12 Burst results for "Tanner Mckee"
"tanner mckee" Discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
"Oh, Max Duggan. Max Duggan. I don't know if Stetson Bennett would've been quite right for the mix there, though. Stetson Bennett, probably not. But one of those guys, you know, Tanner McKee, you know, do you you know who, you know, again, the you know, the Eagles liked him in the sixth round. Could you have done something there? You know, I don't know. I mean, yeah, because because now you're just so there's nothing. And for anyone out there that's saying Carson Wentz, like if you think Zach Wilson is having a hard time handling the most the second most difficult media market in football because Philly is number one. I'm never going to back down from this. You know, I think Carson is probably going to be way up there in terms of, you know, being on the struggle bus in that regard. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no doubt. So we're the only other one I wanted to talk about in in some degree of detail here was a big win for the Packers 18 17 over the Saints. But I think this to me is a celebration of both teams. Obviously, Derek Carr's week to week with the AC joint sprain in the shoulder. But the Saints were way better than I think we thought they were. And I think that we, you know, Green Bay is down 17 nothing in the third quarter. This was not long before Jordan Love was like WWE style sacked, like thrown to the ground hurricane style at midfield. And they come back and they win this game. The Packers were off all day. They were doing like those ridiculous sort of like throwback passes that weren't working on the wet ground. And they got a win. And I just think I would not count them out by any manner of degree in the NFC North. No way. That's a resourceful team that I think is going to get better over time. It doesn't need the quarterback to be great. Yeah. Like I, I think that is such a huge key to developing a quarterback. And I think that's why Jordan Love has a pretty good chance of making it right. Like, because if you look at the roster, I think it's important like that a guy like that, like he ranks like pretty far down. You know, if you're, if you're ranking like the best player, the players in the roster, and it's not like he ranks like pretty far down because he's horrible. He ranks pretty far down because they've got a lot of accomplished guys in that team. You know, both offense and defense, like, I mean, Christian Watson, I think is going to be a good player. Romeo Dobbs, David Bakhtiary, Elton Jenkins, Aaron Jones, Rashawn Gary, Kenny Clark, Devondre Campbell, like Eric Stokes coming back. And I think him and Rashawn Gary are going to continue to get better as they get healthier. Jair Alexander. It's like a really, like, I sort of like look at them like the saints a little bit, like people forgot how good that roster is. And so, yeah, I mean, I think it's a resourceful team. It's a good team. I like, I don't think they need. And I think yesterday is a great example of it. They don't need Jordan Love to be a superstar. Like he's going to be able to grow into his role there. You know, and to me, that's an ideal situation, an ideal type of situation to develop a quarterback into. Yeah, no doubt. Let's boogie into the two minute drill here. Let's go. Let's try to do it. We're gonna do it right this time.
"tanner mckee" Discussed on The Paul Finebaum Show
"WKRP during the break. See what happening up there? You were listening to the Paul fine bomb show podcast. We're back, we'll head to Cincinnati in a couple of minutes where there was quite a bit of interesting developments at the NCAA hearings today, especially who was there, and we'll tell you that story coming up in a minute, a surprise person. John is in California. Hello, John. Hi, Paul. Can you hear me? Yes, I certainly can. Well, thank you for taking my calls. It's an honor to be able to talk to you. Thank you. I've been following you for a long time, but I just really got into the show really recently and thank you. It's amazing listening to all these folks down south go back and forth and, you know, I'm kind of one off out here in California. I'd like to say Northern California, more specifically, because we don't really have a football presence at this point and it's kind of embarrassing, but I've been following Stanford since I was young and we've had a couple of good stretches over the last ten years and in transition now Shaw left and we got a new head coach and everything and Tanner McKee was supposed to be the savior and like third best quarterback coming out of high school and that didn't pan out. I guess what I'm trying to wrap my head around is with the transfer portal and everybody moving out of conferences and like they're talking about getting rid of conferences altogether and the money that the California economy is most specifically like that's in Silicon Valley could be poured into NIL money and stuff, do you see the West Coast being relevant in the next decade? No, I don't. Outside of outside of USC. I think that is the only program that is committed at the moment to the degree. Now, I think Oregon, Washington, or in the conversation, but I think it's so difficult. And it really pained me to see what happened to Stanford because I have long been an admirer of David Shaw and they really did going back to what Harbaugh did there. And ultimately, David, that was a top 5 program for quite a few years, but I don't think you can get a back now because the people that run universities like Stanford, which is one of the top 5 schools in America, don't have the stomach for what is going on going on elsewhere. Yeah, it's just amazing how quick it all fell apart after COVID and I just can't believe that, you know, ten years almost exactly ago, one loss to Notre-Dame and we could have been in the championship and I'm not saying we would have beat Bama in that last championship game, but I feel like we might have played them a little bit better than Notre-Dame did. Well, I mean, it was a 28 point game, so I think you're right. Yeah, John, really interesting though. And I have so little faith in where the PAC 12 is at the moment in terms of its distribution and by SC getting out. I think UCLA is somewhat irrelevant to that conversation, but USC is in the mix this year for the national championship. Thank you for the call. Mitch is in Georgia. Hello Mitch. Mitchell there. Steve is up next in South Carolina. Hello, Steve. Hi, Paul. Thank you for taking my call. I really appreciate your show and your expert commentary. Thank you. My question briefly, I've been following the South Carolina gamecock since I live in South Carolina and they had a great season last year and he actually cracked the top 25. So my question is they weren't I saw listed in the top 25 so far. How do you think they're going to fare this year in the SEC? And then an ultimately in the top 25. Yeah, I think they could be a top 25 team. They were really, there's so many tweener games. North Carolina is a 50 50 shot. Georgia is not Tennessee. I think those are the games. I think if South Carolina can escape the first half of the season with only two losses and then hold server, the problem is their road schedule is absurd. Georgia, Tennessee, Missouri is maybe definitely a 50 50 game a and M there could be four losses there before you get to Clemson. So I do not see this being a double digit win team, could they pull some upsets like they did last year? Well, sure. We saw we saw some shocking results by South Carolina, but I think I would be hard pressed to say they're a top tier team coming into the season. You think it's safe to say that it may be due to the schedule that they're better than they really are, is this their playing a tough schedule? Yes. I think the schedule, if you reversed some of those games, could they be Tennessee at home? Yeah, they did last year. Now, the a and M game really bothers me. I mean, you could not have, yeah, you could have gone, you could have been at Alabama. But or LSU, but that's a very difficult environment. I think Missouri is always tough on the road. Kentucky at home is a break. Clemson at home, a big break, but I just, I don't see how they can avoid losing a couple of games with that schedule. Thank you. Thank you for the call. Kate is up next in Georgia. Hey, good afternoon. Hi Paul, how are you doing? We're doing well. Thank you. So I got a question for you. Who do you think is coming out of the SEC east and the SEC was? Yeah, today I'm going to be rather boring. I would say Alabama and Georgia.
