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Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles
"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles
"One game above 500, Michael waka waka. With the complete game shutout last night, Joe Maddon got fired. That's right, Michael waka got Madden fired. Take that. All right, let's get back to the Patriots here some quick hits about the first mandatory mini camp practice that Greg took in today. Of course, he'll have more at BSG, Boston sports channel dot com and have sure a little bit more in depth as to what he saw. But let's talk about devonta Parker. He had some good OTA practices from what you guys saw. What he do today and did anything stand out about his day the first one mandatory mini camp for the Patriots. Yeah, he didn't, he didn't absurdly stand out or anything. He did have that really nice play where Mac Jones saw that it was man coverage. You know, sort of check to and out and go. And they were on the same page, which was great to see, but devonte continues to look the same. He just looks like a mature real sort of receiver where we haven't had a lot of those in these parts and certainly his physical matchup stands out as his physical makeup stands out compared to some of these other receivers on this team who are, you know, I think on the awakened one 80 diet, there are a lot of thin guys out there, including taekwon Thornton, but you know, I think he looks good. And I'm excited to see how that relationship develops. You just brought him up. I know everybody listening to the podcast. They want minute to minute day to day updates on taekwon Thornton. How much was he involved today and did you see anything from him? Not a lot. He was mostly on sort of the scout team watching him run some drills, you know, I think they're working on his route running. I think it needs to be defined. I will say where he stands out, is once he gets the ball into his hands, he really sort of scoots the necks like ten, 15 yards, which is nice to see. And something that you saw in his college film where he is, you know, he's not afraid of contact. I know there was some discussion about that, but I don't have any issues with him in that regard, of course, no pads and no tackling. No thumping or anything like that. What was interesting is that he got a lot of work at gunner on punt coverage, taking some tips from Matthew slater and including one time he got down the field and fielded it, cleanly in the air. So something to watch for him..
Patriots Beat
"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"Isaiah win because it's easier to move his contract I think first and foremost and secondly, I have a lot more confidence in the guy they drafted 50th overall than I do in some of the options that they have at backup tackle right now. Yeah, I mean, you hit it right there. It's that big if it's that big caveat. Where's taekwon Thornton out of taekwon Thornton truly needs a redshirt ear, I don't well, I guess I, under the old system, you can't move vagabond. Because you need four or 5 receivers. If they're going to Shanahan it up, and just use three guys, then maybe you're okay. Then maybe that makes it a little bit easier. So yeah, I could see it. I think it hinges on Thornton ultimately. But I could see it. Ultimately, though, doesn't it when you say it hinges on Thornton, if all they're gonna do is have Nelson Aguilar running wind sprints like he did last year. Well, you just got the fastest guy in the draft at the position, can't he just go out there and run wind sprints. I know that's a simplification, and I'm not the simplification type of guy, but when it comes down to it, if you're just asking them to clear out coverage anyways, then taekwon Thornton gets the reps. He's got the speed. We know that. And he's a fraction of the cost. I just don't see the argument necessarily unless you're really banking on the fact that if you slow play it with taekwon thorin, you're gonna have a perennial thousand yard receiver in the long run, whereas maybe they're concerned that if they throw them out there too early, then they have, then they deter his development, right? Maybe that's the case. But I don't know. What I would say to that is, I think at the very least, even though his numbers weren't productive, I think teams respected Nelson Aguilar last year. I mean, look how different defenses looked with him on the field verse off..
Patriots Beat
"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"Going to, you know, they trade no snaggle or then devonte Parker who we know is injury. History gets hurt week one. We're all going to be talking about the Aguilar Aguilar Aguilar. So I think they're going to stick with that group. Again, I think it's also a thing where it's early, right? And I agree with you, Parker does need the reps. I still think those for you need four good receivers to get through a season. And they have those for. Like, do you kill Harry's out of this right? I think Christian wilkerson as high as I was on him last year, like maybe he makes a team as a special teams guy. I don't think he's really a major factor at wide receiver, trade Nixon would have been cool, but we'll see what he does in camp, but it feels like he's got a long way to go. Yeah, so I think they stick with those four guys. Unless, again, like you said, Thornton starts really coming on strong here. And then it kind of becomes what happened last year with Sony Michelle and mongering Stevenson where we're madre had such a good camp. They had to get him on the field. It made Sony Michelle expendable. They moved him on the last year of his deal. Like to me, that's what has to happen for them to move on from Aguilar's Thornton has to have that kind of summer. It's really tough to see them move on from Aguilar in less Thornton is really coming on because you can not count on Devante Parker for it to play the entire season. Can't count on him and I think the worst part of the Devante Parker experience speaking to some people down in Miami reporters, especially down in Miami is he always comes out of the gate hot. He's always starts the season really strong and the only year, of course, as we all remember in 2019 is the only where he actually ended on a high note as well. With that game against Stephon Gilmore and the season finale, but for the most part what Devante Parker, he's great in September. He's a great September player and then a hamstring or an ankle or something usually the hamstring pops up on the injury report and then he's inconsistent throughout the rest of the year. They need to have a reliable backup plan for Devante Parker and if taekwon Thornton's already, then Nelson Aguilar is going to be that guy..
