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Episode 41B - Three Man Vs. Nature Stories

The Stephen King Boo! Club

26:24 min | 8 months ago

Episode 41B - Three Man Vs. Nature Stories

"Hello there club listeners. This is Stephen. Indra Sano coming at you with the bonus episode for this week. We were trying to figure out what to do. And what we settled on was a kind of showcase for some of the man versus nature themes across literature. I it's been a hot minute since I've gone to do any sort of reading this program so Phoenix one ahead and suggested some pieces that he wanted me to read so we've got three cool very different selections here and he could not join me for this call. Unfortunately but he did send along his opinion his take on these pieces for me to read on his behalf. Now the other thing that will be happening today Starting today in into the foreseeable future is I am recording live from my girlfriend's closet. I've hung some blankets up. She was nice enough to get some caller. Led's up in here. This is a slightly different recording setup. And I'm used to it. We might be dealing with a little bit more noise in the background. This is my own personal man versus nature environment tail to get so with. That said. We're going to start with travels with Charley by John Steinbeck. This is a direct callback to desperation or rather. Desperation has a direct call back to this very book. Johnny Merrin Ville the Hack writer has decided that he is going to travel across the country with his Harley kind of a loving tribute to this book. We're going to be starting with an excerpt from part one and I will try to let the text speak for itself and then I will speak for Phoenix and then I will speak for me. Labor Day approached the day of truth when millions of kids would be back in school and tens of millions of parents would be off the highways. I was prepared to set out as soon after that as possible and about that time. Hurricane Donna was reported trumping her way out of the Caribbean in our direction on. Long Island's tip. We have enough of that to be highly respectful with a hurricane approaching. We prepare to stand a siege or little bays fairly well protected. But not that. Well as Donna crouch toward us I filled the kerosene lamps activated the hand pump to the well and tied down everything moveable. I have a twenty two foot cabin boat the fair Elaine battened her and took her to the middle of the bay. Put down a huge old fashioned hook anchor and half inch chain and moored her. With a long swing with that rig. She could ride a hundred and fifty mile wind unless her bow pulled out. Donna Sneak Don. We brought out a battery radio for reports since the power would go off if donald struck but there was one added. Worry Rosanna Ninety sitting among the trees in a waking nightmare. I saw a tree crashed down on the truck and crush her. Like a bug eye pleased her away from a possible direct fall but that didn't mean that the whole top of the tree might not fly fifty feet through the air and smash her by early morning. We knew by radio that we were going to get it and by ten o'clock we heard that the I would pass over us and that it would reach us at one. Oh seven some exact time like that or bay was quiet without a ripple but the water was still dark and the fair lane road. Daintily slack. Guns her mooring. Our Bay is better protected than most. So that many small craft came cruising in for mooring and I saw with fear that many of their owners didn't know how to more finally to boats. Pretty things came in one towing the other alight anchor went down and they were left the bow of one tethered to the stern of the other and both within the swing of the Fair Lane. I took a megaphone to the end of my peer and tried to protest against this foolishness but the owners either did not hear or did not know were did not care. The wind struck on the moment. We were told it would and ripped the water like a black sheet. It hammered like a fist. The whole top of an oak tree crashed down. Grazing the cottage where we watched the next best stove. One of the big windows in I forced it back and drove wedges and top and bottom with a hand axe electric power and telephones went out with the first blast as we knew they must and eight foot. Tides were predicted. We watched the wind rip at earthen. See like a surging. Pack of terriers. The trees plunged in bent. Like grasses and the whipped water raised a cream of foam. A boat broke loose and Toboggan up on the shore and then another houses built in the benign spring and early summer took waves in their second story windows. Our cottages on the Little Hill thirty feet above sea level but the rising tide washed over my high peer. As the wind changed directions. I moved Roseanne Onta- to keep her always to leeward of our big oaks. The fair lane road gallantly swinging a weathervane away. From the changing wind the votes which had been tethered one to the other had fouled up by now the tow line under propeller and rudder the two holes bashing and scraping together another craft had dragged its anchor and gone to shore on a mud bank. Charlie dog has no nerves gunfire or thunder explosions or high winds. Leave him utterly unconcerned. In the midst of the howling storm he found a warm place under a table and went to sleep. The wind stopped suddenly as it had begun. And although the waves continued out of rhythm they were not wind tattered and the tide rose higher and higher all the peers around our little bay disappeared underwater and only their piles or handrail showed. The silence was like a rushing sound. The radio told us we were in the eye of Donna. The still and frightening calm in the middle of the revolving storm. I don't know how long the calm lasted it. Seemed longtime of waiting and then the other side struck us the wind from the opposite direction. The fair lane swung sweetly around and put her bow into the wind. But the two lashed boats dragged anchor swarmed down on fair lane and bracketed her. She was dragged finding and protesting down wind and forced against a neighboring peer and wicked here her whole crying against the oaken piles the wind registered over ninety five miles. Now I found myself in fighting the wind around the head of the bay toward the pier where the boats were breaking up. I think my wife for whom the fair lane is named ran after me shouting orders for me to stop. The floor of the pier was four feet underwater but pile stuck up and offered handholds. I worked my way out little by little up to my breast pockets. The shore driven win slapping water in my mouth. My boat cried and wind against the piles and plunged like a frightened calf. Then I jumped and fumbled my way aboard her for the first time in my life. I had a knife when I needed it. The bracketing we were boats. Were Pushing Elaine against the pier. I cut anchor line in tow line and kicked them free and they blew ashore on the mud. Bank but Elaine's anchor chain was still intact and that great old mud hook was still down. A hundred pounds of iron with spear shaped flukes. Wide is a shovel. Elaine's engine is not always obedient but this day it started at a touch. I hung on standing on the deck reaching inboard for wheel and throttle clutch with my left hand and that boat tried to help. I suppose she was that scared. I entered her out and worked up the anchor chain with my right hand under ordinary conditions. I can barely pull that anchor with both hands in a calm but everything went right. This time. I edged over the hook and tipped up and freed at spades then. Lifted it clear out of the bottom and nosed into the wind and gave it throttle and we headed into that. God Damn Wind gained on it. It was as though we pushed our way through thick porridge. A hundred yards offshore. I let the hook go and at plunged down grabbed bottom and the fairlane straightened and raised her bow and seem to sigh with relief. Well there I was a hundred yards offshore with Donna. Baying over me. Like a pack of white whiskered hounds. No skift could possibly whether it for a minute I saw a piece of branch goes skidding by and simply jumped in after it. There was no danger. If I could keep my head up I had to blow ashore but I admit the half Wallington rubber boots. I wore got pretty heavy. It couldn't have been more than three minutes before grounded and that other fair lane and a neighbor pulled me out. It was only then that I began to shake all over but looking out and seeing our little bowed riding well and safely was nice. I must have strained something pulling ankle with one hand because I needed a little help. Poem a Tumbler of Whiskey on the kitchen table with some help too. I've tried sense to raise that ankle with one hand and I can't do it. The wind died quickly. Leftist wreckage power lines down telephone for a week. Person on tape is not damaged at all. So here is what Phoenix had to say about this. It's such a masculine telling the story. He did a terrible thing terrifying his wife but to him it was a quick John to help out his boat. And he metaphorically didn't drop his cigar just kept cool he's sixty years old in this story and it's autobiographical what an asshole. But also how? Beautifully written couldn't agree more Phoenix. I think it's an interesting character. Reference point for the character of Johnny Marysville who sees himself? Is this kind of masculine. Do what I want character And it is also a really shining example of what the whole man versus nature. Strife can be it really allows for this kind of this happened and then this happened and then this happened plot Without any need for a will. What'S THE VILLAINS MOTIVATION? Nature doesn't need a motivation. It just needs to absolutely take you down. So the next thing that I'm going to be reading is a little kind of mid point. Breather. This is a poem called snowbound subtitle the Son that brief December day this by the poet John Greenleaf Whittier now. This description is something that I think that anyone who's lived in New England has a real respect for In the same ways that the desert convey this really all inspiring sense of fastness and uncaring. So too can winters in say Maine and Fremont so that in mind as I read this brief Jonty oil poem for you. The Sun that brief December Day rose cheerless over hills of gray and darkly circled gave at noon a satellite than waning moon. Slow tracing down the thickening sky. It's mute an ominous prophecy portend seeming less than threat at sank from sight before it set a chill note coat however stout of homespun stuff could quite shut out a hard dull bitterness of cold that checked mid vein the circling race of lifeblood in the sharpened face. The coming of the snowstorm told the wind blew east. We heard the roar of Ocean on his wintry shore and felt the strong pulse. Throbbing there beat with low rhythm are inland air. Meanwhile we did your nightly chores brought in the wood from out of doors lettered. The stall and from the mouse raked down the herds grass for the cows heard the horse winning for his corn and sharply clashing Horn on horn impatient. Down the stanchion rose the cattle shake their walnut bows while peering from his earthly perch upon the scaffolds poll of Birch the cock. His crested helmet bent and down his querulous. Chen wouldn't sent an warmed by any sunset. Light the Grade Day darkened into night a night made Hori with the swarm in world. Dance of the blinding storm. As Zigzag wavering to and fro crossed and recrossed the winged snow and air. The early bedtime came a white drift pile. The window frame and through the glass the clothesline posts looked in like tall and she did ghosts night. Drew on and from the Crest of would knows that Ridge to the west the sun a snow blown traveler sank from sight beneath fat smoldering bank. We piled with care our nightly stack of wood against the back the oaken log green huge and thick and on its top the stout back stick the naughty four stick lane. Apart and filled between with curious art the ragged brush then hovering near we watched the first read blaze appear heard the sharp crackle caught the gleam on whitewashed wall and sagging beam until the old rude furnished room burst flowerlike into rosie bloom while radiant and with a mimic flame outside the sparkling drift became an through the bear bowed lilac tree our own warm hearth seemed blazing free the crane and pendant trammell showed the Turks heads on the and irons glowed while childish fancy prompted tell the meaning of the miracle whispered the old rhyme under the tree when fire outdoors. Burns merrily there. The witches are making e the moon above the eastern would show net. It's full the hill. Range stood transfigured in the silver flood. It's blown snows flashing cold and keen dead white save where some sharp ravine took shadow or the Sambre Green of hemlock turned to black against the whiteness at their back for such a world and such a night most fitting that an warming light which only seem where it fell to make the coldness visible that was snowbound or the sun that December Day by John Greenleaf. Whittier here is what Phoenix had to say. A wonderful representation of how storms can have their effect sickle logically much more than physically in some cases. It's a different aspect of man versus nature. This gets back to what we talked about. Little Bit in the episode Wherein man versus nature is often a way of exploring man's perseverance. Now having lived a little bit in true even New England Vermont. There is some truth to this idea that things can get kind of out of proportion and out of color against the starkness of the white and gray Just a really wonderful poem and fun to to put into words. It's interesting with these kind of archaic poems. You know this being written in the eighteen hundreds that sometimes the way that we pronounce words changes so the ending couplet here clearly leaning towards a specific rhyme scheme for such a world in such a night most fitting that on warming light which only seemed wherever it fell to make the coldness visible. It doesn't quite roll off the tongue because it's just that old but I agree. It's a surprisingly good thing to compare it to desperation. Which is you know. Really partly a piece about what the characters think about their surroundings. There is not a psychedelic but definitely an artistic kind of exaggeration of aspects to the environment. Here that you can see in some of Stephen King's work as well. Now finally we're GONNA end with an absolute banger if I do say so This is a section from chapter one thirty five it looks like of Moby Dick. Now this is during a confrontation with the white whale which is really one of those literary figures that has come to absolutely stand for the archetypical man versus nature. And I think if you connect it to these other two selections that Phoenix has so aptly brought together for us. You'll find that. There is a real kind of man versus himself struggle in men versus nature and no other book gets it like Moby. Dick gets it I will be reading this in a kind of pirate the accent. I'm sorry if that turns you off but it's just impossible to read with out sounding like a pirate so here goes nothing the craft was cast to one side and ran ranging along with white wells. Flank seems strangely oblivious to dance as the whales sometimes will they had was fairly within the smokey mountain mist which thrown off from the whale spout curled round his great Mandak Hump. He was even those close to him. When with body arched back both arms length wise high lifted to the poise. He darted his fierce iron and his father fiercer curse and to hated wail as both steel and curse sank into the socket. As if sucked into a morass moby Dick sidewise writhed spasmodically rolled his knife flank against the bow and without staving a hole in it so suddenly cantered the boat over that had not been for the elevated part of the gun whale to which he doesn't clung a how would once more have been tossed into the sea. How's it was three of the artist? Men for new not the precise instant of the DART and were therefore unprepared for its effects. These were flung out so fell that in an instant to. I'm clutch the gun. Well again and raising to its level. And a Coleman wave hurled themselves bodily inboard again the third man hopelessly dragging a stern but still afloat and swimming almost simultaneously with a mighty volition of an-and graduated instantaneous witness. The white whale darted through the wall touring Z. But when they have cried out to the steersman to take new turns with the line and hold it so and commanded the crew to turn round on their seats in tow the bow up to the mark the moment the treacherous line felt that double strain and tug it snapped in the empty air. What breaks in me. Some SINEW CRACKS. Tis whole again. Our's our's burst in upon him hearing the tremendous rush of the C. Crushing boat the way wheeled around present his blank. Far Head at bay but in that evolution catching sight to the nearing black of the ship. Seemingly seeing it the source of all his persecutions but thinking it it may be a larger and nobler foe of sudden. He bore down upon advancing brow smeeting his jaws amid fiery showers of foam. A cab staggered his hands his forehead. I grow blind hand. Stretch out before me that I may grope my way it's night the whale. The ship cried the cringing oarsmen ours ours. Slope downwards I depth oversee that Harry would be forever too late a had may slide this last last time upon his mark. I see the ship. The ship Dashon. My men will not save my ship but has the oarsmen violently forced their boat through the sledge. Hammering sees the before whale smitten bow wins. The two planks burst through an almost instant temporarily disabled the boat nearly level with the waves. It's half waiting splashing crew trying hard to stop the gap bailout pouring water. Some reasons why we excerpted this section first of all. This is a very difficult book to excerpt from because it's got that kind of storytelling long winded this and annisten on that Now the reason why we went with this particular selection is because you get a little bit of the uncaring nature of Moby Dick Moby Dick here standing in for the versus nature See here The wheel wailed round present black forehead at bay but in that evolution catching sight of the nearing blackhall of the ship. Seemingly seeing in it the source of persecutions he cares about seemingly moby. Dick Cares about the boat much more than he cares about eighty have being so obsessed with Moby Dick and you see in that kind of miscommunication. Almost that there's real heartbreaking irony to it this is what Phoenix had to say. This is perhaps the most famous example of man versus nature in literature and also shows how man versus nature can reflect. Man Versus. Obsession with the whale is part of his own mental decline. That's a really reduced view of easily the most analyzed piece of American literature so enjoy. Enjoy indeed now. This was sourced from a website called. American LITERATURE DOT Com. It looks like you can get the entire book Moby Dick or though AOL on that website. If you're into some kind of high minded ocean shenanigans if you like the lighthouse go read Moby Dick Please. That is what we've got for you today. Three little vignettes of what man versus nature can be. Join US next week where we will be doing. One of our main episodes Phoenix will be back with me and we will be talking about the twin book to desperation which is of course Richard Bachman 's the regulators. So get reading on that we are going to be reading through Chapter Seven. Roughly the first half of the book. keep an eye out for many of the same characters and see if any of the themes interlaced with this. I will say having read the majority of the first half the book. Man versus nature features much less prevalent which is interesting given that they're supposed to be kind of Two sides of a similar coin as it were anyway. We can't wait till you join us. Then find us on social media on facebook on twitter if you enjoy the program. Tell One person you Ikea about it. That's our whole spiel. We'd like to thank Monica. Jen for doing our posters Michaela Fishman. Doing graphic design. We'd like to thank the Stephen and Tabitha King Foundation for all of the charitable work. They do in the state of Maine. We'd like to thank Tony Magistrelli. Michael Blue and for being some of our academic advisors would of course like to thank our mysterious archivist Bryant and we would like to thank you the listener. We will see you next week. Thank you for tuning in and Yeah.

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Episode 29 - The Tommyknockers Part 1

The Stephen King Boo! Club

1:01:53 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 29 - The Tommyknockers Part 1

"Late last night and the night before. Tommy Knockers Tommy. Knockers knocking at the door. It's the Stephen King Boo. ooh Love the chance to yet. Sheriff to the only other person that works on this podcast. How what do you not know about? This is like lighten Ding dongs. Yeah Yeah doritos Monster Energy I'm Steven Indra. Sano dime Phoenix Crockett. And this week we're reading part. One of the Tommy knockers published in nineteen nineteen eighty-seven now phoenix. I will be taking the main points here but let it be known. That Phoenix did the first draft of these main points super upset at the character. James Gardner so if you're hearing any bitterness it's because well we'll talk about it in full darkness doc new structure but yeah he we go. This is the main points. The first act of the Tommy knockers. Ars Concerns Bobby. Anderson Elite Thirties Western novelist and recluse living in Haven Maine and her despicable drunk. Poet ex-boyfriend a friend. James Gardiner Bobby is walking in the woods on our property one day when she trips over a piece of metal and attempts on earth it it turns turns out to be massive and powerful and strange events. Begin to happen to Bobby. Such as untimely ministration lost Hours and her dog mysteriously de Aging. Meanwhile James Gardner Aka Guard goes on a bender under during a poetry reading tour and pisses off a lot of people along the way he washes up in Seacoast New Hampshire and narrowly decides. It's not to commit suicide over his own self loathing. The last time he had gone on a bender of this magnitude he had shot his wife in the face although he did not kill her this time he had drunkenly assaulted a nuclear power executive at an academic function. What keeps him alive is a premonition? That bobby is in trouble. The more of the metal object that bobby unearths the more screws come loose in her consciousness s. she also gets a huge IQ spike and builds herself a typewriter that types novels for her while she sleeps guard is amazed and perplexed altogether too overwhelmed to really make sense of any of it. He watches her dig with an excavator. Occasionally helping occasionally drinking until he passes out while Bobby makes first contact with extraterrestrial life bobby has known for a while that the thing in the ground is a flying saucer a UFO. Extraterrestrial Technology Guard doesn't fully believe it until he hears and sees some very strange entities at the end of book. One then begins a strange interlude where we are shown several self self contained short stories revolving around the Tommy Knockers Aka the aliens arrival in haven in one. A woman begins to hear Jesus Talk to her through a painting above for television ultimately. She kills her husband in another David Brown. The young boy is disappeared. The two mysterious space called al-Tair four by his older brother who had been trying to impress his family and neighbors in a magic show. In a third the town constable ruth realizes that something horrible is going on and creates an improvised explosive device out of her doll collection and blows up the spire of their townhall. Cry For outside attention. The first half the book draws to a close as outside individuals begin to take notice the deteriorating state of haven and its residence. And that's about as coherent as you're GONNA get Outta this bad boy and you know this book. Despite being good is incomprehensible nothing folks darkness structure. Let's get things in order. It's so incomprehensible. Sometimes now it's absolute bonkers like okay. Okay let's get organized get organized to try to recommend it to. Someone in who likes Stephen King wants to read this one. It's kind of like if you took. Salem slot turned it into a Sifi. And then wrote it while obscenely high on cocaine yes that's that's kind of what it is. It's hard to separate this piece from the addiction because this is the super super high as the use got before he would The following couple years. Check himself into a yeah. Yeah and let's just talk about that now before we dive in because we will probably mention it a few times you had something to say about you know not judging works of literature written by people who are struggling with addiction. Yeah a lot of people dismissed his book Out of hand as a distant enraged aged coke dream. But it's kind of ridiculous I mean first of all. We can't just dismiss all literature written by people who are intoxicated by drugs and alcohol because that would be all literature and Assure this book has its problems but you know I look at it and I think that it's almost. It's almost disrespectful to dismiss it. Because it's a coke book. Yeah I agree I agree. I mean you can definitely tell the influences on just as usual editorial style. It's a little more meandering. It's focused. It reads like something that was written largely under the influence. But it doesn't mean that it's not essential Stephen King exactly and it's part of his arc in its. Yeah Yeah and this is universally disdained. Let's get that up front like I liked it so much exit. We should say that we we did both fully read this book before recording part one so this is with the benefit of having read the entire thing I will say at the midpoint of this book. The thing that I can say about this book that I don't think I can really say for any other Steven King Book so far I had no god damn idea where it was going halfway away part I still don't I've read all of it. I still don't know where it's going. It just takes such wild. John Returns like it starts out as a two person character piece and then it becomes is a short story collection and then right at the end of the second half it starts to become something else and you're like wait but I thought like what's happening here and it's kind of cool for that reason like it wasn't the easiest read it was a little bit challenging but I don't think in a bad one have your mind blown. This is the third bestselling book of the entire Nineteen Eighties and this book could be more nineteen himself. Did cocaine off the cover. Yeah this is eighties. Fuck Dude I loved it. Also what I loved about it is that this is the most main book we've gotten sense son. Quite ably unquestionably. I would go as far as to say when I was writing the downings wisdom section in both Language and hand tone. This is the most main book since it perhaps even more main than it especially say something. It has like parts of Maine that I've never gotten to talk about before like the cultural security theories and things like let's just dive right in. Let's take it to down east wisdom okay. I'm peeling organized. Nice now you know what we didn't even talk about. Steve What did we not even talk about. This is the first episode of season two. Yeah wait okay. Full dark non structure so welcome the season too high. We do have some things to talk about Some structural changes that I just want to gloss over real quick one one we are going to be decreasing the frequency of our calls from beyond just to give you the cream of crop It was taking the majority of our time and we think that the result probably suffered so we just WanNa make sure that one we're giving you that were given me some really good stuff and not just doing it because we think we should so be looking for some other segments to crop up in its place. We've got a new one for you this week. We'll do a new one for next week as well Phoenix. What else do we have have to say? Thank you for being on this journey with us. What else we have to say to the fine people what a way to kick it off? Yes but what a way to start. We're going to get real weird this season and we're we're starting with the time knockers which is incredible Phoenix. I am dying to get to down east wisdom. If that wasn't apparent. Please please take take me. There played again. Play it again Sam so I would need entire episode to discuss the downings wisdom in this book. The deterioration of the people in Haven Maine is partially a parable about king watching the residents of Rural Maine Decay over time with economic downturn meth use. That CETERA You can see. They started gaunt. They start to have Soroush. That's largely about Smith Man. Yeah Wow and Guards conspiracy theory stuff like. Oh the nuclear power is gonNA Blah Blah Blah. The people being afraid of nuclear power in Maine in the nineteen eighteen eighties was in all of New England. All Rural America was such a thing that we forget about. Because we're not worried about nuclear power. In fact we want I mean. Can we find clean nuclear power like this gotta be. Yeah Yeah. We're a different point in our nation's relationship to energy bobby guards yards dialogue. Made me feel strangely at home and venture. Ed Here's some quaint sayings and then we're bringing back the quiz. Yes yes good so there's multiple mentions of B. M. Beans B. M. beans which is much derided for its acting. Silly name is the first factory that you see driving into Portland. So it's a lot on people's head when you think about going to Portland. Yeah Yeah it's like if if you're driving into Burlington you see the whales tail or whatever driving into DC see disgraced politicians everywhere. It's a landmark. When bobby is mad at a cat named Blackie? She says she wouldn't care. If Blackie farted or blue in a tin whistle. Yeah what the fuck does that mean. I read that like three times and I could not make heads or tails of it so I like this one because it goes to show that sometimes these little sayings are made up on the spot bobby then and goes on to say to coin a phrase. Oh man and I think it's cute says of the puritans of Maine that you'd be in jail for a long time if you had had the bad luck to find yourself out on the Sabbath without a snot rag in your pocket we've talked. This is related to the archaic rule. Yet Right Hi. This is like an old old puritan rule. Yeah there was like a law and it still blew book law on the books in Maine which is if it's Sabbath so Saturday You gotTa have a wreck on you've got to got it can't be looking all snotty on the day of the Sabbath. No not allowed go directly to jail. Do not collect two dollars as you should be ashamed of yourself also did your dad or was it just my dad and the men that I grew up around still carry a handkerchief to wipe their nose like those events that ended with my grandfather that ended with Papa. Papa still carries around Snot Rag. Although I don't think he'd call it that tissue here he accidentally caught handkerchief. I still do it when I want to feel connected to my father but it does feel old time as hell. It's very old timey. Let's do again again. It all right. Let's yeah let's please do the quiz right for big ones for you. What is a real geezer? Okay now I have to inclinations on this I'm GonNa say both of them sure and if either one of them is right. Please let me now one. This could be a regionally different way of pronouncing Geezer so old person. I don't think that's it but that's a possibility. The second is a doozy. That's a real. Jesus yes so the second one it is a doozy. Hey does Something that would make you say Jeez But but physically into storm. Okay so I didn't get. I mean you kind of pity gave it to me. Yeah it it is a doozy but it refers to store more often than refers to other things these weird okay sure. I'M GONNA have to carry that with me. Get a lot of storms in this area. I'm going to start wearing out my friends referring to Maryland. Storms as real real. Jesus real To Wigan can you use it in the sentence since this book is Wiki. I'M GONNA say like out there or strange inch Your cloth fan. So W- IGGY comes from wig out which is a derivative. ooh He is. It's negative. It's strange in a panicked way. I love that. That's a really useful word isn't it. I dig that man main main slang rules. I loved ones. That's a regular Giller. Part of my vocabulary I love it I love it to three hundred. I'm over two for two. That's a cat's okay. We can bring it back in the back half threes shit would all right now. Does this require refer perhaps perhaps to the quality of a certain type of Lumbar it does refer to that okay. I'M GONNA assume bad. Not Good. Quality is bad quality and specifically it is second growth so after loggers loggers have cut a whole area trees. Downright it's not like old growth Second growth is worse and it's harder cut ended generally isn't great for match each ship Chitwood. Okay well I didn't know the specifics so I'm still not gonNA give that one to myself. So let's see if I can get literally really any of these right. Bring me the last one. What does the a stand for in fucking A. or your fucking A.? Right it now. This is one I should be able to say because that is not just a main experience. That's a whole thing than Canada. Dan Damn from the West Coast at a certain time but the thing is that. I know that I've used this expression wrong before. And it is a source of embarrassment for me so I feel like I'm being in call back with the not even not also unbear- because I hate to say it's a trick question much like H in Jesus Christ I. It doesn't mean anything. Oh Jeez Jeez. I'm so hot. One was unrelated related. Real quick I gotTa tell you what a Tucker is please do. It's not for the love of God explained to me what this is. It's not a main thing at all. It's just that the Stephen King had heard this rhyme before who. That would be a fun name for aliens. What it really is is ghost? Most of dead miners specifically do that. That's kind of thematic though they knock on the ground. Okay yeah now I buy yeah that yeah and there's you know there's like nice things in this that are about underground tennis. Yeah yeah there's kind of a ghost component yet. Yeah for sure hey. This book is about ghosts. Aliens side note. Can we talk about not not feeling is period Typically Ghosts Aliens Anyway. Let's ticket to sweet screams are best known section Everything about this book sweet scream. This book is written so loosely. There were few menu like bizarre. One liners for me to fit in this so I just picked to that I liked and we're gonNA roll absolutely y'All why don't you go first. Then all right. So there is a lot of substance abuse horror and I mean in all of Stephen King's writing right but especially in this one way that the kind of alien influence takes over people's minds and bodies feels vary upper. Feels very amphetamine or her. Dare I say cocaine related. I can't get into all of the examples that would be its own needful themes but people get really manic and obsessed. They forget to eat their tearful out and also people get like Super Horny like there's a lot of people getting very horny in this book. It's a hornbill plastic. That's a very horny book. Classic Stephen King Anyway. This is Kinda the first time that a character reckons with this guard. A Thinking about how bobby has just taken her house and completely redesigned everything in it to run off of like D batteries. What gave Gardner the creeps was thinking about trying to think about the huge amounts of energy? That had been expended bended here to have done just those things he had seen so far. Bobby must have blazed like a torch. There were projects like the fluorescent lights. which had already been completed? They're the ones still pending there. Were the trips to Augusta. She must have needed to make to get all the equipment hardware and batteries plus getting sweet dirt. Replace this hour. Don't forget that what could have driven her to it. Like this is so oh clearly influenced by the influence of drugs and this is like this is math. yeses methamphetamine A Stephen King hasn't talked about Matthew's before but if you're in the co- gains in eighties you're getting math. A lot of the time and like method main Up until just a pass three or four years was the drug. Now it's heroin of course but that Taking apart the microwave and putting it back together is just fultz thing the obsession. The idea that you can fix things to make it better. It's just all over the place in this book and honestly there are too many examples to really count. That was just really clear concise. One read this book with that in mind and you'll get a lot out of it. I agree and in in fact let me add to that by adding a little part. That was just before what you were reading. which when Bobby Sees Gardner for the first time in gardening Christmas list was almost one of my quotes? Yeah we always do this. This is brutal so bob was coming towards him. Her face gaunt her eyes deepen her sockets her forehead the Pale in somehow to wide. Her shirt buttoned wrong. The fly of Three quarters of the way down. She smelled dirty and sweaty Eddie and as if she might have had an accident in her pants behind the shambling. Dirty stumbling skeleton reiterated he thought you'd given up on me good to see you man stuff going on a lot of work. Done La held a lot more left to do getting. They're getting their head. She felt forward awards. semi-conscious into gardeners arms. Yeah I mean it just jumps off the page this book a lot of flack for being kind of bizarre and it's definitely weird fiction. Don't get me wrong but there's a lot of really dark and interesting stuff happening under the hood. I wanted to talk about the kind kind of strange short story section. That happens kind of halfway through this book. I don't know where if that's good with you. Please I'M GONNA go defend myself for heating. Jim Gardner honor. Oh we can. We can talk Gardner for sure but for now I WANNA talk about this weird kind of nightmare period in the town where people are starting starting to be effected by the radiative power of whatever. This thing is This is the the end of the story wherein hilly who is David's brother disappears David in an attempt to make everyone look at him and whatever anyway. He raked back the sheet. He had used to cover David an overturned the crate that had concealed soon. The machine he stopped the sewing machine pedal again and again and began to scream. It was not until his mother reached him that she realized he was not just screaming. There were actually words and all those noise all GI joes healy streaked all Gi Joes all the Gi joes forever and ever ever all the Gi Joe's and then infinitely more chilling compact. David Come Back David Comeback to God. What does he mean and Mary cried? Bryant took his son by the shoulders and turned him around so they were face to face. Where's David where did he go? But Healy had fainted and he never really came to not long after over. A hundred men and women bobby and guard among them. Were in the woods across the road beating the bushes for hilly's brother David. If he could have been asked hilly would have told them in his opinion when they were looking to close to home far too close like that is some night mayor shit too close to home far too. Close this was almost are opening Yeah very cloudy and yeah very very nearly this book is like intense like it gets a lot of flack flack for being strange. But it's also strangely intense yet. There's also just a lot to think about like yes because you get all those short story within within the theme quickly changes and a quick left turn into like oh now are thinking about this totally different horror concept but it's not even close to the horror kinds of bure just about. I wish like like obviously we needed a schedules. We can get through all these books before dead but I wish we'd had like another month to mow this one over because this is really like four concise concise books. It really is and it's hard for us to describe because when we're talking about like short stories there was thirteen or eighteen page section. We're talking about little little paragraphs also. I should note just real quick before we move on. Stephen King has some of the best writing about performers directly before for this nightmare segment where he talks about. Why hilly might want to put on this magic show? He had put on one that went okay and he wanted to do on. That was great. And here's here's how he talks about it. He wanted to make their eyes get so big. They looked like they were going to fall out. He wanted to make the girls scream and the boys yell he wanted to make everyone laugh when victor came out of the hat with a ribbon his tail and a chocolate coin and his mouth he would have traded all the honest praise and genuine applause in the world for just one scream one belly. We laugh one woman. Fainting dead away like the booklet says they did when Harry Houdini did. His famous milk can escape because honest praise days means you only got good when they scream and laugh and faint. That means you got great just in there just to add flavor just to give a thematic thing a bread crumb a little piece of text sometimes is more poetry like than not reminds me of Charles. Manson how what it's taken such a description of it's such a Charles Housman cindy description. Anyone Charles Manson is GonNa agree with me man. This is fine. Every every performer on the planet feels like Bat every perform on the planet makes wants to make someone have a visceral reaction here. Houdini is a great way to go with that. Whole part too? Yeah Yeah and throughout route all of it. Jim Gardner fucking sucks. Every every single piece of his book one of the tag is the work. You're here's the first from Jim. Ever Bet on Bobby is crying in Jim. Bob You're dating and to flash back and he says is this. Get your mind right bobby. If you WanNa go on doing what you like your fucking mind right off that bucking crying fucking maxine one fucking pink puke. It makes me sick. He got week. I know a week when I'm with it. Why do you want to be something? You're not why he want to be your sister. Mr Your sister is that why she's not here she's not you you don't have to let her in if you don't want to don't wind me about your sister anymore. Grow up in stop bitching and it doesn't doesn't get better wouldn't asshole he's such a huge piece of shit. I mean he chooses wife in the face in a drunken rage like he's like yeah yeah like. He's almost post to abusive to be a main character like he's one shade away from being the secondary character that Stephen King Shits on for an entire book. It's a very strange thing. And he's not like a Patrick Bateman psychopath. Because he's not like smark or like academic sad will just like he's a he's it's just like a a decent poet who gets drunk in hates himself. Its worst and you know. I almost imagined him. Young as like the Harold Lauder. Yeah I mean if it's not clear we don't like this character and it's a shame because you're stuck with them he is is one of the two main characters if not the is technically the protagonist of its distasteful. Alright so he's just not great talk more about some of those little things that just Kinda peek through. There's a part in the middle about this like nineteen hundreds evangelist preacher gets the section was weird. Yeah I didn't get why this was in the book. Maybe China light on it for me. I mean I think it was just again not not to dismiss anything out of hand because I also buy it was it's probably the most comedic and maybe most fun section of the whole piece here. We flip into a book here. I think it was just cocaine thoughts just holding through through honestly. Yeah so we're talking about preacher Colson. And Mrs. What the people have to say Colson did some mm-hmm harvesting of his own? He Pow God this section. He began by cajoling the attendees to give the largest love offering of his stay in finished finished by plowing and planting not to not for but six young maidens in the field behind the tent after the meeting men. Less book is so horny. Men Love to talk big but I guess most of them PAG Berringer's in their pants. No matter how big they talk old Duke Barfield said in the barbershop one evening opening if there had been a stickiest man in town contest old Duke would have won hands down. He smelled like a pickled egg. That has spent a month in mud puddle. He was but at a disadvantage description wind if there was win to make that possible haired man with the barreled shotguns ends their pants. And I reckon it's so every once again and Wants to even once I even heard till some fella that he him had three shop pistol pistol. But that Fucker Colston's the only man I ever heard of Compaq in a six shooter. So what he is describing the bringing through it. Professor is the phenomenon that A rumor about Colson sexuality grew quickly and and the rumor was that he had had sex with six of these women in a row Thus not having a refractory period between Jackie relations and describes that having a six shooting revolver. Now I love that this okay. No stop and think about this. This isn't a book about alien. This is the notebook about a lady finding about aliens in your backyard. What is doing this? Where was the editor? That must've been tired. EST Editor Win. This is the one that had to deal with. The almost wasn't edited at all. It's one of the major. Criticisms of it are people are like doc. Looks like it wasn't edited. That's because it was beverly edited dude. Hey Yeah that's definitely true but Phoenix the Phoenix. Stop you right there. Listen listen to the words coming out of my mouth if the triumphant return of pet cemetery were you now this is the segment where we talk about. Very Good Animals Rosenstein have we had before we've done the segment three times. Get with it every time. I'm like wait. We've done this. You're the only other person that works on this podcast. How do you not know about this anyway so I just wanted everyone to know? There's a very good dog in this book. Now granted he disappears on page one hundred something and then. It's not clear what happens to him. I'm sure it works out just fine but anyway way. Here's what you have to know about this dog. His name is Peter. He's an elderly Beagle. That lives with Bobby and he is very good dog There are a lot out of examples of this that I could go into a full hour on. How good this fucking Beagle? So it's from the alien energy. Yeah this Beagle like gets more spry and Sassy ask the over time. And it's delightful Anyway he's afraid of storms which I can empathize with and during one real Jesus and this dog jumps up onto the lap of his owner. Now this is a universal dog owner experience France Where dogs will always find the path of least resistance to mangle your body while jumping up onto you quote? He Sprang into Anderson's lap getting her crotch a pretty good one with one four-pack. He always seemed to Wang her there or on one boob. He didn't eight. It was just one of those mysterious things like the way elevators invariably stopped every floor. When you're in a hurry? If there was a defense bobby Anderson Percen had yet to find him. Thunder tore across the sky. Peter crowded against her his smell owed to beagle filled. Anderson's knows us. Why don't you just jump down my throat and have done with Peter? Peter grinned his shamefaced grin. As if to say I know it I I know it. Don't rub it in. Should we go to light for reuse so warm to plug your favorite charity. That old dog. Yeah old friend. Senior dog sanctuary. Very good they're out in middle America America somewhere they have excellent social media presence and they take in very very old dogs and they post the pictures and make sure they're healthy healthy and try to find them for our homes and it's super cute and I can imagine Peter Doing very well there and I'm sure nothing thing bad happens I'm sure it's fine that he disappears halfway through. Don't even worry about it. I'm sure he's doing just fine. The Oh boy so here we are in the mid show. Thanks for keeping up with are really all over the place episodes so far. It's just that kind a book so this is where we do our usual social media shoutouts. You can find on facebook on twitter on instagram. We have an email Latte Steven King Book Club G DOT COM and a patriotic. If you would like to support US monetarily yet. Thanks again for joining us. On our season two premiere employee share with your super nerdy friends. I'd like to shout out one of our facial Sherwood. 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This book is full of Rube Goldberg. Terror machines great band name. All of that is such a room Goldberg Machines. One two three four uh-huh on that there's a lot of engineering in this piece and none of it makes a lick of sense but the Knicks to lease. I'm so excited excited to get into part. Two of this with crazy engineering that have owned. Let God for part one. Please tell the good people about the magic brain typewriter typewriter so bobby in her New Engineer state build the Extraterrestrial Mania India. Yes yes that can basically produce novels for her while she's sleeping specifically while she's sleeping because it's somewhat connected to her brain. Yeah a little bit Kinda. Let me open up to page one hundred thirty two page. One hundred thirty two in Maya dish in and abyss can read out little snippets because some of the stuff. It's it sure is a thing it's also like really inconsistent like the descriptions are inconsistent. Here here we are here we accurate. Yeah Yep Yep Yep instead he pulled on a roll slipped the perforated end of the first sheet under the roller turned the KNOB on the side of the old machine until he could snap. The bar down. Heart was beating fast. Sh Okay do you want me to turn something on. He didn't see any switching can even if he had he wouldn't have wanted to touch it don't need to. She called back. Guard heard a click followed by hum the sound of a kid's electric train transformer Mer green light the spill out of Anderson shoprite hair involuntary shambling step back on legs. They still have them five. My father lies Ding Bang. The carriage returns these. These are the pearls that were his eyes. Sickly green light spilling up through the keyboard. Might Beer is rheingold. The dry beer. Think of rheingold whenever you buy here is the section goes on for a while like describe what happens with it. Yeah I love the magic green light pouring out of technology it is so so overwrought and campy out. His book is campy. This whole section which was four pages long ends with two windonw -tations indentation. Jim Gardner screamed. I was actually cracking up during this. Yeah I mean we'll get plenty of opportunity to talk about the technology in this one. I think it'll be a much. Larger section next time given that things go all sorts of Haywire in town do have to ask the inclusion just to remind everyone that this book includes a large number number of antique dolls getting turned into bombs why it had to be the dolls who knows it just was. That's how technology works baby. That's how it be sometimes udalls. Their bombs will well with that with that very stupid segment. We're going to go to our smartest segment needful things. This is our literary analysis. We're GONNA get real thinking here Phoenix. I would like it if you could trail as well actually yeah. Why don't you tell us off because yours is chronologically? I also because yours is called aliens. What's up with them and Man uh-huh so heavy Hittin today I'm GonNa talk about? HP lovecraft the color out of space. Whenever you're ready to do it? So this piece is based on a lovecraft piece. That's super true as Kay mentioned it more than once in on writing Their accusations the S. K.. Just rewrote mccotter mass in the pit of fifty British. TV Show and the lovecraft thing is a cover for that. But we aren't talking about that today. It's stupid stupid. It's also it is. It's one of those craft most beloved pieces and it helped push amazing stories a pulp magazine further into the limelight. When it was published the basic premise of the nineteen twenty seven Colorado spaces that a meteor crashed a longtime ago at Arkham Massachusetts the Alien Energy seeps into the town makes people crazy as well as making crops grow funny and animals go insane a much like our veterinary seen in timing? The go even deeper than that. The farmer performing lived on the property with the meteor was named Gardner was he a piece of shit and that went to. Yeah after exposure to the Meteor Gardner's wife starts to exhibit strange Behavior so he locks her in that attic nick so he wasn't piece. One thing that the story has the book does not have is really really heavy dripping. Hellenic influences. Which would've muddled the vibe of Tommy knockers which somehow manages to be even more new England than lovecraft piece? The tone of the two pieces is also similar. I think Oh king was actively mixing his horror prowess with Zany vibe. Love Amazing story kind of thing. I've always dug that. The piece is also both frequently go zero to sixty And freaky sections. Of course our number today really knocks it to the moon. While Tommy knockers was fueled by cocaine and alcohol. Colorado space was fueled by opium in the mood to the two drugs. Seep into the writing in the opening of Colorado space is really sleepy. Slow opium slow. No part of Tommy knockers is sleepy. The adaptations for Colorado space are numerous and the most recent one which came out a few months ago is actually the treatment. I'd like to see Tommy knockers. Get adept kind of disgraced director. Richard Stanley directs. Nicholas Cage. Some other people in Tommy Cheung through a wild body horror or film that gets just the right colors and just the right action shots to do what I was talking about. Blend the amazing stories. Five with the horror vibe. Maybe Richard Stanley should take on the next time knockers I guess that's two or three bonus recommended readings for This section here. Colorado space in Tommy knockers pair together. Like fine wine and cheese. The Tommy knockers is for sure the cheese. You've still got like a minute. Doggone got will then go feel free to reply. Did you read this great. I've not read one. I have felt influence in other things. Though I mean that's an iconic story I will point out. There is no way in hell but this could be described as a wine and cheese. Pairing both of these stories are way too trashy for that this is like Ding dongs. Yeah Yeah Doritos and monster energy kind of deal this this is us all right. You've got ten seconds. I'm just going to stop it there. I think yeah man. That was concise. I appreciated shaded the background. I had no idea. There's a lot of really cool lovecraft writing on like slow creeping influences in New England. The we've talked about it before there's a clear lineage. Poe lovecraft King Netter these just literary horror giants and Phoenix. CENEX as a segue into my piece. You'd said Oh you know this serves like three or four recommended. Readings might has like twenty mind gets a yeah my kid's in the weeds so if you would not mind accounting me off I would like to talk about aliens for four three two all right aliens. What's up with them? So this is the first Stephen King piece that were reading with really old school classical flying saucer ass aliens in it so I thought it would be prudent to talk about aliens in horror whereas a genre what some classical examples are with their literary meanings are and what I think. The aliens in the time knockers. Maybe about so before we get into the really heavy stuff. I wanted to just point out some famous examples of aliens in horror just to set a historical kind of background background. We're going to go far back as H G wells war of the worlds. You'll notice that Phoenix's pieces way before that chronologically. But this is kind of the the trendsetter for alien horror specifically from that point forward for the that. Don't know this was a radio drama Egmont broadcast masquerading as a real news broadcast which according to a now very overblown legend. Many Americans believed to be a true news broadcast. It had to do with the idea of alien invasion in America. Now obviously that idea yeah predated. This people wouldn't have believed it if there wasn't some sort of trope background but that was broadcast all the way back. Nineteen thirty eight. We'll start there for our purposes. There was was an explosion of alien fiction in nineteen fifty s much of which was in the broad genre of adventure fiction although weird tales but a lot of it it was like pure high-octane horrors see for example. The invasion of the body snatchers moving from one thousand. Nine hundred fifty six. which would later be remade? In one thousand nine hundred seventy eight both both excellent movies go check them out. There was a second wave of alien based horror in the nineteen eighties. which includes Tommy knockers from which we saw such such horror classics as the thing from Outer Space and alien which okay technically was released in nineteen seventy nine but it's really really ad so whatever currently we're in kind of alien centric revival especially as eighties nostalgia has been driving pop culture See things like stranger things. Things video game called so much. That was really big and also debatably. The hit movie. remakes rely heavily on a kind of alien deal. So what makes aliens in horror tick. It gets complicated. As refresher monsters and horror can be thought of as representations of broader cultural fears so for example demons in the exorcist might represent fears about moving away from traditional religious values or whatever aliens as a trope because of their different manifestations nations can represent all sorts of different cool societal fears but there are a few common threads one the idea that humans may not be at the top of the food chain so to speak stories like alien and war of the worlds confront our society with the possibility that there are bigger batter societies out there who are capable of doing to us what we did to every Apex Predator on the planet not to mention what Western societies have historically done to indigenous peoples across colonial and imperial history. Three then there are bodily aliens creatures that draw attention to how gross and weird the sacks of meat and bone. We pilot are for example. The thing the fly fly and dead space for a few third and this is the most out there so bear with me. They can represent aspects of human conformity. That fracas right out. The the idea that people are natural followers or that especially in western culture. The greater societal mind might take precedence over the individual jewel shows up over and over again and alien horror again. The invasion of body snatchers creepy hive. MIND COMES TO MIND. And also the Borg from Star Trek Doc. So this is where I wanted to invite. You Phoenix to take a deep dive with me into the Tommy knockers. So far and talk about what we think these very particular keillor monsters might have to do with now. You had mentioned kind of rural degradation. I thought that was fascinating. Take Yes for sure the The haven residents once inhabited by our ghost. Aliens truly are by the way a three two s slim Nice Yeah Right. Were representing yet the downfall of rural peoples in Maine. I've I have mentioned the book beans of Egypt main on here before. It's really a lot like that. Anyone who's from a rural area knows the people I'm talking about and it's it's really easy to Acquaintan- poverty with this foreign behavior Let's addiction behavior and all shelters is really too much in it for us to get into but also the aliens specifically in the Tommy. Knockers are God's there are higher than people in a lot of ways. Yeah you get that kind of technological superiority that you see in a lot of aliens as monster because again traditionally we associate our technology with being and What elevates US either as a people or as a society so people talk about like oh humans with first animals to use tools? And that's what set this this apart. So what happens when you have someone show up who has better tools than you and is going to use them against you exactly. Okay so yeah. We just haven't really gotten a chance to talk about it. The only other really like alien centric things like you could say. It's an alien but it's really more of an extra dimensional national God creature. You could say the creatures from the Mr Aliens but there isn't really simile. Who Actress Malaria you? There is textual evidence in the first part of the Tommy knockers that the things in the mist are aliens brought to Earth by nuclear destruction. Okay yes yeah. Yeah so in that case that's like we talked about Matt episode kind of Natural Selection not being at the top of the food chain in that way. That's more of a physical power. Deal the release Scott Way. Yeah Yeah I like it I. I thought that was really great. Thanks for talking to me about. I love talking monsters anytime dog. Yeah for sure. Which one do I shoot Serious there sure is it sure do exist so while many movies and miniseries have been planned only one got made and how it got made is an interesting tale. ABC In nineteen ninety-three decides that they want another miniseries Allah the shining and it they tell the production crew this in August. It's to be filmed October and come out in May which is a wild production schedule and a bad idea. Larry Cohen Lawrence the Cohen on his SAG wrote it in nineteen ninety. And he also wrote Brian. DEPALMA's Carrie in the seventies and he agrees to write it since the piece takes place largely in the summer couldn't film in America so they went to New Zealand and getting crews and props over there was a nightmare. They got deported from Singapore for like having an illegal gas without like he did all the stuff they were in New Zealand but they were trying to get through. Singapore doesn't matter the point is that's probably why the series Oh co it's not good I was GonNa Watch it for this and I decided I beg you not that. It wasn't worth my time. I think that you would feel bad about being a person who makes art in a human if you thought even compared to other S. K.. Adaptations sucks it's not like it's it doesn't suck like the shining sucked where I was like. Okay that was actually kind of good or whatever but it's an ABC mini series. Now first of all it was just bad it's loosely based on the book guard and Bobby are a happily married couple. What which and? They're pretty stoked to find aliens. Also the end is not even close the same also. The middle parts aren't close to the same reviews weren't great budget budget with small special effects. Were Hokey even by Nineteen ninety-three Standards Man March Ellen. Berger from Ryan's hope and CSI plays bobby you and Jimmy Smith who plays bail or Ghana in star wars sure isn't why. PD Blue Plays Guard. This makes perfect sense. Because if you sell the series to the friend as a soap opera instead of a major S. K.. TV show. It will go better because it looks just like a soap opera. It doesn't even lend ended self to drinking games. The aliens are so silly. Even thirteen years after alien came out like we knew how to make aliens now. You know what I mean. Yeah we've been and make an alien movies for a while. The aliens are very silly. They looked to him off of cereal boxes. And I mean good job to the actors that made it feels like a small Maine town in the production crew for dealing with remote filming. But damn now I mean there were set up for failure for sure Yeah it sucks. 'cause like I'm bet a good miniseries adaptation of this could actually really take the narrative and make it into something a little more focused like you if you could kind of deconstruct and reconstruct this book. So that it's not four different print books in a row but it actually feels like one flowing narrative. I bet it could work. There's there's definitely a Tommy knockers outpatient. That could work absolutely. I don't know what it is but you could do. I think go one act stage play you and I are gonNA write is GonNa Really. Oh God don't you put that evil dude absolutely one of these days as were after. Come through in actually right as a play. God how we'll get a dollar baby anyway okay. We've made this joke every single episode. But Tommy Tommy knockers. The music would be so good bad the whole stage in green light. Actually Kinda lends itself to a musical like a really excellent over her. Yeah kind of a rocky horror deal because it's weird fiction rocky. Horror Tommy knockers would would be Tommy Tommy Horror Picture rockies. Hami roar knockers knockers. Tommy recommended reading. Okay so obviously I just listed did so many aliens horror products. There's so much good alien horror out there so I wanted to do something super contemporary. This only only be god-like a month and a half we'll by the time this episode airs There is a really cool horror game out right now. It's about aliens. It's called moons of madness. It's on playstation. It's absolutely gorgeous. You can't get your hands on like watch. Someone play it online for the narrative. The Monster Design is not to spoil anything. Pretty Tommy knockers. And it's just it's just well done it's a well-crafted experience it. Yeah check it out cool. I will check out so we've talked in this piece about the planet alter four. It's it's a fictional planet Stephen King did not make that up. That is the Forbidden Planet from the fifties. Leslie Nielsen Movie Now when he mentions to that like I didn't make that up. It's from somewhere deep in my brain. Who knows who knows where these planets actually a fun fun alien movie and yet you should also Leslie Nielsen as a leading man not as a comedian? So who interacts. Yeah that's it was a leading man before he was a Canadian. That is true. I did not know that because he's a very good comedians eight. Hey could you believe it. Fun Fact Yours is not as funds. You have to go first. Ok Man you gave. GimMe a lame fund. All right here we go well. Stephen King was writing this novel. His good friend Everett mccutchen Sin was dying of leukemia. This may have contributed to the green nauseous and generally sick characters. And that's definitely true. There's a lot of like bodily harm harm in this one. Yeah and like a lot of nausea. A lot of wake Everett mccutchen had email which ever sorry every. mccutchen had McLean Leukemia Jamia which comes up in guards. First big freak out. He's like you're going to get young. Yeah yeah yeah totally so I mean these you know that's how creative stuff works. Is these things trickle down into your work all the time. So this one's my favorite one. So let me tell you a story okay. I'll read it. We've we've MIA tail tail spin me a yellow. The company that makes shooting. Tell her. Oh we're going to talk about abortion so so the company that makes. Gi joes did a write in contest to design a GI Joe character figuring Would okay call. What's the word action figure? You could tell a little a little boy doll kid. I don't small plastic person And and the winner of that contest was a young Owen King. That's fun. Yeah and he came up with a crystal ball which is kind of a hoagie stars. Gi Joe character largely considered to be the LAMEST and worst selling gi. Joe Of all time which I then but I'm trying to picture we'll we'll put it on our social media like the day after this drops Absolutely they don't like other. Gi joes like Kung Fu grip self like hundreds and hundreds of dollars. These ones are online broken for ten dollars not ideal. Can you get me. You WanNa Crystal Crystal Ball Joe plumbing that gets you one yeah. Stephen King Collector's go make those valuable. Go get some crystal balls. It's a great that is so fun. Thank you Phoenix. We'll back next time. With the Tommy knockers part to electric blue blue and the APP I would like to say thank you to market Chen posters. I'd I'd like to say thank you to Daniel Suffer our social media consulting McCain Fishman for graphic design. I'd like to thank our library. Policemen Bryant for keeping us well informed our mentor. Tony Magistrelli. I'd like to shut the Stephen and Tabitha King Foundation for their charitable work inside main and mostly mostly. I'd like to thank you Steven and Phoenix. I would like to thank you sir. Here's to a great season. Yeah thanks everyone for listening Read the second half. Have the timing knockers. I guess if you want to we get it It was the next week. We'll be back right

