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Unqualified for Motherhood  Interview with Taryn Leiker  Part 4

Kingdom Mom

39:31 min | 1 year ago

Unqualified for Motherhood Interview with Taryn Leiker Part 4

"Welcome to the kingdom mom podcast. I'm your host Lindsay Anderson founder of Hoping Homeschool Dot Com and the Kingdom Mom coaching community here at King Demaim we grow together in identity marriage parenting home management and in our finances we invite you to join our community. Even if you're not a home schooler go to hope in Homeschool homeschool dot Com and Click Kingdom mom coaching you can also join our tribe of mom binder masters by taking our free ultimate. Mom binder video course is absolutely free and you can learn how hundreds of MOMS have taken back their territory by turning their homes into a sanctuary. Are you ready to take back your territory kingdom. Let's begin taking the MOMS and welcome back to our final episode with the Fabulous Terron. Laker tearing earns been around for four episodes. If you haven't caught the first three episodes that we aired with Taryn be sure to go back and watch them <hes> Taryn today is actually going to be talking about how <hes> her journey has affected her parenting and and her motherhood because terron literally went from being a completely absent depressed mom to having kids who are absolutely thriving and and restored relationship so I'm super excited to chat with her about that today but really quick reminder <hes> since this this is the final episode that we are airing with Taryn <hes> in the coming days terron is actually going to be joining us in our mom binder Masters Group on facebook for a live Q._N._A.. Session so if you are not auto part of that group on facebook you need to join so that you can ask her questions and pick her brain or even just listen in as she shares her wisdom with everyone else so couple of two ways that you can join you can search mom binder masters on facebook <hes> but you do you probably should go register for the course so if you go to hope and homeschool dot com right at the top. There's a banner you just click and register for the course. You'RE GONNA get emailed the MOM binder course it's a free course and then in the email you will get a link to the MOM byner master group on facebook so <hes> we'll hope that we hope you'll join us and let's get started all right so we are back with our final episode in the Terron Laker series. I'm so sad that the last episode with you but we've already talked and I'm pretty sure we're GONNA have to have Taryn back again because we were just sitting here. We're like oh my goodness like we have four episodes and I feel like we haven't even scratched the surface of of what tearing could talk about and the stuff that we could the stuff that she could share so this is going to <hes> so Taryn and I have actually today today Tarrin's GonNa talk a little bit more about her Motherhood Journey but Taryn I they actually have become friends in recent years and we've become really really good friends. Just kind of like so unexpectedly in I have had the privilege of traveling with Charon and caraway sow whites now yes and Taryn. I have after just give her a little shoutout because she's actually a big part of why kingdom is even a thing I recently went on a cruise earlier this year with my friends hair and my friend ex Tina <hes> who is also being interviewed for the podcast. I don't know if we've already heard her episodes at this point or not <hes> but it my frontier in annexed Gina and Michelle who's also on the PODCAST <hes> they've all they were all on this trip and so we actually spent a lot of time in the spa we kind of had like these mastermind sessions and my friend Taryn and my friend extreme basically said Lindsay. You need to be coaching MOMS. This is what you you need to be doing and really kingdom mom the reason why we are even here the reason why you're even listening to this podcast really came from that Sauna session is what I call. It and I always joke that <hes> <hes> you know people would have loved to have been a fly on the wall and that Sauna session because it was some powerful stuff and so I feel like by me interviewing my friend Taryn here. You're kind of getting a little sneak peek into into a little sauna session so tender in the Sauna. Ah Pretend you're in Asana. Maybe some of you but somebody's probably listening to this in Asana but <hes> role jealous of you right now but <hes> today Taryn is going to share some wisdom with us about <music> Her Motherhood Journey so again tearing <hes> we got the big the big story the big you know going from utter despair to where you're at today in the first episode that we did with you but if you could Kinda we give people just a brief recap of Your Motherhood Journey from where it was to where it is now. I didn't want to be a mom at all. I really thought I would just screw them up anyway and so I really wanted <hes> this is crazy but at the time you know I can admit it that I really watched all the shows that talked about single women and just living their lives and just staying single you know sex in the city honestly as one of the shows I watched all the time and it so that lifestyle is actually where I was heading and so in no Asia performed. I want to be a mom. I didn't think I was qualified had no idea and then all of a sudden I meet the most amazing man James and we found doubt that we were expecting our daughter and it was in that moment that I just cried because I felt like I was <hes>. It was actually interesting. There's a Kenny Chesney Song. There goes my life that is when I realized that I might be pregnant and it talks about I was delivering pizzas. He does and I was on the way back from Iran and all's in the Kenny Chesney song comes on there goes my life and if you've never heard it he basically finds out that it is going to be a team that at and then fast forward to she's leaving the house at eighteen and that was his life like he really loved being a dad and so fast through that I sat there and I was like oh no I think I'm pregnant and so I went and took a test found out. I was pregnant told James and he just absolutely stepped up. I honestly gave him every out. To walk away I did not want to ruin his life. I knew that I was headed towards a life just based on my past that was going to be hard or that. I would deserve what was coming at me but I didn't believe he should have to go through that so so I already felt like I had screwed his life up by making him an unwed dad and so we basically just did the best that we could and James did an absolutely fantastic job he got a job. I actually ended up being on bedrest very early in our pregnancy and so he supported us he did everything <hes> and stepped up and I just felt like I didn't know what to do. I felt like such a Leech because Zaid only known to work <hes> for everything that I had and I felt like by being a stay at home mom or by being on bedrest I was basically a Leech and so I already felt like I was inadequate and not helping do my part so I was miserable and as you know with my story I had depression as well so fast forward to postpartum not having a clue what to do and here's the thing like she cried all the time mm shed garlic and it was miserable and I didn't have the skills to not just have an intense amount of anger and rage and I didn't know how there is no peace in my life there had never been peace at my life <hes> it was always striving always wanting something else and <hes> there. Is You know not that I'm blaming anybody. My Mother did the absolute best that she could but she was not raised in a great home. She saw a lot of abuse she was disabused and unfortunately whatever you catch what you know and so there was a lot of abuse than that <hes> funneled into my childhood and my dad had you know laughed had early on when they got divorced and so there is <music> abandonment there is rejection and all of that came to a head when this little baby was just crying constantly and so I just went into this postpartum depression I was absolutely miserable depressed and it just started the hardware. James had to step up and be mom because I was not capable. There is one time that she was crying and I don't even know what it was over but I remember speaking her and I remember James saying you can't ever hit her like that again to me. It was disciplined him his abuse and I'll never forget crime because me what he was accusing me of was no happening happening but I knew he had a different childhood that I did and it was at that point that I just said I just need to disappear going hole in basically just kind of take a step back and not be a mob because WHO's at that point. The only thing I knew was abuse instead of I didn't know how to play with her. I'd never been around other kids. I had never you know I was raised around adults and didn't know how to play so I didn't know how to be a fun mom. I didn't know how to do anything other than put a movie on or play with blocks and even that got boring for reason so she wouldn't play so I didn't know how to play with her and all I knew how to do woods woods disciplined but then the discipline wound up being abuse and so from that point forward I just kind of went into being an m. i. Mom and that sucked so by making King of mistake one day you kind of just the shame almost took over and you just decided that. Would you say that you decided that since you couldn't be a good mom you just aren't going to be a mom at all. It's one hundred percent because I knew in my mind that I wasn't safe for her. Because of my judgment had already been clouded on that level once then I knew it could happen again and I didn't Wanna be that mom I figured it would be better for me to be missing mom or a not a mom or bad mom then to be an abusive mom and so it was at that point that I just decided that for her safety and for her wellbeing it would be better if I just wasn't involved so Taryn. How many years would you say you were? <hes> I mean you you were around you. It wasn't that you left you. Were around but <hes> you would probably maybe describe yourself as a distant mom I would take naps instead of being like if if I wasn't the only one that was at the house or taking care of her you know that's what I went back to work and I was like I'll oh work as many hours as I can because if I'm working than that's justifiable when I'm not around my daughter and my mother in law is a great mom so she can. She can raise her so she's in good hands there. I'm helping support the family. I'm not around them so I'm safer. If I'm not around the family I couldn't be a bad wife to James. I couldn't be a bad mom to re so as like I'll just work and you know it wasn't even like a high paying job aliens. I think I've even lost money because I was working retail clothing. If that tells you anything I ended up spending more than anything because there is also pain there too so of course I was spending to try to fill that void filled out pain and there's no amount of money or closer help with that <hes> <hes> so I just dove into that and no I was I was there but I wasn't present you can be in the same house and be so far away and you know every rose has its thorn lying next to each other and million miles apart inside like take that is how it was in our household we were present or we were there but we weren't present with one another okay so then obviously that had to just be that just had to feel like total like utter. Despair just is knowing because I'm guessing you knew you were a distant mother wasn't like you. You weren't aware of this. I knew it and but I couldn't take responsibility for it. I didn't know how to change it. There was no hope and so. I just had that much of it is what it is and it was just the thing that you did like once you had one kid than you were supposed to have another and then that started the whole okay well. Let's have another one and then that started the infertility issues that I had and so not only was I bad mom but now here I am infertile can't have a baby. Something's wrong with me knows like I am just like an ethically feeling woman here. That's that's how I felt like. I can't even do the most basic thing here she happens out of the blue and we actively tried for almost two years and then nothing happens so then I just began to be your immortal breast passed in the only thing that really helped me at that time was the medication that just kept me Numb so I was basically just numb mellowed out so that I didn't feel the full pain of it but I would just watch any kind of show that was on T._v.. Oh my show is on. Don't talk to mommy while my show is on. Oh Mommy's reading this book like I just would not interact with anybody. You'll only time I would interact would be if we were you know we lived out on a farm at the time if we were all outside playing because we wouldn't have to interact with one another so that's the only time that I would actually be present when there was actually no human communication necessary. So when did the switch happen because I know what kind of mom you are now and I know your kids and they're just amazing amazing human beings in your life's totally different now. You're totally different. Mom what what changed what was like the Aha moment the Aha moment moment there were two different ones. The physical one happened back in two thousand twelve when we finally had the answer to our health because we had been on that point between reese chaining and I we were on one hundred and forty four medications every a year as a base. All three of us were sick and it was after we had been introduced to this concept of health nutrition that within a month we walked away from all those medications when our physical local bodies were no longer fighting us we actually got to interact and we got to at least bring joy to one another so we were able to have a relationship we were able to laugh in play but then that's when I started working one hundred eleven hours so the hours that we did have were good but then I went into this ridiculous stage of I'm going to give them everything. I didn't have which meant buying a bunch of stuff money can't buy happiness. Money's like the kids don't want stuff. They won't time with you and so then I went through that phase will now that I can give that to them. I'm going to give that to them and they didn't care. They didn't want the IPAD. They didn't want all the stuff they just wanted us and I didn't realize that until that wakeup call when we went to I steps to success to realize that all of that stuff genuinely doesn't matter you've gotta get your priorities in line and that means time and so it's when I pulled away from working one hundred eleven hours a week that I started started just work the twenty and started to invest in the kids because I had time to talk to them. I had time to ask them questions. I asked about their day. I asked why they were doing things and I became not this. Why why why it became this this cool? Tell me more about that. ooh What made you do that so I just genuinely got to know our kids by asking them the questions and seeing this beautiful design that God had placed in our household and what I started to have have a deeper understanding of my purpose and how he designed me I recognized he had that them and it became this fascinating thing to start to understand who they are and to get them to understand who they are. Because as I was a dreamer I wanted to go to different countries. I wanted to be on a mission field. I didn't know what any of that meant as a twenty seven thirty four year old woman and you know the kids I was like if I could go back to deeper understanding outstanding when I was little and understand design and the things that made me at that time. How much further along could I be? How much more could I be doing for his kingdom and that's what I began to pull out of them to show them say you know when chains like mom I'm sorry are you know I didn't do the dishes and unlike body juicy which you built over there? Your mind went into a totally different zone and I know you were supposed to be doing dishes but I want you to understand what you just did in how special that it so why don't we do dishes together. You can tell me about it next time. Yes make sure you honor your father and mother and do the dishes or at least give me a heads up a wire distracted but I'm so proud that you got to really you know Houston. Grab the recycling Bin and it would be gone all the plastic taping everything would be gone and he would make something. I don't know what it is. He doesn't really know what it is but we got to talk about it and I see the unique things that are in him and so I began to actually just be present and allow natural instances like that's happened to where we just started to talk about it. That's powerful so I think that we need to speak to the MOM. I think we should talk to the mom who is your before. WHO's may be <hes>? <hes> you know maybe stuck in the depression. She may be feels like an utter failure and and to me from from what I'm getting from you it almost sounds like work was almost how you try to be a good mom like if you couldn't be there therefore them emotionally you're at least going to be there for them with money and you were going to work and provide and <hes> like let's talk to to that mom. Let's talk to the the depress mom. Let's talk to the MOM. It feels like she can't emotionally be there for her kids. Let's talk to the mom who <hes> is trying to do her best to love her kids with work. You know because I do think that <hes> you know work isn't always we're not always trying into fill of Wade for us it. Sometimes we feel like we're failing in this other area and work is how we feel like we are providing in that area and <hes> what advice what are the steps. That you would give that woman to to journey to the other side to journey to your after what what are the action steps that you would give her so that she knows okay. This is something I could do today to try to fix this in my life. Step one would be to talk to your kids and don't try to lead the conversation. It's time to play detective just like I did with James. How were you the most productive adoptive? When was it that you were at your best? You're basically going to your children now to figure out what they actually want and so without trying to skew the data with just wanting to see what the raw thing is is the desire of their heart. You you start asking questions so if it were recent chaining I'd say hey can you tell me about your favorite memory. What is it why and I would dig deep to figure out what is it that they get excited about? What is your favorite time? Were at the house which your a favourite Taiwan were on vacation. What's your favorite time because what identified as it didn't matter where we were in the world they just like having all four of us in the same room having a conversation? It doesn't matter if we're not talking to one another if we're all for reading a book in the same room there at peace they like to be challenged. They love to do things as a family. <hes> you know and be a part of something they loved to learn. They love to grow and what I recognized is. Can you buy any of those things nope and do you need any money or any of those things. No you really don't library cards are free. You don't have to buy every Bo- okay at Amazon you can go to the library you can go and have it adventure at the park. You can do so many things that are absolutely free and so none of it was necessary so when I started identify that you're I'm stressing myself out about you know a what I've had are we gonna buy them and then they I really don't care and they never mentioned the ipad they never mentioned any of the extravagant trips that we went on. They would mention certain things but those things had nothing to do with the location had everything racing to do about the connection between all of us. How did you tear and get over the emotional side of that feeling like you were a failure as a mom to having the confidence to actually go be the mom that you were created to be? How did you get over what I truly believe that the only way you ever fails if you make a choice to stay where you're at when you know that there's an option that's better so if I knew I was feeling at that moment I could either stay there or I could choose a different path in so I was choosing something different? I had tried and botch things in the past. Guess what I'm going to continue to try botch things in the future. That's not going to define me however however if I know that there's not a deep connection between the kids and I don't at least attempt something then that's where I'm wrong. I wanted to get to know reese a little bit more. We bought a joint journal <hes> that she and I pass back and forth we will go through different. Things thinks that if you're the type of person you're like I don't even know what to talk about with them. Get a journal Journal Teheran. Do you know so we can. It's called just between us and it's a mother daughter Journal. They also have one between grandmother her and a granddaughter. It's very powerful grape for sisters to link to it in the show notes just so people know where they can find that perfect and there's one <hes> for mothers and sons that I just found as well I don't remember the name of that one but I'll get the link and so that if you each filling your page and talk about it for thirty minutes that is a starting ground to start to get to know your kids and if you are actually genuinely interested in listening the conversation would never have to end because it will lead to something lead to something if you're like sending your timer and saying all right I put channing on my calendar for thirty minutes and so it spent thirty minutes if that's what your goal is guess what you're gonNA run out of things to talk about and so when the true overflow of your heart is to pull out into understand who your kids are and to understand their unique gifting and design that God has in them not try to change them not China's shift anything about them four point them in a direction just learn because they are flawlessly designed the flawlessly designed then you're gonNA learn so much more than you're going to be able to just be a facilitator and guide and a mentor because honestly that's all we are we <unk> are given our children and we're supposed to guide them until each thirteen at each thirteen may become his and there was a powerful moment that I realized that <hes> we were actually Nicaragua together recent I were we were driving through a dump trump and it was so hard to watch the kids play in the dump because one there were several kids and each one of them looked like an American version of one of Reece's Franz at home she saw it. I saw and it was just unreal. 'cause we realized that it the only difference between those kids and her or that they were born here or where they were in Nicaragua not in the U._S.. So it's very profound but there is a moment where she was starting to break down. She was starting to cry and I went over to the seat that she was under the bus because I was sitting across from her and I started to like move to console her and I heard very loudly stop. She's mine right now and I'm working on her. I'm breaking her for a purpose and that's when I realized that they are not really our children we are just blessed to raise them but they are his and it is our job to guide them and to show them who it is that he has created them because they already have everything they need. They don't lack anything they are the C. They have everything to become that full tree later on in life and whatever they're supposed to do they lack nothing. We just have to help them. Identify just like we're looking to identify if I what is it enough that he has done with a purpose <hes> just a praise report just a follow up from that <hes> terrence daughter reese has since that moment raised over seventy five thousand dollars to build homes. uh-huh for the people who used to live in that dump I've actually seen that dealt with my own eyes and nobody lives in that dump anymore. There are houses there and <hes> so just a beautiful beautiful thing. Well okay so tarrant. Can you share. I don't really know this part of your story because I've only known you since you've become like this amazing mom so I've only seen the goods other jacked up but <hes> you know we've talked about it quite a bit in our friendship and but I'm curious this I don't actually know the answer to this question is back when you were more distant and James was taking on the bulk of the parenting did you did you have behavioral issues shoes that you were dealing with in your children. Were they acting out because of the distance or oh this is really good <hes> yes and no the kids are really good but they were not honoring in any way shape or form to me and it was interesting because when James and I didn't honor one another I could see that the kids wouldn't honor me because he didn't honor me and the kids kids only trusted him. He was their only source of stability and so they this is really hard actually to because James had to be mom and dad and so it didn't really matter what I did or didn't do in the house like Oh always mom here is she not like that's all it was she's either here or not and then when I started to become more present after I stopped working the hundred and eleven hours a week honestly nobody wanted me there that was hard because they had gotten used to their lives. You're looking at two thousand sixteen so recess twelve so moms sounds like if you ever feel it's too late like already botched this up like I don't have the right like it's never too late to shift and change because things have drastically changed in our lives in this timeframe so you're talking reese was twelve in channing was eight and they developed their routines like James Recent chaining did this on this day. At this time. I wasn't a part of that I was gone and so when I started to insert myself offer here's something profound realized this when they were born. I was depressed. I was never actually there until two thousand sixteen as a mom wow not once and so that was a learning curve for the whole family because you know how in your family everybody kind of has their place like this person does this. This person does this. James recent chaining were completely functional without me. It's almost like adopting a child or adopting an adult and a new member of the family completely because they had never actually known me to be present. Now I was safer. Hey for since two thousand twelve because I was no longer physically ill <hes> I was no longer depressed but I wasn't present and so two thousand sixteen was actually the first time that I was actually there and that was a learning curve that was hard because he was like what what are you doing here. This is my role and so he had to relearn how to not be Mr Mom. He had to learn how to be the DAD and I had to learn how to be a mom and we I was infringing on his territory. <hes> that was not my place ace so then it was a wh- what right do you think you have how like you've been gone for this long. Now you think you can just Walton's alike recognized that they have to go through a grieving process. They have to go through that. I'm mad at you because you weren't here so now now that I understand you are here and this is what this looks like. Where have you been? I had to basically allow my children to be mad at me for not being present for that long and they had a right to because they were right and I had to understand that and I had to just keep persisting not pushing my agenda but to try to figure out within the family. Where do I fit what is my role? What can I do? How can I come alongside and how how can I actually be the mother of this family because I hadn't been for twelve years? Wow so did you have to come to a point where you sat down and apologize to your children. Oh I've absolutely apologized to them many times. I've apologized to them for my ego for so long for thinking that they wanted to be to have their love bought versus just loved I've had to apologize. It is for them for so many things and I consistently do now as well as I find myself you know failing in different things but I did. I went back and ask them for forgiveness and that was very healing especially Ashley for race because Reece's older she's four years older than channing and so she had a deeper understanding but that's where recent I have such a deep connection. Now we have coversations and you know we are very close and I don't treat her as a child but I also don't treat her as my best friend because that is dangerous as well <hes> you know I've seen so many times and experienced it. Oh while my kids are my best friend and that doesn't always go well. There is a line you are a mom and you can still be a mom without being this horrible witch you can and so there needs to be that line of respect but recent I have that dynamic between the two of us and I think that's extremely powerful because what is that yielded that has yielded a daughter that chose on her own not to have a cell phone. Please tell me a fourteen year old that thinks it's better not to have a cell phone at her age. <hes> this is yielded somebody that has decided on their own that she's not ready for dating. This is somebody that has decided that home. School is the right fit for her <hes> and she really makes her own decisions because I just help her through the process. I don't teach her. Her what to think I teach her how to think and they are two very different things to that. I don't tell her how things are supposed to be done. I ask her the questions that will help her arrive at her own answer and so that dynamic is very strong between the two of us but it came from being very transparent and honest and asking for forgiveness this is so powerful and I just just to kind of recap as we kind of wrap up this episode and really our series agrees with uterine as a whole. I think your story is such a story of redemption. I mean there are so many moms out there who are really doing their best in you know maybe they're dealing with the behavior issue or maybe <hes> <hes> you know they're feeling like a failure and and they just are like they don't see where it could get any better and I have to tell you as somebody who has been terrence friend for several years now like her kids and her relationship with her kids. You would never know that that she used to live that life. You would never know that she used to be a distant mom. You would never know that she and reese have never been to like never were two peas in a pod and that they had like kind of this Perot can distant relationship. You would never know that the amount of restoration that has happened and here's the thing and what I've noticed about uterine is that you laid down your ego. You forgave yourself. That was probably one of the biggest things because I'm sitting here and I'm just like she hasn't even touched on this but there's no doubt in my mind that you had to have some serious forgiveness of yourself. Do you WanNa touch on that a little bit and yet again in order to love your neighbor Labor. You have to love yourself and that is something that I blame myself. I was so mad at myself because for a while I didn't know what I was supposed to be doing. I just figured that I was doing all the right things like I genuinely if you would've asked me back in two thousand thirteen. I was an awesome mom Tom Darn right like I deserved a medal in my mind so then to go back and see just how foolish I was just how <hes> how wrong I was and to know that there was a time there was a time I actually stood on a stage in front of seven thousand people and I was proud of myself for missing my daughter's birthday because I was building the business so that she could have a better future but it was okay because I was going to take her to swim with dolphins. Wow it was so wrong on so many levels and I had no idea how foolish I was and so yes not only. Did I have to forgive myself for being so deceived. I had to forgive myself for the wake that it caused but here's here's the thing that really sucks about growing up in front of thousands of people at forgive myself for that chain reaction that caused another moms that is what really got me because I could go back and I apologize to raise. I could ask for forgiveness for race. But how do you go back to all the MOMS that were in that room that skipped something that actually meant something to their children. You know <hes> I I can't remember who it was said this but I think it might have even been Danny Johnson and if you haven't caught onto to this yet by listening to Taryn and I we both have attended first steps to success. That's actually where I met. Taryn was first steps to success <hes> because she's mentioned it several times and I've mentioned it before I think it might have been Danny was talking about how you know we plant seeds were constantly planting seeds in everything that we do and she says some of Y'all need to pray for some crop failure and I think that this is you know that's one of those things where but look at this Taryn Karen I mean just look at this and I just want to reflect for a second as we wrap. This up is right now. Not only not only. Did you pray for some crop failure. I'm sure but you're planting new seed. You're planting new seed. You're literally on a platform right now. Telling your story about how you a your story of redemption really that's really what it is. A huge story of redemption and God can take from such a broken as such a broken deceived place to to where you are now like this is phenomenal to to where people are saying cleese have Taryn leg or on the kingdom mom podcasts because we need to learn about what she's doing in her home and we need to learn how to be the kind of mom that she is and we need to learn like she's got her priorities in place immediately to learn from this woman that you can literally go from such a place of depression and despair and suicidal thoughts and being distant mom and not feeling like you're good enough to the person that people look up to and they say you know I wanna be. I WANNA be a mom like Taryn like that is just such a powerful story like he he really does move mountains. I was told by mountains <hes> scripturally our people and he can move some mountains and he does so I just WanNa thank you so much for being a guest in just sharing your story <hes> and being vulnerable for our audience here and I'm so excited to hear the stories that come out of people listening to this because I think <hes> you know I think a lot of times you know people people view Christian moms as the stay at home mom who's you know doing this and this and baking pies and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and the real reality is is were also different. We all just have such different stories in life if is messy and we all have these messy things that there's beauty in that Messin such great redemption can come out of that so thank you so so much and I cannot wait to have you back on the podcast next time 'cause girl. We've got some more stuff to talk about so thank you so much. Thank you for spending on her. We hope you enjoyed this episode of the Kingdom on podcast. 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#146 Conversations in Quarantine Taryn Voget-The Gypsy Genius

"Welcome everybody's time once again for the next chapter with Charlie hedges as he explores turning the page on his life and yours. Hey Charlie Hey Paul how you doing today? I'm doing good today here at the Sun's coming out and I'm trying to be positive you're trying to be positive. Does that mean it's a difficult choice? Well you know. We're going through difficult times but I'm trying to learn from what you and Terry talked about. In your last show fine sacred in the ordinary moments here and reach out to people. Don't just sit back alone and think the world's coming to an end here that podcast released today and and I hope that that some of our listeners have already had a chance to catch onto one thing. You said that it's that I think is really important. One of the things that we talked about. How do you deal with or manage your time during this During this is self isolation's Day at all inconvenience illness. Yeah and and one of the things that we should do that we talked about doing is calling friends and I have called on you. You know I'm not coming by normal friends and I'm calling people. I haven't talked to for two or three years. Yeah right it is. It's really interesting talking to them because I don't know what's going on in their life and so what. Here's what I was thinking about what you think about this. That I don't know if I'll do a series of it or it's a one week show to be once a month ever how long this this Corentin last? But but I'm I'm calling a conversation in quarantine I like it. I like it because we're here's what I here's what I thought it's a crazy i. It's a crazy idea is a little off the wall. Yeah Yeah what if we were to call one of my friends and and I'm thinking of my friend the the eternal creative gypsy taryn vogue et. Who lives everywhere around the world two or three times a year and just moving around doing different things? And I haven't spoken with Darren for Kosh six to eight months and we used to talk like monthly and so I'm curious what it would be like so I'm thinking what if we call terron and just have a conversation have a checkup conversations with that right on the air for everybody to hear here to the unvarnished real. Hey how you doing i. I'd love to do it because I hear this more. And more now since you brought this idea this idea of calling people. I have asked more and more people. Are You doing that? And more and more people telling me I'm hearing from people haven't heard from in years. I'm hearing from people. I'm I'm feeling a need to reach out to people I'm alone I'm isolated. I WanNa connect what anybody alive out there. What's happening in the world and I can't take it alone so I can't go out and build an actual community can't go to church can't go to a bar can't go to sports game so little I do. I sit and dial for people because I'm lonely. I need a connection. Well we're going to give it a shot and and like Today's podcast it. Is You know well. You will edit this a little bit but this is. This is not a prepared. I have not prepared a list of questions for Taryn. It will truly be a conversation and that she and I can have. We can have long conversations. You always you always mentioned that you say and I. I've always found that interesting because most people I know don't have long conversations anymore. Quick conversations on the phone. Hi How are you coming over? Good sees soon. Most people do not want to sit like I remember being a kid. Where pupil would talk on the phone for hours. Oh I know when you were a kid you did talk on the phone for hours. And HAD WE HAD PARTY LINES. You did at your. I never had one of those. I know of them and then we had then we got the exclusive for Person Party line and we finally got our own line. But I don't really recall how we manage the party. Line was the number of rings. Different people would pick up a different numbers of things right. I just remember having a phone. We only had one phone. The House like most people and I would tie it up certainly when I was a teenager but even earlier which is talk forever talk for hours so my buddies are my friends and the phone. Eventually we had girlfriends all my. Yeah talk for hours to your girlfriend and my parents are taking the line. Let's not. Let's talk to a girlfriend gave. Let's talk to To love to. Colorado's my gypsy Gypsy friend. And she's Quite successful you know just just a bit for our for our listeners attorneys not your everyday gypsy. She lived for a year sort of bootstrapping it in Europe traveling Europe which is a fabulous story. I met her at spacex where she was consulting and coaching executives at SPACEX and the last job she had she doesn't have now because she those doesn't last as long she gets bored and she was in an executive position at the gates foundation and she has since moved out of San Francisco. And I think she's living down here in southern California now but I'm not sure so we will find out all about Taryn. Who's extremely talented and extremely interesting. All right We dialed this week. Every shot dial up dialer up and she's on the phone Taryn or you're with us. Hi I am Mike Charlie. Did you hear my introduction of u? Half of it and he says it's nice things about me. Thank you come in just as you were saying. She can't hold a job though side that that part. That's the part I brought true. I just I just said my My Loving Gypsy friend that you truly are gypsy. I you know when mom says about me to does she. Yup well you will. Don't you say about are you? I like to think of it as flexible blacks. It'll be four. I'm going to be flexible and duck out of this but before we do. I don't know if Terri knows today's topic. But you and Terry your good friend. We're talking the other day about. How do we handle this isolation we're forced into we for years we said? Hey we all want a little more time now we got it in spades and most of us are scared and frightened to be alone at home particularly during difficult times. Can't go to church. Get and go to the Bar. Sports game gaining grover and hang out with your neighbors. So how do we handle you guys said old fashioned write letters or or get on the phone and call? Somebody haven't heard in a while and that led to this idea. What would that look like as I don't know what a long phone conversation looks like? I haven't called a friend in talk for an hour in years. So that's Today's experiment. You guys are GONNA show us. You're gonNA model that good behavior. Well let's Let's see in Paul. I can't believe you can't talk for an hour because you can talk for now. I feel that's tariffs but nobody let them. Maybe that's IT and everybody was I hang up. Get off the phone. I I've heard enough here. Okay Taryn so it's been six. We we chatted ever so briefly. But I didn't want to chat and death and we agree to spend at least six to eight months. Do you know you're on the show. You are one of the first ones on the show. You our number twenty six on the show and we've done. We're doing one forty six right now. We're getting done. That many shows gosh time flies. Time flies yeah it was. I think it may have been I. I don't have my I my spreadsheet open but I think it might've even been late two thousand eighteen that we talked. It could not have been that long. I mean I've been I. I will admit I've been a bit of a cave. I've been working very hard on some projects but I'm emerging so you're timing for the cave so you haven't been in a cave. I know you haven't been in a cave for for eight months you're doing. You must have been doing something really interesting before then. I can't remember the last time we spoke. But we'll get you caught up It was a little over a year ago. I said January last year That a colleague nineteen up a little over a year ago said Hey. Would you interested in doing some consulting projects at Kiva and Kiva a lot of people kiva? It's a nonprofit that is best known for doing micro loans in over eighty five countries around the world. And if you don't know what a micro loan is where you and I might take out a twenty thousand dollar loan to start a business or buy a car and a lot of developing countries. Fifty dollars will buy you something to get a business going or one hundred dollars. Five hundred dollars and so The idea is that by lending small amounts of money. You can really help entrepreneurs get their business going or helping pay for supplies or medical or college or whatever And so the loan amounts are typically very small microloans and the way the platform works. Is that people like you and Majors Joe. Jane public goes and makes loans and twenty five dollar increments to people around the world and you get paid back there just zero percent interest that you lend at so. That's how he was known. It was one of Oprah's favorite things. It's a really well known nonprofit so anyway Colleague of mine went. There asked me to come do some consulting which I thought I'd say for three months and they kept asking me to do more and more interesting projects and here I am a little over a year later Just about to wrap up the last of the projects they asked me to do. So it's been but it's an intense. Small companies are interesting. I mean Cuba's about one hundred twenty employees and the smaller the company the harder you have to work because there's not big stacks things you end up doing it all so in a cave busy. I know I'm in I'm in. I'm in his staff in the United States. That has six people in one in Uganda. That has six people so you are caught doing doing doing all the work. Not all the work I mean. Everybody's really fantastic. It's just you're doing much more work than you would normally do. But but one thing that's really interest that the listeners may find interesting isn't it with microloans. They're the lowest default to Vinnie. Loan out there. They get paid back at Mike. A ninety eight percent rate or something like that on my my right on that or you are right And and the the repayment rate since sort of varies amongst the demographic but on average about ninety six point five percent repayment rate What's an average loan you know? I don't know what to stats are on the average again. It depends on the country and the region demographic I think it's around five hundred dollars the average loan. No no no. I mean what's the average rate of default on on on loans that are made in the United States? I mean I just told me that number I wanna say it's it's higher than you. I mean it's like a default rate is like twenty percent tie my goodness we're we're we're no. You told me you have fun. Things like skiing to right. Oh I did of you know I. I Made Twenty nineteen year to get in shape and so I hired a trainer of into the gym. I've been good. My sister called me in. I WANNA say it was September October and said Hey I wanNA do a big blow up my fortieth birthday Let's go skiing in Chamonix France for skiing enthusiast shamny. Frankie considered like hard skiing. It's just sort of steep and hard just really good snow and good place key And so like all right. So I ended up Upping my trading regime and getting myself an extra good ski shape and she and I went skiing for a week and Shimoni in January. It was the most glorious week it was sunny every day. That snow is flawlessly perfectly time. That is great. And you've been you've been working out to fit. I was doing Working out with my trader cycle and then everything got shut down. What has it been a month ago now And so I'm just trying to figure out so I worked so hard Now it's all going. It's all going away so I called my trainer. Jt and I love him and he agreed to meet some random neighborhood grasp patch because everything here in Santa Monica was closed and so working out with him match thirty two days ago and he stands like fifteen feet away from me and he told me what to do and I do it. And that's where we're out fritzy bring weights or anything or is it just He's got some small equipment. I've got some small equipment between the two of us. We have like enough to. I mean it's Jim they'll get me wrong But it's you know that's all you need. That's that's incredible that you do that. Mine is Eating peanut butter lavish brands. And that's how fabulous. I swear we're all going to emerge about twenty pounds. Heavier after Corentin is over. Because I don't know about you but I'm a total Boredom eater and so you know I'm at home all day and it's like every twenty minutes I get up and I have a bite of this or a bite of that and by the end of the day. I'm sure four thousand calories. Well you know what I I. It really gained weight and I just lost between January and now but it was mostly. I lost it in about a six week period but I lost twenty three pounds that six weeks. What did you do? I just changed my eating patterns. I didn't eat sweets. Two meals a day. I you know I have. I have eggs lentil spinach for breakfast. I don't eat lunch and then I have a salad with no dressing at night. That's it. Well that's inspiring. I could take a page out of your chapter. Yeah so so you you've had you've had one job this whole time. I mean I can't cut the job for a year you know. And it's so not like me. I'm not a good fulltime employees and I'm still technically consultant It it it's been one organization but about ten different jobs Latest one's been somewhat of the most. I would say the most interesting It's the one that I feel like. I've gained some interesting perspective on that came in and did a bunch of things they work directly with the CEO and a bunch of projects A RAN PR. For which is really interesting. Because I got to go to New York on Pierre Tour and we met with the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times all these fancy be prestigious. Forbes and fortune and all these fancy prestigious. And He's thinking your mind. Oh my gosh. It's such a big deal to talk to the media but the actual sausage making of it is not at all like you imagine like. You're in some dingy cafe with a reporter who's like underpaid totally frazzled. Trying to get done and twenty minutes. That's what big new series. What's like just like in the movies Yeah and we got covered the Financial Times. That was a big deal so I I ran. Tr really interesting moment in time for Kiva and let's let's back up on Ellen World did you run PR graphics experience or any any public relations. Experience are now stopping partner. Just nothing about pr and we had hired an agency that was able to get all of those media places. But I still had to coordinate and show up and figure out talking points for the CEO and all kinds of stuff is very eye opening them and then we had a big huge project in Africa. In Sierra Leone rolling out this first digital identity system where you can actually walk into a bank fingerprint in. They would know who you are. You could open up a bank counter alone. Which for us. We don't even think about it. It's just like what we do. But in a lot of countries especially in Africa they don't even have birth certificates. Nobody knows who they are. They don't have a social security number. Nothing so it's impossible to vote get a driver's license open bank account and so this is a big project to Make all that happen. With with a with biometric fingerprint scan and so we launched that project In Gosh what was it now. It was last year it might have been September August or September and it was just a big PR flurry around it. Every major publication picked up the story because it was really quite a cutting edge story. And so that that was crazy. It was crazy last fall I didn't I didn't get the meeting places. I just managed all of it on the internal side for Kiva so you're not in Sierra Leone. I know I sent a teammate. To go early just really far away and go and you know it's funny actually. There wasn't that much media in Sierra Leone. Most of the reporters picked up the story remotely so it wasn't really necessary to beat press conference we have crew there the whole bit. I am spoiled. I probably shouldn't even say this on air but when I when I go to Africa I will not fly coach. I wanted to make it. I want somebody coming in serving me well and that was actually a little bit where my head was that which. I am not getting on the plane for twenty two hours coach. You know. It's a nonprofit right. We're flying coach and I had a staffer that was completely thrilled to go and coach. You go yeah. Yeah so what are you? What are you learning these days? Besides your yes. So that was just a brief stint We there there was sort of an interesting twist of events. Kiva and A key executive left and they asked me if I wouldn't mind running. Hr and facilities for a while and wait a minute. Wait a minute. Yeah you went in doing was I went in doing some consulting projects He's a variety of things like four or five different small projects that they needed help with and then the CEO. And I got along really well and he said Hey. Would you come help me run a bunch of other projects and then head of PR left and he's like God? Would you mind stepping into do pr and this is how the year went? It was a whole bunch of like people leaving or stuff getting shit around in Teheran. Could you just do it so I've had at least three jobs all year and then they asked me if I would run? Hr and facilities. And I said I will do it as long as There's a timeline on it and I can find you the perfect person that will really you know? Take you where you need to go because this is neither my passion nor do not have deep expertise in HR. I mean I love people and I'm interested in facets of it but HR is its own thing some binny's and all of that kind of thing sort of our operations that like you know from the sausage making of the people side. I'm more interested in like the Training Development Coaching. And the you know all of humanity of business. Yeah and that's that's you know when you're in a small organization that's not all that much of the job to be honest. It's just US making the people in the people operations But yes they asked me to do it. I said yes One of the reasons that I felt compelled to say yes was that He was lease was up. Kiva is located in downtown. San Francisco headquarters are in downtown. San Francisco lease was up and they needed someone to find a new office and get everybody moved and I have a sort of a sort of a side passion for interior design and I was like all right. I can get behind that project if I could design in the office ensuring that we want so found new office for Kiva randomly. It's two blocks away Beautiful Office space for the company. Yeah I've been there was. We had an agent that helped us but yeah of course the responsibility. Yeah we'll find it and And and part of the reason we were we needed to also wanted to move because the space was just not the right. Space for us is too expensive. It just was too big for what we needed so found actually much nicer space for way less money people away and I got to do kind of a fun project which is designed to save a hired a designer and designed what I think the way office should be designed to given the constraints that they had. Which was you know budget Obviously it's nonprofit was working on the NFL Gates Foundation budget and Designed to really cool office and the funny thing is. It was all set to open last Monday. And of course that didn't happen so I had a brand new beautiful office sitting utterly empty at the moment is it is it. Did you design it? In the in the way work sort of model of all the standing and and open space or do or is it an office space. Well every office now is one big huge open office. You know the the days of cubicles and you know private offices are just gone. They don't exist anymore so it's a big open space. But I've never been a huge fan of sick open spaces because I think they're really hard to work in so I got to add all of the things I think. Make an open space work which is phone booths and meeting pods and privacy lounges in spaces where you can actually like thinking. Be Quiet As well as communal state what designed the coolest kitchen With you know cool sort of starbuck style seating and all kinds of cool things and did it on a total budget but it looks fantastic So made it really dream. I think I think officers should have plants and feel green until delicious. And so it's got all these natural materials implants living walls. Now's all fake because we can have living but it looks like it. Looks like it's real Feels like it's real so it's yeah I'm pretty proud of. What is the square footage? How big is the place? Any one hundred square feet. Yeah and that takes a hundred other. It's not one hundred twenty people in there. No no no so Funny Enough I mean team is actually got off of all over the place a big one in Portland when a New York couple in around the world and a lot of remote staff But the truth of the matter is there's about seventy people in San Francisco but I've been doing the math and on any given data about forty in the office. People are traveling. They're remote ever meetings. They're working from home or whatever it is so I designed an office to fit about. Forty people eighty-one square feet will handle four people forty people. It'll handle more than that but I only forty desk That sounds like Zyrtec house for a single person. Eighty one hundred square feet. You know I don't need a big space. I need a perfectly designed space and so you can have a big space. It's not well designed. This doesn't feel cozy right so you really are. You know somebody the other day and I and I. I declined the the the description but says you know you're really a renaissance man and I said no I'm just basically I'm just curious and so and I and I get bored easily but you really are a renaissance woman. You have so many talents. It just seems anytime anybody else do anything I can do that. And then you what do you do you go to computer and look it up and see how to do it. No not usually usually. It's like obvious it's so funny. I know the CEO. I can do anything except for like physics and science But anything else I can do. Just let me know what you need. yeah you know you really good at accounting because your sap specialists to my dear know sap and the Oracle Yeah You know it's funny. When I when I started my career I worked for accenture consulting firm and you sort of get thrown into these projects and you have to figure it out and I think that it just really young you just walk into situation you know nothing about industry you know nothing about a client you really know nothing about and you have about a week to figure it out and so I built muscle of like Oh. That's how you do it. You just ask him questions. He figured out. And it's not that difficult. I mean most things in business are just not that difficult You know I I I read once I went my wife at one time was a career counselor and she had found a statement. I think out of Harvard Business Review or something that that the average job the average business job in America can be learned in ninety days. I totally believe that. Yeah we got these kids doing stupid degrees in. I'm sorry kids but kids. Twenty five year olds going to business school and college and I think is such a waste of time you know when they should be doing liberal arts education and learning how to thank learning philosophy and literature and languages it just it cures him so much further in life. I I got an undergraduate degree in business. I went to Georgetown. Is You know and I got an undergraduate degree in business. I was a finance and management double major. And I'll tell you what you learned in that program you learn how to work with people. Because every single class has group projects that require you to collaborate and deliver something together and he learned how to use tools like excel and powerpoint. Actually do learn useful. Business Gilson did you. Oh okay so maybe well I won't take it back but I will reconsider it somewhat because I really do believe that we do miss out in the liberal arts education. Why don't disagree with you there? Yeah Yeah so yes so anyway to finish answering your question. I now run. H Aren't but we're actively hiring my replacements Because I said I will see you through the office move which was supposed to happen last week. It's now empty. But in theory we could move in And it's been really fascinating to run a team in these times especially the last month so I feel like I've learned a lot actually so I guess I'm not like a set about it. I mean I don't really like having a fulltime job but I'm I've learned a lot so that's been good. So what are you doing? What kind of tools are you using now in this time where everybody is sequestered? Well you know the truth is I was an utter denial about the whole situation until about Sunday. God they're serious so luckily have some colleagues take it as seriously than me. I mean we had to evacuate staff out of like ten different foreign countries and we made it like some of our staff made on the last flight out before border shut. Africa yeah We had two staff members in Honduras that were literally on the last flight back to the US. And so there's just been some crazy things You know the the thing that's been interesting about the situation on the business front. Is that the. The situation keeps changing daily. And so it's really hard to know what to do. What's the plan and so obviously I don't know whatever. It was two three four weeks ago. We send everybody home so no one could come into the office any of our offices around the world so it was mandatory work from home our location dollar staff and now. I've got kids at home and so they're trying to work from home with kids. One of our attorneys has four kids and his wife. Isn't your doctor. So he's an attorney trying to do business with four small kids at home and no wife around helps and so I mean that reaches single where he's not. I mean he's married but during the day he's a single dad trying to sees the Er being the miss that. I'm sorry yeah. Yeah and so You know so. We've got sort of that on on one extreme. We've got younger staff members that have like three or four roommates and nowhere to actually have a zoom call or a conference call. I mean it's been really hectic. No one's really got the groove of it yet Trying to figure out like how do you work from home? With all these distractions and you know my team is people people who you know and when you're a person in your home by yourself all day like it's not good for your sanity so I've got people that are struggling emotionally fabio. It's just really everyone's having such a different experience working from home but I mean I were. Were another eight ten weeks in. I think to a work from home scenario. And everyone's just trying to figure out how to do it when he gets been interesting though in. This is a lot of companies have allowed flexible work and there have been sort of more and more so over the last couple of years but this feels like it just tipped everybody right over the edge in terms of really making working from home the new the new way. We're going to start doing things coming to the office will be the special thing not the expected thing so. I think it's really going to change the whole landscape work. Oh Yeah We. We had a show that we did. We did last week and then we couldn't. We couldn't tape it because I remotely got a new and I didn't set it up correctly and and it was sort of inaudible so we have to Redo the show but we talked about the changes that are going to come to come place gonNA come to place as a as a as a result of this of this sheltering in place and remote working as one of the first one of the first things that came to place and and a whole lot more over more virtual yet yet we you know what I think. We're discovering as well as well we can do more work at home. They're still really as a need like what you said as a people person. There's a need for connectivity. We we just cannot do without face to face as in you know. I don't know if we'll ever hug again. But you know the human touch. There is something so important about that that I can see people who are really in need of that you know the extroverted kind of person. That really needs people. This could be an extremely difficult time. Yeah so I. I went for a walk and I was walking around my neighborhood this morning as I do. Because what else am I going to do? And it's like the most uncomfortable feeling when you're walking down the sidewalk and someone's coming toward you most likely with a dog and they leave the sidewalk. Go on the street walk around you and then get back on the sidewalk like it makes me feel like. I'm some social pariah. It just it's not good for ego and yet they're doing it for their safety in mind like obviously I understand that and yet the feeling in the moment is Oh my God. This person like is trying to avoid me. What did I like that horrible? It's like it's not here any nine look good young. I know it's just. It's so awkward. I I am yeah. You know what we're finding is that we walk a week. We do a daily walk around the neighborhood and we do that but I would say. Twenty percent of the people are so at a twelfth distance. We have a conversation and we've had like fifteen minute conversations. He's people dying to talk to somebody other than the people that are living your friendly neighborhood that that's cool. I have a neighborhood. I'm I'm probably seventy percent Asian in my neighborhood and they're typically very quiet and very much to themselves but you know come this time. You know. We're finding everybody's quite talkative and and you know you can have a conversation with just about everybody and there was a guy walking by the other day and said Oh second thought I recognize you and we had no idea who this guy was no idea but we had you know that a five or ten minute conversation with him so be ready. That's your next step. Is that after. You do your ten foot then. You have a conversation. Well how did you feel like you're going to have some new neighborhood friends or is it just like a one time thing? Did he come on? I'm a you know I I'm an integral you know. Terry Terry had this seat posted on one of his On one of his blogs he posted you know coming from Govan Cova stay at home. Avoid people and avoid contact in large places and the introvert response. I've been planning for this my entire life sort of you know. I don't I don't mind it because I I do really well in solitude I do I do. I Miss People and seeing people to some degree. Yes yes you know I realized need I? I wrote on that a couple of weeks ago. The Need for connection. That's one thing. That's I think. That's one thing that's becoming apparent. We are going to become more viral but at the same time viral virtual virtual viral more virtual. But at the same time during during this period we are indeed facing the need for for connection for human connection and get interest zoo or videoconference. It's just not the same at all. It's not to say but you know I don't mind it I'd I'd I like my my son and his wife. You know my son got married. You didn't know that my son got married in November a really. I did not know that. Congratulations did well timely. Eighty since high school for eight years. So it's it's it's like time and you know it's coolest thing about Attaran is that he He asked me to be the best man in his wedding. Oh that's so cool. So we have a conversation with them over Over Zoom on every Thursday. You know once a week we have a a time set Thursday at four o'clock and we zoom and it's not the same but it you know I'm not completely dissatisfied with it. Well he's gotta be bummed. I mean baseball season happening. What's going on? We just don't know you. They figured out some things to help players they got They got a little bit of advance on their salary so they got some money because they don't get paid till they play so they got a little bit of money and then there's this thing called service time that's very important it has to do with your hitting free agency and hitting arbitrations and on they get. Even if the season were to be closed they still continued to get their service service time so so they're okay baseball wise but they're missing out on big salaries and there and now they're just locked up at home you know they. They stay away from each other difficult. It used to be very active. I mean not only active. I mean you know like if somebody's players probably have home gym but not everybody and even my house. Is You know the benches for for bench press and he has all the weights and he has a some kind of bike machine. You know that new famous bike machine right now. The one that's really popular Peleton. Yes yes yes yes. He has one of those so he and his wife get to work out there both workout people so they get to do that and then China to do damage to one another. That was just a short engagement because it feels like this happened somewhat suddenly or but I just missed this whole chapters. It was it was it was. It was about a year long process because what they had to do as they had to get married in the off season. If they didn't he asked her in January and the off season they got married in November. If they didn't get married this off season then they would have to wait a whole `nother year and a half in it. Yes to marry him and eighty sided. Let's just make this thing happen from January to November and they had an incredible wedding so everything was round where they have it in fallbrook. Do you know where that is. It's north of San Diego. No I did some kind of a peaceful little place and they headed at a wedding venue and it was just really quite beautiful by Nice scorcher. Congratulations Yeah so so I'm curious about. Why do you think it is that you are so gypsy is it? Because you're a renaissance woman really Chris Tyranny Really Yard Gypsy. I mean you're living Francisco now right now. I'm in Santa Monica Santa Monica. That's where I knew you are but I I believe in San Francisco so I work from home. Sometimes I go there sometimes. So I I travel up there usually like a week or two months but Yeah so I've been doing that since they third at Kiva Yup Should have been traveling a lot. I don't know I guess some part of my soul just likes to be different places I'm not really good at rooting into any one place very well. Whether it's a physical location or company or thing and I do I get Boards the right word but it feels like I've done it. You know an African like I've done it. I'm ready for the next thing. And I think the desert part like I've mastered enough and now staying on like I suck at maintenance like you want me on. A project needs to be built. You don't want me on maintenance second maintenance so I don't know I'm just someone that likes to build new things and that's just how I'm wired. I don't know why I'm gypsy. I guess that's why you know I Another a gypsy him. Because you're in your locale Gypsy of Menu Change. You change locations that'll change locations as much but I do change my my goals and my desires for things like when I was painting I taught myself to paint. You know that and I painted for sears and I realized that I couldn't go what I was doing unless I really started began studying and really tried to pursue using your word of mastering. It was quite good at it. You know there are a lot of my paintings. Were junk or a handful that are are pretty decent but I lost desire and it just you know I. I didn't I had no desire to become you know to become a master at it which would have then consumed all of my time. All of my time would have been painting and drawing and I don't have time to spend all of my time on one thing. I've got too many things that I'm that I'm working on too many things that I'm looking at what I understand that because I do think that a certain mastery requires a level of focus. It's all consuming and unless you're really really passionate about it. It's hard to find that time but to decide to spend all of your time on that thing. Yeah both of those to find the time and then the desire to spend all of your time on that one thing and and you know is that what they call the jack-of-all-trades kind of person and now back to Charlie? Hey this is Charlie hedges on the next Chapter Charlie and talking with we're having our quarantine conversations and my first one is with my dear dear friend Taryn vogue at who is A Renaissance Woman In colloquial that's Gypsy but she's Done so many different things in one of the things turn has done. Is You listen to the first half of the PODCAST. You could see the the extents the extent of her corporate activities but she has an idea of genius that we talked about maybe over a year ago and and I think that's worthy of rehearsing. Talk to me about your concept the genius Taryn well the concept of genius. It's really evolved over time but I the way I've really come to understand. Geniuses would number of different things come together but I just taught a class on genius And the way I said the name of the class genius is a VERB PEOPLE JUNIOR. The now like Oh. She's a genius or over he's genius or oh that's genius but really. I think the way the better way to think about genus. Oh genius thing her. Oh she's genius thing. It really is a verb. And the reason I say that is because jinx about ultimately it's about focus it's about focusing on something to the extent that you're great at it or genus added and then those moments are those epiphanies are those others or the brilliant ideas in those Com as part of the process of Genius Sing But I love I love Michelangelo. You know the same sculptor and painter his best. Coda us all the time and he said if people knew how much work this was they wouldn't call genius and he said that he is being chapel right. I was like that so true. I wouldn't call it genius And I I think that's such a troop thought about genius. I mean you look at anybody whether you know the great geniuses of our times like the Elon. Musk swimming mean these are people that are so focused on the thing Connotations than a genius Would you say if would nealon Moscow? It a nealon. Musk that in this definition. Well so if I go back to. Jean has verb right. And you gotta think well. Then what are you doing when you're genius thing and what you're doing when you're genius thing is a couple of things is you're you're operating from some level of passion? You're excited about the singer. Cases excited about electric cars rocket ships and engineering and You know in other people's cases they're passionate about painting or dancing or accounting or whatever. The thing is right either some level of passion and then the second part of it when you're genius thing is there's all these components of what I would call strategy right like you're good at strategy and strategy has two sub components under it You're thinking about it in a way that maybe someone else isn't that is unique to you. My sister for example is a really quite a genius Baker and she's got a a bake shop and the way she thinks about it. She is operating from goals around baking. That are just so interesting you know like she wants croissants to be artisan looking. She doesn't want them to look all uniform. She wants him to look homemade but like it just came out of a fringe of it. You know. And so she's just operating from sort of own set of goals for what she wants something to be that are different than most other people's And so then there's a whole sort of budget other things around like I've noticed patterns and genius and sort of other pieces of strategy. Which we we've got into an another show we go back and listen to that but then I think the third part of it is that when you're operating from passion and you're and you're doing all the things that sort of are the patterns of Genius Become Intuitively Then the third party. You have those moments where you're really channeling something higher than yourself. You're sort of opening yourself up to something bigger in idea to come through an moments or like when you're painting you're really letting something move through you. And that really is another component of genius. And so the way I come to really understand geniuses that you know how those prisons like you know when you see a prison like a glass prism and when the sunlight shines through it It can often be enough power to create a fire because it's focusing a ton of energy from the sun into a laser like focus. That's really quite strong. And and I think that's such a great visual for what I think that the act of genius thing is is that were the prism or taking the infinite creative potential of the universe and we're focusing like a laser light through us like we are the prism and our excitement is what creates the laser break. And that's why I've come to think about genius and so like Keep Looking. Balon muskets such a great example of genius you know. He was considered crazy for the early part of his career with electric cars. He's almost failed a number of times. No one thought he was a genius. Electric cars up until the stock price at eight hundred and fifty dollars a share recently. And then all of a sudden. Now he's genius and what I would say is if the only a genius when cars are selling when he came up with the idea and nobody believes him that the problem is as a society. Really terrible at recognizing genius in the early stages Yeah you know he was. He's genius look at the look at the writers genius riders. That never never never became famous until they died. And at what point were they genius long before we recognize it but they were genius. All right Sounds like tearing? It sounds like it's it's something about a an intention. Oh and conscious it's to access yourself and your own beliefs rather than leaving believing in the beliefs of society and the believes the beliefs of culture and truly the the boundaries and dare. I used the the word. Now the quarantine we quarantine our brain into thinking that that croissants need to look a certain way or the biscuits need to learn to look a certain way rather than creatively and interestingly which she had two break a boundary she had two break a barrier in order to do that and that in and that gives an opportunity to make genius of verb is win. Emmanuel Jones one said we all have secondhand beliefs. Because we believe what's been told us to believe rather than search ourselves and investigate ourselves and search literature and find out what we really do believe ourselves that it that it is our our system. It doesn't have to be in line with anybody else. System is that. Would you think that has to do with genius? I think that those are the there. There are people that that have really pushed us to the next level in terms of inventions Or in terms of art or something right. I mean you look at who invented the first airplanes or the first microchips or you know some famous artists that really push the edge so I think sometimes genius is about really pushing the edge to something new but I love the idea of the everyday genius the people that are the most fantastic servers at a restaurant you've ever experienced. They're just genius way about serving you or You know a local chef that is just genius at what they do in their craft. And so I think that there there are genes that push push us to a whole new height. But there's also those that are just so exceptional with the day to day and they're really the everyday genius Everyday Genie. So they're really. They're really is in a sense to the traditional sense of genius. But you're talking about Jeanson everyday way that all of this all of us have access to and all of us do in some way you know. We're we're operating from a place of passion and excitement and joy and we're focused and we care about something like that is the energy of genius it just may take us a while to reach a level of mastery. But you're gina saying all along if that makes sense is this. What you're doing now is a genius. You're you're you're you're you're trying to. You're trying to hide your Gypsy your Gypsy self under the guise of genius. I kinda like you have curious about a lot of things especially a lot of things in business like different. Things captured my attention. You know if I if I a genius at HR absolutely not It might PR absolutely not but like every level of skill that now I understand business in a more genius level at it Holistic sense because I know all one more bitten part of it. A bit deeper right Also think about it like that But also it helps me understand people better. It's like Oh you know I'm I'm now working with different kinds of people do different of things. And this is what they're experiencing and so now I can relate to different people better and I'm a little Jesus at that. Now you've been so credible relating with people that's truly one of your strengths. Oh absolutely It's getting their time to wrap US UP HERE. And and but before we do you always. I always called you my spiritual guide because you took me in. Two different ways spirituality other than Christianity or the doubt they chain had taken me and you just had me thinking differently I appreciate. I appreciate your thought. You're the one that introduced me to the divine feminine. And I am still strongly. I mean that's Gosh tearing that still extremely strong in my life I. You don't know that that a week in January and most of my listeners. Know this I won't go into a too long but I did a ten day retreat and of the ten days six days were sequestered solitude before. We had quarantined but I was in. Hilo Hawaii and I was confined to a cabin. An eight square foot area out in front of me and I was not allowed to leave except to p and get a glass of water and they would bring meals to me and you could have no books. No COMPUTERS NO PHONES. You could have a written journal. And that was really a time. I'm telling you I had I had visions tear it. I mean I you know well not plural. I had one that was a genuine genuine vision. You know that that just was getting into the deeper part of myself and the divine feminine really played a strong role in that and that was much too to your credit of bringing her. She had visited me. And you just named it for me. That really helped me. So what is what is your spiritual path like right now by the way. Thank you for sure that I didn't know you went to Hawaii. And that's amazing. You know what's interesting about the divine seven it is. Is We all carry both divine mask and the divine feminine within us? You know summarize express your stronger at different moments or times or gender What's interesting about the divine feminine. Is THAT DIVINE. Feminine is about being not doing so. Ten to retreat is a very divine feminine retreat. Where you're just being you're not doing so it it. It would make a lot of sense that energy very present within you as you're sitting there being now if you look at what's going on right now in the world world is having to sit be and not do you know the divine feminine is very present on this planet as we're all sitting around you know with not so much to do and yet just be and it's uncomfortable for people because we don't have that energy is such a familiar one in our daily lives and so this is the divine feminine. Reminding us what it feels like to be and a lot of us. Don't know how to do that. I find it somewhat interesting. Divine Feminine is very present and cleaning up this planet. I'm looking around. La of there's no smog. It's beautiful out. I saw pictures of Delhi India Today. And it's absolutely crystal clear Eric. He's been driving in Delhi India Define seven has has a plan Here we are living inside her plan But to answer your question what is my spiritual practice you know. It's it's That's a great question. I haven't really thought about that. I think I've been so busy. Doing I haven't really thought a lot about my surly. No kidding virtual director energy But you know what I think is that it's gotten to a point in my life. Where a lot of these things have gotten quite integrated so that the spiritual aspect in my life and my business aspects or in some ways all kind of one And it plays out in such interesting ways like designing a new office. I designed it with all of my spiritual principles at play. What did she should feel like? What the energy of it should be. You know how I want people to interact with each other. I mean spirited aspects So I think if I answer question. I'd say it's quite integrated but I. I wouldn't mind getting back to more being a little less doing. So I'm I'm not bummed about home. Quarantine. I'm really not bummed about Jim. Being closed or not bummed about being at home. Yeah you know there are those of us. That are fortunate that way. I'm not. I'm not above being home because I have I'm studying the contemplative mystic now and and Reading Roca God. I love wrote the book of hours of ever read the book of hours. No Oh it's I read it probably four or five times and I've and I've taken so many notes in the book it's just it's just a brilliant book of poetry. One of his early books of Poetry. It is it is so insightful and consider that it was written by twenty a man starting at twenty three and he finished at twenty five movie like you know. I just started to answer your question that I think is actually the truth you know. What are you still there terrence? It is yeah. I'm here just I just just was thinking that it is time for us. My producer is giving me the cut-throat That we have. We have had our our chat. And and what did you think of a online radio chat for the first time which added well? It's the first time I've done it online radio chat and I. Here's a kid leave. We haven't caught up in so long so I feel like we. We could go on for another four hours so I don't think you're listening to anything so we can really talk though. Yeah Okay thank you so much for your great great i. I Love Avenue on the show. Mutual being onto. And thank you so much Charlie Tech Ethan. Thank you and I wanNA thank all our listeners for tuning into the next chapter with Charlie and be sure to check us out on our website the next chapter dot life until next. This is Charlie hedges signing off by for now.

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Big Brother 21 Cast Reveal Recations with Taran Armstrong

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Big Brother 21 Cast Reveal Recations with Taran Armstrong

"The. Every what's going on rob cicirino? Back here to talk with you ballot. Big brother. Twenty one very excited to kick off another summer here on rob has a podcast. And I'm very happy to be reunited, again with a man who will be taking you through the live feeds every step of the way. Please welcome the gray Taryn Armstrong Taryn. How're you robbed? So cited it's been too long. It's been a minute Taryn. You had a little bit of a break from a big brother. Canada is the robots batteries recharged. I think I think we're just about there. Yeah, I'm ready to go. Okay. All right. Taryn very excited to talk about some big brother's twenty one. We're just going to talk about the headlines here today. We got our cast this morning. We had big Jeff back in the big brother house, too. To talk to our sixteen new players. We're gonna talk about some of the headlines some of the interesting storylines that we're following at this hour. And then later on this week, we'll get together with the entire LLC and have our big brother twenty one draft and we'll talk through everything that we saw here, today, and then, also as the other interviews come rolling in like the Queen IKEA and everybody else that got to talk to the big brother contestants. Yes. Very excited in particular for those interviews. I feel like they have definitely become the gold standard preseason interviews. Yeah. So we're very excited about that. And then the big brother twenty one season premier is coming up. It's a two night, premiere little different. I this is on a Tuesday and Wednesday. I feel like that in the past we get a Wednesday in Thursday. Day, but we'll have Tuesday and Wednesday. And then I believe, also the to our amazing race finale coming up next week. And I do appreciate you filling in for me on the amazing race exit interview this past week. Yes. Of course it was very fun to talk to some amazing race teams. I've been a big amazing race fan for awhile, so off. So, of course, there were big brother teams on there. So, of course, then Tuesday and Wednesday, the two night, big brother Twenty-one premier, and then we will expect the live feeds to kick in what Wednesday night after that. I seem so probably probably a decent amount after the zone on the west coast. Right. And then we'll get into our updates kicking off on one week from Thursday, coming up on the twenty seventh. So a lot to come as we kick off a what? Is expected to be what another ninety eight ninety nine day season of big brother Taryn? Yes. Something like that something along the lines of nearly one hundred days. Okay. All right. So a lot to get into let me quickly thank a sponsor of the podcast. And then we'll get into everything. I wanna take a moment and thank our friends over at dole. And if you've been listening for the past couple of weeks, you've probably heard me talk about dolt smoothie blends. 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So if you're looking for something tasty first thing in the morning or to sneak in a quick snack break, try dole balls, find them in your frozen. I'll Taryn all right. We got to meet our sixteen new big brother cast members this morning. And it seems as though the world is excited about having our sixteen new players. Yes. No returning players. I'm sure everyone would be very excited if it was an all star cast of returning players. But I think we have very little hope of that happening. So the fact that it is not a mixed season is very, very exciting that we have a full new play. Later cast that will remain that way, as long as we continue to knock on wood and hope that nothing else happens like Paul comes in just Ross. Once upon a time we were happy about the all new player cast is big brother nineteen then we start to hear some whispers about Paul in the days leading up to as for the all-star cast. I think our best bet is in that celebrity big brother slot. I think that three weeks in January February, I think is our best hope for any sort of big brother. All stars bonanza. Yes. I recently spoke with Dan geese finally graduation. Yes. And he, he said that he was done pretty pretty much done with big brother. He doesn't really see himself going back. So I tried to pitch him the celebrity like, oh, just a couple of weeks. So, yes. Okay. Listen to the Taryn show interview with Dan to find out what he said. Okay. So sixteen new players. So I think that this is this is a good omen for the season right? So far, so good sixteen new players. It is it is young cast. But, but it's an interesting cast. So at the very least I think the major the first major hurdle to get across with big brother is, it's not a mixed cast. So we're okay, okay. So I watched about four hours, streaming of big Jeff talking to the big brother contestants. I know that they're that. That there was a little bit of an issue with getting big Jeff out. There is flight was canceled. Big Jeff manage to get there and talk to all sixteen of the new players. It seemed like that we had in my from my perspective. We had more quote unquote new fans than in recent memory. Yes. A lot of these people were like, Jeff ask them. Do you, do you like the show? Do you watch it? And they were all I love big brother. Yeah. I I've watched a few seasons now. Yes, one of those, and so is that by design term, because I know that year after year we talk about, you know, where I in big brother twenty we had a lot of people who were super fans of the show, people that knew the show, really well, and we get to where the contestants or they know exactly what's going to happen. It's very hard to surprise people to is this, something that you think that, that Robin Cass and the producers want the contestants to be surprised by twists that might not be surprising to the viewers based on what Robin Cass has tweeted about in the past. I think it's mostly that her philosophy is that you can't have a bunch of fans. It's not interesting enough that you that recruits are often more valuable, I imagine because it is it is her job to find people. It's, it's. She is trying to create the perfect chemistry in the cast. And so, you know, she wants to find the right people for that. And just relying on fans is not always going to give her what she wants. We know that survivor, I think recently has kind of shifted their philosophy more toward wanting fans of the game so that people will be more bold when they play and I think that has been successful on survivor. And I'm not sure that the current formula has been super successful on big brother. We as you mentioned season, twenty was a very fun season, and I do think, in it was so fun in large part because of the people that were willing to play aggressively and many of them were fans of the show, although towards the end of the season where everybody knew what was coming. It was very hard for anybody to be thrown off by anything that people knew. Exactly, what was coming on which day, and that can also not be fun. Yes. I mean if you ask me, great solution for that would change things up a little bit. But it's a good point that you bring up about survivor, where I the two shows seemed like completely diverging in terms of what they're looking for. Because when we look at, like the last cycle of survivor, I don't think that you can come up with more than three or four people between survivors thirty seven and thirty eight that really did not have an exceptional grasp of the game in what they were going into. Whereas there are a lot of these quote unquote new fans coming into big brother. Yes. And I think that obviously, you can always point to well, this person was a fan and they were a dud because I don't think being fan guarantees that you're going to be a good player or an entertaining player. But I do think that you're more likely to be a both of those things. And also, I think that the more fans that are in the house, the more likely that the fans are going to be able to really spread their wings. Because if you're one fan or a couple of fans in a sea of recruits, you kind of have to play. Well, little more scared. You can't reveal how much you know about the show. You have to play a little more scared because other people are not playing at your level. And if you go out aggressive, and you're going to be out in front, and you're going to go home. However, seasons that we've seen of even big brother that have had a lot of fans in the cast, particularly big whether candidates, six or twenty we see that a lot of people going really hard, all at w-. Once leads to a lot of interesting game play and drama. Yes, there are also the people that don't know the show, but are too stupid to not know that they don't know what they're doing, and that's also very fun. So we'll see. There are some there are some great recruits, I we will not let that point be unsaid, because we have some great people. I enjoyed Fethi on the show last year. We just had a great great recruit, on big brother, Canada and Anthony. So those do they there are some hits there. But, but I do think it is it is less likely to be a hit those recruits Terron could you talk us through some of the standouts in your mind in this, big brother, Twenty-one, cast, some standouts? All right. So the first person that stands out to me is somebody that really stands out from the cast in almost every way because he is significantly older than the rest of the cast at fifty three we have Mr. cliff hog the third. Yes, cliff hog is a really interesting guy, and very excited to see what he can do here, because he seems like he will be a square peg at the very least in this house. Yes, he said. I'd like to think that I'm just like a normal person, but I made it on the show. So something must be wrong with me. Yeah, he seemed very wary of going the way of summer of Steve or Glenn. And so I think that he needs to make sure that he can fit in or at least be seen as somebody who is fun because he is such an easy target for that. I h h yes. Now, Mr Hogg is a big fan of the show, probably the biggest fan that I can tell of the entire cast, he's been watching sincere eight and he is actually a listener of this very podcast. Oh, yes. Daughter is a patron. And she said that he, he said to her, that he will not know what's going on in the house, because he won't be able to listen to my morning updates. So. Hopefully that he can at least do some talking to the camera. And maybe provide you with some of the information that you're looking for. Yes. He said he hopes he doesn't bore me. So hopefully he doesn't he seems very personable. That's what I felt in his interview with Jeff and you're right. He seemed very wary of the idea that he is the older guy in the house, and he saw what happened to Steve. He sees you saw what happened to Glen, that this is not a great spot for you to be in early on in the game. And he seemed to be thinking about that. Very a lot very strategically. He talked about how what he hopes will happen, and if it doesn't then he will try to manifest it, and any way that he can is that alliances will form and that it will it will not be the case of just like, nobody really knows who to target the anybody. But me, let's just go for somebody easy because that's when people like cliff hog skit sent home. I. But when it's like, oh, two sides form very quickly. There are big alliances their power plays that need to be made. That's when people like cliff hog to skate by, so he's hoping that he can help help that grow. If if you can't he had a great line with big Jeff when Jeff with game about would you rather win? Be hated or losing beloved. And he said one. Who's amazing? Oh, what, what Miskitos what? So. All right. Well, we'll hope that things can work out for cliff. We have not heard any word about whether we will have a night, one Vic, Shane or anything like that last season we were able to avoid that. And hopefully we will follow suit and not have anybody victim during the tonight premier. Yes, that would be ideal. Okay. So cliff is here. Big age difference, who's the second oldest person in the house. Good question. It might be Sam at thirty one. Wow. Okay. Holly is also thirty one. Yeah. So we have to thirty one and then we have all and sorry we can't forget it because I don't know what exactly about this one. But Jessica is thirty ish. That's a I in CBS reality casting, that we don't even get somebody's age straight on bio. Yeah. Very cagey, very cagey cagey, I will say thirty ish sounds older than thirty one. It does it does to me. And we don't even know thirty ish might not even be in the thirties. Like I say, I'm thirty ish. I could say it. Well, yeah, I guess if you look at it from the perspective of like zero to current age, you're closer to thirty thirty does not necessarily mean thirties. Yeah, if she is actually thirty then she made a big mistake thing thirty. Okay. So Jessica, I thought that she came across. Well, in her interview with Jeff, yes. She seemed fine. It was funny seeing her directly after Jackson because she was the complete opposite of Jackson home show. We'll talk about, but she was very in the mood to kind of give Jeff what he wanted. She was very people pleasing. She even commented on it where he was asking questions about, like what what is your strategy? What are you going to do? And she basically responded to his question with a question like, well I think what I need to do is like have a really good social game. Right. He's like you don't you're not asking me. You're telling me. But I think that's a good quality to have in the big brother house. I think so as well Terron, who are some of your other favorites from today. Okay. So I really liked Lovie yes over. He's twenty two years old. But he doesn't seem twenty one. Like watching him. He looks he looks like a teenager when I see him but when I think of him my mental image of him is somebody who's like thirty ish. So it's very strange. He seems very mature. He, I think recently graduated from college. He is one of many people who's going to really heavily miss his dog. They were so much talk. I don't know if that the big brother Twenty-one casting process was like some sort of a search query of people who have Instagram's for their pets and then worked backwards from that. But every single person was talking about okay? So what are you going to miss most? When you're in the house. Oh my dog. Here's my dogs Instagram, and it was a every single person. Yeah, he was. He had his dog has an Instagram. He's a pretty big national tired. I feel so bad for these dogs Instagram's, because at the end of the summer that dogs Instagram is going to be like you, a whole, I can't believe why, why didn't you vote for this person? You stupidity it that these pets are going to be dragged on social media. Yeah. The people are going to be, can you believe what your master did and said on that show? How could you still associate with him dog? Call the ASPCA. It's not gonna be good. We need to we need to, you know, the loved ones of big brother players. They often contact each other and support each other, we need to make sure these dogs have pet support. Yes, absolutely. So, I hope where's Eric Stein's baby, Dino, the dog, maybe this is a good omen for getting back on the show. Yeah. Looking also with OB that he ended up getting into the show because a teacher was showing big brother and classroom. I think. That, that recommended turn I do recommend it. I thought that was very smart. I think that there's a lot to be one of the reasons why I love big brother growing up as I do feel like there's a lot to be learned in terms of like the sociological aspect of the show, the psychological aspect of the show, and how people interact. And so I think it's very smart to show him to show students that sort of thing, and I think it's a very good sign that, that's how Lovie was introduced to the show because he's probably he probably started watching the show from an analytical standpoint, and has been watching for a long time since, and he's gone back and watch all of the seasons. So that's one of the reasons why I'm really into him. Okay. Good. You're making me feel like a better dad for showing big brother to my kids, at least. Well, are you are you teaching them sociological impact of the game? Or are you showing them like? No, I'm showing suits. Yeah. I'm showing them like hey look watch watch this wanna see. Otx slime. Somebody. The blast somebody with his skunk, spray. They really like there, there is one downside Lovie. I'm not I'm not somebody that cares this this much. But I know this is a very controversial subject, but he's, he's a big crock person. Oh, pro crock person pro crock is ten pair different pairs of crocs in his closet. Yeah. You don't find a lot of pro crock people. It's very popular shoe. But no, nobody's really the evangelist for crocs. Okay. All right. Maybe Lovie is going to be a crock endorser on Instagram after the season. Yeah. Okay. So. One other person that you thought was a really interesting casting Joyce. Interesting casting choice. Let's see here. I. I here's here's here's a tricky one. Katherine, okay. It's twenty nine years old. She's digital marketing marketing executive addicted to social media. Yes. Yes another dog person the dog person. Yes. So she initially kind of put me off because she was very much just like. Oh, I love the show. In fact, it's the only show even watch. In fact, I literally just bought a TV two months ago. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Actually talking Jeff, it felt like she was figuring out how the game worked like as you like she was like, well so what I wanna do is like win competitions. But then I guess, if I do that then people start to see me as a threat, and then so maybe I should try not to, but I but I, I don't know because I, I should try to win when I can write like she was still working through how the game works. She had a very awkward moment where she said scotch free. Yes. Which was a whole thing that with we've already had explored this on big brother last season. When it was Angela. Yeah. It's very clear to me that Jeff did not watch. Big brother, twenty. Yes. This is a brand new point that I've not heard explored before somebody, somebody later is going to ask him. All that, that alliance last season. I can't remember the name and he's like, yeah. Those guys. But, but she as a social media marketing, that's all she does. She says without any sarcasm that nobody's gonna hate me. Yeah. No, I think a lot of these people did not seem to have a good grasp on the big brother social media bubble. Yes. So I found that to be amusing. She also one of her facts is that she's been tweeted by Kim Kardashian. So like she is really just like this person like her life is social media. That's so weird to me because I don't feel like social media should be a hobby. I feel like that people should have interests and then follow those interest on social media. But I don't think that social media should thing that weird. Literally, what she said was that? She would she would watch more TV. But she's so busy with social media. She doesn't have time for both. Of the. Yeah. Like, like I watch TV, and then I talk about it on social media. But it's like it's my love of social media's in stopping me from watching the TV yes. But so this, you know, like I said, Fred away, this kind of put me off, but as it went on, and she became more and more of this caricature, I feel like I came to appreciate her like she. She went so far down in my estimation that she came out the other side like so bad. It's good. And I'm very excited to see what she does on the season, especially because, as she mentioned she is very fit. And she is going to try to win as many competitions as she can. I think that I think that we could be looking at somebody that is very fun to watch on the show. Yeah. Okay. Well, I hope that they're all fun to watch, and they don't have to be perfect. And there can be tennis that we that we like and dislike about these people, but we're, we're lucky that we get to have this social experiment once. Again, this summer, even if it's for a hundred days, yes, absolutely see her being social media obsessed being like. A like India in quirk for her underdog character, not a quirky Queen, like the call. No, no. No. Not the Queen. Can we mentioned Nicole real quick? Also, who you feel like very at home with this cast, a lot of people from the Long Island, New York area, and there are three people with heavy New York accent? No, I feel very feel very much at home with this cast, and Nicole Anthony, who is the twenty four year old preschool aid with kind of like a dark side. Quirky queen. Yes, she said in her bio, one of her facts was that she was a bit of a terror when she was young and she, she wants locked her parents in the basement because they wouldn't tell her what was in a bag. She also called nine one one on her parents, because she didn't get her way. And she unscrewed the lug nuts in the upstairs toilet and practically flooded the kitchen, so not kidding. When she said she used to be a tear. All right. So let's see what happens with this group. Now, Taryn there have been some, some facts, and some rumors and some speculation going on with this cast about a potential twist involving big brother twenty one and I would say that the most concrete piece of evidence that we have in regards to this comes from the great hamster watch, I believe was the first to report about a potential connection between two of our cast members. Yes. So two of the people here, Tommy, the other two New York accents, Tommy and Christie, apparently know, each other, and there was an Instagram photo or post that it was posted in twenty fifteen. On thanksgiving, where Tommy said something along the lines of, like, oh, I love my family, and you can see Kristie in the photo tagged with her arm around another woman, and the speculation is that she used to date Tommy's aunt. And so that's how they knew each other. So they, they very much are aware of each other at the very least she was at his thanksgiving. He would. I'm sure recognize her if she if they see each other in the house. Okay. Now, we have had this type of thing before, especially on the big brother candidates side. I that there's been a couple of different times, where people have known each other. But I cannot think of a time in big brother US where this was just a coincidence, where we have house guests that at least have a pre existing relationship. Yes. I mean, you know, some of the closest calls that we've had were things like Tyler Angela last season where they were. From the same hometown. But and maybe had seen each other around once in a while, but never really interacted before, certainly not something to the extent that they, they know, each other they've been to thanksgiving dinner or anything like that. All right with this is the data point. And we say. Okay. Now there is a lot of rampant speculation. And I use that word that we don't have a too much else confirmed at this point. But the rumor mill as it always is with big brother, especially that's how you know, when it's June because the big brother rumor mill gets red hot so Taryn. There is a lot of other people trying to connect the dots with other potential payers in house. Yes, there is speculation that, Catherine and Hawley know each other. I think from perhaps, the pageant, circuit or something along those lines. And then there are a lot of other coincidences like people from the same hometown or who went to the same school, apparently, Lovie, and Jackson were both at the same school with the same major at the same time. So there's speculation about that. There's this. Weird coincidence. Where is to Bella? Went and hiked mount Kilimanjaro and. Jack also hiked come in Jaro, and there's even a photo of Bella with somebody that looks a lot like Jack. But maybe not Jack she did it with an x and his cousin her ex's, not Jack cracks is named Bill, but who knows who the cousin was. Okay. I never know. A lot of internet detective work going on right now. And by the time you're listening to this, maybe there are more things confirmed, or more things shutdown patera. Do you think that we could be shaping up for some big brother six type setup where people who have some sort of a relationship outside of the house are competing together could be we could be in for a summer of secrets that, that might be what we're looking at? It could be something more along the lines of, like big brother eight's. Maybe just a few people have one other person that they that they know and it's very public. It could be something like big brother four they did X's. This doesn't seem like that. Unless it's exit, a family member. In big brother six did everybody have a partner, or it was just a bunch of people had partners? And there were people that did not have a partner, everybody had a partner in big brother six, and they were secret partners in the secret lasted like two days, if that because everybody immediately realized, oh, I'm not the only one but they were secret partners. And the deal was if you made it to the final two with your partner, then you would make a million dollars, but that didn't happen. Okay. All right. So we will be on the lookout for that. Do you have any fee strong feeling one way or the other? If that is the twist for big brother twenty one, I mean, I would say at this point in given some of the evidence that we've seen, and how quickly people were able to find out that Tommy and Christie definitively did know each other. And how often I think people are found through Instagram. Graham in the first place. It seems like this is not something that would be that hard to miss, though. I would lean more toward, this is an intentional twist than not. Okay. And in terms of your personal reaction to it. Do you have any strong feeling one way or the other? Do you like it or dislike I dislike it? I think that it can work. Obviously big brother six worked in its own way. But I think that big brother six worked, not because of the twist, but because of the, the cast like it was such a dynamic cast and the twist was almost forgotten. I mean, people barely remember that the twist even existed. So, and then any other duos or pairs have not really panned out in a great way. Big brother, four is not exactly remembered as the highest quality season. Big brother, eight was certainly fun. But not really because of the twist unless you say that dick, and Danielle really made it for you. But even then that's kind of a unique pairing. Thing that really just happened to work. Big brother, thirteen was we just did this big season rankings podcast is ranked as one of the lowest seasons in terms of how the audience tended to do it, or at least our audience did. And then even big brother nine where they paired people off was just not a very successful way of going about things, having people operate in pairs is just not as fun as seeing a bunch of individuals integrate into the house. And even when new, I'm trying to analyze how these people will get along with everyone else. It's like, oh well, I think Tommy could fit in really well with this group and I think that he could do very well in the game. But if he's attached to Christie who I think, might not fit in with some of these other people than I don't know how that's gonna work. I think that maybe, maybe he might get dragged down by that. Or who knows maybe it will go and fun place. But in general a little bit skeptical, and I'd rather just have sixteen individuals. Yeah. I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other in terms of if this is actually a going to be a thing. I I'm with you. I think that there is a lot of evidence to point us in that direction in terms of how I feel about it. I'm sort of indifferent. I guess we have to see how it plays out in terms of the actual season. The show I think it could be fun. We'll see it could be. Yeah. And especially, like, I think that as long as they shy away, from as long as they don't go full into this and say you are playing as a duo and get a victim as duo, or nominated that's where I think they've really failed anytime. They've tried that. And that's what really really just dampens the game play as long as they get to play as individuals even though they might know somebody else, I think we're gonna be fine. Well, I think that we have yet to find somebody who is connected to cliff. I think until we find that person. I think it's hard to imagine that, that will be the overall theme of the season where. You're playing with a partner, unless people are then also like perfect strangers may maybe the, the blind date or whatever. Season where you know, some of the some of the people were on a blind date. And some of the people knew each other. So that was also a very mixed bag. It was really was. Yeah. Although that did give us Jeff and Jackie big brother, seventeen Khuzestan so team fun. Okay. I think that team fund was actually a different amazing race season where they like everybody. The whole thing was blind date. Not the Jeff and Jackie season where they were on a blind date. But there were also some teams that knew each other. Okay. It's confusing. It's confused computers confusing. All right. So Taryn looking forward to getting into our draft coming up this week, where you and myself and Melissa and Brent will go ahead. And put the title back up for grabs of who is the reigning big, brother drafting champion, as I hunt for my first title, yes, Smith. I decided to turn the winning on recently ended up winning the big brother Canada seven draft your fat into the stock watch. But you know what? Maybe I'll turn it off for a season just to give you a shot here. Okay. Well, I would appreciate that. Thank you, don't throw it, though. Never throw it. It's just turning off the guaranteed win. All right. So we will be a back later on this week with that excited to talk about some more big brother, of course that we have tons of big brother chatter, going on in our rob the podcast, patron, big brother group, one of our Facebook groups that is going on over on our patriot community. Go over to rob has a website dot com slash patron. For more information about everything that we're doing. Our patriot only podcast feed, and much more. Rob has a website that com slash patron. And also, if you want to subscribe to the live feeds, if you are not yet, a CBS all access subscriber, you can go ahead and get your live feeds through. Rob has a website calm by going to rob has a website dot com slash live, feeds, be sure to follow Taryn. He is on. Twitter at Armstrong Terron, and I am at rob cicirino Taryn anything else, you can find me on twitch twitch, twitch dot TV slash Taryn. Armstrong, I just did a four hour stream of watching the Jeff interviews. So you could check that out if you wanted to, but it's more of a live thing. But if you follow me there, then you can find other streams that I will be doing across the season of big brother. All right. So looking forward to talking more big brother later this week. Take care of a good one.