"tanner mckee" Discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
"These things, I know people are going to say, why would a team tell you this? I'm also talking to teams that don't need quarterbacks that are a little bit more liberty to say who they like and who they don't like because you know the chiefs aren't taking quarter. I know the bills aren't taking a quarterback. You know the Bengals aren't taking the quarterback and right on down the line, right? So there's ways to get this information. And I do think that there's a feeling that right now, like hookers a better player than Richardson and levis, the question with that is where the ceiling is. He's a little older, he's got the knee, but I would say he's a good bet to be one of the top 5 quarterbacks drafted and potentially could go in front of Richardson or levis. Interesting. So I have an all run down my list and then we'll kind of chop it up here on this. I have Bryce go number one overall and so let me just walk everybody through the life cycle of a bad or no, a life cycle inside my anxious head slash a potentially disastrous Connor or take. So, you know, so I started, you know, I started working on something related to Bryce that you guys can read in a couple of weeks and a couple days, I guess at this point. And you know, you do a lot of homework on a guy when you're writing a story and you talk to a ton of people, not just about the person, but like, am I gonna look silly blowing this guy up for the draft? And everybody in December in January in February before the combine was like, he's number one. He's number one. He's number one. He's great. Relax. He's the best quarterback in the class. Okay, cool. Then the combine happens. And Anthony Richardson just completely shreds the place. We hear more about Stroud, I think, then legitimate praise and hype for Stroud than we'd heard prior to that. And then I was like, you know what, Connor, it's time to double down on this. And so I wrote a column, basically saying, hey, this is all cute. Let's go back to December and January when we all knew that Bryce dung was going to be the best player and the best quarterback in this draft. And let's stop allowing the combine to skew our view on things. But boy did I sweat out the last month and a half? Anthony Richardson is so good and I'm sitting there and I'm like watching more and more and more and I'm like, jeez, if someone can figure out the way to make this guy work, everything that like old takes exposed is just gonna have like a Connor or week of just content just based on my shitty draft takes. And so anyway, I think we're back at Bryce's number one. I feel good about it now. But we'll see. That said, I have Richardson number two on my board, and so I'm playing a little bit of, it's interesting. I think that this pick might show us who's kind of driving the bus in Houston and I'm not saying that D'amico likes Richardson more. I'm not saying that because serial like Stroud more. I'm not saying any of that, but what I am saying is if you're D'amico and this is your first chance to grab a quarterback and you have Davis mills already on the roster who can play, you know, you have a 6 year deal. You're going to be able to take two cracks at a quarterback legitimately. I don't think the Texans are going to fire you. Unless you're a complete and unbridled disaster. They've already fired two coaches a year in. Why not take the guy? And again, you have a forty-niners offensive coordinator who's on the staff. These guys have been salivating over, running this offense with a mobile quarterback for years. That's why Kyle went and drafted Trey Lance when he did. And I just think like, maybe you're sitting there and you're thinking, God, like, you know, I don't care. Like, this guy is bigger than Derek Henry. He's faster than Derek Henry. If we can get him to understand and by all accounts, is a guy who can pick stuff up quickly. If we can get him to just understand the Shanahan rules of this offense, he's going to be a tort like just a torture device for all these other defensive coordinators. So that's the only reason I don't know anything. I haven't heard anything, but that's what I thought during the Trey Lance draft, and I changed my mind at 1 o'clock in the morning and pulled Trey Lance out of the number three spot. But still sure about it. It still kills me. And so I'm putting Richardson it to. So from there, I got Stroud at three. I think he might fit somewhere. And Tanner McKee at 5, and so we told him a curveball there when I saw that, it just caught my attention. So miki over hooker. So here's my thought on hooker. And so I talked to a couple people who knew the volunteers offense pretty well. And one of the interesting things about hooker is, you know, they had kind of did those two wide receivers out wide a lot stuff. And for people don't know, it's like the old Baylor offense. These guys are like literally like lined up on the sideline all the way. Yeah, you're creating a lot of space and what was great about hooker is he had crazy arm strength, right? So you could threaten teams because he could make that throw to the boundary with regularity, right? He could throw a frozen rope to the sidelines. But what that Baylor offense takes away, I think, is the challenge of making a lot of independent reads, right? The challenge of digesting a lot of defenses. And so if I'm a coach, I'm thinking, okay, I can make the arm strength work, but there's going to be a lot of stuff on the back end here. We're going to have to over scheme a lot early. So maybe if you're in the back end of that first round, early second round, you know, are you looking for more of a developmental project or are you looking for a high quality backup, perhaps takeover guy at some point, maybe Tanner McKee? Is your person there? But yeah, so that's the reason that I have those guys in that order, but boy, this is shaping up to be super interesting. I have so cool. Just hearing what you're saying, like I sort of have three thoughts on it. Number one, you know, I did a story on this about how I think the bottom might start to fall out on the middle class quarterback, right? And I had somebody who, and for those who didn't read it, it's somebody basically compare it to MBA max contracts. And that there was a point where it was the NBA where 25 teams had guys on max contracts. And there weren't 25 guys worth those max contracts, right? And eventually over time, it changed in teams got smarter and figured out like there aren't, we're better off doing this a different way than paying, I think the example I got was like John wall, right? At the top of the market. So that's sort of why there wasn't like a huge market for Derek Carr. That's why there wasn't a huge market for Jimmy Garoppolo, right? Because teams were looking at it and saying, let's just go get like Baker Mayfield. And let's spend that money somewhere else. And I think part of it is looking up this mountain now, especially if you're in the AFC and seeing burrow and Alan and obviously mahomes. Like this is like mount mahomes right that you're looking up. Herbert and Lawrence and Lamar insane to yourself, is this ever going to be good enough to get past there? So I think that's sort of going to trickle into the draft too where you could see some of these guys like if a guy slides past the top half of the first round, well, that means somebody doesn't think they can get them over that mountain. And if you don't think you can get them over the mountain, is he worth the first round pick