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Episode 45 - The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon

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Episode 45 - The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon

"The world had teeth and it could bite you any time it wanted. Its Stephen King Boo club. Run Battle. Real, quick roker. Habsi. Best nickname find me a better, nicknamed and Pepsi. Secondly WANNA stay I. Only know about the Hero's journey from you. Show me youtube videos. On brand. I'm Steven Andrew Sano in dime Phoenix Crockett. and. This week we are reading the girl who loved Tom Gordon published in nineteen. Ninety nine Phoenix. It's been a while. Why don't you take us to the main points? I sure, we'll Stephen. TRICIA is a nine year. Old Girl toper her age. Who goes for a hike on the Lower Appalachian trail in. Her recently divorced mother and Bratty older brother. She leaves the trail of P and quickly lost. For days she survives by sleeping under branches and eating I her packed lunch, and then berries and nuts. She encounters wildlife and dangerous. As well as increasing feeling that something is watching her. Her parents and the community search tirelessly on aware of how far she has traveled. After eight days, she is presumed dead. She loses some of her clothing and covers herself with mud and is constantly eating. She has a Walkman with little battery to listen to the red sox games over the AM band and he gets stark. She successfully fishes and eventually finds old woods Tran. Throughout her struggles. She sees several hallucinations. The foremost is Tom Gordon Relief. Pitcher for the Boston Red Sox and hermine mind, most handsome man of the world. She also sees her best friend Pepsi as well as a humanoid moth, priests, piles of dead animals and other disturbing images. Dirty water slowly poisons. Suggestion becomes, erotic. Contracts to Monja. She walks down the wooded trail. She encounters a bear who she interprets as the God of the lost the God that she has been praying. Channeling the pitcher that she so loves winds up and throws Walkman. Conveyor. Hunters scares it off by shooting at it. He whisks the unconscious girl off to safety. TRICIA weeks in the hospital, and as for family leads to give her arrest, she pointed sky just like Tom Gordon does. The same. Do you want to. Lead into this the segment. We have a segment off right so after the main points comes full dark, no structure. A. Feared opening of a segment I. Think we've ever done yet real clean. So. This book was. Really stupid good. Just just a dumb could book. I would say since Dolores Claiborne for me. Yeah! You know I'm I'm inclined to agree for sure Now? This book is notorious in some circles for being kind of. A lot of people's first exposure to horror. I'm talking middle. Grade Rights Yeah v six drain in the ages of like nine and thirteen is kind of the sweet spot for this one. Because of that we're going? Because of that, we're going to be keeping this bad boy PG thirteen. So if we swear, we'll bleep it out and we'll try to keep the swearing down to a minimum which. If you're familiar with the program is sometimes an issue will not be marked explicit, so if you're from middle school, you're joining us, 'cause you google this because you read it. Or glad to have you. Thank you for listening. Yeah, welcome to the program If your parents are like what are you listening to their? You'll be fine. It's marked clean on itunes or whatever you're the only other episode. You're allowed to listen to his misery. I would like to say. A little bit about why. This book is a deep breath of fresh air for me. Firstly the child writing is so evolved from his previous child writing he, he got into a kid's head. He listens when his kids talk to him. Yeah He. You can only get that good of a sense of what a child is thinking by listening to them. And he did, and I was I was blown away by how realistic this nine year olds thought processes are. Yeah and not even just psychologically. They're human details to this survival story that are chest, so they're so real that they make the entire thing feel grounded like the. There's this tick. That tricia develops where there's the same ad over and over that has like a stupid jingle, and she finds herself singing the jingle as she's just like out in the woods and I would totally do that if I were hallucinating out in the woods I would definitely be like arts. Far, nine, Bo pop up. Steamer against your. Home Clean. HUNDRED PERCENT KID! Absolute also I would say. This is the first book that happened during when Stephen. And I or forming memories. We have real cultural touchstones on this one. It's nineteen ninety nine. Not only have I walked this trail. In the same year that this book takes place probably. But I recognize these baseball players. I was like coming online with Jason Varitek. Nomar. Garciaparra were still playing baseball. I remember Walkman like this is the thing I would game boy. This is our childhood now finally. Yeah, it's funny, too because. It's from child's perspective and we're in this weird age range where we happen to align really closely with the child character that Stephen King has written and the kind of. Weird Techno detritus of the ninety s, the nineties, a really particular kind of technological landscape, and we just happened to be skimming the same kind of pond here so if you're between the ages of I'd say probably like twenty, six and twenty, if not like I'm going to give it. To thirty. Yeah Yeah maybe that whole age range. If you read this book, you'll be like Oh. Yeah, things when I was a child so. Do that for a mean like we've been saying this for three episodes in a row. Read this one. This is I think the easiest recommendation we've had since like the shine. Oh. I mean nobody should go through summer and not be able to read this book. The books of the summer for me that I'll always remember are this and Rebecca. So this is. Maybe the most important thing I'll say this episode. We have to talk about Pepsi. Pepsi is maybe the Best Stephen King character up there with Cynthia Yeah. I've got I've got some reasons for that, so Pepsi is the nickname of churches. Best friend of the actual penelope or something doesn't matter. Pepsi rules so hard? Okay, so I got I got three very coherent reasons for this and you can find a flaw in my logic. Eat My hat, Phoenix, one Pepsi, best nickname, find me a better nickname than Pepsi so stupid so good to Pepsi swears like a sailor, and says wild stuff constantly case, point Pepsi's current favorite Swearword, and this is a direct quote from the book is Damn and blast. I can just like so perfectly. Imagine a weird twelve year old being like damn and blast like that's my favorite twelve year old, also three, Pepsi would like absolutely throw the first punch and a bar, fight and I respect that. Hung! Off Stephen King when I don't care what happened to Danny, torrance after the shining. I WanNa know what happened to Pepsi. Let's take you to sweet screams and get into the meat of it. We have this kind of roughly chronological, but also think we have this in order of how hard these hit. Obviously Phoenix took the best quote. which you'll understand when he reads it, but I want to lead in by saying that Stephen. King does really good things with dramatic irony in this book English Class Refresher dramatic irony is when you the reader knows something the characters do not, and we see it over and over and over again in this book where we have this bird's eye view of what Tricia doing right in what they're doing wrong and the outside world actually handle and her disappearance, and it's all in service of raising the stakes and chilling your bones. Here is a quote. She had done a great many things right since becoming lost more than she ever would have guessed, but this was a bad decision the worst she'd made since leaving the path in the first place. had. She crossed the marsh and climbed the Ridge. She would have found herself looking down on Devlin pond on the outskirts of Green Mount New Hampshire. Instead of finding the pond to turn toward the Canadian border and began walking deeper into the woods. Some four hundred miles ahead was Montreal between it and her. Not Much? I read that part and Harris. Just like Oh. No, where is this book going? Have I drastically underestimated? I did not think I. Read that section. shouted. And then immediately was like. Lauren who is my girlfriend Lauren? Stop working any read this thing like. Just absolutely breathtaking use of dramatic irony, I mean it's just all in service of raising. The stakes didn't like need to be there for the plot. It doesn't do anything to the actual story, but it makes the audience understand that like. Whoops also like if you walked in these woods, you know those steaks. You don't pat in your stomach because you know that if you're not allowed to p off the trail, expect to see people peeing on the trail because you will die. Yeah, there's just a it cannot be overstated. Other thing here. Some of Stephen King's best hallucinatory writing is in this book, which is insane because Stephen King does hallucination writing in every single bookie rights, but I would put money on this being one of his best. I'm partial to this segment. This is when she has been out in the woods for more than a week at this point. and she is just completely not with it anymore. She came to an old forest of Pines, through which the light slanted in ancient dusty beams like Sun rays falling through the high windows of the Cathedral. This might have been Thursday. From these trees hung the mutilated corpses of thousand deer, a slain army of deer, crawling with flies, and bulging with Maggots, Tricia closed her eyes, and when she opened them again the rotting deer. We're gone. And that went on for like. Two pages like there's so much stuff where Tricia gist sees. Some hot carbon edged. Really bad news and just has to go on. Honestly might be the most metal book we've read since like I. Don't know stand pet cemetery. This is up there. Yet, the like sunrays falling through the high windows of Cathedral I had to get out of a highlighter I was like Oh. That's going on highlighter role. Yeah, for sure on a note of metal. I picked just one quote because it's Kinda Long. To show how off the rails? This cutesy book gets at times, and how in freaking same the middle dream sequences if I'm. Yeah! The black robe pay attention. It pushed back its hood. There was no face. They're only a misshapen head, made wasps the crawled over each other, jostling in buzzing as the moved Tricia, saw disturbing ripples of human feature, an empty, I a smiling mouth. The head hummed is the flies had helmed deers ragged neck? It hummed his other creature. The black robe had a motor for a brain. I come from the God of the lost. It has been watching you. It has been waiting for you. Is your miracle. And you are, it's. Go Away, Tricia tried to yell this, but only a Husky winding whisper actually came out. The world is a worst case scenario and I'm afraid I'll send his true, said the buzzing wasp voice, its claws, rick slowly side of its head, goring through the insect flesh, revealing this shiny bone beneath. The skin of the world is woven stickers. Fact you have now learn for yourself beneath. There was nothing but bone and the God we share. This is persuasive. Do you agree? Yeah. This is an a book for metal scores. And I think one of the things that makes a great book for Middle. Score is a book that does not. Look down. On what? Kids are capable of understanding. Absolutely the I mean aside from even scary stuff like that. This book mentions a sexual relationship more than once. It mentions things that middle schoolers can understand without taking it to the point of like. Let's traumatize a kitten. Give him nightmares. Yeah, yeah, and I think that people forget a lot of people forget how scary being a kid is wick when your? Your imagination is at this peak, and you're at this kind of transition zone into adolescence. Where you're starting to grow into your big boy emotions, it's not hard to imagine being caught out in the scary situation and seeing and feeling things that are intense, i. think we do ourselves a great disservice as a culture when we ignore the intensity of childhood. Let's take it over to the web real quick. So. This book. Doesn't it's not like fraught with connections, but it has one little connection to other Stephen King books, and that creates this web that Stevens. GonNa describe for you. Yeah, all right, so let's break down. The reason we named this segment. The conspiracy web is a like I. Love the picture of like some Nerd, a dark basement putting all this up on a big Cork Board. You know that stereotype like Bass. The thing you've seen this almost sunny in Philadelphia Yeah. So here's a great example of how this works in the Stephen King verse so the girl who loved Tom Gordon exists within the TR system heavily referenced bag of bones. Whatever that's how main is, but also the Police Department in Castle Rock is heavily involved with the search efforts which means. we have connections to the bag of bones, and we have connections to Castlerock, which in turn means. We have the bag of buns connection giving us links Dolores Claiborne as well as Gerald's game, the castle rock. It's US connections to. Cujo the dead zone Sun dog, needful themes, the body, Shawshank redemption, and the dark half all of which take place in Castle Rock for some duration. Now add to that list all of the stories, which simply mention Castlerock, and you have creeped show pet cemetery, both grandma, and known from skeletons, crew, the stand and the midst note that I'm only listing books that would have been released by this date. That's not even touching the stuff that would come after. After nine, thousand, nine, hundred nine. That's only one degree of separation with two. We can tie in insomnia through bag of bones, pet cemetery, which have a shared character. The eyes of the dragon which features Randall Flagg as seen in the stand misery again mentioned in passing in bag of bones and the storm of the century, which is linked to delores clayborn. Geographically it all connects in one big dumb web. Stephen King originator of the mega. Franchise Super Universe. Fight me on it. I'm glad you mentioned is of the Dragon, too. Because this book is connected is the Dragon in one more way in that as of yet, they're the only two young adult books in the Pantheon Yeah. And that makes them special. Because a lot of people are going to use them as doorways to all these other books in the way that you just explained, people are going to get that in order, and you can see this an online communities where people talk about Stephen King Books Right when people talk about is the dragon or they talk about Tom, Gordon. You'll get this deluge of comments by people that are like. I loved that book, so I went out and sought out as much Stephen. King's I could, and now I'm like this. And as a podcast, or who is also like this? I, totally I love it, I dig. It is a great. I'm so glad that we get to share in this. His there's no good way to segue this. So, worth Goto Adam and Steve in the first half. Off. So we I always do a Christianity section like a Bible. Wasn't much in this book, but spirituality sure does insured who I wanNA talk about it. It's all over the boys I'll do more in my needful themes about the specific fantasies and the gods of TRICIA 's universe. But she certainly does talk about it a lot as do many people in peril, including atheists. One thing that she repeats over and over again for comfort is the our father. But she says she finds it as useless as a can opener, Steve, do you? Do you know our father Let me see if I can remember it, it's. Our Father. Who are have been how? I name. Kingdom come, they will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give this day or Read and forgiveness are. Passes as we get those who trespass scans US and lead. US Leon, temptation with deliver us from evil for about an hour and glory forever, so it's interesting because I was raised Catholic so mine I think end slightly differently than yours. Yours it for yours is. Oh God. That's a bleep. Sorry So it's her daily brand, because the trespasses US. People say it differently everywhere though I mean the baptists say forgive us our trespasses, but other people say forgive us our sins like people. Yeah, yeah I think the point is. To bring it back to this book. We're talking about real quick. Prayer in this book holds a really specific place. This book holds a kind of similar theology as desperation did and I think that it you really can at this point trace at to probably what Stephen King is likely to have believed these times. As much. Through after the accident and yeah, Oh, my God forgotten of big part of it. There you have belief in belief and faith, and all are all good, but they're not as useful as action, and I think that God in Stephen King novels is a god of Action Not a god of comfort. And do you see that in this book? And that's explained later in the story through a hallucination. She has where now stay with me. Her drunk science teacher called Bork. DORK in luminosity robe. Tells Perez book, rule. Tells her that. God gets busy. When he interferes with human affairs, so it was like an earthquake in Haiti. He can't help you. Get Out of these woods all despite the fact that he promised to leave humans alone. I can find textual evidence for his assertion that God said he would stay out of human affairs like in the New Testament. I don't think that's in there. Father is certainly in psalms, but. I think the point here is that. When she turns to God, she goes. Let's turn to something else, and we'll get more into that needful themes. These are the Bible parts that came up in this book. All right well, those are kind of our usual segments. I think we should take it over to the mid show before heading up our literary nouns. Well as our friends over at the old gods, pod say. Go complete the social media ritual facebook instagram twitter. Do We snap snapchat? Do we have we chat? We go now. Okay? None others Sh- my sweet boy shh. Hush Hush, now we do have a facebook. Do have an instagram twitter. We use those things primarily for the things. 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Is Nine hundred four hundred. Fairly on a hike in made left the trail. and. Make it back. She survives by sleeping under branches while she's we. saw busy sweeping. As on the man, she's the girl who the. Board. She's the girl who loved Tom Gordon. For parents. Policemen wishes Tricia successfully fishes story play. She misses the man on the now. Cheeses Chastised by WASP inverse her in Taio body hurts. She's dating. Quick be now. She's the girl who loved Tom Gordon. She's a girl who loved. Good. I. The bear s common strengthened by the world. She's from. She pitches fast lungs. Show. We'll be fine. She's the girl who loved. Order and said, before move onto an evil teams, fangs or anything. You want to say about that that little ditty that you you did for. That is the first one minute musical that was A. One Minute Long. And Be. That will actually be showing people in my real life music world, as it will be appearing on my e, which will be out in October, oh, under bar, super glad to hear it thanks for making it and putting on the program. I appreciate it and I appreciate you my sweet musical boy. Let's take your curly headed lovely. Take it over to need teams our literary analysis section. Wants, to go first well, I have a thing about this like very very literary, and you have a thing that somewhat psychological, so it doesn't matter to me. I I I'm really curious about what you wrote I. Didn't read what you wrote. And I wanNA hear it, so you should go first awesome I totally well, you know what for the first time we both didn't read each other Oh. Say Dude keeping it fresh idea, get all right. My timer is up and ready. You should go in three two one. So fantasy is a natural byproduct of trauma. The one to go native Americans storybook monster, who people was likely created to explain cannibalism during times of famine. Indeed. Many fairytales exists to explain deaths, addictions, institutional racism and sexism unwanted pregnancies, etc, this comes from the fact that people under duress create internal fantasies to deal with it, and those stories sometimes get validated, and then passed down. Starving people pretend to eat, so every fairy tale includes a feast dragons guarding the castles are oppression of women incarnate on a smaller scale. People in hospital beds watch intricate theater productions play out on their ceilings and severely isolated individuals create rich social networks. Children are perhaps the most prone to this mostly because they do not have a solid sense, the line between reality and non reality children are also used to fairy tales and fiction most through their media consumption involves new and old yarns, and they learn a very young age to comfort in self regulate with engaging colorful stories. This I think is the crux of the girl who loved Tom Gordon aside from a typical lost in the woods tale. This book is about how we use fancies and more strictly voluntary and involuntary elucidations to keep saying during extreme duress. Let's breakdown Tristesse main hallucinations, and how should be using them to feel better and survive? The perse person. She actually sees with her as Pepsi show her real-life summertime best friend, she's the ideal fantasy because she is real, and she has real unpredictable attributes, indeed Pepsi's presents throughout the story as an apparition as a voice in Tristesse head is defined by the phrase as Pepsi would say pep also bold and brave girl who swears talks about sex and climbs tall trees, girl that Tricia would do well to imitate when lost in the woods, her purpose is our inspiration, rationality and confidence when Tricia needs them. Also there's the sub audible. Her father describes God as the hub of your household appliances that while existent is hardly noticed, calls up the abominable at different times Tricia ignores pleads with and praised the suboptimal more I think is a connection to her father of an ESA true spiritual relief, it also provides lots of loosens and recognition of forces outside of her power that she will have to accept if she is to maintain hope in an ostensibly hopeless situation where we get wasp pet, etc, God I need more time. There's also the god of the lost this comes in the form of her science teacher in a robe, a deer and finally a bear. This committee interpreted three. Three apparitions their impact Arkansas Umberto. Forget forget about it, but these for these purposes will lump them into one the God the loss does not necessarily benevolent, but it turns out to be something to be defeated something that is a apparition, but also real, but also good, but also needs to be defeated. This is where these hallucinations start to break down and become less comforting in more fear which is actually pretty common, all loose nation writing, lastly of course most importantly, there's Tom Gordon at first Tom Gordon the pitcher offers companionship someone to talk to during eight long days of walking and someone to connect with during the red sox games that she listens to. Her only connection to the real world later he inhabits her as she battles. The God of the lost help the got, which is the bare helping her pitcher Walkman hard enough to do something. Tom Gordon is in some ways a reflection of Tristesse, inner self a mirror to her positive attributes. He's a hallucination of her at times, congratulates her for good thinking invalidates reasoning. He's the adult that lives within many preteens ready to take the wheel when the going gets rough when the story ends, he is who she impersonates when she's points to the sky, indicating that God which is to her, a helpful quarter, four of energetic fantasy. is to blame for her salvation. Yeah, get! That's crazy. Are you kidding me? Are you. Exactly the last second man God only acts in the ninth inning. My right FELLAS. Spell? What. was expected you to say it and I had to like. To worry about it, it's fine man. Cool Dude Yeah I mean. What I like about, this is that it really brings together two things that you know a lot about which is religion and psychology For me. What's interesting is that I had a very different read of some of these for me. The God of the lost was. Basically kind of a devil figure really never been evident. I can see where you're coming. From in terms of having antagonised to play against as it were is a useful thing for her, because she's in this survival situation but I always read that as like a pure boogeyman like. Like it as a Satan read, I liked I. Yeah, just down the line I am the bad thing that's going to happen to you. Because I just didn't really see. Comfort. In that power certainly, but not for her kind of against her. That's the only maybe critique I have on that read I. Love to hear the Critique I was actually surprised when the bear came up because I thought that the whole time. This feeling feelings hair on the back your next standing up this finding the animal parts Blah Blah Blah I was one hundred percent sure beer dealing with a mountain lion. It reads like a mountain line for me I knew it was a bare almost immediately. Really? Oh yeah the second. They mentioned like a gruff. Sound or whatever I was like. Oh bear. So, it's funny that that's. A little bit different than that's what's fun about books, but you're not going to talk about the the themes and the you're going out about the we're GONNA get into the bones of this bad boy and I'm very excited about it Let me know when you've got the time route because I am ready to roll. Five four three two. I want to talk about story structure. Wait, don't hit. Skip ahead. Your English teacher lied to you. Story structure is actually very interesting and useful. My first experience learning about story structure is like many other people in America from high school, probably lying sophomore year if I had to guess, it went something like this, imagine a long valley and the Lamest Drita shaped mountain, you can think of a story like the Dorito mountain you start in Boring nowheres Ville until something happens to make life, miserable or romantic, or whatever this is called the inciting incident because it inside story to happen for Tom Gordon. This would be trish leaving the path if Trish stays on the path, no Mount Dorito. Then for the bulk of the story, the plot happens, and the stakes get raised the main character until the author decide. It's time to hit the peak of the mountain, which point we have the climax someone wants describe the climax to me as the point at which there is the greatest uncertainty I love. That definition is the point at which everything comes to a head. After the climax, we have falling action, which is the fallout the climax and then we do the day. Newmont, which is French for untying, because this is the point all the will get sorted out this useful way of thinking. Thinking about stories because it applies to many good ones, it's also a very boring way of thinking about stories because it pretty much is. The bare bones approach to western storytelling. I did laundry because my clothes stink the laundry machine broke, but then I fixed it now. Everything's Okay is a classically valid story. I would not however tell it at parties, but we have to is the mountain because it's so ubiquitous whatever I think story structure gets interesting when we moved to more specific models. What's beyond Mount Dorito well? There are lots of cool ways to think about story structure that end up giving. Giving us very specific types of stories. Kurt Vonnegut was famously into this concept. He wrote a rejected anthropology. Master's thesis were he posited that if you charted the main character of a stories, emotional ups and downs of time, you ended up with a whole different host of structures. I'm partial to stories in his from bad to worse category where the main character starts out in a bad situation, and things get continually more terrible from there until the end where things are very very very bad pet cemetery is perhaps Stephen King's most famous bad doors story giving us the Cherry Mantra sometimes dead is better. Better. There are stories that end up right where they started absurd, his masterpieces such as waiting for Godot and the camp song. The bear went over the mountain. Some stories structures are culturally important. The Hero's journey, for example, as described by Joseph Cambell which we do not have time to get into gives us the original star wars trilogy, the Hobbit and Shrek. The girl who loved Tom Gordon Utilizes the ideal baseball game as a story structure, which is Super Cool, a protracted game attrition, the Pitcher, versus all the challenges of the other team, the knowledge that at any moment things could go to hell. One of the reasons why this is a great book is because it uses that structure also as the matic element. We get an insider glimpse at the bones of the story, and it's better for it. This is particularly what makes it a great introduction to horror for people in middle grades, because the entire Genre tends to use very specific, even formulaic story structures slasher films for example have very standard story formats. A bunch of teens do some bad stuff somewhere that they shouldn't and they all get killed except for one person who may or may not live. All of these stories fit into one structure. This is what I'm driving at. You love the stories. You probably hate some stories, though and often the unseen blame lies within the stories actual structure. SO PHOENIX! This is the point where I have no idea how much time I have left five. Oh. Okay, war! Cool! Let's open a conversation. I I WANNA. Say Stephen That was awesome. I secondly, WANNA stay I only know about the hero's journey from you. Show me youtube videos. That's so on brand. I like in your basement in DC. And I also want to say. That this, your little introduction to story structure actually put something into perspective for me about Stephen, king which is. Exactly how it's so much more scaffold than you could ever even pick out like you could never get into the actual brick goes on. Brett goes on brick and out I think the best example of this is the baseball structure because you don't watch a lot of baseball right I watch I watch enough to be familiar with how the game can feel when it goes well right so I've watched like. Thousand Baseball Games like yeah a lot and I listened to them on. Am Band radio also just like she doesn't this book? It gets so much more specific than that like the various specifics, the feeling of having a relief pitcher. Come in that you trust. Being used. Every single point in the book was just the I I was just knocked down by it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, do you WanNa Talk? You want to open a conversation, so I wanted to just talk about like because the thing is I, think when people talk about story structure. They get bored very quickly because they don't really feel the stakes of the conversation and for me that goes away when I. Talk about what it is for me right like for me. I don't care for inspirational stories for me. That trajectory doesn't feel true with inspirational stories. You'll often have this kind of like person starts out either mediocre or a little less than that. They get knocked down once or twice. They learn a thing about themselves. That thing sparks of really large improvement in their life, and by the end not only has there like wealth increased or whatever, but there are a better person that doesn't speak to me I. Don't like rid expectations. No like it's like. It just doesn't do it for me. That's not how I've seen people's lives go. It always ends up feeling trite for me, but that's you know that's some people's real life experience so for them. It might not feel trite and the difference is like. In the actual books of the story, it has nothing to do with pros at has nothing to do with whatever. I think a lot of horror people that complain about movies being boring. Are Actually responding to it, not having the structure that they wanted it to have. What kind of story do you like? So I'm a big fan of big depressing. like Russia style. A bunch of bad things happen in a row. A big fan of that I really love. Easily the ones that are like the big ones for me are stories about descent into like obsession or madness or ambitious, or whatever I really love the classical Greek. Fatal flaw that someone just like doubles down on over and over and over again until the ruined that. Just brings me a lot of joy. You know I can't wait for you to read Moby Dick. I can't. I cannot wait. What about you? Oh. Yeah, so I'm an absolute sucker for to specific kinds of stories, and there's also truth Pacific kinds of stories that I just can't even bother with the ones I can't even bother with one just like inspirational stories. I don't WanNa. I. Don't WanNa faith-based work I don't WanNa work. It's like Yup where wow everything works out to I do not care about plots that are driven by the fact that one of the characters is so rich that fun stuff can happen. I only read books about poor people exclusively and I don't have. I do not have. exceptions what about Wolf of Wall Street? Okay so okay. I because I know you like that movie, and that's the exact problem that I have with that movie. I. You're right I. Lied I love is lost. What's interesting about that? Story is not that people are ripped with about that story is a descent into obsession and madness oh okay. He, he. The money to him is a prize. It's numbers on a screen. That are you don't his ego, he the spending of the money he actually doesn't. He's not doing that after a while. It doesn't get him off to stay are now. Here's what I like. My first story that I freaking love. Story type is normal. People do normal things, but the pros is gorgeous. Examples Steinbeck's, paths of Heaven. normal people by Sally something Gilmore Girls I like with the way it said is wonderful and the plot isn't. I love it I ne-. Yes, but everyone who loves Gilmore Girls knows what I'm talking about. Second is travel. Literature traveled with Charlie. The stand bill bryson's walk in the woods things that are we went to this place and I here's what I think and to this place, and here's what I think. Make me able to read and read and read and flip pages interesting, and those are both structural right. Those are both things. That I wouldn't have thought of because not in my wheelhouse and I. Don't know them well enough to know what the bones look like. Got Him we had this conversation. Thank you for dodging me on that. Do you WanNa? Take it to which one do I shoot? Sure. So, there's no movie The one has been in development for a while under Andrew. Child, as executive producer, this one's super needs movie I mean the the screenplay writes itself. You could do with like no budget. You just need one knockout. Performer to play Tricia and you need a convincing look alike for Tom Gordon. Let's all you need Tom Gordon is also out there like you could young. Age, Tom Gordon foreshore. Yeah! I don't know that that's true. I should check. He's alive, but he's not that old. He would be like you. Came, real quick quick. Tom Gordon is he's fifty two. He's doing great. Thank God Yo Shots Town Gordon glided doing all right out there. Go the flash all right so. This book however is an adaptation already of another book. Even Stephen King. Does it mean it that way? This book is beat for beat. All the major beats most the minor beats of a book that is called lost on a mountain in Maine. I Don Bendler. Stephen, have you read this book? Nope, never heard of it if you're from Maine you've read this book, I. Mean It's it is everywhere on every shelf. It's in every home it's it's the Bible essentially up there It's kind of like a children's ISH book like. Chapter Book. A third grader can read it. Yeah, it's like hatchet Kinda deal exactly. Yeah, like actually. Hatchet is partially inspired by this book. So in nineteen thirty nine dot guy named Dan Fender was twelve. He got lost on. Mount Katahdin for nine days. Notice how similar that is. TRICIA ordeal. He lost the same number of pounds Tricia and was also quite sick when he was found following, he followed telephone lines in the woods near Stacey Ville. Like tricia he. has encounters with wildlife including a religious encounter with a bear. At Eight. That's a little too close to not via direct link. It's it is i. mean once you read it. You can read in like forty five minutes. It is beep for be. He sleeps under trees and tree boughs along the way he finds nuts and berries to keep from starving like Tricia. He gets dried gestion problems from bad water. His clothes get ripped up. He covers his bug bites and mud. His story makes headlines. It's all very close it's it's essentially an adaptation of that book. Fengler however was awarded a medal of Honor by Roosevelt. He be came. A public speaker talked about his experiences for seventy five years I saw him talk. unlike bag of Bones Tom Gordon doesn't acknowledge. It's deep relationship to another piece of literature, and after a lot of googling. I think I'm the first person to point this out. Mazal Tov congratulations, thank you. They changed. The gender of the protagonist moved the year of sixty years exactly like almost to the day. And an epilogue other than that. If you feel like reading Lawson in Maine, do it July twenty fifth, which is coming up after like close after his episode comes out, is Don Fengler Day. That's a good day for it. rest in peace on vendor yeah hey. Thank you Don Fowler what you lived through is incredible and what you did with that knowledge for literacy in Maine is even cooler. Shouts. Don Fengler the man the myth to legend. This episode is dedicated to don absolutely I was going to say this. One's for you Do you WanNa? Bring it to battle. The books sure do. This is the segment where we discuss which book was better, the one that we read or the one that we read Jess prior so this will be bag of bones. Just a beast versus the girl who loved Tom Gordon. I think we're on the same side of this one, but I'm interested to hear your new wants on it. So If you started awarding points for good and ticking away points for bad obviously Tom. Gordon would win because. Bag of bones is half good half, really good and half kind of upsetting. Yeah, wear Tom. Gordon is absolutely delightful, maybe flawless. that's where I'm coming from yeah. So. I feel like my contention on this is that? Bag of bones has kind of analytic depth to it. That Tom Gordon doesn't bag of bones as juggling more themes. It's asking more questions. But it doesn't those don't always play out well or at all and everything that Tom Gordon sets out to do. It does like knocking pins. It's like I did. We talk about God. Check all right. Do We talk about baseball? Yes, we look at escapism. Yes, we did all right. Pack it up. Boys like it's just. It is exactly the book that it seems to want to be. It's also not a risk now. Baghlan recommend this book pretty much to anyone yet. If you're if you have a beating, heart four limbs. Don't even need that. You just need a brain that is functioning. To like it it probably my most recommended book outside of. of mice and men. I never read it before. It's been in my house for so long, and you know what the shame of it always is. It was in my house when I was a kid and I was like I'm not that into baseball so I never read it. That is a shame that's Ooh if I could go back I'd be way into literature, and even more into Baseba- I've been watching youtube videos of Tom Gordon for like two weeks. Look really good saves. That's awesome, if I if I had had I would've, I would've been like a Hor- baseball cow me, yeah, absolutely. I think Tom. Gordon has to win it just because it's not. Like I can't think of a single finger. Does Rog wait? That's a lie. There is one cultural touchstone. That is very Stephen King's childhood that Tricia has no right knowing about. With that she mentioned something relating to menstrual at some point. Oh Yeah, because she show mud all over her skin, and is like Oh. Yeah like menstrual, but the thing is that that would have been deeply apart of Stephen King's cultural legacy, but had been like buried by the time nineties. Kids were thing a great point. Actually flawless is ridiculous to say. TRICIA also like. uses phrases about sexuality that. Like or definitely not from her time she also thinks and says things sometimes that don't are either nonsensical or too mature for her. Because the narrator has to get a point across, it's not flawless. It's an ad ninety nine out of a hundred it, so it's like so close. That it's pretty much what you're going to get like, there is no such thing as flawless media it's you're never going to have something that is perfect, and this is I think as close as you can reasonably get. Yeah, this is as close as we've ever gotten Yo on the program. Certainly not yet asked so I think yeah. I think Tom. Gordon has to take it Do you WanNa? Take you recommended readings shirt shrewd do. So Mine's obvious I will not be taking airtime away from Boston amount in Maine. Please go buy this book. The money still goes towards a his family and Baxter State Park and like literacy in Maine Or. You can find it literally anywhere. You can find so many videos of Don Fengler himself reading it. You can get on audible with Don. pedler himself reading it. lost on a mountain in Maine Don Vendor. So this is going to be a strange poll, but bear with me. I'm going to recommend the movie rocket man directed by Dexter Fletcher and released in two thousand nineteen I. Say this because this is another piece of media that is nearly perfect in its structure. Everything that happens in rocket. Man has a very specific purpose. It tells you something about the characters a- generally moves the plot forward, and it's telegraphed from beat one. What is going to happen in the end? But you still have this deep sense of tension. It has a very similar structure, and then it's like okay. I kind know how this ends. It's kind of a fairytale vibe to it. But. Every step along the way fits into the structure of what a kind of addiction tail is going to look like from this very specific perspective, so go check out that movie. Get into the bones of it all right there at the surface for you to look at. It was the screenplay was written by Lee Hall Lee Hall. You killed. It killed it. So good, go check out that movie. That I haven't seen this movie. Oh my God. You should watch it right. I Love Elton John Oh. It's so good I loved Terry Nickerson. Yes it. Okay Phoenix. I'm telling you this now. As a friend, regardless of the fact that we're recording a podcast right now, just forget it. Forget all the equipment all the editing. Flush it out flushing out. Phoenix friend your friend. This movie is going to make you cry. Watch appease united. Cujo believe it. Fun Fact Corner. Your, First Fun Fact Jorge Romero for his Stephen King adaptations had a movie all planned out for this book before he died. His executors do not have those plans. What could have been sad? Mine is in the nine hundred ninety eight ninety nine season Tom Gordon led the American league. East and Games finished and set an MLB record for saves So in the same year. This book was published. He set the record for saves, but after it was published, so Stephen King didn't know that Tom Gordon was going to set the record for saves and have salvation be like his symbol in the book so cool so so cool! If you don't know us, save is a a save is when you're already winning, and your team brings you win in the last inning to make for damn sure you don't get overtaken. Anyway which is the survival, it's literally survival. Stephen King You Madman We also have exciting news about next week's bonus content phoenix. Do you like to tell us? What are mysterious archivist Bryant has for us? Monasteries archivist Bryant went ahead and sent me a essay. Called Fenway in the white whale or fenway. Moby, Dick, or something like that I've I. Battalion won't be sick for a reason for a while which was an essay that was published at the all American game or the L. American East game. In the like the the program they had. They published a Stephen. King Essay in the program at this baseball game like eighty thousand people were at. And I'M GONNA. Read that Short Essay in its entirety. And discuss it. Yeah, that is some Niche Stephen. King content. We'll have it read free on its entirety We'll probably chat about it afterwards or something. Stick around next week for that after that will be reading on writing, we are going legend to legend on this bad boy. We have a lot of special stuff planned for you than stick with us. Hit that. Subscribe Button whatever we'd like to thank all the people that have been involved. I would like to thank Michaela Fishman for doing graphic design. 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Episode 30 - The Tommyknockers Part 2

