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09/24: The NCAA comes hard after Kansas and Bill Self -- and Self is ready to fight back. Here's what to expect

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09/24: The NCAA comes hard after Kansas and Bill Self -- and Self is ready to fight back. Here's what to expect

"Hey there it's scary. Tuesday September Timber Twenty four two thousand nineteen welcome back to the CBS sports eye on college basketball podcast. We sometimes discuss camel fighting leak. Black Matt Norlander is here with me in the big news from Monday. Come from the Institute of which has charged Kansas with lack of institutional control Antarctic Kansas coach bill self with head coach responsibility violations. Malaysian ended up facing multiple level. One violations in the school has already made it clear that it plans to fight fight fight but undeniably the Jayhawks they they got a real fight on their hands here in simple terms. The incident has labeled Adidas Rip. TJ Gas nola moral code and Jim gadoe and this is not a surprise by the way the label them as representatives of athletics interest and alleged that they worked hand in hand with Bill Sta Bil self in a staff to commit level title one violations most notably in the recruitment of Billy Preston and Silvio to Susa Meantime Kansas appears prepared to basically argue that whatever adidas officials were doing they were doing on their own and without the knowledge of bill self or his staff and they're going to hammer home the fact that Tj Gas Nola one of the Adidas Adidas RABS testified under oath in federal court that bill self knew nothing but the incident play is essentially saying with this notice of allegations that teaching S. Nola lied under oath intimate is saying you knew what he gas. Nola was doing not only that you encourage him to do it so more or less. That's the case. That's what Kansas is up against Norrland. Let's start with this. Let me ask you. How bad is this for Kansas. How bad this bill self for Kansas I think it's pretty bad for self arguing nearly as bad maybe even more so because let's face it. When you've got a case like this an investigation like this forthcoming punishments it sticks to the coach more than it does the school perish. How surprised were you and to bring listeners in here? When when self statement came out we were actually on the phone talking so actually right sell self statement to you as it was released shortly before the game on Monday night actually the timing on that Kansas Hansen similarly. How surprised were you at the length the tone the language everything that bill self op to include obviously with his university signing off on it in going essentially full out attack mode on the light? I was surprised by the link surprised by the tone surprised by the words. I mean you and I both know bill for a long time. Those aren't his worst used the word hey would he I I I'm not saying he doesn't know the word hasn't used it. It's just I was surprised by some of the language there. It didn't sound like bill. That's all I'll say I'm sure he signed off on it. I'm sure it is a reflection of his thoughts but those weren't his words word he and write it. I I guess is what I would say and perhaps something as serious as you wouldn't have your basketball coach writing it without the assistance of somebody in public relations. listen what we've learned in recent years. Is that the best thing you can do. The the the thing people used to say is listen if they gotcha cooperate and then they'll go light on yeah and and yet that doesn't seem to be what the big powerful blue bloods do. We admit nothing and we'll fight you till the end. It is what North Carolina did successfully and it appears that it's it's now what Kansas is going to try to do now. The issues that North Carolina in these cases are very very very different so let's not get them confused the fact that North Carolina fault it one has nothing to do with whether Kansas is going to be able to fight and win but to answer your question in simple terms. I'm I'm not surprised is that Kansas is going to try to fight and that bill is going to try to rely on plausible deniability because the point that Kansas has made aide in a statement that I believe Kansas will will continue to use as a major talking point is this NC Keble. You're alleging that Adidas wraps. Did all of this stuff not that bill self was out there paying. Billy Preston or bill self was out there paying Silvio Desouza or that anybody on our staff was doing those things you've alleged that the Dita's reps were doing these things and we had an adidas rep under oath in Federal Court in Lower Manhattan who testified that Bill Self and his staff did not know what the Adidas Reps were doing unless you're insisting that Tj Gas Nola lied under oath then you have to believe that our coaching staff was not aware if you want to argue they should have been make that argument but you cannot make the argument that our coaching staff is is is what was aware of what the Adidas Reps were doing that. That's going to be the talking point. That's going to be the argument or at least one of the arguments but again like I said at the time the NCWA is essentially saying we we believe that Tj Czestochowa lied under oath which is a pretty remarkable development yeah without a doubt and also that Tj Gas Nola was willing to the share certain opinions states of affairs with bill self over text messages that were divulged in federal court that will not help Kansas or pill selves case this will come down to interpretation it will come down to Kansas's representatives and bill self arguing that that would he replied to in Gas Melissa says and I'm paraphrasing here but when he basically says it's Kansas and bill self everyone else fall in line and bill self is responding about gotta they get some guys and this comes on the heels of Kansas linking up with Adidas et. Cetera et Cetera there was communication back and forth between self and Gas Nola Sola Gastineau by the way dodged prison time recently he will be on supervised release. He is getting that because he was very much so an important cooperating witness for the government a couple of quick things here. GPA and I'll throw it back to you. At first I was surprised by bill selves tone and then I remembered I remembered when Silvio Desouza was initially ruled out for two years and this is what bill self said at the time this was back in February Silvio. Desouza has since obviously been amend the punishment. He sat out all of last season he will play this upcoming season. Bill Self said in my thirty plus years of College College of Coaching College basketball I have never witnessed such a mean spirited and vindictive punishment against the young man who did nothing wrong to take away his opportunity to play College Basketball Escobar shameful and a failure of the Aa you rarely see coaches react like that and that's to the Silvio desouza punishment from seven eight months ago. Now you have this and self is digging in big time to me the parish the statement reflects that self health his attorneys people within Kansas new something. This drastic was probably going to come down. I know they were. I know the university she was anticipating a notice of allegations at some point here in September and now we finally received it but this is setting up for a fascinating battle because of Ah Kansas has ninety days to respond. I think it's GonNa take most if not all of those ninety days to extend the calendar right then the NWF sixty days to respond to Kansas response and from there it will go to the committee on infractions who will review the case bill self the Ad Chancellor and others will go and meet with the Committee on infractions and whatever is punished by the committee on infractions. I don't think we'll know that till probably right near the end or after that season perish and then obviously Kansas will appeal and then if it loses out appeal well. I think there could be a real chance here if bill self received significant punishment. I'm talking half a year a year's worth of suspension postseason ban. Dan Obviously the two thousand eighteen final four is is clearly in jeopardy if Kansas bill self feel as though they have real will president to take to legal matters outside of the answer. I don't think that's impossible and what we have here even though NC state was the first school perish what we have have here is the start of what could be years and years worth of US discussing writing about this because the instability knows does it up against it. It's got to punish these schools. It Salva came up in federal court gas nola provided so much ammo for the AA while at the same time trying to help the government government prove that Kansas was a victim. It's fascinating juxtaposition and so I don't I we are way down the road with this parish but I don't necessarily believe that these cases the school by school will be resolved within the confines of the Instant Double A. If you tell me that multiple schools will end up trying to litigate negate against Hinson overlay. It wouldn't be a surprise but but that'll be some ways down the road well listen. I don't think there's any doubt I guess I shouldn't say there's no doubt like zero percent but I I'd be shocked if Keynes's doesn't have to vacate the two thousand eighteen final four. I mean you know Silvio. desouza was a part of that team. He played in those games. He's amateur status was compromised two bills point no fault of his own. I A- soon soon but you know we talked about this before. IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA hold the people around you know prospects Aquino so you know if you're not gonNA hold a prospect accountable for the people around him will then. You've got a major loophole in in the system in other words. You know what what bill self would argue is that Silvio Desouza did nothing wrong and had no idea that his guardian accepted money from an Adidas representative negative. So why on Earth. Are you punishing Silvio Desouza well if you don't punish Silvio for that will then that that the playbook going forward like every guardian or father author or mother or uncle or aunt or a you coach or high school coach or anybody else can take whatever they want in violation of NCWA the rules and no two things a we're probably not going to get called but but but be if we do get caught I just got to insist insist that I did this and the student athlete knew nothing about it and then the student athlete will be fine well. You can't have a system in place like that to be clear not to go back over subjects that we've discussed at linked on this podcast but I think the world should fundamentally be changed to allow student athletes to accept their fair market value. Whatever ever that is but given that these are the roles you have to follow them and given that these are the rules student athletes have to be held accountable for the people around down in so Silvio Desouza it falls directly under that umbrella his Guardian again basically all parties acknowledge edge accepted money from Adidas Rep and whether or not that is what led to Silvio Sousa enrolling Kansas is up for debate. I know that People Kansas aside. We'll tell you that Sylvia was going to go to Kansas no matter what that the money. TJ Gas Nola gave his Guardian had nothing to do with him enrolling at at Ku the counter argument to that is rooted in common sense if you didn't have to pay Silvio to Susan's guardian getting to go to Kansas. Why did you pay him like. Why did you give him money. Eh what is the what what's the. WH- what do you gain from from providing him with implements will benefit unless you needed to provide him with impermissible benefits to to secure what it is. You're trying to secure but that can be a conversation for another day back to the initial point. You know you gotTa Hold Silvio Desouza accountable for his guardians actions that means you gotTa Hold Kansas Accountable for playing in ineligible player that final four is going to be vacated. Those winds are going to be vacated that big twelve championship. I assume also will be vacated. The bigger question becomes what happens going forward. What are they looking at. In terms of probation. What are they looking looking at in terms of recruiting restrictions collars scholarship reductions and and this is really the big one this is what would remember all those years later what are are they looking at as it pertains to their head coach because bill self is. I believe one of five active hall of fame coaches in College basketball right now and he has been accused of some pretty heavy stuff and in the way it can put a show because on him the NCAA Kim suspend him for it in a not insignificant amount of time. If you are charged with the level one violation and bill has been charged with a level one violation. You're at risk of suspension of up to a year based on one level one violation so to me the big question. Shen becomes not what it does to K- US past. What does it do to bill selves reputation? What does it do to bill sales future as this. Is the mark on selves reputation. You're not going to be able to put all the toothpaste back in the tube here and there's let's come on. I mean there's there's no way that Kansas and self alf aren't significantly hit with sanctions going forward the first of many I'll also I'll point out that when I was in court when gas was under oath he he testified to paying the families of Billy Preston Silvio Susa Dennis Smith Junior. NC state already Deandra Eytan and Brian Bowen junior so that's just the start guests. Nola is a key figure in the double as case here against Kansas Kansas and it is so fascinating to me that the government used guests Nola to help pay Kansas as a victim to which Kansas then and said you see where the victim this. Oh by the way we're GONNA go re sign a hundred million dollar deal with Adidas shortly thereafter to complete farce ars whatever and now they're by the way the NC double. A. Has Basically said what we all said while the federal government was doing what it was doing which is get out of our face. Kansas is not a victim here. It's why it was so laughable. When the the federal government argued that the reason these adidas reps needed needed to be convicted and go to prison is in some cases is because they defaulted Kansas has taken a much more common sense approach to this this particular subject instead. Kansas was not a victim that is that's. That's a stupid thing to allege of course listen people can lob their criticisms against the Chevrolet understand understand all that but the people in charge that are at the enforcement level particularly as of late the newer hires if you will in addition to those on the committee infractions as many of whom have real tough legal backgrounds. They're not idiots they understand what's what's happened here and the true function that Gas Nola had adidas and how he was a how he was user willingly wasn't agent of nefarious recruitment for the likes of Adidas amongst others. You've got gas nola apologizing on on text message text messages that was captured by the by the answer. Louis wishes by the FBI about having regrets over not being able to deliver De'andre aiden and to Kansas so it's not you're not even reading the tea leaves are all very very obvious here and it doesn't matter that gasol testified that he he conspired with Jim Ghetto Code and Christian doctrines which he did testify to this to conceal the payments from the schools and the ended up the ablaze view on this is is no way no how we know how the game works here and we're GonNa hit you for this and we're GonNa Label. You're going to be labeled as a booster and that's how we're GonNa get ya now. I Know Kansas fans also have some some pushback on the instability here because Billy Preston whose mother was paid ninety thousand bucks ninety thousand dollars beginning Wingas wingas Nola goes to a hotel room during Kansas has midnight madness a few years back and says. I'm running this recruitment now. You're going to be getting the money through me. Kansas ultimately ultimately never plays Preston so in terms of eligibility standpoint. I know Kansas fans are hoping that the school doesn't really have to deal too much with that. That's not going to be the case yeah. They didn't play him but the doubling knows what it's up against when it comes to trying to mete out punishments for all of these schools and programs and it knows that it has been just killed over the years for not bringing harsh punishments to high profile coaches and programs programs you can't convince me that that is not a factor here in an not an insignificant factor parish in the in the greater scope scope of all of these schools and all of these cases. It's why from the start to me. Arizona Kansas and L. and Louisville have been the three most interesting schools for very different reasons but yeah I mean. When do you think do you agree with me. Perish that Kansas this year will run parallel to Arizona last year by that I mean it'll just play out at season with this as a as a storyline. I'm kind of going over or alongside of whatever happens on the court but nothing really is going to happen this year and for those that are kind of like okay bill self going to get suspended as Kansas going to face. It's a potential postseason ban like all that stuff. You know if you're if you're thinking that's going to happen. Would you agree that we're looking at like at least mid. Spring Twenty twenty until we know anything anything more on this in terms of what what the end simply wants to try and hit Kansas with yeah I mean really all you gotTa do is look at the calendar and understand the timetable and you can reasonably conclude include that unless Kansas decides to self impose penalties and you know based on the statements Kansas has released. They have no interest in that whatsoever. They're gonNA fight fight fight they. They're gonNA argue two different things essentially and I should point out. This is more complicated than than when I say in simple terms I I'm I'm by definition. I'm trying to put it in simple terms. It's a it's a very complex situation but Kansas is. GonNa essentially argue two things a the adidas reps are not boosters they ah you know they. They do not represent our athletics interest. They worked for a shoe apparel company and be We already have the main adidas consultant consultant who was operating outside of the instable a rule book. We have him testifying under oath that our staff knew nothing about it and so if you want to try to argue we should then make that argument but do not argue that we did because we didn't and so once they've decided that's going to be the argument argument the defense they're conceding nothing again very different situations but the same way North Carolina with the incident on the academics scandal that they would not call an academic scandal the same way. North Carolina conceded almost nothing. Kansas is going to concede almost nothing I think so they're not going to self impose any penalties and so yeah I do agree with you. whatever is going to happen will have no impact on the two thousand nineteen twenty season as it relates to Kansas the players who were on the roster are going to play the coaches are on the staff or going to coach this is going to be something that impacts future seasons possibly and I do think something that will reasonably hinder bill and his staff's staffs approach to recruiting like they're gonNA have recruiting problems because every staff at America Kansas going heads up with Kentucky Kansas is going heads heads up with North Carolina Kansas is going heads up with Indiana. Kansas going heads up with any you know other power in college basketball. Those staffs are going going to hit prospects with this. Hey listen. I don't feel houses. Amazing Kansas is great. I Love Bill South but you look like a one player and you really want to Kansas your one year in college and they don't get hit with a postseason ban soon as the rules on this stuff. You're only going to spend one year in college. We never going to have the opportunity to plan instantly tournament. Is that what you want to risk or. Do you want to take any of these other great options where you're not at risk of that it will impact recruiting immediately elite but will it impact the two thousand nineteen twenty Kansas Jayhawks. No I don't think so there are five level one allegations that have been put against Kansas here that that's also I think can be overstated. It's the number of them. The university has been hit with a lack of institutional control and that's in part because the football program has been hit with level two violations which is sort of sort of a funny afterthought amid all this stuff. There's less miles is trying to make Kansas football onto thing. His predecessor has somehow got the football program involved in this and it's involvement has potential serious consequences for the Kansas Athletic Department to have the lack of institutional control because you are going to more than one actual department their parish what do you I think ultimately will be the punishment. That self gets teeth. There's there's talk about a season long. Show 'cause or suspension suspension. Do you think it's to that point. Do you think it's something short of that. Say you know nine Games fifteen games but for self in particular I know we have a long way way to go here but as we sit here today and people are GonNa want this analysis and want sort of a big picture forecast and prediction to you not necessarily what you think is fair but what so you think the incidentally ultimately decides upon when it when it puts a puts self against the wall. What do you think the the suspension link will be well. I'll answer that momentarily but I real quick. 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Wherever you get your podcast okay so the question you put to me is what do I ultimately believe. BILL SELF IS GONNA face in terms of punishment under the assumption that he will be punished in some form again canes is going to argue that shouldn't be I think most reasonable people can acknowledge that he's going wing to be so what is the punishment going to be I guess my first answer would be who knows I mean. We're dealing with not necessarily uncharted territory but like all of these cases are unique the NCAA belay is not the type of organization that has ever followed followed its own precedent that has ever been consistent with who charges and why and what punishments go along with that. I mean you you know men not to rope an old story into this but once upon a time like a jewelry store owner sued Lance Thomas Former Duke Blue Devil because he had a line of credit that he never paid while he was a student athlete at Duke for like I don't remember the exact Zac number but I wanna say it was like ninety thousand dollars not the type of line of credit at a jewelry store. A normal college student could get it seemed very clearly to be an impermissible sobel benefit and it just like nothing ever came of it like you just like the like. This is all you google. It and it just like you know went nowhere. According Getty at Duke many years ago was compromised by his AAU coach and it's just like nothing duke never paid a price for it so the engine has has never been consistent with with schools chooses to to to investigate in ignore which schools it chooses to punishment to punish and not punish so again who knows where this is going to go. We're guessing more than we're you. you know predicting with any sort of edge. You know you know it. It's impossible to know for sure. I'll keep it there but I would say if I were guessing it will be more significant than the typical nine game suspension that we've seen Jim Boeheim gator Larry Brown get up to other hall of fame coaches but it won't be in excess of a year. I would think more than nine games but no more than than one one season but again. It's only a guess who knows I'll say twenty games. That's going to be my when when everything's shakes out I'll say bill self gets twenty games. We'll see we'll see you. play that play at home over under twenty twenty games for bill self suspension there and if you told me that down the road when all the cases shakeout that bill self in Shawn Miller serve identical or near identical game suspense gambling suspensions. I'd absolutely believe it. Keep in mind by the way most people may not be aware of this but you know it was seven years ago when TC Espinola who was the director director of the New England players on the on the Nike circuit the answer Band Gas Knowle's team amongst some others for dealing with Andy Miller the the then at the time sports agent the reason why I bring that up is I would have to imagine that when these discussions have been taking place investigation with the enforcement staff and the forthcoming battles between Kansas and the committee on infractions actions take place. They're going to say listen. You knew who. TJ Gas Nola was he had a history of violating the rules also his grassroots teams were suspended from play this very decade. He was continued to be employed by Adidas. Bill self had a a relationship with him. It was revealed in federal court that he was even you know having dinners with him. I believe it was the night before the title game I might have that date wrong but nonetheless in federal court it was laid out clearly with incidentally outside counsel on hand to document and watch in here all of this just how strong along the relationship between bill self and Tj Gas Nola was to the point where gas NOLA was obviously communicating with self. How Important Kansas was to adidas going so a forest even say Kansas was above Louisville in the overall pecking order of that of that apparel companies level of importance with all all the programs there. I don't see how self and Kansas can really wiggle out of that. It's going to be a semantics argument and I think the committee on fractions is going to heavily come down on the program and saying you knew what was happening here when he's apologizing for not getting De'andre Eytan you know what he was referring to there when he was talking to you about getting the best players and self response to get some good guys. He's not explicitly an outright saying but they're gonNA try and pinch them for that not just that you know you've got the assistant. Kurtis Townsend Kurtis Townsend caught allegedly discussing a willingness willingness to do whatever cans needed to do to pay in House Zion Williamson and his family to get them to come to Kansas will will that be taken into account if so what can what can the pin on Kansas in regard to that and even if it doesn't will those discussions also have an impact on on what happens at the enforcement level. I I don't know parents. This is this is. This is a big one. There are more big ones to come but ah I don't think it's a coincidence that although NC state had the first one the Kansas one is is among the biggest if not the right next to Arizona and this this is setting the table for what I would expect remember waiting. I'm four more schools still get these and I would think that we're gonNA know that by Thanksgiving here but to come out with a strong message against Kansas I think was done with intention by the instable a you've got it exactly right in the sense that Kansas is going to again argue you a lesson you can say it looks how it looks but there is no smoking gun the text messages between between Tj and bill might look a certain way and you can draw from that whatever it is you want to draw from that but the words go by me players. Go break into AA rules. Go do things you're not supposed to do for me. They're not in there and so you can think think well beyond new what Tj was doing but there's nothing in the text message that definitively says I know you're breaking rules and I'm cool with it. I need you to go break rules on my behalf and they're just going to argue that. Listen you can say it's crazy if you want to but we insist bill self and his staff didn't know what was was going on and Tj Gas Nola even testified under oath bill self new staff did not know what was going on now. I'll say right now same thing I said on the day that it was reported afforded that TJ guests nola testified under oath that bill self at a staff didn't know that he was Brady incredibly rules. That's a lie. He lied under oath. I you'll never convince me otherwise now you know special shelves to bill for having somebody that loyal to him who would be willing to lie under oath in Federal Federal Court and say bill self was ignorant to everything I was doing but you'll never convince me. TJ GAS NO IT didn't lie under oath and that is essentially what the NCAA saying thing is well we believe. TJ Gas Nola lied under oath. We do not believe bill self and staff didn't really know what T- guess Nola and he is a dita's co workers were doing and to your point about. TJ's pass like listen. I'm not J. for I don't know fifteen years. He have you ever madam. Do you know him. Yes so you know. TV HAS NOLA screams. NC double violation right. Yes yes he gives off a certain appearance. That's like data and I say this is the spectators I could say it but like you ever been around. TJ Like you the devil walk away from that conversation. Go you know what I bet. This is a guy who's never broken. NCWA role in his life I would assume he's broken every NCAA rule in his life right so when you combine that with the text messages and with just common sense it defies logic to think that to believe that bill and I I should I should say when you say staff bills got a big staff and not everybody is roped into. Did this thing you know it's largely Bill Kurtis Townsend and so I think we should probably be careful even though word like thirty minutes into this now about saying bill and his staff and just hoping the everybody who works in that basketball facility into the story because it is not alleged that everybody was of course aware of or or dealing with TJ and Jim Gadoe and moral code in in this way but it defies logic to believe that bill and Kurtis Townsend at the very least. I didn't know what Tj and the Adidas Reps were doing and I say that as somebody who's known in liked bill for a long time WHO's Nonni unlike curtis for a long time but like you know we don't have to be stupid about this. You know the the the w saying is is is what I believe. Maybe maybe bill and Curtis didn't know every penny that was going to every place but the idea that they didn't know that Adidas was out there rocking rocking and rolling on their behalf that that's it's it's. It's simply not believable. I know okay so a couple of things here with with gas nola yeah and then something the play. I want to remind listeners a few details. Let let me let me say this one thing real quick today. I I think this is also important if I'm going to sit here and insist that it defies logic to believe I believe that bill didn't know what he gas. Nola was doing based on who TJ years based on bills level of intelligence in the inner workings of the Sport and based on the text messages that that exists the next question becomes okay like so how bad is this and it's clearly bad bad if you get caught but I also don't think it's abnormal in the sense that and you you correct me if you think I'm wrong. I think those text messages between Tj and bill very important because not only is TJ saying listen you know it's Kansas and everybody else can fall online bill self and then everybody else behind him. That's the way it's going to work K. US number one with Adidas. I'm out here to make sure you get the guys so on and so forth and and bill says that's the way it works with Duke and North Carolina the implication there is that Nike is out there working for Duke Nike not is out there working for North Carolina. I believe Kentucky was roped into it at some point somehow nikes out there working for Kentucky and I'm a blue blood like they're blue bloods and I need somebody out there working for me and so if you WANNA try to figure out how this stuff even gets to a point where you can actually actually believe. You're not doing anything that wrong. I think Y- story lies in that you know whether or not bill was right or wrong in terms of what he believes. I'll let other people decide although long as being honest I think he's right bills point of view. It seems he's pretty clear to me if Nike is out there working for Duke and knock out there working for Kentucky and knock out that working for North Carolina then what is so wrong with having indeed out there working for me. I've just trying to level the playing field here. You know if if if we all want to live by some different standards than let's get together and figure it out but as long as that shoe company is doing work for those schools then why can't my shoe company be out there doing work for me. It reminds me a little a bit of the Barry Bonds explanation for turning to performance enhancing drugs like Barry Bonds is the best player in baseball pre performance enhancing dancing drugs and then he watches Sammy Sosa hit a bazillion homerun mark mcgwire hit a bazillion home runs and he's sitting there going what like I'm better in. Both these guys is and I never one to use performance enhancing drugs but as long as these guys and everybody else is going to do it. I might as well do it too. If everybody else is doing what's wrong with me doing it and then he does it. It's like seventy three home runs and then he gets caught and people go shame barry bonds doesn't belong in the hall of fame but the truth is barry bonds was simply simply trying to level the playing field that had been changed and if you were trying to rationalize bills behavior here if you're somebody who actually believes of course he knew what was going on. I think it's rooted in that. He reached a point It may be reached one a long time ago. I don't pretend to know the timetable but he clearly had gotten to a point where Adidas working for me isn't wrong because it's no different than Nike working for those other blue bloods share of a whereas baseball's culture of steroid use obviously was something that was introduced in the late eighties early nineties. There is a widespread belief that cheating in college sports has been existence for illnesses long has been around here is of course. Let me let me okay. Let me clarify then. I don't mean to suggest that bill self got tired of everybody else. Cheating decided to start teaching like I what I suggest. Is that you in life anything. You rationalize bad behavior any any of us. If you do things you're not supposed supposed to do when you know you're not supposed to do them when you know that. If I get caught I could be in trouble. The first thing you do is start to rationalize that behavior like why do you cheat on your girlfriend or your wife doesn't appreciate me. She'd not pay me any ten like you'd start rationalizing these things thanks and I think here. The rationalization is of course. I know that I'm you know working hand in hand with somebody who's breaking into the rules to benefit my program and that it's it's it's in violation of of instability rules that if I get caught I'd be in trouble but the only reason I'm doing it is because he's other people are doing it. I'm not the devil is hey when when they wanNA stop doing this at Duke and start doing it at Kentucky. Stop doing it in North Carolina fine but as long as everybody else is doing it then what's so bad about me doing it too. I don't mean that he was getting to this point where you've got this relationship with Adidas guests. Nola is a reaction necessarily necessarilly to something else that happened but it's rooted in a belief that other people are doing it so I might as well do it too yeah and that won't stand up against the double double as well as you know. I I know you know but just to put that out there what's fascinating to me with Gas Nola and what the incidentally interprets here and what it can use what it can't use. Is You know the the federal government did not turn over its files to the instable a after in either trial which obviously the badly would have wanted because there there was probably things documents transcripts that were not entered into official evidence that it would have liked to have. I've seen in addition to the stuff that officially was but didn't get that so the answer blade now can just say okay then you're not going to do that. That's fine. We're going to use what we have in court here. Okay which is is which they're allowed to do that is now actual policy and then subway policies important going forward. You have to keep in mind that there's a new penalty structure here and the new penalty structure and the language therein also specifically indicates that any forthcoming punitive decisions that come don't don't have to have any sort of previous president. We're in a new era okay. Kansas will be subject to this. NC State as Arizona as Louisville as UCS Auburn as Creighton as TCU ACU as go on down the line to how many of our schools eventually touched by this okay so what will the NC double A. US in its enforcement case in committee on infractions in regard to what gas Nola said and can also play both sides. Can it say well guess. Nola said this under oath but also we think he lied. I would fully expect expect Kansas to come back at the end subway and say you can't you can't have both ways. You can't say that what he said under oath at certain parts were fabrications rotations and at the at the at the same point also use what he said under oath to try and pin against the wall because obviously you know we're in an ultimate catch catch twenty two in that case. I'd be interesting. I'd really love to hear those conversations behind closed doors because I do think that is going to be a sticking point between Kansas and the AA here because it is going to try and play both sides because it has no other choice. It's not going to get guests and all of Ford's investigation all it has is the stuff that was presented in federal court based on stories that frankly wetzel and I and others wrote and whatever the outside counsel was able to describe down right because you can't bring recording equipment into the courtroom room. It's all that's all it has it has that's all that it can use when it comes to gasoline and what he said and what he admitted to because I would be stunned if it was able to actually bring him gasol and help this of course that's not going to happen so you know an absence of that. It's going to use whatever it can there and whatever its investigation was potentially able to obtain on its own means which I which. I don't think it's insignificant but I don't think it's nearly as important as whatever was presented in court. This comes down to the double a looking at Kansas. is one university that that was re representative of of a bigger problem here and it's going to see a pattern of behavior from gas. Nola who had close relationships with bill self and others around the Kansas Program continue to try and use his position within Adidas to get players to this and thinks he said under oath certainly don't help the cause for bill self in his program and that will lead you too significant sanctions being levied against Kansas and then it's a matter of if it can win on appeal the way It hath won on appeal to Susa. When when it got down from two years down to one but will we wait and see on that but if you're a college fan listen to this and this stuff kind of interest you or or riveting to you I promise you we're going to have more here and before we know what it's going to be compared one case versus another versus another win so many of the factors there while in in a big picture seem similar will be different but gas is the key because he was the guy to his own admission again that helped that didn't help or just outright paid money any two families of players that went to NC State Arizona Kansas and Louisville and so with those four schools particularly in what he said and what gas analysts under oath? I'll be most interested to see what allegations are put against those other schools when they come how many level ones in particular it's Eh An interesting time for incidental enforcement and I've said it from the beginning. I thought significant punishments were coming down on these programs is just a matter of how long it will take for it to happen and and what legal you know. Return serve any of the schools optimistic against into belay that gets much more intangible. We'll get down to we'll get to that where down the road if and when it happens and it appears to address your point that the NC double a. has taken the the stance that we were going to believe the evidence. We're going to believe. TJ guests no was testimony except for the part where he said Bill Self and his staff didn't know anything about what he was doing. We simply don't believe that part but we the believed the other parts and obviously Kansas is going to try to to try to pick that apart but keep in mind this is not a court of law you. You don't have a judge up. They're ruling what is admissible and what isn't that. The standards of guilt or are very very different. We could end up in a court of law someday. I'm day not ruling that out but initially this is going to be handled by a committee on infractions and if they take the same mm position that the enforcement staff has taken here then yeah Kansas is facing serious penalties and bill self a hall of fame coaches is facing facing serious penalties. You notice that Lorna was in the notice of allegations didn't you of course the lesson learned L. Yes because he's connected to he was the person who ooh guessing who is trying to ship the money to eight and to get him to Kansas to begin with. I also think that's why that's ultimately going to be problematic for Arizona but that's obviously a topic for another podcast but if you'd like to layout some praise admiration for learn L. by all means go ahead. I just thought it was disrespectful to identify him. Only as a coupe family friend of of Deandra Eytan Even Lor nail is not a family friend only parentheses. He's the legend and the season. We're looking for that and then official Noaa where you I. I was hoping that when I got to page six of the modus of allegations that it would say. TJ Gas Nola testified that he provided fifteen thousand dollars to the legend Lord no to a family friend Comma large-scale parentheses. He's the legend and parentheses that would have been the best shelf the Devon Daddy's. We asked to test the South Carolina sales to Terry. MFN teagle. He's a real legend. She has to learn now member. Go Subscribe to the College Basketball Pack via apple podcast you can do it takes couple seconds. We want you to rate it. Favorably that means five darth lease a nice comments. That's all I've ever asked me to do it or not. We're going to be back here the next week and maybe earlier if somebody else gets knows about gauging later on this week so we'll talk to you too.

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Kansas, Duke, LSU face the federal fire; Zion Williamson's name attached to case; best players in college hoops (10.19)

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Kansas, Duke, LSU face the federal fire; Zion Williamson's name attached to case; best players in college hoops (10.19)

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I in Fort Lauderdale with our Lander cow Boone and the entire CBS sports dot com college basketball team that went up to Brooklyn MC the media luncheon yesterday got home late last night, and so we haven't had a chance to actual to actually sit down and record a podcast this week apologies. But we're here right now and a whole lot has happened. The federal trial has had its closing statements, Kansas system. Kurtis Townsend is on. A wiretap insisting Kansas will pay for van Williamson yet. Duke still got scien- Williamson. So that's interesting. Meantime, Bill self via text message appears to be rationalizing Kansas cheating because he thinks you and see and Kentucky also do it or at least TJ gas Nola added Kentucky also does it via Nike. Jim ghettos lawyer said the Bill self new Adidas bought Silvio Susa, and we'll weigh LSU coat on. Wiretap seem to claim he's willing to cheat to get a class of two thousand nineteen prospect. So there's a lot to unpack you. We're going to talk about it all plus the fact that the NBA has announced that select prospects going forward is early. Two thousand nineteen can get g. league contract straight at a high school for one hundred twenty five thousand dollars. Plus we're gonna try to get into our list of the top one hundred one college basketball players in this country. We're gonna get to all of it. I think I promise, but I, I mean as an Orlando, what's up with norlander what's up with sup with GP good to see us good, some good meetings down there. We are definitely. Fired up and ready for the season. For as as we are for the season to come and the content, we've got a head in the in the coming weeks, including my one, two, three, fifty, three rankings. We now have three hundred and fifty three teams in college basketball from three fifty one in recent years. The trial really did continue to dominate the headlines this week as it should you and I both wrote stories, wrote columns on what had happened here. And I guess GP take this in chronological order just to kind of set it up as we learn it throughout the week because there's a lot to get to here. And obviously it stands to be to me the most interesting if not impactful week of the trial. And there's been three weeks because of the fact that you had the wiretap between Merle code and Kansas. Instant Kurtis Townsend. What the defense lead offense to hurry for Jim caddo said in his closing arguments on Thursday, but you want to take it from from the start from Monday as we learn things and has as this week unfolded. That's exactly right because there's a lot to get to. And I wanna stay focused topic to topic to topic to topic. And I think the best way is just to discuss it in chronological order. Like you mentioned on Monday. It was a big day in the courtroom. You and I were both flying to Fort Lauderdale and I got trapped in Atlanta for a little bit. But at some point it was tweeted by the damn wets or Adams, the gory or somebody else in the courtroom. A text message exchange between TJ gas Nola, the former consultant slash back man bag man and would be awesome if he was also Batman in addition to a bag man, but he's not. He's not. And it was a text message change between TJ and Kansas hall of fame coach Bill self just of it is that this was three days before Adidas was about to announce a twelve year extension with Kansas athletic department, but it was already done the deals done and they're gonna nounce in three days. They did announce it in three days. It's TJ sins. Bill a text message basically saying, hey. Thanks for your help or whatever role you played in it and Bill. Self replies, again, according to text message change, read in court said, just need to get a couple of real guys. TJ replies to that by saying, in my mind, Kate, you Bill self. Everyone else fall the line to f and bad. That's what's right for Dita's basketball. And I know I'm right. The more you have lottery picks and you happy. That's how it should work in my mind. Bill self replies, that's how it works at UNC and Duke gas Nola. Then answers that by saying Kentucky as well. And then he adds, I promise you, I got this. I have never let you down except with the Andrei LOL we will get it right. So that's the entire text message change in admittedly it's without context. But what I think most reasonable people would conclude from that. Is this what you have is a bag man who's already admitted to paying multiple families under oath saying that. Hey, you're our primary program. Your Adidas flagship is far as I'm concerned. I'm here to help Bill self. I'm here to help Keynes's. Everybody else can fall in line behind you. Bill says, that is how it works at UNC and Duke. The implication being. A deed is going to help me get out there and get some quote, unquote couple real guys. Well, that's how it works at UNC and Duke Nike helps them get real guys. And then TJ says, ain't it works Kentucky as well. Meaning Nike helps Kentucky get real guys and then TJ throws in at the end, I promise you, I'm going to do this. I've never let you down except with except for when it comes to Dion dre, which suggests that Bill self had to know that TJ guests was out there working to try to get dandruff eight. The who subsequently was the number one pick in the NBA draft was working to try to get them to Kansas and TJ testified last week that he had paid a friend. Specifically. The legend Lorne l. fifteen grand to try to curry favor with the eight and family norlander in fair this, I'll give you an opportunity to reject any of that basically, right. Basically right there and what gas Nola is saying in so many words to self on that text message and what he essentially verified on the stand under oath in court is that Nike and Under Armour working ways, perhaps not identical ways, perhaps through through different means avenues and channels as what a Dita's was trying to do. And I keep piece of context with all of this that I think we might have mentioned on the previous podcast. But if Donald bringing up here, you know, gas Nola was brought in specifically because Dita's or at least he was eager to be this role of a bag. Man who also by the way on ran operated, aggressor seem the New England players because it had lost ground in the recruiting space. It knew that it did new. It wasn't acquiring enough players that were setting up his future pros and getting them to a sponsored schools. So gas mellow was brought in to be part of that. And obviously he had other help in the quote, unquote black ops group that that has had where. Was Merle code Jim gadoe in by proxy Christian doctrines. So what you have self saying, there is listen. You've got these other big schools, Duke Kentucky Carolina, and the Nike machine is behind them. Obviously, what self is texting here, fall short of truly implicating evidence, but the whole context of the conversation submitted into evidence and displayed in court. Brings to light what gas Nola was willing to do specifically because he brings up de'andre Eytan whom he tried to get Aden's mother housing, permanent housing, and job in Lawrence, Kansas in an effort to get into Kansas that failed. Remind listeners that eight and was considered an overwhelming. I mean, among the most overwhelming projections for a top five player in a class to go to a certain school eight and going to Kansas was that. And then the Arizona pick was a fairly big stunner. And as we'll see with other instances of players who've been caught up in this Brian Bowen to Louisville, stunner Zion will Williamson to Duke definitely stunner even though it's Duke, they were not considered a front runner first or second or third or any of that heading into that. So that context of that conversation brings more skepticism to self as we're going to get to the fact that one of his assistants was caught on a wiretap discussing Zayn Williamson. Recruitment and the circumstances surrounding that recruitment very much running parallel to the circumstances that surrounded de'andre Aden's nefarious recruitment. That is what is so troubling if you're a Kansas fan and it's why the instable a, in my opinion, inevitably has to seriously investigate Kansas. It's why sanctions could becoming because again, the stuff that is brought up in court is now a matter of public record and the AA per its own rules that got changed earlier this year is allowed to take that evidence and use it toward its own adjudication though that text message exchange is made public in court on Monday, and I'd set a write a column about it because it's obviously significant news if only because you've got a hall of fame coach on a wiretap saying, yeah, we're going to do this and you know what? It's no different than what another hall of fame coach at UNC. It's no different than how he benefits another hall of fame coach do. It's how he benefits. And then TJ gas Nola says, oh, don't forget about the hall. Of fame coach, Kentucky, it's how he benefit. So we got a text message exchange between. Bill self and TJ gas Nola that that that mentions three other blue blood programs. That's perfect stuff for count. So I start so. So the the basic of the basis of the column is like, this is the most interesting stuff from from the day because essentially, again, this is the way I read it. I'd invite anybody to read it differently, but I don't think you can unless you have biased is. It is a hall of fame coach, rationalize cheating because, hey, we doing anything like ain't doing. We doing nothing that Nike's not doing for Duke for North Carolina and for Kentucky. Now I'm not as I wrote in the com- sitting here and going to pretend to have proof that Nike has has done this exact thing that data's was willing to do and did do for Kansas for UNC or Duke or Kentucky. But what I can say is that we know via reporting from the Oregonian that Marvin Bagley father made a lot of money through Nike while Marvin Bagley was a high school prospect and Marvin Bagley didn't end up picking one of Nike's biggest brands perhaps that was just a coincidence. But everything I just said is true. And so I write the column just saying, like, you know, in in that text message change what Bill self says, like this is the way it gets done. And I think he's right. I do think this is the way. It gets done because for years, this is the way people would hurt. It gets done and it was almost acceptable behavior in the sport as crazy as that might sound on October nineteen, two thousand eighteen. It was almost acceptable behavior in the sport. I can't tell you how many times I heard it coach saying, you know, just Nike Nike kid pick the Nike school. What are you going to do? Or hey, Adidas is out there working for an Adidas school where you're gonna do or underarms out there working for an under armor school and just sort of how the game work in fact, and I encourage anybody to go with this Google, Gary, perish, Mark Turgeon college park mellow Trimble it probably pop up there. I went to Maryland a few years ago and wrote a story about, you know, Mark Turgeon sort of off the hot seat, but what it's like to to live on the hot seat and he was great, very candid. I think the lead was something along the lines of, you know, he was riding with his son, his teenage son one day, and his son looked at him and sedan. You're going to get fired. He said, that's a hard thing to hear from your son, because what your son's basically asking is not whether or not you're going to lose your job, but like are we going to have to move again, I'm not going to have to leave all my friends and it's just like it's just it's a rough deal. When your job security is such a public topic of conversation. For instance, if my job's in jeopardy, your job's in jeopardy. Most people don't know except us, and even in that case, we might not know. But when it comes to college, basketball coaching, there's actual list see list one that met published recently that says, hey, this guy might lose his job come March or April. And so you know, he talks about that. But at some point in the story, I talk about like why he came to Maryland and one of the points he made. He said it was a top five reason the under armor affiliation because he knew at Texas am in. He was always well down the totem pole when it came to shoe company affiliation. But at at Maryland, he'd be the number one priority for under armor, and he knew under armor would help him. And the quote in the story is and I'll never apologize for it because what Mark new is, what a lot of people knew Nike's helping Nike schools Dita's helping to school. You know, went under armor is gonna help me and I'll never polish politics for it. And what we've found out in this over the past year, the federal government has subpoenaed Maryland for paperwork, and according to at least wiretaps and testimony. Maryland booster had paid civil, deceive, Souza's garden guardian to get him to go to Maryland. So to me, this was the most entering stuff, and I wrote it that way and almost immediately the backlash from Duke fans, Carolina fans in Kentucky fans came, and I realized I didn't notice this in advance or anticipated advanced, but it makes sense what the benefit of hindsight I might have written norlander tell me if I'm wrong, might have written the first column in the history of columns that angers Duke fans and Kentucky fans, and North Carolina fans and Kansas fans. Because usually when you write a column that's gonna anger, Duke feigns Kentucky fans gonna love it, North Carolina fines going to love it. You write a column that Kentucky fans are gonna hate. Duke fans are gonna love it, Kansas fans. They're gonna love it, but they all hated this one. And. The the question I got over and over again is why couldn't you just write about Kansas? Why did you wanna rope all these other schools in? And if you allow me to answer that question, I will. I'm just not going to go back and forth with a bunch of non ass-. Wacko fans on Twitter is just some people do it. I just choose not to. But I'll happy to address it here. Like what fans wanted me to write was, oh, here's Bill self caught cheating. We had talked about that last week. Go listen to last week's podcast or any radio. Segment you heard me do on this topic. It was pretty clear from the previous week's testimony that Keynes's had been cheating falls off, and I actually said you'd have to be really naive to think the Bill self and his staff were unaware of what TJ gas Nolan. Jim gadoe and everybody is doing. I said that we had talked about that. What was I supposed to write on Monday afternoon, hey, here's even more stuff that makes it look like canes was absolutely cheating. Like we've been through that who could read that text message exchange and think the Bill self wasn't aware what t- to guess Nola was willing to do and possibly had done already for him, at least as it relates to donder Deandra and there's nothing new there. The truth is that the interesting aspect of this was. You have a guy who is, I don't know what bills title is, but he works on that committee. That makes rules, right? It's he and Phil Martelli, correct? Yeah, Bilas outgoing on that. But he has been. He's been part of that, yes. Yeah. So you got a guy who's like in the actual rule, recommendation business, a guy who's won a national championship, a guy who's one of only six active hall of famers basically incriminating himself, but also saying, this is what happens at Duke, North Carolina and the guests. No says, oh, don't forget about my old buddy. John Calipari. It's also what happens at Kentucky that that was the most interesting thing from there and somehow gets twisted into your just staying away from Bill sell. I talked about Bill self at link the week before, and then you get all these like wild people speculating as to why. And I don't know really where it started. I think I can probably guess, but I got maybe one hundred people saying that I didn't wanna. About Bill self because he's my drinking buddy at hooters. I don't think just for the record. And you guys can post this on your favorite message board? I don't think I've ever been to hooters with Bill self ever. I remember one night at the hooters in Augusta, norlander I believe you were there. It was me you couple of the people have you Bob Huggins, Mark FOX, Steve Forbes. Do you remember that night and Kennedy. Do Andy Kennedy. Right? But it wasn't Bill self. Like Bill self is not my drinking buddy, which is what has been alleged like, there's this like consp- like, I don't know what to call it, not a conspiracy, but just like a theory among primarily, it appears to be Kentucky fans that the media is scared to write about Bill self because Bill selves, everybody's drinking buddy like I can count on maybe a three fingers. How many times Bill self is. I don't even really know how many times I've set at a papal and Drake what Bill self. It's just it's just faintest. It's just not true. And beyond that like go listen to the last podcast I talked about Bill self in the. The in how the testimony that come out in this trial seem to suggest you'd have to be really naive to think Kansas was a not cheating, but be that the staff wasn't aware of it. So that's the truth behind that story. And why I wrote that column, there is no conspiracy. I had another guy say that because I live in Memphis. I wanted to wrote Kentucky into it because Memphis recruiting James wise, it's just bananas, like I didn't. I swear to God on my youngest son's life who supposed to be not even here. He's a miracle. I never thought about James Wiseman points lower right in that column. I wrote the column for exactly the reasons I stated and the idea that it can that large fan bases can believe what somebody tells them when it's just like completely made up is just wild to me, but it shouldn't. It shouldn't be surprising. Fans are fans and you manage to to piss off for the biggest ones here. I want to tie up the Bill self stuff on this portion, so we don't have to double back later because we gotta get to his assistant Zion, weight and stuff. So here's another interesting aspect with all this. I want to try and put a little bit of context into how we got to this point on Thursday. The defense makes closing argument and gets, and Michael Schachter the lead defense attorney for Jim gadoe. Starts making his closing arguments. Here's what he said in the quote is from March lobbying dot com who was in the courtroom and covering it for that outlet. This week Schachter said, the evidence I submit shows that Kansas head coach knew of an ask for payment to be made to Silvio Seuss's handler, more than that coach self requested. Just the kind of help that Mr. gas Nola arranged as a condition for coach self to permit Adidas, to continue their sponsorship agreement with the university of Kansas. You have Schachter sang something here in front of the jury that gas Nola under oath directly refuted. And that has to be brought up an address here because frankly, you can think Bill self is the biggest cheater in college basketball, you think Bill self is completely innocent, and all of this has been overblown. But what Schachter did here was. I wouldn't say he threw a skunk into the jury as the saying goes in those circles, but I think it came pretty close because gas Nola was repeatedly asked if he ever told self, if you ever thought self staff knew that was making these payments. These players gas Nola said, no, he, he objected to the idea of that and testified explicitly against it will Schachter is coming out in explicitly saying, obviously the prosecution rejects this because it's case rests on the fact that Bill self did not know. So what's interesting here is what Schachter said and how much it could have an impact on the verdicts which are due to come either Monday or Tuesday. I don't think this trial will drip into Wednesday. We'll have to wait and see on how complicated issue jury thinks it is, but I was surprised that he went this far. So the next layer of this is this in the process of building out this case, the defense attorneys are obviously privy to a lot of information that doesn't get presented at try. I would even posit that maybe ten percent max of what they know what they've talked about, what what they've learned and what is essentially known to be can't be brought forth in court. They accept his reality and Michael Schachter and the rest of those defense attorneys absolutely believe that Bill self knew about these payments. I don't think that he would have gone as far as to say that in his closing arguments, because if you get to a certain point where you're throwing stuff out there, even in a closing argument, you can really seriously flirt with mistrial and I was talking with what so damn what Soviet who last week there are a couple of moments that it didn't quite get to that line. But there were just the recent contention between the defense team and judge Lewis Kaplan in this where we thought, ok, maybe if this keeps going like this, maybe there will be a mistrial. We're gonna have to pick up the pieces and start over here. It didn't get to that point. But I know that this particular story and what the defense attorney is gained even more attraction. But it deserves to be said that gas Nola said that did not happen, and he's under oath. He's pinned against the wall. Here. He's not even sure that he won't go to jail. Gas Nola has no impetus to lie whatsoever because if he does, if any of his testimony is found to be falsified than his agreement gets ripped up and he stands to go to jail for a very, very long time. One other thing I want to bring up within all of this that the defense brought up. Let me start with. Okay, second. Okay. This was a headline that popped last night while I was flying home from New York. Jim GATT attorneys says, Bill self knew about the payment Silvio Susa. Let me be very clear. I'll say the same thing I said last week at this point, given everything we know you'd have to be pretty naive to think that Bill selfishness, staff worn aware of what Jim gadoe and TJ gas Nolan was doing for Kansas you. You'd have to be pretty naive, but this would carry much more weight what the defense attorney said in court yesterday if he had put gadoe on the stand and gadoe it said under oath, I had a person in the industry text me last night while on the plane said, do you think Bill survives this? And my answer is if it never gets worse than where it is right now. Yes. And here's one. What Bill can say is that you can tell you can say I should have known or or maybe I should have asked more questions are maybe I was a, I was trying to create plausible deniability. Obviously, he's not going to say these things, but, but there's nothing here that proves that. I knew anything that I directed anybody to go break rules. I told TJ gas Nola need a couple of guys. I didn't tell him to go buy me a couple of guys. You guys are. You guys are reading it the way you want to read it and I and if God does law says that I was aware of it, I'm just telling you that I wasn't and he has real motive to say that I was aware of it. Their case is built on no university was defrauded because the universities knew what our clients were doing. That's the case. The prosecution is saying, universities were defrauded, and the defense is saying, no, that universities weren't because universities were were involved a wear and our clients were doing exactly what the university's want. So he's trying to get his his. Client off aim at anybody, but like I did not instruct, Jim gadoe to go buy a player for me. I did not instruct TJ gas, not go by a player from me, and they never told me that they did those things. And as long as he sticks to that, I think Bill self is going to survive this Kurtis Townsend like that's pretty bad stuff and we'll get to it in a minute. He might go, because let's just be honest assistance have been sacrificed in this type of stuff while the hit to for for decades. But if it doesn't get worse than this Bill cells going to continue to coach canes, would you agree with that? Yeah, and I'm glad we got because I was actually set you up with that just a minute there. So we're on the same wavelength here. If what we know and let's be clear here we still have two more trials. We'll see if any of the trials really loop Kansas in the way this one has I suspect that they won't. But I would say Bill self is not in danger of losing his job because you do not have anything in evidence that explicitly shows that self knew of approved of ads for payments. However, there was this one more thing that was brought up by Schachter and court, and it was it was as much as the defense could get to build to build its argument. It's text messages between Gasol and self gas techs. I talk with any self response. We good guests has always says that that was light work is in his court. Now, you know, we're not gonna play stupid for listenership on this podcast. We understand what's going on here, but we're absence of actual evidence. And then Schachter goes onto argue, coach, self, and towns and ask for help in making this payment defending referring to any foul main Silvio guardian. And then coach self wanted to know with Adidas told me that the payment would be made and the ball is in his court. That's a logical conclusion to come to, but it's still stopped short of actual evidence I do self will be okay. GP can we now transition this detention because these things are dealing with separate players, but the same situation, overall, Townsend Zion stuff because it's it's obviously, I think it's the biggest stuff from this week. I agree, but in the spirit of chronological order, the coach k. press conference. Okay. Enough. Things obviously tied together. So on Monday as that text message chain between Bill self and TJ, gas Nola is made public Mike chefs key. The hall of fame coach greatest coach college coach of all time is holding a press conference in Durham, and he describes everything that's coming out in court in on that day and in the previous couple of weeks. And just this whole quote, unquote scandal in general, says it's, it's, it's just a blip. It's not what's happening. The pushback has been pretty intense. I think if they had to do it over again, he probably handle it. But obviously that's it's it's silly in disingenuous and just an odd way for the most prominent voice in the sport to respond to to to what we are witnessing a federal courtroom in New York City. It was a bad. Look made five times worse by the fact that less than twenty four hours later one of his star players, let's face it. His star players. I am. Williamson was irrefutably attached to this story permanently to refer to what's happening and in court as a blip to refer to the fact that an investigation of this magnitude that's unprecedented in major college athletics, you can even argue from the federal standpoint from a federal standpoint with United States government, we have never seen a case like this. That doesn't qualify as a blip here and it was shocking because Mike chefs key, everyone would agree that has any sort of, you know, balanced in waited knowledge in college, athletics in college, basketball, he's not dumb. It's this. This guy went to West Point as guided himself to being arguably the greatest college basketball coach in the history of the sport, understand how recruiting works to such a level that he is doing it at such an advanced stage and age that it out matches any. He's done previously. I can now hear the dukes Nixon hitter saying, yeah, obviously, look at what you guys have been talking about for the first half hour on this podcast is a reason that happens. You're totally valid and thinking that, but the point is much jesse's too smart to act that stupid. And when he does that, he sets himself up for criticism. I was surprised did that because he has been a bit outspoken about this and some changes needed in the past, but to be fair, he's also tried to push college basketball along from this fastest possible particularly last year when I was at the PK eighty and the trial stuff that kind of come and gone in the games that started. And there wasn't a lot about that, but he got asked about, he said, you know, the focus where it should be now it's on the games. It's on this on this season, and that stuff is is pretty much over with well. He was kind of true in the moment, but at the same time we were never just gonna blow by this and. Okay. Well, we're not gonna talk about. I think about the trial until or the case until the trial star. That wasn't the case whatsoever. So now you've got k. getting rightfully ripped over this. And then the next day. Again, context is important here. What got released the next day is so fascinating because the jury did not hear this jury does not know this happened. They are making their verdict on this case without knowledge of all of this. But what happens is they're out of the courtroom and before they come back in or any witnesses, even though the witnesses had finished up at this time, what happens is the defense and the prosecution that go to the judge and they say, okay, listen here, things that we want to bring up in front of the jury, and it's up to the judge side whether that's allowed or not the judge ultimately decides it's not allowed. But the key thing here one is the will Wade conversation with Christian doctrines. But the bigger headline was the recruitment is I on Williamson and in Kansas involvement in all of that. And it's just it's, it's downright damning. It's Merle code talking to Curtis housing, and I'm gonna read just forbade him. So our listeners have it. Many probably read this, but let's just put this on the table and imperishable that for you. Hey, co said between me and you, you know, he asked about. Some stuff, you know. Who is he? This is now I'm reading from Wessels column Zaim Williams father, but this is another distinction that has to be made here. Okay. 'cause I haven't really seen this talked about too much Zion. Williamson has a father, but his father is not who he lives with. He does not have a close relationship with his father, his father and his mother, not married Zion. Williamson has a stepfather. The stepfather was the one that was in charge of his deeds grassroots program. Oh, by the way that it is funded heavily just the way Marvin Bagley. The thirds Nike program was funded. So there is the possibility that as a codes lawyer, Mark Morris, describing all this and referring to Williamson's quote father. He means his stepfather doesn't mean that his father's not possible because I had a source telling me during Williamson's recruitment that Zion Williamson's father was actually a little bit in the picture. So there is that minute possibility. But I think it's more likely it was a stepfather either way that's particular detail that needs to be put out there. So people understand what's going on here. Co continues. I know what he's asking for. He's asking for opportunities from an occupational perspective. He's asking for cash in the pocket, and he's asking for housing for him and his family. This is very much like the Andrea eight recruitment to Kansas. Okay. So then Townsend says, I've just got to try to work and figure out a way because if that's what it takes to get here for ten months, we're going to have to do it some way that isn't acknowledgement that he understands the recruiting situation surrounding Zion, Williamson, potentially going from the grassroots level to the biggest school that there is Townsend is not hanging up the phone. He's not saying, hey, man, you know that we can't do that here. We don't do that here. It's him absolutely listening codes pitch and not not getting off the phone. It's it's particularly damning for Kansas towns. Townsend. I think in an probe is inevitable. The timing on that hell it might be two three years from now given how these things go. We don't know on all that, but it absolutely has aftershocks with Duke because what we are asking, what? What. Is asking us to believe now. And of course it's possible ask us to believe that Zion, Williamson's recruitment on behalf of moral code. This was not the stepfather talking to Curtis. Perhaps I believe since father because saying I talk with family and here's what's going on. So if that was happening with Kansas, are we to believe that the lure of chefs key and Duke and Cameron and being on television more than any other team in the country, except maybe Kentucky was enough for the family not to take any sort of benefits. Obviously, that's quite the leap of sumptious to make. And so it sets up for a problematic issue with Duke. I will say, you know. One more thing I'll shut up and get to parish when Bagley had to get into last year. It was such a big deal. I talk with multiple around Duke and the process in which the high profile players are allowed to be enrolled and eligible to play particular. Duke I was told is exceedingly rigorous like so tedious about Bank records everything financial and the previous two, three or four years that said, obviously, Mike suggests the most powerful person in the sport. And today there's never been a player that's been refuted from getting into Duke. So you can make the case that it's so hard to get in and they check the incident, late rigorously, fax, everything. Someone else could easily come back and say, come up, it's Duke. Esky is a really going to be a roadblock. So that's what faces. And there are questions that still need to be asked by the way media is next week. I'd love to see what happens to the compliance person tries to tell Mike chefs. Can't enrolls I on way of because they found something problematic. Yeah, come. Yeah, I know whatever come on. Here's what I would say. I obviously terrible look for canes because it's just one thing stacked on top of another stack on top of another. Here we know Billy Preston got paid by deed to go to Kansas. We know that Sylvia Sousa got paid by deed is to go to Kansas. We know that Keynes's tried to pay the Andre Eytan to go to. The deed is tried to pay the eight and to go to Kansas. Now we got Curtis towns and who's been side by side with Bill for a long, long time. You know saying, hey, listen, that's what it takes to get it done, then we're gonna have to get it done. Now. I do think there's a way out for Curtis and I'll get to that in a moment. But obviously like commonsense suggests that. They were willing to play ball here and actually anxious to play ball here. And when you combine it with everything else, it paints the picture. I hope Kentucky fans listening of a program that has been. Cheating for a while. To enroll prospects to win, big, twelve title after big twelve title after big, twelve title. I don't care what the incident does decanes going forward Bill Bill self coaches forever and never again if towns on that staffer ever and never again, this is going to be part of the Kansas legacy now it's not just going to be like, Lou. It's amazing fourteenth straight, big, twelve titles. It will always be hit with. Yeah, but same like it's amazing Barry Bonds at seventy home runs yet, but that's always going to be a part of this thing. Now that's done. That's been settled over the past three weeks in a courtroom in in in lower Manhattan. But I think the larger issue here is, is Duke because like like I said earlier, the reason I didn't write to look at Kansas cheating column earlier this week is because like we've been through that. We discussed it at link the week before it was nothing new. They're bringing Duke and UNC in Kentucky for that purposes, that column that was the new stuff. And for the purposes of this exchange design Williamson ending up at Duke thing. That's really the focal point because here's what we know. We know that according to Merle code anchored Townsend because the way the conversation actually started, I think you misquoted new tributed the first two tomorrow. It was actually Curtis. Curtis said, hey, but between me and you, you know, he asked about some stuff and I said, well, we'll talk about that. You decide. And then code said, I know what he's asking for. So they are both Merle code and town to people who have been involved in the recruitment have dealt with the presumably stepfather moral from South Carolina, just like Zion. By the way late at Clemson, which was very much involved in trying to get the only time clemson's actually been competing with Duke for a recruit like a major recruit. Correct. And so you got two people involved in the recruitment who both think that Zan stepfather again, presumably stepfather has got his hand out. He wants job, he wants to house or somewhere to live. He wants cash and his pocket is what these people think. That's what we know. We also know that we know there's a seller. We know there's a seller. Follow me here. We also know there's a buyer canes is already said, we'll buy Curtis towns on wiretaps and that's what we gotta do, then that's what we're going to do what figure it out. So we know we got a her. We know we got a buyer and then we know we went to Duke now, is it possible that Zion, Williamson stepfather wanted to sell Zay on that a blue blood program, like Kansas stepped up and said, we'll buy on, but then they just rejected it all and decided to go to Duke at the last minute for absolutely nothing more than what's allowed by NCAA rules. Perhaps perhaps that is exactly what happened. If you talk to the Duke staff that they will tell you, yes, that's what happened. But who's gonna believe that outside of people who want to believe it because. They're blue devils for life. I mean, do you think do you think the casual basketball fan thinks that Zion Williams and stepfather was trying to sell Zaylon that Kansas was willing to buys ion and that Zion, Dan just went allowed by stepfather to Duke at the last minute in a surprising move for nothing more than what's allowed by the rules. It's tough sale. Yes, extremely tough sell and to be clear, no one thinks that Merle code is hitting up Mike shoshefsky and saying, listen, if you went on, if you want it on a on, you know the family wants cash in the pocket. They're going to need some jobs. We're gonna have to talk about housing. I gotta get this done with you. No one is going to make sure chef ski and saying that it's just not happening there. The channels, frankly weren't set up to be like that because moral code is working on behalf of Diaz which is a discrepancy. That should be pointed out here. But as we head toward the season Zion, Williamson now forever attached to this story is the most famous person college basketball right now, and he hasn't played a game. And that's an inaugural point from a social media standpoint, from the fact that he has been tracked through highlights on television viral social media for three years. Now, the way that he plays the way that he looks frankly, we have tendency to say this, but this is true. We have never seen a player like Zion, Williamson enter major college basketball or just say college basketball over all, because he's that big that athletic. And when you look at someone built like him, you don't expect him to do the things he does to jump ac- does to be forcefully until make it look as effortlessly as he does. So we have all of this entering a season and Duke players are always going to face hate whenever they go to erode environment, especially in the, but now you're gonna have a situation where Williams probably going to be the the most played song on the radio. If you will, from November through March, and you're gonna have a. A bunch of people bringing signs in the game, asking how much he paid to go to Duke. This is going to be something that I do think will be a throwing undercurrent for Duke season throughout the year. I would. I would expect that as we speak right now. Point. Well, taken and well hurt on your compliance thing GP, but I would expect that because of the publicity that all of this brought, they are crossing their t.'s and dotting their is regarding Zion, Williamson's legitimacy as a prospect that said, he's not gonna miss a game. I don't expect that to happen if it did obviously qualify as a major headline and now, yeah, Duke has a little bit of taint to this story as well because of how he was brought into this. And you're asking us to make a big leap to suggest that if if billion dollar corporations, we're working to get him to play at one school, why would others not be doing the same as gas Nola testified under oath? Yes, of course. Nike Under Armour work for their biggest schools the same way that we were tasked to do with deeds. Yeah, and I want to be fair to design on because I think it's possible if not likely that he had no idea, fair to him, perish this. This is it's not his doing. He's going to be attached to it, but you're absolutely right, right. Like Brian. Junior, I don't believe knew what Brian bone senior was doing. And I think it's probably true that if Zion stepfather was shopping Zion, probably didn't know if only because speaking as a father, if I were trying to profit off my teenage kid, like I have a teenage son, and if he were immensely talented, basketball prospect, and I was trying to profit off of him and guide him to a certain university in exchange for whatever. I don't think I would want him to know that. So I would assume that even though Zion is going to get everything, you just described a more. He probably had literally nothing to do with this, and that's unfortunate. But like it is also. It's also a reality. Yes, I believe that Duke will look into this if only so that they can say that they did, but here's the way that goes down. I would assume, you know, this is this would be very different. If Zion stepfather was on a wiretap with moral code, talking about what he wants or Zion, step fire with father was on a wiretap Kurtis Townsend talking about what he wants this to other people talking about what Zion stepfather wants. And when duke's compliance people come to me, you know what I say I go. I don't know where they got that from. I don't know why Kansas coach thought I had my hand out, but he's wrong. And I don't know why in a deed is executive head thought I had my hand out, but he was wrong. Perhaps there the deed is executive was saying that because this was expecting to get Zion there because Dita's had been so heavily involved with us, but my son wanted to go to and I wasn't going to stand in his way even if we'd had a great relationship with the deed is so for Dita's to have to. To to, to rationalize that to a Kansas staff that wanted my son, they have to imply that that well, it was a dirty deal, but it wasn't a dirty deal. And I, I'm highly offended that anybody would suggest otherwise. Now I don't believe any of that. But if you say it, what happens next, right? I mean, it's the onus is on the university to really take action in that case. And that's just not going to happen. One last thing on this before I move on parish. Forty and family did write a story that said, hey, listen, you know, remember the Cam Newton situation when his his father was found to have been shopping for hundred eighty thousand Mississippi State. And then this new rule came into place. I actually don't know if that would apply here either this Cam Newton rule where it basically says, even if the player the student athlete doesn't know. But you know, the services are being shopped out there on behalf of that player. Without his knowledge. The player can be ruled ineligible by family member. I don't even know if this is this is really getting into it, but like this is not. This is not his biological father. I don't even know if he technically Zayn LIAM's stepfather. Would even qualify as technical guardian. So even if you're thinking that might be a possibility, there could be the loophole in that he does. He didn't. He lied implying those situations. He was just someone in a certain spot that if you're if you're clinging the notion that Duke is going to get railed for this, Williamson is going to be eligible in the Cam Newton. Rule is gonna come into play. Well, there are more even reasons why you should be skeptical that that is going to happen. Overall. We'll see what makes you chef ski says at SEC media day next week, he'll obviously be asked about this. He might be asked to follow up his comments, his blip comments, and we'll see with a few days time and potentially with a verdict in on this trial, what his thoughts are then. Couple more things you're exactly right. Like listen, if Duke didn't trouble for Corey Magaji Orleans Thomas or the idea that Nike funded Marvin Bagley grassroots team that was built for him and run by his father, an immense amount of money, several hundred thousand dollars. If like in that just sort of disappears, if nothing comes to that stuff, I'll be shocked if anything comes this. I don't think duke's going to get in any trouble, but I did want to touch on Curtis downs and then make a larger point before we move on. I'm into earlier. There's maybe a way for Curtis towns out of this, and I would assume it's it's by explaining his words this way because what Curtis downs and says that it's the incriminating parties has. No, he says, I've got to just try to work and figure out a way because if that's what it takes to get him here for ten months, we're going to have to do it some way in quote, I imagine what Kurds listen, I wanna be clear. It is what it is like. He ain't nobody's gonna trick me by pretending that something other than what it clearly is. But if you try to save your job, you just say, listen, this is what we do. You know, we live in a world of bullshit like you get these people on the phone. And even if you have no intentions of of of doing what it is suggesting needs to get done, you just trying to keep them on the hook. You know, you just trying to stay in the game and like you hope at the end of the day, you can with more time and in education you can convince these people like you don't need to go down this path like kids were twenty. Dollars in eight months. Be smart about this. And so, yeah, I said, hey, you know. This is what is going to take, then we're going to have to do it some way. But when I do it some way, I just meant like just keeping a ballgame, and we'll figure this out down the road, but I never did anything. We ain't the ones that ended up was I on Williamson, and I think maybe just maybe you can. You can survive that again, nobody believes it, but it it's, it's at least in an explanation. In the last point I wanna make on this sort of big picture as it relates to Duke because undeniably it's bad. Look, Duke. We know we got a seller. We know we got a buyer and it's not like the buyers depaul. It's not like Zion Williams and had a two thousand dollar offer to downplay the post to. Paul has been playing in this thing by the way because it's now to talk at depaul 's pulse, moving and shake with man. There's there's some serious drama going down in Chicago right now, and I think we needed Kate some more time to Paul on the whole on this podcast because we cannot overlook just just how much they've been involved in this actually been one of the more comical things that have. Gone on trial to realize Paul depositing the money back game. I thought that was a pretty revealing. Interesting. Okay. Let's say another program that doesn't have a strong history success. Maybe Penn State is that like zion's, father, stepfather's at going, listen, I want money. I want a job. I wanna house and Morocco's like, all right. Listen, I'm looking around for and I got a can get you all that stuff from Penn State. You turn Clemson turn down to go to Penn State. We got you covered. He's like, oh, man, you've been Penn State. Ain't trying to move to the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania, and I'm not kidding playing at Penn State on big ten network every night like what which is go to do for for a scholarship and cost of attendance Daiva that anyone happened here like they turned him, like cases was willing to deal. That's what the, that's what the that's what the wiretaps shows. I mean, it's Kansas. It's one of the top five programs in America won fourteen consecutive big, twelve title one initial championship, you know, in the past decade got hall of fame coat. So it ain't like they. Turn down whatever the radically to go to Kansas, which was willing to deal according to the wiretap to go to a bad look for Duke. But also all of this is kind of. It's it puts Kentucky in a tough spot as well. And here's one again. While cafes everywhere, just through their phone across the gym across the living veered off side of the road when you do that continue. Follow me here. Follow me here. I'm not accusing anybody of anything. Right. Quote me. Fair. Here's what I'm saying. What we've learned over the past year, but especially in the past three weeks, is this. A borderline twenty five kick and get one hundred thousand dollars from his shoe company. That's Brian Bowen junior from Adidas. So we know like that's what that's what the market is for. At least that top twenty five kid. What's a tough, I'd worth top ten keyboard. I don't know, but like we know what a top twenty five kid got. We also know that Lula was willing to buy. That Kansas willing to buy. And basically everybody's been calling a water hall is willing to buy perish. The Paul is willing to buy and everybody says, Aaron is wounded by anybody. I mean that to me, that's still the funniest thing every time a prospect comes up. It's like little Arizona dude at a Brian Bowen. Yeah, airs Ono by him, like just air Zona according to people on the wire, whether it's book Richardson or anybody eras Ona's ready to deal. So here's what we know. We know that these players are were something and we know that some of the best programs in America luvell Keynes's Arizona are willing to deal and yet for the past five years in much of the past decade the top players in the country, the number one and number two recruiting classes in the country. Basically every year have been Duke and Kentucky. So again, I'm not accusing anybody of anything, but what what the facts are asking people to believe is that some of the best programs in America. Oh, are willing to buy these top-shelf players? And yet the best of the best are still going to Kentucky for nothing in violation of incidentally rules and Duke for nothing in violation of instable rules. I just find that interesting. I'm not trying to put anybody in a postseason ban or anybody fired, and I'm accusing about if anything, but like that is an interesting thing to consider, isn't it. Yeah, you're you're basically setting up a situation in which Duke and Kentucky because of their hall of fame coaches because of the fact that they are the two most powerful programs, biggest brand names in college basketball, they're able to override to supersede any sort of nefarious recruiting activity merely because of the coaches that run the programs and the and the allure of you come to us your one and done. You're going to be a lottery, pick first round pick. You're going to be set up your family for decades essentially, and that alone is enough to office gate them from any sort of bad recruiting activity, which you can believe that believe that if you want. But what I can't ask anyone to believe is that Nike doesn't seriously have the massive wheels and gears of its own economy set up to benefit both of those programs greatly directly or indirectly. And it remember that is what TJ guests Nola testified in in court. Art, and it also what TJ guests Nola is on text message exchange saying to to Bill self, and you would think somebody like gas Nola would probably know something like that. Again. It doesn't mean that anything can be proven. It doesn't mean that anybody's about to be ruled ineligible. It's just an interesting thing to consider. Let's move on. Another interesting thing that happened in court this week is a wiretap exchange was red and exchange was between will weigh the coach and Christian darkens. The wanna be agent ambitious, somewhat sloppy, hustler, and so the wiretap captures this computation conversation again without context. But this is what was reading court Christian dock and says to we'll way. So you said to me in Atlanta, there was a two thousand nineteen kid I wanted to recruit, they can get him to LSU. You would have fund, you would have funded. Let me start that over. So you said to me in Atlanta, there was a two thousand. There was a two thousand nineteen kid I wanted to recruit, they can get him to LSU. You would have funded. Would you want? Bossom and balsa is balsa Caprivi class of two thousand nineteen top seventy five kid. We'll wait ask, oh, the big kid doc and says, yeah, and we'll wait responds. Okay. But there's other. Blank involved, and I'm not sure everybody assumes that the blank which is an expletive is there's other s involved, but I'm not sure that's not. There's other MFA involved in it s involved in it or there's other investors involved in it either way, the points the same, but there's other blink involved in it. I have got to shut my door. Here's my thing. I can get you what you need, but it's got to work in quote what essentially that is, again, we're not gonna play dumb for the audience or for we'll, it seems to be that. Will ascend the Christian dockings who's out there? Just hustling. Nonstop is saying, I can get you balsa Caprivi data. But like, here's what we need and we'll say, and I can get you what you need. But we gotta we gotta work. Obviously this, I think, came out in court the day before SEC media day will was asked about it. Predictably at SEC media day and among other things. He said, I have not done business of any kind with Christian doctrines, and I think that was a carefully worded statement because balsa has not committed LSU thank God for we'll wait. Otherwise it'd be an even bigger problem. So he can. I think reasonably say, I still I'd never done business with with with with Christian Dawkins and that probably technically true. But it doesn't mean he was not calling the wiretap. Suggesting that he will do business with Christian dock. And so again, when you combine it with the fact that Sports Illustrated or Yahoo, one of the two right or wrong wrote earlier this calendar year that the civile was already looking into LSU's recruiting tactics and combine it with the fact that they went into New Jersey and got the top kid, they went into Connecticut and got water, both of which are like not normal recruitment. It's like it doesn't paint. It doesn't paint a great picture. Yeah. And Wade said that he was, he found it a little bit surprising quote, his words that is named brought up in the trial which might be true to him. He knew that he was caught on wiretap. So every time that you have a conversation, it's gone wiretap. The government has x. amount of days I think it's thirty days post post capture of the conversation. You have to be notified of that. So he knew that he had been caught talking to doctors and maybe there are other people, maybe they're multiple conversations with, I don't know. But he knew at the very least that this conversation was caught on wire. App. So I don't that also he knew that because I knew like before the Trump and got started, it was reported among the names that could come up in this trial was Bill self and this and this and this. But it was also LSU we'll wait. It was like it was announced. I mean, literally nast in court. So like I did not know that to be surprised that your name came up has kind of. I mean, I like will. But that's kind of silly, right? I was a little silly and LSU now needs to do Justice. What Kansas is doing and Duke is doing and ever the school and will still has more questions to answer here. Obviously, his his statement was worded very carefully. I have no doubt that that was vetted with a number of his bosses if not a personal attorney or two as it probably should have been. Very well could be telling the truth says, we've never done any sort of business Christian Dawkins. Maybe that's the case. We'll see what happens with LSU there by the way. Trump waters. You mentioned, you know, we think he sets up this is a quick TS to what's coming as a top fifteen player in the country. LSU is a ranked team in the preseason. They are. They should be pretty good this year for as good as people thought they were going to be with Ben Simmons and that didn't happen. I think she's got a good shot of being that good with Trump waters, freshman, Nasreen and others. This year wouldn't surprise me though. This particular story might linger and and be attached at the ankle will wait as the season goes along. One more thing in the context of that call though between talk ins and weighed, you know, disposition details are different, but what was put forth again, this was by the defense trying to get in front of the jury and the judge saying, no, you're not bringing this fourth. This is a side. We're not even. I don't even get why the judge makes these parish. I don't get it. I don't get why he says like, this isn't relevant to the case that we have on trial here, but that's a whole 'nother matter. But what this all is, this reminds me of parish. You know what? This reminds me of the fact that there was a report that dock ins talked to Shawn Miller. In what you might have had in that conversation, even if what was reported wasn't entirely accurate. We still don't know if it was under present accurate, not accurate at all because those tapes never got played that transcript. Never got even brought up by the fence. None of that even came up this trial, but you might go into to Shawn Miller and saying de'andre eight and the big kid. You know, what can we do to get this done, cetera, et cetera. And it could have been Miller kind of just doing what you explain Townsend was doing Merle code and just saying, we gotta take these calls like you can't just get that. The thing is brought up f, you hang up the phone and we're done. You got a massage the here in this business. So darkens was doing with way there, I think is exactly what was tempting to do with Miller. Oh, I, in fairness, I think that the way that the initial story by SPN was reported was wrong. That's why Shawn was able to come out and say in a very detailed carefully worded way that never happened, but we do know that Christian Dhaka's on a wiretap show. Miller. And I think if that that that I'm assuming that if that call is ever played in any of these trials or it's ever leaked or a transcript of it as ever provided. I do think that it'll be a bad look for Shawn Miller. He'll be, he'll say, I would assume that he's on that wiretap saying something. Not unlike what we'll wait said or Curtis towns and said, even if it wasn't necessarily about the Andrea. Yeah. I think that I think that wraps up trial stuff. Right? She paid you last thing because some people have wondered how LSU's going to respond. LSU director, Joe Aleve released a statement. Think maybe yesterday. Just saying, we stand by willowy. We'd take this stuff seriously, but we stand by, we'll wait. So unless this is sort of trill with, I think all of the stuff unless something else comes out. I think everybody's going to be okay. It won't. They'll have some stink on them, and their names will have have been deemed, especially bills and Kurtis Townsend in Kansas program in general, which by the way we're recording, it was just announced has been picked to win the big twelve. Again, of course, by the coaches poll twelve media coaches, Paul. But I think I think probably everybody everybody's going to survive this so that that means that today is big, twelve media day perhaps. Is that right? Do we have that right? Actually, think of, I don't think I think it's next week, the twenty four? Okay. I only that up in case we're we're talking stuff and then Bill sell says one or two things just after we finish this that we don't address just wanted to listen. It's the twenty four next next Wednesday. So again, LSU standby. We'll wait Keynes's so far standing by Bill sell even LaSalle by Kenny Johnson. Like I, I think probably everybody's going to going to be okay unless something more comes out, let's move on to some some basketball stuff. The NBA announced yesterday on Thursday that starting with the class of two thousand nineteen that the g. league is going to offer select elite prospects. One hundred twenty five thousand dollar. Contract to skip college and go straight to the g. league. Now I've had a lot of people ask some very basic questions. The answers are, are you going to do is read the right there, but whatever, for whatever reason, people have more time to ask you a question on Twitter than they do redistribute. No, it does not mean that somebody could be called up to an MBA franchise. What it would mean is let's just take the number one prospect in the class of two thousand nineteen James Wiseman. If James Wiseman sided, he didn't want to go to Kansas Kentucky Memphis, Florida state or Vanderbilt didn't wanna be a amateur athlete anymore. Wanted to go to the g. league could get one hundred twenty five thousand dollar contract and go to the league, but he would play for a g. league team, the entire season. And then he would enter the two thousand twenty in be draft just like he had played a year of college basketball. So that's what's on the table here. If you want it and we think you're worth it will give you one hundred twenty five thousand dollars to spend a season five months in the in the g. league and more or less what it does is provide an alternative to to going to college DEA. Think this is significantly think matters. I think it matters. I don't think it significant. I think it matters because it's good to give people that have no interest in going to college and option to make some real money and pursue their dream to get to the NBA and it's good that the NBA did this. I don't think it's significant. I don't think that offering one hundred twenty five thousand dollars to prospects to ride take long bus trips or to fly in coach to play in front of three hundred. Thirteen people on Tuesday night while the rest of college basketball in the NBA is broadcast across the country to millions upon millions of people. I don't think that alters the appeal or the viability of college basketball, one iota. I don't think that we're going to see more than two, three, four players in a given draft class are given high school class. I should say do this because a couple of things to consider this one super cynical and say, hey, one hundred twenty five thousand there are going to be guys. Whose families are making more than that, and they get to go to college and they get the exposure. So what are we really doing here too? I think we sometimes gloss over to easily the fact that colleges freaking awesome. And it was awesome for you and me perish. It's seventy four thousand times more awesome. In so many respects, if you're in peak physical condition, you are the big man on campus. You're one of the most famous people in your sport. You get to play on television and display your skill set fifteen twenty twenty-five thirty thirty times season. By doing that, you attach yourself to a fan base that will essentially love you forever. You get to eat out on that for the rest of your life. It obviously builds your brand in a way that the g. league can never possibly do it. Those games are not on television. And even if the league is somehow able to build a way in which it streaming on Twitter, other online things becomes a niche, super niche NBA, Twitter thing. It will not come close to the appeal or discussion point of major college. And then lastly, appoint that everyone has been making wake of this and I find appropriate yet somewhat ironic is that you've got concern if you wanna even call it that perish that eighteen year olds are going to step into the g. league and be, you know, be fighting with twenty three, twenty four, twenty six year olds who are dying to get onto an MBA roster who played in the NBA and are ready to kill to get back there. And because of that, that's not something you want to do to expose yourself, which I totally agree with, but oh, by the way, as we talk about that, that's why the rule is in place to begin with because the NBA and it's don't wanna scout highschool games and they don't wanna put these seventeen eighteen year olds right into the NBA immediately because these dudes more often than not. Obviously there are the exceptions, the Garnett's the Kobe's Dwight Howard's LeBron's that can step in and be a factor right away. But most of the time you're going against not even twenty five year olds like twenty nine year old eight year nine year vets that are just going to kick your ass. So it's great that the option is out there, but if you know and there was a lot. Stuff made about this as there should have been, but this is not going to impact college basketball significant way. This is not going to be what drags eight of the twelve. Most prominent players given high school class every single year out of college basketball and into the g. league. It's a big headline insignificant story because what the NBA is going to consider a quote unquote elite prospect worth. This is exactly the type of kid who hang on a thing is worth it, and the reasons are all for the reasons you just stated. I'll start with your last one. I the risk of exposure. Like if you are projected top five pick and you don't get exposed in the subsequent year, coming in high school, you're going to be a lottery pick you just are. And then as you're worth millions and millions of dollars, why would you risk of that? Why would you risk that that status by going and playing against grown ass man, you know, there's a big difference between an eighteen year old twenty five year old twenty eight year old. Like. Even the elite eighteen year olds would have a hard time playing against grown men like that for you know, game after game after game. So why would you wanna take one hundred twenty five thousand dollars. If it's going to cost you five million, no way you got nothing to do, but, but but hurt yourself by going and doing that. You're not going to be a project top-five pick go to the g. league and and help yourself. I don't think so. Just stay away from it beyond that like that life is miserable. Like the the grizzlies have g. league affiliate. That's also in the area call the Memphis hustle. My point being that I'm often like leaving Memphis international and I'm on planes not often, but sometimes and I'm playing with Chile teams. You know, they plant flying charter. They're on the same delta flights. I'm on except guess what? They ain't getting bumped up the first class. So there's Matt Costello with the Austin Spurs. Three to beat like I bring that up actually seen him get on the plane. Six, nine, Matt Castillo who've been traveling, charter planes charter planes charter planes nonstop at Michigan state for years. Now, he's playing in the g. league. He's on thirty to be scrunched between like some lady and like some three hundred pound man, and they got collect go for Memphis to Atlanta and Atlanta Austin like that ain't fun. And then they do it to play in front of three hundred people not on TV like contrast that with being a player at a freshman at Duke. You live in a wonderful situation. Meals are perfect and provided every day you're getting top-shelf coaching from a hall of Famer plus the training staff. All of that stuff is like top shelf, charter, everything, five star hotels. You know, Matt Costello stayed in the Fairfield in if he's lucky. RJ Barrett this year gonna be staying in a five star hotel or the best hotel in every city that they've visit. Charter planes national television, packed arenas. Everywhere you go. It's just a, it's a crappy way to live if you can live the alternative. And so I still think college is going to be a preferable route for for for most of the guys that the NBA would consider worthy of these contracts for again. And you mentioned this the marketing perspective as well. Kevin Durant coming out of high school just too skinny. Uniquely talented, tall, basketball player coming out of Texas. He's worth eighty million dollar Nike contract because he was on big Monday every week, balling out. He became a brand in that one year in college now that didn't happen for everybody, but it happened for him and it can't happen. It ain't happened in the league Ewing. Go build a Brown, a Bill to brand played in for the Memphis hustle. So there's a million reasons to just go to college rather than take this deal. And if you are the type who still wouldn't wanna go to college like Adrian Wootton ask, you pointed this on Twitter yesterday you'd be. Better off just saying, I'm going to sit out and train for year if your top ten pick because there's no risk of exposure just do what. What's the big kid who was committed to Lester Robinson. Yeah, just do what he did and sit it out, and there's really no. Risk of exposing yourself now he dropped Robinson did for variety there. Yeah, exposed by grown men in the g. league. So you'd be better off just saying, I'm gonna sit out for year and guess what? By the way, you could probably sign with an agent right? Outta high school, sit out a year. That agent would pay for you to train all your long and if you needed one hundred twenty five thousand dollar loan interest Frey, sure. They'd be happy to give it to you and you've probably never have to pay it back. You want to know the truth. So there's a meal. If you really after one hundred twenty thousand dollars, there's a lot smarter ways to get it. The nego- joined the g. league and risked being exposed. And that's why I think an academic casualty if a top ten player, somebody who's not gonna get into school and be eligible, he might do it. But how many of those are the really and and that's about it. I do not think James Wiseman Vernon, Carey coin, any are going to be playing in the g. league next year. I think they're going to be playing college basketball next to her act. Absolutely. And they will be on our all three of those guys. Will be on our top one hundred and one listed the best players in college basketball that published this week on the site. Let's wrap up this parish. I'm going to run down our top ten real quick. Just give a heads up, probably put a link to this in the podcast post. Check it out and CBS sports dot com or just go right to the link. Check our Twitter feeds. Obviously, we've been tweeting about it this week. This is your heads up about who to know going into the season. If you love this podcast and you stuck with us through more than seventy minutes shout to you and Chaz to Devon downing shouts to paradigm for you and you can obviously repeat in a bit here still Arnelle who I hope is listening to because these are obvious for the people that want to know about this, but probably have decent idea. It's not a great year. I will say this. I Williams by far the most famous player entering college basketball as a freshman, which is notable RJ Barrett. We have number one, he's going to be the best player. Parachute our full agreement on that, and there are recognizable players, but I actually think the sport this something that happens every year. Of course I'd just as we were building this out and I looked at twenty five. I was like, damn, like there are people that we know about. But from a casual perspective, this will change as we get to January and February. But there's a lot of names that a lot of people don't know. Here's our top ten Barrett at Duke is one Carson Edwards at Purdue, who I think is going to average twenty twenty four points. Pileups assists and just be a straight up baller. He's number two. We've got Luke maye at Carolina. Third, it's kind of remarkable how he's built his career into that status, Dietrich loss at Kansas. You might be saying, wait a second teacher, Clawson Dietrich loss. How do I know that name? Memphis GP. He sat out last year after transferring. We've got home from Memphis. This my little homie from nothing little Batum to Lawson as a beast of power forward, and he's going to stack up some big numbers. Kansas has a lot of options there. We think Dietrich Lawson is most likely to become the alpha on that team, and he's a stand out player just an absolute stud. Keep an eye on out for him. Caleb Martin is the better of the two Martin twins, Caleb and Cody. We've got Kayla Martinet, Nevada, number five, raining SEC player grant Williams number six. The first reigning SEC player of the year to return to the league after winning that award since Chris Lofton. Did it at Tennessee Tennessee? That's right. Seven is Ethan hap-. Got to put him in there. He's just an incredible low post player. Extremely efficient has obviously warranted a top ten ranking finish out eight, nine, ten with eight Chamari ponds. Total bucket getter. Saint John's is got sky-high expectations. The highest arguing a decade a half because Mustafa hair eligible, nine. We mentioned him on this podcast, writing the seer little, a freshman Ford at North Carolina, who's going to be really fun to watch. Maybe he winds up being even better than Luke maye. We don't reject that notion. We just think right now, Luke maye is, is a bit better than little little is obviously much better prospect overall. And the number ten actually ten eleven Trump waters and eleven, but ten toughest battle. And the way I described ties battle was he's the line of demarcation between what player was just maybe not going to go to the NBA and the best returning player in college basketball. Where does that line get built? It's Titus battle. He could've gone, could've been a first round pick and said he returns. So he's the best. Blend of that. Obviously, there's ninety one more players to go with that, but that kind of sets it up. If you're Zion, we have thirteen. Any thoughts or other players you wanna bring up for the listenership as we actually get to talk about some real basketball and head of the season here, perish only thought would be this. First off just the same way. I'm not going to argue with random wackos on Twitter about who I drink, who I've had a drink with. I'm not gonna argue with like wack about a list of one hundred one college basketball players. One of the weird things about social media is particularly Twitter. Is that because and please don't take this the wrong way, but that because people care what you think about everything they think you care about what they think about everything. And I say that to say, I don't care what you think about where your favorite basketball player should be. Ranked does not matter to me. I like, I'm not gonna argue if you think Carson Edwards is too high or John Morgan's too low, like it's fine with me. I tweeted a link to it twice and never tweeted another word about it. The only thing I the only time I was tempted to respond. Somebody was when this happened handful of times people took great offense to the idea that freshman will be right at the top of the list because he ain't never played no college basketball yet to. The list is is defined pretty clearly who are going to be the top one earner, one college basketball players in the country, this season. And though you could argue if you wanted to Carson should be one and RG bear. It should be two or g bear. It should be three like the idea that our debates at the top, nothing crazy about that. He's probably the most likely candidate to be the number one pick in the two thousand nineteen NBA draft. He destroyed team USA a couple of summers ago basically by himself. He gets to the rim when everyone's, he's awesome. He's going to be awesome Duke and I don't know why any of you morons think it would be sensible for us to wait until November. Sixth, after he puts twenty seven points on Kentucky and the champions classic to aknowledge that RJ Barrett is going to be awesome. Like he is going to be awesome whether he finishes as the national player of the year, which I guess on some levels suggest what number one to be. I don't know, but he's barring injury or major. Surprise going to be on the short list of most dominant and effective in notable college basketball players in the country this season, and I don't know why that's hard for some people to understand. I don't know that that is an annual thing with this list, but whatever at this point I'm like, you, I destroyed it off. I wanna get para some credit here because as we were building out this list, man, he was dropping legitimate names at deserve to be on this list from some mid major leagues so shouts to you. I'm not quite sure how you crowd source that or researched that, but that was a beautiful thing to see in our Email chain. As we built this out, we try our best to inform the public on just the names to know the guy should be excited about. And this year they're just happened to be number of dudes and smaller leagues who are going to be freaking awesome. Dylan, wind ler at Belmont. Chris Klemm is at Campbell is gonna probably end up as a top ten, if not top seven or eight all-time score in the history of college basketball, he's a little guy. He's frigging awesome. We've got him in our. Top forty and he deserves to be there. So keep a look on an eye out for that because some of the guys you see on that list, their teams are going to make it into the tournament. And one of the great things about that first week in particular is a small school with someone who's freaking awesome who goes off and even even if it's in a loss, you say, well, that was just a great two hours of my life because watch this this school really push it against the two, three, four, five seed, and that little dude or that unknown guy in the post there, he really took it to them. So keep keep an eye out for that. And I, I will say this if you carry us Duke Kansas, Kentucky, Gonzaga four programs for players piece on the list. They lead all schools Gonzaga in particular, though, has four in the top fifty. They're getting a lot of pub, but I think it's going to, by the time we get to Maui, then people are going to realize just how good this team is and why it really sets up in my opinion, even better than team that lost the title game to Carolina two years ago, I think what you meant to say was by the time GP gets to Maui. That's right. You're going to be out there, but. Can't wait to go to Maui, can't wait to sleep on that plane. So tired and this is a, this is a great chat with you. We saw each other all week, but I knew we had a ton to get to a long podcast. I hope our listeners appreciate it, whether you're listening to it Friday over the weekend, just no, we're gonna actually try and bump this up to twice a week before the season gets rolling with three times a week. I'm going to go into the trial early next week. I think the plan is barring some significant breaking before that, which we don't -ticipant. We will podcast after we get a verdict in this trial, if we get to Wednesday or Thursday without a verdict, God help us. I don't think that'll be the case, but obviously we're gonna play by ear and see how things and fold in downtown Manhattan. So you can expect to college basketball podcast next week to the following week. And then once the season gets going, we're going to be back on that three per week schedule. So shout the Devon down Shasta Chester, South Carolina just to tear them Intego the legend Shasta lar- now, remember to subscribe to the island college basketball podcast via apple podcasts rated favourably. Five stars and nice comments. Please do that force. It does elp and our bosses are impressed by. We had meetings done it for a lot of that. We mentioned that with our bosses and the response to the podcast in general, but especially over the past year has been incredible and it's not lost on on the people who employ us in. 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Taking you inside a contentious courtroom after a huge week in the federal corruption trial (10.12)

