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Bob Dylan: About Man and God and Law 05: Love

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Bob Dylan: About Man and God and Law 05: Love

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But you don't need to leave your house to register to get voting impo just head to head Count Dot Org. And I'll see you at the polls. Ya. Bring from new. Star. Villain was a revolutionary man of the way that the way that Elvis freed your body Bob feed your mind. This is Bob. Dylan. About, Ma'am and God, and all. This sir. Bend. Baby Owner A. Spoke lie most three from slavery. With is the showed no trace of misery. Phrase. That she? Love is just to. Letter. which four letter word is love. Is it the F. Word. Or H. O. P. Maybe L. I f. e.. Or could it be h o m e? Robert Johnson says the four letters of love and. A An but love could be yo you are or maybe M. I n. e. or T are you? Could be lost, could be hours the hippie spoke of our E. Love though we don't buy it. A George Jones and Tammy Wynette they spelled love so that their six year old little boy didn't catch on but that was seven letters. D. I v O R C E. Mile. Will by a? Double. People. The admiration. tried. Finding in you know there are a whole lot of love letters, l O v e a whole lot of more love letters than we can count. Bob Dylan. If you received his letter, yesterday transmits very many kinds of traditions. But maybe the most direct line of his creative ancestry, the musical trade and cultural role that spawned him. Is that of the troubadour. The troubadour not the famous La Club though Elton John James Taylor and Joni Mitchell and warns Yvonne and a and a WHO's who of contemporary artists made it the singer Songwriters Royal Court seventies rock and roll. Love. No. We're talking about the troubadour the love drunk singer of southern Europe in the Middle Ages invited by nobles to sing for them about love. Dante and we mentioned a book of poems by an Italian poet from the thirteenth century a lot here because. Dante is such an essential touch point of western artistry. Dante. Described the troubadours music as being. Fifty, all retore Mussa. Choir Boito. Rhetorical musical. Poetic Fiction. And like the troubadours in other words to open up with an Italian poet from his mother's side from the Twentieth Century Bruce Springsteen said quote. Bob Dylan prove that a pop song could tain the whole world. Rhetorical. Musical. Poetic Fiction. The troubadour tradition provides the basis for ballots art songs for the Song Forms. That are the essential building blocks of folk music and the blueprint for the soul and rock songs of a thousand years. Later, these thanks to the troubadours are the beginnings of the musical vessel that Dylan will bend to his will. And while Dante says that the troubadours covering click array of topics about the world roots of the troubadour and the troubadours repertoire just like the repertoire of Pop, music is the singer singing a song about love. The troubadours and there were men and women troubadours even though the most common figures in our cultural memory are men they sang insults like idiot wind longings like just like a woman break up songs like innate me babe and praised like love minus zero. No limit. They courted like Lay lady lay sank to a lover pleading that she would please crawl out her window they mourned. They complained they strategy the charmed. In more than all Al. Stay Sang. Love songs with every four letter word in the book. And episode five Bob Dylan About Man and God and Law we're going to be listening to the music of Bob Dylan. Descendant of the troubadour tradition as it embodies the last few centuries worth of our obsession with love. Romantic love. Our escape and transcendence. Are Distraction definition of purpose. H-. Impossible. Perfecting. Ever waited for romantic. Love. As a great poet once asked. What's love got to do with it well, loves got to do with all of it. Not just. Dylan's music and what drives the rock and roll empire but the truths and illusions that shape our world. You know those troubadours despite thriving in the same bastions of Christian culture that ferment the relentless violence of the Crusades they played on the fringes of the dominant themes of religion. While their love interests were inspired by a woman, the ideal rocking from the New Testament to let it be to Madonna. You've heard of mother Mary of course, and you'll be hearing a lot about and from her in the songs to come. The troubadours lived outside the law to recall episode four by being honest. About love. And to recall episode one. Their spiritual code depended on finding salvation through love. Our dependence on romantic love today may have more bells and whistles than that of the troubadours a thousand years ago. But our core is the same as there's. Maybe love is just a four letter word but. Once you really spell it out. It does contain multitudes. We're talking about love and only love that can't be denied. We're talking about finding someone who gives you all the love. And I'm sick of love. But Not really. We made up our minds to. Give this team to you. I'm Steven Daniel. Arnav. Welcome to episode five of Bob, Dylan about men and God in Law Love. Low. Exciting and Donald. We're expecting daily. Life sweetest reward. Floats back. Whether. We come aboard or stay ashore. There is a thing about love that describes the essence of being. In fact, the great teachers across time sound a lot like the great. Julie McCoy Shuffle all the boarding on the promenade deck. Love, is born into every human being Plato says in the symposium, it calls back the halves of our original nature together, it tries to make one out of to heal the wound of human nature. Each of us then Plato says is a matching half of a human whole in each of us is always seeking the half that matches us. Plato. Spells out love and sodas. Buddha, who says love is a gift of one's innermost soul to another so both can be whole. So. Let it be said here that while we do not know for true if Bob Dylan would say it we ourselves reject Hetero normative narrative that would say that love's got to do only with man woman woman men love love can be an lgbtq letter were to of course it can and the we'll try to offer something more nuance than exclusively male Gaze Bob? Dylan is a man. So are we that's our story but we'll. Try not to stick to it. At any rate. For that other, half the better half of the worser one could run a person aground. The book of Genesis Describes Eve as being carved out of Adam's rib and to Madrid and Interpretive Rabbinic legend from about eighteen hundred years ago modifies this creation myth by claiming that Adam and Eve were actually are hermaphroditic I a single being, which was actually to two faces. Two sets. Of Genitals. To bodies joined at the back and forever facing opposite directions even after they were cut in half to go off and find each other again. Bob Dylan seems to agree. Girl before she could leave say let's go play adamantly. The hand in the hottest something said, hey, man you crazy. is in. Heaven last time they started. So, we begin with the seeking. The love boat may be leaking. and. Something about a divine mix of color and tumult like the ocean blue that curious us on a journey toward a destiny we call love and in the hint of blue. And the hint of the blues. Perhaps maybe. Maybe must be. Something of the divine. Bob Dylan says he saw this mystery with his own two eyes once through the blue eyes of the USS Crooner. Captain of love and we're not talking about captain stooping no. Dylan hung out with Frank Sinatra one evening over at Frank's place. Apparently, bruce springsteen was there as well. A dinner party at the revered captain's table and at one point in the evening Sinatra took Dylan aside. He was funny Dylan says describing the encounter we were standing out on his patio at night and he said to me you pal we got blue eyes we're from up there and he pointed to the stars. These other bombs are from down here said Frank Remember, you might be right Dylan said. So the love boat has a lot of. Truth in it, actually putting one's faith in a singular vessel dropped into the stormy waters of life that reflects the heavens and the eternal to take a lover all the way to the redemption of love which seems to be our favorite myth of all of the myths that we live by. Come A. Oh. Go Willy. Say. But if You. GotTa. View. Oh we. The way. It does not insist on its own way says Jesus of love and First Corinthians it is not irritable or resentful. It does not rejoice in wrongdoing but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things believes all things hopes all things endures all things. Love Never. Ends. In, other words as teachers across seemingly every great tradition teach love gently insistently and Oh. So innocently demands that we go. All the way. When somebody loves? It's no good on less. Rock and roll culture a rock and roll empire. We do put a whole lot of faith all of it in fact, into a whole lot of love and could there be a more precise symbol of the muscular patriarchal loved drunk and as we will hear just plain drunk. America of Dylan's coming of age years than the Chairman of the board. Old Blue Eyes, frank, Sinatra himself who taught so many about love. Bob Dylan went out of his way to salute Frank Sinatra Mr Frank Zenia th birthday party. This was years before Dylan would spend the equivalent of five full albums shadows in the night fallen angels. Maybe that's how the blue is made it down here actually and triplicate singing only songs of love Frank Sinatra had made famous. And at that star studded event, he chose to Fete Sinatra with long restless farewell. If Frank was seen it, he might have called one for the road. Seeing as we're getting near the end of our show, I can think of no one I'd rather share a parting glass. More than the clancy brothers Oh. On that hand I and is. Eating come any. no harm that I have already made lousy it all to none me. On In done. Da. Till Man. Marina. COM till. They all. So To me the parting last. Cohort. On And we. Long. Anna tabor's. On A. Says, it's closed Love and Booze, love and theft lover take all. Now, we'll take Dylan's advice and bid farewell to Blue Eyes yes. Sinatra Shirley has taught a few generations about love the secular deified culturally enshrined but identity boxed in love and few musical acts have had an alter worshiped less critically than Sinatra's. But his romantic vision takes us only part of the way not nearly all the way we have many other ports to visit to make sense of these fallen angels and these bums. Got The time. Since, hoppy. A Alvian Beginning in one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, three, Sigmund, Freud loves die sector corresponded with Romain Rolland a French novelist challenging that Freud's writings on the life of the spirit had missed the point completely about what life is about. A WOMAN And she made. And she. means. Active. Long told Freud that the ocean feeling. Oh, that magic feeling like the fetal said it's the OC anik feeling that matters most. Range to reach that magic feeling. Nowhere to go. This super is the high point of human endeavor. Reading with admiration if not full recognition of Rowland's idea of oceanic feeling and civilization and its discontents Freud reveals much about himself and intellectual path. CanNot discover this oceanic helium myself said Freud. Its not easy to deal scientifically. That's right. This. Is The territory of music and muses and amusement. Not. A certain kind of science. She. Ocean. That feeling. This is perhaps the destination of Gillies Journey. Question isn't it? How does it feel? About in WHO's how do we get to that? Feeling. A. Just like a woman complicated notes, the male gaze with very again shift but kind. Of broken little. Girl. Standing inside the rain. You actually stand inside the rain. Aren't you supposed to stand outside in the rain or to get inside to get out of the rain? The singer must be on the very inside of the rain itself part of it within that ocean. And with nowhere to go. And doesn't want to know. If, he can ever stop the rain shoe. Clear. He found that feeling but the feeling that Oshii anik rain-soaked insiders feeling is part of a longtime curse. Four letter word. Call A P A. Just like. Jewish. Brick. He says she would always say. From the long time curse of Plato and the book of Genesis and Buddha in which a human being is forever split and seeking its other half. Just like a woman. Sung by a woman and turned ever. So slightly to be about an I rather than she is a love song of. Proportions. Don't call just like a woman call it just like a human. And this human gaze girds both Dylan's vision of love and reveals a secret history of romantic love that the Sinatra version of love is a reflection of beauty through a Martini. Glass is incomplete better. The broken glass reflecting to dylan the sermon on the Mount as he sings and shelter from the storm. A secret history of our romantic obsession. Somewhat We'll give you all. Straight. To God you know. But at this moment, people are talking about ecstasy transcendence meaning wholeness. You know things that we used to look for in the realm of the divine that have now been transcended into romantic. All the way. Heard here in a recent interview on the tax radio, our state parole says that in love we are seeking wholeness an oceanic return to one this Buddha and Jesus and Plato in the Hebrew Bible say that once was the purpose of any religious communal spiritual ecosystem. To understand love as the story of only two people or a fairy tale of falling in love and living happily ever after. At best of fairy tale, it misses the love boat altogether. Love is all but it's not just about love. It's about the purpose of all things. Counting on romantic love alone to deliver at the port of call is a very, very tall order after food water and shelter. Abraham maslow's might say people need love love which means purpose and meaning which means something of the divine that's lost by being human in the first place. Is Me. Take me you dead. Fish A. Slave. I like to slam nine drink knees. There are so many ways to seek love to express it to feel it. Of course it's not all touchy feely and Holier Thou. So. So grabby hungry and grubby needed to love and grit love and theft love and hunger love a need sex and love. But Bob Dylan's creed that love and only love can't be denied no matter what you think about it you just won't be able to do without it comes with a warning. Plaque rider black rider hold it right there. The size of your cock will get you nowhere. So it's not just spirit and it's not just sex and sometimes oftentimes just not. My experience was limited and underfed. The love sings in love is just a four letter word. Searching, for my double looking for complete evaporation to the core, it continues though I tried and failed at finding any door. I must have thought that there was nothing more. Dead this guy. In the two babies. Don't. You came up. Soluble Always close. Off. Of you won't June July. Do Good High. Find. Love and only love is denied that same hunger. Out. That's the place where an equally powerful idiot wind of discuss can blow. Saying. I can't even touch the books you read. or every time I crawled pasture door I'd be wishing I was somebody else instead. The anger, the fury of loss the emptiness that comes with its loss the loss of love. These are love letters spelling out loves well. Now. Dylan's love life. Life is personal life. These are his and his alone. This cannot be denied and we're not interested in prying in the least. But Sarah. His invitation into a glimpse of the oceanic feeling of love in a moment of his life. In an intimate scene on the beach on the shore well, in it Dylan captures one of the most heartbreaking and beautiful images of the five letter word F.? A.. M. I. L. Y.. That love spawns. We're all little boys and all little girls come from. And how love give And how love take away Stay. Jabal. Other Asked about blood on the tracks often called his divorce album from the same fertile mid seventies period that produced desire on which Sarah Appears Dylan said a lot of people tell me they enjoy that album. It's hard for me to relate to that I mean people enjoying that type of pain. Anna foot guilty as charged. We are drawn to the pain. Just like were drawn to drown some days inside the rain. A Superior. Des. Soon. Image of the woman. Dylan's lovers love the ones. He builds a family with or the ones who pass under his gaze the wants to stay and the ones who leave who are. SPEAKS LAG SILENT Deals. that. I so Love minus zero no limit a formula is off and it's quite literally a formula. Love that wins zero is subtracted. No limit a love she's a woman. Who has no limit she is in fact, a being who erases all dialectics, all boundaries, all visions, all opposites melt into a singular whole. Speaks. Silence doesn't have to say she's. True Like ice like fire. No success like failure and failures no success at all. No. Future. Be. Malian. Failures. And in the end in the file verse of this Song That Love and that lover. Is. edis. Window with a broken win. She can't fly scape and she probably can't come in because what Raven can live inside the Chelsea hotel. This woman is Madonna anything and everything beyond measure and category is her. I don't know you know a goddess and yes, I, do think. I am. All of those things. Not You the ideal. Mary Madonna. Every woman offers an impossible erasure of all of the separateness that all of the great traditions we have cited propose as the impossible conundrum of human existence. We are separated at birth from ourselves and from our others. And we seek those others out and that seeking at least fifty percent of the time leads to the same place for Tammy. George. Wound up the D.. Word. The seven letter word It's broken wing. Not. Even the perfect flying bird can carry the weight of the world divided down the middle. and. This is where another kind of love comes in. When we've already explored a bit in episode four before the law and will explore again in a future episode called God. We're talking about love of God, is another formula. Or maybe the formula flawed as it may be for a kind of lasting love or ever lasting love. It's a love of releasing oneself to love without dialectic without division into without even body for loving. From the oceanic feeling to the family on the beach love of a lover can bring children and as Dylan's lowered protect, my child makes clear. This is a selfless soulful love but this selfless seamless of. Seems to require a third party. Or the only party in town. And that's the divine. The Lord Lord protect my child. Oceanic feeling. Playing on the beach and then together alone again or to quote the Great Band of the Four Letter Word L. O. V. E. Alone. Together alone again. With the one. Grain of sand infant? At one. With all those other grains of sand and no longer alone. At, all it's the ultimate shot of love. Confession. In the. When the two. Long. There's Only. Dawn. Days. By gain. Non. In the Oh I can see. Astor's. Can we really be the beach itself a bunch of grains of sand, any more than we can be inside the rain? We seek love like the energies of an atom seeking positive or negative charges. It's a scientific fact Freud notwithstanding and it's exhausting. And said, he was sick of love because the love game seems to have no end. But Dylan's not really sick of love. Is He? No. We know that he's just licking his wounds, right? He Dost protest too much and in the end, he makes the choice to be open to pain, which is the reality of the journey and he chooses like Augustine back in episode two that he will love. Opposite Lama. Last year. Listen to the sounds of. The Grades and incalculable grace of love which says with Augustine. I want you to be. Without being able to give any particular reason for such supreme and unsurpassable affirmation. So said Henna Rent added made my mom? Myself. Love is an act of faith. And again. Like the troubadours of old seeking and declaring one's love is not just a way of life. It is life it is identity. It is purpose finding that wholeness broken wing at the window, and all is all that there is and it's a human choice to try to be divine. To love like the divide. After so imperfectly. Now the impossible miracle of love is as impossible as Adam and Eve hacked apart to create to have seeking each other. Or Mary serving fourth the Virgin, birth, if you take those love stories to literally you're likely to believe anything. The definition of a fundamentalist these days is something like this one who rejects. But the logic and person hood of all others maybe a fundamentalist in love is one who expects all things to live within a single lover that love minus zero no limit adds up to success or failure. Or anything at all love is it seems about two things. I it is fundamental because it's a foundation, a place to be a shelter a home for the soul. And second, it's a glimpsing of the possibility of perfection. When God in her were born In the lifetime. Of. Tall and A. Lack. Of, that you the road was Fulham learn do I came in from? A creature void of for. Come in she said, I'll give you. Shelter from the stone, we know that Dylan has more than dabbled in the ancient texts of religious traditions and this idea of the shelter and the storm as a template for loves bloom suits and interpretation a mirage, not only of his own canon but also of deep streams of thinking about love and purpose unwinding for thousands of years all the spiritual map. In Hebrew. A language based on three letter roots that build a web of words with similar meanings. Shelter comes from the root for Michigan. Shin. noon. Those are the three letters. Michigan Means Tabernacle as in the precursor to the temple that structure that the ancient Israelites built in the desert and traveled with them which in the divine. And this word Michigan or tabernacle relates to Shuna. Or the word for neighborhood community, the closeness derived from proximity. And this word this word from the same root as the others. Relates to China. Now, we're going to fiddle about with Dylan and mysticism at a later date and we'll try to keep it universal. This is not a Hebrew lesson. It is also not definitively not a pitch for the quote unquote Jewish element of Dylan's story great works and great artists require all kinds of methodologies to be appreciated the simply want him. But to circle back before we fade away this route Mishcon Shuna it's also the route that gives us Sheena. But the Jewish mystical tradition calls the female aspect of the divine. You can call it Mary Madonna. If you like you scholars of religion are invited to do with it what you will and you might just call Nina Simone's reading of just like a woman a. Reading the companion song to the first break up. With Eve. It's the other half of that same love story. There are core energies in the world, an energy that a secrecy just as that energy is seeking the seeker. And the storm of shelter from the storm is like those elements of the Atom Yudo. Or the Adam. The first being. Without shelter. Without a vessel. To navigate the storm. In mystical terms, the God head is divided just like we are and it's so called female aspect. The SHEENA seeks so-called male aspect to create wholeness again. This is not a binary story it's a metaphor. But it's an attempt to map us all. If only I could turn back the clock to when God and her were born Dylan sings. If only my Michigan my shelter could house me with my not the ultimate loving lover. That would be when time itself both stopped and began but Dylan sings this aphorism as an if only phrase knows that we can't quite access the clock of love that's not human time that clock belongs to the divine and yet overtime. Lyric layered upon lyric and without the Hubris to assume success or failure in hearing what we hear this is the voice of the moment when God and her were born repeated over and over again in love and it's the voice of love. It contains everything even if it's defined by a broken wing. Because just like us. Without that broken. Love couldn't be at all. So. Like it or not. Love it or not. The clock ticks out time. And then the captain says, Hey, kids, it's time. Again, comes that. Feeling again time to try to love. Again. Come aboard. Again. We're expecting you. Next episode we are going back to school that's right. Talking teachers. who were Bob Dylan's teachers and what did he study? How do teachers the next episode of Bob Dylan about men and God and Law. We're proud to be part of the Pantheon podcast network find us and a whole bunch of wonderful music podcasts at Pantheon PODCAST DOT com. He'd get show notes, playlists and clips for this podcast at Man Dot, Law Dot Com. He's do subscribe and follow in radar show wherever you listen. It really helps this project grow and we appreciate it so much. I'm Steven Daniel arm. Thanks for coming and seed Rousse. Laugh. I'm in love with. Snap out of it. Again.

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Antonia Williams Gary -- Reclaimed

Women in Business

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Antonia Williams Gary -- Reclaimed

"Hello. And welcome to women in business where we interview entrepreneurs and senior managers and show you the straits successes obstacles and roadblocks women experience in business since I believe every person in business needs to be visible. I'd like to invite you to watch WWW dot SOB six. That's the number six tips dot com, which will give you some valuable information. Should you get the call to be on radio or TV which I think is extremely important if you'd like to contact me personally drop me a line at Gail Carson. That's G A Y L E Gail Carson thirteen at gmaiLcom or go to my website, WWW dot spunky old brawd dot com and sign up for my weekly newsletter. Welcome everybody. This is the women and business show, and my guest today is one of the authors from the Miami International book fair, which you know, that we're spotlighting all month on the station and her name is Antonia Williams. Gary and her story is the memoir of Antonia an affluent, well, educated African African American woman who struggled in silence from decades of emotional expe- abuse, while maintaining a high profile public marriage. It exposes the ugly truth about being trapped in a defeating cycle under husbands power and control and how she reclaimed her personal power. Welcome antonia. Thank you, so nice to be here with you today. Well, you know, it's interesting as I was reading this description. I was thinking how many women are still trapped in a defeating cycle under their husbands our and control. So what has changed for you since you did? Reclaim your personal power. What has changed in your life? I am. Absolutely happy joyous. And on my relationship with my children is paired healthy. I've got seven grandchildren who have never seen their grandma me cry or suffer or shrink in any way. And so it's a completely different life. I've feel I can just sing my song and continue dancing on top of the table. So how long do you think it took you if you really started to calculate to walk into this new power of yours? It really did take about twenty plus years while I was still in the marriage. I began to use it a pupil alcohol, and that part of the story of this is not a story of recovery. It's just part of that story. So that took quite a bit of time before I went into recovery and just for the record. I have not had alcohol but seventeen years, and it was all of that period of time from nineteen ninety one. Plus that it took me to heal to figure out what it was to give it a definition to recognize except. We lost her. We lost her. Okay. I guess gonna try to call her back. Still on the call. Wow. But I don't know if not. Oh, my longest when we lost. You. We lost. You are you on a cellphone? I am. Yeah. We lost you Antonio. So I'm going to ask the lions go again. Okay. I I don't even remember what I asked you because I got so involved in your story. It was how yet it was how how long does it take to reclaim become reclaimed. So Antonia how long did it take for you to actually get into your own personal power? It takes it took at least twenty plus years as part of the story of my reclamation. There was a period of time where I was using an abusing alcohol so there was a period of recovery. I have not had anything to drink alcoholic in seventeen years. So that was part of the process, and then I started writing the book about six years ago. So my divorce was in ninety four and so do the math. It's twenty five is a substantial amount of time. So that's correct. When you say that you were trapped in a defeating cycle. What kinds of things were done to you that you felt you were there, and you couldn't escape it. By the time. I recognize that I was in a committed relationship that was not serving me. Well, I did not yet. No. I was in an abusive relationship. I didn't have that language. I was very committed. We were married for sixteen years when my ex husband was appointed city manager by that time, I have a child I made certain commitments to marriage. It was very high profile. I've benefited greatly from being involved with him and his position, and I did have a grin and bear it kind of attitude, and it's like crabbing boiled, I just got used to the hot water until I was numb. So I have my own reasons. The staying a lot of it was just ego driven. You know, how how would I be able to live down the shame. How would I be able to save my faith? And so I had those issues going on also. And I didn't I did not know I was being abused. I I didn't hear that from any. One or recognize any of those symptoms because I never had background in that until after I was actually divorced. Isn't that interesting that the language is much different than what it was back? Then even though I mean, the nineties is not you know, prehistoric, so it's not that far away. But it was not not that we just didn't talk about those kinds of things. And so do you think that? The it was more a psychological. I mean was it physical abuse or was it psychological abuse or that was never any never any physical abuse. I just want to get that out there. Real quick. He never touched me. He didn't have to emotional at once intimidation. Coercion put-downs, lots and lots of bad language, use name calling. I gave up a lot of my power and inequity essence to what I thought she should be used. You know, I am. I am an African American woman at one point I felt that it was my job to raise him up because society put him down, and I bought into that false narrative. Thinking that my place was by man because after all I had a man who was very good breadwinner and took care of the bills, and that kind of things I got a lot of false messages from society and the community that I was in. So they were lots of reasons to keep me in place. Well, isn't the Tammy Wynette net that sang I stand by my man or something? And you know, you know, if you don't know any better you seeing what you're supposed to do. And again, I think a lot of this comes from how we were raised and what our expectations were. I remember even though my mom really never worked. I mean, she worked when my sister went to college, and then she stopped working when I finished college because she was held me out. But my mom was not an educated woman. I mean, she educated herself always said to my sister. And I you girls must get an education, and you must be able to support yourself, and you cannot depend on any man. And this was a woman who was in a very happy marriage. Very happy with my dad, you know, but cheat that's what she said to us and both of us learned that lesson. Well, and you know, again, I think a lot of it comes from from upbringing and what you were surrounded with. And again, what ninety said was your place. So how this affect your your child or children? When are they have their own stories to tell and I'm not going to speak for them. But we they did grow up with me. And they watched how I coped and part of what I did was go to charity so seeking outside. Help has always been a part of that environment that they grew up in and I hope that they have availed themselves of it. In the meantime, they tell me that their childhood was stressed as one quote in the book where my oldest son says that he was always a nervous child that you'd never knew what his dad was going to do. And I recall some of the incidents that I wish I could have prevented or put myself in front of their dad. He never hits them of use them in any way. But this temple was notorious and a couple of other incidents that I know were hurtful to them. But they're now adults they have their own children. And I'm hoping that they took some positive lessons from watching. Me and and seeking outside help when they need it. But you know, I wanted to just come in a little bit about how I was raised. I was raised with the mantra be somebody. And if you marry marry someone who can take care of you, and I pretty much did that I mean, I had my own standing at my own power and authority and titles and positions. But none of that prevented me from getting caught up in this trap. Well, you know, it's it's very difficult. I think there are very a lot of high profile men today who have wives who are. Well. In fact, there's a new movie out, right? Call the wife and yet. I thought I did you what did you feel when you saw? I haven't seen it because it's not been playing where I could get to it. But what did you? Well, I tell stories in this book about how in the early days of my marriage. I was the one that my husband will put out into the public face. Because at the time we will live at back in Miami. He thought himself as a black man who was being imposed on society, and I've gone to so-called white schools, and he said, I talked to white. So he would push me out in front to do some negotiating and be the spokesperson for the family. And then when he went to grad school, I would write his papers, and that kind of thing, so I was very much the woman behind the man in many respects, and I enjoy that. I thought that was pretty cool until it turned around and didn't serve me. So well, there's a lot of posturing and being the man on top and being in charge kind of stuff that went on that. Put me down in many respects. I wasn't prepared for. I always thought that I was equally yoked, but he treated me as a lesser, Dan. So a lot of imbalance. We, you know, I it's interesting because I think that's although this is hard to believe when you're going through it, really. That's his issue. Not your issue. In other words, it's because he doesn't believe in himself enough or he doesn't feel secure enough or he doesn't feel equal enough. And even though he may have gone through a lot growing up still he had a very powerful position. And he would not have had that position. If people did nothing he was qualified. So there was no real reason except in his own mind, why he would feel lesser than and perhaps, you know, the person like that only gets their satisfaction by putting everybody else down. And I'm sure he did this with. He worked with so. Oh, my God owes. Yes. I used to laugh and joke and say, oh my God. Thank god. I don't have to work for him. Because I actually so many of the look bottom line. He was a bully. He was a bully and sometimes that served him well in the office position within the things he had to do in Miami during the eighties when there was just all kinds of turmoil. Why it's refugees and general mayhem and being black and middle of the changing society north from a white power structure to predominantly Cuban power structure. There was just all kinds of stuff going on. He had to be Spong. He had to be powerful. But he brought that home and it didn't always play there. Well, but it started long before. Then by the time, you became c manager. I was kind of numb to it. All. Well, it's true. I mean, you know, it's it's it's hard to to leave these two separate lives. That's why some of the best of the best leaders that we have are people who are balanced on all ends of the scale. I mean, they're near balancing their home life in their work life, you know, in everything that they do. So what what are you doing now? And Tony what is it that occupies your day? Well, I am a writer. I do have an opinion column that's published every two three weeks in the south thought at times. I am writing to additional books. They're like twins trying to get out one is I think I wanna love it. One is one is a prequel to this memoir. I'm writing my mother's family's immigrant story from people came over from the Bahamas for economic games. And there's classism cast color ISM all kinds of stuff going on in Miami in the nineteen twenties. So I'm writing that story. And I'm writing a little piece of fiction that I'm having a lot of fun with. And I work part time part time just keep me. Busy, and I travel and hug, my grandchildren. That's terrific. That's terrific. Yeah. So so are you living in? New York cooker thinks I'm in Dallas, Texas. So how did you get to Dallas? I went there to finish writing the book. I was struggling with finding the time and energy should finish it in Miami. Where I would know very actively involved had a very mild lead social life and was working fulltime and just didn't have the time to finish it, and I felt compelled to finish it my sons were in Khartoum to finish it. So I had to go to someplace quieter where no one knew my name. I have a son who I have a son who has been living in the Dallas area. But almost twenty years now. So it was a logical choice Bula, that's fabulous kids. So so another thing I want to talk about because it might help people who are listening to this. You know, you said that you started to drink, and you went into Gaullism, and I find that there are a lot of people who think that alcohol will will solve their issue or dulls area issue, whichever. And then find you know, it's a slippery slope. And that you know, they really have to take hold of that. So what what allowed you to slip into it. And then how did you find the courage to get out of it? Well, slipping into it is a great description because it was over a period of time going from social drinking to crossing the line, and that was cumulative and built up over many many years, and it was only when I found that I wasn't able to manage my life on a day-to-day basis hold the position of with authority that I have been hired to and continue to being a good mother. So all of those things beginning with slip, and I read I had the grace and the gift of recognition that I needed some help. And so I got that help back in two thousand one. And it I stuck in stuck with me being so bad. Well, I'll tell you that really does it takes a lot of courage do that. And that's I think that's fantastic. And when we go back over this this cycle of what you went through. Do you sing yet? This is more in the African American community or do you think it's equal across the board? Well, my experience can only be based on my personal experience. When I know for sure is that this affects everyone men in power and who exercise control and abuse people under them, whether it's in the workplace or their children or their spouses or their their intimate partners. I think it's epidemic. The metoo movement is now out in the public arena, and people are talking about it, more and more. But in my community at the time, it's hidden, and it was quite in a silo. A lot of reasons I still think it's pretty hidden me after American community. We're very conservative community. We go to church and be consult with one another. We don't necessarily go to psychotherapists or we don't come out with some of these issues and one of the reasons I wrote the book to give it a face and let people know it happens. It happened to be one of lease like the candidates. It's just on the surface of just look at me. But that it can happen to anyone. It's and hidden in our community. We don't talk about it. Yes. Well, that's true. I was I was watching the view the other day. And I don't know. I think it was Cheryl that said, yeah, we don't talk to anybody about about anything everything is within the community. Everything is we ourselves. And she said that's not good. You know, we need to get out there and let other people know what we're going through. But you also talk about now living, we call it. I experienced free living. What does that mean to you? What does that mean to you? Well, I don't have any high expectations of other people about my regard. So I don't people, please. I don't look or permission. I don't want to get praise from others. I'm pretty. Well, contained within myself. I know who I am. I know what I'm capable of. I'm pretty well accepting of myself and have let go of all of the external expectations of people pleasing and looking for outside allegation, which I was so caught up in for so long over so many years from being from childhood on. And so that that has freed me absolutely freaked me, and I start with just accepting myself and loving myself and behaving with the grace of a woman. Yep. Absolutely. So do you think that comes with age? Do you think that comes with experience using that comes with the shock of having to go through something like you did and then changing things so dramatically where do you think the ability to say, you know, you can think whatever you wanna think, but it's not? Important to me. I know who I am. I know how I am. And you know, I mean, it takes a certain takes us certain personality to do that. Well, in my case, it's very intentional. I just made up my mind, and I was going to be positive happy free and joyous and all those other things that come with it. But it did take time. It did take experience. We did take the hard knocks of life. I wish that it didn't have to take so long that I didn't have to suffer so much and hopefully someone who reads my book will at a younger age will think. Uh-huh. I don't have to do their I wasn't if I had been given you know, it's like almost like with with the raising a child, we're not giving a manual. I was not given the tools I was in. I didn't have the vocabulary. I would give false information. So I think people who seek who literally actively seek to be happy joyous and free to be independent of thinking to be positive. It's a journey and some of us want more of it others content with where they are. When I think you're right personnel has a lot to do with it. But I think that we are all capable of making our lives better. Whatever that looks like how ever you come by it. But I think it has to be intentional and mine was intentional. Well, you also say you're a Yogi, and I practice yoga are, you know, most of the people that I know who are really really into yoga day had more. They have this aura. I don't have this aura. My Oregon is very, you know, energetic, and let's go and so forth. And so is but the aura of people who are really Yogi are are. It's just peaceful. And it's I mean, there's I can walk into a room. And I know that person is there because I can feel. How is that affected your life? Oh, it's been just so wonderful. I've always been physically active. I was always in the gym or read ifting weights or stretching doing something take one do whatever kickboxing, but the yoga has made a significant difference just in century and being quiet, and it's very active practice, but just quieting my inner self and at the same time, strengthening and toning and getting yoga bootie, which everyone wants which I have thank you very much. But it is a different kind of practice, and it does quiet and does center, and it does make a tremendous difference. And just getting some the day just learning how to breed learning how to prove. And it has has made a big difference. Will you all I love it? I don't know that this is it says you're the top twenty or what is that? Oh, that's that's a crazy lifestyle that I've decided that I live in the twin your is. This is the anti AARP message. Okay. I'm just not looking forward to aging I refuse to be a senior citizen. So the so tween you're somewhere between being a youthful and being a senior. So that's that's just my lifestyle. Monica. I'm a tweet here. And because I practice it. I'm the top twenty. I've just cleared it. I've made it my own. Well, that's wrong word it's your own word because I never thought it's it's not it's not that popular. It's it's out there a little bit kind of sort of creeping into the lexicon. But it's not yet something that people talk about. So I've I've claimed it I'm gonna have to I. I have to tell you that. I am Antonia eighty years old. And I go congratulations at what I still work out every day. I still do does I still speak. I, you know. And so I I agree with you. I'm not I'm not giving to old age. So and, you know, something again, I always say this, I know people who are older twenty. I mean, they're earning up people and not only that, you know, many are younger people are so overweight. And they are they don't move and they're tired all the time and they spend all their time on their phones. And and they don't in fact, they won't even talk to each other. They text each other when each other's company. So, you know, I'm gonna make a twenty year I'm gonna look that thing up, and I'm going to be s that owing the club after. So what I told my children. Go ahead. Now, I was gonna say I was going to just ask you what what else was in your book that that, you know, we haven't mentioned, you know. Well, when I wanted to the listeners to understand about this book is that I talk about the cycle of power and control and being motion. Abused by my husband who was up. Really, I talk about the fact that I did enjoy some benefits from being married to the sky. It's not all on him, my own up to all of my shortcomings and my way of thinking which kept any trapped because it took a while for me to just literally break out of that. And and once I once I was forty to choose a different lifestyle. I talk a little bit about my background is a child growing up. It was wonderful. And I also talking about Miami at the place because it has significant impact on how I behaved in the world. But I talked about some very serious matters. To in words, Madam. Words matter and there's a chapter in the book, it's in book three it's called a nigger and training from really hard hard lessons that I had to learn about what it means to be napkin American insert society's being treated certain ways. So it's it's a book about becoming literally becoming growing from a pretty idyllic childhood to a not so bad early life, and then falling into a trap and getting out of it. So I really want the leaders understand that there's a lot here. And at the end of the day, I have been reclaimed and life is wonderful. So are are you going to be at the book fair? I am I've actually gotten a date and time now Sunday when is Sunday November eighteenth at four thirty pm. Okay. Member eighteenth at four thirty. PM folks look for Antonio there. I wanna thank you so much for being with us Antonia. My guest has been Antonia Williams. Gary her book is reclaimed, and I wanna thank you so much for being a guest and so forth right with everything you've told us, and I'm on my way to being a twenty. Thank you so much Dr from Gail, it's been wonderful. And I look forward to meeting you in Miami. Well, thank you so much. Thanks for listening to women in business. I hope you enjoy today's show. And if you have any suggestions as to who you like to have as a guest just Email me at Gail Carson thirteen at g mail dot com. Be sure to check out WWW dot SO v. Six tips dot com. And in the meantime, go to WWW dot spunky old brawd dot com to see the resources. I have for you.

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Marissa Nadler Lends Out Her Trademark Haunting Vocals

World Cafe

24:53 min | 1 year ago

Marissa Nadler Lends Out Her Trademark Haunting Vocals

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from frame bridge. They make custom framing easy and affordable frame year. Art in photos at frame bridge dot com or visit their new stores located on fourteenth street and Bethesda row. Get fifteen percent off your first frame bridge order with code NPR. You're listening to world cafe. Hi, I'm Kaleo my guest Marissa Nadler, has an incredible voice to be sure. But on her eighth solo studio album for my crimes. She also added co producer her credits. The Boston based singer songwriter has been making old school country with a twist since two thousand four, but that twist has turned in many ways, it's led to her lending those trademark haunting. Vocals to metal bands recording. Several albums of covers and even opening up for Swedish hard rock band ghost. She'll talk about why she's a fan of harmonizing with women this record features vocals from angel Olsen. Kristen control, and share in Ben at among others. She'll. Also talk about becoming more involved with production and what it was like to play to a bunch of metal fans but first, let's get started with performance of for my crimes. It's Marissa Nadler on world cafe. Me down the corridor. The secure. Thai? I'll be trace. The. Body. Stew? Cetera. Cold. You'd get. The glass is. The. The. Cool slow. We were. Show. She. A live performance of four Mike crimes from stage of world cafe live. That is our guest Marissa's Nadler, that's also the name of her latest studio album for my crimes. I'm kalaheo. This is the world cafe Mussa. Pleasure to talk. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me first off. I loved this record. It is beautiful and direct and the instrumentation is absolutely gorgeous in the production values on it are top-notch. It comes together really? Well, I read actually read that you that haunted is almost a four letter word for you. But I think that I can only imagine that's probably 'cause you've had to read it about yourself for a very long time. I have an. That's part of the reason I dialed the revert back on this record. It was intentional. Just kind of wanted people to hear the work behind the songwriting, a little bit more cause for whatever reason the war to cereal is just again haunting. I'm totally fine. What those descriptors but I thought it might be doing a little bit of a disservice to like, who could appreciate the music. Oh, in the sense that if people label you with that, that autumn puts you out of the realm of, of certain music fans. Whereas yeah. Yeah. That makes it totally makes sense. I guess it sounds more intimidate a bigger barrier to entry than singer-songwriter, which sounds, it's totally fair. Marin Adler is our guest here on the world. Cafe her new album is for my crimes. I can't listen to Jeanne Clark a perfect example of very evocative song title, but does not give away does not give away why that is in the course will. Explain but rather than than give that away. I actually like to go the other direction. What makes gene Clark of the birds such a great, listen. Oh, that's a good question. I associate. His music with certain times in my life. And it's extremely stall GIC for me so in really beautiful. And I mean I read a lot about him and can kind of relate to his ups and downs with his moods. And there's just some real sad songs. Ching Clark wrote. So if there's. That's why I like him. Let's take a listen to. I can't listen to Jeanne Clark anymore. It's Marissa's Nadler on world cafe. It's good. With this. Kim me flow. Sure the show. Okay. You're listening to the world cafe, a live performance of I can't listen to Jeanne Clark anymore. It's from our guest Marissa's Nadler for my crimes is the name of her latest album angel Olsen. Sharon van Etten, Kristen control petty shemmel, along with others guested on this record and I read there is a deliberate effort to have female musicians working with you in the past month or two. We've spoken to a fe- few female musicians, who've made that conscious effort as well to pretty successful results. I'm just curious what sparked that decision in the first place? Well my last record strangers. All of a sudden ended up with all men on the record and I love the way that it came out. But at the same time I didn't end up playing a lot of Qatar on the record and I really dented by somebody that is Tara. It's not just. Slyke accompanying my vocals, and so I wanted that like kind of loss of control. When I chose to work with these other producers in the kind of encouraged me to play, most of the instruments myself into ask who I wanted to ask, and I just happened to, like, girl, on girl, harmonies for because when I do home recordings, it's always myself overdubbed. So I picked my favorite singers that happen to be friends of mine, and kinda got lucky. But yeah, I think that there aren't enough records being mastered by women or of where your two drummers woman drummer, not a male session drummer in sure. Like I didn't try to exclude men, but this is the first record of had no male musicians other than a little saxophone on a. And you co produced this record to correct. I did. And I you know, I'm really proud of that. And I do kinda hope that I'm interested as I get better, recording myself and technology gets much easier to use. Why not record at home? I mean, I've been haunted by the fact that my biggest hit on Spotify, as a demo song that was recorded on an internal microphone of amac laptop, and literally has like twenty two billion plays. And you look at the rest of my discography all of, which is professionally recorded, and that song is an example of what happens when I don't listen to anybody else. And I think finding a voice as a woman musician is difficult because especially if you're kind of shy soft spoken one. So I just keep looking back at that as proof that I should listen to myself more. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. We're talking with Meridian. Nadler, her new album is for my crimes, it's the world. Cafe. You know, you said, you know, maybe softspoken shy I need to ask you about this then because I saw you did a tour with. Opin that I love Swedish are band ghost who are phenomenal. But my first thought are the stories about how hard how tough the hard rock metal scene can be like, I remember the behind the music with Metallica fans would turn their back on the openers. So, like so many questions. How you ended up on the tour. But I for the world cafes audience who probably not all that with ghost wanna give them a little sample of that first right here. That's the band goes. That is the band our guest versatile open for. Okay. I'm not a show Booker. How did that happen? Well side do have this side background of being guest vocalists and a lot of, of records including a couple of black metal albums just because of that those luscious, reverberate harmonies do fit. Well, like in contrast to heavy assaultive music. And so I have some fans in the metal community in this guy, the lead singer of ghost is in a record store in Sweden and heard my music playing in wrote my name down to it was it was my record July, and then the request just came in. He wanted me to open for the tour requested that it was a duo separa- Qatar player in a milky. Burgess with me and you know, I was absolutely terrified. Because I got a lotta online, like hate mail. Like, who are you don't deserve to open for this Bannon? You know, I've certainly paid my dues so. I just tried to take it with a grain of salt, but it ended up going very well. I just catered my set very specifically to the crowd. And in terms of like picking my black Sabbath cover solitude, and my Dan's cover, and picking most of the songs about death that I have, which was not hard to find extensive discography. So it's in pocket for the ghost fans to it was it went pretty well dressed up and got to wear a mask on stage for the first time in my life on Halloween, which was really fun. Actually, that's so cool that I just thought that would be such an intimidating experience. But I'm so glad that it ended up being well received. And, and we know you're metal fan because of the, the handful of covers on your collection. You have to covers collections that came out in the last year. What I'm amazed by is just the sheer diversity of the artists that you've picked for your covers. Like all all over the place from Dean Martin to Teranda ran to. Yes. Dancing, and black Sabbath. I actually wanna play just a little bit of your version of radio heads. No surprises. Just to give people a little taste of what your covers project. Sounds like if that's cool. Sure, let's take a little bit of a listen to risk. They're covering radio. That's our guest Racine, Adler from covers to cover. Sorry covers one correct guests. Yeah covering Radiohead. You can find it on her band camp. Is it just songs that are near and dear to you, regardless of John RIA, are fertile ground for covers? Yeah. I mean, the Radiohead was is older song, I was specifically asked to cover that, by the website stereo gum for the I think back, then it was his either the tenth anniversary when that compilation of cool cat computer covers record came out. And so I put that as one of my like the collections that I have unbanned camper kind of just my favorite covers. But generally just loved to sing songs that I am drawn to in the can be across the board lick gotten more into the country ballad ears of yesteryear lately. You know, I've got really into Tammy Wynette and Sammy Smith and Smith covers of kind of gone to the crooner world, a little different place. The Tammy Wynette. Yeah. That's, that's an absolute trip, a super cool. Our guest is Marissa Nadler, her new album is for my for my crimes for my crimes closes with the death, but not a person the death of an automobile where where did the idea for this come from? You know, as somebody that spends a lot of time driving on the develop of real connection your car. And this wasn't even a nice car was not even a cool car was a Toyota Corolla. I mean. Oh, it's, you know, when it's reliable and when you're tour across the country. That's what you want. Right. Exactly. And it really did get shot at in there was a bullet hole in the roof in that. I wasn't in the car when it happened, but, like, after of tour I packed everything, and there was a hole in the roof and a bullet in the back seat. It was the craziest thing. But, you know, when the car diet definitely felt like the end of a particular era. One one nine six five seven was that the actual mileage when it was debt. It was something like that. I mean this one rhymed really well, but it was around that it did not last as long as a Kurla should have lasted one hundred twenty thousand miles seems like a little short mcgahee. Let's take a listen to it. It's a live performance from the stage of world. Cafe live said goodbye to that car, Marissa's Adler. Our guest on world cafe. Good. Good. New. This. So the strange. The. One one six fess. Six seven. About the. To the. It's the bird. The. Kicked of the view from the first. A law to heap birth matter. Son, too. One. Six five seven in the blue. Six five seven. Kabar. Bye. Two. The stage of world. Cafe live Orissa Babar, said goodbye to that car. Our guest today on world cafe, her new album is for my crimes, Mercer. Thank you so much for coming in sharing your songs with us your stories, please come back and see us again soon. Thank you so much. That's Marin Nadler, absolute blast to speak with her. Her latest solo studio album is for my crimes her newest album in collaboration with Stephen Brodsky is called drone flour, and it's available now thanks so much for listening to world cafe. I'm Kalou we'll talk to you soon.

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Revisionist Revisited: The King of Tears