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#96 Taryn Voget Let Go and Trust Life

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#96 Taryn Voget Let Go and Trust Life

"Now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with the Dominion Energy Reliability Investment. Our new investment product offers competitive returns no maintenance fees and flexible online access to your money you make the reliable investment in reliable energy the Dominion Energy Reliability Investment to find out more go online to reliability investment dot com. That's reliability investment dot com welcome. Everybody's time once again for the next chapter with Charlie hedges as he explores turning the page on his life and yours. Hey Charlie Hey Paul. It's nice to be here with you. In Studio and I WANNA give shot out to all our friends of the next chapter with Charlie. Paul today marks the first time in two two years of podcasting that we will do a show on planning for the New Year of two thousand nineteen as this show will come out day after New Year's. That's Kinda surprising since when you consider them much of my past it's been about life planning yet. We have not produced a single show on that topic and today our approach to life Friday planning maybe strikingly new for our listeners but it is a process. I've used most of two two thousand eighteen and unfounded quite gratifying as well as productive now in order to help <hes> set a straight on this unusual path. I am with my special friend and spiritual guide Taryn Vogue at who has has been a guest a couple of times on the show as a busy executive coach entrepreneur author of the delightful book trustfall Terron is full of out of the box thinking really early out of the box thinking when it comes to most matterson life and life planning I._S.. Taryn to write a brief thoughts <hes> too bright a brief paragraphs on her thoughts toward the New Year's planning and these are what I consider provocative words words Taryn rights many of us push to continually grow and expand but what if we didn't we don't need to work so hard what if life is exactly where are two four well. I'm GonNa Start that paragraph all over again. <hes> many of us push ourselves to continually growing expand but what if we don't need to work so hard what if life knows exactly what if life knows exactly exactly where to find us to deliver the experience as we need for our own evolution and what if there is no real action necessary on our part other than to be more aware of life's bigger plan this podcast podcast explorers new ideas about our own evolution and how life is here to serve our highest destiny and greatest expansion always. I think that's quite provocative <hes> as far as not planning and waiting for life to do what it's going to do so let's all be ready to have our traditional view of life planning challenged by the ever so insightful in a innovative video thinking of Taryn Vogue et Taryn welcome to the next chapter with Charlie. Thanks Charlie. I'm so happy to be here and happy to be back on the show. It's such a delight. I love this topic. Yeah I do too. We've had <hes> we've probably had add. What do you think four hours of conversation on this topic? The in the last couple of days I know and I love what you said that we should have recruited one of those conversations because it really was the genesis of of this it was such a great bunch of insight so I'm thrilled to be sharing talked about earlier with the bigger audience and we have to distill it you know because because it was for hours a conversation and I really can't get can't can't wait to get into this entirely new approach to planning our live in your as I said out of the box thinking but it's it's not out of the box thanking as much as it's it's. It's progressive thinking I I think you don't you don't allow the status quo to influence your thinking. You're you're thinking I used to say that I was average. Only I was average about two years ahead of everyone else. I think your average about a decade ahead of everybody else and and you have you have really interesting interesting thoughts well. Thanks thanks for that complement. It's funny you say that because I really had this awareness in this last year that it really do feel about ten years ahead of my time and and it's not a good feeling it's usually a feeling of beating my head against a wall or feeling crazy but eventually it all catches up but you know right before the show we were talking about things that feel scripted like Christmas for example feel somewhat of a scripted holiday and I think you know the collective consciousness. We're trying mm to restrict it in a better way. I had this epiphany over the last I dunno ten years or so that so much of lifestyle scripted you know this idea that you go to school. You get good grades. You GotTa do good college. You get a good job. You save money in your retirement. You know you've got a family white picket fence a car going to vacations and day. You're retired and you get to really enjoy your life like that's the great American script and I realize many years ago that that script is really quite flawed and so a lot of I think what you think is provocative. Thinking is me just realizing I don't really care for the script and what's what's really blow that it's more true and I know that was some of the the ideas that you were talking about. which is you know if you throw away the script for life? What's really they're like what's the deeper truth? That's really a great insight in a and and and the script he you know it's funny that we have this script but the script only works for a few you know the script is really successful for the minority it's not. I don't think it's successful for the majority. I think the majority have then feel badly about themselves because they can't abide by the script and they and they have deflated egos and and deflated hearts and and states of being and I agree with you that we need to <hes> we need to amend that script and think differently so so I wanNA start off today with more than a year ago and and because I did it in two thousand eighteen more in a year ago you challenge me and I'm the anal life planning specialist you know I have I have you know my hope planning thing according to the four P.'s of life of passion passion power purpose and and people and and how you can make goals and each one of them and there's checklist to follow and all you know I was I was really into that and you challenge challenged me to let go of my list to do's and to be and just accept life as it comes now that sounds that may not not sound to two different but when you let go of all the planning and just wait for things to happen the waiting is and sometimes unbearable and you and I talked about but <hes> as possibly even getting into boredom but you know what for the most part I heeded your advice and found that two thousand eighteen was quite productive and quite Mike gratifying and it was all done without a checklist. It was just letting life come to me. Please tell me from your perspective. Why do you think that is so you take a step back in thinking about this? Which is I think we've been sold this idea that unless we're actively making goals that we aren't really achieving full potential that in order to really achieve but we want we've got to set a goal? Go after it achieve it and then do that again and again and again I mean that's sort of the talking about scripts. It's kind of the script for one that's really on a you know a passive ever-evolving expansion which I think most people are in some way shape or form <hes> and if you don't have goals you're lazy. You're up to your potential right so if you take that as the premise you know this is they did it always trying to achieve something greater and we've got check boxes and you know to do we need this much in retirement and when you just this kind of career and we need this kind of a promotion this kind of a house or whatever the thing is right and what I have founded my own experience is that when we create all these goals actually create quite a bit of stress but deeper than the stress it creates a lot of busy work doc meaning that we're doing a lot of activities that don't yield us more of what we're really wanting because I think more of what we're really wanting is to be in the flow of life to have the synchronous visas magical moments those connections in those assist unexpected things that bring us delight and more time with our families. I mean what we're really wanting is not all of these achievements at something deeper than that or more in the flow of life and so the the fallacy is that we think well if we don't have a goal we don't working towards but what I've come to realize that life is exactly what we need in order to grow it evolve. We don't have to set that up. Life knows that and so if we can be more relaxed about it we can actually work not as hard and get more of what we're really wanting and so you did this twenty eighteen. What was your experience more about that? I'm curious. Well you know I think I think it has to do with with my my writing. I liked my. I riding better. I I just didn't I didn't allow myself to feel the pressure of having to deliver on really false goals. You know the whenever never I'm whenever I'm making goals. They're just they're sort of false goals or just goals that I think sound good but there's really little generally little data to to support it and little reason into support it and the big thing that happened that you know I've talked quite a bit on the show. The big thing that happened and I was totally UNEXP unexpected was my involvement with wells of life and you know I spent more than a couple months in Uganda and and we have just you know delivered water to hundreds of thousands of people and saved the lives of tens of thousands of children and and this was not planned you know I I didn't plan to go to Uganda for a month month. Just it came up in this sounded like a good opportunity and I had a lot of meetings and a lot to do and and it just came up. There's no way in January I would have known of that no way whatsoever and yet it. It was one of the best months of the year for me I and and <hes> although I do you know we're going to have to talk about later. There is some planning involved but it's not this big major goal setting sort of thing and I found also in leading our marriage happen and just being kind and compassionate <hes> my marriage is absolutely wonderful. I've been married thirty three years and it's just my wife and I get along so well and and it's without having this big goal of Okay Charlie here. You've got to be this kind of husband and you've got to be this kind of person so I I've. I've I've had I've had some. I'm great moments but I've also I've also as we talked about. If you're waiting for life to happen there is that waiting factor and that waiting factor actor can be perceived as we discussed as boredom and boredom is really just another word for waiting and it's another word for waiting to become I think even wrote a blog on that <hes> <hes> board more becoming and and and it's and it's a waiting period so some of those some of the things I experienced first of all I love what you said which is a false goal because I that's so perfectly articulated. I think when and people create these goal lists most of them are false schools because the goals in our heart don't need to be written. They're already there. What are we articulate them or not? It's when we have to write the ball down. It almost like we're talking ourselves into it. Versus it just being something in our innate eight consciousness but you make the perfect point to that all these beautiful unexpected things happen. That's really been my experience. I I gave up goal setting a long time ago <hes> but when you let go of that you give life the opportunity it to bring you something far better than what you expected right so. We think that if we don't have a goal that we're going to achieve we're not gonNA have much of anything. The exact inverse is what's true in my experience and you just mentioned that right something far better than you could have pat on your goal this show right. It's like it's funny paradox so much like the more we let go the more we recreate the opening for life to deliver a gift after gift after gift that we couldn't have expected <hes> and and I think you're so right about that that boredom I'm sort of in that moment right now in my own life. I'm between you know you mentioned that and I just can't I can't I cannot fix your Taryn Vogue Aetna's board oh I mean it's important that will like little stunned you how board I've been lately but it's it's what I just know this place a well because I've been here so many times is boredom but what it really is being inside the void devoid of creation like it's almost like some part of you steps into that that space were all of creation as possible full and it's everything and nothing all at the same time it feels like boredom but it's really this infinite Chretien and I've just gotTa sit there and let it create almost like a woman just as a baby in a sense right one day they'll this amazing birth and it'll it'll all appeared my reality but in this moment I'm busy creating without knowing exactly what I'm creating in the void and it feels like boredom and it's almost like painfully board boring and and but but you know what really requires it really requires you know you wrote wrote in your paragraph an openness to receive if you're not open to receive you can miss what life is throwing at. You had this girlfriend call me the other night she said Taryn. Oh my gosh listening to the best I audiotape it's called the secret and I laughed so hard because this was a big popular movie that came out about a decade ago the secret it just swept through the spiritual community and it was this whole idea that you know asking you shall receive after universe what you want you shall receive then. Everybody started putting their orders in the universe like it was a catalog like I'll find the abundance to pay for it. I'll pay for it now. My credit card and the abundance will show up to pay off my credit card asking I shall receive right sort of this funny thing that swept through the spiritual community. I kinda laughed because ten years later my friend had just kinda founded this <hes> and and I said you do. I said that's a great place. If you're feeling called to it it's not as bad information but it's incomplete and it goes back this idea of goal setting right. If I can just imagine it then it will show up. I think what has been my experiences that I've really rarely heard anybody talk about this especially in the spiritual community but really rises the cosmic receiving game. It's not a cosmic creating game essential going after something game. It's a cosmic receiving game meaning. Most people think they are would be able to receive a million dollars a new car a house the dream job all of it the perfect relationship anything you can imagine most of the single yeah I could receive it but if I were to say to you Charlie you know what I'd like to take you on a fifty thousand dollars vacation. Come with me tomorrow all expenses paid. How would you feel about receiving that <hes>? <music> <hes> going with you. It'd be good going with somebody. Else may not be a good idea right but if I just wrote you a check for fifty thousand dollars instead Okay Charlie take yourself on a vacation. Could you receive that Oh yeah of course it's a fifty thousand dollars. Check all right. This is actually a good point. That's what I think. You're probably a good receiver in that sense. I asked a friend of mine is recently and she's like there's no way could take your money. I couldn't do it. Most people think they could actually receive that but they but they really when it came down to quit and actually the transaction were to happen. It'd be very difficult. You'd feel bad. You'd feel like you owed them something. You know you'd feel like you were indebted. In some way one of my closest friends is the world's worst receiver. I mean you give her a gift and she gives you ten in return because she just can't bear to receive something without giving income things in return <hes> and so the thing with goal setting and this idea of you know I need to go in and create all these things well actually like has all these things that wants to give you. Are we open enough. Do we have enough self worth to receive them. See this perfect. Give you a mansion. Could you receive the mansion no no strings attached just here you go right yeah and you know and it would be difficult. You know I can. I can admit that would be would be difficult. <hes> you know we chatted. We we chatted about something you brought up a concept that I really resonate and I think it has a lot to do with goal setting and that is <hes> our need to unravel our ego and and as I told you that that really hit me because I think the needs of our ego for self esteem self-important worthiness from other people so often in drives our goal setting and are planning for life <hes> explain to me a bit more about what this means about unraveling our ego. Have I have my ideas but I think it's I think it's central to this goal. Setting Afar EGO is driving our goal setting if our ego for the acquisition of stuff and and the acceptance in love of other people if that's what we're trying to do it's very difficult to <hes> to accomplish and then the irony is when we attain it. We're still in the same place we always were true. It's been my experience and I'll just use a personal story to illustrate it is is when I launched <hes> my second company I had all of these big goals. My Company's GonNa make ten million dollars in the first two years or three years. I'm going to be on all these media outlets like I had all of these big dreams and goals calls for my initial initial washing vision of this company and even lifted them out of this is probably pray about ten years ago and it lifted them all out you know into gold city negotiating which is not long after I gave it up but it was an all out and what I realized later was that I didn't really hit any of those goals. <hes> actually not a single one that was on that list. They were very materially driven a lot of them or kind of I would say ego driven and and I say ego like it was sort of a sweet part of that wanted recognition for my work you know if I could get on all these media shows and talk about this work. Then people would recognize that I've got something to offer and a lot of my goals were about eating some recognition for my works. I thought that would make me feel good or needing money because that somehow validated myself worth in the world or my contribution in the world and the triggers memories I I didn't achieve any of those things <hes> and it wasn't until a deconstructed this reevaluated in a few years later that I realized realized what I got out of my initial company was was far better and richer than any of those goals I mean I took my own coaches. Let's do a whole `nother level. I really dug deep into a topic that I don't think it's been export anywhere in the world the way of quite explored it developed relationships and connections but I still have to this day you know pushed myself to the edge in terms of what I was capable of doing in terms of creating something in a good way I pushed. I mean just massive creative output to the point where I was like. I I can't do anymore than this. This is my edge and I knew where that wasn't. It's kind of a cool feeling and so all these amazing things and experiences happened in. I really deepened as a person and yet none of those things were on my goal list but they were all the things really far better her <hes> and so what was on my goal is with quite ego driven but the experience that I received was really quite hard centered and so I think you're right. I think a lot of goal setting is in the ego but really life in this is what I wrote in the paragraph earlier you know life. This is trying to give us experiences to unravel the ego and what I mean by that. Is You know what helps me at least in per unravel my ego or at least began to journey of that was realizing that all these things on my goal is when I launched my business where things that I didn't achieve and like I had this kind of let go of that be like all right well. What I got was better? So is that really what I'm wanting. You know where those really the things that I'm wanting or did life have a bigger dream and made sure I didn't get those things so that I wouldn't have attached more ego to it right yeah. I you know I agree and it's really you know I. I'm so you know as they grow older. I'm so into this I mean not so into it. It is just the topic of of thought for me and that's the legacy and for what do I want to be remembered and and it is it is certainly none of my goal lists. You know I I could I could care less if by achieved those and they are all relational and internal lists that are much more important to me and those are not typically on the goal list rather not. I don't know if I've talked about this on any of your past shows but I went through quite an extensive Chamonix training and we call it sort of folly Shaman School <hes>. It's not actually called up so now you're admitting your show yeah. You know. It's it's public now. <hes> but what are the exercises shop. Will you go through this whole program where you really deal with death and what are the exercises really changed my life where you had to really go through your own death and beyond your deathbed and you had all these people that played different characters in your life like mother your father your partner partner whoever and at every there were just literally Kleenex all over the room really quite emotional to go through your own death into realize when you're on your deathbed what really matters and I can just like you said it wasn't anything on my goal list. It wasn't anything material. It was the love that shared with people that's what mattered and the and the regret or two that I had was that I didn't emend some relationships in my life had nothing to do with vacations cars houses promotions notoriety fame. It had nothing to do with that. It was all how much connection with people loved it. I share and it was quite it actually changed my life about making goalless. It was a couple of years after launched my company I have far before we take break because I wanted. I WANNA take a little bit as usual owner. Take a little bit different direction on on our break. That's that's still in in topic but as I was preparing for the show at my normal location I have I have a little place that I go to who regularly and I know all the servers and the managers and and it's a very quiet business location and I was preparing the show and I had a conversation with a thirty five year old manager and showed showed her your paragraph and she looked at she says he L._A.. Letting life happen without planning sounds fine for those of you who who have experienced some degree of success but what about those who I have not experienced those degrees of success and with her it was thirty five years old. It was what about like marriage and children not had. How do you respond to her about not setting a goal for finding some minion? How do you set goal for finding a spouse? I mean but you know it's that she needs to have direction in that. You know she feels the waiting. The idea of waiting was just was just horror or in her mind. You know I'm so glad she asked that question because I'm forty three and I'm still single and I actually don't want kids but for a long time I did now I don't but I I really can relate to that this idea of just waiting for Mr Writer Miss Right to come along and just it feels like an eternal waiting and you know I it goes back to the what if this is exactly the experience that were needing in order to find a love within ourselves and not be looking for it in in another partner meaning when you're thinking that someone's GonNa show up in your life to provide you all the things that you're wanting whether it's companionship or friendship or to alleviate loneliness or deprived you some financial resources or care for a family that you're wanting like when you're waiting all of that to show up. You're putting a lot in someone else to make you happy and what if life is just unraveling us from that false idea and creating a stronger of self within so that we can be more emotionally self sufficient and so a lot of my girlfriend's we find ourselves single <hes> and I think it's because if we had partners we wouldn't be doing the internal growth their soul soul is really wanting and yet I completely relate to the fact of feeling like wow it really be great partner showed up and yet I'm also keen to the fact of like yeah and maybe he's just not the day and it's not time like I've got the more inner work to do for myself for my own growth. That's what I'm wanting on a bigger emotional level. Does that make sense. It makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense for happiness or success like okay so you get this great relationship now. Do you feel successful like I don't know anyone who's ever achieved something on their on their goal list or their life task lists and all of a sudden they woke up and they're like Oh my God I achieved this now. I feel successful idea right fifty. Three percent of them didn't find success in saturated for divorce rate so so really my list of accomplishments and and you know there's there's a lot of them and to be like this is clearly a successful woman but do I feel successful. You know and it's taken me a lot of years to be like well do I. I don't know I mean certainly like my list of accomplishment. Accomplishments should think that I was successful but do I feel that way and I really don't know anyone whose accomplishments makes them feel successful and and that's what I wanna talk about after the break so let's take a quick break and we're going to jump right into that topic so oh you is a perfect transition so let's take a quick break. Hi Hi you're listening to Charlie hedges and this next chapter with Charlie I am here with my good friend and spiritual guide turned will get and we are talking about an entirely different process of life planning and and since the beginning of the New Year of two thousand nineteen you might consider <hes> this for your <hes> for your planning for the year although it is <hes> <hes> certainly challenging now we talked about we've talked about goal setting and unraveling the ego and that there is so much in our ego and our self esteem self-importance and so forth and and and those sorts of ideals that are important that are all externally driven and you know Taryn. I've made an observation about the driving forces of the productive oriented culture found in much of the United States and I you know you what I think it comes down to are really a major contributor is our economic system of capitalism <hes>. which also you know I do happen to believe it's the best economic system out there however it it seems that in the United States many of us have made capitalism a dogma and not just an economic system in other words what I mean is that stuff in wealth we accumulate through capitalism <hes> plays a powerful role and how we perceive ourself worth with <hes> when you you know collecting our stuff when other aspects suspects or other in non-tangible 's like love and service and kindness and compassion really say a whole lot more about who we really are than the stuff we possess in so capitalism wallets worked really fine and building economy? I think has contributed to this goal setting of trying to achieve what I can achieve through this this economic system would you agree with that. I really would and and I I think if I could articulate it in a sense this idea that we define ourselves worth by how much money we make or what are title is or how much we have or the home we've purchased right. We really define our I self worth by that and so this idea of capitalism is economic system versus capitalism's away to define who we are as people and our value in the world. I think has gotten quite mixed up. Yeah it really has it really has an it's an it's <hes> and it's I think it's I think it's I think it's damage damaging. You know as I've you know. Richard Roar wrote the book falling up where he talked about the first and second half alive. Although it's really the first I two thirds of life for the first three quarters of life in the last one quarter which you hit the second half and you're no longer driven by these ego needs but you're driven by the sole you're driven by those things that that are are so fulfilled and other fulfilled you know that we how we always serve other people and I just think you know we spend the first half two three quarters of our life trying trying to satisfy these capitalistic these accumulation of stuff ideals and I I can just I can just advocate that very few times have have the stuff been as satiated as I thought it would be now. I don't want to say it's not nice. You know it's nice to have a nice home in a nice car and and you know those are those are nice conveniences but they are not what define nine who I am and define what's important to me in life yeah and you know let me be clear. I I love a little luxury. <hes> what's been interesting about it. Is You know we talked earlier about life knows where to find find. Your Life knows how to give you the experiences that you need to a growing evolve your own soul and spirit in and I tell you I must have some soul contracts that says no mercy because he had a life really <hes> put me on quite a journey a few years ago a literally they sold everything I owned and moved out of my apartment's <hes> mainly because the time I couldn't afford it and what I thought would be you know a journey of a few months off ended up being two and a half years of what I call my walkabout and I wrote a book about that called trustful and it was the very end of this two and a half years of traveling and I mean I was broke and I I had and you're traveling the world I I still can't believe this story again. I talked to the cosmic receiving gay people paid for less than things for me and it's not easy to accept but but it's quite miraculous when you realize the cosmic receiving game and you can receive all kinds of goodies you know come your way <hes> but but doesn't it all depend on what you're looking for. If if life is a cosmic receiving game it depends on what are your expectations if your expectations are the Million Dollar House and the Mercedes Benz than life is not a cosmic receiving. Game but if we're talking about soulful needs life is a cosmic receiving game. Would you agree. You know what let's put opinion that for just a second because I I wanNA finish the story. Worry about how okay that's okay receive more and it was because of an epiphany <hes> so I'm going to come back to that but in a in a different way which is on this on this walkabout very end when I really had no money and I was just overall that <hes> <hes> age they can read the book about it. It's called trustfall but love the book how to really go ahead to really go deep and realize that is my self worth defined by money because here I have no oh money though jobs no house at this point a car that my parents had given me because I had sold my other one I mean I had nothing I had materially. Nothing and I had to do this inquiry of but but I am I still valuable do you. I still have worth am I still successful because I have none of these things and it wasn't like all of a sudden they asked the question. The answer is yes like it took some really deep inquiry and some really deep full searching to realize like I am as amazing without without any of those things is I am with all of those things and I can feel really good about myself with nothing as I can with everything and you want to know the crazy thing is the minute that I realized I was valuable with nothing. It was an unraveled that whole entire no script that you need all these things to have value in the world that I felt valuable in successful without any of those things was the minute my entire life turned around and massive abundance started showing up because I didn't need it to justify myself worse and so I was like well if you don't need it we'll give it to you anyway like there's no resistance in receiving it <hes> and so receiving a mindset. It's it's openness. It's it's like that yes and I I guess my point is that when when we let go of the goal and we're electoral this idea that our ego needs to certain achievements to feel a certain way we can feel that way without anything can feel that way with nothing in our life. If we were homeless on the street we could still feel good about ourselves. <hes> now that might not be the experience we prefer and that's fine but that we can still feel good about ourselves meaning. We're not waiting to feel good because we have something in our life. We have a relationship. We have a beautiful home. We have a great job we ever promotion right like we can feel good about ourselves without any of that and so when the answer that is yes that is that's a deep place to get to and all of a sudden life starts to flow a lot more and so what was what I say we were putting opinion. I wanted to come back to oh great question. I didn't market it was <hes> never mind. We can just never mind but I think that I think maybe came around to it again. which is this <hes> the ceiling <hes> about receiving it's like that life is if you're open and you feel so worse and you are okay with what life has to give you? That doesn't necessarily match US your goal list. It's actually probably better. It's quite an amazing way to live life. Man Life will give you exactly what you need. It just may not always come into package that you had envisioned exactly you know and I so I saw agree with you and I and I and I had a year of experiencing and and I'm planning this year at the same time now now. I'm GONNA come from the other side <hes> i. It's not necessarily playing devil's advocate but it's it's. It's completing this concept so we're we're tattling eating this episode to let go and trust life <hes> to just let life take charge and follow the lead that is that is that is there and to accept what is offered at at the moment but that certainly doesn't mean that we totally disregard planning planning but it has a great impact on the way we do plan so planning where we are not suggesting that you don't plan the you just sit around every day and and and wait for the phone ring for the cosmic email there there remained some planning involved as zor none think like anything you know there's always phases in points of process along the way you know. When do you plan right? At what point do you plan and I think that whether it's business business or in your own personal life like there is a moment. We're planning is quite helpful stage in the process but I think it's less important than most people think because again if you're if you're planning everything out you're missing a lot of magic and I'm GonNa get a great example. There's one of my dear friends has planned her retirement. Since she was twenty five. She's now sixty four and she has been planning and Planning and planning for forty years retirements and you know it's kind of a little red head about it and you know she will have a beautiful retirement but I mean it's almost like planning to the nth degree because I I think she's missed out my own personal opinion a lot along the way in planning and letting life provide some magic for her and so did you need the plan for forty years for your retirement. Maybe she'll knock yourself out <hes> but I think if we were more open to the gifts that life were to give us more open to receiving all the abundance she was looking forward coming along the way no planning necessary. I like that I like the magic I like the concept of the magic of life in and if we're planning we miss a magic of life <hes> because we're determining what the magic is and scripting it out. There's no opening ethical drop in Yes wrapping up a project at the gates foundation and this is the time of year what what they call annual planning and it's a whole year planning for the next year and so a certain amount of that is somewhat helpful. I mean you need to think about budgets and how we're GONNA business. Yes of course achieve you and so and yet when I also it's been my experience is that because everything is so planned nothing unscripted can happen happened during the year and so we miss out on always amazing opportunities because it's all too prescriptive really yes I think most businesses find themselves in that situation and in which is which is unfortunate especially with <hes> an organization like the Gates Foundation because there could be wonderful opportunities to come up during the year that are not scripted and so they don't they don't occur most companies are like we're going to grow by thirteen percent this year and everybody needs to sell Oh X. amount to hit that number and it's also scripted well. What if you're in the magic of it and instead of thirteen percent was eighty two percent growth but nobody likes that because it looks like you know in the stock market's that it's too much of a spike everybody wants to be so controlled and have predictability okay well? What does the magic and predictability and so it's that balance of planning and predictability and magic and and unexpected greatness this is making you know the this whole concept Taryn makes life to me much more exciting exciting it makes life you know I'm the adventurer explorer and it just it it it it? It gives life a much more exciting purview than this following this script I'm not I'm not a great script follower but let me tell you what we do what my wife and I do and I and I don't know if I've mentioned on the podcast but but every year between Christmas and New Year's we we take three days and <hes> and so we can have one day where we wake up and go to sleep in this same out of town you know little hotel somewhere and what we do. During that time is that we evaluate our marriage and you know we've been married thirty three years and just say is there anything I could do better for you to serve you and your marriage in your marriage in our marriage or or anything I've been doing that. You would like me to stop doing and and you know this is not an easy question Taryn. There's there's been times he's been tearful discussions because we're not afraid to get to the nitty gritty to what what the issues shoes are but <hes> as a result of these I can say after thirty three years of marriage. I have a great marriage I mean it's just it's amazing but that's that's planning without planning. You know what I mean. It's it's it's is evaluating circumstance and saying this is what would make it better. This was what would make us better and we do that and we ended up having a great year but it doesn't hit this goal list and we also will do our budgets and we'll plan our vacations because you know with when your sole proprietors you know you need to do that. You need to plan the time where you're going to be away so they're so back to the point. We're totally totally. We're not totally disregarding planning but I think we are disregarding goal setting as part of our our process you know goal setting as what we want to achieve accomplish and and and we leave that to to life does that make does that make sense Taryn yeah and I think that's really beautiful. I haven't heard very many couples. Do that where it's just sort of you know ritual almost every year so I think that's really a testament matere marriage but what I would say about the goal is this idea of a false goal versus. The goal of the heart I mean it sounds to me like a goal of the heart here is that you want a great marriage. I mean it's something that's important to you and so because it's the goal of the heart you dedicate some time to it and this is the ritual that seems to be working and so you know when you have a goal of the heart doesn't need to be on the list and a conversation doesn't need to be documented with outcomes than detracted name right because they're they're. They're typically you know when my wife says you could be doing so and so differently I already know it. You know it's Yeah I could. I've been kind of excuse me I've been kind of a Dick there. You can do who I could do better and <hes> and she's very open at the same time but you know it. He you know to those of you in the audience who may be thinking. This is something you could try. Ah I highly highly recommend it. If you're honest and serious it isn't honest in serious process that sometimes some of the things you ask for our difficult or some of the way you saying some of ways you're feeling can be difficult but but it's preventive maintenance it's it's fixing fixing the problem before the problem occurs or at least getting it in halfway and and and you can move on John <hes> we're nearing the end of our time but I have one final question that I know many of <hes> the people would like to <hes> like to hear addressed and and I'm curious of your opinion and I'm I am sure that many of our audience would like to replace the idea of trusting life with the idea of trusting God or the divine that God will have you know is having control the divine. Is You know having control or having input or say or giving US advice. Would you agree with that that that's that's perfectly fine. Oh Gosh you know there's so many words urged people use and everyone finds their their their way through so many has what I would say. It's ultimately a matter of faith. Do you have faith that the experiences that you're getting or the ones that are there to serve you the most even if they don't come in a package edge that appears desirable right now is divine plan God's plan life's plan your plan spirits plan you know pick the word. It's all ultimately the same thing right but it's just stays in something bigger that exact part of you this there to serve you at all time giving you the experiences and can we be open enough to to really receive them and I wanted to underscore one thing that you said in that last point about you know your your marriage this thing you guys do together which is I think it was straight so perfectly perfectly this idea between do we need goals or do we <hes> is the you're talking about an experience. You're wanting right and it's so deep at its rich like you're wanting an experience deep. That's rich that's committed and so I think for us what we really want. Is these really fulfilling relationships and yet what we put on our list is not that what we're really wanting and so I think it's kind of a beautiful highlight of of really thinking about what what is it. Do we really want. That's not necessarily material on a list <hes> but it's really what is our heart one. I think that's ultimately the exercise that I've gotten to which is what am I heart. Walk and how do I. How do I operate from that place yeah? What is your hard want in addition to do a divine alive for whatever it it's it's addition to the feedback or the opportunities offering by offering offered by the cosmos which knows does better than us what we need and is offering these opportunities for us? We think we know what we need. We really don't know what we need. You know we set up goals in the beginning you you know maybe early in life. It's it's really really necessary but the older I get I find I don't need that I need. I need insight. I need to pay attention and you need to be keenly aware of my environment of my people full of what kind of job I'm doing and my next steps will come naturally but they don't come terron. They don't come without this period of waiting which is so uncomfortable uncomfortable because it's not like you just say Okay God Divine Universe <hes> I'm ready. I'm ready for your input. It doesn't work that way. The the input comes at the choice of the spirit spirit. It comes at the moment you need it not necessarily when you want it. Those are two different timelines and I tell you that you can really look at the magic in people's lives like you could look at someone who's life seems magical in someone's ones maybe who seems less magical and I'll tell you there's really one key difference and how opened a receiving you know are they and and also of let that idea that you can sit in the nothing this for a while and most people can't it was too much note so they won't they stay too busy and so when you're that busy there's no opening for life to give you something. It's almost like the requirements to receive this to be less busy in a sense yes. There's as a man that you listen to the talked about meditation and I'd like that and then you know there's the <hes> there's the formal sort of medication you know whether you're using transcendental meditation or your own you know I use. I use a podcast and he says that's very helpful but that's not the kind of meditation you need. The kind of meditation you need is to just sit quietly and listen and ponder how your life is going on and ponder the movement of the spirit in in your life and their comes the advice or I don't know if advice but direction that that will find you fulfillment. It's so true and it's it is that listening and how often do we sit in. Just listen and listen to our heart with door selves. Listen to what spirit saying I mean. It's not a practice that most people I know. House and yet it's per. It's a profound one. It really is and and also listening in ways that maybe you're not inside of meditation but listening. It's like okay. We'll have wife's giving me this experience. What do I need to listen to hear you know and it's sort of asking those questions <hes> because I think we're so programmed always be an action mode versus kind of listening or receiving mode <hes> that's been very common you receiving has been very common in in our talk today and that you and you have to be quiet to receive you can't be so busy that that you're blocking off any reception for many from any source whatsoever even the source of your heart? You don't even here the source of your heart art. Yeah like imagine that you're out for a run and you're out running. You know and most of us are running through life and someone's got an absolutely beautiful gift for you just waiting to give it to you and yet you're so busy running that you there's there's no stopping N._F._l.. Like you're not stopping to look or wait to receive or anything you're busy running and so if you were though however on your run and you said stop and just stand you know ponder the beautiful sky and the stars and on Park Bench and just invite anyone nearby to come down like you'd be made you would show up with something that would be a beautiful gift right and so how do we stop running long enough to sit down on the bench should be in a moment of receiving we are over our time but I have I do have have a final question. What would you suggest to our listeners as a way to start receiving and listening to the Voids Uh that that is of a higher power of of another state of being that can can advise us <hes> <hes> that can give us they can give us gifts? What what do you have kind of advice? Do you have for for our people well. I just give you the personal practice that I do. <hes> which is I I was actually just driving yesterday <hes> and I I did this often in the car because that's when I can be quiet but sometimes in my house I do too or just imagine life like I imagined like you know that beautiful deliciousness you get when you open a present. You don't know what's inside. There's always that moment of like ooh. I wonder what it's going to be. It's delicious moment of the anticipation of receiving something great so it's an energy. You know what that feels like my call that feeling so when I'm driving off could do that where I think oh my gosh life I will receive anything you want to give me as a gift. Anything and I don't know what it's going to be but I'm GonNa sit in this moment of anticipation knowing that whatever you're GonNa give me is going to be fantastic and Grayton exactly what I want. Even if I don't know that I wanted and so you ask well it's an energy that I choose to in for as long as as I can and in this case I was directing about half an hour and I'm probably about fifteen minutes of it. I can hold that energy of receiving the energy of okay life. I will receive whatever you want to give me an. I imagined that life is giving me treats and I don't even know what they are not anything specific. It's not like unwanted car want a new job. I want a boyfriend none of those things. It's not specific. It's just that moment of I don't know what's inside the box but I love that. I'm receiving something great and so how can we if I was going to offer an invitation it would be how can we in that energy of it's just whether it's in our car whether it's in the sun whether it's sitting in a chair and we're quite of you're saying okay life all receive anything you want to give me. I'm open to receiving and it's not much an ask as it is an energy of an and I'll wait no sit here because I love the feeling receiving sitting in feeling of receiving not feeling of asking does that make sense. Yes it does and it's the energy of asking but not the energy of receiving it is so difficult that is that is so contrary to everything thing that we've been taught that we've been taught to be so active and so proactive and in starting things you know all the all all the proactive podcast you know the ones that that I was listening to for the longest longest time and I don't listen to much anymore because I'm not so much end to that Taryn it you know we could we could go on you are you're so oh insightful and you bring such challenging and and not just challenging but heart warming and life changing ideas <hes> I I so appreciate you as a friend friend and and as a guest today thank you for coming on today what you're having me. I love our tax as always in to thank you. Thanks what a great talk. <hes> I also WanNa think our listeners for tuning into the next chapter with Charlie and be sure to check us out on our website the next chapter dot life that's l._i._f._F._e.. And as usual until next this is Charlie hedges signing off for now see you later uh I felt like I was listening private conversation did you who talks about this stuff. You guys really took it from a different angle. You were really heard talk about receiving and some other stuff here but it got very poignant to get very personal and I I it pulls you in. It makes you feel like you're listening to people honestly have a conversation like I was eavesdropping on your phone. That's such a great compliment. I it is. I think that's what you want to achieve. I think that's what you want to come across as yeah it. It really was a conversation because you know I follow my questions but I I you know I follow Terra Xlii to too many podcasts and media in general try and talk to you. It's like going going to a class. They're going to talk and I'm going to take note very few talk with you yeah. That's what we want. We want people talk with us in even if I'm just listening copy like I'm in part. I'm in the group groupon part of the conversation. I'm even if I'm just listening yeah that and that's unusual in podcasts <hes> because agenda they got five points in tune it in. I'm going to show you how smart I am and take note so into. They're subject that they're not into the audience listening no no and they're and they're not open to wonderment. They're not open to wow what I'm trying to get host to do that. More react you know actor say being the moment listen act like the audience act like a little kid. What why how I think you guys did a lot of that today? Yeah what we've done. This is our our third session. improbably I don't know what do you think Taryn fourth hour now on this subject topics. We could've gone another two hours. You know yeah we could be placed mad conscious the two of US chatting adding about this stuff true. I'd love to hear some reactions. If you guys you mentioned some people you know that are similarly going through end of year on what have you WANNA call. I'm let's say the end of Year Blues Blah's or whatever her but how would they rank the yanks yet. Would they listen to this would they were they would identify with it but they say thank goodness. Someone's talking about it because the whole world I was in P._R.. For twenty years that was there's always a guaranteed story if you could come up with a look back at the year or look forward to twenty nineteen every newspaper every TV show every radio wanted to do that story so there's always an urge when the calendar changes changes to look back or look forward you guys said let's look at it a different way yeah yeah and that was the idea that of the title you know Y- You know the popular titled that go in that God that's why we we took it off of that and we had gone that life and then I like the idea of let go and trust life hard to do part but it's not what what what he started. It's not I'll give you my a classic example. Maybe guys don't WanNa hear this personal story but years and years ago I don't have any biological children. I adopted a shot. My wife and I adopted child. <hes> when we were in our forties would've dumping to do she's like why don't we talk about some Weiner. Twenties Thirties could've done something about it but all of a sudden I got the urge. The clock had run out and I had to have a child so we went to foster or good. Kathy went to foster care and we thought okay good shape and got a good long relationship and house and jobs and have kid by Tuesday and took a year and it wasn't because we weren't trying or looking but you can't. There's nothing you can do. You just go to these agencies and they say we'll we'll find you one just trust just trust years gone by a trust that was just awful that just letting it happen yeah now we did find a wonderful child and and and she's our daughter now she's grown grown up and all these great things but that was an awful awful period of time for me. We hear anybody. Did we get anything you know just just waiting for the universe or for God to to to produce this somebody in our life here or to produce a change or result Charlie coming in refers to I've I'm bored. I got nothing to do. I mean that's just an awful period of time. Just trust that you're going to go out of it so true. It's so hard yeah. weightiness the waiting. The difficult is the difficult thing especially. If you have nothing going on during the waiting and then you feel like you gotta do something I gotTa go somewhere. We start going to adoption fares. It was awful these kids lined up like <hes> you know puppies and the playground or puppies <hes> pound and I thought Oh this isn't the way to do it. No g you gotta just trust painful. You gotTa Trust. Oh my God trust. I realized how bad I am a trusting trusting and I WANNA take charge. I want to do something about the five steps to fix my life here. Come on a gave you five minutes such a great point because didn't like just give you the experience you needed to unravel travel a little bit of that. There was nothing you could do nothing I could do there was not a Darn ding-dong thing I could do about it and it was frustrating. It was an in awful and and I couldn't believe that that would produce anything it did. I don't know that I'd trust anymore than the second I'd be on got Lucky Mallon. Let that happen again. Funny figures like you thousand times. It doesn't get any easier ten thousand time you know what I mean. I think you guys should do a show on that waiting waiting for good though the play in the guy never arrived you're watching the whole play and he never shows up. Oh yeah waiting for very very puffy Sam very very thank you very very esoteric very out there versus two guys in the room and they're waiting for this guy named Godot to show up in waiting waiting by tree tree or something yeah whatever they're reading and they're waiting waiting into meanwhile they start these conversations and fights and all this stuff happens while they're waiting waiting for forget dollar waiting for somebody who never arrives yeah yeah I saw it south goes repertory. They call the waiting for Gadoe. Even though I've always say doing they they use it waiting for Gadoe but <hes> but it certainly is a conversation Asian peace and what can happen while you're waiting for something else to happen. I guess that's the point of the play. That would be good talk. I like that Paul Yeah. Waiting puts a good title to waiting that was that was the when I wrote this. <hes> this blog that's that's <hes> <hes> <hes> Boorda more becoming and I can't remember this. The psychologist talked about boredom is is more we understand is more a period of waiting than it is. A period of I never thought about it takes nine months to have a baby not much happens nine months. Just your you know the delegates bigger but not much yeah. I don't know if I tell a woman that I mean isn't a lot. You're just waiting here. There's nothing you really doing done something. Nothing you can vendor do yeah. It's happening for right and it's all unseen. You don't know what's going to come out you know and <hes> yeah I think waiting is not something we do. Well and I don't do it well. I don't think most people in our society to it while we want instant answers instant solutions take charge every book all this self help books are to self help you to do something if I opened up the book and said just put this book down and wait. I throw it against the wall. Want my money back. Here's the answer there is no answer just wait play of the divide bathroom and Divine Feminine Right Divine Masks Missouri action-oriented divine seven seven and very receiving oriented. We spent so much time in the masks in very much time the feminine and yet balance happens between the two right. There's time for action. There's a time for receiving in Taryn is really pointed out that that I had dream visitations nations and more things of the divine feminine she said the Fine Feminists really talking to you and and and it really is a heart thing and it is it is <hes> <hes> what we're do you use <hes> <hes> <hes> not invitation <hes> receiving that it is time of it is a time of receiving and listening. My Dad taught me. You don't wait you get up in the morning. You put your suit on a new go yeah. That's American ethos yeah. You don't wait for anything you go. Get it have it. It's not like that around the world not that that's a bad thing either right like I mean again is time for action and there's a time for receiving like it's just knowing how to balance the too I had no balance for receiving I certainly had no balance for patients for waiting for that period of time for some child to appear on the horizon. I magically like a rabbit out of a hat here. Well tarrant it is it is always such a pleasure. 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#96 Taryn Voget Let Go and Trust Life

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That's Kinda surprising since when you consider consider them much of my past it's been about life planning yet. We have not produced a single show on that topic and today our approach to life Friday planning maybe strikingly new for our listeners but it is a process I've used most of two thousand eighteen and unfounded quite gratifying as well as productive now in order to help <hes> set us straight on this unusual path I am with my special friend and spiritual guide Taryn Vogue at who has been a guest a couple times on the show as a busy executive coach entrepreneur and author of the Delightful Book Trustfall Terron is full of out of the box thinking really out of the box thinking when it comes to most matters in life and life planning I._S.. Taryn to write a brief thoughts <hes> too bright a brief paragraph on her thoughts toward the New Year's planning and these are what I consider provocative kid of words Taryn rights many of us push to continually grow and expand but what if we didn't we don't need to work so hard what if life is exactly where to fo well. I'm GonNa Start that paragraph all over again many of us push ourselves to continually grow and expand but what if we don't need to work so hard what if life knows exactly what if life knows exactly exactly where to find us to deliver the experiences we need for our own evolution and what if there is no real action necessary on our part other than to be more aware of life's bigger plan this podcast explores new ideas about our own evolution and how life is here to serve our highest destiny and greatest expansion always I think that's quite provocative <hes> <hes> as far as not planning and waiting for life to do what it's going to do so let's all be ready to have our traditional view of life planning challenged by the ever so insightful and innovative thinking of Sharonville Taryn welcome to the next chapter with Charlie. Thanks Charlie. I'm so happy to be here and happy to be back on the show. It's such a delight. I love this topic. Yeah I do too. We've had <hes> we've probably had. What do you think four hours of conversation on this topic in the last couple of days I know and I love what you said that we should have recruited one of those conversations because it really was the genesis of this? It was such a great bunch of insight so I'm thrilled to be sharing what you and I talked about earlier with the bigger audience and we have to distill it you know because because it was for hours a conversation and I really can't get can't can't wait to get into this entirely new approach to planning our alive in your as I said out of the box thinking but it's it's not out of the box thanking as much as it's it's. It's progressive thinking I I think you don't you don't allow the status quo to influence your thinking. You're you're thinking I used to say that I was averaged. Only I was average about two years ahead of everyone else. I think your average about a decade ahead of everybody else and and and you have you have really interesting interesting thoughts well. Thanks thanks for that compliment. It's funny you say that because I really had this awareness in this last year that it really do feel about ten years ahead of my time and it's not a good feeling it's usually a feeling of beating my head against a wall or feeling crazy but eventually it all catches up but you know right before the show we were talking about things that feel scripted like Christmas for example feel somewhat of a scripted holiday and I think you know the collective consciousness. We're trying to re script it in a better way. I had this epiphany over the last. I don't know ten years or so that so much of life feels scripted. You know this idea that you go to school. You get good grades. You get into a good college. You get a good job. You save money in your retirement. You know you've got a family. Ah Fence a car going to vacations and one day you're retired and you get to really enjoy your life like that's the great American script and I realize many years ago that that script is really quite flawed and so a lot of I think what you think is provocative. Thinking is just realizing I don't really care for the script and what's what's really blow that that's more true and I you know that was some of the the ideas that you and I were talking about. which is you know if you throw away the script for life? What's really they're like what's the deeper truth? That's really a great insight right in and and the script he you know it's funny that we have this script but the script only works for a few you know the script is really successful for the minority. It's not I don't I don't think it successful for the majority I think the majority then feel badly about themselves because they can't abide by the script and they and they have deflated egos and and deflated hearts and and states states have been and I agree with you that we need to <hes> we need to amend that script and think differently so so I wanNA start off today with more than a year ago and and because I did it in two thousand eighteen eighteen more than a year ago you challenge me and I'm the anal life planning specialist you know I have I have you know my hope planning thing according to the four ps of life of Uh Passion power purpose and and people and and how you can make goals in each one of them and there's checklists to follow and all you know I was I was really into that and you challenged me to let go of my list of to do's into bees and just accept life as it comes now that sounds that that may not sound to two different but when you let go of all the planning and just wait for things to happen the waiting is and sometimes unbearable and you and I talked talked about it <hes> as possibly even getting into boredom but you know what for the most part I heeded your advice and found that two thousand eighteen was quite productive and and quite gratifying and it was all done without a checklist. It was just letting life come to me. Please tell me from your perspective. Why do you think that is so when you take a step back and thinking about this which is I think we've been sold this idea that unless we're actively making goals that we aren't really achieving their full potential that in order to really really achieve what we want? We've got to set a goal. Go after it achieve it and then do that again and again and again I mean that's sort of the talking about scripts. It's kind of a script for one. That's really on a you know a passive ever-evolving expansion which I think most people are in some way shape or form <hes> and that if you don't have goals you're lazy and you're up to your potential right so if you sort of take that as the premise you know the size they were always trying to achieve something greater and and we've got check boxes and you know to do we need this much in retirement when he just kind of a career and we need this kind of promotion or this kind of a house or you know whatever the thing is right and what I have found in my own experience is that when we create all these goals would actually create quite a bit of stress but deeper than the stress it creates a lot of busy Z. work meaning that we're doing a lot of activities that don't yield us more of what we're really wanting because I think more of what we're really wanting is to be the flow of life to have the synchronous visas magical moments those connections in the the unexpected things that bring us delight and more time with our families. I mean what we're really wanting is not all of these achievements at something deeper than that or more in the flow of life and so the the fallacy is that we think will if we don't have a goal. We don't know what we're working towards but what I've come to realize is that life is exactly what we need in order to grow it evolve. We don't have to set that up like life knows that and so if we can be more relaxed about it we can actually work not as hard and get more of what we're really wanting and so you did this twenty eighteen. What was your experience more about that? I'm curious so you know I think I think it has a lot to do with <hes> with my my writing. I I liked my writing better. I I just didn't I didn't allow myself to feel the pressure of having to deliver on really false goals. You know the whenever I'm whenever I'm making goals they're just they're sort of false goals or just goals that I think sound good but there's really little generally little data to to support it and little no reason to support it and the big thing that happened that you know I've talked quite a bit on the show. The big thing that happened I was totally UNEXP. Unexpected was my involvement with wells of life and you know I spent more than a couple of months in Uganda and we have just you know delivered water to hundreds of thousands of people and save the lives of tens of thousands of children and and this was not planned. You know I didn't plan to go to Uganda. For a month it just it came up in this sounded like a good opportunity and I had a lot of meetings and a lot to do and and it just came up. There's no way in January I would have known of that no way whatsoever and and yet it was one of the best months of the year for me. I am and <hes> although I do you know we're going to have to talk about later. There is some planning involved but it's not this big major goal setting sort sort of thing and I and I found also in leading our marriage happen and just being kind and compassionate <hes> my marriage is absolutely wonderful. I've been married thirty three years and it's just my wife and I get along so well and and it's without having this big goal of Okay Charlie here. You've got to be this kind of husband and you've got to be you know this kind of person so I I've. I've I've had I've. I've had some great moments but I've also I've also as we talked about. If you're waiting for life to happen there is that waiting factor and that waiting weighting factor can be perceived as we discussed as boredom and boredom is really just another word for waiting and it's another word for waiting to become I think I even wrote a blog on that <hes> <hes> aboard more becoming and and and it's and it's a waiting period so some of those some of the things I experienced first of all I love what you said. which is a false goal because I that's so perfectly articulated? I I think when people create these gaullists most of them are false goals because the goals in our heart don't need to be written. They're already there. What are we articulate them or not? It's when we have to write the ball down. It almost like we're talking ourselves into it. Versus it just being something in our innate consciousness <hes> but you make the perfect point to that all these beautiful unexpected things happen. That's really been my experience. I I gave up goal setting a long time ago <hes> but when you let go of that you give life the opportunity opportunity to bring you something far better than what you expected right so. We think that if we don't have a goal that we're going to achieve we're not gonNA have much of anything. The exact inverse is what's true in my experience and you just mentioned that right something far better then you could have had on your goal list showed up right. It's like it's just a funny paradox so much like the more we let go the more we we create the opening for life to deliver a gift after gift after gift that we couldn't have expected <hes>. I and I think you're so right about that that boredom. I'm I'm sort of in that moment right now in my own life. I'm between you know you mentioned that and I just can't I can't I cannot picture Taryn Vogue Eda's board oh I mean it's a little stunned you how board I've been lately but it's it's. It's what I just know this place so well because I've been here so many times is boredom but what it really is being inside the void devoid of creation like it's almost like some part of you steps into that that space were all of creation as possible and it's everything and nothing at the same time it feels like boredom but it's really this infinite Chretien and I've just gotTa sit there and let it create almost like a woman just as a baby in a sense right this amazing birth. It'll it'll all all appeared my reality but in this moment I'm busy creating without knowing exactly what I'm reading in the void and it feels like boredom and it's almost like painfully boring boring and and but but you know what it really requires it really requires you you you know you wrote in your paragraph an openness to receive if you're not open to receive you can miss what life is throwing at you. Yeah had this girl friend. Call me the other night. She said Taryn. Oh my gosh listening the best audiotape it's called the secret and I laughed so hard because this was a big popular movie that came out about a decade ago the secret it just swept through the spiritual community and it was this whole idea that you know after you shall receive after universe what you want and you shall receive and everybody started putting their orders in the universe like it was a catalog like I'll find the abundance to pay for it. I'll pay for it now. My credit card and the abundance will show up to pay off my credit card asking I shall receive right so it's sort of funny thing that swept through the spiritual community Kinda laughed because ten years later you know my friend had just kind of found this <hes> and and I said you do. I said that's a great place. If you're feeling called to it it's not that it's bad information but incomplete and it goes back to this idea goal setting right. If I can just imagine it then it will show up. I think what has been my experience that I've really rarely heard anybody talk about this especially in the spiritual community but really rises the cosmic receiving game. It's not a cosmic creating game in a sense. They're going after something game. It's a cosmic receiving game meaning. Most people think that they are would be able to receive a million dollars a new car a house the dream job all all of it the perfect relationship anything you can imagine most of the things I could receive it but if I were to say to you Charlie you know what I'd like to take you on a fifty thousand dollars vacation. Come with me tomorrow all expenses paid. How would you feel about receiving that? <hes> going with you would be good going with somebody. Else may not be a good idea right. If I just wrote you a check for fifty thousand dollars instead Okay Charlie. Take yourself on vacation. Could you receive that Oh yeah of course it's a fifty thousand dollar. Check all right. This is actually a good point. That's what I think. You're probably a good receiver in that sense. I asked a friend of mine this recently and she's like there's no way I could take your money. I couldn't do it. Most people think they could actually receive that but they but they really when it came came down to it and it actually the transaction to happen. It would be very difficult. You'd feel bad you feel like you owed them something. You know you feel like you're indebted in some way one of my closest friends is the world's worst receiver. I mean you give her a gift and she gives you ten in return because she just can't bear to receive something without giving ten things in return <hes> and so the thing with goal setting and this idea of you know I need to go in and create all these things. We'll actually light. Has All these things that wants to give you. Are we open enough. Do we have enough self worth to receive them see this perfect. Just give you a mansion. Could you receive the mansion no no strings attached just here you go right yeah and you know and it would be difficult you know I can. I can admit that would be that would be difficult. <hes> you know we chatted. We we chatted about something you brought up a concept that I really resonate and I think it has a lot to do with goal setting and that is <hes> our need to unravel our ego and and you know as I told you that that really hit me because I think the needs of our ego for self esteem self important worthiness from other people so often drives our goal setting planning for life <hes> explain to me a bit more about what this means about unraveling our ego I have. I have my ideas but I but I think it's I think it's central to this goal <unk> setting F.. R. Ego is driving our goal setting if our ego for the acquisition of stuff and and the acceptance and love of other people if that's what we're trying to do it's very difficult to to accomplish and then the irony is when we attain it. We're still in the same place we always were true. It's been my experience and I'll just use a personal story to illustrate great it is when I watched <hes> my second company I had all of these big goals. My Company's GonNa make ten million dollars in the first two years or three years. I'm going to be you know on all these media outlets like I had all of these big dreams games and goals for my initial washing vision of this company and even list them out of and this is probably probably about ten years ago and it listed them all out you know that was when you were in the goal city. That was what I was in the goal setting which is not long after so I gave it up but <hes> it was all out and what I realized later was that I didn't really hit any of those goals. <hes> actually not a single one that was on that list they were very materially driven a lot of them or kind of I would say ego driven and and and I say ego like it was sort of a sweet part of me that wanted recognition for my work you know if I could get on all these media shows and talk about this work then people would recognize that I've got something to offer and so a lot of my goals were about either needing some recognition for my work so I thought that would make me feel good or needing money because somehow validated myself worth in the world or my contribution in the world and the truth is I didn't achieve any of those things <hes> and it wasn't until I a deconstructed this reevaluated in a few years later that I realized what I got out of my initial launch of the company was was far better and richer than any of those goals I mean I took my own coaches. Let's do a whole `nother level. I really dug deep into a topic that I don't think it's been exported anywhere. In the world the way of quite explored it develops relationships and connections that I still have to this day you know pushed myself to the edge in terms of what I was capable of doing in terms of creating something in a good way I mean I I pushed. I mean just massive creative output. Put to the point where I was like. I I can't do any more than this. This is my edge and I knew that was it was kind of a cool feeling and so all these amazing things and experiences happened in. I really deepened as a person and yet none of those things were on my goal list but they were all really far are better and so what was on my goal is with quite ego driven but the experience that I received was really quite hard centered and so I think you're right. I think a lot of goal setting in the ego but really life in this is what I wrote in the paragraph earlier you know life is trying to give us experiences to unravel the ego and what I mean by that. Is You know what helps me at least in part unravel my ego or at least began the journey of that was realizing that all these things on my goal is when I launched my business where things that they didn't achieve and like I had to kind of let go of that be like all right well. What I got was better so is that really what I'm wanting you know where those really the things that I- wanting or did like have a bigger dream and made sure it didn't get those things so that I wouldn't have attached more ego to it right yeah? I you know I agree and and it's really you know I. I'm so you know as I grow older. I'm so into this I mean not so into it it. He's just a topic of of thought for me and that's the legacy and for what do I want to be remembered and and it is it is certainly none of my goal lists. You know I I could I could care. Plus if I achieve those and they're all relational and internal lists that <hes> are much more important to me and those are not typically on the goal list yeah they're you're not. I don't know if I've talked about this any of your past shows but I went through quite an extensive Chamonix training and we call it sort of folly Shaman School <hes> it's not actually called up though so now you're admitting your show yeah you know it's it's public now <hes> but what are the exercises shamas go you go through this whole program where you really deal with death and what are the exercises really changed my life where you had to really go through your own death and be on your deathbed and you had all these people that play different characters in your life like your mother Your Father Your partner whoever and there were just literally Kleenex all over the room really quite emotional to go through your own death and to realize when you're on your deathbed what really matters and I can just like you said it wasn't anything on my goal list. It wasn't anything material. It was the love that I shared with people that's what mattered and the and the regret or two that I had was that I didn't amend some relationships in my life. It had nothing to do with vacations. Cars houses promotions notoriety eighty fame had nothing to do with that it was all how much connection with people loved that I share and it was quite it actually changed my life and that's when I stopped making goalless. It was a couple years after I lost my company I have I have a far before. Take a break because I wanNA. I WANNA take a little bit as usual. I WANNA take a little bit different direction on our on our break. That's that's still in in topic but as I was preparing for the show at my normal location I have I have a little place that I go to regularly and I know all the servers and the managers and and it's a very quiet business location and I was preparing the show and I had a conversation with a thirty five year old manager and A. and showed her your paragraph and she looked she says letting life happen without planning sounds fine for those of you who who have experienced some degree of success but what about those who have not experienced those degrees of success and with her it was at thirty five years old. It was what about like marriage and children had how do you respond to her about not setting a goal for finding some minion how did set a goal for finding a spouse. I mean but you know it's that she needs to have direction in that. You know she feels the waiting. The idea of waiting was just was just whore in her mind. You know I'm so glad she asked that question because I'm forty three and I'm still single and I actually don't want kids but for a long time I did now I don't but I really can relate to that this idea of just waiting for Mr Writer Miss Right to come along and just it feels like an eternal waiting and you know I it goes back to the what if this is exactly the experience that we're needing in order to find the love within ourselves and not be looking before it in another partner meaning when you're thinking that someone's GonNa show up in your life to provide you all the things that you're wanting whether it's companionship or friendship or to alleviate loneliness or deprived you some financial resources or care here for a family that you're wanting like when you're waiting for all of that to show up. You're putting a lot in someone else to make you happy and what if life is just unraveling us from that false idea and creating a stronger of self within so that we can be more emotionally self sufficient and so you know a lot of my girlfriends we find ourselves single <hes> and I think it's because if we had partners we wouldn't be doing the internal growth. Their soul is really wanting and I completely relate to the fact of feeling like wow it really be great if the partner showed up and yet I'm also keen to the fact of like yeah and maybe today's not the day and it's not time like I've got the more inner work to do for myself for my own growth growth. It's what I'm wanting on a bigger emotional level. Does that make sense. It makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense for happiness or success like okay so you get this great relationship now. Do you feel successful like I don't know anyone who's ever achieved see something on their on their goal list or their life task list all of a sudden they woke up and they're like Oh my God I achieved this now. I feel successful idea right. Fifty three percent of them didn't find success since Astra divorce rate so so my list of accomplishments and and you know there's there's a lot of them and to be like this is clearly a successful woman but do I feel successful. You know and it's taken me a lot of years to be like well do I. I don't know I mean certainly like my list of accomplishments should think that I was successful but do I feel that way and I really don't know anyone whose accomplishments makes them feel successful and and that's what I want to talk about after the break so let's take a quick break and we're going to jump right into that topic Baixa. You is a perfect transition so let's take a quick break. Keep you're listening to Charlie hedges and this is the next chapter with Charlie. I am here with my good friend and spiritual guide will get and we are talking about an entirely different process of life planning and since this is the beginning of the New Year of two thousand nineteen you might consider this for your <hes> for your planning for the year although it is <hes> <hes> certainly challenging gene now we <hes> we have talked about we've talked about goal setting and unraveling the ego and that there is so much in our ego and our self esteem and self importance and so forth and and those sorts of <hes> ideals that are important that are all externally driven and you know Taryn. I've made an observation about the driving forces of the productive oriented culture found in much of the United States and I you you know you know what I think. It comes down to are really a major contributor is our economic system of capitalism. <hes> which also I do happen to believe. It's the best economic system out there however it seems that in the United States many of us have made capitalism a dogma and not just an economic system in other words what I mean is that stuff in wealth we accumulate eight through capitalism <hes> plays a powerful role and how we perceive ourselves worth with <hes> when you you know collecting our stuff when other aspects or other in non-tangible 's like love and service and kindness and compassion really say a whole lot more about who we really are than the stuff we possess and so capitalism Eliza while it's worked really fine and building an economy I think has contributed to this goal setting of trying to achieve what I can achieve through this this economic system would you agree that I really would and and I think if I could articulate it in a sense this idea that we define our self worth by how much money we make or what her title is or how much we have or the home we've purchased right. We really define our self worth by that and so this idea of capitalism and economic system versus capitalism the way to define who we are as people and our value in the world I think has gotten quite mixed up. Yeah it really has it really has an it's an it's <hes> <hes> it's I think it's I think it's I think it's damage damaging. You know as I've you know. Richard Rohr wrote the book <hes> falling up where he talked about the first and second half alive. Although it's really the I two thirds of life for the first three quarters of life in the last one quarter which you hit the second half and you're no longer driven by these ego needs but you're driven by the soul you're driven by those things that that are so fulfilled and other fulfilled you know that we how we how we serve other people and I just think you know we spend the first half to three quarters of our life trying to satisfy these capitalistic these accumulation of stuff ideals and I I can just I can just advocate that very few times. Have the stuff been a satiated as I thought it would be now. I don't want to say it's not nice you know it's nice to have a nice home and a nice car and and you know those are those are nice conveniences but they are not what define who I am and define what's important to me in life yeah and you know let me be clear. I I love a little luxury. <hes> what's been interesting about it. Is You know we talked earlier about life knows where to find you. Life knows how to give you the experiences that you need to grow and evolve your own soul and spirit and and I tell you I must have some soul contract that says no mercy because he had a life really <hes> put me on quite a journey a few years ago a they literally sold everything I owned and moved out of my apartment <hes> mainly because the time I couldn't afford it and what I thought would be you know a journey of a few months off ended up being two and a half years of what I call my walkabout and I wrote a book about that called trustful and it was at the very end of the two and a half years of traveling and I mean I was broke and I you know I had you and your traveling the world. I still can't believe this story again. You know I talked to the cosmic receiving gay people paid for left things for me and I tell you it's not easy to accept but <hes> but it's quite miraculous when he realized the cosmic receiving game and you can receive all kinds of goodies you know come your way <hes> but but doesn't it all depend spend on what you're looking for. If if life is 'cause Mik receiving game it depends on what are your expectations if your expectations are the Million Dollar House and the Mercedes Benz then life is not a cosmic. Receiving game but if we're talking about soulful needs life is a cosmic receiving game. Would you agree you know what let's put a pin in that for just a second because I want to finish that's the story about how okay okay received cap more and it was because of an epiphany fleming to come back to that but in a different way which is on this on his walkabout at the very end when I really had no money and I was just over all of it <hes> and it was always amazing two and half years they can read the book about it. It's called trust fall but to really go ahead to really go deep in a realize that is my self worth defined by money because here I have no money no job no house at this point a car that my parents had given me because I had sold my other one I mean I had nothing I had materially. Nothing and I had to do this inquiry of but but am I still valuable. Do I still have worth am I still successful because I have none of these things and it wasn't like all of a sudden they asked the question. The answer was yes like it took some really deep inquiry and some really deep full searching to realize like I am as amazing using without any of those things as I am with all of those things and I can feel really good about myself with nothing as I can with everything and you want to know the crazy thing is the minute that I realized I was valuable with nothing. It was an unraveled that whole entire your script that you need all these things to have value in the world that I felt valuable and successful without any of those things was the minute my whole entire life turned around and massive abundance started showing up because I didn't need it to justify myself worse and so I was like well if you don't don't need it. We'll we'll just give it to you anyway like there's no resistance in receiving it <hes> and so receiving a mindset. It's it's openness. It's it's like that yes and yet I guess my point is that when when we let go of the goal and we're electoral this idea that our ego needs to certain achievements to feel a certain way and we can feel that way without anything we can feel that way with nothing in our life. If we were homeless on the street we could still feel good about ourselves. <hes> now that might not be the spirit prefer and that's fine but that we can still feel good about ourselves meaning. We're not waiting to feel good because we have something in our life. We have a relationship. We have a beautiful home. We have a great job we ever promotion right like we can feel good about ourselves without any of back and so when the answer to that is yes that is that's a deep place to get to and all of a sudden life starts to flow a lot more <hes> and so what was what did I say we were putting opinion. I wanted to come back to great question. I didn't market it was <hes> never mind. We can just go never mind but I think that I think maybe came around to it again. which is this <hes> <hes> feeling about receiving? It's like that life is if you're open and you feel so worse and you are okay with what life has to give you. That doesn't necessarily match US your goal list. It's actually probably better later. It's quite an amazing to live life. Man Life will give you exactly what you need. It just may not always come in the package that you had envisioned exactly you know and I so I so agree with you and I and I and I had a year of experiencing variants seen that and and I'm planning this year at the same time now now. I'm GONNA come from the other side <hes> i. It's not necessarily playing devil's advocate but it's it's it's completing this concept so we're we're tanning this episode to let go and trust life <hes> to just let life take charge and follow the lead that is that is that is there and to accept what is offered at at the moment but that certainly doesn't mean that we totally disregard planning planning but it has a great impact on the way we do plan so planning where we are not suggesting suggesting that you don't plan that you just sit around every day and and and wait for the phone to ring or for the cosmic email there there remained some planning involved ball does or not but I think like anything you know there's there's always phases in points of process along the way you know. When do you plan right? At what point do you plan and I think that whether it's a business or in your own personal life like there is a moment where planning is quite a helpful stage in the process but I think it's less important than most people think because again if you're if you're planning everything out you're missing a lot of magic and I'm GonNa give you a great example. This one of my dear friends has planned her retirement. Since she was twenty five. She's now sixty four and she has been planning and Planning and planning for forty years her retirements and you know it's kind of been a little red head about it and you know she will have a beautiful retirement retirements but I mean it's almost like planning to the degree because I I think she's missed out my own personal opinion a lot along the way in planning and letting life provide some magic for her and so the Geneva plan for forty years for your retirement maybe mixture. She'll knock yourself out <hes> but I think if we were more open to the gift that life were to give us more open to receiving all the abundance she was looking forward coming along the way no planning necessary sorry I liked that I liked the magic the concept of the magic of life and if we're planning we miss a magic of life <hes> because we're determining what the magic is and you're scripting thing it out that there's no opening drop in yes wrapping up a project at the Gates Foundation and this is the time of year what what they call annual planning and it's a whole year of planning for the next is year and so a certain amount of that is somewhat helpful. I mean you need to think about budgets and how we're going to of course achieve you know and so and and yet when I also it's been my experience is that because everything is so planned nothing unscripted opted can happen during the year and so we miss out on all these amazing opportunities because it's all too prescriptive really yes I think most businesses find themselves in that situation and in which is which is unfortunate especially with an organization like the Gates Foundation because there could be wonderful opportunities to come up during the year that are not scripted and so they don't they don't occur like most companies are like we're going to grow by fifteen percent this year and everybody needs to sell L. X.. Amount to hit that number also scripted well. What if you're in the magic of it instead of thirteen percent it was eighty two percent growth but nobody likes that because it looks like you know in the stock markets that it's too much of a spike everybody wants to be so controlled and have predictability ability well where does the magic and predictability and so it's that balance of planning and predictability and magic and and unexpected greatness this is making you know th the this concept Taryn makes life to me much which more exciting it makes life you know <hes> you know I'm the adventurer explorer and it just it it it it it gives life and much more exciting <hes> purview than this this following the script I'm not I'm not a great script follower but let me tell you what we do? Well my wife and I do and I and I don't know if I mentioned on the podcast but but every year between Christmas and New Year's we take three days and <hes> and so we can have one day where we wake up and go to sleep in this same out of town you know little hotel somewhere and what we do. During that time is that we evaluate our marriage and you know we've been married thirty three years and just say is there anything I could do better for you to serve you in your marriage and your marriage in our marriage or or anything I've been doing that. You would like me to stop doing and and you know this is not an easy question Taryn. There's there's been times these have been careful discussions because we're not afraid to get to the nitty gritty to what what what the issues are but <hes> as a result of these I can say after thirty three years of marriage. I have a great marriage I mean it's just it's amazing but that's that's planning without planning. You know what I mean. It's it's it's evaluating circumstance and saying this is what would make it better. This was what would make us better and we do that and we ended up having a great year but it doesn't hit this goal list and and we also will do our budgets and we'll plan our vacations because you know with when your sole proprietors you know you need to do that. You need to plan the time where you're going to be away so they're so back to the point. We're we're totally we're not totally disregarding planning but I think we are disregarding goal setting as part of our <hes> our process you know goal setting as what we want to achieve and accomplish and and we leave that to to life does that make does that make sense Taryn yeah and I think that's really beautiful. I haven't heard very many couples. Do that where it's just sort of you know ritual almost every year so I think that's really a testament to your marriage but what I would say about the goal is this idea of a false school versus. The goal of the heart I mean it sounds to me like a goal of the heart here is that you want a great marriage. I mean it's something that's important to you and so because it's the goal of the heart you dedicate some time into it and this is the ritual that you know seems to be working and so you know when you have a goal of the heart it doesn't need to be on the list and a conversation doesn't need to be documented with outcomes that need to be tracked him my name right because ripped. They're they're typically you know when my wife says you could be doing so and so differently I already know it. You know it's Yeah I could. I've been kind of excuse me I've been kind of a Dick there. You know hi can do I can do better and <hes> and she's very open at the same time but you know it it e you know to those of you in the audience who may be thinking. This is something you could try Brian. I I highly highly recommend it. If you're honest and serious it is an honest in serious process that sometimes some of the things you ask for our difficult or some of the way you're saying. In some of the ways you're feeling can be difficult but but it's preventive maintenance it's it's fixing fixing the problem before the problem occurs or at least getting it in half way and and and you can move on <hes> we are nearing the end of our time but I have one final question that I know many of <hes> the people would like to <hes> like to hear addressed and and I'm curious of your our opinion. I'm I am sure that many of our audience would like to replace the idea of trusting life with the idea of trusting God or the divine that God God will have you know it's having control of the divine. Is You know having control or having input or say or giving US advice. Would you agree with that that that's that's perfectly fine. Oh Gosh you know there's so many words that people use and everyone you know finds their their their way through so many paths what I would say. It's ultimately a matter of faith. Do you have faith that the experiences that you're getting or the ones that are there to serve you the most even if they don't come in a package that appears desirable right now is it a divine plan God's plan life's plan your plan plan you know pick the word ultimately the same thing right but it's just faith in something bigger that exact part of view this there to serve you at all time giving you the experiences and can we be open enough to to really receive them and I wanted to underscore one thing that you said in that last point about you know your your marriage in his thing you guys do together. which is I think it was straight so perfectly this idea between do we need goals or do we <hes> is the you're talking about an experience? You're wanting right and it's so deep at its rich like you're wanting experience deep. That's rich that's committed and so I think for a lot of what we really want. Is these really fulfilling relationships and yet what we put on our list is not that what we're really wanting and so I think it's kind of a beautiful highlight of of really thinking about what what is it do. We really want not necessarily material or on a list <hes> but it's really what is our heart one. I think that's ultimately the exercise that I've gotten to which is what my heart want and how do i. How do I operate from that place? Yeah what is your heart what in addition to to a divine alive for whatever it it's it's addition to the feedback or the opportunities offering by offering offered by the cosmos which which knows better than us what we need and is offering these opportunities for us. We think we know what we need. We really don't know what we need. You know we set up goals in the beginning you he. You know maybe early in life. It's it's really really necessary but the older I get I find I don't need that I need. I need insight. I need to pay attention and he needs to be keenly aware of my environment of my people of what kind of job I'm doing and my next steps will come naturally but they don't come Taryn. They don't come without this period of waiting which is so uncomfortable because it's not like you just say Okay God divine universe. I'm ready. I'm ready for your input. It doesn't work that way. The the input comes at the choice of the spirit. It comes at the moment you need it not necessarily when you want it. Those are two different timelines and I tell you that you can really look at the magic in people's lives like you could look at someone who's life seems magical when someone's maybe who seems less magical I'll tell you there's really one key difference and how opened a receiving you know are they and and also of let that idea that you can sit in the nothing this for a while and most people people can't do it so they won't they stay too busy and so when you're that busy there's no opening for life to give you something. It's almost like the the requirements to receive this to be less dizzy in a sense yes. There's a man that you listen to the talk about meditation and I'd like that and then you know there's the <hes> there's the formal sort of medication you know whether you're using transcendental meditation or your own you know I use I use a podcast and and he says that's very helpful but that's not the kind of meditation you need. The kind of meditation need is to just sit quietly and listen and ponder how your life is going on and and ponder the movement of the spirit in your life and there comes the advice or I don't know if advice but direction that that will find minded fulfilment. It's so true and it's it is that listening and how often do we sit and just listen and listen to our heart with Dorsal. Listen to what spirit saying I mean. It's not a practice that most people I know have and yet it's it's a profound one. It really is and and also listening in ways that maybe you're not inside of meditation but listening. It's like okay. We'll wife's giving me this experience. What do I need to listen to hear you know and it's sort of asking he knows questions <hes> because I think we're so programmed always be an action mode versus kind of listening or receiving mode <hes> that's been very common you receiving has been very common in our talk today and that you and you have to be quiet to receive you can't be so busy that that you're blocking off any reception for many from any source whatsoever even the source of your heart? You don't even hear the source in your heart. Yeah like imagine that you're out for a run and you're out running and most of us are running through life and someone's got an absolutely beautiful gift for you just waiting to give it to you and yet you're so busy running that you there's no stopping N._F._l.. Like you're not stopping to look or wait to receive or anything you're busy running and so if you were though however on your run and you said stop and just stand you know ponder the beautiful sky and the stars and on a park bench Russian just invite anyone nearby to comes down like you'd be made to would show up with something that would be a beautiful gift right and so how do we stop running long enough to sit down on the bench and be in a moment of receiving we are over our time but I have I do have a final question. What would you suggest to our listeners as a way to start receiving and listening to the voice you that that is of a higher power of of another state of being that can can advise us <hes> <hes> that can give us they can give us gifts? What would you have? What kind of advice do you have for for our people well? I just give you the personal practice that I do. <hes> which is I. I was actually just driving yesterday <hes> and I I did this often in the car because that's when I can be quiet but sometimes in my house I do it too or just imagine life like. I imagined like you know that beautiful deliciousness you get when you open a present. You don't know what's inside. There's always that moment of like Oh. I wonder what it's GonNa be a delicious moment of the anticipation of receiving something great so it's an energy. You know what that feels like. You might call that feeling so when I'm driving. I often do that where I think oh my gosh life I will receive anything you WANNA. Give me as a gift. Anything and I don't know what it's going to be but I'm GonNa sit in this moment of anticipation knowing that whatever you're GonNa give me is going to be fantastic in Grayton exactly what I want. Even if I don't know that I wanted and so you ask well it's it's an energy that I choose to sit in for as as long as I can and in this case I was directing about half an hour. I'm probably about fifteen minutes of it. I can hold that energy of receiving the energy of okay life. I will receive whatever you WANNA. Give me an I imagined that life is giving me treats and I don't even know what they are. It's not anything specific. It's not like I want a new car. I want a new job. I WANNA boyfriend. It's none of those things it's not specific. It's just that moment of I don't know what's inside the box but I love that. I'm receiving something great and so how can we if I was going to offer an invitation it would be how can we in that energy gee of just whether it's in our car whether it's in the sun whether it's sitting in a chair and we're quite of saying okay life all receive anything you WanNa give me I'm open to receiving and it's not so much an ask as it is an energy of an and I'll wait no sit here because I love the tailing of receiving it sitting in the feeling of receiving not feeling of asking does that make sense. Yes it does and it's the energy of asking but not the energy of receiving it is so difficult that is that is so contrary to everything that we've been taught that we've been taught to be so active in so proactive and in starting things you know all the all the all the proactive podcasts you know the ones that that I was listening to for the longest longest time and I don't listen to much anymore because I'm not so much into that Taryn it you know we could we could go on you are you're. You are so insightful and you bring such challenging and and not just challenging but heartwarming and life changing ideas <hes> I so I so appreciate he was a friend and and as a guest today thank you for coming on today. Thank you so much for having me. I love our tax as always in too. Thank you. Thanks what a great talk. <hes> I also WanNa think our listeners for tuning into the next chapter with Charlie and be sure to check us out on our website the next chapter dot life. That's L. I. F. E. and as usual until next this is Charlie hedges signing off for now see you later. I felt like I was listening to a private conversation and did you who talks about this stuff. You guys really took it from a different angle. You were really heard talk about receiving and some other stuff here but it got very poignant to get very personal and I i. Hey it pulls you in. It makes you feel like you're listening to two people honestly have a conversation like I was eavesdropping on your phone. That's such a great compliment. I think it is. I think that's what you want to achieve. I think that's what you want to you. Come across as yeah it. It really was a conversation because you know I follow my questions but I I you know I follow Tara's to too many podcasts and media in general try and talk to you. It's it's like going to a class. They're going to talk and I'm going to take note very talk with you. Yeah we want. We want people to talk with us. Even if I'm just listening. I feel like I'm in part. I'm I'm in the group. I'm part of the conversation. Even if I'm just listening yeah that and that's unusual in podcasts <hes> because the agenda they got five points and tune it in. I'm going to show you how smart I am and take note so so in their subject that they're not into the audience listening no no and not open to wonderment. They're not open to wow what I'm always trying to get host to do that. More react you know actor say being the moment listen and act like the audience act like a little kid. What why how I think you guys did a lot of that today yeah what we've done? This is our our third obsession and probably I don't know what do you think Taryn fourth hour now on this topic so we could have gone another two hours. You know yeah we could be placed mad conscious the two of of his chatting about this stuff. I'd love to hear some reactions. If you guys you mentioned some people you know that are similarly going through interviewer on whatever you WanNa call I must say the end of Year Blues Blah's or whatever but how would they react to the Yanks yet. Would they listen to this would they would they would identify with it but they say thank goodness. Someone's talking about it because the whole world I was in P._R.. For Twenty years that was always a guaranteed story if you could come up with a look back at the year or look forward at Twenty nineteen every newspaper every TV show every radio wanted to do that story so there's always an urge when the calendar under changes to look back look forward you guys said let's look at it a different way yeah and that was the idea of the title you know you know the popular titled that Go and let God that's why we we took it off of that and we had gone that life and then I like the idea of let go and trust life hard to do part but it's not what what what he started. It's not I'll I'll give you my classic example. Maybe guys don't WanNa hear this too personal story but years and years ago I don't have any biological children. I adopted a child. My wife and I adopted a child <hes> when we were in our forties would've dumping to do she's like why don't we talk about this in our twenties thirties or could have done something about it but all of a sudden I got the urge the clock run out and I had to have a child so we <hes> went to foster good Catholic went to foster care and we thought okay we're good shape and got a good long relationship open house and jobs and have a kid by Tuesday and took a year and it wasn't because we weren't trying or looking but you can't. There's nothing you can do you just go to these agencies and they say well. We'll find you one. Just trust just trust years gone by a trust that was just awful. Just letting it happen yeah now we did find a wonderful child and and we and she's our daughter now. She's grown up and all these great things but that was an awful awful period of time for me to hear anybody. Did we get anything you know just just waiting for the universe or for God to to to produce this somebody in our life here or to produce a change or result Charlie coming in reverse. I'm bored. I got nothing to do. I mean that's just an awful period of time to just trust that. You're going to go out of it so true. It's so hard the weightiness the waiting is the difficult is the difficult thing especially. If you have nothing going on during the waiting period and then you feel like you've got to do something I gotta go somewhere. We start going to adoption fares. It was awful. These kids lined stuff like <hes> you know. Puppies and the playground are puppies <hes> pound and I thought Oh this isn't the way to do it. No g you gotta just trim painful. You've got to trust Oh my God trust. I realized how bad hi Emma trusting and just I want to take charge. I want to do something how about the five steps to fix my life here. Come on I'll give you five minutes such a great point because didn't like just give you the experience you needed. The unravel a little bit of that there was nothing you could do nothing I could do there was not a darn ding-dong thing I could do about it and it was frustrating. It was an awful and and I couldn't believe that that would produce anything it did. I don't know that I'd trust any more than the second I'd be like I got lucky Mallon funny figures like you thousand times. It doesn't get any easier ten thousand time. You know what I mean. Yeah I think you guys should do a show on that waiting waiting for good though the player in the guy never arrived watching the whole play and he never shows up oh yeah waiting for a very very puffy Sam very very eh very esoteric very out there versus in two guys in a room and they're waiting for this guy named Godot to show up in waiting waiting by tree tree or something whatever they're reading and they're waiting waiting to meanwhile they start these conversations and fights and all this stuff happens while they're waiting. We're waiting for Goodell. They're waiting for somebody who never arrives yeah yeah. I saw it south coast repertory. They call the waiting for Gadoe. Even though you know I've always say they they use waiting for Godot but <hes> but it it certainly is a conversation conversation piece and what can happen while you're waiting for something else to happen. I guess that's the point of the play. That would be good talk. I like that Paul Yeah waiting put to good title to waiting equal. You know that was that was the when I wrote this. <hes> this blog that's that's <hes> <hes> <hes> Baltimore becoming and I can't remember the the psychologist alleges that talked about boredom is is more we understand his more period of waiting than it is. A period of I never thought of it takes nine months to have a baby. Not much happens in that nine months. Just you're the belly it's bigger but not much yeah. I don't know if I tell a woman that I mean isn't a lot. You're just waiting here. There's nothing you really doing done something. Nothing nothing you can do yeah yeah. It's happening right and it's all unseen. You don't know what's going to come out you know and <hes> yeah I think waiting is not something we do. Well and I don't do it well. I don't think most people in our society do it. While we want. Instant answers instant solutions take charge every book all this self help books are to self help you to do something if I opened up the book and said just put this book down and wait throw it against the wall. I Want my money back. Here's the answer there is no answer. Just wait play of the divine master than Divine Feminine Right Divine Masks Missouri action-oriented divine bovine seven hundred receiving oriented. We spent so much time with the masks in very much time the minute yet balance happens between the two right. There's a time for action. There's a time for receiving in turn is really pointed out that that I had dream visitations visitations and more things of the divine feminine she said the fine feminists really talking to you and and and it really is a heart thing and it is it is <hes> what word do you use <hes> <hes> night invitation <hes> receiving that it is a time of it is a time of receiving and listening. My Dad taught me. You don't wait you get up in the morning. You put your suit on and you go yeah. That's American ethos yeah. You don't wait for anything you go. Get it but it's not like that around the world not that that's a bad thing either right like I mean again. There's a time for action and there's the time for receiving it like it's just knowing how to balance the two I had no balance for receiving I certainly had no balance for patients for waiting for that period of time for some child to appear on the horizon. I magically like a rabbit out of a PAT here. Well Terron it is it is always such a pleasure. When are you going to be in town? I speaking of waiting waiting for two weeks for some kind of insight right clarity inspiration to get the hell out of Seattle. It hasn't arrived not here today. Maybe it'll be here tomorrow Joe in the mailbox. It's in there right now. My wife is dying to see you as well so oh I I know on my on my on my desire list to come down to southern California in and see you and Pam in all my peeps so and waiting for inspiration on exactly how that unfolds speaking of waiting whatever in the show when you come here Erin doing episode with her for that is that would be fun. I'd like you to probably be fun. Do do a live one here. Okay my friend. Thank you for letting US chat. I really enjoyed it good holidays as and I'm just going to go home and sit on the couch and wait for the answer here all right okay take care bye bye love you call you the grill master after you've heard the thickest porterhouse in the butcher shop and as you lift that first foal to your mouth you savor the moment to get amazing offers during the Mercedes Benz summer event like the two thousand Nineteen C Class Sedan G._N._C. S._U._V. The perfect recipes of driving in performance plus. You can enjoy six months of Sirius X._M.. 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Episode 55  Taryn