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Taking you inside a contentious courtroom after a huge week in the federal corruption trial (10.12)

"The. They're scary. Parachute Friday, October twelve, two thousand eighteen welcome back to the island college basketball podcast. Matt norlander is here with. I'm gonna talk to him and just a second. But first let me tell you about seatgeek buy tickets. Online can be complicated, but it doesn't have to be not when you use seek, and that's because seek what they do is they searched multiple ticket sites for you. That will, you know you're getting the best prices, you get the best to get the best value. You can find what you want. And then like two clicks later you're buying tickets could not be easier. For instance, let's say you try to go in l. c. s. l. c. s. you wanna see dodgers brewers, onc- Red Sox. Astros just go open up that gap. Did it earlier today, type in what you're looking for? Your options are going to pop up, pick your seats by 'em matter of seconds. It really is simple. Simple simple. So next time you need tickets to anything. Basketball, baseball, football concerts, anything go to seek. Geek and don't forget use the promo code college BB that's college BB you can get twenty bucks off your first seek purchase. So mixture use pro college PB next time you buy tickets via the CD gap or at seatgeek dot com. That seatgeek millions of tickets in one place. So I'm packing Memphis. I just landed after spending yesterday and beautiful Rosemont Illinois, big ten media day norlander is home in Connecticut, but he spent the past three days in lower Manhattan taking the trials, Jim gadoe, Merle code and Christian dock. And so let's just dive straight in. You've been in the courtroom. What's the scene in the courtroom? What's the biggest headline from New York City this week? Peirce. Good to be back with you and glad you're back safe and sound at home. Looking forward to seeing you in a few days down in Florida, the courtroom. I'm glad you bring it up with the courtroom because I do feel like there's so much to get to. I mean, I've got, I've got pages of notes here. Pears we could. We will not. But I, I literally could go four hour. On this on the past three days alone, I will say that within the courtroom dynamic and what you know we're watching play out versus what you're seeing tweets in reading and stories. A lot of it is correlating. But one thing in particular that I don't think is just yet and I'm gonna write a column on some of this that I that we're gonna publish. I think on Monday morning Trump get set to resume. So the prosecution is is right now it's bringing it's witnesses into the courtroom that Brian, Bonin, senior who will talk about he's a prosecution witnesses. Compliance directors are prosecution witnesses and TJ gas Nola is a prosecution witness who liked bow and senior cut a deal with the government in an effort not to be put into jail. Bowen cannot be prosecuted. In this case, he has that deal. Gas Knowle's is not exactly the same. So with all of that, as these prosecution witnesses are talking on the stand when they're speaking to the prosecution, the lawyers that are representing the federal government. In this case. The questions that are coming out from afar. It's it's almost a bit ironic. 'cause we're hearing a lot of the dirt. We're hearing a lot of the bad stuff that's going on, but that stuff needs to be established to build the prosecution and the government's case. And so when those people are on the standing facing direct examination, there isn't any sort of fight about giving up all the misty's that have been done. And yet when they are faced by the defense and their attorneys, obviously it's more stop and go. They're not as. They're the words, don't come out quite as fluidly because in part because they don't know what kind of questions are going to be entered, but also because they are on the side of the prosecution. And so with that, you've got. Some interesting moments from the defense to a lot of the a lot of the people that been called to the stand. But you also have a judge here, and this is what is not really seeped through yet. You've got a judge who is, you know, seeing all sorts of crazy crazy cases, judge Kaplan, he's seventy three years old. He is overseeing, you know, just million tens of millions hundreds of millions of dollars worth of fraud and insider trading and all sorts of stuff. So it isn't Shingo to try and get inside his head and wonder what he thinks about this case. And and while it stands on its own grounds, like he is handled just things of so much greater consequence. But the honorary Lewis Kaplan who sits at the at the front of the court. Here he is admonished. The defense a lot of lot. And while from afar it's, I'm with you parish. In that this case, just it seems like it's on flimsy ground. We've never seen anything like this before. And you know it's on the government to to prove that code ghetto in dockings. In this specific trial were guilty a federal crimes and defrauding the universities. The defense has not called it's witnesses yet and in advance of that you have judge Kaplan sustaining. I would venture ninety percent of the objections made by the prosecution meaning that when the prosecution objects do question the judge as you're correct, that question should not be using, it will not go and transcript won't be used on the record and the witnesses don't even get a chance to respond. And and so what you have here is a defense trying its best to not just paint a picture of the people that the prosecution's called and how they might not be reliable, how the testimony they're giving is not actually affectively helping the government's case. But you have the prosecution objecting to a lot of questions based on into w rules players that could have been paid players that TJ gas Nola co. That were fourteen fifteen sixteen years old that he gave money to those kind of questions are painting a certain scenario situation where the plight of teenagers and college athletes not getting paid. That's what the defense is trying to do. The judge is not allowing it. So from there the question becomes, what is the jury thinking about all this right now? Because if you are a juror and who knows what these people think, I will remind listeners that the jury was selected in part based on their general. I don't give a crap about college athletics. I don't follow it. I couldn't tell you, you know if Duke and and UCLA or in the same conference, I don't know all that kind of stuff. These are people that are not up to snuff on recruiting works, let alone college basketball on the whole. And so if you're a juror like that when you are watching the body language of the prosecutors and how the judges responding to the defense and how the defense lawyers are offering, sometimes meandering questions, things that are taking twenty to twenty five minutes to get to with Bank statements, and they're not really going anywhere if. If you were to judge basically only on that right now, you would say the prosecution is undeniably winning at this point. Now, the defense will have its chance to bring up it's witnesses and also add the witnesses for the defense are not going to be as a lengthy as the prosecution's. Basically the prosecution is hoping to wrap up by Tuesday and the defense thinks that it will be done by next Thursday. So it doesn't have a lot to go with their and from their closing arguments will obviously remain paramount. So before we get into some of the of what the of what guests Nolan bow and senior and perhaps some of the compliance directors, even though they weren't as exciting, but did offer some stuff there. I kind of wanted to lay that out free pair. I, there's not really much you respond to because it's from it's within the courtroom, but I did want to put forth that to you because it is interesting to sit in that courtroom for. I mean, God knows how many hours we do get some breaks here and there, and it's just it's just the defense punching up going up hill consistently. And it doesn't feel like the scoreboard is in their favor. This point. So when you say you feel like the prosecution's winning, do you mean that you think we're headed toward a guilty verdict? I will not say that yet for a couple reasons one because I don't know again how the jurors are taking all this information in which ways they may or may not be leading. But I do think we have to keep in mind that although this case has never been tried, we've not had a case like this before major college athletics where people are Houston, defrauding universities, and all this got to remember the rate in which prosecution successfully winds cases at this level is insanely high. So if you wanna dig your heels in on either side of the argument, I think you've got still a good shot right now at this case. And there is a possibility that when we get to next week in the defense calls, it's witnesses, and it's able to ask its line of questioning, presumably without much objection from the prosecution, and then the tables get turn and the prosecution's got to go after the defense's witnesses who we don't know yet. I don't know who's going to be called, perhaps the judge will be. Similar in tone and message? The prosecution that he's been to with the defense. I don't see that necessarily being the case he is considered a conservative judge as is. So I think that's the one part of this case that we haven't seen disgust yet. That is a very heavy element in the courtroom and it could prove why next week could be pivotal. They also, you know, one of the, the idioms, I guess, of of, you know, major major court cases and just going to trial as jurors have tendency to make their decisions based on how they feel about the attorneys, not necessarily the people on trial or the witnesses or the judges or anything. How how the attorneys handle themselves ask the questions, the questions they ask, how the address the jury that can sometimes have a very influential affect on juries as a whole. And at this point with what I saw on the court this week, I would, I would say that the prosecution is coming out looking better than the defense. One thing. Would point out because somebody pointed out to me, you mentioned that the the feds have conviction rate. That's that's. That's astronomically high. I know you didn't use that word, but it it is. It's above ninety percent. That's what you always hear. If the the feds have a conviction rate above ninety percent, somebody emailed me and said that is technically true, but somewhat misleading because that includes all of the cases where people just they don't even go to try. Okay, win. When you actually go to trial, it's about a coin. Flip situation is what I was told from guilty night guilty perspective. So the feds, if they charge you, they're going to get a conviction against you at a rate above ninety percent because most people realize I'm, I'm eft, there's nothing I can do. We just gotta reach a deal. I can't go to try get no chance of winning. But for the people in rural coach got and Christian doctrines would would fall into this category. For the people who actually say, you know what? We can beat this. We're going to go to trial. Then it becomes like a coin flip situation of whether you were found ultimately found guilty or not guilty. That's at least what I was I was, I was told, I do think that's that's worth pointing out. Ultimately, I, it seems the defense is just going to try to argue these aren't crimes, and whether that will resonate with the jury or not. How could we know it does resonate with me, but I'm somebody who cover college athletics for twenty years. To the people in the jury are. I was talking to somebody the other day. I was like, you have to understand based on what I've read about the the jurors like they might not know who John Calipari. Correct. Like if you like, like if you said, hey. What who do you think's going to be good in college basketball this year, they'd be like, no, I don't know. Hey, who thinks better recruiter might she's just your John Kerry. Who are those people again, where do they coach like these people come to this case from a from a place where it is completely opposite where we come from, like we have an understanding of college basketball in the in the characters involved, and they just don't. And so that that's what makes it so difficult to try to predict how this is resonating with them. But I know how it resonates with me. I. I don't pretend to be illegal mind, but the argument that these are insead violations not broken laws that resonates with me as far as what happens with gadoe code Christian ins guilty, not guilty. Well, we'll see. And one of the points I've made consistently as that. They're the ones on trial. So they matter in that way. But ultimately, what matters to people who would listen to college basketball podcast is like, what happens to the schools involved who gets roped into this? And from that perspective, I would imagine though there's nobody connected to Kansas on trial here and nobody can act to Arizona on trial here. It's not been a good week for Kansas and AirAsia. Would you agree with that? I would agree with that. It has not been a good week for those schools hasn't been a good week for NC state. When you've got a government witness admitting to paying the families and or guardians of five college athletes, one of whom is still active. That is Silvio Susa at Kansas. It's not a good look at something that you have to overcome from public relations standpoint. And frankly, it's something that they none of those schools ever fully will overcome overall. So that is, I think that is a pretty big takeaway from this week parish within the within the details of all that we can. We can get into that and what these witnesses have said. But I think that the damage done under oath under testimony, some of which has already been the evidence of which has already been corroborated others evidence which still needs to be. I do think ultimately, you will see sanctions put on these programs, but as a reminder to listeners, those sanctions will not come into later in my opinion because this trial on its own is its own entity, but. The story. The case also connects the other two trials. And I do not think you'll have a situation which the incidentally I even allowed to do this by the federal government, but to would even want to do this because it wants to see what comes out in the truck person trial. And then the other three assistance whose trial will begin in mid April of twenty nineteen. So you're right. It hasn't been a good week overall. Do you like? I don't really know where to go here. I mean, I can. I can stop here for second on on Kansas and Arizona because they're Phaetons and I haven't even I really tweeted about it, but they're Phaetons. Both schools are like interpreting what's happening in this courtroom way differently than the rest of the country. Like, you know, at Kansas, they're saying, see, TJ guess Nola says, Bill self didn't know, and Kurtis Townsend didn't know and nobody knew, but you've also got TJ saying, you know, in a report I told Bill self were like, we're. Here to help, you know, like. Perhaps he just meant like with, you know, encouragement in in whatever, but like we're here to help coming from TJ gas Nola. Means a certain thing, I think. And then at Zona they're like, okay, the eight and got some money, but it came from a Dita's and we're Nike school and and standing up saying, see, they're still nothing that shows we did anything wrong. And I know there's still nothing that technically in undeniably shows that you did anything wrong, but best I can tell every single person who's caught on a wiretap is saying airs Ona's buying any anybody, hey, Nazeer little zonal pay Brian Bill Ayers, Ono pay. Andrea eight, and they end up with with with with the Andrea Eytan. And by the way, I know that the only money connected eight at this point, it's fifteen thousand dollars that TJ Nola gave lar- nail his buddy, which is the funniest thing in the world to me like just learn just getting fifteen thousand dollars from TJ when de'andre junior in high school. But I mean, so what are we assuming that Adidas gave deandre eight and circle fifteen grin? And then he went to a non school for free. I mean, maybe maybe, but like you wouldn't believe it about anybody else. If if if that's what you believe, if you're Zona fan, you wouldn't believe it if the same story was about UCLA just sort of flies in the face of common sense that he'd get fifteen thousand dollars from Adidas and then go somewhere other than at Adidas school for zero like that. I don't know. I didn't know it would be approve anything but like that doesn't really make sense. And the idea that you know you could be getting Billy Preston, dodge charger, TJ gas Knowle's involved in paying same thing. Desouza involved like really be completely in the dark. Again, it's possible nobody will be able to prove this stuff what somebody did and did not know, but it sure looks certain way. I guess that's my point, certainly. And there was a moment on the stand with guests Nola where he was asked about Nike and Under Armour and the nature of their business as it was similar to what it was doing guests Nola was doing and. I don't have the question in my notes that was asked to him, but the nature of the question was basically getting at, you know, at at certain times, was your opinion, in your opinion of your colleagues in the and what's what's been referred to as the black ops group, which was a handful of this employees that were in the know to varying degrees of paying players in their families. All right. You know, was it your understanding that this was happening at Nike under armor, and this created a competitive environment to recruit players and Gasol obviously replied, yes to that. So it stands to reason that any of the players that have been paid and and have been said under oath to have been paid or their families have. If they wound up another spots, you know, you'd have to be. I'm being generous with my language. You'd have to be completely naive to think. Stop here. I'll ask you the question. Does it make any sense to you? Because here's what we know matter-of-fact has Nola gate the Andre eight and circle of friends specifically Laura now who I love fifteen grand because it make any sense the Andrea eight and then went to a non Adidas school for free, make any not stand to reason perish. It just doesn't make sense. It does not. It doesn't. Okay. And I, I wouldn't be surprised. You and I will be in Florida. So just disclosure for the listeners, I will not be at the trial Monday through Wednesday of next week. Thursday, we'll see goes, but it wouldn't surprise me if if more about eight and came up next week, I think that there is the possibility for that. All right. You wanna get into the gas Nola stuff here. I mean, Boeing seniors got some good stuff. There's even stuff that I didn't tweet about that. I didn't get into my stories. One of which is code and pairs. I'm buried in my notes here. It's code and I think doc ins on a wiretap call and they're discussing the fact that they don't know who one of these guys is in this deal. And the guy is the undercover agent and code is talking about how uncomfortable he is. Man wears this quote, I gotta find it. He's basically saying, I don't know who this guy is. I can't find anything about him on the internet and that you know he's he's dropping curse words in that FM scares me basically. So at a certain point, they. Yeah. Got it right here. Hold on. Let me just read this part here. This is a call in July twenty four, two thousand seventeen between Christian doctrines and moral code. Again, both defendants in this case, they have a meeting on the twenty eighth and twenty ninth upcoming with the undercover officer who obviously they don't know to be the undercover officer. And this is co talking to dock insists as you and I need to protect ourselves. You and I need to get some background info on this guy. And the guy's name is Jeff code. We need to do some real digging. I just don't wanna be in no BS. You need to use extra caution. And then cogos I look up this guy's name and I can't find nothing on them. That s is really, really concerning to me. And then coach starts getting to how he knows some some private investigators that he can get to look into and remember this July twenty fourth. So we are still two months out from the case breaking. This is in the middle of the line. Recruiting period or near the end of it, I should say, and it's it's just damaged or thing. But it didn't really fit into the stories. I was writing code also says I can pay somebody who's got access to like the how the federal government can look people up. I don't. I don't need to see. Effing pictures of him at home or anything, but we can look into this guy. So you already had the defendants in this case and they're being wiretapped unbeknownst to their knowledge at this point. Code at the very least starts to suspect something is up. And the interesting thing about code dock ins guests Nola gadoe whose name is like at the top of the ledger on this trial, but who to this point through a lot of wiretap phone calls and text messages gadoe does not display outright panic or suspicion at things he's not like happily naive and just like he's not doing that. But you get a lot of like gas Nola pissed off that dockings is talking about the one hundred thousand dollar payment to try and follow me here listeners. 'cause I know there's a lot of characters to James, Brad. Augustine. If that name rings a bell, he wasn't AAU coach in Florida who coached Nasiri little will James Brad, Augustine gets wind from Christian doctrines that Brian Bowen's family was paid one hundred thousand dollars to go to Louisville. And now James read, Augustine is trying to build up his own AU program and. In doing that trying to get rich off of selling the seer little potentially to AirAsia or Miami. So James, Brad, Augustine approaches TJ gas Nola at Adidas nations in two thousand seventeen they I believe it's the first time they've ever met. Okay. So he goes up to gas Nolan for those who don't know gas Nola. This is a guy who looks the part. He's at a central casting. We've seen him at these summer events every year since we've been doing this essentially and he's he's like six, four to sixty with the goatee like you. You know, he, he looks the part and just to picture this coach going up to say, listen, man, I know the deal that was set up with Bowen. I think we might. You might be able to get some sort of same accommodation here for little at cetera, et cetera, gas Knowle's thrown because he then goes and talks on a wiretap call and says, this guy knew the deal with Bowen. He knew the number and I sure as held it and tell them any accuses Dawkins correctly. So of running his mouth on this. And so gas Nola starts to get panicked because when you're doing this, obviously, you need to keep the circle of SRI tight and it's caught on Texan. Wiretaps gas Nola saying the only people that know about this me and you referring to dockets, ghetto and code. He also says Kenny Jonsson, but dockings refutes that Kenny Jonsson knows. So that is actually a dangling threat. We don't know really the truth there, whether or not I don't even know what I believe whether he did or did not know guessing testifies that he didn't that Patino didn't know the defenses trying to establish that Patino does. No. But that was an unresolved. Read from Thursday, but eventually, if you step back and look at this, what happens near the final eight weeks of this process is you've got guys running different cons on each other, but not necessarily maliciously you have people wanting to be involved in the payment to players in their families because ultimately down the road, there's a huge stake in that for them if they stay with Adidas sign with certain agents and and I don't know if you want to describe it as kickbacks coming eventually, but obviously there are paid off. So what you had was this black ops group assigned different schools and would because they were assigned to different schools eventually be associated with different kinds of players who would wind up going to one school or the other. But then you've got dockings whose only like twenty four twenty five years old when this is all happening. So he's he's a bit of a young puppies. He's definitely kind of playing the role more than he's actually is fitting into it if that makes any sort of sense. And suddenly you've got a lot of paranoia with all of these guys and and sure enough the paranoia was warranted. -ted because of they, they would be busted. If you're asking why gas Nola is not a defendant in this trial will one. He, he, he cooperated with the government to the evidence against him was not as direct and strong initially as the evidence against the other guys in the trial, guess Knowles on a plane the day. The story breaks when the story breaks the only he testified that the people he reached out to his attorney in Rick Pitino. Now, why would he reach out to Rick Pitino? He said his mind was going crazy. He didn't know what to think. And he basically, I think he was worried that Rick was going to get caught up in this and wanted to make sure that he did not know. But at the same time, he never at least he has not testified to this. If if he if if he did this, the prosecution is not having is not asking this question to set this up. If he ever discussed the legitimacy of bones deal that was never brought up altogether, but what gas Nola and Brian Bowen senior having common is they both get approached by the feds, not on the same day, but guessing all gut. The government came to his house soon thereafter, they both lie to the FBI initially how much I don't know what details. I don't know, but they both lie about the nature of what each of them was doing that was against the rules of the various potentially against federal federal law gas Nolan bow and continued ally until basically they're pinned against the wall and they have no choice. It's like you're, they're gonna cut a deal, or you're going to trial on this in your in. You stand to spend years and years in jail. Okay. So gas Nola. He eventually cuts the deal. Hold on. He cuts his deal in. I gotta go back all the way to start at his testimony. He cuts the deal. He pleads guilty on March thirty two thousand eighteen of this year. So takes that long in between all of that by the way he is having his attorney, write a falsified letter to Kansas to try and help Billy Preston situation. Meanwhile, Preston's mother is involved in an investigation because Preston gets into a minor one car accident with what we now know is a dodge charger that was apparently registered to Preston's great grandmother, which I'm not saying wasn't the case. I'm saying that's an amazing visual that there is a minimum seventy five year old woman driving around. I believe Florida with a dodge charger, incredible. So that that whole process is getting trying to get figured out and then Kansas investigates and they say, okay, now we need to figure out if if you got paid who got money, the gas Nola lands on their radar because gas Knowle's had a long standing relationship with the Kansas coaching. Staff. Okay. And so then Preston's mother again, this is all happening. Well, before gas Nola agrees to sign up with the feds. Precedents mother who has a female companion in life goes to Gasol and says, I'm gonna tell the Kansas investigators. You and I have been intimate. We've been dating. We've been fooling around and that's gonna make the fact that you paid me ninety thousand dollars. Okay. Meanwhile, has a fancy of his own money of which has been. Taken from his account into his fiancee's account as a means to try and hide it. And that's not been brought up in trial. But frankly, you put the pieces together. The government clearly leaned on his fiancee, and that was also what what move gas to become a government witness in this because she had tens and thousands of dollars that was money unaccounted for didn't pay taxes on a legally obtained by gas Nola. That's another part of this. So anyway, that plan falls through Preston, never plays last year. We know the reason now. I mean, we knew it, but now we know it. No, it. The reason Preston ever plays is because his mother and her partner except ninety thousand dollars from gas Nola. Some of which was delivered in hotel rooms in New York City in Las Vegas. Some of which was got wired because quote, gas analysts at he got lazy, he didn't wanna make the trips in person and deliver all of this cash. Eventually the government pins him up against the wall, and and now he's, he's coopering on behalf of them and in doing so has admitted to paying the families of Denison. Junior Preston, current Kansas player, Silvio Susa, Brian Bowen senior and de'andre Aden's family friend, the money of which was supposed to be delivered to Aden's mother. So we don't have any sort of corroboration that the money wasn't factor liver to his mother, but you put the pieces together if you so please parish, I'm gonna toss it back over to you because we can spend seventy four different ways right now TJ guests Nola somebody I've known for like fifteen years because and he is like he looks the part if you were trying to stereotype here. But if you were trying to cast like the shady, grassroots, basketball guy, like he looks, he's the guy, you'd put the movie. And so it's it's sort of interesting how he's the guy who ends up in the situation. But when I was the Memphis beat writer, he was around the Memphis program a lot. You can take that, however, you want to. But he was in Memphis a whole lot because he. Was the connection between the Memphis staff Tonio Anderson who went on to play four years at the university of Memphis. He was on, you know those those great teams that went to. I, you know, the championship game, maybe I think three elite eight and four sweet sixteens championship game appearance. He led the Tigers minutes played every single year. Even though they had Sean Williams. They had Darius Washington. They had Derrick rose. They had tyreek Evans all while he was there until you Anderson led. The team in minutes played every single season. He's a very good college basketball player. And so he has quote unquote guy was TJ. So TJ was in Memphis all the time. And I think he was a high school classmate with dare Kellogg who was on the Memphis staff at the time, then went on to be head coach at UMass now is at LSU, Brooklyn. And so I, you know, my my history with TJ goes goes way back and. I'll just say, I'm not surprised that he got caught up in this kind of stuff. Because he's been the most interesting witness so far because he's talking about money, I delivered deals. I did, and though he has claimed as it relates to Kansas Bill self didn't know canes staff did. No, that's great for for Bill in Curtis towns, all those guys like if if I were to have a, I would also want TJ saying, we didn't know anything about it, but does cashable college basketball fan, believe that like do you believe that. No. And even other stuff, I'll continue here parents, but even others, they're, they're just little drips. Small things coming out in the trial like the fact that the defense asked, you know, before Bill selves hall of fame induction, is it not true that you and your fiancee. Went out to dinner with Bill self, and there was someone else in that and am my ghetto, I believe. And I believe this is the day before the induction. He says, yes, that is true. So it's just little things like that. That the defense is trying to take out of gas, no testimony. Because again, just to remind listeners like when Gasol is being questioned the prosecution, he knows the questions are coming. He self, he's quick. He's direct wins the defense, you see a little more of the imposing figure. His body language is changed. The way that he responds is not as quick. He's asking the defense to repeat questions often. Sometimes he's pausing in my opinion to wait and see if the prosecution will object. It's a fascinating dynamic that plays out continue. The other thing you said that I thought was interesting as I read this when you guys tweeted at you and Dan wets or both been in the courtroom. That on the day the scandal breaks and the indictments are made public. He calls Rick Pitino. And again, I do think it's fair to point out that still to this day, October TWA two thousand eighteen. There is still no evidence whatsoever that Rick Pitino knew anything about this. I mean, you can either believe him or not believe him that's up to you, but like the idea that he's caught on a wiretap or there's some incriminating text message, or there's somebody actually even saying Patino knew that does not exist, so so that's worth pointing out. But why are you calling Rick Pitino if Rick Pitino domino nothing about nothing. I, I will answer the question the reason why he's calling Patino. And again, these are things he sang under oath. Couplings Patino here. I'll answer the question, but I want to bring this up on Tuesday. There was a call between code and dockets. That was also played a separate call where dockings alleges Pacino's and code says he knows what he doesn't know, plausible deniability. So they get into some of that overall. And then guess Noah's been asked a couple of times about, did he let Tino did you not let them know? Because the prosecution is basically saying, you know, by him, not letting Patino and keeping this from Patino and hiding it. He he is defrauding his defrauding, the school, he's in university and get a text message was brought up where it's in my story. It's the first time I've actually bracketed thumbs up emoji. I believe in a in a piece of copy and it's gas Nola saying, listen, you know, hall of Famer. Hope you're well. Bom will help talk soon gives us sums up. And then within context of that being brought into evidence, it's gas saying, I did not tell Patino kept us from him. I didn't want to didn't want him to know because if he knew. You know, Boeing would be eligible for the program at Patino could come under attack. So there's that. That's what he's saying under under oath. He's claimed in in multiple different ways that is the case. But obviously when the when the trial breaks gas Knowle's frantic because he knows that Bowen was pay Bowen's father was paid and their one hundred thousand dollar plan set up with all of this stuff. And I think he is concerned whether or not he believes maybe things Pacino's, but he's never talked with them explicitly about it. He said that so many times that I do, I do believe that's the case, but I think he's trying to get a feel in that moment parish when the stories breaking September twenty six, two thousand seventeen. Okay. You know the the sheath is coming down here. Let me just check in with Rick. See what he says. And Patino indicates really nothing in that moment. So I think that's part of it because another piece of context here is that gas Nola wasn't really involved in the Boeing deal all that much the way that he was the other one. And he even said in court that he was, he wanted to feel like he was a part of it though he wanted to inject himself into. I mentioned before how these guys were kind of running like mini cons on each other or somewhere stepping on one turf over the other. That was the case with gas Nola and Bowen to an extent. And so I think he just had some concern that the, you know, with himself like the two most prominent important coaches to Adidas, I think he might have gotten read in the faces that story was breaking, and that's why he did it. I'll buy that. I'll buy that. You know. With Patino because you know what you said is that. You know, he may have known, but TJ has made it clear. He never talked about it explicitly with him. I was obviously victim media yesterday and the big ten head coach that I was talking with off camera because I was there doing sit down one on one interviews on camera with not every coach, but most of the coaches, everybody from. Matt painter to Mark Turgeon, Tom Izzo, John Beland, arch Miller, Brad Underwood. They sh- it was all being done for CBS sports h. q.. So if you're interested in any of that, and I sat down with Ethan, have Carson Edwards, Anthony cow, and so on and so forth. All of those interviews are over at CBS sports h. q. right now. But off came, I was talking to one big, ten coach, and we weren't talking specifically about. Patino and the guy that I think we were actually talking about Kansas in the guys. But the point he made is that. These guys can honestly under oath say, I never told Rick Pitino this right? Never told Bill self that because you wouldn't. You wouldn't talk about it because the coaches don't want to hear it. The coaches want you to do what you're doing, but they don't wanna hear it because they want to still be able to. Yeah, have plausible deniability. But even more than that, they wanna be able to on some level look themselves in the mirror and not see themselves as cheater. So when TJ guests Nola tells you, hey, I, I'm gonna help you with this or let me work on that. You know what that means. But but nothing further is said because nothing further needs to be said. And so it is why I find TJ believable when he says, I didn't tell Bill self or I didn't tell Rick Pitino. But I don't think that necessarily means to Kansas step didn't know or the Louisville staff didn't know if that makes sense. It does make sense, and it's part of the guy said was like he actually said, if if if one of my shoe company guys was out there working for me and it was a character TJ gas, no. If he's saying, hey, listen, coach, this five star kid, he's on the market. I know you're involved. I'm gonna help you with that. Like, you know, Adidas is here to help. I'm gonna I'm, I've got a relationship with the family, and so just let me work on that and see if I can see what I can get done. The guys that I would. I know how I turf it, that I, it is they're going to get. They're going to get down and go out there and try to get this dome for me in whatever way they need to do it. I don't need to know. But I know I know my guys out there working for me and you know what that means. It doesn't mean like I'm just going to send a text message and see if I can get you an official visit. It means I'm gonna get their work for you and try to get this done. And so I think these things can be true that nobody ever told Bill self. This is what we are doing. Sylvia desouza. This is what we're doing for Billy Preston. And then nobody ever told Rick Pitino what we're doing from Brian boa. But that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't know what was going on. They might not have known the six because they didn't need to know didn't wanna know. But. It's hard to believe. For me, at least. And I think for most people, it's hard to believe that you wouldn't have a pretty good idea of what's going on. Given how long you've been in the business of high level recruiting and yes and gas, Nola himself, you know, he, he, he passed bad checks and committed larceny and fraud in his twenties. Evaded doing taxes. He is being painted as not a flattering character here. And with that as a fact, you know, just think about how many people in your own life you would. You would trust even an informal business capacity like that. I mean, this is just, this is what the sport is a certain extent. It just is okay and to anyone who schools haven't been affected by if you root for a school that is considered a top fifty variety at minimum. Just understand that that this has been happening in many cases, not all, but in many cases, obviously for decades, we're not hitting on on new ground there. If I may parish, let me just real quick. We talk on the press and stuff mostly I won't. I won't do much in that, but I just want to real quick. And on the other four players Castano testified to to paying their families. Bowen junior, it's a whole long, sordid affair. You know, it starts when he's on a team at fifteen years old. In fact, immoral coats, senior who was a judge in South Carolina is also defending his son. In this case, when after Bo and senior early in the week and incredible five minutes of of cross examination. I mean, this was not long. It was in fact it was amazing. When you look at the way all of the other defense lawyers, prosecution lawyers are preparing their questions, what they're going up there with just binders. Two feet deep. It feels like I'm bores l. and I were talking. We're convinced that the legal community alone will ensure that paper companies exist ad infinitum de amount of paperwork that is involved in this case is suffocating. And yet here you have Merle coach senior with like four loose leaf pieces of paper, bang, bang, bang, quick questions, and he is it true that because of your son's talent you picked him out since he was fifteen objection cer- incredible. There was. Allured accusation about Boeing senior being in New York and looking to find some companionship that I won't get into too much, but that was by far. No. Let's get into that for sure. What was he? What was he trying to get involved in? It was not related to the case whatsoever. Basically, what was happening with this was you've got code senior, obviously furious and his sons in the situation began with and you've got Boeing senior who is in part responsible. You can't call them completely culpable because he's not. But impart the reason why co juniors is involved here and so as but no means other than to toss out a memorable quote that the jury Shirley will have ringing in their ears and just to further diminish the character, Brian Bowen senior Marocco senior said, you know, is it or is it not true that when you landed in New York, you reached out to. Think it was dock ins, but I don't know for sure. I pretty sure it was dockings and texted, you know. Excellent, excellent. I need to get some. And so. When that happens. I mean the objection. It was out of a TV courtroom scene. The immediate objection, the immediate heavy-handed sustained from judge Kaplan. Code senior being up there, understanding knowing what was fully coming. It was. It wasn't incredible moment and we'll have no. No impact on. On the on the on the remainder of the questioning going forward. But anyway, Astra, Boeing. So his family is looking to get money to have otherwise they're gonna leave. It needs to go play for different Nike team. Chris rivers is on on trial in this case, but as an Adidas, grassroots executive that you and I both know in fact who was heavily involved when the lamelo ball crap happened in Vegas in twenty seventeen in the law. Lavar ball going after the female official and all that stuff. One of the guys that we reveal with a lot or at least I was was Chris rivers because he was the basically, the guy that was overseeing that massive, Adidas gauntlet tournament that's happening in Las Vegas will rivers has been brought into this trial one because he was kind of heading up a lot of these guys, you know, gas Nola, and code and other people on a Dita's black ups thing. And he even writes an Email one point that says, hey, listen, don't put any of the black Steph ops in on paper, but he's doing this on an Email. He's doing this on paper. What are you doing anyway? Rivers is involved not as much as the other characters early on with Boeing, Bo in the second or Boeing, junior, I guess it's the second I've heard it referred to both, but that's beside the point. So money gets delivered their Bowen senior. Testifies that rivers delivers like eighteen thousand dollars at one point when they're getting twenty five thousand and this this whole pattern continues obviously, is bones. Recruitment goes on. I don't wanna just burrow hole after hole after hole, but then you get into all it to Paul stuff, which is frankly, just doesn't look good. The Creighton stuff doesn't look good at all, and then gas Nola just he becomes sort of a a periphery on that. And then he gets concerned because docking starts running his mouth about Boeing, getting hundred thousand dollars to go to Louisville and all that stuff. He was the least interesting one is pertained to Gasol is testimony. Overall. I'm gonna save Susa for last because he is. He is the active player that's still involved in this as for Eytan. The context around Aden, and I think that there he still could come up next week. Frankly, I think he and Shawn Miller could come up. We wait and see if Shawn Miller being on the phone on wiretap gets played in this trial or not. To me, that's arguably the biggest, will it happen or will it not remaining in in this specific case or not? Because that is doc. Ins talking to him and dockings is on trial here. It would not stand a reason that that call would get played at the next trial or the one after that with eight Gasol testifies, obviously identified as an elite talent at a young age wanting to get in with Eytan, wanting to get eight and to Kansas. Okay. And Gastineau testifies that this is only one of the really new things. I think notable things to come out in the afternoon session on Thursday, which was largely kind of boring, and the defense was just stumbling over questions and not getting anywhere. But guess Nola did testify the attempted to get permanent housing and set up a job for aids mother in Kansas in an effort to get eight and to Kansas gas also tested. Fide around that time on Thursday that he felt he let Bill self down by failing to get eight and to Kansas think those are relevant pieces of information. What we don't know is the other half of the coin. In terms of eight and getting to Zona, but fifteen thousand dollars was delivered when Ayton was a junior in high school to again, Larne l. shout out to Larne l. okay, schaus to learn without a doubt shouts to Larne shouts to learn l. who then was believed to be giving it to Aden's mother that did not gain traction. Defense was not allowed to really get into why didn't gain traction objections based on relevance, hearsay, what have you, but there you have it. I think eight n- is still open ended at this point. All right, Dennis juniors to fourth player. Now he gets to payments. And as I said in the last podcast, this was this was just one of those things that when Dennis I remember watching Dennis Smith junior in Las Vegas at Adidas, and just the general feeling was like Dennis issues getting paid to state. Everyone knows it, but as journalists, we cannot we cannot corroborate this information to publish. But this was one of the bigger ones at the past five, six years in my opinion. Well, now we know obviously, this is the case, so he gets to different payments wants when he's a junior in high school. The second payment comes after he is committed. But before he enrolls, he enrolls in January twenty sixteen the payment comes. In November of twenty fifteen. And the reason it comes in part as we now learn and they're still going to be more with this. I think next week because the defense is trying to show that the money didn't come from deepest. It came from a money guy named Martin FOX who's out of Houston. And I was told by a source that a lot of players that have come out a few Ston good batter otherwise have have come across FOX. And he has been just a figure of varying influence in the lives of pro prospects out of Houston in the past, you know, seven to ten years or whatever. So the defense is trying to say, listen, this money that went to Smith in fact, might not have been Dita's. It might. It might have actually come from him. We'll see where they're going with that with that overall. But anyway, the point is were circles back to gas Nola in the guys that ghetto that there is some some needing to quote, calm the situation about Dennis Smith junior and everything at NC state. And so they figure, okay. Well, forty thousand dollars, you know, that should that should probably be able to do it gas Nola testified that he went to former NC state assistant Orlando early who for the record. I've tried to reach for content comment and has not responded. About all of this. They asked gas Nola. What early said when he discussed this in his quote was I don't recall and then the quotas. But he didn't say no. And the tone of gas Nola when he said that particular sentence really landed heavy for me. So. What happens here is gas gets on a plane with forty thousand dollars, and that's another thing like earlier in the trial pairs. One thing links to another like you had Boeing senior trying to figure out like if you needed to drive halfway across the country with cash, or could he sneak twenty thousand dollars onto a plane. If he was going to do it, how he was going to do it like so much of this stuff man is is wild in the moment, and we're writing furiously because I can't bring my phone. I can't bring a recorder in. So everything that's said like just furiously writing on a notepad. And if you read any quotes in my story or hear him here, there are a hundred percent accurate. There's a lot of quotes I wrote, but if I'm listening to it on a wiretap call or saying testimony and I don't have it all, I don't have the confidence and frankly will not go with it if I don't have the quote. Exactly, right. So you've got castes Nola flying out of Hartford into Raleigh. I classes always. He would stay in the nicest hotels. He'd he records huge expenses that we get repaid by Jesus in this consultant role, and he. Goes to Orlando's earliest house earliest there. He gives the forty thousand dollars with the inter standing that early going to deliver the forty thousand dollars to to a trainer of Dennis Smith juniors. And from there you know, it's done, whatever's done is done. There was no testimony that this is really a material, but there's no testimony that the family dentist union was ever paid once he was on campus and a student for a year and a half and see state. But regardless, it's terrible look for NC state in this regard. That's the only only instance here. With gas Nola that an assistant not only had knowledge, but actually helped transact money. He moved it from one person to the next against the rules. The only other thing we have that for sure is Johnson give given Brian bow and senior thirteen hundred dollars outside of seniors apartment in Louisville in September of twenty seventeen. And even then Kenny Johnson says, this is going to be a one time deal. This of course happens like six Africa, any Johnson claims? Well, they meet a gas station that he didn't even really know that he was supposed to be paying to begin with. That's another deal altogether, but that's not a good look for NC state. Obviously not a good look for early or Mark Godfrey who is now the coach at Cal State Northridge and that school is yet to put out a statement, I believe in relation to what happened here. And last we have Silvio to Susa, obviously still at Kansas eligible at Kansas couple things here with him, you had a Kansas compliance director that was brought in. Got into some some stuff here and there that at this point just doesn't feel to relevant like, but the fact that Kansas didn't complete proper paperwork with Billy Preston on official visits and stuff. It's not a, it's not a good look for Kansas at all or the prosecution, but okay, Susa. He's eligible right now. The compliance director said that end. That is my understanding. Now here's why it is in part to Sa's guardian NFL main gets paid twenty five hundred dollars to help pay for night classes for Silvio Susa prior to getting to Kansas and what I would suspect to be necessary classes in order for him to clear admissions to Kansas and or the instable is standards for division one student athlete. So he gets twenty five hundred dollars at this point. As gas is testifying. There's a booster at Maryland paint sixty thousand dollars to foul main, and there then becomes a battle over, okay, you know, do we wanna get disuse off of Under Armour and to Adidas and Kansas in? Are we going to we're to mass that sixty thousand so this they set up a payment plan for I for twenty thousand. And the only reason why Silvio Seuss's guardian NFL main did not receive twenty thousand dollars gas Knowle's own words were because of this investigation because the story breaks when it breaks everything halts. Okay. So if you're Kansas fan and your final four never gets vacated and Silvio Susa averages fourteen and seven this year and helps you to another one seed and never winds up having an issue with his eligibility. Be thankful that this case happened to begin with now maybe nothing gets ever at all, but that's why his eligibility is still out there right now. It is pretty interesting and they can. Indus remains pretty adamant that he is that he is going to be eligible. But I, I do believe that he'll be eligible if only because the NCAA's probably not going to roll on him, right. You can't play him. Can Kenya you have to hold him out, I guess. So because here's the other thing, you can still punish schools. I don't know if there's going to be the case though, because it was supposedly knowing that the school involved in this for intent. The answer. The answer. And if you're amateur status compromised, your amateur status is compromise. Yeah, I agree. Like, here's what I think. I think it would be insane for Kansas to play him and they could. They could be on track to win a national championship this season. You don't want to have to look back because you played somebody who it was alleged in federal court has amateur status compromise just because instantly hasn't ruled on it yet. Oh, we'll, we'll just play them and hope for the best I would again, I'll let their compliance people make that decision. They, they know the ins and outs this more than you and I, but I'll be surprised if he's in uniform at the champions class. I also we have to bring this up. Okay. Silvio guardian is Bruno Fernando's guardian Brito. Fernando plays at Maryland. Okay. So if you're Maryland and athlete department that's already faced serious, heavy, legitimate fire this year. For what happened with the football player who was killed after the workout. Like, I'm sure Maryland has has done. The investigations feels necessary that it needs to have been done, but you have new information under oath coming out publicly disclosed that the guardian was accepting. Why would he do one and not the other? You have to ask that question. If you're Maryland, you have to be satisfied. You have to clear this just. Just to me that is very vulnerable for the Terrapins right now. So this is this is how there can be. Unintended consequences for other schools that aren't directly on trial here, but once who have been implicated overall. And I still think next week is going to bring more information like it didn't stop because you know this week was done, I guess, still on the stand. I still think we can get more and we don't know who they're going to wrap up with all the witnesses gas, the last witness for the prosecution. They still more to come. And by the way, just real quick for any future, guardians of elite basketball prospects. If you take sixty thousand dollars from a booster and decide you wanna go to a different school, you don't have to pay it back. There's really anything they can do like, what are they going to do incriminate themselves? Exactly. What do you do? What amateur hour? Like dude. Okay, you got your sixty thousand dollars. Now this go. Do what you wanna do? What are they going to call the civil on themselves? Chalking up. People do that all the time. Like I've heard about players taking money from agents and then just going with another agent and it's like, what are you? Gonna? Do you gonna go? You're going to tell the instability that you were paying me while I was a student athlete, you're gonna go like, go tell the unified, a lawsuit against me and admit that you were breaking major incidentally, rules ball, pay me just chock it up as loss. So. Sylvia brutal Fernando's guardian. He didn't seem to have a good grasp on how to go about doing this stuff like honestly, like you should be a certain code involve. If you're gonna take sixty grand from somebody. You need to go to the school probably where you took sixty grand from. But if you do decide to go somewhere else, you ain't got to pay it back up, bet you never going to pay it back. Double dipping. Course, why wouldn't you man. Let me let me be the guardian of somebody. I wanna be somebody's guardian. I wanna be Larne hill. I have. I have to add before we wrap up. This is just one more thing is junior, it's it's just it was just a funny moment like BoyZone I looked each other when this happened, so they showed this text. So Dennis Smith, Adidas spends all this money all this time trying to get Dennis Smith junior, right plays at NC state, fantastic, freshman, they missed the tournament Godfrey. It's fired. Dennis Smith junior, declares distracted, lottery pick, and he goes with Under Armour so that didn't go to plan. And shortly there now NC states, it's probably vacate that dunk. He and Camry they have to vacate the dunk, correct hashtag vacant dunk. There's no doubt about the talk without a doubt. So there's a text message. I, I don't know why the struck us so funny, but there's a text message between guests Nola and ghetto. About Dennis Smith junior, their disrespect is out of control. It's gas Miller saying, you know, the disrespect is out of control with Dennis. I can't believe this. You just ticked off that he didn't stick with the dias and that Tex sent at four thirty at four thirty. One gadoe just simply replies, Jaylen Brown, had a good game last night. I was just, I don't know. It was. It was so funny that context in which that up and and I don't know who Jalen Brown assigned to by the way Nike for all I know. I don't know, but, but it was just it was funny because gas only just ticked off on belief in it's almost just like Gada just he notes. It's just too far gone anyway, like we just gotta move on. Let me ask you this. Do we have theory for why? Brian? VO and seniors trying to protect Oregon, Tony Stubblefield because that was bizarre. Yeah, like so the allegation is that Tony Stubblefield at Oregon gave him three grand, and this was like, gave him three grand, not forty years ago, but like literally in last year. And he says, I don't recall. And again, I was talking to a big ten coach yesterday. This is a yes or no way. It's impossible to not recall whether Pac twelve assistant gave you three thousand dollars cash. The answer is either. Yes, he did or no, he didn't, but that's not the, I don't recall thing like, hey, what did you eat for lunch on October fourth, two thousand fifteen. I don't recall sense. Did a cystic coach at Oregon give you three grand cash? I don't recall. What are you talking about? You don't recall. That's like yes or no. And so the answer is clearly, yes. Like I'm just gonna -ssume that that happened. And so why, why? Why try to protect Oregon, Tony Stubblefield. What is the what? What would be the motivation there. Could not even imagine. I can't imagine parish, you're under oath cut a deal with the government. I can't imagine. And by the way, just for context here that question gets brought up by the defence. It gets brought up by doc and his lawyer. He brings in Tony Stubblefield the lawyer. He brings in the three thousand dollar figure the lawyer does, and then he says, he doesn't recall. There was also a separate question about UCLA. That was not a specific that Bowen senior also said he couldn't recall, but we're talking about a guy who had a bat phone. He referred to it as a bad phone. You talked to Christian doctrines on his bat phone, and if you're if you're someone who has a bat phone and yet at the same time, can't recall certain money deals. It's just a little bit shady. All right. Last thing before we get out of here. Obviously the trial. Continues on Monday. They were not in the courtroom today, which is Friday. What do we expect next week and wind? Are we ultimately going to know if these men are guilty or not guilty as timeframe on it? Okay. So next week, the prosecution will wrap with its witnesses, at least it should barring. Extended testimony. I really don't think that'll happen with and all he should be done by Monday. They'll bring in two more witnesses. They're planning and then the defense will get their shot. I don't know how many and who they're bringing in as of Wednesday morning win. The lawyers talked to the judge and this is when the jury's not the room and there are no witnesses in the room. The plan was for them to be putting the case in the jury's hands, the week of October twenty second meaning. At least I took that to mean that by Thursday, October eighteen or Thursday October eighteenth because there's no trial on Friday's, closing arguments would be done. So best case scenario. I think you have closing arguments on starting Wednesday, finishing Thursday are all done on Thursday. There is the possibility that closing arguments going to the Monday, October twenty second Tuesday, October twenty. Third, I have no feel on how long it will take the jury. URI to be out on this and to make a decision. But the judge did say, it doesn't look like that they're going to have to go into November with this, but that was before gas Knowle's testimony started taking much longer than they expected. I think he is delay the trial at least one day from what it was expected as of Wednesday morning. But that's, I think we're going to be wrapped up by Tober. And when we do our next podcast, I think we'll have new information that we will be discussing. And we can obviously also if if we so pleased, and I certainly would like to start tapping into some preseason chatter and stuff that's happening on the court shouts to Devon, chef just Carolina, Terry particular show to lar- now and remember you can subscribe to the college basketball podcast via apple podcast rated favourably five dollars five stars then also type a nice comment or two or whatever. That's all we ask from. We're going to be here again next week till then take care.

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03/08: LSU indefinitely suspends Will Wade, UNC become a 1 seed, and a huge preview of the weekend

CBS Sports Eye On College Basketball Podcast

53:48 min | 1 year ago

03/08: LSU indefinitely suspends Will Wade, UNC become a 1 seed, and a huge preview of the weekend

"Hey there. It's Gary parachute. Friday, Martin two thousand nineteen welcome back to the island college basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss camel fighting an leaky black Matt norlander, he's gonna be here with me shortly. And let me explain why is not here right now. So we decided to record the college basketball podcast around eleven eight AM eastern on Friday. And we spent probably first twenty minutes of that discussing the Woolwich situation at LSU and a lot of that conversation was tied to would is going to do with will Wade what should LSU do. We'll wait. And shortly after we finish recording LSU announced what it's doing with. We'll wait. He suspended indefinitely. Tony Benford is going to be the interim head coach. And so rather than have the opening twenty minutes of new podcast dated in that way. Particularly when a lot of you aren't going to get to it till Friday afternoon Friday night, even Saturday morning rather than have it where you're listening to us. But twenty minutes discuss what we think LSU will do and should. Do. And you're sitting there already very aware of what LSU did do that just seems silly to us. So we decided to rerecord the opening to make it as fresh as possible problem is lenders got CBS sports H Q obligations, so he's tied up. So I am here by myself right now to make sure the opening of this podcast is as fresh as possible in the norlander will join me when I'm done discussing the latest with the will Wade situation, and we will preview the weekend. Everything from Duke, North Carolina. Michigan Michigan state the American ethic conference race. We'll get to all of it. But first things first the biggest story in college basketball. It is the will Wade situation at LSU. So let's back up to Thursday, Dan, Wetzel. Yahoo sports reported that there is a wiretap that has will weigh discussing pay for play scheme involving. Devante smart. And he is discussing it with Christian doc into. Of course is now a convicted felon, and this wasn't a. Report where it just stopped there. It actually has the transcript, and what's on the transcript is is pretty problematic for will way because he is discussing strong s offer. That's a quote strong us offer. He's put on the table for. Devante smart. But he can't get it done. Here is the actual transcript quote. And again, this is will way talking to Christian Dawkins. I was thinking last night on the smart thing. I'll be honest with you. I'm in tired of dealing with the thing. Like, I'm just sick of Dillon with the s like this should not be that complicated in quote. And then later will is reportedly discussing a third party handler for lack of a better word, and he said this to cushion Dawkins, dude, I went to them with an F strong offer about a month ago F and strong. But the problem was and now know why didn't take because it was f- until toward the family a little bit. It was tilted toward taking care of the mom taking care of the kids like it was tilted towards that. And so now, I know for fact that he didn't explain everything to the mom. I know now the ish. She was eating get enough of the piece of the pie in the deal. It was an F helluva f an offer hell of an offer. In quote, this conversation reportedly happened some point between June one thousand nine hundred thirty two thousand seventeen smart committed LSU on June thirty so that was the who story then ESPN came back with a story later Thursday that had more details about other calls ESPN was reporting that in a different call will wait joking about a player. Again. Presumably, devante smart. How that player would get quote more than the rookie minimum. And he also told Christian doctrines that he had done deals for quote as good of players him. That were quote, a lot simpler than this. So there's a lot of bad stuffy, right? What you essentially have as an SEC head coach. Frustrated venting to Christian darkens about this deal. Strong deal that he's put on the table to try to secure commitment from. Devante smart. But it can't get the commitment yet because the hand won't accept the deal yet. And he thinks will does that the reason the hand there won't accept the deal is because we'll cut the mom into much cut the kid into much in the handlers piece of the pie isn't as big as the hand the wants to be. Furthermore, what you have is will way telling Christian dock ins. Listen, I've done deals like this before with players just like this, and they never been this complicated. So you have a coach acknowledging on a wiretap. I gotta deal I'm working on to get. Devante smart. Quite clearly in violation of instable rules and not only that you've got. We'll wait saying this aim. I I do I've done deals before with players just like this, and they never been this complicated. So after all this broke on Thursday. I'm like, okay. How can we'll wait explain this because he's going to have to explain this not to me, not the LSU fans, even but to his bosses to the instability someday, and perhaps to a federal judge, and there's just no way out of it. These words leave no plausible deniability on the table. None whatsoever. And by the way, that's the difference between this situation and the Bill self situation it Kansas because I had a lot of people after I tweeted earlier on Friday LSU has suspended. We'll wait at a lot of people say what is the difference between we'll wait on wiretap or Christian doctrines and Bill self text messages submitted in federal court between he and TJ gas Nola. And here's the difference. Bill self text messages are Bill self and TJ s Noah right around the time Keynes's signing long-term lucrative deal with the deed is is TJ gas Nola, basically, tell him Bill far as I'm concerned Kansas number one, everybody else second Iowa work for you. I'm going to get you the players never let you down except that at one time with the Andre eight and LOL and Bill self saying, hey, that's the way it should be. I need some news, right? It is what it is you re those text messages, and it is what it is. But that said Bill self can still stand up today at this moment and say, you guys can think TJ gas Nola was telling me he's going to be buying players. And you guys can think I was telling him to buy me players. But that's not it's not there. I didn't ever talk about money. He never talked about money. I didn't tell him to break rules. He didn't say he was going to break rules. So you guys can imply whatever you want. You can think whatever you want to think, but you're putting words in my mouth. If you think that was a text message change, featuring me, telling TJ gas break rules or TJ gas Noah telling me he was going to break rules now. Nobody except diehard. Kansas fans are going to buy that. And even some of them might not. But it does give Bill plaza deniability not to mention you could also say TJ gas Nola was place into oath in federal court. He was asked if I knew anything. And he testified that I didn't Bill self at this moment still has plausible deniability. Will way doesn't. Once that transcript is made public. There's no way to explain any of that away. And so even before LSU announce that he was going to be suspended. I assumed that. This would go down this way. Because I don't know how you survive this and the suspension is obviously just to give them time to make sure all their for lack of a better phrase ducks in a row before they do what most people now think they will eventually do which is terminate the contract of we'll wait and and find themselves a new basketball coach because I can't imagine this gets any better. Will still going to be subpoenaed perhaps to appear in federal court? That means things can only get worse. I think because again, there's no believable story that makes these conversations seem like anything other than what they appear to be. And when you don't have a story to explain away these words. Unitas spot. And so the question I was asked when I jumped on CBS sports Q HQ immediately after the suspension was announced was what does this mean for LSU? And obviously big picture. It means that they're probably going to have to make a coaching change go out and hire new coach. Rebuilt again. It's not ideal. But it's also impactful in the short term. Because LSU a team that is playing Vanderbilt on Saturday with an opportunity to. Win at least a share of an SEC championship and possibly an outright title, depending on what happens between, Tennessee and Auburn. And if it wins a league title, and then would also win the tournament got an opportunity to maybe a one seat in the instability iron. And now they're going to have to do it presumably without we'll way. Go play in the tournament against John Calvin pairing Kentucky, Rick Barnes and Tennessee been Hal at a Mississippi State, Bruce Pearl and Auber so on and so forth. And now, it's Tony Benford and LSU and with all due respect, the Tony I'm not here to take shots, but you can Google Wikipedia page the nicest way to describe him would be incredibly unsuccessful former division one head coach it, Texas. So I don't think you could even try to argue that LSU is now something less than what it was supposed to be what it would be because they've lost their head coach. And I would assume that this is something instantly tournament selection committee is also going to. Take into account because if they will see a team differently based on the roster that's available to that team. Why wouldn't you see team differently based on the coach that's available to that team? Unless you just gonna try to argue coaches don't matter, and I don't believe that for a second. For instance, famously many years ago, Bob Huggins coaches Cincinnati's got to what I think's the best team in the country a team that I think was gonna win a national championship a team that had a resume of number one scene. Can you Martin had a broken leg? And so the section committee did not give Cincinnati a one c and when they explained it they explained by saying we don't think they're the same team without their best player national player of the year. And guess what? Since he wasn't got bounced early. I don't know why you wouldn't apply the same logic LSU assuming we'll wait is not going to coach them in the tournament. They're not going to be the same team. And that means that whatever was possible two days ago. And honestly just about anything was possible two days ago. Given the way that team's been play seems less possible now because barring they surprise. We'll ways not gonna coach into LSU the season. And barring a at least surprise to me. I don't think we'll ever gonna coach at LSU again. So that's that big a store in college basketball. And as it develops will continue to discuss it. But right now, I want to get to the games big weekend on tap. Matt norlander will join me momentarily to preview it, but I check this out. All right listeners. I'm excited to talk to you about our newest sponsor loci. Yes. These bracelets are attention grabbing and now made for you the sports fan, loci, bracelets. Hold water from Mount Everest the highest point on earth and mud from the Dead Sea, which is the lowest point on earth. It's a daily reminder to find your balance during life's highs and lows a sports fans, we've definitely experienced highs and lows throughout the season local game day collection helps you stay balanced while ripping your favorite pro or college teams colors and with ten percent of net profits donated to incredible charities you can support your team and support causes around the world. 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So there should be no issue to win at least a share of the tidal. And they can actually win it outright. If they'd be Vanderbilt in Bruce Pearl and Auburn beat Tennessee because Tennessee's on the road at Auburn on Saturday. Meantime, Florida trying to avoid a fourteenth loss of the season. They got win referee playing Kentucky on Saturday to avoid that fourteenth loss of the season. So there's a lag going onto me just ask you this. Very simple question. LSU right now. Fifteen into in the league, Tennessee, fifteen into Kentucky fourteen and three given that LSU's plane Vanderbilt at home LSU is gonna finish sixteen to boring massive upset so Kentucky even with the win over Florida. Just can't get there. Here's the question. We're gonna have an outright SEC chimp coach. We're gonna have go champs. I'll take Tennessee to win at Auburn. Obviously LSU to win at home. Stay one game up on Kentucky and doing so Tennessee stays on the one line and bracket projections, which will also get a little bit weird. If another result happens, we'll get to that in just a minute. But I'll take you t to win it all and I'm not I'm not in on Auburn. It's interesting. They've been rated well, obviously, Ken palm their thirteenth and canton right now. But. I don't know. I obviously they don't have widely Austin Wylie healthy. I think that makes a big difference Choo. Choo monkeys been a solid player. I think he's actually a bit unheralded. But I don't know I feel as though. There are not greater than the sum of their parts, which is to to kind of bang on a cliche there. But I'll take Tennessee to win their better team. Yeah. They gotta go on the road. But gimme UT. And then I do like Kentucky to win Florida, by the way can't get out of its own way. It should have won earlier this week. It doesn't it's a, you know, just a classic bubble team at seventeen and thirteen right now should have been able to be LSU on Wednesday night. Couldn't get it done botch. Final play. And now you gotta try win it Kentucky. And if you don't win there. You're gonna fourteen losses probably needed win. At least two I think in the tournament. So a big time game for the Gators here. But I'm will take Kentucky to win. But in doing so so the three best teams all get ws. And it's to satis quote Tigers and vol's finished atop the league. And with that you LSU has the tiebreaker. So the bayou Bengals regardless of all the other drama. They will be the one seed when plague underway Nashville and the SEC Turney trivia time. Stew or loses at Rupp, which they probably will. And then loses at any point the SEC tournament even championship game. Doesn't matter unless they win the sternum. They're going to fifteen losses on selection Sunday, how many schools have ever received at large bids with fifteen losses for. Do you know the answer, you just guessing? No, I'm pretty sure, that's dancer. This is one of those trivia times where I didn't have the answer. I knew it was too. I know we knew we had one each of the past two years. What are we doing here? Like you have to have the answer. You can't just ask the question. I think it's too. Now because isn't the. Record is sixteen. I thought. I thought the record was sixteen. So the sixteenth happened once Georgia Georgia fourteen or fifteen member Georgia back in the day. Who teams you got right now? GP I've got. Alabama last season. In Vanderbilt two seasons ago. Yes, I remember vandy. What of losses? Let me check Georgia real quick here. Georgia was like fifteen and four trivia time. Ever. You can't ask me the question and not know the answer. Well, okay. Well, I think I do know the answer. I think I'm right because I just Google most losses to get an at large and from March first two thousand seventeen they had there's a third one. Yes. I was right. No way. No. I was wrong wrong. Georgia had fourteen in a one because they finished with fifteen losses. I think I was right. I think my trivia time is right. I believe the answers to and it had never happened before two thousand seventeen and then it happened with Andrew built in two thousand seventeen and then it happened with Alabama in two thousand eighteen. Two. I feel like you should apologize. Okay. Here we got. No, you are not your own what? Fifteen. I guess you're right. All right. Stop questioning me question to me just stringing you along. But I do have this fourteen has been done these Villanova ninety one Georgia in two thousand one Kansas state ninety Nova in ninety Amazon in two thousand and LSU in eighty seven all had fourteen losses and they got in and they got in with fourteen losses in a sixty four team field. So only fifteen been done twice. Yeah. I told you that a second thought sixteen had been done once, but I guess not. I mean that's a ton of losses, by the way. That's just for an at large team. That's unacceptable. What team hall is real quick here. Let's just we can continue. All right. So the teams right now here the teams with fourteen losses in major conferences. We have got Texas sixteen and fourteen. That's just a lot of losses, man. You've got Indiana sixteen and fourteen Arkansas not in the fold sixteen and fourteen Butler, not in the full sixteen and fourteen Xavier kind of their I guess not really though sixteen and fourteen and it really ends there. Because then you get into providence UCLA, and and that's pretty much it. No, one has fifteen that's actually in the picture the only major conference team right now with fifteen losses. That's even kind of floating near it. And they're not near it. But it's impressive fifteen and fifteen and no one else's even close there. So so anyway, that was another strange trip through trivia time. What other games you wanna talk about? We'll I on Auburn you mentioned that you're not in on them. And I don't want to see him out on them. I've got him ranked in the top twenty five and one, but they have been as you pointed out highly ranked in the computers all season thirteenth at Kim palm right now. Trivia time. Okay. I'm not ready for this. How many currently ranked teams in the people has all been beaten this season. Do you know the answer just like the answer to the one you just confuse me a little bit because you were so confident in anti had a lot of conviction. Have that? Oh. The fact that you ask the question makes me wanna say zero, but I don't like to play obvious. So I will say, ooh. The answer's zero okay. Zero thirteenth can palm safely in the field zero wins over currently ranked opponents they do have a win over Mississippi State. Mississippi State has spent part of this year ranked they've got to win over Florida. They've got a win over Washington in Washington was ranked last week. But is it rank this week because somehow Washington loss to cow? So as of this moment Auburn has zero wins over currently ring teams. In other words, if Auburn is going to beat Tennessee on Saturday. They're going to have to do something. They haven't done all season, which is currently ranked team. That's why I'll take Tennessee with you. I think we're gonna have champs. I'm with you. That'll be the second straight year, by the way, Tennessee has finished tied atop the league standings. And it's the first time I had this earlier on the on the site earlier this week Tennessee hasn't won back to back conference champ. It's been a long long time. So anyway, I don't I can't trivia time you that. Because I know it's been a while. Don't off my head. And I'm not gonna look it up right now. What else? Okay. Let's let's go to the American athletic conference. Yes. Love the American conference trivia time. Although I told this so come on bring it trivia time. But you might be aware. Me on the American. I tweeted this. So you might know the answer you on Twitter. Okay. Yes. Okay. All right. This is the six season of existence for the American athletic conference. How many years has the American had at least four bids in the instability tournament. So this is a six they've only had five tournament the previous fi like right now they projected to get foreign Cincinnati temple at four so five years. How many times did they get foreign three to Italy three this season? The league is actually like the league has been. I would say it hasn't been nearly as good enough in the tournament's it should be. And it's gotten some brutal breaks over the years from SMU, the UCLA disaster to cincy blowing twenty two point lead last season to Houston losing at the buzzer to to to Michigan the conference doesn't get enough mainstream run because it's now you wanna title when it was in the American conference, but that's it. And that that alone. I think accounts for more victories than the instability tournament than almost the rest of the league combined since it formed, but to be fair like when the American formed if you had said. All right for the next six years half the time you're going to get at least four teams into the tournament. And in many of those seasons, they're going to be single digit siege. You're gonna have to seed you're have national champion. I think that you would have taken that. And it's done pretty well for itself at rates ahead of the pack twelve this season. But in twenty fourteen its first year when Louisville the forgotten year Louisville is actually in the American that one and only season, Louisville, cincy, Yukon and Memphis got in SMU just missed that season. Second year. It was only to SMU's six Cincinnati as the eight by the Cincinnati thing on the court report this week Cincinnati has been by far the best program from start till now in the American. No one's even close in terms of overall victories in twenty sixteen. They got four and that was the Tulsa was the stunner. But temple was in Cincinnati and Yukon got in in two thousand seventeen two years ago that SMU in cincy both was six as I actually thought both of them were under seated that season Houston was close but not quite realistically in and then last season they had three since the to Houston the six and. Which state? Yes. Believe it or not you might have forgotten this. But which state was a foresee last season. So now it's turning toward this basically on average the Americans getting more than three teams in the tournament annually. I'd say it's doing pretty well for itself. And then as we've set up happening here in the league for the weekend. I just we'll know on on Thursday night, Houston one again, it's only got two losses. I think if it wins out and by winning out, it would probably have to beat Cincinnati twice. I think there's a faint chance it would have to break. Right. But I think he still has a faint chance to get in the final to see Cincinnati. Unfortunately certain seed, but helping the league because it did not win at UCF in doing. So locked up a bid for UCF, which is twenty three and six and has done. So it's it's done better for its profile than any team in college basketball for the past week because it one at Houston giving Houston only one of its two losses beating Cincinnati outplays at temple which is a weird game. Because UCF in my opinion, they're locked in. They could still go to Dayton. But I don't think GP. They don't get there. But temple. I think that it's it's in as of now, but can go either way it wins at you concert. Just gets a road win. It's not an amazing win. But you know, what's better than a loss? There's no doubt about it. When it look at temple and the three or four teams might be above it three or four teams might be below it. It's in good standing now hosts UCF a win there. I don't know if it's locked city. But could it could really do well for the American. And then of course, as you've mentioned before I lecture be the first team the first guy to. Infer and reference Memphis on the podcast. That's a rarity. But here we go. The conference tournament is obviously in perish, his home city of Memphis. And so the possibility for the Tigers, even though they don't rate as a top four team in the league potentially could be a bit the overall things going well for the American the bottom line is that you gotta have ideally teams breakthrough the second weekend. And if you can get one even to the elite, I think that would do some good we wait and see if that actually comes to be. Well, I will say according to the net rankings. Memphis does rate as a top four team in the league. Okay. Good on the net rankings Houston. Cincinnati. UCF at twenty eight. So it's Houston at number six, then Cincinnati Twenty-one UCF twenty eight and then it's Memphis, it fifty temple fifty seven and what Memphis actually rates above temple and Ken palm as well. It doesn't one other Massey. It's not even close meme emphasis in the low seventies eighties and temples is like thirty spots higher. So Memphis is a bit of a moving target. But hey, we'll see put them computers like some not as much and then they get the building the game in their home building that tournament. And it will definitely be interesting because I know tickets get a lot of fan bases. But I mean, come on when the Tigers are playing it's going to be minimally seventy percent Tigers fans in that building. It'll be like ninety percent tight. You're watching say. I don't think any of these schools travel that enthusiastically like Kentucky's not playing in the American athletic conference tournament. We'll see maybe you're you're estimates closer than much. But either way this is what's most interesting about the Merican me right now projected to get four bids. The instability tournament. In one of them's not Memphis. One of them's not uconn. One. Them's not Wichita state. Yeah. That's how good this league. Cain be if you can keep Kelvin Sampson at Houston and keep it going which of Kelvin's. There's no reason it won't keep mic it Cincinnati. And if he's there there's no reason to stink. That's not gonna go keep you CF about where it's at right now. I know Fran Dunphy is stepping away after this season. But if temple can remain whatever temple supposed to be. And then you get Memphis where it ought to be you come where it ought to be Gregg Marshall, Wichita state back not even where it was. But just wear. Greg marshals programs should be you got a league that I think can start to maybe crack the top six in terms of leagues you give it that. Yes. I I I've I've probably been as aggressive and as in on the American, and it's bona fides as any member of the media. And I think that it's been good. But it has just it is suffered from not having like. Generally speaking the superstar players and viable consistent year after year like success deep into the tournament. But you know, what it solid again in if early gets going, and we are, you know, penny as is already revved up. Memphis, like there is some real optimism ahead here for the league itself. And we wait to see how the teams are seeded. I think that the committee has under seeded teams bit just a little bit in the years past. And I don't think that any of the teams we mentioned are going to be set up to succeed with the exception of Houston because best case scenario Cincinnati's. If it wins out, I think it tops out at a five, which is fine. But your second game, you'll probably be an underdog. So you're not you're not favored to make it to the second weekend. It really just does need a simple as it is. And it's hard to do. But like you need you need when we get to the second weekend. And there's just there's more focus because there's fewer games. It's like, oh, yeah. Okay. We got Houston here in Cincinnati here. And you never know it breaks one way. And then you're. That that Saturday Sunday with the chance to go to the final four. I think that stuff for better for worse. It's the nature of the tournament has has real impact on the way that your conference could sock about disgust and house reputation bills. With the American athletic conference tournament. You mentioned Memphis. Well, I'll just forget what you said Mick Cronin after they beat Memphis last weekend. A two point game at Cincinnati. He said they're going to be tough out there real threat to win the American at that conference tournament. And I ran the numbers on it. And. According to sag Ren's numbers. At least the way it projects things. The only teams that'll be favored over Memphis. Fedex forum in the American conference tournament are Houston, and Cincinnati and Houston would be like a four point favorite in Cincinnati would be like two point favorite. So they're going to be a real. I mean, they've got a real chance to get an auto bid there. I know it's. It's it's unlikely, but it's it's certainly possible even realistic because as all over the place as Memphis been and they've been playing better lately, but they've had their ups and downs. They've only lost twice at home was to Tennessee early. And it was just a ten point loss as opposed to a twenty point loss. Because it's around the time Tennessee was beaten there by twenty and they lost Cincinnati by single digits, and they were up double digits with fourteen minutes to go in that game. So if you're looking for leagues where there could be a bit Steeler like a team that's not projected to make the incident tournament that wins. The auto bid probably your best bet is Memphis in the American. It's a very reasonable thing because they're going to have a massive a massive homecourt advantage. And you mentioned that American has sort of been under represented or not fought of the way. Perhaps it should have been thought about American coach a coach in the league. Tell me maybe last off season. We would just randomly talking about whatever. And he said our biggest problem in terms of notoriety and respect and all that stuff is that we don't have Illinois ova and be we're not called the big east. We have a branding. If they just called us, the big east instead of them, the big east we'd be thought of differently, and I thought that made some sense. Yeah. It does it's going to just going to take time. I mean on the football side. It's UCF that's carrying the entire conference at this point. And I think it's it's a legal thing. And they're they're trying to get through and try and get there. All right. You wanna talk the two huge games of the weekend here on a second. Because there is a huge game this week in the American my Houston at Cincinnati, and this is going to break one way or the other like any other game. But from a league standings conference championship perspective, huge huge ramifications because Houston. Cincinnati lost last night Thursday night at UCF in Houston beat SMU Houston has already wrapped up a share of the title. But if they are able to beat Cincinnati it'll be an outright league title, and since obviously Cincinnati wins. Then they'll they'll be coach impious trivia time last time Houston when an outright conference championship. Nineteen Eighty-four you son of a bitch. You got it right about that. Just I know they haven't won one here. And it's just been a while since they've had this sort of, you know, sustain dominance. I i'm. I'm gonna take Cincinnati to win. This game parish take them seventy to sixty six. In doing so just kill Houston chances to land on the to line, but but help their own chances and setup for for what I think it'll be a fun American athletic conference tournament you, I'm with you. I had to do a preview for CBS sports HQ on Houston. Cincinnati. And listen, I like both of these teams, I think they're comparable teams, obviously Houston's got the better resume. But I like both of these teams I would pick Houston win if the game were in Houston. But because the games in Cincinnati. I'll take Cincinnati Cincinnati only lost once at home this entire season. And it was the season opener against Ohio State. So it was I think November seventh. It was. Yeah. November seventh. So literally more than four months ago was the last time Cincinnati lost a home game. And. They might lose. I mean who knows? But if I've got to pick one or the other I'll take the home team Cincinnati to beat Houston, and then we will have co conference champs in the, but I checked with the earlier today and Houston already owns the tiebreaker. If we get to that point. So Houston would be the one seed no matter what happens in the American conference this this weekend. Now, let's get to the two big games. It's number four Duke at number three North Carolina on Saturday. Tip scheduled for six PM eastern. You can watch it on ESPN Mike game, of course, after Tuesday night's win over weight force said he will be surprised if Zion Williamson plays at Chapel Hill. But would also be surprised if he doesn't play in the tournament. Let's start there. Will you be shocked if we find out forty five minutes before tip off Zion Williams is going to be in uniform? No and also. For those listening to this podcast whenever you are Friday afternoon. Friday night, Saturday morning, we are recording. This about an hour before Mike's Jesse is going to speak with the media. So we don't know if he's going to the potential he Jesse in sixty three minutes from now say Ziya Williamson is definitely out Zion. Williamson is definitely playing am Williamson wants to play. But we don't know we'll make a decision close to game time. So there will be information. That makes Jesse talks to that. We can't address on this podcast because we got to turn this for you guys. Ample time to listen to the pod before the weekend games. Get rolling. I will not be surprised if that happened. I think it would be an awesome moment if it happened. But let's make our predictions here over under one second played by Ziya Williamson and the Duke North Carolina game on Saturday parish. What are you going with? I'll take the under. I don't think he's going to play. But I'm with you. It would I I would love to play. It would just be an awesome moment. You talk about making it where people who don't even care about. College basketball, which say, okay, I need to watch this. I don't think there would be anything. We could have in this regular season. That would be that would become appointment television. Like like, okay. Hey, I was about to go here. But now, I'm staying here to watch this. Then if it got announced within an hour of tip off. Oh, by the way Zion. Williamson is in uniform. He will be on the in the starting lineup for Duke tip off his in forty five minutes that you can't get bigger than that. I know. All right. Real quick trivia. The time are here we go. Komo. All right. Both teams ranked in the top five. How many times have Duke and North Carolina met when both were in the top five of the poll. That's not even fair trivia, Tom because they played a billion times you have to give me multiple choice on that. Okay. Let me. I'm gonna do four options. Okay. Have they met both in the top five have them at low to high here. All right, six nine twelve nineteen. How many times have they met top teams? You said six. Actually, I'm gonna say nine you're gonna say the wrong answer is the twelfth time that they have met and get this. It is their twelve meetings. Now as AP top five teams is five more than the next. Best matchup in college basketball history. Pretty incredible now one more thing this isn't tribute. I'm just crazy stat. So obviously, these are the best programs ever as of right now all time wins in college hoops history. Kentucky is number one nineteen o three Kansas number two eighteen ninety nine. So there's four wins separating those two programs right now. And then you've got North Carolina with never mind, I'm totally botched this hold on. Ago. Goes I botched it. Okay. Here we go. Those are the season. Those were the first years they started playing college basketball. Sorry, I'm reading the team notes. Here is the top five all time wins. Wow. GP get out of here with this right now. Okay. Kentucky Kansas UNC, Duke. I don't even believe this. But it's in the Duke notes what team impromptu unexpected trivia time what team currently in the American athletic conference rates fifth. Most all-time this camp. I mean, this is stunning to me an all time wins number five. According to the Duke notes here fifth all-time winds American athletic conference school. Yeah. Cincinnati. No that would that would have been my guess if you posted to me, it's not Cincinnati. Well, then it's gotta be. No, it's not Yukon it is temple with nineteen twenty four. That's crazy. Because at two thousand one hundred seventy wins UNC, a comfortable lead two thousand two hundred and fifty seven anyway, this podcast is kind of swerving off the rails. I love it like that. I will take Carolina to win whether or not Zion Williamson is on the floor. Give me the tar heels eight to eighty three and in doing so as Lou to earlier on this episode. I think if that happens you have to put you see on the one line for the time being and see how things shake out with the tournament. We're not gonna preview this game. But I'll note that Virginia gets its home finale this weekend almost certainly is going to win plays Louisville. So you've right now tied atop the league standings with UNC expect them to win. And you know, that would also create more separation for Duke, potentially knock Duke off the one line. But anyway, who's your pick? Take a North Carolina's. Well, I mean, the thirteen and one pass fourteen games loan loss in that stretch came to Virginia. They've only lost once or twice at home all season. One was to Virginia the other one was that blowout weird loss to Louisville. I know all of the attention or lots of the attention most of the attention in the state of North Carolina's been focused on Duke this season for good reason, they've been number one favorite to win the national championship. They've got Zion. But Carolina has had an awesome season. They're in play for a number one seed twenty five and five right now and Kobe white again, not as heralded Zion or RJ Barrett or or cameras or even trae Jones coming out of high school. I think he was top thirty player five star guy. But lower into the five of the five star guys as opposed to right at the top. He's been awesome. He just passed this week. Michael Jordan on North Carolina's all time. Scoring list for freshman. So basically like everybody passed Michael Jordan this week. I Cockbain white then LeBron James. I'm gonna take I'm going to take North Carolina quick story on. So Jamie, urged all did sideline. I think it was CBS sports classic with North Carolina. Was there in Chicago? So she and I wouldn't studio the night, and we just we were just talking and we were doing Kobe white highlights or we were getting ready to do a Kobe something. I don't know. But so we're talking about his hair James she say she was talking to Kobe white day before the game. Right. And she asked him about his hair. And she said she said, so what are you teammates, think your hair and he looked at her and he said leaky likes to play with it. The funniest answer. She was like what he's like leaky likes to play with it. She's like leaky leaky black likes to play with your hair. He's she's like, okay. So I won't video that I won't leaky black while recording mic state playing with Kobe whites hair. Can somebody get us that? You know, I know how leaky blackout his nickname. Trivia time. I'm not giving it up yet. I'll I'll let you know eventually, but I've been holed. I sat down with Coby white when I went to Chapel Hill few weeks back. I've been holding this. I'm saving it gonna make you wait for it. So. Two minutes, but that's your ruining the bit. Like. Find out what the leaky black came from. Okay. Anyway, you don't think he's you don't think he's coming to Memphis this off season to do a verse with money back. Yo. I can't speak to the veracity of that claim leaky likes to play with it. So we both have UNC winning the other huge game of Saturday will follow Duke, North Carolina. It's Michigan versus Michigan state. Now, there is an injury element to this game as well. And that is that Charles Matthews still dealing with an ankle injury. And we do not know really his time line for return. And then when he'll be at full strength. Michigan state, obviously as well has injury issues, Nick ward, still not going to play in this one Kyle arns as back issues. So both teams it'll be a compelling game. But neither is at full strength. Their Michigan state gets this game on its home floor at just played Michigan. You will recall less than two weeks ago on CBS and Michigan state looked quite fine in winning at Chrysler. So I'm going to take the Spartans here. But I don't have high confidence parish both really good teams nearly equal. I think I like MSU just a little bit more in their current state. And if you said both teams were full strength. I still take Sparty to Michigan state in that in that regard and in doing so would they'd get to sixteen and four that clear they'd clear Michigan. And what they need is Purdue to lose at northwestern not on thinkable, but produce a lot better than northwestern is a road game. But we could have yet another situation where a league like the in the SEC that we've talked about amputation of the American could have tie atop the standings if Michigan state wins and if produce. Yeah. Heading into the weekend. It's three teams at fifteen import Michigan state. Michigan Purdue Michigan. Michigan state. One of them's got to take a fifth league loss. That's the way basketball games have to go. Somebody's gotta lose gotta win. So the winner is guaranteed at least a share the victim title and the losers guaranteed not to share anything. And then it comes down to what happens with Purdue at northwestern. Assuming produce that game. We will have co big tin champs. The winner of. Shiga Michigan state with Purdue. And I think that's the way it's going to go down Purdue wins at northwestern gets a share of at least share the victim title. What would definitely be share because somebody's got to win the Michigan Michigan state game. So Purdue wins at northwestern gets share the big ten title a year after losing four starters. That's that's pretty impressive stuff from painter map painter. I think needs to be the the big ten coach of the year because of how much he lost and. I just don't think that they're. Beeline. Great don't don't get me wrong. He's done a fantastic job. It should be should be under consideration for that. But if you talked to big ten coaches, they they think that painters don't just he's done the most not with the least. But just if you take all the factors in that should be taken to count for for league coach of the air. I think it's painter. But you know, what the voting won't commence until after these games ended produce in Michigan wins belies probably gonna get it. Yeah. That's fair. Maybe it's crazy that it comes down to that. Like just one game can change a coach of the year. But you're probably right. That is the way it would go. And it's one thing to lose four starters at Duke because you got four McDonald's all Americans on their way, Saint Kentucky like Purdue didn't enroll like this top five recruiting class. They've been able to do this. With a bunch of guys is basically Carson Edwards and a bunch of guys having to adjust to new roles take on bigger roles, more responsibility. And that was the big question about Purdue in the preseason like Carson's, obviously great. But these other guys ready to take on next expanded roles and keep Purdue near the top of the big ten. I was skeptical. I was clearly wrong because not only are they near the top of the tin as long as they went north west. And they're gonna finish right at the top of the big ten. All right. I got a few games I wanna roll through. But before I do that. Anything else that you wanna hit on? I mean, if you got leaky black story, I'll listen to it saving it. Okay. So I'm not going to ask you to make predictions on a Friday, but I got a clue our listeners in because Friday night. Awesome movie. See turnament stuff Jaama rant going up against Jacksonville state house. Jacksonville state, by the way, we've talked a lot about Murray state talked about Belmont. I think Belmont should be in no matter what Jacksonville state has a win over Belmont. In Murray state actually has a sweep Belmont play Murray state once so Ray, hi Ray. Harper hats off to Ray Harper. Got a real real shot at being the I don't even know bid is the right term here because they've played better against marine Belmont than anyone else in the league. So it's Jacksonville state versus Murray. State Friday night Ohio valley conference tournament that's a ten o'clock tip on ESPN that will be preceded by Belmont playing Austin P these are the semi finals here. So the winners will play Saturday. We will get our first auto bid handed out the valley gets the stage to itself as it does only only only tournament on Saturday. It will provide an auto bid there. So we'll I think it will either be Belmont Murray state or Jacksonville state on the next podcast. I want five minutes to talk about whatever happens there, and we can into because we're going to get into either Murray state Belmont for sure is not gonna win it, and we'll get into their cases of them being deserving. But I know you want to jump in so fire away. I think it'll be see whether it should be or not is debatable. But it's probably going to be one bid league. That's at least what Jerry palm thinks and Saturday nights should be great. If we get it'll be great, whatever. But I mean, we could get in. According to the seat supposed to get Belmont against Murray. State Jaama rant and Dylan win there on the court. I mean, that's that's a fun. I mean for a chance to go to the NCAA tournament on what the chance to go to determine on the line. I know that there are bigger gains that are going to get more attention on Saturday night. But that'll definitely be on one of my screen. I'm in I'm in on at GP, actually, the Lovie C title game has been pretty awesome, and downright epic. A couple of times over the past five or six seasons. The way as for like Friday normally Friday night, like there's just not a lot of college hoops on my wife thinks that she is free and clear and wait till I drop under that I'm watching Rick burden Jamaran tonight. She is not going to be happy. But this is March on Saturday. Three auto biz will be handed out big south. Sorry. I'm Sunday as a big south, Missouri valley and ace son now big south. That's Chris Clemens and Campbell. So they still got it. They still got a breakthrough there. Iten camels, the fighting camels. That's that's correct. I had I had to allow you to to get that in there. But yes, oh Campbell will play Gardner Webb on Friday before having opportunity to to fight through and get get the auto bid on Sunday. The big south will not have tournament games on Saturday, the Atlantic sun. Hey, it's probably going to be a one bid league. I I understand all of that. But it's it's got the best to playing liberty and Lipscomb both fourteen in two in the league. This season have combined for. Fifty two wins and just twelve losses. Liberty Mason was earlier this season when it one at UCLA, and that was the game that ended the Steve Alford tenure you may recall Lipscomb has if lifts had beaten Belmont. Once I actually think it would be considered a more viable at large candidate killer for Lipscomb as this. It's split with liberty. But lost at Florida Gulf Coast in dunk city. Wasn't that good this season? But Lipscomb one at SMU it one at TCU, and the fact that TCU's drifting out of the tournament like it's not helping the cause there. But both these teams are good enough to win a game. And the incidentally, turnament they will fight for the auto bid in the Senate on on Sunday. Keep an eye out for that. We wait and see what happens with the valley. We don't know who's going to be. It's a one bid league. Will it be loyal Chicago? I don't know. We'll we'll touch on that as well on the Sunday podcast. But the point is we will have four NC double A tournament. Participants locked in by the time that we do our next podcast. I love these small conference tournaments do kind of wish that we'd have a w-. A way to reward the regular season best team and not necessarily have situation where leagues, you know, cannibalize themselves. But it is what it is. It does make for pretty good theater. There's no doubt about that. So just keep an eye on that there's other games. But we'll wait and see what happens, frankly, the big east is just a quagmire, obviously. And you've got teams like, Texas, etc. Estate. Will it be able to win and match case state and finished topic twelve we wait and see on that. You know, you've got bubble teams galore. But let's just we'll see how the weekend shakes out with all of that stuff. Because this is obviously the final go here before we get to league tournaments. I think it will be a pretty fascinating weekend. But every night Friday Saturday Sunday good games tournament action as well. And then and then we're really rolling there. So norlander said we're gonna have four auto bid settled by the time. We talk Sunday night, and it will the next podcast be late Sunday night because on Sunday, I'm flying to Charleston for the C a tournament. I'm gonna be doing sideline on CBS sports network for. Semifinals on Monday in the championship game on Tuesday. But I'm going there Sunday, and then I'll be at the quarterfinals on Sunday night. So we will record the next episode of the college basketball Cup podcast after I get back to my hotel in beautiful Charleston, South Carolina. So if you're looking for it on Sunday afternoon or early Sunday evening just not going to be there until late Sunday night. It'll be there for you. Obviously first thing Monday morning, if you want it then shouts to Devon Downey Xiaofei, Chester, South Carolina. Shasta Terry Intego. He's a legend Chesler. Now, if you haven't done it already, please go subscribe at the college basketball podcast. That's the best way to ensure you're gonna get the latest episodes as soon as possible to go knock that out if you haven't done it yet if you have done it. Thank you. We've noticed subscriptions up ratings and reviews, we owe you've ever appreciate we're gonna talk to you in late Sunday till then.