at all? Is he worth the second round pick at all? You know what I mean? If you're just going to be spinning your wheels. And so I think that that's one thing to consider with this, like where I think there could be a quarterback or two that really slides because of that dynamic, you know? Like, for example, if you don't think you can get levis to 80% of what Patrick Mahomes is going to be, it is, right? Are you ever going to have a chance? It's a really smart and I'm glad that GMs are getting there. I think you're going to have more on this a little bit later in the show. And what I will add to it is I've been writing a lot about this idea basically since Brock purdy in December where you have all of these guys now and I'll give you another name during this show of another guy who I think can be of that caliber, but you have all these starting quarterbacks who, you know, from your Iowa states, your whatever, your San Diego states, like all these schools who aren't your power 5 BCS schools. And they're there for four years. They're starting for 55 games. And they're coming out with a bigger library of experiences and what's happening is you're getting these kids private actual QB instruction for the first time in their life. And they're unlocking they're unlocking great parts of themselves that they didn't know existed. And this isn't a commercial for private QB coaching, but this is an acknowledgment that Bryce young, CJ Stroud, all these guys at the top of the draft class have had private QB coaching since they were 5, right? Yeah. And so they're like somewhere around. They're not golfers. Yes, right? Yeah. And so they have already unlocked their max potential. And so, you know, you look at Brock purdy and Brock purdy was like an S two test God was one of the smartest guys that ever took the S two test. He started like 50 games that I was thinking. Like, 1400 attempts or something like that. In a godly number, yeah. Yeah. And so, okay, yeah, he's got some weird mechanical stuff, but he's smart, so you pair him with a guy who can, you know, just truncate the motion a little bit. Help him get the ball out a little bit faster. And it turns out he's really good. Those guys are available. There's a big pool of those guys, you know? Like who would be that guy then? Would that be like a Jake hanner this year? Someone like that, yeah. Or I'm gonna save it for my surprise, Albert. You gotta read the website today. We have your future Brock purdy on SI dot com. This is Thursday we're taping this. Okay. Like the two other points I was gonna make on your top 5. Number one, you know, I do think that with your point on the not on the niners offense, right? So obviously Bobby slock is the coordinator there. And I do think he's obviously, you know, listen to Kyle a lot over the last couple of years. And I think part of what Kyle's thinking was and going and getting Trey Lance rather than Mac Jones in 2021 was I can bring in Mac Jones and I can make him like, you know, maybe Kirk Cousins, maybe a little bit less than that. Like a really good quarterback who will do what I want him to do. The problem I run into with that, if I'm Kyle, is that half the NFL is running my offense now. Exactly. So I'm not really growing what I'm doing. I'm just doing what I've always done. And now my secrets are all over the NFL. So do I really have an advantage over anybody? I need to find the conclusion that they came to was I need to find somebody to grow the offense. And it's not that Matt Jones isn't a good player. I need somebody who can kind of take the offense and add something to it. And that was what that was the attraction to Trey lands. And that wound up being what the tiebreaker was was that like if everybody's already running our offense, then we need to grow our offense. And we need somebody who can do something different to grow our offense at that position. And we think that we can turn Trey Lance into that. Now, it turns out that that hasn't worked out. At least till now. And so now you get Brock purdy in, but you got that guy in the 7th round. Right. And so you're still running an excellent version of your offense. You just got somebody to run it a lot later on. And then the third point that I would make here, I'm not convinced Houston is taking a quarterback. two guys in charge and D'amico and Nick, the highest Nick has ever taken a quarterback in 23 years in the NFL of 62nd overall. That was Jimmy Garoppolo. And D'amico was part of a team that took a quarterback started overall, spent three first round picks to get there. And that was Trey Lance. And he went to the and he's been to three NFC championship games as a coach with two quarterbacks other than Trey Lance. You know, so both those guys have experience making it work at that position with a little bit less. And so if they're completely sold on a guy, I think they take them. But if they aren't, I don't think they're going to reach. 'cause I think that they've done it different. These guys have done it different ways before, you know? And that's what the caveat that ownership could still swoop in, but and that's why I think if Bryce falls to two for some reason, I think they'll take price. I think that they probably have that feeling on bribes. I think it becomes a lot murkier if that doesn't happen. And then I think that's where you start to see where will Anderson or Tyree Wilson could come into play. And you can even consider the success D'amico had taking defensive players second overall. You know, four years ago, that was Nick Bosa, who winds up being the best player on a team that goes to an NFC title game. This is as much as to kind of to kind of polish this off as much as the Trey Lance, the idea behind Trey Lance might be a motivator. It could
"tanner mckee" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show
"Size? Do we have those for? I thought Marvin's with 8 and 7 east last year. Just under 9 and the place went Berserk. It was like, it was like The Beatles. And chase stadium. Satan's hand size, which your hands I see? Massive. You got pause, pause. That's what they're doing. Yeah, just to set the scene, the smallest hand size for quarterbacks in the NFL currently, if you count Taysom Hill as a quarterback, which he has done, 8 and three fourths. So that's Marvin's guy. Joe burrow Ryan Tannehill and Jared Goff all have 9 inch hand size measurements. Derek Carr Justin Fields 9 and one 8th. And then on the higher side, Russell Wilson, his hands are still the biggest in the NFL, despite the season last year. Josh Allen Aaron Rodgers ten in the 8th. So that's what these new guys are competing against. Okay. Did we have an all time hand size from the combine with quarterbacks? Wow, that's a great question. I wondered how much you've studied. Well, I do put a lot of stock into this because that's how you find a great quarterback. You want to go CJ Stroud is going to be a massive handle. I think Anthony Richardson. Really? Yeah. Yeah. How much would if he had small hands how much would that then hurt his stock? He's not a big weekend. He's not a first rounder then. They're small, but athletic hands. They can move really well. Will levis could have sneaky big hands there. I like you wouldn't expect it? No, that would be stetson Bennett, junior the third. Okay. Well, I'm going to give you an example of a max duggan. Twitchy hints. All these players can play. All right, let's go. There's a gentleman named Tanner McKee of Stanford. He's 6, 6, two 31, but he had the smallest hand size measurements at 9 and three