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Interview with Dillan on Skeptics

Paranormal Analytical

1:00:53 hr | 1 year ago

Interview with Dillan on Skeptics

"Hello. Everybody. Welcome to Paranormal Analytical I. Know You guys see the title new might be confused because you only see? Me and Rick Warren here who's the guest? Who's the guest rick? I know you've had people whose the guest Tanguay going. This is a different episode because for every other episode, I've been able to say your host Dylan holiday along with my co-host, the Professor Rick, Warren but today your host Rick Warren along with the Guest Dylan Holiday Inn with that wreck I'm GonNa ask you how your day is all I have had a fantastic day bill and thank you so much. How are you? I'm doing great You know I'm ready for this I've never been interviewed before I don't know I. Don't Know How many folks maybe know that or don't know that, but I've never been interviewed. So this is. Completely foreign to me. We have Debbie Taylor in the chat. She says Hello Hi Debbie Rick Taken Away Buddy. Okay. Well, I'm just GONNA take off and say Dylan. We have never interviewed you you know and I've never had talked. and. Your ideas I've heard your ideas on the show and shows about skeptics and I thought. Who in the hell else would would be a better guest than somebody who is a skeptic as yourself? 'cause Dylan. You've done a lot a lot of things behind his show and those are things that people just don't understand that see and. At not only in production, but also in research also an lining up bookings and things like that that you know. It's a lot of work a lot of work and you see the people that you see and you deal with the people that you do with. But a my question sometimes is, how do you deal with that as far as the skeptic you know and this is what we're GonNa talk about right now you know as you as a skeptic, how do you fit into the paranormal world? Well you know I think that I fit in the paranormal world, a similarly to how someone like an art bell fits into the paranormal world not comparing myself to our L. But saying, you know this is a man who wasn't an investigator. But. He was a radio host you know he was a broadcaster he was a researcher and he was able to learn you know he was able to. Go to the paranormal without having those personal experiences he lived through other people's experiences and I. Think I kind of do the same Yeah. I see that sometimes when we have our guests on everything that you can actually parallel with what your research is and how you handle not only the guest but yourself you know and I have to wonder how do you handle yourself as far as I mean the people that come on board the people that you work with including myself you know and everything that that you have that persona and you have that characteristic and a virtue. So to speak of being able to walk side by side with people in this journalistic and I will call it journalistic because it is a type of journalistic when you broadcast like this. And and I have to sit there an applaud you and a lot of ways for what you've been able to do in the last, well two and a half years and I've been with you. Yeah you know it's interesting. I've worked with a lot of different people I've had a lot of different coast I've had. A lot of guests and the important thing to remember is that everybody's different. So the show that I do with you rick is going to be way different than the show that I do with Eddie because. As a broadcaster as a journalist, you have to be able to gauge. You know who you're with what the subject matter is and you have to take it from there. You know have I always been the best? No, but I've always done my best. You know a lot of people have come and gone from the firm here, and a lot of a lot of people have come on become mainstays like myself. You know I I, didn't start this with any. This was this was anything I was brought on Rick you were brought on yes. Yeah. Yeah and I have to wonder you know as we sit there and talk about skeptics. Okay. With you being skeptic. Okay. How does this lineup with the paranormal world and your belief system? You know. It. Times. It makes makes doing a show like this difficult but. It's important. Remember that. My job isn't to be the determiner on if somebody is you know on the show telling the one hundred percent accurate truth. My job is to get their story out there to the audience who watch for that kind of content. And I think that. You know I can separate my personal feelings from an interview because while you know everyone who's watching knows that I'm a skeptic you know if you're watching the show. My personal opinions don't really come into the come into play all that often. You know. It's not my story to tell the guests. Right, right right and saying that. I have to wonder also where do Some of the interviews that you've done. I. Know you've done some fantastic interviews where does that leave you in your belief as it's gone throughout the years in the months and weeks and everything that you've dealt with these people? You know. That's a good question. You. It changed if you haven't heard about anchor, it's the easiest way to make podcast. Let me explain first off it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts and many more. You can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place. It's how I started. So trust me when I say. Anchor, it's the way to go if you're making a podcast. Download the free APP or go to anchor DOT FM to get started Jill. because. You're. thinking. What you think. And you hear so many different stories. So many people saying the same story and you start to think you know what I've heard the story too many times the same way for it not to be true. So maybe this person did experience this. You self reflect. Right right has anything changed in you as far as a broadcaster, and once you dealt with as far as a person or a personal experiences maybe that you've actually felt maybe after the show or after talking to somebody on the phone or actually interviewing somebody that changed your mind. Yeah I think I've gotten better. With interviewing you know. As time goes by when I started it was more rough. Not. So much anymore. How is that? What do you mean? I wasn't a good interviewer when I started, you know I wasn't asking the right questions I wasn't I wasn't making guests feel comfortable. But I've grown as a as a gay journalist I've been able to ask the right questions I've been able to make people feel comfortable. On a show. Okay. Being subjective as far as what you have to be because we just can't sit there and and throw our emotions into what the story is like. You just said okay. But on the show itself sometimes do you have feelings that come into play as far as maybe the? Interviewer and the interviewee. Of course you know. It's no secret that spiritual episodes have exactly been my my favorite to do you know because spiritualism is something that I don't exactly put I. Don't put my eggs in that basket. So I'm interviewing someone who's who's spiritual those are more difficult interviews but those were interviews where I have to be at my most understanding and at times I've done that gracefully in at times I wasn't so graceful. But, it's important to always remember you know you have to move on. You never let the last interview impede the next. Yeah, we some people in the chat dylan that saying Hello Guys Debbie Taylor's one of them and to Nella did jury Oh is that right on my? Pronouncing that right Antonella and Sonya, and we had James tope slammed and well Scott Hatton's hello everybody and I'd be interested I really would like to have a somebody. Maybe ask a question in Chap that they want to ask Dylan that they've never been able to do before because this is the first. This is the first that I've ever had a chance to really talk with Dylan and actually get a one on one basis as far as what we go through on this show and sometimes. It affects us not going to lie. I'm. Not, GonNa lie it does and I would love to hear what goes on in you guys minds as far as the chat and people listen to us and aside from what we have with Dylan than me when we talk because there's things that we have to talk about what we Dylan of course. Yeah and it takes us on a trip on kind of like I'm just going to say it takes us places where we didn't think it was gonna take us sometimes because you people are interesting I'm going to put it that way. But. Getting. Back to dillon and everything I. Want I have spent my time with this man and I spent my time listening to him grow up on air so to speak his maturity. his forethought of who he talks to and how he handles themselves to something that. I have to a plot because. He wasn't at one point the man so to speak and we grow up on the air. So to speak, don't we deal on. Yeah and it. It's amazing. What learn you know? Not only not only did I grow up on the air but I mean I physically grew up here early and? Let's not forget the fact that when I was. Seventeen I I started on the show. Be Twenty one in a couple of months. So. There was an actual growth there where. There were there were weeks where I was busy with everything. You know from baseball to go into school where I would take time out of my data research, the topics that we would be talking about that week. You Know Darin wedlock has a question. He says defined skeptics. You don't believe at all. Were you mean you're not easily convinced having downsized reservations that we should all the we should all have a healthy dose of. That's a fantastic question a fantastic. Darren. Kind of both you know. As far as like spiritual beliefs. I. Don't I don't believe in you know a mono figure. You know I don't believe in centralized you know but as far as a As far as a ghost story or an alien storing abduction story, those are truthfully case by case basis and while I myself have never had one of those experiences and that's why I can sit here and say you know what guys I'm not exactly sold on the idea of aliens and ghosts. If somebody sits here tells me their story in their story is convincing. I'm not going to take that away from that person. I'm not going to say, Oh, well, you know go start real right? I'm going to say you know what? That was a fascinating story and I learned something from it. I think that's what skepticism is. Skepticism is being able to take your own opinion. In Naughton. Peed your feelings over a guest over a topic and I I think I've done that you know over the years. If there's if there's anything you know one of the episodes, a Lotta People Remember the Mermaid episode, you know Yeah I don't know how many people would say that they believe in Mermaids but I can tell you myself and Eddie put up a poll and like fifty percent of the people who were pulled said that they do earth sixty us some you know bigger than the people saying no and I thought that was wild but I still came out did. The episode you know Well, speaking Vati I'm going to take you back there as we're gonNA regress a little bit back into the timeframe of when the show was just beginning to start and you and Eddie. Had your thing going and everything else like that? How did you guys ever come up with this idea of paranormal analytical? Like I said, any already had the idea of paranormal analytical. It was already a page. You know it wasn't. It wasn't. They were already doing shows. You know it wasn't something that I really contributed to at the time. I was brought on later to be a special guest host. And then later, I just kind of filled the rule. The idea came from Eddie, but the idea is. Let's share folks different experiences with the paranormal. You know there's a lot of different folks out there that have had paranormal experiences in a lot of those experiences different not every not every paranormal experiences the exact same. You know. And that I think is the core of the show. Let's get these people stories out there and maybe more people will talk about it. Maybe maybe we can normalize the paranormal see because even as a skeptic. If, there's facs if there's evidence, I'm all for sitting down and seeing them or hearing the VP's I have never once turned down seeing a video or picture or hearing an evening. And brings me, I'm next question I mean what? Evidence says Eddie and the group down there and and Tucks. As they say. What. What was the most fantastic show that you actually had to walkway and shake your head and say? You almost. Got Me. Wow. That's a great question you know. There was a lady on Marie Dondo. WHO It was shortly after Eddie at left and given me the mantle of the show. and. This lady had message me out of the blue and said I'd be interested in doing paranormal show I love doing shoes. And that's that's a red flag is a booker you know well. I. Got You. This lady came on and her story blew me away man that would be the one where I said you know what you got me. And it wasn't that she almost caught me. It was that's the one where that if you haven't seen that episode that woman was so honest. So forthcoming, you know and just a great interview. Yeah. Yeah. I. Agree that that one was that was mind boggling actually. I mean. It touched me to as far as when I go back and listen to an I. would I would. Agree with you I mean, if you people out there, listening right now, go back to that episode and take a look at that and listen to that episode because it is such an interesting and It. Just makes you want to. You know it touches you in here in your heart and in your mind and in your spirit, and I would I would ask you guys to please go back to that episode and and take a look and my next question for. Their Mr. skeptic. How How. Is it? You can be a skeptic K. and how do you do what they theism? You know. Myself Landon Wells who's in the chat of had this kind of discussion. I know. I think everybody gauges atheism on their own level. What is an atheist? What's an atheist to? Me might not be an atheist to you wreck and what's an atheist is completely different than what's an atheist to me? I think that. As a skeptic easiest is one of those certain Passi you're going to meet. You know when you're skeptics, there are going to be people that say. If? You don't believe in ghosts than you intern don't believe in spirits, and if you don't believe in spirits than intern, you don't believe in God people try to paint skeptics in this terrible terrible light. Right. That's not necessarily the truth you know just because you're a skeptic doesn't mean you have no faith see and I think that that's that's one of those Rumors the kind of the paranormal has his spread because the paranormal world for as lovely as it has been to. So many of us, you know the the paranormal world has it's brutal rumors and they will blacklist certain. They will. You know. I it seems like the people who were blacklisted. The most are the skeptics atheists and the young people you know those the people that are blacklisted as far as facing atheism. It's one of the parts of the job where you get. You get people who are going to come on. Come on your show and of course, they're they're driven by spirituality. Once again, I'm not going to attack them personally and. I know I don't believe that I am. But there again, other people may feel like an so. That's for other people's debate not for my own. Right I agree totally on that on that concept I really because basically B. Being native. American. Okay. There's a lot of people that don't understand that world and there's that again with you and me being in the paranormal with Eddie and everybody else being in the paranormal we're in a world that people really don't understand. Let's face it. You know. Can you really Set there and draw an opinion on one show. Or does it take two or three days to take four or five to set there and give you an idea of what we do with on that plane in that world and I do have to say that you as far as being a skeptic and maybe some of the others in a chat room and everything as far as being skeptical and everything we all are skeptics to appoint. I WanNa make that I wanna make that perfectly clear. We all are skeptics to appoint I have my own skepticism as far as some of the things that I've seen was that real. Did I just hear that was that for me is that touching my heart or my feelings and then there's people like landon and asset there and and everybody that and Eddie that set there and walk into this world and it's Kinda like just Kinda hold hands and here we go. And how do you deal with us? Yeah you know I. It's one of those things I think that. Once again. With there being so many taboos in the world of the paranormal, which by the way is a sentence that you should never have to say you know that might even the people who were misunderstood misunderstand other people. It's one of those interesting things that I think the most important thing to do is stay true to yourself. If it listen if you're if you're doing a show with the, you know five people are on that show saying we'll God does exist and here's why at the end of the day if you know if you don't feel that way if you can't have that same conclusion as then. It doesn't mean that you're wrong. It doesn't mean that they're right. It just means you're gonNA walk away from that show having different conclusions. True. That's very true because there has been shows now will agree with that hundred percent that I've not drawn same conclusion as what are the people have, and I talked with them and I see their skepticism coming out so to speak but yet. It's just like with me and you you and I will talk about some of the instances and some of the cases that we've done and everything and we an even though we choose to disagree on some of the items that we have talked about. It still a belief and I have to applaud you with your belief because. You, hold it sacred to you, and you hold very close to you and I am a lot of people don't understand that walk that you. As a skeptic casts take. Is that is that fair to say as a one hundred percent fair statement. And I. I appreciate you saying because I think that that puts that puts the discussion in a little bit different alight see when people think skeptics and even in even in the comments here, this discussion about skeptics has become a discussion about atheism because if you're a skeptic, you're supposedly automatically Nathan most because. Because as opposed to saying I believe, and I have questions to ask you know. I if you if you ask questions about this this this secret being if you ask questions about religion people get upset. But at the end of the day, isn't that our goal is man to see answers isn't that what we're trying to seek you know our trying to find and folks say, will the Bible has all the answers while which version of the Bible when was it written what year and can I actually understand what was being read? was what was being written and just because I understand it doesn't make me confused or stupid. It just means that I have questions that haven't been answered for me, and if you walk away in all of those, you know. Is have been dotted in those ts have been crossed. Great. Were just going to be different and that's okay. Yeah. But. I I wish that more people could get together and work together. I wish more psychics could work with skeptics wished that more believers could work with atheists. Unfortunately. This field just doesn't have that that that feeling of being all inclusive. Exactly. I agree totally I. Guess Monas-, Question Dillon with you as far as being and we're talking to Matt Skepticism is what would make you believe what would it take? I know that you never been on an investigation. Okay. I hope that's GonNa Change soon and I'm wondering going into this and everything as far as the next investigation that you're planning on doing and everything how do you prep yourself as a skeptic or does that bother you? Going into an investigation. You. Know a lot of people say that you have to ground yourself that you have to protect yourself that you have to physically shield yourself that you have to. You know use spiritual warfare and pray at the end of the day isn't that a question of will and not a question of spirituality at the end of the day it am I not protecting myself through my share of will as opposed to which train IHOP. On spiritually. You know if you look at like this. A lot of a lot of different religions can do. Can do extra systems. A lot of religion different religions are able to extra systems but the Catholic religion is the one that is the most accepted to do extra dominant, and so if all of these religions are different. Okay How is it that all of these different religions are able to all do an exorcism? Wouldn't it make sense that only true religion would be able to do an exorcism? Strove. So maybe it's not a question of spirituality maybe it's a question of will. Incur we'll take you and me. Okay where does that leave you in me as far as being investigators as far as being journalistic as far as bringing show two people to where we can have people actually see what you I go through and what we believe in and and I hesitate to say believe because that is a misnomer in itself. It's kind of a catch twenty two and my right or wrong one hundred percent correct. Yeah. And I and I sat there and I look at you and I, and we sat there and we do these shows and we have people talk to him in the chat and some of the things in the chat. I'm not even address. Because we're talking about skepticism and a healthy sense of the word. Okay and it's healthy to be skeptic it is for me. And I think it's healthy for everybody else to be skeptic. Okay. Because we don't if we're not skeptic then. I would say that sometimes some of the people are even almost jaded in essence a belief. Is that fair to say I agree with that one, hundred percent interviewed folks like that where Anybody can tell them a story and they're going to say you know what? I, one hundred percent believe it and you know what? That's. That's fine for you but it's it's not fine for me. I have questions and this show gave me the outlet to be able to ask those questions. If I don't take something seriously you're I don't necessarily follow somebody story I'm going to ask those follow up questions. So why can better understand the situation? At, the end of the day when I'm interviewing, I'm trying to put myself in that person's shoes I'm trying to live vicariously through that person. I want I wanNA smell they smelt I want to feel what they feel I want to touch what they touch and. As far as your question is what would make you believe if someone can make me feel what they felt smell what they smelt touch what they touched, I will believe. I like that I like that I have to agree with that totally because I've been those same kind of instances that Actually when I walked in I, have this. Almost, disbelief so to speak. But as I grew in that instance and as I saw what was being portrayed in front of me, those beliefs and my character, my persona and my spirituality changed on a dying. And that's going to happen to everyone it was sooner or later because let's face it. We're GONNA go to the spirit world and K., and I want to know exactly I wanNA know exactly to as much as I can what's going to happen there when I get there and how how many how better is it not to have people like people in the chat that are talking to us how's it better not to have people like you and me and Eddie and everybody concerned renee in and everybody on that team to sit there and talk to and set their pose questions and give a response to something maybe that I don't even know. Yeah you know and that's that's a fantastic thing you know. That goes back to another question though you know you brought up clean the the afterlife we all want to after world. What's The afterworld? Is The afterworld a heaven or is it just the same shoes we've been walking in just a little bit different these to me your healthy questions ask these are. Questions of philosophy, the by the way have been asked for. Hundreds of years, hundreds of thousands of years. So if a woman wants to shit on the questioning of religion, the questioning of life and death, you have to go back and shit on not our greatest minds but the world's greatest minds the you know Bingo earliest philosophers asked the same questions and we still don't have those answers and. I'm someone who needs those answers will ever get them. No. But you know what? I'm still going to ask the questions in have hopes. All that's beautiful I like that because if we don't have hope Dylan I would say stu doing this kind of kind of stuff I really would because hope something that gives you and me the ability set there and have that. Angst to go on. Go. On the next show, go on the next investigation I, know you and I and Eddie, and everybody that's in this. Broadcast and everything we've been on those investigations and and you've had the questions and you've had the interviews and you've had the people in front of you or online and everything that sets there, and we don't know what's coming next Outta. Those people because they've lived a different world just like you and me. and. That's what I'm trying to do. You know everybody who interview I'm just trying to take a small piece. I'm just trying to really understand the world they live in I'm trying to understand what happened to them in for some people it's easier for me to tracks others. That's why spiritual episodes of always been difficult for me. Because I'm not someone that's in touched with spirituality in that aspect of spirituality see. So those are difficult shows for me to do because there isn't a connection. But if you paint a picture for me and say, you know what man I was out in the woods hunting I, had my rifle drawn on this deer and I just felt this presence of something and then I looked up in the sky in there was this this saucer shape you know in all sorts of lights now you're painting that picture now now, I'm starting to feel what you felt. You have me on board. All right in the question is is, where does the story go from here? You know? Going to take me into a direction that I'm not going to be able to understand or you WanNa, take me into a direction that I can understand. Fully as is the difference between me being a skeptic and not being skeptic people think skeptics just turned on everything like I said, if you have evidence of something in the picture video, send it over I'll happily you look at it. and. The word debunks kind of taboo and overused word. But a lot of times what people are picking up or everyday things that just happen they don't necessarily understand. Yeah. Are things that that. I get down with some of these shows sometimes I have to sit back and as I closed my eyes and I will say, probably a lot of the people on this show a lot of people that we've interviewed when we close our eyes at night, we have questions. We have different ideals as far as what's going on where it's going where I who am I and sometimes. We sat there and when we do these interviews, like you've interviewed a lot more people in meet okay and I and I have to applaud you for that because you've been able to go ahead and take that risk and it is it is a risk to interview somebody because you don't know what you're going to get. You know you don't know where they're going to take you but you've been able to sit there and do that exclusively with a lot of different people and you've handled it well and I will give you that but. What we're, where does that take you when you're done with an interview? It isn't just a question and answer session it is. Something on paper. It touches you. Because it takes me to a point of self review self reflection if you will I guess the common. Term. I don't get spiritual lot on the air because I'm in I'm in tune with my own spirituality. It's different than a lot of other folks you know I'm not Rene I don't talk so much about the meditation side because to me. The best form of meditation is asking yourself a simple question like what can I do better next time? What did I take away from this episode that I just did. and. You know. How can I? Better formulate this person story. So it touches more people, those kinds of things that I reflect on. It's all self reflection. It's Mu asking myself how I can do better one I can change how I can make guests and visitors people who you know view our programming. How can I, make everyone feel more comfortable. The show of a debate. You know their God knows how many shows you can go to if you want that. And I don't want to feel like a debate I want this show to feel like a discussion about all things that should be commonly discussed. We should be able to talk about feelings of religion we should be able to we should be able to question the paranormal. We should be able to question the extraterrestrial. We should be able to question these things and bounce. Ideas off of each other. Oh I. I agree totally on that because I will tell you this and I'm sure there's a lot of people that will agree with the statement that there is no experts. In the paranormal, we're all learning I'm still learning I've been in for a long time. And I'm still learning because. That's where we're going people. We're going to the next world we're going to the spirit world. And what your beliefs are and what you see, what you say is GonNa touch one in other just like mean dylan do just like what Eddie nine talk about sometimes all three of us get together. We have around House and we sat there and I know Eddie might be listening I. Hope so in their Eddie But no I'll tell you I. Thank you for allowing me to do this because I wanted to touch base with you and actually get your opinion on what a skeptic is and what skepticism is and how touches you personally how does it mind? Mind control you sometimes L. Does with me. One hundred. Skepticism can be bad. You know. There are times where I have to catch myself. You know when someone will tell me a story and I go. Bullshit. To catch yourself. Yep. I agree. Yeah. Because when you sit there and do that. Am I bringing forth my belief or am I bringing forth? A predisposed belief. You know. Sometimes. Sometimes, some of those people when they sit there and have an opinion maybe to set there and stop and think about what their next question might be or what there might their next statement might be because somebody might be listening to you and I tonight. And their skepticism something that has held them back from asking at twenty yet question either to you or to me already or whoever might they ask it to and it will change their life and I know that you change mice before you've you've interviewed people that's lives have been changed. You know I don't. I don't want to sit here and say that I take credit for any of any of that. You know I don't want to say that you know I'm the reason that people can walk away and ask these difficult questions. I, don't because I don't believe it was me I think that's where these people would have ended up. Anyway maybe I spent up the process. Maybe these people you know maybe these people were going to ask a question at some other point in they just didn't have the right words and I've given them those words. I think that. At, the end of the day, it's not a debate on if skepticism is good or bad it's how much scepticism is healthy. How much scepticism is unhealthy and how can we? How can we teach people to catch themselves? You know like wh what I said you know sometimes telling a story and I'll say bullshit and I have to catch myself and say you know what? No I WANNA hear more. Because I can't I can't let skepticism hold me back from trying to find answers regardless of what side those answers run. And Ladies and gentlemen if there's any point that I can make to you that I really want you to cling onto from this episode. I think that that that point should be this regardless of your skeptic or a fucking die hard believer you have to be able to admit if you're wrong. Oh. Yeah. If somebody comes to me, listen if God comes to me today and says Hey Buddy I've been listening to your show for the last two years. Seems like you're a little off the path. Let me tell you I am here. Hey I have to be able to admit you know what I think God Israel I do believe in God in listen. If if by some Miracle some you guys that are you know die hard believers believe everything you hear if you're giving evidence the proof, something's not real. You have to take a step back and instead of making it a conspiracy, you have to be able to say you know what guys I might have been wrong here, and that's okay listen it's more unhealthy to always have to be right than it is you know to be a skeptic grew to be a diehard leave. Now you know be able to admit if you're right and if you're wrong and if you are right man run with it, you know don't push down other people's throats but run with it. That's a very, very, very poignant statement right there because. I know for me when I first got into. The field. Dylan. I wanted I wanted somebody to tell me. You know what was going on because I had never had these questions. I'd had these experiences but I never had anybody explain them to me and when it happened to me when it become a part of my life. I wanted the truth. And I'll tell you what Dylan the truth is something. A lot of people can handle. Including Mason Times because I held onto that strong steadfast. Oh, by God, you know God is this and God is that but when I started opening my mind in my end might spirit to other things that was going on in the in the world itself it changed me. And a lot of people that I talked to including you as far as being able to talk the sometimes help change some of the walk said I was walking down and I went another direction I think that's what we can actually hope for. With you and me and Eddie and everybody else it's been on this show. Is that. We have that ability we have that. Love of humanity. So to speak to try to give somebody in a different outlook, you know, I. I appreciate that you're giving me credit for that. You know like I said I can't. I can't sit here and give myself credit for maybe changing a little bit. Maybe getting people look at things differently because truthfully believed that. I was no more than an agitator I- agitated. Agitated these people to be able to ask these questions listen it's happened where you know people people back in the day when I first came on, it was very much hard believers. People started asking my opinions I started asking the tough questions and for whatever reason man commenters were right they're making those seem types of assessments with me you know. The show had evolved. The show had evolved from one hundred percent everything being real to hey. Maybe this isn't accurate, but let's sit down and listen to this Guy Story. Let's all have a drink together. Let's sit here. Let's let's throw these ideas back and forth you know and I think that that is a one hundred percent healthy thing to do because at the end of the day listen if you believe that you saw three aliens outside of your window last night. I'm not going to be able to change your mind. You're not going to be able to change mine, but we can bounce these ideas back and forth off of each other. Now, if you have evidence of three aliens outside your window, that's another story. To in in doing these interviews, it's very rarely. Well, I have evidence. It's normally Oh, well I didn't have a camera at the time. It was so late at night or you know everything but yeah, I have evidence. It's Har- in listen it is it is one hundred percent. One of the most difficult things when doing this show is saying you know what I'm GonNa Listen To this guy story is an intently as if I lived at but you have to do it you can't get tired you can't zone out. You know. A- and and. I've seen a lot of interviewers when they're interviewing somebody as zone out you can't because you have to live that story with that person you have to make that person feel like when they're reliving it you're there with your hand on their shoulder. Actually you are you know because I mean, we have interviewed people to where we walked into their world and we've walked in that story as you say it and everything What do you see skepticism how healthy is going to be in the future firs? What's transpiring in this world in end and a lot of people that I talked to think the veil growing thinner with spirituality think the veil is is opening up to a more spiritual world. What would you say that Dylan? Not Everything's black and white, not everything is left to right and not everything is the way that you see written down. If you of my philosophy on where to go for answers. You go to the people. Who Don't make much. You don't go to the billion dollar corporations none of. You go to the guy who works with a local newspaper who's just telling the story. Those are the outlets that you should go because those are the guys that are going to be telling the story through a skeptics point of view. Those are the guys don't have you know the weight of all of this money and all of these sponsorships in their beliefs on their shoulder you know, and that's that's what you have to do. That's what you have to do have to. You have to be able to find sources. that. You know not necessarily support what you believe. But sources that aren't going to Piss you off and you read them. l., sources that are. All sides. Sources that are going to give all sides you know all insights, but they're not gonNa make you angry you know that's what I think's important and I know I'm kind of talking in code and a lot of people might get it in a lot of people might not. But those of you that get it I know you know what I'm talking about and those who don't you will. Yeah Yeah you will because if you stayed in his field long enough and I'm sure you've seen as just like I have an eddie and everybody else that's been in his field, all the people that we've interviewed and and talk to and everything there is a door. Okay. Once you open net door in the paranormal world once you open that door to the people and I'm not talking just the interviews that we have that come to the show I'm talking to everybody that's in this chat room right now I'm talking about everybody that sets here understands or is trying to understand what you and I go through and what we see and everything but one more question Dylan I gotta ask US okay. As a skeptic. When you are hassled. Or when you are. Basically pissed on. So to speak. By those that do not agree with your thought a where does that leave you on? How do you pick up yourself to come back on the show and actually carry on? You know what? At the end of the day you just have to know what you know you know. Listen there have been a lot of people in a lot of different shows that have shit on me for a lot of different reasons. But at the end of the day I know what I know and they know what I know. And they know what they know. and. We may once again walk away having different thoughts. But, I'm not GonNa let that way too heavily me because at the end of the day I know the research that I've done for this show I know that the answers that I found. I know that when we didn't episode talking about the Philadelphia Experiment. Can we go when we did an episode talking about Mermaids two years ago? I was the guy who was doing the research. There was nobody else helping Someone who watch those shows That I present that information like a skeptic. Actual actually there was there was skepticism had its own segment. I was giving you the facts I was telling you with what the firsthand accounts were. If somebody was saying I saw mermaid citing I had the quotes of this is what they say they saw exactly. Right, and then later in the show, there would be a segment where I said but guys, it's important to remember this this and this. It was its own segment in. That's what's important to remember is that you have to segment these things. You know because you don't want. You don't want your show. You don't want your program to be a cluster, fuck you know. I know that aspects of this show of kind of a cluster, Fox because there were a lot of different discussions happening in a lot of different places. To. It all started with an attack that you know was made. I'm sure you saw. You know at the end of the day. Those things build character for me. Those things helped me and when somebody. Who doesn't know as much as I know in this field calls me out on it I throw something back at them but I have to be the bigger man and I have to you know what I've done this for a long time. I know a lot more than maybe people think I do and. That's what's important to just know you're worth. No, you're worth in no that as a skeptic, you're just as valuable and just as important and your opinions are just as valid as a psychic or any other medium or any other host on a show. It doesn't matter if you've never done an investigation, it doesn't matter if you've done ten thousand, it does not mean that you're in P- opinion is invalid. Always remember that your opinion is valid. Expect here very well. Said I. Appreciate One hundred percent what you just said Dylan and as as being investigators. Investigation doesn't mean that every time that you go out the door, you're going to walk into it someplace and do a complete. Okay You and I both know that investigation seems to be walking the line between real and unreal by what we dig up by where we go with the investigation. Real quick about investments you Betcha I just like to say by the way this advice is coming from someone who hasn't done an investigation and if someone who has done an investigation gives you better better advice I'd be surprised. Regardless of what you're investigating, the most important thing about an investigation is to make sure you have a plan and if your plan is to not have a plan that's okay to. Go Hedrick, I, like that too I really do I think sometimes. I think a lot of people that want to say things and want to comment. Are afraid to do so because. It's a restriction that they're going to be made fun of or that they're going to be disagreed with or that's going to be slammed for what they say I will say this point blank on this show there is no stupid question on this show. If you have a question if you WANNA, ask me if you have a question, you want to ask Dylan or Eddie or anybody on this show I I want anybody and everybody to ask that question and Dylan's done a hell of a job, a Helluva job explaining some of the things that goes on with with his his investigating a mind, not only in the production side but only also in interviews and timing because let me tell you to set some of this stuff up with timing is a gift in itself because you have to know what you're doing with this time that we have right now. And just like any other investigation, we only have so much time to deal with that investigation and then accept you as a believer not me or not Dylan. I couldn't set a better myself that. Behind the scenes here you guys don't see as I'm looking at a clock. And I know when I have to wind down this show. And at the end of the day, investigation is a lot like this show. We're going to go out there. We're GONNA, find out what we find out. WE'RE GOING TO QUESTION WHY And then we're off. And I think that I think I think a lot of people like you said I think a lot of people are afraid to ask questions. I don't even think it's necessarily. People are afraid of looking stupid. I. Think People are afraid of not fitting in especially when you have this paranormal community, it's it for whatever reason the paranormal has become taboo to astro. Thank you. Let's not forget here everybody. The name of this program is Paranormal Analytical Okay if I'm booking guest and I say the title of my show is paranormal analytical that already gives that person the idea that you know what these guys might ask me some questions that I haven't been asked before. And I don't know how many times. I've asked a question and somebody was taken back via like I've been I've been sharing the story for twenty years and no one's ever asked me that question some. No did you know eighteen year old? Asked me that question? You have to look at things in every. Look it as as sphere that's in front of you. All right. If I have a spear here in front of me. I have to be able to turn that sphere. I have to be able to make this fear bigger log onto certain aspects. That's you have to do with an interview. That's what keeps the interview going. A paranormal investigation is no different. Exactly Yeah Yeah and we and what we find. You know we had to take back with us and I had to send look at that when I walk into my apartment or wherever I'm going that night, hotel room or whatever. And I have to live with what? I said. I have to live with what I did. And it's no different on this show because if I lose or you lose or of any loose, any type of credibility. We're done. If, we cannot tell you the truth if we cannot explain something to the fullest of our best and ability to say something that is true. The more worthless because we are not giving you the truth and I should explain that what what rick saluting to kind of in a coded way is these shows that fabricate what happens. Thank you. He was he didn't mean if you ask us a question, we have to be fully answering a lot of these Ilana. These questions don't have answers. He means or dramas to ask those questions to try to present possible answers. Our job is not to make allusions. So as far as. Darren has a lovely question here says shouldn't skepticism urge you to investigate or? That is a fantastic point was. I, I will be going on investigation soon, I will be doing kind of my own thing is for is inquiring my wave enquiring difference on a lot of folks in the paranormal realm my way of enquiring easy. I, do research I learn rather it be a documentary rather be a book rather be just interview it. All depends on how much time I have to prepare. And you know how deep I wanna get into that subject. These are the kinds of different Different avenues I can go down. Yeah. Yeah. Same here with me because we start talking about this last week. In the middle of the week and things like that. and. We figure this thing back and forth each out of me and Dylan as far as wanting to be interviewed and a skepticism and things like that, and it was very easy for me to follow that path because. I as a skeptic in the essence of saying there's things I don't believe in. There's things that have to be proved to me follow right in line with what Dylan this talk about when there's things that he questions when there's things that he doesn't understand and we all every one on this show in the chat room have and we turn to that ability to set their and question what is in our mind. One hundred percent well, said I think we have time for one more question if you've got one rick. do you have a? I do I I want to see and I want to I want you to. Tell me what do you think and how much more? Skeptics are needed in this field as far as being able to follow up on a show like this. Skeptics are necessity to the paranormal. Okay the. Has Been oversaturated by people who believe everything that they see. Hear touch everything. You know if I feel a gust of wind on my back, it has to be a ghost. It can't possibly be the air conditioner that's on. You know. We need skepticism. We need people that can ask those questions and we need people that can go back and say, Hey. I understand why you feel this way but is there a possibility that it was actually this because? That opens up the realm to having a bigger discussion that opens more. And that's important. It's important that in the world of the paranormal, we open up as many doors as we can. Because we're like you like we said this entire show. Skeptics or just like believers were all just trying to find answers. You know. With that Rick I think it's about time for us to wind down I. Want to say that you've given me a lot of credit on this program that. You know I don't know if I necessarily deserve to the folks in the comments that have been so kind once again, I don't know if I deserve it but rick, this was a fantastic idea to interview me. And regardless if the if the show was interesting or if it was a daughter not. I'm glad that I was able to experience this I'm glad that you were able to experiences and I'm glad that our audience was able to experience it also Oh, I agree totally rick you're one of the most important parts of this show when you don't even know it. and. You know. I. I guess I'll just say thank you because the old adage that goes is sometimes when somebody's pulling your prick, you just have to know when to shut up and enjoy. I'll I'll shut up and enjoyable rick was not. It's time for final thoughts and I'll let you take away partner Oh. Well, I don't have it well. Okay. Wow. No I just want to say that it's been a pleasure to interview. It's been something that I've wanted to pick your mind before. And It's not so much that I was speaking your mind. I got to know you even on a on a higher level and. In the sense that it's a professional level, it is a personal level and it's just like anybody in this chat room. We get to know each other and we get to know who's saying what and why and everything else like that and God bless you guys for your comments I do thank you and. We're GONNA do this again. I. Promise You. We're GONNA. Do this again later on Dylan. We. We certainly will sir, you know as far as my final thought goes guys I. Appreciate you guys opening up the hour. Hear me. Talk. I know that that's an unusual thing. And a lot of different ways and I know that. Opening up my opinions is different for a lot of you guys and it's not something that you're used to and it's not something that you necessarily understand. I just appreciate your patience in your understanding and. You're trying to understand because much like how when I interview somebody I'm hoping they paint a picture for me and for you the audience I just tried to. Bring you guys along and so you could walk in my shoes a bit. I'd like to thank everybody one more time Rick especially you. To Eddie to everybody. Who supported me over several years? I love you guys all and you know. I hope that you are blessed in what you do. Thank you all have a fantastic night. You. Betcha you betcha Dylan. Thank you for being such a good cooperative person and people. Thank you for listening to the show and thank you and let's part with these words. Okay. Well, you believe or not. You're going to be inspired and like say B.. I. Paranormal Analytical. Welcome. To. Our.

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S5 EP153 Going all in with business expert Curt Mercandante

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S5 EP153 Going all in with business expert Curt Mercandante