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02/27: Which coach came off worse on Tuesday: Iowa's Fran McCaffery or Arizona's Sean Miller?

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02/27: Which coach came off worse on Tuesday: Iowa's Fran McCaffery or Arizona's Sean Miller?

"Gary parachutes Wednesday, February twenty seven two thousand nineteen welcome back to the eye on college basketball podcast, where we sometimes discussed camel fighting and leaky black Matt norlander is here with the since we last spoke on Sunday night Kansas has beaten Kansas state to give it self shot to extend it streak of big twelve titles. The fifteen years Indiana has snapped. It's five game losing streak that was against Wisconsin on Tuesday night, LSU's trout waters has missed another game with an illness. Iowa's frame McCaffrey has reportedly dog customs official air Zona. Shawn Miller has told reporter to drive back to Phoenix because I'm millet doesn't want to answer questions about the subpoena. He'll likely be served later this year, which is interesting given that the spin essentially forced him to answer questions at some point lead to get to. But I wanted to start with the Duke blue devils because Duke is now one into since the moment Zion. Williams suffered a knee injury after his. Shoe exploded on national television lost at UNC last week then beat Syracuse this past weekend. And then on Tuesday lost Virginia Tech at for genetech while missing fourteen of the twenty one three pointers attempted obviously missing Zion Williams's the biggest deal. He's the national player of the your favorite for a reason. But with or without on Duke cannot shoot the blue devils or now shooting just thirty point seven percent from three point range on the season, which ranks three hundred twenty seven nationally and the blue devils and combined to make just twenty nine of the one hundred sixteen three pointers, Dave attempted in this season's four losses. Those losses coming to. Saga? Syracuse North Carolina and for Jinnah tech that calculates to just twenty five percent shooting. Twenty five percent from beyond the arc in the games that they've lost season. Norlander is trivia time. When was the last time a team won a national title because Duke is the national title favorite. When's the last time a team won the national title while shooting under thirty one percent from three point range for a season right off the bat right off the bat trivia time, great to be here. You sound amazing unlovely, by the way, I will leap anymore. I'm so excited. They got so tired. I was up to four in the morning. And now I'm in the nose up early this morning Reagan basketball teams arguing with people on on Twitter and can't even see straight. Okay. As for the question. Three point line came into effect. When are we thinking eighty eighty four? I believe the first season we had a three point line. In college basketball. I believe somebody can affect chick me if you want I believe it was the nine hundred eighty six eighty seven season eighty six eighty seven and this what team that won a national championship was the worship three point range. Not the question, by the way, the questions wins. The last time a team won national title while shooting under thirty one percent from three point range for the season. Because Duke right now is under thirty one percent there at thirty point seven percent. My blind guests will be so my first instinct is to say Yukon, twenty fourteen. You can't twenty fourteen was actually good. Okay. Keep in mind. I put all these numbers together while it was half asleep. So it's possible Mets. But what I'm showing you can't twenty fourteen shot thirty eight point seven percent from three point range Cuco. Yeah. And by the way, trivia time, not being completely factually accurate as a feature and not a bug. So we can just we can keep rolling with this. I just I just double checked it. You can't two thousand fourteen did shoot. Thirty eight point seven percent. Three point rates that ranked twenty fourth nationally. Okay. Then next inclined to say that it would have been a team in either the eighties nineties before you know, teams were much more inclined to shoot three little own shoot it accurately. So I will say. I will say Arkansas ninety four. Arkansas hundred ninety four shot. It's weird. The numbers are exactly the same. Thirty eight point seven percent from three point range thirty eight point seven. That's what it said. That's what my notes tell me. I really did go back and find every three point percentage for every national champion since nineteen eighty seven. I did also do this at like three thirty in the morning. So it's possible I missed one. But I don't think I did and the answer to the question. Well, give me one more. Yes. Give me one more. Guess my last guests is. My last guess would be c- unless I'm way off. I just don't think I don't think that it's a team in the past ten to twelve years. So my last guest, even if that's wrong. Let me love it out there. I will say so since eighty six eighty seven. I'll say. All right, man. GP? I'm gonna go with Michigan state in two thousand Michigan state in two thousand according to my notes shot. Is it possible? I really just wrote thirty seven point for everybody because it says thirty seven. What if I just thirty seven? No way. How are you? Three guesses all shoot thirty seven point eight we just entered into an episode of the twilight zone or something something's going just checked. It was sports reference. Michigan state two thousand shut thirty seven point eight percent. Just like Connecticut thousand fourteen and just like Arkansas always impossible that the three teams, I guess all in on the same percentage. I don't know. But it's. I don't know. But it's real it's real life. I just I delegate all of it. Okay. Let me take Arkansas right now. Arkansas nineteen Ninety-four stats. See it's coming up right in my little Google searches here. So this is proof. I actually did look it up last night. Arkansas nightstand. Four thirty eight point seven percent from me on the art. All right dotty Thurman, shot forty two point nine percent. How dare you by the way suggests that an Arkansas team with Scotty frigging Thurman shot under thirty one percent from three point range apologize Scotty Thurman, and while you're at it, by the way, apologize to Alex Dillard because he shot forty one percent, Alex Stiller. I'm not gonna Allah policy is a Scotty. I'm not apologizing to Alex Dillard, Alex, Dillard, use to pull from that that that hoax now. He pulled from the hawks. Now. No problem. All right. What's the answer? The answer to the question. The last team won a national title while shooting under thirty one percent from three point range for a season. It's never never happened. Never happened. You're asking this Duke team does not improve on its shooting from the perimeter. It will it will have to win a national championship doing something that literally nobody's ever done in the history. College basketball, and that shooting this poorly from beyond the arc the lowest that I found was two thousand eleven Connecticut. Shut thirty two point nine percent from three point range that surprise you. Not totally. But now, I know that trivia time can also include trick questions. I thought there was an actual answer. Like a real team that had done this. But okay, good to know what your options on trivia time. Always to say, I don't think that's ever happened. Okay. Fine. Duly, duly noted. This is why I've maintained that. I won't like, you know, do get back tomorrow and beat the next all of its remaining opponents Sunday by forty five points. I'm still not gonna pick them to win the national championship because we've never had a team rely on four freshmen as much as Duke relies on four freshman this season. It's also as bad as been from three point range of more than two decades and his bad. It's been from the foul line in more than two decades. So you can find those three factors. It's why I will not bring myself to pick due to win it all even returns. And they and they seemingly returned to form is the most dangerous team in college hoops well in a single limitation tournament. All that takes one of these disastrous gained like, obviously do can beat people shooting. You know under thirty one percent from three point range. They've been doing it all season. But if your let's just say seven of twenty three or seven of twenty four actually turns into seven of thirty three. Well, now, you've got real problems or. Or even worse like four of thirty three. Now, you've got real problems that can be difficult to overcome in a seven game series. I'd still pick them over anybody in the country. And I think I'll probably still pick the win the national championship. But you don't even have to use a big imagination to see them throwing up. One of these just disaster of game from three point range against a quality opponent. In the Sweet Sixteen and it's over you. Say real problem. I don't know if it's like a real problem that they have to fix or that they can fix, but it's a real issue that should give anybody pencilling and Mike suggest for a sixth national title a little bit of hesitation because that's that's not a minor slice insignificant thing. Not to mention that. I don't think this is a problem at all. Because I don't even view trae Jones as a freshman. I think he's tremendous. But beyond teams shooting this way from the perimeter literally never winning a national championship teams freshmen point guards. Don't don't usually win a national championships either. That's true. Although I can recall I can recall one right now off the top of my head in the past two decades trivia time, which one is it. Well, I can name to okay, it's era Zona with Mike Bibby, and it that's not Jones up. Well, that's AirAsia ONA was more than two decades ago. But okay, and then who's the other one? Ties Jones, right? Do. That's yes. Ties Jones and Jerry McNamara. Syracuse who's so it does happen. Not exceedingly common, Bibi was a freshman. When that happened, by the way, believe so. Yeah. Okay. I believe you. What's interesting? Right. So there's only a handful of times this is ever happened team. When a national championship with a freshman point guard, but go look at the top five right now, Duke freshman point guard Carolina freshman point guard, Kentucky freshman point guard. Three the best five teams in the country, or at least three the highest rank teams in the country through the top five. Right. Freshman point guard right now, which is kind of interesting. That is interesting. We'll see if it leads to a chance that we can have that repeated you right baby was a freshman back in ninety seven with Zona zehr. It's also the first time since two thousand four two thousand five at the ACC said three of the top five teams in the top twenty five poll back then it was heading into the tournament. When Duke gear allina and Wake Forest another era. Indeed, we're all in the top five one note on Duke here, and I bring this up because frankly, our our buddy and colleague John Rosty was unfortunately spreading some misinformation on Twitter on Tuesday night. And he got some blue. Back for it. But I want I want to clear this up because I do feel like sometimes fans might be a little bit misguided on what's already kind of complicated process when it comes to seating selection. Just because I am Williamson is not playing in these games doesn't mean that Duke is not going to be shoved to the side, and they're not gonna count they count. You take the losses now what can happen. And this is why we have a committee because frankly, we don't know if the net rankings take into account or don't the games Williamson does and does not play. So the human element the discussions that will be had there will potentially have an impact on where do planned. So do do get a pass because it's one and two and games without sign. Williamson absolutely not it's wide. Duke is off the number one overall seed line. I think in the eyes of most bracket tallest at this point with four losses, whereas Virginia Gonzaga with two apiece are really vying for that number one overall seats that I'd lean toward Virginia right now. We'll see how many games I continues to miss or doesn't. If he's able to return this weekend or not we don't know that. And whenever he does. Yes, Duke will be valuated on on them at full strength, but they'll still be docked for these losses. So the game on Tuesday night was significant for Virginia Tech because I actually think I think you can make a real case for tech right now to be on the four line. That's an important one. They didn't have Justin Robinson. So they get the credit for not having that player. Still getting the win. Even though it came on its home floor, whereas Duke losses should matter. And they will and if they get limps back and they continue to play. Well, like they're going to be firmly on the one line and potentially back in the mix for the number one overall seed if they win the ACC tournament, by the way, maybe winning at Carolina, and or beating them again or Virginia in the Terni. There's still a lot to be decided over I think it's great for culture. Because right now, we have a real toss up like we'll be Virginia Gonzaga or Duke for the number one. Overall seed Kentucky can still get there as well. Carolina can still get there as well. But I think both of those teams need to win their respective conference tournaments in order to do. So not. To mention both of those teams still have to face other teams vying for the one line before then in the regular season Carolina versus Duke, Tennessee and Kentucky will face there. And we'll see what Tennessee can do. So I thought Tuesday rattled the top of the bracket in a good way. I like a little bit of drama heading into March. And we got that. And you know, you you mentioned it, but it's worth repeating for didn't take shorthanded as well. They don't have just rom who's a top three score on that team. And and yet still Purdue tech is top twenty in the eleventh that Kim palm. So I know it was a loss. But it was really just a loss in a hostile environment to a top twenty team relative to the people atop eleven team at can palm. And it was you know, one possession. Final minute. Not the biggest deal in the world. Up next for Duke Saturday against Miami at Cameron indoor then Tuesday against Wake Forest at Cameron endorse. So the next two games are home games against unranked teams. You would imagine Duke wins those with or without Zion. And then the course they close Saturday March ninth at North Carolina, which will be the biggest game. Of that weekend. So I I would predict Duke is going to be a one-seat on selection Sunday. But to your point. Yes, just because. Trey Jones and Cam reddish weren't full participants in the Syracuse game back on January fourteenth. Does that doesn't mean that game doesn't count? It means the selection committee is filled with humans, and they'll understand the context of that game. But it will still be on the team sheet as a as a home loss to to Syracuse same thing with the loss to North Carolina. Same thing with the loss of Jinnah Tex. The selection committee will provide context for who was available and who wasn't in those games, but they'll still be on the team sheet. In the form of losses frame McCaffrey's, man. We're going to try to figure out why in a second. But first check this out. The tournament is quickly approaching. But did you know the countdown for the citizen Naismith trophy is already gotten started? If you're unaware the citizen Naismith trophy recognizes the impressive efforts of college basketball players rewarding their drive and achievements on the court past winners include Blake Griffin, Kevin Durant. Anthony Davis in many more excellent players now, unless you similarly talented those guys and eligible, you're not going to join that list, but you can still reward yourself with a new citizen watch with equal drive technology, which is obviously amazing, you know, longer need to worry about changing batteries because it's powered by any light. 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In other words, you'll never change battery again and on top of that citizen has daring technology options as well as awesome looking watches. So if you're looking for a new watch a sharp watch go visit citizen, watch dot com slash podcast and get the shop and that citizen, watch dot com slash podcast. So Ohio State beat Iowa ninety seventy on Tuesday night. Nafta word Iowa's sometimes hotheaded. Coach mccaffrey. He reportedly win at a referee a hallway inside Val. City arena. He again, reportedly called Steve MC Junkins a quote cheating him effor, and a quote f in disgrace norlander three questions for you one. Is there any evidence that Iowa was cheated on Tuesday night to why is France. So mad all the time and three does Steve MC Junkins. Does. He have mothers. Okay. I'm gonna walk that back. I'm gonna say notary. His wife is a mother. Okay. If you wanna get specific with that the answer it could have been factually accurate without knowing anything about Steve McDonald. I would assume Steve MC Dunkin's has indeed after mother at some point. Fair enough as for number two. Well, I you asked if they got sheet. What was number two is he mad all the time? This is one they were not cheated the officiating left, plenty to be as I was watching that on the on the smaller TV, the the Iowa State game primarily because state was you know. It's firmly on the bubble and it needed that win. Chris Oltman, they got themselves. Nice win. I think the buckeyes might be one win away from feeling secure in the field. I think they're going to get there. But for. Iowa. It didn't get a great whistle. I don't deny that. I'll hire state wasn't exceedingly beneficial. And if you lose by twenty I don't wanna hear it, and for friend, like I we don't know the we've heard we've we've heard the rep we've seen the reporting. They were the bowels of the arena who knows you know, the visual in which the official was within within shouting distance eyesight, a friend. I don't I don't know any of that. But what was reported is you just can't have it. And if it did happen like that by the within. Of course, the official is going to let the big ten director of officiating though about this. And of course, McCaffrey is going to be talked to if that's the case. And you can't have this for McCaffrey isn't doing something every single game. And frankly, he hasn't had a major episode every single season, but he's had enough of them where. The parish. We talked about this. I think two years ago. I mean, unfortunately, the reputation has been established and in many ways, like McCaffrey good guy to talk to you know, a lot of positive qualities. But he is become one of the poster boys for college basketball coaches who can't keep their stuff together. Just as the case. And this kind of thing we we saw we we saw that a reporter pass it along. And then there was a second account that confirmed it I mean, you just can't have this. It's horrible look. And by the way, his son also got a technical. So we got the rare father son technical in the same game. We'll see if the bay Heim family can can match with the McCaffrey's did here probably unlikely given buddy behinds general disposition, but. I know you've got on this. But it's just it's it's a letdown from a cafe, and it's another bad look for Iowa who by the way, in the midst of all of this, you know, suspended its its radio play by play announcer for the rest of the year. For for, you know, a regrettable comment, and you can you can go ahead and Google that. If you choose to the Iowa fan base has rallied behind the play by play announcer and gone after McCaffrey gone after the AD even harder. So things have been quite busy and buzzy at Iowa over the past week or so. I I I couldn't I could never see buddy behind talking to an official the way that the the McCaffrey's talked to an official and. Yeah, like, I it's hard for me to say how I would be if I were basketball coach. You know, how I would talk to officials or just other humans. But like it does seem that France way over the line. I mean think about your your own life wins. The last time you were face to face, or at least in the general vicinity of another human and yelled at them. You MFN? Cheater you cheating im- effor. Your effing disgrace. Have you ever said that anybody much this morning? Okay. Goes without saying that you're gonna talk to the people you live with and who mess up your home nonstop like in that way. I mean, people that you don't actually have to deal with on a daily basis. No. That's honestly, the that's why sometimes it's like, it's inappropriate. But it's hilarious. Like if you look at this the human to human communication in context of all of this. It's it's bizarre. And it's also why I've always thought it's interesting how college in college basketball, it's the coach to act this ridiculously you never see pro coaches act like this. And yet it's the reverse with the players in the NBA. It's the receipt. Wallis Tim Duncan every single player practically it's like, oh my God. I couldn't have possibly found him or you out of your mind. Whereas you almost never see that with college basketball players. So the roles are flipped with the with the two sports. Why I think it's probably the power dynamics at the college level. It's the coaches who have all the power in the NBA players who have all the power, and so they react to things accordingly. But yeah, it's just not a good, look and. You're exactly right about France. Like in a in a different setting. He's a different guy. Like, I said down with big ten media day back in October November whenever that was. And we had a pleasant conversation. His son. I think I think it's an also plays baseball. Maybe and his son just hit like a walk off Homer or in some sort of exhibition or something that I'd read about. So we were talking we were just to father sitting there talking about our children on a personal level. Like, I like frame, McCaffrey fine. But he's had some moments on camera. And then this one off that just seem unbecoming of you know, one of the highest paid university employees if not the highest paid him university employ. You know in the in the state of Iowa like there should be a I think at least just a a way a way different standard, you hold if nobody else hold you to it. And today, nobody's else friend anything can tell. But if other people aren't gonna hold you to it. Maybe you hold yourself to it just a different standard, the the idea that you know, after getting smacked around on the road. You know, I don't care how bad of a whistle. They got the reason they lost to state by twenty eight because of the officials it might just be because states pretty good and you're on the road, and this happens against pretty good teams on the road sometimes, but to be going after an official in I don't wanna be overdramatic and say things like and using that language because like I use that language, but I don't use it directed at other humans. I just use it in like really directed at myself. I really just call myself these things, but. He's at a line. And I think he'd be better served if he cut it out if it's even possible, and if he can't do it on his own, and I'm being sincere sincere here. Like, maybe get some help to help you handle yourself in those situations a little better because. Regardless of what I think or what you think he should be embarrassed. I mean, he he's become as you said the poster boy for for bad college basketball behavior on the sideline or wherever else. Like, he's a joke. Now people mock him last night on Twitter he was being mocked with me. After me, Mr. me, and I can't imagine you wanna be that guy. I betting never intended to be that guy. But he is that guy right now. Now. The of ficials is nothing new. It happens doesn't make it. Right. But it's just happens like more than half the college coaching population. M F's officials and a lot of these are are great guys to deal with and they do a lot of great things. But when it comes to the in game dynamic, a certain switches flipped on and you don't wanna have it. But it's just inevitable. I mean, that's just that happens in multiple sports. But what the accusing the official of cheating, which you know. Frankly, is is a direct accusation of nefarious activity that there was some reason he would have been inclined to either job Iowa or help Ohio State. You can't have that. But it introduces a tricky tricky environment here because it wasn't caught publicly. This is behind this is in the bowels of the arena who knows how many people were within earshot of this. But nevertheless, if the official goes to his director and says this happened we have multiple. Media reports that it did happen. I think you have to suspend frame McCaffrey for a game for this. You cannot have coaches. He would never how about this way. If he said that a press conference he'd undeniably get suspended. So he saying it within that context where he still within earshot of like if you want to say it behind closed doors on the bus, ride home and just vent. That's one thing. But when you are still within earshot or visibly. You know, within the realm of reporting and media and just the general population that's working back there. You can't have it. So I don't know. I don't think that he will get suspended. Maybe it's just I think a reprimand as meaningless as those things are that feels probably inevitable. You cannot have this. And I think the right thing to send the proper message would be to sit him for a game. If you're making me guess one or the other I'll say it doesn't happen. But that's what I would do if I'm the big ten if I'm Jim Delaney of the conference, I cannot I have no issue personally with coach is going after officials when the wrong and expressing their frustrations, but you have to draw a very very stark line. And you cannot have with an absence of real evidence, your coaches of cues ING officials of being on the take of cheating of having illicit motivations. So I don't know if that's going to happen. But I'd sit them for a game. You make an important distinction. It's one thing to say. Man. This official did a terrible job may. And we got a bad whistle, man. That guy missed a call. It's another thing to call. Somebody a cheating MFA because that implies intent officials could miss calls. It's a hard job officials could have bad games. Just like players could have bad games on forget when I played soccer when I was a kid. We would have this one official referee pretty regularly, and I was a captain on our team. So I would always be at midfield just before kick-off in. Shake other people's hands and whatever and the the referee. I can still remember this all these years later. He would look at us. And he's saying. Have you ever played a perfect game? I'd say, no, sir. And he's asked everybody your played a perfect game. He's okay. Cool. I've never called a perfect game either. So I'm not gonna get mad at you. When you mess up today. Don't yell at me when I mess up today. I'll do my best you guys do your best. And it was like, yes, sir. Yes, sir. But that's always stuck with me because I find it to be fundamentally true the ficials out there with rare exception because I do know that Tim Donnie story the fficials out. There aren't trying to cheat anybody they're doing the job as best. They can't it doesn't mean. They don't have bad games or bad weeks. Or maybe they're just not maybe they're just bad guys are just bad at their jobs, but they're not out there cheating. And so it's one thing frame McCaffrey is saying you missed this. Call to call somebody cheating emeperor is to imply that they went out of their way with intent to cost you something. And I don't know Stephen Junkins all but I can't imagine. That that's really what happened which which I think is evidence that the frame was over the line. And I'm with you. It's also one thing to just say random setting that. The referee, Mr. call the referee. We didn't get a good whistle, whatever if you believe the quote entrust it, and I have no reason not to because friend nobody else refuted at this point the quote was you cheating him effor. That means he's yelling at Stephen Junkins. Right. Wasn't just like Stephen Junkins cheating for when the quotas you cheating MFA. That means you're yelling at that person. That means he called a referee either to face or to his back, depending on how they were situated. 'cause I imagine the scene is an official walking to their locker room and France chasing him down the way crazy coaches sometimes do. Call somebody cheating over the line. I mean, I don't know what the big teams going to do they might not do anything. But if they suspended him for at least a game, it it wouldn't be at a line far as I'm concerned. Okay. So from one coach is reaction to another. Do you think and set this up for audience? Do you think what? Shawn Miller did on Tuesday press conference was over the line. I don't think what Sean did was over the line. I mean, it might have been. But I think it just does Shawn. No, no favors. I mean, I would not have seen that moment. If he didn't create that moment. I wasn't in Tucson. But listen man your program is in this situation. Perhaps no fault of your own. But almost nobody believes that you've got one assistant like your right hand man for a decade. Arrested charged with a federal crime yet. Another assistant get fired for allegedly violating rules. You. You got the Andrea eight, and when we know that according to text messages TJ gas Nola paid Lor now for crying out loud and tried to get him to go to Kansas and try to get him to go to cave. And it's like that was the Texas James don't ever forget this between Bill self TJ as Nola TJ gas, Nola is more or less promising Bill self. Are. Adidas Keynes's bond is strong. It's Kansas one. Everybody else second. I'm gonna do everything. I can do to make sure I get you. What you need. And the only time I've ever let you down is with the Andrea eight and LOL. Yeah. Don't ever forget that we get paid one of the Andrea real money, that's Lor. Now schaus too. Him. And also promised Bill self. He would do whatever he had to do to get things done. And the only time he'd ever let him down was with the Andrea. So if you wanna believe the Andrea and went to Arizona for nothing, you can if you want to I'm just telling you, nobody outside of the state of Arizona actually believes that. And so not to mention all the other stuff right on Quinn early. I mean. But if you listen to those wiretaps or read the transcripts transcripts or any testimony that came out in the federal trials earlier or late last year. Like Arizona at least according to the people who are caught up in. This thing was the one school like willing to buy just about anybody like Arizona's willing to do this. Arizona's willing to do that airs owns willing to do that. And Sean Miller overseas that program so you're programs in this spot. You might say anything and do with you. But again, nobody outside of Arizona believes that at the very least you were covering your ears and covering your eyes. But again, most people don't even believe that. So this is this is where you're at. And it's been reported earlier this week, you're gonna be subpoenaed. And you are if Christian doc is actually goes to trial, perhaps if not probably going to be put on a stand under oath, and you're gonna have to ask answer real questions that I imagine are difficult and for you to be dismissive of of the story and then dismissive of person. Doing just simply doing the job that that they're hired to do. Let me rephrase my initial answer to your question. Yeah. I do think he was over the line out of line. He didn't handle that moment. Well, and if he can't handle that moment. Well, good luck. When you're under oath with tourneys coming at you because they won't be nearly as gentle, and you won't be able to tell them to drive anywhere. There's a rising expectation that Shawn Miller will be called to the stand win. The next trial case goes to trial. I should say which is scheduled to happen in April after the season is over. This is the same case that his assistant book Richardson, and other coaches have pleaded out on but Christian doctrines and Merle code who are facing separate charges into separate case have not plead it out and their attorneys have maintained they will not now part of that is because the the attorneys they wanna get the coach on the stand because they want to try as best they can to paint a picture of what's actually happening in college athletics, which they obviously failed to do. In the first one should also be noted that this upcoming trial will not have the same judge barring something I'm completely unaware of. I'm of the understanding that will be different judges time. Obviously, it will be different jury. We wait and see on all that. But what happens here, the context of all this is yahu comes out with report on Monday that says will Wade and Sean Miller. Are are likely to be subpoenaed soon in the way that it's being done is not in the typical way where you have someone walk up and be like, oh, Trump my back, and you pick that up for me you see in the TV shows in the movies. And it's like you've been subpoenaed. It's done in a more tactful way that doesn't draw a lot of attention because they are high profile individuals. And so we wait on them to get their officials subpoenas. But they've been notified that they are indeed coming so in light of this happening, obviously, it's significant news in college basketball. What happens is Shawn Miller. Does these press conferences once or twice a week or whatever? Right. And he has got with the exception of maybe some national media jumping in here. They're when they're coming to see a game or frankly cover this story or do something else. It's usually the same group of people. You don't often have different people from news organizations or whatever from throughout the states show up. Well, the report comes in Miller has a press conference, and he sees anywhere from three to six to seven faces that he just doesn't see his press conferences normally. And so he gets defensive about it because he knows why they're there. And also, you know has to be said that he was asked about this. Apparently, I did not watch the entire eighteen twenty minute press conference video, but I have seen the tweets reports he was asked about this. And he responded that he would have no comment. It was another reporter who doesn't cover the team on a day-to-day basis followed up, and then he said, no comment. You can drive back to Phoenix, which I might start instituting on the podcast whenever you want to try and refute me parish. I might just be like you can drive back to Phoenix. So he didn't let loses cool, but it was a moment that drew some attention there because I don't know what we should expect military saying, but Miller also needs to know that these questions are going to come and he should in a way probably be thankful that he is not gonna play in the installation, barring a huge one in the Pac twelve Turney because that is the kind of setting where? It is absolute opened fire, and it is more high profile from a press conference standpoint than almost anything that you can have during the regular season. Now, he doesn't have to give up information. But if he simply instead of just completely dig in the heels in and trying to burn a hole with reporters face. He can say, I hope you understand. I know you have jobs to do and some of you came out here. And drove the whatever it is two three hours from Phoenix to Tucson, given the nature of the case, I can't speak about this. I respect the fact that you have to ask questions, but I have no comment, and when the time is appropriate or under different circumstances. I'll be able to speak about it more. But that's all I can say if he just simply gives two or three sentences that explains it. Yeah. Maybe it opens up for a follow up. But you gotta deal with it, man. That's what you're paid for. And he's also I think he's just under a lot because there have been multiple meetings about his future the future of the program and with this looming inquiry, you know, the formal probe. We don't know. If in win, and what kind of sanctions that could come under. Yeah. So his job is under attack. And when you make an extremely good living at one of the top ten jobs in America. And that is that is being threatened. Then I can understand where he's coming from. But I just think he could handle a little bit better. You're exactly right, by the way, public relations wanna one. I mean, you just answer the question the way you described with a smile, and every everybody leaves no big deal. It's just like, listen, I understand why you're here. And I understand why you would ask that question perfectly reasonable question. And I wish I could answer it. But given the the reality that this is still developing criminal case, I've just been advised by my you know, I've just been vise not to talk about it. I hope there is a day that I will be able to talk about it. I look forward to telling my story. But I just can't do it today into these circumstances. And I'm sure you understand easy. You come across like a totally reasonable person. But no comment you can drive back to Phoenix. You're not doing yourself any favors. Like, let's show Miller. No me anything or I guess not. That report. I'm just saying Shawn Miller is doing himself. No favors by handling that moment the way he handled that moment, and I'm not sure why somebody couldn't have helped him with that in advance. Because it should not be a surprise that. He was going to be asked in some form by somebody about the report that he's getting ready to to to maybe have to testify under oath about lots of things that could create uncomfortable conversations. Let me ask you this. Because I had somebody asked me, and there could be other coaches subpoenaed and forced to testify as well. But right now, the report from our friends, Pat forty in Dan, Wetzel, when Pete them on is that we'll wait and Shawn Miller, both are two coaches that are expected to be subpoenaed. The obvious question is can can either or both survive it? And I guess I would just say this because this is what I said to somebody on radio yesterday. I said, I I'm not gonna speak and salutes about what Shawn Miller did or did not do or will way did or did not do or Shawn Miller did or did not know or we'll wait did. Or did not know, but I will say this take those two guys put them over here. And let's just talk vaguely or you know, generally about college basketball coaches, I I think it'd be tough for almost any. I don't wanna paint with a broad brush. I'm in a pretty broad brush, but not completely broad brush. I think it'd be tough for anybody who consistently recruits at the highest level of the sport in roles. Five-star guys particularly five star guys from outside of their natural recruiting base. To be placed under oath and be asked questions about the world of recruiting or things they may or may not have done testify honestly in not really put themselves in some some difficult situations from an employee perspective. I don't know that Shawn Miller will have to testify anything that will put him at legal risk. Same thing with will. But could they have to testify about stuff that could put them at NC AA risk? I mean that. You know, maybe not again, maybe not. But whoop. Boy. I wouldn't wanna be that guy. Yeah. Right. And we will see one if they wind up even getting called to the stand. Roll reminds you that when I sat in that courtroom in October. And I saw the defense team try and bring elements into its arguments that the judge just was not having that would to you and me, and so many others that follow in no college athletics. It'd be like that seems exceedingly relevant to what we're talking about here. But from a from a legal from a la- tickets from as you judicial standpoint with the very basic, the basic tenants of the case that judge wasn't having any of it. So we will see obviously, you know, you put high profile college basketball coaches under oath that is going to perk up a lot of ears wide. And a lot of is the potential still there for that. And if they do get to that point. Yes, I think it does make them all the more vulnerable to the instable a, but we will wait and see on on all of that. And if and when that happens that will be frankly that will be the. As soon as the final four ends attention will turn to that. In that case, by the way is also scheduled to to happen in New York. And if indeed it goes on his planned, I will be there on the ground. And and we will we will have no shortage of podcast fodder as that place out last thing before we get out of here. Big game in the big e scheduled for Wednesday night. It's number ten. Marquette at unranked Villanova that's unranked Villanova that's three straight games to unranked teams tip scheduled for nine PM eastern. And if Marquette wins, it will secure at least a share of the biggies title because again, Villanova's now on a three game losing streak that means if Marquette wins Marquette within only need to be Creighton or Georgetown at home to secure an outright biggies, title norlander. It's trivia time. When was the last time Marquette won outright biggies title. Trick question. It's never happened. When was the last time Marquette, you're correct. By the way, when was the last time Marquette shared a big title trick question. It's never happened. That is not true. Okay. William's, did it in two thousand thirteen. They were biggies coach. This did surprise me. Marquette's only one at least a share or an outright conference championship three times ever. Does it seem low it it does seem low? So I ninety four great midwest. I was going to say great midwest conference that they ever win it. Okay. Ninety four and now four win blessed outright champs two thousand three. They were the the champion of the American division of conference USA. Memphis won the national division, but Marquette had the better or league record. So perhaps you can call them conference champions, and then two thousand thirteen two thousand thirteen big east co champs, and that's three conference championships history of the program. That's a program. That's got a national championship and only three conference championships in history. That was surprising to me. Right. But if memory serves, I I'm almost positive that they were an independent when they won the national title. And they were weirdly independent for a long time. So yeah, you're right. But if you like they have not been a part of a conference for seventy eighty years, I wanna say that they were independent until like. The early nineteen eighties. So that you can't win a conference. If you have a conference first off your exactly, right. I didn't really realize that that's wild. How were they not in a conference for millionaires? I think I think college basketball athletics conference affiliation from up until basically like the late nineteen eighties. It was it was it was a wild west. Like, we we Stelling continental shifts and all this stuff. Like, we finally got some sort of semblance into the early nineties mid nineties, and even then it went from big eight to twelve pack tend to pack twelve like, it's conferences are always shifting. But. Yeah, Marquette's one of those weird ones we have a devoted and beloved Marquette listening contingent that will probably be able to detail we're not asking for this. But I know they can the the either the political nature or the athletic nature of why they went so long without having a conference affiliation. But regardless I remember that being a thing where they wanted as an independent when they won the whole thing and seventy seven, and and so there you go that would that would help explain it. But just real quick cheapie on eleven. I got the details here. Now, they didn't. They didn't join a conference. Until nineteen ninety could got so, yeah, they've got they've got three conference championships in their history trivia time. In you name, the coaches of those three teams already told you one way. So once buzz once cream, right, right, right? Okay. It who won the calmer. Marquette. There's just there's there's no shot. I can name. I have no idea who was coaching more cut ninety four who was. The home. Kevin o'neill. He's not the homie. But okay. I guess I guess new coach Marquette, but if I forgotten about that the homey big as my big, homey, Kevin O'Neill. Okay. All right. So there you go crane O'neil, buzz Williams. Whoa. Joe will be the fourth because they're going to they're going to get this done. I had someone asked me if Marquette wins out and not just regular season biggies tournament would with Emma shot to see they'd be a lock for two seed a four loss. Marquette team is landing on the to line. No matter what happens, but they gotta do it. And I don't think that they're going to get to. I don't think you're gonna get this win. Now Villanova has been bizarre parish four or five all the all the losses have come on the road, but still like look bad against savior lackluster against Georgetown. Frazzled against Saint John's and ill-equipped against Marquette, therefore, most recent losses. The gotta get things turned here. Things have things have spoiled in a hurry on Villanova. And it's a statement overall on the biggies which is way down the season. I mean, you had Butler lose a game on Tuesday night at home to providence Butler is. Out of the tournament picture as far as I'm concerned. So at this point, you know, the big is coming off a season in which had six teams in the tournament. And it's taken a massive step back here. It's still ranks fifth at Ken Palmer overall strength GP. But it's it's a week five. I actually think there's a there's a big gap between a big big ten big twelve ACC SEC. And then when you get to the big east Pac twelve in the American and the rest of the groups out there Marquette's fine. Saint John's going to get in without too much of an issue Villanova should get in. But it's just it see slipping, and then you get into. Seton Hall Xavier Creighton Butler like Georgetown, none of these teams are inspiring from an incident tournament, large perspective. And here's the ironic thing like Seton Hall Xavier Georgetown, Creighton Butler. They're all sub five hundred in the league weirdly, I could've set you up at the trivia time. Damn it. Why did I miss that? So here's the here's the trivia time without the without the question. The big east is the only conference in America in which all of its teams are above five hundred. But it's a bad year for the league, undeniably, a big step back. So kind of weird how? Thinks shaken out there, but novas got to win this, man. If Melva loses I have a hard time believe in how any biggies team is in better than seven outside of Marquette on selection Sunday, I will take the Wildcats to win at home. Yeah. I think Villanova probably wins at home as well. But I think Marquette still probably wins the outright biggies tidal. But I think it's only like a four and a half point underdog at Villanova, and that just sort of speaks to not necessarily how well markets playing but how poorly Villanova's implying again, three straight losses to on rank teams. How why was it that your three guesses for three point shooting teams where all thirty eight point seven percent thirty eight point seven or thirty seven point eight. I believe let me see here. Thirty eight point seven that we go that is. That all timer? That's an all time podcastone because the fact that you even had three national championship winning teams that landed on that exact percentage for a season's worth of data. And then that I would guess one two three random years. Those teams they all happen to land on it. That's that's straight up. That's incredible shelves to Devon down. Just Justice out. Carolina shots to Terry Teagle. He's alleged shells to learn now shells to Kevin own tail. Remember? College basketball. I guess the apple podcasts if you've already done it. Thank you think you think you it helps us but also ensures you'll get the episodes as quickly as possible if you haven't done it yet, really only takes minutes. Please. Do that subscribed. Five stars. Nice comments. That's all I've ever asked. From me. We will talk to you again to preview the weekend either Thursday night or Friday morning. We'll figure that out. Until then.

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Kansas' NCAA Violations

"You're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your short list of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash outside team right now the feels more directionless than this into the water and the risk is never supposed to be in the situation that they're in right now one ten win season since two thousand six. They're they're just terrible. Whether he's sick or not was out of Jacksonville before okay. I am told he is actually sick. Sick sick right. I mean we regard to Melvin Gordon. Deals is best bet is to wait at home and see how it plays out. It's really no end in sight the NCWA hit Kansas with a notice of allegations on Monday charge the university with lacking institutional control. I mean if they take out Kansas. Pack your bags now because they get Kansas. They're getting everybody else. Welcome outside lines. I'm Jeremy Schaap later in the this show report on the domestic violence red flags the NFL might be missing when it comes to hiring and the NCAA takes aim at the University of Kansas but I in our big story the Washington redskins a once proud team that is now accustomed to misery this is Dan Snyder's twenty first season as the owner of a franchise that had had been one of the NFL's elite which hasn't won a home playoff game in twenty years last night. Washington fell to Owen three and was blown out by the bears the reality starting to sink in with the underperformance of a defense that was thought to be solid going into the season or not just to deepen the entire football team Jay GRUDEN. I think he's on borrowed time here in Washington a performance like this tonight on Monday night football the offense has largely been lifeless penalties the owner Dan Snyder he wants better with an owner who's extremely unpopular not coincidentally also extremely unsuccessful for what does it mean to be a redskins fan. These days Washington Post sports columnist varies for Luga has been all over the dysfunction in his latest column asks the question. What is this season even about all right bury. So will you answer that question for us now. Well I mean we can break down the specifics of a football game and why they lost on Monday night in embarrassing fashion but I think what that Owen three start gets to are the macro questions about this this franchise who should be the coach does that even matter. The Dan Snyder is on his eighth coach Jay Gruden. Should they immediately turn to a rookie quarterback who's going to be minding that rookie quarterback teaching that rookie quarterback going forward with Twain Haskins and what is the front office structure their Bruce L. and the team president has had a variety leave responsibilities with his over his decade with the team. None of it has led to success. He's fifty nine in eighty in his tenure there. I think any sort of minutia look the redskins right. Now is beside the point you need to look at the major questions about this franchise right minutia to focus on just one game like last night's blowout route but at this point in time when you look at the arc of Daniel Snyder's ownership over the last two decades are we at the neigh- deer in which would be saying something you're talking about a franchise that in midstream of one season called in an offensive coordinator to take AAC overplay calling who had been running Bingo Games at an old folks home the week before and I'm barry exactly exactly so I I think it's like it feels like they're all the time around here because as you've said it was a once proud franchise the people who are in the core of the fan base in their forties and fifties he's who were raised as Redskins fans under gibbs and Rigaud and thighs men and all that are trying to raise their kids in that way and it's not working because it's not fun to go to the to the stadium. It's not a pleasurable experience. You have very low expectations that you're going to get a good product winning product and it all turns back to the owner her who has not produced a single eleven win season in his twenty one seasons as owner. I mean it is amazing as you say Berry. It's five winning seasons in twenty seasons. That's it's three ten win seasons and two nine win seasons. He's never had a team that you could characterize as excellent. What is his is self awareness here. Does he recognize deep down. We all know he grew up is a big fan of this team does he does. He know that he's a failure. Here's an owner. It's really impossible for us to know because he is so walled himself off from the public. There's never an expression of I am the owner of this team. I care about this as much as you do fans in and more it is on me to fix it. He doesn't put himself out to say those things he does. Not Put Bruce Allen his self selected team president with a link to those glory days whose dad was George Allen the former redskins coach he he those people never expressed abreast publicly what they think the direction of the franchise is and should be they leave whoever the coach in the moment is hang them out to dry and say this is what's going on the Trent Williams hold or this is why we made this draft pick. It's really an odd odd state of affair. Here's the thing right in the NFL. The League is built built in such a way. There's no relegation like Europe. If you have a lousy record you get high draft picks. It's there's a salary cap. It's built to prevent this kind of you've continuous misery. You would think there would be a breakthrough if nothing else just through sheer luck and that's what's mystifying about it we now. It's not a small sample hillside anymore. It is the twenty first year of his ownership. They are on their eighth coach and it's what leads me to believe that anybody who's in this environment as the head coach can't be judged in the job solely on what he does here because no one has succeeded and I'm talking about Mike Shanahan two-time Super Bowl winning coach who came here and failed Joe Gibbs who had won the super bowl's here came back and couldn't get them further than they had been Everybody okay who walks in the door walks out tarnished in some fashion as you said berries for Luga just said eight head coaches to playoff wins Berry. Thank you for joining us. Thanks Jeremy and is very just mentioned the season of discontent. It's continuing for Trent Williams. It's been playing out in the media since early. June when left tackle didn't and show up for the first day minicamp by holding out. He's calling himself millions of dollars finds. Mr Earnings he was dot forty thousand dollars per day missed in training camp now his miss game checks accounting for more than six hundred thousand dollars per week when considering loss bonus opportunities through week three the overall tally climbing climbing into the four million dollar range in the meter is still running for more on Trent Williams to hold out left tackle for the Washington Redskins we welcome in our ESPN ESPN NFL insider here Dan Graziano. I thought I was going to see on the Monitor you sitting right here with what's going on with. Trent Williams. Of course there wasn't just it wasn't just money. There was surgery as well spring and you look that graphic you guys out four million dollars. Obviously this is not just about money or else you no he'd be there. Yes there's two years left on his contract and maybe he wants more but my understanding and Trent Williams and his people have been extremely quiet on this. It's been tough to get information but my understanding thing is that it's tied to that. Medical issue had in the off season. He has issues with members of the medical staff. The training staff of the team doesn't want to be a part of the organization as long as they are. Dr And he's willing to sit out until they trade him or whatever he's made a lot of money in his career. It's not like he needs this so so far he has held firm and said. I'm not going back there and that speaks with getting out in terms of the culture around the team. I mean if you have a former number one number four overall draft pick who's been that great for. He doesn't want to be there anymore for how much they need him. We watch the game last night. I mean obviously that's a tough test against the bears front but Trent Williams is one of the top four or five left tackles in the game and that may be underselling or selling him so yeah it would make a huge difference to whatever they're trying to do on offense right now be at case keenum be Dwayne Haskins talk about Dwayne Haskins plays. I'm sure they would rather have their left tackle before they do that so yeah. He's he's one of the very best players on their team and they miss him. It's nothing you were talking about holdouts of course in the NFL but it seems like the trend has been accelerating accelerating and your reporting tells us that the front offices of all these teams Park Avenue. They're getting fed up. They want to try tried to address this in a strategic way. What is the thinking now. During the current round of collective bargaining negotiations owners have proposed strengthening ranking the penalties for training camp holdout at this point. You can be fined forty thousand dollars a day for missing camp. You can find a game check for missing a preseason game. They want to make that even more severe ear. If possible to to reduce the chances of players doing it we saw high profile hold out with Ezekiel. Elliott this year that worked out for him in other one. We're seeing Melvin Gordon here. That obviously obviously hasn't worked out for him yet. Teams are looking down the road. If you're the New York giants saquon Barkley in two years could be in the exact same position Ezekiel Elliott just was and you don't WanNa be in a position from where you don't have him for training camp so it's it's another issue of control right. It's not money it's control owners. Versus players and the owners in this case are seeing some control erode because of the success of these player holdouts and the willingness of these players to engage in them and they want to do something to discourage and we talk about control. You're also talking about players now. Demanding Trades Allah Jalen Ramsey says he's sick we should acknowledge that but Adam silver's dealing with this in the NBA and he says it's a scourge scourge. How are they looking at it in the NFL well yeah if it got to the point where the that's their fear is that it turns into the NBA where players can go wherever they want but I mean I think the genie's out of the bottle here I mean players understand their value on a level that they didn't use to and they recognize their power on a level that they didn't use to and if you're a star player you have some leverage and we're seeing guys is flex it. I don't think the owners will succeed. In getting draconian penalties for holdouts put into the next day and I don't think they'll succeed in convincing star players that they have to stay put just because that's what their contracts says Dan. Thank you for joining us. I pleasure thank you. We were able to exercise some right here. Get your free right here just in case now turning into basketball Monday the NCAA level charges against the University of Kansas and it's basketball program including longtime coach bill self the NCAA says Kansas is guilty of a lack of institutional institutional control language for serious violations. Bill self came out swinging response this statement saying in part no secret that there's tremendous tremendous pressure on the NCAA to respond to the Federal Court proceedings involving college basketball in its haste and attempt to regain control the enforcement staff has created a false narrative regarding knee me and our basketball program for more we welcome ESPN senior writer Mark Schlabach Mark. We can talk about bill sells define in response the response from the school itself very much the same terms of tone absolutely seating no ground here whatsoever. What does that tell us. It's about the way they're going to approach this over the course of the ninety days they have to respond Jerry. It's clear Kansas has bill selves back. They Avid coaching staff back. I think there is some skepticism not only Kansas but other places around the country that the is actually gonNA come after a blue blood programs program like the Jayhawks in the past the enforcement staff the committee on infractions as an shown a lot of teeth when it came to the most successful programs most accessible coaches inches like bill self and I think given what transpired with North Carolina with the academic standing on the lack of penalties in that case I think it is involved in a lot of schools data coaches directors to your father. Does this speak to a strategy as you suggest that look. They're not going to touch us. We mean too much then the NCAA right now is in perhaps in historically precarious position being assaulted on all sides whether you're talking about the courts sports the FBI you're talking about if not the NCAA itself but it schools in the policies at those schools. We've got legislatures. New York and California trying to pay athletes elites is feeling perhaps on the part of the schools that the NCAA's week and we don't have to bend now but I think there's an assault on amateurism the amateurs model I think there's been a massive shift in public perception that these kids should beginning paying in some cases regardless of getting out Howard getting paid you know see where it goes with these new laws in states across the country but you know talking to coaches which is around the country. They tell me you know if rules are in place we have to follow the rules for nothing else competitive balance and I think we're GONNA you know I. I think we'll just have to wait and see is not. Nothing's GonNa come to an end anytime soon. Kansas and the other schools involved in this probably aren't going to get in front of the committee on infractions until you'll next summer or a spring twenty twenty. There's a lot of silk play out if the school continues to back him to the hilt is bill self safe here are his assistant safe bill sell safe as long as they don't get hammered aw made it clear that they're going to support him and they don't think that he was intimately involved in these payments to players. There is no proof that he was was involved. There are text messages between he and Adidas consultant. TJ Gas Nala says any real guys. You can infer what you want with with that but you know it's GonNa be interesting because it's a it's an interesting strategy by insane forces staff suggested the Adidas consultants like Tj Gas Nola were boosters for Kansas. Jayhawks attorneys are GONNA attack that argument as well and of course because of the time line here. We're not expecting any ramifications on the upcoming season for the Jayhawks expected to be one of the best teams in college basketball mark. Shaw aw we always appreciate your insights. Thanks for joining us when we returned the NFL's policies on domestic violence again in the news this time though the the subject is how it screens coaches when it comes to hiring you don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified. The five candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot. COM POST A job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates using an intuitive online dashboard word and when you need to hire fast accelerate your results with sponsor jobs new users can try it for free at indeed dot com slash outside. That's indeed dot com slash outside aside terms conditions and quality standards apply outside the lines is brought to you by Corona Rona premier lower carbs lower calories higher expectations enjoy the view mm-hmm. Here's more stuff to matters Russia once again in jeopardy of being excluded from major sports events including the twenty twenty Olympics the World Anti Doping Agency giving Moscow three weeks to explain inconsistencies including deleted information in data submitted by Russian lab as part of the process of Russia's reintegration after three or suspension for state sponsored doping and more than a half century after being vilified for raising their fists on the medals podium. It's Mexico City Olympics protesting protesting racial oppression Tommie Smith and John Carlos golden bronze medalist in the two hundred meters will be inducted the US Olympic and Paralympic Hall of fame. The two who former sprinters will be inducted November I along with the rest of the class of twenty nineteen which also includes Lisa Leslie Apollo Anton Ohno and the nineteen eighteen ninety eight. US Olympic women's ice hockey team also in the b-block today new USA Today report about the NFL and how team screen coaches for allegations ends of domestic violence or more precisely how summit failed to do so this of course against the backdrop of the League's insistence that it will hold players accountable in the post ray Rice Erin for more. We're joined by Rachel accent. She is the reporter who wrote this story and reported it for USA Today. Rachel what what is your reporting uncover about the due diligence that's taking part in the league and with individual teams certainly certainly showed that it seems to be lacking we looked into the backgrounds of NFL coaches in the league last year and we found issues with domestic violence easy easy to spot in public records and we don't did not find an excuse me a lot of due diligence on the part of the team's perfect example Schuyler Fulton who you you showed was a receivers coach for the bucks last year. He had an arrest for domestic violence. The charges were later dismissed after he completed a pretrial diversion in but the records in that case indicated multiple women expressing fear of him that he had had threatening behavior in then in two thousand sixteen exte- a few years later he was working Juku and the school there was warned about behavior that was similar to that yet when he was hired by the bucks a a few months later they don't seem to have called the coach that he worked for their and we know at least two of the women named in those records contacted as well it we're talking about. We're not just talking about a couple of examples. You wrote about several examples in your reporting again in this story in USA. Today and you ask the League you you went to Park. Have you so to speak and ask them well. What do you have to say about. These guys getting hired despite this in their backgrounds. What did they say. What was the response well. Of course we asked for Commissioner Roger Goodell he was the one who five years ago in that press conference in the wake of the where he writes case promised League would do more that it had a role to play here. They declined our interview requests for him. Ryan McCarthy a spokesman for the League told us that the vetting of coaches is entirely up to the teams they know so that they should be vetting them but how they do that there's no role for the NFL to play Brian McCarthy said I asked. Is there any sort of guidance or policy. There is not so the League has taken a very hands off approach in this area well beyond saying that it's up to the teams and they should be doing the vetting if they asked us. We'll so help them. Out was any anything else expressed about. Perhaps this isn't the way it should be done. These guys shouldn't be getting jobs in the NFL bill. Well our question was how much did they seek to know this. We don't know the answer because the team's avoided talking to us and then how did they assess it every every expert that we talked to on domestic violence including Rita Smith who is an advisor to the league said it would be best practice for these teams to seek and know as much information as they can and then they can make an assessment. Is this someone we want to be part of it. We're GONNA sation how they dealt with these issues might these issues beyond going so their advice was not to sort of put blinders on and not find it but to find the information and assess what you do with it from there. Rachel you think there is a disconnect connect between the standards for player conduct that are now in place in those for coaches. Absolutely you know the League says it has no role all in vetting of coaches it does at least do criminal background checks for draft prospects who might go to the combine so there is a minimum level that it's doing there. we also see a lot of attention with the personal conduct policy focusing on players but one of the examples that we found included Mark Collins the the Jacksonville. Jaguars coach petition for an order protection against him. The JAGS would've been obligated to report it but they wouldn't say if they did in the NFL didn't save they investigated the jags would not comment like so many others you contacted for this story Rachel accent of USA Today. Thank you for joining us. Thank you Leo Messi Tom. Brady Serena Williams careers that have spanned multiple decades. So when does the youth movement finally take over. 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Dan Wetzel

"Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the right time. My name is Bomani Jones. They solicit on the ESPN app apple podcast, wherever you get you pack as we appreciate it rate. As review us. Give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe that. You are a hater. We are doing our second show of the week. That is when we happy guests. Join us, and we're fortunate to have this week with us from Yahoo sports is absolutely one of the best in the business that this is name is Dan Wetzel. And Dan, you had the joy of attending the NC double a basketball trial in New York City as it was going on in the first question. I ask is has anybody figured out. Why they even did this in the first place. Now, really now really I tell you the probably the most troubling part is what happened was a financial adviser in Pittsburgh got bucked it on securities fraud like a real crime. And part of his plea deal. Get out of it was he was going to give the feds college basketball in and, you know, amateur basketball, and he set up all these dudes and introduce them to the undercover agents to undercover agents working on this case for over a year. Let alone wiretaps secret meetings. I mean, everything and so they end up nail. And all these guys on what I would think is. A fake crime. If a crime at all and the guy actually committed crime, he's cool. So he got almost securities fraud for this, right? Like a sister coach is going to jail it is awful securities fraud. Absolutely. So we could get wiretaps of like thousand thirteen hundred dollar cash drops and stuff like that. And it's got committed a real crime. And you think about how much money was spent in resources, we got FBI undercover FBI agents. Cool. What we nail somebody doing something. Instead of a Dita's paying a kid. You know, ten grand. Okay. I wonder when it got to the tough though, somebody had to be disappointed that this all this was the head to be whoever made the call that. This is what we're going to do. I just feel like when this is all you get you can't be happy. Can you like this can't be what they thought they were getting? This is all just my opinion. I don't know what happened. Okay. But my guess is. 'cause if you look at this they had they were up on wires. They had got these two. To undercover agents had infiltrated the business a little bit. And it gained some trust yet. They pull the plug and arrest ten people that nobody knows other than Chuck Person because he's working as as the Auburn assistant. Now, they could've stayed on for another year. And now, maybe they're sitting there arresting a prominent basketball coach everyone's hurt up right now. Maybe it's Rick Patino and Bill self. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not using them doing any wrong. But we didn't your target be somebody big. Now, we got a story. Okay. Now. Now, we got something. Instead, it's like, look we got this. You know, we got system coach at Oklahoma state. Great. You know, we we got this middle manager at at a Dita's. Boy, we really nailed him. You know? Yeah. So I'm guessing somewhere along the line. It got up and somebody goes way. What are we wasting time onto in that case that that's just my opinion? Because why would you settle for? You know, these guys also don't forget they got to do make suits the suit man was teasing by favorite part of this story clo- air, I like to call the clo- you don't get used the term clothe the air. Very often. We got the suit guy, we got a twenty four year old street hustler is trying to be he was trying to be like, you know, Jerry Maguire, we got you know, four coaches who are just try to make a couple extra bucks. Like, you know, someone's come. Hey, I'll give you twenty grand if you advisor guy to to to sign with me. All right. What the heck right? No. You know, someone's give me twenty grand. I moved light. You know, you're not supposed to get fired from your job. You're not supposed to if it says contractually, but man, everyone is going to have a side hustle. You know, you know, James Gatto who they who got convicted to count they they kind of tried. Make him out to be like this. Adidas mastermind. He's I mean, he's worked at twenty five years of the Dida. He's climbed up to have basically in charge of the money going to which eight Uteem's he was making a hundred and thirty nine grand a year, which is a very nice salary. But by no means is this a job that where he is getting rich. Okay. He's got kids and wife lives in Portland. It's not cheat. Like he has a good job. But he's working gazillion hours four and it took him a quarter century to get it. And they found no skimming of the money. They found it would have been presented, right? I'm assuming you know, he wasn't stealing. He wasn't cheating on expenses. It was just doing the job. Like, this is the mastermind, and he would they would play these like their play like these audio in court, and he'd be like, okay? Here's a call from James Gatto to leaving a message to Rick Patino. Right. And it would be like, hey. Coach pitino. This is James Gatto from Adidas sorry departure, you really sorry. If you could please call me, you know, like this is the mastermind. He's scared to leave a message for these guys. He's nobody. And this is the guy that we're going to put him away like the streets are safe with James Gatto, Dawkins and Merle code on them. Okay. Like America doesn't have to worry that they might convince other multi billion dollar multinational corporation to give some money to poor high school kids, what they wanted about this win these guys realized that like the actual fence involved because everything I've read seem to indicate everybody was concerned about getting caught by the AA, but nobody comported themselves as though they were thinking that they might go to jail Riley. Nobody's talking Colin really look up one day. And they're like, wait. What do you mean? The FBI is at my door. I mean, they did have like burner phones, and they would have code. But it was like the worst code ever like. Like every like, yo I don't want to discuss this payment. So call me on my burner. God. What that was what I'm like. Maybe you guys should maybe do a weekend in prison. Just just for being so blatant. Ain't nobody knew is going to be a crime. I mean, I, you know, I'm sympathetic to them. I've met I always try to meet everybody when I cover court cases, you know, families and try to really, and I don't care how Ariffin the Cusack as you wanna like try to get their side. I mean, you know, Jerry, Sandusky family. I mean, you know, like, you try to be fair a little some cases. But like it's just like this is just free. Dick yetlis. Are we really here in Manhattan at the big federal courthouse? Like, you know. But there we are so yeah, these guys didn't know they they're hiding from the NCAA, and they ended up, you know. Oh my God. They the wa they're literally the FBI is listening to these phone calls. I mean, even the way they would talk on the call. They just be bantering about about crap. And. You know, it was clear they had no idea. Like, what would you say? It was the best description of the scene around the drought 'cause you federal court. They don't allow cameras in there. So we all just get magic. We look at the drawings that they come up with. Well, I mean, there are three defendants. So it's kind of a lot of lawyers. There weren't that many people there, you know, court would be mostly half-full less than half full a third full. It was very little media. You know, you'd have these families. It was very I've covered a lot of trials and most of them are are way more serious. So it wasn't very intense. This wasn't a murder trial. There was no agreed party there weaving in the first row, right? I mean, just didn't feel like if these guys get off or they get or they get convicted like there's nobody who's like, I need Justice. You know? And so that really changed the element of what normal court cases. I mean, even if you're just at like, someone snatched my purse there's going to be someone there being like you stole my purse. You know, I'm mad at you. There's nobody that. I mean, the the the actual clock the actual victims. They would have attorneys. They're like, we think Kansas had an attorney deterrent. He wouldn't tell us where he's from. But like Kansas there, right? I'm pretty sure. So we'll tomb that. They're rooting for nothing to come out. Right. They don't want anything to come out. So instead of being like, yeah, we're gonna nail him. It's like, oh my God. I hope nothing gets said, and you know, these victims. I mean, it's what what the people are like how did this even come about? I mean, what they basically did the feds were basically able to say that if you create if you make a player ineligible college player. Ineligible. Then you have defraud a college because they have signed are playing a kid. They can get them in trouble with the NCAA. And so you are you by paying a player to go to a certain school? You're not helping that school. You are turning that school into a victim. Even if this is under the direction of the basketball coaching staff like in the case of North Carolina State, there is direct testimony. This guy TJ gas Nola drop the money off at an assistant coaches house at NC state who. Then delivered the money to the family of Dennis Mitchell are supposedly delivered it. I they never introduced the actual cash bag or out. But we're we're go with it. Okay. Even then because they said, well, these coaches would be defrauding the schools to they're not a school. So we're like, well who's the school is Bill south Kansas? Or is it some chemistry? Professor is like the board of trustees the student like who is the thing, but they were able to do that. And and and additionally the because these people knew nothing about college basketball, and I mean, nothing like during jury selection, they're they're like anybody here heard of the name Rick Patino, and there's like fifty people in the room like six stand up as it, basically. They all got bounce. It was like a Yukon fan. Like Syracuse other got most people knew nothing, right? But they were able to convince the jury that NCA sanctions were so significant that these school. Were dead. If they got nailed on it. Okay. Like, you idiot. Okay. Fine. You have vacated wins. You could get scholarship. All of this is true. But in reality, it's things aren't that. Big of a deal. Okay. Alabama football program's been hit with sanctions many times through the year. Right. The Kentucky basketball programs many times Carolina's that's Geduld to everybody Kansas has been many times. It's the cost of doing business in the sport. It's like saying you cannot commit a foul basketball game. If you commit a foul, a referee will blow with super loud and point at you in front of all the fans and all the people watching on TV, it'll be humiliating. And then the other team gets to take two three shots. Right. Instead, you go look. Yeah. Alabama gets put on probation and while they're on probation. They built the stadium bigger. And then they get off and get going again. And that's the thing. I think was the number one thing that you that the feds did, and I took my cap to them on this because just as a legal thing they did brilliantly. They made it seem like if you got caught by the NCAA you you're dead. And everyone knows in college sports get caught by the NCAA the coroner you'll be back. Especially in basketball because like reload in football takes awhile. You gotta get the right? Do know this basketball, you could reload this with one class three do your Syracuse has been busted like chimpanzees nailed like multiple times this program, they never stopped going to never bad right with forty years. Same coach like, okay. You caught if that? Two more recruits all the best schools they and they wouldn't allow the judge wouldn't allow the defense to really counter that with all the mayhem. And and that that's what I think really like they couldn't even really bring up into evidence much how Louisville was on probation as this was going on like they had already had a title strip. And they already were nailed for the, you know, the escort escorts in the in the in the dorm, they weren't able to bring that into evidence. And that's what really got them because if you sit there and go all right Louisville. Just lost the national title was on on probation had been nail for this unbelievable scandal this way, the heck bigger than this. And yet Rick Pitino was still employed, and the staff was still employed, and they and Brian bow and junior tugs bow and still want to go there. Like there really was no damage to that scandal. Then I took a banner. Down. And that's really why they want it. So people wonder what what was the crime and how they win that was it. They basically got a bunch of people who knew nothing about college basketball, college sports, and they're they're looking at it. I think going why do you have a burner phone? Why are you sending these cryptic texts? And why are you hiding and that looks like fraud, but the fraud was to hide from the NCAA not to hide from offense. And I think that's where that's all they want. But they want it. I'll tell you that. I will be with more with Dan, Westlund, just a minute. But first guys, you know, sixty six percent of men lose their hair by as thirty five. Like me. A big problem thing is we start to notice here loss too late. It's easy to keep the hair you had to replace the hair you've lost how you feel year from now his business as usual up there. Why guys sit back and watch their hairlines move back back back when they could turn the medicine science solution perhaps dot com. One stop shop for hair loss, skin care and sexual wellness for men. 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I have fast Nate by the idea that there really wasn't much media there because as interesting stuff in be I think maybe even seven years ago, I feel like this would have felt like a lot more scandal than it has. Well, I think that media's broke like that newspapers and stuff don't have the money to go cover three week trial in Los Angeles. And I think twenty fifteen ten years ago, even you know, the Kansas City star would have been there Kansas is on trial. Right. There's nobody from Kansas there. And I think that was a big part of it. And I think you know. Yeah. I think people become immune to this stuff. Right. I mean, one of the things is a while ago. But when Charles Robinson, I really do in a lot of college investigations one of our goal was just to be like, we're tired of the argument that it only goes on here. Let's just let's just investigate everyone, and we just started rattling off scandal scandal scandal, and then you have the other general scandal. But then you're like, okay. It's a high state, it's organs Miami. It's all these different places. And I think at some point the balance tips, not taking credit, but that was part of it. I think it was just a huge wave of scandals, and it got any capped with Navid Shapiro. And it was sorta like all right? Everyone's doing it. What are we gonna do about it? And the say was rattled. But I think fans stopped becoming like well who cares? Right. And the bigger scandals are, you know, Jerry, Sandusky, and Larry Nassar like those are scandal. Now, just 'cause some point guard got a thousand. Dad got a thousand bucks to play somewhere who cares anymore? And I think there's just a tipping point. Maybe it was generational or demographics or whatever it is. But I don't know that anyone really cares about this stuff that much anymore. Even though it's it's it's fascinating stuff. And it's kind of juicy there, isn't that? Like Borel outrage that you would have had in the past. And it kinda makes you wonder whether I mean, obviously agreed but continues with the charade that they insist upon because I felt that I do think that people kinda like the idea of amateur sports, right? Like is ridiculous. As it may seem I do think for a lot of people are kind of adds to the charm of it. But Bill self we're talking like a top five coaching name in the country. He's on the text message, basically talking about paying somebody and he's just coached on national television a couple of days ago. And it's like it never happened. Yeah. People people there are segment that likes the idea of the amateur. It's there's no question, even though it's, you know, absurd or just the idea that somehow a level playing field that one always gets me. You know? Well, if we lower the kids to play what would stop Idaho state from like, you know, good luck. You know, let Idaho state try who cares? Yeah. Bill south in this. I mean, I think like self about this and just the way we do things. Now, like, it's all denied tonight that I and then and then play to your base. Like, no matter what you are what you're doing. And so with Kansas. It's like oh Bill sells the victim. You want an accused anything and that that was their party line and the fans bought it or they're going with it. And it's like, what do you mean? He wasn't accused of anything. He's absolutely accused of something. Like, he's on these text messages, like I'll give you a specific example, those it didn't fall with that closely. Like, there's this kid Sousa making a decision on where to go, and it's down the last couple of days and Sylvia the Sousa hails from and goal. And he has a guardian in the United States who's running the recruitment. And Bill self and Kurtis Townsend. Their assistant are on the text to this guy. TJ gas Nola who was the Dita's bag man, quote, unquote, and he would fly around the country and deliver like literally thirty grand cash forty grand cash. The people quite a job. I don't know how you put that on your tax form. But that was his job and they're texting with him. And they're like, hey, we're close with Silvio. You know, let us know how it goes to be talked to the guardian tonight. And, you know, tech spill south like, hey, I talked to him a hot to go bills. Right back light work. No problem. You know, all this stuff. Like, he's right in the middle of this thing. And it's like, well any would he would profess and other text messages, he would talk with them, you know, about their recruits, and he'd say I'm here to help. We're gonna help you deed is going to help you. And like did these people think he was helping by like pointing out the size of the library or something. Like, what do you think? This guy's doing. I mean, of course, he's this is what he does. Everybody knows it. And you know, he's in there. And yeah, Kansas like, we don't care. We suspend the player player gets it. He might be guilty. The player can't play. The coach might be guilty for the coach get to keep coaching fire up the pet fan. Let's go, you know, we're good. And so the dichotomy of college athletics, it's kind of the fun part too. Because all the other fans could be outraged. And yeah, and then the Kansas fans like not us, and you know, every I always say every college sports fan. Thanks. Everybody is cheating except off especially our rival right there. Really cheating. Our guys. No way, my coaches, so moral high. Yeah. I mean, give me a break with stuff, and it was interesting to Bill selves in those text messages, it this is how it's done just like UNC and Duke even talking to these guys needed to talk through. Hey, you know, it's not just us. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even though they're like, well, this is what pays when Nike does for Carolina. And then the the bad gas, Nola and Kentucky, you know. And. Yeah, this is how this is how it's done. Okay. Like, this is the thing about it. It was actually a guy a. A former smaller college coach came up to the trial for a couple of days. I'm bad at least from North Carolina real nice guy. And he he had been reading about. He just was like, I gotta go see this. I wanna hear like how does this really work 'cause he's always wanted to coach D one. But like I could never get in on it. And you know, he's just it was it was confusing and all that any just like, this is this is outrageous man, like this is crazy 'cause it was just laid out. And so if you're a fan of college sports, like this, this is it they can tell you that, you know, these kids why did you pick I woke up, and I just was dreaming blue. You know, I I really liked the foliage they had on campus and all this stuff, and they do like that stuff. But this that's not how it works. Like, there just aren't very many deals going like whether these kids are already been paid or getting paid or something's moving them in that direction. And the great recruiter is the one who's connected, it's not. He's just so charming. It just doesn't work that way. They tell you it does. But it just doesn't you can believe it if you want, but you're believing ally. Well, I mean, did is aren't that many people who are in a position to turn down money? Right. Like there are some people that can just be like not as okay, we'll wait the year before the moaning money comes. But if if there is money to be given to somebody there's somebody that's gonna take like, I don't know why they can't get that part. Look at these four system coaches that have been busted they all had two hundred thousand dollars a year. Plus jobs say how about twenty more take it. Look at the coach, you know, everybody takes money. Exactly, you get a little extra money. But especially if you're struggling a little bit or you want to travel and see your mount of of the money that was discussed about I need money. So I can watch my kid play there and travel to the games was was was interesting to me. And now as a parent I never thought of that when I was younger. But now as a parent could see that. All right. I send my kid. But what are we going to in Kansas? I can't get to the games too. I moved. I need a little help move in there. I wanna be around my son. I you know, because. These kids at this level have a chance. To make it to the NBA and and and make millions. They got the lottery ticket, but it didn't quite there. And and only a million bad things can happen. And only one good thing can happen. And so if you're the parent, I can see why you'd like I wanna be right there. Just in case anything goes down. I don't want them in the dorm. If I, you know more times over my apartment like because you know, anything just anything can happen campus. Police come in. You're in a room. There's some some weed in a dorm room. Oh my God. Boom, you're on sports in. And who knows what you know. There's so many things that can go wrong. And so these and they and they just want to be around and they love their kid, and it's kind of heartbreaking when you think about it. That was one of Brian bow and senior who I'm not gonna say a sympathetic guy. But you know, one of his things was just wanted to be wherever it kid was going to go. He wanted to be right there. Now could've set a Michigan state. Would've been fine. But you know, you can see why at the end of the day. They're like, hey, Donovan Mitchell, just turn pro by son plays the same position. I can go play for Donovan Mitchell. Coach take Donovan Mitchell spot, you know, AC like why would you go play for Louisa Rick Pitino? This is a great coach. And but I need some money 'cause I won't move down there. And that's what gets posted. So some of it isn't like I need the money 'cause I wanna drive around Bentley. It's like I need to par that you're also headed your kid over to somebody that you've already deemed to be on, trustworthy, and a lot of cases and the sharks this round programs. Just because there's so many of these kids like this, and all you gotta do be the right person had the right game. And then boom, you got somebody especially when it's a non family member involved in this. You're not just going to go hand over this asset and just say, all right? Well, you guys talked to them as cool. I've got this under control. That's not gonna happen. Yeah. I think a lot of the NCAA rules in basketball are based on like the nineteen seventies. Right. So you didn't know if your kid was good enough. See send them to coach. You hope you hope he goes play for this coach and in three or four years he continues to develop four years, right? You had to go four year any and maybe starts a sophomore or junior. And you gotta go, and you don't really know about all these programs in the country seems bigger you haven't done this. A you all over and nobody knows who your kid is except in your hometown. Or maybe your state if you wanna stay title or or people who read the Bob Gibbons newsletter right now, totally different. You got one year, and you're going to leak you got people telling you you're in the league you've net. NBA people. You take the cases I and Williamson nobody knows who he is kids got one point seven million Instagram followers before he ever. Set foot on Duke at Duke. He's got more. But if you have one point seven million Instagram followers, most of whom are other teenagers. Okay. I've talked to marketing guy during this trial. You could sell an ad for forty fifty thousand dollars. He could come. He could stand there. Hold on a muscle Melker, just drinking it get forty fifty thousand dollars. 'cause that's how much influence he has over younger people and. What what is changed is the high school star in nineteen seventy six or something like that? He's going off the plate for Bob Knight. Yeah. He was an amateur. Johnny Williams, a profession. He just have to pretend these amateur for for like, seven months. He is. Well, no, he has a brand he he can get paid to play basketball. He could do whatever all sorts of stuff. So the the the processes started earlier, Brian Bowen, junior tugs Bowen, okay? About the number thirty recruiting the country number twenty five or the country, real good. But he isn't scien- Williamson any isn't the Andre the knees and going to be number one pick. He got paid by Dida twenty five thousand dollars. Dad got paid twenty five thousand dollars to play for Adidas a team in the summer between his sophomore and junior year. You got pay twenty five grand for one summer that is the high school job of all high. School jobs gets that kind of money. Now you and I or anybody else can be like that is absolutely nuts. Why would you pay a Dita's pick? What you're worth whatever someone's willing to pay. Adidas all the value and having played for their team. He's a professional basketball player at that point low paid on the scale kinda, but somebody saw value in his basketball and is willing to pay him twenty five thousand dollars to play for some. She's only a sophomore. Now. What is the number one player were you know, if we know he's worth twenty five ran what could what could have Zion or Dion had they so chosen. So the ideas the NCAA rules is like, well, you're an amateur amateur. Now, you turn pro it's like, no man, I turned pro three or four years ago. I just have to now pretend I'm an amateur for a little while. Then I go pro again. And that's where I think you have such a clash is NCA is not trying to delay. They used to always want to delay capitalism. Now, they're trying to stop it, and it becomes even more absurd than saying 'cause they used to say, basically paler swear needs to not cut an album when she's fifteen needs to wait go to like in the choir at the university of Tennessee for a year, then she can cut an album, and and now it's more like, okay, Taylor swift, Scott like sold. Ten gazillion albums under a surname or. And that she's got to come here for a year, then she can become a, you know, none of it makes any sense in our country. And that's why you've got so much so much issue. Well, the idea thing who twenty five thousand dollars to play for in a Uteem. I think the mechanics of that still kinda like four, and they really just betting on the idea that maybe just maybe Brian Bowen turns into a superstar from being the number twenty five player in his class because it's just wild to me to think that that's actually worth twenty five thousand dollars part of it is the the long term bit that we can get the guy. Everyone's chasing the next. Lebron the way when LeBron was there they were chasing the lot. Now that Michael Jordan, the next Michael Jordan, LeBron's high had a shoot shoot. He'll with Adidas now to do the numbers. Fifteen grand a year Saint Vincent Saint Mary's. Don't even care is the greatest you deal of all time because who paid nothing that we got LeBron for two years, he's on ESPN everybody. But what you've got now is not. Will brought it. So there's two things you want the Boeing you want number thirty player. He might turn into a big time. Pro is the odds are decent. Not not not perfect. But they're they're there. We can then send him to an Adidas school. We Adidas has paid a hundred and ninety or hundred sixty million dollars to Louisville to have their basketball football team. They wanna protect that investment. You can't just sit there and go I hope but Tina turns out he makes fun of four you wanna stock the punt. So that's number two. We're we're going to have is a feeder, this is just seed money. They're throwing twenty twenty five grand for nothing. Three. He's gonna play for the Michigan Mustang Ayew team play at the three play. It all our events are events or better. We can also track more, right? It's a sort of build on it self. But these days. Young kids are watching the UT like that's the cool. If if you've got the coolest team in Michigan and the best players there are a lot of fifteen year old kids who play basketball in Michigan going, man, Michigan Mustang Dida, that's who are want. They're watching on YouTube. They're watching on Instagram Snapchat. I it's changed the technologies change the whole thing. You don't have to have a you tournament on on national television like science like I said about Zion. Williamson his target group. His his followers are unbelievable. There isn't a company in America that wouldn't want one point seven million teenagers who follow religiously somebody. You've gotta pay a lot of money for that. And so he who who's following every kid every ice school basketball player in the country following because what you're seeing. Now, what you're going to see on ESPN all winter is what they saw. And they're just watching it. They don't care then it's against. Kentucky. If it's all my God. Did you see that dunk? Who cares some South Carolina high school game? So there's three levels of value and there, and it's all their whatever it is at the deed is decision. You know like there. This is how they see fit to run the business. They're better off. In a lot of ways paying him. Then just your second tier NBA star. 'cause it's really only a few NBA stars who sell shoes lebrons staff. Kyri Jordan, still, you know. But if you just. Jimmy Butler or something is not of people going. I gotta by Jimmy whatever Jimmy Butler swear. And that's a great player. So it's it's it's almost better with this grassroots stuff buying up all the school play. All of this. I guess is been at one love is like a fascinating shift in just the subtle way. That how these things are done. How shoes are sold and everything has changed. But the other part has been I still remain amazed that anybody can deny the idea like we are still having to fight with people about the mere idea that there is value that these players generate that is separate from the school that they attend it's absurd. And that that that argument now because of the technology, I believe because the social media has really changed before it was a little bit more abstract. But now you can sit there and say look Zion. Williamson doesn't have to play at Duke. And you're seeing guys take a year off, right? The play Duke he'd be he's to be a lottery pick next year. If he just sat and worked with a personal trainer, and he could've made more money selling commercials, or whatever. Now, he sees value. This is. This is you know, it goes back to the schools the schools do provide value what I'm going to become a massive stock this winter because everyone's going to be watching. This is the most exciting and interesting player I've seen play college basketball. Probably I thought Anthony Davis pretty fun. But maybe Steph when he really got it going where you're like, I got to see this. You know, they try to make it sometimes they'll try to hype guy up, but like he's doing things you're not gonna see he he he's six point nine two hundred eighty five pounds. He'd be the second heaviest player in the NBA right now. And he's got a forty something intervertebral. It's crazy. So he sees value. And I go to Duke Drake myself in this. I'm gonna I'm gonna Leech off your brand I'm gonna build myself even bigger so there is a value there. But the idea that the value is all one way is ridiculous. And at the same time if you try you and do because this kid all the people that hate Duke, and there's a lot of them. It's gonna be hard to. Hate him hard to hate them. This winter. Like, oh and eight. No. But I bet you're watching like there's value all over the place, but it is a entity equal relationship at this point. And that was always hard to do. But when you could throw that number out there and go, hey, this guy's more popular on social media. Which is where your teenage kid is watching your kids don't sit down and watch a basketball game anymore like a full game. I kids my daughter loves the NBA. She'll be like. Yeah. Man. Russell westbrook. I fifty last night year that dad, how'd you hear that on Snapchat, the NBA Snapchat? That's gets her MBA gonna sit down and watch three hours of basketball game. But that's just how it is. So she no, you know, all these people know these guys, and that's that's it. If you anybody thinks, there's no value in basketball. Just I mean, I don't know what you're talking. Yeah. I don't know who you're talking to you know, I'm not one of those people relationships you wouldn't have done this twenty years ago. Yes. He would have he would have gotten him and then been shocked when he left after one year he thought we were this long haul says he's always been about getting. These dues. But the people that have hated Duke for a lot of the reasons they've hated do Zion is going to create like a real conundrum for them because he also this is not Danny ferry. Right. Like, this is this is a Christian later this Lance Thomas. Flap the floor is it now. Here's the thing. If he does what make flip go out to slap the floor. That'll make that that'll make legitimately hard. Even if he does a somersault he wears a wo- Joe throwback or something. Eight to call you want. You're not gonna hate him. Now, you have a hard one one year reprieve, everyone can get there. Hey, hey, eight Duke get out of jail free card for one year, and he'd go back to eight them next year. But it's hard this kid now, they feel like they had a ten year process. Really were they did like not that they wouldn't slap the floor here and there, but they did look around. And they were like, hey, man. This is not really good for business. Like the way the people are talking about us. They may Joe Collins move out of the basement go move out on a all get their own gigs and replace them with James and Jeff capable and everything else in now Zyad Williamson don'ts for Duke, which we never would have expected ten years ago. Now, he's a he's the he's the Carolina player. He's Georgia Tech player or something like that UNLV. I mean, this is a bigger Larry Johnson. You know? I mean, this is this is this is I was UNLV fan growing up because they were the most exciting team, you know, and this this kid is going to be super exciting. So I mean case of smart guy. I mean. Great coach. Yeah. I mean, and yeah, you you need players and there used to be this kind of old school sentiment that I need years to build them and freshman or too young. And these guys now are playing a hundred games a year in a U basketball. And if you combine them, you're playing over one hundred games, and you can crack on AM, you all you want. But it's not that bad. Like, okay. This is the most intense thing though. But who care they played one hundred games a year there in the fifth grade they travel all over they're ready to go. You see it in in football with the seven on seven turned all these quarterbacks into game ready got many good young quarterbacks. They're on the NFL now 'cause they were playing seven on several ball when ten years old. They thrown used to play, you know, ten games for your high school that was it that you lift weights the rest of the year. Now, these guys are playing all the time. So you see see it all and and kids are ready to go. So coach K whose whose whose roots go. Back to playing for Bob Knight at West Point. Like, it's conservatives you can be realizes that. I don't care. I mean, these three kids came out the other night, and they were bang. Let's go, and and you you could win title. Canepari thought and embraced it part because he'd never choice he's at Memphis. And this was his angle, but he saw embrace it and realize the kids show up. We're ready. I don't eat Derrick rose for three years to teach them how to play basketball. He's ready day one. But now everybody sees it. And that's why you see, you know, an out dukes in the game, and you go, hey, you can go to Duke, and I'm gonna I'm not gonna try to squash. You I know you're only here for six months now, that's a really powerful recruiting catch. Plus, you got Nike behind you. You know, to whatever level, you know, take your guests. But it all works also wanted to coach team USA and looked around at that room full of guys that he would not have recruited and looked at himself. What am I doing right? There's a whole bunch of dudes that wouldn't that? He probably would not have spent the time recruiting to come to do because they wouldn't have stayed at the time period that he wanted as his program. I wouldn't say it was struggling because that would be unfair. But it was a downtime. In two thousand eight for do you looked around it? Then it was like the dumbest thing I've ever done. Let's get good guys. Yeah. Right. Like, you know, the Brandon gonna college. Hey, pretty good any help with. Yeah. These guys aren't so bad nothing. Nothing bad about incredible. You know? And so yeah it. And I think he was playing teams and losing. I mean at some point. You know, you gotta have you. It's basketball. It's not you can out scheme people in other sports. But there's five guys in the court. And you watch the NBA best player at the end of the night wins the game for the most part. That's how every game gets played. So you sit there and go all right there in it. But you know, guess he's get Steph gonna Steph Katie is gonna shot no one can defend and they and going Safeco win. And so if you have those guys you don't and yet these kids are, you know, they're not bad people because they want to go to the NBA. It's not a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with it and their families want him to go the NBA that Calipari was the was the smartest at that. And certainly goes back. You know, I mean tar and some of these other guys really always sought and saw like this guy doesn't want to go to college. Like, their dream is the NBA, and I'm not gonna necessarily gonna try to you know. Hey, take some classes and stuff. I'm going gonna sit here. Just talk about all this stuff. Like, I will get you to the NBA, and I will get you there. And that's it. I will not stand in your way. I'll do everything I can to get you there and everyone else is coming in still selling this whole kind. Well, we'll get you this dude, I want out at fast, I possibly can and embracing that and being honest about it. And I think the fans are now on it's about like, they're fine with it Kentucky. I mean, if you're Kentucky basketball fan, I always laugh like you just get a new team every year like this whole era, and they love it because the good it's like next guy. And then there was like man, I love that player. Like, he was there like five months, but you know, they. Felt that love. Anyway, even though they know Anthony Davis isn't sticking around. Like, what do you do it? Also, the math on this change in the money change like in the nineteen seventies early eighties. You probably need to go ahead and get that degree, right? Because the money you're gonna make NBA is not really them of. We're talking about a whole nother world now. Yeah. I think it was during the the bad boys thirty thirty. If you ever saw his great thirty for thirty. Rick Mahorn Mahorn Bill Laimbeer Bill beer grew up in. California's dad was like a financial planner and he's like my rookie year. My dad made more than me. Like until abroad, James junior. Brawny makes the league that ain't happening. Right. This is not. There's no way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You made good money. But you need that degree. Now, you make so much money, and you go back and get the degree. You know? It's not it's colleges is whatever. So. Yeah. I think everything's changed except the rule book. Also find that these guys even the ones that don't think college very long, especially basketball players. They tend to turn out like remarkably cultured part of it. I guess is because they they're on the circuit. And they take all these trips all this time, but they are remarkably exposed given all the count if people make about why they need to be college. Oh, absolutely. And let me say this to like, I I don't have a data. I've tried to find somebody who has date on this. And I haven't been able to. Maybe they're out there. So maybe they're listening contact me. But you look at the NBA. Okay. You sports has changed dramatically. And and in every sport parrot spent a lot of money on their kids. If you're really good player developing that player. So in basketball, you know, it's nineteen seventy five or nineteen eighty five. The best point guards came out of New York City, right Coney Island. You went down to the court kid had to play all day. He got tons of reps. You know, if you lose you get knocked off the court where a suburban kid or most rural kids better shooters, Larry Bird, Ray, Allen, those kind of guys 'cause they're just all alone shooting, and you had these like, you know, you'd add these kind of geographic if you. Well, let alone cultural kind of stereotypes now everyone's playing a million games. But the wealthier parents can spend money on the train personal trainer dribbling coach shooting. Coach all these different things. And now you look at the NBA. There is a lot of guys in the league whose dads played the NBA or came from the suburbs or had two parent households. It's not that old kind of stereo type of like going to get this kid out of out of the out of the projects and get them to my college. Like, no, it's like Klay Thompson Steph curry, you know, like that they were never in the project, you know, or or a lot a lot of these guys. I don't know that it's true. It's just feels that way. But there's a lot more trae young like, you know, dad's a successful guy, like even even Tokes Bowen like the guy in the middle of the biggest scandal here. Probably and seniors was a cop in Saginaw. You know, and and disability, but he you know, it's not like the biggest like from nowhere. You know worse we're spot, and I just think that because you could spend so much money on training players. You have the guys that are going to become elite. You might have more people that. Yeah, you know, what we we are cultured because my family took a trip to Europe when I was twelve 'cause we had them on, you know, it's just a different thing. I don't know if that's true. But I kinda just kinda noticed how many guys are in this league that that that that come from different spots than they used to and even the ones from the other places man this starting so young buddy would nine year old he'd been Vegas more times than I have. And as playing basketball, even like LeBron who was somewhat of a by these standards a little bit of a late find like he'd no one really knew he wasn't. So he's like eleven and I'm Joe, I'm joking not joking and he just played on a local Akron team. Like, boom, they're all they're they're going all over the country. And so, yeah, you're all over the country. You're meeting different people, you're exposed to more. It's not the same as that. That. That old stereotype where the kids just playing ball and the court in the middle Coney Island, and then he goes to Lincoln high, and they they know the big trip is to go to Albany for the title game. And you know, then coach Knight comes in and get some or whatever coach, you know, won't show your campus five trips you can go see Cal. I've been to California, man. It's just a different ballgame. So there's so much support. And there's so much money in these guys that they're gonna come in and find you, and they're gonna pluck you out, and you're going to have that experience and on a positive side. That's great for even the kids that don't make it. You know, what a great thing. Nothing bad about that is flying all over the country. Great. I always like what's the problem? This is my thing with this. Oh, my God at Dita's paid hugs Bowen's family twenty five grand in a summer basketball. This is a federal crime. Why what was the downside? If Koogle had come in and found the number one colder in Michigan Saginaw high. Instead after your software you once you move out to San Francisco for the summer and have an internship. We'll pay twenty five thousand dollars because we wanna see what you can do and you would help us. And maybe we. Defy you as a future employees of Google everyone in the city. Would celebrate why it's unbelievable for to be exact same thing that happened with tugs bowling. But we're in a federal court house. Like, what's what what's the problem is kid worked hard? He doesn't even know. He's get paid his dad's taking the money isn't even know he worked hard built himself up the families built them up. Everything's gone in on it. Why is this a problem? All because the NCAA says, no we want all this money. We want these kids not paid because then we don't pay tax. We can sell this. You know, it's amateurism thing to America, and it's ridiculous. I mean, you've got a federal trial based on a big company trying to help a family zagging, all because their son is so talented. It's just ridiculous. All right. And that is demand. Dan, Wetzel of Yahoo. Sports sportsmen. Thanks so much for joining. This is a lot of fun. Appreciate a man you need me novella banned all of your success. I knew you a new year when now you like megastar, you know, talking Carolina hoops, I appreciate it bay. But hey, you got to write a book Jerry talk eighty just makes some movie out that I do think you still the winter. All right, right. All right. Very good. Thanks, I laser jet much for joining us. You're on the right time. We do this day here. Twice a week. Mamane gay best say and handles everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Dan, Wetzel. Yahoo sports for joining us. We need your help. We have got a survey for the show. 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03/05: Captivating races -- and our predictions -- for the regular-season wrap-ups in the Big East, SEC, Big Ten, ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12

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03/05: Captivating races -- and our predictions -- for the regular-season wrap-ups in the Big East, SEC, Big Ten, ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12

"Scares Thursday night March? Two Thousand Twenty. Welcome back to the. Cbs Sports Eye on college basketball. Podcast where we sometimes discuss Cama fighting and leaky Black Matt norlander is here with me and I think if you don't mind I think I want to start with the big east because fascinating situation in the big east heading into the final weekend of the regular season but first let's back up on Wednesday night. Seton Hall had an opportunity to secure. Its first outright biggies title since one thousand nine hundred ninety three all the pirates had to do be Villanova home. They were three and a half point favorites the odds in their favor but then villanova thirteen three pointers in upset. Seton Hall Final Score wildcats seventy nine pirates seventy seven inside the her pope center when you combine that result with Crayton's win over Georgetown. The biggie standings now look like this Seton Hall Thirteen and four Creighton twelve and five Villanova twelve and five. And if you look ahead of this weekend. Seton Hall is at Creighton on Saturday. Villanova is at Georgetown so if the favorites in both games in other words if Creighton beat Seton on Villanova beat Georgetown Seton Hall Creighton. Villanova will all finish thirteen and five in the big east and we'll have co champions times three norlander it's prediction time. Who Wins the Big East? It's multiple choice situation. Is it a Seton Hall outright be Seton Hall and Creighton Co Champs or see Seton Hall Creighton and Villanova? Three way tie at the time. The answer is C and what you may not realize because you didn't detailed there in your intro laid all out. How about this if Novo wins against Georgetown going to happen and then if Creighton can win at home against Seton Hall? That would mean unbelievably while they all have the same record in terms of seating and tiebreakers when the Big East Tournament Starts Creighton would be the one. Villanova would be the two and Seton Hall which has been in the driver spot for two plus months in this conference it was the preseason picked to be the best team in the League would actually be the three seed once we got to Madison Square Garden. I'll be there next week for the Big East Tournament. That would be a an unexpected turn of events in the broad picture but I think heading into the weekend. I do think that's where we're GONNA end up all three of those same same record youth me. No Okay I've got Seton Hall winning at Creighton and being the outright biggies champs for the first time since nineteen ninety-three back when they were led by a young man named Terry Hair. No I'm pretty sure that's a character and children's book. I read in my kids Terry. Terry's a real person Terry to hair. He's scored twenty two points per game. Oh my goodness who was the second best player on that Seton Hall Team? I don't know that that's all I need to know. Okay but I do know who the little sophomore more point guard was that averaged six points and three assists per game. Okay go ahead trivia time you go ahead. I know I got no idea here okay. I wasn't locked into Trenton hoops back in ninety three Dan. Her a shame on me. Shame on me Dan Hurley and his Yukon. Huskies getting the win over Houston on Thursday night. Making the Cougar sweat. A little bit heading into postseason play in Yukon might be the spoiler of the American Athletic Conference. Full disclosure here just so our listeners realizes we are recording this on Thursday night. So you've got this podcast. Well in advance of its typical Friday placement. We hope you enjoy that but for the benefit our of our schedules and hopefully yours. That's why you're getting this and we are doing this before Memphis. Wichita state will conclude so while I mentioned the American. They're nice job. A nice win out of Yukon on senior night and Pretty BIG WICHITA STATE MEMPHIS game. But we won't know the ending of that before the pods done But GP's Tigers my shocker. Certainly going at it and loser might be a default elimination game the Big East real quick. So I'm going to be there next week. I'm super excited. I was actually. It's funny you mentioned this because we were talking before the pod. We wanted to start with what we want to chat on. And you'd mentioned the big east and I was all about it because coincidentally just earlier in day. I'd have to call Mr Jay Bilas for something and he. I said are you going to be at the ACC tournament and he said. Yeah where you're going to be. I said I'll be. I'M GONNA bounce back and forth between ten but mostly Biggie said. Oh yeah that's going to be the best tournament that will the best of all of them and it's probably GONNA be between Big East or big ten but the biggest has gotten to a point here where it should send seven. You'd have to have a providence. Have the floor fall underneath it or Xavier otherwise the other schools are going there and I do expect it to be a tremendous tremendous big east tournament. Georgetown Saint John's and depaul all fifteen and fifteen at this point but the other seven are tracking to make the NC Double A.'s. And when you can get seventy or league into the BIG DANCE. That's a huge year credits. The Big East for For being pretty good all around and having three viable final four contenders so creighton. I should point out as I'm predicting them the lose on senior day youngest weekend is fifteen in one at home. This season the loan loss to Villanova terrific in that building and Kim Palm does project them as as a favourite but it just seems like I don't know it just seems like Seton Hall is exactly the type of team that would lose. Its Senior Day opportunity of securing the outright title and then go actually get it done on the road they won and tough road environments This season I won't be shocked. They do it again. But obviously I'm playing. I'm playing the underdog. Yeah no that's listen. It's certainly it's certainly possible. They're all those three teams Nova You know the last two the first three right now. We WanNa see at Seton Hall on the Three Line Creighton on the three line. They'RE GONNA be. It'll be interesting. You gotta figure that so right now the east if it was projected out. You'd have no if they made the sweet sixteen if they held the seeds. You'd have Seton Hall. Let's just call not to Seton Hall the three Let's say San Diego State. Which was San Diego State? Able to keep its undefeated season alive after scare urine studio. I wasn't studio. They were down at the half but they started guarding on the perimeter and Pulled away from air force still single digit decision but they were never in serious trouble in the final few minutes and they remain the best one loss undefeated team in America. You're hedging right there. I'm going all in on these tweets still got people coming African. Whatever I was. Oh I almost tweeted at you. If you didn't see Jay Jay Airedale earlier today I had. I had seen sports network on all afternoon. But I'm chasing kids so I missed what she might associate. So I I guess it was after the San Diego State win we were going through San Diego States resume like are they definitely a one. C No matter what happens in in Las Vegas and by the way they're not they could take a loss in in slip off the one line but as she's introducing the topic and then getting ready to send it to me. She goes now. San Diego State does have that one loss. I know you don't like to admit it but it did happen. Chuckled so Jamie was in on it as a definite big Shasta Jamie Berdahl. She's fantastic and that's good stuff. What I almost tweeted at you because I think it was. It was at halftime of the game. And you had palm talking about San Diego States resume and all this stuff and almost just tweeted to be like. Why is Jerry talking about San Diego State? Having lost just to tweet it out. You just to have some fun there. Because the smart asses who don't know The idiotic joke that I continued to perpetuate that you originated full credit to GP That's fun stuff anyway What was making so. Let's say they hold onto that once they would go to. The Garden Nova will go to the garden. Seton hall go to garden again. If they want to in the fourth would probably be Maryland can do what it needs to do here. But you might have Maryland or Duke. Battling we'll see what happens with that So that would be compelling for the Big East and that there's the potential. I don't know how likely it is. But you could easily have seton hall and Villanova who played a wonderful game on Wednesday night meeting again there. One on the season they could get a third match up in the Big East Tournament and then potentially a fourth one in the regional finals so that would be a plenty intriguing there. And the they've got a good shot with with all three of those teams breakthrough. And then you know providence has been insane. I mean I can't remember if I mentioned these on the previous podcast or not. Gp But providence one five games against ranked teams in the month of February. That's only happened five times in the history of men's De Sports in the regular season. Medea when sports do you want basketball. We've had a team in the span of the month. Get FIVE WINS OVER FIVE. Ranked teams kind of an insane and providence's has come back from we talked about UCLA. But this is why. I I go I go cooley over Cronin. I don't know if we need to go down that road again. Okay Okay just rank them okay. You ready yeah rank them Ed Cooley. Mick Cronin John. Wooden tight spot. I'm going to go see this is. This is why the people of this podcast we. We are addressing the tough topics that need to be addressed. I gotTA GO. I gotta go cooley. Cronin wooden and I don't see how there's any argument otherwise at this point I'd go cried. Go listen I differ with your little. I go Cronin Cooley. But but either way we know who we can argue over. Who's I we both know who's third all right now one more game before we move on? Yeah Mary kill or F- hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on. I honestly I thought you said that I thought okay. We hit the top teams. I thought you were go-. I thought you were going Butler at Xavier. One more game. I thought we were like Ireland. Gerrad Xavier's at large propositions here. But you took a hard left okay. Go ahead Mary Kissel. F- Mick Cronin. Ed Cooley and John. Would I need you to answer first before I go? Okay listen to me. This seems easy killing John. Wooden because he's already dead. Nobody you know. We're all used to. John would not be in here by now so we don't. It's not a real loss. Not only have you sanded his name off the court. You've committed murder against John. Wooden on this podcast nails named can stay. Yeah she's not the one who lost eight times in nineteen sixty six missed the incident play. Turn it that's what John did. That's what John Did you can look it up. Neal didn't do that. Nails name can stay. Mickan court so I am establish this you've killed John. Wooden continuous GLUCO. Okay there's so now I'm done to marry your F- okay Marionette. Cooley how can you not okay and then I guess it making are about the same You look exactly the same we never talk about on the podcast. You are actually the coach of Ucla. This is if you really WANNA peel back. The ID- okay. This is where this stems from when Para says Cronin over would and it's because from. I'm not exaggerating this. From behind. If you were to put Mick Cronin and Gary Pairs in the exact same clothes. You would think they were identical twins. That's where this stems from. You think you're better than John. Wooden and you want to have love with yourself. That's it okay so there it is Mary Kill F-. We've got it figured out we're killing John Wooden Marionette. Cooley F- Mick Cronin. I'm in agreement with you. If you WanNa Talk Butler Xavier we can or we can just move on. That's I think we probably need to move on but The stakes are pretty clear. Cut for Seton Hall on Saturday. You Win at Creighton. Your Outright League champs you lose it Creighton then you will share the title with at least Creighton and maybe also Villanova. Kansas released. Its response to its notice of allegations from the NCAA earlier on Thursday. We're GONNA get into that next but I tell you about seatgeek. Do you ever feel like ticketing websites? Getting to the event difficult on purpose. Sure seems that way. 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Who would read that Jesse Newell? Of course Dan Walkin I think is is is about seventy four pages. Deep into this. Or this podcast. Bless your heart. Dan CREDITS TO DENNIS DODD. By the way he did Break this little piece of news a couple of days in advance when Jeff. Lang told him that this would indeed become out wide by the way people might be wondering like. Why is this happening now? Just so happened. Thursday march fifth was the deadline day to formally submit the response that Kansas did. And so it's it's it's very long and it is refuting everything that the enforcement group has tried to put up on Kansas including I mean I've seen a few a few tweets here there Including Kansas essentially trying to and this is going to be hard needle threat. And we'RE NOT GONNA get much on the podcast but it isn't newsworthy. Evangelist informed the listeners. Here they're going to try. Needless read where the reason why they were able to get whatever leniency they did with the Silvio case was because they had to admit that. Tj Gas a booster and. Now they're gonNA try and play that differently in this case to avoid serious charges because basically what it comes down to is. There is an expectation that not only severe punishment is coming for Kansas and for bill self next season but you could easily have self facing a season-long ban and Kansas having a postseason ban for twenty twenty twenty twenty one season overall so we have not had the time to delve into it. But you know this will wind up being one of the biggest stories of the offseason we get there and I do expect us to have a ruling on this with room to spare before the twenty twenty twenty one season starts but three hundred. Gp like talk about lowering to the Max. Three hundred seven pages are you see. I don't I don't know if there's maybe there has been but I can't imagine there's ever been a response to a single case that's been longer than three hundred seven pages like you said ensure they're pushing back on everything and the conceding absolutely nothing and I will and I. It appears because I've read what I've read and then I've seen clips. That people are posting on twitter and what it appears is that they're just saying you can think whatever you wanNA thing it can look however you want to look. You can't prove anything you have to prove it. Now it's like this is not a court of law. It's not beyond a reasonable doubt. The Standard of proof is is much lower than that and I will say. Listen I'M NOT GONNA be in a business of predicting how committee on infractions is going to rule on this stuff You know did because it's it's often unpredictable but I will say. Kansas is some of the points trying to make are simply not believable. I mean they don't pass the commonsense test so I don't you know because like one part of the response to the notice of allegations. Is that according to Kansas officials. And this is where this is. Where the routing part of their argument on this part of the of the case the Kansas staff had no knowledge of any recruiting activities by TJ gas. No that's just not believable. It's not believable and it's even referencing in some of its arguments like for example. There was an exchange between TJ gas. Nola who was the government witness WHO WORKED FOR ADIDAS AND BILL. Self where bill self doesn't INCRIMINATE HIMSELF. But the nature of the text message exchange in some of this redacted but I know it because I was in the courtroom where Tj Gas. Knowle's and I will paraphrase here for the sake of clarity and brevity. But he's basically saying like Kansas's first in line bill south and everyone get behind him. I won't fail you like I did with De'andre and then self says to all of it. If you want that yeah I mean you can you can if you want. If you want to lay it out we can. We can certainly that again. I had one more point but go ahead. Well first and foremost like the the the the response that staff the caves basketball staff had no knowledge of any recruiting activities by TJ guests Nola. They're literally text messages from T- from bill to TJ asking. Are we good after? Are we good with Silvio Guardian after gas NOLA had told Bill? Hey I just talked to Subic Guardian and bills responses. Are we good that that to me suggests knowledge of of recruiting activities by Tj Gas Nola in the recruitment of a prospective student athlete? You're asking him if we're good. If he's not recruiting for you or involved on some level how would he know if you're good and I should? Maybe it goes without saying but still I'm compelled the point out. I've known bill self and his entire staff for a long time and I like them and and I think they're wonderful at their jobs. They've got the best team in the country right now but they got caught. You know it is what it is. I don't think they're the only staff in America that was benefiting from Shoe Company help. I don't think they're the only staff in America but they're the only staff in America that has found themselves in this very specific situation and the text message combined with just what Peop- just just what we know makes it very difficult to believe it. I'll take it a step further impossible to believe that they really didn't know that. Tj Gas Nola was involved in any recruiting activities to the text exchange. You were referencing. Tj guests tax bill self after Kansas and Adidas had just reached a an extension on a long term deal and TJ was thinking bill for whatever role he played in helping get that extension done and bill replied via text that he was happy with. Adidas and then wrote quote just got to get a couple of real guys and then TJ responded in my mind. It's K- you bill self. Everyone else fall into line to F in Bad. That's what's right for Adidas Basketball and I know I'm right the more you win have lottery picks in UK. And you're happy that's how it should work in my mind and then bill self replies. That's how it works at UNC and Duke and then TJ replies by saying Kentucky as well and then he adds. I promise you got this. I've never let you down. Except what the Andrea Lol? We will get it right. There's no way that text message means those texts exchange. That takes a change. There's no way it means anything other than what it so obviously means right and then it gets in. Kansas has got to try and work around the fact that Guessing all admitted to paying off Billy Preston as well. And that's a it's a lot of ways in this case the other aspect of this That was pointed out by Dan. Wetzel is that Kansas is going to try. And here's just a quick quick graph. And if you WANNA move on we can says stated otherwise. According to enforce the enforcement staff referring to the instability enforcement staff of course every corporate sponsor and most if not all individuals associated with the sponsor our boosters of every institution with which the sponsor does business this theory. He were being theory. If adopted by the panel would have far reaching ramifications out the membership given the universal use of corporate sponsorships throughout Division One athletics moreover as is explained and the response under the terms of NCWA legislation innumerable current and former student athletes would be ineligible due to their pre enrollment participation in non events and non-scholastic teams that were provided financial support by Nike under ARMOUR ADIDAS AND OTHERS. That is the stretch of all stretches. Kansas essentially trying to say that any according to what the incidental as doing. It's it's saying that players before they get to college plan grassroots basketball for these big shoe company teams are benefiting improperly and therefore all of these players should be eligible. That's boiling way way down. But that's where Kansas saying there. It's it's an absurd argument. But it's one that the lawyers thought worthy to put it in a three hundred seven page released and sent back to incidental enforcement and it's obviously absurd and listen. I'm somebody who believes that. Nike has Spent money on individual families and then Used influence created by that money in that relationship to steer maybe not prospects to very specific schools but certainly to Nike schools. And I think under armour's done the exact same thing. I'm not naive to that. And if anybody tries to argue Nike has an operated in similar ways to adidas or under armour has operated in similar ways to date is out pushback on that every time they might have been smarter might have been cleaner less sloppy but I do believe that they've done similar things. But there's a big difference between building a grassroots program around five star prospect and his father and you know dropping off a bag of cash to a five star prospects mom and a hotel room. These are two very different things. They might lead to the same result but they're two very different things and trying to make them out to be the same as again if I if I were smart enough to be a lawyer and higher to handle this. Perhaps I'd make the same type of argument on paper but to anybody who understands the actual business of the sport it's it's laughable one more quick thing before we move on And I know you've talked about the radio show this week. Keep in mind going forward This may or may not be the case with Kansas but Memphis is in the middle of an NC double A. I where you have a complex case unit that is adjudicating this case it is not the committee on infractions that will determine the fate of Memphis program in regard to the fallout from the James. Wiseman situation and it will be the first one so it will be the Guinea pig so to speak now. The Weizmann thing is so different from the Kansas thing but what we have here is the how this decision gets made. I don't know I can't tell you right here. Right now Y You know the case is opposed to but you could have that with Kansas. And the biggest reason for having this is that yes it is the way of passing the buck but passing it to a panel of people that are extremely highly accomplished in in law and in dealing with Severe cases now their knowledge and able to interpret everything rate related. They're intelligent people. So I will give them the benefit of the doubt to start but the biggest factor and all that is that if that if that winds up being the case later this year. There is no appeals process. So when Memphis gets its ruling later this year. Whatever that is that's it you're done you accept it. There's you have no you have no recourse in. The same thing would be true if Kansas if it doesn't go to the committee on infractions. If the committee on infractions does rule on this you can still have a proper appeals process. Which as is does not have a high yield of overturns. And if you're wondering why that is particularly The late president myles brand was actually the one who changed a lot of that legislation in the early two thousands to make not impossible but extremely unlikely for anyone to win on appeal since you brought up the Memphis case in in put it in the same bucket or at least category as the Kansas case. I I am compelled to point out. Cases is trying to argue. It did nothing wrong and had nobody knew anything wrong. What's happening because nothing wrong was happening like they. They just really dug their heels down in the response here. Even that school knows you can't play a player with eligibility issues in defiance of the NC Double A. Even that school set down Billy Preston and sat down Silvio Desouza when eligibility concerns were were were made aware to them and so there are still some Memphis fans and even some Memphis media members who act like Memphis didn't do anything wrong here and the NC double A.'s. Just picking on poor little memphis but when you stupidly and I use that word intentionally stupidly play James Wiseman after they have told you they are real eligibility concerns will then you you. You Open the door to this. You get what you get and it sucks because the fan base was really fired up for the Penny Hardaway era and now the season has been a disaster because the best player quit and that their best player got hurt. And now you've got an NCAA crowd cloud hanging over your program that could impact recruiting and all sorts of other things going forward but like the second they put. James Wise went on a court in defiance of the incident play. They open themselves up to exactly what they're dealing with now and it is shameful and embarrassing that the people in charge that school didn't realize it in real time because lots of smart people and I'm not even calling myself smart but like lots of people myself included in. That group understood exactly what they were doing the fact that they didn't seem to understand or care really really failure in leadership last thing on Kansas For those who are wondering like okay. Well this is happening. You know beginning of March like when. Are we going to hear stuff next it will be a while? So this'll be the last thing will have on this for months The only things related to a you'll hear about or will enter into your orbit as a you know an observer or receiver of college basketball content in general is as Kansas if it does make deep runs into the NCAA tournament this stuff will be more more talked about and recently even GP on On the CBS. Sports Network set four facebook watch He had a commentary about how it would be beautifully awkward if we did in fact have yet another example of an coach being handed the trophy mark in the midst of his program being Being caught up in the midst of a huge scandal the SEC race is settled but the league is looking a little suspect right. Now we're going to get into that next but first check this out. College basketball fans bracket season is just around the corner and you can get started early with. 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Today pointed out Thursday morning. Every team including conduct ducky is now thirtieth or worse at Kim Palm Right. Now let me run you through. This is pretty interesting. So that means there's twenty nine teams ahead of the highest ranked. Scc team right now. According to Kim Tom as of Thursday night Kentucky's thirtieth so there's twenty nine teams in front of the best. Sec team there are nine in the top twenty. Nine from the big ten Dickson has nine of the top twenty nine. The Big East has five of the top twenty nine. The big twelve has four of the top twenty nine. The PAC twelve has three three west coast. Conference has to American. Has One mountain. West has one eight ten has one. Is that concerning to you. Norlander or let me ask even simpler question. Does the SEC have any good teams? Yeah Kentucky's a good team and I think that Auburn's a good team now auburn is rightfully slipping here. Because it's had a lot of overtime wins and a lot of very close winds in fact harboring up right now. Auburn was first in luck can palm for a much of the season. It's slipped down because of its losses. It's actually seven. How about that Virginia? Eighth in luck. no other teams that project into instantly tournament except for Texas at twelve or in the top. Twenty and luck is just what you think what you think it is. It takes your game results in what was expected to be in. If it's close It kinda shows you how much more fortunate you were to to wind up a on the on the better end of that but I do think that Kentucky in Auburn both really good especially like when you is it. Just he's a terrific top. Twelve to fifteen level kind of freshman. The Kentucky L. is problematic significantly Tennessee just because it was stunning the way it happened and even Calipari said he said like he said earlier. Today I think A media Carville ability in some form. I don't have the exactly off the top of my head but he said going into halftime. I was thinking that we were like a final four team and then at the end of the game. I'm just like completely lost. And he tweeted it. That's what it was 'cause. I'm focused on that first. Twenty minutes in you know getting my guys to continue be that but I won't ramble here. Gp or at least. I'll try not to Kentucky to me as very good team and I would still consider bracken unseen putting Kentucky into the Final Four. If you're gonNA tell me Ashton Hagans can be a lot better than he was against Tennessee. I agree with you. I. I don't think there are twenty. Nine teams actually better than Kentucky. Even if there are twenty nine teams ranked ahead of Kentucky Akin Bob but it is while if you took Kentucky through it in the big ten in ranked teams in that league. Based on adjusted Efficiency Margin Kentucky would be tenth in the victim behind Michigan State Maryland. Wisconsin Penn State Iowa Ohio State Rutgers Michigan and purdue so like whatever that means. Here's a question for him yeah will the SE have multiple teams in the sweet sixteen? I will say no. I will say because of the nature of the tournament Eldest I'll put my my wager on only one but I will if you set the over under at point five. I'm going over one point five. I'm going under you with me on that. Are you going to zero? I would not go zero? I just think somebody's GonNa get in right. Yeah I think somebody's GonNa win two games. I would assume Kentucky but like if it's not Kentucky it could be Auburn like it could be Arkansas. Getting hot. I don't know but I I would actually say I put the over at one point five. I would still take the over. I think the SEC. We'll have at least two of the sixteen sweet sixteen teams. But I don't have any I what I would assume it'll be Kentucky and somebody else. I Dunno quick passing on in the big ten because I happened to talk to big ten coaches in the past twenty four hours one head coach one assistant and both just brought up there like we are so ready to get the hell out of this league like just to play any other team. Just it's it's been an unreal grind and every coach always says like I can't wait to get on my league tough league. They're like I got I got it's like it's like when you're at the party at like you know to twenty in the morning like I gotta get the hell out of here man. That's what that's what the thought is within that league and I will be interesting to see. How many big ten teams can wind up finding success because you're gonNA clog a clog logjam on that five nine line overall real quick though Let me just scoop back into the SEC. Just to give a lesson idea here of where the teams are like trending toward. I'd say Kentucky. My Guess Is Kentucky. Will wind up being a four. Auburn. I think will be a five. That's my best guess. Lsu Is firmly in the tournament. But I don't know which direction it's going. He doesn't have a good defense whatsoever. The defense is horrendous. So I think you're GONNA have a big gap between those two and everyone else. I think between Lsu in Florida one of those two teams will be in the eight nine game. And then the other one like Florida's got a great Opportunity Home Against Kentucky this weekend. Gp and then the One might slip down to a ten. And that's where we're at then. You've got this jam where you've got Arkansas. Mississippi state trying to break through. See if they can get there but it could be just a forbid league this season. So it's it's it's light on teams. I think that's all it's going to get Arkansas. Still get a shot. But I don't know that might. That might be at this point. I'm going to go to. Sec teams in the sweet sixteen and somebody else member Arkansas. They don't jump off the page on you. But that's a good team with Isaiah Joe in the lineup the record is VAT. I think they're they went one in five without him so they they. Their resume would look much better if he never got hurt now. That is something that happened. You can't pretend it didn't but I do think once they get in the tournament they'll probably be better than what their seats suggest because they're better than what the resume suggest when they are at full strength due to go to the final four and one. Let's do it. What her record. Is this a forty five thirty nine and one for me? Thirty five hold on hold on forty five first of all. I tell you this every week. I figure you're putting into some sort of spreadsheet or Google doc airing. I quit caring like you could even be lying to me right now. I don't even care. I would never do that. Forty five thirty nine and one for me. Thirty six forty eight and one for you have had a couple of people tweet at me saying love and GPS picks fading them. And I'm coming up positive every week. So you're doing a service for the people think it's my pleasure. It's my pleasure I stuck. I don't I don't even gamble on anything anymore. I just stopped because I'm just I just obviously I sti- I don't have the time. I don't even have time to enjoy gambling anymore but thank God. I stopped because I'd be. I'd have to get a seventh job to support my gambling. Avid the way. These stupid picks are going all right. You ready picked out games a suet. Saturday. One PM Eastern Number Six Kentucky at Florida Inside Walsh Anderson Arena. You can watch it on. Cbs America's most watched network is the network stars. Florida is minus four assistant arena. You're getting worse with these names. Men Say Curse yes. I had the her Pope Center earlier. We hope I'm giving you credit. I'm giving you credit for her. Pope opus currently serving a forty eight months Senate for a bank robbery. Well didn't realize okay so I guess what we're learning here is the guy who actually are of questionable character are the ones that are getting these arenas now. Those are the ones I'm drawn to. I was I was personally hoping for all right. So whatever you get Rina's name the court there are eight. Hun- her pope. Let me make sure you understand what happened okay. Six foot nine former famous high school basketball player. Who then went to Seton Hall? Her Pope robbed a bank basically in his hometown. The company six foot nine people are there to rob like he robbed a bank and everybody was like what the suspect look like. They're like look like her pope over with no chance. So did we. Did we get a description of the suspect? Yes it was her pope the basketball player. He was six foot nine. Robert Blake Man. You didn't think through like if you're going to be six foot nine. You should probably try to rob a bank somewhere other than your hometown where you were a famous basketball player there by the way there can only be. There could be many choices. Florida has many. But I'm going to give the court honors to one Kenny Boynton. There's he was almost named Kenny boy. Look at look at us. Then yes see. That's how you know. Kenny Wayne Court. Walsh it okay. Do you remember Walsh Anderson now. We're GONNA go. Matt Walsh met walls. Oh Okay and Lauren Anderson and Lost Matt. Loss story didn't get enough attention. I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled with the Matt. Walsh underrated really good college. Passer but go ahead with the story. I wish this story happened in two thousand twenty. We'd be all over. We do entire pockets about it. Matt Walsh was a sophomore at Florida. Dating Lauren Anderson who was legit playboy centerfold. While in college he was like playing for Billy Donovan and she was in Playboy Centerfold. Not just in it but she was the centerfold. He was assault Warren College. This is good as it gets. That's Google Wash Lorna Anderson Puff Rodeo. Okay Fair enough can I get? Can I get Miss Anderson into the no context? I on college basketball. Podcast preview. Teas that might be a little too. I don't know if I can pull that off. Let me see if we can find a picture where she got her close enough. I can do that while you go and research that I am going to take Florida minus four I just don't trust this team. I will take Kentucky as a dog on the road to cover that number. Most of her pictures. She does not have clothes on our right. She does not like to wear clothes very much. I'm going to Tease Matt Walsh. Instead I've already made that you can find one. There are pictures where she doesn't have clothes. I warned in that teaser. I want that loss it's been done. You can get the actual playboy cover where she does have clothes on the on the cover of playboy all right there we go matt. Wash my man you make the call. Should I put that wash or the playboy cover in the teaser playboy? Cover always on then. That's more intriguing. It's more intriguing. It would make me. Let me. Send me the photo and I'll put it out. Put people what they're going to finally get to this part of the podcast and discover imagine. Imagine going to a podcast thinking. You're looking for Lauren Anderson. The playboy model and you end up in a game of Mary. Keel wasn't going to get as fire incidental winding road to this point of the pod. I'm taking Kentucky plus the four. Who are you taking? I'm taking Kentucky. Plus Two four Florida has zero. Wins over top forty? Kim teams this season. Gators our own five against top forty KIMPAN. I can't trust them and by the way because I get asked every once in a while like a so. What happened in the top ten? Here's the truth. If I went back and based on the stuff we had available to us in the preseason to rank teams. I put forward in the Again they brought back good pieces they had the best Grad transfer on the market. And then they add a two five star freshmen. Who one of them at least was projected lottery. Pick like that's on paper. That's topped stuff. But it's it's more complex than what I'm about to say. But go look at what their five-star Freshman of done. They've just been very average. I mean you look at the freshman every week. They're just they're just guys and so yeah. It's a once you're five star. Freshman don't perform at the level that five-star freshmen are expected to perform. Well that's how you go from being a top ten team to you. Know a a middle of the bracket team which is what? Florida seems to be agree. All right what do you have game to Saturday. Two PM Eastern Number One Kansas at Texas tech inside Darvin Ham arena right. You can watch it on. Espn Kim Palms Got Kansas minus. Four Texas tech has a sneaky shaky resume. Don't I didn't understand? It lasts okay? So last week they were ranked and I would get Texas Tech. Fans like tweeting me. So you're going to be the only person not touring Texas tech and I looked at Texas Tech's body of work and I just was like didn't even have it on my radar so I went back and looked again. It's all it's a bad body of work I don't know I don't know how they were ranked the people there like a very. They're they're bubble team right now. Far as I'm concerned bubble team unquestionably. They have by the way. This game is going to be played. Andre Emmett court. Rip Andre Emmett they so pullman for me of this again. I'm losing track. I hope I'm not repeating myself on the PODCAST. I host another doesn't even matter on cue whatever. So here's what Paul told me right now. Texas tech is they are ten and twelve aggregate in Quad. One two and three okay. Two Games under five hundred. I think he said that. There's like one team ever in the past like twenty five years. That's gotten a large with with being two games under five hundred. Quad one-two-three but he is retro because a quadrupling exist for a few years here so he retrofits it so that and this is obviously isn't direct correlation but back in the day it was. Rpi Top fifty RPI top one hundred in our top two hundred. So if you were say. Ten to twelve against those teams. In those instances you weren't going to get that large bid. Texas tech astill rates well on the net. But it's got some work to do and if it loses to Kansas. I'm of the belief it needs to in the big twelve tournament to feel good so they need. They need a big showing Chris. Beard has got a has got to come up big yes. The resume is definitely thin. Best Wins Smu. No that's not it. I'm in the wrong ear. Hold on Buddy. They beat Louisville. I was at the game. They beat Louisville handily. That's by far the best win and they have against West Virginia on their home floor at Texas Texas. What else do you want from me? That's it it's not nothing but it's not great. I'M GONNA take no Kansas trying to get the standard started. Got The big twelve regular season championship for the fifth time in sixteen years. I will you know what I'll take testing I. I'm not coughing in this at all but why not. I will take Texas Tech to cover this game. I don't know if it'll win. But they're getting four. GimMe the raiders. Okay I'll take Kansas minus four then. Whatever but one thing obviously great coaching match. The Guy who's already a hall of Famer against a guy who's one of the real difference makers on the sideline much smaller career so far is a division one head coach but Chris. Beard is undeniably awesome and it was interesting. I thought few weeks ago I was talking to Adrian will be our friend from. Espn the greatest NBA insider in the whole wide world. And I was talking about just SORTA random like you know people talking about bill self going to the NBA or J. Reid going to the NBA. Who is the guy when you talk to to? Nba People. Is there somebody that they say? Hey this guy's on our radar we like to hire you. Know we're we're interested. We could see this guy working in our league someday and the first name won't crispier when MBA people go through Lubbock to see demise ramseyer whomever else they walk out of there going. That guy might be the best basketball coach in college basketball. Well okay. I think that his natural disposition I think it would work in the NBA. I wonder if he'd want to do it. I mean the paycheck coming like that would be interesting to hear I. I could see it. Yeah I don't know many people who wouldn't want to do what if given the opportunity and a good situation because it really is. It's an easier lifestyle. I don't know if it's an easier job easier lifestyle. Yeah Yeah I agree that that'll be a that would be intriguing there All right so we split on that one. What game. Three Saturday. Four PM Eastern Number Ten Louisville at number twenty two for Jinya inside Austin Nichols arena. You can watch it on. Espn Kim got it. Louisville MODEST ONE VILLE MINUS ONE. Okay goodness just got a text. But I can't read it on the show I'm surprised at that number. I didn't I didn't think that it would be okay. Maybe I'm maybe I'm probably right but I'm just surprised at the number so this first of all Tony Bennett Got Virginia. Cavaliers won the ACC regular season championship. Like what are we doing here? This is stupid Jay Huff by the way who I was. Insistent beyond our preseason top one hundred and one list non factor for eighty percent of the season and then suddenly just become a BC scored. Virginia's first seventeen points by the way Virginia. Virginia one against Miami Forty six forty. Four I it's stupid dude. I I but I love it. I love the fact that Tony Bennett. Wins National Championship and then Virginia just becomes the Most Virginia. It can possibly be there. It has not lost since it lost to Louisville. Not even a trivia time. He'll just throw. The nugget. Louisville has never defeated Virginia twice in the same season but except for that Louisville Loss Virginia has won all of its games Dating back to January twentieth here it it needs to beat Louisville and it needs Florida state to lose at home. Which isn't going to happen this weekend because Florida state is very team playing a terrible Boston College team. But if if Virginia beat Louisville if Florida State lost at home to Boston College. It's not inconceivable. Virginia would actually finish again at the top of the standings. That would be whole Larry us. We might even have to lead the pot if that happened but I don't think it's going to happen and I don't think that Louisville is going to beat Virginia twice in the same season. Give me the way. Who's to win into? Bumped seed even higher man. They're creeping up and creeping up and creeping up. Virginia seven game winning streak like you mentioned Ken Pomeroy tweeted this. I guess it was Wednesday night after the the you know the the low scoring victory over Miami. The seven game winning streak Virginia as one those games by a total of twenty six points. It is the lowest point total differential for a team on a seven game winning streak it ties for the lowest in modern history. That's why palm because that's you gotta WanNa find that stat and we have no means of getting it but it also speaks to wide Virginia so high in luck as I mentioned earlier this season right and why for as much as we will praise Tony Bennett for the job. He's done to get this team safely into the tournament. You can only trust Virginia as far as you can throw them this year and the big bracket I don't know where I'll put them on. They are without a doubt a team that is going to thrive or flame out based on the match ups get into bracket the seven wins. Here's how it breaks down. They got a one point. Win Over Notre Dame three two point wins over North Carolina. One overdue win over Miami. To three point wins overpaid and went over for genetic and then a thirteen point win over Boston. College Boston College due to Virginia. Blows you out just time to call it. It's a win. It very much is okay. So I'm taking the Wa who's who you taken taken? Virginia inside Austin Nichols Arena. Got It do it. I feel like change it since the last one. But that's okay no you John. Paul Jr John Paul Jones arena. Yeah now I m last time. I thought it would jump. Jones is a memphis there. We go all an incredible bass player. In an incredible baseball player Austin Nichols also amend fiene. Who played a grand total of what team for dupree? Just can you imagine traits? Virginia's sitting out a year playing one game getting kicked off. I know but he did dodge the UNBC debacle so part of that that blame him. And you can't blame the Andre Hunter by the way this is tiger court. Don't think I forgot Virginia fans. Okay Game Four. Who you got. It was Ralph Sampson arena. Because he was a three time all American built Walton. Yeah that's what it is. We gotTA stick. But I'd rather go with the guy who played one game before getting kicked off its Austin Nichols Arena tied trump court inside Austin Nichols arena Sunday thirty. Pm Eastern Number Nineteen Ohio state at Number Sixteen Michigan State inside the Knights L. Center you can watch it on CBS. It's America's most watched that work is the network stars. Let Me Guess Align Hall. I'll say I'll say I'll say three Michigan state minus five according to Kim Palm. Okay Both these teams are in the top. Ten I don't have it in front of me but I'm GONNA say Michigan State if I'm remembering right Michigan six in Ohio state nine. I think you're just trying to say six nine. Well that maybe but Was that a nice guess. What am I right? What did you ask me? I've got the entire New York City getting arrested right now. So okay just sirens nonstop thing about spending so much time right in the middle of the city like you. Don't even hear these sirens under normal circumstances. But because I've got this head. Sit on the sirens. Go into the Mike and then directly into my ear here so I don't think came out the pod. That'll actually sometimes happen. Because I happen to live about a mile from one of the local volunteer fire departments and so because unlike a main valve in my town. We have definitely had multiple podcasts. This season first of all standing up in the dark again in a plain white t shirt and I can see a little belly popping out like what stretch area is what this all started. Because I asked You I'm GonNa look up the damn rankings myself hold New York City and it sirens like. There's nothing unusual about it. Like you're you're you're not listening to what I'm telling you. There's nothing unusual about it. Except that the sirens are curly hitting my microphone and then shooting directly into my ears because my headphones are turned up very loud so I can hear you a very loud. Under normal circumstances I wouldn't even notice them but because they're so loud directly in my ears. I notice you know the truth. He wants you spend this much time in the city. You don't notice sirens anymore all that just sort of you don't hear it anymore. You know what you hear silence. There was a time maybe last year or year before a blizzard was coming through turned out not to be nearly as bad as they thought they thought it was going to be the worst thing ever and they closed all the streets in Manhattan like there was no cars on the street. So what you like. Wake up in the middle of the night and you hear nothing. And that's what was weird hearing nothing because New York constantly hearing everything including sirens. I definitely hear what you're saying. There Pun intended so much seven. Ohio State is eight in compounds. Rankings Ohio State. Got a nice comfortable. Pull away win late on Thursday night against the Good Illinois team. Chris Hillman squad has won. Four Straight Games got it at home. It's Maryland obviously they wanted Pinnacle Bank arena because everyone does and then one at home over Michigan Illinois and they are coming back into form here. We have to get the win on the weekend but they started out hot. They were the number one team in the net debuted for the second straight season back in December. But I have to ride. I think you gotta be with me here. Michigan state minus five on caches Winstons. His senior nights. I can easily see it being a close game. This is a very compelling game a really good game on Saturday but I'm going to ride with Sparty. Msu I am too and by the way Maryland also enters the weekend thirteen and six they host Michigan and then because Illinois lost. It's only a three way. Tie at the top Wisconsin. Thirteen six there at Indiana prediction Michigan State of Maryland. Co Big Ten champs When we wake up on Monday morning because I'm like you. I'm not picking against a cash Winston on senior Dan and it'll be. It'll be pretty pretty remarkable in a season in which Michigan State Open with the loss to Kentucky and then failed three and two of the Lost Virginia Tech and then fell five and three with a blowout loss at home to Duke. They still were able to pull it together and win a big ten title. That's where we're that's that's the direction we're headed right now. You are correct all right so we agree on that so before we get to the fifth game. We do have automatic bids coming out this weekend. So just as a primer reminder for the listeners. We got to Saturday three Sunday and there are different. Benchmarks always make it feel like marches. Arrive for me. A lot of it was really that just by Dell snack stuff on Tuesday but when you do have those championship games and the automatic bids going out like That's when you get the feel good. He's coming out so weirdly enough and GP. I don't know if you heard it in studio today or this week as to why this is i. Don't I don't have the information offhand. But the mountain West bumped up. Its tournament schedule. This season so the championship game is going to be played on. Cbs on Saturday. But do we know why exactly the mountain west opted to do that. I would assume I don't. The answer is no. I don't know why I would assume somebody said do you. WanNa play on CBS. I gotTA believe it right. That's I mean and you take that absolutely if you're the mountain west sure there's no doubt about it so they get on big. Cbs They will be handed out to bid and then as always the Ohio Valley is that first small league that gets the automatic bid handed out. That'll be on. Espn two on Saturday night. And what's interesting about the valley is this it's got. It's got three teams that I truly believe are capable of winning until they tournament game but only one team they don't have a two-bit situation going on so you got a Belmont Post Rick. Bird still still got the Rick Burgess going which is fantastic. Murray or about this rick. Burt juice I'll have to tell you offline you got Murray state getting potentially back to the tournament a year after post jaw and they're still really good against Samat McMahon He is certainly I don't know how many big jobs are gonNA open But he should get a good hard look. I think he's done a great job there in a long line of successful. Murray state coaches is almost like A. You know a Xavier if you will at a mid major level and then Austin p. Is the team that I think I'd want to see in the tournament more than anyone else because one the school just embraces. Let's Go pee had path for decades going back to fly Williams but they have a freshman named Jordan Adams who is awesome awesome. Like he's going to be the next really really good point guard to get potentially. I think we'll we'll get drafted out of the League jotted. He's not going to be a second pick. He's not gonNA be John Ramp. He's really really good. Initially committed to Baylor. And they have Terry Taylor who is putting up like career numbers that have been done by only ten players ever so often his team to keep an eye on those two. Aren't Saturday Sunday on. Espn you'll have the Atlantic Sun title game between Loose Lips. Liberty the big south of play out on Sunday as well on ESPN and then as always the Sunday. Before selection Sunday we will have arch madness in its title game on Sunday afternoon. The semi's will broadcast on. Cbs Sports Network on Saturday for the Missouri Valley Championships. Keep an eye on that. We'll have five teams in the tournament when we get back to podcasting on Sunday night. Now as for my game. Everything is stacked on Saturday. I'M GONNA I'm gonNA dodge Sunday altogether. If there's anything notable we'll get to it but it's mostly American big ten games. I think after examining all of this. There's a lot of good ones. I want to give love to a team. That hasn't really gotten much this season but he took. I did not anticipate on you. Pekin Ville Virginia their GP. I'M GONNA GO Austin Nichols Arena Yeah that's right that's true. I'M GONNA go I'M GONNA go with the CBS game. It's America's most watched network network stars and this is a three fifteen tip on Saturday So as you watch this if you watch it on your phone or wherever I'll be in studio for. Cbs which will literally be previewing talking at halftime. And postgame of this game in addition to Kentucky Florida. And all that's going on. Ucla USC both teams trying to get into this damn awesome six team tournament because gp you gotTa Somehow put sixty teams into the field. I heard that I haven't heard you talk about that on. Cbs Sports Network yet with the thing. People don't realize we gotta put sixty eight teams in this thing and then the other thing that people don't don't understand is that you gotta have four number one seeds and so you can keep talking about what if Kansas Texas tech and then Kansas Loses in the big twelve tournament while we still gotTa have four number one season. I don't think you're GONNA be able to find four with better. Resumes Than Bill Sells Kansas Jayhawks. You're right you're right so three fifteen on Saturday. Ucla inside. I'm going to be probably for this because I feel like so you'd pick OJ Mayo inside the OJ Mayo Center. Oj misunders fine OJ. Mayor Center could go. D Melton Center. That's my favorite guy you want. You can have the courtyard of the court the Mountain Court. He deserves that he does he. Actually you know what he does somebody somebody actually get a piece of the court and deliver it to the Anthony Mountain for us. Please try and get that done you have some surprisingly USC as a home. Six point favorite over your Mick Cronin Bruins who you take dude. I that is disrespect. Hoke is supposed to take respectable thing I've ever heard making Mick Cronin. A six point underdog. I think John Wooden sculpture this team inside the Oj. Male sitter. No no no. No no under no circumstances. Ucla plus six UCLA Straughn PAC. Twelve chance they will indeed be that if they are able to get a win here it is a big week. Four the PAC twelve. They have seven teams in the mix. Ucla Oregon Arizona State Colorado USC Arizona and Stanford all in the mix to get into the field. We'll see how things shake out this weekend and then with the League tournament next week Provided the corona virus doesn't prevent people from attending it. I WILL TAKE USC TO COVER. Only because you call the disrespectful. I have to play the odds in this instance here. I don't feel good about it but I'm GONNA ride The trojans and that horse there so we have agreement on Kentucky. We have agreement on Michigan State. And we've agreed on. Virginia we split on. I've got red raiders. You've got Jayhawks Trojans you've comp ruins shelves to Devin Downey shells to Chester South Carolina Terry. Mfn teagle he's alleged chester are now just a Lauren Anderson. Guler Google Earth. You need to please go subscribe to the College Basketball podcast via apple podcast rated favourably five stars nice comments. That's all I've ever asked him. We're going to talk to you again. Honestly we're not sure. We're not sure we'll talk again. We think I'm traveling Sunday. And we probably can't record before Michigan State. Perhaps the cure a victim title on cash went to senior day so this might be a situation where we have to record on Monday morning. But we'll let you know we we Bay. 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05/13: The Zion Williamson story that have plenty of Duke haters hoping the NCAA will somehow manage to punish Coach K's program

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05/13: The Zion Williamson story that have plenty of Duke haters hoping the NCAA will somehow manage to punish Coach K's program