ace. Okay, that's not horrible. But when you're 6 sex, he's walking around with these little little claws on his horror movie. Little kitten around campus there with those things. Okay. I'm gonna name the hand size. You guessed the quarterback, the options are. Just the top guys. Bryce young CJ Stroud Anthony Richardson will love us, and in hooker. And stetson Ben, I'm naming some of the more famous guys. All right, this quarterback's hand size. And even ten inches, which puts you into not too big, not too small, just right. And I'm gonna go will levis. Incorrect, anyone else want a shot? I'm not gonna go will love. Minus one for Dan. CJ. CJ. DJ stratus correct Marvin. Obviously the expert. He knows big hands what he sees him 'cause they're not his. Okay. So wait CJ strat had big hands? Well, ten. Yes. Kind of, we're gonna call that high medium in the hand size business. That's impressive right there. There's another quarter with even ten inch hand size. Would anyone like a hint? Yeah, I could have used a hint the last time. This quarterback is called more athletic than he appears at the combine. I actually heard someone say it. More athletic than he appears. Well, that could be max duggan. Who's off the border? That could be CJ stress. Oh, stenson Manning. That is correct. Ten inch hands, 5 11 one 92. Those are massive hands. Short arms, big hands, which is very awkward. The opposite of the Tanner McCain syndrome. Can't remember key syndrome. This quarterback, hendon hooker. Anthony. Okay, this guy has the second biggest hand size measurement in the entire draft class. Ten and one half inches. Hooker junior the third and hooker is correct. Let's go. Value packet. Thank you. Based off his hands and his playing ability in that order. I think Anthony Richardson is 11. 11. Yeah, that might be a record. Yeah. I think Anthony Richardson is going to be. I think he's going to be an old timer. Check my notes. All right. Here's another quarterback. Race young. Measured at ten and one half inches. Bryce young. Ten and one half inches? I'm gonna be 10.5. 10.5 ish. Yeah, smart. Your boy. Max duggan. Anthony Richardson. It is Anthony Richardson, max, dug in. I said your boy. Amsterdam. Okay. Good morning. Megan. Barbie. Marvin. It is Marv madness. This entire month is yours. Yes, polling. This quarterback had 9 and three. And measurements were a big part of his day. Breish young is correct. 5 ten, two O four, 9 and three quarter inch hand sizes. That's pretty good. Okay. No issues with his hands. Okay. Last one. Max duggan. This quarterback there's only two choices left. Max duggan and will levis. Had the biggest hand size measurements in the entire draft class. Ten and 5 eighths inches, that would put him in the top three quarterbacks in the entire NFL upon joining the NFL Dan. I'm gonna say that's will levis. Anyone going max duggan? He's sneaky athletic. Sneaky athletic. He's Gritty and gutty Mexico. You know, there's a reason that Mel Kuiper liked him so much. Will levis? This is we'll put him over the top. Yep. You're all correct. Will levis. Nailed it. Preparing for months to work on his hand. Well, guys do stretch their hands. Absolutely. They go to special clinics. That's actually made that part out. And finally, max duggan. 9 and 7 eighths. He's 6 one and a half two O 7 9 and 7 eighths inches hand side. Okay. That's a Marvin prince memorial hand size game. All right. Memorial. Even we're off the air we're playing it. What are the biggest hands in the world? André the Giant, I bet. I know that the biggest hands of a person still alive. No, it's 11.2 inches. This is a guy who lives in turkey. And he's also the world's tallest man. Yes. So yeah, I'm seeing there's another guy here, Robert Wadlow, the tallest man ever. He had hands at 12.7. What about my goodness? But what about André the Giant? From the writ from his wrist to the tip of his middle finger. I remember seeing Andre giant hold a beer, and you know how they have those little small like you get like seltzer club soda and they're real small ones. That's how he made a beer look like that. Yes, Tom. Under the Jack's hands were reported to be 16 inches long. Most credible sources state that each hand was ten inches in size fingertip to bottom of palm, but some butter he had 16 inch long. What if he was the biggest purse like 7 four or three 80, but he had these little tiny 8 and three eighths or something like that. He would drink an entire case of beer, she would. Yes. Yeah. Is that real that if you weigh more, why would you think that you could process more beard? Is that a fact or just people think that? Well, if you're bigger, don't you
"tanner mckee" Discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
"It's always, I think the most underrated thing when we look at quarterbacks is I think people don't realize how much more claustrophobic and frantic in NFL quarterback in NFL pocket is for a quarterback as compared to what you have in college where a lot of these guys are playing in pretty comfortable spaces. I think he can manage that. At the NFL level, even at his size. I just think he kind of has it. I think he's going to be that outlier who's almost he can manage a pocket not to the extent that Drew Brees did, but I do think he's maybe kind of on that path. But I take price young first overall in a heartbeat in this class. And I think you can still squint and see will levis as a guy who doesn't have a ton of answers. I mean, he, you know, Kentucky's not overly talented. They don't have a team where the receivers are necessarily going to win in single coverage frequently. And I think you can draw some comparisons to Josh Allen Wyoming. Maybe an off brand version of that is what you're looking at. Yeah, I think you're right. And I think that's what he's going to be billed as, and I think that that's, that's what either makes him or breaks him, I think, in the draft this year. My take is take at this point though. I'm not, I could be completely wrong. I'm not in on CJ Stroud. I think he's a first round pick. I just, I think he's going to be, he's a system guy. And I don't know if he necessarily lifts up. This is, I think he can operate the system really well, but you have to be really confident in your system. I love the accuracy in the touch in that stuff. But when he gets pushed off schedule, it's just not going well enough. Especially on a team that is so overwhelmingly more talented than the opponents they play, but I'm trying to craft a take where it's not I take Tanner McKee of Stanford a bow Knicks of Oregon over CJ Shroud because that's ridiculous. You take CGH route first, but I'd rather wait until round two and take a flyer on one of those guys and see what I have. Then take CJ strout and say the top half of round one. All right, that's fair. I think that's totally fair. You've lost your equal footing on your friendship level with Albert breer. Ohio State grad, but he doesn't listen to our show. Ever since we made him do the quiz and he did really poorly. True. The MM QB NFL podcast is Connor or and me
"tanner mckee" Discussed on The MMQB NFL Podcast