The Stephen King Boo! Club

54:23 min | 1 year ago

Episode 30 - The Tommyknockers Part 2

"It's either all an accident or all fate. It's the Stephen King Boo club. Forty four seconds. Executions kitson's sick burns on Gardner. I'm glad it's there. I just wish I didn't have to read it multiple times. You do it. It's just a lot you know. Yeah I'm Steven Indra. Sano in dime Phoenix CENEX Crockett. And this week we are finishing out. The Tommy knockers published in nineteen eighty seven. And now I will take the main points back in haven this fire on the town line nine explodes. This garners. The attention of the main state police which in turn prompts full defense mode for the beleaguered haven nights air in Stephen is replete with noxious fumes and that atmosphere changes drastically Datatech so outsiders cannot safely enter a reporter. Rents an air tank. Thank to enter and check out the scene and obviously against the haven nights now closer to full transformation. Status are becoming more alien like every day there contractions become more complicated. The reporter is killed by one of the defense contraptions and behave nights lose to their own and they send out to routines to secure DC batteries as it turns out there were no longer able to breathe in normal atmospheric conditions. The back of her property bobby is deteriorating. She is obsessed with becoming one to ship. For herring teeth fallout in. She is unable to form. ORM fully baked sentences. Peter the Beagle is tortured by his transformation and is kept as life-giving juice aliens. Bobby brings several people people around the shed for mysterious purposes mainly Skilling Peter's life force and giving it to them Bobby's narcissist sister also shows up instance instance. She like guard has played in our skull. She survives the noxious fumes. Just fine unfortunately bobby partially consumes her sister with an alien tentacle. Regina Guard realize it is though the Alien Zombie. Ghost things are intelligent. They don't understand the basics of electricity Pity they've gotten thousands of batteries instead of simply converting existing power lines to direct current. There was a flashback scene to win. Guard saw what was in the shed. Peter's body in a classic giant Vile Bobby's sister and Danny's grandfather EV- guard returns and finds not. Bobby not bobby takes guard into the ship as her final human kindness for the bodies of the ancient aliens whose who's ghosts have now taken over. Preside they seem to have died of infighting when they escape. The futuristic seen may have a tense conversation at the kitchen table and then guard mercifully shoots and kills not bobby. After a misfire she tells tells the townspeople to come to her as she died. Guard escapes to the shed as the townspeople. Descend he freeze. And Bobby's very okay sister and tries to save Peter Eater but will hear more about him later. Ed filmon grandfather to Danny. The boy transported to alter for helps guard escape on the condition that he sends Danny back home from his imprisonment and the time space continuum guarded beaten half to death by the townsfolk. Anyway before finally getting to the clearing for the ship entrances once there he uses a kill command on psychically activated computer to get some of the haven nights who he calls. Tom Mhm yakkers off his trail. Also figures out how to transport. Billy backed where his brother is at the hospital. He d connects three being batteries. Batteries don't worry about it. We we don't have time and gets curb stopped by multiple tommytucker creations once finally inside the ship to use his his site heated. Tell it to fly into deep space in the epilogue. The remaining Tommy knockers either commit suicide or as After being deprived of the poisonous air that was apparently only being provided by the ship's presence. Who and there you have it? Just a normal plot from a normal book. Let's go to full darkness structure. Did you notice that. That's the first time that I managed to call full Arcnord structure before you launched into something. I think worth worth professionals. I finally got you on the rains. There I'm so happy joke. Wait Phoenix man. That Star Wars prequel got weird fast fast. Nice another thing that I wanNA say. Is that Stephen King wouldn't go to a for the first time or go cold Turkey for a few more years here so we only really get a few more quite like this with this level gun sobriety. I've BEEN READING OUR OUR NEXT book considerably more sober so really you know just kind of soak this in. Yeah it really. Really get into the weirdness of this book and you know what I'm I'm GonNa go on record here. I liked this book. This is a good book. I mean it's it's definitely super weird but unabashedly out there I I mean it's not high literature but I would earnestly recommend it to anyone looking for like a genuinely unpredictable. Read and I will die on on this hill preferably by getting crushed by a souped up vending machine. I really liked to I. Yeah definitely I would recommend it to people if theralac down for Weird Shit. Yeah if you have a friend. WHO's looking for weird fiction? Be like Stephen King wrote a really out there book. It's called the Tommy knockers. Go check it out. Like don't renew reviews. I though no absolutely not just a fun game would be to to help someone that this is representative of his entire body of work and then just send them off wind him up and let them go so we've been testing out new sections yet last last time we premiered the IT department which will be making a return this week because it kind of has to and this week we are going to introduce a segment. I've wanted to do for a long time. It's something we're calling the conspiracy web. So you've all seen the medium team of the it's always sunny in Philadelphia character. We Day the winning at the wall with covering like red wine. That's what this is. This is frantically pointing at a wall and connecting dots between Stephen King Story Bisley WANNA point out connections in in his books to the rest of his universe because the more books we read the more universal is to make connections to es and people kind of talk about the towels man is being the winch pin for. Oh this brings everything together and I would make the argument. That the Tommy knockers. Does a lot of legwork because good Lord. y'All there is so much other Stephen King Universe stuff in the Tommy knockers just thrown out off hand. It's almost the finale to the I. I like section of his work carried. Yeah yeah totally so. Let's run down the list that we have. We have nine distinct points. which is it's crazy to me? So let's let's just bounce back and forth Phoenix take the first one sure Tummy Hawkers offhandedly confirms that the Arrowhead Project object from the mist was nuclear reaction facility in the midst. We didn't know what it was and is mentioned in the first couple pages of this book. This is a good one to lead with because this happens a lot in Stephen King books where he will directly reference the other books in his bibliography. But he'll do it in a way. That makes it clear that things didn't go down exactly like that in this book. So the fact that they mentioned the Arrowhead Arrowhead project but nothing really has happened with. It means that we're either pre the events of the missed or that the events of the mist just flat out didn't happen and you'll see that a lot in this list so to the town of dairy is mentioned a lot as specific characters from dairy. We'll get into more of that. That down the line three the shop from fire starters back and they play a big goal role in the cleanup of this crazy story that they do Four Johnny Smith from the dead zone comes up so remember what I said about number two. We must be in the good time line because in this one. He apparently successfully asphalt Kilson which didn't happen in the dead zone. If you'll remember the finale of that was he doesn't manage to commit the assassination as a nation but still send takes a kid and uses them as a bodyguard and that kills his presidential run than in how it happened. In the Tommy knockers. The Universe Bruce. Yeah that got me Kinda fucked up. Also Cujo is mentioned about that rabid dog from castlerock. Pennywise is POPs up a few times people talk about visiting Darrien going past storm drains and hearing going even though he'd be dead at this point in time one on but that doesn't matter it's fine it's growing about about it. Problem is problem is you're thinking about you. Don't get another thinking about. I don't think about it. You GotTA The empty your brain make it. A big Ole Empty Jelly sack like people's bodies after they become and just just you know. Turn off your mind. Relax and float downstream aiming. I mean Stephen should also take the next one. So that are back and forth makes you end on the last one. Oh absolutely yeah for sure for sure for sure so so this isn't really a connection but it is a cool kind of trope thing. It's super hard not to connect the magical typewriter in word processor if the gods as well as in bout of flexible bullet to the magic typewriter deal that we talked about it in part one. There's a there's a magic Sifi Hi fi typewriter in this one. It glows green. It's great our one and who could forget. The Talisman Guard ends up washed up drunk by the shoreline of the Alhambra in where he means. Kind of Jesus. Travelling Jack Traveling Jack they have like a short conversation about sobriety. The and then guard doesn't take any of it in because that's how guard do also Jack says in this heart. Yeah my mother's a severe alcoholic and I was like I don't remember that as part of it just writes things about his own characters because you can cause who's GONNA is wrong. He says own uses the author. Like what are you going to is it. I wrote it all right. Okay so alright so okay so the reason that this exists in this episode third is because there was a one off line that has had me fucked up every single day since we read this which is the following a character character mentions that they feel like a character from the movie. The shining specifically Jack Nicholson's character from the shining they do like Years Gardner or whatever I don't even know where to start with that. That makes zero God damn sense. Because you're you're telling me so if there's a movie version of the shining that means that there's gotta be a fictional Stephen King but there's already a fictional Stephen King analog in the characters from it but and then did the events of the Shining Act because we know that the shining happened in the Stephen King verse their connections to you in misery and misery has connections to other Stephen King Books. So what how how is this. Doesn't what Stephen King what I'm spinning out. So basically in the Tommy knockers universe. The movie the shining is a bio-pic about a real life famous. Yeah we're we're Jack. Nicholson who we can only assume as the same Jack Nicholson you can only assume him. He's injured dimensional. Yeah Jack Nicholson exists in the Stephen King verse. That's really all I had to say on that but yeah to what just what it. Yeah Yeah I don't know I'm I'm burned out we'll do this segment again rolls in and I'll be real stressed about it then to Let's move onto onto sweet screens are best of section. I thought there was some pretty exceptional weird in writing sections in this. I did to do you want. What do you want to start with what I've got a pretty good opener here all right? Why don't you? Why don't you open this bad boy up age? Five hundred forty four zero so there is a section here where the Tommy knockers thing is finally only beat to death and also Gardner is. He's in. He didn't spaceship he's in he's in the ship and I'm just GonNa read until I feel like I can't anymore. But they basically mixed the Tommy knockers rhyme with. Oh I remember this Christmas allow me. Yup I wish you I wish you would. I dare of it. I think it's really good late last night and the night before and over the river and through the woods Tommy knockers. Tommy knockers knocking at the door. To Grandmother's House we go. They look so quiet but they ain't quite dead. The horse knows the way to carry the SLEIGH. You get that Tommy knocker flew inside your head. Over the frozen fields of snow with Doggerel girl chiming in his head. Gardener crawled up the corridor. Pausing wants to turn his head and vomit. The air in here was still pretty fucking rank. He thought a miner's Canaria would already be lying at the bottom of its cage alive only by an inch or so now. I will point out that it wasn't the air that made him do that. It was that stupid. Goddamn Writing Convention Stephen King. What are you doing what are you can't just mash up your one? Rhyme with the the Christmas thing what are you doing what is this. There's an icy note book. I know that all that said I do love it. I WANNA tattooed on my face. I wanted on t shirts. I WANNA on billboards. I think it would make a great like Tumbler. Aesthetic Post. I I want to hear the actual match up. You might not know this but Stephen Makes mashups has one of his main hobbies. Yeah I wanted to vary not copyright. I'd say probably won't be appearing on this feed but what if you find that elsewhere on the Internet it was probably me because that's very renisha here turn all right. That is a great way to kick us off. Thank you so much. I'm going to take us to some body horror and there's some really solid body horror in this. It's weird you gotta be down for it to be weird. But there is a section that I'm going to talk about and then Phoenix is GonNa Talk About Wherein Bobby Abi is confronting her like definitely a textbook narcissist sister who has come down to take her out for her own reasons in this confrontation. Bobby has just come out of the shower and her sisters noticing. Some physical changes that have occurred. it's it's intense quote. The shower had washed off the makeup. Bobby's entire head and neck. Were transparent. This parent and Jelly like her breasts had swelled Bulb Asli outward and seem to be merging into one single nipple list outcropping shopping of flesh and could see dim. Oregon's in bobby stomach. That looked nothing at all like human organs. There was fluid circulating circulating in there. But it looked green. Behind bobby's forehead. She could see the quavering sack of mind. Bobby grinned toothless quavering sack of mind. Good good album name. Good sentence in general general. I love it. The craftsmanship here in the body horror. I enjoy a lot the idea of this kind of vaguely jellyfish. She knew used to be person. I think is a really compelling gross out body horror image. I dig it dig at Phoenix now. Stephen I'm going to read the rest of the page which I okay now. We're going to talk about this after you talk about this and I think we have different opinions on this so you go for it. And then we'll cue the get people in to what we're thinking Bookham to haven an. She said she felt herself stepping backward in spongy dream. She is trying to scream cream. But there was no air at Bobby's Crotch a grotesque thatch of tentacles like sea grass wavered from her vagina. Yup Up place where her vagina had been. Anyway and ally Dea if it was still there or not and didn't care the sunken valley which had replaced laced crotch was enough that the way the tentacles seemed to be pointing toward her reaching for her. Yeah man this sure exists this sector exists. Here's the thing I know you didn't like that. I I thought it was kind of charming. Charming and how off the walls batch. It it was. This is some like Weird Tales terrify. Find it in the back of the like cartoonish. Gross out fifties fucking Mayo in Catalog sci-fi book I I I lo- I mean it was. It's stupid I loved it. How many beers in with Stephen King would you have to be before you said? Hey remember when in Bobby aiders Sister Regina tentacles man I okay listen say what you will. It's disturbing oh get the point across it's disturbing and here's what we know about Stephen King's writing style. Oh he doesn't plan this shit he just sits down and he writes until he finds his way to the right thing. That's supposed to happen next. It's like how he does it. Which means ends that he had written this confrontation? He had come all the way to the end of this chapter. And he's like. I know that bobby has to capture her sister. Anne and I we know that she has grossly turned into an alien monster. Like how is this GonNa work in his consciences like dog. I got you. I'm not saying I wish it wasn't there. I'm glad it's there. I just wish I didn't have to read it multiple times. I was I man honestly like so you will it stuck with me. I was like yeah sure pump dignity I like it. I'm going to read just the first part of the epilogue because I think it's very Stephen King. I also want to see what it reminds you of do it. Most of them died in the fire. Not all one hundred or more never reached the clearing at Paul before the ship pulled itself out of the ground in disappeared into the sky. Some like Lt Barker who had gone flying. His motorcycle did not reach it. Because they had been wounded or your killed on the way fortunes of war others like actually revolved an old Miss Timms. who was the town librarian on Tuesdays and Thursdays? We're simply too late or too slow. What does that be remind you of? Because there's three pages of just that I to me. It reminds me of the back half of care exactly first of all it's very Harry. It's incredibly Kerry. It's also there's some sections in Salem slot that feel like this. It's it's a really good writing style but kind of strategy to handle your you know falling doing action like this where the most important thing has happened. The climax has been reached. You have a bunch of loose ends to tie up and you can just do it representativity you know you so you say okay. Well we don't know exactly what happened to every person I'm not going to list it out but here's what happened to a broad swath of them in quick succession. Here's the vibe of what went down all right. We got two more things. They're both yours. Won't you go ahead and take a my man. I think only have one more thing so I'm GonNa end with this one because it's it's kind of a thesis of the book in My opinion and it's also in what I think is the most down to Earth section of this book Bobby has just returned earned from the spaceship with guard so they went down there for the first time to check it out and they're having this tense conversation Asian at the kitchen table about kind of you know where we're at now guard tells bobby that all that could have been avoided if she just not chosen to dig up the metal which is where we begin. Bobby laughed softly. Man The idea that whether or not to dig something like that up could ever be a function of free. Will you might be able to stick that to a kid in high school debate but we out on the Porch Guard. You don't really think a person chooses something like that do you. Do you think people can choose to put away any knowledge once. They've seen the edge of it. I I had been picketing nuclear power plants on that assumption. Yes Gardner said slowly. Bobby did away. Societies may choose not implement ideas. Actually I doubt even that but for the sake of argument will say it's so but ordinary people know guard. I'm sorry sorry. When people see something sticking out of the ground they got today gone it they got to dig on it because it might be treasure? Yeah that's pretty good. That's good. It's western basically. It's the shootout moment right before everything goes to Shit Shit Neuro. I ain't big enough for the two of us. It's that moment. I think that's a really beautiful partner. I think it really also relates back to the opening of a piece which which Yeah we explained that are right. It's all an accident or it's all fate. Yeah I agree. I've got one more thing to do before we go to the mid show we we have an update on pet cemetery themes team's GonNa talk about Donald so bad news so last time you'll remember that I had talked to you guys about Peter who's a very good dog. He went missing. I was sure it was going to be fine it wasn't fine. Listen I don't know how to say this. So let me. Just let me put it this way. Dan You know batteries batteries are thing will peter turned into one in In like a Green Vat he was in green. VAT turns out this. This is one of the big twist of the book. Peter good old dog Beagle Suspended Green Vat still alive Kinda matrix like you know and anytime and people were going out into the shed to like get healed up whatever it was because they were like hooking up onto Peter's like life energy or whatever his I don't know it might maybe maybe his soul dogs might have souls Listen it got bad so Thanks for Peter now now say Peter didn't It wasn't good. It wasn't this wasn't a good book for Peter. Peter didn't have a good time in this one so so Hopefully next time he does not have cemetery tation so no no but he's not like us not in the VAT anymore. So that's true. He's not into that. Yeah so anyways. Yeah so that's a silver lining. We're GONNA take it to the mid show. Hopefully next pet cemetery segment The dog won't end up in suspended animation. So here we go. Hey Hey guys welcome to the mid show so we've got one or two really cool things going on here and then we'll move on to the rest of our episode so we're going to do our usual social media plug which is to say that we have a facebook page. It's a lot of fun. A lot of our content routed through there and the community starting to really grow grow on that specific platform which is great. We've got an instagram. Which is where? I'll be posting more of those drawings and also just. Aj Fun stuff and twitter which is a twitter twitter works. You exist on on the Internet a patriotic if you want to support monetarily and if you can't support US monetarily please towel like one or two of your nerdy friends to come on and join. The BOO club Phoenix Tell us about our calls from beyond this week. So for those of you who have heard our carry episode our very first guest premier first figuring out. This podcast was my sister and when I asked Mr what other pieces she wanted to come on for she said Tommy knockers so here we are a year later. She has different taller now more piercings. She's going through that teenage teenage phase. See how the seas in turn and she wants to talk for every people we should have like to me Oh a Carey Yunky segment and a segment is born my friends you just watch the magic happen live. Hey Anyway Before we come to that all right you guys are going to hear more about that later before we Burger Virgo that segment. I do have a shoutout to fan. Who contacted us on instagram? Leonardo popped up and wanted to save fat fat. They found us on spotify on Monday and had finished listening to all of our episodes. That's awesome shoutouts to Leonardo They wanted to specifically shout out the LGBT stuff that we talk about early on It's important to my identity and also just isn't something that has a lot of space in the horror community online which is fine. We're bringing it into that space of the things that are great eight. We got his Stephen King Origin Story which is always fun. He says that his first memory of Stephen King is watching a rerun of it in the early nineties. Probably when he was around five and then moving to goosebumps and then jumping back to Stephen King so he super excited for us to talk about dream catcher and the dark half and he is from Portugal. That's where he's listening from so we have another country on the board. Stick the pen in. WE'RE NOT GONNA stop to get everywhere. Wear including Antarctica. I know you're up there and articles I am down there. Oh no you down there anyways. Leonardo Nardo I'd like to formally hand you a medal for being probably the fastest. Listen through a Var. Complete work started on Monday. That means you did an entire workweeks worth listening. That's a speed. Listen if I've ever seen one solid job Leonardo Yeah that's what I've got to bring from. Yeah from the Social Media Fray let's take it to the call us from beyond welcome back L.. CROCK Getting your own Hello listeners we we're here with L. A.. Who was our first call from beyond ever on our carrier mentioned that she wanted to come back for? Tommy knockers episode. They Hi Ella. So there's a couple of things I wanted to bring up l.. And one of them was what you mentioned. Was your our favorite scene in the book just told me about it all right. So the scene is somewhere in the beginning of the book And it always so a little off. I guess. kind of out in left field makes sense for Stephen King but It's the hillman birthday. Stay Party so the older brother for accessing is magic tricks Show his parents who aren't very attentive and after his birthday party he performs one of his magic trick on her younger brother Danny and Danny just kind of disappears disappears into a separate dimension. And there's always from very it to me doc is Eddie like just the proof and then also what's the first thing you remember about the book and you think of that book. What immediately POPs ops in your mind Well Johnny Tentacles Yeah I mean immediately comes to a lot of people's minds As we discussed earlier in this episode okay but you haven't heard yet because It can't be released until we complete the radio I Hate Guard and and I sit on him a lot. Do you have a problem. With having a protagonist who's like an abusive pizza share. Do you think it makes very interesting. Curio I see both sides of the argument I'm a sucker for an interesting semi main character And he's he definitely fits the bill for interesting even though you Kinda do sure that's true. He's not boring. Whatever he is right right all right listeners? I'm going to go make a pie because Elliot's from joining me for Thanksgiving. y'All are going to be listening to this during Thanksgiving Week. Ellen going to be together talking about our Stephen King if you are American and celebrate this holiday and if it is generally a happy time for you you know happy holidays and we hope you enjoy. If it's generally it's time for you kick back with your king enjoy the fact that we appreciate you ellen. I nine years and years and yeah all right and we are back we're going to go to the IT Department or the IT Department. I had it. How are saying? Yeah we haven't the style was still up on that one. We'll get back to you all right take it away. You're all right man so So we got a lot to talk about this. I'm just GONNA quickly quickly get through it. This book includes vending machine. The kills like three people zips around crushes them leg rapes being stopped on to make one. It's almost incomprehensible opera. Hannibal than read because Stephen King never describes exactly how it's supposed to work but it does murder multiple named characters shoutouts that vending machine machine also. This book includes a souped up Buggy with a chainsaw attached to its front that seeks. EEG waves which is What you one way to measure thought patterns is eeg waves can like smell those or something and it's like ooh I want to go that way? It's like an evil roomba basically and it goes up. And it's like ran ray ray and that also gets a one Kale that we know of also miniature flying saucers made out of I wanNA say smoke detectors was it smoke detectors there were there. Were smoke detectors. Also I wanNA point out Evil Roomba so you mean just our room just normal. No one teach room buzz how to kill they will come after US anyway. It's all at least somewhat somewhat psychically controlled okay and I do have one more thing. This one's a doozy so subtle in there. Is this mind controlled item. Sometimes the Times described as being like an umbrella sometimes described as a WHIRLIGIG. So do with that. What you will? which can spin in circles is really really fast and shoot light green fire if you use your mind to program a computer inside the shed to execute a destroy command demand? The computer screen will then fill up with the number nine The computer is of course powered by two human beings in a dog and suspended animation. And if you think that Stephen King is going to explain elaine any of this and how it works. You're dead fucking wrong. But Tommy knockers baby. All of this is real stuff that happens in this book. I didn't make any of that if anything. This is less exaggerated than in the source text. And you got to hear it. I'm assuming in a comfortable setting the YEP that you are comfortable in. I was reading this in a busy airport with lots of like the lights in like technology. I'm already kind of afraid any not so good mood man. Yeah I mean this book is Buck Wild everything about it. Is You guys here. After the heard the words Vagina Tentacles Evil Roomba Dogu battery. I mean hey. Let's check chicken for a second. It's the Stephen King Mental Health Club. How are you how are you doing and just a lot? Komo yeah all right. Let's head onto needful themes are literary analysis section. I've been so excited to get this one on the road because I actually actually learned something. I didn't just information that was already in the back of my head. Man Learning something from a book. Tell me more so I want to mind if I go I by the way. Yeah please timer set up too soon. Nice go lured Byron and Gardner as a byronesque hero. Not Ironic byronesque. We'll go the Byron so we modern media consumers the protagonist as the villain trope is almost overdone. How we've seen a tight in television more Walter White Frank Underwood and film Patrick Bateman and psycho Alex from a clockwork orange? Those are also books. Whatever who reads books that these ideas evolved from an older literary tradition of having leading eating males be not crazy evil but gigantic ask? Wads Byron was perhaps the first to do this and the Gigantic asphalt had his writing was essentially himself in child heralds pilgrimage. This inspired Satan in paradise lost as well as heathcliff in weathering heights. The the Phantom in Phantom of the Opera Rochester in Jane Eyre the pedophile guy whose name I'm forgetting and low Lisa. Mona Gin in Pushkin Lint James Bond etc etc.. James Gardner is not as magnificent as all that. But he's brave. He's tragic he's stone-faced he's addicted and most importantly he's a huge piece of shit. It and I'm calling him. A hero guards are is never redeeming. He's just slightly more empathetic a few times times. He shot his wife a drunken rage which automatically sets him up with own agenda and throughout his life gets blackout and fucks with people he reads poetry is the job for Christ's sake So let's let's get the pretentiousness from that if not from wealth. He's terribly smart and also terribly brooding much like Glarus. Phantom be owner. gyn connection From Pushkin actually gets even more important because ironic heroes became the kind of heroes that in Russian literature Richard are called superfluous men men born into middle class or wealthy families who are cynical world weary. Existential Drunk Horny and week just like our boy guard Like many byronesque heroes and superfluous men. Things don't end well for him. The lover always ends up messed up so in our case ends up super dead. Yeah that happened also like the others guard has at least one or two friends at a time. That will back him up. These is guys wouldn't function without enablers. Supporters like Byron's character Kane in the closet play. CAIN guard is also catastrophes believing that depth is upon us in the world faded for another violent people of destruction like nuclear fallout our global warming. No seen supports my points quite so much as guard slumped over drunk in his chair while his ex love digs a hole. It's it's perfect. I hated guard so much in the first one hundred pages ages that when he got zoomed off into oblivion I felt genuine literary joy and he is our ironic hero. The end you have forty more second suggest execute. Some sick Burns on Gardner. Oh my God so first of all. I imagined him visually in my head as looking like phoebe buffets dad in friends a also I compared him to Kane in the play Kane but I dislike the character Kane from the Bible less than I disliked Byron Dang ten more seconds so come up with one more okay. Guard is a catastrophe which is ironic. Because every word he says and movement he does is a catastrophe. Thank you fucking incredible. Thank you Phoenix. Yeah that was delightful. I actually didn't know very much about the byronesque hero archetype and it. That explains a lot. Actually about many male characters in our culture are kind of hold. Deal has a lot lot of reckoning with that archetype so now that I know that turmoil start looking for it thank you beings. You are welcome. I also got to Google the word closet play and I. I didn't know what that meant until I find that a closet play is meant to be read at home alone preferably in a smoking jacket. It's not meant to be performed weird strange goal. I have my thing up so if you want to count me off we can do that. We can do that hat thing for three to all right so I'm going to be talking about the fear of mandatory conformity eighty both in the timing and other media especially media about aliens so as Disgusting Part One aliens like all horror monsters can be said to be broadly representative of societal fears. We live in a Western society. which has kind of a mythic love of the individual? Each man has their own destiny. We are all the lone ranger the Batman figure chosen one. WHO can exercise their will to change the world that the world might not want changing is not a part of this value system system that said American society like all societies as far as I know demands a certain degree of conformity? You may be a rugged individual but that doesn't mean you you can go around wildly deviating from social norms. If you doubt that this is true where address in high heels as a man to work or school. And see if you don't get treated as if you're doing something wrong. Even though the clothes you wear had zero impact on day to day activity anyway. This friction between staying within norms and aspiring firing to the ideal of the rugged individual has led to a staggering amount of art. Both here and around the world I cannot even begin to go into it broadly. So let's let's stick to horror specifically showy agreed touchstone for this concept is the invasion of the body snatchers wherein the population of a small town is slowly replaced by alien early and replicas of its individual citizens the replicated towns folks all get along together seemingly to share a hive mind which is the most extreme form of conformity the individual being literally subsumed into the collective the protagonists. That story is naturally an individual who has not yet been replaced by their alien side side. Note someone. Please try to write a horror novel about a high of mind that is completely benevolent. Until some rogue individual fucks everything up because he believes is more important than everyone else. It's anyway if this all sounded pretty familiar. It's because it's largely also the plot. Tommy knockers. That's not to say that the timing knockers is a rip off or plagiarizing it simply work genre genre fiction and by definition John Fiction must play within a certain set of rules so we can learn a lot by comparison with aliens in this case. The the invasion of the body snatchers embodies the danger of force compliance in that there is a violent loss of identity. Everyone's on the same page. And the Tommy knockers. Those those factors definitely exist the not as concrete even as the residents of haven become. They remain able to squabble and in fight so we might be able to say that they represent group think not necessarily a complete identity lost to the collection but enough of an identity loss to cause a lot of major problems albums. The timing offers are both very smart and very dumb so they're capable of both intergalactic travel and they also don't realize that they can just convert the power lines to DC instead of hoarding batteries. So where am I at the time Phoenix doing yet. Like forty seconds all right. That's good I cut a lot in there to make room so this is the danger the loss of individual. There's no one around to stop the larger group group for making a monumentally poor choice. Which is why we get all the stuff around? You know what happens if nuclear fallout happens. That's the group not thinking but an individual like guard can protest. Whatever here is oh God? Oh no spun out Phoenix. I cut too much now. The rest doesn't make sense end. It ended please. We're GONNA end. I liked the first time I think that needful themes has ended early because because it just like ran out of steam. I think it was. Let me pick backup this team for a second. Do you see what I'm getting at is like collaboratively adrenaline. See what you're getting at and there's two major points to is that like this philosophy or what it comes from is what is often used as has the argument against collectivism in general which we as Americans are very dot collectivists but a lot of people who are listening to us might be like what are you talking about. Individualism versus collectivism is like one of the main cultural differences between America and some Westerners and a lot of the the eastern World Yes for sure also could contradictory to the religious thought. It's in America And this is what we American books. I'm just GONNA keep talking. You can buy America where this book is. Super GotTA think is bad. Individual think is good except in religion where groupthink is good and individual in kind of ruins it so these kind of tension points are where horror thrives and. I think that that's most are trying to get at. Is that even a book. As off off the wall as Tommy knockers. You can see the influences of much. Larger philosophical and cultural conversations happening this in the same book square. Vending Machine Kills Three people. Yeah that's what I was getting. At sometimes. Expressing ideas is hard. I thought it went. Will I thought you said good stuff. And and we're going to hear more about the invasion of the body snatchers later. So give ears perked. Yeah I think we should move onto library policemen. I would love that of course expert blue my nose. I just replaced the sound of that with something else. That'd that'd be a fun little a funnel gag later. That's fun so this is the last piece in the stack of our little archive until more stuff comes our way. We are going out on one that I haven't wanted to do because it is. Perhaps the worst writing king ever did do tell me more to be fair. He was barely nineteen. He wrote it got it. That's one yup. I'm on the same page. Reads like literally any teenagers story like anyone. It's roaming it's basic it's just sorta if you're a teenager listening to this and you write things and you feel like you're stories are really good. They probably and we are really good for where you're at. Yeah it tanks to us we'll give you pointers absolutely we'll we can read sections whatever like just I keep at. It is the point it takes years and years and years and until that happens you get stuff like in a half world of terror in a half world of tear it begins the grave. Digging scene quickly adds elements of legal problems young Barents and Weird Science Experiments in a couple oh of pages. It's strange enough that if published today people would say oh man S. K.. is often often garden proposition. Land isn't hard the whole guard enough though. It just doesn't make sense. The writing of terror is not even good. It's funny to think that when you write every day for fifty years. Some of the writing at some point was kind of phoned in at this point I was going to try to give you a plot summary but literally. The plot is to conflict it was a love interest. There's tons of characters in a short period of time. The scenes jump between many years all in sixteen pages ages it ends with the sentence Vicky and I which also shows up in examples of Gordon. He's writing in the body. Yeah so somebody will say about this in that. If you're writing something that is getting vastly out of scale and you think I just wanted to write a short story. I didn't but this is a novel. Just start writing the the novel. Baby you got a novel up in that. noggin get that novel out there. Don't try to cram it into like sixteen pages absolutely. Yeah absolutely hall right. I would move onto recommended reading. Let's do it so you WANNA go first. Yeah absolutely. I'm so I I was trying to Google alien related stuff for this. Aliens aren't really maj-gen. At it gets fun but like out. I don't usually think about aliens in my day to day. Life really really sci-fi nerds we're not Sifi nerds and I'm becoming more so the more I do this project. Yeah you are becoming. Yeah that's interesting. I found out that the alien movies you know Ridley Scott's a gurney weaver remember yeah go watch them do it. Launched just a novel franchise with dozens of books. Oh interesting extended universal. Yeah Li like they did with Star Wars. But there's more of these. Wow I've checked some of them out because some of the writers are like writers. That's fascinating I. I appreciate appreciate that all off to see if my local library which I support has them looking libraries libraries. Please for the love of God. According to the Stephen King Boo Club. Your library is more important than you can get this. Yes I yeah. I'm a slot for library. So in the spirit of anti conformity comedy and also in the spirit of weird media. I'm going to recommend the movie. Yes the movie not just the song. Pink Floyd's the the wall. This is a trip doubt. fullish length animated feature. It's dark it's gritty. It's everything pink floyd wants wants to be. It was basically made because when pink floyd got to the peak of their popularity they were mainstream and they're a band that thrives on on being anti conformity anti mainstream. They're fundamentally alternative group so we're GonNa make fucking animated movie also against. It's time for a while. Yeah absolutely it's kind of like dark. Gritty cousin of Beatles yellow submarine watched them as a two part double feature and feel your brain leaking out of the side of your body. Also I'M GONNA throw in here. Just a secondary recommended breeding because our bonus content for this kind of two for week is going to be an extended. Ish which one do I shoot for the nineteen nineteen seventies invasion of the body snatchers. It's an excellent movie. It was one of the first horror movies that I really loved. And we want to showcase ace it because it is clearly a deep influence on the Tommy. Knockers sounds good. Let's do it in. Let's take it to Kudo believe leave. It is our fun facts. Connor Phoenix your fun. Fact is a lot more intense than mine is. Do you WANNA go first or second. Oh second second okay for sure so this is a little amuse Bouche for you this little little bite size fun fact. Nineteen eighty eight the year after the Tommy knockers was is the first year without a Stephen King book being published Sense Carey had published. So that's almost a full decade. If not over fullback it's true it's true and Part of the reason for that is my crew. Believe it which is that. King says of the Tommy knockers. It just went on and on it was a hard one to write to keep track of all those people in the story when I finished the first draft the first draft looked like the Bataan death march with lots of cross cross outs and stuff. I locked myself in the bathroom in laughed hysterically and cried and laughed again. I never did that with a book. Yeah I can imagine because just reading and I wanted to lock myself in the bathroom and laugh hysterically crying again so I honestly honestly all right that brings brings us to the end of our program. Next week we will be back with bonus episode and after that we will be reading we do in the dark half in one or two one one part. So we'll be doing the entire book the dark half which is one that I know literally nothing about. I'M GONNA try to keep it that way so that'll be fun and Yeah let's do our thank you. Thank you to Monica Chen for our posters. Thank you you too Michaela Fishman for graphic design. Thank you to Daniel Sufferer. I also media consulting. Thank you to Bryant our library policeman Shutout Stephen Tabitha King Foundation shoutout to route Tony. Magistrate showed up to Stephen. DONAL INDIANA. You're GonNa make me say your full name You're GonNa have to correct me. I get this wrong every time. There's too many names in their bud shouts to Phoenix. CAIN trustee mcnutt Crockett. You got it good work and also so remember pure. The dog deserved better. Yeah did hey this next week do it. Peter do remember who you for okay so

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Season One Finale: Halloween Spooktacular 2019

The Stephen King Boo! Club

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Season One Finale: Halloween Spooktacular 2019

"Trick or treat. It's Stephen King Boo club based problem. Kind of goes for the the Talisman. Yeah garbage fire constructive other smaller garbage by a heard the fear in your voice there buddy. It's is I'm Steven Andrew. Sano and I'm Phoenix Crockett. And this week week. It's Halloween y'all and also our one year podcast anniversary. Woo Hell Yeah. We're throwing some like fun. Sound down to facts will do ANA. Let's make this hard for my life So we'll throw in like some noisemakers like an elephant went out to sound an opera singer. GimMe Gimme one thing to torture myself with later. Phoenix what what should we celebrate with. What Fund sound effect? Would you like to hear text in now. CONGAS CONGAS. Oh you've got the end of the breaking bad song. Take all right so we are going to do a main points of sorts This is kind of a brief summary of what we've done so far Phoenix six decades away so I wanted to sort of combine our main points in biography section. Here just to do Kind of a biography of the show we hinted to in other episodes. Instances are like one year celebration. Extravaganza thing on to talk about how it kind of started so stephen. UVM Yeah and we'd been friends for a long time. And we were strapping young lads. He has so much younger than we were now. Exactly exactly one year and I had just graduated and Steven was about to graduate and we were talking about. Hey the project artistic project to get even touch. Yeah we're going to be in two different geographical locations exactly we eventually. We settled on podcast but it was a while before we settled on Stephen King podcast. Yes there was much back and forth. Yeah you got the editing skills and I'm just a bucket of personality so we we settled on horror eventually because horror there is actually Stevens thing and he introduced me to it in our early college days. It's true I'm the bad influence. Yeah I hadn't even unseen cabinet in the woods at this point. Do you remember showing me and my now ex girlfriend cabinet in the woods in vaguely it was a bad pick for like I the movie. It was too scary for that. So we settled on Stephen King because horror was his thing and I grew up very close to Stephen Stephen King. I'm a main boy. I've read a lot of it and he'd read some of it and we figured how hard can it be. Also we figured little did we. I know it would consume our entire waking life outside of work for a long time. And there's a lot of other Stephen King podcasts broadcasting. And they're all good but we had to do something different so we needed and use our theater influence our variety influence to shake things up a little bit. Yep which is possibly why some of you are here. I hope so out the people here because they like it. If anyone's forcing you to listen to this podcast tell them that's mean and like turn it off yet goes into the BBC podcast or something. It wasn't a cereal. I hear that one's good and so we're kind of hoping to grow from here. Yes you now. It's not that we're like reaching out for listeners. And being legal McGaw please listen to the art. We make opening. You may are good enough. That people Seek it out. You know that's true confirmed and we've got fifty something books on our list. Who knows how many were GONNA do? Maybe we'll do all of them. We don't really have right now. We don't. It's hard to say where we'll be in and it's GonNa take another at least two and a half years if we stay on track and if we don't do like bonus stuff which we absolutely will it's just GonNa take some time and that's just the bestsellers that's not even touching some of the fan favorites that never reached the bestseller list just like for example. The Langa layers. The language is one that I would love to do. But isn't technically on the West never technically made bestseller list. Actually technically I added it to list the other day because a fan suggested that I do. Don't worry about that all right. That's fine so like that. Kinda Shit will happen all all the time nine. We don't always talk to each other before we post on social media in case we are one body with two brains now to also give you more information. Asian about where I'm at. I thought it would be kind of fun to record for the first time in a remote location. Yes Oh This is officially our transition from main points to fold Arcnord structure. Bland my mom. Yeah Man. Those transitions don't work any better in this tackler than they do the normal. Hey Hey hey it's important to me I gotta get my. Wow Wow sound effect in there. We'll structure here. It is to do it again. We're again yeah. We go one more time all right go ahead. I'm recording from Glastonbury Vermont. which is famous haunted ghost town currently sitting in a field looking at a real life crossroads? It's it's not even a paved road it's an actual crossroads road with a sign was assigned. Say it says West. That's it God that spooky and there's a avid a has near me that has a gold cross nailed to it Nice This town all the residents all eight hundred residents mysteriously packed. Act Up in left in wooden talk about it like a million years ago and now it has a population of four. who how are they doing? That's last year. Census seems seems like they might be they might apiece doubt by. Now that's fair. 'cause I can't see anybody around me except in the distance there's some construction people taking taking boards from townhall. Wow a spooky. It's Super Zulu. There is definitely vibe here. Also we're recording like quite right around when the sun is some should be setting like during this recording it is sunset currently. It's going to be dark by the time we're done. How are you are you there alone I am alone? He's soon there will be no one but me for literally miles. That's not a joke. Nice survey here. New Lake AAC loud sounds and Phoenix freaking out as probably a ghost. I know that I've done a lot of editing already. This far I'm all Tucker it out. It wasn't me. Ah I've done all the editing unprepared to do this episode. One of the theories about why they left was vampires. So hell. Yeah you might be vampire. Hire Phoenix is this the episode where you finally come out as a vampire. Are we finally doing it. We were GONNA do that leader year to. Hey let's talk about what we're doing in this episode episode now that we know that you're doing it from a spooky location. We are going to be doing a season. One everything we've read thus far our battle the books I've gotten broken down into themes which I think should be fun and we're going to be doing this. Needful theme style in that we only get four four minutes to debate and then we have to come to a conclusion and move on. Because we'd be here all night otherwise so and let's here. This is a round robin invitation. We love all these books. Yes and interspersing it with a call from beyond from someone very special to us. We're going to be as indeed doing doing a library. Policemen segment ascribed malignant. Yeah Yeah we have. Some music in there is just. You know it's rioting baby we're going with all sorts of weird stuff on this one phoenix. I would love to get us move in into our first round of battle. The books first round is labeled the psychics. Yeah Lot Lotta Lotta S. Sounds in there. I'm sure that'll be blessing to listen to in your car. So our first round is carried versus fire starter seem the medically typically the right thing to do to pit too bad ass psychic stories against each other. I am going to off the bat and I have the timer rolling. So don't you worry about that I'm I'm behind Kerry on this one it's a classic I mean. Carrier Starter is fun carries spawned Stephen King's career and also a bunch of really cool movies and a lot of decent Halloween costumes. Carry is really Alioune Conic. I like fire starter because it some of the only like truly believable really really solid paranormal literature tribe ever read I thought fire starter. It made me by it a little bit and I also the book that I got for. It was so good I I was just like sitting in a dark room listening so wrapped but I will say I think Kerry is is more enjoyable and I'd it'd be more likely to recommend it. Yeah that's that's I think what we're going to come down to a lot during this is would you recommend one over the other or if only one could exist at the two which do Jews. And it's just gotta be care into Central American horror piece fire starter. Good book but I would read other non Stephen King books over fire starter. There are few books that I would pick over carry. That's how good I think it is so around one re given it to carry ring the bell. Nice Nice Nice round. Yeah let's let's crush it. It won't let me read this. I gotTa take physical notes because the last time we did this fucked up real bad less e for Right our next one. I just entitled page-turners because these are two books that are really more in the thriller genre than most of the other stuff. Stephen King has written we. We are pitting the dead zone up against thinner and I liked this category. Because they're both kind of b-grade Stephen King books like these aren't making the best of the best list pretty much anywhere silence. I need a second. You get over there Jump back in like ten six. I'm I'm assuming this is a ghost based problem visit. Kansas kind of goes based problem. I just heard something on the second getting all right. My Oh man here we go. This is how it works goes have opinions about your opinions about Carey. The first one was a rabbit. Okay that's fine. I disliked needed to make sure that that wasn't like I said okay. I cannot waiver add there alone. What is wrong with you Liz? All right so where with dead zone in thinner. What's your initial thought? What's your I thought? My first thought is I preferred. I think dead zone just cause it's so goddamn weird weird like these are both weird but you know it actually change my mind. I gotta give it to thinner because it has the weird Ronald Reagan dream where he looks down and he's like warriors that's the best writing You know I I was going to go dead zone into But if you remember I could never pick up the tone of dead zone. Yes yeah that was a funky one. It's it's fun. It's a little disjointed. Maybe thinner is. It's at least consistent Dan as far as recommendations go. It's really really really Steven Kinney. Yes that's true. I think especially because I love the character character. Richard Genetically Through your. I forgot about my boy originally. There's a mob portion. There's a whole thing about about Romani. People like it's got a lot of moving parts. Yeah Yeah that sounds fun dead zones. A great summer read thinner is like if you're really sick during this flu season season and you're out for three days re thinner. Yeah read thinner. Hell Yeah Red Long. Ring the Bell. That's me writing down. We go with written okay. So let's let's keep going this next one. I think will be pretty quick. Phoenix there are two fantasy books that we read this season That we really really enjoyed right. One of them to the eyes of the Dragon Classic. Why a really solid? It was a nice book the other one was a garbage fire. made out out of individual parts that didn't sync together kind of like if I tried to make and then drive a car on my own. Talisman the Talisman Housman. Yeah garbage fire constructive other smaller garbage by so as the dragon and most houseman. We're not not trying to shoot on your choices. It's not you doesn't understand. I understand why other people might like that book. I could like Ooh baby if I could start a podcast just dunking on the towels man. I would absolutely do that but no one would listen to it so instead I have to sneak segments of it into this one and if you like it that's great. Yeah we support you. Listen we get it. We Love Stephen King. I would still rather read the towels over like I don't know twenty books but it's not the best and it's certainly not better than is the dragon which is a delight to read all right. Ring that belt batboy Bam all right. We are burden through this sucker. I think the later rounds. This one's going to be the pardon one of all. Actually this is going to be really rough. We might need the full four minutes for this This one I just entitled epochs because it's the only two books we read that were over over thousand pages. It's Stephen King's IT versus the stand. No I know we went from three easy rounds to like who Nadia. How do you choose? Allow me to make my case. Okay mic case is for the stand for three Reasons one. I've said before I think the standards the great American novel okay. You can't you can't wait unless operate there. One of your reasons can't be. It's a very good but I'm Gonna I'm Gonna I'm doing some points Nissan. Okay alright okay I think that because it is dislike massive assive roaming totally complete peace. It has everything it makes. You think it makes you cry. I teared up several times. I think that I think the stand. I mean it's also one of my favorite books so I might be biased. Reason number have maybe risen number two. It it doesn't have any blemishes is sometimes roaming. Outside of what I think is interesting to read. I would read page of the stand hand any day and be excited about it. Yeah yeah that's that's a fan boy. That's a fan boy statement but I'll allow it will on we also know the blemishes. I'm talking about yeah strength. Might my big reason I think for the stand being what I think should take over. It is even though it is more I- connick and it definitely Influenced the world of horror more. I think the stand is better written. It doesn't okay as Ram okay. It doesn't get as a the horror is more horrible to me. Okay now I know you disagree disagree with pretty much all that so yeah. I will say my devil's advocate bit here is that I mean obviously right now. It's hard to argue that it is not culturally important. Every person in their mom is going to dress up as pennywise this year for Halloween. And it's going to be delightful every time you just don't get that same kind of iconography thing going with the stand. I will agree with you. That the stand is by and large better written but I think that there were moments of individual greatness in it that are better than the peaks of the stand in my opinion the and now. I'm the supernatural horror. Kind person and it is a thousand plus pages a supernatural horror. So that's a matter of taste. I do. You think you're right that the highs are higher. I think the low are much much lower. I will agree with you on that. I think I'm actually GonNa side with you on this one and agree we're going to give it to the stand so we can ring. That was yeah. I thought I was going to have to concede now. Now we're giving it to the stand because I I think you're right that it's a much more consistently written book and that the actual pros is stronger. Like it has a more interesting to me. Overarching story concept. But I think this stand has a better overall execution and we're literary podcast cast baby. We gotta go with that. I loved this. Dan made through him so excited as big grin on my face. A man is a very good book. I there are very few scenes that I think of more than the Lincoln Tunnel crossing. I was thinking of that too. I was thinking Lincoln Tunnel Crossing for me as Abi equivalent the it heart with it brooding in thinking about like gods in like yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. All right cool is first half so we are going to bring it out to our I kind of mid segment in variety. Show here. We're going to bring it to the call from beyond. Hello getting your Cleanly down low boop listeners. We are here today with. Brian are wonderful. Call from being on Halloween patacula. Say Hi Brian. Hey how's it going. Brian is an armchair experts on all things. Stephen King also runs a blog that we've mentioned before on the show and Brian. What I'm GonNa be asking you about today? First of all is your very first experience with Stephen King. That's what I want to hear about. I'm forty five years old so I was a kid when creepshow came out and So one of the things that I used to do when I was a kid is I'd go to the grocery store to shop with my mom and this was back in the good old days when comic books in Grocery Stores So oh I'm just browsing the comics like I always do and I pick up this thing called creep show and there's a panel of the Zombie guy with with the birthday cake made out of the lady severed head and it's up for. I don't even know for how long for you the next thing I wanNA talk to our listeners about is Our library policeman's section. We have a section on our show where we talk about. Short kings stories are stuff from the King Archives and we've said that we have a mystery archivist. They call him the library policeman. We're going to be doing the REV actively later in this episode and I Guess Drum Roll please I would like to announce this is our official unmasking asking Brian as our library policemen. Thank you so much for Sending us all those stories and That stuff too good not to share. I gotta give it to somebody. Yeah Yeah sometimes. They're you know it's not like I'm sharing stuff from Stephen King's file drawers or anything. So yeah and that's been awesome and also You've been able to send us cool information or corrections. Sometimes because you've been doing this for you know a lot longer than we have so you called me an armchair expert. I'm not sure on anything. I'm just an armchair doofus. So let's be clear about that. All right share what I know. which is you know the only thing I know anything about Stephen King and James Bond so Brian in arms here doofus and presenter of short stories for the Steven King Book Club? I didn't know that James Bond was your other love and all that Star Trek in there too also sleeping and overeating. That's so funny. I WANNA thank you for coming on here ears doing this Call for beyond how from beyond we're GONNA go on into the next round of our big Halloween countdown downs showdown thing and hey we hope to have you back on. Please continue to tend to and something relevant comes it would definitely all right my friends that brings us back to who are battle. The books bracket our first round on the other side. Here is entitled trapped and it's devoted two two books that are a wild ride about being stuck in one place. It's Cujo Verses Misery Phoenix I'm GonNa make a case for Cujo aren't gonNA likely but I'm GonNa do it. I am going to make a case for Joe Because that book is a God the damned trip. I like that book more everyday after we recorded that episode. I know that we took a big hot pile poop all over that book. But you know it's stuck with me in some really potent ways is a big dog person. y'All it's it's been known y'all been knowing it. I love me. Some dogs had to say that book man proves I pref- scared of dogs scared book. I tell you what for me. That's an oppressive. Transformation as amazing misery is. I can't separate my of the book from My. Aw of the movie and because of that I'm willing to give it to Cujo because I think I dislike misery the movie so much that it's hard to go okay. It's hard to say that I don't know I don't. I'm very on the fence about about this. So if you are not on the fence we can give it to misery I just wanted to make sure that Cujo had a voice in this bad boy because dogs can't talk if I had to suggest something. That's more Qingyi. I think I'd go with Cujo. Kudos also triumph in presenting like like reality horror. CUJO AVANT GARDE MAN MR no. I got the way I mean. Come on the severed thumb in the birthday. Jake Yeah you're right. You're right one. It's also like from the every Stephen King trope is in misery. You know every a single one. You've got addiction. You've got the abuse cycle. You've got a writer struggling to right. You've got obtuse literary connections and you've got a far North American state with a lot of snow. You've got references to other Stephen King Properties like it's all the way down the list a very very Steven King Book. Yes is harder than I thought it would be. It really is and you know. We're also doing book by book episode by episode our misery. Because now we can't. We can't judge around work that would be. That'd be so master Pretoria that would be as well. Just come up to you and like get you off at that point. Freeze do baby anyways. It's hi there Doug Sexual Attention I WANNA go with misery but if I could be swayed easily I think I think we should give it to misery Israel because I do think misery is a better book but I'm glad that we give Cujo. It's do because I don't think we really gave it a chance in the episode. No around on Cujo too. Yeah Yeah Yeah but I the way it loses misery winds ring the Bell It cool. That's jotted down what's our next. We've got this next one is going to be really interesting. The next I had to put our collections against each other. We had two different collections. We had different prince seasons versus skeleton crew. Yeah so here's here's the two things I have to say one. I think skeleton crew through has better individual stories because it has the mast and the mist is super good. I think different seasons is more cohesive in terms of its theme song and it feels more like a complete four course meal rather than a smattering of just interesting. Stephen King Staff I would go as far as to say okay. So I haven't seasons goes I'm thinking about Shashank and The body more than about the other two. Because we're not amazing. I really see it's interesting. Is I think of Shawshank in APP. People which I think shows its strength as a collection in that different people have different faith and if it was the missed versus all of those. I'd probably go with the missed I think I would. But if it's I have the midst and a bunch of other stuff that was pretty fun to read versus such iconic short stories. I mean Shawshank can go up there with any any short story ever written. Yeah yeah yet roommate in I'M GONNA I. I think it's different seasons. That's interesting because I think it skeleton crew because aid the missed. It can't be overstated. How good development is but we've also got like iconic ones like the the monkey the raft shoutouts to Francois Bellon Court? We've got this. I'll say it this way. I had more fun and reading the skeleton crew. I think different seasons is more important man. Yeah Amanda Seasons. I would recommend commend to an English class in high school skeleton crew. I recommend to my buddy who doesn't read much but God damn it. This is a podcast for people that want to like. Listen to Dick Jokes along with their literary analysis. We have to give it to the one. That's more fun all right. Let's do skeleton crew and besides it's the mess. Dog missed has favorite one. It's like one of the best ones ever. We're giving it to skeleton crew. Go through all right that brings us to this entitled Bad dudes. Yeah there's a bunch of bad dudes in this one it's the shining versus rose madder and obviously the shining takes. I mean like come on obviously is much better but we have so much fun with a drink. Mansi Girls Doing Rose Matt eating rose matter getting really into it but the shining winning is the shining. Yeah shining our culture would be vastly different without it without rose. Matter are. It'd be pretty much the same Stephen Stephen King Cannon. He would have like one less book to talk about non writing. That's about why people know rose matter this is I think this is GonNa be our fastest round get outta here the Bam Bam Bam Bam all right next up. This one's called Did I go with the living dead or did I come go with I went with came back wrong around. Came back wrong This is Salem slot versus pet cemetery. These are two two heavy hitters. I want to hear what you have to say first. And then I'll I'll say what I think I'm stuck you know. I've had pet cemetery in my remind for a lot longer. It has a lot of religious stuff that I like. I think tackles a lot of really cool things on the other hand Salems lot. What is definitely my favorite vampire story? I Love Vampires. I think the characters in Salem slaughter a little bit better fleshed out. I think this is kind of like back. The it stand thing where I think had cemetery. As higher highs and lower lows and Salem's lot is a more consistently throat piece. Yeah I'm with view on that I will say that for me. Pet cemetery is a lot more earnest in a lot more intense with how deep it's willing to go into its subject matter it is horror that is true it does have more of a horror tropes background if I had to. I'd say right now like Phoenix three to one. I'd say pet cemetery. I think I'm with you on that. I do WANNA shout out because we we hit Salem slot really early on the podcast. podcast episode. Two and three. It's a shame that so many of his early ones such heavy hitters because we didn't have practice talking about got them yet I've gotTA shout out. Just the overall tone of that book is still I think unmatched I in the Stephen King Cannon for being just a general kind of mural asthma dark gritty spooky shit that you don't quite get pet cemetery pet cemeteries a character piece which I love Which is why? I think it should win but command gotTA shout out Sam's Lies Salem Slot. You're innocent ones lot right now. How's your lot doing over there? This lot is dark now. UH-HUH I heard the fear in your voice there buddy it is something and how are you doing. I'm Marie I'm I love it. I wish I had a cigarette and I don't say all right well with that. That is the end of our around one. That's every book we have done. In the first season we have now touched upon which means that I would like to take it to our next interstitial segment Phoenix to do is take us then. We got three things we're GONNA do. You WanNa do a brief recommended reading Due to library policemen segments. Let's get back to back the recommended reading I WanNa say is that when I was preparing for this episode. I was listening to an album of Goth cowboy music. This has been trying to get me to listen to this goth cowboys for the last seventy two hours straight. I'm not gonNA shut up about until he's heard the whole album. I'm GONNA had every single morning morning in like. Hey listen to the comment Hacia. Listen to the comment. It's unbelievably good. And there's a lot of good horror stuff. It's the it's very S. K.. Invested here at he you would put his check mark on the comment. I don't know anything about the group another Brooklyn based but they're two thousand fifteen album that self titled it's a Great Kerala to what we've been reading about. Yeah I'll do a recommended reading as well. This is kind of a season season. One overa- reading this is the the for the the entire kind of aesthetic. What we're doing here? I want to wreck Amand The TV show twin peaks obviously go watch twin peaks. Not because it's necessarily related plated to Stephen King's tropes because it's an example of really deeply American and Americana horror that has continued to inform pop culture and also because it's good and I like to go listen to in watch twin peaks. Do it obviously go check out those peaks both of them mm-hmm. Let's take it the rebel. Lloyd's WE WANNA talk really briefly about a race thing. Yeah it's not a Stephen King Book Club without shoehorning. Some interesting social stuff in their expert on it so we've talked before the Word Wanna which is w. a. n. a. unfortunate. It's unfortunate and we. We took it as racist Gobbledygook Yup in our library policeman who you have just heard on the call from beyond as unveiled as being Bryant. Bryant sent me some research that he did he. I saw the word on a poster for from Russia with love and he traced it back a little bit more a little bit more to sixties. Bob Hope movie called Call Me WanNa and so in Swahili. It means master but has entered the English language. It means something a little more like boss Hoss or Sir. Yeah UH so ill not gray no. It's not great but he went back into the parks where it's used in often. It's being used used as a genuine dialect of people in a time. What I don't understand is why the hell it came? I'm up in the Talisman. Yes yeah in the Talisman. It's pretty clearly referring to that set of tropes of the like African in vague mysticism in my opinion. Obviously everything in this asterisk. We're getting into speculation. But but I do still fank. I'm glad it's not nothing that makes me a little more comforted it's gook it is when it's used in misery it's it's Paul writing about a time in a place where that word was said by Senate yes fine. That's good in well in the context though Oh of a kind of imperialist fantasy of Africa as a place where a the white people show up immediately the boss in the situation right to do and also in the context of Africa as the dark land of mystic whatever which but anyway away and now we have our answer. Thank you live replace. Yeah seriously super cool digging that like I tried to do that research and I failed. Which means that? I'm either a lot worse at researching than I thought. Or just we've got a really heavy swinger on our side. Thank you our library policeman. Strong word think Bryant. It might just be a better person than you. It's entirely possible. I live in fear of this every day. So we're GONNA move onto the Rep. Lloyd's Brian talked a little bit about the Rep Lloyd's in our call from beyond. Let me just give you a little brief plot summary right so the Johnny Carson. The show is on. Its the tonight show before Jimmy Fallon while to people before Jimmy Fallon it was Johnny Carson and in place of Johnny Carson in this piece a a guy named Edward Paladin just appears now he's the new Johnny Carson and it leads the reader like What apparently the audiences were also like a what incentive detectives are like who who is disguised? Coup was kind of fascinating. I really really liked that kind of surrealist surprise a thing now exists. It's very twilight zone. This is the most twilight zone. Stephen King put it on the books. So Richard and Pete the detectives they find some strain detective named Richard Cheney. And Pete Jacoby aaliyah. Ah they find some weird crap. This guy has on his person his dressing room. A boss found weird crab with exactly how they put it. uh-huh and here's the here's the items from the dressing room from his home from his person a bright blue one dollar bill with the picture of James Madison on it yet passes for the studio which are the wrong color k okay into a generic tie so going back to the one dollar bill man. Talk about the David Lynch recommendation was accidentally spot on Ab -solutely. This kind of implies that this guy is from an alternate reality where James Madison was the first president of the United States. And the whole thing gets even more alternate reality in ultimate reality as it kind of goes on to see what I'm saying. Yeah Yeah Yeah. So it's it's a really cool piece of Bryant. Explained where he found it. But it's really hard to find. There are books that have in it. But it's like compendiums the other offers in weird stuff like that and we sent that and it ends up being yet if you can find it. It's very super cool. It was published in dark visions in nineteen eighty eight. The most Stephen King publishing title ever yet the other Nevada's in it are by Dan. Simmons George R R Martin Amazing. I love that so go get that. Get your dirty little grubby. Hands ends on some of that. Are we ready to bring back that all you got that is all I've got it. We're in round two now so this is now all going to be stuff. We've already talked about so. Should be a little more indepth round one. We've got Kerry versus thinner manner to vastly different. Stephen King Books both various Stephen King in their own right but so so so different not only only in their content but in how they received and remembered man. Listen I like thinner I do. Yeah but it carries just carry. It's Kerry Yeah Yup. There is agreeable music musical version of center. Oh so Phoenix Phoenix. What can we make a bad riley of bad dinner musical that any day? I really any musical you wrote around Fintor would inherently be bad. I can't imagine will be possible to make a good theater. Musical which are genetically comes in on. How God to read the Libretto on that motherfucker? What Michael Bender to come in and play Richard Tonelli now it needs to be the only theater? Guy That matters Bruce Willis swell as in every part. Let's make it happen. If if he was alive I think the person you should actually play it would be James Gandolfini You're right. Hey let's give it to carry move on all right round to this next one. Oh God this is this is this is gonNA be a bloodbath. This is in the eyes of the dragon versus the stand. Listen now I genuinely loved is the dragon but the standard is a masterpiece. I mean we've seen in this side of the bracket is just the cream separating from the rest the crap the bottom of the barrel. This is the top of their game books against books that we just liked you know. I liked thinner and I liked the eyes of the Dragon. But the stand standard place. You'll end up in the final round. Foreshore foreshore so. Yeah I mean we got to give it to the stand obviously is the dragon so nice to see you here. Lovely lovely having met your wife go home. uh-huh onto your kid and family. You just get why don't you just get adding thousands and we've all right next. Do we want to just roll into the other side of the bracket and now that we got fewer rolled. Lura all right. Let's do it. So next. We have skeleton crew crew versus misery. And this is a toughie because these are both really good and really strange ha man I didn't. I didn't know what you were going to say. You have the bracket and I I do surprise you. Also your fighter flight is active active like it does now. It is on the way. It's not a little bit dark. I didn't bring like a like a lamp. God what were you thinking. My car is like one hundred meters away. Oh my God did all right. Let's get this thing wrapped up for you but the wind is cold. I okay. So here's my thing misery and and a hate to keep doing this. For a skeleton crew skeleton crew has some great stories but if it was just misery versus the missed. I think it would already be a tough call. Who missed what I think and and I think I'd pick the missed? Yeah but well I I will do that. Based on the highs of misery like you know the the drinking the mop water the feminine. The cake the hot yeah. That's all more horrible than anything that happens in skeleton crew. He you're right right but you're right on the other. Hand skeleton crew has something for everybody. Misery isn't for everyone. I couldn't give my wife misery to read. I could give her skeleton crew. Yeah but but you did sit down and make her watch the movie did she. She loved it and was also very upset. Like why did he do this okay. So here's my thinking and this might be controversial controversial. I think that if this was just misery versus the missed I would give it to the missed but oh no. That's our four minutes. Oh God oh no we have to make a choice I think you say that the other pieces in gelatin grew almost drag it down. Yes that is exactly what I was going to say so I was going to give it to misery. What do you I think I disagree? Alright so this comes down to a simple coin flip at this point all right. I got appointment here. All right. Heads is misery. Tales is skeleton crew. I'll even let you hear it as canes off the Do some fully work for me. Hear that picked up. Yeah it was. Great is tales all right so that goes to skeleton crew. All right right misery getting knocked out cool cool cool cool cool great love it. The next one is going to be really rough because it is the shining finding versus pet cemetery. Okay well this is a battle of giants there are people out there that would say pet cemetery and those are yeah. Those people are wrong. Those people are valid. I'll say it. Listen I'm not afraid to say those people valid points pet cemetery where I was genuinely scared. Heard nothing about this shining actually got me. There are several things in the shining straight up. Got Me the wasps bre the wasps come on like wasps. I will let wasp awesome slammed in my face. I don't I don't even like the thought of Waas planning on your phone faces period. I I mean the the shining winds. I don't know what has to deal with the death of my child and you're right. I had to deal with the idea of the death of a child that nobody wanted on it versus the attempted murder of a child. It's almost easier to swallow I. I think the shining. If only because Jack Torrance's descent went into madness is still one of the iconic descents in horror and the fact of the matter is that the descent impact cemetery just doesn't work as well Europe tip. It just doesn't work as well. It's totally different motivation. which I respect but it's just not as good in my mind I gotta give it to the shining all right? It's decided decided man. We're getting up there. We're at the semi finals next. We have any other interstitial. Join take some questions Let's take some questions before we do that. I just want to do a quick shout out to you. One of our Patriots Support News Top Tier Patriots supporter top of a top tier patriots supporter. I just wanted to say thank you Bryant. You're being so engaged. We appreciate your insight. You'RE A card carrying boot club member with more information than we ever ask for. We love hearing from you. Yes you are a gentleman and a a scholar and yeah this program would not be the same without you and your direct support in multiple ways. Thank you for that thing from the bottom from the bottom of my Deep Horror nerd heart. Let's move to some questions. So so what do we got Lamont. We opened up for some questions. Obviously with any set of questions. You're going to get some weird one. Some New Orleans chose four four. Felt like a good number. Four is a good. If you didn't get answered don't worry we'll keep it on the list. Yeah so so the first one which we kind of expected I have heard this on a lot of podcast for us. How did you two meet? This is a great story. Actually I love this story. We were both playing Susa the phone. which is if you don't know a wrap around Tuba in the end for the ice hockey team at in Vermont? which is a very niche way to meet someone? And I was wearing airing a t shirt with spring waking the musical on it. which if you don't know is a very good musical that I believe has been one of our recommended? Readings may have been the first recommended reading. Actually I think it was in Phoenix season. I'm wearing this shirt and says hey we're best friends now and it was so I literally phrase like guys I said we're best friends now and we hung out a lot. We had a lot of good times went through some hard times together and after four years of really close friendship We decided added to make some art together. Announce what we're doing right now. Yeah and we've just been like tight. I think honestly our whole friendship has been like a game of chicken where anytime we're going to become closer your friends the other ones like try me and we just keep going down the rabbit hole and it's been great and You know I got to go a D. C.. Recently in the summer and hang out and do all kinds of you guys heard some phenomenal nat is great so the next one I knew I also knew was coming classic the original would you rather fight one hundred duck sized horses or one horse duck all right. Yeah Yeah so my answer for this and I have a stock answer this because this has been around on the Internet for a while I would rather fight one hundred duck sized horses because horses are fundamentally demento shabby hastily put together creatures. They're gods accident they really they break easy and they don't fix easy and they're only benefit is that they're massive and angry so if they're tiny and angry you seem to throw on some galoshes and go to town. I'm GonNa take the opposite side okay. I'm a little bit genuinely afraid of horses. Not Say I haven't ridden because they're fucking scary. Forces are scary. I love ducks and I could. You kill one I could you kill one with your bare hands. Could you look into the eyes of one horse sized duck and say sorry Daffy duck kind could get rid of the cyclops. You know yeah I definitely. I would rather do that. Also because I'm seeing their their goals. They're not that scary. They don't have teed you just get seen. How fucking big a horses? They're massive I. Yeah yeah any of the size of a horse will be scary also. I know this is like a dumb eighth grade. Answer that every eighth grade boy has I wanNA fight it so I can train it as my steed. I WanNa break the DOT man. You just never. You never grew out you. That's what I like about your child at heart. You still got that innocence in you. That says yeah. I can tame a giant duck. Why don't you grow? I want you invest in some stocks. Listen all right we gotta move on. We're we're we're running on time here. Wife life handles the stocks next one favorite movie. We've done so far all that's so hard I'm gonna go ahead jump in. Yeah go for it and you might be surprised to hear that. It's not any of the it's and it's I am the stand miniseries it's actually misery miseries histories damn good. I'M GONNA give it saying the misery over the mist which I yeah. Yeah I'M GONNA give it similarly to Shashank Shashank is just it's so iconic. It's so goddamn good for so many reasons. Go Watch Josh. Ain't GONNA go. Put that in your Halloween movie marathon because it Stephen King and then everyone everyone just be like crying. It'll be great. It's a fun prank. The final question came way. Way The fuck out of nowhere. Yeah we through this one in because it was so strange yet and this this person has listened to every episode of ours and has heard of which appreciate our yeah. We'd love it. They have heard US mentioned significant others. What schools go to how old we are and no security number last four digits of the credit cards the whole nine yards? It's all in there. It's like an Ar g you know you just just gotta find the clues and they said a lot of podcasters. Don't mention their children to keep it out of the show and to their question was do you have children. No I mean well no. I don't serious answer. No Fun Goof. I have like twenty. They're all named Jeremy. You're twenty between the one in eight. Yep they're all of them chair take your pick are all named Jeremy I don't have any children Aldrin I you know I'm not against the idea but currently no and when I do I think I'll take your advice Dear Listener and not bring it up on the show. Yeah So at any given time during the show we sound tired. It's probably because we've had yet another their child and we're just hiding them from the world so keep that in mind. And if I name my child Stephen just now. I'm naming it after Stephen Sonko not Steven. Oh aw that's very kind of you. That's genuinely sweet. Hey let's move past this intimate moment and get back to the bracket sports baby. He all right. So this is our semifinals. Believe we are doing Yeah yeah that's right. I can read my own notes. This is Keri versus the stand for a place in the finals Kerry versus the stand end for place very very different books. Like orders of magnitude different in terms of length orders of magnitude different in magnitude. Just like the the stand is something that you have to carry with you for the rest of your life. Carry it carries carries that way. No I think maybe okay. So maybe this is bison me because I read Carey in high school and Reading Carey in highschool is the time to read it so I think that probably colors my because I this is so tough I would give it to carry as of right now. If you don't convince me I think that's how I lean. I'm going to convince you all right man you'd better get to listen to stand needs a spot in the finals and carries good but Kerry sorry has three or four well developed characters. It has a fairly well developed plot. It has some cool. Not Gimmicky key. Steph Curry Normal Blah Blah Blah. The stand has twelve out characters it has a whole field it has yeah Kerry contained leaned within it. There are stories their individual hundred pages. That are better than the carry story. Not as carries not amazing anti connick. And you you are feminist read of Kerry really helped me to get a better taste out of it but the stand is Keri literally ten times over yeah. I don't know I don't know if we have to do. I think the stand I think stand. I think I'll I'll give it to the stand and I'll give it to the stand specifically because it is a chilling representation of pandemic and that is not necessarily a Stephen King quality but it is something that I found deeply compelling and also oh I'm also reading your mind a little I know that for you the most compelling seen we've read in this entire show possibly in your whole life. Is the Lincoln tunnel all seen. The Lincoln tunnel scene is just perfect. And I think you're right. There's nothing quite as perfect and carry as the Lincoln tunnel. Scene is perfect. I would rather rather take on carrying a fistfight than do the Lincoln Tunnel Fair all right. Yeah Yeah Yeah motherfucker is here. We go. Next is the other semi finals. We have skeleton crew versus the shining eligible crew. Real underdog. Your dog real underdog gotta respect skeleton crew. They just kept swinging. But it's time to die but it's time to go. Oh Yeah Yeah. It's it's time to leave the shining. Is I think damn near perfect horror novel just in terms of its. It's it's tropes in its build in the way that it's world works in Skeleton Crew doesn't compel you forward people can't put the shining down. Yeah Yeah No. It's yeah like skeleton crew you can read the mist and then put down and not really have a difference inexperience you. You can't just read one part of the shining. You need that whole book and every single part of its page Turner for those of you. Who are thinking about basketball right now as I am? Because we're doing in this in a very basketball way the up the shining is let's say Larry Bird and skeleton crew. Who is Allen Iverson a very good player a solid basketball person? But he's not Larry Bird I'll tell you why Larry Bird's better better stephen is her to Larry. Bird and Steven is not heard of Alan Iverson. Bottom baby yes one hundred percent right. It's GonNa take it the man you know me too well at this point I gotta take you out. That's no good. All right can met my parents tested by. Hi John John Molina. What a guide Okay do we have anything before we move onto finals or is this how we are rounding out our sees. This is the this. Is the one actually doozer explanation of our break in our end stuff before yeah. Let's throw Gordon Right here. Just to keep people listening so that they do know this information because we will be taking a little bit of a break in between seasons We're GONNA give ourselves Dell's two weeks to read the entirety of the Tommy knockers. That's right we're kicking off season. Two with the God. Damn Tommy knockers so read that I guess yeah so. You won't hear anything from US at all next week and probably not the week after unless we get something really tasty together that we just have to get it out there. It's possible we definitely are not going to promise it and then after that it will be another full damn year. We're actually going to do. Tommy knockers knockers. Part One and part two back to back just to get us back onto our original schedule. Sounds good yeah. That's what we're going to be doing. I A stephen. I think you should introduce with drum. Roll our finalists included a drum roll here. I assume or maybe something else. I don't know surprise me. Editing Stephen this is the stand verses the Shining Oh oh what a star studded cast and by the way. We're not timing this one. This one goes into. We have an answer. This is a year of our lives devoted to this question which is better. And you know I'm GonNa make this hard on you 'cause I know we disagree because I I am GonNa GonNa answer shining to I have to. It's the shining man shining. It is the shining. It's so okay let me let me lay out the literary qualities that I think make the shining the correct answer here right. You have a really solid all. Id Narrative Hook. You have this family. They're isolated. It's a little bit about cabin fever. You have all of these really amazing amazing literary parallels. You've got the Donner Party. You've got the like mask of the Red Death you've got in some ways. Haunting of Hill House is a major influence. Even though it's not really named its chest. Such an amalgamation of excellent horror and literary literary tropes and his sophomore novel. It's the second one notes not now I thought is it third third okay. It's his junior junior novel. This novel can go to Prom. It's allowed to tell you what I tell you what. Here's where. Hi Matt here's where I'm at. The stand is not just my favorite Steven King Book Book Right. Yeah yet we. We set up the rules earlier where the rules were reducing this based on what we would recommend. Oh you right now the stab. How is amazing? It's hard to recommend thousand pages isn't it. It's an undertaking and the payoff is is in the process not in the build he asked the Ending orgasmic like I. I think it's literally inexplicable. It's literally an explosion. I think I think the shining is gonNA win based on that criteria now I do want want. It's hard though because that's not how we judge everything else I mean don't want I definitely did. I certainly had that in my whole time. I just I don't know man it's is freaking me out that you're not I know you're in a haunted location right now and he wanted to get the hell out of air bud. That's not part of it out of this world Also let's let's pretend we're doing it on a different level. Is it the horror because the shining the horror is better. Is it the characters. I don't know I kind of think Jack Torrance might be the most compelling character out of the bunch. The stand is personally important to me. It has the Christian themes I you want it has the Americana I want has the folk music I need but if I have to tell someone to their face you need to read this book they might not like the stand they might not be. That might not be what they're looking for but the shiny as what you're looking for the shining for me the thing that clinches the shining as winning this whole Fang and this is such a non sequitur but bear with me is the God damn seen when the elevator comes down. Jack Torrance insists that it's nothing and Wendy pulls out fistfuls of Confetti and says is this this nothing somehow that scene is more compelling to me then literally anything else. We have read this year a year. Because there's something in the power of this embattled woman who's just trying to do the best for her family which is falling apart at the seams because they're trapped in a supernatural mansion and throwing it in the face of her abuser. I think I think it's because it's fathomable like this and isn't fathomable everyone. You love dying whatever but to. Let's say you and I were in a hotel in Denver and you thought things things were getting spooky and the elevator came down a modern elevator and we thought we were alone and it was full of party supplies. Yeah you would yeah you would have a heart attack and die the rate there I would put myself and then my heart would stop in that order order it would definitely have been in the other because pins with a mouse so I yeah I think we have our answer. I think we gotta give it to the shining. That's what I think. All right ring. That final donal bell. Thank everyone for joining us. For his Halloween's butacular and for joining us for this year. We never knew we were going to get this many people listening. We never realized we're GONNA and a half this much of a fan base and thank you so much for being with us. Yeah we're deeply touched and we're happy that we are encouraging new guys to go back and read read the hell out of some of the Stephen King Cannon. This has been what a year. What a year guys man? What a along? I'd like to give a shoutout to Daniel soft or helping neces- social media. Yep I would like to thank Michaela Fishman. whose graphic design has been a guiding light for us us to Monica Chen? Who did our posters? I would like to thank our library policeman who can now officially say. Hey Brian thank you. A shout twenty Magistrelli Australia for his continued support. We'd like to shout out the Stephen and Tabitha King Foundation. The work you're doing up in Maine is amazing If you're going to check out anything in the weeks that we are not here if you're like man I'm bored because I don't have my weekly podcast fix. Go check out the Stephen King Foundation. Maybe donate some money to them wake. They're doing awesome work. Shout outs. y'All in thank you Steven. Hey Phoenix thank you. This has has been crazy in three weeks. We will be returning with season. Two that is going to be starting off with the Tommy knockers and then the week directly after will be doing part to on that that's just a two-parter get it read. It's notoriously one of his weirder books and Stephen King writes some weird goddamn books. So you know it's up there. Is there anything else that you have or a week closing out the season. I'm going to get the cat up. Glastonbury Vermont Oh man. Yeah and if you don't hear from us that's because Phoenix was eaten by guests by by everyone. Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween

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Episode 54 - The Waste Lands

The Stephen King Boo! Club

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Episode 54 - The Waste Lands

"Content warning sexual violence gore and general violence and egg sandwiches before this delightful. What the fuck is eggs. Sandwich sandwich with agony. What's wrong with you all right. Okay wait now. You've never had a breakfast sandwich. i. I've called it a breakfast sandwich. Like a normal person. You can call it an egg sandwich. Listen we can't get it's technically accelerated. But i've never heard the term okay. I wish there was a way that we could put this thing that we just start the episode egg sandwich the first time. Then we'll jump right into the top but he sure what traveler beyond lies mid world. It's the stephen king boo club even fantasy terms. It's so singular. Start bomb on north central positron. Ix billy sunday billy billy bumps billy billy bomb. I'm steven and ressano dime phoenix crockett. And this week we are reading the dark tower three the wastelands published in nineteen ninety one. We are catching backup. Phoenix all take the main points. This week would love it if you would several weeks. After the end of the events of the previous novel the content of susanna. Roland eddie. Make their way to out a borderland which surrounds middle and is largely wooded attacked by the cyborg bear charlotte and upon slaying him. Reveal a beam of static. Light one of the six which holds this universe. The together they set up a camp to rest and roland reveals. She is going insane. Because of the pera dots of jets death. He fears that he will totally lose reality before they can get to the tower in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven york. Jake is also driven to near mathis by the paradox of his death which causes friction between him and his abusive tie bay father after turning in a bizarre final essay which he had no memory of writing jake fleas school and wanders the city. He purchases a creepy children's book called charlie the choo choo as well as worn out book of riddles from used bookstore on a whim. He also finds a single red roads growing near a rusty and a parking lot. The rose holds a small son and his tied. Somehow into the lifeline of all universities in all world roland burns walters job on reviewing the contacts nextstep while rowland and susanna see. Nothing eddie is shown the shape of a key. The same key which jake found in the parking lot. He intuit's that he must carve the shape as he has taken up withdrawn on their journey. Jake must seek the portal to all world and the gang must be ready to receive him on the other side. The portal exists in two places one on the hill in an abandoned haunted mansion and one in a demon circle and all jake fights his way through the collapsing house. While susannah fight the sex crazed demon carnal embrace the ritual barely works and jake joins the khattak in all world now reunited in a single time line jake and rollins mental anguish and the crew follows the beam through a tiny deserted town called the river crossing they meet boy on the way an intelligent racoon like creature called a billy bumbler which bonds quickly jake once in river crossing roland is bestowed with cross and some light fanfare by a society of elderly survivors having been fed and given some information about the road ahead. The khattak falls the path of the beam toward loud. and atlantis. like retro futurist city. That is a post apocalyptic twitter of new york city off and on the group. Here's the drumline. From z z. Talks fly. Which are this society's war-drums. The crew tempts to cross a ron bridge. Which is the twitter of george washington bridge and drought and a scumbag named gesher kidnapped jake and steals him away to a labyrinth under the city hoping to please the leader of his gang. The tiktok with the help of always tracking abilities roland falls guestrooms trail while susannah. And eddie look for the train station which they believe will help them get much closer to the dark tower stalls for time until roll under boys show up boy managed to get into the tiktok man bunker jumping down through that steals a gun and shoot for tiktok man. Then let's roland in to deal with the rest of the gang members still kicking. Meanwhile eddie and susannah accidentally wake up blame a twisted ghost in the machine who lives in the monitoring and uses the still functional machinery of the city to wreck havoc. Blaine reunites the gang. Because roland jake have a great many riddles. He also forces the tat to solve a riddle of his own or else be killed a burst of poisonous gas and die with the city of blood they managed to do it and the novel ends on a dual cliffhanger. Blaine will kill them all once. They reached the end of the line in topeka kansas. Unless they can give him a riddle that he cannot solve in another realm the age was stranger going under a name with the initials are f wakes up the still living tick tock man and presses him into servitude. Now it's time for full dark no structure starting to like this fantasy stuff if only because of how darn absurd it is. You hear that summary is even fantasy terms. It's so singular yet. It's a weird mix of like weird retro-futurism and fantasy and sci fi. It's it's just. I take a shot every time we say there's nothing like it because i don't have any reference points for this and yet somehow there are still human parts like jake's issues at school in the bullet train kinda works for me. I don't know what's going on every single thing in this book. That should not work somehow does for me. This book like had all these things that were like man that should be a swing in a mess and none of them were. I'm with you. Not even cyborg bear. I loved cyborg. Bear cyborg bear. Was the point where i was like. Oh shit this book rules like. Oh it's like fifty pages in of this five hundred page book and i was like oh no. I'm going to like this book. Kim belief that pretty firmly all fantasy series became a sci-fi series seamlessly. Everybody just went sure. Why not i. I think that is one of the things i appreciate. The most about this book in about this series is that it manages to let the world building happen in such a way that it is flexible. You know like it's pretty solidly weird fantasy the first book or so. And then you start to get these little elements of scifi by the end of this. You're dealing with a straight up. Rogue a i i don't know i think it's fascinating not spoil battle the books but this one as you can hear our voices. We enjoyed more than the previous two. It was exciting. It was exciting eastwell to prove that. I think we should take it over to sweet screams and give you some samples off so This piece is a salvador. Dali painting in i will prove it. If you can provide context for this quote. Because i wanna know if you remember where it comes from. It would be my pleasure. Don't ask any silly questions. I won't play silly games. I'm just a simple choo choo train and i'll always be the same. I only want to race along the neath the bright blue sky and be a happy train until the day i die so this is a selection from the book that let me hold on. Let me reverse the tape. In my brain here. Jake buys the book charlie the choo choo on a win in a used bookstore after fleeing from school that book turns out to be kind of a half prophecy about eventually meeting blaine. Who appears to be jovial but is actually incredibly sinister thus the kind of weirdly sinister wording in the book by the way. This book exists rights. Too yeah yeah you can go by this. It's a great tie in super fun great. Let's hear what of yours all right. So it's really hard to choose. Riven like quotes or even situations in this book because it just covers a lot of ground But i wanted to read the first bit where i was like. Oh oh no. I'm going to like this book. And that is of course. The giant worm infested bear which is where this book got chess super metal and i love it so this is a description one of several long paragraphs dedicated to describing a huge bear. That they gotta deal with on the path to the tower. He was of course a demon incarnate. Eight or the shadow of a god. They called him murder which to these people meant the world beneath the world. He stood seventy feet high and after eighteen or more centuries of undisputed rule in the west woods. He was dying. Perhaps the instrument of his death had at first been microscopic organism in something he had enough or drunk perhaps it was old age more likely a combination of both. The 'cause didn't matter the ultimate result a rapidly multiplying colony of parasites foraging within his fabulous brain did after many years of calculating brutal sanity had run mad. Ooh ooh it's really great that dark souls asked description come on after many years of calculating brutal sanity. Shut up. Stephen king man. I want us at a podcast about this motherfucker. That's some good writing. That's really fun. God i was some dialogue. I've never thought the dialogue in these pieces is always like perfect phenomenon just because it it. Is you applying modern usage talking to your friends to a situation. That's really unfamiliar. But i like this. One of the dial gets dreamlike for a while. Yeah and i think it is because of that combination of idiosyncratic characters and like different universe speak. I would love to take eddie if you wanna be roll into narrator this so just for context. This is roland is going crazy. And so he's giving his guns a to. Eddie for safekeeping rowland looks so strange without his sons. Okay now that the numb fuck apprentices have the guns in the masters on. Can we please go. If something big comes out of the bush at us roland you can always throw your knife at that. He murmured i almost forgot. He took the knife from his purse and held it out. Hilt i to eddie. This is ridiculous. Life is ridiculous. Yeah put it on a postcard and send it to the fucking reader's digest. He jammed the knife into his belt and then looks to find the roland. Now can we go. There is one more thing. romans said. Weeping creeping jesus. The smile touched rovings mouth. Again just joking. He said he's mouth dropped open beside him. Susannah began to laugh again. The sound rose as musical as bells in the morning. Stillness just kinda weird super weird rainy. And i don't know how long it's been since we made the stilted dialogue apologised joke but boy. Do i love this weird stilted dial jesus sounds like marin i love like gesher talks like a pirate for some reason like ever in. This book has a weird voice. And i just. I don't know it shouldn't work but it does for me like if you can approach this book without a hint of irony you're gonna get it. You're going to like it. I got one more honorable dishonorable mention. I don't know what to call it. I don't either. But it is my favorite transition to a new chapter in the entire stephen king cannon so far you don't need any real context understand why this is hilarious to me and i'm gonna do this audio book style. Two hours later. The sound stopped. Suddenly as it had begun white featureless clouds had begun to fill the sky above them. I failing the early sun than blotting it out. The circle of standing stones lay less than five miles ahead now gleaming in the shadow last night like the teeth of a fallen monster. Just one of those things where he comes out sometimes. I'm ready to really regularly knocks him. Stock sauce socks off today. Chapter twenty spaghetti week at the majestic the batter dispirited. Marquee jutting over the corner of brooklyn and markey avenues proclaimed fucking go on from like the most dramatic drawn out craftsmanship being displayed directly into all caps center the page spaghetti week at the majestic. I like to believe it's intentional. I like to believe that the little joke through in their me too. I don't know if he's in charge of typeface but whoever was sought in. Yeah yeah that's correct. Also of course we should point out that the two movies playing at the majestic are the good about the ugly and fistful dollars so you know things things ripple things ripple also my local might closest is the majestic. I like that amazing so good. I think that we should take it over to the web. So typically this is where we would talk about. Connections to other stephen king works. We're going to use it a little differently this episode just because there's some stuff that we need to get into the like deep lore about and there's just not a better segment for that so phoenix take us. Away arts was a couple of things that can't come in the main points that have to come off right now that you'll need moving forward one. The twelve portals okay. There are twelve portals in the multi verse. The portals are six. They're the ends of six beams. Thank you got. You got six cylinders. It's a wheel with spokes right and has six spokes in the places where the spokes touched. The wheel are the portals portals. Are named after animal pairings think bear. Read it right Or one under this focus. When animal under spoke at the the other animal this can be seen as a metaphor. For like god's light like these teams are supposed to be the the spiritual all encompassing I dunno photo kinetic energy. It's the most dark tower thing possible. Just just just buy into it like. Don't try to make active sense of it. They hold the universe and they're connected to each other and there is duality in pairing. And just let let it be metaphysical you know. Just it makes as much sense as any other spiritual parable your why not you know. So then we're introduced to corporations that exist Sort of independent of capitalism but corporations that work between many universes across the multi-diverse to basically the evil one is called sombra corporation. are- it's real estate company. So the the highest form of evil in stephen king's mind is landlords which is topical subir corporation serve the interests of the crimson king all across realms except rural mid world with a talisman takes place Operate there then. There's north central positron ix area some record and they specialize in robotics to replace beams with their own tech the wheel as it were the word. Positron onyx taking from isaac asimov they create shark and blaine It sounds like a bond villain company is what it sounds like. North central positively dot com bond central. Positron ix subsidary of the psalm record. I'm sure you've heard of us. These things play a more central role in the graphic novel versions of these books. Which we haven't gotten into are going to because the like a lot of billboards that are in the shown in drawings and a lot of the buildings have these names on them. So there's more clues in the graphic novels. Love that and i was wondering where you're getting this information because i was like. Oh the graphic now member none of this great. We'll talk about the graphic novels in the future. It's going to be a whole lot episode on them in january to worry about. It is going to be a whole thing all right. I think we have a lot to cover this episode. we've been taking it pretty leisurely. I would like to take us to. An additional segment is pet cemetery takeaways. There's a very good boy in this book. There is a very good boy in this book. All right so this is our segment where we talk about animals. The animals that we love and root for in stephen king. 'cause i love animals i do. You know who doesn't love animals so much we by this guy something. We animals who care about them. It said i'm not gonna get like all better shape about them. I didn't go to the zoo. Till i was an adult. You know what i mean. Yeah i absolutely get all bent out of shape over animals and we have a really really good this book. I would like to tell you dear listener about a wonderful little creature called the billy bumbler. Now what is ability. Bumbler great question. It's like a dog a raccoon and a ferret all rolled into one Is very poke amani. They do have the ability to kind of pair. It human speech so they can't talk right like they're not. They're not chatty but in the same way that like a parrot will learn to like say things like i love you or whatever. Billy bumblers kind of do that with kind of a low grumbly bark so the way that roy got his name is that jake commands him and is like here boy and what does what does this creature say he says roy instead they named him on and i think that is just a delightful detail in an otherwise very grim book. And i think that that's partly why i liked. The character of so much is that he's like important to the cat like it does a bunch of stuff in the story but he's also important kind of A reminder jake is a kid and reminder that good things exist and i like him for that. And i like just going for the term billy bumbler. I would like to know where. Stephen king got the term. Billy bumbler and i would like five billy bumblers. I would bet that it was the very first thing that came to mind. I hope so. It's divine inspiration where we call it. Billy bumbler do we. Billy bombay's billy bunglers billy bumbler. Billy bumbler phenomenal so good Do you have anything to say about these sweet. Bumbling boys i sure don't let's take it to the mysterious archivist section bumba. This is going to be a a turnaround here. We've got two things to talk about one which is new and one which is relating to this. Mary program let's do the not a one. I so our mysterious archivist sometimes sends us stories by stephen king that are in print out in the world that are not in collections. He just this time said. That's one in esquire magazine from october. Twenty twenty this is a brand new story. This piece starts off as a slice of life piece about family in a station wagon in twenty twenty right The dialogue is weird and forced and the narration. Seems like somebody else wrote it The vibe is really really often. You'll if you read the first paragraph solo exactly what i mean. I think that the reason for this is that the peace picks up into being something different than it is The technology writing is surprisingly good. It's like you know our ipad. Gps stop working cut. You know does not always stephen king strong suit as we have talked about on the program right so it actually is pretty believable poorly written. I i don't know what's going on with this piece. I got like literally whiplash from it. So here's the basic plot is the whole family. Mom dad brother. Sister and grandpap are on their way to see a great aunt. Dying there in the station wagon or a different big car. maybe they come across. The lot of an old in grandpap is familiar with at that law. There are too sketchy guys. They all say they're hayes than a little boy sees a dead body in the in the foundation of the building right so the two men realize that they are caught. They start shooting but this is the main family so even though the middle class main failure station wagon they're also arms so they'd return all of this happens in about as many words as i am presenting it now making a whiplash narrative that ends before it begins. I guess that's the way it always is magazine fiction. I'm just not used to it. I have no idea what the point of the story is. Nor can i give you a theme or genera. But i'm glad to see we're still getting new pieces from this guy in his seventies. I love the idea of like a mini van. Shootout is very odd. An odd sounding piece. I'll take it. You know. And i i like that esquires toe publishing short stories. There used to be way way way back at this point. This huge booming short fiction market. Where people could make a living off of writing short fiction for magazines and that doesn't really exist anymore. There's kind of a similar model that starting to take shape in terms of like online independent publishing things like zine and whatnot but it is kind of cool to get these little blasts from the past steven. I wish to a short story esquire kinds of things and i i think for that lineage. It's worth it so let's talk about the other thing. This is In relationship to our conversation last episode about data walker. Now if you're just joining us for the dark tower three three. So you didn't join dr tower one or two you like you know i'm gonna start stephen entire canon and this niche podcast. Both on the third tower book. Let me catch up on some stuff. We did last episode. We talked a bit about data walker and we had some let's say he. St literary analysis Which are archivist. And some other folks rightly pointed out. We hadn't gone into our usual depth about what we felt was wrong with that character. Now data walker. We have talked about plays into some really ugly stereotypes that exist about black women in particular. We made the claim really specifically. I made the claim that there are basically two ways to think about data as a metaphor for needing to control one's violent blackness or as a realistic portrayal of black women which is even worse. Because then you're saying that black people are actually like this so both of those readings are pretty overtly racist for reasons. We talked about episode but we missed something important which is really that that first metaphor is not the the literary tradition. That stephen king was writing in. What we missed was that this is really a meditation on. What unjust wrongdoing in discrimination does to people right so there's an interpretation of data which basically says society's treatment of black people and you know specifically data is so brutal that it it broke her right. There are two halves of her personality. That stand in for two kinds of reactions. People can have to the stupid unthinking uncaring brutality of racism one is essentially upright and proper but hides this world of hurt that is inside of them and doesn't engage with that issue and the other one is warped by the hurt into a bitter angry person and the whole idea is the triumph of susanna. Is that. She faces the hurt without losing her compassion. Which is kind of the best that any of us could hope to do when dealing with institutionalized discrimination against us. How did we miss all that. Well the short answer is that the stereotypical side of data blindsided us. Speaking personally as someone who has done significant studies into minstrel and how it justified violence and suppression in america that we are still fighting and speaking as someone who has black relatives who have to deal with the damage of stereotypes about black women day in and day out. I was really riled up right i. It's painful to read stereotypical characters when you have interacted with the stereotype that that causes harm in the same way that when we talked about the towels man. There is a gay man on the road. Who's a predator and that colored. Our interpretation of the entire book because that stereotype has been used to jail gay men for decades if not centuries similarly with the kinds of stereotypes that data is interacting with. So i got mad and when i get mad i tend to hide that behind showmanship so to the people who we compared to the mythical racist uncle my sincere apologies. That was not called for not your fault if you like this character and you were able to see this deeper literary thing good anya. I was blinded by rage which is ironic given the character metaphor. Here that being said we maintain. I maintain that whatever goal is king may have had for data as a character are hamstrung by this weird blaxploitation style. Fake ebonics thing that she has going on. The inauthentic city of the character makes it hard to read as a character that is speaking to authentic hurt. At least for me so seeing as to will be journeying with susannah for a while longer we felt it was important to go back talk about what the ark represents in a way. That is a little more to our typical analytical depth and also to just say like if you felt that we were calling you racist for enjoying that book. That's uncalled for. And we the two of us are very much of the opinion that everyone carries with them a certain degree of internalized racism and it benefits us to get used to saying and hearing. Oh that thing was racist and not having it be like the end of the world. That's one of the things that we're really interested in doing on this. Podcast is leading Critique without throwing the baby out with the bathwater and that's not really what we did last episode. I was throwing a lot of babies last episode. I don't know if you noticed them will fuckers. Were flying all over the boys f for that. I apologize well to add. I mean i feel like that's pretty much what there is to say no. I think that was pretty comprehensive. Yeah all all hail the beam. I guess i'll i'll things serve that fucking beam. Let's move along to the mid ship all right everyone. Here we are at the mid show break. Do not forget we have social media and we like it when you're on it. Yeah we like those engagements we also have patriot entities. And we like it. When you're on those two thank you describe irs. Happy to have you around. Yeah welcome to it you know. It does help for us to have the funding to continue this program. It's not like a lot of money that it takes hosted or whatever but the amount of time that we porn to this is pretty significant and we appreciate the people that can help us use that time efficiently and all that so thank you to those who are already supporting us if you would like to support us and you don't have any cash offer. We totally get it. It is the year of our lord twenty twenty. Things are not going to plan if you've enjoyed this program. It's helped you like wash the dishes or whatever one tell us about it. We love to hear it too. If you wouldn't mind sharing it with a friend that you think would be interested boy. Howdy we sure would appreciate it. Absolutely unlike stephen king we are gonna make you wait six years for the next episode. Which would love. The distance was between this book. The next book We've got the next dark howard book coming at you in two weeks. In the meantime we're going to cover fistful of dollars. Be we've mentioned already on this program in which we know contributes to the cannon in this series anything else stephen Are we taking that. We're not taking a holiday break at all Now we had all last month off. We're just plowing through to the listeners. Who celebrate this holiday a very happy hannukah to you. I think it might be over by the time that it drops but it is not over by the time of our recording So you know much love we appreciate you. We hope you're having a healthy restful holiday and Yeah to the rest of the who have holidays coming up. We'll be shutting those out as the come to we got we got solstice. We got christmas. who solstice. we got that new year old baby. New year's is going to be a trip. Ooh i can't wait already. I'm just waiting for it to go. Five four three two and then all of a sudden it's thirteen o'clock twenty on december thirty seconds. It's going to be the fourteen way. We niche speaker call. We have any other hacky. Twenty twenty jokes to make we give role. I think we should move forward to needful themes out literally analysis section so both of us have pretty short stuff. This week were just Kind of shorten it purchased so that we can get through this episode without you having to listen to an hour forty five minutes while you dishes just scrubbing that verano for staring at avoid. Try not to think about work. we don't. We both had things that we needed to say that. We're like not long enough for our typical thing but still relevant. That couldn't go anywhere else so we're going to do. Those is going to be great. I'm gonna get out my timer safe phoenix. I would love it if you could go. I all right. this is called. Connections to t s eliot the wasteland or continuing to parse out works at king was influenced by or the poem. Every author is hard for this story share some elements with tsa elliott's the wasteland one of the most famous english poems in probably the centerpiece of all of modernism. It has many genres. Many speakers and many themes in the main point is disillusionment and despair. It mixes are three and legends with modern british society. The opening line. April is the cruellest month and another line. I will show you fear in. A handful of dust are highly quotable and show up in this book. The poem is about what a shit show. Europe was after world war one n the nineteen eighteen influenza epidemic so we can relate The two main sections of the dark tower book fear in a handful of dust and a heap of broken images are named after lines in the poem for a lot of scholars. Indeed for myself. When i first jumped into this short piece. The similarities between these two literary works stops there. The wastelands is a very strange name for this dark tower book because it does not at any point. Take place there It's mentioned a few times only in passing and when the book ends they are headed towards their. I considered abandoning this topic. But what is literary criticism. If not drawing lines where lines are not otherwise drawn in so i present the two main similarities between the poem and this book both pieces are inherently absurd in fantasy modernism aren't all that different elliott's wasteland switches perspectives often sometimes without warning while king at least warns us. Both pieces have an enchanting quality of listening to his story in a crowd. Both pieces also heavily draw from older stories Where elliott's wasteland falls. Our theory and myths in kings mixes elements of decades older westerns and modern sci-fi on point of modern sci-fi elliott's wasteland includes almost psychedelic depicts descriptions of war machines sometimes through medieval lens in kings. Well cyborg barons indian train. I think those are the elements. Elliott would have applauded the most the absurd but somehow believable post modern stuff elliott to worry about capitalism intact logical advance in king is in this piece expressing anxiety about artificial intelligence computers in corporate states. A lot of these elements lead to both of these works being capital w weird totally absurd kind of hard to get a handle on without help. People have never read anything like the land. In king being literary nut he was is embodying modernism. He saw there in his fantasy elements speaking of martyrs adventure. Fantasy sci fi. let's compare the two modernism breaks classical norms by definition. And for that reason you could say modernism walks at fantasy could run but the norms that modernism was breaking the norms of realistic fiction. In what was at the time contemporary realism so in that way the to our apples and oranges hover sci-fi before modernism. Frankenstein being a prime example of scifi peace and real romanticism but having the contemporary reader get acclimated to unusual elements as elliott's wasteland helped with could perhaps be said to pave the way for widespread fantasy and sci fi readership. The next book partly takes place in the wasteland. As far as i can tell so. Hopefully i can make this a two parter in. Shed light on how the pieces might be connected lower than towed genre for example by setting which is really what i expected. All right. yeah. I mean it was a little under yet about twenty seconds to go What's nice about. I like when you do these kinds of historical ones. Because that's not my strong suit and i appreciate the perspective of like. Here's the literary history I i don't know like when i think of modernism i don't i don't know what i think like. I think i'm more acquainted with what modernism looks like as an aesthetic in the visual arts as opposed to in literature. And i guess. I just don't think of it as a precursor to the kinds of genre things that i like in no small part because i think the genre fiction that we both enjoy whether it's westerns horror cy. Whatever are thought of as like commercial and in lesser than the the more artsy literature side of reading and writing and whatnot and i feel like modernism to me has always tasted like it. It falls over on that literature sidhu. Yeah definitely but i do think that modernism gave people who wouldn't have normally been into that. Were commercial that more lesser greasier stuff. away in by being like here some weird ass stuff and of course in a very short time. Elliott's modernism became postmodernism became post postmodernism. We're talking about sixty seventy eighty here. What's after post postmodernism Where we're at now despair. Just another saturday afternoon. Recording of my boy a nice relaxing conversation. Literature i have the timer open for yours. Feel free to start winning. Ever you want to all right. I will be talking about Westerns and tension building in length. So three two one go this book and all of the western media that i've been consuming as a result have got me thinking about different ways of working with tension in media usually because i'm a horror nerd. I think about tension in terms of danger and uncertainty unnerving. Ima dri immediate threat. That sort of thing. But that's more my wheelhouse where westerns certainly working immediate threat especially bodily threat Damage to the body is all over. The place in westerns. They excel at something that i'm really not as used to utilising length to drive tension. It's a very simple strategy but it works. It works across a whole bunch of different things. There's a whole genre of comedy devoted to capitalizing on this kind of tension building known either as a brick joke or a shaggy dog story depending on who you ask. Slow-burn romance to benefits from the sheer length of time building up under will they. Won't they details my theory. Is that this kind of tension has to do with a psychological phenomenon called delay gratification. Which is exactly what it sounds like. Basically it's really hard to wait for something that you want. A good story makes you want something either an outcome for a character or the answer to a question when authors used length to attention. They're making us wait and wait and wait and wait and that is a difficult thing. Delayed gratification is hard and that want becomes more extreme over time. But wait. I hear you saying just because something is long doesn't mean it's compelling in fact i hear you continuing many long. Things are actively not tense at all. Explain that stephen. I hear you concluding well dear listener. If you've ever sat through a three hour long movie bored to tears and wishing for death in all likelihood it's because that movie didn't make you want anything delayed gratification only works if you're anticipating a reward and media that uses length to create tension has to continually work to keep you invested in that reward. Take for example the good the bad and the ugly which was talked about last week. That movies long. It's three hours. That's an eighth of a day but the movie is always moving towards one compelling destination the gold there are questions about the gold that need to be answered such as is it even real and as more and more minutes tick by without any way of knowing about the gold those deeper questions burrow deeper and deeper into your brain by the time you arrive. That three person standoff. You've been waiting for that reward so long. The tension is a physical thing in your body. Because you need to know. Which of course brings us back to stephen king. Now it's no secret. That king can write words onwards onwards. He is not known for being a concise author. But even still. There aren't many books. Have this kind of unified style single mission which is announced on page one. The ones that come to mind for me gerald's game in the girl who loved tom. Gordon are both survival tales in the question is will. They live with the dark tower series. The question the gratification being delayed about the dark tower what is it how far are they. What's in there will child roll into the dark tower. Come king keeps the plot moving with smaller goals but the makeup of the book by book plot. There's only one singular goal get to the tower. That's it and the dark tower fans tend to be kind of rabid about loving the series. And i think a lot of it has to do with this western extended tension thing at this point. We're three books in. We've read twelve thousand seventy five pages of rowling's journey and it's left on a cliffhanger which is rude for one but it's also like we're not even halfway there and something i've noticed about you know. S k groups online. Is that people talk about reading these books. As a journey in and of itself like the timeframe the sheer volume of these books is so extreme that can to commit to reading. Them is very much like rollins task. It's arduous at a show of real stamina and that's my time there. Dunno where we're at the time. I think you did great with time. 'cause i accidentally turned the time off the halfway through nano. Let you roll with it. So thank you killed it. Yeah but i think because. I'm not as familiar with western. So i'm only familiar with the american spaghetti western. I'm not familiar with your grandfather's westerns. Bonanza you know what i mean but i can say that i. I think you're right to draw connection between attention. The good the bad nearly in detention in these books you can put space creatively inactivity into your beat film or be literature and every single time. Run the risk of your shit being boring. And neither sergio leone or stephen king yet for me. In these years we've been covering have reached the boring part. They haven't they. Haven't lost on the draw. I man you could not have said that better. Yeah you could not have said that better. I love that. And i think it's interesting. I see this a lot in horror forums. I think horror fans tend to be really impatient about getting thrills. And you'll see it a lot when people talk about things like the witch or even like just any any slow-burn horror that is also incorporating elements of has this issue or people are like well. No one's going to tap decapitated within five minutes. So it's boring because people want that that thrill immediately and i think it's cool to watch king flex these muscles because if you compare this to something like it where the thrills or continual and the goals keep changing like that's a very different texture to how the tension works throughout. I've really appreciated the slower pace awesome. Take you over to committed reading. This is exactly what sounds like. We're recommend some things read after having read this. So i feel like we've talked about this last program before by. We absolutely have it. Because i've never heard of this and what you were about to say is buck y. I don't i don't know this could be true but okay so how That guy made cats. What's his name. Andrew lloyd webber. You made cats musical by anthromorph cats. That singing dance. He made another one called the starlight express about trains on. Everybody dances and sings on roller skates and their trains and they will fall in love in the hit each other and also trains adaptation ran a. I wanna shoot taylor swift song in it. Let's do this. Cat is so universally reviled was such a loss of money. I don't think any andrew. Lloyd webber peace will ever go to fill ever again. I really really want it though. Have you considered that considered how much i want this person away. I will start a kickstarter bond. i don't care. How much did it cost to three hundred dollars. The refine yet to three hundred million lost. I wanna see the butthole kind of cats anyways. Not topical by the way I'm it's topical in my heart forever. So i watched. I couldn't find it on youtube. Spotify you listen to the tunes and their android whatever tunes and they're absurd and they're fine. They're fun But there is a youtube video of starlight express on ice and it is so bonkers. I watched all of it so good. I love that My recommendation this week. And i would be baffled by having recommended. This before is fallout new vegas this book in particular of the dark tower books. I've read so far really makes it hard not to talk about fallout new. Vegas which is yeah. It's a video game set in the fallout universe. Which is made by the festa but this game was handled by a different set of developers namely obsidian entertainment. And they do a bang-up job it's post apocalyptic. Western sci there's drama. There's a lot of like funny environmental stuff and also like scary mental stuff. The soundtrack is super americana. This game introduced a lot of people to the song. Big iron for example I played it through probably three or four times. I'm due for another go and in particular. The sections in ludd are very fallout. New vegas and i'd be i'd be interested to know if those developers had influence by dr tower universe. I'd be surprised at this point. If they didn't let's call it. Let's call and let's you mail some people away. Probably twitter pod you. I haven't played this game. And i don't have time for video games but it's going on the list of things i want to get to. It's very fun. I recommend it. Yeah the newsy. He's so good. Let's take our to battle the books where we talk about. Which book like tomorrow one. We've read the other one previously on the program which means we are pitting the drawing three against wastelands. This is a knockout wasteland. Win for sure spoiled earlier up top by you can feed me anti capitalist plotlines in atlanta shit every day of the week and drawing the three. I don't know it was a great great anything. It was necessary set up. Yeah yeah it was a yeah. It was the time spent setting up. Nominees yeah yeah and i you know. I'm glad that i read it. It's easily bottom of the barrel for me in terms of books we've read on the program bottom assed not the bottom est earth autumn's by a long shot but it's definitely like not gonna win the yearly bracket. It's just nowhere in the contention this piece depending on the year we have and i know that we're reading sale and from buick so depending on the year we have this one could get pretty high up there just in terms of enjoyment ab so that the i think winning along we should take it to cujo believing this is our fact corner where phoenix digs up at different fun fact about stephen king every other week i don't know how he does it. We've been going for a while now. Takes longer and longer every times. The original title of t s eliot the wasteland. Was he do the police in different voices. That's a doozy. And i don't understand and i don't want you to explain it got my fun. Fact is kings. Representation has posted a few links to a reach to a fundraiser for research related to addison's disease which she has and we will be posting those other famous people with addison's disease Which is a chronic lack of adrenaline characterized by a lack of adrenal tissue. Include jane austen and perhaps most famously john f. kennedy wmo. We'll put those in our description on social media this week Yeah what's the money for a good cause. Next week we will be covering a fistful of dollars for our off week. Episode which is the first in the series of three. That culminates with the good. The bad and the ugly. We're we're doing our roominess. Tunis round up here this month. The stephen king club you might as well call sergio leone a cloud and cast we are. We are fifty fifty point in the season. We are fifty. Fifty works as stephen king works. Sergio leone in chapter twenty is western. Week baby were there. we would like to thank. I was curious arcus frying We would like to thank the stephen and tabitha king foundation for their philanthropic work in state of maine. We would like to thank the calif. Fishermen are graphic design and monica chan for doing our posters. Tony magistrelli michael blue in for being our academis and we would like to thank you dear listener. I personally would like to thank phoenix. Crockett my sweet bible boy. I personally like micro Stephen donald info list off the last four digits of my social security. While you're at it let the let them know. He lives apartment To this phone number is awesome. Thank you for today. Journalists next week when we're covering some more sketti westerns your then.