No End In Sight

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Episode 55 Taryn

"I'm Brian Bettas and this is no and insight a podcast about life with chronic illness. First off here's another quick reminder that I have a Patriot campaign now our which is a really simple way for listeners to support the show financially on a monthly basis. So if you've been enjoying the show and you also have a couple of bucks despair then then I'd be so so grateful if you'd sign up as a patron at patriotic dot com slash. No end in sight this week. I'm talking to Taryn Gilligan. About a whole lot of things but particularly about traumatic brain injuries lime disease allergies. PTSD and finding a lump in your breast. I also have a couple of content notes before we get to the interview so I this interview basically begins with a head injury and this story definitely sat me into precinct copy which you will find out pretty quickly if you listen to everything but if you are extremely squeamish like I am and I think we we know who we are. Then I'd recommend jumping forward almost a full nine minutes after you hear Taryn say women. Soccer is brutal like really. No exaggeration. admirations nine minutes. And I'm going to give you a super simple takeaway for squeamish folks Sorry for the spoiler gas but terron got a major concussion while playing playing soccer and had difficulty forming new memories and then she had a second soccer related head injury right at the end of the nine minutes that I'm telling you to skip so that's the big picture and if you're mildly squeamish than I just get ready to hit the skip button a few times beginning at the same point so beginning when she says women's soccer or is brutal. I listen to stuff that way sometimes. Just ready to skip any moment that I think is GonNa Freak me out but still wanting to hear it the the big details. So that's another option. Anyway Darren also talks about her experience with an eating disorder and the story is a little bit harder to just extricate the way that I did with the head injury but if it's something that you'd like like to skip then you should be able to do that by jumping ahead a bit as well as soon as she mentions it while she's in college so it comes up after she gets to college and I and it's it's pretty self contained so this part of the story does not have as much detail as a head injury. If details are something that are what you prefer to avoid it and if you have any feedback for me about content notes I would be so happy to hear them because everybody is sensitive to different things and I realized that therefore we start. Here's my disclaimer. This podcast is not intended as a substitute for professional medical advice. Diagnosis or treatment. Make sure you talk to your doctor doctor about any questions or symptoms So I like to start by asking people. How is your health as a kid? Ed I in retrospect having gone through all that I've gone through. I am very grateful to say that I feel like for the most part I had quite quite and I'd be like piled hood especially with my health I was pretty just like healthy. Hardy Kid I played a lot of sport and I. I was out and about constantly. Just very active I. My whole family has a bunch of environmental and like seasonal allergies. So that definitely something that I dealt with but typically only like one or two weeks may or something like that The other exactly the other thing that I kind of dealt with that. It was just kind of a quirky thing that happened is I would get strapped like up upwards the seven times a year like just any any type of cold that that took too long just turned into strap or like anything just like turn into strap while take a lot of antibiotics for that. Yeah Yeah I whatever. The bubble gum medicine was like amoxicillin or something like that. Okay constantly talk yeah and then I also also. My parents used to joke that anytime. Go over like a major hill or anything like that in the car. I might use a popular get an ear infection so those were the two things that just they were quirky about me. But it didn't. I didn't feel like it was like when I think back my childhood. They weren't things that like totally took a ton of my time or like. I don't know I didn't don't really think about them too much. Yeah I mean ultimately ended up when I was fourteen or fifteen. Got My tonsils removed but that was more so because it got in the way of Like some hobbies that I had and I was like you know I'm so tired of this. Let's just take him out so all the time time like I'm kind of just over it. So we ended up getting him out and made a huge difference which is great but other than that. No I mean childhood why why is especially like before I became a preteen now I feel like overall like it was a pretty great experience. Thank goodness had those memories like like back on now and so it sounds like things started to change. So what was that like. Yeah so middle school Again I was pretty normal. The only thing is shot. Like my menstrual cycle. Okay I got my period very in early at least for my I feel like all my friend group and stuff like that. I was ten. I just turned ten and That was fine but until I hit around maybe like thirteen thought it started getting very heavy and I was having cramps that were so painful about like I would get get sick or I just like couldn't get out of bed and I also would gain and lose like fifteen pounds like every two weeks. Okay and different pairs of pants. Yeah exactly Yup Yup kind of like working with my after ovulation in rural as the I would just like all the way up and and I had two pairs of pants over that being in middle school like a tough thing because as much as I feel like other people probably didn't notice I certainly noticed noticed and I also like with getting period early. I was already basically what I what I look like now like when I was thirteen years old though Meteo is just so yeah I was also a giant. I feel like in comparison. 'cause I grew so quickly but Yeah I think that was tricky for me but I went the Obgyn going on with my mom because like it was getting in. I had too many absences because of it and like you know you're pretty young but it kind of sounds like pm amd though at the time they're like we're going to put you on your house. which I think is around anymore? I think there's a lot of issues with ASD. I just remember. They were in every magazine for a while. They had a really aggressive advertising campaign for a short. I think it was the reason I did. That is because it's one of at the time was that's one of the only birth controls dot had diuretic properties in it so it kind of helped level out all the water retention than I regain every two weeks which which was really nice and so I ended up being on that and then it turned into Biaz because again I think that there was some like legal issues with like blood clots or something like that? They had to change it but I was not for about eight years and during that time I feel like I was pretty pretty solid with my symptoms. Held up at pain pain and weight regulation where the big things right for sure and like I was at my cycle like every first of the month it was super easy Luckily I mean one good thing about my cycle regardless like a beyond birth control it was always consistent insistent and this was a lot. Yeah so other than that. It was pretty much so that wasn't an issue for me for a while But then kind of going chronologically Then I got into high school and an important thing to know is I like I said it was very active in into sports all my life. I I played soccer like ever since I could walk. I played premier. I play like a local town levels and for school and everything everything like that and I played your round traveling around and it was just like a huge part of my identity by love to do and so I was is on my high school soccer team and I was goalie And I was yeah I think I. It's funny because I you had written about this fire and I think it was like September twenty first thousand seven It was an early game in in the season and we were away and so what's tricky about this is i. Don't remember like about two years of my life so all all of their say. It's the ads like I'm like an unreliable narrator technically like in my own story but these are all they feel like my memory which is such a weird thing to say other so vivid. But I think that's because I've adopted on my own I think bits and pieces. I do actually have the memories but most of it I think is a Moshe. I remember the emotion of a moment and then create kind of more of the visuals and the experience like in my mind if that makes any sense really does because yeah. Yeah memory's unreliable anyway with. It wasn't the same but like yeah that but more exactly so where I go from here. In terms of from the smelt man in September. Two thousand seven up until Powell be like the end of my sophomore year of high school. These aren't technically really my memory. kind of sharing like what. I don't know the story of my life. I guess what happened to the best of your knowledge. Yeah exactly so so with that being said I. We're in an away game. I was in goal Apparently a girl kicks the ball to another girl. Okay she kicked it. It didn't go as far into the boxes that she expected it to And so I go down to pick it up. I kind of like with both hands on the ball like pushing it towards my chest. I'm kind of crunch hunch. Down on the ground a little bit this girl these that it's in my hands and female soccer. I feel like we always assume that like men's sports are more aggressive but like women's soccer is brutal like brutal and so Jerry Jerry sees it in my hands. She knows that I have already. And she goes and she slide tackles me but her cle- catches my left left temple. Yeah so that's why I'm like. This could be a little bit. Yeah and this is one hundred percent where I get a little bit squeamish to say at all. And if you'd in writing my own absurd squeamishness Mercer like no worries the she apparently hits my my left hand bowl. I will also note that a detail that was given to me is that she was wearing. It was found that she was wearing metal cleats but like the spike. You're not allowed to did you that in highschool soccer wearing their rubber or plastic awesome. Yeah whatever that is definitely not medal and so a metal like the my temple and it ended up shifting my front when you think of like your skull like your forehead like that to the right alike couple millimeters a nine. I ended up weighing backwards from the fourth of it in falling back on the back of my skull and apparently could hear it from the sidelines. Like how like hard. I hit the ground and Apparently I kind of just lied there. Maybe like thirty seconds and I think people are starting to move towards me because they're like but then I popped up it's like oh over here and When I did fall down we'll note this? Probably forget that impact of of it though. It shifted my front plate when she initially hit me and when I hit the ground it caved in the back of my school. A little bit. Okay so this whole thing. Like there's there's major impact the my like Ed and so I- pop up and I'm like okay and I looked as if I was heavily abbreviated swaying from side to side like walking off the field and they the pricing we had a trainer because most of the time like high school games did not but the came to kind of do the cognitive basic tests. That I guess you'd have concussions and stuff like that. And he's like waving his hands in front of my face and Hugh slay you. Are you do you. Data's happen to you and I just I didn't and I don't know anyone around me. I just felt like like I remember. I don't remember hearing that I was like kind of panicked about it because I was just like everything. The thing is wrong and I don't know who I am and what's going on so he's like it. Sounds like she has a concussion. For sure you should take. My mom was luckily there our He's like you should take the hospital to get a Saas. Just make sure she's alright. I guess on the car ride home. I call my boyfriend at the time and explained what was going on and then I got off the call. Mom's like what did he have to say and I didn't know who she was talking about. I didn't know that I bet on the phone what had happened. Yeah so I was able to converse but like nothing that was coming in with sticking at all I was just apparently just kept asking her what was going on in like just the same questions. Shin's over and over and over again so I one hundred percent have to change position just hear good. I'm going to do that okay. Hang on no. You're good. I know sorry. This is the one other episode that I've had trouble with his actually another head injury one. Oh so they're so wrong. Yeah totally and and I don't mean it like I want these stories just as much but I'm like Oh this is my personal like Russia. Okay okay so you got off the phone. And you didn't know would he had said to you. I didn't know what he had said. I didn't even really know who she was talking about. and so she ended up taking me home quickly. Kalihi to kind of put me in the shower or the bath or something they thought 'cause I'd like Rossi Ins and everything all over me and but my pajamas and rush me to the hospital and apparently when we were there they did the same cognitive tests. Were they make you balance on one foot or like can your eyes track like the finger and stuff like that and I had passed and They're like okay can cause I don't know like yeah it can. Maybe she has a Hematoma but like she doesn't really seem like that because she's able to pass everything like just have her go home. Go to bed wake up every couple hours. Make sure she doesn't go. Coma chose and like extended concussion protocol. It sounds like exactly did they run any other protests or was it just the leg verbal from what I understand it was just like can you walk. They had me like the tile on the floor behind me like Oh can you walk Greenwich Street Line. And I'm sure it wasn't like great but probably like tosh old was yeah. Yeah for them to be like that's okay And it really. It was a cognitive test. Like Mentioned later that like have screwed me so much. I guess because like it's such a terrible indicator indicator of how well you're doing like at any given time because they told me they told my mom that like basically give it a week She can go to school but like no contact sport but in a week cover go to her primary care and will do the. They'll do the same cognitive tasks over Ghannoushi gotten if she passes that you can go back to sports and living her normal. Lay everything the same look as it. Just like contextual. Note here that I from my own experience like I fell off my bike while I was in high school and I had a minor concussion. as wearing a helmet him ahead and I lost my memory at the time and went to er but like I lost my memory for maybe be two hours. Yeah like it came back that day and just like perhaps that's what they were expecting and if the screening test or whatever was going non can't tell the difference between that and what what your experience was like. That's a issue. Yeah so I woke up the next stay. Apparently I was like relatively fine. I didn't really like no too much of what had happened. But I definitely felt bumped in Bruce and uncomfortable. I remember for having my mom again but like I had migraines quite a bit entire week. Very light sensitive and noise away sensitive and she took me back a week later and she did the cognitive test and I passed Like super easy but you remember right and my I was making memory so after that it was just the day that I didn't remember at the time a parent and then I was able to create memories memories. Keep keep them which now I don't have them but like at the time holds the recall. Yeah and even though my mom mentioned like Oh she saw his migraine. She's like that's all right subside over time So I went back to soccer. They didn't let me in goal because they figured too much potential contact But they the house in defense instead and my mom wasn't there for this so she doesn't really have as many details but from what my friends had told me in teammates at the time It was like the second quarter of the game again and a a ball was coming They must have done like A. The goalie. Must have punted it across the field and coming like overhead and hunters are a big thing in soccer. So I went to go had the ball. Apparently apparently there was a girl behind me And she climbed my shoulders pushing her hands on my shoulders and she went ahead of the ball at the same time. I'm so sorry for you. Know I know I know. and She Slams her like her forehead head into the back of my head where he's got already. Hey recently injured right where we should have gotten crushed in link open before and so I basically just flat flat out like deadweight on the ground and that was kind of it and I don't really remember what they did. I obviously must have gotten up. I must've like gotten off the I. I don't remember I don't know when does and that was just kind of it to the Tanu the hospital this time. I don't think so. Okay 'cause my mom doesn't remember doing that But it was after that that like. That's when apparently I made memories but for sure like everything was like pretty much gone and that's when things got way way worse for me I'd also always been like an AB students. I loved learning. School is very easy for me after after that Migraines were amassed Math particularly for some reason like in class. I'd be like okay like I got this April speak we'll see Got It and I and then all of a sudden i. I just couldn't do it. It would go in. And that was it and I I just couldn't retain it and so I couldn't pass the math test to save my life and it was frustrating for teachers. Because I'd be like I just dog. You do it correctly why I do not dude on a test and I'm like I literally don't know nothing is sticking nothing is sticking somehow though I was also also during this time I didn't have so I didn't have up until maybe a year year and a half ago the language for what I was experiencing anything I always used to call it like. I'm having that feeling but I didn't know how else to say and my family just new over time but And I had obviously the blinding. Migraines were terrible but what was even worse is what now I was going to call it. What it is which is I- dissociated I was like an almost a constant state of association or I went in and out of it like basically like every other hour and it felt like honestly like every single day that I was dying Like I just thought I was going to die all the time like for someone who hasn't dissociated needed I it so difficult to try to explain what it feels like. But the only way that I would ever tell people who've like I'm not necessarily a religious person by any means and I don't really know what exactly I believe but it's like if our Spol- if you will is like being ripped from like your body and it's not like I could see myself like I didn't have that type of description but it just felt like I was like I always imagined duct to feel like your souls leaving your body body and like that's exactly what it felt like just the essence of who I was as a person just was not just being ripped from my physical body and I just never knew if I was always scared me because they never knew if I would ever go back to the ever. Just you'll normal though uh-huh times it would be just a minute or two that it would happen. It would feel like an eternity but what I learned recently as one of the reasons. I think that I don't remember outside. Of just the M Anisia from the concussions is that I think that I actually did dissociate for like a huge portion of that time and in hindsight I've learned that dissociation it's like one of the most unique and beautiful things that your body does is like a protection mechanism. It's almost like your body pulling a ripcord when things are too crazy or too much. It's just kind of protect itself. It's like okay. We're taking ourselves. The situation like sorry. And it's a lot on your body right now so we're gonNA just try to put a barrier. Yeah exactly but like of course. I didn't know that at at the time and so every single day I I remember. I was often triggered by The hallways at school in between classes with all the people moving around in the lights and the noise I would feel like there's all these people around me but I'm like I feel like I'm dying. I literally feel like I could die right now. Having to keep that in in to feel normal I'm all for to try to pretend to feel normal in front of all these people so they don't act normally right exactly like it was. It was so much at the time and I just didn't think because it was so hard to explain how feeling a lot of the time with all my different symptoms insight. I would tell especially people close me like my friends my my family and some of my friends but now it's hard because I realized so many years later didn't help people I just kept it all in which is I feel like so bad for my past self? That she felt felt like she had to to do that. Because also at the time I lost a ton of friends like over that two year period because they thought that I was faking it not that I was looking for attention. They just understand when I was like going through so weird the person they knew it was like fundament. Fundamentally gone like this wasn't there anymore I was Kinda like a Zombie like shell of the person I was before. Yeah Yeah Yeah So. I was very isolated and It was probably like two months in where I was struggling in school. I was in so much pain from constant migraines dissociating all the time that my parents need to be a sports worth medicine. Doctor who specializing concussions. Okay I think he himself was an orthopedist but he's somehow like also specialize in I don't know in concussions Russians and at the time they have what's now called impact testing. I think that it's an acronym I don't know what it stands for. I okay yeah I think kids now who play sports I believe in most states have to like have preliminary impact testing done. Go Navy like this happens or no before though like when you enter in link school sports believe I could be wrong that you have to take like preliminary monari testing so that they have a baseline on you do have an injury. They're able to like kind of figure out where in your brain like right exactly so they just started it so I there was nobody signed for me. They just basically like where I was at a time so I took the task like okay. Pretty bad pretty bad okay. All right And so I take that every single time I saw. Ah Them But they had a neuropsychologist a neuro. Ophthalmologist I was in physical therapy which was a little bit unique it because it was working on mostly like balance and stuff like that Anno leak had that stuff been or was it also impaired to you now like your movement right and stuff if now like at that time. Oh so like I couldn't like I couldn't stand on one foot for anything okay. I would often like bump into corners at school by accident or like you know when you're walking with somebody like Donna. Sidewalk almost always walk into you at some point or another Auber I think I did a pretty good job of keeping it together for the most part but I definitely struggled in terms of my balance especially. Yeah coping or finding work arounds but when it was actually tested it was like. Yeah Yeah Yeah I remember. My Mom told me they had you like the we video games a lot because they had like a lot of balance things like that and she's like you just couldn't even do it at all and I was like awesome. Yeah so essentially. Essentially with all the testing they had done like. Yeah you have a lot issues you know you're cognitively Your is your balance like all these different things and I had a fiber foreign school. which is kind of like I guess like a disability type document to Kinda give you accommodations? Or what have you said if does it do you know if it similarly I think. Individual Education plan is a baby. Maybe perhaps it's definitely for me at basically was my doctor is telling my teachers and principals Are Happy you that these are my limitations. This is what she's going through. These are basically like our recommendations of how to help her. During during this time and number it was everything from being able to record my classes which teachers refused to do so I could hear it and help myself remember or like play a box. I could kind of Retain those memories trying to like what else they had need you extra time on test. I know that they asked the math teachers to allow me to have the formulas not the answers but just like formulas the things on because they had the formula. I could do everything on my own for the most part like retain what the steps were almost but it's yeah it could execute them right so they wouldn't let me do that either a lot of the things I was supposed to have. They wouldn't give to me But basically I think it was like the things that they would do is if I was having a Migraine or dissociating in class like I could go to the nurse I had to go to school for half days for six months I had a tutor that came to my house. Basically teach me the stuff smith thing and Yeah reading and writing luckily like for the most part I I had no problem with Math classes at weren't based in any type of Mafra fine but not they just know that. Was it for me like once that what happened. It's never come back home for me. which luckily in my line of work now is fine but unfortunately like the way that you know the education system system work it just kind of? It's for the for all the way through all the way through at least and I think a lot of college programs to you at least have to. I do yeah. So high. School was pretty rough Yeah I wasn't a positive experience a about a year in to the posting of syndrome that I was actually diagnosed with from this specialist once once he saw me because at that point. Yeah I'd been two months and he was like yeah. It's considered posting Kosta Syndrome at this point and they did all the testing. They did everything that I don't really know now. Two year they they were dislike way. Don't science we don't know enough right now to help you to tell you like if this what might improve lever winner. They're like yeah. They're like we know that. Sometimes this can be permanent or people uh-huh and we but it's not in your case but it kind of seems like it might be I also remember that same appointment. They told me that I would never be able with the play soccer again or any contact sports because Vive risk of brain damage or dying. Was it's too great right of like any any of your enjoy her exacerbated or whatever yeah exactly and I remember that like that's a moment where like I feel emotionally. I have a memory but I don't like remember it clearly but like that was so painful to like like so weird. Call your later eater but like the here that I couldn't do something that I love so much Like ever gotten was so tough so l.. I had to figure out like who I was going to be. Now that I had to push different now so like I hate it. I really wish that after all these years it wasn't hard to talk about it. I think it's so normal for those feeling still I know just be real like they're valid in their grief and loss all mixed up in their exactly and I think that's been the hardest part. I think all of this over the years is grief already is complicated There's never a right or wrong way to to grieve someone else that you care about but no one tells you like. There's no information about like how you're supposed to grieve yourself you know and so I think that's one of the hardest thing over the years it's like I feel like in that day like dirt my concussion like I feel like I don't think I died that day and it's not like the person I was gone looks like the Ghost of Hers Bill Around And that's comforting also like it's hard to to to how that myself don't linger but this new person with reborn out of so much trauma in fear and pain and suffering and trying to learn to love. That person has been hard for sure to say the least. No No. Please don't apologize. I like what you're saying is definitely really resonating with me now from totally different circumstance stance one of the part that stands out like yeah the the specter of that person. It's like there is so much out there anything for kind of any health condition. There's so much out there that wants to try to convince us that if we just try hard enough we can get that person back and I think for me like that's part of what can make make it so hard like you said it's twelve years later and it's still fresh and one of the things that keeps it. That does that for me like Oh but maybe there's something I haven't thought of like just totally burying it and letting go and being like that person is definitely gone one hundred percent and I can feel these feelings like. That's it's really hard because there's a lot out there that wants wants us to keep that door open. I absolutely am. I think. Chew and again. Like in retrospect all these things and I feel like the past year I've learned so much I think I'm more emotional now. I used to be able to tell the story and not have any theories and I think that's because I just suppressed everything go down as a spike coping mechanism to deal with all the pain associated with it But this past year. It's had this resurgence. I have so many different answers in such a new spin on it. Like it's just come up and I'm just like I. It's in my face now. I can't like not deal with it so the to go back your after hearing like basically like. I'm sorry we don't really know I I actually you. You had like the twitter post talking about Like the being diagnosed with something like mental health related and said of physical whatever and what they basically told me. Is there like all we know that might help is if they give you an antidepressant it might help with your migraines but will make you probably Lestat if nothing else and my dad was with me at the time. And he's like you know. Do you WanNa take that like no like absolutely as like others. I was like you know how it's actually going to make me feel like A. Yeah like what to expect like we really don't to be honest I was like why would I ever or do that. I was like APPs. If you don't even know like what's going to happen to me like why would I ever do that. And so they're like that's all we can really do for you though like. That's a bit and I was like okay so moving into my sophomore year I I remember geometry a being mortifying so embarrassing. Like when they in school. When you get your your test back from the teachers and everyone like is like what did you get what you get that it? Yeah and she liked just hands like open other people tapers for them but she like folger's in half and like gives it to you and you're like more subtle okay cool and you look at it and you're like failed awesome so it was. How is terrible for me and again like just get the help? I needed and quickly after my sophomore year. And getting that kind of final diagnosis of like you have. But we don't have any more recommendations to how to help my school quickly was like okay. So that me insight. You don't need those accommodations anymore. So my junior year on. I didn't have any I don't believe so. At least I didn't have any accommodations accommodations. It was just me and my new concussed brain like on to figure out how to finish the rest of my high school career so I- ambitious Took on a bunch of AP courses or like the college level courses chew. Do I took so many of them because I was like you know what whatever like. I'M GONNA prove everybody wrong like it's going to be fine. Can't help math that. At least I can do these. Enquist like in humanities type courses and I worked really really hard and my grades were never incredible like I will get maybe as and BS as an English staff but like everything else is like these fees or definitely were in math but never like my ultimate like GPA. Coming out of high school certainly was not great and then worse college like g Sat's for this come around and I ended picking sat's and that was awful and mass based heavily MAC based Not to mention being there Erin staring at these tiny paragraphs like of like the functions. That are just so close together in. I'm like okay all righty and I remember looking into potential combinations were the. ATS At the time. They're like nope not for you and I was like okay. I took it the first time my sat score was so low. Likes whenever told my friends are like that's possible it was like yeah it is apparently I took it twice and it didn't change and I was like okay. Well I still want to go to college so I'm just GonNa Apply Anyway my guidance counselor. We're at the time was having a baby so I had another substitute one and remember her being like I had these schools this list of schools that I was applying to. And she's like are you sure you don't want to apply to like community colleges or like other things like that leaves like AOL back your ambition. Yeah she's like I. I just don't really see you pools. I don't think you know it's going to be possible for you and I was like okay. No and so I applied applied and I got denied so like a bunch of schools. And there's one school I really wanted to go to and I even went there and I talked to people and they're like restoring so inspirational and like we totally understand but unfortunately your math. Sat scores so low that we just can't and it's not because of you. It's it's because if we accept you than we're setting a precedent for like the rest of the incoming students that we'd have to like do that same thing too so no Yeah it is really hard at that as an explanation. I was like okay and I was also told about guidance counselor not to mention anywhere my applications about my traumatic brain injury or any of the adversity that I like had faced with it. She's like no one will ever accept you if they know that like. You're like basically like get disabled student. Okay I'll write about it. Yeah I didn't write about it and my stuff and so for all they knew I just had US incredibly credibly terribly low. Sat scores in some like mediocre like GPA. And here I am like Lemme into your school. Yeah so I ended up having to write a letter that was like hey sorry my brain's broken didn't tell you that the first time I hope you understand banned in some schools were like no bill But I did have a couple that were like okay. Sorry about that All right I know that I had one school like to this day. I'm just like They accepted me with the condition that I would have to take like special courses. I'd have to meet with like I'm trying to understand because there's one thing too there's an I had no problem with the disability label but they almost like Vilnai's did it in the way they worded it and not like I would. I wasn't an actual like accepted student. I was a special circumstance student. Otherwise wouldn't be in there but because I have my disability there being nice to let me in type thing mhm absolutely not like I don't want to spend like four years of my life feeling like grateful because you were Nice enough to let a disabled student Udon or what have you like school like. I'm not like it felt as though they were meeting a quota. Thanks and I just I don't WanNa be on that. So and it was about reasonable annable accommodations. It was about like making sure that you weren't abusing the system. Almost exactly what it was. Yeah so I was like okay a no so I ended up at a difference. Will I initially applied for like English and broadcast journalism and realize that The school that I got into that I liked the most was actually for architecture I'd always been good with like rafting and things like that. What and IDA my Dad's side of the family? Not My dad but the rest of his family were like architects and things like that and are like maybe. I'll just do that instead. And fortunately you. There's a lot of math involve. Yeah that's what my graduate degree is actually not a mass. It's true a lot of math though so I thought who experience I think about it now so I got in right great. I finished the rest of my senior year. Her I'm like I got into his school like actually go into like a real college. It's very exciting And I graduate high school that summer it's probably a month and a half before might You know the first day of college and I wake up one day and I have pain just all over my body like my ribs. My like just like the the little piece of tissue in your body that you don't even know exists on a daily we've aces just everything hurt in just getting up out of bed. Walking fell impossible and I had this low grade fever and I just like was like what is happening me and it just kept going on for like a week and I just I I just felt weak all the time. I was very tired and I was like. I can't do anything I went to the doctor. Initially thought it was lime disease. Because I'm I was I in Connecticut at the time. So that's a better Schmidt area exactly and so they're like oh it's lime disease and they tested me for it and they even had the prescription for Docks de filled And I get a phone call literally on my way home from the doctor's office interesting. Oh it came back negative and so she's like don't take the dog and I was like okay. So what's going on right so she didn't really know actually give it another week. And if you're still dealing with symptoms come back I was. I also like ballooned up like ten pounds of water retention and I was getting rashes on my like legs and feet and They just were like on a really. No I also was like getting this wet constantly and not just like you know when you get a fever. Avert the sweats. I mean like I would be drenched through my jeans like that amount of split and They're like we really just. I don't know what it is. Luckily my mom and I are like pretty intense when it comes to finding answers about things in slice lot efforts specialists and I saw like an chronology. I'm trying to think what else I saw I saw a gosh it can infectious disease doctor. I saw all different types of doctors. I was diagnosed with Hashi. Mona's his knees amass. Pc Alas really all of these suggest people are like this must be what it is and then got us thing would be well okay. So as testing isn't actually totally required. If you meet other AH yeah. Ms would be like an emory or a spinal tap. And then what else did you say Hashimoto right so that would be a thyroid levels right. Yeah and so. So how how. We're all of those tests coming back. Everything kind of all over the place. No so they would tell me that I had them and then they would test me and they're like oh well they're like sometimes that test become like a like a a negative like your blood. Your blood results are negative. But you still have have this disease for sovereignty convinced that I had these things and I was like. I don't think so low and so everything just came back negative and I was like I don't know what to do and no one really. Yeah and they're like okay I don't know and I was like. Oh okay awesome. It's DOPP when I was like I don't know who else to be the honest like I don't really know what other actors would be able to tell me about how I'm I'm feeling so my mom's like what we try seeing naturopathy like okay And so she's like I'm convinced that it is actually usually lime disease I'm like I'm I'm sure it is lime disease. And she's like unfortunately she's explaining the test. Asper lime are so archaic and they don't have like the most up to date strains of lime. They're testing things from like twenty years ago. That don't even like really really exists anymore. I also wasn't touched for any of the CO infections as well which was lime disease and she's like I wouldn't be surprised if you had at least one or two chill co-infections as well ruling sweating is like a high one of the ones for Bija etc.. Yeah exactly and so. She's she's like I can't prescribe anything because I'm a natural path that she's like there. Is this underworld of doctors. Who 'cause like in Connecticut? There's like such controversy controversy over Lime disease and I being medication for it if you don't have like an actual diagnosis that shows up on the standard blood tasks and and I had the allies in Western blots and wants already and then I got another workup. I guess there's like extra stuff that you can add on. If you pay red like out of pocket yeah really understand this stuff like part part of it a very small part. Just as the deflect as a like brief interlude Is that I like the typical tests are done by a lab Gore quest and one of the differences is that they ex lime tests. The Western blot looks at the pro like antibodies to individual individual proteins on the bacteria and so some of those proteins are lime specific and some of them aren't and so that's why there's weird combinations in the test results that are very confusing. And then there was briefly aligned vaccine so everybody who had had this vaccine would show antibodies to a few lime specific acidic proteins so some of the bands on the Western blot were excluded from lab core quest. Because of this vaccine. Because 'cause you'd get false positives with anyone who had had it but then the vaccine was taken off the market like very quickly. I think it was only available for like two years. Yeah because a lot of adverse reactions have been reported which may or may not have been valid but that doesn't matter but for some reason they never put those bands back into the testing. Even though most people haven't had the vaccine and so private testing which is like genetics is the US company. That does this. Yeah that's probably the one and so the biggest difference is that they're looking for her. I think it's to their to lime specific bands that you can test for that lab. Koren quest don't test for because of this vaccine thing that is irrelevant to most of the population right now anyway. That was just like a background piece for anybody listening that I now know about so so you had a new test. Patrick Pass so so I ended up. She gave me this underworld of these doctors. That could help me with the Anne. Soy found one In new haven even area and the thing is once you get to that point where these doctors are in network anymore or like. They're doing things that they're not supposed to. which I don't know how I feel about any of this? Now let me think about it but I had to pay all this out of pocket so it was incredibly expensive Oh Yeah it was. It was quite a bit of money to the testing to do the treatments. And everything else. this doctor also had had lyme disease crystal that chronic lyme so she. It's a big advocate of nothing happened to her But I did so. I know it's like bounces back and forth like I did start school so she taught these doctors trying to get employment. Was It's difficult. Though in the meantime I started school and it was very difficult because I was still in so much pain. I was still spout tired. Still so sweaty and To architecture school is as you know. grueling it is very difficult and he spent so much time in studio and staying up late working on your models and your projects and things like that. Yeah it's a I mean. Culture like it's very hazing in base culture from the very beginning. Yeah it was so brutal into to not be feeling to try to do that was not easy. Easy for sure and I'm also somebody who like if I'm not going to do things well My younger self specifically gets very very like petty about things and I'm just like you know like maybe I don't want to do it anyway So that didn't help things either but I in my first semester was was dr on and off I ended up. The testing came back. Negative for lyme but positive for but visa and Bijou number prasai correctly. And then I'M GONNA call it by. Its like Haman term but like Maiko something but it's like walking pneumonia I got. There's one of the other subset and valleys like little critters just like around. And and so they're like. I know that you've got a negative on this test as well for lion but were still really convinced that you like actually have lime disease somewhere in there As well and so they ended up putting me on six months of doxycycline and also met prawn which is an anti malarial medication. Then which is liquid it looks like literally like neon yellow. It's disgusting And they got to the map. Ron was for the visa and and Obviously doc the lime disease and it was an experience for sure to say the least I know that you've had like other line patients on here I'm so I'm sure you've heard like the talk about their experiences and things like that But Oh yeah I didn't know about that ahead of time Li- wasn't weren't so I would feel my normal like low salt and all my symptoms and then I start to have more energy and things would feel great. I'd be like Oh my gosh. I'm almost starting to feel normal again. Whatever that means and then all of a sudden and I'd be like I? This is worse than it was before I was like. Oh my gosh like literally can't even move my fingers. It was built painful Just don't even know how to describe it. It was just like everything my body just felt like. It wasn't working unfortunately at the end of the six months. They tested me again for things and it really wasn't working all that it really come from that. Six months is that I had a really messed up my stomach declining with them at all of drugs. Yeah Yeah I wasn't hospital twice for stomach leading up. I was just puking blood. What all the time? It was very painful And are like yeah. It's definitely from your attics. Will all matches their anthrax. That with anti-malarial medication or like just a whole all thing so Yeah I was still sitting there in class in China. Learn and sweating through my jeans and that was so embarrassing. Because you're like at that time. I didn't have a diagnosis. I know sis really or like one that we really knew for sure so I was like I don't want to just say like I and disease because that's something that people understand but like if I don't have it I don't WanNa be like Bram Liam does like lying so I was here literally sweating go hard in class and just hike sweetness anyone like I I just I don't know and also like you couldn't Mr classes because I think things have changed now from what I understand school. Or they're for the most part more lenient about absences but in my experiences you have three at the most that you can take and then like it starts to become a real problem even three like you're like really discouraged from light taking yeah And it's still a huge problem because it is people that I've spoken to and I see this on twitter all the time like I'm disabled. I've like asked for accommodations nations. It's very hard to get them. The biggest one that I need is and you were talking about this with high school to like. It would be great to be able to record things because I just can't go to class and for unreasoned like so. Many professors are just not interested in accommodating Matt and like finding other ways to make students get the other the information but yeah it's Elliot Got Rob Him so I was going to class. Probably when I shouldn't I sure would like how I was feeling most time and trying so hard to finish my homework and I projects than again with architecture it so like. You're very hands on. You have to like do so much. Shall I get there. And I also mentioned on my cottage. have so many things. I always joke that like. I'm a medical Murphy's Murphy's law but I also after the concussion About DOT summer afterward I ended up Several food allergies. Okay so that made not like peanuts tree nuts soy and then it ended up being more more later but that was difficult to begin with. But like that doesn't seem like much now and I think we're all like the rest of the stuff has gone on but between the lime disease going on and And also having food allergies The ended up moving me into older like soccer junior senior housing because in the freshman housing they didn't have any kitchen stop. There is like very just like the rooms that you live in basically which was difficult for me? The landed up. Put me in upperclassman housing so I could have access to food and things like that and which also helped me just in general like like feel a bit better and we will be like winning actually nutrients into my body but during that time as well so between the concussion between the food allergies between this probably lyme disease we don't quite know yet and like other co-infections. I think that it had gotten to me mentally. I think it's snuck up on me that in like the pressure of school and everything and like wanting to do well especially because about like. I wasn't supposed to be there in the first place. Given how hard it was to get in And unfortunately I like I think January going into the second semester I had. It took me a while while I think in hindsight compared to like other people probably wasn't but I had developed an eating disorder order and I started to really restrict my food like quite a bit also exercise like pretty incessantly Louis like the time that I did have that wasn't classes and now I know that it's because I felt like I had no control over my body and that was like the one thing that I could good but at the time I don't really know that and so I was like thinking I was just getting fit and getting really healthy and at that time I'd also started a blog. Where right documented kind of my journey roo being really sick to ultimately have like fighting hopefully my ultimate unhappiness? Kinda like my tagline. And I little did I know I was like in the midst of an eating disorder and I was just punishing myself for things like I were way bigger than me and I had absolutely no control control over Sto- I luckily pretty quickly. I've been with my partner for for selling ten years this month but we obviously were together other during that time. And he saw me like withering away and like just acting like not quite myself and he recognized these behaviors and helped me kind of be what I I wasn't seeing and the realization that like I had an punishing myself in this way. It's not a great thing. Like self-awareness is amazing. But like when you're in such a dark place like that and you don't see what you're doing and then you realize like it's terrible like it's it's it's one of the worst feelings. I remember Before I decided not to get help from my college mental health center because they Torius Lee how do I word it. They now helpful and it also like it's kind of like a black mark on your record. That's what I would hear from everyone that like if you go like you do anything with your mental health with them like everyone's GonNa know about it. Everyone's is going to assume that like you know you're unwell and not you can't be trusted and you shouldn't be there and all that comes with the stigma like any mental health issues. The leg does a problem right exactly. And so I didn't want that and I remember having to call my parents and let them know that I had an eating disorder and that was one of the most difficult conversations that I had in saying like. It's okay like I'm going to try my best to like slowly incorporate me back in but when when I get home this summer like I really just want to see a therapist and like work through this like really really hard so like let me finish this semester. I'm not my boss. Obviously my partners here. He's going to watch over me and obviously if anything gets crazy. Earth like folks are if anything get Worse we will figure it out like I'm willing to come home if I need to Cuba I really WanNa work it out. In the interim I ended up getting another test for lime. I wish I had the name of it. But essentially essentially what. He ended up doing the same doctor. That had testing me before is instead of like the Elisa Western blot. This is more so taking your blood and I specifically your white blood cells and introducing them to the Lime Disease Aziz protein I think and seeing how many like rush to it I think the ideas like if your body has an immediate response to it. The assumption is that there is there Dendur mount a defense right exactly and apparently like there was an overwhelming response. Like my body was just like your like for sure. And so they were able to confirm that I did have lime disease and I did have abuse yet and I did. How the walking pneumonia for sure And so they put me on. There's a product. I wish I had the again. This is like so long ago now. But there's a protocol where you cycle re antibiotics. Have you heard about this. Okay Three antibiotics Because line goes through the way I describe the squiggly line and then squiggly line with a shell all and then that turns into a stiffed or like a circle like has like armor around itself. If you want to say that better I mean that one I know is definitely called the cystic Dick Phase because the idea is like it's a spiro key. So it's always a squiggly line it can go into like survival mode. This is not more technical. which is the cystic day is the other thing is the biofilm though okay. Yeah I think those are definitely like the three states that I have heard about or have heard about like required different kinds of attention and it's a survival mechanism at the bacterial right. Yeah so I was taking like one of the Mayans whether fear thrower throws forget and then I was thinking theft in and I was taking ten dissolve which people like when they hear that. Wouldn't doctors like to give my like what I've taken the past or like what is that and I'm like I know I don't even really know what it is. I think it's technically an antibiotic but acts differently but but I had to start with like the thorough. I took for like two weeks or so and then I add in Stockton and each time you bumped it up like it it sucks. I'll be honest like even worse than just the doxycycline because essentially yeah. It's killing off like against Isis not science but like the squiggly line gets killed off with a right but then lines like oh my gosh. We can't have that happen so a builds shell around itself and it's like we gotta protect ourselves thousand so often kills that one and then the thought processes like Oh that helps kill off the majority of them in your body and so then like another another month or so or six weeks later maybe they added in the ten dissolve which was to kill like the stick like you know when it turns into like basically just like a circle and I took two days of that and I broke out until like just body hives and I ended up having to go to the ER. And they're like Oh. I took Benadryl like on my way there because I the allergies. I have like a pharmacy in my purse and I was like. I'M NOT GONNA go into an epileptic over this. I swear I ended up taking Benadryl and it's still had them in there like 'cause they also didn't really know and I was up in Boston at this point so like amazing hospitals everywhere and they're like is this a an allergic reaction to the medicine perhaps is also potentially reaction to the how much die off you have in your body's also maybe but you shouldn't be taking medication just in case it's either of those things. Yeah and something's not working yes. I'm calling my doctor's like emergency emergency hotline and I was like help me like Palese. And he's like I'm sorry and he's like stop taking them immediately and he's like give your body like maybe two or three days off and then just start them a gun like slowly and see how you go so so. I know this sounds short but all of this fans over. Maybe about like two years time from like when I had gotten diagnosis insulin. Disease to me finishing with the three medication so it took me probably like six to eight months to even like get a pseudo diagnosis and then actually be on medication to ban actually taking getting actual diagnosis and taking the protocol that you're supposed to at at the time And me actually stopping medication. So I decided that I felt better get a week and I felt so much better off off of it which makes sense At like right after this reaction you mean. Yeah once I stop taking the pills I was like. Oh my gosh I feel so much better like I actually actually high energy again like I didn't have any body aches. That wasn't sweating and I was like I'm just GonNa give it a little bit more time and I'm going to see how it goes like I bet on Medication for like probably on and off for about a year And like nothing. I'm really come from it or nothing that they could measure really of improvement so I just kept like more time on Bino. Gosh I don't WanNa take it like I don't WanNa go back on it and part of me feels like that was a great decision but at the same time like I don't really I haven't had those symptoms really necessarily since. Yeah however however I will say I do. I think that I still have lime disease. I don't know all I know. Is that when I decide to become a mom one day. If I decide to do that I will be considered a higher risk risk pregnancy. Because it's apparently now congenital. Right which is also you mentioned like very briefly. You alluded to the controversy in Connecticut. which has it's become like controversy everywhere? And this is one of those things that I think is like caught up in the crosshairs of at all but is very young and scary and worth. Yeah Yeah Yeah and it's so hard because I feel lake. The reason I'm so torn about this entire liners as experiences because I almost feel like like I needed treatment. Your short I should have gotten the two weeks Likely when I thought that that was going on because because so much time had gone by and it had so much time to just popularly like in my body and make it a home I also have like no the cartilage in my my either of my knees like I. You know I have no idea where also living there's It's been said that it's probably in my neurological system like it's hard to say but I felt like I said I felt so much better once I wasn't taking it and I feel like the medication and a lot of ways almost almost did more harm to my body than good bright and I don't. It's hard because I don't blame the doctors. It's again iguanas things like they just didn't really know at the time. But for me to be like pooping blood for me to be just like constantly her saying thing for months and months and months and months and months at a time and like not getting any relief feeling any differently. I just the way that I think I rationalize in my head to stop is like this hasn't worked in. If it was going to work it would've worked by now and again. I'm not a doctor. Like who am I to stay and you know like maybe I'll regret regret it later but at the same time like nothing was coming from it and even the doctor said like yeah you should be improving by now. And I just like wasn't yeah on like even on the medication. Even with this probable explanation of why the medication everyone feels so much worse like supposed to come out of that trough. Y- yeah wasn't yeah and you're I feel like you're describing. Well there's more to it than that you're describing like a big part of the heart of the lime controversy is La Ah some doctors are just like this is ruining people's lives like the symptoms. So what you're talking about of like the pain and the swaggie Oregon everything and the neurological problems like people's lives are being ruined and there are people who want treatment no matter how difficult it is for the chance of a better quality of life life and then on the other side there people. Well there are people who are like there's no like possible chronic messed manifestation of lyme but the CDC you see does recognize post treatment lyme disease whatever this is a whole big thing or bang part of that side of is just like giving being people. This many antibiotics at like this intensely comes with his own risks. And so yeah. There are a lot of doctors who are just like until this. This is better studied like that just shouldn't be happening. The risks are too high and what I will say she was like I was like taking head doses. The probiotics too and my stomach was ill having like Terrible issues does while post Host treatment are active treatment. I- dizzy my naturopathy GONNA. She gave me some like herbs. Take I took them pretty religiously. I didn't feel like they were doing anything. Like I didn't even get any sense. Like no hurting. No nothing just I just felt like I was just paying money like a lot of money for really nothing at all. So the issue is like I said a lot of this was like out of pocket and Artemis feels like again like she literally. We had a list of like these doctors on a sheet like aren't recognized otherwise a lot of them are like pediatricians not related to like lyme disease themselves and and so i. It's important this needs to be studied like this is a big issue epidemic. Happening or short I believe people. I believe their symptoms. I believe her stories raise for the same time. I think that people take advantage of patients and I think that there are people that are just out to make money and I feel a lot of ways that happened to me and and I think that's another reason why like I'm done. I don't WanNa do this anymore because like I just feel like I'm being taken advantage of and I'm not getting the care that like really should be at this point. Yeah Yeah So. That's kind of why. Stop but yeah. I always feel like when I tell people I stopped and like. I don't want you to feel like you have to make that decision or that and building rising doctors go. There's so many incredible doctors out there but also like I know so many friends that I have now who are in the wellness base that still have product line that will be like infrared or like ozone and like all these things like. I don't have the money to do that like you know like I do well for myself but like those things are still expensive in like you have to be on on them like continuously in order to really see results in. It's just not practical for most people and especially American insurances aren't gonNA cover things like that so it's already a privileged to have like healthcare into to be able to afford the extra testing but or things like that. It's impossible for most people even for myself so I think at this point in my life like yeah it's like I don't know if I still have it but like luckily it's not such A. I don't know it doesn't like impede my life in such a negative way that did like I'm still tired like I said like my joints are still like a mass. I feel like when I'm stressed bum. Like a month or two later I'll get flare ups and rashes and I'm like is that you you live like I don't know Those hard to stay and from what I've been told doctors they wouldn't even be able to necessarily tell one way or the other because once you test positive. You always have like the antibodies that are that are going to show on the task Those hard for them to discern. What's an active infection? And what's like potentially a dormant infection. That's just like chilling. You know or like Oh kicked. It didn't faction it's like once you've had you will always test positive for Epstein Barr. Because like there's I mean there's different Iggy Janai whatever all those things but there's always evidence that you've had an infection yeah exactly. I don't think that I had but anymore. Because that's something that like though symptoms. Were obvious like very sweating in all of that was absolutely So like I feel like the thank. Goodness like that was kicked the walking pneumonia. Something has still shown up like when I get blood tests for different things. And they're like oh but that could just be from anything that was like no but I had that before and they're like no I don't know so but I guess that's something that people do get here and there from what I understand. Just I guess it's not necessarily just tick foreign but Fatigue is still an issue like that comes from a lot of things that he had like the traumatic brain injury. I still like a big issue. learn survey. What only X. are just from that and like them compounding on top of each other? It's just like it's tough to discern what is what bum And also the one thing that's unfortunate about line is if you have any weaknesses in your body like it goes in like lives there. It's like okay. Your brain is having a problem like we're GONNA make sure to go there specifically perfect. I love it So that surprisingly enough though I didn't feel like like Migraines or any symptoms like that seem to flare that much like during that time Which is nice? But now that there's years distance a like I think that there is unlike interaction that has happened And it's hard to tell it is. It's still hard to tell but yeah so I ended up. Finishing my freshman year of college is like I said I had that eating disorder. I went home. I like I talked to my my natural path of the Tacoma's well How I mentioned on twitter that I had a PCP The one that initially was like Oh we think you have lime told me not take doxycycline clean. I went to see her for a physical. And I'm telling you know she was. Ask Me like how my health wasn't explain the situation and she was Oh straight up told me about. I was crazy that I will ask. The she is in that context high. Don't know the right answer conversation. Yeah because like yeah when it's made with gas lighting. I do think that like the impression we get from. Doctors is that they think that we're Razi. And in the derogative give way frankly. Yeah exactly. It's complicated it is yeah. She told me that I was looking for attention attention that I was thinking it up. And she's like she was like yelling at me and she was like absolutely yelling at me admitted to having an eating disorder. Because she's like like he was a little bit of weight and I was like what I'm working on it and she's like eating disorders or for selfish people that just like Apple Narcisse and she's like you need to go ahead and do you. You need to like take antidepressants and you to go under. She told me she's like you need to go volunteer or do some charity work. Because you're too self absorbed that I was like and my partner was. Is there like doing the room. And he was just like Holy Shit and shot like absolutely in shock. Like what did I witness right now. And I'm like being like Oh like I knew that's obviously not what I was going to do but I was like okay. Like what do I say that like us but that is an attitude that I've gotten a couple doctors for sure about things and Anyway so yeah I go home. I basically natural path I saw a Dietitian Shen and I had a psychologist that I was working with as a team and I was like look like I'm totally open to whatever needs to happen like I understand. Then the would I describe to people to who might have familiarity with eating disorders. Whether personally or like anyone that they know the best way I can describe it is that there's a new nurse you're eating disorder thought and it's sometimes very difficult to kind of step rate them But it's not like a separate like a different personality or anything like that. It's just like I know how to describe it. It's just a negative presence. That like makes makes you believe things that aren't true and has you act in ways that like you otherwise wouldn't and so having already being like okay. I know that I have the fear and having to separate myself from that and be stupor. Cognizant of every single coming through my head was difficult but I was like. I don't care like like whatever we do like we need to do with actually believe me. I was a little bit difficult because I wanted to be active but finding a figuring out the best way to allow myself to still exercise without obviously like going overboard and doing it for the wrong reasons was difficult so for the first like few months I was increasing. Increase my calories ever so slowly which was hard mentally and emotionally but also physically and then we ended up with exercise just taking it out entirely for a little bit. I went to therapy like three times a week for the entire summer. Just like solely focused on entire summer like getting well and I felt like I was very lucky in the sense that over the course of several months that where I was at the start to where it was at at the end. It's almost as if it was a blip in the Matrix. Something that like actually hadn't happened. If that makes sense I was like back to my Like normal normal. I guess I hate using that word. homeostasis like mental place And it was like so weird to think that like I had had those laws. Those are behaviors like Garland. Doing it's such a strange like Being to look back on now but That was something that I had to work there. I think that maybe it was easier because I recognize. It's very quickly like why was doing it. And I was like a like as much as you know. I've lost control of my thoughts I know why and like let's reverse engineering engineering Back to the heart of it and like figure it out so it wasn't easy. Brush over at because it's like it's IT'S A. It's the symptom. Chew you a lot of the things that I was dealing with and it's important but because it was such a small amount of time like just for the sake of time like I'm GonNa keep going but I do you have all Yeah just because you mentioned also like you had developed all these allergies earlier so I would imagine food had become fraud already Freddie and I know in general like with chronic illness because people will recommend dietary interventions is absolutely true for lime like dietary interventions engines and figuring out how to exercise around. Your illness can like all of these things can already play such a big cognitive roll around like rulemaking. And if if I can just fall do this I'll get better like I mean on the one side. There's also word for some of that which is orthodoxy. Ah but like these things are really complicated and when you mentioned blogging about it specifically as part of it and kind of like looking to start a wellness blog there was there in like untangling that needed to happen around that stuff to Ya so initially when I started my blog is before I had the eating disorder. It was like pretty much right before but it. It was the intention of the whole reason I actually started was just the document like this. My experience this mystery illness until like recovery. Because I it didn't the anybody else going through what I was going through online. I felt incredibly isolated and lonely and it was so hard to explain to you. You know my classmates. I felt like never really actually built real friendships in college because I was just miserable all the time and they're like why is she likes so introverted and leg. Whatever like how to describe any of this and I'm feeling comfortable all the time Though online gave me of ways like an online platform just express myself and it it also led me the people who may not had gone through exactly what I'd gone through but new of people or had other chronic illnesses or things as well that could did Sympathize what I was going through so I felt less alone and then when I was going through the eating disorder I also talked about that pretty extensively. I found other people that that were recovering as well and like you said can be really tricky because especially when it comes to eating disorders. I feel like there's that's a typical balance of. How can we support each other? But also not feed each other's like eating disorder at the same time and I thought that there were times where I had to like block certain certain people or certain people because like they. It's not it's not their fault. I don't look at it like that. But they weren't triggering me but I felt like my content. What in how they chose to perceive it was like just help like adding to their immune disorder? And I was like I can't have this conversation isn't a healthy for either of us right right exactly exactly so It was a blessing and it was also like kind of hard to you. Navigate at times In terms of getting into the fitness space. It's really interesting because over the course of time. More and more people actually found me in the fitness industry. Like fitness professionals would find me like personal trainers like people that lifted and like the body and stuff like that. And they're like. Oh my gosh. You should do like fitness competitions and you should check out like lifting in stuff like that and so I actually started lifting and in a way like I I feel like that was a big part of my recovery because it helped me see my body and all that it could do during a time where I felt like I was just kind of a prisoner in my own body. I guess for lack of better term and so to see that I could like lift like three hundred pounds or like squad three hundred pounds like. Oh my gosh like I'm so strong. That's so cool. The matter how sick I am right now I'm able to do these things and that's amazing But Yeah people fitness base found me and I felt like when I was kind of coming out eating disorder. I never really knew how to feel about it because I felt better. But doing like fitness competitions because the restrictive luckily it's not something that triggered me back into an eating disorder. But I would say a for like anybody. I would never suggest that. It's a good good recommendation. Because it's not like no universe out say not no no no I I always like count my lucky stars when it comes to how I handle eating disorder recovery was for me and I say that like I wouldn't say I'm recovered. Well so it feels like I am but I think with unions orders. You always just like keep it in check like if you're in recovery like remission like it's not the same thing but like Alcoholism where it's like. You might be totally fine but for years and years and years but it's like you're still technically that like in that's like thank you. Yeah potentially like it's never like I haven't ever since then like it's never I've never even had like one eating disorder thought like since then which I I feel lucky but when I go through extreme amounts of stress. I'm always so scared. Something's GonNa snap in me and it's GonNa come back and be like hello but I haven't luckily At this point knock on wood But yeah so navigating not with with college interesting in this community like grew winker grill and people were in it for different reasons whether it be because it had lyme disease or like chronic illnesses or from the fitness community and they just thought it was inspirational inspirational to see somebody go through chronic conditions. into this more like you know into health and fitness. Or what have you and I think it just now. Such a different perspective on it but at the time is from two thousand eleven to all we have until two thousand in sixteen or seventeen that blogs and did youtube and like everything that it talks and everything like consistently in my story was so such a big part of who I was but then I was kind of limited with this identity of being a Finnish person which is never wanted to be with. You know I'd always. He's just started it because I wanted to connect with other people may be eared to just be like I had to place a talk about what is going through That's tricky but go back. I ended up transferring schools because architectures puff and I realized that like I just wasn't doing well with everything and With how I kind of ended up with eating disorders like maybe. It's not the best thing for me so I ended up transferring schools and majors and I ended up majoring English. which is something? I was always kind of wanted to do anyway. I did pretty well like the rest of college was relatively a great experience for me I go ahead at your your body so since you had gone off the about stuff it sounds like had been doing like your baseline data so maybe with flare up those flares were definitely smaller sure shorter at Sierra. Yeah Yeah I felt like I went through several years that I just didn't really feel like other than being just tired. But I felt like had had become like my mo at my way like like. I'm sleepy person. Like just kind of is what it is again like I would get Migraine here and there I would dissociate here and there but like yeah and I would feel when I got sick I would get the like you know like a standard like cold in the wintertime or something like that but like overall overall I felt like okay. This is what it's like to actually like how the college experience not a taken by like physical ailments that's great And so I ended up graduating and like I was in my senior year and I started applying to Grad school because they wanted to be a professor so bad. I wanted to teach English. Thought it was going to be AH teaching Eighteenth Century And my partner ended up deciding to refine MBA program. got a full ride which is is so awesome But hearing not people can't be in Grad school but more so than anything else I realized that I had to take the GRE. Yeah if I was GONNA lie and that does not and it was so frustrating. Because I had worked so hard over the years with academics and I finally felt so taking these English courses like A. I'm an intelligent person actually end. I love what I'm doing and I so badly. They love to learn to swallow. I WANNA be professor into teach other people things that I'm so passionate about. But Oh my gosh like I to take this stupid test and fuels. Oh sorry but like and feel so like unintelligent and not smart and be like I'm unworthy all over again and so I thought not dictate my decision and obviously i. It was easy for me like. Oh my partner's going to Grad School. People can't be at the same time and that's an excuse that they use ultimately it's because like absolutely terrified of going through about like traumatic experience again feeling like I wasn't smart when like I answered smart you know and so completely arbitrary. It's almost like Jerry. I almost exactly the same as the. Sat like yeah. Structurally and it doesn't matter it doesn't matter you're like so especially anything. Yeah especially going for English like math. Really like wouldn't be a factor in anything that I was doing anyways in Grad school though it was like the frustrating but I could imagine be similar to these other schools that are like that. I was applying English for Undergrad. Where like you know? We just can't expect to you because we have to accept everybody with a bad we about minimum hours camp broken exactly and so I was like okay. Well I got I'm not going to Grad School During that time I realized my my School does was called Cola which is paid internships. That are six months long and you work because a full time employee at these places and I ended up working at an architecture firm as a marketing assistant and I was able to combine like designed signed background in architecture and my writing on English and found that I was really good at it and then also obviously like I was blogging and doing social media at the time to as I come back actually Ashley really good at marketing and able to really help them and so coming out of it. Everyone's like ocean worker marketing firm and I was like I really just want to do that. But I- acquired like big community that I had and they were all asked me like a will keep personal trainer just make more content and stuff like that and I was like if I don't work for myself or do something kooky like this like when will I so like I guess I'm just GonNa jump right in and try to see how this goes once he's finished like I'll go back to Grad school though. That's what I ended up doing. I became a personal trainer. I got certified and everything and did that but I realized like I didn't ever want to be like any of this. I was just doing it to Kinda give back actively supported me for all this time and navy's once it did it did when I think about it but at the same time I realized that like it was just this big coping mechanism and like I felt like I didn't have an identity outside of being sick and people like me on this person. It's like they almost built this personality for me and at the time like felt good that people liked it and not you know it gave me a sense of purpose and not. I was speeding at something and I was able to inspire people But I think that I got so lost in and actually like wasn't who I was as a person and so like I was in private successful and like so much good came out of it and it was so cool a lot lasted and it's something I could have. You Know Donald by like a big influence or you could have had that whole life it but I just knew like in the back of my mind like I don't WanNa do this with my life and you know I realize the more and more like people don't care about my story so much they just wanted to know like how I got my body to look this way or whatever and it just goes against everything you know like not why started this weekend within two thousand in seventeen I had been working for myself obviously for a bit at this point and I just randomly. It's like one day started getting like NFL access. Okay random way like I would working from home like I just have like my breakfast lunch and dinner and my partner. uh-huh home like around dinnertime in like I just would randomly like all my safe in again. The eighth such an allergen friendly like diet. Oh the only thing that was added did so during the line treatment gluten absolutely no like my stomach could not legally anymore. Dairy was always like finicky you but I could eat dairy but at this point in two thousand seventeen I was completely nut. Free Gluten Free Free dairy free a lot of other things too like I just. I just mostly potatoes and like protein and unlinked Brussels and things like that like Ciller unfortunately but Paleo Diet with basic pal like mostly mostly Paleo or Mesa. Yeah so with that. I was like what could even be like at this point what the other allergens could possibly be in here like what is happening and yet no matter. I kept like from when I was going to allergies allergies. I remember they had us had to the elimination diet or whatever and I was like okay. So let's just do the elimination diet. Like see what it is and I just couldn't figure it out how can figure it out. I was just like having no matter what and I was like. Oh my gosh it was. It was absolutely terrifying some home alone And I think that like I never really realized just how much and this is where it starts to crack and it starts the I think the lady started to break for me is like between the concussion between the lime disease between everything like I had hit my threshold and had suppressed doll though deep down just a function of everyday everyday basis. That like something that already so scary to me Because like when I I don't know allergies like it's scary like having antibiotics is absolutely terrifying and I was very good about like never come in contact with things so it's never really an issue like I might be pens but like very good about it and to have this this when I'm eating foods I think mentally I was just like I'm done nothing like nothing. I don't feel safe. I don't feel safe in my audience. I don't feel safe in my everyday life. I just can't function I just can't do it. And so I started having panic attacks like every day like all the time like it felt like my tongue. Hong the swelling constantly and I was just like I couldn't even leave my house. I was just a mess like I just felt like all I did when my partner was at home. It's just cry like I didn't know what I was doing Oh just call my mom on the phone and I would just like crying like mom. I don't know what to do. And she's like it's going to be okay and so I was like I need to see a therapist. It's you know like I need to see a therapist. Inside ended up finding one and it helped quite a bit. I saw her for probably like a year and a half but during that time like unfortunately like I'm happy and appreciative for her but at the same same time and this happens I think for a lot of us I don't think that we think about how traumatic having you know product conditions or Ellis's. Or what have you or any thing like that. Like it's not only physically traumatizing but mentally and emotionally like it can be debilitating especially over time and and for me like she dog and dog and dog dock and Doug and Kinda like opened it all up which which is amazing. Because I was like. Oh my gosh like here's all the stuff that's been underneath you know but unfortunately she's not like has no oh trauma specialization or anything like that. So it's like she brought it all up and then didn't know how to help me sift through it that oh no for the past last couple years Leg I have so many revelations in Anderson so much now in Lake. There's so much more compassion for myself but at the same time like it's just absolutely Absolute in front of my face luckily during that time as well we did allergy testing in stuff like that and it was like a black pepper. Allergy Ho. Yeah which yeah would be really hard to find because it's stuff because we think of it as salt. Yeah Right. Oh that's exactly why wasn't able like like with my illumination. Dr Figure it out because I'm like oh just pepper on everything and yeah no absolutely so and potentially also creeps to which would be in wine. But I don't remember forever having an issue like after having like that so yeah so we're having said unfortunately Mayan Diet has taken me Two I I'm still doing it It's taken such a long time because as much as she helps me. She got to a point where she choose like How'd you too? She said she brought up the PTSD PTSD. I don't own my official diagnosis if it is the PTSD. Mom and I have severe panic. Disorder goral folk death which deals intermittent for me. It's like my phobia doesn't necessarily exist constantly but something that like. I get very agoraphobia. When I'm like overwhelmed wealth which is fortunate but with that like she she explained it to me? She's like it's one thing with my patients who have like irrational fears or they have trauma in their childhood who can help them work through it because her safe now and I always felt really guilty with a diagnosis of any whether it be. CPS CSCAP TSE. Unlike you know you will go to war and see so much tragedy and like an death in pain you know. There's people that get like abducted or like sex straffic and you're like all these different things are natural disasters war zones and like. I'm just sick like like I'm just like not well like why do I. You know I felt so guilty without dot and she was. She wanted it to me and she's like you're a victim of your own like wars all like you know like in your in your own battleground every single day. Twenty four seven like expired like constantly. You're constantly end your biggest jerk and you're facing it all the time she's like you don't have safety because like you just live here in like your product of your circumstances. And she's like I'm really sorry and because she's trying to think of like what exposure therapy she could do or stuff like that and she's like I can't really do like it. Just would be kind of unsafe especially with your allergies right now like I wanted to help you work through it but those are real life threats or you'll you know like national right and she's like I don't really know how to help you anymore and obviously we can teach you like but a tation and breathing exercises in grounding exercises and things like that but otherwise like I don't really know what to deal and so okay that's fine like whatever and so she also like you've gotten to a point to lake where I feel like you're doing well enough on your own but like obviously he's come back anytime but I feel like you've kind of like graduated from like at least tape therapy for now. Okay and I did. I feel like I did really well for a while but it has been incredibly frustrating with with the food situation. My partner gets absolutely irritating. Place people to go out to restaurants. I feel like soy is the hardest because it's literally in everything package foods. They always cook with it in restaurants like it's just like impossible and so I don't go out to eat to restaurants I can't bring my food to most restaurants the at least because they say like You know the health code laws and things like that and so I just kind of eat at home and I will go with friends and just you know then. Didn't hang out but comfortable. It makes them feel comfortable. And so it's it's kind of again like everything has just been pretty isolating and I used to have this social presence and none during that time like I started taking the you know more and more time off of line because I felt like I couldn't show up and I've always been in such a big advocate of transparency and honesty and vulnerability but I'm like how do I even talk about any of this. You know like I might have mentioned my concussion. I might have mentioned engined lime disease but only in like framing it in a way. That's like I've overcome these cycling in the past I I dealt with it but like the the sit there and be like I still have these issues and they're still like a huge part of me and like I'm not better like I might feel better now than I did but like I'm not better like how do I. How can it be inspirational but people people? I'm so sorry Ho no please do not be sorry. It's there's like a huge pressure put on people. This is one of the things that I get so fired up about. There is a huge pressure. Put on anyone who's experienced onus to only tell that story the as if it's in the past like even one of the things that makes me really mad is when I read books that are written by people with chronic illness for people with chronic illness and they're framed. I'd like I've figured out how to kill like self help guides about healing and there will be these moments whether like. I'm doing great now. I'm healed field and then there will be little sentences that are like even when I'm in a flare. I still feel better and you're like you're not healed. You're misrepresenting your entire situation and it puts his unreasonable pressure on everybody else to try and do the same. And I think like in this case. It's coming from the publishers but like everybody is maintaining. Meaning this whole fucking thing that it's in the past and it's just not. My anger is one hundred percent not so. This is the thing that we're stuck in. Yeah I felt like I could only be inspirational if I came at from I was an underdog or an over comer and like you know it's something that like I had a mountain. I'd like cross or something like that and here I am like I'm vulnerable again like I don't feel safe eighth and my own party and mcadoo explained the people that don't know like I just every single day. I'm scared of my body. I don't know what's going to happen and still i. I kind of was like of course like I feel like new. AGEISM has kind of emerged in the lab attraction and like all this stuff and I was like. I don't know maybe it'll help I don't know and so I get into it and and then I'm like like like attracts like an if you have low vibes that you're going to have blow by ample by like I can't like some days I just can't like I wanNA think I'm so grateful and like I am so grateful because I've learned so much and I wouldn't be here like it worked for these things but like this shit talk doc in stocks and like it's hard for me to sit here and be like I like this purer like light of love and like no Shikin sucks. Sometimes it's it's so guilty because I feel bad and then then spirals and then you're like I'm just never going to be better right because like I can't be high by like I'm just not allowed to Or they make you feel like what do they say like. You basically are responsible for what happens to you in like unlike okay so you in past life you. How'd you signed this Blake into you know what I'm saying like they're like past life? You decided this path for yourself and I'm like okay you chose you chose for your car and I'm like Oh okay. Great and try to be grateful experience experience and I'm just like his heart hurt so bad like and I wanna I wanna feel positive but like if hard every day getting like it almost feels like you're in his riptide you're constantly being pulled underneath. Can't bring it in like sometimes. You're like okay I can get out but let me just another wave comes. They're just like it's so hard In this community can tell you. It's yeah exactly and you know L. Like I was writing captions that and it's funny because I felt like my my subconscious was. It seemed like I was like just like wise birth studying these things but really a subconscious like talking to my conscious out like this is what you need to know what to do so like breeding them. Now I'm like Oh my Gosh But then I just wasn't until like I literally haven't posted on Youtube and three years and I haven't posted on instagram in a year. And that's I never would have thought that like if you'd asked asked me like a couple of years ago how things I never would have. It got so overwhelming that I felt like I couldn't show up authentically and I didn't have the words and unfortunately urgently in March of twenty eighteen too so like I had in two thousand seventeen the allergies and I felt like okay. We're in the clear like I'm feeling better therapy. Syrupy was like working march of two thousand eighteen. I am doing a soft brush chat because my family has history of breast cancer. My mom would always instilled in me since I was a kid. And I'm like just you know feeling around. And it's not even like a normal behind. You like the circular motions or whatever that I must have just felt it the right way and I feel this lump in my laugh breath and I'm just like and I'm like don't worry about it could be this. It could just be like Dense breast tissue like lettuce cycle. Go by and like you're still dealing with something. Whatever oh important note I got on birth control a During like after I stopped blind disease medication because I was like I just WanNa be myself or wants the guys want nothing to impede like. I just WANNA be meat. So how does the most important to note and though with that a month goes by and I still have this lump in my breast in so so I go and says when appointment with the OBGYN really. Oh you're so young because like twenty five and like it's totally fine like you live such healthy lifestyle. We'll have you go in for like An ultrasound just to double check and so I go into like one of the hospitals and they do The ultrasound and the doctor's like thinking like Oh you got this this and then she gets in there and she's like I see your face and I'm like okay. She's like it's a Hypo Cullwick. We finally without the end like it means that like the the waves can't pass through easily so it's a mass and I was like what she's like it's a man and I was like. Oh and she's like yes but that doesn't necessarily mean cancer and I was like but it could. She's like it could if you're healthy when you're young and I was like okay. Okay all right. And she's like it's all right So because of your age and your you know your health It was about the size chief reference and She's like we're GonNa do the weight and speed and the every six months for the next two years we're going to have you come in we're going to measure it. We're GONNA speech like trump every single day. Check it like if it feels different. It feels bigger anything. Different like these come in She explained that like any time. I could always often for a biopsy with a very confident. This should be totally no problem. I'm used to having conditions in issues that you know. I have symptoms clearly debilitating ones but but they're not tangible things but I can feel I felt fine except I had a cheeky size lump. That was in my. They left breast kid. That was always there to remind me that it was a potential ticking time bomb in my and you've been asked talk to pay attention to it every day yet as I've tried to forget and tall your next appointment. It's like fixated on this every single day I just think about if it's changing and obsess about it the So I was like okay and I I felt like I can do this like no big deal deal and then I was like I can't got it like it just got too much mentally for being a house like this is very difficult than it. Sometimes it feels like it was bigger sometimes and then sometimes hundred feel like it's shrunk and I call them like how am I supposed to know. And they're like A. I ended up coming into the six months October this time last year and They're like oh you really wouldn't know most likely unless it grew like quite a bit and I was like so. Why am I checking it every day? And they're like oh just you know just in case and I was like so they measured it again and it had grown Lillard like Oh yeah grew and and I was like okay. Well this time now it looks like Trying to think is. Is it a cantilever. Beam like those like a white creamy shebeens kind of like a scoop at talk out a little bit you know little curve. Instead of being like circular it kind of grew wider and like how to groove at the top and like blood probably overnight. You're healthy you're sitting there just like God and Those like okay fine so I'm still checking every day and just feel like I'm losing it like as the days progress. I'm just like not to mention that. A year prior my grandmother had been diagnosed with breast cancer. And I happened to be home for a doctor's appointment and I was coming back and I figured visit. Hardly they hold on the way back to Boston and I checked in and she'll go hi and literally two minutes later as I'm in their phone call and I don't think I knew knew that. She has been tested for cancer that she found a love. Nebraska didn't think anything of IT and she gets all when I get in there and it's her doctor and her doctor. She disliked the look on her face. Just dropped and I'm like oh my gosh. And she's like canoe talk to her and I said okay Interests like it's my doctor and I said okay in her doctor was like hi Kayak her granddaughter unexplained okay I'm I'm sorry to say this but your grandmother has breast cancer and I was just like in shock in so I'm like immediately. My brain goes into like this isn't meat. This is for somebody else so like we're going to get it together. Okay like it got a note pad and to what our next steps that phone call replayed in my head over and over and over and over again and all I can think about is like getting that phone. Call me so like I've had such bad luck with my health. That like I'm just like it's inevitable. I feel like you know like just waiting around. I'm just GONNA find out this information one way or another and so I felt like an unchanged at some point so we're past six months human about it like seven or eight months and I was like I called them and I was like I feel like it's changed the Enj- enjoyed going for another ultrasound and they're like it does look like it's grown again. But they were arguing like Oh Maitha. The person that had done it in October had missed you. Know Don the The sizing or what have you like. It probably has grown like just really make stunts and it did grow but I was like I want a biopsy told me if you have a biopsy I wanNA biopsy. I can't do this anymore. And they're like oh well you know it's fine though. It doesn't really make sense anymore like free to do that. Like you're totally fine. I was like you. You don't even know that grew or not like you're sitting here like arguing with each other. I was like I don't really care. I just WANNA know if it's benign or not and like. You told me the first appointment that I could often for that and so I had to fight for myself and they convinced me to not do it and then I just kept sitting there like every single day and I'm like I literally can't do this and so I called than I like talk to the manager. She understood and they ended up getting headed the department to talk to me. I explained it to her. And she's like look. I'm pretty sure this is a fiber rotten noma just completely benign. She's like but I understand even mistreated nouveau need. Feel like this is somehow your fault or like you know that you know opting in for something that you were told you have is like wrong somehow. And she's like so it's on me she's like. I'm absolutely going to perform this for you. She's like an I understand. Why while you're feeling the way that you are valid again? I think it's benign but I will hundred percent for you and I was like thank you and so ultimately end up going in January and I'm not GonNa go into detail is kind of gruesome but later But I also want to say that if anybody ever finds do not be scared of this. This is very important. You're completely numb like you. Don't feel it it's just like the thought of it is what's like squeamish but it's important to be of a long. Please get a check if you can like. And don't be afraid of the biopsy like it's super important But we ended up. Doing the biopsy called the hollow co-ord- needles. It's like very large and there was like three people in the room helping and what they did they took out. She said eight different samples Abet and they put in a clip. It's just basically like a little twisty piece of metal that basically says. Hey We know this is here in in case you ever look at this in a you know any type of like x ray setting ever again Those she's like will let you know like asap a peak like you know it's going to be pretty sore. The healing process can be pretty tough. Like don't do anything extreme for like a few days but it should be fine. It shouldn't link bleed or anything like that so the waiting period I think it was worth It's funny because like all my life. I've wanted diagnosis diagnoses for things. But like the Times like I wanted at one but I was so terrified like feeling relieved I was so terrified of this one and I was like. Oh my Gosh Going Oh yeah and so I got a phone call like two days later. And it's not when she said it was it was earlier I was like hello and I figure like if she's calling early to be bad news I was like Oh my God and she's like I just want to stay ahead of time that like it's completely I like. You're absolutely benign ADENOMA. Just like I'm so sorry for all that you had to go period of time like feeling like martime cancer like I'm really sorry this happened to you. You're like you cancer freely anything The worship Keep it keep your love Do the obviously if it continues to grow or gets to be a nuisance of any like kyon she's like we can always take take it out but right now it's pretty fine. Do know though with fiber Adenomas that like they. It's common to get more and you can also get it in your other Brussels wealth She ended doesn't necessarily mean that you're any higher of a risk of getting breast cancer in the future To something that Athens sometimes. Sometimes it's the won't be like that can happen and I was like okay if I felt like I keep that speaker everybody for so long because it's also was in my breast and I was like I feel like that makes people feel uncomfortable like already. Yes it's also in that taboo family like menstruation like exactly exactly and that in the fact that you know. I don't know just like being a fitness person. Like my body. That people looked at admired it to talk about something like a part of my body that they might have thought was like hot or whatever for the male audience or whatever for them to be like. Oh I like I gotta feel all bad and weird about it. I was like I might allowed to talk about this. And so I actually Donovan. Nobody knows like other than like my family and friends like nobody knows 'cause I was like I don't know if I can or should talk about it but it like it was a huge thing and again like it really tested me. After I'd gone through all of these things I was like okay. That's fine but it did eat away at me and like I'm feeling much better now mentally talk about it but now that I have the distance but it was definitely rough where am now currently is I felt it really frustrated because I have felt this career like to bring up like I have done marketing consulting. I work for myself doing that. For a long time built another business called the Boston increase collective which basically helps artists get jobs and gives them business education because they could actually monetize their businesses and things like that I am also an abstract painter And that came from when I was in my concussion like the very like early days where they're basically like you can't watch TV. You can't do anything all was allowed to do was just like the sleep and paint and so I never found myself to be authentic nick and all this finger pain do shit and like I don't really care it gives me something to do So when I was going through the anxiety in two thousand seventeen I felt all of a sudden and L. after architecture to me going. Oh it's like maybe creativity. It's just not for me like maybe like. Let's just not do that. I felt like I left like loss on my creative drive but I started painting when I was like a home alone. I was going through. NFL Axis one of the only thing that made me feel calm was just looks like paint. And at that point Doing abstract paintings and doing core style with fluid. acrylics was a very grounding thing for me and so again again like never meant the same way. The blog was never meant to be like an income Like become part of what I do now But that being said like I all these things I have a cool like Crew that people deemed cooler like unique. I work for myself having man hours but I just had this nagging feeling. I'm like I'm not happy. I feel very unfulfilled and I don't know why and I realized that like I always just wanted to go back to school man. I think that I pushed it so far are down because I didn't want Jerry didn't WanNa go through that again and I met I was on twitter and I saw I think professor that I had had one was talking back and forth with somebody or he re tweeted something that basically it was a combination of schools aren't really most of them are a lot of them. Aren't requirements arguments Yuri. Any more And I was like excuse me wait why yet and I was like I go look at some schools and I'm like oh my gosh. You're actually like not according to Gre. And I can apply to Grad School. My Gosh so that was last year and I've been thinking a lot about it and obviously like with the breast off if I was like you know I really play. I'm GONNA spend this whole year like getting everything aligned like ready to go so this time now where we are like. I'll be able to get it all out and it'll be competent my applications than dealing with that I was like. Is this just not my time. Maybe like you know and again like going through something like that. I'm like can I do that like have medical issues. In like being Grad school it can handle the stress of Grad School. And like all my other issues that I have then I left that kind of like cloud things in I kind of decided recently I was like no. I'm going to do it like if I'm gonNA find an excuse to not do it forever. And so I decided to actually the trigger and so now I'm working on my Grad school formations which is amazing But as I've been applying There are two the school that still require the tre and nine out. What's online again like to see? Are there any accommodations shocked There's only suffer linus and like other like more recognized. This ability is and this time I saw one for TV. I and I was like Oh amazing though I look and I'm like it. Would you would literally early. They make it impossible like they're like. Oh can we have your entire life story and documentations and receipts for every single. Bit of it No you can't you. You can't prove like that one small detail from like twelve years ago. Yes sorry we can't give you a combination. They literally wanted a paper trail like exactly like where I am. I'm now to where I was and like. It had to match out perfectly. It was so much I had an eye doctor appointment like just for a checkup and I was complaining that like I was having trouble seeing as always been issue on and off. I don't really wear glasses. And she likened the task and she's like you're refine and she saw my chart that has a TI patient. And I'm surprised this hasn't come up or but she's like I hate to say this but like I don't think it's it's your eyes. I think it's your brain And so she's like there's something called vision therapy and she's like I think that could really benefit from it and she's like I'm going to email humiliate information. You should check it out. I'm not sure if it's covered by insurance but like it's worth at least being and so I put it off for a while because I knew my insurance was probably going to give give me like issues about it but finally was like okay. Like let's do this and also I realized like that would be recent information that I could use towards the gre are- like accommodations potentially so ended up getting an appointment. And I ended up going all in the past like two weeks. So it's been a like storm watch just information and it's so crazy the perspective. How much like twelve years later? I'm learning now like a in Spain if it's a lot So home with that being said I go to therapy. I go to the initial appointments. And they're doing a lot of the similar stuff that I did. I leave in my neuro ophthalmology appointment which I'm surprised now in hindsight that they didn't pick up on these things back then but again they can. They can twelve ten twelve years ago. I guess they just didn't know as much and it just is what it is but like standards change so quickly. Yeah exactly and so. They're doing all these different TASR. Do things like duct perception to color to I don't even know they test everything that your eyes can do and I have. Obviously you have no idea how you're doing. They refused to talk. And I'm like I got it like I understand when it comes is like driving at night is definitely in a shoe I still have like sensitivity. oftentimes dissociate the most like when and were watching Netflix. At night and like the lights are kind of like offered them and then they get up to go to the bathroom the transition of light and also wear them in a space. where I'm like? Oh like oh my Gosh Gosh. Hey there yeah exactly so other than that like. I never really thought too much about my vision. It is very frustrating driving on the highway way I get like panic attacks while driving especially like on larger highways but I thought that that had to do with just like like maybe I had a moment that I didn't know that triggered my anxiety now I just had anxiety every time I drive on the highway like I didn't know so with that I finished the testing and she the doctor comes in an and she's like we decided to stop halfway through because he thought that it would be way too much for you to fit everything it and so we're GONNA do the peripheral in Russia the testing Two weeks from now and she's like she asked me again. Like what happened to you when you were fourteen and my told her all this different stuff. That might concussion and and she just looks at me and she's like I start crying when I start talking about like the gre because she's like where where are you at now. And I'm just like I don't know I'm so emotional and that's why like elite. Just been like it's coming up like so much I think in my face. This is something I wanted so badly and like. I'm afraid I'm just not able to do it because of something that happened twelve years ago. I'm at still haunting to this day and He's like you I believe you. And she's like your symptoms are valid and like everything that you're going through and have how gone through like I'm so sorry that happened to you and like it's never had a doctor say that to me before and like it's so comforting to know like it's just I can't even describe how feels seen by somebody it's unreal purlee not so rare like exactly and especially with the vision. Stop a lot of questions that you're asking me like. I didn't know how I didn't have again. I didn't have the language. Describe like what I was seeing. How things were different or like what I was experiencing but like they got it like nobody else? Obviously like friends are feeling understood. That like they knew what I meant. Right and They're able to put a diagnosis her. Understand it in a way that helps them and so he's like your brain. Is You know like you have brain damage. You know like you when you got your skull crushed in like that in your holy like everything in your brain and got bombed and she's like it's not just a matter of like. Oh you bumped her brain and like just that area is not working like basically what happens happens like these neurons stretch and the always picture the brain kind of like slapping the inside of your skull may think that just giggling like what kind of like gets everything everything going but really what happens when it kind of moves like that like your neurons stretch and for most people not situations where it's liner. They're able to go back into place. And then you can re recovering can back to your old self the for other people. It's such a bad impact that it stretches and then it tries to find normalcy so badly thought like goes to other like tried to connect to other neurons. Aren't the right neuron or like just not quite right. Though things are just take detours or things just get wonky or like not right in different different ways and she'd like vision is like your brain basically rewired itself in the in the fastest easiest way possible to have a sense of normalcy. But it's I'm not in the right place like things are locked in incorrectly. Then so you see the world very different than most people and she's like you know logistically speaking taking like your eyes don't team together like she's like I think people see my eyes would not I don't even. I never noticed that like looking at videos. I'm like what do you me in my eyes are like moving together. Like you know it's like it's very subtle but even subtleties like make such a huge difference. And she's like when it comes to literally tracking when it comes to like duck perception like everything like your is just. Aren't doing anything together. And you like it has nothing to do with your eyes as everything to with your brain. So she's like very like basic level she is like you have technically what's called convergence inefficiency which can give you things like take my grains which can give you things like dissociation which can give you like a difficult time reading like. I never knew that I thought that was a slow reader like after everything was said and done. I didn't know that like apparently the tax isn't supposed to jump out at you or that like you're not supposed to get a white cast over like I didn't know that like I didn't know that the reason driving on the highway is so difficult for me is because it's too much in my peripherals in that. My eyes are like connecting so everything seems overwhelming and with all the light and all although everything moving by it's too much information for my brain the fact that like my brain just doesn't take individual information correctly. It becomes overwhelming. I had no Weijia that I spent this much time. And so it wasn't just not and like I spent my entire life. Undergrad reading hundreds upon hundreds of pages a night and finding it so difficult to like maintain that end luckily learn to speed. which is how I got through it? But like I had no idea. And it's it's heartbreaking. When I think about how I've had to live this way for so long? Yeah end nothing without knowing and I'm not not any. I can't be upset with anybody for not catching it like I can like. It's not worth it but it's it's hard and so I just yesterday or two days ago now I had my last. What's the point man and lets the craziest? The wildest thing to me is the prism. DOFF they do the peripheral testing which is brutal for Romy. I definitely have an issue with that for sure. Just like everything else but She brings up. He's planks that had these blake. I don't know if they're mentally sway way like when you walk on them if that makes sense to like five foot ones she puts together and she's like okay speaker shoes and socks off into the going either. Walk Straight like one put in front of the other all the way to the edge of pause for a second Unin go backwards and she didn't she got a metronome and she's like the beat. I want you to like every like you know each foot down at the beach house like Joan shoes. Like part of the game or not can't tell you that and so I'm like looking being down like wobbling having a very difficult time obviously balanced is still an issue for me and unlike won't let you fall. You're good and so I get to the end going backwards a little bit easier but like I'm like still struggling to do that. And then she's like okay. She can't be a pair of glasses and you wear glasses. So you're talking about people that don't it's hard to explain but at you're at the optometrist and put that like thing as a different lenses they're like one or two three or four or whatever you choose which one works for you You can feeling like regardless if it's the right prescription for you it's almost like the corners of your eyes. You feel like just like something like pension maybe like you can feel it With these glasses I didn't feel will anything like it. Almost felt like they were clear lenses. But she's like okay just walk and I didn't even think about it. I was completely subconscious or Alexa unconscious of it. I just walked in a straight line like with a head up to the end and go backwards and I just like look I turn look at her and I'm like what happened. What is that? And she's like okay improvement. I said Yeah So. She gives me another pair of glasses and she's like again this time like I put them on and I don't know how to explain it any other way but like once I put them on didn't even walk get I just felt and I always wondered like if I somehow I was able to go back what I ever recognize what it felt like the the be normal And we honestly I was not spend so long now I'm not sure But when I put those second pair of glasses glasses on all I could it just describe it is like I feel normal I don't know how to describe it any other way. I just feel like normal like and I walked back and forth like completely fine like able to do the beat like no problem problem and I just heard I look at her. Like what is this. Like what like. And she's like these are called presume awesome. It was is and she's like what you're wearing currently is what works for you or was called bottom downer. BVD Lenses so if you think of a prison almost like a triangle like a free triangle the access the tip is facing up in the basis like facing down Though she's like the way that I can describe grab it you as if she's like so you basically with your referral like issues and stuff like that. It's almost as if you live life wearing winder manner ever so slightly always like looking like even though you're looking straightforward. It's almost as if you're looking slightly down Like that's your vision then constantly like not to mention the other issues that you have with your conversion your convergence inefficiency and stuff like that and like your perception and she's like but you literally it's like wearing blinders and you're looking at Russo slightly down. That's why you always feel slightly unstable. That's why you feel like off balance or things feel driving hard going down and ask leader. It's hard like all these different things are now. Why are you dissociates? Easily like just getting up and moving like this is exactly why and so she's like basically what these classes do is like what you in the right position Shannon like about slight properly trick your brain to think that like you're seeing things the way that you're supposed to see that yeah and so basically. I thought I was go Parisian therapy so did she but she said after all the testing was studying dine I don't have but I have similar. Symptoms Irwin so I tried on a bunch of different lenses in blue is my color. So basically what. They're giving me. His progressive lenses to kind of help is any type of correction but to keep them working together at a reading level though. Like obviously this would be easier for the now. Probably and then For reading in like a screens and then mid level. Because I've always heard like those near and far sightedness I don't think ever think of like mid the basically it's Farsighted mid to keep my is aligned and then I had like the blue to help me with like the coloration issues. And then I had the prism though. Oh I got those next week. But I'm like oh my gosh like direct towards these forever though. And she's like actually no she's like you should be able to hopefully be done wearing them within the next year. She's like looking at her. Like what do you mean. And she's like think of these as like training wheels. Okay basically. You're going to get used to seeing this way in like rewire itself to actually like you. That look like amazing using. Yeah like it's going to heal itself and that's what's so beautiful about it and she's like you know if we decide that it's not quite working or are we want more to bump things up audaciously division therapy. But she's like. I really think that this is just going to be enough for you. Ange ticket really hope. So I'm excited for you and I was like the fact that thirteen years later. Thirteen years later and I'm sitting here and I'm like oh my gosh like it. Something that can help. I'm thinking tangible. That could potentially make me helped me feel somewhat normal again like it's overwhelming. Yeah so that's kind of where I'm at now. You Got Amazing thank you yeah. I don't think I have any big questions just because I know I've been asking them along the way and we've covered so so armee story no thank you so much for sharing it with me Yeah Yeah I'm excited for you to get the glasses me too. Yeah it's going to be interesting to see people like see the blue. It's not like an obvious which is nice but I'm like you know like Bano has a Chinese pilots. I like whatever it's fine year hopping on. That's a Mary Thank you for listening to episode fifty five of no end in sight. You can find Taryn on instagram and twitter at Taryn underscore or Gilligan and you can find me on instagram and twitter at Bennis B and of course you can find the show on instagram at no dot dot in dot site dot pod. I post pretty regularly stories and I've actually been posting to the main feed lately which is an accomplishment and I also share new essays from the no end in sight right medium collection over stories as well so it's a good place to find out when new stuff comes out as usual. Don't forget that I have a small facebook. Group called Chronic Hustler's for people living with chronic conditions who are self employed. It's quiet but growing and you'll find a few podcast guests in her and finally this podcast is supported by my cross-stitch company digital artisanal. When I'm up for it I make simple modern patterns? 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Key to treating epilepsy is talking about it and community engagement: WHO

UN News

03:31 min | 1 year ago

Key to treating epilepsy is talking about it and community engagement: WHO

"This is my well as you're news. Epilepsy affect some fifty million people around the world and eight intent of these live in low to middle income countries. The World Health Organization said on Thursday in interview with you News's Samuel moon guy. WHO's Dr Taryn Dur explains how to help sufferers and what the strategies are that are being put in place to reduce stigma faced by those with the condition. So one of the reason for the high stigma associated with epilepsy is because of the presentation, you had those recurrent body movements. And sometimes, you don't know what are they happen in your afraid about it because it seems you don't have control of your body. And that's why people think that it may be a form of, for example, due to a devil, or things like that. And that because these are unpredictable it when are they going to happen? And so people are afraid that this would mean that you would not like to be interacting, or working closely. It's people like that. And that's the reason for plastic method PC so emergent before there was an what to do during. Ability seizure. What shouldn't you do? So a few things that you should not be doing that to get stressed about it between stop by itself. So I think that's a very important message the other things that are in terms of, don't do his put anything in the mouth, people feel that you might swallow your tongue and so that is impossible. So don't put on drive to open them out. Don't try to restrain. I think these are some of the important don'ts in case of epilepsy. When someone has a heart attack an appeal of see both of them involve convulsive seizures. How could you tell the difference between a heart attack and seizure? This would mean that you would need to do some special tests to understand what is the cause of the person is having these abnormal movement. A good clinical history that is the most important to understand because if you have hard tax, you don't only have abnormal movement, you have other symptoms. For example, you would have been you would have sweating and some of these things that are not seen in a person with epilepsy. Then you would need some these diagnostic tests, less for example, in. Case of heart attack, you would need to electrocardiogram in epilepsy, you would need to do electrons flow Graham, so it is diagnostic investigations can also help you. So how big is this problem epilepsy? So epilepsy is a rain disease common across the world, it affects around fifty million people worldwide and if I look into the numbers, exactly between one in one hundred or one in two hundred people across the world will have epilepsy at any given time. So these are substantially high numbers, it affects people, both sexes all ages. But more common in children and older adults. So what are some of the strategies both in the community legislative wise and into workplace that are being taken to make more awareness of decision. So the most important is having an awareness and advocacy campaign to reduce the stigma around epilepsy. It is important that people with epilepsy should talk about it. I think that's extremely important. What we need protective legislations and policies. For example, people should be allowed to marry. People should be allowed to drive there should not be discriminatory. Employments children with epilepsy, should be allowed to go to schools. So these are very important legislative policy community based intervention strategies that can be undertaken to decrease the stigma and discrimination associated with epilepsy. What it requires is also working together with civil society organizations people with epilepsy and their families because they are the ones to tell you about it that this is a condition, not to be afraid on, this is a condition which requires social inclusion.