"Playoff game went, they're going to have to move on. And the reason I bring that up, they obviously they have the two first round picks. They have the same search around pick. It is, we can't say for sure right now, but odds are it's going to be a very quarterback rich draft. There are a lot of guys, whether it be CJ Stroud, Bryce young, will levis, Anthony Richardson, Tanner McKee, Tyler Van Dyke, I'm probably forgetting greyson McCall. Out of those guys, someone is going to emerge probably a couple of them are going to emerge as top half of the first round type of talents. And, you know, if the eagles don't have it in hertz, that's what they're going to have to do, or maybe they turn those draft picks into whatever veteran is kind of a little bit disgruntled by the time this year wraps up. We've talked, I don't know. How many hours do you think we've devoted to two otunga over the past year in a O'Connor? Like, probably like 14 weeks worth? Oh, at least, yeah. And for good measure somewhat, that was in hindsight, such a weird draft, right? Because Jill borough comes out of nowhere. And this is where a little bit, this is where you sort of question football coaching and scouting in general, right? How does Joe burrow who is now the closest thing that we've ever seen to Tom Brady. As a player, just get completely passed over for a majority of his career that emerges the number one pick. And then Justin Herbert, who's like the second closest thing we've seen to like a mobile Tom Brady. One of the best processing minds in football and there is no, give me, give me a like, how does this happen? It drives me. It's crazy. It's the old, you know, you could go back to, okay, well, you have Tom Brady the greatest quarterback of all time, shouldn't everyone just be drafting guys who profile like Tom Brady, and it doesn't really work that way because obviously you want some level of traits in your guys coming out. And Joe burrow isn't really a super Tracy guy, obviously just his functional athleticism. And I think you pointed out in your cover story on Joe burrow in Sports Illustrated. His functional athleticism and therefore his pocket movement. It's just absolutely perfect for the specific position. So while you wouldn't say, I don't know, 5 years from now, say, Joe burrow is not working out. We're going to move into receiver. That's not really, I mean, he's probably going to work out anyway, but he's not that kind of athlete, but he is athletically perfect for what they have at the quarterback position. Yeah. But the make or break stuff to me is not, in general, doesn't seem to be entirely consequential unless you're Miami. And Miami is interesting, right? Because you're losing equity. You're losing draft capital. All the stuff that you built up over that tanking period, you have now largely gotten rid of. There's nothing else there. Mike mcdaniel, your hope is that if tua doesn't work out that he can be a first in line kind of guy to draw one of the big boy quarterbacks and you wonder with Sean Payton coming back into the league at some point and we'll talk about him in a minute. going to complicate the line here? Because I think one of the interesting things, you know, Matt rule came into the league, right? He thought, okay, I'll get Matt Stafford and everything will be fine. It doesn't work that way. Like that deal was done way before you even thought about coming to the NFL. You know what I'm saying? And so if tua doesn't work out, how does Miami replace him, your first round pick has been donated. To the NFL. And so there's not a lot of options there. I mean, at best, you're looking at like a Jimmy G as you're opening day starter next year. Realistically? Well, or a Tom Brady. Yeah. Yeah. They're kind of on the record on that pursuit. Out of the three guys here, and I'm not saying it's likely to happen, but the only, I think the only possible mid season switch among these three guys is probably going to teddy Bridgewater if to a really does not work out. Now, theoretically, a lot of quarterbacks fit well in this in the Shanahan style offense. But if you are going to have two of just doing quick game quick game quick game, I mean that fits what he does. It should work out to an extent and then it's a question of, well, how much better do we need to get at this position to hang with the sort of the superhero type guys in the AFC. But yeah, the other guy, Daniel Jones, I mentioned, he's going to get the whole season to do this. I mean, the Giants are not really looking at this as a year where they're going to contend. Brian dabel obviously had a huge hand in developing Josh Allen. Daniel Jones is not near Josh Allen in terms of arm talent, but you can do some similar things with him as far as mobility and run game stuff goes. He's not quite the power runner, but obviously he's a guy who can be dangerous with his legs. If you put in some designs that are actual, you know, designs, unlike what the Giants have been doing the last couple of years, maybe you have some here. Maybe you have something here as sort of a mobile point guard type of guy and perhaps that's enough going forward. I don't think Daniel Jones has ever going to be a guy we talk about as like an MVP candidate, but I think you can absolutely turn him into, you know, Kirk Cousins type level. Sort of a plus game manager type of type of quarterback. And we'll find out this year if the Giants are on the right track with him, if they're not, obviously they have no, they have no commitment to and beyond the season, they'll probably be picking fairly high, and it's time to move on to the next guy. I introduced this in my QB carousel post a few weeks ago, Gary. But how do you feel about the Giants moving on from Daniel Jones? And in a bridge year experiment, bringing in the quarterback that Brian dabel recruited out of high school. To a tug of iloa. Boy. Whoo. It would. I mean, look, if I'm starting a franchise today, I'm taking danger Jones over tua, I don't know, man. It's like, this is a very simplistic way of thinking about it. But it's like, well, Brian Dave will just turn the most tools he quarterback needing into the NFL into an unstoppable force, you kind of want him to have another tools EI. You don't want him to have to kind of manage around the shortcomings of either guy, but I think to a tongue of Iowa probably has more shortcomings than Daniel Jones does. To a tongue of ilo is your local hardware store, Daniel Jones is Lowe's. Right? In terms of tools. That's what you're saying. Oh, that's I didn't pick up on that right away. That was nice. That was good, right? It's not bad. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And then Josh Allen is like the entire company of harbor freight, right? Yeah. He has more tools than we can even fathom. All of Arthur blanks Home Depot stuff. Just jumped into, I don't know, a small island nation. I like that. But we've talked about this, right? I think if there is, if