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Episode 52 - The Gunslinger

The Stephen King Boo! Club

52:45 min | 3 months ago

Episode 52 - The Gunslinger

"Content morning rated PG-13 for violence Gore and guns Only a corpse may speak true prophecy. It's the Stephen King Boo Club in case I blow Stevens mine and we can't continue the project off. Yeah, Legalize It. I really enjoy knowing your worth interest Alba. God pick something good. You were in The Wire now, let's see. I'm Steven Anderson now and I'm Phoenix Crockett and this week. We are reading the Gunslinger the first book of The Dark Tower series published in nineteen eighty-two Now Phoenix. You have an important note before we begin. Would you like to talk about it? I sure do. It's important to note that we are reading the original eighties Story the revised version from 2003 which now has far more reprints than the original has 9,000 more words than the original and two thousand words extracted and is dead in some ways. That would be very obvious in the main points. So check your addition. Phoenix, I will take the main points would love it if you would. Roland deschain of Gilead is a cowboy in a universe that is the desolate future of an alternate universe to our own the rules of the old church and West have returned but elements of modern life such as gas stations and the Beatles remain Roland clumps alongside his mule toward Walter the man in Black his adversary and leader as part of his quest to find the Dark Tower. Roland comes across a man in a hovel named Brown and his pet Crow Zoltan and decides to spend the night there. He relates a long tail light brown about the town of tall which turned on him after being Bewitched by The Man in Black every man woman and child in that town tried to kill him including the church leader that the man in Black impregnated and an addicted man the man in Black brought back to life like Lazarus. Even Rowland's lover Ali whom he slept with an exchange information about the man in Black turns on him having been given information about the nature of death that drives her to Madness. Roland defending himself kills everyone in town and walks on leaving even his dead mule to be eaten by Brown. Roland almost dead in the desert comes upon a boy named Jake Chambers who died in the modern American Universe after being struck by a vehicle in Manhattan off Jake brings him water and food and Roland hypnotizes him into telling him about his death then allowing Jake to forget the painful event. They speak with a demon who lives in a drain in the basement. And before they set out together Roland grabs the demons jaw bone from the whole as a protective charm Jake and Roland find off your land. Nearby Green Grass and trees Jake is tempted by a succubus / Oracle. But Roland takes one for the team and sleeps with her instead so that he can gain information about The Dark Tower Jake meditates on the Jawbone while Roland is away and discards it when he returns Jake becomes very anxious about his future. In a series of flashbacks Roland tells Jake that he was trained as a gunslinger by the master of Court. He was tricked into beginning his trial early by Martin and Alias of the Man in Black slash Walter who now has another name Randall Flagg. This man is a powerful sorcerer been office trying Society Rowland's defeats court and battle using his battlehawk David dies as a result Roland and Jake began traveling via and abandoned mineshaft battling slow mutants, which are humanoid monsters that live underground at the end of the tracks. The man in Black is waiting and after a brief scuffle Jake is left hanging from Mind tracks suspended in the air Roland makes the decision to follow the man in Black rather than save Jake's life. Jake yells to him go then off. Are other worlds than these? Catching up with the man in Black roll and demands answers about the tower the Men in Black reads Roland a set of tarot cards made up of characters who must find and bring to his section of the Multiverse called all in one room and tells him that his real enemy. Is he who controls the tower and that he himself is but a pawn he then chose role in the home known universe to show him how small he is and exhorts him to end his quest row and refuses and Walter / black / Randall Flagg off and fall asleep when he awakens ten years have passed and a skeleton when he presumes belongs to Walter lays beside him. Roland takes Walter's job. Our heads towards the prisoner the lady of Shadows and death. We must bring to all world. Now it's time for full dark. No structure. Well, we're finally here folks. Yeah, you know, we've been dancing around the Dark Tower for quite some time. Now. I hadn't caught in the first read of the book until you read me the song Marie how crazy it must be to wake up and have ten years of your existence gone by but such a heavy way to end. There's a lot of weird one-off details in this book, I think because it's so understated in its style of writing that if you stop and think about your like, oh, yeah, let us let's take a step back and explain for longtime listeners. Yes. We are going through Stephen King's books chronologically. Yes, technically. Wish we should have read this way the hell back in time. However, our original plan was to do a special Dark Tower series and knock them all out in one go but after reading black house and then everything's eventual the connect. Directions to The Dark Tower Universe became so constant and sustained that it was starting to actually get difficult to get everything out of what we were reading having not read any of the Dark Tower books. So he took our new plan we're going to catch up we're going to do what the majority of Dark Tower fans had to do which is Devour the first four books more or less together and then we're going to wait like a good while until we can finish our journey later in the podcast. Thus we will be caught up chronologically spiritually and semantically amen. Yeah, Hey and if if you think the tone of that reading was weird, you should read the book hold the book get weird crap. The tone is strange The Dark Tower series. It does not hold a place in the world of fantasy literature that the Lord of the Rings does that, you know, even on a in a kids level Harry Potter game. Does and I don't know if we're going to explore the reasons for that. But just remember if you aren't reading along or even if you are how unlike anything else this is as we move forward. Yeah, absolutely Phoenix. Do you want to take us to sweet Screams our best of section? I sure do. We both have one here and I got I got a long and you got a shortened. I got a shortened. So this what I'm about to say this thing happens a lot in the book where it's it's almost like it's written like one long. It's kind of like how the Bible is written like one liners a lot of the time like this just appears in the middle of a paragraph. I do not aim with my hand he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father I aim with my I I do not shoot with my hand. He who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I shoot off with my mind. I do not kill with my gun he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father. I kill with my heart and that last name Is really a semantically important for this piece because Roland kills a lot of people like kind of an absurd number of people in this book. He has one of them was like infinite supply of Mo guns and it he just boy, he just moves him down and it's true that he he kills with his heart every single person who dies in this book. There is a good amount of time spelt spent on the guilt and sadness and off like deep rage that Roland feels having done these things. I would like to hear yours. All right. So this is a pretty lengthy a selection. There's this psychedelic portion at the end of the book now Roland has been on his quest for the vast majority of this. He's seeking answers, right? We don't Reserve Fully understand what answer is he needs to seek? We just know he's seeking answers. He catches up with the man in Black AKA Randall Flagg Walter and Walter just just laid it on him. So I'm gonna throw some like bad meditation music behind this and we will we'll see how it goes. You see size defeats us for the fish the lake in which he lives is the universe. What does the fish think when he is jerked up by the mouth through the silver limits of existence and into a new universe where the air drowns him and the light is Blue Madness where huge buy pads with no guilt stuff it into a suffocating box and cover it with wet weeds to die or one might take the tip of the pencil and magnify it one reaches the point where a stunning realization strikes home. The pencil tip is not solid. It is composed of atoms which world and revolve like a trillion demon planets. What seemed solid to us is actually only a loose net held together by gravity viewed at their actual size the distances between these atoms might become legal. Golf's eons the atoms and themselves are composed of nuclei and revolving protons and electrons one may step down further to sub atomic particles. And then to what try gallons nothing, of course, not everything in the universe denies. Nothing to suggest an ending is the one certainty. Yeah Legalize It I'm with your boy. Yeah. Yeah. Stephen King really had his Galactic realization. Be some stuff get real big and some stuff get real small, but if you look at it real small stuff real big it look big. It's like when like seventeen year olds first discover, like what Clark's and quasars are and they just binge like, you know, Alex and Jorge explain the world or S like that page there sure if we should take it to a section that is a special edition of Adam and Steve's off. So, this is our Bible section. And typically this is where Phoenix would bring us through some of the Bible parallels like, oh we could talk about last name is here, but fuck that we're bored. Let's do a game show. Huh? Let's do a game show. Honestly The Story of Lazarus is boring in the connections are boring. So what I'm going to do, I'm going to give you one liners and you're going to tell me is it a Dark Tower one liner or a Bible one liner cuz it's pretty hard to tell sometimes this is not right. The Great American Bible game show with toast Drive Jeff Foxworthy, which I'm really good after that show. I've seen a lot of it. I watched a lot of that show to fuk up one of my friends Netflix queue and this is way better. This is the Stephen King Boo Club gameshow. Yeah. So cool. All right, bring me up a page on this one, There's one two, three, four, five six seven eight nine of them. And if you get the majority of them, right V, I will I don't know I'll order you a pizza and have it sent to your apartment. Yo hell, yeah high-stakes. Let's do it. We'll start with an easy one. That's a Gimmie. He changed his hand has forgotten the face of his father I aim with my eye. Yeah, that is a gaming that's Dark Tower. We literally just read it looked up to get one. You get one. Thank you. Sounds like you don't. All right time is the thief of memory. That's gotta be Dark Tower. That's Dark Tower to 2 and 9 to 4 to here we go for we walk by faith not by sight. Oh man, that could be either for sure Bible. That's five little. Man Sunday school finally paying off, but be doers of the world and not hearers only deceiving yourselves. I run that one by me one more time. I just need to hear the Timbre but be doers of the world not hearers only deceiving yourselves. I want to say Bible best Bible. Oh, man, you're killing. It. Was there ever a trap to match the Trap Of Love. Bible That's Dark Tower There Goes My streak you sign is going to be this week bible boy today. You're still micro leak at the QT you Friends and lovers lie endlessly caught in the web of regard. Dark Tower Dark Tower, okay, we're back with it. We're back with it. How many I got left to to? Okay, here we go. You cannot friend a hawk. They said unless you are a hawk yourself alone and only a Sojourner in the land without friends or the need of them. That one's got to be Dark Tower cuz it's Western as hell. You got it. All right, last one last one off our gracious words are a honeycomb sweet to the soul and the bones know this one could be either gracious words are off color switch to the soul and healing to the bones. Okay, I'm going to lead you through my reasoning on this one. All right. I think and don't tell me if I'm right yet. I think this one is the Bible because the Bible sure do love talking about, honey. You got it. Yeah, that's eight out of nine boy. Are you still there? Yeah, dude, amazing. You'd awesome. I'm going to send a Bible Pizza off. All the fans out there. This one's for you my boy Jeezy upstairs. So well, thanks gz. Yeah, cool. What are we doing else off the podcast here? Right? What are we we are doing a podcast cool. Hey, do you want to take it to an early mid show. I would love to take it to the mid show. We are here in spooky October. It is 37 degrees in Vermont. The punk kids are being harvested. I'm generally frightened all the time so good. I've seen like twelve ghosts so far came out the most wonderful time of the year so good. So we've got some October plans that we will be talking about as always we're gonna Phoenix. Do you want to just burn through our plans? You want to talk to the nice people about what we're doing after Dark Tower. We have got our general March Madness, which we always do. We have got carry Revisited the year in review. We've got a very very special Halloween episode coming to you. We are going to wrap up this second season with so much cool stuff. Then we've got a little Hiatus where we have to go write a paper for a text book about Stephen King. That is the gospel truth. And then we're going to come back. We're going to hit you with Dark Tower two. We are super excited to kick off season 3 before you go unsubscribe that Hiatus we will be giving you stuff every single week in November will be doing feed drops for our various appearances on other day podcast, so you can look forward to a whole bunch of Stephen King adjacent content there and also just stuff about us and what we we are up to when we're not doing this so long we've hand-selected some stuff you they're just you know, what to expect in the next two months. Hey, Guess what? We got social media baby. We got Facebook. You can follow us on there and also on Instagram. We have a Twitter which I'm pretty active on edge. Of course, we got a patreon if you would like to throw us a little bit of funding for this program. We greatly appreciate it. If you don't have the means right now totally off and we get it do take a moment to subscribe if you haven't already and if you don't mind telling just one friend about the program if you're enjoying it. Yeah, we sure would appreciate it. Is that everything we're doing everything with that? I think it's everything. I'm considering starting a finsta for the Stephen King book club. I don't even know what that is. It's the thing the kids are doing it's it's a off-peak Instagram account. It's where you post all the stuff you don't want like your parents and employers to see but it's still kind of like your friends kind of know that it's you so it's like it's not your rinsta, which is your real birth. Instagram with your finsta, holy crap God the kids these days in their their understanding of how social media works on Aging rapidly. All my thoughts are on my head has turned white. I'm drying up and turning into a skeleton, you know would help me feel a lot better if we took it to a one minute. Golden I put together to commemorate the beginnings of The Dark Tower think first fight afterwards the soldiers art One Taste of the old times sets All To Rights Quad Cab in the midst way, but the tower itself the ground Squad turret blinders The Falls heart built a brownstone without a counter place in the whole world The Tempest smoking elf points to the shipment us the Unseen shelfi strikes on when the Timbers start not I'm not seeing because of Life perhaps some day came back again program before it left the dying Sun said Kindle through a class off like giant as a hunting rage in one hand and to see the game and pay stab and and the creature cuz I have off what noise was everywhere in told increasing like a bell names in my gears all the lights off. Adventurers my peers such a one was strong and such was bold as such was fortunate Jan each all long One Nails the World War years rarely stood down along the hillsides Met to view the Last of Me a living frame for one more picture in a shame the plane. I saw them and I talked to them and yet. Plus the Slughorn to my lips I set and child Roland to The Dark Tower came Let's take it now to Needville themes are literary analysis section Steven. I work for way too long on this and I have no idea how I'm going to keep it and 40 minutes. So here's the thing. Mine is I wrote this in a frenzy of sorts what I can only describe as A Fugue state it gets a little bit weird. And I know you like to start with the goofy ones and this one gets very goofy. So would you like me to start goofy to start off? I'm going to get up that timer for those of you just joining us. We have a literary analysis section where we limit ourselves to four minutes cuz otherwise we'll absolutely talk for way too long about themes and such. Are you ready? I was born ready off 210 baby. It is time to talk about Hamlet my dudes dudettes and do day dams. Now. We already know that Stephen King has a solid basis in Shakespeare. We know this because a he was a high school English teacher and be Shakespeare makes his way into Kings Works frequently in the Dark Tower we get a fantasy Western take off. On The Bard's Disturbed Dane, there are some surface similarities to be sure both Roland and Hamlet come from high social positions in vaguely medieval digs Hamlet is of course the prints whereas Roland is a gunslinger who speaks the high speech both have real power. In other words both men also have big time mommy issues in Hamburg. The king Hamlet's father has been assassinated by the king's brother who ascends to the throne the brother Claudius Mary's the old Queen Hamlet's mother's Gertrude and Hamlet not thrilled about life and The Dark Tower Rowland's mother is seduced by Martin the enchanter leaving his father a cuckold side note. What is it about stories about masculinity and cuckolding anyway is in both these stories. The protagonist has to deal with the shame and rage of having a mother who gets dick daily nightly and ever. So rightly from Evil dudes birth. Evil do to are not their dads the similarities between these two stories run deeper. However, then familial drama both are fundamentally stories about Duty responsibility and morality Clause Hamlet is tasked by the ghost of his father to seek revenge. It's a bloody task which holds massive repercussions and Hamlet struggles mightily to commit to the job for the better part of the play Roland wage and makes for an interesting foil to Hamlet. He is very much the opposite character where Hamlet is a neurotic bisexual mess Roland sticks to his quest with a constancy. So strong weren't then it means choosing Duty over more a lovely over morality repeatedly were Hamlet thinks and overthinks his sworn Duty Roland knows only Instinct sacrificing men women and children alike to his unending Quest. What's interesting is that both characters are a meditation on the same themes both are haunted by the violence. They must enact to complete their Duty wage. With more than the loss of a simpler life a simpler time. There's something rotten in Denmark and the world has moved on whereas Hamlet psychological anguish plays out in his own emotional Whiplash and Mania off Roland's pain takes on the distinctly Western flavor of an unnameable numbness in anhui Hamlet lashes out in words mocking those around him Roland turns his pain in worth hating himself for the choices. He knows he must make to seek The Dark Tower both struggle with the same internal conflict, please God don't make me do this the tech. Both stories comes from knowing that pain is on the horizon that things will shortly get completely out of hand and that Duty will require Bloodshed from the innocent and the guilty of like the haunting aspect of both stories. Is that way the reader or the audience member have to decide for ourselves how much a moral action is acceptable when trying to right a wrong is Hamlet a hero despite all the wrong that he does is wrong. And a hero despite the lives he has tossed aside in his quest. There is no clean answer and that is what makes a compelling story about Duty time 25 seconds my guy off. Yeah, man. I must have rushed through that then that's fine. I think you killed it. I think that was absolutely wonderful. I think I like the part that says it's long as there's something rotten in Denmark in the world has moved on whereas they both more the loss of a simpler life that relates exactly and directly to what I'm going to talk about. No way dude. I didn't even read yours. That's amazing. Yeah. We are on the same wavelength. I cannot no idea how method to send but I have to say it off. Would you I tell you what, I finished 25 seconds early. Can I donate 25 seconds to you? Oh my god. Thank you so much. Yeah, I'm here for you. So let me just add that had that dog. A timer. All right. I thought that was one of my favorites you've ever done. I really like a good old-fashioned. So here we are Shakespeare again. It sounded like something you could have said more slowly in front of like a high school class it really yeah. That's that's that High School level these two stories have the same troops or whatever iPhone writing it. I hope you had fun listening to it. I'm excited to hear about some poetry page. Are you ready? I'm ready. All right 321 go this entire ship was inspired by a poem called childbirth rulings to The Dark Tower came and 1855 piece by Robert Browning published in the collection men and women, which did not sell well but man do English professors love to talk about it now, not much remains of the poem in our plot, but the themes remain especially the modern world is changing and there's ennui about it. And that kind of stuff. There is a person named Roland a young man dead. Searching for a Dark Tower in a Strange Land with an overall weirdness that King expatiate on the title of this poem is itself taken from King Lear. We just talked about Hamlet. There's also a lot of King Louie in here one man in King Lear is trying to convince now that he's insane. So he begins spewing nonsense including childe Roland to The Dark Tower came. In fact, a lot of the school's dorm stuff in this poem is taken from Lear to to continue the threat of linear re literary lineage. It goes Shakespeare and then this and then TS eliot's the Wasteland which I would contend is maybe the most influential in the lineage and the thought of using a wasteland to pick out anxieties in daily life is is huge and all of English literature. The poem is less about the journey to the Obelisk and more about the changing mental states of the hero. He's paranoid. He's cloudy. It's reminiscent of the horror Trope resetting fogs. The minds of the inhabitants heavy things lurk in the dark and the child which is just it just a word that means young man. Who's not yet knighted thinks of his family. He's sad, he's depressed a man who has represented The Dark Tower series wage Walter Odem here tells the protagonist about where the Dark Tower is, but Roland thinks that he's a liar when the hero arrives The Dark Tower the ghosts of all who have tried before him or they're punishing him and he's fearful but he pushes on and then the poem abruptly ends and we don't see what the tower shows him. And the Deep subtext of the piece Roland calls out to be heroes of the past Shakespeare in the medieval poets and tells them the does not connect with new writers. He does not connect with the new cities. He's the old school version. I was born in the wrong generation would watch his Landscapes change and reflects that the landscape of his life is also changing from the SparkNotes. It is the sense of meaninglessness to dominate Palm. The whole thing is in iambic pentameter, which I'm no expert on reading the rhyme scheme in vocabulary are intentionally archaic like Tennyson. The idea was to evoke a medieval life and where you'd normally think fairytale but instead now, you're thinking gross Ness. Oh goodness in that way. The story is much like Shrek. Here's an example in the docks harsh Choice worth leaves. It's hard to say this language Choice also leads to a situation where the main character of the poem who is intentionally flat since his mission is worthless, and he knows wage. It's showing us his emotions through a veil of non. Rhyme. Oh God, this poem needs two or three more evil themes but this poem is piggy son another poem on 11th century French epic poem called the song of Roland which is literally the beginning of French literature and it's about the wars of Charlemagne. I'll get to it a different day here is the opening lines of this poem performed for you by me so that you can get a little piece of it. The full thing is on poetry spoken, or on YouTube. It's really really an amazing reading off. My first thought was he lied in every word that or a cripple with malicious. I asked ants to watch the working of his lie on mine and mouth scarce able to afford suppression of the Glee that's pursed and scored its Edge and one more victim gained thereby. Hey, I'm going to do something cool. Yeah, you had pretty much thirty seconds left after I had donated twenty five seconds. So you you were headed ma'am. You had that 4 minutes break down reality. I had no idea there was such a rich history just to the idea of Roland and The Dark Tower I'd heard of none of these things. I thought sent you a unlabeled YouTube link earlier buried in a long message about other things. And if you go find that you'll find a reading that will knock your socks off. I have to put some socks off into that soon. I really I really appreciated the literary lineage thing that stuff always kind of blows my mind when you talk about like like it's easy to say, okay, this is based on that which is based on another thing yada yada yada and it feels like trivia but like actually think about the fact that this book written at the turn of the Dead. 21st century Could not have existed. If not for an eleventh-century epic poem. That is the beginnings of language as we know. It's that is obscene. The just the sense of scale on that is is unspeakable and kind of troubling and off. You know, how we talk about the Bible all the time. Yeah. There's more space between the 11th century and this Bible that we are drawing connections to then between the 11th century and now I think about scales. I think that in case I blow Stevens mine and we can't get any of the project. I want to take it over to which one do I shoot our adaptation section. Thank you for that. I've calmed down and I'm more than a centered. I've unscrambled my brain. Let's talk about the Dark Tower adaptation. Have you seen it? No, I haven't seen in a while and I see this movie running time out of my life to watch a movie that everyone hates it took me like two weeks to watch it. I had to watch like ten minutes today. So we're time has come we have to talk about it. God Bowie to my own. I'm off and get out of here. It's the last remaining fantasy series that does not have a solid adaptation under its belt. No one wants to give it the treatment that it deserves. If you did Game of Thrones to it, it would change absolutely work a film was produced in 2017 that was universally reviled. If you liked it, you're wrong tell us about why you know, like I know that sounds mocking I I guarantee you as someone who watches weird and bad Media Pretty constantly. Like I just want to know why you liked it. I want to know why too and it's not because the performance is suck your Selma and Matthew McConaughey both kill it. The writer nikollaj our cell did not read them. And if he did he did it like on a plane and didn't care. He tried to compress all eight books into one movie while making the movie a prequel and setting half of it in Manhattan. Like that sends it to my brain. I wish she said that this was the worst idea that's ever been head. There's very little in common between a movie in the series and what there is isn't well handled JJ Abrams originally had a much different Vision, but it was scrapped. So Ron Howard and Universal Pictures took over and it was scrapped which led to Sony at ourselves Vision, which did some recasting the thing leaks with nonsense King references as if it were like the New Jersey sanitary. We just got instead of the major adaptation of one of the most beloved underground fantasy series ever. Critics panned it's so hard. I think the Rotten Tomatoes score was under zero for a while. Amazon was going to reuse the actors for a TV series. That was like supposed to be high-quality. Just take the actors that were already kind of knew the role and just make something that's actually good but interestingly for reasons that people who are not me no, it was scrapped. I would like to tell you Steven the three things that Stephen King wants changed when you're done again. Okay. So these are of his magnum opus massive Epic Fantasy series that whereas compressed into one movie and half set in Manhattan for some reason wage the three things that he thinks need to change. Yes one. Roland needs to wear a hat. Which I agree if you read this entire book and you in your costuming department doesn't get Pat out of it. You need to fire your Cosmic person. So happy Manhattan, and he was like got the Hat wrong can't not acceptable. I mean have you ever heard of a cowboy in a desert Wasteland without a hat out of hat? I mean, honestly look silly how many projects does address I'll be going to throw his entire heart and soul into that. Don't deserve it. You know your worth Idris Alba God pick something good. You were in The Wire now, let's see it like the second thing is he wants it to have an R rating. I mean, yeah valid he wants to sex he wants to violence. I mean God Not to get dark with it, but grow and kills like three to five children in this first prequel book. Like I don't understand how you can portray the amount of grief and loss and pain with that if you're like, yeah, but what it was PG-13 though, they killed off one child and all of the Breaking Bad series and it's one of the most devastating moments in all of television and Cinema combined and they couldn't have one dead kid in this movie off. The third thing. The third thing is he wants to lobstrosities to make an appearance knobs. I'm so not excited for the lobstrosities dude. I've seen some things about lobstrosities online some did a check data jump bullshit that I cannot abide by I will be amazed if we need to the lobster asti's and I'm like, no, you know what this makes sense in context. This is I'm going to bring you I'm going to bring you a lobstrosity but it's just a really good lobster roll that I make please do got that sounds good, right? About now I am just so happy that you didn't make me watch this movie. Do you want to go to recommend screenings? I would like to get to recommended readings. My recommended reading for this one is a pallet cleanser. Sometimes I'll offer you like just go read this to clear your break before we go to the rest of these. Right right. Do you ever read Despereaux the Tales of Despereaux as a kid? I loved those books a little Master with the sword. Hell, yeah. Yeah, isn't it great says it's low has written another book called The Miraculous Journey of Edward Tulane Edward Tulane is a porcelain bunny rabbit. That's that's I got more has yes, and he has a hat just like Roland's. That's how it's connected. Stephen King's like 10 out of 10 and had a hat which they had made it rated R. But you know, there is a long journey towards the Dark Tower that that also seems like maybe it would have been the relevant information to pull out at the top off but it supposedly we have redeemed Edward Tulane isn't that cute is very cute. I do actually appreciate that Hey. Listen, this is a hard hard book to recommend for because like I said, if you if you're not reading along with us, it is very difficult to convey the exact strange combination of influences that lead to the tone of this book may not just the tone like the universe of this book is very very idiosyncratic and strange in that like at the saloon in this fantasy book They're Playing Hey Jude on The Honky Tonk piano. And like it's just put out there as the thing that happens. Are you trying to tell me you didn't pick one for today Steven know I'm working my way towards another idiosyncratic fantasy Universe The Wolf Among Us. So The Wolf Among Us is a urban fantasy game. It is a gross. It was created by the people that did The Walking Dead series really really good you play as the detective of like the faith ghetto in New York City where all of the old world like fairytale Critters kind of immigrated you play as the big bad wolf and there's like noir-style bad stuff happening in town. It is one of my it is one of my favorite games. It is one of the weirdest universes and it will break my heart forever Thursday. Studio went out of business before they can make a second one. What is it called Wolf Among Us Wolf Among Us. Damn. I'm actually I'm like open and steamed. Yeah, I surprised unless president but it's like such a it's is very idiosyncratic fantasy universe that combines contemporary pop culture references with these very specific kind of older references in a way that manages to be coherent and interesting and that best. I got home. I cannot pull five more of those out my ass. So I do not know what I'm going to do with the rest of the Dark Tower. I actually have a bonus who I have another that you've reminded me of in this moment. I'm thinking what to me is content that I consume that is both Western and strangely contemporary and it we're going to get weird for a minute log. Is a Blog? Okay, I'm ready. There is a clothing brand called Stetson. Okay, I don't follow a lot of Brands. But if I imagine dragons, this is the Hat episode of Stephen Colbert Club is the head up so famous for their hats. I have several if I had Instagram, I would follow this clothing brand. I like the high quality clothes that they make they also have a Blog where they do live picture blogs, like collage Jewish blogs of modern people who have diverse Lifestyles and interesting stories to tell who of course are all wearing and need for whatever their project is two sets in clothes or whatever and it mixes like your modern kind of Instagram fame With A down-home Prairie Home Companion blog with a very very strongly Western Vibe, so I kind of recommend it. That's the weirdest plug I've ever heard. And also can we pitch Stetson first sponsorship? I will I will email them. What's the worst that could happen? You know, we should honestly what does both we're exclusively sets in clothes from now on and and that's it. That's how it goes. I I don't know if that's really going to work giri's. Do you want to take it too bad all the books? Sure do So this one's hard. This is where we talked about which book was better at the previous book. We read or this one month. So it's Dark Tower vs. Everything's eventual which is short story compilation that is dense. You make an interesting point here. I'd like you to say it out loud. Sure. The Dark Tower is such its own thing that it hardly matters are collections usually win because of variety points, right? Yeah month. And so I don't know if our collection deserves to win just because it gets nineteen chances to beat The Dark Tower. Can I make a controversial statement? Sure. I think a little sisters of Valeria is a better Dark Tower book than the Dark Tower. A lot of people agree and I think that it doesn't inferior. Like I feel like Stephen King is sketching out what the Dark Tower universe is in this book and because of that feels so much like a prequel and remember that time wine time line wise he had most of the Dark Tower under his belt when he went back for Elyria. Exactly. And the thing is that because of Stephen King's writing process. He unearths projects over time and The Dark Tower is a sprawling epic. So, of course, he's not going to have all the details. In fact, he just has the tone and the characters and some of the stuff. Whereas by the time you get two everything's eventual Little Sisters of alloria. You have a fleshed-out Roland you have someone that has like very consistent motivational beats, you know, what's the universe is all of that. So I I say everything's eventual wins because it's a better dog. PowerBook then the first Dark Tower book, I'll take it. Let's ring the bell. All right, you want to take it to our fun? Fact Corner couch, I believe it sure do. During the Stephen King adaptation the Stephen King Easter eggs are as thus you get the twins from The Shining they show her home. Sure. I'm just oh my head down for these. Yep. The Overlook Hotel shows up the family including the dog from Cujo shows up. The car. Christine is a pole is a toy and toward the end. There's a Rita Hayworth picture not to mention the Pennywise theme theme park that shows up as kind of a big part in this adaptation and the portal that Jake's told to remember as his way back is titled and passworded 1408. You know, this is I just have to say it's my like least favorite kind of fan service where it's like we can list off a bunch of Stephen King things, but we don't give a flying my spark how they work in the universe or whether it matters. It's just like let's all celebrate the fact that these books exist. Please give me money for this bad adaptation. I did not I hate brainless fanservice. Yep. It's not the whole situation is not ideal. Yeah agreed wage. So Rumor Mill time. Yes, real-time remote sign there may or may not be more Dark Tower material coming from probably will be probably won't be he has said he'll never end the series and that really there's only nine hundred pages of Dark Tower overall. Yep. Is Dark Tower than there is of it, right? And and so he says there's not there's going to be more because he needs something to wrap up for the compilation novel that it should be he wants took a bunch of rewrites and it's like be a compilation novel with an ending. The rewrites will include a lot of stuff such as fixing the plot holes and writing himself out of the universe. Thank God he says and I quote there are too many King analogs here and man. Have we been talking about man? What yo they same age Grant you wisdom and they are right. It's only took him seventy-two years to come to the realization. Yeah, so I'm kind of excited for that. I'm hoping to see that we're going to have to do the Dark Tower rewrite as a episode because it's very very different. It was a whole Wikipedia page of just differences between the two books cannot bought it for now. 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Episode 50 - Everything's Eventual Part 2

The Stephen King Boo! Club

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Episode 50 - Everything's Eventual Part 2

"Content morning violence against humans and Animals Gore torture abuse and mild sexual situations. The hard days are coming. It's the Stephen King Boo. Club. Fifty. Good the damn. South us. Where we're GONNA go with the Beatles one reference I think every section, we should bring up a Beatles album. I'm Steven, Inter Sano. And Dime Phoenix Crockett and this week we are reading all of the non dark tower related stories in everything eventual published in two thousand and two accepting fourteen eight with stories in the previous decade Phoenix. Let's take into full darkness structure. That was our most clunky opening ever and relieving it here. It's what it deserves. This is a fucking grab bag of an episode that we've got for y'all it's a grab bag of a collection. It's a bunch of stories from other collections and he was like y'all can read this for a while why work on some other shit this is the Beatles one album. Yeah I don't know what you're talking about but I trust you like all good fine to good some excellent but a lot a lot of like. Just okays in there there's a few and your birds can sing in this bad boy. How are we going to go with the Beatles one reference? Every section we should bring up. Beatles album. I came prepared I don't know to tell you So specifically, we have seven stores we'll be talking about this is going to be in the death room Lt's theory of pets, the road virus heads North lunch at Gotham cafe that feeling you can only say what it is in French riding the bullet and Lucky quarter. So we have three more stories to discuss after this week fourteen no eight we'll get its own dang episode next week for our bonus, and after that will be moving towards the dark tower with little sisters of Luria and the picture everything's eventual. Oh It's episode fifty hold on. It's covered in the mid show, but we're really excited that you guys have been with us for fifty episodes obviously technically with our besides it's more like ninety episodes. But who's counting WHO's counting? This is our fiftieth cycle of providing you guys content and we're super excited about it. We're going to have a really really good October south. Yeah. We'll get more details out to y'all about our Halloween spook tack your week. Wink wink sin. But first, let's take it to in the death room. A New York Times reporter named Fletcher is captured by goons from South American dictatorship or on site his sister a nun was killed by the same insurgents who later went to power and so he's doing an expose on them. He's taken to a room that is infamous for torture and death. He escapes the death room by faking a seizure and stealing a gun which he uses to kill three of his captors in May. He runs up the stairs to fight off whoever else guarding the place years. Later, he is spotted casually buying some cigarettes at a New York City newsstand. The story blows. Yeah. The stories a week one to start out with. There's really it's the dud of the whole group yeah. Maybe my least favorite story in the collection he also prefaces the story and he prefaces with an explanation which like the biggest no. No. In all of writing I don't mind it I. Think when you when you get to the stature of King, we can kind of excuse some of those master Batori instincts not to to review e with it but also like none of the characters were believable or real on the ending didn't make sense and it wasn't even like the Kafka thing of like. This was a Kafka esque story and I don't. Think it is. It's an action piece like this is about a man who has like wrongfully imprisoned. Okay. We're on the right track and he is strung up in a kind of dictatorship bureaucracy. Yes. Good. There's mysterious torture device that does like a spooky thing to you. All right. We're on the right track and he uses it to escape his captors in shoot everyone on the way out. That ain't. Kafka. Best Michael Bay I think what he meant was that it had a self-centered and strong inexplicable male protagonist that doesn't have much of a personality. But that works for Kafka because the rest of the story is so fleshed out the protagonist becomes its own background character yeah. Yeah. It's just fine I. Don't know this will make a good dollar maybe I think who make a good like if you want to fight choreography definitely I man I'll I'll do fight choreography with you. Let's fight. Welcome. Welcome to the Stephen King fight. Club. I, love the English translations of what the South American people were saying and how bad their dialogue was Oh my God. They were just cookie cutter stereotypes and Stephen King tries to get around it by like pointing out that they're cookie cutter stereotypes but he didn't earn it. You can't be like man this character is cliche. Am I right guys WANNA a Hispanic Character Colza white character Gringo it better be authentic. Yeah. Pack up and go home otherwise hey, let's move on to a story that was much more intriguing. Yeah. Stephen I WANNA hold your hand all the way the L. Lt's theory of pets. Not. Maybe my favorite callback, you've ever done on the program continue. An unnamed narrator recounts a series of stories that a coworker monologues at him. The story start out as domestic end mundane, but get more interesting as time goes on. This Co worker called Lt has marital trouble which is exacerbated by issues revolving pets his wife got him dog and he and his wife a catch though both animals prefer the person who purchased them rather than gift recipient. Lt and his wife can can Utah Argue and he fear rises his assurance that his wife would want and could care for a cat was a prime example of arrogance a trait which maybe destroying his marriage eventually, his wife leaves him dog in tow but she never makes it to her mother's house. The dog is found axed to death and his wife is presumed to killed by a serial killer but there is no evidence as of yet. I gotTa say, Stephen I really don't care for the story that goes and. It was a serial killer I've had yeah. I mean I've I've wasted like hundreds of pages of novel on stories that ends with and the big twist is a serial killer or whatever, and that happens in Stephen King, over time. But I will say what this story does do really well, and I think that the thing we were really interested by is the kind of relationship drama. So this starts out as like this really kind of like, where am am I right story but by the end, this dude is crying about the fact that he lost his his wife, his life partner who he didn't always get along with that. He just wants to believe that she might still be alive out there somewhere and so I think it's that like increasing. Amount of depth over the course of the story that made me appreciate this one. Yeah. Having the CHATTY CO worker trope turn into. A, horror story is just authentic of enough and just unique enough that it was an enjoyable read from the first to the last word. Even if I didn't like the twist I, do think that the reason we both liked this story is that we both listen to a lot of mountain goats. And really any marital strife is gonNA check a few boxes for us. I think the reason that I didn't liked it was a serial killer as opposed to just murder or like a car crash, which is a cop-out was that by the time two, thousand two had rolled around being killed by an axe murderer was less likely than being killed by a coyote like It was it was so rare. It wasn't like when you're writing in the eighties and you've really might be killed by a serial killer. You. Know we really need to start reintroducing as back into the wild. It's time we get the populations backup. And coyotes we are the Stephen King Coyote Preservation Boo club coyotes also the other thing though is like. This story for me. Worked because it was a like a Meta Meta story. So it does that thing that a lot of short stories do where it's a story about a story, but it's also a story about a story about a story tower. And I think it takes a legitimately crafty writer, pull that off and he does it doesn't feel stilted so that to me is its own achievement totally Meta squared would you like to take it to the road virus heads north? Horror novelist Richard Kennel is driving home from Boston to dairy main when he stops at a yard sale and picks up a painting of grotesque man with sharp teeth. Such pieces and it's excited by the tragic background of the artist who burned his other paintings before committing suicide. He stops along the way to chat with an audit of hits and show her the picture. He is disturbed to find the key details of the painting have changed. He discards the changing painting at a highway rest area. But when he arrives home, he finds that the painting is hung above his fireplace and did now depicts gory murder, the woman who sold him the. Painting he hears a news story about the murder. He then realized the painting is showing him images of the murderer getting closer and closer to his house. He tries and fails to burn it in the fireplace and then passes out the shower has visions of his horrific day. When he wakes up, he sees that the painting now shows a bloody passenger seat foreshadowing his feet. So I. Know that we've been rushing through these. Believe you me This is one that I'll be talking about in detail needful team. So we're GONNA slowdown in coast for a bit on this one. Good because I've got a lot to say about that APP -tations Hell Yeah do you WanNa take us there? Yeah, absolutely. So this is a little miniature which one do I shoot here I'll play that sound effect really sped up. We're in cute. So the dollar baby of this one by Dave Brock is one of the better dollar babies out there and it was nominated for like the Student Film Oscar essentially. There's also a nightmares and dreamscapes episode on TNT also this whatever and it's also good. So the first one. Takes it in a direction of like straight up let's just display the content with like good camera work in like using the fire as A. Release Central. In that kind of thing, a very one to one kind of adaptation. The nightmares and dreamscapes did a little bit of a different thing where it gave the lead character like depth and made him a very anxious man in general made him very wary which added to the whole thing and it starred Tom Beringer you don't know who that is unless you've seen platoon. And he's also starred in the Hatfield mccoys drama, which is like one of my favorites. The GODDAMN Dork knowing who Tom Beringer is right I. I like being a human IMDB. That is all secondary to Glenn Chadbourne graphic novel. which rules this story is begging to be graphic novel. That makes sense it's about a painting. It really translates better when there's no like. Die Out, and there's not like a lot of dialogue lot like descriptions of the drive home in the moonlight. It's a pretty straightforward story and telling in that medium especially with such an amazing artist Glenn. Chadbourne is a really fun. Well, especially because comics can actually be really good at portraying the passage of time and dynamic ways, and this story is all about running out of time. Definitely I hadn't thought I'd never thought of that about that particular. Benefit of the graphic novel. So I'm impressed. while thank you my friend Hey, did he occur to you that this is just a mash up of rose matter in the dark hundred percent it's absolutely rose matter fan. It's just those things they discouraged them together. Of Dunno for me like. I appreciated this story more on an intellectual level than I did actually reading it. You know what I mean. This felt like more of a sketch than it did a full story to me. I think a lot of them feel like that because they were written rate in his worst time. Like that. Nineteen ninety nine. Post crash trying to get back into things. It feels like a practice piece. The adaptations do not. So clearly when someone spends a lot of time fleshing out the extra little parts, it can become a whole. That is greater than that. Some of those parts you Yeah. That makes total sense to me. I do also have to point out. This is our like eighth or ninth Stephen King Analog character. Number. Ten It took. It took me when I saw that in the script to be like, I, gotTa make sure he's right. 'cause we. GotTa. Be Accurate because it's an it's like the third from dairy because you've got. The dude from it and you've got. Dark half takes place partly or that Castle Rondo you know you're you're definitely right also there is I think a backup bones guy. Yeah yet listen all I'm saying is like you'd think that in this universe, people would be like man like all of these popular horror writers are great and they all have drinking problems in her from Maine what they put in the water up there. They all have curly dark hair and are five ten and wear Blue Shamburg sh shirts and Also a Stephen King himself in universe and living in Derry. Do. You think that's awkward for Stephen King In. Universe to like see himself running around all the time and being like your me but weird your me but anxious your me. But you thought a clown want they cut him off in traffic and he's like bitch created. Yeah I don't know. How much can you use the same? Character and have that character view. That's question because obviously it's still working. The thing is you can have a of analogues of yourself. If you're a bio mythography writer and if all of your writing is very clearly stories from your life like beep stuff right that you're that you fictionalized but his isn't unfor-, which is unfortunate because that would be awesome. Yeah, that's all there is a about that would just got up to officially number Tan ring the bell we got him. I would like to take it to one of the stronger pieces not only in this half in the entire collection lunch at Gotham cafe I would love that. Stephen Davis finds a note from his wife stating that she is leaving him. He is totally bewildered and falls into a deep depression. He sets up a meeting for his lawyer, Diane's lawyer and Diane at the Gotham Cafe but his lawyer canceled due to a family emergency. When he arrives at the cafe, he encounters a maitre d' speaking psychotically. Diane. Still won't tell him why she's leaving him and the conversation devolves quickly into squabble. The maitre d' suddenly shrieks and attacks Diane's lawyer with a knife killing him. When Stephen Fence him off with an umbrella, he added inexplicably purchased earlier in the day despite sunny weather. An epic fight ensues and Steven and Diana escape. She refuses to acknowledge that he just saved her life and through her Shaq returns to accusations and bitterness including a slew betryal and false stories of affairs meant to enrage Stephen. He slapped her and she leaves for Good Stephen is left to watch guide be loaded into the ambulance and he thinks about the nature of sanity and whether or not he values it. Joe This. This one had a depth to it. That just blows everything out we could talk about like relationship stuff in this story for an entire episode. Yes? Yeah. Because there's a lot up to debate, there's a lot of questionable you know is this reliable narrator for me? The story had also really cinematic quality to it. I don't know if it's been done as an adaptation yet, but a lot of it is again that actiony like he put the knife here and I thought him off with that and he stabbed the chef. So we had to run to the back of the room like really snappy action writing. Also I did imagine the Maitre d' B J Novak the Guy Who Played Ryan in the office I P J Novak would be thrilled that you just thought of him in that way for no reason. He. I think that he could pull off the unhinged like hair flying everywhere talking in a weird non French accent I think he could do it I think he's got the range. What's crazy is that? There isn't adaptation and not a small one. Really of a big adaptation and I didn't write down who plays the maitre day if you'll allow me. Real quick take your time is hey kick your feet up. The maitre d' is played by Cullen Douglas most known. As a Louis, Keating on. CBS. is pure genius and the Birdman on Grey's anatomy. How Weird? Yeah. So Almost every character in this movie is played by cast members of shield and agents of shield. So I'm assuming that the director was somehow related. To this movie, this film is Wacky tacky recent is it very recent and it's it's fourteen minutes. It's a short film but get this. Mick Garris plays the lawyer come on. Stephen King plays an annoyed patron. How am I not heard of this right? It was it was produced by the director whose name is Jack Sawyer. Does that ring a bell? and Co produced by Steve Wozniak what Apple co-founder and Seventh. RICHEST PERSON IN THE WORLD Steve Wozniak Co produced because he thought the story was that good. I mean I agree Steve Wozniak. Let's. Let's get some Steve's on the program. Hey Steve Wozniak. If you're listening to this, we hear the Stephen. Boo. Club have just We've just passed our fiftieth episode and we are looking for sponsors if you'd like to be involved with more Stephen King related. Steve Wozniak I will fly to where you are and buy you a beer and talk about this Stephen King story with you. Any Single Day of any single. I mean you're paying for the flight but like. So anyways it the short films are really good job of showing the thing that you and I are most interested in his story which is. Is our protagonist on abusive husband or is his wife insane gas lighting, right? Yeah. It's a really hard call or is he gas lighting his wife or his wife gas lighting him. And it can't be both ways it really is set up to in this story and in the films that it has to be one way or the other is his wife trying to convince him that he is controlling emotionally abusive when he's not or is he does he lack any kind of insight. Yeah slap really gets like that tension just right in. Its own and Stephen King rates in the his notes on this story that there are two monsters in the story. One is the maitre d' in one is the spooky relationship between these two and I was like you're right You're right this relationship spooky. So it makes no sense because I don't know if I mentioned this at no point does the wife ever capitulate her name's Diane does she ever capitulate? And tell him why she's divorcing him. It's so good on just my stomach like nodding just thinking that if I have to pick an interpretation. The one I'm going to pick is that diane is gas lighting him. Shines the definitely unhinged like she's definitely not. Handling this. Well you could almost say that guy is like a representation of their shimmering enigmatic non love ooh. Man We're not going to get that. Let's move on to. That feeling you can only say what it is in French. Before we actually do the reading. Point the Web Web I. We have to talk about the name I because. Fuck this name. Shit. I hate this name. I like clunky names in are richer. I liked when things are called like whole sentences, God. I liked ban I had so much when band's name their songs as really long complicated names but this one at least put a comma. It's all one Jeff Ling. You can only say what it is in French not APP. You can only say what it is in French Oh this oh title makes me that feeling I can only describe as very angry just call it D- shoe just call the story. Jabu it's about deja-vu like Anyway this is that feeling you can only say what it is in French. All. The marriage couple on a second honeymoon or driving on a curvy road when they get into a horrible accident and the grew killed. The bride experiences the same car ride over and over with a stronger feeling of deja Vu each time the different death each time. It is implied that the plane to their destination crashed and the bride is in hell or purgatory damned to relive the crash that may or may not have actually occurred in reality over and over again. This one I think might be my scariest in the collection. Yeah it's. Everything I have to say about this I'm GONNA say my needful themes. So move forward with what you're. Yeah I mean. It's just this to me is the most existential terrifying idea that you're kind of in this haze of thought west fear forever and ever, and also there's a healthy dose of Catholic Gill which like Ooh hit me where I live. I got a quote for you. He Goes Spooky little nightmare tidbit. What what? Then, a total change in his voice and that frightened more than the way the car swerved Christ holding what's in your hair? The face appeared to be Mother Teresa's or was that just because she'd been thinking about our lady of angels. Carol plucked it from her dress meaning to show it to bill and it crumbled between her fingers before she could she turned to him and saw that his glasses were melted his cheeks. One of his eyes had popped from it's socket and then split like a grape pumped full of blood. And I knew it. She thought even before I turned. I. Knew it because I i. had that feeling. A bird was crying in the trees on the billboard Mary held out her hands Carol tried to scream. Tried to scream. Come on how he do that. Stream tried to scream rare you I think that repetition works. But yes, right there did that is amazing repetition. Amazing. Use of fragmented sentences I mean this is just a master class in psychedelic horror writing like a grape pumped full of blood. You're not gonNA find that anywhere else no. Now at this storage is just God Damn Banger. This is the I. Think the Stephen King Writing that reminds me most of like Silent Hill Style Lake. Way Into Surreal we've talked about Silent Hill so much on this show, a touchstone, an I think the reason is that it's just so close in style. For a reason because shortly Stephen King is not influenced by Silent Hill. No, it's much. Actually it's very much the other way round. It's that silent hill a lot of their influences are actually from Merican horror. There that's why well I won't get into it. We we. We've done recommended on. In our past stuff we we yeah, I've Ravi Zoo. It's in there. Do we have anything else. No have three more stories. We've got him. Yeah. Like two two more stories. Oh, Jesus in both of them I, have interesting things to say but I promise great take us to riding the bullet. Ellen Parker is a disillusioned humane student who decides to Hitchhike one hundred and twenty miles from Orono to Lewiston Maine to visit his mother who was ill after having a stroke. His first ride is with an older man who touch his crotch constantly and who may be incontinent judging by the smell of the car. Allen Disembark improves the cemetery where he sees a gravestone of one George Stop He thumbs another ride in his picked up by stop himself who has stitches around his neck and smells like the obvious corpse that he is. Stop whereas a button that says I rode the bullet at Thrill Village Luconia. Goes on to explain that he was killed on this amusement park ride always scared him as a kid that before the ride is over, Allen must choose to die on that same roller coaster in some kind of promised magic alternate reality held for sent his mother to the same fate he chooses for her to die in his stead before anything happens George shoves him out of the car and he reappears in the graveyard with Georgia's button on his shirt. He makes it to the hospital and finds that his mother is not dying but thriving successful medical intervention. He takes care of her for several years graduating in lending a good job in the meantime. One day, he loses the button at stop gave him, and then learns of his mother's death in a telephone call. He finds the button under her bed. So y'all can't hear this because of Stevens good editing but I also watched this movie which made me say some of the plot points wrong because I forgot if they were the movie or the book pamphlets. Yeah, let's talk about the story first. Then we'll talk about the adaptation I. Kinda like this story. This story had like a fun Halloween vibe to me in that like it was playing with some really familiar tropes, but it kept being just different enough for it to be surprising like I thought like all right. Here we go and he's going to get out and he's going to go to the MOM's room in the mom's going to be dead and he gets the MOM's room and mom's fine. Kaelin moms like, Hey, hey, sean, what's up doing? Great. And they have like a bunch of wonderful years together for the rest of her remaining life. And that is kind of worse that he like sentenced his mom to death and then has to live with it. You know like that's the horror of this piece for me, which makes the adaptation. Interesting Shitty is what you mean before we get into. This book wasn't culturally important to me, but it sure was important to the culture of the world because it affected a huge part of technology development like in the entire world. Here's how. It was the first largely available e book and was really hyped newspapers the. Today show good, morning America every. Journalistic outlet in the world was talking about how there's going to be an e book on computers, and these are thousands dial up computers. So we're talking sixteen hour download you know what I mean. Yeah. A sixteen hundred word story. Yeah it costs two dollars and fifty cents and it was gonna be like this is going to change books. This is going to change education some people who is GONNA be bad people say it was going to be good. All of them were right because e books would immediately take off after the Zeitgeist surrounding this story. It was on a server called soft lock and a website that was called soft. Lock. In the first twenty four hours obviously people jammed the servers because they didn't know how to handle servers at the time. Yeah. Half a million people downloaded it and pay the two dollars and fifty cents feet, which is crazy. This is the first twenty four hours. Half million people even having computers blows my mind. Yeah. That's access now right like right if you build and then when the soft servers all jammed up. Ten Times that many people downloaded the content illegally huff. Pave the way for how I read a lot of e books and all it paved the way for Barnes and noble and Amazon. Young. Companies at the time saying hey. We're going to have to be able to provide these. In a way that is not a computer, we're GONNA make the e book like the e book reader and the kindle and the nook shortly after began their development fascinating, even the news story raised the stock prices of soft, lock adobe HTML Amazon and Barnes, and noble so much that people got rich after guessing what would happen to riding the bullet. That's wild. Yeah. I mean that's like more interested in the story itself. Country Mile Yeah. I. Mean Riding. The bullet is going to be in history books, right? Hand what Yeah Damn? It's it's super. Super Crazy. Would you like me talk briefly about the movie? Yeah. How was it? Core the only thing notable about it is that apparently they change it so that he is like you can live your mother can live and the dude is like I'll die thereby negating the entire point of the story. What's more noticeable about this movie than that is that it's a WHO's who of Stephen King. Film Casting. Like they're in a Stephen King movie before they're in this one too. and the movie bombs. So quickly after a limited, the actual release a when it went straight to video some of the actors that were in it like. Their careers couldn't get any farther like John Jackson from Jonathan Jackson from General Hospital David Arquette who is in scream and buffy was married to Courtney Cox Ride the Bullet Giveth ride the bullet taketh. Away. You know how I talk about what movies were also available in the theater to see if you're GonNa go see this movie. Yeah. All of them sucked. So the fact that this movie Bob. Against Aw to the Legend of Zorro end the Weatherman with Nick Cage is how pretty impressive wow people like wind up with the doors are like you know I think I'd Rather See the Legend of Zorro with I. think that was the Antonio Banderas one in. Let me tell you. Not Great Food. I liked the Tonio Bandera but sex appeal only let's move onto the lucky quarter. Darlene Poland is an unhappy hotel maid she has two children a boy with medical issues and a daughter in a rebel phase and she has trouble affording them. She is left a tip of a single quarter after cleaning a room with a note explaining that the quarter is lucky. She uses it at a slot machine wins then takes the quarter to other gambling games and eventually wins thousands of dollars. Suddenly she's back in the hotel room having daydream the entire event. She gives her son the quarter, and as it turns out, the quarter is lucky after all. Cute. Yeah, that's it. Just fine. Take it to the midshow. please. So this is. Episode. Fuckin- mcvay frigging episode fifty at. Good the damn. What happened can you believe it? We had lives that weren't this podcast, and then we did fifty these fuckers fifty main episodes of this show. Steven. Crazy, all of the almost thirty thousand downloads on Lipson. God we're blessed hey, we wanNA think are Patriot community for helping us get there Sam Astel. Italia S Dante. Bryant Burnett. Keaton pads. Brahma purewal. Rebecca Simmons. And James Tatum. That I snuck pomp and circumstance under the. I only know some of those names because I know these people personally so good listen man. Just, to take a moment and and celebrate because if you can't celebrate on fifty when Kanye what a trip What an amount of time we've spent reading Stephen King's book when we started this project. We were like, yeah. It should be like a fun project for a few years and then we were in the planning phase in Phoenix texts me and he's like, Hey, man If we do this even with the reduced book list were doing because the best sours it's going to be like four years. and. Neither one of us back down because that's the kind of friendship we have and Here we are. So here we are announcing the end of the Stephen. King Boo Club were really sorry stop making. but it's just not viable anymore. We're GONNA. 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Right, I think we should take it over to needful themes are literary analysis section. All right here's the title of my needful. Teams. Today, Steve. I have to do my title i. Truly dislike you for this decision. An explanation of King's comments about hell in that feeling, you can only say what it is in. French from everything's eventual short essay by Phoenix. Crockett. Read and recorded by Phoenix Crockett by Stephen Misano Asano of the Stephen, King Book Club. I hate you for that. That's so funny. Fuck you. You've got. Four minutes on the clock. Let on your ready Race Echo. There have been many versions of hell outlined in folklore and religion. The hell that we know of a post death realm where bad souls go to be tortured is pretty specific to Christianity and Islam. Other religions just think of hell as the underground world that all people go to after death like you know hades shoal and stuff while still others like Hindu think of a shitty inbetween world with soul waits for an available body to reincarnate into with some subjects believing that the Shittier, you are the further back you are in line. Because spirituality is so personal many people have super specific ideas of how often influenced by old defined comedy as the best example and knew everything from Spongebob Mitch Albom Media. For example, my pastor growing up was super specific that hell is a desert wasteland where you walked in your normal physical human body endlessly forever while your skin was on fire feeling the pain without ever numbing or succumbing. In kings that feeling you can only say what it is in French, he goes on a mini rant about how he personally views hell which is a realm in which a person is forced to relive something shitty. And over again for eternity. This is interesting because the idea more closely relates to immediate presentation of purgatory also called limbo. The movie groundhog's as an example of limbo isn well as examples in. Dime forgetting the name of the Leo DiCaprio movie. Inception. and. The show loss is an example of purgatory in Dante's purgatory. It can't be overstated how much dante unintentionally influenced modern spirituality when he was writing a monstrous but ultimately silly allegorical poem. Is a mountain with levels of spiritual growth. Only the Catholics today speak of purgatory in earnest Anne ways. King specifically calls outsider as being wrong about hell when he said that Hell is other people. Review jean-paul cider whose name is impossible to pronounce it any language? said. Hell. Is other people. Just, say it would a whole damn play about it and a play that really matters to some people. The play has called no exit, which is kind of a bad re translation of the Latin in camera, which means behind closed doors. In it three people who are vaguely aware of Bayer dead. It initially are led to a finely decorated room I faceless valet. They discover that this is hell that their time with each other. Sorry this is held their time with each other as health and they drive each other up the dam. Wall. In their realize day sucked they were shipped people in their real lives. Oh my God I just realized that this is what the good place with Kristen Bell is based off anyways, and now they have to endure each other forever. Sartor isn't really making a point about hell in this play, he's making a point about technology a word which I cannot say with any inflection except sarcasm he's saying how people's views of themselves and therefore their entire being. Is. Largely constructed by other people's approximations of them and how reflections of negative behavior are often just that reflections i. If everyone in the room is an Asshole, your asshole that kind of thing. That is all to say, sometimes, king comes up with with couple liners are one liners that need a lot of literary explanation. In this case, he basically said one little thing where you have to be like. All right. So what is Hell? What is being? Who Was John Paul Starter? What was no exit? What did it mean is purgatory a thing Dante's involved. The End. Nice you had like two seconds left very good work bitching. Yeah I love this topic. Because I think that it like horror kind of literary theory. You can tell a lot about society and about a group of people by what they view as the worst thing to endure. Right. So I if the worst thing you can think of to endure is a physical pain like say being on fire forever wild thing to drop in the middle there by the way welcome that. Like, that says something very specific about how that group views existence right I believe that for like twenty years. So it's it really is a big part of people's lives to right. I mean it's the consequences. So yeah. I'm just fascinating topic I don't know enough about it to speak on it very much. I. Appreciate You doing so and also your fuck pronouncing Sata Salta us. Stop. Excellent. I'm ready to go whenever and I don't even need to say my title for his because it's not stupid and lying and obnoxious I three. To One. Stephen King and the instill image. Everything's eventual includes a short story, which for me clarified a less talked about Stephen King trope which occurs again and again in the S K Kannan the instill image by this I mean photos, paintings, sketches, and other visual media which should be static images, but for usually supernatural reasons are not The road virus heads North is a horror short story about a man whose curiosity compels them to purchase in unsettling painting of a bad looking dude on a motorcycle traveling the American highway. As it turns out that bad dude is all too real and his hunting down whoever comes to own his painting. Now, the idea of the changing picture is far from new. The changing picture is a Ho- a trope in horror and also fantasy, but that's not my specialty which has been around for a good long while debatably the picture of Dorian gray being a piece of fiction is its most iconic use in horror. And as I was thinking about it, I realized that King himself has played with this trope abundance in it. Penny wise makes his way through what should have been a static photo of old dairy in rose matter. An entire world is held within the confines with restore painting in the Sun dog a Polaroid Camera spits out pictures of a Hell Hound, coming closer and closer to the aperture until eventually breaks free into our world and in fourteen hundred eight, which we will be covering next week the hotel room paintings shift and changes the room distorts into madness. So this begs the question why What is it about this trip which makes it keep popping up and kings work what follows are some of my thoughts with all analysis this might ring true for you or it might not feel free to reach out with what you think. So I, the obvious our fear response is caused by facing something threatening and or unknown in all of these examples king is taking something normal and twisting it into something abnormal. This has the same effect is jump scares do in horror cinema when used sparingly, these tropes can create a sense of omnipresent danger. If after all something as usually neutral as a still image can change become a threat it begs the question what else might become a threat this. Is the same logic which makes the topiary animals in the shining scary or the truck in Uncle Otto's truck aside from the fear factor. However, there are additional thematic uses for the instill images in horror photography in particular is seen as an art form, which most proves an objective reality photographs then are scary in a particular way when they misbehave not only has the normal become abnormal but objective reality as we know, it may prove to be an illusion. All still images, paintings, photos pick your poison can also serve as portals to the past it in particular benefits from this kind of thematic resonance. When we see pennywise catering about in an old image of dairy, we understand that pennywise was there and the horrors of the past will shortly become horrors of the present. Images and media can also be portals which remains true in Stephen King in rose matter. A whole surreal world exists within a painting placing that book firmly into the fantasy genre, but also commenting on the escapist capabilities of art in the humanity. Some of these portals are not so benevolent in the Sun dog part of the horror of the ever approaching dog is it's mysterious origins the sun dog humming but from where. Keep an eye on things. Yeah. The UNFIL- image fun. Yeah Right. It's the kind of thing we're like I hadn't thought about it but just because we spend so much time reading Stephen King I was like I've seen this somewhere. Like a bunch. I can't think of any other examples except like Harry Potter you know Harry Potter yeah features it pretty prominently in does weird things with it. That's more in fantasy I I'm not really as up on my fantasy analysis, Dorian gray like the huge CODA fire, right? You know and and there it's about image versus reality in terms of image of a person versus reality of a person. The paintings at Disney when you go down the tower of terror that stretch out, that's about the world changing in impossible way I don't like object horror, but moving images is got to be the best. It's up there right like it's just it's a naturally spooky thing that happens. Do you remember there was a crappy moving images story in? In. Oh God, the midst is in the collection called in skeleton crew in skeleton grew. There's a story with like a like a haunted painting. I know that's a haunted mirror. Oh Fuck. That's when I did my due diligence for this one that yeah, that's you really looked it up. You really were there. I, went story by story baby. Yeah. You really did well anyways I think that after those lovely needful team, which by the way I have been getting better in the past on we're flexible. We've been working hard. We should take it. We should take it over two recommended readings. My I recommend reading is a plug for friends. We're going to talk about short horror compilations. season two of old gods of Appalachia, is out now. If you missed our interview with them, check it out. It's really fun. Yeah. They're lovely people and like you don't know about all gods they're kind of on top of the game right now they are the I mean really just one of the best audio dramas audio fiction I. don't even know how exactly slot in but storytelling horror things now, the only people doing that I've ever heard. Yeah. So took him out and they're also friends of ours and if you've waited until now, now's the time with the release of season two. Yes. They really need our help to. They don't need our help. Fun I also WANNA point out. There's a bunch of. Adaptations of no exit that you should go check him nineteen forty-six BBC TV broadcast is fine the nineteen sixty eight k demon records double-sided LP is a very talka-. Very good audio drama that I happen to own long before we ever did this podcast how How is that possible while I inherited about fifteen hundred records and I just looked at the list in the excel sheet I was given and it's is there. So I'M GONNA, take it out to give it a listen. That's I mean Honda does how you gotTA. Let me know when you start seeing ghosts and stuff because that is. Listen the new go flap to fight the ghosts. I'm just saying like as a trope. Oh, I found this old record that describes a horror story. I think is particularly good but no one else seems to know about it. Yes I should listen to it. I'm just saying you're you're digging your own grave that's on I'm saying, Hey, I've been really digging shudders creepshow original series. It is good for a transition. Campy and Goofy, and just what's fun about it is that it's not afraid to get so weird that it might like undercut the horror which actually leads to some really interesting original scares because it's just going weird places like it's it's kind of unafraid to make a fool of itself and I really like that media right now if you aren't on shudder by the way I know that like soup script services isn't what you need in your life but cut how one of the other ones you have and pick up shudder. It's all horror based media. They're putting out some of the coolest original content out there I just now from this grip learn how to spell shudder. Not Teas. So s Hud are like utter. So let's take it over to Cujo believe it. We have to the stand based Cujo. Believe. It's today because everyone's talking about the stand doing interviews about the stand because in December a new short series, easterner rap give it. I'm stoked. Hope they do. Well, they look really pretty we'll find out. So I'm GonNa tell you that captain trips did not make its debut as virus by that name in the stand made its debut in a nineteen sixty-nine story called Night Surf that S K published in the humane literary journal Hubris. Stephen King mentioned that with his stand money, he bought a canoe. He did he bought an old town canoe, which is also the kind of canoe that I own. So that's one more wages wanted I used to say that you own the same kind of canoes Steven. Kane does I actually I promise. I. Just thought of that I was like, oh That's the same kind. Do not believe press x to doubt Hey I think that brings us to the end here. weirdly enough we would like to thank Monica Chan for doing our posters. Fishman for our graphic design, Tony, Magistrelli, and Michael. Balloon. For being our academic mentor figures. Bryant our mysterious archivist, our entire Patriot community for turning us a prophet. That's true. As well as the Stephen Tabitha King Foundation for all of the good philanthropic work they do in the state of Maine and I would like to thank Phoenix Crockett my sweet Bible boy in the not state of DC, I would like to thank my wonderful. Just. Like drop. Dead Beautiful. I tried to objectify but it's unbelievable. Stephen Indra. Sano. Also, our thoughts are out there with the people experiencing problems with fires of the entire American West is on fire. We're not talking about politically or racially or any other ways or Cova we mean on fire. And if you can donate to any of those efforts that would be awesome. Boys do and thanks to you for sticking around for fifty got damn episodes. We'll see you next week for the B side of all beside this far as I'm concerned fourteen. See you then.