Revisionist History

58:34 min | 4 months ago

Revisionist Revisited: The King of Tears

"Pushkin Hello Hello Hello my friends and fellow revisionist historians. Who just a few days to go before the launch season five, the time has come for me to reveal the greatest of all revisionist history episodes thus far has chosen by you, dear listeners. The bronze medal winner we revealed a few weeks ago. A good walk spoiled then the silver medallist Free Brian Williams and the winner. Ready. Chosen by you loyal listeners from season to King of tears. Why is it? The country songs make us cry featuring one of my all time. Favorite people, the legendary Nashville Songwriter Bobby Braddock Co writer, of maybe the saddest, the weepy song ever written to George Jones classic. He stopped loving her today. He stopped loving her today. You know who goes. Every episode. Revisionist history has a backstory. The backstory of this one is a to the very best things that happened to me while I was reporting. It never made it into the episode. The first one was I just spent the day with Bobby Braddock. Who is about as emotionally complex? His any artists can be. I spent. Loss in sheer splendor of his interior life. So I go for a run in the suburbs of Nashville and I'm driving back to the city along this long winding narrow road with huge gloomy overhanging trees. It's nighttime and a man comes running down the road towards me and says I need to borrow your cell phone. I need to call nine one one. I give it to him, and then I see that at immaculate vintage. Mercedes Benz has rolled off the road. Into a tree. Behind the wheel is breathtakingly beautiful woman wearing an evening gown. Who is either unconscious or asleep? It's the most gothic moment after the most country music moment ever and I think is of course. Bobby Braddock lives here. I tried to put that in the episode. But my editor Julia. Barton wouldn't let me hey. It's Julia here. I actually went back and looked at the very first draft of of tears. And there's no such story in the script just so we're clear eyed door Julia. I think she's a genius. I'd be lost without her, but she also cut a bit from an interview I did with the writer Jack Eisenhower talking about Vince Gill who's even more Nashville Gothic than Bobby Braddock. Because I'm petty because they WANNA. Get even I wanted to play that loss. Clip you right here in the CENTRO. Stopped me. Julia. Now come. Don't you think that people should hear the episode before the here? The outtake I'm just saying. So. Here's what happened with the outtake. We made the whole episode. We put it together. It sounded great, but it wasn't making me. Cry Wasn't even making me feel like an emotion. That could be recognized as leading to crying. I couldn't figure out what was going wrong. There were so many sad moments so many sad moments, and I actually had to get my kids markers and a piece of graph, paper and graft out every minute of the episode where the songs were where you were talking about the songs, and all the sad moments I color coded them, and then I realized what the problem was. You were going off on these tangents about other sad things, which were really sad, but they were cancelling out the main sad thing, so it wasn't working at the end, so it had to go. Something had to go, and that was that moment. What's up with. Paul Merson. I had another story I wanted to tell them that episode I, said that I went for a run before the gothic encounter with the lady in the vintage status. It was in Percy Warner Park for those of you who know, Nashville? Outside the city vast place, it was super hot that night, so I took off my t shirt went off running into the hills, and it got lost totally lost until I was ten miles in, and it was getting dark, and I had no idea where I was accepted. I was miles from anywhere. So I tried to flag down a car, but it was pitch, black, shirtless, dripping wet with sweat, and my hair was all wild. I looked like a crazy person. No one would stop. WHO's getting more and more desperate? Until a twenty something woman with lots of tattoos in a battered old Honda on her way back from Bible study stops. Lets me. Not? The tough guys in their F. One fifties. This tiny young woman. And the first thing I say to her is. You should not pick me up. And the first thing she says is. You look like you needed help. I mean. I'm getting choked up just thinking about that act of kindness. And if you WANNA know why I didn't tell that story as well. Just as Julia. Know you never wrote about that moment? That's a fantastic story. I. Wish you and told it earlier. Ladies and gentlemen. The winner of our revisionists revisited contest. King of tears. In Nashville Tennessee, there's a song writer named Bobby Braddock. He's in his seventies, maybe five foot, seven bald head, scruffy beard wiry like. If you messed with him in a bar, you'd probably lose. The most striking thing about him is his eyes, which at the palest to most intense shade of blue. He wears sunglasses a lot, and it's almost as if he needs to protect the world from that look. I met him on music row in Nashville. We had lunch, and then we sat in one of the writers rooms in the Sony Building Piano in the corner couches to one side, and he talked about his education in the music business I always had the reputation as being kind of a core. He rider, maybe a little lift feel. The turning point in products career. It was a song you've probably heard of. It was performed by Tammy Wynette back when she was the reigning Queen of Country Music nineteen sixty eight about a mom who had to spell out the word D I v. o R C, so her kids would know. Their parents were putting up so. E Yeah. This morning. No checkers nobody did nobody would record. D. I V. O. R. C E was a song with a gimmick. Brad acted a lot of gimmicky songs back then. One wanted this one. So, braddock went to a friend and longtime collaborator curly Putman, so I said well. Why is the way regarding should I think rather important part of your song? So sad song and your melodies. On that part is too happy. What else doing? Lot. Stop. Not. That little bit like a like a soap commercial. I said well. What would you do? You Guys Guitar. And he had this running mournful singing stout. Tammy. Wynette was a big fan of currently seen. She left his saying because he. Immediately just. He same just so sad. So. Guitar was was put it on tape. D I v O R C e went to number one. It was bobby brats. I exercise in how to make people cry. And from then on, things just got sadder. and. My name is Malcolm Global. You're listening to revisionist history. My podcast about things overlooked in misunderstood. This episode is about something that never made sense to me. Maybe it's because I'm a Canadian or maybe. Americans puzzle about this, too. I'm talking about the bright line that divides American society. Not the color line or the ideological line. I'm talking about the sad song. I. Don't know why people don't talk about this more because it's weird. For the sake of argument, let's use the Rock magazine rolling. Stones List to the best songs of all time the top fifty these are the critics charge is. Hotel California by the Eagles comes in forty nine. which as far as I can tell is a song about drugs. Tutti fruity by little Richard at forty-three. Tutti fruity which I remind you has as its signature lyric Tutti fruity. Oh, Rudy Tutti, fruity, own Rudy Tutti fruity. Oh rooty, Tutti, fruity, or rudy walked Bopolu Bob up Bam boom. There's dancing in the street at forty light. My fire be my baby. Nirvana's smells like Teen Spirit Durkin Dominos Layla, there are songs about wanting to have sex songs about having sex songs about getting high, presumably after having sex number one on the list like a rolling stone by Bob Dylan. you've gone to the find schools alright. Miss Lonely, but you know you only used to get juiced in it. Nobody's ever taught you how to live out on the street. And now you're GONNA have to get used to it. I. Think that's a song about someone who dropped out of Harvard. The number one rock song of all time is about dropping out of Harvard. In all of those fifty songs, nobody dies after a long illness. No marriage disintegrates. Nobody's killed on a battlefield. No mother grieves for a son. The closest that any song and rolling stones. List comes to being truly sad is smokey. Robinson's tracks of my tears, which is first of all number fifty, so they put the sad song at the bottom of the list, and secondly it's about a guy at a party. In their moments of greatest travail, the protagonists of rock and roll said songs still get to go to parties. Now just turn on a country music station, especially a traditional country music station and It's like a different universe. Marriage is going to hell people staring into their shot glass in honkytonk people dying young. Heard John Pines, unwed fathers. It's a devastating bit of songwriting about a teenage mom fleeing town. He sings it with his wife Rachel. Somewhere you ban. Smoking. We. Bowed or down. Dead. Mentor. Daw-. Those last two lines. Your Daddy never meant to hurt you ever. He just don't live here, but you've got his is. Brutal. Bad during. One half of the country, the rock music part once they music to be hymns to extroversion. The other half wants to talk about real life dramas and have a good cry I. Don't get it. By the way you know who wrote that unwed Fathers Song withdrawing. Prime. Bobby Braddock. Or maybe you've heard this another classic recorded by Tammy Wynette. Along. Golden Ring. It follows a couple from. I loved the break up of their marriage by tracing the journey of their wedding ring from pawnshop to pawn shop. It's a weeper. Who wrote it Bobby Braddock. And today forty years after he wrote it. Braddock is still mad about a one word change made by the song's producer billy. Cheryl because that made his song one crucial degree less sad what we had was. He says he won't admit it. `Bout no year round. And, billy changed to. says. You want to admit it but I know you're leaving town. That's not as powerful as your. He says you won't admit it, but I know you leave and how she says one thing for. I, don't have you anymore and throws down the ring. She works out the. Country Music supposed to be about real life. You know I try to reflect our. Goal and which brings us to maybe the greatest country song of all time, certainly the saddest country song of all time, the song that made me get on a plane and go to Nashville. It was recorded by the Great George. Jones one of the half dozen or so most iconic figures in the history of country music. You just heard him singing golden ring. Jones was famously. The husband Tanny Wynette for a time a hard living dissolute megastar. Once in the midst of an epic Bender, Jones family took his keys away, so we got on his riding mower and drove eight miles to the liquor store to get some whiskey. This was a man who could pour his fractured hard into his music like no one else. A half dozen times in his career Jones found a song truly worthy of his talents. But it never got better than he stopped loving her today. I still remember when I first heard that song. And from the day I started thinking about this episode. I haven't been able to get it. OUTTA my head. He said I'll love you till I. She told him you forget in time. As the years went slowly. She's still prayed all his mind. Get Her picture Onis Wall. Do I. Need to tell you wrote that song. Bobby Braddock. Bobby Braddock is the king of tears. He still loved. Through it all. Opening gene come back. Again. Oh, man. One of the things that got me interested in. Sad songs was a story. My sister-in-law Bev told me she my brother live in the same area grew up in Waterloo county in southern Ontario. And a while ago, she went to a performance by a local chamber choir three singers. They say a CANTATA called analysts by the British composer James Whitbourne, a coral composition which puts the words of an frank's diary to music. I know this seems like a little bit of a digression from country music. But it's a really useful case study in understanding why some songs make us cry. The Performance Bev told me about was on a Sunday afternoon. A free performance at the public, library. which is a very utilitarian, very nineteen sixties building on Queen Street in downtown kitchener. Abandon many times wall to wall carpet. That old books library smell which I have to admit I love. And people are there in their main reading room. Around all the tables and Hundred. Twentieth full pretty much standing-room-only. As they're singing I think. Is that alternate theme. And then look over and I think. That's because everybody else in their part singing. Realizing crying. And couldn't seem. Bev says she cried pretty much through the entire performance. She was looking straight ahead because she didn't want people to see. She was crying, but it didn't matter because everyone was crying. When the performance was over, Bev approached the stage to talk to the soloist. The woman singing and francs words is went to her afterwards and congratulated on the beauty of the peace, and then at her singing I sit. How did you manage to sing without crying and she said? Well I couldn't look at mark. Conductor because. He was wiping tears from his eyes, and I have my back to the choir. So that was good, and I didn't look at anybody in the audience because they were crying so I just looked up in the middle distance and I. Say musical. Number is. I was at home in Canada, Bev told me that story, so I called up mark, the conductor and soloist. WHOSE NAME IS NATASHA? They're actually husband and wife. The only live a few minutes away from my brother, so they came over. Mark Sat at the piano and living room, and the Tasha stood behind him, and they performed one of the pieces from analysts. They did that day in the library. This is the last movement and called. It's called ends meditation I see the world, the world being slowly turned. Turned into a wilderness. Now, I realized. This is a crazy question because we're hearing a piece based on the diary of an frank, which is one of the most heartbreaking stories from one of the most horrific moments in recent history. But why is everyone crying at day at the Kitchener Library? The. Obvious reason is that the music is beautiful so as Natasha's singing. The performance is also authentic. There's nothing contrived about it. It wasn't a carnegie. Hall people were wearing suits and evening gowns. They were at the Kitchener Library and his family's getting books and kids running around and everyone's on stacking chairs with the tables pushed off to the side. But here's the most important thing. Analysts is specific. It's a cantata about the actual experiences of a real person in her own words. Off. Says that when she cried, she started thinking about her own family. Mennonites who escaped terrible persecution in Russia. And Tasha says that as she sang about twelve year old Anne Frank. She was thinking about her own daughter. Who is ten and who was sitting right next to Bevan the audience? Beauty and authenticity can create a mood. They set the stage, but I think the thing that pushes us over. The top into tears is details. We cry when Melancholy Collides with specificity. and. Specificity is not something every Charente as well. Wild Horses by the rolling stones written by Keith, Richards and Mick Jagger. It's a song about a conversation. A man having with the silent suffering loved one. The story goes to Mick Jagger Jeff up the versus while sitting at the bedside of his then girlfriend Marianne Faithfull as she recovered from an overdose. I watched. You suffer a dull pain now you've decided to show me the same. No sweeping exit or offstage lines could make feel bitter or treat you unkind. Wild horses couldn't drag me away. While wild horses couldn't drag me away. Wild horses was recorded first by the legendary Gram Parsons. Not long afterwards, Parsons died of an overdose and his friend and protege, the country music singer. Emmylou Harris made a song in his memory. She wrote it with Bill Dan off. It's called from Boulder to Birmingham. Alone A he. Got On this. Just. Old. All the. Show. Only. Someone who has suffered a terrible loss has gotten on a plane. And she's so numbed by grief that she could no longer see those around her. Last. US. I was in. From Boulder to Birmingham, and while horses are both beautiful melancholy. They're about the same thing. The ties the living and healthy have to those in pain. But which is the sadder song, I don't think there's any question. Wild horses is generic. Listen to how it starts. Childhood living is easy to do the things you wanted I bought them for you. Graceless Lady, you know who I am. You know I can't let you slide through my hands. What's going on any idea what is Mickey Hammering on about? Now compare that to the specificity of looking down from the airplane and seeing nothing but prairie then standing on a mountain and Watching Canyon Burn. Ask. Say. See I! She references. The Great Black Spiritual Rock my soul in the Bosom of Abraham. The Bosom of Abraham is where the righteous dead go out awaiting judgment. Then she sings and I would also walk all the way from Boulder to Birmingham now. She's locating her grief I would make pilgrimage from progressive hippy liberal remember. This is nineteen seventy-three. Dope Smoking Colorado back to the repressive heart of the old south just to see your face. To completely different specific images each with its own set of emotional triggers, and she's piled one on top of another. Mark, Voeren and the music director of the choir in my hometown says that there's a part in analysts that does the same thing. And is there in hiding already? And and she starts singing in the composer has set these words in kind of style of of an American Sousa March. And, so she's talking about being in the bathtub and being scrubbed the bathtub and it's a Sousa. WE SCRUB SCRUB SCRUB yourselves in Tom. COM! Very happy optimistic, music And Frank in the bathtub to the tune of a Sousa March with the horrors of the Holocaust outside her door. Three absolutely concrete images in mercilus combination it just. floored me every every time I heard it. Because it was so close to you know our own daughter. To think that that she would have to create this kind of. Fiction in order to get through the day. That's how you get tears. You make the story so real and the details so sharp, and you add in so many emotional triggers that the listener cannot escape. But. It's a risky thing to do right. If you aren't a talented composer, and you don't do as sensitive rendition of those lyrics they could fall flat could seem forced even offensive. 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I read Michael Specter's Antoniacci vouching. Helped me understand our response to corona virus, and was particularly good, because of course Michael Specter has known since one, thousand, nine, hundred ninety. That's the kind of depth of experience. Get from New York around then I was reading this amazing book on brothers and I realized Oh. It's by Jane Mayer. And where did the material in the book appear I the? New York. In Times like these. Being educated and informed is every citizen's first responsibility. How do I go about doing that? I read. The New Yorker. Get Twelve weeks of the New Yorker for just six dollars plus the limited edition Tote at New Yorker Dot com slash glad well. You'll save fifty percent when you enter code. Glad well at checkout. Bobby Braddock was born in Auburndale Florida a little town between Tampa and Orlando. His father grew citrus. They were Church of Christ just about the most fundamentalist of fundamentalist Christians. Braddock moved to Nashville in nineteen, sixty four, just after getting married to seek his fortune in the music business. He wrote his memoirs a few years ago. It's called a life on Nashville's music row. Read it before I went to see him and the best way to describe the book is that it's exhausting. I don't mean that in a bad way because I couldn't put it down, so much happens. You've lived this incredibly tumultuous emotionally tumultuous life have yeah, and in the book sounds like the first. Precipitating event is the death of your son. Radic was touring with the country music legend Muddy Robbins at the time he and his wife sue had a baby. The child was just a few months old when he died whenever I was in town, not on the road. Maurie Robinson. Abra shingle date we buy fresh flowers. Go put it on great. We were excited. He ensue fight. She cheats on him. He cheats on her. They break up. They get back together. They have a daughter. They divorce. His Ex. Wife mysteriously vanishes. He drinks. A lot gets into fights owes enormous sums to the IRS has a major bout with depression smokes. A lot of pot lurches from one volcanic event to the next, and through it all braddock writes songs hundreds of them. You, kind of tolerance for. Emotional volatility seems. extraordinary. Guest. Tolerance is. Pretty good more for. Braddock walks over to the keyboard on the other side of the room begins to talk about an old girlfriend named Angela who committed suicide by driving her car into the river. died. Her mother. took her baby to raise it. and. She sent me a picture of that little girl. Was Child when she about four or five years. Let's just like her mom. Picture, her standing out in the yard. And boy did a number on me. Long. He wrote a song about that. In twenty minutes played it for me then he played his favorite bit of a sad randy newman song. He played me a heartbreaking song. He wrote once after getting up in the middle of the night and passing his lover in the hallway. And as he played one weeper. Either I realized that that thing I'd said about brex tolerance for emotional volatility. Tolerance was the wrong word that was just me projecting my up. thai-canadian Canadian self onto Braddock, but braddock is from the musical side of the United. States where emotion is not something to be endured. It's something to be embraced. At one point when cell phones were still analog, you could buy scanner and listening to other people's conversations, and that's what Braddock does. He can't help himself. A woman complains to her husband for an hour about his lack of affection from the parking lot at the grocery store, then asked him what he wants, and he says maybe Apple Newton's and then this is my favorite part. I'm quoting now from Brooks. Memoir the conversation that truly touched me was between a man, perhaps forty and his mother may be late sixties in which the sun opened up about sexual problems. He was having with his wife. And I envied the sprinkling of profanities and the mother's invitation to come over to the house son, and that's open a bottle of whiskey and talk about it wishing I had that kind of easy and open communication with my mom, then learning that the guy's mother was terminally ill with cancer. If you're keeping track. That's marital difficulties. Sex Profanity Whiskey mom N Terminal Cancer in one conversation, and it truly touched him. A. Favorite Song Is. Vince Gill's go rest high on that mountain, which Gill wrote in memory, both his brother, who died young of a heart, attack and fellow country star Keith Whitley. Who Drank himself to death? Do! in. Oh my God when bench gill. And Ricky skaggs and Patty loveless singing harmony on that thing I go nuts. It's still tearing me up. About? It vets routed about. Keith Whitland did about his own brother. And just emotionless in that song. It's just just powerful. gathered. Green. Shock. See Ya. It's heartbreaking. Listening to that song makes me wonder if some portion of what we call ideological division in America actually is an ideological at all. How big are the political differences between red and blue states, anyway in the grand scheme of things, not that big? Maybe what we're seeing instead is a difference of emotional opinion. Because if your principal foam of cultural expression has drinking, sex, suicide, heart, attacks, mom internal all on the table for public discussion than the other half of the country's GonNa seem really chilly and uncaring. And if you're from the rock and roll half clinging semi ironically to Tutti Fruity, oh, Rudy. When you listen to a song written about a guy's brother, who died young of a heart attack and another guy who drank himself to death. You'RE GONNA think. Who are these people. here's another way to think about the sad song line. Let me, read you. The list of the birthplaces of the performers of the top twenty country songs of all time again. I'm going to use a rolling stone magazine. Ready. Arkansas Virginia Alabama. Texas Mississippi Mississippi Georgia California's Central Valley by the way not. Los Angeles Tennessee Texas. Virginia Texas Kentucky. Alabama Tennessee Arkansas Texas Texas Kentucky Texas. I could do the top fifty or the top one, hundred or the top two hundred, and you get the same pattern. Basically you cannot be a successful country, singer or songwriter. If you're not from the south, it's impossible. There's one exception which is the great. Songwriter Harlan Howard who was born in Detroit, but almost immediately thereafter his family moves to a farm in Rural Kentucky. It's like the five second rule when you drop a piece of food on the floor. If it's not on the ground long enough, it doesn't count. As, far as I can tell, there are no Jews on the country list. Almost no, Catholics, only two black people. It's White Southern Protestants all the way down. Now compare that to the rock and roll list you've. Got Jews from. MINNESOTA, black people from Detroit Catholics in New Jersey Middle-class British art school drop-outs. Canadians Jamaicans. Rock and roll is the Rainbow Coalition. That diversity is a good thing. It's why there's so much innovation and rock and roll, but you pay a price for that. There was a very clever bit of research published recently by Colin Morris in the magazine. That pudding analyzed fifteen thousand popular songs using an algorithm that compresses digital files. So if you take out the repetitive bits in a song, how much is left? Moore's is big finding. Is that rock and roll as as Yarra is really really repetitive. Britney Spears Lady Gaga the Beatles. If you take out the Duke Book departs their music by sixty percent. That's what happens when everyone is from somewhere different nobody speaks the same language, so you have to use cliche the same phrases over and over again because if you go deeper or try to get more specific, you start to lose people. Country Music on the other hand is not nearly as repetitive. When Morris ran the lyrics of popular country singers through his algorithm, the only shrank by about forty percent, a third lesson, the Rock and rollers. Nor is hip hop repetitive which makes sense? The birthplaces of everyone on rolling Stone's list of greatest rap songs reads like an urban version of the country. l'est Queens. South central La Brooklyn Long Island South Central Long Beach, Houston Queens the Bronx. Englewood New Jersey the Bronx. Hip. Hop and country are both tightly knit musical communities. And when you're speaking to people who understand your world and your culture and your language, you can tell much more complicated stories. You can use much more precise imagery. You can lay yourself bear because you're among your own. In the book sounds like your relationship with sparky was the one that seemed the most creatively fruitful it was it was. sparky was beautiful, blonde from northern Alabama the great lava Bobby Braddock life. Why was that? At I think because saw. My. My my her so strong. I mean is. Sort of a visual thing. I think that's why I found Bobby. BREX book so exhausting. It's because everything is felt. Everything is a mountain peak and Sparky sparky was Everest high-altitude infatuation. Short thing that made people go entry crazy. And that was the case with her. You know. This is what gets an animal instinct of. People, maybe who haven't evolved as much as they should caused them to go out and get a gun. Blow ice brands out over some gun not. Can't stand the dollar some someone you know having sex with the person that he loves. Braddock and Sparky were on enough lovers for years. It was intense, painful euphoric. When it ended Braddock was in pieces. He kept her picture on wall. Went half crazy now. The that's Braddock in the original demo he made of. He stopped loving her today. He still loved her through it all. She come back. I'm not sure where it came from. It may have come bark. You know honestly don't know the interested. How could it not you if? I think it probably did, but I just can't see I can't see that for the certainty. I felt like braddock shrink at that moment, listening to his tangled dreams, and then wanting to shake him at the end of the session. It's Sparky, sparky! They found some letters by. When you wrote a song in the middle of the great. Dated, defining love affair. Of Your Life Relationship ends in your right right song about the heartbreak of. A man carries to his grave. I mean it's your. That's could be going to be more clear. I went to see him one lash. Bobby Braddock wrote. He stopped loving her today with his friend curly in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy seven. They took it to the singer George Jones. Jones was then at his lowest ebb. ereck strung out on cocaine whiskey. Checked out of a psychiatric hospital. The great love of his life Tammy Wynette had embodied her hit. Song D I v O R C E and left him. Jones had just newly shot and killed one of best friends. The heartbroken Bobby Braddock has written a song about a man who cannot stop loving a woman and it. Son By the heartbroken Joe Jones who cannot stop loving a woman. Some letters by. Eight in nineteen, sixty two. He had undergone. Underlined in red. Every single. Every single I love you. I went to see him just today. But I didn't. See no tears. All dressed up. To Go. First Time Hot. Seen him smile and you. Why did he finally turn his back on his great love? Why is this the first time? He smiled in years because he's dead. Only death could end his love. Daw-. and. How? He stopped loving. It's totally over the top Maudlin sentimental kitschy. Call it whatever you want, just don't fight it. One thing that Bobby Braddock told me in passing that I think about a lot. Is that he thought of the character in his song as a bad role model. Demand was obsessed. He couldn't let go. But, that's the point, right? That's why we cry. Because the song manages to find beauty, and even a little bit of grandeur in someone's frailty. And soon. He stopped loving. Dad. Wild horses please. Good, Morning Ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Grand Ole opry house to celebration of life of George Glenn Jones, one of the most important people ever of all time at any time in the history of country music to judge Jones died in two thousand thirteen. Everyone who was anyone in country music came to his memorial service. You should watch it if you get the chance. It's on Youtube all two hours and forty one minutes of it because it's everything I've been talking about. Vince Gill stands up with Patty loveless and sings. Go rest high on that mountain. And breaks down halfway through. Drivers It remembers a conversation. He wants had with Kris Kristofferson, but how they expected George Jones to have died years before. And I looked at Chris and I made the comment. You know with all the years. Of hard living. That George had. Who would have ever thought? That he would outlive Tammy. And Chris? Looked at me and said, had it not been for Nancy? He would not. Nancy Jones George Jones's fourth and final wife, the real love of his life, his soulmate and companion travis trick holds out his hand towards Nancy who sitting right in the front row. George said it many times. She's manger. And she saved my life. And, so we owe you a debt of gratitude. Then comes the crowning moment of the day the final performance Alan Jackson strides out onto the stage, a big rangy. Craggy features, cowboy boots jeans, long coat white Stetson. He looked squarely at Nancy Jones. And without introduction launches into. He stopped loving her to bear. To. Do. She told him you all game time. As you years man slow. And you realize as he sings. The braddock song has gotten even more specific. It's no longer about a long ago. Love affair! It's about right now. This is the day George Jones. Stop Loving Nancy Jones. Alan Jackson takes off his hat and places it over his heart. He stopped loving her. Today! And if you on crying. I can't help you. Love George. The grace of our time, ladies and gentleman. At, all time. That's Alan Jackson. Thank you. Visions. History is produced by meal Abell and Jacob Smith with Camille PAP Teesta. Stephanie, Daniel and Seal Mara Martinez White. Our editor is Julia Barton flawn Williams. Is Our engineer original by Louis Skara? Special thanks to Andy Bowers and Jacob. Weisberg I'm out about. Okay now for the loss cut which Julia denied you all those years ago. Know! You. Didn't. Godwin Vince Gill. Ricky skaggs and Patty loveless singing harmony on that thing i. Still. Northern about their. Bench wrote it about. Keith Whitland did about his brother. And just the emotion in that song, it's just it's just powerful. Gathered brand. Green. Shock coup. A, By, the way speaking Vince Gill when I was in Nashville I went to see a guy named Jack. Eisenhower who wrote a great book about Country Music Eisenhower talked about going to a funeral in town and spotting Vince guilt the front of the church just before he was about to perform. And he was sitting with his guitar. Turning it up and he was crying. Before we ever got up on air got up to sing I'm he was crying is a grown man. Had to say in two minutes. And got up and saying some him, I'd ever heard heard before about Jesus or whatever just like Oh my God I mean. This is country music. Thank you Vince. Vince Gill actually has a new album out called Oak. Should go and listen to. Jack Eisenhower is the author of many excellent books including. He stopped loving her today all about the recording of George Jones's greatest album. Jacks one of the secret stars of this episode, and now I'm going to give him the credit. He deserves I. S. E. N. H., O.. U. R. Korea. If you WANNA, get sneak peeks at the new episodes of revisionist history. Sign up for our newsletter at Pushkin. Dot FM. We have some great shows coming out right now. Including a new mini season of Tim, Harford. Brilliant Cautionary Tales. It's six episodes unpacking. The world turned upside down by Covid nineteen, and you'll hear a short excerpt next so wipe your tears. See you Thursday June eighteenth with a new season and to tide you over. Here's a little bit of Tim Harford. Imagine the seed a large ballroom, twelve hundred people seated around tables, enjoying the finest dining, nineteen seventy seven has to offer, which admittedly isn't saying much. But? Having a wonderful evening at the Beverly Hills Supper Club which naturally given the name. Is just outside Cincinnati. There's a comedy duo on stage in the headline. Performer is expected very soon. The singer and TV personality John Davidson a big star in the time. But what the audience here doesn't know. Is that on the other side of this scrolling complex function rooms? Something's gone wrong. A fire has broken out and spreading fast. The fire department has already been cold, and the fire is still some distance away from the crowded cabaret room. The more it spreads more fuel. It finds the hotter it gets, the faster it moves. Safety Standards at the Supper Club on what they should be. Isn't a fire alarm. There isn't a sprinkler system. and. There isn't a of time. And nobody in that room. Knows of the fire is on its way. One remarkable young man, Walter Bailey did his best. Bailey was barely more than a boy. He was eighteen years old and he worked as an assistant waiter. Bailey had seen the fire and he realized that. Was a long way from the cabaret room. Somebody needed to tell all those people to start evacuating. While tomato found the supervisor in the Cabaret Room, explained about the fire and asked him to clear the room. The supervisor looked confused. Hayley told him again. The supervisor turned and walked off. To, clear the room thought Bailey. Found Seventy people lining up to get into the cabaret room back. Let them instead to safety. When he returned. He found that nobody inside the Kabiru it. I'm Tim Harford. Joe Listening. To cautionary, Tale. This cautionary tale is going to be a little different. I. That's okay. The world seems different these days, so I've been writing some new stories for you to suit the Times wherein. It'll be a little shorter, little simpler, and perhaps a little more focused on the challenges. We face right now. And this episode is different than another way, too, because in a small way. It's about me about what I got wrong and I hope about what you can learn from my mistakes. We'll come back to my mistakes and to the fire. In the Beverly Hills, Supper Club, but I I wanted to ask you a question. Do you remember Captain Pastrengo geography. You must cautionary tales season one episode one. It was about an oil tanker, the size of the Chrysler, building a ship with name Torrey Canyon that ship was headed for a sunken massive rocks, vicious reputation called the seven stones and Captain Pastrengo Yati Poor Pastrengo Rouge Yati stead his ship closer and closer and closer. To disaster. Go, listen again if you like. Oh White. The mystery of Torrey, Canyon. You may remember. Is that while Captain Jacques? TETI was steering his ship towards the rocks. The weather was good. The visibility was good Torrey. Canyon had radar, and the seven stones were clearly marked both on all the charts and by a lighthouse special warning ships to keep away. That was still time to change course justice. There was still time to evacuate the Cabaret Room And yet. Torrey Canyon did not turn. Just as the people in the Suffolk Club cabaret room did not move. Captain was Yati was a man a hurry. He'd made a plan to head straight for harbor, one hundred and fifty miles beyond those rocks, but his original cost was chartered safely through deep open water. That at least was the plan. But now new information is coming in the ship has drifted off the expected course overnight closer to shore. He's now heading for a tight squeeze past seven stones, fishing boats have appeared blocking his way. The current is pushing him towards the rocks. His plan is getting riskier and riskier. But at no point does he stopped? Reflect. And rethink everything. Instead with each new piece of bad news, he furrows his brow and rededicate himself. To his original plan. So. Here's my confession. In the face of the growing corona virus epidemic. I behaved in exactly the same way. It took me far too long to really think about the information that was coming my way. It took me even longer to take action. To. Captain was Ya.

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Tanya Tucker: Country legend, Grammy nominee

Bullseye with Jesse Thorn

34:18 min | 10 months ago

Tanya Tucker: Country legend, Grammy nominee

"Bullseye with Jesse Thorn is a production of maximum fund dot org and is distributed by NPR. So I'm Jesse Thorn. It's bullseye tenure. Tucker recorded her first single in one thousand nine hundred seventy two. When she was thirteen years old it was called called Delta Dawn? She cut it with Billy Sherrill. The veteran country music producer. Who had collaborated with George Jones? And Tammy Wynette Delta dawn on is a sad story song about a woman who's abandoned decades ago by her lover not really a song four kids and tenue Tucker. It doesn't really sound like a kid on the record we're GONNA play it in a bit. You'll hear what I mean. It was a country smash. There are dozens of versions of the song from a copycat recording by the STRALIA and country singer. Helen Reddy which hit even bigger than Tucker's version to a cabaret rendition. By Bette Midler Waylon Jennings Thinks Loretta Lynn. And Kitty Wells. I'll cut it to the song. Launched Tucker's career a girl who sang far beyond her years. She's released just about two dozen records since then. Her latest is while I'm living. It's her first record of original material over fifteen years produced by Brandi Carlile Carlisle and shooter Jennings. It's a record informed by pain since her last album. Daniel lost both her parents and dealt with some health issues of her own. It's also also beautiful. The lead single from the record bring. My flowers now is nominated for song of the year at this year's Grammy Awards. Let's take a listen Flowers now while I'm living in those spent time and money read headless body if your heart is in them's hours Raynham Slow the MOMS shadow. Settle good girl back back. Learned Playing League my Daddy Mora not for the most part and and talk to bowls. I'm so happy to have you on the show. Hey thanks Jesse good. Good to talk to you. Can you tell me about where that song that we just heard came. I'm from yeah I mean I. I've had it in my back pocket for quite a few years and but just couldn't get it past the chorus and I walked brand. ESPN come in and finish it on the last day of the sessions when we were in California and making this new record and when in the piano room and I don't know maybe thirty I five forty minutes we've finished it and You know it just went right to the vocal booth and recorded it. So what you hear on this record is just like it came out in my mouth. There was no no fixing anything. How did you feel working in that context where you were saying more or less us as live? Well I mean it took me back to the days when I first started out with Billy Sherrill. You know the first records I made. We made pretty much like that with it. Live everybody's in the studio pushed the record button and it's all on the same deal and the only thing they did differently probably was was the background vocals. We did after I I got done saying the but with billy back you know don't Delta on all the way up to would you lay okay with midfielder stone. Although songs were recorded with the vocals and the background vocals at the same time with a little bit of Delta Don. which was your first? I tip long on a daddy. Still calls a baby while the Bulls around Brownsville. Safest the Aussie walks now. Down with a suitcase in Buchen again bull mysterious day DA. It is wall on you. Yeah I mean like thirteen or fourteen years old. Yeah you cut that record. I heard that when you were in the studio not only were you sing. Sing it with the band and the backup singers as though it was live you were just seeing it with with monitors in front of you not even not even wearing headphones right. No that billy never would let me have any headphones. So it was a little I've never seen him since. There were two monitors one on each side of my head head and kind of like two or three inches thick and very like Maybe a foot and a half tall square and on each side of my head at the microphone I haven't done it like that sense. At least this time I had a set of headphones. So we go. We've come up in the world. Well I mean that was my experience of hearing Delta Don which is one of my absolute favorite songs. Take his I had the album and and You know I've bought it a US record store or something like that and you know you look young on the cover of the record but I. I wouldn't have guessed that you. Enough enough time had passed in hairstyles head cycled enough that And and makeup styles had changed enough. That you could just as well have been nineteen as as a Thirteen or fourteen on the cover of the record and it absolutely blew my mind when I learned how young you were when you cut it but I I had that experience again in watching Bette midler sing the song. Oh aw your it was in her. Act Act I started seeing it on the Bette midler show on Youtube and I was like this is. It's I mean it's literally the same song but substantially in every way completely and I liked bill mettler but I was like Whoa so did you. Did you hear or something in that song that made you think that that would be a special song for you personally in a way. That was very different from the way it was on on the demo or or in the record that had been out. I think you know being a kid that time. I didn't really place any preconceived thoughts or or even really. Do you think about it that much. You know I just. I didn't know why elected I just knew that I did and That carried on later when I saw that so many young people were attracted to the song not and even knowing what it was about something about the melody the haunting melody the but the words I mean why would the youngster before attracted to those mature words. I have no answer for that. I just think it was something that struck a chord with me and I didn't really think about it too much at that time. You know. The song has something special about got it and I'm not sure you can really put words to what it is. I want to play another one of your early. Hits Ended up on on your second album album and I think that It's another one of my favorite songs ever and it's another song that is. It has a real intense spooky edge to it that is made all the more unusual. Because you were I guess. Fourteen or fifteen years old when you were singing at. It's called a blood red going down. Let's let's take a listen. Never Barroom Tom as well by the dead found bill the rest. He's scared. Look Lim the mold solved the thanks. It's an intense offer. The he's singing curly putman wrote that song who also wrote he stopped loving her today and Green Grass of home but to me on that Song Long Jerry Carrigan playing drums. There's a drum lick riff on there that I've never been able to get anybody to copy it. It's just like certain kind of drum thing that I've never. I heard on the other record that he did and it was just a you know like I say I've heard these songs for what forty eight years you know I I guess for Delta Dawn and it'll be forty seven for this one but I I loved the song and it was very intense And maybe you know that was is part of the mystery of it is because I was so young and my dad told me I mean when I was a kid. You got two problems at one your girl and the other one's your your nine year old girl so he said you're going to have to sing these songs that you're singing with twice the feeling because no one's going to believe it. It's not believable coming from a nine year zero kid so you know he worked with me on that to try to promote song was in in sort of a bit of an acting job but singing singing instead of acting in the acting it out and my vocal performance. But you know I didn't think too much about all that that time. I just sang it the best. I knew how to saying doing it and I guess it was convincing you. Know How is it different for you to sing those songs that you had recorded as a child as You know when you were thirty fifteen years later or when you were forty five. I might sing them better. They're now as far as vocal ability and quality But I don't think necessarily that they're better you know I might have might be singing them. You know better technically but as far as feel there was no there was no better way way to do those songs and they they could. I've done them live sense. There's no way to Redo recapture what those tracks in those songs. Those records were in that time it was just once in a lifetime thing and I've had a lot of those so I'm very lucky. It's Bullseye Jesse Thorn. My guest is the singer. Tanya Tucker her new record while I'm living is her first collection of original music in over fifteen years. Here's another song from it. It's called hi. Ryden heroes midnight red eyes whisking I flare critic to fly. She's a bad risks but a good free small gains aims and loosens only regrets that she been faster on the draw those Around there where the window she'd been the Hail Texas and Gino's goes out fees too hot streak drug goes back to the wagon and undo the we when you were A kid and a young teenager before you started recording for record labels your dad one money in a Keno game game to pay for you to make a demo spent two days playing Keno straight to do it yeah. Did you know that was weird at the time you know. I didn't even know it really. I didn't even know he was doing it He just came in about midnight when my mother my mom myself were a little trailer we lived in Saint George Utah Shaw Mother. Tanyug it up. We gotta go. We're GonNa make some demo tapes. I just want some money so we got in the car went right to Las Vegas and he set it up where got him. Cotton Harp was here and I don't hey met him but he was a bass player and he had a family so we stayed with the with him and his family. While we were you know just stayed here a couple of days Went into did six songs in about three hours Yeah that that. That wasn't normal. Arbel looking back on. It wasn't normal. Nothing was normal in my my early days are don't seem to be very normal now. Either sent a very abnormal life. That is not a life that everyone could have would have been good for everyone or anyone else really. It was just singularly mind what else was not normal about your early days Just all kinds of things that you know. When a Jimmy Durante was playing the Arizona State Fair Fair He? We went up there and from Wilcox at than Phoenix and I saw him. Oh at the Coliseum. Getting hot dog in the afternoon. My Dad's go get him so I went over and said introduced myself and said Mr Ramtane you Tucker and I'm I'm eleven years old and I I really really would like to get started as a singer and would like your advice on that and he said we'll come back after the show. Let me sing. So we were watching the show and REX Allen was about to introduce him many said ladies and gentlemen. We're sorry we had an accident. Mr Jurani was coming on stage tonight and he fell and he's had to be he's they the running to the Hospital Emergency Room so my dad doesn't stop there. I found myself in the hospital room at the hospital. With Jimmy. durante in bed talking to his agent with head about ninety two stitches across his face. He fell and cut his face open and they'd stitches face up and he was talking to his agent. Agents said kick me didn't do the show must go on and then he looks up and sees me and my dad there in the hospital room and hangs up the phone and of course you know my dad's we're we're here to let you hear my daughter saying so I did. I sang to him. You know he loved it but I I guess he did. It was very nice very kind and But those things aren't normal you know and my dad was not a normal human being. Did you folks travel with you when when you were on the road as a teenager. Elliott may were with me all the time and then later on my brother and my sister we were all on the same bus and it was kind of a family affair with the band And so we all wrote on the bus and it was tight but I drive relief drives sometimes. Even though I was didn't driver's license I would drive and we did what we had to do to get through it and get to the next show which are brother and sister think of it well rather drove. That was normal to them. It wasn't you know they'd already been through that my brother especially we all learned to drive very anees age. I was thinking about four or five. Tena I'm not talking about what your brother and sister think about driving the bus. I'm talking about what you other existent think about other with a band. Oh well you know. Was this kind of a normal thing. You know it just like we're all in this family together we're GONNA get through all this and we're going to prevail and be have success in we'll all be successful successful together. Did you have a part of your life where that wasn't what you want it all the time every other day. No I'm quitting every other day. I you know I I get I get frustrated. Just like anybody does about their work or their job or their life and then I really remember the next day I remember how fortunate I am and you know. Count my blessings and and when I start accountant I there's not a number big enough so I just try to keep my head up and get through it because it doesn't get any easier US learn how to handle it better. I think I think I'm not sure. Sometimes if I handle it really and all but I I every day's a challenge in every audiences. This is a challenge in every interview. No a Bullseye Jesse Thorn. I'm talking with country singer. Tenure Tucker Doc. I worked with my dad briefly when I was in my like early mid twenties early twenties and I love that can lead complicated. Let's say Look I love my dad. he's a he's a great man And it was a good dad I and and God bless him for finding away to get me some part time work when that was what was standing between me and eating but it was a disaster is a disaster. Yeah I would think so especially for a guy you were you worked with. You worked with your dad and as you know and as well as your mom But especially your dad. Who was your manager? His entire life all the time for decades well there were struggles for sure. Believe me I know it not see those struggles to of my brother and my dad. That was a difficult situation. And of course my my hi Ed had ended up really dis- disowning him and Didn't didn't even consider him to be a son and they went through a lot of problems. I I can't imagine being a son comparing himself to my dad. You know that had to be hard being a girl but I didn't make didn't mean ahead it. Ladies Year. It was in some ways I guess it would have been but you know I had my struggles to with him by media. He was very middle. The Stuart my way or that's it in highway so the and I did the highway so you know there were times when I didn't listen to him and I should have and if I have any regrets. That's probably the one of the biggest the biggest ones that I didn't listen to him at the right time and I would have been more successful sooner If I had listened to him and but now I'm he's been gone since. Oh six and I think I listened to a now more than ever even though it's a little late but Maybe not too late. What do you think of when you think of him like if you? I don't know if you do this but I know my mom is always telling me that. She's she talks to her. Mom who's been gone a long time so when when you talk to your dad who's who's been gone for more than a decade. What do you think about him telling you Komo sounds strange but sometimes I held I have a wallet? He had still has said he books in it and I can get hold that wallet and I can ask any question. I want And get an answer they somehow he is guiding me from above I really do. I have no doubt actually so but there were times when there was no guiding me and I'm sure now that I have three kids I I really understand where he was coming from from and I apologized to him all the time saying. Oh my God now I know why you what you were doing and what you were trying to say. 'cause I talked to my one of my daughters or my son my mostly my daughters and they just don't get it you know and I have the frustration that my dad had in. See it so clearly But I could not see it at that time by see it now even more with Tanya Tucker still to come after a quick break. She'll tell us about at the time she met and rebuffed. The advances of one Elvis Presley stay with us. It's Bullseye for maximum fund dot org and NPR NPR's peers life. Kit Wants to help you make changes actually stick this New Year for how to do dry January to how to start creative habit. We've got new episodes almost to help you start the year off right. New episodes every Tuesday and Thursday listening. Subscribe to life kid friendly fire. There is a podcast about war movies. But it's so much more than that. It's history breath. We're just supposed to be another assignment. It's comedy under no circumstances interest. Are you to engage the enemy. It's cinema studies combination subscribing download friendly fire on your pod catcher of choice or than and maximum fund dot Org and also come see us at San Francisco Sketch Fist on January sixteenth you can get tickets. SF SKETCH FEST DOT COM. Welcome back to Bullseye. I'm Jesse Thorn. I'm talking with Tanya. Tucker she's a veteran country singer she had her first hit single in nineteen seventy two when she was thirteen years old. She's got a new record. It's called while I'm living. It's her first collection of original music over fifteen years. Here's another song from the album. Pop this one is called the day my heart goes still. Yes I know will allow meal L. to dame out heart goes still put me in the ground up on some His adult think ever get mad. I'm going to be due to the day my heart goes. I was young. There were two things that I imagined and like I said I really don't know 'cause I wasn't there but I'm going to tell them to you. In case they make sense to you or don't make sense to you either way okay. One of them was I was thinking. What an unusual situation? It must be to be a teenager. You're in a world of adults where you are and I'm I'm talking about basically everybody in your life. Besides sides are siblings when you were a teenager right and like constantly having to demonstrate that you belong there when you certain I mean goodness knows you had the talent to belong there. I don't think that's a question right and you had the skills as a performer to belong there. I mean when you were an incredible singer when you were thirteen years old but the you didn't have other equipment to their. I'm sure sure you're still a sixteen year old or an eighteen year old or whatever I really want to just be one of the boys and in fact. That's one of the songs I wrote for the Salvin. I've been hold onto for about ten years that I've been working on so called one of the boys. It's not hard for a girl like me to be one of the boys and I really just wanted to be one of the boys always wanted to be Elvis's buddy you know They had no visions of me Going into his bedroom rethink closer than that. I just wanted to be a friend and that maybe I thought maybe he might need and But it was hard to get through especially two men that I was not a girl girl. I'm just a girl of saying and Get past set to be friends and you know sometimes I still have that little struggle. But it's not as big as as it used to be But that was one of the things but also just talking to musicians that were older than me that were much more experienced in much more knowledgeable about music than I was was difficult for me to tell them what to do and not that I could tell them how to do it right. I just knew they weren't doing it right. And that was a difficult problem for me a very very difficult. You know I heard in you you talking about Elvis. Just now something that I probably 'cause I'm a I'm a guy had not thought about so. Tell me if I'm misreading the situation but I am guessing that one of the biggest problems when you're young woman was in finding belonging or seeking belonging was not just that you were much younger than the people around you. You know that you were a thirteen year old or a seventeen year old in your around twenty any five year olds or thirty five year olds but that you were a woman in a situation where most of the people around whether it was in the industry or your fellow artists were man he has. Your band was probably almost all men and so on and so forth and so you know when you are seeking regular friendship belonging. A lot of those men might have been seeking Something else else I mean very true. I mean that that was. I mean. That was not a problem. I mean it was definitely a hiccup every every now and then you know but you know just learn how to get through that and it's hard to kind of work through that and figure out how to handle those kinds of situations. My Dad was very good about helping me with that. He gave me a lot of advice. You know when I when I walked out that night to meet Elvis Presley or to do to see his show because I never Ford to go and then and even if I did I I wanted to meet him when he knew who I was. Not just some random in girl you know. I wanted him to know me. And so Waited and then I got invited to see a show in Las Vegas and me and my sister went and on the way outside the door. My Dad opened the door. The trailer house lived in Henderson and he said listen here. He said that buoying have any girl he wants in the world. He said just let him know he can't have you and I never forgot about that. And so later when we come back stage and I went back and Elvis cronies where they were they were kind of getting a little nervous because he hadn't come out to say hello to me yet and I know the whole score Gore now. Because that's you know I've I've been there done that and They couldn't give me a drink. I was underage. You know I remember looking back. It was like peanuts. You also mammograms. How about some cashiers? You know they. They were just coca-cola you know and I just said I looked at my sister. I said five minutes. We're OUTTA here. I'm I'm not waiting for him. And they think someone must have went back and told him because it wasn't five minutes he popped out and and talk to me and then of course at the end of after we've talked a little while he He went to kiss me and he went to kiss me on the lips. And so I give the old side cheek you know and I think wanted us all the biggest smile at ever seen on his face he he he got it you know he got it and and he thought it was pretty amazing. I think at that age that I could act like that. You know last thing I want him to think of. I want him for any other reason. You know then the buddy what was it like for you as a lifelong picker of hit songs. A person who went of your you know one of your great skills that I know you are very proud of was was choosing the right material for yourself south recording great songs you've recorded so many great you know country story songs and songs that were not represent in direct representations of yourself and your story I think to have to have to producers on this record come in and and say hey we've written some songs their kind of about you and you don't get to pick them necessarily yeah well to Whitley. I'd decision whether to do them. We're not and I had decided not to do them several times. They tell me but I I I talked to a you. Don't you don't remember I. I said I did read a quarterback you cancelled it four times but I I just really really have had a nate innate ability to pick great songs and not just for me but for other people I have a really kind of I don't know if it's a talent Alan or what but To be able to put a song with the right singer and I've done it so many times To bit of a noted I'm good at it and and this time I really didn't think these songs we're going to be good enough and I've never been prouder to be wrong but I was wrong about that. And people have really been attracted to this new album through all the kicking and screaming and digging and my feet in and drag me to La. It's just. I'm just glad I did it. You know it's like I'm glad I worked out for three hours. You know feel much better. Come like smoking you know you quit smoking anything. You're always so proud of yourself. What it took to get there is really difficult and and I went through a lot of doubts? Doubts doubts. That's all ahead was doubts. You know I'll always have a few doubts about anything but this was over overwhelming. But I'm glad I did it. You know it just shows me that Maybe I'm not an old dog. I'm I'm learning new tricks. You know thank you. Thank you so much for coming on Bullseye. It was a it was a real dream to have you on the show. I really appreciate you taking this time. Thanks Jesse and it was great talking to you. You Talk to you any day. It's easy I mean you you make me think so. I wouldn't say it's easy but definitely make me think you take what I can get things. Thank you lot tenure Tucker. Her new album is called while I'm living. Let's listen to one more song from it's called hard-luck still the NATTA was boned. Shoes or ragged and my jeans were tone. Oh turn aware that none of these things a map as wide open. Nadu's had the same. He you too hard nut. who were Lord knows them? My Heart Tomi when I was a young girl. Don't do Hank Williams down now. The trouble is shows what you give when you got to be bad. Aw that's the end of another episode of Bullseye. Bullseye is produced at maximum fund dot Org World Headquarters overlooking the Carpark Beautiful Los Angeles California. Where just before the holidays? There was another park concert now. Usually we get those park concerts during the summer concert series. This time it was a holiday show a group move. Dad's playing Christmas music and also one white stripes covers. Our show is produced. By speaking into microphones. Are Producers Kevin Ferguson. Hey Soussan Brosio is our associate producer. Sir We get help from Casey. O'Brien production fellows are Jordan cowling and Melissa. Dwayne you are interstitial. Music is by Dan. Wally also known as Dj w our theme song is by the team or thanks to them and their label Memphis Industries for letting US use it and we have decades of interviews that you can listen two from past episodes of Bullseye They're all at our website. Maximum Fund Dot Org. You can also find them in other channels Like YouTube Ah your favorite podcast APP. So on and so forth for example you like country music you like Tanya Tucker on this week show why I listen to my interview with Dolly Parton from a couple years ago. That was a great one. Dolly Parton is exactly who you wish Dolly Parton would be. She totally delivers. Full Dolly Parton. She's men she's just the greatest I and I think that's about it just remember all great. Radio hosts have signature sign off Bullseye. With Jesse. Thorn is a production of maximum fund dot Org and is distributed by N._p._R..

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041620 ATJ in 30

Ace and TJ

16:32 min | 6 months ago

041620 ATJ in 30

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Everybody's eaten a lot. But let's get started with hairbrush songs in theory podcast. So it turned out. These are just really good songs. We asked ladies. What is your Hairbrush Song? The song that gets you excited. It makes you want to pick up a hairbrush and sing and do a concert from absolutely nobody but turns out. A lot of these are just fun. Good songs pop songs mostly but some of them are stupid. There are well. I'm kidding we got. Dm's that actually thought. I know to the I I guess to my head that would come up Girls Just WanNa have fun by Cyndi Lauper as twice in our. Dm's and it's raining. It's raining there are certain songs and it seems to be more female than male oriented that spanned generations. It's interesting every every girl seems to love. Girls Just WanNa have fun. Yeah every girl seem to love Jesse's girl by Rick Springfield and I WANNA dance with somebody. Who's American woman by Lenny Kravitz? That's mine away from me. That was a remake Alexis. 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James Allison: Immune to Failure

What It Takes

48:16 min | 7 months ago

James Allison: Immune to Failure

"This is not an episode about Willie Nelson though that is him singing on this bootleg recording. No this is a story about the gentlemen playing Harmonica Willie Nelson at that concert. He's an amateur musician named James Allison or as most people call him. Jim Because me doc now so I play a lot of times so have you talked to him since he won the Nobel Prize. A play with it but I haven't really talked hasn't played with the Nobel Prize winner before adult. Yep Jim Allison Dr. Jim Allison is a biochemist in immunologist and a winner of the two thousand Eighteen Nobel prize and yes of course playing with Willie Nelson has been one of the highlights of his life but winning the Nobel for developing an entirely new cancer treatment. That has saved hundreds of thousands of lives and counting. Well there's no topping the APP Jim Allison and the key discovery. That opened the door for successful immunotherapy on this episode of what it takes a podcast about passion vision and perseverance from the Academy of Achievement. I'm Alice Winkler at a main. This child is gifted and I heard that enough that I started to believe if you have the opportunity not a perfect opportunity and you don't take it. You may never have another chop it. All was so clear it was just like the picture started to form. Itself was new wing. Which ally could prevail over the truth darkness over light their life every day? I wake up and decide today. I'm going to love my life. Decide decide if they're going to break a leg or it's when you go in play stay out of their off and then along companies differential experiences. But you don't look for you. Don't plan for the boy better. Not Miss Him. Jim Allison is a serious hard working guy. He came up with a new treatment for cancer for goodness sake but he likes to play hard to as he will tell you. The harmonica should have given you one hint on that front. He actually plays and sings into all scientists bands. The bigger of two the one with a horn section is called the checkpoints. They play mostly at medical conferences and do note that name the checkpoints because its significance will become clear a little later in this. If favorite song that the band plays several. My favorite is king. Baby I liked. I like muddy waters whereas old king be buzzing around your Hive Tamil King be baby buzzing around your hive together. We can make honey baby. Let me inside you know. Then it goes from there Mary. Jordan Washington Post correspondent by day is the person who interviewed Jim. Allison for the Academy of Achievement in the fall of two thousand nineteen. Mary warmed up with some questions about music before hitting the hard science and she really wanted to get to the bottom of the Willie. Nelson story turns out he. I played with Willie long before his star. Turn IN CANCER RESEARCH. It was in the nineteen seventies and he was doing a post doc in San Diego at the Scripps Clinic Playing Music. Two nights a week at a local club one day Willie Nelson came through town for a party thrown for him by Columbia records. One of the policemen the through the band. Tell me about this party. Because they were kept plotting security for it and he said you WANNA come. I'll get chance crashed. The party went up to Williams. The police help the doctor crash. The party Willie Nelson so so anyway so after you know after trinity was Tammy Wynette. I don't remember who knows Waylon Jennings. I think just each did a couple of songs and tributes there really finished and then I went up and just introduce myself said. Hey I've seen you hundred times in Austin anyways so strange because you say oh you live here and I said and he says well I got off and I'd like to play some music someplace. Second pick because he had his job on his bass player with him so I said sure. It's not down stingray and You know which I play that I was supposed to play said the singer that the next night you bought Willie Nelson Amateur Diet so we piled into my Volkswagen bus. You know drove up. We he was in San Diego. Actually we were in North County. So we drove up to the stingray and went in and and as luck would have it. This guy was supposed to sing. Sing in what we saw last crying in the rain and I walked in with really and this guy just about fanshawe after a while you know there were about eight people in this club you know. So we got up was based at a big devil read harmonica one one song or them and then sat down and they started plying pay for about three hours and it was pre- seventy some. This is pretty cell phone days with those. Never forget there was one payphone on the ball and people kept calling by the time. Willie I really cranking placers pack a number of years later Willie Nelson's actual harmonica player. Mickey Raphael Read An Article. About Jim Allison's research the article mentioned that Allison was a huge Willie Nelson Fan and had once even gotten to play with them. And so I got an email from this guy could've said hey you know what other word could do on it anytime you. WanNa play this. Come and sit in. At first the offer was too intimidating but the two harmonica players became email friends and eventually Jim Allison took him up on the offer several times. Mary asked Jim. Allison when he's on stage. What is it he thinks about? Most of the time God delivery blow it ex note you know by the time I was playing Austin city limits. They invited me to play with really awesome. Which was this huge festival there. Seventy thousand people in the audience and Someone out and played this time. It was Willie's hottest railway up and smoke me when I'm gone so I was say that whole Monica lead. That with Mickey I mean he was GonNA play one. I was GONNA play another and I'd just I blew out in the middle of it so pissed off it. So walking back to make bustard onset teams. I can't believe that he said Jab Jab Jab. You're the scientist. I'm the harmonica players. I want you to make mistakes mistakes. You just keep in mind what you're supposed to be doing. You're just having fun here. Don't take this stuff seriously but Jim Allison is pretty driven and for him these two pursuits. Research and music aren't entirely different with abandoned. Been playing. It's just something you know it's It's a little bit like doing science but not I mean very different in a way but similar everybody you know you got all these guys. And they're doing their own staff and then you get together and when it's all click it's amazing when is all clicking? So let's talk about science. When did you I know you wanted to be scientists? Say by the time it's about eighth grade scientist or or Dr Most. Certainly I mean. I didn't really know what science was then. Of course he knew enough though. He had a chemistry set and a microscope and he lived on the edge of town. I love the name of Alice. Texas where he often went into the woods to collect frogs and other things which he would dissect when he got back home. I was alone after. My mom died Yeah my dad anyway. I spent a lot of time alone. I was lucky enough to have some counselors who semi off to Austin during the summers to family. There's almost pasta family. I stayed with and attend classes in. Ut Austin that was my escape Kinda got seaboard. It's not that. Alice was a terrible price with except they wouldn't teach evolution and a high school. That was a big problem case in point. I had this teacher who was fantastic. One of the best. He can make math. Physics Chemistry Guy was the best teacher. Ever had biology. Nothing you know. And they say biology for last and Texas by then by the time I was coming up to take it. I'd I'd experienced policy. I've actually got it. A special program worked at a lab. You Know Research Lab at UT Austin one summer after my junior year in high school. And and I'd read be read Darwin and I'm not particularly but I don't see that I just don't see a problem but but I but I did see a problem with that because I said you can't. You can't teach biology without ideas of dollar anymore. You teach physics. The ideas of I mean. How do you make any sense of it? Do you believe in God. Yeah I guess so I mean I don't know I don't believe he's running everything all the time I mean but maybe I don't know who created anything I mean maybe I mean I don't know how they started. I mean I mean to me. That's not relevant. I mean we're supposed to do we're supposed to do right. I mean what is it we supposed to do. I think is just do good. You know I think every person just has an obligation to pass the world and make it a better place for you but for other people as well. It's your obligation but I I got big problems and high school because I refuse to take the course and So if I take the course because teach evolution and what happened when you refuse to told me I was GONNA Finish High School. I couldn't get my degree. Well what are we going to do? His Dad who was a country doctor backed him up and they somehow worked it out with the school system. Though Mr Arrear that science teacher who was teaching physics at the time made life pretty unpleasant for the remainder of the year. What effect do you think it had that you lost your mother when you were young Well it was first of all it was was pretty hard every one of the things that realize so much time but I have since then a lot I mean prolong times i. It's it's kind of red though. I don't really have any memories of her except her dying because I was holding her hand died and although I was nine ten ten years old and I should've I don't know I just before that he's over. It died of cancer star Lymphoma. I didn't know at the time either because people talk about it back. Then you know Cancer Hush Hush it should be radiation therapy for quite a while require you know. She's always thought it was always burned. Saw Her brother was diagnosed shoe after she died. Her brother was diagnosed melanoma on time. Still I mean there was no cure. So he's back. You refused their ops. That our oldest brother who was a rancher jacket Rolla bulldogs with one hand. Not as hard as he paid for the long cancer. But you know he had chemo. I got Saw Him occasionally to in an oxygen tent reduced from his huge full alive cowboy this sacred bones. Anyway I got this so you saw cancer really up close and what. How was eating people killing people and you yourself had cancer three times actually luckily my brushes with cancer. They've been taught early. My eye prostate cancer off. I have two brothers. Middle Brother died of it. All three of us have prostate cancer and Mine was caught pretty early but his was so severe and so rapid that Normally probably would have just waited but time they decided the best thing to do is take it out. Even though they could have probably waited a year or two made a decision. You WanNa take a chance given how fast your brother's progress so so. When did you decide you know? I WANNA BE CANCER. You know the asset a lot. I think that was always seminole or something you know but it's not that I said I'm going to cure cancer. I got into science. I said I WANNA. I really wanted to find something. I was interested in when I was in graduate school. I did a one of my projects. Did doing my page directly on on how to treat cancer but ultimately I decided that wasn't GonNa go that route. I got into the immune system Trained in chemistry biochemistry and took a course algae when I was in cal- undergraduate and heard about this paper. Actually the Max Brand Jacques Miller and these two guys did were but these guys discovered two components the system b cells and t cells. And I said I gotta get into this understand this. This is the coolest thing I've ever heard about all this work. That's come from. There's and they're just now. Getting record is the week before this interview. In fact Max. Cuper and Jacques Miller were awarded the lasker prize the most prestigious science prize. In the United States apprise Jim Allison one in two thousand fifteen aurora. Maximum voter. Can't believe my work. Everybody Springs from yours. Can you explain to the people listening? You Know How. Your cancer cure works. Yeah so it's not that hard people have been you know your immune system of course has the ability particularly T. cells to detect. When there's something wrong and I say that I mean because that kid include infections you know I mean it's just a very good obviously at detecting when you've got a virus infection or you got bacteria and dealing with them and they know how to deal with the bacteria not hurt your cells and that's the fascinating thing about him and they do. This is recognized. Not Self which is it. Sounds like a complicated thing. But basically they know that that immune system as receptors that enables it figure out when there's something going on inside a cell that shouldn't be there they don't need to know what it is but just out to be there at some new And Way that works is pretty fast. They're these receptors generated individually on different T. cells to probably got somewhere around fifty million different ones. And you maybe maybe a hundred. Nobody knows for sure but they each can recognize something different but when they recognize something. That shouldn't be either like a virus infected cell. They'll recognize can recognize things. That virus causes the cell to make. That aren't no you and they respond to that by expanding from a small number two a lot and then killing it so we've got these hunting. Tens of millions of different sow such. You've got a diverse repertoire. Of course then you've got to get hundreds of thousands of one or two or whatever it is that can help you. That's the cool part of the immune system because that's where the critical switches t-cells see something and it's got to quickly generate hundred thousand copies of itself. You know so that you get the army to go and swarm around your body go through all your tissues and look for stuff and hopefully kill it so they could do that to cancer as well. Your innovation was the antibody. Well it was to figure out people understood that process. You know. T-cells recognized expand. They do their function. The contract you know most of them die and then you end up with some that. Are there for the rest of your life. I mean that's the really cool thing about immune system is because once it develops you've got it for the rest of your life these renewing t-cells key. Nobody really understand what starter they thought it was. Just switch you flip it and so nine hundred eighty two we worked out the structure of the Antigen receptor. Which is the molecule like? Ignition switch in the car. That's that thing that there's you know. Tens of millions of difference in your body and people thought well you just flip that and that's it so the people that have been trying for decades to vaccinate people in failed hundreds of failed trials just trying to back because they really didn't appreciate that you can't just there is no single switch is flipped it takes turns out. There's a gas paddle wheelers another signal that it's a way of keeping your safe from. Tc does get back to when they ought to. So for the T. cells to spring into action when they detect something awry in other cells of the body. They need the right signal to get them. Started the ignition. And they need a secondary signal the gas pedal but what was the next step that there was a break. This was the key thing. There's another molecule that nobody had found before really expected impact. There is a molecule that people thought was another gas pedal. But we used to. We showed that it was Nah. It was actually a break. Because when those t cells you it gets the first two signals. Divide not crazy so you go from. I don't know making these numbers up ten to five hundred thousand cells in a week. You can't let that keep going. You know you've got to have a way of stopping that it'll kill you and You know I mean you can't do body can't put all the energy and everything just producing those t cells in probably do. What are they go? You know you. Can't you gotTa Stop That in control? And that's what this molecule does except in cancer kicks in prematurely for you know I can go into the race but but that's basically what we've found but and also told us as it's turned on when the gets those other two signals so when people try to immunize naming is aiming is what we figured out was after about the first you know few times I mean. Is there actually turning on the brakes off the gas pedal? That's why didn't work because the TESOL goes into this. Let's stop now pays anyway. We found out how to stop that just disabled the brakes time. So that's what we do is and and Mice I had to do is just inject this one. Antibody that interferes with that breaking mechanism. That's the main system. Keep going for as long as that drugs around the T. cells could just keep going going and they just keep killing tumors and so in mice. We could have dejected. And of course like about it was the kind of cancer doesn't matter because you're not treating the cancer. The work had nothing to do with cancer. Nothing directly to do with cancer because it was really basic research into how the immune system operates to reiterate. What kicks it into high gear. And what tells it when it's time to shut down you now? I asked you to remember the name of Jim. Allison's band well now's your moment that molecule and the T. cell which signals the body's immune system to step on the breaks. It's called a checkpoint and the medicine that James Allison eventually developed to disable those breaks is called a checkpoint inhibitor. It used to be the kind of cancer out now. Are you burned to cut it out or poisoning right and now? Instead of radiation or chemo or surgery. You're trying to turn the immune system to kill the immune system. Do the job without doing any of that other stuff. Mary Jordan asked. Jim Allison to tell the story of that breakthrough moment when he realized that. Disabling the breaks on the immune system with an antibody has the potential to revolutionize cancer treatment at a new guy. The lab and I wrote out exact experiment for him to go do this which was nice to inject half of them with this antibody. We'd made and the other one's not you know they came back and show you this. Data basically said all the mice got the antibody alive and don't have tumors all the ones that didn't get it. Or Dad they died of these big tumors and there's a lot of data for the middle just said now this can't be right. You know this cat this possible. Were just messing with one molecule out of everything that's going on. How much time passed went from the injection to win about two weeks? Today's two weeks because that's how I think maybe it could work but you said No. It couldn't be that experiment. Unfortunately I didn't watch it all the way through he. Just show me the results at the end. I just said I started asking him so cautious. He could ascertain has said. You GotTa do this again. First of all it's really important experience He shouldn't have been there while he should have known what was in the mice. You should blinded you know somebody else should read but this one you know. You'd need statistics in the area. They're all dead. They're all alive when there was no question about little differences. Well no he said I said you said you gotTa do this again and he said well it's Thanksgiving and I'm going to go see my girlfriend Europe and it takes a long time. I said no no. This is potentially the biggest thing I mean. This result is the most spectacular thing I've ever seen and this is not gonNA wait till February. So here's what we're GONNA do. You'RE GONNA go set up the experiment and then you go whatever you WanNa do and you just show me where the mice are housed and numbers. And that's it. I'll take I'll take that cover it from how I'll go. Measure the tumors. I'll go away the mice. Get the calipers do all that and this land is where Berkeley Berkeley. And so every day you went in and looked at every other day and and Anyway I started from the start checking every couple of days and I couldn't tell the difference and I was beginning to get really bummed. How did he county? Screw this up. You know because the tumors were getting pretty big and you know I didn't know I was. What except that everybody's saying you know and then I think it was Christmas or something. And I. I don't my family's gotTA WANNA be depressed. Skipped a couple of radio which you know do you know and but then I went in and clearly a similar the mice you know the terrorists had stopped. That Ha- got back on schedule was in there. Every forty eight hours and sure enough and did you know then how big much at that point said. Okay and there is always it. Just this tumor. Oh is it just this cat and mouse or is it? How many more are we spent two years doing every mouse model and we can find every kind of mouse and they didn't all work but they all work if we added something to allow Cattle Chemo. And we just did a lot of messing around very exciting. Yeah except that. I was trying to convince a company to do it work. They wouldn't do it. They say Oh anybody could cure cancer in mice or therapy will ever work. Berkshire mice never worked in human. So nobody all that time. I was trying to find somebody to help us get it into humans lettuce. Nobody was interested. Jim Allison was not about to give up. Though he knew he was onto. Something big really really big and he'd come across a lot of detractors. Before you you've said if somebody tells me I can't do something I don't deal with it very well. Said Amir system will never work. I said well you'd have done it right now. I guess we don't understand it well enough now to say that but what I did know. Is that the way that other people are doing. I said it's promising. It's away buying time. There's nothing wrong with making people's tumors disappeared for six weeks six months here. But if you know it's GONNA COME BACK. That's not satisfying telling you you know you're foolish to be pursuing. Most everybody I went to that was invited in two thousand six as you know the Mecca of cancer research. Long Time tells big harbor Jimmy Johnson's labs. There had been cancer meeting periodically where everybody gets together. It's summit of cancer. Jim Watson as in Dr James Watson the person who identified with Francis Crick the double helix structure of DNA. So I was invited to give out of their opening dogs and thought out. They're going to listen to me just talking to us about friends. You know. It's not gonNA listen to you. They hate this stuff you know they. They start naming off this guy. This guy this guy this guy. They're going to be sitting in the front row and they hate this. Mu -nology stuff. Those other scientists the ones in the front row. They were mostly working on another approach to treating cancer. When that uses small molecules to block the growth and spread of mutated cells ideas works. It is correct except that cells have more than one mutation. They could have hundreds of mutations per cell so you go after one and they'll be another one that'll pop up do jog. Does it work and then you got to do it again. And then by the end the tour genetically unstable and you'll never cure cash that way. What does resistance feel like when you're working on something you think? Hey I think this is promising. Immunotherapy is the way to go. How does it manifest? Do they mock you in other peer articles or just at about that time? I'd submitted an article actually was right at that time. As a matter of fact any rest they were back into review. I told it was going to have attitude because I'm going to contrast what we're trying to do with what everybody else is trying to do. The make it a scientific case for what you guys do at work so some extent. It'll never be cured whereas what we're doing can be inherited but anyway I got to be his back. There were pretty good but I had a friend on editorial board he said. How'd you like to use for you? And it was accepted. Heads active us. I said they were fine. Why he said. What do you mean they were fine? I said they were fine. Good good secretive. He said but how many do you guys to say whatever three though as well the third would say he said well. It said that he had always been crap and we should never wasted he pages this anymore and journal. It always failed. It was never gonNA work and so they shouldn't even publish your paper and I'll just for that reason. What is your reaction will. He couldn't complain too much. Because apparently the editor just threw that one away published. Anyway you know because I wasn't particularly help review but no but seriously isn't it wrote who wrote that but at this particular meeting I was warned. You know and it shouldn't happen. I looked at the program. Was the only allergist speaking to ten days list. I was the only at the media and I was sure from what people tell me because I didn't know these guys. Well that you know. He told me we're going to be on the front row. Who are by the way on the front row and had is GONNA kill me in barbecue or I. can't you know this is. This is not good and So I really went toward trouble for that presentation. Have read this out. I said I know you guys think that this is all about the snake. Oil is never going to work. The plays just suspend your disbelief for few months. Give me a chance to talk to you about this mechanism. What regulates in responses so. I went through. Showed them what they're used to as the molecules and how you can manipulate it and all this and then went into the clinical data. So the next day Jim Watson came up to me says Jim. You almost convinced me. Commune System does something as the giants. Almost all the way he's been he's a big supporter now. I've talked a lot. James Watson is certainly not the only skeptic who's come around to appreciate the immunotherapy approach James Allison. Success is undeniable. How many doctors are people are now using? What you kind of your advancement in the fighting in cancer. Oh there's hundreds of thousands of patients have been treated Robbie there's doubt tens of I mean everybody uses it. The first human patients to participate in a drug trial using James Allison treatment had melanoma skin cancer and that was for a number of reasons one because it was well established that t cells try to kill melanoma that's not true of all other tumors by the way but it is the case with melanoma and the problem is that the. T. cells step on the breaks before they can finish the job with Jim Allison's innovation to disable the brakes the prognosis for melanoma patients has drastically changed. The first drug to get tested. Which is now in. Widespread use is a mouthful. It's called it balloon mob or its brand name your Voi-. There are fewer diagnosed. So we started this word. If you'RE A dog does stage. Four melanoma the the median life expectancy being fifty percent. People would be dead within seven months and there wasn't any drug that ever pull on that at all. My brother died at thirty seven with melanoma. And they there was nothing there was nothing then and that was twenty five years ago today. Well when we went into the first trial and they still consulting with the company is doing this but I mean it was I I mean I was part of the group I guess but it would meet obviously doing it but but anyway there were fourteen seven seventeen people I think in the first child three of them their tumors shrank one woman Had been given a few months to live and she was one of the first. You know to get the drug in a safety child- Her tumors completely away within about three months that was in two thousand and one. She still alive I I saw. I met her in two thousand eleven when she came in for a first decade checkup but the follow up since the thousands and thousands of people that have been treated. And there's a study with ten years follow up and if you get a single round of treatment with the drug and you got melanoma you got a little over twenty percent chance of being alive. Ten years plus lighter just flat. Nobody dies after three years since they know about the second checkpoint drug came along several years later and it's looking even more promising but is it a cure. Mary Jordan asked can cancer be cured? Well it depends on how you define care. I mean. This is very difficult and pretentious and controversy where it's used to freely sometimes wet. When will it stopping the deadly? That's an excellent question I think but let's break it down so melanoma now the data that we have says that somewhere approaching sixty percent well over half of patients are likely to live a decade or more after they're treated. I think that's a cure. You can't call it a cure until the first five years. Technically you can't people say you can't ever say people are cured of their cancer until until you know that there's not a single cancer cell anybody that's possible criteria and. I think it's a disservice to the patients because I know patients now Quite a number that are three four or five years old their tumors have all gone away. And the doctor say you've got a manageable disease. Chronic disease not very comforting to the patients. I can tell you that but that's fine. I mean until we get data but now we know as I said. Studies of thousands of patients statistics. Show that after about three years essentially nobody dies of melanoma and so I think after five six seven years you could tell the people you're cured go on about it and I don't care if they've got a spot on their cat scan. You know people say well. There's still a silent or cats go. Which is the you know the goal static. Except if you go. Bob See those. They're not cancer. They're scarred tissue where the war was breast cancer dot. There's beginning to be some responses. But it hasn't responded. Well that's why I say we can't melanomas the farthest along now. What else melanoma kidney bladders doing very well lungs doing pretty well. Hodgkin's lymphoma I'll people with a certain mutation response rates eighty percent you know a millions and millions of people that would have died. Twenty five years ago are not now potential here. I. It's hard I can't get numbers. How many been treated hundreds of thousands of now some cancers? We can cure a lot of the people will never. I don't think you're all catch. I think that what is happening now is that we're for for for the first time. By the way you know the pillars of cancer therapy or you know ever been for surgery. Cut It out then. Radiation came along historically and then chemotherapy starting in the fifties and getting better with the German. Genomic things those all work to some extent in some cancers. They've got a lot of particular radiation and Chemo have a lot of toxicities associated with them. So does that mean to therapy. But it's a lot less but now we got four pillars of cancer therapy. Algae and a cool thing about it is it can be used with all of the others if future he believes will be in figuring out the right combination of Chemo or radiation and immunotherapy in the right ratio for the right tumor. That's what he is working on with his wife. Padma Nisharma another very prominent cancer researcher. And just a side note in case you're wondering they'd been working together for quite a while before he popped. The question as only a scientist might probably wouldn't acid. You know nobody else can stand us because all we do is talk about. T. Cells all the time so I might as well get married. She said Oh. Yeah okay. That's kind of the way it went. Jim Allison and Padma Nisharma run a lap together called the immunotherapy platform at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. They have a third partner by the way who's also the keyboard player for the checkpoints. And I should probably mention here if it's not clear that Jim Allison is not a physician. He studied biochemistry and he has a PhD. But but all all the medicine stuff. I mean you know. I resented science and Rafael. Wanted me to be a doctor so I started as premed. But then he took organic chemistry which he thought would be about the beauty of building compounds by knowing the rules of structure instead. It was all memorization and it did him in would he? Later learned was that they teach it that way intentionally for medical students finally figured out what position has to do is get all these facts and get them in their head. So the the see patient they can look at what's going on you know. See how the patient presents what symptoms Tetra. No the different options downsides etcetera etcetera and. Bring them to bear that patient. Better be right because if they're wrong you know the least that'll happen is they won't help them. It might hurt him with me. A while to really figured out. Science is very different scientist. You're supposed to be wrong. You know 'cause you're supposed to ask a question. Nobody knows the answer to and then try to answer and if you get the right answer it's probably a stupid question you know. It's probably not very interesting question. So the heart of the question more yet to be wrong in China answer. I would rather go where I don't know exactly what's over there now. I mean that's the I've done science. It's risky that's how the that's other big reinisch way and the tough question. Jim Allison has been asking since nineteen eighty two is. What are the earliest signals? The precise mechanisms that urge a T. Cell to go from sitting there doing nothing to killing tumor cells. What starts that process. He still working on that question. Almost forty years later though alongside the trash heap of wrong answers. He's found some very right ones. Do you think because cancer has taken so much from you so many close family members that somehow this is more personal. Your your work. I think it's it's gotten that way. They said it was kind of always there. You know because my mother and my uncles but but It was it was sorta underneath everything you need to do. But I was going to go at it now. Just WanNa go directly of. Its face if his personal run-ins with cancer weren't enough motivation. He's now had a decade of run INS with people whose lives he has saved a pretty rare and gratifying honor for a research scientist. He recounts the first time it happened in two thousand six. I guess which was well. After the phase phase weather show that it worked. You know that we were on the right. Track can never tumors just melted. You know Complete responses I mean. That's what the stories about the whole. Tumor goes away everywhere in the body. Everything if it's a complete response I mean that's the definition and so we saw out of that. But you know it wasn't there you have to do this. Study's proper ways but his to get registration but just while there was expository step There's one woman that I met She was twenty two years old and Sharon Belvin. She allows me to talk about this actually encourages but anyway she was twenty. Two just finish. College was engaged started feeling tired in turned out. She didn't have the typical kind of melanoma but our brain and lungs but riddled with it. She had thirty two. I think long metastasis centimeter and a half to our brain and You know so. She went to Stone Kettering jedwabne chocolates. Her position there who's part worked with him a lot Anyway she got a miraculous studied just gotten engaged in so they told her. There's nothing you know. We'll try some stuff but said is experimental and so she decided So there would have had gotten married. I mean right when she was starting chemotherapy when she failed. Wise fail this. She failed everything they threw at it and finally said you know we're done hospice. You know we we just got a few months but now you qualify for this child with this new drug. Ap Liberal Man. It took Sharon Belvin three or four months to respond to the drug. She was coming back in for a checkup after this treatment. And Scans the path allergist called him and said. I think there's a mistake because she doesn't have any cancer prepared that compared that with the previous visit and she had thirty one long. Madsen the Brian. It's all gone and So Jed was really happy to call her and she came showed up at his clinic with you know her parents are husband and then the guy that developed its hair you. WanNa meet him and she said Yeah so. He Calls Me. You know he says. Hey Jim Coming Clinton said come on. I'm busy and he's not come on my office though absent. Upper East New York City York City in the outpatient clinic was twenty blocks away or something and so I said okay. I'll go. It's a day and I'll walk you over these people in the room and this woman. She's very big. She's taller. She grabbing picked me out when she worked out. Every show was crush my ribs. It was amazing it but her husband was there and everybody started fine hugging. You start crying. I was mad I encountered I was walking back to that lab thinking. Jesus you know the mice all the time but they bite me pee on me. You know. They don't care of course gave it to him in the first place. So guess what does it feel like to melt away tumors and allow people to live. It's hard to say I mean that's what it's all about. The day she went on. You know I mean. I've kept in touch with her fourteen years now and But she taught me a lot about the other side of it. A lot about this thing about conic is anyway. Her doctor says not a good idea if you'd have children now she's twenty four twenty five. She said what you know. Screw Melanie I'm going to have kids anyway. You know so. She's got two kids now. Wow Jewish actually went to Stockholm in other words. She joined him when he went to receive the Nobel prize which he shared by the way with a Japanese scientist named Taku. Honjo rumors had been swirling for several years. The James Allison would win. His name had even appeared in bedding magazines that give gambling odds for Nobel's who knew when his turned finally came in two thousand eighteen. He was at a hotel and a conferences wife was attending most Nobel call. Stories are pretty similar but this one had a glitch at about seven in the morning the phone rang but it was not the Nobel Committee. It was his son said. Dad Dad won the Nobel Prize. What somehow they didn't have my right number. Alabel Committee but my son got up early to watch the press conference. Oh my gosh so you didn't actually get a call. They even announced on TV. Apparently they're having trouble. Finding man was sick or died or something about an hour later with the help of PR person from the MD. Anderson Center where he works. They reached him. And what did they say? Geyser said was you know we've give it a lot about understanding cancer and all this. It's really good to give a prize for advances in treating cancer for the first time when you hung up the phone went to do well. There are about twelve miles a champagne and another glasses. Champagne does it. Change Your Life to win a big price a lot. I mean mostly mostly good ways but those for a week or two. It was difficult for me to get my office in the morning. There's people everybody wants to sell Nobel Prizes in the age of social media. Dr Alison is now also the subject of a feature length. Documentary called James Allison breakthrough. It's narrated by Woody Harrelson and has music by guess who Mickey Raphael Harmonica Player for Willie Nelson. Oh and it's rocking. Ninety two percent on rotten tomatoes. Our interview with James Allison was conducted by the Washington. Post's Mary Jordan. 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Revisionist Revisited: The King of Tears