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"Logo is a tree. That's so cool though it's a tree there's a part where we go and then we'll go five six seven eight. Everybody jumps come on. Come on and you guys are all you know what i have a fun game to play go to google and start typing in stanford upsets. Okay and right as you start to. Type it. In it will say stanford upsets usc two thousand twelve stamford usc. Two thousand seven stanford upsets. Usc two thousand thirteen stanford upsets usc. Two thousand twenty one. This is our thing. We do this in the coliseum even when we stink although i will argue the trojans stink. I will argue dump a seventeen point favorites game. And here's the thing that pisses me off to so gambling is up like a million percent. People are more sports than doing it in seventeen states and district of columbia and all that so i got my little offshore operation. I dunno. it's like bet for dummies. So i've seen one of the main ones. So i i use bet for dummies. Okay and so. I actually put a little scratch on usc. Because i saw stanford get hammered by kansas state. Last week i saw usc with an a solid performance one. That could have been better but maybe one. That's sort of evolving and i thought you could make a little money. You know what they were klay. Halton is just a mess. That dumb look honest face. The the fact that he doesn't coach players up the fact that that this is now been what five years six years of this i am officially over done finished and i texted you guys on saturday night. I said i don't think they should. Even la allow him to leave the coliseum without fire. I thought they should've fired him on the spot flaring wherever you are you walk out there to the fifty yard line and you say thanks for yeah right on the fee. Not even having let him outta the locker. Don't even let him out of the locker room. I don't want him even going back and talk into the team. It's hyperbole monday and you know. Look clay hill hockey. you claim. That's our new. Quarterbacks is what we do here. This is the on high purba right. We'll give you know klay needs a little more time. I think he's i think you gotta let him kind of the. Let them go through the season you know. Give them a lifetime contract. Make sure that you really let him get his guys in place brutal this you can actually get over there. You can mix the ochre coach in the point so saturday. Right now there's no one got great recruits that he brought in this year floating. I wasn't gotta gloat. I really wasn't. I was going to focus on the positives. I i said you know saturday night. I was really excited done. But then i feel bad if the rams win. We're we should just talk about the rams because that's dying matches or in the ramp saved the weekend. I feel bad for you mace. I feel bad for all of this afternoon in a new head coach. We're going to head up the moral. The story is clay. helton stays for another five years. The moral of the story is i. he's done. That's the moral of the moral. The story is nice guys. Finish quite literally last. What if tanner mckee is like the next andrew. Lucked lob lolly again i losing stanford of it off course i told you what if i told you fresh. I week freshman of the week in fact six foot six ronan from from corona highly recruited. Here's an made the quarterback switch and it was all over. We got more stars than you do. When i say stars star guys fine floor andrew would if we just discovered our guy no who cares who cares hashtag clay for life. H seven seven here. Espn by the way. I'm getting so much hate already on twitter. It's like it's hate monday. Go ahead at venice me. So i'm getting so much. Hate your overstating this year overstating that this is not the rams town the lie. Not welcome home blah blah blah fine. Just go ahead bring it. You know what. I like say around here. Or hey what is reading it. Combat combat me. There you go. I'm like to say play for life. Eight seven seven seven. Espn off torturing mace. Were you to stadium last night. So actually having ran. Were you at the debacle. Saturday night when usc just handed a game to stanford espn mason ireland seventeen. Espn play for lie for live. Greg downer series owner clay for life. Can i ask you a question. I went on to talk to you during the break and i was close made their mace. And we couldn't get you and where he was like. He took off his headset. That angry torture you that much. Are you mad at me. Ov- it both of us. And i would say not mad. I would say annoyed. I'm annoyed by both of you. I know we shouldn't have done that. It really is so raw for se. Fans like. I think you thought this year was going to be different and i did. I thought it was gonna be different. I thought clay has learned coat. We have to come down. We can't play the music for him. Now it's triggering. God knows it's true. I need to save space. Give me the jumps. Hey hora did i say did i drop an expletive today. A little bit took your head off and dropped the explanation somebody. I've got to people saying. I heard you say how whore hey keeps all linked together. Did i say that on didn't didn't didn't not at all together. Yeah keep my stuff is what i said I have been listed la fan. I've been to many events in. La sports history going back decades. I agree with you. One hundred percent last night at fi stadium was right up there. You're millennial producer can't understand that producer. His money producer is a uc is a ucla fan. But we're talking about s-o-f-i stadium. Joey evans you do realize that none of this would be happening happening. If it worked for jerry jones setting the tone the rest of the league true that is true. They put them on the scoreboard last night. Couldn't hear what he said because everybody was doing so long. You know what. I love it when billionaires trying to top each other. It's really good for the fans. You know what the scam is jerry. Jones finances l. 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"Left side of that line, then sort of boy didn't get a great spot did not know what that was stopped and went to his right. But I was spotted actually. So third down and one Well, you got to pick this up. John, you come out. You get the potential emotional lift the other team losing their kicker. You get 15 yards. You start near midfield, and you complete a seven yard pass on the first play. You must convert here on 30. You don't get cute, Single back. It's Austin Jones. Yep. McKee will keep it and he's got plenty for the first half. It helps to be. 66 does indeed when you lean forward, and I like that they didn't have you know, 12 offensive lineman on the field. They spread them out a little bit, gave the key of some room to work. Casey Filkins comes in here on this 1st and 10. The line of scrimmage will be the Trojan 42. First drive of the night here in Los Angeles. It's felt Filkins alone receiver to the right and Isaiah Sanders is in a quarterback. Mixing it up early Coach Shaw indeed. Sanders takes the snap handed off. It's a reverse and Filkins has it is going to be tackled for about a 10 yard loss. Greg Johnson came in and blew it up, and that's Was disastrous. USC They read it. Of course, the speed with those DBS When you've got three of them recognizing this guy, you may pick up one or two, but one of those fast guys We're going to get back in there and they cut down Wilkins way behind the line of scrimmage. So talk about a buzzkill. After you pick up the first down, you're in Trojan territory. You're almost in field goal range, and we talked about it last week. It seemed like every time Stanford got close to field goal range. Penalty or a tackle for loss knocked him backwards. And here we are at second mile and no receivers, no receivers. I formation. Give it to Jones and Austin Jones with nothing doing is that that is Nick Figueroa. So much for the joint. He's out there playing and he made the tackle. He did. Tanner. Ricky is going to face a number of challenges here. What does SC do? They hang back. Think of Indian experienced quarterback can't throw downfield this early in his career, or do they pin their ears back? Third down, and 21 3 receivers, Jones detail and Clay Hilton took a time out. On 3rd and 21 charge time out USC. It's a 32nd time out. So lot of things going wrong for both teams here. I mean, again. It's game too, right? And for you for us. See the coordinator Todd Orlando. It's we don't know Tanner McKee. We don't have a lot of tape. You know, and all of a sudden Sandra goes three wide and maybe one of the match. They didn't like the matchup on one of the sides, and so they stopped it. And