20 Episode results for "Tacoma News Tribune"
This week, the three certainties of life: legislative bills, taxes, and fights about Covid vaccinations
"Yeah welcome to friday. Welcome to weaken review. I'm bill radke. It's great to have you along i can. You can hear me. I can hear my guests. I can see my guests and so could you because we're streaming this show on facebook and youtube search. Kyw public radio. I can see everyone on zoom except washington state wire founder and publisher. Dj wilson dj. Your only for now hi there. Hello and i'm i'm here testament to the joy of technology. Well you know on the positive side. Thanks to technology i can see south seattle emerald founder and publisher and seattle times columnist. Marcus green hey marcus. A great to be reunited with you. Great to be reunited with you. And i can see tacoma news tribune reporter chase hutchison chase. Welcome to the show. Thanks bill good to be here when. Welcome to march by the way this. It is slowly getting warmer and lighter the sunsets at six pm tonight. Sort of a landmark is this I wondered if this is changing anybody's mood are any of you sunset sensitive. I say yes absolutely i. We're days away from days being longer than nights. And i love it. This is like an that. Now that we're in march. Where days away from i gonzaga bulldogs about to run through the ncaa tournament. So that's also lost yet. not yet. don't think looks at sorry. Sorry distinction how about you chaser. Marcus are you are you. Are you light sensitive. Is this happy times for you. I am not light sensitive. But i definitely enjoy my sleep so you know i. I am not looking forward to losing an hour. I'm less say the lavi. Yeah this is in nine days. We set our clocks forward. So now it sunsetting at about seven o'clock but i'm with you marcus. I don't think it's warm enough to luxuriate in that extra evening daylight and chase. You're nodding your head. And yet when i'm trying to get up. Try to run in the morning and get going. It's dark again. So i'm depressed but but i'm happy if you're happy chase. Happy springtime almost yeah. I'm also depressed and haven't gotten a good night asleep since the beginning of the pandemic so maybe this will change it. Well let's get to some pandemic talk. You knew we would as we cover the news this week. We had a vaccine reversal. This week with governor inslee you know for weeks. He's been saying no teachers and school staff cannot move up ahead in the line for co vaccinations but then this week the white house said do it and inslee said he had no choice. This was a decision by a president. Biden i disagreed with it. I thought it was imperative that we keep access to these vaccines to a group. That's in the most dangerous category and that's older folks. Remember when president trump would tell washington to do something and the state would refuse and sue him not so Instantly went along with it. Educators are now getting kovic shots that does not mean. They're all returning to schools now. The seattle teachers union voted. No confidence in the districts. Reopening plans marcus. Do you know what it is. The seattle teachers are still concerned about. Yeah i mean a lot of them feel that there hasn't been ed. I should say that. There's been a lack of communication in terms of what the safety protocols are going to be at that you know there's one thing to say we want you back. There's another thing to say. How are we actually going to do that. There are still questions that we don't know about covid end. You know some of the Vaccinations that even when you are vaccinate vaccinated you can still potentially pass on The coronavirus to a loved one. Who isn't a teacher in. A may not be first in line to get a vaccine and so for them for many teachers like you have not adequately answered our questions in terms of what are going to be the safety protocols if we re these buildings and then number two at a feel that these things should be bargained in terms of going back into the school as opposed to With some teachers. Unfortunately i've been labelled as essential workers and they feel that. That is a way to circumvent which should be negotiated bargain with between the school districts and and teachers in seattle. The district says they have a memo of understanding. That says they can do that. The teachers filed an unfair labor practice charge. So there's that debate. I so i understand. Marcus was mentioning. The you know the the vaccines are not a complete panacea. But on the topic of safety protocols how you know whether the schools are whether the airflow is good enough and whether all the all the Protections are there the cleaning and the masks. I don't know how good the communication has been. But i don't understand how a year into the pandemic there could be a lack of planning for safety protocols Chased you know anything about how that's possible i was gonna say it's it's a problem facing districts everywhere. I cover the peninsula school district and their teachers union had held a no confidence. Vote of their superintendent for those exact reasons they felt like there was a breakdown in communication. I imagine it's because they've been trying to push ahead and that there's still a lot of uncertainty about the information as to. What exactly is the best thing to do. They have been trying to improve their airflow. They trying to increase mask usage. They've been trying to take all these steps but they're still just a lot of uncertainty especially with high schools coming back. It's a different ball game. It's very different than middle school or elementary school and it brings a lot of uncertainty. That district's think that they can only figure out by doing and that for some teachers is a bridge too far because there's just so much that they don't know in so much that they haven't been able to be ensure that they'll get fancy because in the event that vaccines get distributed within this week. You might not get your second dose by the end of march right right. Yeah that's a good point too about Elementary versus high school. Dj wilson anything to add onto this kind of limbo that. We're in now a dj. I'm not hearing you. So i'm gonna let you fiddle with the mino. We're having some issues so so seattle is try to ramp up and they're trying to get vaccinated and chase. I hear you saying we don't know that all teachers are even to get vaccinated by the time school supposed to end. Is that it that bad. It based on the timing. That i've sort of done in my head that if there's a period of time where you have to wait to get your second dose and you haven't gotten it as soon as you possibly can because there still is a lot of tricky things and getting appointments some districts have been setting up clinics or said they're going to set up clinics at the school to try and increase that but the big question that really is outstanding is will we know all teachers and staff have the vaccines the the district. I cover told me that they aren't going to be tracking that information and that's pretty common. There was an ap story today that. A lot of districts or schools aren't going to be providing that information so it won't be even something that we can entirely verify unless they began tracking that data dj. Let's see if we can hear you yet. You wanna win. yeah. I think. I think i figured out some of my problems We'll see gotcha. I would just underscore that. You know in washington state. This really is a local issue. And in each of the districts have to figure this out on their own and that means each of the unions have to be at the table and communicate and I think what you're seeing is in part a real kind of residual fear Residual concern of folks who have been told for twelve months. Hey the you know you could get sick if you step outside. And this is an example of how difficult it's going to be when we all have to make individual and community level decisions to try to figure out how to come back to normal. I think it's going to be some time Does not gonna last time. We talked about this but when we start thinking about things like having birthday parties when we think about things like into the movies everything about things like are we gonna watch seahawks games or not that anybody watches mariners games but maybe sounders game. Yeah you know. I mean how do we get together as a community and so this is i. Think the front edge of somewhat patrick's day obviously coming up. You know the right things happened around analytics through seattle's two new permanent vaccinations sites other first patients this week. The sites at rainier beach and west seattle are designed to attract seniors from minority groups. That are showing more exposure to corona virus. James roberson got his shot monday at rainier beach after he got an email from a community group that he trusted well before our thinking. Our just imitate me to get in. I'm over sixty but it's been so hard to get in. So i've been waiting a bit however i found out that rain beats redwoods. Give people color Vaccinate so took another stab. They would get in. I have not seen the latest numbers on this. Does anyone know how washington state's demographics of who's getting vaccinated compared to other states or is it does that just to a a still. Now we still. We still lag an equitable response. Insofar as a white people continue to get vaccinated higher rates people have higher income. Continue to get higher rates than other. Others are the demographics in the state. That is common across the country. We're not unique in that. Unfortunately and there are some structural reasons why that may that why that is the case who are caregivers are often better educated Know people of color have fewer opportunities to get educated. So that's like a long term thing. And then you know. I think you're seeing some some relationship. elements kinda poke out here just like the the interview guests just spoke to. He heard from a community group in some communities are getting information out to their people more rapidly than others and But i would note that on the on the good side. Washington state is one of the earliest states to have now vaccinated at least the first dose more of its residents than it has had infected so we have more people now vaccinated than we've had inspected and we were the six state in the country to be able to hit that mark which is kind of a good sign. Assuming we know how many people have been infected well. There's there's that to prompt the data there for sure well. Texas ended their mask. Mandate you think it's going to ripple to washington locals here seeing other people breathing free and wanting to do the same. Are we just two different. Unlikely i think all the messaging and all of the people masking up is going to continue for the foreseeable future. I don't anticipate uh following texas's footsteps anytime soon. That would be probably the shock of the pandemic of something like that were to happen. I think you might see some some ex-seattle ex pat su who moved to texas. You know they might come back to migrate to To the north west. And i know that's a in speaking to my aunt and uncle who moved to texas about a year ago. They were like we are completely just done with this place. So and they're coming back to to seattle so really coming back. Okay well so just to to wrap up. I heard just in our newscast a moment ago. You do have some republicans. Winning all businesses in washington open at fifty percent capacity a by the end of march all schools would have to be in person and then after three weeks all the cove restrictions would be lifted unless hospitalizations spike. Our state. secretary of health said It's too soon to say that. Meanwhile the governor's laying out the phases of getting vaccinated. We go to phase one. B two on march twenty second. That's right it'll be on everyone's lips one be two so we've got grocery store. Workers food processing plant jails prisons bus drivers first responders eligible to be vaccinated people sixteen and older who are pregnant or have a disability that puts them at higher risk and then vaccine eligibility just keeps rolling out from there Speaking of the pandemic as we're covering the news of the week here you know. The city of seattle has been letting people camp in public areas even more than before during the pandemic. But this week the city did clear campers out of the oldest park. In town sean murphy had been living denny park for about a week. He say he got cleared away. He says he's on a wait list for housing. And in the meantime he is hesitant to go to a shelter because of covert and other concerns. I would rather live in a tent on my own. Then be in a shelter amion a bunch of people in with all of the emotional stress that comes with it. You don't really realize it until you come mainstream world into this world that wow feeling safe is a real big important deal. And it's not a given so last. We talked to murphy. He was not inside. He just moved his tent to a different park. Does anyone here think that this denny park a sweep signals a new city policy or What where do we. This has been so back and forth. Should police be involved. Should should should people be moved on pandemic. so i'm a little unsure where we are now any any opinions on the panel. I think go ahead. I think it represents an extension of previous policy but obviously is the the voice we just heard said. There's no real way to to distance in the same way most of us can in a shelter and that's something we've seen echoed throughout different groups saying that they're concerned that people being taken off the streets or away from where they might be living and put into a shelter is not sustainable. Option for them. so i think it definitely represents an extension of previous policy but the fact that there are new strains new spreading potential that that is something that will need to be kind of taken into account when it comes to. The sweeps are a good idea in the future you know. Interestingly not on the point of the co virus it does appear that homeless populations according to the data have a much lower rate of spread than the population as a whole which is kind of. I'm just saying. I think. I think this i think one of the interesting things about this too. Is that the politics of homelessness. Are just increasingly polarizing. So you're seeing cities like mercer island and other suburban rings cities begin to have conversations framed within the we don't want to be seattle kind of kind of frame and You know i think seattle clearly has a poor track record on homelessness. There's no two ways around it. And i think part of that is based. I think i don't know. But i think part of that is based in that the people who are trying to fix the problem don't often have the learned experience. Excuse me the lived experience of the people who have been almost like a gentleman that spoke. Say that it's scarier for him or less secure for him to be in a shelter than is on the street. That has not that is not a you. Know a a talking point For creating more shelters like. That's not fabulous. It says that our system is the thing that we're spending so much money and investing in is not working so and when we see that you know. President trump makes seattle sort of like the poster child of bad behavior on some of this stuff. It it's not just the suburbs it's eastern washington at southwest washington's other parts of our state are now looking to seattle saying whatever we do on homelessness. We want to not do it that way. Marcus anything to add. I mean other than kind of echoing. What's already been said is that i mean i think people start to look at seattle's policy these these past few years and all of the money that has gone towards these almost policies alienated like we're simply just rearranging Deck chairs on the titanic. After a while i mean whereas actually heading a doesn't be any any place that is productive in a moment on week in review. We're going to get into what the state legislature is doing. We're gonna start with. It's possibly restricting police use of force tactics. That's coming up next. We've got marcus. Green here from south seattle emerald. Dj wilson from the washington state. Wire chase hutchinson with tacoma news tribune and we will be right back. Stay tuned This is bill. Read key looking in on facebook and youtube here You can search ko w public radio. Dj wilson is joined the visuals. And we've got jason nathanson here and marcus green and we're figuring out. What happened this week and what it means one year ago. This week tacoma police officers killed. Many ellis handcuffed him held him down. Ls suffocated the medical. Examiner ruled it a homicide alice's sister monet. Carter mixing said police cannot keep getting away with this. If it wasn't for me and manny's friend screaming at the top of our lungs. And george floyd dying. This would have got brushed under the rug and they all need to be held accountable specifically those two police officers. That murdered my brother. Many ellis's death was one of the cases cited by state representative jesse johnson as he sponsored a statewide ban on police chokeholds a neck restraints and we have witnessed the evidence of unnecessary police violence and tactics. That produced outcomes predominantly our communities of color. Marcus if this ban had been in effect a year ago and many ellis was killed. Do we know what would have happened to those tacoma officers. We don't know to be honest with you and you know and don't even wrong. I'm very supportive of bands with all you have to do is look at the case of eric garner who was the black new yorker who was killed by a it ended up being killed by new york. Police officer win a bit near police. Officer applied To him and he ended up a ended up cutting off his air. Pathways there at the time. It should be noted that chokehold was actually legal and yet the police officer still apply to him. And so i think ultimately yes these. These bills are important. It's important to ban these chokeholds and so forth is also very important to apply some level of severe punishment. You know when these when these things have been violated a bible. I think that's the thing that a lot of accountability advocates are saying is that it isn't even so much as important obviously as these bands and so forth are it's also important the the punishment that comes with them it can't be a slap on the wrist changed officers. Yeah with with house bill one to two. That's kind of the teeth that i think you're referring to that. Proponents say needs to happen and house. Bill one two zero two would eliminate qualified immunity. And make it so that there's a a lower threshold to holding police accountable on what people identify as excessive use of force in instances like with manny ellis and and others so proponents are are pushing for that to be the thing because they want to obviously place limitations on the use of force but in the event that gets violated or broken what is then the next legal recourse that citizens can have. And that's that's largely discussion being had right now. Exactly because is they're saying essentially that can't give people extremists power over other individuals in our society without giving them extreme accountability. And i think that's what a again house bill one two. Oh two does that. Chased to hold officers accountable. That accountability process has to work. What did the minneapolis killing. Tell us about. How accountability works in washington. That it's a very fraught process and has a lot of flaws based on the fact that we only just a couple of months ago learned that there was actually a fifth officer who was there and assisted in restraining. Mr ellis is is a problem. That activists and community members have pointed to as a lack of transparency. That originally it was the sheriff's office that was looking into this but when it was revealed that there was someone from their office. There it was transferred over to the washington state patrol who began looking into this process but all of the police officers. Who were there. Haven't spoken to the washington state patrol. A lot of their information has come from the medical examiner who declined to be recorded but there are notes that have been received from that. So there's still a lot of work to be done. And this specific case has brought into focus a lot of the lack of transparency. That people have been concerned about for a long time. We haven't talked yet about no knock warrants which are a part of this. Bill is well any sense of how how effective that is is a controversial as it is important to this measure i think in many cases it is with the example of brianna taylor bring that into focus of how much can go wrong in the event of a no knock warrant The problem is also that a knock warrant is not hugely different from a no knock warrant. You can wait thirty seconds after declaring yourself. Someone could be half asleep groggy waking up that has people concerned as well. There are some people that Specifically push back that they think they still need a no knock more. I spoke to the police chief who said that they still want it as a tool in their toolbox even as it's only been used one time when i talked to him But activists say that there needs to be some limitations on what can and can't be done that a no knock warrant only can create the type of thing that puts individuals danger police officers endanger. Like with brianna taylor where it can just escalate out of control way. Too quickly republican. Legislator brad clipper sheriff's. Deputy said that these restrictions on the use of force go too far when you take away or less lethal tools. Now you're telling that law enforcement officer. You can't used that i've got listed as a lethal true dj. Do you have any sense how likely this measure is to become law. Dj not hearing you again. Whatever you were doing before was working on that. Yeah okay there. There have been a lot of moments that have been introduced because that's the way the legislative process works. It's often a push and pull so. There were specific things like tear gas being removed as something that would be limited to where police can still use. Tear gas even as that's a controversial tactic as we saw in seattle And so so. There has been a push and pull. I think there's a good chance that the legislation could pass it just a question of in what form after what amendments and what changes what compromise has been had amongst the differing interests. I think i'm back now bill. I've lee can hear me the you know. I think the question is whether this Gets a little momentum for saturday saturday's a big day in the legislature where The last votes will be held That are on the more contentious stuff. Not the last vote because they have until tuesday to vote but To move things out of the house of origin. Twelve o two is not yet scheduled for a vote. But his god i think. I'm looking at fifteen amendments already lined up which tells me there's probably probably going to be about. I think one of the things. That's interesting is less about the republican concerns. Really more about the diversity of opinion within the democratic caucus triggered the house democratic caucus. Because you have some very strong advocates like represented johnson and others. And then you have some other folks who want to take a little more middling pass and then you've got some folks who wanna more frankly a little more credits for some of these things that are not getting some of the credit And so the caucus dynamics on this one will actually be one of the one of the toughest tests for our new speaker. The she has had in the whole session will be this set of public safety reforms This was identified as one of the top two or the to number one tier priority topics for the house. Democrats in particular senate democrats also in and behind the scenes. There's just a little bit of sausage making going on. We're not all the votes are fully lined up as far as we can tell okay so that's police tactics. What about dj. What about the qualified immunity bill that we talked about a moment ago. Yeah i mean. I i would say Union politics are tricky in the democratic caucus. And i think it's to be seen the policing in seattle has been objected from the king. County labor council and so there's a little bit of less protection there but I think it remains to be seen how this is going to go. And we'll know probably saturday. Okay let's talk about some other business in olympia that could affect some folks the The lucky folks. I guess because in washington state people whose investments bake them money called capital gains. They don't pay tax on that money and that might change. This goes up for a senate vote tomorrow. I believe thanks to support of lawmakers. Like joe win. Maxa capital gains excise very small amount of people in washington state and i believe that we are responsible not just for the budget here but also for being stewards of the economy is which means to make investments in washington state. So i urge your support. second senator you. You said this bill enact what this bill enacts a capital gains excise No it's not an excise fee. This is an income tax. According to republican opponent senator. John brown this is i all definitions other than not in the bill an income tax which is Graduated income taxes was president is unconstitutional based on long standing precedent. That's the argument. Capital gains taxes and income tax unconstitutional dj. Who's right well. It certainly depends on who you talk to darn. I was hoping if i just said it into words. Who's right then. The answer would be just as simple and obvious. By definition and taxes attacks on a transaction and democrats argue that a capital gains excise tax is only realized upon the execution of a transaction. So you have to sell. Some capital capital like real estate has to change hands. And when we do that with real estate we actually call it a real estate excise tax. We don't call it a real estate Income tax in washington state's way our constitution says that you cannot tax property in at different levels and that essentially the one percent is the cap on attacks of property. Unless there's a vote of the people in this is get in things like education funding school levies and it gets really complicated and there's a one percent threshold there. The grange brought a lawsuit back in the nineteen thirties that resulted in washington. State grange that resulted in income being identified as property for washington state legal purposes as a consequence you cannot under current interpretation of the supreme court or the Interpretation current president of the constitutional reading. Is that you cannot therefore tax income at a level greater than one percent because it is like property and property is limited our constitution. So what this bill is about in part is actually bringing bringing a new lawsuit to the supreme court specifically to get the supreme court to revisit this and this has been a dream of progressives for generations as to get a lawsuit that that that would bring the right legal questions framed in the right way that would allow two unlinked or decouple income from property tax so it is according to public records. It is clear that some of the legislators particularly in the senate folks like senator. Amy peterson who's very well versed. Very smart on this stuff could be one of our next attorney. General candidates in the years ahead up. Peterson wants very clearly to call the question before the supreme court about whether income is property and so part of this legislation a key piece is actually to get to the supreme court regressive. The is a big deal in washington. Say people are a little bit but washington aggressivity. Meaning meaning that in washington state. The poor pay relatively more in taxes than the rich. Do yeah just sort of comment like if how this works. And when we think about tax policy if you tax everybody the same percentage of their like everybody pays twenty percent of income that is a neutral taxes neither progressive or regressive if you tax everybody ten percent of the things they purchase like a sales tax somebody who has forty thousand dollars. A year is going to spend all of their money on food. Things that are going to get taxed on somebody has forty million dollars is only gonna spend part of it like you know. They might not spend three hundred thousand and so. The percent tax on the income of the poorer cohort is much higher. It's it's not quite hundred percent but it's well over fifty percent. Well it's well. Below two percent turns out in washington. Say what i mean by. That is when you compare all the states in the country every everyone and the district of columbia Texas is the second most regressive tax system the country that don't have an income tax. The poor there are taxed higher than anyplace else in the country except one st. The highest income cohort are taxed the lowest in texas of any State country except for wednesday and that one st is washington. So if you're rich you get a better deal in washington in terms of state and local taxes. If you're poor you get a worse deal than even texas And so that has led to some of the greatest inequality by some measures. Washington state is the most unequal State in the country. You've got bill gates and you've got mennonite populations with the third. Highest number of homeless people in washington state so part of what this capital gains tax is attempting to do on the part of senate democrats and senate republicans is to address the fact that we have the best possible place in the country. If you're in the one percent terms of state local taxes and the worst possible place in the country If you're in the bottom twenty percent for state and local taxes right yeah go ahead. I was gonna chime in on that where i think. What's what's motivating. This is a lot of what you were alluding to. Which is that oftentimes. It's not just more difficult to be. Poor can be more expensive to be poor. It can in a time of crisis meaning that rather than investing in something that can be better for your health or longevity. You have to deal with the crisis in that moment and that can be very expensive and then also not a long term fixed but is all you can afford but then you end up having to go through these crisis moments of paying it again and again and i think that's what's motivating a lot of these reforms that are trying to be put into place to balance things out that in the midst of crisis that has most disproportionately impacted people that are poor. That's what people are hoping can can begin to push back on some of those things that when we come out of a pandemic there can be a little bit more of a fair tax code and is only at that. I mean we do see that. At during the pandemic era in places like new jersey capital gains tax who were able to avoid Some deeper cuts. Which they you know projected that they might do during this pandemic because they have a capital gains tax in because The folks there who were more fortunate there should be said that there's only i to say ninety percent of our stocks are held by people who are in the ten percent top ten percent income bracket they were able to essentially a undergird economy. And and they didn't suffer as much. And so i think that you've you see places like washington has seen that in like. Maybe that's replicable here in our state. Well this as as written currently this approach capital gains tax would if it holds up in court etc would affect about I think it's seven or eight thousand washingtonians. My question is would this. Just be a shifting of the tax burden to make it more progressive but it's the same overall amount of money raised in taxes. Or would this also be a tax increase without being offset by tax decreases in other places. Do we know that yet. The idea. I mean we'll see what happens on the floor tomorrow. But the idea is that this would be a tax increase without equal offsets. And in you know there are a lot of reasons for that. It amongst house. Democrats in some democrats part of the reason is this regressive laws that we talked about Part of it is. You wanna have funding Adequate funding for programs to support folks. Who are near the bottom of the income bracket There is i think this poverty tax our property premium. That chase alludes to is important thing. Also just you know like if you're in a crisis and you can't pay your your credit card. Bill you get a fine it a fee associated with not paying your bill one month that adds up to more costs for people who are at lower income. So you just go through all kinds of things whether it's the the the clean fuel standard legislation passed the house last saturday which was also a really interesting innovative bill that actually is arguably very regressive because people at the lower end of the income bracket are going to pay more in taxes. People in rural economies generally poorer than people in urban economies are gonna pay a higher percent tax. So it's it's interesting that for as much as the regressive. Any conversation is about or is wrapped into this capital gains conversation. You're not seeing an offsetting reduction in the state sales tax which would help progressively. You're seeing at the same time increases in gas tax that are hurting this regressive. The argument so does lack for kind of through thread through all this fiscal policy. Making that actually is coherence. It's like every little one of these steps adds up in different ways to something that has less cohesiveness. Okay capital yes. Go ahead barca's Isn't one of reasons why that that might be. There isn't any offset for a capital. Gains tax is that it is linked to the market and we do know that the market can be very volatile. So maybe it's hard to project revenue that that would come from this. It's a great. It's a great point and it's exactly right that actually capital-gains is not a good policy. Good fiscal policy. If you're trying to build operational income consistency because you have these boom-and-bust to marcus is point in this economy. In this recession people are at the top of the income bracket or making a killing in the last recession. People who on real estate had who were At the top end also got hurt and capital gains fell considerably in a state like Where they have a capital gains excise tax Joke down there in the legislature. That it depends on what uncle phil does about. Meaning phil knight. When phil knight sell stock. It shows up in the oregon capital at or in oregon general fund budget. Because of the way it set is just a few people and can be. You know five hundred thousand dollars of extra money that shows up because phil knight salsa. What did do today. What would a builder today. Okay to capital gains tax clears the legislature and goes into law. It will be challenged in court. And that's part of the idea. So continuing on that vein. The well we'll discuss this. What would take a short break and this capital gains tax money would impart pay for childcare. And so i want to talk about something else. The legislature marcus is going to tell us about something legislatures doing to to help when it comes to childcare care when we return week in review you are with news tribune reports chase hutchinson washington state wire publisher. Dj wilson and south seattle emerald publisher and seattle times columnist. Marcus screen. i'm bill radke and we're all of us up on facebook and youtube. If you wanna watch that way just search. Kyw public radio so we were just talking about this capital gains tax that would impart go to pay for child care for working parents. Meanwhile marcus you are watching another bill. That would help people who are doing the childcare themselves. Would you tell us about this. Yes s v fifty one fifty one attempting to address what is essentially a two tiered child welfare system that we have here in washington state so basically what we have now is that if you are a foster parent meaning that you have a went through the licensing process to become a foster parent you get in your as let's say two children Essentially at the very least get about twelve hundred dollars a month to raise those two children. You contrast that with what people are globally Local league calling kinship caregivers. They're essentially forty seven thousand of them in our state and they're largely grandmothers in largely People of color who are raising their grandchildren. The only access they have to financial resources are supported. the statewide level is through a which was the temporary assistance for needy families. Which if you're raising two children equates to only four hundred fifty nine dollars a month now. I just wanna highlight that the there. So you're saying forty seven thousand. That's far more kinship caregivers than there are foster caregivers in war yes for every one child in the foster care who's been raised by a relative. There are eleven children outside of the system so vastly vastly more numbers That being said Dc yif the department of child and youth and family. They're essentially what used to be a child protective services digital offer services in the state. They've been trying for the longest to collapse that discrepancy and then to get a mortar Kinship caregivers into the foster system. The big problem with that is that there has been a longstanding history. And i'll be quite blunt especially in the black community with the state being involved at all within the households of kinship caregivers. When i was doing the reporting on this Article in antics anecdotal. But there was a kinship caregiver. Who needed the money to insist. She went into the foster care system. She had been raising her child Grandchild she calls her child for twelve years About a year into being a foster parents. There's an incident that happened in showed protect services. Took the child not only the child away from her but also put that child with a family who the woman went to church with and so not only did she have the pain of losing their child seeing her with a different family. You know every week in church right which also had some psychological davidge trauma on the child. And so i think this is a a situation where people are saying. Yeah and the the money. But i'd rather go it alone. As opposed to having the state have say so over this child that i'm raising and you have Now with Senate bill fifty one. Fifty one near dc y-f-a-i essentially allow for dc y. After have what they're calling a child only licensed which means A kinship caregiver would not have to take on other children into their house. They would essentially be licensed just for that child And so the they would have to go through a licensing process it wouldn't necessarily be as invasive as as many of kinship caregivers are saying that the current foster a licensing system in in protocol is and they're saying quite frankly that is long overdue. Washington is one of only four states that has disparity in what they give to foster parents for what they give to kinship care parents so that again. I mean this is sort of another thing. That's sort of belies. Are the state's sort of progressive reputation. If you to let my other panelists either. Ask a question of marcus. Who's really tracker. Maybe of a comment yourself. I have one more question for now. Marcus which is why do you think this bill is being being has advanced this far now What's says something changed. Yeah i think there are multiple factors at one. I do think that you you have a more overall progressive into diverse a legislature here in washington state. When i was talking to senator claire wilson. Who's the primary sponsored on this bill. She said that she thinks that You know people are now legislating a little bit more lived experience and i think this is also something to be quite blunt with you. There are just more kinship caregivers who are white because of the opioid crisis. There are a lot of families now who are being raised by. Children are being raised by their grandparents because of The opioid crisis is very similar. To what happened When the crack cocaine crisis You know the the black community. And i you know when i was talking to leshan pittman. She's the university of washington professor. Who specializes in in grandparents raising grandchildren. She was saying you know when it was just black grandparents quite frankly who are raising their grandchildren and people wanted to demean their children. As as crabcakes. You didn't get a ton of Support for for kinship caregivers but now quite frankly that this is a a infected in are touching into white suburban households. Now you're getting you know more of the A more proponents around this. And you know she says you know we don't call these these kids inheriting excuse me entering into the system oxytocin and we shouldn't meet him but it's just kind of continued history right of of a symmetric compassion you know when depending on whose families are impacted whose families are not impacted by certain crisis any other questions or just a commentary on this from chaser. Dj i was just going to echo basically everything you just said and say. That's an important reason. Why not just political officials when looking at these issues need to hear from the people themselves but the journalists reporting and covering on it because for the people that are experiencing this. It's something they've known for generations. They've known that there's this as symmetrical compassion that washington's progressive reputation extends only so far. And that. if you just look at what the official statements are you can miss a lot of people that are really hurting and struggling and so it seems like this is. This is the type of issue in reading your reporting. I think you really cut through to some of those issues so mainly yeah everything you said. I think that that's a great point that you made there at the end. Marcus about the asymmetrical compassionate really good stuff. I also think it's worth noting that this is. The this is a good example of why it's really important to have good people leaving agencies and you have to have the right structure for government to work so in this case. Ross has been a dc y. A for a little while now And ross hunter is. I think he deserves a lot of credit for how he's leading agency is a new agency. It's been carved out of the s. H s i think former d. hfs commissioner Secretary rather kevin quigley deserves a lot of credit. He came in in two thousand and thirteen at the beginning of Enslaves term. In office and one of his primary goals was to carve out Children family services into its own agency survey could focus on families and kids and a lot of policies that have been baked into how we take care of kids which fail kids over and over and over and over again Including the kids. That need them most from us. We do the least four repeatedly on. There's been reporting on that but i think ross hunter deserves a lot fraser. If you had just told me as i hadn't followed this issue if you said you caregivers who are. Let's say grandparents get far less money to take care of kids then foster parents. I would have said well. Yeah i guess that's because you have to pay someone more to take care of a stranger's kids then your own kids. I hear you telling me that it's quite an ignorant a take on what's really operating here. We'll that to also think you have to you have to ask what is the true objective of our Wear system right it. It's the well being of the child right if that is the case then if that is the case right we know that a child does better when they are when it. if let's say their biological parents are out of the teacher forever as we know that a child does better raised by a relative than they do a stranger. We know that they are more likely to stay out of trouble when it comes to the criminal justice system. They're more likely to complete college. And you know they are more likely right to go on to an actual you know career where they're gonna go to model citizen so i think if we want to really in things like our prison to school by line if we wanna you know in things like not just disproportionality within our child welfare system but disproportionality within things like school Expulsions end and elsewhere than i think we need to really focus on you know foundationally Changing how we approach a child welfare system. I think fifty one fifty one is a step in the right direction. You know what happens next with this bill. it's a did pass out of the house and so it is actually needed passed out of the senate and is now just awaiting a vote in the house Count okay thanks for that. We just have enough time left on weakened review to actually smile at something and i. This week i read in seattle met magazine about the seattle celebrities who were on cameo which is the site where you pay minded famous people leave you a personalized greeting like for two hundred and seventy five bucks. Someone named selena got a hello from seattle. Born harnessed high selena kenny. Gee here i'm in my studio. But i'm thinking about you because it's your birthday happy birthday to you from your husband ron and he reached out to me and also from your business partner. Danny danny chow. Those boys and me want you to have a great birthday. I know you've been working really hard lately. So i think this is the your time to take the day to do what you want. And let's start off with me playing saxophone just for you selena. Here's a song. I hope you enjoy it. It's called loving you to. There's the kenny genus. so you can. You can get a greeting from gary payton from the sonics or jewell loyd of the seattle storm or a singer. Mary lambert and this makes me smile. Because my personal lack of interest in cameo i feel just save me to seventy five dollars. But is there a seattle celeb- who you would pay to say your name. Anybody well let me let me. Just jump into say bill. You know my daughter turns six today can you. Maybe wish her happy birthday. What's her name is mari. Mari incur names mari. Hello mari hi. It's a happy birthday to you. You know your dad loves you very much. Let me play a little little. Kenny g. Riff perfect there you go. I have a better idea. I'm an entrepreneur. Here you pay for five minutes on the phone with a celebrity because it takes five minutes to make your recording anyway. It's not that much more of a lift to be like to get to ask stevie wonder to questions or or tell them how much inner visions meant to you or whatever like what i think. That's the next big idea anyway. We're almost at a time. Anything making anybody else smile this week. Yeah i'll say You know. I actually You had to put down our dog on last sunday and at your wawa dotson. Who after i've talked about four on the show. And there's a wonderful line Off the last episode of one division that not only to meet encapsulated Leading dog Also lead in twenty twenty go and it's time period. We have but he said what is grief if not love persevering and now just made me very happy Because really likes eleven my dogs. Yeah thank you for that marcus. I'm glad you have that that love to To to feel even when it doesn't feel good anything else. Chase dj smiles. We're just about out of time. I was just gonna say getting to join all you lovely. People have this important conversation. Can't either and deejays kid is having a birthday. So there's a and then you have a wonderful wonderful birthday. That's our time actually on the week in review. I want to thank markus screen from south seattle emerald and the seattle times. Dj wilson of washington state wire and mari and chase hutchinson with tacoma news tribune. Thanks everybody based bill. Is this shows produced by sarah liebowitz social media livestreaming by one pablo chiquita and tijuca pesco. Thanks for listening and we'll see you next week. This is bill radke again. If you like that show. I think you're gonna like another k. U. a. w. podcast called seattle now every weekday morning. Your host patricia murphy. Brings you up to speed on the news. That is shaping our city and she does it smartly brightly and she does it in about ten minutes. I listen every morning to start my day right and if you want to try it search for seattle now in your podcast app thanks.
Minisode 27 Bat Out Of Hell
"Hello to Bs p believers skeptical podcast the podcast were to idiots debate word phenomena, our brains a little fried. We've been editing that comes out tomorrow. Even though what you're listening to right now. We'll come out Magsi. Thanks to Cody schedule the magic of cinema. Whatever I know I'm going to Texas tomorrow. And we were just talking about it. And that's why sound like una trip that I don't wanna go on for. So kind of like down down, Debbie or whatever to be Downer down dog. You're going down on what I mean. Nice pain. Anyways. Does your first time. Listen to us. We are in LGBTQ paranormal comedy podcast, and this is a Minnesota. Yeah. And our Minnie's oats points microphone at me are miniskirts worked like this. We we do a topic every other week in our main topic, and we do a paranormal subject, and we have stories and believer skeptic about that will in the of weeks. Do a mini sewed which is just two stories when a piece that tees the upcoming full topic. So yes, this will tease the one that will come out in two weeks. You're good. And we'll have a guest on that show as well. Exactly. And so we're kind of a hint were this person picked the theme in its around. Well, he picked a story, and we built the around that is true. This is the worst hit ever ever gonna guess. But see if based on the the cop. The content that we have if you can get the topic slow. I I have no clue I'll go then this is a red at story by user, Jane Paul that was posted around seven years ago. So this is a fictional story. Not necessarily. Okay. I'm I'm curious to see how many descriptions. This. My step sister in law, aka sister, what that means was up for Christmas break her and I met for the first time, and we really hit it off. Our shared affinity for anything paranormal. Let us to investigate the thirteen steps to hell which is closed by a close by multi Washington. She had been once before. But her friend was too scared to go past the path into the actual cemetery. Curving thrill we decided to finish the trip and try to find the thirteenth steps to hell. According to the quote legend. There are thirteen steps within the cemetery that possess some sort of power when you reach the bottom of the stairs. You could turn around and see a vision of hell. What for reels this is the legend? Okay. Okay. Well, their counts mentioned people, fainting, disappearing going insane, etc. When they reached the bottom and the way up to the cemetery on a path leading up the side of a hill. There are civil cars with one in particular supported by tree growing up through it supposedly some nights the battery lightbulb void front lights would turn on the pawn later investigation. We found various accounts of occulting titty in the area countless claims to an evil being present people claiming to have seen go shadow people is white dogs, and so on and various other similar counts. However, some claim that the step simply lead to a storage shed of the tippety any form of haunting or simply imaginative misconceptions from drunk teenagers, hells storage shed. There's like there's hell and somewhere. Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah. From what we could tell it was the vandalism from curious teams throughout the years that let the cemetery owners to destroy the steps people in the area will even honk to warn the cemetery owners when they see someone walking on the sides of the road or park near the area. Gosh, consider the fact that one of the greatest dug up and robbed at one point in time. Precaution is understood. But I digress. Stories. That's good setup. Synthesiser had been there before we found the pull the pull off quickly. There's a set of metal bars where gate used to be right at the bottom. We made our way through and started up the hill on the little path because of the dense vegetation and rain it sounded like there was a movement all around us big movement. There was movement. Oh, not eight never mind. Sorry. Helmet doing big drums of water would accumulate on some surface and employ loudly making stuff like Sam, we figured that. Any unusual sound were most likely be nature induced and the dog that Kelly was probably a neighbor's dog. I see the first interesting thing we found was the car graveyard. There was not just the one car mentioned with the tree growing out of it. We found several normally single bunch of abandoned cars would make me want to investigate trying to fight the pertinent to why it was there. But we both got a creepy feeling looking at them somewhere barely recognizable. As some were barely recognizable as cars, and some still had their steering wheels and seats the one with the tree in it looked like there was still close personal property in the backseat. Oh, that's creepy. How we debate debated getting into cars and look around but decided not to because one they were on a slope taking away our escape quickly option and to we were unusually creeped out. What did you say that there were locked unlocked? It didn't say, okay. And I wonder like I would wanna just at least even go in there. Look at the close to maybe see what period they're freaked out. It'd be super creepy. So instead we peered as much as we could without leaving the challen- finally decided to move on. It was not much further until he reached the cemetery was stuck our way around and read every headstone until we came to one that had a long cement slab, which was cracked. Had to walk on where to walk on it to continue felt uncomfortable walking on a grave. There was a pentagram etched on the back of the headstone which was facing away from the concrete slab under it. I would have taken a picture. But for some reason are fully charged camera would not take a picture agreeing that as long as she is facing away from where we a-walking it as okay, we stepped on and over the cracks lab right after we saw something large to the left was down below away from the normal. Layout of the cemetery was another crack cements lab that looked like a headstone. There were words carved into it. But we could have the, but we would have to climb down and over a bunch of Bush's Tarita. We noticed what looked like two broken steps that would have led to broken headstones down below. But Bush's covered up the rest of the area where the remaining steps would be we decided to sit and admire the silence before investigating the broken headstone. Sitting between two headstones overlooking? The back into the cemetery where the cracked headstone was my sister, and I were discussing how peaceful it seemed up. There did not seem evil, and we were starting to doubt. If the place was even haunted, even despite their interaction with their creepy. Cars cars, we noticed some blue orb like lights a couple times on our way up, but we never saw the same one. And concluded on the possibility of our is reacting in some way to turning on and off our flashlights. Enjoying the night air, and peaceful feeling of the cemetery. We started to tell stories of things we have experienced in the past that's fucked up. I would not do that to the cemetery that they're so weird. They're like, oh, my God is creepy cars. This is peaceful. Yeah. This is fine. One of my stories was especially frightening, which to talk about fear and our opinions on how it plays a role in paranormal experiences as we were talking. I started to feel like I was being watched. So Italy, those have nobly I've normally loud move into the bushes below. I do not want to show my growing uncomfortableness. Oh. Don't wanna show my groin. And I was like, well, it's growing. And said, oh, it's probably a deer. But then my sister point said, I'm not too sure about that down and over a bit to the left by the crack concrete slab. We stepped on was a large muscular black figure. My sister being a photographer slowly says I saw the catch light in his I it is the reflection of light UCF. Someone's about says it is. Yeah, we both just sat there and stared. My heart started beating facile overwhelming fear feeling of fear. The previous fund thought of making our way back to the car suddenly seem like a death March, and I was willing to risk jail time to not have to go back. My sister will by trespassing staying there. Oh, okay. My sister broke the silence set. I can't go back. We defined the way I can still see him. I could still see him. He did not move, except what seemed to be movement from breathing small up and down movement. Whispered sounds good to me and grabbed her hand. Luckily by the time by this time is eleven pm. And the owner's house was dark. We tiptoed passed the house and driveway that eventually made it back to the car took about forty five minutes of walking based on the feeling we had in the shape of the body. Not to mention the catch light ruled out the possibility of seeing deer men or anything else. Explainable? We both. Agreed that never that. Never going back would be fine. With us part of me still wants to see if I can find the thirteen steps to hell, but it will most likely be a while before muster the courage to go again. Wow. That's cool. So I still had the wonder like whenever he said who breeds up and down and everything we watched moving up and down with reading chess moves. Front and back. Right. I've imagine this person in the distance like. And you can't see what I'm doing. So it makes no sense. But everyone everyone listening try to break up and down and see what it looks like my chest expense. I mean nuclear up when you breathe in and out back. I'm just I was thinking is far as I like, I'm I'm six two. I'm reading right into the podcast. Very. Oh, it's crucially out. Does. It really does. So people are so relaxed by stop that. I literally just shivered. I hate it. Playing candy background. Kill you video for you. Just listen to this before you get a bad sounds like that that gauge it's. Oh god. That was so fun. That's a really good story is actually done. I wanna go find the thirteen steps to hell is. I was looking at it looks like it's a real thing. No it exists. But there's a legend. It's an urban legend. But I would figure that it's probably like you're there, and you just see like it took them that long now because of the transposing another story had read is covered with concrete. Oh, so they really did destroy it. Okay. That one is one where where does truth and fantasy in that story leave off? It's really cool. Well, so my stories all true. And I'm going to be talking to you too night about bat. Squall squash squad. You've never seen. Bob's burgers. Go and watch squash fats. So I never heard of this until. Fifty minutes. And I'm gonna stood up with a little story about that squash twenty years ago this year. She says that one of the most bizarre winged entities ever reported made its way I made its ever reported made its first and seemingly only appearance at least as far as the media headlines were concerned. But do any readers have digital information? Turn it in as it actually says that but anyway, it was nine thirty AM on April nineteenth nineteen ninety four and eighteen year old high school student. Bryant canfield was driving a truck from Buckley to his home in camp one and the foothills of mount Rainer above lake capacity in Washington state when for no apparent reason his truck abruptly came to a halt, then about thirty feet ahead. Descending onto the road with a sizable thud, which is a fun to shifting dunk appear to creature of nightmare. Standing perfectly still on its hind legs at least nine feet tall and covered in bluish for it had of wolf lake face yellow is with Half Moon. Pupils tufted ears a large mouth well supplied with sharp white teeth. But no things and that's my favorite part of these round teed around human teeth round teeth. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing's but just so it's smiling. And it's like oh had bird like feet, powerful arms and fingered hands. It also had a pair of huge wings, which lay folded behind its broad shoulders as the monstrous being gazed at the unbelievable trucker for several minutes and a terrifying face off. It's another one of those where it's it's thirty descriptions. It's got everything but the round teeth. I wanna draw Ken Hilton cab macabre confrontation cat Mecom Makeba, macabre tation. Taking french. What is it macabre macabre? Confrontation by the ended when his astonishing visitor begin twitching. It's fingers deadly that's fingers than unfolded its wings, which are so enormous. They span the entire with the road and slowly took off into the air stirring up such extensive turbulence before soaring away that Kim fields truck rocked swayed. Once it had departed his truck in explicitly in explicit inexplicably. I'm like, I've not had a drink today. If you got a beer beer, but it's truck inexplicably. I'm alive again, enabling him to drive home later that day still greatly frightened. But this time accompanied by his mother and the neighbor Ken field return to the location of the encounter. He hoped to find something that could provide proof of the story, but wasn't able to do. So I'm not withstanding this his reputation for honesty and abstemious lifestyle. And she says what is devious? Devious means that he abstains from dubious sex spell that for me at stimulus. A B S T M I O U S use it in a sense team, IOUs, okay? His reputation for honesty and ab- steamiest lifestyle. Not Selvyn doesn't especially when eating drinking. Oh, okay. Okay. So he was Klinka Klinka believable kid. So basically, basically straight out. It's just might everything every straight edge to be gay. They believed him even newspaper columnists are Roberts interviewed him for the Tacoma news Tribune on may first and was convinced of his sincerity. So they were like we believe this kid as for the amazing creature seen by him. If surrealistic similarity to Bigfoot sasquatch incongruously sprouting pair of bat like wings was sufficient for the media to dub it bats. That's what it's no. So I thought it was interesting because I I read a few articles and actually that one another one said that the only reported encounter, but there's actually another and it says it a possible second sighting was reported in two thousand nine near mount Shasta in California, several hikers witnessed a huge creature with leathery wings fly out of a crevice in the mountain at first, and I witness describe their creature as having a head similar to tear Actal, however upon reconsideration the witness claimed it was more akin to a bat or a FOX know my favorite part is that they said that the wings spanned fifty feet. That's fucking ridiculous funny. Fifty feet. That's like like thinking of your condo. Like, it would be from one side of your condo. Probably more than two the other. That is unbelievable. Well, that's if it were real that'd be fucking scary, though, jacket you magic well it, especially if it's nine feet tall. But then it spreads. It's fifty feet wings. Everytime. Bats a wing it. Just creates an earthquake. Yeah. So that's my hair part of that one. But my favorite part of the creature is a whole is that every article that I saw tux about its ability to turn off in effect, car engines, so it has a magical car engine property. And so I wanna drive some other types of vehicles like a tank, you know, an electric bike and just see like what it affects what it doesn't, you know, new. Scooter take Rosco, rascal scooter there and see if it works. So that my friends is the story of bat squads. So we had two very serious stories that we share with you that you may find commonalities figure it out. Now, you should see if you can guess though, the full topic. And if you do tweet or in the us and with that, we'll see all next week and.