Revisionist History

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Revisionist Revisited: The King of Tears

"Pushkin. Hello my friends and fellow revisionist historians. With just a few days to go before the launch of season five the time has come for me to reveal the greatest of all revisions. History episodes thus far has chosen by you. Dear, listeners. The, bronze medal winner we revealed a few weeks ago a good walk spoiled then the silver medallist Free Brian Williams and the winner. Ready. Chosen by you loyal listeners from to King of tears. Why is it the country songs? Make US cry featuring one of my all time favorite people the legendary Nashville Songwriter Bobby Braddock Co writer of maybe the saddest. Song ever written the George Jones Classic. He stopped loving her today he stopped loving her today. because. Every episode of revisionist history has a back story. The backstory of this one is a to of the very best things that happened to me while I was reporting it. Never. made it into the episode. The first one was I just spent the day with Bobby Braddock who's about emotionally complex as any artists can be and I was spent. Loss in the sheer splendor of his interior life. So, I go out for a run in the suburbs of Nashville and I'm driving back to the city along this long winding narrow road with huge gloomy overhanging trees. It's nighttime and a man comes running down the road towards me and says I need to borrow your cellphone I need to call nine one one. I give it to him, and then I see that an immaculate vintage Reseda Benz has rolled off the road. Into a tree. Behind. The wheel is the breathtaking beautiful woman wearing an evening gown who either unconscious or asleep. It's the most gothic moment after the most country music moment ever all I can think is, of course, Bobby Braddock lifts here. I. Tried to put that in the episode. But my editor Julia Barton. Let me hey, it's Julia here I actually went back and looked at the very first draft of king tears. And there's no such story in the script just so we're clear eyed or Julia I think she's a genius I'd be lost without her but she also cut a bit from an interview I did with the writer Jack is an hour talking about Vince Gill who's even more Nashville Gothic than Bobby Brad Icus. BECAUSE PETTY BECAUSE THEY WANNA get even I wanted to play that loss clip the right here in the Centro. Stopped me. Julia. Come. Don't you think the should hear the episode before the here the outtake I'm just saying. So. Here's what happened with the outtake. We made the whole episode we put together. It sounded great but it wasn't making me cry wasn't even making me feel like an emotion. That could be recognized as leading to crying. I couldn't figure out what was going wrong. There were so many sad moments. So many sad moments and I actually had to get my kids markers and a piece of graph paper and graft out every minute of the episode where the songs were where you were talking about the songs and all the sad moments I color coded them, and then I realized what the problem was you going off on tangents about other sad things which were really sad but they were cancelling out the main sad thing. So it wasn't working at the end. So it had to go something had to go and that was that moment. What's up. I had another story I wanted to tell them that episode. I sent it. I went for a run before the gothic encounter with the lady individual. Cities. It was in Percy Warner Park, those of you who know Nashville. Outside the city vast place it was super hot that night. So I took off my t shirt went off running into the hills and got lost totally lost until I was ten miles in and it was getting dark and I had no idea where I was accepted that I was miles from anywhere. So I tried to flag down a car, but it was pitch black shirtless dripping wet with sweat and my hair was all wild I looked like a crazy person. No. One would stop who's getting more and more desperate. Until a twenty something woman with lots of tattoos in a battered old Honda on her way back from Bible, study stops and lets me. Not, the tough guys in their F. One fifties. This tiny young woman. And the first thing I say to her is. You should not picked me up. And the first thing she says his. You look like you needed help. I mean. I'm getting choked up just thinking about that act of kindness and if you want to know why I didn't tell that story as well. Just. Ask Joy. No. You never wrote about that moment that's a fantastic story and I wish you and told it earlier. Ladies and gentlemen the winner of our revisionists revisited contest. King of tears. In Nashville Tennessee, there's a song writer named Bobby Braddock. He's in his seventies maybe five foot seven bald head scruffy beard wiry like if you messed with him in a bar, you'd probably lose. The most striking thing about him is his eyes which the Palest to most intense showed blue he wears sunglasses a lot and it's almost as if he needs to protect the world from that look. I met him grow in Nashville we had lunch, and then we sat in one of the writers rooms in the Sony Building. Piano in the corner catches to one side and he talked about his education in the music business. I think always had the reputation has been kind of quirky rider maybe a little lift feel. The. Turning point in X. Career was a song. You've probably heard of it was performed by Tammy Wynette back when she was the reigning queen of country. Music Nineteen, sixty, eight about a mom who had to spell out the word D I v O R C so her kids wouldn't know their parents were splitting up. The of Your C. Yeah. wrote this. On. No checkers nobody did nobody recorded. D I v O. R. C. E. was a song with a gimmick. Braddock did a lot of gimmicky songs back then. No one. Wanted this one. So, braddock went to a friend and longtime collaborator curly Putman. So I said, well, why isn't the way regarding said I think around the port is Sean. Song and you're melodies on that part is too happy. What else doing? Stop dish. Bad. Like a locker. So commercial. I said, well, what would you do? You Guys Guitar. Here this. Mournful singing stout. Tammy Wynette was a big fan of currently saint. She left say because he had. Immediate just. Same just so sad. Should Get Your Guitar. was was put it on take. D. I v O R C e went to number one. It was bobby Braddock S- I great exercise in how to make people cry. And from then on things just got sadder. My name is Malcolm. GLOB. Well. You're listening to revisionist history my podcast about things overlooked misunderstood. This episode is about something that has never made sense to me. Maybe, it's because I'm a Canadian or Americans puzzle about this too. I'm talking about the bright line that divides American society. Not, the color line or the ideological line. I'm talking about the sad song. I don't know why people don't talk about this more because it's weird. For the sake of argument, let's use the. Rock. Magazine Rolling Stones List to the best songs of all time the top fifty these are the critics choices. Hotel California by the Eagles comes in forty nine which as far as I can tell is a song about drugs. Tutti fruity by little Richard at forty three. Tutti, fruity which are remind you has as its signature lyric Tutti fruity. Oh Rudy Tutti fruity or Tutti fruity. Oh Rudy Tutti fruity or rudy walk up up a lot Bam boom. There's dancing in the street at forty light my fire be my baby. Nirvana's smells like Teen Spirit Durkin Dominos Layla there are songs about wanting to have sex songs about having sex songs about getting high presumably after having sex number one son in the last, like a rolling stone by Bob Dylan. you've gone to the finest schools. Alright. Miss Lonely but you know you only use to get Juiston it. Nobody's ever taught you how to live out on the street, and now you're GonNa have to get used to it. I think that's a song about someone who dropped out of. Harvard. The number one rock song of all time is about dropping out of Harvard. In all of those fifty songs, nobody dies after a long illness no marriage disintegrates nobody's killed on the battlefield. No mother grieves for a son. The closest that any song rolling stones list comes to being truly sad is smokey Robinson's tracks of my tears, which is first of all number fifty. So they put the sad song at the bottom of the list, and secondly it's about a guy at a party. In their moments of greatest travail, the protagonists of rock and roll said songs still get to go to parties. Now just turn on a country music station especially at traditional country music station and listen. It's like a different universe marriage is going to hell people staring into their shot glass in a honky tonk people dying young people heard John Pines, unwed fathers. It's a devastating bit of song writing about a teenage mom fleeing Tom. He sings it with his wife Rachel. So. Wary you Bam. We. Forbid down. How many. Back. Taste. Those last two lines, your daddy never meant to hurt you ever. He just don't live here but you've got his is a brutal. Backs bad during. One half of the country, the Rock Music Part Once Day music to be hymns to extroversion. The other half wants to talk about real life dramas and have a good cry. I don't get it. By the way you know who wrote that would father's song with John Bryan. Bobby Braddock. Or maybe you've heard this another classic recorded by Tammy Wynette. Golden Ring. It follows a couple from I loved the break up of their marriage by tracing the journey of their wedding ring from pawnshop to pawn shop. Who wrote it Bobby Braddock? Shop and today forty years after he wrote it Braddock is still mad about a one word change made by the song's producer Billy Cheryl because that made his song. One crucial degree less sad. What we had was he says you wanted minute bound year round round. And Billy changed to. Says you want admitted but I know you're leaving town. That's not as powerful. As. He says you won't admit it but I know you leave into. One thing. I don't view winning. Throws down the ring she walks out the door. Country Music supposed to be about real life, you know try to reflected butter I. Goal. A. which brings us to maybe the greatest country song of all time. Certainly, the saddest country song of all time the song that made me get on a plane and go to Nashville. It was recorded by the Great George Jones one of the half dozen or so most iconic figures in the history of country music. You just heard him singing golden ring. Jones, was famously the husband of Tanny Wynette for a time hard living dissolute megastar. Once in the midst of an epic Bender Jones family took his keys away. So we got on his riding mower and drove eight miles to the liquor store to get some whiskey. This was a man who could pour his fractured hard into his music like no one else. A half dozen times in his career Jones found a song truly worthy of his talents. But. It never got better than he stopped loving her today. I still remember when I first heard that, Song And from the day, I started thinking about this episode. I haven't been able to get it out of my head. He said I'll love you till I. She told him you forget in time. As the years went slow by. She still prayed all his mind. gipped her picture. Onis Wall. Do I need to tell you who wrote that song. Bobby, braddock. Bobby Braddock is the king of tears. Still. Through it all. Opening Sheen. Back again. Oh Man. The things that got me interested in sad songs was a story. My sister-in-law told me she my brother live in the same area. I grew up in what Lou County in southern Ontario. And awhile ago, she went to a performance by a local chamber choir thirty singers. They. Say A CANTATA called analysts by the British composer James. Witt born a coral composition which puts the words of Anne Frank's diary to music. I know this seems like a little bit of a digression from country music. But it's a really useful case daddy in understanding why some songs make us cry. The Performance Bev? Told me about was on a Sunday afternoon a free performance at Public Library, which is a very utilitarian, very nineteen sixties building on Queen Street in downtown kitchener. Abandoned, many times wall to wall carpet that all books library smell which I have to admit. I. Love. People are there in their main reading room on the WHO on all the tables and? Hundred. Twentieth four pretty much standing room only. As seeing I think. That alternate. And then look over I think somebody else. Metal. Because everybody else in their part singing. And I realized, they were crying. And couldn't thing Bev says, she cried pretty much through the entire performance she was looking straight ahead because she didn't want people to see she was crying, but it didn't matter because everyone was crying. When the performance was over BEV approached the stage to talk to the soloist the woman singing and frank's words is went up to her afterwards and congratulated Toronto beauty of the peace and the at her singing, and I said, and how did you manage to sing without crying she said Well I couldn't look at mark. The conductor. Because, he was wiping tears from his eyes and I had my back to the choir. So that was good and I did look at anybody in the audience because they were crying. So I just looked up in the middle distance and I sang it was a good thing. I had it memorized. I was at home in Canada. Have told me that story. So I called up mark the conductor and soloist whose name is Natasha. They're actually husband and wife the only live a few minutes away from my brother so they came over. Mark at the piano in the living room and the Tasha stood behind him and they performed one of the pieces from analysts. They did that day in the library. This last movement and called calls ends meditation I see the world the world being slowly turned. Turned into a wilderness. Now. I realized. This is a crazy question because we're hearing a piece based on the diary of Anne Frank, which is one of the most heartbreaking stories from one of the most horrific moments in recent history. But why was everyone crying at Kitchener Library? The obvious reason is that the music is beautiful. So as Natasha, singing. The performance is also authentic. There's nothing contrived about it. It wasn't a Carnegie Hall people were wearing suits and evening gowns they were at the kitchen library and his family's getting books and kids running around and everyone's on stacking chairs tables pushed off to the side. But here's the most important thing. ANNELIES is specific. It's a cantata about the actual experiences of a real person in her own words. Bev says that when she cried, she started thinking about her own family mennonites who escaped terrible persecution Russia. And Tasha says that as she sang about twelve year old and frank, she was thinking about her own daughter who is ten and who was sitting right next to Bevan the audience. Beauty and authenticity can create a mood. They set the stage but I think the thing that pushes us open the top into tears is details. We cry when Melancholy Collides with specificity. And Specificity. Something every Charente as well. Wild Horses by the rolling stones written by Keith Richards and Mick Jagger. It's a song about a conversation man is having with the silent suffering. Loved One. The story goes to Mick Jagger jumped up the versus while sitting at the bedside of his then girlfriend Marianne Faithfull as she recovered from an overdose. I watched you suffer a dull aching pain. Now, you've decided to show me the same no sweeping exit or offstage lines could make me feel bitter or treat you unkind. Wild, horses couldn't drag me away. While wild horses couldn't drag me away. Wild horses was recorded I by the legendary gram. Parsons. Not long afterwards, Parsons died of an overdose and his friend and protege the country music singer Emmylou Harris made a song in his memory. She wrote it with Bill Dan off it's called from boulder to Birmingham. Alone a he I got on this Just. no, there's A. You can. In Ottawa only. Someone who has suffered a terrible loss has gotten on a plane. And she so numbed by grief that she could no longer see those around her. Last. A. I was in. From Boulder to Birmingham and while horses are both beautiful melancholy. They're about the same thing, the ties, the living, and the healthy have to those in pain. But, which is the sadder song. I don't think there's any question. while. Horses is generic listen to how it starts. Childhood living is easy to do the things you wanted I bought them for you. graceless lady you know who I am you know I can't let you slide through my hands. What's going on any idea? What is Mickey, hammering on about? Now compare that to the specificity of looking down from the airplane and seeing nothing but prairie then standing on A. And Watching Canyon Burn Alive. May. See. I she references the Great Black, spiritual rock my soul in the bosom of. Abraham. The Bosom of Abraham is where the righteous dead go L. awaiting judgment. Then she sings and I would also walk all the way from Boulder to Birmingham. Now she's locating her grief I would make a pilgrimage from progressive hippy liberal remember this is nineteen seventy-three Dope Smoking Colorado back to the repressive of the old south just to see your face. To completely different specific images each with its own set of emotional triggers and she's piled one on top of another. Mark Vernon the music director of the choir in my hometown says there's a part in annelise that does the same thing. And is. There in hiding already and and she starts singing in the composer has set these words in kind of a style of Americans Sousa March? And so she's talking about being in the bathtub and being scrubbed in the bathtub and it's a Sousa. WE SCRUB SCRUB SCRUB ourselves in Latin Tall Jim. Thome. Very happy and optimistic music. And Frank in the bathtub to the tune of a Sousa March with the horrors of the Holocaust outside her door. Three absolutely concrete images in mercilus combination it just. floored me every every time I heard it. Because it was so close to you know our own daughters. To think that that she would have to create this kind of. Fiction in order to just get through the day. That's how you get tears. You make the story so real and the details so sharp and you add in so many emotional triggers the listener cannot escape. But it's a risky thing to do right. If you aren't a talented composer and you don't do as sensitive rendition of those lyrics, they could fall flat could seem forced even offensive. Far, easier just to fall back on the blend cliche that wild horses couldn't drag you away. Country Music makes people cry because it's not afraid to be specific. You know she came to see him one last time. We all wondered if she were. Running through my mind. This time. He's over. I don't know if you've ever heard of the old adage the minute of company moves into fancy new headquarters. It's all over. 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Of Christ just about the most fundamentalist of fundamentalist Christians. Braddock moved to Nashville in nineteen sixty four just after getting married to seek his fortune in the music business. He wrote his memoirs a few years ago. It's called a life on Nashville's music row or read it before I went to see him. and. The best way to describe the book is that it's exhausting. I don't mean that in a bad way because I couldn't put it down but so much happens. You've lived this incredibly tumultuous emotionally tumultuous life I am. And in the book, it sounds like the first. Precipitating event is the death of your son. Braddock was touring with the country music legend Monte Robbins at the time he and his wife sue had a baby. The child was just a few months old when he died whenever I was in town on the road. Marty. Robbins. A shingle date, we buy fresh flowers go put it on his great. We were just betted. He ensue fight she cheats on him. He cheats on her they break up they get back together. They have a daughter they divorce his ex wife mysteriously vanishes he drinks a lot gets into fights owes enormous sums to the IRS has a major bout with depression smokes a lot of. lurches from one volcanic event to the next and through it all braddock writes songs, hundreds of them. You kind of tolerance for. Emotional volatility seems. extraordinary. Guest. Tolerance is is. Pretty good word for. Braddock walks over to the keyboard on the other side of the room. He begins to talk about an old girlfriend named Angela who committed suicide by driving her car into the river. Angela died. Her. Mother. took her baby to raise it. And she sent me a picture that little girl and was child when she about four or five. Look just like her mom. Picture of her standing out in the yard. And boy did a number on me. All. He wrote a song about that in twenty minutes played it for me. Then he played his favourite bid of a sad randy newman song. He played me a heartbreaking song. He wrote once after getting up in the middle of the night and passing his lover in the hallway. And as he played one weeper after another I realized that that thing I'd said about brex tolerance for emotional volatility. Tolerance was the wrong word that was just me projecting my updike Canadian self onto braddock but braddock is from the musical side of the United States were emotion is not something to be endured. It's something to be embraced. At one point when cellphones were still analog, you could buy a scanner and listening to other people's conversations and that's what Braddock does. He can't help himself. A woman complains her husband for an hour about his lack of affection from the parking lot at the grocery store. Then asked him what he wants, and he says maybe Apple Newton's, and then this is my favorite part I'm quoting now from Roddick's memoir the conversation that truly touched me was between a man perhaps forty and his mother may be late sixties in which the sun opened up about sexual problems he was having with his wife. And envied the sprinkling of profanity's and the mother's invitation to come over to the house son, and that's open a bottle of whiskey and talk about it. Wishing I had that kind of easy and open communication with my mom. Then learning that the guy's mother was terminally ill with cancer. If you're keeping track. That's real difficulty sex profanity Whiskey mom N Terminal Cancer in one conversation, and it truly touched him. Free. Do you know what it's favorite song is? Vince Gill's go rest high on that mountain which Gill wrote in memory both of his brother who died young of a heart attack and fellow country star. Keith. Whitley, who drank himself to death? so Soon. Uh. Omar Godman Vince Gill. And Ricky skaggs and Patty loveless or singing harmony on that thing I go nuts still tearing me up northern about death and the bench it about. Keith Whitland in about his own brother. And just the emotion that Senate Song it's just it's just powerful. Cavu. A Shock, good see. It's heartbreaking. Listening to that song makes me wonder if some portion of what we call ideological division in America actually is an ideological at all. How big are the political differences between red and blue states? Anyway. In the grand scheme of things not that big. Maybe what we're seeing instead is a difference of emotional opinion. Because if your principal phone of cultural expression has drinking sex suicide, heart attacks, mom and terminal cancer all on the table for public discussion than the other half of the country's GonNa? Seem really chilly and uncaring. and. If you're from the rock and roll half clinging semi ironically to Tutti fruity oh rudy. When you listen to a song written about a guy's brother who died young of a heart attack and another guy who drank himself to death you're gonNA think. Who are these people. Here's another way to think about the sad song. Let me read you the list of the birthplaces of the performers of the top twenty country songs of all time. Again, I'M GONNA use a rolling Stone magazine list. Ready Arkansas Virginia Alabama Texas Mississippi Mississippi Georgia California's Central Valley by the Way Not Los Angeles Tennessee Texas Virginia Texas Kentucky. Alabama Tennessee Arkansas Texas Texas Kentucky Texas. I could do the top fifty or the top one hundred or the top two hundred and you get the same pattern. Basically, you cannot be successful country singer or songwriter if you're not from the south, it's impossible. There's one exception which is the Great Songwriter Harlan Howard who was born in Detroit. But almost immediately, thereafter, his family moves to a farm in Rural Kentucky it's like the five second rule when you drop a piece of food on the floor if not on the ground long enough, it doesn't count. As far as I can tell, there are no dues on the country. Almost no Catholics only two black people. White Southern Protestants all the way down Now compare that to the rock and roll list. You've got Jews, from MINNESOTA BLACK PEOPLE FROM DETROIT Catholics in new, Jersey Middle-class British art school drop-outs, Canadians Jamaicans. And role is the Rainbow Coalition. That diversity is a good thing is there's so much innovation rock and roll, but you pay a price for that. There was a very clever bit of research published recently by Colin Morris in the magazine the pudding he analyzed fifteen thousand popular songs using an algorithm that compresses digital files. So if you take out the repetitive bits in a song, how much of it is left? Moore's is big finding is that rock and roll as genre is really really repetitive. Britney Spears Lady Gaga, the Beatles if you take out the duke departs their music shrinks by sixty percent. That's what happens when everyone is from somewhere different nobody speaks the same language. So you have to use cliche the same phrases over and over again because if you go deeper or try to get more specific, you start to lose people. Country Music on the other hand is not nearly as repetitive. When Morris ran the lyrics popular country singers through was algorithm the only shrank by about forty percent a third lesson, the Rock and rollers. Nor is hip hop repetitive, which makes sense. The birthplaces of everyone on rolling Stone's list of greatest rap songs reads like an urban version of the country list Queens, central La Brooklyn Long. Island South Central Long Beach Houston Queens the Bronx. Englewood. New Jersey the Bronx. Hip Hop and country are both tightly knit musical communities. And when you're speaking to people who understand your world and your culture and your language, you can tell much more complicated stories you can use much more precise imagery. You can lay yourself bear because you're among your own. In the book it sounds like your relationship with sparky was the one that seemed the most creatively fruitful. It was it was. sparky was a beautiful blonde from northern Alabama the great love of Bobby Braddock Life. Why was. I. Think because. her so strong is. Sort of a visual thing. I think that's why I found Bobby Braddock spoke so exhausting. It's because everything is felt. Everything is a mountain peak and Sparky sparky was everest, high altitude infatuation. short thing that made people go. Crazy. And that was the case with her you know. This what gets an animal instinct of. People maybe who have evolved as much as they should and caused them the gratton get a gun blow somebody's brains out over. Gun Not. Me Can't stand the dollar some someone having sex with the person that he loves. Braddock and Sparky were on enough lovers for years. It was intense painful euphoric. When it ended Braddock was in pieces. He kept her picture on wall. Went have crazy now with the Braddock, the original demo he made of, he stopped loving her today he still up. Through our own. Come, back. I'm not sure where it came from it may have come Barky. Honestly don't know the interest in. How could it not your? If I think it I think it probably did but I just I can't see. I can't see that for the certainty the Marlins Fan. I felt like braddock shrink at that moment listening to his tangled dreams and then wanting to shake him at the end of the session. It's Sparky sparky. They found some letters by he's being you wrote a song in the middle of the great. Defining love affair. Of Your Life. It the relationship ends in your right right a song about the heartbreak of. A man carries to his grave. I mean. That's could it be? Could it be more clear? I went to see him one last. Bobby Braddock road he stopped loving her today with his curly in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, seven. They took it to the singer. George Jones Jones was then at his lowest ebb, a wreck strung out on cocaine whiskey he'd just checked out of a psychiatric hospital. The great love of his life. Tell me why net had embodied her hit song divcon. And left him. Jones had just newly shot and killed one of his best friends. The heartbroken Bobby Braddock has written a song about a man who cannot stop loving a woman and it son by the heartbroken George Jones who cannot stop loving a woman. Some letters is It in nineteen, sixty two. He had underline. A. Underlined in. Every single. Every single I love you. I went to see him just today. But I didn't. See. Not. At All dressed up. To Go. First time I'd seen him smile and. Why did he finally turn his back on his great love why is this the first time? He smiled in years because he's dead Only. Death could end his love. You proposed. And soon. He stopped loving. It's totally over the top model and sentimental kitschy call it whatever you want just don't fight it. One thing that Bobby Braddock told me in passing that I think about a lot. Is that he thought of the character in his song as a bad role model. The man was obsessed, he couldn't let go. But that's the point, right? That's why we cry. Because the song manages to find beauty and even a little bit of grandeur in someone's frailty. They'll. Only. He stopped loving. Today. Wild horses please. A. Good. Morning Ladies and Gentlemen, and welcome to the Grand Ole opry house to celebration of life of George Glenn Jones. One of the most important people ever of all time and of any time in the history of country music to judge Jones died in two thousand thirteen. Everyone who was anyone in country music came to his memorial service. You should watch it. If you get the chance, it's on Youtube I'll two hours and forty one minutes of it because it's everything I've been talking about. Vince Gill stands up with Patty. Loveless sings go rest high on that mountain. And breaks down halfway through. Travis. Trent remembers a conversation. He had with Chris Christopherson about how they expected. George Jones died years before. And I looked at Chris and I made the comment. You know with all the years. Of hard living. The Joe. Who would've ever thought? That he would outlive Tammy. And Chris. Looked at me and said, had it not been for Nancy? He would not have. Nancy Jones George, Jones's fourth and final wife the real love of his life, his soul mate and companion. Travis Tread holds out his hand towards Nancy who sitting right in the front row. George said many times she's manger. And she saved my life. And so we owe you gratitude. For that. Then comes the crowning moment of the day. The final performance, Alan Jackson strides out onto the stage. A big rangy guy, craggy features, cowboy boots, jeans long coat white Stetson he looks squarely at Dante Jones. And without introduction launches into he stopped loving her today. He said I'll love you. Till I die. She told him you're all yet time. As you here's Slow. and. You realize as he sings that Braddock Song has gotten even more specific. It's no longer about a long ago. Love affair. It's about right now. This is the day George Joan Stop Loving Nancy Jones. Alan. Jackson. Takes off his hat and places it over his heart. He stopped loving. And if you are crying. I can't help you. Love George. Grace of our, time ladies and. Gentlemen. At all time. Jackson. Visions history is produced by meal Abell and Jacob Smith with Camille, PEP, Teesta Stephanie Daniel, and Seal Mara mcdonagh's white. Our editor is Julia Barton flawn Williams is our engineer original music by Louis Skara. Special thanks to Andy Bowers and Jacob Weisberg I mountain better. Okay. Now, for the loss cut which Julia denied you all those years ago. Godman bench gail. And Ricky skaggs and pay loveless or singing harmony on that thing i. Still Turkey. Northern about. Deafen bench voted about. Keith whitland about his brother. And just emotion in that song it's just it's just powerful. gathered. In Your Green. Shock. By the way speaking events kill when I was in Nashville, I went to see a guy named Jack Eisenhower who wrote a great book about Country Music. Eisenhower talked about going to a funeral in town and spotting been skilled the front of the church just before he was about to perform. And he was sitting. Well, let's get to are. Turning up and he was crying. Before we ever got up. Got Up to sing. I'm he was crying this is a grown man. who had to say in two minutes In. Got Up and saying some him. I'd ever heard heard before about or whatever. Just like Oh my God. I mean this is country music. Thank you. Vince. Vince Gill actually has a new album out called okie which you should go and listen to and Jack Eisenhower is the author of many excellent books including he stopped loving her today all about the recording of John's greatest album. Jacks one of the secret stars of this episode, and now I'm going to give him the credit. He deserves I S. E. N. H. O. U. R. Kareem IF YOU WANNA get sneak peeks episodes of revisionist history sign up for our newsletter at Pushkin Dot. FM We have some great shows coming out right now including a new mini season of Tim Harford's brilliant cautionary tales. It's six episodes unpacking how the world turned upside down by Covid nineteen and you'll hear a short excerpt next. So wipe your tears. See you Thursday June eighteenth with new season and to tide you over. Here's a little bit of Tim Harford. Imagine the seed, a large ballroom twelve hundred people seated around tables enjoying the finest dining that one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy seven has to offer which admittedly isn't saying much. But everyone's having a wonderful evening at the Beverly Hills Supper Club, which naturally given the name is just outside Cincinnati. There's a comedy duo on stage in the headline performer is expected very soon. The singer and TV personality John Davidson a big star at the time. But what the audience here doesn't know is that on the other side of this scrolling complex function rooms something's gone wrong. A fire has broken out and it's spreading fast. The Fire Department has already been called on the fire is still some distance away from the crowded. Cabaret, room. For the more, it spreads more fuel it finds the hall to it gets and the faster it moves. Safety. Standards at the Supper Club on what should be. A isn't a fire alarm. There isn't a sprinkler system. And there isn't a lot of time. And nobody in that room. Those the fire is on its way. One remarkable young man Walter Bailey did his best. Bailey was barely more than boy he was eighteen years old and he worked as an assistant waiter. Bailey had seen the fire and he realized that. Was a long way from the cabaret room somebody needed to tell all those people to start evacuating. To mainly found the supervisor in the cabaret room explained about the fire and asked him to clear the room. The supervisor looked confused. Bailey told him again. The supervisor turned and walked off. To clear the room thought Bailey who found seventy people lining up to get into the Cabaret Room Bailey led them instead to safety. When he returned. He found that nobody inside the cabaret route. I'm Tim Harford. Jealously. Cautionary Tales. Spending. Back This cautionary tale is going to be a little different I. that's Okay The world seems different these days. So I've been writing some new stories for you to suit the Times wherein it'll be a little shorter little simpler, and perhaps a little more focused on the challenges we face right now. And this episode is different than another way too. Because in a small way, it's about me about what I got wrong and I hope about what you can learn from my mistakes. We'll come back to my mistakes and to the fire in the beverly, Hills Supper Club but I I wanted to ask you a question. Do you remember Captain Pastrengo Yati. You must cautionary tales season one episode one. was about an oil tanker, the size of the Chrysler building a ship with the name Torrey Canyon that ship was headed for a sunken massive rocks with a vicious reputation called the seven stones and captain. Strangle majority poor Pastrengo. State, his ship closer and closer and closer. To disaster. Go listen again if you like. A white. The mystery of Torrey Canyon you may remember is that while Captain Jacques Teti was steering his ship towards the rocks. The weather was good. The visibility was good. Torrey. Canyon had radar and the seven stones were clearly marked both on all the charts and by lighthouse vessel warning ships to keep away. was still time to change course just as there was still time to evacuate the cabaret room. And yet. Torrey Canyon did not turn. Just the people in the Suffolk Club cabaret. Room did not move. Captain was Yati. Was a man in a hurry. He'd made a plan to head straight for harbor one, hundred, fifty miles beyond those rocks but his original course was charted safely through deep open water. That at least was the plan. But now new information is coming in the ship has drifted off the expected course overnight closer to shore. He's now heading for a tight squeeze past seven stones. Fishing boats have appeared blocking his way. The current is pushing him towards the Rox. His plan is getting riskier and riskier. But at no point does he stop? Reflect. And rethink everything. Instead with each new piece of bad news, he furrows his brow and re dedicates himself to his original plan. So his Mike Confession. In the face of the growing corona virus epidemic. I behaved in exactly the same way. It took me far too long to really think about the information that was coming my way. It took me even longer to take action. I to. Captain Reality.