"Gary Wednesday may thirteen two thousand twenty. Welcome back to the. Cbs towards on college basketball. Podcast where we sometimes discuss Campbell fighting. Hanley Glad Matt norlander is your with being nine days since our last pockets. I think that's the longest. We've gone between podcast. Since at least the start of last season. So how you Banbury okay good. Yeah I've been I've been goodman. It's it's not a bad little break here. We have had some news. We're going to get to. There's been some random stuff with college. Hoops and and whatnot but Just trying to keep up with schedules and and keep up with the kids here. Home finally getting a couple of nights days here in Connecticut. Get the kids outside to all that stuff. I actually come to you with With wet knees. I was doing some gardening before he went knees. Just right before we before we podcast here just getting in the weeds out there trying to clean up some stuff. So it's been it's been pretty good. How you hanging hanging in down there memphis and how's your son? I think we last podcast. Your son decided to ramp up the your household treadmill to To ten point Oh speed and just hop on it and bust up his face. How's he doing? He's doing well. He recovered quickly. And it's IT'S. It's just an incident in his past. It's a circus circus every day. I'm exhausted I. Our nights are exactly the same radio six get home around six thirty and as soon as I walk in my wife's had the kids for the entire afternoon and so she's ready for a break and the kids are into play with me. She's more of A. She's the one that sits down at the table. When does the teaching? And I'm the one that says. Oh you want some more of this. Mario Kart let's go and so I walk in and Oliver's like Hey Dan can you WANNA play Mario Cars? Of course I want to play. Mario Kart for the seven hundred consecutive day. But I need about ten minutes to do a couple of things before we play. He said okay. How long is ten minutes because he still has no concept of time? I said it's not too long You can just stay down here or you can come stairs and hang out for many. He said I'll come upstairs. That's cool so the way my office is set up. The treadmill is about fifteen feet from my desk. But I can't see it from my desk is just the way the walls are shaped. I take a picture and send it to you and so I hear on the treadmill just going normal speed and because he sexually announced it's to me well. I'll just while I'm waiting. I'll play on the treadmill and I said well that's not really a toy. That's more of an exercise. He I'll exercise then I said you're you're six. You don't really exercise. You look like you're in good shape. You don't need exercise right now especially on the treadmill just please. Can you just sit still for ten minutes? Let me do what I gotta do. So he the next thing I hear is could cranking up the treadmill. It's full speed and I hear running. And he like he's he's cranked it up before he's never actually tried to get on it but this time he just said. I'll see what happens when I jumped on it and before I had to say like hey don't turn it off or stop playing around. He just I hear new and then I hear nothing I said. Hey you right and nothing. And he just SORTA walks with his back to me out the door and then downstairs and so I'm like well he he must have. I thought maybe through something on the treadmill like a golf club or something I didn't know and so I'm just but like golf club. That NOISE PARISH I. It was I thought he threw something that way too. I thought I didn't think I didn't think it was him because I never heard him cry or or like if I did that. I'd be like our F- or something. There was no sound from a human so I thought he threw something on the treadmill and then I said Okay and he just see him walk out and I just. I'm like okay. Well this is good now. He's gone treadmills off. I can do what I need to do before we play. Mario Kart for three hours and I got a text message from my wife and she says it just says come here and I'm like Oh God I'm in trouble already tonight usually. It's at least ten o'clock before I'm in trouble. I'm in trouble already and I go downstairs. And he is sitting in the bathtub in tears in his face is blasted up bad black. I big scars headfirst into the treadmill and the treadmill Bela minimum phase and. He was so either embarrassed or scared of getting in trouble that he was going to try to sneak out but he didn't know until he got downstairs at his face was messed up right so he got downstairs looked in the mirror then he knew there was no hiding it. It was hard to be mad at him. You know it'll just a six year old. Who's been home for two straight months? He's going crazy but yeah so if you're if you're keeping track since the pandemic is hit and we've been Safer at home safer at home particularly not in this home. My son my seventeen year old has run over our mailbox. My six year old has gone head first into a treadmill and my three year old has taken a stone from outside. Throw it into a glass shower door. Shattered the entire thing. This whole endemic is is It's been it's been it's been ruffle. My House and on my children was the was the great flood of Hernandez also Post Tournament. Cancellation also flooded. Our backyard seems so minor relative to everything else at this point but yes we also. We've flooded the backyard since the pandemic but other than that. Everybody's good like we're mostly healthy and we're doing okay and I. I actually think it's interesting. I live in two totally different parts of the country. We are now approaching this in two totally different ways like down here. Folks are just like yeah. You know what I ain't worried about it anymore. I mean that is generally the approach like. I went to a grocery store Friday night. I tweeted about this and it's just an anecdotal piece of evidence but it but it's true. I went to store Friday night near my home. Two weeks ago went to the grocery store I say about fifty percent of the people were wearing masks. I went the other night Friday night and I was the only customer. The only customer I saw wearing masks was me and do for my next my next grocery trip. I think Friday. We've been able to space it out. Basically every fourteen to sixteen days and the past three times. It's been every single person and obviously the tape on the floors and all that stuff and I guess we'll see coming forward but Connecticut still is beginning to loosen some things. But it's I think for the better still staying mostly more cautious than anything but But you're right. We are reaching a point here. Where a certain segment of the population is basically fed up. And we're going to get to some stuff here but real quick just on the sports angle with all of this. This is how things can become more detrimental to sports and even our livelihoods if the collective population just decides not to buy into this and it's going to do what it's going to do and we have Exacerbation with this around the country. Then it's going to stall the return of baseball or football or college sports in College in general as a as a kettle of fish there so It has been the seat and track all of this stuff and follow. Gp because I can understand particularly with millions and millions tens of millions of Americans that are out of work or have been furloughed and are are reaching a point of desperation. There's no doubt about it and yet the virus just doesn't give a damn about any of that. If you don't abide by its rules it's going to stand to potentially infect a lot more people and even if that's not a going to kill a high percentage it's still going to kill tens and tens of thousands of people just going to put a lot of people into hospitals long-term effects of all this. We still don't even know. And so that's why the people in charge of these sports leagues are. They have to be aware of all of this. Because of tha shutdowns or or or stalls but potential lawsuits. That could come with all of this and so I understand the virus. Unfortunately it should be a a matter dictated largely by science. I understand that but inevitably has become a political thing. And this is A. This is a case where the politics of it in sports. It's inevitably going to intersect here and it is going to have an impact on when we can see leagues resume later this year for every day that I might have a little bit of optimism. The next day arrives in and there's real cases for why that might not Be Such a smart thing. You're huge baseball. Fan and Washington National Sean doolittle. I believe he had a just a great twitter threat on Monday. That was like hey listen. I want to play as soon as possible but before we do that here. All the reasons why we need to take into consideration before we do this and it was everything from the people that work these events to help. You travel the buses the families that need to be taken care of all the all the staff everything that goes into it and it was just a a reminder and when you consider everything that he was putting on the table there with college athletes. It's it's an even starker reminder so I remain hopeful optimistic but you also have to be pragmatic with all of this stuff and the anecdotes that you give out of your home town. They're they're not surprising but it would be nicer if we could see people collectively just being a little more willing to just wear your mask when you go out in public when you when you refused to do that you come off as close minded. Frankly a jerk. Because it's not just about you. It's about everyone else around you. In addition to the fact that you know studies have shown that if everyone wears masks the the transmission of the virus empirically dramatically reduces and. We can actually help ourselves even willing to do that. If you WANNA get out and leave your house and do what you gotTa do. Go to the store go. You WanNa go. If you wear a mask you're going to help the cost and help us get back to where we need to be Sooner rather than later right I mean that that's sort of a the message to my my children all have their own mask and My wife and I haven't been anywhere other than my house where I wasn't wearing a mask in you know in a it's not. It's not that big of a deal. I you know I don't love. It feels weird. It's difficult to communicate with another person if you're trying to do that but like the problem we're not breaking news here. The problem isn't what happens when a twenty five year old gets the virus. A twenty five year old is almost certainly going to be fine. The problem is what happens when that twenty five year old gets the virus spreads that virus to somebody who is not going to handle it as well and if wearing a mask prevent that from happening or make it less likely that it will happen which is exactly what wearing the mess does. I just don't understand how you couldn't say okay. I if that's all I have to do to do my part I'll do that. It really does seem selfish. If you're walking around a grocery store with no mask on and I wear them as somewhat for that reason as well I I don't I don't I wouldn't want people mask shaming me like like looking young man. Why don't you? Why don't you have a man? Yeah reverses happening though like I had so one of my closest buddies who's actually a cancer survivor contracted corona virus about three weeks ago. And he's he's okay. He's recovered and all that but He happens to work for one large manufacturers in Connecticut and they have a system where like massive shifts of people leave the building and enter the building and he got out of his car put on his. I was talking about three or four days ago. We're just doing catch up how you doing whatnot. And we were just talking about everything that he'd gone through and he's getting out of his car getting ready to go in and as he gets of puts his mask on and another person. Who doesn't know just happens to work at. The company is leaving to go to his car and says you know you really shouldn't let the government tell you what you should do. There's no reason why is that's the exact and he he's like you know what? I didn't even say anything to them. Because it's just not worth the fight sometimes but that's the exact thinking that's the problem. There that will ultimately go towards stalling returning to where we want to be in returning to sports some sense of normalcy not just the Games reading play. Gp But even able to have fans in stadiums at ten percent capacity at twenty percent capacity. Let alone a hundred percent capacity. Who knows when that could even be possible? Yeah like I. I haven't seen that like in person like you're wearing a mask you're a sheep. I haven't seen that with my and I haven't heard that but I know those stories exist and it's just like what like somebody's actually trying to do what the scientists are asking us to do in your that. You're mad at them for a cure. What I mean I honestly and perhaps this was naive and then we'll move on. I honestly thought this would be an issue. This pandemic that we could all basically agree on like if the scientists say. Let's wear masks then this mask and I think we were okay for about a week and then it quickly turned into depending on what channel. You Watch at night. You're gonNA feel about wearing a mask in public and like you can't let the government take your rights away. It's just nonsense but it's it's our country so we'll get through a one way or another. I hope let's move onto sports sort tied to all this starting to call him. I rode earlier this week. That got a lot of reaction and basically the reaction I thought it would get. It really falls into exactly what we're talking about right now. Either like if you believe this virus a real and dangerous thing people are like oh wow I hadn't really thought of that but that's GonNa be a storyline and if you believe that it's stupid to wear a mask than you think that I'm making a big deal out of absolutely not right so whatever but I'm watching cable news all day every day right now just like millions of others. I'm addicted to the updates. I'm anxious for any good developments and one of the things. I started hearing last week from doctors and politicians even the president of the United States who has been skeptical of this virus More skeptical than most One of the things that everybody seems to agree on is that teachers and professors sixty five and up should be urged to take the fall semester off from in-person teaching because they are according to the CDC at high risk for severe illness from Cova Nineteen. So it got me thinking like if if professors and teachers are going to be encouraged not to conduct in person teaching this fall semester and spring semester as well why would it be okay for seventy six year old. Jim Boeheim to do in person coaching. Like why would it be a? Why would it be safe for seventy four year old? Mike's ski to in person. Coaching seventy year. Old Roy Williams anybody sixty five up in the list of coaches is pretty significant. Rick Pitino Leonard Hamilton. Bob Huggins Tom. Izzo Bob mckillop and so I was like well. There's a breakdown here because nobody's really talking about every talking about. Are we going to have sports and we're going to have these individuals sports baseball? Nba College basketball. Hasn't really heard anybody. Talk about like is is Jim. I'm going to be. Is it GonNa be reasonable for him to coach his basketball team if we have a basketball season if it starts on time without a vaccine and so just to make sure I wasn't being crazy? Main named John McCullough mccullers and he is An expert in influenza pandemics and he is actually leading a task force that is advising the University of Tennessee on how to safely reopen its campus in the fall. So this is like a serious doctor who has serious responsibilities. He's thirty on this and I got US number and I reached out to him. I said hey listen just the simplest of questions but I want to make sure I'm not off base here that I don't have a blind spot or a missing something and he said. Okay what I said it. I said I. My understanding is sixty five and up or anybody with underlying medical conditions like. They don't need they'd be need to be more careful than most he said. Of course I said so. Sixty five an upper professors are being discouraged from teaching in the fall semester. Is that also true? He said my recommendation to the University of Tennessee is that sixty. He actually took it five years younger. He said my official recommendation to the University of Tennessee is that sixty and up professors. Either take the year off or teach online and I said okay. Let me ask you this. Why is it going to be safe? For Seventy six year old Jim Boeheim at Syracuse. Seventy four year old. My suggest Duke. Seventy year old Roy Williams with North Carolina in any other coach in that age. Why is it going to be safe for them to resume coaching and any kind of traditional way? And he said. I don't think it's going to be safe and so here we are. You know I got to figure out if we're going to have a season but once we figure out if we get to a place where the season is actually going to start on November tenth champions Classic like is Mike Schakowsky. Going to be coaching in that way because the if he is what he is doing is exposing himself to college students basketball players who bouncing around college campus all day every day. And then they're coming into a locker room like as much going to be. Okay in a huddle where I left column was it. Seems like these coaches are going to have some pretty tough decisions to make where you at on this. They will have tough decisions to make. Now College basketball gets the you know. I got the worst of it in that its biggest event got cancelled because a corona virus. What because we're it lands on the calendar. The sport now gets the benefit of having to wait the longest. Okay every other sport will return or a scheduled to return prior to college basketball and so that inherently is is undeniable. Gp A benefit there. But whenever we get to that point first and foremost you hope that we have enough data to make more informed decisions. Obviously it's going to be a a difficult thing for college. Basketball coaches many of them extremely good. 'cause IF YOU'RE A head coach at that age obviously you are accomplished. You've been around a while and and you know what you're doing so to speak. And so that makes it makes all the tougher because you're an established person in your field and the idea that you would not coach is is not. It's not an easy on our circumstances but in this particular field where it's competitive you know as it is easy to envision a scenario in which coaches would do that will say this dropping it down to the sixty threshold if you will GP. I mean that that brings in even more coaches into the fold and and affects a lot of men who are at prominent places. If you look across the major seven conferences Here's here's a quick roll Of most of them Bruce Weber at Kansas state. Tom Izzo Michigan State frame. Mccaffrey at Iowa Leonard Hamilton Florida State. Obviously she asked Duke. Mike Bray Notre Dame Jim Boeheim at Syracuse. Jim Larranaga Florida Royat. Unc Dana Ben Jalan at Mississippi State. Rick Barnes at Tennessee Kelvin Sampson at Houston. Bob Huggins at West Virginia. Lon Kruger had Oklahoma. I mean there might even be a couple more in there. I mean that's a lot of guys and obviously I. If it got to that point where they they had to seriously consider it I would. I would suspect that most if not all would do But it is a legitimate health risk and particularly when you look at how the statistics affect people especially when you get into that seventy plus range even more so so. It's a worthy question to put out there. I understand how this can trigger some people. Frankly shouldn't be triggered by this stuff where they say you know why is why is the media fearmongering? It's not necessarily that. It's that these are actual real questions that these head coaches will be addressed by not just the CDC and Brian Hanlon who helps run up The cove in nineteen taskforce. But again as you just the own chief of this whole project Tennessee. One of his own coaches would apply to this. Okay so these kind of questions. It's just kind of here. Are the risk you need to know about. We are going to try to put you in situations where you are best protected to this and frankly if if college sports is to return you need to have testing on on on practically daily basis of everyone that wants to be in the building. Gpa I mean and until we get legitimate medicine vaccine. That's the only way that you're gonna be able to do this. And so it. Just it presents an interesting scenario down the road. And that's just men's basketball. I mean there are so many college sports that have coaches that are beyond that sixty or even sixty five mark and even notable ones football. I mean some of the best coaches Sabin the most prominent of all of them cross that threshold as well right. I mean exhibit sixty nine years old John Calipari by the way you list college basketball coaches sixty one years old and so the reaction of the column the negative reaction was like just weird to me unsurprising but still weird because the column doesn't even have an opinion in it. It's not an opinion it's okay a covert nineteen is here and it's not going anywhere fact. We are almost certainly not going to have a vaccine by November fact professors sixty five and upper being encouraged not to return to in person teaching fact. There's a lot of prominent coaches sixty five and up boy. It sounds like they're going to have a tough decision to make. That's the whole column and people were like well. I think it should be their choice. Mother effort I said it should be their choice. I mean I'm not actually sure it should be their choice like college could actually implement some sort of safety precaution that that says we're protecting you from yourself like. I don't know the legal legal terms how that would work but I'm not certain it'll be left up to the coaches but I certainly didn't suggest it shouldn't be in the column of fine. Leave it up to them. I'm just saying if you leave it up to them. It's still a tough decision because you know if we get the NBA back. Because I had somebody say well. Hey what about Gregg Popovich? He's in his seventies and and Mark Dantonio is sixty nine years old and listen. I think they've got to take this into consideration as well but what we're going to do with the NBA. A presumably is like take everybody to Disneyworld create something as close to a bubble as can reasonably be created and then test test test test test test test in certain positive test. A pop up here and there but it. I don't think it'll be massive numbers. I hope that it won't be massive numbers. College campus is not a bubble. You have ten thousand fifteen thousand Syracuse. Twenty two thousand enrollment. I don't know what the numbers are going to look like this fall but tens of thousands of people bouncing around the campus and the viruses going to be on that campus. Some people are going to bring it to the campus contract it while they're there but no person with a brain is trying to suggest that that people aren't going to get sick if we reopen these campuses in in the fall the only argument and this is also rooted in fact is college. Kids will almost certainly be fine. The almost all survive so yes. They'll be sick but they'll they'll all survive. It's incredibly rare for a young person without underlying medical conditions to to die from this. At least. That's what the data shows at this moment. So okay yes. Virus will be there and kids will get sick but there will be their kids. They're going to be fine alright but now they're bouncing the viruses bouncing around the campus. And what happens if a Syracuse Basketball Player? Do Basketball gets it. And now he walked locker room with Giambi. Like that's where the danger comes in. I mean even clay travis who has been Dismissive of this virus from the jump in embarrassingly wrong ways. Even he says we should reopen all college campus but just keep teachers sixty five and up out of off. Campus keep employees sixty five hundred people who work in a cafeteria. Anybody Sixty five and up. You can't come to campus everybody else. Let's go that's even his plane. I mean this is something nobody seems to disagree with that. It is going to be dangerous for people sixty five and up to be on a college campus and so you know. I it it. It strikes me as an unavoidable issue. That might have sounded ridiculous to some when I posed it this week. But if we actually get to a point where we're getting ready to start a season on time and there's still no vaccine it'll be an issue again. The gympie Hamill have to answer that. Question Mike. She says he will have to answer that question. If it's not safe for a professor your age to be on this campus. Why is it safe for you to be on this campus? And I asked Dr mccullers. I was like what's the alternative to just take stepping away from coaching for a year. He said well. You could try to coach with social distancing policies involved. And I'm like how does that. What does that even look like? And he said you never go in the locker room you speak to your players from a distance like you might sit like if you're practicing inside the Dean Smith Center. You might sit on the fifth row in coat from there and then during games you like sit in a luxury tax like I said. So you cannot envision a scenario where you would recommend. It's okay for Mike. Francesca to be in a huddle on the Bitch. He said absolutely not. I mean it's the real thing that's interesting and comparing basketball football football. The one advantage that has is that you could well big time. And a second is that you can actually accommodate head coaches. It's uncommon but coordinators. Do what they can just go up to their own coaching box and just opt to do it like that and you have telecommunications and football baseball basketball does it just doesn't work like that and not to mention. Gp The the travel schedules that that could be in play here as well. I mean there's just you know there's so much to figure out again. College basketball has the benefit that it's got the most pushed out start to season of any major American sport. Any the last sport that is on the assembly line to kick up again is college basketball. And that's until the second week of November so we'll wait and see there's a I mean there's just so much more that we have to Encounter in terms of Win Sports can start and under. What circumstances You Know College. Basketball's just give them the benefit of coming behind college football. We wait and see with all of that. I mean you know this has been an amplified talking in the past week or so with college football and Athletic Director saying we are hopeful we can. We plan to to get going on time. I mean I saw Colin Cowherd tweet on Tuesday night that he had people telling him that. Usc versus Alabama would not be happening this year. And then you've got both athletic directors having to publicly come out and say that's not the case we still are planning to play the game and you get into this dangerous position. Where if your college football you are trying. Obviously to to keep all appearances up that you're GONNA be able to play games because like colleges. We don't have to slip too far down. This rabbit hole g. p. like colleges rely on on their tuition on these people on campus. And and if you can't have people attended campuses in the fall then who's to say that these people are going to be like yeah? I'm not paying full tuition to learn at home for three to six months. That's just not going to happen. You got me at the tail end of the spring semester. I'm not paying my tuition to distance learning from August until December again. And so all again. All of this stuff is just so interconnected and interwoven even mark. You Got California you got California which is saying. We're not going to have now. The PAC twelve is responding to that mark. Emmer in a blast of absolutely gorgeous irony is coming out and saying listen on a state by state basis. This might have to be what needs to be decided here and yet that's not the case when it comes to the NFL stuff. It's unbelievable how all of these issues have found a way to interconnect with each other in light of the current advisor fire. So it's okay. If the instable a wants to go state by state in terms of what schools might be able to start. What might not and how competition might happen here or there. But if you want to enact and I'll stuff it can't be done on a state by state basis. I find that incredibly hypocritical and downright hilarious. Of course it's doable. Of course it's manageable But we'll wait and see with college basketball in regard to how can start with older coaches but you bring up a good point there Well ahead of the curve at that. Gp and one more note before kind of wrap up this Don't need to spend time on. We'll probably get into a later. But I also will just no more writing on the wall like July recruiting person. Evaluation is is basically done. It's not officially done but the NABC recommended it'd be done. The the lake canceled its college camps that they did last year for the first time. Those aren't going to happen so again. Just another inevitability another another thing with inevitability that's off the table and so with July recruiting. Now done the next thing for college basketball as it pertains to how it relates to the corona virus really does come down to okay. Do we think we're GONNA be able to start the season on time. And how will the schedules be affected? All of that stuff will come after we have answers with college football and we will not have answered with college football until we get to June at the earliest one. Last thing on the high risk coaches and then I'll make another general point. We'll move on but because I I'm assuming semis probably thinking this because I've been asked about on twitter like isn't they're going to be just testing testing testing testing for these student athletes on college campuses and so the high risk coaches could be safe because they're going to be tested every day. Well listen testings better than not testing anybody who tells you otherwise is not making sense but you know you can you can contract this virus and be carrying it and in its earliest stages it might still not show up on. A test is not a thing where the second you get the virus you you. It'll show up on a test. That's not necessarily true and also even if you're tested every day. Let's say you're tested at noon? You're you're clean at two o'clock you contract the virus but you're not tested until noon tomorrow right like like you've just carry the virus around for twenty two hours and you didn't know it and so the testing is good but all the testing will do say okay. You've got it now. You need to be isolated. The testing will not prevent you from getting it and it will not prevent you from spreading it so I guess my answer because I talked with the Dr about all of this and I've read enough about it to the testing is better than not testing. But will you know Duke Basketball's going to test day? Th that will protect Mike suggest not necessarily I it it would not prevent again what I just laid out a player being tested didn't contracting the virus and bringing it back to the locker room it's just. It's a complicated complicated deal and I will say on a larger college athletics thing. In general I do believe that college campuses for the most part are going to be open in the fall because the alternative is financially devastating. You know I I read a really interesting piece on this few weeks back and it was written by an Ivy League professor. Some school and the point the professor was making. Was You have to understand? Universities for the most part it's over simplification but basically it gets the point across universities. Get paid like you get paid Matt norlander. Every two weeks universities get paid twice a year fall semester spring semester. And if you miss one of those paydays it is crippling and so. I don't think it'll be necessarily the best public health thing to the best thing to do. In terms of public health to open up college campuses. But when you weigh the closing of college campuses against that. I think college campus. There's GonNa mostly be open is just going to be like we'll do our best but but we. We have to have students on campus because they just online learning. Like you're not gonNA charge the same for that. Kids will just take the semester off. I if my son were graduating high school right now. My my oldest son's a junior you'd be like let's just not go to college next fall one hundred percent I would say let's just take the year off like less than my problems are smaller than most people's problems but he goes to a prestigious private school and it costs a lot of money to send him there and if they're doing online classes again next year I'm like there was no paid that amount of money to have him sit at home all day long. But okay but here's alternative. What do I do like the entire reason? He's at that school is A. It's a great school. And he's he's he's smarter because of it but I need him to graduate from that school. I need that on his college resume like that changes his entire changes. Everything just I went to this school. Wow as opposed to I went to this goal. Okay whatever and so I got. I got to pay the money no matter what just because I need him to graduate from that school for the way that it looks so the people are these tough decisions all over America and they are tough decisions but I do believe college campuses will be open. I'll be honest with you. I am less optimistic that football's going to start on time that basketball's going to start time because when you start to think through it like how okay now. Let's start planning out. It's November ten champions classic okay. Four basketball teams are flying to Chicago. Okay we know there have failed to to to won't three could conceivably not and do because the only one that absolutely has to fly. I know what you're saying but yes. Yeah Yeah so okay now fans and then what what happens when like okay. What about the highest coaches? We've talked through that enough. What happens when two players at NC state test positive? Now what are we doing? I just I the my my goal every time I speak or write is to be right is to be correct. I would love to be wrong about this but I it's it's a little easier to envision the NBA coming back like you create a bubble. You play your games in that bubble major league baseball. It's a little easier to understand how it might work college athletics. I mean you've got college basketball. Players football players balancing around a college campus all day every day. And they're coming together and then they're traveling it. Just it's really. It's hard to see how that goes. I mean last. This is the most I mean. The biggest elephant in the room is that they are referred to in almost with Petri As student athletes okay. And so you can't have the not student part of this involved. Have the Games I mean. Then then you're just baldly giving up. This is what everyone realizes is that it is and so the incident lay in college is will protect them from that by saying. We're not GONNA have games unless we have campuses open and that students can come and be on campuses the way that that college athletes can be on campuses so You know there's a reckoning to be had there we are listen I like to believe and hope that we are able to have these conversations as real as pragmatists and maybe even with a little bit of of optimism in their our livelihoods depend on this. We want the Games back as soon as possible. Okay it is ruinous. If we don't have sports but we have to be smart about this and also have to bring in all elements of of what could happen here. So I I hope I hope that's the case but But we wait and see. You WanNa talk about Duke. Eilly ANSON. Somehow finding their way into the headlines area. Can't we got. We got a pandemic here and yet somehow scandal left and right. It was the mother's Day gift. Four ANTI FOR THE ANTI DO CROWDS. Williamson's name has been creating headlines. 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So even if you're not commuting anymore good at the gym you could still wake up with our crew downloads. Described the VIX PODCASTS. On Apple podcasts. Spotify stitcher and wherever else podcasts a foul so. Williamson's name has been in the news the past few days. I'll try to walk through the quick version. Is this ion signed a marketing deal with the women? Gina Ford and prime sports after his one season at Duke and then he decided f. this. I'm going so we sue GINA. Four to get out of the contract on what amounts to a technicality. And now she's counter suing him for one hundred million dollars in punitive damages and on Sunday documents surfaced showing that Gene Afford Attorneys are asking Zion to admit he and his family were basically getting money. Slash impermissible benefits from everybody to do everything from Adidas from Nike from people. Acting on behalf of Duke in it could in theory lead to on having to answer some really hard questions under oath but I can't imagine he's ever going to do that so the best I can tell. This looks like Jean. Afford just trying to put public pressure on Zaylon to settle out of court. That's what this is right. I think so when you get to the bare bones of this gene afford. Wants her damn money because she was able to get Zion to sign online and then ca came in took over the whole deal left in the wake. And what I what I cannot tell. Listeners is how viable this countersuit is. She was the one who was sued. I and now. She is counter suing and the the salacious questions which obviously capture the attention of a significant portion of college basketball fans who are aching have aching for decades for due to get body slammed by the instable a this is this is where they just the ice pop and say. Oh could this possibly lead to anything? Like for example. A couple of questions that are that are that have been asked as means a finding and not necessarily are allegations Sharon to Sampson. Williamson's mother Lee Anderson Stepfather quote demanded and received guests and economic benefits from persons acting on behalf of Duke University directly and or indirectly to influence Williamson to attend Duke University to play basketball. There's other ones that are similar to that I don't know where this can lead. If if listeners are looking for us to share our opinions on the realities of Williamson playing at Duke and the mechanisms of the system that went into that obviously this all ties into Kansas. By the way in that you know since we last podcast it The answer to belay sent are sent out. Its formal response to Kansas is response to the NOSSA allegations and that was a small little story on Saturday. But with all this because this is a deal is because during the trial. Obviously we had wiretaps and transcripts with Kansas System Kurtis Townsend talking with Adidas consultant moral code about the recruitment of Williamson. And you've got more telling Kurtis Townsend. I've talked with the family. They want money in the pocket. They WANNA living situation. They want employment opportunities. That's what they're looking for. If you're going to land this kid townsend who is going to be serving a suspension in my opinion because of what he is saying on the tape. Kansas is going to fight it I just think he's a suspension him is inevitable saying okay. Well I gotTa do what I gotTa do to try. And Somehow get this kid to to comply for US. Still going to recruit him. So that's how Williamson gets looped in on this. I wrote a column. The date happened that day in federal court. You can go search if you want. It's always been problematic for Duke because of that. Do I think that Mike Chef ski or his assistance. Were actually involved in any kind of no payments resign absolutely not I w because frankly that's that's down idiocy and when you consider the time line of when all this is happening it just it doesn't. It doesn't make a ton of sense here. What is true? Is that Williamson Picking Duke. This is something this has been a little bit. Lost a history Williamson. Picking Duke was a stunner and now after seen a play in the uniform become the Big Star in the sport in a in a single season in literally decades. It just makes sense but when he announced it almost. I think it was a Saturday. I remember because I was. I actually did not work that weekend. I was up in Vermont on a little ski excursion and I came back to my phone to some Texas saying basically signed to Duke. Oh my God I can't believe it. It wasn't that it was duke was like fourth or fifth down the list so there have been plenty of instances where high profile players have gone to schools. And it's been a surprise and we found out later I'll look at that eight and being one of them him. Picking Kansas was a complete shocker. So there's that there's also just things that tend to throw up red flags where the mother and the stepfather As they have every right to they were not overly accommodating in an informal sense to even deal with media whereas if you have a you know I'll just use one example here. How about a player going to Kansas. Gp Bryce Thompson is going to go to play Kansas next season. Five Star player and usually parents not even for matters of the record for stories. they'll get to know writers here. They'll they'll be willing to talk Because frankly why wouldn't you? I mean it's it's an amazing thing to have a young man That's considered good to play at one of the best schools. Why wouldn't you want Gosh about your own kid? it's not that Hist- Zion Stepfather and mother were completely unwilling to do that. They were just more gun. Shy if you will to me. That kind of behavior tends to throw up red flags. I don't even want to put myself in the presence of media people and so when you look back at all of this yes I do think that it is entirely likely that there could have been representatives attached to Nike. That could've been affording the Williamson family benefits after he turned pro. Or even before that last thing I will note. Is that Williamson played for Adidas on the grassroots circuit. He played for a stepfather's team and they were paid to do so. That is above board. It's the same exact thing that happened to us another Duke player the bag with Duke. You are allowed to accept compensation from apparel companies if you have your own kind of team. It's a way of kind of working around the system. So that's just kind of state. The obvious yes. The family did receive benefits from DIS. Zaylon was a prospect but that part of it particularly was aboard I have always assumed that Zaim Williamson Amateur Status was compromised in some way either by him or his mother or his stepfather and perhaps all three by the way. Like why would I always been sign? What Gina Ford? I'm assuming that was a deal done in advance of him leaving. Duke and then somebody said well what are you doing signing with Gina Ford Your Zion Williams and go to see ca so listen to me. This is impossible to get around if you are the do program or a Duke Fan. Let's just talk about what we know? And you laid it all out but I'll try to you know. Put it piece by piece. We know that an Adidas is representative was on the phone with a Kansas assisted saying listen to Dad's got his hand out he wants. Abc It's money in his pocket. Assistance says all right. You know. We'll do what we gotta do. So what does that? Establish it establishes that a blood program that regularly enrolls five-star prospects is willing to do a deal for Zion Williamson. That's what we know. That's what the wiretap tells us once you've established that that step dad wants to do a deal and there's blood program willing to do a deal. The enzyme ways didn't go to college for nothing all right I. I'll never believe that. So so so there's that do I agree with you. Do I think might Yankee dropped a bag off somewhere? Of course not. That's ridiculous images that is amazing but wouldn't it be? Would it be terrific? If Mike is Yankee was meeting Zion Stepdad in the parking lot of a hardware store dropping off a bag does league ever. People want a desperate. I'm just we'RE NOT KEEPING UP FOR COACH K. It's just not happening. That's not that's not how this is done. And with the exception of of Mark Godfrey kind of being a go between in a huge operation. It hasn't been how it's done for a long time. In fact we joke about on the PODCAST. Like the fact that Tim Floyd got in the middle of this with OJ Mayo. That's like the last time I actually really happen. It's hilarious because how stupid could you have been even then? And that's more than a decade ago continuing. I remember asking somebody who was close to him. Like what is he doing like meeting me? Nojeim deals guide on like I think he'll dale dry in like hanuman envelope with Alan Hotel. I think it was like Google Google it but it was like in somewhere somewhere. Nice he meets. Oj's guy once it was nba all star weekend or something and he's he's like dry drops envelope full of hundred dollar bills. And I'm like rolling down Rodeo with with with a bag not a shotgun and that's the right that's it's yes exactly so I'm like. Why would do that he goes? Here's why Tim would do that because Tim doesn't trust anybody in. Tim has always understood that if you just do it like he did it. You could always just say didn't happen and like okay. Now what how do you prove it? How do you prove someone handed you a thousand dollars one hundred dollar bills? Now be a little more complicated in two thousand twenty. You never know if you'll being secretly recorded whatever but in that time you could sort of get away with it. Even if that person turned on you you could just say it didn't happen and by the way that's exactly what happened. That dude went on the reason. We know that stories because I do went on like outside the lines and told his story. Tim. Floyd met me here and gave me this and it was this weekend and Tim. Floyd said no didn't happen and if you go back and look at the notice of allegations that wasn't that wasn't even in there because there was no way to no evidence of it and so it was just like that. That's why he did the deal that way but to our larger point. That's not the way. Most these deals get done. People have always wanted John. John John Kelly is paying players. I bet he's not You know I I I assume somebody is but I don't think John's coming out of his own pocket. I ain't saying he never did it. I don't know I vouch for nobody but in the year. Two Thousand Twenty Sixty one year old hall of fame coach John Calipari dropping off cash to somebody's uncle. There's just not the way these things get done so I don't know Mike. Francesca didn't fingerprints on this. Do I think it's possible even likely that might you was rick? Pitino like just something something while probably happening. I don't need to know about it. I don't know about it. I'M NOT GONNA ask any questions because if we think it's ridiculous for Rick Pitino to just go man. Brian Bo and just fell out of the sky. Well then we also have to think it's ridiculous that how does do come from nowhere to get Zaire on? You're exactly right when he committed. It was a Saturday and I remember it because it's the worst weekend for Clemson like they lost game you're right. One of their key. Players suffered a season ending injury and then Zion Duke. Everybody thought he was going to Clemson Duke at of nowhere. So what we know all of this. It's just too much. What is too much what they're like? Okay we thought you were going to Clemson. And by the way like we also know Clemson was. There was a clemson assistant coach. Yeah breaking rules in recruits pretended. He did not how to get design. Williamson's house when he drove with Brad run other because he had gone so many times which is really one of the all-time amazing anecdotes that came out of the trial that came out because he was caught on video at the COSMO in July. Twenty seventeen at the by the way just real quick to set the whole scene. That's happening on the same day that Zion Williamson is playing Lamelo Ball in the you know the biggest circus of a grassroots event that I've ever attended that most of attended aside from anything that might have been related. Lebron so it's just crazy to think back like like I remember is I am playing the game flooding the floor after and like kids going nuts over Zion and some other youtube dude. Who's got like four million? I got no idea who this kid is. But people are losing their minds at some Youtube Star. It was totally wild but yes the but the assistant who's now at Florida state. Just Kinda funnily telling the anecdote. In retrospect being like yeah I'm purposely taken the wrong left. Turn their I don't know where I'm going. It's the first time I've been here in reality like I can get there. If I close my eyes I know exactly where I'm going. Oh and he's also correct me if I'm wrong. He's like caught saying listen we can. We can get a deal done. We just got to do with football program. Basically intimated he intimated as much that yeah and that came out and then yeah. That was a whole whole deal. Yeah that was that was something else. Okay so we know a Blueblood was willing to do a deal it's called a wiretap that's Kansas. We know his in state school was willing to do a deal. I'm also talked about on a wiretap so like then he goes to for nothing like get out of here. Okay so listen I I think one way or another somebody pulls some strings broke some rules to get williamson enrolled at Duke. I do believe that That said I don't think this is what everybody wants to be. What everybody wants it to be is the thing that puts a stain on Mike? Success ski or or you know gets duke notice allegations and correct me if I'm wrong but there has been a whole lot of man what was going on. Was I on here. Man What was going on Zion. There has there ever been any evidence that there was an actual major violation committed. Oh of course not this. You're right this is not what people are. GonNa want it to be. I mean it's just it's it's it's not going to get to that point if anything if there is a need for a settlement maybe there will be one with nondisclosure agreements. Never GonNa even get to that point There could surely be depositions. But those depositions won't be they'll be sealed and I mean unless we ever got to a trial situation when they could be uncovered publicly and entered into evidence. Maybe I don't know this is this seems to be as much of a PR push in a jaded party which probably understandably so to a certain degree. I mean listen like you you had into some sort form of agreement Zion Williamson on the on the dotted line if you will and when that happens you have an athlete that that stands to be one of the most famous and lucrative athletes in American sports in the past three decades. You know so to lose out on that I can. I don't know all the details of why and win how it happened but I can. I can understand being really pissed at that And now you're just trying to find anything you can't after the fact to kind of To throw a skunk into the whole thing if you will so It's it's I get why people can be like you know I don't care signed Williamson Williamson's family got paid like they. Everyone should get paid. I get all that and people are more chasing Some schadenfreude with with Duke. You're just you're not gonna get it because that's not how this works could do in some ways be latched to this. I guess it's possible. Just you know a couple more anecdotes like when all of this happened. I DID REACH OUT TO DUKE. Multiple Times and was was told that two separate investigations were held in regard to this and and the incident looked around and nothing could be proven or nothing. Came about it with all that. So Duke is going to rely on on all those and And so I just. I don't see how this actually winds up going. I know this is going to be infuriating. The people that can't stand duke all that but I personally my prediction. Gp would that. This is not going to be something that goes somewhere where people want it to go at an NCWA level right. There are still to this. Day has never been a credible allegations backed by evidence against Zion or his fans. Right so listen. I've already explained. I think they were taken from. Who knows where I I? I'd I'd bet my entire 401k on it but this document on Sunday got a whole lot of attention and it also just wasn't what people think it was. It wasn't like we believes. In Williams this thing deny we believe Williamson? Did this thing denied. It was like admit that you didn't get money from admit that you've got money from here. Admit that you've got money for it would be like if I said a Matt norlander. I'm suing you and The admit that you beat your wife yesterday. It admit that you killed your neighbor last year. It meant that you stole a car. Sometimes it'd be like Jesus. What is Matt norlander up to? And it'd like I'M NOT GONNA admit to any of that stuff. I haven't done any of those things. That's all. This document was now. It could lead to him having to testify under oath and just trust me when I tell you. That ain't had because Though these questions these are these these these things that they would want to ask. Him are vague or appear to be vague He doesn't want to start answering questions under oath about any of this stuff. Duke doesn't want him answering questions under oath about any of this stuff. Nike doesn't want him Answering questions under oath about any of this up so I will tell you exactly how this is going to go down. Zion's lawyers are going to continue to fight to have the case the the the the case dismissed. They want it thrown out and if it ever gets to a point to where it's not thrown out and now he's being asked to sit for a deposition testify under oath they will. They'll pay and make this go away at some point. Okay here's five billion dollars leak leave me alone all right? Here's ten million dollars. Leave me alone. I don't WANNA say whatever the price is you pay it but if it's a few million dollars you just make this all go away. Then that's that is the smart thing to do. It's the smart thing for the brand of basketball so if you were hoping that this is going to bring down. I don't think there's a chance of that. Here's here's my prediction Zion Williamson are people connected Williamson. We'll pay to have this go away. They'll settle out of court and Duke will never notice allegations about it and life goes on life Life indeed does go on I'll be interested to see when she does this next me. Availability kind of behind the curtain. I requested an interview with him about a week and a half ago and was told No but we're going to do some sort of zoom media availability here in in the coming weeks we'll let you know It'll be interesting to see if that If that's still remains on schedule or not with him but But Hey it keeps interesting by the way a completely separate side. Can you hear the steamroller outside my house right now? I have not heard okay. I doubt this is getting picked up by by the microphone. But you mentioned like all the stuff you've been going through during During quarantine for the past four months they've been expanding the road. I I live on a busy road and near some school. So they've been expanding the road to like install stoplight and like literally. The steamroller is shaking the foundation of my house. Right now. There today is the day they are putting down the final level of blacktop. Out there as they expand the road from two lanes attorney lane all this kind of stuff so I just wanted to make sure that you couldn't quite Quite hear that. But it's been it's been surreal like waking up to Jackhammers. It's eight in the morning. It's just been a beautiful beautiful thing for the only thing I've heard it. Perhaps it's drowned out by my kids around in the backyard. That is what I know that happened earlier as well but I didn't say they were. Kids were one hundred percent about twenty five minutes ago screaming and I don't know if you could quite hear that in the distance but that was also that was also going down real quick on the Kansas thing. Gp that came out Friday. Just as kind of an odds and ends thing you know. It's a headline for a day. It wasn't anything too. Big basically was the incident coming back a Kansas. Saying you know you said we need to say we're going to retort here and there was a like an eighty two page document that Again lays out why the instability believes that Kansas is guilty of lacking oversight of his program lack of instrument trucial control if you will GP and going after self and going after towns in now. Kansas remains like doggedly against it will get interesting like the back and forth. This is definitely a tete-a-tete it. There's no doubt about it. In terms of how vigorously Kansas is gonNA fight and two largest Dan from a practical standpoint? Let's just think logically the kind of case that that the incidentally could have here what did you make of that and do you have for the benefit of our listenership here like we don't know when a committee on fractions meetings going to happen Do you have any sort of sense on on? What should be an expectation with time their considering that maybe corona virus again even delay this even more into next? Yeah I think the virus complicates everything when it comes to trying to predict the timeline line for anything like these committee on infractions. Hearings are obviously typically done in person you know. Is this something we're really going to handle zoom call? Gp It's not that they can't do it they just never do it that way. And when you have those interrogation from the committee on infractions with self for with Townsend or anyone else obviously the dynamic of being in the same room someone else is so much more beneficial to the processed in like you and I when we podcast person like these are great. Don't get me wrong but when we podcast in person we just always feel better about it because there's going to be said about being face to face with someone so my expectation would be that they're going to try somehow some way to do it in person but that might end up delaying it. Four weeks six weeks eight weeks right so I was surprised by the reaction to this. I started getting like tweets from readers or listeners or whomever and they were like oh so. You're just not going to say anything about this. Kansas Situation I'm like well. What what what's new like from my perspective. Here's what's happened. The incident has noticed allegations. They said Kansas. You really were cheating and then Kansas responded and said you know what we weren't really cheating and then the way responded as do think you were cheating and that's that's the only thing like what's new here. You did all the reporting on it. You tell me like what's the big. What is the big development from last Friday? They're not not a lot unless you are trying to keep up with the language of the of the allegations and what Kansas saying versus what the instability saying. There's not a ton there it's just. It's the next formal step and now we just wait to hear when there might be a CEO. I hearing don't go that way the AARP review but remember again every time we talk about one of these NC state was first and then. Kansas came after Louisville's even after that like the part talked about right now with Kansas. Were months away from getting to that part with Louisville there. So it's it's one after another after another and we haven't even got to the point where Arizona Lsu have received and always period yet. So it's it's I understand for for somebody might be hard to keep track with all of this stuff. It was a headline for a day. And it's it's not insignificant. It was just. It was the formal the official. Like okay this is what this is what you say. This is what we say. Completely at odds. And we'll wait and see to me the biggest thing about all this is that we don't know the date of the hearing and whether or not the season gets postponed or not whether that affects any potential suspensions for self-rule talented. And that's where it actually has an impact if there's a postseason ban like would it be for next season. When can that land all these things are kind of tied to all that? So that's I think the biggest takeaway there and then we wait for whatever school might come next. Yeah people asking. So what do you have to say about Kansas? Same thing I've said from the jump I think cheated. I think they got caught and I think they're going to be punished severely change. I don't see how the how how they're going to beat this. Like I understand the motivation to fight. Fight fight when you think and I emphasize the word thing but I promise you the people. Kansas think that Duke has been benefiting from Nike and Kentucky's benefited from Nike. So why is it so yes sure we benefited from Adidas? But like WH WHY? Are we any different? You're not you but you got called you got called and I just don't know how they beat this and it's funny in these documents that you've got all these Kansas administrators like talking about Tj gas like. He's a scumbag right. There like This guy was obviously. You know scumbag. They're PR- they're trying to paint it out like he was out on his own doing his thing. And we you know. We didn't have anything to do with it right which is which is laughable. Whatever but the argument setting up this thing where TJ Gas Nola. Everybody knew he was a scumbag and everybody knew he was a problem. And Okay then. Why are you doing anything about it? I mean that's the first question in the Committee for considering all of you sitting here are telling us. Tj Gas. Nola was the worst person on the war on a walking in violation will. Why is he with your head coach all of the time? Why is he around your team all of the time? Why didn't anybody step in and and break that up in? The answer is obvious because they didn't want to do because they were getting from. Tj exactly what they wanted from TJ. And I'm assuming just like everybody else who's been involved in these things like. There's really no precedent for a shoe company employees. Getting a school in trouble. I shouldn't say there's no precedent I don't I'm not a historian but like it is sort of. We talked about this for it. It was sort of accepted behavior within the sport. Like listen indeed is going to do what Adidas does under armor is GonNa do it under armor does not he's going to do. Nike does and like everybody gets what they get in. So if you're Kansas you're like well if if Kentucky's not get in trouble with Nike and Maryland's not getting in trouble with under armour. Then why are we GONNA get in trouble with the IRS? Well here we are. But that's I can totally understand how they all rationalized it in the moment. I just don't understand how you beat it once. You've been accused of it in a formal way by the incident. I don't either I I. This is the kind of thing that'll probably infuriate. Kansas fans particularly on the hills of what we talked about with with Duke. Tj Work for a decent. If you told me that in some ways he helped Zion situation when he was playing for on the on the grassroots circuit like. That wouldn't would not stunned me whatsoever. So yeah so that was. That was the latest with that I have to. Do you have any thoughts thoughts? I had to quickies to wrap up the park. Nothing too big. But I had to congratulate you on on something and then provide a quick note on something else. I will accept my congratulations okay. Yeah congratulations For Josh Parish. Who I believe. Is your half brother. Correct Josh Parish announced that he has committed to play at the University of San Diego. This came on Tuesday. Have you seen? Have you seen the tweet? Do you have anything to say about you about your brother? Josh Peterson and his decision. Continuous College career two things. Hey I am not related to Josh. Perish and be. I honestly don't even know what you're doing. Well I just sent you a text with with with the grab of the of the tweet announcement there so wanNA give it. Give it a look. There Josh Perish. Got A Michael carter-williams Marcus. Raskin going on there but I noticed this happened so my cousin. Josh you go Josh Perish Josh. Perish about to get a Lotta love for the Toreros in the coming in the coming season chefs to you. Josh Pairs and then I did want to. I wanted to give. We've kind of gotten a little bit away from some of the reader reviews and questions and maybe we can fill up some time. The off season Do an episode or something with all that but I did want to give a shout to cat who Who sent me a note? It was it was very nice and she mentioned in this. So I'm just going to read this real quick here because we talked about what ings on the previous podcast with you in Jamaica. Unlike and stuff so she. She said speaking of weddings going not going the way you imagine like many others at this time. My husband and is wedding was disrupted by the pandemic. We're both huge college basketball. Fans and we purposely scheduled are April ceremony for the weekend after the tournament just in case our beloved Wa whose Virginia went for the repeat will three weeks out. We decided to cut the ceremony ceremony down to a handful of people in my husband parents backyard and streaming on zoom for everyone else. My mom wasn't even there which was very hard. It was not at all what we envisioned a year ago. But it's still turned out amazing and a year from now. We're doing a vow renewal ceremony with everyone there for what will be one. Heck of a party consider this yours and Gary's invitation Xi Tash the photo of her husband wearing. I don't know what this is serious or joke. A gas mask as they make their first kiss. This is powerful says stuff. He's he's wearing a gas mask that is picked up at a garage sale. Oh by the way his dad's name is Gerry. So Perez and good company hair. Thanks so much for what you guys do. We've loved listening through all the craziness and we to support premarital sex. Sorry mom so there you go there you go to that I thought it was a very nice message. I just discovered it in my inbox. I St- told cat I try and give her a shot on the next pod Her and her husband are big listeners. Virginia fans and So there's another gary out there and another fan premarital sex which is always seems to come back to on his podcast remember when the the worst things. We were dealing with zero star reviews from people who didn't endorse premarital sex. The way I did those were the days man. Those were the days what happened. What we're going. Everything's going along. Pretty good it was. It was going along so well. Now look at us now. We look at us. Look what we found down? Look at us and to make a video yes today for I don't know some. Cbs sports social thing. Couldn't congratulating graduates Like everybody's just missing out on big big moments. I mean the the big important thing is that people are dying and losing their jobs. I got it but like high school students. Like just imagine you were high school baseball player and it's just like you never get to have your senior year exactly. That's that's not a small things you know I would have been like. I wouldn't even that good but like I would have been if you told me. Hey you're getting ready for your senior year of High School Baseball Season. And then it's just like Oh. Yeah you're you'll never play and you'll never play again. That's rob know. Kids are not having their graduation. Wedding's being postponed or done in ways nobody could have envisioned. It's just such a you know again. Always try to remind myself like. I'm I'm better than most. I understand that I don't take it for granted but it just this is just a shitty way of man. It's just an awful way to live. I'll I'll wrap this and then we can. We can get on going here but so on Mother's Day and happy belated mother's Day to all the mothers who listened to the pod shouts to you Shafts the DEV DOWN MOTHER. Of course we We haven't really. We've done some take out here and they're not a ton but have bought gift cards and stuff like that. But I told my wife I was like listen if you want. Let's just let's have like a nice like Botchy takeout order for for Mother's Day. If you want that would be amazing I I'm actually really craving that. So we happen to have a place that's About a mile from where we live and it's in It's in a plaza if you will with a bunch of other stuff there Some it which is an open and and some of it which Which is here and there like. There's a liquor store and they're in a starbucks a diner and a bank and another restaurant. Etcetera Etcetera. So anyway I pull in and it's like Sunday what I guess you'd call it Sunday at six o'clock and I saw a scene that I had not really seen since I was in high school and I don't know if you did this. Remember when we were in high school and it was just a different time altogether like just the nineties a different universe. Okay and this behavior problems even bigger in the eighties. I pull in and with everything closed and presumably like responsible parents in Connecticut saying no. You can't fight over onto your friends to our house. That's just not going to happen. I pull into the parking lot and I see like thirteen kids. Just standing around outside their cars just talking like being like f all this. I'm like I haven't seen high school age kids age just loitering in parking lot. That was straight out of another decade man like it was. It was bizarre. I was like you know what good for. You guys do what you got. You can't go anywhere. This is how it used to be at least get the benefits of a phone and social media and all this stuff. This is what this is what people did in one thousand nine hundred ninety to pass the time. They literally went into parking lots and just hung out there for three hours so that was an individual. That was our thing like hanging out in the TACO bell. Parking lot no doubt and then somebody somebody would come from the sonic parking lot. And then there'd be this fight fast forward twenty years and kids like just sort of play on their phones an nor each other and now or snapchat we used to go to Taco bell fight. Yes well now. They're so stir-crazy like all right because you can't the park near where I live. They're not even. You can't even go there so it's just like all right. Just go to parking lot of guests and do what we gotta do. They're so bored with even their phones. I guess that that. Find the silver linings. I guess by the way I I just bought my my little dudes a basketball goal because do by the way. I'm I'm actually. I'm Mike Deep. Thank you for saying that because I wanted to bring this up on the previous podcast. If I've asked a couple of coaches give me a few recommendations as well but if anyone listening has done the whole wants to put a hoop in the ground. I don't want the one refill it up I wanNA legit hoop so if anyone is done it and has a recommendation or any tips. Please let me know because I'm about I'm about ready. Plus my boys are young. So they're not quite ready for it but but you don't hoop and the driver would be great so if you have a tip feel free to find me and let me go ahead you. There's just there's so many hours in the day like the people always say life is life is short and it is. I get that but days are long. Life is short but days are long. And there's not. There's too many hours in the day and so they just get like we got the little sort of like toy basketball goal that your two year old messes around with and they've been playing on that for like hours at a time and I'm just going to buy them an actual basketball goal and I mean there's no calls it a basketball goal it's a hoop like what are we doing here. I caught a basketball. And what we're GONNA get a basketball go. Put it right. That's not all right. Hold on real time right now. People are going to have seen the tweet and realize why tweeted this unprompted. And it's it's a basketball hoop by the way. Not a lot of people really. Gp You talked about the day. A lot of people don't realize that you have to get sixty teams into the tournament. Except when you don't And there are actually twenty four hours in the day. The A lot of people don't understand that there are twenty four hours in the day and even if you sleep eight hours that lease for kids. Sixteen hours of being awake at home right now. That's their existence with no school and no France and so we ended up ipads movies digging. They like to dig. They've created a little place in the backyard they dig they like to dig holes in whatever and so some of that and then Yeah they've been a lot of baseball. We've been playing catch and even hitting with a balls and yeah if a basket if a basketball goal will pass some of this time then. It's an investment. I'm about to make. I put the to put the twitter poll up. I'm setting the over. I said what do you call it and I gave was a basketball hoop or basketball goal. I'm setting the over under at people saying Basketball Hoop at ninety percent. I think I think that in the minority basketball mill. What early early returns are not good? It's ninety three percent basketball. Well we'll we`ll. I thought you would who you would you would find a basketball hoop well. You can but no one says. Let's go find a basketball goal. That's nobody says that you know got some quirks about you that or discovering slowly but surely it's let's go to Amazon and see what happens basketball basketball deem it. The first automobile is basketball. Yes that's what it is. You're on a basketball podcast right now but but but if you Google basketball goal basketball hoops pop up. But I'd listen. Listen I told you earlier. Every time I speak or write I WANNA be right. Well I think I'm wrong here. I think I think you're actually doing okay right now. Listen we're early early ninety votes in and I'm down to seventy eight point seven percent so it's actually it's coming. It's coming back if you look at the selling basketball hoop on Amazon. It is the silverback sixty inch in ground basketball hoop. That's what it's called you go. Well I WANNA I WANNA get nonetheless so world people. I tweeted this without any sort of context here so people might be thinking like. What are you doing you idiot basketball? It's not my term. 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With the second trial over, and more guilty verdicts delivered, which schools were hurt the most -- and what will the NCAA do now?

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39:20 min | 1 year ago

With the second trial over, and more guilty verdicts delivered, which schools were hurt the most -- and what will the NCAA do now?

"Hey listeners. Welcome back to the CBS sports college basketball podcast GPA, and I'll get going with the hoops talk in just a minute. But first reminder at the PGA championship, which starts on may sixteenth. And we'll be aired on CBS that weekend. You can find coverage, of course, CBS four dot com on the CBS sports app and at sportsline dot com. Sports lines model has nailed four majors entering the weekend. It was also all over Tiger Woods deep run last year at the PGA championship. Even though he was just a twenty five to one longshot, then visit sportsline dot com and click on PGA championship to see our picks for this year's major starts on Thursday may sixteenth. And you wanna use the promo code swing to get your first month picks for only one dollar. There. It's scary. It's Thursday may nine two thousand nine hundred welcome back to the CBS sports. I college basketball podcast, but we sometimes discuss Campbell fighting and leaky black Matt norlander, it's here and as of yesterday as of Wednesday federal trials connected to the sport. College basketball. They're done. Christian doctrines was found guilty of bribery and conspiracy to commit bribery, Merle code was found guilty of conspiracy to commit bribery. So that's that even though back in September two thousand seventeen after ten people connected. The sport were arrested, and the when the acting US attorney for the southern district of New York, June Kim, even though he said, he had dirty coaches play books and strongly suggested more arrests were on the way and presented himself as somebody set to wreck. College basketball the truth is that it never really happened. There were never any additional rest only one head coach Rick Pitino lost his job because of any of this. The instability will do something eventually, but probably not anytime soon. And obviously the incident play doesn't have hiring and firing power. Simply put it feels like the government over promised and under delivered. That's my position at least norlander what say you. Well, I like your line there. What I wanted to ask you because Paris has a column worth reading obviously, go to CBS sports dot contract. CBS sports app. We both wrote columns on it parishes deals with the government side of all this and kind of the big picture, I touch on more the installation, which we'll get there. But use that over promise and under deliver DIGI us that knowing that book Richardson was caught on tape saying the opposite phrase that he would under promise and over deliver. I'd I did not think of that. I didn't recall that that bit of transcript a bit of the transcript when I was riding. But I do I remember it. Well, that is a fortunate coincidence there, but I largely do agree with you on that point. There are there are a couple of ways we can turf with this. I mean, the government did get guilty pleas or verdicts with nine of the ten that were charged in the case. The only one that didn't apply was Brad Augustine? The grassroots director of team out of a Florida, and he has an interesting size or and all this. We won't you on the podcast. But the only reason why he didn't get one. Was he proved that the money that he was given which happened in Vegas, by the way, he pocketed? He didn't give the money to any players at their families, or coaches or teams. So you couldn't pinch him for bribery. So he was the only one that didn't have anything attached to them that we're of the initial charges. But otherwise, I mean the government did. Pinch everyone else one way or the other the last one that actually happens was Rashawn Michelle in court on Thursday. He pleaded guilty. He would have been part of the third trial dealing with Chuck Person who pleaded guilty a few weeks back but not doing. So we avoid a third trial altogether. We avoid Auburn, and Bruce Pearl having any sort of quasi Shawn Miller moment perish, we won't get that. But I do agree with you the tone, the tenor of the press conference from September twenty six two thousand seventeen was it was it was boastful, obviously, completely sideswipe college basketball, and it stoked a lot of conversation is speculation as to what could becoming what more might happen. A lot came out of this. And then we'll get out in this podcast. But if your general point is that. The things that were alluded to promise suggested. Now, as we sit with a second trial finished, some of the the overarching things there those fell short. I would agree with you. While also acknowledging the government got it's wins nine of the ten how obviously guilty pleas connected to them. So now, the ten we'll spend time behind bars they got their wins on the people that were initially arrested. But the people who were initially rested just do not matter to the sport. I mean when Jim Kim is standing in front of a bunch of television cameras talking about. If you're a dirty coach, or you know, I'm paraphrasing here, but if you've been operating in this manner, you should call us. It's better for you to call us than for us to call you. And it's like, oh, boy low where is this going, and then they didn't call anybody. Like, they they got not like nothing happened. So they got they got some low level largely irrelevant people that don't impact the sport of college basketball in any real way, they got them. But we look up nearly two years later. After there were reports. Like, you know, dozens of coaches are going to be brought into this half. The power five is going to be you know, in trouble and the truth is, I know that LSU may be punished by the incident someday in Arizona, and Kansas and Louisville and so on and so forth. But as I stated at this moment, the only head coach who has lost his job is Rick Pitino who by the way was not charged with a crime didn't have an assistant charge with crime and still to this day sits in grease without a single bit of evidence. Either on wiretap Email anything that actually ties him to rules violations at Louisville. In fact, one of the more interesting quotes that came out of his trial is Christian doctrines being recorded saying Rick Pitino might really be the only guy in the country that doesn't know what's going on with program. But that's the only guy that's paid a significant prize, Shaun Miller's reputation is undeniably been ding. We'll Wade's reputation has been damaged Bill self reputation has been damaged, but they're still all making big big direct deposits every two weeks and still running, you know, power five basketball programs. They are and stuff. You just said is true. This. I do think that what has happened here. Even though that what the government sought out to do. I think you know, beyond the initial arrests likely fell short of that other. There was I wasn't court when the verdict came in on Wednesday, but tracking the the few that were still there. And in fact, when it was Rashawn Michelle, I actually believe on Tuesday when this was said when he entered his guilty plea there is, you know, light language, indicating that the government isn't necessarily done with this like it's just because the stuff is finished doesn't mean that will never potentially see something like this happen again that could also just be a way of saying like don't even think about trying this because you know, are in ten is still up for this. I don't know. We'll see I don't I don't know parachute. We're going to get something like this ever again. But I I do think that it is a it is nonetheless, a significant chapter in the history of college athletics. This you know, it might there's a lot of stuff that people will throw against. President Mark Emmer and why he hasn't been good as his job and why he shouldn't even have his job at this point. But I think that this in his response to it. However, you interpret the responser think of that it was a guided or misguided appropriate or inappropriate, I think this is one of the two or three biggest things I will ever be attached to his tenure, and you know, in the story of of college basketball in America over the past, you know, eighty ninety one hundred years, I do think that there's still registered as a fairly significant story because the very structure of how the sport is recruited was greatly altered. Those those changes are still undergoing we'll see the fruits of those changes. And I don't say that in kind way in the way that the sport we recruited this this summer new stuff a lot of people that have a lot of issues with with the rice commission suggested. So there was there was a lot of a big mess that was made of all this a lot of which still has to be cleaned up. So, you know, I don't want to say what the government did didn't matter. I know you wrote that it was kind of a waste of time. I don't know if I totally agree with that. Because it did one for a ton of interest to the sport good bad or otherwise. And it did. I think rejuvenate a conversation about what actually is happening or has happened long happened with many different schools and characters inside and outside of college basketball. And I think the advancement of that conversation is ultimately a good thing. I mean, I guess, but you know, I just. I guess I'm I'm comparing it I'm comparing what actually happened to what seem to be on the verge of happening when all of this I broke and when I say, it's a waste of time. I don't mean that like what a waste of my time. It gave us content to write about and talk about and helped us fill our days particularly in the off season. But you just go back to that press conference in September two thousand seventeen when it was over. If I would have told you then okay now, let's fast forward to may two thousand nine hundred norlander. Here's what's going to happen. Nine of the ten men who were arrested today, they will either be convicted of federal crimes via trial or they'll just plead guilty. And yes, those men are going to serve largely are going to serve time in federal prison. And that's that. Oh in Rick Pitino. We'll get fired. So that would have been like, whoa. Really? So. Rip Tina, we'll get fired, but nobody else's. No other head coach is going to get fired. It's largely going to be, you know, a no name assistant here and no name assistant there. But that's it. It may two thousand nine hundred and this will all be over from a criminal perspective and the only head coach to actually pay a price, and that price be his with his job is going to be Rick Pitino unison that doesn't sound like what they were just talking about you agree with that. Right. I do agree with that. I think there's more nuance there. But taking the words as you just said, and as fact as they were then I would definitely agree with that. Right. So let me ask you this now that and I suppose evidence that was not presented in the trial could still leak to the media if you know somebody wants to leak it, right? But everything that's going to come out in court. It's out like if. What we have on the table is what is probably going to remain on the table. And in nothing more or very little in addition. So let me ask you this based on everything that came out either in this trial, or the first trial and all the reporting that's been done in the past couple of years. What program do you think took the biggest hit or will ultimately take the biggest hit? Arizona. But I don't know if it's I don't know if they are thirty links ahead in that race because if you and I almost tried to do this. But my kids are just didn't allow me to do this this morning. I was going to try and get a list of all the schools that in my opinion would have some reason to have a little bit of anxiety or a lot of anxiety or or downright. Panic about what could becoming with the answer to Belay. It's a long list. I mean, it it's more than twenty that. I that. I believe the NCW has a responsibility to do its diligence, and at least look around there. There are varying programs with varying alleged violations or proven violations that that we saw in Evanston in either of these cases, but I think Arizona is at the top. I think Kansas. I don't care that a jury found the first year in this case found that that gadoe and Dawkins and code defrauded, Kansas I really want to believe that investigators with the instability GP are not going to be that up to and understand the realities of what was happening there. I think Kansas is still potentially in some trouble there. No reason to believe that Ilisu is not is not there as well. And you have other fascinating situations though, you have Louisville which had violations when it was already on probation. But. The entire staff is gone. The athletic director is gone. There were major changes that were made within the infrastructure of that university's athletic department. How is the instability going to reconcile what it's going to do with that? Because it did fire Rick Pitino as you noted there. But at the same time are they gonna say, well, we're going to say, that's that's that's good enough. And we don't have to punish Louisville anymore. Even though it had two different assistance. Bill Jordan fair, and Kenny Jonsson, we're caught acting outside of NCWA rules between both trials and evidence. That was put forth is going to get off Scot cleaner. Well, the answer to say, you know, what it was it doesn't matter that we have a new staff there. Chris Mack, and his assistance and the and the director Vince Tyra that's there. They took those jobs knowing that this potentially could happen. And here's what we might lay down. I think the Louisville situations very fascinating and even stuff like NC state where you had former assistant helping facilitate tens of thousands of dollars a payments to Dennis Smith junior. Mark off reformer coach those guys aren't there anymore. So how do you punish NC state? Are plenty of more. Preston Murphy, still Creighton, he has his employment status hasn't been determined. As of yet. How will they come down on him down on Jamie Dixon's TCU program? Corey Barker said some stuff that was not. Not good at all on these tapes lasting before toss over you g-. So there's a lot airlines instrument question. But I also am curious to know what the instantly can get what it will get because it's it will have all the transcripts from these trials and before the podcast out. I just wanna talk real quick later. Just real quick about Docklands being on the stand because I thought that offered up some very interesting stuff from Nintendo play perspective with us investigations. But it what we does not have in those transcripts is a lot of those videos of the assistant coaches at the Las Vegas hotel meeting at the cosmopolitan at the end of July two thousand seventeen is the incidentally, going to be able to get those videos. It will request them will the government granted to have those videos. We'll be able to get this hands on those videos one way or the other because I will say seeing them versus not seeing them. I think could have real impact on what the investigations can bear. And what it can what it can bring out. I think that's that's a big lingering question with what the instantly cannon. We'll do going forward. I think your answer to the question what program has been damaged most by this scandal. Is Aaron Jones, and I'll get to that in just a second. But to your point about Louisville. I think you gotta punish level. I mean, historically, you know, you just because the people are no longer employed by a school doesn't mean that, you know, the the school is not punish people have sometimes argued that it's unfair because you're punishing coach coaching staff and players who literally had nothing to do with what happened. But I mean, there's video evidence of a level assistant being aware of deal to get Brian Bowen done to Louisville like a wild Louisville was on probation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you know, there's conversations about listen, we're all we're like on probation. So we got to be real careful with it. I don't know how the incident I can just let that go. It wouldn't follow the way the instability normally handles things, otherwise the play buck in college athletics would be pretty simple. Hey, guys. Go out cheat. Do whatever you have to do. And if you get caught them. Yeah, you will fire. You you probably won't get caught. But if you do get caught fire you that way, our university will never be punished by the instablity forever. And always just can't work like that. So I'm not saying it's fair or right? But I do think the intimates gotta punish Louisville. There's undeniable proof that Louisville in conjunction with Adidas bought bought a player like you just cannot allow that to go without punishment, particularly when the school on probation to AirAsia. It's it's wild to me. Like, Arizona fans were celebrating on social media last night. Like yesterday was a good day for them because Christian dock ins told reporters afterwards that the reported conversation the conversation Mark sleeve Audie peon reported. You know toward the end of two seasons ago when Shawn Miller was held out of a game just one game. But it was the de'andre eight and season. That was all connected to Mark schlabach reporting that Shawn Miller was on a wiretap discussing pay for play scheme involving the Andrea eight and with Christian doctrines and Christian Dawkins confirmed yesterday, what a lot of people thought very shortly after that report was published which is. That conversation as it was presented just did not happen and Christian can said yesterday. I never talked to Shawn Miller about, you know, a buying Andrea eight, and I didn't have anything to do with the Andrea Aden's recruitment. I had nothing to do with that that conversation did not happen. So it looks like the reporting was just off there. And I say that as a friend of Archie ball. He's a very good journalist who's had incredible career. But he looks like he got that one wrong, by the way. I don't know why Zona fans are so quick to believe Chris dockings ear isn't that kind of Larry and like they fit like a mutt. Explaining to me over and over again. But you can't believe anything Christian talk and says now you guys believe in sell you believe now because he says something that runs in your favor. So now, you can take Christian doc in that his work. But when he says this other stuff, then he's just a liar. Like pick aside. I don't care if you wanna believe Christian docking done, but you can't believe the stuff you wanna believe. And then just not believe the stuff. You don't want to believe that? Makes you makes you maniacs. So beyond that, so Christian talk and said that I never talked to Shawn Miller about buying the Andrea, and I wasn't involved in that deal. Okay. Fine. I'll take him in as how about this. I'll be consistent. I believe in. How believe that a believe him when he says that, but this is to me was the way more interesting thing. Yes yesterday. So as you know, because I believe you were in the courtroom for it on Friday Christian was asked twice did Shawn Miller. No while he was on the stand did Shawn Miller. No that airs on players to being paid and both times the government of Jekyll and both times those objections were sustained so he never had an opportunity to answer that question on the stand. So yesterday after the the, you know, he's convicted but standing out in front of the courtroom or in front of the courthouse. He he's asked if you would have been allowed to answer that question. How would you have answered it? And his response was this, quote, I'm not going to answer that because this is the thing. I don't see nothing wrong with it. So I'm not going to throw nobody under the bus for something that I agree with and as I point out like if the answer to that question is Shawn Miller didn't know Arizona plays. We're getting paid. Did you just say Shawn Miller didn't know Arezzo players. We're getting paid you don't refuse to answer and win explaining while. You're refusing to answer you say, it's because I don't wanna throw anybody under a bus like doc and said he wouldn't answer the question yesterday because he didn't want to quote throw nobody under a bus, and because he sees quote nothing wrong with paying players and because he doesn't want biller to quote loses his job. In other words, if I answered this question, you just asked me, honestly, Sean Miller might lose his job. And I don't want John Miller to lose his job. And however Zona fans can take that bit of information and convince themselves yesterday was a good day for Arizona is something I cannot wrap my mind around. Yeah. Lot of interesting stuff there with dockings, and we can we can steer right into this. The non answer answer is damning because he could as you say he could have easily lied truth. Otherwise, if you wanted to say, and he could have said because gore Adams a Gloria who is to a string here for for Tucson dot com in the Daily Star. Was there just about every day in the courtroom? He was able to get dockings to talk which was a little bit of surprise me. I'm glad to see it because Dhaka's did not talk after the first trial when he was found guilty. We'll also note that dock ins was found guilty on two of six counts. Moral code on only one of four now as Stephanie told reporters afterward Dawkins had plenty of opportunities in the trial. When he was on the stand to. Berry coaches dockings does not want to be a rat. Though. I I'm of the belief that when he was under direct examination from Haney. And even though it's called cross examination, but it was through Mark more moral codes attorney, so it's they're still playing on the same side. But whenever you're not being questioned by your actual attorneys across examination, technically dockings us any as any witness that was a affectively coach through that stuff. He knew what questions were coming. But Haney said he could have he could have thrown any any number of coaches under the bus. He chose not to do it in testimony. He chose the same thing afterward again, by the way, and I'll get right back maybe paying these should have acknowledged this pretrial because pre-trial he was talking about we're gonna pull the curtains back college basketball. Will your client? Now, you're saying your client didn't want to do it. You didn't know that before the trial started. You didn't pulling curtains back. You really didn't do anything. I'd say I'd say the curtains were ruffled, I don't think that they were pulled back. Would you agree? They they I guess they were ruffled. But it was it was far short of you know, I'm going to get every coach in America that I can get in that courtroom in that courtroom. We're gonna pull the curtains back on these dirty recruiters. Did you do that again over promise under delivered? Yeah. For sure. You're not you're not incorrect about that. At all. Now win talking's was on the stand in the courtroom. And I was this happened. After our our last podcast. I'll say it was. It was compelling. The cross examination from the prosecution was extremely compelling dockings put forth great argument. I actually think quick aside perish. I think that him testifying. Actually, this is why he didn't have more guilty pleas. Put on them. We talked before what we thought guilty. Not guilty would happen. I considered the potential for some Debbie not guilty with some of the stag on them. But it's kinda why. Haney felt like this was something of a victory Esther. Yes. There were convictions. The government got it's convictions. But Dawkins and code through their defense teams in Doncaster his testimony was able to to really lay out to the jury. Why schools were complicit in this and why some of the fraud charges that were labeled against him in this trial. Didn't stick the way they were in the first trial. Now, circling back to what you were talking about wins. The Goria asks him what dockings would have said on the stand. I wanna just briefly re to you what more red to dockings on the stand when he was doing this. Okay. He said. You didn't pay the head coach at dime. Referring to Miller. Doc ins replied, never okay because the head coach was a friend of yours. Correct. Dockings answers. We had a pretty good relationship. Yes. Okay. And I know you may not want to say this. And as Mark Morris saying this he is saying it's slowly. Okay. It's when you actually are in the courtroom and understand the way the questions being posed as supposed to reading a transcript, it's like, hey Christian. This is the part we talked about I'm gonna say this question slowly does. And I know you may not want to say this. But you knew the head coach was paying players themselves. Right. The prosecution of the court sustains, and then they continue talking about the wiretap the wiretap between dachshunds and Richardson when they were talking about Miller allegedly knowing and paying players dockings confirms that the conversation happened in on that conversation. They were talking about them playing players, and then they got to discussing what was happening with Miller. Mr Miller Arizona, he knew what was going on. Correct objection. Sustain dockings never answers. Question. It's not on the transcripts of then Goria ask dockings. What would you have said? And that's when Dawkins he could have very he said, you know, what if I'd answered I would have said, no, Shawn Miller didn't know what was going on. Or I can say that. Now, he opts not to say that which to me the non answer answer is is is damning toward Miller again, it is not proof. But if you're going to believe talk and says one thing literally within seconds, if not minutes of of another question when he says, I never had a conversation with Shawn Miller about delivering him de'andre atan. You know, it makes it makes for quotes that are fascinating. He's never by the way, Dawkins is never going to talk to the answer lay. Like the answer. They will wanna talk to him. I see no reason why he has any motivation or impetus to do. So. But to me lasting parasol toss. It back to you. When I think back to what he testified to. In how good of a witness? He was what he told the Goria. It feels like dockings was trying to straddle not being a rat. He's friends or was friends with book Richardson. So he's trying he's trying to defend his friend book Richardson as much as he can and not outright completely Tauch on Miller on the bus. And yet he kinda still does that overall. I don't know if Dawkins went all the way to say that he didn't have a conversation with Shawn Miller about John eight and ever he just said I was never involved with the Andrei Eytan, and that's correction Miller said that who knows if there was an actual conversation that happened after eight and got to campus where they talked about Deandra eight Miller dockers that specific angle hasn't been quite touched on. But but yeah, Dawkins gave us plenty of think about and instability. Investigators even more to consider what the quotes he gave to Adams gory on Wednesday. It sounded to me like Christian Dawkins is a guy who wants. People to understand how these things are happening, and what is going on. But he doesn't want to come at the expense of him directly ratting out somebody at the very least to us to consider a friend. I mean, he's he's he actually said that I don't want Shawn Miller to lose his job. The reason I'm not going to answer the question. You're asking me right now is because I do not want Shawn Miller to lose his job. I do not want to throw him under the bus. And just like you say that's pretty damning for Shamila. Because that's somebody saying, hey, listen, I ain't trying to hurt Shawn Miller. But he's like actually hurting Miller while he's doing it. Because the the non answer is it's incriminating. It's not proof. But a Arizona fans if you're going to believe Christian doctrines when he said the conversation with Shawn Miller never about the Andrea eight and never happened. I don't know why. I don't I just don't understand how you can believe that thing that he says and be dismissive of everything else that he says, you know, what he's saying all these things on the. Exact same day. You can't really cherry pick. What you believe in? What you don't wanna believe? I'll be consistent. I believe Christian Dawkins when he said that conversation as reported by March labor did not happen. I believe I also believe in when he says the reason I can't answer the question. You're asking me is because if I answered the question, Sean Miller might lose his job. I don't wanna throw show Miller under the bus ie believed. That is well, it's why I wrote that listen, I don't know if they're ever going to be able to have undeniable proof that Shawn Miller did these things because you know, the stuff is hard to prove. But what we do have is two different people one of whom is his assistant coach slash. I don't want to overstate it. But like if somebody's been your assistant coach at two different universities for roughly a decade. Can we call him your right hand, man? If he's been your lead recruiter for roughly a decade at two different universities. You're the only college head coach he's ever. I don't know if that's true or not. But like you hire me Xavier. He's with you Xabi. You take him to Zona. He's with your Zona to the day gets arrested that somebody who's who's who's worked side by side with you at the very least that guy is also on a recording saying that you bought the Andrea eight and an Raleigh Aachen's and given that we know. So you take that information. We got two different people saying show Miller did this. We've got TJ gas Nola in the initial trial testifying that he was trying to buy the Andrea four Kansas. Yes. When you combine all that information with this information, as well book Richardson is on a recording explaining to somebody how he's nearly broke because he spent so much money buying players when you combine all that. It is completely illogical to think that Andrea Aiden. Went to Arizona for nothing more than a scholarship, and it cost of attendance stipend, like we know there's a market via Di Di Andrea. He's the number one player in America, or at least a consensus top by player in America. Someone who went on to be the number one pick in the draft. We know what schools try to buy them. That's Kansas using a Dita's or deed is doing whatever. It's a deed is trying to buy them for Kansas. We know that we know that Arizona's by players book Richardson's says and self and what the honor Aiden with Arizona for free get outta my face. That's just ridiculous. Even though some Arizona fans are still clinging to that. Well, you know, the eight and didn't have to take extra benefits because he knew he'd be rich in a year. Really really like every kid not every a lots of kids who are their families or their guardians or their handlers who take extra benefits impermissible Venice. They also think they're going to be rich and a year doesn't stop them from taking what's available at that moment. It's nonsense to think the Andrea eight and wasn't or somebody connected. The Andrea wasn't compensated outside of the rule book to get him to Arizona. We're talking about a school who had an assistant on staff acknowledging in recordings that he was buying players so much so that he was nearly broke even though he made six figures. So there's that. And two people are saying that the Andre that the guy who was doing. It was Joe Miller like if you're in Arizona fan just say, or if you're the ozone administration just say, we don't care. They're not going to be able to prove our coach did this stuff. And so would just gonna stand by say that but to try to pretend this didn't actually go down the way, it's been presented seems silly to me agree. And I've got a thought on instable a stuff out relates to this and Duke right after this. I want to remind you that this episode of the CBS sports. I own college basketball podcast is brought to you by seek where the promo code college BB will get you ten dollars off your first seatgeek purchase, as you know, the ticket industry hasn't changed in a long time. There are bunch of becomes that have been around forever. But they don't really care about making the experience easier for customers, but seek is unlike that seek is ticket company where the customer comes first with more than fifty thousand five star reviews in the app store. Seek pulls in millions of tickets from all over the web rates each deal on a scale of one to ten and displays them on an interactive seat map. So it's simple to find. 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We talk about the Spiderman far from home trailer place, our bets for vendors endgame to dethrone avatars most accessible movie of all time, and we go deep into Disney slate of upcoming movies after the FOX merger deal be sure to tune in. Okay. So what the point you're making is accurate. And it's also why to me from an NC double A standpoint. This gets fascinating because you know, what the same stuff attached design Williamson in two different instances in two different trials Marvin Bagley whose whose family whose father went on Facebook and NV denied all of this, by the way. So that must be stated for the record. But Marvin Bagley and his family who were undeniably paid by my pay by Nike legally to run a grassroots program. They were connected to this as well. So from an NC double A perspective, the things you say about Andrei and accurate. The circumstances surrounding him Gasol trying to sell them to Kansas. You had Xilai Williamson being his recruitment being presented via Adidas to Kansas, and Kansas Kansas assistant Kurtis Townsend. Playing ball with that with that offer there. That's why as I wrote phase one ended Wednesday all the trial stuff. What Paris led off the top of this podcast with all that stuff wrapped face to started Wednesday. That's the incidentally, I don't know what the timelines going to be on all this. But with the commission that got put into place with the amount of schools that are involved here with the general Greece and grind that was revealed through evidence through testimony in the first trial and the second trial. The instable a has a monumental task in front of it. I want to believe that the committee on infractions Mark Emmer, and everyone that's involved in this kind of stuff is going to do what it says it thinks it can do. But I also believe that it's going to hit a lot of bumps along the way. And ultimately, I think schools will get hit. But I think a lot of people are going to be unsatisfied what the instantly does from here. I actually think. Is what people will be more emotionally invested in perish because the trial. Brought a lot of curiosity especially within the coaching community. There's no doubt about it. But the general public cares more about okay? What coach what program? How are they going to get hit? How are they gonna hit compared to fricken North Carolina which has nothing to do with any of this? By the way, there's still this insatiable appetite over how these coaches and schools are going to be punished. I I I actually think it's fascinating. What is still to come with? Incidentally, investigators what it can and can't prove and the time line on which you can do this. Because I don't think we're going to have answers here by the start of the upcoming twenty nine hundred twenty twenty season. But people are still going to be looking for like they're going to they're going to be looking for stuff to happen before. Then I just don't think that's going to happen. But the fact that you had these huge prospects. Aiden Zion Bagley others as well. I mean drunk quarterly. We have book Richardson, literally saying I need fifteen thousand dollars to fund quarterlies recruitment. Arizona he's given that to try and make it happen. Nearly commits and then decommissioned commits after this story breaks there's a ton of that kind of stuff which will. Take weeks and months, and maybe even years the sort there with the instable a so as we turn forward now. I think that's that's the big story. But there's not going to be any easy answers. That are coming soon. Yeah. And real quick on this like if Sylvia desouza is eligible at Kansas. Why Japan quitter Lee, none? Ineligible. I don't I perish. I don't have the I wish I knew I don't have the answers and one quick side on all this stuff continue with top. But like the government said that Raleigh Bulkin station cherry and dam, and I'm blanking on the third player. They didn't even have any idea of what was happening around him. Now who knows if that's true or not they made it in the closing argument. And it's not evidence. It's not fact, but if that is the case, or if that's the case with Silvio Susa, you know, what the bigger thing here, and we'll say this another podcast and columns like the players get screwed in this so often koso- often, they're not the ones getting the money. It's their handlers with the people's people around him that's their eligibility. That's put risk is the number one example of this. I'm not saying Kansas wasn't dirty. A lot of evidence came forth that indicate that's clearly the case. But sometime. Man these players. They get totally screwed over in this. And frankly, it's it's infuriating. Sometimes when you want some of the evidence that came through. That's a side tangent. I just want to squeeze it in. But you're right. I don't know why quarterly was cleared. But he was he was at Villanova. Now, he's transferring to another school that schools to be determined. You know, I I'd bottom line it this way. Win the arrests were made a we were led to believe that this really could change the sport and get some of the cheetah's in by cheaters. I mean, head coach is running dirty programs get them removed from the sport as we pointed out that just did not happen. And so now, it'll be up to the NC double A to see if they can do that, you know. You know, Kansas is being investigated. Arizona either is being investigated or we'll be investigated. You know? Those LSU is either being investigated or will be investigated. And so we'll we'll see if if Shawn Miller can survive, whatever that investigation uncovers if we'll Wade can survive it if Bill self conservative a last thing, I'll ask you this. It'd be real quick with it. I know that the investigations are going to take awhile. So nothing's going to happen by tomorrow two years from today may ninth two thousand twenty one is shallow the coated Arizona. Gosh, I feel like. I feel like you've asked me this, and I've said no onto different occasions. And he's still there. I will say. Parish. I'll say listen, I'm not going to dodge because I feel like you have to answer this too. I will say no I'll say two years from today may nine twenty twenty one. He's not coaching Zona. What's your answer? I agree with that. I don't think he'll be the head coach Zona a two years from today. We'll wait two years from today. Head coach LSU. I don't think he will be the head coach Ilisu two years from today. I think I agree with that Bill self two years from day coach, Kansas. I do think Bill self will still be a Kansas two years from today. I agree with that as well. South to Devon down south to Chester South Carolina, shout the Terry MEF until he's a legend chested a home alarm nail. Remember subscribe to the college basketball podcast via apple podcast rated favourably five stars. Nice comments. That's what I've asked from you from the jump. If you've already done that. Thank you think you think you haven't take some minute. You'll do it for me. And either way we can talk again next week till being takes.