"Welcome to the podcast host. Bruce entered i on the show. We have could merkin. Dante could is a branding expert. A speaker a business strategist and he helps executives entrepreneurs and enterprises to become more purposeful productive and profitable now. Who doesn't want more of that. let's get started. everyone. Or i trust that you will in union and business up also doing well if this is your first time. Here at the podcast. Welcome it's great to have you here. This podcast is for you if you're just starting out in business considering a business or you've been seasoned entrepreneur for years. My guess i will give you the strategies and tactics that you need help you to close the gap from where you are to where you wanna be faster than you ever thought possible to get there. You're going to have to work hard new things but most of all you're going to have to go all in and art created and do the show because there's nothing more that i lock than eliminating roadblocks and short cutting the path to success in fact dot com white to celebrate your success with you to reach out to me for social media or mile now before we get into the shows that i just take a little shaky your phone and hit the subscribe button on the app to listening in on and if you're watching on youtube to skull on down and hit the subscribe button and don't forget to ring the bell that why you always have some motivation and some golden love right in your pocket. Lastly if you look you it. I please share this episode with your friends and family cuts got an important message. And he's got a pretty cool story as well and if we can help just one person to break through their barriers and to get on stock thing could no. I would have done our job. He on the podcast today. Let's get into this one for more than twenty. Three years could has counseled small businesses entrepreneurs as well as some of the largest corporations and associations in the united states. he's built three profitable businesses including a seven fig up an advertising agency cuts also a gallup certified strengths china and he's the host of the authority brand podcast and the author of the bestselling book five pillars of the freedom lost all good spoken and trained and consulted all around the world. And he's now he on the podcast to share his knowledge with you. I'm excited easy. So please help me. In welcoming kurt dante kurt dante. Welcome to the podcast. It's great to have you might. Thanks so much for having me my pleasure to be here or really looking forward to doing this. You make it really easy. Because you're a fellow podcast or as well and somebody in marketing branding and so this is going gonna be a really interesting conversation because that's my background as well before we get into any of that style. Just want to get to know you'll be. Why don't you tell the audience where you'll from and how long you been doing this thing for. Yes sure sure. Absolutely first and foremost my husband or a father. Four kids Originally grew up in the chicago area. We moved to charleston south carolina for awhile and actually last year. We sold everything. We own almost everything we own our house. We can all in minivan traveling around the country right now the united states and when they open up the borders we're going to travel around created own all our freedom bump nas locks down. We'll go somewhere else and just creating the freedom lifestyle that we want from a work perspective. I help entrepreneurs executives. Business owners delivered the right message. Right clients generate more revenue. And i've been in the pr advertising for about twenty five years over. That time i scale the a seven figure agency report ten years and Next tuesday i think is the three or four year anniversary of when i shut it down equal avenue because i ate my clients. Eight my business. I started over working with small and medium-sized businesses. To really help them. Because you know what give a damn they want to do anything the backbone of the economy and never has that been more important than right now. Absolutely got some questions about. That's all but i'm gonna just hold off on that for the time being to tell me about that traveling around thing in the state borders closed between sites. La not yet. they did a little bit. I wasn't that sure backman when it started Some states i heard were checking you know and they do these quarantines but some of them are enforceable. Some of them are You know we go up to illinois right now. Which are family. There won't even let us up to visit them. And there's such a one of the beautiful things about america is is federalism and state's rights. Obviously we've had problems with that pass but if you really hit the governance and once they go to a different right and so but but it's also very different in terms of the media in different states and in one st you'll talk to someone and they are completely panicked in fear because they're being fed something differently than in another state so it's interesting and so what i tell people. As were flowing like water the place retreated best and where we have freedom of so right now. We're we're near. The mountains in tennessee go hiking kayaking. I wanna glider ride yesterday for the first time We were in georgia. We're gonna go to the beach next month. And you know lockdown whatever. We're not locking down We'll be in safe you know. We're not putting anyone in harm's way but you know we know how to stay healthy. Yeah you know it's been. It's been a interesting year. That's for sure the start of the year has been pretty fearful and unknown for many people from all parts of the world. And just doing this podcasting thing. Talk to people all over the world But but i think now people walk ed conduct whatever just gonna get on with my life. It's part of part of our existence. A part of what it is and good bad indifferent. Whatever some people are winning some people losing what about your business is business prospering. During this time as well. Yeah it is. It is an and i don't feel guilty about saying that because you know i think i tell my clients the definition of business. It should be and if it's not get out of business making a positive impact on the life someone else. I don't care if you so golf balls or consulting right. Somehow you're making a positive impact on someone else and you got to adapt to how you do that. And so i. I know a lot of business owners who are like a month fan if you're used to in person sales or whatever a month in if you're still figuring out got it i totally have empathy for that like six seven eight months in a more still like there's nothing i can do. I call those people the thumb suckers right they go in the corner they curl up they suck their thumbs. Nothing i can do and then the people who are winning are are you know a lot. I lost thirty thousand dollars worth of revenue keynote speeches in about an eight hour period. Martin and i was mad for about eight hours. Then i got up and i said well. How am i going to recover that. And i just changed the way i do business everything i do. Nows virtual boot camps and this this actually wonderful. Mike can help people around the world. It's just like you. And i are talking right now and i can live wherever i want. My last bootcamp had a guy from zurich and a guy from michigan. I mean i. It's just so so there is opportunity. There's always opportunity. You just got an award it look. Yeah totally totally agree with that. It's a beautiful positive outlook. I love that so much. Had such a such a nice thing to here. And it's a really pleasant pleasantly described. Why the same thing happened to me. At the start of the year i had about four or five speaks lined up and i don't really get paid to do the speaking gauge but are do generate a lot of money to actually on the back end of it from selling stuff and winning new business inclines and things like that and same always always pretty cranky for about forty five minutes. I was like well. I don't have the money anyway and you know getting on applying and gone to another state and going somewhere is a bit of a pilot backside. Sometimes as well whatever all work out you know. It's not a big deal. And i just kind of like what am i. Just let it go and just just move forward. It's just nothing you can do about it. The there's you know there's restaurants that have you know you see it so clearly in the adaptability that some restaurants i mean. There's a restaurant near where there's a sign out front. That said all right. Go see in twenty twenty one. I talked to a business on last week. You said well. The business cycle is what it is. It's it's covid. I'm just waiting. My business is gonna come back when they have a vaccine. I'm not gonna get into vaccines. But if you're outsourcing your success on hope on anything else. I don't care if it's the vaccine i don't care if it's you know god coming down from on high and you're hoping that he's going to magically do whatever you're not in control and you're going to be in panic you know you got to focus on what you could truck. I mean this restaurant. sit down italian restaurants. Who built drive in windows in the side. And then there's other restaurants like nothing we can do and if you think there's nothing you can do. You're absolutely right there. You step back robert kiyosaki. He's got a great line and it's it's one line i'd say you know how it's it's such. It seems so simple. But if you start asking yourself this one question and changes you from scarcity mindset to an abundance mindset and. he was taught this by his rich dad quote unquote and it was instead of looking at something and saying. I can't afford that ask. How can i afford that. Changes everything because the other ways just close statement. Now it's like that forces me to be creative and theater. Something out that not going to be easy. But how can i do that. How can i figure out a way to do that. Then you start reverse engineering. Yeah love that. I love that a lot. I love the grant kado and one as well whether you like him. O- or hide him. He has some good stuff and an uncle. Jesse says that when you ten x something the multitude or the multiplication of ten x forces you to think completely differently because if i look at my business today an on site how can i double what it is that i'm doing well. I could just double down on what it is that i've gone. How can our triple well probably need to add. A couple of staff name was how could quadruple while to get out of the uae. A little bit put. Some management implies get some more people will get some more selling always going to tax my business. None of those things actually a true. I have to come up with some really ingenuity new ways of thinking about how to do something against if i wanted to pull my revenue from tanguay to a hundred grand a week. What would i need to do to make that happen. Is it ten times the number of sales that are need or is it ten times number of people on. What is it not. It's neither of those things and you and you problems. Increase by a factor of twenty factor of when. You're trying to next something as well. Yeah and you got to define that. There's a lot of people who throw around the tax and they have the grant cardona hat. What they forget is that you got to define what connects looks like you. In the old days we had paper maps. We didn't weren't lazy. Gps yet lay the paper map down and put a pin in it and reverse engineer the path the so people are really good at setting. Your bay read somewhere. They got to have a big hairy audacious goal. Yeah that's important but they said it every year and then every year it's december fifteen. Now he told the next year you know you got what is ten x look like and then reverse engineer today to now. How calls do i have to make today to get this many clients you this many things and that's why a lot of slaves. Because they used you know you obviously know it but it's like ten x tax tax just work harder. It's like no. You're not listening everything. Grant sets gary and just took away from that hustle and grind rather than be smart about it and plotted out The other thing about just in business and and just in on that feary now and it goes to the to the holistic. Cova thing that we're talking about here a little bit as well. Is that whatever you set for yourself if you all trying to five x two x ten x twenty x business. Whatever it is it's gonna take ten times longer. It's ten times hotter than what you think and it will take ten tons more effort than what you anticipate as well. It's todd it's hard to ten business todd to to exit business your your way. You are because of the decisions that you've made up until now and if you think you're going to get ten times where you are right now. Then you're going to have to do something radically different. And that involves change that involves adaptability and a whole bunch of different things as well which we've seen a lot all. I know i've seen a lot of it here in australia. Three covered with a lot of my clients and a lot of my colleagues and whatnot as well. Have you had that same sort of experienced. They are in the us as well with the people that you're working with. Yeah i mean. I had one client who chicago. He's an elite personal trainer. My i've never worked with the trainer. It's not my ideal customer persona but he liked my content. You talked me. And he told me. I was the first person that talked about. Bringing in sales in terms of revenue. He said there's a lot of i call them. Vanity vendors get more likes views and it's like art but what's the end goal so you've got to remember focus on that angle will. He came to me. He'd never build a business before. I got fired from my jim. Because of the lockdown and started coaching a few those people on zoom. But how do. I build a business. We raised his revenue by thirty. He's got a six figure coaching business online. Now he's cities locking down again and he's like he's very thankful and grateful that that energy jumped off he had never worked with the coach before. I'm not cheap. you know. And he and he did it and now he's like thank god i'm gonna make it through the winter in even if they don't shut down a lot of people don't wanna go to gyms now because chicago's full out just panic right. So yeah it's it's it's fascinating and you know an old western movies. There was quick and the dead. And i did a recent video the now there's the adaptable in the debt. You have to adapt or die and it's your choice and you may not think it's your choice. I see i see people all my business. Our business i did this and i'm a i'm a victim of covert. There's a couple of pieces that one is. No you're probably a victim to the government response to covid but that's a whole nother. That's a whole nother podcast. But your victim of lack of creativity. Jeff lack of asking. How can i get this done and said you saying i can't intentional. Is the is the is the absolute gay they. I love the christmas tree. The christmas tree next to me. No we have program studio here as well. So there's a couple of christmas. Trees is actually in the grinch aboard to christmas trees here. I've noticed we've noticed that. Christmas has seemed to be going up earlier this year that i've ever seen before there and i think it's because people want a something happy and joyous and a sense of normalcy combined with the fact that you talk about adapting target major major retailer here started black two weeks ago because they know no one's going to rush in the and again it's you instacart. People having their groceries delivered to them. I i used uber eats for the first time. It's been around for years the first time two weeks ago. These everyone say oh. What's the silver lining a kobe. I mean we're seeing creative destruction at work and it's a good thing. The problem is many people in our society are so afraid of discomfort that day plead for the angels on high to come in and save them from discomfort. What happens is you make things worse. Where if you let nature take its course in terms of creative destruction. I'm not talking about people dying right. I'm talking about creative. Destruction of businesses. Some of these businesses go off. It's it's you know when hurricanes come through were east charleston. You we were about to spend money on a tree guy to come in and cut down our branches dead branches. We just waited for. The hurricane saved thousands of dollars right and then we just our kids go out and pick up. The branches of you'd be and the trees are healthier. That's happening that's happening. Problem is government has to let it happen. You see with higher education you see with a number of things this is. There can be some good things that come out of this. I'm not saying cova good thing but restaurants adapting restaurants that were teetering and just kind of wasteful. Going out of business mom. I'm not saying that's a good thing. I'm saying that a lot of them didn't have to go out of business but that's again that's a whole that's a whole new show. We can talk about some other time. That has nothing to do with the topic. We put up the christmas trees early. He because it was in reaction to a facebook post that i saw in the local shopping center and i said unfortunately with canceled santa photos. No santa photos this year down at south just down the road from where we live here and i said to mrs. Who's a photographer are saying. Well we got the spice in the studio he wanted. We'd do some christmas photos. He so we put up little background some chairs and we've had some families come through bring that pets and have the christmas photos in he Early on and it's not quite december yet. That is december comes on a whole lot of bookings got For family christmas photos so instead of having them down there they willing to pay three times the price and come right here now studio and do it. He saw classic ability. And i get you see a need villainy. Yeah yeah it's a really simple thing to do to focus welcome. Thank you for a little bit of yourself there on the front end and letting us get to know you a little bit. People come over to the go. Lean podcast to learn more about others that have gone all in so if you could. Could you please share with us your goal in story or stories in the lessons that you've learned from your commitment to success. Yeah first of all it was redefining. What success net. And you know. I'm a guy and so i was supposed to shut up. Put my head down and just earn money. And that's all i was. I'm the breadwinner and a money generator. And you know. My dad taught me something completely different. And yet i did it different and anna and but that's what it is you you gotta do. You got the car. And i had the cars. I had the house a seven figure agency. And i woke up next. Tuesday is the three or four anniversary of it. And i shut down agency a peak revenue because i hated it and i remember going to my wife and i said honey i'm done and i like i was expecting her to be surprised. And she's like it's about time i mean. I was sixty pounds heavier cocktail prescription drugs anxiety attacks. I if if i was in the same place now that i was four years ago and code hit and everything that happened hit. I don't know what i would've done to myself and from a mental physical health standpoint. And now i laugh a lot and i go through it and i'm like well okay. Figure out another way to get it done so redefined. What success is and success is waking up in the morning and being grateful and a lot of people I mean if that's not the end of all success but a lot of people wake up and use gratitude as an excuse for guilt and stagnation and it's all while someone else. Has it worse than me. So i should want more in my life and the more is inches money money money the bad thing but more can be more time with my wife or time with my husband. More time with my kids. I wanna be a better data better husband. And that's what. I focus on now being a better human being a better dad being but her husband and serving my clients a lot of people wake up in the morning. And there's a lot of celebrity gurus who will tell you all about adrenaline court is on sale and force him down the funnel right and what what people forget is you know sales. The definition business. Like i said is making a positive impact on other people but some people wake up and they're like a. I've got to talk to more people today to try to coerce them to reach into their pocket and buy something unwillingly for something. I don't even want a miserable existence. But he wake up and say. I'm gonna authority on how i improved the lives of other people myself. My family everyone around me and you you worked at that every day and you get in the state of the chinese call it woo way is action you start flowing and it's one of my first glider flight last night and it's hard to describe but when the plane you get towed down and it's bumpy on the on the grass runway you go up and it's like okay. We're being towed by this plane. What happens when let's go. Yeah the plane is loud. you let go. The plane goes just silence. You're in the mountains and just floating and it's just this feeling of you feel like you're flying and floating. You're still moving forward though. You're not grinding and i think we're in a this hustling grind Piece where people forget. Yeah working hard is important. But you're so busy chopping down trees in the forest and he got the blood sweat and tears. And oh my gosh. I'm going to take a picture of it. Showed a because everyone loves struggle porn but then after like six months. You're like but i'm not earning money. I'm not moving forward because you know what you were. So focused on just sweating and bleeding. That's like he do turn around. All you had to do is cut down on the street. Trees down two hundred and so success really is to me getting in that state of flow. Having that feeling of freedom and fulfillment every single bay and that's different for me than it is for you than it is for jim. John jane harry whatever and it took me a while to learn that a and hard lessons but i did. And if you separate the emotion from memory as dr joe benza says you have whizzed mantle every you look at everything as a learning experience rather than some traumatic event absolutely was there a catalyst for you could where you had you redefine success. You know you had your agency was doing really well. you're at peak revenue. I had a similar experience. So i had i had an agency and Would still there. My brother-in-law were working together. And the catalyst for knee leaving that same existent similar thing where i was just really stressed out about what was going on and the types of clients that we attracted seem to be people that always had problems so a problem with their website that problem with their advertising with their marketing with a message with their branding. Whatever it was. I had a problem and now coming to us and saying well you just seem like the guy that i just dealt with who promise your then didn't deliver anything can just burn all the ten thousand bucks. I'm going to ten grand with you as well. Now what was really cynical and not very no us. And i made a mistake on a project where i under quoted project bought into the. Bs don't have any money out of that and sort of lock or online and we'll let's get on all. I'll help you out. Because i know this is going to be a long time. Engagement and silly may blind into his. As i got caught out really badly and one guy he called me and he said to me and and what what had happened was just didn't charge off on the front end for the project and the project was just more complicated than what we anticipated required more hours so we're going backwards in the budget and i had to ask him for some more money and he said i'll come around and pick you up because where the office was was just a bit tricky to kind of get anyway collected me. And he's fancy two hundred thousand dollars and it took me out for a lunch. That cost us four hundred bucks for the pair of us and then always like you know what man i just bought into oil-based that you had no money and you rock up in three thousand dollars suit looking like a million bucks with your jewelry and watches and all of that sort of stuff and then you trying to penny pinch me into this deal when i'm trying to help you build your business and i'm genuinely go buy into helping you and doing all the right. Things and i was just so unbelievably stressful. And i was just like what. Why would you do that to somebody. I'll felt lock fed. I'd being taken advantage of and professionally for lack of a better term professionally. Con of right. He gave it to me and just like to so so much advantage over me. People are shocks and let him. They'll bought you. And he bit me really hod and always losing sleep over it and just walk up and i was like you know what i'm out and my marlboros outweigh. I said i'm out. And he goes well. Yeah you know in the officer out. Where i i'm and i'm going to have a holiday. Just hold on let nod on hold on to go and do something else. What about on i'll do. Did you have a catalyst let that. Yeah well you know the first four or five years. I had the same experience. And i was taken people. They'd offer money. Sure i'll do it and it wasn't what you know is under quoting and all that by four or five years. What i decided to do is. I mean they're going to give this up arming to do it and i'm not going back to an office job so i ended up firing half my clients raising my revenue and doubled my revenue and brought about a million for the first time and that you know that goes to the importance of ideal. Client in really knowing your idea applying. It's not just people are gonna give you money. It's people who aren't assholes is people. Aren't you know If i can by the way if i can swear sorry about that so you know and so i did that. But then the next phase was. I had these clients. Pan me what i was worth. But they were clients who you bring up. Always had problems cynical. I worked with a lot of clients trade associations corporations who really didn't care they would throw money at a problem but not care about the end result not care about the impact and every email every meeting every conversation. Every social media post was the most important meeting emails social In the history of of those and it was like fly. Here fly here. You got to hear. It was for what for like a dumb meeting. My dad died in two thousand twelve. And i remember sitting there at the wake and he had had an incredible career he worked on. The space program had been president of these large corporations Helped had the patent for all the electronics. Which is in the boeing. Seven seven seven. All these crazy things. His wake grown men crying. A single person talked about my dad's career not husband. Father all these things and i remember sitting there thinking he he he set the example. I'm not doing it. And i'm going to start making a change. Of course. I didn't that stuck with me for another four or five years until finally the pain got so much where i'm just like i'm out and it was it was there. Was this meeting that. I had been to the year before and i flew To dc like twelve degrees. Or so i flew on a sunday night for an eight. Am monday meeting. And we got in there. And there was like a premium. Before i had to present at like nine or something and the the head of the organization before i started was like you know what kurt wait. Everyone in this room is low energy. You're not into. We figure out why and scolded us like children. Forty five minutes. And i remember sitting in a meeting like never come back again. I flew in. Sunday gave up time with my family but of course the year goes by. And i'm like well i'll put up with it but that day when i woke up and i said it's done was week before going to that meeting again And i was supposed to have the week off. It was thanksgiving week here. And i kept getting e mails and calls. You're you're gonna present on this next week. I'm like no we're gonna get yelled at if you're gonna present on anyways. They were like putting me out as a as you know. Whatever the front runner to get murdered sacrificial food and i remember you yeah i sat in bed and i was like some of the things that went through my head. Were if my plane goes down to or from this godawful meeting a one after. Go the mic. That's one thing. Yeah i'd be happy. But do i want to go out like that. And it's like saint worth it. And i got up and told my client. I fired him. I find them all and and it was the best thing i ever did. I had learning experience. I built a business and do that. Use that to help my clients now. But i really wanted to work with small and medium-sized businesses. Because they are people who if they have a you know it's interesting. Some people like you said have money and they don't have as much of a pain point so they're always looking for a deal and they'll underpay you small business owners. They have a pain point if the if they're truly committed to building business they're going to pay you what you're worth and they're going to do the work. I just love working with people like that. Who get it who understand it who want to win. Wanna make themselves better and are willing to do what it takes to get there and you know in a lot of corporations. It's not it's people who are there because not everyone but there there because it's safe and they're like we have a million dollars to spend it gives us a lot of likes views data and by the way do it today and if not we're going to yell at you and i remember getting called late on a friday night because someone on my team had posted something on social media that was. It wasn't even a big mistake and had been taken care of like forty hours before it after like a few hours and it was memorial day weekend here. Which is you know. it's it's a big weekend here. Called me at like seven or seven thirty on a friday night to romy out and demand that i fire whoever on my team posted magoche and i. I actually lied and said it was me. It was me like almost daring him. Fire me and he's like oh backed off said well thanks for taking ownership but again like you said it's like i. I know exactly what you said. You think i slept that night. Do you think. I enjoyed my memorial day weekend. No crew all weekend with family. Yeah goaty someone's listening to this and the that teetering on the edge off of you know the show is normally about going all in and committing to something but we're talking about breaking away from something and that's a form of commitment as well and it sounds like you. I've had very similar experiences in that. Which is cool. And i'm i'm never surprised by that but i'm always surprised at the same time you know we we. We come from similar cultures maintenance similac values that we have in your systems americans in australia and so it's not surprising that we have similar experiences. Like that if someone's listening to this and they look ready to cut that away ready to cut that bad job that bad career that bad relationship. But there's something holding them back because maybe it's a little bit saiful. Maybe this something just holding. What would you say. What would you cited encourage them. Yeah you know start asking yourself. What do i want. I have three options in front of me. They're all good options of. What do you want. Well this one would do this and now do you want that or does your parents want back from when you were fifteen or does your teacher one you know. What do you want and it such an interesting question that if you start if it demands an answer right well i could do these three things. What do you want. I just talked to guys potential client and he's got three options. It's very clear which one he wants to go to depending on what he wants but he he won't go all in. He won't make that commitment and so if we work together i'm gonna i'm just gonna keep you want. What do you wanna do. I wanna do this then. Why would you do that. Well because you know the long term security with money etcetera said it's twenty twenty. How many people traded their freedom for security for the last ten years. And i just wasted ten years of my life. And so i you know i. I have what i call five. Fillers the freedom lifestyle. Which help you build that mindset. And so i wrote the book if anyone goes to five pillars of freedom dot com. They can actually get chapter of the book for free right now. It's actually ninety nine cents on kindle when coburn happened lowered the kindle price and ninety nine cents. I don't care if you're in india australia. Uk whatever. Get the book and start putting the that roadmap to just start seeing all right. I don't want this. Why am i doing this now. And it's like you're you just take a vacation a holiday no that i just don't want this feel on holiday. I just don't wanna do it anymore. Yeah exactly what would what i would say. And i think. I'll mention a couple of john's on some podcast early on why experience was pretty fearful of leaving an agency security money working with bra. This is sort of you could do for the rest of your law because ring him up and go. I'm not coming to work. Kerala same goes up lays do whatever i want a pocket full of money pretty pretty happy and comfortable and could do it for the rest of all. Often you have a crappy kline here and there. It's not a big deal you know. Not everybody's a perfect person. And neither am i and then otherwise perfect clients and neither. I'm i'm not a perfect vendor. Every either you know on on a real estate about it but the reality is like letting give something of maine starting again. And it's you have certainty than you have. Massive uncertainty. massive uncertainty gets. Building really quickly is what i discovered. Because if you're not doing that anymore suddenly you've got so much time and i had an experience. I had an experience of reminded me of that recently. My my mrs as i mentioned earlier. She's a photographer and she had a wedding. On the south coast of new south wales. He has covid things. Started to calm down here where we are as a first wedding. We had an ages and it was a as an opportunity to get away for the weekend and this beautiful part of the world goes south tariffs on new south wales south coast and these beaches unspoilt beaches. For as far as you could see. This might be three people there. It's like this is like if covid really did wipe out the rest of the earth. This is where we would be. Really beautiful applies so we go there the day before and then the day of the wedding sue had to leave early. She was out. I think it was like quarter to nine or something. Like that. And i thought to myself. Well i'm just gonna do the normal thing that i would do. I'm gonna come back on. And i'm going to go for a walk has probably i might be a twelve hundred kilometer. Walk where i was round trip started walking and i came back and it was. It must have been ten quarter poss- ten ten thirty in the morning. I'm like what now go this time. And there's no there's no they arrive much shitty service phone wasn't working so i couldn't sit there and look at youtube for hours or read a book for about half an hour and all his board. I drank a cup of coffee. I had some food and anyway so just got back from the wedding pretty early seven seven in the evening and she's like how is dying on luck. God that was the longest. I have my life long. Had so much time to do whatever i want. There was no kids. there was no internet. There was no anything and it was a similar experience. When i when i left the agency i left for a couple of days. You know sort of took stock of it and one day is a really really long time as an entrepreneur and you can fill in march and you can do so much in one die or you need a little spark and then i had a little spark and that little spark turned into a little flame into a little emba and a little bit more that turned into a little fire and then it was a campfire and then suddenly it got a bit bigger. And that's a bushfire us. Oh my god this things out of control and then you stop a lock a month since. Stop doing what it wasn't on doing now. I've got this massive thing happening over here or ready in this great opportunities and people are gone. How did you do that started. I just got myself started. Quit over there. I had no choice so kind of took a couple of days. Go ahead watch. And i just started and it was just. It was a really fun experience. Yeah yeah and it's you know it depends on people's behavioral style because some people to build a side hustle and grew it weather working their day. Jobs there's some people who can do that very well. There are some people who just can't and you know. I i've a client now. Who doesn't like his day job is w job but he's been stopping and starting at his side hustle which is going to be excellent for like four years loan. Now he's like all right. I'm ready. i'm ready get great. We set the goals. We're doing the outcomes. Things will set him off it w to job that drains his energy and he doesn't work toward his side house. I mean we've been doing this for a month. It finally got to point where. I'm a gallup certified strength coach and so you get in to find what are those natural behaviors thought patterns right. What happened to me. I wanted to get away from my agency for a little bit and coaching. I couldn't get a single client because my energy was so tied up in the agency. Even if i told myself just let it go do the minimum. I have a strength called responsibility. Which is wonderful. But it also prevents me from detaching sometimes and so. I had to be all in or nothing either way so i had to choose. I had to jump off the titanic without a life right. The amazing thing was. I had been doing that side also not getting any clients two weeks after i quit that job. I got three clients at ten thousand dollars in revenue in a single week and so it was like great. You know it's it's at energy so my client now. Finally i. I said listen. I'm not gonna tell you what to do. I would never tell anyone. Quit your job unless there was something really toxic going on. Yeah i would like you to think today. What's the worse. It's going to happen if i go in tomorrow with john. Just ask yourself that question. Who question because it's obviously you're going to die probably not i mean we all could die tomorrow. You never know what happens. But what's likely to happen. I would have more time to work on the side hustle. Is that what you really want. You said that your main yes. Think about that. And i don't tell people to quit their jobs because if they're like i'm destined. That would be destitute within three days. All right. that's something different. Let's work from that but there's a lot of people who have their you know. Most of the ors are going in one direction. You have one or two or is going in the opposite direction. It's like you gotta ditch those things just ditch deaf you know because when you commit you get confidence and its name showman going all in right and and i'm not saying no don't ever have a plan b but i find that people who always have a plan b. plan b. is really it's it's become a fishing net set of a safety net. Absolutely beautifully said we said or that's A lot of fun. It's a fun topic to talk about. And hopefully people are getting some value out of this. Podcast him we really appreciate you. Sharing your vulnerabilities and sharing your story. Is there as well. So thank you for that. I wanna move off the goal in story and just find out some more about you and your podcast and your book and what you've going on in india business in what. Why don't we start with the podcast. Tell the tell listeners. What that's called them. What it's all about. Yes oh my podcast was the brand podcasts. In real simply it's about delivering the right message to the right potential clients generate one ribbon and really when you break it all down. There's a million things and there's a million apps and all these things and i'm sure you've had people come to work magic work magic it's like who's your client. I have no idea you know. I've had clients who said well. Well i'm about to launch pay per click or i'm not about to launch this natta mike. Oh who is your ideal plan. So what's your ideal silence and star or business owners. We notice when you said what do you do. And i said i said something very different. Deliver the right message to the right client. I didn't say it's a bootcamp at six weeks all so we like to verbally vomit and potential clients. I call it where it's we. Wanna tell them everything. We do all the bullet points. All the bells whistles the features and all that and they walk away. Saying i wanted to know what's in it for me so it's breaking it down simply that's what the podcast is about You know my business is broken into two lines. One is branding and sales right message. Right clients right revenue. You have a product or service billing business. Let's let's get that strong foundation once you have that strong foundation you can apply you know you put people on podcast right. You do all those things. And it's like i want to be booked on podcast. What are you gonna talk about. I don't know right and it's like it's like okay. Podcasts are awesome. What are you selling. What's the impact your clients getting by. Who's your clients because that also helps to know where we're gonna book you and so so that's one track and the other check is the freedom track where my book is five pillars of freedom lifestyle. It's unleashing your superpowers which you talked about defining that long-term vision defining what. A life of alignment not balanced work life balance. It's a mess alignment looks like for you. Reverse engineering all reverse engineering all of that to create and define your daily weekly monthly yearly outcomes and then getting in that state of flow and so the freedom track gets people and i have boot camps one on one coaching to get down on that state with that clear path that clear vision and priority and time management. So they can get there. Yeah i love. I love what do you. What do you think endlessly surprised and again. I'm never surprised as well but the top of experience that you've had over a lifetime of doing what it is that you being doing is you just can't find not informal. Somebody can't do a university course or you know some other type of training to learn that the have to come and learn that from entrepreneurs from pastas from youtube is and things like that. What what do you think. These things are not more mainstream. Because i say the same thing when the client comes to me and says hi. Robot wanna get booked on ten podcasts. In the next month you will. Yeah so what do you want me to do about it. I've got a service that can do that way. But what do you want me to do what. What is your expectation. Think it's a really good thing and at it's very cool. These people these business owners. These successful businesses have completely missed the mock. They've locked totally missed the fundamental pace of. Who is your audio client. And you know you're not gonna be able to scoop up a giant slice of the market. You don't need to what you need to do. Is to talk to the right people at the right time on the right platform when they are ready to buy how come you don't know who they are and so my question to you is. What do you think people miss that so much. It just seems like such a fundamental simple thing to people like you. And i but there's so many people that come to me throughout the month that have completely missed that mark. I think it's the matrix. I think and not metaphysically. But maybe but i think that our society is. Set up for conformity. I think it's that way for a number of reasons. I think we have a schooling system in the western world that was set up to produce factory workers and mottes and it was a militarized system that started impression. We home school our kids because we don't want them to be part of that. We want him to think entrepreneurially and nothing against people have their kids going to other schools. That's just for us. But i think it applies because growing up. It's like all right. What do you have to do when when you're when you're young when you're a kid right you come out of the womb your full of wonder and excitement and this new. Ask questions you all those things as you get older you start hearing no more. No no no no no and then it's all about you know there's a kindergarten here that a few years ago cancelled their theater program because it wasn't college ready enough the kids five years old and so everything is about getting into the better school year out of all these extracurricular activities. If you don't like playing it you have to do it. Because that's what happens. And i can say studies right and then and then you go into it and it's getting into the best college you go to the best college. And you're trained for conformity. You know and the worst we know it is the more the business community the corporate culture and government team to double down on it here in the us we had some common core standardized tests all these things. And it's you know in five years it's going to be bots. I mean it's already here and it's like we're trying to produce spots to compete with the box with the botts. Aren't going to be able to do as well as us i believe is the creative thinking. If exactly. and if we empower people to think more creatively which is a great human resource. We shouldn't be here. There's no reason we should have left the caves and still be alive as a race. Right now wasn't are braun. Wasn't our ability to solve math problems. it was creativity. you say. Math is part of it. Well sure but the most ingenious people albert einstein he he. He obviously knew his share math. His greatest superpower was creativity and imagination. He talks about that and yet we want to just force everyone. You look like a nealon. Musk brilliant guy extremely creative. I would take steve jobs over. Bill gates any day of the week and twice on sunday. Why in my view gates took a lot of things that were there and just put them in a box. But amman spreadsheet jobs created an entire new ecosystem from his brain. And so i think quite honestly we're seeing in in. What's the problem with that right. Why don't we just say well. We know this. Why don't we move that way. We ask yourself who benefits from a lack of free thinkers right. Because if you don't think free and you just buy into this and you go with conform society what happens you go into debt. You get that house that you can't afford because someone said you should afford you go into debt. Who benefits from from that. Who'd you the loan from for the house and it goes on and on and on. And then you're more reliant on that and then a politician comes in and says well. I'll change the tax code to make it better for you. If you vote for me. And so the more people can create victims the more you create customers whether whether it's a customer quite honestly of a government of a of a a corporation or of a church you know religion whatever it is and so. Some people don't have interest in seeing that we're seeing that today with everything that's going on over the last year where my wife shares something about natural health and vitamin d. Get fact checked and then all of a sudden tony voucher head. Epidemiologists mentioned offline that he makes take vitamin d. And all of a sudden. Now it's okay to talk about vitamin d. Vitamin d doesn't sell drugs. I guess but it's there's a lot of reasons for it. But i think what you're seeing is an uprising in the economy. of free thinkers and entrepreneurs while she journal had something that new business filings in the united states are high since when two thousand seven what happened two thousand seven. Economy crashed crushed. When you take away people's discomfort again. They have to adapt or die and they do it and then they start thinking for themselves. And i think you've brought this outright back seven eight months ago. People were panicked and they were like do. I'll do whatever you tell me to do. And now they've got data. They've got numbers they've got common sense and they're saying you're saying this but i'm seeing this. I mean they're canceling thanksgiving and christmas here. In some states you can have it and people are like no. We're having family over the you know. Like what are you gonna do. Well what's the next step right. And so i. I just think thinking is is It's harder in our society to be a free thinker. That'd be a conformist. And i think that's the detriment of society is a good answer to a to a complicated question. My son travis. He turned aiding just a couple of weeks ago. And it was kind of like well to down one to go I made it. I didn't kill him and auden die in the process and they seem to be pretty pretty well adjusted young men. My oldest son went to university to be a high school math teacher. Kind of Didn't really just didn't want to do that. And he's looking up shooting some other things. But in the mainstream sort of thing and travis has always been a little bit unsure of what he wants to do which is totally fine. You know they will go their entire laws being unsure about what i wanna do and always at the burst. Identify with the image girlfriend out. The tean family was air. And i'll sit next to go one final piece of fatherly advice for you. It's like a couple of days off to your birth. I was a bit short giving you this one. Sorry about that but this is the last bit. i promise. I won't give you a hard time. You'd be treated like a man from here on inside we're going to drink some beer and have some utahns. Our relationship will change. So i'm just playing with. They brought just rolling his eyes. Your imagine if i call. I always knew that We got a great relationship and he said well. What is it that and i say well. It's a famous quote out there by fillon. I'm warren buffett. Do you know who that is. Then he said now. I don i say i want. That's not important. But what he said was really important. And i said this is the the loss pace of fatherly advice. That comes to unsolicited this. If you can't figure out a way to make money while you're sleeping you'll end up working for somebody in to die and he's like oh and it was actually really profound for him. He ate dinner and he's like and he's girlfriends like yes. That's that's true and if you if you're not sure what you wanna do. You gone for that job interview on monday. If you don't know what to do give us a call. Come work with me. We'll come and do that and lock. I'll wake up in the morning is a bunch of siles. There's a bunch of money that came in overnight because people are buying stuff in the us and in europe and in the uk and all those places and then i wake up in the morning process all the orders. And i keep the money. i'm sleep on. i have to go to work. I like spear or go to the gym. Or whatever the hell. I want to do that. And he's like oh okay and literally lock a couple of days later. He's like i had. What is it. What are you all from me. And so we're working on an easy com store and starting his business and getting going lot died and It's really truly interesting because there's so much there's so much beauty in the innocence of it. All but this so much viciousness in conformity to assist them. Get off your ass and gonna get an apprenticeship. You should be a plumber or carpenter or whatever you know. Walk obey one of those parents get any sign. I you don't get to sit around here and you know blood your mom and dad and do that. You got to get out and get to work at your ass to work like everybody else. Aside nana at that that is such a harsh way. Nothing wrong with that. That's i way to live in the world and and you know we need the world to be filled with plumbers and electricians and tradesmen and things like that but if that's not what he wants to do then what you need to do young man is to figure out a way to make money while you sleep otherwise you'll end up doing that for the rest of your life but if that's not what you wanna do then let's just make some money wise sleeping and then you can figure out what to do and the innocence in all of that is such a beautiful thing i can see just in a waco solve a relationship with him in a different form in a different way. It's like such a a bond have with him. And i can feel that born transitioning into something new as well at the same time. It's really cool. That's yeah that's incredible and and there's so many stories on the importance of play with kids in an unstructured. Because i think it started building up that creativity but you you get to that part where they start building something and like you said it's like no you gotta go here and you got to become this. You know we home school our kids and we're very entrepreneur. We actually unschooled we. We let them do self edge self directed and my daughter right now is taking an adult level exercise and nutrition course like men for thirty year olds and she's fourteen and she's she's hidden part testing one hundred percent. She's keeping to it. She's more self accountable than some clients. I've had who are three times age and paid a lot more money. And and what. We've you know it's interesting because we'll have relatives who will quiz them. What's your favorite subject in school. And i remember this a few years ago. My daughter was really into art at the time she said art or this particular said no like a real subject. I my daughter's like didn't i didn't puke with her. So that's working forty has and it's funny the same people who ask those questions and pushed conformity many times you notice. They're the people like hate their lives. This company you know. And it's like it's like it's like the billionaires are like yeah live your life whatever you want. That's why they say what the c. students are. The are the wage workers or no. The a students are the wage workers. The students are billionaires. If and other something to be said about that yeah absolutely absolutely is something to be said about that. Well where do you see. Where do you see businesses tracking you working with small and medium businesses and interested to get your perspective in this co- video area that that wearing in australia. We're in the post covid era authority start icy failures as always looking at that before this interview. And it said that the prime minister had put a post op at said seventy five percent of the jobs that had been lost because it covert have comeback. So we've only lost twenty five percent of the jobs. It's completely under control here in australia. There's an outbreak hero. There politicians are completely useless and just hopeless wherever they are. But that said at stu under control people are not dying in huge numbers and there's not massive caseloads and life feels pretty normal and i feel like people coming are coming back. The photography businesses turning around why why booking agency is turned right around as well a bunch of clients and people spending money again. But i think they're not spending money on the things that they once were from a business perspective because of uncertainty and i'm just interested in curious to know what your experience has been there in the us with your clients and what you say going in the next twelve months. Yeah you know so. We're in a much more uncertain. Climate that election we had I guess you know still. It's it's undetermined guessing in in some people's minds and and you know we don't know and it's interesting even though right if biden is certified you wins. Eighty six percent of the electorate is on one poll said trump is better at handling the economy so even though people if they voted for biden they're still unsure and they think the economy might tank and is he gonna lock us down. He's he's going to do these things. And now you're seeing states chicago lockdown you see cities and some states. Washington state lockdown lockdown. And doing all that and so now. People are constricting. The interesting thing is now. I think people a number of visits who did it right kind of put on their armor a little bit over the last couple of months and now they're like now some of them are like you look at the numbers here in the states that locked down the hardest are the ones that were hardest hit while it didn't work. So why are you going to do it again. So that was a bit of that. But i think there's also a lot of people and i've worked a lot of people who are like listen. I need to covid proof my visits or every twelve years or ten twelve years. There's something if i remember nine eleven. It will never be the same again. The world will never be the same again a year. It's back to the crash of two thousand and two this is it. This is the big one depression babo three years later. We had incredible decade And now we have this. it'll pass. We'll get back to normal. But i think there's always businesses that learn and there's businesses that just go back to nor- i mean you know the things that caused the bubble to burst in two thousand seven thousand eight with housing and banking after. That was done. They all went back and did the same stuff. And now we're seeing getting student so this now we have a student loans or here and and and they wanna forgive that. It's like good luck. Nothing bad could come from that at all and so some people earning some people don't and you just got to be one of those some of those people that that learn and adapt otherwise you're going to eat other people's i tell people right after the election. There's people who are cheering and they're going to be cheering two weeks. There's people who are mad and they're gonna be mad for two weeks. Some of them are competitors know that put on a gas now and eat their lunch for the next two weeks. The because i do see in the weeks leading up to the election. I saw a lot of weird consumer behavior. We're selling our house. We had three contracts fall through for odd reasons. People weren't even like viewing back on lincoln. I some of my clients. People were picking up the phone. Nothing nothing nothing. And that's why you gotta keep it that process day after the election. Even if there's a little uncertainty there's a little more are there was more certainty about okay. We generally know who it's going to be. I've had more calls in the last two weeks since election day than the last three months combined. It's we'd yes right so you just never know in before people are like it's the election i'm like no it's not gonna it is. Consumer behavior is so weird and when you look at it a fun and interesting. How if if if i turn the news off and our turn my socials off the reality of my world is pretty awesome and so many good things happening more world and my lawf- my lost all my family health. You know my bank account. All of the things that are going on are are really good. But if i turn the news on and you influenced by all of those things and the uncertainty and the negative sentiment and that is genuine that there is genuine uncertainty and there is genuine negative sentiment. And there's people that are really really doing it. Tough tougher than ever done in the whole entire allies in off guard empathy and sympathy for is no no question about that but my view is that if you are not influenced by the media and all the negativity that's out there loss can actually be pretty good optimistic for the future optimistic for business. I'm up domestic at the state of employment state of the economy here in australia. And as you say you know we've been through tough times before this is the toughest economic time. We've ever feisty australia but we'll get through it and you'll look back in two years ago. Well twenty twenty sucked but here we are again. We're back to back at square one where we were and things running upward trend in and moving forward. It's pretty good. I feel optimism out as well. Yeah i do i do. I grew up. My dad grew up during the great depression. But tell me stories about And i mean yeah. People jumping out of windows. You had all these things happening and it's interesting the economy's bad and some people are feeling worse than others But i feel like the way that the things that we've built. That seemed useless right. Like peter thiel has aligned. That said we wanted flying cars and all we got was one hundred forty characters. Now some of those can be toxic like you said. I deleted facebook completely. I deleted it. I it just it was it was i just followed. Unfollowed sixty seven hundred people on twitter. It's a far better experience in the mental health tool block. You know whatever but some of these communications tools that were nice to haves and whatever zoom you know a stream yard which i used and it's like all of a sudden they're the tools that we can use to build and twenty years ago. If this had happened. I don't know that we'd be here. You know how you you're going to a virtual media virtual meeting. We didn't have iphones anything. And what do you do. I worked with a lot of financial advisers who have only been trained. Some of the train still in this day and age to knock door to door. Gosh and which is to me kinda cool but kind of like oh my gosh right. And then and then some of them. Only in person meetings in the year two thousand phone. We still have found in. By the way. I think people are rediscovering. The phone i trained my my clients out of pick up the phone and use a sales script and like what. What's that. what are you doing there. But i just a generally an optimistic person and i think that humanity's greatest resources are creative thinking. I think at the beginning of this. Some people used some people did not. Unfortunately some of those people were in in positions of power. But i think what happens. Is the cream rises. I mean look at. We had a mask shortage in april. There's no masks old ladies have to sit at home and make mass now. We have too many masks exist. Market figures the market will always figure it out so. That's why i'm optimistic like you are. That's been a hell of a conversation and there's value bombs left drought and senator. The thank you so much sharing all of that as we bump up against an hour here are currently leads. The podcast without putting him in the golden boot cost a little bit of fun to close out the show. Random stuff he towards the the end at seems like from your profile from in stuff from your from your website and stuff you get around a bit. You've traveled a lot and one of the questions that locked osma international guests. All the time is is this somewhere that i should be putting on my bucket list that maybe no about nubia in the southern italy the south of italy out straight and wow i was like i am going there. Yeah it. it's where my grandfather's from my company used to be called ravina price from tom green emporia. We've been there several times. It's it's a hidden gem because everyone goes up north to rome and venice and milan. The there's hills there's beaches. There's i mean incredible beaches caves you name it. There's incredible wind. It's called primitivo wine. Put it on your bucket list it. The brits are starting to figure it out and starting to go down there by a cheap land but may not now but but when once it opens up. That's the first going puja southern italy for an awesome. I love it. I love it. You gotta get back to europe as well. I love it. Tell me my what say What's a skill that you're working on. At the moment you haven't quite mastered yet detachment detachment in the old. You know ancient chinese texts of like the doubt aging. They talk about yielding. And i'm always wanna go. I wanna go set martial arts. You know they teach you. If you yield. The person may just fall on their face and you just keep walking. It's something on mastering in. Its in its great from a sales tool to a customer service tool to just a relationship building tool where no what hill that. You're gonna debt that you wanna diane. You can't pick every hill and some you just gotta yield and win by doing it. Beautifully said beautifully said. I had a yielding conversation with my mrs yesterday after walk and i need to discuss something with you and she said what's that and i said i've i've got my pace with the fact that i can't run anymore more twenties when i was in the army and she said well you've got nothing to try and for of course you you that and i said i you know. I think i've come to terms. With the fact that they go to whites in the gym calisthenics or cardio a do all three of them. Which i've been doing which is killing me. 'cause i'm getting a little bit older and my recovery and a couple of injuries and things like that and she's like we'll just pick one. I will all yield to others from mrs raw. She's always always gotta take that. I'll take it it was. It was good at one for the hot seat. What's the what's the best pace of business advice that you've ever saved the best piece of business i if i save receivers from my dad and he said don't force it. I would always try to force something. We take the christmas lights out. No matter how much you you organize them you took them out of your later. And there and i would try to pull him and he'd say no don't force it when you have a little bit of slack. It's easier to do. And i've noticed that in my life that you get in that state of flow when you're like if you sit down and you're like your stress and you're like all right. I'm going to sit here until i think of a solution. You ain't gonna think of it if you get up. Walk around do something you enjoy you come back all of a sudden it's like don't force it. My dad would say that. All the time. Because i i would always force it. The tv would work out hit tv. Doing what are you doing. It out is a book out. There called power versus force. Have you heard of that. no. I haven't i'll have to check that out. Yeah i'll have to find the link further no appropriate in the show notes. He for us as well. It's it's the of what you just said. That's what the whole thing is about. But he goes into a whole bunch of examples like that. It's really cool. I can't remember the so. I'll pull out. Might if people want to connect with you. What's the best way to do that. I got a real easy one. 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Right this you don't have to go poking around in google for them if you're watching it on youtube to scroll down and all of the links a for you in the show notes as well by it's been an absolute pleasure hosting you here on the goal in podcast for an hour so thank you so much for sharing your insights and your experience are really appreciate that are not listeners would definitely have got something out of it. I certainly learned something there. As well as i always do on these shows and i wanted to give you the opportunity for the the final parting shot. What have you got. I did i. It's it's clear and focused on not only where you go with the positive impact. You provide the positive impact. You provide your comment your clients often. We define ourselves by how the sausage is made rather than the ended. We provide so that. That's the parting advice. That i leave a love. 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"Today on the callahan show. Well we got our big announcement we are going to locals. Locals dot com. We will tell you what that entails. Tell you why we're going to locals and how you can join us. Also the president did not make prepared speech on nine eleven. He didn't speak briefly. We'll play that incoherent mess. Bush george w bush spoke. And i've never been more disappointed in a politician and bad news for the regime. New york times and msnbc are talking about the drone strike that killed ten ten allies including seven children Patriots started they lost but it was really really good. News for patriots. Fans will explain it to an stephen a. admits finally admits why he wanted to get max off his show. Why he just doesn't like max kellerman. We will talk about that in a whole lot more than his callahan. show brought to you by dc. You whether you're buying your first home your dream home or you're looking to refinance the home you love. Dc you may have the mortgage program to fit your needs and more importantly your budget their mortgage experts will walk you through the application process and help remove the hurdles that can make it so difficult and confusing. They will bring you right up to the front steps of homeownership. Learn more about rates and programs or to apply today at dc you dot org slash mortgage and equal housing lender mls number four six six nine one. Four insured by ncua membership required khurana. Let's go this is gerry callahan. Show so this. Is it accurate. This is it. This is the day we make our big announcement. Well big for us. Big in our little world but It's been almost two years for me talking about doing this because you know we have to do. We have to Kind of build a wall around us in because we've been under attack for longer than two years for five years your entire career. It seems to me. I was looking up from early in the two thousands where people are going after you. It is true. It happened many many times but there was only one Group i don't want to say one man because that man had help from the boston globe will actually assigned people to help him. Harasser advertisers We've certainly gone through this before. Minihan has gone through before he took the fight to To to murchison in his hometown. And i think it it shook him up a little but he bounced back and continue to harass us. Advertisers are are a hosting company. You name it. That's what he does. He's a vile human being. Who for some reason can't seem to move on from us to other people. He's obsessed main and we go over this all the time and a hand and i when we talk about people who have said much much worse to recap if you're just tuning in. We've got lots of new listeners. I don't want to go over this constantly. But i am. I don't think i've gone over it since you've been on board what happened. No here from your perspective. Why don't we do. It says we're making this big announcement we're going to locals locals dot com where we can create our own community that would be a subscription service at least A although although there is a free tier so you can join for free or you can pay. We will go over that but It was about five years ago. I think it was a little more. Actually when we had a conversation on the radio. It was minahan me and gary tanguay and we talked about a four year old who was transitioning. It was a child in maldon mass. I believe the mother was very proud to boston. Globe was very proud to celebrate a four year old transitioning. And i don't remember if it was a boy transitioning to a girl or vice versa. I guess i could look it up but you know we talked about the way anyone would said how crazy that The kid the kids four four. I mean a long way from puberty a long way from figuring out who he is or she is and but in this current culture it's celebrated and it was celebrated by the globe and this woman is very proud and we criticize. Of course what else are you going to do. it's nuts. i actually got the guy. I got murchison to admit it was crazy. Admit to my face agreed. It was crazy but he didn't like our tone. He didn't like our tone so he went on the warpath as You know if you've been listening to me or to kirke know that. He harassed every single day all our advertisers. All our bosses everyone in the company with emails every single day for two years and entercom finally gave up through up. The hands made a deal with him. Said please leave us alone. We'll rid of those guys they did. They moved on. A most of their advertise moved on but that was the decision. They make they succumb. It was a classic castle culture story. And i haven't really told it you know the last time i told the story. We'll tell now. I was on the adam corolla show i was supposed to be on. It was january before the super bowl. And i to talk about brady and and all that but i think corollas into the castle culture and standing up to it. I mean you could stay. Stand up to it all you want. If your bosses don't have your back you're out of luck and our bosses did not they. They literally made a deal with the man which is kind of discouraging. Think even if they're going to get rid of us you don't wanna give him a give him the trophy and so that type of power either and and as we've gone over kirk is gone over more than i have. We met with our ceo and he didn't want to Sue the guy. He didn't want to go after him he just said it wouldn't be a good look to have a big company going instead. They chose to lose eight million bucks in two years in my final years there Because they wouldn't even fight them in terms of going to the advertises that saying You know let's let us tell our side of the store. That was one of the most frustrating parts for us. he would harass an advertiser. He would lie in the emails. We'd see them. I mean he would literally things. I've seen once they've he. He pulls stuff out of context. Things out of context and much of it is just flat out untrue. He would take parody accounts from twitter of me. Like a parody. They've got you and included in the email. See what see what he tweeted. Do you want to be a so. It'd be like wait a second. You have to let us clear this up. You have to let us meet with the advertiser. Call them not once not want some. We did it on our own a few times and we talked to people who we knew but not wants to set up a meaning a lunch phone call so we could tell our side of the story they just let this lunatic completely intimidate them cost the millions and essentially blow up the station with a shell of its yourself. If you saw the revenue now compared to them you wouldn't believe he'd say that's beyond Murchison wildest dreams destruction he did and again it worked and he still hasn't moved on still harassing us. And this is one thing we can do and nothing he can do about it. I mean he'll try heel-to-heel trial find a way. We'll start emailing deyb. rueben local. Probably not gonna care. Dave is a he's a he is. He fights back against cancer called like he's started locals to give creators place where they can do stuff and not be afraid of psychopaths. Like bob murchison so you wanna understand. That's who goes to local stations. People who've been harassed if you look at the lineup of of people who are there people you know like Greg gut fields on there. And i think Tammy bruce a lot of people who've been harassed for their politics. Advertisers have been harassed for them. It's you know media matters and sleeping giants these are these groups that go after people they disagree with and try to shut them down. These are anti-american people. These are fascists. Who don't want to hear you. They don't wanna debate you. They don't want to a healthy exchange of ideas and they want to shut you down for that. For that reason dave rubin and company created locals dot com. And i kinda knew from the beginning. I was headed there and yeah you did all the you did all the work you did all the research and you found out you had a couple of options but you find out locals with the best correct. Yes so locals is great in this way. It's kinda like the interface is very similar to other social media platforms that you're used to and like jerry said we'll do a lot of free content really make it kind of our priority tech communicate with fans but the thing that makes it different as we actually own the community so it can't be taken from us where we're always subject to that on. I mean sometimes you say but not inflammatory but it's challenging enough stuff to the to the elite left that you're always going to be in the crosshairs of them trying to show you later on facebook and all that stuff but in this case we own this community. They just can't do it again. He will try. But you to understand. And i don't think people quite understand the level of psychosis were dealing with to understand. There was a point last when january six happened. We talked about obviously said. It's a disgrace. I said put these people in jail. Who fought with the cops. And you know it's it's embarrassing obviously. It's the pendulum. Swung the other way when you have trespassers in solitary for eight months. Obviously it's extremely these people. Being persecuted political persecute being persecuted politically for their political beliefs for being an enemy of the regime. Yeah we talked about it. And that's pissed off some of the real crazy activists including my guy who had somebody literally call our advertisers. We only have three or four days of one. Our podcast and you know. Some of them are people. Who've been dealing like shake concrete nasc- he's a great great people. Have you had any doubt people. Dc people a great people because they put up with it stood up to it. There were few others back in the daily That stood up to these people. But i heard it i could. I could play it for you. A fake reporter call of my advertisers. Pretend said he was like smuggled something from the news. I want you to know we doing a story on how Gerry callahan is Supporting the insurrection. And and one of our advertisers played it for sent it to me. It's amazing it's not a voice. I recognize but it's a fake reporter again it to you. We'll play it. We'll put that on local. Yeah that'd be great and they asked me do you know i said that's not real. That's not real. It's attempt to intimidate you. And again they do it at the highest level. They'd do it to matt walsh. Every day and ben shapiro and dan bongino and of course tucker and hannity. They get harassed daily. The only difference. Is you if you have a boss with some backbone. Who a bus. Who stands by you. You can survive that storm and we've seen it happened. It happened to us back in the day when we did have bosses. Gm's program directors with spines. You deal with these people every day. She said there's been a few controversies over the years which caused people to be like a little protest outside the station they demand something whatever sensitivity training or demand your head and if you have a good boss. Strong character at the top they understand. That's the price of doing good talk. Radio you get people pissed and but now it's so out of control that they think as soon as you say something they don't like they they have the massey male. Start bombarding your advertisers. Doing every day followed up the next day and say Did you get my email. Do you really want to be associated with this show. And we've seen god knows it's been a theme of the show cancel culture. We've seen just the gutless way the corporate america's handled these vultures. We've seen people getting fired. The guy in sacramento getting fired for saying all lives matter. Mike milbury getting fired for saying nothing. jeremy roenick. It's over and over and we talk the the other day. Zoellick scott zolak. Sam saying something that was perfectly appropriate and cam. Newton appeared distracted when he was dancing. And guess what cam. Newton was distracted. We'll get to that. He was terrible And they dumped them but there were people on twitter on social media demanding a firing. 'cause they've gotten it in the past because corporate america's they figured they fall radio companies. Tv companies are so weak. You got to go back and review it at some point to believe it we will go back and view things review things like mike miller chris harrison at the bachelor people getting fired not suspended not sensitivity sent to sensitivity training fired for doing absolutely nothing. Wrong it's not arguable. You can't say. Well mike milbury said you know. Women are. Distraction might milbury Something perfectly appropriate. When you're in the bubble because it cova. There was no kids. There's no wives no distractions. All they can do is focus with their team on this on hockey and getting ready perfectly one hundred percent appropriate somebody got upset the corporate nbc caved as they often do throw them to the wolves and by the way. This only works one way. It's only works for only one side get cancelled the other side laughs at cancelled culture. They fuel it they believe in it. They like it. If you're on the left you don't have to worry. There is no media matters equivalent on the other side. There is no bob merchants and on the other side harassing advertise. There is no boston globe. I mean the boston herald new york post. They would never ever assigned reporters and editors to harass the advertisers of a competitor. That's unethical at doesn't stop people. The boston globe. That's what they do unethical. That's their specialty. So they work with the activists and others to bring down their chief competitor. That point we were i mean. The real issue was competing right. Not just with the globe. Neth was with nessin with that. Whole john henry empire. They hated us and they wanted to bring us down and they did unfortunately for them. Our boss was week. Our boss was in awe of john henry and so he to us to the wolves. And how's that working out for him so far not very well and the the other thing too is not. Just it's not enough for these psychos. Like bob that that people have their own volition. The podcast is opt in or even listening to a radio stations. Often people can turn the channel or just not download it. That's not good enough. They he wants to attack. You wants to put you out of business. He wants to he. He just wants to. Completely shut you down and as i said in my twitter bio when i got fired was when when a conservative is something that doesn't like on the radio changes. It's a liberal. Here's something they don't like on the radio they demand the host ba- fired and that's okay. If you do have and we used to used to be different you'd have to write letters in organized now. It's just one guy could sit in his underwear and make a matinee absolutely complete. It's totally dishonest. Taking things out of context. I mean just making everything a homophobic racist sexist. You name it. I mean. I'll give you a quick example. Echoes on the show. With jermaine wiggins who. I like a lot. We had a good time we had a good rapport and we were talking about david. Ortiz getting shot in the dominican. And and he says how people get shot all the time and i'm arguing. This is kind of unusual thing and we would just going back and forth. And i said wiggins who grew up hard in boston spot. All the time and said maybe in your neighborhood twiggy but not most people's neighborhood that get shot in the back of the outdoor restaurant. That's kind of unusual. That's it immediately. The advertise get email saying. Do you want to be associated with this kind of racism. Because i mentioned that witty. He grew up in a tough neighborhood up at a tough neighborhood which we talk all the time all the time and you know he's he's mentioned it and believe me. You could hear the conversation if you right now. You would laugh at the idea that someone could take that twists that make it seem racist and then immediately he knows you know the buzzwords immediately hit up everyone in the company said. Do you want to be associated with this kind of racism which is absurd. I mean honestly if you could show for ten minutes we get along great and we had laughs and we had a good time and that was just part of the conversation had nothing to do with race nothing and yet instead of saying go screw. You're making up your that's slander. I mean it's you have a boss. Oh we don't want to be associated with that kind of racist what what kind of i mean. It's just madness. That's what it was on a daily basis and it still is because apparently there's no other personnel care. No other radio hosts a podcast hosted his upset. This person which is amazing. Because i listen to lots of right wing. Oh yeah podcast. And they say more of laboratory stuff they say more you you you want the mma fighter this big bath. Special forces guy who transitioned died his hair pink and went went from a male to female and now he's kick ass and saying this is for trans rights. It's insane. oh no you can't it's it's wonderful. It's touching i'm sure. The public general public particularly are on their one hundred percent. Supportive of this lovely lady in mma beating up biological women and we're supposed to applaud that because if you don't you can have an angry mob after you and this is one of the best examples because obviously they're very much in the minority. Most people don't wanna see four year olds transition or big bad ass. Mma fighters transition stuff beaten up biological women most but they are vocal and they are relentless and they don't care that it's a fringe viewpoint and my view was perfectly appropriate. Like most people think it's crazy including the guy who came after us who admitted off the record that he thought it was crazy to for a four year. Old the transition. Of course it's crazy and the thing. The thing is for us so local. Advertisers know jerry and his heart have no pro- they see most of them would have no problem with saying you know go screw but if if they know jerry but but these national who typically advertise on podcasts. They don't know jerry so they're they're getting constant emails. They just seeing there like it's just not worth our time to even like look at it and and so you get that so. It shuts down some of our options. I look at this podcast as a startup. And where you have to decide. Where can we get revenue from. So one of the ways we can do is with local local advertisers but also another way is through the subscription on locals dot com. We were good. Continue to have some average understand that they will be harassed and they're okay with it or some of them actually look forward to some of the people you talk to. you know. i'm i'm ready to know the pushback pushback fightback punch back. That's what it's all about as a brain and is aware of what's going on wants to push back. I mean this is frightening. You know collectivism terrible movement in the united states right now that that social media is allowing to happen where you have one group social media allowing it social media's engineering it but i also love social media in ways it's fright over those companies all. You're absolutely right now. Big media big tech. They're complicit in this now they're all on the same team. It's amazing this one team that includes the entire washington sampling. The house the senate. The president clues academia includes the media. Yes remediate all the old newspaper. The washington put new. Your times includes them all clues. Hollywood includes silicon valley. All these powers all working in concert to crush the voices they don't like to crush the voice of dissent frightening time in america. I think you're absolutely right. I think more people are finding out every day. How scary again. It only works one way. But i i always say this we talk about it. I don't care which side of the aisle. You're on when you see something like the chris harrison thing and maybe it's a great example because no one cares about him. He's made a lot of money. Yeah but that's example. It he said had no. There was nothing wrong with these. Nothing it's not even debatable. You can't come on here and debate me and say when mike milbury said. You limit the distractions. There's no women for the hockey players or kids or pets are they are all. It's kind of point of being in the bubble. That's what some. Nfl teams go to training. Came on his miles. Away to eliminate distractions. What he said was perfectly appropriate. Gladdy didn't apologize. But he's since and we're going to get him on we're gonna give them out and we we get him on one of our first locals shows Because he says i'm not going to allow i'm not going to allow them to cancel me and there's really no you don't have a choice. I mean you could stand by your words as well. You should but when you work for a gutless corporation or gutless. People like nbc. You know they're going to throw you the wolves for a couple reasons. They don't want to bother they. See those words this. On those radioactive words a sexist he said winded and they just say you're not that important. I mean if you're if you're a good liberal. If brian williams he get caught lying or kevin cullen have another chance or two or ten. If you're someone like millbury they just say or don cherry's and other example just throw them to the wolves and be done with it. Wash your hands. We'll get someone else that they're not that important but again the grant napier the announcer who said all lives matter and get fired for saying what jan remote or jeremy roque who joked about having a threesome with his good friend and his wife because there will beautiful women in their best friends just joked about it on a podcast on a barstool podcast and got fired. I mean those are scary. Things again only works one way and there. There are ways to fight back there certainly ways and if you have like i i often hear people in radio or right wing Podcasts say oh yeah they'll never catch me because they work for someone like whatever daily wire over two parcels big enough yet it will back them. The just will back. They get harassed every day. No the whoever. The sales people are eric. Dini or portland get harassed. It's part of the job is to say a general manager on a talk radio station. Part of the job is dealing being that barbecuing yet that firewalls so then when these lunatics come after you and they will more so than ever because what they're doing is working. I mean they have literally fueled this effort by giving in by phone ended up their arms and and and sacrificing their people. So that incentivizes these these activists and they just keep coming and unless you have someone that tells them to screw up. The phone deletes the email and just moves on. You're out of luck because there's a lot of cowards out there you know there's a lot of spineless people who if they lean that way as the famous quotas from our boss about Murchison his he's just trying to make the world a better place. I was this world a better place. I was standing right there. I look in disbelief. That is one hundred percent accurate. I could tell you where we were. When i was i was one on the guy. Who'd lost eight million bucks in two years. Said he's trying to make the world a better place because he's a good. He's a good liberal. He thinks that if it's transgender activists working with the globe boy they might have. And i just looked at. You've lost millions. He's lying doesn't this truth doesn't matter to him. The globe doesn't care ethics. Fight back. He just wouldn't and so we're fighting back around. That's the bottom line. So just to give more info about this local thing. So i put the I'll put the there's announcement on twitter and facebook. I think that's probably already gone out. But it's the gerry callahan. Show dot locals dot com or you can just go to local dot com and just search. Gerry callahan gerry callahan. Showing you'll you'll find it so like jerry said earlier we will have A lot of content there that you wouldn't normally see on places like twitter and facebook we're really gonna make that the priority we want that. It's sort of like a facebook group in a way because there can be a lot of interaction between the show and jerry and fans there. So you'll get more interaction and you'll get stuff that you won't normally see in other places that's all for free. Just go there. We want you there. Because it's like. I said we own that community so it can't be taken from us. Something like can happen in twitter facebook. You all say. We're getting warnings on our posts. Were shadow band definitely on twitter. There's no reason why we shouldn't have more twitter followers as just because the elite doesn't doesn't want us to behold arms so so the everything all that stuff is for free. It's actually in the app is super slick like a really like using the locals out. They've done a great job Using a so. I'll be interacting from there a lot as well. So that's all for free but the big the big offers if you decide to support the show financially for six dollars a month and you get two months off you if you subscribe for the year so six dollars a month and we'll give you an extra show for free every so that'll be our friday show and that'll happen exclusively on locals so so that thing and then also first subscribers were you'll have first dibs on some other offers. We're gonna do some some things in the future that you'll have i I it's honest well but but anyway so the so. That's the thing it's like we're going right to the fans that that's one thing you can do in this in this whole crazy cancel culture world is you can cancel cultural world. You can go right to the fans and say hey if you support jerry and you support the show and you want us to keep doing what we're doing will then help us help us to help us stay in the fight by by supporting us financially. So that's the thing that we can do. Because bob can't touch that cycle bob can't touch me and as we pointed out. Day ruben created this site this platform for this very reason. You find some of the people on their. Oh yeah dave So as you said. Dave rubin Scott adams the creator michael. Mouse pig libertarian. Guy that i follow. That's on their tulsi. Gabbard on their tolsey ballsy tweet over the weekend. We can get to that but I mentioned gut fell a few people have in a bailed. Pretty vocally on Twitter facebook said screw them. I'm over here. Gut felt was one say. Follow me over here. I'm so illiterate. I'm trying to find out who Bridge fantasies there She's a podcast. That i listen to dr drew's there I said tulsi already taught tons of people. Andy no i know he's a he's a big favorite yours right now. One of the only journalists in america but As you said you're you're much more tech savvy than i. That's for sure you said it's pretty slick pretty well done. Yeah nicole thing is like you you basically can choose the communities you want to be involved and so you want the gerry callahan. Show community choose that and if you selected and you're seeing all the gerry callahan show stuff. It's kind of like a facebook group in that way and then choose other creators who are on locals and you can be in their community as well and most of them. I think maybe all of them. I've seen do have free content there and also and also subscription-based content so you can really choose I want to do it. But i. I like it super slick excellent so check it out. Check us out on locals. Dot com a couple of announcements with more details out there on twitter on facebook Do you have to follow the show account to on twitter to get your video of you made. Oh you want to see if you should all be retweeting all re tweet it to so right. We did to that tweet or a. Yeah so like the announcement went out on twitter. There's going to be some other content kind of explaining locals a little bit more on twitter and on facebook instagram. Dick talk today and throughout the week. Excellent well by you. That's kind of been Khurana's job as well. You're here there's no i can't think of any other reason. So any good on air so good and you did a really funny Video don't announce it and then you just you just do it anyway. why not. They'll be a video look for funny. Don't given credit say thank you thank you. I mean you were worried. That i wouldn't like it. It was fun. it was goofy. I mean it was well done. I don't it's been awhile cutting this part out of the show by the way it's been a while a producer who could be that creative so give you credit. Thank you dope. Well done all right. We ready to move on. Move on this If you're on social media you could go anywhere and if you fall me the show matt whatever. It is all kinds of details. If you wanna know more people Commenters saying Asking questions lacuna looking for others just asking for the link to air and Just commenting around dot com not very complicated. Now let's go to the ed to go but talk about our president. Because i still find it. Mind boggling as i tweeted on the twentieth anniversary of nine eleven. If you're president of the united states if you're the leader of the free world this is a good opportunity. I mean you just have to stand there for twenty minutes. Read the teleprompter. The expectations for the current buffoon in the oval office are solo again. If you don't see a big wet urine stain as panthers teeth. Don't fall out. Everyone particularly in the corporate media would stand applaud. They would say great job inspiring unifying. You really have to be a mess and the people around you have to know. You're a mess to pass to take a pass on speaking at the twentieth anniversary on the twenty th anniversary of the worst attack on our country's history it was a solemn occasion but at the same time You could say it is unifying and it's a patriotic moment. Even if you're a hard core liberal like bind surrounded by people who get offended when they see the american flag. You have a great opportunity especially if you're cynical politician because the language almost writes itself that you stand before everyone you pay homage to the heroes. The frontline workers the soldiers that need navy seals took open laden. I mean it's just a slammed it's a layup a layup even for an incoherent buffoon like joe bun. He took a pass. How bad does it have to be to take a pass. Trump made a speech at Shanks bush was a checks. Ville to george w bush trump made a speech. Talk to frontline. Tuck to first responders. Bush made a speech. And we can get to that. I'm i'm more disappointed. George w bush john. Am in any politician. I ever supported. Put it that way including mitt romney because mitt mommy and we all know just a fraud. And i mean george w bush was supported whole heartedly by the people he compared to the taliban the other day essentially what he did compared to taliban to domestic terrorists like those ones on january six that is nothing but thrown a bone to msnbc and cnn in the hardcore liberals out there who hate maga- people and want someone like pushed come over to their side. Well he did and people like me the millions who supported them vodafone twice. I'm disgusted as a as matt taibbi. who's I used to hate now. I like he's kind of one of those guys that glenn greenwald former hardcore left e. but is is very wary of the you know the surveillance state in the power of the deep state. He pointed out that this guy who started tours the droned families that prison people that tortured people. He's concerned about civility and jeff george w very concerned about civility. But but i i give him credit least. He stood up and gave a speech. It is amazing that the president didn't give a speech. And i guess when he got cornered by somebody. I don't even know what the microphone anna We got a sense of why is he. Maybe it's the cajun you know. It's such a big occasion so many such pomp circa plants and bands playing and bagpipes. And there's a in the clintons over here and the bombs over there maybe the the moment was too big for him or maybe it was a shame that the terrible job. He did withdrawing from afghanistan. Getting thirteen people killed but he decided not to stand up there and read the teleprompter a absolutely historic day. That is i. Guess it's sign that he's that he's just weak and but but that that is around the world people must be going. I mean presidents and prime ministers spoke all of the world about about nine eleven. You know they played the national anthem at the royal palace. Whatever you know they call it. The buckminster which the palace buckingham buckingham palestine. I hate hate the whole royal. Family me neither. I mean i paid the honored the united states on this occasion anyway. The president gets cornered gets asked about whatever feelings and the train of thought just went off the tracks. How long is this cut. It's only like thirty version. We mentioned fighting trump. Then he mentioned his okay. We just goes back and forth talking about just dumb stuff. I think he talked whatever. We'll play it and you can decide whether this man is a lucid enough to deliver speech. Can you plan on. What do you want to do with it. And i want to box. I should be lucky but it is the kinds of feelings or you know stuff. That is coming out of florida stuff. That's coming out of no property. Lebron in afghanistan. you're the one anyway. i mean if things just pop in his brain and obviously it's a kind of decaying and they just come out first of all. He's wearing a black mask and sunglasses. I don't know if you watch a lot of football this weekend. Yeah it was a million college games. Banged up stadiums. Many of them chanted f- joe biden again and then there was a full slate and the nfl stateful stadiums everywhere. There was tv people and referees and players and coaches unmasked. America was unmasked this weekend except our president outdoors with clinton and obama. They all had the same mass. They'll cover their faces. He covered his eyes and his and he's asked about the occasion and he talks about trump trump joke that someone asked trump where he would Who if he could choose one person a box and he joked about boxing By no big deal but it bothered him and then he rambles on things coming out to florida. What's coming on the floor have no idea. I guess he's talking about the scientists. But i don't know and then he says if robert lee had been in afghanistan you would have one. Can i just say that. I follow the news pretty closely. Nobody has said that he just made them. I understand if people say you had more better generals you had terrible generals yet million austin these losers but No-one said if you had robert he lee released famous for losing a war to. He's talking about the civil war chest so he's talking about yes talking about what i thought. Maybe you knew a bore really by the way to go back to cancel quickly back to cancel. I'm always trying to rank the worst cancels of canceled culture and that has to be near the top. The announcer on espn play by play announcing in robert lee was taken off the game at virginia at charlottesville because of his name. And i believe you can look this up. I believe he's asian but he was taken up the game because of his name. This is the kind of lunatics. Were dealing with person. That would say. I don't think it's appropriate and by the way. Espn giving in to the person. Yes who says you can't even ever saw that one though that's one of the great one He was taken off the game. I don't think he was fired for having the wrong name. But isn't that bizarre that someone in the corporate office in bristol. Connecticut said you know we shouldn't have robin. I don't think it's middle names. E isn't no. it's just robert lee. Overtly taken off the game and if you see a picture. He couldn't do a game at at ville because you know his name. That's amazing it's embarrassing. But that's the kind of thinking you have. Espn now which is going to use. The stephen a smith show to to just to show how woke they are have one young black person or asian. Whatever th the they're gonna use that as a bubby pointed out as kind of their own affirmative action Slot all the people arguing. Stephen eh are gonna be people hate chooses. Friends of his who fill check some kind of boxes. That's what that show is turned into. Networks turned into but you sidetracked me on that. I didn't biden. Bud's house lowers that speech. Thirty seconds yeah. Totally incoherent as usual which i guess is better than his speech from thursday and we didn't have a show yet for friday so we didn't haven't talked about this but the thursday speech was frightening. It was insane. And i don't know if people appreciate just how insane where he literally says. This is not about freedom. it's not about freedom of choice everything. Everything is about freedom at some level. And he says we're we're going to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated. That's what he said of the vaccine was supposed to do that. The chart but that's what a vaccine is for the people who you're protecting of already got protection league. They had an injected into them. There's no one virtually no one vaccinated. Who's dying no-one. Vaccinated is being hospitalized. The people dying the unvaccinated because of people like you. Joe biden people. They don't trust a turtle. Boyd said this and so did a few other people on social media said this made them less likely less inclined to get the vaccine because biden was so arrogant. Said our patience is wearing. Thin can remind you that it wasn't that long ago that joe biden said he wouldn't trust a vaccine developed by operation warp speed because of trump kamala harris. Same thing. these are the same people threatening your livelihood. Saying we're gonna take your job away. Your kids aren't going to have food on the table of shoes on their feet. Because you won't submit doesn't matter if they've already had cove have natural. Immunity doesn't matter of like Does a woman. Alison something williams. Who's a ellison. now you can look it up at. Espn is a play Cobb a sideline reporter. She's politely quietly. Step down taking a leave of absence. Because she's taking infertility drugs trying to get pregnant and her doctor told him she shouldn't get vaccinated so she won't so espn won't allow to work games. And i assume she'll be fired because he has spent one hundred employees know. I feel bad for the people. The new guys at companies with one hundred twenty people one hundred ten people. Because aren't they just gonna fire. Yeah get down to ninety seven and say we're good rather have a bunch of good people and i was talking to a friend of mine and construction this weekend and he said the people in our business are not inclined to go get vaccinated. It's just not the way of thinking. These are tough guys and hard-working guys and they just say i don't need it. And they with their head down and go to work well. You're going to get fired if that company has more than one hundred people because the federal government by decree the president by decree as declared you unhealthy your filthy dirty. You're marginalized your fault. It's ally that this is a a pandemic of unvaccinated. It is not. They're getting much higher numbers this year than last. They're not dying knuckle the hospital but they're getting cold the vaccinated people as we know we see it every weekend athletes and and then politicians and media people getting had it. It's mild is not. It's not killing them but they're getting it and it's not just because the unvaccinated that speech was disturbing i know we don't expect much from joe but was he was angry. He was scolding people again. This is a guy who said he wouldn't trust the vaccine less than It'd be about eight months ago. Wouldn't trust it and now if you don't trust it if you just want a little more time if you want a little more data you're a bad person and he will fire you. He's like one of those lords in scotland in braveheart. It will kick you off you land and starve your family. If you don't submit that's the declaration from the oval office. And i don't know did you watch the whole thing. Because he was angry. I didn't watch all angry. He was scolding people had that old angry man face and it was disturbing of course took no questions because he never does and made stuff up about how Oh it was all the fault of the unvaccinated. As we talked about on thursday with turtle boy they have taken a group pitted against a bit in another group against them. It's the majority against the minority. And if you're wondering why Turtle boy tweeted this Re tweeted this poll and they took polls in all the swing states like pennsylvania arizona and they do you support a vaccine mandate or not and the yes support the mandate won overwhelmingly in all these swing states. Which is kind of scary. I think people still scared by probably a bitch of the numbers. Among women are are really high but people who want a vaccine mandate they liked joe biden. They don't care about freedom they don't care about freedom of choice not my choice my body. No they want everyone to get the job in the numbers and this is what binds looking at. This is why he gave this speech. This is why came down so strongly on in favor of a mandate when a couple of months ago hell was like a month ago. Jen psaki said they'd be no mandate now. There is because they stuck their fingers to the wind and they took polls in all these swing states and they decided it works politically. That's the only reason you saw the grumpy. Oh man there on thursday to threatening everybody's livelihood who works for a big company immediately. You saw the hypocrisy post office is exempt six hundred forty thousand people who work for the post office and i guess i could see why because they don't have a lot of interaction with the outside most of the time they're touching people they exempted or you're saying oh they are. Oh yeah i guess they do. I was thinking more their go toward a door. i suppose. Yeah just. I know but you could say that about there. Are lots of federal poison. Interact with anyone to sit in a little cubicle or whatever work from a federal employees who work like the ground crew parks and recreation. Yeah yeah it'll maintaining parks they have to vaccinate or they're fired but the post offices exempt and you know who else is exempt congress. Congress is exempt so they make this rule they they say it's for public health. They say it's all about keeping you healthy and alive. And then they say we don't want to follow that dumb role because as we know have gone over this before when you look at the breakdown of people the level vaccination. It's very high in the Unvaccinated very high in the african american community. And you know who else is elected again. Phd's education level the one with the biggest disparity between vaccinated and unvaccinated are phd's. There are smart people who are waiting who reluctant or young healthy. Don't want this. And the biden regime is threatening with their jobs. There's going to be a lot of people get the injection just to keep their job. But there's gonna be a lot of people who don't and we've already heard this one hospital I forget where in the mid west where the they can't deliver babies. They're closing their Maternity ward or whatever because so many nurses have left because they don't want the vaccination and they just said i guess i'll find something else to do our work somewhere else where they allow unvaccinated people to work as nurses and most a lot of the nurse slama frontline. They've already had it had covert. They've had the test. They know their immunity stronger than it would be if vaccinated. They don't see the need that the most amazing thing about biden speech on thursday and the own suing coverage from all his supporters in the media is how little they mentioned the natural immunity and effects having cove has on u- protects. You know it's a fact and they don't wanna talk about it. They don't want to mention natural immunity. That should tell you something. That's that's a hospital in new york state. By the way i've yeah but i'm no phd jerry. But to me about. I'm not. I'm reasonably smart guy to me like the administration is just not made. No one has made the case yet of why someone who is under say sixty years old needs to get the vaccine realize that case i i would say anyone in any vulnerable any high risk. Getting older folks crawl beast. People people who've had illnesses have compromised immunity. J. should be the front line. In fact they are for the most part is see. Charlie baker tweeted this the other day massachusetts. Seniors are ninety nine percent vaccinate. There you go. That's a good thing first time. I've said something good about charlie baker longtime good. You should take a bow. That's what's all about. That's what rhonda santa's did early on. That is not what andrew cuomo did or phil murphy did. They left the vulnerable elderly population. They put them at risk. They got killed in the case of New york state but there has to be room for debate which biden and with his supporters. you know they. there's no room for. They want to shut the. They don't want him to be allowed to travel. Should go on airplanes. I mean that crazy. What's her name when the doctor from. Cnn he she smiles and she says some of the most evil stuff she smiles used to run planned parenthood. So you know she's got a dark heart and she says just crazy stuff like this go far enough. We should stop interstate travel by people who are unvaccinated so again like this reporter. Spn or turtle boy or someone who's a pregnant woman. A pregnant nelson williams is correct by the way that's her name. And they can't cross state lines according to the the the doctor. The official doctor of cnn. This crazy woman win. And i'm thinking wait a second. That's a constitutional right. You can go to the next date. You can't stop me because of medical choices. The steps madness. The number of people who agree who understand that. It's total madness that concerns me. How many people think. Oh yeah what's your some night or watch you know this. Jonathan kaye part one of these crazy lunatics. They don't mind at all. Sound totally totalitarian. It's like The coverage of the twentieth anniversary of nine eleven. I was i was running. I was getting tired. Retweeting the lunatics who compared it to january sixth. I mean literally they're comparing and bush. You know implied this which is why so. Many people are disgusted with a lot of people on twitter. A lot of people in the media said. Yeah it's kind of like january. Sixth again we'll go over the numbers quickly on nine. Eleven two thousand three two thousand nine hundred. Seventy seventy innocent people killed at The towers and the pentagon and shanksville January six one person killed eight unarmed protester. Ashley babbitt by a cop. I don't think he could bear something that happened with. Three thousand people died to something where nobody was killed. That's our symbols. That's why impulse. I see symbols symbols. Gotcha symbols what about when All those crazy cavanaugh. Protesters barged into the senate during hearing. Was that like nine. Eleven yet at. We don't talk about no okay okay. We'll keep them but it was crazy. Bush embarrassed himself. Not as bad as biden embarrassed himself but it is interesting. That what joe biden wanted was a photo op was a ceremonial kind of photo of a good optic for nine eleven. What did he get. he got this disasters. Pull out of afghanistan. Thirteen service people killed one hundred and forty something civilians and our last act and the new york times had to actually report this our last act. Nf ghanistan they lit up a family of ten including a guy a the father who assisted us in their war effort and seven children. I believe joe biden blew up seven children. Were they drone. That was the last thing. We did in afghanistan before leaving the taliban with eight thousand five billion. Us revenue weaponry and pulling out but glenn greenwald nails Joe biden on that too. Is you know the job. I just didn't want to. He didn't want to wait for confirmation. That this was a bad person. He just didn't want to appear weak. So soon after the bombs and kill the american service right. He wanted an optic. He wanted some a photo op and he got it by. Lighten up a family of ten including kids. A bunch of kids. Can you imagine. can you imagine. If that's donald j trump. And he just wanted a photo up what. I got to put that on the list. We kept track of impeachable offenses from joe biden. I think we're up until like triple figures right now. And there won't be hearings to people glenn greenwald and matt. Tv worried about it. The new york times reluctantly had to admit it but you know they. They lied initially milly lied. He knew he killed civilians. He lied and said it was targeted explosion. There wasn't oh yeah. They said the reason was explosions. Because the cows filled with explosives if it was filled with water there's video of them putting water tanks in the trunk full of water and children playing nearby. And that's what millie and austin and Joe biden wanted as the famous final scene. As we pull out of afghanistan was a look. We took out a couple of isis guys. Know they took out a bunch of kids. And i remember when that used to really upset you know left wing. Congress people Killing bunch you think you think someone like ilan omar aura. You know cared about marginalized people of kids can't about kids would have something to say about this but Silence is deafening. But we we will move on to. I hit shape. We'll share a chase. Of course one of the great companies great people who are loyal and strong and have a spine and we appreciate it. Hope everybody out there appreciates what comes shea in. 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All the camera. That i saw was focused on this poor cat. Who's hanging on with like one paw. I was like oh this cer- certain doom for this cat but can't cats fall from anything in live. Just not on their feet feed so high. I thought they could fall from skyscraper land in their feet. Oh but they saved. It walked away without a scratch literally. It was great but these scenes. A great feels like as we said last week. Football football fans are leading leading us out of this biden. Malays about this. I mean the the biden administration will fight it because they want this thing to let they want misery. They want wanna have housewives in the suburbs to feel like joe biden. Is there to save us from this awful plague and so they need to keep the misery going in football fans fight at. They are defiant every week they go out. They have a great time. They don't wear masks. They don't socially distance they go out and live their lives. And if there's one thing by biden people hate us when people go out and live their lives and enjoy their lives. And that's what they did this weekend. i think the fans in new england and foxborough. There obviously disappointed to lose at home when they were favored and lose at home to the rival dolphins but a month the the the the good news far far outweighed the bad in foxborough. I'm telling you we all know that stanage unlike the olden days were you know running backs one. Mvp's or running back when i in the draft. This game is all about the quarterback. Now the quarterback in the coach. And if you if you have a quarterback you can win as we saw for twenty years with brady. If you don't spend all your time and energy. I get a quarterback because playing games without one is waste. Waste of time doesn't matter how good your defense is. Or how good you. Running game is e need a quarterback. Well guess what patriot fans you got one. Yes i'm declaring after one game after sixty minutes after one loss that the patriots are all set at quarterback. At least until mac jones gets hurt. But here's why the whole preseason competition where all they talked about on talk sports radio and molly tweeted about was cam versus mac. He's why that was always a joke. Because the guy we saw yesterday number ten for new england is a thousand times better than cam. Newton was last year cam. Newton was among the worst. Somebody ranked him the other day. The quarterbacks and they ran camden like forty third. This is only thirty teams. He's forty third Quarterbacks best to worst he was terribly at eight touchdown passes eleven picks. He won seven games started. I think he went. Seven and eight Yes it did impact the ball. I mean he ran the ball. He got running running game away by the way zero turnovers from mack jones. Nazi-era indicates for the rest offense running backs put the ball on the ground. They dominated statistically more yards. Time of possession turnovers lost. It was a strange loss but it was a good loss because this kid is going to be good a does everything better than cam newton and he looks. I don't wanna say like brady. He just looks like a guy who knows what he's doing. I always say this three things. You have to have to be a good decision maker. You have to be an accurate thrower and you have to have a poised under pressure. That's what he was had people around his ankles l. Landed atlanta roberts gonna penalty for tackling the knees which seem kind of ridiculous but that's the rule. He had people around in breathing on them pushing on him. He stepped up in the pocket. He showed great poise. He made a couple of Check down throws that. Were more impressed with to me than thrown fifty yards down the field. He made a quick decision. Boom boom found james white or found his tight ends. he's got to new tight ends. He's got a great pass catching running back. He's got a better team cam. Newton had last year but he's also got what it takes. I'm just going to say he's got a certain flair. He's got a certain Which call called wedneday where he knows what he's doing that pass To white down the sideline it was a further down the field. That was really impressive. I think that was best. Throw of the day. These were the last two starting quarterbacks for alabama going head to head and the guy the new guy the guy who played his first game was head and shoulders better than the other guy to to a one two. it was mediocre best. If i'm given a grades. I give a mac jones and a minus and i give to about a sif plus Mack jones was terrific And there was a. I listed a bunch of place where he was third down in the fourth quarter under pressure kobe. Meyer right on the numbers. I mean made a bunch of clutch throws which doesn't seem possible when you lose the game at home when you're favored. But he did. And i think every patriot fan football fans. You look forward to seeing him next week after. This was his first game with a whole new cast. A bunch of new players new tight ends and he didn't want the ball after four. we saw pretty classy. There will be many more healthy. Might even be picking their somewhere but he just looks like this an intangible obviously guys have strong and that's that helps guys like jacoby illinois was his name jamarcus russell's the first pick in the draft. Big guy. great aunt was terrible. It takes more than that. It takes this intangible this leadership quality the sense of Keeping your cool when all others are losing theirs. That's what he had. And i tweeted about it and people were like. Oh it's only one game. Yeah well. I'm going to go out and say this guy is going to be a good. Nfl quarterback after one game. He reminds me of these other young studs. Like joe borough. They're ready. They play big games in college. They play seven on seven in texas or down south in louisiana alabama for years and years. They're just much more ready than quarterbacks used to be in this kid's readies twenty-three he played had a spectacular year last year at alabama. I think forty five touchdown passes or forty four and four picks at alabama. This is not playing at its berg state. This is playing at alabama. And he was terrific. That's a that's a good way to get ready for the nfl. Benowitz you notice. How many alabama guys. Every time a guy made a play for either team. Chose college alabama alabama the two quarterbacks. No the running back from alabama couple quick couple more quick thoughts on that game. Trent green is a terrible color analyst. I'm sure smart guy. I tried to track. I get caught up sometimes in color analyst and play by play guy kevin harlan's good. He's got passion. But trent green is just one cliche after another he i. I think it was the first free minutes of the game. He said the words established the run like five times. He's terrible and I think you know if the patriots win. You get better announcers if you lose you. Get the guys at the bench. They may be heading for some of the team. Didn't didn't ruin my experience. My joint of watching the game. He doesn't get in the way he just strings cliches together. It says nothing which is amazing when you play quarterback in the nfl. You should have more to offer. I don't say you have to be tony. Romo should be better than trent green. He was terrible. It is what it is. It is what it is now. Sound like a certain radio station. Monday morning it is what it is always not great hope. Coach said yeah. Coach said toes abysmal listening to Listening to talk to bell check on. Today's no they ask no questions. In fact they answer their own questions. Nothing in there not defending them shorts terrible. But there's nothing you can do. He doesn't like the media. Doesn't wanna talk to me asher even if there's former players there once in a while he'll can feel comfortable for the most part particularly on a monday morning after a loss. You're not going to get. I mean we were lucky when we were on the station for nineteen years. We had the quarterback and they had. The coach wasn't a monday went by where it wasn't grateful but what was Mack jones had a one rating no picks touchdown which he didn't want the ball. 'cause you know it was going to be many more to us stinks. They mean i should say stinks too. Not not as good. Not nearly as good The four starting rookie. Quarterback's i believe it was for the mac jones. At the best day. He's going to have many many. Moore's could coaching. He's got good tight ends. Got a good running backs got good. He's got what he needs around him. I'm not saying he's gonna be brady of course not of course not. But he's going to be if their quarterback for ten years. They're gonna go to playoffs. You know seven eight times. They're gonna have a chance to win. That's what you need. And by the way they waited till he fell to them at fifteen. San francisco traded up gave up a whole bunch of stuff. And what they got as a backup quarterback trae lance. He might be good too. But when you do that you expect the guy to come in and just like the world on fire. That's not quite what back jones did but he will. He's going to be good. He's going to be real good. And but that's what you do watching. Quarterbacks is the number one attraction in sports. sports fans watch. Quarterbacks they talk about quarterbacks they dissect a quarterback play. it's simple. it's easy you don't have to look at the linemen and figure out you know the coverages. You just watch the quarterback and you know what you base your judging your opinion on the intangibles. It's not oh look how much had Three hundred passing. It's he looked cool. he'll comfortable. He looked poised. Just felt good if you're a patriots fan about watching this guy but that that's it for my nfl analysis. I want to commend commissioner guy. Bobby barak for out kick. Who wrote the reason. Max kilometers out on I take was ca-. Stephen hates him and wanted him out and stephen a. Gets what he wants. His friends and management they forced stephen a went on a radio show and admitted it emitted. He didn't like max and tried to get rid of for a long time. I guess i'll give stephen at credit was honest. But how bad is it going to be. When he's debating magic johnson. Or tim tibo to token tibo somebody called the month two hundred because he's the one white guy they're gonna have their and i i loved him. Deeb was a great american but is he a great debater debate. Show with the loudest guy in the building. Stephen a. someone like tim tebow can handle that. That shows gonna be magic. Johnson even worse. They'll never disagree. They'll never be tension. I mean the laugh as it's one of the great fake laugher as of all time. You'll just be cackling. It'll be terrible. Max was never a big fan amax but they will miss you. They will miss you. Max but What else we got. I mean we've got tons of stuff. We again i know. We rose mcgowan play. That another day. Rose mcgowan is such a great public speaker. She gets a little extreme little nuts but she goes. She's working with. Larry elder told the story of Gavin newsom wife pressuring her to not press charges against harvey weinstein. It was great. She's articulate and smart and ruthless and she's never ever going to get over the cover up that so many people took part in to help harvey weinstein. I hope larry elder wins. Of course. I hope we get to hear more from rose mcgowan. But i wouldn't want her coming after me now. she's speaking vicious. She is a tough woman. And she's coming after coming after gavin newsom these next few days the when i was it tomorrow is tomorrow. The recourse team right. Recall is tomorrow. Yes we should try to get a hold of our guy dave rubin because he's been campaigning for larry elder like hitting the road all around southern california campaigning for him. It's he's gonna lose. Unfortunately gavin newsom gonna make maintain power. Which will be too but then again. We'll just continue to watch california's slide into this abyss of of decadence and chaos and filth and will enjoy it. You know it's all on gavin newsom. Now we gave people had a chance to vote for larry elder maybe pulls out the upset. Maybe they don't steal it. Maybe they don't find a bunch of mail in ballots since ooh look all these people against rico. Maybe we win this. But if we don't we'll continue to watch california decay to deteriorate and rotten die which will be fun but what did i miss anything important. There you got had all that sound you know from From stephen a Even like The haze Stuff on on the drone strike taste. Bad i should remember that. The bad thing about the drone strike is biden is used to being protected by the media and he thinks even in a case where they killed seven kids now he knows most yameichi and the rest has back. they will circle the wagons. They will not report it as we pointed out. They never reported on biden. Pressured you the president of afghanistan to live from just never reported just ignored it completely and they ignored this drone strike a till they couldn't in the new york times had it and chris hayes. Who by the way has no viewers. Did you see the latest chris. Hayes and joy reads ratings are in the tank. Nobody's watching them. Which is no surprise. It's enjoy read. Is just insane chris as it's kinda boring. But let me hear from chris as on the drone strike before we wrap this up and this reporting new york times about the drone strike after that bombing outside the kabul airport killed thirteen service members and we think about one hundred and forty afghans and we struck back saying this was isis corazon isis. And there's very good evidence that this was a driver. A longtime worker for usa group killed ten including seven children who is bringing water to his family. And i think about that haunting barbara line about you know the evil that we've experienced evil we oppose. That would be evil. When you're not only do we take out this family and clearly. Obviously it's an accident but the cover up immediately the cover up a couple of isis guys with explosives. That's why the explosion was so big. You know they had a bunch of vests or whatever bombs pipebombs in the trunk. It was a big lie. I'm telling you people are opening. There is obviously the people on the left. Wanna protect by but a lot of them like we mentioned. Avian greenwald and bell chris. Hayes are saying holy crap. These people are evil taken out of family and that saying yeah couple of isis guys did a job did the trick. Seven seven children mean. I thought we were supposed to care about the children we are we do we do. Just if you don't have to admit your killed kids. And they're i think they're getting a little bit of a route awake and people are waking up and say holy crap. We can't cover up this stuff forever eventually. We can't protect this buffoon. Who is talking about. Sending robbery lee to win sending robert e lee into afghanistan. You know if we have to go back to go back. Can i hope we send resurrect robert much if we have to go back and they're fighting back room because they own it now or they're fighting there that you know we. We have fun our own tanks in our own rifles and our own arena. Armored personnel carriers. And we're gonna battle and it's against a guy's using our stuff. Well that'll be. That'll take an extra effort for the media to cover up because seen the videos come out of afghanistan and beating women that have their head scarfs on incorrectly. Cut off the head of a police officer. Cut off the head of cop tracking people down with the lists that we the kill list that we gave them as reports of them taking Like twelve thirteen year old boys. I didn't see north that resistance. They're taking boys out of the house. Know yet killing them or they're using them as soldiers or whatever but it's gonna get ugly and maybe their un ambassador. He's living in new york. He can explain it all to us. He will be a wanted terrorist. The ten million daniela's head but he'll be there. Un rep so. Maybe he'll explain to us all how the taliban coming along now that they're What did they call helpful. Partners helpful partners of the biden regime. But we believe that air. 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"I we're live. we are live all right. Can you guys hear me okay. Loud and clear. Great davis so nervous. It's unbelievable what's the credible is. I'm in this hotel that's It's nice but it's old warehouse. They converted into a hotel space. Great room but it is so echoey. Look how high the ceilings incredibly high. So i'm gonna have. I assume echo the entire time so yeah. You don't sound fantastic. you don't sound now. No okay okay. Well i mean so. I said dave texted me some stupid thing this morning. I don't know whether it was what was that. It was to test the speed of your internet. Yeah so. I don't even know what it means. So i do that to david. David i called. Jesus was that good or bad. Or i don't know i don't care it's amazing how much you care if it's remarkably good. Actually where you are. You just sound like shit. 'cause you're using an iphone. Okay so i sound terrible. Not terrible but not fantastic. Hopefully when we download it. I think it's just for the life. It's not hopefully when we download some different. It sounds fine and people will complain okay. So two things two stories. I want to get to Before we get to some other stuff Number one I they gave me a truck for rental and it is great. I have decided a truck guy by a truck. I might drive a truck home. I love this truck so driving the truck route. Where i do now is like yesterday. I had some gum which usually too much put the gum in here was driving the truck and pretended i was packing house spitting. It's like it's like a fantasy come true so yesterday i one thing i did learn though driving around. You should do if you do have to. Fucking trucks are terrible with gas so filling up the gas yesterday and a guy is kind of looking at me like whatever And i only pay attention filling up. The guy comes around from the other side slowly. This is true slowly pulls up to roll the window down and says to me I don't want to bother you. But i also hate warthogs girlfriend. Now that's stunning. What state were you in when this happened either state. That has that much. I said we said we all do. And what what puts that on your mind like you're out doing god knows what he's folly but i was. I was here to investigate one case. But it's kinda spilled into another one now. Because i think somebody in this iowa area is cousins with the guy in colorado at the rockies game so i yeah i gotta take i mean i gotta take this guy down investigations now. Well i mean he's been yelling a mascot for years right i mean not even at mascots well at mascots for them to like acknowledge him. I guess you know it was a really cool thing. That's what he should be under investigation for. I'm not sure what is now. Look obviously any. That's what he was doing. I mean i've seen it like. There's no there's no way again way. This guy is screaming and were allowed to the baseball game. Colorado doesn't mean that again. I been doing this now for four years. It doesn't mean that people say that or think that but just like with adam jones. That didn't happen torii hunter which was even more absurd. This idea that ten children were chanting it in parents were cheering on. This guy was screaming at a mascot. For which i agree he should be banned from major league baseball parks for life for that. I got no problem. It does seem the idea that no one reacted if he is hilarious. Why can't people laugh at that shit where it's like. That would be funny if he was screaming at that volume and everyone just went on with their business true. It'd be like i think he tweeted. Be less embarrassing. Wake i don't but now the times is writing about it. But i i actually have a feeling. This is not gonna stick like adam. Jones did ironically. All we wanted was audio true fathom jones. We never got it like this audio and the explanation. There's no way i saw. They're launching an investigation by. They should spend their time and resources. It's good the find a guy who they know exactly who. He is said exactly what they know he said. I think that's a good way to spend the major league baseball teams time. I hope they find really personal details about his life so that we can. You know harass him. I think that'd be good. It's you know a evidently ba. I'm sure it'll ban them so it's a if it's the guy that you know did they're focusing on. I think this guy is a longtime season ticket holder. They said like you know you could see. It's him and look if it's wrong. It turns out some racist saying the n. Word than you know. i'm. I'm all for kicking the guy out but you see the video the guy clearly is pointing for. There's nothing there's a long war bunch of people are excited. And i've never really even as a kid never really understood the appeal mascots. I've always felt that were very strange. Really got it but this mascots name is dinger course. Colorado is get the finnair's all the home runs Her jerry's podcast. This morning while i was running and jerry macaroni thought the the the Mascots was digger. Which would be a little that would be tricky digger which i thought well chronic correct it but you're saying yet digger. I said. now let's think about it guys. This guy was right. There are too many diggers at the ball game. But i don't want obviously relitigate. Adam jones torii hunter. We all know that you know we are way. This validates my point. But adam jones quickly re-litigating for years ago is that there was immediately video and it was immediately people saying no. He said that. Like if adam jones somebody yelled at the been video with this is all over the place. I whatever it's just a dumb. I mean this is so silly and it's gonna be you know it'll be a big story today but i think it'll float away. I think it could be wrong. I didn't see. I didn't see you guys referenced. In any of the articles. I saw the adam jones situation referenced in article about this but i didn't see like boston. Sports radio doubted that happened. It'd be the only one with the balls to say. Because i'm not an employee here but is it any coincidence that barstool pops up in colorado and all of a sudden screaming the bowl games mutton question. I mean this guy. I assumed some talk to this guy. Today i would think i don't know i don't do we ever hear from these people that you'd never get their side of the story. I don't think what do you mean by that. The you know you know talking about. I don't make it all fuss at the game. I feel always compel women team. I just loved screaming at lucky favorite yell at him and my kids are like dad. What are you doing like. I can't help but the guy is stress doing flipped. He's got a basketball look at the acrobats. The harry those are the real athletes harry. Don't don't worry about the about yawns. Look at lucky this guy. that's you can learn from. it must be. Let's be realistic. Not everybody's make the nba. Everybody can be a mascot. If only for one day. I love that. We're also gonna have an investigation. Where like worst case scenario be like. Yeah he did it. And i guess we just go back to our lives. I mean sam. Kennedy told me that he didn't believe adam jones when we got we talked about it like during the whole thing. We trying to get kind of calm down. He's like. I don't believe it either but we need to do this and i was like well. Why like. why did they say like on air. Like i'm not even sure if it happened or something like that. Yeah i mean you know. And like i said the torii hunter one. I think torii hunter's story was in the greg hill. People just like let it go. When he was on there was that ten kids would ever jumping up and down screaming the word in people in the stands cheering and laughing. That's just like it's just so it's so dominant so may made up know. I gotta show nessin until john. Henry stephens. That we can't we can't do it true. She's i don't know so we'll see what happens with that. With what else is going on you guys. Well i heard the same. I got the same award to you. Did your friend. Gary tanguay brought you up this morning. By the way. I i guess i guess they were talking about a list that the the most miserable people most miserable jobs in radio hosts was up there like the craziest radio. Host asked to use any doubt. I've never. I don't think i've ever met normal. Person hosts radio show amount of normal person is. Who's a normal person that we all know we deal with. You know jim. Murray seems like a fairly normal guy. Yeah that's true. I don't know him that well but that's true. He seems pretty. Well adjusted i think. Yeah maybe yeah. Maybe he's in but you know a big thing as mornings like it's such a you know. I think that now six. Am you've got to be. It's not like you're going to do a you know a job at six. Am you have to be on and going and it screws up your whole life. I don't think. I just don't think it's bill meant for for normal people which is anyone in entertainment to want the attention that you have to crave like the only reason you become a podcast or comedian or actor waste so people say how much they like you you need to quench that thirst. I guess you can't be a good one. That'd be normal right. I think you could probably just go into your job. You know all the jobs go. I don't know who knows so. I heard i don't know i don't know what he said. Yeah i'd say on the on the crazy scale. I'd give radio the nagyova. Tv buyer smidge. There you have is the biggest cycle tan. I had to deal with radio wise. Hold on hold on. Hold on hold on hold on. Who's that who's that that is Spouse okay recent support gary. Wow i'm trying to think now. Who is charles lockwood era. No i never met him. Guy was not no no no no. He's still alive right. yeah he's out in hawaii. He's gonna out there but he was sick for a while. But i think he's okay now. craziest radio guy owes remember over. May i i on this by. The way is scary. Doing everything is power to avoid. I know gary. I concur that brain spinning do it. Do i not do it. Really worth it ozo- ozone who's that. I have no idea i have no idea. Ozone is okay us crazy then. I saw pictures of them online at address somewhere that that that was fine as we here never worked with. How do i could tell you. There's one there was one person on this radio station if i mentioned his name though. Never let me on the air again. His first name was kirk but he was brilliant. The smartest guy. I've ever met but Job speaking out about mental illness and he does. That is right there by the way. Please don't let me with this. I also like you know like now. Maybe he will make fun is a lot going on. Well there you go well. That's very nice. Gary to say to them the smartest persons ever met all fairly accurate. Smart an insane person i guess. Yeah i mean it's but that is like sad you can't say my name. I know he got the first name out there. Like all right you just suspended not just weird. So it's yeah. Well that's nice. Yeah in carey's great you know i know I assume gary chance that afternoon. Job when when glenn i don't know i i don't know well if the program director doesn't take from a my assume so that's right that's a good point. Yeah so what's what's going on. Show wise over the weekend. I've been busy you know. I know there's something justin his itching to clear his name on. This justin is ready to clear his name on allah. Do we have simplisafe day. I we yes. Someone simplisafe simplisafe dot com slash kirk. Simply can i get out of this and then do this and read the copy in my okay. Do yeah you disappear from the live. That's all right. I don't i don't get the shawmut. Trae get the i wanna say. 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I was listening to buy. i like. We've done this remember. We did this. Stephen budget types like i. I was in the studio. Nobody like i during the show sometimes but like it's not that's like sitting on a whoopie cushion. Couldn't be little there's got to be. Is there something that would happen. Dave like audio wise. I was the first one. Like i'm just made the noise because i was just saying like quantum week bad movie choice. You know what i mean. That was me. I wouldn't do that twice. Harring them to shit. you'll bit. yeah. I wouldn't do it twice so i don't know the other one was per the other one was the real fart sound. I was perfect. It was like the sound effect fart. Sound yeah but clay. I mean it's not it's no way it's real ink and cross jump is patriotic basically. That's me okay. yeah terrible. You need back basic instinct. That's that's part of him ever heard one who's asked up my asshole pretty far from the microphone. Like who you know i. I don't think it was quantum chris I i say you dave no. It was a bit done. This is a room that everyone would admit to it though. I don't like. I don't know if i farted farted. I you know i mean. It's pretty obvious was justin. That's not true not true. He was ready to eat. He was fired up about this this morning. Tonight it's supply. Who was it. That justice don't maybe it was. I don't know if the goes to steve or something. But i mean do you think it was quantity chris. Yes okay. i think they're going to find the rockies. Go to figuring won't be good okay. We solve major controversy news update from the case. So what's the you're just. They're exploring just doing research. And you like what you're seeing for the next season or know what's the deal like. Do you like what you're finding out from this trip that you think you're going to stick with it. Or what's the point. Yes it's a scouting mission so far. So good yeah. I got a bunch of stuff to do this week. That i feel i feel pretty good about it next couple of days. We'll be busy Is there anything you're doing that steve would like a. Are you taking on any of his duties all well for shore like it will yesterday. I'm looking for a little bridge. It's little covered bridge Were a body was found years and years ago and it has since the point. Now where like you have to go through miles of woods to get to it. That was like steve with just put his boots on is aren't hacking like like lewis and clark Still trying to figure out how to get there but But no i don't think yeah i think steve i wouldn't have needed steep yet not yet to this point. This is more a gathering simon so far so far so good. It's been nice you. I was nice. It's flat nice. People are people friendly. it's definitely a different atmosphere than season. One in terms of just the characters. The people wrote true traditional. That's going to be good or bad or what it's easier to talk to people and have conversations I'll say that so you know we'll see. I pretty good though. I feel pretty good. You do sound lonely. Do you want just go down before i don't. I mean i do a beautiful room just a big king bed king-sized stubby. Could watch wrestling tonight. So there's a lot to do but But no pretty good. Pretty good should be good week at three big shows from this frigging room is god drives me nuts up things do instead of talking to trying to figure out who fucking fargo also important. Work equally important. Sure don't wait. How was your big trip like fun. It was a good time. Have made it down. Maybe because of You guys made it down in rapid time. That's good it's up big yankees. Come from behind win you damn right people talking me at the game but our boys came back. Oh is that right well. People said i was a jinx early on. I said you've got to trust. Our yanks ran the red sox. Are coal lapsing right now. Which i love. Ever since. I like to find someone listener. Let me know when we started talking about the yankees. The record since in the corrobos removing the show from the bio. It's to intense since then or something right completely falling apart tolling falling apart the deal with your neighbor. They're saying you made him a yankees fan not the other way around. What was the deal with that. I don't know that's forty years of whatever. But i definitely was not the case i was. I was younger. The is you re. Yeah we talked. We text a little bit. We're going to meet up which is going to be crazy. Haven't seen in forever. i like i said. Don't the last time we saw each other needle pubic hair. And then look at this. And i said a big picture of my my My great bush. So i think i think we're gonna be okay. That was just. I didn't know you were actually yankees fan as a kid. I'm try was trying to remember. Like i can't really remember you talking red sox but did you ever pretend to be a red sox fan when you were doing like straight sports. I don't think so. Maybe the now. Because like i don't think so. No no because. I remember you talking red sox but i never remember you being a fan boy in any way. No no definitely i was patriots fan. Growing up celtics fan. Growing up. didn't really care about hockey. The and And i like the yankees the yankees were probably my second favorite behind the definitely. The celtics and i was a kid. Wow i never knew that. With what else is going on. What's up with what's going you dave. What are you Nothing with me personally. Did you see that boston. Dot com article where it was. Oh no would you say didn't did go ahead. Oh did you see the field where the guy who wrote a column about how. There's no black artists who play. Who have concert to fenway park. Besides jay z ten years ago. Did you see that saw that john. Henry that's a tough route. John henry because he needs to itches liberal like you know scratch but at the same time it criticizes the so. I'll ask a question in. i'm just. I'm just asking it other than jamesy right. And you got beyond say Give me some fifty. gimme So i could so. I can help this writers point. What other black artists would definitely sell out rank drake. Okay kendrick lamar right now. Yeah okay Who's the all the weekend who was at the super bowl halftime. Show there all right okay. So yup oh there's definitely acts yeah was. He was princeton the article two. We referenced like like won't he referenced. Wolfgang right who opened. Is that still who opened for guns and roses. He apart van halen do they call it. Van halen no wolfgang van halen group i forget needs one name i forget yes so we re he referenced that well devoe opened for new kids on the block. Those are now you know the crew used to do her me. Yeah come on the words and off the top of my head actually. That girl is poison. I know that part of the song. I don't know the i guess the i guess. The question is so billy joel. Played their guns and roses played there. new-kids-on-the-block played there. I think zac brown was there last night. So like three of those least are for a really a forty above audience. Joel needs the block and Zebra guns arose guts roses so like what. Black artists are in their fifties and sixties. Like billy joel seventies. Who would go. Who would appeal to that. Fenway crowd you wonder. I guess yup for sure that's one. Well he sell out fenway park. I don't know once. I'm stevie wonder toward in general I've been falling tour schedule. Take better than me. What does that mean guy. Soobee guys talk although you're actually blind. My favorite stevie wonder story is shacked. Told some story that he He walked by stevie wonder. And steve wonder google's up check. I believe that's one of those person i told you. Believe i know the the mic. Drop thing that could just be instinct that he caught it like be pure luck. Y'all could probably if she if she was touring Janet jackson probably right not anymore. She park but that's that's the closest you'd get. I think yeah. I'm sure we're forgetting somebody in you know that's on me but yeah it's reasonable question. I guess i mean i. Don't you know i every day seems. I saw a story in the twitter. The new york times wrote about how the wedding industries to white. I probably so. I don't know they got to figure it out. Well also there's a point where you have to say like well. It is the majority of the country you know it is going to be the majority of a lot of things davis. Get rid of that. I'm just numbers. Route numbers common sense. You should know that by now. My favorite part of that article though was when they were like except for jay z. Who was touring with justin timberlake. So in order to get one you had to take the other shrew as if they were like sisters do we've i guess will take it. I don't think i was thinking of this about the that that kirkman show cruise which i think dave call name is going to be captain colony leading away enough. Well i got. I got a book tom cruise. I don't that's the that's the mission that's true for crews I was thinking about how. I would do that for. A hundred million dollars for week on the i wouldn't do it for one hundred million dollars i would not go to at fenway for and have to stay there. I'm not kidding. If you offer me a billion dollars i would do it. One billion dollars for salt in some way. So i would never go. Secondly i couldn't sit through it. And like i have enough money. Where like having a billion dollars would be great. But i don't anyway. I don't care i wouldn't make it. I would make it through the show. I could make it through the show. You hate their music that much. Like what if what if it was. A part of the world is a part of the building. Where like you could be. it could be private. It's just a couple of people you're just sitting there and nobody's around you. You're just looking at that. No mistakes have to be. I'm going to be with the rest of the but the rest of those lunatics for billion dollars the problem with these arguments with you is you just have enough money like it should be a billion dollars. No no but you have enough money. You know for for To have a good time you know true. So you say you're satisfied. You know it. A the money. Argument doesn't really work. It has to be like you know. Take away your children or something. I have paid two hundred fifty dollars to go to that concert the other night. I would have paid money to go to that concert really that they put on a good show. They got to put out of commission the other day they have like. What do they have ten. Good solid sink. Even though they put on a good show. I've seen seed highlights on tv and he did a nice tribute to his mom would love to have been there for that. Who's he donnie. Wahlberg there's a whole group now known dave's looking up on stage jordan knight. Fuck off my brother. Adam growing up like lights the new kids on the block. It was all girls and my brother. Adam ratail at the time to my aunt. Sandra took him to a new kids on the block concert. I think in maine and whatever it like their peak peak which is probably like eighty nine and it was like. She's like yeah she's like it. Was all girls like you had to go. The bathroom walked in. There was no one else there was no one else. There was the first concert i ever went too. I mean like. I had to tag along with my sisters. I think or something like that and the parents but any drop the mic lip synching and it kept going scrape foxboro stadium. I think it was back then. Remember don't read but she's they sold out. Fox played foxborough state. Jesus knows are the markets. I wonder how they want a stadium tour for new kids on the block. I actually think it is really yeah. Oh nostalgia so like oh i assume just around here. They could pull that off. They've done a really good job at like. They partnered with like the backstreet boys. Two years ago in sold out shows relevant. Yeah i didn't know no better better help is back this week. it's a customized. Online therapy offers video. Phone even live chat sessions with your therapist enough to see him on camera. If you don't want to understand that that could be you know uncomfortable for some much more affordable than person therapy and you are communicating. Therapist is i said. Or if i did should under forty eight hours. It's great. i mean you got. You gotta do these. These have been a great great part. I've had people reach out to us that they thanked me. They said they feel better now. and you know this look. 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That's why the the name of it stinks. I guess the writer of it got really sensitive. I guess it was a blue more call new watched portrayal of oj. The than the tweet was speaking of which is like a week old. The new york times tweet. That was like it was basically a book review new like osama bin laden complicated life. Yeah good family guy. But you know listening. Needs to mistakes along the way a reconsideration of his legacy. I'm like. I don't think we really need to reconsider it that we make sure three thousand people versus z. Raise some good kids. Jesus but yeah. A poachers is one of those guys. Like i don't find oj interesting. I find people around him like what was it. They malcolm lavar. Yeah we had him on like desert that i find interesting for though jay towers. Just like i- rewatch this morning. Because i figured we'd talk about an article and i re watched him essentially confessing to the murder. He's like well. Hypothetically if i did it and that is the weirdest thing that happened up where he's like. No you have to remember. This is a hypothetical scenario. You wrote a book called. That is really wild. The imagery in it. He's either a fantastic writer. Or i mean come on. I didn't say anything other than sorry. Yeah yeah i read. I read as much as i could. I i kind of. Oj doubt at this point in life. The what's left to say. Eventually she'll die. It'll be over. I always find him funny. For whatever reason every time you ways in some issue on twitter i will watch the video. I find it. Larry's do you follow him. I don't follow. I don't foam. Because i figured i could get cancelled for that or something. Well he's just so as confident like he's the fact he even just said like anybody would want my life. I mean i guess it makes sense because you said he plays golf four times a week ago. Not that bad. He's still got that. Nfl player pension right did they. Yeah no i don't think it did. They could which is like two hundred thousand year good for him. It was just kind of sitting there and not doing it. I'm just saying. Look if i did. It gets twenty five thousand dollars a month. Eases christ i just books two hundred twenty five grand a month so it's three hundred grade year. Yup because he also gets some money from the screen actors guild so well the scam. What a scam. what's call. You just saw the suicide squad movie. This this weekend wasn't great just looking in the mirror. What you went to go. see your mom. no. I want to go see one from mark. Oh we won't mark yeah as mark doing. He's doing good. he's also mark Yeah he works for the town of walpole. He's just chugging along and we went out to patriots place. All right. I just chugging along is just chugging along okay. Chuck chuck chuck to patriots place. Yeah when interest. That's your cinema of choice. Yeah i mean that's where champions play so And he lives right by there. That's relevant. that's it was three hours away but yeah we were a bar. Hopping decided to go see suicide squad. Yeah look at you just mad about town. He is speaking of which how the house the board games with your it was fantastic. It was good. It was good. We played arkell your play. I'm embarrassing it's like. It's kinda like yahtzee. it's you know you gotta roll. Roll some dice trying to get ones and fives and if you get no ones and fives markle knee. Lose all your points. It's a millennials. Take on yahtzee. How did you win did you did you win. Or what i did. Not win my My grandmother actually one. That's good it's wonderful while with the story to which ones i don't even know suicide squad it's dc. It's like the bad guys the loan. Yes was he had a very small part and it wasn't anything great jerry little wacky as oh damn. He was in the david air. This is james done one. Oh my poetry's james gunn is back. Even though he was this controversy he had some some jokes. Certain kids getting fucked and stuff like that and then far right trolls. I guess if you wanna call them looked it up because he was a big anti-trump guys they were like. Oh look at this person and then Disney kick him out of dr into the galaxy. But now he's back. I saw the far right guys including jerry foaming at the mouth. Obama had this party over the weekend. You know martha's vineyard juries like comparing it to like how sturgis people are taking shit. I have to say like this. Is i guess you know i. I'm i'm never gonna be on one side of the the other side of this whole thing thing like i'm gonna guess that the great majority of the people the bombers party were vaccinated and the great majority of the people at sturgis are not the accident. I think both should be allowed to have as many people want. But i do think that's i think you're reaching when you make that comparison kirke put weed in gift baskets. He was the president of the united states. I heard about that. But like i mean we i understand. Why is obama. i. I don't know this is obama. Big finger wag the whole time or no no and i think michelle obama has been more than him right which is probably why. They said he was throwing himself party. Rather than michelle obama throwing a party because it is the weirdest move is to say. Hey guys having birthday party wanna come over strange anyway. He's fucking losers like fly and there are people who went to in the vineyard. Who gonna cancel for going to the big weren't allowed to go to the party. And yeah oh god. That's going to be like coop. Yeah i i'm your tank was the new york times reporter who took shit over the weekend because she said that she figured everyone going there with sophisticated and they're probably vaccinated so it's not that big of a deal which actually she took shit for but i agree with you. That is actually kind of my problem with it though because like last year that big thing in missouri or wherever it was the big party. Look at these disgusting people but it's obama. It's like. I'm sure they're fine. You know they're not spreading more filling stadiums now like sporting events or do you think. The bike rallied sturgis percentage. Do you think the bike rally in sturges had you know tens of thousands of more people than the obama birthday party. Yes right yeah. What percentage of vaccination do you think is higher party. You should we can throw thatt's out the window what i'm saying. It's wrong to generalize one way and not the other i by the way. I think that they should have stirred so doors. I supported one hundred percent. But i'm just saying like this is to me. The example of the extreme right reaching for something is obama. Phony shore You know. Here's here's where where i think it is the truth. If somehow this obama party turned out to be some super spreader the media would never reported ever whereas sturgis happened. They will be. It'd be dancing in the hallways of the boston globe. And the times they'd be all in the washington post no question about that. No doubt about that those remember. We were worried last year. Might this a ago was we were worried about sokoll being this crazy super spreader. In retrospect it turned out to be never told her. We not even like expected that we were almost like definitely is going to be like. We always that's fine. I don't but this year. I don't know and that's less than two weeks away. Correct it is. Yeah and you guys put this to work this week david. What's your creative juices. Flowing on you justin To put together some content for soccer this week so all. Is it all on us that we have to pitch it back to you or are you just to let us produce it. And then you have the keys to the catholics. We watch it. If i don't like we'll be to do as much as you can. Good we're all any. Do you have ideas. just i do you think so. Yeah yes very. How many ideas do you have me. I've like to two or three two. Okay gimme right now. Pitch me the worst idea. Because i want. I don't want you to give the worst idea you have. Let me see what we're dealing with The great the great geary. It's not an idea. My name is similar. Do you want the worst well. Yeah because if it's a really good idea it'll i want it to be a surprise people at soko. Just okay. well. Then i don't. I mean the great geary. We would probably be kinda dress mike. Justin that's a fucking idea you had last time it's ivan idea. I don't think there's something there. What are you talking about. The same amount of syllables g. y. Book innocent battle wasco. Now it wasn't like a book. What was it what is it was a couple months ago. Okay that's your. That's your two ideas. that's one of them. No that's the worst idea. Okay you said you have two or three. It doesn't want to give you them because they're good ideas that you're probably going to say yes to shut up. So what what's the worst at all right. Dave what's Probably that pop news. We won because it's just kind of predictable and boring. Think yes i do. I liked dave looking for approval. That you agree with that. It's a bad idea right. It's a bad idea right. Actually i asked him a question on saturday morning and that like i said do you want this. And he just wrote i do not. I've seen some of the other. It was it was like it's one of those ones honestly were disguise. Not on the same page creatively guy. See la like it. Such a corny petty idea that i was just making sure i wouldn't have wanted that either but i just threw was. Why was the petiot. Well it's just like very corny predictable. And i'm not a corny predictable guy. The why why'd you pitch it. What if i say nouveau corneas in you like you have a little predictability and you know tall. Yeah always people always also piggybacking off of what you had just texted me. I was just making sure. That's all wasn't that bad. If it's a bad idea can we. What does Look it kind of tie it sort of ties into something else. That's all but it was a bad idea. It was dave's ideas horrible idea. It was a terrible ted. This checking checking. Yes yeah so okay okay. How many ideas. Keep the so justin. Let me ask you this. You consider yourself justice who still a angling for full-time job do you consider yourself justin's in some way it's not as boss. I am a supervisor. Sometimes yes but. I don't yeah but it's more collaborative than probably just like do this do this do this. Yeah okay okay When you hear he has two ideas for soko and one of them is the great year. Are you saying as as a super bowl. That was the third idea you. You're misquoting yeah. I know i know he has good ideas. He's told me some of the good ideas. Okay so you feel like he has sufficient ideas for this. Yes i do. Yeah i have. I wrote down yesterday about the wilbur. I have fourteen ideas for the wilbur. The just fourteen at wild all right just giving you know just giving idea what what you're these are top-shelf ideas they are dave idea of a bruce springsteen tribute band. Come play with wilbur. These original ideas. Was that a real idea. That was yes it was. do you need. Do you need all the roommates. To be present at the wilbur. So you can do like a long form interview of my history or do you know what i'm talking about. Just read the roommates stories classic. I just figured you'd want the ball there for sit down kind of big time interview now got wait i want to know the the tribute band just seriously play. Bruce songs is that washington which is jamming out to some bruce. It's gonna be there has to be moderately interactive. So wouldn't just be like. Oh just go to them to play bruce song. They'd have some kind of other role. Okay yeah interesting. What dave some of the role like holiday like host shop ushers. They have to have a sense of humor. You'll probably make fun of them right. I would assume it's quite a role in the show. God i'm just float aloneness thing. I'm sitting there. We're gonna fake. Max weinberg get up here. I literally pulled over the side of the road in the middle of nowhere. I would denver iowa. It scribbled down a bunch of ideas. I had for this for the show. While i'm trying to work the other thing. And i get dave like Tribute band knows. We don't you don't even have to show up. I didn't. I didn't think he'd just go to them. And they do like a three or four songs set. I just thought they would be there active. That's all like extra exercising. What did he acting like president. Like you can like saying. Dave sing radio where you could call them. If we if we booked dave. I hope to be present. Be handing out shirts and cousy early on okay. Okay by the way speaking of that. What did you think of jeff. Lows springsteen lists the other day Do this reading out react to it song by song. 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He was asking your permission to tweet. About bruce springsteen off he was not. I didn't see it. i actually see it already. Yard tweeted out. As a matter of fact. I like jeff. I'm not going to. I don't know when we're playing again though I haven't heard that. I'm hope it's not this week of a real stink on. Maybe never and the other thing is. I got an email for steven shay over the weekend. Saying hey kirk doing the fantasy football draft on wednesday night new york Or having doesn't teams participate now is on rico pat. So he's like. Let let whoever know about your travel agents in new york. If you want to participate in this sound like i. I was ice response. That was not dying to go to new york to fantasy football draft. You busy otherwise you'd be there. Yes yes. I give me the list to one all right. Let's go to one youngstown number ten. I approve sherry darling number nine i hate that some jungle in number eight great song but it wouldn't be a mytalk down the river number seven might be in my top ten sometimes. It's my top ten dancing in the dark number six. no no no no no no badlands. Number five no born to run number four. God no no no no rosalita number three hate that song thunder road number two great song spirit in the night number one. Not one of my favorites. I'd give the list. Overall c minus. Yeah crying crying. Minus harry would say jeff low i give him a c minus But but. But i'm also not one of these like i'm on. I'm not ashamed like that. Those are songs you like. What am i going to do. Get mad like some bruce fans get all worked up. I saw the comments. What are you gonna do. If those favorite bruce saunters per saux. I never understood instinct. It'd be like oh you know if your brain is wired to like a song what are you gonna do about it. The ones you say are bad. You hate them or do you not like them for br. Because i would think you would be an apologist for. Oh bruce owns no. I think. Critically preussage before I mean like born to run is a great song. But i've heard it so many fucking times life. I don't ever want to hear it again. You know like a single badlands. I couldn't put together putting together. A top ten. Bruce list from us. It's too it's too emotional to involve. It changes all the time i right now. I'm not in the motion place to do that right now. I want to do it. That's good we'll do it. Yeah we'll do fuck you i want to. I won't make jerusalem. I did see that though. Yes but i don't. I don't know and i don't even know the status of our team like i don't even know if ricoh boss goes on team or not ended that he was on the today. It could be a meltdown. Right isn't today. The day that nadu shows up for pick central today could be an ugly day that noted what racist in woman haters charges to file how sorts of things. I guess i was gonna ask you mike. So did you see that jerry. Seinfeld documentary comedian. I'll become comedic. I know he's got a big presence online. Done conan's is only atoms for like is he. Abc where again be on the. I think that's his biggest credit. Oh it is even brought up. They say like the guy from the documentary comedian. Okay because he's got like five hundred thousand followers on twitter. I didn't know i bet he. I mean he definitely sells out like comedy clubs and things. I don't know if he plays he theaters anywhere. I don. I don't know much about his comedy at all because i didn't find that funny movie. Sorry i know a guy. I don't know if he's like these guys like a funny older because older now. Probably a part of the same age now. That's wasn't that. I would guess yen a very I've heard a bitter like a podcast or two and he comes off as kind of a bitter guy. So that's all it really dick. The documentary fair. not yeah. He won't comes off better in podcasts. Effort i don't think he's like know to that degree but i was watching the hotel room. Netflix whatever so as watching it Just flipping around. I hadn't seen it. I saw the theater. I haven't seen it since that in the it's funny because seinfeld. The premise of it is. You know it's like he abandoned his old act and has a whole new act and like he's like he's like he's one point it's like oh this is great. It's like the old days. When i just started trying new town and they show him getting driven to his private airport. Whereas plane takes off like dc. They showed us hotel palace hall or something. Yeah my this isn't like it wasn't seventy nine. I don't think but it's also like i don't think he really did throw out his own. I've always heard that. Like and i think i owned on dvd. Like what is special. I'm telling you for the last time. Yeah but i've heard him. I'm pretty sure. I've heard him do the like he was on letterman. The worst seinfeld bit. I've ever heard he was on letterman in like two thousand eleven or two thousand twelve and he did a Star six nine joke. And he's in. Oh so sick. At sixty eight seventy they couldn't have picked a different number and jerry's whose dial that in years so it's been years. That's that's not good. Jesus what else we got. You know what i walk. I watched the val kilmer documentary this weekend. I wasn't amazon right. Yeah it wasn't that bad. He was he wasn't as obnoxiously. Artsy is i thought he'd be well a kind of i wanna watch. It was funny so it's going to watch. It's called vowel right. Yep yeah i'll watch it next couple of days a chance It's just it's just a bunch of his home movies right. Yeah which actually. He said he was the first person he knew to have a video camera so it was actually pretty cool that he took a lot of that onset so how they show him now talking or no yes but he's got to like hold the whole one throat and he's in top gun to cower. They're gonna do that yeah. I don't know what they're gonna do. I don't know he doesn't even really talk about the future. That much of like what. What's going i don't know it was just kind of. It's kind of a blog documentaries. Cool to see the behind the scenes stuff but he didn't even do a lot on top gun which sucks. I wanted more on top gun. But whatever whether it's what's the movies he is focused on the most the doors Yet that was that was He talked about. What's the other one tombstone that i've never seen you talk about that right now. But he's he's doing the comecon stuff it just. I don't know it just seems completely often. He lost all his money didn't he. That was part of a to. His dad fucked them. Oh is that right. Disney also addict to work with famously missing. This is probably good for his image. I would assume because he comes he comes off night like a good guy in this but yeah he was like sort of poised. After the batman he was was actually a big hit and they walked away then he was in heat in tombstone. He was awesome in the doors. He was really good obviously top gun but he was such a dick that there were like there are certain people who are such dixit even the hollywood they make money off them. They're like we'll fuck and get somebody else norton's like that. Yeah i'd never heard. I didn't know what people are just like. Fuck this guy like we're good like we'll get somebody else not have to deal with. It always wondered why he hasn't been in movies and he does like he's done like he did a voice in that Seth rogan cartoon. And shit so i just assumed he was like a wacky guy. Yeah maybe he's melis older. I don't know but yeah there. Sure guys that. Just you know. Julia roberts brother eric roberts is like that like he was nominated for an oscar like he was going to be a big star in the eighties. And they a prick that like who need the rourke you know where it's like they just fucked themselves out of a career and kill was definitely one of those guys but yeah i'll be curious topgun too which is supposed to come out In a few months he'll be in it. He's he's like you know here's a small role the guy he can't talk right now he's got you can hear him but when did they film it. They like three years ago at this point right. Yeah but i think he's been like this for a couple of years now has he. Yeah i think yeah releasing november nineteenth top gun to over nineteen. What did you do in jersey. Went to the beach on. Friday was a beautiful day. went to yankees game. It was lovely. That's all you did. You went to the beach and the yankees Yeah hung out with friends and Their their family who were close with and It was pretty laid back weekend. Nothing crazy to report home. Where was it jersey. Belmar like jersey shore area or what you're telling us does that mean he's hiding something on I dunno i feel like you're he's old enough now. Where you just like. Make the trip to see french. And there's no debauchery going on no not really know how is how is he. The viewing experience fewer the yankees game. I assumed asks me that. So the whole time i was thinking it's just like i'm watching a painting of yankee stadium. Essentially your first time in the new stadium. I went once the year. It opened ben affleck twelve years right so i made my triumphant return this time. I'm not better yet. i mean it's it's definitely nice. It's essentially just like a mall. You know it's not as it doesn't have like a historic feel at all but right was a factor. Yeah pretty much you know. A few a few dinger's ruin the experience for the rest of us but speaking of sports teams. Did you hear kirk. That was saying that They're in talks with a professional team to carry broadcast rights. And all that. Did you hear that. The other down friday Who the hell could that possibly be in the video for the arizona. The neither no. I think he did. Yes i've had. I had a source of barstool. Tell me who it might be. I would just say that. I mean if it happens it'll be interesting my source. Mlb it has to be. Emma be right. I don't know i do not well. The nfl's knocking. I meant to say no. Not doughnut guy tweets out pictures. Do not be likes coffee guy. I think he likes well. I won't say. Look at me to say nope paul you. What but yeah. I don't know. I is barstool going to take over frigging world like i'm concerned about this. The plans i worked there but like these people. mostly dummies. like it's funded. This happen we need to have some control over much of a problem. I mean like i was. I wanna say quarter will be president. Yeah you're gonna read one day. The sentence in a newspaper or online when asked for comment secretary of state. Marty bush put the business people in his cabinet. That is that is that is going to you know. We're in a war ambassador. Japan borstal eddie had no comment at the time. These things are gonna happen will be great oil were oh my mental anguish will be worth it when i have a video of the president of the united states screaming. Shutoff fuck up. You're in trouble then realizes he just basically put you in prison somewhere deported. Although i think he's mellow don hasn't he I guess so. Yeah i mean there's been no No drama speak of. I don't imagine he thinks about me. These days probably not probably true anything else on your end guys. No not really was that they're offering. Did you see that. They're offering radio hosts and podcasters at thousand dollars to pitch the vaccine. Did you see this. You get a following. You didn't see this. You call just to let you know if you need a thousand bucks a month. Yeah by a month. Yes do i don't know about. You might pretty good with a full trump patriot. Dot com slash. Mike thank you could just walk. We have justin greek page. We give thousand bucks a month to justin have to do some work on his twitter fall. You're gonna have to plug a moment up saying i'll do it and i'll give them money. Justin oh sure we'll out. Yeah i'll reach out to see I'll just get your name in the mix and then and then we'll we'll see who we'll see if it works here that this is a massachusetts. I think it's i think it's actually through. I don't know if it's a government program or what. But they're trying to use like micro influencers so yeah. I think people should get the vaccination absolutely jam that stuff in your body you know. What's in it but i would say you know what i haven't said this a lot with like two times or three types that your extra safe this is going to make headlines now. What do you mean for comedy. Podcast says that it's news triple safe. This whoa how much safer can you get. We'll do it if you want to do things like you're not going to be able to do things if you don't get it so just do it. You know like you're gonna have your passport so just do it. We're going to be serious about the show. I've been really. What do you need it. Three four they say shots. You're done. I couldn't see my food all the time i love. I love you can have jake floor is fda. You'd better watch out. Buster had johnson johnson. I've had pfizer. Nfl dern each one. It's pretty experiment house stable like this. I'm going to do it. Said the pizza reviews or crooked views. The vaccine review. I'm gonna go to different places and get yeah. Hey we're here in walpole at the urgent care all right just seven point. You know the rules. One shot rules. Yeah why imagine the horrors in the radio business. Who will line up for this. There's there's no doubt about for thousand bucks a month. Yes yup jesus sneeze justin. Let's let's also clearly we're at the point. Where if you wanted to get the vaccine. You've gotten the vaccine. No-one knew is giving the back seat at this point. I never not based on the edge. But i still might get it. Okay but like will you change your mind. If you're justin talking about the actually from but i think here in the great big minority i think people have i think in like i think there is. We were talking about the sturgis. People and people tend to minimize their line of thinking by most people have given a lot of thought Like i did. And i said i'm going to get it And i do think equally those who choose not to have given it a lot of thought as a lot of people who are like them. whatever they're som- as always. But i think people pajamas fucking throats for a year. Now i think people you think we're kinda there it'd be great. Justin started promoting it and then there were people like what a vaccine for. What what are we. We're just says such a clear way that everyone gets it. God all right. No yes no. We'll go up first. Thing you said was what's up. That's a perspective. I've never thought about it. You know just jammed in your arm and patriot place. My grandma got. She's pretty good. Whatever i got no ideas about it but just got good ideas. I've to ideas get the shot or don't those are two big ideas. We'll see what big ideas he has for this thing. We'll say mentioned as i was listening. Friday you talked about the hbo max thing how they're getting into podcast. Yes it was. It was a moment where i had to like. Make sure i was awake because i was watching you guys on youtube nolansville. Who'd watch a partner. No that's not what i'm talking about. Why though the better one. I think i missed because somebody says something. At the time was they said reminiscent. You'll make an mad dog thing with daredevil. Whereas they were like dave batman one there was a pause and call me chris cillizza fiction. There's a real I mean wh what are you saying that you thought you'd be watching this podcast. I mean it's possibly could watch like that. Ronan farrow things. I you have it. They didn't describe that that's what it was so point was. What is there going to be like a media player on the tv. And you're just gonna see like the play button. Fast forward and rewind and people are gonna watch it on. They didn't describe it so that was my point. I got audio. Why are watching. If it's the ronan farrow thing sure get it. That makes sense right. I would assume there'd be a video component. Yeah they just did say okay. Well that's good. Well neither one of you particularly there. So that's progress. I'm david going to group. Therapy good Three cheese here this week. okay three she is the industry leader in delta eight t h thc product product or formulated by biochemist in made usa usa. Grund lee greenwood's favourite hap-. I think if he does. 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This has gone from my perspective. Yes you sound like shit to me. But there's nothing i can do about your stupidity. Are you getting mike enough. I mean you sound fine. It's not as good as if you were here. Obviously but as far as any other zoom what do you mean my stupidity because you won't bring a laptop. You won't sign. It's not stupid. I don't care Okay well that's stupid. Did not care wa stupid. I if you could you could barely care and just bring a laptop and make yourself sound drive near top with all my god. The laptop just huge thick things in the like frigging textbook. Holy shit it's pain. The acid travel with me. I'm trying to minimally travel here if we showed you like an apple commercial from nineteen ninety two the different colors in my car. Dave guys guys are trucks not use laptops bulls again. I don't know if they had people either though. I don't know what's this newfangled stuff. You're flip phones final. Exactly i gotta go get a meeting at the elks club for lunch here. I got think the do truck sorry. Take some calls Not loaded up yet just up eatery tweet it Yeah when it comes to sounds fine. It's sounds the best it's going to be. You know get used to it. It's really it's only. The live factor. People were calling me a little bitch. You sound bad live. But i think on the podcast. You're gonna sound better than what they're hearing right now. That's the goal calling you mitch. Podcast doesn't sound good. No he's just making that up so they were saying. I was being dramatic about the sound quality. Are i'm not. I'm not new mo- most podcasters. Don't laugh at the idea of them. Having bad audio on their podcasts audio. Miriam your boss is say he doesn't care no get. It stood up. Because i want you to care. Yeah i want. That's not going to help me help you like. Do you know you're working like you must know by now. I don't care about it it's straight. It's just a strange back. Yeah okay okay. He's a strange time when he's a strange guy. Let's see let's see if four one. Are you ready for one. Hey kirk i have a question for you about the. You're talking about last week's yep go ahead. Did you say you cut out shifts. No i said minimal mill bake lays minimal not as much as before. Okay say each a chance. Jerry really thought this might take off and be like mitch. Albom book for him. It just didn't have the momentum e every year each has a force at hashtag the chips and it just doesn't it did not happen. I know in his mind. I've got to write a book about. This was great. Awesome guy But like the chips thing. I think jerry thought was going to be this thing. Jerry thought it'd be like lecturing around the country giving ted talks about it but it was like there's not much more they're like we get what you're saying it doesn't mean bigger meaning but like we're good i i got. I'd go to ted talk. You don't get one ticket sold. Fuck you do that. Speaking the which by the way this is update and up. I saw the quantum week is doing a live show. Got mike really. Yeah you see that. Just no i did not. I believe they're doing a show in. I saw a twitter. This weekend in dover new hampshire november I think there's i think that we should go. I think the gang supporter the kwun geeks getting together. Yeah it's very exciting. They didn't bring the he didn't bring this up on thursday. Yeah why wouldn't you bring up on thursday. Maybe show who either say. I guess if i have to go to the live event than i technically have to listen to the podcasts. At that point which is you do realize how it works dave. it's like it's a continuous thing. It just talk about movies. Every week. 401 let's go the their dismissive nurse who me you then. Justin the dave dave justin. What's up buddy kirk. Well what are your thoughts on the death of relevant court back. oh. I know market posted. She's nightclub boss. Charles robinson a couple of weeks ago harry anderson a few years ago markie post. Yeah i love markie post cheese. Choose what seventy deputy data cancer. She'd been sick for a while right. Yeah three years beat off. It's funny because i just urinated tom. If you're on the toilet right there. Yeah yup did a quick pop and squat. There is who who cracked well. I didn't. I didn't do a lot of markie post. There was a penthouse form letter with heather. Locklear that my buddy. Jim and i would pass back and forth Over the years. it was a good solid penthouse formed. Butterfly heather locklear. But i remember in that letter like in the pedals form letters. The guys i remember at one point the guys you know like i didn't have much. I was a particularly well. Dowd man myself. I was a mere ten inches. I was like i was like an aide rows like. She's marty post was was. She's also some bomb mary to forget she was cameron diaz his mom and recruiting night quantum that okay nokia simpson's maybe save your jokes. She'll be annoying us at the wilbur cinem- even through this terrible connection. I can i can. I can hear the guy dripping down face. He promoted that call last night because he tweeted out. Who's gonna call about. I think that wasn't trending. I can't jennifer love you. It's my number one by the way. Nobody my buddy mcqueen who had a big crush jenner flip. Hewitt met her while he was working with talk show. Is he working out knowing when she was there in the hunger. And he's like he's like. I think i could ask her out as dead. Which shows that cocktail. I forget i loved it. Can't watch tv without getting. I didn't know miss such a sexual guy. The guy's wrecked every time the televisions. Oh no not anymore. Just back in the day was okay jessica simpson for me at six one. Four kirk our today. I'm fine thank you good I had a question about do golf clubs. I know you're you don't talk about Your clubs much or are you a year junkie or not. I am not my brother. Ryan is in my brother. Adam is two summers said they send me at rhino semi. This these podcast. They talk about him like i. Don't i don't care. I barely clean them. I i'm i'm an old school guy. Mike walter. Hey i can use the hickory. Shaft doesn't matter to me you know as long as as long as it's always. The driver feels comfortable my hands. I'm good i can play. Is that nuisance. You've been a truck guy you're also kind of a tough guy. Now i mean golf is kind of a you know kind of a sport for rich people so it's not really my thing you don't get the new you get a new driver every couple of years. Is that a big buck. Every year every year if i usually get the new tailor-made if i like it this year i didn't you don't have to. I don't know. I didn't feel five days a gearhead multiple choice. I'm thinking if i am a patriot. Subscriber now hey try dot com slash by mike appreciate 508. Nope all right. Except to seven or eight kirk. Hillary everybody what's up they Getting some old stern show five justin on the live like now like in their owning chatting away. Like the I'm thinking justin can fulltime job by Jokes like benji. And yeah. i mean it's crazy. I don't mike is brought this up to you. Know it like it is funny like start writing jokes for the whole time. We should get jackie. Marlene on dave. I'd like that when you like to have mike. That'd be great. Yeah let's do that. i'm on it. It is so weird because it's a show where like it changed to the point where you realize. Oh howard stern's not going to save the same things that he used to like certain places where he would make a joke that changed because the guy writing them is gone. It's so weird. Strange bizarre an army came in. That didn't write jokes so they're kind of like but then it's loud role show that almost took over for you know right but yeah it'd be weird like first of all obviously be terrible jokes but it'd be weird of justice like texting me jokes during the show to do that for one show slapping him up on the glass. The who actually. I just actually do. Text me jokes during the show. Okay we're gonna do mostly about mike. Mike's mike's kind kinda like you know. So the arab dave just text and i'll just say them about like by the time i get the text about fifteen seconds after was relevant to the seem like fun work. I still loaded up. Still load up six seven. Do you have any update on season. Wanting to kevin miller ever caught it. Got postponed is supposed to be there. in the week or two. I've heard that he has some people told me he's already agreed to to a prison sentence I don't know that yet. i'm still trying to figure that out as well But i will keep you updated. We know anything will probably jumping into a show when that soon as finalized. Do you think deal. I think so. I mean that's what people told me. Somebody told me he didn't some still trying to figure that out to do you. Need to edit that podcast. Did he ever pop back. Up on social media kevin milly. Yeah i just saw girlfriend single again. Oh good i'll phone that again. Yeah look out ladies. he's four one three kirk. Did you read that story about the first ever been an athlete. I ever what. I'm sorry the kirkman. At hand they athlete. The guy in the young kid who's Was an article. Didn't see the article who is this. What last week. A seventeen year old called and asked if he could be the kirkman hand athlete. And you said yes. I do not remember that. Okay bombs all the time. Oh yeah yeah. Oh yes yeah. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. yeah yeah they. They looked into his path Tweet apparently kicked off probably problematic. He yeah Lot of Threatening to khurana. So therefore the first-ever kirkman and athlete is ooh whole. Yeah maybe is this guy. Yes this is folk lulu you see what is new loophole loophole in your career. Any matches lately anything going on. You know what there's a couple local. I'm still trying to get booked. I think i need star power science. I might need blind. Mike the show with his his Seeing i stick and book in braille i would make a wacky well in the eighties beyond. Yeah in the eighties. I grew up. There was always a buxom gala. Bring up for the ring anymore. Be showing too much skin. that's true. Goodbye sorry yeah actually a fan of the show who you hate actually had a good idea where they said that we we ask who would want to ask fan who would wanna fight it rough and rowdy and then like mike and i choose one and you choose one of who gets the flight and anything. That's a decent idea. What do you mean so like. Obviously we can't just like pick steve from providence to fight rough around so we need a group of fans that come together and say they're willing to fight and we take that list and we each pick somebody who's going to go up against each other than accents assume barstool allow that they'll be on board. Why what's wrong with that. I don't think they would do it. Why would they why. Why are you folks and shit like that. What do you mean. It was just a random idea to this more. You don't think that's moderately funny. Fans represented at rough and rowdy. What parts funny. I don't know if it's funny but are represented you just you. Just ask me why what he was wrong. I was around question. It is the wrong question. Yeah okay but you get what you say. Well okay question. Well you wouldn't know. Be present at rough and rowdy. I guess that's the point. I don't care about rougher. I'm happy to the companies. Do i always support it. but i don't care in the fan representation. There was a ringo once. I'm gonna fan response right. Yes who came up with this idea. mayo came up with that idea. Jesus christ fucking fucking kill yourself you just still me a favor. Blow your fucking. She's jones was. That is adam. Pacman jones fan. I thought he was a doesn't matter. Anyway understand what are you. Talk text to them. Just what are you doing well. That's right he's doing your against my boggling against who. Oh from braintree right. Yeah yes there you go there you go dave. I hope you live a lawn. Thank you took apologize apologist. No i apologize rib along three three. It's the wave away from me. Hello kirk following that segment. It's just going to give you more ammo for the kill yourself. dave. I'm gonna give you a date. Let's based on analytical data that i've compiled because i'm a psychopathic ten. Tim akin on september. Six dave is scheduled to have said more words on the kirkman and show. Steve did in the narrative of his time. Right now. i would like to see that. There's no did go to fuck fuck and give it to you. Castle shut the fuck up. Averages average twenty five thousand eight hundred words a show on a two hour show kirk averages twenty three thousand one hundred and steve on a two hour average show averaged thirteen thousand. Four hundred eighty. So he's fucking doubling steve talking and he's talking more than you two thousand more words than you show nine ele- sociopath shot to jesus but they've packed so many words into such a short period of time to be the problem you know. Take some fifty words. We average person literally pan. I saw something on twitter. This weekend is telling people he's gonna be out of here by the saw. That really is that true. That was a facebook post randomly. Yes facebook yeah. I don't know what what they're talking about shit but it didn't bother me. I'm not sensitive about that stuff that didn't temps cool laid back replying. Fifty five will have perspective on this sensitive issue from last weekend wasn't sensitive. I was interested in. I'm not sensitive about them. Interested in the to be fair to dave anytime you say that to someone and they're like no. I'm not see. I one of my doing here. What are we have select. That's it lost one i go selectquote dot com. Okay within miniature free quote. Before last year something's were low on our to do list But now of course you know like everything else you gotta get things in line with. Its life insurance You know Give you peace of mind knowing your family take care of mortgage be paid off. Kids go to college. Excetera nine off weight Want just anyone for this. You need a pro so what you do I recommend selectquote. They've been around for thirty five years number. Two million families have trusted them They comparison shop highly rated insurance companies prudential banner life mutual of omaha and others to partially find you the company with the best rates. 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I mean i i would just say to me. I'd be more peak value than creek career value. Look at you at your best. I'm nevada wouldn't count me. I i would count nirvana but i do. Think it's short think You know that there. You could count that. Certainly i mean if you wanted so you know looking this up and i was thinking about the the beach. Boys want to count. Certain impact narrow for shaw out by longevity longevity. Not i think like one or two number one. Hit hit what thank our. What about the eagle. All the eagles for sure the eagles would be in there for sure. Yup and i think the only other one. I can really think of might be protest. Yeah i'm just not a big fan of this but yeah obviously they have a they have a spot money to be. But i do wanna ask one of the things that you mentioned faith about you know hit songs and you you not being like popular hearing them a lot and i feel. It's your future penalize those songs musician because they're so popular radio. Well penalize them under saying like you know like i. I love the eagles. But like i don't want to your hotel california if i ever again my life to be aggregated meal yes it's a it's a product is a product of greatness on fort in a weird way. You know i still. I still obviously exit my room now heading to the car. I'm still not done here. Had about enough of this. Okay go ahead. I will take the stairs. You think i could stay. The guy would be able to all the fifth floor with a work on the elevator day but the south even worse on the elevator Let's give why we give it a shot. Get crazy two three nine by building a house. Yes she were jesse word. Okay you empower william. Hey kirk My down in florida. I'm how're you out. Anything to newer. You're fighting about it or you don't live in different. Yeah i i just don't feel like those things can never work. You know i limited coffers says the movie. I'm on the four nine. I thought it was very funny. I heard that david chase say something about how he's like Yeah as far as like timeline. Goes i think it might throw people off that. The phones are different. And i was like. Yeah not the the racism in that time or anything the phone. I just feel like it's stopping stunt. It feels like stunt casting though. I've concerned you know having a stroke with the egg salad in his mouth. One of the nastiest themes ever filmed ability. Boroughs karma karma karma. The froude stink our draft. Mind car mine was the guy that vigo mortenson played in Green book was was that guy. The actor played karma. Oh really that's right. I suspect internet connection starting down here actually started to sound better though. You can't hear me anymore. we got it now. You're going in now. Because i think you're losing the fi i got. I got four bars. You're rockin sound good. i'll just keep going. I'm going to get in. the car. goes along as we want to see this truck. The truck new show as well buckling guys. Who got i got a long drives. Joy mc joins us take us with you on the case. Sure why not. Oh it's a beautiful. We'll steamy day here by the cedar river. But it's beautiful day. let me see otherwise to. I have to flip this around. Or what fucking now to do that. Can you see i can. We can see all the trees look at that. Yeah you see the dirt's dirt for off roading man's vehicle or does that silverado. What is that. i can't it's an ass kicker. It's it's it's sort of this off road off road vehicle. That feel weird. I feel like i'm driving. I always feel so. I missed so there. We go house a good shot to go. He's in the car. What was always that you're back. We'll take one more get. I gotta go five four zero. Oh hello garrett austin our you wanna call update you guys kind of situation where i'm at Culinary just not. He's not working there some about. I can't quite put my finger on it but he's not he's not working out for me. I miss i miss big I try to get into a digital platform But it's really hard to penetrate that type of thing without a big. You know like a podcast gotcha We'll fuck i tried. That's bad i we dangerous. Is it me. Do i sound better in this truck. Oh you definitely sound better in the truck. Yup i'll show the truck ones. Al care sounds good. It has been a little choppier times though anything else. Boys you wanna get to or no nope i think. That's it also patron dot com slash mike. If you would've asked about it to stay on this fucking thing at the end of the show is a recent Yes for just for a couple of minutes. When i stopped yeah. It's got to uploading give all right. Well we'll talk to you once. This was pretty reprehensible. I i don't know how it can be anybody's ideas humor.