GENERATION GAP WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR NEWS? Part 1
"Hello welcome it's time to join Dorothy Wilhelm who had his very minute is swimming upstream. Because it isn't crowded there. This new show show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going. Dorothy gets crappy. If you keep waiting well this is dorothy will have Kevin. What's the dead I am swimming upstream in darn it as getting wet and cold and snowy but otherwise everything's fine welcome to swimming upstream? Version of the generation gap. This is the show where we look at the differences and the things that are the same about the different generations and today. We're going to talk while we're GonNa talk about two things first of all I should and in fact I must introduce my co host. Raymond Amount Miller still who is really really really entitled to be here because a he's twenty eight years old twenty seven twenty. Two Twenty Ray is twenty eight and his mind is starting to go but we like him. He is the editor the highly esteemed Courier Herald newspaper. Now there are only two newspapers in the world by that name one is in I aligned and the other one isn't well read how we get a lot of emails back and forth and you have to play. No no no. I got an the email I was telling you about the currier herald so and it is should you visit him enumclaw Washington so to start with Ray. I just wanted to get your feeling one. One thing that struck me as a real generation illustration with when Chief Justice Roberts actually took up the question of Okay boomer that expression this going around all the time. Yeah it's not a phrase. I've used a US myself up until I think today. Actually I may have used ironically but I do find it rather disrespectful just in everyday conversation I wouldn't want someone wants to write me off because I'm a millennial write me off because I'm old. Strew pet is neil type. Were sitting here. You should say that ageism ageism tends to be more societally societally acceptable even though. We're very aware of sexism. Racism ageism not so much so it's for our audience benefit if in case they don't take the courier herald an or the Seattle Times. Are The News Tribune and bus. Miss the story a Chief Justice Roberts said that actually in a in a job interview if the applicant's said gave answer or or something that was age related and the interview or even in a humorous way. Okay boomer that could be basis for a lawsuit. Now this is the chief justice. So we're in a funny place Ray Usu- usually have something profound to say at this point I I think he's completely correct I've never thought about it before. And he's the chief justice so I'm going to diverging opinion view. I do think he's completely corrected. A really really does touch on the fact that when it comes to interviewing for a job age should not be a factor at all and even using a phrase. It's like okay boomer. It being so dismissive you should absolutely Follow the avenue for the The one of the Discrimination Act we have here in Washington to follow that down the hall and see where it goes but you know the funny thing about now. I've never used okay. Buber that phrase but it doesn't seem that bad to me. It's just seems kind of like A. I don't know it seems friendlier than it doesn't strike you the same way. Does it really does strike me as very disrespectful. That's not something I would use them. Polite conversation and I think it depends on whether you're talking with a close. I think it depends on whether you're talking to a close friend or the job interview absolutely not acceptable rights right. I think that's really true. And that's kind of what we're getting at here. Is that so often. What is perfectly acceptable? `table at one place at in one group. I love you all at. I'm sure I could call you anything you like it but this is kind of what we're delving into into and the reason I thought of for today's topic Where we get our news totally over the Justice Roberts thing is that I was talking to a young man at office depot? My computer doesn't show tell it it doesn't work very well anyway. And he said Ed. He told me that he gets his news entirely. He's thirty five advice and he entirely guest his news from podcasts. And that struck me as horrifying I. It's podcast my gosh. I do a podcast. You'd have to be out of your mind to get your news. Well at and he did explain to me thus deflecting by ego that it wasn't my podcast Eh. But he gets his news from three different. podcasts now what I figured so we thought we talked today a little bit about how the different generations generations. Get their news for me. And I'm betting for a couple of Nice people. Here Vanilla ice still get my news very much the way my father did in my mother. I I remember when when I was growing up of course we only had radio. Is this before television. HP Cotton Board anybody down there remember issue. Kids are younger than I am. Aren't you yeah will tell you this but there were a couple of very very famous newscasters accountant board would say Aw there is good news tonight or There's bad news tonight. So you know you're in one place or the other so then you you knew what you were in for. We only listened to the radio. We got news from there or the newspapers and there weren't a million different possible choices than the very close to that are now to this day. I sure get my news from the Tacoma News Tribune because I have a column in that paper really and at the Seattle Times New York Times online. I'm old but I'm not dead. And of course Cairo because I used to. I used to work for Cairo. I used to be on the air with Dave Ross. So naturally I'm GONNA listen to that but mostly people in their seventies and eighties if they are fortunate enough to still here get their news in a very conventional kind of old fashioned traditional way. How about your people ray? While our people some Pew Research Center as very much I got that one very much online Now you'd give your age again. I'm twenty eight so I fall. I fall right tween like Breitbart. pretty close to the end of the millennial spectrum right there but we are. We are definitely enjoy our online news. And that's where I get most of my news. Even though I go to major news outlets it's on my phone I go to their website swiping In between them and the only newspaper I really referred to on a daily basis as mine. And I think that's smart now when you when you go online to these different sources Do you pay attention to who the sources are absolutely. Oh I will read the same story. three different times so at one time the New York Times one time in the Washington Post one time the Washington Times That's on just a day where I am taking it easy on myself. There are other days while extend over not. NPR PROPUBLICA The BBC. I've got seven or eight different total news organizations that I try and focus on on a on a the daily or weekly basis. Will you know I'm especially glad that we have here today. At because she is at the beginning of all of this Lauren. Johnson is an and you are. Would we say younger too. I'm thirty one so right in the middle younger than springtime. Yeah glad to get cheers So I do have like digital subscription to the News Tribune side. I do go online and I read that I do listen to NPR. We are so That is like I guess more traditional but I kinda grew up listening to that still stuck with me and then I yeah I do get a lot of my news over the phone like I'll just like Google alerts set up. What's your Google alerts? What do they alert? You like just like a says. I have something in the newspaper about me yet. Well well I mean just have like different categories like Current events like politics Political News Or I have agreed cinema so I I also have entertainment movie news on sell well. That's a little unusual to have a degree degree in cinema. That's so I'm just real interested in those alerts. Just let you know about a certain topic. Haitian Asian about like breaking news Like yeah just like even like national news and international and local again all different kinds so okay. We'll think about that a little bit by I have. I have another little edition near I talked to a couple of people who were twenty and twenty two years old and they. This was just mind blowing for me because I didn't even know about rented. They got all they get all their news from. Read it. If you say something about that so openly we're taking out the glasses so for those of you who are unfamiliar with read it. It's an online social media platform I think it's a healthier Socially than places like facebook definitely healthier than twitter. Twitter definitely healthier than Tumbler. But it still can be rather toxic and filled with Really bad information. There are these things called sub reds. So you you can Go and look for nature photos or just funny means In one of them is in the news and they use these users hosting various news links news clips on some of its users sharing the news. that they found interesting with other users interested in the news. Basically it's a amalgamation of a whole bunch of people finding different lengths and posting them. And I feel like that's a very poor way to get your news okay. boomer this adopt gilded I listen to you but that will be for next week when we talk. Talk about who you trust. That ain't them okay yet. That was what I found that younger people that I talked to said that they get their news from home. That is they they go home and someone tells them what's happened. This is good or they go to read it so that was interesting. I talked to two three twenty year. Olds one twenty year old said that her husband who is much older also got his news from read it but she's really cute so that probably came into it and so so now when we come to the forty s and fifty year olds most of them while I this is a small sample. We're talking about But most of them I do get the news from podcasts. Most of them put they reported most of them are career related. And in a way. Yours councils that too because is yours you the the your newspaper is career related. You've got to say that. Yep Okay there you go never argue with me then we at long last we get to the boomers. How `bout you I will? I'm sixty two so I'm at the tail. End of the boomers immerse and I still read newspapers. I read them online but I I like a paper. I like to sit on the order to the with the paper drink. We appreciate you know When I was still working I would take newspapers because because the TNT she is you know we get it in the morning and work with me and sit there and have my coffee before can and one of the younger interpreters just is like cute? You'll always bring your newspaper with you. Okay that was a backhanded compliment. I guess I don't know but but I I like I like being able to just read the the titles and headline pick what I wanna read about. I can see what else was going on. I could skim through it but if it's online it all comes up at once. I don't know I I just don't like it as much and I don't watch. TV News at all anymore. Because I just don't WanNa hear all their new next week next week when we talk about who do you trust. See we gotta be careful here because next week we're actually going to record it in about three and a half minutes but this one thing that you you may not know so most people don't I don't know about your paper. I do know that ours. They headlines are not the most people think the people that write the story get to set the headline. They do not most papers they. Headlines are actually written by someone who's the trip which is a mcclatchy paper The headlines are written in Sacramento by people. That really didn't read the column sometimes. I am horrified when I'm sorry but sometimes I I just can't believe this is what they thought I said I did. Yeah most people don't realize how about yours. We are lucky to do a lot of our stuff in house that would include not only headlines Photo placement page design Deadlines pull quotes. Almost all that is done in house. We can communicate with people who are doing them if I'm not doing it myself So when the paper goes out I would say eighty five to ninety percent of it is the way I want it and then the other ten percent it was just just too much hassle to pick apart. How does it feel to be? A young person ended dinosaurs field. I that's a that's a loaded question it meant to be. I do look around and see that a lot of people are getting their news not from a physical newspaper and I think that is just the way things are going to go but I also believe that having a physical newspaper present in a community is an important community pillar Really established a Presence you don't get a presence online you can't rally around something just on on a on a website but having a community paper birth and maybe even more importantly the newspaper to be located in the community where you can go in and ask questions call in have a conversation is extremely importance to interesting things about that naturally One thing is that a recent survey in wasn't Pew I forget who it rhymed named. Yes was that where the community loses a newspaper. The effect on the community entity is really great and they lose their richer saying they lose their a decent nece. Because now we don't know what's going on. It's an interesting thing to me that there's a company the one that I know of probably more out of the Midwest somewhere that is actually putting out full colors really really slick magazines directed at small but rich neighborhoods. I talked to be important. I talked to someone the it would. Nevertheless you can't disregard it. She does a magazine based on The area around American Lake. It has to be an area of enough to support a full color slick magazine. She's been doing it for three years and she went back east. Talk to the fellow that that thought. Stop this all up. And he gave her two or three possibilities that she could go and check with and she found she decided. This was the area. She likes every the the point here is while the advertisements it has got to be able to sell enough advertisements to keep the publication going While the advertisements are about anyplace anyplace that's interested every story is about someone who lives around American Lake. And they will they. They want that magazine. They want that news and I think that's just really kind of kind of remarkable. So now we're we're to the place that seems to me. It wouldn't hurt a bit if we had a last inspirational thought. Well I did have a question. Actually that's according you said that you grew up listening to NPR. He are Theresa Right. Yes did you also grow up watching your parents or parents read the paper and even drink the coffee the L. A.. Do you follow that similar pattern if we had the paper sometimes but mostly it was just. TV News Okay. Interesting much alleged. Yes all right because for me I also listen to NPR with my parents. Sunday mornings and I still do that. It was definitely something that was grafted onto me But there was almost never paper in the house except for the Seattle Times of maybe the Redman reporter So that's something that I picked up on my own so I wonder exactly how much our habits are Media absorbing habits are shaped by our parents and how much does shape by the the environment that we live in the culture that were growing up in though. I think I think that's a good question. I think that a lot of my habits still come back from HP Kelton born. When I was a little girl I was already in bed with Malaysia? The news came on that late and at I remember hearing the news and that folks had the paper Burke one of the one of the really important memories of my highlife is that on. I grew up in Montana. But we move to spokane so we were there on December seventh nineteen forty one and for the first time in my life. I heard the news voice coming up into the neighborhood and calling the Pearl Harbor had been but a bombed now of I have no idea where Pearl Harbor was but you know this. This is what happened and I think that that had a great deal to do with convincing me. That trade papers are important. Imagine they came. You know there's no television there's radio but there's only very little choice of of not like now when you have anybody you wanted many you don't View but now they come up into the neighborhood and you can hear them and so it was just really an incredible credible event so that would be my thought. Have you given your thought or because that was the question last time let's Let's skip me. I'll I'll skip hand. Alas at you you know you can't do much with him okay. Go ahead like give us a goal last inspirational but even I really like what you said earlier earlier about how community newspapers are just really important for keeping that cohesiveness. Just a really can bring us since eighty when you know what's going on and Around like local events or anyone in the community means help with anything or yeah I yes I I really do think that it's important to keep newspapers in the communities now since you have a cinema degree. I didn't know that about you. I statue statue or a Ymca but it's so what would what what bites you do for. Can you help us out. I what do you mean. I don't know I just what what possibility I I'm a big person for possibilities. What possibilities are there that you could do a lot of people? Don't keep neighborhood information going. Go down quietly in a darkened room. uh-huh yeah a been question. Okay Eh the second inspirational lay. I totally agree with with with all of you that that local newspapers are so important because for a while we actually cancelled the TNT and went to Seattle paper and I felt so disjointed and identify what was because they don't say in anything about what is going on here in Tacoma and also what can we do about that but now the trip trip is getting better the they're trying really hard to be responsive Lonzo But what what could we do to to bring the communities closer together. Will I recently in the last year. We've we've on my email. I'm in a neighborhood. Oh yes chat thing now so I mean in a lot of that is like with facebook or anything else and you have to take with a grain of salt and double check the information but still there is. That's a connection actioner That's really good point Are you still thinking you overhear learned. Okay my my observations wins And I I want to touch on this little bits. I don't actually think the Seattle Times should reach out into the coma area. One of the major weaknesses I think of times times is that in his spreading south out so far is in a international paper. Is it on national. Paper isn't a community paper. It doesn't actually know if it really really focused on the Seattle area on the east side and just focus on that area would end up being more successful than tried to branch out. I did the same thing I had the Seattle Times this delivered to my apartment door. I realized they don't talk about Sally King County at all one month two months. I don't remember how long I want. What's green he cried? Okay see that's kind of take away here. Is that the really the the real value. The greatest value may be is and then the very fact. Here we're all we're all here. They are part of the community. When I love the opportunity to get to meet New People that we would have gotten to meet or talk to you before I would on my last parting thought our urge folks to who really examine what media they absorbed whether it's TV radio print or online and and think about? Why is it that I like getting my news this? What is it about this? That appeals to me and then really pick apart Whether or not it's a valuable way to get their news I think I think that one of the reasons why newspapers physical print or at least rent articles are so important because you can stop reading them. Check sources yes I in critically whereas when it comes to TV and radio You're just getting information blasted at you. And you're absorbing it but the time for critical thought isn't there. I think that's why. Hi some folks really like the podcast at the same time because you can't listen pause stop being able to and we're moving so fast these days. No wonder most those folks want to just be able to absorb the news. Not Think about it because we're just going going going but in order to really sit down and understand what's happening. I think the the best formats for saving your news remains the written word and the funny thing is that you're assuming I mean as as we speak whereas zooming that those things where you're hearing so fast are true and the fact is most most of the things that come apart thousands all opinions. That'd be nice right at so it should be now any last parting words Lord. He said just like checking. Your sources at I think reading the same article like Across different like sources is always good to hear slightly different perspectives on same same subjects. Get wider wider view on it. Let's thank you Lord and Theresa and Andrey Andrey but the nice thing is that. We're going to talk more about this. Who Do you trust for the news next week on generation gap and we this is our semi irregular is sort of creeping in taking over more and more of swimming upstream? But I'm okay with that because when my hair when the hair gets wet it turns green so it's probably a better if I don't swim too much anyway next week. Who Do you trust for your news? This has been a you can write to us at my generation gap DOT COM or Dorothy at my generation gap DOT COM and. We'll be right here pretty much in the same place. The important thing to remember Asia is that a lot of monks were put out of work. When movable type was invented so office you get used to so anyway looking forward hard to swimming upstream with you next time this is dorothy wilhelm by now? Thanks for listening to swimming upstream. Dr Wilhelm will be back next week with more gray casts. A great idea danced. No telling what he'll do next be prepared if you just can't wait contact. 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04-15-21 Correcting the record with inclusion and accuracy
"Welcome to native america calling from studio eight six nine in this letter pueblo. I'm tara gate. Would when you need to research the subject for school pavement resolve an argument or just satisfy your curiosity. One of the first places that shows up when you search online is with kapiti. Ah the publicly edited online encyclopedia. Has it streets. But the number of native contributors is small. It's one of the many places that people go to for information about native topics but needs better representation coming up. We'll talk about better information inclusion right after national native news. This is national native news. Megan camera in for antonio gonzalez vaccination remains key to protecting native communities against the current covid nineteen pandemic and the emergent variants of the virus. That was one of the messages from the us. Senate committee on indian affairs hearing wednesday on assessing the response to the pandemic native communities dr robert anders administrator for the native medical center in anchorage alaska says establishing trust among people is key to a successful vaccination effort both now and for future health threats. The biggest thing we need to do to combat the is increased vaccination and although rural alaska has done an incredible job here in anchorage to hug community. Vaccination rates still is lower than we would like and that creates a risk for rural alaska hawaii democratic senator bryan shots who chairs. The committee commended the nine billion dollars in federal emergency aid for tribes to help what he says. One of the most complex joint public health emergency responses in history museum in germany dedicated to author. Carl may has returned a native american. Scalp this week to the sault. Saint marie tribe of chippewa. Dwi reports the museum had initially refused to return the item claiming its exact origin was in dispute. The tribe made a claim on the object in twenty fourteen after an american visitor. Brought the display to its attention. The museum had posted a story on its website about the scalps origin. It was said to have been donated by an austrian world traveller in one thousand nine hundred twenty six who claimed the acquired it for one hundred dollars two bottles of whiskey and a bottle of brandy. The museum and tried conducted studies on the remains but could not make a clear determination of which tribe but belonged to however a report by the tribe found that the feathers an amulet to the scalp were consistent with sue traditions. And it may have been from and gibb way person killed in combat. The museum has other scalps including some belonging to white people. Officials said they would decide how to deal with these. On a case by case basis may gain to literary fame for books the american west which he wrote before ever visiting there they have sold more than two hundred million copies and informed germans ideas of the west for generations however his legacy is being viewed more critically these days a statue honoring nisqually activist. Billy frank junior in the national statuary hall in washington. Dc is one step. closer to reality. The tacoma news tribune reports that washington governor. Jay inslee signed a bill into law wednesday to place francs likeness in the nation's capital. Frank was a vocal advocate for treaty rights and endangered salmon. His fishing led to a court. Decision affirming the rights of treaty tribes. Frank was arrested over fifty times for exercising his right to fish president. Barack obama posthumously awarded frank the presidential medal of freedom. The statue of frank will replace one of missionary marcus whitman in the capital. Willy frank the third and his quality tribal council member. Frank son told the tacoma news tribune. His father would be proud to have his statue in the capital. But it's also important to look at what happens once it's there. Are we still going to continue to educate people and make sure that people are doing what they need to do in brazil. The supreme court made a landmark decision that could strengthen indigenous rights survival international reports. The judges accepted an appeal by the guarani kiowa people and ruled that a two thousand fourteen decision blocking the return of some of their ancestral land must be revisited. The reopening of the case could set a precedent for other similar disputes over indigenous. Land rights. It comes at a time. When president jair bolsonaro has emboldened those rights guarini say. Their land was stolen decades ago and they were forced off. So it could be turned into sugarcane plantations survival. International says most of the area is currently controlled by a powerful politician and rancher who has been implicated in attacks on the guarani for national native news. I'm making cambric. National native news is produced by colonic broadcast corporation but funding by the corporation for public broadcasting support by the center for indigenous cancer research at roswell park comprehensive cancer center dedicated to cancer research medicine aunt cancer care for indigenous population. The no charge online risk. Assessment tool is available at roswell park dot org slash assess me support by the sausage chambers law for championing tribal sovereignty and defending native american rights since nineteen seventy six with offices in washington. Dc new mexico. California and alaska native voice one the native american radio network. This is native america calling. I'm tara would joining you live from my homelands oshiro dewey. When you're searching online for historical facts or information about a topic which competed is probably one of the top returns. The online open source encyclopedia has well over six million articles. It's a helpful place to start research. But since it's constantly edited by members of the public any entry could have inaccuracies at any given time. The upside is there's room for native scholars and researchers to add incorrect entries about need of topics in people this month. The national museum of american indian is collaborating with the smithsonian american women's history initiative to put on a native american women. Wikipedia edit a thon. It's a way for people. People take control of their own stories in this hour. We're focusing on accuracy and inclusion of native people in online educational and research resources like wikipedia as well as information from more traditional sources. And from what you've come across online are we as indigenous people accurately represented. Are we missing. And when's the last time you question the accuracy or bias of an article or an encyclopedia entry about indigenous people or culture. Give us a call. Join our conversation. Were at one. Eight hundred nine six two eight four eight. That's also when hundred nine nine native and joining us today from washington. Dc is on your montiel. And she's a curator in the history and culture department at the national museum of american indian and she is of donna them descent and anya. Welcome to native america. Calling thank you. It's my pleasure to be here great to have you. Also joining us from tacoma washington is kyle pittman in. He is a collections. Assistant internet the national museum of american indian an a student at george mason university and the evergreen state college and he is nez perce and yakima our pleasure to have you here to kyle welcome to native america calling. Thank you so much for having and list stripping to this in anya tells a little bit more about this event native women's wikipedia editor. 'then is happening on april. The twenty third and it is in collaboration with smithsonian american women's history initiative which was established in two thousand eighteen and they have organized edit a thon in the past mostly on women in science and those kind of topics so the national museum of american indian. We wanted to also have a editor john but really focused on native women and making sure that their online biographies coppee a- are really full as well as being accurate in so talk to us a little bit about how this will all go down. Yes so one thing that Being the national museum of american indian is that we wanted to target the participants of this edit a thon being native students and native educators. So we contacted those groups. I because he really wanted Teachers as well as students to learn how to do wikipedia and how to do their own editing. So that after this event is over then they can continue this. Maybe even on their campuses or in their classrooms. So what will happen. Is that on the twenty third. Since everything is virtual now it will be through zoom. Everyone comes onto zumra and There will be kind of a background about what we wanna do. the there's going to be someone who's an expert in with the pd. That's going to explain. How did you various things. And then there's gonna be four different kind of editing that someone can do and those will be a little breakout rooms so then the the large group that smaller and people can really focus on if they wanna add pictures. That's gonna be one group if they want to do basic editing and grandma. That's another group. So that how we have it organized and then within each group there is going to be a volunteers who are experts in wikipedia. That's going to help everyone the sure that they can. I do it correctly and answer any questions they have. And so when you are bringing folks together who are you hoping you know shows up at the table to help. We really hope that it's a lot of native students and native because especially we know that they have such knowledge of certain areas and certain topics and so we really hope that they will be able to especially maybe someone on the list is from their community that they can really provide more information instead of you know. Sometimes there are people I was editing. Actually a page at an art and feminism at a fun and i realized that the artist who's a native woman her tribal affiliations were wrong and so i had written about this artists years ago and so i was able to edit her page to make sure that the type affiliations were in what you're talking about. How did that come about kyle. Kyle has been so instrumental in really building Pages that were working on. So i think kyle can add to that thinks kyle go hit and again if you'd like to join us one eight hundred nine six two eight four eight glade kyle. Yeah so A lot of the Prep work or the groundwork that we did in the lead up to. This event was around identifying Past edited phones or past events that compiled lists of native american women and various roles whether they're artists politicians Basket makers painters Activists and that we were able to use a lot of passed information to construct our list but we were also kind of looking for a mix of articles You know on wikipedia. There's plenty of articles that have yet to be created But when you're just getting introduced to Contributing to the platform. You usually wanna get new people Working on existing articles and particularly with the different types of gaps and biases that exist on wikipedia. There's a lot of Made of american women articles that are pretty underdeveloped there. What wikipedia call stub articles And so really. Those were kind of the big focus for us on building out this list And also you know finding people who to us are very notable people in in indigenous peoples histories And so that was kind of our foundation moving forward on developing the list That we wanted people to work on during the on the intel. Some of the people who are on the list kyle. Yeah yeah so. We have a number of people who are involved on the list again. Some from existing articles like elizabeth cook when Who they have a little bit more of a developed article But they still need some work to be done on it and then we have some less notable people Not just from north from the united states but also may t- Artists from canada. And we're also working with some other wikipedia who have compiled some people from south america And so like. I said you know. We have some real notable people who are up there but then we have the most of the lesser known. people some tribes from the east coast will be there And it was kind of a challenge. Really trying to find these right because there's a lot of people who are Known to their own communities in a lot of ways but of course on wikipedia. There's a there's a requirement that someone be quote unquote notable And so as we're trying to stick within wikipedia has guidelines for this The list had to ebb and flow between what was considered notable or if there was even enough information really To try and justify putting them on the list in so as you think about this list and in what it'll Entailed to get it right incorrect ultimately when it is correct. What does that mean. I'll start with you kyle. Go ahead yeah. So what it means really is that we're going to have increased both for the people who are there And then also making that name known for the notable native women. Who aren't there weren't absent but that feels in that wider gap To to let people know you know that native people are still here today that we don't just exist in that Antaganistic a historical sense And as on you had pointed out a large part of this is also about correcting Many of the inaccuracies that we see On wikipedia because the majority of the editors are typically white male who go through and edit these. They've also been largely responsible for creating or contributing to these articles But again as on you pointed out there's been many mistakes even down to the tribal affiliation certain people and so you know we're looking to hopefully correct those mistakes increase the representation get the names out there. More notable people Another example of someone. Who's missing an article ramona. Who is a few all travel member who was a really big activist in the sixties and seventies and continues to be a who fought alongside billy frank junior and in the fish wars during those times. So really the focus being on that representation and letting the native voice come out in these online articles. Where as you press this. This is usually the first spot where a lot of people stop to do their research. Indeed maybe you are one of those people you can give us a ring. Have you ever heard about this side of wikipedia. What about other online resources that seemed to serve as a database on indigenous people. In what happens when you run into one of these articles or you click a certain term or somebody's name and then wikipedia page comes up or another page comes up and then you see there. Some things that are false or Maybe numbers aren't right or maybe even just some of the stuff that they're saying needs to be clarified or expanded upon What do you do. Then we're hearing about in edit a thon that's going to be taking place to try and correct some of this but when it is inaccurate. What does that do. What kind of things Fall from this. What is the domino effect of wrong information on the internet Has it ever lead to something. That created drama in your own community in your own family And then setting the record straight. What happens when you set the record straight. You can give us a call. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight is a number and maybe you have taken this step further and have reached out to a kapadia to correct some of these things. What was the response. You can give us a ring. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight is a number and when we think about all of this in terms of education a win. Our students are learning wrong information about our indigenous nations and people. What does that affect. Give us a ring. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight is a number native students are heading back to the classroom is more school district. Start in person instruction. That's good news for improving education outcomes but students teachers and staff still face possible health risks. We'll get an update latest teaching strategy during the pandemic on the next native america. Calling if you're hurting in your relationship or have been affected by sexual violence. Strong hearts native. Helpline is a no charge. Twenty four seven confidential and anonymous domestic dating and sexual violence helpline for native americans. Help is available by calling one eight. Four four seven six to eighty four eighty three or by clicking on the chat now icon on strong hearts helpline dot org. This program is supported by the national indigenous women's resource center. You're listening to native america calling them. Tara gatewood for almost blow in. We're talking about accurate. Representation and inclusion of native americans an online educational resources like encyclopedias and research articles. Is there someone in your native community you think needs to be added to an online encyclopedia or database. Join our conversation by calling one. Eight hundred nine nine six to eight four eight. That's also one eight hundred nine nine native in here with us today on the line Curator in the history and culture department at the national museum of american indian is on you montiel and Also here to is kyle pittman who is a collections. Assistant intern at the national museum of the american indian. Thank you both for being here. And so i turned to you to talk a little. Bit about I guess kind of the the way things happen. And so what do you have to do if you want to. Edit a page gives us a preview of what you're going to be going into further the editor on but really what happens. Sure of course and i. I just wanted to mention that you know competed does have a few statistics. So for their english pages they have identified about eighteen point. Eight percent of the editors identifies women. So that's why we are really kind of looking at you know. Over eighty percent Of the editors on english wikipedia identify as being a male. So that's why we're really trying to to get more representation out there and they don't have any statistics fog native women but we can just imagine that then that's even a smaller number of people who are editing who identify as being a native woman and so what will happen is that when I will say it is a little addicting. Before i started this. I had no experience Editing what the pdf. And so kyle. And i have been working on this since october. And we participated in the various editor. Fons and so To make sure that we can do ours. You know the best way For our topic. And what will happen is that someone creates an account in peoria. So that means that you can then edit and then you go in and you can really edit any page and something that one of the editors i did is i was linking external risks. So something The artists i was working on It mentioned you know things about shows that she had been in. And so i link to those museums and i linked to those To those shows that been to really kind of also beef up to make sure that people kinda understand that you know. She's a very notable artists. And i want them. If people are there i go to wikipedia. That should only be the beginning point. And if they wanna learn about anyone then they can go and say like oh well. Here's a link to an exhibition. Or here's a link to an article so it really kind of adds to that. Also you know the links that. I noticed that they They put down laker some artists. Like they're just oh juillet and so. Of course we know well are they likud array keenum obey and so again we can really kind of provide more details that Something that we know about. Make sure that it's really A full representation and then of course that community there page has more branches links because now we're adding their artists to that community and then there are some people who work with images because it has been shown that if you are in a wikipedia page page and it has a photo most people tend to go towards that one and we competed does have some restrictions if you do have an image that you can upload either you have to be the person who owns that image or it has to be In the public domain or follow some fair use restrictions. So that i will say getting on a photo upload. It is a little bit difficult and once you kind of do that and make all these changes they actually have a page with a pdf or a little pab where you can all the editing history. So i could actually go in and all the people that have edited. Also there's on the page. So for example like i right now. I'm on buffy sainte. Marie and so. I'm on here and i noticed that She has one hundred ten people who watch her page so they are keyed in time. That there's a change to that. And then also she does of course have an image and then there have been one thousand two hundred eighty eight just to her page and we could also track how many people have been going to her page in the last three days and we can look at all. The people who've edited so it is kind of exciting when you do realize that there all these people who are really involved in trying to make sure that these teachers are really full and provide a lot of content and there are There is a group called women and read indigenous women and so they focus on just biographies of indigenous women on wikipedia. So there's already kind of like a group there that they really want to specialize in making sure that there are more biographies on indigenous women with the pedia and so they spend time working from a list. That's actually on their wiki page and so they They tackle it little by little. And let's let's go back because there's some terms some people who are trying to wrap their head around this. You know there's some some things in edit your own wikipedia jr because that you cannot so wikipedia does have certain restrictions and they they want it to be objective as much as possible. And so you were not allowed to edit your own page but someone else can edit it for you. And i i will say i was listening to a podcast then. Carrie underwood was talking about. How on her page. Someone keeps changing it and putting in that. She's native american cheese muskogee and she's not and so someone from her team has to go in and keep on removing that in changing it so she's not allowed even though of course she knows herself. You know the best She's not allowed to change it but other people can change it for her. So that's One of the rules on rick appeal so basically winsome something it exists until it gets disputed is is that what you're saying Or there are people who are watching certain pages so when edits are done they can kind of go and look on the pages and i will say that There's something called editing wars. So that's when people kind of get into dispute on the information that's changed. And so if i edit someone and or edit something and someone doesn't like it and change it I could actually go in and denied their changes and make it go back to what i did. So there are Unfortunately a little bit of Strange competition that comes in Sometimes so how is the dispute handled. Or who's the referee. Or what are the the lines that say okay. No this is right. This is wrong Sometimes there aren't And you can reach out to those editors though You can reach out and say you know for example I know that. Dan rodriguez is really great with Editing the kumi page so he teaches at the tribal college there and so he's been really instrumental in getting his students to buy accurate information to their tribes page and so he could go in and sort of like contact that person and say you know i am a i'm a tribal member and this is what i do. So you know i. I have access to the the proper information interesting. And so when we say editors how do you become an editor. Is it just that you have gone to a page in made some edits. Therefore you're an editor or do you have to qualify or pay a fee or tell me about that and if it's a fee don't say how much but just tell me it's a fecal head it is all free so you just have to Sign up so you just have to create an account And generally people don't use their names just for privacy reasons so it's just that people. Then might you know. Find out too much about your life So people can to sort of have sir sort of name. And and honestly like i can tell when there's a lot of the native editors on it because usually they'll use a word from Their tribal language as kind of like an identifier And then so you just create an account you go in and they do want a little bit of a basic information and so you might go in and just say something like you know. I i am a specialist in this area or you know. I am a radio journalist. You know and just sort of provide a little bit of basic information and then you get started and the more that you do the more that your account those sort of grow and and have Sort of more notable because there are some people that they're doing this all the time during one editor on i attended of women said that she does this every so every week and she's also teacher though so every week she provides a little zoom room with some of her students and they spend like three hours once a week coming together and doing this in so you see how how can quickly lead to a lot of time a lot of dedication to this and hearing this about how things happen on wikipedia thoughts dial in eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is the number on your. Thank you for that breakdown. Learned a lot and kyle's or anything you want to add just to get people's head around Editing what it means or even putting up information glad kyle. Yeah so usually our happens when you're starting out as a as a a new editor contributor to wikipedia It as on. You said it's all free. There's really no barriers to starting the contributions that you can make Normally when you want to write a completely new article there is a little bit of a review process that it has to go through before it's officially published to kapiti But aside from that process really you can just start editing. Any Article that's out there. normally you do have to justify the edits you make on what's called the talk page. Which is the kind of a discussion board associated with each article. That's there and in the changelog The matrix that tracks everything that people added you usually do in a reason To talk about it and you. People gain notoriety on kapila a- and they become You know rather attached to certain pages and so depending on the popularity of page you can have someone who's considered maybe a more senior editor Or we kapiti and Usually engage with them. Maybe a discussion page on justifying changes. As on you said you know. There's not really any safeguards to changes that are made except for the editors themselves and so that's how these kind of Editing wars or turf wars develop When someone wants to dispute these changes it's incumbent upon the editors to Go back and forth and the talk pages and make the edits on the actual article and so forth. So it's basically all the people who have said okay. I'm gonna put something on this person or this entities or this entries Page and then you and a team of people who do the same exact thing become the editors is that what you're saying kyle. Yeah yeah essentially in a real kind of defacto way in so when something that you said in in just kind of talking about you know maybe a war between this. And i'm wondering if You know issues. Contentious issues that are going on or connected to our native nations. That is some of this going on you. Know things Like the indian child welfare. Act an equally in. What's going on with it. As well as maybe the dakota access pipeline and as things were developing there ever come a time where people use these pages to kind of you know sway things toward public understanding towards something they want to sway him to. Does that ever happen. Wondering kyle any thoughts that does happen actually rather frequently especially in our dna. Many topics have become our hyper politicized Dakota access pipeline was certainly one of them also the pages that talks about The genocide that occurred here in the americas against the genus people's the become very contentious Between people who are editing it and even the southern poverty law center has noted. How appeals been weaponized in sort of way i White supremacist groups Especially as of the last Or five years to change these national narratives around a lot of hot topic political issues and so certainly made peoples have experienced that as well Even more so i would say it. Intensifies when our issues are brought onto that national mainstream Out news outlets until with all this. Is this why we hear cautions from educators or even media journalism circles about being cautious about wikipedia injuries. Yeah yeah certainly that. That is a big reason as to why Educators do give cautioned. You know because anybody can go onto a pedia and edited You're never one hundred percent certain about the information that's being presented at face value. And so that's why usually you'll be instructed to if you go to wikipedia. Use it to do a cursory search or two. Maybe find some starting points but really it's the references and the sources attached to the articles. That you wanna look to to Really help triangulate and confirm the information that you're looking up. We'll think you for that. And if you have any questions for guests dial in one eight hundred nine six two eight four eight also wanna bring in another Guests joining us today. Out of saint paul minnesota. We have nicholas emmons. He is a program officer with indian land tenure foundation and he is of shawny descent. Thank you for being with us today. Nicholas welcome to native america calling. Thank you it's supposed to be here. Nicholas we've got a couple of minutes before the break and just your initial thoughts on on all of this what we're hearing in. Go ahead jumping. Yeah you know. I i think you know it's very important for our communities to take more ownership of the information we put out there As somebody who goes to k. Through twelve classrooms And and tries to be more inclusive with teachers and school administrators on better representing native history. in the classroom. I think it's very important. You are tribal communities. Take that lead You know we're the ones who own that information also a researcher. I say that because it's important that we tell our stories the way that we tell them and and You know not the way you know. Non native folks will do the same but it's really important that that ownership It is is out there for for people to better understand that. No this is what's really happening and and that's kind of what we tried to do. with some of our k. Through twelve curriculum at the foundation. We have this this piece of land and it's a curriculum database that that helps teachers to better teach native history in addition to a new video game that we released recently called when rivers were trails. That looks at allotment in history and cultures gender identity and language As you travel across the northern united states so this is about representation. This is about perspective. That is missing from textbooks if you take a look at those textbooks out there. No we see that There's maybe a paragraph about native history because that's not a history the that the status quo wants to be told and so we really need to work. Hard and i applaud my colleagues. Who are working on this project. We were that we've been talking about this wonderful work you know and as someone who grew up With strong women in his life you know celebrating. That is i think very important so Bravo to the two of you for working on. That project will thank you for that nicholas. We got to pause here for a moment but again if you wanna join us one eight hundred nine nine six two eight. Four eight is number. Edit a thon that we're hearing about today is focusing on women's history. And what are some other topics that you think in editor on should a center around. You can tell us about that too. One eight hundred nine nine six two eight four eight is a number phone. Lines are open. So now's the time dial were ready. Smoking gave me. Copd which makes it harder and are for me to breathe. I have a tip for you. If your doctor gives you five years to live spend it talking with your grandchildren explained to him. That your grandpa is not gonna be around anymore to share his wisdom and is love. I haven't figured out how to do that yet. I'm running out of time. Copd makes it harder and harder to breathe and can cause death. You can quit for free. Help call one eight hundred quit now. A message from the centers for disease control and prevention. Thanks for tuning into native america calling tara gatewood and we're focusing on education and research online resources like wikipedia. There's also research articles about native people and topics that are out there. If you're an educator where do you tell your students to explore to find information on native people. Do tell them about double checking accuracy. In what do you tell them if they run into some inaccurate information there is still time to join the conversation. All you gotta do is dial one eight hundred nine six two eight four eight and Before the break. We were introduced to nicholas. Emmons joins us today. Saint paul minnesota. He's a program officer with the indian land tenure foundation. An he ishani descent nicholas. Thank you for being with us. And when we talk about ownership of information. I know this is something that you're quite passionate about. Tell me a little bit about this. Kind of ownership and What happens when we see something in. It's and we walk away Is this something you'd like to change that where we really own things in speak up when it's wrong i think it's important that You know taking ownership is such a general or general phrase. You know it's what does that really mean you know. 