Patriots Beat
"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"Joined as always by Alex Barr. Today is our Q&A edition of the program. So if you have patriots questions, you know the drill, go ahead and fire away in the chat and we'll get to as many questions as we possibly can over the next hour or so. The Patriots are back on the practice field today. I believe we are not out there, unfortunately, but we will be next Tuesday is the next session that is open to the media and then mandatory mini camp is the following week June 7th through June 9th. It's part of believe that we're already kind of at that part of the off season already where we're into mandatory mini camp and we're gonna talk a lot about OTAs and what we saw on Monday and what we might think we might see over the next couple of weeks and I wanted to start with the rookies because I think that that's always a fun topic and this time of year is the first glimpse that we get at the rookies for the Patriots. So we can just work our way on down here, but I actually want to start with taekwon Thornton. I think what we saw at a coal strange is more or less what we expected. We'll get into cold strange here in a second. I want to skip him and get into taekwon Thornton. We talked about it a little bit in Tuesday's show when we recap Monday's practice, but Thornton wasn't doing much in Monday's practice during team drills. So it was not injury related. He just is coming along slowly. I guess it's the only way that you can really describe it or they're bringing him along slowly. I like the point that you made about how they didn't do that with Nikhil Harry and his rookie training camp and his rookie OTAs. And maybe they're trying to be a little bit better about the development of taekwon Thornton, but what's your overall reaction to Alex to the fact that they dropped to this receiver 58th overall. He clearly has speed and things that bring that he can bring to the table that would help the offense. And they're taking it slow with him, at least to start. Yeah, I like it again. Do the antithesis of what happened with Nikhil Harry. It's true in an extent, of course, at the same time, right? They can't still be working him in in November..
Patriots Beat
"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"He's ready to take on that big of a role or will take on that big of a role is something that remains to be seen that will work out in August and September, but in terms of his developmental track, right? Like where he is in his development, the fact that they're trusting him to be out there with the starting group at times already is a really good indication that he's picking up the playbook. He's doing his homework. He's impressing the coaching staff, whether it's in the classroom, or it's out on the practice field. He's done enough to be earning those reps, which in May for a rookie that's been on the team for less than a month. That's a great sign. That's a great sign. And that's especially when most of the rookies yesterday were pretty much non participants. Right. Him and Cole strange were the two guys that actually participated in practice. At a full tilt. Relative full tilt compared to what everybody else was doing. Yeah, right. But I'm just saying the other guys Pierre strong taekwon Thornton. I've listed them as non participants. I know a lot of people that listen to them as limited. They went through positional drills at the beginning of practice and then I did nothing else, right? So those guys were really, really limited, it was nice to see Jack Jones already in the mix. Like, that's exactly where you want them to be at at this stage. Probably ahead of schedule, honestly. In some ways, the fact that he was already out there. You let JC Jackson walk, you lose Jackson and kill more last year. The first quarter you take and you can argue that maybe they should have taken one sooner. That's a different discussion though. You lose your top two corners in two years. Your top two corners right now are a guy who's probably a one guy's probably a safety. The other guy who was retired last year, the corner you take better be contributing day one. I would not say he's at a schedule. Maybe compared to their usual rookie standards he's ahead of schedule, but for where this team needs him to be. He's on schedule. He needs to be contributor this year. If he's not, you know, I don't want to play the whole go back and second guess the draft game. I don't. But if he doesn't contribute this year, that's going to be the biggest question going back. It's not going to be did they reach on cold strange. It's not going to be their reach on tack one Thornton it's going to be why didn't they take a defensive back earlier when they had nobody at that position? I wanted to take a.