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How's Retirement?

The Kirk Minihane Show

2:00:02 hr | Last month

How's Retirement?

"Okay let me see the start the show by doing something. I don't want to do hurts me physically to do this. I don't wanna do it so just people hanging after. Thank mike erie. Sometimes i forget how many people listening to this podcast. And then when somebody does something so incredibly stupid mike during the daylight. Oh you're out of your mind. The audio exonerates. The it doesn't the can you not. I mean i know you interrupting because male monologue must mean jeez. I know it takes fucking ninety minutes stuck in a chair. But jesus winding on your own patriot dot com slash by mega-bombs fans are back in your head god so my sources told you find the audio i do. We want anybody just terrible again today. I disagree i'm back. Maybe can you. Can you just say that. We have a seat sports. Don't shame me i cough. Why you're very sensitively. Mike some extra sensitive. Oh here we go. This is this has been very play like that immediately. Jump in like well. What does that exotic let it. Play out when you left anything play out. No what is wrong with you lately. She you're out of your mind. I'm you keep saying use start talking and your real voice and getting like into kirkman sanderson left my voice stay the same the whole time. No no you see the same it. Mike millward no-one one. No one agrees is the fastest dale as he should be in goal for the who was right away. Okay go around the room. Dave what do you think. I think i heard the audio and i heard mike's point today. I think dale was done justin. No i think as soon as you hear the wu am. I say people are listening like i had people from both stations multiple. Reach out to friends friends. Who i've talked to like forever. I could not believe. I have one one person from me. I will not. You cannot beat this guy's name sure there's just this we can horse around all you want knock. What did he. What are these slur to you. I was thinking to gary carter. Great hall of fame catcher. And he said he said three more questions easily easily. That's wild call us justice phone. Call dale again. We'll see we'll see if he was done or not reasonable youth. You said you knew it. Was you immediately no. I don't think he did it all until you did that. Thing no no question it. It flexes are so quick. We hits the hang up button mike. You didn't fucking up a taking gift to take the phone from your ear. Hit the hang. It doesn't happen that fast and he would. Of course it does it does that. He knew that was me. That quickly new was going to say that. That's crazy. call from joe. We'll get the answer the question that would mean he was so ready. Some suspicion can henderson's calling from. That's what i'm saying. You're ignoring the idea. That ken kennison is now angry with him. Of course that's important. It's not my show. So then i apologize part of the show. But but i shouldn't have done was my point. But i don't believe you hung up because we definitely did comedy at had a little bit of every those is there has to be equal. Who no no not all he does. A whole new thing hangs up that have a little bit of every there has to be equal. Who long pau no way. I'm changing my mind taking. No you're wrong just take. I don't believe him. I'm like the yankees lately taken al. You're damn right. We're catching up. Maybe right now. We're i think we're a game. And a half the wildcard. The second spot jared who's willing to admit the socks are having a tough time five. If he said he's whip cream is asking. He's not like putting food in his ass. We know that i'm not sure. Sure five games out of the wild card right. I mean uh the Behind the red sox right now we're rallying five games beyond be the a really good orioles team last night by the way. Do you believe jared's propaganda that he would be at your funeral over now. But he's but he's he's trying to appease you know he's he's got a bad because you get them in the fans. Got the calm. Poppy fans these. Which debuts today i believe yup at noon i will re tweet. Oh i'm oh no but my listen to check it out the first one. Nope them do it for i ten minutes here. We got over here. How did you did you know that there was me and mike the other day like right away or till mike made the sound on the show. Took me a minute okay. I was just trying to figure it out. The joe was me from the start. Had an idea then we. How much longer do you have. Played around for. That was the end. Oh jeez house retired. Thank you thank you very much you would say was my exonerated david I ruined against now that my ruined awfully play a couple of questions but he was done. He admits he's on my side. I the clint eastwood a couple of minutes and took my time from the start. That had the man's stink over answers the phone every time. Hang up. i don't understand one thing. The one criticism. I would not accept them. Say right now. second. Mike i'm sorry. I wish prediction right now. He he wants in this world or you think so yes. it was just. He was sitting on your day. One to ten. How edgy was he there twelve. Ooh right there ya come on. That was a little edge. That was that was dale. right there. yeah call me edgy. Reggie was the wrong word you know it and then you what's the word you use is the wrong word the mall cable. You know you know. I don't mean edgy. Like kirkman for say the word. Like what am i supposed to thank you and i think he was ever edgy for sports. Talk radio he and jerry's gets he and anyone get into fights about sports like they would fight like any would want Whoever who's the kid. Mac jones as name mack jones in in dale would want and they argue about that right and then it was. You know my favorite tanguay stories that they've disagreed on braiding. True left didn't talk to him. But don't you think back then. That was not necessarily normal for sports. Talk radio he's leaving the student now. The big show is on like after it. I mean they argue that. Mike and the mad dog gone. They argue that. It wasn't like i don't know. Aj lake tanguay leaving. Jerry was edgy. You guys calling him. A pedophile was edgy. Edgy to me is like you know it's you trying you either. Are you want like going after the red sox and then the position getting suspended for a stupid i suppose. It qualifies under edgy radio. I guess she's been over you. I use it to coney island ice. It's delivering ice cream. Is that's edgy stuff. That's very true. Well considering who you're thrown out there that's very. I like the right there though. I'll talk to this guy for a second. Yeah took me what about you. I news you. The whole retirement's a reasonable. I'm telling you they've got that vibe to i think he's to be sitting in that seat at some point being mike cedar my seat producing the. That'd be great. No he's been conan's out for a day. Screw you cut great. What was worse. Mike interrupting or me with ryan whitney. Mike was worse because like this was like for me. Everyone knew you would do thousands. I had something going right. Just stepped all over. Not according to not. According to the man himself true gets vindicates. admit it. but that's the one thing i will say is that people were like well now. Dale will never answer again. It's like you've called them and said fuck you eighty times now. I think. I think you're alright. There's always daily answers the phone. The wilbur solid smiley concerned. What do you want. A thousand people screaming. We'll need a new phone number free. Maybe there you never know you may be i. I do wilbur meeting start. When does that happen. Don't worry about it well. Justin put an article on your desk to bring up kind of the wilbur. If it's in jeopardy. Where'd you put it on his desk. Oh you put the garth brooks article cancelling gillette concert. He might be canceling. I thought you put their care. Postpone them sure. I don't doubt that why you think you're going to be the you'll be the wilbur. Well you said are once you said. Are you ready for the wilbur. To watch okay. Kick it the lunches market. Who were there dummy. Got another one point. Oh yeah twice a week now. Days producing show. I think the wilbur for doing it. I would assume sumer are doing it. I god. I know steve fucking. He's lost his mind on twitter and he's back his nap. He's gone back to full paying car payments bitcoin. And what's the what's the woman Is cora corey bush. Yeah sorry. I'm going after her. What's the name of david the previous job. I'm sure to that. Oh yeah but yeah. He's he seems like he's crazed. Now steve's krone back. I don't know i yeah good. That is funny. You say that because there was a text our is right now. I talked to him the other day. Oh he talked to. Yeah yeah and he seemed loses a goose he was ready. Yeah i think is a good. I think he's feeling good. Yeah what he's he's about to hit the road that's be told me i was at right. Said if you hit the road. He said they're still bouncing around main about the road soon. Last time i talked to him he was in maine he had some do they had. I think it's this week. They're doing a memorial for his grandfather. All right i think right late. No i know but i think with cova. I'd like make so. I think he's doing that now. i think he's i think right. I think he's taking off if they waited to bury him till now. You alluded to something on the show with him. I didn't for this week. Yeah oh if we'd done the other thing. Yeah we do some with him by the guy. That was doing that with you guys. Would you think my idea the text you night. I have no for soko along those lines in along the lines of what we've been talking about you look. I don't know. Obviously i'm overwhelmed. Let me see water replying. Not even like this morning was the first i got a. Why was nah ona. yeah To pick different. Yeah i mean. If i don't answer i would say just as assume not over one but i appreciate. I opened all of these. I appreciate the feedback. Why would you like me to actually more. no. I don't know. Just i'm just no no. It's fine what exciting. I'm trying to get my but what i knew. It was a hard no you wouldn't. You would say hard like he would say. Nah i did know you saw was good. Good idea you always said. Steve texted every day. But like maybe once you take demon protector to every day i see every day. That is weird. That's why i gotta get used to that. I don't love that what that we don't text every day. I'm sorry no no. No no no not because of that. a full time job and it is weird to like not see the person you work with on a tuesday and thursday just weird. You don't think yes. I'm just trying to phones. Oh thank you texas dave. I loved him very. I mean you want emojis. Do one chunk jungle was a jungle cruise mode whether it be great if day. I mean i don't play. I've dumped on dale was like i'm retired. Now folds fucker out a little bit like just plus you pal or even just like. She's go a long way right. Because i actually really did for a long time like a lot. I hold them. Your radio honestly dislike. Dale people will be surprised to hear that right. i just dislike. He was so quiet while she was happening. In like. you know but that's and it was the meeting right. Is that what killed it. That was really like really really kind of just very very very very quiet reason but actually he's underneath all nice guy but he doesn't own. How much of a dorky is. That's the process dork. Like if i were dork and someone like you were making fun of me. I'd almost think of it. Not as a sign of respect. You're you're saying. I don't know i think it's a night like other collagen. If he was a he was a geek. Dave was on the right end of the school year. Dorks over there turning upside down. Well that's not. He's just like my issue with day was always like he would mother fuck worse than anybody during breaks than the red light will go on. It'd be like well trying to dave saying though he's not very playful like he's not himself on our really very is in a way sort of. Yeah i mean you could tell us a stick in the mud. You can tell. He's like angry bitter and stuff. But i mean the most miserable son of a bitch i've ever met. That's so fake. yeah exact. yeah. I remember he. Joey wants on the air and he said that. Joey doesn't matter what your name is. I just thought of that. He said the rock thing. You're talking about a bunch. Wait the second. Also start the show by talking about the audio. Yes really quick though. What's doing add to the doubting just as a full review of you ever want to go to it. He bought a ticket for what jungle chunk occurs. Oh you did. You went to the theater to see it. Yeah where'd you go. Patriots place patriot. Place up solo. Yes went by myself okay. And he treats. Chemistry was over. He no popcorn nope it was eleven forty in the morning. Okay so before you. how how. Many people are in the theater. Five five all right so go ahead let me hear it was very underwhelming entire time thinking how are they going to make a sequel out of this because there is no open. Ns at the end of the tweet to the rock about. I did not know okay. Review even the theater much since late in the past few months. That's the first time in in the theater since i saw. Sonic the hedgehog turn off. I think my nine year old son to see that just by myself. Would you go with my mom mom. Your mom took her as well. Save your jesus christ six dollar tickets. Now it's matinee. That's a good. That's a good deal to great. If you just as harry just playing with chick-fil-a why did you bring your lady friend of this. Because i didn't want to you mike breath. I'm sorry. I thought it was funny. When he said he watched the whole time looking for a sequel. And he's like there's no fucking it doesn't make enough money jammed in but they're just meeting about but you said like the ship wrecked new some clues spoil it for me is very excited but john. I hate his mike. What are you doing. Just doesn't look down on you now. Oh always has been. You'll never admit it to me. But he has been since day one. Yeah that's about yours you didn't you bring him in at so right jake knows. Steve did really down mike now. Who brought you in steverman. Steve who's my inter-. I molded him into the man he is now under your actual title. Who knows more than steve. I think he was pretty brutal on mike with the interrupting on his. What do we call it. The look ahead. show this guy. Yeah oh really. Yeah i i hear some people saying that like you know michael and did it because he thinks dale was off the hook but like if you watch the video mike starts doing it. Even before kirk even asks the like the l. even gets done twelve on hold on thousand percent right. I could see mike and this is before he asked the question. I was talking about this yesterday. I didn't both and after you could hold on. Let be so central sensitive city. Correct is my. I wish. I wish i had a talk back button. We don't have one. Because i would have been like talking today because i could see mike wanda get involved. I should've said just kill his mike or just tell me about your show on my own. No no no. I don't my saab kind of starting to go in a little bit like you're putting your hand in house. Oh god he's gonna say something did any fucking holding up to ruin i. Also this is where the kirkman hand with. But i don't think so. Because i said he's he's trying. It's wasn't was from lack of well the other problem. I have backed away instead of garden. Because the only thing i thought is that he wouldn't really hear it or know what it was. That was my god. I'm sorry justin continue. I'm hoping that that. Mike learns from nine. He doesn't doesn't do that again. I agree with that. Yes yes. I'm glad just in hopes that i won't make ghost. Sounds on the next phone call. Just that's just a very sensitive so you can have. This was like he's like justin right here. Who's and you say this right after this. I said that was a bad move and you said on the show them no was on. I'm sorry monday. Show when i said i know that voice like she's like my bad you fucked up in. Calhoun said i did say that. I but i don't think he hung up. Because is my densely. You've changed your mind on that day. Yeah yeah dallas on my side on demand. I've always been lockstep with so in two thousand fourteen. I called erin. Andrews bitch mi mislead and after that happened. I said i'm never going to call a woman on the air. A bitch ever again. And under and the is packed with myself under any circumstances ever ever ever And i did on monday. Show so i said the day like if i know steve during the pre youtube just take it out so we just took it out in a context. Which by the way is. I would like if anybody wants to ask these questions like. I'll stand by them. They're factual statements. But like i just don't want that thing to lead it just. It's not worth the rest of the shit so not. There's no major thing too. But i was a packed i made on my own. I broke it It's somebody who does is work with merchants in the past and there people who i understand don't because of the way we use this person a couple years ago it seemed like they were anti merchant but they're not but these people on twitter who mess around with her Don't care about that and that's okay too. i'm not gonna they. They don't know enough so it's nothing it worked up no big deal. I don't think it was just you know i was like i. You know it's it's human being is not worth. These guys had a bunch of people. I didn't realize a bunch of people are asking about. Because when i saw your tweet like we'll address this on one couldn't seem like that. Well people people were watching live and it just shut them and we're not going to be a show like i'm not would never show where i don't address something like that doesn't make it doesn't like i can't kill other shows and then come on and be like. Oh no that's just you're ruled by the way right. Can i call a woman a bitch. Oh no no. No there's wyoming. Why why did you say she sucks. I guess you're gonna call shit talk. You don't like not the worst for i understand that. Actually do but if if sh that person is not worth somebody grabbing that audio and turning it into something. Sure that's all it is. That's literally why it's just that's what it is. And and they and they still may do that and let them do it and go for it. But i would say you know in. There are people thinks frustrating. You know things gathering my skin once in a while And these people who pal around with these murchison powell's drives me nuts but they elected to it and that's okay like i'll tell you what annoy me. I'll just give you an example. And this is again. As i said today dave last week while talk with ip vanish. I i p vanish is a virtual private network a vpn for short. The visa virtual the piece for private the end is for networking our that effort in fun. Vpn f the bill do that or no. It might take a lot of work out. Send it to him. It's branding wise. It doesn't seem smart virtual fund private network of espn. That i like a little more. Then another f- at the end for fund again. Okay you think i works. It sounds better. Snappier that works. I talked to you talk. That's all i wanna do. Rotate never interrupted. Thank you You can use a vpn computer tablet phone even things like our fire stick when you're streaming media use a vpn. All your dad is protected. 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There was a train collision in boston the other night on friday night and his gakkai tweets out chiesa. Anybody check on kirkman kinda like for me. I'm like that's me like a joke around about it. But i know exactly what you mean. I do the same thing where mike. They're trying to be funny right. I'm mike well. This is a real thing like in you know but again like i can't i'm a i'm a human being like he looks at me is trying to oppress these other assholes and that's okay but that was kind like that was like fuck that guy but i don't know if that's on you. Oh i think it is. I don't i don't really agrees because he's pled joke around about like it's not it's the i don't think that's that's that's my thing i think i suppose but it is he. If anyone that didn't know you that well said that to you still gonna jump. The fuck is that so. I don't think it's weird to react that way. I guess the community we've built though like he's not he's not committing an atrocity. No he's not doing anything crazy. Bad fuck him but yeah. I think it's a naturally what the fuck is. Yeah you gotta get over that. That's what i'm saying. I'm not not over. I know his buddy yours. Dave body i mean. You invite that closeness like he thought he was making you laugh. He thought he was making. I'll laugh to get sick again even square. I'm a. I'm going to raise a bunch of my to get his kids. He doesn't think it's reverse like he. Don't no kidding. Obviously he's a nice guy. I i hope as kids doing well who knows she is. She always always getting updates only raised a hundred thousand fucking dollars for the guy. What happened to that kid. A bumper sticker or something. But no but like you know. It's like i look at that. Like i'm coming asshole to so my but again it's not something i get worked up about. They see it just being is what we do not like fuck that guy with. I've never helped anyone so with me. Sure people that people that like. Hey man great very nice to me in the end and then i see them on twitter at this fat. Fuck when you're talking to me. I have a whole community of people who just make their talking about how much they hate me. I'm okay with that. That doesn't even bother me. But this stuff i'm calling you know. Isn't that funny i. We're there's funding. I guess is a different argument. I don't know. I saw. And i was like fuck him but but but again. That's that's not his probably just trying to be funny glib in whatever they get there's it's i wonder i think like harry will be much better at this that generation. Yeah because we like grew up. We didn't grow up with a real. I kind of sort of did but they're much nicer though younger kids. Now they've been so trained not to bully then. We had a seventeen year old. Said he's dropping f-bomb truce i see more of like acceptance tolerance and like you know but i think the other night i was at dinner with and harry and i drop so many homophobic homophobic slurs was like crazy. Wait did you. i mean no. I've never in fact ever said slur in my entire life through wild. I really funny. So i read that right after i did. The thing took the calling this person that cut the other day. And i thought i read that statement i was like this statement demon has is like the death of society yearly. Like am i guy. Pat tweeted out like we're now in the in the business of cancelling people for saying they don't say things anymore right admitting their faults. Yeah i mean he's lying now of course. Become a problem where it's like. Well i'll see if i had the actual statement here It's wild when you go back and read it. I was like oh. Maybe they misquoted him. And then i found it on the show today was like it's wild. It's just it's just a weird. Oh here it is He never used the word in this matt. Damon said he is never used. The word is personal life and does not use slurs of any kind. So matt damon. Who's fifty roof in this guy from this area for a while is never use that word as tire life. That is impossible. Let's say let's say that someone like that is out there. Matt damon is not that person because he originally story is that they were sitting around the dinner table. She gets me to do. I'll come on sit in movies. Who gives her fit right now. It's like now you're in the business of people writing things for you and you spin things as opposed to just letting a float away right it would by the time is two movies from now. Come out no one's gonna. He wasn't going to lose any work. There's some people that would have but he wasn't gonna. He's not cancelled unless he's unless he turns out to be like kevin spacey or something. But i mean like saying saying you. Don't you slurs anymore is not. I like a mel gibson level rant. Sure with that word. I'll give some works. Yeah like you go away. It's all timing but it's just it's insane insane. it's now i was defending malik. Fuck this guy like this is what he's now he's just gonna lie about the shit. When you were talking about the youtube thing. I was going to say it would have been great test to see how phony the three of us are. If you came in and roy guess what happened to the youtube show just came down. That's i mean that's another a show. It's just like i did that. I don't want to say it ever like it's got nothing to do with whether i think this person's an asshole or counter with but i don't like it. It's packed with myself. But yeah fight said. You guys like kay. We're not mentioning it like. It's not gonna do that. No but i mean. I have worked places where you would do that. But that fucking honesty me would be. The i've ever heard you say what's crazy your life Oils go online You to talk about e is new hire. What else will talk about me a minute. Let's see did you see your friend. Joey dicara cancel. doug gordon. I did my buddy gordon needs. He's a fucking asshole. say the opposite we. Now we had we had family. We had a bit spring training one year. On the why we would do is terrible meteorology table which sucked a. Hey that dino loved it and he'd be like you know who's going to surprise us this year you know soot and he did wrote something. I criticize them in. Like he's like you know. I've been writing for thirty years. Like aren't by whatever well. He was the historian for the red sox. I said to us like you. Just red sox lack you. And of course you want working for the red sox after that then retirees hosting joey de caro are fringed carl for a presume conversation right yes. I was looking forward to this. Because i've listened to a lot of joy car interviews with that stuff. I think gordon's was going to bring something different. I really do with this lawsuit about many ideas. And they wanna cancelling it. And i i will say on my end. My hands are legally clean. I did not tell them you by the people wanted if people wanna interact in pursuit call. That's up to them. I didn't tell them by the. I'm happy to turn over my phone. Nothing i i don't know whether or not you guys have something planned. My only in reference. To what i was getting tagged and a bunch of them so i was like well. Maybe the sauce. I had nothing. They saw enough internet. Of course. this'll be like. Hey we're pushing it back late in the fall and then it just people forget about it. We'll turn into those them saying oh. They bullied us into moving stuff. Where do you live around just. Somebody tweeted out the other day or in the dm said like all the sign ups that were merck can eoghan. They're like no. We're not doing that. Which you know. I mean typical red sox hosting fucking stupid thing. I think would have been fun to see a female writers perspective. Fun things i mean. Just you know gordon to guarantee them reader page of that book. You just going to sit there. Just do his crap order. I like the idea that someone like julie. Dicara has a fresh take lake. It's that's what she in. Her book is literally what everyone's been saying for five years now about it's also say must have to seriously because like if you're picking that book i mean you must have nothing to do nothing to do nothing. They should get a guy who's like some fucking nut news against jewish dicara saying i don't want these broads in sports like that would be interesting but you think what's it called the fenway. What the fenway writer series or something along those lines gore needs sitting there. He's not even the historian anymore. I don't think he is. I don't know the red sox person historic donate time now. I think he even think he has the prestige of the red sox story loser humorless to just like the rest of rob heydon him by the way. Oh really gordon's rob. Bradford hates you just just the case that you make them. Oh yes so Yeah so yesterday my old station. Maybe big announcement a game changer. When i say i'm wrong i'm wrong jerry. Orbach at the end the dirty dancing. I say i'm wrong. i'm wrong. He they hired a new brand manager. The first brand manage was was Kevin graham replacing jason wolfe them at all encompassing. So is it the same as program. Yes that's part of the part of the okay. So joey left in december january january january. So they've been waiting waiting waiting for the right right person to come in. Who could fill those shoes. Do they find the guy. Fifty eight years old from indianapolis indiana ladies and gentlemen. What's his name. Jeff pickard. I'm jeff rickard rick. I have a great day. Thank you jeff. This guy is as a central casting boring like just drip Who's who's getting paid. Nothing will contribute nothing. He will walk in and make like to changes will change the clock. You'll have like a couple of like segment ideas. But he's gonna walk into like. Let me get this straight luma. He played for the red sox. Chris you play for the patriots. You guys are gonna do great promote that more. No it's gonna be. It's going to be that or like jesus gresh i love you. You're you're bulldog is gonna be all to all that crap in like this guy is a career journeyman like zero. He's never accomplished a thing in this business. Nothing we have his number dave. I tried to get the cell. And i couldn't find at the beginning of his youtube real. There's that that's not right. I tried that number and it didn't go to them. I try. i'll try again. It didn't work yesterday. Sure only with too boring white guys to fill those. What's the other thing like what diversity by david. Field to an old fat's boring drip white guys can wear does the model for like when they're talking about like these old white men like it would be a picture right and layered and i ain't nothing gets the name. Ken laird cal. Do a good job. So essentially the system. Just put the schedules together now. Basically a running. The jimmy fund actually do a good job. He's good but he's organized a good. It's a good higher making the program director. This guy's like a paying money. It's almost sad. Bring the making this move from indianapolis in like do this job. In like two years he'll be gone. You'll have done nothing to waste of everybody's time if someone knows boston radio not the kenwood rate. Need the job. The job is not necessary to go in and do what. Tell me what. What's different now with you. Know me being gone and older guys like Jerry in glenn dale like everyone else now will other than greg. It doesn't matter any good all. Listen with this guy says the built do what he tells them to do right. Which is you know. I've heard this guy talk. And they're going to say this guy is electrifying or call has been forwarded to an argument kenza playful banter in the in the statement. Though was long as greg doesn't come to sensors in fines on it's cute. She's so written by corporate crap. Do we sound guy. Jeff yeah we got a bunch of really good sound of jeff not doing anything too crazy. He just i feel bad because he had a heart attack recently. Just see that. He kind of seems like a decent human being. I know mean you and fans hanging out and we could agree. We can argue. But i i like to say that it's literally just if we were sitting at a game and we will hold on not here this. I guess you know what we could but at the end of it. We're gonna get along okay. Oh that's good like you might like the cowboys. And i might like the eagles. Yeah but you know what like at the end we just kind of a couple beers and we say it's just a game. Yeah that's why people loved francis. Is that right along with the so. You mean like you're not supposed to shoot each other on the head. I didn't realize some measure perspective. Thanks jeff. I didn't know that you wouldn't commit violent crimes against each other. What he said exactly. I think special ed jeff. That's just meaning you and fan hanging out and we could agree. We can argue. But i like to think that it's literally if we were sitting at a game and we saw play and you said oh you out and i'm like what are you talking about. He was safe. Yeah i liked the that we can still be friends and we hold on. Do you guys think i'll ask you guys. I don't ask for advice. Much old old buddy of mine Actually named dave from years ago. I haven't talked to this kind of ever told the story. I haven't talked this guy twenty four years. We're watching a baseball game once and the guy was i thought safe room said he was out. We haven't talked since. Oh my gosh. Should i recharge is. I would say twenty one years twenty four years. That's all the time it's like. You can't bring up trump vaccine passports or safe right. You matters talked. I call dave. They're ruining french. I should just call him debut right. He was out we start over. He'd give you the fuck you i like. I like this guy jeff. I'd like to think that we could do this. No jeff you can do. You can watch that game. I'm telling you it's not. It's not that. He's one of these guys to thinks this myth at boston this crazy. How now it's like it's like everywhere else. Even even for the sports analogy the example. He shows us so monday. Nine brady bledsoe's gray little quote to the. It's not believe what i what else jeff. The second that that microphone goes on you. Just do what you do you kind of forget about the nerves which like driving a car. There's a point where you get in that car. You know what to do with that car that's true. There's a point where you get in that car. You know what to do with that car taste. I would imagine it's like this. I don't fly airplanes friends and family. That do that's how you doing the show like obviously this is the sound. Be playing on the show in the morning and making fun of this guy off to a terrible start. I it would be like kevin graham who i liked a lot. Affiliate probably like this guy. But that'd be like you cannot come in the office. You're fucking annoying me with these stupid things. Go away. Go fucking fixed. The shows that suck leave me alone. Yeah i don't know. Would you like this kind of goes east. Sounds like he might be. I'll say was probably a nice. There's a story written about him yesterday by somebody who called me after the road at yesterday make sure i would make fun of them too much. Boy i won't say their names. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna do that okay. I'm not going to blow it for him to say that that's good but He this person might have said. This guy seems very very nice guy. Okay so i wanna. I wanna say he's a nice guy. I have no doubt he's a nice guy. But you don't always like nice guys. Necessarily i actually hate the chemistry agreement on record a great day. Kevin graham was the nicest guy ever wanted me in your life and he would drive me fucking crazy. That's why i'm glad to know that. It's programmed into though because i was like. Why are they announcing like a marketing guy. Didn't stand up turning into like you know he's in charge of whatever the web's you know a it'll change the logo slightly. And that's what they'll do and they'll be like you'll hear different like kevin's big thing. He came in. He had this guy for imaging they call the voice stuff of the station and we had a bunch of different guys. Who did it. did it. dana who dana is the hershey or hershey. He'd do it for us. We didn't know The inertia now a cheese cutter was at the guy's name Do some stuff. And he brought in this guy he knew whose voice was so fucking awful from ohio and we would just shit all the time. Remember who talk in this in drove kevin fucking crazy but always coming. I understand where you're coming from. I just you know would always like that soup. I mean this guy's going to bet you have friends who fly planes gas heart to. It's pretty cool though. Yeah knowing knowing pilots. Say i wouldn't be good on the case but i think i found by investigation skills. I know why he's here. I know why. We'll say. Dave i have a couple of years so that's a good one so in our program director comes in generally kevin got one. Obviously wolf hired a bunch of joey to to you Joined moving the swap swap the mid day. The afternoon shows Kevin graham brown and tim benz Woolsey kind of you know a bunch of us allow one move so i do. Think that Opening franklin always leaving. I think that he's gonna have some role in naming this of. I think there's a chance he might be the afternoon host now members the morning host in this. Am station indianapolis interesting. This is calls for a big shot. I maybe i could see himself going in those guys. Maybe which would be wonderful. Sounds like it would be brutal and sound sulking chef. So bad is voices invest socks. Oh his actual voice no but it would be that same type of not getting coming guy from right napa. Let's do sports radio and soccer's went the giant astles. All i tell you what hollywood so dave's theory is. Skis can raise the to throw some old guy off the off the other the booth here going i can tell you is without naming. Specific teams has been a finalist down to the last two or three for a couple of major league baseball an nba teams in the past. And it's something. I think i could do well there. That makes a lot of sense awesome game. Because i'm like what's a fifth year old a moving at this point of his life. Why do that right. If i can have a chance to be full time. Play by play guy for an nba team. An nfl team or major league baseball team. It'd be gone. That would be what i would do. The rest of my life by the way this was some obscure one. i found. Yeah just a random guy looking for advice from record here but they think he's not replacing ordway but Yeah yes. I can see that. Maybe to interest ninety right and you believe it they have a young drip doing play by play casino. Putting himself in there is no no no more limited. I think he has like know. He's a hundred years old. Thank you need a backup plan. At this point. I would think so literally in the room just a case. Jeff rickard is jeff. Hi jeff. how're you sorry. I chance that Frank reich and have been exchanging just nothing more than like heart emojis on the frank. I missed it. 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I guess i would think because you can't be on twitter. Absolutely the rock a hundred person. Someone knows his voice very well. No it's one hundred percent the rock every time you think you only get some controls the social and all for promotional stuff share but this is he's directly replied brady. Nobody thinks tweeting that stuff right now. He's a funny guy. he's yeah. I mean oh. I saw that schefter tweet yesterday. Where he's like you see. I didn't think it was his odd as you did. He looks twenty years older than the other. Gal oh from that aspect looks same as we know it. Don't i thought it was weird. Which is a little weird that he was wishing them happy birth. That is but like the same age. I'm like the first one though the facing to fall off plastic surgery. No no jesus christ. Is that part of the growth. Jiming shit in your face mean god he looks. He looks bizarre. Porno graduated michigan at the same time and they will choose. Xm adriatic so poor. I listen a little bit. It got a little too much for me but portnoy had our guy on rico screaming back and forth each other. It wasn't that entertained by i found it to be a little tedious. Should've kept more just pointed on the right and this morning i was more curious about the interview after rico busca had ask talking about cookies or no no. Oh you're talking about that too for that. Then afterwards they went on like a forty minutes rant about porn or how to tweet about the red sox yankees game from like a couple of weeks ago. He's kidding i'll not according to mike. I funny you have that perspective. I saw my tweet at the time. He apologized today for sonny. It's joke media. It lasted the duration of the ride from waltham to watertown other christ gap national treasure. Mike porn they had to look up the definition of sarcasm to appease mike. That was not sarcasm. Were you on recos team there. What do you think of the rico. Situated have no idea the understand he didn't show up. They said show up on monday yet. Jeff the nudist show up. They beat a lot of shit. And i don't know what that was about either. I was just confused. Does his real name in there fucking with them. Dan came in it. Got more confusing. I i just don't understand paying attention to it. But shot up the dan for listening to the show the other day by the way because he referenced you in in that area time now. He's afraid he's not gonna what just say is paying attention to what you're talking about shadow shadow. Show those dangerous. To does the bobby knight off phil jackson it with psycho analytic. So what was that. Synetix let me tell you something you can do this. Yeah they get off coach. There is but one guy off. Yeah you got fucking in the in the practice ones make a lot of shit you hands on buddy talking about. I will say. I'm with david on this. One davis super at least my experience. Crazy hands off. No fucking thing. Maybe with betting shit. Not much though. Go to work on monday to. He knows he works for him. If he doesn't want to show up. I'd say you go forget. So rico is like you can't be that guy like then you've got to quit. Keep a i think he's prepared to if he if he yeah he was prepared to quit. Quit i hate to say that about that. Because i know rico is a lot of respect for the math. There's no mafia but he's a lot of respect for that world right but he does seem like the rat that kind of runs from family to family. Let's see whatever he has to henry there i hate to say. I don't believe it's true. But i suspect i think as we speak ten fifty two on wednesday august fourth twenty twenty. One rico is on team in. I believe that's correct. I don't want our next game is so right now. I believe it's me rico. And pat but i feel like rico is not long for borstal. Why do you say. Because i hope help he sticks around but it seems like there's some real issues going on porn won't fire anyone that he really hates like you didn't even fire me home a person i think rico's r. right even for giving him ship gas but i don't know know it gave gave him a week. Go go to work on monday. That seems reasonable. You know we don't know rico schedule. We don't know the works parcel. Marcy know if he's like ten ninety nine guy he never had a a set schedule camel. No i know. Dave said shop these days or even but even say you're fired if shop on these days monday wednesday friday any of those days. Jeff They do is coming in filling and shop. That's reasonable to me. Right now is getting passion though. Do you have to put the one guy that he with you. Yes of course. That's where you work. You know company knows working marshals. I mean this is how it goes in a sales job. There wouldn't bring the guy that assaulted you to replace every day. But then rico goes again. Who the sexist racist goes go all going off jeff. Nadu like jesus christ. I do live the accusations that we go through means. She's unbelievable. I don't know what else is going on What did you think of cuomo. No you to talk about these topics. Mine time this idea now. I can't talk about these topics. I steve robinson famously fought for ever. I said he's eventually gonna lose his job after resigning. Steve said no. I actually think that steve is still right. Cuomo is not resigning. That doesn't seem to be. I mean to his credit. He brought some terrific evidence tobacco up yesterday. Trying to pictures of i. I want you to know directly from me that i never touched anyone. Inappropriate oscar made it. Does that shows pictures of like george bush hugging somebody. I- harassed women all white hispanic. I mean the president of the united states wants call friend to resign and again yesterday. Pelosi did all everybody on so the question is does he look at it and say i do i do. I doesn't blow away. Are they going to or were. They actually start prosecuting in state where they have. They haven't removed. That's a question. We'll we'll we'll the state legislature do them. I probably it's tough because they have to do kind of gymnastics to defend him because the allegations are it's eleven women all telling the same story right. They can't their like right. They have to go after him. Of course because they have put themselves in a corner where they can't say well these stories aren't they're not it's not rape or you know what are we actually talking about. He studied he clearly. Did this given the void report looks and the other. The real loser was our friend. A caller to the show. Chris cuomo Like coaching him and giving advice than yesterday. Didn't talk about it on the shows the biggest story of the country yesterday. He's a fucking talking about it. Well dave was saying like. Why didn't they have someone fill in for something. I didn't know the answer because it'll be obviously. Here's what you do like you talk about. He's talk. He can't be objective with his brother. We say that right but then you just can't talk is not the purpose of talking but then you have people saying. Why is he on if he can't talk about it object but these people won't admit that their shows are actually opinion based shows like chris. Cuomo is an opinion base nightmare show. It's not a new show. Admit that if they admitted that yeah he could go on. Say fuck you like. I'm with my brother. Say hey listen this. This is in this report. Let me tell you my side of the story like why not. I like cuomo gets tough chris cuomo. He's a tough yesterday. We talked about that Do you see that video of him and the restaurant guy. Yes to italians doing that. Terrible segment brother television. That jesus was bizarre. He did a crossover with don lemon where they just said that they loved each other. They didn't recognize it and then they go off and then lemons coma. I lead story of course so it's just it's strange. I mean he should be fired. A obviously cuomo. Who did i call them. Killer cuomo about you. You heard the phrase david. I've heard that for first. Janice dean is a hero. Dino yes the weather reporter fox news. Yes i love. Just that exposes all these people because you think of like don lemon was talking to a good example. Believe bill o'reilly's brother love. You love you. Now i know janice dean is happy tenant tonight this morning okay. Jesus who's the one. Oh polity and that's what i was thinking jerry. Jerry also do. What did she do this. I believe she was a fan of a certain word said well. She said she was robbed. Or something and used the n. Word to describe oh that years ago and she got canceled for that. I think she she dead. I have no. I think she she thinks you do another show. They never go she does know. That's martha stewart. But yeah. i was a scumbag. I mean what he did during we cover this for you know. He wrote a book. I'm sure you saw yesterday between my guy. Jak two that great view which. I forgotten those celebrity saying how great he was here. Ben stiller like congratulations andrew on your much-deserved founders award governor andrew cuomo you are the man. Thank you for your leadership during these trying times. We are new york tough smart disciplined united and loving. I was trying to think of something that i could say to you. That would be funny. And so i called you brother chris who could not understand why you were getting any since. He's one on television. And the doctor says that the pandemic emmy for what for like his for being a hero. I think right. They did television like being on tv. So much yeah. That's what they made up an award for ben stiller and by the way this second at the time everyone's like the fucking doing like you know half of america was saying what are you doing fucking killing people. You know you ben stiller at one point this things like your sex simple now to well. That's the funny part is like Eleven women were like. Yeah he was pretty weird to me and they're like get him out of there and he killed like six hundred right. That's fine shit is fucking. I'll never understand the arrogance like when you're already sixty three years old you already have enough money. Just get out of there like just resign and let it blow over. Easy wants power. He's still famous. Asshole still probably thinks he could run for president or something like that. Well yeah that's so you see this tweet and this is you know i retweeted somebody. Some blue checkmark. Who had this. I talked about yesterday then. All the comments underneath raleigh about trump. And i'm like great like why this is wrong. Like why don't you focus on this. You want to fucking cancel trumpcare. I feel like that's been done. We also knew trump was an asshole before this got a lot of people knew. Andrew cuomo is an asshole like he's not saying not gonna show ragging for sure but gauge. Your komo is a legendary asshole like hated loathe by people. so that's why when the the what about trump argument doesn't work because trump for years has been like. Yeah i'm a piece of shit. He goes on howard. Stern and mitzi fuck whores say well yeah we also women accused of sexual ryan but what i'm saying is like his backers can say like eight. Well that's not true but he's also he's always been this guy. Cuomo is fake politician. That's never done anything wrong. So the second and goes after people for this temperature. Guys like ben stiller whenever talk about this now like we have been still around to promote something i asked about. He would just hang up or not answered. They don't have to make it go. Snow isn't would hang. That's probably true. Weighing allstate from from quo general. Let's see I was gonna ask you randomly about that. Crock q. w. quantum we chris. There tweet the this morning. I was a little questionable. What's that i remember. I just said What did he say like lesson. Learned i send learn goes back. He's he's in the mar right. Yes stuck with this idiot tomorrow. Get i go on that jerry report promote quantum week with. He promotes it with go. On there i meant to the skyrocketing the ratings. They haven't asked him about does that. Podcast exist without me. Like really really like they may be doing it but it'd be doing to silence joe And cassini only exist because of meat nets it like. that's it it shouldn't they. Is there with christmas like oh driving. The work team listening to gerrymander sounded. Great was boys on that podcast. You gotta remember. I don't care the you mean there. I think he means khurana sounds crew. Put him there be you. That's what i'm saying. Jesus i certainly didn't know everything. God gratitude. Jeez playing grab outs on twitter by the way. I don't give a fuck about that. Dave shut up with a greg. Great guy great parentheses there. Dave awesome to see right a fucking play about. I can't wait to watch that. I'm interested in it. We'll give me what kind of grab ass bob joking. It was like literally the first thing i've ever replied to on twitter. They're talking create move. Colorado was the can your first one unbelievable. He's looking at his feet. This is certainly a parody coach. Really dave county ways. Role was good. That's great jesus. Christ the whole speaking of. How did you hear jerry jerry. You don't listen no no. I don't want to support it. Doesn't it is so funny now. Being on the outside it's like it's laughable so really so it's actually funny. He's got some humor to hope. I'm saying you're able to laugh is weiner against her hand. If you think of it in terms of jerry drops it is a great list. That's how you have to actually talk to jerry just easier. That way to listen to the show. Is i love jesus in her mouth. I'm glad that jerry and matter doing great. 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Kirk for twenty percent off your first box at box of awesome. all right. what else you got well was kwami a patriot dot com slash blind. Mike yes thank you very it. What's going on there. Oh kinds of wacky stuff. Probably a solo. Show tonight because craig Might be busy with the fan. Ladies or something so we'll see is white shut we'll be talking about. That's a centralized you're talking. what are you talking about. Craig may be on with the min- middle ladies tonight. I think so. We're on youtube channel. Yes so he's not going to produce a show you he's here's the thing is So sick of. I hate this fucking guy. I'm i'm getting there. No he's he's all right great but it is always on wednesdays we like he has something with his family. So something prerecord usually on wednesdays. We didn't prerecorded anything this week. So i'll just do something. So but then he told me last was like I if i can get out of taking care of my kids. I might do the minute. He's like we've been nice to have that heads. The ninetieth person that show talk ninety day fiance instead of producing your show. Correct fired dude. He asked me so. I'll i will allowed loser. Yes fuck greg. And i've said this before but like any. He is searched far and wide for any show of the mind. Will anyone take me. Feels like he's one of these guys. I term like hang around like he's trying to jump in the fan. We'll get using me patients. I've told them that i was like. Do you do on twitter like they'd be relaxing. Kareem you create your own thing you know right. I understand. i'm talking about him. I try. I try to manage him. Well i'm sure he's a good guy on the show tonight. we'll see solo blind mike. I think we'll see what i want to vamp about. Wow and then you're off off to the great satan new jersey We'll be around wife show tomorrow as well then off to jersey off the jersey. Right sneaky saturday yes. Who's on the bump yanks. Mariners pitching i don't do rotations got gary Mariners any good. I don't even know awful one of the worst teams in the league. Now we're getting little momentum going here. That's right this rocket on saturday up like that. I get an extra ticket to a comedy show. If you wanna hang out tomorrow night how do you mean. I just got an extra ticket. Where's it The wilbur i was gonna go scout. The wilbur realized that i had been a twenty-five wilbur. County was some for some weird this stage. That's is that though. I can't get back to endorse this. Oh that is okay. There's a roof and that's a stage in iva kirker stand on the stage and then when the show's over he'll be off the stage. I like if days Do you have a specialist cutting hat yo. You got binoculars. Just a fedora. Press on these people. Drink sort of beverage. I liked dave on the floor. Waitress brings him over his drinking and say hey tap microphone work goodfellas. Don't walk all through the back of the of the special table put right in the front. No i'm in that side that special one up top there you know. We'll box area link. It was at that store matt. Hopefully so that's our spot you want to. What's the what's the show man. I'll see any tickets available. No he's close. He's a good for him really going. Yeah i kind of just want to get out of the house so making a show thing not i would rather stick my head like in just a dig a hole. Just take my head in it for for two. I haven't been out in two thousand. I mean to be a man thing. I hope that the idea of going into the city dr- yes. I did not want i would not wanna do. Do respect like david craig. Are both perspective. Hold on thank you know but most like married guys with children. That i know are like i can't get out of the house because i've take care of the kids i did. This gave and craig look for exclusive. Fuck it's awful. I would just lie about going to drive around for hours. Just come back to. How old are your kids foreign to fuck that. Jesus they had a ninety nine point. Five fever dispatch today and my wife is like obsessed with fever. It's not a fucking fever can take it easy. A fever is like one. Zero three isn't fucking doctor. We go to the doctor yesterday and you can tell the doctors here. Okay take it easy. Excuse me live dayline. Verner horrible doctor right away. Why if i was a doctor so you brought in the nine nine fear. Get the fuck out incorrect over. I can have a conversation with my kids. Got one hundred point two temperature. Then you know. Bring him to the doctor. No other symptoms nothing. It's gotta be a hundred covert or something. We'll she was tested for kobe. And let's just say they have covert them. What like a meme saying why even get tested. And they're going out and doing no not really i meant. I didn't get to tell you monday night when i got my Cova test i I wouldn't abba went in with me and the guy was like So you you have symptoms. And i go. Yeah i've been a little congested and a little bit of a cough. And i'm still talking. He stops me and looks at albay. Doesn't ask me this he goes. I always liked that. It was a doctor could be symptom. That was the one guy who suffering from cova this way he's like he's like nassau symptom. Just just weird looking back. We have a seat. Sports play hurt baby. Well the temperature down dave. Yes talk tylenol wonders. That doesn't mean that. The usual overreaction. She's crazy right now with cova. She's insane it's tough tool. Kit is on the way. But it's more no no you talked me out of it the other day. Good thank you going to say before. Sorry know it just sucks when you can't go anywhere like she didn't want me to take the kids to the point where i gotta kill our the day. It'd be like tonight. I wanna go see a man at the scout. Well ironically be a man would tell them to go. I think you know. Get out of the house. I don't really quite understand that. That's tomorrow night. Yes oh good for you. Oh luckily after that for about two weeks or you think a few calls if you want. I suppose some missing something like missing anything. What's the ratio for soko. Do you still want my still reading. Right oh i don't know yet. We'll figure that out. But both thank you though justin. This important question poured question. Oh yeah it's soccer goddamn bucket. For god's sake shit you always very gung when you make these. Oh forget from technical tests for soko today tonight. What are you doing just technical tests. Why are you telling me this. I mean we're talking soccer. Know i don't i just dreading it talking software. I'll tell you that changed my mind now looking forward to it. I was reading technical tests. That's good mike's like what like it's i last time. You brought all this stuff here. I don't wanna do that like even video shit. Okay so what are you doing with this. Testing all the gear. That i have something in the other room yet. Given to great together you guys you do a show we do have. We do have a show it goes. It was pretty good until mike join the other day actually and ruined the chemistry enjoyed up. Sorry mike i was leaving. I almost want to come back but that was like i'm not talking to these guys on the heard them ask you and you're like oh you should have just been like no i don't want to. I don't feel well. I don't wanna do this. Got me is the charmed me into it. Because i heard dave say something about me and i couldn't make out was and just goes Mike do you want to spice things up dave phrased spice things up with mike god spicy. I look i heard this. It was extra zest for a little bit. Sorry yeah it was. It was fine. Yeah it was good my feet to the fire about dale. Oh good good good. Good good. I it's just you today. Yes okay and then justice on with somebody else tomorrow correct. Well no no. Oh look so tomorrow. Friday is a look ahead to monday. Show just i'll probably do it sunday or saturday. I am fucking you where people are expecting. Yeah we'll see what it's like. He's like fucking neil young studios fucking man's keeping a saturday or sunday. Doing her make sense. Does it the whole weekend makes sense. Sure saddam makes perfect sense of justice doing that on sunday. It does show be sitting there in a fucking hotel room in iowa annoyed. this can be just. You'll be doing it from iowa. Justin right no you. You told me no. I think you're missing out. I may be. You're right. I'll have to live with that regret if you if was three days in a row if it was like monday tuesday wednesday. Would you consider bringing justin instead of it. You know in space like that. Why if if. It's monday wednesday friday. He's there for two extra days for. But i would never talk to him all their right like you've got good. I'm just talking about like. Would you say oh yeah. That's not a bad idea. If the idea for three days in a row versus monday wednesday friday. I'll be doing three shows if i do it monday. Wednesday friday yep but three days in is three shows yes. Choosing three shows opposed three shows. You think because it would be more of an inconvenience to me. No he's saying. Dave saying i think they've things that you would spend more time with him. Who's there for to just be around and you'd be annoyed that he's around just in general saying i'm staying. I wanna know anything telling worm staying. He wouldn't stay there. What would he do. Come in my room and my thing. I mean it's not the worst. It's the worst idea. it's the worst idea. It's a pretty popular podcast. You think you'd want it to sound the best like i don't care where we technologically inept. I don't care how. It's i don't care i don't care this. No that's all just know that there are risks. When you're responsible who pose a risk your growth a fucking risk. See think about how much you what you brought up the list of the other day. I didn't bring it out care. It's funny. I don't know who's gonna laugh at those wacky bits. When you're on the road wake up in the morning and like going out just a pile eggs this it'd be enough to kill a fucking go on the fucking choose speaking. Never see the sports. yeah anyway. We'll get some lunch or something star. Wars lee alone. He's risk look. What a risk. I'm running well. Ibm studio how does that work. Yeah i think we're all gonna come in as normal order. Mike mike show. Jesus christ all right up air low risk hello turkey nighttime longtime this is actually jimmy. Chitwood calling jimmy. How are you. I'm doing well Do what was your. What was your lifelike. After after the game would you wind up doing. I opened up a restaurant okay downtown. What's it called Bobby plumps last shot. Okay name. i don't understand the reference below geico wordy. Let's understanding you have been giving a lot of credit to coach norm. Dale i just wanna make it perfectly clear. I have not. That was my team. Not giving them credit. You watch Thanks to physical if you watched. I'm sorry i remember. The podcast was on talking about hoosiers with cried. Stomach can't remember but that particular pockets. I said normal was not a great coach. So so so fuck. You asshole caulkins good. He's a contact. got his comeuppance. Yes you can say that cut. That's all right for some reason. Just no just just understand when you go there. That's a risk taking wasn't that serious. I didn't say tone. Am i okay. I'm taking that risk. Okay okay well you do know let me tell you go and do these things like just say no. I'm doing the south carolina iowa. The risk of taking the most is definitely the quality of the hotel room on the kirkman and show definitely risks number. One that's on my mind. I like the image of you plugging in the microphone. Like deniro in casino. That's the problem he doesn't do that. That's the problem right. you use you use. What's in your ears right now. There's no problem. I mean i don't find it to be a problem. The not problem. It's i don't care about. It's my show so it's a problem mr problem. It's not a problem. If only i brought trust. She's god is like getting. The car turned justin just sitting there. We'll drive separately right. I think that was the idea. Virtually never see. Mike would make sense financially for any reason to bring justice to help with the audio for three days when he was on his time. He's driving right. Did he say that no would you. Would you pay for that. No he would not. We're not we drove my car. See yeah that's interesting. But i wouldn't even help the show at all. Yeah sleeping car case in case hello kirk. Verticals are here. Hey bernie to you doing. What's going on. Oh nothing number. Nineteen cleveland browns. I remember i just a quick question for the first time longtime Let's see i had a question for you Did you what did you think of it. Did you see the net flicks Challenger documentary. I did we. We did burn burn. Did four parts i. It was okay. It was a little familiar. You know it was it was it was. Okay be minus. Yeah yeah yeah. I only seen bits and pieces. Bits and pieces. I'll hang up and listen. okay. I got you. You know the people have talked about this. If you look up bernie kosar's obsession with the challengers berry straight it's weird. It's like a guy that you find out. What the outright or something bizarre sad to see these these passionate hello kirke. How are you doing. Good up dave load. Get here You just question About your career and you seem happiest when you like. You're investigating something Or exposing something which we definitely fans we definitely enjoy a bunch but do you think like the blow torching that you've done to like media friends which we also appreciate has sort of like less as you regret like sort of like burning some bridges because you give so much. Great career introspective investigative pieces. Do you think would have gotten more juice if you had like blown like some bridges. Yeah i don't know. I mean. Yeah i gotcha thanks I don't think it's like hurt like that stuff. Like the fact that. I don't talk to you know chris kurt i you know i think the only like bradford may be jerry and the yeah. Yeah i regretted the rob stuff because that was a really good like you know. He's like my brother like that really using my big brother that that if you said to me is what really. What relationship are you most. Upset about fracturing like the other ones don't really matter like jerry noggin long. Well now we would never jerry. I would you know. It's it's it's different the rob one like you know. Jerry have still some issues with jerry with the home like. I don't think he did enough while i was gone. Like but. But i'm over it. Now right whereas rob like there wasn't really much rob do rob is robin. I should have realized that as opposed to getting mad at him. And you know in a perfect world. Where i wish he'd stuck up for him and saved his job yet but he's not me even your explanation of sure like i went in. I've told the story when they were gonna fire him. I walked in and literally talked to murphy of firing him. that happened. it's documented. People were there and but if he was his job. He's fucked financial. He's fucked. Yeah yeah right you could walk away. Yeah biz also. Dave like after pretty tumultuous couple of years and months bleeding up. Were you know it's it but like robs a really good guy and mike knows that. And he's you know Wasn't there that but like now. We talk every month or so and it's still a little weird frosty frosty but just like there are things that we can't say that each other things he definitely not to say the me you and this is sort of this thing. Still hang in there which is never going to be repr- fixed i don't think in that is sort of that. Does kind of suck but like the second the way of me like investigating a story. Now that i was gonna say to aren't really connected reflecting on this. It's an hour ago and he said rob bradford aids. Gordon needs true. Well he does. Gordon rob rob. Laughing i would. He's he's he's said he's legitimately nazi sensitive making fun of and he's also sensitive in a good way i think but right on concerned about it or something but like you know he goes on the you know. I got like jerry texan. Music from was on with the. Oh man yesterday playing. I'm kind of like. I don't really care like that doesn't really bother me a couple of years ago. The bother of now. What are you going to do the job. He's the kids he's trying to fuck can make a living in the hill thing. Kind of became a rivalry after we made. I don't consider greg arrival at like. He's not an enemy shitty show courtesy enemy. That's the only one. I don't consider cannon on the me i don't care about the according cox or jimmy where you know. The the david field is danny mark. Hanan is an enemy. The station is an enemy. But like do i kind like andy. Gresh rich keefer put. Though i felt like i don't really care. Rush specifically wasn't asshole to totally. But i don't think of him but he's supposed do not take the job that's unrealistic. Kirkwood took a day. We will pick a random date. Just fuck with them. Yeah i think leading that brady game one of those days blaming do it like the day after that game right like blood with calls for four actually can't take calls a day. Yeah it's coming through the exactly. This update still. 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I still haven't hello. hey car. full people big world. How good good good. Yes how are you doing doing well. Complain following last night's episode was going to be a but it's actually pretty decent so not not bad. I mean. I gotta say like you know we harp on this all the time. I can't one interesting thing is clearly my by my big takeaways. Clearly tori hades amy. That that's not even disputable. Yeah definitely she really showed her true colors. When were talking about the who's wedding. It was kinda gave her that talking to right. And she's right and he's really gotta grow up like a child at this wedding drinks these dresses and like she's going to try these frigging stupid. Dresses drank my day. Like oh my god. You're fucking sixty years old ages. Yeah it's really bad. And she's also like lying about what the drinks where she's trying to make christie's drink look worse. She's so full of herself. These terrible so sick of her friends a hateful that were friends. Now you can tell they don't wanna be there either. None of them wanted to be there. I like the tease for next week. Though where you can tell you can tell the kids Like karen more than amy. You could see a little bit attention boiling over next week. Allies that like like the the the little kids it is fun. I was actually wondering like what are the chances 'cause all Parents or amy's friends do was just bash. Matt kill words miller old while while he's like doing all this stuff probably call. He's eating all to make her wedding day so special and they're just bashing. I was wondering. Do you think you get karen versa. I think lisa ruffin reality. I think that would a a good match up. That's a good physical match up. I think you could see that. Yeah i mean. I would say if you like. The carrots probably stock is probably the highest on the show. Right now. Besides your omega madison. We medicine they're planning these. The and flowers like what else do you like. What else in. Amy's i hope there's construction going on. It's like you fucking agreed to a wedding a massive farm. Like what are you. What do you think is gonna happen. She's just she's unreasonable. You cannot win with her. she's so angry she was sewing. I i mean you know was my take away from last night. There was one of them home. Arouse like where she's like. Oh yeah she's like oh she's like Something one point you said. Well what are you gonna do if it happens. These things happen. Michael which is it like you've all you do is complain about this fucking shit. They mean it chris. Paul chris ee is just checked out. I mean i feel like he's truly in the whitman marriage for matt Miss little people. Big mrs little people big world actually said. Do you think there's a possibility. That matt hired chris to get amy's off his hands and the more i think about it. Not a horrible theory. Well even did. They even did the interview together last night. Chris's so happy. Chris loves loves. Loves matt up loves me and love with him. I think he's in love with him. I see it too. They were very giddy very soon matt. Not starting to warm up to the idea of it. It's very strange. I like it though. I like it. I'll talk to the low updates Hey jesus how. Many seasons of that show. He's twenty two. Yeah so there's no way to catch up on that show in any way and watch all the episodes. That's a long. How many how many episodes this season they're not. They're not full seasons. But yeah no i imagine you could jump past the point four or five years ago. You'd be all right okay. Yeah it's not that complicated dynamic. There's short did you see a portnoy's new hire that. He just tweeted mel this. He hired this person. Kim and she her i contin idea was a coffee coffee with content kim except she made the sea and the bowl season coffee and content case so he did really portnoy's twitter and the day freak out and he said what we're off to a hot start and the first guest is brandon walker barstool sports. We've created coffee with content. Kim i guessed name brandon brandon. What walker for the one hundredth time. Brennan fucking walker. Anyone that thought. The coffee thing was racist. We broaden the white guy from mississippi. That's all straight edge. They tweet out brand. Says i guess. Prime watcher he's tweets brennan. I'll watch the next one. Is you know what. I didn't really named it. Did know wouldn't catch. That has to be a joke. She has to be planned. Assume but it's not a it's it's a funny though. It would be funny if it was like like jerry show or something i guess right. No i mean be funny. We joked about like that. But that's what i mean. It's a funny the name at that. I mean unless see on your first day to. Although i'll i mean if they're in the clan i guess why not. That's what i'm saying is there's no like racial undertones of the show. Why it's a mom and her daughter. Oh okay wow. Why did they hire like who are. They had a viral video video and then he just tired or i am so things are passing me by three hundred sixty episodes little people big world by the way. Dave what is it three hundred twenty two years. Yeah the twin one. A day you'll be done in less than a year. Jesus god role gop change awful. Damn hari get on that show. So who does like the listeners are like he's talking about this little little people big world and i should've watched it because they wanna pick up on what. Why don't we get one of the people on the roll offs on the show Let's go for it. I got a good guest booking machine mud. Who had my space. But now it's true. Jesus i got you forty five minutes with the one you want. oh nice. forty-five minutes. We have a date for that. It's just because it's so far out that it's we're just cutting person. I think we're going to end up doing it super early and having to hold onto it. Which sucks in person. Probably the phone. I would go there for that. You would go there. Potentially i'll put that out there so i'd have to go with you to set up. Obviously you want so badly to just in your mind. Justin like all kidding aside. There's still load update. Oh hold on and your mind. Like if i if i was open like hanging out would you want to hang out with ira. No like no like hanging one. Oh without your dinner if he if he today. Let's go grab dinner with you but if you're like hey wanna go watch little people big world in my hotel room now. I'll probably just hang out a say notice. Did you come on back to my toe. Your boss and i said i wanna watch little people big world with in my hotel room. You would say no I'd probably say. Yeah but reluctantly why. The radio all day justin like after you sub the show get ready for the next two years away. W what would you do figure something out. Okay sorry hello perky perky yes. I'm here goddamn it. Yes how you doing matt from long island new york by the ferry Just a follow up on the little people. Big the second the which one poor or two or The one up there orient point where he point okay. she came in from. What's new london. Yep you wanted anyway For the little the little people big world. I have a question after this chore but does it take away a little bit with how produce they are now in you know essentially scripted. You still enjoy watching it. Yeah i know definitely taking them. More po watch early seasons. It's way less polished for sure. Now like they'll be sitting there like you know sitting here mike who say so. What's going on with the wedding. You'll love that stuff all reality but there wasn't like that before they set the cameras. Tell the but yeah. I think now they figured out late in the game like we need a little drama here like It's get a little drama. And i think they used to do it in a way like the osborne's did it. I don't know the exact timeframe but they filmed overlake six months or years. And now it's like you gotta turn these out and of those fuckers away but what's your question it takes it takes. It takes away from it. A little bit but Anyway so i question i guess would be What what are your thoughts on the movie. Brian's song it's okay. It's a little over i i was. I was like not young when he came out. Like i was wasn't born so the first time i saw was already kind of corny. You know okay. Yeah the only reason why. I caught up with your Friday episode regarding the ron howard. Have you seen the movie rush- Yes with the the kid from glory span yeah with the kid from various facets and One of the hemsworth right is right and that was pretty good. It was actually pretty good. I like that movie. Okay all right. I just want to bring that up just because you know howard is hit or missed like russia's almost a almost a modern day bryan song in a way but i don't think it was as parallels there for short house. Yeah i thought it was an underrated movie that no one knows about goya. Yes four movie. Yes thank you. You don't get jesus god. I liked brian kidd even as a kid. I found out the way. Brian picolo talks. When he's sick yes old school the old tv movie way of doing it. Update yeah i'll be hosting a movie show on the youtube channel coming up by the way is that right. That's right that's right. That was like a half ago. It was a month and a half ago. Definitely not not. Recent okay was a month and a half ago. let's say you and working here on the half ago. Just about yeah. I wasn't afraid it doesn't matter. What do you care when it was. It's been on your mind for a while. i guess do hello. Jesus golf talk man. what's up. It's good golf you you said. You played Scoff where they filmed the movie sideways. Yes i did me and my buddy jim. Yeah where'd you play where. yeah where. Oh god what's the name of the town. Yes it's a one would like all was like. I wanna say dutch now. What's the towns like theme. Yeah i'm talking about. Yeah just like danish or something. Yeah so we looked up on i location. So we've found that and we play the by where the course with a movie. K b voice who. I'm talking to you now. Know we're wherever would've shot. We played there. Yeah it was a long time ago. The name of that course. I used to remember fuck of the of the course but yeah it's worth shot the movie all he does it surprise you g money big enough like when we were driving just was telling me about the cast of jungle cruise and he goes. Yeah the guy from Big fat liar is in it. And i was like that. Maybe that's the police hobby. Justin australia compton billions. Nope sideways private force. Big fat liar. Strata common is that the one with kid from frankie muniz you get covered in blue ink. I remember that in the trailer. Yeah no that's where he's at right now. Movie was okay. Probably the fourth guy right just like a small antagonised many said that i was like i think like i think there's a big star but then again we started difference of four or five years. That makes a big difference. Yeah but he was never like a big movie star. No i mean pretty big roles after that he was a leading in that blah movie actually right tanked but it was never like he was never going to be a movie star. I suppose look who's a born harshly preps. Yeah but that's you know prime million bucks or whatever it fun go do it and leave always good. Yeah i love. Jim i got sucked like gm. The when you're trying to think of who would play this ugly guy the first one. Everyone's talking about true elo kirk. I wanna talk famous sort of hollywood casting. What if there's a lot of ones out there. I'm gone athlete voted. See you know. What's that zombie. The sound like next week to say no. This caller good chris. Paul we want to touch base good. So what is is leo in boogie nights allegedly turn that one. Don't that's true with tamaki mark. I've heard that Denzel do the mills in seven yup. I don't wanna favorite actors favorite better definitely better brad pitt in that role and the final one is matthew modine as pete mitchell in top gun. Yeah that would have been not great. Not great i. Don't use my favorite actor that he would have been better than walberg in that role probably not but he been gold. He was a physical presence. to walberg. That leah. That's right exactly. Yeah yeah is my least favorite actor like in that movie out of everybody. Everybody's eating my least favorite. Yeah i mean everyone's great net. That's the thing i mean. I'm trying to think. Who would. I mean i don't even know but we we've been good for sure but i liked. I put it this way if you give me all three over switches denzel for brad pitt. That's it is there any other famous ones that you can think of that. Would well you know this. You know what's your yeah. Harrison ford was the second choice behind tom. Selleck for indiana jones right. You ain't got time deal. I mean you know tommy lee. Jones won the oscar for right but hackman turned down that role in the future. If you've been with a fantastic tommy. Lee jones up. Turn out to be great at hanks as eighty-two frayne that was another one yeah i think there's too much fame robbins is perfect in that like almost too big for that a weird way. You know Tom cruise into the charlie sheen and wall street. The original oliver stone great book last year. I Chasing the lights fucking great book and he his original pairing was cruising in warren beatty for wall street. I don't think warren beatty with goes douglas. But crews at that point i would have been better than sheen. You been fucking great in that movie. Michael douglas is the great voice for aslis break. Oh if he get charlie sheen instead of cruise. Not you then probably don't get martin. Sheen is charlie sheen's dad martin machines martinez. The dad and wall street is all my favorite ryan. I've been going back and forth. Just doing coach from him in that movie for the last three months. We all the way to matter. Washington the whole fucking time. you know. it's great so you. I don't think more elderly might play crews dad who knows all right buddy sounds good. Thank you who is supposed to be. Pete mental who say matthew modine. Oh fuck me. Didn't okay thank god cruise. They want me over and sticking with these playing them in the sequel either. I think you're safe. Did you see that picture. You boy by the way gene hackman for it turned out the pictures actually two years old. Yeah but for ninety one. I texted to my cup by these my brother and they're like he looks like he's fucking ninety. One looks pretty good to me. People said that he looks good. But i you look like it didn't look like a picture worth being like. Hey look at this in either direction was nice to see him but like to me like the way he looks right there like you put a little makeup on them. He could still do some for two or three minutes. You said he's you cannot be down for breakfast. So he's the greatest actor would it ever compel you to quote tweet that and say this is my favorite actor of all time like julia. Louis dreyfuss doing that like hey. We're gonna miss oldies my favorite actor. It's just strange to me that she did that. Yeah just a strange thing. You stuff like that. He's my favorite actor. Your curfew for tweeting stuff made stupid shit. I replied to people quote tweet. People who make a statement like this is my favorite actor. And it's just it's just your favorite actor. Tom cruise by mile. Cocktail is just literally the perfect movie. Ripped up the check check. That's perfect those great. The great film seen at the beginning. Where you like this points at the city and then that kid is never referenced to get out wonderfully stupid. No problem. I think red thirteen. I said gladiators. My favorite movie have changed that to cocktail. Just be just confirms collins collins. Yes yes hello. I don't go to sleep with no whore. I didn't wake up. Listen he's it. He's using kid perkins back talk. Hey jerry don do more anymore quotes like that from our machine in wall street is using your kid. I don't know how cocktail pass up those quotes. Tansel had done at the bar. Walks the bartender. You never flip things it's pretty flips drinks. That's a cruise was such a monster. was that watchable. Said that's like my contest idea about the free watch the laughable coming this why you left calls where some projects longtime to get get done. I've just waiting for craig studios old while he's busy he's doing three laughable. I'm looking forward to it. what's it called. why are you. why are you left. what's up jeremiah. so Would you say wonder boys is the best movie. Music combo input out. So you've got a late may be awesome on ideal in there. No yeah Things have changed. Yes that's a great song. When the i think he won the oscar for that right like low nineties and came back with that sort of I'm currently on a boat trip right now. What are your favorite live albums. While you're driving my favorite live albums while driving i mean. It's all bruce for me. Like i don't you know i it. Does you know. I like i. Don't like young. Bruce live. Because i'm so much older than young. Bruce guy like older. Bruce live at this point if that makes any sense like i can't bruce twenty eighth sing. It just feels weird to me. I like them. Because i'm old. He's got now a for germany. Sorry joy road trip jeremiah. Road trip took that who knows is his justin's gone on. Just here's the deal okay. What's up i'm going. Nothing thank you. i'm going. I'll i'm gonna tell you where i am if you find me. Then that's fine. Ooh that's fun now. That's content if i find you then that's fine put it. Nothing happened a good observation. You help you can help me set the shelf. You find me. Okay i'll leave some crumbs interesting. Maybe that's a hint and itself cookies for cookie over a month. Not gonna treat yourself on the road. He's as national cookie day. Is that right. Yeah saying having a cookie. No that's a problem. That's that's going to be the risk on the road reading yourself. Yeah now all oh chick-fil-a or to of course you have to hello trivia. Thought in and bruce question I i'm assuming you didn't see the uptown. Football's versus case esteem rowing in i. I watched it. I watched all competition scouting. Yeah just like date. So if casey smith from not the worst know right away a big part of trivia navigating through the question to the possible answers and make an educated guess. Thank i capable of doing that. Actually incapable of doing that. She she's ships to get very nervous and then when somebody says something like well yes. There's mumford said son. She's like that's mumford. Sons kidding fireworks said she. She takes the time down to five seconds when they say what european country talking about taiwan and then she can't even name pac twelve player so my point is she's in the front row crying giving jeff daloa cocktail in the center of the doesn't celebration trysted needs to do he favorite to start to work good point and that's interesting. Casey definitely they were scoring ten points a game. They can't get questions right. She was googling as bad or worse. Trivia question no question to work in bruce question to it's a good. It's a good theory though yes it will. Eventually i was just talking about bruce. Bruce typically you kind of know storyteller Kind of the the that realm reno or talk like that. Do you have any high energy. Kinda bruce bangers that you really get excited about the ties that bind cadillac ranch here for me. I've heard them so much that it's like you know you got to hear the heard a while. Like even if they're not great like you know like I'm trying to think of one though. Qualify from the later stuff. You know like like You know. I'm a rocker. I'm fine with that you gave me. I'm going down. I'm good with that radio nowhere. Nowhere nowhere for short. know it for sure. Give me that. Ooh we can't play it. I'm so fucking stupid fumbling. I'm sure those i'm sure. That's but that's what. I would have guessed the words where you asked me to sing. Radio can't play. We could play took video down off youtube. We can't do it again for thirty seconds. They'll hit you pretty quickly. Let's take the showdown with iraq claim. Yeah they do and then they'll deep monetize it. They can't they can't tell away. Like better helps money you like. What do they do. we mean it's commercial. Read western saying we're playing a song that's owned by somebody else. They pick it up far. More people listened to the podcast and watch it on youtube. Yeah true yeah but isn't apple doing something with that. Apple's pretty extreme with that. Now i've got one. We did just me and steve. We did all the top forty songs up there. that is they. Don't i don't think they take the episodes dow check on youtube or apple or whatever if you're making ads through them then you get to monetize. Let me or more of the song good. We're good. This is radio new western states to take it out for that water to more up. Hello yeah yeah. i'm on the show. Baby you are all i got I got two categories for you. Choose from kirke. We'll see what kind of mood you're into that. Hold on for one second. Hold on hold on. i would simply say forget. I shouldn't say dot com slash kirk. What's keep you simplisave. Sambas was that. God protect yourself. I read bruce. Sounds like the south park guys. Work on it. Then you go simplisafe dot com slash perky customize. Your system. Free security camera. Sixty day risk-free trial. There's nothing to lose. You wanna make your house safer your life safer you save for your family safer. Your friend saver go to simplisafe dot com slash kirk highly trained security experts ready whenever you need them. Fire burglary medical merger evil setting up the system. There's always someone there. Have you back to keep you safe. And make sure you feel safe. Simplisafe dot com slash kirk simplisafe dot com slash today customize your system. Free security camera. Sixty day risk-free trial zero to lose. Go do it right now. Simplisafe dot com slash kirk. All right good. Goddamn reason kirkman hand. He's kreis to movie questions or to me questions on the other one the beach house that one of all right so and those for i have a good bad eighties movie. I want you to guess. But i'm only going to give you one hint. But two heads rather damage your saw george lucas film and it's got The girl from back to the future the power of the coward ugly. What do you think about holiday dot. Gray fuck and it's not a great movie. Did masturbate talia thompson that as a kid because she was in like panties at one point is i recall though she almost fucked date did masturbate to a scene with a duck in it. That is true. I would call what no not a big fan suffering tim robinson that by the way well now he's an idiot. Don't talk tim. Robinson i'm so sick. Second point was one time when you first left me i you jerry in fucking mutt and Curtis hanson before. I call encourage cancelled. Four and i was talking shit about because you're the twelve. We still number one in the city asshole and fucking hung up on me like the sense of fat drunk bitch that he is a trivia question Well now that was. The only one was a movie store and gene hackman. Gene hackman movie underrated this stealing gold call heist. Have you seen. Of course it's david mammoth. Yeah delroy lindo and dame's veto great movie. Great you bring that up. What do you want me to thank. You got you number one. The city asshole. He's last great performance. Yeah get his last question a show. It's a shame that was a courtesy. Move all here. that'd be going to the bathroom. Whatever some guy would call you could fuck. It was a touch. If you want. Fuck you yeah. Why taunt the audience. I kinda hate that. I donate in might jerry. Were not number one any city. I know that no number one not even very right after you left with jerry. I've always say that book book. When i was still there but not really finished second even that last month after i was gone once i left the cratered okay. It's just you know it's i got before. I got their jobs ranged from the toilet. And i left on the toilet. Is that annoy you. When jerry says that he got bigger ratings with dino no because there was no ninety five wants ninety five. There's only one show that's beat ninety five head to head mine. That's it yet by the way like cherry. Like always say the red sox come onto ratings back then so like e. jerry came in one day. He did this. I wish i could call montauk. Talk about this He came in one day. Input a press release from me in the office and pull up there that they were number one like a fourteen rating. He had this house from ten years ago. It says in there. The red sox have won the world series in that book and wanna super bowl book. Back with it mattered. You know it was. It was the fucking comeback year. Two thousand four did the midday show. Beat ninety when i started. I think they were. Oh yeah yeah. I think they'd beat them or tie them once. But that was because we. We were the leading russian. Obviously the stations for the winning but then they weren't put this a one time. If i took over we were the only ones that ever beat them. As it's crazy i've much. They just flipped like never looked back. It's almost nobody wants to listen to this. I would take one or two more. i patients these aid young. How we doing fine. Real quick kurt. I don't think i've ever heard you State where you come down on the highway men as a musical supergroup. I think we have talked with the highwayman you know. There's just not enough out there not enough. You know from from him. But like i like i like their stuff. I have gone to see that. Show apple eating like in the eighties. That would have gone if i was age for short. Yeah there there's one video on youtube of them at the national now so yeah it's actually on pbs. Once in a while to on those dump fundraisers and it was actually good documentary made about them. Anger ran on there as women. Maybe yeah i watched it. It was pretty good. Yeah yeah i i. I love the high willie. Nelson is still touring as we speak. Yes ninety years And secondly start by saying i don't interact with any of the minivans online's good and i'm i'm located regionally for the casey's two i presume okay If if you should need any local assistance in you know west-central annoy missouri iowa I sent conan. Dm see mikey could be helpful. Was that the was that the one. I can't remember this guy. My hotel room seems normal. Come on can swing by fuck you in the ass nigga. Jeez tracker the whole both. I seems like a nice cat. We gotta go have lunch with one day. I actually think he's asked me if i was going. I didn't think it was to help. You thought he wanted to meet me. Oh can meet you even. Maybe there's multiple people may come on by the studio. It's exciting by the way. Also the name of very boring movie die boring but disappoint my favorites potato with the housing. Costs are unnecessary. Living there. the whole time you catch these guys can do anything you interested in the story binding clyde well. What if you saw is just randomly. Sort of ryan. Observe them just like. Oh yeah. They're they are like all right to shaming me on the wrap up show for dust for touching it to the true detective seen like come on for a while yet. Oh you'll love this talking about dave masturbaters to a scene of television. Oh he's got to be the alexander d'arcy that's weird. I ain't no problem with that. I know i know. I think it's very for growed man to jerk off to a tv porn exists. If it's a. I do the celebrities. Naked woman like in the sexual sienese titillated short scene. It's not i probably wouldn't do it. She's probably twenty film kind of ruins it for me. So you never masturbate to the guy and the justin not woody harrelson. Okay but only guys are hot when you jerk the thing. I think the big thing for me is that you'd have to keep rewinding like it's not all we're looking at you. Mike hammer bragging. Nine thirty seconds. Seen them. As i recall i haven't seen in forever and she is a beautiful one night. I if you're if you're ready to go when it comes on. And maybe i'm not ready to go. But that's all i need. One soft shootin netspend is referred experience. I'm just trying to take a nap. But i just got to get out of the way straight. We'll take one or two okay with that. I grew up doing that so for me. It's a custom. We i sit as a kid. That's normal that is a forty year old. I'm not into hardcore porn. Very gentle very approved either. harvard known. That's not for me. I mean why people watch shit each other. That's fine it's hard hardcore. No i would say so but just creeps. Just dave's do and that's just your star wars. The truth probably know said. That didn't really convince one more. Be good note. Suck take several take on. How are you hit dog. You're on enough about me. Is that right. I remember very nice guy from what was that isn't a slow more. Is he make money. We were calling me. sorry about them most threes. What's uber well. I heard you guys talking earlier about losing friends for a long time and also had a movie. Gripe but i had a friend named chuck back in the day and i remember playing first base and chuck it a little ground ball and he said he was safe. I said he was out outside mobile. We got we got. We got mocha hitman. Mobile fucking moa events. One second mobile. Yes you mo- would have been so beloved if he was the first baseman those three or four teams right like he would have been like if you're still in his prime. Yeah you have been a massive star see from here originally or do you just stick around with the seton hall new all right all right. No that's right with bag. All four years i was a bag. No is my wrong. Somebody could nat go. We've got on the phone. He would know mojo's on my memory directly. Sorry guys jeff. Of course japan was now more famous for portnoy. But good speaking of costner from earlier but in the untouchables. I just don't understand like the baby doesn't get shot once. Portraits illustrated also like martha then super can cost after bouncing all those. Yeah knock that cuba's fucked for sure. Yeah no doubt yes. Thank thank you take one more day those coming. I might be thinking of someone else. I swore to move on but you buried them now. Yeah i apologize more visuals. Dave of course Immediately you know. I i'm okay with them Immediately points dave quo tweeting greatest To ever all of it with Garth brooks pro tweeting. Greatest ever do it. Garth brooks is africa sizing gene hackman. Not by julia. Drivers grazed ever do it. Vince mcmahon steve austin. That's a sarcastic thing. Today she was like seriously saying. Hey here's a picture of old man. What's the problem with them. I just think it's kind of strange. I didn't say it was a strange thing. She's also in the business. She's also you know the probably the greatest television actress of all time saying like who was your favorite actor in like probably formed. It was a reason why she's doing what she's doing. Yeah she was compelled to say it by seeing a picture. I'm a decrepit. What's the suggestion that she's doing it for twitter applause. There's some no. I don't actually. I don't know what i'm suggesting for it. At all strange law haiku. Greatest ever do it. It's complete sarka. Bit steve kerr brooks fan number one. No i hate. Oh sorry should seen a sarcasm. Dripping upset to the harry had no thoughts about bryant. He didn't care. Well he's fucking nuts you so what fucking very white is literally one of the best creators of characters in the ten years. The worst wrestlers ever seen in my life saw live wrestlemainia. Thirty and ric flair has gone to be released. So you've got big wrestling. News sipped wrestling podcast. Dave military my friend conrad thompson. Four one card mom's attic. Hello what's happening. Wouldn't you think of the movie the china syndrome. That's okay all right okay. What about what about death of many then. Okay it's my favorite director directed that roman plants correct correct. It was a good movie harvard. You go ahead. Sorry no no debussy. What missing jack lemmon. Yeah jacqueline's great actor was a great actor is a great actor you know he's dead but yeah it really is. I'm young. i kinda just discovered. Jack lemmon performance. It's not great. In the first from performance and grumpier. Old men is incredible. Yeah i haven't checked that out lot back goodbye. That era goodbye. Okay do can watch whatever you want this crisis but these kids have days. Debbie less called. What was misspelled deniro last week. Long words there's actually another typo in a two so cavalry. That wasn't that even. Hello who do podcasts. Coming up to take. I think as we speak to yeah. Congratulations hey come. Down to the dominican republic. You live like that. You're going to end up with bullet in your david from personal experience. Interesting ahead how was your experience working with jerry. You know he's been good so far You know jerry. He want to talk about john. Henry and he's massive cook and i know for a fact that john henry does not have a massive that david know they were on their yet. One time holiday. Follow me on my phone. She's david david hold on. Hold on hold on chick's broken. Whatever gaining didn't even when. I was adamant that can keep track. Of course. i'm sorry. I mean again. The way continue is okay. What happened to the fucker naming. She called me. She say john henry one peak blackhawk in vast right now. I don't think that i again. We've had this these issues before david. I can't cooperate. i. I don't know if that's true. I i believe you're a man of integrity. But jeez hey ask you a question. What are you what are you. What about this yard sale. Selling these tide pod. What's about wishes interview. Dry you know you get into say a sticky situation sometime you. He's something's yet it does. What about fifty actually You know and and you need to you and You know we made a move is much like that. move we made i'm okay. Good david not well. He's david how broadcasting live on twitter with jared right now but also calling us. It's actually savvy move. That's it wasn't him to keep the thompson does it right. It is it's I'll never forget with me and justin were standing in line. After we found out you were heading to the looney day and we see the first person leave with a wally. The green monster water now like well. I just re tweet it. So good luck to jarod. Michael see you see you next week anyway. I mean well here zych right patriot dot com slash blind mike. Thank you Dave and you guys aren't promote you injustice. Wrap up that's it. That's it just urine cameo dot com slash. How's it going. I think i made like eighty bucks. Yeah came camiel goal mike. I don't really One d do it. Yeah see charged per per pop. Take thirty five dollars or something. That's more i was. It's going to be people that really want it. God that's right you don't do it calling now it's up for me. I'm sure it's not moved. Okay uh women beyond that. We know not not sure. You norm per deals truth that good. Thank you dale for joining us. I am telling you. I think this is gonna be become thing. What's that dale is going to be hard. I'm telling you folks report radio spot. You guys are gonna have to get some more numbers. Let's show you borrow my phone last so it is amazing. How you like. I grew up with. Dale is a play by white bruins guy and i thought he was fantastic and now you just ruined it for me. I'm sorry i'm just saying it's amazing. How impactful you thought he was awesome. I thought it was great. Bruins play by play guy. Fred cusack one dale to close for that like i. Don't you know. I will say something about this the other day. Dale is was a good hockey play by play guy. He's a terrible baseball. Play by play guy terrible. He's got i don't know whether he's got to have a really listen to it. But he's got a weird voice especially for baseball. It's straits it's a weird. I mean it's better than castiglione. I guess but true. You're used to castiglione the weird way. Thanks but you're used to them. Stick details like i said. Gee whiz shit. I don't know what it is but he stinks. Well it sounds like when he tries to get you to play safe to get fired up. But yes i mean. Look the other. Kobe get like passionate. It sounds fake. Everything sounds scripted. House all forced him. who knows. I'm sorry about that dave Okay so we're back here tomorrow. Not friday gibson. Be traveling to iowa. And chris's welcome. They were just taking shot but he's welcoming so hopefully it's got two thick skin storm last week. We though ninety s while he was on that actually after fucking on. Yeah we'll see we'll talk to you man. This was pretty reprehensible. 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Cydelle Stewart, How to Simplify, Sexify, and Systemise Your Business - InnovaBuzz 416

