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The Nexus #38 - "The Apple" / "The Measure of a Man" (PREVIEW)

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04:15 min | 1 year ago

The Nexus #38 - "The Apple" / "The Measure of a Man" (PREVIEW)

"In what a beautiful place uh-huh this fucking redshirt gets a tense south like Boop boop boop fireballs well spot cookout brow bones bomb okay okay no that's fine European genius you work at the Tsa I'm a starfleet pre check gym bag mixed with like a boom box do we ever see how they like load like spacecraft's because like I looked like he would put that in like all-male too thirty credits okay all right I'll take my shoes off take the laptop out I don't really have money anymore thirty credits look it looks like a gym bag back and this is this is a next gen staple they all have these the the next gen luggage situation is this weird it's like had your own eggs you rotten dinosaur bitch now Jimbo you can't jump on those got spanked shells the jump on the egg captain and on midair I'm going to lift it above my head and throw it back at that Bird Oh mother fuck knock that off of her uh-huh no room for underwear and there that's his yea doesn't sweat it's an extension cord he's definitely jerking off to it let's not even pretend he's not share okay but it's of her fuck king memorial video recently he's into freaky shit the but one of the things you put away is a hollow cube of some kind of a little fucking Tasha Yar these definitely I'm here's the thing she he's sodas data's pack and his little away satisfied fuck man I was getting upset I assume it's so funny pack much because he's fucking toaster if you like we just heard one listen to the full episode Patriot Dot com slash behaved movies for all sorts of exclusive patriotic content. You get a unique rss feed you could put it to any pod catcher podcast APP of your choice be careful with them you gotta Listen Listen Jimbo you got a knock it over and then do your stomp on its belly the stop by the way getting a MasterCard at a funeral okay that's like if you don't know about that he's got a mask and that's your funeral souvenir buddy and be respectful jumped on the God damn back turtle here eight this green mushroom you'll be part of this androids Mukalla jerking off the call hot wiring hotwired myself in the shower this border now empty it was the highlight of the dead you go down to the little that's how you check bags dude you pay thirty dollars and the check the bag through the tube this is ridiculous I'm a Lieutenant Ah with a fishing pole that mall fucking has got a camera to Jim boy not always dangerous he's a weird pervert but also gotta get a super jump to kill the turtles astro imagine up there in the cloud. Jimbo you gotTa Watch out in the cloud and there's it's clearly the part which is like you're the most human of all playback and data you're the most what's that it's the star trek equivalent likes in the chest from a flower that just shoots it out do this is like some Super Mario Brothers Horseshoe with the flower it's like a puppet lower and it like turns.

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Star Trek: The Next Generation | All Good Things

Beam Me Up: A Star Trek Podcast

2:14:40 hr | 2 months ago

Star Trek: The Next Generation | All Good Things

"The final frontier. This is about saving the few humanitarian. This huge victory in graduate commitment to this action is not a motion wild. Come to another episode of be me up a star trek. Podcast i am brent allen your host at i have seen every episode of star trek forty seven times and i met sonnenburg and this is live first time through serious and this is the show where we are on a mission to introduce as many people as we can to the world of star trek get them beamed up into the fandom and boy oh boy what an episode do we have to do that one today but right now we want to get you beamed up onto our website. Beaming pod dot com. Check us out. Let's not think see if we can make any improvements on it but everything should be functioning this week so i'm happy about that well. Today's episode is the series. Finale episodes twenty five twenty six of season. Seven of star trek. The next generation matt has finally come to a close as the episode is entitled all good things or as i like to call it encountered point part to in case. You don't remember. It didn't watch this. When i in this episode we are taking on a journey to explore the mystery of picard past picard present and picard future and how it relates to the annihilation of all mankind and of course q. Is at the center of it all because it's always now matt we got. We're going to get into this episode. We're going to dive deep into it. Okay i'll do my best follow along. You just watch this episode for the very first time in your life. You've never seen it before correct. This one definitely never seen before. I haven't asked you this in a while. So i will ask you but i'm gonna do this at the beginning this time for somebody who's watching on their first run. Does this when you beamed up into the phantom. Are you a fan of this one or are you gonna kind of pooh-poohed you have some of the other marquee episodes we've had over our run here obviously like it's not a bad episode but i mean it's not my favorite. I wasn't like blown away by. Oh you're killing me. Matthew i can. I guess i'm not even trying not even right. You're just it's just who you are. Matt i asked people out on facebook. Today i'm going to. I've never done this on this show before. I asked him today. Where i said you know. We're we're coming up on one of these big marquee shows that everybody just tends to love but i wonder if people out there were member. What their first. Experience was of this episode like where. Where was that so a couple of people. This is over on camp kettleborough. The facebook group for trek geeks. And i just wanna read a couple. I'm not gonna read them all. But i just wanna read a couple of the responses here and i told them all i said i'm gonna use this in the show so be careful so if you responded then thank you for giving me permission to use this show. Rick said that it may sound like hyperbole but it ended so well that it took away from the sting t in g was ending at all which i thought was. You thought that was really. Debbie says that she remembers crying a lot because tng. Angie was over but she really liked how the series was brought. First full circle back too far point and Book ended with that i encounter with q. And we'll talk about that. I promise you promise you but tyler said i was very underwhelmed by it. It felt too small for the grand finale of the series you trailer. There were some good things with it like the final card game. But ultimately i found it to be a big letdown. And then he. He may be a little bit too far. Where i am but i think we're probably in the same boat youtube in the same boat. And then perry says. I clapped exuberantly. Especially after sitting through the episode with cats turning into a guana and grandma. Reliving ghost rapists matt. you didn't episodes. There was an episode. There is an episode. it's season seven. It's called sub rosa by many counts by many people they would say it is the worst episode of tng okay. It's a beverly crusher episode where she goes the like some scottish colony kind of like scottish disneyland or something. I don't really know how to describe it but her grandmother has just died and turns out like there's this ghost hanging around this is sucking the life out of her grandma and now this ghost is like attached itself to beverly. But it's this romantic relationship that they have hot. But it's really this parasitic go sucking energy off. It's weird it's not good. He's weird pay. You know given how you feel about a lot of episodes because everybody else you might love it. So every episode is somebody's favorite. So you know that one might be yours buddy so no. I don't think so. That's why this episode is not your favorite. There is no guidance and there was no wesley. That's why it's not your favorite very true. And i didn't go back and think it all the way through but going into this episode. One of my first thoughts was man. I hope they don't leave anybody out of this episode like anyone major like made like that'd be the weirdest things like we're gonna have the series finale and he's not going to be right or something like that but like they brought back tasha yar. They wouldn't even back. Wesley didn't bring recklessly breath. Guinan even like in three time periods. So it's not like oh he's off something here. You went back in time and too far back in time. But as they showed us from season one reiger you didn't even need to bring them on set out and we'll talk about that when we get to that part of the episode. Hey do you have questions. Well i gotta tell you for me. Personally i'm on the way opposite side of you. I think this is one of the best series finale as i've ever seen out of any television show. I don't know that the this one is not quite like avengers. Endgame series finale. Which i know. That's a movie series on television series but still stay with me on that the way the way they handled avengers endgame was marvelous. Thank you it was. It was great. This one is not quite like that it it. I don't think that they quite as put put as much thought into it. But it bears that with me. That bears up to that for me. Especially when i think about the series finale of so many other really really really really good shows. I think it's hard to do us. A good series finale. That is worthy of the rest of the show. Like in general. I think that's probably pretty hard to do. But i thought these guys did this to me. This one holds up just as much today as it did back then and it gives me all the fields so matt. Let's get into it. Because i want to dive through it and kind of really get your reactions to to different parts of this episode. Well let me what do you think about it. That his little underwhelming to you like what was it. Was there anything you can put your finger on. I think it feels very atypical of a series finale. Wake up a little bit of the differences. Like i have a lot of the series. Finale is that i actually watched are like sitcoms right so like i. My generation is friends and and the office and parks and rec and big bang theory. Big bang theory and like the closest. I could think that. That's like sci fi fantasy that i've watched the entire thing and seeing the series finale and stuff build lost right which was not not a sitcom right. And so this series finale. The bulk of it to me. Unless i'm completely missing something very much feels like another episode of tng. Okay another episode t and g sure and like it doesn't feel like oh do except for the poker game at the end. Didn't feel like hey we're ending let me ask you this d- It's interesting you say that. Because i have. I have to mediate thoughts but am. Let's do this one. I is it possible that it felt that way because this was how they did series fidelis in the ninety s. Like where everything was like like where everything was so episodic because even with like friends and my god especially with lost and even even the other shows that you mentioned those are all shows that that characters grow and evolve and develop over time like like who chandler and monica were at the end of the show. Were not who they were at the beginning of the show. And who dwight's and and jim and pam were as not who they were from the beginning of the show yes whereas with t. and g. like picard was picard was picard kind of all the way through reicher was reicher just with the beard and and he filled out a lot more like these characters. Were like you know what i mean and there is a little bit of growth. There's a little bit of change that happened over the course of the series. But you didn't really have to watch the series to it. The the the the final season especially didn't build towards the series as it does so often with these other episodes. I remember with big bang theory. That's one of the more recent ones in my memory. They built towards that for like a season of at least a full season. You like. They knew they were going there and so they built towards that. They didn't do that here. Like what like when you say ages sort of felt like another episode. I'm kind of like yeah. It kinda was sorta like. I'm kind of wondering if like maybe you you. You didn't see this live correct. That is correct but still you side. Hey do you know when the first time you saw this was at a been two thousand somewhere between two thousand three two thousand five. So yeah so. Let's just say ten years. After it aired yet i i. I'm just trying to put that in perspective with those other shows that we're talking about that are so different changed. They've done series. Finale is now if you were still kind of in that era of old series finale so it just still play it plays a little bit tyrannous culture whereas yeah i. That's not what i'm used to. I think because a lot of series from the eighties and early nineties. I think by the time. I was watching. Tv most of them were not quite as episodic think even like buffy the vampire slayer which started and ended in the nineties yet. I think but it. Very much had a overarching storyline. Anti-india didn't and i so often said deep space nine. I think is really responsible for a heavily responsible for the way we do. Tv today where it's way more serialized than it is episodic and next generation next very much made you can watch episode from season one and then go into episode from season four and have episode from season seven and except for the very obvious costume changes and just individual physical growth over the course of seven years. You wouldn't know the difference. And i think i think you're i think that may be part of it. I wouldn't have thought of that. But i think that may be part of it so i think if this wasn't series finale. Maybe could have been a season finale. But if it wasn't a series. Finale i think i would have had a higher opinion of it slightly. It's a good episode. Yeah it just. Didn't feel like a series finale gotcha gotcha and i think i mean so. I think what i'm hearing is. There's even a little bit of. You're you're looking at this this episodic series finale through the lens of your personal modern more serialized style of watch of what you said. I like i. I can't think of another series finale. I've seen from an episode of tv. Show right like i. i'll have to go ask my dad again. And it's like. What was the series finale of gilligan's island wake or i dream of jeannie. Something like i dunno something from the early days. I me aware of but yeah we're in straight because you you sort of get. This are doing episode after episode efforts. And then you come up to the finale. And you're like okay. Here's the finale. So well let's talk about this a little bit because as you might imagine. Matt's a lot of production notes as far as leading up to this episode of things that we may not cover so i wanna get through some of these. We don't really have any character. Actress spotlights because that would be weird. We've done them all right right we. We've we've done the mall. I will mention called me and by the way. Here's this character. we'd never talked about. Yeah yeah we're not in if they were and you should do. They are because they're not coming back like coal means. Back as o'brien denise crosby is back as tasha yar janis back as q guidance. Missing wesley's missing. Okay i wanna say right off the bat does. This is a huge reason. I hate opening credits. Yeah they are so spoiler. Yeah back in the sixties. Yeah people probably didn't care weren't paying attention watching it. Yeah and i mean up front. And it's like john lancia's q. Like well that tells me a lot about this episode. Like as soon as there's a problem with something and the dive into his go time travel. Oh hi q okay and then right after. That was tasha yar. That's weird but okay. I know to expect her like there's no surprise anymore and like okay fine. It's an actress contract. They want to get that credit that accolade whatever but really guys like. I don't know for me. It takes away a lot out of the episode. There has been there has been. I been on this. This show that we've done matt. Maybe maybe it's on another one. Like i know there are instances where guest stars were like. Don't come in the credits because we want to save the surprise. I don't think we've ever talked about that. There may have been like honestly usually now days. I kind of fast forward through the opening sequence short than like the special guests actors special appearances that rolls over top of the show. And i'm like. They can't miss that. I can't not see right right. I'm with you on that all right well a few things a few things. So this is the first of the star trek series. That knew it was writing it series finale because if you remember the original series they just ended studio pulled the plug on them. No toys rough right so with that. This episode is written by ronald d moore and brannon braga. Those are two names. You should be at least somewhat passing. We familiar with at this point matt. I'm brian rodr shirt brands in season. Four and her name. I wouldn't be able to pull it out though. He came in around season four as an intern and just graduated into being a regular writer on the show. Brennan's going to go on to become a major writer on. Voyager and ronald d moore is going to keep doing some stuff over on deep space nine before he jumps over and does a battle star galactica. Now you know that you know that. This isn't our last next generation story right now. You know that there is at least a handful of movies coming up. I mean prior to doing this podcast. I didn't write original series movies and you have. I know you have talked to that. There are next generation an extra action movies. There are four of them. We will do three of them. Okay but we are going to do them in keeping with air order so so you kinda get that. And there's there's a really special reason for that later and you'll understand. Why when we get their chair but when they went to film this the way it basically worked was they they went in. They filmed this episode. They wrapped production on the series. They gave the cast about a ten daybreak and then they brought them right back to start filming the next the movie the very first movie like it was it was right there. I'm impressed. They had it like greenland already. Yeah there was no doubt about that. That's the way they're gonna which i've seen i've seen shows stargate as one is one of these where they got to the series finale and and basically like they knew they were ending but they weren't done telling their stories yet so they said well we're going to. We're going to do a movie after. The show's done to wrap up all the storylines and so the they knew when they were writing the series finale that that wasn't the last story that they were going to be telling now to hear the actress. Talk about they're like no basically we wrapped production on a. We went home for the weekend and came back on a monday. And so it didn't feel like there was any time lost whatsoever. in fact production on the movie had already begun like the elements that didn't involve the cast. They were already filming those those elements of the of the movie. Well that movie happening. Written by ronald demore and brannon braga and rick berman approached them and said hey. I know you guys just did this movie. But how do you feel about writing the series finale of next generation and they were like surer and there were times. They talk about like how they were. They were having to edit drafts of the movie while they're writing this episode and they kept like getting things mixed up between the two but you know. They said that they wanted to write this one more as a letter to the like a love letter to the fans of next generation and they both said in the commentary for the movie that they actually felt that the script for all good things was better than the movie that they had just written which was interesting. Alex we watch that movie. We're going out no no. We're not skipping our no personal. That doesn't that doesn't really excite me too much. Yeah yeah it's the concept behind. The movie is super bowl. Actually i really like this movie. Fans were like all right usually like when people rank at falls in the middle ish. I like it quite a bit and i. I have a feeling you'll probably dig it quite a bit. But we'll see we'll see you often surprise me on this show now early versions of this episode involved in actual fourth time line. Can you guess what timeline they would have pulled for the fourth time line. Because they wanted they were pulling various points of future present. Present picard season one. They're going to a fourth time. Can you any guesses as to what it might have been a not really off hand. I'm not that good with it. I i will say. I was both surprised and relieved that they stopped at three. Because it's already a lot jumping around like. Oh okay once. I figured it out. Keep past present future. I can keep track that cool but at the same time i expected them to add in another one. At least that's what it felt like where they were going with 'em like there's just going to be so many timelines going on and i'm like a way to be rough but well it would have been from the time when picard was still acute us of board and and it would have been during the attack of the battle of three five wolf three five wolf three five nine and in that particular. Timeline actually seen hugh coming to cards rescue interesting. Yes now and again like they really wanted to highlight some of these moments from cards life and you know they wanted to bring you back on some level to because he was such a momentous part of the show however michael piller put the kabosh on that he's like no no no you need to small it down your guy michael piller. He's like split down. I understood microbe killer knows what he's doing. Yeah you're really knows what he's doing. Now the i wanna talk about pillar and his contribution really to the story. Overall the origin of the story came from a pitch that ronald d moore had made earlier in season. Seven when q going to have gone insane. And the universe was gonna start. Unraveling and michael moore says that. He had this image in his mind of q sitting in the streets of new york. City huddled up. Next to a trash can going. I used to be a superbeing be superbeing. That that was like the image he had in his head. Of what like what sparked that particular episode pillar didn't want to do that story but he did start to think about the idea of what it would be like to have cue comeback for the finale to book into the series since obviously q. As the the guy there at the very beginning right now it was. It was pillar who really when he started started reading the script. He felt that the second hour he thought the first hour great. He felt that the second hour is just sort of wandering around aimlessly and so he was the one who said hey have the three different picard start to work together like work that at at wasn't part of the original script now that was pillar. That was my that was my there is the man. Yeah yeah. That's not just pillar filler. Pillar awesomeness he. He makes her trek work. There's a reason there's a reason he's around. So and john delancey the guy who plays q. When he first heard that next generation was ending in the seventh season he says he got all sentimental and he actually approached rick berman and said hey. I've never asked you for job. But i was there for the beginning. I'd really like to be there for the end. Can you please work in q to this episode and berman looks and said say no more. You're already in it. Whether you like it or not. Now john delancey would go would later. Go on and deny that story and say no. He never did come to that. But apparently there's a recording of him actually saying it for the first time so interesting can't get out of that john. Sorry buddy So yeah you have that with John delancey as we work our way up to this Finale episode Just a little f- why this is the only episode. I'm sorry i with this episode. There are only two characters that appeared in every single episode. Didn't miss a single episode. Which two characters are they. I would have to magin like Maybe not i dunno i. You'll probably get one of them. No problem just curious to who are the two. So i mean the the first one that comes to mind is captain picard. Should be in. Every episode and captain picard is in every episode. Yes okay that is true. The other one i have i mind is reicher But i have a feeling that we've talked about him not being in some episodes. Well i don't know 'cause we. We had the discussion like the first episode. He directed he was like had one scene in so he had. He had the scene where he came in and hit on. Data's daughter robot a commander mask. What's intention like you would think he'd be in the rest of them. But like i could still also. Apa like doctor actually definitely wasn't the dodgers. She was gone for a whole season. That's right we had the doctor. Well my my other thought was troy because she pops up a lot. When i'm like why were you there contract. Yeah so paying her anyway. If i had to give you a single answer. I think i'd probably go with reicher captain and number one be in every episode. Right what if i told you. It was data. I would believe you. Yeah that'd be wrong because you're right. It's actually it was and reicher. They're the only two that appeared in every episode so so good job reasoning that one out speaking of reicher prior to the airing of all good things. Jonathan frakes next generation marathon where the viewers picked their top five episodes. Now i will tell you of these top five episodes. I have them. We have seen them all is say we've seen we've seen them all. Only one of them was an extra viewing. Okay would you care to take a guess. At what the five are. I'm because you probably can't remember the names. Yeah you let me let me say them and then you tell me if you remember what they are sherry in no particular order. The first one was relics. I remember the title. I couldn't tell you what it was about. The one where scotty came out of the transporter get barely remember that early. The next one is the inner light. Remember when picard the old man and has the family and it's all in his mind out learned that go with that one. Okay yeah. I remember that one light yesterday's enterprise that's the one. Where the enterprise in tasha was there you had like the to leeann time. Time travel tasha. Okay okay yeah and then Best of both worlds part one. It's the one big cliffhangers one and then busted both worlds part two. Oh i think it's cheating that they counted those two separate episodes. But you know whatever whatever and then just a little side note. This one isn't really pertains much to this episode. And you couldn't tell it entertainment tonight. If you're familiar with that group. They were actually on set filming. A documentary chronicling. The end of the next generation. Apparently that led to a lot of friction during the final episode particularly between the cast and the and the production crew but most specifically towards patrick stewart. Now if you remember. Patrick stewart just directed the previous episode to this one preemptive strike the one with row where she went off to the key and he figured prominently in that particular episode as well As far as the acting do but then in this episode. he's also filming this episode a double episode where he is in all but three scenes matt card was an every single scene except for three having to play three different versions of himself. I just and he was tired. Apparently he got kinda snippy with people. That wasn't just a just a bit in the end. The episode was yeah that that was him being tired. Just just being tired so are kind of some of the the background. I've got a few other things that happen here. We'll talk about them as we get through but we do have a double episode and we're already thirty minutes into the show. So why don't we kick into it in high gear. What do you say. let's do it all good things. Prologue warf indiana are coming out of the deck after an apparent date like a real date a real date like a real date. There's even a mention of clearing this new relationship with reicher. Which diana balk at. And just as they go to kiss goodnight. A distraught and pajama pajamas. Picard comes rushing in asking for the date. It started eight. Four seven nine eight four seven. I gotcha forty seven. He says he's moving back and forward through time. Dunton done. so yes warf indiana a very unlikely pair. Okay i okay. I if you could see my notes. I'm going back to preemptive strike. I'm going down to the bottom of preemptive strike. Where i say. Hey what's our next episode. Our next episode is all good things on t. and g. in big bold letters do not mention troy and warf talk to me and matt talks about troy and why super unlikely pair. I'm like wait. They're they're actually together like what's going on and then okay then you give me because cards comes in like wait. I moved back and forth through time. And i'm like oh okay. This is just like one possible future. This is actually happening right now. Except matt it was. That was the present times. And this has been a thing that's been developing for like four or five episodes here at the very end of tng. And i didn't want to tell you about it because pretty much everybody's looking at that particular relationship going. Why are you trying to put warf indiana. Together they ran out of ideas tried it. I wanted you to have that same feeling of like what's where does this come from. You see not feeling. Like i didn't. I didn't get it until they're they're about kiss goodnight and like they're having that conversation and like was kind of driving at well. What about reicher. We've probably talked reicher. I'm like like i. I was pretty sure that was on a completely different. Page being oblivious things uh-huh she's like you know all you have to say it was like stimulating as being wharf okay. Like he's just not getting in like then she starts insinuating more and more than like this is a date. This is a date and you want the stars like planning their next date and mike dna. I don't think both understand that you're talking about date selection that i was getting. I'm like okay. No no okay. They are both in this. What are you know So it's good to know that everybody thought it was weird. Yeah and included in that. Was marina serious herself. Take you're paying me but fine. It's still weird. I yeah and not only not only that but also apparently michael dorn like nobody was really happy about this whole war. Deanna thing. Who's idea was it true. Yeah saw people's initial reaction. It's like you're going to write about it some more. Yeah apparently the writers. The writers thought that they had been actually seeding the idea since season five but nobody was like No no and marina artis was always like no no reicher. 'isms ati and that's it and and to to quotes marina serta's Says this. I didn't like the and you're not going to fully understand this. 'cause you didn't see any of the other episodes she's like i didn't like the fact. That warf totally became unclean on like when he was with troy he kind of became a expletive word. That also can mean cat a very we can individual. Yes that we're not going to say on this. But she i mean she was not marinas. Here just did not like this. This whole you know war thing. Yeah anyway don't like i don't like it. Act one card remembers being in another place in time. He says he remembers being in the past. But being in the future but the details are all kind of super fuzzy and then suddenly. He's an old man working in vineyard. Familiar voice jordi comes up recalling the days of old. It's twenty five years in the future. Gone is georgia's visor with nuclear implants. And he's now married to leah. Who's last name by the way. Is brahms matt. You wouldn't know her because we skip to those couple of episodes and he's got three kids and he's not an engineer anymore. He's a novelist. But it seems that george has come to visit because picard has been diagnosed with era modified syndrome whatever that is suddenly picard begins to hallucinate and the next thing he knows he's back in the past on a shuttle with tasha yar headed to his first visit to the seventeen o one d and then suddenly as all the others. He's right back with the anna and her quarters or his quarters. Sorry so two minutes into this episode. My first note. I make in the section just saw a credit for q that solves everything sad. I didn't care what was happening in the episode on like accusing in it or like. It didn't leave me guessing at all like seriously takes out. Yeah anyway that. I wonder if that actually affected your your feelings on the episode. Like if it really hit stay like as a mystery of what was going on and you didn't notice that if if that would have i don't think you would have changed l. Lots okay i mean. Basically what it came down to because it was still good like sci fi episode and it's just when something sci-fi was happening or in particular like i mean they they just right off the bat told us i'm i'm travelling through time like okay q.'s. Probably responsible for that and turns out like that's all he was responsible for like he wasn't actually responsible for the anomaly and stuff we'll get into but yeah it's just like okay that works anyway Part of the reason this episode took me so long to get through. Because i took like way too many notes okay. I should have just sat down and wash this episode and let it go and just get an overall picture knowing that we're going to do is episode very shortly after i watch it so i'll be okay. I can remember most things like that. That's usually why. I take notes because like sometimes it's a couple of days before we actually record the episode. Sure it's like. I need to remember what happened. But here it's there are so many jumps in mike every time we switched. I'm like why i gotta make note of that. So i know which timeline i'm talking about and then that's when i got worried of mike. How many times going to be all man. then once. I figured like. I started in beginning. I was labeling them like vineyard or with geordie or with tasha in stuff like this things that seem to be only part of that timeline and of course that would guy the end. They'll start melting together practically and eventually it's just like oh it can label impasse present and future got that helps out a lot right but still i mean it was way too many notes. The big surprise for me in his opener will go was jordi without the visor. Yeah that's cool isn't it. Yeah did you notice the contact lenses that they had an like. They are still buying accurate. I kept trying to get a look at his is like the did not get as many close up of those is that didn't there was one towards the end of the episode where i got a pretty good look at it. I'm like okay. They did still put something in his eyes. It's not just is right so i. I was appreciative of that. But yeah i mean we. I've seen him without his visor before. But then i think it was typically just like white i the elect the white thing and then they had the bleeding thing on the side of his head. Yep yep yep so. I've seen that before. But like i a double. Take him like wait. Can you actually see or you're just not wearing the visor anymore. Because you're not on. The ship booming decided not to wear it anymore. So it could can i. Can i talk about jordan's wife for a second share. The i gave you both of these as extra viewing episodes which. I know. You didn't go because i know which ones you do and you don't do so. Lebron james was a scientist to. I think she was a designer of the enterprise. I wanna say it was that did that. They got married. They were dating or anything before this episode. So this was a character introduced a long time ago when we're going to say they're married when they came back and he said. How is leah. Everybody went abroad. jobs because here's the thing about it so jordi they're out in space and there's a problem with the enterprise in basically okay. I need to talk to the creator of the enterprise. And he creates the character of -ly brahms so he can interact with her and try to figure out something that's going on infamously bad with women. He winds volley he winds up falling for hollow. Dhec lebron okay. And that doesn't work out because of course it's a holiday character well a season or two later. Guess who actually comes on board. The enterprise is the real life. Leah brahms how they kind of kind of have like a little thing until she finds the hollow dhec version of herself. Oh boy and then she confronts jordy and it's just this big blow up and and all this kind of stuff. And i. I'm not gonna go but that's kind of how they sort of really left to enjoy his churches just notoriously horrible with women. In fact it's one of the. It's one of the things we didn't track through the series. It's almost it's almost comical. When you look at it at just how bad he is but yes so when when they said when he said. How is leah in the idea. And he said she's working at the institute. That's brahms and now the names of the kids. Absolutely nothing okay. I did kind of wonder if that. Yeah yeah at any meaning to anybody. But right kerr made ambassador. Yes yes ambassador. That rank is that above admiral or is it just different. I it's different. That means he's a civilian now. He's not the he's on. The same level as locks on troy was not in this episode. And could have been okay. I heard this is a rumor. I need somebody out there. Who's listening to to go double check this. Because i've never noticed it but i heard this you who also was not in this episode at least according to this source that i've found and i've not been able to prove it one way or the other and i didn't go back and watch the episode just to see who's major garrett as the computer. The computer did not talk in this episode. Interesting and again like i did not have time to go back and re watch this episode just to pay attention to that thing but if somebody out there knows if they can confirm or deny that one way or the other forty please email me. Be me up potted gmail.com. I would love to know orange. Suit me a thing on twitter. Abby pod i would love to know because yeah that's what i was told was that might be right. Yeah i can think of at least the one time i remember someone. Talking to computer was data at his house when he puts a fireplace backup But i'm thinking. I think he just says you know computer or whatever and it just does it. I don't think there was a response. Exactly yeah first lady of star. Trek didn't make the finale anyway interesting. Yeah yeah talk to me about okay. I don't know if you had anything on the robotic syndrome but when you saw the hallucination the shabbily-dressed characters talk to me about that moment. Did you recognize them. Was there any clue. Tip off on that or still the first time i'm kind of. I'm kind of proud of myself. This the first time they appeared on like they seem familiar okay. They don't seem like they're just you know out of nowhere. And i couldn't quite place him the second time they appeared though. I don't know what it was just like okay. There has to be something to him. So i need to figure this out or if it just clicked then or what but the second time on like i think those were the things from the trial that big group of people that we talked about that one. 'cause like i felt it was weird that like i felt. They're almost like jeering him. Like during the word. I want to use a card. Use the word laughing. They're laughing at me. And i can see that. It's kind of similar. But like i went back and placed him at that trial. And i was happy to see that. That's that's where they were coming from. Congratulations now i did. Not i distinctly remember not being able to place that that particular group of people so for me it was only like what two dozen episodes ago. It's true it's true very true. Yeah as maybe more. I don't know how many i think we've done. We've we've watched i. It's it's in the thirties. It's not higher than thirty nine. It's in the thirties. So yeah and then he flashes back and there's all of a sudden tasha yar and we're getting the tour of the ship. Who by the way i probably would not have been able to place if her name was not in the credits really. Okay not not surprising. I think you saw all four episodes tasha total. Yeah i didn't see her life. And i didn't really get attached to her or anything so i didn't either and i'll be real honest i don't like i get it. She was one of the main characters. She was one of the original cast. She had that great role to me in yesterday's enterprise. The whole thing was salo was just dumb and way underutilized. The constant connection to tasha yar and how people keep bringing her back up like i. Just don't i don't. I wasn't that compelling character to me like i think the show got better because she left to be quite frank chair you know and she and she said i think. I said that she had to leave to get one of the best episodes of star trek which became yesterday's enterprise. And she's right about that and i honestly i i love that when they threw a little line in their later when when picard tries to give a security order to war right when tasha sitting across the table and like it didn't even hit me that he messed up. Like i'm being the security got that makes sense right so it didn't even click. That used to be your job. Didn't act to dr. Oh i'm sorry let me well. We'll get their act to doctor. Crusher says picard is perfectly fine. He doesn't even have your monarch syndrome. But a scan reveals that he is possibly maybe in the future susceptible to it. Well whatever's going on with picard. It's just gonna have to wait. There is a plot line to get to. The romulus are up to something in the neutral zone. And the different system and starfleet ascending the enterprise plus a bunch of other ships to go patrol the border and just be a presence but as picard stands up. He's back in the vineyard as an old man. He seems to know that he's bouncing through time but of course he sounds like his old age finally catching up with him. He insists that it's not daydreaming. But old man picard is adamant about going to see data. He has to go see data and what he sees right now. Are those hallucinations again. Sometime later jordy and picard or at cambridge university visiting professor data as data tries to suss out. What's happening. We get a definitive lee. Sherlock holmes vibe to this whole thing and has picard stands up from his cherry. Suddenly back prior back to season one as he's in the process of taking command of the enterprise for the very first time signed by admiral. Norris not car to seeing the hallucinations yet again. Picard sounds a red alert in his first act as captain confusing the hell out of everybody had the time jumps throw everyone for a loop. I i will. I will say though. I love how it was written and directed like the times. They chose to do the things he was saying. And like allowed the other timelines to react to it. He was transported mid-sentence and like wait. What what did you say. Okay sure way. The transitions worked in southway. Cut it together. Yeah beautiful beautiful. Great greatly done episode before they before they did digital editing to cut snipping. Yeah a fleet wide yellow alert. I wanna know how that happens often but often enough to have a protocol for it. So i didn't even know this possible but i suppose yeah when thirty rheinland warbirds are reassigned. A neutral zone. And that's what you do sure so. It's an interesting setup. It did the. I don't know how much like the neutral zone ever really got drilled into my brain. It did a little bit. I know at one point but now having the idea of the dmz And how all that set up like. I feel like i have a much better picture of the neutral zone. Sure as you should. It's a similar idea right. They have a different name for it. Neutral zone or demilitarized zone. Okay sure nobody go in there. You're on one side. Were on the other cool So y- i'd kind of forgotten about the neutral zone. But once again as they do in their episodic ways they give you enough explanation to remind you even if you haven't seen other episode psycho. This is the romulus air on the other side. We're going to go here. Don't enter the zone. You can just don't do anything. Cool right stay up mean. It's well name to joan like it's not like gave some fancy names like we expect you to remember what this means data though. Yeah so it's probably good that you've finally gave me an episode where data had a cat had lots of questions here. Sure like i. I saw them just like pick up one cat but the card was walking around and like there's a cap on the fireplace and there's cat in the chair and there's a cat and wow data. You really liked cats you Does i also greatly appreciated the grey streak in his hair. Gone a little wished. Yeah okay. He doesn't have to. He doesn't have to old but he's a professor now you know. Sure he's got. I mean the godzilla older more distinguished cannon. No one's going to respect a twenty year old professor. It always occurs to me. I wanna think about him particularly and even jordi like georgia's not necessarily at the individual career right like he's not georgia's not of retirement age like picard. Obviously is card retires from cards way past retire. Which timeline are we talking in the old man card like he maybe went and became an admiral at some point in his career. He had several years is that now he retired from that. And now ambassador for the federation. That like i can trace that georgia's nowhere near that. What caused jordi to leave starfleet. And what is he not better served like he's a novelist he has family exactly. I think he's a stay home dead fair enough because he told us. Lee just became the director of the institute. Yeah so like she. She's the breadwinner. She has the job she can do her thing. He says they don't have money in the future. Matt told us ac. Stay at home dad. Although now things are changing because his oldest son is going off starfleet okay and then data at what point does data go. You know what. I've achieved everything i wanted to starfleet. I don't care who could use my help or or where. I'm best suited. I wanna go be a professor. And i obtained the highest professorship. There is in the world. I take up the residence of sir. Isaac newton lake. Where does that become an ambition for an android like yeah. Data should be off on his own ship that he built exploring galaxies that no one has ever seen before he is race of of Artificial people off on that you know that higher level that hughes talking about right. He's he's hanging out with wesley in the ascended plane going this the first artificial intelligence to go q. Yeah k. q. Stop picard go. Find wesley right. he's your man. Yeah the data they did. They ever get together. Who wesleyan q. There's a couple episodes. But i don't know interacting picard. He had. He had one thing where he did. Something with reicher but that was mostly to show up regarded. It was always cuban right. It was always cume car. It really was so. Yeah like knowing where wesley went now or at least you know where he was headed. We'll see him again but like that that is that is if feels like it would be a better relationship for It's like wesley is still human or at least a born of the human race but listen. We had moody wesley. How does that not set up perfectly to be you know jokester q. You know in the future and get. I get did you. Did you like the sherlock holmes ish nature of like i know it's not sherlock holmes. It's he's the cambridge professor but very much goes into sherlock holmes mode. We add because he had to use sure anything. You need to deduce definitely sherlock holmes. Yeah it's the architecture. The time period the data's nature should problem solving and data very much above sherlock holmes. Which you would know that except for the extra viewing so which is over on page around dot com all right one more question about now. We're gonna move unless you have something else. Did you note who signed the order giving picard command of the enterprise. Yeah as you mentioned in that. Not like i recognize the name. I think i remember not liking her. That is true. But i don't remember. Why does an episode that we did call the drumhead where she came on board searching out a traitor and she wound up putting this little kid on trial and when that didn't work out and picard was like no. You're not gonna do this. Based on circumstantial evidence and turning on picard out. Destroy you picard. I made you. And i will destroy you like everybody gets up and leaves and leaves her sitting there in the room by yourself at the end. That was okay so again. They're giving these little nods the lia bombs nora sexy. The bringing back some of these characters that i greatly appreciate. Yeah and we get to see taking command of the enterprise which we never actually got to see in the first one. So what did you think. What did you think of the. They went back to season one uniforms. Did you notice. I didn't necessarily notice on everyone else. I noticed there was a change because troy. Yeah we're like the address again. And i'm like oh man made her wear that again. I'm sure she was thrilled about that. Right the background who also had the dress on no. Yeah so so in the very first show. They had a guy walking across who had the miniskirt on the whole point of that from gene roddenberry back in one thousand nine hundred seven was when we get you this. everything's unisex. There are the whole idea of gender norms and stuff is not a thing that we have to worry about in the future. The problem is is it just was. It looked weird especially in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven and people really cut back at it so you never brought that back for a guy and they didn't do it much with with the past season one at all. I don't even know that she made it all the way through season. One like that so breach bring back scraped past. Yeah yeah so bring. That back became a became a big thing And the other thing too and we can talk about it now. i guess since. We're in this mode. Did you notice the changes. They made to the set of the bridge. When like the lean back chairs for their is back. Yup yeah i did. Notice a few of those wood paneling back in to the bridge gone. I was kinda wondering like do they have that as a separate set still like built or did they have to rebuild basically while they had to retrofit the the The the set that they had the other thing that they did. Actually i thought this was really cool. And if i if i'm misquoting the story and somebody else does like no that's not right then. Forgive me but the way that i understand that michael okuda the art director for star trek He was talking about. How final finally for this episode. They went into the displays on the bridge of the enterprise and they replaced the displays with actual monitors so they could have moving graphics in the seen up to this point what they've ever had was it was a static thing and then they would switch to a close up which they shot like as a b roll type of deal monitor with moving graphics. They've never had they've never had it as part of the wide shot while they finally went replaced. Those and actually put monitor's just for this episode. Although i say just for this episode there's a movie coming up with a really big budget bigger budget anyway. So the you know they did. Replace some of those One of the things they left like warf had his old golden ball drik back. But he had his head he didn't go back to his old mobilised head regions. Okay so there's a few things they laugh. There's a few things they didn't but there's little things like that. That helped me place. Which timeline into christ. Aw war with the gold. I knew timeline. We're and usually. I would look and see. Okay tasha here. Not that would be my cue to see which time line we were in. But i i i did appreciate all those little extra touches that they actually went back to and i kind of wondering and had to be paying. I understand most movies. At least i'm assuming a tv show where at least like this where they would have had so many changes. They don't shoot in order though no like. I'd have to imagine okay today. We're doing all the past sequences so you can stay new uniforms. You can stay. We're going to keep the set same like we're going to sue all those then we're gonna rip everything tear to change the bridge again and move onto the present and then move on to the future and that would be such a pain otherwise can't keep changing that they have time for that act. Three captain picard has decided not to tell this past crew what he's been experiencing he asks miniskirt clad deanna if she since his any powerful alien beings with super intelligence not yet they'll keep looking though just then not yet chief. O'brien calls card to the bridge. It seems the romulus are up to something in the neutral zone. And the dev ron system. That sounds familiar. No time to think about that just now to find new orders. The enterprise is going to continue on. Its way too far point station just like in the pilot episode because picard is up to something some well-placed nods to future knowledge of how o'brien is going to turn out and how he's going to become the chief no all sorts of stuff and there's a role nostalgic moment from data where he doesn't understand idioms and the card is finally back in the present but now with a lot more memories a lot more memories so i know you kinda complained. Well maybe not you specifically but it may have been some complaints about like how much picard was in his episode and stuff. But i don't think any other character coulda pulled this off. No he's the series lead. That's him it's got to be him because especially when we get to this point where he's it like he has to very carefully tiptoe around. Okay what information that i shared with. Who how do i be these people to become the people that they're going to be without giving them too much information Without because he he made a whole point of yeah. I can't tell the people in the past what happens in the future. I don't want to change anything so it's like how does he tell them like. I know you can do this. How do you know. I've seen you before i. It doesn't make sense. You can't tell them that right so he has to give this very eloquent speech about how he believes in him and how he doesn't come to later save that that doesn't come to later. I wanna talk about that. When we get the fisher. Okay yeah it's just very picard episode. Like no one else could do this. Yeah but i will say. I was surprised that with the old crew. He just like no ignore that order. We're going point like at that point. It didn't quite click what he had in mind. Let's go q. As in the episode. Well i didn't remember accused part of his point man. Sure although when. I promise you when you go back and rewatch far point station and you have this in your head and then you watch this having those those couple of experiences. This out rewatch a lot. I'm pretty sure. We've talked about far point enough that i would remember. If you say. Far point i would say first episode. Sure if you said far point. I would not say q. If you said when is the first time we met you say like three or six episodes in like it was early but i didn't think it was first episode. Yeah so yeah i. I wasn't connected with far point fair enough. We'll act four quizzing. The anna the team ascertains that whatever is happening with these time shifts the events in one time period seemed to be having no real effect on the other to the only common thread. Is this mention of this anomaly. Over in the different system. Well there's no telling what all that means right now. They've got a job to do. In the present with an awkward moment between reicher diana and wharf everyone has back to work and will is definitely definitely distracted speaking of awkward moments. There's one between gianluca in beverly until it's not so awkward anymore and it ends a nice little romantic kiss and promise that a lot can happen in twenty five years and with that old man picard is waking up on the couch. data's cambridge study insisting that they have to head to the dev ron system and the romulo neutral zone or at least in what used to be the neutral zone it's now controlled by the klingons. And that's difficult in this time period. They place a call to admiral. Reicher at star base two four seven for seven forty seven but after all. They've been through after all they've been through together. Admiral reicher says no no way jose. No matter data says that they can use a medical ship. That's a good thing that picard just happens to have some quote unquote pull with the captain of the uss pasteur. Its captain doctor. Beverly crusher card. That's right picard. Another awkward moment between. John lukin beverly and they're on their way they're going to need help to get clearance to enter into king klingon space and after beverly orders picard to get some rest card excuses himself to get some rest exiting the turbo lift and it's past picard again. Regard is looking for something at a specific set of coordinates. He's looking for q where they met him. All the way back in episode one but q. Isn't there where he should be while everyone puzzles over. What a q. Is picard heads for the ready room. And he winds up back in the courtroom from episode one with all those shabbily dressed hallucinations. Future picard has been seeing and judge q. There's a lot to happen in that in that. A some of these actor forever long and some of them were short. Yeah yeah totally balanced it. I guess so the beginning of this when they go into how nothing seems to be affecting the other timelines I was super surprised by that. Like that is not normal for time. Travel vani type like any time travel. I see at least seems to affect a little bit right I couldn't at least offhand. Think of another time trail aids time time travel where going back and change. Something in the past doesn't affect the future or something like that and so this really threw me for a loop. Then you got to card and crusher. Is this their first kiss. I think it might be the first one that i've seen that i can remember. This might be the first like truly romantic kiss k. If you'll remember in the episode we did attached. Which by the way. I i knew exactly what was coming and i don't think you would have been able to appreciate any of this without the movie without the episode attached. But there's other things in attached besides picard and beverly They had a pretty good kiss at the end of that that episode but that was during the. Let's just be friends speech. Okay so fair. Enough fair no. It felt from camera angles and stuff. And how long they took to do it like if felt like they were making a big deal out of it and so that's why i questioned it. Sure they ever since that episode. Attached i don't they and they were like let's just be friends at the end as i know you're not going to just be friends. It's impossible from this point forward. Sorry and by the way. I think when they when they talk again i go back to. They talk about that. That love letter to the fans like as a fan of the series. These are the little things like. I want to see john. Lucan beverly together after everything that i've seen over the last seven seasons i want them actually together. Sure and fast forward a minute. The fact that they made them divorced. Ronald says he wants. But it didn't work out in raleigh moore. Says he loved the fact that they they actually got married but then got divorced. Because it didn't work out he loved it and i like that's just sadistic it really is like i get it. I you know they did what they did with it. It's fine at least they got together at some point in the future. And i'm okay him isn't that i tried to compare this before i don't remember. It was the same relationship or not. But that's rawson rachel right right like get your get together. Get together get to that. They're they're not They're a break anyway. Best laid plans dan. Sorry sorry matt. We know that we can get out of here without our harry potter reference. It's ron in her money. I think it'd probably affects more. And more closely to ron her. Mind than it is. Ross and rachel 'cause raanan her money as the okay no they're totally a thing like they totally like each other. They're just not admitting they can't say it. They're not let like from book four on ron. And ron and her miami like but they get together yeah and sure they wound up staying together later. But you know even. Jk is like yeah. They probably shouldn't have gotten together. They probably divorced But that hasn't been written anywhere. Yeah i just say. I think this like the card beverly relationship is more like books six in her. Mind to me okay to me. It's like they're together. Maybe not officially like we all know they are but they're not saying but we know that they are. Okay i says me way. Better than wharf indiana. I think anything is gonna be better than that. Oh boy okay. Anyway admiral reicher. Yeah worst makeup job with whole whole deal. Thank you yes. Thank you like super impressed. How they age some people. Beverly looked great everley amazing. I thought i didn't make note of it but in my head i'm like that is the best aging i have seen like part of me kind of wonder is like did they just not put as much makeup honor and that's how old she really is. The only thing i can tell. I watched the makeup special effects like what they put reicher through what they put frakes through to age them up like i think they did a good job for what their what their capabilities were back in. One thousand nine hundred four okay but you know how whenever you kind of age somebody in makeup. It always looks like a person who is aged and makeup. Not actually old through the deanne on the all they did was. They gave her a neck appliance. Something to kind of make her. Yeah and then and then like they did some like. I tried to make her Like they put like glue on her is to like highlight the crows feet which they also did that to card and then picard had the beard so that covered up everything else. Great majority just put some gray flexing their. We already talked about data. He doesn't aged all warf kinda got old that he was just surly warf as he always says. I mean they came david gray hair too but yeah but yeah. He's not gonna age. So yeah i tell you what. Data doesn't age but brent spiner sure does breaker though like got so much worse every time they gave him like a close up when he got like a close up of his beard area Like i don't know exactly what it was but it made me think of like have you ever played dnd. No we've had this conversation. Okay i pretty sure. But i just in dolecek so like for anybody out there. Who who has played dvd the up on rikers face is my idea of what a bugbear looks like. I know that doesn't mean anything to you brent. But that's what. I pictured just this draft briefly haired like that's what i mean. That's what i have in my head. He looks like a creature that should live in forest. Not the admiral starfleet. I'll give you one one note that i had i. I was watching like watch the special features on the blu ray for which i. I'd highly recommend that anybody there was really great looking at the footage the low rez footage like from the home video camera that they had like in the makeup trailer and stuff like that. Yeah actually looked a ton better. And i really wonder if one of the things that we're seeing is is. This was makeup. That was meant for standard def. I it's all been upgraded to high def. I remember hearing that when like all. The news stations went to high def. And it's like. Yeah the makeup. We use doesn't work anymore like the every across the board. Everybody had to get different makeup because the shows so differently. I would believe you when you say that. The biggest thought that i have when it comes to that just because i remember seeing that that low that that that such low rez footage of like. Oh that looks like an old man. Just yeah. I really wonder if if that like i remember one of the things they talked about. How when they went from standard def to if they actually had like where they put the panels into the consoles and stuff around the bridge. They actually you could see the screw holes okay but in standard death. You couldn't does. We're just sort of washed out. But when they upgraded everything to high def they had to go in and digitally fill in over top of the screw holes because you could suddenly see them now that they were in high def so i like the idea that that probably one thousand nine hundred. That looked up mazing on our. Tv's today maybe not. That's not too far out order for me. It's it's not great standards today. I've had the same wondering about the movie dinosaur. I know i've discussed this with our buddies over on the castle. Podcast or go through the old disney vault by the way if if anyone's at disney fan at all castle vol is your podcast. You need to go check it out if you like disney movies like the stuff but and jason and you guys will never hear this listener show Dinosaur like i was made like early two thousands but it like all digital. They're trying to transition over to cgi. And we all watch now and we're like wow that that's rough But then when jason told me he was able to watch it on vhs like oh. I didn't realize they're still doing that. And i bet you on vhs on a crt screen yeah like a probably looked pretty good. Yeah but now once again in high def. It's like to not hold up. I think that's the same thing. We're probably seeing here that now that you bring that up. That's probably very good point. And i will cut them some slack because they can we give him a pass on that and i wonder what would have looked like if they had eight trump. Of course she was dead in the future. But you know. I wonder how she would have. Houses priced because tasha. They had to do the opposite effect with her. They had to try to make her look younger because she's now seven years older as a human being right and bring her back Interesting and she's in. You know. I i'm not trying to say anything negative but like frakes and like so many of the other characters. She's a lot more filled out seven years later than she was so nowadays with all the digital stuff they can do. They have that fixed jiffy. They don't even need her to come back. They'll just put a dummy in there and weekend at bernie's it so but no i brought up reicher for another reason because i thought this interaction with him and i think it was probably just seeing how it turned out. I think it was just well written. Well acted sure but his dismissal of the card just seemed so abrupt a mike. Are you hiding something are you. What's going on over there that you just like you want to get rid of picard and it just felt off i. I've always had a problem. And i've never had a problem until now but i've always had a problem when reicher just goes reicher outs or starfleet out or whatever and he just cuts the call. You like dude. That's your guy like that's your friend. That's like that that fell to me. It's like i'm surprised picard. To react and say oh if he ever says reich route abruptly that's my cue like he's in trouble. We need to go find her and that help him like i. I mean that's what it felt like right. Yeah that's code word. Like hey i mean yeah it felt very much like something was off i will i will say this to you if i ever go mulberry out. That's a code. Please come help me all right. You're being held at gunpoint. That is a phrase. I will never use every yup all right so i. I was questioning that. I m glad it came back later. that warf brought up again and say That's weird but anyway. I love the data's i touched on this earlier. That data's fireplaces a hologram disguising computer console of course data. You still need your electron ix. But you're gonna make your your house occur sophisticated makes you wonder how much of the other stuff living there was. Holograms to What what does that really look. Like is interest holland deck. Or you know i don't. I don't think that's any different than people who have. Tv that turns into a picture on the wall. Or like their fireplaces yeah. I don't know anyone who does back to the future to matt. Come on man. i don't. I've never seen that. Yeah i i don't know. In what case they would need the fill the need to go in and replace a real existing fireplace with a hollow console. Like i can see them like. Hey we need to like like when they need to add in modern plumbing or add in like electricity to an existing historic house They have to kind of be careful how they go in and and run stuff around so they to maintain this historic feel of this room. So they're gonna make it look like hologram when it's not being used as but they actually for modern stuff but i don't know that i would make it the fireplace. Though was my thought is pulling data. Doesn't need the heat from the fireplace. Who cares i. I would expect it more along the lines of they upgraded this house over the years but when data became professor. He's like no. I don't want that showing. I'm sophisticated. I'm gonna make it look like the original. And so he he program the hologram to do his thing. That's how i would go about it. I think but then like you said we found out the card and crusher were married at one point we get the quick. Rundown of warf at one point was on the klingon high council. Dopey still is. He's a governor somewhere like they've all moved on right yep doctor. Crusher has her own ship All of these things like she's the captain of the ship and one of the things. I think you briefly saw but you didn't see it in as much detail as they had. If you've watched all of the episodes of you know. Beverly was was a commander on the ship. Like sheet. ci took control of the shit like she ran night shift a lot of the time. Just keep her captaining ability there. So yeah i gotta tell you. Probably my favorite interaction of the whole now. my favorite. my favorite comedic part of the entire show is where beverly's like john luke. You need to go get some rest. And he goes. I will not be pandered to die. I'm going to get some rest. Yeah that's old man card to but it was so funny she has so many old man moments in your anything from get off my lawn to. I think he says i'm not an invalid at least two or three times right like such old men moments. Liangelo don't treat we treat me like old. What's the what's the quickest way to know somebody who's crazy. They insist that they're not crazy. Fair enough then we finally get the moment where picard calls for q. right and finally all clicks. It's like oh okay. Got it our point q. That's chair so card with onto this long before i was and now q. appears all laughing people which i had figured out. It's judge q. Judge you immediately recognized that the right girl who we're back in the courtroom now i remember you recognize that right. Yeah okay. I specifically wrote down. Because he doesn't say until after the break he says i'm judged you yeah So before that. I actually wrote down. The card is back on trial with q k and later you found out. He's not back on trial. The never ended with that act five seven years ago q. Accused of being dangerous part of a dangerous child savage race cupet all of mankind on trial back then but it turns out. The trial has never ended in their found guilty of being inferior. He says that they've squandered. The last seven years of potential for growth in the sentence is to be denied existence. You confirms that it is he himself. Who is shifting card through time and it has definitely something to do with this anomaly in the system but q says he didn't do it nor is he the one who can who is going to cause the annihilation of mankind but rather it is card himself. Who does it court adjourned. I'm honestly surprised. You didn't bring up the best line which was a guest groner. The biggest dajo go. Because i was saving it for you. I knew you would. It's time to put an end to your truck stars. There's there's an even worse when coming up in one of these movies bad it's bad and you're gonna love it. Yeah okay yeah. Yeah you know when they're writing that spot. They're cackling themselves that they put that in there and somebody's going no don't put it in. Yes do it. it's awesome. No don't it's so bad. I like i know it is but it's great so we're gonna leave it in birmingham was like leave it in like i could see like my capella saying guys. Don't do it don't you guys. I'll let you have this one. You follow everything else. I told y'all one nine right. I like how q. Toys with card and say okay fine. I'll answer ten. Yes or no questions are so good. Yes yeah and he's going through and he gets one two three four and if felt very much like the genie in aladdin. Yeah and it's like that's that was six no five. No you just ask two questions Just because you put them in one sentenced to separate questions you are down by what rights and then i was kind of disappointed in picard enough following through on the rules. I'm like he didn't keep his composure. Like to picard. If anyone can do this you can do this. I wouldn't expect from anybody else in the crew like everybody else get fed up too fast. He'd he wouldn't put up with cues antics but you can put up with them. Get your ten questions and as soon as why am a card. No no you just broke the rules of the game and sure enough cues like out. You failed no more questions but also their way of saying well. We answered the questions. We wanted to answer. So you're done actually giving you ten questions here we go. You are the cause of the annihilation of man. Go figure it out your to be denied existence. I had that power figuring out before picard. I'm like yeah like he. He didn't just mean yeah. You're not travelling through space. no he. He means you're done. He means you're gone like denied existence. Yes did you. Did you realize he was saying he's not he's not gonna kill you. Oh yeah like like no no no. This is from starting because not that savage. Like we've we. I think we've discussed. We saw that one episode. Maybe it was the extra viewing. I don't remember. But where was the other queue or second cure another cue and we will. I think they had killed somebody or had a history of death somewhere. Maybe am i remembering things completely wrong. I wanted to say there is death involved somewhere like it was very anti q. Okay it's like. Yeah that's not what we do. That's not how we play Anyway like when picard insinuating. You're gonna kill us. No no. he's not gonna kill you. it's now. He works lack six present. Day picard and senior staffer in the conference room trying to figure out what to do. Next since they don't know if it's something that does or doesn't do that. Annihilates all of mankind. They agree that they're just going to proceed. As normal at the same time picard wonders. If cues time shifting is actually an attempt to help picard save humanity. They'll think more on that later but right now. They've arrived at the neutral zone. And the romulus have a whole mess of warbirds already there. As picard hails the lead rimington vessel. We jump ahead to the future to find governor warf onscreen denying the past stores requests clearance but with one mention of honour warf acquiesces but only on the condition that he gets to come with them and then we flashback to season one card ordering a change of course to the different system. Choi would like a word with card. It would help if you weren't so captain jellicoe wish bacar says tough. Nagy's he has a short combo with a beardless. Reicher over the monitor and finds out that the replicator doesn't know how to make his favourite t. Which then cues another time jump back to the present where picard is staring down. The romulo commander toma lock. We haven't seen for a few seasons. They agree to send in one ship. Each to the neutral zone to scan the anomaly. It's pretty large at this point. But back in the past they have also arrived and the anomaly is even bigger there but in the future having arrived at the same spot. Zip zilch zero. Not a part of me wanted to say okay. It's not there in the future all good to go. It's no big deal. It's gone like once they find. Explain them like okay. Fine i get it but it. It felt so backwards. I mean that was kind of the point of this episode but it just felt so backwards that okay in the farthest most future timeline. Everything's okay what are you worried about. so yeah it's weird but i guess the the top process should have been well. That wasn't there the first time we went through this time. Line so talking with warf- this is when i referenced earlier like we find out he's no longer member high council and he is super confused as to why reicher help wake. I appreciate it throwing this in there because my cat. I thought that was weird to men thing. What's going on. You think it's odd to. It's not just me so that that that was a good Good car there but the wind before that if only you had a ship with a cloak ab like hey i know. Your ships can cloak but That should sound off to you. Shouldn't it matt. Yeah inch doesn't do. That doesn't do that. Well that may change. Well i mean there's a thing and i think that's the implication. There is twenty five years into the future. The treaty of outdraw no longer exist by the way the treat of algernon was was actually with romulus and the romulus empire obviously doesn't exist anymore. So maybe trees klingons took him over so that treaty doesn't exist anymore. I guess it's only twenty five years in the future but you make a good point that you have to turn around to enforce it then. Yeah yeah what are they gonna do. Make a deal with king. Louis head do what you want. We're super dead so changed technology. We're yes let's talk about that. I'm so glad you picked up on that. Yeah they used it a few times. And i caught it the first time. And i'm like no no you. You've told me you can't go past ten. And they usually go to nine and a half right like like i. It's always like warp nine and a half nine point six okay. You're not gonna push ten. Got it right well. They can't push ten. Because on the warp scale. Now remember the the word scale is is not linear right like the difference too is not anywhere near the difference between like warp nine point nine point five like that's a that's a much bigger difference. That's why they bothered going from nine point five to nine point six different. That's a huge difference. That's right and if you ever hit warp ten supposedly you're going to be like everywhere in the universe at once like it like it's a theoretical infinity like a radical number. Yeah you can't do it. There's an sm tote brags so the thing for that and this is actually fairly well accepted. Is that sometime in the future. The warp scale changed now that they ever actually broke the warp ten barrier but that somewhere in the future of the warp scale changed now at. It made it better right now. Would you like to know like the real world answer. Let's eddie idea that you couldn't actually get to warp ten as a as a thing and what would happen if you did. Ten wasn't established. Well after this episode was actually something established i think in voyager and heard that they went to nine point five nine play i absolutely. They went to nine point six. They i mean they talk about their work ten barrier. But it's kind of like the sound barrier like you could be like you just got to go over but later they talk about like what happens if you actually get there okay. His you'd be everywhere at once. Okay well it's a f- you see that's that's a theoretical idea you can. It's like you can't you can't divide a divide a number by zero because then it will explode and you can't explode like you just so yes square square root of negative one right. Can you just can't do it. So that's the that's the explanation. There is They just changed. The they just changed the the warp scale probably to account for those even more micro things between war six point seven work point eight nine point nine and give you a little more flexibility in there. Maybe they made it linear. Then i know you wanna talk about no beard. Raker nobod reicher. Yeah so that's shot of reicher was actually Look they knew all they want with makeup but there is no way no way you can have. Jonathan frakes shave that beard and still come anywhere close to approximating season. Reicher share it. Just add right reicher. So he's so much more full not nineteen ninety-four chur rights right. He's he's so much more full as a human being you know It was honestly shocked when when that popped up on the screen like. Wow yeah. he's changed. Yeah so if you notice like when he when he got up on the screen he didn't actually say anything. Did you notice that. I did so they were you know. Obviously they were able to to eighty are whatever dialogue. They needed him to say but the shot was actually reused footage from episode. We skipped called arsenal freedom. Sure so and apparently in that particular shot there was a guy walking behind him and they digitally added that out when they did hd upgrade. But like you can in the original run. You could see like the dude walking behind him and go. Hey that's the shot that they used over there So yeah yeah anyway. So yes that actually that was not really reicher or it was just not not current. Not shot for this particular thousand actually passed reicher. Exactly which by the way. I've never noted it. It's it's in the notes in other places like they will often reuse a shot like. Oh this shot of the enterprise flying by this planet we've seen before in fifteen other places or oh that shot of that ship was actually this other shot that we had over there. They just reused. Why wouldn't you cheaper. Sure and gavin. You never know. Nobody's gonna know until they put it out on wikipedia or something it's a we internet rights rights. We had the rest of this was. Let's move the plot forward. I gotta i gotta talk about the captain jellicoe reference. Okay do you remember captain jellicoe. Yes yes i do. I wouldn't have picked up on it and and made that comparison. But when you did mike okay fine. That's that's a fair comparison comparing card jellicoe. No you shouldn't but he's acting very jellicoe. Wish i understood the comparison and just for people out there who may not in case. You didn't didn't go back one of the things we talked about with. Captain jellicoe bay backing naps. Ode called picard gets taken as a captive that was not the name of the episode episode. What was the name of the episode chain of command chain of command wanting to a new. Captain comes on board the enterprise and he's basically just making all these orders changing everything and they're like. Hey so you don't really know anybody and they don't know you and you might wanna take some time to get to know them and he's like screw that everybody do my orders. I don't have time to fool around with you. That's kind of what cards doing your. I understand but picard is doing it for a different reason. It doesn't matter from from the viewpoint of the people. It's the same now what i love. And this is a little fast forwarding when we get all the way to the end when picard finally does stop and make that speech at the end. That's what jellicoe should have done is had and we talked about that back in our episode. Like all you need to do is to look at everybody and go. Hey i know you don't know me. We got a lot going on here. I'm going to ask you just to trust me anyway. Because i know what i'm doing and i really really need you guys on board with me. You know yeah. Yeah got their jellicoe. Never dr card was adjusting like he knew from the beginning of that time. Line like we got that that personal that he secured that log. And it's like i'm not. I can't tell them about future. Yeah i can't like. I can't risk that. So he didn't and he held very strictly to that in the beginning and that absolutely went along he grew and he he realized. Okay i can. I can tell you this. I can tell you like i can assure you that you will be able to do these things because i knew i know i've seen you do them without actually telling you that i've seen you do them. So yeah i mean the the the end of this episode just gets more and more convoluted as he keeps jumping. Timelines beautiful gets so quick like yeah we. There is one point. I think within ten seconds we make three jumps. Sure sure thank you. And it's it's just tying everything together and saying. Hey yeah we we. We did what we need to do. Can you imagine being culex sitting there like watching it going okay. He got needs aren't moving. Needs move him already moving. I kind of wondered about that. It's like we is picard gaining control of when he moves his cue really just sitting there playing with him. And it's like. I want to have that conversation about cuba. Not until we get to the end of the episode. Because there's a there's a a really. Actually i think a fair conversation. We have to have about q. Here for now acts seven still in the future. They can't find anything wrong at all in the different system and they can't stay long the klingons coming. Data's going to try an inverse tacky on beam while beverley makes plans picard overstepped his bounds on the bridge and gets an earful of from beverly picard apologizes. And the reminds us. I mean beverly that. This is about the entirety of the human race. Beverly understands but she also tells picard that he has advanced aromatic syndrome and this could be all in his mind. She'll give it six hours more but not a second longer as she exits appears teasing picard about his age. All funny business aside q. Reminds picard that he isn't alone. Here comes michael piller and what you were and what you will become are always with you. A card understands us to mean. Has time shifting will help him figure all this out. A time flashback to the president and data is scanning the anomaly picard suggests using an inverse tack on beam just like professor data suggested and they make it happen but shortly after being jordi gets a big old headache and sick bay it examination reveals that geordies natural is are beginning to heal themselves. Data thinks he knows what's going on. This anomaly isn't eruption of anti time which can work like anti matter and matter and just go boom when it contacts regular time a time. Shift to the past and bacardi tells pass data to the inverse tacky on thing and figure out why this rupture occurred in the first place. And for heaven's sakes why is it bigger in the past. Another time shifted ambassador card. That's the old guy is back on the past store which is in the middle of being attacked by the klingons. I loved. Beverly puts her foot down. Sure if i know. I'm in charge here man. I don't like that the future folks keep trying to write off card and say no. It's just all in your head but wouldn't you put yourself in their position wouldn't you but he's told them i with you it. It's tough. I guess they have one of the toughest positions the present time line i think is in the easiest position. Okay because he can tell them everything. Okay eventually things like they can. Scan like yeah. They found that he might developed syndrome. But he doesn't have it yet so they don't think he's crazy but like i get it in the past time he just can't tell them anything her refuses to tell them anything so that's the problem their future like he can. He still tells them what's going on but nobody believes them. And i think that's where it's frustrating that these timelines aren't tied together right. Where if he had told them that in the past or present time line when he goes to the future time line. They should remember what he told them. In the in the present time line and so that would have made everything so much easier. It's like oh. Yeah i remember that right and they would know. He's not crazy. But gal i i get where they're doubting him but it's also picard and i mean but that's what beverly says like if it was anyone else but you. We wouldn't even be having this conversation winning beer. Yeah wouldn't be there. Thank you appears for his pep talk which seemed a little out of place like i made more sense. You say q. Appeared to make fun of his age. Like that sounds more like you. My notes say cures for pep talk right because he. I mean he did that. That's what turned out to be like cards getting a little disappointed in you know everybody's nobody's believing him and it's like dude you're on the right path keep it up right. Here's a hint. Yeah i i love that. Don't forget what you were and what you will become are always with you now. I don't. I don't know if i believe that today but that sounds like a like i want to. I actually want to believe that right now. Like like there's this weird unified thing of me where You know. At least in the past. Like who i've that's always still with me whether i like it or not like it. It's that it's made me who i've become and that maybe somehow like what i will still yet to be commas. Still help like there's this weird i like. I don't know like i just. I love that idea. Obviously this had very specific meanings for this episode in what he was trying to get prepared to believe but for as much as star trek can be about like messages. Like that's a cool message. I kind of want to believe in you. Know will and i think that goes along the lines of way earlier in the episode. It was actually picard talking. I think it was when he's talking to beverly in the ready room and they're talking about like twenty five years from now and he's like i prefer to look at future. Something that is not written in stone. Am i thought that was a huge move to sure where it like mentally. It's like yeah you've seen the future but it doesn't need to be that way And by the end of all this. That's kind of where everybody is. It's like yeah future is in our future so anyway i appreciate how much picard starts using information from one time line to help other timelines like i said that the way they jump through this and and speed up the process. It's like i. it was very well. Done the got the point across at. That's what he was doing but they didn't spend a lotta time doing it right right right and then they get into a bunch of gobbledygook about anti time and time and and okay if you say so. I've never looked into much into anti-matter sure so when they made the comparison anti time. It's like antimatter and matter. If you say so. I feel like that's a. That's one hundred percents. Something okay like we need something that's gonna make it go backwards in time like this was an invention to help what they're doing in the plot like this is not a real thing all right anti time. I've never heard of episode rights right. But it's like anti-battery a collides with time and everything goes boom. Okay sure sure will add to bed. That's not just affecting humanity. That's going to affect every humanoid and other lifeforms out there in the galaxy but okay. it's not just humanity. another i will. I will say. I will say this kind of just because i'm looking at my notes. You're talking about you. Don't like how they're they're kind of just going on like hey picard. You're going a little crazy here. Your little nutsy. I really appreciate the acting job from from patrick. Stewart here where he's acting like he's old man going crazy. Yeah you know what i mean like. He's selling like we know. He's not patrick. Stewart once again. I mean he's had many episodes like before he he. He plays out of his normal standard picard character. It's like something is happening to you. You need to act this. And he does by patrick. Stewart is an amazing actor so good. He said he shows it off again to. Yeah yeah yeah. I mean i think all of these star trek actors but i and my personal opinion of all the actors on this show. The two best are patrick. Stewart and brent spiner brent spiner just say data. And i'm like yeah like that. I'm taking nothing away from frakes or marina or shorting lavar or gates or a missing michael doran. I'm not taking anything away from those guys. But what we what we what they put brent spiner through with the multiple roles he had to play with lauren his father and the the a some other things they did where data of takes multiple personalities and in various places And then obviously what we've seen picard do like just the acting chops that those guys have were data's the normal character of data is like anti human and yet oddly human character on the show. But it's not just like another race where you know you can just make some tweaks to your character in okay where it's like. No you have to pretend you're not a human but you want to be human and good luck. Watch pinocchio go for then said. They're under attack from the klingons now because they spent too much time in the neutral zone. Geordies is going back to normal and all that why honestly i thought that that was gonna play into the future jordi that we could maybe still does completely reverse accept what happens in one time. Line doesn't affect the other timelines. That's true you know. I deny click. Yeah they made a point of that. Yeah so yeah that that wouldn't make sense and they did the whole like look. The future is not set in stone. Anything could still happen. Which basically is the. Hey a future writers want to do something different they can you know and also the hope of a be your future today or whatever but yeah anyway activate. The past store is trapped. They've lost their shields. And they can't go to warp boom boom boom out of nowhere. A tricked out enterprise de cloaks what and make short work of the klingon ships. But it's too late for the past or the warp core is about to breach reicher. Beams went over to a ship. Just as they make their getaway. But not before wharf in reicher get all snippy with each other reicher orders a retreat into federation space but picard pleads with him to stay and save humanity will save humanity. But that's when he takes hypo spray to the neck and we get another time shift to the present. Temporal anomalies all are causing more than just geordies is to revert to their earlier form. If this keeps up it might kill everyone. And that's it picard. Wants this anomaly collapsed. That's when q turns up in whisks picard away to france three point five billion years ago. This is the moment. When some amino acids are about to combine the primordial ooze to form the first protein. But that anomaly is here too and it's really big so big in fact. it's filling the entire quadrant. But this anomaly is going to prevent these amino acids from combining and therefore destructing the beginnings of life on earth and therefore wiping out all of humanity causing it to have never existed in the first place at something that picard did to start all of this and q another time shift to season one getting into our action sequences here. Yeah yeah bring it all back. Background so yeah. Hey by the way this scene right here was the very last thing they shot with q with. Yeah this one with picard. Who was the very last thing they shot. Okay just trivia. They didn't have anybody else that was just regarding and john. Delancey patrick shirt on the didn't need anybody else. So a lot of action stuff. The big the big. Reveal the enterprise cloaks. Yeah with a third sell. Yeah like what is going on here like you. You finally explained it to me like it makes sense. Okay i get it. I my star. Trek lore is not up to par Man that that changes things because of all things like like they made a point. It's still the enterprise the enterprise d cloaked mike. Oh okay but i did appreciate like i still quite a understand. Why reicher was so dismissive just to move story long so they will go to war and keep keep collecting the crew. I guess maybe i could get back onto the enterprise. I think the short answer to that is yes like the real world answer but the universe answer i think is whatever happened between warf indiana and reicher that like hurt his relationship with everyone else now. It shouldn't have but it did like it just made reicher a bitter role and actually not reicher picard. Like anyone would hold together. I think it'd be those sure. But if if rikers becomes this bitter old man he just sort of like picard like he's just pissed off about that other thing i love him. He's still my guy he's just a little busy these days like i feel like that's probably the limit of where that that idea is coming from. 'cause i mean he's still shows up like that's the thing it's like basis i want nothing to do with you and then still shows up to save him because like i knew you weren't gonna listen to me. Sure so right here coming back doing his thing number one admiral number one. He refitted the The enterprise the got to save it. Out of mothballs for him. You got to choose your ship as an admiral. So it wasn't until the scene. Where like if finally click like what was going on with this anomaly thing and why it was such a big deal and that's why they have this here but like the whole time. I like i said before mike okay. It was bigger in the past the point. It's bigger in the past. I'm like okay this bigger and got smaller and it got smaller and in the future. It's gone cares. it's gone problem solved. It's gone until like it just didn't click lake what they were doing and i no. It's getting worse and worse in the past which is going to affect the future just hasn't yet sure and like that. That's a weird bit of i. Guess in a sense time travel like weird time thing that i haven't necessarily seen or dealt with or at least not to that extent what. You've never the anti time before matt gap. That's why so weird quiet so hard to get my head around. It was different than anything else that so like. It's not my favorite plotline. Ever but at least i get it now the i i what i think is really clever is the punishment quote unquote punishment is something that you will have caused and reckoning. Kill you. It's literally just going to go back and make it like you were never here in the first place this is going to wipe you out and you know the thing that i always tease. And it always runs across my mind. And i've heard at least three podcast talk about this so i'm going to talk about it to when when q.'s. Back there and he's like you see that anomaly. That's about to prevent these amino acids from forming in this. The soup of priority will choose. Which by the way is in france apparently but then cue sticks his hand in the thing in swirls around. And i'm like wait a minute. Did the anomaly for or did you just prevent it. And he's got it all on his hand. And i'm like wait a minute. Wait way if you do this and fling. It does like some protein. Go down and that's what causes it to come back together. Maybe that what did it like. I had some that thought. Because he like he pointed it out and you see that right there that's gonna be you picard and i'm like why are you touching it right. That's that's a cool thing seeing them with goop on his hands like it felt very cute. How did you feel about the fact that that all of of organic existence of life started in picardy hometown. Stretch like i one. I think they wanted tied to cars short. They wanna do. I don't know that they thought about it. In those terms. I think it you're saying welcome back to france is your home. Oh look here's the thing. And i don't think they gave it too much thought now. Yeah i would i. I wouldn't i mean for all we know it wasn't actually i mean three and a half billion years ago. You said it was france. How do we actually know as france. How does the card actually knows. France would if anybody if anybody can can detect techtronic shifting plates over the eons and the paint breaking your heart and also. I think he's telling him it's france just to make picard care about more very easily. Could said you're back on earth three point five billion years ago france's over there so he could have said anything and been like look your home. You're trying to alexey your home. You're on earth is another one of those little callback story because we know that cards from france. Exactly exactly. We've mentioned this can mentioned again in the finale real quick. I just want to sit in the past one. And i'll say for this all right act nine. The season one crew can't penetrate the anomaly pass data says that a theoretical piece of gear should be able to scan through the interference. But it's still only a theory. We don't have that on the enterprise q a time shift to the president and now they just happen to have that exact piece of equipment on board because it's seven years later and it comes standard on every new starship. These days data does work and discovers that they're tacky on. Pulse is converging through through time at one point space with two other tacky on pulses from other enterprises and tin tin forward. The crew is having a drink with admiral. Reicher stewing over a loss deanna and his beef with warf- but then picard interrupts like a rambling drunken old man. Most people think it's his advanced erotic syndrome but data actually gives them the benefit of the doubt. And then reasons it out. It's the world's greatest techno babble to date but in the end they're going back to the denver on system to try to fix it. So yes the bulk of this is hey we figure out what's going wrong. Let's move forward because we've got to do to get to the to the end of the show. Yeah sure the only thing of note of interest in here Oh the already mentioned the go ahead. Troy troy died all sad for her reiger says. I always thought there'd be time. I always thought there'd be more time somehow warf in in in reicher are matt each other. Diana died as if either one of those caused it messed up. Yeah yeah yeah. There's a phrase comes to mind matt but this is a g. rated show pg rated show anyway. And i'm not gonna say it. I i do actually got one thing for you here. So data says and i quote the tacky on pulse is converging through time at one point in space with two other tacky on pulses from other enterprises. There's a problem with that okay. Tacking on polls from pasternak prize tacking on polls from presents enterprise. But when they shot the tack on pulse in the future they were not on the enterprise year on the pasture now. Ronald damore was asked about this and he said the anomaly said yep. That's something that nobody caught until after the show was on the air mistake that they made and nobody caught it until the show was on the air and the person who called it the very first version who caught it. Rick berman's ten year old son. Ronald moore described it as very humbling. Eeo yeah i feeling most of the people kinda wrote it off as oh technical technical our like okay skim over this works for me. Cool you go there. You go. sounds like a plausible explanation. Act ten the future. Enterprise arrives at the denver on system and sure enough. They've seen the anti time. Rupture occur picard. Says they must deactivate the tax on all the time periods. A few quick time shifts in okay. Check that one's done now. It's time to repair the rupture. The best way to do that is to take the enterprise into the center of the anomaly. All three timelines the season one crew was questioning what the heck is going on but picard finally does with jellicoe never did and gives the greatest leadership speech of the entire series before long. All three ships headed into the center of the rupture and when they arrive. They can all now see each other facing each other all three enterprises at once. There's a lot of cameras shaking going on. The rupture is starting to seal itself. But the enterprises are all losing warp core containment and just a few minutes. All three explode individually and john. Luke finds himself back in queues courts. At all worked and picard has saved humanity once again which prompts picard to issue a. Thank you and then q. Comes clean. He actually got them into it. But that was a directive from the continuum although it was cues idea to help out so good on him and now we get speech in that moment. You considered the impossible the paradox. And that moment you got outside yourself expanded your mind. That's the true exploration charting. The unknown possibilities of existence and with that hugh goes away and picard finds himself back at the beginning of the episode interrupting that kiss from deanna and warf so sad that that wasn't an alternate time line and everything is fine and he's off to bed turns out he's the only one who knows anything about the last hour and a half and in rikers quarters. It's a final game of poker and they're discussing the future. It's not too late to shape the future. It's not written in stone and before. Tng signs off for the final time. There's one last time at the door. It's captain picard. For the very first time and he asked to join the game and reflecting on the moment he says he should have done this a long time ago and with nothing wild and the sky is the limit the end that was a lot longer than the typical act. Five by the way. Sure so i. I mean i can see discussing the poker game at the end Feeling you're going to want to talk about q. In there somewhere sure. So i'll let you take the lead on that if you to okay are we. Are we just going to be like. Hey they wrapped up the episode. All three enterprises saw each other. That was kinda cool but yeah they did it. Can we pass on it with that. Like depth did it. I mean that's that's about it five insurance and and this by the way i like when you say it just seemed like a normal t. Angie episode like the way that wrapped up like that's very t in g as an episode. But this is an episode of tng. So i've already talked about the jellicoe thing. So i won't back into that. Although for doing what he should have done here is what. I wanna talk about you though and i don't know if you wanna talk about this opening your mind that it was more than what was in the little box that this paradox could actually be a thing. And that's what you really want to explore. That's a very interesting concept. Matt when we talk about our mission here at beam me up to explore the message of star trek. That's a very heady idea and honesty. Twenty some odd years into my phantom. I'm not sure that i still fully grasp it. Maybe i'm not ready for the future. I don't know. But i. I like that idea that you can open your mind. The idea that that things are not the way that you understand they are and it might be really yet right like whatever box you think the world existent or the universe existent. Maybe it's more than that and if you can get outside of that and at least be open to that possibility. Maybe there really is a galactic federation out there. Oh yeah. I think that's a growing up. I always wear told you. Aliens are real sure. Just the idea. Someone came up with as i get older. I don't know if it's just part of me that wants to believe it's real or if it's just kind of opening up a little bit and saying why couldn't it be sure like there are so many other stars and planets out there. Why couldn't there be light outdoor. Same kind of goes with teleportation. I know my sister had this theory. She told me about once. When you're growing up that she honestly believed teleportation was real thing okay. Because have you ever had this happened to you like this was just her reasoning for like you say you have your car keys and every time you come in the house you put them down in the same spot every time every time every time and you're sure you put them down and say insane spot then one day. You can't find them. They're not there and then you find them later in the day you know on your bed or between the couch cushions or something just something that no rhyme or reason for it. You didn't put them. They're like. I don't have kids so they didn't put him there. I don't have pets. They didn't put them there. Like how on earth do they get their things like that where things end up in different place than they should have been like. How do you explain now. Could be a faulty memory. Perhaps where we distracted. Probably but i like the idea like it just kind of opens your mind a little bit too. I can see that. I see where you're coming from. So it's it's interesting like they're like i don't know if that's quite to the point where key wants me to be But it is. I would argue and maybe the same argument picard was making. But it's farther along than i used to be. Yeah so it's a yeah. It's an inch concept. I liked the idea that it was just a moment. Like for just a moment. You considered the paradox. And in that moment you showed that you were capable of going higher like the idea that you could consider the impossible. Okay said let's take this out of science and let's take us in the life okay. What about that job. That you've always wanted you know what about that that that thing you've always wanted to go do or that's I never thought you could get on stage and seeing. You never thought she'd get up and do standup comedy or you never thought you could I'm talking about doing stuff. But you're maybe it's go somewhere. You know these things. It's never going to happen. That's impossible you know. Maybe it's losing weight. Or i don't know getting out of a bad relationship or or getting into a relationship or asking that one personnel that you've always kind of had a thing for those things and you know they're going to take turn you down but what if you consider the impossible. What if you consider that. It's possible that something could happen. And that's where you begin to live and you know i. I can't think of a better star trek message than that right there. Sure no these go ahead. Hot reminds me a. I ran across recently From jim rome and if you are not willing to risk the usual you'll have to settle for the ordinary. Yeah that's kind of what you're getting at here. it's like you. You have to take that leap. You have to believe in the impossible if you will if you don't do that if you don't open up your mind if you don't try something new well then things are going to be same old. Same old sure to warring nations. They'll never be friends bump in your mind to the impossible. Maybe maybe they will be. Maybe they could well now that you've done that guess. What if it's possible that they could be the new begin to work towards it. If you don't just shut it down with pats impossible how we could never do that. And again i go back to. I don't think there could be a better star. Trek message to put out there. And and when we say matt and i don't know that we've set it for some time on this show. The world needs star trek. This is a hundred percent. What i'm talking about like these are the messages that that the world has a whole needs to hear it and we need to continue to hear it not just once but but for the rest of our lives we need to hear it again and again and again you know who knows i could. I could you know i could. I could never get on a microphone and talk about a silly tv show. I could never have a successful podcasts or achieve anything with with thing just sitting back talking behind a microphone. Hey i i've always said when people ask me what i'm doing now like well. If you knew me in high school you would never believe what. I'm about to tell you. Because i i literally we. When i was in highschool there are days. I will go to school. Go to all my classes come home. Sit in my room and think. I didn't say a single word at school today. I made it through the entire day. Not talking to anybody and not exaggerating when you say that. Are you matt literally mean you did not say a word to anybody. I literally. i did not say a word anybody like i was known in every one of my classes. The quiet guy as the shy geyser. I had i mean sometimes it was. It just became a thing where people would try to get me to talk because they knew i didn't talk right and of course then just became a game. Show if you want me to talk. I'm not gonna talk right. Why would you rights and then it was actively me not talking right. So yeah i i mean. I am not exaggerating. Like i literally went home and sat on my bed and had that thought like i did not say a word today. I'm only laughing. Because i think one of the reasons why our friendship works really well is because from a personality standpoint. You're a lot like my wife and and what you're saying here reminds me so much of my wife. It does i. It's so like the exact opposite of me. Like if i were to go through a whole day talking to somebody. It's because i don't have a mouth that works anymore or hurt or something like that. Or i'm really really mad about something because other than that like now i'm gonna i'm gonna talk with. That's what i'm saying. If i could go like ice started podcasting. I run for our podcasts. I run to our podcasts. I have started for different podcasts. I'm ben on eight different podcasts. Like what speaking of a four hour. Speaking before our podcast. Hopefully this one go sub. Let's keep this sub two hours. I hope maybe not all right. I gotta talk about walmart thing with cue though before. I'm sorry was there anything else with that that you wanted to address before even one because that that's the core message and i i don't want to skip over that. No nope we're good there. I floated this idea to your back. And you completely pooh-poohed it and i just. I let you poo poo. And i said okay. Fine well we'll come back to it okay but floated this idea out to you. I want to say that this actually was an idea that was put forth by brannon. Braga maybe maybe not but talking about hugh and what is q. And why we're specifically why q. And why is q. Interacting with picard in the enterprise in the way that he does over the course of his episodes. And i said to you at the time i said you know in his own weird way. Hugh is not app dylan. Now we talk about q. Being the villain but is not really a villain. He is here to help picard his here to to give them warnings and to prepare them for what is to come. And you're like no queues bad. And that's just the way he is. I'm curious if you remember that conversation and if so do you still hold that idea or do you give. What brandon said a little bit of credence that actually is not actually the villain but is really here in a very weird way to help card and help humanity all right to answer your questions kind of in order. I can't say that. I remember that conversation at least not clearly. I do not doubt you at all that. That's the reaction that i had or that's said that sounds like i don't remember how do was that like. After the first time we met you it might have been after the episode. where qadir us to the borg. Cue that three us over to go. See the border great but we come to find out later. Hey the board for the episode with the second q. i don't remember. I know all of those sort of start to blend together a bit for me in my head right now between the episode of the second hugh where we saw a little bit of a difference between dad. Hugh and rq and this episode right here. Okay particularly after this episode. Right here i would. I would tend to agree with you more like this is a much better example and maybe going back now and rewatching some of those other q. Episodes with this in mind with this episode in my mind might be able to get on board with that a little bit. But i i think where i was what i wanted to be or what i thought he was at the time with my limited experience. Yeah i i believe i would have said that. I believe i believe that. But yeah i would. I would say that has changed the it might have been the episode that we did Tapestry which is the one where it's a wonderful life in space where q took picard back. After he had the whole thing and gave them a chance to relive his life. If he didn't do that one thing it might. It might have been that one now that i'm trying to think about that. Okay yeah i just i. It's it's an interesting concept now. I don't mind telling you this isn't the last. We're gonna see if q sure there is more to come. And i'll we'll revisit this conversation then and and see you have any idea of who q. Is and you know the content you know says the continuum made me do it or whatever but it was my idea to help you. Okay well there. You go pal okay. We gotta talk about the final scene. Though the final scenes total fan service right fan service. Pull it the emotional heartstrings. Had nothing to do with the rest of the episode. This is the only seen that makes it. Feel like a finale right because other than that. It's a season finale. show right. it's a it's a. It's your typical cliffhanger of an episode and well that and then the the constant referral to all the different things that they picked up along the way the lebron james thing and jellicoe thing and the shirt. Yeah i mean. It didn't help. But i didn't catch all sure but this scene they're playing poker again because poker's like a big thing on the on the enterprise. By the way. I when i when i went into this i said i said to my head like i have to get the poker game in there somewhere. Like matt has no that they play poker and they do it a lot. I did not realize how many times we will be watching episodes where they and i was pleasantly surprised was like oh and matt's that final scene it's going it's going to. It's going to be so much better for him. Because like i'm not gonna lie. There are several episodes. Like i weighed heavily for me because of something. That happened in this finale. Like you wouldn't be able to appreciate this. Finale without having had that up like like attached are when we watch attachments episode where picard and beverly start hearing each other's thoughts the main part of that episode to me was. How does the world become a part of the federation secondary to that was hey cartoon beverly sort of have this thing that we haven't explored that. Oh by the way this is really gonna pay off in the end like that was always a part of that conversation to me anyway but picard finally comes in and joins the game for the first time. Did you know that he had never really been a part of the game. Had we ever talked about that. Want to see it. Like i wouldn't have known that i don't think offhand i something in the back of my head told me though. This is his first time. And i think that's because you mentioned it to me once that could be because the captain doesn't interact with his superior like might have been the last time we had a poker game We see like i. I think maybe you mention that or something like something stuck in my head off. Someone told me someone told me that. He's never played with them before. You're probably leading up to. That was probably hinting at that. I don't remember right now but yeah there's a lot of things that i say here and there that's like trekkies will know and you don't until we get there. I don't know like. I fully understand that i did many many times euro joe a first time there any sits down and you know he looks around and and they're like you're always. I should have done this a long time ago. And she's like you're always welcome and he's like yeah. I know but you know captain not supposed to socialize. But captain picard crosses the line here with this crew in this moment that he has not yet crossed right. We understand there's this great relationship between captain picard and at least the bridge crew the senior officers right. I don't know that we would ever fully describe them all as friends who socialized together and take their meals together and things like that not necessarily including picard in that would like you know what i mean light like true like i love you. You're my friend kind of thing. Yeah what like you said wouldn't take their meals together. And as long as you're differentiating taking meals together versus getting drink together right like these are people who get a drink together right well. I'm talking more picard. With everybody else lie aspects and georgie. All those guys though they they told the hang out all the time right but picard doesn't like the car doesn't go to ten forward and get a drink. Get some tea out of his ready room. And that's it like. Yeah i gotcha so the idea that that that they kind of cross this line almost pinelli sure. But what's it gonna do to the movies going forward car. I don't know anyway but they they really you know they. It's a line that gets crossed. And i love that. They crossed because it needed. It needs a line that needed to be crossed. Like you have to be familial when it comes this kind of stuff but the imagery of of the poker of the game that that picard calls as five card stud okay. It's normal ordinary everyday going about our lives. Nothing's wild at right no shenanigans. Nothing's up it's just us going about our ordinary life and the sky's the limit can do anything. Oh star trek star trek all the way through. I caught that description. They chose their words very carefully. That even might have been a pillar edit and then you get the picture of the enterprise flying away perfect perfect as a finale for that moment right there and it's the end that's it well matt. That's it star trek the next generation. At least as far as your first run through it. Your limited run of the one hundred and seventy six episodes. You've seen if you count double episodes and things like that you're probably in about the forty five so you're about a third ish little less than a third of the way through. I don't even know if it's forty hundred. It'd be that much. You're in your ear in your thirties and forties. That's it there's a lot you've missed so matt. I want to ask what we already talked about. Did you like this episode. would you watch it again. And just gonna answer. Yes you did even if you don't realize it but as far as being beamed up into the phantom like you're thinking back on next generation as a whole reflect on next generation just for a moment for us before we move on man wasn't prepared for this next generation was aptly named truly is the next generation. They i mean it's like multiple generations. Ask the original series but it's leaps and bounds ahead of the original series in good way still carries the message. The show forward show that they can do. They had a phenomenal cast. And i mean we're it going to be weird to say it's my favourite track today. No it should be and frankly that x. generation is these star trek for me. Anyway that i compare all of their star trek to now i also compared to the other star treks to but but yeah i mean next generation especially when you think about that first season and how rough that first season really was in matt you. You don't know how rough that first season really was watched. Like two or three episodes and i yeah four we watch four episodes. It was rough and the second season was less rough started getting its feet under it but still not great. That was the doctor pulaski season you know and then season three. They really started running and then they hit that best of both worlds. Where they you know with the with the board and and and star trek took off in never looked back took off never looked back in. Its figured out right. And and i gotta tell you i think. Very specifically star trek the next generation spurred at least four sequels direct. Direct spin off series. Cherbourg that because of star trek the next generation obviously deep space nine. They did it before national museum off. The air next was going off the air. Like oh we gotta have something to replace that. So here comes voyager. I would argue even enterprise because it's fits within this whole thing and you know and even some new trek neutra comes right back to the at five. Actually my ears. There's one that's y'all picard. I would assume that is a spin off. Yeah yeah and we'll we'll. We'll eventually get to that for you. Bat and i'm not sure how we're gonna get there not sure where the cutoff point on. This show is going to be where. I'm gonna just let you go because boy you talk about serialized. Tv star trek being made in the new era. That's it area so you can't be i you don't miss those you. You can't do track the way we're doing this run you just. It's impossible anyway. Matt would you qualify yourself as a tricky at this point or trekker whatever. Your preferred terminology is to some extent. I like i think i'm invested enough. That i want to call myself one. But i think i don't know enough like i feel like i don't know enough to actually call myself one because as soon as someone brings up anything from pat past season three of these base nine or anything voyager or anything from enterprise like. I don't know you don't even know the names of the characters. You couldn't say wait. What his way. Which ones from where you'll get their matt you there. We'll get it okay. That's that's fair. Yeah once once. I get to that point. I feel much more comfortable like because i would hate to walk up to someone. And say hey. I'm a fellow trekkie. So who's your favorite character from enterprise. Do i've got there yet. i don't know i will. I'll say this matt and those of you listening out there you've made it through this episode this far. At what point did you consider yourself a fan of trek. What what point did you consider yourself. Beamed up into the into the phantom. Regardless of what term you use trekkie trekker ord none of the above just a trek fan. At what point did you did. You know all of those things. Obviously at some point at the didn't know who was the captain of enterprise because enterprise hadn't even aired yet yet. They still consider them so. I feel i feel. That's different though. Yeah because you're on the other side right. Yeah yeah. I get that i get that. Well well i promise you. We will get their mad. I have one more question and then we're going to wrap up. Is there any part of you that wants to go all the way back to episode one of next generation in benji the whole series. Like why would you go back and rewatch like indu a next. And i'm not saying right now i'm just saying. Would you go back into an extra bench pickup chris. I cast about it but yeah i. I would hope you'd be watching it fast enough that you couldn't podcast about it exactly. Yeah that's what i would want to do. Okay that's that because the honestly frankly that is the whole point of this podcast to me. Okay that's what i want for. You is to get you to enough of a fandom that you say hey are. I got a good idea of the story of what's happening now. I wanna go figure out what all i missed. I wanna go. I wanna go see. These episodes that brent says is really good. I know there's going to be some stinkers in there. But he says there's some really good ones that he just couldn't put in because there was some great ones that that we skipped. Let me tell you it's gonna be a joy to go back. Press play and watch it will matter. I will tell you if you're ever sitting around you got some time to kill or you're just you're working and you wanna have a background episode on any next generation episode. You wanna do feel free my friend in fact i would and you just do it. It's good it's worth it. It's good and it's only seven seasons. Don't you know most are after. I catch up on my netflix will be back into star trek anyway. All right well would you like. Would you like to know what we're doing next week. What's going on ensuing. We're back to deep space nine. Tell that would be a good guess. Mac and might be a deep space nine for a while at least voyager premieres. Because yeah i mean yeah. Yeah the only truck on tv until voyager premieres which so so this episode aired all. Good things aired. May i wanna say it was may twenty third ninety-four the episode you're about to watch is the d. s. nine episode that also aired on the same day. So imagine you're a trekkie and you have just watched the finale of all good things and immediately after this the episode that airs they were on the same day same night yup back to back plan at. Can you imagine having to to follow the series finale of all of next generation. Yeah i mean that's rough by itself like but still i would think as a star trek exact i would. I wouldn't want wind monopolizing nights instead of just one. Well that eventually ends up happening But y- keeping my with with the nine. They were trying to launch new show. They wanted to keep the star trek people. They wanted people to watch it. So you put it on right after next gen Yeah yeah but but i will tell you about the time. Voyager comes around deep space nine and has got its own following enough and actually voyager wound up premiering on a different network so they wound up being on two different networks. Which is very weird. Yeah yeah voyager. Voyager went over to the. I want to say it was. Upn or maybe that was enterprise. We'll figure that out. I'm not i've got. I've got to go back and do my math anyway. Here's where watching rushing up. So called the collaborator. It is a single episode. Not a double episode washing so called the collaborator. And oh matt. We're getting so close to the end of season. Two of deep space nine and extra viewings for the next generation. No all of them. That's all to give you all of them all right matt. That's going to do it for us this week on me up star trek podcast folks out there remembering. If you want to get in touch with us you do that by emailing us to be met pot. Djamil dot com or over to be met pod dot com for more ways to contact us. Please let us know your thoughts on all good things. Matt's where can people find you out there on the internet to talk about this. You can find me over on twitter or instagram at as a matter of met. And if you guys wanna get in touch with me you can find me at brent allen live across all the social media's i would love to connect with you there as well two guys. It's been a fun ride through next generation but now it's time to move on until next time. Folks live long and prosper.