Patriots Beat
"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"It. That's kind of what I want to see him do. Just go out. Is that a drew blood cell reference? Yeah, yeah, you don't know that from Super Bowl. I just wanted everybody to make sure that they knew it. Yeah, just go out there and sling it. I just kind of want and heat, again, he did that sometimes last year, but I just want to see him go out there and throw the ball around the yard a little bit. I think he'll be in a better position to do that this year. I don't think he alone was the reason that he was kind of timid at times last year, but you know, he's got the full year under his belt. I think he's built up a real good rapport with some of these receivers. We'll see how he gets going with Parker. He's already thrown with. And then with taekwon Thornton, but I want to see him push the ball a little bit more, hopefully they build an offense around, you know, they build an offense that kind of facilitates that. That's the big one for me. Just being more confident what he's doing now that he has a year of experience under his belt. Yeah, I think that's exactly where I was going to go with it too. I think it goes hand in hand with improving velocity, which I think is something that he's worked at a time, especially in the off season with Tom house and some of the other people that he's been training with to get a little bit more zip. You're not going to go. We see this all the time. You're not going to go from where he was last year to Josh Allen status in terms of arm strength. But you can improve it within the margins..
Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles
"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles
"I think it would be reasonable to expect, let's see, they play 17 games. Average average about two or three catches a game and I would expect some deep shots. So I want to see, I would say upwards ceiling a handful of really big plays for this team, certainly as he becomes comfortable as they as they go down the stretch in the season. I think that that's the reason why I wouldn't go nuts. Yeah, the Patriots put a little bit more pressure on the pick by trading up into the second round to get him. But look, they talked about. Devonta Parker, Nelson Aguilar, Kendrick Bourne, Jacoby Myers, time Montgomery. These guys are all proven NFL players. I do think it's a very crowded receiver's room. And I don't think everybody's going to be there in ago or could be the odd man out. Depending on how things flash in training camp, but they don't need taekwon Thornton this year to be great. Nelson Aguilar is not on the team next year, whether he's here or not. He's a free agent. So you're going to need to replace that deep threat. We've talked about the draft three inch and the draft are both a year down the road. Maybe this is a pick for the future, but they need a little bit of bang this year out of that buck. And I think they'll get it. I think they'll get some big plays where patriots fans get to get all revved up and think about him in the off season and how good he's going to be in year two. All that stuff. I think we'll get those fireworks. I've got two more things about the wide receiver situation..
Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles
"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles
"So now that you've had a chance to watch at least a couple of taekwon Thornton's games on film, first, just what did you see? Did anything surprise you? Was anything better than you thought it would be? Was anything worse than you thought it would be? It's interesting because what I wrote up about Thornton was almost identical to what Greg cosell did before the draft. When Greg cosell was high on Thornton and basically what I saw was, you know, the book on taekwon Thornton from a lot of guys, you know, whether it's Chris Simms or other guy. There were a lot of guys, even the guys who talked about it on draft, you know, a lot of them said, fast guy can, you know, can get you some big plays, but inconsistent catching the ball, not the biggest guy skinny guy goes down easily on contact things like that. Like, I'm not gonna blah anybody or anything like that. But when I watched him on film, I saw and I'm just gonna do my own evaluation. I'm not gonna counter other people's evaluations. I saw a guy who, all right, he four two 8 speed, you don't really see that on the field. He's not that fast. He does have the ability against man coverage really good footwork, good hand work to get off of jams. A little difference between college jams and pro jam, so I still have a question mark about that. I thought he was much better on 50 50 balls and competitive down the field than I thought. That's where he really stood out to me where there were places some of them that he didn't make, but he was right there. And he did make some play. There was one toe tap sort of fade pass where unbelievable body control, getting roughed up a little bit, and he still made the catch, got two feet down, not even the one in college. And so I really, there was a lot more there than just a straight line, dude's going to take the top off the defense. A lot more there than that. He catches a lot of in breaking routes, which tells me that the quarterback and the coaches trust him to do that in terms of his catching ability, his physical toughness, things like that. So I liked taekwon Thornton more than I thought I would on film. From the brief glimpses that I took of him before the draft, you know, but I do still to trade up in the second round. I do think that was a bit of a reach for the team. I think he could have been more of a third or fourth round guy. But I think he's a guy that can come in. He's going to have to compete. He looks like a smart guy on film. But I question how much he's going to pop as a rookie. He's going to start off being like fourth or 5th guy, give him a shot play now and then and then expand things from there, but I think there's a lot of tools there to work with. He's more well rounded than people give him credit for..