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Cydelle Stewart, How to Simplify, Sexify, and Systemise Your Business - InnovaBuzz 416

"Welcome to the another bus. Podcast l. job is to help you. Visibility professional credibility and conviction with your ideal client accordingly human at the center of innovative marketing. So you can build and strengthen engaging enduring relationship with your ideal clients on european strauss from an overpass and honored that. You're here with me if you haven't joined our wonderful marketing. Transformation community yet go to noticeable dot c. o. And collect your free gift has well. Do subscribe to the show and also leave a review. Because it helps avas fondness. Let's get into today's masterclass on this. Podcast be really clear in your brief. What you're looking for the type of passing that you're looking for is what your values are for your business. What your brand represents a little bit of information about who you are all of these things really cheap and have an idea of budget in mind but don't necessarily dictate at this stage you know this is going to pay x. Because we are doing as a business is engaged in other businesses services. Nothing often people looking for is. I'm looking for an assistant. And they going to be an employee and then not an employee they're going to have clients. They are going to. What would you to help you achieve your goals. But they're doing so in addition to lots of other things and say you need to be re clear on your expectations. But also kevin what you're hoping to get our the relationship and also have the manage the respect that our business owner deserves. Welcome back you weeks. Been awesome so far if you haven't yet listened to my recent conversations with author and leadership consultant bruce craven and with writing and editing couch. Definitely greg grant. Why not seriously though. Go check the map after you've listened to today's conversation. I'm really excited today to have on the bus. Podcast is my guest. Sedillo stewart a business operations architect a virtual assistant mental founder of agency on it communications and a self taught old poss- ability ambassador. She makes it possible for online coaches consultants and experts to get what she calls. Slick sexy and systemized so they can to like clients increase their impact and make more money focusing on the work that lights them up process driven and passionate about excellence sydell simplifies and transforms the back office and online customer journey for her clients elevating their business from successful to exceptional clients describe her work as efficient essential transformational innovative and futuristic citing her as revolutionizing the way that therapy to business having begun her career in the corporate world of support and operation some twenty seven years ago ahead of spending the last eleven running her. Va business. Sydell has a small team and into and overview of what makes a virtual office run to optimum efficiency and a wealth of experience that gives her the inside required to set her clients up for success in ways that enable them to enjoy balance of a burn out in a discussion today sedan. Talk to me about why. You'll i hire should not be a virtual assistant and who you should hire instead. She explained to me. The virtual assistant modern set and hot set and we talked about creating client delight without further ado. Let's fly into the hive and get the buzz from sill stewart. I'm your host yongin strauss from another bees. And i'm really excited today to welcome to the end of buzz. Podcast from london in the uk said l. stewart over on it communications hence is a business operations architect and she's also self-described possibility ambassador. Welcome to the inevitable. Podcasts adele. it's a privilege my guests. thank you very much can how good thanks and Tamara liquor was out guests on episode. Three hundred and fifty. Around number of the inevitable's podcast suggested we have a conversation with usa dell and introduced of narrow as well. Yes very much percents now before. Stop token you battle things business operations and the work you do with the virtual assistance of. I'm curious about this possibility ambassador and the unique spelling of possible. So tell us a little bit about that. And what draws you in how that shapes what you do okay. So possibility. ambassador is a time the i had kittens. Late mum He fucking pasta. Way in honey sixteen. She was a woman with a disability. I would. She was an activist. Campaigner of full rights of people with disabilities uncertain. Mansur was way they are ways possibilities and he spouted hyphen ability and so it was case of society focuses very much on people's disappearances things that can't i'm that's what's highlighted the inability to do some things on happing words doesn't matter if it's pretty easy have way something that you could do something that you'll capable He facing nicknamed her a possibility ambassador. A nanny adopted name when she passed away. And that will say that. Who's from harker. I love. I love the he. I loved the reframe of that. Because you're right yeah we talk about disability and and advocates visibility and what needs to be done with disability without looking at will hang on a minute now. That's we're all in capable of doing so things fuck is on. That are on what people can do. Yes of course people have special needs and remains to be cognizant of that and how people with special needs. But i think that's a really great from of it. Yeah the harry. Catchphrase was ten in disability on his head and say she had a logo which is commonly known or pass That she used that was upside down. That was that was the way forward. And i just felt that in my have been seeing how people to focus on the things. They not so confident about or some interesting so she comes to tech. I make those things possible for them. And so that was kind of The bridge between huggies Meetings in the nineties has wadi hurricane. Yeah so you've incorporate that into the work you do said tell us a little bit about How you got in to the work you do today because lot of its around business processes and systems and also virtual assistant so tell us about how that oh hang together and how you go into that. Yeah so my background is in corporate executive cool in executive officer rations and i did that unnatural twenty seven years now very time in the Worlds are what Places with Will cost teams Very well recognized grinds hence the common thing was ways that i was solution for parents i go into an organization and take stucco weightings regarding i'm come processes before even understood were standard operating procedures price As i was away. Not and and what i found was And then i was bored agreed on to the next disease. I'm and sorry. Became a contracts executive assistant because i like the challenge of starting that journey each time coming solution handing over inside okay. We're done now. Nothing else is challenging. Convenient executive assistant from a from any support for people secretario He found quite I was always looking for something else to china's inside meaning coming events homeless which is age in august tourney. Eleven it was to support independent end. Paying is mutually that was pine creek. I was racking move as i had a full moon back by myself. And so what was using my skills copper blades. Some training public relations to support independent ends. Hannibal's were management of performing careers. And then over time. It wasn't viable. I was working artists. He had great garros much cash. And sorry yeah it wasn't. It wasn't a long time and i kind of russian savvy. Space is why found in terms of in as virtual assistant is often people which earned say armored wilms mistrust. ow. I need help and support for. They didn't know with star on edgy. What i need unity Lyles the actually welcome conventions wasn't quite where they were and so identified. Actually your first harsh. Be a virtual system your fast highest. She'd be systems specialist Your business infrastructure. She'd be way to go. Nets will man here. I think that's A realization that most businesses dot com to straightaway but my experience has been a lot of businesses put on virtual assistance. Then at some point per few weeks months aside now. This isn't working on that which is better off doing it myself. And then nisi will mutual assistance remote assistance star work. And i always get back to that and and those sort of questions that you just For for their oscar will. How do you work with them. You have systems and processes to have manuals that help them follow heavy and manage them and all those kind of things so And and often will come back and say well. I mean creative spice. I run a creative agency systems. Were just hand hamper my creativity. What is that the people that come back inside. I'm really need to have systems documented. I'd say that's not true. Firstly ultimately as creating ourself atmosphere. I get it just a free flow Not hampered by having things systemized way. But i would say that but still said is not you and if a good place today strength simone moreau's which is why we're working rations. You have lots of different people. That different instance table have one passing. That does the operations because marxists Does greg zion. Does copywriting have one passing in the basic things because just want you have different people to groom Create hit say. I don't need you don't need to business. Needs systems move. The business needs to schools in the fridge functions jet to be created a more having a virtual system do is free you to get things that light you off you enjoy. While stay focus lies danger and that she will never insane highwood ways recommend didn't going to be open to the idea of has Initially secret benefit. And then they'll see once they have the systems business how that can change how they work. And they'll be less sceptical. Yeah well i've got a really good example. And i just did this About hoffa now before we got on the coal and it's an activity that i do once a month. So one of our clients. sends out an email newsletter. And he wants to have it published on the web on his website and looking on his website. It's obtain steps to do that But it's not immediately ensure these how to do that because of the why he called his his newsletter so that this kind of ten steps involved and i did it about three times and each time i thought headed to this loss. Tom again and i would spend probably an hour to do this activity. Because i'd be having to try to remember. What did i do lost on an figure. It data getting it essentially redesigned process h. Time because long on and at some own also this is ridiculous Wrote down the steps. So i had these ten steps now hoffa now before we jumped on the call here. I found his newsletter in my inbox in august. Do that and it took me five minutes instead of an hour so just following the steps and then of course the next step is you've just mentioned. There is a canal handed off. Because i know process is easy on oregon handed off to somebody else because of the process. Who find that often who really know how deduction impersonate. They searched by the time he cool in business especially when they went for themselves. Some time for it because everything is have time for that. I don't have time for that time. What do you have time for. You have time for success cable. Six takes time and it says tate's preparation and so if you're going to bring somebody else into a team you need to prepare them for success not for failure so by bringing them in and expecting them to the unicor. He's just magic Because they have organizations skills. Experience feels reasonable. You wouldn't expect anybody else in any role in your business to just instantly awards do but there's this perception net sukur professional. Some howard is gonna come in. Which just not i recommend if you on shore has definitely processes because it just feels right. Were you something to sink was recruiter in just capture. Your screen walks geology. in because that's ultimately guy kiss somebody else to pay peru's High says to what could make him build on that having some fools with important. Yeah that's great advice. And i was just gonna austerity about who should be writing the processes because my One of the approaches. I take is an this is with a team that have been working with me for a long time. So i style. I know i know the values that are. They're aligned with the values of the company culture. And i neither clients and so on but i tend to For new crisis. Tend to do exactly what you said to. The screen share has a minimum. And say you know his his the outcome that we're going for his how i do it And you take this and run up the process for that. And i know that it doesn't have to be the way i do it. As long as the outcome is what we what we need and you know i i might clear to them that they free to improve that process as they go along and often often all do it the first time figuring this out. I'm doing the screen recording. I'm figuring this out. His the akmal. One is how i'm gonna do it And on recording the first time. Because i don't wanna do it again even though even. I don't know how to do it as it was Yeah i probably could do it a few times more to learn the proper way to do it or learn a better way to do it. But i actually delegate that part as well yeah. I think that's really key to that. And your unease about like you'll be saying i'm not one hundred percent certain given hey by the outcome That's really empowering. 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How is not just doing some. Just do this follow this. That's exactly as i and then open to somebody. I didn't Insurance or their suggestions in that doesn't work so what if somebody's going into an arrangement to high the iso two gray is on that team. What are some of the steps. That should be doing to pay for that. Who good kristen. I think that One of the key things that he needs to do a brain graham while having these things ahead especially if you run your business on your own numbers years is easy to just not how things and it's not raise apparent to somebody else. Why what you like in terms of testing games on. It's not a ways today. What will outcome as if you haven't explained visa. This tossed is to get this hour calm than what can happen. These people just moving blind date. So i think one of the first things that i recommend is a brain exercise way. 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In basis right dates day we can start to get picture on how much time that fires which is going to help if you're hiring process. And then i would suggest that you use the information around harping terms those types of us and number of hours a rough estimate of how much time a month she needs support to then come up with a brief that you could get out into public name to help you engage the right hassen and i would suggest that somebody that. In a virtual assistant forms lots of as online has gluten for example Do attaching its net. Just a regular search. But that's a loss of results that even going gonna have to fill a phrase. He needs to be very. You're looking for so. I find that the best way to advertise looking for va issues. A form I recommend something like if able or notion to us as the they capture an very very specific questions he region claim your You're listening for the type of passing that you're looking for is what your values off your business. 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You have to build that relationship from ambuhl. Trust for the passenger phil actually. Hey can rely on me that you believe in yourself. You got to believe that. He has an impact and not comes from what he has the business to get into seeing what is abou who they are. What their priorities are what they're trying to achieve this year. This four this moms and having the insight in that way starts to help you to position yourself as to business this but also gives you an emphasis for Because you can see where it's having an impact on going and just handsome some. Who gave you a hostage. Just did it in job. When you have a job you'll give us. You don't understand the bottom line. Don't know what difference your tossed in a department in a company of unin free thousand zone. You have any insight. Have your implements the difference but when you are with the business owner and maybe just the Or maybe a smooth team of less than ten people. You really get to see how your import late differences the bottom line. Get to see how will implement. Stiffest the passan's day day life family life balance. You get to see how it makes a difference to cheeses to focus them with their time versus what you'll find simone on niagara and all of that has really empowering effect on your your mindset to work eugene day today unpack there. I really liked the hot focus on you. Know what are you passionate and also the what you said. At the end there in terms of seeing the impact having on the on the business sell on the person who working for on their life. Because i think that's at the end of the one of the things that must be Some point on on different than others. So there are times where i think our remember that businesses here to serve me and a loss stalin one but not other iran not adjust my lifestyle the of businesses and so i lucky i remind myself evadne hear anybody. That's working with me whether it's another reason supply locked eyes or whether it's a shame i have to make sure that they also in the sidebar. Yeah yeah it's really important. I mean like he said the business living impacts people's lives in doing. Now it used to be able to. Stephen king's enjoy upper west point. We might as well own what somebody else and just crooked and krakauer fun. yes now. that's fun who spent dick it. Macabre enough of that one of the things. You talk about Is creating an intentional. Client experience so tell us a little bit more about what main by that and and how you go about that. Yeah that's one of my favorite inside. I am creating claims lights and you facing this kind of person. Taking from being a browser to vr by having really intentions stats from first touch. Point that not Has revealed business. So i know that he's for his own possession in addition she Action deliver so by making sure he knew shallow professionally that your information is away. 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She hurt taking care of some of the time she was very clear. What yes that patient was. How ruben spending time on the cool and she had respected her time And she said she was a great experience. Enough had that happen crushing time since in so it made me feel confident in my purse and with her sister act requires that i work with is just helping then to have experiences where their potential clients or nearly found cohen to say wow. That was quick. That was easy. And then i came up with the phrase sick sexy insists them is because that was the those are the words that kept coming up. That was so. Yeah so yeah. Yeah yeah i love it. And i think there's so much great stopping in what you shave around the whole experience in all the different touch points and i must admit when you started off with Icon on the sandwich. Contact cool so thinking about contact forms online now. I've actually got a system like you describe. 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Hasta Pronto

Venezuela: Crisis y Esperanza

13:47 min | 1 year ago

Hasta Pronto

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Episodio 009 - Burnout o Fatiga Laboral Por qu sucede?

Otro Boleto Podcast

36:23 min | 5 months ago

Episodio 009 - Burnout o Fatiga Laboral Por qu sucede?

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Gary Tanguay Interview: Bring James Harden To Boston

Bob Ryan & Jeff Goodman NBA Podcast

36:10 min | 10 months ago

Gary Tanguay Interview: Bring James Harden To Boston

"I'm gonna take it Jus Legends in basketball analysis with over 70 years combined experience. This is the bar Brian and Jeff Goodman podcast NBA some college little bit of everything. You know, what can I say, but it wasn't what happened here with him. I was like okay with it because it wasn't about talented anything. All right, let's get right to it are welcomed into another episode of the Ryan and Goodman podcast. I'm Jeff Goodman. He's Bob Ryan and the other good-looking fellow down. There is none other than Gary Tanguay and Gary, please do have you on first of all and how you doing unemployed, but but you look great. Well, thank you. Yeah, everything's going off Jeff. I just I just feel so naked because I just have my wall in the basement and Bob Ryan is the Boston Public Library behind him and you have like the Pottery Barn Doors behind you so long Do I have these good man? It's it's all good. It's it's play. Mr. Mom. And it's been fun. First of all, how is your health Gary? How you doing? You look you look great job is Lee. Listen for me. You'll always be somebody that I treasure because not only of our friendship, but how much you helped me to get into this business and I don't think a lot of people know that bath you stuck your neck out there for me when nobody knew who the hell I would nobody still knows who the hell I am. But yeah, yeah. Yeah, but honestly, I mean that sincerely you've been one of the people along with Bob that has been incredibly gracious with your time over the years to somebody that was breaking in the business. So more importantly. How's your health? I'm good. That Dana Farber of office workers, you know, Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. I was very very fortunate and I'm good just scans a clean and everything's good. So and and dead. I think Bob will agree after talking fifteen minutes with Jeff Goodman. It was easy to know that the guy had the goods I agree. All right. Yep. Can you read more jobs? Where do we start Bob with with tangly grilling Tanguay. I want to start with this because I know you guys disagree on this completely Gary wants join for James Harden really wants to the Celtics to get James Harden here. Bob is so anti this this deal. You wouldn't believe it's I'm just going to like open the floor to you to knucklehead arguing pro and con of James Harden to Boston Gary the floors you want. Yeah, if I could start I'm no match for the Hall of Famer and I can certainly understand Bob's trepidation with James hard does not play defense James Harden pretty much does everything the game of basketball the Bob Ryan absolutely cannot stand so I am not surprised at that. But here's my feeling right now is dead. I think hard makes the Celtics better than what they are right now. I think with Doc Rivers becoming the coach of the Sixers. I think with Washington getting better. I think with Miami finding my identity. I think the Celtics are right now the 4th of fits best team and I don't think that Tatum and brown are enough right now. And I don't know if they ever will be I would love to have those two guys here take the shelters to a championship, but I got to tell you guys I think the window is closed is crazy as that sounds I think the East is so tough. The Kyrie thing in the Gordon Hayward think didn't work out and I think that Tatum and brown aren't enough to compete in the East the waves Kosta to the right now and I think hard he gives you a better chance to win. I don't think that James Harden would make them substantially good enough to win a championship. First of all, they get them you have to give up something. Yeah. What are you planning on giving up to get him? And when it's all said and done that the the new roster will make you any closer than where you were you're going to have to give up a lot. Yeah, you can give us a call. We're going to have a brown you're not talking about Tatum. We know that but you're talking about Brown and smart right and ground at least Brown. And yes, and we all know that the the real life would be the deal-breaker Romeo Langford Marcus Smart. Jaylen Brown, I would do it. I think you need buckets. I think we fall in love with our own players. I also I you know, I mean does James Harden make them a shoo-in win the championship? No, it does not but I think it makes them a more entertaining and being more competitive in the entertaining you get me wrong. It's exactly why I don't want him ultimately. I don't want to be stuck watching double trouble trouble trouble trouble trouble trouble trouble trouble step back 3 jumbo jumbo jumbo jumbo jumbo jumbo jumbo, go to the basket and breathe down to the foul line all night long. And by the way, I figure something out. These assists that mysteriously appear each night, you know putting one year when he led the league. What he's done is surreptitiously bribe every scorekeeper in America too bad the stats at the end of the night because you say where do those assist come from? I never saw them and you know what cuz you didn't now we're worried mrs. C Theory. I love it. I understand but I guess I mean both of your ends here, here's what I'll say. Here's what I'll say if if you could get James Harden for Jalen Brown and not have to give up Marcus Smart. I mean, I mean I would do it. I'm not a believer in Jaylen Brown like most people I think dealing fantasy good fourth option offensively on a team that could go deep. I don't think he can be your number two guy. So James Harden and Jayson Tatum would be fun to watch. I think they would be better. I'm not sure either scenario gives them a championship. The scenario that gives them a championship is a healthy Kemba Walker and adding another piece and you're not there. That's the only way this team has any chance of getting to the NBA finals is if Kemba Walker is close to a hundred percent and now you've bolstered your your your your your bench with Jeff Teague, you've added Tristan Thompson. I like that. I still think they're they're one more. I'm not sure are Ernie Smith is ready guys. I mean, he could shoot the hell out of the ball, but wage. Let's see him do it at the at the NBA level before we anoint him. They still need another guy off the bench. They can go get Buckets right TX that ultimately have canvassed completely healthy limbs. I rolled the dice. I would do it if it were jingling Brown and and maybe something else whether it's patched or something like that for Hardin. I roll the dice and see how that worked out. Yeah. I don't think the problem is Jeff I do if you could do it without giving up smart, but you just test the something. I'd like to get your ticket Bob Shake on it like Kemba Walker saying to me that's a huge problem. I mean to either one of you guys think that he's got anything left cuz I'm not so sure he doesn't I sit there and I love the guy Class Act, you know, just a good dude and just the best but like I'm sitting here I go dizzy really fit with the other two off. And was he just a very good player on a bad team and now he doesn't really fit with the Celtics a because I don't think there's enough basketball is to go around for the three of them and be as he ever got to be healthy again. I think it's a lot more be. All right. Let's see all kidding aside about Harden we can seriously analyze them. I just had to get that off my chest. Okay? Yeah, that's fine. I got it. We took it off you guys are I mean I was going to say what about if everything that we're talking about depends on a healthy walk or how far they can go there's no question about that and I don't know the answer do we know what we're going to get out of have? No we do not know. I don't I like them a little more. I think though it seems to me than you do in terms of how good he really was here when he was playing. Well now I think you I think I don't think there's a a fit problem because that would imply that there's an attitude problem with me with any of the others or they Tatum or brown. I don't think so. I think Irving was a problem for them, but I don't think Walker is I think they Embrace that and walk around and and every which way so I don't think there was a a Fit club. With Walker, I think it's a fitness spotmatic. You know, I think it's easy healthy or not. And if he's not then there's a limit to what they can accomplish. There's one other thing. We don't know what we're going to get. Maybe we can lucky with those two books and don't forget Pritchard. You know, that could have been a sneaky grade pick at the bottom of that draft. It's a backup point guard. He's fine is is a backup point guard. He's different than want to make her but ultimately listen Peyton Pritchard song Smith. You can't count on them for much as we saw last year for Romeo Langford, right? I mean, I know but like but Geoff Langford, is he healthy yet? I mean anyone walking Haasz award. I can't do that. Anyway, nothing that base anything on to meet other even in Indiana. I mean, it's amazing. What supposed to be played High School? I mean, seriously, I understand what I once thought so I'm not I'm anxious to see it. I want to see what he can provide, you know, okay, but I'm maybe a little more blindly optimistic that needs my like Campbell. Listen, I think Kimba Gary when we woke. Kimba the first half of last year. He was damn good remember he was making threes. He had some games where he was terrific. I just don't think he was healthy and and to me if he's a hundred percent temperature second best choice Ernestine. He's better than Jaylen Brown. He's not the defender, but he's a much better offensive player than Jaylen Brown. It's not even close. Well, here's the conundrum. I mean, what's the stat that we heard last year the Celtics were something I'm I'm For the sake of a the example is like 22 in one or something like that when Jaylen Brown Jayson Tatum scored twenty points and one right and then so I kind of felt that Kemba and I like brown a little better than you do. I mean not as much as others like like if you I don't think he's I don't think he's like a true All-Star. I think Jaylen Brown is a very good player that he's a little bit better than a 45 I get what you're saying, but do you know does Kemba prevent brown from becoming the player or reaching his max potential? That's what I wonder, you know, everybody talks about the big three and you know, there's all kind of a same guy in some I mean they all look the score they over like to shoot from the perimeter. Um, but it's like just what I don't know boss had spoken and they never really have right. I mean it was off which can be actually help you with Brad who's healthy and vice versa, right? I think the bottom line there is they all look to shoot from the perimeter because Brad Stevens allows that encourages that that's not Jalen Browns game. That's never been tailing Browns game. It's the same here. Even Kemba like he's not a great shooter. We know that Tatum is the one great shooter of the three the team is best in transition when Campbell's healthy and pushing the ball and Jaylen Brown is out wrong and Tatum can play Any Which Way like I don't care you play Slow play Fast play the YMCA play whoever Jayson Tatum is going to be one of the five best players on the planet in a year or two. I hope so I hope so, there's no doubt in my mind he could score in every which way he showed his passing ability. He was tougher. He rebounded a higher level again. Bob knows this I can go on a track team about Jayson Tatum. I'm probably not the most objective human being about him, but I really do believe he's mine is your number one guy? You don't have a number to right now. You don't have a number to like canvas. Not a number two until he shows he's back and I think maybe neither one are maybe Kim and Jaylen brown or like, you know to wage to be or 3 and 3 be whatever you want to call it. But unless kambiz healthy. It doesn't matter this team is going nowhere. Well, no, we're you know that and I wear know we're in the playoffs know we're deep like maybe they can win first-round matchup. And that's it. Now, hopefully before the playoffs he's back closer to 100% off doing the right thing because ultimately if you're finished third in the East or seventh in the East it's not going to matter if you don't have a healthy come but you have no chance of winning the East so I am healthy. I am not as giddy about some of these other teams as a either of you. I don't think the team that the potential not won't say colostrum potential monster is Brooklyn, you know, okay if I mean the dixville notch Returns on opening night where that that off Durant it's going to be fine and and and Kyrie went 749 from the floor in this game by the way start off as a little you know, I mean if they're going to play a game Potential they're going to be really good. They've got a a decent enough auxiliary cast. I think if there if all those other guys heads are in the right place and they worship at The Shrine of the two big stars. You know, now if they if they go and make the move for hardened which means they disrupt the alternate that that's a hold and now we have another discussion which will have you know, they shouldn't make the move for her what they got. They should not you know, they're not going to be tough. There's no doubt because I just but everybody else everybody else always better on paper or luck with a address there shooting needs to rethink, you know off but Simmons is still going to be Simmons, right? It's not going to magically transform Simmons into something that he doesn't want to be. I don't know I like I mean, how long is Miami they're good, but then I'm not afraid of them Jeff and Gary. I'm not afraid of Toronto. I respect them both believe me, but I'm not afraid of him. I don't think there's a Colossus I think the one potential job. I want I don't want to use it too is Brooklyn but I think everybody else you can they're as good as on paper. They weren't Blown Away by Mammy and I and they didn't have you know, what they haven't had Jeff we talked about and it'll say didn't have a anything off bench and it had that problem in the middle. Maybe they've addressed that problem in the middle to a degree with Thompson, maybe not we'll see but I and one other thing I just got to get this a mounting the soapbox now, I I guess I'm hopelessly in love in a bromance athletic sense with Marcus Smart. I think you totally under rate the fact that they have something nobody else has there is no facsimile in the National Basketball Association for Marcus Smart. Don't bring up any other name of hustling midsize guy. There is nobody like the components that's odd that this does this end of this nobody like the plays the game the way he does and they've got him and nobody else does and I don't underestimate that I think Marcus wage I've done a one-eighty on him because his first two years. He drove me crazy with bad shots. I agree everything you said on Marcus, but I don't know if he's enough now Bob. That's the thing. You still need stars and buckets. And I don't know if Tatum in brown or enough if you have to give up smart to get something, you know, I'm okay with that. Here's my thing is when you talk about the Celtics and where they are. On paper. Yes. I did not like what I saw in the bubble. Now. I think we have to take a look at the kovan situation and we gotta kind of throw it out the window, you know, I thought bomber was an idiot from the clippers for getting rid of dog. I mean last year as far as trying to keep a teen's head on straight. I mean good luck with that. Right, but I do wonder if the Celtics are starting to tune out Brad it took eight years guys Bob, you know, I think Larry said to you after 3 years, we stopped listening and I love Brad Stevenson. I think the coaches love Brad Stevens. I don't know if players love Brad Stevens. That's what I'm working. Love them. I just don't know if if again they have that respect form in a sense of of that. He can really motivate them and he can like push the right buttons. I think he knows one button to push and I'm not sure again. Sometimes you gotta jump guys. Sometimes you get to get up up in them. And that's never going to be Brad Steve Jobs. That's in and to me it's not just Brad. So this is Bob. There's nobody else in the staff that can do that. Like go get a veteran guy that everybody respects that can really jump these guys and get on them and be the bad guy cuz that's not Jay larranaga. That's not Jerome Allen. None of these guys. So not even Turner What's that? Not even sure, right? Yeah. I mean everything's going to be a player turned coach now like he's oh that's not going to be his role. I mean, I love Evan Turner. I think it's going to be a really good coach someday. But yeah, I think you're right to some extent. The only male say is getting rid of Hayward probably solves a few issues Dynamic, you know, that that he caused not off to his, you know through his own, you know doing like wasn't his fault, but but Gordon obviously Brad was trying to play him two years ago and get him minutes and get him. And I think a lot of players resented that there's no question at that did not work out the way anyone dreamed know it everything about the whole Haywood thing starting with the first five minutes of it just seemed like it was scripted to go wrong in Boston. And so, you know, they're years, right it didn't and yet and yet we saw glimpses, you know, the teased us so badly. I know the second half of last year leading up to Rudy gobert night, you know, March eleven when the world changed forever for us that it did work at nights and he did facilitate the home and move that ball. He was the they're bad. It's too bad. We never got work at times. He he dropped in a 30-point game here. And there you saw I said, this is it, but obviously the continuity that was never there office. I mean, imagine having all four of those those guys healthy at the same time. Yeah. That's a woman last year, right imagine again. I think Brad got a lot of heat wage. Cuz they underachieved per what people thought they were going to do in the bubble, but they actually overachieved per what people thought they were going to do in the preseason last year and then you just didn't have a healthy Gordon or Campbell. Yeah, it was I mean last season was just to me to touch up to navigate. The one thing. I do want to I want to I feel Danny Ainge and Jeff you might be plugged in on this. I don't know if Bob has any more moles at the Garden but I feel Danny ages got a bad rap on not making a Gordon Hayward deal to the Pacers. I mean, I kept hearing all my body's on sports radio, you know, and I we know who we're talking about. I love me some faggy and man's they entertained the hell out of me when they start jumping all over range for this. I mean guys help me go you telling me that if Danny age could have traded go back in some sort of deal for Miles turn it you wouldn't have done it. Of course, of course, you would have done it. I just don't think it was there and I think most admire wanted to go to Charlotte for the for more money. I just think Angels getting a bad rap on this month. No, I would agree with that a hundred percent and I can't wait till we asked Gordon Hayward and about two months how he likes playing with with? Lamelo ball? I can't wait till I'm done box does pass it listened right now? Everybody loves lamelo cuz his his passing ability his court based in his ridiculous. It was good as long as there's if not better but just wait till he starts Jack in the threes not guarding anybody, you know Daddy's already yelling now about the Pistons waving. Liangelo. He gave him a free lottery pick like I've seen liangelo enough guys, like you can barely play overseas barely. Come on. What are we doing here NFL football continues on this week, which has a few surprise teams at the top of the standings. You might not be at a game this year, but you could still be in on the action at BetOnline no matter how schedules change or off. Thursday play bet online is going the extra mile to make sure that you can get in at every game this season with the fastest updated odds in the industry. They're always more options to wager than anywhere else on BetOnline had about online online today and take advantage of all the great mid-season bonuses offers and contests been online your online Sportsbook experts. All right, let's let's move on. Can we move on to our favorite our favorite player Bob? And that is Kyrie who cannot stay out of the headlights. You can't do it. He tries. He says he's going to boycott the media wage. I applaud him for that because we don't have to listen to his garbage trying to backtrack backtrack already. I mean the best thing for me always is when when I record the congery, you know diatribes and listen back and this goes back to me interviewing him at Duke even and listen back for twenty minutes and you'd be like, I have no home. What he's saying like ever I have no idea what this dude is trying to say and some days. She's great and other days, he's he's Moody as hell and that was the big knock from a lot of the team's former teammates that I talked to was Kyrie was they never knew which Kyrie they were going to get so they're walking on eggshells some days. He's awesome best. He made ever other days are coming the locker room and he said he would be like a bear to deal with but anyway, he does this media boycott where he says last week that he's he's just going to I think talk through social media supposedly, you know saying I do not doubt upon everybody thought that meant the media then he comes out yesterday on Monday. No. No, I didn't mean the media I didn't and I'm going to talk because I was fine 25 Grand. I don't want to keep losing 25 Grand. So yeah, I'm going to talk to the media now. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, of course it was talking about the media, you know, we're not that dumb that you know that we couldn't figure it out. You know my repetitive the three things about Kyrie Irving right one is not as smart as he thinks he is and and and and to is that page searching and agnostic. He's searching for something and doesn't know what it is because to this day he never told us specifically the world why he left Cleveland, we know what we think we know we figured it out. And you know, if you wanted his own show, we didn't want to somehow it didn't want to be beholden to the king. But and you know, and he's got one hold over the king. He made the biggest shot of the decade, you know, you did we give him credit for that and and I'll never not get rid of that shot one a championship and he did it and and know I'd find but you know, then of course he insults LeBron and and the famous podcast which he says he didn't put his kid and you know about the plan finally got to play with somebody else that can make a big shot or whatever. It was the exact phraseology. Anyway, he he said fascinating study a psychological study a noun We just proceeded boy is he good he gets in a basket of his size as well as anyone who's ever and he is really talented Beyond, you know argument but is it worth putting up with him? I don't know what we're going to find out by branching. You're in Brooklyn. It's a damn shame. You know, it's I'm with Bob. He is such a great player. I mean he is so beautiful to watch. I'm at the point where I don't care what he says I hear what he does. I mean he's I think Bob said it right he's searching for something and and I don't really care. I just want him to play ball. You know, I just want to see good basketball. I mean that's at the point now. Do you know where we can't leave our house as much we just want to see get like, you know, I know it's at the basketball like the page. I just want to see good football games. I want to see Cam Newton. I watched Patrick Mahomes. I mean, you know, I I will watch Highway in the Nets because they'll Austin to play he's just so great to watch when he wants to play. So just play ball man, cuz it's a damn shame cuz before he knows it could be gone and he's not going to be remembered for what he did on the floor when he could do was going to be horrific for this show. He's created a Persona Andorra an image a cartoon figure for us to change its leading cartoon figure which over unfortunately overshadows the fact that he really can play and he can play there's no employed the work the word I use with Kyrie shoes. Condescending that's what he is. That's what he is to the media and the media little while to figure that out. I told a lot of the local guys when he first got here I said, hey just and he took early for the first half of that first season in Boston. He kind of told me like, oh, he's great to deal with us and just just wait just wait like it's coming at some point when things don't go well and and that's what I'm afraid of with Kevin Durant. It's like, it's great right now. It's the honeymoon. Right you love somebody that you haven't necessarily worked with right. They're great to deal with once a while. You play the song A Team here and there whatever now you're dealing with them every single day and I mean cover even backtracked remember right? Then he said we don't even have a coach in regards to Steve Nash. He's a basically kind of apologize for that one yesterday that you know, he explained what he was talking about which at the time I saw what he was talking about it I said, you know your full you know what but okay, but but now he's dead. Now that he's actually in the company of Steve Nash and he's is backing away from that one already. That's the other thing. He just he just keeps talking and talking and talking and as you as you outlined for us beginning, you know, what twenty minutes later. What do we have here? You know cuz he just isn't as smart as he thinks he is and and and and you know, what your hate to say it cuz again, it comes across wrong, but like just play boss just play ball at this point. When at the highest level do what you have to do less is better when you talk after a game talk about the game talk about how much you don't take shots at your teammates. Number one don't take shots at your teammates, right? You've done that in several places. Now you did it in Boston that kind of ruined the chemistry and pissed off Jalen Brown and some of them young guys. Don't do that in in Brooklyn where you've got some like Caris LeVert is like the best kid in the world like such a good kid and and he's coming into his own home. She going to be watching the Kyrie and Katie show know cuz she's the one that they do make the play for hardened. His name was front and center here and then when he both but who would who has more value Caris LeVert or Jaylen Brown? I had I'd like to see more Levert. I you know, I do eat in New York papers every day. I'm you know took me to post and and I'm aware of how good I'm not I'm not fully aware of how good he is and can be but you know, I have to acknowledge. It could be better than brown better offensive Lee better offensive move in general. I mean consistency consistency is jealous them playoffs with these birds, but we don't see it every night. Yeah, I think the thing if you're Houston right now, you know, it's just a matter of time before You've Got A Deal Harden, right? So you got to get the best young player and picks that you can and now you're locked into John Wall, but I want to know where it came from guys. Like I remember reading a couple of weeks ago to James Harden wanted to play with John Wall set up on this thought you said that and how how did that change can say? I don't know do not know what he wrote it right somebody maybe you know that I read that in my well no, I mean maybe it's maybe it's not hard as decision. You know, maybe Euston said look, I don't want both of you guys, you know, I mean and they need to start putting better pieces around wall. It's probably the team's decision cuz I don't know if I'm out of the Rockets. I don't know if I want both of those guys. You know, I'd rather try I really try to trade hard to get some other players. Now I read today, you gotta another not fully contented player in PJ Tucker. He's got a contract issue apparently in I love PJ doctor like oh God on the Celtics and PJ Tucker's in the block and I got Marcus Smart and PJ Tucker. I'm going to I'm going to win every fight. Number one. Like I never lose that fight with those too. So in PJ Tucker, trust me, you don't need Brad Stevens to be the bad guy. He'll hold everybody accountable. They need that right? They cut off Harding going to go. What do you guys think? I mean Jeff. What are you hearing of what on Hardware do you think he ends up? I mean listen, I don't think Phillies going to part with Simmons or a trampede. I think you should go to Milwaukee like to me I would throw whatever you've got out of in terms of young assets. They don't have a ton. That's the problem. But Yiannis and Harden fit together. Better than any of these other like hardening Tatum don't fit together. Great. They don't they both need the ball. They both need to score like Yiannis and hard and I think would fit together the best and you know, like if it works, maybe maybe that allows you to keep you honest or it's going to blow up in your face one one or the other you're going to know like even be honest is going to love it or absolutely hate playing with James Harden, which I wouldn't shock me because again, I don't know how anybody can love playing with James Harden. I don't you know, how I feel here. We know I know I'm actually I put myself in a position. I don't know how he's he's not fun to play with but somehow all kidding aside. He doesn't mind up. Well these assist every night and I you say yourself. Where did that come from? I don't remember you don't remember which is I guess a tribute to whatever it is and he is there's nobody quite like them and double triple and somebody's wide open and finds nine of those or seven of them. Night that that he gives it up the other forty. He's not giving it up. He's lifting no one talks about Shifting the The Narrative on him a little bit just because he is such a fascinating singular figure. He is fascinating singular figure in the history of this leg which by the way celebrating his seventy-fifth anniversary this year and I don't have much to talk about that in terms of you know, you know Milestones so kind of thing we we made a big to-do out of fifty but wage. Anyway, this guy he's little league in scoring three straight time. I'm getting this this anybody who said the typical that kind of career Arc. He started out as a son he started out as an Expendable person. They had a choice and and and they traded him and kept Serge Ibaka now now nothing against Serge Ibaka, who's you know, but I mean, he's not going the whole thing. Yeah. Let's be honest So Long Point is Des Arc of his where how we worked himself to worry is for where we started out in this league. I think though he was a fifth-round pick in the draft. Is that right? You have something like that? Yeah, but still he was assigned bought a good job. Granite but what he's done it. Is it maybe a unique art? I don't know how many other players have wind up being anything remotely approaching and 3 time scoring champion and having faith that he does that started out the way he started out that didn't come in, you know right off the top as a star. So I mean it's amazing thing but he's done before we let you go Gary. Is this the the end of the Patriots are we going to see more of this like the the eighty eight seven and nine so yeah. Yeah. I think I think that yeah, I think I mean looks spell check and just actually Bob's could chime in on this cuz I've been thinking I've had some time to think fellows, you know, Bill Belichick is the coach. You have to say he's the greatest coach in all of sports. You you simply these things are back though. It pains me. Just say Phil Jackson. I mean, I don't know you go Casey Stengel Scotty Bowman, Belichick. Is that guy? Right? I mean you could I mean what he's done as a coach is amazing, but what people forget is when he got here in two thousand. He had a foundation that was already laid of McGinnis ruski Thailand lawyer, milloy and that got him going when they want to know one. They were able to build on that and then he was able to get veterans to come here and less money to win and he just and and of course he got like we would get paid. I mean everybody knows that the GM got lucky with Brady Bill the GM was lucky with Tom build a coach with smart. Everybody knows that I'm not the first one to say it. I don't think Belichick has it to rebuild this organization and I just I don't think plus I don't think he's going to coach to lose like seventy-three seventy-four. So I think the crafts have to figure out you know, who's next Bills. Awesome. He's great, but Robin jome. Going to have to be you know who on that piece of paper. Is it John Robinson from Tennessee, but we going to bring it for able I don't think Josh is the guy but they have to think about who's going to be the next guy. I think I do and I'm not a jerk. I just think that's life. You're right. You're listen, that's been Belichick's Mo over the years right like to make money to to not be in this situation. He's been able to do that through all these years. It's the same thing. If you're crap, like you don't want to be sitting there at the altar like with nobody you you better somebody a plan I think variables the guy for me, but I don't buy them. I love it. But I think you need you know, I think you need you gotta bring the front office to you know, this I think you need a pretty good team of front-office guys. I don't think you can do the almighty just one dude runs everything but you know, I think that's tough to do. I have one quick question though for my movie friend Bob Ryan Bob. Have you watched Queen's Gambit on Netflix? I have not. I'm sorry. He's dead. She loved your assignment. Mr. Right. So would your lovely wife and binge it get your favourite beverage it is awesome. Okay. All right. I know there's so much out there my God, you know seeing it all by now. Are you kidding? He said no. Oh my God, you can't assure, you know, everybody's name at the supermarket. I know everybody's name at the bank. I should really get Netflix and HBO. Let's make last night but you what bank bank? Oh, how's that? How's that? It's fascinating. The writing is superb. And of course, it's about a girl who write Herman my carryover. Yeah, but the point is Gary Oldham. There's a if that's not a nomination then you know, that's a nomination right there to me what he did but the writing is is fantastic script writing the the the one-liners that he is delivered that he is given to deliver and he delivers them. Let me tell you he's where it's it's so he's totally worth the price of admission, you know all by himself and his mood I just accompanying story in a New York Times today picking apart the stock the actual historical accuracy of them because you know you would you led to believe this is a documentary kind of film. It's it's a classic mixture of fact and fiction about the writing of the the writing credits of Citizen Kane and and and that's been a subject of dispute since 1941 when the movie came out. Who gets the credit Orson Welles or Macos and to what degree? This is the whole story, but wow is old them fantastic. I highly recommend it anybody who loves language and loves over wonderful acting then Gary Oldman old is this fantastic? Well, I'm watching it today. That's my next one as I read that too. I got to see that lesson. Thanks for joining us. Guess. I'm glad you're well, good luck in your future endeavors get a job soon, but not so not too much. I love both you guys Bob. It's you're awesome. It's Jeff. You're the best. Thank you. Likewise. Take care and we'll talk soon.