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Celebrity Big Brother 2 | Eviction Recap Jan 25

Rob Has a Podcast

1:04:52 hr | 1 year ago

Celebrity Big Brother 2 | Eviction Recap Jan 25

"Chummy live Ramaya far band ads? Rod has a podcast. And now, here's the guy who got to Scott duped by the mooch twist didn't see that coming. You got me. Big brother. You you got me. We'll talk about it all here tonight on our celebrity big brother recap, Vic Shen number one. And what a panel we have here tonight to talk about everything very excited to have with us here for the first time here in celebrity big, brother. Great friend of the podcast, you hear him all the time on the reality. TV rops. Please welcome in our own entertainment. Reporter here is. Yes. With all the rain. The news. You won't believe what Allie last said about Brian Kobe. Oh, Mike the room is here. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so excited to be here. You know, I do feel like as podcasters the GOP umbrella. We are all part of a team that feel like I'm doing my part as a teammate to come in here and help recap. What might be the most asinine episode of big brother? I've seen in nearly two decades of this show. We got a lot to get through. Of course that we're very excited to have with us year on a victim night. Here is Mr. Taryn Armstrong Taryn. How are you? I'm doing as well as I can rob trying to get through it. It's hard time for us. All. Okay. We got a lot to get through here. Ten night. Hashtag RHA your questions and comments all appreciated as we work through a Vic shin number one. But our top story at this hour, again has to be time to talk about the mood and everything that's going on there with our panel. And we got the big worthy Il we were wondering all in the world all week long. We're in the world was Anthony Scaramucci what happened and turns out. This was all big twist. Yes. To a twisty twist, and we expect the unexpected we fell for it hook line, and sinker. Mike, what a blindside tonight that it turns out Anthony Scaramucci was not one of the twelve players in the game. He was a fake player pretending to be one of the house guests, and we got got they got us. We really got like never been kissed here. Where entity scare Mucci went undercover. As a big brother houseguests, give us the scoop. And I mean, this is interesting because I think they're going to be filling out a lot of reactions that have been going on the internet populace, suffice it to say nothing I was positive. But I think one of the most interesting things that came from. This twist is that essentially this was a double blind experiments where the house gets did it. No. But neither did the audience, which I think. The increasing amounts of confusion that Taryn has tried to intentionally. Neither did production or Anthony Scaramucci. The quadruple blind. Experimental line tests were just a bunch of blind people sort of basically, we're gonna bird bucks Nario right now. Rob is a bunch of blind people just trying to feel things out and figure out how to make their way through the first ten days of this game. Taryn you famously have criticized the twists on big brother. But I feel like even you can't come up with anything that is that you could complain about. This twist. I mean, this was a solid twist. It's very solid. I mean, I can practically touch it. It's so solid. It's I couldn't be more solid. What's it feel like what's the tactile sensation you get from? This twist. It feels like, you know, those dreams cliche dreams you have where you're like back in school. You don't have any clothes on. And you're super embarrassed. I haven't had one of those myself. But I feel like this is probably the closest I'll ever get to it or a dream where you you attend to competition, and you're closer way too big. And you feel really embarrassed. Recurring. Nightmares? Something like that. Okay. Let's just talk this through. So, of course, celebrity big, brother. They're going to pull out all the stops not one, but two big twist this week where Anthony Scaramucci what you should have seen the look on. Everybody's faces Mike when it was revealed that Anthony Scaramucci was not a mole that he was not he did not appear to be doing anything moly. He was not franking. Anybody did not leave the toilet seat up or anything like that? It was just there to mess with people just there to mess with lock these nominations. I mean, do we count though him dropping quotations in his previous statements, Tom with linked to is that is that like mold ish activity, or is that just him being the loose mooch that he is just jets in the crowd up. I don't know. Okay. So all right. So that's that's the real story. That's the that's the true story. But let's let's write some fan fiction here tonight. Can we can we come up with any alternative theories Taryn of what might have happened here in an alternate reality where where this was not a twist that was predetermined and completely planned and not thrown together. Well, I know that there are a lot of people who in fact, most people that I see are saying this was not planned, the mooch quit and CBS is trying to cover up for it to allude embarrassment. My response to that is this is way more embarrassed. Possibly been. So I don't know why they would do that. And then I remember, oh, it's probably the guy that needs to justify job. Okay. So what we that in in this hypothetical world where that's not what what really happened that the move was a preplanned twist from the beginning. What would you think happened? I mean, I think I think the idea behind this theory might be that. Hey, the mooch came into the house. He was clearly embarrassed to be there. He clearly didn't want to be there. He was put on the block. He lost the veto. It looked like he might be leaving in the first week. And instead of you know, having the headlines be, hey, the mooch didn't last a full mooch in the big brother house, he negotiated with CBS headed time. If it looks like I'm gonna leave before eleven date. I get to come up with an elaborate excuse about how it wasn't at all. So love of failsafe institute. Plan em. I'm I'm very crisis mode right now you've got to bring in the road the road. Oh competition things. I said the past week. So I'm I'm half with you. I'm half with you on on this theory Taryn, I think mooch comes into the house expects it to be much different comes into the house. I think around the time of the veto competition that seems that that's a breaking point of again as a as Eric Stein pointed out that maybe he looked like another giant baby. Maybe in in grownup, close at the ala a big Mike bloom at the end of that competition and goes in the dia room and his like, all right? That's it. I got a whole thing in Davos, I got to be there. This isn't for me and production says give us forty eight hours. Give us forty eight hours will make it seem like it's all part of the thing. And we get this thrown together veto competition. Taryn what do you think of that? I mean, it's certainly it's certainly a possibility personally, I do subscribe to the it was planned theory. But we can talk about that after. But I mean, it could be any one of these things to be honest. And it would not surprise me. If this was the case, although every time people talk about Davos, I'm just like why are we talking about game of thrones? Across the narrow sea. Basically black vapor, right and just sort of like made his way out of the house. So I'm now sad because he doesn't have his Long Island connection. Melanson dina. Connection has been severed. Okay, Mike, what's your theory? So I mean, I'm I'm screaming to your theory. Rob just because love to see the Livia like figure that exists in CBS brain gets brought into to fix these exactly. When action right here comes Harvey, tell the gloves not those gloves Kato. And basically says like all right. Let's let's institute some things you know, what was saying the past week. Okay. Let's get graphics on it. We'll just plaster the small backyard. We have we don't even need ecosystems. We'll do DR answer is Allah the coup-d'etat back in big brother all stars. We'll do a slapdash OTT like competition. And so I really do feel like this is the work of puff the best genius behind the scenes of big other who shall remain anonymous for right now. Because if this was a big brother twist, Allah a saboteur they they bake that into the season they tell you about that like. Oh, and there's more twists, and it seems like we're going to get more big brother celebrity news, Allah the takeover like oh. That is really sad. You did not include Tamar, Braxton scatting thing on entertainment tonight. These hey that was good. I like that. I think that this was just a bit of a red con here Taryn. Well, let me tell you what my thought was which is that basically the whole point of having him on the show in the first place was so that they could make a few headlines. So that when he was announced as being on the show, they could be like, oh, look Anthony Scaramucci part of the new big brother celebrity cast is he going to talk about Trump like Omarosa did. And then when it's revealed that he's gone, and we don't have an explanation for it. We get CNN headlines. The mooch doesn't even last a full mooch in the big brother house. I think that's exactly what they wanted. And I think it was the entire point of him being there. And the reason they had to lie to us is that they wouldn't have gotten those headlines if we had known that he wasn't actually a part of the season ahead of time. Eric Stein tweet it out as well that this is probably a last minute thing that they just barely managed to negotiate something with him. Like, hey, let's let's get you on for six days, and we can make some headlines, then you can leave, and it will all be cool. And so that's personally what I what I think they did. I think it was entirely engineered thing just to grab some headlines. It was very lazy. It was very embarrassing. And I honestly think this is a much worse. Look for them than trying to cover up a quit, or what acquit would have been. I think that the whole thing is just like, it's just itchy turn. The only thing that makes me feel like that. That was not the case where CBS and big brother wasn't ain't on it from the beginning was I feel like if you knew you only had the mooch for six days, I feel like either the movie or the show would have handled those six days differently of why not if you're going to reveal that the mooch is a twist why not give him some absurd tasks to do. Do where he can really shake things up where he was a twist that had was completely had no effect on anything. He wasn't doing anything wacky. He wasn't a tr- trying to undermine anything. He was just there to basically make. A bunch of dumb jokes about his time working in Washington. I see what you're saying. But I think that if they had done that they would have revealed the fact that he wasn't actually on the show. And I think they wanted the headlines of mooch is on the show. Plus when would have had time to put that into these episodes have been so packed full of events that they barely have any. It's barely anything more than just listing out. What happens? Yeah. I really feel like he was not having fun. He knew that this thing in Davos was coming up. I think that maybe he went in in the back of his head. Like, hey, I'm gonna pull the rip cord on this thing if it's not working and knew he knew he could walk out. I just I can't imagine that they came in knowing that they were only going to have him for a couple of days and did just did not use him in terms of what they did with him on the show. Mike. I don't know. I'm kinda subscribing to Terrence temp theory that essentially the mooch had like this small-time contract for weeks. I understand your point about like with America's player and with the Abitur that unfortunately, had a very small tenure in her initial installment there. They definitely played it up. They brought us in on the joke. Which again, what are the many weird things about? This is that we were not in on the joke. I mean, I think trying to bring us in a lot of Trump jokes that were necessarily working, but we were not in on the joke of him being this mole like figure, but it just seems like I don't know. I feel like the twist of there being two vetoes in one week with baked in there. No matter what. And I wonder if they were just trying to build backwards in their big out. Okay. How do we sort of involve this? Because I think that there is loose theme there right with him saying, hey in Washington, you don't get a second chance, which I don't think is true considering the number of people with numerous scales that are. Only a sitting in political positions. But he was saying, you know, we'll give you guys a second chance. There is some sort of rationale behind it. But I wonder fortuitous circumstances. Or is it planned circumstances? That led this other twist to occur as a result of it. Because if he knew the whole time that he was leaving after six days, don't you feel he would have handled the nominations differently tearing where something along the lines of like if I were you I wouldn't put me up on the block, you'll have your making a big mistake. You have no idea. Like are. We saying that he was so bound by he wouldn't be able to leave if he hinted that he had some power to pull the Ripcord. No, I think like he just didn't care. I think that he didn't like the whole point was like, I gotta do six days. Here. I'm supposed to pretend that I'm supposed to be here. And then I'm actually playing and and then I get to leave, and then I get to go to Davos on my planned trip, and they're gonna pay me. I'm going to be able to use this as a talking point in my future speeches about how it really connected me to the general populace. I'm so. Founded by so many wonderful elites people, but this really connects me to the the good ole down to earth people of the of the people are anything from down to earth Taryn up in the radish fair. This is this hot mess express. So. How many legs has to stand on? It's it's literally what he's saying. In his interviews in ally. Can't trust anything. I'm starting to wonder Mike was was it all just a big twist when the mooch was installed as the White House communications director with that all the same idea of like, oh, you got we got you guys. We got you thought the mooch was really he was a fake communications director. Well, here's what's going to happen. I mean, we know that there are some connections between the presidency of Donald Trump and Mark Burnett concerning the -ffiliated the apprentice, I think Mark sort of went behind the scenes like awry, a planet for another CBS show. But here's what's going to happen. Get regular I put them into this position this long con- put them in the big house for a week. Or twist that the about in the whole of reality TV for agents. Yeah. Also, I would also add that I feel like that. This was not something that the production really felt. Great about because I do feel like that. They sort of did the best that they could. But Julie got got in and out of this as much as possible and did not spend a lot of time there turn well. And that's the thing. And that's why something I was. I was like people are asking was this acquit. Was it a cover up was it planned from the start? And honestly, my answer. Is it doesn't matter because the officials story is the worst possible outcome of all of this. It's the most embarrassing thing that that could have happened. And if that's what they want us to believe that I'm fine believing it I'm like, okay that I would have preferred that it was a quick I would have preferred if it was a cover up the fact that it was planned from the start is the worst thing that could have happened. And that's what you're telling me. I guess I'm going to believe if. Okay. All right. I don't know how much more to say about this Anthony Scaramucci, I don't think that the that anybody is buying what they put out there as the official story. But I mean, the mooch the much stunk on the show. I mean, I I don't think it's really breaking news. We don't trust what a White House mutations director passer presidents putting out there. And so the public again, I mean. I mean, I agree that I think like I mean comparing the great Oni and mooch is like night and day, basically right in terms of they basically share a boss, and that's it in terms of entertainment value. The house gets across the board. What I love about this group in particular is that they have all been so for the most part pretty authentic and real and sincere in the divor room, which is a nice blessing have after you know, twelve weeks of this guy thinks he can pick on me. Well, they're in for a heap. Trouble now, but the mood was the lone exception to that even more than someone like Ryan LAC de Ryan locked he's actually his most candid when he's in the diary room. But mooch surprisingly seems like he was the most prompted so I do think if we're power ranking things based on entertainment value, I put moved to the bomber the dirty dozen. So I guess from that perspective. You know, if we while there might be some bemoaning the fact that we got John, and we did at least different of somebody who is not bringing that much to the show from from a personality perspective. Okay. Well, yes, we had an addiction tonight as well as they jam-packed episode. And we haven't spoken much about Jonathan who got voted out, Mike, he fetch seven votes tonight known for you, Joe Lawrence Hugo, Joey Lawrence. Yes. Jonathan. Taryn that this was a really worst case scenario here for Jonathan and this first week. Yeah. I think I think Nikki on Twitter who is who's wonderful pointed out that one of three if all three of these twists don't happen h person going on the block the mooch quitting and second veto than than Jonathan is fine. He's not gonna leave. But all three of them did happen, which is not to say that he did not screwed up himself as well. Because he's certainly did. But you know, he could have asked for a much better position to be in to start out with. I thought that Julie was very punchy with him tonight. Mike, I was eager to see. How Julie was gonna be doing these interviews. Here was Julie with Jonathan was spinning what happened with him. And she was having. None of it pronounced what happened was that? Blind item. Yes. Nonimmigrant tip cut Colton of CVS someone's been stalking. Jonathan Bennett at the gym pre CB celebrity twist. Yeah. He is who he claims he is she says three chances I'm assuming that means she's counting the dual. He had to do with Ryan locked -i in which if he loses he's immediately put on the block, which he had to do because he won and h h competition that's one trance yourself. Yeah. That was no Warhol is that a chance retiring he really had four chances that he could not gotten picked for the h that was another chance that that he blew. Changed of. Walk through the door. Really could've walked to the door. He could have been the mooch and knob in a real flooded have been. Yup. Yup. So it could have been the former White House communications ratchet rights we actually had six chances Dick's. He could have been born significant time earlier doesn't come off as big young them again. Or really his light has been building up with a bunch of missed opportunities that leads with big brother of actions, really a Greek tragedy. But this is really interesting. Julia said, no, no, you wanna know what you did. You wanna know what you did wrong? I'll tell you. I'll tell you exactly how you blew it. Communication. So Cording to Julie that if you are aligned with a woman you need to tell her what's going on. Because the worst thing you could do to a woman that you are aligned with is have her get a major blindside. She would not like that. That would not be good. I mean is this sort of like remember when Jeff unfortunately talk show, and like brought that footage or that material onto ships -vivor. Yes, Julie Chen move as missing to talk to just sort of instill advice out there. Look, I'm going to give you a life lesson. I totally agree. Julie Julie bought as the mole puts it have been totally on the Fritz tonight between that between the effort. Mention what happened between her saying Kato win veto. Rapel reading I heard. Her. Her software has either upgraded or downgrading now is big brother twenty been a lot up dates and a lot of dates. Yeah. She's not like that. No, no blindsides for the ladies, you're working with gotta have that communication, very important. Very important. Okay. Attaran did the votes come down the way that you were expecting today. Yes. I mean, it came are, we weren't entirely sure. Which way her vote was gonna go. She did say toward the end of the day that she was going to be voting Jonathan out even though she really wanted to vote. Oh, so not not very surprising. Yeah. We got some interesting speeches from the nominees as well on the block, including a speech from Joey Lawrence who the show really yada yada through Jody Laura Joey Lawrence's nomination, but he closed he closed with this Mike, and I want to get your take on this. So he said. Mike did did Joey do an intentional blossom there because everything about Joey Lawrence has pointed the fact that he does not do references. He is not self-referential. He will not say. Whoa. Solicit and say blossom by accident. I think this is reference for play. I. You don't want me. You know, you don't want me to say the word, but I'm gonna I'm gonna from here on out. Yeah. And until you wait until that one climactic moment when you know, you'll get your whoa face. I think that's what Joey is. I think he is systematically doing his only playing his own little mind games. The clear he's not playing the big brother games. There's got to be doing something their Taryn you studied Jo- Lawrence for a week. Now. I'm with you, rob. I think this was not intense. When you when you look at his face after Jonathan says, oh blossom, he's like, of course, you you've course. Yeah. Something like, no it wasn't intentional. But then he decides not to I think Robert twin your impression and his mannerisms. I think Joey Lawrence is the Mike urban trout of the celebrity. Just gonna sit there on vixen, Jillian me and die Walter. I'm not gonna say anything you want me to say, I'm not going to say my catchphrase. Give me some gum to jam up the card. I'm that man. Okay. All right Taryn. We got the short short version of everything that we've been following over the course of the week. What did you think was the biggest omission from tonight's episode? The game. I think if you described the biggest mission in two words taymor Braxton, I think that she has been done involved. And let's say the Rick Ricky Tom's stuff as well. Taymor have been port of so many kerfuffle 's nonsensical cripples come up in the past few days, even to the point of this afternoon, which for those that have not watched the business Pesci. I'm so excited for tearing UN Liana talk about this light tomorrow morning because it was insane insane to watch taymor Braxton bring the phrase what talk about Willis into. Context. I. I absolutely love it. I'm so sad. It wasn't a part of it. Just because again tamer wasn't necessarily involved in the inner Macintoshes. I feel like if they if this had been a two hour episode, maybe we would have done more of it. But Mitch she she's star of week one in my opinion. And my might be quiet night. Surprisingly, so doing her best Ella Fitzgerald over the like, it's I love taymor to death. I think she's absolutely making this season. I need her to make finale night. At least in appointed w did not see at least a bit of taymor aside from her giant sunglasses that she chooses to why we didn't have a ton of filler other than the mooch. There's also aren't her. Biggest sunglass. She has an entire like visor. Yeah. Combination of like, the Geordie Lafforge visor and like a welder's Helga daft punk. Yeah. Yeah. That's what she was wearing this big confrontation with Ricky Williams more. She was like scream Ricky Williams used to wear visor on his football helmet. They should relate to that. Williams, like the tinted windows. I mean, there's been so much. There's been so much that they missed tame mar she got into a fight with candy a few days ago. That was fantastic. She then went off on Ricky about candy. She talked about being a big checks 'but. She was super excited about that. Then she, you know, she got into an argument with Ricky today that we saw she's been campaigning against candy. She's been paranoid about Tom and Kato, and when she was arguing Ricky they were talking about Ricky was saying that she had trust issues, and she was lying all have trust issues and Ricky's like no you have trust issues and choose like, no. And it was crazy that all happen. There's the rise and fall of Ricky he goes and he's playing the game. He's getting the women's turn on the on the men. But then he goes crazy and starts antagonizing Tom green because he hates them. All of a sudden HAMAs getting annoyed and Tom tries to flip the whole house and. And then people start turning on Tom. And and it's it's all craziness. So it's wonderful. It's good stuff. That's been happening on the show. But it's not. It's not Joe. Yeah. Well, who really we have five hours a week, but it's tough to get everything. Well, my my question is Tom green is the first Canadian to participate on the show Terron. Did he bring the big brother Canada at it style with him? At the reason why we got this episode tonight there it is. Yeah. I think I think I think you nailed it. I think you know that. To get a little bit of a taste of the Ricky versus Tom. I think I want to reenact this a little bit. I'm gonna play Ricky and Mike you can play Tom. And I know Mike that you've done some some comedy some improv comedy. So I just like you just do some right now for us. Oh, I mean, it's just like you don't usually just do this out of the blue like an audience audience come on. I mean, it's just like it's a little different from like a crowd at like the beater versus like to. What are you? Are. You scared Mike. What's happening? You shouldn't even be a comedian. If you're scared to perform like what? Before. Okay. I'll get into something here. All right. So all right. So I'll do this thing that takes place in Syria. You know, what I'm to political soup political? Don't even be a comedian. Then you know, deep down. You're just a prick. I I when I went to the show I want I wanted to. I just wanted to. I don't understand why you're in tagging is me like this. Where's the night Kato? Where's my? But boy, I got. Yeah. That's that's basically what's been happening between Ricky and Tom for no, no apparent reason. Well, I would think that we have a show on Sunday night. We have a show on Monday night, which I think we are expecting another Vic shin coming up soon. You gotta think that we will flash back to some of this stuff. I mean, big brother makes no bones about like, here's something that happened, you know, five days ago, let's play during this week. Even like at Jonathan Bennett out of these scenes, they they've done it before they could make the next episode. There's going to be an endurance competition for the wage. They could make the entire next episode. Just be endurance competition interlaced with flashbacks. And then the end of the episode is the winner of the interns competition. Sure, you could do a serial do do about stuff. Yeah. We only saw a glimmer of Ricky Williams tonight. We saw that. Blunt amount a small amount. It's a blunt a small amount. I found it to be a large amount. I mean, it really depends on where you are in the circle. I guess. Yeah. We saw regularly talking with the guys they were all on the same page about wanting to get Jonathan out of the house. Yes. Which you know, this is really Ricky's doing more than anyone. He's really gotten into the heads of Lolo and Natalie which has, you know, put some people off Tom in particular, but mostly just because Ricky's been weird with Tom. If Ricky wasn't being so weird with Tom. I'd say he's playing the best game in the house. But whatever reason he's being really weird with them. And like they're starting to call it out that like he he tries to force these really deep conversations on people Williams. Yeah. He's he like he just he needs to get into your head and get to the real reason behind things, but like against your will. And if you don't respond. He's mad at you and your faults, and it's it's very off putting. Yeah. Well, I think that's sort of makes sense. Where you know. Tom is a funny guy likes to keep things light and surface. And then Ricky Williams wants to go full on and have a lobotomy with you. And just those two styles. Don't mesh. Difference between giving like really getting interest with somebody and just hack leading. Somebody like Ricky Williams was doing and needling somebody. I don't know. I come from a certain perspective on this. Because someone who's working the creative arts it annoys me actually did have a situation very similar to this like ten years ago. Right. A friend of a friend be like, oh, yeah. Comedy. Can you tell me a joke? And I mean, tearing you made a very apt comparison on the morning date when you compare it to like someone asking a singer to randomly singer snatch bars like performers should not always have to be on. Okay. For for your enjoyment. There's a there's a reason why you have your time and place to do your thing. I know there aren't any app compares Tom tried to draw the loose comparison of like well one hundred go play football on the old rock around. But he could very easily do that. It's just it's a pet peeve of mine. So that annoy me I totally agreed. It's astounding to watch Ricky's just penchant for getting. I don't know getting people to voice their own opinions. And how that also brought the target out on himself. It's just insane. How what only a few days can do in the big brother house with this group of loonies and truly is amazing. It would be like like if if I was on this podcast like all, right? Rob. I know that you think this was all just a cover up for the mooch. But why do you really think that rob? Like what what is what is the real reason behind this probably because that there's not another logical explanation for what ultimately happened? I understand that route. But let's go deeper. Let's go deeper. Okay. Let's what's why why do you think? There's no logical explanation. And it just continues eventually say, you know, what I think it'd be SME. I don't take. And that's that's what really sets taymor off as when you know you. He's basically just says if you don't give me the try once I'm going to accuse you of purposely bury me under a pile of poop, like Tamar, experienced betrayal in your life. Having shoe. You have some major trust issue. What are you talking about you lunatic? All right. More more on Ricky Williams to come tonight. We saw a lock the in Lolo also discuss some of their beef that as a former team USA members that locked e tried to smooth things over with low low tonight after she was under the impression that he was going to try to back door her so Laki had to think fast think on his feet. So when low low asked if he was going to back door her he had to come up with something. Yeah. But you have been back toward. Talking about. I loved the diver room his like comical cartoony sound effects. Look like, oh, no. What do I do? I feel like he essentially doing the inner monologue of a dog. No you see own. That's a bone. Yeah. Boy locked the having to think fast and Taryn I think what is the most fun about this situation. Is that locked e is now divorced from the brains of the operation. This was locked the on a week where Jonathan was whispering in his ear. Here's what we're doing next. Here's what we're doing next. Now lock the is flying solo. Yeah. What is a back door. I don't even I think that you probably are mistaken about that thing back back door door. Yeah. I I didn't back to our youth. In the beginning episode who's like devoted some point. Yeah. I've been locked. He is really confused about what happened with the much. Really, I know he had a big blindside base. But I feel like that might have been just a late reaction to the boots reveal conviction forty seven votes. Thought they were gonna be a a lot a lot. Okay. All right Terron. Wha what's the outlook on the house? Now that Jonathan is gone. But there was a big block that voted together. Where do we go from here? It really depends on whoever wins h h basically, Tom and Kato are tentatively working with Natalie and Lolo. Tom and Kato a little more loyal to Natalie and Lolo than Natalie. Lou arts of them, Ricky is more tightly working with those two women Ricky and Tom still have some tension Tae. Mar weirdly as paranoid about Tom in Kato. So she could potentially go after them the women would love to back door. Ryan Ricky would love to back door. Ryan Tae mar would love to get candy out. Dna is just like, wait Jonathan's gone. And I'm pretty sure that covers all oh. Oh, I have one of the conspiracy theory tonight, this one is that goes back to why Jonathan had to save Dina tied to save, Diana. Okay. So Dina low Hans name had been leaked as one of the people that was rumored. She was one of the few people on those lists that actually was in fact, somebody who was out there. And so I wonder Jade to Jonathan Bennett, contact Lindsey Lowe hand or or or Diana low hand, and then did Lindsey lo Han say something to the effect of. If if you do anything, if you get my mom voted out, you're not in mean, girls two. If that possible, I'm gonna get Ozzy to beat you up. You're you're not in mean, girls two Mike is that is that a threat? He's like he's like Lindsey will kill me. Yeah. I mean, I think that's some real blackmail or pink mail on a Wednesday. The one thing she had over him. Yeah. I mean, it could be good not seem that close. I guess, you know, he he might have sacrificed his game to protect diner. Logan. And unfortunately, you know. Wasn't worth it to bring back errand Samuels become like, you know, like Jesse and pitch. Perfect two and be relegated to a background cameo. Despite being a supporting character or like, mama Mia. Here we go again Rob's favorite films from the shuffling around the characters people always weird. But I would love I think, you know, if we if we find Jonathan Bennett washed up on me Kono's sometime soon. We'll know that the deal went south. Okay. Taryn you buying this. Jonathan one hundred percent contacted Dina preseason I guarantee it. Yup. Priests pre-game alliances. They do you know, good Taryn. Well, they can they can but more often than not I you know, I say four out of five times they end up screwing you well interesting that the pre-game the pre-game animosity has now superseded the same alive. Well, pre-game feud is worse than pre-game alliance. I don't know pre-game feud gotta Danny and dicta not to the final two. Well, that's the one time. President twenty percent of them. We're working in the opposite direction on that one. Yeah. Okay. All right. We have a live competition going on that we will bring you an update in a little bit. If that competition overturn no it hasn't even started. The feeds recently went to two old clips. So I assume they are getting in position as we speak moving its position. Okay. All right. So that we should have a long night ahead of us in terms of what's going to happen. Let's bring in some questions from you guys tonight. Here is our first question if mooch could only give them six days, and they were two houseguests that were pulled into last minute. Is it safe to say that they really had no one to put on the show. Well, I think there's also a couple of other interesting things that speak to that. I feel like that the mooch wanted to leave. I don't think that that the show was complicit in terms of. Hey, just come for six days, we'll mess around for a little bit. And then you can leave. I think he said he wanted to leave and they were like give us some time. Let's let's let's at least try to make this look like this part of the plan, but Taryn that we did have the gender imbalance to start the show, which I think is a point in the favor of that mid maybe this was the plan the whole time where the seven men and five women and also last season's cast was eleven people. This was twelve. Yeah. And in terms of the jury they've never had an even number jury. That I do subscribe to that that it was planned ahead of time. I did they have trouble finding people to be on the show. I don't think. So I mean, you know, whether or not the rumors are true that they had last second change arounds. I don't think that really matters. There's plenty of celebrities that haven't been on television in ten years. So. They've got plenty of choose from. Okay. All right. Let's take another question. This one is from Merial was this production fail-safe plan for celebrity quitters all along. Yeah. So the next time we hear this sound when we know. Oh, breaking news RA. Football player. Ricky Williams has an update for everybody. Will his background being? So the American flag will be like I dunno game footage. Sundays the Super Bowl behind him. I it's interesting. I mean, could you imagine if they instituted this last season and Metta world peace was a real does the mole. I feel like that would actually make a lot of sense in terms of his first start with key show of. Kisha? Knight poli umn determines out everybody. Guess what you thought she was playing. But this Cosby kid was part of one of the biggest twist that we've ever had her breast milk has been depleting here to tell you all about it. Guys. I totally got you. You thought I was here. But I'm not I can leave my kids crazy. We'll see we'll see we got that on the back burner. Watch out. All right. Let's take another question. This one is from warmer listeners that absolute disaster has obsolete disaster. Julia said Ryan could only vote in the event of tie. But there are seven votes, which leads me to leave that she was auto reading cards. If the mooch was still in the house thoughts, if you think they're writing the cue cards for the teleprompter for the vision five days before come on come on. There could have been time because there are three nominees. That's why that's why they're talking about a conspiracy theory that they're writing the the prompt or days ahead. But that's an interesting point though. 'cause I mean, like we talked about we obviously know what happens now survivor final tribal council there's a tie between two people. But if the vote was type three three one does Brian get tie-breaking vote. Or does the person who voted for Joey gets laurel situation by the vote? And that's that's what Julia was saying. They don't let the one person to vote. No. Of course, they were already deciding vote and they chose to go somewhere else. Anyone? Okay. No, the person that got one vote like laurel Joey Lawrence, you get to choose who stays Joey laurel. Okay. All right. Let's go. Let's go to next question. It's one is from Jared. What's a sworn heart? Low low is making up words. She gave her sworn heart to somebody. Jared hanging on lo-lose every word. Okay. Let's go from the wizard. Kelly y'all please call out Julie for trying to deflect Jonathan away from blaming the twist. I know it didn't matter at this point. But I just wanna hear y'all say, please R H A P. So we're talking about where he was like I got screwed by the twist. She's like, no, no, no, no. We you had an unprecedented number of chances. You blew it. Yeah. You blew Jonathan. They love making the twists screw people and talking about like, hey, and never know. But then when a player actually says, well, I feel like the twist is what caused my demise. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. No, no. This is big brother will always a way out. There was always a way out. You don't wanna hear it? Stop it. Expect the unexpected essentially like a verbal contract and players enter into big brother right to say. Like, hey, you know, what you signed up for this? No matter what happens to you. We are not responsible. It's all your own doing. Yeah. Now Jonathan did get screwed by a twist, but also played very poorly this week. It can be both things. It can be. You're you're both right. You're both right. Yeah. Well, and it usually usually intertwined because getting screwed by twist we'll often influence your game play in in the negative because you're put in an adverse situation that will make it a lot harder to play out of. Okay. How about this question from Jessica says, what food would you like to see tame are eat neck, so far we've seen grapes and bake in that taymor eats a lot in the dire room. Mike. I mean, look they're very loose. With the diary Tom green brought a beer in there a couple of days ago. I think they've sort of relaxed the food and drink restriction. Maybe it's because they were able to clean out all the ants from BB twenty but Winston bring coffee and there all the time. Yeah. I'm here for just tracking Tae Mars going for maybe she's trying to to get into the competitive eating once you get like Joey chestnut. She'll become Joey partner on the next season of the amazing race. Yeah. Okay. Interesting interesting. Let's take a couple more questions here. This is one from Elissa seem like people were asking who voted for whom right before the episode ended should Dina blame her vote on taymor could create major fireworks again between taymor candy Taryn. Will we see a Diana lo Han Hanky vote? No is not only not capable of that. But everyone already knew that she would be voting the way that she voted. So not not really in the cards. Okay. All right. Let's take another question. This one is from the great Bill meth laying who will swing in and manipulate Ryan now. Ooh, yes. Mike locked e is a free agent. Yeah. I would say honestly, I could see a Lolo trying to pick team USA back together. You could say, you know, we were down for a little bit. I had a sworn heart. But I'm Ray pitch that heart back up now that we both. Know what a back door is. I think that'd be can make the promise not to do it to each other. Because I think that portable lows consternation and the flicking off as Ryan put it was because she had been feeling jealous over the other guy over Jonathan relationship with him now that he's out of the picture she can swoop in again and take control him. So I think that you know, I know that the girls plan is to back door Ryan but much like Jones and stuck his neck out to defend to Ben Dino. I've wonder if I wonder if blow my possibly stick our neck out to defend Ryan concerned that there's a good chance. Get him back in her pocket. Here's a question from Anthony says is big brother a team sport. Have they brought back. The team twist. What was Jonathan talking about uterine? That was a weird speech. That's basically been his campaigning strategy throughout the week is instead of like talking to people about what's actually happening. He's just like, hey, you know, what? My favorite three words are like teamwork loyalty and not betraying your alliance members. That's really what I'm thinking about a lot these days. And that's what that's speech was about. Like, I'm all about the team the team should be sticking up for me. And if the that's really important to me is teamwork and teen stuff in alliances and don't vote me out alliance members, please or I will be a bitter. Basically the opposite of Ricky Williams who played on a team radically. Well that brings up a question though. Because I guess now now that last season had confirmed that everyone who got voted out is going to the jury Jillian firmness tonight. I mean, can we prognosticate how Jonathan might boat in a couple of weeks time or just like how we might behave as a juror. I mean, I think that he's the kind of person he when he when he got voted out. He's like, it's okay. It's okay guys. Like, I think he will try to remain objective as possible. But this is big brother celebrity, and I think that niceness wins big brother celebrity. I think that even if Ryan even Jonathan is trying to vote not bitter. I think that there will be reasons to vote for the person that was nicer who didn't portray as much, and I think that's just a symptom of watching the entire show back and everyone being a celebrity with massive ego. So on. When I'm looking at the candidates here. I'm almost just eliminating people who are trash talking too much in the diary room. I think the people like DNA Joey. You know, the people who aren't really saying bad things about other people in Germain positive. Those are the people you need to look out for in terms of endgame threats. Yeah. Very important. Keep on feeding the positive in the big brother house all the celebrities make sure five hundred thousand dollars in your Bank account, very important. I mean, it's interesting though, because I also wonder though, in terms of feeding the ego. I mean, we do get in this episode. You have Tom and Lolo in Kato saying like Johnson's a really big threat is he's so you know, he's so keen for this game. We need to get rid of him. I wonder if that might endear them to him in interest. Speaking of like, well, you didn't get rid of me because I wasn't knowing you got to me because I was I feel like reality TV, people do get a certain like I dunno ecstasy from the fact that like, oh they run him because they thought I could win that's delightful. I'm such a good dad that goes Shannon last season. That's true. I mean, basically what happened with Shannon is that they called her such a big threat. And then behind your back when the feeds were still on they were trash talking at every given unity. That's happened a little bit with Natalie and Lolo they've been kind of mean toward Jonathan but also a little bit respectful and a little bit feeling bad. Somebody like Tom did really well here where he's like I like Jonathan he's such a great guy. Even though I'm going to be voting him out. Yeah. And that kind of stuff is going to work. Well is going to be fine. And the jury in for for the jury, so yeah, he slogans Cato's can only imagine how. Tired? I think you're right because I think that it has the tie back into the narrative of the mean girls movie where it's like you guys. We're nice. He didn't let me sit at your table. So you guys talk the most trash guys little plastic. So I'm gonna vote for the people that were nice. I mean, if this was the mean girls narrative, the final two would break up the check and pass it around to everybody at the end. They're all they're all big brother winters at the end of the day. We'll see we'll see. Let's skip that next question Scott, and let's go to mister robot Taryn, which celebrity house guests is the most boring. Oh, not gonna get me with that one mister robot Taryn nice try. Elizabeth canot any significance to the lack of exit interviews. No chance of battle BAC is going to be out there. Mike, can you can you speak to that? Are they going to be any exit interviews for big brother? Yeah. A little bit canal. Consider me a dog base mooch headline because that is fake news. I will I will be doing exit press for big brother celebrity edition this season. I'll be doing exit press usually the day after the live show of for instance, talking with John Bennett tomorrow about all of this and get that out the day after as well and also to I'm sure at even more punctuation marks the giant question Mark that the mooch is departure left. You're in this episode. I will be speaking to him briefly on Monday as well. So be sure to check out parade dot com. All of your celebrity big brother needs, including a much sought after interview with Anthony scare move. Okay. Yes. And. Follow at a Mike bloom type on Twitter to make sure you don't miss any of those. And I'm sure we'll lots of questions for the mooch figure out some questions that we can ask that will like make sure we get the truth. Okay. I liked it. So it's ideal. Smart director of communication afraid Ricky into really just like drill for my interview time tough tough interviewer around. Ricky Williams did Jonathan pay the price to Ross's reaching the final to this. And we talk about with Ian, and Steve ultimately Cameron paid that invoice Taryn that did Jonathan pay the price for Ross reaching the end or with as a symptom of hey, oh, we gotta watch out for Shannon. This is the person who fits that archetype. I think that Jonathan learned the wrong lesson from Shannon in he tried to underplay which was bad. He needed to play more. He didn't play enough. And I think that he paid for the mooch not being a real player. And I think he paid for the the guy that needs to justify job and making all these twists, okay? What happens if this is a week where the mooch is a real player. Hypothetically speaking, if the mooch was a real player who played this week outturn. There wouldn't have been a second veto life. So you okay. Tom green. Basically, Tom green goes home. I'm pretty sure he was gone. Granted. It's hard to say because we did not have feeds and we got almost nothing from the show about what happened before the candy nomination. I still don't even know why candy was nominated. They haven't explained it on the feeds kid knows either. When he was just like, we don't really talk that much overly. Well, the explanation that locked gave on the show was that we need to make the women think we're still with them. So that was the joy Lawrence one. Did he have an explanation candy? I don't remember. Oh, he's just said that we didn't. We didn't buy we weren't inviting. He said to the rest of the house, but like they were supposed to be an alliance. Yes. Unlike candies business enterprise, he was not vibe ING. Yeah. So I guess I mean, that's like a classic like I h thing. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. Classic in the sense that it happened to Cody to and he had to nominate five. Okay. All right. It's a good question. I mean, I guess if we compare the great Jillian clean of Tijuana end Jonathan here who do we think was more Jillian Larsen? Not me a bummer that she was not mentioned. I don't know. I'm sure Joey Lawrence is perturbed by all the elephant bathroom business going on. Yes. But yeah, I mean, I guess because I mean, it's a great comparison between be nineteen and big brother too. But I think we made points about how Jonathan could have worked himself out of a bunch of situations. Do you feel like Jillian have the same chances it really comparable in that perspective? I mean, I feel like Jillian was less screwed in that she was more likely to leave without those things happening. The twisted help a guy with a beard. Both times. Gunship and really the kind of player that you look at in terms of judging how she did strategically because she wasn't really doing a whole lot about was very Gump easy. All right. That julie. Was that Julie Chen reading it? Yes. Yes. Okay. All right here. We are. Tearing by the way, big brother celebrities season two. What do you think thumbs up thumbs down, you're enjoying it? So far I like the cast. I think that it has potential moving forward. Now that we're through this nonsense of the first week. I think that so far the episodes have not been super thrilling to me. I'm looking forward to to move forward from from what we've just experienced in in complete fairness you and detailed everything that they had to get through in this episode tonight. Like, this was a tall order to to get to everything and get caught up to the present. Yes. Which in forty two minutes, poor planning like why is it was bad that it feeds have been pretty good. I enjoyed what I've been seeing on the feeds if that had been in the episode, I would've enjoyed the episode a lot and I would be very high on the season. I think. I think poor ten twelve for the rest of the than we might have David Francis. Or whatever his name is coming to throw some some late. Breaking twist our way. But yeah, I totally down on the cast. I mean, this is just God everyone is making horrible decision. But but in in one person's case twenty wrong is going to make a right, and I'm someone who bathes in the chaos of it. Yeah. So I am I'm super premium Lii enjoying this season. And just all the greatness that this cast provides it's being so much fun to watch even a week in and for those of you who are saying like, okay now, we're going to get this alliance of and any and low and tame our steamrolling gun. No. That thing is held together with popsicle sticks. Elmer's it's going to the first like second glance against my this is the brand steel big brother. Yes, we got survivor South Africa as the survivor brain stealing moved over to big brother buy. Yes. Celebrity brothers. Should be train wreck. The. Tweet. I tweeted out earlier today. I don't think I've ever seen a cast where almost every single player is making the wrong decision for their game. But the right decisions us, right? And it's like like every single one of them is making the wrong decision. And it's it's cra- even the ones that are that are ending up making doing the right thing doing in the wrong way. There's not a single player in this house that I'm like they've got it figured out. They made the right decision. No. They're all making wrong decisions. Great great. Okay. We're going to be a back here. It's all the same to you guys. We'll have another live show on Sunday night after the episode airing on Sunday night. And then we'll be back again Also Monday night, so Sunday, we take one night off for Saturday Sunday night and Monday night. We've got some really great guests coming up this next week or so we'll be here with us on Sunday night. But Karen takes zero days off he will be back with you tomorrow morning. Talk about another busy day on the feeds. Okay. Forgot we have a card for that. Yes. Son that join Tarun tomorrow morning Taryn any difference in the time on the weekends. No, eleven AM all the way through all the way through of course. And then Sunday morning as well. Join Taryn for the live feed update all those are streamed. You can of course, watch it live on our YouTube channel periscope Facebook twitch, go to RJ dot live to go there anytime if you don't have to link though, also be up on Rob's website. Podcast to be posted. Shortly thereafter, then Sunday night. I will be back nine fifteen pm eastern time. We'll be joined by special guests Kirsten McInnis on very another fun week of the celebrity big, brother. Of course, big thanks to our patrons of Roba's podcasts who make all of this podcasting possible. Five years in counting for the patrons of rob as a podcast. Thank you guys so much for all of your support of these crazy shows, and of course, it's more about the benefits of becoming part of the rods podcast patriot community Rob's website at com slash patron for more information. Okay. Mic. So nice to catch up with you here during celebrity big, brother. Yeah. This is so much fun. Again. I think that hopefully, we can move on from we can all emit with a pretty stupid twist and just sort of move on into the glorious this that is going to be the rest of celebrity big, brother. This is going to be so much when I'm so excited to cover it by. Interviews again, this cast seems logo and I'm just excited to get into their heads as much as I can't figure out what's going on either logically or illogically in there. So I'm ready just sort of like, keep deepening myself into this lovely lovely quagmire. That is celebrity big brother diggity. The family guy. Whoa, quagmire. I'm not saying I'm not gonna I'm not maybe if I win by winnow say, but that. Not going to. Thank you all so much for giving me this gig. That I was on the Cleveland show. I was on a of stuff was he on the Cleveland show. Mike short. Animation. Don domination. You are a lot of crossover in the McFarland extended universe. We'll do that. Indie McFarland brain steel big brothers season. That's coming up soon as long as it's not the Billy McFarland extended universe. At the next fry fest fire festival. God. That's that's a survivor simulation. All right Taryn. What what else is going on tonight live H competition s the H competition should be starting soon. So I will be going live on twitch to watch that. If you guys are interested in watching long, you can find me on twitch Taryn Armstrong on twitch TV slash turn Armstrong. And. Yeah, the update we've got the stock watch if you are patron that I think they started up the patron stock watch game. So you can go and check that it. I've got my bids in intern. There you go. I don't I don't want to do some insider trading here. What are you Michael lo Han, exactly? But do you think there's a chance that any of you will give a nine or a ten to any celebrity in these three weeks, not likely? So. So it is not to get too much into the stock. But is it based on that the like a like a celebrity nine or it's like, well if they were in a real season, they would be toast. So I can only give them a six, and I think you need you all my philosophy. Is you need to leave room for improvements? If there ever is a celebrity that's worthy of nine or a ten then I need to leave those ratings for that celebrity. That's not on this season. Okay. All right interesting. All right. So great some everybody thinks much to Scott saint-pierre behind the scenes, we'll be back live with you on Sunday night. After the next episode. They have a good one by.

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Rocketman Live Special  In Conversation With Taron Egerton And Dexter Fletcher

The Empire Film Podcast

1:08:32 hr | 11 months ago

Rocketman Live Special In Conversation With Taron Egerton And Dexter Fletcher

"Hulo poured I'm Chris Hewitt and welcome to this very special live edition of the Empire. NPR podcast earlier in the year. When Dexter Fletcher's rocket man the movie turns Elton? John's life story into musical using his own music as a soundtrack and narrative backbone a world away for more. anodyne straight down the middle musical bio-pics. I could mention I was so taken by the movie that we dedicated indicated a spoiler special podcast featuring an interview with Mr Fletcher Latte by the way is still available for you to listen to wherever you cast your pods but put another big fish remain. Elusive Taryn Edgerton. The man he plays Elton John So wonderfully in the film. We try to make something happen for the pod but couldn't quite get it off the ground until it is a couple of weeks ago when both Taryn and Dexter kind enough to pop along to a very special live. PODCAST interview following screen of rocket man at the picture house central in London. You're about to hear a virtually unedited version of like you even a I've taken on a few items and is But otherwise if you weren't lucky enough to be one of the three hundred people in the audience at night this is nine hundred ninety nine point nine percent of what they said and it was a lot of fun along with some interesting insights into the process process of making rocket Ben since outlined Taryn has of course been nominated for a Golden Globe for his performance. But as you're about to hear we started off talk of another major nomination enjoy good. That's so spontaneous Amazing I'm Chris Hewitt and welcome to the latest in our very special and ferry occasional empire. PODCAST live interview specials. I should stop using the word special in these things. This one is dedicated to one of my favorite films of so if this year rocket man. Oh yes a musical by pick rips up the rule book to tell the life story or half the life story of the artist formerly known as Reginald. Dwight Elton John. You guys have just watched the movie again. which is good because we're going to go full? Spoilers with our guests rightfully off speaking of guests I for ages. Well about different issues for this tonight. You know things like choose day nights all right for podcasting or are you ready. Are you ready for Paul or I. Guess that's why they call it podcasting but there's no need for that not simply say. Please welcome the men behind rocket man. It's director and star Dexter Fletcher Entire Edgerton. Aw Aw thank you well. Well I'm going to go for a week. So when Dexter goes off but I will be back by. Introduction was about twenty five minutes long you could have just go in the welcome guys. Thank you so much for doing this. And not just says the podcast but tarn congratulations on your grammy nomination. Thank you yeah that one. I really didn't see that one coming by sea in that green old. That is legal. The E got Egon. The go-to hardest wanting to get for all right. Let's go ahead. Sorry I just heard that the other day and I was like all right. Yeah it was Jamie Belew said it to me. The the Eagle is the one. NBC was definitely slightly envious. Because he doesn't have to talk sorry of jumps. So it's It's Grammy Oscar Oscar. Tony an empire awards. I believe. That's the let's see so if you get the grammy tire and you're halfway there. Yeah I'm I'm up against a little known performer called Lady Gaga. So I think this might be a lovely so not necessarily working on the acceptance speech just yet not just it yet okay. Well it's all part of the wonderful journey that you guys have been almond this movie We were just talking. You know you've been everywhere everywhere you've been doing. QNA's Lay New York on the award circuits and some pretty interesting people Al Pacino for example you know following white wears whereas whereas tavern Oh my God. I've seen it seven times that movie. He's Great Taryn so this is true where no it was fine him whereas he it was it was a bit like that. Yeah it was. Yeah Basin awesome models life. How is how much Pacino? You know what he was So of quite Twin Clyde and cuddly the league not the sort of the the shocks that you would expect from you know what scarface or whatever you know. No he genuinely loved tale misery wants coming over is excited. I I did work with many years ago. as as thirty plus years ago and and so I think he he's so you know he was a connection there which is great. I mean I see him regularly gone so that we hang out but he I think there is an element of where I saw. Not long sounds great and that Kid Taryn you know. He's an incredible. And I think that there's a genuine warmth and support and you know if you if you love a musical and you loved film. It's it's something that's hard to hide. So as is this bin this whole experience right from right from the beginning. When you meeting Elton John for example has has it been filled with? I can't quite believe this is happening. Pinch me moments. Yeah of course I mean I think obviously the virtue of Elton's fame and legacy The there was a lot of attention on the movie. But I think for us. It felt like such a It felt like such a personal experience for us and the and the creative team and on the board team working on the movie the crews while you know who we work the law on other things and it's just weird kind of thing where alchemy of really happy time which can often mean the movie or making isn't very good on this occasion. It didn't feel like that. It felt like a lovely bland. People feeling really happy happy to go to work but also really passionate and focused and like good hard work. It was what was hard but it was the building building a wall something really primal and satisfying putting up some shelves Boba Song but yeah got to put up shops. But he can't think I'm so it's lovely. Something felt incredibly personal. Oh to US had so many is on and has been you know full of Pincher Marmots in the movie Kmart you know some some of the people who got in touch with us. Would you know I I. I don't know how these people get your email. But but you know Tom Hanks and and Joaquin Phoenix and Ohio is a well known hacker. He just Tom and for me and of course taxes well but you know for me particularly with those two guys who you know. I grew up watching coaching and being passionate about actors. When you've got an email from those guys Approving in expressing their love of the film. It's it's it's validation relation. I can't quite describe really and then you know throughout in on the subject of pinch me moments you know I. I've talked about this in the press for on my birthday. Elton took me to see the singer named Brandi Carlile perform Joni Mitchell's blue and johnny was there and I hugged her and then I went to a house for jam session and I sang tiny dancer in her living room for her with Elton John So it's been it's been or how much did fucking ludicrous. But I'd spend any any credible tried to block certain our lives in those very long winded way of saying it's been it's been enchanting. I tried to get you guys. We did a live tour recently and we went to Belfast. And I I tried to get you guys. That goes to Belfast. And I was told available I was okay and it was October seventeenth has I am sure there may be doing a Qa or something somewhere on the next day. I got up an October. Eighteenth saluted your instagram feed. And you had been singing live with Elton John in L. A.. I thought as excuses go. That's a pretty good one. That's all right. Yeah that was cool. We've had a a screening of the movie with a live orchestra. Turn out in the night came out and sang at the end and It was lovely so it kind of was swansong celebration celebration for the film really I don't think we've recording more celebrations of feminist. But it's been a really it's been a lovely we've had a few of these really magical screenings where we've been able to share it in a way. That feels quite special and seeing an amazing people come. Johnny was at that one as well. That was towns I was Pete Townsend and and he said Oh oh hey jason stay. The Missouri cried. He's GonNa hate. I saw these very toughly. Your march for came came after red is quite quite emotional. Yeah yeah that was the idea really emotional. You'll beginning such an angry email from state and now it's your income. That's amazing so when you when you're singing. How many times you sung and now with Elton John? It's being publicly for four times on privately Maybe it maybe. Seven four hundred doesn't like to rehearse which really stresses me out but No he he doesn't do a great Taylor singing off stage okay. What do you think that night? We sang the song from the movie from the credit. So I'm GonNa love me again and we'll saying don't let the sun go down on me which I've always wanted wanted to do and and I really wanted to. Because when we started the process it was one of the two songs we recorded. Abbey Road wasn't The first test for the movie and couldn't do it it just it it flips up. I think it's by a fifth that musical The end it's a big Heino and And I remember that when we started I couldn't hit and I really wanted to. Do it. Live to prove myself so I could. We did and I did. It's been a long long process from where we where we started. I mean really you know. There's this questions about the genesis of the film. When did it come round and all that sort of stuff and there's obviously story about about Taryn and Elton and Matt Yvonne will being on the set together of Kingsman to and obviously a discussion start around a piano there or whatever it was about the possibilities of rocket man the scriptures around and which is a well and good and and I was fortunate after they brought me on as well but what we really had to do to get the studio really behind it and revise the money and really give the film? Momentum was get Taryn in front of a Piano Abbey Road Studios Jaws Mall in Apple Juice. Aw and get him to sing. These songs and I went down there with cameraman as well when we shot. You know very simply Taryn at the piano singing. These songs live which we then together And that is what got us the money matthew then took that each over to paramount in La. And I went great when making this movie and so that was really the the defining which is the time that tyrants talked about and from there to where you see him on the stage the Greek singing that now on stage with an no and go. Wow that was eighteen months that was a bit of a roller coaster because it was pretty much that so of that quick that it will happen so that happens you get the money and and then you're in pretty much right away. Scripts scripts their scripts done. Yeah let's say you gotta go okay. We're interested in giving you the money which is different. I'm from them to you know obviously this hoops. You jump through. Then the script starts to get worked on and and this that those of questions to be asked and You start working with an executive of the studio but then you get to about three or four months out and the money has to start rolling. They release a little bit of cash. Flow you set up the offices and you thought imploring people when but still rather sketchy in nebulous and Yeah You keep sending Taranov. The Piano keeps. He's kind of the studio and then more nobody slowly builds and builds but it's funny because certain amounts of money get released at certain milestones. It's not like they just give it all to in one go and you go great and you start. Don't allow it's a process of earning if you like and so turned during this this Prospero the spiral. I wouldn't just throw forty three million dollars a year on very trust him. Give me your money. So what are you doing during this period during this period of winning where dexter slowly but surely putting the film together so he's playing with different ideas a different position and of songs and trying different scene ideas there's quite structure that Lee Holton as is always the case director who things around and and and put their own standpoint and meanwhile I'm older you were there as well in studio with Giles but just intimately coming in and out. You know I I was pretty pretty consistently either Abbey road or ass studios with Charles just strengthening voice Learning Piano are there as well and And just trying out ideas for me. It was a useful rehearsal not just because of strengthening your voice and technically. It's about what what. What is the companies say? What's my motivation was the what's the what is the content? What's the what's the salt behind the lyrics so you take the lyric you just recited and push out into the air? You have to put an intention in an idea behind it. And and the beautiful thing about Bernie's lyrics are they are they. They're this poetry to the Manet. They've got that wonderful quality of being sort of open to interpretation tation Skelton Bernie or Benny and the jets means they both shrug the glorious thing about that. Is You know with something like that. That sort of a little bit nebulous. We can tailor it to our own purpose so you know I mean something like this hunger. Downer meets pretty clear but You know goodbye. Yellow brick road is about saying goodbye in all moving. What are they intended it but an movie? It's about saying goodbye to a lifestyle staw is causing you pain and saying goodbye to your demons and you know seventy looks in the Marines So what do you think you'll do but that will shoot down your plane you. He's experimenting with the idea of taking the plunge in going to rehab. But it's GonNa you know it's a scary scary leap Tyke so for me. The the time spent withdraws reservoir kind of playing with those ideas really and and figuring out what attitude is going to be behind the lyrics and what those lyrics meant to my version of Elton at that point in the story and did that affect anything in the finished movie in terms of the choice of songs way songs were deployed. When you're listening to what turns doing anything go? Maybe the has a bit more emotional resonance and maybe I'll move it up. Move things around I- spos- It of course as impacts your you know even going looking location can have an impact on now you suddenly visualize a scene or sequence to be you know in rocket man. There's this I think is a lovely the moment when he goes past the window when he's on the stretcher and they pick him up by dance with the muscles almost kind from a visit to a post office us for some completely different. Just post office in Greenford is the truth of it bites you know with a bit of Wizardry you can make a gospel window in La and but that was bone. I was looking for that idea looking for something strong. Visually to make that transformation happen but similarly with with the songs and I think what Tarand's alluding to he's actually is the throughout that process of which happens recording and learning the songs and experiment with his voice because we're Taryn was with. His voice was a very different place from where we started to where he ended up. You know everyone has a particular kind of rocky Girl in his voice the Taryn hat to investigate in his voice and find and develop which is absolutely right but also all of the songs were placed where they were and found their emotional content which is something that we discussed the length during the process before the process. You Know Walis recording. That's why I went there as much as I could. I I believe the Taryn found a lot of what these huge emotional markers were the songs. A huge emotional bates in the film. And and what were as he recorded those but then fantastic did is he strong. The move together emotionally throughout those dramatic scenes in those scenes in the Rehab and all of that was the real mastery of of what he did on die but he had these kind of signposts along the way and That's what came out of that but so the songs once I decided where they were I was like no I want love. Is there because we need everyone to talk about wanting in love and there was nowhere else to go. The songs found their place in the that was quite rigid but it gave Taryn these absolute salute kind of milestones emotionally which is very important I I always like to ask about first days because one thing and that seems to spring from that is that most people are terrified of under. I I turn your first day as reg. Dwight's more onset onset also. It was a lot that it was a lot I think because we we we think you had which shed scheduled the trueblue stuff. I way and I think in many respects doing that crocodile rock number. I is real wisdom because it's the sort of baptism of fire the theory. But there's a moment of chaos backstage before all of that and it and it that talk about fucking imitating life it was just go it was just crazy you know some. We rented enclosed space and everyone was just a toilet in Toyota. And you know I'm supposed to be behaving like a crazy person but for some reason everybody else on set with behavior like crazy people as it's just sort of mania and I think we I think we were all a bit overexcited and as you and I are slightly prone to a bit of an and I think just I think the enormity. Let's give it just folks you know it was like over here with it you know. And it was crazy. People finding their spice funny and so there was the only towns for several James. I I and Charlie rose I I I think as well it's it's it's the movie is about. It's totally about as near to Fox as we get the hallway through and so does nowhere else in the movie that we so go to that place where it's really quite comedic. So at the end of the day I was a bit like won't fucking movie we make and I was I was fined and then you know wasn't long before I'm blaby new drugs or something and we're back in this movie over the next couple of days. Was You flew that you did cook. They are and then we started. Sorry it's where you started the crocodile rock. Yeah Saturday to yeah. So he was then and figuring out how to make everyone in you'd w. tipped off the ground so that zone galvanized the in a different way because we went when it works we went. ooh Alex Rico. You know I mean so well and good in theory on paper but when you think I think I think is lead actor to a certain extent in a different way to the director but you still feel that you want to take the reins of it and you WanNa Kinda driving hyphen and commanding. It and I just felt like faulk an hour. I'd go homework doll rock. It was Iraq the moment in the film where the character has to take the reins so there was a bit of meat doing as the actors. Well I think I immediately relaxed a plan that that's your your master scheduling. I was presumed data giving too much credit sequences really illustrative for a number of reasons. First of all did acuity last week for Rug Mama David Furnish and he said that Michael Stipe of Rem A had emailed him after seeing the film and said that scene captured more accurately the feeling of being on stage than anything else he'd ever seen or heard did you. Were you aware of that the X.. No I've just heard it now because I'm not sure if chuffed idea come from the. Do floating well. There's a there's a very classic picture of that particular gig jumped horizontally from his keyboard with his legs up behind which we kind of allude so in some press clippings and I think that was obviously my head and first of all I just wrote. I was just thinking about the sensation of of of going over a roller coaster. You know this. This is the start of the roller coaster. I think this is started. The right phrase. It's going to be a wild ride. Comes out in the film as well and and I about that and I thought about that moment of when you go over the top when you saw lift off the ground and then in if we do live performance on stage which. I've been lucky enough to do my time. There is sometimes a moment in performance where everything else disappears and his view and is the audience in this the moment woman. And there's the performance that's going on and it's something just great happens and you so forget about everything else. And so very connective. And and it's very very hard to articulate as on struggling do now even but bats it does have a feeling and the feeling is like everyone lives off the ground and hangs for a moment and I just got literal about it and I said on. That's why I wrote. Everyone lifts off the ground the audience and suspend them he suspends them with his performance. The the moment is the magic of Guy I can do this and having that incredible feeding and that elevating everyone who's there present in that moment and so then there was talk about are we could do it in slow motion you know everybody jumps we filmed a thousand frames a second and I and I was like no because that looks wrong because it looks like everybody's in slow motion and that's so what happens. What happens is that we lift off in that moment of creativity and excitement? And you know exuberance and something brilliant being realized when nerves food away and self doubt and all those other things get in the way of of creativity and I suppose it's just me kind of thing around that and I had more Sovan in a small puppy versus sixty people I was doing apply. And just wow what happened. That was amazing until I was really kind of about that. And he's right. Yeah Yeah Yeah that. That's the feeling and I suppose that's Michael's responding to the Taryn goes. This is the moment. Someone is That that very exciting on a unique feeling but I think that we can watch go or get that that. That's it was great. You know you can have it when you're playing in a playground level you might. You can have when you see around the dinner table Chang. Couldn't it comes in many forms but so when you're hosting a Q.. And A. These guys have just melted away Taryn can you get Tom hacks to get Michael types email address first of all and secondly. When you're performing with Elton John Do you feel that you know whether it's the first time we're the fourth or the sevens in private? Do you feel that the the the sense of limitation in a way. Yeah I I mean yeah you feel a real sensitive. I think in my opinion that feeling it comes from a qualitative like shed focus creates a real on the storm energy so the more the more charge to is in the more extraordinary odin real special the moment it is the more and as the performer. I think the the idea of flying comes from. There's a there's a place you get to and I think most active experienced as well as musicians but it just fills you. Can you can do wrong. Everything you're doing is just perfect because not not because it's it's just because you can feed it feed off the audience And I think I have felt that without sin and I think although I think it was time where I was really nervous the first time we did it it felt really special because at that point I mean no one knew if I could really hold a tune on stage you know so I mean so when I go up on stage in February and we did tiny dancer is Oscar. Party was it didn't feel like L. The troubadour folk. It felt like it was a little. There's a little in the room and that's absolutely the perfect algae. It was because because the experts in town extremely nervous before he was doing my head. You know. Side of the table are going. There's only kept coming up garnering good because I do. I think it didn't work. It was but you did. And then you over excite because you Burgundy Tom Ford Tux Great. And you knew you were striking around red movie stars. Yup but then but then they came out and did you. Just it happened so clicks in this moment and I it's not an easy everything's perfect. We all feel in the audience. We'll just in your guy. This is great and it was. It was absolutely that moment. It really was. Yeah the other reason wanted to talk about the Roxanne and specifically the moment were Elton locks himself in the toilet was because I was the first one when I went. Oh this isn't a high geography geography. This is Liz warts and all that main a glowing education. Yeah we're all learning tonight. Estimate This is warts and all this is A movie in which someone's banging on the door and saying of these lead Elton John Get out of the toilet. You'll little what what three words I think. Maybe realize this is. This is what you're going for Then that was always the intent. I guess from the beginning to not be to not go down straight down on the middle and not glorify I mean that's what Matt you spoke to me about and I know that you spoke to you about was right in the beginning is what he said was. It's going to be an all rated musical. And when he said that I didn't take it to me like okay so we can just do anything it's going to be. It's going to be unnecessary unnecessary of gratuitous or dark or you know explicit but it meant that we had a free rein to really explore the ugliest side you know the the you know the Watson orders it's called Butler sweaty uncomfortable broken ankle so you know we took a huge risk and a lot of ways because we start out in that Elton that comes in in the beginning is not a happy person and he's not particularly nice person and that's that's what he's absolutely locked into. I'm a bitch and I'm back. I'm always been a beach. Even when I was nine years old is the kind of place that he's in by the end of the film he goes. Oh No it was a nine year old kid just needed a hug. It's an incredibly big journey and Mike but it's a big risk to take as well in terms of we opened the film with someone Komo News. Not really that noise you know and you know why did you come. Here was a town of what was going on it. You Know Narain and defensive and and Spike Lee and and that was what was exciting. That was walked was There's some really great go for the first time on Astakhov lunch in Vegas. Which is the furthest? I've ever been for lunch but I went. It was four hours long and he spoke about everything and anything because I spent the first arrogant. Who can I ask him about drugs? That's really what I wanted to ask him about drug. Oh really Oh you played the troubadour. Great Yeah you look. What about the drugs and he went? Oh yes now and eventually the couch any toby story that I was like. Oh my God I mean i. I've had my moments. The dog follows of that world but I never a long time ago but he told me things. Oh Wow you know. And he was social of opening candidate. Data it's like this is what it's going to be about. This film has got to be about emotional honesty and authenticity and that is what the film is. We always went for. Has it has slight moments. It has it's fantastic fantasy moments. It's had it's ridiculous moments has. It's a deeply measure but it's always strives to be authentic and Taryn and is a very close relationship without one and that's true to that and I I have a very open dialogue with him and our statutes that we want to honor him. We want to celebrate. Celebrate him. You know the relationship people have with Elton's back catalogue is something that we have to be mindful of you know. It's not so that we can be flippant flippant about And people have a relationship with a musician and music and it's their responsibility to that and it's good that there is a web at the same time we're not just trying to create a puff piece with yeah never never and he didn't want that so it was really important. We just chucked it all out there. Turn you formed a great friendship with with Elton over the the course making this movie whether time so were there. Maybe it was a A balance or a conflict between wanting to be true to your friend on your friend but also as an actor playing the beats of a scene which don't always necessarily necessarily portray Elton in the best line. No because I because I know uh-huh tell you why because I was a bit to say I was vocal about the connor performance. I wanted to give. I think he's fair enough his name early on you know I I I really I said to him you know on on. It's not gonNA look good. Was The after shave your head but just in the sense that you know I think what I as next Says you know. We wanted to celebrate him and Bernie and legacy but what we didn't WanNa make a movie about was a A rock goat cheese. We wanted to make a movie about a stall human being you know and I think that's what we were striving for was with humanity. Let's see we've you know we've all all of us of all done things that we wish we hadn't part for maybe Hugh Jackman. Ah but you know like and and you know what I've said it before and I'll say again thing about out in this. I mean I spoke to me today and he still makes me blush. I'm GonNa tell you voice said when I picked up the phone but it still makes. He's so unbelievably. It still makes me blush but like the thing about him is Elton. Elton fucking stand. He cannot stand any is boring dry weight in around anything that takes too long. He anything that is pedestrian is unforgivable. Look at what the Guy Wes. So when I'm in screaming streaming in the specs Spitfire Richard Madden's Bass Allen love side. Because it's not boring you know so I think we were really lucky. Okay because he's a unique personality. Who and the other thing is as well when he ate? He doesn't eat tantrums. Attention in two hours was a long time ago. Doesn't he doesn't really have those episodes anymore. It's all a faint shadow of one once but but but what happens in the four or five minutes later. He's chuckling. The absurdity of any has that level of self awareness and I think it's that level of self awareness that meant that we could do what we've done and And I suppose for me on a personal selfish level I was always quite militant about this because everything you do is insisted insisted the film but for me personally as an actor. I knew that it represented a chance for me to do the things. I'm best ninety. Four xy and Eddie who probably in those enacted great rose but they are Mu Ooh ARCHETYPAL in heroism. Because they are sort of they have they D- they don't quite have that they don't have the same slight like flaws in their character. I suppose is the character of an represented an opportunity for me to see something different so I it was. It was a one. That's what drew me to it. So I was never going to do anything anything else and I think everyone knew that there was like kind of just wear underpants in this scene of that. That might seem like try there. But it's really but when you got comes down the stairs at his mom's house with have been thrown out here and there about some your song. He writes it in his underpants and a striped dressing pressing gown. PJ is his house. Garage Boxes Guy only gets away fronts in character. But if you've watched shaw I was like yeah. That's a great idea. We frame up on my good on on your pants. It's what's it's your pants. The pants we're looking at across the screen junk. Please don't zone stop it. Don't George move back camera. That's right. Open it's weird though you do find when you play a part. That's an exuberant and eccentric. You do find weird things that you you don't know about yourself and I fucking love hot pants over. Can we get Mr Edgerton. Some hot pants please. I'd love to see my call going out at Taranto. Once why fronts needs y-fronts now He came prepared exit. Good to know We're GONNA throw out you guys real quick the first couple of last questions but I want to go through three moments from the film real quick three moments not scenes moments because as we spoken since since the movie came out and I specifically these are women's but indulge. The moment were Elton heads the football in Honky cats. Yeah I love love it. Where did that come from? He offered I mean he was like he bought a football team. You know the whole sequences about him buying stuff he saw. Aw He believes and it was up we gotta get what would in there so he does. He is so much to pack in China till that story in that whole number that that yeah it was okay here at the end of the of the bar he should have a football and fall into the arms of four football players. This so I was GonNa die when we remember for a while transitional flipping me is if you are the most dynamic bloke anyway and I was carrying Pines then My God I was convinced that the land flat on my face. But we'll see you go. You'd never know it to look at it looks. There's some really interesting pictures as well would. Would it come from that period of of in the showers with the football players standing around the block massaged on the table. So it's kind of there's this you know. The great thing about was brilliantly documented and what Taryn fantastically in a rock mavericks. He goes out and dodger stadium. He strikes like these really key. Hoses if you look at Syria News photography we we really leaned into but Taryn APPs denials physicality either of AH on stage in those particular moments as well in fact The second moment I want to talk about specifically smile the drop of a hat to smile hunter the baseball bat and you're in the deaths despair and suddenly becomes the potentially fake smile for the for the audience. I don't I mean hesitate to say this but I still sometimes I still see out into that now. Actually still a bit of A. There's a slight. It's all my clownish. But it's it's it's like he's slightly. Come Times site grin it's an it's all born of Like the scene before they are but who were in similar smart in the mirror. Who Born of Dexter asked me to watch a movie cool jazz before we started? And it's famous phrase in it's showtime retake so out of Prescription pills ready for his diet part of his routine showtime and. He's making himself ready. You know but he's deeply troubled addicted person so those moments of that kind of Kline Cheshire cat. Grinning came from from there really of inspiration and and and I knew action George. Were doing from from a from a from a Senate cinematic from you know photography it was going to you know it was going from the micro to Aachen extreme macro and and and how we were trying to build a moment of you know like wash it and and you just feel things instinctively folks like you also feel. Sometimes that when you're movement as an actor should kind of should be moving with the camera and something about the way the cameras movie and it felt like the twelve. It just felt right. It's just things just having things like that happening. You don't really know that until after that they've happened. Yeah you don't really plan them they just kind of feel right and you do it and and then you can tell pretty quickly biotechs face whether whether it's whether it's good or not I'm smiling. I mean this is what we're talking about. How those songs became something that Taryn works on? And then that connective tissue tissue. That goes in between the move. That connected drama was things that he could just do. And you go okay. Great you just sit back and revel in that because you know it just. It works brilliantly dramatically particularly in dose. And it's not just the performance doesn't come like the thing. One of my favorite things about that is the director is like no receive in notes. Because it's such a personal. I think of performance the receiving notes can be tough and the the the one of the best compliment cycle pay taxes. The decks keeps those really exciting and an and Yucel make okay. Let's go let's go. You know in the way. He delivers them early. January yes John I feel tickling maneuver. We you go there And then trying to do movie star Cool Day. I'm sorry are you. Are you ticklish. The third moment I wanted to talk about is when Dick James says right. I'm going for a massage for my money is the sleaziest line in two thousand nineteen very period. It's era you know it's like you go back four years. That was very acceptable behavior. He's amazing Stephen Grandma. But you must have been tough not Disney stuff. We couldn't breathe because it was really that. That is improvised. That's-they the improvised. He did in both the big things that he's in a cut it out of the first one is in both of them. He did the the end war guy. 'cause Charlie goes. Where are you going for in Peru Myself? But the film was Rodney. Lowman certain things that to go but so it stayed in the second row and he called her different names every time. Well Maria Mary Chine- never knew it was such a great times. Buskens do that. That'd be great it turned into Bob. Watkins right. I think we got time for a couple of questions from you. Guys hands have shut up in the media so the gentleman the second row. I'm going to say thank you for making one of the best films I've seen this year. You've obviously showing as there's a path that your fantastic bops with this and the the go. I just wanted to. Who Else you've got on your sites to make a film about I daily? Hope we've we've got at least one more thing I think me. Yeah I think we may not we. May We know we may not do a real. Yeah we might venture Ford in fiction science crazy because I know why would. Apparently it's quite fertile talk ground we'll see but but no look we. I think now is picking up for both of us. aww Gareth from now. It's a very productive relationship for both of us work in wise and just for our friendship and so I think there's no shadow of a doubt will find something else folks. We're just GONNA make sure we find the right thing because we worked hard and long and It's really important to a spouse. Yeah I think what we don't want to do. I think because we do really really enjoy and we genuinely are in each other's lives on a on a on a pretty much work Lee basis. Anyway you know we don't want a Russian something because because we just want to spend time together we want to be sure that would make it diff- Craig reasons is we don't want to just blow it on. No we want we just I WANNA BE WANNA WE WANNA pick somebody right but brothers. He's GonNa play both. I've kept the Moustache from your movie star. Cool down there there you go. That's a dangerous thing to say because we're actually late. Live tweeting this as we go. So that's out there now. Turn to play both trucker brothers. Jesus Christ or somebody hands Eh Is Lady there beside. There's a stripy tarpon. The lady with the hand next to destroy top. That's soon as accurate as I can. Thank you both so much for being here. I'm Zoe and I have a question for both of you. There seemed to be Certain resonances of certain films in particular the music lovers and dogged afternoon in the quality of actor director. Collaboration and I was wondering if there are any films of the two of you referenced in common to help produce such a fantastic collaborative finishing with all that jazz are mentioned. And there's another the roses where we're bette midler. If you've seen the rose with Bette midler which is a fantastic or live performance film about up Ruxton kind of fooling Apollo. It's of sort of our star star bone but she plays both parts But that's an incredible movie as well the with the we that we looked at referenced And told me as well the Great Ken Russell. crazy to stop your nightmares. But you want to verviers reasons because the pinball wizard as well as that's in there but we always strived to set our our our own you original musical things about rocket man and the I'm particularly proud of and I think Taryn is as well is that there's no template for rocket rocket man. There's no Western show that you could have gone and seen before this no concept album that you could have been listening to theirs. What was on the page and then what we did and you know in the most humble way I can put it? I'm very proud of the fact that we created new musical musical from the ground up and I don't think we even realize the enormity if that when we were doing it we had six weeks twelve weeks rehearsal. Whatever it was six weeks with and and most stage musicals you have been developed for years and years over time and workshops and music back and forth and and we just what yeah? Let's do a musical as a Cornfield and do the show right here. Let's do. Hey we did we. We Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland. And and and and that's what won't be gone. I think only afterwards we go because you know I finished Q.. Seen on the Friday and then by Thursday we were in cans in next to Bernie Taupin. Elton John Watch it can and we don't even know what this is. I mean you hadn't seen finished now. Single either the finish veal visual faces and so I think that's what I'm kind of really proud of that. We and I think that's what feels fresh about. The film may be. Ah What is this thing. It's kind of got a boy sayings of no influences complete originals. You Go. That was excellent. Question is always know much liddy here in the front row. Thank you thank you. My Name's daisy. You talked briefly Taryn but this is about both for both about the humanity manatee of Elton John and the throughout the film this incredibly strong theme about growing recovery forgiveness all of this stuff and I feel like it was really important with today's sort of council culture that you put across this idea that we're all human we all do good good and bad things and I just wondered if that was something that was always sort of meant to be a main theme or did it grow because it really connected with me about how life is difficult and unpredictable and you do change and learn and we know. There's no such thing as good Passan you know. Yeah I mean I think it was always I think he was always really important too. I think important When he took Automated Movie Dip repeat that means different things to different people and Say it means different things from Elton. To what it means to Matthew Vaughn into what it means to text what it means to me and I think the thing and everyone else Susan vote will make in the movie but I think what everyone really but really believed was that we had to have the freedom to to to portray his struggles authentically and And I feel like we will you quite on board from early on inevitably in any collaborative process. There's always a bit of innovation pushed me. Put it here but side from A propensity towards over excitement we are both belligerent. fuckers aren't really and I think we we you know we stood our ground very twisted our glaring with those conversations. And and I think actually I don't want to portray for second anyone. What else in the creative process didn't feel that way? But you entertain all ideas during a process and you entertain moving things in different directions By virtue of winning the world at large by virtue of individuals sensibilities and I think we saw linked arms and said No. This is the movie The that you employers tonight can a- numb and I think because what we hoped we were doing something that would speak to people because I think something that feels that very much but you can. You can make a movie about a perfect person. It can still speak to you of course but time but I feel like sometimes times it could be like takeaway dinner where it doesn't feel it doesn't last very long and Also I just you know if it was the best surviving is survivor. -Vivor he is great survivor and it doesn't matter that he's really famous or the money always very talented. All those things were relevant when you need to survive alive when you need to fight for who you are. And that's what he's doing that and that's what hopefully we recognize and resonate within that. We have a moment where we go. Oh you always once the vanderbilt child who needed a hug. And that's something that hopefully is universal. And it's okay to to say that once in a while because we get in the big where we are all Marin run out we go and we go to the world and everyone expects us to be strong and it's and it's and I think the beauty of gives us that we look and we go even when he suffers design jar. And that's that's the beauty of it. Thank you dating are because I have one last question. Let's jump to fight for That's I've gone is GonNa see this as long as the show right here thirty-seven more questions as you heard it here first from tarnishes okay the stripey jumper. You have been literally jumping up and down. This better. Be referee comment. If it's a coma so so help me some my two questions Small ones first of all. Have you both both drafted your Oscar speeches second-level. What's your favorite costume? 'cause there's so many wonderful ones what's what's the failure early on Sorry my different things for different reasons that I love But decent jillions vivid genius and I think although I love the orange sequent sequent neoprene it. PRYNNE neoprene Saying What I love I love the fact of the first time we Outnumbering together at the Lancaster Grill You meet them in their In profiling why last act of the movie. The camera wraps around to the same orientation is in that scene when they signed the fancy restaurant And in the first scene they discuss cowboys and and Country Music multi-role and sin and in that last scene The Goodbye cafe fancy restaurants in The Post actually justice cowboys And he's a bird he's got that little. Oh that little tie that little con Yeah bootlace tie and Elton Scott A cowboy hat and boots on and another the dimension to that as well as it's it's obviously seen that goodbye. Eleborate road comes out of the hat is the store for the scarecrow. The blue is the blue of Dorothy dress shirts. This is metallic for the Tin Man. The boots read with crystals because they're ruby slippers the airing green for the Emerald City when he leaves he put on He puts on the lion's Mane. So anyone who's in any doubt about Julian Day guy knows a designer fucking costume my answer. It's just that question is there was a scene where Tarrin's wearing a Camo and I say it with a slight question accident because Richard Madden dam. Which I love a Komo News Komo News? And so in the scene where Honky cat when there's Gracie when the shopping and then they're both in Komo News. I love it. It's fantastic. I like it when their income. That's weird enough to see and I was on except for So what was it exactly. Yeah besieged by attorney Richard Mountain Komo News all day long. It was horrible There's a right back here. I think you may already have the microphone high so yeah great movie. Have a question for Dexter. So well double-sided how much hardly whole actually really written visually he's really. And how much did you have to add on. I'm not probably not using the right terminology here but you know lake. Yeah basically yeah. and which seemed senior struggle most visualizing fry she getting it done. I think rocket man was a big struggle because the swimming Mingfu is there but then it says and then they dress him and put him out on stage. I mean there was some things that were very very kind of hastily written or aw with not much detail. I decided to write for fight for example was was completely different. I found that the I had Huge budgetary restrictions and that could facilitate what he'd written him coming down the street and climbing up. Five Scapegoat Hinson Flat Windows and couples fighting there and coming out and so it very much changed in nature and only when I when a fun fair. That's my key to opening up the world The that that kind of found around its its look and feel. Lee is great at writing drama. I and and so those dramatic Xing's were there and we're very strong and sometimes it was like you know right if he comes out of the pub and everybody dances which is not a lot ought to go on which is a bad thing a because it gives me the freedom to Korea. It's to to to create what we did and that was very satisfying. But there's no two ways about the structure of what Lee created from his conversations without under. I wasn't even therefore but how he captured in that screenplay the emotional truth and the emotional journey throughout the then then we built on then investigate hidden and unpicked as much as I couldn't and tested Psychologically as much as I could so the we had up a satisfying Nara through happens over the years. is is is testament to him and me. I like to think think but only the most self deprecating wire can possibly say that but that was what was important. But there's no two ways about it Lee who is fantastic tastic genius rights and we were wise In great shape walk right from the outset. Thank you believe this is the last. The question is a lady here in the second row and then with the they go with the blue hats finish all right good to miss. I'm according to My dissertation on the AIDS crisis and I'll see that in the deleted scenes but I was just wondering like how important it was fee to actually like film include those on the DVD themselves like how it was to film them. I think I think when we were shooting it. It felt like such a huge part of Elton's legacy in such a huge part of his David shared identity in the work they do and we wanted to honor that And it was very important to them but I think when it came to the concert speaking on the face recruitment among but I think when it comes to the it felt like it belonged to a movie that was more of a bio-pic whereas I think the the movie kind of took a slightly different shape you know there's a reason that none of the other famous people in Alan's life you know and some of them are very very important feature in the film. It's because we're creating sort of slightly I'll let you take. No No. He's what he's right he's absolutely and walk. WH- becomes really important. Is that the crisis that you're talking about and the amount of people who were lost throughout that period of time man of young people who who who I don't WanNa say victims because that's not the right word but who were lost and and that becomes the more we explored it the more that becomes becomes a story in its own right that becomes a really powerful story that Elton is massively involved in that starts to remove from what the emotional journey is that we are on and I had to make those big decisions are tried. We tried within Vinson's to try and just go. Hey there's an element of this about our was around in the I-IT's until you it was not funny not remotely Motlley and and I think that to try and just take a little of Of that enshrined and explain the whole depths of what really was and how it affected. Elton so deeply was to halt. When we show that stuff you know we approached it with all the same Karen Hall We would anything else but it just I think as Dexter said it's not it's not a topic you just WanNa Service Service. It's a topic that requires thorough. Expiration is just a service to Elton's emotions slot folks probably part all of that but but we needed to keep it. Not how I feel sorry for these other. People like confused. Sorry for my age. You know there was. It was Kinda money line but this is not. He's raised four hundred fifty million dollars for research. It's like it's a film in its own right and we did. We attempted it. We did but then would I have to make the bigger decisions about who is now two hours and fifty seven minutes long. Thank you look with your dissertation and ask me help. And then the last question that this lesson to people with blue hair and a tiny blue hair Helps Jack It really. Isn't it so I kind of like awkward because every single question has been like really deep and emotional so let's end on a low. Hi Sorry I'm Chris. I flew in from Hungary to wash it. Put a twenty times so the obsessed with it and my question would sort of tie into what was asked before. Is there any chance. Are you planning on releasing a director this concert any point because I noticed industry. A low of cuts have been made a film have been metoo dark pre existing scenes that were just made shorter which we're not put under DVD. So is right right charts. We'll get to see those. What do I say? She's flew in from Hungary. Yes absolutely I'm GonNa give it to you personally. Know who's sorry now. I know I mean it is what it is. I mean. That's why I've tried. It's a pack the DVD extras with as much as I could To to get as much of in there because there's a ways these kind of things that you have to steal back and and it's the hardest thing to do and you always have to do with every film but this film was particularly pipe. Losing Stevie Graham Kgo Maria Message uh-huh for the first and second is very difficult and at the same as is to lose the dance number on the big golden record you know the end of Honky cat. It's like you know I don't WanNa do that. I'm not I've got I've got a few built. A goal. Records Dow Law Dance Rehearsal winning as well which richards really good at so they were going to wrap it up. No they're both fantastic but the just the price that you pay unfortunately and hopefully we we we we pack so much into the film and there is so much love and there is much we feel everyday was creative. We feel every day we had something a new and different exciting to be looking at talking about no two days worthy sign. The there was no today's sign and hopefully the film is still who stands up to be rich enough and kind of colorful when exuberant and joyful enough and jam packed with stuff. The old. It's only two hours. It feels like it's a great two and a half because that's the writing. Thank thank you thank you bye two seconds. Well uh around for me. What's next for you guys because you've been on this roller coaster over the last two years and you've been linked with I've gone no Sherlock Holmes three on poker? I don't even I I think I I am talking to universal about doing something maybe in their monster. Universe is the r-enfield movie that was renfrew movie. Yeah I'm to those guys very seriously about that. So so That's possible I've been into the bone Lebron's about Charlotte comes as well. Perhaps down the line. Somewhere so Well Oregon go choice for me and he rolls for this man with this one. This one here Now yes yeah so. I don't know what's going on. Turn was kings three. 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Celebrity Big Brother 2 | Monday Episode Recap Jan 28 | Kaitlyn Herman

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Celebrity Big Brother 2 | Monday Episode Recap Jan 28 | Kaitlyn Herman