Patriots Beat
"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"They draft taekwon Thornton. We know he's a lock as a second round pick, a trade for devonta Parker. We know he's a lot just because of investment, right? Third round pick invested in all that kind of stuff. So Nelson Aguilar, you talked me off of having him as a true lock here. Because it isn't. You know, they could trade him. They could move on from him at the end of training camp of taekwon Thornton has a good camp, but I actually like the optics of having Thornton and agloe on the roster at the same time. And I'll tell you why in a second, but I want to hear your take on what else had to say today and what his future outlook is with the Patriots obviously only under contract for more years. So it's just going to be this year most likely no matter what. Yeah, I mean, I like having those two speed guys, I think they kind of do different things on the fields. I also think dort and still relatively raw, right? The reason I don't think Aguilar is a lock is because of Thornton comes out and just blows up and camp and blows up in the preseason. Then it's clear who the odd man out there is, right? I think if that's not the case, Thornton sort of becomes the odd man out to start the season and maybe they put him more into the fold as the season goes on. So I think roster Locke, like here's our judge roster lock and you're gonna roll your eyes at this, but it's true. If somebody came up to me and said, should I buy this player's Jersey today? Right? If the answer is not yes, the player's not a roster lock in terms of like investment. If somebody was like, should I buy a Nell snaggle or Jersey today? I'd be like, eh, maybe wait till the end of camp, right? So I think there's a very, very, very, very, very, very, very good chance he makes the team. I was a huge fan of everything he said today. I think he's got the right mindset for his situation, which it would be very easy for a guy like him to kind of check out right now. And he's clearly doing that instead, if anything, he's taking more of a leadership role. He talked about the opportunities that come with year two. I'm actually wrote a recap of what he said on 98 by the sports of dot com. You can go check that out, but I don't think by definition he's not a roster lock, although I think there's a very good chance he makes the team. Yeah, I think the fun thing about it with having him on the roster is they had cooks and Philip Dorsett in 2017 on the team together. But other than that, since then, I would say that they could have two guys in Thornton and Aguilar who can stretch a field vertically as well as both those guys can, right? They usually have had one guy in that role. It's been a while since they've had two guys that can stretch the field like that. You start thinking about the idea of putting 11 personnel out there with Kendrick Bourne or Jacoby Myers inside the tight end, hunter Henry of the seam and all over the middle of the field, the running back out of the backfield. And those two guys stretching the field and getting vertical, that's a pretty good amount of speed on the field. I don't know if the Patriots have had that kind of speed in a long time, probably since that 2017 season, you also throw in there and you can put PR strong on the field with them too as a pass catching back..
Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles
"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles
"Bet online where the game starts. So the Patriots in the second round, they draft after taking a guard who most people didn't hadn't heard of before the draft, trade up into the second round and draft taekwon Thornton, a tall, skinny, blazing fast, wide receiver from Baylor, who, surprisingly, wasn't even invited to the senior bowl, stood out at the shrine bowl, but Greg, this is a guy that I think you were higher on than most that you were very intrigued by watching his film. Very intrigued. I thought he was along with James and Williams, the two most explosive vertical receivers in this draft class. And I thought his track speed showed up on tape. He got on top of. He ran by corners..