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"Hello honeymooners it's Moshe casher and we just want to thank you for listening to podcasts. And remind you that if you haven't yet to subscribe to the PODCAST Five Star. The podcast lever of review for the PODCAST. And tell a friend about the PODCAST. If you know someone who's quarantining and you know has some issues or any. Maybe maybe our podcast could cheer them up at them on our instagram page. They'll know about the podcast. Tele friend at a friend. That's right. We have an instagram page. Now it is endless. Honeymoon Pot at endless honeymoon pod. We also have a youtube channel. Find us on Youtube just in and Liz Honeymoon podcast into Youtube and you can find it. If you'd like to be on the podcast you can email us. Endless honeymoon pod gmail.com. Or if you have a deep dark secret you can call us at two and three two two eight six. Oh eight want to hear from you and if you haven't yet my cell phone that's right. 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We got this email from someone that I was really made me feel really happy because he said that when we had high may on they said he called in to say how can I make our anniversary special and we gave him some advice number him this had an essential worker wife and it was their five year anniversary and he wanted to know. How do you make an anniversary special when you can't leave the house and we said maybe don't be so afraid of being cheesy anymore because you know you've got to lean into it because you have limited resources? What did he say Natasha so he said I decided to go? Lean into the cheese. I made a laminated menu of different meals. I made for her or ones. We've had fond memories of including buying both an indoor s'mores maker. That's cute and for decorations. I bought a string light wall. We dressed up we danced. Thanks for the music suggestion and Tasha. I don't turn music. Sergio no clue. What would you suggest I know what you always you? Love it when it's our anniversary and I think I put that on Coming out sell you bad or get this party started. That gets your juices flowing. I would probably put in something like King. Tubby or something I was getting. Toby just dub yeah just like really kind of happy. Din Tidgy Ray. Gays sounds to get in the mood for love when I WANNA cares. Go I WANNA get in the Mood for love and I'll play this really hot song By artist name Marvin Gaye. And he's got the song called. Let's get it on. It's so sexy it's so sexual you won't even have you. Have you ever heard of him Marvin Gaye? He's like he'll be he'll go Hip Ago and like really trying trying to hold back. This feeling lonesome rid that two people oto to our listeners. Thought they'd get a kick out of hearing my beautiful American idol. Ready Voice. Well Anyway. I'm glad that someone's having fun in this quarantine and finding a way to make it special speaking of having fun in quarantine and singing and my beautiful voice in quarantine. We had special cute little situation last this very week as down in the doldrums. You were our neighbours. It's so nice to have good neighbors. You know we've got we've had good and we've had bad neighbors and our good neighbor was like Do you guys they have one of those moving pods moving pods. That are like a huge white box and we got a note from them saying would you guys like to meet in the street And do carry you do Co. Social Distance Karaoke and basically the set up a whole Karaoke city. Did I talk about this already? I've heard all your stories. Honey we can drop. I guess anyway we did it. We Sang. It was fun. You Saying D. I v O R C E by. Tammy Wynette stand by your man by Tammy way now and that was like I had the song I you Kinda like. If there's only four songs being sung at Karaoke two of them should be. Pi Won't let me explain something Unitas. Show if you're going to sing divorce I'm GONNA stand by your man. Well I thought that would be a good quarantine song to shout out to the hilltops of Silverlake. Because so many people want divorces right now but not our friend Matt he continues to say. We drank an entire. We dressed up we danced. We drank an entire bottle of wine and had a truly magical time. I clipped out my section of the podcast from your youtube channel to play her since she didn't know I had called. She was so surprised because she's a fan of you guys as well. Anyway I want to say thank you because we really had a great time even though we were stuck at home and I included some pictures. If you want to see so this is sweet. It's actually genuinely nice to know that our advice like made any kind of actual difference because primarily. We're just you know jokers. You would never do this though from me much I would to would laminate menus of our favorite meals. Never you're limited a tuna casserole a You know what I would our laminating an entire homemade chocolate cake to remind you of the man that you lucked out with and we're going to put some pictures. That Matt sent us up on our instagram. If you're curious to see what a sweetheart this Matt Guy is and and it's just sweeten things actually made a difference by the way Speaking of calls from last week people were I will say really taken by the Fetish lady and And they couldn't get enough of guessing on my instagram. What the Fetish was people were? I would say really curious. I thought I would read some of the highlights. I will say that nobody got it right but I will read you the highlights. Nobody got it right. Nobody got it right even if they did get it right. I would not say that they gotta right out of respect for our friend but here we go hot cure says I think I think she takes showers for money. Maybe kind of a good gig. She either humiliates people or is a furry says snack braff. Would you rather be a furry or humiliate people sexually? Oh definitely one hundred percent humiliate people sexually so easy for it. Doesn't sound like you're real situation. That is exactly address furriest address up as like a squirrel and I jerk off. I feel like the kinds of guys that want to be dominated sexually like in a in that kind of way. I like better than the kinds of guys who wanNA snuggle with a for baby so I have to like hang out with a fair point. I go to burning man so I probably already know a few so I actually. There's nothing sexual to me about a mascot costume like a deep door situation. Right wonders. Thirty other listening. Is there a ven diagram? Overlap of the like Nerd comecon community and the like I get Horny by putting on like Mickey Mouse Ears. Like is that the same thing. I don't know Up The punks butts says she eats for money. Slice says I feel like it has something to do with scalloped porn scattered Natasha Shit. Yeah that's do right. Let's Doodoo that's kind of interesting. That's a bad guest because Jeff Ross was like that's so I'd love to get a blowjob with someone's shitting. Although it is kind of funny that the comments go. She eats for money and the next one. Is she shits for money. So if somebody was able to time it right they could do boat. They could make money on going in and money going out A blunt can. I hate that word. I don't even know what to me. I don't know but I don't like it. It just seems like something that like beavis would say oh look bumpkins I'm going on the record. Guessing Cuiv says Hannah the Hobo. You reading all your replies on this. Podcast MERGE. The ones that are applicable to the podcast that were recording. That was the bit that I was doing. Give me to read some of the other ones. Now just flirt with me because I'm open to that to do the one from the Zadie picture put up. I found out. Recently that I transitioned from tweak. Two Zadie what's Wink twinkle twinkle? Young Nubile Young Man. The kind of guy that a The kind of the kind of boy that a grisly leather top bear wants to Bend over a Honda Civic and just ran the buttocks of but I'm no longer that I'm now the Rammer I'm the Zadie you're going to read you those comments again. Okay so I hate that we don't know I'm losing it says. Tmi Dark Tower and my stepmother the Satmar Acidic Deaf Jew Orthodox Jew dropped into the comments. Thank you for captioning this clip. I enjoyed it. I feel like she didn't understand what was happening. Because there is no way there's just no she's deaf and I think she was stoked work subtitles. Funny that she is on your instagram. I would love to hit her up and say. Do you know what that clip was about. But I would feel probably not comfortable. Another guest for Bumpkins MIC Lego. Zoe spanks people for money. Well Well Real Creative Zoe. Wild need that is a small community. She wouldn't be allowed to speak on that. They definitely smoke her out. She's a spanker. Maybe they even have pillow fights. She does she do car washes in a in a Ashir t shirt or od three says roast fetish. Oh okay that does. That's funny Nessa. Jeff Ross Ross. Shout somebody who likes to be roasted for money which is kind of humiliated We got eleven eleven oh eight she sanitizers surfaces for money not a fetish yet but. I think it will be soon right. I think at the end of this quarantine. You could definitely see like cleanliness fetish. I could see that coming Mama Karaji says eating and coming eating and coming. I mean the eating is specific. What coming isn't that like everybody's fetish kind of a freak thing is to come. But aren't they like having an orgasm while they're eating May. Oh I don't know maybe that's part of it. There is some porn. I've seen where it's like. Women eating baked beans. Why this hot what? You're pilgrim. Does she. Do the burning the hive says does she do the sitting on food thing like cakes. Are you gonNa tell the answer on this? Oh no one will ever know the truth and none of these guys got it right so it doesn't even matter Let's see. Is that everything. Well that's not true. It is true okay so it is true. Okay Natasha. I didn't say anything you mentioned so many things. I mentioned a lot of things like twenty things. Somebody goes suspense. Music Says Dr. What kind of a freak? I I'm into the drive porn community. Maybe that was part of your Zadie comments. You want to go to those now. We could do forty minutes as Atika because I got a lot of comments on that picture. I'm kind of feeling it. You know what you can't stop getting older. There's only one way to stop getting older and it is to die and I since. I'm not doing that. I'm kind of feeling it over here. Cares three quarters of your face is always going to be a mask anyway. That's true that's true. You don't have to look back later. Sunglasses a mask. You're set for like thirty. Forty Years Right Orthodox Muslims right now are like bitch. I've been doing this a been. I'm way ahead of the curve. The on the IPHONE game. Iowa Havi Muslim. I've been doing this right now. I'm out in a mask and glasses so I'm just starting to like lift my hand up. Would you mean you're starting to lift your hand? You can't really do I- odds or anything anymore or anything like that. You just like give a little wave as people walk by. I give a dry cough. I give it a little dry cough on the streets. That's what I do. You seem like you're doing better genuinely you seem like you've bounced back from your Kovic spiral. No it's just as long I haven't been around my phone for like twenty four hours number. I lost it right. We went last night we took rv out to the beach. We had a sunset walk on the beach or child was diving into the sand. It felt almost normal again. She had good tomorrow. We're going camping. Life is good man. You gotta find just like our friend Matt from Rochester. You gotta find the ways to turn shit into gold. You've got to be a little rumpelstiltskin with this quarantine and find the little moments where you can turn shit into gold and that is the fetish that the woman. I'm now going to reveal it. That is the fetish that the woman is. A member of. She has meant shit and onto glass coffee table and she album is. Is that Shit into gold bars. Don't we have them into call? We do have someone to call. She's a dear friend. One of the kindest and funniest people I love her so much. You probably love to. Because she's a cast member on Saturday night live. 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Get it sent to your door functioning. Beauty Dot com slash honeymoon. Hello Melissa Hey okay you sound great how you saw on my gosh. Hello Natasha Mosha. How are Ya Great? How are you can I feel ahead? I'm good I had some cookies scream because they knew my sugar level of told to get ready for the podcast along down was like a boring though. D- what's your what's your eating situation like. Are you like cooking for yourself? Are you ordering food? I do breakfast or myself because my favorite. I really love OATMEAL You're you're so you wait. You make yourself oatmeal eggs every day. No no I switch it up if I get sick of it but sometimes I'll just wait until lunch But I hate I hate cooking so you really just pick up. A lot of food are you. Are you alone? Melissa you with your family and your you're by yourself. Yeah but I. I've been kind of now that 'cause it's been months of made alone. I've been going to see my my parents once a week. Is that why? You're like When I do the podcast you were like yeah. I'd love to do it and also do you have any hotmail friends that you could set me up quarantine date with well because okay. I didn't you know going through the just really lonely feelings and I was like man I obviously. I don't know I mean I'm just maybe just couldn't feelers out for the future. I'm because Dude I've been trying ever since you said that I've been racking my brain. Who's the right but I don't know what you're into. What are you into? What kind of man you want. I think if I you know I think for relationship probably someone has to have the big shell and and what did you say a a big? Oh yeah that's you but I think you have to be shown I think so. I think I'm pretty. I think can't deal with a lot of energy I am. I get sick of fast and I think good if you're GONNA if I make like a a list of what's best for me. What kind of person I would want well that that's interesting. You say that because we were talking last week with this girl who was like talking about meeting someone and what was the quality. It was some quality issue like Oh. She wanted him to be a Vegan and I was like what. Is that a non negotiable for you? Because I think it's really important to figure out what your non-negotiables are like. Something's obviously we do. Some things would be nice. You know what I mean like like when I made when I made my list I was like I like them to be British. But but that's not negotiable. You know I I would like him to be a musician but you know through Liam Gallagher who else non-negotiables non-negotiable which I shared with you the other day. 'cause I was saying that you had it was like someone who has more light than dark like I like someone who has a little bit of darkness but like they have to have like more of like a positive spin on things than a negative. And I think like if I didn't have that probably like you Melissa like you know what you need energetically you know it's like you. I think it's really important to figure that stuff out. And then when you start meeting people you're like Oh that's like something that I'm not willing to to waver on Rochat on even though he's got like come gutters and really hot APPs or whatever delay negotiable. I'm trying to think what my non-negotiables were I wanted intelligent was was definitely up there fat ass and I think that's it honestly it's to have those two that's the to me. What do you got what are you most? What are your non-negotiables also? Don't have to tell us around. Wait let me a taller than me. Okay you shorter. That's good. Got Some positives some like Melissa non-negotiable for me too. But then I met Natasha. And unfortunately I tried and I. I'm not strong enough to retailer. You don't have to lift him You know I think I We can come back to it by the way. This is like a private exercise motion. Why are you asking her this on a podcast work the blue? Nobody is good. You know it's good to talk about it out loud though too. I have a question for you Melissa. While you're thinking of your non-negotiables you're such such a nice person. I'd say you're when your primary personality characteristics. Is that your kind? Which is like huge by the way. That was another one. I was a non-negotiable from us. I wanted somebody that was kind of like if you are on a date with someone and you see that they like. Don't treat the people around them with respect. You'd be like Oh this person's like that's like that's like a that's a pretty low level. I what I was. GonNa to ask Melissa. Because you're so nice. Do you like a nice guy or do you like a bit of an asshole. I think I have a problem with I. Think the my thing my pattern. I'd like if someone's a little tougher in that Because if someone to two nice I think it the turnoff and I think that's I have to work on. No I hear you a lot. I don't think that's I don't think you're alone in that I I would say I'm in. I would say I'm approaching the category of like asshole like there's not only mean assholes there's like you have a good heart to heart. That's that's different. That's someone if someone's like actually like a mean person no that's different. That's different. I was just saying I think it's just like conference in themselves and I think that's really hot. I think it bugs me if someone secure about themselves and they don't like him so I'm out of there like I have I you know what I mean. I don't have time to work on your game. You GotTa do that okay. So do you have a pen? Melissa non-negotiable the nonnegotiable he a tall taller than you. Or the new chill energy chill ass energy assume a sociopath that doesn't like kindness or tree people will and has a lot of a lot of self-confidence confident confidence tackiness exactly. Okay Yeah not not. Because I've dated the do that was very did plenty of their so infant date. They could have a conversation that need me there and you know so Melissa. Hasn't yes go ahead go ahead. This is good. I'm writing dancing. Someone funny but doesn't need to be funny All the time. 'cause I get really pissed because I do get very quiet and and a place where I loved silence I need it and I think it really bugs me keep talking then you should not have been with Moshe now. You know women can be assholes to Melissa Melissa woman to Woman Melissa Woman to woman though you know what it was on my list is a non-negotiable was must be comfortable letting me shine right. Because I because like if you didn't have that you know and you're like really passionate about your work and your career it's like you. That would obviously be torture. I know yeah who wants to do that. I think those guys out there that are like threatened by their their girlfriends success or their wife. Success like some of the lowest troglodyte a form of humans on earth. Second what did you want you wanted like? They can't help it. You're you just happen to be a very not. You're not like that at all. Which is one of the things I really liked about you. Moshe would always get like turned on if I did well and I thought like if we had a stand up show and I thought that was really important that he wasn't like getting into a weird fight with me if I like destroyed harder than him which happened a lot so you know it was really hard to get a handle on it. Retirement show gets a development deal. We spend a weekend making love like animals. I just nothing turns me on more. Nothing's hotter look Melissa years. Oh cool. You'RE GORGEOUS. You're so talented yes. I have some questions for Melissa. Get into the to say that. She's her dream. Man is coming. Melissa like the coolest. You're the coolest most stylish most talented cutest. You got it all. There's no worries I've right. I mean the problem right now. I would say is primarily Kovic related with a little difficult to make men right now right like I was listening on this podcast. They were talking about. How Single People? Now you know they start now. They want to start going on walks and dating a little bit because now we can go outside because they've been like texting and having these you know zoom relationships so now it's like they're still advising staying six feet apart so it's like how do you do that. And then when you decide to kiss someone then it's like okay. Well then are you now in this person's like pod. Have you joined there? Have you gone on any dates? Melissa since the quarantine virtual have oh man. It's tough to be single. I have a friend who goes on walks on zoom walks with women in Europe All right well go ahead. I feel like this is probably a good time for you. If someone's going to get this is the time if you WanNa talk me available to talk as much as possible. Could tell me. I've never done that. I feel like I just did a bunch of and I don't know I think I've been You know I feel like the past years. It's just dated guide for a couple of months when I get tired of the long run. I think I'm kind of a problem. Christner with again board passed right. I used to be like that too. I was definitely like that. I would get bored so quickly. I just had to wait around until somebody came along. Didn't bore me. I sort of feel like but did you see love is blind Melissa. I I can't take it but there is something like every single person is living through. Love is blind right now. We're in we're in. The experiment of Love is blind. Like you can you date people. You'll never get the touch. I literally have a mask on so they won't be able to look at. How hot you are that. You have to deal with personality. Yeah I think I have. I'm not this is something I noticed on my life. I am not someone that goes. I've never been in a real relationship. Never lived with anyone. I've never It's never been so serious so I don't have like experience of being in a relationship person like back to back relationships. I've been years and years of just dating and I and I'm actually okay with it if I get a guided up with then I'm solid and I don't feel any need relationship cool. You're the new kind of woman you're like. I don't a little bit. I think so but I feel like maybe but I think like this time I was thinking about you. Know 'cause motion asked me if you WanNa Hook or do you want to be have a relationship and I think it'd be during this time it's probably maybe it's opening up my eyes and maybe. I'll get the milk someone with the time. I don't know we were talking to nick. We were talking to Nikki. Glaser and she said she. She wants to like meet someone so she doesn't have to spend the next one of these alone and also the idea that you want a man now. Who could maybe help you in this kind of situation. Oh look a big burly guy that can chop wood for you. Like Dafa Gang of Marauders. A- A new thing that people are going to be into a new quality to you know to help me UNCLOG my toilet that I've been unclogging my own here. Exacto you've been unclogging your toilet a lot in Quarantine Melissa Dad that and you really proud of pollen period. I think we might have gotten to the bottom of why you've stayed single for so many years. Melissa all those massive male male style shits you've been taken but it is nice to do things on your own that is like one of the best things that's happening for me right now. Is that like I definitely am like? I have more patience for things for sure. I've been doing projects. I painted our fence. I've been working on my veep and doing what else have you done? You've been doing a lot of art right Melissa Ooh. Rv We got like a little tough man RV. But what are you doing? I forgot to put on my non-negotiables MINORITIES CAMPING CAMPING. So Funny Melissa. Have you come up with any new impressions since you've been in quarantine what one get a little Brad Pitt? But that's more more mannerisms than you can't even know. We still have a man. I don't know if I have a new one. I want to hear Brad Pitt Brad. Sound like even though we can't see it no you work. You don't have to do it. It's really not like a boy thing. I'll text you the video. Time our great. If someone asked me to do to do an impression on a podcast I would definitely decline or you. Let me ask you this. Are you one of America's preeminent and most famous impressions but is the difference between you and Melissa saying relate your question no I do too. I do Stephen Hawking and the movie phone guy. That's it please. Don't ask him to do them. You don't have to ask what about UNITAS IMPRESSIONS. Not really do act out so not impressions takes less talent than impressions. Yeah Act Out. I don't Know No. I don't do Impressions Melissa. What's the most obscure impression? You do the no one ever knows because they don't even know the person you're doing Natasha's era do Natasha. Yeah Yeah Oh shit we do get it. I mean I I I remember one of the common insert you walked on stage and you said I gotta go does sound like a little video like I had this really fluffy pillow and I really thought it was very Natasha and I was like I was like I should. I got pillow really like pillow. That I can't wait. I mean I'm more interested. In what making you create this impression because it sounds very because like you're saying you got inspired when you saw me come up there but then also you got like sensory inspired by this pillow. It sounds like a cool process. Inspiring you how do you how do you do it? Like Code on an impression. Is that how it normally happens? You see somebody do something that sticks in your head. Yeah if I'm watching something I don't know whoever and then I'm just want to put pressure on it and I'll go to sleep and then maybe in the next morning I'll start feeling like the person like mannerisms been and the way they talk and thinking I so. This is where my bread pay. All recently watched by club one night and then I was walking and pacing around my kitchen and like Brad Pitt. He's constantly moving and talking are. Here's what we're going to put that thing over there you're GonNa hold that thing right there talking to pass something that'd be the worst cooking show bracket Boston. If you WANNA have a little more warmer lady I don't like I'm not going to slow down. You know what I mean like. She's kind of running and so I just like maybe last thinking you know the cooking show would be horrible. I was at a party. Wants the Brad Pitt? And it was like the people who are that famous or kind of like they ruin space that they enter their so famous that they like like the whole Party. Became about Brad Pitt. Like it was either people standing around Brad Pitt or people not standing around Brad Pitt. Making jokes about how they were gonNA stand around Brad Pitt like did you see my buddy Brad Pitt. Like they were trying to be cool by not talking to him but they were still talking about him. Yeah it's like they have gravity their like create a gravity force man. I went to the toy story by did like voice in surf floor which was pretty cool. I went to I went to the premier and it was really the the after party was about worse canter and you know and then packed with people and there was like well. There's Kiana wasn't like Tom. Hanks at the premier I find heavy. Pretty funny it's like Tom. Hanks is there but it get out of here. Hanks Worth Kee on new. I mean that would be Milissa. Like don't you think that would be. Do you think that would be there? Must be a lot of power though right because I was gonna say that'd be so horrible to for that. Be Your Life but it probably is awesome in some ways they say kion. Who's very nice right? Are you talking about like what the you'd be a party whole? Party REVOLVED AROUND. Like when you walked into the bathroom. I mean I I I would. I would love that. I would hate that would make me so I think I would love it. Tumulus though now for me I would turn into such a bitch though. Oh my God was one. Stay saying how can you stay sane? If that's your life I know I was once at a to eat with Brent with Brent Wi bok at a at a restaurant at swingers may rest in peace and I was sitting in one of those window tables swingers. You know so it's like we're inside and there's a window and then they're outdoor tables outside directly next to our table but through a window and Mila Kunis was sitting there and it was like the whole dinner it was like I would talk. And Brentwood not listen to me. And he would stare at me Likud and then he would talk. I wouldn't listen to him and I was Sheriff Miller Kunas at a certain point. I just wanted to go outside. It'd be like get the fuck. Outta here like this isn't for you this you don't get to eat at a restaurant and ruin everybody's good time like just get out of here. Well fortunately none of us have that issue yet. Melissa you're on your way but let's let's molested. You WanNa maybe take some calls. We at some people called in and they they want some some advice. So maybe we can help them or just. Let's do it. We're going to call Kim who's living in Ventura County. You're gonNA hear a second of silence. Melissa connect you tell Natasha and Moshe and our friend Melissa via Senor Melissa. Yeah Oh Great. We're all here. Hi Kim how are You well? I'm doing great except my husband's turned out to go full Kobe. Truth or me. Thank God you called. Moshe Moshe hates the Cova truth or your husband. Tell me what's going on. I'll I love him very much. And this is gonNA sound super weird but I was raised in a conspiracy theory family. So it's normal to me that like yeah sure. The tilly ends came and invented this Kobe thing and planted it. And that's fine and everything but I have to deal with distance learning and like get on with the rest of my life so I can't afford to be like upset about it but my husband wants to like sit around and talk about the youtube videos and by talking. It's just yelling at me. Wha what's his philosophy what's his. What'S THE YOUTUBE VIDEO PHILOSOPHY? He subscribes to well with the main. What's his neighbors right? Everything motionless sad like two episodes ago. He did the checklist of all the truth. Irs and it's like my night before it was a replaying the PTSD from listening. It was Melissa. Where do you stand on Covert the Cova to truth or even know really what they are. They believe the Joe Rogan thing. No it's not no. It's it's bigger than that hurricane hearing. Oh well there's a whole basically we're at the point in history. Can I just say one thing? Not all of us are on the Internet all day. Long deep coat. What's happening? Well I can try to explain it but you probably could explain it better than us. Kim. Since you've got your husband barking at you in bed every night I think motion should explain it. I because you're so articulate. Well Kim's articulate she might be no but it's not her philosophy either but I well. It's mine your year professional. Mcrae. We'll see. I think what has happened in society. Kim Correct me if I'm wrong. What has happened in society today is we have come to a point where nothing major can happen. Ever without a sizable community. Thinking that that thing didn't really happen in isn't really true about accurate. Kim. I guess I don't know what the fuck is going on. I know right. We should let her hand. It was set up with Wuhan and FAO Cheek connection moving youtube videos like. That's not free speech right. I don't see journalism here. Okay I can I can. I can break down the major talking points of the Cova Truth or community one is. It's muddied because none of them quite make sense when you hold them up to the light of truth but Or at least to logic right like the the the foul she being a deep state plant. That's one that that the doctor is working for. Donald Trump and has worked for the past. I think four or five Presidents is actually a conspirator in in promulgating Cova Truth and vaccine profiteering and stuff like that now. The problem with that would be that he would have had to have been playing the longest game ever he would have had to. He think he worked for Reagan. So he would have jumped in Reagan and been like I'm just I'm a chill out in the Oval Office through multiple administrations. He lacks common sense. Woo Hoo who her her husband. Oh that's a bad one to forget this now. It's like has a trump liking slants. Waste by that like silently. He's telling me how trump is better than Obama. What we'll of course. There's just a teeny little door right between Cova truth or ISM and Maga. It's right it's like the tedious. The thinnest Christian White Man DNA. And I've been married for eighteen years already and I popped out to kids. One of them is autism. Like I need some help around here. A distance learning zoom meeting a wanted to zoom meeting four hours a day for summer school. My Piston four year old. So you're kind of all over the place Kim. This sounds extremely difficult. Melissa have you ever also by the way Kim that it wouldn't work. My right eye tried for two weeks and I told the school you can keep your zoom speech therapy and zoom ot and they keep having these group classes and all the kids are autistic. Can can't handle seen everyone's face on the screen and they're all like running away and screaming and like hitting their toys on their heads and stuff. Where Kim Kim Kim One issue at a time? I don't think we can do home. Schooling autistic and Cova or call terrible choices now around emotional on on on to slow down. Wait Melissa. What's The craziest thing? A guy you've dated has ever believed anything. Spring to mind wait. Has What the craziest thing a guy you've been dating has believed. Yeah any Christians. Those not the crazy and nothing. You've dated nothing but sane guys. Well lucky you. Here's what I let me think for a moment right the crazy one in the relationship. I can't handle the flipping now. I can feel your energy. That's there's no doubt that you're also criticised. No here's what I here's what I say I was trying to give you guys a breakdown of each of the talking points. Covert at nine hundred. Truth is the truth is like you could study all the rhetorical games you want. And as Natasha's therapist once said you remember that thing that he said to you about arguing with somebody that you can't argue with somebody who who's living in a different reality than you well if you don't share reality reality there's no point I mean you. Could I give you all the rhetorical tricks where you could win the argument with him about Pfau CI every time and it would do your marriage absolutely no good but if if you don't share reality with someone you can't be married well they're eighteen years? I don't end. She loves him. So here's my suggestion is not to school sweetheart. My suggestion is not to figure out a way to win an argument about Cova with your husband. My suggestion is to tell him that. You can't talk to him about cove anymore. That you guys can you that for the sake of your marriage and your relationship. He's gotTa just stop talking to you about that because it drives you crazy and if you can't respect that then you have deeper problems. That's good Oh Melissa thank you what do you think I mean? I never heard that Don't argue with someone that's using the same way that we get something like that. You're like basically if you if you the essence of a conspiracy theory person is that they think that there's a secret reality and that everybody that is disagreeing with them is not actually presenting them evidence to the contrary. They're proving that they're right like everybody that is saying that's not true. Is evidence that the conspiracy is bigger than they actually thought it was so you come in and you go well. This isn't true because this that the other thing that goes. Oh my God He. They even got my wife. Kim Even Kim has been has been brought into the aluminum. You like. He's been radicalized. All these weird youtube videos sounds undeniable. Well I think you should do what I was told to do. To my toddler she starts crying for honey or whatever she wants grabbed by the forearms. And just say we're not doing that right now. I need your help. Our I'm assuming before our zoom with with our kids and we need to do two hours of it so I can go chill out and we just need to get through this and and also you know obviously you need to do other things and that but like access. What are the things that you guys did together that were so good and just try to like maybe become more of a team and just try to remain positive because there's nothing you can do like by by getting the game right? I mean look the possible. It's possible that your your issue is deeper than just the fact that he's been radicalized by Youtube. Videos have been if you if if you voted for Hillary that there's the thing is like all of a sudden and now he's telling me. Oh I lied to you because I didn't want to upset you because I didn't want you to shout at me about liberal stuff like I don't I just don't know how to process it so he didn't vote for Hillary he did. I fell out for you so you committed voter fraud. Well that's awesome. He told me to do it for him and then he signed it. So that's not look as work and that's it. I feel I feel bad on now. The grocery store I feel bad that you are dealing with this but I really think that it's I really think that there's no hope figuring out a way to talk him out of believing a conspiracy theory the only thing feel like I'm learning to love him including lives but I just don't know how to deal with all the stress and get him to help me with. That's what I'm saying. What about my idea? Set grab them by the forearm and welcome in the. I say I need help. I think that that's the secret like bitch. Slap them a little bit and say. I don't care what you think about the Kobe. Nine thousand nineteen virus. I'm raising your children. One of whom has autism? I need your help and I need to never talk to you about cove it again. Let's change the subject. Most you tell me to stop talking about it in the house. And if he won't do that then you guys have to go see a professional. I don't think comedians can help you if he is doing. Because there's two different issues right. One is that he doesn't believe in that. Cove is an actual Virus that was created by accident. Okay that's one issue. The other is that he keeps barking at you every night. And every all the time telling you about the conspiracy. He can believe whatever he wants but he doesn't he doesn't have the right to suck you into his reality. So you just got a naked for make it firm no. We don't talk about that in this house. You can believe whatever you want. But I don't WanNa talk about it. And if he will do it anyway well. That's him being disrespectful. Inconsiderate bigger issue. Another thing is like when I I listened to an episode of Joe Rogan and they were talking about Elon. Musk was talking about. The numbers are all wrong and then I went and tried to find it on any journal of science or any news art like anything legitimate and it just didn't exist. There's like one doctor said that. So that's q the rant on the leading it. There's an answer for everything that's why there's no point don't argue with these people they it's like it doesn't matter. I mean anybody that is that far away from reality. There's no point Melissa. Do you have any thoughts to deal with like I'm immune compromised and it's like? Hey I might die so I think it's just easier to be like focused on how it's not actually happening. Well like I said. I don't think you can convince him that it is happening. I think you need to convince him that you don't want to hear about it from him anymore. That's that's all that's all I got for you because we could go through the whole thing. Point-by-point here are the points. You wanted them here militia. Natasha you got F- Ouchi. Deep State plant the virus either was was purposely or accidentally released by China. Either as a form of bioterrorism or as a bumbling mistake the numbers of Cova deaths have been inflated. Because anybody with any symptom that's related to cove it they bark as a covert nineteen death or they outright. Lying social distancing doesn't actually work. It was a high school project. That's I mean there's the BBC. I've been listening. And they are saying that there is evidence that it could have been a mistake in a lab. Sure I'm just saying these are the talking points right. But there's actual evidence of some of the stuff you're saying chorus they take all that evidence they weave it into a narrative. And then you have Kim in Ventura County pulling her hair out saying I just want to tutor our kid. What the fuck right. So Good Luck. Kim. I think that's the secret. Tell Him I don't want to talk about this anymore. And if he refuses to stop talking about it well then he's refusing to stop doing something that he knows hurts. You and then you have bigger issue on your on your hands than just a guy that doesn't believe that jet fuel can melt steel beams and also you can be like okay. Maybe it is true. Then what we still have our kids. I still need help. I left what I've been saying. Yeah all right well. I don't give a fuck if it's true or not. You know what I mean like. Well maybe I'll say it more like how I set it and less on searching or have you tried telling him I don't WanNa ever talk about this again with you and I have diarrhea so I don't know that we know that. Yeah Yeah right so give it a shot and let us know how it goes. We are curious. Stay in touch with US okay. Fine good good luck dude. That was a heavy one. Sorry Melissa didn't you learn a lot? I what's the what's happening in my mind. I I was quite like Whoa. That's a lot I I couldn't. I be out the door in a heartbeat. Will I Agree Melissa? I was the whole time I was like eighteen years in two kids. Like to me if somebody if we're talking about non-negotiables if somebody believes in like a fantasy illuminated naughty world like it's Kinda like a s over if you came home one. Natasha and you were just like I think. The Jews control the Media Ivy like by. That's I mean like I don't think we'd survive that do you if I did that if I came home and I was like you know what you know. What what I just realized the earth is flat. I mean I know you would never say that but if I did you would be like. Oh my God you are. I can't be here. Would you stay with me if I thought the Earth was flat? What Melissa is there any conspiracy that you kind of do believe in now? Yeah I don't think I do either. What about you I mean? I'll listen to an argument about anything I mean. I believe in conspiracies. That are I mean. There have been conspiracies. That are real. The tuskegee experiment really happened. Do you know what that is Melissa? The TUSKEGEE experiment. If you ever heard about that it's The tuskegee experiment is essentially in the forties. The government said that they were doing they were doing a Experimental cure for syphilis and they add can and they asked a bunch of black men if they would come in and take the cure for syphilis but what they were doing was they were doing half of the group they were giving the real cure and half of them. They were giving nothing and they weren't telling them and just observing as these men got sicker and sicker and sicker and just sort of like doing research garlic. Look at them die. And so that's true like that really did happen. And there's a reason that the black community is suspect of the medical community and as a result of it because that's a conspiracy. That really occurred right. But I don't think that that means every conspiracy is true like I was saying to Unitas show like I think telling you this. There's a saying in In the The my brother's Is a rabbi. And he is a thing called the mishna which are these The collected sayings of the oral tradition of Judaism. And they're kind of fanciful and fantastical the MISHNA and there's a saying about the Mishna that if you believe the Mishna you're a fool but if you believe in none of them you're a bigger fool and I kind of think that's true with conspiracy theories to like if you believe every conspiracy theory you're fucking idiot but if you believe that. There's no possibility that there is like weird like collusion with the government doing nefarious shit. While you're probably a bigger idiot I'd like to say what my favorite conspiracy I ever heard was. I heard that people think that Michael Richards said the N. Word to boost. Dvd sales for the for Seinfeld had been released. Who's team and he said that he said the N. Word at the laugh factory to boost. Dvd sales for Seinfeld. That's not a bit. Who told you them us. Remember people saying that. What's amazing but yeah you you hear them. Hey Toss yes. I had a bad back remember. Yes and what do we do? We got a new mattress. You got a new mattress. We got a helix mattress. We took a little quiz. That took two minutes to complete a match. Is Your Body type with your sleep preferences. And it makes you the perfect mattress. You want soft firm. You sleep on your side on your back on your stomach. You sleep hot with Helix specific mattress for each and everyone's unique taste. I got their firm. Jewish people mattress helixsleep has a quizzed that takes just two minutes to complete and matches your body type and sleep preferences to the perfect mattress for you by the way. You don't need to take our word for it. 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That's Helix H. E. L. I. X. SLEEP DOT COM slash honeymoon for up to two hundred dollars off all right Melissa. Do you think you have to do one more call. Maybe this one will be simpler. No yeah go for it I I just I like I said I. I don't know if I offer much. I'm learning man. Good offer for a lot. Can you hear us so can you hear us? Okay yet. I'm doing okay. I mean it's really fun. Take hold on. We'RE GONNA call Katie in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania Boy Melissa where you're from. I'm from La from Whittier from whittier successor. Her cousin my favorite my favorite of all the Melissa. Your characters perhaps. Perhaps the least heralded least paid attention to character an impression that Natasha does that Melissa she is. You know a lot of people pay attention. You're Christina Aguilera. They pay attention to your Sarah Silverman. All these famous people but nobody talks about. Nobody TALKS ABOUT. Your cousin are my uncle. Oh you're going okay hold on this call. Katie. Hi this is Katie. Hi Katie. Can you hear US Natasha? Lazaro Moshe cash and our friend Melissa via Senor Melissa are you there yet and here he goes okay. We've got me Moshe casher. Natasha Leisure and our friend Melissa via senior. You Doing Everyone. What's going on nothing really Just hanging out. What are you all house? We're fine we're fine. Can We'd love to know how Pittsburgh is in this pandemic but also is it cold there. What's the weather like that? Different on a daily style. Last week a few days it's snowed and then it was seventy degrees so somedays. It's snowing like you can't even go outside right. Yeah there's some days three day now but today was really Nice Day so okay Katie. Tell us why did you contact us? How can we help you all right so I reached out because I have been seeing this guy for a little over six months? It's pretty casual but like we are exclusive And I really like him a lot but I just kind of know that. This probably isn't going anywhere and it's not going to lead to marriage so the best thing to do would be to proactively just kind of cut things off and move on before I get emotionally involved. I'm curious there. You're with someone you know. It won't lead to marriage so you WANNA end it before you fall in love with him. Yeah does that sound crazy? Why wouldn't you falling for him? Lead to marriage I just. I think we're probably looking for different things in our lives. He doesn't he's not gonNA lead to marriage. Yeah Yeah. He won't lead to marriage. I gotcha I gotcha. Gotcha Gotcha Gotcha okay. Ka Keep going. Yeah but So we talked about it a little bit a few months ago and I think I was like pretty close to probably pulling the trigger but then quarantine happened and it's not really the best time to be single or to break up with someone So I kind of put it to the back of like my post corentin activity list and I think at that time. I kind of assumed that maybe this would be like a few weeks or months. Maybe but now I just don't really when it's going to end and I think as the days go on like like hanging out with him but I'm just starting to feel guilty about having this like pending to do list item that I know will come one day. I just don't know so I guess my is am. I like a completely horrible person. Am I wrong for like knowing this will happen? But I'm pushing it off because it's just not convenient for me or the circumstances kind of give me a grace period. Melissa what do you think I think I feel? That's very understandable. I feel like I've had. I mean something similar in the pass. Rave that I love you to someone on my own and I don't feel it now you'll gill and now it's back but it's okay. I think you know if it's to get like Oh man facts. Break it off. I mean I don't know but this I understand where it is. I feel I feel for you and this is coming from Melissa. Who's experiencing addict free quarantine? So like she understands what you'd be giving up if you broke up with this guy you know what I mean. You'd be just staring at the walls. I I know the horrible. I think you need to give up anything. That's like Emma bad person for like doing what I want. That's like you don't want to think like that really are are kind of talk more about that. Well I think that's it's just like a female thing or you like feel bad wine. I mean yeah I kinda got that too is like this guy. Tell me if I'm wrong. It sounded like what you're describing is. This guy was like only really know if I want this to end the newer serious but for now I'm Kinda down stick around around and pounded and you're like and you're like Gosh. I should probably not keep him on the hook here. I feel guilty for being such an asshole for not telling him that I'm going to break it off with them. After the warranty is that right. Did they read it right? Yeah I mean that's basically right. I mean he had recently just gotten out of a divorce so he was married prior and he's like a little bit older so I think he's trying to take things slow but it's been a little confusing like he was the one he wanted to be exclusive and like wanted to keep dating and see each other a lot and then all of a sudden was very much like oh we're exclusive but like this isn't serious like it's. I don't know like he just gets really skittish so that's like might hesitation if I don't do that forever. We're like over six months and I don't WanNa waste my time anymore really but you don't want to Go Ahead Melissa. I don't know I just I could feel maybe remains feeling like I remember Mal. Miami's if someone does is fully committed it really for the longer. It goes the more payday. That's just how I I want to be able to deal with it but anyway that's all had a shirt instantly but you have this like you and I am I wrong. You have this asterix where you know. You need to get out of this. But you don't want to get out of it in quarantine because you're enjoying the company and the intimacy that you get during this time when you can't see anybody else is that right. Yeah exactly and I think even if we weren't in quarantine I think I'd be super hesitant. I'd have to like really do a lot of personal pep talks to get me to actually be able to do it even though it is the right thing though I think quarantines also just kind of my excuse and the crush. I'm using for not doing it but it also would be very miserable to be single right now and during orangey. Yeah you just don't have you don't have to lead them on. I mean the my feeling is like he told you at the beginning your relationship I kind of want to do what's right for me and what was right for me is is hooking up with you and being exclusive with you without fully committing to you and now you're on the other end of that going. I feel really guilty because I kind of want to do. What's right for me? Which is kind of like having a partner through quarantine but knowing. I'm going to break up with him but it's like why does he get to do that and you don't? I mean that's kind of what Natasha Singh right. Like I if you WANNA break up with him and don't WanNa be with them and break up with him but if you want to stick around and ride that divorce. Dick until the end of corn. He should feel free to do that. I mean Fuck Kamiar. I told you that he's not. He doesn't want anything serious. So wh- shit. What do you think I already said? Wow Yeah I've never thought of it that way but that's so true. I mean you do what you want. I mean right yeah I agree with Moshe needs to get over it. I go back to his old family. We'll good luck. Good luck you make the decision that feels best for you and even if it means just a selfish decision. I think it's okay. Oh Yeah No. That's perfect that was completely the opposite of what I thought you would say so. I love that okay. Well Good Luck. Good luck out there in Pittsburgh. Alright thanks bye bye. I mean right. What you said was so ready to. I thought that was interesting so it was a woman thing like women are constantly. I mean I don't speak to but it's like a women are constantly like I always. I don't know it's probably just a a lot of women I know are think that's real. It's like women are constantly like trying to mitigate negotiate. Men's feelings and men are consular. Like oh I don't actually care about your feelings. I care about my own. So it's like in quarantine of all places. Let her what the foxy wants. Wow man that's good Melissa. All right we gotta find you a tall tough but not mean funny but not always on endlessly interesting endlessly interesting chill good energy man for you to write out quarantine and you know what I got. Good I got good news. Melissa found out who it is. It's a fifty year divorce a in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania come on the market. I'M GONNA keep looking but Melissa. Thank you for joining US tonight. You're the best I miss you. You're so damn it was so hunt. Can it's felt like hanging with you. We'll let time for real someday. I guess yeah we'll see you into years. Nobody when things start to open up a little bit like you know people are going to start going to the beach going for like far off walks. Let's let's hang out okay Okay Melissa. Thank you very much again for joining us. You're the best check Melissa. L. And everywhere else go see you do stand up. She's the best. She's the funniest by Melissa. Thank you thanks man. It's so funny. How many different forms of crisis people are in? You know I I know I mean that's why I asked people what the weather's like to. I'm like people are doing this in the winter. Just seem so horrifying to me. Although it's May end of May winters said it snows in Pittsburgh coming well. The weather's weird like it's knows where I'm from an Illinois until may sometimes to to this weekend was a bright sunshiny day on the beach and I gotTa tell you being on the beach with you and our kid was like man. I Miss Radio. I posted was so beautiful. It were the U. Posted took it took. Yeah you you just looked it was like wow but that's the thing like I was there and I was stressed out when we were at the beach and then I looked at that video on your instagram page. Like Oh what a beautiful time. I was like but I wasn't stressed out. But it's not a lesson that we should all just experience our lives from our phones. Things are better on. There really are when I was at the beach. We were like falling down a cliff and I'm trying to like carry a blanket and you know it's like there's the kid and then she fell and there's three dogs following me and people are yelling that I dropped the keys but then I see that video. I just had a revelation. Remember you said when you're non-negotiables when when you're looking for a man to date was that they were more light than dark and it was okay. If they had some darkness yeah but they have more light than dark more like in spirit in worldview. I think that that is what we have to find in the post quarantine when this ends when we go out. 'cause I've I've been saying like quarantines severe but it's going to end and then you're going to see actually what life is like and really how Cova it has changed everything like for a long time but the real changes are going to come. It's I disagree. We are going to start re matriculating INTO SOCIETY IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. And then we're going to see. Oh we don't shake hands anymore. Oh we all Were masks all the time. Oh there are no more restaurants right and our challenge as or challenges. People is going to go out into the world and do not Natasha. Zeros non-negotiable with the world find a way to make our new life have more light than it does dark. You know it's GonNa be dark. There's no way around that things are going to be weird if you can't shake hands or hug. People more dark masks. The beach masks at the beaches dark. But you gotta find a way to wrestle a little bit of extra light out of it like by paying attention to where you're at on the beach when you're twirling your daughter around in the sand and even if you're scared that somebody's coughing. Covert on you while the waves still crashing. Your kid is still spinning the still beautiful. And I still love you

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Bob's Hot Bunking (Airdate 3.3.2020)

Bob and Sheri

1:28:22 hr | 8 months ago

Bob's Hot Bunking (Airdate 3.3.2020)