'cause there are a lot of ways that people might do that in their personal lives or the professional lives in a number of issues but taking ownership. We should own the access of information. We should own the stories and and we should share them. You know i. I don't think that the stories that we have to share with other native peoples non native people should be always so private and one way to You know take ownership. I think is is by taking the initiative by making the steps taking the steps to to really Get out there and say you know these are stories are perspectives. They're not wrong. And you know it really fulfill and In satisfies some of the gaps that we get in and conversation now about history. I think a lot about the history piece. There's a lot of wrong information because the people who write the history don't want these stories to be told whether it's about treaties whether it's about our individual land histories those relationships to the land and so that's all very important and we're the ones that have to take this on and we're the ones have to push in. What about with the schools. Is there anything more you'd like to say about all of this and how it relates to. What are you learning Or even how schools teach about native americans you know when i provide professional development to teachers a lot of times i get questions about cultural pieces. They they wanna know how to teach culture. And i always say that's really not your job. your job is is to better include history and you can do that by having community members other tribal citizens and who can talk about you. Know the local history for instance. Our curriculum lessons of our land is so highly adaptable. That anyone you know from washington state Down to north carolina. I can pull a piece. Easily adapted to local culture in issues and then put it in their classrooms. And i'm not saying that one lesson achieved. Everything doesn't in fact. Many times when i measure success with professional development that we provided the foundation. I measure it based on how often they teach about native history. If it's just in november. Well then there's more to be done but the other piece too is you know. How do we engage the students in meaningful ways people who have no idea these histories and they're shocked when you talk to people about these things. They're shocked when they play the video game. When rivers were trails. There we had we had students at a local school here in saint paul who played this game and it was a very multicultural diverse classroom and they were shocked. They were other kids of color. Who thought this this really happened. Yes yes people were made to leave their homes and to travel to safety sometimes and it was a dangerous affair and this is a real life thing. It's not just the the triumph of oregon trail. You could use that word to describe the game anyway but you know it's certainly you know very strongly white non native History and that game. That's still send people love it. It's revered you know so. We need to approach this access and this ownership from a really Strong point here and be unapologetic about the stories that we had this year because these are stories and their diversed and they're big and they're important all of them it's really up to us And so something else just thinking about what gets put up. What if something that is sacred to a community information details that you know just aren't for public consumption. Get up on these pages Let's start with you nicholas. What are your thoughts on that what what can be done. You know this. This goes back to the whole piece of ownership. It's our communities have to be in charge of what's out there you know. Some store should be told absolutely they shouldn't be hidden but there's a lot of information that should be private and that's very important in a very cultural sense you know could be seasonal. It could be about you know. Even how are people have emerged in different places on this confidence you know and so to me. It's it's going back to the communities empowering communities building that sovereignty. that's sovereignty is. It's not just saying the word sovereignty. It's actually going out and we we do this. We have to do this. Thank you for that. Also here to is onion montiel. She's a curator in the history and culture department at the national museum of american indian. And on you want to get your take on that to anything to add. I i know especially from the national news. American indian We you know we are very. We're coming into that in the idea that people want all the resources online. You know we get a lot of researchers who want all of our collection online with images so that they can access them and there are items in the collection that are culturally sensitive. And so we don't show those though if you go to the collection search and g maiden come across something and there's no image than i had a researcher recently. Contact me and say like that you know she was looking for something and there were no images and and i said well. That's because culturally sensitive and so we're not going to provide inches. You know of those and this was a non native researcher. And so i do think that we do have a lot of responsibility Towards native communities to make sure that we are acting in a very responsible and respectful way in what we do in so what happens if somebody puts up information. That is culturally sensitive. What what actions does a person half on wikipedia on you For that i mean that's a little difficult because it would then be people coming in and taking it down you know editors other editor you know having to do that but then of course someone can you know. can go back and put it up and so it it really is Explain to people on. Why certain information is is not to be on there I know that that's why a lot of tribes are been doing their own wikipedia pages for their tribes because they do understand that if someone searches for the kiowa tribe the tribe website may not come first but instead what the pedia comes up for so a of tribes are taking action saying like and we are going to be heavily providing information on our tribes wikipedia page and then of course lincoln to the tribal website so there have been a lot Echoes of tribes and various organizations. To make sure that you know they're monitoring What information is out there and we see links. Let's go a little further on that. We've got some time about what links to put up in. Maybe is this another way to people who may be doing good work in the community and you see there's a link or connection to a certain wikipedia page person or event or Entry of going in and adding link that you know is relevant to something you're working on Kind sounds like advocacy any thoughts on any of this on you definitely. I was just right now on the wicked tate or wicky page for the mohawk war and so immediately i went to the notes section and to see all the references and there are a lot of people that are referencing. The the united states army center of military history. So for me immediately. That's a flag that it's like a lot of the information that's populating. This wikipedia page is coming from the us military that that's not appropriate. And so then it comes in. There is luckily linked to nick. Estes and his resignation podcasts. And what was said about the mohawk wars there. And so i look at something like that and it's like well then yes there is People who are very knowledgeable about what happened And populating this page with a lot of resources that are native account of the perspective on what happened then well nicholas anything to add to that about links can anything you want to share. You know i definitely. It seems like you know as we were talking about sovereignty in the need to own information. It is our decision to decide what we want to do and I think we need to be respectful of how that sovereignty is exercised not into the community and the nation. But at the same time you know. I think we need to do our best to make sure that our you know our stories are out there because you know otherwise like on the thing you know you have this information about The mo- doc war. That's all the information on here is from a non native white source and in that isn't okay either because it's not complete. It's not the full picture so we need to. I think we need to do better to To to make sure that those points are out there and and and you know to use what kapadia as a as a way to do that into nicholas. What are the benefits of having a wikipedia page. I think some of the benefits of having competed pages. Having the information out there for people You know it does come under. You know some challenges you know. You can't always cite a in a paper say but You know in schools and stuff but you can get a lot of great information if it's properly sourced You know at some point. I wonder whether we Whether we you know move forward with you know making even statements on the kapiti pages whereas the hey by the way. This is a perspective that there are other perspectives. And we're working hard to to make sure that people know that there are other ways of seeing things out there all right. Thank you for that kyle. Pittman is here with us today to also with the national museum of the american indian. In kyle or anything you want to add. Yeah i i would say You know going back to that topic about what happens when there's Sacred or private knowledge that gets put out there on these public forums That does certainly become an issue With a space like wikipedia Not really stresses the importance for people who are of these tribes or more culturally informed to really get in there and be involved in participate To look at these things for example you know. I usually keep a pretty good I on the nez perce tribe. They are nesper wikipedia page and just recently as of this year someone had added a whole new section that detailed The different historical bans Of my tribe Throughout our traditional areas. But there's only one source really that they attribute to it after doing some research online. I think i was able to locate where they pulled that information from But there's some inconsistencies throughout what they wrote that is That that would really confuse someone who's not accustomed to You know the inner workings of the next person. So you know that raises concern where it's not necessarily sacred knowledge but it's addictive of someone who's not in the know and when you have those situations where more sacred ceremonial type information does get posted It becomes paramount that Those who have that knowledge get involved and try to have that removed or educate others on the proper ways to You know talk about those things or whether they should be talked about at all because right there's greater implications for us as the indigenous peoples who are the subjects of these pages that people really take for granted especially when we're talking about Epistemology our knowledge There's this idea that knowledge of course out in the public domain is free for anybody to use and that's that counters a lot of indigenous ethics on ownership of knowledge and how knowledge can be exercised and the relationship that we have with knowledge. Wear those relationships can be jeopardized if it's put out into the public view like that So definitely i would say that. A lot of this is a cultural Struggle and even within the nature of collaboration. This is something on you. And i have talked about where pedia. There's this big focus for collaboration among people Indigenous peoples look at collaboration in a slightly different way than it seems like the larger non-native public does In where on wikipedia. You can essentially erase the work. The entire work of someone By going through and just hitting a button on the edit page But of course for many indigenous peoples we want to honor work credible inaccurate work. That's there we don't want to just erase someone. We know what it's like to be a race and so really trying to deal with those differences in cultural approaches an ethics to these public platforms is another challenge and barrier that. Really do well when we get involved. We can help educate others. Thank you for that and we got to wrap things up here but real quick the details about the edits on coming up where people get involved real quickly on you there. There is a liquid pedia page for it So this is the it is happening april the twenty third And from one to three thirty eastern so on with pedia it is called the anime. I native american women ended up on and so we are also going to be having more so We understand that There the date might not work for people or you know already. I think we have reached capacity For people who are registering but there there will be more all right. Thank you for that. And we're going to wrap things up here are look at online resources and maybe You were researching while we were on and you came across something that piqued your interest or you signed up to do this. And now you're editing. Somebody's page If you would like to share your experience with us you can always send us an email comments and native america calling dot com in. 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SENIOR ORPHANS, AUTHOR SUNIE LEVIN
"The hello. Welcome. It's time to join Dorothy Wilhelm who had this very minute is swimming upstream because it isn't crowded there. This new show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going Dorothy gets crabby. If you keep waiting. Well, hello. This is Dorothy will help and I am swimming upstream, and you can tell it hasn't done me a bit of good because I haven't terrible called. So if I call these in carry on, you will know it's just because I've been meeting new and interesting people, actually, I haven't this week the doctor when I visited the doctor he ended nurse actually, wore masks and tried to avoid me as much as possible. So you're really lucky to be at a distance. As is our first guest this morning. You know, I always say, we're swimming upstream because it isn't crowded there. And you meet the most interesting people, and I have got one of those interesting people for you today. I've ever already warned everybody. I'm kinda crabby this morning. So we'll see if I can improve this I go, but my first guest is an author at. A longtime internet Fred Sunday Levin has been helping people who are in the second fifty years of their life for a long time. She is I have been friends at least a decade, but we've never actually met in person. A couple of her books are make new friends live longer and mingled roots, which is on working with them. She will explain this better because she wrote but most of not naive. Most of her books and her work is directed toward combined. Aging how we get along better. All that kind of thing. And I can just hear her. They're hardly she can just hardly contain herself because she wants to get in here and talk so badly. I'd say one more thing. Sunny Levin next month. I think she said we'll be eighty eight years old sunny. Good morning. How are you? Good morning. I'm fine. I I feel for you. Because I had that thing that virus. Oh, I guess about three months ago, and it was not fun. Everybody's headed. It's another exclusive. So right. So anyway, you tell me a little about the books that you've you've written and tied of the very fact that you are still writing so my at our age. What what particular advantage? If feel like it gives you. Well, you know, I talk about my books. I walked my talk. And I tried to tell seniors. They've got to be proactive. They can't just sit there in front of the television and wait out the rest of their life. You know, it used to be that we dot aid around sixty seven. And but now we have were in a step up community. There are about six seniors that are over a hundred and say, what are you gonna do with yourself? You you retired sixty five you've gotta find things that you're going to be interested in in and redefine what you're doing. And enjoy your life. That's that's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to make people that are just sitting there. Become more proactive in enjoying their. Live. So your latest book in progress right now is on senior orphans at I've got an essay. Right. This is one of those things that used to be like that as as you got older, you wouldn't admit to go to the senior center because you didn't want anybody to know your old now, of course, we do this show from the Lakewood community senior activity center. But so when you first said you were working on this. I thought well at Celik course, when you get older. Of course, you're Arvid. What do you watch Pariser, Dan? Yep. Get used to it. Well, last Monday by brother died, and he was the only brother I've ever gonna have. And all of a sudden, I realized what you're talking about it writing about because he was the last person on earth who had the memories I have. And he's gone. Tell me a little bit about what you're doing with your book. Right. You know, who's? Senior. Well, some people consider fifty years because they can start getting perks from our and drugs and airlines and movie theaters. And my husband wouldn't admit to being a senior until his first grandchild was born he wouldn't say was seen senior. But he liked the title of grandpa. But now there are so many some of them. Call them elder orphans. I like senior orphans it's a situation not in over trae age. They're earth thirteen million seniors in America today, living alone. Single widowed. Divorced with no advocate who can make their own decisions. If they have children, none of them live in the same city where the senior lives or they may be a strange or they have their own lives live in their old friends. If they haven't died also have their problems to deal with as my. Husband often says we have more friends in the cemetery. Then we have above ground. Children are being married will not make say from being a senior orphan, we can all become senior orphans you can outlive. Your husband or wife, as you have many seniors live isolated without support of either family or friends, and that's what I'm a dressing. Sure. Now, let me let me ask you something. What what we're really seeing is the result of the first time in history of the world where people could choose not to have children. So everybody chose not to. And so allow. We kind of are left up as you say, the isolated older adults estranged my goodness. A lot of our strange from family or children rice single older adults with no children. What kind of planning is that? I got to say now Sunday, I got to say, I was clever there because six kids, you know, in fact, when my brother died, it was on one of the kind of nicest things mice son in Minnesota called me. And he said I've come to sit with you for an hour because I know you're sad. Which is because that was what he would have done. So we've got I think one day you're saying we've identified the people. Okay, great. Some almost all will be like me in that we won't admit we fall into this category. Till something happens to push us. But try supposing. Now, we do know that who we are flood our shins. What can we do? I'm going to sit here in sulk and drink soothing liquids. None of them being they were. Anyway, what the options we have? Well, you know, the government wants us to stay at home is what option aging in place, they they like to call it. But it has pluses and minuses often, you know, requires as you get older, and you lose some of your faculties, you you can't always afford a health home care giver. And you don't always want a stranger in the house with you. Or simply can't afford it. So stirring in your home is his challenge. If you fall, there's no one around to call the paramedics there fall Lert, and we can talk about that. But the obvious is to move into a continuing care community, but they are expensive. But there are new friends to make you see the one thing I'm an only child, and I always liked to reach out to people I make people my new friends. Because so many of our old friends have died. And so you're going to be having to choose. So you know, you have to forget about the fact that there's an age difference. And, but you know, sometimes people feel like were obsolete. Well, I'm what I'm talking about is being proactive and showing him we're still here. Hey ages. You know, Marc train says ages a an issue of mind over matter. It doesn't mind if you don't matter. My friend, John Nusa who is the mayor of Buckley here used to say age is just number and mine is unlisted and. But let's let's talk. Let's not gloss over this finding new friends thing because I think personally, I think this is key because I just said I have lots of resources because I have six kids, but they don't live nearby. And that's right is easy. Would is easy to say you gotta make new friends. But how what do you do? I happen to know. Let's see what you let's do step when let's let's get people's new friends. His I will tell you what. Moving to a senior community isn't really a an option for everybody. There's one there's a lovely one right down the street from me do pot, and it's it's called patriots landing ended his entire tirelessly for retired military, and it's a wonderful place. And even though we are retired military, or I I don't want to spend my son's that years reviving the battle of the bulge says just the way it is. So it wouldn't I I did move into a condo. I did downsize. But let's talk about making those new friends because you said that age we shouldn't think about age I disagree. I think we should. And I think we should realize if we are crafty seniors that if you make new young friends when you need something Bill come lift it down off the top shelf or you. And I. Yeah. No, making new young friends is wonderful because you know, I'm very serious about it. I I've made new friends that are tend to twenty five years younger than I am. Now. You know, I might be fooling myself, but they seem to enjoy my company and I enjoy being with them. Steph. How's this happen? Well, some of them look at me as a mom figure. Seek advice many or simply younger friends met on the way. And it's it's very easy. You start talking to them. And all of a sudden, you find that you've got all sorts of friends that are available now talk of everybody and using the let me step in for a moment. Sure was still kinda skating ogre the first steps that are very difficult. We can't just say start talking to them. Where did you find him to talk to most people are age only see other people our age? So we've got to have a plan for meeting at you know, you don't make friends right away. You gotta give it time. So what do we do step by step now? I don't wanna hear. It's it's good. Once you've once you've got them. But how? Roll the net over them. What do you do where where my we find? In other words, my dear. Where do we find these young friends? Okay. You do have to go out. And oftentimes if your mobile, you can get go out, and you meet new people at Booker at the library at if you can join a an exercise class or you can meet them like we did online. If you use your computer. So there's people there that are lonely like you are I am at times. They never. Never. You're never lonely. Because I'm usually hardly ever lonely eat there because I use my computer a lot. And I I would I call cyber France. Like, you are and you send me. Pals, and I and I do talk to them. So that's one way that you can meet new people to just into one little thing. I just found this last week radio hams there is a radio ham that is and don't laugh because he there's lady radio hams that are men and women, and they are able to stay in connection. They can help their own health. They can help when there's a disaster that that happens, and you know, in the computer is down, and so on in fact, I'm going to go over for demonstration next week of how this Larry Staples uses his ham computer to NC has. Oh over a thousand friends that are listening to him all the time. So there's there's all sorts of ways you can make friends, even if you're not mobile, so that's. It's my turn. Now Brown easy. You've got play play polite unfair. So you remember the ham radio operators, though, not that long ago? They were all there was so it's wonderful to hear that they're still alive and going, and it's growing again as great thing. So so you just touched on a great great thing. Is that hobbies something that you love, maybe even something that you loved, but you didn't think they were doing it anymore. So we go some places, and we noticed there are new people. We don't scurry away without talking to them we find he said we go for demonstrations. Like you are next week. That's really good. Now. What happens when the time has come the two been going to these places for a while? And you're actually meeting people, and you kind of think. That these people might be your friends, and they might help you need help. How do you? What? Right. What's the exact? That's exactly right. I know the answer here. So I'm gonna ask you a question. And then I want you to stop and let me give the answer. You know, I wanted to you wanting to I I don't know if we discussed laster out in Portland, it is in our lives, and I I love your humor. And I hope you like mine, but I found out just recently about laughter yoga, and there are I can't begin to tell you how many laughter places all over the United States and international. It's a new twist on an ancient practice, and it doesn't rely on jokes or comedy. In around at Leo ears. Maybe we'll are. It's is way better than go yoga. I'll say that. Yes. Yes. It is. And now real. Sounds strange, but it it's contagious. The laughter. That you meet in these classes is a group dynamics type of thing that you can go to or have them come to you. And you sign that it triggers so much release of of stress and yeah. And you know, what the bottom line it keep close. Cheerful friends grouches and the complainers pull you down. So it's you have to laugh together and timing if you yeah, that's really true. And in fact, what, you know, maybe you don't know the my topic as speaker for the last thirty years has been laughs laughter as the tool for managing stress. But or end of when you laugh the temperature in the room actually rises. I've always thought was really interesting. But any anyway, that's what laughter is incredible. You're right. I think if I would just give a gold star to the laughter yoga, that's wonderful. But now, let's just give folks a little practical help first thing make a list of places, you could go where you meet people that you laugh with. But. Wow. Do you make that big step of getting them to be your friend that one day? You can call and say are you my buddy? Can you come help me? Now, that's a big step. And I I know how to do it. Let's if you do now, it's a chemistry thing. You know, it's out in the lab, but you just feel that there is a comradeship when you meet somebody, and let them know that let them know that you feel comfortable with them, and you would like to get them know them better. And particularly one way is to invite people. Over for a meal. I mean the meal that you make or break bring in and it's a wonderful way and another way, and I've used this too. Because we had a very cold winter here in Kansas and fight a few people in and show a movie as. Yes, we watch the movie together. And then we talk about it. And then all of a sudden, you find all sorts of things that either you might have been related somehow down the line or actually you are inspired by the movie to do new things. So you're two devices that I use quite frequently less your because there's nothing like eating together to that's a great idea. But if you happen to be in a situation where you can't. Or maybe you just don't always want to invite them home. Like a lot of a group of us will go out for coffee after Taichi or something does doesn't lately that's negating everything we've done in the class, but never mind. But anyway, so now these people we pretty sure their friends and now for the grand climax as we come up to the end of the show. How do you find out when the when the day comes that say, maybe you're gonna need to have surgery? Maybe you just would like to have a little actual tangible help at home for something. What do you do? We've got plenty of sunshine. Let's hear it there depending on where you are. And like you say, you know, if you're in a a community of that has people that will come in amazingly. There are so many like there's generation United and it cetera various time groups support groups, and there's national triple A agencies on aging like you. Call eight hundred six seven seven one one one six and let them know that you've got a problem, and they will help you. They will give you these are national things that will help you and you connect there's a national council NCO S, which is a national council on. Aging and helping low income adult foot daily needs are seeing your corpse dot org. It's volunteer senior companion and also encourage you for foster grandparents now, we happen to have twenty two grandchildren. Which I'm I mean, you know, it's like my Cup runneth over because I'm an only child I had three daughters, but they all live away, but you can become a foster grandparent for somebody else. And I thought Stor grandparents when you really make the effort to become a part of another family. They will come and help you too. So it's it's very good to be able to. That's a super idea that really is. Now, if people couldn't get like the list of of the agencies that might help and all how can they get into? Touch with you aren't they're interested in your books. They're they're going to be in my book. I I've got lots of ribs sites that, you know, given agent. Phoebe for seniors on limited income is. I've done a lot of research if you will know I do that. But Sonny my dear the show's over. And now, here's here's how shows end. How shows end is. I say our guest today has been sunny Levin who is the author of many books for seniors on aging you can context sunny at. Are you then? Yes. You want? They want to contact me. Okay. I'll give you I can give you my telephone number or our website, whichever. One website would be good or we can even use my forgive him. What? Okay. All right. Well, they my website is make new friends live longer dot com. Hopefully, make new friends live longer dot com. You couldn't do better than that. Okay. That's what one of my books about how to. Sit down how to make new friends well sunny in it's just been so much fun catching up with you today. And you given us some terrific ideas. Keep doing that. I hope you feel better. My gosh. I hope don't call tension to it. I know, but I been there. I understand what you're going through. It's been a lot. But now, I gotta say goodbye, this has been swimming upstream. Our guest today was eleven and it just stay right? Where you are. Don't let the water wash over you. We're here all the time. So stay tuned. Well, you know, come back when you can you'll find. You'll find us at it's never too late dot com or as so be radio network dot com. Remember that SOB stands for funky old broads and all of those women over fifty. I hope you're having as good today as I am, and I hope today just better this is Dorothy Wilhelm. Thanks for listening to swimming, upstream, Dorthy Wilhelm. We'll be back next week reported casts at great ideas. 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KEEP CHRISTMAS ALL YEAR LONG SONG-WRITER H.C. WEINBERG
"The hello. Welcome. It's time to join Dorothy Wilhelm who had this very minute is swimming upstream because it isn't crowded there. This new show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going Dorothy gets crabby. If you keep waiting. Well, hi there. This is Dorothy Wilhelm once again, the swimming upstream. And why I do that. You may ask why do I swim up street will I do it because it's not crowded up there? And because on my way by I'm going to introduce you to interesting people that you wouldn't be anywhere else. I can promise you that for instance, right here in our lavish studios. I I have someone new, but he's not new he's slightly used. But he's he's a songwriter and entertainer who has changed his life completely. I would say would you say that? Yes, how they do northeast so far so good, okay? Rage thing. You may call him by his first name h see why in bird? What we're gonna we're gonna start impact to to tell you why he's here with us today. See this is the month that we have Easter last month. It was Saint Patrick's Day and Valentine's Day and say I'm actually thinking about taking my Christmas decorations. And then I got this note from from h c that he has written a song about making him everyday, Christmas and keeping Christmas all year Christmas Christmas all year long. This was my the Michaels flat. So anyway, I was so taken with that here. I wanted to just play just a little bit for you. So you can tell what he's done and why I liked it so much. So let's listen to what we call in the business, a tease each the what's wrong with your name that you don't wanna be called by it on sense for heavily concentrated. And that's my rap artist is all you have. So okay. Let's let's try. Let's just play listen to and joy just as a bit. Chris. Iowa. Bris is a wallman wonder season. Filled with generosity. It always seems to come and go so quickly. Zun frigging then. Even. So that was wonderful h c tell me the story. Why did you write this on? Well. Well. I just thought it'd be a good idea. I think I wrote on the twenty six and this end of December. No a couple years ago. But I mean, I'm joking about the date, but you know, did occur to me. Like, we do forget January second. And it's a seemed like it's ages ago the Christmas wasn't it's not true. You know, and it just like a like, the the concept and continuing with all year long starting January second, you know. And how our some of the ways we might do that besides playing your song. Well, we could reach your book. Dorothy. We could read them we could we could start at. That's something we can do. Christmas. Spirit. I couldn't think of the name of C. At least you notice. I'm I I'm there in equal. I can't remember the name of my book. Well, kind of. Note that just even from childhood just seemed like a shame. That's all as work up in the enthusiasm in the baking in the decorations spirits in the tinsel and the stars in Santa the green in the wreck, and then poof, January second disappears like never existed in you know, it's just it's too pleasant. Disappear that quickly I guess is what I was thinking. What were you hoping that people that that listen to your song? Maybe even saying along what were you hoping they'd feel and do well sort of in the lurch? You haven't heard them all, but you know, like, we don't either sleigh pulled by reindeer any old gift. You wanna give will do, you know? Right. And so that's sort of what I was thinking in July. Here's a little thing to suntan lotion. It's a sample size. It ought to work for your for your kid or you. You know? I mean, you know, what I'm saying? So it's the spirit of it. Right. Right. Yeah. Well, we'll put that really ties into. I've always thought everybody we meet hasn't get for us. I really truly believe that. Sometimes you don't want it. Sometimes it's the wrong size. But but everybody has something. And I do think that we miss a lot of gifts. I think he did just tied up at Christmas time. Yeah. Exactly. So I mean, there's there's just this plethora of gift giving an an, you know, it's spread out a little bit, right? It just might thinking. And like you said it can be corley wrapped or the wrong color, bow or noble at all. I mean, who cares? Right. It's it's the spirit of it in that. I think that's the crux of it. Continuing the spirit of the spirit of the holiday all year long. And how can we give as well as as as good as the idea right next to any of this song, Christmas all your lungs net? Chris was gift getting all year long. That's not the concept, right? Songwriter. Well, you know in singing along time, you know, a lot of this. You know, elementary school choir and chain you're is in high school schools. Always performing we are pretty good. So we go out there and perform, and I guess I I was trying to decide. Okay, water, right like novels or maybe being outdoor and or songwriter. And you know, I figured songwriting combines all that stuff. You can be a character and stuff, and you have control over unlike the script, you know, so and it's two and a half minutes to twenty perfect for short attention span, folks. Right. And right. That's the way it is now. Yes. Because in in the old times asong often was four to five minutes, and it may be still but not as often anymore. Certainly airlines his so's. It was a perfectly you for me. It was per. And so in you know, to me, that's the open our farmers, the two and a half minute pop song. That's catchy right? I mean, right. Yeah. So. It it hangs with you. And I just figured was catchy for me is going to be kitchy for America. And has that been the case, you know, it has been the case. For a couple of things that are kinda snuck on through there. Now, they get through the labyrinth of the music business. So I mean, I do feel that the challenge is getting it from you know, computer and Penn to the world, that's that's the hard that that first step is a Lou first step right for step of a thousand miles. So the question I think so I mean, that's that's sort of my sort of the thought is that this is going to resonate with with America. That makes any sense. I don't know. You know, it just well, do you have do you have other songs? Yeah. There's christmas. And then there's like tons of others. But you know, your your book caught my eye. Oh, I think she'd be interested here in this tune, you know, well, yes, I I think it's such a great idea. A lot of songs answer questions. How do is there anything we would know or? No. No, tell us how you got to be a songwriter writer in the first place. Right. Besides I know you wanted to. But as we said that for steps a Lula, what did you do that good question? So I had to learn a little guitar because I is running on fluids Qatar. It was hard to get a pin on the Trump, and is all you know, and then getting out another challenge. And then getting back in indoor the and then getting a backup, but so guitar seriously. It was a little six string of beat up thing. And so I was learning and all my friends were playing music and are better than I. And so they were good, folks. Learn from so they answered question. I just started learning low tar and honestly from the first three notes I can make team out of it. Report. What time is it? Now. You told me some stories about Johnny cash and all that that that was a while back. He's not with us. No, no. All right, while I was running for your show shows fluoro- so living in Nashville, and well, this doesn't just happen. You know, I feel you're leaving pieces. You don't just all of a sudden go in and right for Johnny cash. Practically anybody that's trying to tell you. I will tell you how I got into our casting. If he will tell me how you got into writing. Okay. Well, all right. So I was living in Nashville, and I was writing songs song songwriter in. I was playing different. They have writers nights, and they still do in and. As they say in the introduction these little clubs and welcome late in JAMA. He's a triple threat. He writes them he plies the man he signs them give it up gel read here. And that's what I was doing. I was writing the mouse plant them. And I was saying you saying end. And. Of the three the thing. I did the worst was playing him. I mean, you want to hear me play guitar, but I could sing them. Okay. And so and I was writing. Comedies kind of watching TV lots. And I could do this. You know? And I did I wrote for humor magazine back in college. Now that I think about it. So I've been doing that for awhile friend of mine said, you know, yours funny as those guys, and there's just nothing, but like on TD, why don't you try to you know, I think I will over coffee and Gretz one morning. You know? Yeah. Why not? So I did. And did that for awhile sending out scripts TD things out to LA? Then I heard that Johnny was minute show. He's always doing Trumpster is always the special that special summer show this show. And I heard he's coming to town was New York was CBS, and they had a. Country medium to be. Writer I found out. He had written anything who's gonna you know, they were in New York folks are coming to town. I just heard through the grapevine through the TV producers. Why don't you write some stuff? Get it in there in them when they realized they don't have anything. They're going to be happy. You're here, right? Actually, that's that's the way it works out did work, actually it. So he was operating on a Nashville time like in the guys come on in here. Well, we'll crack open a bottle of Jack. We'll kick some ideas around. Komo sa- funny stuff. That never happened. Sounds good. That's good. It was good philosophy. I think for say you were writing songs for it. No. It was a comedy comedy. It was good. Duchess Graham in June, and all the guests, and etc. Etc. Pretty exciting DVD run into the bottom line that everything you know. I haven't seen it. I showed us. They may be. They might be. You know, I haven't seen any good idea. Actually. Thanks. So I haven't looked. So I was wearing the night. I got offered some other shows and this and that right for this one and that one and in some of my just turned down because I just I couldn't do that that country humor LA. LA? Yeah. Johnny stuff was more for everybody. You know? Right. Yeah. But with the strictly come country, it isn't that you've got to know the country so much, but you've got another the dialect and the way they look at things. Yes. Exactly. And it wasn't me. I try and try. And it was also had interviews for L the writer for Saturday Night Live really I got in there. One one and a half times as potential. You're on your way in the door. Are we just filled it but glad you made it up to New York. Welcome to the Big Apple. I did. I didn't tell you that. But I got interview with the one other. Chop producers. And of course, she left the show two weeks after my interview perfect show biz tiny. But so it's always right. And so that's that's how I got the Johnny cash laying. It has nothing to do with the song in retrospect, I wish I pitched. But I was I was wondering scripts now if you knew then what you know now, what would you have done differently? I would've I would've used. Those introductions for the musical side of things. I was pretty young. And I was sort of awe, you know? Right. And it wasn't just him. It was like all the people who share the feeling the feeling and all the guests and holy cow. And. You know? I mean, even the I was, but I would have I would have employed that a little a little shirt. You know? But he you know, they didn't stuff made it on the air which made me feel good. You know, it's so different the way things get on the air the way things are produced that then people think they are many Pearl. Did I tell you? She's a good friend of my aunt. She's wonderful. She's dead. Of course. But all the good always. And I'm not feeling so good. You look spine. Dorothy. Thank you. I feel I. But you know. I think she was what? And she's wanted one of the only one in that group. I that I really knew as a friend the thing I loved about her was that she would always say like, they would all all always say. Now you back in town. You know, you've come to new call you'd be sure you call. She's the only one that meant she I could tell she minute. Just. It wasn't like a just an ice. Farewell, you know. And but her I learned so much from her about persona because there's such different than I kind of think that's what they're talking about gifts. Because you know, actually, we were on the TV show together. And I can't remember why right now. But anyway, she was just the personification of the person who is here is her persona, and it was perfect. And it was everything, you know, the little girl from Grinder's, switch the price tag. And all that. And she's a very poised very warm lady agents physicians wife, and but she knew how to keep those two things completely separate and she completely. Fooled people because it wasn't a fool of a mean thing where she completely believed for you completely did, and well it is it is. But that was how I learned my I I do have a person that my personas different way hers. Was this a lot different than where I am. And I think we all have to learn how to do that if we're going to stay alive in the in this business, and God knows this is the tail end. But, but it's off people, for example, a lot of people on the Johnny cash you loved accounting. He loved. He has his public image. But this was bookkeeping, right? Just carry like like Scrooge Myrlie Marlee would carry the books you on the car that he's he's doing the books just for him. He's doing for other people who knew, but you know, sometimes that's really funny because true not true that that a lot of times we hear things like that and accepted address when they are no more true than what you just made up. Shame on you. But let's go back to our the about keeping Christmas all year and the gifts that we might receive and give from others. So you so you had done all this as a young, man. And then you didn't do all this anymore. Jack up your bag and come home. Right. Oh, that's an interesting way to put it kind of you saying you back to the other thing. Yeah. Yeah. I would say. Good free to good description. Right. Then it was more than a little gap. It was a gap though, for sure the gap years and. Yes, that's true in and I decided to did decided the kind of do that, maybe even precipitously. So you know, what I'm saying before the it was hatched Wooding. What what hatch? What what? What farm? Yeah. Exactly. But you've got his so you and you were in if you if you don't watch reveal the exact business a pretty traditional business. I don't and you're correct. You're perceptive unless we talked about this before a little bit. But yes, that's a good way to phrase it almost. Not a lot of laughs. It's so so so there was this day in day outside of business, which was pretty secure. And but now you decide that you really want to take a bit of a leap in. You're not. I don't know. I don't like to call this to your attention. But you're not a really young guy. So were you at at the time you made this leap about how long ago was that. Early recently. What are the steps pretend because I guarantee you there are a lot of people there listening. I well, I hope there are a lot of people listening that that would like to leave it all behind and follow the dreams. I don't like the phrase find your passion to me, that's a different thing. But a lot of us have an idea or a feeling that there's something we came here to do. And we better do it. He took the words. I don't know. Exactly. I got your four. That's what I was thinking something else. I supposed to be doing a kind of know what it is about doing that. I should be is that what you're up to paraphrase. You right now, you say to divert, very succinctly. Yeah. Exactly. So that's what I was thinking. Kind of like, I've got all this music. I've been carrying it around. And it it should come out. Now us again in writing a fifty fifty when you know their songs, and then there's other stuff, but there's a fair amount of it. And I'm just thinking as you phrase, it is that old. Rabbinical saying, you know, if if I'm not for me than who if not now when? That kind of went through my head, you know, nine in a selfish way just in. Realistic way. Right. I mean now, how does your music you write music? How does how does your music come? When I'm writing my life, my newspaper, not to equate them. And yet, they're you know, there's a certain process. How do you know when you got something? That's a good question. You should do the interview. I kind of I kind of think that's what I like to do. I want to get it. Put us dry goods business. Johny during the dry goods. Should I be doing? I know transmission repair another. Unsuited? Yeah. I I got to find the car and say we're still top on the bottom. I go here. Yes. Oh, look, it's a start. Well, I think I just know. I don't want to jinx anything. I'm not Mr. producer. I don't want. But, but I mean, I can I, you know, I don't know what it is note. It runs your head. You get that hook. And it keeps playing, and that's how the be honest with you at any point in the process. I think has really true. 'cause I know again for me, you know, people always say what's your call about this week? Well, choose to tell you usually don't know it. I mean, I'm gathering things. I'm gathering information all kinds of things of interest. But I often don't really know a a never in life with I say, well, you know, sit down they say sit down and write. Yes. But that isn't the way to do that kind of kind of thing is that at some point they'll be a hook somebody will say something or I will see something. It's like, I think the one that the you wrote to me about was the, you know, not to to tie it all back in, but the but the Christmas all year long because I was keeping my collection of Santa's on the fire. Replace. And I I added I just couldn't take him down. I added heights. I still in the hands the heart. I did. And and you can even see it even go to the news Tribune website and see those see the sand is news Tribune dot com, and I just signed her contract. So there is that, you know, well for an old rod, you know, doing really well, anyone, you know, speaking of I see my neighbor, I see Christmas lights up still. See my people. I love that. You know, why not I had I had a friend who was Jewish back. But in in our young days in the army, and she really hated that. We lived at double duplexes in the Presidio emphasis was open, you know. And so we would all decorated doors, and she had she would put a pink. She liked pinks. She could kink and food was a Hannukah doors. It's you know, why not you read my mind the follow up team for this negligence. I don't have to change much of the lyrics. The little seriously seriously seriously is it exactly what the idea is. It isn't anything big or whatever. But things that make you think and laugh and say well now, you know, here's somebody just like I am. But but different different different casings in. They'll we come along people right now is really a little harder than it used to be to be cheerful and upbeat in. And there's always been problems people have always had trouble. But. Why give us a little just we're going to play your your whole song on the way out? But give us a little as you would be writing along. Just give me a little. I wanna hear you saying is what it is. Okay. We know what sometimes the baseline locate. And so on this one will them on bump bump bump bump ch-? A little bump bump on on on. Don't bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-ba. Bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-ba bomb bomb bomb bomb founded on bomb bump it on. Better. Bumping a bump bump bump bunked won't bump bump on bump on Christmas all year mega Christmas, Dahlia them being. That's it. Baseline comes first pass interesting. Yeah. That's that's interesting. And so that you you could kinda here that and then, you know, you're going to sorta drop the rest over all the time. Baseline comes first, you know, not always sometimes, it's, you know, in this in this one here, I think is probably the lyrics 'cause it because of the feeling and whether you have the billion you have lyrics and all that. Well, it doesn't make you think about because you know, there's. It's almost like I, and I even said, it ideas are a diamond dozen everybody thinks they have great ideas. And they often do but everybody has ideas is like what happens next. What are you planning to do with? Are you asking me? Sure, I was going to ask you, do you see? That's what I'm thinking. Who else? Do. I see what you. That's a really good question. That's the challenge, and that was part of my process, or whether it was you know, that is the challenge. The answer is I don't have the answer. That is the answer. You know that much about short. Nah parks businesses. Certainly changed in the last x amount of time used to be very. Vertical? Now, it's quite horizontal in my mind, if you know what I'm saying. So it's a lot of this. I'm moving my hands left the right on a plane. Kind of interesting. Versus vertical up and down now up and down motion. As far as the, you know, the music business at any rate. So the answered question, I'm not sure and there's no more Dallas. I may. Start to hook into those in create them by can't find them pre existing, you know, sell anyway for you here is the likeliest to say sixty four thousand dollar question since you you decided to follow your dream and make Christmas every day at all that as it working. Well, not just me. I've been to the world that large. Hopefully, we'll get inundated starts yet. All is. I'm there, you know. Yeah there, and I think a lot of other people would be there if they thought about the idea honestly have the song being played in the summer. You know, what I'm saying we really forget or even February those dark days eating January can March, you know, you know, but people start to for people forget and like Christmas lively be a good time to play the sought to remind the only. Yeah. Over certainly said, I'm like Christmas all year long and in so I guess that's that's one song of others in the challenges. Of course, you know. Out of pitch it. I say it's not as linear as it was. So I am the process of working. Now, we all I think we should end. We should all let me give you this wish may we all work on Christmas every day every day of the year and to remind you've been listening to AC Weinberg and me as we swim upstream. And I think I think they see we'll just we'll just go out with your song. But hang on a minute. I have to do this thing. If you want to get in touch with us where at it's never too late dot com, and you can find all of our recordings all of our shows. They are are at SOB radio network dot com. And of course, SOB stands for a spunky old. And all the hosts are women over fifty. I'm way over fifty. But I'm still having fun. I hope you are too. And now, let's listen to Christmas. Christmas all your log by HCC Weinberg. This is Dorothy will help. Thanks, sir. Thank you.