Patriots Beat
"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"That skill set when we had Eric elko on on Tuesday. He was talking him up in that change of pace role, not necessarily as a guy that's going to carry the football 250 times, but some of that's going to be a little bit more of a change of pace. And the last thing I'd say about Pierre is that he's a really good spread runner, right? So if they're putting them in on second and third down in passing situations and they're going to put 11 personnel out there and they're going to spread the field and they're going to get some of their fast guys out there too like taekwon Thornton well now all of a sudden he's going to see lighter boxes. He's going to see really wide open space to be able to run the football and I think that that's kind of the goal with him is to get some more open space and allow him to use that four three 7 in the open field. So I think Pierre strong is going to play too as a rookie and think we both learned our lessons last year about writing offer mandre at this time of the year. So I'm excited to see what he can do. Let's go back to the offensive line. And talk about these guys at the end of the day three. I think these might have been two of the best picks the Patriots made the whole giraffe and I don't say that as like a way to bash the rest of the draft. I think we're kind of all over that. But just in general, I love both of these picks. I think Jason Hines is a real player that they might have found in the 6th round if he can stay healthy. And he can stay motivated and on the field he had some weight issues. He had some health issues at LSU, but you watch him. He's a really explosive player, really good poll blocker and blocker on the moves guy. Tons of really highlight real type blocks when they get him out in space where they allow him to lead through the hole. And stuber, I think is just one of those guys has some limitations athletically, but they've built around that kind of tackle before, especially on the right side where if they had to play him as like a third or a fourth tackle or maybe he develops into a swing down the road. He's somebody that I think that they could work around and scheme around. So I think both of these guys have an NFL future, at least as backups on the roster. Yeah, I'd agree. I think with Heinz, there's some guys that simply way too much in college. And they can't, they struggle to play at their weight, a guy who was like that was Michael and Wendy, and I'm not saying that chasing Heinz becomes Michael and when who owned when who played it. Did he play it three 80 in Michigan? There's only three 73 80. And I think he's down to like three 30 now and you see what a difference it makes in his game. Heinz was never A380, but he was pushing 360. I think it was like three 53 55. He's now down to three 30. And he talked to us about how much better he feels moving around with all that. So sometimes that change can make a huge difference. I like Heinz I do, I think if they're in a spot where they need to kick Michael and window out to write, tackle, I feel good with Heinz playing right garden, then I'll do my laden waddle thing again. People don't realize how hard it is to be a true swing tackle. I think he could be that. There's potentially some guard versatility as well. I think he's a little tall. He's 6, 7, right?.
Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles
"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles
"Right now, I thought they should have, they should have gone with another position. I just didn't see the value there, and I thought taekwon Thornton, who will also talk about, I thought he was a bit of a reach in round two. All right, so look, I don't necessarily disagree with everything up until taekwon Thornton that you just said. I want to make this very, very clear. If I were to give this draft a great I probably hover around a sea. I didn't love the draft by any means. But I'm going to, I'm going to attack this differently today. I'm going to give you some optimism and some silver linings. I'm going to give you some stuff that people that people really haven't talked about because I've heard about the reaching. I've heard about Cole strange and I've heard about the offensive guard. And again, I don't necessarily disagree. I don't like drafting a guard in the first round. I said my least desirable scenario would be what happened was drafting a guard in the first round. But here are some overall thoughts before we go pick by pick. First of all, if you have hated Bill Belichick drafts recently, then you should like this one. And what I mean by that is Belichick has been criticized for years sticking with the same programs, sticking with the same prototypical measurement guys. Oh, he's a patriot guy, right? Phil Perry, who does a great job, does the prototypical patriots. In the Patriots have bragged for approaching the draft the same way every year. This was different. This was outside the box. I don't know if it's going to work, but if you've hated the same old same old, there was a lot of different with this draft, as far as approach and philosophy. Secondly, I would say that, you know, because it was such a different draft. And we'll get into Matt grow later. So I don't want you to dig deep into this at all yet, Greg, but we talked about grow leading into this. Because it was such a different draft. Does that mean that Belichick actually gave grow a legitimate seat at the table? We'll get to that. It's just one thought that maybe this draft was so different that has a lot to do with it. There was a new guy leading, right? I would also say that we went into this draft saying, you want speed, you want athleticism. If you wanted those two things, the players will see if they can actually play. We'll see if they're good. But if you went into this draft wanting speed and athleticism, you got speed and you got athleticism. You got the running back and wide receiver. Number one at the combine when it comes to 40 yard dash. Marcus Jones is a terrific athlete. If you want to talk about offensive line athleticism, coal strange also is one of the top athletes. I don't go that far. But, you know, speed and athleticism, the Patriots addressed it in this draft, whether you like the players or not. They addressed the needs that we talked about. Everybody's been begging for evolution from the Patriots. When is Belichick going to change? When is he going to realize that, you know, everything he's done is just so off off the board now..