"Speaking of people regularly regarded as second class citizens. It's the Bob and Sheri Show with Bob. I'm not here to be consistent. Be Bob and Sheri Argue with that and now broadcasting from the palatial Bobby Sherry Studios and Bob and Sheri so many many years ago. I read an autobiography of Gracie Allen's plus been George Burns Burns and Allen. Were very early Radio Pioneers. And that's why the award that Sherry gets like. Every other year the Gracie Allen Award is or the funniest woman in radio or the most entertaining woman enrich. She's win by ten times. Twelve times and I I read her husband's autobiography George Burns. And he said that he loved his life As television and film producer he goes way back to Vaudeville. He said I have just love being in show business. I think everybody should be in show business And way back. When I read that I mean I think I was about twenty years old. Twenty two years old It was a very charming little comment from an older man who had spent his life in show business. But now if you look at the Internet especially something like Tick Tock. Everybody is in show business. Yeah everybody's in show business. Everybody's doing little videos in. What are they? They're nothing more than amateurish tries at being an entertainer right and some. He bore really successful and so a Mar. So we're I mean we are moving to the point that everybody's in show business and also because of the Internet. Everybody is a critic. I have put together fast. Comments that people have made about various movies. You can agree with them or you can disagree with them but everybody is a critic ready. Ready here we go. I cannot understand why people like the kill bill series. Those movies are terrible. Roadhouse is the greatest movie ever made. No questions tied posted. I think he did. I think todd posted that titanic could have been one and a half hours and it would have been way better. Musicals are the worst not any one musical in particular just all of them musicals suck the rocky movies would have been so much better without Adrian. I've seen dead fish. That are more lively and entertaining than that creature. So was plying. That was the character. Yeah exact- I do have to admit. She is a little bit annoying in those movies. Because she always and I get it. She's the wife she always thinks rockies GonNa lose and so she's non supportive for the first half of the movie and then she comes to. She has this moment and she's like beat him. And then all of a sudden we have the sports montage rockies running on the beach. We've got a training thing going on. And she doesn't want him to get hurt. I that's the main reason he's he's decided so now she says like I've got no choice. There's no turning back. He's in the ring but the woman stood at the top of the stairs and yelled down the stairs at. You can't win. What HAPPENED TO LORETTA? Lynn stand by your man. What was Tammy Wynette? Somebody needs to stand by you. Were hot there. For like two had passion I liked it now the obligatory rotten down but he's not staying down. Get back up to glue the Animal House speech with. It's what the German I just. I didn't want to take all of the comments anyone. Hey what's the matter with you pay for rocky movies together in one one? You know I could not do that. Did good part what was I talking about? Oh yeah everybody's a critic here's the next one. Aside from the cinematography aside from the cinematography nine hundred seventeen was nothing special cinematography sounds delicious deeming cinemas Dogra fee. That's what I said to win Bob. She had no. I disagree with that comment. I thought nineteen seventeen had Real depth. A quiet place was stupid. Movie poor decisions constantly made by the characters. Quentin Tarantino is the single most overrated director in screen history. I have to say you either like them or you. Don't wow not interested in the Harry Potter series. Not even a little he the are. You aren't true. Gravity sucked you know for a hot second there. I thought you meant the force that keeps us on the plan to move the movie you know. I liked that movie. Gangs of New York as Leonardo DiCaprio's best film do we feel that. I don't know I thought he awful good in that I you know for me. His best film might be once upon a time in Hollywood. I agree with you. He's so good in. That is joker was not a good movie. Have you seen it yet? No you can get it in your house now. Yeah I will. I'll I I need to have a weekend where I'm not you know. Fallen Asleep. Field of dreams was terrible. Oh shut up. That was a good movie. Now shut up on. That is right. Once upon a time at Hollywood was terrible. Oh shut up. I still don't understand inception insane so I almost don't WanNa say what I'm about to say. Michael Cain who is one of the actors and inception Ga- like said what the end because the ending is left. Ambiguous said what the ending was no so weather. Not You believe him. Do you remember reading that to Max. You know the at ends with the top spinning and cocaine said that In the end that none of that was real. Those wouldn't do that. I want to believe that so. I've decided not to female ghostbusters. I thought it was pretty funny. I'm not a feminist. That never felt the need to support an all female cast but I went to it just as another movie and I rather enjoyed it. I've seen it several times. Mckinnon was the best thing about that. Movie Captain Marvel doesn't deserve the hate guests. I don't Captain Barbara was great. I thought it was very good. this one godfather's overrated. I prefer Goodfellas. At least they have good taste in their second choice. Goodfellas is a great move. I'm going to leave. I'm going to leave out one word as we finalize this. I'M GONNA leave out one word and it's very familiar word. You should not use. I Hate Greece. Did you post that. No I did not. I don't eat grease. I just think that the soundtrack is not it's fantastic. It's look at me there where I can have my own appease. Break Me Down Bob. And Sheri get Lamar's review sent right to your phone text eight Bob Share and stuck to my wife. Mary about Hampton my stepson. He spent a few days last week with his class. It's seen as a senior trip to Breckenridge Colorado skiing and Mary said I'm just so proud of him because he learned so many new things he he just learned snowboarding this year. He became very good at it and and and she said you know he's a very private sort of kid. He had to learn to not only travel with the group but also share a room with another guy and he wasn't a kid that did sleepovers. He was like me. I never had a sleepover once as a kid and I thought to myself that would be if it were me Difficult nightmare well. I don't want to call it a nightmare but it would be something that I would be. I don't even know why but uneasy about it. It would be with one of your friends I would say. Yeah Yeah I guess they would have. D- twin beds or something but suppose you were booked in and there was only like a queen or something like that you know and sometimes hotels. That's all that's left. Well we have the queen that's available or the king. I mean just would have a really hard time at the end of the day. Walking around and my boxers. And here's here's the difficult thing I don't know I'm this way I get into bed and then you know Jimmy gets into bed and do I say goodnight Jimmy? Of course you do no no. It doesn't it doesn't sound right to me in my ear today and this is how you are today but is this how you were. You were seventeen. I'd never I was never in that situation. See you don't know well. I was thinking day camp. I never went to overnight. Camp Hampton going to Breckenridge is a class trip. You went to a sewage treatment plant. That's true yeah right see. Yeah you didn't have much called a room with another man no around around his age. I was actually rooming with my wife to be you know. So what do you think at seventeen that you were like that I don't know is the of course you would say good night. I don't know that I would. That's what I say to my wife so but at seventeen you at seventeen you had your seventeen year old brain and your seventeen year old life experience so that seventeen. You probably would have said good night. Can I kyle just over night bob? I mean it's just it's just weird sounding to me. I know it's me. It's a big deal. I mean look at. The Abraham. Lincoln Stein was reading about Lincoln. People would travel you know on horseback or with buggies from town to town and he was a traveling lawyer for awhile and you check into one of these inns by the side of the road and there are only so many beds and strange men would bunk together. You'd be lucky to get tied lucky. Have Todd is your bunk. Me was that means. You're more likely to have some complete stranger. Yeah I mean. I still think you're going to be rigid with anxiety and unable to sleep even with todd and he says snugly but better I you know what? Here's the thing I I would feel like Bob would upset me because he would look around. Seattle. Who else was there to see if I was the best of the options. He's because I know I'm not even getting the default and he thinks that you wouldn't see him doing that hurtful now. I must tell the audience. Todd had left the room to go to the bathroom. Came back into your that. He's a great about time he's like. Yeah we'll fill you on the full details. He knows cheats huge sign sign up for the newsletter with Bob and Sheri Exclusive Articles. Sign up now and qualify for a fifty dollars. Visa Gift Card at Saban Sherry Dot Com. Here's something you probably don't already know back. In the Middle Ages. They used to take animals to court and prosecute them for crimes they had an actual animal court and the most frequent they everything. They prosecuted rats. They prosecuted bugs. They prosecuted roosters and chickens. Pigs were a very frequent offender animal court and it was serious stuff. Like for example. This makes me so uncomfortable. Which which part the idea that animals are going to In a bar. Go into court for crying. Yeah well sometimes the Like a like if you took some if you went to animal court and complain that rats were eating your brain The rat would receive like a strongly worded letter or decree from the court. Now people couldn't read back then nor could the rats. I thought that it might be set up like if you have the barn and there were rats in the barn but the the rats were coming from a neighbors area that the neighbor now they court would be the person responsible now or whatever. That's my what I'm trying to tell you. They actually took animals to court There was this one case. That's very famous. There's a book about it where a rooster was taken to court for committing unnatural acts because the owner of the roosters swore that the rooster laid an egg which a rooster can't do right. So it's it's stuff like that and and Kinda hard to get a witness to talk though. Isn't it this is what's so crazy about animal court because the animals would come in and they would have the animal would be guilty of whatever we accused of whatever and they would have trials and sometimes the animals would be acquitted and sometime the animals will be found guilty today? We need to bring this back. This is Jerry Springer next GIG. He's the judge animal court so with the people that he's dealt with for the last twenty five years he's perfect animal planet. Had this some kind of animal court thing. It seemed to me that they brought back. Judge Wapner. Who is the original people are an org chart for all the great? Yeah for some to animal. Quarter something that was probably like dogs that were barking all night. You know something like that. Can you imagine if you're an animal lawyer? What you could you could get into the regular law schools. Yeah no that's the one thing Saul Goodman. Hasn't tried yet an animal lawyer so there's a famous case of the donkey named Francis and she Found herself the victim of what is described in the mediaeval records as inappropriate and unwanted lascivious advances. I'm going to guess from another donkey or I don't even know what. Anyway she was taken to court because victim blaming was as real then as it is now she was taken to court and basically accused of provoking these lascivious behaviors maybe by the Sassy way she flicked swished or there are so many ways that I could just jump in here but go ahead so There was a convent nearby. And the head of that convent testified on behalf of Francis the donkey and said these are lies Francis is virtuous and a very very good donkey and she is not a lascivious donkey and she was acquitted of all charges. How could her name be Francis? Because you're thinking the talk. All the the movie was Ronald Reagan. In those I have Francis the talking talking mule. I've only heard the name. I've never seen it. That was it was like a movie back in the forties fifties. My Mother's name is Francis. And apparently she was razzed about it so badly at school. Oh no no sense of humor about about being the talking mule. It's just it's fascinating to think I mean this is what people kids. This is what folks did. Before they had the Internet net flicks T T to have witnesses calm and character witnesses. Speaking on behalf of this donkey is just an amazing gloag into our human history. The donkey thing could see. I just don't see brats being brought into court and somehow defended in some way shape or form they would just be killed while the rats were some sometimes killed in sometimes. They were issued strongly worded at seaside. See I don't I don't believe that There was one pig that was found guilty in thirteen. Eighty six and I don't know what the pig was guilty of but you know often pigs would be taken to animal court for Biting People All right. They're very strong powerful teeth and jaws right and this pig was was brought for its sentencing dressed in a little vast with gloves and little pants and a Humi mask. And I'm not making it up. I'm not sure sexual history. There's a book called the Criminal Prosecution and capital punishment of animals. By E P Evans. There are records of eighty five different animal trials that took place at this time in animal court. It was documented. I am not make. There's no way that could happen today. No even if Jerry Springer was not even springer is in charge and he would be purchased. How would you know the difference? We're doing George Springer and a pig wearing little britches. But I'm thinking there'd be a market for Animal Court close. Oh Yeah do is is Jerry Springer on the air as I know he's signed to be a judge that show on the air. Now I I don't know anywhere is coming soon. Yeah he's he's in one of these court shows reruns of it might be around. No no no no no. This is a brand new show. Morons in the news is next. We've got to let it individuals. Some people leave bombs Sherry. It's morons in the news. Yes indeedy here we go. We have definitely heard a lot of stories of drunk drivers falling asleep in fast. Food drive through lanes before I think we get one about every two months here on the show but this is the first I think a few weeks ago. The employees at McDonalds in Troy Michigan called nine one one. This is at three o'clock in the morning. There drive through line was not moving. It was stalled. It was backing up other cars because two drivers had fallen asleep in their cars in the drive through lane at three o'clock in the morning and when the cops got there they found both people of course drunk and they didn't know each other they were just two random drunk people. The decided to go to McDonald's and they both fell asleep in the line by the way. I'm not so sure they were falling asleep. I think they passed out. There arrested for drunk driving. You know scary. That is scary. That is the two people on those roads at that time of the night. Just just pass out in the lane of McDonald's. Although I was once in one of lines with CARA MIA for so long at two o'clock in the afternoon I fell asleep so they may have been. What if they were shift workers and just exhausting higher test? They weren't doing anything bad they're running. They were tested iron. I tried I tried to defend it today. Smart of the day comes. Out Of York Pennsylvania. His name is Joseph Line Angers forty four. He's been charged with public drunkenness and criminal trespass and criminal mischief. It all happened at about twenty minutes to eleven pm when he began pounding on a door of a home some people. He doesn't know screaming and tried to break in hollering that he was being chased. He got into the vestibule of their house and then he tried to get into the main door the homeowners were forcibly shoving him pushing him back. They said he said he was being chased. But we didn't see anybody behind him anyway. They called the police. The police arrested him. They said he was having trouble with his balance. He was sweating profusely and then they arrested him and charged him his mugshot. Which we're going to send to your phone. If this was banging on your door and screaming you might not let him in either. The boys got some hair. He's got him so what it's like. He was electrified. His hair's straight up love it called and once back more onto eighty two six two seven four three seven and we will send today's date directly to your phone now. Let's go to clearwater Florida. Victor Ido is not a nice name for it's it's beautiful. Hey that's scientology. Headquarters Thrive unpack. Victor brought his jeep into a repair shop. And when he weighs two thousand three jeep liberty and when he went to pick it up after it was all fixed. He got to parking tickets in two toll charges in multiple counties. Andy also found sane sand and lingerie in the back under a passenger seat. He said I took my car to get fixed. They took a joyride and I'm walking everywhere. I want to tell me again. What was done to the poor? He got parking tickets charges. There was sand in the back seat within a pink Lacy Thong under the passenger seat Persky. What's the company going to do about that? I'll say firing people repair shop said US. But Victor says yes it was it was used banding justice and also he's kind of ticked because his jeep was having a better weekend. And even that's right. That's it for morons in the news. Text the word Moron Right now. Two eight eight two six to seven four three seven and we will send that wild mugshot rate to you. Native is such a fantastic deodorant. I don't know if you've tried it yet. My daughter landed introduced it to me. Sheri's using it my wife. Mary's using it and what we like is number one. It really really works but also it's aluminum free which means you don't have to sacrifice on performance and yet you don't have to worry about what's in native amazing sense. 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Do you know what that is? The button down is the collar. Some Collared Shirt College. You can button-down whereas button up would be like A woman's shirt or Mansur that it doesn't have a button down calling the front. I'm pretty sure that's what what do you mean doesn't have been dunkel button down. Shirts are shirts where you can button the COLLARTOO. The shirl grew not every sir has a collar. You can button so if you said to me. I'm going to wear a button up shirt I would know. You meant like a men's shirt with us. That's exactly what I said. I'm going to wear a button down shirt. I would know you were going to wear a shirt with a collar that has little buttons but in the Collared Shirts exactly right. I believe that is the difference being button up and a button down. I think that buttoned-down things started like in the nineteen fifties. You Ever See Madman. Yeah every other. Every other shot is a guy with a button down. Was the button down collar invent to keep your necktie in place? I think it was just a a more finished. Look back then. You know officially recording the league according to men's magazines you you are not as a man. You're not dressed up. You are not properly dressed up if you wear a button-down dress shirt. The the only way it is. If you're wearing a shirt that has no but like a wing collar or something. Yeah so here's one way to think about where we can I? Can you downs or button up? But not all but not sir. Button-down right yeah. But what did you say about your? You're not format? According to men's magazines you are not properly dressed up in a suit. If you wear a button-down shirt only if you're wearing a collar that has one of those little plastic things in it and saying yeah but I mean I've seen a million guys that are executives Robert Muller is an example. Maybe he's just straight as casual that has suit with A. You've also seen a million guys getting on an airplane in a Budweiser logo. Thong and you didn't approve of that just because everybody's doing it. I think it started with Ivy League professors. The button down sir. I think that's where it began. Actually I googled it while we were talking about it and the button down was invented for Polo players in England to keep their collars in place while they rode horses. I will tell you what we have so many like weird things that we can thank inbred British aristocrats. It's so true I know it. I mean the freaking earl of sandwich right. Well did he invent the Sandwich Sandwich Islands? I don't know how many things when you trace them back you go. Oh that's where I came from. Have you ever seen early pictures of British golfers? And they're wearing tweed suits with ties with ties. I would think you would like that because we're about ten seconds away from them golfing and Budweiser logo. The phone isn't that the truth. I had the most embarrassing thing happened once. I had a friend who he worked at the radio station. I was working at and I belong to this golf club and it was pretty. Nice Golf Club and so he was a really good golfer but he was a real casual. He was a beach guy. You know he was beach guy at Jimmy Buffett Kinda gas and so he would play casual sort of clubs that you could get on wearing just about anything with a club. I don't belong to this anymore but I the one I belong to at the time was a bit more formal so it's the middle of summer and I've got on. You know a golf shirt appear Bermuda shorts and the golf shoes and we go into the pro shop and the assistant pro is behind and I'm signing him up and in saying this is my guest. He has on a pair of shorts. That are too high. They're not. My coaches are not coaching shorts. But they're just a bit longer than that and the assistant pro. This is his job because people At this club would complain. If A guy's out there in short shorts and I was called over and I said and he said Mr Lacey. Your guest is wearing short shorts and cannot go out and play these. Tell me that it was your child to talk to this man about it was so you dress code because I was the member and so I'm responsible. I mean if he set fire to the golf course. Ib Response these fingertip length. Could he didn't have my hands in that area. What did I say? Let me buy you a pair of shorts paper sixty dollars. So do you want to hear about the earlier sandwich? Do Yeah so the WHO does almost androids. According to Wikipedia. The Earl of Sandwich is not just one guy. It's a title. Yeah Yeah Right. So a guy name of John Montagu was the early Sandwich and Captain James Cook named e Sandwich Islands after him and he also was the inventor of the sandwich he's really. What's the inventor of the Sami? Really? Why's your Kardashian influence on either side of the dial where this show is but who else is talking to you about the earl of cigarettes way to make them aware it's sign up for the newsletter with Bob and Sheri exclusive articles sign up now and qualify for a fifty dollars Visa Gift Card at Bob and Sheri Dot Com Bob? I I knew you'd probably really liked to move on from having to buy another man a pair of pants but a little more information on that you don't need. I told you everything you need to know that you bought the man a pair of sorts. Because his were too short they were kind of booty shorts and he let you there. There are people who just now put the radio on and they're hearing you say you bought a man another pair of shorts because they were too short with no background. Do you understand what people are thinking right now. Well she's not kidding. He does pay for every no it was at a golf course was at a golf course a very nice golf course that. I belong to at the time and they have rules. You have to wear a collared shirt and enduring this summer. You can wear shorts. Obviously but they have to be. Bermuda shorts which are not coaching shorts or short shorts for men. Right man let you so. The Golf pro looked at your friends. Shorts and dress coded him and decided he couldn't play in those and told you that you had to tell your guests. That has little pants. Were too short correct and then you bought him a pair of shorts and he let you. Here's the deal is either. I bought them or he would have to leave. And that would have made me feel terrible so his own shorts was my point is if this were Max Max would not allow you to pay for his shorts. Would you Max? He wouldn't see would feel terrible about showing up in his booty. Shorts even feel awful and he would insist on paying for his own shorts. I wasn't going to get into. This guy was not making a lot of money right. I mean I was paying for the round of Golf I was not gonNA get into with thing there and there are other people in the pro shop watching all of this. Go down there are guys that have nothing else to do all day but to sit in the pro shop and watch what's going on not criticism of how you handled it. This is a criticism of how he handled it in his defense. He didn't know what to do. I don't think he had sixty dollars on them and I don't even remember. It's been a while you may not even use cash in that club. Yeah everything had to be charged to your account and you hurt. Todd's feelings How what did I went to the break and top was like he wouldn't bunk with me but he buys this other man a pair of shorts. You hurt his feelings for people that are just tuning for the first time they're hearing that. I won't funk Todd I made bunk with some other guy and I'm buying men who are wearing short shorts new pants. I I'm guessing true but it's true. I just like people to know that you know I haven't wife. There's some context. This is the same Golf course where. The man had the bug fly into his ear to suck the book. I sucked the bug out with a straw white cloth. It's a great. It's one of the Great Golf clubs in in the country. You were probably based on those two stories. The most helpful member of Nick of clubbed they've ever had you know what I was. Actually I was the only person that was ever in broadcasting or show-business admitted there. Well they didn't after hearing this story some reason why you know what though no regrets because they admit it you even though. You're clearly a carney. In their opinion right and yet who was there to Soko bug advocate? Who was there to buy another man a pair of shorts when his pants were too short. Right here right there with todd right over there. I mean I'm just be uncomfortable saying good night. Todd what did he said at first? That'd be even worse. I'd have to respond just so horrible new listener. New Listening you the guy in the F. One fifty just. Please stay with me a little bit longer you like. I'm not what you think I. Hey we hopped bunked. Would you at least tell me a bedtime story no. I'm not going to be good if you don't say goodnight. I or he doesn't take night. I you both are GonNa lie there and attend miserable silence. And that's no way to do. I could say see in the morning. Okay but good night you know. Here's here's the thing it's not the bottom line is. I could never hot bunk with Bob and I will step up and say this goes silent. Time he'll be over there sign and I won't be able to. I know well I have to sleep machines going so we're not yet but you were using words. You'll hear him talk texting me Sherry up. I don't care I don't care how budgets hop bunker with I will agree with you that would be me and be so now. I don't know what to do the free Bob and Sheri instantly get the podcast the gas and Bob and Sheri size. We're talking about my former life where I played a lot of golf. I I gave it up for for several years and went back to just a little bit of play few rounds last fall and I'm thinking of you know getting in shape and practicing again and maybe go back to playing more in the spring thing about golf is that It's outside and so many weird things can happen because very often you're with strangers. Sometimes you could have your own force them but if if you show up somewhere you're paired with somebody you don't know because they don't like singles going out and I believe you're okay with that I am now. I've met some interesting people. Actually I met the guy who won the Canadian lottery. He like one hundred million dollars something like that. I was paired up with him at Disney ones. And you just. There's so many weird things that can happen because you're out there with a club in a small ball a bunch of trees you know and It can be funny or it can be a little disarming like what when I was just learning to play I would play by myself a lot at an another golf course that I was allowed on and it was very very hot in the middle of the summer and so no one was out there but me. It was so hot that I got like a white towel. Put an ice water and wrapped it around my head because there was no one out there and you know I figured this is going to cool me down son playing along and all of a sudden I come upon another dude so I take the The rap often and put my head on and I say hi there. 'cause I caught up to him and he said Hey I've seen out here. How you doing is older guy. And you said we'd like to play in with me so we got about four five whole six holes left. What does that mean? That means you together shop together. Would you like to play into the eighteenth hole the end? That'd be fine? I don't know the dude. I'd rather play alone. But you know he asked. What am I gonNA say? No how would you say no in a situation like that without ally you'd have to say I'm so slow and I'm new at this and I'm nervous. I WanNa get you you know when I get a little bit better. I'll ruin your day. If you said that. Then he would say well. Let me help you out. That's very. That's possibility that free you know escape over so We hit tee shots to apart. Three and We I luckily landed on the par-three and he landed on the par-three it was A green that was below the tea. We go down there the carts on we walk on and he said I'm just getting back to it now. A At mazing medical procedure in Washington. Dc had to go all the way to Washington's brand new and I'm figuring it's like a heart thing some like that I went. Oh no kidding hope. You're okay Oh yeah I'm fine. I'm walking little on you but I'm fine yeah. They have a new procedure. Where if you got bad hemorrhoids. They laser him right off I was unaware of this miraculous procedure and I didn't know where to go. Conversationally 'cause there are some and that will tell you anything at all about what's going on with their with their has assumption now. Oh yeah well you know me will. It Must Work Great Years. Pretty spry out here today. I'll tell you hasn't affected your swing. The Lacy Shuffle Why would you tell me you don't even know something I bet intimate is that I don't know what it's like to have 'em routes but if you I bet if you have a wicked bad jumbo case somebody shoots a laser at him. You're telling everybody 'cause you're just so comfortable. The procedure doesn't sound easy. Well the you know. The alternative is have not not just stops up. We got the comedy part of it out of the way. Want you to get the uncomfortable comedy part of it. Don't don't please don't surgical on me. Don't be afraid of knowledge and medical progress to everybody knows there's no knowledge here that you're imparting just don't please don't do this. I'm asking you not to do. I don't ask you for very much surgical procedure. Oh my God you ask me all the time for stuff. Yes it is. It involves a rubber band. Shaw lasers quicker. Well he seemed to think so never saw him again. But aren't you glad that you were friendly and that you learned something on the voice? That's all I could think I couldn't concentrate on my shots whose terrible it was awful. A sharable taste of the show. The Sun size podcast every stakes onto three part. So if you're just tuning in we were talking a second ago Bob was playing golf with a complete stranger. And as they were owned getting ready to hit the balls or shots or whatever. The terminology is the man. Told bobby was feeling great. Concede just had his amrein's leaser. Was the update really necessary. So here's why here's a women. Just love guys in in situations like that. I've noticed that. Have you not noticed that Max? The idea like a guy takes a pool cue by mistake right. They're women just think that's so hysterical. I'm laughing not at the gentleman who has royds lease or I'm laughing because you're the last person that anybody should tell about intimate procedure. You are not into that but there are people that just want to talk about every single detail and sometimes they're not even talking to you you just happen to be standing in line next to them or sitting next to them at least the dentist office waiting for your turn and they're going into details. Yeah that's true now. The men will do that but I find that women are more interested in all those gory details. Maybe it's because what you go through your body's very tied to our buyout aren't but I know lots of women who are like No please like I had. I had that operation on my middle finger. Remember that about eight months ago and it was all bandaged up you know and everything and I was taking the bandage off and I went upstairs in the Lynette. Is there Mary's best friend and she says well? How's that finger do and I said No. It's it's pretty gory looking. Let me say I said No. You don't WanNa see this. Yes I do. I keep walking upstairs. Wait come back you know. I don't know what it is and Ellen my wife. Oh she can't get enough of this. She wants the note every single thing. Look like if I had been playing golf with that man which happened in any world but if I've been playing golf with that man and he said that to me I would have asked questions I would have. I would have wanted to know more. Yeah I know not an enquiring mind but probably you know. It'd probably is less weird for like if he shared that with me for me to go. What was that like? Did you feel it did? Was there a sizzle? This this guy would not have talked to a woman that right for you to ask. Those questions would have made him nervous. I think like if Bob would is spun around and wait. No we'll if I said you know. Does that hurt I? I don't think that's okay. We just move along. I mean what do you want three breaks out of this? It's just cannot believe I wish I I wish I could have seen in the into the future while the guy was talking to me and known that I will be making a living off of this moment things that happened to you and I just can't believe the things that happened to you. I was out of course Where was this in Tennessee with my father-in-law and my two brother-in-law's at the time and one brother in law was just terrible terrible Golfer. And so my father-in-law was a very good golfer. And so you have to hit over the Stone Bridge to the fairway. There's little stream little stonebridge about seventy five yards out. So he steps up and winds it up and swings his heart as he can and that ball went so low that it hit the stonebridge. And keep flying back in my father-in-law in the chess owner. God that's golf. I mean there's just goofy you're outside. You got a club in in a little ball. You're hitting it outside. Goofy things will have. I miss it. I thought you said you were GonNa do it again. Yeah Yeah I think I am pretty good up there and do it again and look at all the they're not strangers there friends you've yet to meet friends. Yeah that's right way towards shared their more knows what they've been through since I've been out of the game. There's so many medical breakthroughs. I'm ready to hear a nice friendly face. People feel I am very polite friendly polite person that I talked about this. Yeah there are some guys go out there and you know you take a club out of the bet you use that. Are you kidding me that club? I would never do that. Tell some aggressive barking starling man about your own. There it's Sherry. You may not realize we actually have a website. Dop A. N. D. S. H. E. R. I. 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Just change their policy. Hey Tracy Tracy guys how are you? So what's the deal with the where you work at your hospital to the allow them now? Do they ban them? What's the sorry over eighteen years I've really gotten to be kind of how the thought has changed On you know. Tattoo image and things like that and it's always in Kind of every hospital worked in. You couldn't have any visible tattoos If they were on your arms or anything like that you have to wear long Swedes. You couldn't have facial piercings or any Hair colors that were not naturally occurring and in the past. I think it's been about four months now. The hospital has changed. Its policy that we no longer have to cover up our tattoos We just can't have them visible on our face or neck and we still. We still can't facial piercings Or were you know the naturally occurring hair colors which they don't enforce that too much? I don't know how many women have natural Fuchsia hair. But I see that quite often. So so why do you? Why do you think there was a change? Are they Adapting new policies because there were younger nurses coming on who might want to have had and so on. Let's do you think of how many people have tattoos now. Compared to how you know it used to be only bikers. Gang bangers had tattoos you know and now it's used so often form of expression like you said my sister and I have matching tattoos on our wrist. So I think it's just that it's no longer looked at it as you know this Gang Banger biker type image. You know it's becoming more. Socially acceptable is just. You know my wife and her daughter have matching tattoos on their wrists. And you know let let me just say as a non tattoo person. I am fine with that. We were talking about it the other day and it was at a medical facility and the for a checkup in the nurse had a full sleeve on the left arm. I'll have a problem with that at all. Now if I'm going to be going under and having a serious surgery I don't WanNa see on the doctor's face unforgiven or something like that. You know what I mean more to lose tattooed on his hand. Exactly I don't I don't want to see that I mean I can. I guess I could see that. I don't think I'd want post operating on me but at the same time I I mean I have some excellent excellent colleagues who outside of workout. Their eyebrows ears tongue pierced. And things like that and when they first Change the policy. It was mostly the elderly population. Who commented about it? I'm ready kind of be like. Oh Wow they let you. Nurses have all these shoes now and things like that and again what does what does your to have to do with your level of skill and care right. That's what Sherri was saying. The other dead. What she cares about. It's not the Tattoo but the the expertise right. I think it's just you know. It's it's a stereotype you know like. I said most people used to be if you had any kind of tattoos you know you were a bad ass. Sorry can I read? I read the most wonderful article online last week about a tattoo. Artist who specializes in these past called paramedical tattoos and he helps women who've had breast surgery for cancer reconstructive surgery family member. Who had this done? She had Yeah exactly well. He had a man come to him. Who'd lost the first part of two fingers in a construction accident so he didn't have fingernails on those two fingers and he was kind of anxious about it right So this Tattoo artist tattooed fingernails. No can it is the most extraordinary thing to see. What an interesting special in the man's and the man he did it for said. I feel whole again. Isn't that so he's expanded From people that have lick facial scarring. There was one person that had their whole eyebrow torn off And so he was able to ink that back on. That's great people need to just open their minds. It is your business. What Tracy has on her body. I'll tell you something if if a nurse has a bunch of tattoos and She's going to hook me up for an Ivy. I am not saying. Oh you have tattoos. They let you work here. Because I've figured she's going to have a real hard time. Finding that vein. He's going to now. I mean in all honesty. Most of us. We don't really go so much by what we can see what we what we go by what we can feel so that kind of eliminates the visual part of it. Well listen I it. Congratulations and thank you for Eighteen years of Being in one of the greatest professions that any person can I feel blessed that I I honestly don't mind getting up and going to work for me. It's a calling on where I'm supposed to be more just love Marine Vet. That's fantastic. You ever were sick or hurt. Isn't this who you want to come in yet? I want Tracy exactly right Tracy dear. Thank thank you and Have a have a great day to day. Thank you so much I hope you need. I WANNA be wherever my patients. I mean that away. Thank you really. We'd love to hear from you at eight. Eight eight feel B. S. H. E. R. I. Calls Twenty Four Hours a day. You can even talk back on our APP. Free play the. It store. Poor you can see this Indiana Bob. Dot Com use the talk back to back each on the free APP and leave us a message. I guess People beginning engaged pretty soon for You know spring and summer weddings and if that's the situation that you're in we're going to right now. Read some posts that I came upon from married people to give you an idea of what married life is really like after y'all together for a few years okay. I'm going to read the name of the person who posted it and then they're post. The first one is from mark. He calls himself the cat whisper. I don't know why there is no way to place my wife's coffee order at starbucks without feeling like I need to apologize afterward. This is from Jesse. Jesse says seventy percent of marriage is yelling. What from a different room. You know I don't do that. I hate it when I hear the kids. Go there being called by their mother. What you know. I don't do that. You know what I say. Honest to God yes dare. I couldn't hear you. Yeah almost like something out of a forties movie black and white. Yes yes I couldn't hear you. That's too much but I'll do dear. I couldn't hear you because I'm hoping not mad at me for something. Here's the next post from Ursula me drives to a different store to save seventy five cents on bread also me spend four hundred dollars on a blow dryer that night husband. How was Your Day me? Great I saved US money. Bread try to find the next one. Love this you're GonNa love this. This is from Mommy Owl. Tell me how tired you are so I can upstage you and tell you how much more tired and you saw right there. This is from sarcastic. Mommy not to Brag but my husband said like I'm the most maintenance person he's ever been A since good job I just watched our server back away cheer or when my husband suggested we share a dessert This is from Mary. Ferry Bo- bury traveling with your husband's phone. Because no matter where you go you will still end up in a walmart. Buying the one thing. He was entrusted to pack guilty guilty. My wife is from Abe. My wife and I have an agreement. I get to hold the remote and she gets make every other decision in our lunch. This is from mommy owl marriages basically cleaning the kitchen and then walking away for two seconds and then coming back and seeing the kitchen is destroyed again and getting super annoyed over and over again until you die. This is from James Break. Well Exploding Unicorn. That's an exciting handle wife. What movie do you want to watch tonight me? Whatever we'll keep you awake past the opening credits that movie does not exist and then finally here Wife's traveling or work so I've set the alarm for one. Am TO YELL AT MYSELF. For using her pillow. Read it once and read it again. I can't believe this is Bob and Cherries believe this is a classic morons in the new situation. But I put it here because there's so much bizarre detail in it and this is something that could affect every single person listening and that's not true of most morons in the news stories. A twenty eight year old woman from Texas. Her name's Stephanie Hunters. She's being charged with fraud and making false statements to obtain credit. She was arrested a few weeks ago. She went on the dark web and she purchased identities. And you can do that for about ten dollars. You can purchase someone's identity for about ten bucks on the dark web and you know you get those notices as email notices sometimes from lake capital one or whatever Where they let you know that There's been a data breach and it's possible that your information was compromised. Well I'm GonNa tell you two of the People's whose identity she purchased. Who were caught in one of these breaches and they're both extraordinarily well known and in one case while both cases they're billionaires. Well and Stephanie are girl here did not know who either. One of them were So she stole she purchased on the Dark Web. The identity of Alice Walton the heiress to Omar Fortune and the Identity to a very famous person in Texas. His name is Tillman for Tita and he owns the Houston Rockets. Wow He's worth like four and a half billion dollars And she bought his identity and then she opened a cons. You know the home appliance furnace. She opened a cons credit account so that she could buy some stuff for her house in the name of Houston Rockets owner. Tillman for TITA. Now here's the thing He's a billionaire. And you don't get to be that way not understanding what's happening with your money and your social security number right. So it he flagged on his credit and he immediately alerted authorities and it took authorities about a half a second to track down the culprit. Good so they went and And they arrested her and she bought his social security number and some other details to get her line of approval but she used her own home address for the cons credit card account. Which is why it's a classic morons in the news story. Because the police had no trouble finding they just went to the address that she had given she told police that quote. Spur of the moment. I apologize it wasn't something I do on a regular basis or anything. Calm down deepal. Slow Your Roll Karen A so. The police were like yeah. It doesn't matter. It does not work this way and she said I just needed the money. I needed to buy some stuff from my house but I haven't bought anything yet. Yeah but that doesn't make any make any because if you were if you were lining up to do it. That's that's the crime right there. She's out on bail right now and It's scary that she could get on the dark web and figure that out so quality just like I wouldn't know how to get on the dark web. That's we were discussing last week. I had no idea either. And she also said and I like this part very much when the police said a he owns the Houston Rockets. Stephanie and she's the errors to the Walmart. Fortune Stephanie went. I mean these people are yeah. That's how stupid people can get can get caught we. We think that somebody's really really smart because they were able to. You know get on the dark web all right so she had some sort of skill or somebody was helping her to do that. But there's a lot to be said for general knowledge. Just the general knowledge of. Who's who in the world and what's what where's where I saw. Jimmy Kimmel the other night. They had a map of the world and person after person after person was asked point to one country in identifying these are adults forty five fifty years old. Couldn't do it none of them. Could there ten people and none of them could find one of them? Couldn't find the United States of America? Oh so if you can't find America on a map you don't Walton exactly. Well did I tell you? Did I tell you how much she paid for Tillman for Titas. Social Security Number on the dark web guest fifty bucks. Max You gotta guess for what she paid because this is what your social security number is worth dark web ten dollars ten bucks ten dollars and unlike the billionaire owner of the Houston Rockets. Who has people that can help fix this? When your social security number is sold for ten bucks it can turn your whole life into chaos a nightmare. Yeah so This is like the best of all worlds classic more on New Story. But it's also I mean it got my attention because I get those emails all the time data breach data breach because I have credit Karma and so anytime. There's a data breach. Credit Karma sends me an e mail. Your data may be compromised and like all Americans. I look at it and go. Yeah but what are the odds will? The odds are pretty high and on this subject before we go to the break I saw the other day that Americans would give all of their privacy to facebook in exchange for three dollars and fifty cents a month. Which doesn't get you take what we are living in a time where people just don't even care anymore about their privacy like we all know we don't have it will no longer value and I think if you haven't been breached if you haven't been hurt you don't know how bad it you don't know how bad it can be in your finger weather. So many people probably not me but not always sign up for the newsletter with Bob and Sheri exclusive articles sign up now and qualify for a fifty dollars visa gift card at Bob and Sheri Dot Com. So I was reading this article about what couples fight about and I was going to bring it on then. I said you know this. It's the same old stuff. The number one thing was a lack of Affection and Of Communication. I mean. I've been talking about this. I just can't do it but I want a little bit deeper and a couple of them were kind of interesting one of the things. It's down the list but it's on. The list is past relationships. Okay Yeah I can see that. How could you see them? I mean they're past right. Some people are just really jealous and they less. You're keeping a hard time letting the Pasco but it's not your past. She's got a pass. That's her past. You should have accepted the past and said but I'm with her right now. Yeah but there are certain things that I think people have a harder time. Can you give me an example of what are you talking about somebody? You're keeping in contact with that. She's keeping in contact with could see. That would be an issue if you were a jealous person or you know what if You know what if an impasse relationship? Let's say that that that it's you and Mary and in a pass relationship she kept He was a bad boy. Nch kept bailing amount of jail. And and this that and the other destroyer credit and he rector car Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. So now you're together and it's a whole new day but you can't qualify for a mortgage because her credits trashed and we all know. Why your credits trash don't we So yeah so I mean past actions that are now impacting your current June. Absolutely see why. This is the thing people fight about. Can You Max? I totally get why people fight about this down on. The list was the frequency of love making and The style I'm using euphemisms but you know acid the frequency and the style and and This one I I never think of but spending too much money. One person spending too much money has a terrific effect on the relationship. I told you about a former accountant I had and it wasn't because he was an accountant but he said to his wife one day he said you know we have a pretty good thing going here but it's not great and you are putting me and you in the poor house and I've asked you to stop spending over and over and and I'm done. Are you saying you're surprised that people fight about that person is spending? I'm surprised I'm surprised that there's somebody who's spending all that money doesn't realize the harm he or she is doing to the relationship. Are you really surprised by that? I am not even a little bit surprised by. Yeah I mean I was married to go ahead. I was married to one woman that took a loan out in my name and didn't even know sign my name and then I found out later and we got divorce. Guess who paid off that loan with that interest rate? I'm looking at him. That would be me. Yeah I'm just surprised that somebody would say okay. I'm going to marry this man very this and then a few years then put that in jeopardy in everything that is attached to it because they can't pull back spending going to Vegas finding expensive cars. I don't get why you're and spending can be an addiction like drink examined shoplifting gambling. Whatever yeah I can't believe you're surprised by this. You just don't hear that people get divorced. Because of one spending that much it's usually fidelity for the infidelity is a response to all the other stuff. Maybe facebook twitter instagram. You know that's how your mom describes the Ron all of them and we would love to have you come hang out with us on any of our social media hit up our facebook for stuff you hear every day on the show. Talk to us on twitter. She just a message on instagram. We want to hear from you while you back. Plus it's always katter day right around the corner and we're looking at your picks. That's Bob and Sheri on facebook twitter instagram and our website a and E. S. H. E. R. DOT COM. Sign up for our newsletter. And you could win a fifty dollars Visa Gift Card. Thank you so which the podcast sign up for the newsletter with Bob and Sheri exclusive articles. Sign up now and qualify for a fifty dollars visa gift card at Bob and Sheri Dot Com. We were just talking on the show not too long ago about the saying that your children live lives that you have no idea of which is true. I mean we. We think we know everything that goes on in. Our kids lives but once they're old enough to go to school. They've developed a life that we are not a part of really well. It's equally true that your parents may have lived lives that you know anything about MACs came upon and I don't know where you stumbled on this but a really interesting story about a man in India. Who was going through some stuff in his mom's attic and there was a trunk and inside. The trunk was a vinyl record album and on the vinyl album cover was a picture of his mother as a young woman along with her. Name engraved big bold letters and that was the day he learned that his mom had had a whole career as a disco pop singer and so he brought the album down just go. He brought the album down. It was called her one and only album and it came out in nineteen eighty two. It was called Disco Jazz and he googled it and it turns out that it's really collectible and it sells for hundreds and hundreds of dollars. It's a rare collectible pressing and wait. There's more somehow. The Algorithm that runs YouTube. Got a hold of this song and pushed it out there. One of the songs off the album and that and that song is called is Shawna Bar and it's had more than a million and a half youtube views or you're kidding it's being sampled and used by musicians and DJ's all over the world now. He didn't know that his mom had an album and his mom for her part had no idea that people knew she had an album. We're listening to her music. Here's what it sounds like took off. It isn't catchy. It sounds like and see if you agree Max late seventies kind of a sound. It's nineteen eighty to eighty two. Yeah was far. So listen to this An expert in the digital world and music said that the reason that this has happened for this woman and this album is because you tubes algorithm suggest music not based on genre like jazz or pop rock but on mood and atmosphere and because this particular song that she's thinking right here it fits on playlists for study music shower music relaxing music. Spa Music background music. Yeah it's not really dance music. It's lighter than that. It fits so many categories for that Youtube Algorithm that the platform grabbed it and pushed it forward and so this one off album that this woman made back in one thousand nine hundred eighty two and she tried. She really tried to launch a music career but she said the record only sold a few thousand copies. When it came out I went to stores. I stood in front of the cassettes and I hope someone would recognize me but unfortunately nothing ever happened so I got irritated. I bought my own cassettes and gave them to my family. After that I decided not to dwell. I completed my master's in music worked for a local newspaper performed shows for a few years and then gave up but thanks to the Youtube Algorithm. She's back getting royalties she alive. Yeah yes she's getting royalties law sees corresponding with fans all around the world at screw and she's practicing to get her voice back in shape because she's going back out there about it all started because her son was rummaging around in the attic. I'm sorry did you say hold? She is no no. I can't remember about sixty. Yeah that's wonderful I. I read something that was similar to this. They were doing some construction old house and the torch. The construction guys Towrad a wall and they found a book that belonged to a high school girl in the nineteen fifties like nineteen fifty seven. Something like that and there was Elizabeth. I think it was a purse was interested a school that that's what it was that you have that right there. I thought it was so interesting. What was in the purse? A teenager in Ohio lost her purse in nineteen fifty seven and it wasn't seen again for sixty two years when it was found wedged behind a locker at North canton Middle School in Ohio and when they opened it it was like a time capsule to nineteen fifty seven. The purse belong to Patty Room Fulla who graduated from Hoover. High School has a new name. Now back in nineteen sixty She passed away but her five children have her old red purse but say what Senate there was like. A schedule does make up no peppermint flavored beech nut gum a photo from her friend. Bonnie Hazel bishop lipstick in the shade of Pastel Pink. She was a high school member of the American Junior Red Cross. She had her library card her. Ymca membership Which of course has expired and some pennies that is a look at nineteen fifty seven? What was the number? One sponsor for. Dick Clark's American bandstand back. Then each not each not there you go. Yeah Lamar's review sent right to your phone text. Eight eight eight Bob. Sharing so I saw this online insults that People never forgot. I think we probably all have them somewhere. Maybe we try to just you know stuff way back in the attic of our minds so we don't think about him too much but we've all that insulted in little ways somewhere along the way these are just some that these folks have never gotten rid of one for me Just to start it off was a guy said to me. Well I've got my education to fall back on. Do you ever worry about your situation. Man I have a couple of years of college and I'm and this was my I mean. My career is going great. I didn't know quite how to respond to that. I don't see him very much anymore. Okay here we go up first one. Do you have any redeeming qualities? Oh that's just ugly. Come on it really is. I used to think so much of you. That wants still stinks. Whoever wrote this remind guests that I was twenty two years old? I'm twenty eight and I was stoked thinking I was keeping my youth until the very last day and then I found out they thought I was twenty two because I was in such a crummy job. Yeah I know this one is really interesting. Someone told you confuse motion with progress. Oh I can see you see that. Yeah can you say that as long as there's some ocean going on we're doing something but it may just be running in circles? Tell me a look at me. Tell me that we don't know what that's like. No it's true. It's very true in my mid thirties. I was out one night and I was hitting on a really good-looking girl. I got it. I was getting to know her better. Because we're both regulars at the same bar and she said you're like a twenty five year old. Oh thanks. I said that wasn't a compliment. I'll tell you though she's fat. She's fast on her feet right. let's see what's another. She's probably used that line many times. You know she may have. You're right you're right about that. Here's the next one. You perceive everything as a threat and a person the person who was That was directed at set. They were right. This one is tough. Your wife must be such a good person. I bet she adopt. Stray dogs helps the poor except trash from the side of the road. Explains how she ended up with you that that is really awful. That is brutal Let me find another one. A girl asked me once if I'd been in a fire and if that was why my eyebrows were so jacked up. What this but these are the people that are like that's just me. I'm just honest. That's exactly right I was having somebody for a dollar. I was owed. I received ninety nine pennies. It made me realize I needed to let certain things go this. I was told the following. You kind of look like a crackhead this after months of taking prescription at all daily barely getting sleep. Barely eating smoking weed to help me ignore the side effects. I basically walked outside broke down crying. I quit the stuff that week. I quit my crummy job a month later. I am about to graduate college so maybe that particular. I want her. That did have a purpose and then someone finally said if they were flirting with you. They'd flirt with any sign up for the newsletter with Bob and Sheri exclusive articles sign up now and qualify for a fifty dollars Visa Gift Card at Bob and Cherry Dot Com. I read an article on wired dot com about an APP that I have on my phone. But I'm going to load it called naturalist and here's basically how it works it. It's designed get you outside so when you have this APP on your phone it it asks for your location and you share your location with it And then it maps. The natural world around you identifying like parks no no. It's more specific than that Specific kinds of trees and bushes like you know you walk outside of the building that we work in. You'll walk outside and you've been walking past this stuff forever. You don't even really look at it or pay attention to it but this apple tell you. That's a red buried fluffer knocker Bush and oh there's a deer over there like all these really cool things it. The APP is meant to snap us out of our fog of just walking through the world and not paying attention to is an APP called seek partner Apple. Okay yeah so I have seek so. Do you pointed at something as your belt works. Also you pointed at something and it tells you what kind it is or as close as it can get with it Like if it pointed at your dog it wouldn't tell you it's a labrador tow but it would tell you that it is a domestic dog is what it would tell you okay so that you pointed it at a Rhododendron it would tell you are right and while Max is off hiking it would. It would show that there's a Fox. You know twenty yards off the trail to the left. Wow never so it really has been a reach its soup. How much Barich Max? Do you think it has thirty eight. I don't see the the APP you're talking about works in concert with this. You actually have to point this at something in order to to know what it is. So it's like you pointed at whatever. Music is playing in identified. Yeah like that and and with seek with both of them you can be kind of like a citizen scientists silica if you know something like right outside your door. There's a rare kind of failure. Whatever you could write. Send that to the APP in. No wonder what I wonder what it would do. If you like pointed at somebody in a bar it would tell me to go home. I would say to you guys but it would say girl go home. I think the point is to go outside so I I saw spending. I love the idea that expense. Well I know the only outside so long and then you go into the bar. I just love the idea that it's a way to use technology to encourage people to not be staring at technology. I saw a thing the other day about Children and technology. And WHOA WHOA. Whoa if you have young kids and we find it. It's threat around here somewhere to continue. I don't want to not be exact on this. Make sure I've got it but basically what it's saying is if you have a young child and the child is under three years of age that child if it's looking at some sort of technology on screen and it's under three years of age is going to have some difficulties later in life. The difficulty altis are going. You know I don't have it here but basically with tensions attention span more than anything else. Yeah so don't why would you? Why would you give a three year old screens? I don't I know. Keep it quiet. But Good Lord. You were given screens as a baby. It was a different screen. It was locked down in the living room and there wasn't anything but but the silent storm gardening later. The price is right or whatever but You know because being apparently hard and sometimes you gotta pay. I don't want to judge on people. They have different Stein. My watching you know the secret storm which I wouldn't watch because it was so boring I would go outside because secret storm was at nothing for me and bunch of people just really uptight about each other. Like remember ever Sita's single moment of the secret store. I haven't seen the audio X. brought it up. One day is a joke as the more I thought about the tidal. The one thing that is never a secret on any daytime or nighttime soap is the storm. That's true secret to that Moore. Secrets Rock What do whites a secret storm? 'cause those shows used to be broadcast for women you know stay at home women and they were so aggravated with the old man. That inside them all day long was a secret storm. My mother used to watch these ones and one of them was general hospital which is still on. Yeah always racy when I was a kid right. I'm spending time with mom and I'm watching this. There was some racy stuff on there. I couldn't believe it when I first saw guys with their shirts off. I cited watch any any of those shows. But you know then you'd walk by the TV somewhere and there it is and there's Mr Hunk in bed with no shirt on and the inferences he got no paints on either and so much light. Yeah I know it should look into handle that life without shirt. I'll take no wonder they all had amnesia. If I had to look at myself in that much over time I get my mom's still watching the bachelor wonder what she thinks about them all hooking up and stuff. You know it's funny. Sometimes we get to a certain point league open. Those are just young people but when you were coming up here put its bobbin shared. Get the Free Bobbins. Sheri and instantly get the PODCAST. The odd cast and Bob and Sheri Fun size so a few days ago. We didn't we didn't bring it up. We were busy but a few days ago. I think it was last. Friday blanket turned eighteen blanket. Michael Jackson's blanket. Yeah real name. Prince Michael Jackson the second because his other brothers Prince Michael. It's so confusing. I just with blanket if I were him. Yeah he's he's eighteen. I think he was the one that was held in France over when he was just an infant was held over the balcony and the press was below and Michael held him over the balcony imperial. Were freaking out. You're holding a baby over a balcony from a hotel but four stories up. Remember that you know if I were blanket. I there's gotta be some great still photos of that around. I would get them and I would have blown up like a giant size and that I would put it in my house somewhere to have. It turned into enough to cover one whole wall and holder. Yeah that's right and then people would come over you know like I. I'd have data over and they go. Whoa what's that? Oh that's my father Michael. And that's me being held over this crowd. I mean you talk about something to bring up some conversation as conversation starter. If your nickname was blanket would you keep it? No I wouldn't. Here's why we're buying is but you have to win wondering project. Would I would keep it in here spy. Nobody else has that name. Yeah that's true but there is a reason. I mean your your blanket. A blanket can be a wonderful thing can be comforting warm and fuzzy and soft. Who doesn't like a blanket? It it will be all yours okay. Let's pretend that I'm blanket. Right I CA. Can you put in like some Bar? Sort of ambient sound or music. It doesn't have to be great or anything so you'd be at like you'll be it a chick obey but a doll esteem skirt at At a bar and And I'm walking in. I get an I fully you. Go over there and I kind of lean against the bar and you're looking straight ahead. Maybe you got a girlfriend on the left and then you make that move where you're opening up. The possibility of my sang central. And you can tell by this scripture to have been in a situation quite. I've never been in this situation where there's a bar girlfriend all George you even a million times. But I've never been like seated at the bar where the girlfriend next now. We're always up and moving or dancing or whatever. I'm dancing up to you all right. Hey F C in here a few times how you doing good good. Can I ask you sharing? Hey I'm blanket. I'm starting life like it. Did something wrong with that. You don't like blanket on your manager. That kind of attitude is what gets you. Pepper sprayed suck so. I'm just saying I don't think I keep thinking you have to be playful about it. You can be around. It's allowed loud bar. You just came dancing up to be like a little free. It's either yelled at. Your name is blanket. I have to check out this hurt. Here's how this works ready. You won't try this again. Let's try skin suit club. Hey how you doing good you. I'm doing good got some good dancers. What's your name Sheri Sheri? My name is blanket. Did you say blanket? Yes I was once called baby blanket when I was growing up. Are you making it seriously? It's on my driver's license. And what I buy you a drink. I'll take your name is seriously played. His blanket come over here. This guy says his name is blanket. They used to go on a baby blanket. Oh my God I bet you were so cute rocky. Hold my beer. I gotta go out in. The parking lot slashed his tires. He's got that sound. I want you to be my friends. You guys this plane. Get driver's license wants. Thank you so much for listening to the Bob and Sheri podcast and the Bob and Sheri odd cast. We would love if you would subscribe rate and review and share it with a friend on facebook twitter instagram. Wherever you go and thank you again for this.

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A Bob & Sheri Listener Hits the Big Screen

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A Bob & Sheri Listener Hits the Big Screen