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College basketball's federal trial gets underway with some big opening statements (10.3)

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College basketball's federal trial gets underway with some big opening statements (10.3)

"Hey, there I'm Kerry Wednesday, October third, two thousand eighteen welcome back to the island. Cal basketball pack. And Matt norlander is here with me awhile. We've quoted a podcast nearly a month if I checked the records and that's because norlander became a father for the second time. He's been on paternity leave paternity leave, but he's back now had another baby. Boy. He did not name the baby. Joe mad norlander and that's good. Considering dismal performance from the cubs over the past couple of days norlander how you've been, how's the baby little Khalil? Mack norlander is is doing fine, and it's not actually Khalil Mack, but I was damn tempted to try and make a name change after Misha cog bears are three. No, since my son, Alex was born, we're doing great great to be back on the cash at to the listeners for your patience. We appreciate that. We'll be back on a weekly schedule here and then the season gets going. We'll go back to three times a week, but things at home are. Busy an interesting, but I'm I'm making out just fine. And yes, it was. It was a boy. So there we go. I was at about. I can't remember if I said this on the podcast or not perish, but by the time we got to the moment of truth hours at about eighty to eighty three percent that we were going to have a boy. And the reason that was was my wife was unintentionally tipping your hand. So the small party thought, okay, unless she's playing this so sly. So I was ready for the doctor. You know, my wife ended up having a c. section at six fifty in the morning, and she's like, are here here is you have a, this is going to be a last second. I was like, this is going to be a girl and I was so ready for girl and so eager for one. But we gotta boy, which is awesome. So on the oldest, four boys now I have two sons norlander male gene is is running extremely strong hair, but it's fantastic and it's it's been. It's been a fun couple of weeks here with the exception of last night as I was. Was watching my Cubbies just completely Peter out and pull a Mets for the better part of the past month. Really. I mean, just could not get any runs, but it's been awesome to to watch the cubs and to kind of just, you know, be with my with my newborn hair. So that's an exciting thing. But it's obviously Tober and we're getting close to troop season. So that's a great thing to, but most of all just happy to be doing the podcast again, does the fact that you wanted to girl make you resent your second son? Not even close. I actually liked the fact that I have two boys. I, I, I don't know if we'll have a third or not. So I like that my older son Carter if we're only going to have to, I think I prefer to have the same same gender. So you know, you grow up as brothers as opposed to appoint a girl. If we do eventually go for third, which I don't know if we do or not. I will be absolutely pulling to have a girl there, but but wind up seeing. But Alex wound up winning for the name that. It was my wife's winning pick here a beat out. Luke was my choice, and then we also considered grant and Everett and and so, yeah, that wand up being real quick though, so get this. And I, I do want listener feedback on this as well. And I want you to be honest with me too. So. He was born on September, thirteenth, so September twelfth. So we picked the names reach boy and girl and doing this, not knowing that we would have the child. The next day he came early. He was earlier than the scheduled c section. And so. So we pick the names and we were going to go with Heidi for girl because Heidi, I referenced the social security list. It's consistent. You can look at the pattern of name popularity. Heidi has been Chilin in the three hundreds for sixty years in terms of how popular it is overall. It never gets into the top one hundred and never dress down into the seven or eight hundred. I was like, you know what that's common enough, but not not crazy, comet, Heidi norlander. It's got a very Swedish vibe to my wife and I totally loved it. So we have the boy, we have Alex, and then you know, our parents are start asking us if it was a girl, what was going to be? And I was like, you know what? I loved, Daphne. My wife shot it down. So we went through DAPHNE. I know. I know your daughter be called Scooby doo. I know we are. This is now a code after the previous podcast. I know. But regardless, I still love the name, Daphne. So so then all of all of our family and many of our friends are like, oh God, Heidi is just horrible hideous. We knew three people who hate Heidi's that they already know. So. So we got to talk if we'd actually had a girl and we named it Heidi, would we be getting honest feedback like this? Probably not. So it's good that it's good that we didn't, but we would hope that our family, it'd be like, you know, within twenty four hours. Let's just let's rethink this whole thing. So we were completely unaware. Then again, it's our kids who who the hell cares if we want to name it, what we want to name it, so be it, but what are your, what are your thoughts on Heidi here? Do you side with the most of the people aren't life? Or do you think that hiding norlander if it had been a girl, does that ring to it? I don't mind it at all. I think of highly clue. How wouldn't there a Heidi on the hills? Did you ever watch the hills? I cannot say that I have there was a high. Yeah. There was a Heidi and Spencer so Heidi from the hills and highly clue. And I think that's about it pops into my. I don't mind. How did that? You know what I would have done if it was girl for you fire. Alex, I actually, that's the thing p p Kelly. When we were discussing names before we knew what we were going to have on the on. The list for girl names, not boy names. I didn't wanna boy him out, but I like to girl named Alex. I like I like girl names for boys and boy named for girls. We never actually executed that with our sons, but I liked Alex for a for a girl. I'm with you. I, that was my top ten girl into Alex girl. My wife didn't like it at all, and it's kind of like how I like Schuyler for a boy, but not spelled like s. k. y. l. a. r. I like the super old school s. c. h. u. my wife's like, no, we're not doing that. But anyway, I'm right there with the. I like when, like I like Dylan for girl. When you when you throw the traditional names out for one gender, give it to the other. I'm totally on board with you there. So. All right. Just to ensure we do not do another baby named podcast back to back on. Congratulations. And I'll see. I know you've been busy, but it's nice to nice to have you back. Nice to be back recording the college basketball podcast. So the big news is that this week, the trials connected the college basketball scandal that feature tin men getting arrested and charged with federal crimes last September. They started this week in opening statements. Jim ghettos trial were especially interesting. Basically, we now know that Jim gadoe and I'm assuming Makoto be the same way and perhaps Christian doctrines the same way. Jim ghettos not going to deny that he did what he's accused of doing. He's merely going to argue or is it is attorneys are that he broke into Blair rules, not committed federal crimes. His attorney actually said in the opening statements, yes today and her name is Kay. Donnelly. She said NCWA rules were broken when we are not going to waste your time, pretending these families did not get funds. Jim gadoe broken suitably rules, but instable rules are not laws, and this is a, I think, an interesting defense if not unexpected. Because if they were going to go to trial, this is the way that you had to to argue it in. People had pointed this out myself included several times over the past several months that the defense is not going to be that we didn't do what we're accused of doing because like you're caught, the defense is going to be, but it's not a crime. And where this gets interesting is that they're smart legal minds who have debated for a year. Now whether what the people involved here actually did is is a federal crime and the way that the prosecution is the the only way they can argue that it is. Crime. The perhaps not the only way, but the way that they've argued that it's a crime is that they've labeled the universities involved as fictims. In other words, the argument from the prosecution side is that Jim gadoe defrauded Kansas or Louisville or NC state, and he defraud them by compromising student athletes that they were going to enroll. And then those student athletes would be eligible and it would it would cost university that the university was victim. What gadoe was arguing, and I think reasonably so is that get outta my face with this like their victim? I wasn't working in the shadows. I was working for them. I was doing what they asked me to do. There is no victim here. Everybody got what they wanted. I wanted high profile players at Adidas schools. The schools wanted Hypo wanted me to. Help them get high profile players and high profile players. Families wanted to be compensated to go to a certain school. Everybody got what they wanted. There is no victim and if there is no victim, there is no fraud. And if there is no fraud, I'm not guilty. I didn't commit a crime. I mean, that's basically where we're at right now. Right norlander. Yeah, that's a large part of it for those who want to also a good angle on on what Tuesday brought about Paris's obviously, and get into it a little bit more on the podcast as well. Call him up about what makes this trial. Interesting and the fallout here and we'll get to that in just a second. The the opening statement. Was intriguing in that. I did not expect certain schools to get tossed out immediately in terms of being linked to this schools that are not even. Under federal probe right now, to me, the most interesting part of Tuesday was that you did not have the prosecution. You had the defense bringing up, Oregon allegedly throwing out astronomical money to land Brian Bowen and and putting out there that NC state pay Dennis Smith and his family, a ton of money to go. There we can now say this. I feel comfortable saying this let me because I, I don't think that's actually what was said. I think what was said about Dennis Smith is that ghetto provided the family with forty thousand dollars while he was at NC state right now, Dennis Smith going to NC state and college basketball circles when it was happening was there was a ton of suspicion over that. Okay. But again, if you don't have the evidence, you don't have the proof is, but from what Yahoo reported and had the paperwork on back in February to what we have here. Now regardless parish for the defense to come out. And start naming names and making accusations against other schools. This wasn't the prosecution. It was defense doing this because it's basically saying, this is how things are working at the high major level. We know you have the receipts in the forms of of wiretaps. In some cases, I believe even some video as well. And obviously the text messages that were that were captured as well. So they know that there's no out that way. They know that you're absolutely saying, yeah, this, this happened, but NCWA rules are not federal law. They're not. They're not laws period just because we were benefiting one party to help. Another doesn't mean that necessarily we were breaking federal law in this case is flimsy on those grounds. We'll see if they have success on that or not will say this. It is intriguing to me that federal cases that get to this level, I don't have the exact figure, but I remember when this all came out, I believe Michael mechanics. I had the had the figure on this some some months back when you wrote about it. But when you get to this level. Out of federal case, is this a case of this kind of purview as the conviction rate is like ninety five percent? It's it's ridiculously high. It might even be higher than that, but at the same time and I was talking with a coach on Tuesday night who has. Can't give the coach up, but he was notified that he was caught on a wiretap amid this FBI investigation. He pointed out that while that is true. There's never really been a case like this before. So the super high conviction rate isn't necessarily going to mean that you're going to see the defense in defendants in this case, and then the assistant's those cases don't even start that their particular case, the other three assistance, not including Chuck Person who has his own those starting twenty nine hundred even after the season's over. But since you've got such a different type of trial here, it might be a a bit foolish to assume that because the conviction rate in federal trials of this kind parish have gone toward the way of the department of Justice and the prosecution doesn't necessarily mean that will be the case here. It will be extremely intriguing. What happens on that end? And then as I volley it back to you, the organ stuff is obviously the juiciest thing here. When you've got the defense saying, you know, my client was looking. Level, the playing field offer one hundred thousand dollars on behalf of the DS to try and lure Brian bow and junior to get to Louisville and in doing so, he's off what the market was in particular Oregon was offering out there. There were other schools that Bowen had on his on his top five list, including Creighton, Michigan state to all believe. We have a quote that has come out in the past twenty four hour saying that Michigan state was absolutely not trying to buy bone under no circumstances, which is interesting because Michigan state was the most local team to Bom where he grew up in Michigan that's also were dockings his from. So you've got a lot of interesting elements here in Oregon for its part released a statement on Tuesday saying, we've never been contacted by the federal authorities. We're gonna monitor this case, but as it pertains to what the defense alleged here, we have not been involved whatsoever on this and any matter I will also Paris. Oregon did not announce that it was starting. Any type of internal or external investigation. At this point, we'll see if that changes in the coming days whether or not Oregon's name gets brought into this even further as the trial continues. I think you're not probably talked to the same coach last night and because I talked to somebody who said a lot of similar things and it's exactly right, like the the conviction rate is incredibly high above ninety percent. But this case is is very different and right from the jump people have. Nobody's ever debated whether these things go on or went on. The debate has been okay, but are they federal crimes? They're clearly in suitably violations, but are they federal crimes. For instance, one of the point Casey danley made yesterday points she made was that instable rules are a little bit like apartment complex rules. For instance, in my neighborhood, we're not allowed to have our garbage cans. Visible cannot be visible from the street in any way. You keep them in your backyard. You keep them in your garage, but they cannot be visible. And if they are what happens to you? I don't get charged with a crime. I get a letter from the neighborhood association saying, come on pairs, put your put your garbage cans up, right? And if you continue to do it, they might actually find you something okay but but the cops aren't going to show up like it's not a crime to have your garbage cans visible, but would be in violation of my neighborhood association rules. Same thing here, at least that's what the argument is. It is. It is undeniably against NCWA rules for Jim gadoe to do Jim ghetto knowledge is he did, but it is not a federal crime. And the reason it's not a federal crime is because there is no victim. He did not defraud anybody. In fact, he was working hand in hand with the college basketball coaches who were asking for his help. They were not defraud it. They were assisted. Everybody got out of this deal exactly what they wanted. Jim wanted high profile players at Adidas schools. The schools wanted gyms help, and the family. Wanted money, no victim, everybody got what they wanted. And when you try to argue that, you know keep in mind. They're not arguing this to a committee of athletic directors. They're arguing to a jury that largely has no concept of instable Heff legs of college, basketball of amateurism. And so I, I think it was Dan Wetzel who was tweeting about this, like the jury pool is like. It ain't me and you on that jury or anybody listening to this podcast on that jury, they're just people who don't know anything about anything. And when you try to argue to them. Or make the case to them that, hey, listen, what he did was was in violation of these rules that most people don't even agree with to begin with, but it wasn't a crime. There is no victim. I think that resin. I think it can resonate. I think it's a, it's a defense that just might work. I, which is why a sort of the point I make in the column that I wrote yesterday, like who cares about Jim gadoe thirteen months ago. Nobody else had really tight basketball circles. New Jim Gada was like whether Jim gadoe is guilty of federal crimes and serves prison time is important to Jim gadoe and his family and his friends, but like it really doesn't matter to anybody else. What matters is, what happens to everybody else, these college basketball programs that millions of people care about. And the point I'm making the columnists. The collateral damage here from Jim gadoe trial is much more interesting than what actually happens. Did you ghetto because just in the opening statements as you point out ghettos attorney says, yes, he paid one hundred thousand dollars agreed to pay one hundred thousand dollars to Brian Bowen's family, but only after organ offered an astronaut number. He was just letting the Plainfield now organs roped in. I don't know whether they'll be able to prove or. Offered an astronaut number. But it was said in court yesterday and he says, yes, he gave forty thousand dollars to Smith's family. So that's bad news for state. And that's bad news for Mark, Godfrey, Mark. Now that head coach Cal State Northridge. It was a little weird when he got that job. Considering this cloud was hovering. Cal State Northridge was like, well, we've looked into it and we feel like he's at risk of nothing. Well, now, at the very least he was the coach of a program whose player was whose family best players. Family was paid forty thousand dollars by an Adidas executives like that according to an Adidas executive. So like you know, sort through that, have you want ghetto also says that, yes, yes. He paid twenty thousand dollars to somebody connected to Sylvia Susa to get him to go to Kansas, but only after Under Armour had already paid twenty thousand dollars to get into Maryland. So now under arms wrapped up in his thing barrel. We already knew was wrapped up in this. Thanks, but I can't imagine Silvio is going to play college basketball again, I mean when when you've got an Adidas executive admitting, yes, this is what I did. I don't know how the instantly doesn't really been eligible n beyond then he played in the final four last year. Canes is going to have to vacate. I would. I would assume so perish. I don't see how that doesn't happen and something to keep in mind as we as this trial, which is expected to last anywhere from three to four weeks could be done by Halloween. We'll see remember the new rules put forth. These are. These are now on the books, and we did a podcast, you know, months or so ago about this. The instable can now in its own investigations, take things discovered by legitimate outside investigative bodies and use them toward their own investigation without having to further probe. So the, here's my thing though, what gets set in court, and then what does the entity Belay us to adjudicate things? For example, you mentioned Oregon, if this just gets continually tossed out, but we don't have okay. Who did it who was offering the money who who are the people tied to that? Okay. And do you have a specific money mount? Do you have timelines? You have anything if you don't, then if you're an organ fan. I would think that you're going to be at worst punishment, but at best probably probed by the instable at some point, but maybe there ever be anything proven there. So it's a matter of what gets played out in court and then what the AA deems legitimate enough to say, okay, no, what we what we saw there at this first trial, this is going to be enough for us to Levy some sort of sanctions. That's what's going to be intriguing to me. 'cause you're right. There's going to be a lot of collateral damage here and we're gonna find out here. More witnesses are going to provide very interesting testimony. It's a matter of how much clout those witnesses have and what's put forth by the prosecution via wiretaps or any other things that have come up through their own investigations that are deemed appropriate for the court and for the jury and what the judge allows and what the instantly takes from that. I would have to believe that there are actual incidentally representatives on the task force or as a member of the COO I committee on infractions that are attending these hearings on a daily basis. Yeah. The other big note from the. Opening statement and was AirAsia was willing to pay one hundred fifty thousand dollars to get in a little. So Miller's got questions to answer now. Like we already know. That book Richardson was committing major instable rules violations while recruiting. Well here if it was proven that AirAsia is somebody on a wiretap from Arizona saying, hey, we can do one hundred fifty for little if so that's that's big problems. And so all of this is going to presumably come out over the next few weeks and you're exactly right though yesterday it was just organ was willing to do this era Sona was willing to do this. I would assume the specifics the details come out in the in the coming weeks and that's where I think these programs in these, the people who run these programs could be facing some some big issues. For instance, when they say Oregon often and an astronaut number, we don't know what that means yet, but, but I'm assuming we'll find out. Okay. Was it Nike on behalf of Oregon? Was it Dan? Allman was an organ booster. Was it an organ system? Like who who, who from Oregon was offering an astronomical number, but it seems like Brian and father who has been granted immunity from prosecution is going to take the stand. Don't ask him all kinds of questions because what they're trying to do is paint a picture accurately. I, I think that, hey, this is the way things got done. Jim gadoe one out there like a lone wolf, just throwing tens of thousands of dollars round. Jim gotta was just trying to level the playing field for the schools because and this is essentially what they're saying because you had to if you were competing with Nike schools and the under armor schools, like I don't know that this is what they'll say, but this is kind of what they're saying. We didn't want to go have to give one hundred thousand dollars to get Brian, go to Louisville, But we didn't know he was going go to Nike school because somebody connected to anarchy school was doing it, and we didn't want to have to give twenty thousand dollars to seal to go to Kansas. But we didn't. He was going to go to an unarmed school because under armor had already given twenty thousand dollars. They are trying to paint the picture that this is the way college basketball recruiting goes. It is. It's been that way for a while. It didn't start with Jim gadoe probably won't him with Jim gadoe and. And in there everybody was a willing participant. No, there are no victims here. Everybody was a willing participant, and I think I think that can resonate with the jury. But again, like what Brian Boleyn's father say when he takes stain like. I would assume they're gonna ask him who else offered money. I, that's gotta best. That's that's coming. And he's. No reason to lie. In fact, he's got every reason not to lie. Yep, though. Yeah. Okay. What did this school say? What could you get done with from this go? What could you get done from this school? Who did you talk to? Who did they talk to like that when TJ gas Nola who ghettos right hand man. Like what's he going to be asked on that stay? Is it going to be okay, did you did you deliver a bag to Seuss's people? Okay. Did Bill self know about that? Curtis Townsend know about that. Like these are the types of questions I'm assuming are going to be. Asked and those answers might not lead to criminal problems for the staffs at Oregon or Kansas, or AirAsia or Maryland, but they could lose lead to big in CWA AA problems in job problems for those staff. And I think if I were if I were involved in any program that was named in that opening statement yesterday, I'd be a little nervous right now because it's probably not going to get better for you. It's probably going to get worse. Yeah. In fact, I'm in the midst of this hot seat thing every year. It's kind of nature of the beast. Don't love doing it, but fact is every year college football college, basketball, their coaches. Whose jobs are there potentially on the line with with performance in the season ahead. But I mean, as I'm building this out, perish and I'm thinking last night, I'm like. You know, I understand that Arunas administration stood behind Shawn Miller, but how is how is he still not on the hot seat and in some way, like with Kansas being roped in like this? Like how Bill job not at least up for some curious discussion as pertains to this case and what white have been done on behalf of a d this for Kansas to begin with it. It's. It is interesting. Now, I don't know how many more head coaches are going to lose their jobs because of this trial. Certainly, there's the potential for that for a lot of information to come out and for the instable a to eventually still not doing anything. By the way, the FBI has advised the instability to stand down on its investigations until these trials finish. So again, I know we've been to pass podcasts. This is going to be something that just it's going to creep along in some ways for years because of the nature of how long these trials will take and then what the to afterward. I'll be interesting how many other schools come up should note that there are no major college coaches that are getting called to the stand. That's not in the cards for this trial. So you will not be seeing Sean Miller Bill self, Dana Altman, you name it. You name the coach. These Patino like they're not going to be called to the stand. So their testimony won't be in play here would just probably ultimately a good thing for them because I do believe that if there was real reason for them to have legitimate concern and worry, I think they'd be more prominently displayed on the witness list. That's not the case. Here's one more thought ahead, parish, you mentioned Silvio Susa, Brian Bowen. These were good prospects. These were not one and done prospects. These top five elite prospects sh, you know, almost surefire, lottery prospects, potentially in little. But I will also say that the f. b. i. cleared Zere little and his family. From any sort of wrongdoing here, that kind of stuff was being done. Beyond the scope of the family's knowledge, they vehemently denied all of this. When it came out parents on the record, the whole deal and it it came to be known that you know the people around little grassroots coach and and shoe company representatives for more trying to trying to work deal there. But for the most part, these are not a players just makes you think sometimes not breaking new ground here, but you know why you're paying this much money to get Brian bone. Like really, it just shows you how the underground black market economy forgetting talent can just get to a certain level where it's it's cutthroat and shoe company representatives. Are people trying to get paid if these guys make the NBA or. Yeah. In some cases, coaching staff know that the difference between getting this player versus that player, you know what it might mean the difference between eighteen and twenty three wins, which could mean the difference between tournament or not, or it could be the difference between a five seed. A two seed, and that's the difference between win two games and winning four games in the incidentally tournament. So that's a lot of the calculus that can go into this. And without a doubt, this trial is going to put on display a lot of what we've known as gone on for so long in college sports in as this all happens. I wonder what the people in the college football community think. And if it's sport was on trial like this, what we might find. But regardless, I think it will be pretty interesting almost daily. We should be getting some some intriguing updates and. As we talk about this more as a month goes along. We podcast weekly here. Will be interesting to see how this trial wraps up what the verdicts are, and then I would think that it wants. It wraps up. I mean, this should be ending just as the season starting. So it's going to be interesting to transition from this to the actual game starting and see how those things connect. The I mean, I've said that from the jump about Brian Bowen and like if we know that Brian Bowen's family had to do in place, four hundred thousand dollars like it's nonsensical to assume that the twenty dudes ranked ahead of Brian Bowen in his in his class, some of them. Weren't compromised as well. You'd have to be pretty naive to subscribe to that. And the one hundred thousand dollars is a big number. Keep in mind. And I know you know this, this ain't coming out of some coaches pocket. It's coming from Adidas one hundred dollars Dita's. Nothing like it's Pinis. And so that's why like Adidas is happy to pay a hundred thousand dollars to get a five star prospect to go to Louisville because in basketball, you only need a few of them to be a final four contender. If you could get if you could get three of them for total of three hundred thousand dollars and immediately turn yourself into a preseason top Tintin like that took good investment for a deed, as long as you don't get caught of course, but. It'll be interesting by the time you're listening to this by the way, like some new details could have come out. This is a case, a trial that's happening in a courtroom in lower Manhattan every day. Now new things will come out every day, but it'll be interesting to watch it unfold. They say it's gonna take about a month the trial to watch it unfold on a day by day basis. 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Person to to replace Billy Donovan. It is not easy to replace a legend ask anybody who's ever tried to replace John Calipari UMass or Memphis, but Mike done about as well as you could reasonably hope to do. Been Florida. Now, three years, he's starting his fourth season next month. He's gotten to to insead ably tournaments what at least twenty one games each season elite eight in two thousand seventeen round at thirty. Two last season should be back in the NCAA tournament. This season top twenty recruiting class in two thousand eighteen got a top by couldn't class right now. It seems to be working out working out in a big way this up for the future and then for this season. Yeah. I mean, we're in the process of building out our top one hundred and one list. I'm geeking out way too much on this, but I expect them Jalen Hudson for sure. And then keep on Allen like those are both top one hundred players in college basketball. So you got to top one hundred guys off a team last year. That was pretty solid. Yeah. Florida should again be an instability turnament team, and then you bring in a really good class for for the year coming up and you beat out. Kentucky for Scotty. Lewis, Scottie Lewis, interesting prospect. He's been identified as an elite eventual NBA player for what seems like at least four years now, Mike white, his staff chased for a long time and to be honest Saint John's was in their real good because of where Lewis grew up in jersey. Mike Reiss coached his grassroots team, and there was just a natural connection Saint John's was in there tight. And just a quick aside on Saint John's, you know, they should be pretty talented this year, and they should be in my opinion with with their talent, perish. That should be a top three team in the big east and what's going to be a relatively down here for the big east. Let's say they aren't though, let's say they're okay. They're top five. Maybe they come a little bit short. Okay. You will. You don't get Scottie Lewis and say the next year you sputter I'm telling you it's just stuff like this. That can make a three to four year difference on a program. If you're saying Johnson, Newland, Scottie Lewis, it completely changes things for you and recruiting for the outlook of your program. They don't get him keep an eye on Saint John's over the next year to see if Mullen and his staff can can find some success despite that. And if they don't, I think not landing. Lewis might wind up being a key component to where things just pivoted a little bit. The wrong way. Meanwhile, Mike white beats out John Calipari for a top twelve top ten prospect. Scotty Lewis, I would almost think will be a one and done. He's interesting because he does a lot of things really well, but he's not a great score at this point, but very long rangy really smart kid think you'll fit in very, very well. I would think that when we do our top one hundred and one player's going into next season skied, Lewis would be on that list. I do have a lot of confidence in his ability to step into college and being impact player relatively quickly. So big gains for Florida, which also just makes the SEC again, just that more interesting. The league was really up last year. It should be pretty good again this year. If you can get teams like Mississippi State to end their incidentally tournament drought, Florida's still going to be good if Kentucky being the best team in the country this season, this is just good for the SEC. Overall, Kentucky fans obviously frustrated that you not only miss out on on a five star player and a guy who I would think would start for you k. next season, but you lose out to Florida. And this is from a recruiting standpoint, although white has been building a really good class. I think that the. The Louis commitment, it firmly establishes the Gators again as a as a premier player. Within the five star realm. Okay. Florida's beating out Kentucky for guys and Kentucky very much wanted Louis than I think that's extremely notable nationally from a recruiting standpoint. And yeah, listen, Mike, White's done about as good as you as you said reasonably expect. He gained really close to making a final four is going to the tournament two or three years. Even his first year was reasonably decent for for his entry point, make the tournament again this year he's done about as well as you could possibly expect. And that's why particular we targeted him as a guy who's next series at the at the schools have current health coaches, Mike, why does able to not even make win a national championship, but make a final four? Just keep Florida in the top twenty five conversation almost annually than yes, I think that it is inevitable that he will be down the path. Billy Donovan in that. He could be sought after by top by programs, potentially. Maybe even the NBA gives him a look down the road. But in the short term here, Florida is looking really, really good Scotty Lewis in the fold, and the gator seem to have locked up a top ten class at worst and potentially top-five class for twenty nineteen. Just real quick on the SEC. The league in general, not just Kentucky, but the league in general has been recruiting well in recent years, and you're starting to see the results of that like that leaks. Gonna be awesome this year. I mean, think about this variables got to five star freshman and might not even finish the top six in the league because Kentucky is is the number one in the top twenty five and one Tennessee preseason top five team bring everybody back from SEC championship team. I've got Auburn in the top ten, I think LSU's going to be tremendous. Bring back from out waters and add to five star freshman, Mississippi State is going to be good. I've got them in the top twenty five and one Florida. I have just outside of the top twenty five and one, but you can reasonably put him in and then. Vanderbilt's sitting there with, you know, two, five star, freshman Missouri's. Got John Porter Bak. You know, Arkansas. I don't know. We'll be very good, but they got a lottery pick and Daniel gaffer. I mean, there's some real players in this league now, and I think it's going to be one of the better leagues in the country. Like I think it'll be as good as it's been a long time. Yeah, it should be. It's been more than a decade since the SEC ranked as a top three league in Ken palm, it's got a chance to do that in particular, my opinion, because the biggies isn't shouldn't be as good. The big ten probably shouldn't be as good as given the big ten. A look while I was on paternity leave at trying to figure out how that conference is going to shake out. It's looking right now. 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"The Paul finebaum show podcast is brought to you by capital. One capital. One is reimagining banking offering account with no fees or minimums that can be opened in five minutes capital. One. What's in your wallet capital? One NA member FDIC. Cried passion than patterns re of college football leaves here. This is the Paul finebaum show. Best of podcast. We welcome you back to the programs, but a couple of days glad you're here. And we had a great day yesterday in Birmingham. We'll talk more about that later talk to Nick Sabin, Kirby, smart Gus malzahn unit, and we will have some of those interviews for you probably tomorrow. We have a busy show on tap today. A lot of conversation of including Tim Brando, later on Gary perish talking about the end of the trial in New York. Some Georgia Florida conversation and been Kercheval from CBS sports. It's not a very interesting deep dive into coaching world. And especially we've seen the predictable. And even pro Zach coaching rankings. Ben is on something a little different for his website. And we're delighted to welcome to the program. Ben. Thanks, thanks for being here. So it's been too long. Listen, the easiest thing in the world is just two ranked coaches you. Chose the road less traveled. We say Hello to you. And please explain because I you did it in a way. I I have never seen before good afternoon. Thank you, Paul actually got the idea of you is back ago from Elliot off Espy nation and she's brought up. I think a really good point about ranking coaches, which is that when you're trying to just do your your regular top twenty five or top whatever, and I should say that sports dot com. We went ahead and ranked all sixty five power power, five coaches. But for me when you're trying to put one guy next to another sometimes, they're not always measured by the same standards. I mean, Nick Sabin and Bill Snyder when he was a Kansas state. We're not measured by the same six because they weren't doing the same thing. So for me, I thought maybe a more accurate way, or at least an attempt to be a little bit more accurate with to put them in different categories with others. I guess like coaches and not. Way. Maybe we can better if we're going to rent these guys to actually better judge them based on what they've accomplished. And maybe what the expectations are for what they need to accomplish. So so the top tier you you you call it the Bryant tier and to the surprise of maybe no one alive. Nick Sabin is number one there. Followed by Daboh, JIMBO, Fisher, Lincoln Riley. And Kirby smart, I would think after after Nick Sabin, Davos, the obvious one. How do you differentiate when once you get beyond the top two coaches? Yeah, that's tough because that actually was almost going to be a tear in and of itself because they are the two coaches right now who are heading shoulders above everybody. But I tried to twin just a little bit more than that. I hear based on coaches at programs that are looking to do similar things and have guys who even if they're very young in their career have accomplished a lot. That's where you know, Lincoln Riley and Kirby smart. Obviously, JIMBO Fisher has the national championship at four to state. You're gonna look to try to get something going more at Texas saying them. So I put him in there. Just because he's an act of coach with a national title urban Meyer would have been in that chair last year. Curvy smart, and Lincoln Riley or two of the more controversial picks because they've only been at a Georgia and Oklahoma for three two years. So for Lincoln Riley. It was well he's he's been to play offs already has two Heisman winners to number one overall picks with Cuyler and Baker. So in just a couple of years, and he's actually even in exception to a rule that I laid out which is I like to have coaches with at least three years of experience before I would even consider them to be put into a coaching tear. But I put him in that too because he's already done so much he's recruiting very well. I mean, they're always going to be near or at the top of the big twelve vine for playoff spot. So I think just based on his accomplishments. So far. He's he's earned a spot in that section. And then for Kirby smart. I mean, he's lost Nick Sabin twice. But man, he's led those games for almost the entire way. And then was a two time go by Loa throw away from winning a national championship a couple years ago. He's recruiting at the level, or at least near the level of favoring laughing other people in the SEC east, Dr back division titles won the conference championship a couple years ago. So I I think he has that program exactly where they wanna be. And you know, you're starting to see his coaching tree branch out a little bit too with no pucker getting the job at Colorado. So all the things that we've seen in saving it out Obama. And and LSU I think you're starting to already see out of Kirby, Georgia. Okay. There are never other tiers. We'll we'll kind of zip through them a little quick more quickly. The the next tears berry. Alvarez you have Peterson Gary Patterson Brian Kelly, David Shaw, what's this one all about? This one is just really more of a wide casting net. Who are the power five coaches who are winning and doing so successfully a couple of the people that I really under I guess under ranked under appreciated last year. One of them was Brian Kelly. I think when you look at the totality of his career. He he really deserves to be named amongst the the better coaches at that level, especially getting back to a playoff last year. I know I know they got beat by Clemson pretty good. But getting there getting there is a big accomplishment. And then another one is Pat FitzGerald I made the grave that day. I don't even know how I didn't rank and they're a year ago what he's done at northwestern is obviously incredible. So those are guys who were really just had a lot more sustained success, and those were two that I I really feel like deserve a little bit more praise than maybe they've been giving nationally. Those are really good coaches the next here his is a little bit different because we start we we call. This you call this the Howard show. Burger to your the great coach who was at Miami winning the national championship, and and ultimately, Oklahoma, Louisville and and FAU. This guys are all great. You have Bill Kark, Dave, Clawson, cut cliff and Jeff Mahnken at the top. But these are not well as well known as well. No because they're, but they're program builders, and you look at what Duke was before quick took over my goodness army was was just in a rut before just Mahnken took over and you get even down to the list a little bit. You get a guy like not rule Baylor. And Baylor was doing great when our brows was there. But obviously with the scholarship, you know, losses in guys leaving the program. I mean, they were just really really down in the dumps, and they were terrible coverings playing walk on the defensive side of the ball. And you know, he had been going back to bowl eligibility last season. So I think you get a guy like him and what he did it temple he's deserving. Some recognition Dino babies getting choose to ten wins. So, you know, some of these guys could be considered up enough coaches. But I think right now, they're really just more known as as program building type guy. The next one Lavelle Edwards. Great BYU coach who wanted championship. These guys are getting it done outside the power five. You have rocky long Tedford who's been in the power five. And then you had some very familiar coaches who are more rebound on the rebound like Charlie long. And of course, Butch Davis. So what what's the best way to describe this group? I think for buying large most of the not all of them. But most of these guys are probably not going to be moving up the coaching ladder. You mentioned some of them are kind of the retread Charlie Strong's, Jeff Tedford, maybe guys who at some point coach power five. It just didn't work out for whatever reason. And now there's there's sort of back in the game. But maybe at a place that's a little bit better form or you get needed guy like Brian Hartson who maybe he could move up the ladder. But he's doing very well, Boise state. It's home for him. He's going to be there for very long time. So these are just guys who are doing very well outside of this power five conferences, but maybe not necessarily looking to move up, but it doesn't necessarily diminish the kind of coaches that they are. I mean can need noon dot how God me and Tom Awo at. Navy? I mean, he's had a couple of slipping seasons. But he still the all time winningest coach in that program's history in probably could have had another couple of power five jobs as well. So again guys looking to accomplish maybe different things than high level power five guys. But certainly not any less of a coach I'll tell you about Kercheval about the way he is broken things down the next. I'm just fascinated by this Yano to your these are the coaches moving up, and you you start with Scott Satterfield who a lot of people have been watching very closely for years of mad Campbell. Who seems like he's already made it Brahm Norville Neil Brown. PJ Fleck who was the hottest coach of the country a couple years ago in lane kiffin who's been there a couple of different times. Yeah. So he these are the coaches who I don't necessarily think they're going to stay at that. They're, you know, either current location or they just got there for Golic and you'll Brown or Satterfield. I think these guys are the ones moving up. The coaching ladder. I mean Braun could could they have the red carpet rolled out for him at at Louisville. I mean, he could have been there if if you wanted to I don't think his job offers going to end anytime soon, I think you'll Brown wins at West Virginia. There's already been a lot of early rave about how he's really changed that program up post Dana Holger, San I think he's eventually going to find someplace where where he can go, and they'd have lots excess West Virginia is a tough place to win. But I think she's the kind of guy who can who can get it done there. So these are just the up and comers. And I think these are the types of coaches who they're in this tier now, but you in the next few years, you're probably going to see them in probably that more of that Barry Alvarez here the final one the gym nor the gym or tier juries out. And the number one guy. Here's Gus malzahn. We'll have him with a tomorrow. You don't want to be number one on this list, especially when you've been at your school, a considerable amount of time you've gotten a contract extension, but you also know. That if you don't have a big year, you will probably be working at ESPN next year. And on top of that. I think he was in the Barry Alvarez here. Maybe even last year. I it kind of goes to show how quickly those things can change. I mean, he's someone who is just you know season or so removed from winning the SEC west and his first year Auburn coached for a national championship. So the guy's credentials. Are are certainly there is the only coach not name Nick saving to come out of the west and in the past five or six years, and and yet here he is. And sometimes that's more of a just a reflection on the school as much as the coach and shows a lot of you know, what Auburn expects and sort of the power struggle and between now's on in the program and the board. And so sometimes it's it's more circumstantial than anything. But he he was number one just because of how absolutely polarizing years, we're really smart guy. Great offensive mind. But it seems like a at any given moment he's either getting a huge extension or is on the way out the door. Really good list. Been this time of the year. You guys that cover college sports for these websites. I mean, this is not one is roll out of bed and put together. This just took a lot of work. What other kind of things are you working on for the rest of the summer? Well, I mean, we're we're we just rolled out a whole bunch of other coaching rankings as well. You're going to be seeing a lot of features either something in the works right now on the back end. I'm trying to put together with saying L anger at Texas more of a human interest story. So definitely be on the lookout for that. And then over on the other end, I'm it's not just college football applaud and covered. I was covering the af when he was still, you know, there's a whole bunch of fallout from that there's more to their more to come there to well, listen that was a quick end. Ben, thanks, come back soon. We will look forward to seeing you. All right. Thanks. They'll take to listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. I griffith. Joining us. And. Who better than to try to figure out what's happening with all this back and forth between Georgia influence, Mike, very pleasant. Good afternoon to you. How are you? I'm doing Well, Paul. I'm a little confused though. You're saying there's a a back and forth. What's the what's the back? I just I just hear Florida lately, I'm trying to figure that that's what I'm thinking. You know, you're you're right. And I'll tell you why. Because I I saw Kirby's more yesterday and very gingerly brought broach the subject to him. And you know, what he's he doesn't talk about stuff like that. No. He doesn't care. Look. They're focused on championships. Jordan's doesn't have time to worry about the other guy. Listen, I understand what Dan mos- trying to do. You know, he's trying to get everybody excited about four football. And that makes a lot of sense, you know, but I think they should probably talking about Kentucky. They need to be Kentucky for everyday beat Kentucky. Then they, you know, that's who they need to be worried about after they beat Kentucky then they can start talking about George again. You're saying that should be their goal right now. Well, I'm not saying that should be their goal. I'm just talking in reality. You know, you wanna finish in second place in the division. You gotta be able to be Kentucky. They used to do that every year until Dan Mullen got there. I'm not mistaken, right? My missing stuff. Oh, no, no, listen. Let's let's think about that for second grip because you and I can go back in history. And I don't know how many let's see probably there's no telling him any coaches they've been through that. Never. I mean will muschamp never lost to Kentucky. Spurrier obviously never lost to Kentucky even even mcelwain. Never lost to Kentucky. Yeah. So you know, that's what I'm saying. You know, and and I listen, I respect if Pau got gotta be completely transparent with you know. Okay. So I'm I'm out on his time. And I'm sorry. I couldn't do camera day, but I'm on assignment. I'm I'm gonna tell you where I'm at. And it's just the the irony of this interview will blow you away I'm sitting in the living room and pumping obese Florida right now with the best running back in the state of Florida, and he is going to the university of Georgia's names, can you MAC, plus they call them the blueprint, and I'm gonna do an interview with him today. And as Kenny goes to Georgia during the next couple of weeks, he's going to fly over Gamesville. He's gonna fly pass, Dan Mullen, and the roster that has zero five stars on it. And when he when he gets just past games, those go look out the right side of the airplane wave down the Carson Beck. Who is a twenty twenty commit? That is the number one quarterback in Florida who told Dan Mullen. Did not wanna play for him carry dividend Peabo he wants to come to Georgia. So fans can argue all day. Why sports writers can argue all they want. Then at the end of the day. The best players in Florida are coming to Georgia. And they're the ones that are gonna decide these gangs near you. In in in Griffin through your reporting and three your observation. Why do you think that is? Because they've got a championship program. And they've got a a great school. They've got it going the momentum thing, and we've seen coaches that have been able to build that culture. I think that's the key word culture. And I and it wasn't like Mark Rick had a bad cold. I think Mark richt, you know, it's widely respected and widely regarded as is one of the greatest coach of his of his era. No, he didn't win a national championship. But he wanted an incredible cliff. In fact, his clip was right there with Phillip Fulmer at Tennessee. And when you're winning what seventy four percent of your games, and there's no major violations, and certainly Mark richt is a gentleman Georgia was in a pretty good play. And and I thought, you know, jeeze if you're gonna if you're gonna make a change here. There's really not much further. You can go up. I thought Georgia took a big chance but haven't been around Kirby part now for season, and then to his press conferences and interviews the type of players that he's recruiting and see the buying level that he's got they have built a culture. Now. He's. Got a timeframe where he's got to win a championship to keep that buying. But, but I'm telling, you know, talking to Kenny MacIntosh talking to these other guys come they believe, and if Kirby tells play special teams now here if Kirby tells them to block, they're going to do it because they're bought in because of what Kirby has proven in only three seasons. And again, I wanna talk a little bit more about him. Because I think I don't think you can really add anything to what you said about about mulling you pretty well laid that down I respect. That's fine. Checked in mowing. I was you'll see how I was actually doing a little I was reading up on Florida a little bit kind of indirectly. Did you know James Patterson wrote a book on Aaron Hernandez? I did. Really really good read Mon was there them they during that air. So, you know, there's some Florida history there, and and and they were able to win even with you know, some of that stuff going on so Molin is obviously a good coach. And I'm really surprised that he didn't get Mississippi State. Did they play in the SEC championship game user? Let me know. I'm pretty sure Jackie Sherrill went to an SEC champion. He did. He sure. So Dan Mullen didn't to well. You know, what let's just say this fall. He's one heck of a quarterbacks coach Tim tebow is evidence to that. I will say that. Let's let's talk about curvy smart approach because it's cruelly different than some. And and yeah, I I got the feeling yesterday. Mike just talking to him again. I mean here his son of a coach he he understudied Nick Sabin. It's kinda hard to do much better than that. He but on top of that though, he has to be disappointed. He he he knows. He's lost a couple of opportunities. Give us his mindset right now. Great question, and one of the very first one of the things, I know about is the mindset, and I'll never forget we dust and last year right before you, and I visited onset, and I ran into Kirby smart in the hallway he had done his presentation and answered all the questions, which is one thing Kirby. Does that? I really appreciate is he answers the question that's asked of him. And I said coach I said, how do you you know, a couple of guys asked him. You know, how do you ever get over second in twenty six that he ever forget a game? Like that. Why isn't that bother you? And Kirby said Mike, I'm not gonna lose that game play. And I said, what do you mean? He said if I let that bother me or distract me now from what I'm trying to do next season. Then that game has beat me twice. And that that's Kirby mindset, look he's not going to get beat twice, but the twenty seventeen national championship game or some people might say, well, he just did and the SEC title game. But they didn't lose that game because they were still upset about a year ago. They had other. There was a different cast of characters, you know, Sony. Michelle was there was there. Winston there Smith what there was different guys. It wasn't like. Oh, jeez. Georgia doesn't believe that they can beat out. It's not it. It's just good football. It's Hearst coming off the bench and being a great player and towards the losing de'andre Walker to an injury in the third quarter. And all of a sudden, you gotta freshman there doesn't know how to play contain and hurts over there rolling around for fifteen seconds. You know, it's it's a break now, but t to get back to your question. That's Kirby's mindset. I mean, he's he's stoic. When it comes to that sort of thing. It's like there's. No time to look back. You can't let Bill saying you can't steal second with your foot on. I that's that's Kirby's mindset. I want to go back to that game though in in December. And certainly I mean, the bizarre nature of the quarterbacks is I mean, you could search history and not find something quite like that. But, but I've had friends of mine in coaching point to to the fake and say, he let Sabin get inside his head, you know, better than than than most. What what do you think happened there? Well, the same thing happened when they ran a faking it those you the same thing that happened when they ran a fake against Auburn in. And here's what it is. If you want complete buying from your player, you've got to show them that you're completely bought. And now, it's one thing for you guys. I was in all SEC safety, Georgia. That's great coach, the what are you doing now for your buying all those kids practice those special teams ball, they put it. They're asked to put as much into special teams as they are offense and defense into create a my that Kirby told those guys before the game if we get a chance to run it. We're running it. That's the head coach believing in you that's the head coach sticking his neck out for you. He's saying we're going to run this play. If you may not have known this, and I didn't but in the twenty seventeen game Georgia had a fake called against Alabama. It was an option in the punter chose to roll out and punt if the receiver was open he was gonna throw it. So Kirby creates a mind. That by letting these players know, I'm gonna I'm gonna have the courage is a coach to put my judgment in question and run this play. They didn't even care. I've done a story on this. They didn't even care that Alabama new the pick was coming. They put a formation out there that nobody had ever seen. They had. They Alabama did such a tremendous job two things happened. One Justin feels did not net the ball fast enough. And that gave Alabama time to recognize who was where if feels snaps the ball quicker that play work. But as it was young freshman quarterback. The moment was too big. He didn't run the play properly, and it didn't work. Nobody's calling them out. Right. You know, Kirby chose that play. They practice that play every week. So to answer your question. That's why he runs the fate not about Alabama not because he's scared Nick Sabin. But because he creates a mind that within his own team. And if you talked to those players now Paul, and I did they still believe in that call. They don't second guess the coach that by. Mike will let you go back to reporting can't wait to read the article and come back very soon. Remember about the blueprint? You're going to hear more about this kid, Paul. I'm really I'm eager to do. So thanks, Mike. All right. Thank you. My grid is joining us again if you missed the beginning of the call. I think you'll hear this comment over and over again talking about the the back and forth between Georgia in Florida. We have Kirby smart tomorrow on the program talking about his approach versus Dan Mullen, showing off the three Georgia's Florida national championships in yapping about. Georgia not having one one in since nineteen eighty this is what Griffith said after Florida beat Kentucky. They can start talking about Georgia. They used to do that every year until Dan Mullen got there. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Let's go to Columbus, Ohio. Are man. Jeff is calling Knicks. What do you got Jeff? What's going on Paul, Jeff? We are doing great. Thank you. How was your Dale Mr David, man? Well, we were down in Birmingham doing interviews with saving mouthwasHon Kirby. Smart. We had about we did about twelve interviews. We will have tomorrow for the show. That's nice. That's nice Hayes was just on tedious idea or the head Chilean. Georgia. What's that guy's name my Griffith? Is that the same guy that used to be the head cheerleader, Tennessee? He was he wasn't an acolyte for Butch Jones. I do remember that don't you? Yeah. I mean that guy is he's supposed to be a media member reporting. I mean, the guy whenever school he's all the the full use askew about Butch Jones was going to get over the hump at Tennessee. I mean, he's on believable. I never short such a homeless guys that his I mean, actually this Jeff. Would you differentiate him with many others in the media these days who who write for fan websites? Yes. Okay. I would never see a guy like him may or somebody up here like that basically through chats at the other coaches and stuff I think as soon was was all that taking shots and stuff like that sound a line for guy that's writing for breath at school's website, or whatever, you know, his website, or whatever I mean. And how could he go from one school to the other like that? But within the same division of a conference that makes no sense. Well, you know, I have a theory. Maybe I maybe I'm either to close to it or too far removed. I don't know really which one, but I think I think without getting specific on on Griffith. I think it's indicative of the media today that that digital has taken over things to such a degree that if you don't get people to read your stuff or to talk about it or Decem. Eight it here or elsewhere. You will not last very long, and you can interpret that anyway you want and I'm not you. I've been bored with that boy been talking to you about that for the last two years Yano. I mean this Elise. The Lord in this guy. I mean, they just you stuff out there and see if it sticks. I mean, if if if it if it does like you say resonated with the fan base their writing about it doesn't matter. That's what set me so much last year about the urban Meyer saying because guys opinions or taking sacks. I mean, come on. This goal is up there. Spewing stuff of that Georgian toward his opponent and people are listening to this. And there's there's thinking this guy knows what he's talking about any all he's doing is trying to get clicks listeners of your life. How does how does this differ from everything else in the media nowadays? Whether it's cable news or or cable sports, it doesn't. And that's what I've been talking to you about that the media ESPN. It's all about guys opinions. But people try to take him as fact, and they're gonna listen I'll put on something I'm not gonna name the shows. But I'll put something on in at some point in the morning just to get a at least a perspective on what has happened. And you can't you you you absolutely cannot find out what happened right? If it's a it's over the top. I still get you know, but hey, come when you have a guest host on won't be guys supposedly quit the show seem to want to call in. When the when the when the substitute teachers in the house. I mean is that as Jim when they're talking to you? Now, you got can I mean if you can say, much control your? That that he knows cleanline- when the substitute teachers in. Yeah. No. I don't know. I mean, obviously, I didn't hear the show yesterday. But I heard our boy called in. I don't know what he said. What did he say? Yeah. I didn't really miss a Coon either. Did not worse listening to. But he sure can call him in the substitute teachers in and the and the and the main guys out, but and then I wonder if Larry from Shelby don't even come on Larry Jones's in Larry quit the show because he wasn't treated, right. Remember, he he had one of his boys? Call it a couple of days later, and he was not happy with the way we was treated because ki-be was giving him a hard time about the Alabama game. So Larry has done what he always does he quit. So Larry's quick he's quit the show about twenty times. And you know, what we don't really care. I mean, he's a good caller. We like to talk to him. But you know, we're not we, you know, we don't have a welcome wagon service that goes around neighborhoods trying to talk callers into calling the show again if you don't want to call that makes room for somebody else. That's right. And then you can take shots of me about the buckeyes. I'll just I'll just keep coming back and take more shots. I mean, that's just the way. That's what it's all about. Isn't it? Listen, he's a quitter. What else? Can you say? Right. I I just wanted to get the facts, right? 'cause I just didn't know what to believe that lesson that Griffith guy all over the board was what does torture. You know, being a Homer and all this humor. Just didn't make sense to me. But you're the good listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. So for weeks we've been waiting for this trial in New York and finally ended with a predictable verdict yesterday. But what does it really mean? Gary perish opining today in his column on CBS sports had much to say. And always a great thrill for me to welcome Gary Parrish to the show. Gary. It's good to have you on really enjoyed what you did in that piece. And for those who haven't read it or really don't know what all this is about. Let's start with the trial the verdict. And and and really what happened because I mean, I was lead, and you are leading we all were led to believe this. Was going to be a seismic change in college basketball. It doesn't seem like anything really happened. It was wild to go back last night and read a lot of the stuff that was written and said back in September two thousand seventeen when these arrests arrests were initially made, and June Kim, the acting attorney general in the southern district of New York held this press conference where he announced to the world that he's got the playbook of dirty college basketball coaches, and even you know, instructed, you know, people who are operating, you know, outside of the rule book or law that they'd be smart to call him. Because you don't want us call the you essentially saying we're about to wreck the sport and all the dirty programs that certainly what he suggested certainly the way he presented himself. And here we are. Now, nearly two years later everybody who was arrested has now either been convicted or flee plead guilty to federal crimes, and I guess that's interesting. But it's no heavy hitters at all. It's it's minimal players. I mean mine are players in a corrupt system. Like who? Really cares. If Moore code and Christian doctrines are found guilty of anything. They seem to suggest that they were going to expose some of the biggest programs and coaches in the sport, and they did that to some degree. But if you and I are talking right now, there were still only one head coach who lost his job because of anything connected to this. And that's Rick Pitino. We'll wait. It's still the coach at LSU. Shawn Miller still the coach Zona they'll sell to still the coach K this. And it really does feel like the federal government based on the way it presented things in September two thousand seventeen they way over promised way under deliver. Listen, let's let's say the the feds out of it for a second the Gary. But based on what what you know? And you watch this very closely from your purchased at CBS sports on TV Enda on. Digital platforms should those three coaches. Remain employed, still they should have jobs after what we think, we know. I mean, I think Bill self maybe because he actually does have plausible deniability like even TJ gas. No, the Adidas consultant when he was asked under oath. If they'll sell knew he was out there. Buying players for canvas TJ gas. Nola, testified Bill had no idea and nothing to do with it. Now, you can choose to believe that or not. But at least Bill can always say they had TJ gas Nola on the stand under oath. He had no motivation to lie. In fact, he had every reason to tell the truth, and he said I had nothing to do with it. I think Bill is fine. And we'll be fine. But we'll wait is on a wiretap expressing frustration that he's made a quote strong s offer for a of prospect, and he was upset that the prospects. Handler hadn't accepted the offer yet. And the reason he figured out the offer had not been accepted. Yet was because will decided to cut the family in too much in the handler in not enough. He then goes on to explain that. He's done bills. Like this before for players that are just as good, and they weren't nearly as complicated as this one is turned out to be and I know that will subsequently denied wrongdoing to his bosses at LSU. And that's why he got reinstated. But there's just no believable story. And I say this as somebody who likes we'll wait and his known him for a long time. But there's just no believable story that explains the way the words that were caught on that wiretap. So I'm frankly surprised he's still the coaching at LSU and with Shawn Miller. It's just crazy to be. I mean every coach that was on his staff during this time period has been accused in some form of of rules violations. One has been arrested charged with federal crimes pleads guilty to federal crime. And it's also caught on FBI recordings of not only admitting that he was buying players so much so that he was nearly broke from spending his own money on them. But telling you know, Christian Dawkins that Shawn Miller balked de'andre Eytan in Raleigh Aachen, then was paying eight and family ten thousand dollars a month. You know, just from a common sense perspective. We know that there was a market for Andrea. Because he was arguably the best prospect in the country. We know Adidas was trying to buy him for canvas. There's no believable story that has him going to Arizona for nothing in two different people are caught on FBI recording saying, in fact, he didn't go to Zona for nothing. He went to Arizona for a lot of money and shown Miller was directly involved. I don't understand how a university could continue to employ somebody who runs a program with all of the stuff. I just described attached to it. But on the other hand, he does have the number one recruiting class in America set to enro-, and you know. Sometimes outweighs larger issues when it comes to deciding whether you want to basketball coach or not, obviously, let me go back to shoot for second and agree with you. And we'll way but not not only does the administration seemed to be all in you have a new athletic director, Scott Woodward who say, well, he's the coach until he's not. But it just doesn't seem like they care and even beyond that now realize fans are fans, but the fans just get the become outraged when when someone suggests something else, and I I'm maybe because I swim in the SEC waters. You keep expecting someone to say something. And by the way, it forget you. We haven't heard anyone whether it's a Commissioner of the SEC, whether it's college presidents, whether it's athlete directors. No one seems to act like this is a big deal. No. And you know, and now the instable a they'll continue to investigate I'm certain that LSU at era Zona at Kansas at some other programs. But the way is not. Great at investigating this stuff. They don't have subpoena power. They don't have access to people who don't wanna talk to them. Like all of the players who are who are alleged to have been involved in pay per place game whether it said, Aaron or LSU or anywhere else. They're all out of college. Now, they're not going to talk to you Christian Dawkins is not going to talk to the institute of lay. And so I don't know that the incident lay is going to be able to take these issues any further than they already are. And you're exactly right. The silence from administrators or the the cliche statement said me nothing is is a terrible terrible. Look and from the fan's perspective. You're exactly right like fans, get outraged. If you suggest that maybe you should think about changing your basketball code because fans are fans, and I you know, I understand that. But I guess where I sort of draw the line because I'm a fan of things myself. My advice to phase would be like. If you want to say, I don't care that my basketball coach my basketball program was cheating because I assume most great basketball programs are eating like, I can I can get down with that. And then nod my head and respected on some level. Just don't be dumb about it. You know, don't try to pretend. This is what Arizona fans are doing right now more so than any fan base. They really do think that their head coach has done nothing wrong. And there's just so much evidence. To the contrary it really is impossible for sensible person to reach that conclusion in in. Finally, I hear this all the time and from this was coming from mainly LSU fans. I don't talk to too many Zona fans, but they essentially say, hey, why should we get in trouble North Carolina got off? And I know that's connecting rather strange dots. But that seems to be one of the themes out there. Yeah. Well, North Carolina got off. There's a loophole in the rule book, you know, as long as they wouldn't acknowledge. You know academic misconduct academic flawed. Then the incident ablaze in no position to charge them with academic frothy. Inside of lake can't tell North Carolina that it had far, Jaylen classes, all North Carolina would ever admit to was that they had easy classes, but it's not a violation have easy classes, especially when non athletes, take those classes. So I agree with the general sentiment that it's insane. That North Carolina was funneling processed student athletes into these sham classes and keeping them eligible to win basketball title after basketball title, but they got off because they had great lawyers, and they found a loophole in the rule book at LSU like it's just never been a defense. Whether you're dealing with the incident of leg or a policeman who pulls you over on the interstate. Hey, I know I was going ninety in seventy but that other car was going ninety in seventy two will that's there's still going to write you tickets, and you're gonna. Have to move on like other people do this. We think and get away with it is not an a good defense for you. When you get caught. I don't believe for a second. That will wait is the only head coach who's broken level one rules. I don't even believe is the only one in the SEC, but he just happens to be the one who's caught on a wiretap talking about it. And that's why LSU is in the position. It's in right now, you mentioned Miller's recruiting what about Wade. Does. It does as it seemingly had any impact at all on him. I know he's still in for one of the top players in in the south. It's still available. Yeah. He seems to be the favorite for five star prospect print 'em Wofford out of these state of Alabama. And so I guess the answer the question is is no it hasn't had a real impact. I think the most surprising thing is like Arizona. Literally right now has the number one recruiting class in America. Even though it's still not crystal clear that show Miller is going to survive this scandal. And it's undeniable that Arizona's. Going to be hit by the AA in some form. Even if they can't tie directly to Shawn Miller, you know, the postseason ban type stuff is certainly on the table for Arizona. And yet he's still been able to secure one way or another, you know, five star prospect after five star prospect of will seems to be picking up right where he was before the scandal ever surfaced as well. So I guess, you know, we talk all the time about the fans don't care about this stuff. Maybe it's also true that prospect don't seem to carry either because the same schools that were getting the best players before any arrest was ever made September two thousand seventeen here. We are in may two thousand nineteen and those same schools are getting the best players again. Unbelievable. Gary barrett. I'm sure the NCAA will appoint another blue ribbon commission to solve all your problems. They're great. They're great at coming up with committee. They don't know that the committee's ever accomplished much, but they can they can put committee together pretty quickly. Great to you on Gary, always always fun sees him. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you. To listening to Paul finebaum show podcast. One thing that we have heard here over the last couple of weeks is just how great Florida is doing in fact after having visited there a couple of weeks ago, I came back sensing a major paradigm shift all the the back and forth of swagger was back. But in the last couple of days things have changed in our next guest. Matt Baker has taken a deep dive into that writing in the Tampa Bay times met always great to have you on. It's before we get to deepen the analysis. Let's talk about the build up, and how we got to this point before the before things have changed because Dan Mullen has has done a remarkable job. Good afternoon. Hey, all thanks for having me on. Yeah. You're you're exactly right. I think the first year and a half or so for for moan at Florida went pretty darn well. It's first recruiting class. Was was good enough. Given the circumstances. Then he goes out and wins ten games in the peach bowl, which is far out seeded, my expectation, then he goes and gets a top ten recruiting class in February and closes really well getting you'll that that George wanted getting the guy in Florida that Bama one the things seem to have been going pretty darn well, and then it kinda worth it all unraveled in the last week and a half. I think that's too strong. But the last week and have been really really rough for Mullen indicators. Okay. Well, let's take them one at a time because they have been they they it's been hard to keep up with them, including what has transpired today. Yeah. Yeah. The the first one was was Jalen Jones the blue chip early enrolling quarterback. He got a week and a half ago that he was entering the transfer portal. Then we broke the story that a couple of weeks before then just before the before the spring game. He had been accused of two separate sexual battery by two different women to half an hour apart both women claim to pursue charges. But, you know, they're still university aspect, and I'm still not entirely clear. What else weird I'd is in the process, but regardless of football perspective, he's never gonna play the game at Florida on than they had a five star running back and lakeland that they thought they were gonna get, but he ended up committing Clinton did. But then they had Brian Edwards defense tape backup defensive back is rested on the complaint of a misdemeanor battery the other day heard of grabbing his girlfriend by the net. And then today it comes out officially that. Chris steele. Who was their top route the twenty nineteen class four star defensive back is pursuing a transfer as well in a couple of hours after that. They lost out on number ten over over crew in the class, the twenty twenty one who had been committed to Florida, so bang, bang, bang bang. That's been the last week and a half in Gainesville. Meanwhile, we have spent a lot of time here talking about the reaction from Georgia on all the trash talking. And that was before most of this was known. I don't know if it's going to affect anything, but has has Molin had anything to say, I know we had lots of say when he got some of these players committed. He's he's been quiet for for the last bit. But obviously he's head his handful. I mean when one of their players is accused of sexual battery as Jones was I think you feel that you've gotta be able to wrap your head around and figure out what happened and what didn't happen and then with Chris fuel transfer. You know, he's we don't have to transfer portal where you can enter the portal. But until you go somewhere else, there's the possibility for return. So I don't know that Florida thinks they're going to get Christie back. But I think today they've been trying to do what they can't it to officially keep him from leaving. If there's anything that can be done if that Grinch can be mended at all. But it's kind of funny. I think fan when things are going, well, especially at Florida they like coach like Steve Spurrier who has a little bit of attitude in his fine. Take Chirpin a little bit and taking shots arrivals. But when things aren't going well like they are right now in Gainesville. You see the other side of that. Really interesting stuff met from a recruiting standpoint. Let's delve into it a little bit. Because what does this mean to that momentum? Because everyone talked about the ranking now you lose guys who played a pretty big role in in in getting that ranking. Yep. Flute and it's not good. There's no other way to spend it there. They had a according to the two four seven four composite ranking porta had the number nine recruiting class in the country in twenty nineteen. He take away. Jalen Jones, and Christy. They're down to fourteen which is actually where they were in loans first class and three spots lower than they were in Jim mcelwain final class. So to me, that's the kind of sign that things aren't going. Well, and to the biggest thing you mentioned Georgia, and rightfully so Georgia's obviously been the king of the and Florida's been trying to to make that ground up Georgia had more talent than Florida when they met at the world's largest after a cocktail party since then Georgia signed a better recruiting class in Florida. And now you take away two of the Gators blue. Guys from that class. In addition to a missing twenty twenty and a decommissioned twenty twenty one so career Bart Scott at rolling up there in Athens into gap has at least talent gap on the field has widened in the last week and a half. Not to go back to Mullins, I tour duty Gainesville. But but books, and documentaries, and and more than I can even fit into the segment have been written about some of the issues there from a disciplined standpoint, I'm not blaming Dan Mullen, he was an assistant you have to look at what he did at Mississippi State as a head coach. But but now the discipline has has reared its ugly head. Is this going to be an issue moving forward, especially on the recruiting trail? That's a really good question that I don't have an answer to yet. I mean, Brian Edwards. Again, he was the one arrested on on a battery complaint the other day. I he wasn't a guy that Mullin recruited. So I think you don't you know, you kind of take that into consideration. But Jalen Jones was a guy that that Mullin recruited that Mullen wanted is part of his, you know, his quarterback in the twenty nineteen class and wanted him to enroll early so you definitely have to take that into account. But there's still a ton that I don't know about those two accusations of sexual battery. We we've I've right through the police reports many many times but jail, you know, I don't know. Jalen this side of the story. There's things in there that are still not entirely clear to me. And I don't know if they ever will be. So I don't have a good answer yet on what this means in terms of how disappointing and we'll discipline. You know, certainly as part of Mullins pacifists stayed the Jeffrey Simmons thing is part of his past. And who he is coach in his track record. That's never going to go away. So I think that's always something that you can you kind of keep in the back of your mind when you're. Talking about Dan Mullen, indisciplined aside from that. And I realized we're talking about some of the issues, but even even a number nine ranking, which may officially or unofficially officially be at fourteen. Now, it just seems low for the university of Florida. What's your view of volunteer recruiting approach? And and and how does he close that gap even more because number nine great. But he's still seems to be coming up fairly short on on the very top shelf players the five stars here, absolutely right halt. Because he's not any completely Schweik Florida does not have single five star on its roster wishes. Still astounding to me, and I think Georgia signed I think five with the official number and this last class. So obviously, he he's even created fine. But find doesn't win championships. We know that you need a higher level guys in a bunch of them like like Bama, and like Clemson and like Georgia had been getting. So how did he close that gap? I think the first thing he has to do is do a better job of recruiting the the state of Florida. He's done fine. But not good enough. And certainly part of that is I n g academy down in Bradenton. They continue to have a tone of delete guys every single year and Florida's not getting him. It's been a years long problem that goes back to the Jim mcelwain era your ton of potential reasons why. But if Mullins going to recruit at a high level nationally starts in this state, and if he's going to recruit at a high level in the state of Florida, it really starts at IMG academy and a couple other. That's one of the bridges and needs to be sixty four going gonna challenge for national championships again, really gross stuff. Matt baker. Thank you, Matt. Really? It's nice it first of all it's great to hear reporter doing real reporting these days as opposed to typically typical. Nice nice to have you on. Hope you come back. You gotta take the ball, by the way, not to make too much. Just think about what Matt said there in the in the in the manner in the demeanor that he had versus some of the people we've had covering other teams in recent days or hours, I might add. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. Lesson Naples, Florida. You are next up on the air. Go right ahead. Hey, paul. Thanks much for taking my call. Thank you. You probably remember me. I coach once in about nineteen ninety six when I lived in Birmingham. And then I also have bought one of your books on Amazon one time. So we go way back. I was curious. You know, we're talking about the Denver station swear towards some punishment. And when when when players you don't get in trouble in that time of the year where you know, sometimes things go wrong. And some of the coming months, we'll see different coaches treat different, you know, circumstances in a wide variety of ways players get kicked off teams players get second chances. And I was just curious what it would be like to talk to players that are, you know, ten fifteen years out of having an through a circumstance of trouble and how they feuded on him. You're the coach Lawrence and strict, and it made them better or made them worse in life later on. And there's never been any discussion that you had or their books or any other shows that have kind of a look back on, you know, more disciplined is better or wider discipline is better. I'm just curious about you know, kind of out. Comes. Here's later for players when they get in trouble. I wish I could give you some anecdotal evidence. Most of the time in this goes way back to recent players who have been disciplined. Usually learn from it. And I think it's common sense. You could you could apply this to to parenting or discipline or lack of discipline in any in any Walker phase of life, those who get away with it continued to do that behavior you hear saving in other great coaches talk about it all the time. They're they're they're not it's not so much punishment that they've you. They're just trying to to alter behavior incorrect behavior in and it's it's very basic and those who do usually have good results and those who don't pay for it in the end. And by the way, that's individually and as a team. Well, you you make good points. I guess forever. There's plenty of you know, Keith McKean stories out there where things never got back on trial. And I'm sure there's lots of other great stories where players, you know, hair room, and they did come back up by. I appreciate you taking my call. I was just kind of curious about that. Yeah. I think it was great to hear from you. I I think it's really interesting. So you mentioned Keith McCann's, and I would say Kifah cancer would would rank among the saddest stories ever. Here's a guy who was an all everything linebacker growing up in mobile, Alabama, and he went to Alabama and did fairly. Well, there think he was the fourth player taken the draft. And and just some of the stories I've read about it. I think I've talked to Keith once or twice he may have called in. He may be listening right now. But just just absolutely tra- tragic. What what he did to himself? And by the way, you you hear. I mean, those stories are are not. Are not that rare. I mean, I I ran into a former NFL player today who played, you know, fourteen years in the NFL, and at a very high low at the highest possible level, and and that, and that's the I in you, don't I mean, there are a lot of those stories, but unfortunately, you you hear about the ones of players who are destitute, and you know, what why does that happen in part of it happens because fans don't care. I want to go back to Gary Perry said a few minutes ago, and I'm not I'm not singling out. LSU here or Arizona or anyone else. But but fans have gotten to a point just like followers political parties were they don't care anymore about right or wrong or integrity. They just care about winning. They just care about keeping the players eligible. If somebody makes an accusation against their guy or their team fightback. I mean, I'm a I'm a big watcher politics on television. Same way doesn't matter. I listen, I don't care which part of your your your with it. It it's gotten so partisan and that has now slipped over into athletics. Maybe it's been there for a long time. I just seem to hear it a lot more now. But if if some buddy comes out with an accusation against your team you want to react you want to kill that guy. You want to shoot the messenger as opposed to say as opposed to saying, man. Maybe we need to clear clean this up. Maybe we need to replace the coach maybe we need to replace the athletic director or the president or the board of trustees. But instead everyone wants to shoot the messenger. He's a hack. He does note he's talking about. Remember, what happened with Brittany Murphy last year, you heard it today from our buddy up in in Ohio. No credibility. I mean when was the last time one of your your favorite teams or your favorite players were attacked? And you said, you know, what that's really interesting. That's not good. You just got through listening to Scott. Matt Baker on who laid out a very clear comprehensive. Analysis of Dan Mullins, recruiting it all of a sudden things are going wrong. He's not the only one I just saw a story in the ethnic talking about the five star recruit his exit mysterious circumstances growing drama. That's what news media out about. I haven't heard any. I have yet to hear a gator fan in our audience, call up and say, you know, what this is a serious problem. Instead, all they do is pontiff Kate. And and speculate it's been eight million days since Georgia last one national championship. We've yet to hear gator fan. Call in and say, I wonder if we have a problem why is that? During the whirlwinds thing, we never heard one LSU fan say, you know, what maybe we have a problem I've covered Alabama being investigated attack the messenger and when attacking the messenger does a work. Call the NC double A Gestapo organization, which many did during one of the investigations that. I mean, I'm not saying we're not a part of that here. We are. We're talk show. We're heard all over the country. A lot of people call in and spew intelligent takes. And spew nonsense. But when was the last time you heard a fan a zealot of a program one of those who've been calling in running their mouths about. Dan, Mullen, follow the call and the conversation with Matt Baker minute ago, saying, you know, what that's a wonder why I wonder what's going on down there. That's a problem. Why is that you don't want to admit that your best recruit? Is gone. Your second bet. Recruit is gone. You're all Osho important ranking. Has left you. You're no longer number nine in the twenty four seven you're down to fourteen. You don't wanna admit that. Because that affects your argument about everything else. Why is that? Still haven't heard from the gator fan. I'm an always great to hear from you. Good evening. Afternoon. You know, when you say, this is probably one of the finest collections of coaches across the eight this e c all fourteen teams. Doing the best. They can right now. Getting catch your bear. What's your point? Whether it's fairly confident in their their building for the future, the ones that are building in the ones that are maintaining the maintain their will. And we say the future is bright in which each coaches, and I think what Jim called yesterday was because you know, Matt was talking about the some top twenty five coaches list, and he named alpha bunch coaches to me, and I said, no, no, no. And he finally, you know to replace mile zone, and he finally got to an seek coach. And I said, well, yeah. And it wasn't it. I would change on for another coach. It's just that that particular coach understands, you know, recruiting and playing football competitive football in the SEC, the with the schedules that everybody faces you know, I was looking at Alabama schedule some people say, well, that's a cream puff scheduled maybe cream puff schedule. But how many teams do you think across the country and all these other conferences could play. Mississippi state. Oh, miss Arkansas. Auburndale issue AM. In their schedule and be competitive. I'm not sure. But anyhow he thought that that was delusional that one day that that coach saving might retire because of health, and he might regret, you know. He might be we've seen it in the past. Bobby Bowden different coaches, they stayed a little bit too long. They got real competitive in their conferences, and they they were coming retired for themselves. If you will he thought all that was delusional fan speak, and that's why Jim called him. Because Jim, you know, he needs in needs breath of fresh air night. Jim needs to go out and ping. Have you have you ever? I mean is it possible for you? Why why why are why are you so concerned about Jim because you brought up a conversation? I didn't I didn't say I man I want you to call remember respond to it. I just I didn't know you didn't say that. But you brought conversation until I I'd heard that I heard that I had heard that he was complimenting your call. But apparently I had that wrong. Who met? Hear about man talking about Jim no gyms gyms. Jim is Jim. That's why go and then he call because you weren't there. And then I'm just following topic. You throw it out there just responded. That's all. I mean, if you need listen if you need somebody to run over in your car today. I mean, I in in your. Since I didn't hear yesterday's call them not gonna let it bother me. 'cause I I don't know one way or the other. But in you say you call every day, right? I didn't say a call every day. Do you call every day or not? Not every day. But you pretty quit being a quick being quickly. Dumber than than the sounding right now. I on average how many times would you say you call a week. Three and a half. Okay. Of those three and a half times has eighty of the have any of those calls. Not had a shot at Alabama shot at gym or shot at the at saving. Well, when when can you can you can you state rate, can you give me give me a single that either? You didn't read from a either you didn't read from a script or you didn't take her shot at one of those three people. When was the last time? Can you give me that? Can you give me the date? I listen, I'm following your topic the day before you left, you said he was going to test glues you go talk to save and and you were going broadcasts. Now, we'll do it tomorrow. Like, I said nineteen times onto the shape to listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast over under two and a half years. More saving coaches. I would think the somewhere there abouts under right at I I'd say under because I think he's outta there. Under drew over under two and a half years. Saving coaches over. I'm going over. I think that just whistle listening from you ended. No, no. It's not wishful thinking, I just don't see them dragging him out our Bama like they did Bobby Bowden at Florida state, and it's going to happen because he's not going to leave. They're gonna have to make him leave. He's always good. Hang on to say, you just said you think he'll stay less than two and a half years, and he won't leave on his own. You think Alabama's go fire Nick Sabin in two years, then they're not gonna have any choice because she. You. I mean, you believe they will fire Nick Sabin in the next two years. The guys losing it. I tell you. They have a good phone this year. I mean tell you I've listened to sports radio my whole life. I've hosted and I like you. I'm end, you know, I like you. And I like you that is the dumbest point that has ever been made wars. Right. Knowing know, how did you make you know, why? Because I believe that's the way it's going to go down. Well, what a great call yesterday by man. What what what also a lion call? He had today in in Russia. Well, I'm very shocked to keeping brought out where it could be exposed as as absolute truth. And what happened in fact, and I appreciate Dan playing playing that right there, you earn. It. You heard we own Alabama ears. Even though you live in South Carolina or wherever you live now. That's exactly so you know, that provoked me, but yon the ceiling, and I called, and I said met the guy is a food. He's been a food. He's been a, you know foul, you know, you asked him how come every time I'll get into you. I'll bet you it's recorded every call. He's made in his life on this show. Ninety five percent of them have been after I called for gets me some negative live just like he did while ago, but thing is is a complete food. He's a hater. That's what he is. He hates me. He hates bomber. He hates anybody that superior to his interior middle. Bill delusional cramp. That's that guy is sick guy. And he's a jealous guy. But I'm glad this happened. Because it exposed what a fraud one of phone, and would I lie as you just said this PU is you heard him say saving would be gone. He wouldn't be made. This guy is a clans ball. You know, what he was? But you play with him for years because he I guess excite some of the pricking idiots. Listen. I don't know. But I'm glad this happened. Just going, you know, you you heard his inability to answer a straight direct question. No. He can't do it. Because he he's gonna last all these he's I didn't get to these ball. And that's that's the royals. Also threw him off his script. Look, you could do this every day, and it would be a good show. And this is what you used to do you used to do that all the time when shaded I and even Bobby you'd expose Bobby like, it, sometimes that's where the show was great when you expose these frogs they phone Z liars. And now, you know, but thank goodness. You get you. Did it today for the first time? I think in I don't know how long it's been years that you've done something. Like this go down when you pit books. That's what he is. He's a bit book. I don't know. I'm just again. I'm just telling it like it is you told me, I'm a straight shooter. No. That's what that's what we want. We. I thought so but this is good because everybody now sees what that phony crowd is about lying and hate. I don't hate anybody. I don't hate you. I just I just don't like liars deceiver and frogs, and I'm like Trump I'll bite back when I get bit. Hey, by the way, I interviewed tubby yesterday. We'll play it tomorrow. Oh, I love time. Where is he told me his entire I said, so what's your what's your what are you? What are you running on these dr- Donald Trump? That's all he talked about does. He does he want my support. I mean, he he's he said we'll play the interview he said if Donald Trump does go does get elected. I I don't want to be a Senator. Told you one time I talked. I said what's the five years ago? I said, well what's going on with us? But he was here it, and, you know, he knew house dot gov who show so he made a big all of a sudden one day in the mail. I told you this. I didn't ask for nothing. I I wouldn't I wouldn't even have Elvis's autograph. And he was he rolled mine. But I'm telling you here comes invoked big rope. What do you call it fast mail deal comes in the knock on the door picture autograph about ups? Like I wanted it. Like, I asked Lord what you know. What I did. I hung it up and looked at it all day every day and not wait could the it somewhere in my house. Now, I don't know where it is. But I shouldn't say that. But I pretty state the photo there. I am out of line saying that thank you time for the phone. If you got any more since morale, take it wasn't. We'll go visit him in Washington. Exactly. All right. This is a great go. Thank you very much. Thank you. Jim. Jim lane on listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. John is up next in Huntsville, Alabama. Hello, john. Hey, Paul, thanks for taking my call. Thank you, very. Yeah. Look ball, man. I know my opinion don't mean anything, but I've been listening to you. So she won't jocks in Birmingham AM station. Yes, they're Endo. I really I just think sometimes I think you export Jim. I really do. I think GM, and I and look man, I'm not a college educated guy have nothing no about mental health. But I know this gives a very insecure, and I don't like bow polar. I don't know. But I just think it's time to take advantage of that, man. Sometimes you go from a man your show has been fantastic today. The guest you've had and the college you've had. And then you go to Jim someone's like, you go from a fantastic informative show to Jerry Springer. And I I just I tell you it really turns me off. And I know why I've probably represent very small portion of your audience and always T tomorrow and all this t to they quit. But I just don't think it's right to tro GM or not not saying you do but callers and. Because. I just I just I just think mental health is a serious issue. And I just don't think. I I don't know. I'm not smart say say, well, okay. John. Let me let me let me stop. Okay. First of all. We have had a good show today. We we've got into some various topics, and and I I'm not I I really appreciate what you said. No, it's heartfelt. And I I'm thinking about what you what you're saying right now because it's not so much intent to to exploit him. It's it's just it was more. It was really the I man call. They got me going. It wasn't the gym call. I felt like, but but I I can't tell listen, that's how you feel. That's how this is being disseminated than I've got to think about what we do here with look at this. Like, I say, I remember, in fact, I read you Berman I'm from host. And I I would read your Birmingham post herald articles, and before you went on radio right eleven and I'm not saying, I'm expert you Paul but Paul finebaum, man. You're you're fabric of my life. You know, you know, come two o'clock. I drive a truck for wherever I stream Paul fan ball. And and therefore respect you always we'll, but I just feel like the GM things get little carried away. We'll join you help me because I don't want to do that that my we first of all we don't need to do that on this program. You you you you've described the the history of the show we've been on a long time. And before I ever did the first radio show. I I did what I was in newspaper guy. So. We're we're we're not doing this to save the save the show, and there's no reason for us to to to resort to anything that sounds like a cheap trick. I didn't see it that way. But I'll, but I'll talk to our guys and see what they thought Powell. Thank you so much and have a great day. How appreciate it John. You'd be safe out there on the roads. Okay. Let's we have X exploitation is when we we try to have fun here. I mean, this is a long show every day and a lot of you are getting off work or you're doing something else. And I mean, there's enough dreariness up and down the the television and radio dial. So that's what I mean. I found Jim to be entertaining. He's a straight shooter whether you like it or not and today, I thought he made a lot of sense. You're listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. We have Tim Brando with us in that is the gift that keeps on giving. Timmy, b it's been too long. How are you? My man. Only today. So I'm fired up and ready to go. You know, I'm usually a little more spicy when I'm just with you on the radio. All yeah. Tim, listen. I I don't you know with you. I don't even I don't even wanna waste a subject. I just wanted to just turn the machine on. Well, look, I think this I now I don't have to do what you do on a daily basis anymore, and frankly, I want no part of it. But I'm always giving and caring to those that do have to do what you do every day, and it's not easy to do four hours of of radio each day or three hours of radio. And when you had the television platform, are you really really doing radio Justice or TV Justice. I don't know. But I know this you're working hard to do both. So God bless you for it. I'm here to provide a public service for the Paul finebaum network today came here we are in. We're we're working our way toward the middle of may the conversations remain the same. And and I I someone who has done it and has done this at the highest level. I'm really interested in in your view of the whole thing. And it goes from the interactions of fans. To the coaches to the way the media now covers I mean, there is a lot to chew on here in the middle of may. Well, once the tornadoes left here and headed to Alabama and Mississippi where you are. You're hope everyone's okay in and around of those states because we we were cleaning up a lot here at home and had some major Florence. And we're hoping that we don't get another wave of it tonight. Matter of fact, I was listening to your sell on the podcast as I was walking the golf course today because occurrences close me guests standing water. Oh, did I was getting my power walk in? We should not eating. And I thought I'd do that instead of the treadmill, and I was listening to your conversation with one of your callers about a previous guests that you had on like that or is writer now for a website. Yeah. My end your your accuracy on that. And the perception that you're caller head with regard to that is I think the major of that we have just with the narrative daily not just in sports, but obviously news, and now it really has spilled over into sports tries might I think we both come from an idealistic baby boomer generation that used to say, well, I I'm getting away from that. And going into sports because it's the toy department. I don't want to deal with the grim realities of life. Well, guess what? Now sports has become such a part of the entertainment value of our country because the entertainment business has gone to hell in a hand basket. So now, we're looking to live sports. And commenting on the drama around live sports to supplant what you know, the Dean Martin Jerry Lewis debate was about in the late fifties and early sixties when they broke up, you know, who's better Martin Lewis. That's that's what's happened in our country. Call and we seem to have the same conversation. Maybe different names involved, different coaches, different players, different scandals different circumstances. The stories remain the same. And I think it was you that was what's quoted as saying people don't necessarily people may be sports fans, but they don't prefer talking about sports over talking about other people. So people talking about other people seems to be still invoked. That's one thing that has stayed with us. I think since gates is that people do prefer talking about other people than really sports themselves. In gym. I do think the lines are crossed. I think people flip from FOX to CNN MSNBC SPN. And I it's it's it's just one screaming conversation after the other with partisanship. That that there? I am by the way, I'm not begging for the day when you know, we we do right down the middle. But, but I I think I think sports is worse than than the news channels. These days can be it can be the the post draft narrative. Really? Oh was sickening to me. I just was sickening to me. I mean, what Daniel Jones dude, anybody my God. So that's he's a serial killer. You know, what's really that bad and poor Archie manning? He's sitting at home. I'm sure enjoying things and happy that you know, one of the kids that was in his past academy manage to to be I stick with the giants. And that is is who is going to get the tutoring. And all of a sudden there's this vast manning empire conspiracy that moved this kid up to number six in the draft list. I mean what you know, just I mean charges of the decision being race really all that is out there. And by the way, I'm not pointing fingers at any one individual. That's doing the commentating here. It was across every network anybody. That's got a draft show was talking about and it it's just it. It becomes really bothersome. So you say, okay, I'm going to find a movies your blazing. Saddles sounds good. I'll put that DVD back in. Whenever you get really upset with our culture today. I was just a long at the in Dallas at the father Nelson celebrity onto they do have a good day of golf on Tuesday. Dallas national before the rain screaming and and the tornadoes in such Wednesday morning, and I saw Bubba. Gilliam? Burton Bubba Gilliam who was in blazing saddles. And of course, was one of the five offices at Utah in that movie about honeymoon in Vegas. And and Bubba is one of the all-time great character actors and he used to play in the Kenny stabler classic all the time mother's day weekend down at on clear. We were having a great time. And I told him he said, Tim, you have no idea how big glazing saddles is every year. I man. That's when I when I met you in the early nineties blazing saddles wasn't that big. I said well the same was candy. She Caddyshack was, you know, a B movie when it came out and then twenty five years later, you know, you're not. Oh, man if you didn't watch Kevin shit. Search through. Hey, by the way, I'm glad you took over there. Because I was about to indict my own network because I was Ellsworth through Paul. It was everywhere that day the morning after the draft. I basically had to turn the television off where I was working at this morning, and I looked up and you should the Lakers trade LeBron. I'm like what? That was Stephen a Smith lead item. I mean help et must it be when you're to this deep appoint in your playoffs and you still can't make game five or game pivotal game. Five still is base three because what a terrible. Well, you know, maybe you were to worldwide leader at pretty close to the beginning. I mean, you you you hosted sportscenter. You did all the shows. I mean. I mean, what was it like back? Then Paul I even did the NBA today back then that was a daily show that they had to to try the lower the NBA to come over and be part of it. You know, I remember after the third day. I did it. I was a guest host that. I said I enjoy my stay on the NBA today. I'm taking the next week off. But but honestly, you know in the nineties and in the eighties. We were just really was more meat and potatoes back, then I tell people and one of the reasons I love Scott van pelt so much s VP is is I think the best out there. And it's one of the reasons why sportscenter show does. So well is because he has an appreciation of history. But is really hip, you know, he's really current young people really dig him, but he's respectful of his elders. You know, you're not gonna watch a Scott van pelt show without some reference to you know, Chris Berman is or maybe something, you know, Bob, we might have said or even last night. I got tweets late at night from some people saw him this morning. There was a shot in a Premier League game that went off the post, and he went iron unkind and said to me. Be if you're up how you doing, you know. Oh, that's Scott is and he he I think engenders a level of entertainment and enjoys in sports on a daily basis that I don't think we have enough of during the rest of the day parts, and I'm okay with the culture conversation. I think that discuss how sports can help our culture is really a good thing. You know? I think Jason with lock on our network on this one doesn't nice job talking about that on SF why? But they're just it just seems that the the yelling and screaming, and the let's be upset about something. The let's get offended somehow some way and express offended. We are it does take over the day. And I think in our generation, maybe we were just lucky maybe the clock was on our side because I think we were just more meat and potatoes back then it's the first game of a weekend series and Philadelphia game three of fourteen game homestand for the villa. And how are they doing? You know, months having those conversations they the the introduction of social media, and you're very active on on on Twitter. But it it just seems like it. It's playing a role that I I'm not saying it shouldn't be important. But it's, but it's overwhelming and influencing almost everything it is and into a point where when you wake up in the morning, if you're trying to get your sports news. There was a time. The Paul what I used to think I get I get a better more unbiased report via Twitter that I could television aren't they those days are gone. Forget it and and just to the straight reporting of what happened overnight in a game. I it especially when we're talking about playoffs. Now, I do get lost in in the NHL in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Because it's it's kinda like just the brutality of the sport the excitement level for the people. In the fans game seven is unlike any other game seven at any other sport. So you can kind of get lost in that. And I and I really marvel at what doc Emrick in those guys do over on NBC and NBC sports network their cable with the hockey because they can really live in the moment. And hockey is a sport that has to be covered in the here. And now, it seems that especially with the NBA it's more about the packaging than it is the game or the soap opera surrounding the players as opposed to what players are doing what to help eighteen win a game. And oh, by the way, we'll this player be a max player in his next contract or not max player in his next contract. Paul. I really don't care. Whether a player is a max, I wanna know about my team. See it would we were growing up. The Lakers may have had. Very west. Who was the the emblem? Okay of the NBA his silhouette still the implement the NBA, but it wasn't just about Jerry West. Okay. It was about the the on samba of players around him tap Hairston. Jim mcmillan? Oh, by the way, will Chamberlain and Gail Kubrick's. Will you know, all the players that played with that team? And when Chamberlain played in Philadelphia, he had how Greer while Jones new Jackson Chet Walker, and we'll chamber we knew all the players were on all the teams. And to some extent, we talk about it. Well, the people say they go after Michael Jordan say well, it all started with during not really Scottie Pippen was a really good second banana. Okay. A hall of fame. Top fifty all time second banana and guys like Steve curr could make some serious shots and Dennis Rodman was one of the greatest defensive players and all time rebounders the NBA's ever since. So the team concept has been lost. I think especi-. In professional sports today. That's one of the reasons why I think you would I love to swim in the pool, but is college athletics, and we have to guard against inequality in athletics going this way. And that the presentation of intercollegiate athletics, not be preparatory totally to to to what lies ahead like I love the notion that we have to talk about where player's gonna be drafted. Lisa a freshman for Christ sakes. We don't need to let joy the college game. And this kid's a marvelous college player. And so that's that's one of those that I've been I've been beating the drum about that for a long long time. Why do we do that? Well, I think you're a newspaper man, I think it started with the print business becoming on the wane with the emergence of cable television and game starting late and then deadlines being a problem. And what did you have to do to sell papers you had to sensationalize in some manner? And I think it was the point that you made to your call. Or when I was listening about these websites that are basically fan websites. They're they're they're they're basically feeding it's a feeding frenzy for the base. Okay. It's no different than Donald Trump. If you wanna say Donald Trump going to the panhandle of Florida when he wants to take all of the attention away from whatever's going on in the beltway or Nancy Pelosi or Shurmur doing the same thing with their base. Okay. That that's what's happening. I think from a from a news standpoint it began with print when they said, well, if we don't sensationalize we can't. Sell papers. And if we don't sell papers that I'm going to have to go abroad to get a job. I'm gonna have to, you know, my my my my younger brother Kurt who's named after by the way and got his masters in journalism in Tennessee. That's what he's been doing. He he's a layout editor he was once in the UAE. He went on to the Anwar, the former Burma and now he's in Hong Kong because there's no money to me bait here in print journalism. That that is one hundred percent true. And and I I wonder though, Tim in in terms of the industry is not only reading for guys like us. But people I mean, we had a guy on earlier today. He came in prepared to offer a Twitter comment. I mean, he he knew exactly what he was doing. He I I'm willing to bet he had it. He had to prepared. He had written in front of him. But that's what happened to you. Do you do interviews all over the place? And if you do an interview and something, you know, gets blown up. I mean, you you're interested. I mean, you pay attention to it. Now seems like people are just are just saying things just so somebody will pick it up. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And and. That that that's it's it's all about what can bring the most attention. And that's all that matters. And depending upon where you are. And I I tell this to young would-be broadcasters all the time, I say, you know, enjoy the journey, but understand that the more you can do and the more different positions. You're put in the better off. You're going to be don't go out there with this notion that you're going to change the world with one statement, or you know, one headline because that statement or that headline could be misconstrued and could cost you the job. You know, it's, but there's this insatiable appetite to find what is wrong with anything. That said even if that's a compliment, you know, saying something, I I guess today, by example, I did applaud Georgia for upgrading its schedule. And by the way, or since I think you're seeing these announcements of of of new games and home in homes, we've powered schools you being one of those Oklahoma's got one is no Joe Castiglione announcement about a week ago. The games are going to be played in two thousand twenty one in two thousand twenty five. So it looks good. But it doesn't change things in the here. And now, but the reason this is happening Paul is because the a dis now know that it's it's gonna happen. We're going to expand to eight and finally strength of schedule is gonna matter. So you better better work on that non conference schedule. Even if you're in the mighty SEC. I try by the way, I talked to Greg sank yesterday. He's not having any of that conversation. No, no. No, this is this is not a call. This is not somebody somebody asked the question. It's winter is this a trend, and I said, no, it's it's it's public relations. It's PR in the sense that you're saying, yeah, we're upgrading our schedule. But we're doing it in a home at home with our game on the road in two thousand twenty one you know, when say look at those games that Obama's put together in the near future. But Greg Byrne knows savings not going to be there for those games, or at least majority of them. But it looks good. You know, it's good. It's good press. Georgia's doing it more quickly, and I get that. And I applaud that. But immediately a fan from LSU writes back and says, well, what about us? We're playing Texas. It no one's saying you're playing bat scheduled. I'm just applauding someone who made an announcement trying to strengthen there's that's all. And that's the issue is that we live in a culture today where regardless of what is said, positively someone thinks there's an angle it's like every. Nobody in our businesses a con man in no one can legitimately say something. Nice about anyone without someone thinking something's up. You do as we wrap up you do respond to people on Twitter, which is which separates you from a lot of people, including myself, by the way. Yup. Yeah. Yeah. Well, because you know, that's that's who I am as a human being if you've ever run into me at the airport, if you've ever seen me at a grocery store with many people will especially this time of year because the wife sends me out or maybe even at a Home Depot to pick up some Iroquois grow. That's my second job this time of year. And listen, I don't start the dirt. I just dump it. Okay. That's all our too. But if you meet me, I'm gonna have a conversation with you. And if someone reaches out or says, something to me or references me, I'll engage them, whether they have twelve followers or you know, ten thousand followers doesn't matter to me, and I will give him a chance. And then the, you know, sometimes I give them a chance to a fault. But I give them a chance, and then I move on. And and once it becomes what it normally becomes or at least fifty percent of the time. I wind up locking them. But I I do believe. Yeah. You don't mind block? You don't mind. I even though you're not really well known person you will block someone on Twitter. Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. Because I if I continued the conversation that would matter they're still going to say what they say about me behind my back. And that's really what Twitter is you know, we've all gone to. There's an old saying about your neighbors. You know, the guy across the street got a a promotion. He became president of the Bank as opposed to vice president of the Bank that maybe the guy that was across the street was not happy because he didn't get a promotion of two weeks earlier. So he says congratulations when he became president. But then when he became the CEO that really sort of pissed him off. But he just he you know, he congratulated him. But then he went back, and he told his if you believe here he got that. I mean, that's the world we live in all I'm gonna continue being who I am to everyone, regardless of what the culture is doing around me. But I I I don't have to see it. And I and I don't wanna see it necessarily. Because once they start talking about you in a disparaging way, or particularly your your kids and your family. I'm not going to subject myself for them to that. So I've locked them. I thought right away. And I don't think twice about it. Tim Brando on Twitter. Tim. Studying that up, Tim? This was great really to me. I had a million questions for you. We'll do it too. But I I really wanted to get some pre you'll get a little bit of perspective here on a fairly quiet day. And then we did. And I know the audience enjoyed as much as I did. Thank you for coming on. You've got it. You know, you're always welcome to to to call on me anytime when you need airtime to fill my friend. Thank you very much him. Okay. About Tim Brando. I I thought that was interesting what he said, and we we have different views, but I still loved him and respect him. And he he said right there, I'll talk to anyone in. But there is there is a conversation out there, though about p people who block others on Twitter, especially when you're a celebrity, especially when you're well known and give for him. He can do it. Every once I I've never blocked anyone because I just feel like I have a program everyday where I engage and. It is a dark hole sometimes to start going back and forth on Twitter with people, especially when you when you have new earthly idea who they are at least on the program. I can hear them. We we have some semblance of an understanding. Thank you. For listening to the Paul finebaum show podcast. The Paul finebaum show airs weekdays on the SEC network beginning at three eastern.