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616 : Rounding Into Playoff Form

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616 : Rounding Into Playoff Form

"Celtics stump lie. With your hosts. Justin Phoolan John. Welcome to sell they stuff live on the ceiling s media network, the leading online provider of Boston. Celtics, coverage. That's right. Me In John One more game to go and then it's the postseason everybody and I'm ready I'm ready and you know who else is ready. Rob Williams is ready. He's going to get some minutes dude, and you know I you listen to Scowl and Mike talk quite a bit about it. deservingly. So because the last couple of games has been good. But in this Memphis matchup that you and I just finished watching. You'll get rob and scowl and micro talk about it and boy what happened from the point of that injury until now and I've been thinking about this and I'm sure I'm not the first person to say it. But that whole second year phenomenon where the players get the off season and they come back in a lot of them just feel a lot more comfortable in that second season I feel like the pandemic. Created a second season of fact, in especially for Rob Williams 'cause he's starting to realize that athletically he is way ahead a lot of the other players in the league he really is and the level of patients he now has he was always a good passer though even before the injury, the passing is ability to kick it out quick and make that decision mentally very heads up player hadlow system to do the blocks. But Position Wise on defense. And offensively the patients. Those are the two things that usually happen from year one, a year two and I think this could wind up playing out. Pretty substantially for the Celtics in the postseason because they needed a guy who could alter a game like that coming into minutes and with the war on Thais Ward. Knows are going to get in man. World War Thais is what it is. Yeah I. It's yeah. He's he's looks really stupendous. I mean really going back to the nets game. Obviously, you know great in the in Toronto game showed up again in the magic game he really he has he has out and he has like you said taken that opportunity away from the game healthy for the first time in an offseason or last year's off season between this his rookie year and is offering or again had more injury issues, and so it's been a constant battle for him. This year you know he's got a little bit of good stuff going Dan gets hurt again and I think this is when things are hopefully coming together for him and I totally agree with you I, mean the difference, the he the difference between how he looked. In that game, especially, the Toronto game where he had a couple of bad. Bad position he was Kinda too aggressive, and then he adjusted and he made that correction and that's a team of smart guys with a lot of guards can get downhill and make you look stupid and it didn't matter didn't matter with Robin Williams Robin Williams was there. He was I mean he was he was the best center on the court that night when you had Markelle Saul and United Serge Ibaka and the best guy on the court in the center position for the Celtics and the Raptors was Robert Williams go figure. Yeah Pretty Wild in another phenomenon or emerging trend that I hope continues. In the Memphis game especially at the start and then also at the beginning of the third quarter, it was frustrating me the way that they were settling for outside shots but the team's willingness to pass and create lanes and attack the basket has been really strong. But it was Gordon Hayward over several games increasing and I remember thinking. Boy. He's starting to attack the basket I love it and I remember on the last show that we recorded. We talked about him having his back but Jesus Who is a game before Memphis was that Portland? No. No. No magic. Man The way that he has just built up towards that magic game where he was all of a sudden leaping dunking, and if you remember when he was first coming back the beginning of last year with that ankle injury, his ability to get up, he was getting met by the Rim and rejected he just didn't have that that little pop and all of a sudden he's elevating I would say, seriously an inch and a half to two inches. More easily than he has since he got injured, he starting to look athletically like the old Gordon Hayward and it's showing is aggressiveness to the basket having that with tatum with Brown with Brown, hitting those outside three pointers. The way he is man, that is what is creating a so much of a tough match-up. The one we've been salivating for the what we had hoped we would see all this time. and. Then you have a walker who especially in that Memphis game just looking very smooth, very comfortable creating action. You know off of off high picks that aren't even sometimes executing quite right, and he's still getting some of that that free space to be able to get off at three pointers so. The spacing is phenomenal. The chemistry with the team is great. They're getting better every single game and off and dynamically offense but the effort there on defense to we're not seeing that commitment to only one end. Each game and then the other the other game. And we we last recorded I. think that was. After the Miami Game Emily before the Toronto game or no it was before the Miami Game We William Extra game we were you were supposed to talk before Memphis and we didn't you both we both went three in one s but we thought we were both correct but. Both wrong on what the loss was GONNA be. You're going for the second game on back to back I believe and I. Think I said the Toronto game and it turns out it was the Miami Game So. I you know. Since that Miami game just that as as kind of a jumping off point you know I think that was a situation where the Miami he were a team that was the more motivated team they had. They hadn't done well against all season. They had a little extra motivation without Jimmy Butler on the floor and the Celtics play like garbage for forty eight minutes, and so you put those two things together and you're going to get a loss against a playoff team a team that can as the has so many weapons on the floor and with Bamut. Bio You really. You really struggled to contend with that and like you said or to play for that game I mean the Celtics need to play for chemistry for playoff rotation and all that. But pretty much their seed has been locked up says it came in. With a really big with a great street for them and a bad streak. For Toronto, there was an outside shot and You know they might have slipped a little bit if they lost every single game but for the most part and we said this on the very first show, there were pretty much locked up into the third seed. Absolutely. But but with the difference in that game, I guess what? After that after that game and first of all, let's remember the Brooklyn Nets have really been. They've really overachieved given the roster and the teams that they've been going against. They have really over performed what we would expect them. Louis Kyri comes in and makes him worse. Back Oh totally totally but you know the Celtics took that loss to Miami and they just they kicked gotten there. They got themselves right? I guess and then they played free they play loose and they kind of rediscovered things defensively offensively that they needed and and the other part is also I think cameras minutes helped to balance out some of the roster stuff where I think they were really searching for chemistry now that. Kemba is much closer to the type of minutes that he would be playing in the playoffs I think it really all came together and those last few games, and now the Celtics are in a spot where you have a couple of blow outs a tight tight ish game but really also important to be able to do that against the magic in pull that out and and and have some clutch plays down the stretch. Jason Tatum taking over. You. Really couldn't be other than going undefeated and just blowing everybody out for any other than that. This has been the best possible situation throughout this bubble probably for the Celtics every player has had a significantly shining moment every single one Thais hitting shots from the corner playing great defense getting up in the lane and Dunking Rob Williams what he's been doing even Romeo Langford has. Had some really impressive spot minutes. You have Brown who took over a couple of games shooting really well from outside tatum struggling at the start and that he you know the most recent game that we have what did he go like nine eleven missed what two shots against Memphis totally let it up walkers had some really steady games but a couple of couple of really good. Minutes restricted but he's looked. Nice. Gordon Hayward had big games. KANTER's had. You know really good rebounding. You just go I'm sure I'm forgetting somebody but everybody has had a really really strong game here or there. So very good to see and you know Marcus smart off he had a really good game but the thing about Marcus and you just mentioned it with Kemba Walker. Marcus is in my opinion at this point, there's no question. He's a starting caliber point guard. He's not necessarily the first option, but any team in the league that does not have Chris Paul or an already established superstar point guard would absolutely love to have Marcus smart at the helm leading that directing that offense and making all those plays. How awesome is it though for the Celtics to finally have him coming back off the bench like you said with consistent minutes from Walker because even when Walker was starting in those restricted minutes, Marcus winds up playing like awkward rotations right? He's GOT TO DO A. Little, bit extra but he's not really in the starters he's steadying the second unit it just doesn't work quite the way you would want it to for the unit. He looks great for the unit and the rotations. It's not always the way you would want it having him come off the bench. The way that they have is just all different look for this team and their ability. They really don't have anybody else to come off the bench and steady the offense and some day they're going to have to have that address because Marcus smart will absolutely be leading this team at the point guard position. I think. Yeah. I think Marcus smart has been. We've always seen it you and I have talked about it. He's had this playmaking gene in him from the beginning and I contend that really the the best position for him to be playing is the point guard position because he's the one that got Robin Williams going lauds early on built his confidence, and that's what set it off. Absolutely I don team like this with so many people who can score the ball. So people who can attack and stretch the floor. It creates a situation where Marcus can is free to do those things and has the room to work and I think that you know I'd love to see his his spot up. Shooting game maybe pick up a little bit more seeing the he's a top. Three point pull up shooter that one kind of caught me off guard here during the broadcast a few games ago I just. So impressive what he's done on the offensive and we know how good he is defensively like, of course, the biggest thing now is, can they keep him healthy? You can keep him healthy and you can keep that bench kind of where it is right now I think I think you got you clearly have finals on your mind not to say you're going to get there but to say that you have legitimate chance to get through the East with that type of bench that the Celtics have shown in the last three or four games. Yeah they they need him to solidify the depth because of what we just said how he got rob going. There are other players on that bench rotation that need him to make that unit function properly. So they have depth, but without him in Walker that death doesn't necessarily achieve to the level that they're capable and so it is critical they've got eight or nine, possibly ten deep that we might see. In the postseason depending on matchups and largely because of that front court rotation, right it's you've got you know it could be Tyson could be Williams it could be the other. Williams. In a couple of minutes KANTER's is going to get time. Now he's not obviously ties is going to stay the starter. He's doing all the right things and he's keeping. You know there was a time for Thais and I think they subtly mention this but not. As, clearly as we're about to, but on the broadcast, there was a time when ties had the hands up what's going on guys why aren't you giving me any live love why do you keep doing this and he's really toned that down he the thing he does now as he takes his Jersey and he pulls it up over his face and he acts like he's wiping sweat from his face and then what is what he reemerges from the t? ZAND again, he doesn't let it get in this head and he doesn't let the Ralph C that it's bothering. there. There is going to be a mode in this postseason where Brad gets a T. For coming to Tyson aid because that's one thing. Brad's really good at if the player doesn't throw their arms up and try to petition the rouse then Brad is eventually going to go to war with the wraps for that player. He's known to do it in the past it's going to happen in the postseason. Are we ready to talk about stealing and yeah. Yeah. I mean it's pretty much right. That's I. Mean isn't it pretty much locked up? It seems like it I mean I I don't see I right now you've got. It's close but you know you've got basically a game that separates Indiana in Philly they both have two games left. But. You know it to me. It seems Miami's in the four slot. Though they play in the NF play again, I don't see a way that that. It seems unlikely that anything other than Miami for in the NFL until he's six, which I think is. To to give up the ghost on what I think here. I. Think. That's the best possible situation with the Celtics. Well Simmons is guaranteed out our. South for the whole thing it just done. Okay and then embiid is out for time but may reemerge. Gimpy but I yeah. Some of the reports today where he doesn't look that serious. And? He's not but we'll see. Yeah. So. Is there a world where Simmons being out actually makes this Philly team stronger? Absolutely. That's really a one scary thing and and it's not GonNa Simmons as an talent. Believe me I don't want to denigrate the player but we've talked about this. They don't have outside shooting clogged them at all you know embiid can shoot from outside but you know it's disjointed. It's the reason Al Horford not meshing. There's a world where Ben Simmons not playing. Just gives them another COVINGTON style up start guard to come in, get some minutes nobody's paying attention to him and and Horford to get back into that starting rotation or at least you know pretty well established and actually have enough room to play and play well because I think one of the biggest issues with Horford is having Simmons as that point forward, not being able to shoot outside and then beat is well the three of them just don't fit plus the rest of the the line. So with Simmons being out maybe they maximize a little bit of this Al Horford presence. I. WanNa ask you is Horford washed up or just a bad fit. I think it's probably more bad fit than than than washed up. I mean we saw last year what Al Horford was capable of and. I wouldn't want to poor dirt on the guy's a think. He's I think he's much more capable what philly what Philly has shown, but it takes. SMART Players and it takes smart coaching to pull that out and right now you know he's not in that spot. I. Mean, look this is. To talk about Phillies Dino last four games they're three and one. But in that time they played the Spurs, the wizards, the magic and they lost the Portland. So they're three and one. But three of those three year of those games were against teams that aren't even GonNa make the playoffs. So in those games hey, you know a Better went for fourteen against Orlando six for nine against Portland I. Mean He's getting more opportunities. He's touching the ball a lot. Great for him about minutes. Do you have minutes right there Yeah I do thirty. Thirty one, thirty, twenty, nine. Thirty, thirty and at twenty two against Portland. Starting right? They have josh starting. Yeah Right. That makes sense for him to come in that role and get those extended minutes Yup. Located. So if you're the Celtics, right if you're not playing and bead, right if embiid game, it's Horford right. Do you worry about having Rob Williams out there on him? Do you worry oh? No. You've got to attack that guy to attack. You've gotta tire amount and and he's not the longest. He's a position defender. And so the whole thing, and it's what we started this whole discussion on for this podcast but having. The ups and being right and then having Brown and having tatum. They have to just keep attacking attack dish, drive dish drive dish, and then if you do have a rob Williams in there and even at Cantor in certain circumstances although you know. I think you attack and finished with kanner because you're you're hoping for the offensive rebound I. Think you're driving and dishing with Williams and looking for an opportunity for him to set that screen you begin to attack because he's doing a great job of timing the role and if it's hayward and he's proven that he's got some ups and he's finishing and definitely if it's brown attacking the basket, they always going to shy away from. Williams. And you give him an edge where he can get up enough. He's GonNa Finish those. Laws no problem. It's not even a back to the basket thing. It's just up and down with the ball and so I think I think that's where Horford gets in trouble with the Celtics many options for him to pick up on the defensive end without if they're quick, they moved the ball and they get three different you know drive and looks at finishing at the rim they can cause a lot of problems for our words. Normally stoller defense I i. You know I think for Philly looking if they play Horford with. Embiid I think that's a net loss for Philly because I think the Celtics quickness on the perimeter is such that there's no way NBA going to be able to stay with anybody out there. He's not gonNA stay with him. He's not gonna be able to stay with with Jalen Brown. That's that's the problem for affiliate I think is the Simmons was so perfect for them in that he had that links to protect the rim if you could pull and beat out, but he also had the athleticism to stay with those guys and really still bother them. If you're just plugging and playing Horford in Simmons I. think that's a big loss for affiliate and that's that's an overstatement anyway, I think the question is. Is embiid finally going to be the embiid who he could be if embiid becomes shack two, thousand, one which. He kinda has the ability to do in this league. it's going to be a problem, but there's nothing I've seen that shows me. He's capable of that. Mentally you know well and focus issue for him. Yeah. The the other issue for the Celtics to is if When Philly has defeated the Celtics it's because they have them camping out at the perimeter. So predictably that Jason, tatum can't create the space to blow them up and when they beat Philly, it's almost always because tatum is lighting it up from the outside to your point and so you take Simmons away. If they to attack even if they don't even intend on finishing the play, they've just gotTa keep sinking in a team that are already tends to sink to. To keep that defense sinking collapsing towards the hoop so that they can create that space on the perimeter because they do have to shoot well from outside to beat Philly always have but they've got the shooter's to do it and what what could happen in Philly matchup and I can see this and the entire media everybody like freaking out. I can see. Game want against Philli where the Celtics all of a sudden do that thing where they put that pressure on themselves they're all cold from the perimeter they dropped game one and the next thing you know you know embiid has a great game couple of players play up and everybody's like, oh, man everybody counted Philly out have Simmons and the next Dow. A team that has very motivated beat Philly and has always seen that you know everybody said Philly did it better? They got the better players like dumping Jalen Brown Jason Tatum are not always having that in their head it's always going to be a measuring, stick a success for them and. I really believe that once we come out of that first game and everybody's saying that that they will wind up lighting it up and the narrative will change very quickly. And they're starting so quickly between us like. You know you couldn't see what embiid had done to his ankle. It wasn't really clear what happened but you know. A week they're gonNA play. You know roughly a week from from now as recording this, Tuesday the plaster supposed to start the seventeenth. Of course, we don't have what the schedule is yet but. They're gonNA play probably every other day a week from now. So if there is anything in the least bit serious about that ankle injury. A week isn't a whole lot of time for that to rest. So there's that and then there's the other piece of this which is. You know if they get a whole. Is. GonNa WanNA put their their. Injury plagued center. Out there when they don't have Ben Simmons and they don't have their best foot forward. Will they punt on the season at some point? I mean look we still got embiid, but you go down to you now know three. It's a rat man I mean, you know three, three, one like. You know they're not going to. I don't think this is one of those like, alright. Let's let's. Let's dig this out. We want to stay in the bubble longer. It's going to be though let's get to our family and friends and. Hit the road. So that's kind of interesting and especially when you're looking at what's ads and concept I hadn't even really thought of. You know the the fight in the dog. You know is going to have a big of a big impact on that. They don't really feel like they have a shot and it might be easier to put some teams away. You know depending on their chemistry and that's that is something that has always kind of felt like a little bit of an issue in fell a new that they don't like each other but the chemistry generally this celtics team ever says they got rid of cancer boy has been all about the good vibes you donate mean Jalen Brown's the problem he's got a bad attitude. Now. He's like boys in the Players Association and the Black Lives Matter Movement. Right like now. He's the Golden Child Look at Jaylen Brown. He's so great. You know. All and and there was a time when he was coming off the bench. And you know everybody's like trade him trade him, trade him you know and and a lot of people a lot of fans were behind Kyrie. And thinking that the young players remember the narrative and Kyrie created this the younger players don't WanNa do what it takes, and they're not blah, blah blah, and look at where we're at right now it's awesome. Awesome the the young guys on the Celtics made the young guys on the nets look absolutely stupid. Last week. So think about that one but you know that's true to you bringing up a good point. Cairo used that line once again in a new city didn't even take him twelve months. That's a great point. Whoops. All the more reason to get through that not to look too far ahead here but I'm already in around two and I'm saying celibacy to get it through that series with Philly as quickly as they can because they don't want to be in a battered bruised. Up Against the Toronto Raptors. A you know they made them look bad the last week but I truly believe feel Toronto is is strong. There is you know and fast and fast you know that's that's going to be a really fun series and and you're right the other thing that's going to happen. But the Celtics is if they don't play that real fast attack drive in dish. Style against Philli and they get lulled into it. They may not be as ready for that fast paced attack that they're gonNA. You know when they match up against Toronto so great point they want to get that done put some distance between the different style of play and the Raptors and they the way to beat the raptors I mean the way to beat the seventy sixers will. Translate well to the raptors if they commit to it. So we just need to keep seeing this level of energy from this team. Totally the you look at the Miami game and you're like I want this team to be done with the public go home you know and you watch every game sense that point and they you know flipped a switch like the old two, thousand, ten Celtics. There's confidence in their. Office I level of even when you see like Gordon, Hayward missed two three pointers in a row off the back rim and you're wondering if he's even going to bother because that's what he's been like right misses a couple and he just shies away does playmaker. He's not even doing that he's being more aggressive and that's a sign of confidence from the entire team like okay I got the open shot I gotta take it, and then you know what? If it gets close and it comes down to the wire there's always Jason Tatum to hit a three. The two point or to force overtime I mean that. Man. His level of confidence in his level of clutch right now, you can't touch him. He's MC Hammer. He would be too legit to quit maybe two and. My favorite though, do you believe scowl what he said he came up with the Stash Gordon? Did. You hear that I don't know about that. I, think all my call, the nod who we credit for that right and Scowling me. About buying it. You Still Stash Gordon from cell way. It. It's good. It's good. It's great yeah. It's time Lord but it's great. It's time Lord Moustache. Guard. Is Pretty. Good, it's pretty his wife hates it which makes everyone else loves. Looks like he should be that movie tubes doubt that that was I was going to bring that up because I know you're a big tombstone guys I. If he if he hits so here's like here's the dream right? The game winner you know he's got the he's in the the the Kevin Garnett Answer it Oh and and they go and they just say you know Gord. What do you think? He says I'm your Huckabee. You're hugging. Mary. That's it. It's over. Shirts Big Wide Brim hats, the whole deal. Yeah, I've. I've got a good a good buddy on twitter. We've gotTA WE GOTTA. Get this go. Like that, Yeah Stash Gordon. He's so great. Yeah. We ever talked with Jason Tatum Really I. Mean we got. It up we went runoff style a different direction but. Because we talked about Gordon but like tatum. He really struggled to start right I mean that in the game against Milwaukee dreadful. Absolutely. Dreadful. You know the next game when they were playing against Portland really good game not great. But good game You know thirty four. Eight four. I was really good the game again struggling. But since then. Really solid efforts all the way through, and then today against Memphis just unconscious and it was interesting today is to see him. He got maybe some confidence from the end of that. ORLANDO. Game we're really that was forty seven minutes Gordon Hayward, kicking ass, and it was you know the last minute of regulation that five minute overtime when tatum was just He was he was just the guy he was the man you know that kind of takeover. Tatum kind of situation beautiful stuff, and then on top of that now coming in today and just lighten up. You know I think the expectations on him were so so high going into it. My own little psycho analysis and this is he felt that. It felt he felt like he was forcing it felt like he was trying to take you know be the guy making all those shots and then he adjusted and really I thought in the Toronto game. In the Early. Parts game. He's looking to create plays as he did that everything kind of starts to fall back into place for him and I think since then. Using that playmaking skill, his playmaking has stepped up Jalen play making stepped up but those abilities what they've been able to do with that I. think that's really opened up his scoring here last end of the magic game, and then today I think that's that's going to be the important thing going into the playoffs here as. These teams are going to be geared up for him. I think they were to start and he wasn't adjusting to that right off now he's adjusted. So now what's GonNa Happen? What's what's the counterbalance GONNA BE? What's Philly going to throw at him? You know they're going to throat Masih Stibal Adam. Tobias Harris Good Luck. Who's GonNa stop that fadeaway? Back so far if he goes any further back, he's GonNa Literally Land on his ass I don't even know how he. That's gotta be almost thirty five degrees of lean back and he's already super long you know and he's GonNa King. If he can keep dropping that in, it's unfair nobody nobody has a away like that at that length there. So you know like Isaiah Thomas could fade away. There's some guards you know that are under six foot that figured out that fade away for survival sake there's nobody at his link that fades. Right. I mean that's the thing like he's got. Smaller version of honest length you know he really has tremendously long arms. And lanky frame. and. You look at guards I mean. The shooter's who were big band. That's not something that we've seen until recently right you know Garnett or Guarded had that high release and you know but. It's different when you see a guy doing it from thirty feet. You know it's different when you see you know a six, six, eight guy or six nine guy with like arms that go through the through the ceiling. Durant I guess is the only other guy who's the cop there you could say. It's like durant you know and and who's going to touch durant. You know it's the same idea. Calms for Tatum and Durant for a little while and people were like having a hard time with that they were thinking maybe more like Ingram you know because he was so wiry frame right but there were a lot of people comping you tatum with with durant. I don't think I, saw it but I remember US talking about it. Either just in terms of frame I think that's the closest that you can come to i. mean a lot of you will say, the Paul George thing you'll have people say you know the Paul Pierce? Thing I think those belie what the frame issues The frame that he has and putting this skill and that's the other thing he has tried to his. Away, like you compare him to Paul but Paul was more of the step back and I'm not saying there isn't a step back with. Absolute a lot of step bag. It's actually, and if you look at how he creates space out on the perimeter, it's actually more of a a real subtle sidestep. It's a it's a way is a cat mouse timing thing where it soon as a commit. He doesn't even do an exaggerated step if you remember Paul at the elbow. Back, the step is exaggerated but tatum out on the perimeter albion at the three point line. That side sometimes, it's a big step, but a lot of times it's a timing thing and he just gets a couple of inches. He doesn't even need that same amount of space, but the but the, but the fade away the way he's just way back palm never was like that Paul step back. Got, you, know distance between him and defender that That's all. Much but it was keeping the defender farther away from him in terms of in front of him, he still would step back got into normal shot position is released might have been leaned back a little bit but what tatum's doing this just ridiculous. So on that no I. Think about that. So one thing that I've kind of noticed is that. In terms of leadership, you know that kind of we're GONNA hold good dig ourselves out of it. You know I feel Jalen has really been someone who has stepped up through this bubble. Through the year but you know something I've noticed that when things are bad, he's a guy that really Kinda digs deep smart count on him for a couple of. Plays, and he'll hit a big three. I mean the way he's splashing threes is just That can use through the postseason. It is dangerous really really dangerous, but he's very marcus smart like and his willingness to take a take a back seat on the offensive end and just go do the dirty work and I think that's the kind of leadership that you're talking about him I. Don't know if he learned that from smart in a way I mean I'm not saying wasn't a willing defender before, but any always had the athletic ability, but if you think about the first two years of Jalen career. People said look he doesn't know where he's supposed to be. He's not making the smart play same kind of criticism that Rondo got over committing on certain things and you know reaction time wasn't there and man if he could just put it together with his athleticism, but even nobody criticized his effort but his effort didn't look like smarts and that's hard to it's hard to emulate. Being able to walk. Out of bounds inbounds, and then jump back out of bounds and flipped the ball back into play. To a Celtic is ridiculous. Gentleman's Never GonNa do that but I do feel like Jalen and we've never really heard them talk about it but I do feel greatly that Jalen feeds off of that from smart and that helped him a lot not so much that Jalen wasn't willing to accept that secondary role because what he did the Kyri year absolutely says he was and and did. You know in a circumstance where he may not have been wrong or if he was, you know he ate the crow quick and improved but but I think that what you're talking about kind of leadership they need a basketball, do a basket. If they need them to just go and grunted on defense, he'll go granted on the event he tends to draw fouls, but it might be the spark. I yeah, and you know that's that whole. Field, you know kind of what is the person's demeanor look like in terms of hard, they're working thing to and terms of yeah. That smart Brown comparison I. It's interesting how those two tatum brown work together. And Mesh with each other is really you know Kinda fascinating and. I've been. I pay particular attention to okay see. And what happened there between Durant Westbrook? and. That was a situation where they worked really well together. But there were frustrations about you know rusted do this and Taylor you worried that Brown is going to be. In that scenario because tatum is always going to be taken that limelight I'm I'm a New England sports fan who is who grew up in the eighties and nineties is you did and I always have the capacity for panic at the. Somewhere my phantom. So I? Yes, I'm concerned you know I want this to go on forever. You know what I mean. I wanted to play twenty-five years here together never leave the talking about it. I didn't even WANNA trade for. What I want. And I'll even throw smart in there. I don't want those three. I get it. Gordon's going to move on at some point cameras going to move on at some point would be awesome if rob Williams like worked himself into that conversation but but really. Anytime you talk about the Celtics core for the future it's those three smart Brown and Tatum You can just keep them together. You can go out and get vets pack them in around him and you can build a team but that but that that those three players of the ones I just would hate to see any one of them leave at any point it'll be it won't be Tom Brady ask unless they're in their forties and then I'll take it. You know I? Yeah. Well. There's there's. There's right. Right does the argument of how far can Can Two wings lead a team? You know how how do you need somebody at another position to to play out to step up you need Rob Williams to your third best player. For example, you need him to be better than smart for you to get to that next level kind of like just in in comparison that only thing that jumps to mind is golden state and being able to say, Hey, you had yes you had clay and yet steph which dream on on the back line. And I'm not saying that the going to be draymond or exactly like that. But. It's an easy answer the game is going to evolve. And so the answer to that is is a TVD and yeah, and you have to look at how does the conference play out? Can they will find out this year if they really can compete with Milwaukee it wasn't so good last season, right? No jury still out Justin? Looking so good. Oh, shit we suck. Game with this. Game One anyway, this team is different and so if we if we see what their ability is to compete with no walkie. TATUM's not dumb getting better neither Brown. So and I'm and I'm not saying that Milwaukee's not getting better but I am saying is under the Kubo. You might get a little bit better and if he's lucky, he'll have the staying power of Lebron. But it's not like if these teams are close now, if you look at the two and you look at their makeup and you look at core. Outside of Milwaukee, doing something to bring in another major star, the Celtics chances of improving more and continuing to get better. Especially, you actually drew the comparison you know Hey tatum's got this frame and he's got that same athletic ability but a little bit shorter stature than onto. What have tatum fills out like you honest did. What if he winds up becoming that strong because? It's not even at a point where you can pack on that Muscle Yeah we talked about that when they drafted in, he's skinny buddies, but he moves and he has put on muscle and he's definitely getting stronger. So what what Physique does a twenty five year old Jason Tatum half and adapt point with the honest being that many years ahead of Jason. I'm just telling you I think that. You look at Milwaukee. You know that they can go to the finals and they have you honest but they don't necessarily have that center that you're talking about that. Maybe the Celtics were they need that draymond or they need that other player, the game's going to change and so unless they have an unbeatable. In. Philly. Right. Because maybe that team starts to balance out and then embiid does become almost impossible for the Celtics. Yeah. Yeah. Then then you could be in a situation where you're like they need a Rob Williams to be the third best player because he's not competing even at a slight disadvantage to embiid they'll never get by philly absolutely that could be a conversation. You know it's interesting to. Every year we look at what it is and and we in our minds, we apply incremental growth to whatever it is and we we always grew up right we always say, well, you know who the good I mean us less. So than most not saying that that we're the ones but you know, for example, when you look at the East right now, right? I mean certainly Brooklyn is going to have. And Katie next year we'll look. We'll Kyri look Kyrie. We'll see you know. But you look at the younger players, the younger rosters I mean, I don't see dramatic in the east next year. You know apart from. Brooklyn will do. You Know Indiana. Could be could be better certainly, maybe miles turner figures out how to play with SA- bonus but you know to me that the east is relatively stat. They'll be incremental growth for Miami IT -CREMENTO growth. From. INDIANA. Philly. Yeah. How much better is going to be I mean they're gonNA. Get. The Fred then fleet. So they get a lot of young players. He's gone. Free agent how so you're saying they won't even resign him. I don't think they'll be able to I maybe maybe that maybe there won't be a market for them but to me, I would break the bank no idea what the market's GonNa look like it's going to act on a crap crapshoot right? They also have you know three of their top six players are after thirty or whatever Serge Ibaka is. In lowery and Gonzales. Sol's a real big issue for them. Yeah. Yeah and you know you pull him out of it. What does that team become I fully believe you know you Jiri he's going to be able to find. Somebody to fill that spot I'm not saying you know they're dead in the water and forget about it but I, just look at that team you know they have a lot of They have some older players relatively older players compared to a Boston Situation I. think that the issue next year I think is, what does what did the Celtics do in terms of their bench because the bench now it's Kinda Coa last. Run out of money they're going to run out of money and they've got three new draft picks that they've gotta figure out a room for they've got a stacked roster with a couple of guys coming off. You know they've they're going to make some decisions if they're thinking next year is a year that they contend. Maybe this is the last year contention with to pay. With Gordon? You know at what point do you start to add more vets to this bench because right now Here's here's a planter and and Brad wanamaker we. Pension likely eat more than. We just. saw. MEMPHIS. That peck isn't going to be as good as we had all hoped over these years. And there's going to be a lot of teams out there that are going to be significantly crunching for dollars. And the best way for them to reduce dollars and not have a pissed off fan base is to do some trays for first round picks and maybe you package up a bunch of salary on expiring deals. and. Or you know or you package up a bunch of rookie rookie deal guys into one I think you're gonna I think the Celtics are going to be in a good position to get a quote unquote veteran maybe not one with a Max deal or anything new not ridiculous conversations like we've had in the past. But I can definitely see them to your point. Saying you know what? We just need a couple of pieces. You know maybe that you know twelve to fourteen million dollar a year veteran who fits perfect need who Scott two or three years left on their agreement, and we can consolidate some of these packs in some of these players in match that up, and then you know that allows the team that acquires them to build for the future, but it also allows them to. Spin off some of these players or cut them and just slowly reduce salary and stay where they need to be and have a more. You know three to four year outlook of we're GONNA have mostly rookie year rookie contract deals on our roster because we're rebuilding we're GONNA try to take some swings the bat and do a lot of the things that the Celtics did when they traded away pierce and Garnett. But But at the same time, the picks at Celtics have to offer are not going to be as enticing as the deal that they made with Brooklyn. Yeah. No, that's true. I you're right that the financial pictures GonNa Change a lot and we have the NBA doesn't even know what it looks like for next year but once that happens I think you're right I think will be a lot of teams. The Celtics are actually GONNA be pretty. Well. Situated because they don't own their own building and so because they're paying rent, there's a lot of costs. Celtics are bearing as part of this whole thing that that other teams who own their buildings are. So hopefully that it's a, it's a little bit easier on on them but yeah. It should be interested in hopefully. They can turn some of these young these young kirk players into some some veterans who can. Provide some some boost and some about because I think I think that's part of the problem for a guy like, rob. Williams and part of the reason he's doing so well in these stronger units that he's playing on is that he's playing with better players who have a better sense of where they are when he's going in part of these, these fully bench units. There's a lot of people don't know what they're doing. So Rats doesn't help rob L.. So he's playing with a Kemba playing with a Gordon Hayward he's playing with Marcus smart although he's a bench player but you know what I'm saying it does help him greatly. So I'm looking forward to that AM also really looking forward on on Thursday system ample trout, waters minutes so. Dhaka on Thursday. So that should be fun at noon Tonko Thursdays. Data Week still starts with the T. but it's not a Tuesday. You're absolutely right there's GonNa be a end of the bench time think Kemba will get some minutes. I. Think they'll want to keep him fresh. I don't think they'll play a lot of minutes. But. I think he will definitely get you know maybe about twenty just because. Sometimes that time off isn't good. You know you you really need to stay in that. In that shape. It'll be it'll be interesting to see album man is that there will. Be another like beginning of you know they were warming up where he had a first-half second half of deal. We could see that too It almost be interesting if they did the first half with all the bench players and then did the second half with the vets because the final minutes I'd probably is neither here nor there, but John I think we got to wrap it. This has been a good one. The regular season will be over by the time we talked to all of you again on this edition is Celtic stuff live will be in the postseason and we've been waiting a very long time for this. We have indeed. I've got a real big ramp for the for the outtakes. I hope people stick around for that. 'cause it's worth talking about. All right. Well, that's going to do it for this episode of Celtics Stuff liven. Thank you very much for listening a big big. Thank you. Make sure that you follow us on twitter instagram and Dodd give us a rating in review. That's GonNa do it on behalf of John Myself Thank you for listening this episode. Celtic stuff live. Okay So this week. NBC Sports Boston. The sided that they need to have so cutbacks and They decide to got they're. Effectively their entire. Program that they're running there and they cut loose Abby Chin and they shroud blakely. Now Chevron has been around the team going back to await eight I. Think I think he took over for spears when spears went to? Well, he didn't take over 'cause. No. Sorry. Spears was that the glow that's Gary Washburn my dad. They brought him in from Detroit that's right right. So. I think you know ride to define job. You know I I you know I was very we and we also your professional about saying well. All. Right. But I'm not really going to. Know what I'm saying is don't know what I'm saying is we weren't around for for also steeple pets. You know his his layoff from the Boston Herald. The Real I'm that. One for me. But the one that I'm going to talk about right now is the one that I think is. Something, we can do something about folks and that's that's abby. They. Let Abby Chin. Go Look. Abbey's allow happy instruments sticking around I. Agree on this one well. I'm GonNa cut it short then. Why just a lot of? Voice on this. That's right and how Champion Steve Bullpen over. This is. ABC Sports Boston is not picking stable pet over abby. That's I know that I'm GonNa, say I was GONNA fight for somebody who lost their jobs in the Boston media it I don't I can't even I don't even know where you're i. know what you're going. I just can't believe you're going to keep going up. I'm definitely going there. Absolute Lunacy from ABC Sports Boston. The Celtics are the Lynch Pin of all the program they have on that station everything they have runs off of Celtics basketball I watch that channel for the same for the purpose of watching Celtics basketball. Now, they have other programs on there too. That are normally not that great. Okay to be honest but they. Basketball. There may not be sidelined for Avicen to Rome here over the next you know year having said that there are some really really. People. Bad employees people who do not enjoy people who know enjoys to watch and turn on the TV and see them on the screen and they're still employed by. NBC. Sports Boston Avenue Shit is not and I think that's a a real. Situation. What did he? What is? Where I? Tell Them I. Don't think she's that good. What what What are you looking for like breakdowns? True shooting percentage. What is it that she's not giving that? That is, is the shortcoming here? I this. Yeah, you know I. You know who I really liked as a sideline guy, the most or sideline person go ahead. So. There was two guys who are on New England sports tonight. Was Bone on bone who also got let go in the layoff Gary Tanguay and we. You know Gary the character was annoying on purpose gary the person wasn't really a bad guy you know and he did come on and gave us a quote that put us up on USA Today if you remember that bone on bone. Bag in the two thousands for Wally Zurve EAC that was like a map maker for Celtics stuff lot. But having said that. You know I love Greg Dickerson a sideline guy. I absolutely loved Greg Dickerson and and Abby just doesn't. I don't know dude. You're kind of catch me off guard because I didn't expect this for the outtakes but I've never been like I tune her out I'm just being honest with you like I tune her out. You know who I'd rather see. Do you remember just camera auto who's now like with MLB DOT com she was awesome and I think she would have been great as a sideline reporter. She had such great report with the players. She always got really good like interviews but I've never like does abby right anything you know for the site you see insights like if you're just talking about somebody whose job is to regurgitate what the coach just said in the time out. Any just I'm not trying to be a jerk here but I'm saying any professional broadcaster that went to a decent broadcasting school. Can do that I just yeah. There's people who can repeat what other people say I think there's a lot of people who can do that. I don't know there's a lot people who can do that and you can like at the same time. And I think. But. So that's so maybe it's that simple I just I don't. I don't really like her I'm not saying I. Am Not saying I dislike her but I like I've always been like I could somebody else stepped in there. You know like when Chris Forsberg would come and show up and doing I was like cool. I like Chris you know. We've had him on the show I've seen him in person zillion times. He's personable. He talks to people. And I get it. Everybody's got a job to do but I just didn't Yeah I just now. No I I think I hear what you're saying, but you're wrong and so anyway. No I mean look. It's okay. It's everyone's got their own cup of tea. Right? That's fine. I think the issue is is that once he's well liked whether she's not your cup of tea. There's a lot of people who are pretty upset pretty frustrated that NBC Sports Boston's go on this way and I think that's a problem I think to. The other problem is is that they're they're cutting back on their you know they've got they've got to writers for the team. For the. Core piece of what is what they do Celtics basketball and they just cut that in half like well, we don't need only Chris and I'm glad Chris got his gig Chris good, Dude. Does a great job but what exactly is the plan because there's a lot of people employed by NBC Sports Boston that are. Shouldn't be employed anywhere frankly journalism John. Tommasi. Made up a whole story about the self about the Patriots. Have a recording the rams walk through, and you know and yet somehow that guy still has a job, I don't understand that you either there's other people there who unlike really you know we have a show on at ten o'clock on that channel that I don't know anybody who watches that show. It's the biggest waste of time going so. To me suburbs basketball going back to sports channel going back to prism. Put. All their partly owned by the Boston Celtics at that. Let me ask you this. Okay. If there is no sideline reporting to be done. How do you know you want her doing the writing or anchoring show or more? that. I'm just saying you said, they have to write nine. The writers to you don't retain somebody. So your argument is the same thing that's wrong with presidential debate I don't like this guy. So I'll take anybody else. I'M GONNA go with this guy and what you're saying is we should save abby because they have these two writers you know that are writing full-time. No good and there's no value there. My point is is she's not going to do that job. You know what? I mean and her job literally isn't a job right now. Then you like I think. Fantasy world which. Channel anymore you don't understand. It's like. I don't. Say It's a complete like disaster like the whole channel is like there is nothing worth watching all this programming to have Gary Tanguay and. Yell at each other about nonsense and nobody cares about any of it and it's like, why are we doing this? Like this is not entertaining I can't imagine anyone is watching this and so they're letting people go who are part of their core constituency of what people watch that channel and instead they're holding onto something that is really unfulfilling on interesting. So I get what you're saying I'm I'M NOT DURHAM NOT. Debating whether the contents could or not. Because as you made the point I'm out of market I, don't watch any of it, but that's not a reason to keep somebody who doesn't fill a role because there is no sideline reporting. Like there literally is no sideline reporting and there may not be again for quite some time you don't keep. So the point is this, what are you keeping her for and and what role? Going to move her to that, you think she's going to excel at that's going to be any different than what they ask you know training to do. You do any studio job I mean. Run run halftime run whatever I mean there are other there are other. Ramming mean not the person right? It's. Because you're saying the programming on I'm trying to save the programming exists that she fits into I think. You're saying that she should go into that programming and bring new life to it. Right? That's what you're saying she shooting. In I'm saying. I'm saying she's capable of that. I'm saying that that there if your argument is that well, they're getting rid of this one area and so then what do you do? What I'm saying is there's more available for that person to do. Then what I'm saying is that it's not you want to replace people because you don't like the programming, it's not the people it's the programming. You Abby and slaughter into that she's going to be arguing with so and so because that's what they're expecting for that role doesn't mean that the networks making the right decision about programming but that's what will be expected of her if you move her from her current role, which is now no longer a roll. And move her into one of those other roles you just going to get her doing the same thing. Because it's the programming. It's not the person it's the programming. Well, I have problems with the programming and I have I have problems with the personnel decisions in of what people are capable of and we were holding onto. So I guess I have problems both issues. So you really think she's got like I. Don't know why you're convinced that abby has you know how like more? I don't know why you think that she has more ability than somebody else. That's. Like, Gary, already got let go. So I guess he's not arguing with training anymore you know. I just don't know what you think. You have seen abby do that is going to be any better than than what you're not happy with today I. Don't Know How you're convinced of that well I. I think. Mixing the two, the two issues though I think the issue is it's the program in terms of decision, making of what they WANNA program on the channel. But to just in the pure merits of having employing people that people like and WanNa Watch on TV is an important thing on on television they don't necessarily have to be someone who's providing. Analysis and commentary. As. Much as you think, they do I think you're wrong. I. Think you're I. Think you're I think. You're misreading that one because I think think there's a wide range of that and I think that the problem is that you know there was a number articles that came out today that you know this is something that that NBC sports. Is doing and all their regional networks they're cutting back and they are they're doing. So in a way that's really harming their products in the long run. And they're making decisions based upon things other than what's in the best interest of covering the markets that they're tasked to do. So I look I think that that's I think that's a problem and I don't like to see the the preeminent network for the Boston Celtics find by the wayside becoming a Nessin light. That's not a good thing. You Know Nessin has been. You know to me a really poor poorly run organization for a long time and I think that they're just taking a step into that world which. Was Really. I hope that that we were we were the channel that we have to watch to wash. Themselves would be going down that road but alas, here we are. That may be totally fair and legitimate criticism. I just don't think that ABC are is tied together as you think and. It has everything to do with leadership in programming. I mean if they if you told me that they let Mike Go Mike Gorman I'd be up in arms and I was very disappointed to see the. Herald. Let go of bullpen but also shocked because he by far got. The. Information that nobody else could get from. Danny he broke most stories and whenever Danny wanted to feed some shade out into the. You always knew and Steve was was you know floating something for the benefit of the organization because it'd be another like breaking thing and he's been on the show and alluded things in the past that he's clearly privy to that. We didn't get from other people like information we I don't know why the Herald and maybe Steve's salary was just too much but I don't know why the Herald would and this'll be the this'll be kind of closing point I. Don't know why the Herald be willing to risk that. Big unless they feel like that information coming from Danny because they're the herald and I just simply don't believe that you know I think that somebody like bill pat has to create a relationship with Danny. For Danny to trust the Herald and and trust Steve to you know do things discreetly and in a way that he's comfortable with or he stops giving them the scoops and I don't think that's herald based. I think that it herald related but Steve's integrity. So unless Steve, made a super screw up and they just use this as an opportunity and less that's what happened that's behind the scenes and we're not privy to that I don't get it I don't get that and that's what I'm telling you about abby I, don't see what abby brings to the table. That somebody else who also has a likable affable personality if they decide to start this back up couldn't achieve in short period of time I think that the people that are valuable are the ones that have insights and information that others can't get, and this is where I'm going with your comments about. You know all of that. The truth is this. You know if the Herald can't see the value in Steve. There either making a critical error. or The market doesn't dictate it anymore because nobody cares in the market about that that Steve has that knowledge it's now what sells papers it's not what people pay attention to, and if you're disappointed with the quality of the product, the decision makings of people who they're letting go and the content and the programming it has everything to do with the fan base reacting things that don't have value because that's what makes people who are good at their jobs less valuable if you can just take somebody out and plug somebody else back in and have the same amount of sales, and it could be a miscalculation on any of these people's parts, right? When the leadership has to make a decision but in times like these difficult decisions have to be made sports is making less money advertising is down we didn't have events for how long and they're paying people to report on things and you know again the values not there, and that's why I say I don't disagree with your overarching point i. just disagree with the fact that I think you can take abby out I think you can find somebody else and plug him back in and as long as you know, test it out on the likeability scale, it's probably not GonNa have any impact on the Organization of the business moving forward. Well I I. think that's That's that's kind of that. Maybe where we are I think that's pretty sad if if you know I think you know you can put a lot of people out there. There's been a revolving door of people who have been working for Nessin over the years. And some their likeable and some that make an impact in terms of what people want to watch, and maybe they're saying people are GonNa Watch. Salts. Broadcast regardless. But I think that makes a poor pry broadcast in the end. GonNa rant here about corporate interests and what's the value of money versus quality and and exploited exploiting. The worker and all that I'm going to save that for for For another time and All goes but it just it seems like that's an opportunity there for whether you have something good. You don't give it away and there's no salary cap. There's nothing that prevents them from doing what they need to do to make a better product for the viewers and I think the prior viewers will be poorer for their moves. And I think the Prodigal reporter for their move but. Again. It's maybe that's a sad reality that we all facing so. Let's not. Right. That's it. That was the whole show on its own. There you go. They go. Oh, my God. You didn't know that it was going to be as contentious as I did I thought you're just GONNA, try to go to bed halfway through the middle of it. So you wanna go to bed but. And I need to but. Yeah I, I am not an Abbey. Fan at all. She there's something about her that irritates me I just didn't want to say it that way because.

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626: Is there a Draft in here, Gordon?

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626: Is there a Draft in here, Gordon?

"Well off in the universe, Celtic stunt lot with your host Justin Bieber John do welcome to Southern stuff live in the ceiling media Network the leading online provider of audio and video coverage for your Boston Celtics and John. It looks like we're going to have a season the draft is right around the corner and trade rumors abound so we have plenty to talk about we took a couple of weeks off. Thank you politics, and now we're back and seriously like the draft is in nine days, but it looked like for a little while there that there was not going to be a season until into the new year and I think you actually predicted that you were pretty certain that this was going to go before Christmas looks like it will December 22nd, but I was I got to be honest with you. I was not I was pretty skeptical that that was going to happen. I I kind of felt like they were going to push it back a little bit the short off-season you even look at the NFL people are going to be worried about injuries and things like that and you know players missing time potentially with covid-19 Oh Sees and all of that and it's going to be a little bit different the way they do it this season than what we saw the bubble. So I'm interested my interest is piqued, but I am happy that we're not going to have a big, you know long drawn-out offseason wage. That winds up staggering two more seasons this at least gives the MBA the opportunity to get back on schedule if the world is back on schedule a year from now. It does I mean the problem the problem with the whole thing with the draft after draft, but you know getting things going to have the draft had to have free agency, you know, you had to you know, kind of took the whole structure of what the league was going to look like for the next, you know, nine months what have you but the whole the whole issue was money, you know, it was all about money and I understand the players wage wanted to push it out. They wanted to wait. They wanted to have more time between the end of the season and and when the season would start in the last season the start of the new season, I completely understand that but you know, the issue that you could you get eighteen eight and the franchises haven't played a game since March 13th. And this is it's going to be almost nine months actually month since the last time and think about all the Fringe players, you know with with small contracts. It's one thing if you've made if you're a star if you've made Millions said Years in a row now, right you can survive this but there's actually a lot of players. This is literally their livelihood and dedicated their whole life to it. I'm not saying that that's worth anybody's life. I'm not, you know taking a position on covid-19 Dat but at the end of the day when you sit down and you're really talking about that as a union, I'm sure that there are a number of voices off, you know, Inside the NBA players union that have made that very same point listen easy for you to say you're a millionaire and you can sit on that for a while. But you know the rest of us off, you know, there's many of them that are still growing in a way, you know, they might have just made it up and and even then the stars are going to have to take a hit financially. You don't play games. You don't play as many games you don't put stands fans in the stands. There's just not enough money to go around and they were going to feel that crunch too. Cuz the reality is you can't keep getting that huge salary. The League's going to go under, New Jersey. If you're not playing games, then they don't put stands in the fans either. So on the map thank goodness that I can rock. One out there, you know, and nobody is going back home that no. No, why would they and why should they know but anyway, yeah, so listen, like totally like I totally understand it. The problem was is the math problem, right? You can get 72 games in and this is you know, you talked about this. She's like seventy two games smaller season cut it shorter but you gotta have games you gotta have something on T. Otherwise, you're not getting your plan. You're hugging your TV button if they don't TV money, they got nothing, you know, and as it is nothing there is nothing else you're taking a tremendous are cut. Okay, just to go to 72 teams, you know, the the the Boost in the you know the amount of there with home. Doing the amount of absolute, you know, probably, you know the outright cut probably in the cap growth. I mean that's that's a problem, you know, and they're going to lose money over this so you just say well we want to start in January, you know and start around Martin Luther King day. It's fine in theory but in practice jobs I get paid and if they want to try to get on a regular schedule, it just wasn't going to happen. So I'm glad it worked out. I'm glad they found a way to kind of work. It's waits for probably have a chance to talk about it. I'd be interested to see how the schedule looks because I think that will have a lot of impact in terms of how this really does impact teams. But I was I'm actually I'm happy about the Christmas day. You know, I I understand like you said there's there's a lot of issues a lot of problems with covalent the NFL teams and MLB teams and Thursday. All ran into that we're not in a bubble environment. But like that's the world we're dealing with, you know, everybody's work places are dealing with. Well schools are dealing with that and clearly he's clearly the MBA is committed because think about how difficult it's going to be to manage the draft and then lay out that schedule home in this amount of time. We're talking a month and half in a month and half they have to do the NBA draft and get their schedule figured out. When did Training Camps open? Do we have a date for that yet, December one or three weeks away from Camp feels like we just finished the season cuz we did and then and then they've got to figure out what their schedule is going to break like it's six weeks from now and and with all these considerations don't mind and their contingency planning and all of it. I think you meant though wage. They going to do their schedule now. Well, right they have to have a map and the other pieces that after December one there. He's going to have three scrimmages now country, you know gets another feed. So now what helps is that at least there's no concerts, you know, it may be an NHL team that's working on a something in that that's really all they're going to have to worry about so like the Celtics case, you know, usually there's a battle of trying to figure out what what are the Bruins doing cuz the Bruins all the building and then we're what's going on with the concerts not as much, you know to to worry about in that regard assuming they're playing at the Garden. We don't think we've even heard officially where they're going to play. I mean I had her off at some point that there was some talk that they can go to the Arab accent and play there. I don't know if that actually would happen but you know there there was talk about so I assume those conversations. We're going on between the Celtics and and the Bruins, you know, TD Garden options the conditions at the Auerbach Center. Probably going to be something that opposing teams would appreciate to write. I mean just think you can come in and you have a whole training facility. Why not honestly, you know in the words of Carytown. Why not? Oh dear. Yeah. So I mean, I think I think it's great. I mean, I know people are upset and you know, why didn't LeBron get more time and change something about LeBron you got they have three full eight full franchises. You know, you got what fifteen I mean you got 100 NBA players that are sitting on the sidelines on what the heck's going on. You know, what am I going to try? I mean, you know, you can do as much super super star store Service as you want, but it comes down to it. You gotta look for overall health believe God And while I don't think that this, you know, the bubble was as financially successful as they wanted it to be but it helped them to do what they needed to do, but they could schedule the even the testing right the testing was something that we really, you know, LED Society in a lot of ways, you know, just the way that they approached it and the way they locked it down. And so they they had the best go of covid-19 went there first season out. That's for sure. I mean it costs them a ton to do it. But Ryan had a fireman and took all that and I you know, so but they did it was successful. I think it was like you said, I think it was for society helped but I think you know now that we've kind of sucked ass where they were, you know in the summer and we were as a culture in the spring I think you know, and of course we got the news today about 5 a.m. Or whatever happens there and you kind of more about that than I do but it seems promising at least, you know, Springtime will maybe better and all that. So, you know, I think that there's room for optimism and primer day is hoping you know, maybe you know, some things will ease up but must say about fans writing like I'm just saying he's easing than a you know, she came from the fact that everything going up every day and and you know, the cases are going up and it's just kind of sucked the springtime should be better. That's a good thing. So, I think that's exciting. I'm I'm I'm glad to have something to watch. I'm sure that the NBA will do their darndest to try to make it as safe as they can without a bubble environment. But you know the reality is that even with our best and circumstances and doing all we can people get in and that sucks, but that's you know, unfortunately that's kind of where we are. So cool. Well again, if things do improve the treatments improve they start to be able to vaccinate the more vulnerable parts of the population, you know, you know, we can really close the gaps wage hospitalizations and and deaths, you know, things will get more comfortable. This gives them an opportunity though. Like I said it to get back to the way things were I think a lot of people were you hoping that this would be an experimental ground for a total change of the way they do the league. I think we learned they really don't want to change it a ton. Although I'm interested in your take on the playoff format and whether you think that will stick not so much whether or not you liked it, but you know six what is it six through ten play for the final two six packs know seven eight. Yeah, seven through ten seven eight nine ten. There's the for anyone had it wrong. They played for two spots. Do you like it? I guess I'm going to both you like it and do you think it'll suck? I do. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I like it in I think it'll stick. I think I think the league found something that makes everything a little bit more interesting finds it a little bit more appealing to their fan base. You know what he's never out of it as mine. Yeah, that is French is a bunch of teams that are kind of packed in anyway, and all hanging on wage rate. Those teams are can far usually any type of you know, usually anyway, but you know, I don't think it'll be as exciting as well as this deal with, you know, Phoenix going eating out and you know, I mean that was a that was a unique experience. Will you play 72 games or or eighty-two games? I don't think the basketball is going to be you know as compelling as what was going to happen with with the you know, Phoenix and Portland in Memphis. I don't think you're going to find that on on a regular basis, but you know, you're always looking for those what's going to happen birth. Scenarios and I think more teams are in it in April and March. I think that's better for the NBA. I think, you know, I know they still too many teams are in the playoffs, but frankly, I think it has a little bit more, and I think you know rather than that, you know one game here one game there, you know falling Portland's Planet see the size and Affiliated are they going to win of the sitting all their players type of situation here, at least if you're in if you're close, then you're going to go to play your way in I think you know, I think that also benefits the teams with normal rest. I thought poorly Was Heard by a personal life. I thought they had to run too hard by the time they got close they didn't have much left in the tank. But I think that it I think is a good thing if they get regular rest now that condensed bubbles schedule. I think I will be more robe more competitive against those top teams. Do you think yeah, I do. It's interesting to like you have teams that fall down. Cuz of injuries, you know a team like Washington stands out in my mind over the last several years where they look like they're kind of out of it, but they never fall right to the bottom and then you know, if if they're able to get everybody healthy, I think we're going to see, you know, maybe a 9 or a 10 team somewhere along the way that just has an unlucky season with health and actually climbs in do I think that that anybody from 7 through 10:00 is going to make the finals or even the Eastern Conference Finals? No, probably not. You know, it might happen someday, but it's extremely unlikely, you know, I look at Miami and and they they climbed but they still weren't that far down right? They were in the middle bounce it around what between 5 and 3 at any point during the season. Yeah, so that that 7 through 10:00 still even with injuries is an issue, but they could definitely make some noise and everybody loves an underdog everybody loves the hope of that and I think that can definitely be Fit the league and I think it'll make some of those, you know, even setting up those early rounds be a little more interesting. They'll be a more of a story coming into it rather than all right your first place Eastern Conference Celtics going up against, you know, so-and-so and Orlando and you know, everybody expects us to be a short series. Well Orlando plays a playoff, you know, does the the what is it is going to take three wins, right they play and then they play the winner thought well, maybe know I guess I guess if it's a clean sweep, it's two games and if you lower it go then it's three, right? Yeah it lower CD had to win two, but I proceeded wanted to win one. So yeah, but you know, that's a great point though about the narrative. I hadn't really thought about that but you're right and I did happen here, you know, it's kind of like March Madness or that kind of Underdog theme song. You start their kind of Scrappy and they're pulling it together and you like I like those guys. Usually, you know, usually they're not well regarded team that are going in there against you know, heavyweight teams, you know, the Lakers or you know, Milwaukee or you know, the the Warriors and you know recent years now, you've got there's a rooting interest to root for the underdog. You know, I think that's I think that you're right. I hadn't really thought about that but Bill surger, and they need it and they need it because you know what they're doing instead right now. They're not that I'm bitter their home tending Series in certain rounds where they think you know where they think they can get viewers but to your point, you know, Portland didn't quite have to Lake didn't have the legs every they're always fine with that top seed just blowing through it. I know it didn't work out for Milwaukee either but they're fine with the top see just blowing through it because they're trying to build drama in the more closely seeded, you know dead. Games, but then those end up going seven so that the NBA can Max it out. And anybody who tells me that there is a maneuvering there is full of it. Right? Otherwise there would be years where I bought a bunch of series only go four or five games and they keep moving along in the postseason, but for some reason that just doesn't happen. So anyway the point being I think this will help with that a little but I think it'll help build some drama and and maybe maybe it'll make it worse. Honestly it could me. I see now that I'm even hearing myself talk. It could make it worse. It could absolutely make that drama P, but maybe it would happen against the number one team right? You got that upstart, you know again, maybe it's the Orlando Magic get that upstart team that you know is getting a little bit older and Dumber they're ready to make some noise and the next thing you know, you know, they're playing the the first place bucks Celtics Raptors Philly, maybe even who knows at some point and dead. You know, they're they're making a statement and that thing drags out seven. Like if you think back to the the what was the year against the Hawks in the 08 Championship right that first round like that then got drugged out that could you know that you could see that happen. So anyway, let's move on to the draft and I know this is your favorite time of the year. So I'm really don't want to rob you of your of your draft Bonanza and we have a few different things we're going to be talking about but I'm going to throw the ad read in here from betonline.ag NFL football continues this week, which has a few surprise teams at the top of the standings and you might not be at a game this year, but you can still be in on all the action had been online no matter how schedules change your players that play bet online is going the extra mile to make sure that you can get in on every game this season with the fastest updated odds in the game. History, there are always more options to wager than anywhere else online had to bet online online today and take advantage of all the great mid-season bonuses office and contest betonline.ag your online Sportsbook experts. Right. What are you betting on in the draft any chance of Celtics move up to even want him to move up? We can always talk a little bit about our boy Kevin O'Connor and his Dragon, may have to go into that the little bit as well. Yeah. Well, let's talk about the like what it is, right. So what everyone seems to say like there's there's one through three and then there's everybody else like it kind of goes like 4 to like You know 4 to 9 and then like tend to like twenty that's kind of like there's like three cheers there. But the thing is is like everyone feels like if you're in the middle of the draft, I've where the cellphone or you can get a player who's like a good role player and you know, one of themselves they got their stock right just in case is the man like he is the guy he's the strongest terms the dog, right? So then what we got number two guy in Jaylen Brown who could be up the best player on the other team and you know, but provide offense and he's still growing and developing got him kind of old guys tied down long-term. So then what like what do you need? I mean it take best player available at a great little running thing going on with your car today about what's the value of it or in a big shooter in a big just took a show. Right? Right. So to me, like we're the Celtics are I think if there's a guy that they want so they get ahead of everybody on the on the on the list off. They can probably move up. I think that there's going to be teams, you know, you look at who's available or should say who's apples neck kind of you know for you know from 4 down all of those teams want to get out of that spot. They want to they want to build they want to have it done within season a long time where it's you know, the Wizards of the Cavs of the Pistons and the mix of the south Phoenix. I mean, none of those teams have been in the playoffs in a long long time talks. I guess more recently, you know with the outdoor 14, but it's been a while, So let me throw this at you. I never like picking older players in the draft in the past and and a big reason for that though is because you know, I watch players that have more upside, but you just you just brought up a great point. You got Jayson Tatum, you know, you got Jaylen Brown. I mean even a Marcus Smart dog. And I said shoot her in a bag, but they could they could still use a point guard a backup point guard and then get a little more flexibility with whatever they do with Marcus, but these rookies there there's you know, we don't need Brad plays and we know how dark played them. We know how hard it is for them to get minutes. But then you look at a player like Grant Williams who got a good amount of time and he was an older player that they picked off but you're kind of getting that rookie veteran and they're not necessarily the same as having a veteran but outside of them being able to package some of these pics I you know, or do some sort of like slice and dice kind of package with with Hayward, you know, getting some veterans, you know in better and help they're pretty much just going to have you know, what the vet minimum maybe something along that line or the one of the exceptions they're they give you a call right now, so they got the they got the mle that'll help them get one. But if they're going to make these wage X I'm actually in favor with getting a little bit, you know older and I don't know who knows like you said after 4 it all mixes up, you know, like top in my drop down a little bit off and that's he he's a guy would not have wanted in drafts previous. Right and like 22.2 years old, you know, that's that's way out of my age range man. I'm going 19 and change and under you know, if it says 20, I don't even look at them in years past but but you know, what, if you look at the you know, and he's still not he's still he's still not necessarily the you know, the veteran type even though he's an older girl player, but I think you gotta look at some of those older guys. So this is what I want to do and I don't know that anybody else is done this, but if you look at the draft off Have to pick somebody 20 or older. And tell me who the Celtics get, you know that fits kind of that criteria at twenty or older that maybe is you know, at least going to make it 2:14. Or has a shot that'd be in the 14th pecker. Later. All right. So Jaylon Smith. Can we agree? No, I'm not. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know that he Running I think they need a guy who's defense first, I guess in the middle of shooting a guy who's going to drop the 14 who's twenty-year-olds Citibank probably be the guy just going to say three indeed way. They need they need I think that if you're going to add so we're going to talk about a word with second, right? What about precious? No, I don't think I think that they I don't think they need I mean I think that if they're going to get a big they get somebody like who is who's he said? Well, yeah, I think I don't think necessarily he's going to be I mean a cable cars. 3rd. I don't know necessarily going to go that high. He could he could always fourteen. I don't know but I think you can train into that's what I'm saying is I think there's there's teams. They're they're going to want either more pics and still get a quality player. If they're smart. They'll want more put put more, you know more swings the bat so faith in Port Fourteen and 626 together. I leave you be getting a lower, you know that 789 range, you know, and if you can do that, all right, and you can't turn it up. Where's what about Cole Anthony I get what you're saying we can go back to that. But what about like, you know, I don't like Cole Anthony. Everything's been good boys played for North Carolina. No, no. No, I mean, he's he's he's his shoes off there right now down to get there. I mean, he's kind of got that not that greatest size. You know, he's I don't think he doesn't he doesn't do much. All right. Well if it down I'm just working the ages here. What about Flynn? Like I think the thing that you need to get is you need to get somebody who's a long either a good secondary playmaker. You need somebody who's a shooter somebody who's a Defender like low, you know kind of low usage. That's not cool Anthony if you're saying he's your your dog coming off the bench who's going to like come in and be a spark plug baby, but I I'd rather have players out if I'm picking the first grab I want to fourteen. I want to pick play a game. You can play with and compliment jail and adjacent really. Well. Yeah. Yeah, I get that. I get put there still you go with those younger players and you gotta understand they're just not going to change its next year. Anyway, I know you're saying long-term and and whatnot. I'm I'm there. But what what about drafting older players right A lot of people they can trust just cuz the experience level like again going to Flynn from San Diego State twenty-two-year-old can run the pick-and-roll can shoot from outside ready for the pros. I'm not going to be you know, limits mistakes, etcetera, you know, everything that I'm just reading off here, but you know, I didn't really watch any college ball. I don't know anything's process. Yeah, but yeah, I think he's friends second round. I think you could get him at 3726. So I don't think I don't think you spend fourteen on a guy like that. You know, I think if you're if you're picking fourteen, you're going to get wage. Oh you misunderstood I'm talking about a top-to-bottom. Like if you can take over guys with any of the three packs, you know what I mean? And you're and you're going over over the age of twenty, you know, it could be one of those later picks. I'm not necessarily saying the second round cuz cuz I think with the second round, you know, you're into carsen Edwards territory, right? Oh, but Faith, but I'm saying older players maybe even if you pick them up a little bit early because the talent drop-off is in huge at a certain point. You're just trying to go like I'm saying are there guys that you can pick with any of these three packs that are in college that can play a little bit more like a pro and give them, you know a lift cuz even Miami got that last year, right? Yeah, but but that that's kind of against type thing because hee-ro is is Young, you know, like that's like I don't think age. Last to be the what you learned from last year at the age isn't the deciding factor, right? Conversely Leverage is going to turn twenty-three. I think before the former start the season maybe pretty close, you know, I mean, he's he's an older player right? He's going to be twenty-three. He you know was twenty-two now, you know, he was kind of an older player game, you know, it didn't work out. So I think you need a lot of things you need opportunity you need, you know, the right skillset, you know, you need to have and you need to complement what your needs are met in Carson Edwards. Everything was t. For carsen Edwards the command and be that bad score for them and the problem with he couldn't he couldn't able to score efficiently or Square it all some cases so long. I think it's I think it's much more about I hate to say team need but I think it's much more about opportunity particular for one of those older players because you're not looking at what their potential is dead. Road you're looking at like really like right here now, right, you know, so I would never look at it like I would say never but I think if I'm looking for something for immediate contribution, I need to not look at the draft. You know, I think that's a problem when you start to do they got moves his pecs then it might as well use it for filler. Yeah, you gotta move them. Well, I don't yeah, I hear what you're saying. I mean, I think I would try to take a swing of the bat with one. That's why I think packaging and moving up makes a ton of sense get the one guy who's better than all the other guys in that middle rat range and wage. If you hold on to 30 and you take a draft-and-stash or you hold on to 30 and that's someone who you think is maybe more prepared to play now, like like everyone's been mocking Killian Tillie to the office Politics as a big skilled big who gets hurt a lot. But you know, he can he can do quite a bit and price his healthy eater that a lottery guy, you know two years ago, but he's you know, he's kind of that. Brad Stevens type, you know guy who can shoot and score. I mean kind of like kind of like moralistic should have been you know, some kind of works out for them not to take ahead of you, but you know laughs we're going to move on, you know, I but yeah, I think to me the biggest question for something for the phones perspective is like what you need. What do you value? You know, what do you need on this team long-term, you know, you've got you've got an o5s type that kind of long lead jumper that not sure he knows where he's got to be on a given circumstance. He had Grant Williams who short and stocky but not sure, you know, does he have enough defensive versatility, you know, just where do you play them? Can you the small ball five on the team you got Romeo's was hurt all the time, but has some good job. The guard situation below what more suspect than I think that's why so many so many locks have had RJ Hampton or cure Louis, you know, you know kind of tagged 2014 does it kind of feels like there's a spot there and they're a little bit seeing if that position on the other hand if you outside of Romeo, what are the folks really don't have any wings for em back up and even the way that they play and they want to play they are a little bit scared that position so danger kind of convinced me that the think a little bit differently about that. What about Aaron Naismith 3D? Yeah, I mean I I don't know. I didn't watch a lot of Vanderbilt this year to be fair wage, so I can't really say that I I have a great deal for him. So, I don't know. I'm not sure about him if they picked him and they send out really need another Wing. I mean, there's so even with Hayward leaving. They've got Langford. They're dead. You don't worries. Me too. It's like shooting like I feel a little bit burned on the oldest guy that great shooter thing, right we heard about James Young heard about it. We heard about about Carson Edwards wage, like doesn't always translate, you know, I mean, it did propeller Arrow, but he didn't come to the Celtics, you know, so what what, you know, the songs have been taking place at you and they teach them to shoot, you know, they haven't done as well with players who can chew and continue to shoot well and frankly, you look a lot of players to come out of college not it's usually there's not like a one-to-one of great shoes who's still erase Shooters, you know, there's it's not always it doesn't always work the When we wanted to and that regard, so it's tough to say like it doesn't always translate and I don't know if that's opportunity. That's confidence. I'm not sure what that is, but it doesn't seem to always work. Well with has worthwhile in Boston taking weighing or you know, flexible players defensively flexible players who could get a number of different positions and can be taught to shoot, you know at work with smart and work with Jaylin and we're going to see what happens with him in Romeo, but that I think they've they've done well with that type of archetype, you know, we'll see if they can do that with with you know, the next guy but I don't think I wouldn't want to take I would want to take a players who fit Brad Stevens system as a Sit well with Jay Leno Jason see, you know, like Precious. I don't think of that guy we've seen so many years situations where the Celtics take the Dead. Big guys, you know and like your post their slightly other flexible, but you know, they're really much more right around the rim and about rebounding and all that and it just doesn't seem to translate dead. You know, I don't know maybe maybe they haven't had the right guy but just feels like we've tried that and go on to that. He played that note one too many times and just something that seemed to hit home, you know. Yeah, I can see where Hamptons a good fit. I really can't. All right, we gotta move on to Hayward. We might be in one more show before the draft off. But yeah, you know, we we wind up hearing from an old Bostonian ryen Russillo says that Hayward may wash out. I didn't realize Ryan got hired by the ringer by the way, but you know, it's awkward situation in Boston, but I always liked him. How is like this takes? I always like to start off. But awkward. So anyway, he's he's he's on the other coast now apparently or he's working from home in Boston for a based off. I know he's out there he's okay. I thought so. Yeah. So we've got Kevin Ryan and Simmons out there like Kevin anyway know I do like Ryan wage, but but I I'll be honest with you when I first saw that I went whatever, you know, creating the drop on creating the, why would Herod why would he would not leave and then I thought about it some more time. Like now he would probably does want to leave he's positioning for signing trade. There's no way he's not picking up his option. Yeah, well, you know what? I think it is, you know, I want to give credit to call Master home and and you know his podcast, you know time and the Korean Christian cuz they talked about this today and there was a report. I want to say in September that I saw came across know really picked it up, but it talked about the fact that the key words bought this giant house with Indianapolis in Fishers, Indiana like giant house and then they apparently when they were asked about it, they refused to comment which is kind of a weird thing. Right like, you know, there's a way to stay like well we love Indiana that's where we're from and you know, we want to have a base here as well. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it's an easy answer. It's an easy answer instead of you know in by opting out of that answer. Yep, you know, like a lot of times. I mean, I would get it but like you said that was an easy, you know, I love indeed and it's where I grew up and we're going to have Roots here going to be around friends and family data, you know et cetera, but but not saying birth. Thing seems to indicate that you know, it could divulge tampering or whatever other issues or start rumors ahead of Trades and all of that kind of stuff that could be an issue so long. So who do you think is coming back though? Do you think it's definitely Turner? We well you and I are big fans of sabonis. That's all I'm saying. Yeah wage. Yes, if they can get the bonus I would do it tomorrow. I don't think they can I mean because the money they just signed into a long deal which I think is great probably adds to his values. But yeah, you could if you're Indiana, why would you take I mean unless you could sign and trade but you're going to take a twenty-three-year-old center of a future and trade them for a thirty-year-old, you know in Jersey the Cornerstone maybe but that just seems like a lot for Saturday. We give them to sweeten the pot right? I mean you could give them Langford that opens up a web page. 3 inde in the draft, you know position on the roster you'd have to do like a probably a big you probably because you got a lot of things over off you'd have to talk about a you know, you got type of Rob and I have Parkville morning to 6:30. I mean, I think it would be pretty pricey to get him because he's he's All-Star caliber player Simona, you know, I don't think you can I don't think there's a way they can make that work honestly, but what I love it, yeah. Hell yeah, I mean I signed up for that but I just to me it seems like you're going to get you life bonus way more than Turner. Like do you do you think I mean is it just not even close for you? The idea of of Turner is better, but the bulb practice and the reality of Turner hasn't matched up and his inability to defend consistent gamble. You want a guy who's going to play in the right way? and can rebound Well, I like what sabonis is passing opens up for them. I think is rebounding and good. I think you can shoot the ball. Well, I mean, he's he doesn't have the defensive abilities of of a nice-looking Aaron Baynes but airing was able to set screens and and add shooting and you know do enough money to keep them, you know a different to be a difficult team I could see, you know, kind of a jokic light situation if he was here he's not going to have the app usage but you know to be able to turn your your big man into you know, the pivot of your of your passing kind of like what they were doing with Horford your last year. I think that just opens up so long for the Celtics and so bonus is much more the type. I just don't think it's going to happen. I don't want to even believe it you just even mention it to me is is kind of like putting me in a position where I'm like well maybe dead. I really should not because this is setting me up for failure, but that would be they really can't roll with simonis and Turner. It doesn't seem like I don't they got a package and that's why I think so. If you're going to make a deal, I think you got a gamble. I actually think sabonis might be the easier one for them in some respect and you know a better match with the Celtics for all the reasons. You just said, right like they could keep developing Rob Williams or they could get somebody like sabonis who plays fundamentally the right way can still defer birthday to Tatum and brown in and here's the thing he can rebound. So whatever you're losing and defense like I'm just so sick of getting killed on the glass wage. I thought that canterwood get some more minutes in certain circumstances, but that's not the case but sabonis can shoot from the outside and he can get those rebounds. I willing to give up d e And in today's NBA you got a clamp down and you gotta play hard but the switch ability of this team. Do you think that sabonis hurts their switch ability a little bit though? Cuz I could see them. Yeah, I can see where that that might be a bit of a challenge but but who picks on him who picks on him that that brown and Tatum and smart can't rotate over to cover off. Well, yeah, well, that's that's true. But you know when you have Kemba and you have sabonis, you have two players who are not positive Defenders out their home. So that that's you already doing work to hide Kemba. Now you're going to now you gotta hide your big to that that is problematic for a number of reasons. You know what I mean? Do I I think that sabonis You know, the number is actually defensively I'm looking at I'm just kind of went into the defensively sabonis and and off and turn the safety rating last year, which is kind of interesting. They both 105 both of our 105 incentive rebate 100 possessions. This other teams, 4.5 points both times. So they're they're when they're on the court where as bad December's evenly I think the reason why cycle turns cuz I think he's one as well and I don't think you're going to get anything of value without giving up too much. Maybe I'm Boston side of it. You know, some people have said, well, you know, she did get, you know, Talent of life for a diag they feel for Hayward. You add some depth, but at the same point hit a couple different spots, you know, maybe a big and the shooter or you know, a or maybe a bath A backup point guard, you know, that's another way to go with it. But I feel like the seller seem to focus on who the Best Buy who were the pride that they need to to roll with. That's what I want to do with the tailored trade. I'd like to see people trade is it they turn Hayward into the guy who's part of their new, you know clothing line up, you know, and I'm not sure that the Tyson's that got one more year on this deal. I'm just not sure that you know that that he has enough to make it go. I don't think he can play the minutes consistently to be there. I'm just I'm just not a believer in that so but the guy who is that has to be defending. That's why I was talking about a, who talk about, you know, the draft the problem is lack of 20 or 19 and he's not going to be ready to probably do that next year. So know what it's a problem, you know, but maybe the answer is you trade up on the graph dead. Ambu trade Hayward and yeah, you gotta come together, right? You know, you have the long-term answer but you get some short-term help that can help you to be competitive but also have that guy. Who's your backup big who's really going to be the the answer, you know come, you know, 2024 2021-22 season cuz that's the thing real quick is that there's no training camp. I mean how much can you really learn of a team in three people? You said that on the last show the drafts? That's why I'm saying these players are useless unless they're in their twenties is exactly why I went down that path. You know what I mean? Because it's like what do you do here so trades we shall see we have more time to discuss. It may have one more show before we hit the draft. Maybe not we'll see what happens in between a lot of work for these front offices and the NBA in a very short period of time. But the players committed we're going to have it and it's going to be right back in the NBA season before you know it everybody so I'm glad we're not going to have the the August month old rooms this season, but we we had we had an April May June and maybe early July doldrums. So here we are will be interesting but that's going to do it for this week's episode of Celtic stuff live really appreciate everybody listening and a heartfelt. Thank you. You can follow Celtic stuff live on off iTunes Stitcher Google Play and Spotify. 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635: Celtics Play In Palooza

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635: Celtics Play In Palooza