"We have a big show ahead. Let's get the Bob and Sheri Show with Sherry Talking Game and Bob. I have been mean. Uh now broadcasting from the police Bob and Sheri Studios. It's actually really am might as well as you know just own own. It's on brand for people are saying you know you really are okay. You got the last The last few days I've I've been alone my Stepdaughter will be going back to college. which got the Pinkai? While she `esprit my wife at the beach and they decided to stay away. So so you don't you they know me and plus my stepson steps my I'm still laughing. My daughter Landon is bringing my grandchild to visit so we want to keep the house very. Yeah you don't want paint Guy Newbie. Isn't that the worst name I call when I heard I was calling it the Pinkai. 'cause somehow the pink mix yeah it makes it more extreme. She's Madison got the Pink Guy. Mary looked at her and said you know Bob is going to be on. That's right that's exactly what the baby's concerned you have to be so careful when they're be that's right and and this baby to you have to be very careful for me so I've been alone and I've been doing a lot of cooking. I'm cooking the things that they do pretty good with but she really just doesn't want to eat it. You look my pasta puzzle. I made chicken noodle soup and that turned out pretty good for some reason. She just won't eat it so I've been eating that stuff and there's so how much chopping going on right the chopping. Do they really have something where you you put the vegetable in slam it down. And it's chopped up the food processor I bought a food processor. And it just cremated the I want a thing where a like a slap chop. Yeah where do you where do you go. There's there's a thing it's it's it's It was basically done for onions. Her buys all this crap and he sent this to me a long time ago. But it's like a little like a little Area and you put the onion on and then you take the lead and you slam it down and pushes it through the the the chopper thing and puts it into little cubes. That's what I want. Yeah I went door. Look what I'm going to tell tell you I'm GonNa tell you where you can buy it you get a roll your eyes. You're going to do that eyebrow thing I'm Rajko because they they don't carry it at restaurants hardware. I'm watching them. You Combined Walmart. Yeah it's good. It's good on but I'm not GONNA go there. I'm I'm not I'm just not needed cuisinart. Mini crap. That's what I have and pure as is everything I hate it. How about if you get the actual slap chop as seen on? That's what I want. You want me to get you a slap chop. He said I could get it at Walmart. You could get it. We'll that's what I'm GONNA do. I'M GONNA go over there and get it. It's low tech. I know that's one of the pluses. Let him go to Walmart. Because that'll fill a couple breaks on on the show. Yeah Yeah Yeah whatever happens yeah you why don't you. Why don't you go to Walmart and get you a slap chop? You're manipulating me. Now the slap chop is is it going to be in the kitchen stuff or is it in the as seen on TV section. They really work. You Know I. It looked so cheesy on TV right. I walked into a Please nobody comment sir. Letaba plow the store did pop at the mall. The store is there any PAPA I am at tablet and I'm looking for a slap chop and I said do you have a slapshot I didn't and then they looked at me and looked at the door. Papa they do not sell the slap chop they don't at Walmart is called a fresh where or in one onion vegetable fruit and cheese cutter. You text him that. That's what I would forgotten. He's not gonNA work. That's not true. Don't be were to get my watched fix than I. Follow your directions and it's over there. Now okay wait what what is. What is the name of the product? I want you to get at Walmart. It's I I don't know it's not on my phone forgotten. Please send him to it all. I can think of a slap chop slap chop it is I papa Bush. You're you're still the people overturned Kabul. They looked at me like I was scum because I asked for something got could chop. Here's see cal do you. How do you say in this laptop? They didn't even WanNa talk to me. I sent it to you too because honestly what's going to happen. Call me that. He's going to call me lady who's going to remember the name of that thing. Todd told me I'm at Walmart and some man just showed me his ass. It's very stressful. And what is the name of that thing. I'm just going back to you know. I don't have this big war with Walmart that you think I have my only my only fight with Walmart. Walmart is if I'm driving if I'M GONNA go into Walmart and I drive in. The parking lot is on the right. It is so stressful to let the people go by and I let let them go by but then sometimes they take too long or another car comes in. It's the Walmart near Your House. This is the most stressful driving of parking lot. I have never experienced it so bad that once a week I take take care of me out to the parking lot and I make her do the Walmart parking lot navigation. I think it's a good idea because you can drive anywhere. I told her I'm like this is is a lawless environment. No one will follow any of the rules. You learned drivers the people come out of the Walmart with with with the carts and they don't even look. Ah Yes. That's what I told her and she and I can't tell you how many times she said that person didn't stop at the Stop Sign Right. Well we're at the lawless Walmart's yeah I know I know it and now we will be on the lookout for Papa and he slept up. That's not really the name of it but he's going to tech. It's uh-huh sharing us the talk back to back each on the free Sherry APP and leaving a message so with my wife away as I said I've been doing a lot of cooking you know and there's so much shopping topping because I I haven't been to get the slap chop yet. I'm chopping chopping and I have attention deficit a little bit so I have to watch something and I got the net Phillix. 'cause you know oh I have the fire stick shop and so. I've watched the Irishman. What think you know? I'm just going to be honest. Okay I'm going to be honest to. Let's tell everybody what the movie is. Who the director? Martin Scorsese made the Irishman for Netflix. And I think it was in theaters there's to excite frenzy sutton hitters it stars Robert De Niro and Joe Pass she and Al Pacino Jimmy Hoffa right Deniro place kind of a an Irish guy a hardworking guy who teamsters but he gets kind of sucked into that job kind of falls into that job and pass she plays a mob boss okay. So here's what I think I think number one Joe Patchy should be nominated for an academy award number two. The movie disappointed me somewhat I don't know why I guess I always stacking it against goodfellas which was just such an amazing movie movie you know and this this seems like not really a necessary movie to be made. That's just what I saw. Thank you for your honesty because I watched it too and I love like you like if there was a gangster cartoon and all the gangsters were beavers. I would watch it like. There's no no gangster movie I'm not GonNa Watch Love them all like. I've seen all of them twice. I thought the Irishman was unnecessary. Very and I just didn't care. Yeah by the end of the movie. I didn't care either. Even though their performances I thought Pacino was really good as Hoffa. I thought -pecially amazing. Oh he was fantastic and Deniro is always great has she is playing a very restrained. Yes character and in a very restrained wipe. I don't pay. She was so good I thought all all of the casting the every part from the smallest part all the way to Deniro. I thought it was brilliant. The movie was so interesting to look at the the the. AM sets the seventies clothes. Like all of it was all the ingredients were there. I just didn't care Max you saw. The Romano was good it when he started. Everybody Loves Raymond Patricia. Heaton said he was such a bad actor. I was like I wasted my time for this audition. I mean he was great in that part he was. I'm I found. I think they should've used younger actors for the younger parts. What they did with the face thing if not distracting missile? It was distracting. However if I didn't know who those actors were ahead of time I don't think it would have been as distracting? See what I mean. Yeah but my husband said the same thing actually yeah. I watched the thing that they had on Netflix. Where they talked to all the actors and one thing was nobody wanted to tell Pacino had to do something and I said you're GONNA and have to get up like a forty nine year old man not like seventy five year old man because he was moving to leave your heart and they? Nobody wanted to give him that direction. I'm Pacino Achino is really good as Hoffa and Pacino was really great as that agent producer Schwarzer's in once upon a time in Hollywood which Brad Pitt to that once upon a time in Hollywood swept the Golden Globes. Brad Pitt. One I mean. I watched that for the second time on demand because I liked that movie so much and once again and was like wow Pacino's really good. It's a very small part but he's really good in it. The thing about these two movies once upon a time in Hollywood and the The gangster movie talking about the Irishman there. Over three hours long. Yeah it's a it's a nieves like three and a half hours somebody said at the Golden Globes that Who DiCaprio went to the Golden Globes out Ricky Survey said and by the time he took his date to see the the opening and by the time it was over she was too old for it? Said I love you meant to Leonardo DiCaprio. He said and I would have found some room for you on that door which we how many years ago saying that right yes. I'm glad to hear you say that because I just the ever going to be over I just don't even just because it was too long or in my opinion it was unnecessary. Yeah I know I'm right right there with you. I think there was some great filmmaking. I still there was to look at the people involved and some great performances and some beautiful dial. I mean all the ingredients needs there. I do not disagree. Nice for people over sixty five. They'll bring serious complications. ABOR can mean the flu so much for symptoms with the Exegen. Temporal scanner kids. Quick and easy to use. Here's Bob Sherry. My daughter is finally recovered from her food poisoning. That's a good at times. She went out for Pizza and frozen yogurt. She has food poisoning. Mine has pink so she went out for pizza. I saw and frozen yogurt With her friends and within thirty minutes of getting back into MS car she was throwing up into a bag that Emma had in her car. And so I I drove over to Emma's house and picked her up and she had that she was shaking. She had the chills and she was like. I have the flu. And you don't have the flu. I'm like ninety percent shore. This is food poisoning. So this is a thing that you do when you're a mom when you're a parent you just make absolute proclamations proclamations and a diagnosis based on really no knowledge whatsoever. Yes a starkly all mothers and you do that and part of the reason I did. That was hope Hope because here's what I don't want coming into my house. The stomach flu. Yeah so I am going to declare that this is not the stomach flu and therefore it will not be the stomach. Flu Got Lucky. I was right that it was food poisoning. That was the only place I got lucky so I send her down to bed now. She's thrown up twice so I'm thinking well we're probably Don John Throwing up. That was not correct so I send her down to bed and I give her you know. Here's your trash can try to throw up in that. And she passes out cold and at some point in the middle of the night she woke up sick and disoriented and Projectile Vomiting Pizza and frozen yogurt yogurt and I. I'm so glad you're sharing this. The trash can by a country mile so I go down and she and I'm informed by text message that she has had an incident and she's so sick that she threw a blanket over it so I go down the next morning. Avoid remember when she was a little kid and you and you bring a pork chop to her she you would hold her hand. Closer is a go away pork away ham. This was kind of like away bombing so since I had the benefit of because this is like the world that we live in. Now your kid text you from her bed. Here's the deal has projectile vomited pizza and fro. Yo and throw a blanket over it and that she may be dying so I put on some disposable rubber gloves that ahead in the house got a trash bag and some clorox. You're like the person who does the clean up after a mob exactly and a roll of paper towel I I was like what Harvey Keitel fiction. That's who I was thinking so go into a room and I don't friends I don't want to move the blanket I don't want I don't want an so instead. I take the blanket and I scoop loop as best. I can into the plastic bag. And there's some towels that she's thrown down there and like a sock and I get it all under the plastic bag back. I dumped the clorox on the floor. And I'm cleaning it so the floors in my kid's bedrooms are made of stained cement and I know you're thinking. Wow Wow you're raising your children and a North Korean detention I am and I recommend. I recommend it a lot of people that think that 'cause I'm here to tell you when you're on cement. There is nothing they can drop on the floor. That's true so it's all good except When you have cement floors when they pour the cement they pour it? It's not it's not like a continuous unbroken slab. Parts the whole this whole level of my houses cement stained cement floors and they look cool reading the very cool. It doesn't look as much like a North Korean prison. As Mickey sowed out but this man is not uniform. There are lubrication separations and there's a crack in between the separation. I think we all know where you're going. It's not a big crack. But she managed to get the crack. Hit that crack though And now I've got a fish that out of the crack so I'm looking at google a plastic knife You know that commercial on TV for service pro like it never happened. Yeah they would turn this Gig it. No one would've been would've come so it took me a long time but I finally. I finally got her done. I got it all done and I can't really talk about it because I have I have some trauma can't process it any of this. I think we all do. I take the bag and emptied the bag into the washing machine and I turned it on the most like hottest soiled crime crime-scene near the crime scene setting wash. Yeah and I let it run runs for like an hour and a half and put everything in the dryer and when I put everything in the Dryer then I had to clean out the washing machine. Oh really and the washing machine made cleaning out the crack I'm going to be honest. I would have thrown the whole thing away. The washing machine no the the I would have thrown cutting away. And I know that's wasteful full and Blah Blah Blah Blah. I wouldn't have dealt with that. You know what I wasn't. Here's why I didn't realize that Bob because remember when I said I wasn't going to lift that blanket up and I just took the blanket and souped yeah right. I didn't realize what had come out of my child Linda. Blair you're you're not gonNA leave one detail outscored. Excuse me to tell you so someone. Someone asked me Sunday night or Monday morning. How come you're not live tweeting? The Golden Globes. 'CAUSE I'm cleaning out my washer. That no human being ever have to see should've thrown it away. I almost I. I buried it in the backyard when I saw what was going on with the washer debate unplugging down to the curb. She's feeling a lot better now. Good still in a lot. Better good Yeah figure out where she got it. Oh I know so blame can be I know exactly it and I will not say because these people have a business to run. Your morons in the news is next. I love Clorox. I don't have fingerprints because the clorox took them all leaning. It's Bob and Sheri. We've got more on with Bob and Sheri. He's a moron. It's morons morons in the news. Drinking is okay but you can't overdo it because some bad things happen and the stories that I have or all involving drinking this morning in morons in the news we'll start out with a forty six year old woman. Whose name is Cathy Jones from Avondale Arizona? She got a new job at subway and she wanted to celebrate so she had a few SMIRNOFF ices to celebrate and then she said to her boyfriend. Jason Davis celebrate with me and he said I don't feel like celebrating with you so she did what any woman would do. She sprayed him with lighter fluid in through matches to try to set him on fire because he would not drink a smeared off. Uh I've had a smear off ice about his almost aptitude as more on of the day comes through us out of Florida and Florida. Police are saying we need your help. Public be on the lookout for a creep breaks into people's houses with any as a put fetish Twenty year old man was awakened by a stranger three thirty in the morning broken into his home in Bradenton and and when the homeowner said what are you doing the stranger said. I'm here to suck on your toes. Watch the victim. who was home alone began throwing owing punches at the intruder forcing him out of the House and into the yard The suspect fled the area after being punched by the victim but not before he punched out a window to the victim's he's home. Andy punched out the victim's car windshield. Wow that's like incredible hope stuff isn't it sure is hard to punch through a windshield story. The I want you to imagine you're gonNA sound sleep and you open your eyes. A strange man has your spouse. I know and you're thank you. Were expecting the victim to be honest with you. I was that's right. This shows us that. There's no limit to the pervert imagination. Text the word Moron. Two eight eight two six to seven four. Three seven was sent. Today's right to your phone. Evidently there is a new excuse that people are using and here here we go. I would not try this excuse. This happened to two people. A fifty four year old guy named George Emmanuel from Gulfport Florida when he was pulled over for a radic driving said to the officer after glue a two point. One eight and Breathalyzer. I'm not drunk. I'm professional drinker. Oh An and a woman in Omaha. Nebraska also told me that she was a professional drinker when she blew a two point. Five six it did not work for either one of them. They were both arrested. What what is going through your mind? I mean what is a professional drinker. You know what they took a shot. Yeah I guess he took a shy. I'll be dipped here a taster for Jim Beam. Maybe maybe. But you're not in Tennessee. To See Amber and Robert Helm live in wake forest North Carolina and they threw a throat frozen pizza in the oven and there was a weird smell about ten ten minutes later. The really bad smell so Robert went and opened up the oven. What the heck is? There's something burning in here. Well a snake had found its way into the no amber said quote. I am happy about the way that snake died. That's a sad way to go for any live. Those Nice Robert said I put that up on self clean after I pulled that crispy critter out will well done Robert. The incident has left the entire family on edge. Amber says I have two little boys. I'm concerned every time I see a shadow. I'm like freaking out Roberts Roberts said at snake wasn't in there when we cooked our Christmas Ham. which was my favorite parts is still rather eat that that snake that was cooked in there then a red baron? At least you know what's in the state of it spreading the news text. The were more onto eight eight eight two six to seven four three seven. We will send today's right to you. Page Sherry from the Bob and Sheri Show I thank you so much for listening to our podcast. We really appreciate you. You're the reason that we do it. And the reason that we're able to keep doing it and I just want to mention mentioned that if you hear political advertising of any kind any campaign any race any party adjacent to any bob and Sheri Show podcast. Please please know that we did not approve that advertising. We did not accept that advertising we are not compensated for it in fact we have asked every streaming platform platform. There is to exclude our programs from all political messaging. Why because political messaging makes people furious? And we're trying in really hard to have the Bob and Sheri show be a politics free island so please know if you hear it. You're hearing it at our protests. We don't want it. They're trying signed to have it removed. Thank you so much for your patience. Let's get back to the show stuff you will here on this. Show Bob and Sheri podcast on the Bob and Sheri Hat. I think my wife is right. I make my life probably harder than I need to and I know as as I get older. I'm getting a little a little weirder her. I just this is flu season cold season. I don't want cold. Got The flu shot. But it doesn't always work. I do not want the flu and so I'm trying not to shake hands very much at all. And even keep the the wipes in the car you know so I go on to my One of my favorite restaurants and as I walk through the door. We'll have lunch is the owner and he comes. Bob Are you in. He's got his handwrite out. There watching this guy all the time so I'm not gonna I'm GonNa shake his hand so I shake. Hey Great Happy New Year bluff and I go sit down He look he looks clean. You know but you just don't know wrong Dole. How the thank you? He might be spotless. But if he's a hand Shaker exactly so now you know. This restaurant is packed. It's lunchtime so so I get up. I go before he water. I'm going under wash my hands so I walked down other side of the restaurant. It's like an alley and I go to wash my hands. The men's room door's locked. It's a small men's room I'm going should I stand round. Sky could be here awhile. I Dunno go all the way back right I sit down Komo and take my order and I go. I go wash my hands. I'm up again and I'm walking. I'm going by these same. My mom would say well. You're getting your your steps or you got to answering your pants as my mom would say you. Just you look like a strange dude going back and forth and back and four. It's just it's so stressful. I mean this I should just let it go right well. After your third trip I would have said to have. I don't know what he had. But you need to order something definitely the less I. Don't you know what I'm not going to judge you because I don't WanNa touch other human beings or anything other human beings of times I've got I've gotten very good at when I go up to a door handle because it it's it's the the middle of winter right. I can pull a long sleeve shirt. Aw Talk My arms and open it that way. This is why here at the Bob and Sheri Show we've Created our own brand of hand sanitizer. It's called people make me sick right. I'm not kidding that's where we have it. It's literally called people. Make me say this people will make you sick. People think that we're seeing on our website. Right we're going to be Islamic dubbing it away and all this. Yeah because it's a great name. Yeah because people will make you sick. The thing is It's funny that you bring up handshaking some some guy on twitter. Some random twitter dude had tweet. It was not that long ago within the past several days or so that he thinks that that women shouldn't shake hands that it's weird for women to shake hands because handshaking evolved as gesture between two men to show. Oh that the hand that would ordinarily be holding. Your sword was free. Oh Dude you were telling me about Sir Lancelot plot so that you were shaking with your blade hand as a symbol that you came peace and and so it's a very masculine thing and that women shouldn't shake hands. Stop Stop It. I'm looking at this tweet and I'm like Oh my God what I'm in the fourteen hundreds of all the hills. I die on trevor. Like what a stupid one you sit and shake hands because it's gross in Germy. Yeah what are we harkening. Coming back to the Middle Ages know his point is he doesn't want to give you a quality as as a missile. Well his point is but it looking at I meet a woman. Am I supposed to get down on one knee and kiss her hand. My good sir. Present your blade that I may study I eat weep anyway so I was looking at that and people. All were outraged in responding. Don't respond. That's what he's looking for. He wants attention. That's his oxygen right. Keep going but I thought you know wherever the practice this involved from. It's super gross. And we don't need to do it. That's all so when that guy came for you your only choice was to say I'm a hugger. Yeah Yeah but I'm not and so lawyer. Here's what you did to yourself you. You opted to not go auger longer. Here's what I didn't stay. You made like a half a dozen trips to the locked mainstream I would hug Bob. And then every time Bob came back to the restaurant he would announced. Not Everyone Bob and I have to hug half the center ice exactly. Close all of these people and I'm out of work for two weeks. It's just can't go anywhere you need to eat at home do it's bobby. Share Lamar's review sent right to your phone text. Movies eighty five sheriff. I had a lot of time to think over the past couple of days because I was dealing with with food poisoning and I won't go back into any more detail over with that was like but it was horrifying and I've decided I know what America wants. We are a very fractured nation. Right now you know. We're also mad at each other and families are or are divided seemingly like just the most impossible task to knit America back together but I know what America wants and what America wants based on what I saw Sunday night what. I've read every minute of every day since America wants Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston to get together and that is so true and if those two could just reunite it just might save us all you know. I don't I don't want them to because I think it will be driven in mad with all of the publications for the next thirty years. Here's the thing if Brad and Jennifer were to get back together they they could never break-up again. No because all of humanity would be riding on all of humanity if they broke up again after everybody cheering forward and all the magazines Xenos people would track them down. It can never happen and there was all this fuss and to do and I'm sure that If you have like an actual full enrich life. You were unaware that there was all this fuss to do over. Well will they be seated near each other at the Golden Globes Blah Blah Blah. Will they go to the same after party Blah Blah Blah Blah. My favorite. My favorite thing. That Brad Pitt did was when he said when he won for time in Hollywood. He said that he wanted to bring his mom to Golden Globes. But he couldn't because anyone stands next to the tabloid says he's dating and that would be awkward. You know as he gets older he's getting a much better sharper sense of humor but I wrote himself. I really do think and especially just in the past twenty four hours That's what I'm saying. I think. That's what American needs is for Brad and Jen to get back. It's already all over the tabloids. When you check out from the supermarket they've got stocked pictures? They're putting together the two of them them smiling. Because this is the place where people's minds are right now you know what though. I'm such a romantic at heart that I could see them getting back together. And there are lots and lots of instances in regular life. People that are not famous where you are married to someone someone and it doesn't work out then years later you reconnect. We've had listeners. That has happened to. We've known people in our personal lives that that's happened happened to. I think that in country music that happens all the time like I'm trying to remember what I saw in the Ken Burns Documentary or George Jones. And Tammy Tammy Wynette constantly like the Brad and Jen of the day in country music will I mean. He had a drinking problem so they had a lot of drama. GOING ON I. Could you see them getting back. I can see those two getting back together. Can you in all seriousness. Can you see it a little bit. We take you now to the Makeup Room at the national enquirer. Okay everybody here's what we're looking for of photographic wise get me the most pissed off pictures you can of Angelina. Jolie we're GONNA nate. We're GONNA need a lot of them. I want tight shots of her looking like she wants to kill someone or herself. Listen all you need to do to get that is go to Melissa sent and get screened shot. That's all you have to do. You're right I I've given this a lot of thought and I really think that part of the part of the reason that that storyline reline that Brat. We'll Brad and Django back together because I think that as a pop from a pop culture standpoint we are a nation that is desperate for happy happy ending. Yeah it's true and I don't think people ever Really liked the idea of his leaving her for Angelina Jolie as nice person as Angelina is with all of the children that she's adopted and all of the work that she's done for humanity and she's done a lot. I think people were really disappointed. Landed in him. We'll see was the archetypal other woman that you cannot compete with. She was she was Jolie and she was so lean. And and Jennifer Aniston was the beautiful girl next door who had the kind of beauty and approachability that seemed like regular mere mortals Ordos could achieve it and of course Brad Pitt his Brad Pitt. It was like Betty and Veronica. Yeah no betty the the the the girl you marry the sweetheart art in high school and Veronica the temptress with dark hair and here. We are So I really do think that if if we could have just that at little ray of happy news we might relate. He'll nation remind me to do more archie. You know I can't I can't wait for Mister Weatherbee. Commend there's a jug head metaphor Max given time let it breathe all right. The People's movie we critic this week on Friday is going to review the new Adam Sandler movie uncut gems. I've seen it had been anybody else in this. Say What you want out of Sandler is amazing in this. Yeah like you'll have more on cut gyms Khalil he plays jeweler in Manhattan. It refers literally to an UNCUT BLACK OPAL. You'll have moments in this movie whether you like like it or don't like it where you'll go. I cannot even believe how great Adam Sandler is. This movie will good for him. So that's what the People's movie critic is GonNa Review Friday on uncut gems. We'll see what he thinks about it. Because he can't Lamar's ars review sent right to your phone tax movies you eight five. Share an art in the spirit of positivity which is something we're trying to do for twenty twenty While all we while we wait and light prayer candles for Brad and Jen to get back together and unite a fractured nation. I have I have a handful of things that we look forward to this year. Right now. Some of them depending on you know how you're wired. You might not care about but we are going to have summer Olympics this year in Tokyo the Two Thousand Twenty Summer Games Games does anybody care about the summer Olympics. You know there are five new sports. Summer karate. Okay skateboarding skateboarding Baseball slash softball right. which is surprising that that's not already an Olympic are those? Are Those two baseball slash softball off ball. I guess that's considered one. Oh five new sports. I don't know how they do that. They're two different games. Sports Climbing and surfing is going to be an Olympic snower hitting skateboarding boarding. I normally I would say well. That's not really I've seen these guys. He's just the most amazing things on skateboards. I think it should be a sport. Call them whatever. If snowboarding is a sport is right now. skateboarding right We're going to have the next wonder woman movie there you go into The March Twenty Twenty rover is going to join the a curiosity. We're going to have another Mars mission. That's something I think. There's there's three more coming up in the twenty S. Yeah Missions Yes yes one. We'll have the rover mission this year. they'll Washington monuments going to reopen. Oh that's good that's something that's right. the Yahoo Time Capsule now. You won't remember this. I remember we talked about it back. in two thousand six the Yahoo asked people to submit ideas for what should go into their digital time capsule and so the general public submitted submitted ideas and Yahoo picked a bunch of them and they sealed it all up and they're celebrating their twenty fifth year in twenty twenty so they're going to open that toddler clearly. I think it's a little early so yeah I think so doesn't two thousand six seemed like wasn't that long ago it does. I mean it's still twenty five years but nonetheless when I think of a time capsule I'm looking at something that's at least fifty seventy five years ago. That was. That's where you go. Wow that would be really really believe that. Let's see we're going to have the hundredth anniversary of the end of World War One. We're GONNA have the five hundredth anniversary of Magellan's journey and the two two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of Beethoven being born. That's a lot didn't were wore one end in one thousand nine hundred eighteen. All I know is that on January tenth which is in three days as we're GONNA have the treaty was signed one hundredth anniversary of it and And they're going to be some other new cool things like okay. Hey if you're a hunger games fan the Prequel the book the Susan Collins Prequel to the hunger games explaining how we got to the district's and and a- all of that and the capital. That's GONNA come out so there you go. That's something positive and cheerful to feel good about. Could I add to this Yak back because I have this right in front of my news about making this up. I'm I'm reading. This Sharman has created a new robot that will bring you a roll of toilet toilet paper when you need it most. So it's like a room by with toilet paper. Yeah it'll bring you you just call for it you say I desperately need toilet paper and it delivers it right to your bathroom door. Now let me say this Fella's If you just WANNA stop having any kind of a romantic doc relationship with your wife go ahead and buy this. Because there's not a woman on the face of the earth of wants to hear the guy that she's sleeping with saying Sharman Junior. Bring me a role. Hurry that is. That is the end of your romantic life period toilet paper robot. Remember when we were talking to was just yesterday I think about how like we thought the twenty twenty would be much more exciting but that I always get worried about the toilet paper roll that let let me just say this that. I'm reading the pioneers this book. By David McCall up and it's it's terrific and it's about what people from New England did when they went to settle the Ohio area and it was rough. I mean the Wilderness was the wilderness. Somebody got at like some sort of a horrible disease at went through the camp and this guy writes back to his wife. Well I've been sequestered in a cabin. There's ten of us who all key club. Whatever this disease was? We have to write it out. The cabin is nine feet long and seven feet wide. And Forget. There's there's no internet there's no TV. There's no radio no indoor plumbing finding. There's no nothing or not nine by seven for weeks. Maybe the months and he says his wife at the end of it all in all. I'm I'm very comfortable. Here is a man who couldn't envision his his descendants summoning toilet paper robot jarman junior quickly of sharable of this show fun size podcast drops every Thursday under three. Okay time now for the Bob and Sheri Small Plates Segment Agnete where we see. What's going on around the world around the country and just a little brief notes? Let's study has found that having plant on your desk in the office helps reduce your stress for the entire day. I believe that you know what I mean. I think that's probably true. Just make it softens the area right. Yeah Yeah Burger. King Employee in Memphis pulled a gun and a customer who is complaining about her order. Once in a while you just meet somebody that needs a new GIG. You buy that when you're just had enough that when it hit the news while some people shouldn't work with the public there you go there you go right there. A woman. Missouri fell asleep while she was testing. Mattresses at a mattress store and she wound up spending the night at the store. How did they miss her? I that's what I was asking. I wonder if the manager still has his job. Have you ever gone to a mattress store though and you get online and it's just so comfortable it's like like you're like goldilocks. This bed is just right and she just fell. Asleep is probably like it o'clock at night and they all right. Let's close you know what though it was in the states in the back corner of the store now that could happen. Wouldn't you're the manager and just do walk through just to see for the first six months on the job. At what point did she wake up and call nine one one. It doesn't say but she was there all night long. I really so jealous. I'm in my own. The House Fall Asleep. She's in a mall somewhere. You know. That's a very good question. That's why did she buy it. They should give it to the publicity cops at Florida went to a house. They heard someone inside screaming. Neighbors called this. There's somebody in there screaming parrot parrot. You yeah you know if you're a cop that's a good day. Yeah you know what I mean you go in you. Don't somebody screaming. Anything could be going on. They could have a gun right and it was a guy in Canada. Got A six dollar bottle of barbecue sauce. As his Christmas bonus from work he went on twitter and he complained about it and the next day they fired him you know. I'm glad he doesn't work for them who you don't want to work for a company like that now would fire stop it. You Hall is announced announced that is GonNa Stop Smokers in twenty one states now. Why because of the cost too much housing health insurance? You allowed to complain. Join that that was. I was wondering how to discriminate. I think can I think you can. It'd be hard. I guess they could test for it right. I guess you you ask and certainly at least ads I mean. Are you allowed to do that. I think that you are if you own your own business for health reasons so so you all would qualify and also I guess they just don't want people taking smoke breaks. I know but anyway twenty one states. That's a lot. These next two stories are about Dr Pepper and they're so weird that I'm just going to bunch them together here. A guy in Louisiana pulled a gun on his nine year old for drinking the last can of Dr Pepper in the House. I don't like anything that much that I would pick on on any. Yeah that's right and finally a man in Arkansas was arrested for breaking into his ex wife's house and the only thing that he did steal a can of Dr Pepper. I like Dr Pepper. Do like sweet. Yeah I'm for Word Rican into the ex wife's house but not enough to go to jail for it and we would try to take the dog. Wouldn't it just be worthwhile. Oh Wow and by the doctor break. Into someone's house was appointed contention between the two. Somehow he was proven point. I'd I got the Dr Pepper or she didn't want him to have that like that. You might be ready for cold and Flu Season Bergner kids infants and young children have a good chance of getting the flu check for fevers with the temporal scanner. Here's cherry this is really cool. We got a DM on on facebook from one of our listeners. who was like? Hey Bob and Sheri just thought I'd mentioned that my husband Robert is in two movies. That are out right now. And sure enough Robert. Sergeant is playing Luna the Vikings Juergen. Or you're gonNA Jumanji the next level and he's in Richard Jewel and he's on the line with us right here. Hey Robert Welcome to the show. Hello hey how's it going. Good how are you doing doing well yet. Your wife damnedest and said you should look for my husband. He plays a bed. He plays a big scary bad. Bad Guy in Jumanji. Tell us about that. It's been floating around quite often During my career that's going around so Yeah and their most. The recent Jumanji Doing Johnson Kevin Hart Jack Black Karen Gillian and So it was a great interesting fact. I I work with a couple of agencies agency's down in the Atlanta area As I pursue my acting career Kinda get going so Yeah it was a big You know when I got that Ah Course after all addition for everything that we do in in the business and make sure you're on the right people but Yeah it was a great experience Very powerful if you're asking me to be working with one of the bigger bigger you know one of the biggest actors and actors. Yeah that's really something. Did you interact with any of the people you just mentioned where they were. All of them are what was your. Who Do you get that question a lot? And it's kind of ironic. 'cause I'm getting ready to work another Dwayne Johnson film that of course I can't disclose the unique contracts But that question a lot you know how did you do you shake his hand. And ironically a lot of people think that but you know they got their job and I got my job You do get to interact with them to a certain degree You know like the hello. Hey how's it going couple times you'll you'll show cancer whatnot but Depending on the scene. Sometimes you're with them 'cause the way people think movies are shot. They're actually not shot in a way that most people would think they're actually shot backwards so you know they'll be produced from You know the end of the movie to the beginning shot backwards but the interaction that we have with them depending on the roll Like sometimes the ACE's Bar which I don't know many people if they knew that from the movie That was probably the most I was actually in the room with Wayne Johnson. I'm just literally within. Maybe a little bit more with arm arm went through each. I guess you might say So that was a pretty good experience experience but I would say Kevin Hart He was probably the most. Of course everybody knows Kevin Hart being the Funny Guy He was probably the most intriguing He always brought his family to set so speak. So you got to kind of see his right side so very funny guy. Yeah yeah he is. So what's the process like for you because I was looking at your. Did you know that it was shot backwards. I didn't know movies were shot out of sequence. I knew that but the idea that the ending would would come before anything's really. Yes I mean. Of course. Depending on directors producers say also depends on the market whether it be something unlike Columbia pictures versus the Sony or it'd be like Disney Of course they all have their way of doing it and they're not a lot of them are shot backwards but like you said out of sequence to make to make sense of that one that I currently worked on that I see that comes out in two twenty twenty one which I can't disclose to contract That one is shot all over the place. So it's really cool to be a part of something that It it's kind of mind blowing as I continue. I learn more and more with with each movie that I'm doing of how things are filmed experience of them. RIDESHARE so Robert. What is Like what's your audition process like. Because I was looking at your at your resume. Resume basically and some of the things that you've played like you're one of the bomb squad. Fbi Do's and Richard Jewel and you're a bad guy and Gemina Are you are are daylight. You know like get Robert Sergeant type. What is how does that work for you? Okay so for me specifically You know in I would be honest with people and tell them that the acting business is probably one of the most discriminatory Businesses there are Certain height certain hair-color voice tone. I hi Color Height Body weight etc.. Not Everybody fits the part. That's really the main thing as you're coming up is fitting the part of a certain thing but with with my size You know I basically stayed during the two sixty two seventy range very muscular bill You know kind of I guess they want to say that the Alpha look that may so so. I get a lot of my roles that I get air like cop roles bodybuilder roles tough-guy roles. What you what you really want to be an antique dealer unscreened right so so you know going in that you're expected they're looking for a certain kind of a look or a guy and that you you have to embody that and if you don't take it personally it's just the business? Yeah that's basically it so I've even actual distance for roles that I fit perfectly No unfortunately I I didn't get chosen I've done many auditions for TV series I see the role. I just don't have the voice tone or maybe I'm just Right my I was out right or maybe just to Caucasian and they need a little bit of a you know a White Hispanic makes it could be a number number of things is how this works. So that's like the you hear all the time that if you WANNA be in that line of work you have to be able to take rejection and so much of it is not personal and that's what you're talking about. It's just like like Marietta and sometimes your own set You can be on said Director. Say Well you know there might be a certain amount of people but the director lonely. This guy which you know in in some of the movies that I've actually been a part of our? I'm still continuing to shoot You know there is a big part of rejection that you know in in like my wife had probably mentioned That people are finding out. Is I literally Bull Dr. I'm GONNA six hours for an audition. I pay my own gas. Ask My own my own. AIRBNB Day to audition for ten minutes in front of a director producer. You should get into radio. It's very similar humane ninety. Get Well Robert and I can't wait to see. I'm going to go see Richard Jewel this week. I can't wait a minute. Be Looking for you your thank you Robert Continuing success the FBI bomb squad so so Their spot you Richard Sergeant would love to hear from you too at eight. Eight eight B. O.. B. S. H. E. R.. I The free Bob and Sheri ask instantly get the podcast the on gas and Bob and Sheri Fun size. It's interesting to think about what Our last our last guest are listened to richer was telling us he's an actor later and he gets cast in a lot of tough guy roles you know he. He keeps his wait. What did he say between two cities? He's real ripped and everything and and and you see that in. TV shows and movies all the time. They're you know they're certainly character types. Select who would you be if you were going to go for that sort of of character. Who would you be maximum time? Who would who'll yeah like if you said yourself? I want to be in movies like Robert Wright right. I'm sins when and they need this sort of. I think I'm just going to be honest here. I think Personal trainer for Hollywood actresses. I didn't WANNA WANNA say because you're so modest you would have said. Oh no no no. Obviously that wouldn't be. But I'll be honest if my wife is a like you as a psychologist than she works with a group and most of the other psychologists in this one little group are women. But there's always one guy who's the one guy with four women and they all have their separate practices but they share office space. I would be the one guy with a psychology practice surrounded surrounded by women. I think you would also make like a friendly neighbor which is acting. Because that's really acting and I have no experience. That's where I lived really have to take I. Would I think you how about you Max. Who Do you think you be? I know in the past you've played sort of a menacing. Being do have played. Well I I did play a guy who was spousal abuser and then I was I I was abusing my children on another thing that they had. No you playing scary there for a while. But then I've done really goofy stuff too so I mean I It's always interesting because you go in and you don't know exactly what it is that you're look they're looking for and they they can tell you my favorite audition I ever went on was a bunch bunch of guys like me and a bunch of twentysomething girls and they were together in the commercial and I ended up getting the part actually and you. You should have seen all the guys that were out there in the lobby area with the women and the role kind of sucking in their guts. Trying to act cool you know why were there so many young women and so what they did is it was for a weed. Wacker right road. Demonstration was you had the guy who didn't know what he was doing was frustrated. which was me having suburban data and then you had some woman twenty s who is using the device? They were selling the greatest of ease. That's smart advertising. He were hapless suburban urban. Dad's right I think I could also be the priest that goes to the gangs dying gangsters hospital room. I don't think you feel you look like a prese. Oh I take I could. Yeah I think I think there's always like you know not the main priest but the the secondary priests of Church beat a secondary Greece. You say that I. I can't look like a holy man. Is that what you're saying. Yeah saying I can't I read it once and then you read it again. I can't believe this is Bob and cherries believed the and so who do you think is a better liar men or women. There's a better liar not different way. Do you think thinks thinks they're a better liar. I think men think they're a better liar but women actually are Not from experience because God knows my experience agreeance with all the women in my life has been nothing but smoke but I think they're more verbal is the gender that thinks they're better liar actually the better liar. Well all men are actually twice as likely as women to consider themselves really good at lying. That's what I just said. Yeah men really believes the better liar. Actually the best liars. It's not really Based on gender the best liars or people. That are good talkers. And people who really excel at lying are are not just good talkers but they tell way more lies than other people daylight of their family friends romantic partners and colleagues in that order expert expert liars prefer to lie to your face versus via text message. But it's people but it's people who are good verbally. Good talkers. There's there's a significant link Between belief in expertise at lying and gender. That's why men think that there's so much better at hip. Most people tell one to two lies per day but not but that's on average. A lot of people don't lie every single day But the avid breaks out to one to two and a lot of those lies are are socialized thing that was delicious. You know because you don't want to hurt people's that include lying to yourself. Yeah but but only if you know you're lying to yourself you know there are people lie to themselves and don't realize they're doing that. How can you do do that? How could you just not aware? Haven't you had experiences in your life where you you suddenly realize that you had been telling yourself ally to stay in a situation or two. Yeah but it wasn't a lie was just the perceived Z.. Voss situation that I that I was talking about nearly half of every lie. That's told is actually told by a a very small number of people and these people lie. They're prolific liars. They lie even when they don't need to lie. They lie because they're good at lying and they like to lie. Liars Lie Liars Lie and the best lying liars. Who Li- We've there lies into truths so that it's so so hard to figure out what part is true and what part is ally. I'll tell you what if you've got one of them in a relationship. Oh Hon good luck to you. And that's the worst start you start. Anal- analyzing yourself and saying am am I the one who's wrong here because they're so posits a kind gas lighting gas lighting. And here's the thing we all think we're good at reading people or whatever we have a fifty fifty average person has is a fifty fifty chance of knowing when something's ally that's not very good at all no that's not I mean that's a coin toss are more intelligent people more likely to be better liars. Is that right. See that surprises me. There it's all about being 'cause there's if if you're well I mean if you're a good talker you're probably not stupid you can be brilliant and be Shy or introverted. And Not really a great talker and you can also have You know not evil in your heart and and But that doesn't when you're not smart. I think I think being smart be part of it. Well I mean if we use the forest gump example forest. Didn't seem to have an dishonest bone. Boone his fictional body but We know people that there's like we know one person in particular who's very smart and and very nuts an unbelievable liar. So there's definitely some connection there. But what is he most of all a great talker He's so busy talking The by the time you finish processing the crazy thing he said he said three other crazy things that you need to give your attention to So anyway the most common types of lies are a white lies exaggeration. Hiding Information and burry ing your ally in a flood of things that are true And almost true. I'm very pro white lies. I don't just something into smooth whatever. The situation is Greece it so that we don't get into an ICKY confrontation. There are things that you don't need to be the honest about right and there are people ob- sorry I'm just honest. Your baby's ugly. That was unnecessary right. You could have chosen to say nothing right. Since you're an honest person known asking you to lie just say anything but yeah I agree. There are times when you should say that was fun. That was delicious leashes. That baby is precious right. Your dog is sweet. The withholding of information is Is a terrible. That's the sin of that's an actual sin sin of omission. Yeah but it's I mean it's a form of line. Yeah well you're withholding. Yeah you're not you're not giving the information another accurate but man believe they are not just a little bit better than women at lying. They believe they're twice as good at lying. I think that's that's part of being male twice. Yeah exactly it's just I. I think that's wonderful. That's so nice for are you. You are twice as good as you. Why the affair? PODCAST has to Bob and Sheri odd cast download on the free Bob and Sheri at website. Or wherever you get your podcast Jerry Marian on the road a little bit for a few days around the Christmas holiday but before we left. I went and bought myself a couple of Christmas gifts that I wanted. What did you get? I got because Mary got this water bottle I was telling you about that has a A Little Lid the Lark the Lark and it cleans the inside electronically it has a UV. Light right I saw and it's fantastic so I ordered that for myself because I loved her so much you could put ice on. This is not a commercial. We don't do their as you fill up a cold water. She put a little bit of ice in it and over a day later it was delicious and cold. And you don't have to do anything to it. You don't have to worry about his dishwasher safe or anything you just put light thing on and And it's clean and the whole thing runs like you can. It's you exit in. Charge your phone. No those are the coolest I did that and and I also went out to the best buy and bought myself a fire stick for my TV. And did we figure out how to use it. Yes we did did gain. We did not use the Geek Guy. Todd said don't get to get your guy wasn't that simple you plug and play. Yeah well there's an extension that That made it a little more complicated but I figured out that the extension needed to be worked with my situation. My House the Electronics in my house the place was wired by drunken monkeys. So I mean it's just nuts I can't have any on demand because the supplier of the of the TV shows has to have the whole house talking to each other with Wifi. My House won't do that so anyway. I figured it out. I watched two seasons of the marvelous. Mrs Mazel Look at Yale. Which I love? Have you seen that. Do you watch Mazel. Let yes I love her I I just love her. The Guy Plays Lenny. Bruce's faint the fire stick remote Alexa enable could you just yes it is yes it is but it was working great and then the Mrs came down and started with and then it went haith haywire. And I couldn't get it back to were. I wanted it. She just was doing it like the way that she wanted to do it with Netflix. Whereas whereas I had it set up just the way that I understood it right so supposedly Hampton when I was away fixed it and I have not up into it since so all sewing to it today? All she did was. She used the remote to change from Amazon to net flix. And you could press none of the no there was no she did something else. I know what you have a fire stick. I J- I just. I told her I just want to put the button on and say get net flicks there it is and then slide to the right which episode I want and Bang and something something got screwed up disabled disabled the voice. I don't know what the terrible happen. But anyway I think cam to went and fixed it but I said it a look at you. You plugged in Meyer Stick Dick. It's a new. I know what you just did. I know what you just did that. I don't think I'm going to let it slide either. You just you know what you. Dan lessened lessened me. You lessons me look at you. You a plugged in the fires more than that you plug today and you made were and I made the extension to it which was needed and you did all that by yourself all by myself. You did IT S- right. I heard that too. I think everyone owes you an apology around. Thanks he's going to be in the kitchen making some shake and Bake El. We tell you what Max might not have made a noise. I can see his face from aurum. Setting the screen was doing. He was very excited for you was why would I figured he's very happy Mazel. I'm coming for you just wild season free to quit his fire stick. That sounds almost dirty myspace. Space fighters does I love that. It's one of my favorite series of all time in. Isn't it great to be able to just say it and the remote I I know. Here's does I didn't believe when it first happened. I do not believe it and yeah no fine cars but we do have some core in twenty seven. Hey it's Sherry from the Bobbins Sherry show. I thank you so much for listening to our podcast. We really appreciate you. You're you're the reason that we do it and the reason that we're able to keep doing it and I just want to mention that if you hear political advertising of any kind any campaign any race any party already adjacent to any bob and Sheri Show podcast. Please know that we did not approve that advertising. We did not accept that advertising we are not compensated Saito for it in fact we have asked every streaming platform. There is to exclude our programs from all political messaging. Why Way because political messaging makes people furious? And we're trying really hard to have the Bob and Sheri show be a politics free island so please know if you here it. You're hearing it at our protest. We don't want it. They're trying to have it removed. Thank you so much for your patients. Let's get back to the show. You might be ready for cold and flu season. Are Your kids. Infants and young children have a good chance of getting the flu check for fevers with the temporal scanner. Here's Bob and Sheri. This is the time of the year went a a lot of folks make a job move. You know they say I just hate what I do so they start looking ahead and then they pull the trigger in January and off they go due to a to a new job or at least the job interview from the New York Post. These are five things that can give you a very bad You we'll give a very bad impression first impression to the job interview. Okay so don't do any of these things number. One you forget the interviewers name so as soon as you sit down and the guy's name is Claude and you say we'll Charles No doubt I think you're done you're done don't don't you think your sleep. Its first sales job. Exactly exactly you show late for the interview. You're dying you when if you're going to an interview at a new job job there's early and then there's late if you're on time you're late you gotTA show up early. That's what they're looking for number three. You forgot to show up at all for the interview. You're really if if you're the person doing the interview and this guy's a no show because I don't know he forgot and then he calls the next day. Do you give him another shot. Same on each h do you give them another shot. No I mean I want to would depend on. What the reason was I? Suppose but in in in our hyper connected world you don't call. Yeah that's right I know you know. Send an email go Number four forgot the company's name. I am really looking forward to working for Amazon. This is the pickle Meyer. Grocery chains rarely looking forward to work for the pickle. My her grocery chain. You gotta be aware and forgot what the company did so. I like sports a lot and I play a lot of video games. this is a medical device corporation. We Market Medical Colt devices. I don't think you're going to fit it so anyway. Heads up I haven't been on a job interview. I can't remember the last one I went on on. I just don't know what I would do on a job interview now yes you would. Let's say you were interviewing for something in broadcasting right. I hit the road because I want to drive Dr Route Sixty six and a corvette and I said I can't take it anymore Sherry and so you're on your own you would go in and and maybe you'd be applied for a job in New York or something you'd kill it. I am good on your feet. I can't bear to be asked questions. Like where do you see yourself in five years. They hate those questions. If you were any tree what would it be I C. I can't I can't abide those questions. I had somebody in radio wants a new program director was brought in. This is Years Ago I think you and I were still together other and he asked that question. Where do you see yourself in five years talking to different program director? Because that's how this is going to go for you. Chief lets you are Jason. Yeah I said I see myself right here with my audience. Yeah that's where I WANNA be. That's where I'm going to end. That's where I am. That's like like you know it's hard to be a radio program director It just is because that is not A. There's not a lot of job security. MD radio program you have to deal with personalities holidays like us in an industry where you know. There's a lot there's always a lot of dynamic change right right I'm trying to think like I don't mind being like when they ask. What do you see as your greatest weakness? That is a question. I've got no problem with. Well I dislike conflict so all avoid it as much as possible. See that's not oughta gradient through that. It's not a good answer. That's not a good way to be. No I I understand that and they will to. Here's another What's my greatest weakness? not great at delegating. I just do it myself because I get it on the surface. It sounds good. It's not as you're you're ready to take on anything but it's actually not on the surface visit. Sounds like here's a low drama peaceful person who's GonNa work herself half to death but it's not those are not good character traits. Boy they asked me you know. What do you consider your weakness? What's your greatest weakness You got all day. I don't know if I have a greatest. I have weaknesses Tell me popular job interview question. Tell me about a difficult situation that you found yourself in at work and how you transformed it. Okay well They hired a psychopath to be the manager. And I teamed up with someone else and went to HR gun fired. I just made a note on your folder. This one is trouble. That's right yeah I know I know but mostly you know interview interviewing well as skill the skill. I have no practice at it. I mean I come in here with view people talk and I talked to the audience and everything the best thing I ever did get in trouble doing this. Bob And I never had. We've never worked with an agent so we've always managed our own careers. I think you can see how blindingly well that's gone for US early early on you know this like twelve. This is my first job in radio and I had to go into this very tense and difficult negotiation with actual skilled trained experienced adults. Twenty years thirty years years older than I was so I read a couple of books and one of them said just be silent and forced the other person to talk. I when you're a radio personality it's hard. You're sitting there in complete silence. It's hard for everyone. It's hard for you and it's hard for them to believe what's happening. Oh I had a manager. Yeah Yeah I had a manager once say. They hired me for radio job and he said he said to me. You did pretty good at that interview. I actually I guess I was interviewing and he said if I'm interviewing for somebody who's an entertainer on the radio and I'm not laughing within five minutes I don't yeah it's it's not happening. That's right well if you're interviewing try to show up on the actual data time of the interview as a first step and know the name of the company. It's Bob and Sheri use the talk back to back each on the Free Auburn Sherry APP and leave us a message. So we're we're just talking about how to make a great Bad impression at a job interview view and how to avoid that. Got Me to thinking while we were in the song so One of my kids. You teach your kids to be truthful and you want them to be honest and an absolutely above board and then they apply for a job and they bring you the job application which is now. Wow on-line so they bring you as their laptop and you look at their answers and the answers are true but they're the kind of answers the where you're never going to get hired and then you have to find a way to explain to your kid. I need you to be honest but we need to package that honesty. In as appealing a box doc says we possibly can drew me ally one of Jai Alai. No I don't want you to like honey but you see where you answer this question. I don't really like people and so I'd rather not work at the cash register if I'm hiring a part time worker retail business and right there on the application says I really don't like people give you an interview much less on a side aside. No have you ever known anybody who who has just outright said. I don't like people I have a friend of mine's wife does not have any friends she. It's it's it's him and her pretty much he's got some friends But he spends most of his time with her and she doesn't have any friends and we were talking about that once and he said let's call her I Dunno betty. Betty does not like people that is such a strange range thing to be. Some people. People are everywhere. You couldn't find anybody that you felt engaged with. Maybe so you're not close. Maybe it's just the person who makes the grinder at your pizza place but you see them every week or two. It's a hard life like if you could choose. You would come into this. World World Not Liking Croutons right exists easy to avoid exactly. Get the heck away from that Salad Bar Ruby Tuesday but you don't like peop- and it wasn't wasn't like she just for a week didn't like people because somebody I dunno gave her the shaft they. They'd lost her clothes at the dry cleaner or whatever it is just this is the way she feels. You have to teach your kids how to be if they're not natural politicians and some kids are. We've all known that kid. We had an intern here. That kit it was a politician If your kids aren't that way you have to teach them how to be political. You tell the truth but you don't don't put on the application for the retail job like people never going to get hired. So how'd you handle that with them. She was like I don't really she got the job. There she did and it turns out she's great with people she's great with people. So is there another way to say I don't like paypal so maybe on the application when it says what part of this business are you interested in. I'd love to be behind the scenes. Learning earning everything there is to learn about Blah Blah. Yeah I'd like to be in the creative department. Yeah I'd like to really make the product if it's a restaurant I'd like to work in the kitchen. Not as a hostess right. 'cause I don't like so and that's the first the first time you have have to teach your kids how to be political. Isn't it's a weird off. What is it is? Have you ever walked into since you're bringing up restaurants. Let's have you ever walked into a restaurant and there's host. She does not like not like people pick my God. How many exactly exactly you have resumes? Well no but I see a lot of open tables I roll I roll. I roll right. They get hired. Sometimes you know why because they didn't put not like people that's exactly why they got hired. Yes or no be honest to say it just said not too the honest sugar on yeah showbiz up a little bit Sabih sugar out there like a cookie able. Aw sharable tasted this show the fun size podcast drops every Thursday on the three bodies. Well we are in the twenties. We are in the twenties right now and because of that of newspapers and magazines have looked back on what they call. Call the tens. I never heard anybody say the tens. But that's what they've been doing and there were evidently a ton of dating terms what's that were originated during the tens. The New York Post put together the five dating terms. That probably were the most successful. So if you are a a single person are you doing any of these things and of course I have missed out on all to what I missed out on friends with benefits. Budi calling in call me. I've missed all these very throttles. That is corrupt is a poly-amorous relief. Oh Okay Yeah. I don't want any of that. That's that's double the real estate about it. That's why I don't WanNa do that. It's not just that that's double the a lot of stuff you know what I'm Bob Casey. Wait I love my wife but I don't WanNa twin sister Bob would be a threat. It would be double the real estate double the gifts double the chores. Double The instruction double the nagging double the open but strangely yeah the physical intimacy promised doubled. Halved yeah I know that's exactly two of them will be staying up all night watching movies together and giggling right you know what would drive me crazy in. That situation would be trying to sell them on where I wanNA go for vacation. It's hard enough with one. Zero them teamed up against two they would team up or even if they didn't team up to get the two of them to agree to go to some quirky island with a lighthouse us for the third summer in a row. What's the likelihood of that I have found that I can caught a woman? Two three years tops took exactly where I want to go after that they find a way to say. So you think you could work with two of them and you but you are right then when I leave they will talk. Oh Geez how did we both get get a guy that wants to do the same thing over and over this is what else would happen. Bothered his throttle. He would walk into the House and he would hear them talking and laughing in the kitchen and he would say I'm I'm home and everything would go silent. And he would know they think about and I would either that or the wet blanket is here. Yeah I kill joy. Soon as they're laughing there giggling to you know women laugh and Giggle a lot more than men do. I have found you know and then I I am here. That would make me feel bad. This and for so many other reasons is why you're not sued for two Hu ago. Why did you drive this way? Why why did you don't you know it's isn't it quicker? They'll turn to each other is did it quicker. Just go that way. Yeah that's what I think. And then after years if they stuck it out. I'm in the backseat. That guy. The two women are in the upper back seat in the back. Seat is there Zak's expellees again conversation. Stops they look at each other. That would be horrifying and that see see. That's the thing that you miss out on. Yeah Yeah what's the appeal. I'll get that. Well I mean the appeal is what I would not beginning. No you would not be so I'll just run this down Swiping left and right tender started that in in two thousand twelve still going on catfish. Catfish documentary came out and gave us the term to describe people pretending to be someone else online were those guys in the catfish. TV show the same guys that did the movie those two guys. I don't know if they're brothers are not you. Don't think so ghost. Thank everyone knows it goes thing is sliding into DM's to slide into a DM on urban dictionary is from two thousand fourteen and it's a perfect perfect way to describe how people start privately chatting with someone on social media sliding into DM's and finally net net Flix WCHS and chill. This term exploded in two thousand fifteen at a moderate way to update the booty call. So you call and say hey. Why don't you come over and an will netflix and chill? Everyone knows what that means. I did not until I read it in the post I had no idea but of course not out there in A. It's not my fault volt won't be wrong if I say I would like to Netflix and chill. I just can't figure out how to get Netflix. Put My that would be a problem and I'm not chill because it drives me out of in my mind. I used to get it but then somebody came in it was probably Hampton and put a game on there and I can't find it anymore. Come back come come back doc or I would I would call to grow up. I'm sick culpa girl. You WanNa come over and Netflix and chill. And she comes over. And I actually watched net flicks flicks the Irishman three hours awesome amazing violent violent. I think you'll like it a lot. You know you're living exactly God meant for you you were born to be wasn't A wild man gets a lot of action. You weren't born to be the king of a throw a ball right. You just weren't in the back seat it's Bob and Sheri the three bobbins Jerry instantly get the podcast. The BOB and Sheri on size cooking magazine has website. I was looking at the other day and they have released. Because we're we're into the twenties now the Trendy foods for the forthcoming year. And here we go. I have heard about or know about a half of these. So so you're going to have to explain because you know you know you. You seem to always know about a huge fan of new things. Can you just own that Is that a sin that I just like what I like. No but additional things. That's why you don't know about stuff you don't okay. Squid the INC.. That's been around forever. You've never had skinning pasta. I don't think so I've seen it but it just doesn't doesn't why is it so good it's delicious what is it tasteless has a. It has a little richer taste. Yeah Pasta it's actually the black ink from a squid. Yeah Yeah Yeah Ed skill. I don't yeah. I don't think I'm eating that I've was on. I had it was some sort of a like well early sauce with like Cambridge on it. It was really good. I might I try that. I might try that. It's pasta but of course I have to eat it by myself or with you. 'cause it's empty calories. Next time we're on the road we'll try to find that. Okay a star fruit. I have no idea what that is. It is a is a yellow fruit. That when you cut it into slices they're shaped like stars and it's it's firm and a little bit tart. It's delicious. So is it like a peach now. It's more an apple. No it's Spina Kiwi Kiwi. Okay it's like a Kiwi in texture. Mr Okay Yeah do you like I knew I love the way when you hold them in your hands. It's like a hairy little dinosaur egg. I love the way I love everything about. That's where you went to taste. And I just love glad you went. Well they look like yeah Collagen C. O. L. A. G.. And when you're like in your face like in bone broth yeah sir. Bone Broth is chock full of Natural College in Rome. Brought his number ten on this list by the way okay. So what is the Collagen I mean. Does it help your complexion. That's the hope. I guess that eating Collagen helps your college out is it just just come from bone broth or do you say. Where's your Collagen? So but I think it's an animal product out. Is there any such thing tied as plant. Collagen all right An Asian mushroom called a Reshi R. E. I S. H. I.. Rishi have you ever heard of that I. I like mushrooms names but I've never had that the Kito Diet foods what would be an example cater diet foods. Clear Kito meet right. He don't put supposed to put you into Ketosis. Toasts were burning fat. So I think there's no sugar no car. Yeah Brussel sprouts. I mean they. They've become like a thing. Nobody opening ate Brussel sprouts. When I was a kid no one twelve to fifteen years ago? Brussel sprouts were a hard sell for people. Yeah Mary makes them. Great puts a little olive oil some salt and pepper and she cabbages like cabbage for an American girl doll. Yeah yeah I eat them. I'm not crazy about awesome. Pharaoh which is a whole grain is a travel had fair who McCain restaurant Orissa Orissa a chili pepper paste used. North African gleason get a jar of her essay. And keep it in the fridge. You'd be amazed at what you can add that too. I just saw the headline for I got to do research on this. There's a Some sort of Chili pepper that helps combat heart disease. Yeah I saw something about that Bro. Relent we went on Christmas break. Exactly do you know what I made for dinner. The other night I mixed A big spoonful of H- Orissa into some buttermilk and marinate it Boneless chicken thighs in it and then You have Orissa in your house. Yeah I love her. Aside its secret ingredient. A lot of things I cook. It's very very spicy. A data lot hotter nella dabble do you. But I- stirred up a spoonful of Harrison into some buttermilk and marinate it cut up boneless skinless. Chicken thighs is and then dredged them in a mixture of corn meal and Panko breadcrumbs and bake them in the oven with them with a little olive oil and baked chicken breast chicken. Compressed it's better than a thigh. I like to kind of greasy. No not if he got his skinless and boneless you. It's not you don't know what you're talking do you don't I I know I know my mouth gearless. You're the man who has never netflixing chilled and can't be an excuse. which is a Vietnamese you got to be Super Far. It's why is it. Why are you bob not bow? Who knows finally brought enjoy? Hey thank you so much for listening to the Bob and Sheri podcast and the Bob and Sheri odd cast. We would love if you subscribe rate and review and and share it with a friend on facebook twitter instagram. Wherever you go and thank you again for listening?

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The Sessions at Midori House: Lola Kirke

Monocle 24: Culture with Robert Bound

20:32 min | 1 year ago

The Sessions at Midori House: Lola Kirke

"Sediba. Eight. Does do it man. He may know Leyla Kirk as the Hollywood actress from films, like, no bound box mistress America, all the David fincher, thriller gone, girl, you may know her as being the kirks, a whole family of performers Hadad, Simon was the drummer for bad company, antithesis of the girls. Trista Mima, Kirk musician domino, Kirk, but you should know Lila for her music, which sits at the popular end of the country. Spectrum and took off with her debut album, hot head west last year. Since then Kirk has released few more singles, some of which she made with Matthew, white, the legendary space bomb studios in Richmond, Virginia today, she plays him sowings new and old for us. And tells us why country music is the perfect place to marry both sides of her career high cook. I'm here with Lila Larsen and Hannah read. And this is a song called not used. It's called not us not not used cheese us. Hugh lanus. Did it sleep? Listener. No. Is this good thinker is? We'll pin, all the good never be. Lows two to Good. Two. Let's talk Berta. You. Blue. Sewer. Gauri stray. Chul-man. Cruise. The. So. Lose youth clean. Fill that you. Wean only. You can't not. Light of all the sessions. Missouri us. Thank you beautiful. Oh. Well, you made it beats for that, wonderful session. I for anyone listening that doesn't know what this place looks like it's the most beautiful place on earth. So I'll take that compliment. I think it's pretty beautiful with or without me. So this, you've been Tripoli a few different singles, a couple that you went on with your partner up in a couple of Thome with Matthew white does. Well, yeah, they're all kind of separate projects and yet, somehow, I guess, wetted because of me, but yeah, the stuff that Wyndham night, put out this year were two songs that was like an aside, and a side, I guess, one was a cover of the Ted LUKA song baby where you are. And that's a song that him and I had been singing reliever that long time together. And we liked it as this kind of hopeful beside two lights on, which is a sad love song about. Out love being lost, and we recorded those songs like in our friends tiny, little studio, and it was like just us. And then this amazing upright bass player janey Cowan and the engineer, and it was just like very much aggress roots operation, if you will that does not really make sense, but it was just our own efforts. And then I went to Richmond Virginia to record with Matthew and this base bomb house, Ben and that was just like a complete departure. And again, those two songs I guess, omens, which is an original song, and sit the wine, which is a song Ridgely written by Rick Danko and the original is more of a ballad and my drummer, I told him why Birt's I was like, I'm going to cover the song. I'm so excited about it because I'm like kind of in love with Rick Danko his name tattooed on me, and I'm really weird about that. I guess, and he was like, this is the most boring song ever, which I disagree with when you cover it. You have to do something different with it. Otherwise, like no one will. Listen to it, and I like for whatever reason listened to him. And I'm glad I did because we made super fun, funky and omens is too, so yeah, they're very like sonically. I would say that the songs aided with Windham are more intimate, and these are like more full band, and playing with the greatest musicians I've ever met this song is called sip the wine. It's a rigidly by Vic Denka when my favorite musicians, who is the bass player of one of my favorite bands, the band two three four. Shoe? He. Hold you move to. The. The rules. Comes. We. Again. Two. Look. Is. Shoe? Also getters. Don't. That's your. June. The two. Oh. Sip the way. We must soup. The one. Zip. We must see the one. Do you find that when you are doing an acting job, the character kind of seeps into some of the music that you right? Oh, you don't know I don't because I think I often will come home and right at the end of the night. I actually write a lot when I'm shooting because writing becomes a way of returning to myself, and there's so much I can't say when I'm on sex, I have to be on all day, and I'm you know, there's so many people around, and it can be really lonely or it's really fun. And then you get home and you're alone for the first time in fifteen hours. And I have yet to write songs that are influenced by the characters I'm playing, but I certainly want to start writing more songs from the perspective of different characters that are less autobiographical. It'd be fun 'cause I was reading an he did. I think telegraph header on this year. New saying that this kind of country music sphere that you'd have in his way you feel that acting music, meet few, you know, country music. Additionally is not really written by the people that are singing it. It's heavily like ghost written John rea-. You would never know that from the commitment that these country singers bring to the songs that they sing like they are acting these songs. It's the way that, like we can't know that, like a great actor or actress, you know, we're meant to think that those are words that they're really thinking, feeling, and I think that these, like, Dolly Parton and Loretta Lynn. And you know, anyone who didn't write their own songs TIMMY, way net. They are like, in a way, great actresses, and I didn't realize that until recently, but I've always kind of wondered at my love of country, music, and Americana generally as, like a British person, which I actually am moved to New York when I was five and my whole family has anguish accents, except for me, and it's very confusing. And I really, really love like American culture, but lots of people of American culture, that aren't American and another explanation. I kind of have for that is that America like is meant to represent this kind of freedom. And for anybody that has a spirit or mind that is preoccupied with the pursuit of freedom, maybe, like that, just static just kind of lends itself nicely to you country music and acting, I no. I think there's also much like melodrama and country. And there's, like also so much comedy in country, and they're telling stories in a more straightforward way, than like a lot of other kinds of music. So that was like an easy, inroads for me. And also, it's like, you know, three chords and the truth, which is something I feel like I say all the time, but that is. It's true. It's easy. It's very acceptable. John roof, you want to start playing guitar new EP coming out later on this year. Yeah. Can you tell us much front? Yeah. It's a duets EP that I recorded with Austin Jenkins who's wonderful producer out of Fort Worth, and it's five songs Kelly's trial from wet sings on one of the songs, Lila Larson, who. Plays in my band has abandoned, her own called sons illustrious father, sings on one rent Kohl's, who's a great country singer out of Denver and my best friend, Audrey Turner, who's not a singer. But is a great singer, my kind of like hoodwinked her into singing one of the songs with me. Then Austin things on one himself. I think all of my music is like country, inspired. This is much more like an Oma to the great country duets that I love like earlier country not like, really modern country. There was a lot of like the Tammy Wynette George Jones songs that were listened to and are a whole bunch of more classic season. Seventies country artists Conway Twitty and Loretta Lynn. It's fun. Because I do feel like I'm definitely playing different character in each of the songs, and it's like a dream come true to get to sing that kind of music for me. The song is called monster. Well, it is. Nhs room. Well, who's oh, just say, so. Please be when. Is dig. Soon. What is nothing Hans? Shooter. This just can trip to. Wards. Didn't do. Although seems to. Talk to me. So. Little. Would it be? So you. This. Awards. You've been listening to the sessions at Madari house. This week's guest was Kirk and her album, hotheads west is out. Now this program was produced by me. Holly Fischer is recorded a mix by Alex Felix. Two.

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Vampire Weekend Hits On Complicated Relationships And Identity

World Cafe

24:12 min | 1 year ago

Vampire Weekend Hits On Complicated Relationships And Identity

"Get fast speeds even when everyone is online working to make WIFI simple easy awesome more at xfinity dot com restrictions apply this message comes from NPR sponsor xfinity some things are slow like a snail races other things are fast like Xfinity X. by Aw Aw no we hear the song about where this comes from it's from the the soundtrack to the movie the thin red line and it's composed by Hans Zimmer but just music about God right next to like a song about a break-up so that's Kinda how came together well let's have a listen to it this is the father me do you want to Lupul surprises there were along the way so thank you for that that's our goal yeah so let's start by talking about how the album starts which is with this Ezra we'll talk about writing this new batch of songs also open up about the complex relationship between his songwriting and identity he was raised in a Jewish family in you're up and stuff so you know very much like type our interview with Ezra was recorded backstage before a Gig at the Mann Music Centre in Philadelphia with our former work I've always had conflicting feelings about singing about my identity you know my parents lived on the upper west side my grandparents from the Bronx Brooklyn Eastern Act World Cafe Thank you thanks yeah so we're talking about the new vampire weekend album father of the bride and there's lots to talk about and I really enjoyed how many found their latest album father of the bride is the band's first since founding member Rostom announced his departure from the group back in two thousand sixteen no reason why you think outta stay funny hi telling me on the the people saying are members of Melanesian Choir and yeah it was always really struck by it and it kind of mirror most tallish langer one of the last things Talia did before she said goodbye last month I'm stoked you get to hear it okay here's Talia as their cake welcomed right Asong in that form I always liked country duets and I think on this album and just also getting older like a moment in two people singing to each other so yet I liked the idea that you would hear these songs and have a sense of the did this like kind of country song that I was writing and I always thought it was so beautiful and and I like the idea of putting some religion mutiple song called the fold you now it's a duet with Daniel Heim we'll talk about her in a minute but first I wanted to ask about the choir part that we hear in that Song Sambol that's really interesting just tell me a little bit it's also interesting those people just come together to duets throughout their careers whether or not they had a romantic relationship in some cases they did and then they didn't well the the two that Loom Larger Conway Twitty and Loretta Lynn George Jones and Tammy Wynette and so a lot of songs in both those duet partners you know and even the title is facetious the reason our kids are ugly you get the impression that these people love each other and probably don't actually think kids are ugly like what are they talking about it's not it's different than just reading this is how I felt during that January of two thousand nine or something this is a song and at the end of the song they're not getting divorced which has a lot of countries songs it's about two people who were kind of just kind of like ribbing each other I think I wanted to challenge myself to try new forms so you can take any song just divided up and say using this part I'll sing that part but if you really interested in two people talking to each other you have to what does that mean smart songwriting and so think about it sounds like you're the reason our kids are ugly which is to people making fun of each other and blaming all their misfortune on each other but dances or just like owning it like we got each other I love all that stuff I think it's like you know I also increasingly think about songwriting and then there's another song we're not the jet world Chevrolet that's again about like people finding love in less than desirable circus as something that transcends genre or era or in some ways like cool or uncool they just come together yes so they're they're like a few songs that always loomed large that there were just kind of witty songs the my parents would the two characters are my voice daniels voice in what's going on between them you know for me it was a challenge so did you did you have a country couple in mind as you were writing in this form it let's talk a little bit about the other voice that we are in that song to the relationship there so we hear Danielle Haim and you guys are singing the sort of country style duet pick a moment I guess maybe where you're doing something that that refers to what you were just saying about something that's not cool but you don't care because it's guide what like Tammy Wynette Leonard Cohen Lana del Rey they all got something common songwriting right by your devotion to the songwriting craft well well maybe I'm just jaded but in some ways I think the the being a musician is uncool let you almost have it's hard to find the bounce because either you go like full on like what I'm doing very important and when I step on stage you know I'm I'm like as you get older and you kind of like shake off some of the strong feelings of youth about what is there is not cool or what speaks for you you start to increasingly be like something that truly unites all good songwriting it's a type of wit it's a it's a way with words you know it's poetry it's a sense of humor and it is vermilion and makes a big impression on you and your young it's like your mom or dad says says this is smart songwriting because you you know it's like a new concept you like music and stuff to to see how everything is you're very lucky to get to do it but also don't take it too seriously which which is funny because those are almost like conflicting impulses L. Wooden crying in those rumbled sheets someone's huges watch one talkin man embrace that it's not that cool but what's cool people getting together and don't think of yourself as being so important and don't think of songs as being so important to think of it as like a gathering of people it's like there's something just inherently dorky about you know getting on onstage at the Budweiser pavilion to perform for everybody but you know like embrace the there's something about that having that experience which was like very interns and then going into like music that couldn't quite take it as seriously I don't know in New York and that's just like such a real job and so difficult and so truly like an important part of like the way a whole city works getting something or and then you can find us type self-importance and you see the way that for some people they they drown or you can have a sense of humor two two more dislike who cares which maybe is the best thing you know may maybe it's offered the best because it gives you like a you kind of get that's how I I try to think about it but we was there a time when you didn't think about it that way because it's it's all well and good now that you're a very successful musician too in hold you now views gin playing La Gary Sage is the coolest thing that you can do or did you not have that that moment ever I think I never quite got to have that moment it was I think when we first came out for various reasons we were considered more controversial than other very similar bands so you know I think most of them just like scared like is it okay and then at some point I went from being scared the Internet and MP threes and what does all this mean and there's just so much like talk about everything so I think at the time and there's a strong opinions about everything and and it was like whenever he has he's still says caused me Mr K. which gets a lot of people feel like about their teachers because if you met somebody when you were in eighth grade band vampire weekend is as Seles did his brain for it to me Mr and and it's you but yeah but I'm glad that still be in touch with with some of the concern the thing the funny thing recently is like one of my students like he's always I'd love for you to pick one where we can really talk about that process of putting these intricate songs together sure well like rich man is an interesting one because very short song that's really just like a song about statistics I guess and thinking a lot about how I think you know from the record and maybe you can pick it let's pick an example of some of the really radical twists and turns that that you take in songs there a couple of examples that I have in mind yeah so I think the whole thing I just think like obviously it seems cool but I just think like the older you get the more it's that type of thing that also makes you recognize the way that American music southern music country music the connections between Africa Europe and the it's funny to look back on it this way but at the time it seemed like this new era of music and I think the new era was actually yet to come but it was like oh bans on it's even I want to call them kids but they're not kids no yeah I'm talking to Mr K. who've difference the band vampire weekend latest album is called father of the bride I want to play another song it like what else are you going to call them I would feel the same way but of course when you're on the other side of it there's literally one person in the past like ten years who's cool cool to be one of the ten richest people on the planet like at what point does being special become psychotic it all comes together you know there's there's so much shared Dna you know and then to me the lyrics are kind of like riffing on this old country song that it's kind of satirizing but well wait is there a story that stands out from your time being an eighth grade school teacher in New York I mean it was it was very jam-packed you want things that I'm still in touch with some of the that says you know it's so hard to find one rich men and ten with a satisfied mind and so we kind of put together into something that's like damning man eat we love him he's a great kid and now he's a man we have kids the same age and he was like the funny thing that perspective but I would think that when you're first starting out and you're like making your first record you have to maybe think that that standing on stage at the the budweiser that doesn't seem crazy but then the higher you go and you start to think about what if you're one in a billion what if you're one of six or seven people on the planet who do something like is is it's based around sample from like a very legendary guitarist someone else people call that style of African Guitar nobody feels pretty good if you're if you're one outta ten that could make you feel special like you know if there's one to ten people who are going to do this correctly it's going to be made palm wine guitars se Rogier Roggee and it's built a brand a little loop of him playing and you know it's it's something and then I guess also the The other things that my my first my real job that I had between college and Vampiric and getting signed was being a eighth grade public schoolteacher a Jewish history and of always felt like to some extent New York gets short shrift in the modern Jewish identity well yeah on the on the most basic level those three cities that are very important in terms of let's have a listen to rich man says I would on the one in a swing back Woah Woah is and basically saying like it's called the idea of establishing Jewish homeland and obviously you can imagine could ask Palestinian person what does it mean to you so I wanted to talk a little bit about that album closer about Jerusalem New York Berlin I've just heard a song like this anymore and so we'll just play it for so that people can is obviously Israel and Zionism limbs very large Jerusalem this historical place and also a modern place in terms of A. and like I said they loom so large in kind of how a lot of Jewish people think about themselves so on that level that's the most obvious way that they go together what it means in terms of politics and identity and Berlin picture Germany makes you think about the the nazi-era and the New York being kind of like conflicting feelings about my own identity you know my family's Jewish were pretty classic New York Jewish family like literally when I was in my parents the thing forms who I am but also to some extent you know things like a lot of artists you can't feel that comfortable feeling like you're defined by a group much larger than you and also just to help with the pieces together a little bit tell me about the connection between those three cities Jerusalem New York Berlin and the number that we hear reference nineteen seventeen because what is what does that even mean so when I write songs of course I'm going to have a lot of interpretations of things based on my own identity but the city with the most Jews outside of Israel so to me they represent different types of identity and different kind of paths along the way in public discourse and people are so quick to make you choose one side or the other side and given what you've said about coming up against a wall of of writing about your own identity in art for all those fears what made you actually do it this time around with this song always had this thing that holds me back from being like every morning to go you know I always suddenly like these conversations I get back to like just being like of getting the place route today so you know it's funny it's like I've always had conflicting feelings about singing about my identity probably lived on the upper west side my grandparents from the Bronx and Brooklyn and Eastern Europe and stuff very much like type which I think is an English Lord said You could establish homeland they'd probably say not very much that was nine hundred seventeen year which is not hard to understand but that that's an important moment in he I mean even just in terms of the language like often I think our audience and people from all different backgrounds and things like that and yeah I do like to leave it somewhat open to interpretation and a Lotta the songs about when you think about nineteen seventeen the Belford declaration that Lord Balfour a British Up Marriages met and steps as its most like okay not what I was thinking this is this is what it is to be a songwriter I guess so we're living in time where they're so little room I think for nuance in often described as being kind of like hateful uncivilized you see this language a lot in rather than being described as a people like a very traumatic history deserving of understanding nuance Palestinian people Israeli Palestinian conflict is is talked about is so insane the way that many many mainstream politicians and pundits and stuff talk about and over the piano part once I got that I was like Oh yeah I really felt something so it felt meaningful to me and if the if the words and the music didn't come even I sit with it for us and then talk about seventy berries to burn you know there's pros and cons to that so somebody will send me an article somebody writes in that song got a got a bunch of specific write read when you're like wow that person nailed it and read somebody English major slash music nerd where I'm just like well you could interpret it that way you can interpret it that other wait like at some point I hit this wall where I don't WanNa talk about it from my lens anymore because I think about yeah well we're we're at time but I'm going to hand over the keys to you to pick one more song from the latest album when we're song from from father of the bride by vampire weekend for us to go out on I want to say I appreciate so much musical treatment echoes I think what you've just said you're trying to do with the words like there's so much space in the music and there's so much new and talk about it has to be but with music is different it's like it has to all kinds of add up together because you know if you WanNa make a statement just say like okay that senator said something I thought was a Islamophobic you could do that in a tweet better than a Asong you know well I just away from people who you think would know better and then you know even in terms of like mainstream politicians just like kind of the Palestinian people they're almost nobody else you can get away with talking that Web

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Benmont Tench on life with Tom Petty

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Benmont Tench on life with Tom Petty