"Comedy live from my apartment. Hansa rob has a podcast. And now, here's the guy who's hoping to bring home the podcasting gold in Tokyo twenty twenty I am robs everybody. How're you doing tonight? We've got a great show because we're very excited that we have a fantastic guest for you here with us in the studio. Please welcome. The great friend of the podcast Kaelin harmonies Kaelin. How're you doing? So. Well, don't you like that with the sound now I just haven't heard in so long so triggering dots? Of course, it's triggering so nice to have you here with us in the studio mazing here. Thank you so much for having me, we watch the show together guys. It was a dream. Well, it's going to be a lot of fun. Lots of talk about here tonight with of course, we have here on vixen Taryn Armstrong year Taryn. How are you? I'm great very happy to be here with my Instagram. Caitlyn? She's been training me in the ways of Instagram. Wonderful. What do you teach Taryn to do on Instagram? I will never forget when Taryn started becoming active on Instagram. And there was just a moment for me where I took it into my own hands to go into my notepad on my cellphone and to write out Tarrin's bio, so I just I sent it to him. I sent him with the spacing, and I just said copy paste into your about you need a bio on Instagram, and that's you Rotarians bio I just took what he had on Twitter space it out. And I was just so like he needed it. So I was like you're going to go to settings you're gonna put the senior bio, and it's just it's been a dream ever since. And he's doing great. I seem going live. It's it's such. He's a flower blossoming into his out and I'm saying. Lawrence. Oh my God. Unintentional forget, okay. And it's working Taryn working like, Robb. Okay, you're doing. All right. Well, we got a lot to talk about here tonight on Vic shin night. Ryan lock the is out of the house. Caitlyn your reaction Ryan lofty what sad to see him go because he grew on me, and I was not a fan before such a fan now, but kind of excited to see his dynamic with Jonathan outside of the house. So you think that they're going to have hope so like shoddy? Shahroudi in an Metta world peace last season. They'll have like a whole storyline outside the house. Let love would love to see that. But you know, I'm happy tame our state and happy Dina stays though. I think if if Jonathan invites Ryan to the set of cupcake wars, I think that he could get four four short cupcakes. All right. So yes, so lock the is out of we're spectating H O H competition later on tonight. Then we'll talk about everything else going on hashtag are HA for all that. But let me go ahead and ask Caitlyn's. What's what's new with you? Besides the celebrity big, bro. God nothing. Nothing is new at all. I've just been working on myself on my business. That's a fun things coming up but side from that. I am just watching the show. Just like you guys who are some of your favorites from season. We'll say I may he obviously a lot who will know friends with Jonathan. So now that that has gone happen. How do you end up being friends with John we met at hearts of reality? The charity event that I went to when I was at heart rea-, we met. Yes. Because his significant James. Yes, it was on the amazing grace. So I met him there. And I just remember seeing him and I was like I'm simply not worthy. I was a victim cheese. From the big brother house. I cannot say Aaron Samuels, but he was a dream, and so nice, and we've just been in touch over since I was so excited to see that he was going on. And that was it. But aside from him, Tom green my God. He is funny. Tom green a lot. I like him, and I like Dina Trillium. Okay. Why why Dina because that he's she's friends with not at all? No, not literally not at all from long, not even the hot. I think that there's something about her that since watching the fees just going to work. She just is such. She is the mom energy of the house. And I also think she's super strong, and she proved herself in the competition the other day when she was hanging on that thing for so long. I don't know. I just I like her, and I think she's Sweden and I would like to see her. Weird hot take Taryn hot take. I mean, sh I wouldn't call her the most popular person in the house at the moment. Sure. Sure. She's very nice. She's like easily the nicest house guests in there. She she's swore today on the feeds and she was like, oh, I'm sorry. Pardon? My french. Yeah. Yeah. No. I think that's a horrible. I wanna go to Ryan locked the and very sad to see. Locked to go out, and he came into this house. And I thought he was a huge douche. Yeah. And turns out to be such a lovable guy Kaelin. No, you're so spot on when he said that before you're like, oh, he came in. I don't think most of us really anticipated really liking him. But there's just a charm about him. He's very like a whimsical. I don't know what it is. But I did enjoy him. It's out to see to very entertaining characters goes characters people go so early. But I'm glad that we were able to see that side of him. I'm I'm glad you change your mind. You became a big lock these stand. Right. I did. I just doesn't feel right that he's gone so early it felt like he was destined to be there longer. And it's just not happening gone. Not for and. Yeah. Kaelin seem like that the Haskins decided he was a big threat. He had to go other than winning that first competition. I don't know. What else he did -ssarily was making was making him out to be this gigantic threat? I'm going to go on a women say I find him to be one of the least threatening people in the house like he was very easily. Manipulated? I think a lot of people saw that. There was really nothing about him personality wise intelligence there was nothing threatening about him at all. So I think that people were just kind of associating who he is on the outside Olympic medal champion of sorts. But no, I didn't think I didn't think it was necessary for him to leave turn. They really didn't give him a chance either. They have this veto, and he doesn't even get to play. And then that's not even even if he did play wasn't going to be a physical competition. Just a crap shoot veto which I feel like is. We'd have the crap shoot h is really it's more rare to have the crapshoot veto. Yeah. I mean, I actually I liked it as the veto for this episode. I think that it was easy to watch live, and you could track what was happening and follow along release. So I like that aspect of it. But yeah, especially sad to see Ryan not even get to compete in the veto, it really it makes it all the more tragic. A true backdoor. Yeah. A true back to sell my God, we too and other backdoor. My God dish. Playing god. I love it though. Who who don't you enjoy watching? I don't like to be negative. I doubt down, but. There are some people. I don't enjoy. So let's talk about it. I from again from game perspective personal level. I'm sure they're all me's Dono them. Now, I'm not enjoying Natalie. Eva Murray's game as discussing before. I'm not like, I don't love low. But at least Lolo is giving me game gameplay at least Lolo is dynamic and fighting and making up and learning about herself. And it's great. What has Natalie even read Murray even more everything so unclear with her just over here? And I just not. Not here for her. Yeah. She's she's been certainly quite in the episodes. I it's hard. Remember a moment that she's had on the show. I know that she probably playing the best game parent is that fair to say, I wouldn't say it's like a definite thing now. But I won't play one of the one of the best game one of the one of the best games. She hasn't had like she doesn't flipped out. But she'll have a signature moment. Yeah. You know, what I'm really having. So where that you are saying this is as I take the time to reflect its like hold on you have. I'm thinking about the fact that I'm watching this show, and I'm watching someone that loves reality television. So yes, technically Natalie is buying a great game. But I'm bored. And I think. Okay. Loom said, we don't we don't like to say the b word around here. I'm just. Truth. Is this a problem? I don't get it just trigger everyone. What's going on Taranto, people some people parents try to avoid calling people? Nice. It's not nice. It's not Clint we try to nice. I'm extremely I couldn't be nicer. The thing is the thing is I just feel like when I watch. And maybe maybe it's because I watch a lot of trash vision. I watch a lot of housewives and this and that and their dynamic, and they get brought on reasons like that. I just wanna see more. I don't want to be. I'm sure she's lovely. Okay. Moving on topic. But can I can I just bring up one thing ever since taymor made her shrimp comment and Cato with have been craving grilled trim for literally twenty four hours. I'm not kidding. Is that weird like so less? Kato kaylin domination speech says team here. I slipped on I slipped on some shrimp today. Yes. Which is a good setup for a piece that got open tonight's episode. I we heard Julie talk about this issue. But Julius Lepe big honor shrimp. I'm so hungry for that. Aren't you grilled shrimp? Are you shrimp eater? I sure I like you frequent. But what was it that? They just talked about it all team are or Kato slipping on it. We actually you guys. Remember, we actually saw a clip of tame are grilling. She was she had her pan, and she was making the ship in it look since I don't know what other ingredients in it. But it just looks so good. And we just heard about the font on a gun, and I'm starving for it. Yes. Okay. Is that your favorite dish shrimp? Yeah. I wouldn't say it's my hero dish. But now you're craving wanting it so bad it could be. Yeah. I have all the time. If I'm also asked me before if I was on a fast of source or a detox try Kaelin 'cause I come to the same moments. Want to try to? You want me to order dinner when we get anything for you. But she won't even that she doesn't have a glass of water. I just I'm very low maintenance, I prepare I had all my water before gumming. So you hydrate before you go do this lily as you should too. I'm always I'm so impressed with learning. Offered you wanted any any coffee. A lot of fun. Taryn? Are you entice to have some coffee after Tom green saying the coffee song? I'm not a fan of coffee, but if fun because. Fay's? I don't wanna be tag team, no fund. So I probably do it you drink coffee. Yeah. And a lot of fun, right? Home much. It's a lot of fun. Tom green is not wrong. It's so fun. I related to that song on his ritual level. Listen, it's a good jingle. Okay. I know you were you did not like the speech that that Kato kaylin made for taymor again, another very triggering moment for me. What was it about it that that really upset you? I don't like and let this go for my mouth to God's ears. If I'm ever on this show, again, I will never be in a situation where I am putting somewhere on the block for a personal reason like unrelated to the game, and I did not lake him saying like, oh, my slipped on shrimp Lalor night. And I'd like for you to go home to yours, you're saying how you miss home. Like, I don't wanna hear it. I want you to say taymor and putting on the body is causing controversy in the house, and there's been a lot of fights. And this and that, and you're a strong competitor. I want you out like just notice is that come out of that when you were in the house and share. On the block because that because that you were the opposite of female empower. Also, I didn't was the term. She said, I take give the least and I'd take the most kind of thing in the house situation. It's just like, dude. I don't I I don't like that. I think it's not fair. We didn't come here to play like house. We came to play the game. So yeah, I thought it was a little weird. Do I think that taymor took it to another level? Like, do do we think that Cato was trying to be sexist. Absolutely, not of course, not thought that was taken to Notre level. But the shrimp thing. Now also that because we watched the episode, I know the canes also did not like that KMart did interrupted Kato during the speak. I've never seen anything night. Not respecting the ritual, which is the shut up shut up have your moment. After like, you could talk about all you want after I don't like that. Either. You know? Yeah. Of it. I just feel like these celebrities. Maybe like haven't like watch. Like, I thought it was really nothing. Like, it was really funny that everyone thought it was like an open forum like everybody coversation want there to be open communication in the house. Where's my God? Yes. But I was just like can we just finish? And then we could talk about this after. But her something I didn't like it. I was just like different different different dynamic here. It is better when they wait until the person's finished with their speech. And then they yell at them. Yes. That's I prefer that. Yeah. I I did that because I felt your energy when I was on the show. I knew you wanted me to wait Taryn. Always people at home. No Taryn, specifically Delta's energy ncua. And I know you're angry and watching you marching I knew he was I know your anger Keelan. Just wait a few minutes. Let Sam finish lady. No. I was sending messages that you received them. Of course, I was here. Excited. The Tim are mentioned chicken George tonight. Yes, I've been watching since chicken George sucked. There will nobody has ever been put on the block for what for being a good mother that she said, yeah. Maybe I wouldn't quote it. But something honest mother. That was so funny. I think Kato felt really bad that, you know, I think that he's I don't know. I like that. Well, I mean, yes, I'm sure he did feel bad. But also like these are celebrities on like they don't want to be misunderstood. Yes, it remind it reminded me. We recently did the big brother three block of Marcellus putting up Amy and being like, look, this is strictly personal no game involved at all this is entirely about who you are as a person. That's why I'm putting you on place like Clements, personal reasons. Like, oh, no, I'm not nominating. You because it's strategically a good thing or a game. It's because I don't like how you leave strip around in that you should go home to see your son. Like, it's just like that's not the soft way of doing it. That's the worst way to. So we have this plan in motion. We're going to back door locked e and a lot and locked e wants to come and talk to cash favors. I I don't know what was just happening in my head. But you. Pulled up the paper here like we have this plant. I thought we were about to do a drive like I thought you're about to give you the paper and say we're about to act out a moment from the show. And I was like oh the moment from the next time. I would like a dial. I think that we should maybe Lolo and tame our spite Lolo alone. I don't have the sides. I'm just saying maybe next time we should come little bit more prepared. I think the people would have really liked to see a drive read between would you like to improvise now from the show who would you like to be lower? Well, let's improvise you could be locked the be an Kato. Talk about this origin. Yes. We talk. We could talk about the scene. Okay. Wasn't prepared. Let me just. Hi. So we're in the storage room. Kato can you like no hard feelings out? Oh, none. I just I just do. I need to show. Shelby. Ryan and Joey. Okay. Thank joey. Should I do I need to pack. My staff like, I just know her fears. I just to have to go pack. Well. Ooh. Maybe that could be I I really need to know. Just with me because I need to know. It's really really all this is about I don't care about anything except for whether or not you need to pass. Please. We're not just I mean, it's like a coin 'cause like a. Okay. Okay. I just have a lot of Batman. Pack. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It could. Yeah. I would I think man things. Seem thank you so much for joining us that was youthful guys. Thank you. Thank you. Was was Joey it seemed like that. He was not so much upset about potentially that he might end up getting voted out. It seemed like that he was more upset that he might have to pack, and he kind of thing about he was not happy Joey's quickly becoming one of my favorite people. For for very wrong reasons because he's playing an entirely different game from everyone else. His game is how can I be inconvenienced? The least I being here. I just unpacked like do. I have to pack again because if I have to then he. He and then he later he was talking to writings like, you know, maybe I should just stay packs. Maybe that would be. Just keep your back packed all the time. Joey, we kind of just say that. I'm seeing someone just said killin, you deserve an EMMY. And for that. Yes. That's what you ask for one in the house. Right. Yeah. Daytime EMMY morning. I even though I technically I mean, it's a evening this evening. But also take the daytime guess, let's see here. How about this? I'm totally doing subject of job being h age. I just Zara daytime EMMY, I deserve it. God if allies God, pretty good. What a jersey come to him to be on that show. That's that's being prepared there that was actually quite an extensive archives here on the podcast. So yeah, it was doer die for lock the and for Joey, and we came into we came into this veto after we got the see this plan come together, another another fun moment on the show was Tom green and Kato talking with low low and Natalie Marie, and then we got the see where lock the overheard that conversation was fun. I love that. And then he's like I'm getting ready for bed. Oh, no Natalie goes, would you like to have a Cup of tea with us? And he was I'm getting ready for bed Doris slams. He was in the diary. That was locked the. Yeah. And then seemed like that sincere moment nobody wanted him to go home. No, not at all. And I actually really enjoyed that about last week this week there. Just a lot of celebrities that got a lot of money to be on the show and they're just playing a game. And they're. They've made friendships it's very nice to see them support each other when they leave enjoy it. Do you feel like that that would improve the big brother experience if they just started off gave all the contestants? Large appearance fee for being there. And then there would be less hard feelings during and maybe even after absolute, Honey. Oh my God. I was paid. Doesn't matter. Just I would be hard feelings on every end. Yes. Yes. But as we liked the hard feelings or no as a viewer dwindled lake nines. Depends on what day of the week. So is going to end up getting all the votes except for Joey Taryn anything from the from the vote or the actual Vic Shen take you by surprise. No. I mean, we saw Joey campaigning after the vixen to Cato that was fun. Yeah. Sorry. No. I thought that that that that he was really into it. I I was surprised from Joey. Yeah. The only problem is that he's campaigning to the outgoing h and will never listen to. I wonder what's going to happen with Joey now like think he's going to. Alignment going to be the pub, publicists and can view things for more workable, we'll talk. We'll let's let's circle back to that. Let's circle back to that. We got to see lock the have an interview with with Julie about where did the lock the where did he go wrong Halen? I think he very much just went wrong in the beginning. But specifically when him and we have a problem when him and the frame, okay? When I mean, just like one one Jonathan and Ryan chose not to rediscuss the nominees with Lolo and Natalie that was it that was it. That was the core moment. Just the whole thing. But also, let me let me make something very clear that initial alliance. Nothing went wrong. There was really not aside from that little fluke. Like, I didn't like the fact that Lolo and now all of a sudden like they didn't even talk about it. It was just like all right? We gotta find other people like they've it's been two weeks and they've gone through ten alliances. Like, I don't know. It just seems a little odd Taryn, buddy. No, you're totally right. And I think that especially on celebrity big brother where jury management is even more important than normal. I think the fact that Lolo in particular just continues in the dire room to be like, it's not our fault that we've betrayed everyone. We've worked. No, I therefore they're trying to change the storyline a little bit. And I don't like that Lolo is so sad when locked the left the house that's her team USA muschamp. She had full control over making that not happen. So I feel bad for her tears. She feels feels very bad. But it won't be too weird. When they're both at the Olympic village in twenty twenty and Tokyo, we somehow need to be there. I reign of journalism because I don't want to be there for the on Beck's. I want to be there to watch their dynamic. Yeah. Someone we can call to make up, and I'm surprised that that I thought to ask Scott saint-pierre about this after the show got gotta be a point where you sort of like age out of being in the Olympics, right? I will desire. He's got to be in his thirties. Now, I feel low low is thirty six is she I think so. Yeah, I guess the youngest in the house, but the team team USA doesn't seem to have a lot of new blood coming in at that mean, I'm training. But what what's your? I'm not saying right now, I'm not ready. I'll I'll put out a statement when I'm right into put out statements. Okay. I loved it. When we saw Julie talking with Locke de about Ryan, how do you think has Joey going to handle the house without you did Joey have any hope in there? Chill ran down tonight of lock these like that guys. So dumb screen. So sound funny. Very very sad. Jonathan and Lachie back toback duo that was not expected, but love to did you guys love it common. Now. I. I liked the dynamic between them. I thought it was very unexpected. And very sweet about you. Yes. I mean, they were likely pair. But I do feel like that. If you're if you're coming into this celebrity big brother next season, you watch I collapse like don't try to win anything. I really the worst thing. You can do. I thought the whole Ryan locked e having to nominate like five people thing was just a mass. That was not fair. Yeah. And in similar similarly Tarrant for Cody ends up with a week to Vic tion or second division from the show. Yeah. I mean, it shouldn't be surprising that the guy who had to nominate half the house all the while his closest doesn't work on the block is going to get a victim in the next week. What is the price? Yeah. No, you're right. And they really did so much work to get that pool in the house and. God. Yeah. The other houseguests tearing allowed to go in that pool. Yes, they have been in the pool. Okay. Good some things for letting us know we were would you have swimming laps. No, do you swim not regularly doing do you big swimmer can swim? But you don't choose to do activities. Like, I don't swim for fun. I can't dive can you dive have to hold my nose. Yeah. Hey, one of the. One of the. To like, you know, but like off like a high. I would hold my nose as yes. All right Taryn. We have a new twist in the game that was revealed tonight at the end of the show after an exciting night, we found out about a new twist, here's Mr. big brother, announcer mantha. Tell us more about this new big brother twist, you have the ability to give one houseguest up power of the publicist allows a house guest to remove him or herself from the block at one of the next two nomination ceremonies or veto meetings. Keeping them safe at the next fiction. This power can only be used once and expires after the live veto meeting on February fourth we will get this value of power. It's up to you. Tune in this Wednesday to the results and to Twitter's cast your vote by tweeting hashtag celebrity house, guests you want to receive the power of the public. Fep until January twenty nine twenty nineteen and get it. The power of the publicist. Wow. What will happen? When a big brother. House guest has power of a publicist down one. What could go wrong inside everything else? Give now has the power of a publicist the comment think shut her to think listen guys who we think's gonna get it who are you gonna vote for? We know you're you're going to you're going to go to the site. And you're gonna do your vote X who voting for whom I gonna vote for who is America gonna vote for both answers. Okay. I'm trying to think of who who's America. Like, I think this is time we might have to go and check some of our polling data. But I don't think that Tom is probably beloved by America. Really? I don't think so tears. We have any insight into this town. What does American thing? I mean, I think I think he's one of the more popular houseguests for sure, but. Taryn is the voice of America. His area right now. You're right. You're right. You're right. Right. I tweet it out. Right after it happened. Like, oh, a fan voted thing. Like jokes on them. The only person left in the underdog contingent. Here is Joey the since then. Yeah. Yeah. Really likes. But he only he is the underdog left on the show and lo and behold hashtags low hand, behold, lo lo hand before hashtag CB Joey has been trending ever since the episode, really. I would actually like to see that happen. Really what I would like is the power of the bat that's possible wing. Oh boy. Wouldn't that? Go to head Taryn if Joey Lauren, and it's gets a power from America. How I hope taymor got set. Yes. My time is now. Yes will Joey. We'll Lindsey lo Han put out a tweet or Instagram posts of hey, everybody vote for my mom. First of all, your Lindsay, Lohan voice in fashion was. Practice these things. I don't. Hey, everybody vote for my mom. Two. I think Lindsay is going to take to the poll and the interwebs against the vote. No, I don't have you watched her new show. What is it low? The low hand wondering great it's like a low hands like the Cabana lowland Emeka Mykonos. We should go. Well, okay, we'll hit letting hands resort. Then we'll hit Tokyo worldwide tour of reporting this'll be very interesting Taryn who who's the live feed contingent gonna go far taymor. That's that definitely seems like it's likely. I think for me the top three are going to be Joey tame, mar and Tom I'll probably put a Twitter poll out that has the three of them in there. But. I think even some of the feeders are probably like, hey, give it to Joey stick it to the people who just got Ryan out. K Mars another really good option. I think she's probably the overall favourite of the feeders. But I don't know if that's going to be the underdog status of Joey in the episode, you know, who's really bringing nothing to the table. Even EMS know, Ricky Williams is he burned a lot to the table last night. He's helping foul move legitimate. And I liked him from a spiritual champion wrong with us. Now. I know that you also are a healer could you potentially help a house guest in that way. What he does. I'm not trying at all. So no. And I find services we actually very like if I was in the house with him. Right. That would make me want to keep him. Mike four real from off the block that he is able to remove a blockage. Absolutely God the amount of what is. This came up on the podcast last night. Because there was a lot we watch these live feeds there's always a lot of talk about conservation. And I have problems going to the bathroom. You know, what I think it is what it was the slop. No, I wish it was a slob. I mean, pre slop all backed up guys getting a little nervous. I think it might be a mix of people being nervous. But have you ever gone on vacation? And you just can't go to the bathroom. I don't know what it is is just one of those things camera in there. Now, I guess that's maybe just the fact that you have strangers Chilin in the couch while you're maybe trying to use them. Hundred house. It's not our have a weird trolls the weeks go on. Oh my God. I dig Kato pass out, and that's one of the perks of being the H O H. Oh, yeah. Oh my God. What did dream of a see absolutely through stuff? And guess, yes. Exactly voice was at the Lindsey voice. It. All sounds the same tomato. Okay. Okay. Lynn. Sorry. But. Say the person bringing to the table is candy. Oh, yeah. For sure I mean, I don't even remember the last time we're we've seen her other than than her voting. The last time we've seen her on the show. And now, she's I mean, if if we had to pick a side between candy and tame are all day same. But I do have loyalty to the real housewives of Atlanta, which she is on. But she also was never a dynamic hours for on that either. So not surprised just not surprised turn is candy more active in the house during the day. No. I mean. Yes. I mean, she's really that. We're getting nothing. She she talks to people occasionally it does happen. But she is probably I mean Dina was very absent. But she was on the block this week. So I feel like it doesn't really count. So I'd say her and dean are pretty pretty non existent for the most part candy like close. Does she have good friends? So she like probably closest with Ricky at this point Ricky has spent a lot of time working on her. So. Yeah. Not like how he worked on Kato right finishes working. Yeah. Calmness. Kaelin who's gonna win celebrity big, brother. I have literally no idea. Maybe Dina Deena. What you're so hung up on denied. I also think she's like is it just me or like, I just think she's so beautiful to which is so critical beaner fifties. Yeah. I would love to look like her when I'm that age. But I also think she's like a Ma she is like the lower class version of Kris Jenner, mama asked. And I and I love a strong woman that has made money off of her chills. Mike, I think it's unbelievable. So I don't know what it is about her. I just I really I think she's so cute when Dina low hand gets out of the house would you enlist her to be your manager one GB, mama. Jer run do is then person I trust with my life. My god. What that you trust your so much? He knew what? I don't know. Should she hasn't done much? But I mean, just look at her children. I mean, Lindsay's career something that that you see that. I can't see as far as being the low ham. Just I really think that she has the sweetest heart. And to be honest, literally the second we've got the cast list. I was like this woman's day want me. I mean, she's a goner. But when I watch her on the feeds, I find, you know, what I liked this is a very weird moment. But I watched them like playing cards the other day, and I think it was Kato teaching her how to play some card game. And she wanted to learn, and it was just so cute. And she was just like getting things from the storage room for people. And she was just I don't know. Maybe it is accident. Maybe it is like a Long Island thing consciously motherhood to her like, I feel like she just the type of woman that we could like kick it and have a big mocks like it would be sewn on. You know? Mucci? He's from Long Island. Did you feel now I did not feel similar energy at all? Not not I didn't like I didn't like. I did like him. Once I saw him interacting with people. But I just don't it's so obvious now when I reached the show when production feeds aligns and there's too much and I didn't like that. They try to do like another Omarosa, and he was just not that, you know, whatever. But he wasn't a real house gas. Are you glad they didn't do that? With big brother twenty have a twist like that. Cher. There was ten other bad ones matter. Another matter take. Okay, we're starting to get some questions ready for Caitlyn. Hashtag R H A P. What else from this show? Caitlyn? Team even from the episodes before tonight. Again, always impressed with the way, they set up these calms, I think it's so cool veto competition semi just every I love how they transform the backyard that always gets me really excited. I think the first thing that was very strange to to see when you I watched the show is how much the house has transformed you're in it and how beautiful. Aside from that. I mean. And you don't like that the house is a lot nicer now right south. I don't like it. I'm just jealous. Yes. So jealous, but. Just get so much, but between the cards and the piano. I mean. Do you think it's weird that the celebrities in the house watched some of your season? Like E s but it's also, very terrifying. 'cause I mean, you hear a lot of them like low low and Natalie talking about like level six, and I'm like like crossed their minds like today just blank out that memory, like no one's mentioning wants mentioning, you know, my little no one mention anything from fell Tei. They don't anything a lot of the game playing seems like they're trying to recreate foul. Jay. Yeah. Exactly. So I feel like maybe it's not directly referenced. But indirectly referenced. Like to see more Caitlyn references to be completely satisfied, which house just would you most like the see talking Tom green? If Tom green said my name that would be a dream. But I really think I would like to see Ricky Mr. healer himself like if you wash any bit of it like bring up the one spiritual girl everyone once in a blue moon. My God a bone Ricky. What about Kato would would you? I know a lot of the reality stars in the big brother people hang out after the season. Do you feel that you could strike up a friendship with Kato? It's so weird that you just said that all I thought to myself was how it my father feel like my parents say if all of a sudden, I was like guys catching dinner at Kato, aren't they were just like what happened to your life? What how would you? Let Kato kaylin stain your guest house. Sure. Okay. Kato kaylin Kato Caitlyn. I would allow it. He seems great right? Although I mean, they mar was not happy with him tonight. This about Kato because they don't clean up after you'll grow. Jay. I mean that is really wild. You think you had trouble with the OJ, good luck lack? All right. You wanna bring some questions from the listeners. Okay. All right, and then tired are we getting an H competition tonight? We should at some point. Okay. All right. Let's take some questions here that we have from the listeners of the podcast like a nice group watching us tonight. I hope so I mean, we always have that. I don't think we've had a not nice group that if got great audience you guys. Yeah. Mindy buzzes? We give Joey the power the publicists. Do you think he'll say well now? No, you don't think so ding. Did you ever watch Bassim now? Never. But I did watch some YouTube in Joey, obviously, I did watch some clips once be found out about him being search God hard hitting research. I'm a journalist. Yes. Incredible. Okay. Ian says why would the house go along with this plan teams Dina, Joey candy and Ricky would have better served to be keeping lock the Taryn? That is not how the house unit. Now, the, you know. I talked about this this morning that I feel like Ryan is a perfect person to have on your side. He's easy to bring over to your side. You compared him to a like a puppy Rottweiler. He's just a big puppy. And he's so like all you need to do to win over is just like give him some some treats. And it's easy yours to swim. Every one with he'll he'll be loyal to the end. But nobody was interested in, you know, it's probably because he put most of them up on the block turn us powerful. He's so many people in one week would you've seen that in lock the would've said, okay. This is going to be my person who's going to do my bidding. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I feel like that. That's what when you were the H O H. I feel like that. That's what all the other houseguests thought. Tyler was absolutely right. Is is that is that fair Taryn? Harrison. Yeah, they're like Tyler. He's just doing whatever Caitlyn tells into not. Him as the like, the dumb puppy that was told what the although he was occasionally called Palpa teen. Was much later. And we're talking about during Caitlyn's h it was just beginning in the very beginning. That's that's that was the thing that happened. Okay. Let's take a question from Anthony who says question for Ceylan kin, Ricky Williams, manifest a celebrity big brother victory. Now does does Ricky Williams does he do the same sort of like like, I know he practices like eastern medicine. But does he have that same sort of like ability to manifest goals, any first of all we all? But I think he's like super in tune with it, and it's like a foreign concept to him. So with that of of course, I think you can try, and I think he has a lot of control over his thought. So I mean, he's obviously super composed. I'm interested to see if he cracks at any point though, because you could be I mean, I'll be very impressive. He doesn't but ticks ticks. Lot. But he obviously is a lot of self control. And obviously see him out of a win for tour. Okay. Let's take another question. This one is from James of these. We need to see what all of their Auras are right God. All right Kayleigh. I'll hit you with one goes bond because someone asked before and I thought it was a really good question. So tame ours. Tamers aura. Yeah. What do you? What what do you think? Tim. Whereas. I think it's sort of like multicolor reflective the outside welding mass wrong. So she's actually not right. She's like a yellow and green kind of split mix, which is like super creative and stuff, but lemon lime. That's like a really good way to put. But I would never say that and feel. Yeah. Kmart has a lemon lime aura. No, she's like, very creative very passionate. I think she's a good listener those are all the aspects of the people with that aura. Again. I don't know her like that. I haven't spent enough time with her to really digest. What else that means? Good. Then maybe you can answer. This question for us. Now that. Caitlin has met Melissa. Can you tell us what color her or is? That's from Mike zone straight degree in straight. Not dark. Green light green color, right? Right. Over big, brother. Right over big, brother. So on the scream. Yeah. Okay. So so good. Yeah. First of all, here's our good. Every color is good, except if I see like a dark like black color over you, which I've actually never seen. But now, she's she was lovely and. I don't wanna get too into this person. Yeah. It's personal. I don't wanna do that to her, you know, plus I've gotten to like actually spend a little bit of time with her. So I don't want to. Yes. You got to hang out with with Melissa. And so if Melissa and Taryn we're both drowning. Now, did you now that you've hung out with two thirds of the NFC pay the okay is next is next. Are you going to hang out with Brent, listen if he's ever around? I am down to hang out with them car. All right. Maybe we could have shot and take out our, okay? This question from John. Why is the mooch still in the opening credits? You care if the mooch is in the opening credits. Over a conspiracy wiped it. No, I just I just don't like being lied to like, I just don't like being lied to. And I'll give it a thought. Okay. This moot? No, it's not a twitch is not a twist. It's a twist Sonatine is and you can't you can't tell me anything else. It's just not addressed. I won't hear it. Should we hit up? Dav OSE on her trip around the world. And then ask questions around like what was the mooch really saying? Yes, brother. Yes. I think that something we need to consider provice podcast takes Rican. Stoves tokyo. The around the world with rob. Yes. Nick and set our consider. From ROY who are you rooting for to win this power. Personally. I want fun and dramatic feeds. So hashtag CB Tae. Mar is that all the hash? Takes work has shakes followed by the person's name. Yes. And that is how the voting works, which is the first time I've seen that for big brother and seems a little difficult to tally in my opinion. But we'll see how it goes. Okay. Will you be putting up a one of your famous polls or you out of that business? I already put it up all already put it up. Do you have any early results or you get out want to spoil the re the poll by reveal results the results are freely available currently Tom in the league, which is unsurprising. So our audience now in big brother twenty correct me if I'm wrong there was not any fan voting on on power, right? Was there was a power ups? Remember? But that was they were understandably a little forgetful the power apps. I will never I was passed down power up with my puzzle. So I will never forget that moment which the moment with the puzzle. Yeah, I'm saying I was Sam got a power up. And then it was shooting us it. So it was passed down to me. So power ups cannot be forgotten. Yes. I feel like that. You're you. You started talking about the puzzle, and I feel like your your energy. Shifted. No, no, I'm fine. But I was thinking about I was thinking to myself how did that work upset or you're just being silly? Oh, no, no. I don't get upset at all at all actually found the cutest keychain the other day guys to go on my car key is that was a little puzzle piece. And it says I am on one side. And on the other side you had different options. You could pick courageous happiness. What whatever it was different keychains. And you could change it on the you could just close your eyes and pick one and not someone that you're meant to have kind of thing. So I got one you as should which one you get what am I I am. I think I am possibilities or something like that Bility's appropriate. But I was thinking shifted offer a second. I was thinking like I wonder how that I don't know how it was for you guys when you were told every week like go to this and vote for whatever like, I don't how was that like very confusing because we didn't really know it was like to be trending, right? And and it was like a quiz, right Taryn? It'd be like which house guest is annoying you which really on which writes, it was like a five question quiz, like even if you said like who's in the wing that's still counted as trending I understand basically the correct way to vote was just answer the same name for five questions. No matter what. That makes because obviously took to Twitter when I got off the show when previous houseguests saying don't answer Caitlyn for any of these things. So now. I under him. They did not want me to trend that it. I got it. My God, no hurt. Feelings guys. Okay. To update the current voting based on the hash tags. It does appear that Joey still has a pretty hefty lead. At the moment that be looking at publicist Joey. Publicist joey. Okay, PJ that'd be fun to see him. Get the publicist Itis turn. I knew they wanted to. I'm the hero. The people deserve. I knew they wanted. CBS you ready for that new show Joey Lawrence yet. Doing well. Oh, I'm ready to say my catchphrase every. Roy. Okay. Who reported win the power. We'd be okay. Yeah. And in terms of yeah. I root for tame are Tom green. I think either one five same Andina naturally. Taryn long message. I think I couldn't keep track of what is this power. Do again. Allows you to take yourself off the block for two weeks. You can only do it once but it lasts for two weeks out your age new two weeks of real time or the next to Vic shins. A very for so. Yeah. No only to veterans. Yes. Expires on February fourth veto meeting. It says similar to Tyler's that it can be used at the nomination ceremony or the veto meeting. But unlike Tyler is this is not preventing you from going on the block. This is taking yourself to remove him or herself from nomination, which doesn't make a lot of sense. If you use it at the nomination ceremony. I guess you can immediately take yourself up and not just wait until the veto ceremony. The pendant of protection that Paul had. I may be allow it doesn't say force. The I would assume that I would assume that you're not forced to take yourself off the block as soon as you're nominated. You can just hold it on hold onto it until the does army, but it's confusing always unclear. All right. Let's take some more questions the tabulate or says hope that swimming pool is a daily rental. How? Jessica said we're all rooting for taymor H O H right kissing that taymor H O H T. Mar getting the power of the publicist that'd be amazing Herbie h h would be so funny. You know, it's going to go to she's fun watching her everything. She does is great Brett says Caitlyn are you going to return to big brother in future Kaelin? How how interesting is that idea to you to return to big brother? It's interesting so interesting. It's an interesting idea most interesting idea or just an interesting idea. It's not the most interesting idea. But like, it's interesting. It's something to consider. But Scott at some summer choice. That's unfortunately, not up to me. I don't get to pay. If they came to me and said, we need you on this. I would say. I would say yes brother was fun for you. You you you enjoy playing big brother? Was not fun for me at all. But that being said now that I've come out of it. I see the potential it has to be fun. Yes. What would you do different everything? Yes. I don't wanna give my strategy in case. One of my competitors is watching but yes, I. I know now it would be easier for me because I know how I feel in that house. I know how reacted I know what's going on in the outside world how they perceive me. I mean, they're a lot with change a lot would be different. And I learned a lot. I would probably win you win the game. Yeah. For sure. Well, is that like is that like such a hot take? No, I really think I could very confident I've just learned so much from it that like I. It's hard to win. Easy, not easy. But at least maybe not win. But like at least final like, I know what to do now differently. And I'm not taking that back as I mean it. This is Caroline wants to know how has Ricky managed to missed slash hot box. How the house gets is aura especially positive. I think the term that you're looking for is a contact high. That's too many things too many too many things that's the same number thing. Same number words. Hot box hot boxes. Two syllables. It's technically one word contact ties. Three Sobel's two words. You gotta trunk that. Okay. All right. What colors Williams aura? Yeah. Yellow? Okay. I'm just reading this. Yes. Do you like this? Don't read ahead. Sorry. Social look at here. Let's look at you looking at reading the question. I'm sorry to to answer. The question Ricky, for whatever reason just seems to be able to get people to think he's not threatening. I think he just does have a very chill vibe that has changed. There's basically one day where he was in a bad mood and everything got terrible. But other than that one day. He's just like this like, yeah. Just hanging out. All it's all great. We're people people want it to be Hayes. That's a big one. So you can call it the Hayes. This and the thing with Ricky that and I said it before, but like keep really does have unbelievable self-control despite and I know what you're he got into like a little bit of a friction situation with fraud. Who who did he get into a thing with? Whatever it was a brief moment. I mean, we all have those moments feel keynotes had to bring himself back way faster than most people. So I mean, I'm impressed to meet him in person. I'd like to meet all these people with Ricky Williams lives in the season. Imagine. That would be the strangest thing everybody. Collab-? What would you collaborate on? Some sort of like healing. I would do coaching. He would do like physical healing beautiful. Yeah. Turn your life around with Ricky and Caitlyn. Okay. So so he works more on the physical body, and you work more on the meant. Yeah. Yeah. Like open up a practice together. But love. Love that. All right. Keep it open power of possibility. You are possibilities. Okay. What was it? Better song. Tom's coffee song or just pizza song also high. Caitlyn love you enjoy on the podcast tally tally. Hi, I'm loving the coffee song. What does that get coffees? Coffee is coffee is fun. Of fun. Coffee is a lot of pund coffee is not fun. If you can you can you write a shrimp song? I know you that you are a musical artists on the yet. On the shot is can you make a new hit single slide on some shrimp lipid on the shrimp? It's going to be to me, rob. I'm going to do behave. Hop number. I'm going to do a dance associated with that as well. And I'll send you video doing a rap song at one point. He wasn't gonna have a rap track that he was driving home like forever. And. Radin? I composed a song. Call gotta provide. And it went because God approve that. And we wanted. Oh my God. Are we wanted my ex music producer to produce the track? It's really sad. Sorry. We like we were convinced that like he was listening to the feeds and he would like produce track for us. He was watching. He was watching Joe. Conman. And but yeah, so we had tackled guy provided didn't make it to the top one hundred or anything at all. But we're working on it. We're way to come to lifting on a friend. I think slipping on the shrimp shit could be hit for you. I'm oh my God. I can't believe that was happened slipping. For everyone sign fine. All right. Mindy says were those crocodile tears from low during the Lola was fake crying. Now. It was immediately. I don't think she was I think very much upset. She's emotional clearly motion. All yeah. I think I think they're real chairs. I think that I think the low low was really hurt the whole time that she came into the house, and that she thought that her and locked e we're going to be BFF, and then he made a new friend. I think that Lolo never got over that. Yeah. She she basically said that in the Tigers from and and that's one of the reasons why feel like she might have a hard time winning this game. Because like her big first move was that she got jealous and decided to betray her lines members. Look, it's itself, you see your friend and he's making making new friends. Like, I thought that me and locked the we're going to be 'cause a lot. Now, we all we get it. We all locked the awesome that we all want to be friends with him. Totally. And I'm sure they have such a connection. I mean to be Olympia together. My god. I can see why she connection. It's my God, doesn't it seem like that? Olympia in connection. Yeah. They talked about it. They things go down in the the the Olympic village or whatever it's called. Yeah. I guess so like, I guess like if I went to like a like a podcasting conference, and there was a bunch of other like, oh, hey, remember we were at cast convention, right? Why are you talking to me in that weird voice? I mean that Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan is that you. Say example, rob you pretend that you got mugged at one point. Oh my God. These guys for me. That whole thing makes so much sense. Now, don't you think? Can't you just see it happening now? Haven't even thought about that. We're busted what are we going to tell them? Like, oh, I got it. I got it all makes it really nice. I guarantee you somebody told him to say that he didn't come up with it on his own. Somebody else was like, oh, hey, what if we said this and he was like oh. Great idea for sure it just it's going to real. Yeah. Lock these lack the is the real life Jason from the good place. Reach. Okay. All right. Let's let's Blake Bortles to the Colton power. Yeah. Okay. Peers is a sign up for patriots get access to the full episode reenactments. That's not a real thing. But maybe we'll consider it. Consider it a whole this certain price point. Yeah. Okay. Gregory McBain the great Greg grouping would Ryan outing the four alliance in his victory speech would have helped the case around the troops. Do we think that Ryan really knew about the four personal ci-? Now, maybe had an idea. We have. Yeah. I mean, he either either he's talking about the original alliance that he had with the women that's already been outed or he means that for four persons women have with Tom and Kato which everybody already knows about. So there wasn't really anything to out. I mean, I think it's kind of out in the open, right? Yeah. I mean, Tom found out. Ryan found out about it. Basically what happened is Ryan saw them together. And then he went to tame our and said, hey, I saw those four talking together. And she was like, yeah, they're in the lines Ricky's with them to why are they talking about like when Kato and Tom I've heard whether we're talking to you. But they're like, well, we're together like it. They're only telling you. They're lying is it's strange. But then again, they don't really know what they're doing doesn't change anything two seven three zero. My god. Check it out Gatling cannot talk. She turned on her alliance. Don't to regular me all give Sogen to the haters. And just I'm sorry. It's so difficult. I'm barely on here. And I'm just looking over with my large eyeballs, and I saw it and each I send you Levin light. Okay. That you should never read the live chat. It's so addictive. I'm just like the chat. It's just like in front of me. And I'm just. Yes. Okay. Poke tari. I'm sorry. I'm sorry is focus on terror tonight. Okay. Always just a robot. Terence's Kaelin once tweeted that she was transitioning to full vegan is she'll. Well, she's as a craving for shrimp. Well, here's a thing. No, I did not transition to being begin. I I don't believe that I treated saying I am doing this. I said it's something that I'd consider. Yeah. I consider people tell me about it kind of thing. And I tried it for about a week and a half. And I just think that you know, I have a few health concerns to begin with if you help us. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Everything's fine. But it's just if I've dealt with my whole, I don't think that it's in my best interests, sir. Taking food out of my diet. It's not that's very smart. Yeah. That's the motto here. So do I respect tweeting? Absolutely. If I was able to do it from just my own health perspective. I probably would. But I can't can't do it. All right. Would you consider veganism? You know, I would like to that. I feel like if if there was a way to do it. I feel like worried about not getting enough protein. I mean, I think that I was Pesca -tarian for a bit. So that is Morillas tech. Maybe you should consider that. All right. Consider a lot of work to something about show all the time. Car cheap. Alright Taryn anything anything update from the feeds from today. Not particularly just you know, more Kato kind of being a buzzkill. So anti Kato. How? I listen. I listen, I listen on the life feed than you were you were so sour. I feel like that. I have I have to you force me to be the Johnny Cochran here, and defend Kato side. Are you saying that that are currently ship is that I'm the Brenton near the Tarrant? Can't say that this does to me all the time. No. But you so you're I think the hate the Hato is gone too far on Kato. He just keeps. He's so adamant about what he wants to do. And he won't listen to Tom ever. And I just want Tom to be able to do some that. It's true. You make a valid point. That was very frustrating to watch. When Tom was trying to convince him to Jonathan going home would be a bad idea that was that was hard to watch has gone through a lot this week. Hertie Hertie colon forty. If you watch like two hours of Kato trying to explain how the veto drummer. Would understand where I'm coming from? You love that clip. I do I do. I'll never forget it my entire life. Wow. Wow. About that's a long time. I don't know. You're since you're really beating up on Kato kaylin. Walk a mile in my shoes. Parent. Dramatic. Let me see Caitlin. What are you? What are you tweeting about these days? Yes. What am I talking about? Let's see you tweeted at your pictures from the from the weekend did. I did. Yes. And then with Jonathan. You tweeted recently, this is so annoying. Hashtag to what was so annoying. I don't remember. I just I tweet what I feel about my life. You liked win. Tom green was throwing cereal in the kitchen, then and they still haven't shown that on the episode. We only saw his coffee song. Yeah. And what else you talking about you, like Khalid, love, Kellyanne dust and was Haley's birthday. It was his birthday hybrid. They Healy you don't like three nominees. No, no, no. Let's play what does Kaitlyn like and dislike just looking at my Twitter feed. Let's make the list from you like shrimp. Love you love possibilities. You're learning. This is tell me three things you've learned shrimp possibilities, and and love colleague. Yeah. Let me one more that you just feel like you. I learned about you tonight. Just let me see that. You've system health conditions. Why you can't be vegan makes me concerned about you. I have I have a very it's not that common. Actually, it's like an immune deficiency. So like for you like, no not. Well, I do have. I am any as well. But what I'm talking about more specifically, it's called RJ deficiency. And basically like we all get sick. We all can get cold, whatever I'm way more susceptible to that than the common person. But I'm fine. Okay. Like, we're we're great. I was I mean, listen, I was able to go on a show. So great. What else? What else? Can we talk about buddy talk about? Yeah. What is your daylight hands on the day? A wake up. What time depends on the day. I never liked to wake up later than nine nine would be like the latest morning person. Actually. Yeah. I am a morning person. I like to wake up latest nine, but today, for example, I had to drive to the airport really early. So six thirty wake up meditate first thing for at least if I have the time. Yeah. If I have the time, I'll do it for legitimate half hour. But if I don't have the time like five minutes once or twice a day. I will meditate up to like six times a day. If I have the time it depends on the day. But no J only meditate twice. But I will before I go to bed as maybe three times. So five minutes like the minimum. Coffee journaling or t right? My intentions check my calendar. Answer emails, which is a lot lot. That's wall. Sometimes I have a client. Sometimes I don't I go to the gym. How do you put this all in Kaelin time out of Japan? We can all do it. My life sounds very easy at the moment because it's just like during this and that and the next. No, it's not easy. Not having a solidified not having a nine to five you are responsible for making your own schedule for working from home. And sometimes that's difficult. You have the ability to Brighton tear about if you want to. Tell me tight like people don't understand. It's a lot of self control. So, you know. You know, I'm just out here. Hustling doing my best coming up with fun ideas, reaching out to people guys for you. Everything's going good. You're happy very happy. Okay. Are you concerned that was a really sweet moment from him? I I make no bones about it. Then so invested in you and your happiness that you are one of my favorite people that I get to talk to my people. You know, asked Taryn that that Taryn do I do I do I gush about them and the other people? No, you're not a gusher like in this family. You know what I mean? Well, look we. Well, we welcome you. You're such a good sport about things. And that we love that you like to come and play with us so down all the time. Yeah. That's that's the way. And you're so good with the fans. Yeah. What's your favorite TV show at the moment? Yes. My favorite TV show at the moment of TV or no. Not that much. But as I can't even you my favorite TV show at the moment is, but my God have you seen the fire festival, which one did you like I watch Hulu on yet? I've just watched the NUP like almost go to the fire festival. No, absolutely. Not first of all. Okay. Well, one your own lineal. It was like two years ago music industry would have been a smart idea that being said you need to be like the very rich. And there was no connections or anything. Did you watch the one on one on Hulu, and how was it? It was good the one on ethics. I can't stop it. It was not even that. I was just so invested. I my number one searches right now on Google are Billy McFarland and literally five minutes before we started. I said grill grilled trip recipes just so K. So right now, all it says my phone is Billy McFarland. Whereas now do McFarland what Chelsea McFarland how old is everything about Farland girl, trim recipes. So now us one know everything about building before you wanna meet Billy McFaul. I I don't know that I wanna meet Billy mcfarland's or. See about the other thing. Like, I think is really sweet and sensitive side to him. He as well. Watch these movies documentaries. My God you haven't. Well, I think the the live feeds comeback by the time aren't ternary busy tonight or like. Ez compassi Kaelin plants you have to go. We're going on twitch, Cody Allen's gonna join us. I don't think he likes me very much anymore. Why what happened? Basically, basically, we're both from the same hometown. We're both of us. A prequel backstory. No there is no backstory. He sent me a really nice message on Facebook. When I go to the house saying good job. And I made a very not funny joke back that his his brother, and I are good friends heroes wrote to me like like good job. It was great watching you. And then I wrote. Regretfully? Joke. I wrote God lake so funny to delist celebrities coming out of plain view, joking joking. No response. Okay. And his brother was like, then we can get to the bottom of this tonight on twitch, please. Let me know let me know. And Stephen F, you're watching sending love and light would love to get a bagel with you. All right. Well, what do you look? We all are footing. Our mouths sometimes me more than spats. It happens happens when you make a joke and people don't think it's funny. Since happens. But we gotta move. We all have to move on gas Levin moving on love and life look back. Okay. What's next for you? What are you that? What do you have coming up? A few like, fun ideas. Maybe guys will see me on TV maybe won't. Maybe I'll come out with some more things. Maybe I won't. I don't know. Billy mcfarland. Do you think that he was a good guy? Do you feel like he had he had good intentions or or his intentions all along where to spur everybody over? I think. I think he had good intenders. I also just think that he lived in LA La Land a little bit like, I don't I don't even think he got to the level of realizing like am ice cream. I don't think he got there. Oh my God. In on the first one, I'll take the money home. My god. He would win he would win or can everyone's. Two three I would lose. Although he's in jail for the next six years. But. Six years from now, imagine I'm so obsessed. Look, sometimes the big brother players, go to big brother. I and then jail. I haven't reached shootout yet. I'm sure at some point. I'm just getting guys McFarland. If you're watching we'd love to see you on Slavic, brother. Okay. Somebody watching this podcast from Jim jail that you should do. It was hashtag for anybody. Who's watching us from jail. Hashtag. CB taymor. Hashtag gotta think about. All right. Well, ceylan. I don't want these podcast to and. Now, we're having so much fun though. I'm trying to think of like a really good like, hey, guys. Like if you're watching from prison like. Watching from us. Watching Chang on death row about what's coming up. And then maybe we'll have some more suffocated. All right. Okay. Fine. Okay. Tarn Winslow Donut. It's been a while. Unfortunately, why do is have donuts at the we did not have donuts together to donuts. No, huge Donut guys sweet sky. I like candy more than say a doughnut. What about like my cupcakes cookies? Certain cookies. Okay. What do you mean? Certain cooking like a chocolate chip cookie. But I'm not like all cookies. But if you had a zeppelin. Ice cream now I like ice cream. Sure, you just won't frequent ice cream. Yeah. I try not to keep it in the house. That's really my move. Absolutely. Not not to try not to okay. Father. We have some when kids aren't that? Good. All right. We up on the up on the website right now. This is Kelly Wentworth she's going to be playing in survivor thirty eight and her third time back out. We got a profile up on her up on Robin's web sitcom, the greatly on abortion. And I talked about Kelly wet where thin coming up dropping later on tonight. We have our profile David Wright, talk to Shannon gates about David Wright that'll be up. What do you think of the new artwork that I said, hey, Scott? I think you need a picture of Taron in the artwork for the live feed update. What do you think of that pretty so excited looks like Karen is kind of like literally never been happier with the taymor and the trickster shall man's showman. Hey, look Hagia here with my girlfriend checks, check out this picture. I made him are and Taryn really there. What's their showman's name, Taryn, Tama, Tara, mar? There's I don't know tell you know. I can't I can't do it. Yes. Okay. So check check that out tomorrow like shipper, just like. Surrealists levin. Have you been following lifebeat? Updates in the morning. Why? Because you wake up busy meditating. I'm biz if I feel like if I miss anything, I will say if I miss anything, and I I don't see it on Twitter. If I have any questions, you would be the first person I'd go to Charon. I would be like what just happened? Tell me the latest. I appreciate your hard hitting Dern. I don't have time to keep up with that. Who's your best friend from big, brother? That's not from your season. Well does over the top count. I mean Morgan, Alex. Okay. Fine fine said than we won't we won't through them my best friend from not my season. I mean, I'm really close with Elena, and I'm really close with Josh Elena, and I are very Mark. I love Mark. I love Mark. I mean, Mark comes with the Elena. I mean, but I love Elena love Josh Martinez. A lot Andy. And I have a bit of a great banter. I love Andy. People don't like banter. We enjoy it with each other. You know, I'm trying to think no one Josh to Andy three. Always underrated. But but the Willett sisters if they were included they would be taught into I spend every way better Alex or Morgan I literally could not couldn't pick. Now, they're both so different like, so different. I could not pack genuinely, and I would tell you if I it and then Elena would be three then. Well, I spend more time with Alex mortga Elena Choon doesn't live here. So Mark was included. He would be smart. No, you're not included in the top five top lousy. But not included in the top five like him. I don't talk unless he's in the background of a FaceTime. Do you ever face time can your do you ever get like two two of them? Do you ever get like a lane and another person that's not Mark eating while they're together. Well, do you ever get like multiple big brother people on like one call like what's that? Now. Now, we have not yet maybe star on something that can do it. Now. Whenever you want funds. Whenever okay. All right, then we've got still Wednesday night and listen to this. We have got I'm so excited about this. Caitlyn? Yes. That Scotties gonna talk to us on Wednesday Cam. He really is. So sweet I'm so excited. You're gonna love him. Have you spoken we've been dealing but never on this level. None of us. Well, so I mean who's on who's on this level? So. Yeah. So excited. He's very sweet you'll like Melot a lot of fun really kind. No pumped up talk some game with Scotty on win on Wednesday night. I'll be tuning in good. Okay. Of course. I wanna thank the patrons Roberts podcasts Robbins websit at com slash patron. For more information. We don't have any episode reenactments yet. Oh, yeah. We got not like swaggie, see. I mean that a fraction of. You see we do our best with the browse podcasts patriot community and everything in between bras web. So that com slash patron for more information on that. Okay. Well, what will you do after this? You'll go home and just just meditate. Now, that's not where all day. Well, first of all I have to go to trader Joe's. I shop there to obviously does it. I have some citrus to pick up. I'm running out of oranges and a lot of oranges weird too late blood oranges. I don't love them. Go through these weird phases. I need a grapefruit or an orange. It's so strange so running out of that really meet. I also need some lemons. I usually have nine lemons in a bowl in my house. It's good for funkaway. Write it down hot tip again or take Martha's. Well. Lemon lime. Mom, not gonna have any limes. But yeah, no. I got to go food shopping. I'm going to pick up some person. I don't know. But I'm definitely gonna keep you guys updated. I will take a picture of my tweet it. I'm going to hash. Caitlyn shrimp has. Kato slipped on the shrimp. Owns now. Cooking whatever swimming on some shrimp. Jags slip it on Trab you slipping on trip. Slipping on her friend. I'm going to take a video of me slipping on a shrimp. The name of your song. Tom green. You should be cooking. The shrimp and be like shrimp is funds Trent. Yeah. I'll make coffee. Andrew also wanted to hit at me any like fun, trim recipes that you have happened to make recently. But you think I would enjoy please let me know now because I am going to go shopping, and I'm going to need to get all the ingredients. Okay. All right. Do you have an aunt is shrimp recipes? Do you think Nicole mate? No, not she not a good. She's not be. Sure. Yeah. That's not. That's not what she does best not her area of expertise. Okay. All right. Ceylan? This was so much fun. I really I appreciate so much. I appreciate you. I appreciate you coming in here. And. Having so much fun with us. Nonsense and not being like. All right. What are we going to wrap this up? Never never. I love being here. I love you is I love all of you that watch despite maybe some people that don't want to see me on this. I still appreciate all of you so much. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you for watching this great community. And I'm happy to be a part of it. Let me I check my Twitter mentions to see what people are saying to me. But he says anything. Somebody says rob looks like a ghost next Kaelin. Cher. Cher. We knew that. Yeah. I mean, really. I mean, I don't know if it's as bad. It's very it's very bad. Do you think it's worse Taryn because I have the red background? What if we switched chairs can we? Take these off. The wire will will. Sure, it doesn't realize is that as soon as Caitlyn. Okay. It's all right. Also. Okay. Do you want to know if you wanna put my mind, I don't mind, I don't mind you can you can go for go for it. I mean is that is that? Arrive as my headphones are so much louder. Right. I actually enjoying this guy's. It is me Keelan Herman welcome to the show where am I looking where do you look Taryn? Give us latest on demand. I'm not on the screen, which is which is great. Messin around mass. All right. Well, don't you're taking a dump in your apartment. Yeah. What are you doing? What are you? What are you? Yeah. I am getting away to soundboard. Sorry. Yeah. I just wanna say thank you for joining us. So you're gonna in the show. In may go for even well, I'll put all have to come around and push the button to end the show, but you can you can end it Sino where it's out. Well, I saw in my Twitter mentions Armstrong Taryn is completely right about Cato. He's the worst. I don't I don't know if rob saw that that OJ Simpson. And this podcast on a note of negativity. Taryn and. Thought to close their eyes hold on where guided meditation. Okay. Thank you, everyone for joining us to J Terron, close your eyes. Thank you, author taking pictures, they take one more deep breath again. Focusing on the intention of the night in XL letting go of any and all negative energy. Bama, stay of light. You may open your eyes. Has slipped Nana? Sure. 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Big Brother 21 Sunday Night Recap

Rob Has a Podcast

1:18:35 hr | 1 year ago

Big Brother 21 Sunday Night Recap

"From my apartment EDSA rob has a podcast and now here's the guy who's ready to bring you all the highlights and not just the ones that smell like Bob cat p. I am rob sister Nino. Hello, everybody, and welcome to our live. Big brother coverage first Sunday night of the big brother season. And we had a fun show plan for you tonight, because I am going to be joined by Mr. Taryn Armstrong to talk about everything that's going on. A man who's already been talking for ten thousand hours already about big brother. Twenty-one taryn. Welcome. I'm just incredibly relieved right now that you didn't change the music about the outer music yet. But hopefully everything's gonna stay the same because my, my whole core has been shaken. Okay. Yeah. Attaran talked about it new music at the end of big brother. I know Taryn doesn't like change. And I think a lot of people probably won't like this. Win the power of veto and will it be used to save either cliff or Catherine from vision? Find out Tuesday at eight seven central on big brother. Yeah. I don't know. Did they get flagged on YouTube also like we did on summer Stein, where we were using that because they Corey beak and record a cappella version for them that might be able to pick it. They could use that instead because that would be a lot better. Listen. Have you heard this? I can't believe I didn't get okay? So that's what's going on. There send it to them, rob. Yes, we'll send it in. We'll send it. I mean look, I'm all about change. The music has certainly changed over the years. But I gotta say, the music was I feel like their best work in my opinion, and I'm gonna miss it. I wonder if the license expired or anything like that, like, I that was not music that was composed for big brother risen from what I understand from finding it on YouTube. Okay. So there you go. All right. So we have really fun surprise for you tonight. Because what we're going to do is that Taranaki going to recap the episode. We'll get the latest from the life feats, because the ball has moved from even this morning. When Taryn Kirsten had a great life, eat update and then we're going to take your phone calls a later on in this hour. So just to give you the order, we're gonna talk about the episode. We're going to talk about everything we learned here tonight, then we're going to get all the updates of just we'll Darren will give you the full day tomorrow morning on the light beat up. They plus LLC roundtable. So we'll just sort of get the highlights and anything newsworthy from today couple of big notes to talk about. And then we're going to take your phone calls in the way this is going to work is going to put the number up on the screen. Okay. And you can go ahead. And call into our line. And then I will go ahead and bring you onto the show, and let's, let's do a couple of calls, and as long as we're having fun. We'll keep taking them. And then eventually, you know, got gotta get back to the live feeds tonight. Okay. So a lot to do here tonight, Taryn. How are you? Doing. Well it's, it's been an exciting week things have been very, very, very crazy. Also, we've got plenty to look forward to. Well, I want to compliment you on your outstanding work as usual on the morning updates. You've been doing a great job. Great great work all week long with a mon- puja and Kirsten and be sure to check Taryn out every morning live at eleven AM eastern eight AM Pacific for all of that. What's coming up on the roundtable tomorrow night tomorrow night? Well, first of all the updates it's, it's, it's detailed, you're going into everything that's going on during the day. The updates are where you can go to if you're just looking for, like the overarching narrative of the week, if you wanna get the recap of what's been happening during the week, you check out that on the roundtable. And then, of course we're going to go into detail about each individual player and what they're what they've been doing throughout the week and we're gonna rate their games. One by one. It's very fun. And it's it's, it's a blast drop. Okay. All right. We've already got a bunch of people on hold for there. I'm gonna take the number off the screen innovative, because we've already got, like eight people on hold that want that wanna call ends and then take the number off the screen for a little while because I don't want to have, like eight people on hold by the time we get those, it's going to be like thirty minutes before we get to. Okay. All right. So there you go. All right. So you guys on hold you guys. You guys hang out, and we'll get you in a little bit. So we had our first big Sunday night's show, and we got to see the wack Titi competition. We found out who had the power, so a lot of stuff from the week before the live feeds kicked off Taryn that we're not even at the point yet, where the live feeds had started. So a couple of news worthy items from what's the biggest in your mind, certainly, the, the, the wack Tanggula competition? That's that we saw. We finally learned who has the. Power. Yes, yes, we learned that it was Lovie of a lengthy competition here, the activity competition. And we spent a good like twenty minutes of the show on this. Yeah, I mean, it's very important that we learn all of the details about the different subtleties in the sense of various forms of urine yet, different forms of urine. Now when we have one of the twenty cents that's out there fresh vomit. Now, what are we simulating that or the PA from a big brother need to produce the props? Yeah. Are these like the Harry Potter jelly beans? Or are they the real real deal? Yeah. So visit couple of things here, real animals. Real skunks raccoons running around the back yard. You know, it kind of looks like, but I feel like no I feel like it's a lie. Like, do you feel like this is one of those, like, augmented reality? Hey, look at me with a stormtrooper. They weren't really in the backyard. And we just superimpose them where there ever actual shots of the players and live animals in the same shot or those shots stuffed animals. It seemed like that cliff found the skunk at one point. In can work. Magic. That was the thing that happened. I thought. So we, we spent a long time on the competition. It really went back and forth, a couple of different ways. Bella was so confident in the diary room Taryn that she told us exactly what each thing was. I was blown away when she had nothing. Right. She might have only got one right by the end. Yeah. She did very I was convinced that she was going to win. She even had like the good music behind tear. I clearly Bella has got this one. No. She did. She did very poorly, this is. I know what this is I because my mom took me here. And I know exactly I'll never forget what that's Mel. And then we thought cliff had a shot at this thing. And I think that cliff was probably the prohibitive favorite that people thought had this power? Yeah. I mean, certainly, he's one of the people who I would trust the most to be able to keep it to himself at the very least in terms of just like you know he knows the game and he would know to keep it secret. And, you know, so he was doing well you know, he clearly he has a whole host of life experiences. He knows different kinds of urine like the back of his hand. But unfortunately, I think it was the fish one that he couldn't get care member. Yeah. Yeah. And this does speak to something that Eric was talking about on summer Stein this week, which you haven't checked out that went up on Friday. Do big brother producers know what happens at a camp because that somehow this was the competition that they came up with to simulate the experience of being at a camp. Yeah. Well, look, I unfortunately, I have no personal experiences at camps like summer camp. Be kind of things like what we're doing here. I do have experienced like actual camping and I can't say that you do occasionally run into things like urine, and skunks and such. So I feel like it's pretty accurate. All right. So Lovie ends up being the winner. This was a huge episode for Lovie. I was not expecting Lovie, too. I think we don't get a confessional count on big brother. But I thought he really dominated airtime tonight. I feel like he's a compelling character to watch. I mean, there's a reason we were all drawn to him preseason is that he, he is able to tell a story really well, he knows the game really well too. So he's able to talk about it in a unique way, especially in comparison to the rest of the cast, and he's just a lot of fun. And he's quirky. And he's, he's easy to make into like these funny scenes, especially the one where he's like I just made the first alliance twenty one it's like, oh, he had a lot in the diary room and a lot of moments in the house, also. And I was getting a Ian, Terry early on in the season of vibe from him. Did you feel that at all I felt I felt a little more Steve, Moses than intend, Ian was kind of, like run around the house. Yeah. He Steve told Dave on I love you. And she left the room, exactly it was it was a little more love you than, you know, crazy running around. I mean, Lovie had like four or five moments in this episode that we're really just off the wall and not necessarily intentionally off the wall. There was the moment where the first time I think we saw him tonight. He was in the he was in the room when Christie came in and she wanted to get dressed. We've carson. This week, your call him beckoning. Thank I don't need anything, would I need to figure out a system on where I'm going to get dressed. I guess. I'm going to go in the girls room under my bed. What, what how somebody get dressed under a bed? Taryn. I something to do with call in beckoning. I imagine. He's just he's, he's a stumbling over some words here. It's a little bit. Like his version of Dr truck where, I think what he's crying mentioned all. I think that's a euphemism. I drive like I drive drunk driving truck. I believe in dinosaurs. Building pyramids. Everything's cool. Work on my Sam, let me, let me listen to Sam, and then I can. So I walk in the yard, and I see are these three activity signs chaos panic and nightmare. None of these even sound good. I walk in a yard and I say they sign that I'm like, what? Anyways, I drive truck. So then I offer Kennedy. Changing session under my bed. Like what my bed what smells like Bob cat. All right. Speaking of Bob cat. Alright taryn. So we got the formation of we saw the six on Tuesday Wednesday night, it's been forever since we had an episode so much has changed the world that big brother. But we now got the we went from six to eight with this big alliance. And we ultimately got a name for this alliance, and they are grateful with an eight yes, they went from hateful. Eight. Which don't forget, the, the original name, Aaron the lack the Ocho Ocho I forgot about. Yeah. Ocho. Yeah. Very regional as we get down to. I think I think was it. It was it Kristie sitting like, oh, what about the grateful grateful, the grateful, grateful? Yeah. Then grateful, winning Nick was like with spelled with an eight it's brilliant. I'm a genius. Nobody could have ever thought of this before. Yes, I Nick started working he was so excited about. Is that how you celebrate rob come up? Pawn, like a really good. Need to get up and do it now. But it needs to it needs to be genuine need to actually come up with. That's what I do. So, yes. Oh, congratulations to grateful for coming up with the name. We have the dishes of Tommy and analysts into the alliance. And so now again this big night for Lovie, a lot of a lot of things about Lovie. So we have this conversation ends up happening, where in, in the in the bedroom, there is talk where it's Tommy, and Nick and Jack later on, and they're talking about the eight and unfortunately, they talk to loud, and Lovie is we've seen this a couple of times in different big brother seasons. He's able to he's hearing everything he's pretending he's asleep. And so now he Lovie is the person that knows about the eight but everything that happens to Lovie after this is just a combination of bad luck. And also. Not great control this information. Yeah. You know what you should do. When you find out that people are either in alliance or looking to form an alliance is go to the people that are doing that. And don't tell them that, you know what they're doing, but just be like, hey, I would love to work with you guys. Try and build relationships with them because you know that they're forming something. And you just want to be included in it. Now, what Lovie did was maybe not the worst thing he went to somebody that he felt he could trust. I imagine unfortunately for him us wrong about that. But then the worst thing he did was go to the H, O H Lovie, as a fan of the show should know that without fail. The first eight your wage is always included in the plans for the first lions though, he should have known. This was bad news. Yeah. Yeah. And it only got worse later on in the episode when he wanted to create his own alliance of five with everybody else. Who was already in a. Exactly. Yeah. That was also that was also really bad where he was the only person who was not in the alliance that he was trying to form. Now, this was shades of Ian Terry, where they basically just created an alliance with Lovie. Yeah. But hey it turned out. Something something great. Yeah. One I don't know. We got a lot from cat tonight. Also Taryn and we got to see a lot of cat with the dodo music. And, and also some trippy music, trippy music. Yeah. Catherine had a different experience while she was out there on the backyard competing in the competition. She has an unusual reaction to Bob cat p. Hi. All. Like Bob cat p. Yeah. Boy. Yeah. I don't know she recommending it. I don't know rob. I mean, have you ever Kurd it described? Being high off of manure in Bob as like the Kardashians. Like all the time like. Like. Talks like, like Kardashian, after smelling manure and p also she was talking like a Kardashian, and then she was like, and that's how Kardashians talk, and I was like, oh, I thought that was just her speaking. Yes. Yeah. We don't know her well enough to, to know exactly that she's doing an impression of Kardashians. That was that was different. So, yeah. But we got to see Kristie come to this decision that we ultimately got to nominate cliff and Catherine for the block this week. How do you think? H O H Christie did with these nominations in terms of breaking the news to Chris to Catherine into cliff? I wasn't the biggest fan of this, obviously, you want to be as vague as you can. And so, I don't mind it too much here. But obviously cats off through it. Right. So when you did it to cliff it was, like, okay I understand, and he believed that he was on throw it. Exactly. And cat can see through it. Granted cat would probably see through even the truth, and that you are still trying to backstab her, but still that means she's the wrong choice to put up as upon because or even as a target and pretend that she's upon. In that case you should just be straight up up front with her. But yeah, so I don't love the fact that she did not succeed in making cat feel comfortable. That was not the best. No. And the cat was sheets told her brace yourself and it could could be you and cats litter on. She's going to back door Christie. That's she's calling. Call her shot on that one. Cliff was also brought into the loop. How do you think that cliff handled this Taryn that he basically had a moment like going back to big brother, seventeen of Johnny Mack? We want you to go on the blonde. No, that was in the diary room. Cliff is going to say, yes, can we use that Johnny Matt clip? Every time a love island commercial comes on in the us Johnny max likeness advertise love islands. Are you ready for love island? Do you like? No. You ready to see people sleep in the same bed? Yeah. Cliff. Spied in something that I think every fan of the show has wondered what you would do if you were in that position. And somebody tells you look, I wanna put you up as a pawn, do you fight do you accept it? How do you go about this? I feel like given his position in the game and given his position in the caste he did it about as well as he could. He was basically, like look, do I want to be there. Of course not. Do I understand will I hold a grudge? I won't hold a grudge and I do understand. And I think that that's the best that he can do, because he doesn't really have the clout in the house to be like, no don't you dare. Yeah, he's got to go along with it and just hope the wheels. Don't come off. That's, that's basically the situation that he's in, and he's just got to keep his fingers crossed and hope that nobody ends up coming up with a reason. Like I mean Steve last season was Steve wasn't bad, right? I mean it wasn't like that. Steve had like a ton of mistakes that ended up being made. Ultimately ended up in in him being the first person to go home. Yeah. I mean, Steve was kind of the initial pawn as well and he played pretty well. Also the thing that screwed Steve was that was was a couple of things. One was that Tyler turned out to be much much, much more than a appeared and Tyler decided that he wanted to. He was he bonded with Sam essentially and decided he wanted to keep 'em. And then SAM's power was an additional motive for Tyler to keep her in the game and then Toews able to do his magic with with Caitlyn but Steve's should've been safe that week. I think Steve played about as well as he could have. I think I think cliff is as well. So that doesn't speak the best to Clinton's ear buds. He's doing what he can. It's almost like you know you should prepare to be on the block that first week if you're in that spot, and then sort of just like you know, hold on for dear life that they ended up putting somebody up next to you. That's going to ultimately remain a bigger target for the rest of the week. Yes. It's tricky. It's, it's tough. It's a high wire act jerky sticking your head in a bucket. Full urine. Yeah. But then you hope that you end up, you know. Walking away from it surviving and then ending up, you know, having some goodwill built up with the house moving forward. Exactly. Okay. All right. So I wanna talk about some other events from the other thing. So let's talk about the weirdness that ended up coming up where we had where Chemi wants to talk to Christie tonight, and that ends up turning into something that Christie and Jack can't believe how dare Chemi talk to them about Lovie, she'd go on the block. This was very strange. This was it doesn't really add up in the way that they portrayed it without going into spoilers. I think that what we saw earlier in the episode with Kemi talking about Jack and Jackson. I think that, that was also related to the people in power in, including Jack and Jackson, and Christy. And so they were already kind of sour on Cami, and so being sour on Cami. And then her. Coming up and having the audacity to talk to them that was more along the lines of what happened, I think rather than that being the thing that actually set them off. They were so mad. They're so indignant about the whole thing. Are you? You come to H O, H and tie. And, and you suggest a person. And don't ask, hey, what do you think is are you crazy? You kidding me? Yeah, this is this is a little bit of taste. What's happening in this very cliquey season of big brother, always all over the place. Are you like how could you? How could you do this? And if she's talking about him, she must be talking about other people, too. Yeah. That's definitely how it works. And the fact that we're talking about people. I mean that's totally fine. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. All right. So we see some of Christie and Jack here on this Sunday night. A let me see if there's anything else from tonight. I wanna make sure that we get to before we start to take some questions and then get into talking about the live feeds. We found out that cliff as a young man. He had a pet. Pet skunk as a kid, my brother, nine named him or. Oreo. Oreo. Oreo oreo. Yeah. I hear Dory. Which makes sense. Yeah. That's okay. You go. All right. So I'm sure we'll come back to any other headlines from the night. Let's take some questions, then we'll talk about the live feeds. Let's go to our good friend, Eric Stein says ha at rob sister broke the post nomination outra music. Yeah. What have you done Herrick on summer Stein? Get rid of it teach those guys. All right. Wouldn't have been logical to target someone in your wack group better odds at winning a power, that's from BBC prevent Terron. Is that getting too cute? Not necessarily in particular. I do feel like it was a bit risky here for Christie to nominate two people that just competed for power. There are only five people that competed. So the odds are actually pretty decent at one of the two people. You just nominated has this power and is going to screw with your nominations, especially coming from somebody who says that she wants to cause the least amount of waves shortly in a house of fifteen people, you can find two people that didn't just compete for huge power. Yeah, let's talk about the power itself, which we found out that Lovie has. So it's the nightmare power, where that you can make somebody else's H O H into a nightmare where then the nominees go up. And then in the middle of the night of the HOA, ch and a whole house will be woken up. They'll have to make new nominations on the spot. Taryn. Do you like this power? Of course, not particularly. I don't I don't mind the theatrics of it. I think that, you know. To watch this power play out, especially on the feeds would be interesting to have nominations come in, and then all of a sudden people wake up and feeds come back in their new nominations. They had to do it on the spot. That's, that's kind of interesting, especially in the earlier weeks, where I feel like it's not going to interfere as much with the main game plan. I don't love it lasts for six weeks. This is unless you get very unlucky, essentially six weeks of immunity. So I don't love that. But it's not the worst thing, I've come up with. Yeah. It's not I wouldn't say immunity is the is the right word unless you get very unlucky, rob. Yes. Yes, you know that because they can only be used after the nominations not after veto correct. Exactly. Okay, so interesting. Interesting power. Are we going to get like two more powers that are similarly, powerful? I would imagine. So I mean, I would say that the initial power that they gave in big brother twenty was probably one of the most impactful. So perhaps it will be slightly less powerful, but I don't know. It really, really depends. Okay. All right. Let's take another question. This is from Justin, was it right of Lovie to be protective in project, proactive informing new alliance should he just chill is the goof, edit. He's getting warranted Taryn. Do you think that? How should we be viewing Lovie, the TV character, you know, it's, it's hard to say because this is the portion of the feeds that we did not get to see. So it's hard to know for sure. Whether or not it's warranted based on what I've seen on the feeds ov- is not that awkward. I mean he's not like the smoothest operator, but he's not like dodo music all the time kinds of awkward, but he might have been worse than the first week. So who knows? He's thirty. I would say, yes, he certainly treated as an outcast. And, you know, it's, it's been all over the place that people feel that he's being bullied to, to a degree in the house, as well based on being outcast as he is. So, you know, it's, it's hard to say, wow, if the if the edit is correct, it does seem like it seemed to me, like it was reaching a couple times, like change under my bed. That was that was warranted. But some of the other moments, I did feel like were was that really that awkward like in the first episode when he's like, hey, and you guys can just hold my waits for me. That was kind of a funny joke that wasn't lifeless super of another moment. This wasn't Lovie thoroughly. This was Lovie when it comes to Annelies comes to SIS and wants to tell her hey I heard some of the guys talking about stuff late at night. Sleeve. Carrozza. Game stuff. No, not, not a bad stuff. Gary stuff. No coast. I know this is young but I heard I heard a couple of guys talking, and maybe she's playing because she's in the eight but. Heard a couple of guys. And they were they were talking at night. Late night about like, oh. Scare like scary stuff. Those talking about who they're crushes were in. I wasn't one of them. What are you saying, Lovie? Scared. You don't know that the big brother house is onto. All right. So the question let's get the live update. Okay. This is from Jalen. What happened to the days when the house would keep their eyes open and their lips zipped? The way Danielle radius taught us. Yeah. Is open mouth close can't lose. Yeah. You know, I think that's still the case. I think there are people in this house that are doing that Lovie is in, particularly one of them. Okay. And then let's. This next this next question is getting into the spoiler. So let's let's go ahead. And let's let's do that up. Okay. We'll get into the live feed update and then we're gonna take phone calls from the listeners here tonight. Very excited about that actually this one's okay? John Barbara's, which whack tippety. Would you choose Taryn? I believe they were what chaos nightmare or panic. I probably would have gone with nightmare. Chaos would have been my second pick. Maybe I would have gone. Okay. I done chaos and panic before nightmare. Really? Yeah. Emerged sounded cool to me thinking about it. I do love chaos. Chaos is the best panic is. Nightmares? I wanna know. Sounds like it's not as big as chaos or nightmare panic. Sounds just like a lesser one. Well, I'm not looking for excitement from I want the, you know, I wanna I wanna eat a nightmare. Okay. All right. Let's start to set up if you're going to bounce out here don't want any of the live feeds come on back on Tuesday night. We've got a real great show, Angie rockstar is going to be with us on Tuesday night. Don't forget, it's a Tuesday Wednesday week fourth of July on Thursdays. We're gonna have the veto ceremony on Tuesday night, and then we will have our live vixen on Wednesday night. So you've got us and big brother three out of the four nights in a row here this week. So busy week of big brother. Let's go ahead and talk about another busy day on the live feeds. The office of civil defense issued the following message is spoiler warning. Spoiler warning means than actual. Spoiler free has and shooting. Take. Scary stuff scary stuff going on in the house Terron. It's carrying scary. Scared stuff. Spells bad. All right. Terron are busy day. Because today finally we had our power veto ceremony. Can you can you give us the life? You'd update every single day of people are just have been not keeping up with the lives. Can you give us the real like? Mid thirty second minute version of to get up to this point. Yes. So Christie nominated cat and cliff with cat as the target here initially, but as we, they sort of hinted to in the episode Jack Jackson particular, were pretty anti-campaign. They heard that she was talking about them. I think they heard that from Bella and so they started to push for a Cami backdoor, and that became the plan for the eight, and so that was going along pretty nicely for a little while until Jackson started to get a little bit jealous of Jack's relationship with Christy. They felt like they were really close. He's starting to Jackson, starting to have a little bit of a thing with catch and Jack told Christie about it wasn't happy about that. So he started talking to Christie saying, hey, it seems like you jacker really close that started to get Christie all paranoid about people are associated me and Jack, I'm. Doing what Jack wants I shouldn't be doing. With Jack ones shoes. So she started to doubt the plan of back door and Chemi, and that spirals for a few days. It goes back and forth. It's total chaos and craziness. Unloving Christie, so far. I feel I feel that she's fine. She's bringing me that big Caitlyn energy that I need in the house. So I really I really am enjoying what she's bringing to the table. True. True chaos. Coming from the universe in the form of Christie, and she is going to really be all over the place here until she finally lands on. You know what screw Jack? I hate him, although I'm still in aligns with a minnow work with until finally, but I hate him, he's a bully, and I'm not going to do what he wants. I'm mad as hell. And I'm not gonna take it anymore. And I am going to not door Cami, and so she decided not to do the back door Chemi plan. Meanwhile Sam won the veto Sam wants to use the veto on cliff because everybody loves cliff and he wants to use veto on cliff because he loves click. So when Christie approach Sam about not using the toe to not backdoor Comey and stick with the plan to Vic cat Sam. Like. Oh, but I really wanted to go. And so he was offering you said it. I mean I don't know. I don't know about that plan. I told cliff that I was going to use it. I was I was talking. I was talking to Nick about it too. And he was like, let's stick the plan. I don't know why we're not doing this. And so I don't know what about what about Lovie? We could nominate Lovie. Right. He nobody cares about Lovie. And she was like Samya genius. I'll just nominate Lovie and everything's gonna be fine. We'll all vote Oviedo. And so that's what she did. Sam used the veto Lovie was back doored. His power is kaput another big brother twists in the in the toilet as totally up. Okay. Are we that set that it's going to be Lovie going home? It does not look good. I can say I feel like I've been surprised to see so much that it's in this crazy house where so much has changed from day to day on surprised that there's that, that kind of certainty already from, from everybody. I. I'm with you. I was I was predicting that Chemi flip would happen in that Cami could stay. But when I look at Chemi verses catch versus Lovie versus cat. I don't like it nearly as much and a large part of that is because Lovie doesn't have as many connections as Cami did can you had a good relationship with Bella, even though bell is kind of the one that sold out and win with Bella kind of comes Nick, Nick kind of liked coming, and, or Nick has a lot of sway in the house. So there was a lot of room to maneuver, their Nick, however, really wants Lovie out. He doesn't want Lovie in the game. Sam doesn't want Lovie in the game. Everyone else's kind of started to come around on Hobie. They don't mind him too much. But there are a lot of forces in the house that are just really going in the other direction could have a bad a couple of days, certainly so so one of the main things here is that cat has kind of thing as we mentioned with Jackson. So Jackson immediately told. Obi. I'm sorry. I can't vote for you. He was under the impression they were still going to keep him. But in that it was going to be a sympathy vote. But he was like, I know you're gonna stay, but I can't vote to keep you. I'm sorry. Then went to talk to Jack and Nick. And they're like, no, we're voting him out. And he's like, oh, and everything's fine. And so he can't get Jackson without Jackson. He can't really get Jack either without Jackson or Jack or Nick. That's like a three of the bigger players here. Kristie just put him up Christie still really wants them out for now at the very least Tommy just doesn't wanna rock the boat. All of these people in the eight aren't really people that he can sway at the moment at the very least. And then, of course, we have Hawley and her relationship with cat, which we have reason to believe is stronger because of an outside connection. It's really hard to see Holly ever flipping against catch. And now we also have a women women's alliance beginning to form, which obviously would favor, keeping cat over Lovie. So all of those forces are coming together and it just really doesn't look good for Lovie. But I do think the one avenue of escape here is actually that women's alliance because if word gets out that the women are trying to form something in the cat would obviously be kind of part of that. Then we might get some. Of the guys starting to be like, well, maybe we should just take cat out and nip in the bud. A real Sophie's choice for you, Twitter you one you want LV, or you want women's alliance. You'll only get one what do you want? What do you want Twitter? Fickle? What are you rooting for? So, yeah, I, I would say the chances aren't the greatest the other the other method here. Of course, is now that we know, over has this power, he can try to use this as a bargaining chip by buddying up to a majority of people and saying, look, I will use this power to help you guys. All you need to do is keep me safe. Again, those people don't have a ton of incentive to keep him around, and he already has Russia town or. Of kind of being the kind of being like somebody that would just run to the next person in power and they, they wouldn't necessarily trust him. Yes. You actually use it in their favorite, the other recent development that you talked about was the women's alliance. You just give us the short version of how that came to be. So basically, Jessica has always kind of been girl power. Like that's what she's about. And so now that Chemi is not being back doored. She's been hanging out more with jest and coal, and Bella. And so they were kind of like hanging out last night really enjoying each other's company and just kind of brought up this idea, again, of a women's alliance and they were, they were pretty much all on board. They were cautious about bringing in people like cat or Bella because they weren't sure that they could trust them because they were too close to the guys. And I said this morning, that's really smart of them. They should not approach them today. They approached cat, and Bella. And then, of course, pretty quickly Caton was like I don't like that. We'll play long for. Now, but I'm not in women's alliance. I like the guys too much, and Bella was like, yeah, I agree. So. Basically, how all women's alleges tends to go. There's usually one or two women that are still play. And then go to Canada seven shortly. All right. All right. Before we get to our phone calls. Let me just take a moment, and thank our sponsor and Taryn. I think you're gonna like this. Okay. Haagen-dazs knows that. The best moments on the live feeds or not are made even better with the side of their most extraordinary ice cream. 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We'd yes. Yes now, now, hold on. Please bring. We'd brain. Did you did you go into the big brother camp, and then find the manure and the Bob cat urine? Man that the call Jim, I was jink up. It was so good. That's my question. Have you seen all the Ted to the season? Have you seen Taylor swift and the headdress to Nick? What is going on? You got fringe. He's got to come out tell me what's up Ravi seen? Okay. Good question. Okay, also chat. Let us know volume wise, if we'd brain is too loud or, or not loud. Enough taryn. Have you noticed? Have you have you done any accounting of all the tattoos in the house? I've certainly noticed a few of them. I know I've heard about the Taylor swift thing. It's not my area of expertise, but I do feel like I don't know. Hello. My name is is, is, is what Jack's is. It's, it's basically the name tag, which has the red in the white, and it says, Hello. My name is, and then it's just kind of blink. I believe on Jack's chest. I really hate that, but I also don't love SAM's. Is it like tribal, whatever, TAT's, arm that he called that just like normal bad, right? We'd brain exactly. I think. We already he met hung up. Okay. He had to. Distractive. All right. Let's go to our next call. And then this is going to be somebody that's going to be in the two one four area code. Okay. Let's go ahead and give this a try to one four area code are you there? Komo, rob. Hello. Karen. Yes. Who's this? This is Kyle calling for question about the life, he earlier today. Okay. Sam was talking to Jack and set to his face. That Jack is looking like the Devon of the season. But, like a good Devon Devon considering grateful. God guy. So comparing grateful, and bomb squad or the same size family Justice gradual will Jack the more or less successful than definite putting the money in people's pockets. Okay. That's a good point. I thinking about this during the episode tonight. So we had, our we are six are. What was the we're both alliances named the bomb squad Taryn sixteen like what was was there. The five person. Yeah. There was the bomb squad. Yes. And there were the detonator that was just Cody Derek, though. Right. Or coating Derek hitman hitman. I'm sorry. And so the detonators eight. Five within the eight God. Got it. Got it got it. Okay. And then yeah. And then, Devon, like they had more than eight. Right. Didn't these like see, like waking up in the middle of the night, inviting more people to the alliance? I think the bomb squad was something like six and Evan. I think it was a similar situation. Devon added two more and then was there. Subsequently excluded from when they shortens the crew up again. Yeah. So all right. So I guess if we're gonna compare Jack and Devon, I feel like that Devon was a more fun presence to have in the house. Yeah. I mean, Devon was a lot less mean to the other houseguests for one, but I did actually feel that was a savvy connection there made by Sam because I have seen some similarities in the sense that they are both big, big guys who were bringing extra other people into alliances and are probably going to be the first one gone from this big lines. Okay. What did you call? Make sense to me. I'm just hoping that they can pull it off. And you know accomplish what Devin couldn't is also out. But looking forward to it. I Kyle, thank you so much for the call. Okay. Have a good night. Okay. All right. Let's go ahead and bring our next caller. This is from the two five six area code. Okay to five six are you there? Hey. Gatekeeper mala Bama heroes. Preaches, maybe eighteen Frank would say cool. Twenty twenty years of big brother and I kind of caught the social experiments failed. Thank you for building the Rahat community, to bring together opposing views in a civil way we can't go more than forty hours into life. Eight before two is getting crowd source stores how bad this is because of who the nominees are rewatch the last few episodes of season one and I was struck by how positive the message was about, tolerating people, we disagree with labelling or getting outraged. That's my comment. Here's my question. Rob. What can we do about it as people to make the social experiment? That is big brother wholesome and posited again. And not every see has to deal with these initial. Oh my gosh. Someone's racist because or other labels that are just intolerant and not, not kind, you rob are doing a wonderful work Cantu. But the community around were have. Is the most civil intolerant community. Thank you for that word if you hear nothing else you're doing a great thing, CBS big brother, you. All right. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate that. It's, it's hard because that I think that, you know, we have, you know, bad behavior at times on the live feeds and people hear about it. Sometimes secondhand becomes like telephone game. And then ultimately gets into the media, which only amplifies the problem and then you get articles like, hey, is big brother, a racist show, and that's you know, and the headline is all people and appearing. And so nobody nobody is condoning anything that's going on in the house. But that Taryn in its inception, though, this was supposed to be we're going to observe these people and. See what happens more than, you know, we're going to have these people, so that these are the people that we are going to these are our leaders are model citizens. Yeah. I mean, that's something that I've talked to before where, you know, especially going back when we did the block you memories. We'd watch these older seasons. And even just the way that they dressed, the houseguests up was different. They didn't have these big goofy costumes or anything that they treated the contestants with a lot more respects, I would probably say they still definitely had this sort of sexual sort of, like exploitation has the but apart from that they did sort of have more respect for the players in the house guests, and I do miss that aspect of it. And I do think that leads to better conversation around the house guests themselves, certainly, you know, I did a whole podcast about the toxic nature of, of how people can be treated when they come out of the show and all of that sort of thing. But of course, you know, sometimes you look back with wrote, rosey colored glasses. And don't remember the fact that. When we did the block mentors for season two and I was looking at the articles from the time I was like, oh, people were pretty mad honesty's into. Yeah. But hopefully and this isn't always the case. But, like when we talk about something like a big brother to situation, you had tent in bunk, who certainly got off on the wrong foot and Kent was very concerned that there was going to be a gay person in the house, and then they ended up becoming best friends in the house. So it is hopefully, a journey, and hopefully it ends up being where there is any intolerance where there is. Any sort of bad behavior? It does end up being a learning experience, more than, you know, the opportunity to just flog a person. Well. As big brother fans that everyone loves a good flock. The flog flogging flogging all summer long with big brother. All right. JT. Thank you so much. Okay. Thank you. Go to Chretien, and now it should say, just Hern, but also others, I disagree with on a lot of us about who the Caspers, which ones they prefer that, that's what's great about your communities. You have diverse viewing opinion that you tolerate and you're kind, and you're civil again. Let me guess. Thank you. Don't always, we don't always hit the Mark. But that is let's, let's not go too far by complementing Brent. Yeah, look, I my ideal for this community is that where we can have fun discourse about these shows that we all love and everybody has really strong feelings about things. But, you know, that is the ideal and what I what I try to strive for an entire you do a fantastic job of bringing that into everything that you do. So when I give you give you that complement and again, great, great work. Okay. Let's go to the seven one nine area, code seven one ninety there. Hi, kelly. How are you? I'm good. How you doing? Very good. My question is because if power obvi- it's basically a waste now. Is there a way that he can spend it to get more people inside because it only in reality, it can only say one person? So how would be the best to go about with this power getting enough votes on his side? Okay. Taryn is there is there anything that he can do with the power where Tony block owes in survivor, John was able to play fast and loose with the rules of the dance is and some of the things that he found in the game and say that they have powers that they didn't have, but big brother is tougher to do that with because you're not allowed to lie about production, but could could Lovie sort of be vague about I have a power. I have something but not reveal what it is because the actual. Power of what he has doesn't necessarily help him. But if as a hail Mary, not a frail Mary could could. Hey, I was in that competition guys, you know. I never as worried about who has the power. Well, it's me, and I can, you know, use it for blah, blah, blah, like makeup at different power. Yeah. I think it's tricky to be vague about it. When you're already in a position where you're fighting for your life. I think that, that they'll essentially just be like, we'll tell us what it is. We're just gonna vote you out and find out, I think that certainly Tyler was able to manage it partly be-, partly because he was not the one on the block at the time he was able to, and it was very last minute. And it was very hectic. And chaotic that he was like, oh, if you vote Sam out something terrible will happen and somehow that works. I just have a really hard time, seeing Lovie, pull something like that off, especially in the position that he's in, even if he had the capability that Tyler did being in his position, I feel like it's just impossible. I think the only way to go about. It is to go to people that he has the. Best relationship with maybe this fake alliance that he has, and call a meeting and say to them. Hey, guys and just be honest to be. Hey guys, look, I didn't wanna I didn't wanna have to say anything. Obviously, I would've used this for the benefit of the group. But I need to tell you now I just wanna come out with it that I do have a power. It's unfortunately useless to me right now. But it's something that I can use to really help out the group if they do ask for more details. I think you should just tell them like. Yeah, I can just cancel. It is nominations, basically. And I mean, that's really useful to have if you trust that Lovie will use it for you. And that's what he needs to sell. And if he's able to sell that I do think he can sway some people, but it's the selling of it that matters. And that's why like being open and honest about is probably his best chance because it's going to help him make his case. Yeah. Sort of like a big brother fifteen when they Susta out that Eliza was going to get the MVP every week. I forget what the word they used to scribe weapon weaponize, the twist I wonder if that's a way out by. I don't know. It's, it's not looking so hot that I think is best chances, that cat has a meltdown galley. Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you so much for calling it. Okay. You have a great night. All right. All right. How're you doing Taryn you like this? Yes. Fun talking to people great. Let's do a nine three one area code. Okay. Let's go ahead and bring you on your on our HA P Sunday night, nine three one. If there's any current update 'em how you'd think David is gonna come back. And oh if there's gonna be a buyback. You think there might be multiple Bob ecstasy's? What's your name, sir? Eric, Eric Asli. Okay. Eric in Tennessee, tearing do we have any news any any rumors? No rumors. I mean, it's, it's really they've been pretty secretive about the all they've said is it's never been done before. And I fully imagine on again to set it up. It's hard to. It's there. They're often, so. Repetitive. Twists hard to imagine something new. Most. Right. Mostly just imagining something old people are just kind of zooming like, okay, it's like a two person buyback or he just comes back in. He doesn't puzzle to get back in, you know, I, I don't know. It's hard to imagine something side of that because I it's hard too much. Okay. Eric. Do you have an idea? Do you have any thoughts? Not real cope with if it's a puzzle it's make more than two minutes on. Well, hey, just get some extra time. Yeah. Good question. Thank you so much. Okay. Thank you. I Tarrant do you have any thoughts on how Eric returning to the house could shake things up? Even David David, David Eric, Eric Kirkeby Kohler is gonna come back into the house. It's going to shake up the house, probably not. Unfortunately, he didn't really have an opportunity to make many connections in the house, and he probably obviously, he's a guy, he's not gonna fit into a potential women's thing, which is forming most of the counter resistance alliance to the apes. So I'm not really sure he's probably gonna come in and be a bit of an outcast. And he's going to have to survive a little while for things to shake up a bit and make connections and work his way back in. I don't think he's going to come in with a huge impact. But we don't really know even who he is how he operates in the house. I think the best case scenario for Lovie might be some sort of the twist is, then either Lovie or David gets the comeback in and Lovie gets to return to the house. And my question would be is overseas. Power, does he get to keep it even if he voted out. Well, if this was survivor answer would be. No, no. But this. Has been brother and I think the answer would be. Yeah. I think you've been kissed you got to be honest. So especially and look far be it from any of us to infer that production might you know, be fifty one forty nine in favor of a player. If it came down to it obese been great TV David. With all due respect today, seems like a nice enough guy, but OB was the star of the show tonight. And there was no wording in the power about, like it's good for six weeks or until you're voted out. It was it's good for six weeks. Yeah. So I mean it could be like all right. All right. So America, you get to vote. Do you want Lovie or David to come back into the house? Something like that. Before I don't know what whatever the version of where we have seen it before that could could we end up seeing Lovie end up being instead of one week in done ends up returning to the house. I will say it is. It's a bit of a conundrum for me. Because normally I'd say David all the way it was, it was a night, one Vic Shen that's, that's not fair in my book, he deserves another shot in my opinion. But also, I felt so bad for Lovie throughout the entire wing the way he's been outcast way. He's been bullied. I feel like he hasn't gotten much of a fair shake. So I actually I'm kind of torn on who I want to come back. It's very frustrating. All right, we'll say, but I don't want anyone to come back. I know. All right. Let's try the nine AOL take two or three more calls. Okay. Nine. Can you hear me who's this? This is great grace. How are you? I'm great. How are you guys? Great grace, what's going on. Yes. So my question is that literally every house gets confides in someone who they don't know that they actually cannot trust like this season Comey with bellow or even looking on now. I can't me with Catherine and I know it's tricky prevent, but what would your guys best advice be to at least lower the chances of confiding in the wrong person since it happens literally every season. How do you know if the person that you're confiding in is really one of your ops? Well, I think the main thing you have to focus on especially early in the game is that when you're confiding in somebody don't be negative toward other people when you're doing, so I think the main thing is anytime you talk bad about somebody else you're taking the risk in the game. And when it's early early days, and you don't really know people yet, you might be trash talking to somebody that it will eventually be your best friend, first of all, and second of all, as we've seen. You might be trash talking to somebody that is going. To betray your trust and expose it and make you a target because hey anybody, but me your, you know, somebody's, you know, aunts extra. Exactly, exactly. So I think just being more conservative, when you confide and people, you know, when you're bonding with people don't do it through mutual dislike for somebody else. Don't do it through insulting other people or targeting other people do it through, you know, talking about yourself and ask them questions about the other person, just like bonding genuinely with that person. And then just slowly start into strategy talk. And again, make sure you have something solid with them before you really start to talk major strategy. Yeah. I think we're Lovie did do a bad job with this was that he heard about an eight and at no point. Did he he, he pulled it a lot of different people and just mathematically, I need war dog to tell me what was the percent chance that he wasn't going to be talking about the eight to the five different people? He was talking about the eight with well. I mean think about it, there, fifteen people in the house. He approached five people are sorry. No, there were four other people that he approached. So there were ten people that were not approached eight of them had to be in that a personal lines or he would he he'd gotten something wrong. Yeah. So didn't do a great job with that. Okay. Let's see if we do the nine nine one three that we get this call yet nine when three there. Can you hear me who's this? Sebok good. Good. How are you? All right before that my question again. Agreed with you early color of seven money definitely going to be putting the pockets this year. But I got a hypothetical throw chip. Sure. He opened up the backyard tomorrow morning in find Terry. Every winging onto him and talking to self about how dynamic with the immediately up through, like they with Lovie, or would e cruise to threes, like and be fourteen. Well, I would say before you answer this consider that all done is win win, no matter what. Okay. Thank you so much for the for the call. Rob was that he and Terry calling? I hope so. But I don't I don't think it was. I think he does those kinds of is. Is what he's been up to what he's been up to. Let's have interior back on. But I would hardly Ian, Terry crews to a victory either. Yeah. I mean, I think I think this I think he would be putting us in. And I think he would be I do think that Lovie is in a very Ian position where he would be ostracized, but people were starting to come around on Lovie, and I feel like if not for this kind of freaks sequence of events where he ends up getting back doored. I feel like he would have survived this week. There weren't many people targeting targeting him going into the next week. He certainly would have had the power, I do feel like Lovie could have been in this for the long haul and would have had an opportunity to turn people around on him. We certainly know he's capable of that given his success in real life. So I feel like Ian Terry or interior himself. Certainly could have been well, barring especially if you had a minute, let's go lightning round here. Let's go to the two three one. One area code are you there? Yes, I am. Yes, who's this? I'm Josh, Josh what's going on? I actually have two questions. I is that okay? Real quick. Okay. So my question is, for Terron tearing if someone were to, like, like not do the like the life feats through Zeba, but they were like watch big brother after dark on every night, would that, like be enough to do like a morning update every day or like able to cover anything at the most? I mean certainly after dark can be informative and very fun. But, but, you know, the morning up the whole the whole day. Yeah. You got everything. So the whole day, okay, what's question. Number two. Oh, I know rob you, you said that this on this season that you. Might be making a cameo appearance on parents more morning update one. No. If you're going to be doing that turnover. Texting about this earlier today, I was I was thinking about doing it this week on Tuesday of butts of, and I have news af. So I didn't. That's the same time that I record news af with Danny Tyson. So I did not opt for that. So I threw out next Wednesday the tenth for Taryn if he has one open. Okay. Okay. So next next Wednesday and then I'll watch. I'll watch the lie feeds all day. Next Tuesday to be able to report, not just big brother after dark and watch the whole watch the whole day. Okay. Okay. Do you watch in regular bake? I am a big live feed guy in July. I, I love the kickoff to the live feeds. So I'm u-. I'm usually a parental good on it the first three or four weeks. And then. That's, that's what separates you know, the, the real people that are out there, the real life eaters, from the lifebeat Casuals, like me, because once the house is kind of set. Then, that's when I tend to drop off round that point. Okay. Okay. All right. Thanks. Thanks for the call. Okay. Josh? Okay. Thank you, God. Okay. All right. Let's, let's do one more one more, and then we'll start to wrap things up. Okay. Let's go to the nine one eight nine one eight are you there? And six six. He's yes. Go ahead. I just want to ask a question for the. L C. Witch enough for me which pick. Sorry, Robert Clift. Which of your guys draft picks. Do you guys seriously regret picking in? Okay. Tired, if you have if you have one of your draft picks back who would it be? I look I turned the winning off draft is not look very good. I've got Lovie Chemi SIS and Christie. And I've got to say I don't regret the Lovie pick. Yeah. I support all the way Cami was saved. I'm hopeful for future cysts is my biggest disappointment so far. At least Christie's giving the entertainment SIS. I mean she's basically what I expected her to be. But, but I was hoping for a little bit more Haley, and even Haley was like, not quite, what I wanted. I feel like of those four like she has the best chance to win. They certainly possible. But look, I'm about I'm about who I want to be on my team. And right now, this is just not giving it to me. She's just she's a yes Bowman. And she's, she's one of the most passive people in the house so far. Okay. All right. But that's what you want to be right now. So I don't think you should be. Upset with that one. Look, I, I just want more. I want more Christy. She she disappointed on a game level. Exactly what I thought she was going to be true. Peg pretty good. I know the questions not for me. But my, my draft went Tommy Sam Jackson and Jessica, I think I would throw back Jackson. I thought the Jackson was going to be low key. I thought he had a chance to come into the house and just be a little bit more like not as intense as he's gone onto. But that being said, Taryn in like the first like two days of the show, like in the Winston and Brett great. I've got the Winston and Jack is the Brett. By comparison. I do feel like that, you know. Jat Mickey is the Brett. Nia a little bit. The one was bread and one was Winston, you know, it is it is interesting, rob, because this is two years in a row where last year my top two who are Winston and Tyler, and you picks Tyler and I and I got Winston this year my top two Lovie, and Tommy. And, and you pick Tommy, and I got Lovie feel like Tommy is playing the best in the house right now. I really I was really. I felt like all season long from wire-to-wire lassie's. And I really felt like I had like well Tyler is going to win. I won the draft. Win the draft this season. And it was really like such such get get no credit for. It was a big, big timer guy all year for my draft team. Okay. All right. Thanks so much for the call. Okay. Okay. Thank you. The pleasure watching in like group. Oh, thank you so much. Okay. All right. We got to everybody that called in. Waited on hold for the whole show. Okay. So we didn't we got to there's a lot of people that are still in hold that when we put the number of the second time, but we got to everybody who waited around the whole show to talk to us. So I'm happy with that, okay. Yes. Very nice. All right. Tommy was purple Tommy tonight. I don't think we we saw him talk about being in an alliance with Jack. I think that was always time. We saw more than an alliance. Yes. Yes, that everything was speaking to him about Jack. Okay. So let's say what's what's coming up? Lots of great stuff going on on rob has a podcast and the Rahat ups network. Are you the one season eight week one Adam Bongiovanni, and Amman? Add win are together for the are you the one RA hap-? I was listening to the other night. It is a very interesting season of are you the one? And. A lot of media coverage this season of the one so you should check that out survivor South Africa, the island of secrets episode seven recap Mike in Shannon are back with the latest recap of survivor South Africa for everybody following the international survivor coverage. And then we've got our Monday morning, got saint-pierre did. So there's a Cami and Jack and then Taryn is one of the boxes there spoilers for future. Big brother, twenty one episodes is that the same Photoshop they did with David to make people think that he was? That the same they did. Okay so good. Good job. There's Scott saint-pierre the LLC roundtable is going to be back. So it's going to be Taryn and Brent and Melissa together for the first time for the LLC roundtable and season. Twenty one stock watch their poll up yet for the stock watch town, it'll be up tomorrow morning. Okay. So beyond look out for that follow Tarrant on Twitter for that. And then Angie rockstar is gonna join us to talk about. Everything going on. Big brother. Twenty one cliff son's birthday. Everything else that's going to be going on with Angie rockstar on Tuesday night, believe that's going to be a nine fifteen pm start eastern time for us on Tuesday. And then the same on a Wednesday night for our first live addiction of the summer tear on Wednesday. Very exciting. Of course, all of this is made possible by the patrons of rob has a podcast. I had our monthly patron cast call today with the. The patrons, I'll be back with a patron five for five with Nicole's and not the call the co from Long Island, but not the one that's big brother. We'll get into that tomorrow night. So lots of stuff going on the beginning of the month, the great time to jump in for the patrons of rob as a podcast head on over to rob has a website dot com slash patron. For more information. All right. Tara, what does she what does show tonight? We really cover. We covered so much covered. Lots of things with urine. Yes flow easy. Smell. The coverage being Bowie Caitlyn will be with us for the Thursday of actions on this season when she's in town. So Caitlin is not currently in town. So the first diction that we're gonna have Caitlin with us is going to be on Thursday, July eleventh. So the second live show, Vic Shen Caitlyn will be here in the studio, and so beyond the lookout for that. So a ton of stuff going on here at the start of the season, we'll also got a new talking with t-bird coming up where we are going to be caught up with Gretchen Corey Taryn. Oh my. Yeah. So I love all these gets t-bird is working hard. And she is like I have to tell her to, like T bird, like she wants to go. And like she's like this person answering my messages. So I heard I heard where they work and I'm gonna go symphony. Stock. Anybody stock anybody don't get cheaper cheaper until like big brother standing also should be calling don't stock. Anybody offices yet? Yeah. So t birds working hard on all of that. And also that are amazing race coverage also from last week myself. And just Mike bloom recap the amazing race finale. We got to talk to all four of the final four teams. Also, those are all up on rob whips at com. Rodney Benita podcast. Also, we watch national treasure this week. So it's a ton of stuff going on. Tarran, of course, has a lot of big brother going on a lot, a lot of streaming on the twitch dot TV slash Taryn Armstrong, anything else turn. Well, of course, if you are a viewer of American ninja warrior, oh, the American jewelry, or podcast going on, even if you're not of you're of the show, maybe check it out. Yes. Okay. All right. Rob. Did you Taryn them? Melissa told that I told them I was sitting in a chair. I asked. I asked you a question that does that mean anything to you reading the shot? No. I like. In very specific question. All right. So looking forward to the lifebeat updates Mark. Thank you guys, so much fraud to all the callers Scott saint-pierre for putting this all together. Take care. Everybody have a good one. Bye.