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Yesterday's Enterprise

Beam Me Up: A Star Trek Podcast

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Yesterday's Enterprise

"The final frontier inside this is about saving the few humanitarian. This give a huge victory. Dives Greg Action is not motion. Was Up welcome to another episode of Beam me up a star Trek. Podcast I am Brent Allen and I've seen every episode of Star Trek Multiple Times and Matt Sonnenburg and this is my first time through series and Matt this particular episode of Star Trek that we're doing today. I have seen multiple multiple times. It is one of my favorites. I understand there you go. Hey listen guys. This is the show. If you're new to the show this is the one where I am. Tasked with the job of introducing Matt to the Universe of Star Trek but only got about one hundred and fifty episodes to do it and in that hundred and fifty episodes I got to squeeze in like seven hundred sixty of them. So that's the point of this show. I just want to remind everybody real quick. You can visit us now. On the web at beaming pod dot com all sorts of things to browse through over there including how to contact us find out more about matinee. And if you want to support the show or you want more of the show as through some of these extra viewing things we keep talking about and other pieces of content. We're putting out their head over to Patriae on dot com slash beaming pod. We'RE GONNA post up all that extra content over there. You can get access to a discord chat with that night so very fun well Matt. Today's episode is yesterday's enterprise The yesterday's enterprise or as I like to call it the one with captain shooter. Captain Shooter. Mcgavin yes I told you over and over. I don't usually pick up on on faces but that is one I recognize. I don't know why but yes shooter. Mcgavin one hundred percent there. You go well. This is the first episode math that we are doing in season. Three for this run. I had to skip a lot of good episodes. In fact in our last episode that I gave you a ton of extra viewing and that wasn't even all the good episodes here some keywords when you might want to check out but you know we're we're into some new stuff here season three and matt before we get into the full recap episode and the Character Spotlights. Give you just a second Gates McFadden. His back is doctor crusher. There's new uniforms but this one had new uniforms on top of the uniforms. They're you know there's what did you think of this episode your first episode watching in season three of next generation. That there's a lot of stuff going on and I can only imagine what's in the episodes that we skipped over but he had this. It took me a while to get a handle on what was going on here because like I said not only were there a few changes because it's our first episode of season three but there were changes within the episode. Bright Right. Yeah like just as part of the story of the episode thing all Wacky with them. Yeah so maybe maybe we'll revisit the question of what you you know talking about the changes on a future episode. Things are fair share. You know normal throughout the majority of the episode But overall did you like this episode. Was it intriguing to you? Did you had that? Did have that mystery element you talk about the July a whole lot. Oh Yeah it did it did and I I kind of wish it union played a little bit more into. Guinan because I want to know more about her oeser and I. I think it's something that they're just kind of holding onto. I don't necessarily even think it's stuff we've skipped over. Necessarily I think it's something the writers if they actually know her full story at this point like I said it's just something they're they're holding out A. Yeah I honestly. I think it's they're creating her story as your that. That's kind of what I figure it's like they don't really know exactly where she's going to have some general ideas like okay as writing guidance episodes we we have to keep this in mind but the rest is up for debate right but. Guinan kind of you know. She's that character that like. Hey we can do. Whatever she's a weird alien knows what's going on with her. We can do whatever we want with her. And nobody would know if that's normal or not. Well Yeah it's Kinda talking about a little bit in this episode so what? We talked about When when she had her running with Q. Lake Queue was already that kind of figure where they said. Yeah you can really do anything. He's just that powerful so you can explain away anything. That happens o q did it right. Sure I think so now were. We're getting getting that same vibe with Guinan. It's like you can solve a lot of problems. You can do a lot of different things because you have guidance. Abort just trust her. Because it's Guinan. We Trust Guide and I think for sure for sure all right well. Why don't we start diving into this episode? We'll start with our our character spotlights but we're not starting with a character actor spotlight we're GonNa Start with a crew spotlight actually couple of crew members Because I do want to talk about this. The crew spotlight. I got two key ones really here. The first one is the story about the people who who developed the story for this episode. This is one of the stories. That came through that open submission policy okay. We've talked about There is a guy named Trent Christopher Giannino. I hope I'm saying that name correctly who submitted a SPEC script the involved the enterprise C jumping forward and and I just want to point out. There's a couple of different ways that the story goes so. I hope I've pulled it altogether correctly. My haven't forgive me. This is how I understand it but anywhere it involves the enterprise C jumping forward and meeting the D. And sack would have been involved and would have been that failure face. You Know Sarah spock's father yeah write the script kind of made the rounds through the production office and Executive Producer Rick. Berman was notorious for hating time travel episodes and didn't WanNA touch this one like e. He stopped just short of banning them right and I kind of figured. That's where this episode was going to go though just because I starting to learn when you have a word like yesterday's in the title or tomorrow but like when you have word we're someway exactly. That's that's a good good pickup. That's a real good pickup But another one of the Producers Michael Piller and both Berman and my compel our guys that we're GONNA do a spotlight on on one of these future episodes because we have to talk about them. They're so integral to star trek in the making of Star Trek. He wound up picking up the script and he really liked it and he wound up having Giannino team up with one of his subordinates. Who was a script coordinator who had been like a production assistant in the first couple of seasons and had gotten elevated but he was directly beneath pillar and he was also writing time. Travel story at the time now. His name was Erik still still well. Now Eric still where the previous year at one of the convention. It had ran into denise crosby who plays Tasha Yar and she had base and he told her you know he's been promoted from PA describe coordinator and he was working on some scripts and stuff and she's like. Hey why don't you write an episode for? Tasha comes back and so he kind of let that spin in his head and he was working so. This really was a collaboration between the two. The store coming up with the story was was a collaboration between the two Sarah goes out Denise Crosby Tasha Yar comes in as the character who kind of comes back And they off the story that production bought it and it was such a thing about getting it in there and there was this whole big thing with the writers guild about saying it's a story by or from a story by or like how were they credited on the road an entire book about the experience. That was aptly called the making of yesterday's enterprise which you can get on Amazon. If you're interested it's apparently a really good read. I've never read it and I'm kind of interested to read it now but it details sort of the history of this episode. What it is to write a script what it takes to get a script submitted and all that kind of stuff. I would be remiss if I didn't stop and talk about the writing credits for this episode though. Because that's just the story that you got to flush it out and turn it into a tele play you've got to turn it into a script and though the one who gets the the credit for this one is basically just the writer's room like everyone in the writer's room had a hand in developing the script. They had to rush the production on it. Because it was over Thanksgiving Weekend Whoopi. Goldberg had a couple of conflicting things and different things like that so they had to had to get everything in in Russian and kind get it pushed through But a couple of the names. I do want to highlight here. That trekkies will know our Irish Stephen Bear was one of the main Writers of this episode. I received unbearable. Go on to become the show runner for deep space nine. The next series will do after after this one. So that's him from and then Ronald D Moore who is also a major major writer four star Trek and will continue to be a writer for Star Trek. But Matt he was the guy who eventually would leave star trek to create the new battle star. Galactica concerns. I don't know if you've ever watched that or not. I liked it. I liked it a lot but I I have not watched it. The most I know is bears. Beats better start. Collect Fares Beats Battle Star Galactica yes. I've never heard this. What are you talking about? Are you familiar with the office? Yeah the the episode where Jim Impersonates. Dwight Okay Yeah Yeah beat okay I got it got it. Okay Fair enough there you go about sort of like a very different theme they can do things in. Battle Star GALACTICA. They could never do here But Anyway Ronald D Moore goes and becomes the show runner executive producer of that show But he is he is a longtime guy you. You can't talk about this era of next generation and not talk about Ronald D. Moore's is one of the script guys so so you have that. That is our crew spotlight. Let's talk about a couple of the actors though real quick Rich Sto is played by shooter. Mcgavin He is Aka Christopher McDonald i. I'm so glad to hear you say that. Because like He. He's been in dozens. If not hundreds of things. I catch his face from time to time but over and over again. Like if you have to take one thing shooter mcgavin it's Gavin exactly and in fact. That was my note. He's a very familiar face. Imdb 'EM if you want to find out what all is being hit what they're interesting interesting for them though. He actually originally auditioned for the role of Reicher. So I'll leave that to you just to think what could have been. I. I can see it kind of he kind of has that Damir. Although I mean my one common bottom in this episode was like this is a very calm and almost kind role for him and because I'm used to him seeing him as shooter mcgavin right way. I is very different role. And so you have to put them in his reicher like after seeing him in this episode I could see him as Reicher shirk but prior probably not right. I think the production staff got it right when they put in Jonathan frakes striker for sure. But you know this is I think this is one of those examples of somebody comes in to audition for a role. They don't get the role but they bring them back for something else. Later on you know so Not Not a complete waste. All right R-maine spotlight though and I'd be remiss if we didn't do this since we didn't do one for her when she was actually on the show. Let's go and talk about Tasha. Yar played by Denise Crosby our main character spotlight now. She is the granddaughter of the famous singer. And Crooner being crosby. Okay so the name. Is You know. The names legit. Yeah I guess there's relation that's his granddaughter now. I think I mentioned before back. When we discussed MERITAS WHO PLAYS DEANNA? Troi that she was originally cast a play the security officer and Yeah Denise had actually been originally cast troy roddenberry himself who decided to make the role reversal role switch And I know that I mentioned this before but go ahead and repeat it here just for austerity sake. She asked to leave the show in season one because she just felt like her character wasn't being given enough to do right. She didn't want dance. She didn't want to do that. You're her thing where she just repeat stuff in the background when you explain that to me and so I was. Kinda surprised so you're back here like I didn't even place her at first? I I actually started typing my notes. It's like who is at the replaced warf and like wait a minute is that oh it. Is Okay say that you had the exact appropriate response. If that was your you know it should have taken you a second to come on. Imagine like back in nineteen ninety like we haven't seen TASHA I. I the last time we saw was that little picture. Hologram thing on on the desk with the data. That's really been about it. So you know you might have recognized but maybe not quite at first because she had her hair certainly all slipped over a lot more in this one and in the new uniform and stuff so now her final episode or at least her character died in an episode called skin of evil which we did not watch your good reason. But you've mentioned Tim. I have mentioned I however that episode was shot out of order so the last episode that she actually acted in was an episode called symbiosis even though it aired before skin of evil. Okay so a little Easter egg and symbiosis. If you ever go back and watch it okay is in her final scene in symbiosis which was literally the final scene that she ever shot as a full time cast member in Star Trek There's a little thing where you see her looking at the camera and waving goodbye so they kept it in. I don't know if they noticed it. At the time they left it in or if they just missed it she background at the time. Yeah Yeah like I think she was like. I know she's I think she's going into like a shuttle or something or she's going through a door like just before she was getting ready to leave kearns and waves at the camera. And it's really one of those things like you have to know that it's there to see it. Sure you know But anyway so now when she left the show. She really intended to focus on her film. Career I will leave it to you to. Imdb her and decide for yourself Matt and listeners out there if that was a good decision on her part or not. I'm not going to to say that or not but suffice it to say. The niece has been very very active at Fan Conventions so much so that. She wound up producing two documentaries. The first one was titled Trekkies and as I was titled Trekkies Two both of which I saw that flex. I thought they were fine. They were neat. Certainly certainly very interesting I don't know if they'll still be on Netflix. By the time the like if you're listening to me now and you go try to find it on Netflix. I don't know if it's there I don't know if the people when they're listening are gonNA find out flex. I don't even know if when people are listening to this of net flicks will still be a thing. This exist always thing. I don't know I don't know I think it might be dying. I really do unless the atom anyway. Hey yeah they're not as dominant. I think as anyway Anyway in commenting on this particular episode Denise at at the different fan conventions and I am pulling this fact would solely from memory. I did not find this written down anywhere but I just know that. I've seen it in in basically responding to the question of if she was if she thought it was a mistake to leave the show and have her character killed off basically. What she said was the way she looks at it. They had to kill her off because if they didn't she wouldn't have been able to come back and get this episode which she considers to be the best episode of the entire. Series Church so No she doesn't regret it. Although if my character died kind of regret it but she she you know she really liked what they did with her up with her character in the season or in this episode. And it's what you know what she was trying to avoid which he when she started out so anyway. That's Denise Crosby Matt All right I'm GonNA stop while Knox I'm going to continue to talk but this during the show over to you You stop and start and pull and push and all that kind of stuff. I'M GONNA walk us through the scenes but you give us your commentary on the episode as we go through the episode as you saw. We'll do all right prologue for yesterday's enterprise. Warf is doing a little taste testing with Guinan in ten forward and she hands him a purple drink and he loves it. A warriors drink. Yeah Warf. That's called Prune juice so good especially after what you just kind of explained to me how how war flakes these things that humans typically do not And the fact that the first thing he says after he samples is what I think. He gets the name of it but that means nothing to him release. It doesn't really matter but he didn't say this is the warriors drink. Sure sure like it honestly remind me of Lake any movie or TV show when he got the the bodybuilder on there and they're making their their morning protein shake smoothie whatever and they're just thrown all this girl stuff into it mixing it up and chugging it down. I'm like yeah the that's what you're talking about warriors shrink. It might be good for you but it tastes awful right right. He loves it and and I don't mind telling you like you will see wharf drinking juice from now through the time he's done with Star Trek life stages I it's one of those things that will continue to come back up so now I want to do you know is actually produced at. He's drinking. I have no idea it could be regular grape juice. Yeah I like I would actor I I I would specifically request. I'm not drinking injuries all the time. Have you ever had prune juice on they have? Yeah so don't judge until you have because I don't think it's that I really don't I could be wrong. Yeah but I typically don't like I mean you. You can debate whether or not. Prunes are exotic. But I don't tend to like exotic fruits. Okay so no. I don't know I feel like I've had it and I've gone. Hey this actually isn't bad. I think tastes mostly like grape juice. If memory serves it tastes generally allegra juice. But it's purple it's Purple Druce that's purple. Guinan is concerned about lack of companionship. He says there's no one on board that would be safe with him. Once again. Klingon MATING RITUALS BECOME. A question reminds me up and I loved how he had had a nice laughing. This scene to eventually 'cause I reminded me very much of our our last big cleanup so where you commented. That was one of your favorite parts about the head back in his mouth is open a mile wide. Aw We kinda get that from ward cycle. Yeah you are a sometimes I forget that and like I like he just fits in so well with everybody else and like he doesn't Nisus he's just kind of very stoic. He's not like this angry aggressive Klingon that we usually see from the rest of them He. He's just sitting back taking orders doing his job And so it's like it's easy to let him kind of blend in and then deaconess seem like this and it's like Oh yeah you're clan so two quick things about this particular scene before we move on One I am personally grateful for the scene. Because this provides like these soul of levity in the entire episode there is no other place for comedic relief in the rest of this episode and get it right at the very beginning. I do like it but this is a prime example of something we've never talked about. That's called pillar filler. The name Michael Piller just mentioned a few minutes ago. If you hadn't mentioned it I'd I'd really be lost by coming back to almost like there's a plan for rates show but there there's this thing called pillar filler. Where so they write an episode and go crap were thirty seconds short on the time that we have to hit for broadcast over a minute short and so Michael. Piller was notorious for going in and writing these little scenes. That didn't have anything to do with the rest of the episode. That were just filler scenes to get the episode to link and this is a really great example of what they call pillar filler. They needed you know. Get an extra thirty forty five seconds of screen time to let us hit what we need to hit. Yeah and if this is the kind of stuff he writes. I had rented all day I will. I will not be pointing out to you. Every single time with C. To notice it or when. I happen to know that that's what it was. I WILL. I will let you know or see if you can pick up on it anyway. Back to the episode. Outside the window a time dilation Wormhole thingy as appeared in outer space. No one knows what it is. But a vessel is emerging from this thing. He officially flashy flashy effects. And some things have changed on the bridge and only guidance seems to be aware that there's been a change. There's a slight change in uniform. Color Scheme. A familiar faces back tactical and that's Tash Pasha national. There's my hillbilly coming out Matt. Indeed Tasha confirms that Yes. A ship is indeed emerging from the wormhole. It's the USS Enterprise in C. Seventeen O one C so jumping back to the beginning of this guy and I am sitting there. She's looking out the window and like she seems to have some idea of what this is Sound like go. Go tell captain now. Let's get ahead of this problem for once. It's something still going to happen but at least you can learn. Somebody asked not to a but then I was a little bit surprised to see you in after this change after this flash of light she still had some idea at something was wrong wrong. Yeah can't place it really know what it is. Yes is the wear uniforms but this is a kind of remind me a little bit like Matrix Style Mike. Now there's a change in the Matrix You don't know what it was yet. But 'cause I'm leaving the Matrix it's deja Vu. Right right was out. There's a change and so it's like okay. So something changed some things different. Something's not the way it's supposed to be. You can't quite put her finger on it right then and there. I'm like okay. Once again I need full series. Storyline on Guinan. I need to know more what she can do where she comes from her race. What's going on at this point like they've mentioned a few times in this episode just like her species or her race. It never gave it a name. Do we have a name for that? It's probably going to mispronounce. But it's the Ele- Lawrence or L. Laurean or something like that. Lord okay. Maybe I'll look it up later but we don't know how we do run into other but not that many but we will actually run into one or two others. Yeah well I mean we did find out like most of her racers destroyed right. Yeah yeah so we don't run into. That's did run into a lot of them. I think we have a lot more problems right but right yeah so in case yes. I would love more guidance. I think everybody would love more. Speaking of Guinan Matt. As we're recording this new series picard is on and there is such a cool video Whoopi Goldberg is now older. She does a show called the view and she had Patrick Stewart on the show. Promoting the show. Did you see this clip? No now? So there's there's a clip where Patrick's he's they're promoting Picard Picard regard. But there's a clip where they pull out where he stops the conversation and he says he says actually I am. I am not just here promoting the show. I'm here with a formal invitation. And it's for you Whoopi. And everybody's like Oh he's like you know the people who are in control of the show and I am one of the people who are in control the show because he has that kind of clout. Now he's like. We are here to extend a formal invitation for you to join season two of card which is already picked up for season two and I mean Matt go watch it. 'cause she has the biggest I mean. It is the most pure smile you'll ever see on. Somebody's face like she is so tickled to death to get to do this. I I can imagine it right now and she talks about how like and she. Apparently she says this before. I don't watch I don't I don't have never heard I would imagine you would either but I can tell you who even hosts the show is one of them and she has for for a few years. I do know that actually the most I can tell you. I think there are four ladies. I believe I think Barbara Walters was the one who started it and I left. Whoopi came on the show. Like that. Anyway But she she talks about how her experience on star. Trek is one of the best things that's ever happened to her. Like just on a personal level so the idea that I can imagine most people who are on STAR TREK US. The best thing you know and and for for most people who they trade off their role in Star Trek really for the rest of their lives. Yes yeah then you have. Somebody like Whoopi or Patrick. Stir these guys who kind of break beyond those or those walls You know she's still sits back and I mean and you look at a guy like Patrick Stewart Guy with the cloud of Patrick Stewart. Who Years later they come to him and they you know he he at that point feels like he's done with he's done with the character of Picard. This the show has moved on. The universe has moved on and they present him in and and one day we'll talk about how picard camps comes to be the TV. Show the series. Yeah comes to. We'll get there. We're not there now but the idea that these guys come back and just just shows how much star Trek really meant to them on a personal level The see what you think of the new enterprise. See when you saw it. D- I I was super confused for the next. I don't know five ten minutes I I it. It took me a long time to actually grasp what was going on here. I'm like wait slurs to enterprises two things actually change the past or the future is the shift that we are on yesterday's enterprise or was that the one they saw but then then they got into A. I'll let you continue to story just out of curiosity did you forget that the ship were on now is the Enterprise D. No okay all right I. I initially my thought was like they had turned into the sea ears. Or Okay No. That's initially my very first thought. Was that they if they had come through this wormhole or whatever and then we jumped to this other ship And so Y- I'm going to talk it out now and there's going to be a lot of Powell's and what I'm saying thinking that that they came through and so then there was this other enterprise and they were trying to figure out where the second enterprise came from and I thought our crew was on that second enterprise that came through the whole And so that's why I was really confused when they I. It wasn't until we got the name of the captain on on the see that I completely figured out what was going on. Gotcha Gotcha okay. So you thought that When they did the flash thing basically where you're staring at at two crew was just one was on a c one was on a d. but it was like kind of maybe mirror universe type stuff like where things were the same different like like. I thought there were. There were two cards and onto guidelines and to rikers. Right right. I'm with you I I get ya get ya As far as the ship itself though and just a quick little production no if you go back and look at the ship if you go watch the show. Do you remember the excelsior class ship? That would be the the ship that Sulu was the captain of in the sixth movie. And we saw it in the fourth movie as they like went off after the guys I mean I I remember it kind of shifts if you if you look at that ship and then you look at the Enterprise d the Way they designed the enterprise see was it was supposed to be an amalgam of those two ships like how in the design process. Did we go from this ship to the Enterprise d? That's kind of the that was the the I guess litmus test they use when they were Building this and that's what I was talking about there. Is that guy sitting in the back of the office here. Who whose job is to design all these ships that look alike but different at so. You're even say here. They basically told him. Hey here's this ship. Here's this ship built a ship that goes in between Like it's going to have components of both because the design sequence that you know we we change things incrementally. We don't just to come up with completely new designs all the time and there was a guy. Okay so the guy who originally designed the ship. His name was Matt Jefferies. Okay we'RE TALKING REAL WORLD REAL WORLD. The Guy who designed this is the seventeen o one the like the original shipped after the old show. I know I've there was a guy who designed the sh the new ones and I forgot his name. I meant to write it down to tell you because I was like. Oh this is that guy's name. This is the guy who actually like the Guy. His job is to go in. And you know design ships when the script calls for them like you know part of the art department. That's that's the way he does. Yeah and I was saying that I feel. It should be one guy's job but at the same time it wouldn't necessarily have to be because I know you go to like Disney and there are multiple people who can draw Mickey Mouse. It's not just like one guy draws every single mickey ever right right. Yeah I'M NOT GONNA I'M NOT GONNA I'm not GonNa Waste Time and look it up right now but there is that guy and one day. I'll write his name down in L. Tell you his name figured out. I'll be here all right. Hey Act one. Let's get back into the story Mission log combat dates. Wow some things have definitely changed. The Enterprise see it turns out was destroyed. Twenty years ago total loss of all hands correction it was presumed destroyed scanning the interior of the ship. Life signs are detected. Reiger wants to help but but card is concerned about interfering with the timeline ultimately picard agrees to go. Help the enterprise see but we have to avoid all discussion of win and where they are. Oh NPS there's a Klingon battlecruiser on the way. I love how he warned them. You know don't tell them winter where they are and like within thirty seconds regular slips up. I'm like dude you had one job. Anyway yeah th th this is. This is where I was getting super confused like okay. 'cause 'cause they said that it was destroyed with all hands and and so in my mind it's like okay so this crew was on the see. It got destroyed. Then why are they here in this future version of them? If they were all destroyed are are they just using the same actors and they actually have different names? I don't know if they actually mentioned the any of their names yet. Like I'm trying to work something out in my head and I it's like a set. It wasn't until they say. Oh okay there's this other captain okay. Okay then it's slowly starting to work itself out in my head. There you go there you go. Well that captain is Captain Garrett She is the only living member of the bridge crew crusher beams outlook after Captain Garrett directly Sick Bay on the enterprise. Hey wait a minute. This is the enterprise we're talking about the other Inter Price Jordi is trying to restore power down in engineering while Reicher and Tasha find a helmsman. That guy is Richard Custodio. More shooter mcgavin as sick radicals over to the Enterprise D. They have stabilized live support but they still can't move the ship. Oh Yeah and by the way there's like one hundred twenty five survivors. So we're still here even in this weird little whatever's going on a card. He still picard all right. What's your recommendation? Well it'd be ashamed. Described the ship. Reicher says starfleet really could use another one and the end Reicher in the forge have nine hours to get the enterprise moving otherwise. We'll get there survivors out and destroy that ship just then guiding enters the bridge for like the very first time ever and this is weird but she really needs to talk to picard. This is all wrong. She says it's not the way it's supposed to be yes and so this didn't help accepted the that took so long for me a piece together. What they were trying to tell me actually happened like I think I should have had a better handle on that sooner. So then when they they come out and say starfleet could use another ship even if it is it older one on. What's going on now in the future? I I. It's obviously not where we were like. They had plenty of ships. Last time I checked they but the one more ship could be a great thing for them. Okay so that that. That was interesting and then like say guidance comes on and kind of get to figure out not all I think picard already has some level of respect for guidance But now you're thinking twenty two years in the future how much that must have grown. How much how many things they've been through and she's probably helped him out outer since sticky situations in the past so yes when she comes out and says you know something's wrong. I'm glad he didn't just like writer off right. I mean if it'd been Wesley Shop Wesley Yeah now that was probably the hardest thing and actually one of the things that confuse me in the beginning to is that if they went into the future and like nobody aged right. Wesley particularly like but Wesley was in. Full Commissioned OFFICERS UNIFORM. Did you notice that? He wasn't just in his little acting. Instance uniform in in this alternate timeline was but. I'm sure you're right. Yeah we got that detail right. Yeah I mean the fact that none of them aged kind of can maybe think it's like you know was there actually changed. Something actually happened. We Change Times like 'cause everything's still looked basically the same right matt just for what? I love hearing this because I'm pretty sure you're having the exact response you're supposed to have the first time you see this episode. Yeah the rewatch ability on. This episode is phenomenally. Yes yes I will tell you right now. I will rewatch absolutely great for you right now. If it wasn't clear shows over a match self-focused but one thing I will point out just because he he's broke his streak and now I don't ever have to talk about it again but spelling out numbers and we talked about. Maybe it's just picard thing. But no he has a star based one oh five it wasn't one zero five hundred zero five all right it. It's done. It's not all the time thing. It's not a direct to`real note or anything like that. It's just has to be alternates. High Man. That's it I'm sure as he gets older he gets softer so mad at some point like have you figured out yet that this is just an alternate timeline that we're in like different because like it's Kinda the same but it's a little bit different because it's just an alternate timeline. Yeah Yeah I like said what once once I figured out who was on the Enterprise C and they started explain that like then I started grass. Okay I've seen this before. Essentially in late like maybe not this exact scenario but I've been through enough sci-fi I understand what's going on now fair enough fair enough. Well Act to. Let's move on regarding. Guinan are trying to figure all this out. Guinan can't say exactly what's wrong. Just everything is as she knows it to be but she also knows that. It's wrong the bridge. The uniforms the lack of family being at war. It's all wrong. The Enterprise is a ship of peace not war and the only thing that guy that knows for sure is that ship out. There has to go back. Yeah that's that's interesting an interesting take Ghana but and I honestly didn't think the car is going to go for you know straight up. Guinan says let's do it. But I think that kind of you know rights. How strong relationship is too? But I mean it's one of those weird things because except for the fact that we know. Guinan is rights We would put yourself in alternate timelines Cards Position Yeah. This is ludicrous. There they go back there destroyed. We cannot send them back to their deaths. That's wrong that is morally repugnant. And wrong and that's basically what the rest of the crew tries to tell him exactly. Oh by the way. Don't mess with the timeline. And as far as they know that is the time line. That is the way things are supposed to have and this is. This is one of those super sticky situations where it's basically. How much do you trust guy and we find out here But we know as of you're anyway diamonds rights. Oh yeah yeah but but still like I did. At one point tried to put myself from card. Susan's like everybody tells you your entire true breaker included which Y- you usually respect his judgment pretty well and like I mean he still kind of wet people say their piece a little bit but ultimately he added was binding. Yeah did you notice the difference in the way he addressed Reicher in this in this episode so normal normally picard calls him number one number one in this episode. He continually called him. Commander Commander. Ted He didn't call him number one. Which is it's just one of those little subtleties visit. Show that their relationship different not. It's not what we know as the relationship between Reicher Picard. It's this is a more professional relationship. Well yeah I it's it's it's a time of war. Not Peace exploring. They're they're they're fighting for their lives. And and every every decisions being questioned no matter who you are so all right down in sick bay the two captains or meeting the last thing that Captain Garrett remembers answering the distress call from a Klingon outpost but obviously picard knows nothing but obviously picard knows nothing about this to try. Let me try that one again. The last thing the remembers his answering a distress call from the Klingon outpost. Obviously card should know something about it but he knows nothing of distress call. Garrett begins to note the differences. She's wearing a different uniform. One that we haven't seen since the T. O. S. movies the Sick Bay is really advanced so she insists on knowing what ship she is on. The Card finally tells her breaking his own role. She's twenty two years into the future. This is the Enterprise D and history has no record of her battle with Romulus. The KLINGON outpost was destroyed by the Romney Len's and it's too bad that they didn't succeed. Because Federation ship rescuing Klingon outpost that might have averted twenty years of war and this is when I started. Put a few more pieces together because they did a very good job of name dropping that Was An RENDRA. Three right. Dow Post you know early in the episode that that was the last place the see was spotted. The last place they knew it existed. And then it's like. Oh that's what you were defending. That's what God blown up and that's what started this war with the Klingons and then a PC. It's like I bet you. That's how they wrote warf off the ship. Ocean allowed TASHA comeback. Because like I I had no clue in the beginning before I like piece together that was Tasha even like okay. Wharf was standing there a minute ago. Why did the camera work on? That was spectacular. Sure like how they ended up behind the captain and like the last shot we saw was panning over to the captain and morph disappears and then we could shadow the captain again in Hanover. And it's like it's Tasha like wait. What But it's once can. Oh a little piece of the puzzle that they probably didn't have to write in but they did. Yeah I think the most interesting thing to me and I don't I don't know if in this limited run that the ideas have really occurred you at least a time that you've given them a lot of thought or had time to give them a lot of thought but we knew the seventeen o one. We saw the seventy one a in the movies now of a sudden we get the D. Wait a minute what happened to the being the C and so in this episode were beginning to fill in the history of what happened with at least the one before us at least and I think that's honestly part of part of my confusion. Early on was I didn't click with me that the C. Would have had a different crew in my mind made sense. That Picard should beyond the sea as well and that's why W- why there was some confusion because I mean I think actually now that I think about the part of the confusion may come from this empty. No one was kirk in seventeen. O One a was also Kirk right right right so so he kinda got both ships there so it doesn't seem out of place to me that you know maybe card was on both the mono and when they when they made the a basically was the seventeen o one just a little bit bigger. Yeah it was what they told us like. It's and then by the time we got to the to the end of the movies as it turns out. It's a tiny ship. Its own derelict. You know it's been service for a whole lot of years. What does happen to the B? What did happen to the sea? Why did we? Why did we close down the and come up with the with the D? You know like what's disappeared because it disappeared and data. Now we're kind of you know filling in those those pieces so I I it speech that I this is what I'm starting to put together like if I'm going through if I remember my first time going through because you know this is this is what we're getting so But yeah a federation ship. Rescuing outpost might have averted twenty years of war back on the enterprise. C Tasha is working with custodio to restore the shields. Oh scratch that yours. Working Casio's just trying to take in the news that he's now going into the future over the course of their conversation. We get more information about the new history. The Federation and Klingons have been at war for twenty years as alternate time line history. The federation is losing badly but Hey Tasha got a cup of coffee and we can go discuss all their changes. Yeah I if if ever there was a moment that he put on his audition tape Gavin. Is this part of the episode bag on the Enterprise. D Data tells us that if the SIEG goes back through the rift they will arrive right back where they left the middle of the battle sending them right back to what sending them right back to. What would be a death sentence? Thanks for the exposition. Their data let let us know the problem that we're in but let us know. Basically what the writers decided how this wormhole time travel's going to work. Oh by the way if we follow guidance advice. What's going to happen to them? You know you go back. You're dead you have to figure that makes sense like I I. It just made sense to me when they explained that there was no other option like that seems to fall in line with probably the normal time line and said that that was that's why they had to create the D. Because something happened to the sea whether it disappeared into this timeline or got blown up in that time. Line the has gone. We need to you know they made the D- right right all right act three yard. Custodio are back on the enterprise. D heading toward Sick Bay. Forty two decks six thousand troop capacity. Wow Wow the enterprise these pretty dang big. By the way. Matt she talks about the the enterprise has the capacity for six thousand troops. Do you remember how many people are on the enterprise? D like in the regular time line? I don't necessarily. I just know that there are families. There are families but it's it's just over a thousand think about that like you're talking about a ship that could fit six thousand people gonNA put a six of them on the ship to live. Now get when you're living you take up more space ghetto. You're not military barracks dead right exactly. Yeah like that's A. That's a huge drop off like that's a huge difference between the two so That always just gives me gives me a little pause but when you look at go back to the last episode we dead right the one with locks on a troy she had. She had two or three bedrooms suites. Exactly he's on. The ship fit twenty four soldiers. They're exactly exactly now. Listen I don't know you know I. I think we've actually had this. I don't know if you've ever taken a cruise before but your cabin on a cruise is not that Nice. Not Not unless you're paying your arm and leg for it. There might be one or two cabins at night but right and every Every crew member gets a cabin. That nice like that's nuts probably. That's that's yeah any that accounts for your six thousand people. Anyway they go meet with Captain Garrett in Sick Bay. She makes custody. Oh the liaison to the enterprise. D coordinate with DAD's a goal to which are goes. Hey that's me and Garett leaves. Sick Bay Against Medical Advice Ama as we say in my house back on the D. somewhere that we don't recognize guide in his meeting with Picard again. He needs more details. Guinan a Guinan can't give him any more. A Carton Guide and have the conversation that we are all starting to have in our own minds There's a lot of alternative timeline. Talk about what's right. And what's wrong? Do you send people to their death of. It's the way that it's supposed to happen. Do we sacrifice the lives of all these people in front of us for the potential of maybe altering time to save forty billion people every instinct. Picard says that this is wrong in. It is futile to send the enterprise seat back. Guyland leaves them with his only leaves him with only his trust in her as reason enough for why he should do it. Yeah and this is what you've been talking about. This is Zack. Would have been talking about yes. This is where we need to find out where Picard stands can take his right hand man rikers advice or is it gonNA stick with. Guinan this all-powerful. Being ran we we go out about. This is all powerful but she deficit result definitely but she sort of the key Q. Was kind of frighten buyer. Yeah so she felt comfortable to stand up to them right. Exactly yes some sort of power. I mean you would. Almost say cues our powerful right definitely would. That's so why not guy in in That's that's very true. I gotTa tell you this is the conversation in the show that I always start looking for the the the message of the show like what you know. What are they trying to tell us? And I can't come up with it. Like is this where they're holding a mirror up to his trying to teach us something like the way that Star Trek usually does. This just feels like this would be the point to do it and I can't come up with it. You know like this is just the conversation about time travel which is well. Yeah I mean I if anything. I think I see. This is kind of the. I hate this phrase because so often used by villains but the greater good right right so you know sacrificing one hundred twenty five for what they say. Forty million or forty billion billion. Yeah forty billion. Yeah it's like what do you do like? Hopefully we're never put in this position but you can see the cards still struggling with it. Obviously and the entire crew struggling with it and they don't want to sacrifice anybody right but there may come a time like I. It's not necessarily a lesson like we're used to seeing but I. It's kind of that that choice. Because I think that that's usually where we get. Our Wesson is where someone on. The crew has to make a choice. right at the end they have to learn a lesson of some some sort right at. You know it's interesting. I'm thinking about this. I don't know if this is in terms of being a parent now. My kids are old enough to start making choices. You can start with them the choice and let them figure out what they WANNA do. But I think the right thing to do here. Is you go to the crew of the people who dial hey listen. So here's the deal. What do you want to do like? We don't have to decide for you like I'm not going force you to do this. I can't force you to say either. Like what do you want to? We'll get there because turns out. That's a plot point here in just a minute but you run into a few problems there too. If you if you've let all of them choose I can see. Yeah Linda Captain Choose sure. Yeah you're whoever's in charge because 'cause we get castio he I think would very much just like to stay on the D. Tasha. Yeah right I mean that's a big selling point for him for sure but he but he now has a reason to stay outside of just to live like he actually has a business day now with yes. I'd like that. That's his most immediate reason but like when when she's talking with him though she kind of mentioned what you don't know if your family is still alive right to twenty years you could find out exactly like it's not four hundred years in the future where where your entire family is dead. This twenty two years. Where if you had kids right. They're grown up but they're probably still alive right. Which by the way Matt it just just because it's now occurring to me like if you do the math on that the enterprise was destroyed twenty two years ago the Enterprise d just got out of space dock like three years ago maybe two and a half years ago so they went for you know nearly twenty years without a USS Enterprise named ship flying around here. But they're making big upgrades. Yeah well there you go. They definitely made and they gave everybody new uniforms with the new show. Hey what he got all right. Hey listen let's get back to this in the ready room card is meeting with his senior staff you know basically everyone that's on the DVD cover apparently picard entertaining the thought of sending them back just as they were with no more armaments back to a certain death not to alter the past but to restore the past and that's a that's a great difference Right like I'm not going to alter the past going to restore the past but for that you have to admit the idea that the past has been altered if you're going to restore it right. Yep Yeah it's it's a weird thing. That's one of those problems. Get into time travel. I hate it when I have to come up with this with this Friday and I had a thing where I needed. Okay yeah but I it's. It's interesting how he words I it's interesting how he explains it to the crew right and I love that they even even though they don't go through with any of these plans they do come up with the what we could shut send them back with better shields and they might survive or they would definitely survive because it's going to be way superior to anything anybody else says back then and like we know exactly how to defeat whoever's tacky right now so we help you and and thankfully yes he shoots those ideas down right but I I appreciate that they still brought them up. Chur chur well with that. Everyone thinks that he's crazy including Reicher but especially to just do this on the word of Guinan but it takes data points out that we really don't know much about her species. Maybe they have a perception for such matters bottom line history has already been altered by the enterprise seat coming through the rift. We don't know what effect that has had on the present. But the implication here is too great to ignore. Everyone's dismissed but reicher gives them an all due respect. Sir If we send them back they'll die a meaningless death flash over TASHA CARD BEGET BEG to differ at the Klingon. See them sacrificing their lives for the outpost. That is an act of honor in their culture. And that alone could have prevented this war and this time line will cease to exist once again. Everyone is dismissed leaving the ready room. Tasha given a moment to reflect on it and consider the idea that in a different timeline. Some of them might not even be alive but also she really Kinda likes Casteel and she's worried about him. Yeah and this is. This is the part of the episode where I just kind of let it play out there you go. That's that's I think that's right. There's not much it's just a all right over on the enterprise see Picard telling Garrett about his decision we get more discussion that ends with Captain Garrett herself saying that neither ship logs and the others. Timeline well it turns out a lot of the enterprise. C crew wants to actually go back and return to their own time. Line card confessed to Garrett that starfleet command believes that this war is going to be over within six months ending with the federation surrender. The truth is one more ship here is not GonNa make that much of a difference but twenty two years ago. One ship could have prevented this war before it even started. And that's when Garrett makes her decision they're going back they're going to give the Romulus one hell of a fight and there's a tender moment between yarn castio as they bid each other goodbye the hey you never know if casino survives. No It'd be about fifty years old when Todd montages this age. Suddenly there's an explosion card is back on the D. but Tasha is still over on the sea. It's one Klingon bird of prey. In the brief melee. Captain Garrett is killed and the Klingon ship. Flies away seem so random it does. I don't know I I don't know why we had to kill Captain Garrett except for now again test the Yo command later like happened Because it seemed like the Leon came in and like in less they thought they realized. Oh we'RE GONNA lose. It's two on one. Let's get out of here damage or something because I mean they hit a bunch but other than that. It's like you didn't destroy a ship. You don't know that you killed their captain right. Most likely I mean I I after remind myself that the sensors and scanners are way more accurate than I think they are should be. It's it's I did the Klingons have it out for captain. Garrett I was was that thing. Did they travel through the Wormhole as well? And then kill the captain. So she can't go back and I. It was weird. Yeah it definitely seemed random to me instill seems random to me like on a on a script level but you know this is again where I was going to hear. I think we go back. And we see this is the effect of having everybody in the writer's room and you've got four different minds working on this. They're all trying to solve the problems. And maybe they didn't quite smooth got ninety five percent of the way ship. Let's go yeah and by the way just just a little side note. I did find none of the guys in the Guy and girl guides and girl none of the people in the writer's room were incredibly happy with the script They turned out really really well on screen. But I think the script off to be made there like This is not the. There's there's issues I think honestly this is one of those. But they had to go with it so if that's all I'm complaining about sub soda. Took that big deal that you already said. You're watching this episode again and you act for Castillo is the last remaining senior officer of the C- He is ready to lead them back. But reicher doesn't like it still intends to return unless ordered not to do so but there's instability in the rift and their coordinates would have been transmitted back to the Klingon high command so they can't stay here. The only have a few hours to get to see moving again down in the transporter room. You are in custody or trying to say goodbye again. A few awkward laughs. And there's more than just your average normal everyday goodbye kiss. That is something else right there in front of everybody else at the transporter room but still. There's obviously something on on. Tasha mind Downington. Forward Guidance is looking out the window when she hears the door open without turning around. Can I get you something Tasha? Tasha wants to know what happens to her. And the other timeline. The guy doesn't know all she gets her feelings inklings and guidance feeling about Tasha. She isn't meant to be here she's supposed to be dead. She doesn't know how what she does know is that it was a meaningless death Or we heard that one before. Yeah so this is where I really started to question a few things again. Okay and a a little bit about guidance. Power a little bit Her background a little bit with her relationship with Tasha and like I. I just got this feeling. Well I won. I got the feeling that Tasha was going to mess something up unless guidance. Stop Sir. I didn't know how that was going to play out. It didn't really pan out the way I thought I was going to matter but then they're talking about this. An empty death. Death Law purpose is senseless death and I. I started to wonder if this was either. Tasha regretting asking to be killed type of thing or like I said I haven't seen episode where she actually dies and if it was like the when the writers felt bad about it. It's like that and we could have done better with this. I'm glad you bring that up. Because that's that's actually not okay so just just you know in the episode where she dies. There's this big like black gooey. Pit that like is is a thing like it's a it's an organism and basically it's just a I can control you. I could do whatever you want to look. I'm going to kill that person over there. And he just shoots at snuffs out. Tauscher she just. She's Yvonne like it was a meaningless. Yeah normally that would be an extra on the side of the screen that they kill but because they knew they needed to kill Tasha. It was actually a bridge right so it was a meaningless death now. The writing staff loved the idea of bringing back to. Neisse just so that they could kill off your character again. This was a chance to make it something sure because they really didn't like how it happened. The first time. In fact Ron Moore the guy I talked about earlier. He said yesterday's enterprise was a chance to finally kill her right. So yes what's your feeling right? There is yes and and I think it's I think Tasha emotion to this is is what the writers emotion is to us. And because you think like that was a meaningless death and reiger says hey if we send them back it's GonNa be meaningless. Oh No it's not meaningless. Could stop this war exactly and we give this character a noble death as opposed to just this you know and as soon as they started talking about that. I'm like okay. She's going to have a hand in this and then when they discuss like well okay. She's going to go back like even when she was stuck on the ship when when they're Katherine Kathy Garett died. I'm like okay. She's she's going to be stuck on that ship before they discussed the senseless deaths thing and I. I was thinking like yeah. She's going to be. They're going to have to escape quickly. So she's GonNa be stuck on that ship even though they can be things instantaneously but whatever that that's just what's going to happen and yeah her death will be able to mean something but like show show have play a part but still be gone out of this time line right right and I I like what he says they can kill her rights so Tasha goes to see gap Ricard's request a transfer to the enterprise. See she tells picard. Guinan told her and that she doesn't belong here. There's no logic in the race request. Because she's going to die anyway but at least if Tasha is tactical they're going to have a chance to defend themselves well. She had a meaningless death in the other time line but now she has a chance to have a meaningful death and that's all picard. Needs to hear permission. Granted I do love this idea. And if there's a message that I can pull out of it and I don't know that the writers were intending this particular message. But it's one than that. I like I like doing do something well finish. Well perform. Well do do things well right. And she was like if we're going to go out in a blaze of Glory. Then it's going to be the brightest blaze you've ever seen in your life i. This is a doomed mission. Then damn it. We're going to do it. Great and this is GonNa be amazing and we're gonNA give it all. We got to go through like I love that idea. I love that that piece of listen. We're going to go. We'RE GOING TO DIE. That's fine But this is GonNa be amazing the way we're going to do it and it hearkens back the things that that. I like the movie three hundred. I don't know if you've ever seen that like it's doomed thing. But the way they went out was all you know what I mean like like I. It's IT I can't think of other examples off the top of my head but I know I've seen it. Where so Armageddon Armegeddon you know like like the sack where the sacrifice is just awesome and and so you have something like that so now anyway over on the Sea. Castio seems to be getting the ship in order when he looks over. There's Tasha Yar reporting for duty Sir. She'll take tactical. Seo doesn't want her there for obvious reasons but she isn't backing down so casteel backs down in tells her to take her station as he assumes the captain's chair and it's basically what I expected at that point. So hey listen all. The pieces are set for the final. Act of the of the show Let's get to it. Acts Five and in the words of Kim Grey poupon. That's act five done. Yup that's really all that five was face battle. Yeah Yeah it was just our action sequences we well. I shouldn't say we don't get a lot of ice. I haven't seen much of though you're right. We don't get a lot of these there but not not really to this not this extent however I will say when they planned for this episode. This was the episode that they premiered during what they called sweeps week. I don't know if you're familiar with that term. That's the way they figure out the ratings and stuff you put your best episode out during sweeps week this so that's the one you pump your money into an all your special effects and everything but anyway for for sake when we actually do it properly hugh the cool orchestral war music. The KLINGONS are closing in on their position. The Enterprise d could outrun the KLINGONS but their mission is to protect the and make sure that they get back through the rift. Let's make sure history. Never forgets the name enterprise and I'll stop right there at that line right there. Please do yes. I had to stop and think like wait. Is that the deadline. He used in the intro. Our show Mats Bats. Yes that is the line that we originally had in the INTRO. Music of our show. Okay I turn. If you four you have heard it before and I had to because it's such a great line. Yeah let's make sure history. Never forget the name enterprise except this is how it happens in the show because you gotta pull the clip right orchestral music swelling. Very loud in the background sounds of war happening all around and this is how he goes. Let's make sure history. Never the name enterprise okay. So that was. It was a very hard to put into like Abbott clip from everybody yes. He channeled his inner Kirk. And but but did there's there's the music behind it and I'm trying to like on a production level for us like I'm trying to put that in a bed over the under music that we have playing thoughts. I I totally understand. I just like I heard this before somewhere. I think Oh okay right. Because that's such a great line. Let's make Shaw history. Never forgets the name into this and I mean nobody can deliver that line. Like Patrick Stewart can't like that is that is just a so good? Reiger is back at tactical and they engage the klingons pretty cool nineteen ninety space battle ensues which consumes ninety percent of this act. The Enterprise D is having an effect. But it's also getting its tail whipped. We're just two minutes away from warp core breach but turns out the only needs fifty two seconds to enter the rift so more explosions happen. Reicher dies card hops the banister and takes tactical for himself and spry little fellow. Just the the hop. Oh Hey idea. Just as fire erupts on the bridge. They managed to hold off the KLINGONS. Just as we see the enterprise C reenter. The rift flashback to the bridge of the D. Oh Hey this is the bridge of the D. That we know this is the bridge of the knee that we love. It's bright it's warm. It's cheery and there's a Klingon back tactical turns out it was just a little blip on the scriptures. Oh well it's time to move on guidance. Calls Up to the bridge to make sure everything's okay. It's all fine guidance. Good she smiles as she sits down to have a drink with Georgie Zeh. Jordi told me about Tasha Yar the end but this is even more questions so so it works both ways for I I either don't know enough for just don't remember enough. Button has Guinan actually met Tasha. No no the diaper. They didn't have an overlap. They did not. Guinan came on at the beginning of season. Two Tauscher was killed off in episode seventeen or something like that one. I think when we first saw guidance we possibly the idea like windows guide and actually come on the ship like maybe she's been around with just not gone to that part of the ship yet. Exactly no and actually I think they said very clearly in this episode. Like I'm not supposed to know you or I don't even know I'm not supposed to know who she is. That's kind of why I think they are. They've brought very well especially for people who have been following the show the entire time right. Wh- when she just says you know she says Hello Tasha the in the first time And like Tasha doesn't necessarily think it's weird but Guinan kind of gives us that inflection and say. Oh that's weird I'm not. I am not supposed to know this but I do and And so from from that moment in which was really Kinda reiterated here at the end when when she's asking Jordi up to tell her about Tasha. I didn't I was trying to figure out what she should know what she shouldn't. And how weird this actually is so then like when she brings up she's dead or should be dead. It's like okay. I guess either way. She would know that she could have heard stories about the former officer who died shortly before she came onto the ship or whatever but then I was wondering actually started. Wonder More Y. Guinan didn't bring that up to the captain. Says I thought for sure in my mind like Tasha eventually did kinda mentioned it to the captain and he had an odd reaction which I'll get to in a minute but I thought Guinan was going to bring that up sooner. It's like hey there's this theoretically dead girl on the ship like I thought that was gonna be her more proof to Picard. It's like I need something more I ne- because like right. After I beat something more conversation they come come down and it's like oh there's Tasha like she gives her that look like that's your proof. Go to go again and then when Tasha brings it up and specifically card like she thinks I'm supposed to be dead and he s is reaction. It's like oh she thought it was okay to tell you that or she thought she should tell you that by he knew already right. And who's there always had problems with that line like? I'm not sure what what Picard means. When he says she thought it was okay to tell you that. Wait a minute what what exactly. What are you inferring by that? You know I'm I'm confused here so now I'm with you on that but you know again. I think you're having all the right questions that somebody who's watched this episode for the first time as opposed to have okay like all the okay. What is what is she doing. Get what did we learn here? What is she? I gotta go back and watch this episode again so I can catch. What's actually going now that I know what's happening. I can up on the first half of this episode going back a second time. He's going to be a whole different watch right so all right all right two more production notes Matt and then that's all the things that I have So you know Reicher died. Notice like he had like it wasn't just a plasma and like he had something like embedded going on they they definitely made sure he was dead. Right we knew he was dead so originally he wasn't the only one that was supposed to die. Data and Wesley were also supposed to die Data was supposed to be electrocuted. As say how do you how do you kill an Android selectric Udom? Okay and Wesley was supposed to be decapitated. Oh Yeah can't show that on. Tv. Well for budget and time constraints and all the sort of things and censorship but in the script it actually. That's that's what happened to those two and then I think this is the very first time I've ever actually pulled this out. But there is a goof. The end of this episode. Oh boy there's a continuity error things all right at the very end. When Guinan is talking to Jordan? Which by the way I understand why it couldn't have been more what I really want it to be wharf. I want to book in the episode with her talking to war. Yep I fully expected to be worth right although I do like the idea of seeing Whoopi Goldberg talking to Lavar Burton. Who Lavar Burton was instrumental in bringing Whoopi Goldberg onto the show? It's it's the little like he got last week whenever I talk about locks on a troy talking to the computer. It's her talking to herself share. It's just that that little thing for me anyway Did you notice anything funny about what Georgie was wearing It was short and I I. I had other questions on my mind so I probably didn't notice too much. It was the uniform from the alternate time. Line play so just just a just an error on their party near and it was just like five or ten seconds seen in so I don't think he even necessarily set anything no I Don. I think yeah I think so. It's like Hey Georgia. We need onset for a second or just. Just sit here. She's going to say her line. Wh wrapped hey somebody commit Georgia. You're not doing anything anything. Yeah you know. Rikers got you know. Frac- says the the makeup thing going on? Yeah that's it man. That's that's everything I've got on this show so I feel silly and asking this but I do it every episode. I'll do again. You liked this episode. You're GonNa Watch it again and you understand why this was definitely a must watch episode awesome because when we when we do eventually go to that convention like you listen to. People talk. This is an episode. That could be brought up you. Just hey on yesterday's enterprise in you clear exactly what it does. We're at that point. So would you like to know what the next episode is going to be watching? That would be good in fashion HAPP. Well I wanNA give you all the extra viewings we're GONNA do none cool. I just gave you a ton. We're actually going to the guarantee next episode. We're going to the very next episode. It's called the offspring. Okay and I'm not going to tell you anything else about the offspring other than just to say watch this episode and we'll talk about and it's got major implications for later on so But other than that. I guess that's GonNa do it for us this week. 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Alternate Reality Education | Paul Darvasi and John Fallon