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Just, like the lyrics of so many Tom Petty. Socks. Known win. Then, mom blends so well with the band, but you might actually forget he's even there. Like in the song you hearing now time to move on from wildflowers. For not exactly the best way to compliment a song what makes rick? Rubin loved working with Ben Months so much. In addition to being a founding member of Tom, petty and the heartbreakers them on has been an in demand session player since the eighties. Played on records by you to Fiona Apple, eurythmics and Johnny Cash. Rick and Ben Mark. Got Together. Over Zoom to commemorate the release of the wildflowers Bach. But the conversation veered other places too like the heartbreakers time on the road with Bob. Dylan. Ben Months early days with the heartbreakers in Florida and how the album full moon fever led ben Mont tench to Rehab. This is broken wreck ladder notes for the digital age I'm just which. Here's Rick Rubin's conversation with heartbreakers Keyboardist Ben Montana. Do. You remember time before rock and roll was the rock and roll from Your First Memories of music I think the first song I ever remember hearing. was frosty the Snowman Rudolph, the red nosed reindeer those would have been pre rock and roll. Bless born in fifty three. Elvis showed up on the scene big time fifty six. I. Remember. Probably, sixty one or so elvis put out his latest flame if you don't know that song, that's an incredible. By dot poem, some Mort Shuman. And it just knocked me completely down. I've been too little too. I had been too little to hear much other than Hound dog and heartbreak hotel, which was so spooky probably scared me. Elvis Presley saying his latest flame after done the army thing and all of that stuff when you supposedly denuded, it was magic and I was so. Moved by it as. Eight or nine year old kid. And whenever was coming on the radio at the time. was mostly pop music. I like the fleet woods I liked sad songs I like all that. But something about the Beatles, just blew it all out. And I think there were bands in Gainesville before the Beatles hit that as soon as the Beatles hit, I was in Panama Father's Washington State, department briefly. The Beatles hit when I hit a miracle now's in. Panama came back in late sixty four. Everybody out of. Band. We weren't any good. But. My Mom said when we moved houses said the little kid across the street, the twelve year old boy across the street has on. Drums I know you like an you loved piano since you're. Won't you go introduce yourself kind of. Drag myself over to. Introduce myself to this Kid Sandy. We. Put a band together. And then, Sandy. Five years later. was helping carry gear for this band called mud crutch and he told me all about. And dragged me out to go see them play. And that's the first. I saw Tom and Mike played seen Tom Hanging around the music store when I go loiter. But I never met him and so that wild. Small world to mazing What we first impressions Tom when you saw him at that, I mudd crutch Oh. I smoke show they were so good. But certainly about Tom and Mike stood out even from marsh on drums and Tom Leaden on the Rhythm Guitar or on Actually Secondly Guitar. Petty was playing Bass when they came. Out to the booth where I was sitting illegally in this nightclub because I was probably seventeen, you're supposed to be eighteen or something. They came from like whatever the couldn't have been backstage into. Astro. Lounge Lake City. But. They came toward the booth worse it with my friend Sandy and. Tom Mike there was just something going on. Now the whole band was great and rail the drummers who I was taken with immediately they were so good that for peace plan but. Tom Might come down. It's like. Whoa and they were totally nice. But there was something there was always something warm but intimidating about petty. And so I was just a fan I followed them around I. Mushroom Sandy would say they're playing here. They're playing their they're playing a fraternity party and it's like. Okay I? Guess I'll go pretend to be a of the fraternity i. go just sit on the floor and listen to these guys play every chance I got and I was sitting in with them pretty quickly. And then eventually I quit college to join the mail. Do you remember the very first time you got to play with them? I do there was a nightclub called dubs? DUBS, said lounge that had topless dancers but they weren't there the night I. was there. And mug crutch was playing like five sets a night or whatever. And my friend Sandy said, hey, they wanted to know if you wanNA bring down your. Portable Oregon. And sit in with them. And I thought. They must really be bored down there if they want me was like three years younger than any of them and that matters when you're seventeen eighteen. And I thought well I. WanNa. Go see them play anyway and I had the moment the portable organ I had was heavy heavy heavy and the amp was heavy. In a dragon out driving my mom's station wagon. Ellum looking at the tailgate and look at this organ and going to I really WanNa pick this thing up and throw it in there. Just 'cause Mon- Crutches Board. In the last segment yeah, I'll bring it. and. Abroad. Got Their Win. and. They were just playing songs that I could either follow I knew. From weather records they were they weren't super top forty Jj Kale's crazy mama was. A popular song, they played a couple of Van Morrison. But it didn't feel like some cheesy cover band does steps or learns all parts precisely felt like a soulful band playing these cool tunes. And it was I fit playing with them immediately and they they were pretty clearly enjoyed the way I was playing. And they said, you know we're playing the university auditorium this weekend you WanNa come and play a song to there's a piano there. So I did that. And then. Whenever home from college for a year and a half or so. I'd seen in with them. Come home for the summer play in the band also. From the first time I sat in with him it was just it was just fine. It was just really natural really great plus like I said I was a big Fan. So it's like Oh yeah really alibi heroes my heroes so cool. So cool. Do you think at that point they imagined that this was a serious thing that they'd be doing or do you think it was just something they would do for fun at this point in time They were they were dead serious about that's what they were doing. And I wanted to be a musician and I was in college as an art student and because John Lennon went to art college and that's where he met Stu Sutcliffe and the Beatles born size literally in art college waiting to find the band and I didn't find his New Orleans college was but I found it back home long break. and Tom in particular. Mike. To had the Driving ambition go. Wait a minute there's somewhere beyond Gainesville. Come on, let let's do this bans get record deals, make records with real companies not just pressed on their own label in finance by a guy who owns a pepper farm and Bushnell Florida. God, bless him though so yeah, it was a serious serious business because we were. So music was everybody's life. All you do is go over to. Any. Of Your friends houses. And they put on a record I. Go to Tom's apartment he I put on. The new todd rundgren record, which was incredibly psychedelic little too psychedelic in in ways. and He'd put on a GRANDPA's name me Lou. Harris. Record Grievous Angel say of you heard this. Or they'd say they play the city starts style go Nolan this ain't the one hunky Dory that's the Bowie record. And we just play things back and forth at each other and. And Learn stuff and get excited and musical always. Life it wasn't just some passing fancy. How different was the world pre Beatles to post Beatles for you, guys. I don't know about for them because I met them. Y- This is like when I sat in with them was probably seven years into the Beatles. would. Have Been Seventy. I. Think. So the Beatles broke up. But. Everything exploded in the songwriting was mysterious in gorgeous. It was really deep people say the world went to technicolor and I, remember color I. Remember that the world was beautiful magical in strange before this came. But really it went three D. Four D. or something when the Beatles v Two mazing and I was only ten. You know if you're like thirteen or fourteen in junior high school going to high school. That really must have been something for like Tom and Mike and Everybody. It was the best thing. It was the best damn thing nine, hundred, sixty, four, through nineteen, sixty, six, or sixty eight. The quality of music that was showing up was another level can you remember? Can you remember other artists or particular tracks or albums where it was just like the world stopped for you like really The ones that changed your life. The first time I heard Reza, whatever it was whether was think are chains or? Natural, woman or. Never loved a man, whatever it was that came radios, Aretha ch that was a stop time thing. Those muscle shoals cats combined with aretha Franklin. Some Tammy Wynette stuff will come on the radio. Station that George Jones you got ray. Charles he got Frank Sinatra you've got nominally banished from England. You might have a stone cold. Country hit. so that sense everybody was on TV and I'm a young kid that's more curious about the sound than the look. I honestly like. I didn't know if. Whoever the country heard Tammy Wynette or whatever was black I just kind of like, wow, this is fantastic or honest to God if Aretha was black honest to God, I just was listening and hearing this and going this bloody amazing and since you had one after the other I mean. How can you have Frank Sinatra in Ray Charles and the brand new Beatles record and Wilson Pickett android the Franklin and Tammy Wynette and it's all in a row. Greatest music of all time well, the greatest radio of our time because it was so diverse but also you drive along the FM radio in Gainesville know walk on gilded splinters by Dr John. Is Long ended his spooky and it's one in the morning and you're just bring Austin driving like roads between towns in northern Florida. In, some like that comes on is gonNA. Mess you up. Just it was just as wonderful amount of. Discovery and tall and Mike what coach and general loved country music. And I pretty much written off anything that was hard. Country George Jones was countries held, but he had songs like. White. Lightning the races on you could deny. But they knew the stuff that was played in the morning. Before the morning news, it's six in the morning. The guys with the Bill Monroe type hats in the upper basis in the fills and everything. I would just go I wanNA watch cartoon. He'll go past me and they were diving into that. They're also so deeply into the rolling stones and Bob and Wilson Pickett, which is where we learned so much stuff. Everything was blended together everything they were listening to bluegrass country. Rhythm and Blues Tom Would See James Brown in nineteen, sixty five. Just a kid he's GonNa. Go See James Rally services fashion they were open to everything. And they got playing electric piano through a Marshall Stack and turning up so much that it distorted guitar and we played some love him and cracks the ceiling I was so proud. Rolling down as. That's six days on the road by mud crush. We back in a few with more bricks conversation with Ben Mont We've all been. You're listening to music on shuffle and his song you haven't heard in forever comes on. You instantly tone back to where you were twenty twenty five years ago listening to for the first time matter of fact, anytime I hear any song of TLC's crazy sexy. Cool. It instantly takes him back to my six year old self jamming out the cassette my Walkman in nineteen ninety six. That's why I can't wait to check out by nineties playlist, which breaks down the why of our love for the hits of the nineties. What made her favorite song so popular back then and why were so nostalgic for the now Throughout. Season our host Tracy Clayton and Akoto four Yada will celebrate their picks for a quintessential nineties playlist in breakdown the hits of the backstreet boys. Mariah. Carey so Indian tribe called quest. I pray TLC in many more. 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The most sought after studio keyboard player. In the world which is very different, it's an entirely different world. So you you get to experience two different lives whereas if you only played in your band, your experience music would be one thing but you get to play with everybody different producers, different musicians constantly, and I just want to talk about what that's like. What's it like? To experience these different things versus just being the guy in the band you know the thing that I wanted to do from when I was pretty young and her booker t and the m cheese, and then when I was fifteen or so got some Otis reading records into Wilson Pickett records that were cut as stacks realize these guys are playing with everybody. I thought will I want to be in the band but I would love to be in a band like book contains the Jesus playing with everybody. or I would love to be a session musician and I never thought of. There's a certain echelon session musicians that I never thought of his the people who just kind of show up as a job into it. Now, none of the session musicians I've met people who just kind of show up as a job and do it. There are people that are so good. They can turn sheet music upside down looking mirror and read it and play it on first sight. So I played on a lot of records I had a good run that I love to do again of playing with all sorts of diverse people and maybe I can. and. You learn so much but also the band was very insular. And Didn't. Know anything except our world and a couple of friends who really cool musicians. And through Jimmy I. I found myself really. In Los Angeles session world. Because, he invited me along to Dylan session. He did and Bob said me come back. In and he had me work on Stevie Nicks is first solo record limet. Whole other group of session musicians and I guess they spread the word said, hey, check this cattle. But the best thing was always learning that man. On not good enough to be in this room I better. Really. Listen up step up but imagine yourself you had a room with when Bob Dylan's greatest bands, David Mansfield and everybody Kellner Drummond Holy Moly in across the room. Bob Dylan singing song. And I'm just like. In the deepened better learn to swim. And I met all these wonderful people James Gazza who's just The drummer for all time him and Cutler and Ringo. In Watts, I got to play with all these cats. And it's not a feather in the cap saying it's simply a a life experience like do you want to you know stand on the highest peak not in order to tell people you did it but in order to have your breasts taken away. And that's what that's like with the Dylan session. Your first non heartbreaker friends will call me up to do something but for the first few years of the band, Tom would not let us play sessions some maybe the first bunch of sessions I did that had any consequence where maybe Dylan Stevie Amazing talk talk a little bit about the difference in playing with different people. What's inspiring about playing with? Different. Than you normally play with. The inspiring part is usually if the group is really cool. The best part is if you don't have to think. But, it's also really good if you go into a room and you're challenged to play with some in, you can't quite. It takes you a while to find your way in the job is to find your way in. You might find A. Aban with Bass player that you can't really see where he's coming from but you have to be with him because you're part of the realm section. And you find a way you might find a drummer. WHO has an entirely different field than you're used to? and. You have to go how do I slot with this? I learned one really cool thing from Danny coach Mar on the first, not the first day. But when we will working on the Dylan record. He said listen if somebody tells you to play a part and he thinks really stupid and you in your shore and the producer's like no play sports I want don't play it because that's the stupid part on that record even if it's a hit or whatever. That's the stupid part on the record and you're GonNa be the guy that played the stupid part. No these know that the producer held a gun to your head major play. The stupid parts like if you don't think is good, don't play it. You can lose gigs that way if you're saying room behind the Hammond and the vox continental and Bob Dylan Bob Dylan, his background singers are all t right. The brilliant background singers are all right playing percussion and singing. And across the room you see Jim Keller and Tim Drums next to him and their these great bitar players like Nancy. Cordes. Mars Ripley and Fred Tackett around the room and Bob Dylan is is teaching you a song and song as every grain of sand or whatever it is. and the piano player was great to pick our. Man It's like you're the concert by your favorite musicians but instead of being in an audience, you're standing in the midst of. Wow. Yeah and and your, and you don't really know the songs so well, you know it's it's it's an amazing. Moment of discovery being in that room and it sounding good and it just like it's almost like it's playing through you. You know it is playing through and the thing about the sessions with Kellner. That time was that it was kind of like a sculptor will tell you that you chisel away at the marble and this, and the the figure will reveal itself and win. It's totally reveal itself. That's that's what happens. Watch. We would play the songs and they would. Slowly appear. They. Become themselves in any session and that's true. Bonnie Raitt it was true with the replacement. So it was really hard for me to figure out what Paul Westerberg wanted but I think I got it I liked what he played better than what I play. Henley would always challenge to go farther and farther and farther and farther and farther farther. No, you can do this but it's not there yet to a perfectionist level that to me I'm like. Don. You're you're rough vocal was better than any of the ones that are perfect. But that's how I am to go into going to the other extreme where you can just just go play and you don't analyze and it's just straight up rock and roll, which is what? Mud Crutch was in, which is what some of the heartbreakers stuff was. We find tune we'd zone in, but it was it was just this feeling of joy and depth and sorrow. And high in the physical sense like you're lifted. Felt it pretty naturally happened in the heartbreakers for the most part and then any additional colors embellishments just for you know we wanted something special for a moment we might have to figure out what that was but that, but that would only be icing on the cake. Really wildflowers was the exception because I remember on wildflowers you were Dane very particular about what Steve would do. and Re ordering the bridges to be paying and things like that. For the most part we will flow into Mike was saying because we've been talking about lately with people. That with you what would happen as we were used to play the song and we would get it it'd be really really good we go. This is it. This is the take this kind of what happened with Mary Jane's last dance, but we do something and it's like that's it. We're not the top that and you'll go yeah. But try it this way and There was enough trust in you to go. Okay. What if we do in a very minor way change the pattern on each instrumental lick during good to became not the yellow it but the cello lick. Well, if we do that a little bit differently here on, leave it out there it's like. What. but we did it and that was really rewarding. Just. Be. Yet, that's good to be king from Tom Petty's wildflowers. After quick break, we'll be back with the rest of Rick's conversation with Ben Montjuich CH-. Hi This is Hurricane Andrew. I want to tell you about my new podcast into the zone. It's a show about opposites and how borders and never as clear as we think. I go from Berlin to Paris from Ohi to Charlottesville looking for the grey areas between life and death. East and West Black and white. I mean philosophers and pumped musicians new age girders and space explorers and they give you insights into some of the biggest issues of the day issues like immigration in privacy and cultural appropriation. Not to mention whether there's life on the mood. Join me for journey into the borderlands. One think tons intuit's Hossen. Listen to into the zone, from Pushkin Industries wherever you get your podcasts. We're back with the rest of Rick's conversation with Ben Mont tench. They jump right into talking about the heartbreakers tours with Bob Dylan. Talk about the shows with Bob Happen How did it come about? Well, apparently Elliot Roberts was managing us and he was Managing Bob at the same time and he had this brilliant idea. Would you do a Tom Petty set and then Bob would come out how did it work? We played with for two years for several tours and it was different different times there was one thing where we come out and play altogether. The BOB would leave and we'd play a set of hours three or four songs. And then Baba come back or else we would leave him. Bob will come out and do this really powerful acoustic set and go back and forth like that, and we'd all play together the last tour that we did with Roger mcglynn. Open, Solo Acoustic. Then we would come on and play a few songs with mcglynn. mcglynn would leave and we do a set of hours and then Baba come on with us. And that was really that was a really great tour. To me. It, it started in the rehearsals were so. Disastrous the we played together for a couple of years the lowest kind of like let me out of here. Of course, the fact that I was doing massive amounts cocaine couldn't have had any impact on that. I got slapped on that tour. The Bob Kids were great because Tom would say that by change keys all the time you do all that he's a little bit that it wasn't like every day. He's like throwing something at you but he would save Dino this as you're walking on stage like we never rehearsed it I don't care I know it. I. Know it by heart and you say, okay, just Navy Mike. And he do that cousin. Amazing. What was the I was the first thing heartbreakers did post the Bob tour. What was the next project between leads the Bob tour after the Bob tour. We. I think during the break, we recorded a record of really hardcore rock and roll salts just live on the floor and a couple of different studios. Really. Like Hard straight ahead rock and roll like to the Tars Bass drums piano go then when finished. Mike had a bunch of really cool demos, not demos tracks where he played everything program to drum and everything. And? They put those together to album called. Let me up if had enough but they left half the live straight rock and roll things off of it. So it's kind of an unsuccessful record in that it's a, it's a mix and match mismatch. And then it just got so crazy and frantic that I think after that is when like eight or whatever we took a break and Tom Jeff. Lynne. Again. and. There you go. Yeah. What was it? What was it like when Tom decided to do the solo record? What was the feeling? WILL FOR ME I was really hurt I didn't know he was doing a solo record. I heard we were going to record on such and such day. and. So a few days before that day I called up bugs. The Guy who knows everything and said so what term must show up at the studio Wednesday went on nobody told you know tell me what Tom's making a solo record with Mike and Jeff Lynne unlike. What and I was I was really angry because I was blindsided and because it's like. Hey we're your band. What are you talking about? If you'RE GONNA, make a record with Jeff I actually said to you like six months ago. Why don't we try something with Jeff because I love the cloud nine record so what do you mean the band is involved but they were having so much fun a look back at it. Now, like I've been doing sessions all along why shouldn't Tom have the fun of playing with other people? Why shouldn't he do it? Why shouldn't he and Mike to I? Do It all the time? But also I was really in bad shape drinking and drugs. And a good friend of mine said Yeah Tom's making a solo record. You're not on it. You know that means you have plenty of time to go to. Rehab. So Rehab. So I got sober because of that. And I never expected heartbreaker last anyway. So I was like, oh no, this is the death knell. But it wasn't. He never heard on anybody else. We played free fall in more than anybody in the world. And God bless me had me come in and play little pee on once on on that record one last thing to just to ask you about you come into session. What are you focusing on when you're playing? I think the melody. Ziadeh. GROOVE AH don't go straight to the words. I'm trying to hear the space around the voice and I'm trying to find. Help how I can support the groove. And if that means by playing around. I do that but look for the groups and and on. And what complements the Melody Would you say that you looking for parts or you just accompanying what's happening? Often they're the same thing like from the first time we played refugee till. We finally got it from the first hung played here comes my girl at waiting. I had the port St Student Song for the Groove Vogel. Immediately. And that was the right thing to continue to play. And it's Kinda still is today. and. Sometimes, it's like crawling back to you whereas fist totally blind. Listening to Tom and on listening to Steve Float and trying to float along. Or? Sometimes. Some songs when I'm playing organ. I'm trying to pull something out of the sky. I know there's a shimmer that go around the song that I can accomplish with the Hammond but I kind have to hold onto the draw bars in slowly pull them in and out. And Kinda hold on for dear life almost pray for that right Shimmer to come through me. Yet so so much of it is out of our control. It's another thing that I think. Most people listening don't might not understand that really is a magic process that happens. It's a magic process thing about thing about it is you need to practice or if you don't practice, you need to know that you can play. And, get across what is in your head and heart, and that's what the technique is for. The technique is for the chicken expressed the magic when it comes through at least for me, is it all? Again I'm messing, this has a non musician. Do you ca- do you imagine what you WanNa play and play or does it happen more automatically is happens automatically. So. There's no thought. There's no thought of what chord you never think about what chord you need to play at any point in time your hands just go to the positions. They WANNA go to. I think it's chicken and egg. I don't know which comes I. I know that if I'm playing a solo if I sing along with it is going to be intimately better but it's kind of a form of prayer. It's kind of former breathing is sometimes just down to man this reminds me of that Jerry Lewis Song I'm GonNa play with Jerry. Played. You know it's instinctive, but it doesn't mean it's not learned over the course of I've been playing since I was probably eight I'm sixty seven. So it of course, whatever that is fifty nine years or whatever. Every time I listened to record every time I play the piano every time do anything it's going to go into it. It's not they. It's a write off for research tax, write off records and films and stuff like that as it's actually not bullshit because it is going to seriously impacts the way that you you make the music that you make. Films you see not just for the score, but for the visual texture that will come through the music. Records. Because of the space, you'll hear the groove. You'll hear the sound you will hear or just the fact that you may not notice any of that but. But it will have an effect on you just as how your day is going just as when you're worried about people up in the hills where the fires are. You know that all goes into? And if you're really gifted blessed brilliant person. Than what's GonNa come out is what comes out a little Richard Bob Aretha. You, know where Tom? Johnny cash for the experience that I have with you johnny cash it can't be conveyed and you want proof of that. It's a prayer. The way you the way you make records is a form of prayer. that. But so is good. Golly, Miss Molly and so is heartbreak hotel absolutely free. Absolutely. But if you if you use or open if your eyes are open and that's the whole thing Jesus with let he who hears who can hear let him hear who can see. Let me see. You don't have to be Christian. Go to any kind of religion to understand. What that's doing it's all in front of you the pain and suffering fellow man. It's all right there for you. If you let it a and man, there's a lot of static at least I gotTa Stack Trust give it away. But when I play music And when I play music with the people. that. I am somehow supposed to play music with. The. People that are especially blood like the heartbreakers. Or mud crutch then I'm. I'm halfway there. Thank you so much for doing this and thank you for playing man. Thank you for the music. Well, thank you, Jeez. I. Love You. It's great. Loving you and I will. I will see you soon and hopefully we'll be in studio together soon making something fun I. Love To. I'm really glad to see your face and I would just love to. Hang out shoot the shit and make some music. Thanks to Ben Montana for catching up with Rick and rehashing some of the best moments of his incredible career. You're getting your favorite songs that Feature Ben Montana on a playlist broken PODCAST DOT COM. assured subscribe to our Youtube Channel at YouTube dot com slash broken record podcasts. There you can find extended cuts at our past episodes and also new. Broken record is produced with help from Lee Arose Jason Gambrill Gonzales Eric Sandler and is executive produced by meal. Bell, I think expect any beats broken record is a production of Pushkin Industries and if you like broken record, please remember to share rate and review our show on your podcast APP. 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Tweet Fighting Man

Fame is a Bitch

28:15 min | 2 years ago

Tweet Fighting Man

"From workhouse connect in a j Benza. Vein, he liked to be walked on a leash and play really dirty kinky sex camps is the guy put the cop and the peacock network. Okay. Okay, bitch. Hey, everybody AJ Benza here for famous bitch for September twenty fourth twenty eight t actually I'm doing this obviously on Sunday afternoon, stepping away from the stove for little bit to bring you some news. I was laughing the other day because I started thinking about the term politically correct. I think I actually remember where I was when that term was born. Comic damn Jackie Mason. Who claimed he invented it so speak. He had a Broadway show that name or whatever. One man show at that name. Very funny guy. All Jewish comic terrific, big time, New Yorker show you heard of him. But then Bill Maher was running around New York with me in the early days and he came up with that title for his show on comedy central. I something like that. Yeah, think so. Politically incorrect and him. Jackie Mason went to war over it and you can use case you can let shit. I love doing Bill show the early days that was a fun show. A lot of great people. If you look back, I don't even know if they have all those on YouTube, but they were tremendous shows and Bill really took that term in ram with it. But what exactly is it about politics that the term correctness should have replaced next to it, but I don't think anybody knows what to do anymore. Social media has become this moral arbiter of what we say. What we do when we get to say and why we say into who we can say it to for how long we should be punished for whatever it is. We said, you know, I, I said it a million times. I'm sorry, social media or the internet to China, bathroom stall. Really. You should just assume believe whatever you read on a stall as much as you believe. You know, for a good time call whatever five, five, five because it it's so much. Bullshit. We just keep reading it. More shit goes up every day. It gets wiped away more. She could. It's constant, but really do we know who are now, the people will get the dictate what's wrong and what the penalty is for things we say, obviously, I do this every single day and there's not a night that goes by that. I don't go that go too far. I say, some things you know, and now the patriots show, I can more or less dictate how many people are coming. In or people leave the place what your fucking head. You know, you see thirty people come. You must have said something. I'd really resounded is he, you know, five or ten leave the little what the fuck gonna be wrong. So it's a constant struggle. Then I started thinking, what am I? What's the problem? You don't comics play every day every week, and sometimes the club is jam-packed. Sometimes they're Tempe seats. You can't. You just can't get you. But still in this day and age of social media were so consumed by what we say. If we're gonna be penalized, what what would we lose our careers? Our show or just our reputation. And right now the horror is never been more true. It's it's everywhere, and that's what the FEMA. This show is the fact that people can say anything to anybody. Anytime it was never more true that what happened, enormous. Donald who got taken down a couple of weeks ago for doing what I think any great friend would do. Here's a guy who's friends with both Louis c. k. and Roseanne Barr and just so you know, maybe this norm is one of those guys with a ton of morals and dignity very well liked in the profession. Even the movies he makes warrant smash hits. But if something about normal always liked, I dunno, it's like your buddies like your friend next door that gotta bars a hammer in just a nice guy by yourself smart. And so he doesn't righteous thing. There was a time when when Louis c. k. was was taken down as you remember and Roseanne even tweeted some shit about him getting what was coming to, you know, and then you know the earth spins days go. Tick. Tock came a day when it was Roseanne's turn on the ring of public opinion or in the ring of public opinion. So what does he actually put the two of them together? And maybe in this fucked up universal hours, at least during this insane time, those two got crushed would be able to maybe comfortable other while they stand on the scrap heap of Hollywood, whether it's a permanent scrap-heap temporary, they're both there. They were there and this is an old story, not breaking it, but, but most of, you know, what happened? He did. He did a print interview we to ago and you do a ton of printing of us in radio interviews and all that shit. When you have a show that's premiering his premiered on Netflix. That's part of the deal. Gotta sit there for forty interviews in hundreds of inane questions and stay try to stay reverent and funny and sound like type of guy that America would say, yeah, I'd watch that guy show he's fast on his feet, sometimes fast. Can. You can kill you. And so many times during these these interview things, you never say something a little off kilter a little crooked or something doesn't quite come off your tongue in a comfortable way. Boom. Then it's on. And you know, when nine eleven happened. I was doing these interviews for my AJ after our show a few days after nine eleven. And the last thing I wanted to be on nine fourteen was funny and a Reverend about my talk show. Make me sick, but these guys on the morning zoos and being bombed, five minutes past the hour, ten fucking Cal bells and horns. Those Bolshevik was New Year's Eve, and I gotta stay funny. I couldn't do it. And one guy made a comment about the towers. I don't know what the fuck you said, but I wanna off on them and I didn't go too well for for me and the people who want to say nice things. But the point is it can happen to anybody and it used to be if you fucked up, they gave you a pass. I gotta pass on the nine eleven stuff, but now Jesus Christ soon as the word slutty mount somebody alerts, the police and the trial by Twitter is on an all norm, said buzz. Referring the fact that bolt his friends have lost everything and. That just for what they did to lose everything. And I remember him appearing on the fucking view the next day, Jesus Christ. Why this show is the fucking arbiter of class or taste. I'll never know what bullshit hypocrisies on that show every day. And I remember when I sat at Whoopi Goldberg's roast years ago and Ted Danson came out and black face and said, nasty shit ever to his girlfriend would be called, and I did that shell about this and we'll be relative material and you wanna talk about being politically incorrect. My God, nothing happened to them. I don't wanna repeat myself. I did a show on this ready, but the point is nobody on the view what whippy or joy Behar get to stand up and stand somebody up on the firing squad and get to the root of the matter you don't, but there was joy Behar and by the way, joy was a a good source of mine back in the day for me and Linda stay. She, she. Liked to call up and dropped on people. You know, fellow comics a little politicians. She knew if it meant getting her name in the column, joyous fine with Droppin dimes on people. So people looking like some fucking moral, upstanding person. She got down and dirty play the game. Anybody does. Joy. I don't know anyone who's named is more the opposite of what she brings, but I saw her phrasing questions from McDonnell and it just pissed me off, but then a couple of days ago joy stepped in it. You know she was the other day, what's her liberal lips dripping with hatred declaring that the supreme court nominee Brent Kavanagh is probably guilty of an alleged decades-old sexual assault. Audi, probably guilty. She goes these white men all by the way, are not protecting women. They're protecting man probably guilty and the fucking audience claps till a hands hurt. You know, reminds me your mind have eat is bunker, but a bitchy Edith mean Edith bunker to say, whippy you've been screwing old white men for forty years. I'm not gonna like Utah monsters. All white men hard. You a white men mentored you Bill Bill gettys who used to exert produce view as an. Old white guy gave you the cushy job. Okay. So stop characterizing all old white men is evil and listen. I don't wanna get too deep into cavenaugh thing because thirty six years ago. A high school keg party at hand might not trust me. I'd be locked up to if we went back to my seventeenth year on the sound planet. A lot of girls of these private schools are complicit in this kinda shit. Let me go further before you start thinking onus say, but did any of you get a look at the yearbook, the high school yearbook that Christine Ford went to. Well, you can't. Now, you know why? Because it's been scrubbed from the internet. How about that? It was actually on the net for while now it's gone. Not who I don't know how those things happen, who takes them down. But there were a bunch of stories and classmates memories that really painted their old girls school Holton arms school as a place where teenage girls into business and sexuality ran wild and listen to me. I wanna make this clear bomb touched on the story. This is some serious shit. You can't wish this story away. I everybody wishes. She came four years ago. I know I do. It'd be a lot easier to handle this now, but I know too many women who tell me that sometimes they just can't call it up because they've suppressed it, soul heart. And so far back and the woman who tell me these things are not lying. And yeah, I know women say, no way. She's full of shit. She was trunk. This is the national story. None of us needed right now or maybe we all needed. I don't know, but it's just we've got knocked this, but this one down because it's very complicated, although it's very simple to, you know, this whole thing whether or not it went down the way she says it was she to loaded. She misidentified Cavill as Kevin. Oh, really fucking creep deep down his soul is they're going to be a sexual assault run a supreme court. All we're doing is taking wild swings at this thing, and I'm recording this obviously before she testifies, she just agreed to testify. Could they have win that room together, both drunk and maybe cavenaugh here's no, and like millions of horny guys. Forty teenagers thinks raw knows a flashing yellow. I can roll through this before it turns green, you know, then she snaps out of it. Her defense mechanism clicks in she gets the hell out of the room and buries it because a her parents would killer for being with a boy at fifteen be. She doesn't want to be labeled a tramp. Unfortunately, see, she's horrified that you've got that loaded and let our guard down and d- doesn't wanna deal with it, buries it not part of your soul that you hope remains quiet and calm. I don't know. I'm kinda down the middle on this one. I also don't think that you know what to drunk teenagers doing a party that wasn't rape, or even sex should follow somebody around and killed at career. Almost four decades later come on. This is about Boertien. This is about if cavenaugh wins. I Kevin gets in Rovers, Wade is repealed, and I think awfully all this hoopla around in this, I think more people are thinking about their little girl home than the little girl who was in that room thirty six years ago. That's what I think. But you got you got to hear what was in this yearbook before it was scrubbed. There were all sorts of girls who went to the school with this woman who wrote in the yearbook about so many nights of the battery and all the parties for juniors only in seniors only how a lot of the girls aloud men into these party men from other schools. After they conquered one school, they said they went to get the men from Gonzaga fucking wild girls and their text about all these morally upstanding. Girl's dressing as female Muslim terrorists that Halloween parties and they play drunken games like Mexican dice. Can you say Mexican? Nice little on planet. That's the game. I don't know if you know this game, it's like the card game bullshit. But this variation people get blind drunk within minutes, and in the night goes on, everybody gets really fucked up. And along with that comes girls being loose with their morals and ambitions and guys not taking no France. Well, nobody can say much of anything to make sense after you play Mexican dice, so you can imagine what might have occurred and what could possibly be recalled. They're also stories of these high school girls playing a game called pass out. Which sounds like it sounds you drink so much that the ideal is to not have any clue of what happened the night before. Whoever forgot how shitty didn't. I gotta what might have happened to you? That was the point. So if you forget you win. I don't know what the fuck you, but that's the point at pass out, you know, listen, she's just like everyone in the world somewhere in between Polly purebred and appoint star and Kavanagh's like every other guy out there who was wild at seventeen, but maybe he's one of those guys that became responsible from twenty one on. And you know, even though there was no sex in that room, it still reminds me of Robert chambers in his rough sex defense against Jennifer Levin. Remember that the preppy killer nineteen Eighty-six New York City. I was just getting started at Newsday. There was a huge story. No one ever heard of rough sex defense was the first time was used, but it showed for the first time with that more than the actual rape and the death, what this show not more than. But what this case showed was for the first time that the children of the rich and privileged live very differently. And there. Private school experiences are different than our public school experiences. And I'm way off on a tangent point is who gets to tell Ford she's wrong, who gets to decide this? I know who they're doing. I know who's doing it later literally. But the point is in the whole scheme of things who are we to make all these judgments on people and why the freeze politically incorrect in needs to be scrapped, it means shit. Those two words to get. Let me ask all the Trump haters out there. Is there anything Trump says politically that you find correct? Yeah, I didn't think so. Okay. Quick shot out to my people. My tippy top. My cream of the crop Angelique Heller Audra fortune candy Welsh. Chris Lewis, Chris star, Debbie Anderson? Eric from Kanar. See Erica, Myers, Franny spindly Gabriella Scatcherd poli janey, FU MO, Catherine, speed, Catherine Stewart, Kelly on a c. poor, the Wyatt. Lisa young use Matthew Valentinas and Ryan, Wolfe, new guy, Ryan Wolfe, rain up the rear listen. My head is in ten different directions, but I'm, I've been getting touch with the. I'll be getting in touch with the rest of you. Infamous members that I haven't found yet or at least Email to set up a phone call, but it's really interesting talking to all you people out there on the phone. I learn a lot and hopefully you do too, but it's really cool that I've spoken to several female members and you know, liberal, they're not Trump supporters, and it's refreshing that were able to actually communicate and they're actually able to put that stuff aside and we don't shout at each other. You know an after those phone calls, I hope you get to see the other side of me. You know, the side, my wife is always on my back about revealing. No everybody thinks you crass and controversial and you know, they should see you talking in the dogs voice coaching little kids in sports all that shit. They get to know really. Hugh, I know, look, we'll have to sides. I'm those special guy in that regard. But hopefully my soft side is more obvious to you guys. Once we have these phone conversations, I got a call Chris star later today. He's been patient. Let me start the second half of the show with brought to you by Robin Hood, the investment app that lets you buy and sell stocks options. 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Listen, all youngsters out there don't be like me, get to know the stock market, man. Let your money make some money for you. It's ridiculous older. You get you don't wanna work. I'm fifty six work on wall. Okay. And I'm not from a family that ever talked about stocks, you know, whatever people get around me and say, you have to talk about the market around the table when you were kid. Oh, yeah. Yeah, farmers market fish market. You name it? Yeah, sure. No, I didn't do it. You do it make some money in your in your in your youth that'll make money for you. As you get older funny might notice that the Robin Hood people left the word bitch off the interesting, right? Everybody's like that nowadays. I don't know if they were against the word or what step around it, but everybody's afraid to say anything for fear of being politically correct, or they hate afraid to say anything at all, just to get their point across. There's those take Julie Chen. You know, she said one extra word and change and everything about her life fresh off all these sexual abuse allegations against their husband. Les Moonves Chen has gone full, Tammy Wynette. She's hosted three episodes of big brother's since all this shit went down. And at the end of all three shows, she signed off by saying, I'm Julie, Chen moon this. She hasn't said that the seventeen years prior, but now she is. It's her way of standing by her man, like Tammy, Wynette. But listen, you know, it's like now that absolately no, you fucking around how my back and the whole world knows your horrible sex abuser. Now I accept your last name, the forget all about, but that one word will follow her around forever literally and figuratively. But everybody's going onto rails lately. Did you see cognac Kanye west the other day right after Hugh nnounced early this week that he plan on moving back to his hometown Chicago. Now he starting to strike back at the guys who spoken Kim Kardashian name in vain. He put up for videos on his Instagram feed to address rumors that Drake, Nick cannon and Tyson Beckford the male model things they said that alluded to those dudes all sleeping with Kim and her sisters Kong wasn't having this. He jumped on Nick cannon. I, I understand that she used to date my wife, but when you get an interview, don't mention my wife. If someone brings up my wife, you say, he, I respect that, man. I'm not speaking on that. Okay. Cam mentioned Kim's name, cannon, snap, rightback. Fook. I'm a girl on mentioned what I wanna mention. He taken that law from cognac then county ripped trait. And those two had a beef since. Fuck you. Wanna know this. The real story about this beef. Drake believes that Connie had pushed t openly district on the song. The story of additon congas as you didn't. He looks when rappers argue, I wanna say you fucking serious guys. That's what is rap music without rappers dissing other due to be called, pop music. Come on. But anyhow, Connie actually, emitted. He was to fuck up on drugs when he was in the studio for that song. And if he was straight, he would have stopped that from happening. And since he didn't, Drake is now not shooting down rumors that that say he fuck him not years ago. We're talking months ago American Kardashian and kind you didn't like that at all, but what guy would shoot down that rumor who please someone started rumor that I fucked any Kardashian or any Jenner. And if you see me shooting it down, punch me in the face. Well, any generates Caitlyn a room like that only makes people run out and boggy music. Drake's music can shoot up to the top. I mean, it makes you more popular. I wanna say album, but no, it's not an album that makes you sound old but Drake use the name KiKi in his song. That's Conyers. Pet name for Kim so county put up a post for drink. He said, you know, if I had a girlfriend from Chicago and her name was Renita and then you're married to riana. I would make no song coal re-really. So when you're like, oh, I dunno recover from your too small for that bro. You know what that come from. Don't make no record with nothing that can be confused. Really as Connie music lately, the fact that people are making rumors that you fucked my wife and you not saying nothing and you carry like that that don't sit well with my spirit. So Tanya spirit ain't sitting right. And then he finished with Tyson Beckford I never liked dude. I could look in kid. No question about it. I remember when he was a baby just hidden the scene in New York City. I remember him entire eighteen years old. The same time they were brand new out there. I'm so old that I'm sold at one time backstage at a fashion show Tyra wanted to tell me she didn't like something. I wrote about her and she actually had a mother talk to me. That's how young tire eighteen. Anyhow, Jesus long, Tanya, finish the post with FARs Tyson. Beckford girls don't speak my wife, bro. Okay. None of y'all don't speak my wife and he finished that by saying they can address him like men and talk it out. But I don't know if we need to do this is like, you know how about he goes and talks to Kim get a read on your wife. I okay or talk to me, I'll tell you spread these rumors about all these guys screw in your life. You mother-in-law bro. Your mother-in-law got the next season keeping up with the Kardashians common. She's just got gold from you. Now you know her and and KiKi probably high five and behind your back. In fact, this whole Kong living in Chicago thing is about starting fights and bullying and beefs otherwise known as making her show interesting and say what you want about Kris Jenner, but she knows how to play the system. She knows which way the wind is blowing and what's in it. She just took what's happening on social media and TV and DC and incorporated in her show. I mean, it really they've. She's come a long way since the show was about watching three sisters. One just offer off a porn tape, three sisters selling dresses of the boutique called dash. It's come a long way but beef. So everywhere. I, I don't even know how to get into this last one. It was like insane. I'm flipping through Facebook Saturday morning, you know, whatever. Get nice leap out of my eyes and I come across a Facebook post. I couldn't believe what I was reading some nice old lady. I think she's all whatever. I saw a picture on a little thumb, print the call it, but you know, maybe sixty five seventy. I don't know. She has an innocent question a strange one, but she wasn't looking for what happened next. It just adds more fuel to the fire about how everybody's jumping. Everybody's back right now. All this lady was asked. Do any of you cook the meat before making meatballs now, what a harmless question, right? Maybe she was looking for somebody out there to make her feel like our method of making meatballs was more common than she thinks. I don't know. Maybe somebody watched her cook them on day and said, you cook the meat before outside, and then she went to Facebook for a little validation. A lot of us do that. Well, that's when the bullying began talking about beef. This was beef about beef after a bunch of people resounded her no. You cannot do that. No, no, no, never heard of that. That sounds bizarre. Then came the onslaught somebody said, I think we're all being a little too rude want you reread the question. She was asking the frying order of the meat. She puts her meat sauce. Come on, be nice. Everybody that was met with actually unique to relax. The question was, do you fry the meat before making your meatballs? Don't tell me, relax. This is about meatballs people, and then, hey, hey, this is so important you. You need to get a life, but this lady should never ever meatballs again and then, hey, hey, she NASA question properly. The way it was said, was she cooked the shot meet before making the meatballs? No, no, no. Then somebody comes back? Yes, yes, yes. Somebody said, sorry, I didn't see the meat. I thought only said Meatball. And then the answer is no hackwood. You form the bowl, then some now can't be done teller. She's praising, and a guy comes in and says, she's frying. Ground beef and then mixing the meatballs. How the hell do you form the meatballs out of cook me a thousand times? No, I never did it. I never heard of it. Definitely won't try it more people. No, no, not ever. Never to dry. She's talking about Browning the ground beef and then mixing the Meatball somehow informing them, and then putting them in the sauce. A Meatball out of cook meat, how the hell that she get away with this. She's gross. She should never feed her family. Again, turn off the stove in walkaway. Finally, lady says, just make meat sauce. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, and then the whole, sorry, the word is sauce and not gravy thing began, but before I left the page, I felt so bad about this little lady. I couldn't stand around watching more, do nothing. I have to come to her aid helper. I couldn't stand watching public this, so I jumped in just to break bowl and say something completely ridiculous to get the attention hurt I go. I use a little peanut butter mixed into the cook meat, and I find the meat sticks together perfectly like that. And I quickly left before they came after me, but at least I saved that little ole but became me you. She's fucking nuts. Okay. First of all you wanna make great Meatball. You mix beef pork and little view. And you fry them first and when they're almost done, you drop into your meat sauce and he find their way in place between the saucers and the brush. And that's how you make the great meat sauce sauce, not great. Gravy is what you put on Turk and also what you serve to Turkey put on call sauce sauce. Let me go before I get really pissed off. I'm AJ Benza and that was fame his pitching.

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn Travis and LZ HR4

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

26:41 min | 2 years ago

ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn Travis and LZ HR4

"We did it again ki- Lucy. Happy birthday, Chuck Berry ninety. What. Ninety two years old ninety two. All right. This Little Richard. Chuck mary. All right. Well, he's gonna do along with the man. All right, let's try it. Toby, Chris, tell me again, I know the city. I don't know the guy. It's rained on my brag. Paris, Greg, good morning. How are you? Greg calling from Paris. I'm awesome. Now I'm awesome. Francais. Oh, really? Was I can what's going call Yar I'm hoping seven. You are sailing. Do you know what it means? Do you not means? Yeah, no, exactly. Tell me I'm going to Laker games where. The game. I in a suite in a suite that part. You're gonna Laker game in a suite in who are you bringing with? You know, I'm definitely agreeing the life that. Okay. Definitely bring the life of white would have it. No other way. So you bring into this game? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I don't wanna get a divorce. So you call it a username, Michael. Then that'll be for the other never mind. Congratulations. Greg. Enjoy the hayme Saturday night. The rockets in a suite, Greg and his wife will be there because they were caller number seven after the magic sounder. Thanks. Awesome. Little Richard. I can't believe fell into my trap like, you know what? Man, I really wasn't paying attention to the voice. Just sound like Chuck Berry sounded saying it all kind of. I can't say that. Right. Oh, you say say it sounds same. They already know else's birthday. It is who John Claude van Damme. So I'm going to commercial blood sport or something like that. He made a move. He just steals commercial commercial yet. So you some tortillas odd. Like the fake Arnold. Schwarzenegger was the one where he is kicking the pillar and the dust was coming down. He thought that guy what. What. Something like that. The raiders yesterday, at least Jon Gruden said that they're not tanking. Right. We're not saying you think you think I get up every morning, four o'clock, come in here and not win game. He tried that whole thing to see if people were going to buy it. I don't think the tanking distinct that he put a team together as God awful, and he didn't do it delivery to lose games. He did it to try to say, I'm smart and what I'm doing and it's backfiring on him. And so people are looking at it and saying that he's tanking because they're not very good first part. Yes. Second part, no, yes. He did what you described, but the reason he did it is because he needs everyone out that could possibly have steel in some of his shine. If in fact the raiders get, but he didn't do that in within mine of tanking. Sure. He did. He had to get him out. No, absolutely. I you on the same page with Gruden, but there's, no, you can't. Honestly tell me the Jon Gruden thought they'd be a better team without Khalil Mack. It's impossible to believe it's not impossible leave if you're believing it if you so wrapped up in your own. Itself. I don't wanna say delusional but wrapped up in your own self and you believe which selling other people, and you really good salesman his believe what they sell it, right. I mean, they really, they buy into it. No good salesman makes you believe what they're sitting by, but they gotta buy into what they sell to make you believe it's a good product and that's what he did. He tricked himself the believe it getting rid of Khalil Mack, everybody would say how great I am. Hey, how great of a genius I am. And at the same time, everybody would say that Khalil or I'm hoping that Khalil Mack doesn't turn out to be the Khalil Mack. The ways plan now, because then I would look great by getting rid of him. That is the way he thinks trust me, we had coached. We coach Dungy here earlier and Koji said it would never get rid of Khalil now. No, he understands that. Don't you even told you co Dungy is said to us. I wasn't a problem. No set you Keyshawn man. He wasn't a pro, but Jon Gruden wants people to believe that things are the problem. Not him. He's the problem. Jon Gruden I agree with that part. Jon Gruden wants credit in. Here's the important part no matter what. So what what what has to happen is I believe the Jon Gruden knows Khalil Mack, a great football player that Jon Gruden believes that trading Khalil Mack away was going to in the short term, make the raiders a worse football team. What he's betting on is that all of that is less important than I need to in. This is where I think you agree with me. I need to service my own ego to the point of I can't because the worst thing that can happen for Jon Gruden is, hey, look at the raiders are pretty good, and you know why they're pretty good because Khalil Mack skin after. He can't do it would he needs is, hey, you know what? The raiders are pretty good and you either good is because Jon Gruden built this team from scratch. All that is what he's doing. So it's not taking were I'm trying to lose, but I need to get rid of anything that could get any shine. Therefore, I need to go all the way down before I can come back up. That is that is correct in a sense, but he didn't think that the team would be one in five in would be losing close games in getting blew out by Seattle because Khalil Mack wasn't on the team. He never ever in his wildest dreams and imagination thought that he thought the rhythm so win. He thought that getting Jordy Nelson, this is highly thinks Jordy. Nelson is still good. I'm gonna show you. Joy. Nelson is good. Even Green Bay like minutes. Do can't play no more. He's going to prove to you that Jordy Nelson is good, and I'm getting rid of Crabtree. He's going to prove to you that my defense Castillo still get to the quarterback, even though Khalil Mack Chicago. Oh, he wants to prove to you those sorts of things along the way they go one and five along the way. He has no other choice now, but to become wholesale because he's out of that brings to this. The idea of you have no other choice they we're going into week seven. The raiders are on a by this week, but as we sit right now, the raiders comes in a great time as a twenty. They've twenty percent chance of getting the number one, pick a twenty percent chance. Yeah, that's really good that second best in the league only the cardinals have a better chance of thirty three percent right now. They're gonna play each other later in the year. Those divisions play if that's good. That's the reason is good for the raiders is because they have this draft is heavy on the defensive side of the ball at all. There's no real well, you got it Oliver, you got a machine, Gary, you got Nick bolsa greedy Williams you got, but he plays gotta get somebody that can get to the quarterback. I mean, he's been saying all along. I got a guy who find guys then that's all in Bosa. So it would seem like an at this point, you're one in six, you're not gonna wanna five. The raiders. You're not going to the playoffs. You're not winning the division Kansas City's five and one San Diego's four and to your one in fort you're not going anywhere toast. You're toast at this point. Aren't you kind of saying, you know what? I got that pick is far more important than going going to and fourteen and getting the pick is a more productive way than going seven, eight or five? Thirteen thirteen. Yeah. No, there's no question about it, but you're at a position now where. Each train guys that don't fit. It's all about you. Gotta remember, man, it's all about the eagle with him is not about the picking in the tanking because he thinks at thirteen he smart and a you picking at thirteen. No, he really, I believe really believes that I agree with you on that really believes that he just that's who he is. He thinks he's smarter than everybody. That's why he's doing what he's doing, and that's why they are were they are. The problem is the only person else that believes that smart Davis, Mark Davis believes it, Mark Davis, just put in a position. We can't do anything about it. You gave now much power to one man, but he must have believed it to give them all that money and power in the first place man do in this in this business you could be so you can be sold in this business. I don't know how you could be sold on that because, and you know this better than anybody. John gruden's career in the NFL was pretty mediocre, a special sit in a room for several hours and I'm continuing to blame haven't got hill right here. That's going to sell you. Yes, then that means that Mark Davis is he's. He didn't say Mark Davis was, I didn't say, say, wasn't nuts. If if I'm sitting in a room and I'm selling alone my agent consistently telling you that university Tennessee wants to hire someone solely. Near sucker. I was once told by Bill Parcells many years many, many years ago when I asked him, why does he continue to keep coaching? He says these owners, you know, these owners, all they care about is winning and they'll pay any type of money for guy to come in, they think can help them win. You can't help you win. Bill Parcells creek council tried the rope, a dope against the dodgers yesterday and didn't work. We'll talk about it. Next happy data, Chuck Berry berry. Thought I'd try get this HR Tim -tations or something. What is the four tops. What is this. Four and five win fire. It's like the four tops. I think our temptations or some temptation. Yeah, temptations. Thought it could get, you know, you can't give me this is closer to meet in the Chuck Berry stuff. So weird. Weird start to the game yesterday when the brewers had Wade Miley start day, had their left-hander come out, which of course means that the dodgers are going to go with predominantly right handed hitting lineup to try and counter program. The left-hander Wade Miley comes out. He starts the game pitches to one guy throws five pitches and they take them out of the game. They bring in Brandon Woodruff who is a right hander try to little okeydoke switcheroo whatever it felt like just a step too. Cute. I understand it. I understand the gamesmanship I understand trying to get Dave Roberts, maybe take some guys out of the game at worked. If you wanted to get David freeze out of the game. Congratulations use exceeded. But it felt like the almost tipping point for analytics where you're just getting a little overly cute. It did get overly crew. Cute. It did not work out the way at the envisioned it. They still lost a game and. You know, I don't really understand the unwritten rules and all that baseball because they change them seem like every every damn game is something else in ending any. Oh, you can't slide, can't do this. You try to tap TOA guy who's on the bag and all this, but it's okay for manager to play okeydoke gains with the other manager in their line-up court Ida. I've never seen it before the first time I ever seen it. I didn't understand it because at the time that I was headed to the game mean headed to watch the game, I didn't get there was a new pitcher. So by the time I got from the new pitch, I'm like, they chased him. They chased him out that fast pitches. What happened? He walked guy, they're not having it. So originally, I thought, okay, they're not playing around. He walked to do today out, but then come to learn. You know a few minutes later that they was doing this basically to play the games and Doak in John's lowlights. John's who's been, you know, John Smoltz. We all know who he is an even. He at the beginning like, wait what? Oh, it. It took everybody a half a second to figure out what they were doing. And once they did it kinda made sense it just like you said, it didn't work. It didn't catch Dave Roberts by surprise areas talking about the whole Miley for one batter deal. Obviously, our lineup today was different than the other lineup when we face Miley. So you know, you got to prepare for the unexpected. So I like where we were at, Dave Roberts probably had that Moe's like, wait, they're going to pitch you from, oh, they're going to pitch him in game, six, fine, fine. I'm going to keep rolling my team. I'm gonna keep doing what I do and it didn't catch him off guard. Yeah, because he probably not that he knew it was coming. But once he realized, oh, this is what he's doing. It wasn't that impactful? No, it wasn't, but they thought it would be. They actually thought it would be impactful because obviously, you know, they're down at our last however many people left in the dugout, then you have to start rotating and pulling them in and move into your lineup accord around again. So they thought that that was going to be effective and it did not turn out the way to envision. I'm going to sound like an old man here for half a second it. It wouldn't be hard. It just sounds so stupid that we, we need to get back to some sense of these are my eight best guys. I'm gonna play these guys, whether it's a left hand or right hander and I understand the dodgers matchup and they play the match game, but dude game's been going on for years. This isn't. This isn't. We've got openers to. Now we've got a guy that literally pitch to one hitter that it's I understand. It's been, hey, it's the sixth inning. I got a left handed batter coming up. He's hitting my right handed pitcher. Okay. East to do, and then it got to the point where we do that twice in an inning, and then it got to wherever you inning, you're mixing and matching now support. We're letting guy pitch one batter. Yeah, links. That's what y'all too much. But that's what benching. Iraj analytics. They shift the shift infield take everybody, move them all over to the right field. They're going to fix. Everybody goes stand near. They're gonna fix that. Seriously. They have to fix that. But that's the defensive game. People seem to think that works based on the numbers that some little dude of stairs glasses tell them to do. It does work. I mean, I guess if they didn't work, it didn't work. When was it? Buehler? Was it? Who was it? Cody Bellinger who was over? I feel somebody did work up one. Nothing works one hundred percent of the time, but it works more often than it doesn't work. So they do it. Yeah, that that that's how it's going to be. It's going to be a situation where it baseball's going to have games that are played two to one over and over and over again, you're going to have to, you'd have to sit a rule where you can only have x. amount of guys on one side of the field. Why? Why is that bother you? Because I wanna see runs. It's not good look for the game. Okay, but okay, so it's a changing lineup card. Good. Look for the game, the other it. Okay. You a baseball guy. Y'all supposedly for the for the grim Lynn's over money I wished hit the gremlins would have had a team. I would've liked to play for the growth baseball, cold, all that sort of stuff. Everybody's screaming hollers about that, but then they do this and it seems to be okay. Like to one one is little move to try to win a game. The the larger conversation is, do we wanna watch baseball where no one's on base where no one can score run in less. You hit it over the fence that I it. That's the conversation that needs to take that that'll happen down the road. What happens next is game six in Milwaukee against Wade Miley who's gonna start back to back games and the dodgers are in a great spot. They only need to win want it to. I would suggest very, very strongly. They take care of business tomorrow because you don't want to go into a one game situation with the kid. Pitcher game seven is not in in the ideal situation for the dodgers they look and get it over with and game six view be on the mound tomorrow. All in, like you say, they'll be going up against the pitcher at it. Technically, if you wanna call it back to back seat, aren't great and game too. I mean, you know, Miley pitched really well in game two in, I'm sure they feel good about him pitching really well and game six. But the problem is, is our bats are alive now. That's that's. I believe they're not home run stuff that you want the bats or live singles, stolen bases, advancing runners that's alive to me in week. They'll do that again tomorrow night. They're going to do exactly what they've been doing in. They didn't change what they went about their approach. They still struck out twelve times in eight innings, twelve times in eight innings. That's a ton, and it wasn't it. They were in there stuck out this same guys that have been striking out the whole time the same guys that struck out seventeen times the night before what happened was is code to hit on the few times. They did make contact. They happen to land in places where no one's standing. That was the only difference they didn't on the air. Hit, but you're change their approach. They didn't change their approach. They went after the exact same way. The result was different, but the approach was exactly the same. How was it a pro same result because ever swing in the bats the exact swing in order to get a hit. You gotta swing the bat, get stand up there and hold a bet. This is right. This is impossible. I think you're right. Yeah. Drives you and convince me. Yeah, me. I'm gonna get a hit by just standing up there do now. You've got to swing the bat to favor just you don't have to say it for anybody. Listen, just wink and let me know that you're kidding. That your kid we've been doing this show for three hours thirty nine thirty nine minutes and fifteen minutes. I don't think you'll get it. Just just let me know. Just just I three hours thirty nine minutes. Honestly, think that they understood that the home run ball is not going to win them to gain. So you figure like Dave Roberts because they kept striking out, obviously game before seventeen twelve times seventeen times the game before in eighteen innings. But is that swing foot offenses or taking pitches that you'd probably should be swinging at taking swinging for the fences you offensive? Yes. See, I think you get a couple of foul balls. You take a pitch that you shouldn't be taken a wide striking out. Run the triple drill and good bunting. Well, Kershaw did a good job on the trip. Kershaw looked like he was about to die. When he went, I third than they didn't send going around happy birthday to Chuck Berry do what he plays whenever Kershaw pitches. Tammy wynette. You like Tammy, Wynette key. I've never heard her. You've heard this song. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because of all the way through I'm giving you credit Kershaw got to third and look like he wasn't what a great lead. Third base next to fake. Like he had a good league. He was trying not to have a heart attack just root from first to third on the on the ball and the gap. But I think though an series, the dodgers can continue to do what they did yesterday pitch will by creating some office runs as well. Then you'll get review and six innings or so. Then you can go to buy is you can go my my Dan, if you bring somebody else in at that point get to kenley, then I think that that will be what you need to do to move onto. I'm claiming Boston and right now because they're up three one just. The boat Boston road trip to Boston, win win. Does that series? Will it actually what's the date. Probably middle of next week, Wednesday series game sevens. Middle of next week, what she go get ready. Got someone layaway out there. All right. Yeah. Unlike yellow cheese had the, he's going to win the MVP. He's been pretty good. That's our. It would be the biggest threat. We figured one through three that would be Kane, yelich and Brahm the biggest threat to dodgers pitcher, it's actually been six, seven, eight going last night's game. They were hitting three sixty eight and had most of the rivers and home runs. It's almost relaxed little bit after you get through that bronze been good yelich what is what is one fifty so far? Spent one fifty three for twenty. All right. So tonight in Portland LeBron makes his debut regular season debut as a member of the dodgers in Vegas has are the Lakers I should say Vegas has the Lakers with an over under win total of forty eight and key. Now we're talking about seems load in the. I still think the Lakers are somewhere around fifty. They got the best player in the league. And this is a team that when thirty five last year, but they didn't have LeBron they didn't have Lonzo for thirty of those games. Ingram abetter coups Moby better. I think they go over the forty eight at first glance. Yeah, you say that slow specially when LeBron team, and I told you when LeBron's I went to the Cavs the first time it was a plus twenty. When he first went to the heat, they were plus eleven to the cast the second time to replace eighteen but put that in perspective. One reason that might be so low tonight's game in Portland, right? You looked at at that schedule. Okay, man, Pama going good. Start their underdogs the the Trump lasers are three point favorite, right? So the same Vegas that gave you those numbers of forty eight or saying game like today in the west, and this is the difference we talk about going up to Portland place. They've had issues with they are underdogs now three point, seven tonic a lot, but Vegas smart money is saying, hey, they are not expected to win this game. Yeah, I think the number though you go back, you said, what was it plus eighteen for went back to the Cavs the second time. Second time, if member my photogenic memory. Looks by the way. Ted fantastic falling on Instagram, but I think that's more Representative of what we're gonna get rather than when he went to Miami and they went plus eleven because with plus eleven. This was a team that had doing way this is a team that was not a team that was a bad basketball team, the Lakers one thirty five games last year. That's not that's well under five hundred. I think it's more similar to what he did when you saw. In Cleveland where they had a great player and Kyrie, but the team was not good at all. Not good at all. I think this is what the Lakers are, where they have some very good pieces. The rest of it, they went and fixed the rest of the with guys, like McGee guys like Rondo. I think it's going to be a much bigger job. I don't think it's going to be a subtle, five, six, eight game jump. I think it's going to be closer to that twelve fifteen or higher. I, I agree with you there. And this is one of the younger teams as the youngest team he's played with since his rookie season with Cleveland. So young team, he can mold a bit. I, I just can't imagine a Braun team edition to brought him going less than twelve more wins. No, I'll give it twelve more. No, especially if Lonzo stays right ones of Lonzo thirty games. I mean, that's that's what is that forty percent of the season? Yeah, that's a big chunk of the season that he wasn't there. You look at Ingram undoubtedly is going to be better coups undoubtedly is going to be better. Heart is better the pieces that they've ad I don't. I mean no disrespect of the guys that were here last year, but Rondos better than anybody that that was the insurance if lines isn't right. I didn't want to catch up with that was the insurance Beasley these guys that can step in and and get you some buckets along the way they're forecast number six in the west on another. One of these metrics at feels low too. I think that they get that first round at home. Well, we saw one of the teams we expected at a Houston. They add up to a slow start last night, especially with Carmelo luck with that. We got see Denver and a tough match-up against the clippers. Apparently they play here in Los Angeles. That's what I heard. Gotta don't. That was nice, but. Yes, they're gonna. Gold state's gonna separate. Houston will be all right. They're gonna win. They're still Utah. Okay. See those. They need to be better than one of those teams between Utah and. Okay, see, they need to be better than one of those two first round series at home. That's all it has to be this with time for our bit of the day. Of the day that bit at the day, the bit of the day is driven by lawrenceburg Los Angeles on the sunset strip. Why clip genius on. Travis knows that gene here. Can't carry it today. Gene. Travers. I just say why cliff? I don't get into all that John gene. So. I don't like. 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Jeff Calaway Ken Burns Country Music Part 2

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Jeff Calaway Ken Burns Country Music Part 2