"Right there off, Thursday morning, normally normally, welcome to Celtic stuff live on the ceiling test media Network, the leading online provider of audio and video coverage for the Boston Celtics. And isn't it, cool? How I can start that with just such exuberance that excitement cuz it's more energy than the Celtics have put into a game. And well, an entire game in quite a. While John took some real tough to watch, man, and we've been through so many iterations of complaining about them and, you know, there's been dead. how many times where we said, oh You know, it's just a tough season or, oh, you know, they're just trying to get overcoat. And I just at this point when you watch Aaron Nesmith being, you know, the the big chungus consistent effort Giver, you know, not that he's making all the right reads and the right decisions all the time, right? When he is, like, just Far and Away the highest birth giver maybe save 48 a little bit and chemists got his moments, but it seems like when chemists successful, the team isn't at this point. But, but when these myth is the one that's just out there or turn it up, A lot criticizing Nesmith. When I say this it's just it's like a it's such a marker of just how much. I think these guys are just tired of the Season, I'll be honest with you. I think they're just tired of that. They're trying to be professionals, they're trying to do their job. They're not intentionally necessarily giving up but they gave up dude. They're just, they're exhausted injuries. They're exhausted with having to get out there. It's still exhausted from the playoffs and the bubble that, you know, they're just, they're just not their home life. Yeah, yeah, I think so. Let's let's let's go back. Almost, you know, twenty months at this point we were excited because we had a guy in Kemba Walker who had just signed with the Celtics he was going to go play v-ball with Jaylin. Jason dead. And Marcus Smart and they were going to build some chemistry. And that team did come out of the gate. Hot Kemba played great job Tatum was a little slow to kind of get going that year. But in time that team exceeded expectations, Oh, by February bananas really, you've had headed year, you know, obviously the issues with kemba's need were were considerable and and that may have slowed where they could have gotten Hayward wage was healthy. Apart from the, the, the fracture of his finger there in November had a pretty good season had some highs, was not, you know, the the high-scoring off my volume guy that he had been in part, in in Utah. But was really rounded into form compared to his, the, prior season. And they, they, they took off all the Badness off. All the crap of that final Kyrie year. That was all gone going to the bubble. The come into the bubble plane, as well as really, anybody is they, when entering the playoff really had a good shot, I think to to go deep and get to the finals. And then here, we're gets hurt. They kind of lose their way, mentally, I think in particular, in part in the Raptor series, but definitely in the Miami Heat series, let a team that I think, is better than we thought at that time, but it seemed I think they were certainly close with really take, you know, take their lunch money and I think ever since then this team has been struggling. You know eight weeks in between wage was just not enough time and so you've got a team it's really been playing since fever ball twenty months ago and you could say uninterrupted but you know, the Kobe Bryant wasn't really the birth. That we think it was and I think it, I think they, I think you're right. They're trying, I mean, to the way that they normally during it off season and all that. Yeah, I I think they were, I think it's a mental exhaustion more so than a physical exhaustion. And then, oh, by the way, your best player head cold had your fourth or so best player had had covid-19. It was awful and and and the absences and and certainly right now where we are, but there was a stretch here and, and we don't know exactly what's going on with how long ago gem did hurt that wrist but there is a. They're they, they went like eight 1 or something else, that really good record of the after we've kind of tore him up on here and off. And then, you know, there's the OKC game, there's the Charlotte game. There's the, what was the all the Brooklyn game, which you know, was expected wage those three losses in the, you know, in a row or kind of like the harbinger of what was to come and after that, it's been, it's been dog, crap city life. It's just been horrendous and I I think they could do better than this. I think that we should expect them to have done better than this but I see they're tired. Like you said, it's just that's just what it is, right? I mean wage and then when you go from a lot, yeah, there's a lot but that's probably the biggest piece and Justin, you know, like Scouts comments in the first place because we're recording this at the halftime will actually it's the start of the third quarter now in the Boston Cleveland game, but just listening to scalp and and she said something earlier about, I don't know why this team is so reluctant to go to the rim. And my Mike said I was just about to say that because you see them passing up on it and wage. You know, I'm not going to turn this into an officials thing, but their lack of effort is leading to their non calls, and they don't see it or at least if they do see it, they're not dead. Changing their behavior around. It Tatum has been actually much more aggressive probably for four weeks now and trying to, you know, get in there. But I think that was wage. I think some of that was covered impact, right? Like, I'm a good shooter and I'm exhausted, and I've only got so much and they need me to do so much. So I'm going to do, I sold out here and and do my little side. Step Back Fade, three, move every time. I'm predictably but, but that's not the the Jayson Tatum that, I'm seeing now. But, but for the most part, the team is just not going inside and, you know, Tristan Thompson is a great rebounder but don't you find yourself wage missing a little bit of cancerous offense underneath there. Like the way he front rims. Everything is annoying like dude. Yep. Judy a couple of times and see if you can't Bank it because hit the front rim on your little jump hook. Every time it's, you're not going to get the bounce to, you're not going to get the luck and sometimes it just took the way it's supposed to. But it's been a weird season for him that way and it's that's like their move when they want to go inside. For the most part, you know, there was a really cool little back door, kind of cut off for a 40 a in this game against Cleveland and I think it was cornet that hit him with the past if I recall it correctly and there's little wrinkles like that. But you know, where do we go now, you know, one thing I will say is Brad's offense needs to get more exciting or more complicated or more simple with more action. I don't you know I don't know what it is that he exactly needs to do that. Would fit his defensive schemes. You know, in some ways is a log. Like Doc because it's a defensive oriented coach. So it's like, get back, right? You never going to expect a lot of offensive rebounds and there's a criticism for that on this team because statistically a bears out but that's stylistic not having ball movement. Not coming back. Fast up. The court with a counterpunch after they just were a sieve of a defense to apply pressure on the other team. Like this team is, the young was young. I don't know where they are at now, but they were the youngest team in the NBA. And they have loads of playoff experience amongst those young players. There is no reason for them, not to use those legs on offense off of it leads to turnovers. Think there's gotta be every once in a while where they just get into a game and try to outrun them and that's not Brad style and I I dead Always been super reluctant to criticize Brad, but I think there's got to be stretches where he's got to encourage them to do that, just to get their energy level up just to get their excitement up. Life is so three, indeed, sometimes it's painful to watch and I can't tell you how many times I can tell you, John, cuz I've already told you in text messages. I can't tell. You, I'm going to fall asleep watching this team over the last three weeks. And, you know, maybe it's allergies and I'm just a little run-down. But but, but a lot of it has to do with the fact that when I'm watching them, it's, it's just all exciting. And, and I rather they win than be exciting, but they're not winning. So Brad. Make them exciting. Even if they suck at still, you know, we're at a point now and I get it. They're close to the postseason and they gotta work their offense and they gotta work their system and they're trying to dial it in. But this season's a lost cause Dude, you said at what two shows ago let's just fall out of it and go get a draft pick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I'm going to I'm not going to give them a pass. I'm but, you know, you can have the best offense ever but if nobody has any energy you're not it's not going to look good for anybody. So you know I'm part the first thing we're talking about, get up some energy. I but they're I don't know like how much is left in the tank, that's what I'm saying. Like I don't even know if they they have it in them to do it. You know, it's I think it's a mental focus thing like they know what they're supposed to do and it's like Kemba said in the post-game after the you know the second Heat game here or you know it's like sometimes we defend sometimes you know a couple of possessions our role defend well and then for some reason we stopped you know and and that to me is it's about Focus wage. About mental exhaustion, you know, commitment to each other commitment to what what you're trying to do, you know, and prose, can't do that. I, you know, high school teams can can get away with it. You know, you always got so much talent and that's I think, partly, why everyone says that the steam, you know, thinks they're, oh my God, bless 48, just missed a layup and then Tatum just man, he got. Follow my goodness, have you? He got fouled? Yeah. Yeah, you saw the body language, right? Like I like him just slumped over. Like, are you guys serious right now? Oh, I did get the fowl at least rates back up. I mean, that's just like that. It's so funny that you were watching at the same time cuz I'm about to comment on it. And I didn't want to break your stride, but since you broke your own stride, what the heck? Let's address it. Oh, and that's yeah. Because I mean, I think that's the third thing, right? Cuz I just to put a dog On that. I think you're right. I think that they do have to Brad. Has got to change his philosophy. I think it particular offensively. I think he can coach defense better. I think if he has practice, he can get these guys when they need to be. I, I I don't, I'm not worried. We should be. I mean, the results are absolutely wrong. You know, poor I mean, poor is not even enough to talk about what the results have been defensively here over the last two or three weeks. But but I think offensively the wage in imagination. And, and, and, and the lack of zip that this team has shown over the last, you know, throughout the season really now you can say that's the energy or whatever. But but this has been a criticism throughout and if you're going to have it off as it's going to run through Wing players, which I don't see any other way. That it anyway, that it won't. You know, I think you had To do something differently than give the ball to a wing player and let them create something for their for their office, you know, for the team, you know, they don't Wing players, don't think we have that creativity within them, some do your LeBron James, you know, you can do that but Jaylen, Brown and Jayson, Tatum as, as great as strong as they've made as players, and I'd give him all the credit in the world. And I think they have further to go and building those those bonafides. But I think they, they need more structure in their offense sets, to make better better of, you know, opportunities for them to take advantage of them, you know, High screen-and-roll a thousand times, you know, unless it's Rob Williams, it's a pretty. It's it's a hit-or-miss proposition because it's a transparent system. Yeah it is. So predictable it is dead. And, you know, running pick-and-roll is a staple in the NBA. They like, you know, without Rob though, that that's issue. I mean, that's the that's really the issue, is that Rob, and that's why they look so good with Rob, is that brob? He can do things that Tristan can't do. He can, you know, I think theis could do them keeps moving the ball, just keeps moving with exact. That's the whole thing with him when we were talking about his potential last season, really, I think it's with you and I predominantly, we're having multiple Rob conversations and you were like Play and play him, but we were noting that that we always kind of figured that he could be a dunker in a high flyer and we sort of figured that he would be able to, you know, grab some rebounds, but the part that was like shocking to us was his passing ability. Yeah. And then you just look at how much faster the authors. It's initiated and the ball moves around. When he's out there, it's just completely different. The ball gets to the opposite corner. Like that's something how many corners this team last year was like a long shot. The fewest Corner threes in the league, right? And a lot of that is because which is so weird because how how often somebody parked out there. I mean I literally have somebody camped in the corner so I don't understand how in you're right. It's swinging the ball of the week side and not doing it. Exactly, you know. So that's that's what I'm saying. I think I agree with you, in terms of, you know, offensive flexibility offensive, you know, creativity off. They need, they need, they need help in that regard. If that means bringing somebody else in of this, under this staff or getting a chance to get in the lab and and pulling some ideas from other guys, Brad's gotta do that because the creativity he, I think he likes the system where the players are reading and reacting and they're kind of creating based upon what they see and that will work really well with smart Veteran's veteran. Yeah, except veteran problem, but he's not a veterans coach in in that way, right? Like he took the let's get the most out of these young guys and get a motivated. So he's kind of in this Paradox, right? He's a great coat, but in terms of leading players off, Tyler employers, you doesn't, it doesn't have the Doc Rivers. I'm not saying you won't get there. Yeah. Be in the league for quite some time. It's had a lot of success. He's had success with bad team. Like I think you can get there but he just doesn't have the cachet right now. It's a matter of fact if you want. Yeah I think best friends are. Okay. I think it's the star players. You know like dog. About Kyrie without shipping on the right belt. He's always going to struggle with that. That's just how it goes. And at some point you gotta get over the home and ship. And, and, you know, you gotta do it a couple of times. And that's how that starts to come together for you. And it doesn't have to happen that way, but it's one of the ways. But everybody sees them as the song upstart coach for young, upstart players and nothing about Al Horford, Gordon, Hayward, or Kyrie has changed that, except for the fact that they were injured been different. If they hadn't been injured and they made more noise, right? That could have helped that could have definitely helped well and, you know, he's got a lot of criticism and I think a lot of it has been warranted and of course, when your players don't execute and your players show little effort and your players, you know, look like they just showed up and your players are coming out. Covid-19 rain Thursday. Nobody's going to look good in that situation. No coach is going to look like oh man, that guy's really got it together. So, you know, there is a, you know, chicken or egg scenario here that that has to be considered in terms of their things. Looked their regime, everybody is accountable, exactly. No one person or one coach or one place or one GM. Is accountable? They all are. But here's the thing, he he still got expecting it to him and he can be better, he can be better and it's in, these are problems that have been. I, you know, throughout this last three, four year run, you know, this is not what we're talking about about trying to make a more efficient and more wage. I think a more Dynamic offensive system. That's the best word. That's what it is. You know, you have the up-tempo all the time, right? But it's gotta be dynamic and it can't log. Lie on young players, seeing the game, right? Slow down for them, when they're not at the stage where they can do that. Yet. You've got two, three level scores who can do everything, but, but they're, they're basketball IQ is behind their talent at the moment and I'm not trying to minimize what Tatum how smart he is and Jalen's intelligence, I'm not doing that. But what I am saying is that's you know, you have to I think somehow have to scheme that up a little bit more money. You know, I'd like to see a scheme scheme, it more and and and and you know you need practice time to do that. So it's that's hard to do now. But let's let's assume next year looks like something like a normal n, a, a basketball season. That's the focus. It seems to me going into the 22 season is to, to Really, to sharpen those tools. And, and then, and then log. You know, you really see what an offense looks like with two Wings, it's not surprising. That, the Clippers have also struggled this year, you know, that they have the same kind of makeup of the roster. Wash It Away, obviously more accomplished players, but they also are struggling this year. And I wonder if the do it all types, like a PG and a Kawai, are young to have as much success, you know, with all the everybody's dealing with. So I just say that we put it aside, but I totally agree with you. I can figure out the Brad Stevens piece of this is. It's not about effort, it's not that he's not screaming at guys. That's not coaching in the NBA in 2021. If you think that's what it is, now, it's getting assignation. See consistency is King, and it's about getting consistency in this, is this, this group is on the heels of the Millennials. So anything, you've Motivate the workforce in today's day and age applies to coaching in all facets of sports, maybe with the exception of football. But even then, all right, so before we start looking at the 2022, which I heard you do there, I do have to tell everybody. The bottom line is the fastest and easiest way to bed on all your Sports Action, baseball season in full swing. And you can track all the action at BetOnline, get all the latest news, odds and info for all your sporting needs, including MLB, NBA NHL, and all of your UFC MMA action. Boy, that was a quick fight. Last Saturday that I'll tell you that much, real-time updated odds and props on almost anything, you can imagine better. Mine is got you covered for the news scores and odds and it's the best way to place bets. And it's free to sign up before the next pitch. 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As we look ahead of the season in August, or maybe we will, depending on how the birth of this goes, you know, what my hope is for the rest of this season, before we kind of say, you know, what's the next step? My Hope Is That they go into the postseason and they make just a little bit of noise to remind themselves who they are and enough excitement that they're disappointed. So, here's the thing about giving up on a season and walk away everybody, mentally, even if they don't do it like verbally in the media or whatever, they start to point a little fingers because they're disappointed that, you know, maybe they'll just point the finger at injuries and covet, right? Doesn't always have to be other players or the organization or anything like that, but if they could just make a little bit of noise and then fall short wage might at least give them the right mental makeup to approach this offseason and try to come back refreshed, the one disappointing caveat to that, which the page came in, you know, just just in the last day Jaylen Brown may not even be healthy to start the season, which means, no off-season, which means, darn it. A dead, Really. That's tough. Man. It's really tough. Yeah. Yeah. I just saw a picture of him seemingly. He's had his surgery tonight so hopefully that means he's either. Yeah. Yeah, 8:00, you posted something. So hopefully that means that the, you know, the clock starts now on the four to six months recovery, you know, I think I think Romeo came back a hundred eighty days, but there was covid-19 You know, all things considered. I'm okay with, you know, with with where we are it's just it's just one more kick in the pants, but what it does is not one. I had that video of getting kicked in the nuts or something from the from The Simpsons and like, that's this year for the Boston Celtics. It's just one three, the gym teacher from Beavis and Butt-head. I agree that Chevy Volt and I tried to harden myself you know or Adam Sandler in Happy Gilmore where he hops into the batting cage. Yeah it's just takes these falls off the chest off. If there's a yeah, if there's a visual representation of this season, it's Adam sailor getting into the cage and just taking baseball after baseball cap wage. Yeah, so it's it's, you know, but so, you know, having losing jail, and it's tough, but it also to me, it puts into Focus. The fact of this, there is no way, there's not going to be any sort of, you know, last minute, Rah in this playoff run, its, I hear you. What you're saying about trying to end on a something of a positive. I just, you know, they lose out, here's the position. They're in, they lose this game to Cleveland. They get the back the back with Minnesota in New York, New York, obviously still fighting for a playoff spot, Minnesota has been playing quite well after the All-Star break or after the trade deadline. They lose out if they lose out in the plan they don't get into the 7th. You know, they lose disseminate game and then they lose against the the winner of the 910. That would put them at the 12th worth wrecker 12-horse record as a 7% chance at a top-four pick. Now 7% Is Not Great 7%, is enough to change your life. You're you know you're you're running things but given the way the Celtics have played I think there's a a a smaller than 7% chance that they do anything of value in the next month. Weeks to put a, put a real charge into another team. Maybe that's too low, but I feel like that's the way it is. And so a 7% chance of getting a real game-changing player in at a table or even, you know, just dropping look or V Hai pics higher than you normally would get. That's I think that's worthwhile and I think that there's some you get the next day or in the office, you know, you get the next player who can be added to this core again, not going to do much the first half of the Season as we've. We need to just realized not recognize a Celtics fans. But the more those guys you add the more, you know, real players that you can say that that can you can use to compete with. Doesn't say we're not talking with the rest of the roster but at least in terms of what you're playing for now, I'd rather have that draft pick. I think, you know, use that draft pick and you can do something with it. You know, you end up with a dog. In eighteen. Now, you're you're might be outside of potentially a run of where the good players are on this draft. So that's fine long. Do you think this draft is? You know you're the same guy. I don't start looking until it's like getting close. No, it's pretty good. I mean, I think I mean I think that there's a top-two and then there's three, there's like three, four, maybe five five and then, you know, I think that there's a, a pretty beyond like, kind of 6 to 12 ish right now, there's a good range. And then I think really up to up, to nineteen eighteen nineteen. I think they can get a good player who can, who can be a role player who can help out. Who can be a part of, you know, building something here. You know, in the middle of this law, the middle of this first round, but if they can end up in 12, obviously they're improving their chances and and wage. It also gives them a shot at the top for Pick. And I don't think you turn that down because I think those guys, I don't think any of them are going to be, you know, Shaq there. None of them are going to be, you know, they've cut out. You know, Zion there isn't one of those guys in this draft. But I think there's some really, really strong talented players that that could really help and and could help sooner than life, you know, more of the the Jayson Tatum timeline than than maybe the the Rob Williams or the Terry Rozier timeline, you know immediate contributors off. If it do, they need more young Talent or do they need tradable assets? Yes. Is the answer, they need talent, you know, and if they're not getting anything out of the out of the playoffs, I'd rather have more of a talent to deal with their. I mean, you're right. They don't need more rookies, they don't need more young players, but when we look at this roster, who is this, who who is the roster? I mean they've got 17 players, but if you take Jabari Parker, Taco fault, Rhema water. Is Carson, Edwards, you know, semi ojeleye, I, you know, a third of their roster almost Cornett. You know, a third of their roster is made up of players that. Are they NBA players? Are they really helping that? They positive, you know, pieces of of what we're trying to build here? You know, that's part of the problem. It's it's they're trying to use the back end of the roster to develop too many damn players and they need like half that number and Then the other half to be veterans, who can help build a culture, who can help build accountability who could help guys, push through. They don't have that. They've got, you said the youngest roster or one of the young rosters in the league, like it shouldn't be surprising us. That there was this was a team that wasn't ready to play. Once you lose one of the top two or three or four guys, are we talking about French being the number one issue at the beginning of all this totally? Yeah. I mean it goes right back to it, you know? Now if you add, you know, if you've got a middle middle of the first round guy, in a nice trip. It hits. If Romeo can. I mean, he certainly knows he the defendant. If he can get his offense, any sort of game going, and think a third guy, who can who can play weenie. Richard is is is probably a player there. Now, you've got like your seven deep, you know. Now what do you do with, you know, there's then the next question is, you know, you've got young players that you can log. Filled with and maybe do something within a playoff setting or whatever. If we had a normal year, nice with quite a bit in the playoff rotation, but the real question is the top and what's going to happen with Kemba, what's going to happen with smart, what's going to happen, you know, other other players you know Tristan Thompson try to get rid of him that to me is the next question, you know? Because you could set yourself up with the pic but what is the top of the table look like? And unfortunately, you know, it was a smart guy, you know, it's it's been a long, a rough run for Marcus since he came back from the, from the injury. It just, he has not been able to, to look like himself in in, in that office since he came back and I think he's really set the team back. They need everything that he can provide. Is exactly what this team needs, you know. And, and he hasn't been able to do it consistently. And, and that's what was his reason. Why is he out tonight? I didn't even I didn't catch it here. A calf contusion is what they said. So I don't know what that means. I don't know if it just resting numbers, right? Oh, I see. Oh, you mean you? You're not sure if they're lying right using, I got you. Yeah. So maybe they're lying. Maybe they're not but but he is Marcus home. Well, they're basically here's the thing, they they box, they're basically locked into the play in, right? So at this point, why. Just let guys get a little extra rest and see if they can make a choice honestly? Sit sit Tatum. I mean the one guy to me Point his played you know a million minutes this year long. Maybe he's like I think he's second or third. I, I look at it. Yeah, he is. So Tatum has played 62. I bet I bet he does rest a game out of these next. Like, what is it? This is one of the last three on the road. I bet he definitely and they got another back-to-back right, Saturday, Sunday set. So, I guess I bet he definitely, I could set out both of those games honestly, but I guarantee you, we sits out probably Sunday. I mean, he'll so they'll arrest kamba. He might arrest Saturday. Yeah, he sat down, so he played he's played, he's Pritchard, has played the most games. 63, Tatum is next with 62 is the team leader, in games played dead. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Wild and Jaylen, Brown is third with 58 or excuse me, Grant Williams just played in Sixty games. I'm sorry. That's wrong. But but yeah, I mean, the guy who had covid-19 Be where you need to be at that point in terms of salary, I haven't really figured that out but but that may be what if you were signed 48 for like twenty million bucks but you send out smart you might be close to the luxury-tax. Has 132. So 132 there right now that I'm thirty-seven. Yeah, be tough. It'd have to send out more. I think to make the sign for me, a 420 million and then I think you'd have to send out more than just sucks because I thought, if, if camber goes, you know, smarts, the one you want to keep, right? That's Pritchard. Become your starting point guard and then you're gonna have to draft a card that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean but you can't, you're not going to put your talking to your starting point guard. I wouldn't think maybe. Maybe I'm wrong, but yep. Just saying if you don't have a lot of money, you don't get a lot of options there and you know obviously Kemba will because you're keeping Kemba in that scenario. So I guess your room, through Kemba is the starter Peyton wage back up but I just meant for the future. If you you know, if you're going to have to draft a guard to groom so that you've got some options because you're going to be handcuffed on the salary for quite some time, you're not going to address it and virgin. See and then canvas, you know, not likely to be re-signed due to salary reasons, right? And he's got another year after next to, so it's not even worth, you know, it's not even like a one-year kind of, well, we got swallow hard and then there's two years, you know, that you're that you're holding onto him. I'm not against holding on a camber, you know, but it does. It ties your hands. It really does. And if, if Tatum and brown, are your guys and four days, so were three song. Clear, it would seem to be it. Would it would see the one thing I'd say about 48 that, you know, and I, I think he's, he's been good. I think he says all the right stuff and all that. The one thing I'd say about 5:40 though is that I still feel that this team needs to get bigger on the wing. You know, I feel like they're missing somebody. The size of Gordon a word as much as anything and and 40 is shooting has been has been remarkable. But if if these method is is able to start to to do something, do you know, do you do you really do you want to do that? I mean I never can have enough shooting on the on the wing. I don't I don't mean to say that, but it's Thursday. Now it's saying I got so much money to spend exactly. You've got so many so much to spend. And, you know, of course, everybody wants size on a wing and everyone's shooting with sinoa wage. Honestly better off, resigning. You know, Fournier and making sure you hold on to smart and making the move on Kemba. That's, that's real and then and then in that move with Kemba, you get that size that you're looking for and, you know, big man to is still an issue. Even if we start rob, you know who's next to up one. And one is that, or was he just a dog? It's too. So he's got another year after this. So we've got it anyway. Yeah. Ideally you send out Thompson. I to me, you know, if you can send a Canberra has done has played be great. Like he really has played really well the last few weeks. I'm hoping that that allows for kind of a net neutral and what you're sending out, probably not. But if you're sending him out and you're getting back, some things in return, you know, the thing that I saw Danger card kind of he and and keep Smith you know, kicking back about forth about was the idea of going to going to OKC and send in Cambodia OKC and bring him back Warford, which is a really interesting idea, you know, because you get your back up and you get, you know, you get somebody who can move the ball and you suck good, veteran and a solid, citizen the locker room which I think is something that they need, but I don't know. I I don't know what the right deal is, I don't want to see a deal where they have to give up multiple pics to get rid of Kemba Walker salary. That's the thing. I'd rather not resign Fournier that give up multiple choice. To get rid of Kemba to me that. I'm just I'm over the give up the pick to get rid of a salary thing as it burned them with, with Cantor. It burned them with Poirier birth. It burned them with, you know, Baines I just think it's a, it's a bad precedent to set to get off of money. So yeah, I know they had waged with bands to get Kemba Walker but that's I just think they need to avoid that scenario if they can. It's just, I think that life. I think that there are brighter days ahead for this roster though. You know, I think that there's a better tomorrow for Erin. Nice. But there's a better tomorrow for Romeo Langford is a better tomorrow for Payton rookie card. I don't know what Grant Williams looks like next year. I don't know that Luke Cornett is still on this roster. Pretty much everybody else. I woke up, Richard to pretty much everyone else. I could stand to see, go away and well robbed, of course, Rob's obviously a big part of whatever they're doing, but wage. The back third of that roster. Like I said, if you could sign three veterans and and, and find 3 guys to play in Maine, I think that's really what they need. You know, it's hard to find veterans to play for the minimum, but I really think that's what they need. I think they need guys who have been there and done it, you know? And I think they're out there, you know, Iraq do. Yeah, there always are. If you have the right Squad that, it's being assembled with the right championship-caliber aspirations, that's how that works. I mean, it's that simple. So, I mean, you're talking with like, minimum and exceptions, right? Yeah, exactly. Round it out. I think that that's what they thought they were getting with Teague and Thompson. And that's, you know, that's kind of the frustrating part and not only did the team think that I think we thought that. So, you know, we're kind of, you know, coming home on the end of the time, but, but the one question, I guess, two is any regrets. On not like pulling the trigger on the Miles Turner thing at this point knowing knowing that we have robbed and it's you know, been plenty of room for Rob but knowing that the alternative would have been robbed and Myles Turner and not Tristan Thompson. And you know they might have still signed Pig maybe I guess probably they would have took one of the exceptions but any any regrets there I mean 40 days been nice, right? But with Miles, Turner's ability to shoot three pointers and the spacing that we need and knowing Rob can pass from out there even if he can't shoot. Like it's two different looks but it's a much more consistent transition from your starters to your bench in that regard. I mean, well, right? So immediate area this out with hindsight now, right? So and I always hate doing that. But but you have to, let's just put the birth Hey baby wasted just I mean that just based on the conversation we just had or not entirely wasted but mostly wasted knowing that it could have been a longer-term commitment in a player that had a breakout season. I mean, I mean, so there's a couple of things. I think that, you know, Seventeen million to pay Myles, Turner Is Not Great, you know, so you're paying him the same amount you'd be paying for any eight who plays at a more valuable position and you can play Forty a in Rob, who's the better player you know? And, and you can play the other guys too, you have to pick at that big position. You get cheese either Rob or you got to play Myles Turner, right? So you know, we're as you can, you can have your best player right now or Thompson anyway, so well we'll right. Yep. The idea is, you wouldn't have Thompson, right? I guess. So that's that's what I'm saying, but, you know, right now, right? Yeah. Not have Thompson. So and you might in some circumstances just are robbed but even if you didn't, you know, I guess and and you don't have all the roster crunch conversation. I guess you got a little bit of a roster crunch a little bit but not as bad cuz that's nine $10,000 that you're paying Tristan Thompson you know for this year and next you are right. So you know on on that level. Yeah I mean it does make sense. I mean I think I you know I think I think that the missed opportunity I think straight up it's even if you didn't want to keep him long-term and you needed to go home at trade value. You can't trade Fournier the traded player. Exception is wasted, you really got nothing. I was soft because I thought that something would happen with that tpe then you know, dead When I discussed. How, that wasn't so great. Now, I'm like, nope, that that's one. I bet everybody in the organization, which they had back, and we don't know exactly what was asked for and, and if that's, you know, a hundred percent of it. But man, all signs point to that was the deal and they haven't it odd and lost it. I think we'll. So I think part of it, a big part of this is Thompson off, you know, I think had Thompson worked out better. I think you could argue that, you know, for for, for, you know, whatever is 2/3, + 2/3 of the price. So you're like, the price. Yeah, I get a good player, you know, and I didn't get any away. Yeah, you know, so Thompson not worth, you know, has been has been the bigger problem if she was like average, you know, by the end, totally botched it inside as we're talking about him. Yes, yes. Yes. You did. See that, right? I did I did. Yeah. Wouldn't it be nice to have Jared Allen on this roster? Yeah, we talked about him by the way. Absolutely. Yeah. It's just bought a look I mean that the Thompson signing it does set off so much. Now I will be to be fair there wasn't much left on the on the market at that point wage but the reason why they waited that long as cuz they're waiting for Hayward the misread on Hayward is the problem like that. That's whether you thought when they thought he was going to come back or they thought he was, you know, you know whatever or thought that they could get a deal done with Indiana or whatever it might have been a, you know, that misread I think is is what is really sets all this emotion. Tristan Thompson, you know, you know a chrome With, you know, whatever. We're going to do this summer having to make a choice on, you know, these are the things that we talked about when when the deal got done and why we were kind of underwhelmed. Now, that I think about forty has been better than I could have expected. Even in spite of the fact, he had covid-19 Time pay them their money and build it and they'll, and they would have been able to find plenty of veterans to package around showcasing their talent. You know, I think this goes back as far as you know, Kyrie and the like real talk about the Jinx but all, you know, with Isaiah Thomas right. But the Jinx is in general, that we got Kyrie wage and so many ways and everything that happened after that, where they waffled Between Two Worlds. And, you know, so many respects if they had temporary and smart and Jaylen and Tatum and they were growing together and building together. I think that team was tight man. Those young guys, I think they enjoyed playing together, you know, I don't think he left because of the young players, I think Terry left because he felt slighted and they had that one run. They did great against Philly. They made it to the Eastern Conference Finals, you know? And they wage Feeling good. And then, you know, we had to go back in their minds, the young players Minds made to take a step back and we did take a step back. We took a step back and we kept taking steps back even as the young players were emerging and and it changes the game on expectations. And I think if ever, I think the direction was to split off and and I think that leaves the team split now and it's unfortunate up with that. I'm going to wrap it. There's five minutes to go Cleveland was on like a 22-4, run here, over five minutes. A couple of minutes ago. They're up 13 and, you know, poor Kevin Love wife who got, who thought he was going for Championship. Aspirations forever is now stuck on a crappy team and he's lighting us up. He's like twenty eight and thirteen or fourteen at this point. The game is crazy. Crazy. It's it's, it's hard to believe that these teams played each other, you know, four years ago years ago. Yeah, I think. Yeah. That'll did it in a crazy, you know, a Conference Finals that the cell that's were but a few minutes away from making the finals and they never got their, they've never gotten their own sense and you know, the twists and turns along the way. It's it's truly unbelievable. A lot of is bad luck and but some of it is bad planning and bad management. But you know where we are. Now is a situation where something might have to change systemically and the only a lot of people have got to change, like you said, a lot of, there's a lot of a lot of Errors. A lot of problems. And and there's a lot of home. Homes for that blame. And I think that Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, do need to take take this opportunity and say, okay, look, what do we need to do? You know, we got numbers this year, we made the All-Star team or you know, borderline, probably not going to make all NBA at this point. But, you know, teams that have more line all NBA season and we had a terrible record, you know, and we could point record Point our points of this and that, and the other teams, but everyone's playing this season. And what do we need to do to put ourselves in a position where we're leading this team now, just play well, but leading, this team and and making sure that guys are playing the right way. And that's the thing to me is, like, everything around him, but the NBA is a players league and the players got a lead. They go, they get, if you want to win the best players have got to suck. All they're all the other players around them accountable and play that try to play the their level in support of them. And I think these guys this is their first year in charge, you know, home is. Hopefully there's a lot to have learned from this and I think they have, let's get, I think, they'll be smarter for it, but let's get cagey on the roster as an assistant coach and off-season. 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636 : Celtics Take On Kyrie, Hall of Fame Salutes to KG/Truth and Mike

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636 : Celtics Take On Kyrie, Hall of Fame Salutes to KG/Truth and Mike

"Right there off, Thursday morning. Welcome to Celtic stuff live on the ceiling test media Network, the leading online, a divider of audio and video coverage for your Boston Celtics in the playoffs as the seventh seed. So they, they did the plane game to keep their spot slipping, pretty substantially, as they closed out the season. Going five, and ten in the last fifteen games, losing Jaylen Brown looking ugly. People texting me asking, How do you think it's going to go tonight? I think the Wizards are tough. I think we're going to lose and actually John it's I think it was your preference. The last time we met, let's just move closer and closer to a draft pick. And of course we see one of the more inspired performances, not only by the entire team but you know Jason Tatum attacking the rim, huge fifty, plus I'm I'm like dude is amazing, there's no doubt and now we gotta go get our asses handed To Us by the Brooklyn Nets, which is just going to infuriate me. I just want you to know that this being the bookend on this season is just it's going, it's going to make me want to break things in my home office that I've a life. Yeah, so I mean in the end we're talking about 6, you know, talk about three picks the difference between the 13th kick in the 60th bit. So yep. Losing out would have meant, you know, really, you know, to pick difference, or three pics difference, which might matter not at all, but unless you're Tyler hero and get back, end up with Romeo Langford or, you know, Devin Booker and input Terry Rozier or you know, you could go all the way through the line sometimes having that Pick 3 ahead of where you walk or even you know very caliburn instead of Nesmith. Now again, these Smith worked out, Rosier worked out. But that was what we're talking about is that when you're in the lottery, the difference between 50 and 16 years difference to 12:13. But the last thing we are and 336, yeah, look. I see in in this in this series coming up, there's going to be probably a lot of a lot of language wage My household. Yeah. What was that? Clear out. Tell your wife to get a hotel for you. Go get out of here. Just get out of the house for a week and half. It'll be the first time she's ruining the Celtics to get swept. Well, I mean, look, here's the thing, right? So the Celtics will, this will be the first time, the Celtics will be in life and in the garden, a full house with Kyrie Irving, play sabacc interesting. And and I'm sure that Kyrie Irving was here at quite a bit from what I'm seeing a long though which, you know, there's a lot of like On the internet and on Twitter, there's there's a real strong strain of of folks, particularly younger people. This is Joe saying, you know, real pirate misunderstood and Kyrie is this and, you know, really shouldn't, you know, people go over the line. Yeah. There are some crazy things that are said about Gayatri. No doubt about it but it's there was a significance corner of Celtic Twitter. I should say that were pretty upset with the the F Kyrie chance that were outside the garden after the game against the wizard. And look, I don't really, I don't know what that is about. I don't know why people want to backup back khiry after effectively. Starting this life that were all blaming the logo blaming of Danny Ainge. Kyrie is the guy who started the slide and and and The Exodus of talent for some reason. People want to wage Use that for some reason, I don't really understand it. I'm not on that side of the fence, but it's out there, and it's weird. So what I see is the vast majority of things are going to hate me, either going to give them all, they got. Well, there's going to be this strain of people like, hey you don't get on Kyrie he's a good guy, whose politics are good or whatever and and that's the reason I cannot, you know, rip them to shreds. And I just I don't, I don't, I don't see that, I don't see that. I see, I see a guy that that really doesn't understand how to be a leader of a cream cake in this type of concept and effectively Skyrim a lot of the Celtics. Tyra is going to love this episode. Every time we bash Kyrie, he is so good about, you know, tweeting out his support of our angst and so Thai in advance. Thank you for your angsty support on Twitter. Appreciate it off. and the thing is, yeah, I don't I really I think his politics are different than Jalen's politics it, and I may need to do more research. But my thing is I feel like jail is politics are get up and go get involved. And I feel like Kyrie's politics are yap. Yap, you know, he's always known what to say right off. He seems like he's a champion, but I don't, I'm going to have to go look. But yeah, I just feel like the dude is so full of it that way he has put his money where his mouth is and there's things that he's done. Like, he bought, you know, George floods, family at home and he has done things that are the right thing. But I get like to me, like I can like someone's politics and think that they're I think that they're the worst basketball player that ever played. What someone's politics are, should have no choice as to whether or not they can lead a basketball team, you know that. No, they don't have an impact other than right, if their, if their politics are sort of like, again, I feel like Feelin, you know it's like hey let's go to Atlanta, right? Like and that's that's the difference between buying somebody a house and going and marching, you know, that's my point. That's exactly my point home. But I'm not going to take away from the fact that you know what right us, pretty solid of Kyrie there, you know, to take care of and to be great. But but I mean time, that's the difference, when you wash it to leadership and look at. Okay, let's look at what, let's look at. What he did guide law. Apparently lost Kyrie, a guys. Apparently think he's the greatest. They, you know, apparently a big song by Blake Griffin wanted to go to go to Brooklyn because the Kyrie and I don't know, I mean as a person he may be great. People may love it. I don't think that that is You know, it's kind of like it made me as kind of like high school where everyone wants to be friends with the cool kid. But when you stop and and you start to look around after a while, it's like you really like the cool kid, your life fact that the cool kid is the one that that you were saying, what everyone else is saying, and I don't know, I don't know how true that is. That's that kind of interpersonal politics of of things that that we really don't know what, privy, to all we know is that a lot of people who cover the team around the team things are Carter, he's a dick and he's not nice to people and he's out from self, and he's at. He's and that's, and that's the thing. Now, I felt I think that, that Rondo was was painted with that brush a little bit. But, but if it's not always about his team and he was always about winning Rajon Rondo, would never have done what happened in that Milwaukee Bucks, series that Milwaukee Bucks series from two years ago to me dead. Is the first light on the the story of Kyrie Irving, cuz that tells you everything you need to know to me about who he was at that time. Now maybe that's a break and maybe it's a a moment he wanted out and he's a front-runner and he got what he wanted, right? And it's got a shot at the championship. Now, all he had to do was come to Boston and say, look, this is a work, you know, I'm Danny, and, and the team has has for whatever reason held onto guys. After the point, when probably, they should have moved on, you know, I don't think workers in that camp, but I think, definition Hayward and definitely Kyrie were in that camp. And, you know, so in that, in that instance, you stop and you say, like, okay now, we've we've lost lost. Kyrie 4, nothing. We've lost pass word for nothing. Effectively. I guess you could say, hor, fir or Kya dream is locked or nothing, one, or the other depending on how you look at the color of the, the sign Campbell. And and she reads The seeds of what everyone's complained about this year. The the top heaviness of the roster, the inability to have depth. All of that started in that 2019 off all the season. It it's unavoidable inescapable. That's what happened. Right man. Like that's yeah, well, they also do hang but they didn't hang on to pierce and Garnett home too long. I mean, maybe in a way but they were still super competitive and they still got value for them. And I think that's where the criticism is, right? They lose Kyrie 4. Nothing it basically lose Hayward for know if they don't re-sign, you know, Fournier. And so, here we are. Yeah, that's definitely. That's definitely how the last few years of played out. I think that's a fine light to paint Kyrie off. And I think Kyrie resents the media and, and, and I think Boston being the market that it is, you know, I think that definitely contribute to him wanting to get off. Here. But I also think the way he acted about everything in the way he played in that Milwaukee Bucks. Series tells you everything you need to know about. You know, he wasn't a good job in Boston as a person, right? You know, let alone as a player, I mean, they, they've won that game against Milwaukee who had picked everyone. But the entire system that they win game one convincingly amazing. They go to practice. Kyrie decides, he doesn't want to practice and sits on the stage and, and not confident late the rest of the next four games. He basically sat on the stage and watched practice and watched the game cuz he was a vice-grip. I just I can't see you that. I'm sorry. I just thought you know I know people want to say well he's misunderstood. Yeah I think there's some stuff is probably override about dead but that guy did more to undo what's going? What was the the plan change? Boston, then any other single person and the what we're seeing now is is what is the result of that? And I asked if you're frustrated about this and of course, go visit injuries happens of you can do about that. But the lack of depth, truly is an issue that that has its succeed in the 2019 season. And I just, you know, so going to this, that's the seeds to me of the dislike of the Brooklyn Nets. It starts with Kyrie Irving. I don't have faith. I know you were frustrated chemically. I didn't have that same frustration that he didn't kind of frustrated, but, you know, I'm not, I wasn't as upset with Kevin Durant as you were. But, you know, you have those two and then Harden who had an iguana in a way, I think it's, I want nothing more to see those that team looms. I think that they're supposed to Thursday. Lisa, what they have or just so fraudulent but well, remember where we got all their pics. So you don't want to feel like they got one up on us or hey, we got all their pics and then they survived all of that and put this together while we try to rebuild. And we had this Corps, but we are nowhere near where they're at right now. Like, that's a stinger to you about the rebirth. Look at this. Well, it is it, it's fair from this perspective, right? Same amount of period of time and say, you know, actually I guess Brooklyn had less time to rebuild. Cuz yeah, you had, you know, a couple of years for Garnett and Pierce to phase out, right? And so that even less. Of a time now, is it fair wage? They took a totally different path, right and cleared cap space and they were able to sign players and a knock on Boston was that they couldn't and then we signed players wage. But you know, we didn't sign Kyrie Kevin Durant and, you know, James Harden all the while still having a pretty potent offense with bench depth. And and that's really, I think the biggest reason why I'm not saying that the the Celtics are not going to win this series just you know, let's just be clear or not. I'm not going to win this series but if the Celtics had the same bench as Brooklyn did does then I feel like it would be a lot more competitive actually actually healthy Jaylen Brown. Yeah, I think this is Brooklyn. Twenty one is Boston. Nineteen. Both far different results. Because they have the depth of what helped build that team in place, but they have a topic, they still have a top end of the roster. That's, that's really wage and and they don't have a, you know, a a Max contract wing-forward who's coming off down the steering, you know, media a leg break foot going the wrong way. Injury angle, you know? I mean, so I mean, in terms of collection of talent I think? Yeah, I took a Sleek, pardon is one of the greatest shooting guards ever play. You know, Iran is one of the best shooting small forwards over to play. Kyrie is Kyrie. I mean there, there's one is better. I think the Boston depth and nineteen was probably better but they never, we never saw the full extent of what the 19 Celtics could have been dead. Regular, we haven't seen with the Twenty-One extent of what the Nets could be, but, you know, it's kind of like it's where the meaning of where you're building up and you haven't yet gotten to the point where you can't afford your badge and they have it kind of eight or drain, you know, calendaring this is the, you know, kind of the top-end to me of where they're going and it'll be you know, mid-level guys a good sign and all that. But I just think that there's we see all the time. It's exciting to the NBA steals that gets forgot, it never moved. Like when Kevin Durant signed in, in, in Golden State it felt like, oh, the league is it going to be competitive for a decade? And it was like three years. They want two or three and he was off somewhere else and I think that's maybe where we are, you know, I think it Brooklyn's feels like it's unbelievable, but it won't be because everything isn't instead. The MBA now it just it everything just changes so fast and so this is Brooklyn's moment if they capitalized great. But you know there was some something I read online today that you've kind of putting something in this in the, you know, a press conference or whatever about, you know, is he going to retire? You know, I just you just you don't know, you don't know what could happen and and with those three material Superstars you know you just can't rely on it as we learned with one of them. So what you're saying is is that you don't think they have a shot at the championship. No. I think they do have a shot at the championship. What? I guess, what I'm saying is, I don't know that they're going to win, run off three or four championships. I think they could win this year. I think they do in next year's, but it's going to get stale. It's going to steal for those guys at some point. You know, hard would be sick of sharing the ball or Katie's going to want a different opportunity or I could never tire. And I mean I just think that there's there's just too much variance with those three personalities for it'll work, long-term. You know, and eventually, you know, they'll want to trade players and some it'll get her we were already seen this year. They, they haven't really played together still just having played together. The next really haven't played together. I mean they're talented, but will it work? We'll see you on the court at the same time. I think it probably will but maybe not. I just I'm not a. I just think that the person personalities matter so much. So we saw that nineteen and we're, I think we're going to see it along well with Brooklyn. It may not bear itself out this playoffs, but I think it will the long run, but those personalities will be just too too difficult to to keep together, you know. Yeah. You want to bet know that online the fastest, and easiest way to bet on all your Sports Action, baseball season in full swing. And they, you can track all the action at BetOnline, get all the latest news, odds and info for your sporting needs, including MLB NBA NHL and all your UFC MMA action-reaction. I'm updated odds of props on almost anything. You can imagine that online has got you covered for all the news scores and odds. And it's the best way to place your bets and best. And the best thing is, it's free to sign up for the next pitch. Head over to bed online on your laptop or mobile device and take advantage of the 50%. Welcome bonus on your first deposit. 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Frankly, what indeed was done, you know, I think he has, he has played hard for a whole regular season for the first time in his career and I paged the service credit. He had a great season and he played great in the games against Boston. You know, he was really good. I still think seven was a bit of a disappointment, honestly, but I thought it was a great defender and I think in the right scenario away from indeed, he would be a better player. But, you know, there was a that's where we are right now. I would, I would probably if it comes down to a, a Philly, Brooklyn Eastern Conference Finals, right? Let's look stream. It like that, which could happen. I will be rooting for You you're there, you're right in the belly of the Beast. It's just so funny cuz there was all that blood. But, you know, I like talk. So if you're putting down between Phila and and Brooklyn, that's an easy one for me, I like Doc, you know, I'm not a Seventy Sixers fan but I don't like you hate him. He'd say, you've always hated him bead and I don't really hate and be I hate Kyrie Irving, but I don't hate em being the way you do. So and it's now because I love down here in Pennsylvania. Now, it just has everything to do with the fact that, you know, I didn't love that team and I like beating that team and I liked I liked the idea. And again, here's another like, if we want to take all these sticks and measure them in our performance, it looked like we had accelerated past Philly, and Brooklyn, you know, at lights off. Read and, and now they're taking their cracks at it. And, you know, now all of a sudden, we look where we looked like, man, Dan. He's got the plan. He's got the model home did it and now we're waiting around. But if you really think about it, you know, Tatum and and and brown, you know, need a little bit more time and the bench needs to get billed out. And, you know, maybe maybe with some additional time that doesn't play out as bad as it does, but I've I don't really hate any of the players on Philly. I just really like being with them and even going back to the b, l a chance. You know, there's still a little bit of sister City of Brotherly Love, you know, in a, in a competitive, but bordering on unhealthy competitive way. And so, you know, when you pick me up against, you know, like again I don't hate Brooklyn. I don't really have any feelings about birth. Going right. Like to me, they're still the New Jersey Nets because they have Kyrie they've taken on that polarity for me. So yeah, that's an easy one and I liked Doc and I think it would be cool if doc beat the Lakers, you know, with Philly or beat the Clippers with Philly. I, I think that would be a cool story and I had a lot of people asking me like what do you think with, you know, Philly and and Doc as the coach and I was like, well I'm just telling you. I think this team matches doc style because dog likes, it really slow down all defense, power game, and I think they still have an issue with outside shooting, but I think that he, if anybody can find a way to make this mish-mosh work, it's right up. Doc Sally. And guess what? As right about that. I yeah, you know, I'm obviously taking the Celtics out of it but it's if I'm interested in the heat, it's difficult because there's a I think silly and in Milwaukee are kind of in the same scenario for me that, you know, we've kind of gone to battle with them lately but reality, you know, God I don't I don't want one of these teams to get something that's going to set them up to be, you know, just more prepared to beat the Celtics next year, you know, part of what the difficulty for Milwaukee's. They've never done it. So you always feel like, well, you can get over on cuz they haven't figured it out. You know what I mean? And and I think I think we still eat the same idea. You know, they figure it out. They get old about Aunt. It's like, oh man, that's you don't want that. Cuz now now they're like, okay, we know we need to do to win these games, the soldiers, I think, always from New Jersey, That over those teams even though they lost in Milwaukee and opportunities, two years ago, I think, you know we point a lot about the Kyrie that that's the kind of a concern I have is life that don't want to see that, you know, Miami, it's a little different because I think, you know, I don't think that, you know, it's so much about Jimmy Butler that. I don't know that that that carries down to the heroes and the Duncan Robinson the bombs, but I probably respect that group and as much as any of them. I just the point is with anybody, but right? I mean that's kind of the deal but if it comes down to it always the point. But if Brooklyn plays right the Lakers, I'm rooting for the Lakers. If they play the Clippers, I'm rooting for the Clippers outside of that. You know what I mean? It's all against L A and I know where you're going and it just, it's so has to be said, wage. How bad it is. Yeah, that is how bad it is. I I don't know if I'd check a root for know what. I don't even know how it would do it, but I definitely can't. Say are you going to? Are you getting caught up on the semantics of the words? No, dude, no Navy know. You're rooting for them to do what they're supposed to do. And at the same time, you're rooting for a complete embarrassment of Kyrie. Right? That's what. Yeah, yeah, I want I just I want another tweet right now because this has basically dominated the show so you can give us a second tweet when you get this part. Yeah. Actually, live blogging, you're listening in a way live blogging. Oh my gosh. Yeah, those are the things I gave you the game. Join me. Now, how, how, you came if I'm watching your text, we are the podcast for the old Celtic fans. I mean, because honestly we're ripping our entire e we're off. So. All right, the new generation we are tuning us out. Exactly. So let's talk about Jayson. Tatum right? Talk about the Celtics. Right. Let's talk about the Celtics took 50 points and, you know, look, I think we're losing sight of what this guy is doing in in the mainstream of birth. I'm good. He is Visa be probably be great. All-time greats, like, I think we're not appreciating. What that guy is able to do as a job, as a point. I mean, I just, this is, this is like, we've never experienced it. Like, I I, you know, I watched Larry, you know, I, I watched Pierce Garnett, you know, we we've had great players top 50 all-time players here. This is, this is special when he's this guy's doing right now and there's you know there's a whole comment about he made before the game against Washington about leadership and how he's a lot of different ways to leave and I and I completely agree with him. I think you know, I don't the press and a lot of the the Palm Terrace. Could kind of wrapped up in this rock, you gotta be screaming and yelling at the oily lead nonsense which I think is foolish. I think you lose your plug and he led his play last night. He dead Let's play against, you know, gets but, but in that big, 60 point game, the question I think is, you know, is as a young guy in your 22000 them, it's how you then try to do it. Consistently, what do you learn from it? And I'm not trying to, I'm not minimizing what he did was when he did was amazing and if it's continue to be amazed, replacing Celtic, history is already there. But I think it's a point where okay, I can do this, you know, it's just you're getting pieces and LeBron had to wage a whole bunch of pieces and then he added pieces. It took him until year ten to win a championship. So that's what I think, you know, Tatum is doing. Paid him has MVP, you know, kalberg said it last night. Now, the question is, how does he use these unbelievable talents, and it's a point where he's winning consistently winning a lot and, and able to beat the yep. Back and and that's no, it's done all of that. But except for the last thing that you said doesn't beat the very best. You know, he's been right to the brink in every single season except for this one, which is the irony of it. This is by far, you know, his best season and especially when you consider the Cove. It's log that he had to bust through, right? He's probably just going to feel right now. I think you mentioned this to me before the broadcast, but 17417 from the free throw line. If there isn't a sign, you know, of his ability to do, what he needs to do. I mean, I remember criticizing, I didn't realize at the time that the Cobra thing was like real for him, you know? But it was like dude, he's just doing the sidestep and it's a great movie. She gets a shot off but you can't be the only thing he does. Well, you know, even saw him try to make a pass, I think it was underneath in the first, maybe quarter to Kemba but he actually dead. Get a little more on selfish in that game. But at least when he was selfish, she wasn't just shooting from outside. He was attacking him and just that three level scorer and then trying to build in some playmaking, but I'm going to have to put this but on it. And, you know, I think ball movement is so key for this team and Jayson Tatum suggested. So I'm not taking away from the fact that he put up fifty like, he put up, fifty, but Robert Williamson. That starting lineup, dude, changes, everything. It changes everything for this team and I think it helps make Tatum more effective with less work. And so, when he goes to the line, you know, he's sure, you know, he's he's being more aggressive but the ball is moving around more, so he's not pounding it, even then though, you know, as they were trying to just maintain that double digits off, Read in the waning moments of the game. How many times did Tatum of the ball in his hands? Coming up the floor, you know, and initiating the offense and we haven't really seen that in quite a while. Either especially with Kimmel walk out there and Marcus Smart out there, sharing the floor, but we saw quite a bit and you know, he definitely had it going last night. He did have it going and I and I just you know, I'm not sure. I think that what's happening right now is like any criticism of family looked at is like some sort of like you know, what are you doing? How dare you score fifty points? Like, I'm not about that. It's not like look, he's he's an all NBA player. Look, he's a top ten player look. I mean those you can say, look he's not perfect, you know, offered wasn't perfect. Jordan was a perfect magic wasn't perfect. Right? What what I think for me the criticism is or it's not even criticism of of tedium. It's just like okay. Everybody's looking to add pieces to your game to make yourself better, right? How do you go from being all of the a second. All in vehicles to? How do you go from being, you know, the perennial All-Star to mvp-caliber? How do you go from being a guy gets. Lose your key in the Conference Finals to NBA champion. That's what we're talking about. And there's only one team that wins the championship every year. You can still be a great player, not win the championship that happens. Charles Barkley will go on the home is in the Hall of Fame. He's great. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, but that's what we're going on there. There is the wrong about it. There's something wrong with that lost. And there's something wrong with that, in Boston, and you never something. Yeah. But I'm saying, like, look at hard, right? I couldn't win the big game so he also includes I got to go right? You know, who else? I mean I think kind of saw the end of his birth. In Golden State, you know LeBron started seeing the final falling down around him. He had to get out of Cleveland and had to go to Miami, you know, that's what I'm saying. It's some point. It goes back about what she able to do is who you are and how good you are and your skills to your seeking something higher because you can accomplish a lot, you can score fifties with score 6481. Can you get the other four? Guys are sharing the floor with to a place for your better than everybody else? You're playing against? That's, that's a more impressive fee. And I took some of the chat. Then I wish he was cagey wishing, he was capable favorite player. The the the Kobe, I saw him get trashed for that and I was like, dude, right life Chad's. One of the most non will say the headline was hot a key, right? Well, but but didn't know favors on that they did yeah they set him up but if you log The article, it's not a hot take, it's a pretty direct sort of analysis of where the team has is at. And what the next step should be. And looking at home and and praising Garnett like half of that article is not about Tatum about taking that previous generation of Celtics that we all keep talking about and bring yet you know in parallel or comparing and contrasting or hitting in the ending planning against our current, you know, iteration. And you know, honestly I think at this point with the amount of time we have left in the show, you went right where I was headed when he brought up that article because, you know, an article really centered around kg going into the Hall of Fame. But then, you know, we've got about maybe 10 minutes and there's also, Paul Peirce is going in and might rents going in, man. Mike Gorman is going in. Yeah, I just could not dead. Be more happy to see that. And I I wrote this if you remember skip para and we worked with him when we were doing all the. Yeah. So CNBC Thursday, then I'm all over the place. I think Comcast sports, that's Comcast Sports Net. And, you know, we were kind of doing the Celtics stuff live with them thing and Iraq might did a couple of reads promoting our content on their website. That was, that was like, kind of a pinnacle, you know, for us when we were doing this with different aspirations, I'll say. And, and, but anyway, you know, I remember Mike doing that read to me like, wow, that actually happened, and he was always such a supporter of the show, but I wrote a song skips post on LinkedIn, congratulating Mike. You know, I said, I hope that Mike was both stunned and humbled because, you know, despite all of his accomplish, Men's, you know, I'm that's that's what makes him who he is, you know, and I thought he was both stunned and humbled even though, you know, he had to see it coming on some level. So congrats to you Mike, I'm going to I'm going to give you the spotlight on this particular show you get the. The prime spot ahead of Garnett or Pierce law, which says a lot because I absolutely love Garnett appears but I love how when I've gone to games like when I brought my son for the first time and, you know, my life trying to do his work and it's before the game, but he's out on the floor and he's recording that stuff that I tell an offshore no really. I know, Mike. Can I just wave and say hi wage and the Usher lets me down a little bit further anyway and then Mike waves, my family and my son down. Yeah to talk to us even though he's busy as heck you know, it's that dead. It's that it's totally that how I have so much trouble finding time in my life for all the things that I want to do. And you know, to be respectful to age that come into contact with or you know, just try to live in the moment. It's so hard and you know that guy does he makes time for people and, you know, he's in my hall of fame for that reason. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you know, for me it was I was so glad, you know, I know this is not the way that the Hall of Fame works and it would have that taken away from from Mike's Hall of Fame. Career is all being morally and deserves to be in on a felt. But part of the also would have liked the idea of birth and by going in together. Yeah, I'm sharing that honor because for us for almost forty years of one team, there aren't, I don't know what their any other colors. A guys that on a local level that are as memorable as possible in in the seventy five plus years of of the NBA. So we're almost every five years so that's you know part of me I just like well that would have been nice and I had hope they can get around to doing that cuz I think he's worthy about honor, but Mike being on his own. And maybe when I mean, just, I was driving in a car. When I saw the same pop up that that forsberg put up there that he had been given the choice award. I just, that made me so happy. I mean, I just there have been a lot of bad stuff that has happened to speak. For all of us who are Celtics fans off last night. Rob William Peter. Smart good. It's like, what does it end? But to see might get that honor, I wish Tommy was around to be there in the Hall of Fame when they do the environment in September. That. That's, that's a bittersweet Part of the stability, but because they are linked, but Mike's career and his work going and she's a a, a, a particular, the biggest he was the voice behind so many great college basketball games in a formative part of making call us back or one of them's today, he was the call log. Recall for send it in Jerome, he was on the call for syracuse-georgetown. He was on the call for Saint Johns and and, you know, Seton Hall and he he was that guy when you go back and change all games. And it's just, I'm so happy for him and so happy for him, be sharing that time with Paul. Who was his favorite multi-player, there the whole time. He covered the team wasn't there, a lot during the bird area, but he thought everything had just about that, Paul Pierce played and so cool to have those two going at the same time. You there Justin? Oh yeah. I on mute. I said, yeah, that is really cool. And let's spend the last few minutes home. Talk about Kevin Garnett and his comments, you know, about Boston and the city and most specifically, the thing that stuck out to me was, you know, he said I probably should have gone there a little bit earlier and I don't know if you caught wind of the rumors and I caught, we have a close friend of the show that I haven't talked to in years, but he really helped us gain a lot of success. And he was there on a lot of draft nights and we're not going to necessarily drop his name cuz I'm not sure that he would want us to talk if he even listens to the show anymore. But but I would hear a lot from him regarding, you know, the rumors that were materializing. And I remember one time I was doing my blog, that's how we're Early. It was I don't even know that I had started. The that I had started the podcast yet and you know with JB and then found you, you know, and all that. I think it's still doing the blocks Celtic 17 on most valuable Network NBN and And somebody like, messaged me and was like, listen Celtics are going to trade for Kevin Garnett this summer. It's going to happen and I was like really all right, you know, it's true that it but then our mutual friend you know of the show kind of said no, they're definitely. They're trying to do it man. I think it could happen, you know? And I was like, oh I so maybe this is kind of legitimate wound up being two years later, I think before actually, you know, came to fruition and I remember our mutual friend telling me. Yeah, dude, it's going to happen. I'm like, I will see, you know, whatever but God but but when he said that it made me think that that all those rumors, you know in that conversation might have been a lot more longer. Go on going home. We heard that he had kind of declined it before, right? And then when Ray Allen got traded is when he sort of opened up to the club. Station and there was something about his comment there. That made me think. Yep, conversations between Danny and Mikayla been going on in had been presented to him. He's loyal a f and you know, didn't want to leave or whatever and it finally got over the top and the writing was on the wall and he's basically telling us like wage, you know, that could have started sooner too bad. It did. Yeah, no. Yeah. It does seem like it was more real, you know, him instead of the few times I wish I could come earlier, I should have gone to Boston office. You know, and I think part of it is loved for the fans and and, and the passion that we show for him. He was handing, lovely A, Perfect Memory, Xena wage Boston ones. Are, you know, the stuff that they want him to be the old? That's that's what they love about Garnett bird. Wasn't that guy? Oh, by the way it was beloved, you know, now, so he knew how to get the fans going and he's figured that out in time. But but when he first got here, he was not a guy either, so, but you're right. I think, you know, Garner small type, a Dunkin Donuts, sausage egg and cheese, heart attack. Overlay ready to go work. Fresh Barley. If we were a comedian as a region we'd be Chris Farley. I was awesome. Yeah, exactly wage a time when he was Championship, 2018, you know, and at the same time where Matt Foley, you know, and off ramp out by the river. Yeah, you know, motivational speakers, you know, we just get ourselves all jacked up, you know, but but then he was like the legit real deal. So he was and and so I was so happy for him, he loved that guy. I would love him to have a closer relationship with his team. I was a foul, have a closer relationship with the team. I think these guys just like how piercing Garnett would get visited every so often by fossil check in Sam Jones and slash Sanders and Louise. They're not tell them how to play but just to. Hey how's it going? I love what you did the other night. I think these guys I think it's not a big thing. It's not going to change body but I think they need that connection to that round of that group of people. I think it's special and we'd be more than perk same stuff on the coast itself. They need love. They love and they need a little guidance. And without Tommy, they need that more than ever. I think. So, let's hope in 2022. We're gonna be able to see a little more of that when a wrapped it up in a bow for me that's going to do it for this week's show. As a reminder you can follow something stuff live on Twitter at CSL underscore tweet live. You can follow John at CSL underscore Duke. You can follow me at home so underscore Justin, we'd always appreciate a rating and review because your feedback is important to the show heartfelt. Thank you to sticking through this super negative start about Cairo Georgia. And then getting into, you know, some of the era that John and I really came up in with Pierce, Garnett and Mike Gorman. Congratulations to you sir on behalf of Nick Junior. Also, the founder of Ceylon s media. My co-host John Duke. I'm just appalled, and thanks for listening. This week's episode Celtics stuff live.

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631 :Tatum Struggles For Answers

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631 :Tatum Struggles For Answers

"Right there off Thursday morning normal. You're welcome to Celtic stuff live on the ceiling test media Network the leading online provider of audio and video coverage or your Boston Celtics and if you'll have them if you'll claim them Boston Celtics John and you know, just how long watching the Philadelphia game was frustrating. It's good to see some guys coming back. You know, it's good to see Langford back. He's he's he's got lots of energy still a little rubber. You know Tristan Thompson probably played more minutes than they expected in the next win. Although a win that I don't think it should have been that tight. I mean God team is kind of tough to watch John and I think I mentioned this on the last show, but I've definitely fallen asleep in the middle of games several times this year. I don't know if it's cuz I'm working hard and I'm and I'm tired or you know, if the product just isn't that exciting but I know Brad likes the you know, the three-point ball and and I don't necessarily hate it but God it just the way they set it up. They don't move the ball and they don't go inside and a lot of times that leads to like hustle and you know even Tatum he doesn't even seem to warm up until the second half any more just kind of, you know hanging around in the first half just weird to log Beard well, yeah, I I you know, I think that there's there's real problems with you know, trying to draw too much from this season and all that blah blah blah, you know, whatever so, you know, look through all the caveats out right now, right but home the point is to me is that the team is not playing cohesively. They're not playing consistently. They're not playing together and And it's it's nothing has changed in that regard since day one. There are momentary blip. Swear things look good for a quarter a half maybe even a couple of good games, but then they slide back and and I'm not look let's the Sixers are a good team. They have a chance to go to the final exam a chance of winning the finals, you know, I mean, I'm not put everything on the Sixers game, but this homestand you know of seven games was the chance for the Celtics to kind of right the wrongs the season to to scrub away the the the bad stuff to take the new guy and 48 build off of his addition and to really just kind of start a new and and really what they've done is they've discontinued the continued, you know, what has happened all up again discontinued the fact that formulas for making Terror or out for covert protocols. And of course ROM Oh didn't come back right away. And you know all this stuff. We we all know the the reason but it to me, it's it's simpler than that. It's it's just it's simpler than that and it's that from the team's best player on down. They don't consistently play the right way. I think that's what it comes down to. It doesn't mean he's not talented doesn't mean he's not he's not a good player. It doesn't mean the second best player on the team isn't talented or isn't a good player doesn't mean they need to be treated tomorrow off but I think that there's a lot of questions that need to be answered in this offseason. And yes, I'm writing off the rest of the season by the way. So if I'm wrong we'll talk about it in May or June, but right now the season is done stick a fork in it. It's over. There's 21 games left. I think if my math was correct and you know dead. See what this team had done against, you know, the Knicks and chili these last two games just proves the point to me that they're not they're not a serious player. They're not serious. There are Midland team-best a team that probably should be in a play a game and hopefully isn't doesn't win the the first play a game and ends up the ten the 10th record in the NBA. That's what I'm rooting for at this point. I'm I'm I'm so disgusted with how that they how the team played. I don't think it says its indication that I do think Jayson Tatum's a good player or or Jaylen Brown is a good player, but those guys, you know, and I'm going to point the Tatum tonight in particular because I think it's more often Tatum's issue than brown brown was trying to do the right thing early on Tatum did the right thing of times tonight, but Jayson Tatum makes everything have to be this Thursday. Gargantuan effort to try to get a shot off when it all it takes is passed the ball and get it back past cut relocate like it's just it's just simple man the Gita basketball. All he wants to do is shoot that little side step back 3-pointer, you know, like that's all he wants to shoot all season. It seemed like that and he's killing his team by doing that and I'm not saying he can't make him he can make him he can make him as well as anybody in the league. He can make him but him doing that then means no one else touches which means no one else moves, which is no one else passes, which we no one else drives to the paint and and kicks out. I mean, it's there was one play where Catholics get a turnover or the rebound. They give it to Tatum Tatum takes 12 seconds and 12 dribbles to get the ball over half court to climb the shuttle or off the song. Of the the back door off the side of the rim, you had you know, the mystery up so slow. It's just it's okay the clock. Yep. Yep. There's no connection to the rest of the team. It's somebody somebody said to me today. It's like watching an a he's out there and it is it's like, okay now, we're show you what I am and I could give a shit what he can do. I know what he can do. We all know what he can do. What I want to see him do is lead a team to winning and this is going to claw like get off my lawn and I'm old man and stuff, but I'm sick of this. I'm watched enough you watched enough. It's either he's going to lead and he's going to take those ample talents. He has and combine them with what skill he does have around them which isn't the best song in the league but decent enough to compete in the Eastern Conference certainly to play at the level they did last year and to be a really competitive team potentially, even the mixed, you know be a top-three team in the East but what's happened this year has been so terrible so many levels and yes, he's had covid-19 is off that's true, but covid-19 explain total dribbles and twelve seconds at a claim 312. You know, that's not that's not covid-19 me, you know, I don't know. I'm not in that situation maybe the brain fog. I don't know but it's it's frustrating. It's incredibly frustrating and I know I just believe so much more at home. He can do than what he's doing right now. There's a question we asked about whether or not Brad Stevens is a guy to be able to turn him around but right now my eyes are turning to the max contract best player on the team and I'm saying you got to play different and you're going to lead that's what's got to happen. That's he's got to be the best player and he's going to leave this team somewhere not just be the best player who can be like blow up for you know, twenty five points in a quarter and and the that production be what leads them in the NBA you to be the best player to remind you of I mean, I wouldn't even say early Pierce at this point. No. No, I was just going to say attitude wise attitude wise. Yeah, you know where I'm going. No. No, I don't. Where are you going? Let's just go back to his alma mater. No, no, no, no. No. No, this is this isn't Kyrie. This isn't Kyrie because that was that's a whole nother level whatever of weird and inability to lead in a normal fashion. This is I'm twenty through twenty-two twenty-three. I'm giving the key for the first time what the hell do I do with this? I mean to me that's where this is and and so I'm not going to put kyree's bullshit on him. But I am going to say like he's got to figure this out fast. You know, he's got look he's just on the max deal last year. It kicks in this summer so long For this team to go anywhere if he wants his legacy to be what it is and not just be a a a, you know, good good good score bad team guy, you know, you know effectively of Zach LaVine which is crazy cuz he's done a hell of a lot more than a guy like that but you know to place this way the way he's played that's where he's headed which is points empty calories an empty calories player and I just there's so much more in him. I mean he has he can repeat capabilities. We all see it defensively rebounding, you know scoring. I mean, it's all there but you gotta be connected, you know, you connect you get a lead your guys as the best player. You don't have to be vocal. Larry was in the local guy. You know, there was a lot of guys in those 86 sucked Celtics locker rooms who had voice, you know said, Georgia Had voice mckiel had voiced, you know Parish at times. He doesn't need to be like the Chatty Cathy, you know, you know leader like LeBron who was just orchestrating. Everything doesn't have to be that but I don't know what I don't know that that they're getting leadership out of him. And I think if they are gain leadership from him from style of play, it's not great. That's my point. So I woke up set up seconds. I expect more that's really what it comes down to. Yeah, I mean you expect more from the entire team. I gotta tell you though. Like I've been pretty happy with brown for the most part this season cuz he's willing to sit back and he'll move the ball but every once in a while when they really need somebody to go to the rack and you know, put that pressure on the middle. He's the guy to do it. I hate him needs to do that more when you say lead in ways that maybe aren't vocal and whatnot maybe in style of play. That's the style of play. He he needs to go in he needs to attack. He needs to move apps the defense when they get when the opposing team gets a camp out around the three-point Arc and apply easy pressure on ball pressure out on the perimeter wage with minimal effort on rotations to still close it out. That's bad. yeah, and at times I would say that that that, you know, absolutely kind of You know what it is. I think it's more than that though. Let me put it this way. I think that Jalen Jalen did I thought did a great job tonight. I'm trying to turn the page from last month. I don't I didn't get any sense of what Tatum's purpose was to like, you know, I saw it. He started he played better and off the very end of the game. I thought he had some key plays and and he had that eight point, you know kind of run there at one point where he was relentless contact in the basket, but I don't think his job is Nash attack attack attack of the same way. Jalen says, I don't I don't think he's that type of guy but I say she's gotta be more of Get it do something give it up. You know the stuff that pop was trying to get them to work on with USA Basketball that kind of half second. Okay, no move it like wage. That's what you needs to figure out and I'm not saying that if he plays for pop he's going to do well and Brad Stevens sucks. And he's the worst ever like I'm over that whole thing that Twitter app Boston Sports media are doing right there now because it's just it's stupid, you know, the solutions are much more complicated than trade everybody fire everybody. That's not the answer. We have good players. We have a coach I think is a talented coach and I think is a good coach. The question is where do we go and took them I think in terms of his leadership. Yes, he needs to put the ball on the deck and get to the pain, but I think it's also do it make a decision move. Like that to me is the thing that I see to him of just making the simple path. Like I typed it out. Like I don't know like three or four times to like make the simple path but there was a situation one of his turnovers was he had the ball in the corner, I think. Payton Pritchard, you kind of comes to the foul line extended, you know, basically above the break wide open for 3, he could have just give it in the ball instead. He holds it down some more makes them move then she sees semi ojeleye in the opposite corner rifles the past fifteen feet over his head at the turnover and that happened with that type of play happened a couple of times where it has happened that just make more than that. Just tonight dude right season, even in jail and had a pass to the to an official them and you know, he's kind of notoriously done that several times this year. I have more and I have I guess in and maybe that's unfair I put more on on on Tatum than on Brown in terms of his ability to react to make because I just have a lower bar for what I need from from Brown in that regard. She's grown and and I and I like what he has done what I like about. Brown is I can usually understand his motivation and understand where he's coming from. I still think he's too quiet. I still think he's maybe not emotional enough. He doesn't push the guys he'd found you know, and maybe that's not who he is. But both of those guys are pretty like emotionally kind of based, you know, they're not too high. They're not too low just like they're coached not too high not too low, but you need some fire at times you need to have something to kick you into another vehicle is out of town Lake but is that a well they say they get it from Thompson to Okay. I'm with you I wait like it's like okay cool. You know like I don't know I didn't get it from them. So, you know, the he's not he's not going to be you know, the kg kind of locker-room presence ever ever and I know you're not I realize that's off Pierce's far as I want to go with this comparison. You know, Pierce Pierce was one. Do you want to stop just short of spitting on the bench? There's a whole bunch of folks here. We bring it up right now. I just say it good but we really need is is we need a press conference with brown and Tatum side by side and then a nice head wrap around off today. That's what we did. I still don't think that's as bad as everyone made it out to be. But anyway, yes, it was hilarious. It was I thought it was but, you know wage McMullen had a cal about it and whatever but that was a time when Paul Pierce had to learn how to grow up. Okay, and he and Doc made there. You know, they made their their peace and it took a couple of years and they got and that's I guess that's the kind of the point of this conversation where it turns to Brad and Brad's the guy that can make him change. Now. There are people out there. They're going to say well they don't need it. Why isn't it change? He's you know, he has all these stats and he's net rating is off the roof and he's all of that is true. But he's the best player on a shit team of 2 game below 500 team that can't get out of bed on way that throws the ball all over the goddamn place that for all intents and purposes should be a better team than the one that just gave us serious run almost to the NBA finals and now they're hovering at five hundred and you know, they can't I mean the Milwaukee win was nice but outside of that they can't give any of the Dead. And there's a run know there to say their class, you know below that would be would be generated generous. Yeah, but you know, I mean, they're not you watch that silly game and they're not even the problem is they're not connected, you know, and and then they like us off they like each other but they're not connected. Yeah, they're affable. They're not tight which what they said about the 19-team, you know, they said they were Five Guys. It just didn't work right how we that we learned that kind of line in reference to the 2019 group. Well, Okay, these are all over again, you know, look it's not you could argue that there's a mental fatigue that's going on and off and you know that the short turnaround I can tribute a lot of this to mental fatigue, you know, but in Europe, I mean Miami's got a let down to the short turnaround and then the injuries have to deal with in the lineup inconsistency with Kemba out, you know on the second night of back-to-backs and like the whole thing is a mess roster construction is slightly more balanced now than it was and then 48 despite a slow start with the club really didn't provide them, you know with with with a significant left and balances out that whole rotation and helps out with the bench and everything else wage. Playing well, it really makes a difference. I mean, I think you know, we we're not going to go back into the traded player exception and the value conversation there but the the day I mean they made some small moves those moves are always made to hopefully, you know inject, you know, some energy even Mo Wagner, right? Like he's super high-energy guy almost a little out of control, you know lately but but that's the you know, that's what you're that's the kind of locker room stuff. You were hoping to do the teachers just really young and we've said that before but it's had some veteran leadership that's been anchored around it. And I don't know. I mean, we're you're you're I'm going to take this a different direction a second, you know, you're kind of calling out Tatum and and what not, but I'm not saying that that's not fair because it is fair but the team is super young and so dead. After I tell you about betonline.ag we're going to talk about Kemba Walker. 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He started the season a little bit later but you know disrupting the the line up in the rotation to some degree which is because they're young I think probably a bigger challenge for this team than it might be for others with your one of your star players sitting on the bench the second night of back-to-backs certainly, but It's also his leadership style. He's not a vocal leader. And when I said that they kind of had all this youth bookended by some leaders. You know, Kyrie Irving was vocal just fell on deaf ears. He couldn't get anybody to get behind it. Like you said the 19-team but but they've always you know, even Gordon Hayward, you know, he was dead always grinding but he was in that locker room. Like they've always had some veterans that have really kind of tried to push it and I feel like I feel like the only one they really have eat despite the offseason with Jeff Teague no longer here Tristan Thompson just barely playing lately. You may not getting it and even when they made the trades they got younger guys, right coordinates, you know what it see twenty-five. I think Mo Wagner. It's like 23000 Fournier is twenty eight years old that makes him like an elder Statesman ready to retire on this club. And you know, you still in The Sweet Spot for a great contract. That's that that's a factor for sure and that's when you really need the guys like the veteran guys like Thompson and and come back to really fill in that void and push this team forwarded. I just don't think that Kim was that vocal leader. He's a lead-by-example kind of guy and you can have large dog. Lead by example people and you can have lots of players that are nice and and want to work and work hard. I'm not even sure that we can say like these guys don't work hard. But I think the lack of practices is really hurting this team given the fact that they don't have a vocal leader. You know, Brett Brad is always wage whined about not having enough practice time you get to this point in the season every single year that he's coached and you know schedules kind of grinding and whatnot and they're trying to keep everybody fresh and so they even cut back on practices and he'll say all the time. We just don't really have the practice time we need. I mean I've heard him I don't want to do is an excuse but I don't want to I don't want to position it in a way where it's like Brad is using it as an excuse cuz I don't think he is trying to make excuses some of the times he brings it up team. Even be doing that bad. He just kind of complains that he doesn't have practice time and I think it's killing him. I honestly do. Yeah, I think okay. So start with a cab apiece. I think I think you're right that you know, I I think it's a lot like Hayward in 2019 where he was trying to get himself, right? And you know that kind of takes him out of the leadership role in a way cuz he's trying to get his own game going and that kind of single focus single-minded focus and sometimes take you out of you know, the larger, you know see in the lounge or the larger issues at play. I think that's a big part of why you know, he wasn't there in the first whatever 15 games or whatever. It might have been off and then that inconsistency like you said of being in and out of the lineup and you've got a back-to-back once every week basically so when it happens, it's like okay we try to get some construction. Is he going on the court? And then what is out now is in never mind all the other injuries Point people out and it's just like If you don't have practice time and so now you're trying to learn on the court, but even on the court, you can't cuz you're you're you know, one of your best guys isn't there. It's like even as a vocal guy. It seems like the issue isn't scheme or anything like that. It's really building consistency among the players on the court. You know, I'm doing this you're doing this you're doing this. Everyone has knows their job and took it does it, you know completely but it's that kind of in and out stuff has really been a problem and I think kembla exemplifies that as much as anyone and and I think you're right. I don't think he's a global leader in that regard. I think he's a positive leader. I think he was exactly what they needed after Kyrie, you know in terms of a supportive guy, but now there's a question is is his game the right fit next to these two guys, you know, he, you know, there's times when he plays with great energy and focus and I think you know, we saw that wage Particularly in the in the the Charlotte game there are moments where he was really bringing it and and I think that that's what they need, but he has to do that all the time. You have to kind of film that new role and I'm not sure he's figured that out yet. And I said good until he does it's he's not going to live up to anywhere near Weston that contract, you know, God. Brad's another story Brad's of the story altogether, you know, you've you've defended him over the years. I think we both have you know for sure and I think he's I think he's a good coach, you know, so I don't want to just throw the baby out with the bathwater on this, you know in the middle bad year, but okay now, what do you what are the last piece is the reason there aren't changes with Brad. You want a very Too Much from the strategy cuz he's afraid he's not going to be able to like he's not going out because you're already dealing with these funky rotations and people in and out of the lineup and then the trades and all of that. Yeah, you think he's kind of afraid to do The Tweak because he can't really get in the Reps the way you would want to and practice and make an adjustment like that. I didn't do tweaking is because he hasn't got anything near consistency in play for money Players. You know, what's what's this week if you haven't seen any kind of stretch of success. Yeah. I see what you're saying. You know, like I don't know, you know, it's like people dead. Never played Grant Williams. Okay. So what I mean, you want to place Chevy more, you know what I mean? Like, okay, we're going to do more Coronet like I don't really understand. I I don't understand why people like, you know trade Grant Williams like really like that. That's the problem Great Waves of the problem great volumes doesn't have a usage rate of over 30,000. Great. Yeah, is he is he playing great know is he below average gas, but you have a first-round pick and you got to try to make it work. You know, Rob Williams was not great in a lot of times. He was on the court there were instances he was but there were a lot of instances where he was unplayable. So you throw him out too long before he's had a chance to mature as as now Rob has been course. So, That stuff is stupid to me. I think the question I think you're right. I think the the lack of practice time the the in and out of players. I think that's why they need a contract extension. So that has a lot to do with it. But I think the the the inconsistency and and the clothes turn around all that stuff is the reason why he's going to say off my question is, you know, basically, well, let's try it again is really what what we're what we're what we're kind of saying, you know, everything will be different next year. I hope that's true. But if it's not you gotta have Brad's got to have a better answer Brad's going to have these guys have got to show better, you know, and it just there's a lot of sense when you watch it as to whether or not Brad Stevens is is, you know, can he get he get Jayson Tatum to play the right way Club. That's where it comes down to now whether or not he can make Jayson Jayson Tatum productive Jayson Tatum has all the skills of world to be productive to me. This team is all going to go as far as Jayson Tatum wants to go, you know, I talked about Grant Williams and Richard wherever the hell else on here, but your best player is going to dictate largely how far they go. I mean, that's just that's the NBA I mean for as long as I watched it, so if they can figure out Tatum now they got okay now we're in the conversation now, we're can we go, you know, I just think so much of the reason why this year has not worked is because I'm I'm has not been as affected as you should, you know, productive. Yes, but not productive in the way of leading to team's success. You know setting the tone that is played whether he's on the court or off the court. This is how we play here and I'm the best wage there. And this is how we're going to do it cuz this is what I demand of all of them you think of the bronze teams play completely differently just because he's off the court know he spent his team, you know, and Tatum home has to be that guy in part lebronzo, but in part he's going to be that guy. I mean don't you think don't you think there's a higher level of of leadership and expectation for those truly great mvp-caliber guys. Justin yeah, I'm here. Okay. What do you think? I mean, do you think that there's you think you have to put you think a guy just because the guy gets 25 points a night is not enough. No, no is no foul. You get them. It's how you get them and see that's why the very beginning, you know talking about Brown. I like the way he gets them when he disappears. He's not disappearing with the ball in his hands right away and he's still you know finds a spot on the floor where he can contribute and try to set tries to set himself up in into the offense and he'll facilitate stuff off and it really just comes right down to parking out, you know, beyond the three-point line and it does listen Tatum does see a ton of you know, triple coverages, right? I mean, let's face it. They throw everything at him because it clearly works to shut down the offense, you know, and you know, and you rotate back over to to Kemba I mean dead. Cannabis not really attack in the room anymore either so it's gotten even less or I should say it's gotten even more one-dimensional. Yeah, and he's not hitting his shots. So it doesn't even open anything for anybody else and I guess you know, that's something where the teams this is why fornia made a lot of sense to in some respects and the the one game, you know in the past week was at the Charlotte game where I'm going opened up, you know, you had you had 48 just all of a sudden what did he hit like seven 3-pointers it was ridiculous and look look at how the whole game end up for that club. And I think that's I think that's the other detrimental. Peace. And and when you watch Tatum try to get warmed up for the game and the first half most of his 3-pointers don't fall so then Thursday is congested form from that point on as well. So he can't even you know, sometimes stars get a kind of work themselves to a point where they're warmed up and we've seen this with Tatum, but he's dead. Really doesn't have any room to do that. So he's trying I think in his mind that if he hits like his favorite shot and gets a few of those going that he'll eat off of that and get energy and and and it's not entirely fair to say that he isn't contributing cuz he does get rebounds. He usually, you know gets a good amount of rebounds and he he does it's just the assist piece. It's the ball movement piece. That's where it's you know, really really lacking in Iraq, but there's even moments on defense. I mean, let's face it. This team is not even a really solid defense of Club think I heard scowl say it during the Knicks game tonight where he said that earlier on they looked really good because they weren't over rotating, you know, and so like even when this club tries to put in the effort, sometimes the effort is just like not Smith. Effort and and then I think they even wear themselves down trying to do it the chemistry the culture the or the camaraderie off the court, you know again, I feel like this team likes being around each other off the court, you know locker room and everything else but you know, let's let's shifting gears on this you said it's a loss and we can kind of end on this topic. You said it's a Lost season, but is it a lost club or is it a lost team and what I mean by that is the long season is there's lots of reasons we can stack that up right Kemba starting late the condensed schedule the short turnaround Tatum's covid-19 is a laundry list of excuses. Okay, and the team is I think in large part, you know looking in from the outside probably a little allowing those excuses to skate them through Thursday. Season and then they're saying to themselves only just got a hover around 500 so we can make the postseason and then we'll turn it on right and so we'll see I see if that's the case. We'll see if they've convinced themselves that that's possible or that's doable. I don't think it is. But that doesn't matter right what I you know, even even a 20 games left and finishing strong or 21 games or whatever and finishing strong. I still don't think they're going to be tested enough at that point to really or they'll be worn down by it off, you know, they might hit their stride but they're probably be worn down by it and then you know, what do they do? Why do they hit the home stretch that way then, you know, they don't have anything left in the tank cuz they you know, so but but this is really worth getting at with all of those excuses and the intense pressure and criticism coming from outside of the organization. You know, all of the things that Compound on top of a game List of excuses and the poor play etcetera how well does this team not allow a Lost season pass to totally destroy, you know, the locker room that's really going to tell us a lot and we won't see it till next season. But if they survive that get an organ at least close to normal offseason do their offseason workouts. You know... Everything that they normally do get a break from the game. If they come back next season and regardless of whatever laundry list of excuses, there are maybe it's a grocery shopping list. Whatever that list of excuses is if they're if they don't come back competitively to start next year at that point. I think that's going to be everything you need to know if there will be lots of blowing up and I think Brad's names on the table, I think you know who I think's indispensable right now, you know who I really legitimately don't think they would trade off Jalen Brown. I think they're so in on Jaylen Brown at this point because he's already kind of done that remember he was on the bench, you know, the end of the Kyrie tabacalera and he had to come back and he's he's his continuous improvement shows Drive shows wage. Amendment to adjust shows flexibility and in his own way and it will never be in the same way in his own way Tatum's yet to do that job. And I think that I mean they pay these guys, but anybody would take a twenty-three-year-old star and trade for him and put him on a team with a but especially Tatum and put him on a team with a bunch of other great players and stars and know that they're going to get their money out of it right take a little pressure off Tatum and watch him be awesome. Again, take a little pressure off Tatum and put the ball in somebody else's hands and you know, put them on in the right culture and that comes back to the whole leadership thing that you were talking about earlier in this episode is can he do that? And the question is I don't know off and I'm not saying that brown can be that type of leader that you're asking for, but he also doesn't kill the team when he turns it on. He turns it on Thursday. Any rains threes the attacks of the rim and when he's off, he's fine disappearing into the background and letting the players who are on or it can take over letting them do that and not getting in the way and still contributing a good amount to the team without hurting them. I think they're so in on Jaylen Brown. It's not funny and interestingly earlier this year. There was that manufactured debate of Brown vs. Tatum, which was all meant to say can they co-exist and and I just don't see it. I don't see any battle for leadership of the team or minutes or scoring opportunities going on between Tatum and brown whatsoever has such a false narrative wage. I think they're viewed a lot more closely by Danny Ainge than a lot of us would think. Yep, you know, I think that I think that there there's I think they're dead. I don't think love them. But yeah with that I've always thought there's a case I said this to my son cuz he was arguing with me and everytime Tatum did something to take over a game. I'd get a text message and he'd be like see that's why I changed them is better than brown and I was like, oh my God, why are you buying into this and I keep arguing with him and be like, it's a lot closer than you think and I know you just put those words in his mouth. Right? Like I think for Danny it's a lot closer, but I've always thought there's an argument to be made that that may be brown, you know could end up being above Tatum not if you want to just talk about offense then probably not but look at the strides Browns made offensively and continues to make it's so Jimmy Butler asked. Yeah. Yeah, I think Jimmy is probably I think what happened last year is probably a needle in a haystack situation, you know the odd but you're right. I mean you happened, you know, and and and it's true and yeah, I mean he's She could be that kind of special leader. But what I don't know is I guess my point is I don't think these are guys gone. I don't think either one of those guys leaves but I think wage that doesn't mean that they can't be made uncomfortable or or challenged or I think there's a lot of ways that that the Celtics could look at the situation and let me back off the negativity for a second and say look they're both incredibly talented players with high up sides and they're very young with plenty of room to grow and learn and change. This is not been the best situation to see someone best. You know what I mean? It's like it's kind of stupid to be like, oh well, let me just fire all of them hate all of them. But all that like that's stupid, you know, but on the other side next season. Yeah. No, I absolutely right like so what do we learn from what we see now and and what Cathy Do with that to try to make mixture better. That's kind of where I'm at right now with this season is like, okay, I've written off this year. There's nothing I can see that has value but then gain as high-tech as possible, honestly, and so that what it to me, it's try to get more consistency out of the the bench youth the Romeos the grants the Peyton Pritchard the Rob's whatever's going to happen here. They need to be solid need to be something that that can be relied upon at a an average NBA player level. That Brad can say look if you do the right thing, they're going to make it an average amount of time or they're going to do the right thing and average amount of time party that with practice but that to me is like what we need out of those guys. Just the average more than average is a bonus, right if they have average wage Supporting Cast and those two guys doing what I think they can I think they're fine. But but they've got to be averaged but those guys and again, I'm putting more on Tatum than brown and I think Browns defense has not been a good it needs to be I think he was asking too much offensively. I think that let his defense flipped. He's got injuries dude. He's being a month now. Yeah, but I mean, right but what I'm saying is is I think that he was asked to do a time you put too much on her shoulders. It's been a while since that's happened. So whether he still cares, yep, Bulky me around I don't know but like we had three different three straight plays not with embiid, but with Simmons and Tobias Harris and I want to say shake Milton on page where he got abused in the post three straight possessions against the Sixers. That doesn't happen. Yeah. I saw your Tweet about that possibly like what's up there? Yeah, but but a couple of plays season you have it but a couple of plays does not a season make right like you said there are times and I agree but in large part, you know, he's been he's been dead pretty strong considering what's being asked of him. And and and I I want to I want to end the show on this cuz we're straying far from that final point and the and and I want to read this to you cuz I I did not I was not aware of this post game interview with Jaylin when I made my point and brown is you know off Game interview. He said he had a conversation with Tatum before the game about shutting out the outside noise. So it clearly is leaking in and they're aware of it and maybe this is going to be their leadership style. But then outside outside noises getting in and how long they survive and stay together heading into next season and starting next season's going to tell us a lot we mailed it to I can't even believe that he mentioned that after the game. It's it's, you know, it's a hunch, but it just got pretty validated. Well, and you remember Marcus Smart said something kind of similar right before the deadline right around the deadline about how we can't let things off in guys have something like things guys have seen going on, you know off the court and we can't let that bother us or something to that effect specifically what that means. I don't know but I I just I love to know more about what that means for you to pay them off. I guess that's kind of my initial thought is like, okay what's going on in there? You know, but Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean if that stuff that's these guys didn't forget how to play basketball since October. Yeah. They just forgot how to play basketball together since together. Right? Right. And so, you know, I don't understand why this happened has happened twice in three years in Boston, but I think we needed just kind of a circle back and Brad because we had glossed over that just real briefly, but like You know, I think he's a good coach. I think all those things but you know, he's definitely not the norm of what the pro a great NBA coach stands. Which is usually a former player who's been there and done it and can kind of get in guys faces when they need to but you know, whatever. I'm not a big believer in that, Rasta off, but you know, I think this is a I think you know pay them said something earlier this year about how he really appreciated moves leadership. And you know Luke was you know bad guy and Iraq was kind of their form and whatnot. And I think that's what we thought maybe Tristan Thompson could be was that guy who's been there done it but you know has thoughts kind of sees the bigger picture, you know, Tristan had a great night against the Knicks had didn't have a great season. I think he's going to be better and maybe if he plays better that will leads just like with Kemba the better he plays the more influence so have because that's really what needs to be in Jayson Tatum Z or I think his veterans, you know, they need to add more best friends who are offering that feeds advice and allowing these guys to hear what they need to hear. I mean, Kevin Garnett was like Kevin Garnett without Sam Mitchell. Yeah. Yep. You know what? I mean? I mean these guys sometimes they need Paul cares whether it be Paul Peirce without Antoine, you know, you need those guys around you to kind of help you out, you know, kind of sharpen the steel a little bit. And so that's I guess the take away from all this to me is like they got a shout out the noise. They got to start to trust each other. I'm not sure they're going to be able to do that this year. I feel like they need to get away from basketball for like four months and come back in the spring fresh. You know, I think that it's going to take that it's going to take a different approach. But if they can view that I you know, I have a lot of faith in them to be able to look a lot differently at the start of the 22 season next fall that I do that I probably should given what we've seen this year. Well you and I walk through the rest of this season of shows. So hopefully they give us a little bit of Hope here regardless of I think you're right on that. I think Clean Slate I think a fairly full offseason I think workouts. I think family time all of that. It's been a it's been a pretty rough year. 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621 : Early Season Angst