Women Kicking Glass Pattie Grimm
"Hello welcome. It's time to join. Dorothy wilhelm who had his very minute is swimming upstream. Because it isn't crowded there. This new show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going. Dorothy gets crappy. If you keep waiting this incident will help and we are once again swimming upstream breaststroke. Today i think my get my special guests. I'm really excited about this. Is patty grim. And she's written a book called quiet. Women never changed history. Be strong stand up and stand out the sub motto is. Let's go kick some glass now. Patty is a passionate woman leader. Who is dedicating her life to empowering women and girls to be the best they can be in any endeavor they choose. She is an author speaker trainer. Coach all in one type package here. Podcast guest and women's advocate. She's walked a mile in your shoes gone from rockstar to rock bottom and came back stronger than ever. Patty has over twenty five years experience as a senior leader for global companies like microsoft and johnson. Johnson she runs her own training and consulting company focused on building great leaders building rockstar teams and fast tracking business results. While i stop by for us today patty welcome. It's such a pleasure to be here. We were having such a fun conversation. Before we started recording your producers. You got record this. This is too goods. How the terrible thing is can we remember. Well let's start with your feet with. I loved this. A someone's calling me that. I don't wanna talk to you i love it's about being from rockstar to rock bottom or what yes. Let's start there. How do you explain that into less. So i had an amazing career with microsoft. I was there for fifteen years and their global. Enterprise team traveled. The world actually lived in asia ran their asia pacific. Enterprise team for a while For three years and came back. And i actually went through a moment where i was rockstar. I was on that corporate ladder climbing my way up in my red eye. Red high heels. I know we're not on video. But i have my red high-heeled dorthy climbing up that corporate ladder and i got to a point that i literally went from rockstar rock bottom where i found myself on my floor and my bathroom in a combination of tier hysterical tears and sweat. Because i couldn't get up to go to work that day. I mean i had fallen so far that i had crashed and burned. I've been to tons of doctors. Doctors nurses nurse practitioners. The kept telling me i was depressed. I had anxiety ahead and glen failure. One doctor told me i was gonna die in six months. If i didn't do something. And i knew i had to pick myself back up again because before that i'd been the energizer bunny you can't have depressed energizer. Bunny that's that's that's an oxymoron. Like service and leo military intelligence. All those oxymorons we hear about a depressed energizer bunny so so that moment inspired me to then spent time researching interviewing thirty two hundred people on what makes great women leaders that kind of went into the book. And that's my real passion right. Now is really empowering women and girls allow to start with a question to relax you went. You interviewed thirty. Two hundred people. Is that correct. Well actually it was the inspiration for me to go interview thirty two hundred people and do the research to come up with the the secrets to be a strong empowered confident woman leader so And is now more plans more important than right now. I mean the elections around the corner depending on when this airs. Who knows what's going to happen in a couple of weeks We're the crisis moment for women right now. Well now when you say that and you're absolutely right we were. We were kind of encapsulating. The changes we've seen in our lifetime. I do go back to the days when those two things for a woman to be married or poor thing and it was a secretary or ormerod. But that's even better but no there was secretary beauty. You work in a beauty salon. You could be a teacher but that was all but no it was generally. Oh she didn't get married for thing you know and we got our at i. I went to college. I went semester gonzaga university in spokane when the first opened it to women is i was ahead ahead of my time to but once you've got your mis degree. There was no reason to go on. Because what was the point that and that's how much you know things just from there to here of course washington state where we live Or one of us. Anyway we women have the vote and lost it before we were ever even estate. And that's the thing that's haida style but anyway so this with actor background. We come ahead now to your generation. What what what. What have you done for us ahead. write my book. I you know one of the reasons. I still talk about kicking. The glass ceiling is because we are literally at this crisis moment. And we've come so far but women still are underpaid underserved up underrepresented. We still make eighty one set between sixty four cents for some women have colored. Eighty one cents for caucasian men Women where men earn a dollar. They're still thirteen states in the. Us of not passed equal rights amendment from the nineteen seventies. Thirteen states today and some are finding it. So we're actually at this real crisis moment. And what i'm doing is preaching and teaching and doing workshops and webinars to wake up men and women that were the crisis moment. The newest study shows one in four women's considering leaving the workplace or downsizing because of copa crisis so we'll get this critical moment going back home to be a little housewives again because her husband is making more money so young some cases. What's interesting. You've probably seen this on. tv. You see the tv. There was a cute little thing about a year or so ago about a guy interviewing for a job on video and his little kid comes in and the wife comes in and tries to pull the little kid out by feet a really cute little funny seeing and everybody said oh. Isn't that a great. He's a great dad. Now if you're on zoom meetings and you're a woman and your kid comes in the room. What a lot of people are thinking is. I wonder if she's handling it all capable issue capable of handling it all while men are helping with housework or duties around the house and home schooling all. The research still shows the majority that falls on the woman. Well it does and it's for a long time. I said you know times are all i mean. There are always problems and everything's difficult. You could always work. Something in times have changed so much. I can tell you that it's so totally different now. In many ways it was way way. Way way worse when i was young but the rules were very clear. And there's something to be said for that you know. I'll share a quick kind of funny story. So when i was in banking i went from being a part time teller to vice president of division when i was twenty eight years old and i was in one of these big meetings in downtown los angeles on the sixty four th floor of is building this meeting with all these men and i would describe them. As male pale and stale. They were all old white men middle aged old white men. I was the only woman in the room. And we've been in this meeting for like two hours three hours. I had to go the bathroom. So i got up to walk out the room. And one of the male pale stale guys kind of put his chest up and said where you going young lady. And i looked at him and said i'm going to the bathroom and you have two choices. I can pee on this conference room floor. Or i could go to the bathroom and be back in two minutes. Where do you want me to do. And i walked out the door right so the the first thing i want women to do with being able to stand up for themselves to be vocal to be visible to be valuable right we have to work twice as hard to sometimes get recognized or voice heard but you need to work that hard to get recognized and what you do right. I want women to play to their strengths and be the best. They can be Collaborate with other women not compete and support other women not sabotage them. How are you doing this. How are are you getting this information to them. Especially in these in these times when we're separated it's very difficult. I'm sure i've been doing a lot of presentations at conferences and advanced for men and women. 'cause men are key part of this as well. We mean man's as allies to help lift women and help us. Stay in the workforce. i've been doing. I think i've since june i've done fifty pod more than fifty podcasts across all kinds of broad is to get the message out i'm doing the linked in and social media and twitter like when the study came out about one in four women leaving imagine losing twenty five percent of your workforce and you're probably losing your best women and i so i've been putting that in twitter and linked in various groups out there to kind of get the message out. What kind of reaction you getting. You know what's interesting. I posted one of these and in linked in i've never seen such an active Pro and con. I had mostly men come back and say oh no no women are equally paid and so then i send the reports say no. We're not right. They actually said a global world economic forum came out and said of women were equally paid. Globally it would be worth twelve twenty trillion not billion trillion with a t to the global economy of women. Were paid equally. So i've been raising the flag and it was so funny to see some of these comments and men come back to ono wilbert woman make the same amount of money. I'm helping my significant other. My partner my spouse just as much as she is The fact is it's it's not coming up in the workplace. Well i'm the mother of four adult sons and two daughters so you're not gonna catch me badmouthing men. I think peter the some way we've got to got to do this together. I'd like to thank my sons are all different. I know they all sounds like you. Just just because you stand up for women doesn't mean you're anti man i will never mail bash. We need them as allies. We need them as sponsors and supporters. And i want men to understand this one message that when she rises. You do not fall but you know that's interesting i'm lead you say that but i don't think it's true. I think that that she that that many men see and many made in many mothers maybe and certainly mothers-in-law see. That bennett is an either or always deceased. Saw she goes up. He goes down. What can we do. How can we. How can we rely happen with the everybody. Has i think we need to give people the fair opportunity for the for the right jobs and get him in the right jobs. Let them and excel As you go up the corporate ladder there's fewer and fewer jobs and those higher level positions. But how could it be not an either or and or a win lose game. How do we create a win win. Game where she rises. Do not fall. That is really good. And i like it. I think we should have. T shirt has gotta a t shirt. Let's make a shirt got kicking glass. So they'll make. I have from an earlier earlier show. I have a company that does t shirts that we don't have to pay for it. They'll just pay us royalties. We'll do it. We'll do it. So i will wear it stretched across more than ample bosom and me too. I think a lot of ways people laugh about t shirts. I happen to as you can see. I like his Because i think it's a way of when you meet someone and you have a statement here and they know where you are or are they at least is something you can't you can't say we're starving from pretend you're going to get to change the world and i know you plan to. I know you already have. But let's say starting from today. What can we all do together. Because as really i'm i'm a big one on we're all in this together Maybe five things to start with first one but what can we. What can we do recognize that. It's not an either or world it's a world of and today a. n. d. of and that we can all be in this together. Many of the. I mean my thing is being a women's advocate but many of the things i talk about apply to people of color. They apply to men of color of things. I need to do like play to your strengths before long. Stand out put yourself number one on your things to do list and pay it forwards number two for me would be pay it forward as you move up. Look for people around you that you can lift up with you. Surround yourself with people who are different from you. Yes sameness so another one is sameness in the world. Today is the kiss of death. Couldn't agree more. I would never never offense to anybody. Never living in in a slight fifty plus seen senior community no point. I know what they think you know. You need to meet new people. You need to okay so this is the kiss of death right and that we need to strive for inclusive workplaces for all in in that idea of sameness. If you look around your company and you all look the same or you all went to the same university right. We're washington huskies. You might be washington cougars right. We have rivalries amazing. You jokes like you know what happens to Around the road they the die. They're considered roadkill jokes. What it's like now but talk talking about diversity about the new of a hockey team the crack in now. That's different that's good. That's very different. And we until i was lived in washington for twenty five years in redmond. Seattle bellevue kirkland. That that on that side of the world and we now live in palm springs california. So we're getting your Your Hockey team here in the desert. It's there Farm team at their farm team. I was trying to think of the word and it comes up but anyway they just decided on the name of the mythical creature the crack which i just love so this is good. We have got three. It's it's a world. Oops i just threw my side. That's my pen on the floor. You bend over okay. Keep going so it's a world of either or and this is not a world of either or it's a world of pay it forward. Sameness is the kiss of death rebels. Bend over as you're bending over. I will say this to everybody. Play to your strength all right you can. You can go and you can go and does a a gentleman named marcus buckingham. Wrote a number of books on strength finder. you can buy his book relatively inexpensively. There's a questionnaire there and you can take a free questionnaire or take a disc d. I essays a big d little. Sc profile of figure. Out your strength and play to your strengths. If you play to your strengths you're gonna be more productive. You're gonna contribute more the organization. You're going to be happier and you're going to have less stress so strengths and don't try and be something you're not be the best you everybody else is taken when you say. Played your strength. So how would it have in mind. some people are more analytical. Some people are more heart and carrying giving some people make decisions with their head. they're visionaries and some people make decisions with their hearts. It's sort of like we all have natural preferences it's like if you're right handed or left handed you were probably born with a preference being right handed or left handed. If i asked you to take your pin right now and write your name. You know three times with your regular hand. It's gonna feel comfortable natural normal not stressful. If i ask you to put your pin in your opposite hand your non dominant hand and ask you to write your name. three times. It stressful it hurts. You can't figure out how to hold a pen so get your weaknesses. Like i'm not a good numbers person. I'm a visionary big picture kind of person. If i do a presentation of virtual presentation i can create a slide deck and i can prove it a hundred times. I won't see the one typo where i used the word. Twa o. said a two. We're actually that's been who was opposite. Proof it s. Why way girls like us. Mary guys like him. That's the way it is. We're high creative high creatives. Don't say typos. That's just the way. It is reformed account. He's a reformed accountant wealthy. Now look this opposite so if you play to your strengths of what you need to do is surround yourself. strikes you don't you don't so many people fill in your gaps. Do you have any kind of an organization for people who say yes sister. If they say they won't say that. But pretend because i go back to the era when they did. This is this. What what are you do. So supposing you really. i'm really agree with. The heck is sue as sue on your cup. Oh it's a suit talk so the something called tad talks. Something called sue talks. Which is ted talks for women. I love it. I never heard of before they can sing and dance for. Super unstoppable empowered women changing the world. So what i was asking. Yeah that's marvelous. And kind of like what i was asking because i was gonna say especially i think there are a lot of entrepreneurial women now i know i that are have businesses from a their locality As i said ninety who's going to hire me. So i almost have to have it but but there are many people they have kids at home. I i work with virtual assistant whose whose kinser there and it doesn't you know they come in. They go so you don't have to be it doesn't have to be the same. It doesn't have to be the way it was. It can work for you now. And he cautions anything's you'd say don't do especially for women. Stop trying to be perfect. Stop trying to be the perfect mom. The perfect wife the perfect. This is a perfect spouse significant. Other the perfect boss. The perfect this perfect tdap. Perfectionism will kill you. And here's the definition of perfectionism. It's a personality. Trait characterized by overly high expectations of performance combined with carrying too much about what other people think riot. If somebody i tell people when i do presentations. I'm not perfect. And i don't want to be perfect. I want to be great. At what i do and what i love and if you find a typo in one of my slides i'll give you my book for free just so i make a joke out of it. But we're able to realize that perfectionism absolutely will we'll put you into that space where you're considering leaving worker downsizing your career. Nobody can be Anybody we've only got. That's that's generation on my generation. It was all right to do that. I know it's not anymore with s life. i will always have. Us had anyone. That's like okay so one we need. We've only got five minutes now so The other things not to do or is that just the most important thing stop. Stop trying to be perfect. I would say. I would put it in a more. In a more positive sense. I would say strive for excellence. Not perfection okay. And so that's sort of my thoughts and part of what you'll find I do have a special offer for your audience of your listeners. For my book but What your it's all in there. There's research about how to write a personal vision statement. How to be strong. How to figure out your strengths How to stand up. How stan so all that. In in the book with exercises activities as we barreled down the home stretch. I think it would be perfectly fair to say that. That book with them kicking no was that class. It's been white women and is usually twenty dollars in But in this case just for just for us right. It's if you go to https that's important again double slash. Www women kicking class dot com slash book. You can have the book for only ten dollars in colluding over two hundred dollars in free bonuses and three s h well fine been worshiping in handling and there's exercises activities or thanks to put this all in the place Yeah it's super cool. Well this this is really incredible. I think you've clearly how long you say you've been working on this well to took me three years. And all the research to do the interviews and write the book. I've been this doing on this. Women's advocates since the nineteen eighties late eighties early nineties. So i've been doing this a long time. Somebody told me. I shouldn't say i have more than thirty years of experience. I should say. I have twenty five plus well thirty years i with you. I've got. I've got close to the funny thing is people want to say. Oh seven years young. No by golly i met he's seven years old. I've lived this long. I know a lot out of it. And i'm proud of it and i wanted credit for every day now atty grim. This has been like oak whirlwind. This has been like legion. We never slowed down. We didn't even come close to covering all material nevertheless in the last two minutes. That was the last two minutes shape up signal. Give the give our listeners. Something inspirational that will carry them through till the next time we meet. I want them to be bold. I want them to be brave. And i want you to be brilliant. I want you to celebrate who you are and laugh at all those things that you think you don't do so well i mean enjoy life. It's too short to be so serious. Although in my case it hasn't been. I have to think of another excuse. I remember the time. I walked onstage and fell flat on my ass in high heels and a skirt and at lake there late on microphone saying well. I never noticed that on the ceiling before good to a top just laugh. Oh yeah i really agree now. All of this that we've been talking about is in your book. Women women take notice a little dyslexia Click women never changed history. Be strong stand up stand out. Let's go kick some glass. So and i was gonna tell them that if they wish they could get a list of the things the news and don'ts we've talked about by going to our website swimming upstream radio show and you have questions or ideas. It would be dorothy as swimming upstream radio show and if patty which how would you like them to contact you the easiest thing. I'm a really really simple person right. is email me so my email is padded. Grimmett live dot com. And i'll spell that it's p. a. T. t. e. g. r. a. m. m. at l. i v. e. dot com pedigree. Grimmett live dot com. And if you email me i will send you a personal vision roadmap to help you write a personal vision statement to guide your life for free. What a wonderful idea. Penny has just been a joy. Having you here we'll hope we'll have you back again. We'll cook up some devil now. I love it. I love it. Thank you dorothy thank you. That was patty grim. I'm dorothy will. This is swimming upstream find us as swimming upstream. Radio show dot com. And we'll be doing we'll come back soon. Doing the backstroke by now. Thanks for listening to swimming upstream. Dorothy wilhelm we'll be back next week with more great cats great. No telling what she'll do next. Be prepared if you just can't wait contact or dnr swimming upstream facebook page or on the web at www. It's never too late dot com. This is the irrepressible sad longer.
RICH WILLIAMS EATONVILLE ALLIANCE
"The hello. Welcome. It's time to join Dorothy Wilhelm, who had this very minute is swimming upstream, because it isn't crowded there. This new show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going Dorothy gets crabby, if you keep waiting. This is Dorothy will hell. And again, I'm swimming upstream like the man says and getting a little wet. But it's okay as I promised to another shows swimming upstream is a place where you'll meet people, you wouldn't meet any place else, and today that is certainly true. Our guest is rich Williams, who represents and his one of the Gators of the eaten out, not just visualize the eaten Ville arts and history alliance. Now, you may wonder why am I interested in the Ville arts and history lions, whereas eaten Bill anyway? Tell them rich. Well, we're a small community about twenty five miles south Tacoma of near mount Ranier? We have a very rich history. I'm here today, because I might love of history along with orgies. And we hope to inform you on. We are. And what heating bills this would have been a good chance right now. See this is radio. We do it now. So tell me about in the first place couple things I heard that I was interested in, you have a love of history. Tell me story about eating dill that I will move, it will make me want to know more about it. Got a couple for you. Why are you while you're shuffling your papers around? I will tell you my favorite even Bill straight. You know, end if it's the same one so much the better, one of one of the stories that I have in my book, which is true tales of Puget Sound is about the fact that eaten Ville is almost definitely responsible for the phrase that was very popularly used a few decades ago, painting, the town red. Do you know that then tell about it? Well, gentleman Cyrus snow came. Nineteen hundred he was their first mayor also was the owner of the Bill hotel, which is located right next to the current key bang, and the recently came beaten, Bella was, there was rumors soil. There was rich in copper, and he found actually or deposits near Legrand Washington, which is about three miles away any found out or was a real soft rock that he could crush very easily and the powder could be mixed with lists seed oil to create this star red color. Elite mill was a rural town in there wasn't much pain around so big gun, you're painted red. But it was called what's called Michelle, Michelle red because of the because of the copper, the Michelle river in the Michelle river both calima data lean out. Anyway, he created the success paint company into coma for a few years. And eventually move the company that coma and it was believed it was eventually purchased. Parker pain and all all across the country, people painted their towns red, and that was that was so to me, and there is still one building. Tell about it is still one building in eaten Bilas painted Michelle read. You got me on that. He's thinking over the little the little cabin the cabin is they just repeated. I think last year set of any. Yeah. So this good see history here, here's the thing about history is constantly changing. We think history is something stays the same, but it doesn't wonderful. What, what is your favorite eating history story? Probably the most influential story of always a gentleman called Henry niggly retina, by not share, in nineteen twelve l l Bemba was the county superintendent came up to eat Val native was a school board member and the asked Mr. gamble is quote, white cana-, poor match trial as good a schooling as a rich man's child imbo, it never been asked this before. So he pondered it and he came up with the solution. The rural communities were rich in timber, and these Timberland's taxed not only for the, the timber, but for the lumber so he allowed these taxes. Become part of the ram for the local school districts, so he proclaimed this would be an opportunity for children in the rural areas. So what happened was eaten Bill now was rich and capital had a school board. That was progressive the hired a young van called w Lyon to be the superintendent. And he was given the mandate to build a school second, not. So he was a graduate of Washington state college heels to kind of the golden boy to the president of the college, so he and his mentor president actually designed eaten Bill school district. And when it was built it was considered to be twenty five years ahead of its time, just to give you an example. The gymnasium at a regulation basketball court boxing ring indoor track swimming pool men's and women's locker rooms shower rooms, etc. And the high school was built two years later, and governor Lester was actually there for the for the cornerstone, laying the cornerstone, what year is that again, in nineteen twenty six six and other than the three RS of agility included? Chemistry lab music and drama departments with an auditory manual training area agricultural lab domestic science area, which is now called home economics and a cafeteria and the reason I bring this story up is because I think this single quote had really more impact than almost anything that happened in our community, and Mr. wrinkly somebody very few people here about jobs is good story. Tell me tell me the single, quote again, single, quote was he said this to Mr. Bamble? Why can't a more match trial has good a schooling as a rich man's child? You know, a lot of things from your small town that really great event and Smits in the whole area around. I know that one of the colleagues of Mr. vani in the original was the doctor that founded Mary bridge hostile ever story on him. Good. While we'll get to him in a minute. But you've said, I, I gather from listening to you, that you have a real worry that if we don't act, a lot of the things that are precious about our history will be lost. I was out. The other room there's another rooms. Yeah. I don't have to live in here. You know. There was and I was talking to gentleman. I'm pretty sure there's a gentleman, but not positive because we're the same age. We're both eighty five. He and I and he say, young people today, you know, they're just not interested in history. They don't care. But, you know, we didn't either I think people are wired to be out into the world. I think it's up to us to make interesting and important, I know that what you've done to make get interesting and important was to be the founder are one of the founders of the Bill arts and history alliance. Tell me a little about that. Interstitial ask, what is the prize? About ten years ago, we created this alliance, starting with history really out of necessity due thousand ninety while eaten bell was experiencing their centennial. In high school been under a two year reconstruction and was now going to open that same year. So we decided are honored to do a rededication highschool. Both of the events went off very well as I said, our focus was on the school. Pat in other people were focused on the community, but we had a question after it was all over is. What do we do with all his information in mature roles now these fence? As if we, if we don't do something with them, they're gonna end up right back in the addicts where we found so a solution, we came up with was, let's go to the pool district, and see if they will incorporate local history into their curriculum. They were fairly reasonable willing to ask us questions and have us try this with the school board. We had basically three reasons why we wanted to do this. The obvious was to serve the history. Let me just permits. Let's repeat review right? It was that we had that you wanted to save 'cause I think we may have skipped over the head to fast that you had down covered at that event, basically, I'm getting basically, the three strong points that I think are serious. I'm gonna I'm gonna just tell you that if you keep moving around the our producer who hides in the computer is not gonna be able to hear you gotta stay. See it's magic. You gotta believe in magic store. Okay. So what tell me again, to be sure people understand what we're what you did. And what we're talking about. Talking about the school event and the just a little. Yeah. Just kinda originally. It is with the school. We went back at a ninety seven year history. So we went back and created visuals of Baga Fay's of the keep people were teaching there. We have football uniforms, basketball uniforms, cheerleader up fits class pictures, dated back to nineteen twenty seven and all of this was in an area were we had over six hundred alumni show up and they had an opportunity to, to view all of this. Appreciate the history. Not okay. The other thing we had recently retired schoolteachers that gave up and gave talks to their former students. And the current superintendent and principal, actually did the rededication proclamation so and all that told you now he's not gonna be able to hear me. You know, I just go. Did you now I did the same thing. Did you notice? That I'm sure that was a that was a clever ploy to illustrate a point. And the point was that if you get too far away from your projects, you're gonna lose it. So. So you decided to found the an alliance that would sponsor, the press of preservation but we found out the same thing you're talking about. We had about six hundred people show up in most of the audience graduated from medial in the forties. Fifties sixties. So we haven't quite reached that student that you're you're talking about coming coming. Yeah. So after the events Rover, we went to the school board, again asking them if we could get local history in the Brigham itself. And the obvious first reason was wanted to preserve the history. But Secondly, we felt the students were learn about the lives in efforts. Previous generations tribute to this community and surrounding area, their lifestyle, their values their dedication sacrifice to creating something bigger than themselves ended people grasp that they see I think people get to be Asia, at least by age you speak much younger. But I think we, we begin to feel that, well, I wanted to matter that I was here. I don't want to just I as I always say, come to the point where I realized the door now only swings away, but I wanted to matter that I was here when, when you talk about doing something bigger than yourself, the school was perfect focus that they had Bill. Institution, not only for their own children. Learn institution. That was serving right? And these students are the future generation so it's like the taunt has now passed to you. It's now you to carry and what will be your legacy? How will they contribute to something bigger than themselves? So people responded to that. I think it's a constant constant challenge. If you can't be front, the students, it will not necessarily toiling schoolwork, if what's going gonna happen. It's gotta be there. Yeah. Well, it's actually is interesting. You should say that we have a special event, coming up that we're hoping to bring focus a little attention on the on the project. You mean to tell about? Thank you for, including us in your book, citing tour and your book signing event in Eaton Bill on Saturday, June twenty second at the high school auditorium. We hit on at time as yet. The time. It's really juror discretion. Do you now we just a moment. We're just going to step aside whisper. So try not to be distracted do afternoons or evenings work better for your folks. Either. I, I think evenings early evenings may be better for the audience. Okay. Let's say seven o'clock, okay. Seven o'clock cer- on June twenty second June twenty second, and what exciting things will happen. Well, I will be doing what of my famous Toy Story presentations, I don't do readings because I think most people read very well. That's what I think that I know I know it, but I do tell stories with pictures, so as practically as good as a book, and I will always focus on the town that I'm visiting. So we'll have those stories and we will have a lot of fun, and we will have a book the minute book to tales of Puget Sound available to sign and by if you wished but there won't be sales pitches in that isn't the primary purpose of this. The primary purpose is to help us be aware, and I guess. Sighted, enthused rejuvenated about the possibility of letting people know why it matters to say we've had the tour has a huge screen. Oh, good standard. I along with that. You're going to have a PowerPoint presentation with pictures, you know, the funny thing is I never been a professional speaker for thirty five years. I never used a PowerPoint slides in the old days. I always said, I the visual aid, but, but with the history, stories, people really like to see what we're talking about. They really want to see you know that what it was. I can get an idea of. For instance, the spot of the first fort in Washington territory, in DuPont. Is now vacant lot. I mean, it's just making less I show, I show this nice to start with not always. I haven't decided show any Bill yet, but I shall this nice acre lot. Well, if they didn't see it, you know, you may think that. It will vacant lot. Why would we need to see it, it doesn't matter? Because now all of a sudden, that's, that's all there is. And we have to make the decision. Do we want to let everything else go to do what to be left with just vacant lot with just and it's exciting when you think of is? So, you know, to have a chance to, to do this, we've done tours of know, over which is a vacant field like you say, and we do have a route introduce point. We have an easel that would show with the mill threat perspective. We talk about it with the kids. We go around us loop, but the final stop is d. Tom Galbraith mansion, which is still in town. I don't know if I bit the kids, get to go up, and go through it and touch this kind of a really fun thing. So how often you do that? With the school kids, how often do you do that? We were doing her never year. Well, that's nice. What what Trump worth grades? Grades ideal. You can still tell them things all the teacher got a real champion and as a member of our lines. So we really appreciate her ever, she doesn't. You know, this is a thing I have found out in, in doing the book everywhere you go. There are people and it's almost like, Harry Potter. The magic things there are people who are almost magic people, and they, they can do so much more for some reason than anybody else can do. And it's hard to tell why. But if you find those folks, and you just follow them, and good things will happen. You know, it would be fun. In fact, I've lied to meet that teacher celery. Absolutely. Well, I guess the conclude that second thought it to me. I think that learning the practical things in like actually is more important to person all the facts, and that's what you're watching, too. I think once the kids, realize that I think they'll have a real thirst for this type will, you know, I, I agree. And I think that for me when I found out I always tell people what I what I started to write this book, I was writing entirely different books than it came out to be. Because I thought I was writing a book about all of the towns that we visited with a TV show and people totally stories. But when I went back and researched the stories they weren't that way at all as so is, it's wonderful to find out, I have to come passionate about what I call small history that is, it's not Lewis and Clark standing in a like that it's like when you realize that. Yeah. And they did that make on the Pacific Ocean, but juggle below longer than they thought it would because, you know, they had food poisoning for two weeks and lay on the side of the road unable to move. Well, now you begin to get a handle on the fact that they were real people, not just explores absolute and every place we go. We were lucky when the first time we came to eat and Bill, Mr Robert Vanney was still alive, and he did a wonderful with his marvelous mustache. He had a mustache like no one else in the whole new rubber yesterday of the world. And he told us about, you know, being in the wagon with with his father and how they guys far as eaten Dillon. He said, never Nagla in for this. This is it. But again, when you understand Israel people. I feel as if this small history that makes the Lij if street make sense. So we can kind of say that we hope that then people will come lots of people we would like them to come and join us on June twenty second at seven o'clock. There will be many surprises. We don't know quite yet, we're going to surprise anyone. But there will be many surprises than it will be lots of fun. And we will keep you abreast of the details as they develop. If you go to my website, it's never too late dot com. Although, you know, rich, sometimes it is too late. But that's another story anyway. So can you think of anything else, tell them right now? Well, the anything else would clued in nineteen. Seventeen we actually expanded our alliance to include the arts and is, you know, when school budgets or cut, usually, the arts, one of the her is that are all have. All we have we have now two professors from civic mooner university in our group of Linda, Miller, and they are helping the school district enhanced the band choir and drama departments. And we're working with elementary and middle school art programs to make sure these programs vital and remained an important part of the curriculum. And we're actually even working with the peel you drama department and the suggestion came up. Maybe a senior student for credit, come up direct a play running lane idea that wonderful. I haven't been very accommodating one office so at encourages us. Well, that's wonderful. And I really rich Williams that wanna thank you again for taking time. I know this is a busy day for you, but I really appreciate your coming and we hope everybody you your your passion. I assure among others, I'm not gonna ask. But this in this case is the. Eaten bills arts at history alliance, and we're going to be having a special event where I will be bringing being my, my. Slapping wanna call the PowerPoint PowerPoint has a certain ordinariness to it, my storytime with pictures to the Bill auditory real high school autocrat on June twenty second as seven o'clock, and we're gonna have some fun, absolutely will, especially thank you. Thank you, or coming, and being with us, and I wanna thank you all for being with us today. You know, you can visit swimming upstream, anytime, if you just go to WWW you don't even have to do that anymore, you know that it's never too late dot com. And all of our shows are right there, or you couldn't go to SOB radio network dot com now, remember, SOB stands for spunky old broads, and all the hosts are Ramin over fifty and we'll be back soon. Again, this is Dorothy will help I'm going to do the breaststroke now by thanks for listening to swimming upstream. We'll be back next week with more great guests, great ideas, no telling what she'll do next be prepared. If you just can't wait contact or theater swimming upstream Facebook page or on the web at WWW. It's never too late dot com. This is the irrepressible sad longoria.
HOW TO SURVIVE! Joella Oldfield and Marilyn Schoeman
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That's Harrys Dot com code. Five thousand. Enjoy hello welcome. It's time to join. Dorothy Wilhelm with his very minute is swimming upstream. Because it isn't crowded there. This new show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going. Dorothy gets crabby. If you keep waiting well hi there. This is Dorothy. Will we are once again swimming upstream and quite frankly. I'm getting a little waterlogged. But we're GONNA keep trying because you know the thing about swimming upstream is that you meet interesting people that you would not need anywhere else and especially during these tough times all. During the month of April we'd ask back special. Yes who are gonNA tell us how they get through these difficult times. What are little tricks that may be all of us? Could use my guest today. Is Joe Ella Oldfield? Who is the director of the Fred? Oldfield Western Heritage Museum in Puyallup Washington. Let's we're at the epicenter of the Corona virus as especially of interest to us. How we're GONNA get through Joel. Thanks for making time for us today. Dorothy I'm delighted to be here to be anywhere that is true. First of all. Tell us about The Heritage Museum. You've actually got art lessons for kids going on there. We do. Under normal circumstances we have a hundred and seventy seven little bright face children that balance through the door every day and not every day but every week and come in for art classes we have six different art teachers available to the children and that we have ongoing classes both in art and dance except right now of course like everyone else we've shuttered our doors and we are trying to just today as we speak go online with some art classes that will be free and open to across the country. We felt like it was just one thing we do to give back to the community. That's such a wonderful idea. What would be an ask you again at the end of the program but in case there is a desperate mother at home setting by her a computer right now wondering what she's GonNa do with the kids. What's the website? Well actually? She'll want to go to facebook and then put in the Bredow `field center and that's Oh l. d. f. i. e. l. d. and under Fred's creative kids and she'll see the section she just has to join it during the group and she will get the classes. Will you know that's so wonderful? And it's really one of the things that that our guests have been talking about in you and I have talked about one of the things that seem to be coming out of. This whole mess is a closeness of community and people are thinking of new ways to do things. I definitely think that's true. Dorothy it sometimes it just forces you into being even more creative than you knew you could be. And that's been the case with my teachers. None of us are actual photographers. No one really knows how to use a camera properly. But they're doing the best they can and they're trying still to be able to create a classroom without children there to give them feedback so it's an interesting perspective and yet they're actually being quite challenged by it and enjoying it so. I think we'll have three different teachers that will be doing classes for the website a super and I love that. You're actually doing it. I mean the thing is we're not just thinking about it. We're doing it and that matters but you we're going to talk a little bit about what you call on. What internal or external sources you call on in troubling times which heaven knows this qualifies to get you through. Keep you smiling and you are always smiling. Sometimes I think he or she doesn't really get what's going on. 'cause that's you know but. I have been accused of that but actually that's not true and I do. Yes I do kind of like a Pollyanna but you know. Repeat to me. I would just so much rather live every day. Happy then too. I always feel like terrible. Doom and gloom was hanging over my head. I'm very aware of what's going on. I pray every day for my family and all of my friends but I think you have to embrace. What's going on and see what you can do to make it better. Well what besides now for instance you got the online lessons but I think this is a really excellent point because we're all here we can't get out of being here so all we can do is look at what we have what tools we have change the situation. What have you found you? Prayers certainly the online art lesson. Certainly what else you know. I get up every morning and I read. My little book called my daily Word and it starts my idea. Kind of jump starts me gives me some hope. It gives me some strength and then I try really hard to decide. What am I gonNa do to make this a great day? Is there something I can do? Is there a card? I can send to a friend who I think might need a phone call. Excuse me I have froggy throat. But I'm well well. We have to we just in the same situation this whole whole broadcast and you have to keep saying no not sick and they say now. I actually think it's you know the spring flowers which I love and that's the other thing you know when when you're feeling so down I just walked to the window and I say look at this look at what I have. How can I be unhappy birds? There's flowers there's trees there's water there's people walking hand in. There's I know we're supposed to be six feet apart but trust me. There are still people holding hands walking down my street. They probably already. They've already you know contaminated each other absolutely it gives your heart lift. You know you just have to look a little bit beyond your own circumstances. I know yesterday I was out driving up in university place which is a small town near where I live. And all the daffodils. They planted daffodils all the way along the street and all the daffodils blooming and you think well there may be some hope. I do WanNa touch on the fact of before we get away from it. You said you want to live every day happy. I think that's wonderful but I don't know how you do it. I think it's mind over matter. Dorothy I know I have had some terribly sad days but in each of those days I have made myself find a moment of either peace or joy or laughter. There's always a friend that you can call and say. Oh for heavens sakes I just ate a pint of ice cream or you know something that you can reach out and bring to yourself that will let you find some joy in every day I really am happy and I but I think you you cultivate at like you do a habit you know you can be negative and it becomes a habit. You don't even realize you're doing it. Everything is oh. This is awful. That person did this but you can do the same thing with joy. Yeah let me suggest something that works. I think I really agree with what you're saying but I think that one has to cultivate a sensitivity to what happy feels like. I think when you feel happy you have to catch yourself and say oh. Here's what I was doing when I felt happy. Here is what you do. Otherwise there's that tendency maybe it's Taichi me. I'm a big Taichi sort of a girl but south thing that you can almost count on to trigger. The happy feelings is what I'm Kinda getting it. I think you're right. I absolutely think you're right. I know that my family brings me great joy in my friends. Bring me great. Joy Reading Scripture sometimes brings me great piece if not joy There's so much in the world whether it's music or art. I mean those are all things that can trigger those feelings so I just used to surround myself with those things. Will you know you've really made some great suggestions? But you just mentioned scripture. Is there a scripture that kind of you fall back to you? Depend on to help get you going and keep going there is you know. I do I do a lot of auctions things through our heritage center and everyone thinks it's so easy for me to get up and speak when it actually I have my tummy is tied in knots and I have a particular scripture us for any time that I'm I'm having that little anxious moment or a touch of fear and it's Philippians four thirteen and it says I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength and if I just repeat that to myself over and over whether it's a computer program I'm trying to learn or whether I have to get up and say something if I can ground myself in that scripture. It's always been there for me. It it does well. There's many others I love. I Corinthians it says let all that you do be done in love and that kind of sums it all up if you are saying. Oh I am so annoyed with her. I'm going to do Blah Blah Blah. That's hardly doing it in love. You know so you have to kind of bring yourself back and say wait a minute. That's not how I'm supposed to be doing this. That is wonderful too and I have a one one being of course because I can't think clearly at this time of day or any other when you come to it It's something about the fear in the night but joy comes in the morning but joy comes in the morning absolutely and you know I always say to my kids in my friends that this too shall pass and all my life. I thought it was an actual Bible verse and it is not. We had this discussion the other day. It's referred to in hundreds of different verses but those actual words are not really in a specific Bible verse. But I kinda choose to believe IT SCRIPTURE ANYWAY. It is for my life. Will Abraham Lincoln said so? That's good enough. Well that's good enough. That's good enough and it. It is true you know no matter how fearful we are and of course. This is fearful times. I would be foolish to say. This wasn't frightening but I also know that it will be gone if we can just hang in there the next few weeks the next two months or whatever. Our country is asking us to do that. This too will pass and if we can focus on that instead of how bad it is today to be stuck in my house. Bit Needs Dusting. It's it's you know it will be. Okay Joe Field. You have been skewed so good award you a gold star but even more. I am going to award you the chance to come back next month into this again because that was wonderful. You just you just terrific. Well thank you dear. Dorothy always make me smile. I appreciate that. Tell people tell the Nice people again if they would like to get those free lessons for their kids how to do it. Okay you WanNa go on facebook actually and go to the Fred Oldfield Western Heritage Center and then go to Fred's creative kids and right. There will be a chance for you to join the group. It's self explanatory now has started yet like against actually should be up by noon today back then so they're not hearing this until next week. So yes it definitely is up. I'LL CAD IS UP JOE L. A. Thanks so much. And we're just looking forward to the day when we the can come and visit. She was the Western Heritage Center. And maybe have a cup of Coffee. Never know that would be perfect will be waiting thank you. This is going to be fun. Stay by stay tuned. Now for kind of a wind up from our creative experts Maryland Shuman Maryland Shuman is our officials swimming upstream creativity experts. And I've asked you to come in and wind up the series with some reflections or thoughts that she's heard or thoughts that she's thought that might Dennis yet is through these difficult times. Hey Marilyn how you doing jolly on L. He's really well. That's good okay. So first of all how are you doing? And what are you what what gets us through you personally? Maryland to these these hard times Well number one. I don't call them hard times. I call him time but Traderjoes dark chocolate peanut butter. Cups is a starter. When I'd be something I don't want to do. What are those reward and vitamins also helpful without a lot but One really key point is to be in touch with those who are uppers who lift my spirits. Those who are up to good things in the world at always part feeding and feeding but at this time it's really really crucial. It's easy to pull somebody down. It's not so easy to pull him back up. How do you those those people who are uppers? Oh I've been hunting them all my life The key thing is with that we noticed. How do I feel when I'm with this person? Do I feel energized and enthused by the conversation that we had or am I tired our there my weary am? I feeling like I've had to be really Working to keep my spirits up and Actually I'm I'm well blessed by having found many People who are I would call them uppers and these are also people who are doing good things in the world so they got interesting things to talk about. Which reminds me? I spend very little time with the news right now. I limit myself to one fifty minute period most of the time. Npr is where I get a lot of my news because it's straightforward and factual but then meditation is also something that's really really key. I meditate at least twenty minutes a day so that puts me in a better space. Let's talk just for second there. I am putting my hand up right in front of the of the thing And I wanted to say the meditation is Great and I WANNA catch that in a minute. I WANNA point out of something you wouldn't know. Is that every guest that we have had on in this series for for April has said the limiting the news and I say that right along as a person who's farmer. Broadcaster IS ASTONISHING. But we have really pinpointed. The constant drone of the news often inaccurate as a real stumbling block in a thing to be avoided. And I think that's interesting. It's also presented innocent. Sation lies way and a way to promote conflict and controversy. Well to inspire or promote good news. Well it is not news at all and entertainment and that's just the thing to me. Cause I'm actually going somewhere with this to me leading into the meditation idea. The the sound a different sound on say National Public Radio. Then it is on the commercial stations because the the commercial stations are louder and more staccato. And you almost. You cannot help to be filled with the feeling of dread that this is happening again and again and again rather than this. Is the same old news being recycled so it coins? I just think it's really important the aware of that but now what I would like you to do is if that weren't enough. That was good. That's one but a second. Itchy glad is meditation is wonderful. It is not easily done by people. Who Don't do it. How would you recommend? The person gets. Started meditating if they'd never done They tried and gave a two and a half minutes. An actually didn't work out that well I would suggest that they start with subsidisation tapes that They can get at the library where they can. They can purchase them as well but meditation tapes. That easy into it and There are there are sounds true is one company that has a lot of those so you can have some that just simply you listen to them. They're very soothing music. And that's all you need to do because it will relax you in the process but if you haven't done it before don't just set yourself up to figure it out. Get something that will assist you and relax you so the point is to have at least twenty minutes when you're not hearing anything else you're not reading anything else. We're not doing anything you arresting your brain resting your mind your heart and that's restorative of have you found you mentioned like series but have you found anything that is especially good for beginners because is just as real hard if you're not accustomed to sitting quietly or doing whatever you're doing now. I would say Yoga. Anti both are excellent for beginning meditators or more advanced. Oh Yes yes. Yes for one. Just one simple things having statement like I am at Peace. I am loved. I am at peace. I am loved some kind of statement like that. You just repeat so you don't have to keep thinking about it but you were giving your mind something to do so it isn't wandering off in all kinds of other places however you gotta You. GotTa find the ones that ring true to you because I get to. I am barely like you know I mean this happens. There's right I assure you know there's a grain of truth I think a lot of people at I. What I'm really saying. Is the thing about affirmations and meditation starts in that kind of thing. It has to be a thing that you can carry in your heart and it will be true for you. Yes and one of the ways we make it through by repetition but whatever it is we start with. It needs to be believable for US. So we could. We could even say I am more loving today than yesterday or whatever just a place to start at least. I don't sweat much well. Now we've got seriously we've got meditation meditation. Here's here's what we have have so far in. These are very good we have find the uppers in your life and spending time with them not the downers. We have find some methods of getting started. Meditating regularly whether it's tapes Sir Tai Chi or whatever. It is and three dark chocolate peanut butter cups trader. Joe's we should have two more what we have well. There's one thing that I especially want to Share to have something ready when somebody when somebody calls you have something to brighten their day. Friendly always start with a joke and so I often will call somebody and say why do elephants where Tennessee's So they can climb trees with. Correct me but really. Why do elephants where Tanis because nineties are too small? Well doesn't that help. So that is that is what I call the conversation sister to previously. You're now in a lighter hearted space and so on so having having a conversation shifter of some sort they will uplift is really good but I really WANNA share an idea. Okay for my niece. That is perfect for us to do at this time when we when many of us have time that we I- unscheduled time that we didn't have before right. She created a family trivia game. She sent out an email to all of my family with various questions about who who did what when something of that sort like. One of them was My youngest brother is a pastor and where he is in Minnesota. They have car races and He enters them and has won several times. So he's known is the faster pastor the the challenge there for the Trivia question was how many checkered flags as faster pastor ones then Their questions about who is in somebody's wedding party and What was the Halloween Prank? That GOT SOMEBODY IN TROUBLE. Just all kinds of things like that that you know. There's twenty three people in my family and I promise you most of them not even having people would know so. It's a great way to to get information pass along. That is an excellent idea. That's just wonderful so I have to say you'll hate this now. That Maryland Shuman is our official gold medal. Creativity experts and so you'll be hearing from her soon again. Maryland that they'd like to find you and as I say should they have a lucrative engagement for you or just a question? How would our audience reach you? Great question go green light. Rain Dot Com. Go bless me. Shall we say it again? Go Green Go. Green Light Way DOT com. I happen to have your card right in front of me that you didn't know that work so go. Green Light Com. That's dot com green light way DOT com. Oh green light way. I'm still looking for it but I do have it. Okay Go. Green lightweight DOT COM and Maryland. Would be very happy to hear from you. But if you don't get to her right this week. She will be back the things we can depend on. We're starting to look forward into spring. And so the next time we come back Maryland will be telling you something about spreading but my daily. Oh my goodness got. The fact of is managing that we are a spring bowl. How are we going to loom this year? I love that now. That is good and with that. I think we'll be talking again next month. This is this has been swimming upstream. We're going to get out of the water not a minute too soon. Because I've got those hotlines on my hands again. And if you WANNA find anytime narrow defined Maryland some past swimming upstream shows or any of the other shows are www. It's never too late DOT com. Or perhaps they are at the lightweight. Dot Com who knows you can also find them at SOB radio. Networks DOT COM. Sob stands for spunky. Oh broads and all the hosts are women over fifty so join us. And until next time getting through misses. Dorothy will held by now. Thanks for listening to swimming upstream wilhelm. We'll be back next week with more gray casts a great idea. No telling what he'll do next. Be prepared if you just can't wait contact or DNR swimming upstream facebook page or on the web at www. It's never too late DOT com. This is the irrepressible sad longoria.