"Hey sweet baby don't you think maybe we could find some brand new your cooking I can remember that iconic cover and Ray Charles cancer big wooden thing and there are always albums on there and there was always music playing and and she loved uh-huh love and you you know in my mind but I've never thought about that when it's I really think you'll you'll want to hear the first part before you get to the second and here we go I thought it was fascinating here is part two of Jeff is discussion about Ken Burns. PBS Special Country Music if you haven't because I never thought about that Modern sounds of country music was an album that I remember seeing my parents have the first episode stop go back listen to yesterday's episode and then come back because you wanna hear Jeff has so many great insights he charles got total creative freedom the first thing to do is the do of album of Country Music Chet Atkins Those backup singers I I would love some day to hear a stripped version of that with out accurate is that by grandma one of her favourite albums you know she you know and again I mean he's covering Hank Williams and and all of this great I think again I think that great artists just brought up another thing that I thought was great Chet Atkins rate executive don't as a fantastic Asiatic guitarist truly a hall of fame contributor to country music how do you start eight minutes but what are your thoughts on that well my first thing and then yeah the modern central country music so much she loved Ray Charles so much you you know that kind of That Nashville found that's crazy right and I'm sorry I keep not asking you questions I making really amazing people and another story that I did not know is who they are I you know I'm not as I continue watching and then they mention a little group called the Everley brothers and I I remember huge I think I talked about this before with you actually bet she had this gigantic stereo that took up a whole wall it was uh-huh from Gram Parsons Buddy Holly every brothers Emmylou Harris Ricky van Shelton Little Jimmy Dickens you're like holy Moly end and they start writing a couple songs for them and if you go to their wikipedia listeners and that was you know what what he wanted to record and I think it's really it's it's very cool you know no chuck Berry looking at himself as a country singer and I think that these guys they just appreciate art and I think they don't see there's a free hey good lookin' Dot Cook it's just a wonderful kind of discussion of 'cause everyone's heard about the brill building and John Rose or boundaries they see art and and you know like Johnny wanting to do Gospel I mean I thought Carol Kane wrote a lot of songs vase guys are amazing they yeah you know years ago all everything could do this and then to hear Nashville's versions of that was pretty amazing kind of skipping ahead I've always been a fan of a lot of people that talked but Vince Gill I've always loved his this story of him being offered to tour with dire straits and Mark Knopfler and saying no you know proud of his parents and the his mom was ambitious wanted to win and his dad loved his mom and so police in Boudreau Bryant. I think that's how you say blew Dro Brian back and they're they're they're showing the story and you're like well I don't Fleece F. E. L. I. C. E. AM Boudreau B. O. U. D. L. A. X. Bryant the amount of songs Oh was a fascinating story yeah I had no idea I that I had never heard that before I knew the I I loved my dad loved Johnny cash and Merle Haggard both in fact I guess you know just like mother may be able to being there for Hank Williams and being there for Johnny and and being there for Ted Atkins they seem like listen to Johnny Cash for my dad and the rising for you know just because assign eleven but I did not know the amount of rebel the extreme cash was about the for the downtrodden With mother may have on the Carter Sisters right I love their loyalty to him I mean wasn't that cool Oh yeah audience knows the songs so many bring them and then you know in the process of getting a new audience too so well and wisely nick but but you know they they just came across as just your normal next door neighbors and started reading about him he really is this amazing man who who was always under you know and that's why it worked together I am glad you knew the story because I didn't and I thought that was we are yeah so yeah ten years after nine eleven so I always who you know there was nothing about them that year ago Oh my God either two of the most incredible songwriters in the history of outcasts at the time I mean I you know and and then to introduce the world to Bob Dylan and too by the way the next that was my parents music that was my grandparents music and that is one of the I've shared on nine eleven my dad died on nine eleven twenty eleven and so closed didn't grow up with him very much in my life but the one thing that we did have in common was johnny cash and like I said when the kid and that's probably why I don't even know but you there used to be the Nashville network right yes and There was a thinking Bobby Bobby bare had avoids Was He did a on a Brian Wilson Tributes special ones he did a great version of some beach boys songs and to hear him you know you and your dad could always talk about you know Johnny cash or music and and that's that's a beautiful legacy for if you like if you wanna you gotTa have to and it's kind of really cool the way that they took care of one another they won and You Know Linda Adores the song hurt you know she just she's a big their son was on there talking about it and he was a really good interview you know he could tell he was really talk a little bit about your feelings about Johnny Cash and how they showed him in this he they're talking about my dad and I couldn't talk but we could always talk about baseball you know and I kind of have that feeling where the have the story of his record company dropping him is first off you're going you know when he's made that much money for you you just you just let him do whatever he wants to do till he decides he doesn't WanNa make records anymore and then to have him has such a reason and these you know he he really stood up for kids who were who were dead urgent with the American recordings is such a powerful way I mean it is almost like a movie that I don't I don't think that race Charles thought I'm really going to break a lot of barriers here by doing this idea I had no idea but yeah these phones are really great and I don't know music countries but but music and they're they're an amazing story aren't they yeah and they had this the joys of win a Guy back into bruce or not when I got into and got back into Johnny Cash on the right side of so much history where there it was state of Americans whether it was prisoners the Vietnam War go ahead no I I I just think that there's the line in city slickers where some of the you know polished as it was news to hear his voice and maybe some of the instruments the best with me but I do I love that album I think what's interesting about johnny sue like he was kind of Struggling during that period of time before the American recordings they very cool yeah yeah I'm sure a lot of have a lot of those recordings from bootleg floated around through the years have you heard the The johnny cash album Johnny Ninety nine Shirley Rides you know I've been everywhere man I've been everywhere hey porter hey porter and she just you know a shell with songwriters and I'm pretty sure that that was where I was first introduced to them I remember seeing them on there on the national network and I think it was bobby maybe he is that gets about personal life that my father and I weren't fan of Johnny cash anyway and you know she has all kinds of cash on her I know her phone now what used to be called the ipod right and so I think about you know hearing hearing Bruce it's interesting because Bruce was such a so ah we're GONNA have a fictional ending to such a great life yeah what Go ahead I think so I work on every line until their to my total satisfaction I iphone to be as good as their a pretty cool right bootleg series with Bob Dylan is going to be His recordings with Johnny Cash Johnny Cash and Carl Perkins so Oh okay I think I'm more thorough than I ever was They take me longer to finish in the fifties I would lead them exactly as they came to me but now aware of the competition of writers like Bruce so you don't stop John His around the pool is this whether beautiful faith you know America right there and we are really really fortunate it's spring things the kind of songs such prolific writer against us has got a lot to do with it when I was in my twenties and thirties I was riding more it's not that I don't have the inspiration is just that when I write some no he during that time covered colon and Rusty Cage United Sales Buddy van he came all do thrown from Mixing Tango Bruce decided very young and his life to not indulge in what a lot of rocks fans also is you know hurt when that came out and then Johnny Johnny died at seventy one group the seventy and you look at Johnny and just a tour for granted because you know this may be it so yeah exactly I mean we are blessed that for whatever reason MANKOC cash the life love and faith in American legend by Steve Turner and Johnny said I think springsteen says it better than any of us he's the mess Nebraska and then you know he was like okay this is somebody that I can get into I'm GonNa read you this quote I was looking up from there's a book called the as a tier fairly but I didn't know that he had been offered that job it would have been really interesting to see what would have happened and how career would have gone And I I remember hearing after he had died I Rick Rubin Reading Rick Rubin interview and he was saying that for a long time that he would still he would here ars indulge in you know in in it's almost I make the argument it's almost in in defiance of really made me appreciate Bruce so much especially with the tour coming up you know of telling Nancy you know we can't take this next got a gun shot at night now the all in Donnie nine down at the town when you hit almost like a perfect johnny cash song I would agree with you up until his father and not wanting to be that and so we and he's loved exercise and take care of himself so he looks amazing wrong and write it down for Johnny the cover even after Donny had died one thing that did make me sad thing to perspective I think for us boards where they act like you know they just take everything for granted but but seeing that it it did you know I guess being such a what two thousand six when the live in Dublin Album came out and I feel like Bruce borrowed from John she comes to shove I would probably pick johnny cash's highway patrolman over Bruce's it would be close but it just seems love him he was listening to Johnny while making a Nebraska and then with Johnny Roseanne gave Johnny Seventy though none of us are guaranteed a you know a time but I do appreciate that elway's down nonce Joan Lon good fluent by Johnny Nebraska influenced Johnny himself you know I think that Bruce was Dan you gotTa Watch things through springsteen limbs but there was so much of that towards the end of the theories that just break your heart watching Johnny Age but it did breath and also there are not many songs that I prefer cover too but yeah that's very cool and Johnny love him so much like you brought up I've been everywhere the great kinks no song and I think the checking like the here it is going to be really really cool I'm not saying I do have those I'm like I understand what you're saying well in then seem Kundun cold long short we rank easy dribbled down UH my street Angela ask him what is strange in all unique phone from the nine downing hands to have now I'm still writing great works of art you know we have western stars and it's funny to me like I read on the in our birds sorry Tina burn bags number interesting to me is the Merle A and Bruce Connection and how Bruce I would've loved to seen one and not that it's I've not criticizing it I'm just saying it would have been comed- there so Merle Haggard and Bruce I think it's so you know the whole combination thing I think that's very try sometimes and I just you know how much fun would it be to hear the e street band rip into a collection of you know a certain Merle haggard will they closed down the gladden wildly Leffler outlook arrangement. Okay Yeah I really love my name's Julie I the seeger sessions were amazing but he banned you go hank Williams sessions Johnny Cash Bruce purple rain version after Prince died and when you leave on yeah he didn't do one in they did think about and their upbringing and and creating who they became it's interesting to me that that bruce an amazing to see that criticizing either I think it's interesting I wonder if it's almost like they're hasn't really covered him very much and I I don't I I really don't even have a point here but I mean having no I'm right there burnley frank ever since he was young it when David Bowie died he did a yes David Roy when Glenn Fry he did an Eagle they did the great we can cut it like lines are very blurred is it more and I know but I know he's talking about Mama tried before yeah but now he hasn't cupboard a Merle haggard song and I mean he's covered paint he's covered on he's he did long bell that great you know let people prevail and then Johnny did and the band but it's interesting to me because well I would do it because I love him so much I think he is again more than anyone else he's the the voice sure so close and a lot of ways that maybe he just thought well you know I I don't know and and maybe it's just the thing about Merle to can we talk about him for oh absolutely anytime have you on just to do a whole Merle haggard episode you know no need to catch those songs because but you know I mean having him do if we make it through December holding next together I mean the the ashamed for both of those artists and that it really under cells who they are and right and the likely of what they wrote about but it is a major part of the man turns that version of that song yeah but I'd the common man and country music and but he wrote he's really really complex songs as well Like I said Johnny Cash Hank Williams songs I you know can we drift off into that for just a second your because I think that that's something that's really NASA being a brand new car automobile all the Hale that's holding things together and if we make it through December make it through December I swear to you I if if I heard that right now I would cry if we make it through Decem everything's going to be I don't know if you've ever checked out the coast cocaine and rhinestones podcast okay so David Alan Cole's son Tyler Cohen and there is an episode it's episode and I don't mean to hey decem wouldn't even thinking back home oh number five breaking down Merle Haggard Okie from Muskogee and it's a whole episode that explains how Zuber Wing is seriously as good as it gets just that song kills me and I all brilliant who did write about the downtrodden and you know I'm so glad that before he died I got to see Kris Kristofferson that the kind of transcendent I mean he's country through and through without doubt but he is just a you know I think like Okey is a hateful slur that there is a good chance that borough was doing this tongue in cheek what ever that song is you know those are like that some of the bigger hits because I do think that he was really sensitive songwriter because growing up the way he was okay was like the n word and so giver and I see the falling snow if we make it food December you got plans to be in a warmer town come summertime maybe even California that that transcends this is good as anybody is going to Johnny Mercer as good as as Bob Dylan the factory and their time is not the greatest in were I say I just thinking of sing me back home makes we tear up we could yeah And Hey Merle Chris Christopherson and johnny like their songwriting to me is there's a level of maturity there and Willie Story of how he you know whether it's true or not the idea he was so depressed he got on the and so I mean that's something that came out in I think seventy two somewhere around there about an interracial relationship so he he really of unknown been working on it Christmas to be arrived for that is middle of the street and go ahead and run me over and then finds his voice is just amazing Vinh when it became a hit he kind of well I guess I'm going to double down on this so the whole series is amazing they yeah I agree I'm GonNa flip to Um Willie Nelson being part of this was pretty special and his cover a lot of Tom t hall and other stuff but that is worth I I'll send you the link that's worth listening to phones so mature and simple but but you know there was a song called Armagh Jackson have you ever heard of Jackson before have you heard that and the Patsy cline and him doing that and I don't know if it's true or not but the story and Gordon he must before with Bob Dylan to be just he was amazing that night but he's one of my favorite artists and I think that there is something about Sir I'm GonNa come up with another thing like that and once again the crazy if we make it through December wheel beef got laid off down it is made I had never heard that story okay I never heard that story before either and he really is an breath on the ticket talked about this and junior in them all said that maybe they're exaggerating but you know the radio executive the out of the so you don't know and then of course becomes this huge it stays on the charts almost two years and it is a modern classic Rate Record Company executive when Willie put in red headed stranger and they said this is this is junk it's not gonNA sell tackled pretty heavy subjects and You know it's the same like OBI from Gogi and if you don't like it leave it oh this sounds horrible it's barely a demo but I tell you what we'll just put it out to make him happy it'll bomb and then we'll listen to more of US moment when everybody is covering nightlife yeah everybody know absolutely king L. I mean on and on and on right live you know like don't fail that dog really hang onto those yes see how there has to be ah you know it's it's just amazing and he I do see why he would be depressed I mean he his a probably in an Merle haggard play basketball with strangers and Out Merle opened up for Bob Dylan and he wanted people Merle haggard wanted people to know Willie wrote that Song so I think that I I I you wonder how much of that is retroactively how much did they really hate it or did they were just an on it but that makes a great and and he has to be like what the hell you know like I'm never going to make it my chances of adult away from that big yeah because he's had she she's she's not had she is she's been able to make her living but she's never had a massive you know who was official Texas musician several years ago and she writing about women writing about love the way that they wrote about it is was revolutionary at the time and So yeah I to thought no one's GonNa remember me nobody's GonNa know that I wrote all of these songs I mean his his name is not even on Family Bible is other Texas musicians covering her songs and the all the money would go toward a fund for the state legislature nothing it's just an honor we gave you and so she got together and created organ national hit but you know she's done well but when she was this selected she's like well what are what am I supposed to do he's the person isn't he just watching that every time where you're like no we really don't Family Bible and sounding story well you know I think that was billy Sherrill who said that right I think that it was talking about I get the feeling that he doesn't suffer fools he didn't think he'd remember but he did and he says win am I supposed to be in the studio and she told him and they called I'm very much in the Nashville sound so and and you have really going often in making this album for four thousand dollars in Garland pointed and she goes to bed and she wake up the next morning and she shows up the studio and Willie's already accorded to a true Texan and and again you know like he and Chris to bringing this whole level of maturity to Songwriting Guy and you're right just how wonderful him being a Texan Zeke education in the state of Texas and She had reached out she had met Willie at a party and she goes hey I loved all that I I never heard that story though I thought it was hilarious hilarious he lived in my My friend Sara Hickman after being in the bus all night driving now it isn't like he was in the back seat of a car but still so just a true great if it or at least it wasn't very long time that's why Merle haggard recorded that song introduced it as the song was written by my friend Willie Nelson he the studio and if you do a search for simply by Willie Nelson that's him recording that takes and he said you know darling I said it was going to be here and I was and he drove all night in the bust of make it I mean there's so many stories with really and you know they didn't even cover him being sold happening sheets and beaten by one of his you know on and on and on Alina I gotta tell things away yeah it is so I tend to believe I what Gordon saying that as far as you know that yeah you know maybe Mike I'm going to get the story wrong but they got stopped by the police or something and there's no way he's GonNa make the studio and she's just so distant have we not covered that we should cover Jeff well one thing we did not talk about a couple of we not just you know maybe in an altered state that evening that I've had the man that's a great story I'm the Texas musician I was the one following you and I'm going to do this collection songs which you WanNa perform and he goes oh sure Darlan and then she coast to it so I'm sure that they were like oh they're old really you know doing and it's not gonna work and so they probably did thank you know after this discount embellish that a little bit but I definitely think that they because at that point you know billy Sherrill was making these great Tammy Wynette and George Jones songs it's hard to tell again where the let ends with him I don't like I there's nothing that I'm happy about that he's wrote to album sales and so she was smart and calculated it so you should check that episode as well through I've kept you over an hour I I know my son's going to be here soon to get ready for the cowboy game what I wanted to finish it but that same series he spends it episode talking about the pill and Flower were all mine too I want you to finish your thought but I thought and I can't remember who said it but they talked about Loretta Lynn and Tammy Wynette Zik and they're never band and that women doing anything controversial will get banned and his point was Loretta knew it would get banned and she knew that Talk About Loretta Lynn we need to talk about Dali and you know she's Loretta Lynn is also an amazing and how controversial that basically the hypocrisy that men can sing whatever they want go ahead you were talking about Dolly Parton next another you know an artist who who stay true to herself songwriter and while everybody was becoming more and more polished in the Nashville Sound Loretta was staying true to herself and You know bragging these in Raleigh both gifted songwriters yeah they wrote each other's lives songs sailly yeah I thought that was really interesting percents fall for you never felt this way before because he's small and have it was Nah someone els maybe he'll call back and right it's something good we can you know give them a five hundred bucks for he'll sell it that'll be fell for time so in many apps this call wjr sitting around the campfire and all of a sudden my wife goes wait a minute he did is my wife we we go camping every year and we play a lot of music every year and he he had undergone and every single and I did before we have that is I think a wonderful story some letters buys in nineteen sixty two she so she does from the Bab he had aw really Frank talk about mature song that nobody else was talking about and it had the guts to put out there so I'm always I'm GonNa stop you there any male songwriter are anybody in any other genre I I think the cheese they br seen all all dressed up to go uh-huh brilliant artists they wanna mention her and then and he stopped loving her today I think that song as in the field position right now if I heard it she food and really I mean they're in the period there that they talk about where she took over the world you know and and been you know you talk about songs that I went to see you just ooh Mama sue she sewed it not as many letting her today with the song that we would play a lot and about the third year that we were playing it we were out at Possum Kingdom the lake and we you know we the break my heart mini colors that's on get me and Emmylou Harris version of that song also would have meet sprawled out on the floor you have put away about closing the Reimann I just knew in my mind the greedy folks forget their roots as that was in my UN educated mind you know and like Oh you put the cover the Grand Ole opry along with other artist get together to restore it and it's now in its you know it big six flags type park so that you can make a lot more money and it could be this fancy hotel and they totally He stopped loving yes continue please well I do you like Oh my God this is the status ever written or like I know so even more he stopped loving as I love that and I think if you know there's great great pure country music that was being made then it it was falling apart and then I went oh and then when you hear that the Grand Ole opry shun their raisin Open up this Oprey Land Park this you know eh first time I'd seen him smile and put part of the stage on there but you know they just truly forgot and then when you hear it had no air conditioning is restored in modern glory I kind of like okay that's Kinda cool well in trouble they had you know with George was at at that point that he was thing another meal that Christmas helping make it through the night and on Dacian of of who he is and the has people like Jason Isbell and Amanda Showers and rain all the highway high women you know the and they did across the border together and I just remember it was a wind kind of blowing toward her it was like interprets Bruce in Patti better than any lou and I I saw her play with Bruce at giants stadium in two thousand three and that any Lou recorded unite the Ryan when she did her live album kind of bringing things full circle she often does the Orion I know it's the coldest time of winter and word because we had been fans of the TV show Nashville and when we went to Nashville we had you're talking about this for I did WANNA share Linda when we're watching this says I wonder if they'll mention the able to piece this song together and it became just one of the best one of my favorite songs ever made I think I thought that was really cool on her part to spring that back I didn't know at that point that was that album was the first and you know and that's any lou is also one of my favorite favorite artists ever I don't think anyone August so one of the things that I really loved about the series is I did not know the full story table in between them and so and they do exactly what you start Carly Pearce with starter song then Josh Abbott would do a song then alison belts would uh how many with carly pierce a singer name Allison Velz and then a guy whose name I don't remember and uh she's good a couple things on her mind we knew we had to go to Johnny Cash Museum and and we're GONNA try to get tickets to see a show at to a song and then this other guy would do a song then Carly Pearce we'll do a song and they all just rotated for like an hour and a half they did the Blooberg and we're able to do both and the night we were at the Bluebird Josh Abbott was there they continue to be made down started offensive came out and it is it is not a country album that had that and delicate it's ingrained in my memory forever but I don't know I don't know what I feel like I've seriously we I was just like the show talked about it they were in four chairs facing each other so picture at four top in a restaurant but no I that that people weren't playing at the Reimann at that point because now it's such a cool venue and they have so many artists there so imagine because they just had their guitars and they really did feel like they're in our living room just I wasn't that drunk which was on the radio at the time with Josh Abbott Band with Carly peer singing and it was as a magical night as you can aw setting interview that they did not go to a lot in modern country Chris and I judge he was he he made a few missteps Not Bad enough to be you know a solid they are big fans of Brad Paisley I I don't remember how I found Brad Paisley but I ended up buying all his albums show up and sing with him like when he did the when he was touring for the rising he was here in Alice Don Henley came in and saying I fought the law with them that was my first springsteen show ever and I really wanted someone that is one of our special memories of we we got to see like we've never seen his show at the one nine from Nashville just to come out during an encore and I didn't care who it was like Rosanne cash or you know I was slightly disappointed instead of I I give it ninety nine out of one hundred instead of one hundred I so wanted someone to country Western singer but you know Kinda Minor League he had made a few F ups and and he was just like oh my life is over and I played by the way I was at that show too I had driven from Dallas I wish you'd been friends then we you know road trip but was anyone that you felt got shortchanged or anyone that you were disappointed that they didn't talk about more he I know he's to modern but I would've loved them to interview him for him to be able to speak because you did the a rolling stone cover and An Elvis cover right they probably the burning satisfied yeah he has such a love of little Jimmy Dickens and he has such a love of classic country I would have liked to hear him talk not necessarily they and so the I two thousand twelve Oh yeah I believe so Chris and I've done road trips to go hear him when Chris was struggling as a freshman in college and Yeah I've been to the country music call saying Oh yes yeah really really well done land of hope and dreams and I played him Brad Paisley's a letter to me which has a line this is nowhere near the best years of Your Life Angeles California based I thought the same thing now that you mention I totally agree Love Glen Campbell uh-huh and we we want to but that is something we've remember pretty strong have how about you have you been in Ashville have you done any of the tourist thing anyone and we didn't and it was still a great show I just I I was greedy I want to just a little bit Nashville right one of my regrets is he was at the He was at grand prairie a couple years before he died I had Glen Campbell is a really good I was really happy that Charley Pride got some love not only and then and then I know we need to wrap this up but did was there anyone speaking of disappointment in the we've talked about how amazing the the theory for him how `Bout You Well I'm a huge Roger Millar Fan and they did talk about him but I've been this is just a selfish I would to Waylon Jennings certainly Willie Nelson and so that would have been nice to see it I'm glad they got that but yeah I think ticket and I worked all day and and felt like I was getting down with a cold and I had a slight fever and that was going Campbell I was really surprised that they didn't talk about him more because just like Johnny he had a you know he had a prime time surprised that they didn't talk about him more and I wonder if it's because of his connection to the wrecking crew and he was more lawsuits really there's an show and crossed over into mainstream and the people that he played with because huge cowboy ranger fan lives in the metroplex are used to so I was Kinda Getting Dallas got a little love their way a Linda was worried they weren't going to talk about the Louisiana Hayride because she and her her parents would go there some time I'm gonNA quit grumpy now they they did it so but she was ready to be very unhappy anyone else you thought you would have liked for them to come the the Texas singer songwriter having town's kind represent that group I was really happy about and I just I just didn't go and now I'm like suck it up Jesse big deal you got a fever you should have gone singling Campbell could've heard them talk about him forever Tom T hall as well but

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45. How to Free the 90s Bitch

Unladylike

48:38 min | 1 year ago

45. How to Free the 90s Bitch

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You know, Tony Morrison and Alice Walker won Pulitzer prizes for women's centered fiction. And it just felt like women were ascending. Lady. Nine. Right on. Hey and welcome to lady like the show that finds out. What happens when women break the rules? I'm caroline. I'm Kristen and Caroline you. And I have a lot in common with today's guest. Alison yaro. We all grew up in the south in the nineties with all of its girl power glitz and butterfly clips. But we were also kind of sheltered from feminism, and that sense of rising gender equality with, you know, like women go into space and making waves in politics arts culture. Yeah. Like, I did not know until talking to Allison the nineties were supposed to be the so-called decade of women. Yeah. I hadn't really thought about it either. But a few years ago when Alison started taking a closer look at what was happening for women while we were girls what really went down during that decade of women stunned her got really excited to say like, oh, look at all of these. 's major news stories that were really about women and the closer. I started to look at all these stories, I realized that the major stories of the nineties. Yes, they were about women, but they were about making women into bitches almost every last one of them and that was shocking. Alison, deep dives into that shocking discovery in her book, nineties, bitch, media, culture, and the failed promise of gender equality and Allison's book really couldn't come at a more relevant time considering Caroline. We are barreling towards twenty twenty like it's nineteen ninety nine from chokers, clueless, fashion and cassette tapes at urban outfitters to women like Anita hill, Monica Lewinsky and Lorena Bobbitt back in cultural conversations, like it's all about the nineties these days. Yeah. So today Allison's taking us on a kind of feminist nineties. Nostalgia trip to reckon with that recent history and the women who made it all. Find out why the suppose a decade of women become all about the bitches and what can nineties bitch affiliation teaches about American women today. What is the most unladylike thing about you? Well, I mean slopping somebody in the face is pretty unladylike. So what was so offensive that Alison slap? Somebody will be word. That's what the first time. Someone called me a bitch. I slapped her in the face, and I was a teenager. I was young teenager. And you know, I think we were at a party where people were drinking, and I just I had such a reaction to that word. I knew that it was like the worst word that you could call a woman and just reared back in slapped her in the face. And you know, I was so ashamed I felt like I had violated the code of femininity by resorting to violence. I didn't realize that the time but looking back on that experience. It was clear to me that I had really internalized perfect girl narratives and nineties bitch affiliation. What else? And means by nineties bitch of occasion, is the way the media of the day. Twisted practically every headlining woman into some kind of bitch and understand all this. We've got to look back at what the decade was telling and selling both, women and girls. Yeah. Because they were very different messages for girls. It was all about like, Lisa Frank stickers. Maybe watching the craft at sleepovers or playing a little game called girl talk. Played win playing girl talks to his more sophisticated. The game of truth there day. Gross. Never take ticker. Okay. So that commercialism from nineteen ninety-five and by the end of the nineties girl talk had been taken over by girl power or do. You mean, go power what kind of kid were you in the nineties, and by that I mean, which Spice Girl were you inch Spice Girl. Oh, that's so good. I wanted to be baby spice, but absolutely was not baby spice. I read teen magazines like teen and seventeen and YM. I wasn't cool enough to read sassy it hadn't reached me and making Georgia. But you know, I braided friendship bracelets, and like courted, Victoria, secret catalogues and really was seduced by the myth of the perfect girl. That was pedaled everywhere in the nineties. Did you have American Girl dolls? I had Samantha manza mantha. She was perfect. Right. I was going to ask how how you would describe that perfect nineties girl. Maybe beyond doll houses the perfect nineties. Girl was thin. She was blonde. She was white. She didn't have any flaws. And so that that kind of girl was really, pedaled and magazines. She was who use Aw, wearing the clothes in the dealers catalogs, and in the magazines, and she really was someone who seemed to achieve perfection without any work. Alison, I was just going to ask you if the perfect girl was Delia 's same model Sam because I distinctly remember my introduction to the concept of Thyge app. Coming through the deal is swimsuit issue and seeing all of those thin. Girls and looking at my own body and thinking, oh, no one of these is not like the other. Yeah. That really resonates with me too. They really were very thin, and, you know, those models and models in most of the teen magazines. We grew up reading they didn't have bodies that were diverse. They didn't have roles they didn't have Seig apps and real women have those bodies in other words, girl, power promise that we could be anything we dreamed of. But what that perfect girl ideal looks like in the media was very white thin economically advantaged in the perfect woman ideal looked pretty much the same except nobody was encouraging like woman power. So your book is called nineties bitch. What does bitchiness have to do with nineties women in particular? It's so funny when I am introduced to people when I when I talk to people about this book and people look at the title immediately. They say, oh, I'm nineties bitch or sometimes. Men will say, oh is that about my ex wife? So 'nineties bitch. The bitch part of it is not actually a reclamation of the term the history of the word really reduces women to their sexual function two dogs and heat begging for men in the nineties. The word bitch was pretty universally used to malign objectify and dismiss women. And if it wasn't the word bitch. It was absolutely. The suggestion of the word bitch. It was very clear or as Allison writes in her book quote stories of notable women from the nineties almost invariably suggests they were sluts whores trash proves Rodham maniac. Sycophants idiots frauds emasculated, nutcrackers dykes. And suck. You buy. Yeah. Was settled saying a bitch by any other name so women during the nineties they were often referred to as bitches four taking up space for being people that were reported on that was enough to render pretty much any woman bitch. The only difference between them was what kind are. All right. Caroline's oh, there are a few major types of nineties bitches that Allison's going to introduce to us because bitch affiliation was a real shape. Shifter? It was pretty impossible to escape if you so much as step to pinkie toe out of your lady like lane. Yeah. I mean, according to Allison women could get slammed as bad mom's damaged goods cat fighters. Double bind bitches and the villain slash victim. So a first category, the bad mom. Allison says is basically the woman who's trying to have it all by any means necessary. Someone who is perceived to like saunter off to a high powered job wall leaving it to, you know, domestic workers or other women to do the work of motherhood of raising their kids, that's sort of the bad. Mom bitch. An important piece of context here is the nineties when the number of working women peaked in one thousand nine hundred nine sixty percent of American women were working and believe it or not that number has never been as high sense. But the higher up the umbilical ladder mums climbed the more sexist scrutiny awaited them Allison's case in point lawyer Zoe Baird, she was nominated for the president's cabinet. She would have been the first woman attorney general had she not been felled by nannygate. So she was nominated and. Then it was revealed that she had paid care off the book, she hadn't paid taxes on her child care or Zoe Baird isn't been trouble. She'd been rightly radio. Rush Limbaugh shared his hot take in nineteen Ninety-three. She hired some illegal aliens to take care of her kids. Now, she only makes six hundred sixty thousand dollars. As Cokie Roberts have ABC says she had the best line that kind of money. She could hire Mary Poppins. What does she out there? Was really striking was that. No other cabinet member or nominee had been asked about their child care decisions at all none of the men, and then we come to find out later that one of the men in the president's cabinet had actually also paid a domestic worker off the books had not paid taxes. Just like Zoe Baird did but he was able to keep his position and she wasn't nominated at all next up. We've got the damaged goods bitch. These are women who start out innocent at girls and wind up tarnished by overt sexualization drugs or mental illness think Princess, Diana. She not only committed the ultimate Royal sin of divorce. But in nineteen ninety five she went public about her experiences with eating disorders, depression and self harm during her marriage, and that kind of openness might be appreciated on social media today. But with that interview Princess Di was recast as conniving blonde. Bombshell less Royal, but no less my fav-. There's damaged goods bitch Fiona apple. She was you know, someone who because of her controversial music video in which she's kind of riding around the carpet, not wearing a lot of close their accusations in the music press that she was bratty and entitled and she was making child pornography 'cause she was barely dressed. Here's FINA being interviewed on MTV in nineteen ninety nine people. Think of you. Depends on where they were looking if they were going to a lot of shows and not really reading a lot. Then they probably had a lot true or view of me. What was the wrong headed view of you in your mind that I'm just like a sad Brad with no sense of humor. You know, what she was actually doing? She wasn't being sexual. She wasn't playing to the camera four the male gaze shoes. Shaming the male gaze with this video. She was saying how dare you look at me when I'm like this, you know, she had been very forthcoming in the press with her own experience with eating disorders. She told a music journalists about being raped self harm and eating disorders really came into mainstream consciousness in the nineties as sort of the primary afflictions of that perfect girl dealiest model ideal. But sometimes the violence was more public which brings us to the next bitch category. The cat fight. So do oh who get caught up in fighting each other. Instead of you know, the patriarchy and the most iconic cat fighters the nineties were none other than Olympic ice skating. Teammates, turned enemies. Tonya Harding, and Nancy Kerrigan and the story of Tonya Harding, and Nancy carryanne is that they were both figure skaters pursuing you know, spots on the Olympic team. And Tonya Harding was accused of hitting Nancy Kerrigan with a club and running away. I can't believe it. I mean, why does someone want to discredit me? I mean, will you ship rich? Some of these ludicrous is totally ludicrous. Has been Jeff dilly and bodyguard. Shawn Eckardt, we're involved, and she knew it. She admitted it just days later. I have no knowledge. Of the plan to salt finance Kerrigan. When I returned to that story. I had remembered that Tonya Harding, actually, hit Nancy Kerrigan, which is not what happened at all. But I had remembered it as Tanya hitting Nancy, and I think that's because the narrative around them in the nineties really just desired the catfight, Nancy. Kerrigan was also bitch applied to because when she won the silver medal in the Olympic Games that year, she was accused of losing gold. You could tell she was visibly bummed out to win that silver right as well. Yeah. And she was also caught on a hot Mike at DisneyWorld saying this is so dumb. This is so stupid when she was in a parade during a parade Kerrigan complain to Mickey Mouse, it's so corny so dumb. I hate it. We have an attitude problem here. So there was actually like if you can believe there was actually a column in the Washington Post. The headline was is Nancy a bitch question. I should find that. Because my mom's name is Nancy. Okay. So that's bad. Mom's damaged goods and catfights. What's next? The double bind bitch. So in one thousand nine hundred five researcher, Kathleen hall Jamieson coined this term double bind to describe the patriarchal catch twenty two feminine gender roles and ambition. Yes, thank Janet Reno. Marcia Clark like any woman reaching for masculine coded power had better TOA feminine line or risk becoming the alternate. Double bind bitch will Hillary Clinton's. Original sins were really in the nineties. I think the way that we have come to think of Hillary Clinton dates back to two things, and it's really her sitting next to her husband in nineteen Ninety-two after the Super Bowl in a sixty minutes interview defending against charges of infidelity. You know, I'm not sitting here. Some little woman standing by my may and lactate me wine it I'm sitting here because I love him. And I respect him. And I honor what he's been Hillary Clinton made this Tammy Wynette comment and people really didn't like it. They didn't like the idea that she wouldn't be sitting next to her man like Tammy Wynette, and then just a few weeks later. She made that infamous cookies comment a reporter asked her about being a professional lawyer. I suppose I could've stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfill my profession, which I entered before my husband was in public life, and that became the sound bite. There was much more that she said, but that little snippet became the soundbite and people were angry that she would shirk her domestic responsibilities in pursuit of a job her sort of make some voters uncomfortable. I feel that she's the power behind the throne. She's very aggressive woman. She's overly ambitious Carolina. I was totally aware of all the hill. Lary hate as as a kid. But of course, I wasn't aware of all the sexism behind. Oh, totally. It was the same in my house. Kristen and y'all when we come back we've got one more bitch category to tell you about at includes many of your nineties faves. You have been described as a Bimbo a stalker. Seductress Barbara Walters with Monica Lewinsky a woman, guaranteed a place in history. Don't go away. Support for today show comes from third. Love third. Love uses data points, generated by millions of women who have taken their fit finder quiz to design bras with breast size and shape in mind. 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We're back with journalist and nineties bitch, author Alison Yaro and y'all she's got one more bitch category to tell us about. But first Carolina we've got to make a detour and explain a little bit about the sexist soup that all these bitches were swimming in like, I think it's pretty clear by now the nineties was a contradictory decade when it came to women because you have both girl power. But also all this bitch backlash right? And Allison says that there was one key ingredient in that sexist soup bitch. If occasion was able to thrive in the nineties because of a very unique and profound media revolution, the twenty four hour news cycle so during and after the Persian Gulf war. There was this new infrastructure for storytelling that allowed the networks to tell the story of the war and to build an insatiable audience that could watch it all the time and many. Of them soon realized that it was far cheaper and more desirable even to cover Hollywood and politics and scandal than it was to cover war. It was this relentless around the clock. All the time story X rated an extraordinary. That's the way it's been all day long with millions glued to their network bosses. Couldn't have program the soaps with more gripping daytime with charges of sex lies and audio tapes. That's why we remember the bitch if occasion of nineties women, that's why their stories are just lodged in our consciousness, it's because he watched their stories for days and weeks and months and sometimes years, and that was really knew at the time. And we still haven't fully come to terms with how influential that was and how that shaped all of our. Our lives and understanding of these women and ourselves there's no better slash worse. Example of the power of the twenty four hour news cycle to bitch affi-, a woman than what happened with Monica Lewinsky fifteenth nineteen ninety five and that day, he found yourself along with Bill Clinton in the chief of staff office, and you lifted the back of your jacket, and you showed the president of the United States. Underway. Where did you get the nerve? Don't. Well, when I I found myself alone with him. I was I was very nervous and having small talk. And I remember thinking to myself. Okay. Well, this is it if this is going to happen. I mean, maybe should let him know you're interested. So I saw I blurted out. I have a crush on you. Just you. Yes. Would you think he's a good kisser? This nineteen hundred nine interview between Barbara Walters, and Monica Lewinsky is still one of the most watched TV interviews ever. Yeah. For comparison more than three times as many people tuned into it. Compared to Anderson Cooper, sit down with stormy Daniels and Carolina. I totally remember that Barbara Monica interview. Like, I wasn't allowed to watch it because my parents were totally scandalized by anything in the Clinton orbit. But Monica Lewinsky was practically all anyone was talking about and revisiting now the way she was openly slut shamed. Fat shamed. In vilified in the media. And really across the political spectrum is kind of a stoning and Kristen the vitriol spewed at Monica wasn't lost on young Allison either. We looked at someone like Monica Lewinsky and saw a woman young woman who is Embiid and bright and had a really covetable internship at the White House who was. Being called a slut on, you know, mainstream TV news, and in magazines. And so I think many of us myself included looked at her and said what what will happen to us. If we behave in ways that are similar to the ways that she behaved this whole cautionary tale of Monica Lewinsky fall squarely into our final bitch category. The villain slash victim. So these are women who are making headlines for violent and or sex related events. Women who are in reality victims, but get portrayed in the media as the villains. And so many of the heavy hitters from the nineties fall into this category, Anita hill arena Bobbitt, and the frankly unsurprising thing is this trope also shows up in Hollywood. Oh, yes, film after film hit theaters with a leading woman who was sexy deranged and not taking no for an answer. And she was Glenn Close in fatal attraction, I'm not going to be Noord and Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct, I have nothing to hood. And to me more disclosure, don't tell me you're scared of me and the through line for all of these characters is that they were manipulative and vindictive and potentially violent or actually violent and they were hype. For sexual. So you saw these these women, and they were often, you know, pursuing male attention. They were looking for sex with powerful men. And if anyone got in their way, they were going to get cut. There was another term for women like this. It was used at the time to talk about not only these fictional characters. But also women like Monica Lewinsky and other real life villain victims making news that word Arado maniac. Colloquially known as love sickness a rod ammonia also made it into the DSM the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders, you know, the book mental health providers used for diagnosis. So okay. I had never even heard the term Arado mania before I got a hold of your book. So can you tell us what Arado mania is like how was that term being thrown around? Arado mania is a delusion a rare delusion disorder that really only applies to women suspiciously. It's when women are perceived to be. Obsessed with a man in an erotic way. And usually this man is someone who has more power or stature or money than the woman does. And so she is perceived to be kind of pursuing him for sex. But in the nineties really around the time that the film fatal attraction came out a Rodham mania began to sort of make its way from you know, psychology, this rare disorder in to the kind of mainstream consciousness because Arado mania was then also called fatal attraction type. And so you began to see women who made the news who appeared to threaten powerful men with their sexuality. Accused of being rata maniacs. Even though they had no real medical diagnosis. Yeah. It sounds just like it's another way to call a. Minna bitch. It's another way to dismiss women. But this time they're not just some, you know, bit choose maybe shrill and cold hearted. She's like over sexualize d- pathologists. He's a psycho bitch. Yeah. Absolutely. But what did it had this way of turning victims into perpetrators and perpetrators into victims? For instance, Monica Lewinsky's lawyer believes she was a certified Arado maniac who is suffering from an obsessive schoolgirl fantasy with the president. But before pathologising, Monica Arana mania came for a Nieta hill a moment when the term Arado mania and Arado maniac. Sort of saturated the consciousness was in nineteen ninety one. During the Anita hill hearings. When Clarence Thomas was nominated to the supreme court and one of his former employees Anita hill charged him with sexual harassment. She was called in a row maniac and the Senate Judiciary committee, actually engaged psychologist who his name was park. Dietz? He was very popular psychologist at the time. And he was the one who sort of suggested that hill wasn't Arado maniac that perhaps she had pursued Clarence Thomas sexually. She was interested in him, you know, sexually and he was not interested in her. And then later Clarence Thomas is wife, even wrote in people magazine that she thought Anita hill was a fatal assistant like the kind. Fatal attraction type, but but her husband's assistant is this where we then get the infamous description of Nita hill believe Penn by David Brock of a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty. I think it's certainly derivative from Arado maniac. Sexual harassment isn't about sex, but because need a hill was charging sexual harassment. She was accused of Arado mania. And I think it's really interesting, you know, Arado mania why is it such a gender diagnosis? You know, there are plenty of delusions disorders. But why does it sort of have to center around a woman's relationship to a man? And why can't it why can't men be diagnosed with Rodman ah, but the definition only applies to women. Do you feel that lorraina Bob it fits into the Arado maniac narrative? Yeah. Lorraina Bob it made the news for cutting off her husband's penis. And throwing it out of a common dough charged with maliciously wounded her husband John by cutting off his Pena's last June. We're in a Bob claims constant physical and mental abuse by her husband, drove her to an irrational impulse to harm him at this morning. Imagine the story really centered on the penis, it became a story about how men should fear women because women were actually perpetrators of violence, and if Lorena Bobbitt can do this to John Bobbitt, you know, you better sleep with like the covers really tight over your head at night or your wife's going to come in with a knife. And do something similar that was the that was a line of reasoning that you saw often in the nineties in response to that story. What lorraina story really was was a story about domestic violence and marital rape. Which many folks the time didn't even think existed the penis chopping happened after she had endured six years of cereal abuse in nineteen Ninety-four Virginia jury acquitted lorraina Bob it, but it's taken twenty five years and a new. Amazon documentary series for her narrative to be debate, you fide and publicly redeemed. So what do you think about Llerena baba kind of re-emerging in our cultural awareness today anytime that women from the nineties can have an opportunity to return now and be part of telling their own stories instead of having their stories just told for them and told in a sexist racist way and told wrong, it's absolutely progress and lorraina Bob, it is absolutely. I mean, I had lunch with her. And she's just a fascinating warm articulate person. And we really did not understand the contours and depths of her story in the nineteen nineties. I mean, her story is an immigrant story. You know, one of the ways that her husband, supposedly, tortured her is by threatening to get her deported. And she didn't know that. She didn't know whether or not he could actually do that. And she's she's so amazing because she's really out there sort of talking about all of these issues now, and she even is an advocate for domestic violence victims. And she's using her platform to know to reach people and to teach about domestic violence. Why? Now why I mean aside from some sort of cultural ninety is revival. Like why? Now, why are we talking about and redeeming women like Lorena Bobbitt, and Monica Lewinsky because we are just beginning to see how poorly they were treated in the nineteen nineties, and I still believe that we're doing too much sort of individual redeeming and not enough looking at all of these stories together. I mean, it's the same tropes over and over again. And the similarities are just so shocking that we have to look at all of these stories together to have a better sense of the narrative of sexism. And misogyny that shape the nineties, and that really still shapes our present moment. 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And I think it was it was really upsetting to kind of have to relive this through brick Cavanaugh and Christine Blasi Ford when we had really already done this in nineteen Ninety-one, but really people had forgotten. And so for them, I think, you know, it was one. Of those moments where you think you think gender parody exists, or perhaps, you know, sexism, doesn't and it's a real moment of of reckoning and of sadness that there is sort of a deep sexism and misogyny that still shapes our lives and our reality. But for Alison all this nineties bitch vu started well before the cavenaugh hearings. I was writing the book in tandem with Hillary Clinton running for the presidency in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen and so in many ways as was doing this research and finding all of these interesting new narratives, I was thinking to myself. No one is going to think that we need a history of ninety sexism now because Hillary Clinton is going to become the president of the United States and gender parody is going to be achieved. So it's going to erase sort of all of the history of sexism who is going to need. Understand this. And then when she lost, and it was clear that she lost because of a number of factors. But one of them was certainly a rival campaign of crude sexism, it became even more important to me to get this history. Right and to share it as widely as possible and Caroline, this is exactly the kind of history that we do need to have in our sight lines, and in the mainstream consciousness as much as possible as the next election approaches, it's a really interesting political moment for our country as we gear up for the twenty twenty election and the ways that the six women who have presented themselves as potential presidential candidates are being treated really echo the way that Hillary Clinton was treated in twenty sixteen and in two thousand eight they're still this sort of likeability gap. Cap. You know, this this sort of a morpheus idea that women should be likeable. If they're to be elected. It's still applies today to come on a Harris and Elizabeth Warren and the women who are out on the trail. One story that comes to mind is Senator Amy klobuchar alleging that she is, you know, horrible boss to work for and the response to it. I've heard has been both. That's totally sexist men are not covered this way. And hey, you know, what like how you treat your employees matters. And you know, women should not simply throw down the sexism card to deflect. What could be valid criticism? How do you strike that balance between not wanting to rebuild defy women and also leaving room for valid criticism of women. That's a really good question. Because just because sexism exists it doesn't mean that women are perfect or should be treated as such or held to different standards. But we have to recognize that when a story comes out about a politician like Amy klobuchar treating her staff poorly, we haven't you're right seen other stories about male politicians treating their stuff's poorly. And so when that's the case when we can see that women are being covered differently than men. Maybe this is just the twenty nineteen version of writing about women's clothes and hair and makeup and not writing about men's appearance on the campaign trail, we now know that that's incredibly sexist. We didn't know that so much in two thousand eight it's sort of had to be pointed out, and we had to learn that then we know it now, maybe this is a new version of that. When's the last time someone called you a bitch that you're aware of? At a book event. Yeah. So I was I was doing a book signing, and it was it was a rough one. I mean, they were just there. There are a lot of people who really weren't on board with what I was trying to communicate with this book. They didn't really believe sort of the bitch affiliation. Premise they really did believe things like Monica Lewinsky is to blame and Anita hill pursued Clarence Thomas sexually and was denied. And these were the kinds of lines of arguments that I was hearing. And yeah, there was just there is an older gentleman older, white gentleman who came over and picked up the book and looked at it. And it was like what is this? This is like right about yourself. You know, kind of that that I can't remember exactly. But it was definitely like he was like, oh, man. He's actually calling me a bitch Tam. Yeah. We're not quite there yet. Are we like in terms of? I mean, God anytime either a Monica Lewinsky tweets or be Monica Lewinsky's name comes up. At all in any capacity on Twitter. It is still the complete split between people who are glad that. She is resurfacing talking about victims rights, bullying and people who say she needs to sit down and shut up because she was that temptress back in the nineties. She is such a litmus test. I've done probably thirty book events every single event. There's at least one person who raises their hand and says, you know, I'm totally on board with everything you're saying, except I don't believe that Monica Lewinsky is victim. And I'm never going to believe that she was victim. So you mentioned at that particular book signing hell, you know, some of the folks were just kind of not getting it just in general, how has the book been received coming on the heels of the metoo movement and hashtag metoo people women are looking for ways to. Explain an understand the sexism that they've experienced in their lives in it can be helpful to look at a history that tells a story of sexism and to plug into that and say, these are also ways that I've experienced sexism in my life. What have we learned from this feminist nineties stall trip with Allison will a don't get blinded by girl power? There's probably some more insidious stuff underneath the surface and be don't take n the gender progress for granted. Yeah. I mean, the need to continually smash the patriarchy is so real, you know, and we saw this to in the back story of Alison writing nineties bitch because similar to how coming into the nineties people assumed it was going to be the decade of women leading up to the twenty sixteen presidential election. Alison, like a lot of us was assuming that we were simply on the cusp of making this gender progressive move to finally elect our first female president. And clearly when we start taking a quality for granted. We're just setting ourselves up to discover. How much more progress we still need to make sorta learn more about nineties bitches? Don't forget to pick up Allison's book, nineties, bitch, media, culture, and the failed promise of gender equality. You can get it online or anywhere in stores right now. In the meantime, tell us as your perception of nineties bitches changed over the past like well ever since the nineties. 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#22 John Prine 1997

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#22 John Prine 1997

"Welcome back to the Tapes Archive podcast where. We release interviews. That have never been heard before in this episode. We have the great singer Songwriter. John Prime at the time of this interview in Nineteen ninety-seven Prion was fifty years old and was out on tour with the band. Most Lobos in the interview Ryan talks about his record label. Boy His Indiana connections touring and is yet to be made do it inspired by ourselves Known a Rainbow against-all-odds anywhere the big door Music critic Mark Allen at the helm conducting the interview. If you'd like to support the show please like follow and subscribe to us on facebook Youtube twitter and instagram. Their post other content and information not available on the podcast. If you'd like to read the transcripts for any of our episodes please head over to our website. At the TAPES ARCHIVE DOT COM. Will jump into the interview after a quick word from our sponsors. The tapes. Archive is proud to be sponsored by the true crime documentary. Deadman's line around trying to get a shot at me. I can go down. Nineteen seventy seven. Tony Koets is kidnapped. The mortgage broker and held him captive for three days of the first time ever the media was able to cover the event live to some. Tony was a hero. Do others he was a crazed son. Deadman's line the true story of Tony. Jarrett says this award. Winning film is available exclusively on Amazon Prime. One last thing before we get to the interview the Tapes Archive. Podcast is a proud member of Cyrus media community connecting passionate fans with podcast and experiences about artists and topics in love. Thanks FOR TUNING IN. And now it's time to open the vault pretty good. I'm late we're kind of on a move you're not Airport yeah well for Friday telephone. I've been walking around process. Twenty minutes per phone. Yeah well not a problem but I thought I was just sitting here thinking you know. I didn't think this interview was ever going to happen now. I know it's not you call. Yeah I know it's just that you know I not only At donut see many interviews with you. I mean I can't even remember ever being offered an interview with few saws real excited when they said that. You're willing to talk to my right that you don't do interviews very often. Just don't do them unless you know unless we get like a like a new record out after know. Yeah 'cause Just hardly ever do because I just don't see my than I'm always worked out good but I. I can't really see the reason why I think that the thing you know. Okay well try to make it to miserable for You know these days immune responses I hear people raving about your music as always I people are always talking about you as a businessman and oh boy and how how great this is and it is oh boy a panacea? I mean this is the perfect the perfect thing for you. The as opposed to working for Major label it is. I never really had any of the horror stories of the like the bands and other individual artists had on a major label. I it's not anything like that. That's why started. Oh boy I just come from a working class background. You know and I couldn't really to work. For Warner Brothers. What could they do for me? You know like nothing because then money before I make and I just didn't see any sense it didn't make sense to me. You go after all you have to do is go through it twice. I went to Atlantic and then I went through it in an asylum for three records and I knew everybody I knew it all the problem and look like a new faces. They just changed suits and change Labels you know and there's always a guy that's hanging out with you know Tonya. Like each gonna freely tell them what the stuff is about the label and then there's another guy that obviously doesn't know you the guy working for him so like the only thing he does is tell me who you are. You know like you know just couldn't go through it again. That's not really I didn't want it to affect me making music and still but I I have a way to get my records out. Even though the records were the main thing with me sick during would have made more friends by by Going around and playing in a club or something or concert hall the records You know just kinda big it out there. And they're self supportive definitive paying for themselves and they they sell slow. Insure like jazz records. Do Yeah but you know. Everybody says when they're talking about you businesswise. They said well you know he gets to keep five six bucks a record comparative to the average artist on a major label. Mike at a dollar. Yeah true but to make it to the bank. You know we're doing. We're doing good right now. and pickers not a good time for independent labels lot emerge get rid of fallen are getting ready to because all kinds of thanks mainly the distributors get bought up. And you're doing good if you're supporting yourself with an independent label right. Now you're doing excellent and I'm sure there'll be better days and everything but we're doing all right. We're we're staying above water and everything's working. We did spend more money on his last couple of records and they sold more but we were able to get played on radio and stuff. What are you typically selling now? Actually Lost Dogs did oh lost dogs. Bit around. Three fifty years was around. Four twenty now the Laverick devout right now is showing slow. But it's good. We can't really tell with a record like tells been out for a year in the bottom line on. This sounds great. You get to keep more of your money. You get your artistic control. And you don't have to answer to the to the major labels truth and are there downsides to this and on top of it like The you're a all the stuff on the road. I it took a while to catch up. But because of the excitement and Sean the records This has been great. You're on a road all the places I've gotten better. The jets rooms could prettier. And the money's just thought double. Wow so like and that's all I'm sure a cumulative thing of what we've been doing over the last five years with two records and the Constitution and everything stay the truth mark. Things could be a great time attack. Got a great home life now and I'm enjoying the shows and Everything just fine you know. Great do We haven't really announced because we have all the participants. But I'm I'm writing for my next record. And then meanwhile I WANNA do do ads record me. All girls like doing sheet song. Wow and WE'RE GONNA RAISE. Start on it as early as next month. I just haven't got everybody as from ballistic girls are GonNa do it during the country's chancellor talk to you about doing so But that's kind of what I'm working on now other than that. I'm going to start Christmas shopping. This is great. I really good just spent six weeks with my family in Ireland. We had a great time. Watch from there and Sala relatives shirt off the babies all over the place. Tv's got a son who slugged Suma and all that happened to an power man. Okay ask one of the question about the label and that his body. You think more people having done what you've done and then would you advise them to do? Yeah would Tell you we seem to do the perfect time. It was just You know we we thing about the mid eighties is when we started boy the reason. I say it was a perfect time. 'cause things are different now like it's even harder now What I tell people to do if I was going to get hit by solid like familiar with dead reckoning will. I think it's good to right now. I think things are so tough that people need game together in order to start something and it also good for the music. It's good for everything but four or five hours together under an umbrella and go into war that way you know I actually I mean this is pure experiences come up in conversations that I've had with John Mellencamp and I've asked me to why don't you jump Ryan does and I think it's just? He looks at as a too much work. Not Really And it's a lot more satisfying even for the for the people that do the actual day to day work which is all and denies that you make a little move in an independent thing and it's a big thing it's a it's very satisfying to everybody. Do you know what you're and we've had a Lotta a whole lot of helping. Novoye see particularly from the from the media. You know everybody was really behind one hundred percent for the get-go when I decided to go into You've got a lot of Indiana connections. You assure got a guy right now from Blue Jason Wilber and he came David Steel Got Jason. When David went with Steve Earle and I got both of them from Larry Crane so I the Mendieta connection and then John Mellencamp but I just go up there around the mid eighties done. It was just before I started. Were maybe I just started it and go up there? Sa- John and I could write something and just hang out you know. And he introduced me to a lot of people around there and Larry's not with you now right as a Larry. Crabb Larry. Matter of fact Larry's taken he's Kinda abstained from the music business group out a year. He's gone out with a race car driver really. Yeah how man. I had no that who who is at the show and produce him and get him and Eddie plays and you had the role in the mellencamp movie to right throughout the song and yeah and stuff. So yeah it's just it's weird here in Indiana connection all over the place. I was reading up some of the things. You're press kit which are cut interesting and one of the things you're saying there. There was that guy at the post office at. Don't take your retirement pay because you'll be back story the sport and I wondered. Did you take your retirement package? Yeah you did. You don't understand it as a business workout. Ain't coming back here. 'cause we asked me what. I was going to do like why was leaving. That's it will. I'm going to play. The Guitar Sang for living. He looked at me like you might go spread wings man. Don't take your take your time and I said why so you'll be back because there's no you don't understand that I come back here and did you Do you ever see that guy again. No no he's back there next parcel post. He's probably saying Chom pride he'll be back. It has your career gone you expect against the dead. Never have much direction with ever wanted to do is work things around pretty much where they're today like going out really enjoying being there and enjoying doing this show and join the crowd and having a A personal life but equal and that and no bills man. I don't think what else today I mean. The the cars all look like shit so I don't want to buy a car out there and I and I like what you said in the press kit about people. People have the mistaken impression that you're angry because you never became a huge star. I'll tell you I really like playing about no more than four or five thousand our and unless play the laws only hold eight hundred nine hundred and they're beautiful they're plays they're made for music. You get bigger than that. You're playing in the sports centers you know designed for their coup six of a basketball guitar. I Dunno I guess there's a lot of money and everything but it takes a lot of money put on a show to keep the guy sitting up in a balcony satisfied. I hopefully like the state you right about round where besides place and I'm playing you're playing a four thousand seater here this time as that's comfortable for you. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He really seemed to have to have retained or kind of like working class. Roots and attitude and stuff. How did you do that? We'll just never good bye into their husband. Stuff was it was it. Was it ever tempting. not really no. There's no one sex sure good particular. Okay have to move to three more minutes express. Okay Twenty six girls that all right thanks. Sorry no not a problem. This you know of listening to the to live which. I think sounds really good and just throwing realizing that that a lot of your songs just have really simple messages. That speak to people. I mean the the the get right to the heart of people's lives is that I don't know few make a conscious effort to write that way or is that just what comes out a lot of times if as long as seems to be saying anything it's usually springs out of me trying to explain something to myself and I guess I must like things in fairly simple terms so however long it takes me to break it down to that Some of the steps also the subject matter is not something you want to make a big flowery speech your best you WanNa Kinda cut to the heart of the matter and get it over with and Also like their answer is I don't know you know I mean I don't know anymore about right today than it did when I picked up pencilling twenty five years ago. It's still when I finished. Look right and everything that I got on the show right at the time. No idea how to do something that just comes and goes but a bus. Come naturally or it's an interesting way to live your life. Just walk around and think about stuff and that type of music here or interested. Yeah just kind of get a hold of you know and you go for it and Maybe it comes out in the form of a song and then when you sing it to people and they react. The way you do with your. I got this emotion. That's amazing it's amazing process sensor really happy and things are going really well right now is a good time for. Songwriting are probably be right now. Liberty Dude I saw. It might be time to take I and be loose socks for a little bit. You know I'm much too. Happy for for suffered songwriter. Probably be writing a different person and What you're here or between any new songs. We are called the guy next door like a series that poor guy and our idea of do songs that you're going to be playing this time. No I'm just working on stuff right now. Kinda pretty crazy stuff usually easy. I wait till I can figure out a reason for right now. Finish it present and you have an electric fan with your age and play some electric. Someone could've said Yeah. Yeah Okay we do a couple of hours and we cover all the years pretty good candidates out. Can you say who some of the people you're these again for that? So that's why I kind of feel a little premature tone. You better kind of that I can't really say the people on the person I can say. Is Iris. Dement 'cause we've always said a date with the other people to talk to their record companies and find out if it's possible and everything so I got A. I got a pretty big list too because I figured somebody can't do it. For any reason we just keep on moving Like saying Oh boy girl thanks and some of them will be achieved as long some of them. Just be love songs. Because you can't cheat without love you know but I always liked the interaction and socks you know like where the girls think something and then the boys except and then they think together. Wait sitting on this for years and years bigger. I might as well do it now. Do not ain't GonNa do it. Is it new material or cloud classics like George Jones? And Tammy Wynette and Loretta Lynn and Conway twitty stuff. Wow okay is it. All country Most of it is on my pick one. I got an idea. Big One broadway. Show tune to big production. Such file. Any idea what might be no. I'm working on all this and the producer and Precious few other people know about it just But it is getting underway within a month so we will be like a more information on seven couple of weeks. Once it gets more people committed to another Indiana connection that I don't know if you're aware there's a there's a four women Capella Group in Bloomington called Fida and they recorded a first set. Angel from Montgomery had album which I hope you get to hear it and it is just stunning. Got Me about these BLOOMINGTON. Yeah I don't know I mean the songs already been done great but you know a couple of times but this is just an unbelievable of it. I think I'll get a hold of one call. Vida Vida D. A. Okay Yeah and let me see just to one or two other things I could. One is for another story. I'm working on. I've been asking everybody I interview. If you became the overlord of Pop music. What would be the first thing you would change will is the first thing I would change per spending with gene? I'm trying to make it a positive. Oh man like everybody would be off much together through the great man boy. That's true isn't GonNa go course and your plant here with Los Lobos like that idea. That can be great. Yeah out of always loved. Both Lobos. Didn't tell me too much more about the GIG when they said the lowest. We're GONNA play together. Yeah this is This is like the one one show. I've been looking forward to also anything else going out with you that you want me to mention. No I can really think of it and I kinda got to start get moving. Because I can gration and everything now McKenna's okay we'll go ahead and thank you and now. I guess I'll see you Saturday. Okay thanks very much for listening to the tapes. Archive podcasts please. Remember you can always find more information about the show and the individual episodes at our website the tape archive dot com until next time. The vault is closed.

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