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05/01: The federal trial has been worse for Arizona than maybe everyone was expecting

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05/01: The federal trial has been worse for Arizona than maybe everyone was expecting

"Scary Parrott's Wednesday may first two thousand nineteen welcome back to the CBS sports. I on college basketball podcast, what would be sometimes discuss Campbell fighting and leaked lack Matt norlander here with me big developments in federal court earlier today involving AirAsia hit coach Jamila we're gonna get to that soon. But no, I let me start with this. I think everybody who cares about college basketball. And who would be listening to a college basketball podcast is very aware that there is a federal trial happening in lower Manhattan. They're reading tweets from you or damn wet or Jefferson or Adams, the gory or Nicole are back or anybody else about you know, what just was played in court via a wiretap what was played in court with a secretly recorded video. This guy testified to this. This guy testified to that. I think people understand what's happening. I'm not even the casual or even like the hardcore college. Football fan exactly understands this. What is the government trying to prove that Christian dockings and moral code did? And what is their defense? They're charged with bribery. What is what is it that the government's trying to prove? And what is the defense? They're putting up. Can you explain that for listeners who might just be unaware to the government is trying to prove intent to commit bribery, and by Merle code and Christian doctrines now, those charges although on a very basic level are the same co-defendants in the same trial facing the same charges the stuff that is pinned against dockings versus the stuff that is pinned against code varies. And if we get to a point where the jury comes back with verdicts, and it finds Dawkins guilty and code not guilty. That would not surprise me. I think code has a stronger case in this trial, then dock and stuff just because so much more of the evidence that has been put in relates to dock ins, and you even have. Cooperating witnesses with a government one of them Mooney shoot saying I only met moral code once in this whole deal in Manucher proved to be a very important witness for the government in this case. But the government is trying to charge dockings and code with paying college basketball coaches, thousands of dollars in bribes in order to steer players to dock ins, his fledgling business. Living out your dreams Inc. Lloyd Inc for short and in doing so doing so with thousands and thousands tens of thousands of dollars doing so across state lines, which makes it a federal crime. That's about as simply as I can boil it down to it's not that dock ins was trying to pay college players specifically that he was trying to pay established professionals in their field to take money that they were not allowed to be taking and pin the cases against them. Because of that this is different from the first trial where the government's case was separate and to be. The defense wanted these two trials to be one. But the government for reasons that if you're sitting in the courtroom clearly obvious because the college coaches, how could you possibly defraud these guys when they're having these conversations caught him wiretap, you could have never had this under one umbrella. I think the government would have had a much harder time winning in the first case if all the stuff from that case was locked into this one. But the first case is more about defrauding universities. And we've talked about that on the podcast. Plenty would a farce that was but the government and the way that that the table was tilted toward it in that case was able to convince a jury this one I still think is leaning toward the prosecution in the case, I think they've got the advantage there. But I think on a more tangible and easy to understand level. The jury both seeing heavy come against doc and to a lesser extent code, but still code on the less and understanding why these would be clearly bribery crimes, but also with dockings having gone on the stand Wednesday, and I was not able to be in court on Wednesday. I will be there Thursday when he faces cross examination from the prosecution biolo- counts. Doc was able to humanize his position in such a way that according to the report and the writers that were on seeing there. The jury found understandable, if not at at certain times, downright funny, Dan, what's on his piece mentions that on multiple occasions Dawkins and kind of explaining the ins and outs of amateurism and rules are put in place now college athletics works. It's outdated and was actually able to to endorse in the entire courtroom into laughter over some of the folly of all the stuff. So that's a somewhat quay trying to explain the basics around this case. But obviously it is trial. These are lawyers involved in it. It has branched off in about five dozen different ways in the Dan Wetzel column that you reference Dan in the. You know in the process of just telling Christian dock and story on the stand from the day says that he is still likely to be found guilty. Do you believe that as well? I believe it's more likely than not I will take what I have seen perished happen plot in the courtroom. Absolutely. I don't know. But I will say this. I was not able to be because other realize stuff air, and my wife has a job as well. I was not able to dip down into Manhattan today. So I don't have the perspective of having sat in that courtroom hurt. Dockings testimony. See how it played with the jury and the fact that. Doc is taking the stand was dismissed by by some thinking because a lot of times you won't have defendant. Take the stand in a case like this against a federal prosecutors, it often does not happen. But I think at one it stands to. How late in the game. It is. And how big the deficit is to just you know, abuse a too easy metaphor there for doctors to do this. But also, maybe just maybe him explaining what was happening there him explaining, and I don't know how much we're gonna set this up GP, but him explaining the fact that all this money was coming from the government. And it was being induced by this undercover agent whose alias was Jeff diangelo, and Jeff diangelo saying you're gonna take the money that I'm gonna give you and you're gonna pay the coaches with it and sure enough that did have happen to happen, in some cases, not all cases and dockings even put up some reasonable explanations for why that didn't happen. So I think there is a chance that jury might see Christian dachshunds explaining the realities of what he was doing the unfair model that set up by the AA and why what was happening was happening. And he was not the only one I think there is a chance that they could get not guilty verdicts. But I do think is more likely than not that he will. I wouldn't say it's ninety five percent at this point. I don't even know what kind of percentage I'd put on. But as of right now, I think that's that's that's the case. And it will probably even more likely the case when he faces cross examination on Thursday that has the potential to be very riveting because the government obviously has been working this case for a year and a half, and it will come very prepared. No matter what kind of prep dock and says with his attorney Steve haynie heading into Thursday. He is going to be in the crosshairs. And I think it will be riveting cross examination to your point about doc is one of the things. He's testified to today. Was that listen, I didn't wanna pay the coaches. It was just I was doing what this guy told me to do with the money. I even tried to explain to him. This is a waste of money. You're wasting your money. You're just giving money to people who aren't actually going to be able to do the things you will. We want them to do. But he insisted this is my money. This is what I want to do with it. So in some cases, that's what I did. I again, I don't know how that registers with the jury, but I thought Christian Dawkins did actually have a decent explanation for why he was doing what he's accused of doing. It wasn't what he wanted to do thought was smart. In fact, he said I thought it was dumb. But it was this is what this guy wanted to do. And he was the one with all the money. So obviously cross examination scheduled for Thursday. The case will get in the jury's hands at some point. And and then we'll be done with this federal trial stuff. At least in in terms of this case, let's move onto the big development from today. And that was the audio of a wiretap conversation between book Richardson's, the former Arizona associate head coach. And Christian dock ins in which book Richardson tells Christian dock ins that Arad Sonal head coach Sean Miller bought the Andrea Eytan and with paying him ten thousand dollars per month. This is then followed up by Christian ins. Saying that. Sean Miller also took care of Raleigh Aachen's and in his people. And so what you have here is no longer just a wanna be agent slash runner slash hustler accusing shown Miller of level one rules violations. Now, you have a close friend of Shawn Miller, a colleague of Shawn Miller show. Miller's associate head coach somebody who worked with Shaun. I Xavier and airs ONA that's a bit of a game changer. Don't you think? Or if you don't tell me why I do think that it can be something of a game changer only because there's this more attached to all of this now with with Miller and book and book talking about it with dock ins, I will start with the obligatory. There is still no evidence. There is no proof that Shawn Miller has ever paid de'andre eight, and there is no proof that Shawn Miller ever paid Raleigh Elkins Alonzo trees name was attached this earlier in the trial as well. But the facts of all of this are Shawn Miller and book Richardson, work tha. Gather for a decade, plus dockets caught on on at one point. I think I mentioned this on last week's podcast even referring to the fact that they were in a bad marriage. Some of the wiretaps that were played GP on Wednesday in court even got to to a little bit of that as Dawkins in Richardson are discussing the eight and stuff in general with Richardson, not having I guess, I don't know if sympathies the right word, but as they're talking about how Sean is allegedly in deep paying ten thousand dollar payments to Aden. And a lot to Raleigh all kinds or his representatives. Well, again, this is what Richardson and dock ins are talking about on the wiretap. I think it is. I think I think it does hurt the Shawn Miller case in general, and there's there's been more a quick this respond. Kind of looping. We talked about to start this podcast in in this in general. The reason why this stuff even comes up is because on June twentieth. Two thousand seventeen that is the day that book Richardson's goes to the Conrad hotel in New York City. He sits down with undercover agents sued and mardi blazer. And in that meeting Richardson is completely selling himself in his services parish. I would need probably fifteen minutes, or so I'm not going to do on this podcast to to, you know, talk about all the stuff that Richardson says in that meeting about how he operates he flagrantly. You know is he is understanding of the fact that what they're talking about needs to stay in the room. You gotta keep it private cetera et cetera. All that right bellator that day Mooney sued who at that. Like, he's not like mardi blazer. He is joining this venture. And doesn't realize that this is all being caught on video and wiretaps and all this he calls Kristin Dawkins, and they have a phone call on that phone call this gets to what talking testified to today don-. This. Jeff diangelo dude is weird. Why does he wanna meet these kids at Zona? Does. He not understand how this works. Sean Miller, I won't point Christian doctrines Shawn Miller invited me to come out to resolve. And they're talking about the recruitment of Giovan quinary at that point. Because he is going to have a visit down the way. I can't bring a guy like Jeff de ngelo to the university of Arizona. And then Shawn Miller is going to be like what the hell is this guy doing here, which by the way dockings to saying is completely accurate? So they're talking. They're making fun of Jeff DeAngelis. Like, why does this dude even care why given all this money? Why does he wanna be with kids? What the hell is gonna talk with kids about. And so then soon dock and start talking about. Okay. You know, if if you just go back and say, listen, you can maybe meet the kid after like, you know, he's in our system, and we know that he's going to be coming aboard the Loyd inconsiderate cetera. Right. And so then this is what suit says, he I think that's what clearly has to be stated to Jeff because maybe what you do is our call Jeff back and say, hey, look, I spoke with book and exactly say that book says, look, let's get this kid sign, then he's happy to introduce Jeff to the kid either Zona while they're traveling somewhere and dock and says, yeah, okay. All right. And then suit says. This way, it's clean. Right. This way. It buys us time it let's get the money, and then we'll deal with the other stupid shit. He'll forget about it. Anyway, dock and says, okay because I want you to get this kid. He's referring to early. And then he says and I wanna sign the big kid as well. And that's when the conversation shift to I think, we're gonna get the number one picks next year. I think we're gonna get that big kid clearly referring to Andrea eight. And that's when doc and says, it's going to be more money than what what book said, I mean, because I talked to Sean, Sean, the one that front of that deal. So it's going to be some money. But I mean will figure it out that Lynn loose back to what Richardson doctors are talking about in the tape that was played two day, which just you know, it further implicates, but does not prove anything that Shawn Miller was involved in payments to to de'andre Eytan and Raleigh Auken's GP. I'll let you respond to me. But I do feel obligated tag this with the fact that obviously AirAsia investigated all this all ready. It is comfortable with Shawn Miller still running it's program. Presumably it is where of this conversation, presumably, maybe not, but. But but obviously Wednesday was not a good day for over Shawn. Miller. I guess they could be aware of this conversation before today. But I don't know how you could listen to your associate head coach tell somebody when he didn't know he was being recorded that your head coach bought the Andrea Eytan in his paying ten thousand dollars a month. And not in not just be like, I don't I don't understand how if you're running a university you could be privy to. That fact, not the fact that book richton telling the truth, I mean Bush and could've been lying. Not nobody's been able to present a compelling argument to why book Richardson would have been lying about this specific thing at that specific time, but whatever, but I don't know if you run a university, you could you know, that book Richardson was talking like that about Shawn Miller and think that that's okay. Like the truth is right now. Arizona's going to get hammered by the AA whether shell millers. Coach or not because you can't have this. You cannot have this. I mean what we what we now. I mean think about this for a second at the time that all of this stuff was okay. Mark Phelps has been fired book Richardson's, obviously been fired Joe Pasternak who was also on staff in recent years. There've been allegations made against him whether they're true or not I can't speak to that. But there's been guest indirectly referenced in this trial, perish indirectly. But he has been referenced. Right. So like everybody working for Sean Miller has been at least have been the target of allegations beyond that you have book Richardson on tape it meeting his own insead of violations that he was taking care of somebody related to Raleigh Aachen's at. I believe the rate of like two thousand dollars a month. So what you now have is a associate head coach can. Can you know in in criminal himself in a way that unless the blaze just totally going to ignore it going to lead to Raleigh Aachen's being retro actively road? Ineligible. Means you start to vacate all sorts of stuff and. And and who knows in terms of future probation scholarship cuts. Postseason bans who knows everything? I just said is already going to get you in trouble. Like, there's no way book ridge can be on tape. It missing that he was taking care of family member. And that not come back to get AirAsia again. It's very it's one thing to to say all the only thing you got so far as Christian doctrines talking wild. Like the point. I've made before is. Yeah, you could say that Christian has credibility problems. That's fine. But if he's really just making things up why is he seemingly only making things up about Shawn Miller. Like, why didn't he also make things up about Rick Pitino? Also make things up about Tom Izzo or also make things up about I don't know if he's really just trying to inflate his relevance in the sport make things up about John Kelly Perine, ROY Williams, Mike like these very serious allegations where it is Christian doc and saying I talked to a head coach in. The head coach told me ABC and the head coach saying all sorts of wild stuff. He should be saying on the phone. That is best. I know limited to Shawn Miller. It's unique to show Miller to me that that makes it believable. But whatever if you're a dumb Arizona fan, and you don't wanna believe it. It's fine. But now you've got an associate head coach who work with Sean Miller. I save your nowadays. Zona also calling Shawn Miller cheater, I don't know how you can hear that. And not think that Shawn Miller is cheater Pete them. It was in the courtroom today from Yahoo sports, and he wrote a column in that column. He wrote the senate's seemingly at this point, the only collegiate board of regents who could look at all of this evidence, and Sean Miller dramatic denial about paying players had a seat of truth would be one that consist of the Easter bunny to fairy and Santa Claus. And I really do think that that's about right? There is no scenario where I don't know that they'll be able to prove show Miller did these things there's no scenario. Oh, you'll be able to ever where you'll ever be able to convince a reasonable person slash somebody. Who's not an Arizona fan that show. Miller wasn't cheating like crazy, and I suppose Shawn's line like till the end will just be okay. This stuff might have been going on in my program. But I had nothing to do with it. And I didn't know it was going on which by the way is not going to be a good excuse for the NC double A in terms of future. Sanctions because you're you are responsible for your staff. But I did think this was interesting and worth pointing out. How hard is it to insist you didn't know book Richardson was dirty buying players when we'll wait new book Richardson was dirty by players because I thought that was an interesting thing that came out of either yesterday's testimony or the day before. Yeah. Book Richardson on a tape and he's explaining that. We'll wait whose crew denies read at the time that the school's recruiting rate at that point. Okay. Arizona recruit Nausori will according to book Richardson will Wade wants to hire book to help him close the deal with Nausori. And he says I got three hundred thousand dollars for him, which by the way. The wording of that actually jibes pretty well. With the way, I've heard if we'll wait was actually doing these things he might have been doing these things because you know, when you start asking coaches or other people in the industry. Okay. If this was going down to LSU, how do you think it was going down, and they'd be like, well, he would get money from booster? So there'd be no money connected to him. No paper trail connected to him. And then he could just take the money and transition it straight to whoever needed transition to. So it's it's a limited number of witnesses. It's we'll handling himself. It's cash, and it's not cash coming from any sort of count connected to him. It's cash coming from an a booster that the instability. Probably wouldn't even know to look at that probably how this get done. And so when will says I got three hundred thousand dollars for him. What that implies to me is I've got somebody willing to give me three hundred thousand dollars to get this deal done. On. Can you help me get this done and book again, according to book jokes like I will give me half of that. And get this thing done. I'll make sure goes to LSU. Ha ha ha ha this is my point. Do you know how? Brazen. You have to be to trust somebody who doesn't work for you who works for a university recruiting against you to trust them with that information, assuming that book is telling the truth that this conversation actually happened. You you you would never let somebody else in your interest industry. No, you get down like that. Or you're trying to get down like that. Unless what unless you know, they get down like that too. My point is this. We'll wait in bed Rouge new book ribs and getting down like that it yet show Miller is going to try to pretend he didn't bird's. Feather and all that real quick on the Woolworth stuff. First of all, I don't think I believe all this three hundred thousand dollars for Nasreen is absurd. I don't know if they're five football players in the football craze conference that is the SEC that would command that kind of price tag in two thousand eighteen twenty seventeen whatever like, I I actually don't believe if it happened. That's that's amazing. I do not believe that three hundred thousand dollars was given to people connected to redeploy at LSU that number is ridiculous. You're telling me as we got three hundred thousand Indiana eight allegedly only got one hundred thousand and the difference between those players was even though Nasreen was a fine. Very good prospect probably to get drafted great kid from all I can tell they in the same league whatsoever. So I've got issues with that too. I the point you're making is completely on the right track here, but the idea of that will Wade, and this, and this is what Richardson is saying it might be bluster. It might be a half truth. But the idea that at at a recruiting event will way would approach book Richardson with this kind of information. Peas in a pod bird's. Feather all that stuff. Whatever you're going to do this with another coach outside and then we'll wait. Apparently, according to book Richardson offers book a job to make sure that they can get the Nasreen thing to happen book Richardson, says if you give me half that if you give me a hundred and fifty thousand dollars, I'll make sure that he goes to you. And we won't even d- what the guy coming to zone. The entire situation was surreal to listen play out that wiretap play out in court. And by the way, was the only time will Wade's name actually came up so far in this trial. I would guess it will be the only time that his name will come up unless for some reason doc wants to veer into that upon cross. I don't think he will. But that the the wait stuff in general. The the Miller stuff wasn't good. But this is another separate player that has been tied to wait. In terms of paying them to go LSU, by the way, among many that have declared for the NBA and his pair set on a couple podcast back will not be returning to play college basketball. You do not think Nausori got three hundred thousand dollars to play on one hand. It's it's obviously seems excessive on the other hand. I I don't know that there's some scale that everybody references when they're buying basketball players. I I didn't I didn't think Brian Bowlin was worth one hundred thousand dollars valley. Valid valid point. That's the one that shocked me like I'd rather have Nausori than Brian Bowen. And so I guess you can perhaps reasonably so say, there's just no way. Now regard three hundred thousand dollars if we're operating under the assumption. Deandre Eytan only got one hundred thousand but he'll learn fifteen shacks to hold on. We have a by the way, we have another. We shout to Rodney. Okay. Shouts to Rodney the cousin of Raleigh Elkins who actually took a meeting with with minutiae mini sued dockings and under the female undercover agent whose alias was Jill Bailey. So we have another. Acquaintance lash family member of an zone player that has been injected this. So I just wanted to make sure on this podcast a proper shout to Rodney forgetting involved in all of this. You done you done did. Well, here man. So. I don't think the Andrea eight Brian Bowen aren't the same caliber guy. But they reportedly got the same amount of money. Although I will say I talked to somebody who I don't know around the stuff and the point he made and this was several months ago. But this guy said, I don't know shown Miller is the one that actually did the eight and deal. But I bet you be Andrea and got more money than people realize. So who knows right? Yeah. But about my larger point is I don't know that there's a scale like, hey, if you're topped in prospect, you're in this range top twenty prospect, you're in this rant like deals just get done. However, they get done, but I can acknowledge. Yes, it seems like an excessive amount of money. I would say this. If you wanna say that's book, exaggerating the numbers. Willing to listen to that chore, people exaggerate numbers all the time when telling stories, but keep in mind, the timing of this conversation. This is way before we know about Jonty smart conversation on a wiretap strong as offer. I don't think it's a coincidence that book riches Intel in the story about we'll wait. I don't think he made the story up. I think that he told the story about will. Because this is precisely the type of thing will was dealing, and I just thought it was hilarious. We've got these two programs that more so than any other seem to have coaches on staff head coaches who are accused of buying players like you can say Nike was doing this for. Duke, and that Adidas was doing this for Louisville in Kansas underarm was doing this for Maryland. But the two places where we have real allegations against the head coach the head coach is doing these deals. It's LSU and AirAsia and yesterday in court those schools are actually tied together with the associate head coach at one place telly describing a story about the head coach at the other place, and they're discussing cheating buying an attempt to buy read. I thought that was and just a few quickies here in Richardson, and I'll wrap it by actually reading the transcript of what was it on the call, and you can take parish. But. If the general I don't think that these videos are ever going to be out for general public consumption here. But I mean book is he he is or was damn good at what he did. Funny. Self deprecating. Great seller, you can easily see why he was so good at doing what even beyond like throwing like, whatever. Like, the money's just just in terms of who he was how he was able to talk to people book Richardson was good at his job and very convincing. And it is no wonder why he took the money was a prime candidate to do. So. And he also by the way said when I'm going against Mississippi Staley through Mississippi State and out of aware the SEC accuses these specific with schools, but twenty thirty forty Graham when it comes to involving recruiting players, they're like there was a lot of stuff. Again, this case we can't get to it on this podcast. There's just random stuff caught on wiretaps in these video conversations were just random schools or conferences just lobbed out there, and it's all just like. It's just drive by. It's just okay. But we're we're kind of trying to get to a bigger point there in the Richardson stuff, I thought to be to be pretty compelling overall going back to what we talked at the top. Here's what actually the one of the transcripts of the calls that was picked up and played Wednesday in court and as a reminder. Although the defense wanted to have Miller and wait on the stand. And the reason why we did not hear any calls with will. Wade and Shawn Miller played in court, and we will not the prosecution has rested here the judge at garl- romo's. Who's been a great judge in this case, he isn't he's deem that to be irrelevant to the to the matters at hand, we won't get them. This is going to be the closest that we will get here was what was played by the prosecution not the defense in doing. So the prosecution obviously doesn't Bill favors as they're talking about docking Richardson talking about trying to get aid into maybe link up with dachshunds business in the way that Richardson is already said you're going to get Rawlins. That's a fact he says that on a video wiretap dock and says we'll see how Sean well. I said Richardson says Shaun's got to get the bleep out of the way, and let us work in the dock and says we'll see how Sean plays it out. And Richard says, you know, what he bought per month referring to Aden in dock and says, what do you do and rich and said, I told you ten now. Common. Logic would indicate that would be ten thousand dollars there. Given the context of all these other conversations and the and says he's putting up some real money for them expletives. He told me he's getting killed and the Richardson that that's his fault with the referring to there is dockings alleging that Miller had already talked to him about money payments, and that it's you know, from a from pockets the important, it's actually hurting him. So that's that's the big thing that was involved in the stuff that was playing, and let me make this point in just that we're clear here that is Christian doctrines telling book Richardson, Sean told me he's getting killed right? Yes. Okay. Here's another just like just just use common sense. If because that's what people say, they're like, hey, Arizona fans when I say, that's what people say I just being naive slash silly AirAsia fans. If they're like, Chris doc is just making stuff up. He didn't really talk show Miller about these things if you weren't really having conversations with Shawn Miller, would you be telling associate coach that you were having coaches conversation with Shawn Miller like wouldn't that be something very easy for book Richardson defined outs? Not true. Yeah. Yeah. But doc insane man. Yeah. When I talked to, Sean if that's not they don't really have that relationship. Book would just be like you were talking to Sean or or I think dockings wouldn't even wouldn't even use that phrase. You might be able to tell me. Yeah. GP I was talking to show milk because how do I know if you talking to show Miller, but like the associate coach at I don't think you tell that light to him if it's a lie, which is why I don't think it's a lie. I really do think he was talking to Sean Miller. And I think they were really having these conversations I find Christian darkens as it relates to this stuff believable. I find him believable at sometimes I find all parties involved in this thing. Other times you've got guys as they're talking about these prospects. Bag. Lease name gets brought into this stuff. And how he's the best player since LeBron James like a lot of this stuff. I is Greece conversation. I think at the essence of it a lot of it is based in reality or at least acknowledgement of situation as people understand it. And it's also why I wrote on Monday, I think it was I've lost track of the days. Arizona will stick with Shawn. Miller he could be coaching at the start of next season. Because again, we have to acknowledge that the school and to a certain level. The instable has poked around on some of the stuff if not the FBI, by the way, of course. And if Miller was involved in this he would be defendant in the case to the extent that book Richardson, wasn't has pleaded guilty and all this. So there has been some diligence if not entire due diligence done on that. But you cannot convince me that the instable a on whatever time line, it's working on. I don't know what time line is working. I don't know if it hopes to get this done by October. Or if it doesn't think it's not going to get until a year from the day. We're recording this podcast much of this is going to be laid at the feet of Shawn Miller. I just don't see how it won't. You have a convicted felon on your staff. The evidence is overwhelming. The incidentally, will obviously use this evidence to I don't know if it's going to try. Worsened the situation for Richard. He's gonna get show 'cause like ten year twenty year. I don't even know, I don't know. From from a formality standpoint. I think all these assistant coaches are going to be put under. Show causes that are potentially precedent setting. And then from that. If you're the the committee on fractions of the people in charge of this stuff. There's just no way. I don't see a significant punishment coming for Miller here. Even if you did not know, even if you did not know, and you can provide every single. Reason that prevents proof or evidence of that ever coming to be when you are involved when it comes to this level and this federal trial, and there's this much bad publicity. And there's all the stuff that's put against Richardson. Even if there is going to keep you. I think he's gonna face his suspension and other heavy stuff. I don't know how long the suspension will be. But. If the fans want to keep Shawn Miller around he's a really really damn good college basketball coach some of the stuff that's been put up against him. Maybe it's not true, maybe exaggerated. But whatever the stuff that has been proven is already a horrible look for Arizona. I don't know when it's coming. But you can't you can't convince me the Zona maybe more than any other program. And maybe there will be others that hit get Justice hard Alice. You name it any of the other schools, at assistance that were charging this case significant sanctions are inevitable. Just don't know when it's gonna happen. Well, even if Shawn Miller read this yesterday, I think on a Daily Star even Shawn Miller, they can't actually prove that he did these things they know these things happened because book Richardson's on video saying that they happen. But they can't prove that Sean did it that he had a hand in it and Sean forever. Just insist listen, you can say that I should've known, but I didn't know that's the truth. He can still face a, quote, an instable a bylaw eleven point one point one a suspension up to a year from the NC double A, if they find that his staff has commit. It'd level when violations, and it seems like actually undeniable at this point that a staff violations. Right. Nobody. That's that is a proven fact of this point. Yes. Right. So that's the thing. I mean, Arizona can do whatever it wants to do. But I don't I don't understand how you keep him at this point. Just because he you're not gonna have him at some point. He is going to face a suspension, and it could be up to a year. And you gotta think the instable a is going to you think ever. There was a place to come down hard. This would be the place to do it. So if they can give him a year that means they really might give them a year. So you wanna keep employing a head coach that a is going to have this reputation forever. Like, you don't you don't I don't think you shed this. So this this will as long as he's your coach the perception of your program. Do you really want that and be like he's gonna face a suspension at some point not to mention you're going to be dealing with the cloud of postseason bans? And the possibility of it all that is really worth all this. I mean, you say earlier that he's a very good college head coach, and I tend to agree with that. But what if we what if it's program can any more? Then how good is he what we know what they've been crazy to get these players and still been. Mostly underachieve with them never been to like, do you really want this? If you wanna. I don't know. I don't think I would if I run in the school. But if they do then just just say, you don't care just say, yeah. You know, what we don't care? This is the sport were. And we we don't care. Just don't say you actually believe your coach didn't do these things or know about these things because nobody nobody else in the country believes that at this point. All right. The next time we podcast. I know we're going to transition here. Real quick. The next time we podcast, I expect this trial to be with verdict. My prediction as where things stand right now is Christian Docklands will be found guilty and moral code will also be found guilty. But I think coda this top here is as less likely. So I don't think we're having more. So next time we talk about this. It'll probably just be whatever happens in cross I think that cross examination of Dhaka's on Thursday has the potential to be truly riveting. And we'll see where we go from there. And how long the jury takes his side this the first trial. I took the jury three days. I sense this might not take more than one day. But it's a jury you never know who's thinking what? And and with all that stuff. And then we will still have one more trial to to get to which person. And and another man who was charged in the case with all that as we wrap this one more thing, I do want to say. Because I think I like I've seen videos a book. So video is a bland Tony bland doesn't come off innocent in this at all it is very understandable. I said to Wetzel in the courtroom, I think on Mondays I can you imagine if we actually had college basketball coaches in this trial right now, like pleading not guilty and the stuff that is getting like played right now it is. It is no wonder if you actually hear the wiretaps and watch the videos, it is no wonder whatsoever. Why those guys pleaded guilty to this because the government had so much against them. The prospect of them winning when you have people on video literally accepting thousands of dollars and talking about steering players to Christian doctrines is management company. Like, it's not a shock whatsoever. Lamont Evans, the former South Carolina, Oklahoma state coach, there's plenty of stuff that hasn't really been talked about much that comes up. He does not look good in this whatsoever. Arguably probably the worst of any coach I would argue. So anyway, that's just a a bunch of other stuff. And then the agents last thing in the one we've on dock and said so in his testimony on Wednesday. There's been plenty of stuff. The general MBA agent space, and why a lot of this happened to begin with was because as Dawkins as a runner who would be in place to understand a lot of this stuff, particularly at ACM sports where his boss any Miller worked basic like any kid that has an NBA first round level future. Not any but almost any like someone's gotten to him by the time he gets to college. And he successfully according to the report there on Wednesday painted a reality with with high school and college athletics that showed how dirty it truly could be. And so the things that was doing we're not outside of outside of the norm. At all, in fact, as a runner he was doing the bidding of agents, in some cases. So that agents would not get themselves caught in the crosshairs. That's the very nature runners, do it's why NBA different agencies put kids that look young on campuses with backpacks walking around to blend in to kind of just ingratiate themselves in that kind of environment. Like the level of this stuff has gone on for decades. We are we are seeing things. And such a light and with such detail that we never had before. Yeah. It's been it's been fascinating for me to observe from distance. Obviously you've been in the courtroom, but the. It really does at least seemingly shows exactly how normal this stuff had become. I'm not sure if this changes anything going forward, you've still got a a system of amateurism that prevents people who are obviously worst a lot from accepting anything above board. So a black markets created, and you know, it's been there forever. And I imagine it forever will be, but you know. I think this is scared. Some people. At least temporarily. And so we'll we'll see where it goes from here. But like you said cross examination of Christian doctrines will be on Thursday. And then the jury will get the case at some point let's touch on a few other things before we get out of here. Crispier got a new contract at Texas Tech. 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Game has agreed to a six year contract extension with Texas Tech university at the rate of four point six million dollars per year. Corden USA today's coating database makes him the third highest paid coach in college basketball behind only Mike chefs key and John Calipari the column I wrote on this is like it's money. Well, spent because here's the truth. When you've got a great coat who's perfect for university. And you are in a power five conference the big twelve where you're going to get an excess of forty million dollars annually from your meteorites alone. When you combine that with the fact that because of amateurism, you don't have to pay the players like, I it's it's almost impossible to overpay. A great coach. And that's why I think Texas Tech is smart to do this. It doesn't mean that Chris beard will be there in six years or even in two years. But it does mean that they showed. They're perfect and great perfect for them. And great coach that they're committed to him and his program and staff like they basically told him with this gesture you might leave someday, you know, maybe the Kansas job opens. Maybe the Zona job opens, maybe Texas opens any of these jobs that might be certainly traditionally better jobs than our job. And you might leave us one day. And you know, we'll deal with that. When we have to deal with it. But you're not gonna leave us for money. And you're not gonna believe because we didn't try to do everything we could to keep you happy. I thought it was really smart by Kirby hocutt, the athlete director to be so proactive and so over the top in their attempt to make sure crispier does in Lubbock Texas for long Posner. Listen reference this signing in the future for any school that may want to get a coach or lose a coach beard. Stan. Ding right now, it might be. Bill. Simmons uses a term sometimes called apex mountain when he talks about actors and saying like, okay at this time when he when a certain actor actress did a movie was this apex mountain? They were never more of a thing within the pop culture consciousness. There were never better there carino's. It was never had a higher point this might be crispier. Apex mountain right now, it might be. But if you want to keep this guy on your right now beard is about as hot as it gets outside of the men that that defeated him in that national championship game. Tony Bennett you want to keep them on campus. Try and prevent someone next year the near year after by giving them as much money as you possibly can. I'm not saying crispier deserving of the third richest contract in college basketball. I also by the way because of the trial stuff sometimes these contract things like they can be. Not well, maybe this leading the right word like crispy getting paid. There's no doubt about it. But if you actually like truth, we looked at how the contract broke down versus say guys that are in that four to ten range, regardless. He's being getting paid handsomely. Among the best of the best. For. I kinda think this has got to be a record, by the way. There's never been a coach with such a short division one track record to get paid on this level. Even if you wanted to prorate it retroactively a decade two decades three decades ago beard is certainly earned it. And if the money is going to be using that sense because as I saw what she wrote about in tweeted about you can't send it to the players. It is the smart move there and good on him. But well, that's that is that is the kind of money where it probably will or it should make any sort of program at the major conference level that wants to consider itself top twenty five status. Well, if you want that and you really wanna go get a guy or you have a guy, then when the time comes, and you and you hit a moment. Like, this get it done you need to you're going to have to pony up here and send a message not just to other schools that may want to try and get said coach. But also to your fan base. That says we are we are absolutely committed. Here. We are not going to cheap out on our guy. So beard gets it. And now comes a just a separate level of pressure. Like once now Chris beard will be known for having made a lead eight made a title game and all that stuff. But this is also going to be a thing. Like Chris beard. He signed that super rich contract. He's the third highest paid coach in college basketball. Now, let's see what he can do next season the season after two to kind of live up to that stuff because if it goes wrong, and I don't think that it will. But if it does that's where you're getting the money. It's great and all that stuff. But that's kind of kind of be pinned up against you as many college football coach can attest to over the past twenty thirty years. Yeah. When you get a contract like this. Whether you're a coach or a player where the numbers are wild. If you are unsuccessful your contract becomes part of your story. Like in Memphis, Chandler, Parsons contract is a part of his story. It wouldn't be if he was good. But he's injured. And incapable of of of being irrelevant NBA player. I I assume you ever again. And so everybody knows exactly what he makes channel Parsons making ninety four million dollars on whenever it is ninety four ninety five ninety three. It's in that raid. His contract is part of his story. If whatever reason Texas Tech just settles back into being a bottom half big twelve program than yes. You know? It'll it'll look like Texas Tech just lost its mind. But I don't think this is the same thing as Kevin Ollie looking into a national championship. I think crispier got the goods because. You know, he's Dow had really good years with totally different rosters. He wasn't led by one player anywhere. You know wasn't. This isn't Shabazz. Napier taking him to a national championship game Jarrett culverts, very good. But Texas Tech got there because of a defense that ranked number one in defensive efficiency, I think he's got the I think in reference four, but his one year at Little Rock relative to the three years before he got there and the three years since he left. It's just crazy. They've been outside of the top two hundred Kim palm three years before Chris was at Little Rock three years since every season without exception in his one year, they want thirty games top sixty can advanced in instantly tournament by beating Purdue. So even that you don't really have to just point Texas Tech to to provide evidence that Chris beard is a special basketball coach the little rockier counts as well. And it is just as impressive as. You know, it's it's similarly impressive to any of the stuff. He's done since then and just to circle back to the way. Texas Tech was aggressive and getting this done. You just contrast it with another big twelve coach just a couple of years ago. You know, Brad under what was that, Oklahoma state? And by the way, Brad Underwood crispier both represented by the same guy. Brett just so bright Underwood's there. And clearly it looks like he's Oklahoma state's made a good higher. He's doing good things, and he was not making much money their relative to what other big twelve coaches make. I mean, he was making good money relative to what schoolteachers make. But it wasn't. You know, great big twelve head coach money. And so as the story goes, you know, Chris was Brett just was trying to talk to the Oklahoma athlete director about getting. Hey, let's go ahead and get it. He likes it. Here. You got the right guy. Let's get a deal done to make him happy. And they just kept putting it off. We'll we'll we'll talk about it later. We'll talk about later just wouldn't get anything done. Well, then what happened? Brag gets frustrated then what happens. He's got an agent who's got connections to every job opening that that is open that will open. So then Illinois is going to open Illinois, probably has no even idea that it can possibly Lur Brad Underwood from Oklahoma state after one year get a guy to move after one year from a job to another job when the jobs are comparable. But Brad was unhappy because Oklahoma state wasn't aggressive and trying to make him happy. He tells Brit. Hey, I'm I'm ready to bounce get an athletic director appreciates me, boom, bounces Illinois after one year. And I think it's reasonable to say Oklahoma state hadn't been the same since like contrast that with what Texas Tech just did they weren't gonna sit around and and and make crispier feel unappreciated or underappreciated they stepped up in his big away as you could. Possibly due in bigger ways than most people anticipated. They would and I think I think they'll benefit from it. I don't know that they'll keep them forever. But I he's not frustrated right now, he's not feeling underappreciated right now. And that's the best way you can treat a coach of his quality. I think the last not have on this is I did find it weird. I don't know that. So this happens, and then the LA times had a story about how Macron I got the job. And I read that I don't know if you chance to see that or not, but it got into like John Calipari apparently being more interested than he led on publicly. It got into the fact that Rick Barnes, apparently like agreed or didn't agree to initial terms. When UCLA's said it would pay the buyout and Barnes has publicly said otherwise than bar for more money UCLA, balked Barnes went back and said, I'll sign for the original terms. This is all the time story and their reporting with all that. But I found a a little weird that in that story. There are a lot of coach like Jay, right? They would apparently double his salary in. And he was not going to leave Villanova for UCLA, which by the way is the right decision. But beard save. No, we're in there. And I don't quite get why UCLA would not have pursued him perhaps there's a reason that I'm not privy to or aware of. But I just thought it was interesting timing with the story coming out and then beard win the contract stuff. I thought you know. Maybe they didn't it wasn't including the story. But, but I thought that to be just a little bit odd because if you were UCLA, and I know that they were you know, you had Texas roll in here until the end of the season and stuff like that. And you want to get him yet a weight, but it doesn't appear that UCLA went after him. And I'm not quite sure what that would mean, different schools have different priorities and different things. Maybe they did their diligence. And they just thought that he wasn't going to be the guy or something else or whatever. But but I thought the timing of that article and beards contract and re getting extended a Texas, Texas, maybe thinking, oh, why didn't you say try and lock them in. But regardless it's Cronin. If you haven't read that story, it's actually just a it's a good. It's a good read given the sources that the LA times will they're not they're not attributed there. But you gotta figure that they they got really clued in on how that that. Search really went on for so long. I have been critical of it. But there's even references text messages that were that were viewed by the writer who wrote the story about money people that were trying to get stuff done and updates dejected. Updates at cetera et cetera. And I thought that was pretty interesting. It was a fascinating read like the idea that they thought they should this is what's so stupid. Jay Wright is a Villanova legend a Philly guy. A future hall of Famer a two time national champion at this point in his life. Why would he leave for UCLA? Could you not say the same exact thing about John Calipari Kentucky? He didn't leave. Okay, easy. Tiger say presenting it for the listeners. Yes. You could say the same thing about John berry, and guess what did not leave? He was never leaving like damn Walken who like me as a former John Kerry beat writer like re tweeted this story and was like UCLA really thought they were getting John Calipari because they've never read anything about John cale Perry. Like, this is what he does. You just have to be smarter than that. It's exactly like recruiting. It's exactly like recruiting. I've talked to coach is about this before they go. You have to be smart enough to know who you who you can really get in not get don't think you're in there. Just because the kid will put you on a list. And if you say, hey, would you really come here? And he's like, yeah. I could see myself if you know, he really comment don't waste your time. Because ultimately, you're just wasting your time same thing here. John Calipari is never taking your job as long he's not leaving Kentucky for your job. And he certainly not doing it for comparable money, much, less less money. And yet UCLA like this associated is like sending up we really thought we had cow. What you're insane in there calling Mark view not taking your job who has already previously said, not UCLA. I thought that was weird. But yeah, I mean, we talked about. Few weeks ago on the podcast. Like, I, you know, sometimes people say, well, you know, you've got at least make the phone call. Let me go in help everybody right now if you have a job opening and care how great of a job is do not call in college. Not NBA job. Oh, instability investigation leads to bad things that Kansas Bill self. It's fire Keynes's job as open. Don't call. Mark few. He's not taking it don't call John Calipari. He's not taking it. Don't call J. Right. He's not taking it. Don't call ROY Williams. He's not taking it. Don't call Mike shoshefsky. He's not taking it. Don't call Tom Izzo. He's not taking it. Don't call. Tony bennett. He's not taking it like, you don't you don't have to make the call. It is a waste of time. So the UCLA out there actually thinking they were going to junk calbury of just hilarious to me calling J, right? Mark view is. Hilarious to me. But back to your initial point. I do know that there were conversations, but between Krispies people and UCLA at a very surface level like UCLA wondering would do this. And I was told they were told if you wanna put an offer on the table and try to blow him away, you know, like you could do that. But I think this is the one time where UCLA properly understood they just were not going to get crispier. I think I don't wanna speak for Chris. But when you look around college basketball right now, there could be some big jobs opening Arizona could open a kiss literally any day, even though it might not any day Kansas could open at some point. We don't know what this investigations going to turn up. And so I think Chris is just happy in Lubbock like let's start there. And obviously now well compensated in Lubbock. But I think he's also smart, and he knows that they if my goal is to get an eight level job from Texas Tech. I guess UCLA's one of them. But it's not the best fit for me. And there's going to be better fits that. Open up soon, perhaps. And then I can either stay in Lubbock or maybe take one of those. And I think that's probably the proper approach other words bottom line. I think UCLA was interested in crispier, or at least the idea of crispier d-, but concluded pretty quickly like maybe after one conversation that you'd really have to blow him away with money. And obviously, you're not gonna outbid Texas Tech. You know, if you're going to try to put six million on the table, then they they'd have probably gone the six million whatever they had to do. So you're not going to be able to build a big twelve school. And you know, I don't know of crispier wanted to move to Westwood like crispier is a Texas guy. I'm not saying he couldn't be great. It was what should we could be? But I I don't think he thought it was a great fit and UCLA moved on pretty quickly. That was my understanding at least, let's let's get ATL here. This has been a good conversation. But we want you wanna wrap this bad boy up. I do want to wrap this bad boy up the Mets are in zero zero game. Jacob degrom got a three hitter going. So I want to focus the rest of my night on that. We got an MBA game that is about to start between the nuggets and blazers. So shouts Devon Downey's. Yes. To Chester, South Carolina Shasta, Terry fatigue. He's alleged shouts to the home alarm. Now. I thought fifteen thousand was pretty good for you. But I think maybe you could have worked a little better deal. If you to double dip got fifteen from TJ gas Nola, maybe another twenty twenty five or so from Sean. 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"Johnny Miller 24, Tony Kornheiser 1"

The Tony Kornheiser Show

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"Johnny Miller 24, Tony Kornheiser 1"

"Previously on the Tony Kornheiser show. I'm staying true to the Redskins switched over to the ram. Okay. And then the game last night, the nighttime game, it sounds like it was amazing. I'm staying with my parents. They were watching the Americans. I wanted to. I came here. What the score. Wow. Well, I don't know if you've ever seen episode three through six and season. One of the American again still holds up. This is General George Washington, and you're listening to the Tony Kornheiser. Alrighty. Then we're live at Jeter applaud yourself coming in for breakfast and you. Everybody was consonant, northwest and Jennifer street, northwestern friendship heights. David Aldridge is with us. Liz Clark is with us. Michael Kornheiser with us. Nigel will produce the show run. The board do news I just wanted to. That was it was great to have Greg Garcia, isn't it? Great. We had Mitch Albom one day and Greg Garcia. The next. I mean, I wish I've always told you. I knew Greg was funny. I didn't know it was this. I mean, I always knew he'd be successful. I didn't know be successful title. I don't want to say that common. He's done. Great. That's a wonderful thing. So this morning I was coming before we went on the air. We start this show about seven forty or so, and it's like there's like the scarred. There's lightness guy by seven, ten after seven. Something like that. But I am in the habit of about six thirty to six, forty five. I go out with chessy in the backyard, and I throw frisbees around and she runs the frisbee game. Yeah, the frisbee game. She runs like crazy. She churns up the long. There is no lawn just mud back there. I can live with that, but it's so dark at that hour, David, you're driving your kids to school at that out. It's so dark that I can't find the frisbees I she liked gets them. Then she drops them in once either throw more and I don't know where they are. I can't find the dog dark and it's going to just get darker and I fear for the frisbee game because have you noticed how dark it is early and late? Yes, yeah, yeah. No day is frittering away. It is. It is different, but it kind of happens every year. I'm not saying shocking. I'm saying, we've walked into that thing. Thing as you're wrong. When you start your car, your lights on when you drive to wherever you're going, if you leave before seven o'clock in the morning, it's dark. I think I have. I think I have a fix for this for the frisbee game. What lights on the frisbee, if the little one is send us on neon. Frisbees no, the frisbees, the frisbee, those Buddha things that are hard plastic that can't be soft. She bites you through them. She rips through them anyway, we, we need to order five new ones every single month. But if you have something soft tungsten for his tongue, frisbee would be what I if you put running lights on, if she didn't eat the lights, you know what I mean? If there was maybe so when you're out in the morning and you see runners on there yet. They have lights of some sort and can see them coming from great distance. If the Buddha people what, what does it, it's not whammo for his BI turbo disc, turbo turbo disc, if they would make one that that you could find in the dark, that would be a great for four or five months of the year. I live. That would be a great day. Also. Have these like neon collars for dogs that you could like a little? Yeah, but I could see her as well or at least low concern about her. I know she's in the yard and she'll eventually want to eat. These. Jake's and we show later in the day in inevitably you asked me to walk through the alley collecting just thrown lined related that day over the fence. You never know what happens. Let's start elimidate trivia night tonight. A chatter tonight and baseball. The chatter tonight obviously twenty seven thousand five, right? Yeah, where the Red Sox game, that's the Astros and the Red Sox, and that's gonna. That's gonna frost. Alex bregman. He does not always don't prime. He's not prime time to tiger -til. That's the most. Yeah. Yeah, what that's right. What time tiger what when when what's his name? When Floyd Mayweather fights. He's the main of an right. He's going to be angry because that's actually bigger draw. That is Houston. Boston is the bigger draw in the dodgers in Milwaukee Bill is and very happy. We'll get to that. We'll start with a football game last night this, and let me start by saying this Tom Brady is if you're going to say, who's the. Best quarterback of all time in that conversation, you have to include Tom Brady, yes, he's right there is the best quarterback of time. Patrick Mahomes looks like the the new young great quarterback, right? Yes, yes. But Arron Rogers is the best quarterback right now. He is the best quarterback Aaron Rodgers, and you can see this last night. He won the game him. He won the game. He delivered the mail. He threw for four hundred twenty five yards. Two touchdowns and no picks interest you in that. If you like the quarterback q. when you like them as much as Aaron Rodgers, he got ten points in the last one, fifty, five. He got the ball back with no time outs. None. What did he have left under minute? Fifty four seconds. I think right. And he went down the field just down the field shore throws the most perfect pass and often David and Liz because you've come what Bolton throws. While going backwards? Yes. I'm wondering what limping. What do you say when you see that guy? He's the best piece the best. I don't that at all and the throwing mate of Saint browse great catch, but he put it exact the only place it could be for it to be completed. And again, Saint brandy, great catch and got out of bounds and that setup for field. He's throwing it. He's got no time outs. This is football one on one. You give him the middle of the field. You protect the out of bounds. Any still, right? He still climbing two of them just like he did to who wasn't in the playoff game against Dallas. Two years ago, he hit the tight end down the down the sideline for thirty five yards and possible pests that Marty Bennett at that point. It was the guy that was with the raiders and I can't remember his name now. He was only cook cook and it's the pass. He makes all the time in crunch time. I mean, he's he's the best. Here's the. Between being our in Rogers and being someone else like CJ Beathard z. j bathroom goes downtown late in the game and gets picked giving Rogers the ball on the nine without timeouts. And it results in and it results in not a Hartfield both Mason Crosby had the worst night of his life last week through key missed four field goals and extra point on any other team dome. Yeah. In most other teams, your cut that night now he's played their longtime one of the things that probably saves them. One of the things not all of them is Rogers puts his on. Yeah, peewee racism puts this round on the bench tells him, don't worry. It's going to be all right. Yeah. How many kick last night? Four. He had four four last night including the walk on, right, right. Courtesy of Aaron Rodgers who he's phenomenal. He's on. I think he's certainly on that shortlist to. Of best ever. I mean, you probably needs a couple of more Super Bowl wins any may not ever get that. He's thirty four. Yeah, there's still got some time. He's got a lot of. It's not right Elway. He's not Elway's faulted defense, good enough to get away. Went to five. He did and uses only gone to one. That's true. That's so you know. So that's at some point when you're when you're grading. That's a factor. So Jeff, Ma oneness game last night, Jeff, Mont, which I thought was stupid in lambo took the forty Niners plus nine and a half, Jeff Ma is three one in one this week. He's sixteen ten and two heels that good. No, that's really good. And for reasons I don't understand Kevin Sheehan, and apparently Scott van pelt friends of mine are in a fight with Jeff Ma this, right? A Twitter fight seen this. I would think it's different different ways of looking at gambling. I would guess Kevin like different decide and Scott are hard core. Okay. At Scott, this things. Beats? Yes, this is this very, very pop, very. It might be the single most popular thing on ESPN Scott van pelt and bad beats. It's brilliant. It's brilliant, but I think that they are somewhat disdainful of Jeff mom would Kevin set to me the other day. Yeah, yeah. He can win and blackjack a sports betting unwinnable he's sixteen ten and two. What is Kevin say? Yeah. He goes, he goes with the public. Well, if you went the other way last night lost. Kevin's big thing is going against the grain. You know, I'm just saying the Jeff Ma so far sixteen in tents, killing it. Yes. So if you bet with Jeff Ma, you'd be making money right? Killing it to Kevin seventy goods are we? I think I think our position on this show is that any fights among good friends on this show is good for the show. They hate each other good. We try like still that fire little bit. That would be steel cage match baseball game, none of tone. Sorry, it's okay way. If you, if if you were Cheesehead last night. The life. Last night? Yes, the Packers won and the brewers. One Bill is in very, very happy. Although if you're Cheesehead you have to go back and forth like they do. Because they have the wife was all Packers. She's all pack. Second baseball. So Packers listening, really, I'm spying Spicer it'd be exciting game a great game. Were you missed you missed the baseball game in Milwaukee. Does what Milwaukee does the score early nineteen pitchers. The moment, Josh hater in the game, it doesn't matter of game or send him. Yeah, eight pitches to strikeout see around and then they go to Jeffers differs has not been quite as dicey as Craig. Kimbrel has been for Boston, but shaky very shaky shaky basis. Loaded went out of shape, but then struck. Now I did watch the pre-game. I watched some of the pre k. I watched. I watched at least thirty minutes and I thought bureau is going to go in and shut them down for about five or six straight. And they get a run immediately and it's the first inning earned run. He's given up and I think twelve starts yourself on Hannibal at Dodger Stadium, and he was hit -able. Although we had a good game, the last home run that made it for nothing makes us statistics look bad, but that's a one. Nothing game for six innings to nothing game into the eighth inning. I think soared seventy eight. Yeah, and the dodgers didn't hit dodgers got five hits the relievers come in their leaves go three and two thirds and they give up nothing, right, right. I'm one of those people who thought and thinks that the dodgers are better team, and I'm I'm beginning to think I'm wrong. Brewers have been so. Resilient. I mean, they wouldn't twelve straight to to to get in into beat the cubs on the road division. Yeah, so that they have a toughness about them that is really striking to me that seems to be able to overcome the vagaries of game to game, especially in the playoffs. They just seem to figure out ways to win every day that that's really impressive to manager. Looks like a guy who's walking your dog. Craig counsel way, seventy five pounds. He looked getting. He looks dog Walker. He goes to the bullpen early. He gets great result, but he stayed with Jason last night longer than you would have thought. Third, right? By the way you've pitchers now, if you get out of five, you're considered to be an right. All right, six. 'cause nobody's doing that anymore. It was a good good for Bill and it was a good game. It looks to me like first of all, they now no matter what happens. They get to go back home. Yes, at least one more day. They get to go back home even if the worst happens to them, which is good. I like to three to the NBA went away. Well, there was some arguments against two to three to that. The thought was, it's it's so hard to win three games in a row in the finals. You're kind of penalizing the three team that has three home games by putting them all together thought was it makes it very difficult for them to win three in a row. And if they lose one of those three, then they have to win to on the road to win the championship. And there was some thought that that was a bit unfair that they should stagger it a little bit more and I get that. 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Sure. Two. Yeah, very Bobby in tearful, Jason lockenfora CBS sports joins us. Now we have two questions of import before we start the football stuff. One is how how's the dog? What? What where we with the dog with copper, he's my lap as we speak. We go to see the surgeon on Friday. Okay, so hopefully we get a little clarity on our point of attack. If we're which they were doing. I like cetera. How many second mortgages do I need? Third? What I need to do to pay for this thing. He's, you know, he's a pretty good spirits. It's just, you know, just kinda not limping, but just, you know, kinda laboring a little bit. We're rooting for the dog, and we think you should talk to him about Aaron Rogers and his ability to get you into. Usually sleep before the primetime games come on. Right? So he did not get to see exploits last night. I watched for both of us, but yeah, he's going to be hobbled here even more than once we figure out which needs going I. But yeah, that was something else. Last night. I mean, you talked about a one man army, right? I mean, he's got a punch of receivers who most people never heard of. He'd resurrects Jimmy grant from the dead. You know, running back by committee, beat up offense of line defense can't stop CJ Beth, third, but they get. They get the w. o. one other question all the question I needed receivers for this was the guy you wanted to Tehran, Taiwan Taylor's, any good from Tennessee. I they, they don't throw them in. He gets open deep, but they just can't. That's not mariota's game. And that's really not how they're structured. I, I'd stay away from that offense, highly right now. He was. He beat Jimmy Smith 'bout fifteen yards in that. Game on Sunday and had a chance for a seventy yard bomb. Mariota threw it to a different code. So let me let me stay with that for a second discouraged. David often I watch Tennessee. They've been on a few times on the red zone all the time. They they don't do much offensively mariota who is nimble and quick was sacked, eleven at some point, doesn't an offense. Coordinator have to say, let's go to something else. Right coordinator, Matt leflore who is supposed to be part of this Sean McVay family tree, but that that that routes going to take a while to hold or you know, it's gonna take a while for that that that Bush to grow or whatever. He, you know, a lot of people wondered if he was ready for that job and we'll see, this is what he's, he's got a great group skill players. Delaney Walker is tight end who stir it was, you know the straw that started that during he made everything going, the passing game. They lose him for the season. Very early on. I, I don't know that there can read is, is anything special or that even fits their scheme. They should probably use the on Lewis more than they do. And look. There tackles are supposed to be there twin pillars that's supposed to be their Dacian building blocks conklin and Luan when they're getting overrun by Jude on dairy Smith that you've got, you've got some problems. And I know those guys have been on the injury report a lot, and they're probably not close to one hundred percent, but the. Amazing thing about the AFC south is guys right there. I mean, they play games this year. I don't think they've scored enough touchdown yet to three and three, and they've got head to head wins over teams in their division like they're almost kind of sort of sitting pretty, but I've never seen anything like that. If you give up eleven sacks and you drop that fifty five times because you're, you know, down by they only only back twenty seven times. If I was Marcus mariota and they sent in a play where I had to pay us, I wat- about the line of scrimmage and hand the ball off because my line is being overrun right oval, Robin, sax nervous firing still hundred percent correctly and his arm, and he's always got knee injuries or this or that. Have you just sending Gabbard out in the fourth quarter when it's twenty one? Nothing and you're clearly not coming back. You know what I mean? When you're getting stacked every drop back like I don't know how about you send somebody else to the wolves that this guy, his allegedly a franchise quarterback. So I said this on on the show last night, I wouldn't have said this for the past five years. I look at that division now with Baltimore and Cleveland, which is pretty good and Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. I think that's the best division in football my wrong or right on this one. It's pretty good. Yeah. I mean, I think you know, we've obviously still got whatever ten ten weeks play right now a couple. Couple injuries could send it in different directions. But yeah, that's very competitive division. The games between those teams have generally been pretty compelling and and somewhat of a toss up. And are they all flaw? Yeah. But I mean three of them can play pretty good defense and Pittsburgh. The last two or three weeks has had the best pass rusher in the NFL they've been getting after people. So that defense seems to be making strides. Yeah, I would. I would generally tend to tend to agree with that, and this could be year. It used to be five, six years ago where it wasn't uncommon, you know, for you to have three teams in that division in the playoffs. You know, in the have them facing each other in the postseason. And I think the chargers are probably going to be a team to be reckoned with from wild card standpoint. I don't think they'll catch the chiefs, but otherwise the other two cards are probably in the the north. I'm still not quite buying Miami. So yeah. What you said before the Tennessee is alive in. Institition that's because of a colossal failure by Jacksonville. They end the number one unbelievable that the number one defense in the league. They were facing the number thirty offense. Number thirty. They gave up forty points. What what is going on? Did we all tremendously overrate Jacksonville or was this just some weird anomaly and they'll get back to being better than that of? They're not going be last year's team and and I my mantra them was they're going to regress they'll probably still win that division because I don't know who else is good in that division. Maybe Houston does come on because and looks better each week and JJ watt looks better each week and they're no great shakes, but could they be the team that gets to nine wins? I mean, eight with tiebreakers might might win that division. No team in that division has a positive scoring differential. I mean, we're not talking two or three weeks into the season, like for six weeks in nobody that division is scored more points than they've allowed. Jacksonville's flawed. Jacksonville cannot play from behind at all. Blake Bortles in their last three losses. First, half QB rating is forty. Nine point, eight one. So when he's giving it up and the defense is slipped and they don't have for net who I don't think anything special, but at least I guess, gives them a semblance of power running game. Then the quarterbacks gotta be somebody who at least keeps them in games, and he's second the NFL turnovers and he's not keeping them in games, and he is. He's always been, which is maybe he's the starting quarterback, but he's probably not. And if he wasn't drafted, third overall, he'd probably make it five million a year as a backup somewhere and not eighteen million a year as the supposed- starting quarterback of a SuperBowl caliber team defensively. I think those guys got a little high on their horse last year. I think they, they kind of bought the hype a little too much. And this we as a way of humbling you, are they going to be able to keep that defy. Together. I mean they, they're window to me. It was pretty finite and for them just a basically punt on twenty eight teen and say, oh yeah, we'll just roll back out with Bortles because he wasn't got off on the plane. So, yeah, you know maybe once he hit seventy starts, he'll turn the corner like. Know who he is. He's fifty came into the week, it twenty fourteen. He's thrown mortar substance than anybody in the NFL cincy league twenty fourteen his QB rating is eighty one point eight right behind Brian Hoyer and right ahead of Trevor simian. That's who he is. That's who you re upped with. Now you're dealing with it. Wow. I didn't know all those things, but I'm happy to know those things. Let me give to the main event which was New England, Kansas City. What did New England show you and what? And this is. I know you don't know this. I think you don't know this. I don't think anybody knows this except the two people involved. God love to know what Tom Brady said to Pat Mahomes when he ran over to at the end of the game because it must have been incredibly complimentary must might have been you're in the club or jacket. Here's the elite QB card. I just put in your back pocket whenever you want. I that would obviously I have not been able to handicap games very well this year, but that was exactly what I thought it would be a shootout that built to this crescendo where Tom Brady Tom Brady things to show that we're still a little bit better than you and we haven't fallen off the horse and you know what the road to the Super Bowl in the AFC goes back through Foxborough. You know their loss at Jacksonville, weak twos, not gonna matter. Jacksonville's not getting the twelve or thirteen wins whoever again, everyone's AFC south doesn't matter. Now they've got the checkmate on Kansas City. We know the Pittsburgh can't play in Foxborough. So I think that was a statement game for for the patriots and as for Kansas City, they showed that they belong there worthy there in that class. But you don't get that win that suits on. I'm sorry, like everything you did in that comeback and what you did to build out of that slow start and that early. Hole was special and it shows that great things are ahead but not at the expense of Tom Brady just yet. So I I made a list the other day and I think sixteen of the thirty two teams or either at five hundred or within one game of five hundred. And I know the Rams are undefeated and this point. But I'm sort of wondering when you look at the big bulge in the middle, what what does that tell you about the league this year, which by the way, I guess everybody who who watches red zone knows this the hour from like three from three thirty to four fifteen on the early window. It's unbelievable at Ford. Five, thin tastic fourth quarters every week, but what we're are we with the league. Well, I think this is this is what they want. I mean, they called perte. You might want you somebody calling mediocrity or whatever, but it does lead to a certain level of excitement when. These teams get together and you know the, there's just not a lot separating them, and it's one mental mistake. One misfield goal. You know, it's Tariq Cohen from one at the goal line, and then Miami going the length of the field and missed field goals over time and and and all that stuff. I mean, there's, I mean the Washington Carolina game. I mean, that was another one that that came down to the end and you're wondering Cam gonna pull this thing. Oh, we over. He sailed it three Turk past events as they were terrible passes. Yeah, I just think that's the league Tony. I mean, that's that from a macro level, that's how it set up. That's the way the draft works. That's the way the scheduling process works. That's the way revenue sharing works. That's the way the salary cap model works. I mean, you've had this New England who've been the alternate anomaly and you know to a lesser degree, you've got, you know, Pittsburgh in Green Bay kinda always in it because of their quarterbacks. But you know, you've got those five or six, true. I Kana quarterbacks at any given time who really do immediately vont your team as long as healthy at least two playoff contention and the rest. And then you've got every year, you know five to ten teams who really don't have a clue, but they could stumble in the winds here there. And everybody else is just, you know. Beating the heck out of each other every week trying to get one of those wild card spots. I think that's exactly how the league wanted. It keeps people engaged it it. It keeps fans interested. It keeps Vegas interested. It keeps people's fantasy. Football teams interested. You know, I it, it I, that's what that's what the league really is all about. And I think last year and the ratings being down and attendants being down and everything else, there was all these anti reasons for it. I think it started with the we're play and you lost so many quarterbacks to long-term injuries, and you had teams that really had no hope. And you've got guys like Brett Hundley running around their ten straight weeks. That's not, you know, that's not good enough. That's that's. That's not the quality of football that people are custom to. And that's why you've seen these rule changes because it's like these quarterbacks more than ever really are the franchise. They are the league and people don't engage with us nearly as much when Aaron Rodgers into Shawn Watson and and Carson Wentz on the football field. I plugged the podcast but don't rile up the dog. Okay. Staring at me. Do it in in in a real Wilson, just do it. No. Okay. This week on the feel so weird. I was already doing it this way. Gene Kelly, what a way to go. Podcast. Get idea. He's he's propped up laugh right now. We don't want upset copper. Thanks always tone. You can always check out me and my buddy Jerry Coleman on the be more penetrated. Podcast, EM show dot com at the more. I can't remember what our Twitter handle anyway. 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We will sold out with you'll Washington Wizards some very exciting news coming out of that camp, Dwight Howard practice days. That's right. Reported feeling good following the workout. This is what Scott Brooks said after that too early to tell whether he will actually play on Thursday night, but he didn't practice today did absolutely everything. NBA players of always amazed me the here for a reason, but he played well, I'm not sure what that entire sentence, but I guess we'll take from that white out actually go on the court yesterday. So we have this question for David and it's not. I don't care about the white. Our. I mean, I really don't ask this hashtag unit. David is now, you know, David is now working for the Atlantic. David is producing copy. The David is doing something, but for the first time in x. amount of years. And that is the question. David is not at the beginning of the NBA season on the road for Turner, correct. How does how many years and how does that feel. Well, it was fourteen years for Turner, merrily doing games, but you know, did eight years at ESPN before that right, didn't do as many games at least not at the beginning, but was in studio a lot, especially on opening night, you know. So it's a little weird. It's a little odd being not being on a plane somewhere over the weekend. I expect it to be, but it was. But I went to the football game. It was a, it was the first day actually felt like I worked at the letting it was. It was a little odd, not odd. It was just different. It was like, wow, this is what I do now. This is my job now. So the school. So we'll so what's next? I mean, will you go to an NBA game? We'll sure good a lot of a game, but I mean, like opening day you want for the wizards. Yeah, Thursday night. Yeah, but nothing tonight for the two games that'll be on Turner tonight. So now I'm out of that business. Will you watch? Sure, of course out of habit you will watch. Yeah. I mean, I love the NBA most going to watch the NBA. It's there's, no, this is the interesting part to me. When I stopped doing Monday night football, I basically stopped watching Monday night football. I was a little too close to it. I knew how it operated in certain ways. I didn't feel that I could be objective amounted now I've, no, I'm fine now, but I wonder if there's any part of you that says, oh, that guy or that girls doing my job? No, because number one, I think our circumstances of departure or slightly different. So. No, and they have great people. I don't know who's doing the game tonight, but whether it's Kristen lead lower Roz or Allie Laforce they're very good at what they do in terms of sideline reporter, so they've got good people there. And that was one of the reasons I, I felt okay about leaving because I knew we had a whole bunch of good people could do that. I certainly had no illusions that they couldn't replace me. I mean, that was absurd. So life goes on. Sure. All network. They're going to do with that. It's okay to room that Sean Spicer was gonna. I don't accurate. Slightly neck. What else we offer news, we will stay with the NBA Mr. Tony great day for Larry Nance junior, he signs a four year forty four point. Eight million dollar extension will the Cleveland Cavaliers. This is what he have ridge last year. What was the Cleveland Cavaliers? This is not terrible. It's fine. It's eight point. Nine points and seven rebounds, it's serviceable. It's fine. It's not starter. It's not starting. It's okay. You stay in the league? Sure. It's forty, four point, eight million dollars for four more years, and he's scaring t right. Oh, oh, yes. They're gonna let you don't encourage your children be professional athletes because it's never gonna happen. Well, if it does happen her, you're very, very wealthy. I wanted to ask you a question. You did a QNA with Dale Earnhardt so so you've you've all you liked the dad? Very much? Yes. How do you feel about junior and how do you feel about his circumstances now here. I have extraordinary respect for Dale Jr. believe he's forty four. Now he retired from NASCAR from racing last November. I covered a lot of motor sports different forms, but primarily stockcar racing, but different forms. I mean, anytime it's it's like football, but I feel more strongly on this point. Anytime and athlete can walk away on his own terms from from a long career in in motor sports. I'm thrilled and it's sort of easy for us to say, what is their own terms when it comes to head injury, you know, it's that black box. It's that visible thing. They don't know any more than we know is there lingering issues that weren't surface later, but he has written a book that's coming out. I think this week about about his experience with concussions and what that had to do with his retirement. It had a lot to do with his decision to retire. And over the years I've tried to talk about heading. Reese with numerous NFL players and you often get, or I typically would get, I'm not worried about it or I don't wanna know the science I'm going to. I'm going to learn about that later right now. I'm doing this for my family or it's in God's hands. I mean the response it's sort of gives you know room to question. I mean, that's a personal thing. If you feel it's in God's hands. I'm glad you have that faith, you know. So for me to be able to sit with Dale junior. I guess we spoke about thirty five minutes and just hear him talk. So frankly, and openly and candidly about. His series of symptoms, and I don't even know that he can give a firm number of concussions. There's at least four specific ones detailed in the book, and then it's followed by cluster, and I forgot to ask him about, do you have any question about your early racing career racing, late models where they're hit. So there's no firm number, but it's more than anybody would want for your child or yourself. Anyone you love. So he, he spoke just very candidly about the links. He would go to to mask the symptoms to hide the symptoms. To, yeah, all athletes. And then how petrified he was when he finally in two thousand twelve, went to see the specialist at the university of Pittsburgh who deals with a range of professional athletes in Pittsburgh around the country. And got a treatment plan and was told we can fix this. But the rehab work was incredibly difficult and he spoke, I just assume what your professional athlete, you love goals. You love targets. You love having a plan, you surely through yourself into the treatment plan. He's like, no, no, no, no, no, I would have just happily rolled over in gone to bed. You know, stayed in bed every morning. It was my girlfriend. My fiancee now, his wife who was the real force behind getting him to do the work and just I won't recapitulate everything he said, but there was just a frankness. A lack of any fear of being judged about what you're a man, you're an athlete, you're an Earnhardt my God. You know, you can't acknowledge that you, you headings idee and you're talking about a cute anxiety like twenty times the amount of normal exiled. Zayed's. So to me, it was so refreshing and and he's doing this in service to others. I mean in hopes that others. Athletes and non athletes who want to just not deal with it. See that could have a good ending, and he says, he's not worried about long-term consequences that he has recovered and he's out of the car. And I surely hope that's true, but he's he's a really eloquent spokesperson for for this this illness that afflict afflicts hockey players, bull riders rodeo people, soccer players, BMX racers. I mean, boxers obviously it's not just boxers, football players. It's a range of athletes. What does the rest of his life look like? You see staying in the in the NASCAR business? Yeah. I mean, it's, he's, that's another thing. I'm so impressed with him. I mean, like his dad was he is just a worker. He never saw the bunny that came with this sport as a ticket to not work. I mean, it was, I still have to get a well. His dad was get up at five work on the farm drive the tractor, go practice, the car, raced the car, put the roof on the house, fix the fence. I mean, just this obsessive hard-working guy, but is even as his career competitive career was coming to an end. He started talking with NBC about doing work in the studio. In fact, I think he had done some during a hiatus to deal with the head injury. He took a few windows off during his career to deal with head injury, so it never Kurd to him. And this is something we talked about back in February. When we had interview at the Olympics in South Korea. It's just a course I, I need to work, you know? So he's now really trying to be good at being a commentator, an analyst. He does a podcast, I think it's weekly that he puts a lot of work into. He's a car owner. He owns, he has one hundred ninety employee's for his own business. People have no idea so that that's a the the sort of AAA level of NASCAR. But it's a very competitive strong. I think three or four car race team operation again that his sister runs believe his, his mom works there a lot of his friends, many one hundred ninety people depend on him being their boss. So he's he's working really hard, and he and his wife had their first child are really flows. I mean, I met him found him, of course, surprisingly, surprisingly pleasant and for auto racing. Most of whom most of the ones I had met with the exceptions of Jimmy Johnson and Jeff Gordon who are Californian by birth. Most of the other ones are very big on macho guys, very competitive on everything and like your questions are stupid, you know? And he was not like he was born into it and he was not like that. He was not like that. I sort of liked what else can you? Yes. Then you Liz mental trails Missa, Tony to Paul, Allen Microsoft co-founder, billionaire investor. Passed away from non Hodgkin's lymphoma, which he'd been battling five, two thousand nine sixty five. So he owned a Seahawks. He owned the Trail Blazers. In the team is willing, but even Seattle Sounders these three giant names in the computer revolution, three giant names for the American public or Steve Jobs share all Allen and Bill Gates. Sure. Only Bill Gates only Bill Gates remains, and these are all guys. They're all. What did you do? I dropped out of school at. And I say my world, yeah. Right, right. Nominal. It's sad jobs and pull out. What else? Funnel story about Bill self in Kansas and a digital historic continues to move on. Says a little bit of Maryland in it to take you back to two thousand seventeen as lawyers for Kansas and Adidas. We're finishing up twelve year. One hundred ninety. One million dollar extension for the company's sponsorship contract with Kansas and coach, Bill self. This text message from Tigray TJ gas Nola who is a top consultant for Dita's basketball who was on trial at the moment. Yes, hall of Famer. Thank you for help with getting this extension done. Thanks brother. Self replied, I'm happy with the Dita's just go to a couple of real guys and guest known replied in my mind. It's k. you Bill self. That's what's right for his basketball. The more you win have lottery picks and you happy. I promise you, I got this. I've never let you down except the Andre LOL and he's over referring to eight. Yes. Apparently family got one hundred gram, yes. Zone with macaroni. This is the tricky part is this if you want to say they are in cahoots, those messages, make it easy, but they don't in fact prove that anything illegal was being done. They don't. This is the way the way business is done is you get a little bit of help from your sneaker company, but you have a contractual relationship with your sneaker company. And so this help is sort of quid pro quo. And that doesn't mean you know that money is being handed, doesn't does does not. Everybody looks dirty and everybody probably smells. And we all know that this happens, but that doesn't mean that on any specific kid right that you know, you don't you? Well, not an exoneration. Excuse me. It's not like sangha. Cavanaugh was proven innocent. No thing is over here is not being innocent. I I, I think I see more in that than you do, but intellectually, I understand. But in in a court of law, giving, you know, judge is going to charge you with with more than just that looks ban. Yeah, there's it looks bad and it is. They will. It's all better. Simply, it's higher education. It's not one professional. Right. Understand. That's why I said a sensibly. Ties back to Maryland Maryland's gut diamond stone. Some other kid, some other kid was and in may not by the way it may not even be the kid, but somebody, parents, guardians, somebody's got their hands, highly recommend story in the athlete by Dana o.'neil, which she's celebrate. Just wrote a great piece yesterday about this stuff out this stuff and about the fact that. Most of the time nowadays, these kids and I think diamond stones, a great example that you do all these things to get. They're not that good. Get clean. So you put your school, your job, all of that in jeopardy. Invert kit. That's not worth it. You know, and and it's abdication as terp point of the story was an abdication of the coaches responsibilities to not just identify talent, but develop it and make players setter gone too soon. And now it's just about assistant coaches who can get you guys and not coach the guys that's in the in the all right. We'll take a break. We'll have old guy radio. When we return. 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Fifty years ago today recruited I think recorded fifty years ago today. Ninety sixty eight. Yes, as the area critical commentary. This song has been covered by Lada ropes. This is a classic nineteen sixties American rock and roll song and Jay black can sink where he can really say. He was singing well into his seventies. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you can look this up. He's really good. Yeah. I mean, it's like. Got a song called CARA. Mia, he hit you if you. If you. It was. It was like the guys remember the guy, Gary Puckett and. The one Bs bowl not could hit. Jay. Black could range a lot of range and he's really good. A are Ghazi Smith Ghazi Smith. Yup. Yeah. This is a ridge Alie recorded by Bennie king and the drifters that's got to number six in the judge and ironically enough for interestingly enough, I suppose Jane Americans version also got to a high of number six in the six six is is it went on the Benny king version sixty sixty. I thought it was old. A lot of that. It's a great, great. But you run about Jane Americans. The other come a little bit closer. Yeah, but the the number one, the first song they had when they were Jay of the Americans, I actually think it may have been a different j. John John J trainer Bruton. Yes. And that was that was she cried? Yes, both Jays could blow the bathroom doors off. I mean, nearly hit these fantastic notes. The second JJ black is in New York City kid. I don't know about the first one. Jay, right? Joan. Yeah. Also in New York kid. No longest signing passed away on two thousand fourteen, but at Brooklyn kit. Yep. New York. Okay. So I wanted to just briefly talk about my round of golf on Sunday when I was playing four Columbia country club against Chevy Chase country club at Columbia in something called the LeMond Cup, and I will Mosca months. It's not laments no in the Cup, and I was I was playing with the older people, whereas my son, Michael was playing with the younger people. Michael wanted to discuss his invitation only event. You had to beg your way in. Did I was offers data you playing on Sunday? No, no? Is there an event? I begged my way, but please talk about your room. Oh, I was playing. I was playing with Jeff Gordon from Columbia, and this is a three point. Nassau match against the Chevy Chase club, and we were playing with two great Chevy guys playing with Lance and Roland from over there, we actually split our entire match. Nobody ever had more than a one up lead, which is pretty rare. Considering that there's some strokes. We have the home course advantage, but it's just you giving everybody strokes. Yeah, I think we had there was probably eight strokes play for the majority of the players in our group. So it just it means you're trying to approach the whole differently because you're sort of looking at half the whole saying, I need to make birdie to at least be competitive because. Opponents getting two strokes on that hole. Yeah, so, but you split? Yeah, we split and I think Columbia had a margin, a small margin of victory in the overall match. Okay. So I was playing with Jimmy cruelly. Who I dearly love and cruelly played. I was terrible, terrible, terrible, three different holes. I've just said, I'm in my pocket. I was over the green. I was in the I was I don't think I broke hundred forty eight degrees when I saw you at seven fifteen in the morning and you were geared up, you're ready to go. I was in on the ranch. MIR sweater all the club. I was so great on the range, and I was so bad out on the course and cruelly was great. We want to and a half to a half and Jimmy trillion on our last hole and this salvaged half a point on the what was our second nine are back nine, Jimmy cruelly. Had a downhill, twelve foot putt down. Downhill, braking, right in the heart of watery on the court. He made the pot and we played against guys, Trevor v Tor and Pete Evans who I like very, very much. I've played in this thing out twice and I've enjoyed it thoroughly. I just have really enjoyed it. And I've been on the winning end twice and I won't be sometimes I wasn't even invited back if winning, but we had a really good time and I'm just praising. I just wanna praise cruelly because he had no partner. He had no partner. His partner was a wall totally a and the day before I played well, I played with Kevin. I played with Brian golden bud, Gabe him, and combined in in an event. We shot fifty eight. We would twelve under. I had five or six pars I was good. And in this thing would cruelly stunk. You said you'll get on the range though. Right? I'm always in the rain. Okay, relation, you always hear about the pitches owes my words bullpen singed session ever. And then I went and threw a no hitter. Does that of a correlation if you know any show. Up early. I want to shotgun. So you're basically doing a loop ran the entire course. I saw dad at one point. He was walking about thirty yards away from the entire group walking aimlessly towards the Greek. Terrible. That was number fourteen, I was terrible, absolute embarrassingly terrible. And so my contribution to the group was to make everybody laugh, Florida, early release, worth a couple of shots. A couple of shots. My job. Okay. So this morning? Yes. You know what? I won't get to this. Now, let's get to Johnny Miller. There was a report yesterday in golf, weekly, Johnny. Miller was retiring from NBC. I was surprised at Johnny Miller's age. Johnny Miller is younger than I thought, I think of Johnny Miller as complete contemporary of Jack Nicklaus who is in his late seventies younger. No, he's younger, he's seventy one, Johnny. Any just his the arrival the other day that prompted him to finally do. This was the rival of his twenty fourth grandchild how his twenty dollars get worth Miller's, putting in some work. There is enough to task twenty four grand grandchild. Johnny Miller is leaving NBC. There was a report that he's being replaced by Paul as Inger who now works for FOX that has not yet been confirmed, but Johnny Miller confirmed his part of this. I really liked Johnny Miller owners day Johnny Miller, perhaps sometimes Johnny Miller was overly critical in comparison to other people like in Baker Finch who was who sweet, but never critical at all Johnny Miller and created that archetype within the within the commentator game for that sport, particularly two time when it was very necessary. If you think the majority of these announcers, the pipeline is your former champion. You're gonna be good in the booth. And a lot of these guys, they just had a tryout, say, twenty years ago and they're not critical, and they're not offering the perspective that a lot of the audience wants to hear, which is let me know of somebody messes up. Let me know if. The heat of the moment getting good player. We know they're good, Kevin. Tori was never particularly critical. No Lanny Watkins. Never tickly critically in baker-finch. Not not. They're entertaining, but they are not fellow crushed. People didn't. He didn't fell to a crush people when he was on TV. He seldom. Owen he is softened a little bit now that he's in the main share with Nance over at CBS. But I do think you used to be more critical killed. I mean. Was always critical and Johnny Miller's calling card to be critical was little thing. We like to call a sixty three. Okay, because that's the greatest round ever played in a major. Now it is telling the now that sixty three is not the sacred number. That once was he's lost that card in any sort of stepping away. He's lost. Really his main line there and you saw this, I believe at the Ryder Cup it, it sounded not just tired. It sounded just like the old refrain that he actually did not have anything left to say. Probably recognize that in himself he's gonna do. The last thing is going to do is the Phoenix Open in February. He lives there. He lives in Arizona, and that's the one where they have that one holes at fifteen, whatever the whole is. There's eighty thousand people exceed reading at. No, it's they're just screaming going out of their minds. It's it's unique today looked at their calendar and this is it's tough because we have NBC essentially has the Florida to Texas swing. So you have eight to nine weeks on the road. And today's earlier point about getting back into the calendar of what the basketball schedule look like for for a man in his seventies. That's a lot of Traver. And then he had this big window off because it essentially goes to CBS for the remainder of the summer. And then you have some end of the your vents with NBC as well. I think what's really interesting if the, if the. The. Sorry, who who's who's coming from FOX said as easier. Let me get. This is the mud. I think fair dislikes. The he has as the SAS dawn. They spent a lot of money to get David Ferte away from CBS. And if this opened up that that was my immediate thinking, well, they've they'd stick Ferte in there. Now ferreting may be too niche, maybe to niche for the mainstream audience. I don't know. Some of us are hoping that they'd move away from the the main share has to have a major title to his name to have enough clout to have this because I think golf on TV is ready for disruption. If you see the way people are watching when streams, if you see the voices that are coming into it, the way that architects are entering the commentators chair, the way that younger voices from social media are having fun with this. You would have hoped that they would take a chance, but it's a very safe choice and a lot of sense. I would think they're even employing caddies now bones out there. I think if you wanted to spec. Late down the road who'd Philip chair like that. It'd be Phil Mickelson insurance. I mean, if if he wanted to do it, I thought it would be very, I guess it's as Inger I would just like to see somebody say the kind of thing that you say when you're playing golf yourself, which is God that shot stunk. I was terrible on that. I'm, you know, and I think that stuff is good. I think that koskoff Gulf is not like basketball goes really fast Gulf slows up for you. This show taped shots on golf a lot. You know, I think you could be truly critical and funny. Nobody's runny say one thing that it hurts me. So years ago, I did of long interview with Chris ever spent a lotta time with her. And if you remember she had two stints as a commentator in tennis one that immediately followed her retirement, then she like did the family thing. She was gone for quite a long time. She's back now. She's back and she spoke very specific. Typically firmly about how she found it, almost impossible to speak critically about it from the booth about other tennis players. After having retired just months prior, she just couldn't do it. And it was only after being away some time that she really found her voice and in able to speak. She's really good. I think she's great. He was pretty good. I think she's great. And it's always, you know, it's not like criticism with vendetta, you know, it's very professional, but pointing out things that players not doing well, we're appear. He's. Individual sports. I think you know, it would be hard if you if you follow an active career, right? Very quickly with commentating on your peers. But one of the reasons they do that right away is because you have cash a because everybody knows you as a player in a variety of sports and they stick. You're right in the booth, Tony Romo. Right. And pretty good. Great. I'm pretty Tony Romo. All right. We'll take a break. We'll come back with the end of the show. Yeah, the mailbag mailbag jingle, that's I'm Tony Kornheiser this. He's the Tony Kornheiser show. Here. Thank you. 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02/03: NCAA bans Kansas' Silvio De Sousa for two years; Michigan schools get upset; NC State scored only 24 points (?!)