FAITH FILLED HOLIDAYS Shelly and David Whitesell
"Hello welcome it's time to join Dorothy Wilhelm who had his very minute is swimming upstream. Because it isn't crowded there. This new show now is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going. Dorothy gets crappy. If you keep waiting well this is Dorothy will hell. We are swimming upstream extreme once again as I always say we do that. Because it's not crowded up here and you meet a lot of interesting people. Today are very interesting in people you know getting getting ready for Thanksgiving and Christmas is always such a hassle. Everybody ends practically everybody ends up cranky and nobody gets what they want and the Turkey Burns or a dozen cook correctly. I I have all the answers for you here today. Believe it or not David. Ah Shelly with why so. Why sell you are my first? Y sales Our faith oriented couple and they're managing to get to. That was quite exciting Kenny. We catch you now. That's an interesting thing and we're GONNA just go right ahead. Ed this is luke down the table and he's he's got his little boy. Is that what it is. We all have to have those. That's how you keep people. Oh happy and I started to say looking into the holidays. We want to find a way to keep the family happy and no big surprises. Probably tell tell me to start with about your life together while David and I have been together twenty three years We have seven beautiful children. They are I could attests to the church. And they're yes they're very fine. We're very focused on our church and what God does for us and our children are a by product of our amazing marriage. Okay Now Stop you right there. Why is your marriage amazing as you what was wrong with mine? Amazing is generally something that doesn't come along that often. Now you end you may that. Yes we for Sherman that yes I think I think the best thing about our marriage is that we actually like each other. I asked you the other day. Yes and I think a lot of marriages his love each other and the family life is continues to be a love and you vote each other time to that but we we actually like each other to which is super important? I think in a marriage that you actually build on that relationship and When when we look at each other we say we like you? I like you. You're my boyfriend and like you step David Dad. Where the other component is? It's hard work right. I mean anything anything in life that's worth it is hard work and that doesn't change that it's admirable and it doesn't it. It actually makes it more admirable than more fulfilling and and so Louis I mean yeah. It's amazing but it's hard work and we'll right away before we even get the holidays. How do you keep feeling alive because you know it's not unusual? You need a couple of this. Been married five years and they may be still. Everything's ticket you but maybe after a while not so much how do you keep it going will will for us. Dorothy I mean a and I respect you. You mentioned that your viewer base comes from a lot of different backgrounds and not necessarily faith based I do not have. I've theories about how to keep it going outside of my faith but it was being Christ as as the center of our relationship. And that's why I asked you. I know I'm talk about date nights date nicer super important We did by motorcycle this kid stand they tell me I just think I just think that would have been the but it goes to show see. I think that would have been the absolute end for us. Tell me uh-huh so yes. So David I grew up riding motorcycles and dirt bikes in so wasn't wasn't uncommon uncommon for me to to ride them and he kinda got into them and decided to buy one will on that motorcycle. There are only two spots that is correct so we have seven kids seven kids we have to either find child care and But it's a date night. It's time for him and I to to rekindle into re it. Remember what you lied to. By the I think the other component Dorothy is just Even like for example. The genesis of the bike was B-. I wanted it but shelly was is open to my passions and my likes in an so. I'm surrendering myself to her and she surrendering herself to me and we're opened in. We keep keep it fresh and we don't box each other in and and so Hobbies come and go and Things we like to do come and go but I think that that core of US continuing to surrender Juju other and be open to the other. Passions is is at the core of that so shelly was open to me getting eating a bike if she would have been closed off like no. I've never going to get on a bike and Then that would have been. You know that would've killed by joy and killed my like my my desire for the bike and it's like staying open to that staying open to think. I can't think one problem that does happen. Is that people tend to think it is. I have a friend WHO's a professional speaker that says people marry someone who has their opposite traits. Because that's what we want what we don't have to say and then goes home to try to change them and think of you really cared about the he'd be more like me he would listen to me more. How do you keep that openness? I think we we are different in personalities but but definitely have a lot of likes and in common ground And I did pray a lot for him to change. Yeah and I think vice versa. He probably prayed a lot for me to change and coming in the middle of common ground. And saying we're going to have to work this out L.. Cause I'm not changing as much as you want at often. You can't the very things the very things that were attractive Kathy chait Muslims true. Yeah I think. The other component is a balanced between the person wanting to change. I genuinely want to be the man that she needs. And that a That makes her completes her. So I think it's Alison between her accepting the SIM me working on. Who I am trying to be you? Better Person In her doing the same thing me accepting her she is and she's working to try to be the best partner for me as they say in that. What was that G- wire moving at? Hello complete me And I think the complete apart is the hardware is Oh sprinkle the dust and oh you've completed me. Now we're going to write off into the sunset and that's the trap because you think that's happened. The trick is you're never completed this. You got to because for one thing you know it's going on very well and then the little start coming coming along came fast. It took it took twenty one years for me to get all of my of my oldest daughter is twenty years older youngest. Oh my goodness yes. Yes superfund find by that. That is part of that is part of it. How did you keep the number one with the holidays coming? This is an important question. How do you keep them from feeling? Like one of them is preferred over the years. I'm all paths. I think you win. You will for us so we have a lot of children so you exponentially both by the problem. I think you know we've always Shelly in both both and I. We've always read. We read a lot of books. We we counsel with veteran people that have gone before us. We have family support like our parents like we're blessed but we also made that decision birthday to stay locally like I've given up job promotions in to stay around. Yeah Yeah we've could've moved like a lot of Americans relocated and I've drawn. Oh of course I would love Hawaii or Florida but both our parents are in this area. We know that's important family is important and I think if you look at statistics they say you know as you get gets. They looked at the centennial. People that asked to under a death and faith is important. Family's important staying active is aboard being involved in your community. If you have those four components you're going to be a very healthy person. Live a long life so I think we looked at each of our children and we really try to get to know their unique unique strengths and weaknesses. There's there's children of mine. I won't name their names. There's children of mind that rubbed me the way that know how to push my buttons. And that's exactly they if they do I do and I've had a now. They've grown as they get older. I've had to continue to seek wisdom on how to connect with them in their uniqueness as an adult adult as a person and continue to as I surrender to my wife. I surrender to my children and say I'M GONNA try to be the father can. I don't always understand you but I'm GonNa try to find what connects with you and that helps them feel valued and special and I think that's that probably is the key. I wonder if too because you have been involved in ministry all your lives if that has been a helped his. SMU Do you draw. Well it's been a help. You see a lot of people in ministry any anytime you have a passion anytime you have a job. If you're building a business it can become a it can become all consuming. It can totally envelope you so I think ministry ministry can involve yet. I I believe of course Christ Ministry But I've seen a lot of ministers go too far ministry. They neglect their family. They neglect that relationship with their spouse. The aren't connected with their kids because they've been consumed. I this goal is passionate dream in so I don't know you you know. I'm not very successful. Dorothy at much like I'm not a billionaire. Well so I don't know someone that could tell me. The secret of they have a a healthy marriage healthy family healthy children and have been able to accomplish their ultimate dreams. How they did it? I can just tell you have a blessed life and we're thankful for it. Working harder predicts of if the kids are doing well because this for me the fact that as I tell people all the time because I'll be eighty six very soon seem like it but the kids are all believe me growing up and if you can see them happy and happily married and all and all that when you were a success but at the time in the trenches is not always easy to see and I was telling Shelley that I actually for my eightieth eightieth birthday. I bought the kids all six of them. So you didn't have so many more. It's just that last one is a Lou. The T shirts that says MoD like need a forget one of my parents I got this from somebody. But tell your children your my favorite the first ever its second. You're my favorite. You know they work that out real okay. So tell me about the holidays at your house. Then I have a feeling maybe you may do some different things than other people. Do we do one of the big things in our family is that we do ministry. We do outreach outreach. That minute that the holidays aren't just about s So I'm I think that Hourly you know we're we're busy we also. I do a lot of activities with our children. Throw the holidays but during those activities. It's always about what we can give out. What can we do to the people around us if we're Out Cutting our tree down is people are Christmas. Tree is our people around us that we can go. Oh man you know. Maybe they need help. Maybe they need you know. Let's go see. CFA we can help them cutting the tree all the boys have to take a wack at all. The boys have to help carry it girls we all. So we're constantly how do we. How can we help each other? How could we serve each other Images creates just a really close knit group. It's there's there's community there created though has created a kind of traditions in itself very next release things we tried. After after after my husband passed away I try try. 'cause everything changes that so the old traditions didn't work anymore and we all went out. We went out to cut trees and it was beyond awful that we did it for about three years in the third year. I remember saying to my oldest boy that was home would you would you Hurt if we didn't go out. Cut a tree this year and he said Oh. Thank God but what do you. What are you thanksgiving? What's your Thanksgiving like? And how do you keep it from. How do you keep everyone to from killing one another because that will cost four sometimes you so you don't write off into the sunset? Yeah sometimes we're already each other's throats right and then you you you she's gorgeous. You're very kind of cute. But you're but you know it's just the reality of being human is we're GONNA fail. We're GONNA missile short and so we need that grace forgiveness with each other in that. Okay Dave's have a bad day I'm going to either give him his space. Or you know but no one goes How do we acted this season? I think that our our immediate family with seven kids we I feel like I feel like we have it under control at this point. They're still under are we there twenty one down to five so those ones. It's the extended family. That is hard because you assume that up because you don't see them off in this personalities we don't all get along and In laws come in and and people. You don't connect with their. You can't stop them. They come no matter. What and so? Those are the ones that I feel like our ministry for us we we have to gird ourselves before for we go. We have to tell our kids certain things. Hey we don't talk about certain things when we go to family events And there's a lot of love when we leave our home I feel so like a Lotta love. Because if we can't we can't be a ministry and a help to our outward family the extended family. Then who are we as a family And so we do a very good job of also doing soup kitchen. Kitchens like if we go to the soup kitchens with the homeless. I'm our church events Definitely on Thanksgiving our church Hosa a luncheon for the homeless and we go. Help out with that the morning of Thanksgiving which which is awesome? But yeah that's I mean. We tried to really bring in a piece. And how do you get involved. This is something something I think I'd say it's such a great idea a lot of times. I think people would like to do life. I don't know how to find who needs help or are there shy about asking you know whatever they think maybe they would feel out of place as we do think of how will feel you know. Yeah well well. That's amazing thing about the Internet. Google is incredible edible. Get on Google and you say a ministry or opportunities to give or opportunities to my time volunteer my time and right away on pop up only do the thing though is just being and I think we learned learned this a little bit from our mums are both both of our MOMS or dads or the stereotypical traditional men. They're not likely to say hello to you in the store. But both are very gregarious and outgoing being in ministry focused. And so I think you you just. I can't believe Dorothy that connections that we've made in the grocery store and you meet a person now runs and Like we met this lady just in the community that were she runs spots and it's backpack program for children of our. It's right here in Lakewood. It's called spots and in its for children. There's a Lotta Children Dorothy out there. That they don't even know if they have food over the the weekend. So this backpack program gives them food for the weekend so that they can go home and Have Nourishment over the weekend because there's lots of lunch programs programs during school. But what are the kids do over the weekend so you just meet these connections in the community if you're open and you're instead of on your phone these I mean even all generations. Generations are on their phone. I walked into the other day and in there's typically a lot of elderly McDonald's they were to every other front the laws have well. It's the younger generation to right. So what's their issue. There are loads that they can't be got parents. And anyway I think feeling getting more connected with your community you'll find. I don't care what community it is because I know people all over the nation. There's a lot going on your community and you just gotta get your head up and be aware be open open to that opportunity who you're going to be what they're doing and you Ju- you just might be surprised. What what you get fulfillment enjoy out of getting connected with with another person? I think people feel afraid or a little worried about when they go to this place will they feel strange lay. Not 'cause I guess it's because their the phone doesn't criticize them. I don't know So what would you say about that. Obviously it's been awhile since you started on a new places all the time. The only thing who is this Courage is not the absence of fear. It's the ability to recognize fear to overcome it. So I mean even come into this radio show their attention and am I gonNA mess up and got our five year old in the background running around trying to keep them entertained I mean I've I've done public. Speaking in front of thousands of people there switch frozen so people could use conventions yellow traces you convention Keno and the MC for the weekend not surprised as I can tell very good but did you tell them quickly. Well be that was years ago. Dorothy I was trying to there was a theme for the. There's a theme like you know Hash. Climb Climb Mountain top or whatever the theme was and I don't quite remember what I don't you find that in people my age and in fact one of the shows were having later this month about how different generations interact interact and so often folks we could go out here in the in the other room and there'll be somebody in their say young people today they are interested in kissed. And I'll say we weren't either. You know right the last thing I wanted to hear about you know is the And yet I. I'm impressed in you. Know you got a whole houseful of them so now Christmas come we someway live through thanksgiving. Somehow the the in laws are still speaking. Although this is a mixed delight my daughter this is not saying anything bad because I have so many of them but one of my daughters in law. We really didn't like each other to start. I mean we really didn't like each other and she's been just a dream dream but in the beginning And so what happened was at. We finally decided that both of us were there was one thing in our lives are both in love with my son and her her love my boy and so we gonNA have to learn to get along and we actually created a safe word like you would in. We know in other times that when we felt like something was getting out of hand because my my outlook very old fashioned and she was very today. Moderate very practically. Nothing I grew up with with meaningful and we had to find something there in the middle so one one time when they were there at Christmas we lasted twenty minutes and with the safe word. Yeah so that when you say the safe word you know that this is getting close to the next next thing my feeling is GonNa leave and we would just pull back and maybe even go go to different rooms or different but we come back back and what was great about it was that it said look we care that much. I mean. It's not we're not giving up. We're not GONNA fight. We're not GONNA say why. Why are you more or like me? We're going to say we're going to take a break and we're gonNA come back so did you have. I don't mean to turn the interview bird So did you actually have a conversation. After that came up with the same as the other thing that people realize we families human relationships can be Doug can be beautiful and amazing but they can be ugly and they can be difficult and challenging in our family. We're going through some things right on. Our family is the age got at those age. We are older leads but not not everybody. And here's where the problem would be it It worked it worked beautifully because she cared so much into And she was willing to say. Yeah we gotta work this out. We do not want to go our whole lights. You both were willing to do. You think that's what it was out to the. Is it Tapley like right now right now. We're in the middle of a couple of relationship. Jenner family that it's going to be an interesting holiday season Dorsey so you you've asked how we've got through the previous this holiday season twenty and let you know how this Thanksgiving and Christmas Way. It's hard because you worry you do a little bit. There's anxiety so ooh but I think that the other thing you have to be aware of is there with each family Adult relationships because we have so many kids we also so happy to have boundaries and then put up our boundaries and to be able to say. Hey this isn't gonna work for us this. This isn't going to work for my children and holidays are going to have to change it. Yes certain traditions are going to help and you know the worst and then to sometimes they would always come home for me when the first Christmas. Yeah I mean that was so hard and the mere fact that he was in the Coast Guard cutter at the South Pole was either there. I wasn't and I don't know if your listeners listeners. Notice what I Christmas. When are you talking about? This would have been the first Christmas. that a that. All the kids out when when First of all when Raj has gone that required a whole lot of adjustment but that some ways couldn't help. Well somehow I suppose you could say the coastguard to send them away that can't beheld. It's really hard it really is and therefore for your homework. This has been quite fun. We've already gone through. Roi playtime and very frankly. I don't think solves things. So here's what I do. I think we ought to say just that. I think we fight or we just together again after the first of the year and see because it is a growing thing it is even and I think everybody should realize even even if or especially if you have all the faith in the world we're still dealing with human relationships and no matter how much you love someone I did did say I did say to this boy. The when he was a boy and brought this young woman home who turned out to be. You know what my four lovely daughters in Las. Nobody will not- route. I felt called upon to point out to him some of her flaws. Which believe me mother? Don't do that but me okay. And he said mom. I'm so surprised that you say that because the reason that I feel attracted to this young woman is that she reminds me so much of you. A Ah you. You can't go anywhere fan so anyway. This has been so much fun. I appreciate your. You're what you're really saying. I think is a keeps a date nights coming. Remember always what you loved about everybody in the beginning and keep trying to build on your your face keep trending. Now let me ask you. Something came to me as we were talking. What do you think about? Can we make a list of ten things to do for. The holiday is to make them go a little more smoothly and right now. I know we're through on the things that we could offer to the audience because this will go on the air a couple of weeks after we recorded it. So there's no rush and I can add some too but I just think maybe they would right ride into the station so Shelly and David White Cell and and I are going to create for you a list. Some ten ways to get through the holidays more easily. We do not guarantee they'll be good ways but we'd be ways and you can get them by in writing to Dorothy at it's never too late DOT COM or Dorothy at my generation gap dot com. We are flexible and remember. In the meantime we're still swimming upstream will see next week. We're produced by. 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Unexpected gifts. Our Valentine show
"The hello. Welcome. It's time to join Dorothy Wilhelm who had this very minute is swimming upstream because it isn't crowded there. This new show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going Dorothy gets crabby. If you keep waiting. Hi there. This is Dorothy will help and we are swimming upstream today. Now, I am excited about today's show because this is our special is you get that special Valentine's Day edition, and we have two very special very special Valentine's story stories for you. First of all you remember Sam longoria. He introduces the program for his and he has recorded a very special Valentine story. Now, it's a story that you may have thought of it connection with Christmas. But in fact, Christmas is a thing of the heart and Valentine's Day is a time for remembering unexpected gifts. So Sam step right in year. Make yourself comfy by the fireplace. And tell us about the gift of. The match. I. The gift of the badge. I buy onery published December tenth nineteen five. Read by San longoria. One dollar and eighty seven cents that was all she had put it aside. One Santon then another and then another in her careful buying of meat and other food della candidate three times one dollar and eighty seven cents and the next day would be Christmas. There was nothing to do with fall on the bed and cry. So delegated. Well, the lady of the home slowly growing quieter. We can look at the home. Furnished rooms that cost of eight dollars a week. There is little more to say about it in the hall below was a letter box to small to hold a letter. It was electric bell. But it could not make a sound. And there was a name decide the door. Mr James Gillingham young. When the name was placed there, Mr James jailing him young with being paid thirty dollars a week. Now when he was being paid only twenty dollars a week of seemed too long and important. It should perhaps have been Mr James d young. But when Mr James Gillingham young entered the furnished rooms his name became very short. Indeed, MRs James, dealing come young. Put her arms warmly around him and called him Jim who already met her. She is della della finished her crying and cleaned the marks of it from her face. She stood by the window and looked out with no interest. Tomorrow would be Christmas day j- he had over one dollar and eighty seven cents with which to buy Jimmy gift. She had put aside as much as she could for months with this result. Twenty dollars a week is not much everything costs more than she expected and always happened like that only a dollar eighty seven to buy a gift for Jim her Jay. She had had many happy hours planning something. Nice for him. Something nearly good enough. Something almost worth the honor of belonging to Jim. There was a looking glass between the windows of the room. Perhaps you've seen the kind of looking glasses place in eight dollars. Furnished rooms it was very narrow a person could see only a little of himself at a time. However, if he was very thin and moved very quickly he might be able to get a good view of himself della being quite thin had mastered this art, suddenly she turned from the window and stood before the glass. Her eyes were shining brightly but her face had lost its color quickly. She pulled down her hair and let it fall to its complete length. The James Dillingham Young's were very proud of two things which they owned one thing was Jim's gold watch it had once belonged to his father and long ago it belonged to his father's the other thing was jealous hair. If a Queen had lived in the room near there's della would have washed and dried her hair with the Queen could see it della knew her hair was more beautiful than any queens jewels and gifts if a king had lived in the same house with all his riches, Jim would've looked at his watch every time they met Jim knew that no king had anything. So valuable. So now Dell is beautiful hair fell about her shining. Like a following stream of Brown water. It reached below her need it almost made itself into address for her. And then she put it up under head again nervously in quickly when she stopped for a moment stood still while tier to read down her face. She put old Brown coat CI put on her old Brown hat with the bright lights still in her eyes. She moved quickly out of the door and down the street where she stopped the sign said, MRs Safra, the hair articles of all kinds up to the second floor, della ran and stopped to get her breath. Mrs Safran large to white cold. I looked at her. We who by my hair as della. I buy hair said MRs Rania, take your hat off. Let me look at it down fill the Brown. Waterfall twenty dollars said MRs fron lifting the hair feel it's wait give it to me quick said della. Oh, the next to our seemed to fly she was going from one shop to another to find a gift for Jim. She founded last it surely had been made for Jim and no one else. There was no other like in any of the shops had she had looked in every shop in the city. It was a gold watch chain, very simply made its value was in its rich and pure material because it was so plain and simple. You knew that it was very valuable things like this. It was good enough for the watch as soon as she side. She knew that Kim must have it. It was like him quietness in value Jim in the chain both had quietness and value. She paid twenty one dollars for it. And here hurried home with the chain and eighty seven cents. With that chain on his watch. Jim could look at his watch. And learn the time anywhere. He might be Bill. The watch was so finding it never had a fine chain. He sometimes took it out and looked at it only when no one could see him do it. When della arrived, home, her mind quieted, a little she began to think more reasonably she started to try to cover this ad marks of what she had done love and large hearted giving. When added together can leave deep marks. It is never easy to cover these marks tear friends ever easy. Within forty minutes or head looked a little better with her short hair. She looked wonderfully like a schoolboy she looked at the looking glass for a long time. It Jim doesn't kill me. She said to herself before he looks at me a second time he'll say I look like a girl he sings dances for money. But what could I do? Oh, what could I do with a dollar eighty seven cents? At seven gyms dinner was ready for him. Jim was never late della held the watch chain in her hand and sat near the door. Were he always entered then she heard his step in the hall interface lost color for a moment. She often said little prayers quietly about simple everyday things. Have she said, please. Biki still pretty. The door opened and Jin stepped in. He looked very fit and he was not smiling poor fellow. He was only twenty two and with a family to take care. He needed a new coat, and he had nothing to cover is cold hands, Jim stopped inside the door. He was as quiet as a hunting dog when it is near a bird, his eyes looked strangely gallant. And there was an expression that she could not understand it filled. Her with fear. It was not anger. It was an odd surprise anything. She had been ready for he'd simply looked at her with that strange expression on his face, Delaware. Jim, dear she cried. Don't look at me like that. I had my hair cut off. And I sold it. I couldn't leave through Christmas without giving you a gift my hair will grow. Again, you care. Well, you my hair grows, very fast. It's christmas. Jim. Let's be happy. You don't know. What a nice what? Beautiful nice gift. I got for you. Cut off your hair. Has Jim slowly seem to labor to understand what had happened. He seemed not to feel sure he knew cut it off and sold its della. Don't you like me? Now, I'm meet him. I'm the same without my hair. To look to ram the room. You say your hair is gone. He said, you don't have to look for its della it sold I tell you sold him gone to it's the night before Christmas boy because to me because I sold it for you. Maybe the hairs my head could be kinda she said that no one could ever count my love for you. Shall we? Eat dinner Jin, Tim, put his arms around his Gela for ten seconds. Let us look in another direction. He dollars a week or a million dollars a year. How different are they? Give you an answer. But it will be wrong the maj valuable gifts, but that was not among them. Meaning we'll be explained soon. From inside the coat. Jim took something tied in paper. He threw it upon the table. I want you to understand me. He said nothing like a haircut could make me love you any less. But if you open that you may know what I felt when I came in by fingers pulled off the paper, and then a cry of joy. And then it changed to tears. For their lay. The Colmes Colmes della had seen in a shop window in loved for a long time. Beautiful combs with Jules perfect for her beautiful hair. She had known they cost too much for her to buy the she had looked at without the least hope of owning them. And now they were hers. But her hair was gone. But she held him to her heart. Last was able to look up and say, my hair grows, so fast, Jim. And then she jumped up and cried. Oh, oh, Tim had done yet. He'd his vehicle gift. The gold seemed to shine softly as if with her own warm and loving spirit. Isn't a perfect, Jim. I hunted all over town to find it. You'll have to look at your watch a hundred times a day. Now, give me a watch. I want to see how they looked together. Tim sat down in smiles. Dell said he. Let's put our Christmas gifts away. It. Keep them awhile there too. Nice to us now. I sold the watch to get the money to buy the combs. And now, I think we should have our Kidder. The maj. I as you know, we're wise man wonderfully. Why spend who brought gifts to the newborn Christ child? They were the first to give Christmas gifts being wise. Their gifts were doubtless wise ones. And here I told you the story of two children who were not wise. Each sold the most valuable thing he owned it. Order to buy a gift for the other. But let me speak a last word to the wise of these days. Of all who give gifts these two. We're the most wise. Of all who give and receive gifts such as they are the most wise everywhere. Hey are the wise ones? They are the batch. Thank you. That was great Sam. And now, you don't I don't get the kind of Allentown used to get. I'm just thinking about the fact this is Dorothy, again, I'm just thinking about the fact that I just don't get Valentine's anymore. What do you make of that? Well, but I have a gentleman here who has only yesterday taking a what would you say you had taken? But I control have you control yet of a very special Valentine in. So this is a love story. Come on bud here. I have to look at your last name visual aid. And. This is your friend is looking over the over here at me, and your friend is a great Dane he is a rescue dog. And he is a big rescue dog. Now, you're a big fella. So you only just got what what is his name Wrigley Wrigley like Wrigley field. Drake's when did they choose to? They cause you are. You are a large man before his as who was Jimmy d would said before they turned under so much to make the, but but do they choose the size in the type thing? Over year ago. I'd applied for service being amp for stability. And we think he would knock you over. He has he is way tolerate or sitting here at this table and Wrigley is way taller than the table. That's how great Danes are. Yeah. He's he's on the side. And that was part threes because I'm so tall yet. I needed one hit me to waste because when you walk is an Petit with your prosthetic, the so many things you cannot do that people can. And when he does he stands next to me swayed hold onto as as I walked in. And I look forward to our greatly shipped together. I went there. I just got home last night picketing, Bob, you do look like the wrath of God. No. Yeah. I I. It was thirty one hundred miles and three days. Now, how do they decide who can have a rescue dog? And what do you have to do what you do is? You you one you you you're playing to the organizations say I would like to apply for a service dog in most people wouldn't take service dogs. You think golden retrievers laps. But that I want a great game. And they do have a program out to four case of both. You know, like above the knee below the knee after tease, that's where they trannies that's for them. And so the the thing was is the final one tall enough. Because when I fall he has Stirrup on his back a vest. He stands in helps me get back up and down stairs. He stands right next to me. So I pick each step or another didn't do any training with you. He's had training almost years worth of training. But I either would have to stay there for a month or work with program Seattle Leonti to bother together. So that I understand him. What would happen? Why why do you need a serve well to us? They laying off special reason I had him infection. I'd went in have replaced it. And he said, I'll be peace. Kate for heaven's sake. And eight months later ten surgeries they said yellow, I if I did not a leg of going to die. I had infections school choice changed my whole life in fifty three years old at the time. I had a good career. I had a I had so many things going on. Also that will come Nate. And I could walk any more living wheelchair. And I just I've shrill slowly, Diana. That's gotta do something. So I started volunteering schools that I got a leg by the pasta. Attic started work with it. And I got another one now when I get up in the morning, I just put it on go along. Did you say this happened lost two years ago? January. Suggestion years ago. Yeah. So you're you're really doing very well then. Yeah, they tell me I adapted really quick to because there's people now that have that for four five you still live in a wheelchair. Oh, I can believe that happens. I just to you whether year go ahead my hip replaced by onic too. You know? It went really, well, I was lucky. But so I know that this has changed your life so profoundly that you're actually becoming a motivational speaker. I am and it's something that always hit the passion for is to talk to people. As fire people. I used to be a standup comedian three years, and it was it was it was easy to make people laugh at nights that I traveled into that. But I wanted to move people at I thought, you know, with my story what gone to in my life. I talk to people like you late in that. And so I I now travel around and do new buddy Wrigley, and we talked to live. No, my causes my passionate life. What kind of groups do you speak to rotaries Qantas? Just schools bay in schools, helping with volunteer line school districts. Speci- high school kids kids giving them a chance to allies what lifestyle? Well, if people wanted to get in touch with you and have asked you to come and speak to their group. How would they do? They could go on the website is called Korda's for kids dot com. I sure big truck out Friday s. Ezra car. That's all wrapped. With course kids, and it is nonprofit where we help children. Join the school stay in school get an education that homeless they can reach out to me on their baked it give me a call two five three eight one nine five nine zero. Saying again, my dear to five three eight on nine five nine zero. And I loved to go in and work with them. Do a lot of work with Choma district helping kids there's so much out the person could do will there really is. And now that you've had how long ago, did you you actually start doing the the motivational work. Six months ago. I really decided that that was a rod I was gonna go a step away from comedy more at I started. Join an essay a member there. The national speakers association, we call it the good NS. And. In a just loved the chance to meet other people hear their stories. And so I I so future that into major. But what was the moment if you could look back and find it that you thought, you know, this is I've got to do something different. I can't lie here. It was a little boy that was nine years old. I was volunteer one day of school. And I was in a catheter in watched nine year old boy take his lunch table and wrap his pizza in a napkin as franchise it napkins and put them in his backpack. And I thought maybe he's sick save later until I found that he had three year old sister that was women into the car, and he was saying that to take home to her because he got the change a whole life. I watched a nine hundred boy they more about his sister that he did. So well being from that day on never feel sorry for myself. Not once I I try to. Help people. Now, we thinking that leg you lost wasn't budge. That was just a leg that was. It was just like, you know, people ask me, how do I handle my disability? And it's funny because I really don't see myself as disabled, I think Gino had more effect on me. Listen, my license at the truth. Well, you know, it's funny. And I'm sure you realize they're telling us, we're almost finished here. But, but, but I tell you the truth and sure you're aware see many people walking around, but doesn't wear I want to say he doesn't wear trouser covered. But he does wear their cut off at the top. So that the static is easily visible, and it's fine. It's just part of you don't think about it. It's. People anymore. I mean, people noticed threes cabinet office because there's times catch the whole fall ause that I and so it's easier to put on to drop in my so so we all have something like that. And the big thing is we're all going to hold hands and go into the dark together and starting now, so but it's going to be back with us on regular basis. In the meantime, if you would like to talk with them, or if you have ideas were to hear more about his great ideas, his organization is quarters for kids dot com, and you can reach him at two five three eight one nine five nine zero. And will as as you in Wrigley get to be better requested, and you and I had to be better acquainted. We'll we'll keep track of your progress. And I know that you've got a great future of helping people see that only the funny side of life, but the valuable. Site of life. So and so this is Dorothy will help and we are once again, swimming, upstream. I hope you'll join the soon again, I hope I'll joy this city. Then you can find us on the web at SOB radio network dot com. I love that s obese stands for funky old broads and also at it's never too late dot com. This is Dorothy doing the backstroke talk to you soon. Bye. Bye. Thanks for listening to swimming upstream. We'll be back next with great guests. Great ideas. No telling what she'll do next be prepared. If you just can't wait contact or the swimming upstream Facebook page or on the web at WWW. It's never too late dot com. This is the irrepressible sad long.
WRITE YOUR FAMILY STORY NOW
"Hello, welcome. It's time to join Dorothy Wilhelm who had his very minute is swimming upstream because it isn't crowded there. This new show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going Dorothy gets crappy if you keep waiting. Well. This is Dorothy Wilhelm and this time I'm swimming upstream on a horse with not exactly. Because but horses very well you know anyway, our show, our podcast welcome is swimming upstream. We like to get upstream because you meet interesting people there. Wouldn't find anywhere else and what do we care if they're all wet? Anyway, my very special guest today I have Joel Oldfield here with me and we're going to tell you how to get your book family memoirs going, and we'll also have a quick visit from Sam. Longoria. The Hollywood historian with some back to school movie reflections from him. But let's get started with Joel and good morning. How are you doing partner? With Good Morning I am doing great actually we're in the midst of construction so were dodging hammers and drills and trying to answer questions with you so we hope this will work for everyone Well I'm sure we'll and I'm glad you could make make a tight for us and what we want to talk about today we're very excited about the fact that you have a brand new book coming out and would you like to tell I happen to know you would like to tell a little about the book? Well, it's a A. Dream of mine for quite a while to be able to write a story and tell everyone in the whole world about my daddy who was such an interesting character and then someone's so special in my life. So I decided that I would with your health right his story and that's what we've been doing. And what's the name of the book? We're calling it better than I deserve. Now, we should mention that your father would. Your Dad was Fred Oldfield a very famous cowboy artists and the book has was Chow chows about. Could we let let folks the the book cover? Pretend they were inside? What would they see? Well they would see a really handsome cowboy. There was something about my dad that the women loved in the men loved he was just an amazing character, but he a character is exactly what he was. The cover, the painting him now, only handsome but also deep in thought as he's painting one of his wonderful Western paintings. So he's he's in action you might say on the cover and then the back of the book will have one of fabulous paintings on it. And in fact. Go ahead. No. Report your paintings right now to decide what what to put on. I know and that's exciting to just going through the collection and and being which one might tell a story for it. Well to honor this exciting adventure which is going to by the time, the book comes out is going to take about a year and I. Think you've got to figure that lot of people especially in these times would like to write their family memoir. So one thing that we thought we would do you. You have a gift for them. What is your gift? is to give them through tips on writing their own family stories. Good and you don't get those just everywhere. You know. So so yeah, we're going to start with that these and I should mention that these tips will be available at. It's never too late DOT com. If you don't happen to get them all down today and the book will be out in October, but you'll be able to get a preview of it at the Western art show. Which is My? Dear. Yes, we'll have it online during our western art show, which is October first through the thirty first. So you'll be able to find it online, and then it will actually be ready prior to Christmas. We'll see that. That's not accidental. You know. So, we went to start folks right off with five tips and the big thing is the important thing we both agreed is you gotTa start you've got build just be saying I always thought I could write a book how many people say that? Yeah, you probably could. But not if you don't start. So what is your first tip extra money if you remember My first hip is to tell all of you that I think what you should do is right to a publisher tell them. You want to write a book and ask them for one of their quarry forms. It kind of becomes your roadmap. Even if you're never gonNA use a publisher, even if you're going to do it yourself, it is an amazing tool and they will send it to you. If you just follow it, you will be on the road. And you find so much they ask questions you would never have thought of and you think, Oh, I don't care about that, but you really do. So you're a great tip and along with that at the same time, you suggest that people, this is the first thing you did was to make an outline. Absolutely I just wasn't sure exactly how I wanted to tell the story and yet everything about my dad's life was interesting his life with a little boy. Obviously, he lived from the time of covered wagons through landing on the moon to today. He's only been gone a couple of years now. So you have to decide what story you WanNa tell you just want to tell the part of the war or do you WanNa tell the entire book. So make yourself an outline so you have a place to go. So. That's two. Oh and you know what? We should tell them to about the about the getting the publishers query. Publishers have it online now and so all you really have to do is go online and pick it up to but but it doesn't hurt to establish a relationship with the publisher. So you might. WanNa. Just write them a letter anyway, and then what's up our third Arthur tip My suggestion was to subscribe to newspapers Dot Com why did we suggest that? Well you taught me that trick because it will bring up everything with the name that you put in. So if you're writing about your daddy or your uncle or your grandfather who was either an outlaw or the mayor, you will find everything that was ever mentioned about them in the newspaper so that you will find out things about your family that you didn't even know. Well, for instance I found out that my uncle Ben divorced his wife twice to years apart. Packard. Surprise. Actually but the other thing you find out pretend you know you, you have then access to all the newspapers in the world really in the country and any year no. Even if you are not able to fight into your parents or your family by name, you'll be able to find out what was going on in their. EPA time that you're writing about pay no attention to those odd noises because they are just supposed to keep us on our toes and if you could see, meet read see that I am on my toes and finally. So that's that's good newspapers dot com next be accountable. But what about that? You told me this one that you have been following and I know you have created writing schedule and stick to it no matter what. Oh my gosh I if I hadn't done that because. I truly think that's even one point I can tell you that most important it's that one and every time that Dorothy and I she is my mentor of course, and also my editor but we established a date either on Tuesday afternoons or Thursday afternoons, and we never wavered from that. And it does make you accountable. You don't put it off. You don't say well, I really need to get this done this week. So all right next week because they keep putting it up, you're never going to write it. So as long as you have a friend, a mentor or just someone WHO's interested in your book. Say Okay I will send you chapter three on Thursday but don't do it on the following Tuesday stick to your schedule. Yeah I think I think finding a creating accountability is the key to getting the book done because it's not only and how many times both of us will say, well, do you WanNa meet you steer or would you like to put off until next week and we would say, oh no, we better do it. You know we better. We better go ahead and get and I don't think we could have gotten it done. So you know I could not. Say something that we didn't talk about. But to me, this is important the writing but he is the person if it is someone that happens in our case that I am helping with the with the actual proofreading and copy Regan and Production because I knew Fred pretty well I while I am in favor of a riding buddy to whom you are accountable and whom you meet every week to be sure to staying on schedule I myself this is me no one else I am not in favor of writing groups I, think writing group slow you down. Because when you come right down to it, what do you care what they think I mean you you know if you're if you're writing for a certain audience and you get a whole lot of conflicting in uninformed opinions well, you know you're never gonNA get anywhere. Now we have one last tip. Do you remember what it was? Let's Create writing schedule for yourself. Them I do many many volunteers things and it's really easy for me to say I don't have time to do that. So. My thought is that it's absolutely critical that you find that one time whether it's six o'clock in the morning or whether from seventy nine nine is when you are always kind of a a free moment to yourself pick a time where you know you can write and stick to it. and. It's. Now you've said to me that there were times, there were days when you thought it just couldn't be done. Just weren't. Oh absolutely and I. I'm sure that we all go through that and I'm thinking how in the world am I, GonNa, pull these thoughts together. How am I gonNa get this written so that you know I'll have something to share by the day that we plan to meet. There's something that keeps pushing you forward as long as you know you've got that deadline if it's so easy to put things off and if I didn't no, I wanted to talk to Dorothy on Thursday at one o'clock I wouldn't be sitting down on. Tuesday. Night in going back over what I had written the week before. So make sure you give yourself time. It's your time. And always add don't don't fall into the trap of just a thinking it's gotta be an order and everything's gotta be perfect as Joel. We'll tell you you're going to rewrite it at least three times anyway. So it really doesn't matter, but my dear has been fun. Oh. I have loved every minute and because it's so personal for me and and which I'm sure some of you will be doing the same thing I have cried a lot of tears. I have laughed all by myself sitting in my office and laughing at things that my daddy. And yet, it's been so healing and it's been a wonderful way to I don't WanNa say goodbye to my daddy, but it's been a wonderful way for me to. Try and make a tribute to my dad, and it's it's been very healing I've loved it. And? Really, recommend it I. Think it's a great thing to do but don't just say well, I don't have enough material. If you will follow this little five steps, you go yet going and we believe in new. So strongly, this is very nice of us we believe in you. So strongly that if you have any questions at all, you can write to me Joel doesn't believe in US strongly I do but never mind you. Can. Write to me Dorothy as it's never too late dot com with questions were either of us and we will answer now we can't probably spend the time that that we might like, but we will be happy to answer any questions you might have because you know i. so often meet someone and I know Joel does to who says I just know I have a book. I could write a book and I think it's the getting going which get started even though it is hard, you won't give up. Is what I think is that what you think? Absolutely what I think I think once you start, you can't wait to put the next word down on a piece of paper. And get that story out. So you know what? Joe L. I think it's time. That you went over and got started putting those next words down and I think we're GONNA talk next Tuesday right Yes, we are. Wonderful new things ready for you and I am off to get my book done. Well, Joel thank will field. Author of. Better. Than I deserve right my mind went blank right at that point better than I. Deserve. And we're going to were working they continue each month now for until the book comes out with tips for you. So you can get your book going, and so we'll be checking back with you soon, and in a few minutes, we'll have a quick update from our Hollywood historian, Sam Longoria. So hang in there. Here we go. Thanks again enjoy. By love you. Well, and now as promised here is our Hollywood historian Sam Longoria who has spent most of his life in Hollywood is near as I can tell, working on many pictures including the original ghostbusters he drops by each month listen Special Holiday Tales Sam with things the way they are in school starting and all that. Do you think the movies are GonNA, come back I think they sort of have to it. expresses a need that people have to not only tell a story but also to. See The story in a setting with a bunch of other people. That's part of it and I think. I think movies have such important place for us and I know I told you the story of how. I was in school up until I was probably would prices changed my dad and I would go to the movies on Saturday 'cause movies were a quarter and of course, we didn't have a car and we didn't have much money as I recall I didn't have to pay until I was twelve to pay it all it wasn't I don't think it was even a quarter I think is a quarter. We will drop my momma at the Y. She would really he's magazines swim 'cause she liked that and then we would we would go to movie and if I was very good which I didn't. Often get to do we stop at the Soda Fountain on the way home for a what we call the marshmallow dry Sunday or a milk shake or something. So it was a big big movie was a big deal in those days must quite social that sounds wonderful Yeah. I have I have a dumb little story for you here. Now it is. It is There's some big. There's some big names in this story, but I find most interesting the smaller players who have a huge influence and the reason that is as an here I go dropping a name luckily, it's big one It Orson Welles. told me that Holly. Yeah Orson Welles told me that Hollywood is a small town. And I would never think that 'cause they're big tall buildings and all that stuff but he's right I left enumclaw Washington. Which has Yeah five thousand people you know and it for Hollywood which is just a neighborhood in Los. Angeles we all pretended to city, but it's just a neighborhood and There are only maybe five thousand people there and you interact with all the people in your area or your your. Your type of movie and it's not very big. So Anyway, Orson Welles was right and the examples that he gave me that just down the block that it was a hot dog stand named pinks and pink is all hot dogs and his people lined up to buy hotdogs and you'll see Drew Barrymore. Is there I remember seeing her there is a little kid and You Know Orson Welles used send out for food or he'd go down the street to a little closer to beverly hills than even hang out at mummy song, which is a French restaurant. And he said forty years earlier there always was a hot dog stand. There wasn't called pinks and didn't have lines around the block, but it was the Hollywood hotdog stand. And so. my story really is about a guy you've never heard of Rick's Faysal. Rick Faizal is a fellow of Arabic I believe Derivation and. Owns a company called phase L. Productions, which of course, is his name. Rick was an actor in holly in he was in a bunch of shows. Rick is one of the rarest birds. There are rick actor with common sense and in this case business since he came into some money and I don't remember it was he got a national commercial hurry got a game show. But instead of spending all the money bought himself some editing gear. So he could edit his videotaped from the shows that he had already done. Then he took out an ad so other actors and actresses could edit their videotapes into demo tapes. So casting directors could decide. Decide to hire them. Now this turned out brilliantly, Rick was busy all the time he had. He hired my friend Christina John's who's a wonderful actress and absolute wizard at editing as it turns out. Now, I was editing. Tape too because Christina was working all the time and so they hired me now I was editing tape and working every evening at my theater as directing rehearsals and putting up shows and you never know what somebody's strengths are. I. Put together. Christmas. Show is an improvised Christmas Carol and we told the story of scrooge and Marley in our case of course, it was a ghost Bob Marley and all of it in our case, was was crazy and so. One day I mentioned. Gosh this isn't really Christmassy. What is what is missing? and. and Christina showed up with an Armload of costumes and sheet music, and suddenly my Christmas show was Christmasy, it was wonderful it had music and costumes. Now. Martin Landau was a friend and he came to my Christmas show. He dragged me aside he said this is terrific. Show I I love it, and he gave me notes. So I'm getting a notes from an Oscar worthy actor and for other shows well, Phil Everley was our neighbor at the theater and he was at the show he called my He called my place and said we're coming in we don't want you to make a big deal. Okay. So I called my Nashville friend who knew the Everley brothers and she told me that must be Phil. Don't you dare call him dawn you know which is like the worst thing you could do apparently with the Everley brothers. So we had a wonderful talk of is really nice. Well, we all for the show Martin is wearing a big hat and so phil. Everley has very loudly in the dark room so you have to take off your hat. Martin, says I can't take off my hat I'm Martin Landau and I don't want everyone to recognize me which big laugh and Phil Everley comes back with. Well I feel. I can't see the show with you wearing that hat please take it off. Luckily I had the sense of mine to call the Carton, play the Music Kim, start this show, and that's what it was like all the time I mean, these guys are creative and fun, and just I love being there better than anyplace else. I know you loved it I know you did kind of refreshes. It's a great story. But in case there are people Martin Landau I remember that's for mission impossible. I think and says what? Yes, he was mission impossible. He worked in Alfred Hitchcock's movie. North northwest. And got an Oscar for doing ed wood where he played Bela Lugosi. And and he was so good. Make got an Oscar to. That would be good. My makeup should get an Oscar. So, now, the Everley brothers we pretty well no, but refresh again gotTA assume they're trying time. Mother years, we're out talking on the sidewalk Everley and his little kid and his little kid looks like there was no mother involved. It just looked like a clone of him absolutely same and and I'm thinking the this is the guy who influenced Paul. McCartney. and. John Lennon. To make the Beatles. Because the Everley brothers had this wonderful harmony that they would do and the Beatles did the same thing you know one harmon. Brothers were back about the late fifties the early. Fifties and early sixties I they still alive. I have not caught up with them and while I will check. Easier to catch up I suppose. And now also. Everyone knows arson wells but here's what I WANNA know letters and wells. What was he like in person? What was it like to talk to him he referred to himself as Glutton. And I could see why you know. I don't WanNA BE UNKIND poor? Mr. Wells had a health problem at the time and it was almost certainly due to overindulgence and so he was amazing because he could do anything he would look at stuff and. Say, all this takes an afternoon for me to learn how to do it, and he would learn it, and now he was good at some guy who'd been at it for a long time. So he had to pretend that he wasn't that good or they'd hate him. While also, also, my mentor Lynnwood done Lynnwood done, get all the optical printing in citizen Kane and he told me the whole story about Orson said. How you know when he was young and he started out, he could get anybody to do anything never raised his voice in he would. He would use very clever tricks. He would say, Oh, I didn't know you couldn't do that I'm very sorry I shouldn't have as you know they're going one who says I can't do. Running around. Doing everything at a run. So. Anyway. He was an amazing person and the codicil. Excuse me the the ending of this story is that on this afternoon in October nineteen, eighty-five, turn it on the radio we'd been talking. All Day and telling old stories and the news guy comes on and says. Says just passed away about two blocks from where we were sitting there talking about it. And Lynn said it perfectly he said spoke. That was rookie and I should say it that plate San Longoria. Is our Hollywood historian who stops by every month with a few Hollywood stories. You won't hear anywhere else Sam could. How can folks find you? They can find me at Sam Longoria Dot. com is my webpage and they can write to me at Sam at Longoria Dot Com. Well and I hope they will end in the meantime to again next month for SAM will be right here on the same street corner which which is a Sam. This karner would be orange and Santa Monica. Thank you so much. This is do I. Think well him. Please continue to join us for swimming. Upstream. Find us at SOB RADIO NETWORK DOT COM remember. SOB, stands for spunky Oh broads. All the hosts are women past fifty or you can find us at it's never too late, dot com, and until next time off I, go just imagine a splash is I dive into the water till next time by now. Begs for listening to swimming upstream Dorothy Wilhelm will be back next week with more great guests. Great Ideas. No telling what she'll do next be prepared if you just can't wait contact or theodore swimming upstream facebook page or on the web at www, it's never too late DOT com. This is the irrepressible sat longer.