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Episode 37 - Insomnia Part 2

The Stephen King Boo! Club

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Episode 37 - Insomnia Part 2

"Hey folks just at the top. This is future. Steve Aka Editing Steve. You're going to hear me two more times in this episode once reading the main points which are courtesy of the wikipedia summary this week and again during the mid show. We forgot to mention something so all see both of those times enjoyed the episode content warning Gore violence against children. It was as if the door in reality had become jar. It's the Stephen King Boo Club for good talk about death and dying like that. I'm just the actor Robin Williams. The person is no psychopathic killer. You do you snooze you. Kickin back from laugh. How you hyper real right now. Yeah he's hyper real. I'm Steven Indra. Sano and I am Phoenix Crockett. And this week we are reading the final part of Insomnia published in nineteen ninety four. I'll take the main points here. In the final third of insomnia the allies of Ed deep now attack and set fire to the shelter where Helen deep now staying. Ralph and Lois saved the residents. They then seek out. Tropes and Ralph overcomes him extracting a promise to stay out of their business. The doctors being bound by their word however when released a Tropez has his revenge by Schilling. Ralph a glimpse of car impact in the near future in which he takes the life of deep now. Helen's young daughter in retaliation time is running very short. Ralph tells the other ball doctors that he will not stop and deep now whatever the consequences for the multi. I be unless they allow him to save natalie deep now by giving his life for hers when the time comes they are unable to decide and a higher level entity of which they are in awe manifests briefly stating that. This will be allowed. He and Lois finally learned that almost all of reality has stopped to watch the events unfolding as the fact all of reality and that the target of the Crimson King's attacked is not the speaker at the meeting as they had imagined but a young boy who had been in the shelter fire and will be in the audience at the talk. The Boy Patrick. Danville is the focus of a prophecy concerning the salvation of the dark tower and will perform an action later in his life that is essential to preserve the multi-diverse Ralph fights both at deep now on his plane and also the crimson king who manifests to prevent him from interrupting adds mission. I as Ed's mother and then as a gutted fish from one of his most dreaded childhood memories to prevent him from interrupting Ed's mission Ralph succeeds in causing the plane to crash some distance from the center as Ralph leaves the level on which the plane is crashing and survives. He and Lois Fall in love. And get married and gradually forget the events which brought them together in an epilogue some years later Ralph but not lowest. This time again starts to wake up early and see. Auras and eventually remembers his promise to exchange his life for Natalie's understanding that the time has come. He wants to the shops in time to see the car shown to him by a troposphere arrive and veer toward Natalie. Ralph Pushes Natalie to safety losing his own life in the process but dies peacefully and Lois is as the two bald doctors who are agents of the purpose. Wait at his side that brings us to full dark. No structure two points two points go for it. Point Number One Hey excuse me what we are cabin. Just now D- yeah. What all right number two okay. That's all that's it that's it that's all. I also have two points I guess I'll lead with the one. That's most immediately explanatory actions. Which is that. We're recording this directly. After having stopped recording part one was already one of our weirder episodes so we are full chaos baby. We're not we didn't even we rate into And then my second thing is that this book super good. It's really awesome fantasy. The other world stuff totally lands for me. It's so up and down. Different levels felt way more grounded than it did in the towels men Which really shows in the final part of this book because the final part of this book is just like raw psychedelic in terms of going into and out of AURAS. There were portions of this book where people speak to each other psychically in brackets and parentheses and in italics simultaneously. It's a lot. Let's take it over to down east wisdom so obviously the main gets toned down in favor of absolute Bananas Insanity this too much of other going on for there to be a lot of Maine in here but there's a little it is there. There's a little bit. There's some cool shoutouts. I think I'M GOING TO START. Tracking shouts to real main places while we're in this segment. We like a map or something snaps at the risk of sounding like I was hired by the Tourism Board of Midcoast Maine. Deborah Scott is super beautiful. Gets to shout outs. It's a place I went to a Lotta Kid As well as Belfast. Which is where my favorite Burger in the world is it's at Raleigh's noticed. Expert over their word wise. We get a lot of this stuff. We've gotten before a few frigates which I love. Kinda love Friggin Forgotten Kyle. Can you know we have? We have a shirt without a weekend Meghan habit. We could technically t spring would help us. Thank you spring. We are not getting paid to say that. Kiss a few written dialect. Parts were dropped. Ours are exaggerated like in the bad super bowl ad with John's Kaczynski. That's playing right now. Explained to me what dum dum. Maro Demar Scott Damn Scott. What is Dan Rea? Scott Scott is a cute little town midcoast Maine where they the biggest thing they do. Every year is a big old race down the river in Pumpkins. They hollowed out Bullshit a beer lined you saw that in the hobbit has gotta Pumpkin race. Yup It looks like fun God Damn It. It's the Pumpkin Datta. Pumpkin Fed Democrat pump. Confessed the DUMBEST GOTTA Pumpkin Guide? Are you kidding aside? It is amazing. I've never been happier in my life. We should go to it this year. It's like it's at the end of the summer is beginning the fall shit. That sounds gorgeous. Let's go to the dumber Scott Pumpkin Guidance Code that there were Scott a PUMPKIN REGATTA CELL. So go to the wet all right. Here's the web. Listen the web is where we talk about. Connections to other Stephen King Works and this one is going to be a doozy because this book is more or less a Prequel to the dark tower series. And as we've mentioned million times both of us are holding out on reading the dark tower until our series on it which will rate now. It's looking like summer. Twenty twenty to Krill. So Patrick Danville who was in this book played. A big role is a character in the dark tower series. He can draw things into existence as well as a race them which make him one of the most powerful warlocks in the multi verse. He is aware it's just saying a lot of words right now. This is a little. I swear this is true. I I I consulted some people who now thanks Robert. Robert helped him about this warlock boy. He is aware of his childhood in the nineteen nineties. Modern Earth and how he was instrumental in the defeat of the Crimson King. The first time and helps out with the second defeat later God. Only nineties kids will remember ask the Crimson. King is a super super super high level evil. Being like we're talking the the highest level like in the Lord of the rings lower the via. You know what I mean like that Zipper high bad after being raised by Danville exists only as a pair of is atop the dark tower. I'll more the dark. Tower is equally related and unrelated to the Tower of Universal Existence. Metaphor little doctors used to describe stop slowdown my brain. The dark neighboring style related at unrelated to the Tower of Universal Existence. Better for the little dock is used to describe the fourth dimension to Ralph in Lois. I feel like I'm having a stroke. And maybe if I say it because I have the script okay. The dark tower is equally related and unrelated to the Tower of Universal existence which is a metaphor that the little doctors used to describe the fourth dimension to Ralph and Louis that's true and by saying something be equally related and unrelated. We're with the Fourth Dimension Steve. Open Your Mind Buy Saving Patrick Routh gets to go on to defeat the Crimson King. He thinks once and for all wrong which helps save the entire fabric of the capital e. Everything all right cool so much less absurd note we also get the detailed gauge creed from pet cemetery was a victim of a trope ass- and therefore the random which is really interesting because it implicates whatever's wrong in the woods beyond the pet cemetery as at least an ally to or implicated with the random capital t capital are Which is cool. Because we'd gotten shout outs to pet cemetery before but never quite this directly and the whole idea of the random and the purpose being like governing lattice work of the universe that not only carry out how people die but how they live is so complex and like get. It's fleshed out but like not really so. Don't worry about it. It's a cool cosmology. Just go along for the ride man. What's going to re screams are best of section? Coo Coo Coo cool I wanNA talk about a time and Ralph fisting gin bowed Atra poses cachet. Damn loopy So row talking about CACHET invision like I look at it. This is how you lead in. What is probably the most haunting paragraph entire novel? Bill is jazz. I have a song. Second my head. It's sure had a wonderful time last night. Sung by Coco Tyler. Goatee doesn't matter. Focus on the Great Swing. Tune can't not think about it. So here's the let me let me actually read this in because this is this is one of those quotes where we both picked it. Get One per book. This is every time troas take. Someone's life before they're awake time or whatever he also takes a souvenir from them kind of serial killer thing and there's this whole crazy section where they're just about everything in a tropospheric layer and what it is and where it came from so Phoenix. Take it away. Excellent rings in Magazines. Key CHAINS AND UMBRELLAS. Hats and glasses rattles and radios. They look like different things but Ralph thought they were really all the same thing the faint sorrowing voices of people who had found themselves written out of the script in the middle of the second act while they were still learning their lines for the third people who had been unceremoniously hauled off before their work was done. Their obligations fulfilled people. Whose only crime had been to be born in the random and to have caught the eye of the madman with the rusty scalpel. Hey remember all that quote. I need will theme section because it's very relevant. Hey I've got a weird one. Can I give you a weird one? I would love to hear weird one. Let's get weird with it. So there's a section where Ralph is up in the sky. He has kind of a mentally teleported into the cockpit. That at deep now is is in to try to kamikaze the Susan Day rally. It's a whole thing he's up there and he His mom is just kind of outside the plane in a rocking chair. But it's not as mom it's the Crimson King and this section of the book is almost shining. Ask It's like right on that. Level of surreal evil malcontent thing. I can't read all of it. 'cause it's pretty extended but it's delightful it's creepy and here's a little bit. Ralph now realized that what he'd taken for an Afghan on his mother's lap was actually a mat of bloody eggs in the lap of the Crimson. King it was leaning toward him over the throbbing blanket. It's thick lips quivering in a parody of concern. Something Wrong Ralphie. Where does it hurt? Tell mother Lou rookie. Ooh That's what I read when King for his very shining. Yes it's really shining. E I I love the character bill McGovern we both McGovern rules. And I'd like to give a quick characterization so build is as you heard in the top. Yeah Sucks and here's how here's here's the thing. How could bill died so quickly and unceremoniously? He would have hated it. Routh thought not just because he would have considered dying of a heart attack in a hospital corridor in bad taste he would have considered it bad theater as well man. This is that whole thing of character is thinking about what they think. Really strong characterization. What's cool about that quote to is that it's it's characterization for bill McGovern because you get a sense for what he thought was important in his life which is having a certain amount of impact on people but it's also characterization for Ralph because it's it shows what not just what he thought of bill McGovern but what he mourns about bill McGovern like this is what makes him sad about bill's passing that's great writing also to it shows that Ralph is perceptive. His whole thing is being the most perceptive human alive but you so minimum like perceptive in a minimalist way about all of his friends much like I think thing is Yeah that's what I've got. We WanNa take me to your other. Little three three honorable mentions right. I've got some. I've got some honorable. Mention stuff going on This one's not a quote but it is fun. Gross thing that happens There were bugs that live on a higher level of consciousness that are crawling all over folks and they can't see them but the bugs are crawling in their mouths and stuff and it's weird and gross and nasty ten out of ten love it Yo. This'll Oh my God. There's a whole conspiracy theory based on this. This is based on. I unlocked the hidden word. Go on tell me about it. More Ellen's Oh my God more gallons. So Stephen King is clearly talking about this right now. This is a real psychiatric condition. People call it a conspiracy theory but is a psychiatric condition where people believe that there are insects crawling under their skin causing irritation now as a person who lives in the psychiatric world of course to me this is people thinking something is there scratching it and that's where the irritation comes from. But you wouldn't believe there. Facebook groups full of literally hundreds of thousands to millions of people who believe this fully and being the government is trying to suppress it and that all of the descriptions of the bugs sound a lot like more gentleman's anyway there's a million things to think about where gentleman's but that's I think that's what Stephen King was thinking about and I I hope you're right. I had no idea that was the thing. Thank you for being there I have a I have to really beautiful ones. Were bringing in a weird energy to this. But I've got some really lovely writing to talk about his ones before. I give a weird dishonorable mention okay. I'll bring them up before you bring 'em low This is one of my favorite romances in any Stephen King Book. Probably I would be surprised if Ralph and lois gets on seated as favorite romance This is Ralph dying in Lois. His arms listen. He said speaking with great effort yet. His eyes blazed would not let her go. Every day. I woke up next to you was like waking up and seeing everything new. He tried to raise his hand to her cheek again and found he could not every day. Lois Oh made me sad. Maybe I teared up. A little bit reminds me of the Harry Potter. Always shut the fuck up this way better than that. I don't eat my but this is way better than Matt Anyway. Best literary montage goes to the description of time passing after the main plot ends is during the day Newmont I can't read all of it but it's just some really satisfying life goes on stuff. It was life often unsatisfying frequently. Cruel usually boring sometimes. Beautiful once in awhile exhilarating. The fundamental things continued to apply as time went by. There's like a whole paragraph preceding that of just examples like small life events and it's really touching in gorgeous. It's nice. It's much like the last episode of Future Aurora. Yeah where they do. The montage anyways So here's a dishonorable mention. It's not as I will mention because it's politically incorrect. It's just really terrible writing. And it's the Saints Rayleigh inexplicably bad writing. King took the piss out of himself for this in in the book on writing. He has other places to go and other things to do. Of course every day is undoubtedly a busy day. When you're a supernatural psycho. Like him but it must be hard for him to stay away from this place for long. No matter how busy he is and how does it make him feel like a tight fuck on a summer afternoon? That's how suck at writing this. It's bad it's bad. Writing is lean tire book had been written like that. It would have been a very bad book. But it's just like this one weird blemish. I don't know what world news show. I guess we're going to the metro. I feel like early early record or not. Actually look at my very first sentence. I wrote the script getting the mid show early today. Fuck Oh it hurts to laugh because of my back what parts like little a little piece of a Michael Bloomberg interview in case you missed it just a a sniffer If you haven't heard it go over and here it is released a couple of weeks ago. He's a literature scholar who has studied mass market fiction including Stephen King also really well spoken. Isn't he great? I saw him speaker at. Uvm With Tony Mattis Rally Hello anyone on. What is your book about the Book? You're working on when this all came up. My Book is called Stephen King in American politics. And so this book explores even King's relationship to American politics from you know the ranging sixty two most recent books which are doing with what to do with Donald trump and you know the kind of populous friends that surrounding the trump presidency You know and the well it's kind of gestures that Stephen King's own personal politics You know clearly he gets involved in these conversations and sometimes pretty didn't ways. It really tries to stay focused on Stephen King's novels And tries to see where the complexities of American politics Unfold FOR US and Vietnam of course is a part of that conversation. That's really my intersection of this. Treatment of history and politics comes together the central importance of Vietnam in the American consciousness. Whenever I think of politics and Stephen King the first novel that comes up in my mind is the dead zone because one of the earliest ones we ever did. Yes yeah I think. That is part of my introduction to Stephen King in American Politics Book and he's the dead zone. I kinda an extended discussion of what kind of unique political statement is being made in the dead zone. What are we do? You know? This would be assassin This treatment of American politics is this really innately. Corrupt saying It seems in Stephen King. Like starting the the dead sound that politicians are always pretty unpleasant caricatures and next English professors. I think politicians receive the most Dislike in in Stephen. King's were and I was really intrigued by what that says about us. Our own relationship to our politicians are related to the cross to democracy. And it's done. Is that kind of starting point. Because it's a book that really considers you know. Walk around win. We are acting politically. What are the ramifications of that are choosing to enter the political fray And then if if we don't what is that alternative look like for not political animals? What are we and I think Stephen King's were. He's a really interesting place to explore who we are going to go creatures So you that's kind of obviously dead zone is at the epicenter of all of them from there. I just branch out into a lot of other texts that pick up on similar themes remarkable to me is really kind of the consistency of kings political set of values From the seventies until today there have been some changes. And I do talk about those but really I think he has a pretty established way of thinking about American politics. That kind of trace all the bodies work good dude. He's great. I hope to keep him like involved in the PODCASTS. And let's let's keep him around Also in the news Phoenix feel free. To tell me that this is nothing we can announce just yet but we managed to lend interview with the folks behind the old gods of Appalachia. Podcast WE surer dead. It's an amazing podcast. Doing all the stuff that we are so jealous of to horror fiction rube they are as American as Americana gets have some of the best music I think may be an all of podcasting. Their sound design phenomenal man. I can't wait for you guys to your them. Yeah very excited about that. Actually record like if we're thinking about when this episode is recording versus when it's releasing I'm actually recording that in like two hours. Yeah it's a big day for us. so we have the usual social media social. Jesus healed meal. We had the usual Sergio mediums routes. Did you find us on facebook? Find us on the twitter. This is a jerk We're also on instagram and patriotic on. And we have an email if you email shit. We've had people do that and that's also love time. Please do Stephen King Boo clever. Gmo DOT COM. We will answer. Yeah we were talking to people might take a while but we'll get there and we have the winner of the arts emission gone dust. We sure do we have. Lots of fun aren't submissions. Some of it was super off the wall. Some of it was just super brand but the point is That the winner we got cross-stitch. We gotTa Cross Stitch. You know how much we love fucking cross-stitch we should. We've only been joking about it for the entire. Run of this podcast. We have been asking for a cross stitch this whole time and the one that it's so clean it's so much better than other crossed shows. I've seen it's beautiful to fund. That's really it's like the artists. 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So shout out to Keith. Reads nine Keith. Is a Bookstore Grammar? Who posts reviews and updates about books and stuff like that and he said it's a really lovely message of encouragement about all of our work. Thanks key thank you yeah fan. We love much love so much. Love note here before we hit needful themes We forgot to announce that we would be doing a one minute. Musical hit a fifty. I guess that's morning. These showed me the tower. A reality. Well I wanted to conciously one fifty time to restructure the love one. Now we control the Star Do you WANNA move on over to our literary analysis action. Let's good literate Alice's section so something I really love about. This is that I wrote this when I was in a very state of mind and not at all loopy so I've really serious topic. I don't know if yours is. The same mine is roving senseless Took me really long to write but is not is not coherent. I can't wait so we have both have of what makes insomnia good representative teams. Do you WanNa start serious or do you want to end serious? What do you think should end serious? I think we should all right. Let's get wacked Lincolnshire. Let me pull up my timer. All right my friend. I'm ready when you. Are you ready three? Two one part of why sleep fascinates authors so much and indeed sleep plays a major role in innumerable major and minor. Works is because it is unknowable. The science of the subject is well. Traversed answers are unsatisfactory less clean than in other neuroscience and other anatomy general. It is clear that king did his research and insomnia. But there's still information about the disease that is incorrect outdated because a king is not a scientist and be more importantly the literature is updated every few years with new conclusions and therefore fresh questions sleep is also an individual experience much like grooming or exercise where the activity is not private but often completed in solitude this adds a layer of unknow ability and therefore a layer of fascination often sleep serves only to offer dreams in art which are used in the works of King and beyond as conduits for foretelling expression of a character's drew desires an excuse to write nightmare scenes and realism et Cetera. In insomnia it's lack of sleep. That's the ticket offering the theory that with sufficient lack of sleep a person might have access to other dimensions. This is not the first exploration of this concept. Proust's disgust sleepless nights and subsequent involuntary memory and hallucination in Allah cherished. Tom Po do In search of last time which itself inspired Matthias Yards. Compass both huge major literary works. Ralph's character is unlike the protagonist those stories though because he perhaps more realistically can't think straight onto hours of shutout one could also argue that either of those narrators that either of those narratives might have actually fallen asleep and was dreaming. Like the was they were they. Were they awake? Which Ralph was not which points to the both absurdity and individual individuality of insomnia plot wise. It's interesting that I've pointed out dreams in the last like seven bucks we've done and now we're getting a book that's largely a waking dream. Anyways in Western literature and art sleep is also deemed a weakness. A good example of this is after the last supper. J. Dog asks his twelve dudes to like stay awake and pray with them. They each fall asleep. Turn showing how much lamer they are. The Jesus that kind of thing amateurs anyways insomnia sleep is impossible but lack of sleep is strength which hearkens to the favourite epitaph. The proudly overworked. American I'll sleep when I'm dead kind of thing. Ralph only get stronger. The less sleep he gets until eventually know byles. Demon God This continues with characters like the narrator slash Tyler Durden in fight club. Insomnia caused him to become a strong and chaotic violent character at night or Mr Hyde. In Stevenson's seminal narrative. Tyler's also weak ass toxic masculine bitch so my point continues now We read to go to sleep. I what I right here. All right incoherent sentence. I can't read but the point that I'm really trying to make here is sleep is so central to the human day you know. Hopefully it's a third of everything that you do that its proposal and it's visage in Literature and art in general tends to be this sort of roaming you know Hard to put your finger on intangible thing and he was funny is that even the text books are the same on the subject. It still ends up talking in circles and not making sense occasionally. I'm done. I'm just talking about something circles anyway. Great I love it On the topic of sleep in media. I really like what the Bobby Duke does with sleep in media some strong sleep deprivation themes in that and of course the classic nightmare on Elm Street gotta gotTa gotTa talk about nightmare on Elm Street. Which we've taught us they show before. Yeah 'cause they good. Yeah man I mean. I don't have like a whole lot to add to that. I appreciated that. You brought up fight club. I think that's a really interesting thing to add the conversation. 'cause I don't typically think of that as a sleep story even though it super textually is and I'm you know. I'm glad that you brought in some Jesus Steph. I'm always happy for you when you can bring Jesus we got Von Again. Same thing basically. So let's go over to you or good talk about death and dying and death and dying and grieving and that kind of thing. It's rolled dark What hopefully not actually dark. Just just serious all right. Let me now all right all right. Let's do it. Let's do it all right all right one two three so just as a heads up. I'm about to talk about death and dying like what. So if you're not in a good head space to think about such things just skip ahead. A few minutes ready great here. We go in this book. Stephen King gets way into the two ways that people can die in his universe for the purpose and for the random the two factions are not necessarily a cut and dry good and evil but they definitely fall roughly along those lines when people are taken by the purpose. It can be heartbreaking but it seems generally fair when the random gets you nets not given that general textual context. Let's talk about death in our culture grain of salt. I'm not an expert on this concept from what I can tell. This topic is mad complicated. The first time I really thought about good death versus bad death was in high school. I was volunteering at a hospice care and receiving training in a type of end of life therapy as it turns out. It's incredibly common for people in their end of life as to feel a deep depression bleeding that they didn't have a meaningful life. The therapy that I trained in was all about flipping that script through series of semi standardized interviews a life narrative is actively constructed and then preserved for the family of the deceased. It gives a sense of completion. It can help turn a bad death into a good death. One of the big deciders in what makes a good death is that it makes kind of narrative sense. This is a really hard one to define. So we're going to go back to insomnia for some examples. The Dog Rosalie original not deploy now gets claimed by a tropes and has a bad random death. She struck by a car and dies bringing her story to an abrupt end. That there's the death as presided over by the purpose. Multiple characters who have had protracted and severe illnesses digest only in their sleep their life stories neatly finished so two things on that one. Let's not ignore the obvious being hit by a car. Hurt like hell whereas passing away in your sleep wouldn't but there are plenty of painful deaths. Which seem intuitively or culturally. Good such as jumping on a grenade to save the lives of others and some painless. Deaths are intuitively or culturally bad. Like if you were knocked out by a serial killer before they ate your heart or whatever that is to say. Physical Discomfort can be part the calculation. But it isn't everything. A major consideration is story. Did the person's life have a beginning middle and end did their end come at the end. One More consideration for you. What did their death do if someone dies in the service of others were in the service of a specific cause which is deemed valuable for example? A soldier dying in war. That's probably good death. A dog getting hit by a car. Not so much. Here's one more wrinkle. Your justifiable cause is not everyone's justifiable cause. If a man dies trying to save a famous painting from a burning building are they a hero or a fool to bring it back to insomnia. Many people die in insomnia. Those under the purpose generally seem to have capital G. Good deaths the random skews the other way edits deep now is unclaimed until a tropez cuts his life cord. And what I find cool about that is that his death is somewhere between a good death in a bad death. It's not painless. But dying at the epicenter of an explosion is at least quick. His life has had an arc he learned about the Crimson King and went on a quest feed him L. No or it's also utilitarian the Geez you get the point I'm making it's it's Hafeez. It's not clean cut. Good Yeah Okay what are the things I wanted to say about that I agree super complicated. I think that death it can be divided for studying purposes in to what's happening to the body what's happening to the mind what's happening. Socially you know I think grieving and bereavement is is such a sad topic that people don't study it because it makes them think. Oh how would I feel if people died but it's important to think more about it and get more into The you know the topic death if you wanna read about like the highest books or book About death that has ever been written. That is like totally uncontested in the world of this exact topic you're talking about is Elizabeth Kubler Ross's on death and dying. She's the best death person steadier ever and that book is like the culmination of her work. Yeah we'll bring it back to our show and to what we're doing it really cuts to the heart of what I like about horror. Which is that it allows us to talk about things that are taboo right horror like some of the best contemporary horror have been meditations on specifically death or on specifically you know illness or postpartum depression loneliness masculinity like things that are hard to talk about. Horror doesn't shy away from and allows us to think about in ways that are satisfying and kind of perversely safe. You know because it's not safe to distance yourself from a difficult concept it is safe to allow yourself to feel things about it. Which is the purpose horror to allow you to feel about it. It's almost to knock you late. You against those feelings like writing about it in this safe space where you know. Everything's okay you know right. You get to leave the movie theater. You know. We've talked with a million times And it's worth it's worth repeating again and again I do however I want to take us over to the which one do I shoot? Oh Man I know you love this segment. This is our adaptation segment. You've written some very confusing in the script though so explain yourself okay so there is no movie a movie called insomnia. This is ridiculous but it's not at all related to the cannot believe going great though Alpa. Chino is a cop who chases psychopathic killer. Robin Williams like the Evan Williams of the actor Robin Williams. The person isn't a psychopathic killer. But he plays he plays a psychopathic killer. Does an amazing job. It's a super good movie unrelated to this. You should go watch it there. Was I think you for that? Phoenix very valuable content. That I'm sure are listenership will enjoy development hell for about nine years Yeah because how the fuck would you produce this movie? Yeah there was a suggested. Cast like a cast list of who they were going to ask. Do everything here. I WanNa give you my my ideal casting for some of the main characters. When you're done Jesse okay. My guess is this movie was canceled her a hoax from the beginning. There's a lot of different weird stuff about it. It's like back door Hollywood's Understand so Richard Jenkins and Mary steenburgen would have been the leads and they are the parents in stepbrothers that yeah yeah yeah you to Naria As well as Eddie read main. Don't know what party would have played. It's just really wanted to learn listed not a big Eddie read main Fan Dono Jennifer Morrison. Who is the She was in house. He was one of the three doctors in house house. Md Right For loyd back to the future dead now so not him Amy Ryan who plays Holly from the office would have been the woman. Mrs Paren- sure Martin Klay just keep throwing me smarten clever. Who is the little person in parts? The Caribbean would have been the obvious. Probably only choice for full doctors obvious. Yes only probably amazing actors who are little people. But he's just Ilan that looks exactly like the description makes that And then Ron Perlman is the crimson king. Excellent all right. Here's here's here's what I want. I want Sir Ian mckellen as Bill McGovern The dad. No he was just in cats. Oh he was just yet. He wishes he was dead. Anyways I want Willem Dafoe as Ralph. I want Obviously this is a stretch. I would love to see Meryl is Lois. Yup I want James Franco as deep now. Yup I'm guessing that Eddie Redman would have done anyway. Go on those are kind of the big ones for me. I don't know that I would need like known actors for a lot of other parts. I want Jaden Smith Patrick Danville. That would be good. That would be good. I think it would be fun if Tina fey could play. Susan Dey that. When thinks she wants to be because she's a good actor? I think that she could do it. I really think you're absolutely right. yeah. I think that's good. I just also want to point out. How much better at this casting game? I've gotten since we've started this project. If you go back to like episode one Oh Shit Shit when it comes to movies. I've been Stephen Watch movies. I love yeah a Kathy Bates as the Crimson King. And just obvious way. God I'm Rusty. We gotta get through this. Okay that's fine. Listen we're at Battle of the books bound books so this is where we talk about. Which of the two books we've read most recently is better So this is up against Louis clayborn and Phoenix. I think we're in agreement. I think doors clayborn book. I think so too I mean insomnia was great and we spent months like to hold on on it but it did almost kill me. It did so minus points for that I think the claiborne is on a literary classic and Insomnia. A Fun Stephen King read. Yeah I agree. I think that's all that needs to be said. Let's move onto recommended reading okay so recommended reading God. He's here I'm here. I'm here your flag. Keep keep with Nora. Almost through line is ping. Were almost our like two and a half of recording this phone call. Oh my God So I think that pink moon which is a great album by Nick Drake and his partially about sleepiness in sleep topics Is a great soundtrack to this book. Love it hey I want to recommend. This is a bit of a deep cut. There's a graphic novel called Sin Titular which literally translates to without title by Cameron Stewart. It started its life as a web comic with no particular and planned out It's no longer available online but it is available as a physical book. It's one a bunch of awards. It's got a really great creepy kind of mysterious forces greater than you vibe. Sleep is a huge huge theme in it Lots of surreal horror imagery and I stole it from the shelf of someone who who listens to this show. So shoutouts you are. You can read it in one day. Excellent further if you don't subscribe Harper's magazine because your normal Goget this issue of Harper's magazine The march twenty twenty issue the one. That's GONNA come out rate after you get this episode. Because it's got a new story by Stephen King. The fifth step of new story by Lauren. Groff who wrote fate in the fury's which my wife's favorite book And if you WANNA get like really really really up to the date. S K stuff this Next month Tara Harbors Fiction Harvard. Shit Man. That was great. Thanks upon that out of your back pocket. I appreciate that. Let's move on to Cujo. Believe it. Our phone facts corner you go. I got explanations. Yelm and this book won the Bronze Stoker Award as like I duNNo. Most Stephen King novels do all right. Yeah so because it's good half of our listeners. Again a deeply connect with this and the other half say. What the heck are you talking about? in some. I would say most at least a lot of schools in America Part of your English credit that you get from all the way down to like third grade up through Mike Ninth and Tenth Grade Credit for English class comes from a are points. A are is called accelerated reading. And that's when you go to your school library and pick any book you want. Read it and take a quiz on it. Books are assigned points based on how many pages there are not on how difficult the reading is on which means that insomnia was thirty A. R. Points Dot was a lot and if you need to knock a whole semester's worth of a are out when you're in eighth grade In one go or for example one weekend because you put it off like I. I got thirty A. R. Points for Reading Insomnia in passing the quiz in eighth grade. I love that I also want you to know that this was an ar system but it was something similar to it where we had a class in my head to go middle school library and pick out a book in. I managed to find what I can only describe as like Catholic adventurer horror book. I've not been able to find anything on it sense but it was so overtly Christian. It's amazing what was it called. Left behind the left behind series. I have no. It's definitely what you're talking about okay. We'll do a bonus episode or something. Shoot me back in time. Okay Okay Yeah. Great I give up. I submit to. I submit to insomnia given out you. Go take a nap. I'll take a thanks thanks to Monica Chan for doing posters those are some designs available on RT spring store online. Thanks to Michaela Fishman for doing graphic design. You doing okay over there. He's news. I'm kickin back laugh. You hyper real right now yet. He's hyper real. Thanks to don't imagine Stri mentor as well as Michael Balloon for his amazing interview. Thank you so much for that. Thanks to our patriotic subscribers for keeping US afloat month by month and thank you to the Stephen and Tabitha King Foundation for your charitable work in the state of Maine. Hey Phoenix yes. Thank you came your. Oh thanks. It's been a wild one. Thanks to the listenership specifically you person listening to this. The next book we will be reading we will be reading in two parts And it is the Green Mile which is a lot of people's favorites from the nineties. Yeah so do one two and three because there's six green mile books. They're all little tiny Nina Velez. They are like serialized like Charleston. Style redoing parts. One two three next time and then four five and six time after that. It's still not that much reading. It's much less than we usually do on to give you a break from insomnia and there's a lot to talk about. We hope you're excited. Yeah we are certainly excited and Oh and of course thank you to. Who is the wonder of our jasmine highways? All banks to Jasmine Zoll. You have one of course a thank you slot for. I don't know like a month or so. Forget if we've made official rules but thank you. That was amazing. Aren't you dead very good? Love it? Peace Out Ohio.