"The presenting sponsor for on Educationist class craft were so excited to announce class crafts new story mode which makes it easy for educators to harness the power of stories but that's not all. Have you ever wanted to see yourself as a character in a story now <unk> out teachers and students can create their custom game avatars and see them come to life on an augmented reality poster to learn more about class craft story load and the new air experience simply visit class craft dot com ability of an orgy when you can live that experience as being told it that's far more powerful welcome to on education part of the education podcast network. Mike Washburn and I'm Glen Irvine Friends. We have an awesome pot for you. Today we would discuss the impact of universities using artificial intelligence to select elect students for admission and the move away from physical textbooks by big companies. We will debate what the right policy is for stupid submitting late work and our guest this week. Our educators palled. They're Bossy at John Fallon new new intro they can do intro well. It was just six letters six words but you know <hes> big news yeah huge news. We've joined the education podcast network. We have lots of friends there. We were glad to to make it happen happen. It took a little while but we were in. It's <hes> it's exciting. Yeah that'd be that if you take a look at the list of the education podcast network it's ridiculous <hes> amazing educators and their podcasts including <hes> Jennifer Gonzales and who else Matt Miller Miller. I mean there's just so many great podcasts on there so to be part of that group is so fantastic so I mean for us. I mean it's just a another way for us to reach reach New People. Ideally I figure you know when people are looking for education podcasts. The education podcast network might be one of the first places they would look so if we're on that list them that gives us a little more <hes> visibility. Obviously it's nice that we have the potential to be shared by other people in the network and make connections there and for people who you may not have listened to a lot of other education podcasts well I mean I in our mind other than a few handful of others who aren't in the network. This is the this is kind of the list of of some of the best education podcasts out there so I if you're looking for a place to go four new podcast this this is probably where it's at right yeah and I mean unfortunately I tunes <music> so populated you know there. If you sort by education it's not really education related a lot of garbage podcast in and so some people are just basically a saying that their education Haitian related but they're really not and so it's a really tough place to find locate a education podcast and this is the place man these this is a variety platter of all kinds of things. They're all really really solid podcasts at some really the Abeysinghe podcasts were super happy to join them. Not a lot is going to change. I mean you heard you know the new the new intro bit there and then in the in the altro <hes> they'll be a little bit more of a substantive you know oh you mentioning of the education podcast network <hes> but you know other than that <hes> all of our information will be up on that site and we've added some stuff to our site about the education podcast network so this is just really exciting just another way for us to grow and gain more listeners and develop more of a community which is what we're trying to do absolutely so San Diego Comic Con. <hes> I think is either just wrapped up or is about to wrapping wrap up in a basically this is one of those things that breaks the Internet on a daily basis with you know whatever new announcement is coming out the other the other day it was the the next phase of the marvel kind of the Marvel Universe's <hes> you know movies and when they're coming out but the other day probably about three or four days ago it was the the dropping of the first real full length picard trailer and we're both kind of giant giant track easer big trekkies. At least I'm giant trekkie. I'd classify myself. This trailer was frigging amazing. I really like the the entire concept of where they're taking the story reline <HES> and I'm so happy this not your typical <hes> Star Trek series because I don't know how that would have went so if they would have just followed the same model which if you don't watch star Trek. There's a lot of modeling one <hes> series follows the next series and there is something to the that kind of sticks to the original but especially like the next generation type of things that <hes> the way that they tell the stories the concepts the way that the adventures go etc so this seems to take it on a completely new direction but yet still has all of our favorite characters brought back and then in a completely new way of Ed by goodness. I think it's only like a three minute trailer. Blur add a lot of information there in a lot of mystery to it too so that's really really exciting for all of US super nerds. There's a there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff in the trailer like you just had so is is the so if you haven't watched it. Watch it. We'll put it in the show notes you can watch it and then you can come back and listen posit now. Go Watch it and then and then come back in and let me ask this question and I don't know if you even thought were going this direction with this thought but the young woman at the start that that they is like the focus of the first few seconds of the of the trailer is that is that Tasha Yar. I'm not sure I mean when I when I just saw you putting that on here it could be. I mean that would fit probably fit this whole entire thing. <hes> I do know though man there's so many great characters coming back I mean just having data back on this thing and then having more and a having some characters <hes> that are from different shows so there was seven of nine <hes> who is a completely different series and she easily defeats shows up as far as on this trailer and so I mean again if you're a star trek birthday you're just you can't wait till twenty twenty and then of course smorgasbord it tell us not till twenty twenty and everybody's just like we're all sad but it'll be amazing so they didn't they didn't mention wasn't shown in the trailer at all but I I know that <hes> it's already. It's been confirmed now. That reicher is going to be appearing in episodes as Reicher but that Jonathan frakes is directing acting some of the episodes he's directed a ton of Star Trek so not just playing Reicher but especially post next generation he probably directed you know ten or fifteen deep space nine episodes. He directed a whole bunch avoids directed a whole bunch of other episodes <hes> so and I think he's directed one episode of discovery so like he's directing a lot of Star Trek. Obviously he's you know a in well-versed person in this universe <hes> and <hes> Deanna Troi is also going to be on the show you know as as as counselor Deanna Troi so those are so it's like a it is literally regulated or banned getting the band back together <hes> of next generation which is exciting now. I I loved discovery. I I know that there are people that didn't I think discovery is awesome. I think they're telling amazing stories and it also does not follow the mold of the Typical Star Trek pattern that for sure was in next generation and voyager were definitely very had a very patterned style and and you know discovery does not fit a pattern like that at all either so and the cinematics and the camera effects and like the all the cinematography of the trailer. Everything was is just awesome yeah so obviously it comes out. We're going to talk about this. Get ready for the nerds come back in twenty twenty whenever they pull up. He's going to be watching these layby. We'll have a play by play of Star Trek. We'll have a on education presents hard. We just break down the episodes super cool. Yes obviously very very excited and it'll be it'll be sweet couple articles that we came across over the last week or so <hes> this one in fast company that will be in the show notes about schools using A._I.. To decide who gets in what what do you think about what do you think about using a computer to to run admissions horrible horrible idea <hes> I can just just first of all they the admissions process we already know is super flood and part of the reason why it's superfly is because of the ability for people to game the system in the way that you game system is one of the easiest ways is by manipulating test scores either having someone what else take the test for you or you do something as far as being able to do something you know within the test themselves and we've basically decided I mean we we thought about <unk> major universities <hes> have gone in this direction. <hes> a where the test scores aren't the end-all actually they are just a one of the many measures and those other measures are basically like personal interviews really kind of getting to know the student whether or not they're qualified to be able to fit into this and so I just don't see artificial intelligence of with just basically a data analysis of a person of a of a student being able to tell whether a student will number one be successful in the college process but also be a contributor to their university setting adding. That's really what you would want someone that can come in and step into roles and really lift up the university <hes> and I it seriously doubt you can find that on any kind of data analysis that had artificial intelligence system would do seems like you know what this seems like is a way to save money so you have our shore. <hes> you have a team of people basically who are part of your admissions team and Mike goodness talk about being able to cut about two jobs in that area of a bunch of ample who actually sort sort through applications and and read through them and discuss in and do all the processes that they do at universities in having a computer just basically do that based solely on information that can be inputted so they were talking about test scores I. I don't know what else you could talk G._P._A.. etc a where you went to university or sorry high school or whatever but most of the data there I just I hate this idea i. Like some other artificial intelligence ideas this ideas like what do you think so I mean I guess the one thing that would be an advantage is that it does potentially assuming assuming that there's not biased built into the algorithm it reduces the bias from the people making the decisions. That's that's one of the big features of this that they're they're claiming is that we've seen the scandal where people were bought off off basically to let people into their schools while I mean you can't buy off a computer program now that being said you know you have to you have to ensure that there's not bias cooked into the system itself <hes> that would be that's my biggest concern. My biggest concern is that you could have schools that say we only want <hes>. We only want you know middle to <hes> middle middle class has to wealthy white families from you know the suburbs of Chicago that is like our target market and so they you give extra kind of points or whatever in in the Algorithm for white people from the suburbs of Chicago that make that have household incomes over one hundred fifty or two hundred thousand dollars you know and you could cook that right into your system so that you're you're already giving being <hes> people who would <hes> have potential and <hes> no they could do well in university <hes> already putting them at a disadvantage because the algorithm basically automatically dismisses you because you don't meet that criteria. That's the super big danger of of a system that doesn't have a personal personal touch to it. Get all that was making it says within the article <unk> you should read it <hes> they creator of this of the startup basically says that you we can't trust humans human bias. We're going to trust this artificial intelligence at Ed that type of thing so it's a I have a hard time with that. I made I understand there is human bias in a lot of different things in a lot of aspects but would you trust the humans in admissions or where are you going to trust this program. This created in that's for me. It's super hard especially because there are so many aspects of admissions that should not be based upon a pure test scored. I just named some of them. Especially those types of things that involve you personally having to step out <hes> whether it be a formal interview online type of interview where they get to actually talk to you just like an interview for a job you can put whatever you want on an application it might get you to the next step to be able to get to the interview review. Once you hear someone talk at interview. That's where the decision is. Made doesn't even matter if on a paper this person looks amazing talking to them and saying is this going to be part of our organization in this case a university this person that's GonNa contribute we can and we get something a feeling of you. That's an important part of of I think of of life interviewing through processes whether it be about jobs or university settings because you know you can get a better feel for somebody rather than just cut us some statistical stuff on paper one of the one of the interesting parts in this article talks about so we've talked about something like self segregation before how communities move into into <hes> communities communities that are similar to them whether this be you know race or whatever <hes> wealth for example fenced off little fenced off school districts with one public school and one high school you know for wealthy people basically to to create their own little school board. This stuff happens all the time so the problem. It's it's a problem in they've also addressed it as a feature of the system where you know if so if you specify zip code for example and and that's best that that ZIP code happens to be in in a in a neighborhood it it's supposed to flag it as hey you know you're specifically targeting a neighborhood that is self segregated in one way shape or form that could inject bias into your into your applications or the other the other one is <hes> flagging for things like personal relationships and stuff like that. It seems like they've thought a lot of a lot of these things. I think that it's worth you know giving it a shot and seeing you know how it actually works in a couple of years. I'd be interested in knowing you know where we're rat three or four years from now with this <hes> because because you know it's a little early to pass you know brutal judgment on something like this but there is something to be said for the personal touch being able to talk talk to a person face to face and learning about who they are and what they would bring to your school and the future potential that they have as a student. That's there's nothing better than that and no machine can assess. Is that this other article that came up not an article sorry. It was a twitter post. <hes> from Jennifer Gonzalez basic just was amazing and actually is a podcast on the education podcast networks pedagogy there you go. We're we're already plugging exact and it's it's talking about teachers struggling with handing in late work whether you deduct points to keep track back and kind of letting us know letting her know what works this. This is going to make a great question on chat on education will will be will be putting that out there because we I'd love to know to in this is to be honest. This is something thing I struggled with and probably something as I'm reflecting on my past and actually I mentioned this on. I think it was on the t lap chat or it might have been another chat last week and I talked about how I had had. I had students who failed my class and I allowed that to happen and I almost I and I didn't have a problem with it at all and I'm rethinking whether that was a a good thing or not you know Oh as I'm sitting here reflecting on my experiences as a classroom teacher I mean did you did you deduct for late work as a Spanish and have Spanish teacher and and it is this this along with <hes> <hes> just grading in general <hes> I think are the things that really burn at your soul as a teacher because those is different amid this along maybe classroom management is the is is another aspect of this because there's no easy solution to this. <hes> there is no one right answer so there's a lot of things that <hes> people are responding with on a Jennifer Gonzalez's post here that are actually really really a good ideas and I'd like to hear more of other people that do these kinds of things for example <hes> where student would if they submitted something late they could go ahead and say they could turn in a form and maybe even have their parents sign the form arm. I've seen I saw a couple of people talk about this basically say hey. I missed this due date especially when we're talking about the things that would really bother me. Is Those summit. If things a big project like in your class I mean what are you GonNa do with the student. That doesn't actually do the thing that you've been working on the whole entire time and turn it in by the date that it's actually do in this case. They have the form where basically you're requesting an extension in. I plan to turn this in. Here's why it's late it kind. GotTa make more human aspect of this her more human part of the of this conversation and this is the type of stuff that actually is allowed at university settings so I'm all for those kind of solutions where you're like. Okay something happened. Let's come up with a solution so that we can move forward and and again so you don't fail the class just like you just finished describing because that's horrible I mean what a horrible feeling. You're like ABS. Kids just didn't pass but really. I don't even know if they actually learn anything because they just didn't submit the the thing whatever that was yeah. I can honestly say the kids who the kids who failed my my class were given opportunity upon Hon Opportunity upon opportunity upon opportunity to submit their work to to to to come after class to I that I mean I spoke to their pair. I would have spoken to their parents multiple multiple multiple multiple times. I would've sat with them and like I would have done everything. I thought I needed to do in order to have a student be successful. Yeah like I wouldn't fail kid out of pride or look the the power that I wield now. <hes> you know I'm not that type of person. There are those types of people. I'm not one of those types of I think those people are far and few between I very very rarely except of like exactly like you. You're like <hes> we need something. You need that artifacts learning. You need to get it. Did I did have one time Mike that I wanted to share where a year I took on thing where I was like okay. I'm not gonNA have any due dates so so you can turn it all of your stuff at the end of the semester and they would still count <hes> for the most part all of my students still follow the exact same thing I would say eighty percent. Maybe higher ninety percent of my students just did what they were supposed to do on a timely basis <hes> but there was some students who at the end did turn in a whole bunch of stuff and it really tore at me. I was like <hes> this was a bad decision version <hes> and and I felt bad for the students who had actually done all the work up to that point I felt bad for myself and my family because now had two great all of this stuff and give it a fair chance as far as <hes> did. They actually pick up this things what for those things and a lot of times. That's just not realistic <hes> just because we need to know we need timely data to be able to make adjustments to our teaching etc.. We talk about that all time formative assessment and then change our teaching to fit in adjust where we need to be moving with our students a differentiate for them but if we don't find out all of that until the very end you really can't do any of that adjustment. I had to any of that stuff so that actually blew up in my face and I was you know I I tried a lot of things while I was teaching. I could tell you that that one for myself it just didn't work out. I know for some people they actually do have systems like that and that kind of feels like this where if we don't have a due date as humans are we less likely to go ahead and just turned something. Do we need that due date for some of us to be able to compel us to be like oh I need to get. I needed prioritize this. We prioritize up all the time in life yep stuff that czar calendar stuff. That's here here. We need to put them into the right things. If it's not on your calendar if it's not on your to do list do you ever just do it. You know so that's the biggest question here and that's <hes> I would love to hear what people have to say on chat on. Education about this specific thing because it's more it's super complex in really burns at our souls is teachers yeah. There's definitely not one. I don't feel like there's a good answer. Not Sorry I feel like there are multiple. Good answers is I guess is what I'm actually trying to say is that there's not one be all and end all answer to this and it depends on so many things there was someone who posted a like <hes> a couple people actually in this chap posted things like a late work explanation form that I've actually pulled out of the sky and a Lincoln in the show notes so that you can you really get a look at it. If you want want to use it I I love the accountability piece of of having students hand things in on in time and be responsible for their working doing it when it needed to be done I mean <hes> you and you can frame it in a couple of different ways. I mean even as a teacher. Your time has value and if you you know are are assessing thing you know something that was three months ago and you have to go back out and get all the the things that you need to do this or whatever I mean. There's a pattern in a rhythm to the school year. That's disrupted by late work and <hes> you know so there's lots and lots of things to talk about when it's related to this <hes> and it's not as easy as you know who cares when kids hand things and it's all about mastery. I mean that sounds great. I I love it. You know that's a nice thing to put on the inside of a book about you know I know Hashtag Hashtag. It's for the kids or whatever all kids right right right. Kids are awesome and the practicality of <unk> ads it is really can get really ugly and I'm telling you right now to that some students and their parents and and who can blame them will really resent you those kids that actually did do what they were supposed to do. In a timely manner in the did the stuff you know whatever might be there could be some backlash on that too so that's the reason why this discussion needs to be had. It's one of those topics that just burns at your soul doesn't matter almost like which decision you decide to make almost almost all of them have the positives and the negatives that come along with them. It's complicated listen. We wouldn't be having the congress that they were easy. <hes> so it's complicated just like everything else friends and and we have another complicated conversation coming up after the break when we come back textbook companies have been facing challenges for a lot of years and and we don't really do them any favors on this show either and hopefully the beginning of some some big changes has just started so we'll talk about that when we come back next stay with us on education is brought to you by pick my kid pick. My kid is an automated dismissal solution that cuts carline time in half it engages parents with the APP by being able to change dismissal routines right from their phone friends that means no more front office calls pick. My Kid is affordable for schools and removes dismissal stress for parents teachers and staff breath for more information visit. Pick my kid dot com that's P._i.. K. Mike Kid dot com all right. Welcome back to the show. Everybody Pearson is a pretty big name in textbooks and and they just announced a couple of days ago that they're going to adopt what they call a digital first approach updating higher ed course materials and I'm quoting now meaning that any revisions or changes to textbook content will we'll happen I in their digital versions I mean textbooks have been a racket for a while. They have been and I I mean I'm not so far out of my timing university to remember spending thousands of dollars on textbooks crazy <hes> and then you know you know a couple years later the same textbook revisions two point oh or whatever is is one hundred dollars more an and they changed you know where the periods are in some of the sentences updated a couple of the pictures. This is a more modern version of a tent instead of this yes attent and the thing yes totally and I mean we even even when you get the digital versions so Mike <hes>. I don't know if you were. I'm sure you were sometimes buying digital versions of these textbooks. You got the borrow them you ever do that. You read them for a year or semester. Whatever might be still cost? You like seventy or eighty dollars or you get the C. D.. Do you remember when Ross Baby. Yes we forgot about C._D.. Roms and then they and then they frame it as being modern right. Oh that's that's exactly what a lot of this is too often. We see in these textbooks we we did purchase quite a few at my previous school digital versions of textbooks and is specifically the ones that have to do with math are basically p._d._f.. Copies of your physical textbook which is just just so stupid and so expensive I mean they may say Oh yeah but you get the digital version above obliged at cheaper price but there is no it doesn't have some you know our abilities to do things nowadays as we've talked about on the show <hes> with all kinds of different things whether became based learning <hes> all kind aug project based learning whatever might be digital versions of things three D animations to be able to kind of immerses into learning are available for us to be able to do that in and textbook companies to invest in and to be able to include glued them as part of their books yet so often. It's the same textbook of a p._D._F.. Except as a p._d._F.. Copy of stagnant P._D._F.. Copy of the book so that you could see it. Many of the students that <hes> at least in my previous district district hated the digital version of things they wanted the physical textbook they're like this is stupid and we had one to one devices. <hes> many educators hate the digital versions of the aspects of the books themselves <hes> whether it be because they're <hes> they feel a sense of the physical textbooks something to it or whatever it might be. It just doesn't feel like you're getting that much for it so I hope that they're moving past that really that the that these digital textbooks experts become immersive environments for learning rather than just same old same old. <hes> you know <hes> that's been produced for the last however many years the racket of textbook companies has been going which has been a lot of years. The irony of this is that is that the use of print textbooks while there's two ironies I often one of them. We've already mentioned that this isn't so much about it being better for learners as it is being better for Pearson to save money any yes <hes> Pearson is shedding jobs and and and revenue like it's crazy <hes> so people are catching up to the idea that you know <hes> they're they're adding limited value to you what is happening in in the class <hes> but the the second irony is actually worse than that's that <hes> the driver for the continued desire for print books is faculty. It's it's it's not it's not the students and it's not the the need to for a better learning situation or or knowledge acquisition <hes> it's it's because <hes> there are still thousands and thousands of professors out there that that live in the stone ages and I want you know to hand out textbooks. I I don't know what the ultimate driver of something like this whether it's because it's their bodies that right the textbooks and they get caught I mean there is some of that some of that there is some motivation to selling books in this industry for sure <hes> we know people who have books being offered in school courses so I mean that's part of it but I'll tell you that it's just like everything else. We've just said today. We've said it a million times today. It's complicated friends by you know the the idea of the faculty are the driver for print books is just kind of blows my mind a little bit the <hes> the great stories that elected tell as far as in k through twelve education our districts that at now it's been six to eight years now that have moved away from textbook companies and move towards open education education resources some of which they've actually created. There's a school in Byron Minnesota and southeastern Minnesota who basically is at the forefront of flipped education for math classrooms in what they did is said we can't actually afford these new textbooks looks nor do we actually want to invest their monies into them. Can't we just develop our own curriculum with the state standards there and then develop key videos and and resources for students that actually we teach towards the specific things and they made it happen and they've continued to make a habit and guess what each year they upgrade their version so they're they're not using the same old thing they used eight years ago. They continue to upgrade it in and and and key the N. on the things that work in the work and have done an amazing job now. Let's specifically in mathematics. I wonder if there's other examples out there that have <hes> you know things as far as in the sciences I know that <hes> you know the open. Education resources in sciences are actually growing a lot too and C._k.. Twelve is a fantastic company that gives you all kinds of open resources there <hes>. I just wonder if there's some really good stories out there. People said you know what we can go with the alternative the Big Textbook Company and it's actually being successful. Our students are still doing well on whatever types of assessments that are being given and we don't need these specific textbooks from these big book companies these huge investments in these things whether it be digital or physical we can create our own so that back conversation that really fascinates me and I want to make sure we we reach out to people who are doing it so that more people can connect to that. How do you do Cassuto how do you how do you basically circumvent Pearson and then get get get to get to a place where you can just create the materials or you can use them from open resources and then still have a high quality of resource? That's the biggest concern concern I think for teachers they WANNA make sure we have high quality resources so I mean I this is a fight for survival for Pearson this is them fighting back and nothing nothing should surprise you about this transition position <hes> but one point three billion dollars in revenue in two thousand eighteen. Let's hope let's hope that the pressure that is that comes from this need to <hes> shift <hes> brings about some need or some innovation in in ways and the old hey guys use the money to do actual cool stuff not not just take your take your tax books photocopy them and put them in the ass and then say hey look at us going digital yes. I you know it's IT'S I. I'M NOT GONNA call a tough love because it's not love necessarily but I'm going to say you know this. Hopefully you know you you learn that you know you can't it just shove stuff out into the world and and say look at us and here it is <hes> you know digital or not. We we talk a million times about you know games based learning done by done by people who aren't. Aren't delivering a properly or you know can't can't do it right or or don't get a p._d._f.. is still not a good learning experience while listen newsflash but a digital textbook is still a frigging textbook guys so take that one point three billion and put it into some. Hey all health I mean I'm sure I'll help to write and we and we have friends are squad his large and and talented so so you know get in touch if you need somewhere to spend some of that that that sweet sweet textbook money 'cause 'cause listen pudding photocopying your sheets and then putting them in p._d._f.'s and then saying we're going to update them now all the time well. I mean that's just frankly it's just not good enough now. When we come back we're going to be joined by our good friends? Apollo Dr Bossy and John Fallon so stay with us on education is brought to you by Taylor Ed s teachers meeting. The needs of each in every student in today's classroom is time consuming complicated overwhelming killer Ed makes differentiation in math effortless through curated resources smart student grouping and student insights beyond proficiency sign up today using the Promo Code on education and received three months on us visit Taylor Dash Ed Dot Com for more information our I welcome back to the podcast. Everyone one of our next guests gets named dropped in about half the episodes <hes> Paul Darby is an author speaker and teacher from Toronto Ontario practically my neighbor and as well he is the CO author of an amazing alternate reality game for students based on Digital Citizenship and privacy see with our other guests John Fallon. John is a teacher curriculum developer in game designer from Connecticut. Welcome to the show fellows. Thank you thank you. I'm glad to finally beyond big Fan so one we do quick introductions just in case <hes> nobody has <hes> met you guys or or been introduced to you before so go ahead. Why don't we start with Paul and then we'll do John sure <hes> thanks Mike? I'm a High School English and Media Studies teacher from Toronto Ontario and I am doing <hes> lots of work with games. I incorporate them. I incorporate commercial video games into classrooms. <hes> I designed Alternate Reality Games and I write and speak about games and learning and culture at my name is John Fallon. I'm a English teacher. At fairfield Connecticut. I also designed Alternate Reality Games James <hes> with Paul and I and I as an English teacher also use a lot of commercial video games narrative video games in class to study as tax and yet I I tend to speak a few times a year about games and learning coming up different types so guys a lot of our audience probably has no idea what alternate reality game even means <hes> and so far ideas that may have not ever heard of this. Can you give us like the One oh one of alternate reality games and maybe even how there used an education so an alternate reality game is an immersive game that sort of blends the digital with the real world and players who are involved in these games are there are accessing the narrative through all types of different places it could be poster as it could be false websites getting phone calls in the middle of the night so it's essentially almost like playing a video game in the real world and in some cases if they're well done and the boundaries between the real world and the game should be fairly blurry yeah. It's definitely a type of game that uses real world platforms so if you can communicate with it in real life instant messages <hes> <hes> websites social media you know envelopes taped under desks in the classroom you can use it as part of the game and Paul's right a big part of it the fun of playing these Games as it <hes>. It's very the easy to kind of pretend that it's actually happening in the real world and that BLERTA's of of the real in the fiction of the game is is definitely a big draw of it John. How did you guys meet so so? I think that this is a neat story and this kind of leads us into the next question I'll ask but how did you end Paul get together to do what we're gonNA. Talk about here. This game that you guys made <hes> yeah because it's it's definitely a director related alternate reality Games so jeeze coming up on seven years or so <hes> something like that we both had attended the Games in education conference which is actually a coming up on August nineteenth the twentieth and <hes> I just signed up because I had done this alternate reality game with my students based around the Odyssey <hes> and it was this whole kind of game where I wanted them to get the feeling of solving puzzles and using your wits so I wanted to simulate that for them so <hes> I built this thing where they were solving these puzzles and riddles parallel to reading in studying the Odyssey in class and it was great and I just Kinda done an fit having seen some alternate reality game puzzles in a different context within <unk> M._O.. Called the secret world so that was kind of my initial inspiration where I realized you could kind of <hes> import these puzzles experiences in many different contexts including the classroom so I just kind of done it on a whim and they sorry they built out a huge Argh in advance of the game coming out to like a massive argh yeah and I believe they still have a commercial one running called the secret watchman and there's actually another spin off that they did that cybersecurity focused called nineteen four which on my plate a little bit and I've got to go back in and check it out but I thought it was the only kind kinda crazy one doing these types of things and sure enough I go there and I'm standing in line by the shuttle and I'm reading the the program and I see that there's this other guy the polar of Aussie whose alternate reality Games in his English class and Mike How wow that looks really interesting and Paul sitting right next to me <hes> in line for the shuttle and insulin. We instantly clicked you know we like the same literature we're nerdy nerdy about <hes> a lot of the same things and of course we both <hes> were experimenting with this Wacky way of doing games in class and you know by the end of the conference we already dedicated to trying to figure out a way to do things together very very cool cool <hes> so you guys made a game so <hes> <hes> you you got together and designed a game that kind of surrounds digital citizenship security personal safety kind of online online privacy so Paul Paul. Maybe break down the game that you guys made you guys made this game called blind protocol so the steps in the process and kind of what actually happens like the game itself sure so the John and I you know after we realized we had the shared passion and and shared kind of intellectual space <hes> decided well. How can we kind of draw forces and create an alternate reality game? That's GonNa involve both of our schools and one thing that John and I share in common is is that we really <hes> were interested in the idea of privacy and surveillance and data mining <hes> and we both felt that not enough was being done to prepare kids for for you know the the the the degree of surveillance surveillance corporate state-sponsored surveillance going on in our midst and and it's very important literacy and the kind of digital literacy repertoire that we felt needed to be attended to so we combine this idea of wanting to create an alternate reality a game between our schools and instructing on privacy and surveillance <hes> and started working on an idea for a game and it started with a few little seeds <hes> and we also wanted to incorporate in artificial intelligence element spent the better part of two years years <hes> creating documents having skype conversations and working through the details of the game that we eventually launched <hes> two years later it was <hes> it was by media studies class and John's English class who who would essentially be pitted against each other <hes> and the game is fairly involved. It's fairly complex. It goes on for thirty days and I think the best way to kind of immerse you into into the world of this game is is what we call a rabbit hole. It's the kind of opening salvo that lets the kids know that they are now in a completely different space and the kids are not prepared. They're not told they're going to be playing a game and in fact John and I never admit that there's a game going on we even amidst the game we we pretend that we are as much a victim of what's going on as they are and then we're kind of trying to navigate this really complex situation that evolves over thirty days so on the first day I tell my students that we're going to learn about privacy and surveillance for media studies class us. John Does the same thing in parallel with his English class. They walk into the classroom. <hes> we talk a little bit about privacy and surveillance and I throw in a Ted Talk Radio and about halfway through the Ted Talk Video I get a phone call as John also gets a phone call. This is all happening and I looked very concerned. I say a few things and then I storm out of the classroom with the video. Pause then the students mystified as to what is going on <hes> while they're waiting about two minutes after the videos been paused the video unpopular causes itself <hes> there's this kind of ruptured screen this kind of electrified screen and then there's an alert to check their emails all of a sudden the laptops all start flying open because we we both have one to one laptop schools and they have a an email that's been sent from inside of the school server but entity named Horace and they don't know of this is a person and institution the to Shin But they have no idea and horace <hes> the horace email <hes> links them to a video very disturbing video <hes> which basically says that they have been watched that horace knows everything about them and that they've now been indoctrinated terminated into a series of events that they have to follow her. They have to pursue and the accompanying email has a binary puzzle where they have to decode binary <hes> that leads them to the Four Cardinal Points of the school where they have to find these digital canopic jars were they put clues together eventually finding a sarcophagus that's buried in the center of the school and when they present busy there's a there's a there's a there's a you U._S._b.. Stick inside that has a document catch that basically unloads all of the information they need for the next step in the game John You want to take over from there for a bit yes sure and so as you might have picked up the game has this kind of pseudo Egyptian <hes> theme <hes> to Kinda Kinda. Give it like a cohesive aesthetic <hes> minutes very like cyber punky where you know there's no doubt affords and jars but the Real U._S._B.. Sticks hidden files that type of thing <hes> so it's just kind of part of the aesthetic of the game <unk> the loop the kids in and <hes> yeah so this kind of first experience is is somewhat typical for the Air Jay experience because if you're anyone in the audience is trying to imagine how do you play the game will one of. the main challenges and interfaces of of an alternate reality game is kind of collaborative puzzle solving where you have this thing that seems completely opaque and kind of <hes> unsolvable and you don't really know what's going on but gradually the group begins to work their way through it so as paul mentioned there's this binary code they saw that there's a riddle at leads them the one place and then they realized that oh we have actually four different variations of the same puzzles or working in different teams to eventually kind of <hes> you know <hes> descend on the on the final puzzle once they put it all together and you know one of the versions iran is actually under a lunch table in the center of the cafeteria so i remember watching from afar as they're all eating launch in the student is kind of trying to surreptitiously walk over to a lunch table on his this feeling under the you know he grabs a manila manila envelope it's been duct tape there and then kind of you know scurry so the corner to unlock it which kind of had the initial phase of the game so once they've done that and they've been on boarded so to speak into the what we call the program capital apple ty- capital p. <hes> their next step it is a is a research phase so horace you know the students are really know this in it's only kind of implied through the last version of the game but he are are it is a that has gone rogue and of course what what the a._i. wants is information so they get the document that has all these different topics within cybersecurity in everything from you know edward it snowed in to <hes> data-mining no privacy on social media you know data breaches all these different topics that you know increasingly are are in the news every day <hes> anywhere from the political ramifications too personal ones in all these different contexts and they have to start accumulating information about them and so once they've accumulated all these different <hes> kind of data points the articles youtube videos <hes> <unk> under these different tags they can then move on to the next phase <hes> so it's kind of like dislike mad rush for information <hes> and then once they have that <hes> <hes> then they can begin <hes> turning that information into actual artifacts information <hes> that <hes> paul you can talk more about the actual artifacts phase sure and john very deliberately designed dying this to work like a video game in the sense that they have to both we both we designed it to try to create a collective experience and an individual experience you have to do individual work but you have to pull your work collectively to achieve a certain threshold and then dot unlocks the next phase so they're kind of rushing through to get these phases accomplish and once they have the what you know this kind of this where they've gathered this massive amount of data related to privacy and surveillance that becomes kind of pool of resources that they draw from in order due to start producing artifacts and what starts getting revealed <hes> between the the second and third phase is that there's a there's a very dramatic moment where this entire time my students have thought that they were the only ones that have been going through this they have no idea that there's another school and other class or anything like that and then all of a sudden unders reveal where it becomes very apparent that somebody somewhere else in the world or group of people somewhere else in the world has been put through exactly the same steps steps that they have and then the game is who can uncover the location and identity of their opponents i and the first to be uncovered then is the losing team in the first one covers the winning team yeah so in order to do do this <hes> john and i found a catalog that was leaked by edward snowden that belong to the n._s._a. where it was basically <hes> all these goodies that the n._s._a. can buy in order to hot computers i'm listening on calls and and so we model the catalog that was very much like that where we created about seventeen protocols or eighteen protocols that our students could buy to open up small windows into their opponents world they by the by using bitcoins and the bid coins are earned by producing artifacts based on their privacy and surveillance research so for example they have a huge catalog of the artifact and the the bitcoin value for each artifact and they'd say okay you produce a brochure on password protection will pay you eighteen bitcoins if you produce a poster on t._v. cameras and identity theft will produce we'll give you twenty five bitcoins so they would start accumulating bitcoin at which point in the fourth phase they withdraw from their bank accounts to buy a certain protocol one of my favorites is the street sign protocol which forces your opponent to take a picture of a street sign which is within two kilometers or two miles of where you're in you stirred triangulating from these little bread crumbs of information and and and eventually trying to put it all together other to figure out where your opponents are and it's really awesome about this is of course the students don't suspect that their opponents are in another country they think oh it's another classroom in the school or is the school down the street like they think it's you know they're thinking local not global so as it starts becoming apparent that this is kind of an international situation it really kind of it's a it's a big moment for them like wow it's actually not in our own backyard it somewhere else in the world the so get so curious about how much you guys had a guide the students or did you plan for pitfalls or issues as they came up i mean there's two of you working towards the thing so you can kind of bounce ideas off each other as the game was progressing was there any i mean if someone was trying to do this imagine there's points where the students it's kinda get stuck or they they don't know what to do next is that something that's that happened yeah absolutely so i i think a good <hes> kind of head space that would act kind of reflect how we saw a role we were definitely kind of like game masters dungeon masters where you know we had plans and we had expectations and they were largely met but there were definitely times where pollen i had to kind of improvise and kind of troubleshoot troubleshoot in the moment but they were relatively minor <hes> and there were definitely things that we looked at right away and we're like okay we can fix that next time that that that aspect of the game did not work out and we'll change it and other times it's just like it's you know it's it's a moments that are true for teaching any unit you know you you think it's going to work and then it doesn't because the chemistry of the group is different or the suit the students are different so oh it's definitely one of those things where you do have to think on your feet a little bit but i would say that's that's true of any good dynamic teaching experience but yeah paul and i were in contact pretty much constantly throughout throughout the game <hes> you know your frantically text messaging each other and and comparing how things were you know <hes> unfolding on either end of the spectrum but <hes> that to me that that was a lot of fun you know that that makes it exciting and i and i do want to go back to something that paul said that was a big thing we got in the data from the students when we got feedback after both times that we ran it and that was really really liked the artifact creation phase even though so that was what you would kind of like if you had to point like well what's the work that they're doing the work you know you know they're they're creating <hes> you know a surprise another a number of them actually chose to do kind of traditional research style papers you know <hes> because those were weighted very high you know if you did that you add basically you were almost done with your bitcoin requirements <hes> and <hes> so you know but they actually really really enjoyed that in here here's an anecdote that i think kind of reflects that is because it gives them a lot of freedom and something that they don't usually really get <hes> and so the <hes> the students were were beginning to work on this i think this was probably the first or second day they were in the stays and i'd student and i kept looking over at him he he was always kind of looking at other videos or content other than the topic that he had told me he was interested in i can't remember what it was you know passwords are or maybe some hacker collective and <unk> i walked over josh what would you do the clock is ticking you can't and he was like no i'm sorry mr foul but keep a can't stop op looking at these videos about bitcoin it's so interesting you know like the real world bitcoins the cryptocurrency yeah yeah i was like josh you do realize that you could just have been bitcoin th right is what i can oh wow okay they are then he immediately then started realizing that he actually had that freedom to pursue the direction that he wanted to do ended up creating a very interesting video about bitcoins <hes> but yet so they really responded to having that freedom that within the umbrella of cybersecurity and privacy and surveillance and technology they could study do whatever they want and also <unk> almost any form that they wanted <hes> and that was a really valuable learning experience for them and i should know for the audience that's something that you could do even without the context of an alternate reality game you know giving students more choice more freedom i think as cortisol is always went absolutely can the i'm curious about the replay the playability of of this specific game can it be canopy done again i guess depending on the age and grade of the classes that you use it with at your school i mean i might be concerned about them sharing sharing the older kids that have already done it with with newer kids i haven't done it yet but do you guys have enough public resources on what you did that someone else could borrow the idea from you guys to do it has that has been done have you thought about doing any of that work i guess that's that's the first question and and i might i might lead into something else <hes> depending on your answer here so it's a very astute question because because the the issue is that the wind condition for the game is uncovering the opponent school so all of a sudden once we play once <hes> there's an institutional memory that it's the school in connecticut or the school in toronto right a. and the students talk right there the board like there there's a collective consciousness john i knew that we were up against that so in both of our cases we played this with students that were either on the verge of graduating in my a case the great elevens and in john's case john's case the grade nine which was graduating year for his school so what we would do is we staggered the play every two years and it worked i mean we with the second time we ran it there <unk> and then to the second part of your question you know I I struggle a lot with our traditional notions of scale scale ability. It's kind of one of my one of the things I think about a lot because I it certainly not a game where we share the template and and any teacher can just pick it up and play this is organically grown from a lot of work and passion the John and I put into it and and a lot of it is hinged on our our sensibility our love of A._R.. Geez <hes> and and this thing that we he crafted and it's certainly not in any easy form where we could send you all the hundreds of documents and catalogues and then you could order that in a way that makes sense for you but it certainly would be a very different experience however I do feel that of the alternate reality a game that I've been involved in designing and the John has been involved in designing this one definitely with a little help with software and some some some more deliberate design elements could be scalable on a more traditional sense because one of the faults of the game says is that John and I are invested in making it work. We want our students to have a great experience but if I was you know competing against another class in the states and I was partisan to my own class and I knew that John was in Connecticut I start dropping little hints. It's like Oh you may WanNa look on the eastern seaboard or whatever the case may be so and in order to give my Canadian students the wind condition right in in the sense of competition so I think if this were to be enacted on a larger scale there would be almost a clearinghouse clearinghouse that would that would pair up schools but the schools wouldn't know even the teachers involved wouldn't know where the other school was and therefore the teacher could also be involved in the fun of trying to uncover and figure out where their opponents are and I think I would create the version of the game and then and then refining some of the design elements which currently would be a little bit overwhelming or burdensome for the uninitiated teacher to make it a little bit more fluid and easier to implement and I think one thing that I'll add onto that is that aired us themselves you know when Pollen I present these other teachers and we talk about it. It can seem intimidating in some ways it is but in some ways it's not <hes> you know it's it's very much like a a Lego set Paulin. I created this both out of our own interests and our own logistics on our own culture over schools and there's a wide scale of complexity and content that you can do with this so if a teacher is listening collect all men. This sounds like such a great learning experience but I couldn't do that because of X Y and Z. That's okay what you could do. You could definitely create something smaller that does work in your classroom and then once you kind of see an action when you have a little bit of taste of what the experience is like. It's very easy to build from there. which is exactly what happened with Paulin? I you know we had our own experiences with Air Jeez in than we have joined forces and created. There's other experience but it's definitely not the starting point. You know if you if you see online you know one of those crazy thousands of pieces custom Millennium Falcon lego constructions. You know you don't start there with Legos. You know you try something a little smaller so that's definitely the entry point that I would. I would suggest if if you kind of get in or find it <hes> an exciting prospect your classroom so your next project is the duke blow of A._R.. Jeez yeah you very much could start there that you wanted to for sure so so why a our I mean why you there are tons of resources on digital citizenship on online safety on privacy. I mean Google. Did this whole like Internet awesome thing. It's a whole curriculum you could you could have taught us a million different ways what what's the big picture of Alternate Reality Games as far as like students go uh-huh and teaching and learning why why use this. It's a lot more work than than just you know cribbing Google Internet awesome curriculum and and and printing out worksheets and why hi this so <hes> from from the Word Perspective Air Jeez. Are you know at least the ones I've been involved in our an enormous amount of work but it's also a labor of love. I I love designing. I love creating these experiences and I think John feels exactly the same way so the work doesn't feel like work. It just feels like play for us because we're putting together this this this amazing experience and we're drawing from different sources and and really trying to create something cohesive but but on a more practical terms as to why would you want to consider this over a more traditional lesson is first of all it really draws from a school of experiential learning right in the sense that that learning these concepts and the abstract where okay yeah it should be a little more careful with my password or you know I put information formation out into the world that that makes me vulnerable to being found is kind of something you could learn in a video and write a test about and move on with your life but but what's interesting about this game is the way the teams have lost when a team has been found out or somebody it's it's all because of things that they've left on facebook or information available online so it's not just the IT'S A it's a marriage of form and content where they're they're actually seeing in a very tangible and lived way that the information that's out. They're actually makes them vulnerable right so yeah so and and the the other element is I think it goes back to the rabbit hole that I described earlier as I walked out of the class ten minutes after this thing started as John did and we never walked back in so that tells you is is that this thing runs on its own and it goes back to something I heard Michelle King say at a conference a few years ago she said I don't teach I create the conditions. We're learning takes place. I think a well-designed A. R. G. Does exactly that I mean there's a lot of talk about not being the sage on the stage and and being the guide on the side and you know and student centered learning <hes> but unfortunately the lecture style physical structures of our schools in classrooms no matter how hard you try really perpetuate that very teacher centered <hes> dynamic as hard as you try to struggle against it and there's many people doing really great things that are that are eroding thought that structure I but an air G. is a really highly designed immersive experience and the design eliminates the teacher as a central role and I think that when properly done it just creates a very dynamic <hes> very a self selected learning experience for the students that really start shifting the teacher from kind of a repository of knowledge to somebody who's an an experience in instructional designer. Yeah there's a couple of great points. <hes> <hes> that <unk> Paul may like to add onto and one is when it comes to the topic of Cybersecurity and privacy and surveillance. I hope this doesn't offend any listeners or maybe even previous guests have your podcast but the there's the mythos I like the digital native when it comes to our students is completely false you know in a lot of the Times that we look at our students in their snap chatting you know and they're doing all kinds of things that we look at. We don't understand at all and we kind of give this idea that oh they must really know what they're doing on their they don't they're absolutely clueless. The have a few really specific skills that they know all because they've grown up with them but as far as big picture stuff you know there is clueless as anybody else but they are far more exposed so we definitely felt an onus to to really make sure that they had a bit more awareness and Paul's exactly right you know it's one thing to be told that your privacy is very fragile and that a group strangers could find and do anywhere in the world with a few breadcrumbs of information. It's another to really experience it <hes> and in both cases of the Times that we ran the game all the teams were always found out they were you know it was just a matter of who was able to expose the other team I <hes> and in both cases they found out the location of the other team with two pieces of innocuous information and in one case it was <hes> ah a street sign and a Google picture of their campus and they were able to buy Rhone picture of a fictional Toronto's just like Google street map you know stream shot <hes> in our case it was a name of a student and you know like the colors of their of their school. You know so these are these are things that they are broadcasting all the time about themselves. Every time they pick up their phone every time they open up their laptop and for them to have sounds like a metaphorical experience of vulnerability was way more impactful than just being told. Hey Be careful online kids you know you know you're always being spied upon <hes> and I think that's a real game changer pun intended of the ability of air g when you can live that experience as being told it that's far more powerful so if someone if our audience members are interested in learning more about alternate reality games or just connecting with both of you guys. Can you guys give us some of your information your twitter and may be websites that they can go to that you you guys both have a website so I'm at at Paul Derr Vase E. P. A. U.. L. D. A. R. V. A. Aside from my twitter account. <hes> at my g mail addresses my name. gmail.com and I have a site called Ludik learning dot Org L. U.. D. I C.. Learning Dot Org <hes> <hes> where I've I've written about alternate reality Games in general other teachers that are running them and I started blogging about my Alternate Reality Game But my dissertation were derailed me sometime in two thousand seventeen but I have every intention version of continuing with writing about the word game and John also has an excellent site that he's going to tell you about Sharia. If you WANNA find me on twitter at John C Fallon that's J. O.. H. N. C. as in Christopher F. A. L. O. N. like Jimmy Fallon <hes> and you can also find me on my website which is the alternate classroom Dot Org and I've got a kind of a design diary series of posts that are definitely flint designed for a teacher who's Nude Air Jesus curious about it <hes> where it's actually about my first one with the Odyssey which is much smaller scale so it runs runs you through how I came up with the idea why wanted to do it and as well the creation of several of the puzzles and experiences in it so you can see that <hes> you know kind of how that comes together and it's definitely not as intimidating as it might sound amazing Paul. We'll Darva Z. in Jon Allen. Thanks so much for joining US guys. Thank you very much thank you. It's been a lot of fun. Thanks for listening to on education. My name is Glenn Irvine. My Co host is Mike. WASHBURN on education is part of the education in podcast network. 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Redemption 1& 2

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Redemption 1& 2

"The final frontier saving the few humanitarian. This huge victory graduate commitment to this action is not emotion. Welcome to another episode of Beam. Me Up a star Trek. Podcast I am Brent Alan your host and I've seen every episode of Star Trek Multiple Time and I met Sonnenburg and this is my first time through the series and this is the show where I am on an admission to introduce my good friend Matt as law as as well as many of you out there to to star Trek into the world of Star Trek the future of Star Trek the message the heart of Star Trek and the history of Star Trek. But I'm not going to do that in a hunt. Seven hundred eighty hours of existing content. No we're going to boil it down to know about one hundred and fifty ish episodes unmanageable chunk of the key episodes. Like the one we're about to discuss today. But right now. Starfleet needs your help. They have the ships but need more manpower. Are you ready to stand up? Romulus head on over to be me. Pod Dot Com. Let us know what you think from there. You can tell over to the Patriot on find even more star Trek content that we've never released to the public. I hope you enjoy all. We have to offer including this upcoming episode. I think this is quickly becoming my new favorite segment of the entire show. I do it I can. Today's episode is the twenty sixth and final episode of season four of Star Trek the next generation and and the first episode of season five of Star Trek the next generation. That's right we are doing a double episode here today. We're doing redemption and redemption to or as. I like to call it. Gosh I really hope this is the last time we hear of worth this commendation. A case you don't remember or you didn't watch this one with this. I this is the one who gets his family on her. Back and alternate timeline. Tasha has a daughter that we get to meet and turns out. She's a bad guy. Bat before we get to the recap of the episode and start walking through it. Get kind of relive it through your eyes. I'm curious to give you a shot. What are some of your overarching thoughts? You've just finished watching redemption one to we're doing a double episode here tonight at being me up What would you got force brother? I was excited to see that. Yeah I think this warf is can be able to stop talking about his just combination. And and and that that might be the greatest thing to come out of these episodes. Okay all right not not a huge fan of this episode set of its has a few points I wanNA talk about. Yeah but I it's. It's not a message heavy episode. Yeah I guess it felt more like this continues the story it. Kinda brought together. A few plot lines that that we've seen before in previous episodes and and move them forward a bit or allowed us to move forward past them so it's a it did open up a few interesting questions here and there that we'll talk about an interesting characters in in these episodes that I I of course. I'm going to relate to Harry Potter so stay tuned for that. Well Hey listen the official. Beam me up drinking game. Every time matt mentioned Harry Potter everybody takes drink a couple of production notes. Matt that we're not going to get to over the course of our conversation so I'll go ahead and bring them up here on. This was the original concept for the cliffhanger of Season Three K. But when best of both worlds came around they bumped it and here it becomes the cliffhanger of season foregoing into season five Redemption. The first part is actually the one hundredth episode of Star Trek Star Trek the next generation. Yeah by the way for those keeping track. This is episode twenty two that we have done of next generation so it gives you any idea any scope of how much we've actually skipped so far there. You have it. But Matt's say about seventy eight episodes you go I think he's west with math Actually no because some of those are episodes including this one. Yeah it's true. So thankful yeah. Yeah but either way. It's it's we're we're at about the twenty five quarter we've watched about a quarter of the episodes so anyway we still have a few to go coming up here is. We're entering the amazing. I'll go ahead and tell you season five. I'm going to have such a hard hard time to safer season. We've done twenty two episodes and seasons one through four season five. We're going to wash twenty two episodes. It's possible it's possible now. It's not we're not really gonNA watch that many but I think I mentioned to you sometime ago. I was kind of looking for I think. Season five is the single season with the most amount of episodes that will watch now. We'll see as we go through the season. 'cause I maintain the flexibility with that list to add shows and take shows away all the time Done it already it happened. It has happened so but anyway But but as we go into season five. I'm very excited. There's just some great great episodes some fun episodes and I'm Gonna. There's there's going to be some that are going to have to get cut out the. I absolutely love and Adore. And now I can't wait for you to go back and just do your own personal rewatch and then just sort of get to talk to you. Probably outside of the context of this podcast in and a pick you up with some of those episodes but anyway back to these ones that we're talking about today behind the scenes of this episode. They had a very special visitor to the set while filming president. Ronald Reagan came to the set. Now he was he was in like trekkie Was he a tricky narrowly? Apparently he did not however you know leverage his his celebrity status or role although he wasn't actor if you remember but he did visit the set and famous they he met several of the characters dressed up in full Klingon regalia and they ask them like. Hey what'd you think of the Klingons he famously said I like them. They remind me of Congress. Oh boy those great the other thing I just out of that little anecdote gene roddenberry which by the way you should just know this at this point gene roddenberry starting to get fairly sick. Just in in life He's starting to think he's walking around with a cane at this point and There was one point while they were walking around that he dropped. His cane and Ronald Reagan actually was the one who went down and picked it up. Hand back to him. Apparently that left a huge mark on people and a lot of people freaked out because Ronald Reagan showed that he was a human being like many drops on the right there. Big Up form like good So Anyway There's that Looking at the rest of everything. We'll talk about the rest of this. I'm sure as we get through the episode now Matt when our character actor spotlight here today because there are a couple of people. I think that we need to talk about before we get into everything Robert Riley doing new people quote unquote New People Robert Riley is back as Geron. We've mentioned him. Todd Tony. Todd is back as current We talked about him before. But new to the cast. Our Barbara March and Gwyneth Walsh. I bet you can't guess which role those two ladies play. I guess with two female Klingon d'oro sisters. Yes the Dora. Sisters Gwyneth Walsh Barbara. I'll just go ahead and ask you now is this. Is this the first time we've seen female Klingon like I don't remember s seeing any at least in the we saw one did we in not sins of the father in the one where reiger went over to the Klingon ship to do the exchange program? We are we salt like two or three. Yeah okay but they were never this they. They never had as big a role prominent. And I do not remember off the top of my head. If we've seen other episodes klingon females in it. I do believe this is the first major like like sure you usually. Our interaction is like the captainship onscreen. That's and as we find out to. You know women do not serve on the High Council. Waste we'll talk about that later. Very odd we'll get there. We'll get there. Yeah now you might assume as you might assume from the fact that they beam out at the end of the episode. Hey spoiler alert rather than get caught up in the destruction or go off to jail. We will see the Dora sisters again though. I will go ahead and tell you now. They're only in three future episodes of Star Trek right Episodes might be to lose of a word They're there they really. They don't come back ton but they made such an impact on trekkie fan culture that they have really become sort of this cult icon within the fandom of being a trekkie because a Barbara March and Gwyneth. Walsh who I can't say have any particular fame outside of Star Trek like they both have their acting chops. They've done a bunch of stuff and from all Barbara March was really great stage actress which actually apparently she was Doesn't mean much to me personally but Where they really I think cemented this was those two would often in. I mean often appear at the trek fan conventions in full makeup and costume acting the part And so the sisters were very much an active part in the end it. It really sort of became this this thing on trek fandom. I could see it without that. I mean they. They just have a lot of personality. Sure and and very distinct personalities between the two of them J- just looking at the the their physical. If you showed me a picture of one of them I could not tell you which one is which honestly i? I wouldn't be able to do IT I. I didn't even characteristics or specific dress. They Klingon close in. General are very bland dark colors basically like blacks and grays like nothing really stands out. It's not like one zero. Something stood out in these costumes. A pair of something stood out in these costs. That may be part of the reason. I asked you if we've ever seen Klingon women before. Yeah it's it's I'll say this. This might be the first time we've ever seen civilian Klingon win. Okay but yeah the their personalities as soon as you get them talking like I can tell you which one is which like. Okay sure there you go So yeah so anyway. So that's Lotta and Bator Barbara. Martin with walls The Dora sisters and they they are the two actresses who will play the dialysis recast so so we'll have that now. I think you're saying they were in a lot of episodes and I think I kind of understand why 'cause like as soon as you put me in an episode. I think you have a very narrow platte line. You can follow with them unless you really want to bring them back off in new restart right new storylines forum but otherwise. Yeah I think you're kind of limited what you can do with that episode Now moving on of course you by now. You know the big reveal of this episode. Denise Crosby is back this time not playing tasha Yar but playing tasha's half Romulo daughter Sailor So now I will. I will go ahead and ask at this moment. Since we're talking about it now. Her face comes out from the shadow. And you see this Blonde Romulo. Who looks so familiar? Did you place or at first Joe who she was. Nope not did not at all. I felt very off because the way like not. Okay I have my notes. Mystery woman in the Shadows Okay. And then of course. They made big reveal when she stepped forward and they went to black. Am I supposed to know her? I I mean it the way they portrayed it. It's like okay. You're supposed to know these things you're supposed to remember someone. Maybe it's just a famous actress through using that. I don't know I but then as soon as she came on the screen for card and he's like Tasha. Oh okay I got. It missed that one. I think for the record. I think I also missed it. The first time I saw all right anyway. Hey Listen Salo though. She was a character that was actually dreamt up by Denise Crosby herself basically the story goes she was sitting around our house one day reflecting on how much fun she had coming back doing yesterday's enterprise and so she came up with another way to get back into the show affectively it and her original idea was that if alternate timeline. Tasha like what if she had survived that attack because if you remember they they went back into effectively. What was a suicide mission? But it would change the course of history What what if it wasn't actually suicide mission? What if she actually survived? Oh by the way that guy that she had a thing for that made her. Go back at Lieutenant. Castio like chief felt pretty confident that those two hooked up and that she would she would've actually been impregnated by him and that the daughter would have been taken away and raised by Romulus. Not actually a half The producers like the concept tinkered with it. They toyed with it until they switched it to what we actually see on screen But that was that was sort of her original deal now. One thing that that I should let you know this episode is not actually the first time that people who have watched the entire run of Star Trek have seen sailor say interesting Actually for she's been in a handful of episodes since half life which was last episode united and There was three or four episodes between half life in this one and she was this sort of shadowy background. Figure they were sort of use. This am commander puppeteer polarized strings behind the scene. We only ever heard her voice. But until this episode. Yeah I mean 'cause obviously card had never seen her rights because if he had seen her like as soon as you came on screen he knew who she was. And it's like well okay. That's first meeting so you. So you catch that as part of the The the the cliffhanger aspect of we've seen this shadowy figure for a couple of episodes now your shadow figures back the season finale face done done done and we're gone for four months like it's still plays well in this episode like A. Yeah I if I was a devoted fan watching every week live for the first time and then he finally get that face. Yeah so there you go so. Tashi are She is back Now I would also love to highlight one more person in today's episode. And that is the writer for these two episodes Ronald D Moore however Matt. This is a double episode. This episode is already going to be long enough so I'm going to push them off to another week but suffice it to say Ronald de Boer has he's really one of the shaking and moving writers on star. Trek goes on to do a lot of genre stuff after star Trek. But he is kind of basically become the go-to guy for all things klingons and the other. Note that I'll give you before we jump into the episode. When they wrote this episode. They did it exactly like they did. Best of both worlds meaning they wrote to the cliffhanger. Everybody went on break. Nobody knew what was happening and when they came back from break that's when they wrote part two. Was this another contract year. This was not a contract. It's just how they wrote it so But anyway so matt with all of that out of the way now. This is the part where we're going to start going through the episode scene by scene. You Stop US. You tell us what stood out to you. What questions did you have along the way? What were your reactions? As we made our way through it and I will tell you I have done my best in today's recap to try to abbreviate as much of this as we can and We'll we'll see how he did. So here we go. Redemption Parts One and two prologue. The Enterprise is heading to Kronos for card to finish up business with installing our on as the next Klingon chancellor also seems to think it might be a good time for wharf to try to regain his family honor. Yeah so it's another one of those episodes Matt Visiting Wharf in his quarters but Carla's lays out his thoughts towards warf lies must be challenged. He says or doesn't think it's time yet. Although he admits he has grown weary of bearing this dishonor and funny enough so of we on route. The is intercepted by Klingon ship. The boss well. This is unexpected. Hey wouldn't you know it? It's all buggy. I himself Kaoh Rong says that they must move quickly to prevent wait for it. A KLINGON civil war wasn't worst is commendation was meant to prevent in the first place and we go to credits. Yeah I read beginning like okay. More Klingons maybe get rid of discount nation. Probably because we mentioned it we brought it up. Reminded says thing and especially the combination is ally lies need to be challenged yes okay. Idol of the episode is redemption. Also clue the the one thing I did pull out of here though that I always kind of feel bad when I make comments like this like we're talking about you know different races and different cultures statements like this then picard goes and does it basically. It's like patience is human. Virtue doesn't require more of a Klingon response. Am I right I like it. I like it all right. Act One despite Derosa death and dishonor. His sister's worsen baiter are continuing to mount some serious support and an apparent attempt to overthrow Garonne as the incoming chancellor Gal Ron Wants Picard to step in and ensure our installation of a card refuses to do anything more than what his role is arbiter would permit. Our doesn't think that's going to be enough and as worth escorts cow onto the transporter room a card orders data to begin monitoring Romulus activity at the border. You know just in case there helping the duras sisters down in the transporter room. Warf tells cower on the truth about his father and the council's complicity in covering it up. War FAST GOWER ON TO RESTORE HIS FAMILY NAME COW on refuses. You chose to accept this disgrace for the good of the empire and now you must live with that decision so Klingon up man and here we go again first of all he did not occur to me just because we've known about it forever and it feels like people warf talks about like the card knows the truth about everything so it didn't occur to me that. Oh Yeah Gallery doesn't actually know the truth. This could change things. And as long as he's Anwar side or at this point in Time Anti Dir us I think is is the more important quality here. It's a it's a good time to bring this up and say hey. No here's what really happened. Dresses responsible for everything. I had nothing to do that right. I I'm just trying to hold the KLINGON empire together but yeah I it's it's interesting the way he puts it yet still like you. Chose this disgraced now. You must with your decision like Klingon. They really hold to that. That honor thing even our disgrace. Even you bring that up the idea of honor And I've spent a lot of time recently thinking about the Klingon idea of honor in high shared this on this show before. Not because this this is still a relatively new concept for me but The I don't think that the word honor for Klingons means the same thing that it means to you and me I do not think that word means what do you think it means like I I really think. Honor for them is more glory and accolades. Not I'm not like of the Round Table Chivalrous Code of honor like I don't I don't think it means that for the klingons mostly speaking it really I think has more to do with When you listen to them if you listen to as they talk about honor it has to do more with I one and so I have this great honor from this battle like it's it's the glory it's the accolades it's the the name recognition. It's not necessarily. Did you do it the right way. Did you do it with fair hands? And and I think that's where worth gets. A lot of this mixed up like warf seems to hold to that but no one else does you know so I i. It's it's weird. What well I think. Yeah we see kind of mixing as gets brought up later too but mixing human emotions and virtues with the clan and and so he's taking the human version of honor and mixing it with the Klingon version of honor and trying to figure out what that looks like and not necessarily fitting in your side holy not not nailing it either either way I what did you. What did you think about that? One guy on was like look buddy boy. You accepted this for the good of the thing and you're going to have to keep living with that. I'm not I I can't change those ends. It keep it honestly I. It was a points out in the next scene to kind of. But it's where Geron Really Kinda starts stands out a little bit as leader and kind of gives he in this instance he gives me a feel okay because Picard Picard. Just did this to govern right. It's like I want you to do this. I'm I'm I'm only going to do the job you play me too. I'm only going to follow Klingon laws. Nothing more and so now wharfs like hey. Could you do me this favor? And he's like sorry buddy according to our laws. This is what you accepted. And that's what we're gonNA live by right. Although I will say and I do want to point this out. I I've watched this episode probably four or five times in preparation for tonight and I don't think I ever put together at least not as clearly. It's in my mind right now. This was one hundred percent a political move for our because what he says is I still need the support of the council. I cannot expose though so you're just going to have to live with this because obviously fascinated at the end. Geron does what he needs to do. So it's not impossible. It's not outside the realm of possibility for to do it. It's just e even not agree. Yeah he actually states at one point but what you ask is impossible right now. No not if you're in charge. I think you can kind of do what you want. I mean ultimately. We're talking about here. Is You just verbalizing? I'm I'm restoring your family name. Your your honor honor to your family name right and that's all it is. It's not impossible. It's whether or not you choose to speak the words. It's not like there's a button you have to push although I do find it very interesting within Klingon Culture. The idea that when a family member is disgraced and that carries on for what they say four generations down the Dan. But at any point that honor can be redeemed. You buy whatever according to this episode. Yes previous to this episode. I kind of wonder if that was actually a thing at fair and this is this is the quintessential definition of yes expanding on. This might not be a wreck where they go back and Change. It is just A. We didn't clarify back then. So we're going to make it a little bit different. All right well wharfs not too happy about that. So he's letting off some steam down in the baiser shooting range which we haven't seen that a while enters but Guinan and it's time for a guy and talk matt who I love it. We love her. Geiman comes in and schools in target practice. But that's not really what she's been here for sheer to talk. There's this little thing about klingons laughing a little bit about Alexander his son and there's a lot about learning what it means to be a Klingon or if gets the message and immediately heads. The Captain Picard to request a leave of Absence Dab so well first of all yes. Guinan sharpshooter awesome. I love that. She's kind of a natural everything and I like how she she'd so like lackadaisically holds the phaser like there's points where she's just standing relaxed pointing the Phaser at war arms folded pointed right at your heart. Yeah she knows what she's doing I at this point. I'm I don't know how much we actually find out but I'm still pretty sure. Guinan is the most powerful being on the ship. If not in the universe and so if she would happen to shoot him I think she could take care of it. I will neither confirm nor deny that man yet anyway. I don't want to put crush out of a job. You know we already did that once. But yes this. This is kind of what I was hinting at before. Wharf needs to go and find out what truly means to be Klingon right like he. Has this idea stuck in his head of what it means to be Klingon but time and time again it does not seem mesh when he especially when he comes into contact with other Klingons. It's like no. They're not doing what you think they should be doing. So maybe it's you. That has Iran Right Right Art Matt. Moving on acts to on leave worth has tracked down his brother. Kern who is now the captain of his own ship or if tells current of his attempt to have their family honor restored. Occuren- is not impressed. In fact he says the game will never be chancellor either. The family earned tells worth that he's planning his own coup and has amassed a bunch of his own support but warf pulls the older brother Card in eighty sixes that idea instead of ousting our on warplanes to use Kern and those who will support him back Gal on but the price of their support will be the restoration of their family. Honor earns says he's down but it's GonNa take some time to convince everyone to go along with the with the plan so we'll see him again in a little bit in the episode down in the Klingon High Council chambers just as Picard is about to robe gallery with the new chancellor robes voice rings out. I will challenge him. And it's a young man. Toronto claiming to be the long lost son of Dross even has the DNA to match which forces picard to consider the validity of his claim. Yarborough role at seems is not yet finished for Picard. Just twenty thought he was out. Pulham bag in all right well sometime later. Down and tors quarters they are discussing the possibility of killing picard which gets shot down immediately. But that's not really why we're here. We're really only hearing this seen to confirm that the Romulo are definitely involved here and that one of them is a very shady. Romulus female Act THREE ON COM. We get an update on Kern. And how it's going with the other KLINGONS commanders. He has three that will support him but the Dorados family has seven however the bulk of the Klingon. Commanders haven't really even decided yet all right back to the plot his gathering evidence but picard has a problem with worth using his position as a starfleet officer to effect change on his home world. A card gets to talking in eventually hawks. Himself into the solution is going to make the Ketteringham Askar files available to everyone who wants them. That way it's fair for all ORF can use them as evidence because nobody wants a dirty d'oro sitting on the chancellor and the chancellor's chair so this part I thought was going to be more problematic than in turn out to be okay because like he brought up the whole using your position as a starfleet officer to effect political change on your planet. Okay I get where you're coming from. I thought it was kind of weird when you started doing this. And asking for files and especially when humans like off duty and like what is going on here like you thought. That was weird. Yeah I why? Wouldn't it be like it didn't bother me? He's he's gathering Intel. He's pulling I mean I know where the stuff exists. I know where the evidence exists. Let me go get it. Hey data you're my friend. Come help me do this. I'm not thinking I'm off. Duty on duty representing the federation like. That's not even in my brain like warf on this you know at least in my mindset debut. They made such a point of him though taking a leave of absence right when car on the bridge. It's like have you return to duty. No Mike my real question was why are you in Uniform Right Catholics? As IF YOU'RE NOT ON DUTY. Why are you in uniform again? And so part of it. I guess this is kind of where pieced together my head. He put on the uniform so that data would help him. Get All these files in that type of thing. It's like yeah. I'm on the bridge. I'm an officer in uniform. You help me as opposed to plainclothes warf coming in and saying. Hey can we get some files like that would be a little more suspicious? I think but yeah I guess I still kind of question. Did it a little bit. Yeah I mean I think cards. Absolutely right to question like Wait a minute. Are you on on duty than this is not appropriate? What you're doing like he's defining reality. I didn't have a problem with that at all. In fact I rather like that and I think this whole scene goes to what we talked about so often of card as a leader. You want to do a study in leadership and there are lots of great captains in Star Trek Canon. If you're going to pick one to study how to be a leader Captain Picard. I like I like Cisco you're going to meet him soon. I Love Jane where you're GonNa meet her soon. You know Kirk Kirk Archers Archer. You'll find out who those guys are here soon but but You know lots of good leadership throughout star Trek but picard is just the be seminal leader but I did find it very interesting or at least kinda funny like he starts talking about. You can't use this. These this information but picard never stops talking until he talks himself into the solution You know he's like Talk Talk Talk Talk Okay. I'm just GONNA make available to everybody but this ends now or whatever it is he says so anyway. Doubt on the planet is responding to a message from the DURAS. Sisters tour is getting a little too flirty with Captain Picard. Lucile wants to know if card has made his decision about all card. Says he's in a catch twenty two points out that they have the support of the people if Picard rules against her all that will end the Klingon Federation alliance. It isn't a threat. It's just the truth card sidesteps at saying his decision will come High Sun tomorrow and he leaves but not before during a Little Jab in there about the Romulus. The d'oro sisters worry so here. We Go Beta. She is a creeper. I can't picture anyone else. Having the goal to invite the captain of the Enterprise. Or ANY STARSHIP FOR THAT. Matter of the enterprise on the less have him sit down and then just gently caress his bald head. That is Kinda. We're kinda creepy and I instantly got Abella tricks vibe. Ooh everyone drink. I've been more as we go on. Through these episodes there are few other seeds in here on Mike. Bella checks do that. Yup So it does that make like. Did you catch that vibe? I didn't put that together but that would probably be fairly apt comparison because I mean Lur says very clearly seems to be the brains of the operation right. Yes yes. He's the one who's thinking it through right So baiters more. I don't want to call it the muscle. But she's she's a little bit more there for intimidation. Sure and the creep factor. I gotTa tell you it always. It weirds me out on a level of I know several bald men like my own. Dad Is Bald. Like wake. Optima card is bald chair. I don't go put my hand on his head. No you don't pats. That's what I'm saying like. You gotTa have a have a certain something now. I'm not bald. I'm fortunate to still have all of my hair on tax but I try to like think about like if if I was bald. What I want like even my wife when her to pets my scalp. I don't think I would. I don't think that would be and if you were to touch my scalp that would be crossing the line and you and I are going to have words that that's what I'm saying. Just in general for the general person. I think that's weird so then to do that too. To like I was about to say like the leader of the free world but then not quite but this super high ranking officer within the federation within starfleet like. You don't do that that's weird it's weird. Yeah and he takes. That's the thing the see Picard doing anything else in that situation. I would nope regard wooden like. Don't again that as well. Don't touch my head all right that it's a little to his style like Kirkwood would react like Kirkwood. Sense is like aggression right but the card. It's like I'm confident enough. I can handle myself here. I'll find a way out if I need to. But you're not hurting me yet. You do you you whatever. Go ahead and touch my head and I guess that's just it's weird. It's Weird Matt. It's weird creepy men. Beethoven's creepy at. That's what I'm saying is that it's Super Pelletrau. Stick like that. That's that's the vibe that I get from Bella tricks. So that's that's why I get from her and it just played out every time she came on screen. I'm like Yup. That's her more mass thoughts on Bella. Tricks visit him over at tales from Columbine cast. Go back about one hundred episodes or so Yeah man that's that's a good pool. That's a good pool matt for for people out there who crossed that Phantom line Back to this story. The next day card announces his decision he rules in favor of the law and Klingon. Tradition Cower on will be the chancellor to all objects but the arbiter has spoken doesn't matter though the members of the High Council make it clear that their support is for the Durham family and the council is Split. Yeah I had to figure it wasn't gonNA go smoothly. I haven't my notes here plots plots plots. Yes there's not much going on here other than stuff I mean I like how Picard handled it. It has a very you know card solution. And it's like according to the law. Here what I have and here is my ruling whether you like it or not and then no one listens to him anyway right so all right act for well. This is that time that warf was waiting for it's time to pounce wharf goes to see gower on to offer his and Kerns and all of Kerns friends support in exchange for restoration of his family. Honor it's not enough. Our on says he needs the federation's help as they're talking. The ship gets rocked. The KLINGON civil war has started. And it's two on one and this one is losing badly car observing from the enterprise orders the ship to move away opting to not get involved and leaving wharf on the boss in the process so Too much of this was was coming to a resolution already and obviously we were known this the first time through but you told me to watch parts one into two so I knew there is a second part. So I'm like okay. We need. We're GONNA need a cliffhanger somewhere here. Something's gotTa Happen Yet. A some new problems got a volve and incite. A WHARF is stuck here. IS HE GONNA get blowed up like I. I don't think so. I would think something they would do back in the day to to kill off a major character like that instead of Tasha. Yeah you know. But she's pretty far down the food chain. Well no I mean. She's she's in the exact same position that worth was in warf took her job. That's true she was chief security. How has had more time to develop in have more of a presence on the ship? Then did he talk today. I think a lot of it is. I didn't see a lot of episodes Tasha right. So felt like she she. She was there and she was gone by three episodes. So so you bring that up and I will say this as someone who has seen all of these episodes any times over as I say almost every single show. I don't think there's almost I think say that I have never understood. The abiding influence that the character of Tasha Yar continues to have throughout the run of next generation. Like the number of times that she continually gets brought up You know we. We saw her again and we are measure of a man. If you remember that with data we had like the little photograph of her Hologram which I mean it was a nice call back to you. Know a he ha ha moment from an earlier episode to actually You know but even with with enterprise there's a few other episodes that I know of Matt where we meet. Tasha sister near things but like this hurt her just continually gets gets brought back up and and I'm just I. I mean no offense to denise I just don't think her character had enough time to evolve is saying the writers did not have enough chances to work with her. Her character was very flat. And there's a reason denise wanted to leave the show back in season turned because the character was very flat and she didn't WanNa get stuck just doing that piece so I the way she continues to come back usually baffles my mind. I kind of wonder if it happened because she left so like if if she was still there would they have written an episode with her sister right if she if she was still there. I mean the the alternate time time thing wouldn't happen and she wouldn't have a daughter so that that that wouldn't work that way so that wouldn't be there at all either and so. I think her leaving allowed them. It's like okay. We're bringing this character on the ship for for one episode. Why is she here? Well was related to a former member of the ship of the crew so that that's how will tire in instead of just being completely random person it's like she has a tied to this crew. Somehow so I kind of wonder if if that's why it does keep coming up it's like we're GONNA we're going to almost force this into but they just have a built in excuse kind of yeah and and as you say that. I am reminded of an interview. I want solve Denise Crosby give where I think basically what she was saying was she felt the. Yesterday's enterprise is the best episode of Star Trek the next generation. I don't personally agree with that but I do think it it. It's very easily top ten. It potentially may be a top five episode for me of yesterday's enterprise like I really really really like that episode and but I remember the line that she used was. She had to die back in season one so that she could get the best episode. Yeah 'cause yesterday. Enterprise really was very much about her This alternate timeline. Her and I I. I hear what you're saying and sometimes you have to do that in order to get you know. I'd rather have a few really good episodes that a whole bunch of really crappy like I get that concept but it just you know she she comes back she she's she continues to come up and the fact that she's coming up in our limited run which. I happen I mean like like I said there are episodes that I know we have skipped Becau- and I've not skipped them because odds tasha episode. It's not that it's a their episode. I know that we've just skip because they didn't fall into the parameters of this podcast but the ones that we have hit our are picking up pretty good. Which by the way this whole idea of this worst is combination story. Thread was never an intention for me as A. Hey we'RE GONNA WATCH STORY. If feels like we've hit every one of those. We have very much have and it was not my intention going through it. It just each episode. It's like there was worst commendation. Which was the big thing for the sins of the Father? The episode that got started on right Then it's been like a B plot or a subtext of a greater episode that we had to have we watch so anyway With all that said. Let's come back to this episode. Back on the board toss worth is using some old starfleet ingenuity to make a successful counterattack against one of the ships but they're sitting ducks for the remaining ship. Don't worry Kern Day use sex mocking a to the rescue saving the bore. Toss the reason. We had to introduce them earlier. Areas there is. I told you it'd seem again in a few acts right down on the planet. It's time for our official installation as leader and the enterprise crew is invited to be the guests at the ceremony as soon as the robe is placed on the shoulders of our on his very first act as chancellor is to officially return wharfs family honor and with a blood oath deal is sealed and Matt. It's done yes. This commendation is over. Yeah like I was saying to too many things wrapping up though. It's like it's still needs some kind of Cliffhanger here I have to tell you what I was writing the recap for this episode. I'm looking at the time like like how much time was left in the episode and I'm realizing where this happens on our there. There's a lot of episode left. What is what happens in this next little bit to get as you know because we have to. The next bit is really about transitioning into the cliffhanger side right anyway but the Klingon civil war is still on speaking of which act five. Well now that that's all done. Gower is requesting official. Help from the federation on the basis of their alliance to help and squelching the upper the uprising wharf makes an attempt to convince Picard but card still refuses as he issues a recall for wharf from his leave of absence seeing as warf can't continue to help cow Ron and the empire and fulfill his duties as a starfleet officer warf pulls the badge from his chest resigns his commission. That sucks coming. Did you Max? No not really. I mean not at the beginning of so as we got into this scene. It's like oh boy. Oh boy don't do it. Don't do it. Oh he did it but yeah it's it's again with Garon asking for help and car diet like this is like the fourth time this has happened between somebody in this episode. It's like can you do this me? Nope goes against everything we stand for? Like Okay Yeah Yeah Is Gone and we could see. I was trying to think back to like Ciller father. Like do we see wharf in in clean Gar Becton. He had he was in his starfleet uniform but he had like a shawl kind of thing that like hung down over him. Okay that he put on kind of top his Sir shares. Not The full outfit though. 'cause like it kind of stood out. It's like okay you very much look Lake Klingon now. The only time that I can. I know that you have seen him in. Full Klingon Regalia was back to our episode reunion when he in Keilor get dressed up to now you remember that was union or was that the first episode that might have been await. See this is where the there are starting to run together now. That might have been the extra viewing episode that we did. Oh where wharf and Kayla. Which if you guys WanNa hear that it is available now on our Patriot and feed. You guys can go there and check that out patriots dot com slash pot But mad at it was one of those it was either was either reunion or the emissary. We saw warf- In Full Klingon Regalia and it looks very weird. Yeah because he was sitting like are still looked weird. Now just because I'm so used to seeing him in starfleet uniform. Well I also think part of it is. If you look like like warf within the starfleet within starfleet like he owns a brush. His hair is combed. The rest of the KLINGONS aren't like it's just sort of their rates the human side of him there you go. He needs to go and learn how to be a Klingon. But you see this perfectly. Quaffed hair is now in like a Klingon robe in it. That's just different like it. He's still stands out in that particular out so absolutely well. Prepared is visiting orphanages quarters. While he's packing required tells worth that he has taken the best parts of humanity and made them his own. You want them to take that with them at might come back up later and with warfied in full Klingon Regalia. It's a touching farewell for wharf as he leaves the ship to full honors pomp and circumstance and the enterprise departs from the bortles. Leaving Wharf behind down in the garage family. Oh go ahead. Yeah so little thing but picard does this at least twice. Maybe minority twice in this episode. He he like for lack of a better term rings. The doorbell outside wharfs chambers were says enter. He walks in and then asks anime intruding like he does every time. And I'm like that seems backwards to me right. Like he already said enter. He didn't say just a moment. It let me get dressed or I'm busy. Can you come back later? He's like no enter Mike if he said enter. I think it's okay. You're not intruding lightning. Unless like I guess if he said. Am I interrupting I? Maybe he has a slightly different definition of intruding than I will give it because it feels like he's asking and I am. I interrupting something. Is this a bad time type of thing? But it's like by a in my opinion more saying enter is is kind of the clue that yeah you can come in talk. Let's do whatever like I've always thought it was a little weird that they'd just tell anyone at any for everyone to enter was on the other side of the door is true although I'll tell you where's your video doorbell. Come on although I'll tell you where where I went to college In our dorm room our dorm room our doors did not lock. Okay like a poor choice but there were there. Were some issues that we had to deal with but overall I actually I preferred living like that and and what we would inevitably. We'd get in trouble because it screw up like the the doorknob mechanism on the doors. Even though there wasn't a lot But we would wind up like taping. The little things shut so we didn't actually have to turn the doorknob like all you do. 'cause if there's not a lot that who cares right so and let's just be even more lazy as college students and not. What's the DOORKNOB RIGHT But I mean it was. It was a neat way to live. But you you would routinely just walk into other people's rooms like there was no knocking. There was no whatever that's just how we live. It was a very small form. That's just how we live. You know and if you do that then you ask e you could ask. Am I interrupting if you just walked in But in my mind you know Picard essentially knocked that little thing that little sound that plays and it's like then he responds enter. Which in my mind is what triggers the kind of voice activation triggers? The door opening. And it's like yeah so I don't quite understand that that process set system and I guess it just hit me that he did twice in this episode. Do you think it might be something? More of the niceties the politeness like. Yes it's you know it's the it's the up on the phone. Hey man how's it going? I'm doing good hutches of doing like you go through all that before. You actually very much like a tradition like a just something new do but yeah I. I questioned some of those two interesting down at the family home. They are celebrating the enterprise leaving. But Hey remember that shadowy female. Romulo on she says not to celebrate too early after all. Humans have a way of turning up when you least expect and she finally steps out of the shadow and she looks very familiar. An awful lot like one lieutenant tasha Yar cliffhanger which has already told us. He didn't really get Yup. Did make a note of that line. Humans Halloway showing up when you least expect them makes a whole lot more sense now right. Yeah yes like that. That think is a partial reference to attache showing up in the in the future. Well what was future? Y- you know what I mean. Well let's let's face it because here's what we don't know as yours. Is that Tasha dressed up like a Romulus With the Romulo Haircut and in the Romulus close at like. I think that's actually what we're led to believe. We know that's not who it is but I think the the you know that sort of the that's what they want you to. That's what they want you to stick gone into the cliff hanger if I if I would have picked up on this your say it. If we had the Internet back in Nineteen ninety-one this would have been all over the forum saying Tasha's back. Why is she back back? All different fan theory series Seattle. Absolutely yes. Someone said it's not really Tasha. It's actually her daughter or something like that. Well it's Tasha I clone. I'm sure that her I was gonna say that. That came up in the next episode. Didn't it may not that somewhere. Where were they mentioned? It could be a clone right and or it could just be is someone who altered their their their their visual look and psych that There are other options but still why Tasha. Why would you want clone Tasha? Why would you want to look like Tasha? Why would the Romulo? Yes because we're not thinking we're not remembering the episode yesterday's enterprise with full detail right. That's not on our radar right exactly once once. They started talking about like. Oh Okay I where you go into this. Yeah I guess that timeline works right and you sit there and you go. Wow that's a great like that's a great pool. How'd you cope with that? Made you pull that in and pulled that as part of this. That's great like So I I like it on that level on when you see the pieces lineup like to go. This sounds like you had it planned the whole time. You didn't so you pulled it together. Which makes it even cooler. You made it still a wait wait. I I don't know if we've actually said this out loud okay. Is this the same actress? Yes Denise Crosby Okay yes so okay I guess because you said she was in episodes prior to this so they kind of knew that they must have known how they were eventually going to write her back in this episode. Yeah but yeah. They okay okay. Film Insert inserted into the into the show back. There kind of was like if they just brought her back for this and left as cliffhanger didn't write the second half and like why. Why would they bring her back? They didn't know how they're going to play this off. That'd be weird but no they had a long term plan for. It's just yeah okay. I will say from a from a writing and production standpoint. They understood at that point that this was talk shows daughter like they hit already worked that out but I think part of the reveal was. They didn't tell us that this is Tasha daughter. They just we just saw. Tasha looking like a romulu saying humans. Turn up when you least expect Fade to black and for anybody who put the pieces together. 'cause I guarantee you. There are people who saw that people who'd seen every episode of Next Generation. Up to that point you saw and somebody had determined. Go you know who that was? Don't you now? Who was that was Tasha? Yar what like you know what I mean like. I don't absolutely yeah. Yeah there were people and that's what I'm saying if I if twitter was around back in ninety one that that would have been trending and it's like you know Hashtag Tasha Yar. Yeah Tasha's back or something like that right and it's like I never know what was going to happen and you kind of wonder about little touches like that in today's world so easy for one or two people the right one or two people to catch something and pointed out and get out there on the Internet and then everybody knows about it as opposed to back. Then it's like okay. Yeah you can tell your friends about it your work buddies but then joe down the joe down the street if heating catch it like you can't go back and watch it. You can't Rewatch US thing you know the next day when it streaming and back then yeah you. You're not everybody so it's it's interesting. How the landscape of TV as changed your dad and not just that but how we as fans interact with. Yeah because you know what else would have happened. Had had this episode occurred. Today we would be having a podcast discussing immediately our thoughts and reactions actions. Is this Tasha Yar Right? I mean I mean it's as we record this You know we've just come through. The first season Picard. And on this show I did an extra sort of set of supplemental episodes a handful of them to the new episodes of Star Trek. That were coming out without you because you're not ready for yet. You're not allowed to go there. But I mean the first several episodes were all women. What's this mean what's that GONNA mean? And where are we going to go? And how's this going to be? And that's that was a big portion of the conversations and those episodes was trying to figure out what's going on and what's going to happen next I of course. Tv Today as we're watching much serialized than it was back then so there is that overall theme but but but but with this episode like they didn't realize the entire season necessarily but they're they're tying together a bunch of loose threads and whether or not we knew they were loose threads but now it's like okay if this is Tasha. What happened to her like. We're tying together this episode in this episode episode or just like said with wars just discount nation like we've watched that series arc progress and now it's of over and Matt you you bring up that idea of how they are starting to tie storylines together And there there's this is something that star trek pushed television forward in doing. Because remember when Star Trek. The next generation was airing. It was not airing to a major network television show or television station. It was airing on syndicated TV. And so they really wanted those one off episodes that they could show them in any order. People could pick them up in any way and you didn't have to have you didn't have to see all these other episodes before to understand what's happening here and the fact that next on. Straw the week exactly and the fact that next generation is picking up these story threads in pulling them back in and I think they're doing a good job of if you didn't see it they give you enough information and know what's happening here yet. They really got. I think the perfect example is coming up when they they explain as essentially yesterday's enterprise right. They they explain the entire plot within this episode. Or at least what you need to know. It's it's it's a lot to follow if you haven't seen that episode it makes you wanNA watch it. You're how do I go watch this episode? I if this was if this was a youtube video have a little card slided. Watch yesterday's enterprise now exact exact. Well Matt that is season. Four of the next generation was season. Five starts right now. Prologue Redemption to wharf is still serving on board the board. Toss only now it's captained by Captain Kern with his brother not guarant- So obviously and by the way I'll go ahead and say this there has been a lot of time. Supposedly that has passed between the end of season up. Before between the end of redemption one and the beginning of redemption to and and the at the end of WARF would be serving on. Gal Ron ship the BORE TOSS. Yeah and we pick back up and current as the captain of Bortles and idea. There was a very cognitive thing. That wasn't a mistake that they made. It was a no. No time has passed and this is a change that has happened. Yeah that's that's where are with that so anyway current now the captain of the board lost the battle is not going well until it does. There may be some issues with the command structure between these two guys. Though on civil war rages and from the sounds of. It's not going well for the good guys. A card is meeting with the Admiralty of Starfleet to propose a plan to expose the Romulo involvement in the Klingon civil war. I setting up effectively. A blockade on the klingon Romulo border gets approval from starfleet assemble. Your fleet captain sat going back to the the Klingon at heart of this I. It's it's I mean. How would you feel if you don't have a younger brother? But if you're younger brother I can empathize. I can imagine what was the captain of your ship. Your younger brother is your boss. Any lived in a society where where the older brother is. The head of the family exactly and you have already over your younger brother. We have off to last episode. Yeah exactly yeah. It's it's weird but that's why work with relatives. We seek her. And here you know attempting maneuver that. I here's my comparison again would would very much see from a enterprise captain in this case. I think it'd be more Kirk Burkhard. seems more of a aggressive maneuver. I mean but it's still got in on I. It's it's something that feels counterintuitive right. But he has a plan for. It's going to be a little bit risky for you and your ship but you believe in your ship now that I think about it. It's actually Have you ever seen Watched series firefly. We've talked about this. No I haven't okay it's going to be a supplemental podcast. You and I do at some point. I'm sure MATT YEA can be supplemental. It's only thirty. So we'll we'll watch the entire series the series. I found that out the other day. I'd purchasers probably for nine ninety nine on itunes or something the other day or a while back. It was like I should watch it sometime. Yeah Yeah we should. But it's actually reminds me more of something Captain Malady. Okay for for those who have seen firefly captain mile. This feels very much like move. You pull off as but if you want related to star Trek it definitely feels like more of a kirk moved to me where like said you're taking a I hesitate to say calculated risk because I I like. I feel if if Picard were to do this. He be sitting there asking data to calculate the risk or actually no. He probably wouldn't ask him. Data would just automatically do it. But it's felt kind of odd to me it to get this extended view of Klingon war maneuvers and to see that they are actually comparable to what we see from starfleet. Okay Yeah you realize that the Klingons and the the humans out I'll say starfleet is humans a really are not that different exactly exactly like I guess a lot of times up to this point he the the humans are almost sometimes drawn up as superior and the idea that you know the Klingons might be these kind of dummies onside. It's like yeah we can help them for time time. They might be able to help us a little bit here and there but it's no there they can do the same things you do. We just don't see it all the time act. One Card is assembling his fleet. There is a combined lack of ships and a lack of senior officers that he's having to get creative with starting to Dole out some command assignments to both. Reicher and the forge. A data wonder why his twenty years of service and his lieutenant. Commander rank doesn't grant him. Command accords guffaws over himself. Assigns dated to command the Sutherland. Okay we'll get to that in minute. The blockade forgot one thing. Yeah so you're always worried about space and how it goes in three dimensions. This is when I start to worry about it. Yeah like we're going to set up this blockade on their Border Mike. Okay under it. Yeah I'll go with you here but get like this isn't two ships on the ocean or if you WANNA consider it like you're setting up a blockade on the Ocean. It's like okay. They'll use some rain and go under you or they'll use a plane and go over you. Mike. I is a really that small of an area where the Romulo would ever consider passing through that. They actually block it. I mean plot reasons I get it I get it but but seriously like the thought. Power that the ruins had to put it into ban. How do we get around this? Well I mean like my question was stuff like that is is okay. How far give yourself a direction like pick a point? Uh-huh Okay I. I'm on the border of the Klingon Romulus Empire Right. How far up do I have to go before? I hit the limit of my empire. Now Yeah you know what I mean. 'cause 'cause you it's got to be a three dimensional shape your space. It's a commuter surrounded on all sides like anyway. I don't WanNa get too often that but you're make you for bringing that up not making me because I because because this this really brought it into a new light really or it's like we're going to block your border. You can't do that you don't know yeah like especially when they're like we barely have enough to make this field in the first place. So how are you going to cover the entire border because that would be the the only thing I could come up with is if okay here is the Romulo and planet is Rama's is that their planet okay And so we're going to put a blockade just surrounding your entire planet like that would work? But then they'd be intruding on their territory and then that's an active aggression. And so I. I understand why they couldn't do that. But like that's something you could pull off and that's something you could tell if they left the area but there we're GonNa go to this point in space and blocked this little area with this little grid and okay glad it worked out for you. What do you think about data center sticking up for himself saying? Hey I it was only a matter of time right. Yeah and this had to be a plot that was gonna be addressed sooner or later and I'm not surprised that date asked about it so only logical. It's like you need people I'm people I can run a ship. I can rush it by myself right. I so yeah. Why not let me help out? I'm as what I'm here. It's like so make sense. I I totally understand why Picard didn't do do in the first place but you know in hindsight it's like now that data called him out on it it's like. Nah I feel bad shoot. Should just don't in the first place. I think. Some of that shows that that honestly like no matter how enlightened somebody thinks they are somebody somebody really is they can still fall into the old traps releasing without even realizing you know and and I think data's response and even Captain Picard response like you don't have to turn around and suddenly beat that person up and call them you know have that negate their entire body of work. Yes you know in in in this case for the fight for equality which is really what. Data's fight has been Y- you don't have to do that it just he just made a really silly mistake entering into territory. That's never really been been covered. Now I will tell you this map from a production standpoint or at least really with the cast members they talk about how this particular storyline. They really wish was pulled out of this episode and made its own episode. Yeah like they really felt like it needed to be its own. Its own story. It just fit in with this episode. So well the producers wanted to keep it in but Apparently that was a that was certainly a big point of discussion as to whether or not this is story should have its episode. I think they easily could have made it. Its own episode and and Yeah would've been nice to put a little bit more spotlight on it. Sure just because of the points that they can make with it but like I if really well for what they were doing in this episode for data to bring it up at that point so but to your point. Though it's it's it's we give cards so much credit. For how great of a leader he is and how good he is at his job. But yeah this this is it. This is even the best people make mistakes. Even the best people aren't perfect and like you said instead of starting fight instead of ramming down. Someone's throat like you made a mistake. Look at what they just. Did you know calmly ask why not what happened. What can I do to change the like? That was data's thing it's like if you sincerely don't think I'm ready. Let me know what I need to improve so I can so when that you know the next time comes maybe I can help you. But then cardinal sat there in and I think what a lot of times people don't allow to happen is a card changes his mind right and it's like that's okay. He's learning he's growing. He's fixing his mistake. Oh by the way is also humble enough To allow himself to change his mind. He does he doesn't feel the the pride that goes with. Oh No no I. I've got to protect my reputation and that I was not thinking about this so and I think the biggest part of that that that helps that even is that it was just the two of them private right or is it just so. Yeah that that that decision always becomes that much harder when even who had just been in front of the entire bridge or worse in China in front of the entire ship or all of the federation some Big Meeting. They're having or something being broadcast across zoom to the entire. Yeah it's it's that's probably one of the biggest lessons we get out of this episode right like you said I. It wasn't necessarily message heavy episode. But this this this message could have been an episode so there you go on Kronos. It's a bar fight on the way. It's a celebration. There's lots of drinking and lots of fighting. Hey wait a minute. These are the crews of the two ships that were just fighting outerspace. Oh maybe it's a bar fight after all doesn't really matter. Capital city is neutral ground. Wharf is worried about the ship and the battle. Kern is just wanting to drink the night away watching alerts but a watching ler and bay tore note just how different workers from his brother. A seem to have a plan for him. Yeah this is weird. I immediately got the okay. This is like the Klingon version ten forward like at first. I thought it was still like on a ship and I didn't even catch right away. That Gad their enemies here until like got into some of the conversations that are like wait. What how does that work when I think back to like the American Civil War right I? I don't think we had the balloon the gray sitting down in your bar together at the end of the day and say hey. Let's let's have a drink and then get back at it tomorrow like no. I don't quite understand the thought process behind this cultural decision. It seems really weird to me. Yeah so about that of if it does seem very weird The director for this episode of His name was David Carson. And Rick Berman encouraged David to invent new ways for the Klingons to behave so this bar scene and everything you see there is this guy who is a relatively new director to star Trek. Okay inventing stuff or the KLINGONS To or for them to behave so that might be a little bit because it it. You're right it does feel SORTA very weird. It's very You're probably not gonNA catch US reference map but it's very doth Raqi ish the idea that we can be enemies out there but here you know. We're celebrating each other's honor because like wasn't there a point when current in another captain. We're like you know. Good luck to you tomorrow. Good luck to you too sir. I hope I tell you. I hope you'll you like exactly each other like to kill each other just for like yeah. I. It's it's I guess. One of the most Klingon things I've seen I I wouldn't see it anywhere else and and I think warfighting I'm sorry you know what it's like. It's like that old looney tunes cartoon where we have the dog and the cat. Or whatever like they're Wa- they're walking into work and they both like they're just hate Steve. Hey Bill what's going on Salmon? Ralph go and then they like. They clock in clock in and soon as the whistle blows. It's GonNa kill each other talk example yes beer and that's where we are is they're grabbing a beer together now. Yeah yeah that is exactly what this is. And it's wow okay like that. That makes it easier to understand in a sense. It's still weird thing that like our job is to fight each other all day but as soon as the days over like that's weird to put a starting stop time on war right. We fight from sunup to sundown at night. No no one's going to attack right until someone comes along. It's like I'm GonNa break these rules right. I it's like the first people who decided that invented the flanking maneuver right right. It's like we're not just going to run straight at each other. No we're going to send some guys around and get you from behind how you like that. We're going to win now so I guess that feels like yeah. There's there's a lot of room in their style for you. Know subterfuge back up in Outer Space Lieutenant Commander. Data's introducing himself to Lieutenant Commander and data takes. Command of the Sutherland. Opposite has an issue with the fact that data is an android a data denies his request for a transfer sure. There's not gonNA be any problems from this coming up. We're all here and the fleet pulls out to start the block yeah. I not surprised that he tried to get out of it there. Had I mean to tell this story wine there had to be someone who is going to be against? It might as well be number one. But the fact that he's like I'm the new captain psyche. Captain Can I get out of here? That was again takes a special type person to just immediately say no. I do not agree with this. I'm out of here right. You know what I always think the issue is going to be Because this is one of those like there's usually enough time in between watching these two episodes that I forget the actual issue is and you know it's Lieutenant Commander data with two and a half pips on his collar. Introducing himself to Lieutenant Commander Hobson with two and a half pips on his collar. Yup there they're the same rank. Absent is clearly already been serving on the Sutherland for a while or at least has been assigned to the Sutherland for awhile. Why didn't he get the command? And that's where I feel like this is going is a jealousy over who got the command and who didn't and he has an issue with the idea that the android put him out of job so speak but that. That's not where this is going at all it. Just that's what I always tend to think it is I feeling I guess I got more of opinion. Yeah he's been with this ship for awhile but either he just got promotion to that current rank or he just hasn't been in service long enough because like I hadn't realized until they mentioned it like data's been in service for twenty six years like longtime academy. You've been around for a while. Okay and so I think they. They made that very apparent and it's like so. Yeah for this guy to work up to this rink. What had taken five years ten years? Fifteen year I. I don't know but probably less time than data. And and if if he is planning on going out on this ship like how many other active ship has the actually been on. Is this one of the action ships. Was this one of the ships that they were just building and having a key because they said they had The part of some of the stuff broken. They hadn't been able to test everything before they left right so does either being repaired or brand newly built. Yeah Yeah I don't think they were ever super clear which one that was. I think my assumption is actually. My assumption is usually. This is an older ship that is getting refit like But then where's the cap you know and then you go right and then you're sitting there like well. Maybe they're actually just building the ship in. It's one well wait a minute. Housing seems like he seems to have way more ownership of this ship to the should if he's but how long does it take? Nabil to ship. But I don't think the officer is involved in much of the building of the ship all the way actually building it possibly overseeing it I could see that maybe yes like. If you know you're going to be number one on this ship when you want to see how it's put together make sure everything's on right. Sure see that I'm with you. I'm with you all right. Act to Larson. Bator are freaking out a little bit because of the Federation fleet moving through Klingon space and the fact that the Romulo and convoy has not arrived yet with supplies Super Shady. Rhyme million chick doesn't seem that worried about it because she has a plan. We're GONNA find out what that is really soon down on the High Council. Chambers tensions are high. Ron Has has his authority challenged which can only mean one thing. Fight to the death worth doesn't like it. How can we fight the door when we fight ourselves? He tries to intervene but only winds up helping. Gal Ron Defeat the challenge. This is the Klingon way. Didn't seem very honorable to to one Yukon. But he won. No no no. It's not to on one. Snuck around the dude but he won. There's honor that's the honor is he. One would actually say there was actually honoring the other dudes death too. So but anyway. Yeah just SORTA call that one. I'll call that one. A little filler. The fleet has arrived at the designated coordinates but there are some trouble over on the Sutherland. Option is commanding away ignoring the authority of his acting. Captain when data calls him out on it he turns into a petulant little child. Because you see is just trying to save the lives of people. Yeah we're not really going to have a problem between these two are Yeah Not Really Fan Hobson. I mean he's he's playing the role very well like said. This was expected that we got this from the beginning when right when Picard was hesitant to put them on captain and say Whoa yes part of the reason is I it might not just be like Picard. Might be okay with it but how everybody you're trying to command and especially in an emergency situation not like you can say all right the android is going to be captaining. The ship WHO's willing to work with them. It's like no you're gonNA stick him with a crew and it's like good luck. The fleet engages the blockade including some techno babble. That's going allow them to see the cloaked ships but shady. Romulo lady notices the notices the net immediately crap. That's GonNa make things difficult now. She has to resort to revealing herself. So hails the enterprise and as she comes onscreen the bridge crew freaks out. She's Commander Sailor. Hoshyar was her mother. Anthony YEP now I know who she is still didn't mean much to eat it not a whole lot like. `I picard one or two. Tasha and that. That feels like it'd be Weird. Feels like it'd be a stretch. And then they they talked about you know cloned or altered appearance and I and possibly but since you're guessing probably not like how these shows work they get on with. The story explained it for me. I'll do that. Actually Salad Calls the blockade act of aggression and orders Picard in the fleet. Gone they have twenty hours to comply all right time to figure all this out. Troy says that Salo believes what she's saying but doctor crusher says that Tasha was never pregnant and even if she had been. The math doesn't quite work out for sale. It'll be her daughter. Doesn't think any of this will have an impact on the blockade. So they'll keep doing that. At least Guinan comes visit. Guinan reminds us all about the enterprise. See she pulls yesterday's enterprise. She doesn't know how she knows but she knows that. Tasha was on board that ship and that she survived the suicide mission and that somehow a card is the one who sent her and that means that card is responsible this whole situation we get it they just don't yeah so this situation here kind reminded me of what we recently talked about in. Drummond right when we talked about kind of putting all of your faith in your Betas Lloyd Wright say I know it's like you have a feeling you have an idea however when Guinan walks in and says I know trust that that is hands that like even if she can't actually explain it. I trust that I act on that. Because she has a history of this and and it can't fully be explained but it'd be I mean it'd be the same thing right if if q came in and said you know well actually know if came in I question it. There's probably some truth to it whether or not I want to believe him because he's a jokester. We'll see guy but that brings up my question to is in the drumhead whereas Guinan. She was off making another movie at that. Yeah yeah like she would have been helpful I mean can you imagine conversation? Well that's where she was. She was not getting in way of the plots to getting in the way of blowing up a really good episode. Exactly like that like I once again. I understand but that because that's why we couldn't even have troy in the room but at the same time it would have been. I think it would have been interesting to writer right guy in it. Maybe not even put. Guinan because Guinan has a way of doing things. The way she's written that doesn't always directly give you. Hey here's what's going on. Here's what you need to know. A kind of just hints gives you a little wink and a nudge and say hey. Hey this is direction. You should be going. This is what you should be thinking about you. Go and figure out the rest. You put two pieces together here. Here's the pieces. You need hero the pieces for your puzzle. Now you go put them together. You don't need these pieces over here. I'll take those. They belong to different other here. Go and so I. I think even in the drumhead you could've had had a solid guiding conversation that you could say that about any episode. That Guinan is not in. And you can say that at least about a second point in the plot even though there's already been a and talk to go out have been in a great spot for another guy in talk she. She's the ultimate plot. Fix sure whole war still has an issue with all these challenges to the chancellor and causes a rift in his relationship with Kern it also gets them knocked out and dragged out of the bar into parts. Unknown Act Four. C meeting with Picard on board the Enterprise Exchange pleasantries to one another into a mistake. But let's be honest car doesn't want sailor to come on board. You discuss military matters. You wants to know how the heck she can be Tasha Yar daughter. She basically confirms what Guinan has already told us. Hasha was on the see sent by Picard and survived the Romulo an attack. She was taken as a concert to a high ranking. Romulo Kaptur high-ranking Romulo and she got pregnant with sailor was end. Tasha was eventually executed due to a failed escape attempt. One in which sailor gave away her mother. Sailor says that it was on that day that anything that was left in her that was human died with her. Mom for car. Doesn't believe her and we're kind of right back to where we started except you only have fourteen hour. Now we're leaving captain so just two quick points. I like how she straight up denies any involvement with the klingons. Which obviously we'd know as a full-blown lie jar but then cards line doubts. I'm full of them. Yes as as he should be prepared as. You should be out there really. I don't like all of us. Meanwhile learn bator are trying to coax warf intimating with Bay tour talking about the creepy factor. Again absolutely she. This is the second big scene effectively. This is going to join the House of Mo- G- with the House of into ruling the empire but it's not working and that's when sailor appears on the screen to tell them to cut it out. This was all just a ruse to gain Intel on the federation strengths and weaknesses. Back on the Enterprise in gower on hatch a plot to expose the Romulo in connection to the family thereby causing them to lose all of their support. Oh and by the way or it's been captured gower on hopes he dies well however a very very Klingon mindset once again I found it interesting that he even alerted picard to the fact that he works been taken but his reaction to it was pure Klingon. Romulus have developed their own. Romulus have developed their own plot. However and they're not taking the bait that Picard is laying out there for them instead they're just going to attack the ship that is commanded by the android. Oh okay save a couple of questions to the scene. We see a couple of things that sailor seems to know almost or have a quick reading from her ship or something like the one ship was retreating. It's like okay. It's one thing to know. That ships retreating. It's another to instantly say. Oh they have warped drive problems. How how do you know that like that? That feels like very valuable information to just have at the tip of your fingers. Like technology has improved that much that they just know that but that that quickly specifically it's because it feels like something that okay. I know that was part of the plan they. They're they're faking this part of it right but it feels like a weird thing to be able to get the information about your enemy that quickly. 'cause it feels like something. If they were actually having warp drive problems might take a little while for them to diagnose on their ship much less the enemy to find out about it. So see that feels to me. But then how did she know? There was an android captain. That's always the question I have. Yeah and and and then even when there was an android captain. How did she ship? He was on because as far as we know when he scans scholarship for androids. You don't get a life presence. It's right but there would be other life forms on the ship so it's not like you could say that ship has no one on it. So that must be the android ship. One person out of hundred like I we need to do is we need to call. Admiral sat back. Have HEARSE US out. Whoever this particular trader is Because it's not but then on top of that still. I was waiting for this to play out and unless I missed it. Why did she want to attack the android ship because the they were they were trying to open a gap in the net? And she wasn't falling for the bait she saw the Sutherland was sort of drifting off by itself. If we can go attack that when they can get through and they'll be like a little hole ship. Yeah so Gordon. After data it was that was the right ship to attack. Okay it just happens to be the one that's commanded by data. That was my interpretation of from what I got. Yeah like what like if if if that's the way it is like why she even mentioned but like it was that just a reminder for us that data was on the ship. I one hundred percent believe that. That's exactly what that was got was just got like a really. We're really we way to put it. I don't think we would even need that. Reminder necessarily like like if they just fire at the area and then we cut to data's on the ship and oh they they were affected by this thing that came from the Romulus. Like that would have been enough for me like I. I like for not only for her to have that information. But then why is she phrased it that way? Let's attack the one with the ANDROID. Like why I 'cause I was waiting for like you know. Firing these tax at the android is GonNa severely mess him up. And so we'll have to deal with that I I don't know but it didn't happen that way. It did happen this way act. Five card picks up on the moves that the Romulus are making an orders. Fallback of all ships data initially complies. But then he has an idea. You check something out on the computer and orders and all stop much to the grin of Hobson. The two heads for a moment hobson thinking that data doesn't care about the people he's putting endanger a data lays into the do it or our relieve you of Duty Ada staying pat you refuses to answer the hills from the enterprise data continues to issue orders and Hobson continues to push back. Data stands ground and winds up actually exposing the Romulus and forcing them to abandon the Dourados and retreating back into roms base. So I like the way. That is out I felt very kind of natural is like okay. There's a solution here. Data's going to figure it out. He's going to analyze all data very quickly and will run with cool. That's my biggest question is an and start. Really questions just feels wrong in the writing is follow my orders. I'm going to relieve your duty. Isn't that what he just asked him to do? Relieve him duty data says no and now he's like do this over. Leave your duty. When wouldn't he say hey? That seems like the worst threat. You could give that Guy Right Dow. It's like that's exactly what he was asking you for it. I mean it's like if you're if you're a kid I Dunno ha ha has a video game system in their room and like hey can I go play? Video Games. Like no stop misbehaving your. I'm going to send you to your room. That's exactly what they want. They wanted to go to their room like to me. It's always like the kid who does something bad like they're skipping class or whatever and then they get suspended. Yeah you're like yeah wait so my understanding in class is to is. Yeah I get you get you get down on the planet. The situation is hopeless for the durose. The sisters ordered the death of war. Which of course doesn't work just as beam out leaving tyrrell to face the music alone. A KLINGON civil war is over back on the enterprise data presents himself for disciplinary action. After all he did disobey a direct order. A card says not to worry about it. You actually did the right thing. Given the circumstances nicely done Mr data things as well handled. I did like the line. I was only following. Orders often leads to tragedy. Yeah it's like. Oh Yeah I can think of a few instances few particular movies in particular. Yeah holds up really well with this episode on Rewatch. Is this line where he talks today to about. Starfleet doesn't want officers who just blindly follow orders they want one to think and analyze and all these things and that's I mean actually fits well with what we saw back in in drumhead again to does ever like the card. You've you've broken the prime directive nine times. Well let's situational. He did the best thing for the situation right. So I it worked but I. It also holds up within this episode or within this pair of episodes Which is which is interesting. Because remember he didn't. They weren't written as they weren't written as pair. But if you go back to even the first the first episode There are places where you watch. You Watch card. Think about things and make an assessment of the situation before he just does what he's supposed to do or just follow orders like whether it's it's working with cower on the arbiter and what that actually means and where that doesn't mean like Picard. This isn't just advice. He's giving like he takes it seriously so I do like seeing that way matt before we wrap this up. There's one last thing to take care of. Toronto is brought into the Klingon High Council chamber to finally answer for his family crimes after a cool today is not that day. Reference Rong gives the life of Toronto to warf- which warf spares his life he gets a little pushback from current gower on but warf insists to let the boy live he was given his life and wharf has spared it. Killing him. Might have been the Klingon way. But it's not warf's way and with that you request permission to from Picard to return to duty. Which card grants the end ultimately of worth may have learned what it means? Street Klingon but made decision that I'm not focused on and that's how he's GonNa live he's GonNa live by wharfs way but little himself there. The this makes even less sense to me like I already had a question about it but he makes less sense when you you you mentioned that these episodes are set a good chunk of time in between them. Sure like they seem to make a big deal out of. Were not just taking a leave of absence but resigning and then okay. So the the enterprise without him for how long now have they filled his role and now he's just like. Hey captain I been over here for two three four weeks five months. Whatever it's like I I'm ready to come back okay. I understand Picard. Love would love to have warf back but if he's been gone for any period of time it's like you can't just leave his rule empty and so did you parole it someone within from within or did you actually just say hire someone. It's like this is going to be temporary and give them that warning like this is not a permanent like they hire an intern. Like what's going on here. So yeah that's that seems just a little bit too easy like I. Obviously they just wanted to wrap things up and get things back to normal but it. Yeah as seemed too easy. I think I think who said they had to wrap it up. Get back to normal. But I mean I. I don't think that's any worse than hey card. Just got assimilated by the board renal and become a captaining in data just took over the ship and and legit risk the lives of of one young young man on board boards come back. Hey resigned. His Commission and elves. He just wants to come back wearing. Let them come back like San hurt people in the process. Well I'm you know. And this was the everything has to reset by the end of the episode so by the end of two episodes because he's gone at the at the end of last one or go well Matt with that. Did you like these episodes? Would you watch them again? You UNDERSTAND WHY. They're part of the limited run that we're doing here at be MIA pod. I think I understand why it's part of the run. Likely talk about at the beginning and psych. Maybe not my favorite episodes but they had had their moments here and there and I. I think what's going to happen with. A lot of these is like if I see him you know reruns on TV or whatever. I'm not going to turn them off but it's not something. I necessarily choose to watch all right matt well with that. Would you like to know what our next episode is? That would be useful all right. Well we are flipping the page. We are now in season five. We're going to season five episode number two making it easy. Dr Mok. We are watching the episode Dharma. And I bel that for me. A R M O K Dharma. And everybody's heart just went pedder powder out there so now would you like to go any nothing to me. Means everything everybody else would like to know about any extra viewings we have for this week. I can make note of them. Don't worry about it because there are none. This is the next hour. Nothing between boy so Matt a man. That's going to do it or us for this week on being MIA pod. 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880 - Sleep Filled Redemption Part 2 | Sleep With TNG S5 E1