Generation Gap 2021
"Hello welcome. It's time to join. Dorothy wilhelm who had his very minute is swimming upstream. Because it isn't crowded there. This new show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going. Dorothy gets crappy. If you keep waiting well here. We are again. This is dorothy will help. And this is generation gap. And i'm going to tell you the faith truth. Were a little gap here today than usual but just like you. We're doing our best. You know this is the show that looks at how the different generations look at today's world. Now i am eighty seven years old in fact next week next week i'll be eighty seven so i am part of the silent generation. That doesn't mean we were quiet. And so you may be shaking your headed puzzlement in thinking god. She didn't seem quiet. Know what that meant. Was we follow the rules. We didn't protest. We didn't break the rules and someone comes up with the pig on their sweatshirt about it and so anyway. That's the silent generation was like now. I'm going to take you to the newsroom. This is quite exciting. We've never gotten to do this before to the newsroom of the enumclaw courier herald for my co host race. Still and he's going to tell you about his generation. Ray l. yes. We are not the silent generation. We are out there and we're roasting. Because we are millennials. Do where pigs on our t shirts don't mind you know it's a funny thing but it unsettles me. It does it and you could tell it really. Yeah it really did unsettled you. I was very surprised and and just for the listeners. At home this is an animal farm. There's no commentary about a lease on this at all but see. This is why. I think the show is important. We read through the filter of our generation. The funny thing is you know. I really try to keep up with all else is going on and heaven knows. I know animal farm. But what i saw when you stood up was that you know. I thought it was protest. Well it is but in a different way in a different world today. we're going to be talking about. A new year's resolutions opens there for them and that kind of thing and so to do that. We like to bring in another guest who kind of fits in the middle between rapidly deteriorating old age and potential fatherhood and so our guest. Today is peter. Bergen and peter is a speaker in on the subject of bullying and education. What generation are you peter. Well first of all. Thank you. Dorothy and ray for having me on your show. I'm a generation xer and now what what are the characteristics of the generation x. person well people kind of sell us out thinking we're wrecking the planet. But i think we're here to bring peace joy happiness and fulfilment to planet earth really. That is wonderful news. What have you got for me today. I have a lot. Where would you like me to start well. Let's let's start. Just keep thinking we'll come back of but let's start with the fact the reason i thought of this topic for today show this is. This is as you're listening to it. We have made it hopefully to twenty twenty one and scary thought right there because we're recording. We haven't even had christmas yet. How do i know what i got and i will have had a birthday. My goodness they keep coming around no matter what you do. And that's a good thing so when i was little but i remember very much was a little one time i remember. New year's resolutions were a big deal. We had to make them after christmas. And certainly in the week between christmas and new year's my mother would set set us down and we would sit down with other kids and we would write in our tablet in in good sentences. What our resolutions were for the year ahead and mother would be clear to point out to us that could stand to improve. And if we couldn't think of any resolutions she could well of course. Art narrowly. if you've got two weeks if you've got two days you had done quite well but that was the thing we did. And i believe i carried it probably into the early years of my marriage. I have the feeling that after the kids came along. I just didn't have time anymore. And that's probably where it disappeared but for my generation that was. That was an important thing as i said as what we're looking at is the filters we see our life through and for me. Definitely the start of the year is we must make resolutions. Ray how 'bout you. I do not make new year's resolutions. I don't think anyone in my generation does in place. Then i think of i personally. I don't enjoy the idea of putting Of starting out the year trying to do something difficult trying to do something challenging. It's dr it's dreary Anybody who is listening to this and not living in washington we have approximately four hours daylights. That's trio there's not. there's not a lot of daylight up here so trying to start something. New just doesn't work for me so it is much better for me to win. I feel like i need a quote unquote new year's resolution at at so much better for me to actually start that in the middle of the year really. Yes when it's in the in the springtime. So that i i feel good. That's that's the season of rebirth and of changes. That is a much better time for me to figure to start a new year's resolution. And i certainly our generation. We weren't expected to feel good and the whole advantage was it was dark and terrible. And you couldn't do anything else that you just well reform. Let's bring peter in and see what what about you peter. What about your generation. I bet you didn't do resolutions either. Well we own smart goals now. Smart goal so i use the analogy of gps dorthy. Ray would you get in your car and come to new york without a gps. I wouldn't go to new. You know fans and why would i. Why would i even try and drive to new york decides that. Let's say you wanted to show your love and come see me in new york because you have a place to stay with me if you come to new york now with that being said would you go into your car or truck with gps. without it. absolutely not. I don't you don't get to correct it isn't it may be correct for you but it may not be correct for me. Go a lot of places. You gotta realize my generation. Now i can use. Gps but for us. It's kind of the thrill of the hunt we get in the car. I get lost everywhere. I go i look forward to it. And new york's way long way from the great northwest. And i will say this about that. I went to new york city on my honeymoon and it wasn't bad. Go on peter. Why love what you brought up. Let's not say a. gps for your generation. Dorothy let's say we use a roadmap. Okay were you take your roadmap out of the glove box or not you choose not to and i'll tell you let's look at it this way. Let's say for instance i say. Let's get you the new york you're not gonna use the roadmap and when you go into your car you either go into the ocean or you go into canada or you go into california or you might find your way to the mississippi river without that roadmap. You'll not make it to new york. Would you take that risk to go into the ocean. Canada california or into the mississippi river. Well no no. I would not take that risk and i would go in the olden days now now peter don't make any. Don't jump to any conclusions. In the old days. I would have gone to triple a. And they would have given me a nice book with all the places i needed to stop and everything and so actually we we all miss the old book very much you. You may continue. Oh very good. I actually drove in the city of rochester without even a. Gps did a street guide. So i'm caught in between like you said dorothy i'm between ray and i'm between you. I've already done my goals for two thousand and twenty one are ready. Give you an idea your goals. I'm a little bit confused How does this analogy wrapping up here. Very good so my goals are smart. Goals and my michael's. I have a mastermind group. So i'm actually gonna be starting another mastermind groups. That's that's really good but that's not where we're going. We're going sorry right. Let's let's try you get you get to do your little push at the end of the show We what we want to talk about right now is how the different generations. Look at the start of the new year. So let's kind of kind of get that car park in. See what we can do our well back to the question that i literally right my goals down already. They're done you know my resolution. Yes so what were they. You want me to give specific. Well if you're if they're not indecent. Yeah i am all about business. Because i do not teach anymore okay. Tall business goals and personal goals. I do everything. I look at every category of life from relationships playing and having fun to fitness and then i set a goal for each category of life. Well give us one category of life. I don't think we can take in all of them. Okay for exercise. I walk a half half our sorry. I walk a half hour nature day. That's good and how what what failsafe saves you put in to see that. You'll keep that goal. That's a great question. I have a coach that gives me. He'll say go. Go walk and then call me when you're done this. Oh this is one thing about your generation. Peter and i'm not sure ray is. You're still very much coached This has a lot to do with. Like when i started speaking is that i the last thing in the world i would ever do is call on somebody. If because i've gotten i walk. I walk a mile every day with my trekking sticks. So i go pay darn fast and you look out for this little old lady but i would never i mean. This is just our generation. We would never call on somebody because we'd walk. That just isn't something we would do. I do know that than jenex in whatever they very much. And i don't know whether it's better or worse very much depend on other people and how about your generation ray you know. I think that that's actually rather common with us. We might not be big into new year's new year's resolutions. But i think we are big on having what pete said accountability buddies We don't like doing things alone. Were very social and to to have someone hold us accountable to what we're doing is one of the best ways to make sure that we stick to our goals In a past life when i was martial artist One of the biggest tips that might teacher would give me was a write it down which it seems like both you and peop- do and be get a success coach Find someone who will hold you at least accountable if not do this all with you. And that's the best way. I think to stick to a new year's resolution really or or any goal that you have is finding someone who loves to say no you need to go out and and work your butt off and you know what drives us mad. My generation is that you guys. You're going out getting a coach darnell. We've been telling you that for twenty five years and you've been ignoring yes but you will go out and get the stranger to do it but now see we start. Peter you can kind of begin to see this is what this show is about is about the builders that we see life through because often you think. Well i can't talk to my mother at all. You know that kind of thing. I realize your mother has gone on. But but it's not that you can't but that we all have to look through those filters sometimes it's just unreachable you just don't really you know even know what's happening but so so let's think about it this way. Then if you were going to write down a goal a single goal and you're not gonna it. I guess it yours say but if you were going to write down a single goal for the year ahead that you were going to work on and i am going to be working by myself see. The advantages of this is when i'm dead. I won't even notice. I've been by myself right along. This is so but for for your generation speaking for yourself. What what one thing would you like to work on for this coming year. That you discuss. Yes i like to say a sentence. I made up i i i hope is good. Faith is better and knowing is the best. So i know in two thousand and twenty one with the pandemic the way it is. Everyone is getting on virtual stages like radio. tv podcasts. that i believe and this is my belief. Now i can almost say. I know the planet will be a better place in two thousand and twenty one super duper That's and that's good and and him of your generation. I must say Let's see what ray has to add. If there was one goal that i wanted to achieve and twenty twenty one. It's to reconnect with my friends especially with twenty twenty the way it was. I want to be able to reach out more to them. Even if it's not seeing them in person but just connecting with them some more. I do feel like even though we are doing these connecting virtually all the time. Now that I could do a lot better on actually reaching out on a personal level to my friends so that would be mine. I want to be more social. I want to reconnect with my social group. That's that's really an nc because as you were saying social. I know for me The these nine months. I have been virtually alone in this house. And it's a wonderful little house. Had i love it. But i've been alone now you know. I've taken advantage of this time to become a certified. A virtual event presenter. And so. I'm giving all kinds of parties. Online is caused some problems in my family because they actually thought i was having people in. But isn't that. But but what i realized for me is. I need to find a way to be closer to my kids. My grandkids grads. Because once i go on and at eighty seven the door does only swing one way I i want them to know. I was here so that would be my my profound wish. So peter out there in the infield on the court kind of i see you sitting on the coroner's sort of their What's thoughts bring to your mind. Well the first thing i could think of when it comes to my own relationship with myself and my higher power i like to be. I call it politically correct. It could be called your higher power god allah etc. Is that the biggest relationship we have is the one we have with ourselves and i call that self. Coaching can really get good with yourself. And self coach yourself. You can do everything that you could think possible. you know. you're still at the stage where life is a big surprise to you They as i say. I've been here alone in this house for nine months so self coaching has a whole different meaning. But but this is good. See the whole point. Is that so often when we talk to people of different generations. We don't understand what they're really trying to say. And so this this is probably all to the good. Although it's all to confusing ray you have a puzzled. Look on your face is an only the car crumbs or is there something more. No no no. It had nothing to do this conversation. I was just thinking to myself if i had a second goal I need to learn how to stop multitasking. Because no one can multi task. They can only think they can. So peter are you a multitasker okay. Good i am But again if you know this is the thing if you live alone it really doesn't matter you can. As soon as you have to begin to think about the other people in your life that you have to begin to to do things in a different way so sensitive is the people we meet that we should be thinking about it. And i can tell you because you. You are in a busy newsroom today. Ray we can hear the people on the back there. What would be your wish for everybody else for the year ahead. My wish for people is the real realize if you go in word and you heal yourself from within either us far eastern persuasions like meditation which is kind of the new fangled thing. And there's many other things you can do to heal yourself once you heal your insight world. You will mirror up and reflect an outside world that's going to be peace peaceful and there's universal laws in success principles and my generation accessible back that up You wouldn't happen to have You wouldn't happen to have a ghandi tattooed somewhere on your body. Would you know. I have a yoda. Just very Do you do my own. Yeah my own quirks. I'm writing a book ray. It's no big surprise. I did a podcast called the book. Doctors peter you might be interested. I would love that. Yes yeah it's really pretty good. Well okay. so that's good so you're still it's great. I mean that that's that's great period but again looking at the different generations. of course meditation isn't new. all of it goes back thousands of years in forever. you know not for me. Speaking of that taichi doesn't i can That's that's what i use for meditation. And so i can't sit down looking at the cracks between my knees but i can do tae and that breathing and all does help. So i guess that maybe the point of this round would be Maybe the point of this round would be what helps you. What what gives you that little boost that you need. And so i guess for me it would definitely be taichi. It would definitely be talking to interesting people like this. How about our time. Now is getting short and i promise peter he could say something nice about his business. Ray would you say something nice about your business or your upcoming baby either. What or even announced that. I'm going to become a dad. I hadn't regulations. I feed irish leaving you an opening so headed in the nounce. Well jeez i mean yeah. I'm going to be a dad The baby is gonna come in june. And we're just Besides ourselves with excitement and anticipation and anxiety And i know that. I'm gonna start looking at the world in a completely new way which is something that that's a once in a lifetime. Opportunity that i'm very excited for will. It isn't once in a lifetime. There's nothing like it in the whole world is just. It's just a beautiful time and you're never so crazy in love as you are at that time it's a funny thing and then they do get to be seventeen but not for a long time so you don't have to worry about that yet. I do. I remember my oldest son coming home from the naval academy and he'd been gone most of a year because they let you out ledge and is my the next boy in line had had a growth spurt and was now taller than his brother and as as the first boy came up the stairs and they looked at him and he said all i've got to say is if mom had hit you over the head as much as she you she didn't be. You would be a lot shorter and a lot nicer. So now i step. I stepped on your last year last night. Did you want to say there that i interrupted. I'm not sure it flew out of my hands. Beautiful thing say a beautiful thing. Gosh while you know. I didn't answer the question about what i wanted for the rest of the world and i would like the rest of the world to be able to communicate better this next year. I want these divisions That have scoured our country to start to heal. I don't know if that can happen. But that's my wish. That is very good. And mr bergen taken home for us very good. Well i have a seventeen year old son. And i have never said anything unkind to him nor ever hit him which was powerful raising up my son but i'd to share with your audience. Advise me may share something. You may fast. Yeah i'll be fast right now. What raised going through his prenatal with the loved. One first of all. It's no basically no short of a huge miracle that conception even occurred they're finding out by scientists one six hundred trillion chance that that baby was even conceit so that is a miracle the next thing is i call. It planned parenting plan. Parenting is before conception that i would like to spend planned. Parenthood is the fox. Before you can see a child and the words us they might be too offered for your generation but for the generation before a even to know that when you plan parenting situation they you given an environment before it's born before it's even will peter. Do you want to tell isel. How do people how people can find you if they would like to know more about your work. Yes you can. Email me at p. As in peter birkin b. u. r. k. i. n. g. mail dot com or. You could look me up on lincoln or facebook. Okay thank so much. Thank you for being with us. And i hope we have a very very happy new year. Indeed this has been generation gap and with with my good friend. Well with my good friend. Peter bergen and with my longtime good friend ray miller still who is younger than springtime and About to experience all the joys of fatherhood you'd be nice to that lady of yours. I try. She's not making it easy with her morning sickness. I'll tell you that and you think she's doing she lies there and she says what can i do. Let me get up and throw up all over him. Yes it will be trust me. It'll be a wonderful thing that will that will be great as so next next radio. One more point point because me. Okay i gotta tell you. I am a life coach. Passion test acilitator mastery of self love trainer. So i just wanted to tell the people if they do email me if they put in the subject climb. They knew me from dorthy that i will give him a free coaching session for an hour. Excellent thank you very much. This great so anyway Next month we'll be talking about valentine's day and sweethearts. And i'm gonna wanna hear what you're doing for your sweetheart that we can all emulate goes of us who are on so i guess i need a to and remember you can always hear generation gap all of our shows and my generation gap dot com. I don't know how you could possibly miss you. Can tell how scintillating we are is quite exciting pretty exciting so much to peter. Bergen ray miller still and as always. I'm dorothy wilhem begs for listening to swimming upstream. We'll be back next week with more great guests. 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GENERATION GAP - WITH RAY STILL
"Hello welcome it's time to join Dorothy Wilhelm who had his very minute is swimming upstream because it isn't pouted there. This new show is for people who wanNA break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's let's get going. Dorothy gets crabby. If you keep waiting well hello there. This is Dr. They will end indeed indeed. We are swimming upstream. I'm doing sites sidestroked today. My best one is floating but you know the reason we swim upstream because it's not crowded here and because you meet people you wouldn't be anywhere else else and today is our generation gap episode which I always enjoy so much. I want you to know right away that we have a new generation gap. Website is my generation dot com and we hope you'll join us with questions S. Juiston ideas for the show and then today a race still the editor of the wonderful enumclaw career Herald is here with us and also in our vast studio <hes> Hollywood historian Sam Longoria so this is GonNa be fun because I don't go anywhere that you know I don't go anywhere. It isn't fun so we're GONNA start off as Rayan. I always do highway. A dorothy. Dorothy begin again on the website is my generation gap dot com corrected. I say my generation how clever of you to catch me. Probably that's why our producer Joe hasn't been able to find it. I just unrealized yesterday. I'm closer now to eighty six in eighty five. You better be nice to be yes. Yes Ray is quite right. It is my generation gap dot com. I'm so proud I got through it anyway. As Ray always says we're trying to learn sees a world through each other's is so we start off with words with few words I think we've got five words that mean something to us a little sutton and may mean something different to our co host cell you start way because you're smarter than I am today not always today but today well it with the fourth of July being right around the corner. I thought it'd be try and focus on some more patriotic terms talk to start off with fried and when I say pride to you what automatically comes your head you you know what's funny is confusion and I'M GONNA get in trouble right away because there's so much emphasis today on the various gay pride matters that it doesn't seem to be that means the same thing it did when when I was young pride was while you know the proud to be an American they that pride was our country. Our flag are boys in blue or whatever color it was and pride in yourself that you you know you're doing what you were supposed to as an American that to you jeff. What does it mean to you? I I'm I'm happy and also surprised is I thought about <hes> game pride being the first thing the L._G._B._T._Q.. Community <hes> and I completely understand the confusion that you might go there because every day there seems to be an additional letter or additional term and that's hard to keep up with it is hard and the thing thing is that you feel I believe I could get it at some point but they need to slowed now this just me and I'm old and I know it that they need to slow down a little. I feel I do think there is a time in place for having they labeled but I also feel bats you know ten twenty years ago. The pendulum was one way and we have completely swung to another and it almost is like and this is my opinion that we've gone to wear since everything has had its own definition ocean. We've almost reverted back to some sort of tribalism <hes> for example <hes> my sister and I had a discussion about my sexual orientation. I am not completely straight for all of our listeners out there but I do consider myself straight I consider myself ally the L._G._B._T._Q.. Humidity rather than part of the L._G._B._T._Q.. Community because I have dated a with only a couple of exceptions women <hes> in Romantic and sexual relationships with only a view exceptions women and it would just be really personally for myself <hes> so much more energy <hes> trying to explain the someone I am this whole conglomeration of things and you're saying now I'm really <unk>. I've had my entire life. I very comfortably <hes> in that category and I don't feel the need to over label myself on just because of some part of society would like me too well. This is very astonishing ray. I think we should just fold up and go home. I'M NOT GONNA be able to talk this in any way but thank you and I think I think that's exactly the kind of conversation when I was when I was a girl <hes> that would have been an impossible conversation to have X. so we probably are making progress and the thing about the pendulum in every one of our endeavors the pendulum swings and then it swings back. You can't do anything about it but it never sways quite as part of the other way I great so thank God anyway well. This is my friend. Have I introduced my friend Rachel. You this is ray. He is a complex person but here's that deal we all are so that's kind of fun you now actually the flag <hes> and obviously we recently we almost came to blows on that one. You probably didn't know it that's true we ran a recently. A woman has been running according to us about people disrespecting the American flag of she is particularly. She's particularly a miffed at the flag designs that instead of the red white and blue. It's I believe it's white stars on a black background. On a Black Matt's a plus black and white stripes with the exception of a single colored stripe blue for blue lives matter read for fire yellow or I believe first responders or E._M._s. but basically it's a it's <unk> changing the color scheme of the flag to show support or a particular subsection of the of <hes> first responders basically <hes> what is your take on that. Is that disrespectful or is that respect impossible. I don't react your strongly but can't be done now. I am in fact. I'm not familiar with those flags. Are those like the ones you wear or they. <hes> meant to takes place at the American flag or is it like to fly with it or below it or whatever see I'm fairly unfamiliar with despises violence in the blue lives matter flag <hes> fairly prominently but I haven't seen any others <hes> and this is the first woman who has ever I've spoken to me about this being an issue that someone might actually be upset about and I think she's mostly upset that <hes> and I might have this wrong but I think she's mostly upset at the fact that there are companies out there making money off of this us as well as people seemingly try like it seems like are dividing themselves along supporting lines of whether you know family member or a loved one is in the military or the Fire Department of the Police Department as opposed to flying the American flag in its old glory colors supporting the entire governments in the country of the whole well. I you know I really like you because you you keep bringing me. These things would never in life if occurred to meet even think about doc I I haven't seen what I've seen. I think I think I've read on this. Were flags. You cannot the American flag as of course adopted by cow by Congress. You can't just have another American flags you'd like to and it does kind of reach back to our tribalism thing. The whole purpose of a country's flag is when that flag goes up everyone in the world knows what the country is so you really don't want it being changed off and on <hes> but nick and it has been changed in my lifetime certainly when but the overall design was not changed when we had in Hawaii Alaska states but <hes> I think people the one thing I don't mind people making a flag and because I have no problem with the the rainbow flag one thing that is funny is that I'm so far generation <unk> Lee out of it that I did not realize those little emojis with rainbows close. Were you know what will people making a statement and I sent my my granddaughter one. My granddaughter is She's an adult woman married with children and I sent her a little rainbow thing and she said in the in the she said blessed to well. I have no idea so as far as the flag is concerned. I have no problem usually the specially designed flags like the M._I._A.. Prisoner warned that kind of thing it can be flown under the American flag but nothing can be flown equal with it and you cannot have a new flag just because you want. I'm going to disagree with you there. There is one thing that can fly equal bleep. That's the Texas state black. No no no aw no. They said that today's ninety two deaths the state flag has to fly beneath or at least lower than that's and that's because here's the thing and we don't like to you know we're never gonna get to the whole discussion because we're having the whole L. Discussion but when when you are in battle in your shrunk up this hill you want to be able to see the flag ignore. The commander isn't hope he has shot I so you know then someone else's supposed to rush for. Read the flag so but anyway ah there's both a pride back to pricey how this knits together. There's a reason of pride but there's also reason of law that your your country's flag no matter what your country is as got to stay the same other expressions I think are welcomed and I've got no problem with all. Let's do oh. Let's do such an easy when this isn't even this isn't even controversial in any other in any way. Maybe how about fourth of July picnics snicks can smell now yeah like I'm just a wash with with with a census right now. The wash sh <hes> the the charcoals unreal <hes> burnt meets the sole or fireworks cheap beer. You Know Crack Open Rainier something just that just comes back to me so quickly now I they are they still is it still fun for you taking still yes I mean <hes> I have to always slather myself in stunned sunscreen which is the worst part of just going outside in general <hes> but yes I do enjoy or the July festivities facilities <hes>. I think that it's always fun to go out and pop open a grill and watch big fireworks show now if you ask me <hes> fireworks in general tend to be very dangerous idea. I think that our cities need to be looking at different ways to enforce their fire ordinances. I've known <hes> and read too many stories of people blowing up fingers because they were being unsafe <hes> that I think that we have the seriously look at that and I'm do here a lot of arguments as well. That's when it comes to a veterans of P._T._S._D.. Those with that fireworks on the fourth of July can be a huge issue I would much rather support large fireworks show done by a responsible organizations stations sponsored by community as a whole as opposed to try and to your own and see I go back to the days when you started early in the morning in everybody tried to blew up blow up everything Nikki resit. Oh my classmate was legendary in that. He tried to cut a dynamite. nightcap with a pair of sisters and is is remarkable for Mick having said well look at all that hamburger after but now when I what I was young and the Earth was new dinosaurs roamed the land there that was we picnics were very big but my goodness grill sees this is we don't even realize grill charcoal absolutely not campfire. Yes they little camp by you could set a coffee pot or put a chicken. Can we see that was a lot of trouble so you would probably by chicken at home and put it in a basket or a basket. I think definitely it would be where we could walk to because there were no cars in in Worl world there was only one car and it just depended someone could bar what if they were responsible. Hardly anyone was so that took care that and my mother always made root beer for the fourth of July which unfortunately league exploded it always exploded and we all would have to take cover as the glass strap it can't Kinda gave a really festive effect so I remember for the July thickness picnics as being fun but a little hazardous so there's nothing like a little sense danger. Does she think ring a little sparked your day especially on the fourth of July and I think we could easily easily. We practically have made a whole show. This is always so much fun and I should say at this point. I always caught my hands on. I'm happy I isn't that a fake expected by the very will appear but you know we gotta get salmon to the discussion Russian exactly announced. Just let let me just stare just a minute so our guest today is Longoria. You can't do anything with him. I mean you know he's just like on my kids terrible thing to say you hate that 'cause sometimes hold on like that but actually it's very affectionate. <hes> Sam Longoria is in fact going to be on our new show segment the Hollywood historian Dorian and does Sam for reasons that will be made clear to you later but we've we've asked them to join US having examined here at yes you are and since you've asked Sam <hes> a why don't you added you have to invite him didn't she. Is The you're now. We haven't met yet but I'm ray great. Hey Ray has it. Don't we're doing great today so good at my hometown of income yes cindy. It'd be love it down there. Yeah it's so why don't you start off with July discussion offs in well. I guess the question I want to ask you salmon. You dorothy is are you proud to be in American independence. Independence Day is again right around the corner. This is when we celebrate the day that you know we decided to declare independence from the <hes> from the ARL edition overlord British Monir army proud to be Americans Americans passionately absolutely no question one of my favorite authors is Robert Heinlein and he wrote a series of books about way science fiction writer but one of his letters letters was to a friend who said while you know this whole thing we wanna get war over with and so the thing basically outlined with how the United States should surrender Japanese and Robert Heinlein response ons was to say listen. I don't know who's GONNA end up ruling world but I wanted to be us. If somebody else is spoiling for a fight we will give them one and we will beat them because that's what we do and at some point you have to say where's the line who's going to cross if they cross it where the consequences and that's how you run the country you don't run the country by laying down for the world will let me say something though I'm not so sure that answers the question of are you proud to be in a minute I am I am proud. Also I'M GONNA join in here. Yes I am also proud to be an American because otherwise we would have to make you sit in the hall but just wanted to second. Could we always Sam in with the generation gap. Guess we do have to say how old we are approximately so people will know what generation approximately five thousand years old okay. Sam is approximately five thousand nine hundred fifty east sticks and for those of you I I can't believe that check for those of you who went to public schools who may have to have a calculator anyway <hes> yeah. I am proud to be an American because there's no country that has done more to raise Indiana poverty. There is no country that has changed the standard of living standard behavior standard acceptable indecent before there was capitalism for example. There was conquest people with take with a one that's what they got and that's why confused the Gore's came here. They wanted to conquest this continent and what don't ask good. We're back to find a let's just let's wait a minute. Wait hold that thought what about you. Can I am product in American and to jump on Sam's on their back to conquest you know you when you brought this topic up as an ideas can focus on my mind went straight to <hes> United States territories <hes> or as I think there should be called our colonies uh-huh and they're interesting to me that even though I'm very proud to be in American I'm proud of the leaps and bounds that we've not only <hes> made as a country but help the world makers well. Yes degree are sorely lacking. Lacking in some areas and I know that well I'm GONNA be watching a firework show. <hes> come July fourth. I know that there are five calling out there that don't have the ability to vote for presidents. <hes> in America America American Samoa's case not even <hes> U._S. citizens there U._S.. Nationals which means they kind of not only a vote for the president's in the general election they can't votes at all and they can't hold any public office us in this is all sales. You think that will change. I don't feel in your bones that it will because that's natural order. Things will change hasn't changed yet and it's been it's been a hundred years. We'll more more than yes but Cuba is no longer a protectorate and I mean you can go down listing. This is so typical of how guys talk I mean you know I just could go out and sit in the hall just as well because we'll we'll see but I don't think women now. I like to think I'm well informed when women don't think this way what what I think what women think I immediately drawn back to who was the said my country country may she always be right and she remember but my country right or wrong now that goes with the colonies and everything but it doesn't always mean people take that to me that whatever they do it's right yeah no. It's like it's like we are as parents. Is that that I love you. Do I can't destroyed by God. She needs straightening up now but she's mine and I I am proud of her. Will the expect neither do continue right. Just want us. I I agree with you Sam that I do feel Terry strongly that <hes> that because of what I believe America is that we will do you believe is decent America. Yes yes I believe is more than I believe that Genta. I don't mean these like okay. I made these as well acting having values. I think that America wants to have moral values. <hes> some of the times we managed to strive in meet the bar some times we manage to exceed it and some other times you manage to not. I think that America's has a very complicated one win. There was a draft I used to say I don't want to draft okay but if the Russians arrive here I will be shooting Russians on the beach and I think any right-thinking impersonal <unk> ending his country that is that's my one demarcation. I don't think in America is an indecent place. I don't think it is immoral. I think that it's probably the shining saving lives and piping that for the world to change in China Pass to change I well. I think we're a little self-satisfied is the problem because for instance we do think an and I really agree we try we and we want the one thing that I've become convinced of over the years is that most people really try hard it to the good Americans to do what they should do. At whatever that is but we've fallen way behind in education. We've fallen way behind in in maternal attornal in an infant health in that kind of thing may not seem important is we need to realize we need to realize not important. Well apparently is not important because it hasn't bothered anybody yet <hes> well. I'm not a hundred percent behind public education because it gets hold on let me I sat in the back of the Reading World Book Encyclopedia Not Because I was a kid but because they didn't care that I couldn't leave your finding that we had exactly crying along with him. You know I also suffered that so. I don't think that every school is Great. I don't think every teacher a lot of feel they have a calling in the APP to be but are there any good end and that's really has to be questioned in and it isn't it isn't because somebody gets in two <unk> worked in the Los Angeles Komo News time and I see how terrible it is. People who have the school education system just won't control of the children so that their parents will vote the way they want. Well you know how it is me too. shh No thank you thank you. You know how it isn't radio. We are now down to accurately call the end and so I'm GonNa give you each a moment for while I in a in a passionate yet gently move away. I'm going to close show but then I'm gonNA come back to each of you for one last talk about the shining light the light on the hill the beacon the word for our audience that will get them through the whole fourth of July weekend you think a close it won't take on so you have been listening to generation gap with race still today Sam Longoria and me Dorothy Wilhelm and we want you to join us our website. Website is my generation depth dot com. Let us know that you'd like to talk about. Let us know what your ideas that you'd like to that. You'd like to express and we'll have some fun you can reach us <unk> Dorothy at and my generation gap dot com or a swimming upstream. It's never too late DOT com. You can find us almost anywhere. Actually if you want to and now ray no wait. You're the host we should ask. Our guests. Never never mind is not know now right this all right God bless America good. I like that I would go with Sam. God bless America. This is not will help swimming upstream. Thanks for the.