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Episode 34 - Gerald's Game

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Episode 34 - Gerald's Game

"Warning this program contains descriptions of sexual assault sexual assault of a minor extreme gore listener discretion is advised boy yourself and other coffee deer. And if you've got a bottle of brandy handy you may WANNA doctor it up a little bit. It's the Stephen King Boo new club. Pisa Space Cowboy. He's a gangster of love. Now go ahead. I'll be okay all right here. We go all right yeah. I can't the inside stuff. Stay inside body outside stuff. Stay outside body. Did you see that kind of words. I'm Steven Indra. Sano in Dime Phoenix corrupt. And this week we're reading Gerald's game or Garold Game Gerald's game Gerald's Jayme. Gerald Gerald J am published in Nineteen Ninety two Phoenix one to take us to the endpoints. Jessie burlingame and her hotshot lawyer husband Gerald go to their Lake House in Maine for an impromptu October getaway away. Gerald's plan is to play a sex game with Jesse where he handcuffs her to the bedposts she decides after being chained up that she doesn't want to play the game in jail decides to rape her. She fights back though in the kicks to deliver his to his groin and chest set off a heart attack in Gerald dies on the floor uh No one is around. Jesse is totally alone. The lake this time of year and she is chained up in such a way that escape is seemingly impossible. As the peace progresses Jesse deals with physical and emotional stress as well as her past she reflects on her unhappy marriage and sex lights that led to this moment. A series of flashbacks is revealed. That Jesse was once molested by her father during the solar eclipse and manipulated into keeping it a secret for thirty years. She she thinks about how perhaps her relationship with her father led to her relationship. Gerald she also involuntarily remembers her brother goosing her or pinching her but at a birthday party has kids that how that re aggravated her sexual trauma throughout Jesse's life and now more than ever she hears voices talking to her. She's not schizophrenic. By her internal Oh no mile log takes on many forms including her college roommate. Ruth her therapist Norah her mother Pumpkin her child self an oppressed housewife version version for self called good wife rebellious version of herself. That appears only at the end in various. UFO's were Jesus to describe voices from her distant past. A stray dog enters and feeds on Gerald's corpse. She's able to get a drink of water from a glass on overhead shelf using a rolled up magazine insert as a Straw Straw. She is of course incontinent and her body begins to degrade two nights in at the height of her exhaustion. She sees an apparition of tall misshapen men who to her represents both father and death itself surely it is a hallucination does not treat it as such she is terrified and pleads with the silent being and after trying several methods of freeing herself to no avail her child voice. Pumpkin tells her to use the glass to cut her wrists and dig love one of her hands. She does so and frees herself using the Kiama bureau then terrified of the man. She skips the phone in drives into town. where she is is found nearly dead at the general store several surgeries and several months? Later Jesse is writing a letter in it. She describes her sexual assaults in her ordeal. She also describes how one of Gerald's voyeur colleagues helped her keep the press quiet and deal with the various problems that arose after the incident part of this included a discovery that tall man is not an apparition but an actual serial killer and NECROPHILIAC. Who've been trolling the empty camps? A man with Akron Meghan the chose not to kill her because of his preference for men as victims she shows up to his trial spits on him and moves on with her life. Let's take it to full dark. No structure all right. Y'All so few things she sang. Let's just just got what's Ping Pong you go. I I got this book handed to me in Pre Algebra in eighth grade by Michael Blake. It was my gos- Michael Michael Blake. Hey this too early Mike what you doing. It was being passed around by grade as an illicit contraband book valid. And that's the first time that I read this book. That's a whole can of worms that I'm not going to open up Y'all this might be my favorite Steven King Book. I know that's a big statement but I mean literally. I know this is cliche. I laughed. I cried I like cheered out loud And I also almost fainted. I literally texted Phoenix during the gloving. See and I was like I don't feel so good and he's like sit down absolutely. Yeah I mean this book is this book is wild. It's I I like sat like read half of the D. gloving scene and then I had to do a few pseudo coups dart back in working order Sudoku I don't know if you knew or the opposite of horror it's the precise other ended the compass. I've never done this to go in my life. I find it very relaxing. Lindsey Krause has a great audible reading. That's next point is I was reading. I didn't listen to an audio book version of this but I remember birth thinking like man. Whoever reads this audio book has to do a bang up job? Oh which actually leads me to my next full Arcnord structure structure that we won't get to talk about anywhere else I process a lot of my thoughts the same way that Jesse main character does where I process In like voices voices in my head. So I have recognizable there on me right. But there's definitely like one voice who's an asshole and usually if that voices talking. I'm like shut up asshole. I didn't know that. Yeah yeah and I don't. I didn't know that other people thought this way until I like read this book and I was like thank God. I think there's how Stephen King things I think. He has multiple voices in his head. I have one voice that says nothing and just shows me the projections of pictures of things. He's like my personal project. No good way to tiger about internal pot without sounding like a crazy person. It's impossible one hundred hundred in the one hundred percent impossible you would else sounds like crazy. People the darks course Sun worshippers NAM. Yeah yeah so like. That's what they call themselves. The people who are going to see the eclipse in this book and I want that to be my new band named dark score Sun worshippers dope name. Am there's a lot of really solid writing in this book. And if you are ready I am ready to go to sweet. Screens are best of section. Do we got a hold down east wisdom. Oh Man all right. I'm ready to go to Downey's wisdom so this piece was overflowing with Maine yes he. It's funny because I didn't I was so caught up in all of the rest of it that I didn't even catch the main `ISMs this time. I'm glad you had your eyes out for him. There wasn't so many main `ISMs maybe one or two. There was just a lot of talk about main. That was so central. That's true I don't know which edition of this book you read. You sent me a version of it to paperback back edition. You can hear me Russell and through some pages here. It's a cigarette book. It says and it is a nineteen eighteen. Ninety three looks like addition In a few pages in there is an actual map of Maine as main exists. I in the Stephen King verse. I say this because right in the path of the eclipse our haven and and dairy which is super cool. I love that I was given that copy by Tony Destroy. No no because of that. That's awesome yeah you can see castle. Rock is To the the west of dairy and a south south of dark score lake it's a really really dope illustration. I'm sure you could find it online. Totally so cool. Uh so a couple of things the I wanted to point out. One is. There's a loon called keeps happening. Calls are such a part of my existence that it's one of the things on the only things things actually that I really miss. I'm in the see if I can't find online a loon call somewhere putting right anyways. Dan here no yeah. That's what it's like. There are a shout out to real main restaurants. Like it's cool. Yeah this in which is came from the Amato's in Gorham. I love that mottos. I did not know this reveal just not it makes stuff up like he do that Lawson. The pats pizza franchise that gets mentioned has grown and is the rockingest meanest bar with good pizza ever hough. Aw I love these phone facts. Tell me more. Keep going Jesse's Dad who's a banker is trying to justify how hard he works and he says no potato farmer in every state county works as hard as I do and I just like to say fuck you friends the county and he's a piece of shit while yeah he's want media obviously he's like the worst but also is the worst in other ways to nobody more than my grandmother loves make like a blank and blank phrases. Yeah there isn't good ones in this one. I think the meanest hist one was make like a hockey player and get the puck out. It's perfect for like a cross stitch. It really is. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa do a Doodo will this one for you. Remind me an all digital media. I appreciate it. Yeah this one was actually a main is that I had actually heard this one that I heard one that I had. The one that I had heard was. The devil is beating his wife. Do you know yet means I heard that one. That's a weird euphemism for some showers when But it's still sunny out. Yeah and I had never heard it Outside of snow like when it was sunny but oh weird. I'd it always heard that that was a good deep south thing. I wonder if it's just a broadly rural. Think it's an everywhere thing and we made it about snow because we don't get rain right. Yeah yeah makes sense the one. I hadn't heard that I loved that. I'm sure he made up for this pieces. The Sun doesn't shine on the same dogs ass every day. They need a little bit of levity now and then especially in this one one last quote in Maine February. It'd be wary days are thankless miserly. Things so good. y'All are going to hear this in February so we're pretty close now. Yeah that's really really amazing. Especially because like Phoenix and I met at the University of Vermont. Vermont being on a similar latitude always just compared compared to the the mid Atlantic. Where I'm at now and I remember feeling that way not having words for it in February where the days are show so so short and it's just like it's like minus twelve degrees for Ya not is freezing in your nose like you can feel your your body heat trying to escape into the outside world and never come back and part of my never has I think we should take it just screams section this too much in here to even start? I mean the the quality of writing in this piece is just astounding. It truly go out if you have the stomach for it. Read this one just for the tension control the pacing of it the descriptions. It's all top notch. Watch Stephen King. Let's Ping Pong. I'll start yes. Yeah so it's it's all too good obviously like Stephen said you can't really pick But I did I had to. And here's some stuff that stood out for me in the very first couple of pages. She's describing her initial disgust with her husband. So you already already kind of know. Things are GONNA go wrong. Yeah but you see her start to get really vitriolic with it. So there is in their marriage. Problems come out. She says she couldn't quite put her finger on what that thing was the assure you can. It makes him look stupid. You can practically see his. I Q going down ten points for every inch that green spreads at its maximum. Width your killer. Corporate lawyer of a husband looks like a janitor on work release from the local mental institution and it goes on. Yeah Yeah you really hammered home. How much she doesn't like her husband's stupid smile? which is brutal? He's so handsome in the the movie that I thought. Yeah I started with that image in mind. Had to adjust it I always pictured him as I was reading this kind of like someone who would have been really handsome in his early twenties but just didn't age. Well you know. That's kind of the image that I got all right. You're next sure so. This one is man. I've got some really serious ones in some really like crazy. Easy horror ones. which do you want? I withdrew serious We're GONNA start serious Obviously I am not going to read the depiction of Jesse's molestation at the hands of her father. It's breathtaking now. It's an absolute masterclass in using tension. Attention and like dramatic ironies used really strongly It's written in such a way that it's completely and utterly one thousand percent and crystal clear that children are never ever ready for sexual contact like never mind from a family member and that might sound like a really low bar but honestly our media representation is not there yet like we need strong media representation to really come out and say like. Hey Incest and rape aren't just taboo marketing ploys or wake dark edgy punch lines to play with. That's not how this book handles it the way this book handles. It is like a Gut Punch in slow motion for like thirty pages ages. It's GonNa stick with me for a really really long time. That was the part that I had to take a step back and be lack creepers yeah I mean it's it's like it's killing. Phoenix currently gave me a coffin will never go away. Yeah no I mean oh I don't even have words like just some of the most powerful writing we've certainly that we've read on the program absolutely Louis. Why don't you take this ball and run with it because there's nowhere to go from there going next? Yep Yep going next so to give you an idea of the frantic nature serve the writing worth a lot of voices coming at each other Here's what happens when the big monster man shows up with his bag of bones and smiles. Remember that I said at at that way. His bag of bones all smiles. ooh It's almost like there's one other Steven King Book that occurs at dark score four Lakers as his character. Almost like that book is currently in my basement with me. Oh my so. Here's it. There was something horribly horribly familiar about that Grin Jesse felt the core of her sanity which had borne this assault with remarkable strength until now at last began to waver she she whispered Daddy. Don't be silly good wife cried. Don't be a Goof Jesse your father has been dead since nineteen eighty instead of helping. It made things worse much worse. Yes this book does what Cujo wishes. It could've oh yeah I mean yeah. Cujo is a practice run for misery. which was the first game of the series that that was the world series of this book? One like you can draw a through line immediately e ask for sure I want to go on a similar kind of you've bizarre note here. There's like obviously when you talk about this book you talk about the trauma writing and you talk about the de Gloving having seen because holy God damn but there's some really solid psychological and psychedelic horror in here that I think it's glossed stover because it happens briefly. There's a lot of dreaming in this book because there's nothing else to do but dream and daydream when you're starving to death in bed Here's what's going down. Jesse is having a nightmare. One point and is being brought to the brink of waking up when she hears prince the dog eating her dead husband. That situation leads to this buck. Wild series of sentences quote. She looks up and and sees that Gerald's knowing disconcerting smile has turned into a gaping wound suddenly the stray dogs blood-soaked snout pokes out between between his teeth. The dog is also grinning and the head that comes shopping out between its fangs like the onset of some obscene birth belongs to her father. I love too hard. My friends sometimes say her father sings from inside the mouth of the dog which which is the mouth of her husband and and that you know what that sentence could have come straight from the shining that is look shit. Look we had at some point Steve. So so obviously can't give the whole Daego having seen but I'll give you a just how it starts assure you can't because I will come on my microphone. And what fully that would be. I'll give you just how it starts the wait before you start any to confess something. I am not good with blood. I almost fainted when I saw in an IV drip in my girlfriend wants so. I knew that about you but I like writing would be. You'd be wrong. Do you WanNa take your headphones off for us. Yeah we'll just take a lap go ahead. I'll be okay. We go all right. Yeah I can't having you have Basil Mayo. syncope over there will be fine. It'll be fine all right. She watched fascinated as the jutting point first dimpled her skin. Then and Pompton. I was wrong. She kept gassing and her wrists kept eating being the glass filled up. With blood heard Jesse's first reaction was disappointment. The Glass Hook hadn't created aided the gusher she had hoped for and had feared then. The sharp edge severed the blue bundles of Dane. Lying closest to the surface of the skin and the blood began end. Flowing out pastor it did not come in the pulsing jet she had expected but in a fast steady flow like water from a tap which had been spun almost all the way open. Then the radial artery in the center of arrest parted and the stream became a freshman. It added I I'm like you didn't like blood. I didn't know you varied in like I. Yeah well 'cause okay story time. I used to be fine with like blood and all things medical Tom. I was doing volunteer work for hospice care and we had to go get TB tests shirt. And I thought I knew that it was you know some sort of some sort of body tasked whatever and I saw the needle and that was fine because I was still okay with needles at this point. My Life I did not not know that it was an injection. I thought that they were drawing blood. So I looked down and there is a bubble appearing under my skin and all of the blood drained from my face and from that moment forward I was not okay. I still still like need someone to go with me. Want to get flu shots. Like I can't do it like anything. Might insides need to stay. Here's here's a good rule of thumb thumb for me inside stuff. Stay inside body outside stuff. Stay outside body. Do you see how that Kinda works on the same way. That is picking up. When I'm down he stuff I mean I can dig around the cadaver lab? No problem like not even like hearing that but like my own life it starts flowing out. I'll ask for help like I. I won't be happy about it. The point is talked about our own ship for a second here. Now you have one more. Yeah I do. Hey speaking of my own shit this is. I think some of the best writing on trauma that we've gotten so far and I and you know you boy is man just said a trauma slut. We're not the rape freezing. I'm a big fan of writing about drama because because it helps me to understand my own history and whatever This passage really spoke to me and I want to see if it really speaks to you in the same way. Oh a bit of context. I this is after Jesse has finally kind of let herself accept what happened to her her as a kid quote Jesse expected a flood of negative emotions at this sorry realization. She had after all been played played for a sucker by the man whose primary jobs had been to love and protect her. No such flood. CAIN perhaps this was partly partly because she was still flying high on endorphins but she had an idea it had more to do with relief. No matter how rotten that business this had been she had finally been able to get outside it. Her chief emotions were amazement that she had held onto the the secret as long as she had and to kind of uneasy. Perplexity how many of the choices she had made since that day had been directly or indirectly influenced by what had happened. Yup Yeah Right Yeah God just hits right in the heart part. Oh just hits right there you know let that speak for itself other is just incredible There don't even know I I mean. We both have a honorable dishonorable mentions. Let's hit those before we roll along. Yeah there's two each Honorable Mention part one at the end in a letter to Ruth King goes on a feminist manifesto about how men try too hard to predict women because they all new seating. They're good at it. He blabs labs man's planning. It's great it's great. Makes me happy part of it. The light dawn then Ruth. I suddenly understood that all of them. All of the men investing what had happened at the lake had made certain assumptions about how I'd handle the situation in. Why done the things? I've done most worked in my favor and certainly simplified things but there was still something both infuriating and will spooky in the realization that they drew the most of their conclusions. Not what I'd said her from any evidence they'd found in the house but only from the fact that I'm a woman in women can be expected to behave in certain predictable as uh so man is so good. I will mention for sure. I WANNA take dishonorable almanzan. Please do so Stephen King loves pop culture references. When Jesse Jesse I sees Joe Bear to the serial killer at the foot of her bed? She's having all these panicky thoughts about like. What is this mysterious? The thing and what Stephen King settles on is I know what he is. He's a space cowboy. He's a gangster of love. You've some people call him Maurice because he speaks of the pompous of love in its they. Don't I'll go as far to say Maurice but they stopped short of it. They say autism though do not I swear to God I have. I have right here. The pompous comes up Miller band song. It's very famous. And it comes up when she's describing her rapist father and death itself. It is the stupidest stupidest yeah especially because that song is so fluffy in dumb like. Yeah so my theory. Is that Stephen King. Distilled all the bad parts of this book boiled them down. He couldn't divest them fully from the experience. And so you had to contain them them in one like cursed vessel and that was space cowboy the one time he didn't contain them where he like kind of burgled it out again like a drunk person who can't quite keep their vomit inside your stomach. KINDA COMES OUT AT. When she's driving away he throws in every dumb little rhyme in dump saying he knows about he do do that? We'll okay in fairness the main character is bleeding out. That was kind of my thing is like all right. She's like delirious at this point. Again stilted dialogue apologised. This is a known issue for me. There's a there's a the song you're the dishonorable mention was. There was a song involved. Pop Culture Reference Honorable Mention. There's a pop culture reference when the serial killer is in the back of the COP. None on this seven foot man with meg lees singing. I can't see you need love. And nobody she okay. But here's the thing right. Serial killer being inexplicable scary. Good main character being explicable obnoxious bad That's how I feel about it. We are quickly rounded towards the mid show. But what's hit the web real quick I. This is the segment where we discuss. Connections to other Stephen King Works and there are several. We've talked about this a little bit we talked about bag abounds real quick Dark Score Lake is a hop skip and a jump away from the leak and ocean. That are very important for next novel. And the rest of Stephen King's Work Allen. Pink born born is mentioned as the antecedent to the police. Chief I love Allan Pangbourne. Even you're GONNA get a whole Allen Pangbourne book right now. I did not know that book needful needful things is a whole Allen Pencil book. Beautiful Love it So yeah this book firmly takes place in the world where castle rock events events take place. The word Cujo gets thrown out there. Yeah he loves pepper that in there. He's like remember that dog book. I wrote speaking of Cujo. Let's do pet cemetery real quick. Quick Phoenix did you. Just take us to pet cemetery and I wrote it Phoenix Phoenix. He shouldn't have no. Please take us there so. The dog is so central to the peace. He's so part of everything. His name is prance France. He deserves a very knotty toe on. The bad dog is not a bad dog. He doesn't attack. The live. person can have that Ed girl for sure. I can't blame this starving stray for eating. Someone's Shitty husband. So let's he deserves to have his. The story told Yes. His owner got him for his daughter at a roadside stand and brought him to up to camp. His name is prince referred to as the dog formerly known as Prince which is a jagged goof. We accept that. Goof your honor I accept that Goo those no prince rebranded like the artists prints. It's a whole all thing doesn't matter his owner who had just bought a seventy five thousand dollars. Boat turned him out in the woods to starve because he didn't want to pay the seventy dollars. Hoa Fee to bring the Animal home. Bastard we hear from this dog in third person instead of first which works a whole works so much better her. Yeah because you still get a little bit of his character perspective but only enough that you get glimpses which is just good. 'cause you need a little mystery because no one knows how dogs thank you know now. Hey stop that you know now. Do you belong to the me Steven. Yeah were there. They're great get this on. We got stuff to say we do have stuff to say and I would like you to start saying it showed up to our Patriot on peeps. We be posted. There wants this week. Were posting their again in this week. Yeah just so folks now as we did not realize that we'd like I actually have people driving on Patriots were mind boggled everyday. Buy It So we're in the process of putting things into our page Riyan that we care about and one of the things that we've decided to do based off of a listener suggestion. Thanks Rama is to do. Some requested costed needful themes segment. So if you have a topic that you want us to talk about and you're in our patriots man we'll go ahead and probably do the Dang thing. Now that's what what we've been working on partly Also we've been busy boys. We've been busy. You've been busy boys. We're working on bonus content for the off week next time That's going to be the movie adaptation of this piece which is very exciting. That's right we're not in the movie. We're not doing what trying to shoot this week. We're into a whole episode is a whole Dang. So don't listen for it now you'll get it. Just just wait wait seven days leaving you this or if you're listening to this later you can do it. You can pause you. Listen to that and Comeback Chuck toward new FBI peeps. Everyone knows BURP on air. I can't believe First Time time first time we are doing insomnia in two parts even though it's nine hundred pages long so if we were you I would get started on it in tandem random with dolores claiborne. Yeah yeah that's what we'll be doing today. It's the way so we did a four parter for the stand and that was way you too much. It was too much in the three par for it is because it right and we had to talk about like. It's too much podcast for one book. We don't have three hours of things say about insomnia even if it is nine hundred million pages long also. There's a lot of chapters that are dislike. Men Awoke Man Man saw purple man. Went back to bed. Man could not sleep like hundreds of pages burdette so for sure. I'm still excited for it. Though favorites I read it in and literally one one guy. I sat down at all of it. What's wrong with you? Hey let's move on and needful themes are literary analysis section. So because there's no witness this week we are going to take our damn sweet time. I'm on the teams today. We're GONNA get literary as fuck. Yeah we're also gonNA open discussion for a few minutes like we used to. So yeah it'd be ready to get back to the day. Hey do you wanna go. Should I tell you what. Yeah you go first okay. I'LL GO I. I almost did Stephen I did not confer on this today. We are both busiest. I almost wrote his needful him. So I'm glad I uh-huh ready. Oh all right so this is an argument. For why Raymond Andrew I Andrews Robert is a necessary part of the Gerald's game story Because someone's gotTa die on this hail it may as well be mean so to review before right dive into this argument. Gerald's game is a book in plot which is about a woman escaping confinement from Abed Gerald's game in theme however or is a book about a woman facing her trauma. The plot is so deeply intertwined with the theme. That major events simply can't happen until Jesse confronts her history. I mean they just. They didn't occur without case in point Jesse's idea to D. Glove. Her hand only comes when when she revisits the day of the eclipse because she remembers her father warning her to be careful not to cut herself on the glass. The point is the emotional. The heart of this piece has everything to do with Jesse's internal state in very little to do with her escape which can make the whole Raymond Andrews Jo burt her cereal killer. Things seemed kind of bizarre and extra in a piece that really otherwise doesn't have any fat. Well here's my argument for why that is not excess when we first meet our a j Ak the Space Cowboy Aka Maurice because he speaks at the pump of love Jesse believes him to be the literal manifestation of death at her bedside. There is much internal having in high about this. Good wife obviously wants to ignore it. UFO's all freak out etcetera basically he's described as a monster with some dog like fangs and features. It's very spooky. Cookie got my heart rate. Going the whole nine so yes I do think Raymond Andrews Oberg probably started life. Because Stephen King doesn't outline he just writes as he goes. Jose probably just kind of felt right. There was a shadowy monster in the room with Jesse in the dark of the night but I think he actually serves the larger purpose in therefore deserves disdain. Gained the story right where he is in most horror explaining a thing makes it much less scary. Gerald's game is no exception. Here's the thing. Though in Gerald's game the decreased decreased horror that the protagonist and thus the audience feels is directly related to the experience of coping with trauma. traumas a funny thing. The more you try I to push down the more damage it does when it comes bubbling. Back up to the surface of your life Jesse's entire character. Arc is built around this facet of coping trauma per entire life. She refuses to examine her sexual assault. It's not that she represses it like in library policeman. She knows what happens. And when and is clearly still affected by it on a semi regular basis but she refuses to respect. She doesn't want to see the monster. This is where Robert comes in. He's is a new monster. She believes him at first to be death itself which is fair given that he literally shows her a briefcase full of bones in jewelry which is a very the death toll thing to do. But here's the thing after Jesse escape. She doesn't push her new trauma away. She investigates it interrogates. What she went through and and how to make it right she could have tried to convince herself that there was never a man in the room? But that's not how trauma works and it's not how she goes about it either. Instead said she leans in. She learns about the man in the room. Is he horrible. Of course she was left to die by serial killer. That's a scary reality to live in. But it's a much less scary reality than death literally appearing to you with a briefcase made of human skin. Basically Joe Bear allows allows Jesse to show not tell how she's changed. Its why story ends up with her spitting in his face. He doesn't just represent death he also represents the concrete concrete are that's pretty much wrapped to say the rest are great. I think I got that point bras. I think you have to point across I. I like it. I didn't love that. I could have done without it but I I don't hate. It is important for me to say Stephen Stephen. I have both used the word monster like because it comes up in the book We are not going with Akron learmont. Yes yes yes It's it's basically when you get too much growth hormone and it it makes your Limbs and body and face grow and it is not. Yeah Yeah. We're not saying that people with physical disabilities or differences in appearance are inherently monstrous. What is inherently monstrous showing up to someone's bat in the middle of the night cloaked in shadows with a briefcase full of bones and jewelry made of human skin So if you can keep that to a minimum yes like on probably in the clear. Yeah Yeah So. That's yeah it's like the Ted Cassidy who plays Lurch Lurch like Andre the giant either famous people who are also rookie and that kind of people. Yeah and Andre the giant creek human being great. So great was I love that motherfucker. Yeah cool okay. Tony Robbins motivational speaker. His doesn't show up quite as much as everybody else's but then but then Wayne is that yes thank you for clarifying. That's a really important point in obviously physical Difference does not make you monstrous. Yes check check good. Glad got their let you want to do some free form. I do wonder yours to mine perform all right. I'm down with that. Pull pull out my timer. Three two one go puritanism conservativism and good old bloody bloody atom a horror perspective by Phoenix. Crockett my major points today. Is that horror and especially king horror. Often rails against Puritan Puritan values while at the same time presenting conservative views on sex and deviation from the norm for those that don't now America was started did by the puritans a group of religious zealots who were so conservative and so against sex and fund that they were run out of England and had to come here. I'm not joking. That's how what happened. These people did the Salem witch trials. They are no joke anyways. A lot of horror in love crafts. New England will present the Anti I anti puritanism which Stephen King does this by making Mrs Carmody antagonised in the midst et Cetera. But at the same time alternative thinking partying and especially sexuality is always punished in horror and is always punished in Stephen King who gets eaten by the fucking Lake Monster? The kids making out in their seventy nine Ford Fiesta. The couple who left for a little rumpus in the woods though get it killed in shot. I made these examples up but let's not even get started about how LGBT LGBT people who have sex end up in horror stories. It's not good good Gerald's game is just like that. A simple common game becomes the worst horror of a woman's life. This isn't a criticism in any way of the story or a criticism my it treats sex. That's just one of the basis of horror sex is punished. Also the book makes several digs a hippies and free love and and surely the movement ended mostly the lot of disillusioned. People had a lot of people getting hurt. The whole thing didn't work out very well now did it but The policeman of those comments gave some parts of a Gerald's game a GRANDPA vibe which is just coming from this conservative view of sexuality The book is is a modern an artful portrayal of various sexual assault related items but when it comes to good old fashioned bump and uglies there's an a lick of it in a whole piece that was on purpose which artistically make sense as well as proves my point we also see the return of the phrase old Adam describe primal ideas especially religious or sexual? All of this comes from America's puritan roots. We are the most afraid of sex as a group. It's also will pay too much to ask a novelist noblest to write a normal healthy sex scene with some good old fashioned media Sam or the sub has all the power and there's plenty of communication after care. That's not even a thing that can happen. The C fifty shades of grey But these punishments here were harsh. And it's just one thing that's always gonna come up in any discussion of horror is how you will. If you have sex you'll get pregnant. I basically To quote mean girls. Some of these stories make less sense outside. Tide of America because other people aren't terrified of sexuality as Americans. Are there bubis on German TV like. There's a lot of things that you can point to that make this a specifically Kley American thing The least of all or most of all being are very basis in puritanism seconds thirty seconds. But that's all I got Texas punished. All right cool. I'm just gonNA stop the timer. Let's chat career The only thing that I have a disagreement It is the idea that punishment of sexuality is inherent to horror. I think it's certainly a trope that recurs a lot in American horror And you could probably even say like defines specifically American horror but it I think it's a which to go further than that? If I make sense I mean I think you're right. I think that I do challenge anyone. One and you to show me a healthy regular sex scene re both characters end up fine in any horror piece in any culture so so yes I I mean I know I exist Kathy. Yeah I hear you. I think that part of the problem is is that horror isn't necessarily interested in exploring healthiness True you lay the same thing about yet. You don't see healthy lawn mowing and sex like in horror like because it's not you do not see healthy lawn mowing insects. Unless you're incredibly adventurous. In which can wait. Wait wait pause. Pause pause pause. That's what I call a riding MOWER A. That's a stupid joke I've ever made on this podcast Do you want to talk about something. Hockey's points talking point. Oh Christ I. This is the smartest dumb thing we've ever done in the dumbest smart thing for them right What do you think about the symbolism of the girl in the stocks to explain Blaine before he answers there's a recurring image in Jesse's mind of a girl in old time old fashioned stocks in the town square? What do you think about it? Yeah I mean to me it seems like a pretty clear image about shame in about Specifically the shame uh of feeling at fault for your own sexual assault. Why do you think he put it in there? Why I think I think that it's a useful image and I think that it's a lot more impactful to have this medieval form of torture? Like be what you think of. When you think of shame as opposed to just having the words on the page and she felt ashamed like you need that extra punch specifically civically ashamed symbol at descript or an image? Yeah I think so I think sow what do you think yeah. I think you're right. I also think that it it. It lends to my Puritan vibe that I was trying to talk about it does it's a very medieval form of punishment vary research talks in sixteen hundreds America for sure So that's what I sort of thought of Let's do let's do the three next to what was your favorite symbol or motif in his piece really hard to say. I appreciated the image of the eclipse as the the thing that just overtakes and otherwise bright sunny day or life makes said Allen and dark and different and then is gone and then you're just like what the fuck happened. I think that was my favorite recur. Nine China's too. I had never seen in clips used so good or so creatively does he is being such an important event in everyone's life who's ever witnessed one. Yeah now yeah. I thought there's the whole sentence though you know for her. The eclipse never ended. That's like such a Gut Punch of a line. Only thought OUGHTA that gives you put that in there. Five Times Alia High Fives himself at the computer. Big Chunky Mac. He's writing on the typewriter. That's ninety two now yacht. I think he was still on the typewriter word processor processor yet. Yeah I probably got a Mac like ninety nine or two thousand that crazy too right. It's really wild. Okay so I wanNA talk about Ed Geene and Henry Lee Lucas Adenoid. Do these names lots of you listeners. Certainly do and knew I was going to bring it up so this. Tell me. Tell me about these people all serial real killers in Stephen King's work that would be fucking. Serial killers are real or based heavily on real. People are guy is seventy five percent sent at Union twenty-five percent Henry Lucas. Ed Geene was a schizophrenic Did Not neither. These people had acrobatically. That was added schizophrenic. Local Dum dum who I was GonNa say you can cut it out if you want to cut it out. He killed people dug up bodies and made we unholy elite. Jesus I just bleeped out all of that with like any sound that I could find i. You're going to get like nature. Sounds answer something google it you sick fuck. I don't want to be a page yet. So it's clearly mostly had gained thing saying sir. Hey whoa more noises. And then Henry Lucas was adrift or killer At around the same time. So yeah. It's just interesting how Stephen King is like. There's already good stories. I don't need the other. I don't need make up stories so anyways I wanted to bring that up. Yeah it's funny. I always find it hard. Talk to you about true crime stuff because I just don't see the appeal like I need my horrid be fictional personally my existence so basically I mean I I yeah I'm intimately involved active cases like yeah no I know I I'm aware and I I try not to be judgmental about it but it's just like I don't know man I find it very strange but I appreciate the information because I would not know it. Otherwise inside become from both sides. Yes I agree. Hey let's go to battle of the books entering the ring for small novels novellas. Good good novellas. Good you know good Nevada. Good it I'd say a clean a good clean record a solid. You know laying leaders banger. The rest of them you know. Pretty Good Mangueira Come on Gerald's game is one hundred. Ninety seven percent better than the best parts of course was so fucking loved. Lancashire's yeah yes but it wasn't you know what Gerald's game is. Let me describe it for you. May I please. He's taking me there. I remember when I K- you're GONNA laugh but I'm dead serious right way. Listen now hey. Don't don't worry I won't laugh at you Phoenix. I would never I remember when I saw the first time. John Mayer play on Dave Letterman. Dammit I don't like John Mayer but that's not true. He's played slow dancing in a burning room and there are some peaks that everyone remembers. I mean goodman layers. It anywhere in the world will tell you that that solo was important and the Solos he did mean and something but every time his fingers touched the strings something beautiful rang out. And that's what it felt like reading Gerald's game where every in line was just just like what. Yeah look I mean the short narrow of it is that like this book kept me up at night. Books have not done that it to me before this book made me almost faint. This book got my heart rate going. I put down this novel for the last. Two thirds is a bit I read a third of it and then I had a day off and I was like I'm just going to do it. I can't put it down like this. I think is top top top tier asked here Stephen King like just I. I don't even know it's playing playing. Four dimensional chess. You know it. There's now there's no comparison. I don't know four dimensional chess or John Mayer on David. Letterman isn't earlier crash. You're right yeah you're right. Let's say two recommended readings so minds obvious. And if you try to think of one before you heard the episode you knew what I was gonNA say in Iraq at a rock and a hard place by Aaron Ralston which was made into a James Franklin movie called one hundred and twenty seven hours much better title much better Taito. Aw Way. Better to. Aaron Ralston is an amazing person and not a good writer and it really really really brave. A wonderful human being does good work and also. I don't like his book but it's just like Gerald's game. It's just like it. He kind of he gets trashed by a giant boulder while he's canyoning meaning he is an experienced hiker and he has to make the decision to saw off his arm. And you hear a WOMP. That's me hitting the ground. Did you have you not seen one hundred twenty seven hours. We haven't seen. Why would I seek out one hundred and twenty seven hours? When I can't get my blood drawn we're going to have to do that for the Patriots? islay Oh yeah all right well This movie is supposedly so close to the truth. It might as well be a documentary blah blah. Block your turn now. This is a really tough call. Obviously if you haven't read misery yet that's my recommended reading but that doesn't count because it's misery and Mississippi became podcast. We've already done it so instead for some good trapped in one place horror with a feminist bent I am going to recommend men the yellow wallpaper by Charlotte Perkins Gilman. It's another story about a woman trapped by a literal and metaphorical act of misogyny. And it's a Damn American classic. y'All I mean I know most of us In Phoenix my generation had to read this for a school like at some point it made it into the public school like curriculum. Go back and reread it. s a good scare even heard of it. What I'm actually going to take your recommended reading? We read the awakening instead which is very different American class. Feminism so yeah so basically. It's about a woman who is diagnosed with hysteria and is given given the resting cure and has to go to a countryside place and she trusts her husband her doctor. That it's all gonna work out just fine but there's something up with the wallpaper wallpaper in the room where she's supposed to be resting it's ugly and she thinks there might be something. Moving in it often L. soundbite it is so good. I think it's time to believe it. I got there. I got forty DOT MI scooped. It read it's all right here I will start with. You can tell Phoenix where these Ground one little well known to reclaim case. From twelve years ago in Michigan that mimics Gerald's game a woman handcuffed her husband to the bed and left him there to die he. He escaped by doing a partial somersault embracing his legs against the chains which broke the seemingly. He also suicide death and a very good dog assumedly he did similarly they also call him Maurice because he speaks of the puppeteers this little prayer. Do your second one before I lose my mind so our boy stephen is in the news. This week Oh Boy yes he is even the Academy Adamy. Which is the Group of people that decides what movies when the Oscars the biggest American award show because award show in the world really And he said he would quote never considered diversity matters of art going on to say that diversity representation weren't important he later backtracked. I have no common say less. Controversial things are will stop calling Stephen. Start Calling GRANDPA Steve yet take that bestselling novel is Stephen King. Yeah yeah but also so like this always blows my mind when people say stuff like this. Because I know that he doesn't truly believe that that's true. Of course. Representation is important in art. Would we're like obviously. He's really knows this when he's missing is that no one's asking him to choose a person because they're black and not because Thurgood. He's they're asking him to recognize that he might have an inherent bias against the Actor of a diverse group of people. it is not white then and to overcome that and recognize. Who's truly best right? I'm not I'm not making that up right. No I think that's about right. Let's leave it there and say our thank. Yous thank you to Monica Jen for doing our posters. Thanks Daniel Software Social Media Competition. Thank you to Michaela Fishman for doing graphic design which appears both in our album art. And on our T. shirts thank you try mentor. Tony Mattis rally. Thank you to the Stephen and Tabitha King Foundation for all of your charitable work especially in the state of man and thank Yous Stephen and thank you Phoenix and thanks to the listenership we love. y'All we'll be back next week with a in two weeks with Doris Chris Claiborne. We're GONNA do it all in one go yet. Next week will be releasing our extended which went on the movie which I hear is quite good and Phoenix. You've already watched it. Yes many times. Yes oh I can't wait. I'm sure it's GonNa be great and I won't find it all by by Yeah absolutely going to Feign.

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Episode 47 - Dreamcatcher

The Stephen King Boo! Club

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Episode 47 - Dreamcatcher

"Content morning, general violence, and Gore violence related to Abraham, and suicide. No bounce no play. It's the Stephen King Boo club. Things that were. In this book, I, did like. Sure to submit for the record, your honor that Phoenix does not speak for me on that Count Dream Catcher Stephen King tried to recapture the magic. Okay. While simultaneously making up for this Shit House rat. Club. I'm Steven Anderson now. And I'm Phoenix Crockett and this week we are reading dream catcher published in two thousand and one. Phoenix I would like to task you with the unenviable job of summing this bad boy. Would you like to take us to the main points? I'll do my best. Four friends live in middle Maine between dairy and tr ninety. Jerry Jones E. Jones a history professor at a local college. At the beginning of the book, He is severely injured after being hit by a car. He walked into traffic because he saw a vision, his developmentally disabled friend, Douglas Dutt's cabal calling out to him. Pete Moore is an alcoholic can one of Jones's best friends? Henry Devlin works as a psychiatrist and has been planning suicide. BEAVER is a car salesman and has many terrible relationships. The the former children they saved a boy with down syndrome it's from statistical BOOLEAN. Since then all four men have had magical powers, the power of my reading seeing lines that lead them towards logic or locations, suggestion and foresight. Every November, the crew goes on a hunting trip for a week. This year upon return they plan to visit. It's. While hunting in a snowstorm, Josie finds a man in the woods who claims to have been lost for several days. He is disoriented and some of the smells he produces are suspect. Jones, E. and beaver put him to bed at the company's cabin and when they go outside, they notice hundreds of small reddish animals migrating in one direction. Henry and are on the back the cabin when they encounter a woman in the Road Henry squares flipping the vehicle. Pete. Breaks his leg and the woman is clearly very disoriented murmuring about lights and exhibiting foul smelling flatulence adverts. Henry Tells Pete to stay with her in a shed while Henry, goes for help. BEAVER flags down a helicopter and Colonel Abraham. Kurtz tells him that the entire area is under quarantine. Returning to the cabin even Jones e finance they had originally found in the woods dead on the toilet, the bathroom covered in blood. Creature exits toilet and attacks, and kills beaver who Said's Jones E. BY fending it off. Back in dairy is shown crying to his mother about beavers death, which he supernatural senses. As it. Turns. Out Indestructible. Virus Slash parasite that causes large red worms called viral also known as Ripley hasn't affected the animals, the man, the woman and many other. The worms looked like land pre and when they infect a host or ultimately infect moss and Lichen at a small way, don't worry about it. The imbue the host with telepathic powers in which they can contact other infected people. The narrative now connects to the Margaret conspiracy theory that the greys Array Superintendent and Supernatural powerful aliens peacefully enter Earth every few decades. In this story they are massacred by the military and everyone who would have been impacted by their parasite virus hybrid is killed. The story shifts back to Pete left woman. He had helped get the beer from the car. When he returns she has been killed by the Byrom and the Byrom affects him after he burns one to death. Henry makes it back to town and finds that Jones has been taken over by the reader the grades Mr Gray. Henry. Tries to help but is captured and quarantined by the army. In a flashback crew are all children again and they used their powers to find a girl lost in awhile. Back in your present Jones E. Battles. Mr. Gray with in his mind locking away certain thoughts and memories. Mr Gray Kills Pete with a fungus parasite, the real the terminology changes throughout after Pete, leads him to dairy. Henry Convinces underhill a disgruntled army officer to help him using telepathy and suggestion they evoke right in quarantine to prisoners in many die the rest escape into the woods Colonel Kurtz pursues. Jones hides memories of dairy in its current state leading Mister Grade to consider infecting Gary's water supply via the standpipe which was actually destroyed years earlier he also convinces Mr Gray that he's hungry and must eat or not be able to continue buying time. Henry Finds Dutt it's in dairy already to go help fight the aliens but also dying of leukemia. Henry Confront Mr Gray as he is infecting the water supply through a totally different method. Jones's trapped ego and Henry Psychology fight and kill Mr Gray in a psychedelic inter psychic battle and dies from contributing all of his psychic. Power. Kurt finds underhill and they are both killed in the ensuing struggle. The last Living Byrom escapes from underhill then dies in the fires that surround the psychic and physical battlefields. Full Arcnord structure. So this is a miscellany a- segment. I just want to another we just a plot synopsis but. This. What makes no god Damn Sense. I'm just GONNA. Hit Just one thing real quick the whole this. Okay. This book is just the Tommy knockers, but for the new millennium, that's all this book is it's it were the Tommy. Knockers was one book hastily stapled to a second book in the second half. This book is three distinct books which have all been kind of slipshod. Sewn together, I'll human centipede. So I heard is a hunting horror story. Second third is a tirade against the military. The third third is a chase sequence wherein they tried to an alien from infecting off Massachusetts water supply any questions from the Class A. Listening to that last part about infecting the water supply while listening to Taylor swift's new album folklore to date this podcast. and. The two ideas are deeply linked in my mind the solid card again. So, you can imagine how psychically confused I. Am this book was Tommy Locker, knockers level of insanity but ultimately, not that good I would say even a worse book. Did Not. Love it either. It is not not worthy read because it has so much going on you just WanNa watch the train wreck we're talking here about disability themes, aliens, military stuff government conspiracies, suicide love everything in between. Yeah Yeah Man. I will say that approximately none of those themes were done while. I would say the government conspiracy one comes out on top as being like. assessable and I'm going to explain myself later we we each have our own pet themes for this one. So I think the military is really where this one shines but. I'm also a Pinko Communist fucks now. So, this was kings forty fourth novel. So he had a lot of practice writing novels up to this novel. I'd point that out. Well Okay but you know. You can't Batta thousand right like you're always gonNa have one or two. It was also his getting back to it like he wrote it in cursive the at working title was cancer in all caps. He was just trying to like re-teach himself quick last point here in the miscellaneous section for me now handed over. Jeffrey Domon read the audiobook which we both listened to the bang-up job bang-up job, and he is the actor who has appeared in the most Stephen King adaptations excluding king himself. He's in the messed Green Mile Storm of the century. He's the prosecuting attorney and Astray Shank redemption. Nice. Yeah. Man I. Think I guess it's my turn to say something kind of controversial here. I ended up enjoying this book for the beautiful garbage fire in my backyard that it was this book is. As we talked about definitely the spiritual successor to the Tommy Knockers in that. Was it deeply problematic? Yeah. While Renton. Kind of and maybe. Maybe maybe are the characters completely unbelievable and contrived why? Yes. Yes they are. Would I recommend it to a friend? Absolutely not does that make it a bad book? Yeah probably elected anyways. Your honor, the defense rests case no further witnesses. All right. I think we should take it over to sweet screams are best of section. So. There's this is one of those ones. Where there's not a lot that I wanNA show you. Go pick out your parts and show him to me is a couple of short things I have a lot more than you have. Do you want me to lead us and then hopefully you can rediscover some of the joy of Dream Catcher why? Why don't you? I'm GonNa Bring you to like this book over the course of this podcast. That's my new goal I. START US off with a real low ball. This isn't specific quote because this happens throughout the duration of the book, but it worked for me pretty much every time. There's some really well done gross-out body horror in this book, which translates really well to the movie which talk about in a little bit the people who suffer from having the alien parasite slash virus slash fungus in their body. which are colloquially the military calls the shit weasels. A good book They pass a lot of gas that smells like ethyl alcohol specifically. And that's to me the kind of surreal nightmare detail that I actually do think adds a lot of flavor to an existing horror trope. Way that that made me feel like Aliens Ryan. That's like, okay that's unnatural but it's so specific that you're like I could see that being the thing you notice. When your dream is during turn. Sour. What is like Fuckin-? Car Like defrosting fluid and the alien jumps out and you're like any wakeup I also love how Stephen King always tackles excrement. Because that really is. What would happen if an alien virus infected you it would go straight to the human digestion like he's not afraid to deal with the fact that human digestion is a huge part of your day and would be the first thing to be affected. If there was like a major world problem, you know, yeah man I I appreciate his gross-out this book so much like. Gross, out Horror Comex from the fifties like this is definitely like Euler aliens from outer space or whatever. The whole thing is straight out of like weird tales that where the Roswell story got broken. Yeah. Actually think that's a good transition to the first short quote here I thought this was a good low emotional quote. It's pulpy. It's so I love it. It's so pulpy. If, you're not American. We have a phrase called same shit different day, which means on continuing to do the activities. You know that I'm doing there are less than pleasant and I'm okay with us. So here it is. Same. Shit Different Day he thinks. But now the joy is gone and the status back the sadness that feels like something deserved the price of some not quite forgotten betrayal. Sadness that feels like something deserved as amount books lyric for share. Absolutely listened to that John. Neal. So my second one actually is really close to that in the narrative. Yeah. and goes more towards the thinking about how the bodies effectiveness. Ecology. The body is either stupid or Wise but in either case is baird the terrible witchery of thought, it only knows how to stand its ground and fight until it can fight no more. Yeah cool. One it really relates to Hor. He's had that in his back pocket for a while and through that into this narrative. Because you little spice for flavor for sure. So, there's no way for me to start explaining this next one without. Having. I haven't looked. Exactly, which one, hundred, hundred, zero, there's a sequence where character hides from alien in their own memory palace inside of their brain. Like Harry Potter and clemency you were yeah. Yeah. Like that or like in any other number of stupid things that have tried to pull off this concept but didn't 'cause it's a dumb concept. So he's hiding in a room in his mind. From, an alien and the alien is. Trying to. Warm him out. He's trying to convince him to come on come on out and. Nothing bad will happen I promise. I, read the ahead. Star. Good So I think this is actually a really good quote for kind of summing up how King. Deals with aliens thematically throughout his his books. All of them I would say anybody that deals with an alien. This is a really decent quit. There's no necessity for this suffering Jones. See us for what we are not invaders but saviors buddies. War Famine ethnic cleansing killing for peace massacring the heathen for Jesus homosexual people beaten to death bugs in bottles. The bottles sitting on top of missiles. The missiles trained on every city in the world. Come on Jones a compared to type for anthrax what the little bias between friends. Jesus Christ Bananas, you'll be dead and fifty years anyway. This is good. Relax and enjoy it. High Theory Independence Day via very independence day super campy But also there's this the magic thing that Stephen King always does where he ties aliens to. Okay, I can't get into this. Does yeah but he he ties aliens to this kind of. Slash expansionist. Even like fascist thought of like you know we are the inevitable higher technology thing that's going to wipe you out and the fact that the aliens are in essence saying you'll greet us like liberators in the year two thousand and one is not a coincidence. So that's my take on. itchy. Man You have one dishonorable mentioned before we move on don't Ya I do So, in this memory palace room, his mental safe place. This room is the back room of like an abandoned building where he and his other friends as kids thought that there might be a picture of the homecoming queen flashing her vagina like pinup style. And That's that's the thing. That's the thing that he links onto. That's. Think that I, never got this come from who sue it's so bizarre it's this group of middle scores that are like we're going to go see the prom queens buddy or whatever. Did did someone take the picture did shake this is not I feel like this I feel like Stephen King thinks this is a more universal experience. Hope Stacy's bare muff is in their. Start in his so weird and like. Yeah. So I just had a couple of books. There's always one weird vagina thing. Always one thing. There was a really bad couple of regulators even off writing the word Vagina word amazing. Okay Hey let's this is a great time to transition to segment that we had previously only applied to. Book we're calling it. Everyone's a critic. So sometimes the good reads. Reviews, yeah we're just reviews around. We've we've called them from a few places. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get him from youtube or we'll get him from something. are hilarious and we find that out in Kuhn's joke episode for April Fools. Day I would just like to go through a couple these let's ping pong on my guy. I would like to open real quick with the the only line in the wikipedia article. Before, like in the opening before it starts in the next part, which is In Two thousand fourteen king told rolling stone that I don't like dream catcher very much. stated. The book was written under the influence of Oxycontin. So. When you pour how many pages was this book this book six, hundred, Eighty, six, hundred, eighty, nine pages you pour into a book and you get to the end of it and you rewrite it a few times and publish it, and you look back on it and you're like. That was the oxy's talking. All right. So. From good grades now great from good rates. This poor anxious reviewer reading. This book was quite hard I'm still not sure if I'm okay with giving it three stars because it had so many good characters, parts and flat twist. One part of me feels like giving a five stars but then again, some parts it left me feeling miserable. And asking myself if I was ever going to finish it. So because of that the other part of me thinks it really on deserves to stars. So I, guess I'll just have to settle and give it three three point three stars. But still I don't think I've ever wished that good reads had a half star system as much as I do now. IBM Now you captured it good review. Here's here's another one by a guy who looks very. Well, he might one of our listeners so. Why you ready let's get this over with. With Green Catcher Stephen King tried to recapture the magic of it while simultaneously making up for that should house wrap that was the Tommy. He attempted this feet while recovering from a horrible accident wherein he was turned into a mixture of a speed bump and a pretzel. More but. Few. Dro-. Goddamn? Okay here's one I've got good news and bad news. The good news is dream catcher is not just a rehash of it. The bad news is there's a rehash of the time knockers to, which is perhaps my favorite while kings works. Yeah. I mean, it's inevitable that you're gonNA compare this book to dominators. So. We'll get the movie next week. But the I watched the movie on Youtube and this was the top comment on is probably still a top comment you go look. Mother of Jesus Lord in the King of all earth. For years I have found and found and found nothing just to realize is right in front of my nose I found it guys I found the movie after over ten years. That's the top three. Now, that's the top comment. That's the dude was made happiest by this movie. I think we should take it over to the web where we connect this book to the rest of the Stephen King Universe. Off Buddy. All right. So this book is because it's a dairy book it's deeply connected to it, but it's it's connected to it in like kind of a lot of ways. So the standpipe plays as we touched on kind of a major role, the alien tries to go there I to disperse the Byrom and when they get there, obviously the standpipe is gone and he can't spread the Byrom but there is a plaque dedicated from the losers club. It's the first time that we really know that they kept an eye on dairy after they disbanded. I, don't it feel I feel like that's contradictory to what they said in it but whatever it in well, remember the the plaque was created by the adults right after eighty five events. So like probably did Mike Survive. Probably. Did the plaque yeah. Basically reads to all the children that were lost that day and in dairy general but bad ass alert. There's graffiti over top of it that reads pennywise live switches super creepy and has made its way into other adaptations as well. pennywise lives kind of became. A resonant sentence that pops up all over the place it will be dark tower. You're gonNA see it again. I I found textual evidence Stephen Okafor a thing that I proclaimed in in a script that Stephen wanted to make sure I was one hundred percent Crock I did not catch this and I was like that can't be true. So there is a brief line. Do you have a physical or do you have the Audio Book I have the Audio Book case there is a line in chapter eight by the audiobook I says four minutes nineteen seconds. Where it's just a very, very brief description of the events that happened in dairy like I. Think it's like fifteen words in it says that there was a serial killer dressed as a clown. WHO killed all those kids which means that in the Stephen. King Universe. They believed that the serial killer was never caught and a separate entity from the storm that destroyed the city which puts an entirely new edge on dairy especially since there's a real, any real life is a real serial killer to dress like a clown pogo the clown John. Wayne. See who they're probably connecting here is a lot. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting that there was at least some knowledge of a clown that carried through and that we get to see kind of the vestiges of that is interesting. Not Thought of that. You have some connections to the dark tower as well. Yeah. We're GONNA get to the dark tower. Okay guys. So we have a whole plan September and October. It's going to be dark tower leading up to our second anniversary episodes. But just real quick the number nineteen and its significance in the Stephen King. Verse Gets Really Solidified in the dark tower part of it comes from an essay called Nineteen, very famous that we've covered before. But the number nineteen comes up all the time in his book. There's a number, there's a fifty percent chance the numbers nineteen. Also, there's the phrase lost a stone arose unfounded dealer. That's straight from the dark tower verse Lots of little names like Dearborn Street or messing up her name in calling someone hen read. These are all from the DT universities earn all from things that come up later hell yeah. Are I think that we should rounded out to the mid show? All right everyone. So smash set scribe button. Take out your podcasting APP. 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If you want to help us clean up are you are hell and be able to? Afford a wickes account that isn't free head on over to our patriotic and where we have a bunch of bonus content, we just released one recently on scary stories to tell in the dark So if that's something you're interested in feel free to drop on over there and just for a few bucks a month you can help us keep the service running as it were and make the rest of this program. I. Think That's everything we have the mid roll. What do you think? Yeah we sure didn't write a musical for this one Gi hell no absolutely not not time. No Way I think that is everything we're taking it to off writing. There was a few things that were off in this book that I didn't like. So Phoenix a much better handle on this general issue than I do. So I would love it if you could kind of lead me through what it is that really did not work in this writing. Does this book have some weird stuff about women? It sure does is there an undertone in? About Native Americans you could make that argument, but we really WANNA talk about here is a presentation of Down Syndrome. This could have been a story of cool representation. There could have spent a character with down syndrome with his boys and like that just had that on and it was just like a human being was a character. Part of representation is accuracy I. Think I qualify that because that is a whole heavy sentence for me to drop into this podcast and I know I'll get emails about it. But part of our presentation is accuracy and done. It's his symptoms are not really all that similar to down syndrome. He also falls within the trope of magical disabled person which we've covered before in the regulators you can just have a person with developmental delay that doesn't also have magical powers you could argue. That the reason for this is Stephen King is thinking okay well. Children have the shining. People with down, syndrome has been average mental age of eight or nine, and so are more likely to have the shining. Sure. The problem lies within the idea that people who are say on the autism spectrum or have any other kind of. Disability that causes them to present. Different Way. That those people are inherently different. Than people we would kind of classify as neuro typical right. The idea that these people are fundamentally not. Capital you us. That's the problem yet. You're exactly right. It's the US. Then them thing neuro atypical people are okay with being different but not not one of us you know. So there's also an intersection of disabilities here. Dutt. It's has down syndrome and leukemia and how that affects the psychology of families is. Strangely, well, presented. Like it's pretty honest and good. I wanted to come at S K for always Equating Down Syndrome leukemia in this book till I cracked a textbook turns out extremely co Morbid these two conditions and definitely affects families in exactly the way that he describes so. Glad I. Think it's just telling that Stephen King is fairly excellent putting himself in the shoes of people who are related to or have close relationships with people who are not neuro typical. But. Does not extend the same care or courtesy to people who are again just human beings with a different way of being kind of put together. you know doesn't doesn't extend that. Right. Also, why does the disabled person always have to sacrifice caught? Right? There's a lot of good. Literature on like Golam from Lord of the Rings. The height of disabled person troops hat. There is you can. You can look it up on Google scholar. But that idea of the ultimate sacrifice it happens in the regulators to. By the disabled person in the group, I understand where that kind of like heroism comes from like they're still at their at their deepest core they're they're a high human or whatever. It totally totally makes sense until you across time, we'll get lots of different kinds of media and realized that it's always the the. Disabled persons sacrificing themselves. So yeah implication being over time as pieces of media, Stack up and tropes pyo onto each other. It becomes the role of that person to make themselves less in the most extreme way possible which is. Sacrificing their life. Exactly and I'm not attacking Stephen King as an author for not having an absolutely perfect unproblematic representation of a person with trisomy twenty one this was the era of the movie radio that's where we were at in our our collective media thought now. Doc. Problem. Or media. Thank you said. You said I don't understand what you're saying. Okay. So the twenty th we're talking about twenty years ago in the American thought and media thought about disabilities radio is a feel good movie about a developmentally delayed. Black. Man. Who they allow to help out with the local football team and his town kind of starts to deal with things, right? Okay. So I did not know that movie existed. So I am now on the same page. Great but you know about forrest gump. Sure Act. Same. Era. Forrest gump idea of the disabled person and that the ultimate sacrifice that he makes in Vietnam he doesn't die but always saving people that kind of thing Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk just briefly if you don't mind about trisomy twenty one just to make sure everyone's on the same page I love that. So it's chromosomal disorder all called. Down Syndrome or Down's syndrome. That messes with the twenty-first chromosome. You've got a whole bunch of 'em. twenty-first one doesn't form. This causes mainly delays in growth that result in short stature and distinctive facial features. There's no guessing if a person's affected by trisomy twenty, one because of the facial features lack of growth. Individuals with down syndrome have an average I Q of fifty. That's slightly lower than forrest gump of, but they're testable. Intelligence actually varies widely from nonverbal to within normal range. So that just means that to our knowledge it you know having Down Syndrome not in view any magical powers first of all, but you can't really assume a lot about people with Down's syndrome. It's a really widely varying condition. That's kind of the the more you know abound. Glad you covered that because I legitimately did not know that the the range of testable intelligence was. So I have only ever really met a few people with Down Syndrome in my life and all admit like I group them together pretty swiftly and I am glad to now know that. So thank you. You got at my man what I think we should do was that I think we should go to needful themes are literary analysis section. So here we are in the needful themes section I am doing something titled Extraterrestrials and Their Unique Effect on the American psyche. Well, Stephen is doing who knows what he's doing. Who wants to go first doesn't matter to me doesn't matter to you. Doesn't matter to me. All right. Why don't you go first let me pull out the timer for our first time listeners We would talk about this deep cut nonsense all day. So we have instituted a strict foreman, a time limit on literary analysis Phoenix I am ready to go. Are you ready. Sure. Three two, one go. He has ready to hear like years and years of US studying about the conspiracy thought in four minutes. I this book has so much about aliens. and. If you aren't super well acquainted with America's relationship with extraterrestrials I am here to help. Opposed thirty five percent of Americans for the aliens have contacted Earth around one percent. Believe they have been personally interacted with by aliens. Compared to way smaller numbers in. Every other. country. It's a unique thing. Part of this comes from American exceptionalism and the need to be special but it also comes from our government constantly doing like tests. Nuclear tests and writing documents and tests about aliens and generally believing that they should be ready for first contact. The United States government thinks that there are aliens. Not Independence Day I contacted something more psychic something regal. To cover the broad strokes, there are two ways of thinking about aliens. As if they are real, there's that there's the one way which is the real intangible in most often that you can have sex with them, read literature and making that up. Or? They are psychic inter dimensional projections onto your psyche. They're just they're like like a projector. Everything I say next is covered by both of those contexts you can see it either field of thought depending on how you perceive extraterrestrials stuff to begin with. For example, let's start with UFO's Stephen. King didn't come up with the idea the UFO. Communities in America are huge and growing. You might not know the Stephen but that fucking guy from blink one, eighty two literally just proved with videos and supporting documents signed acknowledged by the United States Navy that several unidentified flying objects throughout the past decade cannot be accounted for by physics or logic. That just happened. How does it sure would like to submit for the record your honor that I do not I have not done the research on that. So Phoenix is not speak for me on that account. I though time your time how does this show up in literature? It's always always always linked to government mistrust. The idea that the government is lying to us about real big stuff. Now, of course, that's true. But is it aliens? Than not believe area fifty, one, a military base in Nevada contains proof of alien life or at least something very suspicious. Again, fear of the unknown fear of the government keeping secrets in our book, the use the UFO in government conspiracy citizens is like one of the main plots US government seclude. The CIA has conducted numerous real life investigations based on files. You can access right now into extraterrestrial touchdown on earth and the fact those documents were only relate released after every person involved was dead heightened the American fear about transparency. I'm skimming the surface here folks. Let's talk about gray's s que did not make up. It's one of the most commonly believed folklore concepts in US alien thought. grazer supposedly tall grey humanoids with strange behavior who were extremely psychically powerful. They are according to the folklore beings that have had conversations with Eisenhower about technology exchange and then impregnated if you choice American ladies and I've been touching down on earth for one reason or another all the time thirty seconds what. We talking about Roswell I was to talk about David Choose Barney Hill. Okay. So The grazer believed to have crashed in Roswell New Mexico, which is a really interesting case and to have abducted Betty and Barney Hill, which is an interesting case of psychology and race in. America, all of the stuff Stephen King wrote comes from somewhere. It comes from books by David Ike who said that Obama can unzip his human suit and as a humanoid reptilian crazy people like that. Steven. You gotTa need forums with green text on a black bag. Super. Don't my man I'm good. How it he? It's very interesting how the folklore was built through books in through the Internet and now real to so many. Americans yeah. I mean. We just do not have the time to talk about conspiracy culture in America, but like the fact that I read this book and didn't need to be caught up on anything for every single word to make sense tells you how how deep in our collective subconscious this stuff is. Exactly that was going to be my last sentence. So. Here's my question Phoenix and we can be we can be vulnerable on this podcast. Yes. Do you believe that area fifty one is hiding alien information or did so at any point in time? No. Okay me neither but I do believe that if the government knew. About aliens they would not tell US interesting. I. Don't know if that's good or bad idea. My. Whole thing is like I do feel that we'd have far fewer conspiracies floating around if our government didn't keep quite so many secrets conspiracy thought thrives in the holes between available information. Did you come up with. I said it. It's a very common idea that I put in my own words because s some quotable shades of my dude. Don't make great still. Nice. I WanNa talk about the military. Great also were conspiracy thought thrives good. Lord. Dilemma. No, when we already. Got It up rate. Now let's take it down in five. Four. Three. Two one. Let's talk about this book. As a war book. We've been harping this episode all the time about how there's like ten thousand things going on in this book and a lot of them are super disjointed. My hot take. This week is the framing framing dream Catcher as a book about war and especially looking at American military campaigns makes a lot of those themes come together in a slightly more coherent way things in this book started off pretty much removed from themes of warfare we got introduced to the four main characters, get some character motivation stuff out of the way and just generally put up a bunch of Domino's to get knocked down later. Jones believe. Pete. Henry. meet up in the Maine Woods. Go hunting deer get hammered and be a bunch of old buddies together. They don't know it but they're entering a quarantined area. The viral is actually an invading alien force. The first real military imagery that we get in Dream Catcher is the helicopter looming down over the cabin telling the men to hang tight. Now, I'm not going to get to pretentious with this and dive into the specific image of helicopters in the Vietnam. War. But every major cultural work about the Vietnam War heavily features looming helicopters. This is where things to take a sharp turn and we start getting the perspective of Colonel Kurtz and his black. OPS Platoon. Now. It turns out that the US military has secretly conducting military campaigns against aliens specifically all over the world violating other nation sovereignty and taking lots and lots of necessary civilian casualties. The platoons loyalty is not so much to the American government as it is do Kurtz himself. Kurtz doesn't really care who gets killed as long as the aliens are wiped off the map. Now, this is where the war themes get a little bit on comfy Kurtz and his men do the most Vietnam War thing possible by jumping into their helicopters flying over the dense forest and gunning down dozens of people in this case, aliens while blasting sympathy for the devil by the rolling stones. A pretty cut and dry allegory complete with anticommunist. If we don't stop this, it will spread justifications for straight up or crimes but the thing is though because the people being attacked here are literally invading aliens bent on world domination it becomes really hard to see Kurt and his men as villains. In other words, the aliens in this book are pretty much what people were afraid that communism would become instead of CFO became mongering though the threat is very real because of this king has to specify that the Terry has also rounded up the Americans in the area and is planning on massacring than to because there can be no witnesses to the campaign. Thus, we can still hate Kurtz, because he represents all the worst aspects of the American military unbridled unconcerned with human rights and more than willing to kill random citizens to stay out of personal trouble. King goes on to describe kind of refugee camp where American citizens are sitting around in stunned fear. What the fuck was that. That was means that have clicking my garage band clicking the Doesn't matter a story on facebook had the thing minimize. Claiming on my planning my time your honor. This is a clear violation. He's presiding. Type. Right here we go. So the idea is that Americans are sitting around confused and stunned because they are unable to conceive of the idea that their own military might present a threat to them. Now, in concept I, Kinda liked this idea because it looks at how Americans hold a that could never happen here mentality again, tying it back to American exceptionalism again though it's undercut by the very real threat of the world just straight up ending. So it's only at this point king shows his hand with a twist that. Quite frankly doesn't get enough room to breathe turns out that the virus if treated medically instead of militarily will more or less Peter out on its own. So this is where we get kings actual worldview on American warfare If we take Kurtz as a symbol of American military excesses, which is pretty blatant in this book, King is essentially saying that there's lots of better ways that we could deal with this in regards to the threat of aliens might also communism hope that clears things up. Can! I can I just throw one more thing in here that I love Your Holy. Shit. Okay. Stephen. King. Writes a little everything's okay. Don't even worry about it speech for real life. President George W Bush and it happened well before George W. Bush did his mission accomplished Snafu so like NO-SHIRT AMAS who you know, I? mean. All. Right. So for non-americans, we have a lot of them. Yes. Incomprehension. W Bush. He was the president. He made a speech that was very much a don't worry about it speech that actually was talking about a forever that is disrupted the economies of. Many many countries for decades. And his everything's Okay speech in the book is eerily similar even though it predated that speech by like years. Allot. For years. All right. So this is where we would take it to our movie adaptation section which. Which one do I shoot? But we are doing a special double feature. So we'll be watching this movie adaptation, of Dream Catcher, which is something along with the movie that so clearly inspired. So much of this book alien So look for that next week in the meantime, let's take it to battle the books. Golly. Where we're talking about which book was better this book book before it now, we've forgotten to do this. For like a few episodes. So just to catch things that girl who loved Tom Gordon Verses. On writing on writing went yeah we're GONNA grading. Yes but they're very different books and you said girl who loved Tom Gordon was like one of the favorite books ever ready Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah for sure but it's nowhere near as deep or personally important to me. So I'm biased I think on writing wins that fight me too and now it's on writing a book we both thought was fine. So, on writing versus Dream Catcher, which one's better Golly Gee. Oh, boy what a decision. Does it. Make me go need to read the Bible so On writing makes me feel active joy this book. Made me feel. Just me just made me feel you know may certainly did I did feel couldn't tell you what I felt but I sure did feel do not feel. So obviously, battle bugs wins it ring the Bell Let's get out of here and take it two recommended readings. Recommended readings. My recommended reading for today is the curious case of the dog in the night. I'm recommending both the novel and the play, but mostly the novel, the One Marquette. An. It's not about developmental disabilities, but it's still somehow tackles them expertly, it's also a fun and unique mystery. Yeah for my theater people out there what's up represent this play if you haven't read it, you probably should because it's one of the most produced pieces of theatre. Kind of in the last five years, it's one of the big ones. So check it out of Vaber. I am going to recommend two things one if you haven't read the timing offers. and. You want your brain to Mel Reading Tommy. Knockers directly after Reading Dream CATCHER DO THAT REPORT BACK TO US Tell us how it goes to check out episode four, hundred of the podcast Chopin which is just one of the. Oh. Gee. Horror podcasts. The short story being presented that episode is called the screw fly solution, which is a tremendous short story that is about, alien. Invasion it's also about like misogyny. And it's just so stupid good and so scary if you want like actual good hetty. Invasion horror. That's a great episode episode four, hundred of Pseudo pod. All right, let's take to coup. Joe. Believe it our fun facts corner. All lead us off here just as a reminder as to how just horrific the accident was in Stephen King's life. Here's a short list of the injuries that he recovering from while writing this book. A collapsed right lung multiple fractures of his right leg scalp laceration and of course, a broken hip. Now, PHOENIX I don't have none of those things and I ain't written shit. So like any one of those things is a huge deal. Would like take a long time to heal from and would affect your life forever yeah. So we gave this book a lot of crap but also like good Lord, Stephen King is the Terminator of mass market. Fiction. I like that. Okay. So mine is I got bored the other day. And to do some math. Which heard if you stacked up all Stephen King's bestsellers that we are going to cover in hardback if originally published that way and in paperback if not, the stack would be exactly to the inch as tall as Stephen Standing on Phoenix's shoulders without shoes. Goddamn Madman, isn't no one ever told you that. I would like to thank. For doing our posters like Vaca-, or fishermen graphic design Bryan Burnett for being our archivist. And with that, our entire patriotic community for support in the program. Monetarily. Tony, Magistrelli, and Michael, blue in for their continuing support in the academic world. Of course the Stephen and Tabitha King. Foundation for the charitable work they are doing in the state of Maine. And Use Stephen Oh, and you Phoenix, and of course you dear listener. Thank you for listening. Next week will be talking about the movie adaptation, which is. Boy You know they nailed in that it is also somethin-. This is real. So. Watch. that. Watch the movie alien is. unparalleled. masterpiece join US next week for talks here then.