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880 - Sleep Filled Redemption Part 2 | Sleep With TNG S5 E1

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It's Partout of the first episode redemption I think also wondered if they film this for. You know apart from one another or as one episode. In I don't think I could find that online Delay didn't dig too deep a yourself last time. We've got Gal Ryan. My pen ran out of ink here our on Civil Oh. We've got to prevent the civils trouble which cooling ends. You know not many star. Trek's start out with this next generation. Ones I was would speak with you. And they're like doses Dora's is kid. We have Oh we have deer air follow us of horses. L. Speak with, used his dad. Then derisive kid tour all Taurel. Tour all I don't know if follow me. In some lasers as think picard ain't can't do it. Honor returned. That's warf- Off of off the ship enterprise how to Tasha Yar. Do Net discount card or human appear at the most inopportune times in now. They. Didn't look this up either because I do my research before a record. whose voice that was something. I missed this page in my research. If you're a patron and you see my notes usually a box put a box around the words I want to look This one is just parentheses whose voice is doing now the conclusion. It opens with trouble in space. Run Ship worse rather ship. With like withdraw. This is first teaser of some subtle teaming. He says no way man. Currencies chart a new course. Right into that star. In somebody says but Sir or something like that then there's two ships on their tail. They toss out words like corona and photo sphere. Shields her failing maintain courses Kern. Thought is going to be an gower on ship, but now he's serving for Kern. WHO's he? Shouldn't he be in charge just a question? let's see stand by. the two ships go the two ships on their tail. They go right into. They don't make sure the photo sphere. A Mine Yak. Inner Amman Yak would've said say. Two ships at a mind. Yeah, go me look here. A closing, they go into the sun. No Idea Mahan Rooting, says there two ships out. At a MON Mon.. Enterprise. And I know it says maintain course closing whatever they don't get there in the route. They go into warp drive. We have camped card meeting. Start Eight. He says we're at star based to thirty four. And a meeting with the fleet Admiral Shan't shanty. And some other like. Higher Up Dude rikers air. Guard SAGANA making his case. See Ray Karachi Sel it's worse as A few times just watch reicher watching card. Would it s a bulk rick car basically. Proposes a blockade I got intervene, but in A. Way that it was allowed. And Admiral Shanties like no, we can't intervene in. Curtis will concern Saul internal. May you know the whole thing from last episode? He and he says well who those called. The ROMULUS are involved is probably bigger. They think they're supplying them. Into using her cloaking device assault. Do a blockade will how you can catch him. Looks like I said Tash and beans, but it's tacky on beams Again, you gotTa Watch this just Reicher, watching picard and I mean it's really hard to acting like just having a be there silent and be in the. Whole time. Give me. I couldn't do remain. It can barely. A Game React Jack Beams Assemble your fleet is she says Reicher says nicely done, which becomes another? I think this gets us at the tail end of episode. And then episode opens really excessive in minutes into the show now known only as well right now. We're five eight. In Im seven something. That's funny. Then captain's log. Something says there's relatively painless Weaker in we we. Are Getting the Komo, getting permission was painless. Urban implementing the plans ain't GonNa be easy. Gravitron raker. Let's see Geordie Data Reicher Picard. Twenty collapse me no twenty ships talking about assembling the ships for the blockade. George can do twenty six. He says more ships better than Picard. It's like okay. Get those other ships Would I don't know what they were called Better data bind offering. Will in Geordie. Data, five data if I officer. They do, but he says Reicher, you'll command that ship. Jordy will be as first officer. And then we get to Kennedy CPI data, which is data stays behind, he says listen I'm confused. Commander. Looks like the Excalibur is one that Roy better shift for Reicher. but he says data says Why am I? Why are getting a ship to command he goes. Can I ask you a question personal in nature? Import goes well. I need you here. Why and he goes well you? There's an ally senior officers available. I only get twenty six years of experience, but if you don't think androids or ready command, then maybe I should work on my performance anchored goes. Go get charges USA's Donald Sutherland. That's a ship was some Gravitas. ever heard one. And he goes. There's nobody nobody better suited than new until they name a ship after me, then that'll be the most corrupt a ship. so that's that's seen James. No one does it better something would. How does that scene into? Somebody says nobody does it better. May Oh, no better suited, no one better it just made me think of the James Bond Song Maybe you're the best or whatever. But. He says no one better suited to the task than you. Is In we're at the big cling an. Hardy BETS BAD POST BATTLE PART E we get a little Mike. HAGERTY is large an actor everybody spread familiar with. We'll talk about that maybe. Kurai, Intros? who brother's named NAQQURA. INTEREST WARF to largs large lake Easter drinks around. In a more food has to do multiple W. T. fs in this. He says dude would w T.F. Should, we be working on stuff and his lake. Kern just brother same. Says doesn't matter in. He goes here. We're all calling ends A. Z. scissor nothing in your heart but duty. In, said Hardy Har Har Laugh till just now. Because there's no there well. He goes to U. Y in my heart, but I'm not gonNA. Say this duty in my heart because Have, have have a go at it Every court where he goes responsibility. Or says as. Nad Duty. And he were what about glory? We can't think about stabilisers four hundred work and the stabilisers son moves. Let's live this night like it was our last. A worth tried to join in, but then loosen bator watching and they say worsen. Ally is brother. They see no. He's trying, but he's not. You know he's unsure of himself They say maybe we could restore confidence about Hubba Hubba. Odors also wharf was sick and the camera Ataman like this half life for a little, which was cool. What does that say? Tomar and Verde tomorrow. There's Saddam said Oh. That's like David Mass you sawing. Music is what they're doing. Eat drink and be married tomorrow. Big Farm in. Another ship we see we see Timothy Kohler hurt the actor. What is his hobby something I forget it. We'll find out his name. Don't worry so some name. If, we trace this back I wonder foo. Lake! This guy may have been on facebook before every other Nadu that knows everything. The data rolls up. Is Seen kind of played out a little bit like a play. I've watched this episode of Quoit a few times. In Requests I it, but it's. So data comes. He's command to the ship. obscene, or that's the same Hobson. Isa Christopher Hobson. Like we'll. We'll talk more about him. In a bid Eh data says I take command of this vessel. Note the time in the date. It DEUCES AT LAKE TO BE, transferred data says why he goes I. Don't think it'd be a good first officer. Free you. Data says you got a great record. Adequate record, I mean. And he goes I. Mean for you. In. This is I'm not big on android. Being in charge, be honest in data, really really enjoyed data's commanding. In how it had imperfections, but and I don't know who. The he goes to request in high dude. You get to work. Then if you saw data, had it rough Kurt scandal. Brian is his. Bridge Buddy. I don't know if we're Bryansk first officer but The guard said okay I mean O'Brien does fine. I'm just giving them. Har Come O'Brien. Just giving you a hard time. Brian's and the bridge. Is sure staffed? IMBO BRIAN COMEDY CAST. That's my other podcast. Righteous Chelsea, he'll be honest. O'Brien, so don't worry about If. They're getting. Underway record says engage. So that's great. Would also data goes to work does on the last scene. We see the armada which is cooled and there's a bad break Rousson say the phasers. The failures it. Oh, the sisters! Is that with this is Josh tries to calm them. So I guess the next scene is so he ca- mature, says Romulus or late whereas the supplies And then Seila, she's commanders seal as she says It doesn't matter. Re took out Memphis System Guy Garand. In who. Will be here in due course. Norse is federation fleet left star based to thirty four for cooling on territory. Twenty shifts. WHO's in charge card? See Lagos hm into Ragas. What are you what is going on in? She goes Seila. Card doesn't like you. She goes silence the child. In Day get Romulus ready. Mova move our move ours. Her side kick. Lorcy goes, we'll. Twenty ships is bluff and Szacillo says maybe he you know, but trust me I'm way more. Hyper intelligent sale is. At least strategically would also have. Perhaps I don't know when that happens. Shoot Zoom honor when she says perhaps. Better leaders Gail Ryan. has some dusty supplies better leaders who failed? WARF- We have to get to work. Oh, so then. The Rat Klingon meeting hall whatever? And, everybody's who upset with Ron. Trying to be an adult and say we gotta get to work work together to work equipped messing around with all this. Is because this isn't a locker room. he could save arm-wrestling for. Already victory. And no one really wants to listen who are breaking up all the saying now we can continue. Then we'll just see a shadow. Troy Walk on bridge is in Pre Cardinal Brian talking about sub space and now melies. Regard Calls Raker. He says time to spread to nat- or something spread the net Can't really that's undoing that. Data's ship all stop this students so. He put a pass is so passive aggressive? So, a see all stab. So he gets get their uses. You tell them we're ready? Obscene starts giving out orders. Data says he see. We got a leak. dagoes wise in the bag of Brady because we didn't test backups. So then he started ceases Terry get down to engineering. In data goes Akron phasers, everything's off line. He goes in the new Hobson ignores kice. And, once you in data goes whoa. WHOA WHOA Hobson Bre. it's inappropriate for you to determine the course of action without consulting me. Commanding Officer in then Hobson I mean really this is like A. Totally out of chain of command, he speaks back. He says and worried about the people on deck he goes everybody belay. Those orders which we do sir, In data says if this was one of the highlights of many one data, says okay now that you're going through chain of command, just Redo what you did In get back to work which I loved, he said Oh. Go ahead and do this this this stuff you just said, but not in a way like of like a is just great like it makes me undo it and do it again. A love that he gives out the same orders in seen. Data's face, Iran, eighteen, forty five. He says who I'm in a pickle here. Is They? Don't really have they have more Have a flashy bridge like the other like a mentor `prize. Locks Bridge. Card Face Sam's dirty and Reicher, he says energize, and we see the Romulo and seal. Commander. tacky on emissions something. Coming from the fleet or scanning with tech, yeah, emissions They'll find us In. See Lagos figure out a solution. I'll have to convince Picard by other means that he should get ad here. Let's see. Romulus ship. Oh, then they say hey. Ryan ships this Brian. Guard Romuald ship just showed up sailing as And then there's like a WTI moment show. A precare goes. Put Him on screen. And then he sees Tasha stands up. And then O'Brien looks up and Caesar. And then he goes Let's see what he says he goes Tasha. And she goes nope. Commander Seila. I think then every person on the ship turned. And looked, she was my mother was Tasha Yar, and then there's like major drama music. Inches you get twenty hours to hit the Road Jack. Then we have troy and Picard. and. crusher. In would assume is as possible now unless it's a Cologne, not possible for her to be Josh shares, should daughter. could be a trick or something, but she's now lying. She thinks she's Her daughter. In A. Then they Lee Burger, saying Q., then he's alone. He's flaws as thanks. You get a close up then guiding comes in. And he goes Jesus She said news travels fast It's just a distraction. She goes you. Remember the enterprise see in precursor ender three. And she was well what happened? People left on that ship they went to Romulus. Speaker says rumors. In organic note Tasha Yar was one of the people on that ship. and. She made it to Romulus in twenty three years ago. She's only twenty three twenty six, so it's not possible. Air Twenty, two, twenty, hundred, twenty, four, twenty, five, twenty, six, and gained goes. Yeah I know it's possible. Or proper. We know likely. But I do know. She was on that ship and She was an adult or yeah. And I think you center there. In Burqas Nah I. Don't think she goes I. Know that you I just know. Because, you never even met her. And they says well. If you have a vague intuition and she goes no, no, no, no. You can't dismiss this if I'm right You gotTA. You're responsible for the situation in some sense, which I think is a little bit drastic, but just trying to power card. SUPERCAR goes time to meet this commander Selah. Then the seal US might pay. Coo Lowers. Gain in. Vague intuition than we see wharf in Kern for the good of an amplifier. Is something something Joe? Would have in store for Kerner like ORF goes. We got a focus man. What do you doing in this nonsense in gower onto? In Kern goes, you chose Scour Nami man. Now you don't like him anymore. And he goes. No. It's just one more in new gringos. Don't speak about this Either follow him or don't. He's our leader. The time for debate is over. Maybe it was wrong. Choice for you to put on that uniform. Then wharf gets. Some Blackie steak war for for visit somewhere. For the good of the buyer. Something something. Worth no longer so I don't know. Time for debate is over wharf. Okay, so then there's a commercial seal roles in. The ready room of meet Catherine saw on enterprise. They're both standing. Cannibals, standoff eventually picard sits if I is arms or Karaz. A little queasy gone only question on my my, so we'll go through dialogue and a second. Some points she sits on the table with her knee up and tells her tail. And issues as all its left as Romulus in. Doubt I'm full of him fourteen hours and then pay cards thinking face. Sushi rolls inches. What some would we have to discuss A group I say Oh, they play a little chess game curbs this year doing work, no intention. And she goes. Oh, humanitarian work, regard, goose, well keep an external powers out of going on affairs And she goes well. You wouldn't have to do that anyway. 'cause we could slip by. You wouldn't even know it Unless you have waited attacked us. And she goes this I really why we're here. Is it a? WanNa know about Josh Show. You are being my mom. Regarded as well shoes was possible shoes on the see as an adult because she should've been a child right In shoes. They say she goes. Yeah, but she was twenty four years ago. Sent to bear by you from the future. And I've seen this episode I think. We covered it. Even maybe it's yesterday's enterprise. Am Not sure it was one of those time to I'm enterprise ones? And, she goes yeah. General Romulo in general in love with her made a deal in than I was born Eight regardless. Can I see your mother? She Goes No. She goes one night when I was four. She wanted me to leave Romulu. Romulus and I said this is my home. In. With my father, more or less. And she s when she also. Never to? Doubt some full that but. He Goes I. Guess you sounds like it's true, but it's not gonNA affect my judgment. In she goes fourteen hours. Use them wisely. Card thinking face than but we see petur kissing warf- Wakes up and says let me give you a kiss you, but what Then they say welcome cy, he size What do you want? Your family. Oh, they say well. Why don't we work together? Your family does not value on, or we can be friends. To rawl need A. Firm Guidance and he's going to be leader. No matter what. You could make mature. Join US And and he goes you get a world without water. We're outer has no meaning. In. TASHA CEELO calls and she says dude. I don't get time for the Shimon watching on facetime on me you, too. And she goes. Get time for any of the security protocols then. We have prepared on the bridge. He says We must expose them cow. Ryan so you gotta make a move so that they make a move Andy says okay. Was He say. Very well, somebody says he. Oh, by the way wharf is with the family now you know. Not By choice. In another picard close Then Picard raker over the game plan that to fake them out to fake seal out. We're GONNA. Make a fake gap trick them. Then, we go to see leadership ship Hershovitz some cool Nia, and it's if you like Neon, join you know if you like an you like. Romulus Romulus we like neon to. they say she's with meeting with her adviser Mo- move. Move our would ever. Say. Find Out you know. Everybody's making their moves And she says you have an idea of how to deal with this big Paul Symington disabled or network. And then she says okay, he, we say. One of the ships ran out of gas In the redeploy. There's an opening in the net In first to see La- says Oh wow, not enough. Ships move move our says let's move our And she goes no, and he goes to. It's what we're waiting for. And she was yes so to speak card. He's giving us what we need. EXPECTS US TO TAKE IT A. And she goes to Wilson to energy bursts where the ANDROID is in command. So Dan happens Do, we have way through Paul say we want Black Gov Oh, think so. Go Oh. It's go time now. E, O, nine five I don't know what any of that is Oh that was SEALERS. She says that's where they send the tacky on disruptor. Touch Call the Sutherland Today say oh, the O'Brien says Yoder's It's all disrupted. They call data in the Sutherland. He says Yes sir, ten million Ma Mama Tours of Non Detection. In says Oh boy better fall back You because. You'RE GONNA. Go through. Fallback will reestablish a nets which doesn't seem like the best. Move my opinion. I mean maybe just buying them time to out. Think which happens Sin Hobson says okay. Everybody was supposed to go to game ahead Ron. In data, says okay, get the course ready. And then data up. He goes to a computer. let's see this is a great great couple of scenes. Even in my notes used to strong words, describe this guy so dagoes computer. The Guy Sits by looking at what he's doing. He's in Lake, holy. Mackerel. And what are you doing in new data goes? He was attack on. There may be a residual Tekken signature. In goes well. We don't have waived detecting. It's A. Regard grow data goes all stop. And the guy goes sir. The fleets been ordered Gamma Ed re whatever. In data goes to. If we don't do this now, it'll be too late. Reconfigure the sensors ion particles. The guy still has something to say He goes to. Sit aside all stop Egos Oh Yeah areas flooded with TAC. Yeah, particles never find it. Data Goes Emma aware of the difficulties. phasers on and the GIGGLES. What about the Sirri decks? Dagoes will take care of that when it's easier. In this guy reminded me a lot of facebook I said it was this guy on facebook before was invented Because see, he's next goal. Thanks I've seen like A. The splinters I mean this guy is like explaining before was a thing. He says you know he's projecting a meaning onto dated. It's irrelevant and he says you don't care about. The people on the ship were not machines Amputate. Was Potato, I don't know why said that would be data goes Hobson carry out your my orders are all relieve you of duty. And it goes not to do you know not see you know. He goes to the D. U. T. Y.. In, he goes. Yes, sir. We see it was a great. You should definitely watch this then captain. O'Brien says capped and Carter Sutherland. SNACK COMING KIRK call him. Then hob senses enterprises calling. In data goes sweep maximum range, and he goes aren't going to answer the call in data. Just ignore like this is how you supposed to do to. You just ignores it. Goes Okay overlay to display highlighting signatures to concentrate a sensor sweep Still just like commenters assist, this is pointless sees readings could be anything no way to Ferris to figure this out. Data goes okay. Goku reconfigure for level Sakes The gang goes to level six in the data goes. Do it but very strongly. In Command as commander. It didn't. The Guy Goes Okay I'm already he? Go- like Quick cards calling. In every card says, dude data. Hey, what's up? In data goes standby and get ready Hobson in Hobbs thinkers. Don't you hear Cards calling in Dagoes to go go. into it Dude Esprit de Data Ace's at all. Do It Boo Boo something. A bit and they detect a convoy data stands It, as they say, Oh, boy, absent goes. Their move ARGO CEELO robust. And she goes. Let's get out here. On, that's in mover, says they need this convoy. Otherwise I can't win. And she goes, it's six over and they go. Move Our says wish I tell or simple tour's. She goes there on their own. Then Hobson says okay. They're headed back. Data goes to make a fool report Take phasers off line Queen Things End then hop since fully been, he goes. Yes, sir. Captain. In if data had sick truly, who'd you go? You're like? You'RE GONNA, be cleaning. Cleaning the latrines should the next six months. Data's FRY. Nicer Than A. Where we. Data stands heading back. Make full report. Yes, Sir Captain Data Pause. He likes it. Tore all is is like we're in. Trouble were defeated. Where the Ramya in. New Cape Tour all in war scare. Wharf takes over sisters. Ditch Osa sisters do ditch your tour all. Is Worth takes, over. Tour August? Romulus ever came. So worth takes over. And that's it then Tall wore off or is in then Kern breaks in. A says hello, tour all twirl. Ro Tor all. It then. We have captains, Salah personal personal log ballet, four fifty twenty five point four regard goes yet. We got it guarantees. Victory were at going on home world where I'm going to do a full reports. Then regards this is a data. Come in, I know. I disobeyed an order. Even ends. Don't justify the means in bigger because no, they don't. But also have people fly just just following orders malignly without knowing the situation. It goes in noted it in your record. In Dago he goes Mr data nicely done. and. It goes great sir. then. Nicely done smile Oh, occurred smiles There's an ice. Then we see a Klingon life fixture for a little lyle. Gower on his great report card. One last matter to attend to bring war from current command then tour all. In they say tour all your busted in. Torres goes duress. Families Rules In, who guarantees not today, he goes warf- This is a family that took your honor. It gives you tour all. In is a prefer to traditionally. Take tour all the big farm. And they go. This is our way, even occurrences. Klingon way in this could collect. Is just classic grade, an great character, or if goes no, but it is not my way great acting. Goes. He hasn't done anything and can't make him totally responsible for his family. and. Then they say well currence going to have to do it, One of the Ad, this is actor. Garon reminds me the. This sat. We'll talk about. The Real Actors Robert O. Reilly. Would a world says no, this is they say well current could take tour ALDAG WARF goes. No, no, no, he's mine. Just you know, put them in. Whatever he goes, I'm sparing them. And then. Goes as you wish, and then turns to cook. Picard goes permission to return to duty Sir. Regard says granted, and then they walk off together so great end of the episode. So, really good stuff now it's run through some notes here. One thing was Tasha. Yar reminding me of this game? Ever played called Jars Ravine show. Now Link to it. It was a for the Atari. Twenty six hundred and the game boy advanced in Gameboy collar. And, it just always had really cool album cover like it just always a head, really cool album cover. As a link to it in a showdown, say that as game yards revenge. This episode could have been called. It's not yours or van Shabby, but Another great comedian. They cower on reminded me of some of that I grew up watching in really influenced me. I guess I was watching it on repeat Is Joe Flaherty from SCTV the Canadian sketch. TV Show and Group He's also been on a lot of other things. used also on National Lampoon Radio Hour. In she's been in movies, US beg to the future part two happy Gilmore. Each other other children, but he's sound freaks and Geeks. But. He's just one of my favorite comedians. From watching those repeats SETV that up I have to re again. Convoy I think of The Song Convoy Being Sung Ballet Comber Sim. Being, sung by Homer Simpson, but I said who would is kind of weights, nineteen, seventy five novelty sawing. According to Wikipedia so for all everything's been from wikipedia. Is Busy performed by CW McCall in. Voiced by bill freeze, and Chip Davis says a character. She'll be Moco Hall. It but it hit number one on country and pop charts In, it's considered one of the greatest country songs of all time. It has CV dialogue CB, slang in the chorus something something, great, big convoy trucking through the night or something like that. And when they talk about, it just reminded me that. Let's see where else it's been. It's been remade a few times. A Lot and. Paul Brandt version of Christmas convoy. Don't see any mention of it in the simpsons but I know it was in there. Aitken here homer singing. I'm almost positive Then these lyrics came up a join us, said this. My daughter's been big on pippen, so this is from the musical pimp in join us leaves her fields to flower. Join us, leave your cheese to sour. Join US come and wasting our to do doodle do. A Journey journey to a spot exciting, mystic and exotic. Journey through Antibiotic Review and two Diabetic Review. We've got magic just for you. We've got miracle place to play. You've got parts to reform and hearts to warm. Kings and things to take you by storm as we go along our way. And that's from musical pippin. If you're beginning to seventy style musicals like hair. I think you should definitely check out pippen I haven't seen ever listened to the cast album. But I have not seen the musical a daughter law who's seen it twice since she loved it local, just a local small version of. You, but we all know there's no small performers. What about a hey over to memory Alpha Phantom. com, you know the memory Alpha Wicky. It's about the rules around cloning and stuff in a star Trek No a clone means What is the Lee there is dominion. They did it a lot. this must have been. L. A. Episode I. Haven't Seen William Reicher. Claimed that one hundred or a hundred thousand rikers if he was cloned would diminish his status in the episode up the long ladder. is in Romans did make a Jean Luc Picard version even seen this episode either. Way Does that in. His ROMULUS. Yet. Don't want to spoil anything though you'd think there. Would I guess I thought it'd be more clear on the law that it was outlawed or something. Couple, other performers in this episode that you recognize Was Timothy. He played the S- Planer he's been on a lot of CBS dramas, but he I don't know where I recognized from maybe Thelma and Louise Beverly Hills Cop, three. Or maybe I'd just seen this episode so many times He? Really does a great job of being. Like someone you, don't you don't do not roof for. he's done a lot of guests starring though quantum leap x-files midnight caller empty nest. Roseanne law and order La Law. TV movies is CSI. twenty four. Yeah lots of stuff, so you're judging amy frazier. So, using the ghost ghostbusters So you spend a lot of things. He's been a lot of movies So he's somebody recognize a working girl being Cadillac Confrontation Tober. Air Force One. So when I had to look up and then Mike Hagerty now this is someone holy. You recognize him. He played right. Forget who he played the. Like the somebody that was working with the duress family like the head of one of derosa groups. He's American actor is used on friends He's an curb your enthusiasm. Martin Cheers Wayne's brothers wonder years Seinfeld Carlin show. A started in the second city. He's no for Chicago accent and his thick mustache. More recently has been on the Goldbergs back in the day Brooklyn nine nine. Entourage. Desperate housewives. Are. He's been in movies. definitely recognize him. He's got very sick. He has creaky Dole. He is tricky, dulcet tones from no doubt about it. so just another person. I want to point out. I think they had said. Oh you WANNA. Know more about a musical pippin. Yeah, let me look that up for you. Sorry about that. Okay, just shot over. wikipedia again is in nineteen seventy-two musical. Stephen Schwartz robber. Robert Roger O. Hurson a Bob Fosse directed the original Broadway production and helped on the book. Uses premise of a mysterious performance troupe to tell the story of a young prince searching for meaning and significance Happens during Charlemagne 'cause I thought. When you hear the music, you say okay. When does take place? It takes place in the. Middle, ages. Show is pro finance motown records. is thirty six longest running Broadway show. Oh Ben Vereen was ended and Patina. Miller There was a twenty thirteen revival. It was conceived as a student musical titled. PIP IN. in reporting by Carnegie Mellon Says Scotch, and Soda, Cedar Troop. In the wikipedia article breaks out the plot which I've sent on one infringe on. Does new productions? My avin extended. Ending. Is So pippen was written reformed in one act and a single act structure does not accommodate usually intermission. Many Times of course, it is broken to axe. Anders currently two act version out there licensed by music theatre. International in the intermission comes after morning glow. wish I. 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Episode 438 - The Wicker Man (2006) [Live at the Gramercy Theatre]

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Episode 438 - The Wicker Man (2006) [Live at the Gramercy Theatre]

"This is a head gamma podcast ladies and gentlemen. Do not adjust your headsets because that's right. This is yet another live. We hate movies recording being broadcast to you right. Now that's right now. We've got a couple of cool announcements <hes> for one one. We've got a patriot episode on national treasure book of secrets out. That's awesome. We're also opening the door for you. Owe on what happens because sometimes tap into yet because we're we're going to be releasing an episode of the next this month <hes> on space seed and something else in the skin of evils t._n._g. Episode where tasha yar dies and this is going to be unlocked to the public exactly so you. I've been curious about the nexus. Now's a good time to check that episode out. It's going to be on this main feed. You'll see you'll enjoy it. You'll see it. It's one of the it's one of the more ridiculous episodes of the nexus. It's a great time so if you've been curious about dipping your toe in those patriot waters. 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We are changing the what we would call in the prime episode right to a we love movies episode single month starting with andrew japan. What are we starting with. Holy shit. It's goldeneye yeah man the starting in september. We're going to kick off with golden eye on the main on the patriots right may <hes> five feet. It's going to be awesome. We already recorded that episode and i believe it is actually longer than the film you wanna tune in but it's just it's great. It's a new way to kind of clear our heads a bit as watching some stuff that we actually enjoy watching the we love movies month. We did last december. <hes> was super fucking popular so we figured hey. This is a good way to do it year round but never fear this december. We love movies. Month is coming in unfolded. 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Oh my goodness antastic film to have a discussion about this at the aladdin it exactly and if you're anywhere near portland that's our own the pacific northwest show so you want to kind of glomming glomming on there because it's big it's a big. It's a big venue but you know seattle. Get off your duff yeah if i can haul ass from new york we don't i'm phillip. We don't get to see the genie. This show is the genie they've been saying this. They've been taunting us. We would like to see the and if we don't fill the aladdin theatre later guys the orphanage close and then the next night not actually on november the tenth which is sunday. We're going to los angeles going back to the hollywood. Improv chris cabinet talk about what the karate kid the original now on all man. I i cannot wait that fucking mrs larusso man for a single mom. She's ready to party -solutely grab rob. You're watching karate kid and you're like mrs. The rooster goodness gracious mercedes ruehl right. I'm not crazy. Saentis rule. I it is this is the one toyota sucks house. That's very good her off. I'll fucking figure it out but as thank you sure that's fine so <hes> misses the real conversations aside we will be at the highlighted improv talking about the original karate kid on november. The tenth is going to be a lot of fun for information about all of these shows head over to w._h._m. Podcast dot com click on that who had tab ticketing information is there for all four shows night to give an update about the mercedes ruehl situated zahn mercedes ruehl. It's randy heller randy the again that's w._h._m. Podcast dot com click on that tour tab four shows in this fall. It's gonna be a lot of fun now. Please enjoy what turned the final episode final show of our east cage tour. We're talking about the neal. The wicker man remake <hes> this is wicker man. Two thousand six live live at the gramercy theatre from right here in new york city in new york city. What is happening <music> sound that you guys chris cabin. You've been brought here of your own accord. We're gonna kill them right. There's yeah this is the end of the tour. This is what we've been building. I'm like ten years of this show. Just fucking being executed on the stage. It's my time. We have a giant wicker man backstage. We're gonna roll out soon. Yeah it's full of pigs and shit made gene. We're gonna burn this. It's a weird thing to cheer for. You go with it. My name is andrew juban. I'm chris cabin eric cisco stephen sadek and we are we. Hey movies right here ear and new york city. We've been talking about nicholas cage for four buck in days man in the history of his there. Is this untrue detective season to like neck and neck <hes> <hes> vince vaughn. Are you sure yes oh wedding crash. Yeah him wow. Oh wow you went with vans times kind of a flat circle understand. Who was that george lucas the chicken add the flat circle later in post. We didn't have the technology to the flat circle at the time. <hes> <music> really quickly you guys how many of you are familiar with the program. We run on the internet people very cool. If you're not like we always say if you're here for the first time here on an awkward first date you have to fight yeah. Give and take you guys pfeiffer. Uh yeah we'll talk into the microphone. That's right alternatively or a comedy show. It's a podcast for the older people. There's internet radio pod who were my drawers. Take a bad movie and use it as a jumping off point for more entertaining and profane conversation so really quickly. I would like to know how many before we announced the tour. How many have you guys have seen this movie before fair enough. How many of you watched it in advance of this tour only only apologies you poor souls. Sorry it's kind of a b. movie. Get the fuck out right off the bat exit there. There's an exit over there and may and how many guys would consider yourselves. Nicholas cage fanatics whole thing someone said to me a couple of nights ago like doing this shit on nicholas cage and it was like well but we love him. Yeah it ought he makes bad choices sure well okay. Many of you are neil labute fanatic fuck four take it back. Whoever did that take it back. What a weird thing to admit in public man and you guys are brave yeah. This is a remake of that old movie that was about paganism versus christianity and this movie's about fucking women whiteboards as women with cross through it line women lying be lovin honey making women. Let me right two hundred pages. Just yell the word bitch at the end yeah just one the one i think the script was like and then nicholas just says bitch repeatedly how many have seen the original film with christopher lay right now and it made sense those pig stuff. They were pretty cool like if the paganism was allowed to stick around owns there would have been reformations and we'd be totally normal more holidays and there's like folk songs about fucking in barley and fucking corn going on. It's really nice really nice. That's disgusting man. That's like fucking upbeat. You're just getting shit everywhere. We should have like put in modern songs stained deigned get stained in it yeah. We should've groped it up a little bit like nu metal up that soundtrack. It was two thousand six afraid to be u._p. We all stainless cetera and that goes on for a while yeah. We felt like it just from down here so a lot of you have seen this movie right. This is a movie where nicholas this cage is tricked into coming out onto island. Resume reason missing child something something burns's death at the end. I feel like if you re making a movie with a famous vamos twist ending the move and i could be wrong with the move to not do the exact same twist at just. Maybe you've come here of your own accord continental breakfast. Oh these donuts otherwise it was pretty good. I'll give you five stars on so in this movie. Nicholas cage is he's a chip. He's part of the california a highway patrol and he has a little bit of traffic accident. Would you unintentionally one of the funniest things you'll ever see. Living in stephen stephen king's main like this is a main road from pet cemetery trucking route in the middle of this fucking highway not only that it's like a ghost truck because you watch that scene. It's just like what l. truck. Come first and last self driving truck. They're like we're going to try it out. It's gonna be great. We're gonna cut the truckers throats financially ono killed a man woman or did it or or conversely or did it. I guess we'll find out notice aaron eckhart at the beginning of this movie for no the reason he's just sitting at the truck. Stop bar. Having coffee leaves immediately. He texted me like hey man. You want to get copies it. Yeah yeah sure you get your coffee and he's like oh fuck of mine a movie no and that's the thing i think they filmed him quitting. He was like oh wait. Fuck bucket this. It's two thousand six batman twos right around the corner but like he has the cop friend. The guy was like oh man this letter. Other seems messed up make that aaron eckhart as opposed to no one. I bet you'll still onto put him on the poster and aaron eckhart as there's diner patron. Come on air and just do it for me. Come on i got a disaster on my answer well. He was in that other abhorrent movie. Where in the man yeah your friends and neighbors good poster bad movie poster that movie look really important but it's not does does this movie count as good good poster bad mood posters awful. This looks like rob zombie album and similar to the thirteen ghosts remai- have reface remember that one onishi lou bennett he's writing tickets and this girl throws a doll out and he picks it up and he's like hey lady picks it up like mad max on the highway one arm off this. It's a risky he didn't need. Let me take my life into my own hands for litter but this is after he's picked up a tony tony robinson dave o'brien by a guy who looks like paul giamati shave says everything's okay a shaved off that beard i look like an anti and my own audiobook cover to love yourself first. You have to love yourself. I try to take my own fucking advice and the lady over and he's like hey you dropped this unlike the girls oh thanks and throws it out again and i know this girl is like three seconds away from exploding again. I think that that's wrong or is she. But is that bad. I don't know i just is what bad role exploding sheep might deserve it. This is two times in a row. I totally agree yeah. Throws it out the second time she's like. I threw it out for a fucking reason and the mother says they're moving living and it's like you're just being bad. Movers come on role that window. Yes like this. This little girl will be fucking terror at applebee's. You know what i mean. Oh <hes> we get stuck right next door to sorry. That's what waiters do pick it up. You know that kind of a thing and they are working for tips and then truck goes through the applebee's his ghost truck it hits them and he's like almost going to get them out and then it explodes and he becomes ghost writer and we'll you know something's up for a second because that doesn't even tried to get out of the car yeah. She's like three inches away from him and he's like you food and she's like to me now. Am i crazy. They appear at the end of the film during the wicker ringing and dude spoilers man moved moved saw the movie so it's just like how did they get outs are they. Are the magic yeah. David copperfield is part of the whole thing. There's a lot of mirrors yeah. Maybe david blaine street magic that was street magic technically highway magic way magic. It's the same thing but a little more intense chance more explosions so he's like off the force. He's taking some are are a little bit and this female patrolman comes up. She's like a friend of his. She does the rudest the thing i've ever seen anyone do coming into someone's house. She comes into his house and he's like oh yeah. I'm not really accepting visitors and there's a bottle of pills on the desk and she just goes. Are these helping and i'm like well. That's so rude. He's like yeah. My dick is fine. Thank you i take it once a day and then i can going over. It just doesn't make any sense so rude. You're right. I didn't even think about that letter from your divorce attorney <hes> some hot water it by in a vampire inviting you into my house. Do anything you want. Wow this alimonies high. She's screwing yeah right. That's so rude and it's like basically he's just taking some time off. He doesn't know if he's gonna come back to the forest like he's acting like a teenager like she's like ah he's a war can't quit the force. My dad will hit me like what is he being like haunted because he is my dad would hate me so that dude's dad dad. My dad would kill me. I think that might mean like have you ever found out. My dad would kill me if he's he's. I thought he came from a long line of dude. Dude got wicker man. My dad was burned in effigy. Yum half wicker man on my dad's side so it doesn't count. It's only if it's your mom. I was birthed in tub of honey. Aw that's pretty good actually no. It doesn't again again fucking on a beach man. It's everywhere i meant eating the person that's burned in the hunter. I saw the chicken honey solicitous interest. I mean why summer i'll not more discovered. I mean this honey sounds amazing. It's artisanal local. Also vary would be there. Absolutely the old diners drive. We're rolling out going to summer where they're making a bomb and hot honey chickens death this bowl of bees kicking. Whoa no the breaking malay-. I'm cooking harder than them. Cater burn me without season in me. I know avocado in this helmet good thing. I always keep donkey sauce on me. The second these flames aren't shirts. I just figured out you make this movie better and he gets a letter from an ex girlfriend of his hey. My daughter is missing and you're a competent. I know it's been so long you probably want to hear from me et cetera et cetera but could you come out and see what's going on their biggest red flag this steve what's that this letter is totally written calligraphy. Yeah you ever get like a handwritten calligraphy note asking you to go somewhere. That's a hard pass the oscars what if it's the oscars not in calligraphy allegra printed out. I don't even trust cursive anymore not at all like once just because you can't read it to winton. Also i'm like parchment. The declaration of independence was pinned on on going to steal that. I'm gonna steal this letter. Two summers. I'll secret map on the back to the honey. Bee marks the spot any kind of futz around like he goes yeah. He asked his friend like hey could you. I guess it goes all the way to the police force just to be like yo dude. I'm going to be gone for a couple couple days. Literally no one's gonna miss me. Guy goes the guy goes. Hey man. Are you back like no guys like all right. Well police business to conduct doc. Please leave. She's going to legal investigation to states up. It's totally out of jurisdiction. This is insane what he's trying to do. I'm gonna expense it. That's okay right right meals an hotel so you get a ferry and he's gonna go there. He's in washington now. He tries to leave his buddy media message dan. He's like you're probably gonna laugh about this owner of service do that. Two days two thousand six man that cell phone cuts out release yeah. Just there was a cloud that went over. They lost the signal this. This ferry ride starts my favorite part of this movie that comes up a couple of times the totally unnecessary hallucinations having he keeps seeing this girl get ram truck. It's and it gets funnier every fucking retired. He has nightmares in d._v._d. Menu does pale white from the movie that you've already the and he's not even hearing during like what's going on. It just says special features cast bio in the corner and it's one over and over and over and all about the first x. men demand humana takes a while to get anywhere. It's a bunch of doors open. I man thank you. I hated that you guys remember. We're talking about. It's like you just. I just wanna fuck in watch x. Men and you got to solve puzzles or the season a season to buffy d._v._d. Yeah really you go through a fucking graveyard. A hayride watch a gut their episode where they had like. I had the box set of all the nightmare on elm street three movies and i was like oh you wanna watch part three navigate your way through a haunted house. Fuck you play it. I'm already kind of drunk. This is not helping a big the simpsons ones you selected it and then they danced for like twenty minutes that was longer than the episode so yeah. He sees this girl old man rance about d._v._d. That dead art art yeah uh he wants to get to the to get to the island. He has to bribe like a harbor pilot there yeah and he's he this is his main business bringing things over there and he's i can't take you over there about one hundred bucks. Y'all throw roll my livelihood away from one hundred women's that island where men disappear all the time why not uh-huh a cage as dumb line though it doesn't say one hundred bucks. He's like how about from a friend mr grant and his twin ulysses. When do you get it pilot. It's a hundred dollars. He just forgot which one was on which he thought it was two hundred bucks wow ten thousand dollars why sabri whatever somebody ninety five thousand dollar bills and it was that line that made me realize this whole like four different nicholas cage movies in four days was fucking dumb because the second i heard him say the name of a president i just started thinking about national treasurer forgot what movie i was watching and had to fucking seizure in the living in room how about for two clues to ulysses s grant's treasure and he gets there and like guys aren't man be cool about it and he knocks on him immediately like there's this lady was like well. What are you doing here. No one's allowed on this island. It's private and she's like oh did that. Harbor pilot it is a they're holding this bleeding sack. Something and it's like oh. What is that a shark which first aw that's this i guess short and he's a policeman coming there to investigate a murder outta jurisdiction and they're like yeah. It's fine just look in the sack. Is oh okay well. We know it's scary spooky. I'm on listen. You're a police officer. They're investigating a missing girl. A bunch of fucking hillbillies roll up holding a sack. That's twitching and dripping blood. I'm i'm looking for a girl not blood campy her and it's all because i don't wanna look foolish like dude. It's an investigation investigate. Have on your face face every so often. He's hiking up this hill man to get from like where the pilot dropped him off. He's sweating right through this piece. I thought it was going to come off slide right off but and this investigation skills this is why he was writing speeding tickets yeah we should talk about because we talked about it every night well. It's a different piece every tonight. It's been a different movie every night and the different piece every night but the interesting thing is we noticed this time around that he has a credit his own credited hairdresser which is clearly like the person that like shaves the rug off of the floor and puts it on his head but it's also interesting because clearly like that has to be someone's specific in a black room. I'm like oh yeah next gonna do his hair real quick well. We filming down there in a second like they do. They say incantation to get it on. There like a black room like the lights are off like the june the dart yeah. We're just like a curtain so no one could see what's going to shore well. This is back to what we pointed out with the film knowing this is a piece with with no sideburns attached. Was that extra. I don't understand a person with no side breath. It's very unnatural. If you're buying a piece shell out for burns riding a bike a lot. It's a little quicker lubov aero dynamic that make sense. Oh i see gas powered motors. There's like so this first encounter with the shark beast or whatever is in that thing just a second jelly. Dude begins sub like every person he talks to who is he's like well. I'm here to investigate the mission of rohan woodward. Oh yeah okay. She's not here so bad at lying to him everybody about everything. It's not just the murder we don't know ooh. I don't see anybody but he's also like he gets belligerent immediately like he is a little annoyed with the sexy and then he goes up to the end and he's a good fucking room or what and it's whoa whoa. That's the problem and i think that's the beauty of of it all. It's like instantly rude and and just getting in these women's phases and you know yeah. The bar maid serves immed- and yet it's the grossest beverage average of all time but that's all they had also looks around. There must be ladies night all right you know what shot and he kills a oh. It's that's homicide on the island. That's what they care about little girls men they can die. I know you smushed a somewhere. There's been a crossover of this movie. It would make sense. Maybe that was the being killed. Oh very benson was murdered. There's no reason nice. Remember the name of jerry seinfeld character but maybe where's that in your mind palace. What's a my pal it. Ah palace nine palace-like mind palace. I thought you said my pals like a website like these are my pals. Isn't that like a kids show on netflix. That's what we're renaming the podcast pals. I like the idea of like a cute. Little b movie is going on animated thing like oh. We gotta make all this money and you zoom out. It's the fucking wicker man dan movies at once one is about like this cute little honey shortage code. It's a joy it weaker so we finally meets up with this lady friend and she's playing like they're all not listening to me. They don't believe me but everybody knows you're just watching the wicker man like she's in on and like she's like noticeably younger than her but they're pretending attending the same age which really were they doing all these movies where it's like oh remember when we used to have those times when i was nineteen and you're thirty eight. She's like title era raffi ona apple looking at nick fucking cades. She looks so much like feeling apple. It's disturbing turned out. He's just some australian actress. He hasn't hasn't done much with the last name b. o. Do you think that's what landed the role. They want to put as much be reverend as possible into this. If you didn't notice the truck stop waitress called nick cage honey yeah. It was called honey multiple times. Wow that's brilliant. Screen arthur was supposed to have the ellen burstyn role uh-huh. Oh shit better movie. That would have been awesome. I love ellen burstyn but i love be arthur. Moore came here of your own accord. Do that's another couple where the old build lady was was younger than yet still getty was is younger than my. You're blowing smoke on the bees. She'd be drinking the whole time. It would be great. I mean ellen. Burstyn outfits are a little less weird than the shit's. You're on the golden girls though arthur like a bartender star wars holiday special a holiday special. You guys like that before you were done asking the question. I definitely just heard some dude. Go yup that kinda room answer. I an internet radio guys gals and they know about the star wars holidays. I just feel like the the trick of this. Show is like waiting for them to finally talk about star wars george lucas. It was foreshadowed. Nick cage is in the hotel and leelee sobieski is stretched you in is it in okay so fucking hotel to weston. She's credited by the way in the end credits sister hunting lease opiates but i mean that's a chosen one if you were like they all have plant names. There's there's like <hes> sister. Rose honey was born with beatty chlorine. Do please note go to the exit signs at all times but i just want god damn it. That's what i'm going for your riley so like the teenager that nick ages he goes into his room and he doesn't find his apology ahmadi tapes and he starts screaming. Where's my tapes ap's. Where's my tapes mom who went through my stuff. Listen to buy tapes and make fun of me. Also i'm holding thing that for tony spoiler alert the whole thing is like you know he's. It's all elite up to killing him at the end. I guess the idea is like oh yes. The ritual must be the wicker man must be fifty feet tall and he must be the guy that goes in there must have had sex with one of our women earlier and this that and the other thing and we have to fuck with him for forty forty eight hours to just increasing amounts just whatever otake tapes by why it has to be because this is the most roundabout way to fucking kill someone uh-huh i've ever seen it'd be so much easier to do just come on in. Oh what do you make your daughter and just hang out for a couple of days and then then kill. I think they're still building building the wicker man. They're like a movie just about the building of the wicker man like a rogue one of the wicker. What's that thing over there. It looks like it's two feet or something is that what is that nothing shit. It rained all night. Gonna pull it back the oh man it's cherrywood. That's gonna we plan the date. It has to be made. They may i. There's there's no rain date. It's gotta be rain or shine. How's it gonna earn. If it rains all right. Get tell the pilot to bring us gasoline fuck killed the pilot and and the way they kill the pilot is so weird they cut off his arm and stick branches in it and also in his mouth. What is this titus andronicus. They've talked that dude up towards the end of the movie. You realize oh this is all set up from the start from the very beginning so the pilot was doing what they wanted him to do. They just kill kill him anyway. You know it's just bad practice. It was a test nicholas cage. Not only was the wicker man the whole time is also a secret shopper and for that pilot nobody knew and because he failed that's it no no the district manager might be coming undercover boss of this islands. I also love how like this guy sticks his eyes and all this shit. Nicholas cage is still reaching a good man. He might be okay. You can eyeball that one. He's he's dead and like. This is like this sort of the increasingly like he goes to bed. He hears noises. There's so so much of messing around in barnes in this movie and like falls through this creepy barn or does he hangs on fighting this barn yeah. This barn kicks shit out of him but he tries his best. This is the fourth straight movie where he falls through the floor and pulls himself back up and i was there is no upper body strength and nicholas cage to pull that off rocky seven. He's fighting a barn you but you wisdom broadside that the structure oh my other furniture's gone they live with the storage in the ball rock put on these. Hey gloves and get to work. That bond was forced in hell iraq. You know who hell barn. I like a bunch of evil amish. Put it up. It was a barn forged barnes sorek nicholas cage. It would work so well pitchforks right. That's right outta. Hell that's often often found in barn often out and helen barnes. Do you think hell has a lot of arms. I think l. is mostly based. Yes hey how was very old. Yeah sure i'm the books so don't want all of you guys read the hell books really good. I i just sucks that. They changed it so much in the t._v. Show towards the end of the season. He gets breakfast the next day and he's like hey guber. Where's the hunting. This might be the rudest he gets. He's holding up one of those cute little like honeybear containers and he's like a thought you made your own. What is with this store. Bullshit and leelee sobieski is happening to walk by and this isn't a restaurant and he notices that there's all these <hes> there's a wall of pictures and he's trying to get his daughter up on that. He's gonna this as well as pictures and pictures from the festival. The previous schilling's previous offer tilling harvest harvest sister beach says that that like the fertility festivals to sacred to take you cannot vote no you can only put it up on porn hub. It's right now. The best picture is from ninety three. The spin doctors were there. Yes summarized these really like music fast. Yeah sure that's yeah some of them. Don't go along end right there and so this leelee sobieski rescues during this thing. Take me with you with which again i'm like. Is this the caa on or is. She actually tried to leave. That would make this movie interesting if someone wanted on it out yeah but she's also just fucking with him. It's like being the only sober person at a party where everyone's really wasted. It's so annoying and then you're just on the other side of the screen. Watching that happen makes it even more annoying this movie's annoying to watch it was pretty hard but in cages getting increasingly more and more annoyed and frustrated because everyone's lying to him in the school yard see and he gets really pissed tom because basically it's like okay. I'm gonna go see where rohan took classes and took class atkinson. She's taking classes at the learning annex take classes and it's molly parker a room full of younger girls and she's like hey what is the essence of a man and like these two girls ten dollars phallic symbol phallic symbol. That's bullshit creeping in it's amazing. Do you know why the two girls at the same time with that because they're one set of like nine sets of twins and yeah whatever her i also read the i._m._d._b. Trivia wrecked pat's real tongue to his folks folks calm down. His name is mel malice mail. Oh yeah that's just great writing. That's what that is and like again. You should pull whole molly parker. Can i talk to you for an investigation in the middle of the class. He erases her whole board. Oh my god just to write the name the name that he just fucking said. Why does the spelling matter. Do you know her or not like oh that took all day and they this is the scene from the original original one with is a bird stuck in a gas in the original one. It was a beetle which was i liked better. It'd be overthrow those bill running around a little nail uh-huh. Oh yeah the may pole. We don't get enough may opole. There's not a we see one in the background not enough not and they've already done. The ribbons may was invited. They're like oh sorry you're seen with cuts kurt exactly. It's like a maple leave. It featured extra. The poll are the are the kids gonna turn me around or <hes>. How's this gonna work. Neil sorry just ran at a time the the open the bird pops out and he's who would do a sick thing like that freaks the fuck out of these kids well. It's like a really what like the real mystified like bird flew out of a dead. I'd be screaming my head off. Let me say what's then. He looks like her little roster in the names right there and he turns to the rest of the class. This is like the best line in the movie. I think the best like non be line right because he's like pointing it all of them and then he turns your the biggest liar of them all. It's like a baby total fucking yours piggies lawyer at this point malia parkers like look that that girl died but it was totally regular a regular death. It was a regular old. She'll burn to death. That has the kid sometimes with that line where she says it twice twice. Oh no she's. He's like what happened. She goes she'll burned to death like say again and then she was burned like past tests towns right and then like alums alums nothing surprising but ellen burstyn is behind like watching this interaction good fucking with that was good. I like that nice brain teaser and like basics and again like he runs into another molly parker and she's like oh. What does that's it. It's just two of them that it's another irie twin thing and she goes he says like oh didn't. I just see you when she goes no this but this is he's like the only thing crappier than a woman is two of them. It'd be good to have black socks. Why do i have yellow sucks. You came came in with yellow soft ooh and like basically he keeps going back to the a mother whose name is willow willow. Woodrow were related to bob woodward actually <hes> yeah i think he would have broken this wide open uh-huh exile because nixon was hunting her all the pagans b.'s name of the book the joke don't work for like ten of you and you know what i'll take it yeah and like you'll basically he gives going back black and he's like well. How did she die in this that. I don't think she's dead. I think that they took her and blah. Blah blah. I go and visit a room. It's got like a creepy. Eerie like helped me sign underneath the desks. It's a dense etching of helped me sad emoji. It's fucking awesome because he's like. Did you see what's under this desk. Ask these are some disturbing doodles. You got nothing else to do on summer. I'll help me get me. A television set. In every house is full of disturbing doodles. That's probably pornography then choose drawing pornography well. Maybe not her but other residents for sure right. They don't have it right. You think they have pornography there. We're going around the room. We're not going to do what i'm with you. Say your name and if they had passed the micro out. We're gonna be here for four hours. You can also add what kind you think. It's all just photos of naked women with beeson them yet dude. It's all be play. We should talk about the men of the aisle right yeah. They're these dudes that i have their tongues cut out. I think maybe it's like i think the mauser filippini's oh you think all the time hold him time that they're cursed. I their mouth full of bees you human honey. They're making like these dudes are shitting on hunters through your whole body is a high and another thing you know. They've vomited out the fly okay. I don't want this company's honey anymore but it's royal and i am a favorite seasons when he takes a nap on this dock and yes like he's trying to find the harbor the harbor pilots we could use radio and descend the other thank well. This is as good as any where else to take a nap and he does and he he sees rowing under the water and he like jumps in together and she's dead any wakes up at a while that was messed up and then he looks down and she's on his lap and then he wakes up from the dream final dammit like he's talk this to- it's amazing delivery. It's fantastic but it was crazy do because that was what i sync up with the movie cajun. I set it at the exact. Same got jam because you don't need a fucking fake out in this movie. That's the middle act is just all fake outs. Go go down here. Oh it's a fake that's two this is where you also get the sexiest part of the movie though oh what's that because he gets sick and tired of waiting for this pilot to come back so he's strips down and swims the four feet of his claim it ain't bad it's just cage boxers who those little chicken can legs digitally added hair as it's going. I mean that's the thing there's some like underwater water cage in this movie and that hanging on for your life and like basically it's going on he he's asking all these questions and he's meeting all these people he meets francis conroy sixteen hundred. That's gets stung by all of the bees the bees every last them and he's allergic urging. Oh that's right yeah. It's like macaulay culkin my girl he would have been the wicker man. Had it not happened. That was wicker kid. They were running a long con on him and it was eventually going to get up there. Disney's the wicker kid is ellen burstyn his mother. Oh that could work. What's a better movie this mike girl i. I guess my goal. It's got a it's got a funny death. Finit run yeah good. I mean this one's funny too but it's only in the unrated version where you get the b helmet right be helmet his great how important detail by the way she lets slip that this girl is their daughter. Oh right yeah and he's like that's information. That could have been useful way early when you wrote that fucking calligraphy letter but also everything is bullshit so who cares in this world because because if you're doing this whole bullshitting thing. Don't you want the guarantee right there in that letter like we had a daughter. She's also gone missing yeah then. He's definitely effortless coming. They're playing too fast and loose with the scam. It bothers me. It's sloppiest ship but they also do this thing. I would do some math. I'm like oh. I was engaged to someone nine years ago. She left in a hop. I've heard from her since she wrote me. This letter saying hurt a nine year. Old daughter is missing yeah and if he knew that he could if he knew it was his daughter he could really put it to his friend in the police department like listen put out an all a._p. On this girl girl man this your booze only make him strong. It's airing eric. Stop it or i'm going to call the fbi a b. I know you can't do. We can't have to got asshole. I've been converted. He's with us now with us. Thank you honey down actually cabin. You just fucking took. The crown ground man wasn't half bad. It's worthless so yeah. He needs francis conroy. She's like the island doctors slash amateur mature photographer but as also getting his face all up at these beehives knowing that he's got. He's got the allergies he's got that old-timey bicycle and he's running right through the high death. Wish go around them. There's just something really funny about nicholas cage using a bicycle isaac for conveyance through the whole movie because it's like demeaning area used to be a motorcycle cop now. He's on fucking the same bicycle that walter matthau apple rides in i._q. And also it looks like he doesn't know how to use it really of course not well. He's just he's he's shivering from. All the beefier career he has. I have of you likes is being around. B.'s man beekeepers jerry. I feel like a glutton for punishment kind of some of these women in this commune have these beekeeper outfit so they just look like john lewis was in cardigan which i'm way into really relaxed tattoo jowl christmas photos. I guess would be the idea <hes> yeah. There's like a reindeer on them. We call it life day. Celebrate life day thought that was the wookey. I think maybe everyone does right. <hes> but jesus crisis not jesus christ is not canonical star wars. I went through the entire essential guide to characters. I can't even say happy life day anymore. Not everybody everybody celebrate day whoopy-doo didn't he give life c. three p._o. Antica antica g._m. Confusing advocates guy walk with christ. Now people are slowly filtering bar. That's plenty of star star wars just ask if i were slowly they won't notice which is true and yeah aso like he finally meets ellen burstyn and she kind of let's she's. She's giving the idea of the whole the whole situation with this island and all this stuff because what happened was settlers went to massachusetts salem massachusetts and they were like oh the witch trials. Let's travel thirty thousand miles west. How many miles a lot okay. I'm well aware i thought they lost lost their so part of the story. I wouldn't circles long time for really long book. It can dive yeah well. This is the the part of the movie where she has to give expository dialogue in case someone hasn't seen the original but she does not give a shit about this nor fish nor shall chased houston yeah. She's looking house. Exorcist reader shit yeah. I wanna fuck an academy award. Fuck you kneel and yeah they went to a salem and then we came here and we made some honey yeah you're still hanging out here even though just got stung by bees bees flying all over during this casual conversation by the way and he's smacking at him left and right and she's not getting offended like that barmaid did like one or the other movie either mad when you kill bees or they're not and he's is trying to get her television set for for heroin is nicholas cage. Marlon wayans the running around great. Mom your tvs on wheels. Let's roll edward. I'm so happy you came over stick around. I got some toffee for you jennifer for conley. I'm gonna be on television with the does this ferry coda summa's no. You're you're doing good good. Organization that you should work for zip is four guys making fun of the saddest last movie of all time yeah and she's like. She's like letting him know what's going on. She's being very like elliptical but she doesn't tell him anything. He's like what about the men she's like. They're useful in some way to which way like are are you having sex with men on that. I ought to go elsewhere to have sex with them like i was at work well when they're attacked by sky. The men can shoot the be at the plane do not think their mouths houser full of bees fool stephen you imagine though just for all right steve just a man's one to shut patrick you're watching this movie and like the dude plane flies over and ellen burstyn turns out. He's a trader and then like four these gruff voiceless motherfuckers just roll up point their faces that this guy and just go take. I mean cabins onto something. It would be stupid. City population me how awesome with that be it would work. I think it would work. I've been i've been proven wrong steve. I'm just saying we'd still be talking about this. Movie's movies victory the academy awards to this day this very day thirteen years on when it swept wept the oscars and he's like hey can i can. I zoom the bodies that cool no problem. It's not fucking from there. She has ellen burstyn has such a baller fucking move at the end of this scene and it's something i now like wish just to do like. I'm going to look for a moment when i can do this. She wants to end this conversation. She's had enough of talking to this guy. She just goes nicholas cage. Wouldn't you jesus goes. Your conveyance has arrived and then there's weirdo wheels the bike out. This guy looks like richard. <unk> grant overplayed a pervert and it's just like at that guys like in the most polite baller way i've ever well the thing is you need to. You have an estate to do that. You need one getting a state. Okay you get you get out of my apartment man. That's not going to be steve. You're conveyances here. You're what by uber great. That's always a second. I called you a new kind of an. I didn't call hooper right i did this conversation is done. I guess i guess the men are supposed to be the drones of this. They don't talk referring to it as our colony you only see them. Do manual labor like stacking logs. I don't know what they're doing with that so they can fall over it. Make it a wicker man all right the wicker man back the log. Lift them up and get yourself. A wickham isn't just would is in wicker supposed to be better than wood. It is now look here this summer. I'll you didn't tell me you need a door on this wicker man this. This is gonna be a whole nother two days festival over hold on how many coats there are so many goats at this wicker man at the end and and i like to think that there is like a goat wicker man movie also going on like all go on their own accord kind of thing. I think he's helped me. Oh man go get a letter from his ex. Girlfriend also a goat and all the sheep are acting weird when he gets they're our daughter's been kidnapped kid mapped there. It is that's all right. It was more clever than any of mine. No it was uh-huh. Oh please another inappropriate thing. He goes through like the doctor's office in the in the back room you know after she leaves i oh i love this fetuses in jars like all these pickle babies all the wrong ripley's from alien resurrection. Are there for somebody doing and honey. I no it's just he just goes to that bar in brooklyn alamo. You go right back to oh. It's like crashed or ski here. Take all the boys have been questors key right yeah north of the wall some game of thrones got it just came through although to be quite game of thrones it is like the thing the game of of thrones by the way this doctor also is like well. Yes i also am the photographer for the harvest will end. Photography agassi was taught by my mother and her mother before this passed down from time immemorial. We have been photographer. It's pretty great but when he leaves this doctor's office after getting. I think no information so he gets no information. The whole mood right he comes out and willow is standing there and he's like hey. I think i have no leads but he promises like oh onto something. I think it's gonna happen. It's right around the corner. I can feel it but first. Let's is just start making out for like he gives her a kiss like wow it'll be okay and then he's like say that's familiar mauve rob rob and actually that also happens in the goat wicker man as well as the goat good doctor's office gets no leads now two goats making get out with jeep. That's exciting for someone is the one goat three and the other twelve that also works out out at night. He digs up the body. It's not a body. Actually it's a doll in this is the famous. How did it get burned. Scene is fantastic and you know what that amounts to nothing but she says i don't know and that's the underbid acting like a guy. That's looking for something really specific at wayne read. You know what i mean. Where the walnuts i i don't know if we saw the walnut while fucking farthest he's sort of. I don't know the answer to how'd it get burned burned his fucking fire drone strike. That's what got it unless it could be a dragon from that popular game the thrones broken but it's only the faces burned like if you think the girl got burned doll. That doesn't make sense right. Someone just burned a doll faces dog or dole's face. If the girl went up the doll certainly went up as well pink so someone's burning doll face big deal a new batman villain. There's no hobbies on this island. You'd be burning dole things. We all sorts of hobbies here on summer zeile on e. making but tigra jal l. burning <hes> excuse me photography's for my mother and be only fetus pickling. That's mine too are they. Are they eating so you think oh come on. No people have eaten fetuses grow up. I need to grow up. That's what's gonna happen. <hes> uh-huh what do you think happens at the harvest festival not eating them well. That's the thing as i do need a little bit word the harvest festival you know what i mean like. Maybe some of the songs some of the game we yeah i mean i guess it takes place in autumn and this may i the one game burn the sap alive <hes> he winds up going to a crypt and again. This is just a sick prank that has played on him. He's like oh man. I see her sweater under this water. Let me get yet again. Get inside the water and they lock him under their overnight like he's a freshman on the swim team or something. He is a wet cage in a wet the task task. That's true astute observation yeah very true. He's in there for twelve hours. Eternal aquaman. Nobody does have some more hilarious visions of that girl getting hit by the puck and track but i do believe nikkei's thinks he can talk to fish the the o'dowd a hundred percent on that one yeah using similar sick d._v._d. Menu nightmares which are fun yeah one one point. It's amazing the he's. He's having this nightmare. It's like the last one i think he has where the the female patrolman comes at. You turns into a bunch of all right explodes into a swarm of bees ooh. That's the movie that i want similar similar to your like harbourmaster problem maybe at the end ellen burstyn but i've been bs the whole the dracula that'd be really cool 'cause she opens her cloak the the it's a mask worn. Oh yeah so knockout charles. It's your newest nemesis. Uh stink and this is a mutant that turns into bees. There's it's gotta be at least one and x. Men history yeah for sure yeah and so this is when he gets out and this is what he's really pissed off. This is when he starts punching people in the face anyone who gets his way. It's a punch party. It's just like dude 'cause he. Does the one that the the innkeeper beach punched in the face and he takes her bear costume which is really cool house mormon right actually before that happens he goes into sister somers isles house. Oh yeah here we go. This is what i want to talk about the p. Shining for a little while l. let him opening doors and weird shits their unexplained totally first door with his two doors talk about them madikwe length. They're both equally fucking stupid. Okay first story opens. There's a dude in this bad. Totally nude just just covered in bees obese stings. He's n._b._c. Stings these beef sting benesch stinger so so looking at him like you could close the door aso exactly like hey man. It's mccain close the door. This ain't the bathroom buddy keep looking six more stings in shoot. Get out get <music> outta here. I'm not into wasps. I i now i feel left out for there are no more be puns to me. I'm sure we'll find something and then door number two number two. There's just a naked lady. It'd be the bathroom. Where's the bathroom where's agree. How do you handed philby's to sir sir. We just don't allow you gotta you do it so it's a naked lady sitting on a stool with a bunch of bs as on laughing at him yeah laughing and lion like i think the idea is like he he's now overdressed. He's now like viciously overdraw. Oh i see i do love his wardrobe. In this movie he's wearing like this tweet suit the whole time like he he when he gets like nude on the dock and then swims. We're a little bit and then comes back. He puts the entire suit back on. He doesn't get nude well. I wish now i know all right when he when he fucking sleeps in that sewer and then he comes back up. The suit is all on-again. Hey man. It's okay to let the thai go yeah it. It dries fast too right yeah for natural. This creepy stuff happening this island. He commandeered the bike which is fantastic. You're off the pike. Get off the bike and then he pulls a gun on this step away from the it'll get there one point five times times faster. I'm gonna put a gun at you. It gets back to the end. He punches sister beach lille s._e. Comes in and he kicks her. It's like she flies against the wall and cracks all the pictures they ever kill bill fight at nowhere. It's like what are you talking about. How's that she's punching. She's taking punches giving them back to him. There's some bad post production work here because she jumps on his back and there's is like i swear to god like a tiger growls like heinous high pitch noise before the kick though oh a chop to the throat yeah save something for kilby volume to tell just to wait. It's just way too fucking stupid again. That's what people want things. There's all kinds of stupid insect jokes. Make steve. Please stupid stupid because this one woman had everyone else has like just like your regular the old mosque garage masks but this woman takes it really far as entirely full bear costume glenda come on. You're showing us all up here well. There's a real confounding conversation between her and like the dock lady because the dock ladies referring to murdering during the pilot and she's like oh hey sister what's her. What's the bear lady's name. She's like hey sister bear lady. I thing we talked about and she's like oh good and then this lady's like show is a you'll be getting back into your bear costume again. She's like yes once again to which this woman goes as soon. You're just going to be a family of bears fucking you're talking about. It's a fat joke at our expense if you let your bear costume out again this year and she's she's like come on man. We'll sister barry. Posture herself goes every year. This gets a little tighter. I'm self conscious enough. I'm address like a bear. I don't need to be a fat bear. The best thing about this bear costume is it looks like the masturbating bear from the it does one hundred percent. They wind up. He's finally at the festival. The spin doctors cancelled this year. A real bummer sister hazel pulled. They would fit vince oh well. You would have been perfect. Spin doctors pulled out because that dude had been dead for twenty five years. I think he's alive spin-doctors actress. Who am i thinking of going to be alice jane well that dude's definitely did kurt cobaine. That dude's definitely did who else is dead. People people i'm thinking of the dude from the blind melon oh right because of the because that would have been great in the bay should have played that dude's definitely been dead for twenty years in the doctor spin in the be hotter spin thing in the in the hotel room there. The third door should have been the blind melon video like you're gonna be all right in there dancing exactly but like she's all grown up and it's like oh this is just sad and he kind of closes the door you think she ever pulled all that out like a halloween. Oh for sure. I feel like the move. Is you just never talk about it or you talk about. You can't do it ever again the the never mind baby that do talk about it all. That's like naked in pools so he pulls up to other conventions. Hey you put a dollar in that pool. We'll all go grab it gary. Do your pool trig convention yeah. It's like the parking lot of the rock and roll hall of fame. Get your picture with john popper seventy one dollars. It's called pony tail gating yup. Now it's dumb. It's dumb. It's so fucking dumb and at this point there's a fake out because rohan is about to be burned and he like this cage baixas moving on tyzzer and they kinda like go through a fake kind of chasing for a little bit here. He yells at somebody right around here. You have my permission to stay out of the fucking way not too shabby pretty good. It's pretty good. He gets cell phone service for sick and then he doesn't get it anymore. Into totally pointless totally totally this movies like an hour and forty five minutes. It could have been a hot ninety. It could have been thirteen minutes. It's just the beginning joining the burning. That's it you're right because you shouldn't take roundabout way of fucker. Just kill this guy. Let's start with the extreme misery serie scene yeah and then go from there yes and then <hes> she she runs off leads him to the back to the pack and now oh my god you've come here over your own accord right that whole bit right yeah yeah and she basically kind of laying it out like all of this has been all this has been preordained and the lady from the again is a we all wrote that letter and i'm like all of you do many cooks man. That's why that thing is just like it's all over the place letter are is finished pass facet okay now you do the show and go back around brilliant if they did that because then no handwriting expert expert could ever pin in on it and that's true or it's just like we need you. I need you urgently and then someone's like oh. What if you like really fast. Oh god they have that argument for an hour our and also looks like a ransom letter that you made from different magazines. Bunch of people are doing it. That's what it should have been. He that's what a gentlemen all from honey weekly uh-huh around dude. It's real. It's real but it's not about what you think. It is fair enough. <hes> i'm not interested and you know i it turns out that little girl was in on it and we'll always everyone's on it basically and all these people start taking off their masks. I've i've seen this before times and i never realized that the patrol woman was on it the whole time cop friend from the beginning of the movie that it was the nosey nelly that looked at those pills she was in on it. You can't tell because everyone is fucking blonde to many fucking blind people. There was a man who ever just shouted. Why if you think we knew what we'd be fucking up here. I think she's in on it because it's like all there was no stamp on the letter i got so. I guess it makes sense. It's good writing well off hand delivered by her. It's a neil movie so even a female cat has has to be in on the plot at the end of term female catch to go for the little girl from the beginning as their everyone the mother both they're the people you thought exploded and sean penn comes in with a birthday cake and get shot the david fincher film the game but it's kind of like yeah again. I don't know how they pulled off the highway waste. That's the most aggressive stuff they've ever straight up magic dude. I want a whole movie about that because that's really something you know. There's fire in the car. He sends unless he's taken the bills before. Maybe we've had those bill. They spiked his coffee. That's diner. He's just tripping balls. The whole time or was frances just conroy driving the truck. Okay maybe so long for the long haul truck a bunch of bees for driving a bunch of bs steering alexander them and the wave trained me abused driving this big rig swarm of bees turns into a foot pushes the gas oh that's the bee's airlift the girl in the mother out much like the fan man yes. This makes all the sense now all right now. It's clear now now. It's clear they knock him down and they break his legs. Ooh that hurts now. This is where we diverged the agile cut cut and directors one. Yes one is way more hilarious hilarious yeah for sure and it's not the one i saw when i saw this in theaters alone who is in theaters james branko no. He's sorry didn't see we. Did any of you guys see this in theater. No not at all not at a million. I was smarter in two thousand six drugs and outside to do. He does outside right well that chris gavin. He does outside intensely. You do outside good. You see that hole in the ground. Chris gavin was here so in the theatrical cut. It's like this helicopter shot of like the little festival and you just hear nick cage cage-like director's cut you see like this misery misery as like sledgehammers was oh my god what surprised that came over everywhere left leg represents the last harvest curse and the right leg represents honey were gonna get yeah. I can make some honey mark these women up here telling me i can't make some gallagher can make aac connie okay. You know what we're going to fill his mouth with bees holy shit holy shit gallagher can do outside and then of course the be helmet which is just amazing. This from the theatrical version doesn't make a movie. I'm sorry there's no point that there's no one's coming either way who cares you're gonna sweep the razzies no matter what it didn't know for five razzies lost all of it got shut out by little man. Oh really okay well well that makes total sense. Maybe rightfully on that one never mind and it's a helmet with the put. The funnel and i don't know what this is for. I don't know oh like pouring biesen. Someone's face pete. They do this to the goats yes yes. It was like a goat shaped. One was like a snout room for the horns and it was just a k. Oh my god that goats allergic to bees. You'd never know right you going to go to the larger. Animals animals should be unique like that absolute. Francis conroy does have that weird line when he gets stung by all those bs and he's like oh. Did you use my epi pen. Yes she's like no stupid medicine. We did it the old way and i'm like what sucking working on it and allergic to be. How did you stop siphoning the sting out. It's got a little bowl full of stingers and and this is yeah he's screaming. His is they go in his mouth and it's like it's fantastic and he's screaming. No no pinpoint well. It turns into a nickelodeon show. All of what would you do here. Come the ps. You know you can't be that on television. Trick going double tear. Mark summers pops out mark missile though he can also film unwrapped talks about sweet. Here's how they make the honey on mark summer's. I'll okay edward you can come out of the wicker man if you can find the ribbon in his no oh my god. I would have watched more nickelodeon if they were burning kids. I'd be watching today. It would have been like nick arcade. You die in the game. You dive right well. Jimmy lost on the magic carpet game. It's time to get thrown out back and buried alive okay children's television and and you know he he gets stung all over the place and then francis conroy does give him the epi pen because we need you alive wide you again dude. We're just fucking around. We're just before. We knew you were allergic and we still really wanted to do yeah. We do it every year in reality when he gets the knees knocked out. He's just god yes. I was still discriminate. Isn't that enough. I've done enough to me because you know what it turns into. Remember in that first austin powers movie. The gag is will ferrell falls through the floor. Yeah won't fuck indic- yes. That's what this is no no both of my legs. Now i have all these bs stings lactic shock and the wicker man shows waltzes zan lobby puff marshmallow taught him to the mood thought about a wicker man. We used to build old wicker man. Well the link a camper condo andrew knows way too many useless loans from ghostbusters burned learned a lot of all my relatives and you know they he he does do his best impression of the original all. He's doing the exact kind of thing. It's kind of great. That's what is that is that is that one for the fans. Oh he screamed like other guys scream good mood me like moving now scream good the screams zone like others grieve and i appreciate that there's a wicky wicker man pulley system they pull them up and the goat smoking a cigarette like ex-girlfriends girlfriends man me wicker goat. It's the little girl sets the buck on fire. His own daughter kills them. The pool yeah not too bad. He's screaming the whole time. Here's here's something though you don't get any shot at all of him catching fire yeah you can why not again who cares either way yeah. No no one comment that peace could set on fire it goes. I just like if it's too hot outside that catches on fire but that's what it is like they do. The bee's sting things. Oh my god. This can't get any worse. They rip off not the not the case. I was thinking more when everything else else is burned and just thing floats down on the pile of ads much like a naked gun movie so he's dead god yeah. He's long yes and if you watch the director's cut that's list billy where it is if you watched the agile continues for another like talking ten minutes because we get like a six months later situation and it's like i don't know san francisco or some ship matter. Yes sir james things branko. We're fucking. Are you james franco. We didn't fucking forget man. That's the freaks geeks section. Do people fuck. I love it over. It's more likely it's the ritter boy jason ritter tonight. Yes sister honeys at this bar leelee sobieski right and she's a honeypot report. She's luring man but you can't do everything yes they can. That's their right they. I paid for the ticket. The thing is this opens up the idea that like this shit's going on all the time and who has the energy not only have to go out. You have to get into your date someone for eight months then like leave them at the altar. Get pregnant do the whole thing and then twenty years later firm them in a good dude it gets it's more specific than that because james franco said that he just graduated from the police academy what this island the pagan bylaws duty gotta the fucking executed island hates cops 'cause they're like hey man we get the fucking news here i just want to i want to know the police academy with james franco like was he with mahoney some hijinks. It was just him in hightower. Our man also how specific is oh man. I'm also allergic to bees at this bar. Just casually letting you the audience know that specific. I think it's like a checklist thing yeah okay and franco's wearing a piece to not yet. You know it's gonna come. Oh yeah i mean it's probably already a good one. Guy's got money and so she's like a where. Are you going when you leave this place and he's well home and she's like oh home when you go will you take me with with you and he's like oh cool like we're going to have some relations. Possibly you know it's a scam. Someone's going to hit with a tire iron. Once you leave like do that moment he doesn't care them and he's not thinking scam. He's ready to get it on and the last shot of this movie in the theatrical. Oh cut his leelee sobieski going to close up laughing again doing a terrible job sure at hiding the fact that she's about to wrong this person and the she's smiling and then you hear like baked crank the levels on be noises and i was like does she have some in her bag. I thinks she's also made of bees and she's at the hippest candy be restaurant in san francisco and then just in case you forgot nicholas cage was in this movie at some point he just starts screaming on the soundtrack but all you're looking at his leelee sobieski in your hearing during bees and nicholas cage screaming stupidest thought once when i watch i know it said six months later but is this like is that is james franco nicholas cage young wrong keys willow. It's no it's not it's not dumb ideas and lay off the pipe jason ritter. Would it'd be arunachal heart. Yeah i mean he's actually jason. Ritter has more screen time than somehow somehow and that's the end of that movie. It was yes. It's it's unfortunately dedicated to johnny ramone. You know what i mean. He was really happy about that. I wanna be sedated folks. It was right there. Wow wow just can't oh eric. I wanna be your boyfriend and you were always my boyfriend's tricked. You never going to burn you. At the end of the movie. Sorry we should fit in wicker man missed opportunity at the end of the credits by the way where oh you're a a._s._p._c._a. Thing has come up. How about a nice fun. Little nobis were harm. They can't do that because they definitely were. Yeah exactly definitely definitely were. Hey if i'm signing on to this movie were killing real. Be real betis before i ask the guys on this stage. Let me throw it to you is i how many people would recommend this movie to not okay. Sh sh sh wait your parts coming. Who would not recommend this movie too. I think tonight the recommends have it and i agree. I it's it's it is it it drags in the middle. It's totally nonsensical but literally those moments of him. Getting stung by bees are worth their weight in gold. Yeah i would say watch the unrated cuts. Yeah i mean i. It's a one and done for me. You have to see just know that it exists but never see again after. I give this movie about to be yeah. No so that's right. No i'd recommend it not only for the bees though but for him jogging and be back yeah. It's so i mean so much of this movie is unintentionally hilarious he did that thing came out later. Gave the movies are supposed to be funny. Oh no you when tripped in math class. That was on purpose so you kind of laughing at yourself that time when we were in jamming i was stuck at the top of the rope way to climate i._p. In my pants totally gagged when you guys booed me. I meant that pappas so we're going to start start wrapping up here in just a sec <hes> thank you guys coming out awesome diggers around long. Thank you and thank you be guy. Oh fuck me. I didn't even see the guy someone is dressed up in a costume. That's fucking awesome. This is the oh man that's here to kill us tonight. Six p reynoso the shit that he just screamed the thing that jokers screams before he murders card yup another another quick question. Is there a paul bauer here. End up paul paul our introducing the paul our power has attended every single show this week round of applause for power that is some insane shit and areas right there. That is dedication boston d._c. Where philadelphia we were at me where i'm getting loopy. Was it worth it. Oh don't lie to the people would've brought the house down if you said no you really is this guy he's polite. It doesn't mean that so as is the case <hes> forever. We ain't movies live show. We like to end it with a little bit of internet correspondence because the the best quickest way to get the most accurate and entertaining information go on the internet and find shit on the i._m._d._b. Be user reviews action. This is where the real opinions are at people. I one we've got a couple of your first. One comes from star ocean boy seems like there should have been a sixty nine at the end of the name that worked backwards storrow should boy sixty-nine fifty nine one first and then. I'll take that i'll take usually it's the other way around. Sixty nine was taken. Yes exactly that's it backwards. Okay okay so here. We go great movie ten out of ten stars well. I thought the movie was absolutely fantastic. The story was not not only perplexing but captivating is well. I don't agree with the majority of shuns for this film and the reason may be that i have not had the opportunity to see the original film yet forty fucking years man and also i'm not amish uh so i have nothing to compare it to i was amazed at nicolas cage's portrayal of edward malice and also the pagan people have summers. I'll the movie confuse. The hell out of me always want you want when you go see man. I love being confused. I love like going to the movies paying twenty dollars to be confused. The great movies always perplex. You and i found myself trying to grasp asp and for all the information i could because i was trying to understand exactly what this movie was about. I'm waiting for the part when we get to what justifies the ten out of ten stars so far. It's pretty wishy washy. I felt that i could not quite comprehend until until it finally ended and then i still didn't understand ah the reason being was because i did not understand why the community created this elaborate plan to lure in deceive a man who knew nothing of them that his ex fiancee would allow allow their daughter to send him a fire and why the townspeople sat there and watched a man burned to death. I wasn't listening ellen. Burstyn laid it all out. Maybe went to the bathroom. What ten out of ten means that means like the best the wicker man there will be <hes> <hes> sure sure sure essentially this is what makes the movie a must see for anyone despite the reviews it allows you to think for for yourself and in the end in the end what you thought is not what is reality you know i never thought doc for myself before but i just watched the neal byu remake of the wicker man and now i'm thinking to myself again red pills yeah. Their words unplugged from the hive. Man is squeezing one more radical. We're not done yet. You get radicalized youtube videos. Now all of a sudden you like deal abuse wicker man not good not good couple more a couple of short short ones sharply. Martina care berg four three eight seven six. Martina care yup is exactly what is that okay subject line nicholas rage ten out of ten stars warning spoilers dealers. I enjoyed the part where he punched a bunch of people. Maybe the greatest greatest thing ever put to the internet. That's the end of it. That's it that's literally pounds. I enjoyed the part where he punched a bunch of people period and review sure ten out of ten stars the best movie. The last one comes from nicholas bliss cage himself says he did an interview now does not on. I'm not i mean no no no. This is also hold from the internet not the t._v. user. I'm gonna fix that score nicholas cage sixty nine trivia great great this is him talking some interview. They asked him about like you know regrets clearly. You've had a view and you know would you do you regret doing the wicker man he says <hes> i would like to hook up with one of the great japanese japanese filmmakers like the master that made ringo and i would like to take the wicker man to japan. I the actual structure or that's gonna take a lot well. The ashes would be easier getting earned except this time. He's he's a ghost. We are we. Hey movies right here in new york city everybody. Thank you so much coming out and it's been a long four days you. You been fucking awesome. We'll see you next time bye bye <music> podcast.