GENERATION GAP NO CHAOS FOR THE HOLIDAYS - Part 2
"Hello welcome it's time to join Dorothy Wilhelm who had his very minute is swimming upstream. Because it isn't crowded there. This new show now is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going. Dorothy gets crappy. If you keep waiting hello and Merry Christmas this is Dorothy Arthur Wilhelmi swimming upstream today. Because there's ice on that onstream a however however I got some interesting people for you to meet and and I'm going to solve all your holiday problems. You don't believe that nobody would let me introduce on generation gap today. which is what we're doing doing my co-host speak co host? Ray Miller still editor of the courier. Enumclaw Korea Herald right see. I've been doing this. Awhile is getting hard you know. There's only two courier heralds you can just say well I didn't know that. See this system now really. Oh and the only difference between emailing them emailing us as a dashed On heroin the email slug of the yen's we get a lot of emails from Ireland interest. I didn't know that. Interestingly enough this being generation gap you're just heard what happens with generations tied to communicate and and therefore we have taken the precaution of bringing in an expert on the subject Lisa M Boso J. D. M. A. and we're delighted to have you here because and I'm glad you're sitting between us. Actually we get along very well to be scared to anyway anyhow last time we did this show. We left our families jointly in some of US sitting at the Thanksgiving table Each interacting with the other in their own inimitable way which was going to cause trouble for sure so so how about. Why don't you review for US Lisa? We've got our lovely traditionalist at the table is she is looking lovely looking lovely. Lovely her core. We're value one of her core values generations respect that already got so there was already trouble because her baby boomers sons. Were telling her that she should stop APP. Driving right new student of better. That just started out. We hadn't even gotten the potatoes passed around. And then you have our boomers Tables the Irish. Then the boomers who wanted to give their opinion and be recognized that they had thought through Russia's decision for you before sharing and and not really having enough time to really share their thoughts and opinions because they were cut off by other dialogue that we're value recognition ignition. You've got the Gen X.. At the table who is not participating very much just totally signaling. That they are ready for dinner to be done and we should get those potatoes moving quickly. It quickly they tend not to talk as much with their skeptical independent selves. Probably that extra was sitting next to the a millennial which was only slightly annoying because the money was on his phone on and off really wanted to share the answers off the Internet and be participants and trying to collaborate with everyone at the table meals violating lots of females revival and then pretty much uniformly informally at the table. We all got kind of at the. I Gen young person that was at the table. Who definitely didn't WANNA be there? Because they had other things to do at play play their games and everything else and that are long extended conversations were of no interest to 'em whatsoever but sometimes wanted to give their opinions and that did not go out and and somehow with because Christmas is the season of hope and child child like joy. We actually believe that we're going to be able. Is it. Do something with this Motley group myself. I'm getting the heck out of here but we we okay so we're all here. What what can we possibly? I want you to be thinking back into your ample I see with. Mary poppins like case full of all the tricks that you might possibly they do. What might we do? Not Christmas thing about Thanksgiving which is now over is Christmas comes right after it and we got a lot worse because do you. I know that this last birthday for the first time in my life and I didn't realize I done till I've done it was I rejected present. People my age I yeah no I I. My Dad used to things. I know that was awful. We'll purple sheets full shades. It's and I said and not. My kids are smarter than I am because I just I don't want these purposes and I thought they would exchange them I in some. She's I write that they didn't. They took them back very nicely. And we didn't have any fuss about it but I got so. So what is I guess. Decide what you do. Maybe let people know and another thing is that we we talked about if there are personality conflicts which which there may be I was sharing a story about that was because I have been a number of Grown children that could have been anybody but one of the family members brought home a beautiful bride who nevertheless we didn't get along that well she and I at all and so But we finally decided because this the the husband in question was my son we are GONNA GONNA have to get along. We're going to have to because we both loved him and so we worked out a safe word right naturally being asked before it was. I don't remember but when we were together if one of us who said something that was obnoxious and disliked liked. The other person said safe word and you were allowed to go at that time and win Christmas Eve. We just barely made it twenty minutes but now we are very very close because because we worked really hard. And I know you're going to have something wonderful insightful to say about that Lisa I love that story May to have all the right moves if we just SORTA UNPACK that second verse. The first element of business was to sort of recognize that neither person was gonna get it their way all the time. Go into the more you try to say. It has to be my way or you're going to beat your head on that brick wall before you even get into the house at Christmas time so to say okay. We got to work this out. And it's for the good of the love of our size bright or your son. Her husband mention we must they let me come back. The truth is if we don't have intention like that that I want to do this because I don't Wanna carry this heavy burden. I don't WanNa do this because I don't want to continue to hurt you. I don't WanNa do this because because I want our my relationship with this other person to be better. If we don't have intention we just have to own. It probably can continue to be ankle. So that's one thing I love about the story. The second thing is is you have both people participating and the third thing is is like the super happy ending is. That's not the one safe word. One time that all like made it perfect. It was this. Listen time efforts over time committed to a mutual goal of understanding that made this thing work and that's communication at its heartbeat that it is a process intention remain true the outcome less info and we love and respect each other very much now and I think it did lead to respect because you know you had to. You had to same over. Where is this where is it going? So that's maybe maybe that's where you'd start. Yes I see you wiggle your maybe a bit of a tangent but I know that traditionalist one of their core values is respect but same with the last generation I gem that is also also one of their core values but they mean completely different thank you can you really quickly describe what it means to a traditional and what it means to Shwe So the difference in respect between the traditionalist and the I jam the tradition plus want to be respected in very formal structured ways. And then the I gen wants their opinion to be heard and believe it has value but I was gonna say though to connect what you were saying is the what brought them together was a mutual respect but not of core values. Actually it's not like your daughter in law said well you have to be different. And dorothy didn't say I I need not be you. which is if you think about it? How many fights we have around? These tables are gone that way. I don't like the way you are going to be more like this. That's where are these fights like absence or I just won't talk to. You won't be here. I think the the respect that you're bringing up asking about is really this place of you can totally be you and I get to totally be me. And the space that we communicate is one that we jointly create together and that's actually our space in between worked hard it to create that space and what we respect is the space we created for that communication happen an Iky goosebumps when I talk about it. Because that's like the super exciting sweet spot and then I I know you were also mentioning that you had some Thoughts speaking of traditionally being wanting to be respected in a formal setting. I'm fairly certain and my grandmother is a traditionalist but whether she is she is the matriarch around family and you give her that respect and she doesn't always ask gets let's but in fact sometimes the rest of the family imposes it on her which I think has made her uncomfortable over the years I do remember. We were out Sometime around Christmas at a wonderful Pakistani restaurant in downtown Kirkland Downtown Bellevue and I had just turned twenty anyone So I have older cousins at the table were there. I got a couple of hunger ones. I'd just turned twenty one. So darn it on order myself. A GIN and tonic. The and the table just silent because no one had ever ordered hard alcohol before and they. They're and they're like. Can we do that. We do that. And all is go onto my grandma and she gives her permission. And I'm like all right there. We go GIN and tonic. But there seem to be this assumption that for years and years. That grandma would not like that at grandma would not approve. So people didn't don't and grandma obviously gladly said or more or less said Go for it. And the culture of our family shifted shifted ever since that day and it was because our assumptions proved incorrect. About what someone was like at also gave me goosebumps well and I think I think that that's really an excellent story You'll have thought there too. But I was GONNA add onto it in the last our last show Asked about why you couldn't tell you why divorce was so shocking and I would let him talk and which is one of my take things really So I I let let let let me do this talk But but what it kind of goes with the story so you were telling there used to be what they were waiting for was that they thought you had committed an unspeakable act. They were waiting to see if it really wasn't speak -able in a an art in my time our time divorce was unspeakable Double unspeakable but so was cancer. You could not niche is. Did you notice my voice destruct. I was going to say they did not mention cancer. God forbid a lady should have any medical problems might be. She might have women's problems you know that she so see. We're coming out of a forest like Alice in wonderland where there are a whole bunch of unspeakable things that we got tiptoe around. Well that make sense but how did that get instilled in the children of In you guys in Gen xers. How did that out of divorce become a forbidden subject for Gen xers? So baby boomers were the children traditionalist. So they were trained. That certain things were unspeakable acts divorce amongst them in that process though boomers were shifting female gender roles and sort of redefining so now now what was normally a no-go now we have to sort of figure it out but there were no rules. There's nothing to fall back on so you get a generation that's is trying to work it out. And in their confusion and discomfort they have projected that confusion. It's comfort onto the Gen xers. I mean they didn't have a manual to This is okay. You're going to get more presence at Christmas. There was. They were literally suffering in the process of figuring out in that. Then they'll get hat down because they it's hard to have hard conversations when it you don't even know what to say. That feels good and I was going to add to sort of what we're saying that you were talking about these are unspeakable things. We couldn't get more opposite of that to the I gen. There is despicable already started to open up that process with the access to the Internet. And now you you can go. will anything related the F.. Word last show you can say anything. The hasn't even more interesting implants which is not not only did they have access to all this stuff and they believe that their opinion matters in their social groups and all these things. But now we've got this conversation of fluidity of identity that you don't have to be male or female and imaginative in. That conversation. Started at the Thanksgiving table and now it's carrying over Christmas The Person In my age. I don't even know how that works. I don't know how you'd even put everything together. I don't know how you'd buy underwear. It's so I had recommending. That doctor will because for the I.. gend their opinion matters the fundamental way to do that assassin questions. Oh I I I like. I'd like to that question. They are much more open to these discussions. And you know I teach so i. I'm in front of all and so. Oh sometimes something comes up and I'll just pause and say so. Tell me more about that. Good or tell me tell me how that would work to your comfort level. Are you willing to share. And I start these conversations this way and it always shocks me because objects. We don't like to talk about personal staff or sort of independent like inside and then all of a sudden this I will be like so. This is how my friend is dealing with their transgender gender. This is how they're communicating with their parents. This is where they feel safe talking about this where they don't this is how they talk to the doctor. If they are in a fluid identity how oh I would never have talked about that and I wondering how that would go at the. You know Christmas dinner wally on the other side out of my family. I do have a gen niece who is gender fluid They went from Going by their first name to go and buy their second name. I do believe that they now use. I'm using day in the singular just for us and listeners at home but also because I'm unsure what their gender pronouns now are now because they've gone from presenting as female to presenting thing as male and changing their appearance in coordination. For that that I end unfortunately for the vast majority of family they refuse to to follow what mine niece wants to to be done and really I think the most simple way to engage age in this sort of conversation is how would you like to be referred to and then stick with that. It doesn't matter if you understand or or not but the best way to approach that situation is just say what would you like and stick with it because it doesn't cost you anything to to call a someone who appears very feminine. He or him vice versa and we can imagine how hard that transition is for. Are the generations that came before that we were very you're in a box with gender your NPR box which never even occurred Z.. This the thing is it. It just never occurred to me. That was a choice. I mean I just I will say that's also a Western culture saying there are other ills around the world that a Had I think Several native American tribes had out a western attitude toward gender than some others that really puts into a binary system. When I did learn is that it's not good to say that's the dumbest thing I ever heard I find? I don't recommend that. No the apparently notch. So what would we with. I like to tell me more about what else might okay. Here's the thing so so they say something. That just shocks my little geriatric socks and and I have been told. I'm not even kidding. I have been told that if I ever thing I ever heard. They don't have to be invited back anywhere. I believe that I understand flick is sometimes I think communication then we tend to actually want to hold onto the communication baton and what I mean by that is we want to do the talking. Like in the moments of where we don't understand or we we've run across something that's confusing the coolest thing to do in communication as hand at the time back to the other person and say tell me more about that frame of reference. Tell me where you're coming from a healthy understand because this isn't my life experience and not from a packaging of disrespect for a place of inquiry and the truth is I actually want to inquire my traditionalists about their experience during the Great Depression and how that frame them as human beings. I WanNa know from the boomers that experience was to literally have the power breaking down laws that used to define this entry and for Gen xers. I really want to invite them to talk. Because we tend had to be much more quiet and distant and we only have a certain bucket. If things were willing to say. Can you get them to share something more. That would be outside the safe. Bucket of things is it from Millennials I am dying to know how your brain processes so fast and where that comes from and how it contributes to your life experience so willing to it gets excited. That's what I mean for my generation. I have no experience with out of the box thinking with identity either and I just tend to come from a place of inquiry. I have a friend of a friend who's in that process and we all got together and I was asking all kinds of questions and you should have seen their mother. Their mother was sort the freaking out that I was asking a bunch of questions and it was the most beautiful animated conversation you could see and my friend pulled me aside later and she was crying and she said I didn't know any of that and it was even cooler that you were able to find it and it was a beautiful conversation. I said all I did was ask because I don't know but I you could tell energetically that was eilly interested on that same line of thinking then As opposed to passing the baton and being willing to listen and let other people talk to explain. Being one of the best things you can do. When it comes to in a journal intergenerational communication out assume then the opposite of that holding the baton and really digging your heels in doubling down is GonNa be worse things you can deal when communication across generations you know and I just had an insight site when when you said that because I think why we did? No question I think when you get older and we're still used to getting to talk talk for a while. So that's fine but but I think we're afraid to let go because if we lose it and we don't understand I really don't understand but I'm afraid that if I let go then I will never understand. So maybe that's really it's really good insight that you've got to take the leap of faith and let go no matter how hard it's going to uh-huh and Antonio also that even as they explained you might not have a life frame of reference that gets you all the way to one hundred percent comprehension but in the space ace of inquiry that you've created that middle space that we talk about with your sons as that middle space where we can at least have an exchange. I mean imagine that we had every Conversation where everybody got one hundred percent of what everybody was saying. It really isn't about one hundred percent comprehension. It's about creating a space where we can communicate and maybe not understand everything thing but it's a safe space to at least half the dialogue going back and forth this. Oh Yeah I think that's very helpful. I really do so. The first thing is sweet. Let's just quickly recap because win over at a time again so so we. The first thing was to respect which may just mean listening listening. We don't really know value to all these other people were pretty sure. We're not gonNA like them at all anyway but at least we might listen. And then instead of saying that Saddam was heard one might say. Tell me more about it because you may hear something Denver in a little while metrics there are I will. I will say there are a lot of things My siblings and my nieces and nephews that I find completely and utterly One hundred percent do not agree with them but just making that just saying that is that. Just don't lose any you know. That doesn't mean you have to like get it just means you know you just have to accept the bass how they think. And there's there just is not gonna be any convincing of them or of anyone of any generation. They're bad or that they're thinking is wrong so why even even invites that by so maybe the languages I respect your perception of how you view the world. I respect the. That is the way you're seeing things right now and let it be. You don't have to agree with the middle spaces in about that also. I'm convinced that I've dropped all the things that I believe in the middle space is about okay that I can see that. That's the way you see it and that's cool that you see it that way. I think it's great that you see the world that way I know for sure. I can't stand in your shoes because is I haven't walked back way but I can appreciate that. You've been on a ridiculously long beautiful. On hard journey and that space we have really much prettier conversations instead of going to Christmas already being like. Oh no I'm going to dislike Christmas. I'm GonNa hate seeing that person and now it's GonNa be over an hour and already putting the time on it is to say you know I actually have because I think Christmas is about giving. Can I this Christmas. Come from a place of giving of my open. Mind giving up some flexibility that human beings are human and they've all had their own individual pathway to get there and I probably not going to understand or agree with all opposed but I can come from a place of giving of my open south. That is wonderful. Lisa does presentations on this subject to all around the world. And she wouldn't mind coming to your place either so you can find her at least at Boso the so impact dot com or two. Oh six seven one four nine one three one. This has been a lot of fun. Thank you to Ray. Can we find you you can find me at are ars still at career. 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Generation Gap Ray Still and Dorothy Wilhelm compare the Spanish Flu of 1918 with Corona Virus.
"Hello welcome it's time to join DOROTHY WILHELM. Who had his very minute is swimming upstream. Because it isn't crowded there. This new show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going. Dorothy gets crappy. If You keep waiting this is Dr Wilhelm and I started swimming upstream but today I'm stopping because this is generation gap. This is our night episode and Hope you're enjoying it. As much as we are in generation gap we talk about the differences between the way generations. Understand each other and how we might possibly get along better. Although don't count on it now my generation I am by Dorothy Wilhelm. I am eighty six years old and I believe it or not and part of the silent generation. My Co host Ray Miller still editor of the Income Clark Currier Herald is twenty eight years old and part of the. I never can account for you ray. What generation you part of I am Straighten. True millennial millennials see. I just tried to discount that as much as possible so we. This is a great thing for listeners. We don't look at anything the same way we practically don't agree on breakfast cereal by the way. What is your favorite breakfast cereal? I don't eat breakfast cereal either. You though it's lucky charms straight up. It's got to be lucky charms. Well I like all brand will. Nobody likes all brand between you get to be my age. That issue cereal. Wow you are. Part of the silent generation northeast. Well well in some ways and I only just just be far. I always think we should probably explain since I clearly not silent why it was the silent generation and it was because we are the ones believe it or not. Follow the rules. We followed the rules through world. War Two got into the habit and continue to do so A lot of us live here in Washington state as it turns out raid you. Try to explain your generation. I don't know where to even start with that. One of the Post. A lot of our a lot of our generation is defined by a lot of the economic activity of the folks that came before us You know us being relegated to continue renting apartments and art living with our parents in order to just ends meet rather than be able to being able to go out and buy their own home and start their own families despite the fact that we can find jobs. Our wages haven't really caught up. Expensive things are too crazy and we don't know what we're doing you know. It makes me an easy that everybody lives at home. I don't know why they're not living with me. We changed the locks amended. The kids left Which I think has a lot to do with the whole thing but she no. I don't think any of US especially in generation or the next one expected that kids would be staying home you know would be would be having such a hard time finding work so we kind of thought for this episode of generation gap. What we would look at is he put he wanted to think how things have changed and how they remain the same that as we broadcast the corona virus is going on and you feel like this is sure never happened before in even in my lifetime but in one thousand nine hundred eighteen. The Spanish flu is very much the same when you chat yes It's won't in in my research I gotta say very similar but at this point in time with the exception of a of a few Few markers the Spanish flu was way way worse. So we're we're seeing echoes of that. In my opinion and that we should prepare for a lot of the same fallouts but I think for the majority of it. The Spanish flu was Far beyond more negative to the world than covered nineteen has been so far. Well let me stop you there for a minute Yes Leon give you. You're the numbers guy gives a little numbers. Why do you say that? Why was it so much worse? Well let's see here When the Spanish flu came around really for the second time there as far as I know there were two ways one way that was bad and one way of that was really. It actually is Killed fifty million people really almost three percent of the world's population. We're not even close to that yet right now we've only really Seventy thousand baby eighty thousand a lot of that in the United States but But you see this is exactly it. The second wave see this is the thing that is virtually inevitable and that so far. Nobody is talking about the. Nobody's saying this one is better. All we're saying is. This is the first way that we're going through. I think I think it's unfortunate that we have to look at that as a person coming from the old times My Mom and dad used to tell me about the Spanish flu and I always remembered. I said so often. About the fact that funeral homes ran out in space and people had to put their dearly departed loved ones in the. Living Room Window for folks to come by what we're seeing very similar things now but still just the first wave and I don't see myself that we are planning for that second wave which seems virtually inevitable to me. What do you think I am reading more and more about It coming back Specifically coming back at the start of the next flu season it was really weird when it came around the first time coming on the tail end of the last flu season so some people were having to flu. Some people would not have in the flu and speaking of which the flu is nothing new that either kill people worldwide. Yeah Okay we can run with that joke But When we if they coincides with the next season it's really really gonNA get bad and it does seem to me now. I'm only relegated to my own little corner of the world down here in England clout where we have our own very unique cove in nineteen situation but it sure feels like right now. The country's energy has kind of dissipated these first couple of weeks there was prepare. Prepare prepare. Here's how you can make homemade masks here and how you can show you support the healthcare workers. Here's how you can do this. And that and something else to to help and right now it seems like we've we've ran out of that high energy and we really should not be running out of that because this is the time when we're starting to recover that we need to wake up for the next For the next way and I don't. I'm not feeling that I think you're exactly right. I think we've had the idea that Guinot okay we'll do this and we're and we're roll. Followers will do this and then it will be over and local back to To normal but that isn't going to happen I think however however Bill Gates himself. Had A little ray of hope and he said what generation would you say? He's the same age as my kids. Sixty five I guess he's Buor he's a he's a boomer or he might be gen-x cost the baby. I duNNo. Well he could be anyway. He was saying we're talking about see the thing. That's the game changer. It would save us from having the same event as nineteen. Eighteen would be backsied I am remembering the polio vaccine. You know when I was a little girl. You couldn't go out theaters. Were not open in the summer. Ever this we're talking about about twenty years You couldn't have party. She could do anything in the summer. Because polio was so terrible and then the vaccine came and so he said that we are seeing. They're making much more rapid Progress on the vaccine then he seen in With other things so there is hope he wasn't saying you know that it's GonNa definitely happen but there is hope I wanna I wanna I wanNA touch on something. You just said About like summer closures. That is news to me. Are you saying that. Whole bunches of the economy and Various communities just had to shut down because polio was so bad during the summertime. Yes however when I am not saying it would not not the way we are doing it now but yes theater shutdown of any place. The big thing of polio. That was different than corona virus was the polio. Did ATTACK THE Not Very much adult some but not much so it was possible for businesses to keep going. It was very cruel that it attacked the young. But it didn't mean that businesses in general could keep going but any place that young people gathered in the summer were closed. Like for instance Swimming pools definitely swimming pool. Swimming pools as I said theaters park's birthday parties and yeah that was and then the vaccine came and now nobody even remembers and so I hope with all my heart that we'll find ourselves in the same place that fascinating that sort of an end that so that sort seasonal social distance thing that went on for twenty years. Well I said twenty years I that was my guest in my memory in what going by it might have been less. It might have been more like ten Because I it must have been around through World War Two but we were totally unaware of it where it got really bad right after the war it did go on certainly for at least ten years ago. Vaccines didn't come until my younger two children were born so at least ten years and and I do think that the major reason that we don't hear about it in the same way we're hearing about this is that it's the exact opposite in terms of who had attacks that while I was terrible and tragic than it was children yet. The children didn't make a dent in the economy. Little kids are in the hospital in iron lungs. You know but the businesses could still go on well in this case. It's adults mostly. Well okay so go ahead when you're when so. I think that's interesting. I knew a lot about polio. As a disease but rats much less about the social impacts The fact that it does seem that even though the economy has slowed down. Because it's people my age up to your age that are affected the most? Does it feel to you like because it does it feel to you like people are taking this last seriously because it's attacking? Us adults than it was when police attacking kit. That's an interesting question which virtually can't answer in subways again here in Washington state. I feel like we're taking it very seriously although I have the same concern that you do that that that there is a feeling that will come to the end of the of the road about in. May and everything uncle back to normal. I think they're taking it seriously right now but I think that we are seeing everywhere of kind of a okay. We did this now. It's over. Let's do something else. So that of an attitude and I think I think that's going to be catastrophic. I go ahead go ahead. Well we can't you know you can tell we can't see each other. Yeah we're we're on the phone we're we are doing our appropriate social we and on that and all that On that note it is hard for me to imagine. Some of the US Some of these yahoo saying it's okay for older folks to go out because we have to restart the economy. I really can't see these folks do saying anything like that. If if cove in nineteen targeted kids that are the post to our adults like not a chance. Well you know the funny thing is people seem to have extrapolated. They take the numbers you know. They're the these many people like what is it one in it you can say. Three percent sounds small but says three hundred. That's a lot but anyway Dr I went. I actually was allowed out of the house briefly. I was not ill I what that clearly understood. But at my age you can't let things hanging around so to speak. So and he said that very thing he said well we just have to get things back started and after all. It's only you know the the Taliban rate is only three hundred or whatever it is and I said well you know you wanNA think about who it is. I mean I can get along without you but my kids now if I get to choose well I'm GonNa pick them so we can't choose. We can't decide who is valuable. And who isn't that so we've got to assume that we're all valuable and some way. I do like the idea that we're getting through this together. That appeals to me. But I don't know not. Joanne just reminded me. That's our producer for those who are no just reminded me before the show that our mission plan with these shows is just tell some people something that they can use within the next forty eight hours. Well that is weighing heavy on me you go it something we can do in the next like in us. Well I don't got it's gotta be with the virus because that's what we're talking about but I'm what and we're talking about. Were people really taking it seriously. I'm thinking that things that perhaps they could use would be well. What have you found in your area for surrounding him Claude? That people are actually doing. That are clever innovative or comforting or scary. I can name a lot of things I mean. All of my my last. You know five or six issues have all about how people are pulling full one eighties in a row to In order to make space for doing something against this virus we have a local distillery that is fulfilling orders for denatured alcohol and hand sanitizer for the Department of Agriculture. We've got A local health store that is attempting to find different ways to Make sanitizer to provide it free people. We've got a nurses out here that are working so so hard To make sure that everybody in the Rehab Center in the local hospital stay safe and a lot of people are supporting them by sewing. Math masks together Donating food donating sports drinks to keep them hydrated throughout their. I'm sure ridiculous hours that they have to work. Everybody down here really seems to be doing something I know that the city of Unum clydes South donated extra twenty thousand dollars in emergency and Emergency Bill Payments to local nonprofit. They basically help them case. Manage some folks when it comes to bill payments and that nonprofit itself has lowered some of its restrictions So more people can come and get some help for any sort of build a need. Pse Heath Electricity whatever it really seems that our entire community down here. The vast majority of us are. I have done a a a huge left. Turn in order to make sure everybody stays safe and healthy and supported and that is really good very encouraging to hear and yet. I'm wondering because you mentioned that you were seeing or Understood that you felt like people were kind of not taking too seriously as they needed to be it surely sounds like some people are taking it seriously so I I guess. My two answers have contradicted themselves. I don't want to say is we're we're really. There's a lot of support happening right now for what's happening right now. I don't feel like there's a lot being planned for in the future and that's not very far in the future that we're talking about we're talking just you know late summer early fall months where not even a year ahead so a lot of support is going into the now. It doesn't feel like there's a lot of support going into the coming up so it's kind of a as because this hasn't happened before in this way and we really don't know what to do and it is a left turn you know. We're now having to go in the direction we never imagined. Having to go in now I have seen some very interesting things of the families are doing to keep families together. You know I have a friend who has a little four year old granddaughter and of course it was her birthday. They couldn't have a birthday party. Could only imagine and so all of the grandparents of the great grandparents of the uncles and the aunts meant on the hill above their house decorated their cars and drove past her house in a parade. Maybe a couple of times kind of fun and through candy at actually. She thought that was pretty good. I've heard similar circumstances there. I think Down here in black diamonds. I think there was a small parade of first responders police officers and so on and the horns to entertain a couple of small children on. My wife's birthday is coming up and we're working hard to figure out How to celebrate her birthday? Because it's a it's a big one for her so underutilized special together. Do you think you might do? Can you tell I'm afraid? I can't just in the other room right now nine. Well let's let's think about this then now we did. That was good because we did get some useful ideas. I'll tell you the truth. Just between you and maces have a nosers. Nobody else listening now. I don't believe that as a matter of fact but I haven't finding being alone all the time very very difficult I don't As you know I've never been a lonely person but I am alone in the house. Twenty four hours a day of a Nice House and I'm one of those lucky people who could work from home and nevertheless is very hard. I wonder what we can tell folks about that or have you any ideas that you heard of anything really Getting onto zoom using facebook live seeing someone else. Face to face is One of the best ways to stay in touch My friends and I are definitely doing that We started these things called net flicks parties. I guess it's a website or an APP where basically you can all be watching the show the same movie and it syncs up so you're watching it at the same time and there's a little chat bar so you don't see each other but you're talking typing back and forth about the movie watching at the same time trial of that. Can you give me the? Give me the website or whatever on that. That's that's we can put it on our website and this is a good time to mention that we have a website for our show is called. It's my generation gap dot com and on that website. We have been there lately. We have a my daughter the ventriloquist singing with her two puppets together wherever we go the theme song of this Corona Virus Time and we have directions for some of the crafts in ideas that we've given on the show in in the newspaper call so if you if I had your newspaper columns which I suppose I could go and find that I could put them on our website. You absolutely one thing we've been saying to is an. I'm really really looking for alternatives to net Flix because Netflix anybody would be to of because is learning how to use it because as speaker in an entertainer were using zoom in but I also using it to get my kids together over eastern. That was really fun yet. Might Number Three Center. Maybe number two son who can tell we were sitting out on his deck in the harbor. Other you know on the in the zoom thing. He was on the deck. So you can practically feel did everything and it was wonderful but Too many organizations now are closing down the use of Zoom. And so we're GONNA have to find some other ideas for instance and you may as a newspaper man no water. No at that. The Department of Defense has forbidden military people for music. So Yeah I've heard of similar things everything from something as dangerous as You know listeners from another country to something as innocuous as zoom bombers. Oh yeah there's that and that's why but but see I guess as a military person. Dod Is an is a sinus clearer. Because if they if they close it down. That doesn't mean just department of Defense Computers also means their home computers. 'cause Remember Hillary. You can't use them either so I just think that's now that's interesting information. Perhaps now say that at the same time even though if they're gonNA close down zoom. I would bet dollars to donuts that. They're going to pick up Microsoft teams. I wouldn't be surprised I've got a whole list on my computer from my speakers group the different platforms available. So maybe we can find something now. I promised everybody that in our last few minutes which unbelievably this is You're gonNa tell me five things that comfort you or get you through these difficult times. Well first of all. I'm eating very well extremely well. You Know Grocery Stores. Luckily enough you know when everything went All the soups win the toilet. Paper went Everything fresh was still there so we were able to Regular shopping and regular meals and even Kick them up a couple of notches. We're going to be having homemade Thai basil tonight's Caverns could be making a buttermilk chicken recipe. That's going to be excellent. So we're you know. That's what helped her out the most for me the food for her but cook it. Oh It's been excellent. Were baking too. Baking is good. You know I was very surprised that when I went and shopped that all the flour and all the sugar all gone down maybe a loop so anyway. Okay move ill. Staying active is a big one for me. It used to be you know I'd sit down on my desk right for an hour. Get up and walk around for ten fifteen minutes and repeats. I really can't do that now. I shouldn't be so often So I I bought a punching bag awhile ago and I've started getting back into that doing some doing some my own kickboxing in my garage. That has been wonderful to have you know. I've got my pets as well. Just spending extra time with my animals my rabbit. My dog has been a blessing when we do feel like. It's okay for us to go outside and there's no one else around us we go and play. Fetch a little bit more than usual So again that thing active but also you know staying active with a with a purpose has been. That's really yeah okay. One more on Honestly my work I am. I am blessed to be able to continue to work and I poured myself into this Just to make sure that Able to continue providing for my community if I one of those unlucky enough to have been furloughed or straight up laid off like a lot of my co workers were I would be. I don't think anything else that I'd be doing. Not The food not the working out. Not the animals would have helped me as much as just being able to put my head down and basically pretend that there's a semblance of normalcy in my life and just continue to work. I think the fact that I can think myself. That is the biggest saver for me. Well you know I agree. 'cause that's what I'm doing is I work. I'm starting a new book. I'm doing my column like you. You know and we're lucky. We're the lucky ones. So and speaking of that my dear friend. This has been generation gap with Ray Miller. Still still there and working on the birthday party for his beloved wife. That's very nice that I approve of that. And you can find at my generation gap dot com with ideas and Column Pages from the clock or your Herald craft directions and everything so we can stay together and until next time. This is Dorothy Wilhelm if you want all of the columns Goto it's never too late dot com or SOB radio network DOT COM SOB stands for spunky old broads. All of the hosts are women over fifty and we are adorable until next time. Then this is dorothy right for now. We'll get through this together. Thanks for listening to swimming upstream. Dorsey Wilhelm we'll be back next week with more great guests. Great ideas no telling what she'll do next be prepared if you just can't wait contact or DNR swimming upstream facebook page paper on the web at www. It's never too late. Dot Com is the irrepressible sad longoria.
Robbie Samuels How To Raise Anti-Racist Children
"Hello, welcome. It's time to join Dorothy Wilhelm who had his very minute is swimming upstream because it isn't crowded there. This new show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going. Dorothy gets crappy if you keep waiting. This is Dr Hy. Wilhelm welcomes you swimming upstream once again, you'd think I'd learn but I never do here I go and today I'm heading right for an addition of generation gap this one I'm excited about and to tell you the truth I'm a little bit worried because we're GonNa talk today about something really important how to raise anti racist children. I feel really out of the loop because even my great grandkids are in their late teens. But let me tell you what we're doing here. Generation gap is to help us understand the different generations better and thus use our gifts better. So let's start with me. I'm Dorothy Wilhelm, white eighty, six years old military wife widow mother I remember Pearl Harbor. I have been a writer broadcaster for point, eight years. I am six children. I am a member of the silent generation. Believe it or not welcome to generation gap. Now, meet my co host Ray Miller. Still Ray is a millennial. Millennial. Siam millennial. Yes. Twenty eight years old. Do numbers when I have six kids if I can do numbers would. Introduce yourself please all in that fashion I am a whites sess bisexual redhead. And that's about as far as I got that's funny and now let us introduce the star of the show today. Robbie Samuels is an extremely. Watched our last week show. You know how extremely successful he was because I have no chance of telling you today. He can tell you a little more later but we especially asked Robbie to be here today because he is the man in the driver's seat he and his family are the ones that are growing up together today Robbie introduce yourself. Hi, everybody starts to be back. Thank you so much Dorothy and Ray. So I am a dad that is something that's rather new I've two kids that are two and. A half and four and a half But even before that, my my identity was getting lots of hyphen. So I'm a white transgender Queer Feminist Dodd I'm urban. I've lived in cities for my life I grew up in suburbia though so I, have a different mindset there I'm also a Gen-x I am turning forty six and I think generally my outlook on life is about justice and wanting to do right in the world. So the fact that they were having this conversation feels really well to our family. I think. It's really relevant to all of our families whether we realize it or not Ray as the as the next person in line or the F- before age wise. Because you you haven't done any of this yet what what do you think looking ahead I'm pushing him you can't see it than I. Am. Can you rephrase the question Dorothy I. Don't think. So are you thinking about raising kids in a certain way or fashion or yeah when you hear about earlier, you right now They raise the the editor of the fighting him clock career Harold Harold as a newspaper man when you read every day, what do you think or do you ever think oh? Gosh I. Hope I don't have to deal with that or do you think good this is coming and I'll be part of it. I think I much I. Think I leaned far more towards the latter than the former on that one I tend to be very excited when I'm presented with a challenge especially with the idea of raising children even though it scares the crap out of me I think that I am becoming prepared to be able to. Take What my children throw at me either on purpose or because of the world that they're growing up in and be able to examine it and give it back to them in a way that they can. Examine and think about and help them grow their own personality and thoughts. And that's that's a great. A great place to start from since you're starting looking looking back. I think you know we in the military we tried really hard to be and we said non-racist rob you say anti-racists, what's the difference? So this is interesting because I think that the death of George Floyd really brought this to light and you know. Merely saying that you're not I'm not a racist doesn't solve the problem and one of the examples I read online is that if someone is being jumped, they're being attacked and you're like, well, Hey, I I didn't jump them but you're still the bystander who is not doing anything about it an anti-racist in this example would be the person who like. Jump into big? Hey, guys stop it. Stop it, break it up. You would take action. So being an anti-racist action, the other way I would describe this that I learned years ago is that racism is a moving sidewalk like you'd see in a in an airport. And it's just constantly flowing. So you're Kinda be swept along you're walking along. Let's say you decide to stop walking will stopping walking doesn't stop you know isn't stopping you from still being swept along turn around. It still doesn't change. You have to actively walk against the tide of it to be making action the difference between me as a white person and a black person is that I get to relax now and again because it's exhausting the walk against the tide and when I pause that pause is privilege that a black person doesn't really have a lot of opportunities. To pause because if the rarely in a place where it's safe for them to do that and society wise like there's just such institutional racism, it's just they're all the time so that moving sidewalk analogy was a huge sort of I opener for me. But what I've gains and just another sort of antidote about this. My Dad is a was in the army. He went to maybe like a couple months of college. After that. You know he didn't have a lot of schooling he went to the army and when he got out the GI bill allowed him to move from the city he grew up actually in the housing projects in Brooklyn and he moved to suburbia on Long Island's, which is where I grew up and I grew up in a nice zip code with access to a good school and with the expectations that I was not just going to college but I was GonNa get an advanced degree and I did get a masters. So in one generation, the generational. Wealth possibilities grew tremendously from my my grandmother who was struggling as a single mother of two little kids in the housing projects in Brooklyn to me. Now raising my children able to afford things and imagine their their future in a very different light. The Gi bill was not available to to people of Color. So if you're if you're not white, you didn't have access to it and that allowed that the whole everyone leaving the city, you know the White Flight Happen and the Gi bill really eight in that. So that's an example of a policy that unless I really stop back and think about it just seems like. You know. We're lucky were more fortunate. We worked harder not actually no, that's actually true. You know that the food truth is there was a policy that led to this outcome and I think that for me has been a lot of education and learning, and then we'll now when I know that was my responsibility and honestly that's where parenting has been one of the answers like parenting, my children to be more aware. Well once. I'd. Kind of go by the elephants that standing here for me, he may not be in your office, but he's in mine as being transgender parent. How is that made a difference or has it made a difference? Well I think that being challenged gender probably just makes me a little more aware of the fact that a lot of these labels that we use. are just that they're labels like I have I have experienced life being labeled a woman I've experienced life being labeled a man. I've experienced life where people mistook what I racial ethnic background was because I've been perceived as as Latino on many occasions ops the point where I started feeling like I lost my mother's tongue, my native tongue when the. Mother does not speak Spanish where I wind my Spanish be stronger because of that my age gets mis read all the time. These are all labels right I get that, and so I now want my children, knots relies. So heavily on those stereotypes I want them to look at people and not see little serotype end of the conversation, but perhaps the way to start one to look pass. Those labels and continue. So for me, it's been about sort of an awareness of the world's that I bring into the conversation and I would say also Dorothy that my coming of age in my twenties happened in the context of the LGBT community, which at that time didn't actually have T-, firmly in its place and I was there while that was being added grappled with and I sort of develop this. Ability which the word Queer got I. Know it it. It was out of fashion. Not being used nicely, and now it's been reclaimed and it's used for Queer Studies, Queer theory, and so identify as queer. My wife identifies as Queer We are raising a family pride in our house is a big deal this year we couldn't do PRI- the where we normally would because of the pandemic and we still took a bike ride around town with the Kids Waving Rainbow Flags and shouting happy pride to all the strangers we could see. It was awesome. So it's just Yeah I think it serve a certain way of a growing up and coming of age and I guess really is that I had in my twenties thought that white men were the problem and suddenly in my late twenties into my thirties I was going to be one of them. Like not a good thing. For. A lot of privilege here, and so with privilege comes responsibility as been long said, bye. Bye Spiderman. So that is kind of how I approach it I became a better human being in that process because I was a woman that took up a lot of space and a lot of time and I didn't work hard at correct for that and now I know wants to be that kind of guy because then it'd be that guy, I don't WanNa be that guy so that's how. Apparent. One strikes me about you because initially I had no idea. It doesn't come up right away that you know you you were transgender is that you seem very comfortable with who you are and I think that must be I know as a parent myself, it makes a big difference when you go to raise a child that you'd be able to say, yes this who who I am this is who mommy is. You know. Isn't it grand that we're all the way we are and I see that you you do have that comfort I. Think we didn't always have the comfort in being who we were as parents because the world was changing not as fast as it is today but it was. It's your turn Ray. Anything in you look be mused are. I'm not I I actually don't know what amused in this context that just goes to show on the crack open dictionary no mostly I'm just very interested in in this idea that you that I will need to teach my kids that. Even. Though their experience is going to be real and lived that it's not. Their experiences not normal because no one else is going to have this experience and it sounds like to me as kind of what you're doing. Robbie is you're you're trying to teach your kids that that they are able to have their own identity and and their own characteristics and their own experiences but. Not to place the assumptions they have about their life onto other people. Am I right on that that is such a good way of describing it It really is because I have children and you know at this moment there two boys and I say that because my oldest has has speed been declaring it. He's a boy for the last two years and the two and. A half year old has never said Boo and I don't know when he will usually by age five you'll love pretty strong gender identity but we call them kids Kiddos. That's our default I. Don't call talk about my sons. I. Always think it's so funny when people say I have two kids and I say their ages and then everyone wants to know their gender. And then they make things like, Oh, you're so lucky as if I were to say to girls, they wouldn't say that which is always odd. We don't subscribe to the There's like a mama boys there's a, there's a boy mom culture. which I only discovered later that my wife was like Oh, you know. We don't subscribe to that. You know our kids our kids are too with their into support them as best you can and yes there their lived experiences valid and I want to be proud of who they are. And that includes if they grow up to be white straight men I, wanted to be proud of what they are but I don't want them to you think that their point of view is the only point of view and that's actually that would be amazing for them to have a world view that is more inclusive and that starts now I mean that's what their caretakers this sitters we've had the teachers they've had the friendships that we have that we bring into our life. It's it's about them the books they read the. Audit. Bookshelf they don't need books talking about little white boys. They're GONNA get lots of messages about that in your in that respect tell about your wife's library I thought that was the most wonderful thing. So we're always trying to find ways to be more actively doing something and you know we're not at a point in life where we're gonNA, go to protests it doesn't fit within Europe little kids and a pandemic and glad some folks are making that happen I really am they make it doesn't make a difference my wife teaches. Is a student success manager at a coding bootcamp and they have to do projects students, and so she had this idea of creating a website where parents and kids could go to learn about kids, books, children's books around topics of things like protests, black lives matter race Privilege Right LGBTQ. So she realized that she was doing her on research that a lot of these books are are being read on Youtube sometimes by even the author, which is really cool and that's a good way to get a sense of the book before you buy. So she asked the team if be interesting take on this project and the it's still in developments in Beta right now, and essentially as a parent, you could have your kids sit down and look it always titles eight, steal the pictures and they can click and watch the youtube, and if they want to buy the book, there's a list of black and minority LGBT owned bookstores to buy from so that they can be supporting those kinds of. Businesses. That really do need. That's wreck support right now and I, it is a brilliant idea. It's it's a way to solve. The problem is a gap between parents like us who want to do better who don't always know what books to get and we don't have the quality of it before you buy it and so yeah now you can get a little glimpse into it was by going on Youtube and that's the project she's been working on. So we hope to hear more about that. You keep us posted on it, and as we find out things that will be at my generation gap dot com but ray, we kind of came out from the other angle. We've also been putting together a collection of books for anti-racist. Parents, tell them. Well. For those listeners who might just be joining in my dad recently had his birthday and he called me one day and said I need I have some gift for you. As it turned out, we are had already thought of the same gift idea. He was giving me and it was to buy a collection of books how to be an anti racist, white fragility and so. You want to talk about race and the idea is that once we are feeling comfortable enough to get back together that we start reading this book, these books as a family, and then coming back to each other around the dinner table and having a discussion about them and how we feel and how this is changing our perspectives for our personal lives and how we view the world as well. So Here's the thing I love about this You don't have to wait you guys can do that and get on zoom or skype or an air facebook. Video and go ahead and have those conversations. They don't need to wait and my wife's project. By the way, it's a book to this dot Com. So be sorry kid kids kid books of this as a kid booked K. I. D. B. O. K. I. T.. I. B.. T.. Book To. Look Laura got to do it again. Kid Kid kid book divest. Keep going kid. Kid, Lloyd book, and then T I v I s.. T. To this. Outcome kid book to this. And again, that'll be at my generation gap dot com and you know what? They don't do it on zoom is people from his his parents at the age of my kids. It's a really funny feeling to be here and see all the world go by. When when my kids where I come in on this, we were in the army and we were stationed. I think in Aberdeen Maryland at teaching trying to teach our kids to be at at that time you wanted your children to believe that we were all equal. I'll tell you the truth I didn't know about history. I've only recently found out what all went on because we weren't taught. So we wanted our children to love everybody equally, and when my son had his sixth birthday party, he did he invited his he was allowed one friend to come for the day and he invited his best friend Charlie and Charlie came and he was a lovely little boy. And he was black and we were so thrilled that because that's the way it wasn't that day to think that he hadn't thought that was worth mentioning that didn't matter about Charlie and I didn't understand either what all else had gone into but they did say friends and the boy grew up to be sort that later on Sheridan kidney with a friend. So it all worked out. But. Now what we do differently but one thing I noticed right away just now you and I have not known each other long. We're talking these people aren't listening anymore. You know I know that got up to get more coffee five minutes ago and we'll be lucky if they come back well anyway. See I think communication. This is the thing in this is just what we're trying to do because at first the very idea of a person who was transsexual transgender mate by heart hurt it literally. I would I didn't even know what to say but I really like Robbie. And the more the more we talk the more we understand each other, but it's gotta get better doesn't it? She said of course ladyboys. I'll say that You know when I was in in college I helped run a So lgbt one on one training to help the college students learn. But so a decade plus later when I started speaking again, I don't speak on anything related topic I don't do I. Don't do my coming out story I don't teach lgbt one or one none of that stuff and whenever they're asked, I've always say are let me find you somebody who'd be really great at that. But. I am out about who I am as I do the work that I do in the world. and. That's for me is my work that is my contribution to the work and I think that's what we all need to be doing and you know so for Ray, it's like it's speaking of about being an ally about is about like not letting little microaggressions go by where someone says something that's like you know. Most people like don't WanNa keep calling out you can't call it microaggressions that happened to you all the time or else you became that knowing person that's always sensitive so like you saying So by the way, here's the thing. The word Ouch is incredibly effective as the more privileged person in the room. So when someone says something like that, it's a little like, I don't think that was appropriate. That was the wrong word or something is go ooh Ouch which just just acknowledges it. You know and it doesn't call direct attention send me doesn't put anyone a spot I'm not calling a racist assist like ouch at if someone is like Oh, tell me more than I can. Oh well okay. We don't that word doesn't seem like to probably get the meeting you're hoping for like here's another way you could do that or whatever it is. But I just want to make sure that we're actually all doing this all the time and that we're not just saying, well, when you go to a session on whatever the training is, you will learn I think we have to learn in life, and so the fact that Dorothy. Now, we're getting to be friends I I'm very open about who I am but I didn't presume that she knew I have it all but my website I talked about on my social media had actually seen that my family is celebrating pride. So. Don't think took her completely by surprise but she didn't know that that was going to be the answer you know. What I thought because there's a picture, a wonderful family with the Rainbow Banners and my thought was Oh. Isn't that Nice? They're supporting their friends. So which was true. You know that. We can see we can go on like this forever, but we're not gonNA get to because we're down to four minutes. So I'll be back to you because you know how it is. You do the big wind up with with the guest. So thinking of your your inspiration last words. Okay. Race say something you. Kind of remember where we want to get in touch with us about their ideas for anti-racist books and we have a chance to win our. Our brief anti-racist. Collect are a little book collection Yeah Yeah Just we want of our listeners who have an experience that they had a learning about something that they did. That they realized later on might have been was racist and that they've learned from that or maybe it was a close family member that they watched go through that process right I send about those stories about those experiences we would love to read through them maybe even share a couple of them and pick one or two where we can say you know congratulations. just in case you don't have these books already. Here's a small collection. That Woodley Fun and that will be if you have an email to send us that's. Feel, bad about this you said. Dorothy at my generation gap dot com, and you can find me information about all of this by generation gap dot, com and Robbie. We've men she get down to a minute and a half so fast. Well, I wanted to share it for additional resources. I've written if several blog posts for a website called City DADS group Dot Com city DADS group Dot com as a national network of Dad's groups all around the US over forty of them and the articles in particular I want to draw your. Attention to is called raising children to appreciate diverse world takes parental guidance that is one directly on this topic. Another one is like father like son even when a sperm donor is involved in other when I wrote and t q pride through raising strong resilient. Queer Spahn is another one. So the several of them on their you can search my name in, but you'll also find some excellent blog posts on this topics from dads that are active in the engaged in raising their children. Thank you so much for obvious been like to have you here Rob Samuels Ray Miller still and me I'm Dorothy Wilhelm and you can find us at is me you can find me at all our asked a see I can't even remember doing I'm so excited you can find out past programs said it's never too late. Dot. com, and this is the SOB radio network and that means spunky old rods and all of the hosts are women over fifty Jewish you or one we'll see next time this is Dr the by now. Thanks for listening to swimming upstream Dorothy. Wilhelm we'll be back next week with more gray casts. Great Ideas. No telling what she'll do next be prepared. If, you just can't wait contact or theodore swimming upstream facebook page were on the web at www. It's never too late, DOT com. This is the irrepressible sad. Longoria.