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621 : Early Season Angst

"Right there off off normal. You're welcome to Celtic stuff live on the ceiling s media Network the leading online provider of audio and video coverage for your Boston Celtics John and Justin here. We are four games into the season and if you're listening to this as soon as we release it, we are in the midst of a back-to-back and away and home. They're going to be facing the Memphis Grizzlies just wrapped up two games in a row against the Indiana Pacers starting wage. The season with a nice win against the Milwaukee Bucks and then obviously dropped a stinker to Kyrie in the Nets nothing more painful than Mister saging the God himself coming in and getting a big win and you know, Katie isn't my favorite either John and then of course that first loss against Indiana post one definitely could've been definitely could have been in the Celtics favor lots of things that had to learn there. But the thing they learned is we record this after the second match up with Indiana wage is Peyton Pritchard is ready to play. He is ready to play in this league. I had a good feeling about him even in the preseason. I think I tweeted out. While we were watching one of the preseason games. I already liked him better than Carson Edwards and Tremont Waters and that's carried into the regular season. He's a scrapper can hit some shots and you know, who your mom? Me off. He reminds me of Steve Nash the way that he's willing to dribble into the paint and circle around and explore options. That's I think that's only going to get better and I could talk about the line up so we can talk about, you know, Tice and Thompson, which is something that you and I predicted in the preseason as a one of the more likely lineups and it makes sense when you consider the opponents that they've had but I think you gotta take a look at Pritchard getting into that starting lineup because the ball was moved better when he's in the game. I mean, he's he had the the fourth-most minutes tonight after Tatum Brown and smart and and then comes in fact Richard. I mean if you asked asked us draft night, what's what's Peyton Pritchard rolled going to be on this roster? It's like well, you know, maybe 8/9 man try to you know, Scrabble out 5-10 minutes. I you know try to get some playing time, you know, maybe someone bring Off the Bench going to be a showed a shooter. But when you look at the other guys, they're coming off this bench right now. Do you need somebody who can fill it up? And and now with that he's playing with such Poise for for a kid who's who didn't get a summer league who had two preseason games who's known known these guys for about five minutes and he comes out here and look I'm not going to say he's let the world on fire. This isn't like Tyler hero against the Celtics of the Eastern Conference Finals, but dead. But he provides something that this team needs in terms of some continuity some energy or not continuity but continuity in terms of offensive flow. He provides energy on both ends of the course. He provides paste any any more shots. Oh, by the way, which is a very important thing in this on this team. There are a lot of guys who make shots and there's a number of possessions wage earning that third and fourth quarter where everyone's search of who's going to take the shot who's going to take the shot and they're just playing Hot Potato Painesville and take the shop for sure and it's paid off tonight. It's paid off frequently over these first four games. He's got guts he's got Poise. He's smart with the ball. I mean, you know, maybe three possessions where I was like, I probably off the shot that are you probably shouldn't have passed up that shot. But for the most part, I mean you just has really great Court awareness and that all of a sudden Brown and and come back. Into the game things, you know, it's kind of slow down a little bit. He's not necessarily the focal point and he defers almost a little bit too much but then almost he but then he finds his way a little bit and gets a little bit more assertive again. And I think as he earns their trust and they see what he can do, especially when they're drawing attention. It's going to make a big difference. He also had already established chemistry. I think even more I'd say with Robert Williams than with Tristan Thompson or Daniel theis when he's had some nice place there, but that one time where he drove and got it off the glass knowing that he'd already drawn Indiana's big away from the paint and that Robert Williams was there it gave him confidence. Like those are the kinds of heady played that you just don't expect from a young player. But the thing that I thought you see this all the time with players and Pritchards position right really great place. College all four years and usually what happens is they come to the NBA and physically they're outmatched. They're great Shooters. They've got a couple of tricks in a bag but they get their little bit too one-dimensional and not not quite physically gifted enough to make it in the NBA, but the thing that we've seen him do a couple of times he's turned the corner. I'm not sure he's outmatched physically as I thought he would be I think he's holding his own. I think he's I think he's definitely hold his own. I think he's he's he's holding his own and he's sitting at home. That's right. How do you like that song? Hey, I got bars. Everybody know, you know, it's his he is certainly a guy who comes out there and he infuses others with energy and I think that was the thing coming out of the draft that they needed. I mean we talked about that me a toughness in him a grit to the home team. And you know, I I tweeted in the in the third quarter I said, this is a team Celtics routine without a lack of focus and a lack of effort. You know, there's just no phone. No there was no like purpose to what they were doing out there and paid and Pritchards effort really helped to guide and to help that team find purpose. You know, they just wage See me and during at times this year is they seem like they don't know where they're going or what they're what they're out there to do and you know, a lot of that usually people when you hear those things you look at the office, but I thought for you know, typically those minutes in the second half. But even this even the second quarter when you know Peyton had that had a decent run their you know, he he's just somebody who allows that to happen and allows other things to kind of fall into place and that's what this team needs. We know the Tatum and brown are getting at the top of the ticket. We know that's how long are they? Are we no smarts going to be a big player, but it's everybody else. How do they all fit and I think part of the frustration at Brad's had we saw it when he pulled Tristan Thompson and Faith nice in the in the first game against Indiana and really went with Rob for a lot of it. They need those other guys show effort those guys need to fill in the pieces and when everybody else isn't showing effort maybe because they're taking the lead from Tatum and proud or I don't know what the reasoning is dead. But but when those guys are doing less than the whole thing doesn't work and that's what we saw in the third quarter tonight where nobody was really giving that effort. Nobody was trying to do what what this team needs to win including Tatum and brown, you know, I think jail had a really rough third-quarter. This was being pressured effort is the type of thing that all of those guys including David Brown but to a lesser extent especially those places 3 through 15 on the roster have to do for this team to win other thoughts as well, you know, shut the whole damn thing down and let's go talk about keep Cunningham and get on tankathon. Well and Marcus Smart is a big part of that and I almost feel like he really can wage. We and we clamored for this on the last episode. We really want to see Marcus Smart be able to direct this offense. We want to see him lead it we want him to be a playmaker, but I don't think that the month or two stars Jalen and Jason are quite ready enough, you know to be able their facilitating they're doing some playmaking but I think this will lend a little bit more to what you were talking about with Brad and the coaching peace and the effort peace when when we don't get that Marcus leads on the defensive end. He doesn't lead as much on the offensive end and not trying to say that, you know to compare and contrast Pritchard against smart. But one thing we do know from all that we've heard from the very short training camp that there was was that Pritchard came in and gave, you know, a Marcus Smart like effort from the get-go that tenacity that desire and so I think they'll play off of each other extremely well and what time Seen rotationally, obviously as theis and and oh my God, I'm Tristan Thompson, you know in in that frontcourt and I think that especially the the matchups that they were against that made sense, but I think is they get away from the bigger teams that way that they can go to those smaller lineups and we'll talk about Robin Williams in this context as as well. But but I think that Pritchard and smart could play off of each other really where well because when the energy isn't their smarts going to do more on defense and it takes away from his ability to direct the offense and sometimes he even gets conned into doing some ISO of his own which is usually at that point already being overdone by Brown and took them and so he's actually doubling down on the issue where it's pretty sure it's going to bring something different and I think about the camaraderie or the chemistry that him and smarter building it really dead. Talk to me in the play in the 4th when Pritchard made it kind of a late. I think it was a lazy turn over but then books at all the way down the court and I think it was Brogden off the ball loose from then smart recovers it they're both coming down smart kicks it over to Pritchard and that right there to me was like smart acknowledged Pritchards effort that ball went to Pritchard simply because he made a hustle play. But what is Pritchard do he gives it right back to smart for an open 3-pointer that that kind of thing. I was like, I think those two are made for each other to bring out the best. I always think that's I think that's very true. I think they're a really a really good pairing truthfully say, you know in Paden In, oh God, I hate to say this. I'll do it and honor of our guy tell me I said, right, you know, there's no way to do it with the hell Peyton Pritchard. Oregon boy, you know star, you know a guy a little bit on the younger side and then he's paired up in the in the backcourt with a defensive-minded off guard whose combo guard but switchable but really one of the the best defenders in the whole game. There's a lot of Danny Ainge and DJ kind of Pensacola going to use em, like until you said it I hadn't really kind of put it together but you know people always say that there's a lot of you know, Marcus Smart and DJ comparisons, I don't see it in part because it is just easier was a different type of Defender, but they have the others some Echoes there. I mean, that's that's funny. That's really funny. Yeah. No, I agree with you and you know also to that to that to your point. There was a lot of I think the first person to kind of publicly comment about how great Payton was playing in, you know, kind of the wage Um, whatever training camp they had was with Marjorie Camp. Yeah. He yeah, so that's, you know, even more to your your you know idea that that's you know, that's the the main thing and I just you know, what I like is that he's he's taking what he's getting he's getting an opportunity and he's taking it, you know, the problem is is that they need more than just paying per Church. They need more than Marcus Smart. They more than Peyton Pritchard, you know, Jeff to you're going to need a lot more Robin Williams do well with Sophia. Let's talk about Roberts cable your turmoil Robert we can come home. We'll put a pin in Teague, but boy did I think he was going to be it after the first game that was what we needed and then all of a sudden, you know, his shots to start falling down and and maybe he's pressing a little too much so but let's talk about Williams because one of the concerns and knocks on Williams has been the effort and I think Mike and and scowl got into this quite a bit during the broadcast. And scale gave lots of credit where it was due for Robert just in the way that he started this season. You don't see that lackadaisical nature. And another thing he got beat a couple times, but you are seeing Robert keep his feet planted a little bit more. Once they get once they get back to the basket. The athleticism doesn't do anything. He's got a hold ground. He's got to keep his hands straight up not out over the defender. So he's starting to do that. And if he and and you want to talk about chemistry the same way, I see that chemistry emerging between Peyton and smart. I see it also emerging between Thompson and Williams and I know we talked a lot about maybe it's Al Horford. Maybe it's this guy. Maybe it's that guy but you always got a wonder if Thompson's just you know, Bulldog mentality similar to Smart's is exactly what Robert Williams needed, you know around him, you know as long Role model to really pull that out. Now. He's going to be way different than Thompson. But but if he can bring the same kind of attitude and those two just rooting for each other that could be another phone nice, you know, maybe not pairing on the floor at the same time, but definitely a nice mentor-mentee relationship might be have might have some serious. I mean we were thinking Robert was kind of on the line this year, right? So hopefully he's feeling that even though they are going to extend him. I mean, I think yeah. Well, you know, that's just the fourth year, but he the thing with the thing that with Rob is that he has put himself in a position now where you know, the sonics really baigan Thompson and tice they're really saying we we it's important to us as a team that Robert Williams gets minutes, which the service clearly decided to play better when they have one dog. Big on board a lot of time and so that that brings up another question the other point, but we'll talk about that maybe in a bit. But to me like the way Rob has played in these two games Indiana, but but but even you know, you know earlier, I think that he has earned more time, you know, as you said that you know effort is an issue wage, I think to me the bigger issue is just staying home, you know the game the first game against my is Indiana, you know, they're the number of instances where he made mistakes mistakes that should have pulled him from the A game A year ago two years ago for sure. Brad stuck with him and he was rewarded, you know, and and really an outstanding effort from from Rob in that game and I thought that continued into the night. I thought I really thought his you know, almost eleven minutes were not enough frankly. I mean ties to have twice as many minutes. You know, I'd say Rob Williams said life is good performances Daniel theis theis is not to me has really had a rough going here in these first four games and and you really need to think about You know, whether what his long-term future is if if Rob stepping up but Robbins to do this consistently, so, you know we go into Memphis tomorrow. It's a team with a very often lineups and and and Jonas Valanciunas and that's a different challenge for him. But if he can start to do this consistently and he can carve out consistently providing the team 15 to 20 minutes of good basketball a night. Then the souls can feel comfortable and trading Daniel theis and they can feel good about their their future with Robert Wong baby is is brighter because you're right. They they were at a point where it's fish or cut bait season with Rob Williams, cuz otherwise, I think you you try to move in this summer for sure. I love Thompson wage. I mean, I I realize that there was a couple of times where he turned into a black hole trying to make something happen, you know when he had two Defenders on him, but earlier in the game in the second month. Up tonight against Indiana it worked out for him and he was able to get to the line and I believe he had an and one and and it I don't want to rely on it too much because I think there's so much opportunity off with the potential shooting that could he could be out on the floor with especially as the lineups gets smaller and it's not Tice for him to kick that back out in the ball to get swung and really lead to some open shots cuz he's a threat down there and every once awhile he's going to have to you know, impose his will and and try to get that foul just so that the opponent knows it's there instead of just bullying wage boards, but it's made a difference on giving up second-chance opportunities. I want to say they were tons of them against the Nets. But otherwise it maybe even a decent amount off against Milwaukee but against Indiana who still pretty long I don't feel like they got tons of second-chance opportunities and that was kind of the thing that made me want to kill myself watching this team last name. You talk about theis it's just at this point. I think we just have to chalk it up. He's not ever going to get respect from the officials. They're going to treat him like crap and that's what makes him a liability not because I'm not a good player. He's actually a really strong player in a lot of ways and even the athleticism him getting up there to go for donks. Now that he's at that power forward instead of the center position. Like I actually see growth entice but he's never going to get the officials respect at this point. And without it. He really can't be as effective as he needs to be you might as well go if he's going to end up being the guy off the bench behind Thompson then wage as well just develop Williams and do something completely different. Yeah, and I I love Daniel theis he has done such great things. He had a really good regular-season in Boston, and he did not have a great postseason in my opinion he had moments, but but regularly it was not a a stellar effort in the postseason for him. You know, he has done his job. Well over perform that contract and you know as as somebody who is a piece of this roster is a five million dollar player. He's fine. I mean he you know, he's he's a great the problem. I think the problem for Daniel theis or the problem for the Celtics roster. Is there just don't Aren't Enough good players, you know, you've got three of your maybe eight best fighters are our Senators, that's not great, you know, so you're forced to play ties and and you know, would you rather have someone who's much over a powerful word wage, you know Pro typical power forward or even just a general Wing you don't have you know, Tamara the four and browse the two or three or whatever that would be a better lineup. I think I think clearly the offense looks like a bit of a clogged toilet at my times. So if they could find a way to play one big if they could play one big, that'd be cool. I thought even the the minutes with the when Grant was in there with theis and actually looked a little bit better until things kind of went out sideways when you know Grant wage is just he's he's really struggling right now. I show angry tonight. So angry. Yeah, you know, he started to look a little bit like big baby to me sometimes so yeah for me if I got it that that's not necessarily not another German. No. No, not for me. All right. Well, let's let's say you're swinging some of this criticism Brad Stevens way, but first are we ready for some football? That's right college football heads into bowl season and there are some big matchups this weekend's NFL regular season is finishing up with the playoff picture becoming clear and there's only one place that has you covered and one place. We trust betonline.ag sign up to age. For a free account at betonline.ag and used a promo code seal an S. 54 you're 50% Welcome bonus. All right. So games of the week college football current deadlines and sports. You got it all we're going to talk about it and he you up to go over to betonline.ag. So don't sit on the sidelines anymore. Get in on the action. Don't forget use that promo code Ceylon s52 receive a 50% Welcome bonus with your first deposit that online your online Sportsbook experts. Wilt yeah, so well do it's just I figured you would just take what you said. Okay. So looks like he's going to take them right to bring yeah. I mean look, I mean, I think that the issue right now and I'm going to able to do the I'm going to give the pro side. I'm going to go the of the the con side. The pro side is off. This roster is It's rough. You know, I mean once you get past Marcus Smart, okay, then you talk about Tatum already talking about I supposed to talk about Tristan Thompson. Okay. Now your next level players are either Jeff Teague who maybe doesn't have any buckets left in him if Robin Williams is like You know probably just as we talked about paying Pritchard has never played, you know, Grant who should be better, but seemingly has it. I mean, it's just a lot of question marks off. And so I'll give I'll give Brad some credit and that there's not a lot of clarity there and it's so it's it's difficult to put together a rotations and players that are on the court off right now. I'm going to go to the con side the con side. Is this the spots them Celtics are not going to go very far unless they don't do unless there unless they're able to develop off. The players are currently on the roster. Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown can play great basketball can be stars in the making all stars to be we can have Kemba Walker, you know come back and have a healthy knee. You know Thompson can be fine. And and who knows Tyson? Sure Marcus Smart can be defensive player of the year. All those things can happen. But if if the bench the after when you get to the timer Thompson line, if the if the bench is right where it is, come may come April it's not going to matter. It's not going to matter cuz those off to play 48 minutes a night. It's that's really going to be like the eighties. So this is going to be this time right now. I'm not I'm not going to lose my mind about wins or losses. What I'm going to lose my mind out wage is if Brad can't find a way to get confidence either himself or for the players in themselves. Over this first six weeks of this season, then we're in real trouble. And so why we don't see Aaron Nesmith when the team doesn't seem to show purpose or can't seem to school or why Grant Williams. I think he's had more minutes, but why probably and his half as many minutes Daniel theis when he's cool with playing better than him, you know, those are the things that are just those those are the issues and I see Peyton Pritchard just kind of the the outlier to this he's played well and he's got an opportunity. And so maybe that's the pathway those guys need to follow but I gotta tell you when I'm look at that clogged toilet offense there on the third quarter I'm saying I didn't shooting out there. I need a guy who can fill it up. Where can I find? Oh, yeah. I've got something a bench who shot 52% from the field last year in college. So I just this is an opportunity and to roll out semi ojeleye wage. To help Jeff Teague. Javonte had some good minutes out there tonight. I would stick with him. I thought he showed energy, you know, I'm not going to complain when it's going off. But when it's not going well when somebody doesn't have a great first half then give somebody else a different somebody else a try and the fact that Eric needs spent four games in still has not really played a minute of anger in this season is is to me crazy, but you know, look time's a-ticking, you know, we're four games in and we're no closer closer to seeing if I can play and and they needed to know if he can play for me in April and and why we why wait, I just don't understand. I understand that. They haven't had time to talk to do the summer league and do all the things that they're prepared for. But if we're going to lose games if this is a trial period for this team and I believe it is then you you throw everything to the windy try to develop those young players. I think that's the only way you can do it. I don't think you can worry about your seeding. I think you worry about trying to get not only to get the best players but to get trade value so that way you can turn these players into each other players who who are veterans who you can play and overuse, you know, so that's my frustration with Brad right now. I don't feel like he's I feel like he's still holds it against Buffy's when they make mistakes. I think he gives too much credit to his old hand guys that he's had around and and I'd like to I'd like to see him, you know play the kids. So that's my that's my that's my beef off. So you're basically equating him to Doc now. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely and to that point and we we talked about this a long time, you know, and it was something to see both had talked about how Danny and and and dark kind of friction not a lot of friction but a little bit of friction of Danny wants to see the young kids play God wants to win and this is this is the contract between GM inquiry and coaching because you know, it's just they're looking sometimes they're coming. They're from two very different perspectives, but Brownies to take a little bit more of a of a GM and look at this to try to develop this in the Long Haul and not try to pull out every you know, last second situation. But here's the thing off is what's interesting. Do you think that the reason that Pritchard got all these minutes is because he plays a position of need and he did four years in school. And that's the how you would compare and contrast him to Nesmith because I don't that's the thing that's kind of mystifying like I hear what you're saying. That's why I think you know, Rob Williams needs more time really is playing the kids cuz they're all kids. Right if you really think about it. They're all still kids. This is a super young team, especially with Kimba being you know out who's there oldest guy Thompson Tyson smart, is that their oldest three with Kemba out. Yeah, I think that's I think that's true. I mean, this is a real. Yeah, right. He's mid-twenties, right? This is just an incredibly young team to begin with so I do hear what you're saying. But I almost say you have to reframe it to the newer guys who mean that you could say the young guys on this roster anymore. You gotta be like birth play the door guys. Let's see what we've got when you're when you're rotations look bad or how about when nobody can hit an outside shot go with a guy you drafted for shooting either way. That's a good criticism. Even if it's just a spot criticism for one game. It doesn't even have to be a long-term criticism. You have a team that's you know, this has changed but the case every night but it but it definitely was and that first Indiana game feel like it was pretty pretty rough actually during a lot of the stretches of the game against, Georgia. Milwaukee but that you know, that's the home opener. You don't really know yet. But when you don't have when you're missing outside shots, regularly, you're shooting percentage is low why. Use a guy you drafted for shooting to see what he's got. That's that's that's the whole thing right there. Yeah, I mean right now and I'm not saying that this is the thing but if if the choice is between Jeff Teague, let's say okay and and an errand these math which I don't think that's the right now. So you shouldn't 27% from the field after pretty hot shooting first game against Milwaukee, you know, he's gained the line. Yes, that's happening. You know what he's he's dead and he's just steals. I mean, I'm not saying he's a complete loss. But like I just the team needs shooting it needs. Wing player the team has no Wing players. I mean unless you count Javonte green or semi ojeleye. There are no Wing players who are part of this rotation off. So why not see what he can do. I mean there are shortcomings that you're if you're accepting by having those guys in Javonte. There's not a shooter. You know, he hit a Three Dog Night missed two others. That's okay 33% I'll take that from him. Show me. Yeah, it's offenses. Yeah anyway, so I just if you've been chilay lineups, why not add some shooting, you know grounds and made them are such great Defenders and Page the smarts on the floor. They can erase some of the some of the mistakes that these spent comes up with. Yeah. So I think a lot of it also has to do with the teams that they matched up against Iraq. And would definitely need to see a change in that starting lineup. It can't be Tyson Thompson any more we talked about it. That was one of those I flew out there like hey, you know, what are the odds that ties plays out there with Thompson. I thought it was low odds turns out that's been the starting lineup through four games and it really runs counter to anything that we've seen from Iraq has always been much more likely to go small. So this seems out of character for him, but then when you look at the teams that they played against the size of those teams look at Indiana, they play with two big church that one shoots threes and the other one passes, you know, almost as good as his dad did and yet both can still play someone inside and they have some good attacking guards. Like when you look at that, I think there's a reason that that's been the lineup. I think he's been afraid to give up size through the first four games, but look who's on Deck now is dead. Grizzlies going to have two games against the Pistons. I feel like they can give up size against Toronto. Then Miami might be another one where they're a little off Thompson ought to be able to like actually game. I can't wait. I mean I realized we're talking a week away now, but it's that Heat game with bam playing up against Tristan Thompson. I want to see how much a mitigated that issue with this offseason acquisition. I think that could be huge. So when you look at some of these I think they can go smaller and they think it will allow Brad to consider using you know, Nesmith Etc. The thing I will say for green and I realize you're not disparaging but he at least is knocking down his 3-pointers and then a player we did sneak the second game against Indiana. I don't even think a single minute was socially which was interesting because usually had a really great game in the first time I go around against Indiana, so it was kind of suck. Advising that a guy who stood out as maybe finally putting it together literally gets a dnp the next night out. So I have a feeling too that Brad is probably trying to transition through these Wing players to see what he has but he wants to give them each some continuity. So he probably went back to green a little bit. I think Nesmith is going to get some minutes coming up here in the next few games. There's I think he I think no I think Brad probably have a strategy for going through them. But the more he goes mix and match the less chemistry that he can get developed on, you know, a roster that hasn't had any time together is already impacted by Kemba being out and had a very unique set of matchups through the first four games going to force him out of his comfort zone to begin with and reduce the minutes available for some of those wings. Sense, yes, but it does it does until it's not what happens over the next five or six games. That's what I'm saying. If this continues, you know off the Detroits and then on to Indiana and Miami and they stay bit cuz we know we know that chemist not going to be back for any of those. So if it continues through that stretch, I think you have a serious beef and one that's been fully legitimised at that. I mean look we've seen Brad how bribe coaches this team. I mean the thing off, I mean you're right, but the thing is is that The way that Brad has coached this team forever really has been a Reliance on that over over young players. I mean wage but that's just been what it took to get terrorists. You're on the court what it took to get Robin Williams on the court what it took to get even Jaylen Brown on the court, you know, there was a lot of you and I and and and others have certainly been saying, you know, why aren't these guys playing he's been somebody who's been reticent to play Young Players, he wants them to prove prove that they can defend before they're on the court and and I don't I don't take issue with that. Usually what with the situation they find themselves in the start of this year with with a bench like it is now and and really I think a very clear expectation as to what the future of this franchise is. It's entirely dependent upon Brown and Tatum wage. As entirely dependent upon what they can build around browsing Tatum so billed for it. Now, you know, I don't maybe it gets some, you know, get a few wins and you're able to to go from the 5c door to the four-seat or whatever, but truthfully. It's none of that's going to matter. If you know Erin nice V can't hit threes at a decent clip, you know, it's not going to it's going to matter of Peyton Pritchard is enabled to hold his own against Goran dragic some degree, you know, or or Rob Williams can can try to hold submit his down when bamboo so, you know, those are the things that the team I look at in the future and and I think you're right. I mean there could there's a lot of you look at what's coming ahead for the Celtics. They gave Mister games against Indiana which are two very big Focus teams. Milwaukee's a big team Detroit certainly plays big and then things do change and Thursday. To how the you know the the the schedule favors things, but I just I look at the history of how Brad is run things and it's I would just have hoped that the team was focused little bit more on that future peace than it is now. So let's hope it's that shipped dependent and we're going to see a little bit more here in these Smith and a little less Chevy ho Jala a little less sometimes, you know and maybe even a little less, you know, Daniel theis. I mean, I'm thinking I think to me when I do this, you can go last ice age. You can go to more Wings cuz the balls not moving. Yeah there and he's and the other issue for thys not only is he not getting calls? He's not hidden history as he hit his first two thousand against Milwaukee hasn't it? One sense? He's not spacing the floor. We already know Thompson doesn't it's too congested. It allows them to double on Tatum out on the perimeter. It's coughing. Pay them tons of problems, which is a criticism for fate of actually probably adjusted. Well, you know in the second half and definitely worth score against Indiana, but Jesus that took way too long for him to to figure out and the rest of the team for that matter just he shouldn't be bringing the ball up when they are moving the ball because the Trap works and it works immediately and it's it's just they're losing so much time on the shot clock. So I loved the way Peyton Pritchard actually set him up. It just all they need to do is get paid him the ball a little bit on the move and he does that nice sidestep and he has all that space that he gets with a side step slash step-back fadeaway and then he's knocking those down and it's right in The Sweet Spot. It's just when he's trying to create that off somebody else's screen and off the dribble and they're already thrown a double way high beyond the three-point Arc anonim. It's just it's so congested dude, it's Jose. Gossiping so they do they need to go more switchable. Now the last topic I want to hit and we only maybe got five or so minutes here. But the last like I want to hit relates to a couple of tweets that you sent down in the conversation that's been kind of going on in weird Celtics Twitter for a little while at least a week or so is the potential acquisition of somebody like Aaron Gordon who you know, the exact weeks that I've seen from you and variations thereof. Go something along the lines of Aaron Gordon fancies himself a number one scorer on a team and see if you would accept this role. He could be successful somewhere else potentially with the Celtics and you like the fit in the lineup, but then also that you think Aaron Gordon's price tag by not having that high maybe one solid young player and a future pick might be able to pry him free from Orlando and I love his fit. I like being able to do something. Where you move Tatum and brown back to the two and the three something I've talked about quite a lot, but they could also go small and he could be your small-ball Center and you could still put a Joe Prichard in a smart in the back court or when Kemba comes back. Maybe you use Peyton and smart as the two guards Off the Bench, you know and found and then paid fits in where he fits maybe maybe that actually starts to cause some problems for you and you do go more small ball. But either way it would give them that same flexibility in switch ability wage concern maybe less. I know everybody wants to talk about the potential hard and trade which I think is just never going to happen and don't want it to happen. So I don't even want to spend any time on it. It's everywhere else has been worked from every angle. It's a dried-up. It's a freaking raisin for our show, but they're Gordon piece is not a raise and it's a grape. It's a juicy grape where wage Can talk about you know, what that might look what that might look like. And so do you do you think that his desire to be a number one option is predicated on where he's at the TVs on and the role that he wants to play there or do you think that that's going to play out over his career and make it difficult for him to mesh with a team like Boston. Yeah, so well, okay. Let me the thing that I would say about about about Gordon off. Yeah. I'm concerned that that Aaron Gordon would be somebody who still fancies himself as a number one scorer who who thinks of his role as somebody who's who's much more of a of a Creator as somebody who creates his own offense who's a wing who's going out there and get He can't be that he can be Shawn Marion. He can be you know, PJ Tucker. He can be somebody who makes the other pieces fit. I mean she has been somebody who I think does see the game quite well who has incredible incredible physical DS and in really can be the type of wage who can who could become a a really good Defender someone who you could put on, you know, bigger forwards and and then the law allow them and brown to to not have to guard those guys. I think what we've seen as they miss somebody who switchable I think that's clear as day and there's a lot of people who say, you know, Evan Fournier and and Terrence Ross and I think that those guys they would fix the scoring issues for sure, but I worry more about the defense this point. Yep. I really that's the bear concern for me. I think if they can get 15 to 16 17 points out of Aaron Gordon attacking the rim, I think that they can more than make it up elsewhere. Again. This is the tpe. We're not talking about the third star here. We're talking about a player that you can get with very for very little cost additionally maybe a draft pick maybe a young player maybe a draft click and a young player to paying for who it is. I don't think you're talking about a lot and it's talking about now having said that Orlando is going to be left up to the league. So they may not be luckily, you know likely to move on things are going to turn South quickly for Orlando and they still might but I just I don't think that I like wage going on with with I think he's a good fit. I think he's a good fit next to Brown and Tatum what I like him to be a three point shooter. Yeah, I would but you know, you can't get everything for basically given a choice. Next to nothing. So that's the choice is a choice to a particular issue was just going to say that I can make it an issue when you're looking at developing somebody like Rob Williams wage or taking advantage of a acquisition like Tristan Thompson. Is that going to really can he Ben Simmons enough so that that works or do you think looking at kind of what we've already seen? I realize this way better than teice but looking at the congestion issues with Tyson Thompson judge that really exacerbate that. I think it does exacerbate that but you're not if you're not playing them both at the same time. It's not as big of an issue. I mean look, I mean you play smart out there and that she can make people pay is he is he the deadite shooter? No, but you know, look you're looking at a period where you're mixing and matching. Anyway, I mean to me in these Smith is somebody may want to have on the court you want to get somebody but you know, there are times when Miami's not closing with with Duncan Robinson. He's the best shooter in the League last year so long, you know, there's times when you need that there's times you play Jay Crowder this times you play, you know, Derrick Jones jr. I mean, we saw that that Miami series you need a lot of bodies in a lot of different skill sets. You can throw out of the situation I think but your default is to find a lot of guys who can do a lot of things other times, maybe Kemba sits and and smarts at the at the one, you know, sure. Yeah, and you know you have Nesmith as the shooter and there's other times. I mean, I think that that was the mod the modularity of that Miami team to me was almost perfection in terms of a plug-and-play you plug and play we know that Tatum abroad we got two seats of that that are completely locked solid, you know, you're going to have good or bad offense or defense. Those jobs are going to be in there the questions. Can you find the other pieces to fit around? I'm smart if it's a lot of them Kettle if it's a lot of them, you know a Tristan Thompson if it's a lot of them to me, they need one month guy who's flexible and switchable and defendable, you know who can defend a lot of different positions. That's what made the Celtics so tough to be as a team. And I think that that's what they could add to me for very little cost and still potentially now, here's the other end of it on a 2-year contract. If you do if you do get someone who is playing wage, You can then flip that person for a brad Beal or for you know, whoever the next star to come out is so, you know, it's not like you got a hold on to it means okay. Now you've got that asset to Target something else is Evan Fournier. Again, you have to re-sign Evan Fournier is is is Terrence Ross going to get you excited know. So to me, I think it's if the cost is reasonable and this is all hypothetical if the cost is reasonable then then yeah, that's Gordon to me would be the ideal candidate. But you know it keep going to feed it that that's just going to say a pretty fast. Well, so we'll we'll end on this the standings are all up in the air any way for everybody that's upset that Boston's to and tutor on Thursday is showing three Milwaukee. I just wanted to Miami is is one on one. They must be playing a game tonight and it's not done yet, but they're one and one and then the top of the page. Settings you have Orlando and Atlanta at 3 and no now Indiana Philly three and one not so much of a surprise, but even Brooklyn that came in his fire in their first two games is not too into Miami's wanted one but they just lost the Milwaukee 144 297. So they're wanted to do and mailboxes do it too. Is that what you're telling me that wanted to? Yeah, so that's but you know, that's that's a big hurt. So, you know, I everybody thinks well enter everything is three in one. Yeah, so it's just so awful early. It speaks to the shortened training camp. I think you have to have a certain level of patience with this club. And and I know we didn't talk about this and we can save this for for the next show off. But Kemba Walker Walker walk. It's funny. I don't know why I can't say Walker these days, but I've already messed that up once and my son has been teasing me. All this Christmas break because I said it always like a Frenchman. So he now every time every time we watch the Celtics, he goes Kemba Walker because I can't say it right for some reason, you know what is going on. But but anyway the for everybody was frustrated with, you know, Cambodian out and the prospects of him missing a great deal of time and not the Gordon Hayward PTSD issues that may be coming along and being recently biased attached to Kem has issues with the knee much better to make sure Kev is a hundred percent of the postseason at this point. I don't give a crap if he doesn't play until the very end of this season as long as they're in playoff contention and he is right in the postseason. So all of that we discussed and that's going to do it for this week's show but as a reminder, you can support Celtic stuff live by subscribing on iTunes Stitcher Google Play and Spotify. We'd certainly appreciate a birth In a review your feedback is important to show and for John Duke and myself. Thanks for listening to this week's episode was Celtics stuff live.

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620 : The Orlando Screw Job

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620 : The Orlando Screw Job

"Life can be used to sell tickets. Lot with your host Justin Bieber John Dumas. Welcome to Southern stuff live on the ceiling that's media Network the leading online provider for audio and video coverage of the Boston Celtics in my head is about to explode. This is not going to be a positive show. You are not going to enjoy listening to this in the morning. If you just finished your freaking yoga, it's not going to be cool. It isn't cool. It is a shitshow get ready John Choi. Warm it up baby. This is right out of this is this tasty back to postgame podcast apps against, you know, Cleveland Cavaliers against damaging, you know, this is the Lakers series. This was right out of Central Casting and I love the intro that you had man because that was totally like a a Montreal screwjob of games that was a game where there was every possible opportunity that those at the home office in Secaucus New Jersey could call in and try to give whatever chances they could to the trial rappers to pull that game out. I really like to you know what I like about bringing a joke. It was a total joke and here's what I like about Brad in the in the officials. This is how you know, they're in for it. You know what I mean like that there's an agenda for a game seven number One never mind the fact that you're honest is injured and dead. Isn't going to contribute to that Syria was series was over. Anyway, if that dude was healthy, they would have found a way to push that a few more games for sure. As soon as he was dead is like let's not call attention to that. Let's build this other opportunity to go seven and you know, the only game that the officials have not influenced in keeping Toronto in it, you know real was gained for others came out hanging their heads a little bit didn't play with that same energy, but they dominated those first two games and not because the officials let the Celtics get to the line. If you're really watching closely to Rana was playing shit defense 60% of the time absolute shit defense and when a team plays defense that poorly they should never be games like this and I'm not saying oh they didn't make big shots. Yeah. They still made big shots when I'm saying is it's manufactured because the Celtics have played pretty much locked down defense wage. Set up for game for most of this series for a good thirty eight of the 48 minutes per game. But Toronto is breaking down constantly and the Celtics are hitting is open shots. But when Toronto is falling out, then all of a sudden the game slows down the fouls come up the only real gripe I have in this game six against the Celtics is that they should have forced the issue inside and that third-quarter way sooner and just sitting there screaming at the T. And I'm like you have to make an issue of this with the officials right now. If you could shooting outside shots, it's not going to go where you need it to go. You've got to put the pressure on the Raptors inside and the defense and even when you look at the way that they played almost the entire overtime the way that they attacked and fed Tice and everything else. It totally exposed it, you know, there's only so many calls when they do the review page. The officials can get criticized on and your job in when it's starting to hit the fan the way it was in the third quarter is to attack that and expose that shit as hard as you can and that's where that's the only mistake. I'm going to sell this the rest of the way man. They they are just given to run away too many opportunities and the way that regulation ended was disgusting disgusting. I mean I there are so many different situations, but I know a lot of people who do the podcast we do this without notes. I don't take notes. I just usually there's there's only a handful memorable moments really stand out. But how many different opportunities came up that just completely tilted the balance of the game whether you want to talk about Tatum's, you know, the Phantom technical call somehow you can get a technical and then just in the course of driving d'Alene. I don't understand that that was a foul for him as he was going to the basket no shots and walk around then you take tice's fouls where he was filed numerous times not far not hard not to lay off thousands, but certainly as hard as any other styles that I've seen during this game. No, the theis one's the two right along the the the sidelines, you know, the first one was Bogus the second one's Adnan call the way that they are non khong Toronto and you want to know how I know Toronto's planchette defense because they get to grab everybody on the perimeter. It's the only freaking way they can keep up with the Celtics is to get up there grab them and hook them with so many moving screens on the perimeter on offense. It's disgusting. I cannot believe and even that foul at the end that they didn't call and I don't want the game to end on a phone call. I just don't want them to allow Mark assault to go up to Marcus Smart and shove his ass like it's a wrestling freaking move into the ground if they're not dead if they're calling the ticky-tack shit the rest of the way it's it's ludicrous the way that Toronto is getting the opportunity to clutch and grab to make up for their crap ass defense a strong defensive team. They're just not playing strong defensively in this series and then they're getting away with the cheats and the shortcuts that make that not as noticeable. Yeah, no, it's no you're absolutely right. I mean the amount um clutching and grabbing the siakam was doing on Tatum the amount of you know, really all of them and and then you know, I'm glad you mentioned that Gasol thing because I think that's something that you know, the the broadcasters ready to move on. Oh my God, someone put Mark Jackson out to the glue factory and you can bring my brain with them those two. It was new city for me. I literally it's just it's horrendous and we're going to have to listen it. I know I've been complaining, you know, the fix is in here. It's so hot here Willy caulier. Yes, that's what I was just going to say the minimum. Toronto has a big shot. It's like, oh my God, finally, they hit a big shot because we've been waiting to get excited about going to Thursday 7 for like five minutes of shit basketball by Gerardo that's been killing me. And anybody who says oh, well, it's just the way he calls it. No, no. No he this is their job. Extreme difference in excitement. It's just it's there. It's it's like knocked Away by Tatum. But what an amazing play by Lowry, you know, everything is just Amplified and I don't care what anybody says like green is worthless. He is completely the worst broadcaster there is give our Jones. Give me Kevin Harlan. I won't forget me Brian Anderson, but Ian Eagle, I mean there was a a dozen guys. I'd rather hear all these games and Mark Jackson. That guy is horrendous. He's the worst he is the one that color guy in the n b i n b a i don't care if you're talking with Reggie Miller. I don't care if you talk about Chris Webber, he is the worst and he's on the top team get get get rid of it. It's terrible. It's terrible, but that that's just the point the point of this is the game in the game. Can I was a screw job. It was the Orlando screwjob. That's what it is. This is a WWE situation and I know people are the superpower turn off the pig. Gas right now and I don't really care. I'm mad. I'm angry I'm pissed this is ridiculous. The Celtics have been in it only bothers me because it's been going on game after game where they you know, and I'm all about the physicality. Don't get me wrong. I am all about the physicality like I get it but you can't call the ticky-tack physical shit on at Ison song these you know, and and look at okay the tires thrown put down the dice where he put through one down their hand on him as he's going to throws it in right he's done with his father as he dumped it no call no call not certainly more contact than Norm Powell had on his and one but you know, Tony Brothers is wrong put that that was going to happen that was premeditated murder premeditated. And he had that thing lined up from the moment that Norm got over half corn. I mean, it's it's it's crazy. The and look I'm not either Toronto was making shots. So to do a better job defensively so said too many turnovers in situations. Celtics didn't have enough offensive flow. I think they were not move in passing like they need to to try to take advantage of of the Toronto defense but I don't care there is no perfect game. You cannot throw a perfect basketball game. It's just doesn't happen. So the sit there and I've seen some people out there. There's host clns host whose go unnamed Adam Kaufman who is like, you know, the refs didn't blow this game. I always hear about the rest screw that man that's bull, you know danger car. Yeah. He dangerous part way out of character. When when he when he throw up the flag. I know something's up. The rest of them are just like Towing towing a company line on you know, the players play the game and and... Yep. But I'll be honest with you danger cart. I call them danger cap in my in my retelling. Yeah it out just cuz he likes cats. But anyway, he knows life. So the danger cat, you know as I will fondly refer to him. He's very much like every time I complain about the officials and then look over a danger cat and he's like the official did not cause the team this game. He's over the moon on how this one got ripped ripped from their hands and and I gotta tell you, you know, yeah, it does happen. We all know it happens. We've seen it. You know, Tim. He told us about it. It's there man. It's there. And in this case, it's been pretty egregious. You know, this should I'm not saying it definitely should have been a sweep, but even that game three that got stolen from and it's just like can wage. Keep Toronto in this and give them a puncher's chance and they can make buckets. They absolutely can make buckets. But this game I just don't I just don't see it off and and I do think there are certain things that Celtics probably could have done an adjusted on I mentioned my peeved third-quarter, but I also think that there would have just been another way to make sure that Toronto was in at the end and they want they needed to go seven, right? They need it to go seven. They do. Yeah, but one team was ready to make this done early, but they they couldn't afford the things that happen, you know. Meanwhile Miami sitting back resting, you know, Jimmy Butler's, you know, sprained wrist or whatever he did there at the end against the boxes is getting better off and meanwhile the Celtics just played two overtimes and grinding out two overtimes, you know, hey and Lowry quite healthy and and and look different deal right wage. Totally different deal, but but I was thinking in my mind. I'm like, this is bigger than basketball, etc. Etc. But you're given a chance to get healthy and a good hair off, you know, and you're right the same things happening with Miami, you know, because this has been falsely dragged out to seven games you're letting you know that team get healthy and rested after a fairly easy series for them to begin with like yeah Butler got the injury, but the series overall didn't ax them. They certainly didn't go into the double overtimes and seven games, you know, here's the drama. Here's the narrative. This is my prediction. I know usually save it for the end. I think the Celtics absolutely destroyed Toronto in game seven, you know you were you were setting this up as soon as you song who's going to be officiating this game. You're like parrot is, you know, Bring Em out Bring Out your dead like we know it's going to happen here, you know. Yep. And it's South Pole. And so but I'm telling you I bet that Gordon Hayward is approved it noon. They say he could play he's not in the starting lineup in with Marcus Smart's what near triple-double. He probably shouldn't get back into the starting lineup until Smart looks gross cuz he doesn't look he looks like the guy who was actually carrying them other than Jaylen Brown to victory in this series. And so I think he's got a spot in the starting lineup, especially if hayward's not knock the rust off and doesn't know how long ankle is but there's just this whole thing that could happen on Friday with Hayward coming in and you know, and then all of a sudden there's enough depth and and they and then I think the officials cool it down. I think they know who the better basketball team is and I don't think they necessarily want to have to do this through another round. What a great story it would be to home. Toronto be able to play the Clippers, right? So Kauai defects there in the finals all who could have found the Toronto would make money back. Oh, it's so amazing and then they play Kauai like great Nora and great narrative great storyline. They're not the better team in this series. They'll have to get some manufactured BS to get through Miami the way Miami is playing that's going to be a tough series for the Celtics as it is. I mean Miami's played the Celtic stuff all year. But if if they're going to if they're going to waltz, you know, Toronto all the way to the finals it's going to look pretty bad and then when they get there, they're just not going to be able to keep it up and the Clippers are going to just go bananas on him. That's what I think. Well, I don't know. I I'm not I'm not ready to go there after this one. I'm just I'm so amped up about game seven right now, but I can log And from what I'm going to do, I mean first of all 9:00 on Friday, like what the hell that about. That's weird. Okay, that's just the 9:00 start time for 4 a.m. For the game on Friday night. That's weird. I mean, I'm glad they have a little bit more time maybe to rest but like honestly, I I think benefits of seldon's actually have a shorter turnaround because Iraq has been playing a lot and when it's the whole the whole series so I think that cumulative rest is actually or the rest versus the the accumulative minutes I think is actually a benefit for Boston. But you know, I I I don't I just don't understand like I think in terms of offensive they've got a they've got to spend some time trying to figure out something to get going. I mean again if I'm with a camper going I mean, you know in the you know, whether they talk about game for example game six in both instances, you know can really suck. Doesn't shoot well, but doesn't shoot enough. I mean shoot for 11 tonight, you know, you know nine shots and game for you know, that's it is just be putting him up, you know and and yet he wasn't shooting a good percentage for that time. But you know, you gotta have that you had that clutch, you know step back and really I think got fouled out his one go to the basket too. But you know, but yeah, he'll clutch who was really clutch coming off the bench Graham Williams Williams was good too big minutes 3-pointers when they were flattening out that often thought. I was criticizing them for not going inside. You know that kept them in the game that was starting to slip away on them and and he's been pretty you know for a guy that how long did it take him his first 3-pointer like remember that conversations not even 12 stale the I remember his first twenty-five, right? Exactly. I remember the game when he finally made wage. Corbett is like all right, you know like everybody's like rooting for him but in the postseason like I don't know if we can find the stats but in the in the series against Philly and wage and and in this series against Toronto if you like, I think you shooting like 65% from three-point land and he's played in limited minutes. It's it's incredible. Yeah, it is. Yeah, what's that for a young guy in the postseason? Yeah, I mean, you know you use a -5 but I think that there's you know, I I really didn't think I said that good of a game had a great game five really didn't but he really came on that second overtime. I saw he had a I thought both overtimes really it was quite good not so much at the end of the game the end of regulation. I really wanted them to try to find a way to take advantage of him. It really seemed like until they started going up over the top when they kind of would he get matched up on a small guy in the pain, you know until they started doing that. They really weren't taking advantage of its like where is the where's the where's the you know the advantage I kept saying that where is the advantage where seek out the advantage but there's got to be one out there, They're switching everything eventually. You got a VIN bleed on a on Tatum. I don't know why he's actually in over the topic though. You know that you've got Tyson the post take advantage of him, you know Jaylan from the moment. He got that for Thursday. It threw off his entire game, you know and until now how was he was that you know, and it was you know, you could say what what it was a good or bad foul breath. You know, he he never really came out of that point is is Lowery swapped like six times after his fifth foul and never got booted, you know, and that's the kind of garbage and it's on June the force the issue once again, just so you know, though, I did look it up Grant Williams 6 for 10 from 3-point land in the postseason in nine games and 106 minutes played so he he's barely walk, you know, not quite twelve minutes per game and he's shooting 60% from Beyond The Arc and a lot of times he's in there and some minutes when they really need some offense, you know, I want to throw a little bit of positivity in there just so that I can see now this pisses me off the NBA this is there update that just came across on their app Lowry fade Celtics home. Smiley face sunglasses Kyle Lowry caps gutsy performance, like seriously, dude, like stop just stop right wage. No, it's the passive like sharing that drives me crazy. It's it's the my green stuff. It's the oh, yeah, isn't this great this team's doing well. It's like what the fact that about like a week hates young players, dude, the league treats him like garbage. I just I don't I I don't I don't agree with that. I think it depends upon who you are. I think some teams are are given that shine some armed if Luka did that you think they would do that to him. Oh no way. No way but some don't have that shine and and spouses are not they're not going to be getting they're not going to get those calls, you know, so yeah. I just I just can't believe you know, whatever that's wage. Does that passage stuff it's that stuff that yeah sure breeds that sharing for Toronto. He's not you know, he's not have a red, you know, we're in a friggin, you know red and purple tie rack or something or whatever. But like there there's passive cheering that happens. And that's exactly that sort of thing is is it something of itself know but you take all those things together and you would like what the hell is this? You know why we doing this, you know, and I don't know there's just weird people who handle some sort of things. I'm excited. I'm looking forward to game seven. I think as you said did the solo singer take care of it up until freaking to am watching it Jesus for real for real. I think it's going to be able to I seriously think the way that that game ended on the court and Marcus Smart like that gutsy performance and then he gets shoved to the ground. He's basically ready to start a fight get ready. They are like, I don't know how the officials are going to deal with. That's right, cuz they don't want to you know off. They don't influence the game and definitely not a game seven cuz so, you know, they're better be a decent amount of coaching from Brad in that locker room. Just go out there and punch these mofos in the office right in the mouth knock their teeth out. You know, like there's no way they can foul out the biggest players in a game seven. And all you have to do is wait and watch you know, the first quarter to see how how physical they they let them be and maybe you take it easy and play smooth. But then in the second half you just pour it on you just you just shove it down their throat. I'm ready for that and speak with someone whose throat I want to shove it down. Nick nurse has now become the most disliked even more than Kyle Lowry the most disliked Rap by far in my mind. And so here we go. This is this is Jaylen Brown on Nick nurse coming out of the Court grown man should be able to control themselves, especially the coaches and coaching staff wage. Nothing we can do we Discovery ready to fight that control. You know, Jim Packard nailed it. He is a Karen. All he does is whine and complain all the time. I think the shine is off the Nick nurse, you know rows upon himself approached spot dude, like whatever man it's like he is so bratty. Like I'm done with him, you know the idea that the league wants to Showcase him as one of the finest coaches, like look the guy who's been out coaching him. I believe that is again the other sideline Brian has out coached him in this series and I don't care if you throw eighteen different junk defense has at somebody that way when does Brad get code to the air wage? Like how many times I know? How many times has he got a team to the Eastern Conference Finals? That probably didn't even belong there and how many how many table Got more value. He's got young players that they say or two young, you know, and they are even talking about tonight. They're like, oh man this this young Celtics Club, you know, you get Jalen Brabus twenty-three and you know, Jayson Tatum is took me too and oh man, they've got a lot of playoff experience under their belts. You know, how many people consistently are in this spot and and I get it they've got, you know, Kemba Walker but seriously with Hayward injury injured and look at what they're doing, you know, they and they beat Philly but are there really any veterans on this club that you can say are like, you know reputation players who are getting what Kyle Lowry gets and carrying this team. No. No, you can't and and chemists went up a bunch of stinkers wage is not generating offense. He's a little bit of a liability on defense. So even with that veteran presence who's great in the locker room, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to disparage Kemba Walker when I go down this path. I'm just saying like dead. When does Brad get the recognition for being able to put something together with some young players who how many young players in the league Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown's age have been able to have this much playoff experience at this age and been able to hit big shots. We can go back two years when Jaylen Brown was Twenty-One and Tatum was a rookie at 20,000 and they went to the Eastern Conference Finals and Jaylen Brown basically carried them through the postseason and the fact that Jayson Tatum was becoming a budding star, you know was already on display two freaking years ago and this guy has not has not won he coaches there yet. And he does his magic in the conversation. That's the deal though. Right? Like he had his life time if people were paying attention to him when you know the Isaiah Thomas years and when they did well and now it's like well he's good. But now we look fine false with and it's like every young player right they suck. I type type type and there comes a point when you see that they're not like the perfect player that there ever was and then we tell them apart like that's pretty much like the whole Arc of every single plane, but they have to take it is but they haven't done it to Tatum yet, which is interesting because well listen. Yeah, but this year they have it will get this series right way, they could be beating Tatum up for not dominating like he did in the Philly series never mind the fact that like we talked about there being allowed to grab and clutch him and prevent him from really getting any off ball, you know, kind of momentum going. I mean the catch-and-shoot and what does he do? How many plays did he make? How about the one where Jaylen Brown who had a hot first half is cold shoots it from the corner basically is almost an air ball. They come back down the floor and Jaden has enough space for a Tatum 3. I'll say that looks it off anyway and shoots it back to birth. On in the exact same spot Brown hits that knocks that shot total faith in your buddy. I think smart got the next one and then Jalen sets up Tatum and it's one like in a way that they are bought into Brad's whole scheme and caring about each other. It will be a travesty if this gets taken away for whiny little bitch Nick nurse and and took a peek fucking Kyle Lowry. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. I think that they're the better team they've earned to move on and you know work not for a free shot and a complete screwjob again the Orlando screwjob p.m. You know, I think we're not for those those two factors. This series is over. We're already talked about Miami starting that series on on some day or whatever. You know, the the other thing is is Tatum. Jenna was 29149 south And I with two Steals and two blocks and yeah, he had two internal it's six turnovers, but he also nine assists so like 1 and 1/2. That's what I mean He adjusted and a lot of his points came in the overtime right without overtime. I don't know what he had at the end of regulation but it's certainly was I don't think it was in the twenties. You know, this is a pretty pedestrian effort by him. Well, I I don't know. I mean I probably had you know, you probably had fifty two shots or so, but that's still I mean to create I don't think he's I mean, he's it's me the series before tonight the average twenty two coins. So it's not like he's a bad. He just hasn't been dominant other guys have had to have been try to force them all out of his team's basically, you know, let others beat him and me a joke constant double and they have one player who took some immediately, but see that's the issue of the double if the first player who front some gets to grab him then when they bring the double it's always going to be affected. That's exactly right. So you're like a lot of overtime right? It's yep. Tomorrow see I can grab them clutches them, you know, it didn't work as well cuz they were kind of running this like flair there where you know kind of, you know, come back kind of slipped the screen off or slips his screen and good gets all the way and then creates a gap for for Kamala to kind of drive into and they did that number of different times and the overtime their second overtime. It worked worked real well for them, but you know, you're right. They're kind of that whole clutch and grab thing really, especially at the end of what regulation and the 4th fourth quarter. It just felt like home so frustrating be able to get rid of get away with the end at the end of double overtime. Kyle Lowry goes what up the middle basically and gets I think in and 1000 which really Paces them out, but at the end of regulation Kemba Walker drives up the middle definitely had significant contact and to no end and no call log. So let me ask you if you're an official and you don't want to influence the outcome of the game. Then why at the end of regulation are you not calling an obvious foul when the players did what they're supposed to do? Everybody knows at the end of regulation you take it to the rim, you always take it to the rim and they didn't call it which okay wage, but then at the end of double overtime, you do not put Kyle Lowry on the line bullshit, right? And what are we always want we want consistency? That's all we're asking for is consistency even situational assistance e just just add that even if it's situational consistency. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. I mean there's that's really the only way you can get there if you know, you know, no two circumstances going to be exactly the like but but that's right situational consistency. Okay. We're going to swallow the whistle here, you know, we're not going to call log. Everything. Okay. All right, I get all that and yet, you know, we're you get to the other end and like Norm towels again, I go back to that that and one on smart and was there contact with us? You know, that's absolutely true Norms. The first one that made contact with smart who is who is square and in legal guardian position, you know now you want to say okay in the there was a follow through Thurs other contacts sure but to throw the and one on it, like that's just insult to injury, you know, and and so yeah, they got the steel paid him shouldn't have tried to dribble through with all those hands and arms kind of in the middle. There's that's just pull up man. Just pull up and save the shot. But regardless, all right, here we go from yeah from Chad Finn. I know call on Campus Drive is the one I'm pissed about did he even go to the line at all tonight, which is exactly the issue and then a reply. Hold on. Oh great the covid-19. Reply to that Johnson grew says clearly Tice fouled on the dunk in regulation. Kemba gets drilled Van Vleet kicks out. This is that one I wanted to bring up to and I forgot about Van Vleet kicks out his leg and lands on smart. So there's a foul on Smart leading to a six-point play bow was the most ridiculous. He like look I get it. You can't be in the air space and I've seen that actually I feel like that gets called pretty consistently. I've been okay with the air space and I'm definitely concerned bout the angles coming down on that play. I'm all about it. But smart I'm sorry, if you lean into the if you dive into the defender and then kick your lower half hour, I mean, what do you get do you are we is the defender because you're an absolute idiot. Do they have to give you eight to twelve inches of space like a game? It wasn't like he got up under his foot. You know what I mean? He didn't and and smart didn't leap out at the offensive player up in the air but leapt towards the player off then come down under their leg, you know, as a matter of fact, I don't even think smart jumped really, you know as much as slid into the position and would nonsense off. Yeah. No absolutely that noise. I really feel like that's the that's the play that tilted the whole game, you know that and that's why when people say, oh the officials calls don't matter that's complete and utter nonsense because there are things that happen to have tentacles that go well beyond that one plane. Yeah, you should be mentally should get through it. But these things start making people feel good and get off senses rolling and that was a situation the Celtics were up, you know, and and they had a solid lead and then from that moment on the settings for Tracy or chasing the game the whole way until they got home. Right at the end of regulation do tire. They need to find, you know need to like nerves. I never even saw this. He's on the board in the corner on the yeah. He's on the cord and the corner off Tatum's cuz how many times did Tatum this is the other thing that drove me nuts tonight, but this play is different than what I'm about to complain about. But yeah, it's really weird. It's basically Tatum throws him a pass and he is literally on the on the floor near theis like he's gotta get fine for that. They can't let them go. That's inappropriate is all hell especially. Oh my God, he better get it big time. But how many times did the Celtics go into the paint and then all of a sudden you hear the announcers, you know, I don't know if it was Jeff Breen, whoever maybe it's a combination. How many times did they go? Oh and Jayson Tatum or oh and Jaylen Brown drives into the pain and then oh an errand pass an errand pass. Yep. You know what that's called. It's called a foul if they hit him on the arm and they're not calling it. They're not just throwing the ball, you know randomly to nobody and missing the past. Like how many times did they get hit on the arm driving into the lane like that, you know and they're trying to make that that I mean maybe the lesson is that they need to go stronger, you know, but they would they would go in they'd be like a threat from players and everybody would take a swipe and they wouldn't call anything and then be like, oh look at that are pass, huh? I don't know why he would do that was very very long. I just want to go back real quick to that that the Van Vleet play and all that. Right? So you're right. I think it has been consistently. It has been consistently called. But but if you're changing where you're gaining area is I think that needs to be looked at. I think the other piece of it is that every time that the the Raptors got a got a call they did capitalize on us some credit to them, you know wage. Taking that and then doubling the the impact no doubt. But like it's the catalyst is the call, right? The catalyst is what they've done to cause that situation. It's more power. Yeah at the free-throw after you know, the nonsense, you know after the Tice, you know, so nice, you know, they got the tail, you know, some days off some days you wake up and it just feels like it's your day and nothing can go wrong and you might even say the stupidest shit and because things are going your way. It just keeps going your way and I feel like when the calls are just going your way things just seem to be going your way. Then I'm just saying like if if the game feels easier that they can't fall out of the game. Then it makes it easier for them to hit the big shots. Right like well, so here's it feels like it's in the flow of the game and not you know, like they don't look there isn't anybody on the Raptors obviously by the Box language that's coming from Kyle Lowry and Nick nurse and others. There's nothing that's happening in that, you know, none of them feel like the officiating is was even in their life saver. Anyway, because juries started remember the series started with their with Nick nurse complaining about data going to the foul line and after that point in time how many how many free throws? Is it a shot? You know, I mean that how many times is that? You know, and so now he's got his way out of this so he's not getting technical. He's not getting suspended. We know that for game seven. He you know, yep. Is Frozen the ball basically on that other play, you know, and and you know, and then you get situations where he's begging and pleading for that call on on Smart while while they go over to the monitor page after that every single time. I guarantee this part of the reason the Celtics did not close out of hard on all Shooters. Not just the threes but all Shooters really the rest of that game is because they had their minds off the fact that smart got that flagrant. I swear that's that's I I am watching those Closeouts they went half ass on those and I can't blame them. They gave up six points off of basically One play, you know, so yeah, there's a penalty there to for playing the right way. It's crazy. But that's that was the game that those officials called. You know, I just I don't understand it. I don't it's it's truly. You know, it's when you feel like you do have to play 5 on 8. We should call this. It's only going to get uglier. We should we should I know but I think we should spare everybody anything that happens at this point on and off. You've got another topic because we're basically We just started getting more angry. They were just getting escalated. Well, I think Nick nurse is deserving of a lot of hate and discontent. I hope everyone can can tame that towards him cuz you know, he's been the same did figure for the last 12 months and I'm kind of over the Nick nurse experience. So let's take this these next two days tell of the world how much Nick nurse is an overrated jackass. He's a Karen and we we really don't want to hear any more from him find his ass get him sitting on a bench and not hear another word probably and then let's go out and kick her ass on Friday night at 9. That's what I want to do. Just call it even just call if all things can even the Celtics win this series off bottom line all things being even I think everybody knows the Celtics are the are the better team. I don't think I don't think it would have played out the way that it did. I mean real wage. You know chemist chemist should be on the line. That's all there is to it. He went into regulation. They went to the player with the reputation and that should have been free throw Nation onto onto Miami. That's how that should have gone. So that's right. I think I think they'll I think they'll they'll write it you just wage, you know, there's there's a balancing act now, you know, this this next game will technically be the whole home game for the Celtics, right? They took oh no, no those your way and that's right the first to walk away and they won. So either way. Yeah. I still like it just reminds me of the Atlanta Series in 08 We're a first-rounder. Yeah, there was always Shenanigans always Shenanigans in the losses. There was always something weird that shouldn't happen that ended up happening and I was it were so pissed off because it's almost four clearly the better team but they just for weird shit happened and those in games three four and six and it pushed out to save games. Everyone's like walking consultants for what they needed. You know, we talked about well, Adelphia battle testing this team, but the thing is if they do get through and you know, we'll be back hopefully to do another pod before the Milwaukee series. I mean the Miami series if we if we do move on on Friday night, but you know, the truth is is that's going to be a gunslinger. You know, they had the first ones the Bruiser and then this is the Battle of two defenses, but perimeter oriented teams, you know offensively and then the next one's job. Be kind of run-and-gun, right? So a lot of different styles if they get through this game seven with a win and go on to face Miami. Yeah, the Raptors don't deserve it. They just don't and so League office if you're listening and you're writing the script with Pat Patterson and and Vince McMahon for a game seven thirteen and they're going to get more balls and remember remember who it is who counts in your Nielsen ratings. It isn't hands of the Raptors is Boston Celtics fans. So if you want something that's going seven. Why do you think they know we're all going to lose our mind. Nothing's better for Ratings right now than what's happening. Nothing. Look at us. Look at us off dropped. I think your first F bomb on any of these episodes in like what fifteen years? Well, I would imagine after a few of those cabs or heating he games. I I must have a job. I must accept this I mean game to the whole game to thing and 12. I mean that that's its own special level. But this is the first time since 2012. I bought this upset about officiating in the way. It was called. So it would seem that we would have to go through this to have to face the Miami Heat again. So it's definitely off the first pod that you know has been kicked off with the w WWE or monster truck voice. Yeah. That was great. That was awesome. Let's not do any get another eight years. Let's yeah, let's take a break on that. Let's just use the Celtics being awesome and having two outstanding wings and Marcus wage being absolute winning plays God and Kemba being completely filthy guy with a ball throw one other thing. All right, let's do that. Let's wrap on this too when they were all dead. Going up and I can't remember if it was that. Oh overtime when Tatum was just bouncing up and down with a big smile on his face. He's not sweating it dude, and he's had a rough series. I think he's done it but he hasn't taken over the way what I was so happy to see that cuz Jalen was clearly ready to rip somebody's head off and so it was smart and Kemba was trying to give him the inspirational speech. And Jason was just so down hill and that's going to be that's the yin and the Yang that we've talked about with Tatum and brown for the future. It's beautiful. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think that's yeah, that's absolutely true. I mean it was it was there and that that was that way the a p i loved that I want to see those those five guys get jobs after it here on on Friday night. I'm I'm pumped in Jack. I'm not sure if I get anything done at work the next two days. I'm just to be conspiring for ways to make Nick nurse look stupid. So I probably don't know if that's going to do it for this week's show as a reminder. You can subscribe to Celtic stuff live on iTunes to Google Play Music and Spotify. We certainly appreciate a rating and review because your feedback is important to the show and John we're going to wrap it just like this a big thanks to the founder of ceiling Us Media Nick gelso. So for my co-host John for me Justin appreciate it talk to you after Celtics game 7 when?

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642: Is Beal worth the wait?

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642: Is Beal worth the wait?

"Right there. So I was wondering, welcome to something stuff live in the ceiling. S media Network. The leading online provider of authors, audio and video coverage for your Boston Celtics. Eat John, it's been a month since we did this and I can't even get out the intro without a flub. I don't want to tie flubs into what's going on right now, but there are definitely going to be several people listening to the show this week that are going to be looking at what's been going on with free agency, in the Celtics as a flaw. And, and, and I understand it John. So I'm just going to dive right into it, you know, my son's been with me for three weeks, just headed to college, literally this afternoon and yeah, yeah, crazy, crazy man, crazy. But, but so I you know, where we've been back and forth about this, you know, and it's he's like he's he follows the winds that blow on Twitter and so he gets really he gets really wound up and and I and I hear a lot of the common Twitter, narratives coming from him sometimes when we have our conversations about the team and so you know, it's like I just don't understand what they're doing. But the truth is is like I understand the desire for cap space and the strategy and everything else. You know what the bummer is dead. One, I really liked fornier and I wanted him to stay. I also loved what he did in the Olympics. You know, when he'd beat us and I think I think there's a little touch up there and he wanted to stay. And so I I had kind of even though he was wasn't was very long and had to deal with the covid-19. It happened. There's a new coach but I'm just, I'm having a hard time getting excited. Hey, we got in a scanner Chris and I like tennis, I think tennis is fun, you know, I think he's a good, you know, personality to have around the team, but I'm not convinced that bills have good fit for this team and I get that bill isn't the only free agent Target next year, and thought maybe Beals a good fit because it keeps stating around a long time. And I think that is the conversation that you and I add on the last show that we recorded, but as far as like ball movement and you know, having enough for everybody to get, there's even with Jaylen Brown kind of moving into a more of a back seat for that and and plugging in when the other guys needs rest or goes through injury, anything like Thursday, and then and focusing more on defense, like there's some attractive pieces to that, but we still don't really have a Distributing point guard. That's going to help navigate all of that and get those guys in New Jersey. Spots Al Horford's going to help with the ball movement, but sitting around on your hands and waiting, you know, to try to get a vehicle. I'm just not sure that. I'm not sure that box is the right, the right piece. If you're keeping Jaylen Brown and and that's where my doubts really come into play with this. They might have their eyes on somebody else other than Beale, you know, just cuz we all think I feel doesn't mean it's Beale but you know I I I'm not sure that this is the right play. I'm willing to be patient and see if they get a big one next year off but we've watched them do it. Dude, if God the big names and should always happens. So why are we wasting another year? And so, it just all I'm saying, is it better not be a waste of a year. They better over perform like the Terry Rozier Celtics. Well, okay. You only talked with that, right? Celtics the water. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Yep. I know, I know. Well, okay. So there's a lot here to unpack, right? So I mean, I think that the last time the Celtics off kind of had a bad year, and things didn't go well and Danny went into that. What did he do? He said I'm going to max out, Kemba Walker home and we're going to get enes Kanter and that's going to be our way of of kind of stemming that tide and very stay Competitive Edge and we can still be good. And it worked. They were they were, they were in it. They were, you know, conference finalists, I think probably a healthy Gordon Hayward from being in the NBA finals and do you know, who knows? Because that Laker team was pretty beat up as well. And keep in mind, Kemba was not good in the postseason that not good. No. So they did. They wage That kind of in the in the postseason like still competitive but but without right, without Kemba effectively, I mean not the same Kemba. So I, you know, they're they're coming into this year in a similar situation. This is the third time there or the second time. I guess they've come off a Bad season and you know in that situation they turned the tide but then ultimately it really it doubled down on the problem and instead of a Terry Rozier you know they end up with a high price guard. I you know expensive guard who is small and couldn't defend and ultimately you know, was a real probably was the single biggest reason, Danny Ainge isn't here. Anymore wage. So there's so much to get into. I mean you can talk about the the drain of players who've walked out at the Celtics effectively chosen not to want wage not to bring back. We can talk about a whole bunch of things in terms of how we got here. But in terms of moving forward, like you said, you know, whether Bradley Beal is the guy or not, the guy I mean I think we would agree that Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum alone aren't enough to get them to get them over the hump. It would seem it. Seems they need one more guy, or a collection of guys that are pretty close to that level to where they can say. Okay, we're deep but we have, you know, a collection of talent that can support those too. And, and right now, they have, neither one, could these these young guys really start this year and we say, you know what, maybe we don't need to, you know, Bradley Beal possibly. But yep. More likely than not their best path. For from this moment is create cap space see what you can do to create somebody who can you know, fill that void. Evan Fournier was never going to be the third guy on this team who could push them over the top. So I I Lament The fact 48 left more often as an indictment on the last three or four years of Celtics off Seasons watching Stars walk away. That's really the issue to me, and why we're in this situation that we're in Iraq. It's not it's not for, it's not fatal, it's not the end of the world. But I think the frustration point for Celtics fans or at least for me is the fact that you've seen this happen here after year after year, and there's different reasons and there's different, a lot of them it's because the Celtics just didn't want to pay that much money for a given player because tax concerns Or what have you but at the end of the day, we're sitting here three or four years later and we are effectively throwing, let's say throwing away especially in the prime of your Cornerstone players. But you're really not going all-in or even half end because you're really just hoping to kind a tank in a way for Bradley Beal. And that's, that feels really icky to me. I don't like. And you can say, it's not Bradley Beal, you can same thing. It's, you know, Zach LaVine. You can say it's we're going to max out Triple J. You could say that, you know, maybe we think one of the, the Brooklyn guys is going to walk away. I don't think any of that's going to happen, you know, Michael Porter, Jr. I mean there's yeah the list goes on and on but realistically, it's bath. Right. I mean 80% of this at least to be says they have Bradley Beal circled, you know, and say okay this is the guy. This is the guy included that has to come back with some sites, some sort of inside knowledge. So to think, I mean well the inside knowledge is is tampering unless it's Jason Tatum, I get it back up so you know, and and that's how the NBA works. So it's it's not a big leap to think that that would be the case and that he would be planned for that. And they were bombed, you know, not to play together on the Olympic team, you know, pretty much. Everybody's connecting those dots. So, let's go back to what I said. I think ultimately, it's Jaylen Brown got to get on the move. Why, why do you think that? Why does he have to get on the move? I just don't understand offensively how those three work together, you know, especially with like a Marcus. I'm not saying Mark is necessarily bad, but like those are three guys that really should be fairly volume Shooters. We're probably not going to barcus here, if you have beel. Oh, that's true, right. I know you're right. They can't sign him. That's right, because he wants the four year, 80 million, twenty per contract extension that he's not going to get because they got a shed him to get selling them. Have to even worse, even worse. Well, but okay, so I mean, look at Brooklyn, right? I mean, that's I guess that's kind of regard Robin Williams because of those three dudes in the office. But what is the point guard today? Really? I mean, I don't even know. So that's my point about Brown it marked off. Mark, let's just let's just pretend the money. Isn't the issue Marcus, Smart is a fine. Distributing point guard, if you have players on the team that moved the ball, right? But as as it stands day, what we saw, you know, the last couple of seasons was The Ball, doesn't doesn't move now. Maybe that's something that, you know, Jason wasn't feeling well and had a rough start off season, so they leaned on Brown, you know, and then Brown got hurt and they, you know, Tatum does his thing. But do this team did not move the ball and so you need somebody that gets that ball moving or these guys need to figure out how to move the ball in a whole new way. And I feel like when we go back to the, you know, injured, Arie, and, and Hayward postseason, that we really saw that, right? Like Terry and smart, and there's just a lot of ball movement from those young players. But I, I am So feel like it's almost like we grew past that with what they're expecting from Jalen and Jason is marquee players and the offense own and really what now can feel moved the ball? Yeah, I think he could be a good team player, but we saw this with Kemba, you know, he's a volume shooter who drives to the basket and when you start like they lose their Rhythm, dude wage. You need lots of shots to get into a rhythm. I just feel like brown completely falls out of really getting a lot of touches and yeah, it could be a focus on on defense. But do you want to pay a guy, twenty-five million a year to to kind of be a one-dimensional defense of three, indeed? Kind of guy that has you know, exceptional T and then like he's almost like in the real enroll all of a sudden if you signed Beal except we don't have Rondo. Yeah. I mean but is there any Merit to what I'm saying? They're like, I know, I don't know. I know you Counterpoint but but let's take that big three era just remember that Rondo. Is there not saying that Ray? Rhonda. I don't think, but he is definitely moving the ball around. Yeah. But I don't think I don't think that's where the game is today. Like, I don't even think the thoughts of a point guard setting up a team and and setting up a set and all that, like that's it doesn't happen anymore. Point guards are scores. Wings are are do everything players? I mean, look at life, a better a better Compass to look and say, you know, the Clippers, right? You know, what is Kawhi and PG? What are their responsibilities Visa Vie? Say home? You know, a Patrick Beverley or you know, I mean, yeah, having that point guard, who can move the ball is important. But it's not it's it's it's dead. Secondary tertiary. It's, you know what I mean? And like I think that there's a style of play issue with Jason and Jaylen, that has to be worked out this season, right? How they make each other better. I mean, let forget about who we add to the mix, right? We got eighty-two games for those two to figure out how to make each other better off and that hasn't happened yet. And now look, I can excuse that, a great deal by saying look, you gotta figure out who you are as a player before you can worry about anybody else. And I took the both of those guys have been trying to figure out who they are and make themselves who they can be. You can't pay attention to everybody else. If, if you're only, if your focus has been on yourself wage, I don't mean that selfishly. I don't think they're being selfish. I don't think they're selfish players per se, I think it's just look your kids. You're trying to learn how to be Pros. They've done far more wage Most people, their age, they've done a hell of a lot more than Trae, young, and Luka doncic combined, right? So let's not sit here and I'm not trying to throw a, you know, kind of criticized if anything. I'm going the opposite way, I'm just saying. I think that this is last year, was the first time they had to run a team, right? It did not go well for a lot of reasons this year, there's that their role is staying the same and I'm not trying to excuse it, it's staying the same. But God. What's the biggest thing? That came out of e-mail though. Cuz press conference, we gotta find more ways to get assist. We got to move the ball, right? That's defense. Defense of ball movement. But guess what, just, it's the obvious Focus, it's where they dropped off and it's where they sucked like the saying it and getting it to happen or two, totally different things. Just because we hire a job, To the coach didn't notice the obvious glaring, weaknesses doesn't mean he's going to fix it. Well, first thing you got to do to solve a problem is recognized it right? Come on, dude. Well, no, I mean, look, if if they put a price, should be the choice. If it wasn't an issue. Brad, Stevens will still be the coach here. I mean, obviously that was the problem, right? He didn't think he could get through to them. Apparently, I mean, I still don't know why we still don't know exactly why, but that's what I keep telling myself is that the reason why he's he's where he is and Danny is where he is in part the he couldn't get through to them. So it may have doka has to get through to them. And that's what they're going to be, that's what they're going to be judged upon, you know, is whether or not they can share the bulk and they make each other better, but can they raise the boats around them and their games? Not just have spectacular plays themselves but the good and who they are and also improve those who their share the dog. For with and they haven't done that. And I'm not saying that that's a cop-out. I'm not saying oh well you don't, you know, it doesn't matter. But like if you don't have the ability to see if you don't, if it's not a focus for you you're not going to you're not going to you're not going to attack that and if they don't change that then what are where are we? As a franchise is Bradley Beal. Is you're not going to? I don't even know if Brad long. It was going to want to come here to change that, you know? Cuz cuz seemingly they don't understand it, they don't understand the purpose, they don't understand what it takes to win. And has brought, you know, what even want to be here to be part of this, if they don't seem to understand what it takes to be a winning player, or a winning leader of a franchise, so I don't even look anything. Like, what is, what is this due for Jaylen? Brown as much as I look at it. As there's, they get a they have maybe two games of figure it out. And and they have to, you know, but wage But but can they but but here's the question Justin can they is there a outcome and How likely is it that those to do figure it out? Forget adding Somebody. But How likely is it that that they do? Yeah, I'll answer that in a second but you asked, here's the real question. Do you want to be a winner wage that online. 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They have to figure it out. Yeah they're supposed to be Pros. Yes.. But when you look at the makeup of this roster, you look at where they were in the same things you know in the standings last year and you look at like they're still they're only going to sign people who won the year deal. It's pretty obvious at this point. They're just going to pick off. The free-agent fodder wants to cap space dries up and go out there and spend the vet minimum and whatever. And but whatever they have for exceptions etcetera, it's it's all going out on 1 year deals and that's it. So our biggest Acquisitions for this coming season are Josh Richardson, Christy John, and Anna scanner? It's sort of telling you is that yeah, they should be Pros but they're better. Be a conversation happening with Jaylin and Jason about what's supposed to happen next offseason thousand. If it don't go, right, it's going to make it worse, it's going for in fighting. Yes, yes, they don't perform. Well if they don't find out if they don't do right, like if they do the old Brad Stevens, overperform, you know, and and truthfully it's kind of a nasty thing to say. Because really if these to do Thursday. And move the ball and a guy like maybe Nesmith continues to come in and play with that energy and you know, Christian helps out a little bit. And Peyton, Pritchard takes a little bit of a wage like every year we frigging do this. Oh, if this, if that, if this and this blood and yeah, if this year is like, Isaiah Thomas, In a year and they over perform or you know, play better, you know than they did last year with effectively less ability. I mean, I will say, they should just get better by not having come back out of the lineup. I mean, that's gotta be tough for them to find a Groove and four. And they, and they were so disjointed on Whose roles were what there was no consistency there and they'd started to get consistency. And you'd see something really special happening with Rob out there and then Rob gets injured. But all those things are still on the table with injuries and disruption to lineups with Al Horford. I do feel like things took terms of matching up against opponents and switching things up is they're better. They're better constructed from that standpoint. For sure. They don't have it. So so many, you know, really misconfigured pieces, but they also don't have as much talent. And so it's possible that this goes well, like, I'm not trying to be like super negative Nelly if they got the 4th or 3rd, see dead. They that would consider that a very that would be a successful year for this team as constituted and so setting reasonable expectations making some noise in the postseason some things that you know, has happened over the last few years that would all be great and it would be exciting and I will turn around and and follow that Groove. But if these two don't figure out how to play off of each other and they don't figure out how to move the ball and things. Get a little ugly, no, elf, no, Al Horford in the locker room as a, as a as a quiet, leader and enes Kanter is, the fun guy is going to pull them through, you know, them Landing in the seventh and eighth seed when they finally have the keys turned over to them. Like, finally, right. That is faith. That is something that we all need to acknowledge. Especially me. I said we should have turned this team over to these to a while ago. You did I did. So now I'm getting what I'm wanting and it sounds like I'm a complete beige. But I want, I wanted them to turn it over to them and and have like an Evan Fournier here. I wanted it. I wanted it them to be the Alpha's with a decent Supporting Cast off. And the truth is, is they're turning it over to them. Without what could have been a much better Supporting Cast and as a result of that, I don't think they're really going to maximize this concept of turning a team over to them. And so I am concerned that they underperform that they are in that seventh or eighth seed, do kind of what they should have done the first few years of their career and had them. Go through the Pains of becoming the leaders of the team, you know, both on the court and in the locker room and cetera. And, and then that winds up like, you know, like down there messing with the chemistry. And so that's my concern, you know? It could be great for this team as, as much as it could be bad, I just hate waiting for the savior because we already God. The savior's, you know, three times, oh no free agent will sign in Boston, Al Horford, you know, well that's a one-off Gordon. Hayward Kyrie Irving trade off. I guess we didn't sign him, you know, but but we had all these guys, these big names coming to save the day and it didn't. And so still want to squander a season waiting for that player to be named later to come off the day. Ya know, and I think that that's, I think that's where most fans are right now. I think that they're, they're frustrated because we just went through this awful season, right. And then, and then what happens, you know, we go into the offseason and and we give away assets to get off of a bad contract. You do get you a call back, a back up big who can actually actually fits with the style of play that you want as opposed to what you had with Tristan Thompson. But, you know, you had to give away a lot and you've dead Really, very little else other than adding Josh Richardson. And who knows what's going to happen with the, you know, the the done deal because we don't know whether or not what's going to happen, you know, wage other assets coming here who who really knows how that Atlanta Sacramento deal ends up. But you know, that's the frustrating frustrating point though, is that, you know, you had that year and we didn't take our medicine after the Kya Reese's and after he and Horford left and we instead tried to quick fix it. So it's kind of like be careful because we wanted to fix everyone wants to fix right now. Right. So that you know, look let's let's move on with it but you know probably we ought to learn that taking a quick fix as we did two years ago really just set ourselves further back and so I think when you look at a Kemba and that deal wage You don't want to be in a situation. I think that's a 48. Probably would have been is and unfortunately, it's 48 and Kemba you lose to the Knicks which is, oh yeah. It sucks. Them ready. And, and and that team was up start last season. They were the fourth grade, right? Is that right the first scene and Julius, Randle is another player. How many there's a guy said we should get, right? And he has an awesome season and on Colin plays another one, John calls the other guy wanted and I felt like there's I felt like a trade to be made there honestly. Yep. And they didn't do it. And so and I feel like so the only thing that that does is reaffirm that the Celtics are worried that data will leave. If I don't get Bill they don't want the Anthony Davis factor to happen. That's that's what this is all telling me which is you know. Gosh, I hope that's not the case cuz I do log. Tatum but I hate the fact that players dictate so much of what's going on. It just, it really just pisses me off, you know, it's not that I want them to be taken advantage of or that organization should, you know, be able to control their careers. But I also don't I don't like the reverse hijacking. It's just it's it's what happens all the time. It's like this balance of power, just swings, you know, from one to another and and, and it's not and us. It's not an actual balance of power, right? It's an over abundance of power, on one side of each other instead of a healthy balance that would make the league Thrive. Well, the mixing, we look at the look at the the Lakers right now. You know, I mean the amount of see the tweet, it looks like the Lakers are trying to the. It looks like the Lakers are try to where the 2010 or 2011 championship because you know, they're getting all the players wage Awesome, ten years ago, but right. And and and it probably, I don't think it's going to work for them quite as well as they'd like to Hope, but, you know, they're the ability for team consolidate. Is it just continues on and on and on. And, you know, it's, it's frustrating. You know, it's frustrating for both teams like the Celtics certainly, but it's, it's got to be frustrating for a lot of teams who are just sitting back and saying, you know, you gotta be kidding me. I mean, the next added, you know, they've found players, although they have cap space, the Nets have added players, You Know, Rich getting richer and all, you know, I think one thing I want to talk about though that that someone has long gone under the radar is that, you know, that Talent during the Celtics have undergone or the last few years, you know, part of the reason and I was among them who said, well, there is a bad deal. Yeah, I'm glad I'm not paying out Horford, you know, I'm glad I'm not paying Terry. Rozier, I'm glad I'm not paying, you know, Gordon, Hayward wage, you know, we have to kind of re-examine that a little bit because, you know, while I certainly don't want the songs to end up in cap jail, we're sitting here now, you know, three or four years after, you know, kind of that that drain has gone on. And I'm not saying those are all good deal, but none of them looked as bad looked as bad now as they did, you know, certainly them. And I think you know, we were both kind of listening to the Celtics brass say well you know you gotta be careful and you can't put yourself in a bad spot and all this and I just I have a hard time wondering you know in thinking about you know, how much of this is really just a solid still want to pay players. They don't play play, paid players what they're worth. You know. I mean yeah I do. I want that sounds like a year. That's like the drum. That burn adoni is banging on, right? I mean, yeah. And I kind of feel that I've got come over to that side because I have to it's frustrating and and I And I'm not saying that they should just pay everybody and obviously you can't do that but they look good players walk and and over and over and over again. And if you're going to have a hard line and a firm line on players that a trade them, you know, if you aren't going to keep Gordon Hayward trade him, why wouldn't you trade Kyrie Irving? If things get bad behind the scenes as we think trade him, you know, same with Horford. Same with, I mean, that ability to read your own players. Yeah. That to me is why Danny Ainge certain Go-Go? Yeah. So let me let me follow up on that too though. Like spinning into our new regime, you know, with Brad in that role. The whole point is to get cap space. Why the hell are we trying to take advantage of the you know, trade exceptions that we created from Canada and Hayward? What's left of them? Only to let guys suck. Or do you walk anyway like there's no if you don't use it to get something of value, why are you using it, right? I don't I don't even for me. Like I remember saying we made the deal. This is great, as long as we're assign him and now we didn't re-sign him and then they're trying to work everybody into these trade exceptions. You know, and I'm like, why am I? And the only thing I can think of is Is Chris Doan expiring contract? I need to look that up. All right, so he's an expiring contract. Maybe they're just trying to get as many people on a one-year deal as they can and using the trading options to get these. They're willing to spend the money this year within the rules, right? But they want but they only want to get people for one year because they're trying to do the cap space. So it's just weird off or using these trade exceptions but, you know, I guess. I guess, I guess the reason they went with Fournier over, anybody else was because he was expiring, this was all part of the plan. They realized they couldn't make the big splash, but the Hayward trade exception. And so I thought they knew it was gone. So why not get a one-year rental? That might just help them and they can kick the tires, you know, they, they, maybe they knew they were doing this all along, but that's where it ties back. You just said, you know, was Myles. Turner really an opportunity? If he was come on, guys, right? Why didn't why didn't we? Why didn't we trade Hayward? Even before it got to the point where we almost lost him. I mean, it sounded like they might re-sign him like the mismanagement of that piece and, and you're laying it all on Danny. And I can see why because, oh, no Foundation was beforehand. And now Brad's just kind of dealing with the leftovers a little bit. So, but I see that. But I'm putting it on daily but I'm probably even more put it on Wick dead. I think that that's, you know, they wanted to leave cuz they didn't necessarily agree with it. I don't, I don't know if that's where it is or not. But all I'm saying is off of them, from 8 2008-2012. I think for the, you know, the kind of the kg Paul era, you know, they they paid tax you know but apart from that wage they have very few and far between been in the attacks attacks and Dean and you know, due to the changes in the recent TBA and the punitive nature of the the repeater tax. I understand why you can't just live in the tax year after year after year. But are you not have you not been competitive? I see if you not been a perennial Eastern Conference finalists. Yes. It's great to be able to be a conference finalists in spite of a salary number. That's outside the tax, but if you want to stay off, Competitive, or push over that number. And to, to become a champion, you gotta go deeper. I mean, the walkie was already in the tax office and they said, look, we're going to get, we're going to get through holiday. We're going to get PJ Tucker, we're going to get a Bryn Forbes you know, Bobby Portis off. You know the Celtics have had to play games the last few years to try to stay out of the tax and you know, look I understand you minimize that the best you can. But over and over the Celtics took change took opportunities, they when they had draft picks to use to trade, they didn't and then how they don't have any draft picks lose to add players, you know, expiring players or whatever and and then they don't have those pics anymore. And now the issue is salary and it's like, so which is it, is it you don't have the aspect assets is it became Don't want to spend the salary now, I used to think it was just an asset mismanagement situation. I'm beginning to wonder if it's really more about money, and I just think that there's some hard questions that, that with a Groesbeck and the ownership have to answer, because I'm not going to be satisfied with the well, when we're in that situation will spend the tax, that's not enough for me. Now that's a badass, but it's worked for twelve years or ten years since kg left. It's not enough for me. Now, they, they need to be, they need to be more aggressive with their wallet. You know, they're the thought of that that franchise has increased ten times over the twenty years, they've owned a franchise or less than twenty years. I don't want to hear anything about. Well, we don't want to go into the tax. I'm just, I'm over by, you know, I don't want repeater tax so that, you know, I don't want caps, but they got to do better with the money they have. So let me ask you, if they spend the money and they'll and the big free agent next summer job. You all of a sudden not feel that way anymore know. I still feel that way cuz it's it's they've lost opportunities. You know? Yeah I mean that's where we are today is because well we didn't want to overpay Gordon Hayward. We didn't want to overpay, you know Terry Rozier. We didn't want to overpay you know, out Warford those three guys, moved over here, over the last few years. How do you think this team would have would have played? Do you think they would have been better than the team we saw? I think undoubtedly, that's the case. And you could have had both of them. You know, maybe you wouldn't be able to, you know, maybe, you know, you would have to trade Terry by the time, you know, he was deal came up or, I don't know how you would have, but yeah, we we are open 3 on all those guys. And I just, that's the mismanagement that bothers me. And that's what and, and now it's Brad's team and I'm willing to and that's kind of the thing that Abby I want to clap back at Ryan for for staying on Twitter today about, you know, well it's a new person, no doubt, ninety-nine percent of the front office is the same. But the issue is, is that I don't know that there's a change in philosophy and nobody has indicated anything differently in terms of philosophy, I know we're still attaching Bad Assets and bad contracts with with high value trade, you know, traffic's to send out to clear our dog. Cap. She once again third year in a row, we've done this you know, and now we just signed the guys that we set away for Desmond vain. I just it just seems like we're going in a cycle and we're not ever getting out of it. Maybe this is the end and if this is the end, then I I'm I'm appreciative of Brad Stevens putting his foot down and say Thursday from here on working fifty, hell of a lot better cuz it does take something to probably dig yourself out of that hole. But right now, if this is bottom, it doesn't feel great. But I feel better knowing that there is no further because through three years of falling at this point, Right? I mean we're following and we can't get up, we're following we're that old lady in the ball and the base of the the floor of her bathroom, with our little Medic Alert bracelet, or whatever. If I followed it, I kick it up. That's us. That's where we are. It's really dead. All I can say is if we said the, we set the bar low, there's a chance will actually end up being happy during The Siege and look, right? I mean, there's I mean, think about this, right? I mean how the season ended apart from, you know, a spirited kind of last series there with with Brooklyn, although, I'm still not happy with the whole Kyrie Irving stepping on the logo thing. Now, he's dead. That and that was something we haven't talked about this, but that was something that kind of came up in some of the postseason kind of, you know, conversations of fact, you know, that was something that didn't go over well with people in the organization, I'm guessing that was a wick Groesbeck thing and I'll give credit to WIC. If that was something that bothered him, and that's why he wants to pursue change in the front office of the coaching staff, I appreciate that because, well, I understand people think, well, it's just a symbol who cares. It represents the team wage if you're not playing for the team, what the hell's the point? Shut, the whole damn thing down, will all play one-on-one. All day long. I mean, the team is what binds you, that's the game. That's what we are all doing this for, you know. And so I was appreciative of whoever was frustrated about that if that helps for change great but that's what I want to see like wage What's good change, right? They, you know, are they going to fight for each other? They going to play for each other. They going to share the ball, you know? I think that's why I think this us Team. USA experience is great for them, you know? Because it's okay, I'm part of a, a thing. This isn't about me, this isn't about me getting mine. This is about 1 Gauss gold medal, you know. And I and it's all we've seen over and over players have come away positively from that, I'm hopeful that that will help him as well. Yeah, it's interesting. It feels like he in, in Durant are kind of buddying up a little bit too, doesn't it? Yeah. And and I are that that pseudo passing of the torch, right? Like, you know, he's he's Durant's, throwing a lot of love Tatum's way so long. You know, that's kind of, it's kind of interesting to me that way. And, you know, Tatum can't be, you know, the guy right on track USA. And so especially with Duran ahead of him at the same position essentially, right with a similar function in the offense and defense for that matter. But wage so you know, yeah I kind of hoped that but I guess my other question for you is you kind of decided that Tatum is a little selfish. When you say that right like wage Part of me is like, I don't know that Tatum is necessarily selfish just think like there are times dude, I hate when he just dribbles it up and kind of get off and does the sidestep, sorry fade. Well yeah, that that bothered me but I felt like that happened a lot more when his lungs weren't there and they were really looking to him to carry the team, right? And so, I'm not so sure that he's mentally selfish as much as he was trying to figure out that role and what needs to happen. And so then there's the, here's the end of the other Yang that you were talking about Brad, you couldn't get it across to them to move the ball around. So is that really what happened or not? When I mean is or did, or was Brad asking them to do it? I just don't understand. Like this whole I lost the team thing. Well was it more on purpose to like maybe Danny lost the team? You know, in these other ways that you described, I loved a nice. I even hate saying this too but maybe Danny maybe Danny lost the team at an executive level and the team was handcuffed with Brad in his salary and and what not. And so, they kind of saw an opportunity cuz for them to replace Danny, he was gonna crash a lot of money, right? So for them to elevate Brad, they can then get a coach, who's an upstart? It probably save a little bit of money, but if they keep right on, Brad's contract and replace Danny. Now, they're really paying which ties in what you just said about the whole finances and them now wanting to spend, right? And so, you know, maybe Brad maybe Brad New Jersey, Tatum needed to develop the skill set and maybe he was instructed to do it. Maybe it's not so simple as he lost the team and they couldn't get everybody to do the ball movement, if that's the case. There's no. Side. There's some potential for being encouraged this season. I think it's probably just honestly. I I feel like this is the total lack of Direction and, and chemistry off on the team last season in general, and it probably led a little bit all of that, they probably wanted Tatum to do it. They just didn't want him to do it the way he was doing it and they didn't want him to do it so much about him pacted. You know, the way that the ball movement went and then maybe the experiment went awry and they couldn't then fix it. And then they got into positions and games where they felt like, well, I guess Tatum's off the game over again and so they relent but they can't get everybody together on the same page and they can't get out of it and definitely lacking practice time with Kimberly in and out of the lineup, a and a and a double bag line up with a squad did not help with the ball movement issues. I mean they might have just dug a cultural and chemistry type whole that just they could knock off. Out of. Yeah I mean I think I think yes. I think it's an all-of-the-above probably. You know, I think that that's true home and and the totality of them were just too much. I mean we've always heard everyone's good people, you know, there is no ill-will between Brad and any of these players and wage, you know, I don't I don't think that there's anything personal personals the right word but I don't think there's anything that makes me say. Okay this is this was done poorly or with malice. I know there's malice involved in this. I think it's it's more about a whole bunch of good people. Mismanagement on wage on levels that just combined to a disaster. Yeah, I yeah, I think it's, it's, it's error on top of error, on top of error. You know, it's, it's young guys who don't yet know off, How to lead and how to win. It's a front office that prioritize. Draft picks over veteran players who would leave soon found. But then that left a bench devoid of veteran players for Coach who wants to play veteran players who doesn't want to, you know, try it out with rookies and and and brookies wage contract players. It's a front office and potentially an ownership that didn't want to spend money on players and go deep into the tax office. You know. I mean I think it's it's all that and then in the micro level it's Really for the first time at the NBA level being somebody who had to be a playmaker at any in any capacity. Remember he was basically a, you know, a spot-up shooter for the first year, he was here first year or two. Frankly, you know, Jalen had never had any sort of passing responsibilities whatsoever, you know? So I mean, I could take all that throw it throw in a pot and you can see why would go bad, you know, but on the other hand is you go into next year, to kind of go back to your first kind of thought. Is this Bradley Beal fix it? No, Bradley Beal, doesn't fix it. But you know, we to go back to the argument that I heard over and over is it Tatum and brown or is it everywhere around him and brown? You know, they not good enough around those too and that's why the teams are good because those two can't do, you can't do it on their own. And I think the truth is dead. A little column aide calling be right, you need, you need leadership from your stars, but those stars have to show support and have to show leadership for the other guys. You know, you, they can't average fifty a game each and even then you lose, you know, if they're taking fifty shots each. So you have to there has to be some above wage, and I think that hopefully, that experience last year, taught them a lot. I saw a lot more out of Tatum and that, that playoff series and down the stretch than I thought he was capable of. But there's things to learn. And, and again, and we I remember talking with this on the show. Let's remember. Paul Peirce was in his eighth season 7 season. When he put the ace bandage around his head off at a post-game press conference and he was like twenty-six twenty-seven years old. Yeah, so I mean he's now the captain the truth and, and beloved and dead. You know, Finals MVP. These guys are twenty-three twenty-four, right? So we've asked to leave accomplish so much for asking a lot of them too. And not, the problem is, let's not burn them out before they're, you know before, let's not turn on them before they show that they can't do it. And I took that they can do and I think they can figure it out and I think Bradley Beal being here I think he's a better distributor than he's probably showing in in Washington it would be if she's playing next to Tatum and brown but it doesn't solve the problem. I don't know itself and and date of a brown, have to solve so much of that and they have to show it from the jump this year. Yeah, they really do. Yeah. They have to get from the jump. I started every response and then I heard the glass on the back of my mind are the last thing you said and I was like from the jump. I don't know man. Maybe not from the job. They gotta figure it out through the year and by the time they get to the end I think that's that's the way that they constructed this roster at everything else. Like they need to end the season with the kind of confidence going into offseason workouts at cetera and riding that high off that we just signed. So and so and there's nobody else on the team that's going to be pissed that we signed. Oh guess what? That's not happening cuz Marcus is going to be gone you know you look at what happened with Jake when when the Hayward signing right? Like he really took that kind of personally through that whole into that season and you know just look at how that all played out. So you know there's the danger their birth We're going to let smart go. What if, what if last thing and then I got a wrap, I need an app overnight, but go to bed. So if if parking a smart, if Marcus Smart has a phenomenal season, how are you going to feel? What they let him go? So that they can go chase and Bradley Beal? Like what if what if she has that, you know, prove himself type of year? Yeah. And earns the deal and then they turned their back on him and he he goes off and does great. And then the home team spends all this money and it's wash, rinse, repeat. I'm going to be so flipping past, like it's I mean, that's a major gamble. Now, the likelihood of that page, right? But you can't Isaiah Thomas or Jae Crowder Marcus Smart you know? Or maybe they may be perfect combination, right? He comes out and has this great song Send and he's got that that Jae Crowder dirt doggy, you know, get it done kind of thing but he's an inspirational leader, you know, for everybody and the fan base, the way he was, he was kind of a combination of those two. If you, if you do him dirty, that's going to be really freaking ugly. And it looks like he's on his way out in the end so he could get the other way it's contract here. So we could have an amazing year but it's a, this going to be a mess either. Remember how he played in his last contract here? Yeah, he played great life. No, no, no. We played on. He punched picture frame and you were you were ready to ship them out, the door of him. But he recovered rebounded from that, and he actually had a, you know, had a good season following that. So, you know, look, I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. Wage Now this is so set up to be a mess but okay. Well but look at this way, right? So they've had a bad year though. Like the difference in that case. So it's weren't badly before. I think that there is that thing where you walk away from the bubble and the Covent, protocols, they had to follow last year's and all that and you know, who knows what's going to happen this year? Certainly? But but it's certainly going to be a heck of a lot more normal than we saw the last two. And I I think that if I were a player went through the last two years, I would have a sense of motivation in me, a sense of like relief and off, probably 4. If I'm Marcus, I'm looking at and saying look, okay, I've got a, you know, I've got to find a way to turn this around, to be the type of guy that I think he is dead. He's got to figure out a way to lead this team and set guys up and not look for counting stats and not look to get his his shots up but to lead and if he does that long, I think that will benefit him but you are. But there are like two distinctly different things and if he, you know, goes out, an average is 17 and 8 that'll look good for opposing teams. Wanting to sign him if he doesn't on 30%, shooting less. So, but if that happens, the social try to trade him anyway. You know what I mean? They're this is, the Celtics are not going to go to the end of the season. I don't believe if Marcus isn't Of a good citizen you know and it'll be easier for Brad to do it as hard as that is too too and there's no point in trading off during the season because they don't want to take on salary. So the only thing they would do is trade out for another know. You could trade him, you could turn expiring contract. Yeah. You just page him for another expiring contract, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. But they're, I mean they're plenty, that will, you know this point. Let me play him room next summer, so there's playing expiring money off. That you should be out there, you know, and you'll be able to get a little bit more form. You may be able to get another pick, you may be able to get a young player. You meet, you know, I don't know. But I think I would prefer Marcus has a good year and he, you know, he said, he does. He becomes Dennis Johnson, Nineteen Eighty-Four, I thought, I wanted a Marcus Smart this year. I want him to be Dennis Johnson, Nineteen Eighty-Four an All-Star caliber or slightly below All-Star caliber player who defends the hell out of the basketball sets his teammates up, you know, and and really is a leader on the defensive end. If you can be more Denis Johnson, Nineteen Eighty-Four wage. That's, that's all I could ask for him, you know, but look how many shots DJ put up an 84, it wasn't, it wasn't, you know, 17 shots of game, you know, the shots were wage going to Larry and Kevin and Cedric and Robert, you know? And that's and that's the way it should have been and weapon to. That's that's what I want out of him off. Marcus Smart be the best Marcus Smart, the Marcus Smart can be. Well my God just be yourself buddy. Don't listen to him off. All right, that's going to do it for this week's show. As a reminder. You can follow Celtic stuff live on Twitter at CSL underscore tweet live. John is at CSL score Duke. I am CSL underscore Justin heartfelt. Thank you to everybody. Yeah, I haven't been on there. I'm on there but I'm like a creeper now. I like never say anything. Unless I am getting pissed and during a game heartfelt thank you to everybody for tuning in and On behalf of our clns founder dick. 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624: The Boys Are Back