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Pet Semetary

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Pet Semetary

"Anti forty hello and welcome to forty going on fourteen. I am mike. I am patrick. I'm joel and i'm josh and sometimes not remade as better badda badda. Yeah he got his east coast on disney. Sometimes dead is better. Some danza fell down the stairs. Yeah so this week. We are going over pet cemetery. Nineteen eighty nine to twenty nineteen are standard. Compare and contrast about what you do with your dead cat and things. Yeah that's that's accurate. Weird fucking way to say it wrong. Hundred one things to do with the head cat. I love that book. I still have it. That's awesome in fact. I think we have two copies of. Because i think sarah had that book as well off gives kismet. So if you like dead cats and who doesn't like the show is on the podcast collective such as i am salt lake tales from the outside the portland beer club. Podcast the dog and do show and of course the red radio. Our raymond raymond. I wonder if you took all them and put them together. It would be like the mcbain thing in in since he's actually singing a song it's just taking sixty episodes to do it. Come on mike. I'm not that smart his cousin there. I rescind my statement. Although i do kinda want to go back and edit that when you did it yeah that'd be like a duet try and added them together into a song already got enough to score a year. The four of us are standing on stage at the emmys. We don't know what the hell we're doing. I don't know this happened. So what do you attribute teeter success. I have no goddamn idea where at the emmys were on tv. Yeah sure yeah. Because we do. A song and there was like goddamn they. They sing songs. Good we better. I think joel is trying to turn all the say that i think you mean the grammy's did i whatever i don't watch that shit tony's whatever they donis. The grammys the radley's is there a wally. Wally the dundee's. Why early warning if you're looking for more of this for reasons can find us on apple podcasts. Google podcasts blueberry stitcher talks repoprt from and we've got a new places we are going to be on geek life radio again. That's coming back up. We are on iheartradio spotify and was the last one that run. There's something else that was new. i can't remember. there's so many things have been adding us. Yeah this is. Been trying to get us into several different places. And i don't remember. Were places though you'll find us and if you wanna give us a call and let us know if there's places you think we should be then seven wait now rap. That's seven zero eight six nine nine seven. Two seven were available for kids parties and we are not available. No we are. I am may be but we are not. I don't wanna do kids parties before there's any more follow up. I think it's a bad to literally shirt shirt. I'm done tune in radio. That's where we are. We're on their two kids of woody allen imprisons see. It's about that time bruce. Week music movies all right. You're slowly going into the water boy. Every time you rea- justice. Joel and i talked about the other day. I always try to do that impression. I always end up turning into bobby boucher. I would like to see like this cemetery. Remained with bobby boucher living across story. Didn't they just make that. Isn't that basically what who be halloween. Is that road is dangerous. Mama says that's the devil's road. Follow me. I don't where the steep road is better. Jesus oh got damage. April twenty nine hundred. Eighty nine of the original pet cemetery music. Go the number one. Selling the land was. He drives me crazy by fine. Young cannibals could've just gonna encourage you to do it again but anything. I refused to acknowledge that. I'm not gonna do it again. That song still kind of perplexes me that it was as popular as it was but yet anytime is on still sing along. See i love that song. And i was not a huge fine young cannibals fan. Just such kind of a anomaly. The good you know good song. Trust me chris. How maple twenty eighth jon. Bon jovi married his high school sweetheart. Dorothea hurley at the graceland. Wedding chapel. In las vegas nevada. They are still married to this day. Good on him. Yeah something rarity especially for rockstars ever let alone a high school sweetheart and finally music massachusetts declared april twenty fourth the acronym of the week and kayode t be pretty sure that sense for north korea obeys the baby dictator. I like that one. North korea's best korea that may not have gotten the biggest laugh but respect that one okay. I'm glad you enjoyed it. But was he right pat. No that is new kids on the block day. Oh yeah new kids on the block that you're close. We're hanging up the block them from north korea who maybe dictators moving onto movies. The number one movie in the land was pet cemetery. Taking in twelve million dollars which broke friday the thirteenth raptors record for the highest weekend debut in april april. That's not how expected that sentence stand right. There's there's tober movies. I guess that was before. All studios like clustered their horror movies in the month before month after october and during october. Yeah i remember going to see christina in late july or something. Yeah as long as it's not january. That's where they stick all the flusher they don't have any faith in On april twenty. Third field of dreams. Starring kevin costner. James earl jones and burt. Lancaster was released. Who was burt lancaster in that film. That's what i was wondering. When i copied that i didn't look it up. Though he must have played what are the old timey. Shoeless joe types must been. Yeah i do not remember that movie. Maybe he played the the father. Yeah might make sense every time. I think burt lancaster. I always think of scrooge. oh he's the old guy with a driving cab in the mustache literally does absolutely nothing for me to figure out that one of the guys on the team. Though i'm trying to look up his character named see a while. Since i've seen that every time. I think of that movie. I think of the fact that the somebody i know was one of the camera operators for both that an home alone apparently and shooting that movie kevin costner would go bowling with the crew and my friend would get drunk and Bet his paycheck against costner's paycheck. They could beat him in bowling and he'd lose but costner would give him his money back anyway or lancaster played dr archibald moonlight graham. So yeah he was one of the players one of my favorite movies. When a james jones grabs the bat. What are you gonna do. I'm gonna beat you with as baton to go away. But you're a pacifist. What god damn it right. A george alexander. Kouris was an english film and stage actor. Colorist made his stage debut with henry. The fifth the old vic by nineteen twenty nine. He made his first broadway appearance followed by his first hollywood film role in nineteen thirty. Three a major impact on his life was orson welles whom he met in nineteen thirty. Six wells invited chorus to become a charter member of his mercury theatre. In thirty seven columbus performed the role of mark antony in the company's debut production caesar and innovative modern dress production of shakespeare's julius caesar in citizen kane colorist played walter parks thatcher financiera similar to jp morgan clerks died in london on twenty fifth of april. Nine hundred ninety nine of heart failure following parkinson's disease absorb how i mean when when i said nineteen point nine sends. He married his high school sweetheart. Filled with rich green penis fricken. That is my favorite. That might be my favorite scene in all of the critic phil we that can't be right with country that goodness green penis wait. That's terrible bees with the thing is though is that his actual recording commercials and stuff is not far off from no. That's that's the best part about that impression that it is really not that outrageous right james kirkwood. Junior was an american playwright author and actor. His best known achievement was writing a chorus line for which she received the tony award drama desk award for outstanding book of a musical and the pulitzer prize for drama. He died from aids related complications. On april twenty. First so our man that's a hell of a career indeed. I'm just glad. I got through my section without flooding word to all right my keep it going a beer for him. All right. the top shows in the land were roseanne. the cosby show cheers and different world. Now not the best lineup. We've had for the late eighties but still very eighties. So lucielle disarray. Ball was an american actress. Comedian model studio executive and producer. She was the star producer. The sitcoms i love lucy the lucy show. Here's lucy life with lucy and death. Lucy now that last one as well as a comedy television specials aired under the title the lucy desi comedy hour. Her career began in nineteen twenty nine when she landed work as a model and then she began performing her her career performing career. God damn it. She then began her performing career on broadway using the stage name. Dian belmont simon balance. She later appeared conceptual minor film roles in the nineteen thirties and forties a contract player for our ko radio pictures during this time. She met cuban bandleader desi. Arnez and the two eloped in november nineteen forty in nineteen fifty one. She and arnez created the. I love lucy. A series of became one of the most beloved programs in television history. This just keeps going in one thousand nine hundred sixty. Two ball became the first woman to run a major television studio desi lou productions in which she produced many popular television series including mission. Impossible and star. Trek ball was nominated for thirteen. Primetime emmy awards winning four times. She was also the recipient of the golden globes. Ccb mill award in nineteen. Seventy nine inducted into the television hall of fame in one thousand nine hundred four. She received the lifetime achievement award from the kennedy center honors in one thousand nine hundred six. The governor's award from the academy of television arts and sciences in eighty nine and she continued to appear in film and television roles for the rest of her career until her death on april. Twenty six prominent. Donal a arctic aneurysm at the age of seventy seven has the singular television artists. That when they died i cried. I was very upset when she passed away. I know that you and pat or huge owns and i'm a moderately. Big fan is at is like she important all for us. I guess is the question for mike. I enjoy or stuff. I mean i will watch. It's definitely something i'll stop in. It's not like i have pictures of her hanging around the house or anything but i for career from a woman who started in tv in in stage. Twenty nine was running a studio. After all that you'll be you'll be hard pressed to find a woman in the entertainment industry more important to women in the industry then still. That's a good point. Yeah i mean she broke a lot of ground in in what she did and the thing is the other thing is that she was almost universally loved. I mean there was. Nobody was like. Oh yeah lucy's great you know only shows but real luxury had to work with her. Yeah i was going to say william frawley referred to her and brass bound bitches but she had to be that to get what she wanted to do in that time man. I mean at that point in time you couldn't. You couldn't be a wallflower of women get anything done. Yeah you had to be abreast bound bitched to run a studio the behind the scenes at the i love. Lucy studio. Were just nasty. None of the four of them got along. I mean the closest lucy dizzy and even they fought all the time. Yeah vivian had always be overweight. In order to make lucy look better and it was in her contract. She had to wait more than like fifteen pounds more than lucille ball. I think and well and lucy was was funny you know. And and vivian. Vance and william probably wouldn't speak to each other unless they were doing you know unless they were on set during their lines they would. They wouldn't talk to each other unless they were actually doing the script. Wow it was. It was ugly set. It was kind of sad to find out about that later. Yeah when i read her book. I was like wow. Yeah but it didn't ruin it for me. I still love lucy. Also a leah martine Shock what shaukat shaukat earlier shaukat. Ali shaukat born april eighteenth. American actress and artist shown for roles in state of grace recipe development. The final girls in search party. She's also guest. Starred as francis cleveland virginia hall alexander hamilton. On comedy central's drunk history. If you have not checked out drunk history definitely do so. It is very entertaining absolutely. Yeah in some episodes are better than others but the ones that are good are really fucking good. Yeah and we all know her from arrested development. That's the main way. I know her as maybe funk and she was in pee wee's big vacation as well. Yeah we did that for a show. Yeah yeah we did. Didn't we written so many shows. I like elliott shaukat. She's funny all right. Moving onto sports. On april twenty third kareem abdul-jabbar played his last game as a laker and an nba player retiring with dozens of records under his belt. Ha ha ha. You obviously know who kareem abdul-jabbar was is. He's the guy from airplane right. You tell you the drag linear and walnut down the court for forty eight minutes in game of death yes is iconic. He is one of the one of the top five basketball players of all time for sure. I just saw him in a movie to recently or was it a tv show. I don't know you're telling the story. Yeah he was a scientist and he wrote away on a bicycle. And i cannot remember what it was. Now sorry moving on. That's the greatest no newer movie or it was a. I want to say it was tv show. But now i'm were you watching slam dunk ernest. Bang theory he secretly fan. He just doesn't want you guys to know if i did. You guys would know we know you. No shame as far as you like in the michael ruth just added to the list mr. He was dancing with the stars bikes start. Maybe i don't know liking with the stars. Gee maybe he did sick. Bmx tricks on dancing. With the stars on is ambi- oh must have been the last season. Because i actually didn't see the lesson. It was the last season your correct. Okay that was time well spent. And lastly the hillsborough disaster was a fatal human crush during football match at hillsborough stadium in sheffield england on april fifteenth. It occurred during a semifinal match between liverpool and nottingham forest shortly before kick-off in an attempt to ease overcrowding outside the interest turnstiles. The police match commander. David duck unfilled ordered exit. Gate see opened jones imagining an auto fail leading to an influx of even more supporters to the pens this lead to a crowding in the pens and the crush ninety. Four people died that day. Another person died in the hospital days later and the final victim who never regained. Consciousness died in nineteen ninety-three. The match was abandoned but was restaged with liverpool winning and going on to win the fa cup with ninety six fatalities. Seven hundred sixty six injuries. It remains the worst disaster in british sporting history. Holy shit. I was in a situation like this at one point in a stadium. I did got pretty scary. At one point. Please it at the The superdome in new orleans. My friend my friend. Chris and i. This is back when we were roommates. We had gone out for wrestlemainia thirty which is being held there and we got stuck in this one part i mean he and i got divided actually one point and i'm standing there in this crush of people holding a soda and a plate of nachos like well. I'm about to drop the shit out of these. And just climb up the walls or something here real quick because i mean it got it got scared because we were all jammed in this one little corridor. Where we're at bottlenecked and there were probably about five hundred of us in this area and we suddenly suddenly heard the opening bell for the for the first match before the it was the preliminary matches before everything started hitting the air but people don't give a shit they want to be there everyday so people started freaking out panicking pushing and screaming on got there for a little while before it finally just released and we all went to our seats. But but did you save the nachos. I was gonna say i got to the scene with an nachos and this ota everything was fine. I in my head at one point a c. patrick nachos. I've got nachos ear people. There's food here wrestlemainia fans. Yeah i was gonna say that probably saved your life the equivalent in wrestlemainia fans pushing someone with a wheelchair. Subtlety suddenly the the crowd parts. And i walked through safely. The man has a notch owes. Everyone's whispering nachos not show saved my life that night last night at the nachos saved my life not sugar mattress. Save me. didn't i own. She's a she's christ plays all keyboard. Joel please get us out of this. Tweet gone off the rails. Bad dad dad aches. Nine hundred. eighty nine movie came out. Tragedy strikes grieving father discovers an ancient burial ground. A scientists home with power to raise the dead movies known as the pet cemetery and apparently was a bigger thing than i remember it. Being a lot of people have some Oslo for this movie. And i was a huge fan of the book but Yeah let's talk about the adaptation. Yeah so this is the nineteen eighty-nine version directed by mary. Lambert don't case you're wondering what has what things has she done before. Pet cemetery and pet cemetery to she did the video short queen's reich another rainy night without you version to video of motley crue without. She did a lot of music videos. She's jackson control and nasty video. So she's the oji mickey kind of See what you did there. Yeah kinda she is. She did the video for borderline Like virgin occasionally in there. She'd sticks a little bit of horror so she did tales from the crypt volume two and a currently. She is working on such things as to nicole. The tv show called daughters of darkness which laying bet has. Which isn't it and most recently. She did step up high water. Step up high water the hell zandt that another step up movie. They still make those site. Actually i. that's almost certainly correct. Is the high water performing arts school in atlanta. That's that that's exactly what that is. Wow yeah franchise nobody. Nobody saw coming. Apparently not joel. She also did mega python vs gatorade. She's got a really strange. Is that like a like a meteor with a gaiter with a alligator audit. Like watch royd. No it's like picking on top android made gatorade it's a gaiter with hemorrhoids. There's jesus could cala get for like humans term stomach florida everglades giant pythons or threatening the alligator populations. So i guess the alligators build the giant robotic alligator to pay to see that. Yeah we know. men don't have opposable thumbs. Are they gonna do that. Though they get the little birds that live in their mouth to do it who seeing a screenplay and novel written by stephen king. who's that the unknown author. Yeah he's some. Is this one of the ones that he doesn't even remember writing it because he was so coked out. Cujo was one. i said. He doesn't remember writing. Cujo joshua no more. He's more of the stephen expert right and this. This is actually a. I didn't wanna get into the book too much before we got through trivia. So let's let's table this for a moment. I'm back to that. Yeah yeah. Because i'm a big fan of the book actually. Yes so this is starring dale midkiff as louis creed and also his under study which played most of the part for him and i mentioned this in the trivia actually is a cardboard cutout of dale midkiff men. Personally i think the man has a the range of a yardstick curly fred. Gwynne sorry my friend was trying to be among herman munster. Yeah that was. Herman woody allen doing here in monster okay. We'll go as judd tasha yar has rachel creed right. I look at her without thinking that when your second biggest get after hugh herman munster as tasha yar. It's well i mean. He was eighty nine so to ace crosby just everybody thought they were grabbing her like the the beginning of her meteoric rise in. She didn't she did not. She was legendarily difficult to work with an overestimated her talent and power like especially on star trek. Like everybody fucking hated her. That was one of the reasons why she had such a shitty death. I she was literally killed by something like a black garbage bag. Oh yeah i remember. I i remember at the time. They said the writers said that they were trying to show that you know how dangerous everything is because even routine the whole thing behind it. What what they said to the press was. We know that everything that they do is dangerous. But we don't really reflect that because no one ever dies we wanted to show a routine death in the course of just daily performing. You know whatever it is to show how dangerous it is would in reality. They were just like now. We just want to write you off like fuck that bitch. Black yellow killer have sex with a robot and then day so hustle. Brad green quist as the bloody victor pascal michael lombard. As irwin goldman the father-in-law miko hughes as gage creed. Thoroughfare i was so wait to glazed all ellie creed and susan blom art as missy dandridge who was one of the more confusing characters of this to like hanging out now much better now much worse. Stephen king wants mentioned that the only novel that he wrote that really scared him was pet cemetery supposedly. That's because he wrote it after his son almost had a near death experience. Getting hit by a truck get the the novel is intensely cerebral. We keep going back in that direction. I'm thinking we'll get there. We'll get there okay. The first choice for the role of louis creed was actually bruce campbell. Which would have made this a completely different movie. Yeah towel. I think i would have really enjoyed to see this I love risk campbell. But i mean it would have been a different movie like you said. Yeah the role of zelda. Rachel's terminally ill sister was actually played by a man director. Mary lambert wanted zelda in her scenes to frighten the audience but not believe that a thirteen year old girl was scary enough so she cast andrew who pasek in the role to make something to be off about. Zelda hooper stank. Yes andrew who think who knows went on to open the who stink foundation and he is known for such things as pet cemetery where he played zelda blue steel where he played cashier and something called human resources in two thousand fourteen where he plays sagely janitor. That's it all right his. Imdb picture is just a picture of a bed. The bed from pet cemetery not him just the bit. that's odd. that is odd. Stephen king is a big ramones fan and reference of their songs. In the novel in amish the ramones were mo- wrote and performed the theme song pet cemetery which is in the film's closing credits and sheena is a punk. Rocker is what the truck driver was. Listening to the only two songs in the movie and the original screenplay also featured the wind ago native american demon who was mentioned in the novel ultimately cut from the film. Its presence is implied. Only twice i in the scene where lewis walk into the woods at night. And here's something large. Knock down a tree. And second. When i takes louis up to the burial ground and there's some kind of allowed crash followed by a long almost feminine howell. Judd then looks at goes as only a loon but it's clear that he does not entirely believe that himself. It's a man that's never watched on golden pond if you think that's a loon. It's only loan your role looney also in the novel little. Elliot's psychic but mary. Lambert was not convinced that she was able to convey that in the film the shinhan shannon some shinhan going on i was thinking about that like it seems like a missed opportunity to not have an adult ellie and dr sleep. Yeah i don't wonder. Rachel had some shinhan to she can kind of hear What's his face pascal. But i don't know since. I never the book. I thought josh my my. That was ever alluded to at all. Well i mean she does. Have this feeling something's horribly wrong. Which is why in the book. She makes her way back for the ending just to get murdered. Go by a two year old with a rope. I got a questions. This is definitely one that works way. Better on the page than it could ever possibly could winfield. It's an intensely cerebral and emotional story of like family horror i. I've always kind of considered pet cemetery and expansion of the middle of the monkey's paw story. I can see that were. Yeah that guy In some ways blames himself his actions lead to the death of his son and then he does the unthinkable to bring his son back in. It doesn't quite work out that way. I remember that in the book gauge was so adorable that when he died it. Kinda fucked me up. The first time i read this book was one. I know that was even in my top five but it definitely affected me when i read it. And there are certainly things including the wind ago including the actual reality of gauge coming back and what he does the unfortunately just kinda look ridiculous when they're Filmed and i know. I'm going to disappoint. I saw on facebook that we've got some huge fans of this movie but i thought that the effects for gauge and the cat were both bad and i will admit that part of my negative. Take on this movies. Because i love the book so much. Well that begs. The question then was first viewing for anybody. Ever seen this. Before i think for me i'd never i've never read. The book. never seen the movie. So i could get assure you josh not having read. The book doesn't matter this. This is not good. Yeah and it sucks because their stuff that's like on the page is really compelling about. How like louis father He'd never really knew his and he was so close to judd crandall he almost saw him as a surrogate father when he was trying to figure out what being a father is like himself is at that point of his life. Where he's he's a dad. He's got two kids but he doesn't even really feel like an adult yet. I saw this. I was trying to figure out why when i was watching this. I kept thinking sale of owns. And i finally called my mom. And it's like no. We sell this movie together because you were there and turns out. We were actually hang. I was at a friend of hers house and this was on in the basement. And i was just hanging out in the basement and they had a xylophone. I was watching this movie and screwing around on her xylophone in the basement while watching this movie. So the big thing about this like phone. But i really did not like this movie. Kind of a weird. Yeah yeah it's association. Yeah yeah it's just a whole time. I'm watching the movie. Like i kept thinking of allophones but i knew my mom's do because see this at the theater for some reason. Why am i thinking twos now. So and so. He's played theater xylophone east. During the movie. Like the old-timey days xylophone rises up from the side. And they play this song and then before and we all is that asylum phone thing. That's the thing that happens now. What well. I've probably seen this. I was telling moore last night. I said this might might have been my fifth or sixth time. I've seen this really well. I mean that doesn't surprise me. This is the second after the xylophone. My first jeff josh. I seem before. Oh yeah. I guess. All at once and i mean. I think it's obvious from what i've said so far. I didn't like it so this is my second viewing but an analyst like i said i thought what's his name. The dad did the staring off into space very well. He did that a lot. I don't okay. What i'm going to say my thought on this movie. I don't know if it had to have been different in the book but it just seemed like the the story of zelda was just kind of tacked on just to be some additional weirdness. It didn't seem like it tied in very well with the story. Well yeah i mean. It's there's context for why rachel has this issue with even confronting death with her kids like she's fucked up about death because of what happened to her sister and she was left alone with her and the death. Her sister terrified her. I didn't get that part of it. I'm i'm not talking about the emotional aspect. I'm talking about the like why she constantly would hear her in the walls and things like that. It didn't it didn't seem like that was really tight and very well. And i don't like like josh joel said earlier in the book she had more psychic powers or whatever that that explains why she had this shannon. Because that's what the explains why she could hear her in the walls. It's not explicit. It's not as explicit as with danny in the shining but it's a reasonable theory. The first thing that i took away with every time they started doing the whole. She's in the walls thing. I it was kinda creepy but it didn't make sense to me with the story. Just felt like it was a plot. Be just tacked on. They didn't do it very good. Job of tying it in. I mean despite the shortcomings i i guess i just have a soft spot in this art because i if my heart for this film because i saw it when i was fairly young i mean i was probably fourteen or fifteen but it just one of those things that i actually went and saw the sequel in the theater when it came out and i love fred. Gwynne being a munsters fan. Since i was a kid. I liked watching him in this and i liked his performance at the time when i i thought it was a little bit more like. Oh what the hell. That's kinda creepy seeing it again last night and i watched the i should have told you guys was a documentary. That was on. That was made about this but They should more time with his. I'm kind of grateful you didn't. it's a classic you know. A lot of people really like you saw online. A lot of people have a lot of love for this film and like enemy to doesn't mean i'm going to get. Would i mean despite the shortcomings. I just find it to be kind of a fun little trip. There's parts people ossis joel. Well that's true. My favorite part was when judge tells joe patchy that he's gotta wear a suit in the courtroom. What's a you. When when gauge cuts is kelly's he'll tended whatever. Yeah and he's like hey debt ute That that you say you still hurts. Whenever i see that i mean. Yeah that's brutal. But i mean gauges make up his movement and the fact that he looks freaking when he's trying to look mean it's willy wonka. It was very off putting and not at all. I should say not at all scary but it was definitely more comical scary fair. Oh my god i. I literally laughed out loud when when that happened. He stabbed in the neck with the the whatever. It was working kid no fair. Let's just law isn't laughing. He hit his head on the wall. To everything was the whole thing was a comedic was not at all tencent scary. Uh speaking of hitting your head when dale wakes up after berry and the kid and he falls out of bed and his head like i don't know if it was real or not ricocheted off the side table that looked it looked real real. It looks like it was something. He did the whole. Aw in and that was probably the best acting that guy get. Yeah i mean. That's another big problem. Aside from fred gwynne. I was not impressed by any of the performances. I mean there's some there's some decent special effects. Like when rachel comes back after he buries her and she's got the big poss- i hole in our issac it and it's just stuff coming out of it. It's like while apparently according to some of the career that i because there's a lot of trivia on this one but blaze berdahl. When mary lambert was trying to get her to cry for the scenes. And she's like. I want you to think of something really sad really sad and she wouldn't she could. She's like nah not work and then finally literally members like pay you more money and bang. She was crying so they kind of tells you. They all acted like they were being paid to act and miss. Okay josh. that's what. I'm gonna go back to the book on this one missy dandridge but they didn't have any love you're supposed to act like you love it not like you love. The paycheck was missy dandridge a bigger character in the book because remember her in the book at all because it seems like she was weird woman who picked up the was doing their laundry for them and then she hung herself after she seem to be a whole lot of plot development or build or anything to her reason why she was there outside of just them having to go to a funeral. Do your laundry and bichat you. But from what i understand. The the the the cemetery influences people to do things that they wouldn't normally do. And i don't know how true that is with the books and again i haven't read it but but missy never went down to cemetery no but she was near the house next to the cemetery by the way. How much does having a resurrection field in your backyard. Add to the value of your house should should they list that in a well. I mean that before. They bought in the house inspections. I should be on. Should i be on the one sheet and rector should have caught that yeah and trump and jump back a little bit also out like it's not like they said. Hey i made a phone call to main and they sold us a house. We're going to go to tomorrow. None with these trucks barrel in through there. They never went there with a a realtor. They never went there to see the place before they showed up. I think it came as part of the deal with being the doctor at the university. That would be my guess. There's probably a university housing. Yes my best guess about missy is basically in the book judd's wife norma was a bigger part in her. Death was major event in the book. And i i'm guessing that missy was a week s standing for that plot. Beat make sense looking it up. It looks like missy dandridge like that character exists in the book but she's so minor that i didn't even remember her. She was not the housekeeper. She was like a random wife of one of the doctors. Working with lewis who becomes friends with rachel and appears like twice in the entire book. Did she complain about her stomach problems. I am not as far as i remember now. I got the poops not any better. Not any worse like all right missy. Thanks for telling just the poops and that and educate the child about getting the nuts clipped. That was that was her thing. This is the first first novel that stephen king wrote a screenplay for so i kinda wanna cut him a little bit of slack on here but kim being involved him being involved is not a guarantee of quality like even now like a very hit or miss yeah and he was pretty heavily involved with us being on set and then of course even with his his cameo which became a thing for him anyway. Quickly gonna agree with josh and talk about how his his version of the shining that he did was was just god awful. Oh that made for tv thing. Yeah yeah yeah but he wanted to do it his way so there you go so yeah. You're definitely right to. His involvement does not equal automatic success. No influence josh josh. Said i think is is probably a big reason for that. Is that the way that he writes in what he writes about is hard to translate plain and simple. Some some books are easier to do than others and his not those books. Well and they're not all of his books are like this. This one is just particularly difficult to film. And it's baffling that shows to do it twice. And i kind of feel like even given the difficulties in shooting the story at all in a lot of ways. Avi original film failed in executing it even the best they could fan. I feel like it was entertaining. And it's kinda like listening to a song that you don't love but you but when it's on you'll you'll not turn it off. It's kind of what i quite this movie with. Like if it's crazy by the finding on cannibals exactly if it's on or this is on. I'll watch it. I don't own it. I every once in a while. I kinda wanna revisit my god. Yeah i like that part. That was kinda cool. That was bad and It's just kind of like like but you enjoy you enjoy bad cinema more than most. I mean that's just be such be honest more than lots. Well but i think though that that are listenership has spoken already and i think that they would probably say the same thing after listening to this episode. That many people considered a band cinema. And i'm not calling it bad cinema. I am i'm calling. I'm definitely calling a bad cinema. I will see the only caveat. I will make is. Maybe i wouldn't be so hard on it if i hadn't been such a big fan of the book. I'm not saying that as a universal thing is pat. Didn't read the book and he thinks it sucks but yeah i. I didn't read the book. And you know it's just bad acting. There's just bad pacing. There's no lock on them. Credit gwen is the only good part of this movie. Acting wise. i agree. Yeah i mean i can agree with that that he is definitely the best part of it as far as the actress go. He's fucking. You basically agree that all the ingredients talk about the final movie good. I mean the accurate are there to move the story along in this. They don't nobody stands out he kind of feels a show and every sienese end. But that doesn't take away from the movie as a whole in my opinion not miss in this case now and i think in all incarnations judd is the best character. Oh yeah like book. Original remake judd is the best character in pet cemetery. He's the easily the most likeable of all of them. I mean maybe you could make a case if you read the book for gauge pre death. But so there you go. Have we buried this. I think we're at the point where we take a break and this is dead. We should not bury it and sour ground. We should just let it lie Yeah but guess what. It's coming back soon. We're gonna talk about a little bit. Twenty nineteen somebody said. Hey we should try again. We should win to go for it. Joke was saleh. i agree with him on that one. That's awful pat. I stand by it you would you stand by me. Stand by you her calling it break. We're back in a little bit and we'll we'll talk about pet senator. Two thousand nineteen All right we are back to talk about pet cemetery twenty nineteen in this one doctor louis creed and his wife. Rachel relocate from boston to rural maine with two young children. Couple soon discover a mysterious burial ground hidden deep in the woods near their new home. Yeah so a little bit. More meat on that description This is this. One is directed by kevin koelsch and dennis woodfire. So kevin cole known for outside of this story is absences postcards from the future that chuck palino's documentary things like that but dennis would meyer. I don't know any of those now is was i've i've heard a story is the other guy. He's pretty much running neck and neck on this one team from what i understand. So the screen story though screen story and screenplay there's two of these. I don't know what the differences i don't either. That's kinda strange. I can tell you though joel to tell the while they began developing this adaptation of pet cemetery back in two thousand ten matt greenberg wrote it and when they finally got around to making it in two thousand seventeen or start working on it. They gave him a story credit because he had written the script that they used aspects of but they basically agree. Wrote it. Okay so this thing's been sitting in development hell for almost a decade so matt greenberg. You may know him for being the writer on such things as the movie. Fourteen o eight. Which i believe is another stephen king. Hasn't it yes sir. John cusack yup and raina fire which is such an underrated movie. I love that and the invisible man. The tv series interesting from two thousand weird time. Yeah before this. He also did seventh son. He was a writer on that abomination movie so but jeff bueller at the macaulay culkin. No no is julianne. Moore kit harrington. It's one of those. That should have been a lot better on paper than it was on the screen. Also jeff bueller midnight meat train he wrote the screenplay for that also wrote the screenplay for the twenty nineteen jacob's ladder train his good jacobs. We've already talked about. Yeah he also the re replay the prodigy. Which we think about also sufficed outta outta got the who plays georgie in it. Okay yeah. so yes. Pet cemetery cass. We've got jason clarke as louis. The father amy zimrights diamonds It's amy sandwich any sandwich. Amy sandwiches john lithgow as old actor carrying the movie. Judd never heard of him. You've never heard of them. I'm gonna actually have to disagree with you there. I think all of these actors were good. I mean look. I was the best but i mean he. He's the most experienced actor and he's got the best character. I'll give it to you. I think i just have a love for john lithgow. I mean he was the best. But yeah i mean. He's the most experienced actor. Judd is awesome. Yeah and say yeah. I'd says you're getafe. Lawrence is ellie hugo and lucas lavoix as gauge a abaza. Oba's obser- ob obser- med as victor pasco and elissa. Brooke lavigne zelda. So i'm going to give away a little bit of my opinion on this. This is a movie made by someone who really knows how to cast the hell out of a movie but not how to make a movie I was super happy with all the casting. And i wish they were in a better film. I mean that's That's something that we've seen. You have somebody who knows how to put. Who's good on the idea of assembly yet. But just can't get it across the finish line. I i was like as far as a could tell for each of the characters. Maybe they didn't hit exactly my mental image of them but they were all like super acceptable and yeah. Unfortunately there were some decisions made. Yeah we'll get them. Unlike pet cemetery nineteen eighty nine. Judd actually provides a hint at what's being done. When he explained the lewis what he's learned about the burial ground judd's home is full of books about native american lore part of a lifetime of research about the woods as louis flips or one book. He sees saying warning markings that he spotted on the trees and then an illustration of win to a towering figure with antlers of a deer. So thanks judd. The film also does not specify the illness that befell zelda memory. We never say what what she has. Its rachel's marriage never say what she has admire but in the one was spinal meningitis. Which if you're familiar with meningitis. Vinyl meningitis will kill you in about twenty four hours if you're not if it's not treated and i thought that was the same in the book but there were some reason why she hung on. I could be wrong though. Kind of goes back to the him hating her her parents also because who the hell leaves an eight year old alone in the house with someone who's sick. Yeah yeah bad. Parents to moving on in the scene where lewis walks down to the basement and the cat hisses at him and then runs upstairs. Cat was actually trained to hiss and growl win It was shown a specific toy before shooting the scene. The train replaced the cat at the bottom of the stairs. Another trainer was just off camera in front of the cat and kept repeating. Stay in wait to the cat and gave treats as needed. The cat remained in Sit staying and as he looked walked on the street down the stairs and once the actor hit is marked they trainer showed the cat toy and on cue. The cat histon ran upstairs. That's probably why the cat looked so much less about in this. Well i think in this. There's a lot of cat trivia and this. I'm like i'm not joking. I was digging 'cause like every other. I mean i'm not joking. Seventy percent of the tribune here was a paragraph about the cats and they had five different cats. They used with us. Ed seven in the original. Yeah oh you. I completely forgot about digital when they when the cat has in the tree. And the dead like reels back to punch the cat in the face yeah. I'm just thought that was hilarious. Because like i've always wanted to punch a cat in the face. That is the best in pet cemetery. The driver of the gasoline truck. That struck gauges listening to sheena. Is a punk rocker by the ramones in this. The driver of the truck is distracted by call on his cell phone and the caller's name on the phone. is she now looking. Thought was kinda cool very trivial. Yeah it's less cheeky. Than a lot of the other stuff they do. Presuming you saw the original. And they did that quite a bit. In my opinion Another detail absent from the new film and interest of keeping its plot. Streamlined was the bad blood that we mentioned about rachel's parents and lewis is a small remnant of it where he can see the father in law. Give lewis a dirty look the funeral but that's a tip of the hat to the subject matter. Yeah i know why they chose to do like. They went on record talking about why they chose to kill elliott instead of gauge. Mainly because it looks fucking stupid to have a two year old wandering around with a knife. it didn't look good in the original. It it only works on the page. That i thought was one of the few intelligent choices they made. Besides casting these actors and they apparently got a lotta kickback. In flack for to yeah. They did they were over cute. Assuming you saw the original with the close up on gauge running towards the road and then up surprise. That's not what we're doing. They did the same thing with judd on the stairs. It's like you think it's going to happen now. Up fake jump scare. I thought it worked well when it came to. You know saving gauge and killing ellie. I thought it worked well now and it actually did kind of take me by surprise. I thought it was a good choice. And you know like a seven or eight year. Old girl can definitely do a lot more than two year. Old boy can honor percent. Yeah and so. I i i get the choice for sure. That's one of the things that don't have an issue with i. It's it's just unfortunate that the pacing was so messed up that i found myself incredibly bored. This is like one hundred minutes that felt like three hundred lauren. I watched this probably two months ago. Maybe and we were both excited. We're like oh cool. It's got a good cast. You know it looks pretty. Good like the original and spoiler alert. we When we decided to do the show. I turned. And i'm like we're not watching that again. Wow that's something man. I once was enough. I mean i went back and watch some youtube reviews of the movie. Kind get some of the plot points. Second refreshing my memory Yeah i just i. At the end of the movie. I was like what the fuck just happened. I what no well. Apparently if you bury the eight year old girl in into the barrel ground she comes back as a fourteen year old vic natty dreads. It's funny because that's how they were. When that's how old she was when i moved there. Katie was fourteen. Yeah you can get that. That snarky nece That look with the forehead forward in that team. Just barely looking at the corner there. I can you know one thing this movie did have going for. It was the production design like the cinematography was very well done. I liked the the the mass the kids were wearing. You know it looked very pretty. But it's like the substance just wasn't wasn't there like it felt like i don't know that they were trying too hard or they weren't trying hard enough. I'm not sure which. And i felt that way about the procession of the kids with the masks like immediately off the kick they were trying too hard like this is something that like. It's so bizarre that it's completely out of place. Yeah and if. I've just moved into a new town. That's i on all this land and i look back and see that wandering through my backyard. That should get in an end to it right away. You know. I'm not there's not gonna i don't even know i don't even know what i would do. If that's what you see that marching around beginning you go to the cops or something and be like look. I just moved into town at these little psycho kids and masks wheel under dead dog through my backyard. You hire a bulldozer to come through and just level all that yeah and they and dig up all those bodies and everything and tear up all that stuff and build a wall sometimes offense as better even that man i mean. I can't imagine any mother that would look at look out back and just be like. Oh they're having a procession. Patrick solution is interesting. But when that happens i mean you. Basically ended up with poltergeist. Shaving over graveyards and just building should there. That does not fix the problem. But it's animal goes. I mean what are they gonna do. You're going to get some ghost gerbils or something. Get poultry gusts going over to visit. That was mostly for jolt. Because i'm sure he knows that movie. I know that movie. And i don't want him to get excited about thinking we might do that. I've seen that movie. So many times i go to the exercise. We so joshua this whole closer to the book. I mean it did. That's this movie was super frustrating for me because it's like i thought victor in particular like the way they handled him the casting of the kid the facts when he came in all fucked up from being hit by the car. It was all really cool. The problem is is like the they made good choices in an overall bad movie. I think i'm the only one out of this group. That kinda liked this movie. I wouldn't say that. I am you know that it was good or anything but i mean i kind of i think the biggest problem with this movie like as you said earlier the pacing there were moments when it was just very very boring. Yeah but overall. I thought it was pretty good. I rarely will let the clock run out on the movie in like a walk away to make dinner. It's like i. I know i'm not gonna fucking miss anything and i didn't did anybody. Like judd was less likable. I'm not saying that. I think john lithgow hell of an actor but i felt like in the first version. The relationship between judd and lewis was a bit more believable. And here it felt like john was kinda planet like he was kind of a dick. Sometimes he wasn't as friendly in kind of new england easy. Yeah he was a little bit more abrasive to his defense for lack of defense. I guess if you drug me. I'm going to be a little bit of a dicta- to so and he's supposed to be tricky but of cut out a little bit of the development because his wife norma isn't in this movie either and there are bits about how the families come closer together when judd helps him. When there's a health scare with norma and then even after l. scare she dies and like beers out on the porch with judd while judge chain smoking in. They're both drinking cold beers. There are multiple scenes like that of them drinking together in the book. And when you cut that you cut the relationship which his wife wasn't it briefly when Literally lifted the mask right. Yeah already in the story run both versions of the movie she dies. Her death is a plot point in the book. So out of a throwaway moment as far as that goes just as a way to kind of taunt him but he doesn't really have much gravitas because people are like wait. What did we see here before that. I miss something. And the fact that the effects meter looked like rhea perlman. I did like the leaning more on the way to go. That's one thing. I did like this because it made more sense when they come back. And that's the thing is i think a lot of ways. The improvements actually made me more upset because the original was just like a not very well made horror movie that like had. Some bad effects had a bunch of bad actors. This one was more frustrating for me because they got so close to being good. I think they made it. I think it will. I think it did end up on the side of good again. Not great but i. I don't think it's failures are so bad that it makes it a bad movie. And i'm saying that with full knowledge of there were i stop this movie like three times while watching it because i wasn't into it enough to keep watching it for the full run. I'm not saying i'm not giving it a glowing review. I'm just saying i didn't think it bad. So you're saying maybe a mini series. It would've been better watching in three installments. Well that's what i did now. I i don't know if we're at this point where we can talk about this yet. But it's something that i had come across in my post research that the original ending or the ending of the film which you know fuck spoilers. Everybody but gauge has come back. Which i don't know what it is in the book but there was an alternate ending where rachel and ellie are both back but lewis doesn't ever die and get buried and so lewis's air with gauge and his two zombie partner and and child and the they do like a shot with him in the window and they kind of pull out from the window and it looks like a frame like a like a family portrait. I kinda thought that's the direction that we're going gonna go was kind of like a guy was in the movie with simon pegg zombie movie under the yes shaun of the dead. I thought they were gonna go for like shaun of the dead type ending where he ends up living with zombies which is what the alternate ending was and what i was wondering was number one. I hate to keep coming back to josh. Because i don't know how much you remember his book. But i don't know what the book did but i kind of feel like that might have been a more satisfying ending than potentially having the four of them or the three of them engage being. All zombies serve. Okay whatever. I do remember the ending of the book. The ending of the book. Basically like and louis getaway he. He's put down the cat and he's put down gauge. But when rachel dies a he has a mental break. He's just like i. I let gauge sitting the ground too long. That was the problem. I can still. I can make it right. I can bury rachel. So he buries racial in the cemetery thinking that since he got to her immediately. It's all going to be fine. And like the last seen he's moved away and he's sitting by the fire on a completely different area and there's a hand on his shoulder and he hears his wife's voice creaking. Just saying darling and that's how the book ends select the official ending of the book. It's assumed that lewis is killed by rachel and l. As the only survivor. I did not like the way they chose to go with this one. I just the thought of the three of them possibly the four them all being like that. Just obviously what what is insinuated. There's they're all going to gang up and kill gauge and barium and be zombie family. Well and that's what you see in the very beginning because that's where it starts out as you see the blood on the door and everything going car door so it goes full. Circle from the opening scene. Is that going to be viable. Know that's not the point of looking forward. You know what you trader. Joe's looking like that. But i mean well you know actually now i think about it with all the masks and everything you might get away with it. I mean at least in the in the first movie. I'm a hippie. Show you what happens when you bring back an adult and the town finds out you know they form a lynch mob that instead of just killing the guy. They burned the whole fucking house down which seems a little excessive but having is out. What's going to happen here. I mean they didn't even they just briefly mentioned that story in this. They didn't do a flashback. Or anything it will. I mean this story doesn't have a happy ending right. Yeah the beyond this ending. I think the answer to that question is who cares her. Judge judge dad. Let's just move along. And i get in the book. That lewis helps judd save his wife at least briefly but even so he knows what happens when you bring something back from our buried in the salad ground. So why would he help him to do it. In the first place. I mean i guess will he. His explanation for it was. Is that the little girl got to him so much. He just couldn't have her. She just couldn't expect her to be in such pain with caffeine dead so and he used that to rationalize to convince himself that this time it would be okay. Which early is a week. Excuse but the thing is is that part of the effect of the cemetery because that happens to judd and it happens to louis twice more were. He's like he's already seen what happens to the cat but he chooses to bury his son and his wife in the same ground is just one of those things. The cemetery talks you into doing stupid shit to bury more things in that We were joking about what if Jed buried his empty pack of cigarettes in their with their comeback is a full pack of zombies cigarettes. Nokes at the pet cemetery but anyway you talk about weird shit dude well. That's what we're doing we these. Well how did you guys feel about. The interpretation of zelda in this film is pretty fucked up her fallen through the dumb waiter and just the way that she was portrayed. Was i know a lot of people talk about how in the original film that that scene with zelda mess him up like they were like freaked out by our. I thought this that was one thing. They did in a way that it was a lot more unsettling and they got me with the jump scare when she was looking up the dumb waiter. I think that's actually a criticism. I have is that like the few scary moments in this film. Were mostly jump scares which i find to be like the lowest form of scare. Yeah got it easy to do. Yeah they're cheap. They're cop outs. I'm trying to see was a rating of this bad. Not that i was are okay. I thought it was already. But i wasn't sure is it has five point. Seven out of ten on am and the original has six point six. Those both actually seem about right to me like a neither of these deserve like threes. But i wouldn't go so far as to call. Either of the mates agree with it and cemetery to got four point nine sidebar. Each tv show pet cemetery. Yeah and by the way. I want to say that the actress played elliott a good job. As as ambi- she was creepy in the performances. Were fine it was all script and filmmaking problems with this yeah it's like they had all the right moving parts but they didn't know how to put them together when when rachel calls up and she's standing there and she looks taylor at the. I mean thought she did a good job as a creepy little on kid agreed. Yeah yeah right the right ingredients but somebody didn't read the directions on how to make the movie. And i don't think that's. This is the first time that i felt this way that it's more frustrating to me to get this close on. Fail can almost prefer that it was just shit. I agree so yeah. Maybe it's because i can imagine another reality. Where like all of these actors were cast in the same roles in the movie was actually good. Yeah you being the only one. That's read the book you have. I think you have an advantage and you have to be angry yet. And i try to check that at the door. I don't always succeed like that was a bigger problem before we started doing this. Podcast and since we started doing this podcast. I've tried to like okay. This is a property. I care about and i know i'm letting gonna let that affect me emotionally. I'm gonna try to set that aside. But i don't think that's realistic when it comes to something like this could have been the perfect interpretation of this just wasn't good. Well in the current status of stephen king adaptations. i'd say the majority of them have been really well done and very well received laleia. Yeah because you look at the eighties and there's a lot of lava hits and misses and lately. It's just been one after the other has been like. Wow that was really good and then this came along. And i'm like okay. Great another one cool and then it's like you thought jump scare. We got ya. If you're if you're going to try to lampoon the jump scare you can't then turn around and utilize it. Oh i can't patrick and i will no no you cannot. I just said you can't. He's gotcha there man. What are you gonna do. You can't other people can just joking. He's the only one. I'm i'm worried about the murder. You and you in the cemetery. Jerry that checks out. That's probably how i would get. Murdered is brought back. That comes is are you kidding me. Zombie life now. Zombie dealer still expected to go to work. As i appreciate that he wouldn't have for your mascow. Ed good point. So where do we need to wear a mask. I don't breathe ugly. Oh i mean zombie that would be. Wow it's a nice try there sir. So i the wall. It's obvious. I think it is tradition. We should probably do the thumbs up thumbs down. Indeed yeah for me. It's super obvious from the beginning. Give thumbs down on both joel. Well i can probably be an obvious. I- thumbs up on the original and down on the remake hat. We are all over the board. Because i am thumbs down on the original thumbs up on the remake. Wow mike i was going to be thumbs down on the original but then pass cow. Short shorts made me go to thumbs up. Meet her. i liked it. I liked that bed pale white. Siamese of bread green quist No thumbs down on both. I like when i was watching. I actually wanted to renting one of them because they couldn't find anywhere and the problem was i paused it to go do something else real quick but when you pause it it would tell you how much time you had left. And then i just get depressed. Pause you have seventy eight minutes left off sometimes. Dead is better. That's how i was last week on suspicion. Because i it at one point thinking i was close to the end and fifty minutes left in the remake. Four hours long. They're doing what. I thought was like the finale dance thing and i'm like okay. Well it's getting close to being done fifty minutes. I've been laid to jol. What are we doing next week next week. We're taking a trip to hp lovecraft territory. We're talking about die. Monster die versus nicholas. Cage is the colour out of space. I'm really curious about where this is going to go to. Because i was talking with sarah about this when we do october do it seems like we usually once a year gets one movie or two movies that were all like super happy. We saw and a bunch of stuff that like. Maybe joel likes it. Nobody else does or whatever. But it's like we we do eight movies and it seems like one or two really good and the others are kinda mixed too bad young kennel wondering where this last week is going to land so if you have any opinions about any of the horror movies we talk about during october or you have specific opinions. Maybe about a pet cemetery. Considering i know we kinda trash the first one three four of us didn't some of you love it. A let us know your thoughts. Give us a call at seven eight. Now wrap that seven eight six nine seven yep and again if you wanna finder stuff on Other places like google and apple podcasts. Stitcher talk shoe padro chef fem. We are all the place iheartradio. And i've spotify. That's the word. I was trying to go and i also want to toss out a thank you to two of our loyal listeners. I we have a our website a link to our kofi site which gives us a little bit of extra cash for running the servers. Keep us up and running and dan and something fruity both gave us a little bit to keep things going and dan salutes us with traditional butts to the front and man. How old is butts to the front. Now we've been doing this seven years. It's gotta be like four years old and was the back to the future show. No one's wasn't that was from the tweet. Yeah it's to be at least six and a half years. It's been a while that's for sure. Yeah and then something fruity says. You guys have given me years of entertainment. Useless cricket trivia and smiles. Thank you for that. Ah yeah really appreciate it. We will be next week. I'll be back with some Tonic mysteries and See where we go from there with the colorado space all right ready for this show number fifty soda. 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"Hello and welcome to the preview episode of Trick Untold Star Trek inspired podcasts. That goes beyond storms. I'm your host Matthew Kaplowitz and I wanted to tell you a little bit about myself. My Phantom and what this new show is all about I remember. I watching Star Trek next generation back when it was originally on. I wasn't alive when the original show aired in the sixties but almost three when next-gen debuted and back then it was on channel. Wpa X eleven here New York City and it's also later learned about the original series. Thanks to their marathons they would run during holidays. I saw when I was growing up. I had the original figures from next-gen which I must have gotten my birthday when they first came out because I vividly remember having them in time for Christmas one year in fact they regarding my milk and cookies for Santa with their phasers drawn to make sure that nobody dared to eat them a few years and a few holidays later. I got the first wave of the playmates next figures once they got the license as I got older. My interest in trek faded and by the time Deep Space Nine. Voyager first aired. I wasn't really paying attention at all. I would peak if you voyager and I remember watching the deep space in finale but having no idea what was happening because frankly I hadn't watched it in years and had no idea what the major storyline was that point. I saw some of the next Louis. Vhs But it just really wasn't my thing anymore. That of course would change so fast forward to today. I'm editor in chief of Noor News today DOT com which is a website and youtube channel. That's been around since twenty. Eleven before I was doing that I was the fighting heard which was a site and channel. I started two years earlier. That covered mixed martial arts. You have see kickboxing that kind of thing. All the other combat sports and eventually retired from that in two thousand sixteen after getting some other parts of the sport and Changing my folk essentially do more production and that kind of stuff but news today kept on and has continued to grow and change and evolve and become one of the passion projects that a lot of energy has gone into on that channel. We cover comics toys movies video games all sorts of other things that. I like devoting my energy to that hasn't been learning more about franchises. I've obsessed about already. Such a ghostbusters and things. That was interesting too as much like firefly but it also meant reconnecting shows and movies that used to be into but fell out of love with now. I said Star Trek wasn't my thing for a while it's not entirely true. I can remember watching reruns of Atlanta night again on channel eleven or other channels that had it and really liking it but not to the point that this become today really what changed me and got me back into star. Trek completely was coming into contact with the toys again. I mentioned them earlier in the vivid memories ahead of them as a kid and as part of news today and frankly just because I like going to them I attend a lot of comic conventions I would always see loads of the Old Star. Trek figures in boxes typically for dirt cheap vendors. Just can't get rid of these things New York comic con. Twenty twelve is where it all began because on that final day of that fateful show I was rummaging through one of those vendors bins of cheap toys and I kept finding all these great star Trek figures and a lot of them are characters. I remember a Lotta them characters and everyone saw before but most of them were toys. I didn't have. I ended up coming home that day spending about thirty bucks but picking up about a dozen figures package. I'm talking about Tasha. Yar Picard from all good things Barclay Q. A bunch of others. I can't remember right now but it was a lot my other nerd. Them IS COLLECTING ACTION. Figures from all sorts of franchises and things that I like but that day in particular reopened door that have been close shut for years as a kid. My trek love really kind of faded away. Because I got into other things like X. Men power rangers pro wrestling other obsessions. So I missed out on most of those playmates figures for years and here was now over twenty years later scooping up all the figures and ever got and man was I impressed by them so naturally led me to wanting to watch the shows again to see what I missed out on and of course from there it was only a matter of time before it became a reborn trekkie jumping way ahead to today. We're back under news today. We do a weekly toy of you. Series of Star Trek figures called TREK BACK. Tuesday and my obsession to collect. Figures has gone into all of the figures throughout the years. In fact more recently I started getting into the prototypes. But that's going to be a story for another day so now I'm not just an obsessed star trek fan though still have other things. I'm passionate about and one of those things is classic movies when I'm not working on news today other projects. I'm a filmmaker and work in post production. I've got a few documentaries Amazon. Prime had a few TV distribution deals. And they've been streaming in all sorts of other places here and there. These movies have gotten some pretty good is on them. And some decent claim I attribute a lot of my education. I know about making movies due to reading comics and knowing history my TV is always said on a few select channels and that's either heroes and icons or BBC. America for Star Trek Cartoon Network. Because I gotTa have my Gumbel but most the time it's actually on Turner Classic Movies. There's so much new stuff out there in theaters and on demand and many of it quite frankly just mediocre eye candy and with time being the most valuable thing that we can actually get back I like to spend a lot of time learning about the roots and inspirations at today's directors and actors reference and poll from their work. So it's real masterclass that you get to watch with your basic cable TV subscription plan truth be told I never fancied myself as a podcast or either even though I had one while I was the fighting which lasted about six months and I've been a guest on plenty them but again as the fight nerd. I did pick up a lot of valuable skills. I'm bringing over today. And one of those skills is the ability to interview people. Something I really hadn't done up until I was the finer D- those skills and put to good use in filmmaking of course as well because I spent a lot of time interviewing people and trying to connect them to get answers out of them and Just ultimately to get some information that. I WANNA poll to use in my work now of course making. A documentary is totally different from doing a podcast because in the documentary. I'm not the one on camera talking but here in this podcast I gotTa ramble on for a while and you've got to listen. So what inspired me to actually pursue a podcast? Well you're not going to believe this one but actually Gilbert godfried no not directly. He didn't come to me to dream. And tell me you gotta make podcast. I've never gonNA do that voice again but I found out that he had podcast few years back. Thanks Leonard Mountains podcast and soon I was hooked on. Gilbert's amazing colossal podcast. If you're not familiar with that show where they do each week they get these great guests that are often characters from across cinematic history stage screen theater and quite frankly a lot of times. I have no idea who the heck they are but as soon as they start discussing their work. I recognize immediately. They have all these great stories. That don't get heard quite often because they're not the big eight listeners. And that's kind of made me start to think about star Trek. Every episode of Star Trek is filled with character actors some established and well into their careers doing major roles others just starting out and would go on to do bigger things. But for their appearance on Star Trek. They'd be lucky to have one line. Aside from the actors there's the director stunt performers and all of the behind the scenes crew that make star Trek. What it is. So that's where the idea came to make trick untold to terrible pun. Go beyond the stars and we talk about Star Trek Trick. 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Episode 35: Isolation Ocho

Bill and Frank Eat Pop Culture

1:29:18 hr | 11 months ago

Episode 35: Isolation Ocho

"Me Everybody welcome to build Frankie pop culture. I am frank and with me again is bill and Johnny fever gets up guys. How you doing you know as well as can be expected. Sometimes these days kind of get to you a little bit more than others. I'm tired of my apartment. I'm tired of staring at nothing but my dog. I WANNA go to a bar. I want to watch a sporting event. But you know talking to you. Guys is is a nice Medicine for that. You know we'll we'll keep on keeping on. Do we gotta do role in that stimulus. Check cash money so if you own good today I got mine. Fuck Man. Trump doesn't like me say that's what happens. It's because I follow Ethan. Vince guy ever on twitter. I notice when I mean Tony's probably going to hear this because he listens to our podcast but I noticed when Tony called him a lunatic. Couple OF WEEKS AGO. You were quite quiet. Yeah I was in and my When I was in session with Dr Tony Ortega I I talked about and he was like did you back that fucking guy I was like yes than and then he got a little weird In like twenty minutes later I was like. Are You mad at me about EVs? And he was like A. I'll go fuck it was like. Oh okay then you didn't you didn't you commission. Evs Yeah I commissioned that full full color Batman from him which is fucking stellar. I mean listen guy might be a third ball or a little crazy or you know. Have some pretty you know unpopular opinions? But he's a fucking hell of an artist agree and I get it. He's polarizing guy. I mean whatever But yeah so have you johnny. Hey how you doing? I'm doing good man I'm You know like I said I got some stimulus money. I'm trying to figure out how to will probably see not spend it And Still going to work still love in the fact that we're getting on this podcast once in a while with that unless guys anything else you. WanNa Chit Chat about before we get going here. I'M GONNA kick it off anybody. Go man give it a go. Let's start the show so hi and welcome to halfway history. I'm Jonathan I'm Kylie and this is a podcast where we talk about the upcoming week but a longtime ago and sometimes not so long ago so if you enjoy history and comedy than do we have the show for you. We cover all sorts of topics from pop culture to ancient history with fiction thrown in just for fun like episode fourteen the Nefarious Najah where we play a choose your own adventure game or episode thirty three water earth fire molasses where I covered the great molasses flood of Nineteen Nineteen in Boston. Or if you're into conspiracy theories check out episode eleven eldredge witches where I hunt down teleporting or if you're feeling nostalgic checkout episode fifteen you meddling. Nord's where I take a spin in the mystery machine. Was Scooby Doo the gang? Are you into science? Because I dive into the immortal genes of Henrietta lacks in episode eighteen. Hello big dynamite and for anyone who loves musicals as much as I check out episode twenty two defying ancestry where? I spend one short day talking about my favorite musical wicked halfway. History is available on Apple podcasts. Spotify Google podcast iheartradio. Or your favorite podcast. Here you can find us on facebook and twitter at half wit history or visit our website at half wit dash history dot com and has always. I've been your half wit and I'm your historian and we hope you'll give us a listen. They um all right guys. It was It was a rough day at the office today at. Wwe Oh my God Lottery releases in it comes on the back of. There's been a lot of bad press for Vince. Mcmahon in in the last week and you know this Like you know the talk about the SNUKA murders like being drudge. Back up to the top again because of the dark side of the ring on vitamin B. McMahon's being accused of covering up the murder the xfl Linda McMahon donating. All this money to the What was it. She donated like eighteen million dollars to Florida or something. And then W W it's called the central business. Then Vince McMahon lays off all these people who now don't have a way to feed their families to save a measly four million dollars when you know that's what he paid Goldberg to show up in In Saudi Arabia. I mean it's like it's I don't know I mean listen. I'm not saying that this is going to bury Vince. Mcmahon but because the guys the guys got yeah I mean. The guy's untouchable but he's been through worse than this but man in this day and age of of constant feedback and chatter. Not a good. Look what do you think? Well I mean the snook stuff obviously not a good look and you know the Benoi stuff is back on the news too because they are covering that dark side of the ring as well So that's one thing yes the releases and the XFL Kinda you know. I mean it sucks for wwe. But I don't know that it's really. Vince is fault like it's a global pandemic bad. As far as I know he didn't cause although I'm willing to listen to anything but the XFL couldn't run without crowds and wwe. They'RE GONNA keep producing their show as long as they can without crowds but without without without paying customers a roster cut was coming. And you know it's not just the roster either like I used to work in production. Wwe I've been in touch with a bunch of my former colleagues today and a ton of them got furloughed so it's not just the active wrestler roster that is getting you know gutted. Wef's it's everything. And I think a lot of companies are kind of in the same situation. I think you're gonNA see more and more with a lot of different places I think a lot of these wrestlers. If you know they'll try to do the independent thing as much as they can. I wear right now but I think a lot of these guys like once. This settles down. Whenever that is an crowds can come back. I think you'll see a lot of these guys. Come back I think the you know. They can't really furlough wrestlers. But I think that's probably what a lot of this is going to be And for people listening aren't aware yet. I have a list of names and there. Some of them are relatively big names. I was going to. I was going to go down the list. Okay that's fine but I I don't necessarily think the releases are reflect badly on Vince. I just think it's sort of. That's sort of a product of the of the time. There's a few that there's a few that surprised me. Some of my thinker. Some of them I think are long overdue. Some of them. I think the person released was probably happy. Well I think in an ideal in regular world without a virus. I think a bunch of these people would be happy. I think in this world where I don't think. Aws Really GonNa hire anybody and there is no independent seen that they would have been happy to sort of sit there and collect a paycheck for as long as they could but yeah. Some of them are big name. Some of them are Kinda surprising. Some of them are guys that I think you know weren't pushed well enough and didn't live up to the potential. They have is interesting but I don't know what do you think John? I The elephant in the room here is they had to go live because of their contract with with Usa and with Fox right so the apparently. There's a stipulation there there's only other X. amount of tape shows. They're allowed to do every year and they didn't do any live programming that gave Fox and USA an owl on their contracts and they just spend a lot of money on these contracts. I don't think the ratings have been what they hoped Fox in particular and they could have been in real trouble of those contracts being negated I don't know if the you know the Kobe situation is kind of an extenuating circumstance. Or not but you have to think that universal and Fox also looking to cut where they can and they could cut that W W contract and would have cut it and now this give gets vince back to live programming by hooker by Crook. I'm not sure it's I don't think it's one of those you know. There's no such thing is bad publicity kind of things but it is bad publicity but he still got the incoming in which is a good thing for him. Yes so listen I mean this is back in the eighties or the seventies and this was the old territory days there wouldn't be any layoffs. Wouldn't be any releases this wouldn't be anybody getting booked right right so guys wouldn't be eaten this a publicly traded company. This is w this isn't new Japan. This isn't ring of honor. This isn't this is a publicly traded company that has earnings shareholders in a in a board to to worry about in the you know this is a business. Okay this isn't this isn't just a wrestling company anymore. This is a this is a global media global conglomerate that is publicly traded in everything is every penny spent is is scrutinized. So I mean it's been a in my opinion. It's been a bad week for Vince. Mcmahon just because of all the things that have that are that are hitting at the same time right now but this. I mean this is unavoidable. I mean my company's furloughing everybody's right now if a business isn't isn't pulling lever and it sucks but it's it's a part of life for businesses and pull that lever they're not surviving so anyway Anybody else anything else on that or you want me to hit the list here. The list right so now If I'm going to go down this list if any of these are wrong or if I miss him just let me know so number one. Wwe Hall of Famer Kurt Angle. It's a big name and like it's a headline grabber. Honestly what was minimal? Minimal impact minimal infant. Here's one that makes me sad but I. This is one of the guys. I don't think is sad rousseff. Yeah that's one of the ones that I think should have been a world champion at this point by this point if you were booked in pushed. I don't understand when he was massively over as a heel they fucked it up and then when he got amazingly got massively over his baby face they fucked that up too. So I feel bad for rousseff. That's that one makes me sad because he there's a lot of potential there he he got himself over with whatever the hand them which suckers. I'm assume that this furlough means that any kind of non compete is null and void right so basically now if they had something in their. They're independent contractors right but if they had something in that contract that said they couldn't compete. Uw New Japan or something. I have to imagine that for all the guys are GONNA list. That is now completely null and void. I don't know I mean that's I don't know we'll have to wait for some news on that usually with wwe unless the wrestler like engineers. It asks for his release and they come to terms and HE GETS THEM TO WAVE. Wave the non compete. It's almost always a thirty or sixty day. Non Compete Like in every circumstance. Well thirty sixty is not bad considering thirty days minimum. They're not gonNA be able to work anyway. But maybe it's not that I say that maybe at sixty nine hundred I can't remember but it's when I was there didn't matter how big or how little the name was that. The person usually got some sort of non compete. But I don't know this is a sort of a different circumstance. You be interesting to know. Okay next Drake Maverick. Rockstar spud himself. Yeah I mean he's he's really upset. He had he posted like a video. Oh my God it was. I started crying. That guy like you know he's again. I don't want to shit on the guy but it's like the impact is minimal. But I feel like that guy put his heart and soul and everything that he did so in that way sad forum Curt Hawkins Hawkins Ryder when I when I heard rousing writers at the bottom of this list but when I heard W W was released today. The first two names that came to my mind were rider. Hawkins like they're expendable in every in every definition of the word that's what they are saying that the before we started recording that a lot of names I recognized from like back in the pipe. Bomb Era The these were mid card guys than that. I was some of them. I was actually surprised even still on the roster so and this is one of them and Novice Rider. You mentioned another one and And he slurs also another one that there wasn't even aware the two hundred three of them were frankly even still w hawkins is actually kind of valuable from what I remember. Even when I was there he was brought on like not to really get over for the TV product. But he's the guy that like when when people need to rehab from injuries and stuff they send him to work with people he's just like a really good panned so he had vowed he had like a place in a value. But when you when you gotta make cuts you gotTa make cuts the good brothers Carl Anderson and Luke gallows. They're the they're the two ones that surprised me the most molest out of everybody just because head back to Japan but Japan new Japan's not operating right now either so I mean yeah you're right now but right. Yeah I think I think eventually certainly I think their biggest most over in Japan. I'm just surprised because they're they're attached. Aj so I thought maybe they'd get kept on and they feel like they just resigned. So the you know the other people on West after those two. Not a ton of surprises for me. Yeah something's GonNa rip a bunch off here. Heath slater. The runs the runs like I said. They're treading water for ages. Yeah it's probably it's probably more amazing. He's lasted this long. So he's Slater Eric Young Rohan Sarah Logan E C three eight in English Leo Rush Primo an epoch. And then as you mentioned before Zack Ryder. No Way. Jose the canals family I mean do any of those. Make any impact. The I don't want to say I'm surprised by writer. I'm not surprised at all of if you'd told me. When he and Dan O'Brien Siham Punk Rock in the ring at the same time. When you know Palmquist world champion so as Bryan for the bell and writer was the US champ and there was like so. Celebratory that we be here now. It's it's kind of sad mullah brighter. Though neither had a window there was a window that moment with Pumpkin Bryant and then he was in that story line with Sina and Eve and Cain that got over big and that was the moment where they were going to really push him. That's what would have happened. They they never really pulled the trigger but he got over he was over at one point like massively over if you look at the arrest or where. He won the intercontinental title on the ladder match the crowd reaction alone. I'll tell you all you need to know he's always been over. He was actually Isabelle's first favorite wrestler. And he's he's wrestling buddy. Yeah he's he's the first guy. He was the first guy to use social media and Internet to get himself over like. He's a pioneer in that way. The you know the the Z. True Hollywood story that he did when he was on the roster for not being used got him over like to the point where w like we have to push him now like he's too popular so bill. You already mentioned it but this one did really shocked me was Mike. Yoda yeah head referee. Mike Yoda these. I'm Shane very close. Like this one really surprises me. And he's been the head referee. He's been the leader of the referees. Like it sounds silly but like he has been since the editor. I wonder if it's like a straight this guy's contractors inflated and probably is like since literally he's been the top raft since like earl hefner left. That was a long fucking time ago. Yes referee Mike. I was surprised by that man. Big Time Lance storm has to go back to the storm academy. Yeah I mean He. He was an employee for a month. Finley just Producers agents that what. What is their purpose right? Now you don't need ten producers if you're not performing in front of a live crowd and all that stuff and you have a are though they need Finley's booking 'cause it's pretty good. Yeah and he didn't Finley. Finley is famous for working with women working the women's division. And then this one. I didn't even know who was on was on the payroll. Hurricane helps yet. He he signed. He became a road agent or producer. Right around the same time as maybe a little bit he. He predated storm by a couple of months. I think so. That's the list. That's the list I have did. I Miss Anybody Bill or not that. I saw a bunch of Baxter. I know a lot of the writing staff was Lecco from Ron smackdown. You know they're probably just working with a skeleton crew for the most part I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be surprised of RAW. Was like almost completely written by Paul Hammett at this point. So let me ask you this. We just went through this list. Is there anybody not on this list? That surprises you. That's a good question I asked. I asked the hard questions I don't know I'd have to look. I'd have to actually look at a list of the roster because I don't have everybody committed to memory but not really like that's a lot of that's a lot of the fact that wasn't really being used like not to shit on those guys but like Bobby Lashley surprises me a little. Like what are they need him for like nothing? They seem to think they do. Though the winning Bookham Wyoming but he hasn't done anything he wrestles black at Wrestlemania. I guess but like since the rousseff storyline was fucking awful. I I guess I'm a little surprised that they didn't release Lashley. Lana like what? Why Keep Lana right now? I don't especially now that Russia's gone like other than the fact that he's a hard woman I don't I don't know what on this list do. You think can go somewhere else to make an impact now or or when covert is under control both shoot. I mean people have made the mistake of counting. Zack Ryder out. Before I am not going to do it I think you know it's not a secret that he's a very good friend. With cody Rhodes. He's friends with Jericho. He's friends with all the. Wwe guys that are in a W. so it wouldn't stunned. I don't know that he can make a real impact. I think it'd be cool if you went away for a while and came it came out in. Aws a completely different character like that would be kind of cool but other than him. I think rousseff could and I think I think gallows and Anderson in Japan could. I don't see them really going day. W but you know who knows Romo? Is She three easy? Three is such a great talent. I I could certainly see him showing up on dynamite for sure that guy. I don't underst- I. It's it is a absolute mystery. Why w never used him at all. Because I think he's really good. I can see Rowen following harper to A. W if they want to we want to. Do we want that though? No but I mean if they want to add to the dark order runs like a very well-liked guy so I mean but in terms of callous person make it like a real impact I feel it gets Roussev and maybe writer maybe Galveston Anderson. And that's it. I think there's a question to you know again on the business side which seems to be always ripe chime in how much of the cons looking to expand you know even moving forward as far as a w Ross. Are they happy with what they have do? They think this will make an impact. You know I think these guys are gonNA WANNA wrestle. The question is is there going to be a place for them to wrestle? Or maybe there's just too much. Maybe there's a glut of talent right now and Might be a long time before any of them really. Have an opportunity will there? There's like Cova gets controlled. They're like the independent scene before this all happened is was very vibrant like underneath w. e. n. a. w. and even underneath ring of honor and new Japan. There's plenty of little places like there's a lot of places to go right now to wrestle. If you're if if you have the ambition and the drive you can make you can make a living not only that if you have the emission driving you have even halfway of. Oh name like like somebody like Zack. Ryder if he really wasn't motivated to go try to be a world champion he could live on his what name recognition he has now he could live on that on on little independent scenes for ever. Like you don't need you know. He could be like you know he could be at Club reverb where we saw. You know whatever that was we saw Penelope Ford F. Grow Pal before it. Yeah I mean people EXAC rider like can hang on for a long time doing that. Now if he has driving ambition maybe he could rebrand itself and go to any W or even go to new Japan or something but but I think a lot of these guys that at one point were over ten have livings you know. They won't be wwe but they can. They can make a living. You know the before this all happened. This was as good a time to be a wrestler as ever has been the point. I was trying to get at was. Maybe this is outside of the realm of this conversation but do we think wrestling is going to be the same after this. Do we think that it's going to be that healthy I mean do we think it's on the verge of collapse like accomplished industries? Somewhere in the middle light can they revert back to what was going on before. Are we looking at the same thing when all the kind of regional circuits collapsed into wwe WCW back in the late nineties? I think I don't think it's like the Comic Book Industry. I think of course like the descent into trouble is going to be quicker. It's falling off a cliff and then slowly climbing back up a mountain but I think once you know if there's a vaccine Introduced at some point. Crowds will come back. Kraus's cut like people will be dying to come back to. Wwe I think W and annexed and ring of honor and then I think you start there and it'll it'll eventually filter out like there's so much talent in the world right now wrestling wise that once crowds can come back. I think you'LL I. I don't even want to say slowly but surely I think it'll be a steady increase and I don't think like unlike the Comic Book Industry. I don't think the business model really needs to get remade here. It just they just need to be able to have crowds frank. I'm also real quick. I'm also seeing. I just saw on one of the dirt sheets. I go to that. Billy Kidman Sean Device Scott Armstrong and Sarah stock also end. Mike Rotunda Bray. Wyatt's father also released so that's pretty bad dog. It's almost at that. He's Brian Armstrong. Scott Armstrong got released his brother. I don't even know Scott worked for the company as Aref and so that's like yeah another. It's another ref he's arrest slash producer. That's another another couple producers Kidman's kind of a big. He's been a producer forever by a big responsibility. Is he times all the matches in guerrilla for TV and without a live TV show? I mean that job is not existent I think. Bray Wyatt's response on. Twitter was the best which I didn't see what he say. Yuck we had some big news. Last about a week ago Disney finally started making some adjustments of their schedule response to current ongoing health crisis. Slot of things that we expected there was some crazy rumors out there. That black widow might go straight video-on-demand but kind of yeah. I never bought it either. I was little more if he on. Lan But So we we got the confirmation. Basically Disney Marvel studios have shifted every one of their movies back one slot in the phages and they also finally gave us a release date for the captain. Marvel Sequel So we now are looking at The WE'RE NOT GONNA get marvel movie until November Now we're GONNA get four marvel movies. Possibly Sony is in control of the Spiderman. Three the toy farm home sequel which is still its current. Release date but that might get adjusted. That wasn't controlled by Marvel Studios. So we're looking at potentially four marvel movies now in twenty twenty one if spider-man stays in its current slot So is a pretty dramatic change. The way the Disney released. It was interesting to if you've ever seen There's an episode of the West Wing where they talk about. Take out the trash day. Which is where they released news on Friday afternoon hoping that the media won't cover it or if they do that people because they don't watch the news on the weekend and this was definitely a take the track take out the trash announcement. So that was. I thought as more interesting as the shift of the movies itself. That dizzy clearly was trying to put this under the radar but obviously made big news. So did they. Did they shift that shift? The schedule for the Disney plus shows to know as of yet no the ban really anything about. They haven't really commented on that. As far as I know yeah I was GONNA say I want to bring it up because clear? I don't think this was just. Oh it's easier to share everything back one you know. My thinking is knowing the way that marbles handle these phases in how kind of meticulous they've been especially more recently in how they all have to leave for one to the other. You know that this is kind of like clockwork and you can't have one. Eight movies suddenly happened in front of another one of these movies and I. My understanding was supposedly. It's going to be the same with the TV shows so the TV show schedule might also be affected by this in the movies in particular. I think Wanda Vision has to change because from what I remember. Feigen saying Wanda Vision. Dovetails almost seamlessly into dodger. Strange in the multi madness so of strangers coming out later I guess as long as one division comes out before it still then. It's fine but maybe they might want to push Wanda Vision. A little later just so they come out closer to each other. I don't know a lot of love talk a little bit more about Doctor Strange And and that because obviously also had the news that the confirmation not news now for two months as a you know in talks and treated as as confirmed that Sam Ramey director of the first three Spiderman movies when they were still only under. Sony's umbrella is GONNA be directing doctor strange in the multiples of Madison. There's been a lot of rumors flying around about that movie as well And that was a movie to be honest. A little worried about. Because it's I think it's going to be the sequel with the longest gap between. It's you know between it in its predecessor and I was a little worried that there might not be much hype around it but Sam. Ramey to me. That's like a I'm on board That today is as to were salmon. Remy and I'm a more. Actually if you say to three words Bruce Campbell Cameo and I am totally on board with with why I kinda. I'm a little surprised I wasn't worried about that movie at all. I feel like doctor. Strange is sort of going to be counted on as the linchpin of of the new lineup of vendors that we have coming up I feel like is pinning a lot on him and especially you know. It seemed like it was going to be dodger. Strange Spiderman were the two flagship characters but then after the whole spider war between marvel and Sony. I don't think they can count on Spiderman as much as they want to do. So I feel like doctor strange is going to be to me. He's sort of the new iron man like the glue holding the vendor's together and Sam Raimi to me only makes it better. I was very comfortable with Scott. Erickson directing it. I thought he did a great job with the first one. I liked that. He has a Har- background. Because I think it lends itself well to dodger strange especially if they were going to go in the direction that Derek was planning on taking it with bringing in nightmare and all that stuff that that to me was a match made in heaven. I thought the first doctor strange looked amazing. One of the more underrated MC movies so I was fine with both Ramey is not bad. I'm a little surprised to be honest. That raise jumping back into the superhero tentpole world. I mean his experience on Spiderman. Three was notoriously not good. He was forced to put in too many things that movie and ultimately sunk it. So I'm a little surprised to see him. Jump back into the fray but maybe I don't know maybe he was like convinced him that. It's not the same thing as as working for Sony. I I don't know but anytime same Ramey gets involved obviously. He made two of the better comic book movies of All Time. Not to bench the evil dead movies and all the other things. Sam Raimi's done so I love it. Frank your thoughts. Oh Yeah I mean I think Sam Remy Takeout Spiderman three and. I don't think he can really blame Sam for Spiderman three which you know. I don't want to say too much about that anymore. Go back and listen to our two. Parter our Spidey tastic two-parter from the summit at sea from last summer. If you want to hear about that but Yeah I mean Sim Raimi brings it once again. It's like you're bringing in a name to this universe now that has that has some gravitas to it. You know what I mean like you said. Now you've got a guy involved in the M. C. You who has made two of the better superhero movies of all time and I like. I'm I'm super excited about it. I didn't know that he was in talks two months ago. This was like huge news to me. Latte like last week but now I think it's great. I can't wait you know. Derrick since got horror background fox to Sam Raimi's so it's it's it's. It's still can be a shattering. Me Does Weird and fucked up really well. I do worry though. Because it's the same deal like an edgar right or a or a Colin trevorrow like I feel like same. Remy has his own vision for things and he is not going to. I don't think he'll hang around and get fucked worth like. He was on Spiderman three so if Disney Marvel Feigen whoever I don't WanNa get into Disney pissing contest again. But if people start getting in the way of what he wants to do he'll walk so that that's what that's the only trepidation I have. Yeah I like the I mean. Obviously I agree with you know with Frank said He. This is a guy that can do as a very distinctive visual style. And I think a Doctor. Strange movie is very open to that I hope he's going in with Eyes Wide Open. The Guy has been with. The exception of is a great impeccable. He's been in for all. The purposes retired three from from directing movies. So I hope he's going into this because he really wants to do any of these excited to work with marvel studios was drowsy. Drag me to hell after Spiderman. Three I mean he that he has been corrected that in two thousand nine and then the great and powerful two thousand thirteen and then nothing since that which is seven years other than a few episodes of television he did one episode of Ashworth Evil Dead. Which is he could probably do asleep. And he did. Two episodes of Rake starring Greg Kinnear which didn't last very long Amazing JOBS. He's been essentially producing. You know he's you know there's been a couple movies that have come out with the from the mind of San Ramey tag like but he's just all that means is he's producing it. He hasn't directed anything quite a while. One of the other interesting things about this is. There's already were a lot of rumors based on the title of the movie. That doctor strange in the multi-diverse Amandus that we could see a lot of returning characters and we could see used some actors from other things that you know the SORTA like the crisis on That we got with on on TV that we could see the return of some other versions of these characters. As doctor strange goes through the multi-diverse and obviously with his ties to to McGuire and the original spider man trilogy we could potentially actually see like an alternate version of Spiderman or. I don't know if they can use spider-man or to McGuire pop up in like a spiderman like role or an ad or more broadly we could see the return of characters that have been killed off like Tony Stark or black widow or things like also to see the return of Gopher Grey says fennel. I do think he's the God. That was the worst casting ever I do think that he's a pert. Like marvel has been the. Mci particular has been tiptoeing teasing and everything but actually diving into the multi-diverse concept. And I think he's a great guy to handle it for sure that that gives me a lot of gives me a lot of faith that because I think I think when phase four is over we're going into phase five whenever that fuck it happens now but we're going to look back and say the most important movie to like the marvel continuity in face for was doctor. Strange I think for sure. Yeah it certainly feels like to name a movie something that that lately that that's kind of where the MC used to this multi verse to this multi verse concept and. It's certainly teeing itself up with director like Sam Raimi and if your doctor strange is the linchpin in the avengers or the earthbound Lynch pin anyway. Yeah definitely I agree with that though. Yeah I think I think a lot of the when we look back will say like. Oh that's where whatever the next big overarching story that. They're going to tell his. I feel like the doctor strange movies where it's going to start to come together. I mean that's my feeling. That's when Kangol show up or mode. Doc Doc. How can you guys like Murdoch more than King? That was definitely said Super Sarcasm. Leisa your you. You've misread the situation outside horribly. So I mean do you think it would be good for people if I read you know just to give everybody what the dates are that marvel bill? You know what I got an idea. Why don't you read the dates for the for the marvel slate okay? Let's wish I thought of it to movies in particular whose release dates i WanNa talk about. you got okay so black widow which was originally supposed to be out in fifteen days. Sadly is not it got moved to November sixth twenty. Twenty Hopefully there are movies then. God Willing which I think is that election day. That'd be there that's Election Week. I think anyway So and that pushes the turtles to February twelve. Twenty twenty one. That's the one that's one of the ones I wanNA talk about. Okay that's in. That's in post right now. Principal Photography is done so that movie can be finished. So Do you feel like attorneys now? Being moved to what is traditionally known as the dump ury window is a bad sign for turtles. Box Office hopes. No I don't at all number one you know I. I don't think February is Chits Ville anymore. I think that has been you know that that myth is over now with just the last couple of years you can look at. Deadpool came out in February. Black Panther came out in the in unusual dumps Ville month and Black Panther made of just an astounding amount of money captain. America Captain Marvel also came out in February. I feel like February president's Day weekend is like a new sort of a new tent pole weekend so I don't think I it's where marvel is GonNa Release Shanxi so I mean I feel like they were going to introduce a new character there so I feel like if anything I feel like internals actually going to do better than Changji would have done. Just just with the amount of star wattage. That's in the movie so I don't. I don't have any concerns about that anymore. I feel like plus the concept of being able to go to a movie again is still going to be somewhat right. But it's not as cut and dry as it used to be with summer movie season. And then you know the Shit's Ville that you dump everything crappy at the end of August and September even September like when it the two chapters came out. Set The box office on fire in September's September and October usually historically terrible months. I feel like it's all starting to blend together a lot like what happened in TV like used to be fall season starts. Then there's November sweeps and there's February sweeps then there's a break and there's Mae sweeps now it's like things can premier anytime anywhere so I mean I feel like all that stuff. Those those benchmarks are starting to erode. My my only reason I brought it up and you know there's a little bit of in Kevin. Feige we trust here and if he thinks this is a property that can fly. He's proven that properties we kinda Dow like Guardians of the Galaxy. Cetera can fly. But this is a this seem like a real risk when they said they're going to make this movie and you know the only reason I kind of brought up. Yeah no I get it I get it. I understand why you brought it up. I think it's the same like we. All everybody including me is like Oh gardens galaxy of course everybody knew it was gonna be a home run but I mean it's the same thing. Guardians of the galaxy was monster risk. I think especially like now. We're used Chris. Pratt being this star but he was not one of them was a wrestler like it was. There was a tree like there was a raccoon. Like the. It's people that aren't familiar with work from marvel comics. Where like what the fuck is this and now I think there are people who were familiar with marvel comics like what the fuck is this. I'm not sure that the eternal is all that different arrests than guardians of the galaxy was back then and then you add to that that you know. It's not being anchored by quite frankly unknown sort of unknown Chris. Pratt with the PUDGY guy from parks and REC. When guarding the came out this this has Angelina Jolie and Richard Madden Kit Harrington and all kinds of famous people in our energy so I'm not as concerned so that pushes. Interestingly so this is one that I think is more a little more interesting. John fraternals coming out in February twenty twenty one pushes Shanxi in the legend of the ten rings to May Seventh Twenty Twenty one which is sort of a prime if you still believe in the summer season that's like prime summer launch spot. I'm wondering if you know they kind of are forced into situation but would they have normally had the confidence to launch sanctuary at this time? I'm I this is another one. It seems like a higher risk project though. I think a lot of the same points hit on eternal apply here except maybe even more so because you know this is doesn't even have the the Star wattage that that the eternal has also star in it. Yeah that that's accurate so I mean it's it's definitely a you know another one where you know. A lot of it's going to depend on the marketing and that marketing is what sold guardians of the galaxy. Above all else. I think a lot of it for both of these movies GonNa depend on how well they're marketed. Shanxi I mean everybody's unproven I. I actually saw the movie. Just mercy with Michael Jordan and Jamie Foxx. The reason I bring that up is because that was directed by the guy who's directing Shanxi and I thought it was well made so I mean he can direct But yeah I mean. They plucked Shanxi from from an audition tape. He he's nobody. Tony Lung is hugely famous star in into Far East but not in America. He's playing the true Mandarin and then Aquafina sort of kind of a crossover star which I think will she'll be heavily featured in the marketing. But yeah I think February like like he was. I argued against it a minute ago but the point you were making before. Shanxi to me was like okay. February makes sense may is like that's like that's that that weekend is the launch the summer movie season such as this so. I like this is kind of a joke kind of not a joke so you just listen to what. I'm going to say does Parasite winning best picture help this at all or have anything to do with them. Having the confidence to put in May I don't. I'm not sure I'm not sure if parasite in particular does I think more broadly this is a this is a middle kingdom releases much of his A. Us that madness. Yeah I I think parasite winning certainly made them feel better about the movie in general and the and the reaction that that movie has gotten but I mean I think if you injected five with truth serum he would say he'd prefer Shanxi to release in February two then may but this is. This is the situation they got stuck in. I do want to. John made the point earlier that we could be possibly getting four marvel movies in twenty twenty one. You know technically if spider-man stays if we're counting movies I do want to just say a Moebius is still scheduled for release in March of two thousand twenty one so that would actually be a fifth sort of marvel movie that year. I don't know how I feel about that. I was perfectly ready to take a dump all over that movie than they released a trailer. That had Michael Keaton at the end. I was like well. Fuck now I wanna see it yet. I mean the naysayers about Superhero movie oversaturation or just GonNa be out en masse with add volume of marvel movies too. So that'll just give him more fuel to the fire on that one. Yeah I mean I make fun of more bs all the time because I don't understand why is giving movie. Can I hate Jared Lido? But that was a good trailer. I I don't know I don't know what else to say I'm going to. I mean if movies are a thing then I'm GonNa go see it stupid Jordan Catalano. I questioned the needs in the universe for a more BS movie. That's what I that's always been my opinion. It looks like they're gonNA set him up to be part of the Sony version of the sinister six. I guess I don't see why you would include Gaetan otherwise but I don't know Australia pipedream cheeses so that pushes the movie. We talked a lot about already Doctor Strange in the multi man is all the way till November. Twenty twenty one which is cool. I mean that's the November. Thanksgiving window is a big one. I like dodger strange there for some reason. I don't know but I don't have any worries about this movie. I think this is going to be sensational. Definitely the one. I'm most excited about or sure. Yeah Yeah also the now the next one. I'm very excited about two. Yeah so I'm going to back up. I don't know why this is like this on the list. I'm reading from but if we do get the spiderman the untitled spiderman three. Whatever it's going to be called that is scheduled to release right in the smack in the middle of summer. Two Thousand Twenty one July sixteenth. I have a feeling that's going to be adjusted but I don't know and we don't know really. There's absolutely no details as to what could be happening other than the persistent rumor that keeps floating around that because of what happened at the end of the last fighter movie were. Peter was unmasked by Jamison that he's going to need a lawyer. And that marvel wants to use Charlie Cox Matt Murdock. Which would be sensational. But this isn't a marvel movie right now. Why I mean it's it's a co- co-produced marble does not have control over their released. A Sony does I mean I think they tried to release date. They try to work together on it. But ultimately Sony has controlled the Spiderman movie rights. And they get to decide if they're gonNA keep us out. But as far as I can see still listed is in pre production um which means that everything they were doing. Pre production is now being delayed multiple lines because it was going on right now. I just can't imagine this is GonNa stay where it is. I agree by Marvel can certainly Loan Charlie Cox to this movie and still keep the rights to daredevil. That's not a concern. So then the the last phase for a movie gets pushed all the way to February of Twenty twenty two which is love and thunder with Tyco. It coming back. And Natalie Portman coming back as lady four this one. I feel like I got a I. Don't WANNA say upset them again because I think some people. I don't really believe in the stereotype. That February is shit smell anymore like I said earlier but four is kind of a big release to be in February. I think they prefer this November but it is what it is. I mean I think this one is a little bit more release date proof than the tunnels which is why I was. I not this list of wants to bring up. Because if February's going to negatively impact the box office of something that I would think something that's potentially weaker like the eternal much more negatively affected than four which already has the built in audience right but I but I do think even with the built in audience store. I feel like movies just even though. February isn't curse dead zone that it used to be. I still think opening in May or November. Gets you bigger box? I think that's where they'd wanNA position especially since store is kind of the last. Og evanger laughed. After you know. I think they want a position that in a prime spot but this is this is where we are. So after that. It's it's it's that's the official interface for as far as the Info that I have but we do have some other release. Dates may six twenty twenty to kick off to summer. Twenty Twenty Black Panther to July eight twenty twenty two is captain. Marvel to which there is a pretty big debate. Going on as to whether we'd people want that and and then tvd twenty. I thought I thought everybody loved Captain Mario. Well there's a strong contingent of people that do and then there's also just as strong contingent of people who thinks she's a the actresses boring and be the characters overpowered. So I mean look I. This is the other one I wanted to talk about. And I don't necessarily want to relitigate. The quality of the Captain Marvel movie or The you know the necessity of the capital Barnwell character or whether she was better when she was Ms Marvel than she is. Now as Captain Marvel spoiler she was But but I will say that I think the I got marvel movie made as much money today because it was sandwiched between the two biggest events in recent cinematic history or two of the biggest Around history and it was sold although when you actually watch. It wasn't true as a necessary element to bridge the gap between Infinity Ward Endgame and I think tacking it on as like the new post Black Panther. I think it's going to be a lot harder to sell it that way. Let's put it that way and I would not be surprised to see a dramatic dour shift in the box office this go round also because honestly even critics who frankly were supportive of it on political grounds Found the movie middling at best. Yeah I found the movie middling at best. I only go see movies based on political grounds but I would. I would be down and we have a lot of time so maybe it could possibly happen. I would like I hate recasts but this is a situation where I would be all four recast. I was really excited about Larson when she got hired but I agree that she's not brought anything to the role. I'm not sure that the movie did her a ton of favors but I I would. I would certainly be down to fantastic absolutely. I'd be interested to see whether John's right or not. I mean I do think the whatever you WanNa call it me two times girl power whatever. All those things also played a part in the box office to that movie. It was released at a culturally perfect time not to mention being sandwiched between the two vendors movies. I'm interested to see what happens. I don't know whether I agree or disagree with John. I really I can see both I. I I'm curious. I would just be shocked if this made one point. Two billion dollars of the sequel. I I just I. Just don't think the reaction. The first movie was that that strong and I don't see any way they can position the second sequel again as like that. Necessary of an element Are we don't fool me once. Shame on you for me twice in center and I just don't see contingent coming out again. It strongly kind of that that sort of like political polarization especially depending on what happens in November two Hey did you guys I so over the last Excuse me coughing. I've covered nineteen Over the last month or so reading reading like the twitter's in the facebooks. Were you guys aware of the Of the contingent the large contingent of people out there. That hate Thor Ragnarok. No not really. Yeah I mean there's a lot of people that put it out. There is like one of the bottom three m. c. You movies. It's ridiculous it's ridiculous like standing for the Thordarson role Alright the worst. Mci One hundred percent. It's the worst marvel. It's worse than the incredible hulk with Norton. Yeah I mean for me. It's like I. I love that movie. I think it's so remarkable it's crazy takeaway tedious. He can do whatever he wants to do to get into speculation world. We Know Venom to is supposed to come out sometime that year as well whether that gets pushed because Twang that you know. These years are looking crowded now. I don't think it will. I think Sony will want to release in twenty twenty two at some point which will be interesting to see whether Tom Holland shows up in that one or not. We know we're getting Tom. Hardy back is Eddie. Brock and Woody Harrelson is carnage whether Holland shows up is still speculatory. Best after that. We have a bunch of release dates. That marvel has announced but without movies in them October. Seven twenty twenty two. Actually Tober is October. Seventh is a Sony Date February Seventeenth Twenty. Twenty three may fifth twenty twenty three July. Twenty eight twenty twenty three November third twenty twenty three and then the movies that we have confirmed. That are actually going to happen. Our aunt man three with peyton returning to direct blade with Mersal Ali as Blade Guardians of the galaxy volume. Three which after now so gun can be available and then after that. We don't really know that's all marvels confirm. They have a bunch of dates. But they were expecting a deadpool. Three announcement at some point works hinted that fantastic four was on the horizon perhaps X. men I don't know but that's where we're at right now with the marble slate. Yeah I think that's that's you're going to be your sweet spot for marketing cabin. Marvel you know as far as going back on my own previous defense. I think if you place it as you'll see a big real for what's going to happen in fees or five and then the concern in the fantastic four show up in the post credits scene or something like that. Then you know that. That could be a good way. I'm not obviously that's been marketing tactic of Marvel's since I am the buyer men once it's not like it's at ating testing with John Krasinski as Reed Richards. That's what I want to say. Yeah he was put us either super bitter. They didn't get that cat. America role or super pushing for hip or his his Kasinga's Reed Richards in that most recent SDN. He was Captain America. I mean I don't know I think. At the time I remember hearing that he was like one of the finalists. And being like what? But now that I've Seen Amiss Jack Ryan. I don't think it's that crazy. The guy's fucking writ I mean show that That Benghazi movie. He is fucking. We just delightful also true. He gets early. Pull off the light. Comedy elements that they can't even read richards and his wife Sue Storm. I'm I'm here for it. I really want to be on that set. Honestly it could be a WHO saw. The marvel sleet obviously fluid. Considering what the world is going through right now. But that's where we're at. Unfortunately this is going to be the longest gap between MCI MOVIES. Ever which is depressing. Are you new to comic books? Or ASPIRING TO WANNA get into comic books or are you an old reader just wants a new perspective and take from a fellow. Comic Book enthusiasts. Have you been searching for comic book? Podcast and finding the most of the content isn't necessarily talking so much about comics. 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You know what that means we gotta get back. It's time for the lost re-watch. Now's when you do the sound effect. Run A ball all right bill so we are on episode seven. This one Charlie centric episode entitled the Moth. You got the Dietz their bill. I do have the deeds and this is going to be interesting. So this is season one episode. Seven like you said called the moth. It's a charlie. Centric episode. Originally date is November third two thousand four writers credited on this episode Jennifer Johnson who I don't know and Paul Dini who was the lead writer of Batman the animated series back in the day or eight rooming the creator of Harley Quinn. Yes it's his only real non animated work. I actually saw that. I went and looked at his wikipedia. Page and this is basically it. This is the only real live action thing. He ever godly strange to me. I don't like that is so weird. Like why this episode right exactly. If there was something in here that like struck me as very Paul Dini. They would make more sense. But it's not. It's so odd and this was directed by lost that Jack Bender. I feel like a lot of really great episodes are going to end up being Jack Bender. Yeah so there. We go and this is an episode. Where Franken I. I think we were talking about this off. Line a little bit when it first started and I remember that it was the Charlie episode. I was like this is not going to be great but I ended up really liking it. What about you guys? Yeah same thing out of the gate I was like Oh man like this this episodes. It's depressing it's you know. Charlie wanders drugs it's it's like but then as its as it started to like. It starts slow in picks up this momentum and then it just keeps picking up momentum and it's a great episode. There's a Lotta great one on one scenes between you know whether it's Charlie and Locke or Charlie and Jack or caterer Kate and Sawyer Yeah it's just there's a there's a there's just really good character interaction. And maybe that's where Paul Dini put his stink on this one. But it's there's a lot of there's a lot of moments in this episode where it it it creates a lot of feelings and It's an emotional episode. I think you know The one part of the beginning of the show or towards the beginning episode I liked is when he was in the confessional and he's like I had relations with a woman I didn't even know and then right after I had relations with another woman I didn't even know. In then I watched them have relations with each other. And it's just I dominic Monaghan a hoot. This was this was the first chance he's really gotten to sort of stretch in this show so far. Yeah because up to this point. He's he's always the guy in the background going like he's been kind of guys what's he's been kind of useless which is like which is the whole episode exactly so let's talk about. Let's take us into parts. Let's talk about the flashback. I which which the flashback which is kind of you know. Acis behind music but I really. I liked a lot Gives you a little more of a a look into WHO Charlie is like? I think I'm trying to remember back to when I watched the episode. But you know based on what we've seen so far in the island you're assuming he's a lifelong drug addict and really. He was the clean one when the band I started. His brother was the one that got him hooked into it which I thought was an interesting character pivot. Yeah in like it's you know. His his backstory super tragic. You know the key tries to leave the band. He's religious and you try to leave the band and make himself a better man His brother Begs stayed and then he shall. We stick around for his for his older brother to support him. The brother becomes a drug addict. Charlie ends up becoming a drug as a result and then his older brother. Kinda just fucking bolts like worst brother ever man becomes a family man and then the roles are completely reversed by the end of the flashback. I was actually you. You mentioned that Franken I would like to give another perspective on that which is you know coming from some level of experience here Those who struggle with addiction being around other addicts. Especially when you're not necessarily comfortable in your sobriety can be barry enabling an unhealthy. His brother does indicate he's tried to reach out Charlotte. Charlie several times in trolley has has rebuffed him and is now only coming to him because he needs something So I didn't have quite negative perspective on Liam that that that you did 'cause I know obviously Charlie is a character. The were designed to be more sympathetic to but now as someone who knows something about you know sobriety and things like that like you have to cut that shit out of your life especially when you're first getting sober and You Know Charlie wasn't willing to to go there. Obviously he's not wrong in saying that like his brother kind of destroyed his life but at the same time like what's his brother going to do. Charlie's not GONNA get sober right. Yes well it's zero sum. It's sort of a no win situation. Like yes Charlie wouldn't have gotten hooked without Liam being kind of a Douche but that that doesn't mean that lately shouldn't be able to get his life together and to get his life together. He probably had to bolt for for a little while but like John says he. You know it's made clear that. Charlie's been avoiding his phone calls and all that stuff and now is only coming to him because he probably doesn't have anything else in his life and wants to get driveshaft back together and you know that's that you know is brought to the ones that got driveshaft together and probably before drug says no so then Charlie catch a plane and that plane goes down so I mean it's a pretty straightforward a relatively straightforward flashback. It's pure character like let's learn about Charlie. There's nothing no big revelation in this one sort of like the lock. The lock flashback. It's you know it's pretty straightforward. But it's interesting and I found myself whereas when the episode first started and I was like but I got my I got engrossed in both the flashback and the island as the episode went on. Yeah there's not a big there's a big holy shit moment at the end of this episode. It's just right it's it's a really it's just a really well. Brit moral character centric episode. And there's there's a holy shit moment we'll get to it. Yeah I mean my my favorite. My favorite moments in this episode are probably between Charlie and lock your from once again. Locked just knows everything about everything right. Even moths Transformations and everything but when he gives him the ultimatum and he says I'm you know I'm going to give you three chances. The third time you asked me for your drugs. I'm GonNa give them to you and it's just in just lock is so good. I I don't even know how to put it in the words. He's just such a good character while I think John a couple of weeks ago when we were talking about him mention that he's sort of taken on this like Zen master believe in the island kind of guy and this is another. This is another point in that direction. Like and it's true what he says. The lock is true like when he points out the title the episode of the moth and the moth mess episodes Charlie when he points out the moth. And says you know I could cut it out of the cocoon too early but it's not strong enough in it'll die you know. The beauty is in the struggle and watching them off. Claude of his cocoon. And that's what that's essentially what Charlie is doing and like it is it's great it's great lock as a -Tario Quinn is great in the role but it is like you know he comes office at this point. I'm as viewers starting to question. Like why is he so called and all no he almost seems like a Djeddai about everything exactly so I had a different perspective on this episode. And you guys. I want to say I didn't like it but I didn't love it and you know I think there's two ways I can look at this episode. One is that it's pretty ham-fisted Metaphor episode. That feels a little bit like eleventh grade English class where they actually have to tell you. Hey this is the metaphor and I'm going to explain it to you and the episodes in a play out exactly like metaphor and I prefer to think that's I think the other way to view it is. We might get not get a lot of over mystical aspects in this episode by that. This kind of scenario that occurred were Charlie had to go and Save Jack and kind of go through the loss to butterfly. Struggle Metamorphosis Metaphor was something that the island was doing to that there is a force that created a situation or Charlie to go through it. But I think that's kind of favourable. Take on it. The last favor was that this is this is super ramboll issues and these writers. Wan To do a they think. Metaphors are nifty. Because 'cause most writers like metaphors and and But you could clearly see it coming and and that's the inelegant way of looking at that is like the equivalent to beer bad now. I mean certainly not that bad but I mean to be blood. Buffy the vampire slayer is the show that taught me look for metaphors in everything and to look for bad metaphors and good metaphors and buffy suffered occasionally from bad metaphor is and. I thought this was a really ambitious. I think so I. I agree with John. I do think you know nothing about Charlie story in. This was surprising like you can see everything coming as much as I loved. The character seen between locking Charlie with the moth. I think the episode would have been a better episode if lock hadn't had to explain it to the audience like if Charlie was by himself and was just staring at him off and the audience had to put it together. It would have been better. It would have been less N. Volition John. Calls it that being said sometimes if they hit you over the head with the metaphor. I don't mind it as much like I didn't. This one wasn't the most clever writing ever it was to ham-fisted but I still enjoy it. I still enjoyed the process for Charlie at the beginning of the episode when Jack is bringing stuff to the cave and he knocks over the suitcase and his. I end up the Valium. And he's pretty much told like go. Sit in the corner so you can't hurt anything and by the end. He's the one that puts his life on the line and goes and rescues. Jack and Jackie have this nice moment in the and then at the end he gets his drugs. Walk and throw them in the fire like yes. It's ham fisted. But it's also. I thought a very necessary character. Turn for Charley. Yeah I think the show has the ability to be a little more subtle than this and we talked about how they do a lot of showing and not telling and this was definitely so for instance like you could also take the fact that Sawyer is reading watership down which is a story about basically a Joseph Cambell monmouth where the the rabbit that kind of Not Very assertive and the ends up becoming a leader and going through a struggle to succeed And that's a little more you know those who've never read watership down aren't even GonNa know that it's a lot more. There's more subtlety in that shot than there is in lock explaining exactly what's happening in the episode that I guess is kind of my take. So that's a nice little pivot to Sawyer. The other big plot thing we have going on the island in this episode is saieed trying to determine the location of the French recording. He's doing this whole thing with triangulation where they have to shoot off rockets and activate all their things at the same time so we can triangulate the location. It's not important like the technical part of it. What is important is a we get a little more sawyer him being just an unrepentant douchebag the entire episode which is going to make next week's episode even better when we start to get into the backstory of Sawyer and find out that he's more than just a one dimensional asshole thought the scenes between him and Kate. We're good in this episode. And then the Mild Holy Shit in this episode is saieed with help from Shannon and Sawyer and Kate and whoever else manages tried to triangulate the source of the French recording and justice. He does it. He gets knocked unconscious by persons unknown. Which is the big. Which was kind of the low moment of this episode? Somebody else's on this island so I WANNA touch on both of those because I thought the Sawyer stop was Kinda weird the way they did it. And there's another one where I felt like you could see what the writers were doing in that a lot of his conversation with Kate before he accidentally reveals what he was supposed to be telling her is basically him saying exactly what you're saying now comparing himself to Jack and kind of saying like I'm not as bad as you think I am Which is another one of those like I think. I'd rather they show that than have him. Basically tell her that Alan. I'm going to call you out on though because I think I think you're watching this sort of you know it's impossible not to you're also watching it with the benefit of hindsight. I don't know that it's obvious the first time you watch it. That's a fair point and then I believe the other thing is that You know I don't know as the audience that we really because the next episode is going to pivot a lot on exactly what you're talking about with Sade except there is no belief that there's anybody else's island. I'm not sure that that was necessarily take that anybody had I watching this episode. Was that you know the the others are are something that exists. And that's what the going to be the crux of the on island action next week so not to get too much. I mean I feel like I think again. I'm watching it with hindsight and I'm trying not to. I think the first time I watch it. I remember thinking like. Are we supposed to think one of his? You know one of the people from the flight knocked him out or are we supposed to think there's somebody else. I think it's a good like it's a good question other than that. Charlie turns into a butterfly rescues Jack and then it looks like darth city is at the end of the episode. Yeah one of one of the goofs in this episode from Las Pedia was that the scene right before they you know they reunite with everybody. Charleen jacker in the cave and they're like covered in dirt and sweat and their faces are almost black and then when they reunite with everybody they're like completely clean which is interesting shower together. You know what I mean. Yeah I mean it's lonely. I was also going to say when Charlie gets the heroine before he throws the fire and he's looking at it and I was like my God. It's like fucking Bobo. The range so yeah and then know the episode kind of ends on a hopeful note. Charlie throws the drugs in the fire. Lock says he's proud of him and Charlie sees them off again and that's again the the writers one last time. Hammering you with the moth metaphor not much going on trivial is from from lost. Pedia is the first time you hear driveshafts seeing you all everybody which I guess is kind of a deal. Can you get that song anywhere? Like is that song available for download. I don't know I think everything's available for download or the first time most of the survivor of Oceanic fifteen minute wardrobe changes episode yet lock as is like Classic Green Shirt here and see a lot of that. Anybody who is following along to see a whole lot of that green sure did not some other people. Jack had a different shirt on this week and some change clothes and ginger shed about it. The pattern of three was a major recurring theme in this episode. In the confessional Charlie recalls three sinful experiences lock gives Charlie three opportunities for us to get his heroin? Back sites planned to isolate distress signal involves using three antenna three individuals at three different points on the island and Charlie sees the moth three different times. We also we also find out that Jack has a third testicle yet Wasn't that a cut scene. Did but that's weird because it's just like It's just like our TEX chain. The other day bill that went on for like four hours just posting memes of things that have to do with three the worst radim fucking thing ever so really nothing nothing as far as really great Easter eggs or anything like that Couple good bloopers already mentioned one. Where Jack and Charlie miraculously clean after coming out of the cave In the flashback scene where Charlie visits his brother's home you can see you can see the boom mic reflected in the top of the window on the left side of the screen when Charlie knocks on the door which I went back Jack. Bender Bender has a lot of trouble. I went back and looked for. You could see As the seed changes from the cave where Charlie volunteers to get Jack to the tree. Where Sawyer and? Kate are waiting for cited signal. A shot of the valley landscape is shown a line of fence posts and film. Crew equipment can be seen just funny in the dressing room scene when Leeann leaves. Various film crew members can be seen in the mirrors post-production attempting to blow them out but didn't do a great job and then Then the the Jack and Charlie completely clean. That's one of the other things that being the person who always has dimension this There was a nice little conversation between Jack Kate where they kind of. Because it's a Pretty Jack. Light episode overall But there was a conversation that kind of the beginning of the episode. Where talking about the decision to leave the beach were stay and we get more of the you know. Faith versus science You know. Kate has faded. They're going to get off the island and Jack is again more of your your science guy who's just like no. The facts are telling me that. We're not getting off this island anytime soon. So this is the best thing to do so to be the guy that points that out of. Every time I wash these episodes never really good too because Jack sort of makes a mistake in that conversation not mistake but he says I don't understand why you won't come with me and then corrects himself and says with us so I mean there's the faith versus science thing and then there's also the Jackie Kate thing. Yeah Jack Jack WanNa get it in Katie. Yeah so there's that and then in one of the in one of the many scenes where Sawyer cracks me up when he enters. That conversation is fucking hilarious. Yeah what's his what's his line. It's like I'd like to trying to get a few things at her to the EPA. Then he comes in and says like I heard old Dhaka's vacate the premises. I WanNa get dibs and drops the suitcases. And then when Jack lease he gives them the sarcastic wave I love everything about Sawyer and almost every scene All right guys good episode A lot of good chatter enjoying the law street. Watch a lot of speaking of. It's not really rewatch. It's more like I watch. I decided to take on the ambitious task of watching all of STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION. I told you you got a million EPA. You'll be if this quarantine going for two years and you wouldn't finish one hundred and seventy eight episodes I am six in But I love it. I mean it's so good so enjoyable. I'm just kind of shock. As the first season is widely regarded as you know bike. Almost unrecoverable on that. It's kind of amazing that they recovered from it so go. I'm glad you're enjoying it. Honestly because you powered through the first season only gets better from there anyway. I just think there's a whole mean about reicher growing the beard that like when Reicher grows a beard the show gets you in that light growing. The beard is like a thing that a show gets show turns a certain point like parks and REC win. When Christopher and Adam sky and the in rob lowe joined the cast it grows the beard It's sort of like the opposite of jumping the shark so that just kind of a fan thing so unhappy enjoying it. Don't get me wrong but anybody that wants to watch more. Tng's makes me just absolutely delighted to. Yeah I mean I I I get that at night. Watch two or three episodes and go to bed happy. I mean it's like it's comforting. It's it's like Super Fun to watch. Patrick Stewart's awesome. I love Tasha Yar. She probably my favorite in your own. Only person in the history of Star Trek Canon to designate Tasha Yar as their favorite person. She's my favorite. You're meeting your a lovely. I'm Tasha Yar mark and You know I I guess I never realised how amazing Brent spiner is. Oh Yeah don't don't get too attached Tasha Yar. Why figured because I I never lousy. Who Fuck is this so I know she must not be around for long. It's one of those things like with spiner. It's one of those things like saying you know like spock is your favorite. He's so good and everybody likes him so much that it's you know you can't most people don't say like data's my favorite character on. The because but he's so good he he really. There's a very it's a permanent legitimate opinion to have You know I love. Captain Picard which is also pretty obvious. Yeah and I guess I would. I never realized Captain Picard. I guess part of his whole personality is like he's just so his such a hard time like being relatable in transacting with other human beings. I mean it's I mean I again. I don't want to spoil anything for you. But it's literally a theme that runs through the entire show and is the crux of the final episode of the show and a very very touching way so You know more power to you for getting through because it's It's it's just wanders a whole episode. I can't even get into all of it. But there's a whole dump a whole episode with. The car is one of the finest hours of television where that I've ever watched and it's not even real heavy sort of like space Powell episode is just fantastic so now that I'm logging it. I'm super excited so That's what I got going on and I'm going to get done this jump in bed. Watch a couple of episodes of TNG go nippy KNEIPP's so What about you guys anything? They'll say closing out. Not really just Hopefully everybody's doing okay. Hopefully the people that are listening to this are enjoying it. I don't know what I'm GONNA do. I don't know what I'm going to work right I might. I might designate tonight. Read night we'll say yeah. I just I watched the first two episodes of locking key last night on that flex and I'm going to watch a couple of war tonight. So how is that Johnny? Hey I just there's something about teenage actors in like teen drama. Where if you don't treat it with either a very light touch like the OC or with some Or buffy that just kind of puts me off like kind of surly. Teenagers in depress teenagers. Even if they're depressed for fairly good reasons not necessarily the most entertaining viewing experience that being said the productions pretty cool. The House is very well done. Really like rising the comics but I. I just wish it was a little as I wish. Almost anything had a little more copy in a little more likely into the. It says them tonal issues. That Way. There's like some really depressing Shit. And then sometimes it's a horror show but at some time. But it's mystifying tone in the first couple of episodes Johnny. I think it was one of my big surprises. So far watching next generation is the amount of humor and lightheartedness that they put into the episodes. I I've I've been very surprised by it. Yeah I mean they're original star. Trek had some comedy. Not all of it was intentional. 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Trail of the Pink Panther (1982) | Blake Edwards