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"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"All right, fine. All right, so go, sorry, I spoiled yours, go ahead. It's okay. My favorite pick is you really didn't think you would like taekwondo. I really don't think you'd like them. I still need to see on the field that he's going to translate to the Patriots offense, right? That's my biggest concern with taekwon Thornton is the limited route tree, the lack of ability at the top of the route. That is where I'm concerned of, okay, where is he fit? How did they turn him into more than Nelson Aguilar was last year? Or Philip Dorsett was or demure bird was, right? They need to get more out of him than those players were in this patriots offense. How did they get him there? Is going to be a big question. But I think that the other thing that I look at with taekwondo and first of all, the release at the line of scrimmage gets me gets me giddy about him because the Patriots have not had somebody that explosive and that's had that ability to move laterally off of press coverage. Maybe ever. That I've seen, at least covering the team. Right. And they don't really have guys on their roster that can cross over guys at the line of scrimmage, get up the field and blow past people. Like that skill set doesn't really exist too much with the Patriots. So I like the main reason beyond his tape and beyond his evaluation. The main reason why I like taekwon thorin and I love the pick so much is they took a swing and wide receiver in the top 50. They took a chance on a guy that has some upside. They finally did it. Like I think that the last couple of drafts because they took him to kill Harry in the first round. They stayed away from wide receiver as all this wide receiver talent entered the league. All these guys come in in 2020 and 2021. Their stars, their solid role players, their starters, even a guy that's not Jamar chase like a Deontay Johnson in Pittsburgh, right? It would have been a great fit here. You know, these guys are all coming in. And the Patriots finally took a swing on one of these guys that's coming in. It's not the guy I necessarily would have taken..
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"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"For a solid chunk of his of his senior season high school, he was the number one recruit in his class. Yeah. And Jack Jones sound I don't think he was number one, but again, it's the same thing where he's a 5 star recruit and obviously that potential wasn't recognized USC in the Arizona state, but the Patriots see that and say, well, there's something here. There's clearly something here. Can we tap into maybe what that detour, the year off juco, that might have put him off the track? Can we put him back on the track? I think that's the thought process here. Again, and I feel this way with a lot of the picks. They made throughout the three days. The NFL drafts about adding good players. They added good players. The questions for me are more about the guys they did not, you know, somebody at the chat brought up collusion here. I look at this point in the draft, whether it's Jalen or morte Davis, whether it's McCollum, whether it's Tariq woolen, right? To me, it's about, you know, there's going to be this draft is the potential to have a lot of revisionist history. I think Jack Jones can play. It's just did they take, I think they took a guy, it's just that they take the right guy. Yeah, we're going to be playing that game, I think, with this draft, like you said, for pretty much every pick that they made. I would say with Cole strange is not necessarily comparing him to players at his position. It's just comparing him to players that went in there and hit daxton hill is going to be the one. Right, daxton hill went after him, quay walker went to pick after the Patriots original Duffy went with the pick the Patriots traded to Kansas City. Kair elam went to buffalo a few picks after quay walker. So those are going to be the guys that you're going to say, okay, well, you had in this ten pick range. We had all this defensive talent and we took the guard. It's not so much about Cole strange. It's not so much even about the guard position. It's just really more about who they could have taken. With taekwon Thornton in the second round, sky Moore, George pickens Alec pierce. They all went in that ten to 15 pick range. So we'll see. For better or worse, that's what these guys are up against. They're up against comparing the guys that at their position specifically in most cases, the guys that went around them and the guys that were clustered around them on the board. All right, let's move on to the running back that the Patriots selected in the fourth round, one 27 Pierre strong from South Dakota state..