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Episode 46 - On Writing

The Stephen King Boo! Club

1:17:13 hr | 6 months ago

Episode 46 - On Writing

"The road to hell is paved with adverbs. It's the Stephen King Boo club. Kidding me stall out in existential dread over what we're doing here. Hey, timing, we did not plan this never we never. Can I make excuses now? Excuses. Would love to make some excuse excuse. I'm Steven. Inter, SAECO and I'm Phoenix Crockett and this week. We are reading writing a memoir of the craft published in two thousand. And Two K. everyone we made it here. We are today we are going to do full dark, no structure at the top. So, this is going to be a weird one. We are not sticking to our structure this time and we love structure baby love structure for any first time Westerners we usually start with kind of like a semi produced plot synopsis that we put together for the show and. This whole thing and there's no plot synopsis for this one. Because there's no plot it's it's a pretty. Kind of odd combination of memoir, and then writing tips and tricks in craft notes, and then kind of post about. Well. Do you WanNa talk about the accident? We're in the new. Year it's two. Thousand were out of the nineties. Y2K did not happen. For those of you that don't know in nineteen. Ninety nine Stephen King got hit by a van and almost died. It was an accident that nobody was really at fault. He reconstructed his leg news in a hospital bed in for a really long time, and needed pain reds, and it was this whole thing, and he wasn't sure if he was going to write again. So coming back into it, he's like I am going to write about writing. And he said that it saved his writing career to just kind of like. Step back and do some reflection time before moving forward with a bunch of other awesome books will be presenting to you. this summer and fall so yeah, we're glad he. You know yeah, absolutely well and I think that anyone who's had a serious injury or even an injury. That could have been serious. Can empathize with the feeling of being kind of on this precipice. You know where a lot of things need to change and can it can look. It can look Harry for a bit at some point during the last. Couple of months before covert I had a back injury on the job, and for those that are regular listeners. You'll know that. I worked as a freelance technician in theater, which means a lot of going up and down ladders, and you can't have a back injury as a technician in theater, every single job is dependent on being able to lift certain amount of weight, and there ended up being fine. I didn't have any serious long-term injuries, but there was a period of time rose like Maybe my entire life has to change. Yeah and that's that's a powerful thing to engage with. I. Identify with you in that store I mean I was there for that story I. I was Your Life Story. And identified with Stephen King and this Neither of US have been hurt like this When I was in middle school, I had a a C. to fracture which is essentially breaking your neck and a traumatic brain injury when I was skiing. And I I understand that process of of thinking is life ever going to be the same my going to recover its He Pari, and he was in bed for I was dead, for I was in like a in bed rest for a month. He was in bed for six months. Can you imagine the psychological witcher? God Yes so it's it's a powerful book. If you're a Stephen King Fan, I think he threads really interesting needle with it at we'll move onto our best of section in a little bit, but I do want to just say because there are few things that don't fit anywhere else in this one is about the book itself, which is that it threads this needle where it is. If you're a Stephen King's superfan, the memoirs are brilliant. If you're not a huge. Stephen King Fan, but you're interested in writing the writing craft notes can be very very strong and if you are interested in like kind of weirdly structured books, this is a weirdly structured book. This book shouldn't really work, but it does. so that's kind of the my my. Pitch on a more personal note. This book I was. This is not the first time I've read this book I was introduced to it at a very vulnerable time in my life right after I graduated from college and the edition I'm reading has been signed. It was a gift by one of my closest economic advisers shoutouts to the one and only professor Angeline Choo shunned lumber. will throw some like air horns. To the program, but she deserves it. Does I mostly care if. Professor Xu were. Also Happy Twentieth Anniversary on writing. Oh. Yeah, it's crazy. We are like right on the anniversary. Yes, there's actually a new edition of it coming out shortly, it might even be out pretty much at the time of are dropping this episode out five days after. Wow Hey. Look at timing. We did not plan this. We never we never. We don't Plan Shit About Shit? Think recruited if I'm wrong, but there's going to be a few extra. Pieces of there's going to be. There's going to be a new afterward. There's going to be some notes on family. Life is going to be so much that so we'll probably check that I'll probably buy it I'm a sucker for that. Let's talk about what's closest to the plot of this fix. It would be so good if you could just bring me through the biography of Stephen King. King opens with the memory of when he was very young. He disturbs a wasp's nest in a cinderblock, then drops the block on his foot much to his grandfather's worry. Relates, many other stories of growing up poor and putting having his eardrums puncture to drainage infections and. Speaker, paying their rent and of being sat opponent. Locked in the closet by his babysitter. His mother describes a dead body to him, and he is fascinated by the markup the first time. His father walkout when he was very young, and so his mother worked hard to provide his probably with the basics they lived in poverty. They were often displaced and picked up by s case grandparents. Teen Years King started writing was praised by his peers and teachers just by overall if conduct. His brother shot started a newsletter called Dave's rack that was wildly popular king us earnings to see horror films, and by paperbacks influenced his work. In College at you IMO, King Meta, beautiful young poet named Tabitha an English class. They started dating and eventually got married in a modest procedure, eventually settling in the Richard Camden area. taught high school when she worked shift to Dunkin. Donuts in the summers you'd work janitor and a laundromat. Struggled to make ends meet, and when they started having kids poverty group. Far Scarier. Kings still wrote in his free time than at one point produce a story about scores. He trashed it in a fit of self doubt but Tabitha Safety. That story was carry, and all in one phone call King Ranch. He went to the store and bought his wife fanciest thing he could think of a hairdryer. As King's career progressed clear day job, and they've bought a lovely home in the bank where area. His. Children moved on to be successful. Including to successful writers, and his wife also writes wonderful novels. The remainder of the piece focuses on how to succeed in writing. There's little in the way of grammar rules excluding a rant against adverbs, as king leaves that destroyed white. He. Mostly suggests having disciplined. And a consistent writing environment and believing in oneself. All right, let's take it too sweet screams our best of section. I forgot to tell you Steven Wilson as apparently now going to be episode. was that rate before I texted you like hey, arenas throughout the episode. I had to battle a wasp's nest in the backyard Oh. My God did the man. It was pretty harrowing and also wasps Stephen King. wasps all over the place in Stephen. King the Shining Tom Gordon. We can't get into it this book this book. We can't do it. So I'm going to start with my quota. That's okay. Yeah, do you WANNA bet back and forth, or do you WanNa? Go Ping Pong it. Let's do it you first, so there's so many good one liners. In this book in the one that I think is the most quoted Stephen King perhaps the most quoted Stephen King quote ever is when he talks about reading, and how reads in the in the Line of the post office? He reads the bank. He's like he was paper booking paper back in his back pocket. You know yes, as books are uniquely portable magic. You've seen that on tattoos, you've. Jade. This is Dan next to wizards. Absolutely can I just say that wizards airbrushed onto the sides of vans are also uniquely portable magic. A STUPID JOKE! Hey, I would like to do a quote. That's Matt important to me. Life isn't a support system for art. It's the other way around. Oh Phoenix I love this quote I love. This cool wrote having worked in theatre. There's this pernicious myth that somehow like art is the thing you suffer for No. In my experience and I guess also in the experience of Stephen King shoutouts. Healthy artists make a better and be a lot of art. For me like. I started doing my own kind of creative writing deal. During a really depressing lonely summer rose working like to craft jobs and didn't have any friends and whatever. And I didn't make good writing. During that period I just needed to right absolutely. Yeah I mean it's different for everyone in. It's you know a person's emotions in strong emotions can definitely help me help. Relieve you then. Okay, but yeah, this thing is separate for you're right I. I liked the idea. Are being, the support system. Yet I also had that highlighted of course, but I have entire book highlighted, so let's say. My book is Neon Green Mostly Yeah Oh. Yeah, so here's one. It's the actual thing I took from on writing input to my writing more than anything else I have more than more of a hard time than anyone. Cutting out those good lines, those good paragraphs that bunched. You worked hard to say that just doesn't fit. You don't need. Those are called your darlings. And, he says kill your darlings. Darlings kill your darlings even when it breaks your ego centric scribblers heart. Kill your darlings that means give up on the cutesy stuff that you wrote. The does not make any sense. Be Willing to knicks things. You liked. Yeah, that's a huge one I really love the EGO centric. Little scribblers heart every every writer. There's a certain amount of ego that you need to have to believe that your words will be worth something in the Sea of words that exist in the world and. Ego multipliers having a podcast about writing Oh. Yeah, Dude, we. Almost ego you have to. Start with the idea that someone wants to listen to me. Talk about writing. that. Good Lord What about Your Tattoo? Tell me about your. Okay, you could hear me stall out in existentialist. Dread over what we're doing here, I. This quote is worth the whole ordeal. I read this quote and I read it aloud, and I tweeted about it and then I read it aloud to another person. I was built with a love of the night and the unquiet coffin. PHOENIX. Get Real with you. For Tonight Hey. Could be vulnerable in this space career honey. This made me feel things like I. I read that quote and I was like that it so. Perfectly encapsulates the kind of natural. Almost innate. Love that I feel for horror and for. Things that aren't you know things that are dark. Event? You know that that can be hard to explain to people. The people who aren't horror people can have this kind of side I. Four Horror. People 'cause. They're like what's wrong with that person. There's nothing wrong with me. I was built with a love of the night, the UNQUIET coffin. That's all there is to it. Steven if you want that tattooed on you as like a like a tasteful ankle or wrist cuff I will absolutely pay for it. Yeah I got it. Really think about it a might. We'll see. We'll see right now i. can't for obvious reasons but. Wow I mean you. Shops are open, but well you don't want to. You don't want to be safe anyway. Helping us out of this. Yeah, I got a couple of here Real quick I've spent a good many years since too many I think being ashamed about what I right. I think I was forty before I realized that almost every writer of fiction or pause who has ever published a line has been accused by someone of wasting his or her given talent. If you right or painter dancers called passing I suppose. Some will try to make you feel lousy about it. That's all. All, right all right the idea of anyone who's been doing anything than accused of wasting their God given talent Stephen. You and I were GT kids. We we! We've gotten this sentiment before. that. All of his really sentimental, sappy crap that were presenting us right now, but this book is super sentimental, and it's super apologetically. Sentimental which I appreciate. There's so much irony and. Lake. Yield good book for people that don't read feel good books like he would miss well. It's so much easier to make like Hashtag content about things that are negative. It's the whole you know critics. The most readership you can get as a critic pan the hell out of something, and this is not a critical book, and the second the second best thing you can get ver- content is empty positively. Nothing to back it up. This book is unabashedly positive, and it backs up every step of the way with with good logic in good writing and good stories end Yep Yep, big agree. I got one more thing here. This is the one of the only parts of pieces of actual writing advice. This, but he makes me so God. Damn Mad! Go ahead and read this quote. I like to get ten pages a day, which amounts to two thousand words. That's one hundred eighty thousand words over a three month span, a goodish length through a book something in which the reader can get happily lost. The tail is done well and stays right. So for those of you who haven't tried writing yet? I would encourage you to try writing and if you try writing ten pages a day, You'RE GONNA cry. If I if I had eight hours. For seven days in a row I could write ten pages a day for seven days I don't think I could do i. think that the well would run dry like imus I must slow particular writer, and that just in Stephen, King's defense, he writes the different writers have different pieces. In that, that's fine. He like there's you can't write the number of bestselling books. nevermind books period. That's even king has written if your brain isn't just a broken word spigot. Absolutely yeah that you know. How many of those pages get cut? Like right I could do that. I could do the MBA's the endless spigot. Of ideas and information, but like nine of them wouldn't be usable. All right I think you should take into the mid show. Yeah, we're going to the midshow way early which will touch upon in a moment? We got a lot of stuff in the back half year, so stick with us. So, hello, everybody, we have a twitter. Go follow it. We have a facebook. Go like we have an instagram. To follow instagram. Email us at Stephen King Boo Club at g mail. Dot, com and join Stevens newly minted fans at sultry more at St, full, ninety, six, such absolutely, not a thing. But, please do look up that username because if it does exist your. Party. Hey y'all. We had a big Ole influx of listeners lately. Thank you for joining us. This is one of your first episodes. Welcome. You picked a weird one. If you're enjoying the program, take him on to subscribe wherever you are listening If you want to support US monetarily, we do have a Patriae on We understand that time to tough can't support is monetarily. That is super fine. If you like what you're hearing, go ahead and just share it with someone. Check out our back catalogue y'All. Hey, we've been around long enough that we can say. Check out our back. Catalogue Phoenix Did it occur to you that we have a back catalog. 'cause like I didn't realize until this week. Occurred to you that were closing in on thousand a hundred publications on our feed so Goddamn, weird and almost fifty main episodes super strange super. Strength. Hey. I'm spiraling into an existential crisis. Do you want to take it to a one minute musical that? I wrote for this. Me a one minute musical. You didn't tell me you were writing the one minute musical not only did I write you a one minute musical it a sea shanty. One C Shanti. Shanti. Executives a pirate drinking song because. The the Lion I was built with a love of the unquiet coffin has kind of vaguely but added. Tara kind of did. It I did I also can't. It's it's orchestrated with samples from. Hormone Eum, single, violin, and Tuba and also like a heartbeat newest. Let's just let's go to it. How `bout that how `Bout we do that? was with. An UNQUIET The De What can I say? I come here often fly with this Lauro's and rise. To. Shirley and Stoker Henry and Jackson King feels. The whole suite hardens driven. trapezes Torrance and Carter Courtiers Wall. Several talk down. Come, hell or high water that storm anise century carries. Draw Missouri's. We see terror and. Quiet coffins who call out on. Hey y'all, so we're doing no needful themes this week. This is. Past Stephan. We are recording this episode over a series of weeks because we are doing an audit writing guided short story workshop, so here's what you're going to hear in order I. You're going to hear the first drafts of some short stories that we wrote for these Andy Goal here is to follow the on writing formula for two drafts and a clean up. So I. You'll hear my thing the new here. Phoenix's thing that'll be the first draft after that will go to a conversation effort, Britain, our second drafts where Phoenix and I critique each other's work. And then after that we have brought on some special guests to narrate the final product so technically we should not be displaying these first. Stephen King says. You know first rafters. For you alone, it's not ready to see the light of day yet, but because we're masochists where going to. Show you these pieces of writing it or read them on the air. You people so Phoenix. How do you? How do you feel about reading? Something incredibly incomplete I think I better junk been before I chicken out. The uninvited guest. Of Paranormal thought I fall firmly into the class of it exists. It is not concerned with me. I am after all quite boring. I moved from Lancashire to south. China Maine United States when I was nine much to the amusement of my classmates who had never heard of foreign accent before many families in Maine could not afford radio in nineteen thirty. I was less amused partly because of the stark differences between a town of eight thousand and a town of eight hundred, and partly because of the and big you, he regarding why we left in the first place, my father went to work in Manchester. We rarely heard from him again, though he and my mother never officially divorced, my mother chose the job of assistant manager at acquaint e to recalled the China Dina presumably spelled phonetically to imitate the local dialect. As an only child I spent most of my afternoons and weekends exploring the dense woods behind the Dinah sometimes inviting along the neighbor girl Angela. I seem to recall that. One of our favorite activities was chasing slugs these slugs, if my brain serves me well, leave behind trails of bright orange, mucus, which would stain one's fingers and clothes beyond all washing much to our mother's distaste. Such was the hue of this substance. That I had decided sometime after college that I had made up the entire enterprise. It has now been more than thirty years. Memories get so muddled that parsing out. The veritable from offensive is a fool's chore. Did I released spend entire days following the traffic comb colored criss crossing trails of slugs with a girl whose hair was the same color. Probably, not, I supposed until a recent vacation with my wife. In range remain proved me wrong. On our final day, I went outside to find several orange trails on my wife's corvair. And after I captured and imprisoned the culprits, an onslaught of memories about the slugs assaulted my consciousness. I am still unsure about the existence of Angela, but she is not an celery to this tale, and so her ghost fades into forever. After, assuring my wife that she was safe from pesky mollusks, she left in a car to get coffee and muffins. We muffin family. bagels are for beaten Knicks. My mother would say. I opened one of several reference texts. I brought on this vacation. New England and logical analyses. The slugs are apparently native to Europe and exist in China and New England under what one Mellon colleges called suspicious circumstances. I cannot imagine that begrudged. Englishman purposely spread florescent slug to states and provinces. He most disliked, but I suppose stranger. Things have happened. Motivated by my new validated childhood reminiscences I, followed one of the thicker trails into the woods behind our rented cabin. The brush was thick and wet with do, but I was already wearing ready clothes, so I pressed on ducking under thorny branches, and lifting my heels high over tick invested grass. A twig cut my chin a bit and Iraq jumped out of nowhere and bit my ankle, growing frustration I continued fourth, no longer following any trail, but determined to find habitable spot in these woods that I paid nearly four hundred dollars a night for. The trees grew taller. It seemed than the grass's darker, the Maine Woods or strange like that they become wilderness much sooner than other woods. My sweat was sticky against my jacket, so I took it off, and hung it on Bush, knowing I'd be back the same way. It is easy enough to follow one's own Bush whacking. The farther I went, the faster traveled propelled by nothing or looking back perhaps by something. My socks slipped down to the walls of my feet, and I did not sop to fix them. I burp one of my more boring peccadilloes and indicator of anxiety. I tasted. LOBSTER and spirits made from distills Bruce main you and your delicacies. I'm miraculously picked up the slug trail again. The orange snot spilled in perfect straight line over trampled grass and brush over Pine Nettles, and over a fallen birch the color egregious against the birches off white. The trail was much thicker than I figured the slug could be and I did not know that they had enough weight to plow over grass. Perhaps they travel in packs that I have not encountered before, or perhaps they travel when they make like frogs one on top of the other. I am not a scientist. A smell that was not my known drifted about it was wet and rotten like a swamp. The had a Tang to it as if someone had replaced the swamp water with Orange Soda. Interested to lay eyes on such a swamp by starch, delight, jog pushing away the spruce balsam branches, and when necessary waiting chess steepen fauna, sometimes stopping to search for the trail, so far had I gone, surely no more than a quarter mile, but farther than I might. On a different day a strange strange mood had overtaken me, and I was not perfectly sure that I liked it. One, hundred more meters. I promised myself after that I would turn back. Purpose was on its way. My wife would wonder where I'd gone off to. One hundred meters turned into three, and then five smell was so thick now that I choked it. Then Burke again I wiped sweat for my is my hairline like a hydrant punky kids knocked the cap off. I started to run questioning only for the briefest moment why I'm not thin or fit I run in the woods for pleasure. As dot tire though the trail grew greater and I learned to know what the massive slugs looked like my interest beyond emitter curiosity. I bet it could be a site a real spectacle something to tell my wife about to call my mom, and tell her about a reason to look up, Angela and tell her about. Without a broken stick! Were there that many slugs without much mass? Thorny Bush caught my forearm and tore a few bits of flesh off, but no matter I needed to see the slugs. I am not normally obsessive, but sometimes a man gets occupied. The trees thinned-out in after a minute I was putting on the brakes clearing, which was populated only with short grass and white flowers, the grass and flowers had been weighted down by an inch thick layer of neon blue. This must be there gathering place. Hundreds of slugs crawled around the clearing. I tied into my abdominal muscles against any medic reflex as the smell truly overtook my senses. I had made a mistake coming all the way in here like this, the slugs, reminding their own business and I was not I looked around for the best route, but couldn't quite remember where I'd come in or perhaps I was just too overwhelmed by the stench. With my panic growing in my mind is cloudy as ever. Come out to the forest ahead of me and shrieked and surprise and dismay. A, great dusky slug Arion Fuskus by its Latin name pushed through the bushes. It was larger than a dog, maybe larger than a black bear, and its skin bobbled and stretched an over inflated. Demon from Hell has frozen now all would've -ation drained from my torso and redirected through my legs and into the ground below. The being stopped several feet in front of me and I stared I regurgitated, but did not hitch couldn't even bow, and so the vomit drained unceremoniously from the corners of my mouth. Aryan fiscus began to move I in small jerks that in great waves, as if I had poured a giant bowl of salt onto it. slugs react poorly to salt. Angela had taught me that the slug did not speak. Of course it didn't, but I knew with todd conviction that it's gestures were a dance against the unwelcome, a chiding gesticulation, awaiting finger for a boy who had interrupted. Suddenly imbued with more power than ever in my thirty nine years I turn heel sprinted away could not be sure that I was going in the right direction, but directions weren't important. Branches reached out in stole bigger and bigger pieces of my skin and clothes, blood and tears and sweat and vomit, and probably other substances trailed behind me. I most likely screamed between sobs, but I cannot remember time distorted, and I was unsure. If I had run for a few seconds over half an hour, I slowed momentum with great effort, when I saw a flash of blue to my left, my abandoned jacket I had only gone twenty feet off course I, left the jacket and ran towards the house, emerging from the woods in an ungraceful stumble. My wife looked to me with growing is and dropped the two coffees she had been holding. In thirty more years I will evaluate whether or not his experience occurred at all. My wife believes that I spooked by a Fisher cat or mounted lion or the like, and she may be right. I certainly didn't tell her about the slug Lord temporary insanity are else brief loose nations are well documented and I need not further defend them. I will however amend my former statement. Please see attached minimum regarding my thoughts on the topic of the paranormal. It exists, and it is not concerned with me. It does not like to be dropped it on. The now. All right, so that was the first draft of Phoenix's story were going to now do our kind of feedback Phoenix. How would you like to hear some of this feedback? You want to start big and then go into more nitpicky as we go through I'd love that, so here's some thoughts by and large. I like the voice work here. You? Have these fun. Little turns of phrase that you work in. Yeah, sometimes man gets occupied or Man You and your delicacies. They add a lot of texture to. Like a relatively simple plot story which I super appreciate. Here's a little bit of constructive. There are some clarity issues going on with when the narrator knows things and how they know things so. For example, it wasn't clear to me why the narrator arrived at the conclusion that he was coming into a large volume of slugs before he showed up at the large volume of slugs. So. There's too great of a logical jump between. There's a bigger trail and now I'm expecting. This create like illogical thing. Right precise way of definitely got some ideas how to shore that up. I do want to do the the ego boost thing and say it is always. A pleasure to read your work. Obviously, Phoenix, and I are good friends, and so we enjoy each other's writing because we can see each other in it, I mean. There's this thing that I really like about Phoenix's work and I've gotten to read a lot of it over time. which is that he has you have a real I WANNA say bouncy. Pros like there's there's kind of a natural. Speech. To it that works and I think works especially while in an audio medium, so thank you for that. In fact, we both did pieces that you could almost argue are meant to be read. Yeah, I think. We knew going into it. That audiences would here. It says it was just more going on with the boys downstairs Stephen King would put. So moving into some granular stuff to bring it back to on writing, you have an adverb in here which we we need to strike outs. No adverbs according to Stephen King, which is funny, because his books are very adverb. Goddamn adverbs, I'm miraculously picked up the slug trail again. Absolutely not get that, Shah. Kill it with fire. It's deleted delays gone. Here's a weird thing. You ended this peace with. Please see the attached Mammo. Washes, the the. It fucks with the internal logic. Yes, as the peace. Yeah, so it doesn't. It starts out in kind of this general I'm going to tell you a story way which means that I think as an audience member. I assumed kind of a broad narrator deal. I didn't think of this as a piece in writing, so it doesn't make sense to have an attached memo unless you establish like. I am writing this right like my dearest Martha, or whatever I thought of it as a cute turn of phrase but it doesn't. It doesn't end up working. Yeah, I I think that maybe. Because what you're doing, there is you're trying to signal to the audience. You're signposting right. This next sentence is important and refers back to at the beginning. So you're trying to book end here. It's highlighting the thesis Yeah Right I think there are other turns of phrases that you could use to do that same thing, so I look forward to the snappy ending to this piece that you come up with for draft three. And I I also do think that. This draft still suffers from. Some excess verbiage. It's hard because I know you're going for kind of thirties era you may actually have noticed also. Yes, a two points on that you may actually of noticed now. Having heard the first speech that knowing that my speech was. That that my writing is going to seem like British literature verbose I actually turned back the clock and made it older in the second draft interest, and make that make sense yet. I was talking to to old tiny some, but one thing that we're gonNA. Find Out stylistically. That's a big difference between the I did not know going into this is. Is I was looking at. We'll get to your piece in a second, but this is important. I was looking at your piece looking for more verbiage I was thinking. Where's the? Where's the occasional purple? You can allow yourself you know what I mean, and so stylistically if we meet not in the middle. Bite like you know ten percents closer to each other's. Versions of things you end up with a more well rounded. Yeah product now there is one more thing I want to tackle here in the discussion, because it is important at your protagonist is someone who originally hails from England, and you are not yourself from England, so talk a little bit about what you did to mitigate some of these first draft. Americana. Voice differences. AB -solutely so it's it's only okay. It's only by grace of the fact that I don't have any British. Friends that I didn't have somebody. Read this to you in a British accent is I wrote it in a British accent? I immediately started my head with a character who talks to me in my head like David, attenborough, in nineteen seventy right I knew that my writing was already leaning that way and was confident. I could. Get it to work the voice to work that way, but I also knew that there were going to be little things the grammatically, but didn't make any sense in British English, so I talked to one of our listeners and one of our patriots subscribers. Who I know is from the UK. Her name's Rama Rama. and She Yeah, basically gave me some pointers about stuff. That wouldn't make sense like Like when I said for example the. The fire hydrant of the punky kids had knocked a cap off right. You might have been waiting for me to say had knocked the cap off of, and she said no British person has ever ended a sentence with a word of yet with with preposition hot, and so we fixed that up and there was other little things like. I changed a word from something else to pesky because it wouldn't have made sense yeah. And so those are things that y'all you. The audience will hear in the third draft that I think yes. Do make a real difference in the flavor of it from draft one exactly cool. Thank you for your feedback. I like it. I will be changing. Those things. God. Bless all right I. IS IT my turn to throw my? First draft out into the world. Shore is I allowed to preface this at all your sure not. Go. Hum. I remember arriving at the Party and taking off my shoes. I had gum in my purse to afterwards, so mom wouldn't know I've been drinking. It was a Friday. We're going to graduate soon. I remember hearing the Bang. I thought it was a transformer blowing outside i. seen that before you know. But the sound was so. Big. It was like the house had been struck by lightning. I was playing a game at the time. Seventh Heaven. It was me and another in the closet. Her name was emily. We were stuck there for seven minutes on a dare. Her dare. I remember seeing the flash of light under the door and emily opening the door I remember her gasping and then swinging the door, shut and her screaming into my shoulder. then. My memory goes blank. It's like someone tore out the page and burned it. I thank God they did. The next thing I remember is emily asking. Do you think it's still out there? Her hand was in mine. My arm was around her waist. We were holding each other. There was an acidic smell in the air like gunsmoke may be mixed with the cloying, sweet sharp Tang of adolescent spray deodorant. And Urine. To This Day I. Think about that night when I smell urine Amoy had pissed herself. I don't think she ever knew. Stephanie. Do. You think it's still out there. She asked. I didn't stay. Anything just hushed her SH. Like an angry librarian! Do you know about libraries? Good. That's one of the things I want people to remember. So yes, I trust her. I just needed her to stop for one moment to stop, so I could think. The. Screaming had died down. That was a good thing. It's hard to hear your friends scream like that hearing is the wrong word for it. I think you feel scream when it's that close. When it's someone you know from elementary school someone he went to Prom with. Emily was trembling. Sorry, she said, but do you think it is? I, said I thought so I wouldn't be. We didn't know anything about them back then. You didn't know how they hunted. Now it's practically the first thing you're taught, but we had no way of knowing. Emily she was wearing some kind of perfume, pomegranate, something or other. I was too poor to afford anything like that. It might have saved my life. Funny how everything changed like that? All the money in the world could save the rich kids out there outside the closet. I remember we stayed in there for a long time. The music was still blaring, looking back. That was a small mercy. Have you heard them when they eat? Cod. I envy you. People always talk about the way you can hear. The bones break snap like twigs, which is true. I never understand why no one talks about that awful sucking sound. Maybe. It's too gruesome I. Don't know. I pray you never have to hear it for yourself. I couldn't look at Emily knowing that she pissed herself. She was weeping. Her whole body was hitching. She was trying to be quiet trying to be still, but she couldn't be. All of our friends were dead. I think we knew that even then we didn't want to know it. But what choice did we have, so? I looked down at the floor instead. There was this little pool of light bleeding through from out there it was pulsing blue, purple, red, yellow, white blue over and over I remember the order of it. One Song lead into the next split into the next, and we sobbed, and the whites turned over. Blue Purple Red Yellow White Blue. God-knows-how-long we were in there. It wasn't hunger or thirst finally convinced us, it was boredom. We had convinced ourselves that there was a normal explanation for everything something mundane, even if it was horrible a shooting maybe. I opened the door and stepped out. There were bodies everywhere. I felt nothing except a deep thirst. I stepped over John It was his party. His parents were cool with it and saw the whole in his back. Were the thing got him? You've seen what it's like. I hate they leave the face. I really do. You can see how much it must hurt. I liked John he was an asshole, but I liked him. Anyway, we all did. I took a red plastic. Cup from next to the sink and fill it. The water still ran for a few weeks. I drank it down in three huge gulps and filled the cup again. Emily was out now screaming and. I drink my water. I refilled my cup. I, drink my water. There's another gap then when I don't understand. I know why I don't remember I. contact but I don't know why. I can't remember the drive. Emily was sober. She didn't like how it tasted, so she drove to the party. We took her car. I know because she told me later. That I slept a lot and when I wasn't sleeping I'd flip through the radio. I know a lot of people remember it from TV or from the radio when they were driving home or whatever and they can tell you all about hat I can't. It's gone from my mind. I, remember getting the car and Emily grabbing my hand and kissing the back of it like we were. cordy had a grand ball. And then I remember the mountains. I think it was the mountains that got me free of the shock. and. We had driven us up to Vermont. In one night. Do you ever seen the sun rise over the mountains I don't mean these rinky-dink little foothills we have here. I mean real mountains. The kind cut jagged lines across the horizon like teeth in some monstrous Ma. I guess that doesn't sound comforting, but it is being able to see. There's things bigger than you is comforting. I? Remember the music. An old blues tune. Emma's dad loved, and I remember the horizon coming to life over those unbelievably huge shapes. I asked where we were in. Emily started crying again. She's always been the more sensitive one. I won't bore you with our time in Vermont. It's the same story you'll hear from lots of first generation folks safety for a few weeks, the politics of it all the grief. Emily's more keen on that part. You can feel free to ask her, but I can't guarantee. She'll be as generous as I am. I'll tell you this though if you really are just passing through all KOC shirt ready to face. What's out in the wastelands? Go find some mountains. Even if you die, which you very well might by the way I won't sugarcoat that. You'll have seen something great. Do yourself a favor to never ask anyone what you asked me tonight. We don't live in that world anymore. Don't you forget it? All Right, okay, can I can I make excuses now? Can I make excuses players, and I would love to make some excuses. No excuse me back. I. Was that your first or second draft? That was my first draft. Okay, and I I have your second graft here in vitamin. Yes, you so you have not heard that for I have not. Version before okay. Yeah, first of all, let me start by saying. This is pretty neat. It's very what I expected out of you. You know it works well as an intro to something like there's clearly more story to be told. Yet here's here's my major thought after hearing you read the first draft, though 'cause I have like my notes on your writing, and whatever, but I have way more note or a big note on your editing process. Your cuts didn't work. They re because I I was reading your story and The second draft, a lot of the turn like the phrasing is better, and the pacing is better, you know. But I had questions all throughout your second draft questions that were answered by sentences that got cut. I'll give you some examples like the idea that you're. Protagonist is a young LGBT woman. Did Yup didn't really get there. Because you had more sentences about it and the stuff about coming over the mountains, and there was just so your second draft is maybe twenty five percent shorter. Yes. which was the goal I wanted? So. I really struggle with like explicit statements of. Here's what's going on, yes. Up happening with that, you might have had been. What's happening with being super explicit in pointed is I wrote that. If I was going to be mean, I would say it comes out sounding like a movie trailer. Because there's almost two little like my biggest point about your writing, which relates right back to that, so we're following a thread here. Is. That the voices super consistent, the tense is super consistent, and the individual grammatical pieces are all perfect. Partially because the entire thing is built out of simple sentences. So. Yes, that was perhaps okay. Interesting, 'cause reading, simple sentence symbol senate's compound set in simple sentence isn't super interesting. The secretaries were you had long and varied stuff that like kind of you know lent itself to reading got. And so the simple sentences don't hold their weight anymore because they're not reflected against some of the longer share what I'm saying sure. Yeah, I think. Would I am the the the thing I'm balancing? Here is I want to portray a person. Who has been traumatized. Yeah and. I. To me. That lends itself to kind of not a monotone, but like if someone's talking about their trauma, they're not going to be like well. It was a windy day in the third of March. The the I'd swayed like so many heads a concert like. And you. Leave that I need to, but I need to balance that Moore's. Definitely balanced there and you've achieved that. It does sound like someone who's genuinely talking about trauma, but I wonder if this wasn't you and I didn't know you. I would have sworn on the Bible. This is a young adult fiction. Piece. Because of the simple pros. And you don't want unless you wanted a young adult fiction piece. You Know How some writers can do that thing where they like. Pick the perfect metaphor out of a hat and you're like. Yes, it's exactly like that. That is magic to me. How people? Listen I feel, and I don't know. Maybe that's insecurity speaking, but. It's it's hard. For me to feel like my. my my metaphor and simile in some of those more extravagant. techniques were longer sentences like you know like a fifty word settings. Yeah but that's all. That's all really good to know that. I have specific questions for you to hear them and we'll get into the nitty gritty. What did you think had happened on his behalf? ZOMBIES? Okay, what? What did have I was going for I was going for win for alias. I thought it could be aliens when you when you wrote first encounter. That was one of the like little dog. Bursting powder doesn't make it into the second draft. Interests yes and so. I Okay I okay second draft. When I read it, I read, it's very clearly zombies they aid is fine. That's fine. Yeah all right. Okay? Okay. I won't tell you because I i. WanNa see if I can fix this third draft. Clearly have a lot of clarity work today, which is fine. I have a very specific idea of how these aliens work and my goal here is to kind of. Like make that clearer because I. think that this will be a more compelling piece if the the dangerous better too I. Agree with that for Shell. It's super super. Tight. This is the my overall. It's super super tight. It is. A little too tight. Interesting you cut worked really well. Cutting the class stuff. Yeah. That was that was him visiting you, WanNa, do it immediately. I. Yeah, that's the thing with I dress. And this is I. Think a difference in how we write the difference. My first draft second draft is extravagant. Second Draft maybe four or five sentences. Yeah and I would encourage you to get more extravagant with your drafting process like really think about what needs to be here. Does this sends need to excess? Yeah, I'm definitely doing life we can. We have a lot to learn for measuring the huge body. Rewrite to make the idea of following a slug truck. Think logistically how big a slug trail is and how you would see in a forest that needs to logically make sense that it's interesting enough that a man ran into the forest to be like with bucks trae Olga. Yeah I kind of. Just a touch on your piece just briefly because we're about to take it back out and then they'll be kind of a time escape, and then you will hear our final version of the stories. My last kind of thing for you Phoenix is that I. Like Midway through the story I was one hundred percent that you convince you are doing some sort of like cosmic horror. Man Goes Insane in the forest story like I. was one hundred percent convinced like I knew he was gonna come across something terrifying, but the the motivation was. So out of left field for me that I was like Oh. There's some sort of cognitive hazard. Going definitely wanted the the slugged to pull him in psychologically. Great! Keep playing you something differ. Should at for share I want I wanted him. Read like member when member in desperation when the wolf stone heavily affects Cynthia. Yes y'all remember listeners, desperation episode Bats what I wanted to read like. Your kind of a canton situation great okay cool so without jabbering on too much longer. You're going to hear shortly a very. Well performed version of this story by not one of US will start with Phoenix's than we'll do mine Yeah, and then I think we will be done with this kind of mega section. Thanks for bearing with us and hopefully enjoy this. Quite different drafting experience sexy. The uninvited guest! On the topic of paranormal thought I fall firmly into the class of it exists, and it is not concerned with me. I am after all quite boring. I moved from Call Lancashire South China. Maine United States when I was nine. Much to the amusement of my classmates who had never heard a foreign accent before. Many families in Maine could not afford radio in nineteen thirty. I was less amused partly because of the stark differences between the town of eight thousand and a town of eight hundred. And partly because the ambiguity regarding why we left in the first place. My father went to work in Manchester and we rarely heard from him, though he and my mother never officially divorced. My mother chose the job of assistant manager at acquaint eatery called the China Dina. Presumably spelled phonetically to imitate the local dialect. As an only child I spent most of my afternoons and weekends exploring the woods behind the Dinah sometimes inviting along the neighbor. Girl Angela. I seem to recall that one of our favorite activities was. slugs! These slugs if my recollection serves me, would leave behind trails bright orange mucus, which would stain one's fingers enclosed beyond all washing much to our mother's distaste. So imaginary was the hugh of this substance that I decided sometimes after college that I had made up the entire interprises. Thirty Years of past and memories get so muddled. Parsing out the veritable from the fanciful is a fool's chore. That, I really spend entire days following the steam carrot colored crisscrossing trails of slugs with a girl whose hair was the same color. Probably not I supposed until a recent vacation with my wife and range sleet main proved me wrong on our final day. I went outside to find several orange trails on my wife's corvair. And after I captured and imprisoned the culprits, an onslaught of memories about the slugs assaulted my consciousness. I'm still unsure about the existence of Angela. But she is not ancillary to this tale, and so her ghost fades into forever. After assuring my wife that she was safe from the Pesky mullets, she left in the car to get coffee and muffins. We are a muffin family. BAGELS are for beat Knicks. My mother would say. I opened one of the several reference text brought on this vacation. New England intimate logical analysis. The slugs are apparently native to Europe and exist in China and new. England, and what one? Malakal just called suspicious circumstances. I cannot imagine that a begrudged. Englishman purposely spread a fluorescent slogged the states and provinces. He disliked. But I suppose stranger. Things have happened. Motivated by newly validated childhood reminiscences I followed. One of the more obvious trails into the woods behind our rented cabin. The brush was thick and wet with doom. But I was already wearing ratty close, so I pressed on. Ducking under thorny branches and lifting my heels over tick, infested grassed, a twig cut my chin. Bit and rock jumped out of nowhere and bit my ankle. Growing frustrated I continued for. No longer following any trail, but determined to find a habitable spot in these woods that I paid nearly two hundred dollars a night for. The trees grew tolerance. And the grass is darker. The Maine. Woods are strange like that. They become wilderness much sooner than other would. My sweat was sticky against my jacket so I took it off and hung it on a Bush. Knowing I'd be back the same way. It's easy enough to follow one's own Bush whacking. The farther I went to the faster I traveled propelled by nothing or looking back perhaps by something. It was as if I could not control my legs, my song slipped down to the balls of my feet, and I did not stop to fix them. I BURP WANNA buy more boring. Indicator of anxiety it tasted lobster spirits made from distilled spruce tips. You and your delicacies. I picked up the slug trail again. The orange snot spilled a more or less straight line over trampled grass and brush over pine nettles over a fallen Birch, the color egregious against the birches off white. I wouldn't expect to be able to follow the trail so long, but it's mild glow made it easy to see against the dark colored fauna. I wondered if the glow was relaxed form of bioluminescence. Or if I only imagined that, it glowed. I'm not a scientist. I kept moving. Rather. My Body did somewhat of its own volition. Smell that was not mine. Own drifted about it was wet and rotten like swamp, but it had a tang to it as if someone had replaced the swamp water with Orange Soda. Interested delay is such a swamp I started a light jog, pushing away the spruce and Balsam branches, and when necessary, wading chest deep in fauna, sometimes stopping to search for the trail. Far Gone. Sure, no more than a quarter mile farther than I might on a different day. Strange strange mood had overtaken me, and I was not perfectly sure that I liked it. One hundred meters. I promised myself after that I would turn back. Breakfast was on its way. My wife would wonder where I'd gone up to. One hundred meters turned into three hundred, then five. The smell was so thick now that I choked a bit, then virk again. I wiped the sweat from. My is my hairline. Let's hydrate with Punky kids not to cap off I started to run questioning only for the briefest moment why? I'm not thin or fit, and I do not run in the woods for pleasure. I did not tire though. Trail pushed on over a large rock through a dense thicket of bramble Bush, and even across a great puddle for the refracted trail, made the surrounding water look orange, a thorny Bush caught my forearm, and tore a few bits of flesh off, but no matter I needed to see the slugs. I'm not normally obsessive, but sometimes man gets occupied. The trees thinned out, and after a minute I was putting on the brakes clearing, which was populated only short grass and white flowers, the grass and flowers had been weighted down by an inch thick layer of neon coup. This must be there gathering place. I looked around and saw hundreds of slugs crawling around the clearing. I tighten my abdominal muscles against medic reflex as the smell truly overtook since. I, had made a mistake. Coming all the way in here like this, the slugs were minding their own business and I was not. I looked around for the best route out, but I couldn't quite remember where I'd come in or perhaps I was just overwhelmed by the stench. Panic. Growing in my mind clouded by fear, it came out of the forest ahead of me and shrieked in surprise and dismay. A great. Slug. Arie on Fuskus by its Latin name pushed through the bushes. It was larger than a dog may be larger than a black bear and skin bubbled and stretched an over inflated. Demon from Hell. was frozen now. All. Drained from my torso in redirected through my legs, and into the ground below the being stopped several feet in front of me and stared. regurgitated, but did not hitch couldn't even bow, and so the vomit drained unceremoniously from the corners of my mouth. Ariane fuskus began to move. I in small jerks than in great waves, as if I had board giant bowl of salt onto. slugs react poorly to Salt Angela had taught me that. The slug did not speak. Of course it didn't. But I knew with total conviction that is gestures were a dance against the unwelcoming, a chiding gesticulation, a wagging for a boy who had interrupted. Suddenly imbued with more power than ever in my thirty nine years. I turned heel and sprinted away. Could not be sure I was fooling in the right direction, but directions weren't important. Branches reached out, and still bigger and bigger pieces of my skin and clothes, blood and tears, and sweat and damage, and probably other substances trailed behind me I. Most likely screamed in between sobs, but I can not remember. Time distorted and I was unsure if I run for a few seconds or a half an hour. Slowed momentum great after saw flash of blue to my left eye abandoned checked. I had been column twenty. Six thousand four. I left a jacket and ran towards the house, emerging from the woods in an ungraceful stumble. My wife looked at me with growing is and drop the two copies you've been holding. In thirty more years. I will evaluate whether or not this experience occurred an all. My wife believes I was spooked by a Fisher cat or a mountain lion, or the like, and she may be right. I certainly didn't tell her about the slut Lord. Temporary Insanity or else brief hallucinations are well documented, and I need not further defend them. I will however amend my former statement regarding my thoughts on the topic of the paranormal it exists. and. It is not concerned with me. And it does not like to be dropped in. unannounced. A. See. You WanNa know about first contact. You want to hear about the fall of Western civilization, the war of the worlds all those golden chariots, just like scripture said. Close that door? Sit down. There was a time when I didn't think there would be people after our generation so. Never Mind, it doesn't matter. The a good boy John Interrupt. And wiped teddy off your face, only going to tell you once. I was out on the east. Coast at the time. Virginia. They came at night. Eighteen a little older than yourself. That was at a party. It was one of those scenes. Using only exists in the movies until you see it for yourself. I guess now. Those things really do only happen in the movies. The house was packed to the Gills with hormonal teenagers doused cheap alcohol. The smell I. Don't mind telling. You was thick with sweat and perfume and bad beer. We're GONNA graduate soon, so the plan was to party all night long. I was playing a game at the time. Called Seventh Heaven. Me and another girl. Emily if you can believe it. We're stuck in a closet for seven minutes together on a dare. Her dare. That's what had happened. I remember hearing a bang. Thought, it was a transformer blowing outside I'd seen before you know. But the sound was so dig. It was like the house had been struck by lightning. I remember emily opening the door and gasping, swinging the door shut in the screening into my shoulder. You feel scream when it's that close. It's like sticking a fork in an outlet. There's this jolt. Your heart stops. Literally your heart stops. You can count the seconds between the beats. In those early days. We heard a lot of screaming. The next thing I remember is emily asking. Do you think they're still out there? Her hand was in mind. My arm was around her waist. I remember even in the confusion enjoying holding her like that. I had wanted to hold her like that for a long time. She asked me again. Do you think they're still out there. I didn't understand what she meant. She whispered something to me about monsters. I thought I'd Miss Harder, but she said it again all the monsters. Do you think the monsters are still out there. She was trembling. We stayed in there a lot longer than seven minutes. I can tell you that. The music was still blaring. Looking back, that was a small mercy. That growth on their faces. If you can call them, faces was a preface like a fly. They pin you down and suck you dry like juice box, muscles and all handgun. It's not a quiet way to die, you know. You can hear the bones breaking from the force of the section. It sounds like someone taking a bundle, dry branches and twisting as hard as they can. At some point I realized emily was weeping. I know she's not much for weeping these days, but all of our friends outside the closet were Ted. I couldn't see her like that. We are both so young. So I. Look Down at the floor and said. There was little pool of light coming in from the party. It was pulsing. Changing colors. Blue Purple. Red. Yellow. White. Then blue again. Over and over. I can still see. How it looked on the carpet. And on our feet. The music played. Emily saw. And the lights turned over. Blue! Purple Red. Yellow. White. Blue. See some types of my dreams. Only in my dreams. We are lucky. Knows how long we were in there. Eventually. We convinced ourselves that there was a normal explanation for everything as people are want to do. I suppose all of this is normal to you. But we weren't prepared for any of it. I opened the door and stepped out I. There were bodies everywhere. I saw John Crumpled up in a heap on the floor. It was his party. His parents were out of town. I saw this whole in his back. Were Autumn. I remember thinking. Where's his spine. There should be a spine there. Where did it go? Where did Sean Spine Go. I liked John. He got into Harvard. We all thought that mattered. That, he was going to go places. Cure, he was. A Husky of skin and hair and clothes. Off like a candy wrapper by side of the road. I stepped over John's body and took a red plastic cup from the pile next to the sink. I found a handle. The vodka filled it. Spilled a little because my hands were shaking. And for an absurd moment. I looked for a towel to clean up my mess. I suppose I. Don't have to tell you that. The mess in the house was beyond cleaning anyways. So I drank instead. Letting dribble down my face like I was a toddler. Emily was out of the closet now to screaming sobbing. In hysterics as the ducks used to say. I on the other hand was dealing with things just fine. I felt my cup again. Was Five o'clock somewhere. That's what my mom used to say. I was pouring myself round three. When emily knocks the drink out of my hand? Was I trying to kill myself. What an excellent question! I believe. I, remember telling you not to interrupt the answer to see you know is between me and whatever made me no hush. The last clear memory I have from that night. Is Emily putting me in her truck? She grabbed my hand and kissed the back of it like we were courtiers at a grand ball. Things get fuzzy again after that. On account of the alcohol. Emily put me in her car and just started driving. I mostly slept. Save for one memorable pitstop where I vomited up a planter so vodka. When I wasn't sleeping, I'd flip through the radio. It was on static. After that it's all pretty much link because my brain stopped recording. I, was in shock. And then I remember the mountains. Emily has driven us all the way from Virginia up to Vermont had lost three whole days. Have you ever seen the sunrise over the mountains. I don't mean these rinky-dink little foothills we have here. I mean real mountains. Behind that cut jagged lines across the horizon like teeth in some titans job. I guess that doesn't sound comforting, but it is. It's nice to see things that are bigger than new. Older than you. I remember hearing music an old blue CD Emily's dad loved. Average at see him again. Then I remember the sun coming up over those unbelievably huge shapes. I asked where we were. Emily started crying again. Tears of joy this time. They were my first words since the party. I won't bore you with our time in Fremont. It's the same story here from lots. Of Us, first generation, folks family politics in grief surviving. Emily's more keen on that part that I am. You can feel free to ask her, but I can't guarantee show blanket. We don't live in that world anymore. I don't know what you came here for asking for stories from an old lady like me. But I can tell you this. There was a time when we weren't taunted. There was a time when we were free. God Willing. There will be a time when we are free again. This is the final and most recent. Steve Coming in to say a huge. Thank you to our readers today. 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