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Trail of the Pink Panther (1982) | Blake Edwards

"Welcome to around around the world in eighty s movies. My name is Vince Leo. I am the author of the Film Review Website. QUIT STIR DOT net. I invite you to check out over four thousand of my written reviews. You can be there anytime. Webster Dot net is where to go key. WIP S. T. E. R. DOT net. While you're there encourage you to check out my podcast covering brand new movies out in theaters. It is called the film review. PODCAST gas you can check out that link anytime at Quip stor dot net. Today I'm going to get into the beginning of another three part series actually spins off kind of from the previous series. I just looked at a couple of fletch films. And that reminds me that there are other films of the Nineteen Eighties Feature bumbling detectives who wear disguises specifically so the next three films I'm going to be covering on. This show are bumbling detectives in films of the Nineteen Eighties. fletch technically was not a detective was a reporter but these will be actual detectives when you think of bumbling detectives one of the first names you probably come up with breath if not the top name is inspector clue cells so this first film. I'm going to be looking at will. Be One of the Pink Panther series now. Obviously there were five six depending on how you counted there was one film that was called inspector coup so that did not have Peter sellars in or was directed by Blake Edwards. But but there were many films that came out before the nineteen eighty s that I could be covering here in order to gear up toward the two P.. Pampa films that came out in eighties however because because most of that series exists outside of the eighties and you can watch these two pink panther films with only very passing familiarity with the characters. I think that I will just choose to concentrate on the two films that came out in the nineteen eighties. So so the first one happens to be trail of the Pink Panther. And it's a film that I think. Most people will be entertained. Aimed about hearing the making of the movie than they will be in actually watching the movie but it does have its fans and I do want to talk about some. Yeah because I do find it very fascinating. So from Nineteen eighty-two trail of the Pink Panther is a PG rated film as are pretty much all of the other Pink Panther series as at least up to that point brief nudity comic violence some language. The run time is an hour and thirty six minutes. Peter sellars is the star now did come out in nineteen eighty two when he died in one thousand. Nine hundred eighty I guess I'll get into the recent. Why he's The star here? Herbert Lom returns for Herbert. Lom returns as DREYFUSS. Joanna Lumley David Niven Robert Loggia. Burt Kwok Graham Stark. Richard Mulligan Cappuccino and Denise Crosby are in the film Blake Edwards returned ends as the Director Edwards also co wrote the screenplay along with his son Geoffrey Edwards Frank Waldman in Tom Waldman do get credit for their screenplay in play. But that's because it does contain footage from films that the scripted before now Peter sellars who played the bumbling yet somehow how highly effective inspector clue so he died on July twenty fourth nineteen eighty and he is to whom trail of the Pink Panther Panther which was released two and a half years after his death it would be dedicated to him. Sellers had been slated to appear shortly before his death in nineteen eighty in different pink panther film that one was going to be entitled the Romance of the Pink Panther. He Co wrote that film himself along with help from Jim Maloney. Who had helped Peter Your sellers right nine thousand nine hundred eighty s the fiendish plot of Doctor Fu Manchu? This would have been sellers first. Attempt at playing inspector clue so without the guiding hand of Blake Edwards words as a writer or director sellers had originally wanted to direct himself but the studio instead selected Sydney podium to helm the film podium. Would it ended up eventually leaving the project because there were delays with the script and that brought in Clive Donner who director Peter sellars. What's new PUSSYCAT Donner would end up getting attached? At one point now one person who is not going to be the director and you'll notice is Blake Edwards reportedly Peter sellars and Blake Edwards constantly. But it has. They ended up having a falling out that made sellers vow and supposedly. He vowed many times before this that he would never work with him again. That sometimes gets overstated. Sellers did do a cameo appearance in Edwards Nineteen seventy-nine comedy called Tan. Although I did not end up making the final cut so he wasn't actually in the movie in the end now sellers promise that his movie would expose deeper sides to clue so than just being this slapstick buffoon he would react to who this woman. A jewel thief no less. Who would end up falling deeply in love with him and he being the man who sought to apprehend her made for quite a conflict? Now Aclu so would have no knowledge that the woman he was seeing and the world renowned cat burglar he was chasing. He did not know they were one of the same at least until you get toward the end. Pamela Stevenson was slotted to play that role at some point. The intended conclusion of the film would have the novelty of seeing clue so choose love over duty. He would retire from smoothing and Mary into her life of crime literally. Maybe it's not a coincidence but Blake Edwards would end up doing that with the character of clue lucile in his next film. After trail of the Pink Panther called curse of the Pink Panther which I will talk about in the next episode it would be a lucrative deal for sellers it was a guaranteed three three million dollars in ten percent of the grows as part of the contract however heart failure would assure that romance of the Pink Panther would never get made unfortunately nevertheless less sellers would indeed appear in one more film in the series and it will be directed by Blake Edwards. Of course I'll be without sellers consent. Sent in trail of the Pink Panther. And What an interesting film. This is now Blake Edwards. He had directed sellers clue so in all of his previous films. I films not counting inspector clue which I think had Alan Arkin it. Edwards was approached about continuing the series. In cellars absence several months after his death breath. Although it would have to wait had already moved onto Victor Victoria as his next film. Mgm Who had just purchased the financially troubled united artists after their heaven's gate debacle. They WANNA Dudley Moore to take over the clue so role and to continue on this series even thought he could complete the romance of the Pink Panther. Her which Dudley Moore said he would do only if Blake Edwards was the director having had a great relationship working with him in ten just the year before. Now Dudley Moore claimed he only wanted to play clue so once and he wanted to give the character a proper ending however united artists wanted him to continue on beyond that to enter into a four picture. Deal deal so the fit between them. Just was not there Dudley. Moore had already been in talks with Blake Edwards on an intended spike comedy. Spin off from the Pink Panther series called the Ferret Barrett before Edwards decided to use deadly more as a last minute replacement to take the lead role intent so they had a working relationship although it seemed to be conditional personalized to whatever Edwards had coming down the pipe now even so Blake Edwards felt that only Peter Sellers could ever really be clue so and he decided against I using Dudley Moore as clue although if you watch this film it should be noted here that Edwards does use different actors to play clue in this very film home at various ages. And that's not counting the use of a body double to complete some scenes as clue so now Edwards felt that there should be a new detective with a new actor instead to continue the series. And that lost the interest of Dudley Moore. WHO REALLY DIDN'T WANNA get typecast into a recurring role? He really just wanted to be one and done effectively. Actively the romance of the Pink Panther was not going to be used Edwards had already tried to make a similar film anyway with rough cut before he was fired from it in the late seventies nevertheless mgm was keen on getting some returns for united artists most lucrative franchise at that time and so they pressured Edwards to continue the series series somehow Edwards remembered that there was plenty of unused footage from previous pink panther films that he could use to almost to make another movie out of them in in one thousand. Nine hundred people did not have VCR so they probably weren't going to mind so much watching clips they haven't seen in some time or within the context of another film. You know this was was an era where people didn't have DVD players. Obviously this is long before that to see deleted scenes so they would not have seen many of the outtakes and they may not have seen the other pink panther films sometime either or remember them and he could use the details of this movie to springboard his pink Panther series into a different bumbling detective that we would follow that that would be kicked off with curse of the Pink Panther which Edwards made simultaneously in order to save costs. The finished plot of trail of the pink panther ends up involving having the theft of the infamous and Priceless Pink Panther. Diamond from the fictional country of Lou Gash and chief inspector clue at the request of the president of Lou. Gash Dash is brought in yet again to investigate. Its whereabouts against the wishes of course of commissioner Dreyfuss who knows clue is the world's most most bumbling detective in the course of the globe-hopping investigation a plane carrying inclusive ends up going down into the ocean where it is presumed. He may have finally met his fate in an echo to citizen Kane. A television reporter is called forth to talk to those who knew clue so well from co workers to those. He helped put away as well as those who knew of his activities prior to joining the please from his childhood upbringing to becoming a resistance fighter for France in World War Two. So if you want to call that a plot I guess it's a plot of sorts. It's kind of a fragmented plot at the very best about a third of the run. Time of trail of the Pink Panther consists Of about eight scenes that were excised and outtake footage from four of the prior films. Almost all of the outtakes come from nineteen seventy six's the pink panther anther strikes again. Reportedly there are other outtakes and other films but they did not want to pay to secure the rights from outtakes like nineteen seventy. Five's return of the Pink Panther lose rights were owned by one of the producers of that film or Lew grade of it entertainment after enough footage and a concocted plot where put together to establish that clue so oh has gone missing there. Is this second half narrative that is constructed surrounding a famous television reporter named Burris. You've played by Joanna Lumley who Who interviews friends and foes of clue to get the scoop on whether they feel he might still be alive since they knew him best they might provide some insight? I suppose and this allows them to complete the film with a lot of flashbacks to scenes from prior films knee. Lissa safe war fans of the series. The enjoyment does dip when Peter sellars is off the screen and since it's he's primarily absent during the second half with the exception of some clips that most people have seen before. It's only a halfway enjoyable movie in that regard. Now the new scenes for the trail of the Pink Panther were written by Blake Edwards and his son Geoffrey. They had already been busy working on a new pink panther film with a different bumbling detective to continue the series series. In cellars absence. That would be called curse of the Pink Panther and was released into theaters in one thousand nine hundred eighty three about eight months after trail. Both trail and curse were being worked on simultaneously. As I mentioned earlier. They could use many of the same sets the same props to seem costumes and the same actors and that would represent east significant cost saving for both films reportedly made on a combined budget of about seventeen million dollars. Roughly six million dollars of that went to trail L. and the remaining eleven million dollars went to curse. Now longtime fans of the series have noted that trail of the pink panther contains several plot points that are not in keeping with the events events of the prior films. Especially when you consider that they retained Herbert Lom Dreyfuss character as commissioner despite having destroyed the UN building and his attempts to ruin ruin England in the Pink Panther Strikes Again Clue also meets Alec Drummond in this film although they had already met when that character appeared in strikes again which is why the use of deleted lead to scenes really does not work very well. There are a number of other inconsistencies. I could mention but Edwards was making the film. Hurry not to mention being involved in the concurrent right film in that franchise so he felt that few in the audience would likely remember or even care if they did given the nature of this film and the novelty of how it got put together. Either one thing that's frustrating. Is that two things that the plot hinges on for trail of the Pink Panther one is the recovery of the Pink Panther Jewel and the other is the ultimate fate feet of where clue so is they are not satisfactorily. Dealt with by the end of the film instead it points to having to complete the saga in another upcoming film curse of the Pink Panther as a possibility to help resolve. What's incomplete now? People did not want to sign on for having to watch two movies just to find out what happens. Clue doesn't even come close to solving the mystery of the missing jewel in this film and the reporter doesn't come close herself to solving the mystery of the missing clue cell like citizen Kane again. The final shot shot does end up revealing to us in the audience. The key to the mystery of clue so whether he's alive or dead you do find out at the very end. Although it's not particularly revelatory of any deeper thematic truth of perhaps to suggest that clue will always be alive so long as we have his movies to enjoy the clip show at the very end during the in credits would suggest that that's really what the theme of this movie is if it has a theme at all unfortunately this does relegate this movie as a pretty pointless exercise in regurgitation tation for viewers who want to follow the story beyond just reminiscing about the series and sellers many funny performances within it. Now the real mystery on the minds of most viewers years however is not whether clue so continues to exist but rather if clue so actually can continue exist beyond the death of its iconic character to portray him Blake Blake Edwards seeks to state here Lee seemingly that the character indeed can outlived the man that portrays him the fans want him to you and he has come up with this scheme by which the character can have a life beyond death if you follow the two films that he produced in the nineteen eighties. There is some new material here. You know you have the animated made it opening sequence. That's new the excised outtakes. I guess you could consider them nuisance. Most people had not seen them before. And there are scenes involving clue. So's father played by Richard Mulligan. This whole sequence there toward the end of the film accompanied by flashbacks. Jacques Cousteau's youth. Those are all new to the series. The television report is investigation. Asian is also knew it ties up all of these vignettes but it does raise more questions as to the intent because the report does not appear to actually be looking for what happened and to the physical plane or searching anywhere in the vicinity of wherever clue so may actually have been last seen. She seems to resolve that the way to understand whether it Klew so so is still alive or not is interviews with his associates. Even this angle does make little sense as you can imagine. She refused no one who had actually really no clue for. We're about two decades maybe except Dreyfuss who despises Guzzo and Kato who seems to only have a relationship with him to attack him in. Sharpen his martial arts skills. So they're not not really that close this far as friends. It's depressing to think if you want to delve deeper into that. That clue so really had no one at all to speak for him that truly cared about him. None of them know anything about his disappearance. So the offer new clues there and that makes this angle all a bust other than as an excuse to fill up the run time with clips fans. I have seen before or out takes. That really. Don't have a lot of context for this film then again. What better way to celebrate the most incompetent sleuth who everyone thinks is the genius then by having the world's seemingly least competent investigative reporter trying to track him down actor David Neva's brought in here he? They rented out a huge villa villa near his home on the French Riviera to shoot a scene for the film but never was noticeably. Suffering from conditions brought on by a L S AKA Lou GEHRIG's disease by this point. He really didn't want to be there but he had a loyalty to Blake Edwards so he gave consent to appear in the film. Unfortunately by this point in his illness nevins voice was weak and therefore could not really be used without requiring some over dubs which is very common in films even for people who are not suffering from a weak voice but even was just ailing too badly to be asked to come back after that point comedian and celebrity impersonator rich little was brought in to mimic. Nathan's voice for his post. Production recordings rich little ended up listening for many days on end leading up to his performance his vocal performance here to books on tape in order to practice the right pitch and the right cadence necessary. Little is no stranger to doing David nevins impression. He did it as part of his act also he had mimicked nevins voice for the only occasions that the Pink Panther the cartoon character of the Pink Panther had actually talked a couple of animated shorts from nineteen sixty five. Those are called sink. Pink and pink ice little did the voice of Pink Panther given so kind of a novelty there. The dubbing ended up being done in secret secret for trail of the Pink Panther Niven was not even told he was going to be overdubbed and when he did find out about it. Reportedly he was rather depressed. That someone else's voice had to used rich little's involvement would eventually be revealed after David's death on July twenty ninth nineteen eighty-three that was shortly before the release of curse of the Pink Panther so he ultimately did get some credit and some notoriety there beyond this. The incorporation of the old material is problematic as presented because they are meant to be memories but our are piece together as fictional films. Nevertheless David Niven says at one point to my dying day. I'll never forget the old man trying to cross the street and that flashes back to a scene from nineteen nineteen sixty. Three's the Pink Panther. The original film in which David Evans character is barely even participant. So how does he remember to his dying day. This moment as if the blending of Niven even the actor in his own character has somehow become a single entity for the scene not only playing his fictional character but also one with Meta knowledge a knows he is part of this series of movies but the fact remains while this is a scene put in to help us remember our fondness of the past pink panther films it does tell us nothing about clue so himself and sellers is not really in that scene and it doesn't really push the story forward because the scene really doesn't have anything to do with any of the rest of the film. It is like so much of trail. The Pink Panther more about Blake Edwards feelings about is pink panther films than anything else. So it's a fan film made by a fan of his own work and we're just watching. The trail of the pink. Panther is still filled with good character actors. Although the actual casting choices are a little bit suspect Robert Loggia plays sort of a kingpin of the French underworld named Bruno Lang Wa but with his rough New York accent that suggests he's probably spent little to no time at all in France. Despite Ping the kingpin of their underworld world further adding to the confusion for people who watch this film Loggia had already appeared in prior entry in the series. In fact the previous one revenge of the pink panther playing a different mafioso so character named Almar CIONI and he did it in a way that's nearly identical in performance to the Bruno character here now responding to criticisms curse of the Pink Panther the following film does reportedly reveal that they are in fact the same character so guess convenient their deeds crosby's in this film the granddaughter of Bing Crosby the most people know her today as Tasha Yar from Star Trek the next generation. She plays Bruno's mall but fans should note here that there's really little little for her to do. She had been cast primarily because she was on the road to becoming Blake Edwards daughter-in-law at the time she was engaged to Blake's son. Jeffrey who co wrote the film so as you can probably tell from the tone of this retrospective look at the film. I'm not a huge fan of it. Although I am a fan of the series I did like seeing a lot of the outtakes that I had not seen before and it is remarkable to see. Just how funny talented that. Peter sellars actually is so from that point since I had not seen the pink panther film in a while I was entertained by the film in parts. At least the parts where Peter sellars was on the screen the rest of it was kind of a wash. It is really not a good way to make a movie movie at best I will say it's a bittersweet experience. It is disjointed. And it's not nearly as enjoyable on its own. As any of the prior entries in the franchise but there there is that a reminder of the genus Peter Sellers to sell it so most who are not huge fans of the series will probably choose to ignore it but it is a film primarily made aid for the fans after all so indeed as captured by the cameras and put together by Blake Edwards. We in the audience. Those who've gotten to no clue so through these movies movies as well as our observances Peter sellars portrayal of him. He can indeed never die. He exists in perpetuity through our collective have replays of their greatest cases on film. So if you look at it from a medical standpoint the fact that there are clips here and this is about whether clue so oh can ever die really the suggestion that Koussa will always be alive through. His films is kind of a touching one in that respect. If you really WanNa read into it that much coach so this is a movie that I don't quite hate. I don't think it's a bad film or it's bad attempt at trying to make a film like this. I think that the use of clips of films we've seen before really does date the film because in this day and age we have all of these films very accessible at a moment's notice we can stream them almost anytime from a variety of different places in a lot of people who are really big fans already have these films in their collection. They probably watch them multiple times so having to watch this film other than the fact that there are some outtakes in it and there's some nostalgia and Trivia to be had I think it ends up making for the most expendable of the Peter sellars Pink Panther films so the Best I can really give it two stars out of four stars on my scale means it. It's lacking something vital that we keep it from being a film. I can recommend to most people in that thing that is lacking is. That's sense sense of freshness that plot that's easy to follow and the fact that it really doesn't make sense if you want to pick it apart from a plot standpoint if you've seen the prior films and it doesn't even make sense and within the context of its own film it does relegated to being a failure so it's really for complete. It's only if you're a huge fan of the series. Obviously you're gonNA give this go. You may find some enjoyment in it but I think for most people who are not already avowed fans by this point in the series. It's a movie you probably never really need to watch except apt to complete it so two stars is the best I can give trail of the Pink Panther. Obviously I already mentioned. I read eluded to earlier that the next film. I'm going to be talking about on this show is it's follow up called curse of the Pink Panther. It's very much a companion piece of this because it ties up a lot of loose ends from this film including what happens to coup so what happens to the jewel the pink panther it all gets tied up in that film and it does spin off into different character. And I'll be talking about. All of those has details next week and other fascinating look at a movie that was kind of a botched job in itself. So Krista the Pink Panther from Nineteen eighty-three on next week's episode. Thanks everyone listening. I hope that you enjoy this review. If you have your own thoughts on this portion of the Pink Panther series you want to impart you can find my contact information on my website least twitter feed facebook page and instagram are all found there as well go to quip. Stir Dot Net Q.. WIP S. T. E. R. Dot net for all of the details. And until next time. Thank you so much for joining me on this trip around the world in eighties movies.

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121 - Sour Patch Kids Chips Ahoy, New Fudge Stripes, and Maybe Pudding

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121 - Sour Patch Kids Chips Ahoy, New Fudge Stripes, and Maybe Pudding

"This is just focused. I'm your host Amy's APEC. I'm here with Brian Pearce. Hello everyone and Danny sussman readings. Everybody Happy Mother's Day before after or during depending on how you when you're watching this since this comes out the day after Mother's Day But it's on Youtube before your everywhere still zooming around with zoom. So it doesn't matter the day of the week you watch it on youtube extra or listen on the podcast APP. You will still find us there too right but for you. It's in the past. Yes so with. That said we have our normal segments of news and experiences. Then we're going to have some new chips. Ahoy cookies we talked about at least once maybe a couple of times. We might not have mentioned them. They were newsletter yeah. I've been trying to forget that they exist. Now we have new fudge strip cookies from keebler. Those irs seem less scary. Yeah though should be good. And we have some desserts from Hong Kong where you just add water. We're GONNA have shared experience amongst the three of US started off edit. That'll be a surprise. But the Hong Kong desserts. You might want to stick around for Ya. I mean if you're into black sesame desserts and black bean and peanut and walnut desserts or you for Brian. We did get the peanut butter one peanut. Oh sorry yeah I know like Pena but not gonna be peanut butter. I my heart is prepared to be disappointed. It looks like peanut butter. Peanut butter very strange. For maybe it's baby food peanut butter but we don't get babies team that's do we need actual so with that? Said we should probably move onto news. We were not going to speculate about baby food. That's not for US different. Podcast yes he has. It might be Brian facetime limiting the jet. Say but you gotta wait for that to go for it. Remember we have a new flavors of planters? Cheese balls you had the white Cheddar and we have the NACHO cheese. Those are back and they're adding two more flavors to the cheese ball line. Yeah and I'm looking forward to having on the podcast. They are blazing hot blazing hot. Okay blazing hot cheese balls. That actually seems like if you have blazing hot balls like don't go there that's nugget. The other ones is really not much better for Brian. Other be jalapeno balls jalapeno cheese balls. They're coming they're apparently coming to Walmart first and then spreading out across the world after that. I mean call me old fashioned ioana balls to be a flame I The good is not just Flaming because I believe lays has that one. That's why they're not flaming hot. 'cause that would be cheetos. These are blazing hot. Because they're copying their play. It's an old age. I'm sure that's how they pitched it a very great laws. The fire for other copyright reasons. Ya So yeah. They're gonNA have blazin balls. Are you looking forward to the Maimi? I at least the Jalapeno Brian. Nope not even not still bears and Kranj probably better than wonder if France would sued the flame from the Blazin balls. I think it probably would. So if you dipped your blazing balls in Kranj. Is that like making the problem worse? Or is that addressing the issue? I will not get my balls in it and but I mean if you've already got krantz does it make a difference that making a better or worse you have Kranj. The laws will probably improve the KRANJ. When you're suffering in something else bad happens. Is it really that much worse? I don't know what other news do. We have yeah. I don't have any so somebody else. Just marginally better maybe is there is a new kind of popcorn coming out from the makers of Boom Shaka pop That I only need to us but boom a pop. They make a good popcorn. They have good flavors. They're coming out with Rosie flavored popcorn yet. It just seems I don't know I mean. I like chicken pop but like Rosa. I like some rose but not not my favorite. What is your favorite? My favorite wine is usually a red Zinn. It's dark red wine. You like ribs in popcorn. I don't know better worse than Rosa Popcorn. That's true now. They they mate Margarita flavored things about pop crank. You'd like to definitely have jelly beans but Margarita is basically just lime and weirdness yet lime in Tart in orange. What what will rose popcorn tastes like but I have a feeling. We're GONNA find out we probably will. It was seen wandering down not the reds infidelity tastes like the other one. I mean I feel like it will be in the bottom ten top ten or whatever how many boom kick pops of you had you can not have A. We've had their awful. Oh yeah a lot of flavors though. Oh Yeah No. This will probably be one of the worst of bears. Yeah make no mistake. I'm just trying to think of how that comes about that. You're in a staff meeting and someone's like you should flavor the popcorn wine. Maybe someone else's like yeah right. We Howard developers just wanted a reason to drink wine at work amidst them. Maybe they were going for a water flavored one and Jesus showed up. I don't know that could be. That's that's it. You're right Brian. Let's move on was any more news. No Amy had no news news. I have no experiences. It's all on you guys for the first. You said okay. I have a horrible experience. Not good but it takes a turn. Ono doesn't above dairy queen. Yes Oh no Your Dairy Queen Daniel. You went to my dairy queen. I went yes the the day that I stopped by to pick up stuff. I met someone there. You met someone for Derek Clean. It wasn't me even though you adjust your meeting like I'm busy. You got what you deserved. He socially distanced from him further than he needed to. It doesn't matter Been there went dairy queen and it was what new little afternoon they were out of ice cream. You know what I was there. They were one of the last time. I was there They were so busy that they couldn't keep the ice cream cold going through. It's so fast. But what are they have a microwave? Eight which widen you go first thing in the morning. Then what did you have hunger out? You didn't have the have the new non Gary Daily Bar Yet. They only hit dilly bars. And now I'm curious about the non dairy Dilawar I didn't know is non dairy but that wouldn't have been selling factor. Well there is a the regular daily bar still exists. But there's a new non dairy billy where you could get both and see if you can tell difference. I feel like I probably couldn't. I feel like that's a good thing to have you figure out for me. Think I'll make amy do it odd? That will make you trust my opinion on these things. I said that I trust your opinion on insists that way. I don't have to do it. Brian doesn't have to do if we're going to have someone take it for the team. It should be the host Date I had another experience if you have any. I smoked the Turkey today. He did it might put his mouth to no not like not like smelly cigar. No not like a cigar bike. I was like Oh you know what what before I go to work? Just odd might commute using to Turkey before work. Well it's smoked for like eight hours okay. So he started. Yeah Yeah and then when I was done at work type back outside and I brought the Turkey in and I had to made some gravy with the drippings and right now it's turning into Turkey stock in my kitchen. My Studio my home studio has kitchen. He didn't opera. He didn't put any on the porch. Frus just got done. If you want you can have some Turkey stock okay. So I'm sorry. Was there more to know that was that wasn't even something lives less so I had to go to Walmart again to buy things for the show and normally whatever like okay. Smell like weed still. I went to a different one. It smelt more like it. Yeah I you know. I'm so proud of the workers there though they all had their masks on. Most of the people are like wolves just running around all groups. Snap like yeah whatever But yeah like we talked about things. People people should understand. We really really need your help for suggestions for what you want to do. Because we can't just go around shopping these days looking in browsing like the Guy. They seriously have so much more free time. Because I'm not doing places to look for things like this torture you with. Yeah yeah so like if you have anything please let us know. And we'll we'll look for it but yeah we knew what was out Walmart and what we were looking for us. Thanks for this week's thanks for future weeks. I also saw something that I didn't really think would fit for the show but I haven't seen it before. There is a lay's stax Bacon and Cheddar potato scab. Some meat flavored potato chip there. It's also the same thing as cato skins sure makes the same I in desperate times and also and I. Would you have a potato skin flavored potato? That's weird you know he can. You can like I WANNA potato skin. I I suppose me in these troubled times when it's so hard to get a potato skate if you really want one year like if only there was a thing that's like potato chip but not quite a potato chip that tasted like potato skin but not quite like potato so not quite and laze was like. I got you boo I'm just GonNa say I open these this afternoon and And they'll go on. Doll are thought you say you. You got an package. This is not for the podcast. He just eats A. There's a hole in the CAM. Oh that must be the the whole goes right in mountains like my vodka glass but yeah tater skins ones I love and these same thing so if you'll like that flavor I mean what's not Bacon Cheddar. Thanks for Sharing Brian. Yeah that wasn't going to happen. I'll see you a dairy clean. I shared this sour patch. Kids chips Ahoy. We have a question bow. We experience here. Yeah it's a question that I I never really wondered about until I saw it on the packaging. Are they still twizzlers? If they don't have any twists is learn that's is lers limited time only twizzlers without the twist which I believe is not what red vines are like. Is this just like is this like a limited edition shot at Web Lines Red Vines? Rather I gotta be honest. I don't think I've ever had red vines advise. I don't think there might be twisted too. But yeah so they have these new not twisted twizzlers. I mean we could twist them but it's not the same and you can eat them and you know what when you eat them. They basically are the same. They are the same but they do lose texture different melt steal their sleep apnea for tweezers two red vines in general. But I'll eat both of you know what though is choking hazard because it's so smooth if you like you suck on it like right down the hatch where the the ribs in the twitter are free protection and yeah they're still Hollick twizere. Is Everything twizere? But no twist. I mean this is. I'm GONNA say liquorice. Red Licorice at least does not have a strong labor so I kind of miss having texture because I kind of like a lot going on in my mouth I bet you do. So you know I I would pick regular as opposed to. I did a horrible job opening needs. I opened them the way Danny would. Yeah you're absolutely right like looking back when we did the pickup. I got my pack or whatever and I'm like I'm Dan. You gave me a whole packer. She's like yeah. I didn't want while they're on a sort that out. So we all got a whole Packard. Sleep that you know. They stick to each other when he tried to pull them. Apart plus honestly I already had a package I had opened and I was like you know what we should do this on the podcast rather than send you guys olds twizzlers as we get one like just get they smell. You opened the package. It smells great but it feels like it's missing something. Yeah I mean. I liked them. I love to his worst. Like I never buy twizzlers but I always enjoy them. Unlike someone leaves them out for the filming twizzlers to the little bitter news. You know what I like the like really skinny like the red the row points. They're not twist Ram like unstreamed off the Ryan looking like I'm from another planet. Keep talking I don't like I'm thinking like the candy on it like you know like it's like the red liquorice strings. Were you get like it would look like a core strings wrapped around each other like a rope? Yeah you're a little bit of softer and then you pull one off and you have one menu Pala Africa. Yup Yup Yup with I was like those It looks like a sweet sharp rope or nourishment. Without the candy on them Yam assessment we in a second Mike in the chat drinking sprite or seven up through a twitter. Like it's a straw. I was thinking Coca Cola myself but yeah let you thing. You've done that. You haven't never occurred to me. I think. Even I've done that I'm going to be fancy with your whole. There is some San Pellegrino some fancy Straw it's clogged. Of course it is just my buying explode. That's right maybe another time that. Be My food experience running out of things to talk about. Shall we move onto the cookie patch with the Sour Hatch? Yeah otherwise. I'll just send your trying apprentice smaller. Not well okay. Their chips Ahoy with our patch in them but they're also get woke like chips but not chocolate as officially rex chips Ahoy with Sour Patch kids and it definitely looks like they've taken the sour patch kids and just round them up in an active sour kid murder and blended them into the chips cookie. It somehow it smells like like tricks or kick cereal. I can't quit and not excited about this. All Right No. It's not. Get the big piece in a really soft melt on your tongue. This is like fruity pebbles. Threw up on NYC cookie and I ate it so I gave one of these to my niece. Who is twenty years old? So not a Kid. We were able to grow up together. It's nice when a uncle niece can grow up together But she said I said. Don't give me too much but what do you think? And she's like I've never had anything that tasted so bad by didn't WANNA spit it out and I kinda get that I'm trying to attack them lately. Family podcast but isn't awful. It's not it's not bad. A computer panels like sour fruity. Pebbles Sour fruity pebbles. The problem is is that like the Little Sour Patch Nuggets. Get stuck in your teeth. If if these were in front of me is these are would keep eating them will buy them. But if somehow labored fernie somewhere I would rather make rice. Crispy treats and use fruity pebbles. Instead of rice krispies. I would get a similar but much better flavor now I think the sour patch pieces in a rice krispy treat could work. Yeah I bet if you did like rice krispies and fruity pebbles and mix them together made that a rice krispy treat but now with fruit. Pebbles mixed him. I know you're crossing brands but that would be good. That's what this should be. Guess what we have more cookies. We do more cookies. Yeah the other ones should be better. These Newton Fudge Stripe. We have the strawberry shortcake. Either all special batch they don't call them limited edition they call them special batch also including amyloid from ells on the side of the package a hot fudge Sundae So I have a strawberry sure now. These smell like strawberry quick. I'm expecting a fake strawberry taste. So yeah when you think of Strawberry shortcake do you think of strawberry quick the cartoon character or Angel Food Cake and real strawberries. I think like Angel Food Cake and strawberries. I don't think this is going to be that or like strawberry Jello Biscuits with strawberries in cream or pound cake with strawberries and cream. But it doesn't even quite smell it quick. They still call these fudge strikes. Yes there's no fudge in them. No there's not much stronger either. I mean it's very fake strawberry in. It's definitely strawberry. Quik dumped in milk. I don't like it but it's fruit and dessert. It's nice to have a healthy option. That's true but but if my strawberries realis- color I'd be worried about my strawberries. I can like fake strawberry flavoring. But this doesn't even really have much flavor to me now. Fake peach big pages where to go all right now. I'm really curious about the hat. Fudge sundae cookies. Because how are they getting hot? Fudge Sundae conference. Sunday's hang if you just misled stripe. What why would you ask reflecting night in areas? Those I don't like Hot Fudge Sundaes. How like how Fudge Sundaes? Because I thought about this I was really processing into my head of like you know what? I don't think how much Sundays that good because if I wanted chocolate ice cream I would just get chocolate ice cream. I would much rather end. The hot fudge is almost always so hot it melts my ice cream. Were becomes a gloppy mess. He needed to not some of the ice cream so they live with them. I just end up with chocolate ice cream. I would rather have peanut butter sauce or marshmallow sauce or Caramel or something else that I can't just get as an ice cream flavor. Better ways to do the Hot Fudge. Sundaes you take the big tall Sunday. Glass input the hot fudge on the side of them. Put The a scream Yeah but then you're still getting boundaries having chocolate ICE CREAM. No no see for me. And then you're fudges in hot at the buffet when you can get the other add ins like the oriole pieces or Eminem's whatever that's that's where it really comes. But then it's not a hot fudge sundae anymore like an orioles. It's not really about the hot fudge and I would argue. You'd be better off with marshmallow topping all of those things you know. It came up in my time hop. We're just gonNA reminisce for his firmness shirt. Take a year you talk when we were at the buffet and there was. They had a huge muffins and I ate out the middle. I made a Sunday out of the MUFFIN Yes e. that was so good. Okay we can move on now. These things are not just regular rates because they have sprinkles just barely hidden inside the cookie. I was just fighting into those. It's more of cocoa. We fight flavor coke chocolate flavor than the traditional strike. I was just thinking. I don't WanNA sponge. Strike should taste like to note. This is different. Hide Stripe tastes like chocolate than like tastes like hot fudge. I don't think the sprinkles can make it a Sunday. There should be a cherry on top with prem- I like Rainbow Sprinkles on my Sunday. But what are the sprinkles adding to the cookie texture? No the crunch different than the cookie. Do they maybe? I'm just an animal in. I did want have a dentist. Tell me I have a strong mouth. So maybe I'm dislike chewing so hard that I'm just authorizing the sprinkles before I can detect their texture. Are you sure like big mouths and English was their second language? I mean this is a fine cookie. I would definitely eat the whole package of old Yeah these are pretty good. Let's combine. Oh you're making a strawberry Sunday. Having the two together brought out the shrubbery flavor. More Lindy a chips. Ahoy in with them No. I approve the mix. Yeah no that's actually solid am just reading. The tanker at Dairy Queen. Replace THE MIDDLE. Fudge section of Peanut Buster Parfait was caramel. Good always replace the hot fudge your lesson from this war with peanut butter if you will. Yeah that would be better to. Everything's better than had punch now. We have yet to eat you. Know what's better than Hot Fudge? I suspect Duran will that for sure. But these instant desserts we have three flavors as amy is showing the camera. If you hold it up and read it we have the instant peanut desert so these are powder disease powders that we added hot water to and stirred there is walnut which is actually black. Bean pine nuts and walnuts in when I'm personally looking forward to the most which is a black sesame paste and we have to say. There is inconsistent Canisters DESCRIBE IT Consistent sums it did say it kind of made it sound like on the packaging should eat this hot. I don't know that it's GonNa make a difference. I peanut one. It's pure liquid for those that are watching those that are listening. Sorry it's purely minus. My peanut is is thick. Aw my keynote is water. Certain sideways my black beam and pine nuts walnut liquidity. You can live down the support of and my black sesame is basically sludge are these from. Hongkong were manufactured in Hong Kong. We got them at one of our local Asian markets were other flavors but Brian lives with me. When we block these and we decided if we got three these would be fun to play our game with and so are the peanut butter peanut peanuts. It's written powered team. Peanut peanut paste powder that the passive says I feel like I have porridge here. Tastes like ground peanuts in water right. It tastes like really bad. Elementary school cafeteria peanut butter. It tastes like peanut sauce for your Sunday but like when you went to the Super Cheap. Buffet watered down all the sauces. Who LIKE PEANUTS WATER? That's okay are you still there Brian? Yeah I was moving the best. I don't think it's not true bad. I mean like it's Kinda sweet. I is reminiscent of peanut butter. This is a thumbs sideways from me. Yeah I mean I. It's a thumb slightly up maybe hot I don't underst- I don't think I would crave it. This is as much as you get from me. Not Getting the full out. Black Bean peanut in Walnut. It doesn't really snuggles to Walnut. It's a little bit thicker than the peanut much. Okay should we go to the Walnut next is not? I'm in. I'm in Walnut. No let's no. I don't like it. This would be better hotter like it as a thick walnut soup but I'm also a glutton for punishment moving them the peanut walnut far away from your. I don't like it's Has Little bits of nuts and beans in stuff. I can't he would also be better hotter the texture of mashed potatoes but my mind is not quite that very runny mashed potatoes as not helping. I am just thinking of this time when I'm an old man and I have no teeth. I can't can't eat my beloved nuts. This is the only way I can consume walnuts and peanuts and it gives me hope for that time. I think we need to go for the stuff. That doesn't come off the spoon. Oh this one's scares me. The most black sesame knows like sesame mine doesn't even do that all other whoops. There apprentice came up spoon. Okay that was better mice thicker but it looks like you know something to eat much like a spicy Mexican food now. I'm not going there. I'm just saying it looks like the black beans. I'm just trying to understand this. I love black sesame stops. This is the kind of like confusing my brain. Yeah this is not expected especially after the other two especially since it can. Oh the spoon upside down and it doesn't come out in me. You are missing some Brian Face. I think Brian might pick the KRANJ. No no okay. So when you're eating a sesame seed bun it kind of tastes a little bit like the sesame flavor and you're like okay like I get a hint that that's enough you don't want the whole thing to taste like the sesame see now would be good on something one of my favorite. Yes I actually amy. Those was of going down this road a little bit. One of my favorite things in a Chinese restaurant is there sesame noodles or cold sesame noodles which is basically like a coal room temperature noodle in like a peanut butter sesame paste. This is a lot like that. I actually bet if you added a little bit of Saracho to this it would be magical gets sweetness out of the sesame. Yeah if it's a little sweet little savory it's Heat I mean when we play. Fm K. I don't know that I could. I don't think it's my forever instant to desert like us. We have a happy ending. No no no happy ending. We're staying like this can. Could we had some Japanese kid catchword thinking about maybe taste tasting? But I don't think they're gonna be that much better or we can say. Let me get just a little more solid here. I'm having more cookie. Put this okay. So we had the what we had the sesame peanuts the walnut in entertainment saucy sauces. We're GONNA marry one in frolic with one. Yeah and and you do have to murder one. You should not be comfortable with the idea of murder Brian. I'm getting more comfortable every week. I know it's kind of scary. I mean at some level. I'm kind of happy that you won't go with Dairy Queen. Because I wouldn't by end up in a freezer he's got to make sure I don't go with three people because then then I mean as long as like. I'm the cutest okay. Who Have I gotta take notes know who you hang out with I have no idea on this one folks really because I'm listed never takes me long. You could while we do this Brian. You Mix all these together I'm going to frolic with the peanut powder Like peanuts in this tastes about like peanuts. It just tastes like a bad form of peanuts so I could you know. Try once in move on. I'm going to marry the black sesame it's actually the sweetest and even though it's the easiest you know that means it's got some stay in power it sticks around which means killing the on because I hated the walnut anyway in the Wallet Killed Longtime Ago. left being in China in those are all individually legumes. I like but not in this form. We're getting don't do it in the I that may be missing all of them together. Then he did you are you. Are you stuck in to the strong? I'm trying to make a straw for my ass. You're trying to get to puddings the desserts Twizzlers I drink water too fast for that really to be effective but I have now tried the straw. Are you ready barring meeting? I think I can go okay so I have to marry the peanut not. We don't have to. It's not it's not a shotgun winning situation you in the peanut didn't do something that's going to create bike. There's a little like a baby peanut. Oh Heavens no no we're is save it till marriage and even then yeah because it reminds me of my love peanut butter. It's kind of like you know when you see someone who is like advanced in age and you see a picture of them when they were younger. You're like oh I can really see like you know the Byu you have now but also in your youth will this one. I'm just GonNa try and imagine this peanut in its user. Maybe to someone else altogether along but yeah you know it. It's reminiscent of something that I do care about because I have too. Yup that's reminiscent. GonNa come up at nine to not the exact same way though. I you know what I'm going to have to frolic with the wallet because it had that little in. Ira's I like a lot going on my mouth so that one at least handle the different textures. That had not gone on and by always said you mean since the start of this episode. Yes it's like ten minutes ago. Okay Yeah Yeah Yeah so I I'll frolic. I'll follow liquids nut off with that Wallet One. It's going to be instant regret. I might not even make it through. It might just be like a quick hand holding them like you have cooties. It's GonNa be a quick nut. It's a very quick now. The quickest yeah and then I'm GonNa kill the sesame seed because closed `same then just of them. It does look like something that is dead and rotting. Yes and something that you would find growing in your toilet. It looks like the tar pit that killed Tasha Yar on Star Trek the next generation spoilers. Okay right so that's thirty years old. I don't care I I was just GonNa Watch that one season one anyway. So it doesn't matter the tar pit that got the Sabertooth Tigers spoiler alert. Okay I am going to kill the walnut. Is the one that reminded me the most of my old age of like dogs like? Oh when I'm old and I want walnuts. It's basically like already dead like imagine when you're dead and you're craving nuts. This is what they feed you. I don't know if ghosts do there. You don't know that they don't you know what I don't. Maybe that's why some of them are in a bad mood because they can't get nuts now where you're like you know what I could go for a walnut. They see the nutcracker yet here you got Angry else you talk about reminiscing rank and you ever like you're with somebody and they break your heart and you long for them omen. Somebody else comes along. Who like kind of reminds you of that person who really wanted? And you're like I bet if I squint hard enough and have sex with you that it'll be like the person who I loved ever happened to you. I don't think most people are that like self aware but yet neither am is never happened but imagine a thing that could happen at imagine. It's a thing that could happen. And that's how I feel about Lack sesame and my beloved sesame noodles if my sesame noodles left me forever and I was really really missing them and I saw this I would be like. Oh you remind me so much of sesame mills for this moment is GonNa feel really special. But then you're disgusting. Get begun and that will be my frolic. That's why I'm frolicking with the sesame and My sister's in chance that his team I said very clearly that it never happened to me. I was imagining. I was wondering if maybe it had happened to them. He was talking about amy just lead. Ver- family can say that absent. The love in the NEAR LOVES IN THE REMIT REMINISCENT EVERY WEEK. She saying about transferring feelings from one person to yeah just project like this is sideways. You look like people. I love laid sideways. We look dead anyway. You just talk about giving us the side again that happens and he's GonNa marry the old and decrepit. This is the one I want here with me if I ever get to a point where I can't chew peanuts or peanut. Butter is just too dry. That like I can't manage to swallow it but I still like like I'm on a liquid diet and I still need peanut butter. This one's going to be here for me through all of those trials and don't worry about because as long as I'm around I will blend Reece's for you well if you don't like when you need it you don't that. I'm not your manservant right now but day when you need but someday you'll be my man servant. God I did just say that. Didn't you kind of remind me of somebody can? Yes and he's GonNa marry the peanut. I work with somebody who felt like they wouldn't feed their child things that they wouldn't themselves and so they would blend up. Mcdonald's cheeseburgers into baby food and feed them like blend up dry. I love me. I wouldn't feed my kids something I would meet myself. I wouldn't that baby food. I cheeseburger bomb though. That is both awesome parenting and horrible parenting at the same time. Well Bryan if you ever infested with the care of a child you can try let us know. Hocus okay on that note. Have my Islam like a cigar now before we leave. I'm just GONNA give a plug for a youtube. I mixed all them together. I'm GonNa try and Chug them on the after party here. I'm Brian no began and I didn't have mostly I don't know I'm not. I'm not gonNA promise anything that I can finish. I'm going to try it okay. On that note we'll say goodbye podcast. Thanks for listening. Have a great week or two or one or whatever. We'll see you next time folks podcast by.

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906 - Who Are You Now? Al & Joe edition

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906 - Who Are You Now? Al & Joe edition

"Dead the officially unofficial podcast for the walking dead on AMC. Al And I'M JOE and we're here today to talk about season nine episode six titled Ride Joe. What did you think of this? In my opinion, frankly strange episode of the walking dead while I definitely want to get that, but I I think we'd be remiss if we didn't thank our hosts for making us. The officially unofficial guests hosts of this episode of the of the watching dead. You know we've been obviously for fans of Germany run for a long time, and and what an opportunity on their revival at the watching dead to to be able to come back and talk about the show I've been. Man. I've been I've been a big fan of the walking dead for a long time and really admired. What the? Jimmy Iran done in the podcast. World is realtor to be here. We're thrilled thrilled for the opportunity. Gallantly thought watching dead was coming back. Much in the same way that nobody thought Rob Rob River. Would lead to anything you know we kind of. I'll be the first to say. We kind messed up. Did great an outstanding job all the way up until the very end, and we just couldn't get that last episode out, but I see. That happens the first ipod gases. Really it's really big of in Ron to overlook that and look at her entire body of work in selecting us for this this this high honor. Absolutely so you Jim? Erin so now joe. Yeah? What'd you think? It's you know it's a strange strange episode It feels kind of fitting after we you know. I I listened to to Jim in Iran as they wrapped up their nine. Oh five podcast and you know. They pointed out how Darrow's Kinda like looked lost, and he just Kinda ran off into the woods, and they're wondering what's going to happen to him next and. We get this strange kind of surreal. I caught a bottle episode, except for there's all these new characters, and then go pull multiple locations, but it's all just focused on Daryl, processing. This intense grief that he has over the death by parent death of his brother. is spiritual brother. Rick and leads him on this vision quest on his motorcycle where he meets his actual dead brother I mean what what was your interpretation because I see this as just. This intense psychosis driven grief response that the Daryl's barrels. What what did you? What did you think of the episode? I like that interpretation because I was frankly pretty confused. Because it, it starts out in what I thought was a flashback episode. and. You know you get a few scenes of of a pretty normal looking society. And so I think there is a bit of flashback here, but yeah, it could also very much just be Daryl's head. I mean that's the thing I was trying to think. Oh, maybe there is some flashback here because you've got the boys kind of like you know in their own. Their own home talking about being in the back woods and running around and get all kinds of trouble, but then you know you've got zombies and chainsaw building mutants and post apocalyptic flame throwing As and you know post, apocalyptic death race and I band I. Don't remember any of that kind of stuff happening in the current day so I just like I was like you know. Maybe it's a little bit of both. Maybe at some flashback. Maybe it some you know grief driven imagery. Maybe maybe daryl has kept around Merle's bag of tricks. You know that the blue ice his pharmacy may vice. Maybe he's been saving for a special occasion, and you know the apparent death of Rick Grimes He turned to some. Substances for some relief. He's self medicating and can't the man for that, but. Led to. An episode like I I I feel like the the season's largely been kind of back on track this episode two slides way off the rails way off the rails I mean yeah, it takes all the momentum that they built in the first five episodes and just paces away my opinion all the way we'll say. It's fantastic to see the the Dixon brothers back together again. Oh, yeah, if there's one thing that we wanted as far as fan service from this show I think everybody can agree. It was the Dick and brothers back Ryan together again. The and you know rick had his holiness GIC. You know dream sequence with his old friends and comrades I think it's fair play. For Darryl to get the same on such a you know after such a historic episode of the walking dead so I can't. I can't criticize the decisions or the I I. Try to stick the criticizing execution. Okay can can I criticize one thing so? A. Big a criticizing. It's it's just A. A I was confused by it because when they first show up in Alabama. Daryl talks about how he's going to find his brother Merle ending, and it definitely looks like Merle has changed like Merle is older. Merle's hair is much much longer and string year dirtier. He's clearly been through the apocalypse right like. So, what are we talking about here like because? The MERLE that I remember was very like. Short hair. Seemed robust and Stout and A formidable force. This Merle is very different. I mean it could be a hinting at the ghostly afterlife because you know. He's kind of looks like a like an apparition out of Dickinson novel of but. For Michael Rooker. And you know they're talking about like the rituals of the Road Nino. Motorcycle getting his mind straight neat e explicitly wrote down a quote. I'm leaving the my reality behind. Re- reunite with my brother and I feel like that's the. That's what I'm clinging to in this episode. As an interpretation, the he's this is just a some kind of crazy drug binge grief, stricken vision quests that he's on all over the American southwest Oliver's old stomping grounds. Maybe he's hoping that he'll find rick there to who knows. The KENNETT. He's. He's phasing out of coherency here because he's talking about. The guts being eaten out of the Horse You know when they're eating this dough belly. I think is pretty fitting topic for discussion when you're eating a DOLE belly. Had No about that when you know. When does this take place It's it's. Some combination of like. What Darrell thinks about his. His brother might say in this situation. Yeah the eaten. He's eating at this post, apocalyptic diner and staffed by. Some kind of Know Wasteland mutant and they're eating dough belly. Which I think is actually just a a does belly. They've chopped off, started roasting some tomato and mayonnaise. And it's you know it's hard to imagine how it's play stays in business because you can clearly see that like you, Darryl. If MERLE'S A figments imagination Daryl's literally the only person there. He just sitting there eating his belly You know having having this tints waving rolling trip of his It's it's really wild. They also talk about like he's talking about his Merle's old lives. As a serial killer and a space pirate the serial killer checks out as pirate. That's that's crazy. It casts a lot of light onto Merle's history, and maybe why he was so abusive with Tara clearly got multiple personality disorder. He's he's phasing in and out of realities as as we go through this conversation with him. How many personality says Moore have I? Don't know and you know what the thing is like. Other thing I started. Thinking about is like you know I'm a big Fan. Big Fan to town we got you know brought brought to archie verse in the First Place, but you know there's this classic x men comic where you know once like a major event with lot. X. Men died a lot of. Of them went off, and like assumed codenames and kind of lived in obscurity like Wolverine. Round, as patch I I'm I'm noticing that like Daryl's going around Norman and Merle's going around as Michael and I wonder if there's something there to like just this traumatic experience and and Darryl's afraid to go under his his given name, so he's he's. They've all got elaborate codenames something. Maybe this is something goes back to them. Being kids health do even know that that Darryl is his real name. Now, you mentioned no, I mean. On Prasada Yeah Yeah east of. Jesus who's actually an like you know? Maybe Darryl is This norman's Jd Prasada. And then we start to get into a little bit of that back story. with the two brother is a growing up and I. Guess Westchester Alabama. We head back there. We get to meet. Merle and presumably Daryl's cousin We. It's a strange scene because I feel like what they're trying to do here with with Merle's cousin is. Give us some insight into why the time with Dwight might have been so hard on darrow particularly because. If. This is a flashback which I think it actually is. You can see in this flashback that Darryl gets kidnapped by MERLE's cousin, which is his own cousin, the he's taken into the House against his will. He's refused to give it to. Get many food than there's no. There's no clover. Read a tormenting him, and this is not the first time that it's happened which you know, that's why it hits Daryl so hard went to captures him. Yeah, you fire up. You know being on Easy Street and you're right there and I? You Know I. Back this was like You know this. This cousins clearly crazy with all fetish like you know. She's. She's strapping dolls to her walls. The way would bury and. The Savior Complex Strap zombies up defenses like she's clearly got some some problems that she's she's. She's processing. Daryl's caught up in this, but even like did they also have this conversation where Merle's talking about having grandkids and Darryl says he has a six month old. This kind of like A. sub-conscious fetish that he has with like a little ass kicker and like Oh. If I wasn't this complicated a sexual hillbilly, I might have a family of my own and come to grips with the fact that that's never going to happen with Carol Stuff, with Carol had admired a couple episodes ago, like after, Ezekiel proposed yeah, I get really drove him a little bit, and say yeah like he's put on a brave show, but like you know, and even the imagery that leads the him being kidnapped by this insane cousin is. The Dixon brothers on the run followed by a bunch of cars where those coming from I noticed, the cars are all white, which again this is like this heavenly symbolism like you know there there's been escorted by a chaser team of angelic SUV's and whatnot just really really bizarre choice of of direction and tone. It is the vehicular premonitions. Don't stop there because you get you get a lot of. You know once Daryl is kidnapped by by his cousin He is in passed around seemingly from biker gang two biker gangs. Oh Man, yeah, and just abused in. The entire time. Buffalo soldiers got him I. kind of like one of those the like The toast moment we have an all black biker gang, and then you mean an all white biker gangs his ferry. Everything's like very divided and you know it's like boy seems like Uh. I I thought the Buffalo soldiers. Honestly one of the better sub-factions we met along the way. Seem like really nice guys. I'm not. I'm not sure about those bright yellow uniforms, and how they would work in an apocalyptic kind of combat situation. Yeah, but you know then, then they then they get a tour around Birmingham. And some of it was kind of interesting by just. Don't see how it fits in the walking dead like E. C two statue of the four and this this this church to got bomb like That's that's that's interesting, but man. It's like I I I. I don't understand fits into the walking dead context well I'm wondering if there's setting up a betrayal here because there's one guy who conspicuously refuses to ride with. With them and I'm thinking. Maybe he's planning something back next episode. We could be on the lookout. He says he's got every business. Yeah, he's got. Other business might be this. This is I'm I'm on edge like Heath Mo- moving off at that the key card you know where wins this gone? This is checkoffs businessman Yep When's he going to come back with his briefcase? And then you know he's passed off to the Hades, which is the White Biker Gang? You're talking about? Yeah Did he has this pretty I'm going to say week. Two Cents Monologue about not being racist, which I think is there to serve just as a reminder of how different the two brothers are. You Know Merle famous racist. Nasty Guy, and then you've got daryl who wants to bring everyone to go now. I'm not sure if he's saying under. If maybe he's yeah. You know threatened because he's clearly being passed around from gang to gang. He's probably going to say whatever he can sure. So maybe that was. A little more coerced than it needed to be. as I say, it's like Darryl, he's talking about hope for mankind unite against zombies, despite any differences in race or culture which. Like there's come a long way since season one, but his couldn't help, but like you know maybe this black and white gang biker gang could get together and kind of help and search for Rick but it's like when you're when you're when you being held hostage by these type of organizations. Sometimes, it's best to keep your head down and stay low until you can find your way out of it. Yeah and again I don't know what's flashback here. What is dream sequence versus what's go? Who can tell? Yeah it's tough Go over to what I think is just. Flashbacks to the rate on terminus. Like maybe this stuff he's he's been experiencing with Carol has really gotten into because he feels here like he's. Assaulting terminus with this tribute Shea. I definitely saw a train at one point I. I don't think it had letters on it, but maybe I saw the wrong side. Oh, yeah, the car. You know the Jada situation last week. A my understanding of A and B is turned on its head I. Thought I might have been like a hazy kind of delusional. Thinking back to his time has failed time as the leader of the sanctuary. Because you know I, mean. It's a full on industrial plant. I see why they have trouble growing stuff. They're not planning seeds. They're like literally put in molten metal in the ground. Let's talk about how they how needed wanted to set up a sanctuary here? Yeah, and how poison the water is and whatnot. But just as that started getting interesting and this flashback, and and they're. They're clearly building something the sunsets and they have to go down to the sewers for refuge Does the mutants. Oh Yeah, the mutants zombies. The you know the they always They're always worse at night seems but then you know at some point that seems like it safe to return, and they've been working on this postboxes tributary. I tell you what I would love to see. A couple of I would love to see Darryl brings now back to Alexandria because that thing looks like it, take taxes. On the cheap like the only question as always. Is kind of a nod. The Jimmy John's narrative. You think fucking blacksmith can handle a tribe user. How how many working examples attributed as well, he have to see before you can actually build one. Yeah, he can't bring the knowledge back. He's gotTa bring the whole Trivia. Shea back. Yeah, it's going to be tough on that motorcycle for sure I the most perverse part of this and I don't know like this is either torture at the hands of an evil biker gang or this is. The show, trying to say something profound about Daryl state of mind, but he is firing attributed. At an effigy of his own crossbow. and. Darryl. Says might cry which. I understand why I understand. They're breaking down his core identity here this is this is. This is not like premonitions of Dwight I. Don't know what is. Tell you what you could be right on that. so then Darryl either that escapes captive here. Depending on whether he thinks is a flashback or not The anything's really loose like. Almost no transition. You know like I, sometimes. I get dark and I'm like okay well. It seems like they're trying to take shelter. And that makes sense, but just like it just going from place to place with almost no, you know, and then how how much how much since are you expecting? This guy to make sense of his either flashback or some kind of drug been? She's on a I. Don't know if it's an artistic choice or just just poor editing I. Using or directing and writing, it's a hallmark of the walking dead. Yeah, so. Show on TV and they just don't show the most exciting part which would be the escape from the Hanes right? Yeah, yeah, like how do you get the Buffalo soldiers whole? Help them out. I don't understand It's really bizarre and I couldn't find I couldn't find any information about who directed this. which I thought was bizarre. Is that something that usually readily available? But you know I got some sneaking. Suspicions which we'll talk about towards in the episode, okay? So then they go to this haunted chicken house Mean this year you're in the meat and potatoes, walking dead, and when I felt like I finally finally. This makes sense. It feels like every shack that visited in the past right every squeaky hinge Yup place where where anything could happen with walkers and will happen, and then you know like in various leaders. You know we've had. We've had the governor. We've had Nagin, and now you've got this chicken Dan Guy, and he's got to go right up there. On the Mount Rushmore of of you know walking dead post-apocalyptic warmongers along with Tasha, Yar and terminus like. He's he's just covered in blood and chicken feathers. The face, the face like that. That star power right there. I mean that. Yeah, that tells you everything you need to know about the guy. Yeah, but it's like the his headquarters. You know like It's you know post apocalyptic cannibalism going on some zombies. But dinners. There's lots more dolls I'm thinking like this. Is this like the cousins and Cities Influence There's a swamp thing in counter which it's like they playing, you know. On March to another classic Comic Book Character or what's what's the deal? But you know it's all just very brief horrific imagery. And presumably they somehow survived the ordeal fleet Atlanta. Yeah, they do so with a guy named mastodon which If CHEKA DAN is up there on the the the monument of villains. THAN MAST on to be up there on the monument of heroes because. Oh. Yeah, the the the escape is is nothing short of a miracle and they end up. Well he ends up, so it gets a little weird here and I think they're doing more about breaking down the core of what Darryl is. What made him way because they end up on a rooftop BAR IN ATLANTA? And then they show the flashback well. I don't know if it's a flashback because we might be in a flashback, they might be showing flash forward to. Win, Merle loses his hand on that rooftop. Sure and just thinking man how you know what a cruel twist of fate that on the same rooftop Darryl would both? Find his salvation and a man named Mastodon, but also his brother would lose his hand. Yeah and they're doing like. They revealed a lot of stuff there like Apparently, daryl took a gun to the face when Merle slapped at Glenn's hands. Way Back when and just you know like you got mastodon. They're trying to vie guide him through the spirit quest wild. You know Merle's talking about reminiscing shooting each other bb guns in the woods, and and you know they talk about that. Time or Moore handcuff the roof. It's just really Like like bizarre dream imagery that they're trying to process this. This thing with the hand gets a lot weirder in the episode before it's over. Tell you let me tell you. People have watched this. Know what I'm talking about Holy Moly. Glad, you brought up the weird strange editing because there. There was a scene that we kind of glossed over to get to a point here, but. We need to talk about the scene with Eugene. Get there. I feel like again. This is the shoddy editing. The walking dead can be known for the Darrell think that Eugene died last episode and that's why he's in. This jeans with it, you know his hair's fixed up. like a reasonable person he's he's dressed what I would say approaching stylishly but but the backdrop is A. Daryl driving a post apocalyptic like terror drome car. Pacers are in. You know what this feels like. Feels like he's trying to advertise for a new show because there's. A, there's a scene. Walk through the mud, there's Talladega pace car seen. There's a roller skating scene. We'll get to here in a bid and it feels like he's advertising a new show like you could call. Like. It's a post. Apocalyptic racing circuit like call. With Norman Rita's right. Yeah, it's it's bizarre. This like thousands of bloodthirsty cannibals in the stands, and just whipping them up into ever. Ever higher pitches a frenzy. Flip them the Double Bird, you clearly antagonizing this and I'm like Oh man. How's he going to get out of this? Because eventually, this car is going to run out of fuel. But he just he just gets out and the next location might be the weirdest one in the episode Gal. Let's talk about it all right This is like classic example of what Aruna. Jim are always complaining about in the walking dead. AL WHAT THE FUCK ARE! They do at this rolling rink. Obviously falling apart. There's not many people there, but why is anyone there? Why is anyone hanging out at this dilapidated roller rink? should be completely abandoned. This is designed. Be Apocalypse. They're trying to dance gate I. Get I get that you're doing some kind of weird grief, processing flashback episode, but like this this is just embarrassing fantasy sequence, or no I just I just don't get it and you've got the fourth wall. Break here which I really love. You've got Daryl in this bizarre roller skating seen in a scene that makes no sense. Can Text Julie and the apocalypse shouting? This is bullshit balshaw. Yeah, over and over he you. He realizes the farce that the show has become. Putting himself in that that he's realistically putting himself in the situation. What would do Darrell? Call Bullshit! He shared Boyd Fans Really GonNa love that you. You did a pitch perfect. Jim Bullshit Man. Oh Yeah, amazing Oh. Yeah, they're gonNA. They're gonNA. They're gonNA eat that up like that's the all. Yeah, it's like it's like Jim say ball shits right up there on trying to do his bullshit. Andrew Lincoln was what does that sound like I I? He's a he says hourly, says all weird like. I'm Rick Grimes. I'm gay, I'm I'm I'm almost other sheriff. It's something like that I can't quite get. It doesn't had that ball. Shit nailed. Yeah, okay? They get out of this roller rink and you mentioned this, but then they drive these new, I guess they're like a prototype scout models like I think this would be cool. This would be. Some really cool outrider stuff for Alexandria, but it just you know it's hard to imagine they're gonNA talk. There are a lot of motorcycles, but he really likes these buggies and and then they certainly go hard driving the hell out of these things I think it'd be interesting. You might not need a bridge if you had a an armada. These things so I. Don't know. Maybe he's GonNa. Come back with. These, no say fuck you to the Blacksmith. He's GonNa, come back with the with the dukes of Hazzard plan. Yeah, like you said he was going to have tribus Shays, and you're GonNa have ramps, and you're gonNA have souped up Porsche Apocalypse Buggies, and you don't need you. You don't need that. Constant Noga wagon. You can just have hundred mile an hour. Porsche Jumps carrying occur all the goods and services you need. This is when it really started to feel just like an advertisement for racing show, though because I you know the first time I'll give it to him the second time. It's it starts to be much and I. Think the walking dead is guilty of being a little much sometimes with its. I wonder if it's either going to be spinoff show, or maybe like it'd be really it'd be so umbrella for the walking dead. Do this kind of crazy stuff just to launch a mobile game You Know Daryl's Park where he just goes needs to try different vehicles and you're trying. It's it's You know one of those you remember like ten years ago, those four by four games were all the rage where you're trying to leg. Yes, tilt back and forth fords, and goes I I feel like it might be something disappointing like that because boy. Walking dead hasn't had log mobile games drew. So, then things get weird We have a big reunion at a bar named Nick Norman's in Woodbury. I. I don't know what to say about. This is a very confusing scene for me because I feel like is the scene where you'd want to bring it all home and say something about Darryl's current status, but you've got. You still got Moore in the mix. And so he's like. This imagery, but he very much seemed to be welcoming at at this point. Has He accepted? You know who he is where he actually belongs in the story. You know I still took in my kind of like a drug binge grief hysteria. Just like we saw last week, Rick, exploring the world of the dead, where everyone's a dead corpse, and he knew everybody This is like maybe all the people that they left behind the died Woodbury but the thing is is like you know. The the rix seen worked really well, because all of those corpses we'd known got a known. There are major characters along the way, and I'm looking at these. See if faces. I guess this is supposed to be heaven. 'cause Woodbury is left in flames and I look around these faces and I. You know they just didn't do a very good job. In those seasons establishing these side characters, so it just kind of landed flat for me. and we're still no closer to finding out. Rick is I don't feel like. Daryl's really done a good job processing his grief. The walking dead late, and so I admit something here. I've never actually seen the Woodbury seasons or the governor seasons a really yeah. I saw I saw that one. I was GONNA. Watch them, but I saw that one image of Andrea crying and I just decided I'd rather not bother. Me Off the to show, it was scary for me. That's defensible, but here's where like the mystery of the director comes in because this guy. Comes into this ponytail Greg Nicotera. And did they go? No, but I recognize them 'cause. I'm biggest fan, and I'm thinking. Wait has this kind of? Did, well, he's. He directed the last episode and he's Guy Responsible for law the Zombie makeup and he's kind of like I. Don't know. Maybe he's an ego maniac I think he's. He's self inserted himself in a character as God like ease as like what kind of arrogance and Creative control run amok. Is this where and he presents Merle in heaven with his own severed hand as a keepsake? It's like Oh, macabre stuff you know for the even for the walking dead version of Heaven. That's dark. That's an so. This is presumably a Merle that's in Darryl's head. Right so yeah, this is Darryl watching God in heaven present his brother with his own severed hand. Yes, he's. He's he's made whole in God's grace. I guess but the Oh God again. NATO, you know and then like eating. Confusing cuts from location location. Oh, it's day now. It's night, classic Nicotera and you know just it would make perfect sense that he would direct to for preside over this very messy flawed episode of the walk. Why is why is this character called Nick? Does he smoke a lot? Nicotera real name I? Don't know what his care I mean I think he's. He might be credited God or Y'all Galway, but that's his like his R- actual real. You know. LOOK IT UP A. Name Rank Nicotera is just calling the guy with the ponytail. Yeah well I mean It's Pryke should've stuck with that soon as he got behind the camera. It's hoof. Kinda you know we all loved him as Zombie Man, but now he's Zombie. Man can't tell day from night and sunny rainy so and the real and imaginary. Versus versus solid grounded. It's it's it's crazy. Crazy is weird, is a weird episode of the walking dead. I almost felt like an episode different show. Frankly it really did. It's just all over the place. The design but you know at the end glimmer of hope were set for smoother sailing next week because Darryl says something really profound about you know where you live is not where. Where you call, home is where you find comfort and familiarity and acceptance and understanding and I'm thinking maybe all this crazy shit, going back through all his old stomping grounds, trying to find his his his dead brother, trying to find his dead adopted brother. Maybe this is an epiphany. He's had about being a leader and responsibility to community. He's GonNa go back to Alexandria Kinda reinvigorated reinvested. Roaring up to the front gates with his his motorcycle, and he's going to step into that leadership role. That's always been there for him, and he's needed more than ever now that the rings gone. but that's my hope. That's my hope that we're going to be one of those weird. You know like you had that well. You didn't 'cause. He didn't watch the the the Woodbury Art, but they had this weird three part prequel with the governor out of nowhere to the walking dead. Does this sometimes yeah? It sounds like a bad season I'm glad skipped it. It I didn't. This is saying like you know? There's the mortgage with his yoga-practising monk goat cheese, making guy like sometimes they just have a weird episode involving a central character and kind of got to roll with it I think I think I think. We rolled with it as best we could. We literally rolled with the roller roller rink with it, so you know. No one can say we didn't try, but I just don't some. The Metaphor and imagery is just beyond me here, and maybe even beyond the show runner themselves. Yes. I think that'll that'll do it for this week. and I guess for our stand on watching dead. Thanks very much again to Jim and Aron for allowing Oh. Yeah, that's opportunity we get have ever WANNA. Go on vacation again like we're we're. We're ready. you know how to keep current on all the shows Yo D-. Need us to pinch hit for. Fargo I mean yeah. Fargo's got some crazy imagery to usually makes sense at the at the end of the day, but Yeah, we're. We're we're. We're really thrilled to have this opportunity to be on. The bulb moved that work. It's It's really amazing I mean I watched the first. He seasons of Westworld World I did watch the third so yeah, I'm I'm to go. Well maybe that's what the that show needs us. A set of fresh eyes gap Just you know, see if you can just step into that world I mean. It's it'd be hard to imagine a more hairpin u-turn than this episode. I. I haven't a sled so much longer McNary in those. Get there al.. Wait wait wait a stretch yourself. You do Joe to the hell? The job of and I appreciate it. I appreciate it hopefully hopefully y'all think say. Work with us. Open that we can be back real soon.