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Celebrity Big Brother 2 Cast Reactions with Taran Armstrong

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Celebrity Big Brother 2 Cast Reactions with Taran Armstrong

"Hey, what's going on? Rob sister. Dino back here to kick off our celebrity big brother season, two coverage tonight. I've got some quick reactions to the celebrity big brother to chats here with the host of the Iraq hap- up morning update. Here is the great tariff Armstrong Taryn, how are you? I'm so good. Rob. It's it's celebrity big brother time. I'm pumps Taryn is is there an official title for the daily life feet update. I think it's the I don't know the daily life you'd up the I don't know we call it. We just call it. The it's the life you'd updates. The lifebeat updates yearning updates whatever you wanna call every morning with Taryn Armstrong. We are ready to kick off celebrity big brother season Taryn. How have you been during this big brother yacht us? I've been good. I've been reading a lot of books. Hopefully, I that won't stop like it usually does during big brother, but I've been enjoying it. Watching a lot of TV shows. I I've I recently finally joined Instagram. I only up. Wow. Okay. All right. Well, we will circle back to that. At the end of the show to get your watch list and your book club suggestions. But Taryn we have twelve new celebrities to talk about here as as of Sunday afternoon here on January thirteenth of these celebrity. Big brother casts has been drop. In our laps. And we're going to talk about it here tonight later on this week. We will have our big l f c draft where we will get together with the two of us and Brennan Melissa to talk about everything going on here with this celebrity big brother cast and celebrity big brother will kick off on CBS one week from Monday night on January twenty first twenty nineteen. Yes. And of course, then. As soon as the live feeds kick in presumably either that night or the next day Tarran, we've back with consecutive days of celebrity big brother live feed coverage every morning on rob has a website dot com. And then how long is this going to run is this a longer season than last season Taryn, I think it's about the same. If I'm not mistaken around three or so weeks about three or so weeks, and we'll get into all of this the finale slated to be on Wednesday, February thirteenth of twenty nine thousand nine. All right. So Taryn, and I have a twelve faces in front of us and some of them. We are very familiar with others. We have some homework to do here in the next week. Or so I learned my lesson from Mike white that if you are not familiar with somebody's work. It is your duty to become more familiar with it. And that is what I will do. So I take my job very seriously. But just in case you've been away from the internet here. Let me give you the names of our celebrity big brother contestants, and they are in the order that Dalton Ross has presented them on E W dot com Olympic medalist Orion. A lucky is here. We have of the real housewives of Atlanta fame. Candy Burress is here we have of the OJ Simpson trial. Kato kaylin is here. Lolo Jones is also going to be here. Actor Joey Lawrence will be competing on celebrity big brother to WWE diva Natalie. Eva Marie will be here. Professional football player. Ricky Williams will be in the house, mama. Lindsay. Lohan Dina lo Han will be in the celebrity big brother house v. Former White House communications director, Anthony Scaramucci will be in the house. We have Tamar a Barack Ston ho co host of the real and sister of Toni Braxton is going to be in the house. We have actor Jonathan Bennett and former co star of Lindsay Lohan and comedian Tom green is also going to be in the big brother cast Taryn those who your twelve names. Yes. I've got to say, I I'm not a celebrity person in general. But I feel like I did recognize maybe a little bit more from this cast than I did the previous one. And I like what I see. Okay. All right. So Taryn, I'm very curious to know here of these twelve people who is the person that you are most familiar with the person. I most familiar with was actually Tom green. Okay. Yes. He he had a show on MTV. I was actually not a huge fan of the show myself. I didn't watch too much of it. But my friends were obsessed with it. And they would quote him all the time, and I hated them. But I, but I knew the name Tom green because of them, and I was also told that one of my favorite bands law disputes, the singer sounds a lot like Tom green. And they were making fun of my favorite band lettuce us by saying that so I have a lot of mixed feelings towards Tom green. Okay. So Tom green got. Really huge in the was I'm not sure if it was the late nineties or the early two thousands when he had the Tom green show on MTV used to do a lot of crazy stuff used to play a lot of jokes on his parents. He had music videos where he put his butt on stuff. But he called it a bum. I think he also had like an internet talk show, the height of Tom Green's fame. I believe came with the infamous movie FREDDY, got fingered Taryn have you ever heard of of FREDDY got fingered, I have in fact. I I haven't seen it. I was a long time ago. I don't wanna get another emoji movie on my hand. But apparently FREDDY got fingered was famous at the time for being the worst movie ever made to that point in the history of moviemaking well with a title like that you've got to have high expectations. So I don't know. I don't know if it actually was, but that was like the media at the time was really up in arms about FREDDY got fingered since then he had a battle with two stickler cancer. He married drew Barrymore. He also had a belief brief stint on the celebrity apprentice, I believe he might have been the first one out in one of these celebrity apprentice seasons, I believe he was the third one out. He actually he told the story. I watched a YouTube video told the story of it was actually pretty funny. Yeah. Taryn was this a big get for celebrity big, brother. I mean, I think that. It's the kind of get that they are probably looking for. He was probably a name that you'd know if you were around twenty years ago. So that's really what they what they're aiming for. I think so that's a good thing. I think that he's an entertaining guy. I think that he'll be fun on the show hearing him talk about his celebrity big brother experience. I think that he'll not only be an entertaining. Character. Just threw the jokes. He's telling the apprentice experience. Yes. Sorry. The celebrity apprentice experienced I think that he'll also be entertaining in the sense that he seems to clash with people. He apparently had an alliance formed against him on the show. So and he seemed still pretty bitter about his whole experience. I think it's gonna be fun watching him play the game. I think that he is probably the best you could hope for on the live feeds in terms of entertainment, if not necessarily being somebody who's going to be getting into a ton of fights. I feel like that will be exciting and won't be a bump on a log on a life. Yeah. Hopefully, you never know some of these people he's got a very, entertaining persona. But the real guy who knows who knows do you think he will play hard. I think I think he will. I mean, I think that I think that he will get caught up in the competitiveness of it. As long as he has a leg to stand on. I think he's going to he's going to really fight and go for it again based on his. Of his celebrity apprentice experience. So I'm hoping this is going to be a slam slam dunk air. Okay. All right Taryn who is the second person that you are most excited about well. The person that I'm most excited about I did not know who this was beforehand. So you're saying most excited person that you didn't know who they were before they were cast on celebrity big, brother. Yes. Wow. I'm honestly, I'm most excited about him. Because he's a fan of the show. Jonathan Bennett is he he's he's a big fan of the show that excites me, I think he's going to go on there. And he's gonna play hard just based on what I've seen. He's hung out with with previous big brother players before he was on the move. He was in the movie mean girls, which I've been chastised for not having seen. And now that was is gonna happen. A lot more. We might have them to do a podcast about it between Jonathan and Dino low ham. Yeah, that's true. Also, hosted cake wars and Halloween wars. I don't know what Halloween wars is. I have a vague idea. Looking. Where's is probably? But but really it's just the fact that he seems like a very personable guy. He's definitely been entrenched with the show and the players, and and I think that that all is shaping up to be very good signs here. Jonathan. I mean, let me just say though, that the last thing that happened that anybody cared about that this person did was in two thousand and four. But enough about me, let's talk about Jonathan benefits. I've got to say for somebody who is most famous for something. He didn't do those and for he looks looks pretty good. Yeah. So yeah, mean girls tremendously popular people a love the movies so excited to see him, and he has been a big brother fan, and so he hobnobs with a lot of these big brother contestants here on the west coast. I know people are going to be excited about Jonathan Bennett. The game player Tarrant is it possible that this thing goes sideways, Allah, Shannon. Elizabeth it's very possible. I mean, Shannon was the person. I think a lot of people were most excited for last season. And I think the same is happening with Jonathan. I think on the outside. They probably look pretty similar. They were both big fans of the show. They both had a lot of context in the alumni for the show, and they were both. They're both. Attractive charismatic. So definitely could go bad here. But hopefully, hopefully, he's he's seen Shannon's sort of spiral into whatever spiraled into. And he doesn't hopefully he's not trying to emulate the best big brother player of all time. Forgot all about that. Yeah. So you would think that as somebody who is very familiar with the show that you feel that that would be something that he would be wary about and maybe would go to try to avoid that. So you're just excited about him. Because you think he's going to play. Well, or do you feel like that because he knows the show? So well, I excited because I think he's gonna play. Well, he's a fan of the show. That's exciting. He's going to go on there. He's gonna play hard. He also just seems very likable with a cast of celebrities. It's probably going to be hard to find people that you can feel that you can relate to in many ways. So I feel like he might be sort of the somebody that's easy for everyone to get behind. I think maybe similar to to REI. Ariadna last year where she was kind of like just the one of the most normal people on the cats, which I'm usually you look I like I like the I like all types. But I like there to be at least one just kind of regular person gaffe. I think the plight of the superfan is so hard on big brother where I think that you go in there, and you try so hard to make everybody happy, and it ends up making nobody happy, and it'll be a tight rope for him to walk. We'll see if it alternately fetch for him or not. Yeah. And I think the expectations on him are even higher where last season there were at least three people with Ross and Marissa who are also big fans of the show that we're going in with like it was they were the consensus top three. They were all fans of the show. They all seem like they could do pretty well. And then I feel like the X. Speculations were kind of spread spread out just a little bit. And even that sort of was too much for for Shannon to bear. And with this cast. It's really it's really just from what I've seen all of the hopes and dreams are on Jonathan at the moment. All right. We started down this world Taryn the third person the third most excited person for you. For the person. You're the third most excited about the third most excited about I would probably say. I guess Kei Kato kaylin Kato kaylin. Okay. All right now. It's funny because I mentioned Kato kaylin on podcast recently. And that there were a lot of millennials that were like, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what this person is. Why is he saying this name, and I said it because the merge tribe? Name was like Kahlo Kahlo, and it's like, hey like so excited about the merge tribe. Name. I tweeted a picture of Kato kaylin be like who who is this person? So Taryn I'm surprised as a young young guy. So what is do you? Are you a big OJ trial guy? I'm not gonna lie. I basically learned about it from American crime story, and I still picture Kato kaylin as Billy Magnusson. So it's going to be weird watching the real person. But. But still I feel like it'll be interesting. Yes. Long before paulie, California, a dubbed, Eric Stein. America's favorite house guest. Kato Kaelin was famously known as America's favorite house guest as he was the guy who is living in OJ. Simpson's guest house in nineteen ninety four and was a crucial witness in the OJ trial and terms of that I believe he testified he heard the OJ came home. And I think that he was sort of like just a guy who was kind of like a freeloading in OJ's guesthouse again, sorry, please. Don't ask me for not having all of the details at my fingertips, but he was sort of like he was a big deal. Terms of everybody knew who he was in the mid nineties as just being famous for being OJ. Simpson's house guest. Yeah. And I. Honestly, I don't even know what he's done since. Then I think he's. I think he's been on. He was on like a reality show up reality shows. Yeah. I mean, he's the ultimate guy who's famous for doing nothing. But I believe that he is also a big big brother fan. And I believe there's also a shot of him that he was in the audience of these celebrity big brother one finale, and at the time delay is that Kato kaylin. Yeah. I mean, look what I'm saying. Give me anybody. That's a fan of the show. And I'm going to have a slight inkling toward well, I hope that they I have an expectation that they're going to do a little bit better. Probably and he was kind of like a surfer, bro. And I think that his his thing is that I think he's like a really easy guy to get along with his whole life is based on that, you know, he was getting stuck refrige- because he was like a fun guy to hang out OJ liked to keep him around. So OJ kept them in the. Pool house. So I think that he is the kind of guy who is going to fit in well in the big brother house, I could easily see him being the Mark McGrath of the season where he just kinda hangs out everyone thinks he's cool, and they keep him around until the end, you know, Mark McGrath came pretty close to winning season one of celebrity big, brother. So I'd watch out for Kato kaylin. Yeah. I would watch out for Kate. Okay. Watch for Kato because he is somebody who I think people are gonna think like, okay, to- Kaelin. He's just happen. I it does seem like he's a fan of the show. Then you go. Especially if somebody I mean, we just saw it happen with Tyler if somebody can come in being fan of the show, but appearing to be somebody who's just like, hey, I'm just here to have fun. That's a pretty dangerous combat. It also seems like that CBS has him like pretty prominently featured like they feel like either they'd be like he's like a really great get Kato kaylin, or they feel like that the joke is so hilarious. But in I've seen like they're ending on Kato kaylin. He's like, hey, I'm used to living with celebrities. Scott that winters at it. Is it possible? OJ could come out for a one of the tapings. We have OJ in the audience if keta win. Created by open arms. We'll have OJ on the podcast sometime in January. You could talk about Kato kaylin and the career Ricky Williams. Okay. You played big brother with Kato. Something like that. Yeah. I believe from the OJ Simpson trial that some of Kato kaylin testimony seemed to contradict OJ's version of the events. Well, I mean, that's what happens sometimes in big brother one person's claimed Clinton to vote one way another person claims to vote another way in the stories don't match up that doesn't matter because you need to you need to make an alliance with them. Again, if the gloves don't fit, you must've it. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah. Kato kaylin soon as soon we'll be a household name. Once again, according to Wikipedia, it seemed as though because of the media attention he got during the trial at a certain point that seventy four percent of Americans could identify Kato kaylin and only twenty five percent of Americans could identify Vice President, Al gore. Yeah. That's that's fair. Yeah. He's famous for being also like just like a guest star cameo in a million things. I'm on the website cameo. So Kato kaylin been everywhere. Excited to see Kato kaylin. Okay. Wasn't he on marriage? Boot camp was the marriage boot camp. I think that's what I read on on Dalton Rossa's thing. It would not surprise me. I did not know that he was married. Yes. Know, I'm sure he's been on like one hundred celebrity reality shows. Hopefully, yes. Celebrity marriage boot camp on which Kato dialed the wrong number for his one phone, call home. So just ended up talking to some random stranger for a minute before hanging up. Yeah. All right. So Kato kaylin your pumped up four. Okay, Taryn who is the person. That's got you the fourth most excited. I this is another person I didn't know of beforehand, but I've I've seen a lot of hype because she was on the challenge. Low low Joan yes Lolo Jones. Okay, taryn. What's got you? So pumped up for Lolo Jones. I'm going to say I'm excited to see some some like real athletes play a big brother because the competition's usually have nothing to do with that lettuces them. And I really I really enjoy watching Olympic medalists fail at things like watch regular people succeed at you're looking crystal Cox factor. Yeah. It's one of my favorite parts of of American injury warrior is watching the Olympic athletes not do as well. Yeah. But but I love she seems she seems like she's going to be intense entertaining. She was apparently very. Like, I guess villain of the challenges us, very dramatic. So I feel like there's a lot of potential here. I think the fact that she is very athletic, and we'll want to be the probably Shannon, Elizabeth of the season like trying to dominate as many competitions as possible, but probably failing to do. So I think it's all going to be great stuff. This is really interesting about Lolo Jones. She's a hurdler Enda bobsledder. I feel like that. That is very unprecedented that she has a summer Olympic sport. And a Winter Olympic sport. Yeah. That's a woman after my own heart trying to do everything. I guess so. Wow. So that's the very impressive. Who did she feud with on the challenge? Do we know? I wish I knew well, we have a vast team of experts across all of rob. As a podcast, we may have to bring in Allie Lascher or somebody from our challenge team or Matla gory. Or Brian Cohen to give us some more insight there into lo-lose feuds on the challenges. You didn't feud with any big brother people or she wasn't on one with big brother people? I think it was right before they started. Introducing big brother people who was Josie wasn't on that one. You might have been champs versus pros. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not. Sure. Okay. All right. We will see if we can get a straight answer on that before we get to the draft. Don't add us. Yes. This is just this is just initial reactions. We'll have some more details for you. As soon don't wanna get don't wanna get added over celebrity big brother's you because you know, what I wanted to say this at the top of the show, but there's going to be people that you the listener are very excited about and there's going to be people that Taryn I are learning more about now. So that and then we'll all be excited about them at the end of the season. But please don't be upset with us. If we are not excited about the same people your excited about yet. We're learning. Yeah. It's it's it's you know, it's going to be a process and in really this is all preseason stuff. All that really matters is what happens in the house. And if they do fun stuff in the house. Well, we're going to be on board. Yeah. It does not appear that Josie was on this version of the challenge that she was on shame. Shame. Okay. All right. So Lolo Jones coming into the house. Okay. Taryn who is the person you use the fifth most excited to see. Okay. Really? This is in tireless because of a video that I just watched that I really enjoyed because I don't think he's going to be very good on the show based on the video that I saw but Ryan locked who is somebody that I knew of beforehand, I've I have watched him compete with in the Olympics again and Olympic athlete here. But I just watched this video Ryan locked the interview makes anchor cry and it's one of my favorite things. Why did his interview? Make the interviewer cry. I I almost don't want to spoil it. But basically, they do an interview with him. And he's just so dull in the new and he's giving a really bad interview. And as soon as it ends can just start cracking up and going how is he because they're interviewing about a reality show that he's going to be on. And they're like, how are they going to get thirteen episodes? Yeah. Based on how terribly boring is I don't know handsome guy that he is famous for being an Olympic swimmer that he is the second lowest sacred swimmer behind Michael Phelps, I feel like that. There was a lot of stuff about was going to be him or Phelps in. In one of these Olympics. Did they also send him home from one of these Olympics for some sort of bad behavior? There was some sort of. Gate seeing on. Yes. Some sort of controversy. I'm not sure if you have more info on it than than I do. I know that he supposedly tried to trademark his catchphrase. Yeah. I don't know if that's how it's pronounced or if he goes for. Yeah. With the j. Yeah. Well, I don't think that's what locked the gate was about that. No. He was out partying the real Olympics. And then was robbed at gunpoint out. Out already. Wow. Yeah. As Speedo dropped him after that. Yeah. And but then turns out that they were that he actually was stopped by security guards. And he was. Urinating outside of a bathroom. And they lied about the stories so very unbecoming of an Olympic athlete. Yeah. It's you know, this is this is a guy. That's who knows what we're going to get from him. He's he's going to be very boring or he's going to be really messy. It's probably not going to be very messy. Just because somebody leads messy life doesn't mean they're going to be messy in the big brother house. Locked the it's cool. This is the big brother house where we've seen people actually peeing in the pool. So you should be right at home here. Yes. I'm hoping for I feel like his upside is like, you know, maybe he's in there. Just trying to understand what's happening around him. And entertaining us all the way through. All. Right. Lock the alright Tarrant who is the person that you were the sixth most excited to see in the big brother house. I am interested in seeing candy. Burruss candy Burress of the real housewives of Atlanta. Yes, we had brandy last season Fandy. Yes. From the real housewives, and she was great. So I'm expecting great things from candy as well. She's also from what I've been reading somebody who is pretty rich like she doesn't need to be here. But she she's here. So that's I think probably a good sign. Hopefully, not in the sense that she's willing to quit because who knows whatever reason. But but she's she wrote some some pretty big songs she's been a music artist. And and also on the real housewives and other such shows. And I think she'll be she'll be fun by Pete time to start the big brother wand off for candy birth. Yeah. I was watching some clips of candy Burruss fighting with Meany leaks on YouTube. Yes. That's how are you excited? Just because brandy was fun to have in the house, and you feel like that any real housewife will bring drama, basically, I feel like I feel like she I don't know much of her aside from the fact that she was on the real housewives, and she's very successful. And so I think those two things she clearly has a drive she has talent and she's willing. She's on a show about drama. So I feel like those are all really good. It's a good combination of things. And I think that it worked pretty well. With with brandy. I'm hoping it works even better with candy. Okay. All right. So I'm looking other ventures bursts has made cameo appearances on series such as single ladies thicker than water, the tankards, chef robe lay and company, and let's stay together. Burress also owns a sex. Toy company called bedroom. Candy, my okay. All right. Phil. Randy about remember, brandy and the gored. There you go. Look there a match made in heaven. All right Tarran, who is the person that you the seventh most excited to see on celebrity big brother Tamar, Braxton Tamar Braxton. Okay. Why Tamar Braxton? I I I I read an article about her just like going missing from like she's in west Kerr's insecure everybody. It's okay. There was some sort of like. Concert or something that she just vanished from. I think reading like Richard Simmons is something like that. So you know, I feel like there's there's some there's some interesting stuff. What happened was she? So she was she was doing some sort of musical act with snoop Dogg, snoop Dogg's redemption of a dog musical in Washington DC, and just I guess in during the intermission just kind of extended and kept going intermission kept going and going and people were like what's going on? And then people came out, and they were like, yeah. Tomorrow leave for an emergency. And it was later sort of leaked out that somebody was unable to deliver her food. Once she got very upset because she had asked a friend to deliver some food for her, but did not inform security that that person was coming in the person who was turned away and she did not receive her food. She she she stormed out. So I'm hoping that this does not mean that she storms out of the big brother house. However, I'd be fine with her storming out as long as you doesn't make people vote her out. So I feel like she's she's probably more of a Stormer than a than somebody who's going to be voted out. So that's a that's a positive thing. Okay. This is nominated for Grammy awards. She was also on the. It's not the view. And it's not the talk. Have you seen her on the real Taryn? I did see that she was on the real. But she had a sudden exit from the show could she be being groomed. As a replacement for Julie Chen, moon, vests on the talk, perhaps perhaps. Apparently, she just did not get along with her her co hosts and ended up potentially getting fired. Hey like that fire from Tamar Braxton. Yes. So I just feel like no matter. What happens? I feel like we're in for something. Good here. Okay. All right Taryn who is the person that you are the eighth most excited to see in this cast. Really really doing my best team. It's still on the board. I'll tell you. Oh, my are. You are you in for the mooch? All I am super psyched about the mooch. Anthony Scaramucci now do you and do, you know much about the mooch? I don't I don't know much about him. I obviously was aware of what was going on with him in his job in the White House. I hadn't known much about him beforehand standardly that the mooch is week of national prominence did happen during your busy season. So it was during their nineteen when Anthony Scaramucci took over four Sean Spicer as a White House director of communications for the period of July twenty first to July thirty first one seventeen. Now, I think that there's going to be a lot of people who are not crazy about this of not wanting to bring politics into the big. Big brother house, but we did have Omarosa last season. And I do feel like that in a lot of ways. I think that this is a very similar casting choice here to have Scaramucci here in the big brother house. Now, I know that there are a lot of people that are not going to want to engage with Anthony Scaramucci talking about in terms of the big brother fans because of his proximity to the president. But even though that he is an ardent Trump supporter and defender that he is also in Trump world that he is positioned in the unique place where his arch enemy is Steve Bannon in Trump world and really he came on board. He's I have enjoyed watching the moot. Here to put it in game of thrones terms that he came in. And he was sort of like the red viper where it's sort of like from out of nowhere like, ooh. Who's this new interest? Character. That's in the national soap opera, and he came in. And he has all of this flare. And he's like a sweet talker. A butt kisser of who he took over the podium for a day. And was like they asked him questions. And he was like, oh, yeah. Hey, that's that's an excellent question know, he was like really like. A real brownnoser when he talked about when he talked to the reporters and really was you know, a big suck up when it came to a he was talking about Trump in terms of like, this guy is unbelievable. I've seen him come to Madison Square Garden, he can shoot a three pointer from the foul. Shoot a three point from the foul line. But he's about like I've seen I've seen Donald Trump. Throw a football fifty yards down the field like a. He's he's I think so fun to watch. And he's also very aggressive also because we're he ended up getting fired because he told he told a story to a reporter where he was really like a going after Steve Bannon said very obscene things about Steve Bannon in an interview that he thought was off the record like he goes after people on Twitter that I mean, Anthony Scaramucci is like a big brother contestant on Twitter already, and he didn't even go play big, brother. Yeah. There you go an apparent from. What I read his stance on Trump was a complete one eighty from like just a year before to like where this is entirely just to get the job. Run. He has he's he climbs the ladder. Right. I think that he really I think he's he was like friends with Jared Novon ca-. And I mean, I'm pretty sure that Anthony Scaramucci was democrat he's not too long ago, and or certainly has given to democratic causes and then has been a big Trump supporter at least on the fiscal front, and it has been a defender of Trump. So I think that if you are sort of nervous about Scaramucci. I think that you could paint him as somebody who appears to be socially a democrat. But in terms of economic policy more of a conservative. He's a Wall Street guy from Long Island and the New York area. So I think that he is going to be the ultimate Schmoozer in the house. He's going to make everybody mad. Bad. I think he's gonna be nonstop drama. He followed like all of a sudden after he got laid off from the White House. Then he followed a ton of people like in the reality TV community on Twitter. We don't know why. I don't know if he was always like anticipating run in celebrity big, brother. He was somebody whose name was always associated with celebrity big brother from the get-go. So I'm very excited to see Anthony Scaramucci actually going to be in the house. I wonder if he was in contention for season one. But they got Omarosa. And they were there like we can't do both. It's possible. I think that he is somebody who loves the spotlight loves the tension and probably saw everything that Omarosa got out of the first celebrity big brother, and I think that he will definitely play that role here where I think that he will you know, sort of dangle. Oh, little tidbits of things that he knows about a Trump. Although where Omarosa famously had a divorce from the administration, I think Scaramucci does want, but he has enemies like within Trump world. But I don't think he's ever come out against Trump since his departure from the White House. So we might be on the lookout for some accidental like dropping of some information that happens to be negative towards the people that are against him. Right. Right. Like, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see where it goes. But the guy loves conflict and loves drama and feels like he knows everything. So I think that he will be very fun to watch on the shelf. So from a TV perspective, I'm very happy to have the mooch onboard. Yeah, I I love watching the this kind of what I assume him to be this kind of player where he's probably going to go in thinking that he can just like schmooze his way to the end. In the same way that he climbed the political ladder, and that he can be this sort of light. But he did he climbed no political editor. Friend, even the Wall Street person. They brought him into the White House to the communications director, and he was out in ten days, which could be very similar to his big brother story. Right. He he managed to get there. Probably thinks men wasn't my fault that I said these things, and then it got leaks in got fired. At least I got there. He's the record in the big brother house scares. Yeah. Like he's going to go in there. He's going to think that he can like play these people. This is nothing compared to getting myself into the White House. But. Actually, it is. It's it's much. It's it's probably harder to win. Big brother. Let's say, okay. All right. So LOL Karen, who is the ninth most exciting person for you. Let's see who's left. Let's go with. Natalie. Marie natalie. Eva Marie WWE diva. Yes. She was somebody that was leaked a little bit beforehand. Yeah. She's another person. I don't really know of her before. But I just this is basically the case with with most of the people here where I didn't really know of them. But I've heard that they're really dramatic. Okay. What is Natalie? Eba Marie best known for in her WWE career was apparently on a reality show called total divas total divas. Yes, I think Nicole used to watch that at one point. There you go. Maybe we maybe we need to go on down. Look CBS coming off of the having the mayor of slam town on the past season of survivor. David versus Goliath that we are now really hot and heavy for WWE wrestling personalities. I mean, I feel like I feel like the the wrestling and big brother have always had some kind of tie. You know, there's there's a similar quality. Mr. patacula, even even go into Eric Stein and Peter Brown who's a big wrestling fan. And did a lot of like wrestling stuff. There are a lot of like I feel like there's there's an interesting connection there. I think there's a surprising number of wrestling fans. That are also big brother fans. So I feel like it's it's not that far of a reach here that especially some a wrestler who was also on a wrestling reality show. And apparently was pretty pretty entertaining on. Okay, we like drama we'd like conflict we like athleticism, and so we like personality. So I feel like when you have check marks in any of those categories. Good fit for wrestling orbit puppet. Yes. And also, hopefully very competitive. And that's that's what I want to see I want to see her go in there and really just try and take take the game and throttle it and and try to try to win as hard as she can. Okay. All right and. And she doesn't mind if the whole thing is fixed in wrestling. Right. Okay. All right tariffs. Who is the person that you were the tenth most excited about I'll go with Ricky Williams, Ricky Williams, number ten Ricky Williams who recently did a celebrity apprentice a stint as well. I believe that he was on the Schwarzenegger version of the apprentice, what's the I watched that one. I don't remember him. And he he made it pretty far. Also, I think he was like final six or seven. Hopefully god. I know it's very Darren. You'll forget what happened on my apprentice does he look. Here's a bald head. Get a head on this. Let me Prentiss. Oh, man. I'm going to have to. A reference my memory on that one as well. Here's the thing. I was worried he was going to be not much of an entity on the show and this really reaffirms. Those worries your buddy met is man is going to be so upset with you Taryn for forgetting detail of his victorious celebrity apprentice season well to be fair. I was watching format Eisman. So I guess my I was on the prize there and it didn't stray too far. But all I've heard about from Ricky Williams is that he likes the marijuana. That's that's all I hear about. He apparently took some time off from the NFL in order to smoke something along those lines. I don't really understand it. So Ricky Williams had a very interesting career think he was he the number one or number two draft pick. Mike Ditka traded a bunch of pics to get him and bring him to the New Orleans Saints, but his NFL career sort of mired by a number of suspensions for the use of marijuana which was a banned substance then and still now though of the world has probably turned more to Ricky Williams side on that front. So he had a number of suspensions. He took time away from the NFL. He then came back and was kind of good for a little while about ten years ago. And then he is a very inch. To I think some of the eastern arts massage therapy stuff like that. Yes. I found I found a clip of him from the celebrity apprentice, he looks completely different on the celebrity if he's in a suit, he's he's clean shaven. He's got a bald head. He looked so different from his picture. I do not I refuse to be ashamed for not recognizing him. He looks like a completely different person. And he looks like the kind of person you're describing in the celebrity big brother photo a bit like a hippie with a beard, and like a hippie shirt tower, a Ricky Williams that he couldn't come on this Lebanon apprentice, if he was going to look like it was a hippie commune. This isn't a big brother house. No, yoga, no yoga getting shape. Clean shaven. He wasn't that exciting. I mean by evidence Attaran couple forgotten. I think he's a pretty zen guy. Yeah. Yeah. You know, people are really like I feel like I it makes me not trust some of the things that have heard about some of these other people when people all Ricky Williams, he's going to be a character. He's going to he's going to be how is he going to get through without smoking. Like he was a perfectly normal dude on celebrity apprentice. So I don't know about this well celebrity apprentice famously like films like ten hours a day. You don't know what he's doing the the cameras are off. Whereas I believe that the big brother house is going to be able to control the substances that come in and out of the house a bit more. Yes. Well, I lot of people are saying that, you know, this this guy. He's very wealthy. He doesn't really need to be here. Either. They're worried that maybe he's going to be a meta world peace where maybe he doesn't really care about the game. Maybe he ends up quitting. Hopefully that is not the case. Hopefully, he's there to play. He's there to to not. Quit. And and it'll be alright. Yeah. I think a lot of people are also worried that Ricky Williams may be very unlikable considering his background as Miami dolphin. And so the could hurt him in some of the fan voting on you never know. Okay. People really hate dolphins. Jets fan like myself. Okay, Sarran then who is the person that you are the eleventh most excited about. Well, let's go Dina low hand. What is going away is Dino lo Han here? She's I like them all of the like the little league write ups in like occupation. It's like a professional Olympic athletes. NFL star actor whatever and Dina low hands is mother of other person. Yeah. Believe Dina lo Han, also like myself, also a Long Island native, I believe and she and Michael Lohan are the parents of a Lindsay Lohan Michael Lohan about ten years ago beat the crap out of Jonny fairplay in a celebrity boxing match. If anybody has a that was one of the people. One of the celebrities that is beaten. Yeah. Jonny fairplay might Michael low half. But yet, here's Dino low hand, and I'm kind of here for it. I think she's a hot mess. Dina lo Han don't know a lot about her. But I've seen a lot of YouTube clips about like a Dina low hand, what is she on in this video, and that is one of my favorite kinds of crazy Taryn? I'll have to watch it. Yeah. I mean who knows I've I've no idea all these I know of her daughter I've never heard of her before. I have no idea. What she's like, I'm I'm mostly just concerned that she is going to be one of the people. That's like get me out of here is too much. I don't know. I don't know if the seems like like, I feel like maybe she'll be a little bit out of her depth. I dunno. She's she's a little bit unique here. Sorry. Let's listen to a clip. This is from a YouTube video called Dina low hands bizarre, Dr Phil appearance. This might give us a good sense of what's going on. Camera now or rolling? I'm sorry. Okay. Can we cut? Oh god. Yeah. Can we cut one? The news. Like sit closer. So we're friends nice shoes. Like, by the way. We're not shoes. My the toughest cancer. We. Oh, okay. Multi. You know? I'm in my little my little Sherm. Such a dick. It's on video go back to that. What is your problem? My shoes we're not here to talk about my shoes. Well, now ironically that the catch me outside girl would make a career out of a copy Gina low hands performance. So she's onto something there you go. I guess I I don't know. I don't know if you know, she'll probably need a lot of alcohol in order to make that sort of. Appearance on the show. So I I don't know if it's going to happen. Yeah. I'm not sure exactly what she's been up to recently. I don't know what she's been like she was last seen. I mean, that's it in twenty twelve. And so I don't really have a lot about what's been going on. She was on living lo Han in two thousand eight then she was on another Lindsay Lohan reality show. But now things have been pretty quiet on the deana low hand front. Yeah. I mean, she she's another person who had a reality show that was canceled. And I feel like that's not a good sign. If you if you were on a reality show, and it was like sorry. You are not entertaining enough. We're gonna cancel the show. It's similar to Ryan locked the who's who. In fact, I don't think made it through thirteen facades. I feel like you're probably not interesting enough to be on. Don't you think? It's weird though that. Deana lo Han and also Jonathan from mean girls Jonathan Bennett are both in this cast. I mean, I guess so I don't know how much interaction they really have had who knows kind of feel like trust path. Okay. All right. The person that you are the least excited about here in this cast is Mr. Joey Lawrence. Yeah. I just I just have no idea who he is. Okay. Joey lawrence. He is a was a child actor who started on the NBC show. Gimme a break with Nell Carter, then he famously had his breakout as part of the ninety s sitcom blossom Taryn with miam- Bialik. I don't have any idea what that Sheldon's girlfriend on the big bang theory. And also was in the audience for the survivor one world finale, she loves Colton. There you go the connections are starting to appear. Yes. So Joey Lawrence that I believe he also had a pop single in the mid nineties. Nothing. My love can't fix. Was a his star turn into the pop scene. You want to hear a little bit of that to share guy. Here's Joey Lawrence with. There's nothing on my love can't fix. And I believe that his signature look leave. He would often have a flannel shirt tied around his waist. Google pictures of Joey Lawrence, basically, he is the nineties. It was what you're telling me he had like full owing hair Kato kaylin, and he might have had the same haircut at one point in time. But now he has a bald head. Well, that's a shame. Yes. Then he had like a second career on the Disney channel where he we got paired up with Melissa Joan Hart of Clarisa and Sabrina fame on the Melissa and Joey TV series. Yes. This this is the reason why I'd have no idea about that you keep saying all of these things, and I don't know any of them. I don't even know the reference to the reference I have no idea. Why think you got screwed up here where I think you're too young for blossom? But then you were too old for Melissa and Joey. So I think you know on both ends. The thing is like he was another one that was spoiled ahead of time. And even then I felt like nobody was talking like he was spoiled like he was one of two people that people knew was going to be on the cast and still I didn't see anybody really talking about him. And now, I really don't anybody talking about him. Okay. So the Joe Lawrence is your is your twelve cast member, you mentioned, the leaks Taryn. So who of these cast members were leaked ahead of time? Well, there were rumors about DNA. The don't believe the wherever confirmed, but she her name was out there for a while. Kato I believe accidentally leaked himself. Classic Kato kaylin. I believe Eva Marie. I don't remember how that one kid got somebody like spotted her at like, a gym or something. And I think that was the first name that got out there where it was like, she was like, hey, I'm Eva, and I'm going to be in the house with all these people, and I think that she was like shooting sort of like, the her b roll pack or intro package somewhere. And if she was spotted in the wild. Yes. Well, there you go. And then Joey was leaked by. Brunson who I think was a little bit burned by the fact that he was not invited for the second season in a row. Yeah. So do you think that he was really in the mix? And if so where they're going to be more houseguests or did they replace him with somebody else last minute. I think what he said was that they didn't reach out to him. But he was like, hey, guys. I'm here. I'm ready into the he got nothing back. So he's like fun. Yeah. I wonder how they do this. I wonder if they start with like a list of like twenty four people that they're looking at it and sort of like get it not down in terms of who's available and who's not. And who who is ultimately walks at the last minute due by the rumors that New York was part of this cast. I no not particularly, okay. Okay. All right. Tara anything else that we need to know before we start to look ahead to the coming week and our draft of the celebrity big brother season two contestants. I think we're good for now. Okay. All right Taryn. And I have a also recently completed our second big brother of Baloch, you mentally this is a little confusing. It's our second block memory. But we talked about the third season of big brother big brother three Taryn, and it is twenty three hours, and I've even heard from people who have finished the whole thing. Yes. Already very impressed. It's a really really fun season. I think it's of the early seasons. I think big brother three stands. Still stands the test of time to this day. I think that more so than almost any other older season. It just there are some really really great moments in it. There's a really great cast. So I had a good time. Yup. You can also listen to the complete first chapter. We posted in the podcast feed. In the Roberts podcast podcasts. Beat and our big brother only podcast feed or you can listen to it or purchase. If you go to rob has a website dot com slash BB three. You can listen to the first part for free. I should say rob has a website. I com slash b b three to find it in our audio book store. Okay. Terron also wanted to remind people you can subscribe to rob as a podcast in a number of different ways. You may be listening to us in our main feed, which is all of the podcast that I am hosting. That's Robert whip. So that com slash I tunes. We're going to have a recap of every night of celebrity big brother after it airs that'll be lie. And also posted here in the rob is podcast podcast feed. 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But definitely ready to go here with big brother celebrity if people wanna look you up on that Instagram on that instead of terror and how do they do? Terron underscore Armstrong. I believe is already. Just search my and you'll find okay, we got plenty coming up on the podcast as well this week, including I will have a interview another long form interview. I posted long-form interviews with Christian with Nick and with Gaby from this past season. I'm going to talk with Alison as well early on this week. So be on the lookout for that. And our big celebrity big brother draft coming up later on this week. We will let you know when we have a locked in time for that. Because enjoyed our quick first impressions of the celebrity of big brother cast in can't wait to see how talking to play out take care of it. You have a good one.

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HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING: Previewing Janelle Pierzina and Cody Calafiore as Big Brother All-Stars

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HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING: Previewing Janelle Pierzina and Cody Calafiore as Big Brother All-Stars