guess what they do. 21 21? Yeah. Just a lot. There's a lot of things SC can do here. Obviously, the second down call was curious. You know if you get 2nd and 20 you basically you're saying you need to 10 yard passes right to give yourself a shot, and they came out with no receivers on the field. Alright, So Bryson Tremaine Wide rice wide, Right, Higgins slot, Right. Jones in the backfield, Silas start to the left of the formation. Trojan Show blitz. Here they come. Bubble screen to Higgins makes the first man miss and got good yardage inside the 50, but not enough for a first down. Stanford's going to happen. Money inside screen type play a lot of blockers there. Higgins goes about 2 35 Elijah Higgins, that is and But that's the play. You need a second. Yeah, that's right. Okay. It was about what it was Greg Johnson again and on that stuff about an active series veteran and really good and as a tackler as well as a cover guy. Gary Bryant deep for a C And Ryan Sanborn, too. Try and pin the Trojans deep. Snap is good. Kick is high, wobbly, fair catch called for and it'll bounce into the end zone and the charges were getting at the 20 after all that For 44 yards on the punt. No return, Okay, closed. So now the challenge that he pleaded Stanford defensive backfield due to injury three. The top four guys not available tonight. And keeping Slovis. Who is Career right around 70%. That is the challenge that Lance Anderson and Stanford defensive coaches will have as USC begins his first possession five wide on first down Kevin Slovis and no Magnum Farrar to start the game. It's damuni and Ricky Maison Slovis. Three man Rush, standing tall in the pocket feet are moving Now He just chucks it near sideline out of bounds. So nice job by the Stanford secondary Good coverage by Kendall Williamson. And nothing doing coverage Sector times. Five. That's a lot of time back there. Yeah. Great job by Makeshift Stanford secondary Slovis at all kinds of time. It couldn't find one of those five guys open and Jimmy wire it getting the start true freshman. Yep. He's in the slot. Slovis..
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"Previous play is under review for a possible targeting file. Wow, this this this might be the first time in history that a kicker is He's picked up the game for targeting. Goodness. I mean, it was It was a pop kickers Don't do tackling drills. Let's take a look. You know what? John? Very close. Very close. I mean, he led with the helmet and he hit him just underneath the chin strap. Can you imagine? I think I think he's going to get the thumb. Parker Lewis. What a strange development. We haven't had a play from scrimmage yet and we might have a kicker ejected. So Pete was already you've been hitting from below. And was already going to the ground, so he was in kind of a vulnerable position when he got popped, and that made it more jarring. Time to start figuring out how the backup kicker is. Yeah, well, where we may. We may be digging into that hearing about 45 seconds. All right, so If Tanner McKee had some butterflies, they will only grow. Verdict is in verdict is in after review, pushing foul targeting 48 kicking team 15 yard penalty in automatic, first down number 48. It's disqualified. This may be a first in college football history. I can't imagine another one is really none Power five games that we followed. The U. S. C kicker. Parker Lewis has been ejected. I mean, this changes right question it does. I don't know what they're kicking depth is like, but wow. Weapon weapon lost. Meanwhile, Stanford.
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"In the inland Empire part Of this Southern California region. Scott and his high school teammates were Drake Jackson and Corey Formats with two of the premiere edge guys in this conference of Informants freshman But he's a five star, but they're going up against a teammate. Bit of a Entering their interesting Rivalry there on the field inside the game. You think they'll take it easy on their former teammate? I don't think we'll speak. I don't think we'll succeed can keep pile driven into the ground. Okay, So we got that going next. Uh huh. All right. There was actually another brief delay there for a moment of silence for Sam Cunningham, who you mentioned while great USC fullback in the early 19 seventies brother of Randall Cunningham out of Santa Barbara High School. Played in that historic USC win or Alabama in 1972 precipitated Bryant, Finally integrating his team have also Equally famously known for four touchdowns, leaping over Ohio State defensive lineman in the U. S. C s 42 17 1973 Rose Bowl win over the Buckeyes to captain undefeated. The national championship season for John McCain's Trojans. USC getting set to kick it off left to right, Nathaniel Peak. And Austin Jones that deep for the Cardinals. Had a lot of kick return action last week against Kansas State. We'll see if it gets to get the legs churning here tonight. The kick is a bouncing kick field at the five by Pete We'll bring it back inside the numbers get to block his across the 25 30 and get hammered at the 32 yard line, but pops right up as if to say You didn't hurt me. Took a shot at a good return. As Parker Lewis, the kicker was the guy who laid the lump mishit the kick a good job by beat that type Scotty like an infielder, charging a two hopper. He caught it on the second bounce and had his momentum going forward. That precipitated it. Nice return, study things up for Stanford at their own 32 yard line. Tanner McKee and the offense on the field. And how about this? We've got Jones and E. J. Smith out there. On the first play from scrimmage, Smith Of course, the son of the legendary Emmitt Smith. He is lined up in the slot to the left or the right hash. We could see a healthy diet to screen passes in this game, and B. J. Smith could be a primary target in that regard. And we have a stoppage before a started here as the officials have stopped play, and, uh I don't know why. Blink. Lock not running. Maybe the.
"tanner mckee" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"Booker. Fullback Houston High Muley. You guys, of course. Michael Wilson, the receiver and Jordan Fox outside linebacker. Alright, starting lineups for the cardinal on offense. Tanner McKee first career start. These 66 £228 sophomore from Corona, California are running back is Austin Jones Jr from ENIAC, Houston. Hi, Millie. Is the fullback. Wide receivers Elijah Higgins and Bryson Tremaine. Tight end Ben, You're a sick and your offensive line left to right. Walter Rouse, Barret Miller, Drake Nugent, Branson brag and Miles hidden 335 defense for Todd Orlando and the U. S. C. Trojans up front, it will be to eat to below two. Stanley to our full and potentially Corey Foreman, the five star freshman making the start here today in place of the injured Nick Figueroa. Linebackers. Can I Marga, assuming he's back from the Covid list will be in the middle. Drake, Jackson and Raylan go forth the outside backers and the defensive backs. There are many who will play in this game corners are Isaac Taylor Stuart Christie, a couple of veterans Brick Johnson, the Nickelback. Although we'll see a lot of Caleb Bullock, the freshman from Pasadena, who played really well in the game against San Jose State, the safeties are chased Williams and Isaiah Palomo. Who, among other claims to fame is the nephew of Troy Polamalu over the Pittsburgh Steelers. Great. A bit of injuring. Scott Tanner McKee getting the start for Stanford quarterback got Corona Centennial High School that's.