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Datalore

Beam Me Up: A Star Trek Podcast

1:10:32 hr | 1 year ago

Datalore

"Final Frontier Dance. This is about saving the humanity. Kim a huge victory times graduate not emotion Amos Amazon. Welcome to another episode of Beam. Me Up a star Trek. PODCAST I am Brent Allen and I have seen every episode of Star Trek Multiple Times uh-huh and I met Sonnenburg and this is my first time through this series and this is the show where I am doing. My Gosh Darn Best. Turn into a full blown. TREKKIE trekkie by introducing them to all of the good and really more importantly the important episodes to understand what gene roddenberry and all his people have built in this world of Star Trek the future of Star Trek. Today's episode we're looking at is the third episode of the next generation that we're going to be watching. It's titled Data Lor or as I like to call it thor. We're lucky or lucky or I'm not really sure however you want to say but this is the one where we find out a lot about. Data's passed we lor. Data's mischievous brother Matt Matt. We're going to get into a big recap of the episode. So we'll save talking about one of them happened in this episode for a few more minutes but kicks off man. You Watch this episode little bit out of order actually as it were but what has you know that. Yeah it's it's okay What did you think of this episode? Just kind of overall you know kicking us off here at the beginning I. It's I guess started out a little slow probably but once it got going ahead that mystery feature that I like and a lot of actually seemed very familiar. Not Like I've seen this episode episode before but like I've seen this before really to some extent. At least I think I mean it's it's kind of the whole mixed up twins transplant right. Okay so I mean I. It's it's been around. I think but it was enjoyable enough to get it through and I I do as as you know like a good origin story so that Kinda does does that whole little origin. Thing for you find find out. Yeah I found out a lot about data that I did not know. Yeah and neither. Did we really up to this point. He's been android you know that's it it turns out there's a lot more a lot more to go with that so we'll we'll get into all the nitty gritty stuff here in just a few minutes but Mac Right up here. At the beginning we talked about some of the notable people that are involved the story involved with this and turns out this is this is a I hesitate to call a bottle up because they did have to create new scenes in and You know sets for this film or show but there were not really any guest stars in this. It was it was all of our. You know mostly all of our main CAST I. Yeah that was it. Because Brent spiner who plays data by the way played the guest this law was going to say as long as they didn't bring on his twin brothers on things right so so yes so with that. Why don't we talk about the central figure of this episode? Let's talk about data show. Just said is is played. By my fellow Brent Brent Brent spiner now you may know Brent spiner as the crazy scientist Dr Okuno from the Independence Day films okay. That is the same guy. If you know who I'm talking about. I I think I can picture him like when placed him before so. This is a thirty year old movie at this point maybe twenty year old. He's the guy in the first just one like You know he's working with aliens all of a sudden like he's he's alien alien grabs by the next snaps his neck and then like uses him to talk to the guys like. That's that's the same guy all right Somehow he comes back in the next one but he was still alive. which is don't think I've seen in new ones don't don't doesn't exist? It doesn't exist zest. I mean it just some of the worst. Ret Conning you've ever seen before in your life anyway Brent spiner. He won a Saturn award for his role as data. He is also a huge dude theatre actor and musician as so many of our trek actors. Are He released one of the albums he released. I love this. It's in the style of the nineteen nineteen forties crooners the Frank Sinatra. It's kind of in that steidl style and the title of the album was old. Yellow eyes is back. We'll play early on. Where was this after his role here? Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. This is while he was actually. I think it was while he was playing data. Okay okay you know. Of course. That's obviously as a reference to two Frank Sinatra who say old blue eyes is back Cher Cher but obviously that being a reference to the contacts here for data which were were featured very prominently in this particular episode. I don't think yeah I'm interested going forward to see how prominent these contact lenses that Brent spiner is wearing data data continue to be throughout the course because I don't remember them being as as like forgive the Pun in-your-face as they appear to be in this particular episode assode so but anyway after he worked pretty steadily appeared in lots of TV roles and has a ton of sci fi genre. cred does that not so. That's really about it. His main came main claim to famous. This role right here. This is what we're watching him. Do make sense and he he lives on the off. You know the residuals and the convention appearance so Brent Spiner when we talk about him we play we call them Davis he is a guy though kind of becomes a little bit like Like Leonard Nimoy Moi did actually there's a couple of next generation actors that Kinda followed that path. But he really. He takes on writing some of the stories and in crafting some of the stuff you know as we go forward becomes very protective of next generation in the roles that was a big Apparently a big mover and shaker onset it and stuff like that so that's pretty much all right so matt with that. I got just a couple of production but I'm going to save them and see where we get to them in the course of our conversations. Let's go ahead and dive into the episode. What do you say all right? Well we'll do this kind of like we did last time. I like the way last episode really worked out last couple where I'm just GONNA walk us through the scenes Matt. This is about you. Okay this shows about your your deal so stop us whenever you like talks through the episode. Has You saw what stood out to you. What questions you have along the way data lor we opened with the enterprise? It's on its way to its next assignment. But they've got a few minutes to swing by data's home world card wants to stop by but data's is more interested. Did in wait for it. Sneezing yeah I I mean just right off the bat and say I guess They had to pick some mundane human activity to once again drive home this point. That data wants to be human Cuban right because I am I didn't even think about it upfront. But like it's kind of like I always say they. They put something at the front of the episode sewed to drive home the point. They're making the enduring the entire rest of the episode tracker storytelling right. Yes and so like this. Is that okay. Dato wants to be more. Human data is not human. He has that humanity removed from him. which we we didn't know until this episode really but you know there was another pre data but it's I duNno? Sneezing is a weird one and the way he plays it is just. I don't know if I could explain that. Like I kind of wonder almost like if someone gave him direction or if if it was just like pretend to sneeze but you don't know how to seize is like is that what's written into the script. I I would love to see how what was written in the script for this. You probably could find it because a lot of these scripts are out. They're floating around to me. Matt honestly this is just comedy like I love this part of the show. Like it's it's it's the the mundane everyday life life of what's going on. Here's data trying to be a little bit more human and it's he's trying to sneeze and he's failing so miserably at it you know and and I just. It's it's so funny to me to watch him. Try to do this sir. But along with this we did learn one little world building detail detail sure that apparently the common cold spinner advocated there. You go glad you picked up on that. I was getting ready to talk about that in the future We you know what's Wesley say. It's a disease that humans use to get something like that. Yeah so hey cure for the common cold looking forward to it or you go there you go. They arrive at data's home world. The world is empty. Though it's a class in planet but it's completely empty completely devoid of life. The colonists that used to live there have placed their collective active memories into data before they disappeared. But it's time for the away mission. which card is not allowed to go on reference record but data is home so I just thought about this now as you were describing this planet you know this completely lifeless planet and they're saying like there was nothing here? All the plants died all the people that died. This be great place for that Genesis Project. Yes it would yes. So here's my question about this project or about. This planet class in means means that has a breathable atmosphere. Okay allowed to be there okay. No animals to suck up the existing oxygen and carbon dioxide. Assuming that that's the way it works but there's also no oh plants with which Pump oxygen back into the atmosphere. Either so it just the existing oxygen like left breathing sitting there. Yeah and if nothing was using it up why wouldn't it still be there right and then like but my questions. Let's say they stay on the planet for a while they just use use up the oxygen after a while after a while. Because isn't this kind of the same thing they ran into with the KLINGONS ONS. What do you mean when when the Klingons had their big explosion and then their plan it was going to die? They only have like fifty earth. Years left MHM before they're all going to die right wasn't that kind of because I think they said they like blew a hole in their ozone and so essentially essentially the action was going to run out in in fifty years. Is that what it was. I wasn't overly clear on why the Klingons were going to go away. Outside of it was they they spent so much money on military never bothered to deal with infrastructure and now. I'm pretty sure that that was it actually and so. I think you'd run into the same thing on this planet if you didn't somehow reestablish the plant life yeah I mean you have to write and figure out what. That's like an apparently in order to do that. You have soot like organisms and stuff in the soil and the bacteria and all that kind of stuff so Thank you to the to the film. The Martian the taught me that Yes yes. It's so good by the way. Just shout out. A book is by a guy named Andy Wear. It is a very unique audiobook audiobook to listen to. I haven't listened to audio book. I read the book for the Audio Book is An. It's an experience unto itself so if your audio book type person and I would highly recommend but you listen to podcasts so you know but either way it for all of our listeners out audiobook type person the Martian by Andy where. It's the ones that Matt Damon movie is based on It's it's just it's own experience that you don't even get from reading so you some language though so it does yes. Yes it's where it's definitely a an adult excess. It's not X.. Rated it just you know. There's a lot of language. So it's it's it's an R. rated book. Yeah exactly exactly so. I wouldn't be playing it at work off of headphones. They actually toned down the movie to be PG thirteen. I'm sure they did so back. Data Lor though. Let's get back into this all right the mystery at hand what has caused data's home planet to become a dead planet just twenty thirty years ago. It was rich farmland. The eighteen checks out the spot where data was discovered by a landing party the USS Tripoli. But thanks to Jordan's visor. The place data founds turns out to be a fabrication and data finally remembers that the colonists were in a hurry to store their memories in him. But wait for it. There's a secret tunnel. That reveals a hidden laboratory. It turns out that data was created in and it was Dr Noonan soums lab all right so well. They're still outside. Yeah first of all I want want to an well. I don't know I've feeling we're we're not gonNA see this in this series but I would like even if it's just computer generated thing. I want someone to show me. What Georgie is seeing? Wha- geordies view the world through his visor I I wanna see what he's seeing. Okay like I always comments all the time and like they've they've told us he sees things differently. In like what spectrums. He can see on and stuff but I. I'm very curious to see what that looks like fair enough as I think we all are and were work and you would think today's technology someone. Someone should be able to show us at least a rough estimation of what that might look like Brenton. So he's making a note. So you said data remembered like the memories of these people being downloaded into him. What what are uploaded into however you want to think about it? He said it was four hundred. Eleven people tear knowledge. Does that number have any significance. Not It's just random number two number they put in there. Yeah it's all I need to know which I mean honestly tells you it's not a big colony. Well all of the people or or just like the collective knowledge of the colonists so as they're talking you get the idea that it's all the people and it's really not even all of the memories as much as you know they clarified that it's not like they're individual memories of their day to day life. It's their collective knowledge their collective learning So and that's why I was wondering like maybe it was like there. Were four hundred eleven scientists and he just got all their lab notes. I mean it's I suppose it's possible. Well I always just understood it to be. That's the number of colonists that they had their colonies. Really can't I guess be that He. Oh yeah they can they got. They got they numbered into the thousands back. Because it 'cause we talked about that just number people on the ship right. That's about the number of the people on the original enterprise. Yeah Yeah yes I mean. That's less than happy happy. Yeah so again with that in mind. It doesn't seem like a huge number at all. No no yeah it wasn't it wasn't very big number. I I did WANNA talk about the. I'm sorry you've done talking about that because I had something to talk about still on the outside the outside the world created outside uh-huh obviously on a sound stage. It's still has that old star trek feel of. Hey let's put this this monotone horizon sky in the background and just kinda populated sparsely with Styrofoam rocks and call it a planet that was that was on those on a back lot. It was on state. I WANNA say what stage sixteen sure of the lot where they where they filmed the show but the people I met. Actually I've told you the story for the actors in the crew referred referred to that stage as planet. Hell because it was. It was the stage that they would basically redress for whatever planet they were going to for that particular week Right and in and this the methodology and this this episode especially reminds me of a lot of the way that they used to do the original series the way they used to shoot it the way you know it's you can tell it's still the same people making the show. A lot of the techniques are still very much the same in this particular background. Just it's very well done because they have to build like this cave and this little alcove area and all that kind of stuff but it's still very much just this plain empty sound stage hell and and for people out there wondering when we're talking about what's the name of this podcast would be. One of the things I said was a something about planet. Hell or something. Maybe they think it's GonNa come from like those stories are and and we we wind up going with with but we did discuss that one just briefly the beginning of the show of this podcast and so anyway. That's it so as we you go forward can be on the lookout for those what we call the planet hell scenes redress it for whatever whatever our deals of the week fair enough did you have anything else about about the thing or do you want to head inside go inside all right. Let's head inside Dr Noonan soon. Don't be confused with Con Union. Seeing very different people Some exposition about Dr Soon and his life. And there's a smokey door in its open to reveal a whole other set of data parts is data is brother other well. It's time to head back to the ship and reassemble the other data Matt. Yeah so I do the mystery. They needed to move platform. I understand but but there are so many things in sci-fi in general I just don't understand the logic behind Mike okay. There's this mysterious this door with a bunch of smoke behind it. Yeah let's just open it right a poison gas. Maybe that's where all the dead bodies are. I like I mean shuts spicer. Why Rice or won't let Picard come along because he wants to do stuff like that you know yeah and Picard would probably be the one to push the button? Bright Right Kirkwood for sure. I don't know about Picard. But Kirk definitely would have been yes yes absolutely and then I mean even just like the the thought to to like. I don't know if there was a reason they had to get off the planet sooner but I would've kept if we deemed it necessary sorry to reassemble this thing. I'd reassemble on the planet. Not on our in the tiny confines of our ship right right. It's like the biggest as big as the Enterprise D is it's still limited. It's there's no planet. Yeah and if something happens on the inside it's still bad. Yeah there's there's a lot more people there and it's like you have this lab just work in the lab. I'm sure all the tools are there to put him back together. They see disassembled in here. So right now let me ask you if what was your first thought when you saw all these extra data parties saw the mold like I. Did you think it's extra data parts or did you think on all the mold. I thought. Clone Army Oh wake. They're going to be dozens if not hundreds of them. Okay all right and they all all the living people and now they they Live as one modulus group of androids. Potentially I mean you could scan the thing and find no by freight yeah sorry register story but yeah yeah I mean. It's it's true because they're not living so yeah. I always thought this was an extra day. It's not an extra data. It's it's just data parts. You know like you you create more the one the program is the same. The program is what stays you know but I to me. I think that would seem weird that you have entire parts like that because like I would think if once again I guess I. I don't know a ton about androids because I have some questions about that later and I don't know a ton about android in this world either like I don't know if things things are different than in other sci fi so like in my mind the the inner parts of the Android R v I mean. Yeah there's there's wires and gears and whatever might be in their machine parts but they're they're fairly tough fairly fairly indestructible and so if I'm replacing. Anything it's it's more like the skin right and so if feels weird to me to have entire higher parts sitting there and I think the one that gets me the most would was the head. Yeah it's like if your spare parts spare of limbs arms feet the hands fingers however small you want to go but I. It seemed weird to have an extra head fair enough. It's the head though for me on a outside of a story level like just talking about a production level. It's probably the first thing for me that we've done at least in this watch and it just seemed really bad like the like this this model thing which I can see like creases in in in Indians from the the stuffing they had underneath the padding had underneath to the shininess of the skin to. Oh we put it on top of this robot and now that's actually data's head like he'd just those those two things didn't match at all to me you know for sure you know what I'm saying. They're like I do like I'd have to go back and watch. I guess I didn't take that close and not on the details but like I understand what you're getting it and base we are saying they didn't have the Disney. Imagine years working on. Yeah it just didn't look good. That propped opt did not look. It doesn't hold up. Maybe look good. Nineteen eighty-seven it doesn't look good now. I probably did on. TV's back then close enough at least yeah for sure. Yeah when you're looking can things in high Def in the biggest screen is nineteen inches. You know why probably exactly probably probably true so. Hey real quick Dr Noonan. Soon the Dr Noonan's who did you. Did you connect the name with con con new knee and seeing I. I didn't I heard the name and my my first thought was. Am I supposed to know that name. And and so. If that's the connection is supposed to make I don't know but it like I I couldn't place it if I were supposed to all in so these are these are completely unrelated characters. Can now I gotta be honest with you for as much as as I've watched star Trek for the number of years that I've watched star Trek in my head. Con Union. Sing was always one of con- was always one of Dr Noonan. Soons ancestors okay for whatever reason those two names were meshed together in my head so they both actually used Noonan. They both used the word noon. Union and then there's the Lima's an s in an MG. Now explain that okay. Because I found this out because I go ahead ask you a question do it Matt. Yeah well I I don't know if it's so much a question if they did not intend for them to be related. Yeah that was very very very poorly planned right but keep in mind. This is the next generation. And you're in so many ways. They're also reaching out to a brand new audience and audiences that may or may not have have watched the original. There's a reason the name is used. The name Noonan was the name of a fellow soldier that that gene roddenberry served with back during the war. World War Two. I believe it was And like he really liked. This guy apparently fell out of touch with them and was kind of trying to find him and get his attention so the story where he goes so he was putting his name in there too like say. Hey reach out to me because it's very odd name. It's a very very odd name but it was. Well it's definitely odd to us. I accurate is. It's one of those I I wonder you know in in A. I don't know Asian country if it is more common right. Yeah I I don't know but it certainly they are not supposed to be the same so now we'll talk more about the similarities of these names adding much later dates Okay well we'll get there. We'll come back to but I'm glad that you didn't actually pick up on that and confused because for years Matt and I mean he years I have been under the impression that they were actually related. But they're not so Let's doctor Dr Soon Obviously he's a little bit of an odd bird You know he kinda it Kinda got chased out of out of scientific society and went and hid and then I mean. Would you expect anything less from Earth's for most robotics engineer to to to to get completely discredited and then like go hide out on a planet and actually turns out he was right and he creates a crazy robot yet he asked sounds about right to me and then he he creates an imperfect robot on purpose but then puts the desire to become. Its yeah sure that works for me. Hey how about. Let's carry on with the story. We're back up on the ship. Assembly of the other data is underway space music and space instruments abound chief engineer. argyle says everything. Everything seems to be their data reports the conference room. Everyone has awkward questions and Topa Card reminds everyone. Hey we're all types of machines. He's the type of machine you you are a title. We are a different variety machine. I made a note of that quote as it certainly made me think it's like yeah. Yes you store. Gambling era guests were biologically can buy logical chemical machine. But that's what it is. Yeah Yeah Yeah I. I'd like to think of us as more than that but this does but it does go back to. I think beginning the question Ed. We'll revisit this time and time and time again of what is life like like what constitutes life to be respected and to be Protected and to be sure up as especially. Yeah now that that we have androids unseen. Sure are they live. Are They not alive and you know I mean Jeez. So he has four hundred eleven lives. Send him go here. You go so yes so hey listen. We're all just machines. So let's lose the awkwardness. Shall we question start to flow but wait. Let's look at one of these drawings. The kids left down on the planet. It shows this fuzzy crystal looking thing and people are running away That's interesting no idea what that's about that. Did you pick up like was. Is this a thing for you at all. When you saw this read is like yeah? Okay whatever I I mean this is well like I feel. I've seen before now once again obvious. Isn't this what I've seen. Before is ninety two thousand television and movies sure and so this came first exactly and so was this. The first is this where people are drawing from. I don't know but I I've seen a few things recently and I'm not gonna be able to pull titles way but you know I it's it's always the kid it's always this crammed drying and he sketches this oddly accurate it Evil Guy Right and the parents are like Oh yeah that there's no way that can be a real. That's doesn't look like a human that you know who who. Ah Discredit it. And it feels like that's kind of what was going on here except like they had that one board with four drawings on it in the lab and it's like okay this. This isn't just hanging your kid's picture on the refrigerator. We're studying this thing like we're whoa. Why why are these kids? Drying this and so I kind of had a feeling like yeah this this is going to be our bad guy. I'd come to know what the drawing is oath but I mean this is you know what and storytelling no one us in there and create that. It's that mystery that you like about. What is the thing obviously? It's something bad. Let's figure out what it is but he listened. There's no time for those guys to talk about. Data data is needed down at engineering. He heads down there and data discreetly shows crusher for some weird reason. I'm not really sure. Why they he has the secret on off switch to what but she promises to keep it a secret? Yeah that was weird. Yeah and and I mean once again I can tell you right there. I'm like okay. That's that's GonNa come in handy especially especially when he's like. I don't share this one or you know. I've never told them about this. I'm like okay so she's going to be the only one who knows about it and she's not going to be around when we need it and I'll always little details where I mean the way it played out I honestly I thought she was going to use that against Lor as opposed to use it to help data fair enough all right all right which because we've already watched the episode. We know that that's not how it works out. So he says that now with data's help they get duplicate working. He is an exact replica. Except for this little face tick of data data and he states that he was intended as a replacement for the imperfect data he was created second and his name is Lor Dunton. He's he's awake. Yeah I didn't put all the pieces together immediately. I mean we're we're going to get into obviously but I in did assume that he was built after until like even started crushing it. I'm like oh well maybe not. Then why would they bring that up in the episode so it wasn't so see I'm thinking on. I say I'm still thinking at this point. It's the it's it's the same android. You just download the program because you move the program over and it's the same thing right like hey new iphone and I just downloaded my settings from cloud I I think you could treat it like that. But they didn't in and they kept the old program the original program as we found out in that one and just shut it down. which I think there's an trekkies out there I'm sorry from wrong on this but again this is kind of the way I've I've sort of understood it. But they talk about the positron brain right and and this is this by the way. There's no such thing as a positron onic brain. That's just a a sci fi genre thing that goes out there for helps make an android really lifelike. We'll didn't they even bring bring in. Is this the point. They started talking about asthma. Yeah Yeah I don't know if they're talking about right here but at some point they yeah they certainly talk about asthma. The I don't get the feeling that you can actually download one androids memories and stuff onto another positron brain. It's not like a halo zip it over on the USB driver ever quick Now I do know that you can make like an imprint. They can they can do various imprint. But it's not an exact copy okay So I think they're like that's like whatever was in that head of that positron brain that was lower like that was And whatever's in data's head is him like an it's it's that's him and his personality in his unique person hood shirt speak so but yeah I I guess the only thing I would question is like how did they employ employ all of the humans memories into data in the first place. Well but keep in mind. It's not so much their memories as much as just sort of their bank of knowledge which that can can be downloaded into but I mean what makes you as a person. It's college or experiences your personality like all those things that is kind of what is going early on in the brain and so it's not just a transfer the files but not the personality exactly yea like the essence of who you are you know certainly as a person as a person and here I am talking about these androids as if people on a fictional show but they might be. I mean there's certainly will be a conversation that I think will have but Let's continue data and Picard discussing. Data's brother which card keeps calling it which bristles datum picard apologizes and data swears. His allegiance allegiance to Picard. All right so I want to make this slightly before this but data once again points out very distinctly that he is better at some things that humans right and I don't think this is the first time we've seen him and do this and I just think of like the the strength offhand. He obviously has way more strength than any of the humans that we've seen or any of the any races that we've seen so like you can't really argue with it. He is better at some things than humans but every three time he says is everybody in. The room goes quiet and kind of looks round and changes the subject. And I don't know if this is meant to be you think or not but I just get this odd feeling that no one wants to admit that he's right or admit or tell him that yes you are better. No one wants to give him confirmation. What would you? I mean. Take the idea that he's an android out of it and just put another other human being in there like do you love her. Yeah you're you're just better at all of that than I am. You're better at all of these somebody who's just purely better than you. You know like you and what that ego at all no but do you re- like it. It's data though like I don't feel that he necessarily certainly has an ego to feed like. That's the thing it's like he he. He's speaking very matter of factly. It's it's it that that's all there is to and so like I guess it's not like proclaiming to the entire world that yes you are superior to me. It's usually you know these small groups of people usually all people on the bridge and it's it's like we all know it so google by why. Why can't you know any of them? Just acknowledged like it just feels feels rude honestly okay. It's like he says it and then they just just kind of ignore him and move on right and feeling bad for data better than you guess. You are. Sure 'cause like I I I don't get that. He's he's trying to say it. You know like I said destroyed as ill or t yeah. He wouldn't say it to stroke his ego because as you mentioned he doesn't really have one. Yeah but like. Have you ever known a kid who says something. That's that's just awkward and inappropriate but they have no idea why it's awkward inappropriate or that it even is absolutely that would be like all of you guys. Just because of his visual perform doesn't look like a kid right like I want to treat him more like a give him the respect of an adult which that's the br you bring that up. I've never thought about this because that's a that's an amazing juxtaposition to the way they treat Wesley Gaffe who does sort of thing and has a lot of the stuff but because he's a kid they treat him like a kid and we get something that has been printed on a million t shirts that comes out of this particular episode. We'll get there. We're not quite there okay. We're not quite there yet. But we'll get there but yeah so all right. Do you have anything else. You won't talk about that Data or this whole deal. Oh being there yeah. There was one on more. Yeah you mentioned. He likes swears allegiance And I think that might use the word loyalty at one point Sir and I question I had was Kennedy Android. Actually have loyalty like I. I guess that that actually comes down to maybe like. You're talking about the positron brain and stuff. Because I that's why I guess you could maybe program loyalty into it but like a- At least made it feel like he was choosing to have that loyalty right. I'm like your machine and that and I mean that's the that's that's where you sit back and you go okay. So data's machine data is he's a a set of pre-programme stuff that's controlled by a computer Despite artificial intelligence does it really think for itself does it have the ability to make choices for itself and I don't mean choices within its program but to actually like choose its its. It's desires and its outcome have once in desires because it does it. What like what? What really is this thing? And that is a question that is not answered in this episode But I think that is really began. This episode begins to ask the question like what are really is data while we do find out though like he does have the desire to become human right or be more human but I think that can definitely be argued that that was programmed into him that desire and and so I like I guess the oddest part about this for me is that he was giving his loyalty to a specific person. And if that if it was programmed into him I'd it'd be more accepting of it but to program it specifically to this captain like I think I think that would had to happen before he was made basically before before he was right he came alive. Or whatever except for okay if I could yep chooses to go to starfleet however that particular choice came along right uh-huh well okay. So he has made this choice to be in starfleet. So that sort of becomes an overriding thing. STARFLEET has placed him under the command of Captain Card so he is going to be loyal to Captain Picard as part of his loyalty to starfleet which he himself has chosen to. It's no he chose that we assume I mean I think you have to assume that he did yes. Yeah 'cause I mean okay. So so what we know is starfleet chose found him correct right. Yeah the the crew of the Tripoli found him and so he enlisted in starfleet went through the academy various places. And he he rose to the rank of Lieutenant Commander and I don't know that they've said it yet matt but I'll go ahead and tell you. Yeah he's actually second in command of the ship or third in command. I guess he's the second officer of the ship right below rancor for cargoes down Reicher goes down on data's in control like data's in command him. Okay so you know it's it's starfleet. Obviously trust him. He's you know all the stuff which very weird given kind of the way he is right now like. I don't know that I would put him out far just yet. I'm not going to play him over in charge of everything because I don't he hasn't become human human enough even more reason for for Reicher to keep car at SAFECO and not have like them in the same room at the same time right right but you know again I go back to. We really have to begin to ask these questions of what is data and what is life and what is considered alive. And we'll get there so all all right Why don't we move on well? Data's talking to regard Jordi. Wes and Reicher are giving lower the rundown of how to helm the ship when all of a sudden reicher shoots him a test question to which Lord begins to answer and then stops and self and feigns ignorance. And then there's that little tick again every time he's up to something he gets that little tick turns out more likes fleas. Humans data questions that there's some great split-screen work has data and Lore. Walk down the hall together which was just that affect was great to me you know. How are they splice that together? Back in the eighty s and once again I think it's because of the technology we have today like I didn't even think about it. Yeah I didn't think twice about yeah. Yeah but you say but I mean those kinds of effects usually show up like you can kind of see the split a little bit sometimes like this one was just gorgeous. It was beautiful now granted I I was watching the remastered version but still it was. It was a gorgeous shot You know But we're starting to see their different so I don't know about you but I'm not. I'm not a big fan fan of US telling Lore how to run the ship thank you. That's aside from like bringing him to life life in the first place and opening this gas chamber mysterious Gas Chamber like I actually beats the does even like I. I'm just sitting there thinking like. Do you know next to nothing about this guy. Why are you telling him everything right? Why are you showing him everything? Is he on the bridge. Which is why is he on the bridge? Where security like seriously it gets worse I think even later yeah? We'll get there we'll get it does. Yeah I I am one hundred percent with you on that ahead of time I will say though as a viewer I very much appreciate it. The exposition of we give you a certain degree going horizontal all. And then you save mark and now you're talking about the vertical Zaid the other three sixty and in that way we can direct the ship any which way we want which is one of the few times where it actually feels like. They're talking talking about ship it they're talking about space in three dimensions. Not just flat plane And so I I. I very much appreciated that because like I say so often as talking about it and it's hard to fathom it in three dimensions spreading out in all directions at all times like it's hard for me to fathom that so you know it works but I definitely appreciated that. But that's about it out of viewer because otherwise I'm just going. What are you doing? All right Let's see here the differences really between data and Lore. Begin to show. Laura's really got a bit of an attitude and he does have a pretty big ego. Why should they try to be human? They're so much better. Lawyer says data finds is out more about his past and where he came from. That was actually made. I but Laura was too perfect to human and it freaks the call in doubt so data was made intentionally less than humid. Ed just to make them feel better. And that's why lor can use things like contractions and can understand human humor. Say those words to ten times fast. Yeah Yeah but Dang. Wouldn't you know it now. Data's gotTa tell the captain. Hey let's leave Laura right here with a computer so he can learn everything. There is to know Laura's like a kid in the candy Andy Store Yeah Okay. So we'll we'll jump on that. I I guess if anybody on the ship I I've been saying you know. Data is the SPOCK. Data is the logic right. He he is a different version of you uh-huh so you should know not to leave him alone with a computer right. I mean I was data programmed named as the ultimate optimist and just sees the best in everybody. And it's like Oh he's not gonNA hurt us. Of course I worked to help him learn about this time. He's he's come into. You know who knows how long he's been turned off. I know because I mean I I sat there and I'm like okay. He he knows everything about ship. I'm sure all the information about the crew is on there as well and how much I I don't know how connected these machines are much information. They are have in there but it's like he could know everything about starfleet. He can know everything about all the planets. They've visited like just so much information and he can download it like that. He can go through it so fast. Yeah I mean I got that from from how fast they flip through those screens. Okay he he has everything. All knowledge like Y- not as neo in the Matrix right. It's just it's there. He he wins right. There should be no logical way they can. They can stop him now right right. And that's that's the dangerous and my God they just you know and I don't like the only only thought is this. Just I don't know if this is supposed to be a commentary on what it is to be blinded by family like the but that's the only thing that I can come up with because I I there's another little subplot that you know we've seen before and just like. Oh yeah you can trust him. He's my brother. What do you think it says? Though that Dr Soon created lore made him as human as you could possibly be. I mean Because he he really does was act and move and and Toyota so I was very impressed with that performance. Like how how different you make that. And the actor how smooth everything was the contraction thing right honestly. I thought that was just for for laughs when they brought that up. I'm like okay I did notice but yeah yeah yeah so. Hey there's there's a different spe matt you remember that drawing from the colonists yeah well turns out that is a crystalline entity one that needs people in all living things. So that's what happened into the colonists into that world well with disassembled in data wasn't even alive. They were the only things left when the entity attacked the planet lor starts creeping around. Data's not really overly worried he's just looking for an antiseptic or something. But perhaps you should keep an eye on war as he leaves Tasha turns around and ask the question to card. Can we really trust data torch picard unequivocally says yes but he wants everyone to know that that is actually a legitimate question. Matt I mentioned to you last episode to watch out for times when Picard card exhibits good leadership qualities and I thought that was a fantastic example of vote was absolutely was because like not only did I think he he did. He anticipate that question but he he let her ask. It gave his answer but then qualified basically said if she didn't didn't ask it she failed her duty right. Let let this be a lesson to you if you ever think you're in position Mike. You know I'm going to oppose you you but how you should still ask those questions. Hey by the way once again. Keep this in mind when we start talking about. What's going to happen with Wesley here really really soon Because this is a aside from being a great leadership quality This continues to go towards that that foreshadowing think of of really or to show in juxtaposition position anyway To Cause Wesley main point later on as if I was an adult. You'll listen here. We see an adult asking a question and she's listened to yeah you know a- and like we said like I said I think he he one hundred percent anticipated. This key knew exactly what she was going to ask but she let her anyway. Yep Yep all right. So Laura's back in in their quarters he drugs data slips Mickey Hardcore. Yeah this this is another question. I have about androids okay. They can do androids need to eat and sleep any eat and drink and sleep no and that's well established. No but apparently ah they can yes yes because they are for you know they are okay. This might have actually been something. You missed on a different episode. Yeah it's it's not one. We're watching but I mean my mind. Innards are full of mechanical parts. Sure and so like why would you put. I want an Android to mix in with people. Okay and you want them to to become a part of human like to be almost indistinguishable indistinguishable from people. Right they've got even if they don't need it they've got to be able to at least receive food and drink however they dispose of it later Right they're not going to digest it and use it for four energy. You know it just but if you're at if you're at the dinner party everybody's got to get a drink in right. Yeah so you gotta go. Empty his stomach at the end of the day right but that would be that would be the reason why it was added in. And and that's that's a piece. That's nice if you WANNA integrate into human society. You gotta do the things humans do so okay. I can see that makes more sense. So now with data passed out lor trades clothes with with him leaving data on the floor and his old clothes. Oh he also leaves data with the new facial tic all his own so yeah after after after Wesley mentions it like he sees it and before he said anything. I'm like all right. That's how they're gonNA solve this. That's how they're gonNA write spoon off. It's like someone will know like Wesley noticed it right away. He's not gonNA say anything he's GonNa go tell the captain and then you know. Even if both are awake they'll be able to tell because of the facial tic right but then lower as bright as he is covers for it right away. Sure like immediately. Oh okay well. That's going to be a problem. And then Wesley leaves and he exchanges it like fix his his tick and not only that gives it to data. Oh boy okay you just I mean just a lot more complicated just lied about it and then you know went back I can you sit there and you look at West okay. Did you really believe it. Because and yeah and you're right. I kinda jump to the little bit here It turns out Laura's the one who led the crystal entity to the colonists and he's doing the same thing with the ship bright as he says that West walks in and Laura who is pretending to be data tells west that he had to turn off his brother But when West tells us oh yeah anyway so we'll pause there. Yeah and and then he talks about the facial tech and switches it. So I guess it's the only saving grace narrative is that West tells lore or data. Lor what I'M GONNA call him from now on Data Lore tells them Hey stop imitating him. He's no good just to stop up entertaining straight out. So yeah yeah anything else. They're more is the one who led the crystal onto the and killed all the colonists. Don Don surprise right right. I mean imagine that right. So you've got walking around. He's somehow contacts the crystalline entity while he can talk with a communicate with somehow. Yeah and and he can do it over very long distances as well somehow the however he learned how to do that. We don't know they didn't tell us but it it is possible while this crystalline entity is on its way to the planet of which the colonists apparently new That's when they get in a hurry and construct this this little alcove they deconstruct lore and they make data or Dr Seuss makes data like super-quick. Hurry or something I mean. They obviously had called molds air. You wonder if he was in the process of making soccer already programmed it right right so I yeah. It's the timing on. It's a little weird to me you know but Yes sir I mean but I need that prequel just for my own curiosity curiosity. It's probably not going to be a very good show. I just need it to so I just to fill in the GAPS A- All I'm saying but anyway that's neither here nor there for this particular episode backup on the bridge. West is there and he's talking to his mom and says yeah turns out. Data had to turn off war to which beverly is now a little suspicious because that was supposed to to be a secret right. Why would data so easily? Tell others about this off switch when he made it such a big point. Keep it a secret no time to think more about that. Red Alert to crystal and into the is on the way. Hey Laura is just marveled by its beauty. Wesley picks up on the use of the contraction is awful isn't it and the entity speeds closer user. Dun Dun Dun back from commercial the enterprises face to face with crystal entity card since data to question the other law data when. Wesley tries to tell everyone WHO This really is? But you know they still haven't learned their lesson from the last episode that United Matt. They really don't think he's more than just a kid. We get a whole lot of Shut up West lease which makes it bakes. It's the t shirts Matt. I mean this becomes. This becomes a thing star trek conventions you'll see shut up. Leslie t shirts you probably could buy. I want to be honest with thing. Shut up Wesley. Okay he's break kit right still but every every time he starts talking he can get a sentence or two out but every time he starts talking he complains. You won't listen to me because I'm a kid is like how. `Bout you start with the pertinent details. How about you tell them that? There's an impostor how about you tell them what's going on instead of just complaining about got it not being listened to right but that would be too easy right right. Well I mean honestly and I mean okay I get it. He's a fifteen year old kid right fifteen year old kid you and I would be like a captain contact you for a minute. You know or we would say something more than recommend you. Don't let it go and you very clearly say captain that's not data because that's what was never did he never clearly just went. That's not data. That's lor because as I mean he he did a good job of hinting at it for sure right but but he didn't say it and by the way after and I'm just thinking about this after car had that little little discussion data earlier about non calling him it and now. Here's Wesley saying. It trying to trying to get everybody in line some there but I do think I guess we haven't and seen any our signs of aggression from Lor right but I have to think that those going through who west as mind yet and let's like if I call him out here he's going to kill me somehow right maybe he has. Laser is or something I don't you know we we don't really know. That's that's the whole thing like the they're just so easily trusting this creature right for all they know like but they trust their own bridge officer. Yeah you know. That's the that's the craziest thing. And here's the thing and and you know I've I've mentioned. I often listen to podcasts. prepping for these shows one of the other ones had talked about yes. It was very funny to hear them all. Turn around and say shut up. Wesley First Card says it in and and then Beverley eventually says that even in sticking for Wesley and it's very funny right and it's it's skew it it's a good moment of relief In West even says it will just just tell me to shut up Wesley and I will like it. It kinda digs in but as funny as it might've been like unscripted onscreen. It's entirely inappropriate for card to do that. Like for as much good leadership quality this kind of one of the few bad ones that I see in him. I mean it's just inappropriate. He warned us from the beginning. He's not good with kids strew rikers job to make him look good in front of kids. So th this is almost I mean I don't want to pass the buck doc. But like is actually kind of part of rikers duty that when Picard brought him on. It's like you know you gotta protect me from the kids. Essentially as what he said and so like he he should step in here somewhere I think and and if not you know almost help a car to shut up right then a- and have this conversation with West like at least get in there an interpreter. Calm someone down or something right right. Yeah I'm with you I'm with you. I just I get it I get it but saw go back to. This isn't just a kid you know. Get all conversation already. You know. They've all kind of agreed upon this by a promoting him allowing him on the bridge right. It's like we know so you're more than meets the eye and so why wouldn't you give him the benefit of the doubt. Why wouldn't you let him speak? I get it I get that I'm with you and they should and they should have but they didn't And it moves the plot forward Wesley in and actually his mom is well. Book kicked off the bridge. So they head back to find the real data. Data arrives in the cargo bay to communicate with the entity just as it begins to attack and he and access plan Oh wait wait a minute. I'm sorry I jumped ahead. I jumped ahead and my notes. Yeah data data is data lor or the war. He's trying to communicate with the entity. You you know and and trying to enact as plan Wesley trying again we get the whole shut up leslie. They're put off the bridge so they go find date and their Wakeham and off they go to the rescue They're confronting Lauren. The Cargo Bay. There we go now. I'm caught up and it doesn't go so well as lor winds upholding Wesley at a phaser point or gun points or whatever that is Lor begins to monologue Aug- and he gets distracted and data jump into action forces lower onto the transporter pad just as West Beam some into oblivion Gerstle entity ones up moving away just as Picard. Since is Wesley back to active duty as a sort of apology without really apologizing. And we're left with the question. How human is data and is that a good thing? Reicher says we could could only be so well balanced yes nicely again. Seen what'd you think. First of all the big climactic scene the big battle at the end. It's like we don't often get a battle to to close out an episode. You know actually WanNa jump back to just seen before that one. Sure we get the idea like West was pretty much the only one up to this point that had any inclination that this was not data bright there was one point where Picard starts. Figure it out though Because like he tells them about the plan like Lord tells Zimbabwe Plan and Card says make it so right and he kind of gives them this weird luck and it's like yeah and then he goes off and Picard gives him that look and it's like and I had the same as smart as this is make it so is not really data out of a phrase. I don't think it's not really an idiom right. Yeah and if even if it is even if it's not one you're used to you've heard this I mean you know what this phrase means even if you've never heard it make it so yes weird way to say it but okay. I'M GONNA go do it exactly. It's not a common phrase but you can figure out right and so it just seems so weird that like I. Maybe this is a stretch but I can totally see Picard. Hard putting this in his captain's log somewhere in his personal blog or something and there's no doubt in my mind that when Moore was going through the computer he got all that information Asian so he would have seen this phrase before but it it I liked that it was in there that Picard hard would have some idea to give carden idea. Okay here's your hint. Not There's something wrong with this data and oh you should do something about it like I don't think it really pays off though because it's really west that takes care of everything. Yeah but yeah jumping ahead like you're saying to the big battles in the fight scenes have come a long long way from from the early days of the original series and I love to see that they've gotten some things figured out some things feel more natural to have th there's more things to interact act within the scenes and then once again if you think about it it's Brent fighting with Brent. Yes yes I like it. The prince fight. Yes anytime you say silent. Just listen a fight scene. I like it. I like I like CNN. We just don't get on that often. Well I was okay with it because usually when we did. They weren't done that. Well right back in the sixties right. So yeah we get a good one. We get a good one here and like you said he he he does. The heat is the whole Push them onto a transporter padden Zuma boy. He does and Wesley really does know his way round ship he really does. I mean 'cause I don't think the average crew member knows how to run to the transporter I wouldn't think so I don't know about that. I think it's I. I would assume it's more of a specialty. I mean I think all the engineers would sure sure sure I I. I would assume that that at least transporter one one is a class. You take it the Academy or Science Course at Academy or something like everybody's understanding of more as you and I have a basic understanding of how the transport is supposed to work right. Yes freak show up in a molecule molecule. zooms your crawlspace and reassembles molecules later. Yeah right and I guess in this specific case. They didn't really care where they sent him. Yeah so it's not like Ed program exact coordinates or something or did they even reconstitute them anywhere do that. For what can you to suspend somebody mid transport fort. Oh Yeah Okay Yeah you don't reassemble them. Just you're often. Do you know a bunch of pieces out there. I mean remember rural what West said he has gone per a lesser. Data's one of the two. He's gone permanently Yeah but again we come back to you know a real crappy apology by Picard Leslie and this question of just how human is data damp. Do you ever think about how human is data and you know I mean. We've Kinda actually already covered questions matt so I don't want to necessarily back into unless you have another thought that you want to add here of you know that becomes that becomes a APLOMB conversation as we go forward really what is data. What is life What constitutes life and and we'll we'll we'll we'll circle back to this at some point over the next seven seasons? I promise you that I believe so all right matt well. That's that's really it. That's the episode data lore a couple of things. Actually actually. These didn't come up in the end. The conversation at all in early Scripts Lor was actually going to be a female android. That would have been right and instead of being a sibling was going to be a love. Interest for data data Brent spiner himself who suggested the evil twin idea I think evil twin works better. It does. Well there's a reason they went for it absolutely does How we get a Lotta love interest for characters all over the place evil twin? Yeah we've seen it before but it's always a good story This episode marks Gene Roddenberry's final in writing credit on Star Trek. He's still around. He's still the executive producer. He's still running the show at least through season one and we'll talk about later on. But this is the final time where he gets a writing writing credit on the show And at the end of the episode picard references going for their computer refit. Did you know that at all says come on number one. We're late for our computer refit. Yeah there's something about that. Yeah Yeah we're not going to watch it but this is actually something that happens in like an EPO episodes later they find like like it's it's they have another adventure after this one and then like the next episode after that opens up with. Hey We've been trying to get here for a while and we finally have arrived. Yeah it's just a little a little nod to that. But that's that's GonNa be it for Data Laura I put this back to you okay. So did you liked the the episode. Is this one. You'd watch again released. Appreciate it for for what you got out of it for the history What what what do you think of this episode overall? I don't think it's going to be one of my favorites okay but at the same time I think I would watch it again fair enough. Yeah I it has a weird weird. There's something about it that I would. I don't know I think there's little details. I I want to go back and check out again. Just this is the second time through. You're certainly welcome to I'll venture to say at least as it sits right now. This is got to be in your top three episodes though of next next right I I think that's fair to say all right. What would you like to know what episode we're going to be watching is the fourth episode? Yes sorry about that Our next episode. We're actually going all the way to the end of season one. I said we wouldn't be in this season very long. And we're not all the way to the one the neutral zone right now. One thing you need to know this happened in the intervening episodes one of our characters is dead on. Yeah Lieutenant Tasha Yar is gone. She is dead dead dead in there was an episode. And I'll give it to you as extra viewing if you WANNA watch it. It's called skin of evil I don't particularly like this episode. I find the episode very boring. Probably not the right word but it just it's easy. It leaves me with a feeling. I don't find finding a particularly good episode but it isn't episode where she dies in the real reason. Why is because the actress who plays her? Denise crosby fell to that Tasha was kind of turning into what she considered a little bit of Beheira. Who's just the girl who sits in the background and it's like Oh communication open captain? And she just didn't feel they were going to do anything anything with her character and she didn't want to be that she asked to get out of her show so they wound up killing offer character and so she's gone. Wharf has been promoted to acting security chief. Okay until they get a new one so war is kind of standing in in that role so as ours ships personnel. Move that that's something you need to know as we move forward okay. That's good to know and that's actually perfect segue because I do have one more question for you. Okay go ahead. It's not specifically about the steps. I didn't really fit in anywhere. It's just something I noticed after watching Shantha episodes but he's always wearing this like gold sash thing. Yeah yeah that's the only one that wears her But it's he's always it's not like a dress robe high situation. Do you not recognize it at all. Should I yeah you should. Yeah this is. This is the sash that Klingons where this is part of his his klingon heritage. Okay and this is the same sash that core all the way back in and was that errand of mercy that we did in the original series. It's kind of a burlap sack. Look in on a sill. Yeah Yeah now you mentioned but it was like I guess it just just really stands out against his. starfleet uniform does whereas with the klingons kind of blends in with what they were wearing right. 'cause it's a part of it right and he's got a little if you if you look kind of up up on his shoulder he's got like a little crest on it. That is the crust of his house of his family. Oh so just like it's so it's it's just it's clean. It's part of the Klingon culture. Okay they wear these sashes in it has to do more with their house in their family and pride and honour. Well that's kind of cool day and keep that. Yeah yeah I mean I mean. It almost seems like they would I mean does this match well put independent it for for now Matt Circle Back to this in a couple of seasons because I do want to talk about that same thing but for now and this. This is just worse costume. Just see you know all right. STARFLEET UNIFORM SASH with his family crest on account it all right so I thought you were going to ask like what role all is worth actually like what is his actual. What is his actual job because well up to now he's kind of he's like the every man on the ship and we've I've seen him at the helm we've seen him at the science station we've seen him at security we've seen him and various places and when the saucer section separated he took command of the saucer section so he's just sort of a utility guy? I like all over the place. You know he's read. We've talked about the color. Change is red so he is is a is a command level officer. So you know That's him so win. Then when Tasha Yar goes down you know he becomes that that very natural the natural choice to fill in until they get new security officer so we have that but yeah the the neutral zone. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA be watching this episode. Yeah I'm not going to say any more about it I I am. I'm okay with that. I'm super curious about how you're going to take this this episode. But there's just leave it at that see this is. This is where I need like all my trek. He's like I don't have a conversation. With what do you think is GonNa. Is this really like like. Where's this going to go with that? So yeah we'll we'll talk about it then Matt But that's GonNa do it for this episode so thanks to everybody out there who are watching along joining us. The neutral zone is next. Just as we wrap up season one Matt on show the folks where they can get a hold of you out there on the best ways to is over on twitter at as a matter of Matt. And if you guys guys WanNa get in touch with me you can find me at Brent Allen live across all the social media's the show is at beam me up pod on twitter and over on facebook the beam me up podcast discussion. Discussion Group Where several new people have been joining that over there Matt and you have talks about what's happening here in the show You guys have that there also you can. The email is to beam me up pot at G MAIL DOT COM. Maybe get on one of our answering the hills episodes or if you'd like to pitch an episode do you think I missed one here over the course of the season one one. Should I go back and watch it or give it to Ms Extra Union competitors ideas or season two or getting ready to come on those as well. Should we watch the child. What do you think is measure man a good one? 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GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 227: V Wars Season 1 Episode 8

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GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 227: V Wars Season 1 Episode 8

"Golden state media concepts side podcast. Gather we dive into the world. Science fiction from APSOS Star Trek Star Wars, to the. Resident Evil all the. Science fiction movie from the factors marvel or DC. GOLDEN STATE MEDIA CUT SETS CY five cats. You'll never put get science fiction the same way again. Thank. Julian's GSM seeing sacrifice hard cast brought to you by the GSM GMC podcast network. I'm your host Alex. Today we're talking about the wars season. One episode eight entitled Red Rain. Is the episode tidal reference to the Peter Gabriel. Song from the nineteen eighties. Who knows not me. If you're interested in this video and have your own interpretation, there is a very eighty song available for you on Youtube. It is called Red Rain by Peter Gabriel. Maybe, it'll just enjoy the vibe of it. Maybe we'll find some meaning with the show. WHO's to say? This one was a little bit harder to pin down then the other episodes that were pretty clearly named after some different poems throughout history. Not sure where to place this one. Instead today we are going to talk about the events of episode eight where we're going morally slash philosophically how the characters are growing, and then we're also going to talk about the concept of actual Red Rain in nature, which is also often referred to as blood rain. We're going to see how that presents and different countries, and what it is actually caused by so buckle up. We are going to explore the mystery of Red Rain later on in the segment, but first. Let's go ahead and pick up where we left off at the end of episode seven. So We know from the end of episode seven that Dez is in that vampire internment camp. Rather. It's not specifically for Vampires or is the referring to themselves as being bloods and Verte LAX, but rather it is for people who are even suspected of having come in contact with someone who may have been exposed to the virus. This is contact tracing taken to a dark extreme where these people are being rounded up and placed in these camps by government officials. If you is have been following along with the news. Then you'll know that the real life component of the DNS is the. DHS Our Department of Homeland Security instead of the Department of National. Security as we have in the show as we've discussed in the past, the black lives matter movement and Covid nineteen are very strongly able to be viewed allegorically through the Lens of v Wars, and with these current events it seems to be more and more like we are getting into a V.. Wars type world, which is definitely not the future. That Star Trek promised me or the one that I was remotely even hoping for yet here we are so. So recently in the news in the US, the Department of Homeland Security has been seen in masks, camouflage outfits without identification badges, arresting protesters in Portland. Oregon now. This isn't just something that someone took from a side website on the Internet and decided to blow up. A U S Attorney for the Oregon district requested an investigation into it on this past Friday. If you're listening to this in the future, today's Monday's so this was three days ago that the Oregon US attorney has gone ahead and requested an investigation into this. The request has specifically been directed at Department of Homeland Security Our dns equivalent and the specific personnel who were on video, arresting protesters and funneling them into unmarked as you vs. That is almost exactly what happens to Dez. Although he is not even a protester, he just been attacked by a blood. But it very much. Is this concept of guilty by association or? Infected by association. And that's what's happening with Dez and with these protesters does isn't necessarily a threat any more than a log. These peaceful protesters are however because they are part of a protest, and because does had been exposed to or around this vampire, they are rounded up by DNS or DHS personnel who are not marked or identified in any way, and are then placed in two unlabeled or unmarked vehicles and taken elsewhere. Viewers truly seems to be becoming more and more poignant as we move forward and twenty twenty. It's really honestly a shame that this show has not been picked up for a second season. As there are so many parallels, and as we get further into this episode, we start to see even more of those with the political process as well as the DNS process. It's honestly super relevant in such a holistic way that it's striking that it didn't get picked up. Again so I know that a lot of people have expressed different opinions for Mine, regarding the pacing of the show, but I'm so here for it remember. First season is kind of like in my opinion, anyway the first chapter of a book. I will always read the first two to three chapters to get the basics of what's going on with this world under my belt and then decide if I want to stay there. Beginnings of anything tend to be more difficult than a lot of the other parts of life or Creativity and so for me getting that first season now the way is really important for the show. Just find its footing. That makes sense. I think of it as being similar to star Trek Enterprise. The first season, I was not really a fan of and for Star Trek Enterprise it took it about three three and a half seasons to really get its feet under it, but season four was so good once they had finally established a clear villain. And in the case of V wars, we already have a clear villain I think that we're on very solid footing to continue with a second season. However, that may look, but unfortunately that is not up to me. y'All know how much I love. My science heavy sci-fi. So, this is truly read up my alley and I'm not gonNA. Give up on it being picked up by someone else later on or a seeing, it continued in a different medium. This is the age of shows getting kicked off of a net flex and picked up by Amazon prime or shows getting kicked off of Network television and picked up by a different network or getting picked up by Netflix's then. One of my favorite comparisons to this is also Jag, so it's not sci fi, but I've spoken about this in the past. I did not enjoy the first season of Jag all that much. I didn't really connect with the female lead in a way that I need to connect with the characters who were main characters at least in order to continue with the story, but NBC dropped that show after the first season in like nineteen, ninety, five, nineteen, ninety six, and then after that CBS picked it up recast the female lead, so they went through and were like what worked for this before was what didn't work. Let's address those things keep things that work go through and scientific method this show, and then they picked Katherine Bell as the new female lead and that show on. On for another nine seasons y'all also. Let's be honest the first season of Stargate S G one had a few kings in it. You guys know the episode I'm talking about primarily emancipation, the one in which Sam has to hand to hand fight this man in combat to save all of these women from the patriarchy, but it's very much team America world, police and kind of white savior complex in that manner, and that's something that I enjoy them calling themselves out on in the episode two hundred where they're talking about them. Being team America world police by how they are being the. World police puppets, and they're taking this manifest destiny type approach. Also that same person who wrote the episode of. Patient in stargate up three. Also wrote the worst episode of Star. Trek Enterprise Enterprise is beloved by. Huns of geeks everywhere. However, there were some problems in season one personally. I was never a big fan of Tom Yar like at all, no offense to the actress who played her. That's not necessarily on her, but the same lady who wrote the worst episode of Stargate, also wrote the worst episode of Star Trek Enterprise. In fact, it has also been referred to as being quite possibly the worst piece of star Trek ever made. And that is a direct quote. So it has the exact same premise. Except it changes the group of people, so instead of Sam Tasha. Yar is abducted by the leader of this different group, and they are going to use her for their own means in increasing their power or status at CETERA. This episode was written by Catherine Powers, and someone named Michael Barone, so they were able to use this episode in both Star Trek and stargate so an st one. It is the third episode of Season One and in Star Trek the next generation it is the fourth episode of Season One and in that case, it is called code of honor instead of emancipation. Technically emancipation is often referred to as being episode four, but children of the gods episode, one and two, so it's a two part episode that was split into two, but it still called children of God's part, one and children of the gods part two, so I refer to emancipation as being upset three, but it just depends on whom specifically in the fandom you are speaking with when you are discussing the show, but roughly bear just about the same code, both in Narrative, and in placement, and they are both widely considered to be the worst episodes of their series, if not their franchises. My overall point is if you are with me in having seen these episodes and recognize how problematic they are, and how just narrative -ly not great, they are the problematic portions I mean that in like the sociocultural manner they can be considered by many to be downright of sensitive. They were not really properly handled especially, considering the fact that Daniels and anthropologists I expected a lot more from that, but again these episodes written by the same person. This is very typical nineties episode. And this person managed to wedge this same story line in two two of the largest Sifi franchises of all time in their season ones. So we don't have this problem again. After this season. One of each of these shows don't get me wrong. Stargate and star. Trek's still had their own problematic aspects through the years, and Stargate has been overall I think very good at calling themselves out about it in a very meadow way throughout the years, but that doesn't change the fact that these are kind of time capsules of these problematic portrayals, and they show us how far we've come, and still how far we have yet to go. But, even if we boil this down to just the narrative component, we can also see that even shows that started out with terrible plots in some of the episodes in their first season or dialogue that was problematic leg house Sam was portrayed in the first season of Stargate as g one, or how most episodes of Stargate and also definitely have star Trek. Don't pass the Bechtel test, but they tend to get better as this series. Progress and narrative. -Ly they really get their feet under them as they look back and go. Oh, hey, that was really embarrassing. And that was problematic, and we totally misjudged that and we mishandled that that's not direction. We WanNA take. Let's course correct. And v Wars is not nearly as bothersome to me in their season, one narratives as some of my other favorite Scifis, Lake stargate and Star Trek. Are you guys know how much I love both the shows? I talk about them constantly in real life as well as in these podcasts. But. My point is that I've heard a lot of criticism about viewers narrowly and I really don't think it's that much of a problem. I think that a lot of the socio. Considerations and the scientific and political considerations, and this direction of viewing vampires as being an EPA genetic trait for vampirism, rather than just having a fantastical origin is really fresh, and I very much enjoy it. It's what I want in my Sifi and I might be in the minority for that, but if you're solely judging it on its narrative components, or these other types of issues that may have been shared with stargate or star, trek season, one or anything throughout the rest of the shows. I think that viewers definitely has its own strengths, and much like those shows were able to course correct and become hallmarks of our favorite genre that V wars should really be allowed to do the same if you haven't seen viewers yet, and you were just counting down the days until I finish talking about VCR's. You're really missing out and I. Hope that you go and check out this show. Go ahead and watch all of the first season. There aren't that many episodes and I think that you really might fall in love with it. I never listened to rotten tomatoes or anything like that I almost always disagree with them, but I mean don't listen to just Meyer Review, or these other reviews on the Internet. Go out and watch it for yourself especially, if you like science, Heavy Sifi because I think that you may really enjoy it. All right. We're going to go on a quick break and when we come back, we are going to talk about what happens in this internment. Camp Stay tuned. What to find out what movies to go see can check out the GS MC movie podcast. It's your ticket to the latest movies whether it's a new blockbuster event, romantic comedy or action flick. This show has got it all covered. They talk some what to go. See now. Don't bother. What's hot on Netflix's and everything in between. That's GMC podcast. Dot Com back slash movie dash podcast when it's all about the movies. It has to be this new show. Don't forget to like us on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. GS MC PODCAST DOT COM for more INFO. Success? drips four. I was. Discussing some similarities with other sci fi shows that people thought had a rough first season, but went on to become a hallmarks of their franchise and know that this might be a bold statement, but I think that Vive wars has that capability as well even if it doesn't turn into a franchise per se, I think that it could be a very strong series within this genre, if more people gave it a chance, and if it had offend behind it, like shows like the expanse did. I also was discussing how there are increasing parallels between the wars and real life as twenty twenty progresses. So in wars, episode, eight Red Rain, the one we're discussing today there are people being pulled into internment camps, just due to association or being in a specific place at a specific time by the Department of National Security just as there are people being picked up for the same reason right now by unmarked agents from the Department of Homeland Security in Portland Oregon. So we were discussing the convergence of. Art and real life and how they imitate one another, and now we're GONNA. Talk about what happens when Luther goes in to try to rescue Dez and what happens with Kaley as well. So I up. We know that Dez is in this tournament camp. We know that he actually has been sick. He may or may not be turning into a blood. He may or may not be one by now. Luther. Is Hell bent on saving him. He is going to rescue him. No matter what Jimmy wants to the point that Luther held a gun to his own head and threatened to kill himself. If Jimmy Dean, not take him to save Dez. First Luther is not about to live a life without his son, and he's not going to save his own life at the risk of his son's life. So luther goes in with Jimmy and they shake things up a bit. ranted Jimmy stays on the outside of the camp, but that is eventually. We see better for all involved. As Luther goes and breaks into the camp. He does find. Right, before does is almost attacked by a giant man who has recently turned into a blood. It appears then once someone turns. The DNS. Agents are walking them in a separate caged area. Within the overall caged area. But it like they missed this guy, so he goes to attack days after asking them to take him with them, because he hears likely that they're escaping, because remember they have super hearing, and so he tries luther that is to convince this guy that they're not escaping, but then we see that he's actually a blood, and he goes to attack them at which point bless his heart. Luther loves his son above all else an pushes Dez behind him and tries to fight this blood, but even in a match with this guy before he was turned into a blood via exposure to the prawns and the EPA genetic changes. I really doubt that Luther could've taken him. So Luther tries anyway, though was his heart, and I love to seen it. It is so wholesome and I love how much he loves his son. Even while he is getting, his butt kicked super hard leg. He is captain, Kirk or agent moulder. Now on the bright side. The DNS agents do break up this fight, which would have really quickly led to Luther Steph and examination. But on the other hand, it's not super great, because now the DNS agents seeing Luther and recognize him so one of them had actually worked with Luther before at the DNS facility, and definitely recognize them, and luther gets really upset with him and is like Hey, man. You tried to kill me and the guy shrugged off, saying hey, that wasn't my call, so he's using that. Excuse of. I was just following orders. I find this to be very interesting and deliberate on the part of the writers, because this phrase is also known as the Nuremberg defense. It is known in multiple languages in very similar phrasing like in German. It is translated to an order is an order. And it is a plea that use in a court of law that is saying I should not be held guilty for my actions, because someone and Higher Authority than me ordered it to be done whether that is an official who told firefighter or civilian to do something or a superior officer in the military or a superior official in law enforcement. It's also referred to as the Nuremberg defense because it was a plea used during the Nuremberg trials by folks who were accused in nineteen, forty-five to nineteen, forty six, and if you're not familiar with Nuremberg trials, those were a series of military tribunals that were held by the primary allies after World War Two. And it was during these trials that the prosecution of very prominent members of the Nazi party were tried. These trials were also held under the London, Charter of the International Military Tribunal, and it established that that defense of saying hey I was just following orders or superior orders, or an order is an order. Is Not. Enough to escape punishment, it is perhaps enough to lessen punishment in a court of law, but it is not enough to completely abdicate responsibility for your actions. There is still a component of choice or free will that's involved in those situations. Now the Nuremberg trials are the most notable use of this defense, because it was such a departure from all of the other types of warfare that have been waged in the past. That's not say that people weren't incredibly violent or homicidal in the past, but rather that humanity had taken. Fighting and aggression to new levels at that time, and these atrocities were so great and so difficult for humans to wrap their minds around that. We really had to take a new approach with this in saying hey, yes, I was told to go ahead and straight up murder. All of these people based on their ethnicities and their beliefs and their sexuality and so on. But you know I was just following. Orders were saying at that time. This that's enough. There is no way that you can go through and be the person. Who is responsible for killing all of these people for putting them into the gas chambers and such and just walk away from this totally. Scott Free it's unconscionable to do so. This isn't something that you can walk away with a clear conscience from. And because the allies are who won World War Two? The axes was primarily who was charged with these types of mass atrocities, although the allies also committed mass bombings like the bombing of Dresden. If you aren't familiar with that one that was carpet bombing by British and American allies in a region of Germany called the state of Saxony and Dresden was the capital city of Saxony during World War Two. This happened from February thirteenth through the fifteenth in nineteen forty. Forty five and it's considered to be controversial partly, because Dresden was not a really important location, four production for the Nazi Germans, so it wasn't important for producing anything that was related to more time. It wasn't a major industrial centre, and before that air raid in February of Nineteen, forty five. It hadn't even suffered a major allied attack. There didn't seem to be a very solid military reason for bombing Dresden Too many it was primarily considered to be as soft target a non-military target it was considered to be primarily a bombing of civilians, and it nearly raised the entire city to the ground. It also became a symbol of what was referred to during the war as terror bombing, because it was meant to promote terror rather than to accomplish any other military strike related goals. It was mostly undefended. Dresden didn't have any anti aircraft guns. It was a really old city and a report that was made on it in October nineteen, forty four said that it wasn't really good as a potential bombing target, and stated that compared to towns of its size Dresden's and unattractive blitz target, but four months later in February of Nineteen, forty five. It became the target. It's thought that this is largely due to German troops moving through Dresden in the early part of nineteen, forty five. They think that that was to fight the Soviet army who were advancing at the time, or perhaps to reinforce their forces somewhere else. It turned out to be a key transport junction at the time, and so Churchill and his war cabinet made Dresden their primary strategic target. They felt the bombing that city might slow the flow of Germans and also speed up the Soviet Army, getting there to fight. Germany So they thought that bombing Dresden might help. The Russian were effort to. If, you look at the National Archives. They also suggest that there might have been another reason for choosing Dresden. They think that the. was going to help impact morale. They wanted the civilians to perhaps be so traumatized by this carpet bombing by being constantly under these physical threats to their lives that they would stop believing that they could win the war and therefore stop supporting the war effort. We had seen this happen on both sides in this war, already in attacks in London in Nineteen, forty, two, forty, one coventry, and forty one as well as in Hamburg that same year, but that actually made people more determined, not less determined, and that was three to four years before super. Perhaps they thought that it being later on the war effort, it would make more of a difference, but it seems that empirically. This head shown to in fact have the opposite effect before. This was also right after Britain had gone through the blitz, and had been randomly bombarded by German rockets and Hitler had gone through Warsaw, said the British Leader's knew about the Nazi treatment of the Jewish people in the concentration camps and went through and made this decision at that time. But, the fact is, they were also largely still being civilians, and if that secondary reason is true that they were trying to traumatize the residence, which is very much a war tactic. Then that really is an act that's meant to promote terror. It's estimated that three hundred thousand refugees where in that city and Churchill has been quoted as saying it seems to me that the moment has come when the question of bombing of German cities simply for the sake of increasing terror, though under other pretexts should be reviewed. He is also specifically stated in memos that. That have been recorded in history because we do keep those types of things in the US that quote we should use available effort in one big attack on Berlin and attacks on Dresden late Zig and shipments, or any of their cities, where severe blitz will not only cause confusion in the evacuation from the east, but will also hamper the movement of troops from the West. And specifically in another memo, he advocated bombing Dresden and said quote. It will cause great confusion in civilian evacuation from the east and hamper movement of reinforcements from other fronts end quote. Now if you'd like to read more about judgment at the Smithsonian, I think that it would be very illuminating. Your read throughs of sci-fi books like Kurt Vonnegut Slaughterhouse Five, in which he excoriates them for the bombing of Dresden in feeling that it was unnecessary to do so according to him and I think it also has a lot of relevance for V, wars and perhaps many other movies out there like district nine that really explore. The different moral and ethical considerations of more. But this book is called judgment at the Smithsonian. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It's edited by Philip Bill and you can find it on Amazon. Dot Com, it is a subject of band history, and it's the uncensored script of the proposed fiftieth anniversary exhibit at the Smithsonian of the Enola Gay. And it was prevented by Newt Gingrich and a lot of other politicians and several different interest groups like the government, the military, and even the media all banded together to get this historical and socio, logical and anthropological exhibit totally rewritten to reflect. A morality that might not actually be there depending on who you discuss it with, because remember that history is always written by the victors. But atrocities can still be committed on both sides and I. Tell You all of this about World War Two and so on because it is increasingly relevant as we make it through these last few episodes of the wars, there are things that the humans do and the things that the bloods do, and from our perspective looking at it as humans versus bloods. I think it's really a lot easier to take that bit of distance and go. Hey, neither of these approaches were necessarily the best approach, or no these was necessarily entirely ethical, now granted I've had this argument with many different people over the years. Really Good Friends of mine included whoever vehemently taken different viewpoints than I have. Some. People argue that is never moral or never ethical, and so therefore all bets are off that. There's nothing off the table, but International Criminal Law says otherwise so it really depends on your understanding of Criminal Law and ethics and philosophy as well as your personal values, regardless of where you fall on these lines related to World War Two. I think that V. Wars has a lot of parallels with these philosophical components that are related to world, War Two, and I highly recommend this book judgment at the Smithsonian to give you more perspectives in approaching understanding history, and also to understanding and enjoying Fi. I think that these parallels are very interesting and compelling, and it's what gets me to watch Saifi. And after all those who don't learn history. Are Doomed to repeat it, and that is also one of the elements that we are saying in viewers. We're GONNA. Go on and another break and when we come back, we are going to talk about what Keighley's is up to. And how Jimmy ultimately gets Luther and does out of this sticky situation with DNS agents who are already trying to claim the Nuremberg defense. Stay tuned. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is. Nothing less than our podcast lists with endless hours of podcast coverage. From News sports music fashion, looking entertainment, fantasy football, and so much more stopped lurking around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to build that podcast is. Whatever it may be, visit us at www dot Jesus MC podcast dot com follow us on facebook and twitter and download on Itunes, soundcloud and Google play. Just. Four the branks were discussing the Nuremberg defense of saying hey, I haven't done anything wrong. Because I was just following orders, and what ethics and morality really looks like inside of a war whether you are taking the approach of the victors, which history dies, or whether you are considering a different perspective that perhaps both sides can commit atrocities, even if one side is fighting for the right things is doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. Still the wrong thing or is it? The right thing does the reasoning. Does Churchill's reasoning for carpet bombing Dresden. Is that our dividing line for weather? This was something that was necessary and help us ultimately bring an end to the war quicker and prevented more loss of life, or was this something that was just as horrible because it was meant to traumatize and promote terror, and had already been shown to be ineffective from nineteen forty to nineteen forty one. It, all depends on where you specifically fall in your understanding and familiarity with history as well as your personal values and relationship with philosophy, ethics and morality. But it is very interesting to see how that parallels with v Wars especially as we see, folks already established the Nuremberg defense before even being put on trial, it's just casually dropped by this DNS agent defense for having been assigned to previously kill Luther. Even though there was no great reason to do so as far as we can tell from watching, we've already spoken in previous codes about the United States history with internment camps on their soil, but just like this is going on. On in Portland with people being snatched up by unmarked unidentified government agents and being put into vans, we also currently still do have people children who are being rounded up and put in internment camps, and fences and cages throughout the United States. So this is very relevant, and I think that V. Wars also serves as a very pertinent reminder that these things that seem so horrifying in the show that are just flat out blatantly horrifying, having predators in same cages as these vulnerable people. It's a lot clearer and easier to Palette for many people than it is to go, hey. There were four thousand, five hundred and fifty six allegations in four years alone, regarding these children placed in two cages, the immigrant children who are placed into these detention centers. Some of these sexual abuse is said to have come from guards. Some is reported to have come from staff members or even other miners that are in these cages with. Regardless there is the presence of predators amongst a vulnerable population, just like Mary is in v Wars, but when you put it in terms of vampires vs humans, it's easier for many people to understand the black white nature of this, and it's easier for people to Palette and just accept as oh. This is bad, but when it comes to children being placed in cages on American soil. And reporting sexual abuse and many even going missing children are just somehow lost, or rather disappeared as we would refer to them in anthropological context, related to people who were killed or disappeared in general in Guatemala between Nineteen Sixty and nineteen, ninety six. Over two hundred thousand people disappeared. And many of them we still don't know where they are. They're suspected of course to be dead at this point and twenty twelve. There was a complaint filed with the inter-american Court of Human Rights and the government was ordered to provide reparations and produce a film about the missing people, but the state refused to cooperate in that regard. Now I know about this. Because I majored in forensic anthropology and one of my best friends did a special research project on this, but many folks I find as an adult have not heard about this, especially adults my age, because by the end of this dictatorship in Guatemala. It was nineteen, ninety six, and that was the end of those appearances, and at that time we were about seven years old. So for many folks around my age millennials. They aren't familiar with this. Having happened at all. But adding to the inner American Court of human. Rights this is very much. A human rights violation, but it's happening right now with children in the US. I'm not saying that they're necessarily dead, but they are disappeared. We don't know where they are. So again. History is written by the victors. It's really written by those in power is what we mean by that. and. We're living history all the time. Today's events are. You know next decades history even tomorrow history. It's just more distance in time between us and the events that make it history instead of current events, but as their current events. We don't tend to care as much and we call it by another name. But we do have these vulnerable populations of emigrant children, being held in cages and exposed to predators, and also disappearing, and these are all human rights violations that are recurring here as we watch. But it's. More clear to folks in wars, and that's the importance of sci-fi is that it helps us illustrate these concepts to people who might not otherwise agree with us or have a framework for building to that level of understanding. That's the power of the allegory. It allows us to not only put history in context. But also current events. It gives US LENSES TO SHIFT OUR PERSPECTIVES. So I wasn't intending to turn this into an episode, regarding why I think that everyone should support viewers for a second season, but that seems to be where my heart is taking it tonight so here we are. But this show is strongly allegorical, and we also see that in this case of the Nuremberg defense already being flagged that Luther is probably going to be dead in this case if it's not for Jimmy, so Jimmy goes and instead of following in after Luther Calls Senators row and tells her what's going on and gets an immediate order to get both luther and Dez out of that facility, and he shows up right before they are about to really handle this incredibly poorly. Things are not looking great for luther when Jimmy, rides in with that order from senators row, and also having another court order or something sign's kind of federal order, stating that he gets to take them into custody as an FBI agent. So Jimmy narrowly saves the day and it's a very great seen that showing us how politics is really strongly about to shape this. We've largely. Military or the military aspects of the government leg the Dina's and the FBI so far, but we're about to dive into politics, and it's about to play a really big role in this conflict, just like it does in real life. So. Jimmy does right in to this conversation in a really kind of weird way. The way he's sitting in the truck does not seem to be the most effective for getting out of it, considering he has such long legs. He seems to kind of be riding. In the window of the truck with his legs, sticking in the window, but the truck door closed. It's very strange, but Jimmy does get there. and He hops out of the truck and gives them the order, so he is able take luther into his custody, and they're ultimately on the road towards senators ru. Now Kelly on the other hand is not having as much of a great time as she thought she was going to. She being fed on by Eva, and the other chuckle head, who she had stumbled across while out looking for Michael, vein. So Michael and Danny are back from their trip to go to the exclusive nightclub and infect the president's daughter. They have somehow found out that she has the vampire gene, and so if they expose her to the pre on's then she's going to turn, and so they're making a targeted military strike to appeal to the emotional nature of the president, and to try to turn the tide for them. But while they were gone. Eva and what's his name? have kind of been torturing Kelly Bet so Kaley is screaming to try to attract attention and Michael, and Danny come in there, and find her with her neck, a bed, and pull the gag for her mouth and stuff, and she tells them what's been happening, but also that she wants to take down DNS because they kill Jurgen, and now they definitely have a mutual enemy in mind. So, this is the new goal that seems to be uniting. Most of our groups that we considered to be heroes or even anti heroes. We have a soft spot for Michael at least I do because he seems to really be trying to ethically and morally. Surf through this morass of new problems. He's facing as a leader and as a brand new vampire and I did mean morass. I mean this man is essentially trying to serve through a bog. Why it is really difficult. He's doing his best but Michael does not seem to be entirely equipped for this, and honestly who would be equipped to suddenly be turned into a vampire, and then be told that you have to lead all of them, so I am with Michael and a lot of these aspects. He's trying to find the ethics and the middle ground here even as he is discovering who he is. As this new species or subspecies. Whatever we end up deciding that they genetically are. But it seems that Danny wants to take down. Whoever because dancers in it for the power? But she's going to go along with most of what Michael wants to do anyway. Michael Want to take down DNS because they're awful jerks, and they're largely responsible for killing auto bloods. They're rounding people up. They don't care so much about. Doing what's right or protecting people or they wouldn't be rounding of vulnerable people and sticking them in the same cage with these predators. So I'm not saying that everyone in the cage is a Predator, but rather potential predators. They have no regard for whether or not. There are dangers in there. They're just going. Hey, you're not important enough for me to care about whether or not. You're in danger. So we have Michael. Wanting to them down can lean on wants to take them down. Luther definitely wants to take them down because they murdered Claro. Hagen and everything, and now we're getting to meet senators, sausage, rue and we are seeing. She also wants to take down Dns, and she asked Luther to testify at a committee hearing to help take that organization down for going off of the path that they were assigned to, and maybe even blowing up their own facility in order to kill clear O'Hagan and the other evidence. So does seems fine. He seems to be cured. He's not sick anymore, but he's also not a blood, but he's not super keen on being involved in this anymore. We're going to go on a quick break and when we come back, we're going to wrap up. What's left of this episode and also talk about Red Rain? Stay tuned. In TV has changed over time. Streaming has become the new norm. That's why golden state media concepts television podcast dives headfirst to the world of cord. Cutting wants to be on the Lube of Watson hot and Netflix or if it's not a preference, what about original shows in Hulu we've got you covered. Join us as we filmed the blank and talk about movies to stream, and what show you should be binging? This is golden state media concepts television podcast. started. Split. The break we were talking about how all of our heroes and anti heroes are really converging on the common goal of wanting to take down the DNS the bloods WanNa, take them down reva leaks. The media wants to take them down. So does the politicians senator sausage zero, and so does the scientist Luther? Suon, so does seems to be all right now, but he isn't really. Showing any signs of being a vamp or of anything else for that matter. His fever's gone and he tells his dad. Hey, we need to find mom because she took really good care of me and she killed the guy, she outright killed a guy to save me, and she was totally justified in it, but you know she loves me and she did a really good job and I'm worried about her out there on her own. Separated from her because of a vampire. So. That's mostly what's happening and there's a few scuffles on the way to get to senators. You House including a guy getting shot and. Some diner on the side of the road that they stop at to get food along the way, but overall it goes as well as one can reasonably predict for a caravan of feds in an apocalypse. I suppose especially seeing how bad it was earlier when luther was initially trying to track down Dez, and there are just squads of everyone in the St. there's DNS being unmarked rounding people up. There's bloods fighting people. There's vigilante gangs that are out there and just killing anyone. They suspect to be a blood as well as people walking around with shotguns and such and shooting people they know are definitely bloods, and maybe also possible bloods. It's very similar to how they kind of do. Things in movies related to zombies where it's like. Hey, you look like you're about to turn, or you're definitely turning or have turned. We're going to go ahead and kill you. Move Right now before this goes any further. Some folks aren't waiting for that confirmation whether they be vigilantes or the DNS. Kaley, and the bloods doe once they are paired up. Are Really strong team and nothing is going to stop that firsthand information from getting out. Kaley didn't have a lot to lose beforehand. She liked money and she liked power and status, but mostly she seems to be driven by that thirst for knowledge and truth and exposing the government, exposing other people letting the general population know what's going on. She thinks they have a right to know. And so that is what Lee has wholeheartedly dug into. Now that you're gone is gone. They unfortunately gave her nothing left to lose. They were over here, worrying about martyring Michael Fain or not martyring him, and instead they have weaponized the head of Reva leaks. So not for their benefit, though it's just really activated super angry, efficient caitlyn mode so now Kaley is doing QNA. Session with Michael and Danny and also running A. Video series, not even really a series, but it's like a series of vignettes and stuff about Michael Danny and their life, really trying to turn it into almost a fluff piece, certain points, promoting some form of empathy, or at least sympathy and some type of. In the minds of humans as it relates to what bloods look like so they have them talk about their families and such which is, you might expect me. La does not take very well. It is class, a propaganda and media. Pr Type Work, but it also has an lot of side effects that are not necessarily what they were going for. Sumida is quite upset and. Everyone else is still trying to sort out what is true versus what is fluff? There's propaganda on both sides now. Those Machines Are Getting More Well oiled all the time. So this is really leaving us with an ending in which luther has gone through, and he has established staying at senators. Ruse House because she has staff to make sure it's safe and everything like that and she has a daughter. That's right around. Dez Is Age who's about to be coming home from her boarding school and least I'm thinking. It's boarding school since they said that she was coming home from school. School and it's the middle vote apocalypse so I mean I wouldn't be sending my child. We've closed the schools for Covid, and they should likely remain closed for quite a while I don't think you would want to reopen them or even. Send children part time for hybrid classes during a vampire outbreak because again. This prion disease is a pandemic after all, even if it is impacting people at the EPA genetic level. It's spreading very quickly, and it is caused by exposure to these preowneds in a respiratory manner or via bodily fluids in some cases. Show win. We have that established and the kids are hanging out the hearing noises at night and something's spooking them. They think there might be a creature on the grounds, and we ultimately have luther being convinced by Socia- to go forward and testify. About what's going on with DNS and how he suspects that Kayla Lacks A. Really responsible for the death of Clare O'Hagan. So, when Luther goes before the committee to testify, it seems to be daytime I. Think where he is, but it's like night-time where the kids are, and that's kind of confusing because I was under the impression that this committee hearing was taking place in Washington and that they were in Pennsylvania so I'd. It doesn't seem to be enough of a time difference to offset the day versus night thing, but perhaps I've just missed some other visual cues. Each time I watched though me and the people I watched it with. More both confused about the timing of what was happening. And why, in this house of seemingly tons of guards and protection and stuff as senators Rupe, that's it. No one seems to be worried about these kids just like stumbling around in the dark and doing. Whatever like looking for Vampires at night? No one else seems to hear the noise that the kids heard either. About you that makes me question how good these guards ultimately are! But I also wonder. What is happening with the timeline for Dave versus night again? That could just be me, and it's not enough of an issue to be a dealbreaker, and anyway I'll just have to watch it again and see if I pick up on what's going on and even if it's an editing oversight. Honestly it's still a lot better than emancipation and code of honor and I do love stargate and Star Trek, so it's already not nearly as bad as those shows where with their problems in the narrative storytelling in season one. I'm just saying. So? We have luther in before the Senate and he is ready to testify, but. Kayla six nicklaus comes in with Rachel who looks very wild item panicked and he sits down with her with his arm around her to make sure that she can't escape. And Luther is struggling to figure out what he's going to say. And it's a little confusing because he doesn't seem to have a strong attachment to Rachel and it's not like. Nikos could outright kill Rachel while they're sitting there. At least I don't think so. He would have to do it with like some kind of poison or something like that probably but. You know it's freaking out. Luther, even though he's not closed his ex wife anymore in the last time he spoke with her. She didn't even tell them she had his kid with. Her, and also before that she got in a fight with them, and then a DNS agent had to pull a gun on him so. You know before that she was trash talking. So I'm not really sure how strongly he supposed to feel about Rachel. It feels like they're taking it in the direction that he is perhaps going to be with Rachel again romantically in the future, but I feel like we didn't really get to mourn his other wife Jess that well, so it kind of is ruining that a little bit for me I'm totally fine with him. Moving forward moving on, it's just. I don't know it feels a little bit weird. It almost cheapens. Luther is love to me and it just very confusing because he doesn't seem that upset about just. Really upset about Rachel, perhaps getting killed. So I don't know. There seems to be a lot of animosity between them. So that was a little bit confusing and tone, but you know it is the mother of his kid whose life is at stake right now. Rachel's life is at stake, so he's trying to decide what he's going to say or if he's going to say anything at all. And senators ru starts panicking because it's just like the Senate Judiciary Committee meetings if you watch those whenever they are on. C. Span or CNN or whatever on the news I watch them sometimes on the Internet as well because they do record all me, but they're not necessarily televised, so I like to watch those and see how their approach. It helps inform me on who a would like to vote for and. I also just really informs me about what's going on in our political processes outside of what they are targeting for us to see. So I recommend checking out if you're interested in that manner. I also know from watching those that those are timed so senators zero is also panicking because luther only has a specific amount of time, and she is also only allotted a specific amount of time on this schedule in order to get all of their points across and the person who is running. It is very clearly on DNS his side and is not wanting to give them any wiggle room. It comes across as very bipartisan in nature just like any. Senate Judiciary Committee meeting. That I've seen on television or the Internet has been in the past as well. So if you are into politics, I also encourage you to check out those Senate Judiciary Committee meetings and see want parallels. It has with this subcommittee meeting. I like to watch a couple of different subcommittees to be honest, but the judiciary committee meetings are my favorite to observe and I also lagged to read the Skoda's blogs like to read why Specific Supreme Court justices have. Voted for again something if they dissented and it seems like something that's outside of how they would usually cast their vote I. WanNa know why and I learn a lot about their reasoning in that manner, and I learn a lot about the law, and what else is going on in the world around me, so if you're interested in that aspect of VCR's, I encourage you to check out those Senate subcommittee meetings, and if you are interested in Senate, subcommittee, meetings or Scotus, blogs or negotiations or drafting treaties i. I also encourage you to watch. v Wars it is a very interesting study in trying to make ground between two parties that are very much, seemingly diametrically opposed, and whether you are vampires vs humans or Democrats, versus Republicans in the House and Senate. We very much are seeing many of the same parallels between viewers and the American government today I am out of time it to talk about Red Rain today, but I will make some post on social media regarding that Red Rain in Russia and Longa. I hope that you have time to check that out and learn more. Thank you for listening to the GMC FI podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network I like to ask you to subscribe to the show and writing a nice review always really helps us also if you could please follow us on facebook, twitter and Instagram, I'd appreciate it. Thank you kindly and have a good night. You're listening to the golden state media concepts sci-fi podcast part of the Golden. State media concepts podcast. 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Pet Sematary (1989)