Justice Richard Guy - What Can We Expect From the Supreme Court
"Hello welcome it's time to join DOROTHY WILHELM. Who had his very minute is swimming upstream. Because it isn't crowded there. This new show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going. Dorothy gets crappy. If you keep waiting well welcome. This is Dorothy. Well hell still swimming upstream. Wouldn't you think I'd give up sometime but no here I go I'm going to try the backstroke soon. The recent I swim upstream so determinedly is that that's the only place I know. Of course. This isn't true. This was before corona virus. That wasn't crowded now is where the Nice and interesting people are. And it's where I can bring you to meet people. You wouldn't get to see anywhere else. Our guest today is justice. Richard Guy Retired from the Washington state. Supreme Court he was on the card for eleven years. Chief Justice for two years and in the interest of full disclosure. I should tell you that we were classmates. Justice Richard Guy and I were classmates at North Central High School in Spokane Washington class had fifty one for me. I'll check it a minute. Which one was for him but I asked him to join us today. Because current events are causing a lot of confusion. And we're GONNA depend on him to clear everything up Justice Guy Richard. Welcome your means from you. Know I I don't think I can ever everything clearing up but I can certainly talk about histories of the constitution stories from the court and case law from the Supreme Court Well let me tell you I know. Let me tell you. I remember from civics class that we have three three branches of government right there. There's so much confusion about which it. What on Earth Branch does and particularly what is the Supreme Court for Anyway? Try and clear I can do. You told me I should tell stories to tell you that I guess I wanted to start with slavery you know It it was not lou at the same wartime to the I went through this gemstone. Sixteen sixteen nineteen and ever since then the issue of equal rights and slavery politicized The United States The constitution created a president like a CEO and Congress and the judiciary it was dominated by slave states in the constitutional convention and non slave states. The constitution became the compromise between the two factions between the slave states. Monthly states. Just Richard was that the equally divided between the slave states in the non slave states are or how did that shape up. No it was not but the slave states basically protection for slavery would not have the constitution so the compromise came along and slavery What is written in the Constitution Time sort of like now we. We were divided between the federalists and it was people. Thought it should be a strong federal government and the states rights people who thought the station's control everything they control and But in the south they depriving industry was agriculture cotton and then the north is industry and still kind of the same in terms of of activities by the various states Congress was selected to represent. The people have society changes and one of the things. That's going on right now. Is You have a sense is going on. And the reason that's so important is Congress in house is decided based upon populations so if a population increases and get another Another member of Congress and the issue of of Control Congress is too many ways dependent upon the census every ten years. Well let's on stop for a minute. Let's make a little little snapshot of that of that time. The Constitutional Congress and the people What was in it for them? Why I think we've never really even understood to tell you the truth until you mentioned it. I don't think I realized the slavery slavery was written into the Constitution. You WanNa try to explain that to me Yes what is the Slavery Library was recognized and Actually there of the Constitution that dealt with the issue and they have certainly by sixteen by Lincoln. I haven't been repealed and we no longer have message that we we have a lot of race problems in our legislation as well mostly the states The judiciary started off as the three judge court and the the idea was since the president appoints the members supreme court. You'd always have woman leftover from the priority administration either conservative or liberal and being wanted to keep that balance out in ten numbers even Lincoln. There is I mean to ten members under Lincoln and not wear nine and some people want to change that but I don't think they will well I have to you a question as as we go along just to be sure I understand A and B because this is my show and so I have to keep asking you see so it looks like I am. You know yes okay. So as the justices were added to the court could see you keep bringing up these interesting little factoid idea about anyway. I frankly did not realize that there were only three. I mean how much of a Supreme Court you're going to have. What three people? My Gosh but when they added them a why why what. What excuse did they give? Or what what reason for putting more members on the court you political like it is now the president appoints and they come from his party and his particular. Ah Persuasions And that's that's certainly security now and you consider that really and this is why you said you don't think it'll ever or at least not re in any near time. It won't get smaller but now it's practically Willey isn't it? I don't think so I I was on a nine member and we had five four decisions persuasions well then trying to right. So they be unanimous where they yes. Well we see. Now that's interesting. You'd think we'd know we'll know but but I don't think I you know I'm not perhaps the brightest barral but I'm not dumb and I don't think I really understand the Supreme Court at all. I certainly know we add. Here's what I know about the Supreme Court. You all wear the same clothes. You all get really good-looking. Black Mueller chairs and it's the court as I said the court of last resort. Am I right or am I wrong? Yes you are in your own. Were the same clothes when one sounds coming in and My youngest daughter is Attire and she said why should I take advice about how drifts but man the wears dress to work so so so so we yes we do but let me it so help me understand what what we are supposed. Let's let's start with and I WANNA get back dread Scott in by the way. But ideally what should we expect from the Supreme Court for instance particularly now but even from the beginning? What should we expect? And what really? Can't we accept my view? Is you decide cases based not on philosophy of your political party base about in the long fax Politics is become pretty significant now and in many ways it was. Certainly you had Decisions that came out of the Supreme Court decided by Pro Slavery. judges One of the most important things that happened that the court was the case called number versus Madison. It's intriguing if you like stories. This one's Sir. Yes yes President John Adams before he left office appointed judge saying standard changes. They were approved by Congress and Were signed off by the President and then he left office and sin became president in Jefferson. Said I'll make my own appointments and I'll never issue the certificates of selection to each of those people news as judges and he didn't And he he basically said No. Don't do that John. Annan's Madison was a secretary of State and he ended the power issues tickets. is If you look at Madison he he would follow along with the president's wishes even though he Frank Korea understood that will not issue those that was a ministerial tasks. Wait to Marshall was the traditional Philadelphia lawyer. He was a bright man. He was exciting and he. He was the secretariat state at one. Time Under you there was a difference between Jefferson and Madison Marsh. John Marshall And it was political Think Adams would be federalist national certainly Wednesday federalist and so this case coming up in a very strange way there was an the judges who selected filed with the Supreme Court. A rid of Man Davis which means do your duty as a public official issue those those certificates of selection and then the issue was Marshall and Jefferson were not particularly friendly toward one another and Jefferson is you may remember him. Adams and Jefferson dying. He said to doctors and Adams still live long world But in the case what happens was if you selected To permit the certificate to be issued Harrison says. I'M NOT GONNA FOLLOW THAT. You don't have anybody deemed force you. I don't have a right sermon but I do so the question to some extent when you're like now if you a question and the president can do things you don't like so what occurred is medicine wrote the opinion and he basically said look Under the law these people were entitled certificates however as you look at the law that Congress passed it didn't give us as a supreme court the power specifically It gives you the power rather and he ruled that by Congress. Giving the Supreme Court the power to decide Ritz was unconstitutional. Which is the first time. The dish Sherry basically said they will determine the constitutionality of whatever congress passes or whatever the president does and that's pretty significant and so it is a man rule out of the Supreme Court not in the Constitution and we've abided by every since So that very significant ruling said precourt is the decider of issues with that that happened. D- say about eight thirty four. So this is deep seated. Then this has been with us a longtime and we still follow it today. Although obviously there are people that oppose saying that they have the power and constitute congressman. Is the violence about right now? Is there our existing line that we followed for generations of the Supreme Court decides constitutionality of whatever the presence over a congress does so when when things go to the Supreme Court? I know one thing I know that I must have seen on television or something is that there isn't an actual like the person who's bringing the suit. Isn't there right candy. They can watch the lawyers. Yeah well if you were an uninformed person like me who nevertheless here's the thing about the Supreme Court and coming to think they may be quite important to us right very interesting Four judges can decide whether you accept an application to be heard before the Supreme Court nine core to win a free. Wash five judges decide whether they would hear a nation. The Supreme Court hits doesn't hear very many issues I think. Hundred Eighty three A year and but they're significant and that's why they decided and the chief justice unlike Washington it is very important because he assigns the case to be re device syfy judge and they were oriented may be kind of interesting. All of the half have enjoyed so if you were. What should we be looking? Well I wanted to. I I wanted to make sure we have a real good grasp so For judges decide so someone wants to bring a case if that's how one would express it before the Supreme Court the four justices have the are the ones who decide whether it will be actually a decided upon Allen that kind of decision they have the majority. Okay have for homeless including now before we get too far away where in eighteen thirty four now but one of the one of the cases that you thought really shows the way. The Supreme Court works was the dreads cut. You know everybody in the whole world knows about knows. The name knows what the that there was a dread Scott case in I guarantee you. Nobody knows whether decided what did decide. What dread Scott was a black man who this way and he's owned by Dr Italy's military and you move from a slave state. The doctor did any took you slave raiding to a non slave state so doctor decided that he was gonna move back to a slave state and drenthe Scott Attorneys file a lawsuit against the ability to place a man who is in a non state back into the swing state as a flight and that case which before the The state courts and they decided that it's been Scott Lost Weight when before the Supreme Court and was written by the then chief justice whose name in Caney and he succeeded Marshall and a very different person and he was a slave and believes in so he wrote that slavery can never be a citizen of the United States and since dread Scott was not a citizen of the United States. He had no right to sleep freedom from slavery even in non state. That's pretty significant. All Change When he and a half at sixty commandments by Lincoln but That was a loss for a long time. I there anything that are before the Supreme Court now that we should be really aware of that worry. Actually I happen to know their things that were you but are there. Are there any things that we should kind of? Keep an eye on or that. Maybe you don't want to say you question whether they should be there. But I mean think of this as Hollywood for to know the Supreme Court. What should we be seeing? What should we be understanding about? What's going on today as a skate case on? Roe Versus Wade and There are antiabortion Members of the court who basically said that publicly so. I don't know what the decision is going to be not long ago Jordi leader in the Senate Said a warning the Supreme Court don't overturn Roe Versus Wade. Because you're basically GONNA get yourself into what public disorder Because he's such a hot issue And I don't have you know seconds minutes and won miss. That's another issue we could talk about but I doubt it I remember. Once I was on in Washington. Supreme Court's there was a A case they were hearing that day and there was a demonstration and all the demonstrators will at the state capital and demonstrating a certain position at that. We could not take and I looked out the window in our conference tournaments. We about to to decide the case It's it just seems wrong place over here so often. People don't understand the difference between what a legislature or Congress does and what the Supreme Court is there. One thing is we get get toward the end of our time here. What do you particularly think we should be a stay aware of or keep? Our eye on is an immediate thoughts to mind. But I'm really concerned about the disagreed. My view was regardless. It will be the only thing that is that. If you're a judge you knew a governor and that's true it's political But every day I was on the court and listened to the cases I would look at my shoulder and see when we present that was and they didn't much care about the politics of anything I cared about the facts and the law I'm I'm concerned that we are politicizing accords. To such an extreme that the public will lose trust in and sometimes you think the public has no trust in the executive and sometimes none in Congress is still have to trust. Somebody in that judiciary judiciary will be fair. You expect the decisions of a court to be based on justice and fairness and that really concerns me that we make an immediate certainly out it But we're in a position where we're trying to politicize court And all records for them. Is it pretty well out of our hands though the people we can't do much about it can we? The the president appoints members coordinated. Is You know justice. Ginsburg is wants to retire. But she's not going to let trump pointing to replace And You make appointments of younger people to the Circuit Court of Appeals which the intermediate between the Federal District Court Trial Courts and Supreme Court. And you you you can control the decisions can come out if you appointing people who will not follow precedent and and Yeah I'm concerned about those things it's always gonNA be political appointments. Always going to be pulling question is are they good? Judges are not well well. I can't say you cheered me up Justice Richard Guy. I am asking all of my guests today to tell me I want five things that are getting youth true personally these perilous in concerning times because certainly opened up some new thoughts and But what what gets you through? Well I think in many ways that we move from California which are usually love back to Seattle from Spokane and And still And our children are here to of movies and our granddaughter is here and we have a grand rain grandson and we interact with him when we can nuts. Not Much my phone peeking through a window. yeah I. I'm really happy unite. I love the peeking through the window. I think that's wonderful. Well listen we. We will certainly have you back on again. It's been a delight justice. Richard Guy Retired Delightful to have you here and as as we say at our place in life delightful anywhere so thank you very much for being with us today and go ahead and say something memorable. I don't know anything to memorable. You know I told you the other day The other thing that helps me. I do exercise. We moved into. A and I do exercise and I'm going But I'm going to be created when I go. I think that's a very good thing. I I appreciate that about you. Nevertheless we are out of time. And so I want to remind you that this has been swimming upstream and if you wanna find us anytime at all were Goto. Sob RADIO NETWORK DOT COM SOB stands for spunky old rods and all of the hosts are women past fifty in. You can find me. Well you find most of the time this has been dorothy will help. This still is Dorothy Wilhelm by Golly. Talk to you again soon bye now. Thanks for listening to swimming. Upstream Wilhelm. We'll be back next week with more great guests. Great ideas no telling what he'll do next be prepared if you just can't wait contact or theodore swimming upstream facebook page or on the web at www. It's never too late DOT com. This is the irrepressible sad longer.
Part 2 GENERATION GAP WITH RAY STILL & SPECIAL GUEST Anna Liotta
"Hello Welcome. It's time to join Dorothy. Wilhelm who had his very minute is swimming upstream because it isn't crowded there. This new show show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going. Dorothy gets crappy. If you keep waiting well there. This is Dorothy Wilhelm swimmer's upstream as always. I've got a whole wardrobe about it said have shrunk out of shape but upstream is definitely the place to be because because you meet folks that you wouldn't be anywhere else and today that's especially true in our generation gap series with my co-host. Rave Miller still we are continuing our fascinating conversation with on me. Oda Who is an international expert. Maybe even the international experts on generational interaction in the workplace and when we left off on welcome again thank I can't be here is good to have you here because you know my place like it's good to be anyplace raves about the ground right. Well yeah so now what we're what were we talking about when we left off. I depend on you to young people to remember What are we talking about. If I remember correctly verily we left off talking about the the eighty year silo that was excellent that called again ah social mood tikal eighty years social motorcycles. That's right ends broken up. If I remember correctly is broken up into four different stages you have the crisis social mood you have the the highest social mood you have. The looking over my notes here was that third one awakening awaken the unraveling and unraveling so the the way he made it seem like as a cycle a phrase comes to mind those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it but it it almost makes it seem like the events are obviously going to be different as the cycle repeats but it almost seems like things are also staying the same so like. I have a lot of different experiences than the generation that I matched what Jack's but that actually attitude wise we seem to be rather similar and that we would react to things in the same way and it makes me think it makes me. Almost I feel like I I. I had less free will than I would normally think I had no. It's not less free will it. Actually I approach it from a little bit different. I find it comforting when I realized Oh. This isn't me it's not personal. It's generational. There's actually there's actually something larger that I'm part of and think about the Gen xers Gen xers as a generational regional code wanna cut to the chase. Get to the bottom line. They WanNa know what do you want. Wendy want it and leave me alone and think back to the last the generation born during that awakening social mood as nomadic as can be. They were the officers that kept those young young. G is alive during World War Two. I don't know about you. I'm a bit of a history buff but there is the series band of brothers and I've watched band of brothers rather a number of times and I love that the gritty nomadic officers are the ones that just got it done right they were the ones that everyone one trusted now the hero archetype of the Gi the now our millennial they're the ones with all the energy and drive in our let's go but the officers answers the nomadic officers were the ones that you put your faith in your trust in which is happening in corporate America today which is happening and leaders and companies across across the world which is the Gen xers are in the prime leading and earning years of their life and their business. If you think about it very simply you can you can rake life into like four major stages. the first one is childhood zero to twenty one. This is when the world taking care of you your food your education. Your housing are all provided for by your community and then twenty one to forty two. That's young adulthood. That's when you're figuring out what you're great at where you're. GonNa Drive your energy. What you're going to contribute to what contribution you making the world and then there's prime that's forty to sixty four. That's when you're leading institutions and organizations you're calling the shots you're deciding deciding on the vendors and the budgets and where you're putting your resources and how you're developing and growing and then there's elder hood now. I always have to apologize is the baby boomers because they don't like that term older because they as generation believed that there forever young they grew up with the mantra that went like this never trust trust anyone over thirty so in their heart of hearts baby boomers fill about twenty nine so they would like if we changed that last stage to be like wisdom hunted or say hood or maybe just classic right just classic because boomer's don't listen to the Golden Oldies they listened to classic Ethic Rock but sixty four eighty four whatever you WanNa call it classic elder or wisdom that is when you're contributing back your now sharing your a crystallized knowledge and your institutional elegance and so what's really important is that while these social mood cycled goes on win win we are coming through different. Life stages childhood young adulthood crime or classic. We are approaching them with a a social mood informing us but there's a new approach to each generation as they move through those life stages they will have similiarities to the prior generation that had that same social social mood shaping forming but they will still bring a new nuance to it that is completely how they are you know expressing it in the world world one thing that just try to clutch his the heart of whatever the heck you call us yesterday. I did a book signing. I have working working. I did look the Patriots landing in dupont raise hide his face because I said that and and the this this is retired military people and what we fear so much is that all of the what what you said you know that the the older generation had done in the commandos the officers because of course I'm an army widow and we wondered is the younger generation generation really going to learn in terms of the survival of the world. Are they really going to learn from what we did. In how we lived judge did that that is that is something that continually happened cycle after cycle which is we all wonder or will the next generation step up and the great news is particularly with the global. They're already stepping up. They're already starting charity. They're already becoming social activists for them. They are absolutely driven by cause and so as a artist archetype they are a great hope for us because they're already demonstrating their passion and compassion and the rest of there's no hope for no didn't millennials are our hero archetype. They want to be given a great challenge what they need structure and they need mentors and they need people that will support then in mapping out their career path forward or their expression in the world that is a contribution rather than what. H- http hampered our millennials is that baby boomers wanted their children to have a carefree childhood that they had thought they should they deserved that they should have had and so so they actually over indexed too far by becoming the helicopter parent and by not allowing their millennial children for many of them not all of them but many of them not not to learn resilient by overcoming obstacles on their own in their formative years which then met millennials now in the young adult could period area. D- are having to learn lessons now. They coined the word adulting lessons. That would have typically happened between you know. Oh team thirteen to twenty one many of these things that leaders are very frustrated by things that that is just good parenting that you should have learned that but instead that parenting now adulting now coaching happens in those first stages of your workplace so that's where are it's not fair to ever blame generation because guess who shape that generation is the people parented that generation. It's the baby boomer's that said I want my my precious child to have great self esteem so everybody's GonNa get a trophy and not just just got to say the one thing. Was We thought an art generation. We've been through the Roy. You know and you say that but it's really true and we wanted to spare the kids. What we didn't understand is do cannot spare your children. You can't keep them from being hurt that that's how you learn and we didn't know that yes and that's why we see with our. Gen xers that they have swung the pendulum back and with their global kids they say to their children. I love you. I Adore you. I would give my life for you but I am your parents. I am not your. BFF Here are the boundaries here your chores here are the ways that you demonstrate yourself yourself in the world so they have put back in that rigor that was missing for a lot of millennials and they actually resent it because now millennials l. don't appreciate trophies because they have hundreds of them that they threw away but it wasn't the millennials that the Nanna trophies for everyone it was baby boomers. They were going to remove scoring. We're going to give everyone trophies so we often time want to vilify the generation. That's youngest and now people will try to vilify the global but got on protected two micrograms or to make the the next generation. The Bane of all the the epicenter of evil is lazy it just let's ask our millennial here. Is there anything what struck you about what I would. I would up for the readers at home at the different media here. I was nodding vigorously when she was describing about armies for structure. Ah that touches me very personally because I was very much the child who thrived under structure and if I did not find structure I would create it myself much to the Chagrin of my primary schoolteachers. They go there you go and that's that's part of what now leaders can be resentful of. They're like they used to be able to provide your own structure. Right sounds like you actually are one of those dual that people look for and recruit. It's it's the reality is if it wasn't demonstrated straighted or modeled to you if you need a leader that will do that and fat and a lot of what our frontline and our mid tier leaders have to learn learn more about is how to actually help create a GPS map forward you can be you can play as much as you want you can chant you rant and and revile but the reality is it is what it is. Get down to it now. You were saying that the I think wasn't Gen X. Day or the baby boomers. They don't like the term elderly. They don't like seeing themselves old which one was that that's right do not like elder hood. They want to classic they WANNA be. They always thought of themselves. As the young rising energy energy remember we talked about during that post World War Two high social mood they were the darling they were the future of the world and they never gave that up so you'll be in a conversation with the baby boomer and they'll say something like you know people our age and you're sitting there thinking. I'm twenty seven years old. We are not the same age sixty five right but in their mind they're twenty nine so they're saying people our age and that makes a huge huge reality that leaders and marketers and sales professionals have to think about because when you are naming things or coating things or framing things you have to think about the language so for instance baby boomers don't live in retirement communities. They live an active lifestyle style community for the fifty five and over they go to things that sound forever young and embrace that so you need to make make sure that you're not naming things things that reveal the baby boomer's course for south so then how does that translate to other generations and I kind of WanNa think this is almost a thing of respect that you don't want to you don't want to disrespect generation by calling the old. Yes we have a couple the time but how does that how do businesses frame that for other generations how they try and earn these generations respects by playing to their attitudes well. The thing is to understand listening in gauging Dorothy that I also have a book and I have a institute called the Generational Institute. It's the full micro learning online on demand and the first thing is to get familiar with what the codes are and to start noticing the nuances of how they show up. Let me give you an example of that for an organization. We like to say that people should could be boiled but every generation means something different when they say loyalty when it comes to loyalty our baby boomers were loyal to the institution right. You've got on with an institution. You stayed with it for twenty twenty. Five years and loyalty was still in their formative years a two way street you you ask baby boomer whether you do and they say I work for right like they tell you their loyalty and how they answer that question they say the institution's name for Gen xers. They were loyal to an individual because they watch their baby. When parents lead company colors you know work eighty hour workweeks boomers where the first first generation of workaholics never had that term before them but after the Gen xers watch their parents sacrifice their life in their health on the altar of business in the middle of the recession of the eighties all of a sudden one day that boomer parent came home with a little slip of paper and Dorothy. What color ink it was his paint? It was a painting flip and all of a sudden that two way loyalty was broken institutions now. We're doing the right thing for the institution not for the individual so gen xers xers don't see loyalty as a two way street they know the institutions ask for it but they don't give so they're loyal to the person the manager the flies cover for them and keeps them protected protected and watches out for them and give them the inside scoop for millennials their employer to their self their identity. What is it that I wanNA do with my life. My passions Sion's my guess. What experiences do I WANNA. Have how do I I contribute to the world and then our global issues. They're very loyal about what am I going to do. As an impact in the world that hasn't meaning and so that social consciousness that that entrepreneurial passion is part of their issue based reality so now as a company as on marketing and advertising to you. I need to make sure what the global that I'm. I'm very clear about being explicit about how we where we stand on issues so for instance if I'm recruiting global and they're the youngest one's coming into the workplace pitch right now mostly as interns but they're very quickly and talented -ly going to enter the workplace that means that when I think about my employees form I better have more his and her as option for gender 'cause they have grown up knowing that they have the right to identify their Pronoun amount and they do not accept that an organization run by a baby boomer says that's just too complicated to figure out how to put they then there's into it we we wanna stick with him and her no no no no no not to global they've grown up with friends that had to mommy and two daddies and friends that have about mommy who used to be a daddy so you darn well better figure it out or the global. They're not going to be part of Your Organization for Very Long. Wow how that is not putting pressure on US OBI Wan Ana. Can you but our hope. You're our only hope okay. WHAT ARE WE GONNA. We'll he keeps getting under the table. He has the same reaction to me as my kids do but that's the way I am we we. Did you decide to call us. The old people like me the traditional I I liked that one. That's okay shape shape. Okay anyway with with our last. You know we're getting they last last few minutes here. Get this out of this mess twitter we to do well. The first thing starts with whatever generation has in common is they want respect and when you at least demonstrate that you've sought to understand their generational codes what shape them what impacts their actions and their reactions at also the understand that there are things that are baby boomers dreamed up like work life balance and our Gen xer fired but there were a million boomers competing getting with them and now are millennials are demanding it because they're going to be in the workplace for eighty until their eighty s just like you dorothy and the global. We'll believe they deserve it so that dream guys. I desired the man to serve it works for everyone so start with seeking to understand a and and showing that you respect them. You may not agree with all of them but you at least respect them. It will take so much farther down the road to having generally savvy avid advantage and having it be a competitive advantage for all you know. That's that's interesting in hopeful because I have run it. I'm going to now reveal in public naturally my families are my kids and their families which you know we've we've all. I've been fortunate in Lucky and all but they all pretty much can't stand me because I know everything you know how it is. I just know everything and my son pointed out to me only last week. I'm not proud of this that you know you. GotTa let someone else express their views as well and that's just what you're saying. people like people like me who been through it. All we really have dinner. We fought the war and we're entitled to think we won but it's really hard to know hats off to these other people that that's your children and every traditionalist. I would say that the really important thing is you've been through exactly what you've been through and and the important thing is when we say we've been through it all. That's when we come back to that that misconception that common sense is common because common sense it all is based on that we have the same set of formative experiences and the key thing is to get really curious. What was another person's formative experiences for them. That is at all that is their whole life. So can we seek to be more curious and fascinated than fascinating. Can we be more interested an interesting question for I do my wife and I are thinking of having kids in the very near future and around based on these trends. I think that our children would be or probably on the cost of the of of the Hi social of the that second part to this the the second twenty year portion of that. Giddy your cycle as a parent. What should I be expecting when it comes to my children's wants and needs and expectations -tations be expecting very empowered children who will have a very clear sense of their agency NC and a very clear sense of how powerful they are in the world now that will be Baltics riding when if your kids and it will be really irritating when it's someone else's kids so so you know one of the things that as a parent you're GonNa WanNa do is you're going to want to support them to really know themselves and know how important it is to honor themselves and at the same time not make such that they are more important than everyone else that will actually make them be far more compassionate and at Grayson's base in the world that high social mood we can get into the you're the best in your the only and back at dangerous rangers played online because they don't prepare for the future because they keep thinking it's going to always be better and brighter is always going to be better and brighter. All you have to do is ask financial planners right now. How does that works out for baby boomers to think they didn't have to put away and say we've got a lot of boomers approaching ru- ru- okay the encore not retirement event and they're not ready for it because that the high social mood of it's always going to be better does not have them be prepared and so your children are going to have a very positive the first sixty years but you want to help them prepare for the last twenty five. I'm no longer going to use the word retirement that is going to be. I'm saving up for my encore how they got found there. You go well see that brings us to week. They keep giving us the signals like they think we should go somewhere else or probably something something something different than me. I feel like I wanna take you home with me and I would if I were closer by. You just made everything clear and they may all work out. I do you have hope. Is this my last question to you. Do you have hope for the future one hundred percent you better because you're out of work otherwise. I have hope for the future and job security for the present. Let you surely do it has been so much fun to be with you today. And I want to let me give you a chance to tell folks about your book and how they can get in touch with you. Oh thank you to my book is called unlocking generational codes and you can get it on Amazon you also go to my website on Eliadah DOT COM mm-hmm. Aj N. N. A. L. I. Ott A or visit me at bat generational institute DOT COM and check out the micro learning online online curriculum that you can bring to your organization. I'M GONNA look at that too and I noticed Mispronouncing your last name as as well as your first name. How's that for a double header so advocate dialect. It's tough. Is that it what we from Reggio Jio Calabria or whatever so that explains doesn't it anyway. He's been so much fun. I feel like I have just been rescued from terrible. Terrible mishaps absent my future life if any so this has been generation gap if you WANNA get in touch with us with Ray Miller still army you you get to say something in sprite inspirational rain almost it you can you can reach us at my generation gap dot com uh-huh of email dorothy at that's because he's busy Dorothy at my generation my generation gap dot com and if you ought to listen to all of our past shows go to what is it. Sob Radio Network notice how I can't remember anything today because I am so awed odd at what has gone on SOB radio network DOT COM and that S O B stands for Spunky broads at all the hosts are women over fifty who have a lot to say Anna just at so so until next time this is dorothy. Oh you're gonNA say something. Inspirational now array will take us out with an inspirational saying. Go get him kid. I don't know if I have an inspirational thing but a lot of this a lot of our make sense my generation's strange interest in superheroes that if we're GONNA be buroric generation that explains all the marvel movies coming out so right. That's why marvel understand that code. They're like this is the time to re release it because it is a generation that will pay go to see it because it themselves onscreen all all right well. I'M GONNA go put on my Cape and get back to the world thank you. Thanks Hon. You Take Care Bye bye bye bye. Thanks for listening to swimming upstream Dorothy Wilhelm. We'll be back next week with more great guests had great ideas no telling what she'll do next be prepared if you just can't wait contact or theodore swimming upstream facebook page or on the web at W._W._w. It's never too late DOT com. This is the irrepressible sad long.
What brings you joy? -- Chef Anessa McClendon with Charlee Rutherford
"Hello welcome. It's time to join. Dorothy wilhelm who had his very minute is swimming upstream. Because it isn't crowded there. This new show is for people who want to break away from the ordinary and live as if it mattered. Let's get going. Dorothy gets crappy if you keep waiting. Well he's right. I am swimming upstream. I'm dorothy will for some reason. We haven't worked out yet. I do this every week. I swim and swim. Until i meet someone that i think you'd like to meet. And then i pull my geriatric form out of the water at introduce you to them now. Today you have a real trade. I'm going to stand here in drip and going to introduce you to exciting and wonderful ladies and we're gonna talk about drinking to start with. I want to tell you something about me and drinking. I don't drink. I am i. Am you know but it always seems to me in all of life's crises. That if we all went out and had drinks together things would be better now. I've got it by my guest today. Could probably say little to that. But anyway i have come. I've got out of the water. This morning in beautiful can be candy grove oregon And i am going to be talking to Chef elissa an esa mcclendon and charlie rutherford. And if they don't brighten your day you better go back to bed because there is nothing that can be done for you and this south tell tell me. Last time i met you. I saw you. You were down here in lakewood washington and you did a whole show of great things to eat. Have you got any great things to eat today. I've got. I've always got great things to eat dorothy. Yesterday i spent my day in the can be grove kitchen. Making one hundred and seventy-five croissants for some clients. So if you wanna pop down here. I can warm some. You makes them from scratch you. I've been practicing. And i'll tell you what if two hundred croissants doesn't make you a better croissant maker. I don't know what's going to let see. That's marvelous my idea of cooking from scratch his warm the box you know my old italian grandmother baked forty four lows of bread every monday in her outdoor brick oven. I now and it was a it could the raising. That's the thing i mean. All you know what i of is. The upper body were working. That has that she had my arms and my hands are getting so strong from all of this baking that i don't think i need to join a gym but you know in these perilous times. More people are baking. Aren't they the for. Why do you think it is. What's your philosophy. Why is baking so nourishing of the soul. Well i think it's a couple of things you know when you're when you're cracking eggs and you're mixing things by hand really just makes you feel like you're doing something you know when they came out with box cake recipes. That was one of the things they changed. It used to be that you just added water advocate p right but then they realized that people didn't feel like they were baking and so they took out the egg product and then had the the homemaker add two eggs and water. And just the mere fact that you were stirring into eggs made you feel like you were baking and encourage you to buy a box cake batter. So that connection to our history. I think will but you know the other side of that story. The reason they made that change was that you're absolutely right. People wanted to add something and so they were. They were adding things to the box cake which ruined it because they already had the gang but they put in an egg anyway. So it's well luckier smart or bill or both that you actually really big things. I think it's just say you know. I was always scared of baking. But it's really you know. It's not as hard i. I became a shaft because when you cook all you do is add a little salt. Add a little sugar. And sometimes you don't need to measure but there you know there's a a a nice peaceful quality in exact measurements and learning how to feel when the dough is nice and pillow soft There's just that connection that that that helps your i think your serotonin levels in your brain now see. That's funny because i don't get any of that at all. I my idea. I take the cup i fill it up. That was illiteracy of and then. I slammed the top off it. If it's a little empty your little fuller don't care you know i kind of cooked by the hit and miss program. I guess i think it has to do with having cooked for a people for forty years. I interested i understand. I understand my mom. She cooked for six children and and her husband for fifty years as well and and you know there was a lot. I was raised in the eighties. We did a lot of hamburger helper tater tots and all of that. So you know. Convenient food is good too now. It's mac and cheese and you know. I hate mac and cheese more than anything but now what what does give you for food. What does give you comfort to fix. What do you still love to fix. Well I like to put together a good lasagna. Actually you know something. Just really hardy and talion flavors are always wonderful at you know but that molding of the cheese in the end the red sauce and and if you're doing it correctly you know you're putting a little white sauce in there too and it's just that that good comfort food on on on a dreary can be grove day like today. It's nice to have a good crusty bread and good big slice of lasagna. In my opinion you know the other thing that we always made. When whenever was home we made our own pasta and fairly. Yeah fairly hilarious. Because my husband was an engineer and he would actually use his slide rule to measure and cut the attic. I recently learned about straw and hay. Pasta which is a pasta that would be colored green and pasta that would be colored yellow. And so i made one and it was a salon tro green pasta and lemon yellow pasta together. And then we we mixed with a white sauce. And i think maybe some shrimp or something so it was a straw and hay. Pasta actually learned that from one of the ladies down at the senior activity center in lakewood really. Well you know. I was gonna tell you too that we were you know. I think we're spaghetti. Came from china and when when we lived in china we were so astonished because there was no place the houses are very tiny and so they would do their little spaghetti and then hang them on tree branches for the for it to dry out so You have and then they would put the grain down on the road for the cars drive over so it's amazing flute really. You do have that connection. How about giving us one tip. I know you've brought a special guest for us today. But i do before before we meter. I wonder if you've got any any food. Tipper drinks temper anything for the holidays. We have missed new year but valentine's day is coming or we just might like it socially distance of course absolutely. Well i was thinking of two different things number one. I have unfinished eggnog. In my refrigerator which i use for coffee creamer during the holidays but If you have unused eggnog you can always combine that with us. Seven and some ice cream and make eggnog punch. That's one of my favorite favorite drinks with eggnog. That seven up really cuts through The thickness of that eggnog. And then of course ice cream makes everything better anytime. I mean you know. The eggnog is going to be going on sale after the new year. And so you know just pick up a whole bunch of it and then have yourself a eggnog party. And i like dorothy. I don't drink either but if you needed to. You could add a splash. A brand in there you know to get through twenty twenty. Then you know funny that you should mention for valentine's day. The other punch i was thinking of is really nice dark red. So if you gotta cran raspberry Juice from the store and mix that with a ginger ale and then through some strawberries and some basil over the top of it just to give it a little bit of a of a nice kick. That would be a great valentine's day punch because it's got that wonderful red red color in there. It's really beautiful good for planning ahead. Well now tell us you brought a friend with you today. Who introduced please. I have so we were talking about. What brings us joy. And what's going to bring us joined the new year and then but also you know we're still in the middle of an isolation and pandemic and we're we're probably going to be encouraged to stay in a lockdown at least until what february or march or so. Yeah and so just finding things to do while you're at home so my friend. Today is charlie rufford. And i moved down here to candy grove to work at at this conference center and charlie is one of my coworkers She i met her as a dishwasher but she also maintains the grounds and she maintains our gleaner group So the donated food that we get goes out to our To the people on our on our property so. Charlie took up the ukulele about ten months ago. Now i let me tell you. Of course store the you and i know each other through the senior activity center and so it right in the lakewood activity center. She's seventy eight years old right seven sixty nine. I'm sorry why. Did i say that she's six nine seven so then i don't either. Maybe maybe 'cause that was the year i was born seventy eight. I'm lying it's not even that's not even true but anyway she took up the ukulele. That's the important part. And i have been watching her learn and grow and just be so excited about this but the thing that i thought was really amazing that she is found online free and paid classes that she takes. She's going to be involved in zoom Community ukulele class here in candy and eventually when our senior activity centers opened again she'd like to go in and play live and talk about her story in her life and and redemption. That type of thing. But i wanted you to meet charlie. I think she's she's great for what brings us joy. So let charlie rutherford you. Okay find the microphone and talk into it. How are you today. Hi dorothy. I'm doing very well. Thank you great. I was really interested in some of the things that s it was talking about that. You're doing and one of the things we both know. Since i think when the seventy eight came from with i'm eighty seven. So that's close you go around as we get older. I think there are some things we have to do to stay young and active. And we're gonna do that and another thing. One of them is doing new. Things is reaching out to other people and it's learning things. Don't you think that. I certainly agree with that. And challenge myself every month or every forty day period to pick up something new and keep my brain going. Oh excellent before we talk about equally. Then tell me what other things have. You done well. I'm horsewoman a very avid horsewoman. I had my baby for twenty eight years in. He went to heaven last year. I am dog woman and a katy cat woman. I am also mostly a recovering alcoholic. And i just recently celebrated twenty years by participating in the twelve step program of alcoholics anonymous excellent. Well how 'bout now did you decide on the daily. 'cause you telling me it's not a ukulele like we say. It's said ukulele to tell me a little bit about why you happen to pick out of all things. My parents very generous in giving me a very good musical education as a child so i had played violin accordion piano and guitar and wednesday in october. I didn't have any musical instruments. And i was really missing it so i asked my father. God what he wanted me to play to honor him and he put the vision of an ukulele mind. So i started drinking. Well less interesting do you. Did you start with the one that you play now or did you start with a different one but one. I'm going to play today. Is my baritone lali and it is like a three quarter miniature Tar because it has the four top strings. Which are the four bottom strings physically on the instrument. So if you're looking at your toes you've got the the far bottom strings on the guitar the same as the four strings. I have on my baritone ukulele. And we're just missing the to string that the guitar has what do you hear when you play the khalili. The makes you feel like it's for you. What does it say to you having started with the baritone ukulele because it's very country and it's something that i love the play around the campfire out here at can be grove. It's just extremely soothing. For for me and then because i was enjoying it so much i finally got invested in a little inexpensive soprano who lali which is like the ones you think of in hawaii. Soprano is strong with different a different key and so it projects different than the baritone does without you show us a little regan play. Play the different ones or just the one today. I have two of them. So i can do a strong on the baritone and then i can do the same on the concert. So you can hear the difference. Do the stumble. You knew. I have a friend is actually. She'll be on the show later in the month. Who actually her. Her ukulele went to carnegie hall and was played there at a conference. How trump cert- conference we'll see omc. But anyway i thought that was pretty interesting banfield interesting well lettuce here just a little bit of the difference because to tell you the truth i had never had any idea that there was any real difference. I thought they were all the little one that you see in hawaii right okay. That's the sound the sound that you're going to hear. Now i'm gonna do a g cord on my baritone okay. This kind of like a guitar really isn't it. It's it's strong in the same key asset guitar which is the key of g super So you can hear the bass that resembles the guitar because of the strings are identical to a guitar. So this particular. Ukulele really channels for garth brooks willie nelson all the good country songs that i used to love to drink to back then when i was you. Find him justice justice enjoyable. When you're not drinking to them right. Actually i do i. Because they're part of my story and they've made me who. I am today and after ten months of being in isolation as recovering alcoholic. I've turned out to be a pretty good friend to myself. That's and again for people in our age group. That's a very important is for anybody. But it's a really important thing as you as you get older so now. Which one have you got there now. This is my little concert showboat. And it is a a a soprano. But it's got two extra frets. It also has the love. Usually regular sopranos have a hygiene bring an an example of that but all the other strings are seeing so writer voice. It's bright and cheery. And i can. This one seems different songs. A lot better than the baritone does. And i can't channel brooks on this one. Oh channel pretty much everybody else except country songs wonderful and i think you've got then you've got your regular little one and you're going to sing a little song for us right and i'm going to give our show the engineer to set up for for that. I'm just gonna do that. Just give us a second honey love. Charlie's gonna play charlie what she can play. I'm gonna play the beginning of one day by matsui now and i imagine has special interest for you right. It's a worship song as well as kind of a summary about what's going on with this pandemic that i think all of us probably want to learn how to sing. Okay charlie. let's play shelly. Rutherford you notice. I almost got to see if If any word has more than two syllables. I can't get through it. Charlie breath let me tell your your audience that i am not a performer. I don't have a singing voice. But i'm going to do my best. Look that's the whole idea. That's great as we wanna have fun always with the oakland daily so here we go in brown negative all That was wonderful. That was charlie rutherford. And she's telling us and we're telling you that listen if you want to get through this pandemic and this new year and life itself you gotta start having some fun so we're going to suggest that you look before you come back again. Here's your homework. I want you to look for one thing that will give you joy or one thing new. You can learn to do that. You can't do when you come back to me next month. I want you to be able to do one thing that you couldn't do today. Oh allen throwing vegetables will not be it. Well i tell ya the i can do that. Pretty good so i'll try something new. You juggle Conflicts in my life. Yes but not not real well. You know it's funny what you can learn at as charlie knows and you know. My youngest daughter is a ventriloquist and she. She taught herself to do that. So it's just amazing and it's it's really great because she's they all have stories and everything so there's really no limit to what we can do. And i think the one thing i've learned from the pandemic is we really need each other. This is the big deal that the thing is. We've got to do what we can. And we've got to keep reaching out so now as we as we go on our way Working it Pretend somebody wants to find out something more about you or now where it can be grove. A conference center right. Yes and the property is called the can be grove. You can check it out on line. Www dot can be grove dot com. We are a conference centre and campsite. We host sixth grade camps throughout the year and then we also hosts conferences. we can bring in We can house about two hundred people on campus between our lodge and olive our cabins that we have here and then of course myself and our kitchen staff will put together some excellent food for you while you're on campus. Now do you still you. You're still prepare the wonderful things like he is when you were here in lakewood were bringing new things here out to candy grove. Were we are coming up with some signature dishes and some breads that That we're going to sell on our own creating croissant with a Inc butter of of parmesan cheese. So so i'm experimenting a lot and we're going to put the name of candy grove on quite a few of our of our good things out here so yeah we're trying out a lot. It's really fun. Well how exciting. Great to see you again and we'll we'll cook up a little devil moment in the future and so it thank you for your Introducing charlie to us and charlie. And you've got the last word. What advice if you've got for the folks that are listening or you know having a hard time with this this pandemic well thank you for having me on. I really appreciate the honor to share my love for the ukulele. I also shout out to. Nasa is just a a blessing of gifts in our kitchen. And i will never be the same if she ever leaves us back when she go. I mean really. That's so anyhow thanks again. I got time for me to get back in the water. Oh i hate to is so cold but anyway in the meantime if you've got ideas for a show or related to to ask questions get answers dorothy at it's never too late dot com. You know what. Sometimes it is too late but not yet. We'll see you next month. This is dorothy. Wilhelm thanks for listening to swimming upstream. Dorothy wilhelm. we'll be back next week with more great guests at great ideas telling what she'll do next be prepared if you just can't wait contact or swimming upstream facebook page or on the web at www. It's never too late dot com. This is the irrepressible sad long door.