"Britain. Everybody would not rob Cicirino here and I have a brand new podcast series that we are going to be doing hypothetically speaking of how the people who may or may not be in the cast of the upcoming big brother. All Stars BB twenty two scheduled to premiere on Wednesday night August fifth. There are a lot of names and rumors swirling around and a lot of those names are changing. Even as we speak, but what we wanted to do here because we don't know necessarily what this preseason is going to look like whether or not, we'll even. Even get cast before we get to Wednesday, August fifth. What we started doing is doing a series of interviews where we are going to attempt to preview the chances and review the history and the story of every person. Potentially that is going to be in this big brother cast so in this podcast you're going to hear two previews one about the three-time potentially four-time big brother legend John Peers. Zena and we're going to talk about the potential return of cody are. That's all going to be here in this podcast. We're going to release one or Of these every day in between now and the premiere of Big Brother on August fifth, you'll hear from myself and a panel or Taryn Armstrong, who will be with me as well on this podcast as well with a panel of your returning rha favorites, and will also be introducing a number of the R. H. Adp Class of Twenty Twenty newcomers. We've done a huge casting call in this last month. Where we saw over six hundred fifty people sending applications, you'll be hearing from many of those standouts here in this series as well so without further ado, we will throw it over to our first preview where we're GONNA be talking about Janelle peers. Zena and if you're. You're so inclined and you like this sort of content here on rob has a podcast. You can go ahead and leave us some feedback and a rating head on over to rate this podcast dot com slash are h. p.. Now here's John and stay tuned for Cody California already. Let's get this started. Hypothetically, speaking, talking about the return of Jenn Nell peers xena to the big brother. House very excited to get started on this journey. We could not do this without this man who will be here every step of the way talking about the live feeds with you every morning on the big brother morning update. Please welcome in the Great Taryn Armstrong Teheran. How are you? Doing great rob very excited. It's all stars and we're going to talk about these people like getting to use this encyclopedia in my head that I never use. This is great. Yeah, very excited. Taryn and you and I will be sort of splitting up the list of people maybe sixteen. Who knows maybe we'll do more as rumors start to go this. Catholics keeps changing so well. We'll try to cover as many as many names as we can here in this next week or so so. Very very excited to get the chance to work on this with you. A man who has been following the big brother rumor mill very very closely. It's our own Brent Brent. How are you? I'm doing great center. It's nice to be back podcasting. I have to say that I sort of fell into the. Pre rumor mill big brother, who's going to be on game, but it's been very rewarding and I've had a good time, so I hope you all have enjoyed it with me. It's nice following Aclu's along the way. We want to get an update from you in a moment, but let me just also introduce woman who is brand new RHA. Who is here to help us? Talk about this very first segment that we're going to do. Please welcome Shantelle Francis. How are you? Get the bell amazing. Happy to be here especially since I'm from Canada and season eight of candidates, big brother was cut short because of covid. It was really exciting to hear that we're going to get some big brother 'cause I. Don't think of a summer without big brother us, and it's been my summer for the last over twenty years, so I'm so excited to be talking here today about brother twenty two throw. Could you tell the listeners a little bit about yourself? About me I'm from Toronto as I've mentioned I always been kind of growing up in the arts and entertainment world, but I fell in love with reality TV when I was in high school, and I've been watching pretty much everything ever since and fell in love with Big Brother and survivor season one. I watched season one big brother as well so I love it and I've been obsessed with it ever since me. Me and my mom now Taryn Va. Lot of people came into this week thinking that we're going to officially get a cast release on Monday. That does not appear to be the case. Do you think that we will get a confirmed list from CBS? Before we get to the premier, or do you think that they're just going to say? Hey, you want to know who's on the show tune in August fifth. It's been. It's been crazy because on the live feeds. There's been a page up there saying on Wednesday, you'll get to see the new cast. Tune in, and there were rumors that as you said that we would hear about the cast on Monday before Wednesday not just not just wouldn't have interviews. But then the rumors started going. That's going to get pushed and now and then there were also rumors that then Wednesday was also GonNa. Get pushed in the page on the live feeds has disappeared in changed into tuning on the fifth or the premier. which does kind of indicate that? Perhaps we might be seeing no cast at some point, though there are still some rumors out there that the interviews are still taking place, and if that's true, then there if there are, there are interviews than Shirley, will see them before the premiere would imagine, but who knows. What do you think? Are we going to get an official cast from CBS before the season starts I mean your guess is good as Mine I. Take Terrence Point well that. We might just get them on the live move in and I. AM convinced that they don't even know who's in the cast at this point so i. how are they going? Tell us who's in the cast ono I look. Everybody has understands very fluid situation taking place in the middle of a pandemic. I know that that goes unsaid, but a lot of people tend to forget how much plays with everything and I'm convinced that things are still up in the air show. You're not tapped in. You don't have any a rumors. Do I mean we did see that I'm Robin casts for moved a tweet. I'm apparently she was excited about the cast revealed it was supposed to be happening on Monday the fifth and then Air Monday Monday on Monday and they pull a J. changed date so She just removed. The tweet and people are speculating. Speculating it's because the cast change, and so the cancer bill was not going to be happening on Monday. Okay, so we can only control can control what we can control, and that is going to be to talk about people that are hypothetically on this season and one of the big names that has been hypothetically floated and reported on has been the return of Janelle. Four fourth trip to the Big Brother House on the heels of a amazing race stint of from last year shutout. What would it mean for you for to be back? In the Big Brother House would mean everything obviously I've said before they've been watching since season one but season six. I still feel like my favorite season of big brother. Anybody that I've wanted to get into big brother you have to. To Watch season six and I think that was a big part of Janelle being in there, and how she played the game, it was just really exciting to see somebody. She's beautiful, but then she's copies and strategic, and like boy, and she just kind of had everything that I felt was entertaining and watching a big brother houseguests and she just she did so well that I want to for her and. I think she's great. Okay, now Brent. You're a longtime fan. Also yes, I go hot and cold now, but she's the perfect kind of reality. Show player because in seasons six. We got to see her and she was. Everybody's favorite. We loved her. Like most people hated the friendship and we love the sovereign six, and of course she was part of that, and it was so funds. Wild churches absolutely shove it down their throats every week. When America's choice went for her time and time again. Again I will say though that. In the all stars the first incarnation they'd brother seven that it was like I typically root for the underdog engineer was not the underdog on big brother seven. She was in control for a you know a good part of the first part of the game and a lot of our favorites ten- tended to go out so I. I think I got off the train a little bit, but then when she started to lose control the game to chill town. Then I came back so. It's really hard nuts like Janey and saw. Big. Brother Fourteen aid. Did did that even happen? What water to happen yeah. I guess she wasn't on very long. I don't really think it speaks much to her game. Taryn I always love to hear about the chronicles of young Taryn watching these seasons the first time through what was young Karen's reaction to journal. Journal I especially loved Keissar and I love. The Journal was with cancer. I remember. Right! Early in season six like she. She likes to play chess and she had like dire a confessional about like. Oh I can tell things about people by the way they play or something along those lines. And I was like Oh. She's so smart. This is amazing I. Love Her. And I was definitely. Rooting for is very anti friendship as a young child. Be Yes. All right. And I went into all stars fully. I'm season six Stan like let's go case James. Why are you screwing them over and I was converted to. Back, over to chill town, because I had initially been a doctor will person, but but case there was just too likable and so I was like anti doctor will, but then I came. I came back around on. Doctor Will but I was never overly impressed. I think even then by like her strategic ability. But she was just an amazing character. You just want to root for I think is the thing that the has going for okay. Let's talk about the story of Big Brother Six. Janelle, and how? We I ultimately met this woman who is potentially going to make history as a four-time big brother player. Well, they started that season with hairs, and her pair went out really early and I think that was her pair. I noticed. So I think actually I went out first, and then she kind of got into a showman's with Michael, which was cases partner, and so when Michael went out when Alan case are got together and they started working together and I know you're saying that you don't feel that. She has that much strategy, but I think that she's learned how to play her gain that works for her. She's out in the open with her alliances. She makes like is. Is People these who aren't going to stand with a draw the line and it's us them and I'm going to win these competitions to keep my team together, and I think the that narrative is what she kinda developed in season six, and she carried it through a on the next two seasons, whatever happened to ash lay I feel like I've never seen this before in my life and I don't know I've never heard her name again soon. When I say did beeper fourteen ever happened? Did Ashley Ever happens? Personnel yes, she was a high radically. She was the first personnel and then Michael. Who was jails? The second person out so yeah, that's not very good. Good luck on that. In my mind, I thought that Mike was journals. Partner like Oh, yeah. She had a show with the guy, and then he was out early, but no I have no recollection of Ashland Michael is. Mike was cases partner and they were. That's how sir. That's how a case syringe bonded. Because they both lost their partners, also they're amazing. And by the way there is a storm in my area, so I may get cut off at any moment when when my power goes out. How is with you? Karen. Can you talk about the formation of the? A. Sovereign six I guess. Sort of like the rise up of the gene side of the house. Yeah, well I mean part of it stemmed from Qaysar and copy at the time were we're trying to form something and James was kind of talking about Michael was kind of in on it. But but Cathy was very worried about Michael because he was very flirty with the women. was flirting with Jennifer and then. All of this, so a copy was like her. You gotta you gotTa. You gotTA. Keep an eye on him Going Michael Duty You gotTA. Stop flirting with people. You know copies getting annoyed. In case there was trying to like vouch for Michael and It became clear that especially with the way the pairs were shaped at the time that the. Capi we're just not. It's not gonNA work out so case there ends up. There's a big split. Case ends up on these sort of side of things. They gravitate toward Howie and Rachel. And that's that's sort of like the formation there as copy and Maggie and up on the other side of things with you know event and and Jennifer in bow and them in April. And then you know you initially had. James and Sarah is sort of with the the six, but then they. They did their their floppy thing. Much to their demise. Really, it really was like. They weren't the people that initially gravitated toward each other, and they were kind of pushed together by circumstance and I think you see that play out in all stars when they're in an alliance and do not function. Shows. How can you talk a little bit about journal and her role as a sort of defacto leader of that side of the house? Well I think that she's good at competition, so it was easy for her to be. The in the face of that of that alliance will say you know she. She would be willing to make those live like. Give me that key and she was willing to stand out. Amongst that group and kind of a be the leader, and so I think that her role kind of developed for her in that sense, because she was always winning the things and was willing to be putting yourself out there. Yeah, I will say that's definitely true. the one thing that should be pointed out though isn't big brother six. Geno did not win h h until week seven. Seven when she said give me that Ki- like it, was so she? She had she only one to h. h is in two vetoes that season, and most of them were in the latter half of the game so early on. She was a character that people enjoyed in the house. She wasn't like some comp. Amazingness and sort of evolved into that before our eyes much to our. Joint surprise. Journal really thrives in an environment where there's a lot of conflict and tension in the house. Is that her strong suit? Yes I think so. Now granted at the at the start of big brother, all stars, the original one. As Brennan said she was kind of in control. She kinda went head to head with Jase on. There were co h wages, and she got her way that week. and she kind of continues to get her way a little bit. as the season goes amidst very typical of Brent to to not like a player when they're doing well into only like them when they're not doing well. But so she does have those those chops, and and even in big brother fourteen where you don't see her play a lot. You do see that she she. She knows the game well at this point She knows what she's doing. She knows how to play and she's. She's ready to like make alliances. In fact I think that big brother fourteen stint will tell us a lot more about her than what we saw. You know seven years prior because she was a lot more subdued in big brother fourteen. Now, she never really had a chance to like call war. So. Maybe you're right. Maybe that if she had been more out in the open, she would have been more successful but but also. You know the kinds of competitions that the show does are different than they were back. Then you know Janelle was amazing. These question calms at these Skill Calms they're very very overtly physical now, assuming that that's what we get this season given the current state of the world. And, that may impact how her game functions. Chiwetel, could you talk a little bit about journals prowess in the competitions? She just she seemed to be really good at everything and I think it's. It's not her blood to give up or to quit like she will just push yourself to the end, and usually it's just going to be that little bit further than the next person, so she's going to snag out the win. She's very meticulous, particular and resilient, and I think that all of that is why she's going to these competitions. It's like she'll. She'll never stops so never like. Go show like cheap. Go except in the final three. She'll go by accident. Is going to hang on until the bitter end. Yeah, we don't talk about that Cintel. Either On most impressive a competition win. I, the only one I've just recently watches season fourteen when she had to like your hips back and forth, and like this is the weird. Weird. Competition Or not, but I think that was the most impressive for her to keep a straight face for all of. Right here is. There was a she actually wouldn't veto. I think she was the first house goes to change one of her nominations. If not defers I head of household to change the nation's in big brother six when she took one of the Strategic Maggie off the block to put up events to make sure that she got Jennifer out of the house, she wanted h h veto that we were her. First to competition wins ever I think though the legend. Legend of really he came to the forefront in big brother seven in all stars, because that's where she just one everything insides, and it was like like like. Are you getting tired of winning yet? Because I am because I, wanted to just like you. WanNa root for people, but you also want them to feel like like they have to go through hardship, and for the first part that game. She never had to go through any hardship. Taryn does Janelle have a signature mistake in big brother six? That cost of the game is it just just not holding on to win the final three H H? I mean it's arguable that. that. She even could have one jury vote even if she had won that final apart. Of course, debates back and forth until an old season now so it's especially hard to figure out but. But I mean really. They just I think the signature journal mistaken that season was letting how we make the terrible mistake during his week adds enjoyed. His that's where the sovereign's loses. And she she was not capable of breaking through to the friendship. Alliance, which nobody was that season? Maggie was very very good at holding them holding the line, and so from that point forward, she was going to always gonna be really difficult for her to win the game and she probably came about as close as she could. She'll juno have any catch phrases. Giving that key. got. To. Yeah. To bring a bell, yeah, I feel like the. Does she have something with? How are we going back and forth like I Jamie Jed Eye Howie I mean with the White, sabers and whatnot. Yeah! which we're GonNa, hear again so. Of? Be The ultimate big brother houseguests season fourteen. She does claim that does hers. Okay. What about anything else? From Big Brother? Six before we move onto big brother, stars Janey. Good I. I share Turns Point Though that I'm not sure she could've wanted to revoke that season if she even if she does win she she made it to the final part of the final h h where she just lost to events in better dictator. Then, those were the crazy questions where it's like you know. WHO WHO said? What in the jury about what what were they have said? And it's like you can't even predict half the time. Of said Yeah total crapshoot, so I think that she did about as well as she could do. I take turns point as well that Lenny how I make that nomination of. screwing over James was this using up his h. h James was so terrible because you remove a piece from the board that the other side needs to get out, and then you can't win h h the next week. That's just like putting yourself really behind the ball. Okay, so janelle incredible fan favorite locked the comeback for the first big brother, all stars she ends up coming back of course Co h Jase in week one Taryn how you? Some jin-ll in big brother all stars. I mean she comes back and both her and case all of all of season six. They come back wanting to. Do over for them. Or back in the lions this time this time. We're GONNA win this time, we're not going to lose. And very quickly they they're kind of introduced to a much more complex game than the one they experienced in big brother. Six because Dr will is there and he's somehow their opponent, even though there are bigger threats out there like competition-wise and bigger groups out there. Dr Will and Mike boogie been doing a lot of pre gaming, and and they're calling out. And eventually. Will and case there are going to make a deal like hey, we're the big dogs. Let's target all the floaters. So that as you know, we don't get picked off essentially like the the Lions and is right. And and that's what like Kaser and Janelle by into especially, because at this point journalists getting. Wooed by Dr Will, and and then you have people like. James is very upset about this this line of strategy he's going to break off and so a lot of her game is dictated by the relationship she has with Dr will right from the start he is working on. That group is working in particular on. Chanel he really, he works her from the beginning to the end. He's throwing competitions to her when his allies don't want her to win. He is propping her up as this big. Figurehead target that everybody's looking at while. He's in their pockets stealing their money. And she she buys into it for a long time. It's not until the end of the game when she finally turns around that that she really says, wait a minute. Have you been playing you this whole time. So you know she's definitely playing hard, but she's being directed by somebody else I. Think is definitely the perspective that a lot of people have okay Sean. Tell as a Janelle. Stan were you shipping? Doctor will engine l.. smacking. Of Says Right. Here about the game play 'cause I fell in love Dr Wills Season Two I it out through like is Q. Links how to get the live feeds on my TV. I loved Dr will and seeing Dr Willan Janey have an opportunity to have like a showman's or foments, or whatever that was I was living for every second of it. I didn't care if she was eating her garbage like I just wanted to see that I was I was like johnny she just she was believing it and I was eating it all up to. I didn't I. Didn't care I loved it. Through the screen. God. I know I. Know that you have a relationship here but like. Jeanie you'RE GONNA be. The thing it's my ideal world. Yeah, I would also agree with Karen. Did the Johnny was? She was directed that season and dig with Dr will was that he wasn't necessarily pro donell or pro Danielle Ras, who was also on big brother, all stars he was like if one got too much ahead, he was. Willing to let the other ones stay like like there was a time. where was H. H H and she was trying to get Janelle out are. Trying to get Danielle out and he was like helping Danielle and Danielle's Hoa's trying to get genetic helping jin-ll like it was just absolutely infuriating from a stands up Stan. Fans point of view and I was. It took me a while to realize who was actually in control of the game. It wasn't the two women that I was rooting for it. Was this guy behind the scenes? Okay Taryn. Where does it go wrong for Janelle in? Big, brother all stars. I mean in this case it's. It's really decided like. She lost that that final comp if she if she can win that and bring Erica than. I, think she's pretty so abe theory. That? Remember. The Erica's crazy as decides to ask a question to Julie Right in the competition. Start there hanging onto this volcano in right. Above and they have to hang onto the key. Erica says Julie I have a question threat to us one hand, or both hands duly answers after talking with producers off screen. She says both hands so now they have to have both hands to now. She can't necessarily hear what Eric is saying because she's on the other side of the Goddamn volcano. Alright, so then boogie jumps off the volcano and then genetics. What momentarily let's go of her hand with the key rob. It was total. B S I'm so mad about it to this day like I, remember Oh. You'll never came on the. Julie never came on and said Hey, you guys have to have both hands on the key. She never said that, but then like it was all on live TV. Unfortunately, unfortunately, they had the live shot of donell with their hands on odd emt at the very moment that had happened that they couldn't just be like okay. We didn't see that not everyone saw it. And then they had the role genie out, and then of course she was in the part with Bougie, and it was the upper upper body strength, and she lost the boogie. Ah So, frustrating. Shot tell that it's an amazing resume for journal through two seasons to get third place both times to be just outside of the money. she could walk away with this amazing accomplishment. Will now there's like I use the term all the time getting Janelle and I've played some live reality games where I was genetic twice and so I do. That energy. Yes, so it's it actually has to do with winning that final. Combine your similar player to Janelle and you can get yourself to that final three spot. It's all about winning that last comp and being able to Kinda dictate like I'm not finally. Head of household is the most important I think for that type of player. She needs to take herself to the end. Of She such vivacious likable presence that she's going to always have to win that final Com. She's never going to be in a position where she can just be like. Oh wait no matter what happens here I can just lay off like frigging Derek Sixteen. There's no scenario where that's going to happen. She is going to have to win. She doesn't win. She's out and that's why you know. If I can speak for. My taryn maybe doesn't care for as much from a strategy point of view rather than from a competition point of view. The True Taryn. yeah, well I think also I, think issues an interesting player. Look at socially because. She she has trouble finding close allies, which is weird to say because she's part of like one of the most likeable and famous alliances ever as I said they kind of came together out of necessity, and they were pretty much a hot mess. All throughout all stars and we see your comeback season fourteen and again she struggles to find allies that are loyal to her. All of the people that she ends up aligning with often see her as exposal. which is what happens to her? In she's exposed to pretty much all of her allies in season, four and season seven, except for maybe like how we engage her. And in season fourteen she has she fails to bond with her team a when she's a coach. They rebel from her essentially She fails. Ultimately she had with Britney. She was working on Dan, but ultimately they choose bogey over her. They see her as expendable, and and just she has. She struggles to find those. Solid like social bonds. And, so she kind of she kind of works on a more strategic and competitive level than than a social one and I think that's something that people don't pay attention to when they're looking at genitals game most the time. Yeah. I think it's a very interesting observation. That so much of the success of big brother players comes from the ability to be under the radar, but journal is a player, and maybe this is why she's popular is that she's never under the radars so everybody in every house that she's in our. They're keenly aware of who she is and what she's doing. And Yeah. That's what I definitely love about her. She's not afraid of being herself. She's not afraid of winning. She's not afraid of drawing the line the Stan like she is out there to play and win, and she's not going to hide in the background and then wait for her sneak attack moment she is. They're ready to play. And that's why I really appreciate watching her game, but she also does have to learn how to massage the relationships that she's in in. In the House and I think that that is her biggest downfall is not realizing that people are more emotional than she might be. People are not playing as hard as she might be. And so I think that recognizing that people might be playing a little bit differently than she is. Will make do better maybe this time? That's my question. Does Genie Habit within her? Because we've seen her? She always played like Ott's. She's always on top of things right on that one. He's always somebody who's out in front. She's never under the radar right, so does she have it within her Shantelle? Throw a competition to throw. No I don't think he's just saying like seemed like any because I feel like it's like a vicious circle of. She starts winning early on. Then you keep you have to keep winning early on. You have to keep winning in order to not be targeted, and it's just like a terrible circle. Why not throw off early and play like okay like I'm over? Hold she. How old is she now? I forget. I'm older now. I can say that and I'm really years removed from the last time I was on big brother. I can't do these competitions anymore. Like what are you talking? Really good point spreads. She. Could she take a page from Tony in survivor winners at war, and instead of playing big fast from the jump that Ken Ken she work on building a ladder to the second floor of the House. could she do projects that potentially a little bit? Disarming people since she's forty years old now, so she has the card to play if she wants to forty grade. She's a calf record and capricorn are. And, they're hardworking. They always are showing up. They want to be happy in the GOERNER. Traffic Coroner. But a cop record is what her star sign is. And I feel as though that energy is always going to be living within her. She's always WanNa be working hard by that is her innate nature is to be a work or suit. Get things done to be out in front, and so it would be against her nature really to go and be in the background. She might be able to play it up. You know like Oh, I'm forty now I. Have a family. I don't do that well. He saw how I did on amazing race, but didn't do that great like maybe she could play that up, but I don't think that when she's in the actual competition that she will let take her hand off that key I think it'd be too much yesterday. Taryn, let's talk about the big brother. Fourteen Journal She is one of the four captains that gets abroad back and I think she has the worst draft of the four captains What does she have Willy Hands? Britney. WHO's on? Her team will It's a chef Joe will and. Ashley Yeah who've yeah bad draft. Do. You think that if she had drafted better. Do you think that that would have helped her chances? You know she didn't. She didn't really manage to bond with with many of the new players. And? Maybe maybe she could have if if other players had been on her team. But? She really did struggle in that in that sense. She did. She did work with Britney for a little while, but Brittany ultimately is going to see her as expendable she she you know she was working with will close. She was trying to work with the people on her team. They eventually just like she's not doing enough for us like we don't need to. Work with her. She's too big of a target and so as she, she kinda just like drifted through that game, and never really had too much of a shot She needed to get in with that group instead of Bogie if she managed to do that, she might have had a chance to go further and she did. Play a lower key game. I think it's important to note that the Journal has probably more experience playing big brother than almost anybody else in in the history of the show. And She is, so she knows how the game works. And you saw that she understood how the game works in big brother fourteen she she could see the pieces on the board. She was laying them out well. She was telling Brittany about things that they should be doing, and she was pretty correct most of the time. The problem was that the tools that she was using or they were rusty. They were like they were just weren't working. Well, right? Something was wrong like the execution was off. And you know there's been rumors event that she has been pretty full force in the pre-game. Going typical general style like let's go. We're going to be making alliances. We're going to be doing a bunch of stuff now. That could be great if it means that she comes onto the season, and she says already did my work. I'm just GonNa let the work play our own. More likely we're going to see that level of energy being brought to this season, although I still don't think it will be big, brother, six and seven I. do think it will be more like big brother fourteen energy and I think that could work for a short period of time again. The biggest thing for me is as she made a close enough personal bonds with some of these other players to actually have an in to do her work. Have you heard of this any rumors about Janelle trying to regain hard, and if so, who are the people that she could be hypothetically aligned with? I could not tell you the people that she's hypothetically aligned with. Maybe tearing can help you more on that. Respect but I have heard that she's been working hard at it and that she is someone who. Has had her hands in a lot of different cookie jars, so I'm hoping for her sake that. They are not aware of that, but on the other hand they had their phones up until a couple of days ago is my understanding, and if I'm aware of that, then they're aware of that, so how much how much as long as everyone thinks? The genie's on their side I think she'll be fine, but if they think that she's double crossing them. Not so much we'll say although I. DO think that Gino's somebody that was hard on her sleeve. And like you pretty much know if she likes or she doesn't so I appreciate that about her she'll. Do you see any hypothetical allies in the mix for L. here. Like, my hypothetical allies is that if genealogy Nado is on there if she works with her as well as case are have pass relationship Danny denardo engine. No, no by just really liked them both. What to see them working together. Obviously case are I. Don't think that she would be should work with them. For sure. Those three would be I. think would be at about Ian like Ian was on her. She was on his original winning season of big brother. If Ian Terry is back in the makes for big brother, all stars. Do you think that they work together I? Mean they might as well. They know each other a little bedtime. She wasn't that favourable towards him in the beginning of that season, but she might have grown them doing and stuff like that. Within the big brother world, they might have become a little bit closer friends, and that was a while ago, so he might have grown up, and they might have grown together as allies, so it's a good possibility terron. Do you feel like that? There's going to be potentially like an old school. New School divide among the players in the in house. Like do you feel like the newer school players going to feel more comfortable working with each other and target the players who are the older players? I think so I think I think it will. At least be part of the narrative, maybe not part of the narrative part of the structure of how things work, the older you're part of the littoral structure like I've been looking at recent projected cast lists, and it looks very like eight old school news, people and not sorry. Eight old school people in eight new school people, so I mean like big brother is looking to. Possibly have a sub theme of the All Star. Season I think that's possible there. Yeah I don't think the lines will be as even as it was on winters Warren and survivor where it was really like all the old school people were all friends and all the new school. People were all friends I think there is going. There's going to be more mixture. But I think that by by the nature of being an old school player and having fewer. Neighboring season's around, you have players coming from them. Players like Daniel Dinardo. have as many connections as somebody like You know we've been talking. Josh another name that has been out there. Who knows at this point? But but Josh has a lot of connections with a lot of the new players. Versus somebody like Daniel Dinardo. Even Chanel, who obviously has a connection to case, obviously was on season fourteen, which is somewhat more recent, but but they have. You're connections, and thus will need to reach out to other people that they feel like are in the same boat as them. And will be excluded from friend groups or connection groups that are more recent and so i. do think that it will be there, but I'm not sure it will be as big as it was on survivor. Show that we talked about Danielle and Oil in big brother, all stars as people that were vying against each other that Daniel race is one of the names hypothetically. There, and although her twitter account vehemently denies it. Do you think that if Danielle race was hypothetically there? Would they be people. That is a familiarity there that they would be able to work together, or do you think that there's any animosity? That, they would work together especially if there's any team of old school new versus new school. I think that they're both mature enough to be like okay. That was that season like fifteen years ago, or however long ago, it was and let's work together and lead school. These new school or is think that they would work together for sure. Yeah, one hundred percent I have to believe that not even stab. Stab, but even in big brother, all stars originally like I. Remember Julie Chen Asking Danielle. Do you think that these people are the two best players in the game you know looking at Erica and Boogie and Daniel was like not a chance and she's like. Who Do you think should be sitting in the final two and she was like Jon Allen Dr will like. She was already given it up to her. Five minutes after she was out of the game. So I have every anticipation that if both of them are in the House that they will definitely work together Taryn if Janelle is in this game and she gets to the. Gets to the house. What what is a great week? One look like for jail. I think I think her being in a group that has the Jewish I think that. I think she may be to work with like so like women. That, she might be like trying to align with other women in the game, and so if say, let's say she is wanting to work with Daniel Dinardo. I think it makes a lot of sense for them to connect. They have very similar sort of positions in the game as big names, competition threats. And they say they want to work together. If somebody like Danielle Donato wins nature wage. Journal is like yes, great were in power. Let's make let's make a a majority alliance from this I h wage. That's a great spot for to be and I think that's her ideal position. Yeah, I'll say it's also very important to remember the original on big brother. She was single and now. Now, she has a family and kids, and she's much more about celebrating other women, and and and herself, and so I think that she not just like somebody like Daniels, not over somebody like bailey or dave on Rogers or any one of a variety of women that are in the House I think that if they're willing to work with Donell, she is definitely. GonNa work with that? Show tell. Do you think it is in the cards hypothetically? Could you be the winner of Big Brother all? Stars Dream I think it will be a very harlow yourself to dream at shantallow. What I'm hoping is that everybody? That's new school is going to be so worried about their twitter followers and instagram followers that they will not want to do donell dirty and get her out of the house because of worried of any backlash, so I'm hoping that her her sheer Quinonez is going to help her stay within the game at least a long time in the longer. She saves them there the more data she uprise. Thumbs up. There is that you agree with the take the Hud. That's what you're hoping for. I agreed to take. I hope that they are like I'm not touching Geno with a ten foot pole. My followers revolt against me their way like I have to at least legend now get to jury. There's plenty of other. People in their cast and we got rid of before Queen Canal Taryn. Do you think that that is a realistic possibility? Will Big Brother Players All star players? Hold off on voting off big targets because they would be worried about a backlash. I don't think so yeah, I don't think. Think these people are coming in I. Think if you are a non big name person, you want to now gone because you don't want it to be journal season, you want it to be your season. And I think journal is a great trophy to put on your man dirty damn trophy last time on fourteen I'm tired of hearing goddamn trophies. And so I don't. Know maybe. I! Don't think that that Genero L. will have a buffer there I think there are some people on this cast. Who like people would be like? People wouldn't want to go again. Theoretical people on this guy's but like people wouldn't want to go after somebody like. Like like Devan I. Think where like Devan is so liked. In the community people want to see von, but people I've seen all three times. They've only seen Dave van. A couple times for portions of the season. and. I think that I think the people like John. Their trophy. The trophy pieces like they want to take these big names out. They WANNA make it their season so I would not expect much protection for for big names. Okay anything else about. No I'm just excited Janey coming back to big brother and Hopefully we get a few Djeddai sound effects here and there. It's it's cool like A. Bit Without. How We? Can I mean that's what that's what they called? They're studying because you know. She's going to be studying from from the job called call it. Djeddai drilling so I am very excited about that, and that's actually. That's actually of the catchphrases that we talked about. In the lexicon of big brother I would say Djeddai drilling is probably the thing that's really carried over from night seasons yet I. Drilling Djeddai drilling. That's what they've called it. Where they're like trying to go over the facts, the house and like you know who went out wh-. Taryn talk about Djeddai drilling feet update once. Anymore. Well. Maybe that's just me and I remember more but I like I mean look. Back on this when the fans are talking about the other houseguests when they're talking about them, studying what they call it I mean like so that's still carries over to this day on even on twitter. Update Me Want. Drilling but training I remember that. Okay. I one thing about genetic. That I think is interesting. Is that she? She's played with both Dr will and Dan, the two biggest names in big brother, and they're all. They're both kind of similar archetypes in that lake. They are these like charismatic Kinda smarmy. Charming strategic lying forces in the game and I have to wonder if she's going to be looking out for players like that like say tyler. She might be particularly wary of or even like cody or Memphis if they're there. As people that are like in that sort of. Like you could kind of see that they might give her flashbacks. And make her worried and she might WANNA target those kinds of people early so that they don't get any footing. That's a great point. Tear that I've been. Reading some books talk about how like as as human beings the thing that's happened to us before where we look out too much for the thing that's happened to us before, and then we don't look at the thing that hasn't happened to us before. That's how we get hit with a pandemic because I'll add hasn't happened Don't worry about that. It's not not real the thing that did happen. Then we get extra cautious about so that could be a real thing to watch. When we analyzed the past Games of these players Chiwetel. Let me give you the final word on Janelle four point Oh. Well I think that she has learned a lot. She's lived a few different decades within this big brother world and she's made it to the final three, so she knows what that feels like. She knows how to get there in different kind of scenarios, and then she's also knows what it feels like to be voted out. Be turned on her charm, not working like everything that she's let's work for her. Her in the past was not working for anymore, and she couldn't save yourself. I think that having that information stored in her body is going to help her navigate really really well in this new season. I think that she knows how to get to the end now. She just needs to learn how to take it to the end. Okay, show tell. Where can people see more about what you're doing? I'm most easy on Instagram at San Fran at C. H. A.. N. C. H. A. N. of not but. All, my other links are going to be there Almond Lincoln. The Bio. Brent for up to the minute big brother rumor news well. Where's everybody going to go? You can always find me at one lucky gain. That's one spelled out. O. N., E., okay of course Taryn. will be continuing to talk about the big brother people, but just in case, people are turning off the podcast now. Where can people find more of uterine? Twitter at Armstrong, Taryn or twitch twitch DOT TV slash. Taryn Armstrong but don't turn the podcast because we'll be right back. All right. Thanks Shantelle and Brent. Fun I love Jamie. All right there you go, there's our preview of. Pierre Zena next up. We're GONNA talk about Cody Calif. era very excited to get into that with Liana Boras and one of our newcomers. For but first. Let me just take a moment and thank a sponsor for this episode of the podcast. Those are our friends over at Brooke. Linen you've probably heard me talk about Brooklyn in before they're the home of the Internet's favorite sheets, but their towels. They're also amazing. Look with this extra time at home. You can either be a have or have. Have not and it's time to invest in a little extra softness and absorbed. 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L.. E. N. DOT COM Promo. Code Rob Brooklyn and everything. You need to live your most comfortable life, or is that like to say no sleep till Brooklyn all right? I'm very excited to talk about our next hypothetical big brother guest, who might be a part of the big brother. All Stars of course back with US Taryn Armstrong. Are you ready to talk about a man who once upon a time you want said. Did. Not Make such a bad move to take derek to the final two. It's going to be cody Calif era. Yes, not not the dumbest move. I think was the specific wording, but. Yes. Talk about cody because I have long been an advocate for you know the idea that cody is underrated as a player and a strategist. People often overlook his contributions to the Hitman. It should be. Yes okay, all right also with us to talk about Cody Cal Fiore. I'm interested to hear why she picked cody cal theory. Of course, it's on on Boris Liana our you. I was secretly hoping maybe last minute. polly Calif your would actually be the one we're talking about. No, no I. Actually Super Stoked to talk about cody I was surprised when I saw him on the list, but then after thinking about his game a little bit more a realize I think there's actually a good reason why he's year. Conflict cited as weird as that sounds. Does he play a second time? Time and also here with us today, a newcomer from the class of Twenty Twenty please welcome Mari fourth more. How are you low? Hello hired body, Hi Karen Hi Rob. I'm so excited to be here classes twenty twenty all day, and I'm actually cited. I got cody as well This might be an unpopular opinion, but I love BBC sixteen. Again I wasn't watching. The feeds during sixteen, so that's. You know that's probably why, but I I love this season I loved just the personalities in it and I think cody agree with a cody is underrated. I think he played a near flawless game. I think maybe. took the person who plays the perfectly flawless game, though okay, but mark before we talk about cody and Refresher memories about cody. We'd love to hear a little bit more about you for our listeners who are meeting for the first time. Yes, so I'm a big big brother Fan. I've been watching like I. I caught a glimpse of it back in bb five when I was fifteen. I just remember being like Oh. This is cute. What does this? Product episodes it ever be BBC's, and then I got hooked all stars, my senior year like going into high school. I was hooked case. They're. Just the be six alliance, I love that in since I watched every season. And then I went back. Watch the older seasons. Then I watch, the can wash a few of bucase case, the lab and I. I started watching the feeds. Eighteen to be Ott. So I was on twitter and a surfer. The DOT sees I've been hooked ever. Since I'm now glued to my laptop I'm there I know everything that's going on the street and it's out here. Not got you in yes. Oh my God. It so I was also I was reading update accounts like as far back as twelve so this I was reading, but like the blogs, not the real life line by line what happened every day? But yes, like being able to afford my own feeds, and be ot really got me into. The community got me on twitter. Dot Me, introduce you, guys. I started listening to you guys after not and haven't stopped since so it was from that moment on that. I was just all in all the rest of the seasons of so now. Why were you so excited to talk about cody? Today Because like I, said. I view Derek was one of my favorite winners. In that season itself was just so it was such a perfect storyline which you know. It was a perfect storyline, but cody he played a good game and people say his worst movie was taking Garrick, but I think his worst mood was not getting rid of Victoria at four in not keeping Cowboy 'cause okay if I, remember correctly, cowboy was closer to cody. Great all right well. Let's talk about that here today. As we relive some of BB Sixteen Liana for you to have. Cody returned to the show. What are you so excited about, is it? Cody cody game. Play cody the character. What's the appeal of Cody for you? I mean. Have you seen him without a shirt? Rob Yes. Thank appeal. Yes, no, no I think that he is someone who is who's really fun. He's fantastic social player and I think that that is really the you know. Once you get past. Oh, yeah, he took Derek to the end. That's the next thing I think a lot of people think of when they think about Cody Caldera is that why is flirting? Allow with all the women in the House of course. Course he had the whole thing with Christine and he's flirting with Nicole and of course with amber and I. think that the Flirty, but also at large his social game in general is one reason why I think that he is a actually a really great person to be brought back if I was doing a draft for a winner of this season. Cody California would be top of my list. Do you feel like that, cody. Coming back, cody two point zero has a real chance to shine in big brother all stars. I mean I honestly I thought he shined in his original season. I really do I think but I do think that he can come back and succeed. It really depends on who he's in there with I. think that some people will be a little bit skeptical of him, but I think he's reputation actually helps him. He's most known for being too loyal. which is probably a good thing especially because he doesn't come in with any? Concrete connections probably. Now being known for being too loyal can hurt you if people see that you're already loyal to somebody else, but if you look like a free agent, that is a very loyal player. WHO WHEN? When people bring you in than than that's a very valuable piece to pick up on the board, and that can work out really well for cody. So I! Know everybody remembers the cody and Derek of it all from big brother, sixty teen, being the the detonators part of the bomb squad, but outside of the going to the end with Derek that if you had to tell the story of cody from BBC Sixteen, what what do you feel like his story? WAS THAT SEASON? I think it's historian Leonid is a great social player. He played that first half of the season just really under the radar or perceived as being under the radar. He was good with everybody. They got the detonator to be end, and then he turned it up. He started winning the cops he started. He started making the the social moves, and I just think that he did. He played a great social game. And I don't see the flaw of of of you know. He took Derek, but he was not gonNa Take Victoria, and that was the problem. If he knew that was never going to be an option, he should've went with Caleb and then, and then took his chances that way because Him and Victoria never meshed and he he was. He was so good, and it's just unfortunate that people don't give him his. Just because he was sitting next to Derek, and just because he was an alliance with Derek. That could have gone either way. Vote could have gone either way and I think anybody would have been okay with the winner. Leon Tell me some cody from Decorah sixteen highlights. Yes. Oh, I! Think like. Mari was talking about early on. It was definitely a little bit under the radar I think in the very first couple of weeks of brother. He's tangentially related to the big alliance. It's in the house, so remember be sixteen was the first season of Battle of the block and that of course necessitated the group, or at least push the group perform. This is really. Really big alliance and he wasn't really the main part of that to at the beginning, but because of his super strong relationships that was why he started to be pulled in, and he started to be a lot closer, and he was flirting with the women of the house, so he was really close with both the men through sort of that male-dominated alliance, and then also with the women so. That was definitely game play. And then as it went closer towards the end of course that that large alliance just steamrolled, and then he was able to win those cops, and the actually that final calm, the H., O. H. Part, two or three was came down to the tiebreaker like it very much could have been that actually he's not remembered for making that terrible. Move because of Derek wins me and I. Don't know Derek does but then either. Cody looks like Oh. The ROB G DOT S and third plays the order. It's like Oh. My Derek, of course, he was GONNA lose. Was Cody ever on the ropes on Big Brother Sixteen. was ever a point where look like that? He likes things really could've. Gone Sideways for him where he ends up getting addicted. Not Really. And in really like. There's an wage that he won over. Donny. Donny had one then maybe or maybe if Nicole had had had power that maybe you know him and Derek might have ended up on the block. Cody had a pretty good relationship with Danni The only way cody goes home as if he's on the block next to Derek. I'm even then. It's kind of up in the air and it was unlikely that that was ever going to happen because nobody really was able to. Pinpoint that the two of them were together. And Cody was instrumental in Derek success. You know his relationship with Danni helped keep Donnie off of Derek's back way more than team America ever did. His relationship to Nicole and Hayden was instrumental in keeping Nicole and hate an off of Derek's back, and ultimately pulling them in. To form that sort of fake alliance that they had for a little, while, which wasn't really fake, because Derek was kind of in on it for a little while until he decided to keep track. But it was cody social relationships helped really pave the way for Derek to dominate, and he wasn't a sludge strategically, either they did daily downloads and planned out their day every single day. And they they had they were. They talk things through. It wasn't like Derek was directing the action all the way all the way through. Grad Murray. I would agree with that I. Mean Cody Literally was Derrick's? Almost main pipeline of them information so without any of that information, Derek could have made those moves, but I I want to ask you. What about the reset button week when cody and Victoria on the block. Do you think anybody would have thought of pulling the trigger on him in? Victoria was going home that we. Okay. which is crazy, but It's a testament to the HITMAN. But so just to explore this. Dynamic between Derek and cody a little bit. It sounds like that. Cody was probably underrated in terms of being the person who was sort of a really. I'm trying to use the right word here I was GONNA. Say. massaging, but I will not use that word. Maintaining a lot of the social relationships is that fair to say? yes, I'm also trying to think of a word that's not massaging, but now that's all I can think about. I think especially for for those people that would have been onto Derek earlier like terron pointed out, I think that that was something that was so fundamental, but I mean even with the other members of the bomb squad and the detonator is like he was really just. They're like I. Don't know if you guys remember. When he was a dinosaur and he was out there in his dinosaur costume. Just be goofy like walking around with his arms. And I think that just really encapsulates what cody's at least the outward gameplay appears to be which is just as guy, super friendly, and really just keeping those relationships strong. I remember a time early on in the season and I I have the the wikki open now I guess it was week for where there was an episode where cody had won the h. h and then he had like a really big decision that I. think that he was like debating whether or not that he was going to put beast mode cowboy up on the block at the height of the beast mode cowboy. Is He a loose? Is he a loose cannon? Can we work with this guy? That do you feel like that? Cody is a clutch decision maker. It seems like that. He really had a lot of angst about trying to decide what he wanted to do. I think what I remember one of his. He said that he was so close to everybody. In the House that at one point, it was almost a detriment because he eventually would have to get rid of those people so deciding on on putting up or not, I could see being that being a really hard decision for him, and later on when he did start willing away. The detonators I think he thought to himself that they might be bitter against him going into the final final to so I definitely can see him making those decisions right on the spot and just following his gut. Love to talk a little bit about the cody's. Second Act in terms of Taron. How do you think that he is going to try to come back and and play? Do you think that he's GonNa? Try to change the narrative about him, or do you think they'll play consistently like how he played in Big Brother Sixteen? I think he's smart enough to know that the narrative doesn't matter and that he will play into it. And I think that he will play for the win. I I. Don't think that he will. Necessarily be because like the biggest thing is oh, you took Derek but to this day. He's like I took Derek I needed to take their taking Derek. I don't think I don't think it's going to be that big of a deal to his to his day to day game. If he for some reason has the. He wins the final three HR wage, it probably like how it going to impact that. He doesn't take janelle maybe I. Don't know. I don't think it's really going to impact all that much, but I do think your point earlier, which is that? He does not do well with. On the point like decision, making that was probably his biggest flaw was that Derek often had to like rain him in a emotionally. And in cody, would often you know? Get get riled up and WANNA go off in. I'm going to confront this person. I'm going to go off on this person and there'd be like chill chill. This is we can't. We can't do that. Without Derek there to keep the leash on cody I wonder how much Paulie we see from him. He this I think is twenty four. When he played in big, brother sixteen. And so he's a little bit older now and so i. do wonder if thought temperament may be a little bit quelled, but at the same time I think Paulie is the older brother, and he's know crazy, so that could also play a role. We might still see a little bit of that. Do you think that cody comes in with any sort of like damage control that he's trying to do in terms of like you know Paulie? Controversies on big brother and on the challenge that he's much more of a wild card. Do you think that he feels any sort of like internal pressure to behave a certain way or try not to fly off the handle because of Paulie? Possible but I just I. Even they are brothers I. Really do view them like so completely separately and I wonder if that is just because like cody like I'm not involved like polly. Wants to have a Mohawk and go dancing on the reunion of the challenge. A very embarrassing way like that's all on. U Bro I'm just GonNa like. My modeling thing. He doesn't maybe doesn't need as meat as much so I don't think it's going to be that big of a deal, but you know you never know with a reality TV world. Mari, do you think that Paulie cal fury will be very active in the big brother community this summer talking about and live tweeting the big brother episodes. I. Don't know he wants the this. Inspire here that I don't think he wants to be twitter. Fire because I know of Austria. Let him have it. Oh! I don't know his time in the challenge did not help. I agree with Liana I view them as two completely separate entities. I. I I would be really interested to see what Erin says happens because I never viewed cody as like really as like quick tempered as Paulie was, so it'd be interesting, but yeah, he's twenty nine now. I think and I think that that experience only help. Yeah, the Taryn you brought up an interesting point about the cody without Derek. That I feel like that. In the history of reality, TV, we've seen so many duos up play like such a great game together where you know one plus one equals four or five in terms of those two people working together. We talked about it a lot and survivor with Stephen Jt. Malcolm and Denise and they haven't had success as a solo act in the way that they had a as a pair. Do you feel like that's going to be the case with cody? It very well could be. Because you know you, look at Dannon Memphis and That's a potentially relevant combination as well but in that partnership. It really was Dan who was directing Memphis action setting him up for the fall. And so when we see Dan, come back. It's not super surprising. That Dan is able to do that with anybody. However as I said Derek in cody I do think were a lot more together on things. They were working together. They were strategizing together. I do think that Derek was the better player in almost all aspects. Including the social game you know. Cody had crucial social connections, but Derek also had many social connections that helped cody. So but with that in mind, they they were so their games were so intertwined that seeing them separate seeing cody's in particular as the potentially lesser player You could see holes in his game that we weren't able to see before because Derek was there to fill them in. Do. You feel like that. The game that we saw in big brother sixteen where we had sort of like a big alliance, and then a smaller big alliance, and then inside of that was like the Russian tea dials of alliances in Big Brother Sixteen, do you think that cody is going to seek out to have some sort of like big giant alliance with all of his relationships again or do you think that? We'll look to see him really focusing on one person. you mean in terms of Otas? He just tried to find his one pair versus insulating himself. I. Mean I think cody as someone who could probably recognize that the more relationships and the the you know the better that you are with people? Yes, you may have this issue of wealth to cut them at the end. Are they going to be better because I have this close relationship with them but more people? You're good within the house. The safer you're GonNa be and so whether or not it's through individual relationships with. The Fellow House guests, or if depending on what the the actual alliance dynamics are I think cody is really. From what I understand from seeing plan sixteen, I would assume the really just going to focus on building those strong relationships, whether it be in large alliance or just with one on one march. How important was cody to the formation of the bomb squad? was was that the like the group of five basically drafted him, or was he part of the group that started as hey. We need to put these five guys together. I remember correctly. He was kind of on the outskirts. So that's the point. Where he said that when he first got into it, he was like I don't know about this and endure it kind of convinced them bill like. Let's just stick with these guys until. We, know what's going to happen so I think was on the outskirts of that and we've seen him play with a larger lion, so I would love to see him work his social connections and do what Taryn has been talking about for the past. How many weeks a good floater game like a good solid floater game would be lovely to see from him because he. He had the potential to do it to pull it off I think. Taryn, would you describe cody Onepointoh as a floater? Sure I mean you know certainly him and Derek were very very Danielle and Jason in that. They were a secret floating pair together and then they also kind of floated separately, but they were always comparing notes in working together. Not, a floater in the like individual Andy June sense, but definitely in these sort of like Danielle, or or you know Dan. Will you know those kinds of those kinds of players definitely more along those lines? How do you think that cody would play from the bottom in a season where we saw him mostly in power throughout all of big brother sixteen with the bomb squad I didn't and. Derek but what if he was on the wrong side of the numbers on in the house? How do you think he would handle that? That would be interesting. That's where I'm having the OH. What is the POLYCOM? Side does that come out if he's backed into a corner? Does he cry over perhaps a moth this time and not a butterfly unlike his brother, so so I don't know I would assume just based on his demeanor. He just seems so cool and calm. Of course you know like we said that's when he was in power I'm trying to think of like if there are any of the Times. I mean even when he was on the block that one. One week, but still like he was never really in danger, because Zach was insane and also needed to go home for a few weeks. There so I don't think we've ever really seen what he was like. When he was backed into a corner although I do have to imagine that just because he's shown incredibly calm, that had actually wouldn't be that bad I don't think we would have necessarily sort of explosiveness that we might see from some of his family members. More do you think that he is going to be consciously looking for be looking for a new Derek to somebody who sort of fits the Derek profile in this cast to sort of recreate that relationship. Was Smart, he would. Put out the perception that he was looking for the new Derek and Tell, everybody their. Derek. Danielle raise I author so I mean he should lean on that and use it. As a shield to make everybody trust him, but I don't think he needs it. I really think he wants to if he's GonNa. Come into the game with any baggage. I think he wants to show that he can stand on his own. Yeah turn. I feel like that's probably how he's looking at also, but I just wonder if that he might be very mistake prone trying to say hey, I'm the Derek now. The I could see that I could I think that. If, there's if there's any kind of historical element to his game I do think the idea that he can do it on his own. He doesn't need Derek to succeed could be something that trips him up. I don't expect him to look for a Derek. I don't think he'll find a derek in here. I would be great if he could link up with Tyler I. Think they could work well together, but highly probably already has people, so that's not gonNA, work out and I don't think he'll go for it. I think that he will try to play his own game and won't be. because. Here's the thing. Cody has a reputation for loyalty. He was loyal to Derrick. He's not very loyal to anyone else. And I think that's the cody. We're going to see this season Okay Leon. Could be some big brother sixteen connections here in this house, one of which. Is Nicole France all somebody who that he was lined with at different points in Big Brother Sixteen. Do you think that's a good relationship for cody? Hypothetically have in this house. I think in less Nicole is ostracized for some other reason than yeah I think it makes sense you're trying to build. As many relationships as possible and I think that in a different world like. Let's Derek hadn't been in big brother. Sixteen like who knows without relationship could have looked like. They could have persisted much longer because Derek was the one who freaked out that Nicole Amazon to me, so I have to get rid of her. Otherwise you know, I think that. Her Nicole and cody really could've worked together more if I recall correctly, I feel like that once upon a time in big brother Eighteen Paulie. Calif era played with Nicole and I remember I. think that Nicole had won the first H., O. H. and Paulie California was somebody who who volunteered to go up on the block. At that point and I think that it came out La-, afterwards were on the live feeds season that well cody had already been. He knew that he had he was safe with Nicole and that would be a solid relationship so I do think that there is a long standing relationship from that time between the. Family and Nicole, but do you have any reason to suspect that? Maybe their relationship have soured. Yeah, we told they taught that Derek and cody had a little bit of pre gaming on. Behalf so that surprise me I think going into games like this with any type of attorney season. It's better, the devil you know than the one you don't know so even if you walk in with somebody who may have screwed you before it might be better to put water on the bridge and trust them for this. Go Round and and. Try and work with them, so I can definitely see them. Possibly Lincoln up and and and forming something. It's not out of the box, yeah! I WanNa get to gossipy and Salacious, but we have some re- reason to believe that that you Derek. Had A tweet tweeted. Something out about how he's not happy with Nicole right now. Do you think that there could be some friction between cody and Nicole coming into BB sixteen, or if twenty two? Yes. I. It seems like at the very least that Nicole was probably a little bit messy in the pre game, and it probably had some kind of impact on Derek, and if it had an impact on Derek, and it probably had some impact on cody. And even if it didn't the fact that she's been pretty messing the pregame means, she's probably going to be. A target ostracized something heading into the season and I could very very easily see a situation where cody is like hands off like I'm not. I'm not connected to Nicole She didn't talk to me. You know she did the same thing to me or whatever it is like. I'm I'm with. You guys Nicole like she's screwed up. Yeah we'll cody as cody's connections. Coming into the game are actually really interesting, because it does I mean obviously, we don't know exactly who's in there, but he could have very few because of as far as I know, and maybe you guys know more, but cody Kinda dropped off the radar, the modeling thing for a while, but in terms of being part of. Of the reality TV community he kinda was not really a part of that, so he's not building those relationships, but that could be a good thing depending on how messy everything gets he just sort of look on loyal. I'm just trying to find my. Derek just someone tried to pick-me-up instead of being intertwined with all of the pre existing relationships, yeah. This is very interesting because I do feel like that. He does to have a little bit of a temper, not necessarily as much as his brother, but he does have an ax to grind potentially against Nicole, for whatever reason like I could see him definitely wanted to act on it early on. I don't know if he would like have an ax to grind or go after her, but I could definitely see like a disassociation. Or even if you wins the I h wage like. See Guys, I'm not within the coal like. To put her up if she's the house target. But, I don't know if you would actively gun for her thinking like because, because who else does she have? Seems like not many people. So I the thing I'd be worried about if I'm. Cody is potentially journal. That we we. Journal who has played with Dr Will and Dan. Who might be again sort of like very skeptical of this archetype? And might be thinking. I don't WanNa. Let this person. Stay here too long and have a chance to to build some interesting I. think that's yeah. That's really interesting I- donell going after cody, that would be pretty pretty pretty epic. I mean to get them out of the way so she can win all the vetoes I'm here for it. Yeah. Another big sixteen person that is potentially hypothetically in the mix is amber from Big Brother Sixteen Could you refresh my memory? Any notes on the relationship between cody and amber from Big Brother Sixteen. So. This is what I am really. Because if. Because I think if a Kayla wasn't in the picture, amber I think would have holiday. Cody, it personally so I just WANNA know. Are they both single? We I mean I've because I can see that I would love. Shing shaking your head, you don't know or tissue you're not. They're not single. Cody is not single I. Don't what is. He married, not sure. He's had he has a long term. Girlfriend I believe. ME, much? The Big Brother House Taryn. Boo. Yeah. We'll see, but that does have an impact on his social game, because flirting was such an essential part of it if I remember correctly part of the reason why he was also considering putting a beast mode, cowboy was because smoke cowboys, being all creepy pants towards amber and amber was like one. Can you get rid of him and also cody I? WanNa Mac on her, so if I get rid of these cowboy. Two birds with one stone Ileana. Do you feel like that? An amber coming back at I'm not sure kind of relationship. She would have with Nicole if she's hypothetically in the mix here I mean that that's almost like a pair. Right off the bat. Does she know? Your guess is good as mine. I mean talk about cody disappearing like amber. Really we hadn't heard anything from. Except for anything that one music video she did, but yeah so that could definitely be appearing. Then okay. Does Cody WanNa feel like okay. Is this person in my really gonna like latch onto her, or we need to try to not be so obvious of a pair of I. Think would be interesting hurdle for him to deal with okay. Terry any thoughts on the. In cody potential pairing from the cody perspective. I mean I think that. Cody would not. Refrain from aligning with amber if it was possibility if she's there. And and willing I think that it would be a good person to work with you know yes. They flirted a bit, but there was never anything really there any nothing too serious, so it's not like it's going to be awkward. and An and there's also not like a super concrete connection that people go. Oh, cody and amber. They're a dangerous deal. I think that that's not going to be too much of an issue, and and she can even play up like hey, he voted me out like. We're not that close all right well. Let's talk about some other hypothetical people that could be in house with cody in in in terms of allies. Does anybody have? Some people that really jump out as a probably a very probable connection for cody. I mean. We're talking about Dan and Derek Pre gaming than we have to throw Memphis into the picture with cody. Wow, it's like an arranged marriage Mari like. Hey okay well up. I'm not going to be there then. My friends should get together with your friend and then. Make that. Make that happen. And I really don't know what that. Would honestly look like because I mean. I don't know what this could bring cody's game. That would help him or fill his holes like. I I don't see that I. Don't know if Karen. What are your thoughts on that? I mean I think it's a dangerous pairing bore them. which is exactly why Derek? Dan would want it to happen? Would happen without us. Because if they if they get if they're in obvious pair, then they are invoking the names of Dan and Derek. And that will scare. People a lot, I think. So I don't think that they should be working closely together like that if they do. They need to be very secretive about it and quite honestly. You know. We talked about Dan Derek game, but like I i. don't know if Dan Derek we don't know if Dan. Derek would work together. They're in a season and I don't know if they would encourage their partners to work together, either they could be encouraging their partners to be like we are the better do. We need to make sure we outperform like I. I don't think this is like. A solid connection necessarily so it could be, it will be very interesting to see how they interact. They are saying now I. I love this Fan. Fiction have liked the rival duos going at one another and the pre gaming was actually to throw each other under the bus, and so then like when Memphis comes in the house. They're going to be going at each other. That be hilarious. I would love that. We'll do you see any potential pairs for cody? That might be a better fit in Memphis. I, know I mean looking at the rumored cast list. There didn't seem to be anybody that really jumped off the page for me I. think that you know cody is someone who can build relationships with a lot of different people, and so I think that you know depending on whoever is in the house like he really could just tried to be friends with everybody and kind of go go from there. You know he was yes, I mean I. I guess we can talk about like the moment he did have a temper, but like in the beginning, it's not like he was trying to wrangle relationships in order to build alliances, per se You know he was the one who was kind of just like letting things. Come to him, you know. Yes. There was the HITMAN alliance. It was made on day. Two and I can't remember like who proposed to in that relationship, but he. was able to collect these alliances, and I think that that's something that we could see happening big brother twenty two as well. Tear it I know you mentioned potentially. Do you see anybody else in this cast-list, hypothetically could be a problem for cody. I mean I do think tyler could also be a problem. I think that. especially if you are if you're somebody of Tyler's caliber of player and people talk about you. You know up there. You're probably going to be a little bit concerned about the other people that could theoretically be in that conversation or close to people in that conversation. I would be worried about. Cody if I'm tyler, because cody potentially has all like similar skill sets, but a much lower threat level like. Cody could easily come in and and be the tyler of the season with Tyler, being targeted for being too threatening, and that's that's not good for tyler. And so he could be concerned about that. He's also coming in as a potential free agent which depending on WHO's in WHO's out. Tyler may also be coming in as they ended up trying to play similar games, which could either force them together. Like a June allyson, or make them target each other like June, Allyson so. When we look at like alliance, construction of the types of games that people have played in the past when you talk about like okay well, the bomb squad was kind of like the Bros. in the house ended up putting together a group where that that tyler was part of level six, which was three men and three women, but tyler was like the least threatening of those. Three guys, probably in terms of like the. Although, he did win an early challenge I think that the other guys maybe might have been seen as more of like a physical competition threats early on. So how do you? How do you see cody alliance that he ends ends up making. Do you think that he would try to gather together? Men in the house or do you think that he would be part of something that would be? Combined with between the men and women of the House. I would hope that he would just kind of lean back and let the game come to him, been to actually build an alliance, but I could definitely see him. I can couldn't see it. As being like broke down with him I think he would really want to get a whole mix of people and I sorry going back to who I think could make an alliance with him. kind of Dave has a lot of connections in the house so if she starts to build an alliance and he gets it on that alliance. I think that'd be kind of good for him, but. I don't I don't think he should really. I think he should just kind of wait. Let the game come to him. Make those connections C. C. to house out and then go from there I. Really Want Him to do just like his. His past can be honest. And that's what he did. In the first game it was he. The alliance's came to him. And the the connections that he made most were were often more more women than men. He was not really a bro kind of player. He connected to Christine to Nicole. To amber and you know, he had problems with people like Caleb and Frankie. He connects sometimes Zach off and on at times. Even like Donnie, he was somebody that he connected with. He connected with those. You know the the not the Broadway types. So I would expect that if that's where he gravitates toward in his first season, we might see that again. This is a Liana. Witch of the women are most likely to fall under cody cal fiore spell in this season. And why will it be Christmas? Depends, how many legs does she break? How many how much morphine does she get when she's in the House Yeah, that's an interesting choice in terms of having Christmas back I don't know maybe. Maybe we'll be celebrating Hannukah. This year is the code. He'll stay away from Christmas. From Taranaki like that Enzo hypothetically is going to gravitate towards cody. I think so I mean ends is definitely a Broadway Kinda guy and I think that he would want to go down with the cody's of the world. So. I see him gravitating toward. Cody and I think that cody would get along with Enzo. Bites, but I think that cody has to be very careful about that sort of thing. I think everybody is going to be watching Enzo waiting for him to try to recreate brigade, which is probably what he's going to try to do. And I do not think that he will be able to successfully secretly. Make it happen, so cody does not want to get. Too involved in that. Yeah, you're more I think that the beauty of the cody game is I, like that almost no matter who is up on the block against like he's probably. Very rarely ever the person if the house wants to send home. Yeah I agree. To draft him first because if he can talk people into getting rid of Victoria. On the last round who? He should he should do fine I I wanna see him kind of with. N. as well I, WanNa see what that was Kinda be. That'd be interesting the, but I really think that he has a really good shot he if he works or social game like he did in his previous season I. Don't see what scenario can get him to leave. Unless! He is on the outskirts of a really big alliance, and I just don't see that happening. Tearing, it would be tough to see. Who's he up on the block against where the House sends him home. I mean I. I could see. Maybe him. Versus David if David is on the cast. People going after these like physical threats, and deciding that cody is more dangerous than than David is You know some something like that. I. Think Could Happen Again I I think if if he goes. It's probably on his reputation and it would probably be early. If he has a chance to really get in and set his social hooks into people. That's when he starts to seem less threatening. We ought to do you feel like that? There's going to be a high degree of success for cody coming into the season. Yeah absolutely I think because he's not remembered for being particularly strategic again. combine that with people really liking him. No one's GONNA. Vote him out I. Mean I think? There are some sort of pre existing relationships that he is not a part of could be a reason why he's. He goes early but I think if he can stick around for a couple of weeks. I guess a really great shot I mean he would have won big brother sixteen if. Not Potentially one different decision that was made along the way, and he is Yeah I. I think he's going to do quite how he could also. Play that to his advantage if he wanted to like no matter who he's making a deal with like the potentially go to the and you're like. Hold on, wait, y. you're going to go to the end with me like I. Took Derek to the final two I don't care. Like all right well, you make a point. You know. So. I don't think you have to be necessarily worried that he's GonNa? Necessarily cut you so yeah. I think he's probably in a really good spot coming into this season. Tarit, any reason for concern for the cody stance. I mean. All of this crazy last minute shuffling. How long did people have their phones in sequester? It seems like that could hurt him. I do think it could hurt him. Because I think that you know. His name wasn't out there at all. Until people went into sequester I, think that was on purpose, and then if you want. His name got out because people went into sequester, then people were able to find out. Maybe organize some kind of counter plant. WHO KNOWS That could be bad. Also just like the shifting of the people on the cast, if he was doing pre gaming and was prepared for certain cast layout, he ends up going into the house, and half the cast is different. That could that could really interfere in in some bad ways. As, we said many times through this podcast. This cast is very much in a state of flux. No doubt that we've talked about people potentially. Either in this game or in? Game that may or may not be even in the season so. We are very much flying as well, but we expect the unexpected. Big Brother after all. Okay all right any final thoughts on cody. No I think we didn't really get jobs summing up his game and I think you know social pretty nonthreatening, and at least the reputation that he's loyal and I think he's GonNa. Do a good job. Tarit how about you any other thoughts for cody? I am also optimistic about his chances. I think he's definitely somebody to watch out for on the season. Very curious to see how he plays without their, or will you plan your flag that cody will be the winner of Big Brother all stars. No because I would love some other people to win, but I definitely see him going I. my parents said he's either going to go out early or he's GonNa. Make It really far. Share your pick for who you think will win well I. Loved. Avon Rogers I I have to go for her. But. Is that a head picker. A hard pick is a heart. Pick all the way I. Wonder The head pick. I'm the head. You know what the head pick would probably be coding because I I don't see him. He's not right now. A big fish in a small pond yet, but like Karen said depending on who gets taken away from the cast. Maybe his target gets bigger just because of WHO's WHO's there. but I think he has a really high chances making it, so maybe he is the head day turn. Did Cody really bent out of shape about the Zing bought? My remembering that wrong, or is that if he was, he was Christine's, zing yeah, was that what it was I think? About Christine okay. and. He was mad about that. I think I think he was probably like upset for Christine. In like he was definitely okay I remember now. He was where he was definitely worried. especially, because then Christine went out and they heard the boos. He's getting very worried about like. Oh, how am I being portrayed in this whole situation? But but yeah I think. He was like took offence to things to to easily in that in that sense like I, said he did often get riled up especially about things like Caleb. A book. But apart from that I I don't think so. I just remember it being a mean bb sixteen that he was always GonNa go like I'm going to go and confront this person. Like? He would talk a lot about that. He would be. Over there and I hold me back. I'm going out there. And and Derek could be like no, no, no, no, WE GOTTA! We gotTA chill. We gotta we don't do that. and He'd be like I'm GONNA. I'M GONNA. Go do it. No No. I don't know it always felt to me though that it was kind like. Hold me back, guys home back. He wasn't actually going to do it necessarily, but but now we see him. POLLY's who knows. I also like a large part of that like me minus was that people wanted to see drama that season. They were like. Give us something. It's been so tease us, and so instead. They were like so frustrated with cody. He kept threatening to do something entertaining, and then didn't. Fake fight to at one point and before like. Is this really this? Really. More visit cody that was scared of the mouse was cowboy, the cody the mouse? It was cody. Win Win. Thank. You did a good job of selling that. There is a road in the house, and Tony would be on the chair. Hop the. Larry I love that. Sorry hot take I love that season and. I know a lot of people go I. Know I know Jenner. Or should go back and rewatch BBC sixteen this week. No I just watched the last episode just to. A hammer out the jury questioning I wanted to see the jury questioning again with it I remember it was pretty good. That's like one of the season's. That really imprinted on me. As I was watching it and I I really felt or going on, and how did How did cody do with the jury questioning? He actually did pretty good, but he didn't bring up his comments. He really he should've. Kinda hammered that home in how he was the one who did the dirty work. At the end he he got those compliments. He got them to the end, and he didn't hammer that out. He was so busy being on the defensive about being the puppet. Okay all right. Well. This was so great ticket to catch up with you to talk about cody or A. Where can people follow you? Okay? I'm on twitter at Mari talks too much. A two and the number two I'll be there with everybody I. My tweet. So. I mean there. That's what I'm Pat. Well, Mark Thank you so much for coming on with us. Of course, Liana is has a a a recently changed twitter. Let's Liana are hp we ought to do. You have some big brother news about your podcasting that you wanNA break. I do I? I was under the impression that the the the BNB was going to be continuing on into big brother season. Yes. Yes, thank you for reminding me. There's so much going on Yeah, so Mike and I are going to be doing the RHA PBN be a four big brother, and we're actually going to be doing it every week. Super excited about that. We're going to be having guests playing games and all of the shenanigans throughout the entire big brother twenty two season, so look out for that I think it's GonNa. Be a ton of silliness and a ton of fun. Okay, and how's the drag race going? The BBC. Yes, the ouray! And, then we have the RHA PB BBB. NCA, which is our breaking news segment that we do over our BNB so quite the mouthful stars yes, so drag races also going on just wrapped up all stars five. We're going to be continuing with Canada's drag race, which has been a ton of fun and then the JP Day fiance coverage is going to be starting soon, and so I was on the very first podcast with we as advocate. WHO's going to be hosting match to talk about all of the ninety day fiance nonsense. In anticipation I, actually did watch the first episode of before. Is it before the ninety days? The? WHAT'S THE ONE WITH BIG AD? That is before the ninety days. I don't really understand what the differences between that and regular ninety day fiance because it seemed exactly the same, but I with I loved it. So before the ninety days is when they don't actually have the K one visa yet to come to the United States, so the US person is just going to visit the forest. Okay and it's it's even more dramatic and more insane because they're not legitimate couples yet. I loved it. I loved it, so they were all. They were even crazier than the regular ninety day. Fiance people so I watched before the ninety days season one I before I ever saw regular ninety day, and that's the seas. That's got me hooked. Before ninety days and big Ed especially is quite Gary did big ED is Great. I may maybe as punishment the season people should put mayonnaise in their hair. That should have to be one of the. Every time the bell rings to go? Put mayonnaise in their heralds. BE LIKE BIG AD. Taryn I know. That, this is serious stuff. We gotta talk about Big Brother. Taryn where where can people keep up with what you're doing? You can find me on twitter at Armstrong. Turner twitch twitch. Dot TV slash Taryn Armstrong of course have live updates every day that the feeds her on whenever that happened, it turns. News on in terms of like when we should anticipate, the feeds starting up. Now. We know nothing. We're making. We don't even know who the cast is. Yeah. The scheduled to is that there's a there's a show on Wednesday. Scheduled for Thursday and then Sunday at ten, it says it's a rerun, but it's only an hour when when Wednesday was two hours, and so that means we're getting moving and then a week later. We're getting another. NFL. I think could be just a replay because that with toughest nails which I've been covering with. Mike Bloom and Jessica lease I've had been replaying tough as nails a lot on Sunday fame episode so I do think that it's probably a replay on Sunday where they're probably like they have the first episode, and then I could totally see them like rearing the first episode to get people excited for when the next episode is going to be but yeah. which is strange because the first episode is a two hour premiere, and the rerun is one hour. But but then so yeah, so then what does that mean for the feeds? If there's no big brother F., no new big brother episode all week. Is that mean that we're just getting the move in? And then they're doing that normal sort of like. They're in the house with feeds for a week, and then we get the season started proper I'm praying for a night one with like. I decided we would forgive all of this if they. Mariana typical season though they moved in like a week before the first episode so I. Don't know if they if they're going to potentially have some sort of like like highlight package on August fifth of like. Hey, here, who the here's who the all stars are. Here's a little bit about them clips from their past season. Then they move in, and then whether we have life feeds are it may be a week of like cutting stuff together to give us that first episode of like how that I? H plays. I mean expect the unexpected We'll see. We'll see exactly how it goes, but we'll keep our fingers crossed will give you more updates as as they come. Of course, we'll be back with more hypothetical previews of the different players that we may or may not be seeing on this season. We can't promise you. We're not gonNA. Put out a podcast with somebody that doesn't even make the show, or you might see somebody who didn't. Didn't even preview because we didn't know that they were going to be there, but that's what we're doing. Please don't add us unless it's like. 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Survivor 39 Premiere Feedback with Taran Armstrong

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Survivor 39 Premiere Feedback with Taran Armstrong

"Germany comedy live from my apartment. It's rob has a podcast and now here's the guy who does not believe in podcasting casting commando. I am robs everybody and welcome back to talk about the survivor thirty nine island of of the idols premier and we have a great treat for you because I have here with me in the studio the man who has been camping out here just like we're like Robin Sandra up here right now that we are your guides to take you through everything there is to know you know him from all of our big brother coverage of covering ninety nine days of the big brother season as in he and I were out at the big brother finale on Wednesday night but he is a survivor expert as well and here to talk about the season thirty nine premier with me Mr Karen Armstrong Karen Hauer you rob. I gotta I gotTa proposal for you your yes. You've Boston Taryn Erin Boston Taryn yeah you know I like my yogurt. Yes I I have a challenge. Can You beat me at a yogurt eating contest aw I mean I I think I can rookie rookie mistake. The terrible decision headed person on us. You need to be chastised this rob this. This is entrapment. You ask you offered me this challenge and then I did what you said Rob and now this is survivor. Get used to it. Okay Alright Alright Taryn how you hold up today. I'm doing great. We're both incredibly sleep deprived so I wish people could see the scene right. Now is like stumbling through this process right. I mean Taryn does not believe in a use of of any substances. I heavily caffeinated here after a late night at the Big Brother House I ended up watching on the exit interview. That's what I ended up watching this episode about four o'clock in the morning held my attention I fall asleep. Yes it this morning and so really excited to get to talk about that. This was a really fun premiere of the show and a lot of stuff that I wanNA talk through in terms of what worked what didn't work so great what we're excited about and so that's what we're going to do here. In this this podcast of course the big brother fans know that Taryn I have over two and a half hours of big brother interview for you to check out from the backyard addition to our big brother recap. Let's switching gears to survivors to set up the week here so last night. Stephen Fish Back Dominic got together for the know it alls. I had an exit interview. I wasn't sure vote getting the exit interviews season if they were going to be back but I'm very excited that they are i. I spoke with Ronnie Barda this morning and he was very fun to talk to. I think that I was very surprised that I was very Happily not spoilt also. I was not spoiled when I watched the show at four o'clock this morning. Did you make it through the being watching the show so delay not getting spoiled yeah. I wasn't spoiled at all. The only thing that I was really curious about was favorite survivor was yes I. I don't know okay all right. I've he needs to answer the question of whether he said pre-nup apparently Rani Rani Bharata says I met him at Berlin up Reno and says that maybe that I may have have not been in a state of mind that I remember that conversation so if you remember clearly I'll give him the benefit of the doubt so exit interview is up as well and then we also have daily tomorrow very excited to catch up with rim hear what she has to say about everything that's going on and then we'll have one more so so ever podcast and we are marrying the wiggle room with this week in survivor history so that's GonNa be coming up on Monday. where I'm going to have the the wiggle room in the wand off with Josh Wig layer and then we're going to check in with Jordan? Kayla and we're GONNA play this week in survivor history. Sorry that's all going to be the podcast coming out Monday nights. That's the schedule for the week this week Taryn so very excited to get into everything thing of course make sure you subscribe to the Pike as Number Eight on the itunes TV and film charts appreciate you guys subscribing at this point in in time and telling your survivor fan friends and subscribe to the podcast at rob has a website dot com slash itunes or just our survivor coverage including the stuff on the era HAP- upset Rob's website comes survivor podcast not to mention also a great time to jump in as a patron of Robin's podcast probably five five six survivor podcast a week coming your way and brand new pop sockets for new patrons coming in for the next two weeks. I'll talk a little bit more about that later right parent survivor thirty nine. It's here yeah I just I just hope you don't complain to Reema Being Sleep deprived Felix. You'll help none of it dude. You know it is like when I was on the edge yeah I I miss misery. I'm very very excited to hear what she has to say but this was a really fun I episode I really I really did enjoy the there was some interesting wrinkles here. We'll we'll talk. Come out. Ronnie and we'll talk about the tribal council. I guess let's just talk through the island of the idols and other there had been a lot of talk about it but we got to see it in practice terron. What'd you island of the idols? You know there's been a lot of criticism about this concept leading up to the season. I wasn't wasn't as down in it. I think as a lot of people were I enjoy Boston Rob. I'm the crazy person that liked redemption island spy. You know I am a smart guy. I recognize the greatness and Sandra's of a really entertaining character as well and so I you know seeing being them together I think I think there's fun to be had there. I I come from big brother. There was a season where coaches right now. This is perfect timing coming that we have you here and of course big breath foreseeing Steven mentioned it on the know it all but one of your heroes Dan Ghee Slang was somebody who came into the game. He actually tweeted at me this morning so Robin Sandra are they cut. Are they coming in this game. Where's their reset button? Where's where's their reset button but Taryn as much Mike Bloom sworn the preseason they told him up front I win him and Josh went to Fiji of course both of them have outstanding coverage up as well about their first three day? We'll get into it more with Josh in the wiggle room coming up on Monday but Mike Blum said they swore to him and we even Sauve these survivor oath yes the oath. The oath of the pledge was annot the oath pledge. Yes the oath of of survivor and idols Zeo. The oath of the island of idols said that we are not your we are not your competitors competitors. Yes we cannot win a million dollars. I hope that doesn't extend for future seasons. Yes yes now should be our job to look at all of the loopholes in that like France in the fine print there on the survivor oath. I absolutely right you'd be you'd be dumb. I'm not too that'd be a rookie mistake rob. I showed you the Oh you didn't read the fine print. That was a rookie mistake. Well what happens when Jeff Jeff probst says actually this season. It's nine hundred ninety nine thousand dollars is the grand prize. Oh No. You didn't learn to read the growth but now you learned a lesson this this. This is your last. This is the lesson the players and for the viewers redefine print stake. Don't read the fine print so that's the look. I thought this was very fun. Do you have a Robin Sandra in the mix. I know there was a lot of fans of the former survivors. Were not really in love with this idea. The giant heads ads. I think were a turn off for some people but it's mistake. It's mistake to be turned off because it's amazing you. You love the giant head guy. You know what go go. I'll go hog wild dominic. last in the in the survivor note also was talking about whacky big brother is let's get it. Let's get us on even playing field so I don't have to feel so bad about my my show. Yes you don't like it when the survivor's coming on their high horse survivors a serious show you add like Mike farting seagulls and you see the giant heads and you say well. Maybe honestly I I feel the exact same way. I have giant paper. Machine heads shouldn't resto I just I just think that if I if I have to suffer a wacky show then everybody should have to suffer a package. I'm queuing up the survivor oath in the issue we have a podcast author. Let's just listen to the the oath and how and how it works works first things first of the idols we are the survivor Rydalch when not competing we do not vote within not win. The million dollar prize is our job is to pin tore you in the game of survivor and then offer you a chance to test what you've learned. Everything that happens here is intended to make you a better survivor plan. You can think of this place as a survivor bootcamp. Okay there you go hold on listening to this again. I feel like I've I've heard this. I'm pretty sure this is the same oath that rob gave the players of redemption island. I'm pretty sure this is this is this is again going to be one big big tests. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he said to them. Look I'm here to mentor you yeah when I first heard that they were gonNA. have survivor season where Boston rob was going to you know tell the players what to do all these ya I said what are they gonNa Rerun Redemption Island but this is fun. I think I think that the Robin Zander there. I I really did enjoy this. I looked at the thing that really hit was Robin Sandra at tribal I will counsel the in the secret spy shack mystery science theater thousand yeah and this this was mentioned on the dolls but also Josh wigger talked to Jeff probst and the revealed that Jimmy Fallon came came up with this idea ironically Jimmy Fallon would be the worst person to be in the spy shack bunker in the in the fallon bunker conquer because he always breaks and can't stop laughing and you would easily be able to tell if Jimmy Fallon was watching you from Afar Jeff Jeff is do I hear giggling yeah somebody. Somebody can't stop laughing. Jimmy Fallon behind there you got me. You Got Xiaomi so Tara do you do. They have a clear view or a robin watching a monitor it. They didn't seem like they were like like peering through like people late I I wonder if they have a monitor. It looked like they were in a closet so pretty sure sure it had to have been some sort of monitor and they weren't like whispering super low even yeah I. I'm picturing them. I'm like a good like two hundred feet away in a tiny little shed that can barely fit the both both of them and there's a little gopro in there to capture. I think we need to see if like Robin Sandra. Maybe like a one way mirror. Is it like some sort of like the police lineup where that they can just see straight in but they the contestants can't see them back. I don't know you know they. They let rob and cinder start building their shelter shelter a couple of days early right so may maybe maybe this was they were hey rob you. We want you to be able to watch tribal council but you you're going to have to build a some sort of device or shack that will allow this to happen so Robin Sandra. They are at the trouble councils. Do they need to be at the tribal council so that it was fun to see them there but in terms of what they're doing if they're they're just teaching people different things about the game. How important is it that they then see how the game on faults is the thing I think that they you might not need to be there all the time but I can see where this could get really fun especially if they are if they have like you know taught their protege odors Jay and now they're in trouble? They're trying to do it and they're like Oh. They're screwing up or something along those lines or other doing really well. Just have somebody having somebody there to react to you. What's happening in tribal is always fun? We're seeing that a lot more with when the jury is finally starts to get involved but to see Robin Zander. They're actually being able to comment on it can be fun but only when it's good right so we don't need to always be cutting to Robin Sandra if there's nothing good to show their. That's what that'd be concerned about but if there's good fun reaction shots from them like I'm into it. That's an interesting observation. It's something that came up with the really big jury jury on the edge of extinction where we end up where I I think that some of like the like a historic survivor moments like Eric with the immunity necklace cliffs end up playing bigger because not that that that could be bigger by that you have the reaction shots from all the different jurors and it's a a little bit like the Sitcom that has a laugh track so that when you are at like as humans like when we're seeing the reaction of the people that are that are the audience audience for that that that that also heightens what we're seeing and feeling about that so having Robin Sandra as a defect Oh jury in the pre jury phase of the game. I think that does heighten all these tribal councils that we're going to have yeah. It's I think it could be fun you know with with extinction. I did feel like the jury was sometimes overused their reactions and sometimes they were like it was like all right. You're going crazy every single single episode. It's not special anymore but Robin. Sandra seem a lot more low key. It seems like they're going to be reacting to ham it up exactly in every episode a and you know who who knows where where this goes yeah I I love the idea of you know live commentary on tribal gameplay. That'd be interesting yeah okay so we saw in this episode. We're talking if we're talking to this through Elizabeth ended up going to the island of the idols and she I was surprised she seemed to know a lot about Boston. Robin Sandra in in terms of she immediately knew their names their names and knew a lot about them is very very hyped up to me. I I mean I. I don't know how well known Robin Zander you are. This somebody who is super new to survive. I mean rob hasn't played in sixteen eighteen seasons before this that Elizabeth as an Olympic Olympic athlete I I didn't know she was a head this much of a survivor knowledge base base that if I was gonNA guess out of the cast I think that would be one of the people that might have the least amount of survivor knowledge coming in yeah I mean I think they did cast a season season of fans for the most part if I if I'm remembering correctly vast majority of them are pretty big fans of the show so I expect that perhaps perhaps one of the reasons that that is the case is so that they would recognize an end appreciate Rob Sandra. I also think that I don't know I guess I I guess I guess they also know. They probably wouldn't have they. There's not gonNA they're not gonNA let somebody walk in and be like who are these guys so maybe at Ponderosa. They might have been yeah showing some Robin Yeah they they made sure that these people knew who they were heros vs villains yeah because Elizabeth says in her pre-game aim bio that Kara is the player that she's most which is somebody who is from a very recent season Elizabeth was somebody who I did not get a good feel for in the preseason I I really liked turn in this episode. I thought she was a fun character very full of energy yeah or full of energy and she really has this harrowing growing experience on the island of the idols where she is put to the test by Boston. Rob Of Kimchi make a fire making making Could you make fire faster than Boston Rahm Yeah and look I. I can tell you firsthand Boston Robinson intimidating guy you. Don't you had a run in with him. Yeah you don't WanNa you don't want to displease him. You feel like like no. Don't don't be disappointed in me in Boston. Don't do it and it's like man 'cause when she fails the desk. He's so hard on what W. thinking. You could never beat me. I mean that's how I view. My survivor. Experience Right. Now is my tests and rob. Knows is a small thinking. This is your lesson I've tape. I've taken that lesson with me into life. Exactly I never get complacent now. Yeah now now you podcast about survivor instead of playing you leave on leave. You belong talk about survivor playing it. That's your lesson. They don't forget it playing your own game. Play your own game so so I like this that is it fair Air Rob said in the episode that he thought that you know like any rookie survivor player. Elizabeth took the first offer that was given to her. Should she know that everything is negotiable on survivor. Yeah I thought of zero chance I would have thought Oh let me negotiate with this. I'm learning all of the rules and now now all of a sudden like I feel like I am. I am the asshole. If I negotiate she right like I'm I'm the one I'm I'm being difficult with production like Yay production. That'd be like finding an idol that has specific rules and being like hey though a can i. Maybe I use this past the final five. What do you think that being said negotiations have been apart of survivor most notably though interactions with Jeff probst we we've seen often rewards and Jeff's like all right? Pick two people go. Oh can I pick three. Can I take three like that's a negotiation everything Angelina and the and the rice and you a you know even going back to you know hey we want more rice withdrew Christie okay. Here's here's what we're going to offer. You know this is the low that's a low ball offer so there there are negotiations in terms of dealing with Jeff on survivor I but I my brain would not go to hey. This is the offer from Robin Robin Sandra on the island of the idols. Let me see if I can haggle with them yeah. I think that they have open themselves up to a big headache in future seasons every single time you have to every single time you read any advantage thing or you get any sort of offer you always. You're always going to have to be like how you got anything better. let me say though as much as I liked it I I much prefer the hosted version of of Ghost island. I enjoy having Robin Sandra on the show. I did feel like the fire making yes. I don't think that people learning how to make well. I I don't think people making a fire unless like elimination is on the line super exciting and I don't think people practicing making fire is really great TV. This was a bigness. This is the the the bad point of the episode agree. Yeah there was a literal montage where they were doing dissolve cuts about about like and so now she's doing this and it was like this big everybody does on the show like all the time and we're seeing this. This is an inspirational montage of learning like a training session and it's there was no there was nothing compelling about this. It was just yeah yeah not into it. I thought that this was the most boring part of the episode where Elizabeth is learning how to make fire and then ultimately she's GonNa go go up against the rob but the whole rest of the episode both of the tribes I thought the cast was really great and I love seeing everything the thing that was going on and it was so exciting and I felt like that. This was too much time on this. Here's what I if they have to do. Something concrete like building a fire like teaching somebody to build a fire then do that offscreen be like okay now. She's going to go off with Sandra to learn how to build a fire. Then we cut away to the what's happening on the tribe then we come back all right. She's been taught by Sandra it's time to put it to the test I just take out that one montage and that that is I think helps solve a lot of it because when when Robin Sandra are talking to her and and negotiating and all of that stuff that was that was still pretty interesting and hopefully now that we've got the first one out of the way we can be a little more succinct in in the future you know segments but I think there's stuff to be improved approved on here and to me there was not really a big surprise I guess in talking with Josh and then hearing Josh's interview view with Jeff Probst so the example that Jeff gave of like what the test might be was exactly what the first episode was and down to and then if they lose to Boston Rob than the tests might've been well that was foolish for you to even then go up against me for you to go up against rob and so but that was like the exact scenario that jeff outlined so it won't coming into this completely legally blind to it. Maybe you is more of a surprise but I mean that was already planted in my brain. That was probably what was going to happen. If somebody went into a fire making challenge against Boston Rob Yeah I I really. I'm not sure what they're gonNA do not know what they do next so I don't know what another thing you like it. Could they take them to go spearfishing but that's not a critical part of the game yeah like on the fire are making so I I don't know necessarily what what are the other things. They could be doing weirdly. This also relates to Dan kissling again because there was a time I am on big brother Canada where fishing the hey they brought him into a spearfishing segment and he went into the House with the final two one s in the final five and four actually and he just spent the night there and that was really interesting because is Dan gasoline is the best big brother player who's played the game and so to see him come into a game and after the time to you know Dr Wills Fantastic love love chatting with him but facts are facts but he dan was in the house and he he got the chance to talk doc with the players and he would quiz them and interrogate them about their position in the game and ask them questions and get them thinking about things that they hadn't really thought of before and that was really compelling to watch because it really mattered in the context of of what was happening and so I'm wondering if we might get a little bit of that in future episodes wants social dynamics start to form and people come in genuinely asking for like advice about I've got this person here. I've got this person here like I don't know where to go and and getting right prompting questions from somebody like Boston rob what they should be doing in the game. Didn't Dan also do something with the King on the chessboard for 'em it of like he put like read something like on the on the on the Chessboard Yeah we'll tag chestnut checkers. Dan recognized that there was one player in the game that it was just had a complete hold on everything and you know maybe a little bit controversial elites probably the reason why that person losing control because Dan's questioning turning and getting people to think about things but but it was really interesting into that I that's what I would like to see. That's a good point so we're coming off of. Some recent seasons like just let's go back to ghost island. Win Was this season has taken the the as borrowed from the Ghost Island dynamic but we had scenarios where Dominic and Wendell had a real stranglehold on things going down to the end of the game but if certain players could have gotten their act together you know if if Laurel and Don Athene were we're on the same page about wanting to flip at the same time with certain other players like Sebastian and like with Angela if they all could have been on the same page. Do you feel like that with a Robin Sandra in the mix. Is that better or worse. If sort of in inorganic force is aligning being people to take out the power players in the game. I don't mind it as something that is introduced at the beginning of the game. Everyone knows that Robin Sandra are in play they will be giving advice and that you're you're going to have to work around them and maybe in some cases when you go to Robyn Sandra try and play into it and try I to play them and give them an impression of yourself. not necessarily that they would advise somebody not to trust you based on information. They got from that player but if you give them a perception option that you are a an easy going loyal player. That's just going to ride down to the end. That's probably going to influence how they perceive you and then how they give advice based on other players surrounding you. I think that that being a component of the game that you know is there could be really interesting could be really interesting but I'm sort of of two minds of it. I you know Dominic. They can Wendell man. How do they use Boston rob to be able to get advice because I'm sure that something that Boston rob would know particularly well all is hey? It's redemption island survivor all stars. I mean the power position people are trying to undercut me and how to how how do I play these people against each other. I'm sure rob actually would have some really sound advice about that considering that sort of how he plays the game on the other other hand. I do feel like that. Is there any conflict of interest. It's almost like that. I'm going through a divorce and my wife and I have the same lawyer Yeah Yeah. That's probably what I'm saying is divorced. Not spy would fifty four percent of listeners thinking the centers ends us but boy. I don't know if that's the quite the same analogy but you have people I mean is not necessarily certainly like a mediator he somebody who's giving advice to both sides of a war. Probably what I'm saying is a little bit blasphemous dismiss for like really our core survivor purists. I am a big brother purist and I hate twists that are added to the game that screw the game up and so I can understand that viewpoint hundred percent or me. Big Brother is once a year it takes place over the course of three months and if you screw it up it's really going to it's going to ruin the entire a year and it's GonNa ruin the entire summer. I've used survivor as a format that you can experiment with a little more. I don't mind the experiments as much as some survivor players. I didn't mind that they experimented with extinction island. I would love to see a comeback. I didn't think it would work out but I don't mind them rolling with certain ideas at certain times and so ah this May or may not be fair it may or may not be interesting or compelling but we're talking about a completely hypothetical situation at this point and may not not even bees anything like this but but I'm interested in how that impacts the game and and the ramifications that might have if it works out well okay one of the things from the episode was Elizabeth comes back from the island of the idols and she has lost her vote and and she has to come back and she's going to end up telling her tribe a story yet out where she was Michael. Butler arrear junior has a question and it's something that I was thinking as well was Elizabeth Not Allowed to talk about Robin Sandra. That seems seems like the only thing that would explain why she didn't Taryn. Can you think of any other reason that would make sense that she didn't just tell the tribe about the island of the Isles. Here's what happened. Yes she went with her gut when deciding whether or not to challenge challenge rob and then he berated her for making the wrong choice and said you gotta go with your gut and so she was all discombobulated and and she said that this is normally not who she is but she feels like she has to step outside of herself because she she is feeling like she just made the really wrong decision and now if if she wants to do well at survivor she has to figure out. How do I not be me because me just messed that up and so she's well I I mean it's Boston Rob Rob? He lied a lot I do maybe I gotta Lie. I gotta I gotta come up with something. I think I think psychologically that's where it came from. So you think that the players it will be allowed to tell I I mean the way that she described it was like I made this choice to to lie that's that's what I got from it. At least I don't see any reason why she wouldn't be able to describe what happened because it seems like there's no inherent advantage about knowing what the island under the idols yeah. Is that yeah it's the thing you go to and then Robin Sandra give you a test. It's not even seemingly like you could gain at least at this point in time a way A to get back there of that like in the early days of exile island. If it's like oh the the sugar shack it's I oh my God. It's terrible. It's horrible there but then actually actually you know there's some hammock and this fruit there and you're sort of incentivize to talk about how bad it might be on exile island. I mean she was only there for an afternoon. It does not seem like it. Is You know physically taxing to go there and yes you. You had the opportunity to have an advantage gain knowledge but again. It's not like that the other tribe center there. She just randomly had her name drawn out of the hat. I don't know if it was a bag but I don't know why she wouldn't just say yeah guys island of the idols. It's not what we thought it was yeah yeah my my favorite part was rob at the end of it being like Oh. This is one more thing yeah you get to pick you who from the other side Yeah but you don't get to see like this and then there's a Oh go I get to pick yeah. Choose one random random name from his bag on you don't get to she's not choosing anything yet. They're literally just using her hand to choose she has nothing to do with it. Well this work in the next episode. We'll jeff say all right. Elizabeth was on the island of the idols. She picked the name out of the back. We're going to open it now in front of everybody everybody. Maybe you know pull it out or maybe they'll send them off and be like actually Dan old up yeah. I'm over here yeah. You're going to Ireland vitals so all right. That's most of the island the you're also right which didn't address like. There's no reason for her not to tell them. The truth. Here is like lying about this makes no sense. I I retract that my my thought process was if she tells the truth. There's a lot of details there they could. Maybe think that something weird is going on. It's it's it's easiest to just get through the first vote and not have to have people be too suspicious but you need to. She needs to come clean very soon and she needs to like. There's people are going to find out this Robin. Sandra have massive statues of their faces their their air people are going to know about this. They're gonNA know that you lied and that's not going to be a good reputation to have. It's not even like we got a confessional from her where she's like. I could tell them the truth but nobody would believe me. It's like if you were obstructed by aliens last night Taryn and then you K- you rob you. Won't I believe what happened. I was abducted by aliens. I all right I duNno Terron yeah but if she comes out and says Hey island that the idols actually that there are former survivor players they're and they're giving advice like are people going to say you no. It's it's too ridiculous. Ally like nobody would ever think that was alive because it's so specific and so ridiculous yeah I didn't they'd say oh that's okay who's GonNa be mad. They so if they're going to introduce that you can't tell at least now now that is Robin Sandra that are out there then it should be like one of these things that they have on big brother. Where hey you have this power our for two weeks but you can't tell the house about it or you'll lose what the penalty would be for her but then she lose two votes to use your vote the rest of the season if you tell what's what the what the island of the Isles that you but make sure you negotiate although in big brother I I think that they can police a lot more about what you're saying to other people where there's a Lotta Times on survivor when you're not on camera yeah so it would be much easier to be be able to get somebody alone and say hey let me tell you what the hell's yeah yeah? That's that's true and I it's I I'm not I'm not the biggest fan of like you're not allowed out to to tell because it does it usually comes off as a bit contrived and yeah I think it's best to leave it up to their own devices and what what she did here was an interesting choice and you know. Sometimes somebody like her. She's very enthusiastic. She seems like a very genuine person. She might people to get away with it. She might just I was so nervous. I didn't WANNA say but but overall. I I feel like it's if you don't have to lie don't lie okay or to talk about the saga of Ronnie and in particular his dealings with Elaine in the what was your or a read on a lane so far she was great. I loved it. was you know she immediately stood out it to me as a character that I felt like we were going to be either. This was her episode and they like just really honed in on Atlanta but it didn't really feel that way for another season tonight but it didn't really feel that way. It felt like we were that this was this is going to be more of a story line there at the season that she is She's a very compelling in character. She's got a Lotta quirks. She's very funny. They talk. I mean they right off the bat. They introduced her is like she such a massive threat. She's going to win this whole game. I mean she's she's. She's a factory worker. She saw she's got everybody. laughing all the I would vote for. It looks like a winner to me looks like a winner to me already. Johnny said so Taryn. I want to sort of get like galaxy brain on this and really get into sort of like next level thinking on this yes so we see all the time in survivor in big brother contestants that are either wealthy or you know have jobs that people were gonNA think are people that are well paid or might have some sort of a negative connotation lawyers people who are doctors lying about their occupation. Do you think that a person like Elaine who comes into the game. This is my theory and I WANNA test. It's the sound should elaine come into the game and they say Elaine. What do you do for a living and Elaine says I'm the CEO CEO of a mortgage company so that she doesn't come off as too much of an underdog? Elaine Elaine comes in and yeah I I I've inherited a large estate. I have I work. I work at the IRS press you feel like she's going to pull it off. I don't know but I think what if she did what she did like the reverse of of instead of saying that you are somebody you know. You're somebody who's wealthier you're. You're a football professional football player but you're saying that you're a teacher or whatever a lane comes in tells people that she is very wealthy. It's she is is so as like some high profile job. That's what she does. She runs. She doesn't work at the factory. She owns the factory. Yeah I think her family family for years yeah I think it has to be more like an eccentric wealthy independently wealthy person like she inherited her wealth but she's still like a working class kind of person and so because that way she can maintain just being herself and being a genuine person which I think is important especially for her. I think that's like a huge part of her arm. Business Self starter is something a lot like as long as as long as smart as long as it stays true to who she is is at the core. I think it could work and I and I and I think even beyond just like the first vote I think when when it really matters is toward the end of the game when nine people start looking at WHO's to likable to to take to the end that's when it can really pay off and maybe it's around that time or maybe in the now Kaluga Tori this is my sob story final two pitcher final three pitch and she could say exactly then she says although at that point people might be like are you line and to know that that's when she comes out and says that you know you guys you know how I told you that you know I run Ron or own own a large corporate funded. I feel like at that point. It comes off as begging thing for money like Oh. I need the money. Actually it turns out yeah so you should give it's basically the richest Iraq's where Hey oh. You thought I was rich. I'm actually I actually live L. Russell hance was doing handed. I'm a multimillionaire Royal Oil tycoon rob I think you has he had it down you years and years later now finally coming around Gal. We got to vote him out. He's got too much money you know if you need to merge a reveal that you're now I think she's a likeable person person wealthier not and so if that does anything to help her get to the end and then maybe again if she can pull it off I think all but has the sort sort of like you know she's she's had hardships and if they're questioning her in the final three about like why why should we give you the money if you already have so much money then she says actually it it was part of my strategy to say money so that I wouldn't be too unable to take the final three. I think something like that could work but but I think I think for for ninety the ninety eight percent of people this is not gonna you need to be able to be yourself and lying about yourself too. Much is is a very risky play but for the the two percent that can pull it off and I'm just saying that maybe players need to start thinking about hey when they come in where Ronnie immediately zoned in on Lane G. is way too. She's way too like a ball. She's got this amazing story who can beat her at the end does she need to sort of lie and improve her our story and make it may be not as dramatic in order to be less to lower threat level yeah and I mean that's that's kind of of what what Adam did right like when he you know he didn't really open up about his mom until much later in in his season and I I think he recognized that would put a big target as as against similar sort of thing and it's it's different circumstances where you're kind of like holding back something that you know will and that's less less like a like a huge component of your entire life like you can be yourself all withholding one particular thing that you're going through at the moment but but I think the concept is let's look at it from Ronnie's perspective and I think for Ronnie I think he got too too far ahead of himself with looking at Elaine in terms of her prospects or who can beat her in the end. Yeah I mean I will say this. I think that regardless of where she came from and her you know working class status or anything like that. The thing that's threatening about her is how oh genuinely likeable and personal. She seems on top of the fact that she is also seemingly a player of the game like she is an active person making alliances a a lot of people coming to her for things if you are able to snipe somebody out really early like that. That's better than sniping out. Some you know the I kind of like anybody but me target never gonNA do much in the game anyway. The problem is that if you're going to take that shot you need to be prepared. You need to have if you're only able to take that shot. If you feel like you got lucky and you manage to to get the people on your side and I feel like that's how Rani felt but clearly he was wrong the lane there. She had a couple of different alliances that were working for her that she had that three that we saw in the beginning of the episode where it was her her and Tom Vince that that was one group and I said this is my exit interview but typically like we saw last season that you know the you group that sort of like Oh that's easy three people that were going to get rid of and that that has we've seen lots of seasons where that Holtz in this this instance in addition to that Alliance Elaine was also part of this newly minted women's Alliance here in the Leiro tribe along with Chelsea and charisma and missy and Elizabeth's is there too and the Women's Alliance looked like that that was something that held as well. It seemed like they consciously made the decision. The first player voted out. It's not going to be a woman in his time in and honestly that's why I think that Elaine was a good target if you're capable of taking her out because you know alliances his form and they're they're pretty nebulous. They're pretty easy to break up especially in the very early parts of it in the very early parts of the game and so taking out a a player like Elaine who is connected to a lot of different things if let her stay in the game for one tribal council then that women's Alliance probably solidifies is that those other lines is probably start to solidify and then you find yourself in a spot where yes you survived one vote but you are facing a big majority. That's linked by somebody but he likes Elaine who is now untouchable whereas if you take her out than those other people kind of go their separate ways they're looking for people and your group is kind of in charge. Now you're good for basically the whole pre merge but again the problem is that when you take that shot you need to be able to follow through and you can't stick your neck out too much by yourself self because then it's going to fall back on you but it is pretty wild that this is sort of been not on my radar that sort of gets skewed because of a pat got medically evacuated evacuated in the David Versus Goliath but I'm pretty sure a woman has been voted out. I ever going back to Darn L. L. I think was the last man to be voted out. I I'd Rachel Rachel Ako and then Sierra was the first person voted out on game game changers than Katrina Radke and then it was Stephanie Gonzalez and then it was then Jacob the John Hughes Second Second Second. He was martyred the devil episode they'll loves up and then of course ream in the first episode of the last season so oh I mean that's been a longer streaked in four seasons in a row where a man has won the game yeah and so I mean that's that's again. That's where being a fan. Dan Can really help you because if you're a woman going into the season that's the kind of stat can really just immediately get a bunch of people. Let's just not let that happen. Nobody wants it to be them and it's a great easy thing to unify U in in the early rounds in my exit interview with Ronnie he mentioned Chelsea a couple of times as has being the person who I got that he looked at her as the person who is leading the charge against him. We didn't see her do same much. In the episode of Jeff Prose seems to be like the go-to person she wanted to send another drink his way but she seemed very haunted by the fact of if there was no jeff what's going on I would be I would be haunted. I'd be like hey this is yeah I want. I want my Jeff Time. I WANNA be able to do some banter back and forth. I want to see if I can get him to call me by my last name. what's going on. How did did you feel that worked that no more ruining? Did you miss you Miss Marooning. I gotta be honest. I didn't yeah I didn't either just to go back to last season. I don't feel like that sometimes. When I go back and do these long-form interviews I ended up having to watch that scene in a number of times and sometimes it's good so as you get a lot out of it that the ghost island one was was kind of a good one that opened with a challenge lynge but the one from last season was pretty much a non event really now? Almost nothing interesting happened. Yeah and I feel like I have a good connotation with marooning where I feel like I like them but when I think about them I don't I can't remember any of that. I liked except for ones where I already knew the players all all star season or something along those lines yeah. I think that's the problem. Is that when it's a bunch of new players. Maybe I know them from the preseason at best I just like they're just a bunch of people running around. You know who they are. I don't care who they are yet. You Know David versus Goliath I think was another one that was interesting because there was a lot of the setup of what David versus Goliath was ause and there was like a challenge that took place so I don't know if that's the right way to look at eight of you know how do you how do you end up building more story into it as opposed to like like a hero people. They're on a boat. We're throwing them off the boat. They're gonNA go swimming now. There's you know it was gone for a long time. They they brought it back but I think they probably overused it. I did not miss it here. I I actually liked it. I thought it was very compelling that we sort of just like jumped right in with this group and I felt like -ironically honestly by not jumping right in yeah. I felt like it gave us more time to focus on some of the characters on the show and that was my favorite part of the episodes that I felt like we were introduced to a bunch of different people and I really loved how they were introduced. I felt like a nice snapshot of who they were and what their philosophy was and how they think just based on the little snippets that we got from each person as we were introduced to them and I thought that was really well done. I just want to continue of thought with Ronnie before and then we'll talk a little bit more about the other tribe that this was. I just feel like a tough break for Ronnie that I know that people were really high on him in the preseason as in Angie concept particularly as I really thought he was going to a go far. Josh really hit it off with Ronnie. Do you feel like was it. Was this fluky. It's it's hard to tell you know I come from Big Brother Swan. I come from big brother. I see everything and so I have a very good idea of where somebody went wrong and why survivors so much more difficult and there's I got the sense from the edit that he was not doing too well. I felt like based on what I saw that he was thinking a little too too much like chess pieces on my board and I'm GonNa move these on this person's to likable therefore I should get rid of them. Let's like you can a bit off a bit more than he can chew there and and that you know when he went to talk with with Elaine Jews like I knew I knew that this was not and and it did it did kind of it made him look bad and and so my my perspective on it my view on it is that he he performed poorly here and I I think he's probably the kind of player not unlike perhaps Nick move from Wilson that maybe maybe endanger early on because he's maybe coming off a little too strongly and then if you give him some time he can settle back and he can do well but but honestly even just when I saw him standing before I even saw him. You're heard him speak as like sky looks a little shady like he's. He's like he's looking around. He's like like looking at people like like East controlling the game like he why poker players wear sunglasses exactly Li like he. He looked like a poker player. He looked like somebody who is sizing up as competition who is trying to think things through standing there like orchestrating things and instead of being out there like other people were portrayed carrying would chatting bonding with people felt like I didn't really seem bonding with anyone but again. That's that's just what we got eliminated. I we only see the bad parts because of the explain why he left it would be too confusing if they showed us him doing great exactly why they voted that guy he was doing. He did everything right yeah. I think that part of the factor here also for Ronnie was that he seemed like that he had a tight relationship with Aaron and who is a you know a big physical presence. We see this certainly on big brother. Two guys who are close friends friends and they immediately get targeted like a couple and it is not uncommon to see okay. One Guy is seen as more of the brains one guy seen as more of the Braun you target the guy who is seen as the brains of the operation yeah and it again the way it was portrayed. It seem like Ronnie was the one pushing the plans. He was the one that you know when the information got back to other people is was the name that was being read out and and then also obviously survivor you you want the you want the Bron- on your team because you're still a tribe still need to compete so you know this is not a great place for learning so for people that are gonNA play in future seasons that I believe that they've already film so ever forty but then for people that are going to be on our forty one you want to over. Inflate your net worth when you go out there. When you're under of your network is under a certain number you want to you? Pretend it's higher casual. I was on my yacht the other day and I was just thinking about being on the show and then also that if you are smart mart and your wheels attorney you'll want dumb that down so the ideal person you want to project yourself as is the person who is as well well to do and also not that bright and also dumb really physically fit yeah workout work out a bunch and then align with other than anything aligned with low income smart not really fit people and you're GonNa Golden. That'll help you that that will help you okay. Let's talk a little bit about what's going on at the other the other tribe Foci Hi yes and really a lot of the story. I felt that there were two main stories. One's one's more fun to talk about it then the other. Jason is out there looking for idols. Yes I heard Stephen Stephen talking about this. I think this really struck triggering for Stephen so Jason was with that guy and you know when you're talking about like Nick Wilson in having trouble early on I feel like that this was a little Nick Wilson was sort of taking it all in my quite talked about this also in that same season where you know hey you get to survivor. I think the impulses like Oh look how cool is this your out there and and is this Easter egg hunt to be had out there but don't go out into the woods because you're gonNA have problems yeah even on the other trial people literally gathering during would and they got in trouble so yeah I mean it's it's very important. It's a social game you've got to you have to be your kids kids in a candy store at that Point Yeah I. I'm the big guy they play the game on big brother which is who can linger the longest like you. Just you need to be around people all the time. Don't leave them alone if they're not alone than they can't conspire against you so if you are or just hanging out with the majority of the group at all times then they can't form a group against you and I know that's a very difficult thing to pull off and if they're annoyed by you and they don't want you around around you're probably in trouble anyway. Yeah okay can Jason Rebound from this that he was. Everyone's talking about him. We saw nora ended up telling him about about what was going on. What people were saying about him? now we go back to David versus Goliath. I believe that Natalie Cole was also another person who who was out looking for hospitals and I think it was Jeremy Giambi Crawford. I believe he was the one that told her. Hey just so you know people are saying and she got mad at him. Yeah so this analytical was in the doing instagram live at the Big Brother House Allie call was in the instagram live as I said please come come on the come on the podcast choosing that she watches big brother. Now Okay blended landed to plan a dangerous game when you deliver news that people don't want to hear right right so it seemed like that for Jason Heave seem more receptive and he was not what shooting the Messenger he was like. Oh my God I'm going to be the first person voted out yeah. I think it's something he can bounce back from this. It's a very flimsy excuse to vote. Vote somebody out. It seemed it seems less like people dislike him more like it was just you know hey we're here. He's not cool. We don't have to worry about being the first one with a few more days. When actual relationships start to form things can change he's now playing from behind fell? Oh and he will need to make inroads other because he still will be the default Merson to go against it will be harder for them to make connections because of that but also I didn't see the whole tribe talk it's either it was just kind of a core group of people that all cells the core group of people. I don't know if everyone else hard 'cause. They didn't go to travel county exactly they don't really know I think my my wife watched the first twenty minutes of the episode because I asked her. Hey did you watch survivor last night. She's like yeah your twin God voted out as like yeah yeah yeah. I don't like people don't like the bear bad news parents. If my wife is wrong with it I just letter be wrong unless Ronnie's twin. You know maybe shoes gotten it yet. Maybe she was going for that. You know it's Jason. He's from New York personal injury lawyer youth yeah think she doesn't know what's going on hum so all right the other big the other big story is the story about Dan and we saw him. I it was mostly told through the perspective of Kelly who said that she felt like that Dan was that she's a Germaphobe and Dan was puts his head on a on her leg. Dan gives a back rubs to people around the tribe. Kelly was was not having it yeah and you have to be a Germaphobe tonight to not like that and you know anybody's head on your leg Taryn it not not without them. Asking bursts right I would I would be out be pretty annoyed if somebody put their head on my leg without asking looking very understandable. The the game of survivor is not necessarily about you know. How do you make yourself alf comfortable? I it's about you know reading what your actions are doing in terms of the comfort level of others and so in terms of like that might be how you want to roll but you know in terms of the other players. There's that are out there that you know getting a sense of how they're feeling about things. Is You know really key yeah like I get the argument that like Oh you know she never directly sold him not to but like how oblivious do you have to be when you're again lying your head on somebody's leg league without without asking them if they would if they're okay with that them for them to be actually now. I WANNA move okay but I guess I'll say okay but you're not sweating on my leg are right. I think that's the cue right. Head is not because if you really if you really want somebody's head there are you don't care if they have a sweaty head yeah if I ask Hey can. I lie my head on your leg and they were like oh absolutely here here by right here and then I laid my head on them and they were always your head sweating. I'd be like Oh. I'm not that's it. I'm going to go shower for refer five days straight yeah and also bad news on survivor. Everybody's headed sweating. Everybody has a sweaty head on survivor so it's but it's also that from the perspective of Kelly that it's this is a difficult situation because that that you are also playing with the person who has their head on your leg and then you also you know you are uncomfortable uncomfortable but also how do you diffuse that situation without now making yourself the target of the next vote so it is aw of a very difficult situation yeah and I think that you know your your instinct if you're not a very confrontational person is to give off the body language that she was and to be to be very like like but if that doesn't work then then I I don't know what the answer Sir is. I think that ultimately she kind of came to the to the right conclusion that you Kinda just have to go to people you trust and hope that they are willing to hear here you out. You'll share share your perspective and I think that she you know it's a good way way. At the same time there were other people that felt similarly and so this was something that they could kind of find strength in numbers and address it in that way but but it's definitely it's crazy. It's a really difficult topic to address even just in in real life. you know if even when you're not playing a game even when you can't be devoted out here you can't win a million dollars if you can somehow get over get through this sort of situation It's still a difficult thing to address because you know there. There's there's all sorts of if if there's somebody who is in your life enough that they can be you crossing your boundaries on a regular basis then that can be a very difficult difficult thing to to to manage so in this premier. I think almost every single person got at least something thing that I don't think that there was anybody that went over the premier just to look look through the cast. I think that we spent as I really really kudos Ninety Minute Premiere very reminiscent of the David versus Goliath premier where the you know not like Oh. Where's the Purple Blank Yeah Yeah? It's funny because I forgot it was ninety minutes and I was just watching this morning Salang slogger than usual yeah so sticking with what's going on Boakye. Janet was also also another pleasant so I was worried about her coming in but she was able to start the fire and I gotTa uh I don't remember another female castaway coming in and starting to fire without without without the flint you know I feel like I remember one thing but it might not it might it might have been later in the season but either I either way it's it's pretty rare to begin with and and she's totally right like not only being a woman being older woman. That's those Y- it. I think that there is a a perspective that those are going to be people who have the most amount of difficulty in doing in the wild stuff and and she says you know what those matter you prove yourself no matter who you are and I really admired her confidence in her you know she really knows herself and I really respected that yeah she also shared the grappling hook and the challenge yeah shoes she was great so ah Janet super-popular coming out of the coming out of the I whistle a little bit we're going on with Jack Jackson's like a fun Guy Yeah it was it was meant so weird to me that a twenty three year olds like yeah youngest guy here. You know there's there's there's. There's one other young guy that I've really bonded with but we're we're the where's this. Where's this casting on? How come how come they can't be the young guy I on? Yes he'd be old guy on Big Brother right twenty three hits it off with with Tommy says the other young guy who's twenty six. Yes and I also really liked Tommy but I I. I got a good good feeling about about Jack. He seems he seems he's talked about being you know he seemed maybe like I could see him getting a bit of a Dodo at it in the future. He seemed like he could be a little naive but I loved his positivity and I loved the joy Roy that he was bringing to to the show to the game yeah but I think that they bake that in no pun intended ferber on the Dodo edit like look at a AH maybe Sebastian from took a switchback asylum today but sea bass you know I think that first episode I think he's talking about you know Banana Laffy Taffy and you know going to the candy store and now that's who that guy was. I'm not saying that Jack is it's the bastion but he did not get that from the beginning. I think it'd be tougher to make a wild left. Turn Yeah I could see that you know I think at the very least I could see like a carefree like easygoing guy kind of but I I I would love to see him evolve into something else either way. I just got good vibes from him I was I was pleased with what vibes. This is a much better chance yes yes favorite Jack. Oh my God I can't even I can't believe I didn't see this. It's Jack and Tommy together over your pear know Kristie. I guess there's no look it. It was always about Jack and Tom. He was always yeah. Do you have any other favorites from the cast on either tribe. I liked Tommy I thought he got at some of the best content all episode where he talked about trying to bond with people individually and you know scenes where where he was in tears and and he felt like he was doing really well and normally when you set somebody up like that like Oh. I'm doing really well you then have the scene where it shows that they're not doing really well and you know you cut to a confessional of the person they were talking to like. I'm really suspicious of this. Person didn't happen felt like I got a lot of really good positive stuff from Tommy Tommy in this episode and so I feel very good about him moving forward he might be one of those you know people that they build up in the first half and they go like right before the merge something along those lines but but I think he's going to be somebody to watch out for sure so in the fall out of Ronnie being gone is are. We going to see that Aaron be the next person voted out. Do you think that eight halts my guess is no. I think you know the drive. I've came together for this vote but there are a lot of different groups that came together to make that happen and and Aaron is a physical guy and if they lose a second challenge Jinro than I think they might be reluctant to vote off and other guys another big physical guy especially if they're not all very unified but there's a couple of groups but if Elaine is going to be all in with the women I mean a yet tribal lines could halt like maybe the other tribe is going to be vocal strong and we've definitely seen that with an orange versus purple season but for for the women even if it meant they were GonNa lose the challenges I if if the five women were going to stick together and they felt really good about that group would it be the end of the world if they went to say four straight three tribal councils no. I don't think so but I think it's I think it's easy to survive. I think it's easy to say that when you're not there I I think that's that's like you know. We'll we'll taking off your your safety blanket and you know just being like well. I think I'm going to be okay so it's fine but but you do you do have a good point though that you know it's the women that seemed to if they stick together they should be able to control the vote from now on yeah and they did seem to be ah on on the same page as Tom and Vince and so if if those if those guys are safe and all of a sudden you've only got you know dean or Aaron to look at their both fairly young physical guys and so at that point. You Might Dean voted with you and Darren did you. You're just hypothetically just see if we were going to play that out if the if the women of Leiro ended up sticking together other okay we're gonNA vote out Aaron. NEX looks like Tom is in with a lane so maybe dean and after that and and they just you know knock out a couple of guys as in. Maybe it's Tom invinci- after that Wayne. Let's say they ended up getting to a swap or emerge then do you think at the merge that the five women the five original Leiro women would be the target at the merge. I kind of feel like the vocal Foci would start looking at the people that were the biggest threats from original vocal. I think that's definitely possible again i. I hope this isn't annoying to people but I come from a big brother perspective. You see all the time on big brother in it's less prevalent on survivor but so you see all the time on big brother men in particular are terrified of women in particular when they get into a big alliance and we we have seen this on survivor ever before we saw the terror of a theoretical women's Alliance on here's versus villains scared jt into giving an idol I think that if the other tribe Dr sees that man after man after man is going home and then they are confronted with a tight group of five yeah in the men will probably try to to revolt and try to late. It's still it's too late now because like maybe like Janet or Lauren or Molly Li like they might be on board with this idea. Kelly it could be where then they're ends up being a majority of say eight or nine and women that are sort of like a cross tribal and then they ended up getting rid of some of these of big physical guys. It's definitely possible especially if there are women who feel on the outs- on the tribe but do you want to be the person that jumps in on a tight group of five. It's been rooting for the last five weeks. I think I look I'm with you. I think it's totally could work and I think that would actually be really fun to see but but there are definitely risks risks associated yeah it could be interesting if it was you know cross tribal of what would what would necessarily be especially. We ended up having a swap where they still have the bond of it being. All all women with the tribal lines be super important at that point. You Know Ah for me it. It seems like it can be completely random at times. Sometimes the tribe blinds are very very solid and they really matter sometimes they don't sometimes uh-huh swaps they matter less sometimes when they're swaps they matter more and so it really depends and it's hard to get a read on the other tribe if you're not getting too much interaction with them just how much ride they have in their own yeah be interesting if that does hold where this women's Alliance that's building what Robin Sandra advise players about this tape yeah I mean it would be it would be interesting yeah because I mean I just think that fundamentally Sandra is not really you know women's lines any alliance inspired by definition anybody but me means you know any configuration people yeah to be fair though I I've. I've never really agreed with with that line for. I don't think that's really been Sandra. You don't what what do you think well I mean on Pearl Islands. It wasn't really anybody but me she had her allies and she just lost her allies and then versus villains she also had allies and then lost them again and then tried. I do work against her allies for I just never really like I know that's something that she said and I know it's a philosophy that she that she has in general but I think it's a philosophy that most people have when confronted with me or somebody else. It's gotta be somebody else but but I don't think it's like really particularly applies to Sandra. She said plenty of allies that she she was loyal to right. I I do think she will have like a best e of whether it's Krista or whether it's Gordon Gates or somebody that she will she would not right. Even you know Jeff Varner and game changers jewel have somebody that she you maybe even Michaela that she is somebody that that she wants to keep that person around she did come into heroes vs villains and I think that you know in Sorta like where it's a group of ten and they're trying to come up with you know who the villains are going to get rid of I I you know she's open to any name that you throw out there but when she really loves somebody she's not GonNa turn on her ally. She's she's a very loyal ally yeah and she was so mad when the guard rupert out she has dumped the fish right yeah so he was she was made about that. I think ain't that Elaine had a really interesting. Take on anybody but me when Aaron and Ronnie were talking with Elaine about like okay who's who should we vote off and she was is she was she was the one throwing out like I I do not care really anybody yet. You tell me yeah and I mean yeah and that's like I think this is a very prevalent sort of thing and sometimes it's hard to pull off but I think that I think that what Elaine has going for her is just how genuine she is and how much she really wanted to be there. I think that when some I think that some people could not pull it off to say I don't care because I think that that would come office shape. I think the people would be like what would it mean. You don't care like why. Why don't you care what who you're trying to play? Mary trying to get me to say name is usually if if somebody the is an offering anything up then that's a bad sign but I think from her came off genuine in the sense that like I just want here. It's like please. I don't want it to be me just I. I'm with you. Whatever you WanNa do I am on board and it seemed to have worked turning? You know what I think is the weirdest alliance that we see. Maybe in a while Elaine Tom Invents. I don't know how these three people necessarily found found each other and hit it off. They don't have a lot in common the three of them. It's the work ethic work ethic. They were all hard workers real hard workers. They found each other yeah. They appreciate the value of hard work and teamwork and like they're. They're all just kind of like you know like How would you describe solid people? You'd set it trustworthy hard working. At least that's the perspective that Tom got walk from them and why he wanted to work yeah I mean three very different people very different backgrounds. All Different Ages like it is weird that this a group of three came together and they seem pretty tight yeah bonded by common trait and that's one of the things I love the but watching this episode was you know seeing the diverse I cast in their motivations and who they are and how they were bonding with each other in different ways. I WANNA take some questions from from the listener. 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You need to let let the other players is know what your resume here comes running and he says well got to let everybody know my resume. I'm going to go through any when we went down the whole seavy. The whole thing was if I if I were working with Ronnie to try to help them find a job I'd be like I I. I don't think that working at McDonalds is relevant to the current environment terror. Do you think that somebody who's pretty resume. They stayed a one pager. Yes you you don't you don't list that. You worked at McDonalds. Don't list that you you know. I don't want all of the most relevant position to the job. You're implying for more recent well. I think that the job that Ronnie was applying for was most down on their luck survivor in the tribe right which is really came off poorly so do you think that instead Ronnie should have said that he has been unemployed for four thirty years. Yes get a job. I hard times. I've never had a giant actually homeless. It turns out. It's I'm homeless headed up me and dreams Ronnie has done to well. He's done to well. He needs to do the opposite opposite. Eliza Elaine has not done well enough. She needs to embellish her resume. Yeah it's should be saying well Jeff Flock. I've I've had a lot of a lot of different jobs. I've run this company run. This hedge fund talking about how many times you've been SONATA TRAE way to show heart yeah okay Let's see how about this is a question from chase. Who says do you think the orange tribe will be? The disaster tribe Taryn of that. Maybe some of our listeners have not been following knowing the saga of orange versus purple for these last couple of years on survivor but our engine is really Jason in Somerville who first came on the podcast a longtime ago. I'd say it was like two thousand fourteen or twenty fifteen. He did some research on he went back and looked at everything and he said hey do you know what the worst color for tribe performances what what's the worst performing buff and I said I have no idea and he said it's orange inch and then I forgot about that and ironically that is the color of the RHA P. Patron buff is orange but you know that it's appropriate for the Red Sox but that being said in these last couple years orange which was already bad has really like you know can't find a new floor has taken a nosedive from the Melillo tribe to that was the I hi David tribe was our engine. Here's another they keep putting out orange versus purple the manifest they manifested and another loss for orange tribe. You think that the orange losing ways will continue more orange crush I'm going to say I'M GONNA say overall. Yes I think the I think foci will be a much more successful trip. I don't know if orange will be like really terrible but I think I think ah purple is going to be more successful. Okay William mcquaid wants to know what kind of head start or other increase inspect in expected value would rob have had a to offer to make you take him on in the fire making challenge okay what what would rob have to have offered Taryn uh-huh like what are you holding out for when you're in the fire making negotiation with rob I'm holding out for Hey Taryn. I'll be your best friend that you would do yeah I mean that's like a prize. I think I would say like all right. You have to do with one hand behind your back. Okay Yeah so then can rob me versus Boston Rob and he has one hand tied behind his back. Jack Got Boston up. I could still use my feet so yeah. Could he do it with one hand. I mean for the record. If it was gonna be me or any survivor tests versus Boston Rodman he can only use one hand. I'm I'm glued to the TV. You want compelling Fire Make You Right Boston rob with one hand tied behind his back making the fire. Would he hold a machete Eddie in his mouth. I th I think right away. He's going to figure out a solution that we haven't thought of yet and just immediately make it easy and he's really good at it. He's really he's really good at you know in the allstars that we had no fly. We were not able to to make a fire. They're out on Shapira at that time. It was not for a lack of trying that rob and big. Tom Worked worked for a very long time on trying to get the fire going that we had bamboo and they were sawing back and forth and you l. both of them like like like a sweat coming coming down and it was it was just so humid and wet and it was not going to happen. I think that maybe the conditions in Fiji are a little more optimal for being able to get the fire started and there was smoke and Sue Hawk would say oh just because they're smoke doesn't mean and you're GonNa get fire. I've learned that in Borneo so they were they were they were like thanks for your help. Sir Breath well rob has come a long way since that time Boston Rahm yeah. No I think my heroes vs billups. I think he got it. All all figured out. Maybe it was the rest of the time on all stars that he used the perfect it yeah okay Isaac Christians who wants to know would you rather take cold showers or clam showers turn at the top. I didn't know the clamps spit water at you. Is it like do you like a water gun. You fill the clam with water and then you squeeze the Shell. I don't know I couldn't it seemed like he was just kind of holding it there like when he was following her and he seemed like he was just GonNa Holding there and it was was dribbling out water and finally just shot out now if he did anything to to cause yes so okay so let me add to the complaint lists so so in addition to anybody's sweaty head on my leg also don't spray me with clam juice yeah that seemed like consensual clam juice spraying okay all right well. I think they were both into it. I was not be no thank you. I will pass. I will pass on your clam. Clam juice spray. Rob Rob is not into the lamb. You know thank you no thank you. He prefers no juice snow Paul okay all right. I'll eat a clam. That's a juicy one yeah. No no thank you know thanks. I know they spent. I have never seen that before. You know sometimes it's Kinda rare but sometimes they do. It's yeah do you know that for a fact or your you know. Some people are into it. Okay all right. This is a question for me from Costa Rob would rather turn return to survivor as a player or a mentor so let's explore this for a minute where that the maybe the success of the survivor know it alls has just continued to grow and grow over the years instead of Robin Sandra Stephen Fish back and me. I'll even say it grammatically correct for Stephen on-the-go. It's Steve Dish back so we're out there. What do you think about that but I think it might be more interesting thing then Robin Sandra because I think that's Stephen Fish back and I am going to nail this grammar? I think we have conflict where Robin Sandra may not think that in their time together and heroes were civilians. I thought that they were always in the same page. Yeah I mean I can see now like you are offering advice to Elizabeth and you're telling her that she needs to stick with the women and Stephen saying no. That's never gonNA work. You should worst advice you could take you shouldn't be trying to get down to five people in your drive. Have you should try keeping your strong and then you're gonNA. You'RE GONNA know this is the right call. Just think about it all five women heading into the merge. Nobody's going to target them and he's GonNa. He's don't listen to rob. I'm the knowing knowing all knowing all. He's this this yeah. I really I would much prefer this then to go back and play where these two men have been podcasting about survivor for the last ten years ears now they're here a podcast about the season as it happens. They'll give advice to the players but they won't always agree on on who should get the fishy oord yeah not for nothing. You'd be much better at the live tribal commentary we would be really. We've I mean that would be our sweet spot. That'd be good. I did like it when Rob Heff Sandra like Andrew. Was it hard for you. She's like now vote them out yeah so that was good. I did enjoy that I've look were critical on fire making here but I I think this is a very very fun. Having these guys around I agree with. Are there any other combos that we should have. Would you like to see them do this more. This should be one and done we need. I mean really just kinda started with Cochran back in Game Changers Wayne. He was on the boat and down wall side. A lot of jobs got to then pick Cochran spring. Yes how about this. We we need Tyson in and coach coach. I think that that would be good yeah as coaches coach as a coach as a coach Yes exactly yeah in the big big brother version of this the coaches before they came into the game were embedded on in the house with the with with the players that you do you like the idea of Robin Sandra having their own office almost two rob Ling One Beach Chin Sandra living on the beach. Oh you mean Oh yeah okay yeah. I actually think it according to the way that I laid it out like my my theory of how it could go where they're offering advice about the game and asking them leading a leading questions to get them thinking about certain things. I think that would be very very fun to have them on the beach. You know what we saw on big brother fourteen work coaches it was very it was very interesting concept to to watch play because these people were playing the game on behalf of their players and so even though those players were not always up to speed in terms of being a great game players you had somebody you had players like an eastern and Mike Bogey really playing the game hard on their behalf and that was that was a really interesting concept to watch play out so I I think it could be very fun to have them embedded on the beach but I don't think that's really what they're going for this season and I think that that would really fit with what they're doing right now. Yeah I'm really interested to see where they're gonna go with the island of the idols because the one certa like well laid out idea about what Robin Sandra would do has been already been brown yeah so I really like what is it that Sandra will teach. That's what I was thinking because it has to be heard challenges next right. It can't just be like you always challenge rob right now but I may be like who can who can steal the hat who can still Boston Rob's hat. All the sugar is drive and who still the still the fish right so I mean Sandra is good. It's sort of like throwing the people under the bus like there's something that they could go back to camp and then try to get the you know blame this other person and get the target on them or get these other people going the other away. I mean the fire making thing. Is there such a like a self contained clean concept. I don't know necessarily what the stuff looks like. I don't know I I really have no idea I don't know how we're going to get it all in in the sixty minute episode or forty two minute episodes without the commercial and that and that is my caveat here for are the all of the things that we're talking about enjoying Robinson Andrew on the show in the first place the idea of them being embedded or giving advice the the thing that makes that worse worse is my my worry that the edit will not be great because of the that if you know if Boston Robin Sandra I think this is why a lot of people were nervous about this concept to begin with that. They're going to be getting the bulk of airtime. We're not going to get to know the other contestants well enough and and that the season is gonNA suffer. I think that in this episode I thought that they found a relatively good balance out that fire making stuff but beyond that I felt like I did get to know a lot of the people but it was a ninety minute episode and so. I don't know how it's going to translate into sixty minutes but I'm hopeful okay. Graham Gates wants to know. Is it fair to say that the strength of the Women's Alliance lane standing in it kept her in the game. We didn't see too much of the women's Alliance before tribal and it seemed like that Elaine. Only Tom Convince but all the women ended up voting for Ronnie and even with Elizabeth not being able to vote at the next tribal they basically have a stranglehold on that tribe of for for the time being so now Kennel Elizabeth voted the next traffic has I thought she was playing for an idol for the next two tribal count that the idol could be used the next shoe trauma counseling. She was losing her vote at this travel council. That was my understanding okay. She will have a vote nets chapel. Yes yes but in terms of the women's Alliance I don't no no it's it's hard to say because we didn't really get a good sense of when and where and how the vote flip but everybody was onboard except for Erin including you know again a dean who was he part of the Tom and convince thing doesn't seem like obviously not part of a women's Alliance so how'd you get involved it wouldn't surprise me if this was more of a tribe consensus and that the women's Alliance thing was kind of seed that was started this this round that we're seeing now because because it becomes relevant later and that maybe it wasn't the driving force behind this particular vote but maybe we'll be important later on I. I think it was a big a big deal. Yeah I think it was a big part of it and I think that a lanes being in these two alliances and then really it seemed like Ronnie and Aaron Rain were two people that were in neither of the alliances that were that we that we saw form delayed. They clearly thought that they had some kind of thought. They had a seven which which didn't end up holding so I do think that the you know you had some some really powerful players to start off on on that women's Alliance like missy charisma also she seems like she's a force Chelsea based on and a little bit from the episode but maybe more from my interview with Ronnie felt like that that she was a big force in this alliance Elaine gene as well and so I think that the women's Alliance I think was a was probably the biggest factor here could very well be okay all right Taryn in Lemme. Ask You let me see if I have another survivor question and then if it's okay with you and with the listeners I I I. I'm sure people would want to hear a little bit about the night last night sure we can talk. We can talk about that yeah. I don't want people to to yell at me yeah well. I don't want people to yell at me and Yell at me. This was a survivor podcast. Why did you talk about big brother? If if you're mad about me talk brother it's now officially one hundred percent rob's fault yell at him so we'll do it. We'll do it. This is the last thing the last thing so. Let me turn you could turn that off okay. Hey Dro- Graha wants to know we know the boss. Sandra won't enter the game but should players take it into consideration that possibility. I thought it would be very so scared of that happening and not take it for granted wanted that it won't happen yeah. Absolutely I mean this is like what happened on big brother is that there were people who were unarmed but the contract it says that we would never go into the like Britney. I talked to Brittany and she was like I genuinely believed. I wasn't going in the game. All we know for survivors that they have a an oath so I would be absolutely concerned about it and even if it wasn't the case I feel like I could use the threat of it to my advantage how that you know if I have a majority alliance we we can't we can't diverge from in this. We can't play too cute right now. We can't deviate from the plan because what if we splinter too much in all of a sudden rob comes in or Sandra comes in and now we have this extra say that what twist do is make there be sort of less volatility in the game because some people want to cling cling to their numbers in the case of a twist exactly and I would if I was on a season with a theoretical twist I would take advantage could Aaron tell people well. Hey don't vote me out. You need me to beat Boston. Rob In the Immunity Challenge Sin Rob comes back into the game. You'll need me. I don't know if if it works if it works this early but but the idea that like you know the the idea of what you talked about like it's it's. It's okay to lose all the challenges because you know we'll have type five John Women heading into the merge. We won't be a threat but if I'm like yeah but what happens happens. If Boston Rob Enters the game at the merge. Do you really do you really want to be down in numbers when he comes in and and he can take control of the other tribe and just wipe you out. You know like we've seen that happen before so we have a lot of survivor super fans that are on the season. I wonder are if there are any big brother fans or even super fans who do know the history of big brother fourteen yeah I I mean nick was a big but big brother Fan and I mean I think he probably would have anticipated something like that happening. big brother fourteen is one one of the more you know remembered seasons the coaches entering the game the end game the funeral. Also you know still you you know what six years old at the time this being filmed yeah but but there are so many fans on this cast it would not surprise me if if at least one of them was a big fan and if you are a big brother Fan even if you're a recent big brother fan you probably at least know about season fourteen you might not know the details you might not remember entered the game but it has to be somewhat Ross in your mind even if you aren't a fan but but I have to imagine there's at least you think that the contestants should be given a copy of the Boston Rob rulebook when they end up going to the island of the idols. I think that I think that they hand you one on your way out after torches ENJ and go to Paul and gifts foil yeah there's he signed it with a with a little little message to you. What were you thinking yeah? You're GONNA read it up on derosa. You absolutely made the wrong choice time to read upon Rosa the ending of like a choose your own adventure book where you end up then you you end up getting voted out of the game you are left with a copy of the Boston Rob Rule Book which you'll have plenty of time to read as you wallow at Ponderosa. I'll see you in all status. You better make right choices then you'd better be yeah. Go go flip back and try the other way okay. This is a question Austrian from Justin Feinberg. What do you make of the partnership between Tommy and Jack? Do you think that Tommy will try to Jack is a meat shield who will get picked off before he does. I mean it's probably too early to tell at this point we saw from we'll. We'll copy the the big brother twenty-one of at all. I don't think so Jack is he doesn't seem that meet chilly. He seems like you know he's. He's too. He's he's the young guy he's enthusiastic. It's not like cysts said Jack was very meet shelty yeah well he was he was very big Meat Shield. I don't know how big this Jack is that you know this would say. I say I say big and so I just don't he's too small a guy. I think he needs to be a bigger guy. If you really want to use the Meat Shield actively yeah okay all right Stacy Christian wants to know who the better spectators Boston Robin Sandra Travel Council or Statler and Waldorf for them up at this is a lot of my twitter last night I went straight to signs mystery science theater but yeah I guess the I guess the muppets can work to. They're all terrible terrible alright. We're going to talk a little bit about the Big Brother family very fun night last night running on adrenaline from the wild night that we had last night talk about that to be you know should be fun. WE'RE NOT GONNA get too too heavy into big brother strategy talk or anything like that. 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Let's let's talk a little bit about last night Taryn we went over to the CBS Radford Lot that over to the Big Brother House. You've never been to the big brother. US House you've visited the Big Brother Canada lot a couple of times yes and we got there and I was actually very nervous that we we got to where we were going to be watching the screening and this was my big concern was I had not seen survivor and we walked in and they were at tribal council yeah so I was spoiled on that. delay row tribe was going to try to counsel yeah see I managed to avoid that I I did not get spoiled on the tribe the orange off our tribe the I I wasn't I wasn't paying attention that I did see because then it was it was shut down before the vote and so I was like Oh we're we're in the clear but then it came back for the credits and I thought I saw the the I voted out giving their final words and I thought I saw a red shirt and so I watched this episode. Thinking Lane has a red shirt. Oh you thought it was lane. I I think it was a lane that I saw but I think she was just casting her vote. It was such quick or land freeview. May I think it was like in the in the tribal booth or something along those lines but or maybe I was just completely crazy and it wasn't even in a red shirt yeah that the issue was in the room or watching the episode that they kept losing the feed for some reason which was weird because we were actually at CBS to one watch in the broadcasting so it was kind of weird they love but it was very fortuitous for us that they lost the signal when they were going to go vote a tribal council so then I didn't know who who was going out and then yet then it came back up like during like the you know next time on survivor and I was just like stick my fingers in my ears and like was able to a not learn what had happened and I thought that lay law was gonna get voted out really yeah. I think that that was the one for whatever reason I think think I read something on my twitter that I interpreted it as laidlaw was getting voted out. Do you know what it was. I I don't really remember it. I like like tried to convince myself that I didn't see what I saw so I do like try trick myself. I've been trying to figure out who you mean the scrolling. The cast who who's late fees it hockey oh hockey same things Canadian yeah so yeah I was talking about the other the Wayne Gretzky right yes yes and so so we watched the episode. It was fun. They were there was pizza. We got to see Ikea and Dimitris from Big Brother Canada. We got got to see also Rachel Swindler. Was There Rachel a reporting for after buzz yes we it was funny because we saw her in the screening room and then we saw her in the backyard and she was in a completely new dress wow shaggy she changed for the backyard but but no she'd spilled wine right right there was also and there was a party also that was going on we were with the press and then there was also a party that was going going on for. I think it was like the family members and also like the people that like there was big brother alumni that were there also the people like Bobby Moynihan Yeah. VIP's VIP Big Brother Party we were we were not invited to that. Well actually theoretically we we were. We were yeah because technically by the end of the night we got a VIP forgive technically. I I was invited to the party I just I was so busy with with my very important work stuff that I couldn't unfortunately couldn't attend it because I'm just a little too cool and busy for that and that's really why we didn't go yeah yeah so we then after we watched the whole episode play out and we won't spoil I for some reason you gonNa Watch watch big brother or whatever we don't we don't need to get into who won who lost not important and we ended up making your way down to the the lot to we'll get into the backyard of the Big Brother House Darren. How how was that entering the big brother backyard? It's very strange. It's it's especially I went to the big brother Canada House but that's I've been watching that. Were in the house yeah but it's it's different because I've I've been watching that show for like seven years now as opposed to and it's been like six different houses right yeah. It's like the third iteration of the of the house but I've been watching this house must've been since I was team fourteen. I think big brother's six was the in in that house yeah so yeah so probably I think maybe like fourteen and it's like there's it's so many things have happened there and I've been watching it for so long it was completely unrecognisable apart from the size of it because they were draped draperies on on the walls to make it seem more like a woodsy thing because the whole mission was set up and you can even see inside the house but I I the second I stepped out there. I Like I knew like it felt like this. This is the place yeah and we got set up and the you had a lot of our run INS with the different big brother Houseguests J. C. Yes love the JC very very nice guy. I always think he's fun. Yes Sir and then a surprise appearance by Dr Will Yeah Dr will showed up and I thought oh he's he's out here like he's probably GonNa stay out here but I I made sure to jump on it and go talk to you win. When you went right in yeah that is look I have I I have experience now with these situations you can't be you can't be patient and I I look he was talking to other people? I let them have their chance. I didn't WANNA interrupt but I made sure that he was not going going to leave before I talked to him because then I would spend the rest of the year being like damn it. This is a that was probably my one opportunity my life yeah so I made sure it happened. I always tried to play cool with Dr will because I feel like if I feel like that. If you seem too much like you WanNa talk to him. I felt like he doesn't then. He doesn't WanNa talk to you but he he seemed very friendly with you yeah well He. I I to try to be just like like I I grew up watching you and he seemed to love it. He he's turned back to his wife. He was like this guy that was like in front of his wife Yeah so remembering but yeah it was great it was it was really fun. Yes but just you know when you run into us. Oh Jeez in the wild and you say I I grew up watching you then and we feel very old yes that was that was intention you you were trying to make actual field yeah the nagging exactly yeah okay well then you'd be zone exactly yeah that's okay and then you know the new sort of bringing people in and it really the time went by so fast where I I looked at my watch and it was like nine forty and then the next three hours later. I don't understand how the the time went by so fast yeah. It's it was there was like a lot of downtime but also not a lot of down time because is you were just always waiting for the next person to come and it was it was it was a lot and you have to pay attention to make sure nobody left. We have you talking to them because because they weren't really going order that made a lot of sense it was kind of like Willy Nilly Yeah and the difference between the big brother finale and the survivor finale is is that the survivor finale you only do press with the people that made it to the finale so top five top six and that's it maybe once in a while they bring go. Here's Ron Clark or like a random person or like oh joey amazing is on a red carpet where on big brother they bring out everybody buddy from the guests. Even the pre jury people who have already gone through you know they bring them out for press for the finale to sixteen sixteen interviews did yes and and I was very happy because I love. I love a lot of those numbers but that's a lot and you know right when you right when we thought we was going to be over because we weren't sure if the Jersey Jersey started coming Oh ooh one person left and then hold on here comes the pre Jerry. I was another six people left actually yeah so we he ended up getting out really late like the party already closed down. Yeah we're like we should we go over there and there's only there's only like there's only one Leonard to people there. Forget it. It's over and so we're trying to find out if somebody if anybody had gone we're going someplace else. Afterwards and then we end up running into the one or two stragglers who were being taken carted back from the Party of of course it was kate our own Caitlyn Herman Yeah and then in the back of a golf cart screaming the right slice so and then she was with Swaggie see and bail and we ended up on like the this. This is like the one of the craziest elevator ride. Actually you could see it on instagram that there was a big brother account that was of with capturing this on instagram and I couldn't believe it because it's such a crazy elevator ride the elevator was swaying back. Everybody was like jumping up and down in in the elevator and screaming and carrying on and I got to see if I can find the one one of the a big brother update accounts they were they're doing press on instagram and it was really like harrowing and and it was a a all star elevator with people from a big brother of myself survivor people from Love Islands Yeah Carro Yeah Yeah I know it was wild and we got off the elevator and Ikea was like wizard literally and figuratively. She's like she's like rob. We're we're too old for this to offer this. We can't we gave that what what just happened. It's really crazy the night big dot brother dot live on instagram. I think yeah well here's here's the audio elevator ride weird How's it wasn't just the tower of terror? I don't know I don't know it was a lot of alcohol. Hall involve not known for US yeah well to be fair. I don't think we were the ones screaming I think I might have screamed this. Ah quaint I'm just a little bit. You know like hey if I'm GONNA go out you know try to I try to enjoy the glancing back and then we got back here and then started. We're our own Scott. saint-pierre-sur-mer working on the Audio uh-huh and Scott pulled an all nighter. I came Oh you know very close to pulling a fast turnaround from when I went to bed watched the survivor episode started like I had to I put all the video on the timeline and then had to go and also whoa start watching survivor at like three thirty four o'clock in the morning and then over then went to bed and then I had to do the interview with Ronnie at nine thirty this morning so quick quick turnaround. Yes and my kids like to watch a Latin the Disney version on on like a very high volume at six o'clock in the morning yeah well you know I mean this may be a precursor to them. Listening to like art or music now has to be listened to at high volumes to really get the full experience okay all right. I'll show breath. You'RE GONNA wake up early and put on hardcore. No I was. I was just going to start seeing Latin songs okay. I don't WanNa get you a copyright strike Taryn. Have you ever listened one-off. Here's Karen Armstrong singing a bunch of songs on Shoe Nineteen nineteen ninety. Three's elad okay all right Taryn el what else anything else I was great where we're going to be heading to the another wrap party tonight's. Yes yeah yeah so what a what a week a life wheelies bay big brother finale week yeah who would guest yes okay all right. You're somebody who doesn't drink is going to go all of these parties Ladies Party Week Okay so tomorrow look. I came party too much because I talked to ream daily tomorrow good morning and so I've got rob. You think you're cool. Going these parties like too much partying. Knock it off off. No I'm just GONNA go out and for a for a for a little bit there will need to be a nap involved if if that if that is going to have time yes so. We'll say that we're going to try to like see if my kids will let me take a nap in one of their beds before they actually have to go to bed if we can work out the timing on that but anyway so we've got rain coming up on Friday Robin Akiba the need a podcast coming up over the weekend and then on Monday night we will get into everything with the wiggle room sending your wand off Wiggle Eagle Room at rob has a website dot com and then in one podcast we will have our wiggle room want off and then we will also have this week week in survivor history with Jordan Kayla wear my guest. The person taking me on the quiz will be none other than the co the host of our brand new mass singer Julia Zan the Keely is going to be joining me to talk about everything and taking me on this week in survivor history quiz also plenty of other stuff coming up this weekend y Ronnie lost with Bloomberg just Louis plus the arch EP. BNB with the first lady of podcasting as well so we are back and firing on all cylinders cylinders in terms of survivor plus. We also have the aforementioned mask singer up newly ever watched the mast singer Taryn have not but I've heard of it. Is that anything that would interest you know you would have to be on it Tom. What have you heard rumor? Dan Geese Ling was one of the mass is getting you one of the masked singer people I mean I would watch. That'd be good get parts within in it yeah. What mask would he wear he would he would wear like Maybe like a Jason Mask the hockey mask okay you always talked about wanting to you know like like pulling off the mask at the end of a horror movie evict one of his allies like turns out it was meal yeah okay so that would be perfect for the massing of bringing in the big brother audience that hey they were watching reality tv on Wednesday nights and now they could be watching massing or Wednesday nights off against survivor. Yeah I heard that it actually it did really well pizza right. Look a lot of shows have beaten survivor but do they last they. Last American idol was beating the Pants off survivor at one point. I think that's maybe maybe it's it's less the individual shows and more just singing shows will just always beat survive. Maybe maybe WII for a while then people get tired of them yes yes. They don't have enough twists on the shells. Terrain is too many twists twist okay all right so that plus plus check out our big brother. Finale coverage from brant hosted our panel talking about the big brother twenty-one finale. If that's something that you are so inclined to look at Okay Taryn. Where can people see more from you here? Now as we approach the big brother off season you can find me on twitch twitch twitch dot TV slash turns strong. twitch is a streaming site. It's you know some people use it for gaming. I use is it mostly at this point that just hang out and chat with people just in a relaxed setting and and and Attaran is on instagram rising interest Armstrong yes okay and on twitter as well gosh on tune Armstrong Taryn all right thanks again to Scott saint-pierre for putting this all together a I will be back with you with