Chat Sematary

43:54 min | 1 year ago

Pet Sematary (1989)

"Everyone chat cemetery is back. I'm your host. The anna chapman and i'm joined today by katie schaefer to discuss the nineteen eighty nine a pet cemetery directed by mary lambert. This is the first of multiple adaptations to come of this story and you know it shows its age at times but otherwise pretty solid adaptation went you agree katie. I agree with all of what you said. I it shows its age but i remember watching watching this when i was really young and it was terrifying when it was much you know when the time it would have been a much more you know visually usually it would have looked more stunning whereas now we know we've seen a lot more but yeah i liked it. I enjoyed watching it again. Yeah and it's one of those things where you get some big names in this movie so you know just looking back on it. You're like oh wow they really went for <unk> with the names in as far as the main three go which would be dale midkiff fred gwynne and denise crosby as your three adult characters first and then you have gauge and ellie which gauge was played by miko hughes and elliott was actually played by twins so you have blaze berdahl word all and her twin sister whose name i am totally blanking on right now but it was basically because of the way the child labor laws are so it's easier to have twins because you can have one onset and then when they have to be taken off site. You could just put the twenty eighth and right. I found that very interesting thing because it's like you know what that's really smart. And how often do we see twins playing the same role as children. I don't know how often it is more often than you think <hes> yeah. I guess but i didn't think usually happened at that age. I thought usually is babies but i was surprised that they were still doing it with her. She gotta be like seven six something like that yeah. It's one of those things where i think you know. Full house is kind of the prime example of that with the olsen twins playing playing the same character and you know. I don't know if they're by far. The most famous twins to have done that but they're the ones that immediately come to mind for me at least same same <music>. I'm sure there is others by for kids are air for people. We're not kids thankfully for people our age. It's always the olsen twins yeah absolutely and just the fact that they were able to get fred gwynne in this too. It's like okay. You know here's this guy who is massive can in comparison everyone else and yet he was still able to really just make you think he was the one and only judd crandall yes i. I totally agree like fred. Gwynne was such a already an iconic figure this time <hes> you know he's her monster and he is able to to take all of his talent and really work it into this small small character that has such a big impact on the story you know he's but he has the perfect like main back country. You know simple man who's grown up and stayed in the same place as whole life and it works so well and i think that is a a big part of why the movie succeeds much as it does yeah and just a quick note. Berdahl is the name. The other sister was totally blanking on that. I was like i know they both start with b. and it's getting like that but i didn't wanna say anything without being totally sure rained. I really think they just nailed the casting for this. Even having zelda be played by the you know sort of like the scrawny male and just putting all of this stuff on him to make zelda look as creepy as possible who is rachel sister in case anyone he is listening to this and hasn't worked but you should probably stop the podcast now. Go watch it because we're going to spoil over because this movie is thirty years old something like that you've had time. What did you find most interesting about how well this cast worked together. It feels like such like a late eighties cast you know with the people in it had their biggest moments accepting fred gwynne the two do <hes> the married couple in it have their biggest moments at this time. This was when denise crosby was on star trek so and that's what she she is of course the most well known for generally and i watch star trek religiously as a kid so watching it when both when i was young and now it was all all i could think of this as tasha yar <hes> but she does a decent job. I think i think dennis crosby skills as an actress really lie in something that's more dramatic atkin less naturalistic so she does a decent job in this but i don't know that she is the most perfect choice for the role. He'll take thank <hes> but he does a good job. I really enjoyed him. As an actor. He's <unk> dale. Midkiff is the right amount of upset and engrossed in the whole idea of it of the pet cemetery young all bringing people back from the dead <hes> but you still believe leave him as a doctor and his emotional responses feel very <hes> accurate to the situation. He's in so for the most part. The acting in this is is great and that baby <hes> miko hughes is so perfect for the role. He's very adorable but very creepy yeah and that's another thing where you know the child labor laws came into play because they actually used like these practical dummies dummies of him for certain scenes. You know they weren't going to drop a child out of the ceiling or you have a child you know fake it even fake stabbing judd crandall so they took all of these different precautions to not traumatize him because he was so young yet and and they did have one incident. I believe onset where they were just like. Oh boy we just traumatized this child and it's one of those things where you you have to find that fine line to balance a child's role especially in a story like pet cemetery because if you read read the book and obviously he had not read the book by any means at that age or had it read to him i should say because he probably wasn't rating to begin with so you have the story stories that someone his age at the time couldn't really understand and you just have to sort of really work with him to get sort of these thanks for the performance out of him and they did a lot of different practical tricks like they didn't actually have him in the road when the truck was coming down the road even though obviously in the final product it looks like that so they had like mirrors and all these sorts of things and and it was just really interesting how they handled especially the children on the set because of the nature of the story and lake. Thank you said denise crosby. She does a fine job with the performance and obviously they've really liked her in auditions and that's why she got the role. That's why most people get role and it's funny. She just showed up in a show. I watch in suits and i was looking. I was like she wasn't a stephen king thing wasn't she it because i was totally blanking on what it was and then i went and watched the documentary unearthed and untold packed pet cemetery. Which is you know where we found out a lot of this information information about how the movie was made and i highly highly suggest watching that a about an hour and a half so it's i guess kinda long given that the movie it was probably only about the thing so it has a lot of interesting tidbits in it though and it's definitely worth your time especially if if you're a huge fan of pet cemetery and just finding out all of those things was a fun little way to be like okay so we really understand dan how this cast came together and then you have things happening like random famous people just visiting the set in addition to all of the non famous people who apparently could just go visit the set because it was nineteen eighty nine and they didn't have like eight thousand rules like they do now so you have charlie sheen and kareem abdul jabbar has showing up and hanging out so there's that right it was it seems like it was such a bizarre set to work on probably be they filmed a lot of it in maine and which is an i especially then it's not easy filming versus filming in hollywood. You're dealing with small towns. You have to work with the local people fool and yeah. I imagine the set would have been just a very chaotic place and even more than that like they have. They say say that if as an actor you never wanna work with kids or animals and they had both in this film and they did some really amazing work with the cats who to play a church yeah and all of those performances out of that cat i was like i i just wonder how even getting this cat to be so angry. I hope it's not actually the angry and that makes the tricks that they pull to make this movie. Come off look even better so even even with all of the visitors to the set and the local people who they interview in that documentary who obviously were like stand across the street and stare out while they're filming thing like they still managed to pull off quite a lot and i think we kind of have to give that to mary. Lambert who was able to make this chaotic thing. Come into one very we've well-done adaptation. Oh absolutely and you could tell that she definitely had a vision for what she wanted this story to look like like on the screen and with the screenplay being by stephen king it was one of those things where you know sometimes those things work out well sometimes they don't we saw with maximum overdrive that when he wanted to direct something and maybe not so good yeah maybe he is is someone who is willing to let other people take on his work and he doesn't need to be as hands on with it but then sometimes he just really likes a story so much in this one was one that was intensely personal to him because a lot of the events that happen in the story happened happened in his life. They just had different outcomes. You know obviously no one was coming back from the dead so you know none of his children died right right. I mean they had a scare and one did run out into the street in front of a truck but the child is fine so right. I believe that was joe. Hill l. rights book okay. I figured it was either joe our owen because they said it was one of the boys and either way. They both write books so it's like okay yeah great. Thank you thank you for evatt <unk>. Yes yes. It's it is his most personal. This character feels very much like the persona that king presents himself to be as a writer which insures you know we all have a work face and writers more so than others i think usually and he really sketches out <hes> <hes> lewis as a very down to earth thoughtful guy who isn't really believing a lot of what happens until it happens and forces him into it you know and i liked that because especially when you learn that the initial idea for the story came from his own experiences it fits in so well and that feels very very lived in story although it is a very a basic and simple story and lake this is what happens and it doesn't go into a lot of his other books like let's say it where there's so so much going on every rings yeah restore sobek and encompasses the whole town whereas this for king especially is a very small story about one family the neighbor yeah even his lewis's work at the school is secondary. Obviously it gives you the whole story story line with victor pascal and him sort of coming back to haunt lewis and he has this rough first day at work so there's just just so much grief in this story and when you typically talk about how well a movie is adapted from a book when you have the author writing the screenplay play obviously he's going to want to keep a lot of what he loves from the story and the only thing i've ever really wanted out of a pet cemetery adaptation is that exact ending that they have in the book which we don't get either time so there is that and they did reshoot the ending. I believe leave two or three times for this one so they did have some alternate endings planned out but from what i can tell there is one that comes close to the ending in the book where you know rachel puts her hand on lewis and just says darling and the book ends and you're like yes so so could because we don't need more than that right. We don't know what's going to happen. That is the truly powerful thing about it. We don't know what's going to happen with her or what. She's he's going to do or how it's gonna all come out sense. It'll be bad but we don't know and i think the pet cemetery does an okay job bob with the ending yeah because i i think in a novel that kind of subtlety that kind of subtlety and abruptness to an end can work better than an movie we because movie fans often they want more closure right oh but i still think it might have been more powerful all and more affecting and honestly that's really my one complaint about that obsession of this because it does everything else pretty well. You know like we talked about. Most of the performances are pretty. Dang good and you. You have the story which is pretty in line with what the book gives us and you know to me. The book is like a five out of five you know it was just a fantastic story as yes well paced and everything so to have this movie come out a few years later and have all of these expectations has built up. I would imagine you know obviously i had seen the movie. I believe before reading the book because i watched this then. I went to watch the new one and i was like okay. I'm pretty familiar with the story and even if i hadn't watched this original and full before recently i still knew kind end of what to expect because i think it was one of those movies that you know you kinda catch glimpses of on t._v. Especially like around halloween time you know they're always playing the stephen king movies on t._v. And yes halloween friday the thirteenth all those movies so i've definitely caught glimpses of this but i never really really sat down to watch it all the way through and i was surprised with how well it stood up to yeah. I agree i mean i i watched it like i said i watched it a sleepover and fronts house i was probably i don't know eleven maybe and at the time and up until i watched it again. I watched it a a couple of months ago and then i watched it last night at the time before though rewatch is i still was like oh no that movie is too upsetting. I can't handle <unk> out because of how much it reeked me out as a kid like i was very anxious going into the watch and then after i watched the go okay no oh this is not the terrifying thing i thought it was at that age for me now leased and then so i was kind of a little disappointed and then i re watched it again again last night. I was like okay. I can see how this is a really good movie because i was able to let go of hall all the previous experiences and look at it as a different the film and i was surprised at how good i thought it was because it is very eighties those shoulder pads and all these outfits. They are very large. <hes> it's still works so well and the victor pascall scenes well. It is totally an eighties with the special effects still still work. It's still creepy especially the <hes> the makeup and the gosh. What are they the pieces on the piece on his head with how it's on a a stall looks very realistic his job every juror yes creature effects and it's really made me feel good that the movie was was actually better than i remember from watching it even just a couple months ago because it was like this is one of the stories that i totally agree is one of king's best and deserves a really great adaptation. The reason it stands up so well to is despite it being set in the eighties with the giant shoulder pads like you said and all all of those cars that come with eighties right. It's a story that is still one. You can relate to today not necessarily you know the animals the kid coming back to life but as far as the grief goes and parents losing a child you can understand why they're feeling all of the things that they're feeling in. It's is not a story that is so rooted in the time period that it wouldn't age as well right. I agree. It's very it's kind of a timeless nameless one that works no matter what era it is especially in the scenes where judd tells the story of the young man who died and whose dad brings him back to life as is named tommy bragging out and timmy i think and he goes into this great great detail on that happens in the book as well and the book takes place a little earlier than the movie does because the movie sets it in there what was the present day and so that kid is a veteran turn of world war two and it is horrific in the book and i thought they do such a great job at channeling that in the movie but they don't make him a world war to vet and they just kind of he's just back. He's at some more and comes home and it still works. It's still upsetting in its still creepy and the movie is your the story is easy to adapt to whatever time period you want yeah. I actually forgot about one other thing that i noticed that was pretty absent in both adaptations but in this one it surprised me that they didn't have judd's wife norma in it at all because she is alive in in the book for at least part of it if i'm not mistaken and you get to know this character a little bit and you have l. a. going over and asking questions shins and all of this curiosity in the book that i guess maybe just for the sake of time they didn't want to throw in that other another be plot basically right and it's always the old ladies that get cut out of these kinds of stories i've known since i watched the new one and i saw that they of course we don't get norma in this. 'cause i love that character in the book and i think in the book he uses that to really develop the background round meaning behind this story which is about learning about death as a young child and learning how to cope with it and then how you can vary negatively cope with it by literally really holding onto the bodies of people that you loved who are gone and the healthy and not healthy ways to deal with that norma is the person who you know in the book she dies l._e._s. Learn to deal with that grief because there's no bringing norma back. She's far too old and so nice. It really really underlines the whole the deeper emotions in the story and so to a certain extent the film feels like it's lacking that emotional depth that feels much more like just just a horror story than the deeper levels of engagement that the book gives you having norma in the book to also gives you this added element chewed dude judd's character in the movie. He's all alone so he really clings onto the creed family and kind of looks visit them as his surrogate children and grandchildren in a sense but when you have norma present in the book you know you get why the judge is the way he is and why he's not even going to bother trying to bring norma back. It's like he understands the power of the mic mac burial grounds and how they can dry you to them but because of how long he seen these things happening. He's sort of just like yet now now. There's no point but with lewis. He gets so attached that he's like a half to do this. I have to save them. All yes and i think this adaptation doesn't doesn't go into the background stories behind it like the wendy go that stephen king puts in the book or the more supernatural aspects of the mic mac burial ground under the reasoning behind the supernatural aspects and so it does feel a little like. Why did you tell them about this. He wasn't bad cech coach. He knew it was bad. Why would you do this and so and they give it a couple throwaway lines of like oh that place gets india and it's like but there's that never feels dell's as important as it is in the book and why that makes everything so much more evil and dark so it was like i did notice at this time around that it that felt a little short because you're just kind of asked to just accept it. It's fine cohen enjoy other things yeah. Definitely i want to talk talk a little bit about some of the other things that i'm just now remembering that they cut out because in the book you see a good amount of lewis's work life but they cut got a bunch of that out in the movie you know he has this work friend who comes by a lot after gauges death and you don't quite get that as in-depth either again. I understand why they had to cut some things out. Even if pet cemetery isn't stephen king's longest book. It's still ah pretty hefty book as far as how dense it is with information right. It's cramped packed with story which you can't say of all of his books but this one is it deserves serves the space that he gives it. I think yeah and you and i recently talked about the tommy knockers and that was a longer book that felt like it had less story in it. So i understand what you mean by you know this one was packed and not all of these stories are necessarily that way but with this one it felt like there was an importance importance to everything he was telling us in the novel and then when you get to the movie it's like okay. They are definitely going mostly for practical affects here so a lot of the supernatural elements and things that we've read about in the book. Maybe those just weren't going to look as good in nineteen eighty nine in on the screen and we'll talk about visuals in a bit here but story wise. There's always so much more in a book that you can't cram into a movie. Even if you look at you know like harry potter they had seven books eight movies and they're still so much that they couldn't even pack into those movies because the books get longer and longer pretty much as you go and j. K. rowling just has sort of this detailed purpose for a lot of what she puts in the books even as they do get longer you're like oh wow i forgot about all these things and the same can be said of this story for stephen king. It's like he put all of these details and because he thought they were important to understand what it is about this place that religious draws people to it and keeps them coming back and we don't quite get that in the movie but we get like you said those few throwaway lines and i think dale midkiff sells the performance october. You're like okay. He is really consumed by this us. Yeah i think that is kind of the saving grace of that. They you know i'm sure it was cut for time and it just couldn't be included and he he is entirely reliant to be the one to bring that to the screen and you're right. He his his face his eyes. Everything about him is is strained and tense. As soon as you know as soon as gauged is he has on a mission and he's going to do this and then and you know he finds the gauge. Maybe doesn't work so well and then he immediately back into it with rachel and it feels like you can almost sense it in him. As the viewer you can see that he's under some kind of spell yeah he sort of gives the most. I guess you could say visceral sarong performance just because of all of the physical emotion you see coming out of him. You know he is going to the cemetery. He he is digging up gauges grave to get him out of there. He is carrying his wife and you know he's doing all of this literal heavy lifting adding to rates because it's not like they could c._g._i. These bodies on to his arms and he's not actually ashley really holding much at all instead you know i think this is a good time to just talk about some of the interesting things they did visually with this movie because he's not carrying denise crosby when he's carrying rachel he is carrying a dummy of her basically and she's wrapped in a blanket so that's kind of irrelevant whether or not it's a real person under there or not and they created these molds of the characters that looked so so lifelike they even did the same with judge when gauge stabs him and you know his mouth is all oh his mouth is all destroyed and like disgusting. Yes and you have these different sort of puppets of gauge because they're like okay. We are not going to traumatize his child and make him you know pretend to stab judd in the face. You know right is not going to do that and let's not of some of it looks so real and that's why it stands up pretty well too because does they didn't try to do anything as far as like technically trying to use the computers to make the stuff look better instead. They're like we're. We're going practical. They even created an entire facade for judd's house because the house across the street was much smaller than what king describes in the book and it was a different style of house too so you really need to nail that down and they literally like burn it down on and it's this facade in front of an actual house so you have to burn it down without burning the other house and you just have all of these things that you you don't really know about until like you and i did we went and watch that documentary i mentioned which by the way is on amazon prime so i will link to it and again on. I highly recommend checking that out because that's where we got a lot of this information and it is very very interesting to find out how people do things because they specifically typically mentioned. That gauge had no stump person you know he can't because the sun person what have we had to get a three year old stunt. I think so any doubt they do the dummies are done very well doesn't mean that you can't tell bright why is like the scene where he and part part of that is definitely you know it's a dummy because no one is going to drop three-year-old basile burnham's just not going to happen you know so part of that is just kinda impossible to suspend your disbelief so you're more likely to notice but in the other scenes where they used a dummy like it's not always as able to tell because it's more that like you said they don't want to traumatize this kid so they'll just show his face. You know he'll be making aaron angry face and then he stabbing judd in its body doing. It's a dummy doing the stabbing yeah. They'll still get a lot of facial reaction shots from him. So corrosion is happening offscreen technically right right lynn lake so it's like when they show you know they have someone dancing really well but that actor can't dance crowd so it works generally and i think the practical effects are really impressive for the time and i mean even for now since practical effects are kind of not it used as much as they should be. I would say so learning about all that really made me impressed with how well they were able to pull this off especially the building the house thing around around the other house that was and they had footage of it and you could see the differences and it was really nifty yet. They did a lot of work to make sure that at this looked as realistic as a supernatural stephen king story can lock right one of the other things just the makeup that they did you know all of the foam mm-hmm that they put on the actor who played zelda to make that spine look is discontinued as did and just to make him look so sickly sickly and then you have victor pass cow's head wound and you have denise crosby coming back from the dead as rachel and just the way her face looks and you know you have all of these big makeup effects to that just look so good for the time time and i would say the only visual that stood out to me as something that dan age super well was when they kind of like superimposed victor as as a ghost sorta and you're like <hes>. I don't think this is working as well as he wanted to but it's one thousand nine hundred nine so we're going to let it go and i don't. I don't even know if superimposed is the correct term. I'm not like super up-to-date on my film terminology so it's kinda like that's what it looked like basically yeah. It's not as bad as like the star wars <hes> like the little projections they have people that move around right the holograms grams yeah but it's not not too great either as now i felt about it. It looks like someone has a light projector and that's other probably how they made it happen with mirrors and stuff but you do think at the time. It's like oh well. It did all right at least you didn't just kinda they tried put a real person in there you know and then use some <hes> weird very simplistic effects to make him look ghostly so it was that was one of those like okay guys. I'm just going to give you give you a pass on this but the other thing i wanted to touch on with the special effects all of those outdoor scenes where the path through to the mic mac burial ground are very creepy and <hes> climbing up those giants shown blocks over a quarry and all of that just they they make that look <hes> just incredibly dangerous and scary and like you look at it and you think oh i'm not going to be doing that no thank you and yet they're lugging dead bodies through it and there's ancient old fred gwynne who had to be in his seventies just climbing up these giant ryan stares and and he really did that yeah so you gotta give it to the man for still being spry at that age to climb upstairs that come up about his waist so and he's very big dude so that says something if it comes up that high especially just climbing up that section where it's like all you know the tree tree branches in the sort of driftwood deadwood yeah and i was really impressed when i was like oh oh that was actually all real and they actually did all of that work themselves and it shows in the movie too 'cause. They actually looked tired. Yeah i've made it was <hes> i i hope they only had to do one or two takes hopefully and the lighting the other thing. That's really well done as the lighting in this at a it's bright rights when it needs to be at points where <hes> like you can clearly see what's going on with gauge even at night <hes> but when they're going through the burial ground everything is very foggy and the light feels almost <hes> overcast everything but it's all in it's still keeps everything everything in shadow and when when the blue light is coming through the dead fall that is so perfect because it's all highlighted by the fog and it feels very creepy yeah. Is there anything else about the story or visuals that you want to touch on before we dive into you know like box office budget numbers and some final thoughts no i think we touched on most of it. So what i found interesting about. The box office numbers for this is that this is is the fifth highest grossing stephen king movie still even after wow. The remake came out this year. So it's domestic total gross i was almost fifty seven and a half million and it just slightly beats out the remake by like two and a half million give or take so so even in nineteen eighty nine. This was a story that people went out and really wanted to go see despite how absolutely absolutely creepy and not for children even learn children in it but you know just running down the top five here you have pet cemetery chariot five misery at four fourteen eight at three which surprised me but i think that more has to do with the time period it was adopted during and who they they had in the cast their so yeah you have that number three you have a big gap between that and the green mile at number two and then an even bigger gap between between the green mile and the it remake from twenty seventeen yeah that one just busted through all expectations and we're all excited for the second one i i'll will be willing to guess that one will be even bigger yeah with it chapter to dr sleep coming out this year. I'm definitely expecting some shakeup in this top five here but yet to you have one of the movies from the eighties still be in the top five as of the time. We're recording this. I think that's pretty amazing and obviously lead the twenty nineteen adaptation was a bit of a bummer for a lot of people and that is one that it'll be a while before. I talk about that one but it we'll get there yeah. We'll we'll get there eventually and i just really think that a lot of these movies sort of fell into the like thirty million to fifty million range just because of the time period for most of them you know carry made thirty three million the shining made forty four and so on and so forth orion right and is that <hes> in today's numbers or is that the numbers a like they actually earned at the time i want to say it's what they earned at the time time because i if you adjusted kerry for inflation it would definitely be more than thirty three million given it was the seventy s it right and it was huge food yeah a huge movie that was what catapult that was one of the things that catapulted him into being considered one of the best horror writers working today which is live now and i mean in the eighties he was like on everyone's bookshelf everybody read stephen king and everyone was excited for it and the man is incredibly prolific so he he was putting out a book year if not more yeah and this one. I think this movie is kind of iconic. I you know my. I can't think of anyone who hasn't seen it or hasn't like you said seen little bits and pieces of it on t._v. Or just watched it on t._v. Here this is such a well well known story for stephen king and sets kind of a standard for what we can expect from his films <hes> for the eighties you know which is kind of blood in that which bled into the nineties for those who have seen a lot of the nineties t._v. movies and now i think the it remake set at the standard for what we can expect from the good you know the dark tower definitely set the bar for what the bad can be and is still made a lot more or money then a bunch of the older movies which makes me believe that yet adjusted for inflation because the dark tower made a little over fifty million so it puts the eight spot doc but really as a success. It's nowhere near the eight spot right so i think it's like you said it's still really impressive that even i know this is like this was a big movie for him and a big movie at the time it's still in that top five now with god knows how many adaptations winds between this one and it chapter two which is coming out and no eight weeks that they have forty three movies listed on box office mojo under the stephen king brand so that's yeah. I wonder if that counts all the children of the corn now just to that i see okay good good. We've we've discussed in the past. Our thoughts on the children of the corn movies yeah and sell is on the list but it doesn't have like any numbers associated with it so i think it's pretty much anything that got a theatrical release because like the lawnmower man and lawnmower man two are on this list. Even though stephen king is like no those aren't mine so there are some imperfections with this list so let's call it forty movies with actual figures that are actual stephen king adaptations. Wow that's incredible. That's it's very impressive and as you and i know there's way more than that because of all the children four movies and yes how long my spreadsheet is for this podcast. Yes and i do love the fact that it's mary lambert and the story of how she thought this part as director because she could bring the ramones because she does a lot of music videos even now she does a lot of music videos <hes> and one king heard that as you should know if you listen to this podcast and are any kind of king fan he loves the ramones almost as much as he loves a cds. I and you know because she could bring them. In lambert got the directing job and she just hits it out of the park with us and i believe king himself was very happy with how the movie turned out and we can't forget that he played a minister. That was his cameo. That's right eddie so great at it. Oh it's so delightful alight ful yeah so needless to say this movie is pretty grim and even though it was made in the late eighties it still gets all of those emotions that you feel when you read the story across or at least enough of them for you to be like yes. This is the sort of adaptation i'm looking for when when it comes to pet cemetery and you know we mentioned a few of the things that were in the book that we would have liked to see an adaptation and obviously with the remake. We didn't get some of those things still so it's clear that there are certain aspects of the story that people just don't want to adopt for one reason or another yeah that for i i think sometimes it's because they just seem to complicated to put into the movie and sometimes it's just preference and i agree that there's some things that i would really love to to see in the movie that would probably push the movies length to be two and a half hours which i don't know this that this book deserves a two and a half hour adaptation even even if it includes all the stuff i want yeah that would be asking people listen through a lot and you know there are some movies that people are clearly willing willing to sit through for nearly three hours like vendors and game and whatnot but rate not everything needs to be that long no <music>. I'm always happy when i go to a screening and i i'm reviewing a movie. I'm like how long is the has them and i. It's less than two hours and i see it's ninety ninety minutes. It's a celebration like oh awesome ninety minutes movies don't movie star like never ninety minutes and if it's good and it's ninety minutes then like i am just like this. Is you get five stars because my i rate on a tense at ten scale. Okay so it's it'd be two and a half stars. If you're just a five-star star person yes so last thing here then. What did you write this movie. I would say this is probably right now in my life and it might change if i watched this a different time i would say this is a three and a half out of five for me. Okay i have it at three out of five but that was before watching the documentary and not having angry watched it again before doing this podcast like i said i had watched it or you know really watched it for the first time. When i went to go see the remake so i wouldn't say i've seen this enough times to just be like very firm in my writing but on first impression i was like okay. This is the three out of five five. You know they did a lot of things that some things out that i would have liked to see and it stands up pretty well. Yes i agree. It's something that this'll be a fun movie a <hes> to show my kid and i would say a year and a half. He's he's a captain animal lover so it's really it's it's more scary. If that's how you i think it's just it's have to cancel our house <hes> yeah so i would say three and a half is definitely of that's a good rating for me. I don't give things super her high ratings unless i really like them. Oh absolutely well katie. Thank you so much for coming on to talk about pet cemetery today that wraps this episode. Oh you can follow chat cemetery on twitter and on instagram. It's just chat cemetery there so you can just search that and we should pop up if we don't well. I don't know what to tell you but we should so there. Is that and we have a patron. You can donate to the lows tears dollar a month. 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Episode 270: Star Trek S1 Ep28 vs Star Trek Discovery S1 Ep1

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Episode 270: Star Trek S1 Ep28 vs Star Trek Discovery S1 Ep1

"Yeah. While the distance. Existence. Joy. Star by tactics. Zimmer back to. Say day Jays blow dufuses and doofus S's walk. The pop culture continue on this John Elliott, and this is Patrick McCarty. And this week we are doing Star Trek t US versus Star Trek day. Yeah. Star Trek the old shit versus Star Trek. What's it called discovery? I think it's the original series. What's what's really weird is? When it aired. It was called Star Trek the original series as if they knew things we're going to happen. I know. Well, gene, Roddenberry has always thinking ahead, man. I mean two year twenty five twenty five I don't know when this is supposed to take place. Sorry. I was little under the weather last week. So it's my fault. We didn't do a podcast spent. Most of my time listening to Michael Jackson and our Kelly on massive loop all week. Yeah. So that was fun. So we're do you picked well before you told me what upset ran do? I watched the first episode have you seen that not for a long time. So the only person on it is Spock there that the other cast is on on Netflix. They call it the first episode, but it's not really the first pilot that was the pilot, and you couldn't see it anywhere for the longest time the head cut pieces of that out to make. I think it's like the fifteenth episode of the first season called the menagerie. I think something like that. And they had captain play. Who's in that episode? In a chair where he can't talk. You can only talk with little like lights, and it's it's some kind of trial about what happened. But yeah, I have not I've not seen that in a long time. It's weird are not missing anything now now. So instead we did episode twenty eight to city on the edge of forever. Which when I was a kid. I really liked this episode. It's it's has time travel in it, which even now I always like, and it has June cones, which is interesting to see her. The show. I don't know why written by Harlan Ellison. Yep. I think most people know this episode if they know Star Trek so bones injects himself with waiting much of some drug like a fucking idiot accidentally, and he goes like bat shit crazy. And then there's also time ripples going on. So they go down to investigate coming from on this planet, and of course, crazy bones jumps right through the portal into the past. So which ends up changing the future. Boy before we go four, go talk more before he jumps through it Spock and Kirk or trying to figure out if they can use this time portal to go back one day, so Kim Jack themselves. Yeah. But it seemed like he kind of just got cured with rest. So why was it? So important they go back one day. So he doesn't inject themselves. They're not doctors who knows what? As bones fund of pointing out. He is a doctor. Although in this one, I think he says surgi- surging not a psychiatrist which was funny. For some definitions of funny. Yeah. So anyway, so then they jump into try to find bones in the past and undo what he does. And and hilarity ensues. Right. That's basic plot. And then they go back to the nineteen thirty six nine hundred thirty was it something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Nineteen thirty. It was pre World War Two and right after right during the depression. And he apparently during the Prussian there were like in these flop-houses there were older eighteen forties. Prospectors did know you. Learn a lot the guy with a beard. Yeah. Good job making fun of homeless people who can't shave, but whatever you being also had the homeless prospect or hat, and he was panning for gold in Joan Collins. Yet, one another great thing I learned from this series is. Is that pacifism leads to fascism, something we all we all kind of suspected? But I don't see anti anti-fascist being pacifist. I see them punching Nazi. So I think it's true true. So pacifists, you're you're gonna lead us all to hell that was the message of Star Trek. I believe from this episode. What did you think of it watching it now because there was problematic parts for sure? Oh, well, I still liked it. What what pro problematic? Oh, well, how did they explain spock's ears to the people in nineteen thirty that stuff? He was Chinese. But he got his ears hurt in a rice machine accident. Wait, wait. And luckily, there was an American there to save him. That would that was that was the story of spock's ears. They came up with. But it didn't seem like. After he told his story Spock was like making fun of him for it being so stupid offensive. Maybe not offensive just stupid. I think. Yeah. It was a little. Underbidding for a show that like went out of its way to cast people from all. Different races and cultures. But I guess you can you can explain it away by saying he figured the people in the nineteen thirties were racist. So he was trying to be as racist boss, and I thought of that. But that didn't come across. As that. Anyway, that was my main problem with it other than just the general cheesiness of it like I'm kind of. I was seven when Star Wars came out and saw it in the theaters and stuff, and so like, even as a kid this show looked cheesy as fuck, and it was so far behind the times with it's your tush, a rocks and everything. Yeah. But this episode specifically didn't have as much of that since it was set in the there for much of the episode. But yeah, but when they're on that planet, and the whatever that the the living time machine was all that bad, bad, practical effects that. Yes. Star Trek's famous for. I don't mind that stuff. It's just kind of used to it just like the ship. It's a seems like it's about to fall apart. Well, and yes, and I think just the the level of storytelling with so much more simplistic on the original Star Trek than than what came around when I was growing up. So right. Yeah. But I do like this story. It's the the idea that when the times changing one thing will cause such such a big difference. As is a fun time travel idea that at this point. I don't know how much it was investigating science fiction stories, but not in like pop culture stuff that you know, obviously, it's been talked about much. More since then. But right, like be Philip k dick stories somewhere, but or Harlan Ellison's short story Harlan Ellison short in fiction science fiction. I'm sure there was like an x minus one reference it in the in the fifties. But I'm just saying like in something is widespread is this the first investigation of it in it had it had a tragic ending to. Yeah. Well, and and science fiction is one thing that like it's kind of like comedy where it doesn't hold up. Well, because just because of all the. Advances not just in like special effects, but the the more intricate storytelling that we're used to nowadays and stuff too. But because if you go to like, fifties SCI fi movies. I mean, they're all God awful. And but the fiction is not as bad. No, no, I'm I'm talking specifically, movies and TV. Okay. Yeah. Because you were too young remember. But like after Star Wars was such a hit. They started doing all those TV shows like space nineteen ninety nine and battle star, galactica and Rogers Rogers. Yeah, it was much that was when I was a kid. I think maybe maybe watching a rerun book Rogers was eighties. So yeah, I remember buck Rogers, and that was really good. Yeah. We should do that sometime because. He might change your mind. I think even as a kid of a certain age it was enjoyable because like I didn't pay much attention to the story. It was just like oh, this looks knee at signed action shit. And then he maybe one or two years later. I tried to watch. Maybe this was a later season. This is why. But it was so boring. It was just hard to sit through. Yeah. It was like Phantom Menace or something like the menace. Anyway this episode. Yeah. It did have. I mean, tra- tragic ending for TV at the time for sure. Yeah. It's not something you'd expect for for like, this this character who the entire episode is is kind of is friendly someone you like, and then is killed despite the fact that she's Joan Collins. Yeah. Well, you like this was before Joan Collins was dynasties, Jim Collins. So you could still I mean, they they put the vast Lima lens may had close ups ever. So you knew she was pretty. Yeah. I mean, why else would you put vastly in Orlando unless somebody was beautiful. And she was the pacifist that we were talking about earlier, and it turned out that well another thing. I mean, I can't hold it against it. Too much. Just watching it. Now, you know, it's so it's so corny, but. This. I mean, it had more to do with the constraints Tanya, strengths and anything. But like fifty minutes to story, right? In fact, then a two porters were not were frowned upon. Yeah. And and Kirk falling in love with her after what seem laya two minutes was a ridiculous, it it will advance the ending. Yeah. Even we're ridiculous McCoy was in love with their after thirty seconds. Yeah. For sure. So so they ended up in this flop house that she runs I guess, anyway, she's she's a do gooder even though she says she tells them, she's not. And it turns out that bones men now see now, I'm getting confused bones. Talks her into talking the president Roosevelt at the time into not getting into World War Two. The bones. I don't think bones had anything to do with that. Yeah, I'm Han. Because bone that's why they had to undo what bones did we'll know bone saved her life. If said and saved her life that what it was. Okay. That's where I live to be able to talk to the president. He didn't convince you to do anything. It was just okay. Is there to save save it from being hit by a car? Gotcha. Okay. That that was where my confusion set in. I was like why is she listening to bones? Yeah. That makes more sense. Maybe the story wasn't simplistic and uses don't understand it. I think both can be true. Yes. So anyway, so it ended up we didn't America didn't get into World War Two, and the Germans one, and blah, blah, blah. Well, they got into too late in time to lately and got into it. They had the nuclear bomb or atom. I'm sorry. So no more Jews in that world. Thanks. Thanks, Star Trek. He may not happen. So it's okay. That's true. They yeah. Kirk said that. Yeah. So so in the end Kirk lets her die right by being hit by a car and bones. All mad because I could've saved her. Jim. What did you stop me? Do you know which end and William Shatner got the look give us that you know, that look of anguish. Yeah. 'cause when says, you know, what you did do you know, what you did Spock delivers the final line. He knows he knows. I do want to say I don't understand how William Shatner was ever a working actor I will say in this episode aside from the problems with the script and falling in love quickly. He was better than usual, better than usual for sure. But still watching him everybody else around him is his and he it's just like so bizarre to me. He's like a throwback to at like he wants to be a silent film star or something. I don't it's amazing. How good Leonard nimoy is. It's I mean, maybe it's compared to him. But he is so good as Spock in it every time. I watch this show. It amazes me. How good he is. Yeah. No letter need moist great everybody else's fine. Like, I said, I I think it's just bizarre that. Shattner got the lead. But it, but after watching that pilot episode, this is a million times better than that. You know, I don't know that I ever saw pileup. So now, I think what I saw menagerie which is really boring a couple of times. But I don't think I ever saw the the real episode. I should watch that just to see what it's like when they say, it's awful demand trap. It's on it's on. Yeah. Well, that's what makes it confusing because they call it the first episode and you go through looking for episode twenty. It's actually episode twenty nine. Yeah. Right. I mean, you should watch it just to see it isn't fucking weird. It's just weird knowing this show and not seeing anybody but spoke on an Spock even looks different on it. So. He's got a much weirder. Bowl haircut going. It's like gear bowl haircut. What's that was the actor who played the captain as bad as shattner are worse. He's probably better than Shatner, but he also like just on a purely acting level, but he had no way of a Mantrap. It's called the cage. According to what I'm looking. Oh, yeah. You're right. The first. Yes. So the show is is Mantrap. But the first episode that didn't air the pilots called the cage. Oh weird. Because that episode also could have been called the Mantrap. You'll see when you watch it. I think he didn't have any charisma that first actor, which you know, chatting, there's at least memorable. What whatever became of him, of course on the. In the movie kept him playing. I think I forget it plays kept up lake. The not the the the reboot. The reboot one with Chris pine oh ways, captain pike on that. I think so I think he's back to that. That's weird. Well, it's history using memorable character names, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Well, those who don't know their history. Bruce Greenwood, yeah, that's the guy. He played captain pike. Glad we got that cleared up. Thanks. Yeah. I I don't know. Like, I I don't need to watch the original Star Trek, I feel like ever again. I've I've probably seen them. All I mean, they showed them incessantly when we were growing up. And even though I didn't like it. I watched them all. So. I'm sorry. I'm looking at the cast one governor, Scott. That Scotty, no. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Wait. But I betrayed by James doing right? That's who that seems doing a Scotty. Yeah. They're saying he's portrayed by someone in the reboot. I don't know what you're looking at. But I don't either I'm looking at the cast for the original series, and it showing Montgomery, Scott. Scotty. I don't know what the fuck they're talking about. It was James doing when covers got is the name of Scotty. The it's the characters. I why didn't click on anybody else or I would've known. Oh, I didn't know bones. Mccoy's real name was Leonard Leonard McCoy, they like basically named him Leonard nimoy, he didn't get that part. And just check with a spock's. First name is the forest. Yeah. See it's like one of those Kennedy Lincoln things I like how it's just Spock which Kirk introduces him as in this episode. Yeah. You could see him trying to think of first name like it's so hard to come up with Tom GM gym or something it was the first name he gave himself he made up a name to need for some unknown reason. Oh, yeah. I think he did. I know it was like, dick, dick, trickle or something a real person a real person was he is Senator or was he the car race race car driver. Maybe he became a Senator who knows another out is at the same time. There is a Senator with a funny name. I don't remember what it was though. Spank MC bottom. That's spanky. Spanky would've made more sense was the gang kid law grew up. Yeah. I don't know you you enjoy can you watch this original series. I have no interest. Now. I don't I mean, I can. But I don't have a lot of interest. I didn't have a lot of interest of watching this. I I thought about not watching it and just talking about my memory from watching at twenty years ago. But I didn't think that would be fair. So I watched it. Yeah. I mean, I probably could have done now. I wouldn't have gotten all the I didn't even get it. Right. Having watched it. So I I didn't pay one hundred percent attention to it. Because it's kind of boring. I do like this like the the broad aspects of the story. But watching it is I guess is from the sixties and it's slower that's part of my lack of attention span. But it's now. And it sixty seven so you'd think like with all the LSD going around. They would've spice it up a bit. But it I like the I like the concept the execution is just it's of that era. So at you know. I didn't love it. But you wanna take a break and talk about STD. Sure. Okay. We'll be right back. Tom. Good job. Oh days. Try. Is wearing. Say. Said a. Stable, jay. Asia. Brazier? We're back with the CBS all access new series Star Trek discovery in this episode actually aired for free on CBS try to get people to subscribe. Oh, did it. I didn't even know that. Yeah. Yeah. This this air to and they had a cliffhanger. So in order to see what happens next you got to pay for the right? And I didn't know it was a cliffhanger before watching it. Otherwise, I would a shared the second zone with you. I would've watched that as well. See how it ends? I mean, I just assume everybody dies and they start over with a new crew just like the cage. Yeah. Yeah. Precisely I don't know if you realize like, oh, you did you probably did the main character show is spock's stepsister. What? No, yes. So Sarik who she talks to in on the. Yeah. Yeah. That is spock's father. Sucks. Wait that spock's father? Correct. Just her teacher. I think it's her maybe. It's my real father. Damn we got tangle this. So she's half Vulcan. Yes. He's maybe a Dopp that maybe it's adopted brother. It's got to be. She doesn't seem Volkan at all she. Yeah. She's she's raised by Sarik. When I first heard about the kind of annoys me. But watching the show is is I've actually watched most of the season before this. I had already seen this episode. But every watched it, and yeah would me when I the idea of it. But watching it first of all the actresses is really good. I never seen her anything else. But I thought she was how did you like the actress? I think it was fine all around on this one. Yeah. I guess we should describe this episode a little bit. Yeah. Let's go into it as living on what Cybernet another thing. Annoys me about the show. But anyway. They've they they've get readings from a planet and go to investigate. It's it's like the episode. We just talked about. And that's where. The differences start. But that's what they do. That's still mission to seek out new worlds true. To boldly go they they don't even have that intro now. I don't think so actually episode starts with the captain and Michael Burnham, which is the the character. We're talking about who's spock's adoptive sister on some kind of desert planet planning things. I don't even know what's going on. But they're trying to save them from the drought. So they're our like opening up the well for them. Yeah. And it basically it shows away to to highlight the relationship between the captain and her number one, and how crafty and clever the captain can be in ways that that Michael doesn't know about. I thought it was a good opener. Yeah. The captain played by shell who I don't know Americans would probably recognize from crouching tiger hidden dragon. Done a lot of work in Asia. Very well known actress in Asia. And I mean, the whole continent. Including, yuck. I don't know. That's an Asia Europe, technically. Yeah. Yeah. No. It was it was good. It's nice to have like I know they have they've had female captains before. But females captain janeway. Yeah. Now, you're on unfortunately, oranges, new black my condolences. What happens when you get old in Hollywood's is still in the air. I don't know. Well, regarded, and that's Phil. I mean, yes, she's fine. It's the show. I don't without orange new black there probably wouldn't have been a Russian down Russian dial. We both agree was wonderful beginning to end. Wait. Why just because tasha Leone now she would have done it. She wrote it. Yeah. But she probably would have had the clout is what you're saying. Correct cloud being something that shows what your how many fans you have on social media. Oh, yeah. That's I forgot with a K. Yes. So anyway, so I mean, luckily like all nerds, I speak Klingon. So I didn't have to read the screen the whole time like some why did they have redesign the klingons? I don't know. They look nothing like the klingons. I remember like that. And it's I know it's petty. But I really don't like that. Anyway, there's no need. I mean, they already. Yeah. Make it more modern. But this like looks entirely different looks like it's a whole different race research. Yeah. And, you know, interestingly on the klingons here, some social commentary, they're mostly black, but the outcast guy was white. Who spokesman that for awhile America? Are you talking about the band? Okay. Yeah. So so they somebody fucks with their ship. Right. And is it their shipper that just some thing? I don't it doesn't matter. So the the Michael goes, there's a thing they can see, but they can't really get good readings from it. So Michael take say, what is it like a personal transport to go? Look at it. As basically a spacesuit. Yeah. Because somebody fucked with their equipment, and they're trying to figure out why. And then they saw that thing. And they're like, maybe. Yeah. As they're investigating the Klingon who's there and like watching for for other like other aliens to come by wakes up and she accidentally kills him. Didn't look to accidentally me. But that's that's her story. Yes. And she comes back almost dead being brought the life in. She has to report. What happened right? And she and apparently klingons haven't been seen for time, which doesn't make sense as she's spock's stepsister because we know there were klingons during spa time. But I think she's no I think she's a little bit older. So spock's time when he's on the enterprise is right, right? After this. This is when this is so previous. That's what we did was asking me that previous to the original series. Yeah. Okay. I couldn't figure out the time line. Okay. Gotcha. That makes sense. Then. Well, then it makes sense that they changed the way they look. And they ritual series. They just like humans, anyway, I'm not going to get into that. Again. I'm sure there's action issue. Awesome more stir. There's people who actually are like heavy Star Trek fans that either are as much younger than me. And with better reasons, they know what they're talking about. Or they have an explanation. Dave come up with some really convoluted ex I love those those two I'd like the shit out of them. He explanation of why the klingons changes in the next ration-? There's there's there's an explanation the show did that like in. I think in dispaced nine or one of one of the. I lost you for Hanan. Sorry start that sentence over. 'cause 'cause you you broke. They had an explanation on deep space nine. That's that's from the producers, Star Trek and its campus. Okay. It's like they they were doing genetic modifications of humans and made everyone look different something like that. But the explanation done by by fans was before there was like just when Star Trek next generation came out, and they're trying to come up with the reason their explanation was great. It was like they they the people that were closer to the like the humanoid planets. They look more like humans to be like less of a threat, and then deeper spaces what they really look like. Anyway, let's remember fan theories are always the best fun. It always makes me think like, dude. And it's almost always dude put so much effort into this. You could've just created your own show with all that energy. You just unpack explaining this other show, but they don't have a passion for their own show. There the passion for the show that's true years, and it's fun anyway. Yeah. So so she kills this cling on. On and and the klingons by the way, the beginning. They're like trying to summon all the klingons from throughout the galaxy for some purpose. I don't fuck. And now. Some of that stuff's hard to keep keep track of what's going on. But yeah, they're trying to get a a hootenanny gallon. Right. And so. And so this this killing sets them off as you know, it would with the klingons. And that's I mean, that's basically the plot of the first episode like the klingons. Start to attack the right? There's there's also another portent part is that Michael is obsessed with fighting them. So she goes to talk to sack to see how the the Klingon of Vulcan like peace happened. And he says they were impressed by the the Volkan fire in their ships immediately. So she went to try to force the captain to do that. And she said, no. And then she used the Volkan death grip, which I did not realize humans could do. I thought it was only Vulcan thing. So apparently, I guess you can learn it, I guess maybe there's an episode of ritual series where Spock talk Kirk, and that's how I got a ladies, but assoc she knocked her out, but not long enough to fire the the the candidate because like she came out and pointed a gun at her and said, no stand-down B ch I think those were words. Yep. Yeah. Oh, and it's not called the enterprise cold at the enterprise now, I forget the name due to its that's like an Asian name. Anyway, the os icy so set roughly ten years before the events is Star Trek the original series. Well, I don't know how you're supposed to get that just from this episode. Well, I mean, does it matter. You know, not not really just there was like no star date or anything on it wasn't there. I didn't I didn't pay attention because I wouldn't know what. Anyway, the USS Shinzu is what it's called and zoo. Yeah. Yeah. No, the the and it's weird because the captain Michelle ya'll seems to be secondary character on this. Two. Okay. So her name is cynic will Martin green? I hope I pronounce the first name, right? She's the real star. Michael, right? Yeah. That is interesting throughout the. Yes, she is the starts the first Star Trek that I know about that. The captain is not the star of the show. I guess deep space nine had more on samba. But she's definitely the star. Yeah. I mean, it's it's Star Trek. I don't know. I don't know what to say about it, basically. I mean, it's much better than the original series, obviously. But watching this I would not have known just watching this. How much like there's a lot of bad blood in creating the show. The Bryan fuller got at some point fired from the show. And I think at this point it has to be that he's the the weak link because it seems like every show he starts gets critically acclaimed, but he gets fired from it. So maybe it's it's not that. The producers aren't good that it's him. It's not good producing a show. Yeah. Maybe he's just an asshole and everybody hates him. I mean, that's I don't know. I always get him. Wait who who is the Bryan singer, Bryan singer? Yeah. I always get him mix up with Brian fuller. But Bryan fuller. Wouldn't our Brent singer wouldn't have been working on this this link day most likely. Yeah. No, actually, he'll bohemian rhapsody. Yeah. He might have been this is a different guy. This is the guy that did dead like me, which is a good show wonderful, which I didn't watch pushing daisies Hannibal which everyone loves and he got fired from American gods as well. Oh, I like pushing daisies and wonderful. Oh, so he's done a lot. He's done some good shit on weird. I mean, I'm not interested enough to look into why he was ago or anything. But so I think I think he maybe he wrote this episode. It was there for putting the show together at any got replaced like before the show started. So he's not he's not involved with the help, Michael apparently, Michael Chaban, according to former guest the show von she wrote a bunch of episodes for season two. And as I've mentioned before he's writing a lot for these the show runner for card, and I'm really like where to that. Well, I wonder I mean, I can't remember what the deal is with like your first episode of T TV series. What if Brian fuller gets paid for all this shit? Even though he's been let go like was. He's the creator of this. I don't know how it would work for something that already exists. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. But it's not the writer. Oh, maybe it's the writer. But definitely the director of the first episode. Gets a ton of money for being the directing the first up. So there's I don't remember exactly what it's like. But that's why you see so many like like Josh Weeden did the first episode of agencies. Was writing. I thought it was directing its directing yet. Because that's you see big names. I f associates, and then they just keep collecting after that. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I don't I am not sure how that works either. So why wouldn't you just go around directing first episodes of everything that's what I would do shit. Lake onto this next dumb thing that I'm gonna get paid a ton of money for. Yeah. No. I this was vastly preferable to the original series. I mean, it's like you say, it's it's the special effects are better. The the writings better the accurate better the, but they also live at ready. It's written in time where they don't have to worry about. Oh, we can't have two weeks. Right. We know every episode. It's gotta be self contained. It could have a cliffhanger and all that stuff. Because even next generation like two part episodes were rare like that was that was like a big deal. And this show. I think they knew the people would binge it. So it doesn't matter. Right. I don't know if how CBS does it if it comes out once a week or if it's all at once. I don't know either. Yeah. 'cause I know for this one it was at least the first two percents once a week. But I don't know how it happened after that CBS audience skews so old they probably do it all at once. Just in case a bunch of. Bye. I don't think the audience for Star Trek is. Well, actually, it's pretty old probably old. Yeah. Yeah. It's not bad. They release it once per week. I'm looking at the the Wikipedia, and it says original release date for each that. Seems we're paying for. So you sign up for CBA CBS Alexis at some point. For twilight zone maybe for twilight zone. I was thinking card. I'd watch like twilight zone in the rest of this show when I had sent up for card because going CBS all access as well. Yeah. Yeah. I think they're doing anything Star Trek is right there. So is anybody else from next generation gonna be on Picard? I don't I don't know. They're gonna have to do guest spots. What any other actor gone on to do anything from that show? Jonathan Frakes is kind of like directs a lot TV. Okay. He went to Peter builder's route. Bonner's boehner's. Komo funny is the he's about I I know I've said this before, but it always cracks me up dentist dentists from Bob Newhart show, and he became a like a big time TV director and Jerry Paris director the dentist from Dick Van Dyke. Also became a big time. Tv director, wait Gerry whose Jerry Paris, Dick Van Dyke show dyke. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I thought you said Bob the heart for that as well. I'm sorry. I meant to say Dick Van Dyke. You probably did don't listen to listen to every other word so show. I heard. Yeah. What you've watched more of this, though is how do you? What do you think of it having good? I it's it's like I have weird complaints like like the Klingon thing. But other than that. It's it's well made. It's interesting. It's sometimes it's frustrating, but not in the bed way. Like oh. I don't want to stop in the characters. I don't like that at all. But it's good. I did. I know like I looked up because I was looking up the main actress I looked on like I n d at the like the cast list, and you should never do that with series because then you see certain people aren't on as many episodes, and then you kind of figure out. Okay. Yes. Something happened to them. So it'll it would only have taken where episode to figure out what you're talking about. Really? Okay. Okay. I'll tell you because you're probably not gonna watch it all I'll watch more. So. Yeah. I mean, I basically know anyway from looking at I am, so we'll just see how it happens. But yeah, no. It's it seemed like a solid show better than anything on CBS over the air for sure. Well right now. But that's because that's show. I can't remember the anymore. Oh, the one with Benjamin Linus from lost. Remember the name of it either. But yeah, I think it's called what a who t that's what she. Yeah. No. It seems solid. I mean. I don't know. I'll watch more for sure I just want to. It's a good one. Except for having to read read the goddamn cling on subtitles. It's a good one. You can kinda just like kind of pay attention to and still get the the plot. Which is. Which I like so. You don't have to. It's not the wire where you have to like go frame by frame. And like what the fuck is going on. Yeah. No. I think it's I think it's good. And I think the the main actor whose name I said earlier sneak will Martin green is really good all the actors are are fine. But they don't have as much due at least in this episode as she did. And and the captain, Michelle. Yeah. So. But I already knew Michelle. So yeah, I don't know. It's not bad. If you're a if you're a big old nerd, I would say check it out. I agree. But if you're big old nerd you've already watched it yet. That's well, maybe not some people don't want to be paying for that shit. It's it's I wonder if you can get on DVD now probably. Yeah. Probably season one. I know. That's a good question. Will they should do that? They're stupid if they don't Netflix shows and up on DVD. Yeah. That's true. Let's take a quick look. Are you checking it out? Yeah. So I can give the link to our our affiliate link. No, weirdly, no, you can buy the episodes. But I don't deep day. Weird CBS you dumb. We really know you sound like mom and shit. You should have thirty bucks. I season. That's not bad. That's not good either. How much is CBS all excess? You can and bins this in a couple of days. But if you want to own it, and yes features that you know, what I guess I'll wait till the show is over. But the good place would be a good show to own on DVD. Yes. For the for the extras extras, like not even the the commentary because you get enough of the of the podcast podcast. Yeah. But I mean, like they film so much extra stuff. Yes. So that's yeah. That's actually that's a good idea. I never even thought about it. But it's not available yet. They'll probably at all at say it they'll do you like the whole series at once. Yeah. Yeah. I would be down for that. Yeah. Star Trek discovery. I honestly, I don't think I've like I've. Probably seen a few scattered episodes of deep space nine. And then what was the other one Voyager was that one Voyager was janeway one. I think under start the Star Trek enterprise is the Scott back, ULA one. Okay. I've seen like just random episodes of all those I think, but I don't I never got into them to where I knew the characters or whatever. Yeah. The overarching story speech nine is supposed to be really good. I didn't really I think I started on the first season. It was like, right. When college started or maybe a couple, maybe it was in college. But I never really stopped watching much TV then in the enterprise tried to watch I could stand with him sung. So I never watch another episode seems like good reason to quit. I put still. We'll talk about how science fiction doesn't hold up. So well, like new generation seems pretty cheesy now too. When you rewatch it, which we will do new generation episode when card comes out, I guess. But yeah, have you noticed that have you watched it recently at all? Anyway. Yeah, I was asking before things went walkie. Have you watched next generation recently at all? A couple years ago. I did I it was still good. It's yeah. It's much easier than I remembered, but well. Well, the thing is much like we shouldn't start with the cage on the original series. I would never start with encounter VAR four point for TNG. I don't know if you watch that. But that is at the first. Yeah, that's awful again. That's not. That's not good. No. You gotta go to pass the tasha Yar years. I feel like yeah. I mean, not that. I would. Yeah. They gets better from there. Or as Bill Cosby says it gets sweater. I know I've done that went on here before he's canceled, man. Cancelled for good just like, I'm surprised. He's still alive. Does he go to jail yet? Yeah. Oh, he's in jail. Dude. I thought he'd be dead by now. No offense to dead people. Untaken? But why did you think he'd be dead? You didn't think he'd make it to prison? No. I thought the stress of knowing he was going to give can rupee himself. Yeah. I didn't. I didn't think he would he would kill himself. I just thought he would die. Just let you know the stress was just like give them a heart attack or something. It's my it's all I got. Yeah. I mean, well, here's hoping he'll die soon. Speaking of which recommendations, Asians, Asians, Asians. I'm scrambling to think 'cause I had one. And I I'm blanking. What do you have what you have? But go I'll go the easy way out and recommend captain marvel. Which is terrific breed. Larson is is wonderful. She's a great actress since he was goodness. And it was it was good moral movie. I don't think you would like it. But yeah, I mean, I'll take your word for it. I I know what it's going to be so, yeah, it's, but it didn't have the problem that I often talk about where the like it did. But it was approached them much better way of of the the the main bad stuff at the end being so shoot it removes any drama. Before. And I mean again, it is. But there's something that happens that makes it like, oh, this is so much better than usual. So that was good. And there's good there's good interplay between Samuel Jackson her and the person who plays Monica Rambo, and it's just a fun movie. I think it's it's a shame that it gets all the the anti hyphen the people who hate women rehearsing. I guess women jails basically women, I thank you. So that's that takes away from it. But it's I mean that doesn't take anything away from this. But it takes away from the conversation about it because people are getting a bad reviews before it's actually even watched. I mean, there's bad reviews for this movie that are warranted. But not the ones that are given the just, you know, you know, what I'm talking about recommend that of throwing a recommendation for a show. That's started very late, and it's not like ever going to win an EMMY. But it's it's kind of a throwback to eighty shows. What's it called whisky whisky cavalier? It's a stupid spy show. That's on. ABC or CBS or one of those channels, and it's. I haven't even heard of it. Yeah. It's one of those replacements. And it's it's dumb and funny. It has Scott Foley. And I don't think anybody else famous, but it's good. Who's got fully? He's one of those actors, you seems I've seen it before. Yeah. Man. My brain is like Swiss cheese lately. I don't know. I might have gotten a name wrong. I think it's something like that. You know what I'll recommend? Now. I don't I don't want recommend that. I'm trying to think if there's anything I've seen I've when we're recommended. Okay. I thought okay, go ahead. Christopher more novel Kemah, I think last year maybe this year called Nawar where it's set in the right after World War Two in San Francisco. And it's it's really fun. It has kind of a Damon Runyon feel to it. And but with with his unique twist on that kind of thing that it's it's a good book. Enjoyable fun fact, Damon Runyon, invented funds mice. Uh-huh. Kept it all in the rhyming family. I'm glad had a lot of trouble with bunions from what I hear. That's true. Yeah. God damn it. I'm trying so hard to come up with another onion rhyme. And I can't. I'll recommend because I don't think I recommend it before. But it is on Netflix. The and an I remember the name of it. But the Conan O'Brien travel show. Have you watched that now it's good super easy to binge? And it's yeah, it's fucking hilarious. And Conan is always funny as hell, but it's also heartwarming and like more serious than you would think, but it's not serious. But like, he's not he's not just a clown. All the time. You know, he goes into the the issues in the places he's visiting, but it still Larry's, do you think this show ran on TBS? I because I saw something where he was in like another country, and he was having dinner with his writer who likes to make fun of. Oh, yeah. No. That's that's one of the zones in Italy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think it they showed it. This was this was in Japan. But whatever so that's a different one. So he knows. Yeah. No. It's it's good. You should check it out. I mean, I don't see any reason you wouldn't like it. Yeah. That's it. That's all. I got. Right. There was a pop culture continuum at key mail dot com. Rate us highly on ITN's writer review, if you want we don't care, you can bad us, all you on the review just rate is highly follows on Facebook and always and forever. Tell you God damn friends and family. Listen, how else are we ever gonna get up in the rankings? What we're never gonna beat Martha Stewart at this point. Or Joe Rogan does Martha Stewart have a podcast ask I would not be the presidency. Does she does? Yeah. That's all next week when Picard start on. I'm I want this here you won't. Okay. So probably in the fall, I think so I think that's what they're doing. They're like right now, Star Trek discovery is on the fall will have a on. And then what about the twilight zone man O eill that starts his new movie? I think that came out this weekend didn't really I could be totally wrong. Maybe about that. Because people are excited about that. I really wanna see that. Anyway, us right. Yeah. It's called. It's it's the black version of this is us. It's it's it's playing a sex stub you. So it's. Probably probably gonna be the premier south by south west south by southwest. Yeah. It's probably be like a couple of weeks before. It's actually in theaters. Yeah. March twenty first it looks like we're coming up on it. The ides of March fairly I don't even know when the ides of March our fifteenth, it's the middle of the month. What are the ides is the seventh of March is your does not exist? I guess it was all I guess it was another Mandel affecting fifteen. Yeah. So I was right initially. Thank you for doubting me doubting Thomas. I thought he didn't know 'cause I didn't. I guess that does it for this week until next time. Goodbye, everybody goodbye.

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876 - Redemption Part 1 | Sleep With TNG S4E26

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876 - Redemption Part 1 | Sleep With TNG S4E26

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Geico listen asleep with me or the Patriot content in your smart speaker and then he said sleep timer and good night. Thanks and what is it we with the show here. You up all night tossing turning nine racing trouble getting to sleep trouble staying asleep. Well this is sleep was me podcasts. Jubes asleep would use a bedtime story. You need to get a bed. Turn out the lights. A splendid going to jump to do is put them going to attempt to do is create a safe place for you could set aside. Whatever keeping you awake whether it's a thoughts you know thinks you're thinking about Feelings like anything emotionally coming up for you or physical sensations changes in time or temperature schedule so you know if you're in the secondary research shift or you're traveling getting ready for move whatever it is is it's keeping up. It could be one of those things it could be something else. I'm here to help. Wooden going to attempt to do is create a safe place where you could set aside whatever's keeping you awake. Is that what it whether it's not super feelings? Physical sensations change in time and temperature again. Give mixed up. That's another thing I'd do it so again. Make sure so whatever scheme you could lead to take your mind if what I'm GONNA do is to send my voice across the deep dark night in a have mentioned the aforementioned. I don't know if ever use it word ever eight hundred plus episodes of unknown nope ever said aforementioned Eb at the aforementioned in I may be using it in the wrong context safe police. Have here lenny a room set aside space for you whether you know. Look around. Go ahead Check it out. Money Use lawing soothing. Creaky dulcet tones of pointless meanders superfluous. Tangents I will be going off topic any nonsense of going in-depth about stuff you might have never to you or you might currently where you don't need to care you see him going in depth about this but mo- barely going to scratch the surface at the same time in. I'M GONNA buff instead of scratching surface here we buffet. As a matter of fact I like to breathes on the surface. Don't worry Ho boy. Did I brush my teeth before I sat down and then a handsome apple slices? But Yeah we don't we. Don't you know we don't do that? To the surface. Gazette would be next notch Susan for bedtime even though in that particular is a metaphor scratched the surface orders. It Theresa. It's a truism again another question for Helen's e out there who has a new podcast. It's time recording. This Veronica Mars investigates check the Hattab. For sure was talking about to. Obe buffing. Surface is. This is the podcast that barely buffs surface. You know you'll need to wear glasses. I still flag him up The I don't yeah you see I don't have my glasses on scoots them in bed with my eyes closed. It's it's right on Fi. Feigin your glasses bedtime tomorrow. It'll of dissipated in barely scratched the surface. Oh because if you're new sorry about to head going off topic early per per open for me Anderson hair in really just You know using ned famous You you know when you see people bluffing or Doing that to a table now quite polishing. You're right and part of my brain car cleaning part of my brain sitter you polishing. Shouldn't you be buffing the car right now? That's a thought that's come up for me bedtime and then I said to that part of my brain have we. Have we ever other than lake? Uh when we had to for a while when we needed money from our father and we were some. I can't remember buffing buffing anything okay. Well that's a hot. Does something. Totally Different Nets Nad rate. Listen this is a good time to talk about buffing. It's funny 'cause anyway I was Gonna say that Helen Spied cast is with genuine Zhang. Who's above his above buffering? Buffy podcast Was Way off topic. Oh if you're new. So here's what I'm GONNA do. I'M GONNA I'm if you're okay 'cause if you're new here you're probably like what is this guy talking about or what's going on here. Sumi circle back here. Let me sit down and I see her safe place. We have set aside. So here's a couple of things despite cast is a different so if you're skeptical or bit confused welcome. I'm confused too currently confused. That's what it says. On My Perot one of my profiles maybe in a suspect in this nonsensical. And here's a couple of things. Structurally were already a bit into the structure show but the show starts off with a few minutes business. It's more important for regular listeners. If you knew that it's how we keep it free for everybody in sievelike behind a paywall which like ten episodes and then other two hundred ninety you gotta pay for all three hundred episodes right now. You COULD LISTEN TO FOR FREE. Or or our most recent three hundred episodes. She could listen to Right there for free whenever you need it or all in a row. So thank you for that. So there's business then there's an intro but in our case the intros like a cool down I don't know why I was co two intro. That is just like the only it's a it's a cool down part of the show normally intros just a warm up to the podcast. You know. Say Hey we're going to be here talking about this car wash cast. Is Carl withdrew? Carwash wash cast. Maybe talking about car washing in things. Interesting car washers cartridge car wash Which doesn't really work. But you know my favorite other bad gas script notes. I built it on that So core what you know but not just for professional car washers. It's a car washing. I can't remember how John and Craig said Oh. I think John Always says in a but that's a car wash gas. And that would be the end of the intro for the car wash cast and then maybe they would do tonight. We're GONNA be talking about buff buffing in buffering. Do you watch buffering or listen to buy gas while you? Buff cars The you know I'll offer my opinions later. So that would be an intro for our intro. It takes maybe somewhere between Twelve to eighteen minutes. Because I want to ease you into bid time so. It is a big part of the show sometimes new listeners. They can think over you. Just uh is this just filler or no. This isn't a kind of an essential part of the podcasts. But there's no essential parts in what I mean by that is Some listeners to skip the intro and Simlisafe's fall asleep during data but for most listeners. It's part of their wind down routine so some dealer listening before they get into bed and some people are in bed. Good to see looking great befogged enough those glasses later. Don't worry about it because they'll be up off. I'm GonNa Buffalo that I'm GONNA buffer them. I think I've been buffering half my life. My thoughts are always buffering. Which so is the intro? It's just an explanation of podcast. It's a little bit different every time. But it gives you time to candlelit today. Fate or WH- fade away or fader away and to start your drifting off into dreamland. So that's the first twelve to eighteen minutes to show. Then there's some business and then tonight we'll be talking about. Tng Star Trek the next generation. And if you don't watch the show you don't need to like me I'll talk about it in a way. That will make any sense to anybody. But if you can't sleep it'll be pleasant. You know a pleasant enough to keep you company or to help you drift off and we'll be talking about you know some just the stuff that happened. What people were wearing of the dialogue? How people held their bodies. How many close ups? Mp You know when when does a camera zoom on Sean Luc Picard? So that'll be the episode under some Dank us at the end so that's how the show is structured. Also if you were regular listener you don't really need to listen to this podcast. You can listen and if you can't sleep in you're looking for a companion and the deeply organized I'm here to vary end so I'll be here to keep you company Ed. But you don't need to listen you won't miss anything good replayed if you really want to hear listen during the day. It'll be kind of a slow paced discussion about things so no pressure. Listen but also no pressure fall asleep. In the recent shows are bad and our issue. You could drift off at yearly as you can see how it goes and then falsely issue wish shink. Let's see I think that's it about that. Structure The show. You don't need to listen. No pressure fall asleep. If you're new and you kind of listen to this or winner you start making sense. It's kind of like like listening to Lakewood if there was a co ass In your taking where they said Hayden had only. Is there no grade Were what if there was a class? I'm trying to think of a classic could be a metaphor for this. It's still conducive to sleeping at bid. Time Lake Affairs professor who secretly dirty. They were doing some sort of performance art or something and they said he'd come to my class E and you could really learn as much as little as you want I really. I don't know what you would learn from me because I'm just going to be lecturing and my lectures don't necessarily follow any logic. They kinda due following meandering pass. The my classrooms is safely sue. You'll give yourself a great at the end based on whatever you feel like also you know. District is a tuition free class Maybe even though I'm getting paid of course the professors everybody's getting paid whether your teacher or student in this class this imaginary by the way just you know that And show no pressure show of what you know. Just respect everybody else's space but since this is odd you know really your in your own space is so. I don't know I guess it's that would be one way to listen like if you knew all that and you showed up to class You'd say well. How do I feel like listened today? Well I'm just going to kick back and seek it gives us e- get comfortable chairs in these classrooms holy cow in a gift so maybe Maybe Kinda listen for. Wow which professor scoots talking about. Oh how many different shades of dragonflies are there in the world A. DO wonder that Open now he's talking about your desk since but I don't know if he knows he's I think he has co confused. He's confused translucent. Scenario death since May the well. I wonder if how many yeah how come. Milana DRAGONFLY DRESSES. Ev Wings with data own A. He's a he's a major. He's wearing a dragonfly dress In how that would feel. And then he's giggling because he's saying of course. My dress wouldn't be translucent. Who'd be resistant? So I guess he does know the difference so that would be. That's kind of how to listen to. The podcast is an example. Here's the thing. I'm glad you're here reason. It makes it shows because I've been there in the dark knight tossing and turning trouble getting to sleep. I have trouble staying asleep waking up and getting back have had it all and you know changing my schedule just recently so getting back into groove myself. So here's the thing. I'm glad you're here kind of see how it goes. Give the show a few tries. It's we've had thousands of people review the show in almost every single one says. Hey took me few tries to get used to the PODCAST. So give it. A few tries goes no pressure on your end. Do hopefully helps you if it doesn't. I appreciate you checking out. You can also go to sleep with me. Podcasts DOT com slash knows. Thank you if you find. That bad. Gastein doesn't help but a really appreciate you checking this show out appreciate time. It worked very hard. I yearn strive and I WANNA help you fall asleep So thanks again for coming by very very excited. Because tonight's episode is made possible by match made in heaven but in the dreams of sleeping bear. And that's our new partnership with celestial seasonings. Yeah that's right. Celestial seasonings that believes that everyone deserves a good restful night's sleep and that's why they invented sleepytime herbal tea whites become the top selling specialty in. America. It's signature blend of Mexican. Camomile until Leah Flowers it's Gad Guatemalan lemon grass and spearmint from the Pacific Northwest. 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Let's really celebrate this together because it's bedtime mar a good night's everybody's time for The another episode of sleeper T and G and this episode is a two-parter will we'll be covering the first part tonight and it's redemption is season for episode twenty six. Which when I was writing this earlier I thought about what Accomplishments at his twenty six episodes in m presuming a year of Equality Television. I mean that's episode. Every two weeks I mean my mask could be off but I'm pretty sure to twenty six to twenty six cents to fifty twenty six temps who's fifty two. Maybe there's fifty four weeks in a year. Maybe there's fifty two. I'm not share but a really great accomplishment and this is one of these episodes is that not only stands up to lake who multiple re watches that really reveals more and more depth If you watch both episodes it don't know how many times have watched this first episode because it wash it once maybe a year or two ago and then If Budge Times recently in it really is an amazing amazing episode. If Fan of jean-luc and or warfare and or bolt or kind of you know the ways in which you if you if you choose to project I think that's one of the great things about TNG or star Trek Star. Trek is that you can project and identify with characters particular warf in data know the Times you do feel like you're a little bit on the Oh Utsa D. or whatever or you don't understand you know your ski. Your own journey to self discovery ended. Then doing it. Also through Picard is this just a classic so it opens with capsule like headed to Kling Kling at home world. May handwriting says an installation since to ceremony but it's installation ceremony in hopefully to correct a grave injustice. It would say roses WARF WHOA. He's got a robot so worse working He's doing a little Like Klingon Practice or training a don't know if they've seen this like like a like a I don't know who to described in like a robe but he's their child each shows up that's the card nat time. Oh this is just outreach. Some of the The dialogues is so amazing in you think about TV. Writing or I think about writing allied within the first four minutes this episode sits up the theme and the main conflict In a very segmented television way but was still flaw in my opinion flawlessly. Supercar UP TO WORSHAM worse working out in they talk about Some S- amazing things Basically I guess I don't even need read book are basically says Well practice more info. Nothing is the Gourd but basically because you you try to right. The wrongs when we're here on your home world in is going to be in charge and basically. I think this calls for more practice. okay. Here's your chatty body each not as you're a captain and he says Oh Yeah we're says it's time for me yet. Any suspicion says sometimes more effective than sharp things. Abra girds his patients as human virtue of good to see you've taken a situation co for more Klingon response because this was like a cover up In you got the raw side of it No S. cargo scheduled got our on. What effective for bore ties? Why is lies? Must be challenged like Goes Year I've grown weary of the dishonor. Oh and then they were breaker calls because yeah we got this vessel bore ties. Here's his as says it's going to be our escort workers. Yeah there's no escort they go up to the bridge in regard goes on screen it goes. It goes LLOSA's go run Records COWER GOTTA speak if we're going to be successful any successful at what That's where I said what is more Boorda's And then he said to go arg our on what he goes. Yeah must speak If we're going to stop the trouble on cook calling it troubling Klingon again and then there's zoom unprepared card episode opens and watching still. The scene played in front of me is still a worse Really I didn't realize his Robo So it kind of has puckered material really looks comfortable in like a good for Wyking if sweat news working out and staying cool and also looking cool honor will scorn have no Koranic ry. The sisters of dunk is Pod A tree three fleet. Commanders sow many football. This will my handwriting says Do not see what it can do to assist. You must see this duty to the end. It's beyond my purview. Basically Ga