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624: The Boys Are Back

"Right there off off during normal normal, welcome to building stuff live on the ceiling media Network the leading online provider of audio and video coverage from Boston Celtics of Justin. He's John we're back we missed the week and the beginning of that week that we missed was worth missing, but we're back for the part for the week. That's worth. Here for Celtics definitely struggle against the 76ers not looking healthy have it still getting through all of that Jason Smith. I'm obviously having quite a bit of time off Jalen Brown stepping up in the meantime campus back. He looks like he might be back to physically I mean and Thursday and also Tatum's back boy was he had to start his first game back John. So it's nice to watch this team. Hopefully get healthy, but some of the younger guys in the meantime has also been impressive. I can't tell you. I'm heartbroken that I'm going to call him what he rabbit. I'm not sure. I like the fast people She said yeah. Well, you know, it's funny a week ago. We would have thought we were two very different place. Right? I mean they they went on three losing obviously to to Philly and losing that really stinky stinker of a game on a Sunday afternoon against the the Knicks but you know, yeah you had you had you know, Kemba coming back through that stretch, but you know, that was well, they had a great game before that against Orlando and you know kind the bench came through and played. Well that was a tough stretch there and how many times and we watched a Sunday afternoon game kind of go silent so often somebody texted me a Philly fan down here and he was like what it's going on with the Celtics. I'm like early Sunday afternoon, bro. It's been happening for years. It doesn't even matter who's on the team. Right. Yeah, I mean change the names for whatever reason when those green and white jerseys are on there Sunday afternoon. It's always hit-or-miss, you know, we'll talk about this forever. It's showing weird that it just doesn't go away also and the other thing was is the Knicks the Knicks were really kind of licking some wounds going into that game too. So they had they had a lot to be played before they were clearly the more motivated of the teams. The Celtics had a bench and just Jason Jaylen Brown I should say and that's it. That was that group was not going to go, you know, unless they brought the same effort. They had against Orlando it was going to be tough and they didn't and there you go. So, you know and then Philly games they were closed. I mean look the fact of those games were as close as they were frankly was probably tells you everything you need to know. Absolutely. So you take that and then you run off a few wins here, you know, and and you start to age Some things here the last two nights, you know both against, you know, the Bulls and then the night before beating Cleveland again, neither team great. Neither team going probably making plans for this summer to be in the playoffs, but that was a a bloodletting in both instances. The Celtics needed to get the bench going to get Kemba going to get Jayson Tatum going coming back from Coleman. It was it was a really exactly what the doctor called for. Yeah. How about Jaylen Brown having 40.82 40-point games already this season. I think this is one of those it's so interesting because the the bench there are players that have stepped up and have emerged as a result of these injuries, which could really pay off big time in the postseason. It definitely helped Brad figure out maybe where these rotations should look once there fully healthy. And then Jaylen Brown just gets tons of confidence becomes the go-to man for so many games already this season. I remember having an argument with my son probably right about before Tatum went out and you know, he was it was when everybody was just vibing on the Tatum versus brown sort of debate. Who's the better player. Who would you rather have and you know, it was just getting annoying in the media, but we were he was buying into it and he kept coming at me from the take my retirement of it and I was like listen, I love them both. I just don't think that the separation between brown and Tatum is as big as you think it is and he's like, yeah the defense I'm like no, I mean the offense look at how efficient Brown is right now and he's willing to be the number to fiddle. He's willing to do the other things. He doesn't have to be the man and I'm not saying that you don't down. Put the ball in Tatum's hands when you're looking for a game-winning shot. I'm just saying you don't have to put it in his hands every time and brown has proven that he's capable of carrying an offense wage had this debate for a long time. If they weren't on a contending team maybe even before we drafted Tatum, you know, how would these players develop if they were to develop in a normal building scenario where they're not good at first, but they get all the minutes etcetera etcetera. Looks like the Celtics didn't have to make that sacrifice to get where they wanted to go the guy long brown, right and they're ready made in jail, and he's ready made and ready to go from day one to compete in the playoffs. You don't have to take those bad habits that same guy like Trae young, you know is trying to work. Well maybe trying to work out his game. I'm not sure but you know those bad habits that, you know can be enabled on some of those bad teams that just need to have them. Guys play like Trae young now the try to compete and he doesn't have the habits. He needs for Success because well that that was enabled and that's now they're trying to figure it out and it's not going necessarily as well as they might hope sometimes so, you know, yeah, I agree with you. I mean that's you know, I think they were a college ahead of this. I had to pause finances to competing while developing. Yes, but the fact that the team was patient they didn't give these guys away for nothing. I mean, how does James Harden vs. Jaylen Brown trade debate conversation? Salary comparison? Look now, is it really I mean, do you want to give up he has the ability to generate offense as he hardened bolts know but that difference is a lot less than you would think and the defense is way better. Oh, yeah. Well, I can't wait to see what time. Dave it's hard in the playoffs looks like but yeah, no, you're right. It's it's it's a huge win for the Celtics to not you know, kept their powder dry off now gone out and tried to get the the the one-time MVP in favor of a guy who's on the road any other number of Trades that might have had the years. Yeah. I mean, you know, Jimmy Butler Jake Paul George who else we got out there. I mean, you know, the list is endless here, you know, I think the syllabus can feel pretty good about where they sit right now in terms of those two guys be in the heart of where they're going and certainly after two wins. There should be feeling really good about where they're headed in the Eastern Conference. You know, I think that the main question, you know remains is what about everybody else but you know to put that aside for a second, you know, and to talk about what it is, I mean the efficiency that as you said the efficiency with which Jeff Brown is scoring. I mean that that 32 points in nineteen minute deal. I mean, that's what the hell is that? That's hopefully recorders Boom Pow, maybe 15 minutes you get 30 points. I mean that's a that's a special special. You know, you're a superior athlete who has the who has figured out how to finish. Yeah. He's so patient now he realizes that not only is he physically faster than most of the players in the NBA, but he's holding his dribble long enough money to take advantage of that but it's also holding onto his head long enough not to blow it, you know when he telegraphs it anybody can recover now, he's got moves me just look at the step back when he gets into the body and steps back. I mean, there's Shades at Arden just watching him do that. I think. Yeah, and and I think that that off. His ability to get into the mid-range and and finish continually over and over and over and hitting some tough shots, but he's also able to get some good looks in that area because that's obviously an area where the NBA is not focused on stopping right now and he's just feasting he's feasted and on the on those mid-range shots wage absurd degree and if he's if he's able to kind of keep going with that right and and kind of just live in that area. I mean just three levels score for sure, you know, here's to level score before now. He's he's a he's a consistently great three level score, you know, and then on top of that at let's not forget the playmaking off the playmaking where he's now a guy who you trust not only with the ball in his hands, but to create for others it kind of goes back and you look at the the idea about what to do with. Hay khong And now do I do that? Cuz I was definitely that's been on my mind. I want to talk about that. I mean it sucks. It sucks in terms of the depth of this team to have wage. You know, what forget about what he did but to have a guy who was a 30-minute a night guy who was consistent and who was solid and his job and you know, you could count on what that was for thirty minutes of my life. But now conversely right the Celtics kind of went in and said look though. We believe in these two guys Tatum and brown. We believe that the wall should be in their hands We Believe those are the guys who are going to lead us to be going to go we could spend 30 30 million a year and bring back a guy in the side of 30 who's had, you know problems and no no hayward's done well and and the horns, I'm not trying to denigrate that way. I've always saying look. Hey now we're able to see what Tatum Brown can do if a soulless can reallocate that asset, you know that Thirty million to now be a 20 million dollar guy or or 225 million dollar guys to build a deeper team around the probably the most efficient scorer in the league in Jaylen Brown and a guy who can probably get a shot over anyone at anytime and Jayson Tatum. I'm not really sure anyone should be looking at that any other way than that a real win for the Celtics and Danny age. Yeah, I couldn't agree. I couldn't agree more its interesting. I'll go ahead and transition over to Hayward just cuz he's had some really big nights. He's scoring just a tick underneath with brown is per night. But he's also one-hundred-percent the best score on the Hornets. I think what we loved about him was that he was also willing to be the second fiddle have indicating for him after a frustrating, you know stretch and his career like great great on him. I don't think he's doing championships do look at their record. You know, that's just not wage indicative of of their like team's success. Right and his stats would come down on any team that's built to win a National Championship. That's all I'm getting out with those numbers, but he would be great to have here. It's just too bad. We never got to see him healthy with all those guys playing together. Like I think this outcome was pretty inevitable, but the thing off Is going to be nice that would have been even nicer had he been healthy was the fact that the load for the scores wouldn't have to be as huge. I mean think about how often off some of these guys ought to be able to take nights off. I mean we already were able to deal with how much time off for Tatum and if Kevin had been healthy adding into that or if we were just talking about taking some nights off guys ought to be able to get some rest and stay fresh and that's actually my biggest concern now that they've had to postpone a bunch of these games is how do we make sure that they get rest Sean Grady was talking about makes so much sense for them to stick around and Chicago and play a makeup game on Wednesday night, especially with the Gap in games. I realize they had a a back-to-back, you know leading industry Chicago with it still have a night off. They wouldn't need to travel and they could just play that that game and get it out of the way. I'm a little concerned about what it's going to look like for this team down the stretch cuz they're going to end up either dead. Maybe they'll extend the season if it's impacted a lot of teams, but there's a good chance to have a lot of games crammed into a short period of time heading into the postseason. So it's nice to see that some of these players the younger guys that they might have to rely on during that stretch have gained some confidence in the meantime, cuz I just don't know how you deal with that. Well, I'm talking about about Jalen Jalen. Jalen has had an incredible weight. He's been carrying with this thing. I mean there's he's been doing a lot of heavy lifting. It was like I can do more I could do more and they were parts of that game. I thought against the Bulls where I'm like, yeah, he's looking like he's doing a lot a lot of heavy lifting. Yeah, and he's a great shame that this isn't a shot at but you know, look it's a it's a lot of heavy lifting and so, you know, you need he needs Kemba and Tatum to come back take that load off of him. And and I think those guys are willing. That's the beautiful part is we spent a lot only willing or able absolutely and we we talked a lot in the last show about how we going to break up Thursday. It's well, you know now or the shots I should say. Well, you know by by being able to be able to redistribute that a little bit get a little bit of some time here to to browse the you know, play a little bit more of a normal role. I think that that helps itself out and and nights off and that's so well-oiled all of a sudden they look deep with this girl really young roster and Jeff Teague hasn't even been crap except for game one basically at this point. So so interesting that their depth is coming from a lot of the younger players also interesting that Grant Williams seems to be the one that's struggling and they're still getting all this step and then, you know Pritcher gets her and their seemingly quote. Confident I mean even the games that they lost when they were losing their affiliate team that they were just outsized immensely a team that they need to they I mean, they really need em match of wise lady Tatum to beat Philly. So I don't think any of us were surprised by those losses, but honestly the depth is is shocking it's shocking and so that's the good news. The good news is the depth is there I think they can give guys nights off. I think they're going to have to give Kevin nights off. They really should have to yeah, they'll be shocked. She only opportunities, you know for Jalen and Jason to be the guy and there's going to be opportunities for smart to be a little bit more than the third guy out there which major crazy but what else game I mean, let me know when you're ready to talk about smart because his ball-handling and his dribbling is is really improved. Well, you know, that's that's yep. Role that I think I've always felt like while he could defend a whole bunch of positions his best way to impact the Celtics as a point guard, you know, I don't, you know, you can put them in different positions. You could say you always this and that and he's you know, it's a natural to you know, one man who can you know, create space and kind of do the things that we're seeing Payton Pritchard, you know, but I just read the game is so strong he's able to get where he wants to get to a lot of times with his size and his speed and strength and now his ball-handling. I think it's been more question of of Asian making on his part right, but I agree with you. I mean, he he's he's taking a step up and and him unlocking that that kind of playmaking Gene. I think you know that you've seen do you get mad at him when he does those passes like behind the backs or you thinking at this point like let him figure it out because it could be really spectacular if he does if the behind-the-back pass. Yeah, allows him to get something out of off his chest isn't the you know, the heat check three I can live with it. You know, I don't know. How long do you think you don't do it though? Do you think you can turn that into something at some point or does it become the heat check three? Yeah. No. Well, I mean you mean does it grow that skill in the point where he's yeah, actually something. Oh, yeah, but just the behind the back but just all of that that this is athletes got some really like he can really sing them. He makes the decision pretty quickly not always a good one. But you know, if the percentage of quick and crisp or hard passes increases in terms of Effectiveness, it could be dangerous, right? That's just good. You gotta you gotta get the percentage of you know, failed attempts down and I don't even sure they're that high right now. That's kind of my point. I mean he's starting to dribble into the paint through the pig. And come back out. We haven't really seen him dribble into those areas that much in the past. Right? No, I I totally agree. I think he's he's venturing more into the space where the sell them to go to create space for others. I just I think so much of this is really about trying to fully flesh out a role for him that he can he can you know took to put his hands around and appreciate and not feel like the way that he has to contribute is to shoot the ball, you know, and I I'm not against his shooting. You know, that's been a lot of people complain about his Studio. I'm not one of those guys. I I appreciate it shooting but you know, there's a time and a place and when you have brown Tatum and Campbell on your team, you got to be, you know, distant forth in terms of shots. And so that means you gotta pump this guy up. So you're getting the max out of his defense you're getting the max out of its place. Aiken and most of all the when the winning plays and if you do all that you're going to get the most out of Marcus Smart, it's an adjustment for him. But I I agree. I think I think he can't unlock it and I think that's really a key for this team to to reach that higher level as they need that fourth guy to fill in all the gaps and Marcus Smart could be that guy so long as his doesn't let his choice, you know, sometimes outsized influence of his shooting take over. You know, how generally refreshing is that though to see point guards on the Celtics not just point guard point guards on the Celtics meaning smart and Pritchard just driving into the paint and it just does so much for their offense. How many times are we getting frustrated over the last couple of years let alone when things started to get really stagnant in the postseason where they dribble the ball up and there's nothing going on, you know getting into the paint dribbling dead. Dribbling back out creates so much more Off the Ball action than just that perimeter swing which is just so killer for them cuz they all just park out and when that is offensive stagnant like that, dude, I want to shoot myself. I can't even watch it. Like you have all these athletes. We want you to attack and transition and here's Jaylen Brown leading the NBA in transmission fast-break points, right which is phenomenal and I want to see more of it but we do get a lot of it off the defensive turnovers, but then they come down and if it's not in transition home most of the time they're not really attacking and you can go back to the Isaiah Thomas LED teams where to really create what we wanted, you know, he had to go to the rim over and over and over until he basically broke his body. Yeah, and in that in one season a phenomenal entertaining season that I'll never forget and will always be grateful for but he dead Droid his body might ruin his career that year, you know and or maybe his career wouldn't have been as much without him wrecking it it's hard to say, but but but but he wrecked himself and that's not the way it should be. You shouldn't even come by. You know, he doesn't finish quite the same way doesn't go to the ground as hard as Isaiah, you know, but he attacks paint but they need more than that. They need to get in then you can collapse and then they need to swing and then they see the next level is can they then cut and and and and not have been doing it a lot with just liked ice right? We've seen that with some of the cuts on those plays and the little alley oops and everything else. But even Baseline Cutters, it's just bringing so much more so many more Dynamics or it's making the offense so much more dining it Dynamic is what I'm trying to say and I think but I think that that's I agree. I think that's Everyone wants to be the score. Everyone wants to be the guy who gets the bucket, you know hits the winning shot hits the guy. I mean that's you know, and sort of someone who works so hard to make winning plays scoring wins games, right? But but it takes so much more than that. And you know, I think that they've been talking, you know, Brad kind of talked about they've been really working with them about, you know, taking the right time to make the right play and I think that while he's impeccable timing in the instant, you know, in terms of that playmaker went to shoot when this past and all that. I don't think he's ever really kind of figured out and I think he is now and I think you know, that's why to go back to Jalen his kind of continuing the pumping up of Marcus Smart in the post-game, you know, every few games he'll say, you know, hey, you know smart was really there for us, you know, he does all everything that makes it happen, you know, the past is dead. That's Jaylen really pumping up the Marcus Smart factor and boy doesn't that make a difference. I think for for Marcus don't really buy into that role and and they need em know they need him to get anywhere, you know, so hey that's that's what they need. Now that they have, you know, Kemba and Tatum coming back, you know, everyone's role is going a little bit different but they're they're going to need more out of Marcus Smart in that role unless so in the scoring aspects. All right, so here's the question. Are you ready? For some football? 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Well, I think we gotta talk about, you know, Ernie Smith or as as Jeff Clark is so these best Camp band. You were like In Like Flint you were off by the way, I was behind Brown. Hold on. No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's not get it twisted here. That's stating that way on Twitter. Well, here's the thing right? I'm kind of sick of the and I feel some some pretty good indication here every goddamn year. I'm on the Twitter and every year off. Have a number of people I go back and forth with about this guy can't do this and he's no good and he can't do it. You know Rosier is trash, you know, Jay Leno that's going to be who they think he's going to be blah blah blah blah blah and we hear this all the time and I've decided so I put a Twitter poll up. I'm like, which is it who's the worst comparison of these people be no lights or are they Wallace stands? I think it's probably stands right? I think these are Wallace stands. I think that you know much like the former general manager of the Boston Celtics Chris Wallace who sent Away Joe Johnson after four months so that they could get three months out of Rodney Rogers. This is whatever, you know, they wanted me instant gratification by these draft picks. It doesn't work like that you it takes time. There's a reason why you get a five year contract in a rookie deal, you know, you get gum Wallace stands I did I did lunges. Might be the best that you've come up with all this show and I like Wallace. Hahaha. I do, do you go everyone could use it just make sure you credit me know but like it's true though. Like it's I'm so tired of that. So yeah, I want to see I want to share Nesmith. I want to see if she read I want to see all these young guys. I want us to have a chance and it takes there's a mental thing for this game. It's your you know, what you see when you play five minutes in garbage time is not indicative of your faith Alan it's indicative of where you are currently but you know guys need minutes. And so I think we see that the last two games, you know, carsen Edwards doesn't look like a bum the last two games. It's really wild. You know what I think that is too when when they saw Pritchard come in and and have that immediate success. I think it changed it had Have impacted their mindset. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think I don't think it's about the other players. I think it's about opportunity that they're given by the coach and I don't think either any of them had much I thought well they got some playing time last year for sure. I mean not not long stretches. I mean, but look at look at look at look at what happened with carsen Edwards. He plays like the first five games of the season and then after that it was garbage time, right? There was no no role for him at all. You know, it was drive up to he's got a role right now to offer, you know, yeah. I mean, that's I mean, that's the thing you've got. I mean, I'm not saying anyone deserves a role without earning it you got to earn it and practice you get I just feel like when he got his opportunity off immediately was ready. Whereas I feel like last year that just wasn't the case. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it's a rookie. I think it takes time for Shooters. I don't think Shooters wage. I don't think that they're ready to go when you put them in the NBA game. I think there's you know, it's there's a whole bunch of reasons and you look a lot of Shooters. They don't walk in just lay them up. I'll tell you this. I totally not what they don't have opportunity. I still gotta have our have a Believer until they get opportunity. You can't really rely on any of these guys. Yeah, as you're getting something else other places, you're not getting it here in Boston because we're trying to win, you know, you're going to get opportunity in Sacramento. You didn't get opportunity Charlotte you get an opportunity and you know, these these places are getting in here Brad wants to wind man the selfish want to win games. That's the deal. I think your point is taken as well taken and I think Nesmith is going to work out just fine lots of effort on defense, you know, the shots starting to fall he's going to need some minutes to develop. It's the same issue though that we just talked about with brown and Tatum. There's just own no, Going to be you know, so much opportunity to develop certain players, but I just you know, I don't think we've seen guys leave the Celtics that didn't get ample opportunity that have wound up going, you know somewhere else and you know carving out solid minutes or Ian green would be an example going back aways but you know, I just don't I don't think Edwards ends up carving out this gigantic Tim Frazier like opportunity, you know, if he doesn't get one here, I just don't I personally don't see that in general but your points well-taken and I think that's the case for a lot of players and you know, we can go back to last season and talk about Romeo Langford who you know came in with an odd odd had to have a ping pong paddle attached to his hand and you know, all these things and all these challenges and then all of a sudden, you know, we're heading down the stretch and maybe even before they shut off. Down we started to see it and here's a guy who starts knocking down the three-pointer and playing really solid defense. But you know, as you know with teams, as you said Brad Stevens wants to win they win by getting guys to play solid defense and that's how they earn their minutes. You're not have had that conversation here before but somebody like like 4 a.m. And then all of a sudden he's hitting, you know big time 3-pointers in the corner and doing what he needs to do. I guess my thing is when are we going to see him because they're still guys off on this club who to your point about Carson Edwards are no longer, you know in their rookie year etcetera. There's a guy think, you know along with Nesmith two different types of skill sets that are probably actually quite complimentary would be great to see them, you know play off of each other, but is there any word on when we're going to see Langford? Well, he's working out pregame and I'm not sure. Is cleared fully for full-contact yet, but I don't think he's that far away. You know, my guess is he's not, you know, I think it's probably a matter of weeks not months, you know, I guess it will see him sometime in February with this. What do you think that's going to do to somebody like Nesmith because you talk about all they keep talking about is there's the guy who's shooting the three and busted the Zone down. You know, I don't think that's really Langford role. You know, where do those does he cut into social a who started to prove himself? Like where where do these Wing minutes come from home? You know, once once Lyford comes back. Well the thing that's you know, oh Chalet and and I would also say, you know, you're also probably looking at Javonte as well. I mean, that's both of those guys are probably going to see a cut or if not outright loss of all minutes, but probably more in Javonte space than anything, but you know, look, I I don't think age. That's a problem. Frankly. I mean that's you want to see you know, what that jab? Because you've got guys like green who probably can do some spot minutes, you know, if they have to walk through some injuries again, right and that's you know, the I think the thing is the difference now is those guys are going to the bench feeling good about themselves, right? You know, that's that's the thing is, you know, what you saw was some of these teams that have been deep that we've gone up against the past couple of years, whether it's you know, Miami or or or Milwaukee, you know, they the guys are coming in feel good coming in. I don't think the Celtics bench is really felt that way, you know, so if they can keep this train rolling for guys like shimmy ojeleye and Javonte who's using a lot of energy when he's out there, you know, if if Romeo can can somehow find some find a a lane and and kind of carve out a niche for himself, you know, that's the thing right so then Brad Has options we started this year probably the first eight ten games of this season, I'd say Brad had no options. I mean people are complaining about rotations. There's a lot of package for Brad Stevens. Well, even the Tyson Thomson experiment is born out of necessity. Although I think it's helped eyes. I think theis getting put into a spot where he needs to shoot to space. The floor has actually helped him be a more effective shooter and it may be that goes back to the cuz I mean I was it was killing me early, you know, I was like dude this guy is just not hitting the threes. It's painful. It's painful to watch I feel bad for and You know, but now it's like you can hit them. I think no, I think you're right. I think it was a lot of confidence issues. I mean how many times we see in passing up shots against Philly last year, you know or or Toronto in that playoff. I think that that's that's a big thing and let's here's the other piece of this right the Celtics are in a point where you know, if they're playing with the way they're playing either way, I think people are looking at this team they gotta be looking at where what's going to happen on the other conference. I mean, you gotta have an eye on that. I'm not saying that there are you know, you build to that but you get to have an eye on the other conference and anyone who saw that finals knows LeBron and AD you've got to be dealt with and you can't go small against unless you really can find a way to make those guys work on defense. And so I I understand why the Celtics are are really trying to make this double big lineup work. I get it. I get it now. You know, will it be still not going to work but hopefully the work better than right even try it. That's exactly right the more options the Brad has available to him. The benefit everyone is better off everywhere. You are you one hundred percent not maybe one hundred percent. But are you basically locked in on almost wage? Yeah, surely coming out of the West. Yeah, unless there's an entry. There's no other way anywhere else will I think I don't see Denver's not I don't think the Clippers I just Lakers are just playing so well, this is like it's like oh nine right now to me. This is like the Celtics in 09 where they came off that win and it just slipped. They've the Lakers, you know, they're just taking off where they where they left off in the finals. You know, the problem is is it's really hard to do that and this the way this calendar works it stops and wage. No, thirty-six-year-old LeBron James, you know at the day of us has had a history of injuries. I'm not rooting for injuries. I'm just saying like that. Yeah, it's always tentative without without with only one of those guys. That's he looks a lot different. So, you know, the Celtics were loose brown or lose Tatum it would be devastating but I think they'd have more of a chance to compete with relatively then if the Lakers were lose one of Le Bron ER EAD, then they're very different team. Yeah, but I don't see the Celtics going to the finals with one of those injuries, you know, I don't think either one they need to be 100% or not playing right? He can't be Middle Ground Kemba. Well, yeah, that's a great Point. Like honestly, that's all this stuff going on. I think that's the biggest that might be the biggest the biggest point of the last week the most the most part the best thing that could happen. Happened because the burst and the explosion that we saw in the first half of last year seems like it's back now. It's almost like I forgot it existed to be honest with you. I saw him without it so much and then we had that huge gap and so, you know, I know there's always a recency bias, but dude, I mean will it be back in a in a month? We don't know but it's back now and we hadn't we didn't see that at all in the bubble when he had a whole bunch of time off. So it looks like the the off the whatever the injection there. It is. The he got the good Kobe stuff from Germany or whatever it was. He looking good. It's gotta be stem cells last of them off. That's what we're calling it, right? Okay, cool sales stem cells steroids, baby. I'm happy with it. No bone on bone. We're in a good job. Cartilage. Yeah exactly. I'm supposed to be taken orally it right into the edge of so, yeah, I you know, that's why nobody cares a headful listeners that remember the bone on bone. We bring it up from time to time we do we do but that guy's not even working right now. And so who the heck knows what's going on? Yeah. I I I just I'm pumped I'm really pumped about Kemba. I think that's keeping him healthy keeping him looking like this camba keeping him fresh if they were checking, you know, and we we dodged a big boat with Pritchard because with Pritchard healthy, I certainly he'll be coming back and all that they can find time where they can rest Kemba, you know not dead. Worry about those back-to-backs not worry about all that cuz you still can throw a point guard in you know, maybe you bump smart over and all that but you know, you're not losing anything. You're not running just a Jeff Teague who just I don't know it's not there. You know what seriously what happened to him. But he I just I think he's just not found. I think you need a guy like him on your bench. You know, I think you need that. I think you need guys to fill you guys at all of a sudden shows up in the postseason when they totally totally yeah, I think yeah. Oh, yeah, you just it's not fallen for him. And I don't understand it. Like is he doing anything different than he used to just she was so weird and a lot of them are just kind of going into the room and came back out. I mean, there's some really sloppy stuff. That's that's occurring too, but he's obviously a volume guy and that's probably the biggest issue, you know is volume guys need volume to stay in a group home. And I'm not sure that he's getting enough Volume Night in and night out and I'm sure he's lost a step at 8:32 as well. But hopefully yeah, that's the thing to me is is his speed. He was a pretty quick player and it just didn't seem like he has that same that same burst, you know, but but the the good we gotta what kind of what kind of shock treatments can we give this guy? Yeah, right, but I'm okay with him being the back of the bench. I mean, we we clearly have that guy and Peyton Pritchard who can write ahead of them is version seen totally so, you know the more guys I'm not saying you want to fill out your bench with a bunch of Jeff teague's, you know at different positions, but there's value to happen veterans on this on this bench who are providing staged, you know wisdom and could come in and give you a couple of minutes maybe but really they're not the basis of your team. You know, you've got young players like Pritchard or like oh Chalet or like Javonte or or Romeo who stepped up and they're your players who you're relying upon. That's to me. That's the ideal World for for for Danny's um for Brad Stevens. All right. I think we're just about at the end of the show. Do you want to talk about NBC sports or not? You can go ahead over. Well, I don't know like what happens at this point. What do you mean? Like what happens at this point? What do you mean? You mean now? They're closing the Gap national network you mean? Yeah. Yeah, is it just everything becomes originally owned? And that's that what has been I mean the idea that the closing down the national network the idea is to move everything to Peacock or two, you know USA or I don't think that's going to change the the regional Sports Nets because they're still not wholly owned by NBC. They're still local ownership of the Celtics own a good part of NBC Sports Boston. So I don't think that that's going to impact the city, you know, maybe I totally understand it, but it's really hoping it would impact the blackout stuff, you know, or why not. Just let me get a subscriber. Action from the local network and pay for it. You know what I mean? Stop limiting me. Yeah, I want to see all I want to see the NBC Sports Boston programming outside of New England and I can't you can't get it without an illegal feed, you know, even even when I Got YouTube TV. It's like they're making me be locked into this Philadelphia market and it's like I don't I didn't grow up here. This is I'm not I'm not washed. Let me just let me tell the people who are in charge of this stupid asinine stuff. Yeah them. You're not making me watch the pre-and-post games show on NBC Sports Philly. I'm not watching it, you know, so you're not getting more viewers you're getting less viewers or you're getting the same amount of viewers, but you're getting less viewers in another Market. I mean are they really worried that there's going to be like they're going to steal fans from Philly to start watching this content. You know in Boston it just it makes me bananas dude. Why can't I subscribe to that Network and get their programming and I can't do it. I can't do it off. That's that's foolish. I mean, maybe you're going to tell me I'm not missing anything but like every once in a while, I see our friend old friend Chris forsberg, you know doing there like a game at Halftime. We're going to go talk to you know, what Abby and perk you know, and I don't get to see that I gotta watch, you know the halftime show which is so stupid wage is so stupid. Yeah, I would I would probably say we've we are it's less impactful than ever. The the good times are not quite as good as they used to be but Yeah scowl scowl has has really created a lot of hate and discontent out there in the Twitter world and I kind of agree with a lot of it. He's really wage. This is a moment really without Tommy that stuff. You know, I think we're all looking missing Tommy and what he provided but you know the Thousand does and what scale is doing and I think that that's been probably the biggest story so far this year is just scalley kind of being times antagonist it towards a b not really understanding what that's about just seems kind of bizarre and have coffee together on Facebook. Right? Right, and I don't know if you thinks it's money or it just comes off like a real real a whole. Well, it's all the manufactured drama stuff. You know what I mean? They yeah, they could even be coordinating it, you know, the network could be saying dead. You know, this is kind of what we need. And so, you know abeyance Cal, you know, kind of work it out. Somebody's gotta be a bad guy right or or something. We got maybe we need some negative attention, you know, who knows? What can we go? I'm not accusing the network of doing that. I'm just saying there are lots of reasons in today's media that those kinds of things happen and they may not be true. I'm sure that scowl is plenty of asshole in him, but it may not simply be him being an asshole there. There could be a lot of ratings manufacturing a strategy strategic jury going on there. Right right the teacher. Yeah. Exactly. No, I yeah, I I there's certainly reasons why it makes sense. I just thought as well. Well might explain it. They've dollars-and-cents. How about that? All right. I yeah, I I but it's it's not an enjoyable job. It's just say that and you know, I just think that with Tommy's absence they needed to find a way to change scallops roll just a little bit off now looking for Johnny most but you know, there's this idea that somehow there's there's a it's it's tainted to be a homer but you know, that's those were watching along and help me out and nobody out of your region can watch it. Anyway, you know, if the whole business model is to force people should be a fan. Why would you be a chump? Why wouldn't you be, you know a homer and lead the charge in in that way. I don't even doesn't even line up dude. Yeah. I know. Why are you being antagonistic when you're trying to brainwash a region to follow your team? Well, that's that's the thing. That's the that's the whole thing to me is like this is this is your audience off. Making them hate you really is not making people want to watch the games people want to like the people who are calling the games and there's no problem on that. To spend how many hours I think about it? It's what what a half hours Acclaim and let's say you only watch you know sixty games right? How many hours of viewership is that? It's two hours * 620 hours plus another 30. It's a hundred and fifty hours of viewing time. How many days is that? If you were actually it's six days out of seven days right seven days of your life. You are spending as if you weren't sleeping, you know, that's not even waking days. That is 7 full days no stage of your life that you're spending with these people. Why would you want to be better especially in a world? That is just so many other great reasons to be better. Like we're looking for escape in this give us the Escape wage and give us a reason to have a smile on the evening for god sakes. That's right. And I and I don't you know, Mike Gorman is you know, there's a lot of fans on that's too big for the light government of this show and have been for many many years and that nothing's changed in that regard but somehow the Celtic Sea to find a way or I should say selling broadcast. He's a fine a way to kind of get the scale and just say look man, we gotta we gotta find a way to make you a little bit more likable here because I want to give him a shot. I want him to have an opportunity here. I'm not but man, it's Yeah, it just it also it feels like it's the skull show to be honest, you know, they used to have and maybe some other funny in one basket, right? Yeah. Yeah and if when that's that that cables not working out for you. It's a lot of you know, they have this they have this thing in the in the post game and the pregame where you know, they bring in Tom Giles in for like just one little hit to talk about betting odds. It's just it's very disjointed. I don't understand it. I miss the old, you know weird Celtics Twitter stuff that they did I you know, look I never could make any of those memes or anything like that. But damn, I mean that was fun good stuff. It was organic. It felt natural and it just right now, it's it's just not safe scared dude everybody. Yeah. Everybody is scared for a lot of reasons in our society and they're scared for their jobs and their you know that there's just there's a lot of odd Dynamics. Yeah, probably coming to play that song. You know, it's unfortunate because this is you know, the league got this product back on the court and it really should be an escape. And with that I'm escaping this topic off the show that's good do it for this week's show as a reminder. You can follow Celtic stuff live on iTunes Stitcher Google podcasts in Spotify. We certainly appreciate a rating review because your feedback is important to the show and for John and myself just want to thank you for listening to this week's episode of Celtic stuff live.

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621: Eastern Conference Final Preview for Procrastinators

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621: Eastern Conference Final Preview for Procrastinators

"Off the subject stuff lot with your host Justin Bieber John do welcome to Celtic stuff live on the ceiling test media network of the leading online provider for your Boston Celtics coverage in the post-season in the Eastern Conference Finals facing Miami. We haven't even had a chance to get with you all and talk about game 7, I believe our last show was after game 6, and we're all into game one of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Miami Heat went to overtime the last time we talked to you. We were in double overtime and not very happy and I'm not really all dead. Happy with game one either John but the end of the day as much as I was complaining about manufactured Drama by the NBA the last time you and I were here I got to put this one on the Celtics. I mean, it sucks and it's not I still think there is an issue if Miami gets his way down in the fourth quarter and all of a sudden would like what eight minutes to go there in the bonus. I mean, that's there's a little fishy and I feel like Miami was allowed to be a lot more physical in this game. But at the end of the day was Celtics had it coming when they weren't moving the ball and not work moving off the ball if that's how you're going to end a game. You should expect a list. Yeah, I mean they look I mean you called it and on Twitter and I think twice you know, yeah board self out. I mean, how many different times can you can you go to the end with zero movement? Absolutely zero movement. And the thing was it must have been something that the the team was game-planning. I would think I would hope or expect it to do that as consistently as they did to just simply have no movement and just you know, ball-screen ball-screen ball screen just over and over and not playing into the Trap when they let kambo just pound the shit out of the ball and like he gets to hand off then he doesn't go anywhere and then the double comes which is fine if he wants to draw that and then they kick out a pass and everybody's moving so they find the open man, but they literally he doesn't move then he gets into trouble then he's 2 / nobody's moving which means they know exactly where they're going to go when they come off of the double and recover. It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. It's so disappointing. Like I literally saw somebody and I think it was a joke and there were like, seriously as Brad Stevens on the hot seat, you know what I mean forgetting fired after this game and I don't want to say but there's any legitimacy to that because and you know how I feel about Brad but as much as he yelled at some of the players in a Timeout Danny Ainge should be up his ass tomorrow up his ass. Well, I don't know. It's I don't I don't know. I'm not I'm not I'm not going there yet. I mean, I think I mean sometimes there is a month to it than that. I mean I don't we don't know what Jalen status is. I mean there's I really like to know a lot more about what's going on with Jaylin because I mean they replaced that were made today, but it felt like sneak them in the corner. A lot of it was the keys your brown often seem to be playing for him. You know, he and smart just in the corner and I don't know what that's about. I mean, it just seems like there's a whole lot more you get out when your team is has such an advantage at certain positions on the floor in particular against guys like hero, you gotta take advantage of those. Why don't you seeking those situations out as opposed to trying to run pick-and-roll pick-and-roll pick-and-roll between you know, Kemba and and Tatum over and over and over again when they're putting their lives with the role never paying off. The never go inside on the role. I mean a lot of the inside planes were literally Wanamaker driving it right up the gut or it's on put bags and and you know, it's nice to see that they weren't getting their ass kicked on the boards. And I thought that that was boating really well in the first half house. They they're not giving up a lot of second-chance points there fighting for it off and I saw the grit in the hustle. I just I just really really did especially because the game was so up-tempo, but then all of a sudden they just stopped doing it and they weren't moving off the ball. See I hear what you're saying about smart and brown, but it wasn't that way the whole game and there's really no significant incident that would say that Jalen was somehow hurt. I mean that took me is I just remember when he knife through the defense in the first half beautiful boy. I honestly just think that they put the ball and Walkers hands too much because I think the idea was dead. Let's get Walker out of his Funk and they were basically going to let him shoot his way out of it. And it was a stupid game plan stupid game plan. Well, I yeah, I think as you said it wasn't the game plan throughout so at some point something changed that they decided they were going to seemingly take advantage of Kemba on those guys. I did get that way. I'll make sure that nothing changed. It was consistently unsuccessful. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah, but I mean look, I mean Kemba Campbell is your score. I mean Kemba on campus going campus is good as long but you got so I mean, it's not like we're trying to get you know, Brad Wanamaker going here. I mean, it makes sense and and to use him to there's no way his size that can get him on that team. You know, I mean if he's Kemba there's nobody that can defend him everything even Jimmy Butler would would be you know, if he kept his ability bam had success dead. Cunningham the guy who block Statham they fought to finally pay them went to the rim, but I don't know either they were ready for it or whatever, you know, and then obviously it was almost dead. It was a spectacular play though. I love to play call. I was so sick, but that was it was like a play call way too late just way too late wage because they weren't even in they weren't even in the bonus at the end of the fourth quarter. I mean honestly like the fact that that wasn't happening so much sooner and then my mom Siam e was just giving so much of an opportunity to just keep staying, you know in the zone and if they went to the room and slowed things down a little bit got a little rest of, you know, got ready to play some defense. I just think that that they really could have staved this one off and because their offense was such crap and no effort to move. No effort to get to the rim that you I knew where this was going new. Were they supposed to go? Yeah, you know, I'm actually going to put more more emphasis on the defense to be honest with you. I mean, yes, it was there for them and they could have had it but there were so many instances where Miami got on runs in this game because of poor communication defensively a lack of effort. You know, how many street-smart open out of his role like he's been dominated was great, but he made so many stupid decisions. Once he got super hot. He thought I'm going to be like, you know, James Harden all of a sudden and then in the second half. He doesn't even make that E-ZPass to Brown like their heads are up there but stood for sure. I almost think here's the one promising Thursday and happens with this team over and over and over and one of the strengths and the bubble that you and I talked about no travel one day off one day on just enough rest but never enough for em, They get pulled out of their element three days off might have been a bad thing for this team. Well, I think and I think Miami getting seven days off, you know, I think particular that first quarter Thursday, they showed that, you know Boston did seem to have a little bit more momentum to them and then when Miami kind of found it's found its legs a little bit. I guess the second quarter that's when things kind of went off the rails a bit. I thought for the Celtics and you know, I know the lead again in the fourth quarter in can hold it so they build the lead twice and let it slip away. And I but I think that that's the again I think those the slipping away part. I mean it was I think it was it was brain-dead behavior on both sides, right? It was it was poor offense not dictated by grave offense mind you it was Poor Dad Poor offense poor offensive execution for defense of execution. And that's why you know, despite all of that. You know, really the cell is dead. One this game tonight. I mean they they they played a team. They only they don't go and turn over 12 times a team that shot. Let's see forty seven percent from the field 44% from through, you know, you're going to and they made and they got the line 28 times. I mean, that's that's a recipe for losing right there. I mean, there's just that's just not going to be a situation. They have like a crazed 32 assists on on 40 made baskets. I mean, that's nuts. That's a nuts percentage a great good for them for moving the ball. But like look the Celtics were out of position. And what were their heads were on a swivel all the time. They had no idea where they were going. They were not talking. They were not on a string to me that defensive effort is what opened up holes that Miami capitalize on over and over and over again and and it wasn't it wasn't really hero and it wasn't really Duncan Robinson. It was you know, as Goran dragic easy easy drive single-lane. It was yep. Crowder's open a few times. He's 549. I don't think he hit five 3-pointers at eight point. It's all this career in one game, but he hit it tonight. So look, I just to me until this issue to be an opportunity game to we're going to see what's going to happen here. Can Brad Stevens get their heads straight, you know, can they get a game plan now, they know what Miami's going to try to do they see in the zone, you know these things now can they get their their heads rate? Because you know, I don't know if their heads were swimming after you know the game on Friday night, but they got to turn around and get gain. Mm. That's that's that's an important win right there. They cannot go down too. Well. No, it's a must-win. It's an absolute must-win. That's it. That's it. Yeah, it's a must-win. They can't go down to I mean the fortunately there's not really a home in a way but they can't go down to they can't be in the position. Toronto was in because they're not going to get the luxury that Toronto got and Miami just be Milwaukee. So you let them up to without level of confidence this teams and I don't mean to make an issue of age because they're playing way wiser beyond their years most nights, but this team is too young to come back from being down. Oh to to a team that just be the favorite to go to the finals is a total Underdog Dark Horse type of candidate for the for the championship. They're just hungrier and let him we had that kind of confidence with a with a guy like Jimmy Butler leading the way with you know, his experience. Yeah, it's bad. It's going to be bad. You know, I'm not I know I am I'm not as well. We've seen this happen. So let's drop game one Milwaukee drop game one against to sell this one every game after that. You know, there's lots of Series where we've seen that happen. They lose game one and never lose another game or only dropped one more and I don't think the Celtics can play worse. Do you I don't think it gets any worse than this and they went to overtime. Yeah, I think I think that's exactly right to me the the the talent and the and the you know is all on Boston, you know, if the Celtics play and they don't have those lapses offensively and defensively I think they win this game. I think they I think they win. They I think they beat the Miami Heat game if we're going to talk about, you know predictions about you know, what's the series going to come to and all this, you know to me the Celtics in spite of all this still look like a better team they still look like they're deeper team and there were better jaman and team when they got out of the gate it's just they didn't finish that they got see they got arrogant really if you look at the way that they took that first quarter there was a huge amount of arrogance because of the start but once they get the fifteen point lead in the fourth quarter, I don't think it was the arrogance that killed them off. Wash their Mojo and at the same time, you know again, Miami be able to go to the line and the Celtics just not knowing you know how to keep manufacturing offense. And that's really an error area. I don't think there's anything wrong with Jaylen Brown. I just think he's getting left out and they'd better wisen the hell up because yeah, there's a couple of times he went up to the rim and he got fouled and he didn't get the call and then they never sent him to the room again and see that's where they make strategic mistakes all the time. Yeah. You don't get the first call how many how many times is I bitching about a call? And then there was a makeup call immediately afterwards, you know in the favor of the Celtics like actually feel like at the end of the day is frustrating as it was from Miami to have you know, the ability to be in the bonus. I don't think the Celtics force the issue, you know in jail and should have kept attacking the rim eventually he's going to get the call. They're not going to keep not calling it watching Em. Get his ass into the ground and be like, yeah. No, it's perfectly Fair know everything's fine. You know what I mean? But they go that you never saw him go to the room again after that non-call. He gets hammered lamb ground. No call never goes to the room. Again. That's a problem. They'll benefit greatly if Hayward can even come back whatsoever. You know, you talk about the depth Advantage, but they also ought to have Kemba Walker off the floor and his great believe me Gotta Throw major positives towards Grant Williams and towards at Wanamaker especially but yeah, but but if you have Hayward out there and you're given Campbell a lot more rest and you've got a see here's the problem with wash sure they're not respecting him. But if you had Hayward out there, they respect him and that would make things easier for Walker. We saw lots of time with Walker and want to make her out there at the same time, but they just suck. And respect want to make sure the way they would Hayward. Yeah, I mean, I think he's earning a little bit. I mean certainly 11 points tonight six assists. I mean, that's a in 24 minutes. That's that's really impressive good on good on Brad. I mean just having a great run here since the the Toronto series the start of this one of the series at least when he had some some pretty bad turnovers, but I think yeah, he's he's doing a great job in the fact, you know, when they went went ice fouls out Brad's the first guy they called now, that's probably a you know, I think that was kind of figure things out a bit. I like a small I like that they went small one. That's highway I do but I think that Grant was the better choice. I'm not really sure what in that situation why you'd but but I guess they were thinking off defense maybe or something, but either way I think both guys have earned a spot but but boy, you know, I think it a game like this someone to move. All someone to draw some defensive attention, you know Hayward was one could really be useful in this game and had courses when they go to the Zone all the more important to be able to send him to the middle and have them make decisions. I mean, I think that's that's obvious there. But I really don't think the Zone really messed with them too too much. You know what they have to do. Well, I think it was just bad best spot on the floor exposed best spot on the floor for Walker exposes The Zone and I'm not even sure they were in a Zone when he shot it down two or three times, but just that long mid-range jumper, you know, and that's like the one thing he can't hit a 3-pointer to save his damn life. But boy, he looks smooth every time he hits that mid-range and he should have been searching for that more. I think it would have helped him build his confidence if he kept hitting those and it would have, you know, eliminated the Nick nurse zone game strategies. Against the Celtics. It's almost like a god in their heads. Right like oh man, here comes the Zone again. Let's not screw this up and and they're perfectly fine to attack the zone now. I mean, it's not yeah South Miami is not the defensive team that Toronto is but bam is a different look and definitely, you know does help make that zone still quite effective. But but really it's not the same and the Celtics probably should have gone more for those mid ranges and we didn't see it really almost almost just a very Cavalier casual and kind of crazy offense tonight and and that's where like sky's the limit and then when you see the defensive mistakes that they have not been making in the postseason to your point like again, I just can't see them any worse. I guess the bigger question is can you see Miami getting better than they play tonight? Well, I mean definitely Duncan Robinson, you know, obviously in the foul trouble and he was not able to log To play the minute you normally would but is he really going to shoot better than five from 9 from three-point land, you know, I mean probably not I know that she'll be better. He might play more minutes I might but but yeah, he good are you I mean chances are you're more likely to see, you know, Duncan Robinson with a 22-point outing, you know, then then you are young Jae Crowder. But so what I mean, so, you know, I think that there that's definitely possible. I thought there was some some easy looks that ban was was getting the kind of messed up but you know, and you're you're always stand the opportunity for Kelly Olynyk to step up and and have some big minutes but I don't think you know, the really the match up was there for me. I think the Celtics did a good job and trying to make sure that price was on the floor when Olynyk was out there and then, you know trying to use if you're going to have Rob Williams minutes you're going to use them when bands out there, so you're not you're not strange. Three-point line nearly as much so I thought generally The Bigs did pretty well in this game, you know, and I thought really went ice came out it did hurt them largely because they weren't using Grant at all offensively to allow, you know, somebody like bam to be able to slide over and take that block away. You know, it was you know, what your 2005 it's it's a lot easier to to defend that. So yeah, I I don't really see a lot. I mean Jimmy only had 20 points fourteen. He was seven or fourteen, you know, two or three from 3 a.m. Got the line six times. There's certainly more offense there than Jimmy can bring to the table, you know, it's my points in. You know, I think that's an okay. It's not great. It's okay, but in terms of what the need to do, that's the type of game he needs to have 25 and five, you know with gave the line and shoot a high-paying job. And that's really all you need from him. If you're going to do that. You're playing good defense. You're probably going to be in a good position at the end. So the guy who's totally past the Celtics gave up on him because they wanted to go after Hayward that offseason. We got all excited form in March. I certainly did Jae Crowder 22 points off boy. Does he just want to stick it to the Celtics or what? He has got such a vendetta 549. He shoots nearly 56% from three-point land KO in this game. It's the Celtics fault. They left him wide open in the corner countless times and I'm just I'm not even used to seeing that like without a closeout. It's one thing if he's hitting the shot and he's getting closed out on you know, I mean look at all the Jaylen Brown Closeouts even on that game 3 loss or game game for no. It was Game 3 the game 3 loss would half a second job. I mean Jalen was all over that place was just huge hit a big shot, but that's not the case for most of Crowders offense just being completely left alone. But what a smile on his face man. Yeah, we better can he put are you expecting 22 points in 549 from 3 a.m. Crowd or the rest of the series? I mean as much as I said Duncan was limited, you know, his crowd are going to keep doing this. I mean look know I think you know right now so he gets twenty-two Donkey Kong at 6, and Harrow gets gets 12. So if you're getting 40 points from the three of them that seems reasonable, you know, you know, ten ten ten fifteen fifteen. Yeah, that's your life about what you're going to get. You know, I don't think that's crazy. I think 29 from Goran dragic is the real problem, you know to me the issue in this game, you know, I totally agree with Bob How looked and looked offensively at the end and there were times in the middle as well that I think this is emblematic of but to me the issues that this team ran into is what Goran dragic to them in the middle of the game where there was a second quarter or or you know, the fourth quarter when all those you know, situations cropped up dragash was the one I think that that was the Catalyst for a lot of this stuff that happened and you know how many times you know, the miscommunications and he he jumps on it like that. He's the one that draws the six foul entice, you know, I mean all of those situations it was absolutely Lowry ask to see him out there and and making all these decisions too me too sexy to have a better game plan for going Roggin she gave to like that's to me that's really more important than even dealing with Jimmy Butler in a way because well, Jimmy is strong and tough and all those things. He's a matter of fact. He's an offence he kind of is dead. It is he he's a very talented player. Maybe he's not a mass. Maybe he's not a mass as much as he's messy, but he does hit that big 3-pointer. But because he's just loaded with God has more things that you can I think the songs have more answers I guess is what I'm saying. Yeah, I agree with the post and throw more at him and that's not as I'm not mean that his disrespect towards Jimmy month. But what I'm saying is that that he is a guy who seemingly to me is great in the big moments always I'm not just saying that cuz of tonight and I think the lack of support that out his career is born that out but it's it's those druggist goes back and sees Jalen entice arguing about whatever and then you know, he finds this guy or you know, oh, no one's got me. I'm just going to drive in, you know, I mean, it's those types of stuff those types of situations that I think are the ones that killed the Celtics tonight 29 Points and thirty eight minutes three four years. From 3. I mean that was you know, he didn't make the big baskets near the end. But to me, he was a reason why that game was close, you know to be even in a position where we're talking about this if he's done doing those things since win this game by yeah. Yeah and time at all. Yeah, I would agree with that and you know type off not being able to you know fouling out was definitely a factor not the end-all be-all but he's a plus twelve everybody else on the Celtics was a negative except Tatum and he was only a plus three and and this was a three-point game. Think about that in a three-point game. Every Celtic was in the negative except for today. It was only + 3 + taste was + 12. So that says a lot especially when you consider the match up against autobio is definitely in Bam's favor in terms of athletes. Says I'm so tight his stat line pretty much garbage. But if we're going to look at a stat line Jayson Tatum game, one of the Eastern Conference Finals 30 points 14 rebounds five assists three steals to blocks. The only thing you really want to criticize them on is 10 of 24 from the field and not as much activity hitting the wrong only for for 12 from from Beyond The Arc so but that stat line is yeah. You can't I don't think to me. That's fine. I think you get back 40% from the field, you know, you'd like to make a few more your threes, but, you know even walk or don't the two men gain more. That's the thing that also blows my mind. If you're going to put the ball and wash hands. How come the two of them are instead of just spacing away from each other and one of them Shades away and the other ones the ball-handler like why can't they get something going together? I don't understand that. Well, I thought that they were dead. Do I thought that was kind of where where they were the the end of the game was trying to doing it? Well, I don't yeah, I'm not sure just because you're on the ark and they're passing the ball back and forth from three steps back does not mean all they're doing is waiting to see who can make the exploit the the double for a 3-pointer. You know what I mean? There's gotta be more action than that. Well, yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that but going back to earlier Point not to jump back too much but you know talking about theis. What do you think happens in that last month in jail? It went when Tatum gets the ball going entices in the game. What do you think? He's doing to to be a model bio? You know as well as I motioned him off the block or the shading over and he's waiting for the past from Tatum to throw down. The alley, oop like he did in the waning seconds against her off. Well, I think I think it's the the time to tie seal and and it's a wide-open done. You know, I mean, that's the thing is like that's you lose Tice. This is which is what you know, the situation fight. It's a really good point. You know, but look I think Tatum did you know, I thought his defense, I mean that the plan Jimmy Butler frankly was he did all he could I mean there's not much more about situation could argue wasn't a foul too quite frankly, but anything about a foul I thought that was bogus. I thought that was a hundred bogus, but the Celtics can't complain because they got away with a bullish vowel that ties up the game, you know, or at least maybe it's not bulshit, but it's I mean, come on really like I just don't think you make that call and then the Celtics, you know, Tatum goes hits a free throw ties the game and then they waste the final possession, which is just so idiocy to me that was probably the most frustrating things. They got a gift and then they squandered it, you know, just trying to just Jake's going up God that's frustrating last question for you. And then you know, I I want to I want to pose some predictions for the rest of the series and haywards return but the last song Question is when the defense was sucking so bad and they couldn't get inside. Why not even just a test run for 3 minutes of Cantor and I do not understand that. I definitely understand the Williams. He's earned it. But what I don't understand is when they can't get the ball inside and why not, you know bam is super athletic but we're talking a little old-school a little jump hook lots of length and maybe an opportunity when you're just going to jack shots from outside. Why not get some offensive rebounds and some second chancers like Jaylen Brown put back. I really I understood why no cancer in the Toronto series, but when everything was going wrong in this game and you brought in all these different people and the defense wasn't communicating. Well, anyway, I just don't understand why you don't give can or a shot. Well, I think it's defensively, you know, let's say anything you don't already know. But I mean that when they're already being bad. Yeah, but I mean that was epically bad against Toronto and and and Miami's Leia, you know set up not on like, you know, Toronto's the such that you know, their bigs so mobile and so so so switchable and so flexible that it just it's terrible for him. You know, if the soul is the Celtics go in and play the Lakers you're going to see a lot of Canada, you know, if they can get by this if they go up against nuggets there you're going to see a lot of kannur but you know in a game like this go and Dragons doing what he did against, you know tights and and whoever else I shudder to think what he would have done with cancer out there, you know, it would have been just like Lowry and Van Fleet lighting up Tanner. I think probably in game, you know being three years. Which eventually got them going and and kind of reignited the series in a way. You gotta make that move when Robinson is out, right? You gotta make that wage. Yeah, that's what you know, yeah, you gotta you gotta sneak it in there to Stave off their little comebacks with guys on the bench, right the minute log cabins and goes down. You gotta go to kannur especially because that was the stretch when the defense was really breaking apart. They're so all right, let's let's go to let's go to a couple of predictions and wrap it cuz I have a feeling we'll be back sooner than later. Let's talk about when we think Hayward will hit the floor which game to 34805. You know that kind of thing. Right? Right. So I think if my math is correct and it probably isn't but let's just say it is 4 a.m. Weeks was Sunday since the injury. So that means now that you know, there are already at the within the four to six week window Thursday. We're now we're days into that and whatever that means we saw him shoot around Friday right hard workout. No practice on Monday. Yep, he's out of it. You know, he's obviously he's out of the quarantine. He's doing all that. He's not yet practice. I think that's the issue. I think until you see them go through a full practice. He's not going to play bass which game I'm Singing Tree. I need to use the one he's out there when you really nice to have him in game two, but it would almost look like a move of desperation and they're much wage better. Like you said he might even play he might even be a practice tomorrow, but I don't think we I don't if we do see him in game two, they'll have a big lie dead. And you know not totally put away but a fairly comfortable one. He'll have practice tomorrow at least tomorrow and compared to when we were recording this and depending on what you're listening but will say Tuesday was game one Wednesday if he's at practice if they're up big in game two, I can see them put them out there just because it's another practised kind of you know, but maybe five minutes, you know, just a little shake the rust off see the speed of the game... He goes to practice on Friday and then Saturday night wage game 3, that's when you know, he really gets a crack and and I I kind of think at this point you might even get back into the starting rotation if they feel like he's good. They could always do a quick hook and put smart back in and I advocated against that recently, but now I'm advocating for it after watching this game one. I would say yeah, I don't think if he's active feel play a significant number of minutes. I don't think they'll activate him cuz I think that they'll want to hang out is made the healthy bodies on the roster as they can who can who can play, you know, legitimate minutes. So I don't think they'd go like a short run but I think that if he's there. He will he'll be on the hill play. I don't think they'll start I think they're going to keep keep smart the starting role. I think they like where they are right now smart is probably one of the few guys who took out strong, you know to start games and and kind of shot well early so, you know, I don't think they will I don't want to mess with that. He's really on a good run right now. I'm going to go the other way to change it. I would rather have a word. Yeah, you sit wait and by this time and then you can you can limit as minutes a little bit better coming off the bench then when you start then you're you know this month. The it's a little bit harder to back up the week. Here's the issue. Here's the issue. They can't rely on Cambodia to maintain the bench unit offense and they're going to need five minutes from Tatum and he's going to need a breather while he's playing big minutes. I did the thing about Hayward is especially if you're going to put the ball in in Walkers hands is dead. Hayward is much better out there with that group because the responsibilities are lesser and we even saw this when you first was coming back from injury and really didn't have the physical lift and yet wage, you know, it doesn't hurt that he doesn't hurt them offensively because he can get into good position to make plays even if even if athletically and reaction time isn't quite there, and even on the defense, I don't think that he'll I mean obviously he's a major drop off from smart, but I think that that second unit when they start bringing in the reserves and God knows why they wage Three reserves on the floor at the same time in the second quarter of this game, but I think that's a major issue and I think I think it's a quick I think they start Hayward but it's a quick hug and you put in smart and then smart sticks in there for the early minutes of that bench unit, you know go into the bench and then they can start rotating the starters back in again. I think a word comes in at the completion of that rotation. So I don't think Hayward gets a lot of minutes but I think he starts cuz I think they bounce it balances out that bench damp. But if you were to bring Hayward in to sort of dictate that offense is Rusty as he is and be the the person who really lifts the second unit. I just don't think that's there or at least not in the first game so well, yeah, I that's true. I think right putting pairing him with Kimba makes the most sense, you know, rather than than having him work with work with Tatum or or I think I'm not sure. I I think that's where I'd go either I think birth. Is a YC you'll have him have him come in at the benches. I like the idea of getting paid him out early seen him saved a slow starter. He just always has been for whatever reason and so I would love to see them take take take them out early get you know go with you know, Hayward, you know and have him, you know kind of be in there and then you go take him with the bench. It's you know with Wanamaker and you know, Rob Williams or whatever rule, you know, smart back in or what have you and then I think you kind of, you know you then you're into you know, those kind of Kemba and Hayward minutes, you know, at the end of the you know, end of the core, you know middle of the quarter, you know, kind of in the second quarter cuz I think that's the to me like those are the two that need to come together. You know, I mean, can handle it all that but I'm not moving the ball well enough and it's kind of getting stuck a little bit. So getting stuck, you know, you know, I also think Jalen in Hayward have had shown some nice chemistry too, so it would be dead. Maybe you find a way to get deal and going I I'm kind of frost. That's probably the big I have dominated. He was in Toronto. How come he's not more dominant? Yeah, and it wasn't following for him. He got shots, but he just wasn't in the flow, but that has everything to do with the fact that nobody was moving into gotta move for Jalen to be effective. Even I mean just giving in that pass and on the cut like I you know, it was funny because he's the only one going into the paint. They just clapped three people on him. He took lots of contact many times, you know, but then because he's driving one on Three the officials just don't respect him, right that's issue. And and so all they do is swallow up the middle as soon as I see him go and that's because there's no ball movement. It's so predictable. It's such a mess. Let's make our promotions and close this one out. I hope to come back in a better mood on the next one cuz I wasn't even on a good mood in a good mood on the last one. So we've got game too is going to be Thursday. A game three is going to be Saturday. I think we'll probably be back before game for rather than afterwards. So let's just make predictions for game two and three knowing that Hayward situation that we're both predicting he comes back for the Saturday game. What are you saying happens in the next two games? The next two games I think that they actually end up with two Celtics wins. I think it's always going to win games to a game three. I I think that the Celtics are the better team either they're come up with a much better plan here in game two. I'm I'm very bullish on the Celtics chances here and their next game. I think they're going to come out on a roll out fire much like game five. Really. I think that they're going to see this is they've let this one slip away much like they let you know for game for Toronto kind of beat them off and you know left that game slip away. I think they're going to also view this game as well that they should have had reviewed focused Renewed Energy, you know, even game seven for that matter really am I'm I'm very bullish on their winning the next to and going up to 100 a split. I think they win game two. I think Gordon comes back for game three, like we said, I think it gets A little disjointed. I think they're much more likely to win games to four and five because I think it's highly likely that this series goes seven cuz you know how they do and then you still got you know, a late start out. You know this we got one game in the books Denver's, you know, having a crack at the Clippers, you know, as we speak as we're aboard. I think we were early second-quarter and they were within 5 Denver down to the clippers, but you know, it's going to be and it's going to be at least two days before they before they start that series which is my prediction, but we'll see. So you're the Celtics are basically going to be up ahead. I mean the Celtics and Miami are going ahead at least one game in the series. And so I I think I think this one goes seven and I say the Celtics win to four or five and seven so dead. That's why I think there's a split in the next two. I don't think anybody wins back. I think the Celtics win back-to-back and four and five the NBA loves it to go 7 once it's a 3-2. They give Miami maybe another one just like we saw in game six of the last areas and then then we go to 7, so I say a split if we don't make it on the airwaves, so to speak live to tape by get a name for your saying the Celtics take the next to you. Might as well. Do you think they go up 3-1 they win three in a row or just game for in your mind the 222. I think I think Miami wins game four and then as crazy as this sounds Boston wins five and six so you think they win lose one win to lose one win too. I think that's the Assumption Song on how much better the Celtics are than you know, Miami in general talent-wise, you know, you would expect that. They would win two two. They're one but Miami played them Tough All Season and and dead. You know the NBA's rebuilding they're going to be there might as well get an extra game out of it. I think it goes 7, I'll go into four or five at 7. I know I know I knew you'd you'd go there wage. I think I think the solid some other than the bubble game actually improve their philosophy. It's all v o I just I do remember to go there and say that it was it was like, you know, I can't argue with it. I mean if the game six how could any bus argue with with what the league is capable of right? I mean jeez Louise you get every month. There's no way we any of us could say like on give me a break, you know, there's no way I mean, oh absolutely man. I totally buy into it to say and it's just I just think that way that they're going to you know, they're going to you think they're going to bounce back and then they're going to be bullish about getting too and and showing Miami what they're made of. Yep. There's a little overconfident callback. Factor that I think they might have to shake off. That's my only thing. I think this was I think this was that game. I think this was the game that shake it off. You know, I think this is the one that's say. Hey, yo guys this is it cuz if they go down too, well, we better hope for game seven cuz it just depends. It just depends if in their head they were executing the gameplan and hey, we were closed and we went to overtime, you know and just missed that one, you know, sometimes that false optimism, you know, they don't quite learn the less. They should they should take this one as insulting. I'm just not so sure that they will that's going to be the test. Basically that goes where they win games to four or five and seven then my prediction about them not quite taking this loss as hard as they should is probably true and I think you're absolutely right. If this was less than learned, you know, especially, you know, Kemba said I've just I've been playing horrible life. Admitted it in the post-game. So it's also on Kemba. Like are you going to be the playmaking Kemba or you going to be the pound the ball through the floor Kemba and and so I am very interested to see if this ball whips around for an entire forty eight minutes or shed. I'll take 40 minutes like it did it the first, you know, twelve minutes maybe not Pack 12, maybe the first eight minutes of this game then after that pretty much gone. So what do you say John rabbit? Rabbit, baby? Let's get out of here. Let's get back here for home after game for maybe and we can really talk about the Celtics ready to lock this thing down. 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