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Introducing The Human Algorithm

You Can't Make This Up

09:35 min | 1 year ago

Introducing The Human Algorithm

"Welcome to you can't make this up a companion podcast from net. Flicks. I'm revolt a host of you can't make this up this week. We're doing something a little bit different. How do you find your new obsessions? If you're like me, you ask your friends. And now, there's a podcast just for that. Allow me to introduce to you the human algorithm each week on the human algorithm, we curate recommendations from Netflix employees. Netflix stars and all your favorite people from around the World Wide Web, recently, we compile the list of true crime, documentaries that you don't wanna miss on networks, we figured you might want to add them to your watchlist to now. Here's the human author of them. This is the human algorithm with so many great titles on that books. We're here to help you pick. What to watch next in this episode? We've collected shows will make any true crime nerd super happy. Here at Netflix. We've got more than just making murderer for fans the true crime genre. We've got other documentaries are sleeve. Just for you. First. We have Adrian Seymour from ours. The new black recommending the staircase. Hey, my name is Adrian see more. But you know, me best as black Cindy over Hayes. The show that I'm watching on Netflix right now pretty much any documentary that they have I've been really into the crime show documentaries. So making a murder, I've been watching Khalif Browder the crime show that sticks out the most to me right now is the staircase because there are so many plausible explanations to what happened, and I don't know if you've watched or you know, what I'm talking about. But I really do think it was an owl like the guy who later came and said that you look at the markings on our school. It looks like she was scratched on her head by a Claude animal, and I think it was an hour as they have a lot of those kind of sightings in their town. So how many blows to the head would be made by this Trident form? And he said, Well, I I really don't know it's very unusual shape. And that's because. It wasn't blunt force trauma was made by the Al when you look at the wounds on Kathleen's head the Siri that a rapt better caused those wounds is pretty persuasive. I watched crime documentary. So I avoid them myself and my real life. But no, I didn't always watch crime documentaries as much as I didn't really watch prison, you know, shows, but I found them intriguing in terms of the figuring out, and, you know, working through a crime backwards, and you know, trying to bring Justice to the individual that was victimized, and I just love the puzzle aspect of it and the the Mays and the uncovering and the unfolding in the solving the clues and so forth and so on. So that's how I got into crime show documentaries to watch these crime shows, I think it depends on what you can stomach. I'm the kind of person. I can I can literally. On a Saturday watch sunup to sundown, you know on binge-watch. But then after watching so many I'll have to give myself a break, you know, for a few weeks or a few months because it is the emotional toll that they do take on. I think it's excellent storytelling. How the editors piece together the crime and the the clues and the evidence and how they sort of recreate the scenario and a really good editor would just leave you hanging. You know, like what really did happen? Hi, my name's yet HANA, and I am in trouble from here. I just watched the craziest documentary called objected in plain sight, which is amazing. It's absolutely insane. I watched it on a plane, and I definitely shouldn't don't watch it on a plane to watch it with friends watch it on your own because you're gonna rip your TV out of it. It's about this child that gets -ducted multiple times right in front of like the eyes of her parents. It's even crazier because this man is he's not a monster. He just is human being who was a master manipulator. I think the mother and the father really stuck out to me in this documentary, just because they go through psychological hell and the things that they do without even knowing what they're doing. I'm really trying not to say too much, but they do a lot of crazy things to kind of save their daughter. But at the end of the day, they're kind of hurting her even more, and they're just clueless about everything we weren't really shoe, even then what a child molester was, you know. And. I tell you. I don't know how we could have been so gullible. Well, this this documentary does have the interview element. You get to know the real people, which is harder to judge them. Because if this were to be a movie, it would it would just be too hard to believe, you know, this could actually happen to someone. But the fact that you have the real people they are just makes it so much more insane. They play out the whole story in a very cinematic ways that makes you feel like it's a movie in moments, and then they kind of slap you in the face with the real person. So you you don't get that chance of like, oh, this is fake. So that's kind of cool makes it so much more interesting. I think people should watch it. With a whiskey. The good whiskey or two or your choice of alcohol, really. And if you're not aged just I don't know just walk watch it with like a couple of water or something. But definitely don't like relax and sit back you you're going to be at the edge of your seat. The for the majority of the documentary. Hi, m Taryn manning, I played Penza Taki and. Well, I recommend that you should watch evil genius. Threes. A why I took to this particular documentary? It was very enlightening. It also disturbing and very morbid just how calculated and smart, hence, the title people people can be in just for how long they can get away with with such heinous murders in how they can sort recruit a wrangle others into their into their lifestyle, and by by manipulation and gas lighting, and and I think just diabolical narcissism. And for me, I love to learn. So though, it was very dark and very hard to watch. There's a learning lesson in it because these people are all around us. And and it just it just, you know, it just opens up your mind to like how does this happen to somebody? Is there a cure for this type of thing, you know, even down to the end this woman, just pleading dot her just a manipulation just? Don't stop in. And you just see just such a level of sickness, but this person still roaming, the planet working and thriving. And you're just it just it's fascinating. Like I said, but it's disturbing can have to be right. You know, there's some really tough parts to watch. But I thought it was very well made in that chronicle everything pretty accurately. And I it was just it was very compelling. Like, you just couldn't not watch it. I personally watched it all at once. Yeah. I recommend it even people that they know all of documentaries on like, I know you don't love documentaries out much. But like there's something about this. That's like beyond words in every single person that I told was like do were hooked. And they're, you know, one of my friends is watching it with all his guy friends, and they are all hooked, and I watched it alone. But you know, it's not like it's like a ghost is going to pop out and you have to be scared. It's really just wow. These people are actually are out there, and they live out there, and they get away with this stuff for so. So long. But my point is is like, I guess the good part about it is that all darkness does come to light. And that we can get away with in this life, even if it's thirty years from now, I mean, you know, if your life's crappy, and you just don't know why like maybe it's time to look at some of the things that you do or treat people or I don't know just don't say anybody's a murderer. But like it, you know, it all it all comes out. I love all these docs, make sure to Mark these shows down on your list, the staircase abducted in plain, sight and evil genius. If you want weekly themed recommendations made just for you subscribe to the human algorithm. Wherever you listen to this show. We'll be back soon with a new true crime interview for your listening. Pleasure. Don't forget to subscribe rate and review this podcast. All right. That's enough for now. Thanks for listening.

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Big Brother 21 Sunday Night Sept 22 HOH Part One Recap | Matt Hoffman

Rob Has a Podcast

1:41:53 hr | 1 year ago

Big Brother 21 Sunday Night Sept 22 HOH Part One Recap | Matt Hoffman

"Coveney who who live from my apartment Ed's rob has a podcast to now. Here's the guy who literally just got back from running into the other room. I'm Mike Jackson in h competition. I left some sound clips and I didn't have on the dropbox for tonight's show. I'm Rob Cicirino. Hello everybody final. big brother live show on a Sunday. You think we'd have it figured out now but now still a work in progress as was maybe tonight's episode but we've got a great panel to talk talk about it here with you tonight live in so let's bring in our panel of course a man who needs no introduction been with you all summer long along the Great Taranov starring her you. I'm doing great sad sure. Big Brothers told my idea but it's fine. I'm not bitter about it. Yes what was your idea. The game recaps. Oh Yes yes yes so you did it much much more in an entertaining painting fashion this weekend no yeah. I'm actually I was actually really. We'll talk plenty about the episode where they're actually pretty happy with with the fact that they were doing this. I I do them for a reason. I think it's fun to look back at the individual games across the season yeah he was a bit of a throwback to the older school big brother in terms of the way they might do that but speaking school big brother very excited to have with us again on the Sunday night before the finale the Great Mr Matt Hoffman Matt. How are you hey? Hey what's up everybody. I do need unlike Teheran. I do need an introduction as I share and no one knows those who I asked you. What season was this guy. Your Big Fan do Turkey goes. Yes everybody. Everybody knows a Matt from Big Brother. Nineteen who what happened here beard Raven died. Everyone's dead ravens that everybody. Oh it's real all right. We're very excited to have matt here with us to talk about this episode kind of a weird. The episode feels like they were trying to them. Stuff out tonight and we'll talk about if it worked if it didn't whether we would have preferred just to recap the recap here tonight so Hashtag our age. AP Get your questions in because then we can take a few questions tonight Taryn couple yeah think so all right so that's what's coming up here tonight so excited to be here with you Taryn. you know we haven't talked this through. We do have some some breaking news in regards regards to schedule for Wednesday night. Yes some exciting news. Okay here we go. Let's talk breaking the whole lot seeing that people can people here Matt in the Chat Room. Scott saint-pierre sent me a text text message. Matt is muted my good. I think you just yeah yeah. I can hear you hold on a new annex next message coming in from sky you hear them right Darren. I'm hearing yes. I'm seeing all right. Maybe maybe maybe a false alarm from US guys. I wasn't talking. I was interrupting yeah okay all right so Wednesday night very big finale night also survivor vermeer but we will have a special night of coverage for you that Taryn for the for the first time ever. I think Brent Walmart Glaucoma will be hosting the big brother finale recap God. What have we done huge news matt that is I yeah. I can't believe it. I mean I never expected that yeah so all right so rent will be hosting big brother finale recap as has Taryn Armstrong and myself will be in the big brother backyard to talk to Sixteen House Gas Mac. Can you believe it sixteen yeah. Oh what a treat we'll swaggie. CB there you go now why he might be in the in the building yeah. I don't think he's going to be here. They would have them do exciting. I I it is very very very exciting Attaran. You've been covering covering big brother for many many years. You've been with this cast every single day of the season one. Will it be like for you to finally be the in the big brother backyard with the sixteen houseguests. I think it will be very very strange that my childhood. Al`thood self will be like This is where you know. Qaysar and Kathy got into a fight you know this is where Reagan in in Rachel got into a fight lots of fights taking place in the backyard actually fell into the Pool Yup probably be looking for where certain shack shack was placed right now. It'll be interesting. Matt fought with mark also so lots of lots of stuff in my pickled. What did I do think that's right so anyways very excited so we will. We will have those we will. Not We live with the exit. Interviews will be recorded podcast and video to come and so we will have if people want to give some suggestions gestion for for questions to ask okay we will also Matt. Maybe we can workshops and questions tonight for the big broadcast. I think that'd be a great yeah. We probably have a lot of things to ask. Them probably have a lot of things that has a lot of a lot of inappropriate question. Yes well that'll be my job and then Taryn can ask them about about the game. I'm excited. I'm excited to be able to ask them specific questions about things all right. We'll get a couple of minutes out so oh. I don't know how far we can get all right so that's coming up on Wednesday also in the chat. Hey what's going on with survivor. Stephen even Fischbach is going to be live with Dhammika after the episode for people but I guess for you guys who listening to the podcast being lookout but he'll be they'll be live for all the people that don't care about big brother but that's not you guys 'cause you're watching Sunday night recap of a really weird episode okay all right so I guess tarrant talked me big picture of what did you think what they did here on this Sunday night. I like I said you know I actually liked the recap of their games. This is something that they have done a little bit in the in the past something I've always enjoyed they usually do it on kind of like the finale night and kind of go through like this season on big brother and then they run through the whole season usually from an overview perspective they they have gone back and done some more specific game perspectives but I feel like this is one of the more indepth versions we've gotten from the show and I do like it. I likes hearing from the players themselves how they view their own game moving throughout the season in some of the things that they have done and they feel that that were the most impressive things they've done so. I really liked Matt. What do you make of all this is like that. We've talked about this especially last season where it was like why. Why do we have a whole recap tonight and then we're GonNa Yada Yada the finale. We're going to see three parts of a competition. We're GONNA see no chance for the finalist analysts to talk to the jury. Everything is boom boom boom. Why don't we move some of this to this night where we have. I think they listen yeah. I don't know I don't don't like this stuff. I think it reminds me of I'm a consummate like Gog obsessed when I watch things like even if it's terrible I just have to stick with now like I won't fast forward through junky stuff and but the one thing that always fast forward through with on survivor when these like on the last episode and they'd like recap everybody's games I was horrible and all in comrades. You didn't like the rights of passage and don't want to hear about the fallen comrades. I've terrible. I don't like to like only like revisit all of the Junkin particularly like what Taryn said about the people explaining their games I mean I guess I just feel they're so disillusioned like I'd much rather hear Taryn. Rehash players is in them. I don't know it's irritating people and it's the whole thing is is like I don't want to hear any of that new stuff even like we used to do the recaps. At least we got at least it was like they throw in a little bit of new Google them goof around the table stuff too. I don't know this was no good. This is a real sinker for me. Yeah we had that we had the part one of the H H H we add a Diorama montage and we also had an interview with the final three from last season terrorists mash yes yeah what was it was very strange. I almost felt like they were going to do just the whole episode basically game recaps but then that ended about fifteen or so so minutes in and then we got you know an interview with the final three are from last year we got the diary montage which I think is the best part of the typical recap so that's good that that part survived. I guess and then Julie was kind of the host of instead of like like a Derek or something. She finally didn't look like a total goof. She actually Kinda. Hinder dress was normal and everything I feel like we're all have not like this was like our slot. It was just a mishmash smashed junk don't together. We were forced to eat for an hour terrible yeah. No it's weird. I mean this was definitely recorded on Thursday right. Taryn yes so apparently they taped the eviction a little bit early so that they could film this after Matt. Do you think that Julie the record it like a congratulations holly on winning part one the H. or do you think congratulations nations. Nicole on winning part one of the competition and they just like whatever whoever won. They just aired that one absolutely what they must've done right. I mean there's no other alternative around that so yeah. They must've fit this. All in the feeds. Were down for a while right on right on Thursday nights Aaron. Yes they're down for a while personally if I were if I were Julie I would have just refused to record any line other than Nicole. You have one parts one and three of the final three wage. Sorry guys who is going to have to make it fit. I don't know all right well. We'll we'll talk about the comps and then also we'll get into everything from the live feed spoilers of part two of the H. H. O. H. later later on in the show. I guess this is more organized already than the CBS thing we just sat through you just laid out like a nice clear plan plan and it made sense and everything nice orders sink to it. What what do we sit through man. This is Ted. This is the worst of all the at least the recap of the recap a We have fun with it. It's so it's so terrible that this was sort of like you know. Neither we have a celebrity injection like we didn't have a musical performance but did anyone visit our entire did anybody who visit nosy Marlena. BB WREKSA WE basically brought back. Maybe lovie radic visited visited true. Caitlyn came to the house at one point. Come on guys trying to think yeah. Could they not get anybody. I mean we didn't even see met. Bob and Osceola host a veto competition this fall yeah his young. Sheldon Jones Sheldon is still is still on GonNa come on Yeah Patricia Heaton didn't even come in to promote promote her and her new show on CBS Sheryl Crowe no-show no Sheryl Crowe for like sixteen years ago or whatever it feels like mere months ago for us it was it was waiting for my call those two cops. CBS If you're tuned in that would you be willing to host the jury roundtable. Who would oh boy would. I I'd do it for free. Pay Them those actually get put out an offer. Cbi Oh anything whatever what have you taken it all take more and I'll do your I've hundred dollars you pay five hundred dollars diamond power veto yeah okay all right so we saw a little bit of game talk terrain where it seemed like we saw both Jackson also known as Mickey he and Holly Both Pitching Nicole on taking Nicole to or Nicole taking them to the the final two in in this episode and Nicole talking about she definitely wasn't going to be she wasn't going to be fooled by Mickey. Yes it's not you're going to play a clip. I'm GonNa play so yet that Julie set this up though because she said that four Nicole she does does not want to be in the house with a showman's in fact. This was her worst nightmare. Call was faced with her worst nightmare being left alone in the House with Mickey they haven't they been drilling all season with Nicole's worst nightmare birds yes. That's a good point needs. You're right. What are we supposed to believe. There is an old buzzard. Yes yes yes old Buzzard Holly One yes. I'm holly from Wyoming Yeah. Yeah just holly from the backwoods Wyoming Allio twenty four. That's it. That's just backwoods holly. Is this a new thing that she's added to that. Back Woods Wyoming. I haven't heard it before yeah typically. It's Wyoming yeah she going about Wyoming. What does that mean what she insinuating weightings. The hills have eyes like rednecks. Sa- what do we what do we get. Is She trying to play for America's favorite player layer the rejecting she's from backwoods Wyoming. Is that even a thing. I I'm googling backwards right right now and I'm having trouble finding any kind of victor show up. Even urban urban dictionary is telling me something different yeah okay all right we got into the Games of the three players and I wonder whether revisionist history going on with either era Jackson or hollies game. We're trying to portray them. In a more positive light. I definitely was interested in watching this because in in big brother there's typically not much. Djik to it takes place live and so it's hard to sort of get a read on who is doing well on who's doing poorly but obviously the producers know or at least have a sense of where the jury might be leaning and so. I was trying to read into that as we watched these these these packages and I definitely got the sense that that Jackson's was meant to prop him up as the strategist the game player that he played aggressively that he played well that he you know I got into a grateful and I did that on purpose to lower my target and my my my Jackson voices is not quite off. DEPAR- because I've been doing game recaps for the last two mornings but it's GonNa be alright. Jacksonville is probably off because I've been yelling at my kids all weekend again big brother but I've just I've just been yelling fans or something yes. It really does number on my impressions well so Jackson's definitely felt like it. It was him describing the I played the game. I did really well hall and in terms of revisionist history. I actually felt like the way that he described. His game wasn't all that bad. He talked about doing what he needed to do. he did mention you know once. They broke their words. My my word meant not yet that point which of course is this similar sort of thing that that is getting him in trouble with cliff. I don't think it was as bad as it was. When cliff was actually there for the most part I felt like Jackson. Jackson was in all right game recap hollies though was I mean it felt. It felt like they were reaching right like I'm not the only one that felt that way right. It was like yeah and so I I knew cat that was nice and I talked to people and I was in alliance and then I was with Mickey Win Win. You know then things with Mickey got weird and then they weren't weird anymore and then my relationship grew with Mickey and then Mickey saved me and we were together to save me and then I wasn't on the block for a long time but then I was and then Mickey helped me after that and it just felt like there was a lot of Mickey and there wasn't a lot of Holly in-in Jackson's I will say the one thing I think that sort of got got overlooked which I think probably the the biggest point in the game for them was then the whole day forty four thing tarrant she. She was really good that night. I feel like that sort of gotten lost in the shuffle of that he was floundering he was talking to Jack. Cat was about to spill the beans. She came out and just flat out like absolutely FM NOT. I don't know anybody. I don't know what he's talking about she. She cleaned up that whole mess. I will say that that's the best thing I could say about high. I agree. I think that was the best moment of game I talked about it. During the game recap unfortunately Lee she wouldn't have had to do any of that if she just hadn't nominated her closest ally in the house. That would have been a nice way to avoid all of that. Yes yes matt at the this final three. Do you have any thoughts on them. As somebody who studied the game been there yes yeah. I mean it's taking a showman romance. The final three is bad news. It's bad news. Why would you do that. Why would this how did this. How did it get to this. We had so many showman's as they have been so easy to split apart throughout the season. It seems like such foolish game play that they deserve to win and done necessarily want certainly not highly Jackson. IC is deserved more so than anyone else. Yes I guess but it's just like it's sad that it got to this because then what happens is this encourages show. Manson's more as if we needed more of that and then next season everyone's going to want to be in a show again because they can do it. Look at works and we don't want to see that working want to see it always failing so people stop doing this. Show mention yeah I one of the things that was interesting. Taryn was the the Jack in Jackson's going back to visiting that Jackson talked about how that both him and Jack around the block together two times and both times that Jack was the person who's GonNa be able to buy it was almost like in a normal house you would have had just one of those guys and they would have gone home but but somehow in this house he had to those guys and Jack was able to actually have a meat shield in any other house. He's the shield but somehow in this house because Jack was there. He was able to hide yeah and you know it's not for nothing as well that when Jackson and Jack Round the block together the first time one of them would have gone home. If not for the diamond power amassed power via strikes again power veto bland people yes yes. He's as well as I used it but I mean diamond veto was used to take out Kathy and Bella to masterminds of the game yeah so you come back as a power duo like the slade for next season so Taryn. This all came down to that. They put these twists. Listen there because of the twist. That's how we ended up in this situation. I mean I think certainly the first half of the game. It kept the the big lion's together for as long as it did camp comeback the entire veto various. Things kept things stable for Jackson. He certainly was helped by the diamond power veto during that week but he won the he won the veto anyway he would have been saved. regardless of the diamond power beat the thing is that Jack would have gone home. The game would have looked very different so I wouldn't necessarily fault Jackson's game in particular for that particular moment but there are other instances throughout the season where he certainly benefited from holy's relationship with cats in a very weird an incestuous way but but for the most part I think the Jackson's game is one of the cleanest in terms of this season overall benefiting from twists or from pre existing relationships. Okay Matt. Let's talk about I thought this was kind of a weird eared concept that went for it's kind of a roundtable with the final three from last season. Okay Big Brother Twenty. Let's let's bring in the Winter Casey Tyler. JC to to talk about what's going on and this really went nowhere. Yes well listen at a personal level. I've had varying degrees like like my communication with the three of them. spans a whole spectrum like tyler. is obviously. I will never speak to me is untouchable. He's tallies from Tanja like no yeah. There's no business speaking to me zero. JC when I was in New York for the BBB premier up to him to say hello and he thought it was a fan Zhiyi Extra Jaycees kind of the middle and how did you respond. How did you I. I very grateful. I wasn't fam. You wasn't wrong. I quickly. I'm a fan yes so and then we moved. KC you see on the other hand was like room is in the in the Big Brother Halfway House that we were all put up in in Brooklyn and she was actually so so affable and friendly yeah yeah you really these three across the board a lot of different opinions on the mall tonight's kind of what I would expect out of all of them. Honestly I sort of understood. JC Tyler was on another planet as usual and KC analog. Things say maybe you're still you know people. Don't pay attention. I don't think but if you really do she's tax through Waco with. All three could see like judge like that. It seems like a weird call to me to go with the final three from last season. I mean I think it's I think it's the final three because we are at the final donald three so it's one final but really at all okay L. Final three what what do you. What should you be doing right now. What do you like it will. It was a highly edited. They didn't segment that may have been question that was asked and they just didn't get an answer that they've found very interesting yeah so more we need more. Dan Kiesel Derek sear John. Can we bring them back to to analyze something. Is your material excessively. I and I liked what am I doing. I you for the roundtable right picking AMIS night. Would I would've loved to do the roundtable Casey Tyler Jason Megyn. You and let's bring on hustling for CBS viewers. Yes okay well. It's puzzles later but uh-huh Taryn. I thought it was so weird. Also that Julie first off she really hated the move the two Vo Tommy Out. She talked about it again and she's like guys. What in what world was a good idea devoted out Tommy. Why would anybody think that was a good idea. It was like the easiest easiest slam dunk. Never they're really pushing this like on social like I think it was a facebook post. That was making fun of cliff about this like they're they're making. I'm sure to bring it up like slam him in his interview multiple times bring it up to make sure that Casey Tyler and JC all make fun of him for it and they they really for the people that think that that production wants Jackson to win this thing I guarantee you. They really wanted Tommy in really mad. Added cliff allowed Jackson. Yeah so met. I also thought it was really weird that there was all this talk about like. Oh Nick that how what is Nicole doing. She went to the final three with a show mance. Isn't that like the dumbest thing ever and I felt this was. We're a couple of levels levels of tyler. I believe if I recall was in a showman's and the winner. Casey wasn't it her plan to also go to the final three with a show. Oh mance you're right. I'm I have no memory of like yesterday. Let alone last season but now that you say that you're absolutely right. That's really weird that that worked out out what's key wrench that J. C. through in by winning the final four H. Turn Yeah. There's very much the case so weird haired right like what what Moron would would think going to the final three with a showman's is a good idea now the one the prison won the game on but I don't think we should take that isolated incident like that's an anomaly situation typically. It is a bonehead move. I would say nine times out of ten more than that probably would not want to do that. That just happened. That did happen workout well yeah. It was just turned. No context between here are three people and there was no mention of anything that happened in big brother twenty. It was just like what are these three people think about. What's going on now with you. I mean I it felt. It felt like they hyped it up and then it was very very short. It felt like I duNno. I Dunno if they didn't get what they wanted out of this but I I don't either. It felt weird. It felt weird how short it was and how and that's that's all. We've gotten from these three yeah. Julie Chen is now like a Pulitzer a prize winning journalist either their questions are never typically hard hitting so I mean we expect anyway. We expect nothing less from a typical Julie Chen interview. You know yeah. Do you think they were hoping that the Big Brother Twenty three drag the big brother twenty-one final three a little bit. I don't think so on I only say this because is our of knowing of people who've done these hokey bullshit stage interviews. Would you each annual mid-season from what I my understanding is this is all very like before even get to CBS like at home. You've email your questions and your answers is just so fucking so I that's why I don't think I think no. I think they knew exactly what they were getting yeah. Yeah Valerie in the chats. Jaycee said on twitter it was like Jerry Springer Tara into this was boring episode of Jerry Springer Real quick like it was it was a big Bayton switch because he said that he posted a screen shot. It was like him pointing. It looks like and it must have been just like an innocuous. I mean that's the thing though like whenever I've seen JC in an interview like he is usually very fun like he is is usually like poking fun at the like. He's the kind of person that would have been like Casey. Didn't you take your show Manson the final three you dummy. I wonder if they just cut a lot of that out. Yeah I feel like that. Maybe that's why they had him. They are also. They felt like okay well. He's going to like spice up the segment with some of his classic. JC `ISMs a I thought he only said one thing that was funny. JC I'm very surprised Jackson made it all the way he was gay. Not right after yaks yeah you you remember the act. You must have been a lot. I liked also. I thought the JC look good. I I liked what he did with his hair also and it was good that was Ed. What do we call that. I don't know it's like I don't know thinking I shouldn't say yeah who said it was like she was like long curly at the long curly at the top but then also like complete like over like a really high fade. I like doing his own thing. He's doing the JC. Where Steve Do you think even asked me to come this Summer Steve. You've maybe for finale. No Yeah Yeah Summer Steve Two thousand eighteen I mean they wasted all the time with the proposal. Why not spend some time this season talking to Stephen a little bit see what he's up to what he wants to do. Good get him to come in talk about that. Time was an undercover cop last season and now he's here so tell us about what he's spotting in the Big Brother House. WE'LL STEVE COMING UP NEXT. What happened is Yak Jack and the Akerson. That's ethical Mickey Hart to say Okay then predictions across the board. Casey likes Nicole to win Tyler. The the whole tyler is better. Predictions is is a big thing yes. He's given his track record at predicting things he's going to predict Jackson's. GonNa win. Yes seems like he was trying to put put that curse on him. Yes I think so. I've done that also that it was tip my cap the title. It's a classic move where I'm so bad at picking the the winner sometimes I will I will. I think I did this with Joey amazing last season. Everybody said Joe is going to watch this much this winter pick. I didn't even know that was that was the tyler move so you put the put the jinx on somebody you're still pioneering reality show strategy uh-huh and then J. C. Holly was GonNa Win Weird. One feel like these are things that are just kind of like this and when you pick this Jason. I'm sorry you're left with yes. Do you think that we will see come October. Thirty first that holly will throw a the big Halloween party in backwoods Wyoming and invite all of the big brother contestants to come and appear. She'll call it. Holly Weenie weaned right. Is She doing that and take over the mantle of Halloween shoot better. Not I'm in big invite me to go probably not Steve Either Summer Steve Yeah okay so that was that was was it for the Big Brother Twenty final three so yeah no no mention hey what's going on. What are you guys up to these days. what are you influencing our dogs you hawking yes. They never do those like catching up with the previous houseguests anymore. I Yeah I guess I guess it'd be like what are you holding the phone up and fought for me Taryn to touch hot stove but they didn't even throw like hey. Hey tell you you Angeles still together like I feel like that. You would think that we would get a check in. I was tangible Angela more thing like after the show ended than it was on the thing on the show. I remember always thing. It's a huge thing like a huge thing. I don't know why they're not talking about on the show. Yeah I love so bad bad job by big brother bedrock okay all right so a we end up with an we're going to go ahead and talk about Diarrhea Montage Matt. You have any fun diary room stories. You can share with US Matt Fun dyers. I found it. I think they went through probably little every single house guests for the crying thing I just I don't know I didn't feel that emotional of a of of a place in the diary room. Every single house lost in there. Yes it's just a little tiny. I don't know it's not like a soothing. I don't know man I don't get it. You never cried riding. The diary room never cried and the dire. Here's an here's a dire story that is maybe not funny at all. I guess it depends on your sense of humor. I'm GonNa do this rob. It's not bad edge so it was a time when I don't know that I've ever told this new how exclusive from it might be it was time desire when it was. It was my like sad week. When I played the worst game and I was like I'm going home and I deserve it and and at the time Kathy and Rachel were in we're we're injury outside joining Catherine Rachel which was which was my nightmare is like my bird and and so I was talking to Reagan and I was I was like Oh my God I mean it gets a jury house. I'm just going to hang myself when I get there and I had called into the diary room and they were like hey. We need to make sure you're okay. Why would not be okay and they're like you know you've said some weird things over. I'm like so they really like certain thought which is like in a way kind of Nice crazy if they give clubby who wouldn't have these kinds of insane thoughts in your joining Rachel and caffeine the jury yeah well. I think that was really surprised. They even gave a shit too obvious. Sousse off the cuff. They took it literally good people in there. I'm sure that I'll scumbags. Nelson who knows who knows shame. They didn't have the diary are your room. Montages were during twelve they would have been talking about. I'M NOT GONNA kill myself at the no seriously though I don't actually plan on hanging. It's all right. We saw a bunch of highlights here in diarrhea and a montage we have it's very formulaic Taryn. We get silly silly. We get crying. We get cursing. We run the table of all human emotions and we also get so we what what's the adjective yes yes. We got to the buggers. That was cool a lot of that actually yeah a lot. It's like really hot people. Are It just ugly ugly. You know I love. I love and how people get okay man. I have a question here so we saw a moment where cat in the diary they were room. She talked about how she was. She was like reaching down and she was going to be taking holly's tissues and she said the that was okay because he's my man stealing her Kleenex. Okay a throwback to a lot of people might not remember this but in the beginning of the season cat was initially with Jackson also known as Mickey and then holly came in and then cat got kicked to the curb and then holly took over now. I that was very funny that that was in their second. Do you have like a like a cubby hole in in the diary room. Do you have to keep like personal effects in the diary room when I was there. We only thing was there. As the left there was like a box of of makeup sponges and then like pub thing of powder and then when you go in they'd be like hey get your sponge powder your face and everyone expunge than a little ziplock bag so holly in her bag had she must say. Kleenex which is like. We've never add extra items or anything. It was just the powder puff spoiled nowadays with Kleenex cenex probably ZANEX stuff. Wow everybody has like a little like receptacle of of things. This is all diary room reveal show tonight. Yes sir. This cue tips a whole. I can't tell anymore. I've said a too much. Yeah wow a lot going on okay. Do you think they'd be able to fit watermelons in the bags possibly tired tired. You have any other favorite moments from the diary montage. I I loved Christie. It's like I don't want anyone that think of trying to turn this over especially loved it because Melissa. Melissa always thought all season long fake crying all the time now you can't. You can't fake that Matt. No how can you cry fake that okay This was my favorite moment from the diary montage and going back to one of one of my favorite house. Guest season in this is Sam. This is by the way the music is a little Mrs. I've been having dreams about my wife like the past couple of nights I love saying. I feel like nobody likes him. I loved him. Yeah totally totally like not matching the tone of the music that was why did did we get to hear more about. Sam's dreams about his wife fund drink. Christie is too busy talking about her fundraising dreams. Jack I think was the problem it was almost. It was almost like somebody like some assistant. Editor queued this clip up for the dad montage because when he says I've been dreaming about my wife it sounds really sad but then the editor of the picked it up like got the part where at the end where he said Fund Funds Dreams just Kinda stuck the whole thing and soaps wrong wrong portion wrong segment uh-huh so yeah wow sam's Sam's dreams about is what does that ever come up on the feats Taryn her call crazy jury last night low love to hear the same. Am Stories okay. Maybe we'll ask him on Wednesday. If we could get get into that we want to hear more about cliff life before before the wife okay all right then we ended up going into our big competition big Indiana Indiana Jones Theme Competition Taryn. Yes very unlike pretty much any part one of the final three H we've ever seen this is very very historically always been an endurance competition where they hang onto something or stand up on something or whatever it it was. They did a really weird one in eighteen but apart from that it's it's that was still pretty much. Just an endurance competition this was more akin to the slip inside endurance competition where it's just a bunch of people running back and forth watch yeah now. Would you think of this. I mean big set design big setpiece yeah in the scheme of part one ages. I would say and this is probably up there. It was kind of Super Mario Brothers the house or Castle sorta thing and I thought it was cool. Well it it. It engaged elements of puzzle. If you know activity run around like that so it was good as far as h wages go very kind of well-constructed constructed visually was quiet dog yet okay we went back and forth. I mean there was not a big mental component to it here and there it was a big big puzzle. That was a big big like foam posited the deal yes so like survivor. Challenges often have like an obstacle course ending with a difficult puzzle as sort of the equalizer the thing that matters the most is the puzzle this was like the exact opposite of that where they gave them a fairly easy Z. Puzzle it wasn't it wasn't the most easy puzzle but it wasn't like a crazy difficult puzzle either and then after the puzzle they were like and now just to make sure that the puzzle doesn't doesn't matter at all run back and forth twenty five times right right but they really tried to milk this drama of between Jackson and Holly Proving Matt that Hey anybody that's saying if it's if it's Jackson Holly in the end. It won't be riveting. You got a taste of that tonight. Stakes couldn't have been higher. This is obvious right so that even the casual viewer. I feel speed yeah well. They went. They went back and forth it was. I really meant something for Holly Ali to be Jackson here tarrant but Mickey had an ace in the hole. He's he's been practicing. Houses are not as easy they look on TV but my Mama Jackson and Mama loved doing puzzles Taryn Erin Hey. Why do you think he loved being side by side with Holly. Doing the puzzles reminded him of Old Times Yeah. What kind of puzzles today do I wonder me and my boy Jackson. We get a five hundred one thousand one thousand piece puzzle we we. We put that some bitch together as a great time again we have an ice cold water melon after two watermelon puzzle yeah puzzle stool yeah so the Jackson name just putting putting a puzzle together. It's mother son bonding time they finally finish. It's a puzzle. It's it's of a stool. Mommy what why stool. I don't understand while Jackson it's time to tell tell you about the birds and the bees would hope begins comes full circle. The circle of life so Jackson is closing gene on winning and again. He's he's. He's doing it for somebody Mama. Have you interviewed his mom. I feel I can get her on here for. I wish gotten tonight yeah. I've been a good one to have in for yeah so doing doing it for Mama thermometer. Yes here's a dad right. Is that that you were like yeah. Okay right yeah good good family that can you recall another big brother houseguests. That was so much about parents or mom. You probably have a sound clip. I'm thinking that that was might be laying off the finger on the button for that one the bureau so okay so bb twenty two pair okay so we kathy and Bella Frankie J Grind Day. Hey with tea Mama Frankie in Jackson Nalen these payroll get them. Dan Derek to just wipe everybody out of right. Turn Frankie Grunt. They talk that much about his mom. I feel like a lot about sister yeah it was my sister but we do have the sound clips that matters the sound clip is actually from when. Paul left the House to go be on candy crush man the podcast that you were not from big brother. She's wearing a diaper was any at that time I think he was like flu in like fairy wings from my case cable. Okay so aw congratulated Nutri congratulations to Jackson wins part one of the H he comes in the house and and then goes to the sink insist something odd Taryn. Can you explain what what Jackson Mickey is talking about here. John what smells like vegetable. Bouillon self smell like vegetable Bouillon. We are was there. I'm kind of assuming that was that was the case. I'm wondering if he was without his deodorant and I yeah I didn't didn't wasn't able to use it in in places and so therefore smelled vegetable. Is that a good smell. I feel like they might not be bad smells house. Get Right. Is that the Super Eight. It's a vegetable vegetable soup yeah right right right so weird weird but okay. I don't know what the point is. Jen and the chances the drain could the sink of smelled like vegetable Bouillon I mean I don't think so I don't know who is there like a like a slime pit that they fell then maybe was that was there vegetable. Bouillon that you would fall into. I don't think so there's a very distinct smell like of all the things exist. I don't know that I know the smell of vegetable yeah. I don't Know No. Let's take some questions. We'll say questions from the anything else from the episodes made something out of nothing. They're back and talk about everything we just yeah recap of recapping Kip we may vegetable Bouillon at of leftover cucumbers on all right. Let's take some questions where's gallagher when you need him to come in and Smash More Balanced Matt Gallagher Fan. Did you like when Gallagher showed up on big brother celebrity. Did anybody like that the American I still talking about ninety. Yes came in remember. We said the Big Brother House Phillips on this is for real knee slappers of this generation okay from Rebecca's. She said I just asked my seventeen year old son if he'll shout me out for our co puzzle hustle of if you ever make some greg this Taryn what what other activities do you think that Jackson and Mama due to pass the time hustles puzzles what else picking how how to pick watermelons make sure firm and tight so not to loose rain anything like that you do. You think that maybe they make confetti is that maybe another act like arts and crafts activity. The Confetti is far too revered in the Mickey Household. is to be made. Willy Nilly like that Willy Nilly or Willie Nelson they play chess and checkers. There's a lot which I really prefer a lot of a lot of checkers because that's that's they play a lot of checkers while they play some chess and when they win they get just one piece of Confetti just one piece and then they hold that Confetti and they add it to their collection of Confetti and and Someday Jackson hopes to have a full full thing of confetti and he's really hoping that big brother will help him achieve. She bedroom okay all right. This is a from Korean comfort gets you killed. It's a new Jackson say that a lot was in the episode you are you saying that during the competition yeah. I Like Comfort Matt all totally. That's why I came in seventh place latest. Yeah you'd rather die in comfort than live and discomfort yea mosquitoes yeah yeah shorter question would you rather but he constable answerable and die or would you rather be uncomfortable and live all right. Travis was is Jackson the best player in competitions of all time you've thought on this he's good. I like dog. ALMA frank comes to mind frank from fourteen. I remember being real good camps me. You know they come. They come every season. They're kicking off a male yeah. We'll let me give you. This is what Eric steadily we did. The Summer Stein season finale. We did the awards for for two thousand nine hundred big brother twenty-one ver- Evergreen content. You can go back and listen at any time this week. It's going to be just as relevant today as it was on Friday so that Eric said you know what this a player that could win every competition and every season but there's an in Eric Stein or an and e or any number of players that vote that personnel on week three yeah. I feel like I feel like what usually happens. In the end game is that one player does start winning more four of the competitions but typically. There's still a decent mix of competitions. A lot of crap shoot competitions mental competitions where the field is pretty even because the questions are pretty easy and so one person starts to win them for the most part but but big brother has never really been the game where you need to get out there and because the competitions in the endgame aren't that winnable however something that have been talking about is that in recent seasons especially this one a lot of these competitions have had a very very very physical aspect to them like after doing your puzzle do twenty five laps around the hang yard over an obstacle course and I think that is why you're seeing Jackson. When all of these competitions even somebody as somebody like? Nick right was able to give Jackson a run for his money when Nick Nick was still in the house in physical competitions. I think it's just Jackson in comparison physically to his opponents that is making look so dominant Taryn. It's almost like somebody at big. Brother watched big brother Canada five and saw Kevin Martin dominate all the quiz and then I walked in. You won't believe this. You will believe what what guy we got to change everything that somebody could be Louisville. beat the system. Somebody found the the hack. He's GonNa the we can't. Let's get Kevin Martin here. Get rid of all the quizzes it really really by studying it. Does it's the opposite of Big Brother Canada with the same problem where big brother Canada is to winnable because the questions are too hard in the people that notice study from at the beginning will just always always beat the people who don't study in big brother. US It's almost worse now because physically. There's nothing that you can do to get on the same footing as somebody like Jackson. If you are Nicole other than you know go back in time five years and start working out really hard and jazz narrates so Assam. It's going to be an issue matt. What will you do to train when you go back to big brother I'm still backing that comfort thing much trading. I feel like I can I can't do I did. I do better than I did. Last time I think but no no training rob does a big brother. You know summer right. Oh you're living in the past. It's a different game now. It's different game name name name. I don't WanNa see you be early. That's why maybe I should maybe I should who should Jesse Goddard's considered crossfire no rob. That's a bit much. You considered it but maybe maybe travis. We got this rather question or should we get into the lights. Okay this cop on nickelodeon unloaded Phillips's Yeah Okay. Has Anybody ever cried in the Dr Yeah Matt Hoffman Yeah Yeah Crazy Yeah. We didn't get to talk to you about what we check. In with the jury you spent time in jury house in Big Brother Twelve. I had a unique experience I would say yes. Yes so unique well night one. No one wanted me to sleep anywhere near them so they turn the study of the house in two wheeled wheeled rollaway bed in their isolate myself and I had I had just this little I was my bedroom became the library or this study of this house so I was kind of ostracized in the big brother. Jerry yeah okay. They were afraid that you're you're lying was angry about the whole is bitter bidder people these people were that's much likeness all with Tommy and Christie that you took everybody inside to ever reveal reveal that you're told people in the House that your wife suffering from a debilitating illness. I feel like people were more shocked. Entire view Jio biologists a little bit probably the whole time thick your strategy. If it was revealed that you were lying in your strategy would have been well. You know what it's your guys fault. I would never have lied about my wife. If you hadn't lied to me I yeah what do you do. What do you do for you. Call Andrew Andrew is almost not Samir. Did you consider after watching this season twelve matt when when you were up on the block in big brother twelve consider telling people you're big secret in the house like Tommy Debt. That would have been disastrous Ed. Hey can I come up here. This is one thing real quick. This is really funny. I should say we like you know what he's a jury. We go now at some point. I feel like if you're drawing dead like you'd see that would shift when I was on big brother kind of started. I think it really we started going to save with like Spencer. I think he was the first like really true. That just like got pulled not saying he got pulled it away. He wasn't competent but like where he was totally accepting. I don't think before that we had someone who's like. I'm the Guy I'm GonNa be your block guy and then I know I'm safe and I'm cool and it doesn't matter that was a suspense. He's fifteen things so and now we see them a lot. It's cool but we're not I didn't have that back then and in a way would have been a total you're right. It would have been such a solid move to be this. Is this GONNA cause. Why not man can you help us make sense about Ah Nick Macaroni on the season and he would be Jaycox Smith in this season of all the people right CONNEC. What's crazy can Jackson comeback bigger towards the biggest twist of the season. Is a ladies man ladies and she gets her to burn steal boyfriends. Whatever mischief girl yeah like a month later. He's humping the Broadway then that guy's guide now. He's a this is crazy nick. He's got the Gucci Hair Yeah Net. I feel like that you could potentially pull off. The Nick. Look seriously considered growing out bang refreshing. I the thing that you have it. I'm saying that if you wanted to you could get there. I don't want to off do that and I guess he's about big brother. Get Says Oh oh you shouldn't know these fans controls will try and get you fired from your job like how it Knicks GonNa get himself fired from his own job who would therapist right client. It does that guy to help me a lot of acclaim talent Nick Nick Therapist first thing. I want you to teach me everything you know. I don't know nick up his own spin off the Nicobar. He's going to be the next next. Nick got a big brother with his with his own. TV Show Matt. Do you think it will work for Nick in cat outside the house. Oh totally of course rob marriage children in jeopardy yes but you don't think that nick will be tempted when he meets all of the other big brother alumni. He's giving Julie Agenda when the Confetti is falling making out there in the corner. We go victimless. She's GonNa get busy. He's got the Miss People by the way this is the midst okay Yeah Nick. The must yeah okay all right here. We go for all this. Happy Talk to some live feeds. Should we do that. Let's see all right. Let's Talk uh-huh okay so just this part two of the of the final H H we do that now. If you're gonNA leave us then then. I guess he'll be back on Wednesday night. When Brent is going to be a hosting our coverage of the big brother twenty-one finale so be looking for that that's going to be on Wednesday night. Live at eleven fifteen pm eastern time and then shortly thereafter after Attaran and I are going to come back and we'll post the interviews from the big brother backyard as well so be on the lookout for that and then before we get to alive feeds spoilers. Let me take a moment thank our sponsor for this episode of the podcast those our friends over at a S. The auto insurance specialist is you might be noticing that you car insurance rates. Keep creeping up and now there's finally some you can do about it. It's called. Ai asked they are the auto insurance specialists these these they're smart quote technology to shop the rates of dozens of insurance companies in just a few seconds. 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They've been disrupting the insurance industry for over fifty years so head on over to a I s insurance dot com slash rob all right and everybody else. Let's do our our big brother twenty-one lifebeat spoilers but the last time of the season the office of Civil Defense has issued the following message this this is the spoiler spoiler warning means that an actual spoiler against this country has been detected and protective action should be taken spoilers spoilers all right tearing Nicole at the end of the episode. She calls shot calls a shot here. Mickey one part one but hey don't worry because Nicole is coming for part to. I'm not bringing with Ivory Hawley. He's in for a rude awakening when I'm like I know in my so we'll happy will. Why don't you manifest the truth Bro. Yeah unfortunately she was. It's not manifesting the truth because she did not win. Part two of the final three h apparently league so it it was the competition that we normally see partout here that they were climbing wall and answering questions about days. There's some speculation that she might have had some kind of panic attack up on the wall up like that she was very nervous about the climbing and do not agree with her. It's almost as if being in the House with the show. MANCE is not in fact her worst nightmare. You know what what maybe she climbed the wall saw bird up there and was like. Oh my God I can't escape. This is no good serious question. What is height wise. What is Holly. We have on Nicole because the thing went climbing. That's an advantage. I would say that much taller tally seem taller but maybe I think I think holly is a bit taller area but holly said she was flying up and down the wall. Nicole not not so much. you know we saw was going to be a day's competition. We thought that was GONNA be the deal breaker for holly that this was going to be Nicole's in but matt when a competition should win part apart here she well I mean I think she has a play. I think I think she can make her way into final. Two if Jackson has the choice because she has to play on Jackson's probably biggest Achilles heel which is his libido and if she can somehow have sex with him in the final days of the show man then and this is okay okay then he'll take her well. I guess let's let's just talk this through because you know as as Dan Geese. There's always there's always a way Karen always go away and I don't know if this is it I if Jackson the heat that Clifford said the only thing that that is the the Jackson love more than watermelon was women couldn't Nicole throw herself at at Mickey here. Oh you know this but I mean look if you make your dream. What if she just made a highly jealous. Is that possible very possible. This actually is all she needs to do is hide. The stool and and holly will ask Jackson where the stool is and there's no and then I think she'll start to be suspicious yeah. How `bout this Taryn because we don't really matter you know how the stool is used to that. You don't have to describe it but no I. I honestly I'm curious about that. Maybe people in the chat like rob you. You naive fool. I know what they need the stool for I don't really know I don't know what was it is it. A foot stall stole where it's like a bar stool. What's the level. Do we talk about like knee height ish yards. The mall stole so it might have been like a foot prop. Could it have been inserted anywhere okay well. What about this tower. Okay okay. We'll hear me because we're we're workshop and stuff what what if Nicole Tampers with the stall and then hypothetically like you you know like loosens one of the legs slippery surface. Maybe somebody has like a medical evacuation before the final two well here. Here's Nicole is Kohl's plan was. She said is that on her way out of the house. She wants to take this tool with her and then when Julie Julie asks her why she has the stool. She'll say well being all alone. It's it's pretty clear. I've got this because I asked myself. Yeah say something to you. Know Comfort is is like death. Can I say something that maybe maybe might make the make the all of us who are rooting for Nicole. Maybe feel a little bit better as Aaron Church. Okay hypothetically. Let's just play this out now okay. They keep Tommy the keep Tommy and he throws the Final Four H. O. H. so this is Tucker through it. Tell me tell me if I'm off base here okay and so oh and now the final four is Jackson Nicole Tommy and cliff and now somehow enough. Tommy is going to beat Jackson at the the Final Four H. O. H. and they're and they're going to evict Jackson and now here. We have wear now. Tommy's probably I. I Guess Code Win One of those parts. I'm just saying that. Do you feel like the Nicole could beat Tommy. If she got to the end I mean any the Tommy's winning a couple of Tommy's winning one of these parts so right and I mean you know if she keeps telling me really in reality. Jackson's still probably wins the final Donald for Vito. He said he was going to evict cliff. I personally think he would've then she's in the final theory with three and five hundred final three with Jackson and couldn't could eat. Tom Bentley locked out even if she does make to the final three with with cliff. She does still need to be whoever it is in part three. We don't know what part three would have been. I think she would have been a better chance at winning part three short. We're talking about like you know chances here and all at the end of the day. Hi this is what I talked about she she needed to win more competitions and she was just incapable of it it just wasn't it wasn't her season to win here. Yeah we know what the part three as they were done with all that questions from the House get stuff right. That's not even a thing last year it was do you remember that he did like that or the really wacky like hey this is. Sam And you're listening to Sam Welding podcast and then like I was turned into a robot on day six. I don't know why this might say I was turned into a robot on day six I was I tried to medically evacuate myself funday forty seven so I was like which like how many things were true and they that's what they did last big brother celebrity the the last couple of seasons as well. Yeah I kind of expect that to be the case which I do think would have favored Nicole which is why she she just needed to get there but it also could just be the crap shoot that it normally has been in previous seasons before that where it's just this juror said X. and could be anything or you know. They'll have some sort of massive setup in an arm wrestling competition ted. I do think it was a good night for Nicole is America's favorite player. Chances Yeah I I agree I mean I think there's a lot of campaigning out. There and people should campaign for campaign for but ultimately. I think that I think the Nicole is going to win it. I mean I feel like how was she. Not GonNa win it right like she's the underdog that's made aided this far. I feel like she has been getting that at it for a long time. I think the online community can sometimes overestimates its reach. I I think the the casual audience is all in on Nicole. Okay I totally agree. We'll be most surprise that they do not make the final three of America's favorite player so I think Kristie might be yeah. I think she she's under the impression. America hates her yeah. I know she always says I feel like that's like a defense mechanism thing and she thinks the steep but we love you at home. Nick Cat will be very surprised jabbing sanely surprise guy. I think he somehow thinks like despite right that insane interviews probably still got it. I think he has a provider to him. I guarantee you that both cat and nick very thinking that there's a new couple. I agree because Nick of course be America's Prankster so he's an American loves me loves a AH these ladies in the house. They're only scratching the surface of how much everybody wants to get with me. y'All America AH funny. I'm hooking up with with your girl cat. It's your top two favorites who are going to hook up with next for me. You find out L. A. Who I know you guys didn't like her Matt. How do you think that Nick Macaroni he will be able to how will he navigate this on Wednesday night so they'll bring it aright. Let's bring out the free region prime and did you think she's just like staring daggers at him like belting half and Isabel last time last year they made they made time for a proposal this time. I feel like they might make time for the opposite. This Nick Not Bella is on twitter and everything like goes gets he gets this. This is even let Bella do her. I don't think they're gonna let her like the vicious. I think the thrower a question of yeah I mean. It's not like a candidate bill answer. I mean. I don't think that they lo what are they gonNA. Ask Bella about it. The finale I would just love to see like Julie Julie Athletic Pella. What do you think about you saw these episodes. What do you what do you have to say with? Nick and she can just like walk across the stage and like throw a drink in his face. That would be great. Someone get this idea to Bella. She's like Tabasco Sauce. Wherever the pickle juice with Mark Yeah okay. Let's see Scott is giving us. I don't and why we're seeing this terror can show a why why is us why. Scott giving us this shot from a competition earlier this season. Scott why are you. Why are you showing US this puzzle. The figures that was for me. Hi Comparison Okay Holly is uh now that I know what we're looking at. Yeah okay so full screen on that tell you it looks like that. That's that's significant closer to Tommy good good good good comparison this and Scott this was dead just between Nicole and holly. This wasn't for the stool conversation Asian right strictly Holly Hollywood on step behind Nicole Chemicals definitely around Tommy's heights yeah okay all right. Good good good to know good to know for that final. We'll see it all play out on Wednesday night. Actually a good segue to what do you think they will do. The the extra time now. Will we spend more time with the final two in terms of Jerry question. Will we spend more time a sort of like a reunion mode where hey. Let's spend some more time with the final five. Let's explore so and maybe this is another reason that I was thinking of that. They did not want to do a recap of the recap that maybe big brother. twenty-one didn't want to revisit the first half of the season and give like like oh remember this hey hey. Do you guys remember the time that you were all really horrible. People like Do you remember the time when you said so. Maybe that's why we didn't have time. We Slam the door in your face. The Click Jackson remember when you were banging cat and then I lost all my self respect and he started baiting. You know the time you guys were all on. TMZ remember that time so Jackson remember when you may or may not have said the I think he's got cleared of that. I think he got so anyway so maybe we'll do some sort of like a jack. What do you have to say to some of your other cast mates from this season. They will play that out on the show or do you think that they all want wants to revel in the pomp and circumstance of the finale turn. I don't know I'm kind of interested to see where it goes. I think I mean they really only added like I think ten minutes by by putting the full competition in this episode so I don't think it'll be too much. I doubt they'll give more time to the jury. Questioning just doesn't seem like that they would do anything good like that so I also like now that we know that Nicole loss part to like. How much are we really going to drag it out after that. You know they really going to get a whole segment of like well would if they don't. I also wonder maybe if we ended up I if we're going to get a big brother Canada style like the they'll they'll do like a lot of montages in like recaps in the in the finale episode kind of like the the recap of the recap. They end up like a lot of flag. Hey there were so many funny moments. In this season. Let's take a look and they ended up doing like a clip clip packages at the finale. Is this a is this a longer than an hour or were you saying. Oh is it ninety minutes guest. The time made up for competition right right so we'll see I I think it will then not knowing that honestly our nose perfect but I think it was pretty obvious the public's kind of distaste- with not having enough time for the people to speak so. I wonder if that's like really playing in their head. I'm just going to let the to plead their case. I mean to be honest even if they gave them an extra. Something is not going to make that much of a difference the jury questions a little better they use. I mean you look back at old big brother seasons. It was definitely I think more catered to the actual game when you're trying to figure out who should be voted for and why and that element kind of slowly taper off over the years yeah time bring that back in terms of how they actually do Attaran. I feel like that I saw that. Not Everybody even asked the question in the in the current format correct yeah yeah usually not like personal questions. We ask the questions that if I had this cracked furlough pool so it's like this question. This wasn't my question but I wanNA know so. Tell me what what three words would you use to describe your game. I think in general I think they tried to avoid giving too much live. TV time to the contestants themselves like they don't want to give them too much time on their own because they might suck and be boring which is like why do this then anyone but but I think that's one of the reasons why they try to keep them like they know the questions ahead of time. It's going to be very they know exactly what it's I'm GONNA be. They know exactly how much time it's GonNa take up That's those are the limitations when you do it live okay. Let's take some more questions. Mindy says they got family videos. The other day that learn on the feeds was hoping that they would be on the episode curious now what was in the messages family members were in the photo so they sign releases so tired. You'll get that we'll get SORTA. SORTA loved ones visit type probably right. Yep Yeah you gotTA break for mom. Puzzles as for ants was twenty five trips back and forth really necessarily didn't seem like there was much of a shift in the leader board after the puzzle. Maybe the puzzle I've been the final portion of legend more suspenseful and sure does it. They've been doing it for a while. Yeah twenty-five trips it was really like Jackson. Finish the puzzle muscle and then it was just like dissolved cut dissolve cut dissolve cut of them just doing the same thing over and over and you couldn't. They didn't even like watch a side by side of like how many tokens they put down yeah. So how do you think it was. It was apparently relatively close but I didn't even get that sense watching the episode I got. I just felt like I was. I was like oh well. I'm assuming the Jackson's still winning and go okay all right so the question what about the competition it was fair at all threaten not really really what are you. What are you GonNa do but that part one was always going to be super physical. So what are you going to do. I I would obviously not all competitions fair and that's fine. I think I what I would like to see is just more of a mix especially leading up to the I mean I've always had an issue with part one and two of the final three wage being so physical will even the way that they used to be an feels like they've gotten even more physical people you know I talked about how cliff basically no chance of winning from the start of the game because in in all throughout the season because he can't win himself to the end because in capable of beating anybody in part one into unless there are somebody else who's Zeno his age and so it's it's it's kind of annoying to see that there are some people that are just flat out locked out of the final three h h yeah but it also Taryn once upon a time that part two of this challenge was that you had to close all the windows in the house and eat a peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich. Do the laundry Andrea into the luxury. Hey that was that was a good competition. That's classic that was relevant to your stay in the Big Brother House that was you you know what that's that is the of the final four fire making challenging survivor. Danielle race almost had a panic attack because she didn't want to eat the peanut butter crunchy peanut butter so they've always been challenging okay. Let's take from Mindy Thinking back to your initial impression the houseguests from the beginning of the season who's most different than you expected. Matthew anybody that you felt like with really a lot different. Totally I remember Jack from his interviews because I remember commenting. Ou- interview came across as like he was this real kind compassionate really really funny to go back to now all my guy. It's yeah it's so crazy. You thought he was going to be like the softy over. Yeah definitely jacked big software. hang out with my dog like America's. GonNa love this guy. He's aqua man. I think I think Bella was is the person that I got the most wrong this season preseason yeah. I did not I mean. What did you think about her. I Yeah I was I liked bill. I was interested in even in the first episode. I was like this spell us. She's great in the first episode she really and then love and then Bella happens. It was like Oh yeah very different. Yeah Okay Oh Tara from Albany. It's good question Matt. If you've got to be a presenter on the Summer Stein Goofy awards what award would you have presented with. You have had a one particular award that you wanted to come out and present for the achievement and Big Brother Twenty one. This is embarrassing but what what is this. What is this question if words yeah I have a list of pick it up. Make up an award I mean I don't know I would have to pay so you need enough. Nominees categories spend spent making mix something to pick a category. That would have enough nominees. You have to say who who is your favorite. I guess like Nick. Conquest is oh right yeah who's like. Nick's greatest hump best all right so there would be a lot of nominees getting produce election yeah Tara. What do you think that will will nick on social media after the show. Will he go into hiding or do you think he will just be out there and and you know talking to his fans. I think that nick is going to be very active on so I think it has no shame I I tender and bang anything and every Wednesday expecting a lot of re re tweets from fans. The fans being nick is a is a God and it was a major re tweeter yeah. That's that's what I'm not at my guest not since Joey Rodriguez. Will there be a big brother contestants sliding into more. DM's always like to the new accounts are going to pop up. Nick should really hook up actually. There's always like BBC fans that you can tell probably want to hook up with you. Sometimes no matter who you are and our repulsive of alumni you are they're there and you can you just usually disengage them because it's clear and I think nick's going to be the one to just like take them all in his own little Harem. Fan misfit okay the question from Katie. There's talk of Jackson thinking about taking Nicole if he wins. How Likely Taryn is there any chance that we could see a disruption at the status quo I gave you there. Yes yes sorry this yeah. This is insulting that we're even bring this up again because he already laid out the perfect plan I don't think it's happening now yeah. Is there a one percent chance it could happen. I don't think there's even a one point zero zero one present jams chats. Here's why I think I it's I would take the over on that. You know look we we talk about the diary room and there are not that they are able to sort of ah change what people really want to do but maybe they like in. Sept- you a little bit with like hey you know just the right. Man is isn't there. Ah The hype you up yeah. They'll give you always making thinking of a shot. I mean there's a possibility Nicole could get like some sort of some twists game where she gets a solitary confinement with like a disco in it then she just comes out yeah. Nicole's funeral look. I'm going to say that Jackson. Mickey's not a really impressionable guy. I'm not going to say that you know. Holly might not be open to narrative and like hey this is. Don't you want to be seen seen as the person who win that. What would that be like if you were the person the strong independent woman who ended. I one hundred percent eggs almost verbatim from what you're saying right there. I'll bet I just feel like there's I think a possibility I'm not I'm not a likelihood but I wouldn't say it's zero percents chance no. It's not zero percents zero point zero one percent yeah. They have nothing else to think about think about all right. Let's take a question from a richer now that the first two parts done how can Jackson not seats in their best interest to take Nicole on the end or at least holly and they really The mute when it comes to the jury. Shouldn't they be able to figure out to their best shot against Nicole's resume. I mean is this sort of just wishful thinking on the part of Richard. Is it in either of their best interest to take Nicole to the hollies right about that well. Here's here's the thing if holly loses to Jackson than it is in Holly's best interest to cut Jackson but we don't know for sure follies jags and so it's hard to say it will definitely only be able to know if it's if it's the right move for her. After we see what happens that'll be nice and easy but right now. It's not that easy. I could easily be Jackson excellent. Is it like when you lined up. I think Jackson had given the jury segmen