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"Northern Iowa. I know the Hawkeyes are, you know they've won seven in a row. I think they're 61 against the number. They're covered by big numbers and some of those games. I know this is a tougher venue than last week, but I love them and I love Utah. Against gives BYU b Y You've got some injuries and and the Utes are stacked on the line of scrimmage and that linebacker is unbelievable. So give me your thoughts on those two. Yeah, I'm going to agree with you on both. I think when you look at the Iowa Iowa State game last week, I said about Georgia, Clemson that this is going to be a tight low scoring game probably decided by three points. So I like the underdog. Ah, and it's the same thing. I'm going to stay here. Iowa State is much better than what they showed against Northern Iowa, and they probably have the better offense. But I love Iowa's defense. And here's the thing. Iowa last year opened up with four and one point losses. They could easily have been, too and oh, But then they just absolutely dominated their next exposed. Had they been able to play Michigan had they been able to play Missouri. They would have won those two games handily. They would have been in the top 10, and then they showed it against Indiana last week as well just dominated the game. And guess what? Matt Campbell Oh, and five against Kirk parents. So you've got Kirk. France has never lost a Campbell. He's getting 4 4.5 in this game. I'm taking the underdog Iowa and a possible upset and I have to agree with you. I watch BYU last week. They look good getting out to the 21 to 3 lead. Then they left Tommy's Arizona team get. That's right. Don't give up on the cat's fill that safety was a big play getting them back in. But hey, Arizona, actually outgained BYU for 26 to 3 68. I want to launch some bets if you had told me that coming into it. So this is Utah team that I think might be as good as their 2019 version. There was hard with making the playoffs and I like Charlie Brewer, a quarterback. I love the defense. I like Utah to go out there. And even though it's seven and a rivalry game on the road, I'm still going to take the youths in that one. The guru is dropping knowledge, Mr Bill Steele joining us as he does every week here on the top part Kruger in Brooks Show. I like this Throwback Southwest Conference game between Texas and Arkansas. Arkansas made a little noise. Uh, last year, I'm wondering if you think it's sustainable. Can they have a carry over in a successful season in Texas? It was a little shaky. Against the raging Cajuns to start but eventually Sarkeesian and his his crew got started in Sarkisian's first game. Yeah, we have a feel on on on that matchup. Well, First of all, you had to bring up Arkansas because I had rice plus 20 last. Oh, no price was up 17 to 7, and then I'm watching the game in the fourth quarter. Arkansas finally takes a seven point lead. We're safe as a baby. Arkansas scores with four minutes and 30 seconds left. We're safe as a baby Rice gets the first down. Also, we're going to do is get one more. First down. This game is going to end. Interception returned 40 yards the 20 and then Arkansas gets a first and goal at the three with 58 seconds left. Take a knee right nuke. They go for the touchdown in the cover and 21 point, So I had digested that dog on thing is a win all day long. I mean, when you're up, 17 started getting 20 You feel pretty good, Just lift out of my stomach and thrown in the state. But I digress. Let's go back. Ach, you've gotten over, you know? Yeah. I never done nothing. I went Arkansas. You hit it right on the head. I thought they were dangerous as a dog. Last year, seven and three. They were actually an underdog in all 10 SEC games, and they won. Three of them could have won five or six of them, so they're very dangerous Dog ran home. And while this is an old rivalry, and you know, fans like me are really excited that Arkansas, Texas are playing again. I don't know. If Texas is is excited as Arkansas is Arkansas has got Texas coming to home. They're really, really pumped for it. They played great as a dog last year, so I like Texas to win the game. I think they're the better team, but I think Arkansas keeps it under the touchdown spread. Yet Texas actually looked good last week. I mean, there's just no goofy stuff be. Gene Robinson is just a stud. I like what I decided that my practice it back and And watch that one and see. See what happens. What do you got? For Stanford? USC? I mean, Stanford couldn't run the ball against Kansas State. They're deciding on a quarterback who they decided this week to be McKee. Uh, U. S C. There was a pretty good efforts and Jose states have pretty good football team and they didn't blow them out early, But they methodically extended have been him. 32 7 defense looked really good. How do you see Stanford Faring here? It's a big big number in a conference game. You know, on one note for you on Texas time when I talked to coach Sarkeesian going over the team with him, he was really happy with the talent that he inherited and pointed out to me. There were three plays away from basically being 10. And so last year So he was pretty excited about what they had come in. The biggest question Mark was quarterback and I thought Hudson card look good. But let's talk about the USC Stanford game. And you know this game would have been 10. Maybe 7 to 10 points prior to last week's game, and now it's all the way up to 17. But I don't think Stanford's as bad as they looked, and The one thing I wanted to see how the Stanford in August was Tanner McKee to take that position and all of a sudden, I think you'd have a much better Stanford team. He didn't take it, but at least he's going to get the job this week, and they're not going to all their names. I think that's a plus. I like Stanford's possibilities. I don't think that there as bad as they looked last week, maybe David Shaw talking about the nine a.m. start all summer long might have had that in the team's head that there was an early start. I liked what I saw the USC last week. I think us he's a better team. I like to bring the Children to win this one. Probably by about 14. I think Vegas over adjusted, so I'm actually going to go with the underdog Cardinal in that one. Phil, you are the man. We love your segment every week. Two games that I'll be watching this weekend that I got to get your thoughts on A and M in Boulder against Colorado A and M dealt with Kent State's uptempo scheme last week in Crumb, and they covered the The big number, which was surprising It was almost miraculous, but they're given 17 now in Boulder against the Buffs. What society on there. And then I think one of the more interesting games in college football this weekend is NC state. Mississippi State. NC State's got that 335, and now you're going up against Leach and his air raid. A scheme and Mississippi State was a mess. Last week 12 penalties, six turnovers against Louisiana attack. Give me your side In both those two Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to lean with a and M My biggest story in it is the altitude in the fourth quarter. Will that get to Texas A and M at all. But if you can take Dustin crumble, I think is an NFL caliber quarterback. It can't state and just shut them down like they did hold them to 10 points..