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"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"Alongside with me is Alex bars as always and hopefully my voice makes it through the rest of this show because I can already tell that it is about to go after three straight days of being on air for both of us. It seems like I make it through this show. I went out for my morning coffee run this morning Alex and I heard the great voice of real Alex barth on 98 5 this morning with Ted Johnson. We're both grinding away here and we're going to discuss the day three picks for the Patriots and the draft. That's going to be the focus of this show. If you want to go watch us break down cold strange or taekwon Thornton and Marcus Jones on day two, we already did those podcasts on Friday and on Saturday. So you can go ahead and see in the depth breakdowns on those guys. We are going to circle back at the end of the show and discuss the draft as a whole and that will get into the top picks again at that point as well. But I want to start with the day three guys. Those are the guys that we haven't talked about at least since they've been drafted by the Patriots and we'll start right here at four one 21 Alex fourth round pick cornerback Jack Jones from Arizona state probably the most predictable pick of the entire draft for the Patriots to be just due to the fact that the Patriots did an immense amount of public homework on the player. It's one of the first times I can remember in a long time where the Patriots were all over the player and the pre draft process and then they ended up actually drafting him with a top one 50 pick. You know, sometimes we hear about these guys and they end up coming here as UDF a's or 6th rounders or something like that. But to have a top 30 visit, then have a visit in Tempe in Arizona with Jack Jones and then to actually make the pick here in the fourth round. This one was the most predictable pick of the draft. I was actually surprised by this. Not totally surprised they took them. He wasn't the only Arizona state corner they worked out, right? They worked out chase Lucas. I actually liked Lucas better. I liked Lucas better and I thought they would like Lucas better. I really did. So I'm not surprised like overall like I didn't see Jack Jones name and be like really they took him, but I don't know, I thought Lucas especially in that spot made a lot more sense..
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"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"One 21 one 27 coming up today. The one other position I'd like to see them hit on, they took cold strange. They took care of the immediate need. It guard developmental stack. The long-term need to tackle Daniel fillet is still there. I know that's why tackle not left tackle. But he's a really interesting pick. And then, yeah, so if we're talking early early here because there's later picks, mark on McCall defensive tackle. Right. Excuse me. Let's get in the weeds, Evan. Let's do this. Okay. So I want to get, I'm going to continue to pound the table for Zion McCollum. Before we get okay, you do that. And then there's two more. Let me do this is my guy on day three. I gotta get my guy off, right? Okay. Zion McCollum on day three. I just love the idea of pairing this with the Marcus Jones draft pick because ziya McCollum is the opposite of Marcus Jones, right? He's 6 foot two, 200 pounds. Great length, great athletic tester outside pure outside corner. So with tremendous upside, they drafted taekwon Thornton at receiver. The taekwon Thornton of the cornerback group is Zion McCollum, or you know what I mean? So if I'm the Patriots I'm looking at it and I'm saying, we got a slot guy. Let's go out and let's get an outside guy now. I would love them to draft Zion McCollum here today. If we want to talk running back says, I do think that they're going to take a running back here today. Love Tyler Beatty. I think that that's right. I think he's the guy that stood out the most to me when I was watching tape on all these consensus running backs. He was really, really fun to watch. I would go with Tyler Beatty. I think that there's a little bit of Dion Lewis to his game. I think he's got that shiftiness. He's smaller, but he's bigger than JJ Taylor. He says a more in that Dion Lewis body type. And I think he's got great lateral quickness and just great contact balance and I think you'd be a really fun player in their offense. If you told me that ramonda Stevenson and Tyler Beatty were going to be their running backs for the foreseeable future once they probably don't pay Davy and Harris in the off season. I'm all for that. I think those guys are a perfect combination with one another.
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"taekwon thornton" Discussed on Patriots Beat
"They didn't draft him, but Darius Hayward bay was a Boston till he got there, and then they kind of fixed them. Right. Right? So yeah, I think overall they talked about this yesterday and I think this is a players aside. And I know that's kind of unfair to do because the draft is all about the players, but when you look at the Patriots approach, I like it. All floor on day one all sealing on day two. I think that's the right way to draft. Now you can say, did they take the right floor guys? Did they take the right ceiling, guys? We can have the debate. I would argue that you look at the receivers on the board and I know people like sky more and I think if they were going for floor sky more as the guy, they also may have wanted the outside guy versus the slide. He came down to. I think that's part of it, but I know people like George pickens, right? I'm trying to think of who the other top receivers were on the board at that point. But did any of them have these ceiling or the taekwon Thornton does? That's tough to say. 6 two four two 8 with his body control. That guy, if he figures it out, that's a perennial thousand yard receiver. I mean, that's bigger brief. The comp I love for him is like slightly bigger Brandon cooks. So this was another one that they wanted that outside. I think it came down to two things though. And number one, macro could not have been more clear in his press conference last night when we spoke to him at around 1215 at night after the second round after the third round, excuse me. Speed. They wanted speed. And I think they looked at sky more allocators, George pickens, and they said, okay, those guys got good speed for their size, right? Especially piers and pickens..