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02/03: NCAA bans Kansas' Silvio De Sousa for two years; Michigan schools get upset; NC State scored only 24 points (?!)

"Hey there. It's Gary parachute. Sunday, February third two thousand nineteen welcome back to the eye on college basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss Campbell fighting an leaky black sometimes we also discussed Takashi six nine legal troubles. Matt norlander is here with me. And it was an interesting weekend. In college basketball from games perspective. I will be Michigan bowling green beat buffalo. Indiana shock Michigan state at the breslin center. Arkansas shock dillas you at the mayor of each assembly center, North Carolina one at Louisville Mississippi State, wanted ole Miss Virginia tech, humiliated NC state in Raleigh Kentucky, rallied to beat Florida at the vaunted Odom Zion dunked allot, we're gonna get to some of that. Perhaps most of that before this podcast is dumb. But I wanted to start with the big news from Friday night. And that is that the instability finally ruled on Sylvia desouza, and it was not a favorable ruling for Silvio or for as he suspended rest of the season. And all of next season. Other words, the instable a didn't technically Indus college career, but it. Came really close you will appeal, and perhaps the appeal will be successful. But if not Sylvia will not play for Kansas again until the two thousand twenty twenty one season. And that's if he ever plays for canes again at all norlander got a ton of thoughts on this topic. But let me hear yours, I yell. I'll try and be brief here parish because I want to let you kind of take your swings. I do have a call him up that went up on Friday night after the ruling came out at CBS sports dot com. If you haven't read it, please feel free to go go in check on that. I would love to have been in the room or rooms as this decision came to be would love to know, the people on the reinstatement committee, which is not which by the way is not like the committee on infractions that like came down on Missouri and stuff like that different groups operating here within the play. I think that's important to remember there. There are different scenarios and different reasons. Why teams or players might receive suspension Sylvia was trying to get reinstated? And he had this voted against him. I have a hard time believing that human beings involved in this decision could have truly been satisfied with the verdict that they came down on it's completely unfair. I mentioned a particular resolution weirdly enough, by the way. So we're in slack on Friday in Paris, drop, something it could've been all four or five minutes before I actually put it on the page. The solution Bella parish bring it up. I thought that was just way too funny that we were on. The same wavelength their parish because I don't think we'd ever discussed that before heard from a number of people in college, basketball coaches, and otherwise that were frankly, killing the intimately over this one of them quoted in the story, and I you have to have the rule there. But I don't agree with the severity of it whatsoever. This is all tag it with this. Trust me, I got thirteen more minutes. But I'm going to reserve myself on the podcast a lot of what I think is in the column. This though to me is the first indication that the instable a is using plenty of what came up in court. I will remind listeners that Silvio Susa was not sat by Kansas until the very day that the verdicts came down against the three Adidas men in October, and he'd been sitting since then before that he was expected to play. But this is the first instance where we are seeing the instable us what came up in court as evidence to its own investigations in rulings, and it has come down harshly on yet. Another player. That's uncomfortable stance as it takes its time getting to the schools, and the coaches and the twenty nine hundred tournament not going to be interfered with parish. But. It just doesn't sit. Well, with me that you have all of these players continually getting hit with these suspensions with their level of guilt and knowledge in high doubt. And yet they're the ones do on Hernandez Miami. Brian Bowen, there've been others like Ayton who is allowed to play. I can't make sense of what you know. Why one can in one can't and yes for those listening that might be screaming about what about this? I on Williamson factor. I can't answer that for you other than to say that, you know, when that came out, you know, obviously, I made some calls and was told that Duke was extremely diligent in checking on Williamson's background. But that's not gonna stop the cynics and sceptics from basically screaming why is Silvio Seuss allowed to play. When there was a transcript of a phone call between the now found guilty Marocco talking with Kansas assistant Curtis towns in about wise. I on Williamson's. Family member was seeking similar things to what Soviet sucess was, you know, this is a whole messy thing. But Susa should not be sitting two years. Well, I think I can't answer that question of why did de'andre eight and get to continue to play. And why did why Zion playing in? Why Silvio was not allowed to play the answer to that is Kansas held Silvio desert out until it ruled him in eligible at the advice of the incident blaze. So that they could start the reinstatement process. Otherwise, this was going to be an even link the're situation. In other words, if Keynes's because I had a coach asked me this morning. Why did he went all the way back? This coach did the Cam Newton why when this stuff came out about Cam Newton that his father had possibly accepted impermissible benefits for a son to go to Auburn. Why? Did Cam Newton get to continue to play. But then still doesn't. Well. It's very simple. Auburn just said, you know, want we ain't sitting him. We're gonna play him. And then if you guys can investigate and find us or the family guilty of something improper, then we'll deal with that. If we have to deal with that. And we'll vacate if we have to vacate, but we are not sitting down our player that is also what eras ONA essentially did with the eight last season. They said we're not we're going to let him play. We don't think anything's happened. And even if we think something might have happened. We don't think you can prove it. And if you can't prove it some day, then we'll have to maybe vacate everything, but we're going to we're gonna keep playing our player what Kansas decided in advance of this season is that there was a lot of evidence that suggested something improper went on with Silvio Sousa. And if they would have been playing him this season, they would've wrist someday. Vacating whatever happened in the season. Because probably going to have to Kate. What happened last season that's a final four because Sylvia was involved in? So what Keynes's decided, and I think wisely is that we just can't risk that. So they said him out. Didn't they ruled him ineligible? Then they seek reinstatement. And that's how we got to the conclusion that we got two on Friday night that make sense it does it it absolutely makes sense. And it's important. Remember with all of these cases that while motivations for potential instability. Infractions and filings can be similar detail surrounding each player school potential booster are never the same. And it's it's it's the unending problem, frankly with the instable and how it hands out punishments. But Perisher you're you're on the money with that. But was deceased specifically. I do think this was the the truly the first case because the bow and stuff even though suspension came down that wasn't before that case went to trial and a lot of stuff with Hernandez was not tied specifically to stuff that came up in. The trial and just as a quick aside. By the way, we have now had all of the assistant coaches that were tied to the what was to be the third trial. We haven't brought on the podcast, but we should remind listeners if if they're waiting for something that might not even happen now, book Richardson, Lamont Evans, and Tony bland have all pleaded guilty. So there are still dockings and. Doc and Zimmer coach still are scheduled to go to that same trial. Again, it remains to be seen if they will plead guilty. If they do we will not have more potential new evidence phone call stuff that that could come out in that trial because they awfully guilty. It won't go to trial Chuck Person still to go, but we have not touched on the GP. So I figured might as well. Now's a better time than any to bring it up remind listeners, but anyway continue with with. I know you still got plenty of the chamber here on the stuff. Yeah. So because I think. I don't know what the majority or minority opinion is I don't guess. But certainly my thoughts that I shared on Twitter Friday night ran counter to to most people who do what we do. And what they were saying because it seemed like almost a consensus was this socks. This is unfair. Screw the NC double A. And I guess I would just go slightly in a different direction here. I'm on record for more than a decade. Now telling you, I hate amateurism a hate these rules. I think the ridiculous the idea that the instable and basketball coaches and universities can can profit off of the talents of these young people. But the young people can't and the people around them is is I think morally wrong completely outdated and something that I hope does change someday. And sooner rather than later. I hate the rules, but the rules are in place. And so if you get caught violating the rules there is a price to to to pay I feel badly for Silvio because there is no evidence whatsoever. That he knew what was going on. And I actually believe that he did not know what was going on. So when he has his college career ripped away from him. And the really the only thing he's guilty of is trusting an adult in his life. That stocks and I'm sympathetic to that. And it's why I would not have been outraged if the insead ably would have handled this differently because I'm on a very human level sympathetic toward toward his situation by all the counties rock-solid young, man. Good student argh worker who is now being punished for something. He had nothing to do with that sucks. But I don't know what the alternative to punishing him would actually be. Although you referenced it, and I will get to eventually, I do think there was a compromise a reasonable solution here that almost anybody could have endorsed. But I will say the alternative to the instable a affectively ending his college career is allowing Kansas to play a player who was only on campus because somebody paid his guardian to get into roller Kansas, which is why I have no idea how I have friends on that Kansas staff. I respect the Kansas have friends in the Kansas administration. And so I know they disagree with me on every level here. But I'm just being honest. I don't understand how anybody whether it's the athlete director or the head basketball coach at king's as can be so indignant as it relates to this case, I'll make this really simple. The only reason Sylvia Susa is at Kansas is because somebody was paid to send him there. That's it more. Specifically the same guy TJ s Nola who's phone record show. He texted Bill self. And told him he do anything and everything to help Kansas as players that guy. Paid Celia Susan's guardian twenty five hundred dollars and agreed to pay him more at which point Sylvia susa- community, Kansas. Those are the accepted facts of this case, and they'll k- this is in reached that the won't let us a player who is only there because it's guardian was paid to send him there. I mean, am I the only one that thinks that's the funniest thing ever norlander? Please explain to me how anybody at Kansas with a straight face can say they should be able to use a player. The instable has determined is only at Kansas because his guardian was paid to send him to canvass. The reason why Kansas is reacting this way is because from what we understand certain agreements on facts and circumstances with the case had to be made by most both sides in order for the process to even move forward. One of them being that Kansas had to accept knowledge that TJ Espinola would be defy. Find in the purview and kansas's for the for the effects of this case as a booster. And because of that. It's really what what I mean. It's it's really just a hell of a chess move by the instable a here, perhaps it was being pedantic in the way that it wanted to set this up a Kansas was like we have no choice, but to say that gas was was a booster in this case. I'm Kansas Kansas refutes that. But it had to accept that to get to the next point where he would even be considered for reinstatement and the installations. Okay. Well, you know, what if he's a booster? Then this is what we gotta do. Here's here the circumstances surrounding it, and we're gonna we're gonna give him a two year suspension. The point you're making is not inaccurate at all. I don't think Kansas was expecting this harsh of punishment. I'll also add another detail when I sat in that courtroom. I heard cast Nola say that the intention was to pay any foul main Silvio. Uses guardian another twenty thousand dollars, and the only reason that did not happen was the movement of this case, and it going public. So that is also although it's not hasn't been. Detailed extensively by the instable in its release. Or obviously mentioned by Kansas. The motivations of gas Nola to pay foul main were very much on the table. And also, this is why on Hernandez Miami was set for more than a year or would be he's now declare for the draft is because he never technically signed an agreement with Christian doctrines, but he entered into an arrangement. And so because of the intention was there, even though Evan Daniels reported that he received less than five hundred dollars actually had multiple sources confirmed that with me, it doesn't matter in the way you had set forth to do this. And so I think those similar principles are taking play here. Here's what I would say about the booster thing. Because that is what the Kansas athletic director. Was explaining. In advance of kansas's win over Texas Tech on Saturday. He said, listen, they're saying that we had a booster who paid? Silly Susan's guardian to get him to come to Kansas. But like Tito has no not really Kansas booster. We were just told if you want to expedite this process and not have to wait for us to investigate and then rule then you need to label him a booster ruling. Ineligible. And then and then seek reinstatement. So that's the only reason we label gas Nola booster because it was our only real option. We had no good alternative. But we don't actually believe TJ gas dole fist description of a booster. And I understand that that TJ gas Nola might not actually fall under the umbrella of what a booster typically or traditionally is. But here's what I would say to that. I don't care because TJ s Nola bought Silvio Susa for the. Exact same reason a Kansas booster would. Gets paid. See this guardian for the exact same reason, a Kansas booster would to get him on campus because he was working for Keynes's because he wanted things for Kansas. So I don't really care if if you technically qualifies as a booster because his it doesn't change the facts of the case or the intent of the violation when you hear an Alabama booster went out and bought an Alabama football player. Why was he doing that at Alabama booster paid a guardian of of football player? Why was he doing that? To get him to go to Alabama. Well, why was gas Nola paying? Silly guardian to get him to go to Kansas. So the motivation is the exact same regardless of whether he's technically a boost or not he's a guy who works for Dita's were Keynes's head a zillion dollar contract. And he's got text messages that show him telling Bill self I will do anything. I have to do to get you the players that only time I've ever felt you is with the Andrea eight L Awale. Yes. So his motivation is that of exactly what a traditional booster operating outside of the rule. Book. Would do I'm going to pay this person money to get this person to enroll at the school. I want him to enroll at so I I've had some canes. It's fan say he's not really a booster. I don't really care. He was operating. Exactly the way booster would operate. His intent was was clear he wouldn't paying Subbiah guardian to help with the school. He was paying to ensure that he enrolled at Kansas. That's the truth. And the only person denying that is the guardian who is frankly. A liar. And people bring up the Dewan Hernandes thing. I would say this to that the reason I feel sorry for Silvio as an individual and not so much would want her name, this is because one hundred did know what he was doing again the rule suck. But they are the rules and one her name was was knowingly violating the rules. So he gets he gets. I don't care, but Sylvia where I'm sympathetic toward him. Is he didn't know? But that doesn't mean that he can't be punished or shouldn't be punished because these are the rules in place. And if you don't punish a player for the actions of the adults in charge of him. Then that will just go to move. Every what that means. Every time is guardian parent coach, whomever accepts whatever to send a player somewhere. Odds are you won't get caught because it's hard to get caught. But if you do get caught you just say, hey, the player didn't know. And then the incident says the player to know player didn't know that that system does not work. And so if you're going to. Yourself to the concept of amateurism. You've got hold the student out athlets accountable. For the actions of the adults handling the recruitment arrest. There's just no way to enforce the rules. I agree. But I would also extend that to say, well, then that's fine. But if you're going to if you're going to say that the the student athletes are going to have to pay a price, and the and you have to you have to safeguard against this. I understand that then hell for every head coach has his staff. Do something the exact same principle needs to be applied. Okay. Especially with the adults, especially when you know, we all know, the coaches are aware of so much of this stuff that's going on. And if they're not then it falls on them to be aware of it. I'm sorry. But when I see these particular desouza anyone that is trying to make a way to get into play major college athletics as a way of greatly improving their life. Okay. And the motivations of guardians, or parents or whatever that might be working Macintoshes above their head. Who knows how much they don't know. There's probably plenty of instances where the players are extremely privy to this. And they are told to play none the wiser I get that. But you know, it feels a little gross or even more than a little gross. When you have these adults screwing up the screwing up the process and now you've got to do. So who's not like this surefire NBA player and has real world impact on his future earnings in basketball? He's originally from Africa. Who knows what his path is gonna take him on now after all this. I do I do have real sympathy for desouza, and the instability could have been more innovative and creative. I don't give a damn if the current rulebook doesn't allow for it. You know, what the rule book didn't project that we would have an FBI investigation. And by the way, Mark Emmer in that commission enabled change in the rule book and relatively quick fashion, by standards, you could have done something different than just say. You've gotta sit at least two years. Well, the thing that I think the instability should have done even more than because I think you have to punish Silvio Susan some way, otherwise again, it's impossible to enforce the rules you and I are on the same page here. And we both came up with this independent of each other. What I would have done if I were working for the incident. First off let me say this because you made a point you want to start seeing head coach if players are going to be held accountable for the adults in their life. You wanna see head coach is be held accountable for the assistance in their life. And that would mean in theory Indian field at USC, Bruce Pearl at Auburn any other coach who had an assistant coach wrapped up in this FBI investigation. Shawn Miller at Aaron Jona. I would say the rules are written to do that. Now, it's how the coach control charges where it calls. Jim boeheim, nine games and cost whomever else. D- a suspension like the rules are in place to hold head coaches accountable for the actions of the assistant coaches, it's just as it relates to the FBI investigation. The NCAA hasn't even like investigated that stuff yet. So we're not there yet. I would assume someday Shawn Miller is going to get hit with coach control charge and have to serve some sort of something. But what the incident can't do is fire. Coaches. So they will punish eventually the coaches who were running these programs who had the assistant coach while now. But all they can do is punish they cannot fire, and they can make it to school feels like it's in its best interest to fire, but. The system set up the way it set up. I don't it does seem on a very surface level ridiculous to watch Brian bow and never play college basketball and Silvio Susa gets spent for two years, and then the multi-million dollar coaches are just riding along no issues today. But that is the system that's in place. I find it unfair just as you do. Circling back. What I would have liked to have done if I were. If I were in charge of the instable voice there, and regardless of what the rule book says is allowed not allow like let's just get creative. And let's do something sensible. That is something I think most people could agree with I would have said. Civil suits cannot play the rest of season. But at the end of this semester, he can transfer to any division one university. Choose and he will be eligible to play next season that way, you're not further punishing him because he by all accounts didn't know what was happening. But you're also not allowing Kansas to benefit going forward from a player who was only on its campus because somebody was paid to send him to that campus. And that's honestly, I think the would have been better off permanently ruling if you're not gonna accept my my proposal, which is leading transfer at the end of the semester and let him play next season. He's basically he's allowed to play anywhere next season other than gains because we're not gonna let Kansas benefit from a player whose only on campus because somebody was paid to send him there. It's why if you're not gonna accept that. I would have wrote internally eligible before I just did two years 'cause they about this. What if he decides to stick this out for whatever reason and he's on that team and the two thousand twenty twenty one season, and again, let's just play along. He comes one of the best players in the country, and Kansas goes out win the national championship. Can you imagine the outrage if Keynes's someday were to win a national title by by using a player in a prominent role who the incident Belay has already determined only was ever on the Kansas campus because somebody was paid to send him. They're like if you just can't let that happen. And I don't even know why it's so hard to grasp in like some of the Kansas fans. The reactions to this is has been hilarious. They keep bringing up Josh Selby. They say, okay, we understand Silvio had to be punished. But like this is excessive because if you remember Josh Selby took even more in permissible benefits, and he will only suspended nine games. I guess I would just seems unwise to voluntarily bring up your own sketchy pass with impermissible benefits as a way to criticize a current insead. Ruling kind of getting caught cheating on your girlfriend, and then saying, you know, when I got caught cheating on my last girlfriend. She only left me for a month. So I don't understand why you'd break up with me forever. When she didn't because like cheated on her way worse than I teed it on us. Like what you might just want to leave all that ad of it just sort of focus on the president. But regardless I just don't see how the incident lake and allow. A very basic level. I don't understand how the incident Blake can allow in right now still technically possible you if he doesn't win his appeal if he wants to stay Kansas. He can play not next season. But the season after that, I don't understand how you can let Kansas use a player to maybe when a championship who you've already determined is only on campus because somebody was paid to send him there. That's where again, this is different than one Hernandez one Hernandez knowingly accepted impermissible benefits. But nobody is suggesting the reason he's at Miami is because he was given impermissible benefits. He went to Miami and agent the way the story goes was hooking him up poking him up in attempt to represent him some day, but he was at Miami farce. We know he was at Miami. Because that's just where he decided to go to school not because somebody paid him to go to school there. Silly to Susan's only canes. It's because somebody was paid to send him to Kansas. And now someday Kansas steel going to have a chance to maybe win a big club title with him that just. Crazy to me. I we are we are way deep on this on this topic here. So I I only bring this up as I don't even know if it's the devil's advocate, Kansas and self, and that staff would argue that actually Silvio chose and wanted to be there so out if it was simple Silvio, go Kansas. Then you don't have to agree to pay somebody twenty thousand dollars to make sure he does I understand that. I'm just I I'm just putting it out there at least that the because I think I think in the statement from Friday self actually feel like that was out there on Friday. I might be miss remembering that, I don't have a right in front of me. But I thought this that they even made the specific noted Sylvia chose to come here. He wanted to be here at cetera et cetera et cetera. What else are you going to say? I I actually by the way, let me say this in fairness in complete fairness. I will accept that. It might be true that that is where Silvio wanted to go to school. But I you also have to acknowledge that the guardian clearly had the juice in this situation. And when you were an adult dealing with a teenager. It is not difficult ask any coach who's ever been caught up in one of these deals? It is not difficult to manipulate a situation and convince a young person over time. No where you really wanna be is at Kansas you control the recruitment. You can keep certain coaches away. You can try certain circumstances. And you might be doing it because your motivations are all pure or you might be doing it. Because somebody's promised you twenty thousand dollars if you do it. So I'll I'll accept that. Maybe Silvio really did just always dream of being Jayhawk. But that ain't really how the reporting on his recruitment went down. Everybody was shocked when he when he said he was committing the Kansas shocked. You don't you? Don't get shot. Docked when somebody commits to school. They've always you've always thought because they've always said that's where they wanted to go to school. So I'm just gonna however it went down, exactly. I feel comfortable still saying the main reason Silvio Susa was ever on campus campus at Kansas is because somebody was paid to push him in that direction. And I don't know how you can let a school benefit. From a player that it's been determined. Those were his circumstances over under its February third is record this podcast over under April. First Silvio to Susa announces that he is going to pursue a professional career. I would assume that he's going to wait this appeal out, you know, because you know, what difference? Does it make right now, you know, Kansas is gonna peel? There's no real timetable is my understanding. But. If you've already waited it out this long in hopes of maybe playing again in college. Then I don't understand why you wouldn't just wait out the appeals process unless you assume there's zero percent chance that you'll be successful. And I don't think there's ever zero percent chance when it comes to the instable Ed because they're wildly inconsistent. You'd never know what they're going to do. If I were them. I would deny the appeal for the reasons I've already stated, but they might grant it doubt. It doubt. It I would assume he sits this out like he's going to just ride this out. I should say. But if the appeal is denied, then he'll he'll I would assume leave school and embark on a professional career and whatever form, but I don't think he's gonna leave school before the appeal is is determined one way or another. Okay. That wasn't a direct answer. Because I know you don't know the time line, but well, I'm gonna say over. So. Over April first over April first, he won't he won't before April. First announced he's leaving school. That's that's my guess. Yeah. I agree with that. I I think that's probably probably right. But I I I do think he leaves school. Eventually, I don't think he ever plays for Kansas skin. Okay. That's thirty minutes. Let's move on and get into some actual basketball results of the weekend. We're gonna do that in just a moment. But first check this out. What's up? Everybody will Brinson here. I wanna let you the pig. Six podcast. It's the world the universe is only daily NFL podcast features me. We'll Brinson alongside sets guest is Jason lockenfora. Brady quinn. Brian McFadden, and even beat Briscoe we down with starting in the NFL every single day every Friday yet joined by Vegas picking every single game against the spread. He gets you ready for the weekend and get your picks. Locked in make sure subscribe to pick six five anywhere that you listen to podcasts. So no lender. Let's start in the big ten because it was an interesting weekend specifically in the state of Michigan. I know Michigan losing it Iowa on Friday night. Didn't surprise you. Because you pick Michigan to lose Iowa. I would've maybe done the same thing. But I refuse to pick Friday night games. Then on Saturday. We got a another upset involving a Michigan team, which I do think was a surprise to everybody. Michigan state lost in OT to Indiana at home Spar, thirteen and a half point favorites. Still lost rest in peace to Indiana seven game losing streak boy that came out of nowhere. It did. Which one you wanna hit on? I wanna go chronological hit Michigan. Let me bask in my pick. Also, by the way, also had Maryland losing don't bypass both. Correct. Picks there on Friday night perish. They don't count picks. Don't count. That's going to be you know, what that's going to be. Our new quick end of podcasts. Just eleven seconds. I'm gonna pick a couple of Friday night games or perish refuses to although this upcoming week. We might actually have your podcast ready for a little bit before Friday. So we'll see we might actually we might have a twist in that listen I will play a tremendous game. Biggest win of the season. There were not there wasn't a load of big time losses here. But given Michigan losing Michigan state losing in the way that it did Tennessee was in a tight one than pulled away late if Tennessee lost. We really would have had some calamity atop the polls, and it actually would've set up a one versus two Duke for Ginny matchup this weekend this coming weekend. Instead, it'll be number two versus number three point. I'm making here is that sometimes I feel like we can get caught up in the moment of these losses. And we forget historically that you know teams that make the final four playing the title game. We national titles in almost all instances. They will have two or three games in a given season where they stand out as exceptions to the rule of their of their general performance. I think Michigan state falling at home for just a second time in twenty three tries against Indiana. That's right. Indiana is two and twenty one in the past twenty three trips to east Lansing. I think that was a prime example. And then I awoke which is a strong. And actually, Luca Garza quality big man took advantage of breasts stakes who did not have who who had another bad game for Michigan. He's been a a really good freshman, but he's he's really hit some walls here or there. Just a fantastic outing for the Hawkeyes getting a signature win and getting that much closer to being a real instability tournament team that clue tracking toward that now. But it's it took advantage of of a big time opportunity there and was able to score a point per possession against the Michigan that has elite defensively. So for the Michigan loss. I don't think too much of it. I still consider Michigan. Which by the way is twenty into the loss is both reasonable at Wisconsin at Iowa. But still put Michigan in that top five to seven overall tier in college basketball GP, I've not looked at your rankings. I don't know where you have them as I know you'll answer that momentarily and then with Michigan state overall, Indiana doing that. I was just chuckling. Ng watching this game parish because I joked about picking them, and I didn't I wasn't ever going to really take him on the podcast, but you so outright. It's just funny. Like the one game you so outright. Dismiss of course, like we're not going to be idiots. We're not picking Indiana would to win this game. We picked them to cover and then lo and behold, they do it and they do it without their leader. And who coaches will tell you is their best player. Jon Morgan he goes down with six minutes to go in the first half with the shoulder injury. Dude has encountered so many of those in his career, by the way, this joined Morgan has just shoulder problem after shoulder problem that sucks, and they were able to overcome at winning OT get a huge win. Indian now has top three weird resume and all of college basketball. It's thirteen and nine it's four and seven in the big ten, but it has wins over Marquette luvell Anna road win at Michigan state. You can even if you wanna mix in Butler win don't know how much value that has. I don't think they'd be in the tournament. If it started today. But I guess I can almost guarantee you that if they remain bubbalicious throughout they're going to have the best top line wins of any teams that could be really fascinating to see what happens there, but the streak is over gets back going in the right way. I've got I awoke sixteenth in Sunday mornings top twenty five and one. I've got the Michigan team that it beat a ranked fifth dropped Michigan state after the loss to Indiana down tonight the top ten right now if you care confident you probably don't it's one Tennessee to for junior three zag Ford, Duke, five, Michigan, six Kentucky, seven North Carolina. Eight Nevada nine Michigan state and tin market. So yeah, I wasn't shocked that Iowa was able to Michigan. I was good in that building. They'd beaten good teams in that building before even this season. But I mean, obviously shocked that Indiana would go to Michigan state. You just. On a very basic level. You never expect to watch a team on a seven game losing streak lose one of its top two players. And then beat a top ten team on the row like just not ever supposed to happen. It obviously wasn't supposed to happen yesterday. They were thirteen and a half point underdog. And if you would have before tip off said they're starting at thirteen and a half point underdog and oh Joon mortgage gonna play most the game. Well, then what is the line jump to fifteen sixteen seventeen. So that was a massive upset, and I don't know if you saw the post game interview. But art was asked about it. And he was like, you know, they missed a lot of free throws. And that gave us a chance to hang around. You know, basically saying we weren't 'perfect in Romeo shot at the buzzer of regulation just ridiculous in ridiculous in a bad way. And art like, listen, we'll take it though. We're not going to nitpick winds at this point. We've been losing a hole boys lately. So we'll take whatever we get. And if we stole a road game at MIT. Hagen state, then we're going to be happy to snap our seven game losing streak that away. And exactly right. You don't usually think of teams that lose seven straight league games being legitimate NCAA tournament at large candidates, but there is a very reasonable scenario that has Indiana entering March with an opportunity to get an at large bit. I don't think that's crazy. We'll see what happens there and see. We don't have time on work, and how long he's going to be out or not see Phil take cortisone shots and can get back out there soon, Indiana. Now, does it gets next to at home Iowa that respond how they responded on Thursday? And then then Ohio State and then at Minnesota, we'll see I don't know never lot of work to do. But their their resumes shaking out in a really in a funky way. They need to accrue more wins in a big way. And I would I would argue help themselves significantly if they can steal one of their three remaining road games at least one at Minnesota at Iowa and Illinois. Oy before they get the season only road opportunities. I think they gotta get at least one of those two also booster overall chances. But we wait and see as the net rankings refreshed, Indiana bumped from forty four to fifty for people that are curious on that. And. Wofford twenty eighth. So that's our that's our podcast update. That's going to be happening. The rest of the way Wofford twenty eight that means they were quad one opponent, regardless of venue. Shouts to the terriers. Shouts to Spartanburg of these two things. What was the more ridiculous for junior tech winning by twenty three at NC state and holding NC state to just twenty four points or Memphis falling behind twenty seven to one at USF, which leads to Jeremey Martin scoring forty one points all in the second half comeback attempt that came up just short. I mean, those are some really wild things of ACC team being held at twenty four points in a game and ACT falling behind twenty seven and one and not like to Virginia, but to USF team that is fastly improved. But still energised today just four and four in the American and Jeremie Mark getting forty one points in the final twenty minutes of a game. What which are the that was all kind of ridiculous, right? Yeah. Man. Sometimes I love the sport. Because it's just stupid. We had that yesterday with the Memphis thing. And I know you're going to eventually return serve on this aisle. Just say this the start of that was absurd. You know, as since penny Hardaway's people are jealous of us, and my MBA background. They've dropped two straight. And they got off to that. Brutal. Start back to back losses albeit both on the road. Memphis, thirteen and nine I think this is about going what I thought it might be for him. But Jeremiah, Martin dropping forty one and a half is just stupid. He is one of according to sports reference. I looked it up sports. References data has sixty one players outscoring NC state alone. I since got a number of responses on Twitter said well, this play wasn't accounted for in. This could player wasn't accounted for in one person in particular had actually the number is seventy seven player. So whatever it says at least sixty one or as many as seventy seven players on Saturday outscored NC state GP. This is this is bonkers. I mean bonkers ranked team at home going against a Virginia Tech T. That is good. Don't get me wrong there. Virginia Tech played like crap as well. It played terribly. Put forty seven points on the board in one in blowout fashion. You never see this ever. And I mean ever this is the lowest in the shock luck era. But we're talking ranked team at home in the mixed installation tournament, it's scores twenty four points. It scored two in the first ten minutes of the game it managed four in the final ten minutes of the game. It averaged point four five points per possession. I think this is so notorious that if NC state gets into the tournament, and we'll see what wins it can have. It's going to be like a home loss to a quality team. Almost never gonna cost you a seed line. I think this will it is it is so agreed Asli terrible. I I don't get it. This is the that famous screen cap. And I think I think someone someone messed around with a graphic, but there's famous. Famous college football screen calf with with beamer and tech is going to overtime with Wake Forest zero zero. And he's got his hands up like he won the national championship. This is that for college basketball. You have a forty seven twenty four final. Just so weird last thing on this NC state was twenty seventh and Ken palm and twenty-second offense of officiency at the start of this game. It is now forty seconds in Ken palms rankings a fifteen point switch regardless this late into the season. When you're dealing with twenty plus games worth of data is. Outrageous and dropped from twenty second offense efficiency now is fifty sixth overall it is it is hard to do more damage to your resume in one game against they major conference opponent that's ranked than what NC state did. I texted buzz Williams after the game. I was just like what in the world was that? And he takes back. You said it was bad ball. But it was a good fight. And I I don't know people realize the Memphis weird game and the NC state weird game. We're both happening at the same time. And obviously one involves two ranked teams and the other involves to unranked team. So there's a larger audience for in state for Gina tech than Memphis UCF. I had them both on. And so people are tweeting all my God. Are you guys watching insead state? This is embarrassing. If you've seen these like, huge check out Memphis yet. Like Memphis was performing worse than NC state. NC state was performing. ACC all time low. I mean, it was crazy. And to your point about penny. I've got some obviously a lot of friends who are Memphis. I live in the Memphis area. But some of them are sensitive to the criticism. So, you know, Jeff Goodman, and Jeff Eisenberg other people were getting their jokes off right about penny. Hardaway saying earlier in the week that other coaches were jealous of his staff. And so now everybody got jokes. And they weren't you know, my friends are like why is why is good penny. And I'm like, I don't think Goodman hates pin. I think when you say what penny said. And create headlines with words anytime somebody's got an opportunity to get jokes off. They don't get to jokes off. It's a little bit to a lesser degree. Like Jalen Ramsey situation with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Remember when he was just talking crazy about every quarterback like been rob Pittsburghers songs and Matt Ryan socks and didn't really matter if he was right or wrong. He was just like calling out all these guys. And so then this past season everytime. J the Ramsey compete for touchdown, especially if it was by a quarterback who had criticized like it was all over Twitter. I seem Jalen Ramsey. I watched that do get beat for more touchdowns that season than I watched anybody else. And I don't even know if that he might be awesome or had a bad year. I don't even know I just know that every single time he got exposed. It was a big deal that everybody wanted to bring attention to because of the way because of the things he said in the preseason and with penny this past week. It's the exact the exact same thing. Like when you're going to create headlines, we'll words people are going to be very. Anxious to to to put those back on you as quickly as they can as intensely as they can. And when you say that on a Monday, and then spend the week getting blown out at Tulsa and fall, a high twenty seven to one at USF will then you get what you get you get what you get and I didn't really fully get, and I am begging you not to go back into like a radio segment into this week. But I I I'm truly backing, but I didn't quite get where he was coming from. Because I have not felt as though that's the case. Now, he might staff might have a certain. Perspective on this that they feel like other people are jealous of them. I don't think that's the case. But whatever it is. It is not been sure I mean, it's been glorious for you. There's no doubt about it. He has he has provided that program for many reasons as provided a lot of good copy things that discuss this is the latest and now after saying it has dropped two games. And his team is not good in the process. Jeremiah Martin's superman impression excluded overall. But but we'll wait and see again. This was always just the test your let's just see how things go the more real analysis on Hardaway and his staff and their coaching and what they can do. We'll come once Weisman's on campus. So North Carolina a one at Louisville and Kentucky one at Florida. We're going to get into those games next. I here's this. Hey, just because the fantasy football season's over doesn't mean. We don't have plenty to talk about. And that's why the fantasy football today podcast gives you episodes year round coming at you. As per week during the off season to catch you up on the latest news and get an early start on your two thousand nineteen preparation. Check out. The fantasy football today podcast right now. So you and see one at Louisville UK one at Florida norlander. I wrote about one you wrote about the other which is the more impressive win. I think it was the game that you wrote about parachutes, I think I would lean toward Carolina. Not not just because it's the revenge win. You know, frankly, the better team Lewis better than Florida. The way the Kentucky one was impressive to me in that. It's Kentucky is is showing that it can win in different ways. Like if you watch that game. The I seventy five percent of it. You suck a Florida teen that looked to be in control and on the verge of getting a really important win. And then Kentucky just locked down. Defensively in a way that was really impressive Kelton Johnson. After being consistent hit some good shots. Made some good plays PJ. Washington was consistent Tyler here. Excuse me. Tyler here was well, North Carolina was looked like such a more motivated in different teaming is Louisville than the home law. So that that had taken on. And that was the last time that UNC is lost. So a big win for you and see which is now. I think Kentucky and UNC and getting their wins yesterday. By the way, they are. I we've maintained the Kentucky's right there in terms of national title contenders. I dunno fluency has been there and dropped out and been there, whatever. But my point is those teams now particularly in light of the Michigan schools losing like we are. We are you know, it's hard to get our arms around all the teams at this moment that are that are in that discussion from Virginia and Duke, Gonzaga, Tennessee, the Michigan schools throw Kentucky North Carolina in there. If you want as well, and Kansas, you know, by the way, gets Susan news and just destroys Texas Tech. That was an impressive performance by them. And they got some good stuff out of Dotson in a body. So anyway, I was a little more impressed with UNC. But both teams get Goodwin's and the top shelf of college basketball continues to seem relatively thick ROY set down his post game press conference at the yum center on Saturday. And he said I just feel like Chris and I switch spots from where we were three weeks ago. And it really is what happened like Louisville went into Chapel Hill and just over. Carolina start finish. And then three weeks later. Carolina goes into the center and just overwhelms Louisville from start to finish completely destroyed them on the glass. I put this in the column. I don't know if you saw belivel- little miss thirty six shots in the game and only grab seven offense of rebounds. Which means North Carolina had a defensive rebounding percentage of eighty point six. That's a better rate that any of the any team in the nation currently possesses on the season. And then on the other end of the court North Carolina grabbed eighteen of the forty Phil goal attempts it missed which means UNC at an offensive rebounding percentage of forty five point zero. And that's a better rate than all. But one team in the nation currently possesses on the season. So they is absolutely edema had no problems and had no problems. Even though leaky black one involve no leaky black, and they get it done GP that was that was all the more impressive. But I believe that this is another one that I had I think you took Louisville. On the Friday. Oh, I did not you're gonna have to check that. When I took I took North Carolina. I actually expanded on the thought I said, I know the makes no sense to watch Louisville pound North Carolina North Carolina, and then was gonna lose at Louisville to North Carolina to the same team three weeks later, but it would be the perfect college basketball thing like that's the type of thing that happens in college basketball, all the time. And so I will take the tar heels on the road. We were in agreement on this game. It honestly was a lot like what happened in Oxford yesterday. Just a few weeks ago. Omiss goes to Mississippi State beats Mississippi State here, we are another Saturday. Mississippi State goes to ole miss beat Sule miss like these things happen not saying they make sense, but they happened fairly regularly in college basketball day, do and that's why that's why we love it. We have a good time over although not I say somewhat noisy weekend. But not an exceptionally noisy weekend. Overall to player performances shout real quick MCI Mason, a Baylor drop forty as. They want again and Chris Clements who I believe you've talked about on inside college basketball recently. And I know we mentioned on the podcast. He is he is trending toward three thousand points in hurry. He had thirty nine. And I don't know if that team's going to get to the tournament or not I really hope it does. Because listen, everyone loves the simply tournament small school team with dude under six feet who can just straight ball Clem is one of the best ever in that exact mold at that role. And he he went out and did it again Campbell one. We'll wait and see if in its tournament, but he should be at three thousand points before we get to March. Dietrich loss and also had another big game for canes. That big twelve player of the year, we go back and forth from like, it's obviously Dietrich loss into maybe Jarrett Culver sneaks in there. But. Another big game. And that was a huge win for Kansas to your point on Baylor. Six in a row, and like it's like thirty points at Oklahoma twenty six points over TCU. John gas away tweeted earlier today, the efficiency numbers just from. I don't know maybe January first through today. I don't know the specifics maybe it was from the start of. I dunno whatever it was. But Baylor's like the best team is playing better than anybody else. In the big twelve right now, I did not put Baylor in the top twenty five and one, but I actually wrote about them extensively in the post just explaining that because frame for Sheila from ESPN tweeted that Baylor is going to be ranked on Monday. And I think there could be ranked on Monday. I don't know that it's a guarantee, but the argument for them would be exactly what gas away tweet it which is better than anybody else in the big twelve right now and have been for a little while the argument against him is and this is where I fall, I'm more of a body of work guy than a who's hottest right now guy. I know you and I address approach our rankings differently. And that's fine. It's all subjective. And there's different ways to do this. But I am mostly a body award guy. And they still got two. To horrific losses on that resume. I think it's Texas southern loss and a Stephen F Austin law, simply put nobody would losses like that multiple laws like that is even sniffing the top twenty five and one the idea that I considered Baylor. Despite those things on the resume is evidence of how well they've been playing, but I will not use the politics column on anybody who ranks Baylor on Monday, because it's a reasonable thing to do even if even if I'm not doing it, Scott, drew would probably and keep in mind that three weeks ago, we sit crispier does. Absolutely. So this stuff can change your voting today. You maybe have to go Scott drew big twelve coach of the year. I think so when my ranking my power rankings, which are obviously weekly update Thursday if Baylor wins at Texas on Wednesday. I'm salmon have no choice mind is more of a have you done in in recent weeks, if not days and have you looked doing in Baylor's been incredible from three point range, and if they win they're gonna be seven to at that point in the in the big twelve I'm going to have to put them in squeeze him in the naturally from rankings perspective the teams that are in that fifteen to sixteen range all the way into even. They don't land on the page, but twenty two twenty three it's been kind of a cram. It's been it's been a tough squeeze as of late. Now, you get Baylor in there. It's a it's another one as well. But but yeah, anyway, we wait we wait and see on that you wanna make our Super Bowl picks. Do you have a Super Bowl pick? What do you mean? Of course, I was to pick. Why would I not have a Super Bowl pick, Jerry you're Super Bowl pick? Then. All right. I'm going to share mine, and you're gonna share yours with a score to. I hope I'm gonna go score a Gami. Do you know what score Gami streaky? No idea. What you're saying right now. Okay. Score. A gummy is a cool little deal here. I think it was the term was either the the idea or the term was originated by John boy of Espy nation score Gami is win a scorn and NFL game happens that has never happened before. So for example, as you would obviously be able to guess like the scores seventy two forty eight has never happened in NFL game. If if the Super Bowl ended, and it's not going to. But if it did and with ram seventy patriots forty eight. That would be an NFL score gummy. So my fish prediction will be score. Gami however, unlikely to be and weirdly enough, I would think that in the history of the professional National Football League. We would have had a twenty five to eighteen final. But it has never happened. So I'm going patriots. Twenty-five Rams eighteen NFL score. Gami? What is your pick GP get to twenty five at three touchdowns. And what you do how do you into twenty touchdown in there? Maybe an mistakes point. We're combination of field goals, maybe mixing a safety. You can get there. I mean, there's listen there's there's there's been twenty five thirteen games. There's been twenty five fourteen and twenty five twelve and twenty five ten and twenty five six games before. There's just never been a twenty five eighteen game going Rams thirty four twenty seven. Okay. You follow the NFL more closely than I do. Isn't it true that the Rams have been considered the better team all basically all season? Yes. I would say more. Yes than no. By the way, thirty four twenty-seven has been NFL final forty six times. Just so, you know, but yes. That is true. But I don't think the gap is that big. Okay. But I'm gonna get three points with Sean McVay the goat and go girl. Calling son McVay the goat when he's going. Bella check. What showman? Showman face. The goat already pretty pretty clear to me. Just throwing around terms like this. This is this is actually one of my side. Like who cares? But like people drop like this stuff and sports now, it's just it. It has become so commonplace like what is even mean anymore. But anyway. Thirty two years old brilliant offense of mind in the Super Bowl and got a smoke and girlfriend. He's the goat. I tell you. What if the patriots lose this game? It will Mark back to back seasons in which and we'll see how the game plays out. It will Mark back to back seasons in which the patriots would have lost the Super Bowl against a coach with an innovative approach to the game Belichick gets credit for that as well. But but that would be a theme because what Doug Peterson the eagles did last season. Obviously with the with the Phillies special in kind of helping clinch that Super Bowl just keep an eye on that. I doing quarterback was born a senior I was born we really out here. Trying to pretend to my born the same year. I was born gonna win the Super Bowl company is not forty nine. That's not true. What are you talking? You every time. I say somebody I was like Tom Brady was born the same year. I was born in there like there's no way. And I'm like, I know I know he looks older than me. But it's true. Tom Brady is only like six months younger than I am. But both born in nineteen seventy seven where are you going to watch the game here GP, mentally hosting a Super Bowl party at fits casino in tunica with Jerry, the king Lawler, wrestling, icons, me and Jerry the king down. GP? You have lived some life. You're watching this with Lawler. How did this even happen? On like, it is kind of cool for me on a very basic level. I grew up idolizing Jerry Lawler like you cannot overstate how big wrestling was in Memphis like this. Andy Kaufman win through his wrestling thing. It all happened in Memphis. You know, all the big came through here at one time. Hulk HOGAN, Randy savage, the rock every like Memphis. Wrestling was the thing. It was Memphis. I think first real professional sports franchise. They had the mid south Coliseum that seated like nine ten thousand people and it was sold out every Monday night for Memphis wrestling. Jerry Lawler was the biggest star. And so when you talking about the biggest figures in my childhood, it wasn't like Larry Bird. Magic johnson. It was like Keith Lee in Jerry Lawler, and now and then over the years, I've because of my job I've been in the same circles, Jerry and we've gotten to know each other I wouldn't say we're firm. Her friends, but we're certainly friendly like when we see each other. It's always doing and like the seven year old thinks that's the coolest thing in the world as it relates to this today. I dunno fits just reached out to me and said, hey, would you be willing to host Super Bowl party with Jerry Lawler? Here's what here's what we can pay. And here's what we can do as far as rooms and dinners, and it all seemed like it all seem like it's worth doing. So that's where I will be a little later on today. I'll be done in tunica at the sports book and at the fits casino with Jerry, the king Lawler might even wears crown for minutes. He'll let me I think you shouldn't try and get a photo of that. That should be to be a good time me, you know, with the still the baby four months old, right? We'll be chilling. And actually, that's not the worst thing. Sometimes it is. It's totally fine. Just to hang out at home with the family take in the outside of this. When you go to Super Bowl parties, I find I don't I don't really I really don't care that much about the commercial creativity as much as I guess, maybe I wanted. But when you're at a party, you never. Really hear the commercials and the stuff that people wind up talking about the next day. In fact, even the game you often it's hard to focus on and I'm not that invested in the game this season, I'm still recovering from bear's loss, and in just tragic fashion. But but yeah, just chill at home here. And then once the Super Bowl wants to Super Bowls over NBA more. So than college basketball, but basketball at large really does take up a lot of the attention in the in the sports world as it rightfully should. And I'm eager man February's here and believe it or not as we record this cheap. E is it six weeks to selection Sunday. I think that's the number. It's coming fast. I have to ask Rosty, he'll know. He would he he's got it counted down to the day. But it is it is approaching fast. And yeah, it's that time of the year. I mean, you know, what I realize what makes me realize more than anything else that football is over in the I guarantee this happens to you to the amount of radio request. You get starts to triple starting tomorrow because people aren't talking football anymore because it's over. Yes. They'll be weighing more requests for college basketball guest on radio shows than there has been in November December does that happen to you every year it does. And I think some of the radio hosts actually on the podcast that we thank you. I'm gonna put this out here right now this year because I'm like a work at home dad with two kids. I just can't do them. I as we have to juggle so many things with our schedule even to make these podcasts happen when we can do them the the idea of going on radio shows, and I am super preached. If the opportunities. But if you want to do at eleven o'clock on a Wednesday night like I can turn that. But three o'clock in the afternoon when I could easily have two kids screaming their heads off and crying. It's just not feasible. But yes, you're right. The content of sports radio adjust in a hurry after this. And then once March hits, it's the great irony. That's when they really really want you on and we're never busier than in March ever. We'd have no free time. So I'm glad you brought this up and because. I feel guilty all the time because I have to either ignore or decline radio opportunities, and I feel guilty on just for obvious reasons. But also like I host a radio show where I need people to take time out of their day to be on my show. So then like, I feel a little ridiculous declining. The same opportunities on other people's shows. But the truth is like we have so much stuff going on. It's very hard for me to do anything. Additional to what I'm already obligated to do every day. I fly every Monday and on Tuesdays. I wake up in New York. I have to ranked stupid basketball teams that I have to do a radio show at then I have to go do a television television. Tell me studio till one A M then on Wednesday. I wake up record a podcast rank basketball teams do another to our radio show, then television all night then Thursday, I'm flying straight into town. Do a radio show than Thursday night up. Reintroduced myself to my children then on Friday morning. Wake up rank basketball teams podcast do another radio like I feel bad when I have to tell people, you know, I really don't have time. But it's like we really don't have time, and I don't wanna get too much into your personal life. But like you juggle and a lot every day in at home while you're trying to work, and it really does become overwhelming. So I guess what I'm saying is if we aren't able to appear on a radio show, if your producer ask us to please know that. We wish we could. But the days are ridiculous right now. They are. But but yes, still try and make time regardless nine asking for any listeners to share pity on us because we love doing this podcast. Love listenership, and this is the it's it's the busiest. But it's also I do believe the February March I just love this time of year. I really really do. So hopefully, we got a great Super Bowl on CBS hopelessly. It's another tight one with the patriots seems like everyone they win a about three points or fewer we wait and see. But we both have you have the Rams winning the pats winning. Also, let the record show you are not willing to make a Friday pick on a Friday podcast. However, you are willing to make a Sunday pick on Sunday podcast. Caught me in there. And by the way, speak for yourself. I do want listeners to show pity on me. So you don't have to Lander. But I would appreciate it. If you would recognize just overwhelming my life can be sometimes shafter Devon, Danny chest Carolina Shasta, Terry fatigue. He's alleged to learn now and remember, go subscribe the college basketball podcast via apple podcast. You guys have been great about doing that. Thank you so much. If you've already done it if you haven't yet, it only takes a minute less than even so do that subscribe at favorably five stars favorable comments. And. Oh, you forever. And appreciate you for even longer than that. We've got to talk to you again on Wednesday morning, maybe even late Tuesday nights. 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"Today's episode of one shining podcast is brought to you by the ringer dot com and the ringer podcast network where you can find such podcasts as against all odds with cousin sal new producer your dial. It is no longer take frazier. It is now Jim Cunningham. Jim was prepping for the pod. He said be sure to tell all of your listeners that I am now. The producer user of against all odds podcast take frazier requiem probably his big break there. Yeah it was yeah. You've got a lot of a lot of people ask me about Jim and I was like you. Don't want to get this guy yeah. This guy like Jim really funny and entertaining and I was like don't meet your heroes. I promise so you're welcome. You're welcome yeah so go. Check that out. If you enjoyed the the the gym the lengthy Jim Appearance on the the show we did where we put taking the ground through dirt on his grave J you can hear more jim on against all odds with cousin South Doc listen to that also you can hear Kyle on you. Talk the most on this one though a one hundred percent yeah for sure nobody really actually want words out and break your do you talk more more on. Russillo spot or bills you know I used to talk more on risotto's pod and then we changed the name to the Ryen Russillo podcasts boxed out a little bit so it was dual threat and you're the other the other threat and now you're not much shoot today on the program we have my good buddy from the athletic will say from from from his podcast Game Theory Sam Vaccine. Is in-studio joining us today. I'm having him in to talk about the big news in college basketball big news in the world the Kansas this Jayhawks are going down bill self. NCA gave the the the notice of allegations to Kansas the notice allegations is basically just a massive fuck you to bill self specifically bill self not even Kansas General so we're going to talk about that Samson. Mba Guy too so we're going to talk about this I'm fascinated by this Chuo Kiki thing. He is red shirt lean for their Orlando Magic so I'm GonNa have same explain it to my brain because I don't understand what's going on. And of course we have to talk about re Patino. Rick Pitino has settled his lawsuit. The University of Louisville we put to rest we can put the bed there it is we can put the bed all things. Patino we're GONNA talk about all that see where this thing goes does we're going to do all of it but first woody. Durham technical all right it. It is Tuesday afternoon. We're recording this a little bit late. Usually as much as I do enough time to process all claims Kansas all things all these statements sir coming out of the cities joining. Sam Say people join the conversation. We've gotTA statement best do you. Do you feel any pressure by the way you're teaching. I I have to be tate already lined up so take texted mark before the podcast was like tell Seaney can't seal any of my jokes already got like a few just lined up yeah go yeah I mean th there are only a few jokes that make so there's no more than a few yeah I can't pop in the coach K. accent or impression like he can neither contain. That's what makes it funny. That's true so we've got to talk about this. Kansas thing because this is what the people want to hear about we if we're nothing at this program if not people that have our our fingers on the pulse of all things. FBI and and we're very good at a sounding alarm insane this is going to change everything this time folks this changes every there might not be an NCAA not a tournament next year. This is a massive yeah. This could be it which which brings me to this point. I'll make this point now. This is a great time to do it the article that comes out talking about the the notice of allegations. Cinta Cinta Kansas the article starts like this the University of Kansas received notice of allegations from the NCAA on Monday which includes foods and here's the fun part potentially devastating allegations towards the men's basketball program those three words best describe the whole FBI potentially devastating out it could be devastating but even if it is devastating they're just allegations but it could be devastated potentially of that's where we've arrived at all this yes but no this is big news. This is as I said that the notice allegations you read through the whole thing you you are yeah. I I have my finger on the pulse of all things college basketball. Yeah tell you in my role is someone who has to watch too much college basketball. You're the sucker in this operation. I Skim went through it and got the gist which is based as I said at the top just a big fuck you to bill self over fuck you off now. It's like the thing in Zealander were they have walk-off like down the aisle or whatever like this is basically where we're at with bill self and the NCAA like I'm expecting bill self to like underwear out of his like crotch somehow how magically inhabited intact. NCAA BILL SELF puts out a statement and his was the same way. I I mean he was basically like the one thing I remember him. Saying in his was every student athlete has ever played for me knows that we follow the rules and even put some like their families not follow the rules too. He was very very adamant and again. It's not him. It's his lawyers. It's his is people you would think so but he puts out the statement to in response. Kansas puts out. I I love the Kansas response by the way the candidate the University of Kansas puts out their response. They have ninety days to submit official official response so their statement that they initially put out says here's the part that I love the university's responsible fully and comprehensively presents positions regarding the notice this in the meantime though it is already clear from an initial review that the university will fiercely dispute and detail much of what has been presented and that's another way of saying like we don't even need need to reduce. We denied all. We don't even care what you're what you're saying we did. We didn't do it tonight. We'll read it later but for right now please. We did not do this. There's no reason to not deny I mean what you're going to accept it and be like Oh yeah. NCA come down in sanctioned fleas anxious army. Oh wait. You don't have an army. Thank you sir. May I have another so let let's go over what exactly happened here for the people that tune it because we we have an alarming number of listeners that have no idea what's going on in college basketball and they get their news from us which just as September twenty four and please don't care about college basketball so that is potentially devastating to that about him so three level one violations wins. You can stop me if I'm wrong because you probably you actually read the shit but this this was how I interpreted three level one violations the big phrase that that gets everyone all on. It's easy gets them. All titillated is the lack of institutional control. That was sure that was thrown out here. That's that's what makes all the journalists jaws drop and say folks this time. It were for real real. This is going to happen. This is bad there's also the head coach. The phrase ourselves like head coach responsibility charge which is another way of saying sell should've known yeah. I was sick of like all these coaches having plausible deniability today finally a few years ago relate well. That's no longer an excuse so they're saying bill self. You're screwed. We're coming after you that it stems from what the recruitment. How many guys are we talking here. Billy Preston dissociate like even know who else is this was the other phone directed yeah so go ahead. The other part of the notice of allegations is everything's redacted so you're going through it and but they have enough information nations. You can kind of figure out like what names plugged in where right it's like this. It's like a logic puzzle that you do. I used to do these when I was like third grade and it Kyle. Do you remember these puzzles probably didn't do these as the the the logic puzzles where the teachers will give you and be like you have like eight rules like the first rule is like like Janice only dates guys that wear red shirts shirts Lisa likes guys at where Richards but also blue tennis shoes tile wears blue tennis shoes on Wednesday night and then and then it's like goes on Ron and like fill out this chart using all the clues and then you have to do the logic whatever that's how I feel reading the notice of allegations is like all right so from June twenty seventeen to like who which which recruits were being recruited here who lives here all that kind of stuff you start plugging in names and then it just all falls in line and someone out there probably knows like everything that actually happened in and I can feel the simplest so it's funny like I told you earlier. I was on the phone. With how specific do I want to get here. Someone redacted redacted. Someone someone connected with the notice of allegations will not go into detail further and we were trying to figure out like the names in there and this person who should have have like very distinct knowledge of what's happening was like yeah. I don't know what the fuck they're talking about. This guy this guy in the report I will say connected did to the report in some way she yeah. We're form to keep it vague enough that works for me we were we were trying to get him to call in by the way we're are. GonNa have a joke at all. You guys are doing for the last hour figuring out and get this yeah. We're trying to figure out how scramble his voice yeah. It's not did not go off without a hitch and he's so when he says he doesn't know what he did. Eric how is this. It's just like is again is this. The Kansas statement is like I don't. I don't know what I'm being accused of. The thing that frustrates me about all of this in it's just like a general complaint complain about everything involved with the FBI getting involved with this case so the FBI gets involved with this case. The reason that it becomes a federal case theoretically is because they alleged that Adidas is basically defrauding. The universities involved right candice victim. Yeah the Kansas was the victim abyss now the NCAA is coming back to Kansas and saying Kansas. You actually received the benefits yes. You're the perpetrators traders. TJ Gas is a booster for your program like it's ridiculous to me this is what happens when the FBI FBI decides to essentially we litigated based off of the NCAA rule book is opposed to like. I mean like look maybe there was there were laws broken but like at the end of the day the reason were laws broken was because of the NCAA rule book and I don't really see why the FBI should've gotten involved in it in the first place breath right now. We're in a circumstance where the NCAA is essentially you know on the exact opposite side of where the federal government was when charging these forests coaches right. It's just I find find that hard to center you know and no one wants to hear this because we want. We Want Kansas to burn. That's what we want. We don't blood got them. Can we find like we vinyl have blood and that's that's what's frustrating is because everything about this feels like a slam dunk in the sense that this is. I made this point on the last podcast like this. This is what the NCAA exists for the NCAA exists. Basically two reasons one is to to administer national champion sufficient to crown national champions the most important part under one umbrella. They were all all plan for this trophy. The other thing is to make sure no one's getting paid. That's pretty much it and they're yeah. They're out of their depth. This is why the North Carolina thing why North Carolina Skating I I make fun of this all the time. I think North Carolina to their balls off. I think like it was a very obvious well wait. Can we talk about something here. Go ahead you north. North Carolina cheated. It's balls off if you look in this notice of allegations they provide a detailed timeline of every single level one or level two offense that Kansas ever committed against the NCAA if you look there's a little window there from nineteen eighty eight to two thousand and three one thousand nine hundred of Kansas. I'm going full tate frazier here. Yeah look at this. You did nothing wrong. It is Roy Williams. It is clean good. Oh Ball shucks yeah Well No. I don't think I yeah I don't know how much Roy had to do with the Carolinas stuff anyway I will say i. I don't mind defending really. I like Roy but I I am buying all shock thing back to the point. Though Carolina cheated the the the obviously so I what I'm about to say please know that like I do rotate for that. I do think they got away with it but we need to throw some allegedly allegedly yeah potentially devastating allegations. I'm lofting towards North Carolina or now. I do think that she did but I don't think they should have been punished. I was fine with them not being punished because like it was kind of the perfect crime. It was absolutely perfect what they did academic academic fraud. I have to tip my cap and it'd be like dude that was that was well played because it was out of their depth they could they couldn't they couldn't decide they. They couldn't audit classes that North Carolina was offering and if you actually read up on the details I know like I'm yelling into the abyss at this point like people on twitter just want to be upset in North Carolina but I actually was like fine with that decision because it was would have been a horrible precedent if these as getting into classrooms and decide and all that kind of stuff we don't want. NCA NCA. We don't want sports at the collegiate level to be more connected with Akkad rights. No we don't like it should not be connected to begin with like around the world. Were probably the only people who do this right like the only country in the world that keeps these things. Can I guess we don't want that to be further connects right right. Which is why I was like yeah. I don't want people misunderstand when I say I was fine with it. I don't mean that like I don't think Carolina did anything wrong. I just mean what you said right. I see the bigger picture here and at the same point like here's here's the thing about that too like look like we both went to Ohio state like you know my one major at. Ohio state was communication. I mean like me to there. We go yeah. It was great. My Second Major was film study. So it was easy. I can coast into great awesome. I used to sit sit in classes next two guys that you played with ingenuity like there's one guy's Parco it's okay it's not having Turner I sit next guys in classes and they literally would just pull out a portable. DVD Player and watch their own highlights on the portable. Was this me okay. You didn't have enough highlight. I was watching the same mid one three my career just rewatching door but like it's so he's likely we're. GonNa have a basketball player skate through yeah. Of course it's very easy to have a basketball player escape through the fact that North Carolina basically allegedly made this something something more than it had to be and like sanctioned in essentially allegedly again I it's just ridiculous. It was time because they also so they all you throw in regular students in with the mix the pot around now. You can't tell who's a regular student. WHO's a student at like it was the perfect crime and I think we as a society should just tip our caps. It'd be like congratulations. Nobody got hurt. Nobody hurt you did but the point being didn't say was out of their jurisdiction with that and a lot of ways as as fucked up as it is is the same thing applied to the Penn State Dusky thing. We're like a lot of those. Punishments got walked back like they. They tried to new Penn State Penn state kind of fought back. They're like Oh we realize as we don't actually have jurisdiction to do this out of our depth here. They kind of pulled back. You got like the Baylor thing which the Baylor sanctions are supposed to be coming any day now. We've been saying that for months. WHO The hell those. It's probably the same thing like they're probably looking like. We have no authority here with the fucking we do also sexual under Brian they haven't they have the sanctions have naive about it. I don't think they have I think like the notice of allegations came and they're trying to hammer mon but they keep pushing off the actual sanctions and I assume it's the same reason because they're like shit. We're not actually equipped to deal with this sort of stuff and the point I'm making here is this Kansas. Thing is what they're equipped to deal with. This is a fastball down the middle except as you said we now have a new little caveat that makes it complicated of is Kansas a victim or the perpetrator yeah yeah now. It's like fuck we had we had it right here. Here's the thing like anytime the NCAA gets into these fights right with a player that is trying to transfer or or you know something along those lines anytime there's public opinion and public backlash against the NCAA for reducing student athletes rights or reducing a student athletes paycheck the NCAA is a tendency to fold now this is more along the lines of your players getting paid but it should theoretically if they have the proof at least in again they should give this stuff was made under penalty of perjury and courtroom he statements by Itj Gas Nola. I think that they're probably going to need a little bit more proof nodal up more proof just a little bit more proof to sway public opinion to their side on the scenario in make it so that it's like a tenable position for them to be able to like really come down on Kansas because right now. I think that the messaging problem they're going to have and the problem. They're going to have general cases proving. TJ Gas Nola was a booster hilarious. I mean if a booster looser what does that make Phil Knight to Oregon Right Right like shit. I don't know if they want to go down that road and down that precedent so I'm going to be released like this is kind of now how interesting look at how the sausage is made within the NCAA with these endorsement contracts from under armor with UCLA in Maryland Land Adidas with Kansas and NC state and places in the Nike like you said with Oregon and Duke and you know Jordan brand with UNC like just everybody but Ohio state yeah agree name them. All these schools have are so intricately connected with apparel depart apparel providers that it's really complicated to try and legislate what is booster and what is not to be right and who is helping the program and you know who's not helping program. It's going to be really interesting. I really don't know what's going to happen here. here's here's a question and this is right off the top of my head admittedly half-baked a fucking died Diane. I'm diving in do we need. Do we need to apparel like is there a way to get. I know they're not going to cause. There's too much money involved like so you think these member institutions and the NCAA are going to be like no. We're going to not take your twenty million yeah right. I was trying to I I WANNA criticize the serious about it can't they to step up and just say like you know what no more shoe companies involved in any lists and like we're not put it like you like school school. Why can't they just do it the NBA does how about that why why can't thirty one deal for all division one so it's going to get really interesting to whenever they start getting into the name image and likeness stuff as well because at at the end of the day these kids that are trying to make money off their name image and likeness are GonNa sign the shoe deals. Probably you know someone like Zion Williamson. He he signed with Jordan brand. You would think that's GonNa happen a year earlier yeah right where he'll signed with. Jordan brand going into his freshman year at Duke as opposed to after his freshman year so nike being like urge or Duke being a Nike School. Yeah does that affect things like what if a Adidas Kid had signs with a Nike school out yeah. I don't really know it's we're in the first place that I mean. It makes sense how we got here. We're shoe companies. Are you know all the money involved. It makes total sense how we got here where shoe companies sponsoring all these programs but if you step back and really think about it like it is kind of weird that Zion Williamson free he might that'd be bags season Nike Guy but. Let's Zion wasn't originally guy what does that. What if what if Zion is whole life he loved wearing adidas shoes like those were the shoes he played best in. They felt more comfortable to him all that kind of stuff and he goes the duke and he's like. I don't really like hell. Nike's fitness blows out his work. He cannot wear. We're an DITA shoe he he he making no money on any of this. Everyone's getting richer. Outta never mind like pay the players in a scholarship like this man like cannot even they dictate dictate what shoe you get aware he cannot. You cannot be like listen. I prefer Adidas. I have not signed any contract with anybody says I'm I'm beholden to one company and the the schools can say well two beds. I and we signed hundred million dollar shoe deal so you have to wear this yeah and like their argument would be like Zion. We literally had engineers from Nike. Come out to Duke and make you a new shoe but at the end of the day you're stealing the kids atonomy to control his own body so yeah. No I totally agree with. It's ridiculous what let's get rid of okay. So what if we do the shoe deals but like we read of this is this is a terrible idea but get rid of all the logos or something like there's gotta be a way they like where we're not like kind of fucked up that we know what you can say a school and say what their shoe brandis like. They're so married buried at this point the thing you could just say you know I think that part of the reason that these apparel companies decide to do this is to get the advertising on TV but the other and I would imagine bigger part financially for them is that they get to sell the payroll young. The team is t shirts and jerseys and everything like that. Not what if we just say hey you can wear whatever shoes you want your we're going to be in terms of jerseys by. Nike Nike is still going to get to sell all of the merchandise and apparel right. Just do whatever you WANNA. Do do what everyone yeah yeah. I don't know I don't know what the solution is. Neither do I but the big question for me going forward with Kansas switch now. Is You know I wish I was trying to figure out who the first media person would be to say. Bill self should be fired because bill self if is like universally below yeah by media of a certain age like all of the legacy media people like to go out and drink with. He's a good old boy. I mean like big old belly. Just WanNa rub you WANNA. You know he's got this smirk. He's he's very I would say likable but he does have. That seems like a very nice down home. Not a slime ball Give off a slime ball vibe. I I don't know bill self at all like he's one of the guys that I don't have a relationship with within college basketball but everyone that I know within the media not everyone but most people I know within the media Nobil self as the greatest dude like an awesome guy so who's going to be the brave journalists analysts the very you know incredible journalists who's going to be like you know what Bill Self. It's all should be fired. It's definitely golly. It's gotta be Sean Yet. He's on the keep him side probably right. That's great. You're yelling about Shawn Miller getting fired. I mean when it comes to like. Patino and other key pixes assist spots so we need a we need a twenty-three reported bill. How much Italian balloon does he have does. That's what it comes down to talk either way. He's gotTa be saving more more fun if he's more than thirty percent. Italian dickey will defend them otherwise he's fucked. dicky's GonNa be fired off those tweets because he went after we'll wait he went after our bill self defense cal. Defense Patino down the middle with him. This is a great point this yeah it's. It's just how much time because you're on hawks. Are we going to have six more weeks of winter. That's what it is. Bill comes out. Just a Google talked really hams it up like trying to get dickey's affection. For why do we think this is the way it is. Though with you know meeting people so willing to attack Shawn Miller and attack we'll wait and then when it comes to bill self it like we haven't seen that yet right like ours been yes some. That's a great question. If if this is true than bill self is in some trouble but like with Shawn Miller. Everyone was like that motherfucker should be fired right now. We'll wait. It was like you know look at look at Al Nervous. He was whenever he was in that press conference. I think will wage problem. Tom Is young and he's a little more brazen about it. Just as attitude around the whole thing that's always problems. Shawn Miller flew too close to the Sun Shawn Miller Lake Shawn on Miller's out here DECI. Shawn Miller pissed off a lot of head coaches to because like I said he he would have been fine if he just got like one top five guy every so often but when you're getting like every single the top five guy west of the Mississippi River every single year you're starting to Piss people off and people are taking notice of that. I think that was his problem but you make a great point like no one What what really is the difference. Do you think I gue- I guess it might be this. Do you think there's an element of if go after bill self were. We're all by extension going after you're Kansas and Kansas is such a behemoth. The old Tarquini thing of like say doesn't WanNa go after the the big schools we need. We need the blue bloods to to be per per preserved zone the blood though like a West Coast Blueblood grade-point that brings me to this note ahead what does meat for Arizona win the NCAA comes out and says we're going after two high-profile programs and six programs in total. That was the report radical march or April Kansas well. That's what I'm asking because they said we have six programs. We're going to dish out ally the notice of allegations to write some of them are high profile the too high profiles are going to happen by the end of July so everyone once set your calendars back. It is no longer the end of September is actually the end of July so. NC State was the first in Kansas. So what does Arizona is Arizona coming or are are they not blue blood or is it not the blood is Louisville as Louisville not a blue blue. It's still who is this is. This is these are these are bigger implications than anything else the business the hierarchy of college basketball is a Arizona is Arizona now going to skate like if I'm in Arizona Fan I mean I'm either very very happy because now I'm like all right. We'll do the math the too high profiles are out of the way I think we're good or like I come like real angry pack pride message boards when like Arizona on our Louisville gets hit for knows allegations and NC states like they didn't call us a Blue Ball Mike Yeah at state fairs. You'RE GONNA be mad yeah that they're not a blue but they don't know that this is a good thing saying that uh other program we don't care. We want to be a blood. yes so Arizona fans. There either tickled to death at like man this reform three or it's going to be double painful painful. Would you still get hit with the sanctions and the sanctions mean. You were never though their blood yeah you're not a high profile program and also your coach which is fired and also everything's been vacated and you're banned from the tournament next year. what does this mean. I don't know so the question movie. CAN WE ZONA fans. be real angry at dickey's dickey back. Yes I sent you a tweak. You have the tweet this promise you. I promise you had to so some guy tweets addictive. This was today right yeah. Some guy tweets a dickey. I I find it. I find it kind of poetic that all of dickey's buddies are getting fired. Slash notices validations education's a dickey respond to the guy I have loads of friends slash get real slash it real handful of guys received notice of allegations period have a great day as I had fantastic morning speaking at and then an all caps notre dame. That was the tweet. Can we talk about taste slash. Get Real Dude. His twitter is a goldmine turned around Arizona. Getting like allegations hurled at the program for a year two. I have have lots of lots of friends and I spoke all caps. Notre Dame's little legend. Oh I got so the question that everyone listening to this show wants to know they they wanna cut to the chase is Kansas. GonNa Burn. Are we going to get bill selves head on a stake. your thoughts. Sam I don't know I think they're like I guess I would lean yes if only because the NCAA A it seems particularly angry about this like the statement and the notice of allegations is like very clearly disappointed pointed at bill self right and they are trying to take down bill self with us. I think like it's why bill self sent back fuck you. It's why bill selves lawyers than sent back separate separate fuck you like. I think this is just what's happening here but do I think that the. NCAA is going to be successful. I mean the NCAA hasn't exactly exactly been like a beacon of you know an incredibly run organization yeah right now a beacon of competence so like I don't know I mean maybe it'll work. I think the one one hangup is as we said before just the FBI saying that Kansas is a victim but then also now. We're arguing that the perpetrator that's all GonNa. I firmly believe the reason I make fun of the Jerry. Tar Canyon quota time is because I think that's the dumbest quote industry of sports it. It's so so stupid like you can go back and look at all sorts of blue bloods hammered by the okay all the time like just absolutely fuck for like the most obvious we're listen. We're two house. Democrats to talk about Ohio State football right getting tattoos. I mean are you crazy. They got they got they got free tattoos and they had entire trestle got fired over that Shit's. He didn't deserve to get fired but I'm saying anyone that says say they would never go like they fucking fired. Jim tressel over tattoos like you really think that they're not scared to go after Blueblood. They'll go after blue bloods. They're not scared while in this notice validations on or or about June fourteenth guests Nola with God does approval use the DA's funds to provide approximately fifteen thousand dollars an impermissible benefits and impermissible agent benefits to blank via wire transfer like yeah. It's crazy like we've leveled up to such an extent or at least the NCAA is leveled up in terms of like what it's actually investigating I wanted to do I wanted to pitch this before tate abandoned us and ruined everything I wanted to do a running series of podcasts we re basis relitigate scandals from the past ever like the biggest great deals ever it was basically the Dusky thing has changed everything everyone was like Oh. That's a scandal. I need to rethink what a scandal actually is. That is a scandal scandal because I before it was like Oh my God how got Tattoos Reggie Bush got a car shit and then and then the okay so never mind forget all of that whole the funniest the thing is like in this notes about allegations it lists like past transgressions by the University of Kansas and it's like in nineteen fifty seven within the university provided like recruiting benefits to blank like what the fuck was that recruiting benefit fifteen dollars unlike burger digging up James Naismith. Mike put him on trial. That's something that you definitely need a dimension you love. I just thought of this another another thing. That's would be funded. Revisit is a Kelvin Sampson phone calls. You like at the time that was like another match. Kevin Kelvin Sampson was making me moth like legal legal now but at the time it was like Oh my God get this guy out of college basketball forever nothing so to answer my question I asked you do. I think Kansas is going to burn. I mean I do think some has to happen. I think this is as I said before the NCAA is if they if they can't do anything about this then they're useless and maybe I don't want anything to happen for that reason I kind of don't want anything to happen because then everyone all the member schools in the NCAA realize why what the hell are you here for if you're not here for this this is put on a tee for you the FBI. Did all the legwork worked for you. They got all the evidence for you. The handed over to the one little problem is that they said Kansas was victim but even then you should be able to give us some blood. You should be able to the blood and if you can't then why are you exist so I have a little bit of faith that something's going to happen but at the same time I think something is going to happen. The question is like like how Severe Ryan like are we talking bill self show 'cause that for them to go to the NBA for five years or whatever comes back to call thunder what who what about a coach swap up thunder and so just Don Donovan to Kansas bill sell to the Thunder Says No. I'm here for it. Well billy inherit a the program. That's about to get newt is it. I is it you're not allowed to go to the. NCAA tournament yeah for a year is it multiple years not allowed to go to the NCAA tournament. I mean we we have an NCAA tournament this year yeah so demand will agree point the the the appeals process is going going to take long enough. The Kansas will still be fine this year. Oh yeah they sent out this they sent this out on September Twenty Third Twenty Nineteen Kansas says ninety days to respond so that takes us to what like December third right so takes us midway through the year. Whatever right to to start conference play and then you and then you go from there and appeared and then it's the drawn out process you appeal you? What is the point is. It's not going to get resolved before the why do you get ninety days so you can be cheeky about it like why do they united rule they request so at the bottom of the notice of allegations they request supplemental information and there are like it ten bullet points here in terms of what the NCAA's asking Kansas to gather okay so we'll in the fucking boxes on the Dali's enough taught. It was just like a no. I thought it was like one of the injury like that sort of like. Kansas doesn't really need the ninety days because they took like ninety minutes to put out their statements like you didn't didn't do this whatever it is. We didn't do it but yeah. It's just a formality so anyway the back the point I was making There's not gonna be a new national. Champion will be crowned before this. This is resolved which there's a good chance can't yes. Yes that isn't play. Kansas and Michigan State are the two best teams coming into the season. One of them will be number one probably probably Michigan. She can state but a lot of people like Kansas to and it'd be one of the two W. One of those two and there is a world. We're Kansas wins. The national title gets vacated like a month wants later. That's what I'm excited for. That's what I really want. Double feature the region but this. Oh this could be great for. Maybe Kansas puts out. I mean to Sosa's obviously obviously linked to all of this on the roster so maybe Kansas City. I don't know who else was involved. It's guilty but but they've already set him like five like that. Dude's rollercoaster for career. He's played in four games or something. I don't remember this point. He settled for so long so many different times. I can't keep up. He's fine like I've never been like a huge fan of him as a player Kansas. Thank me for this time but like he's fine guest. Nola didn't think Espinola say that he gave his foul main was his guy right. Finishing foul main is Sylvia Sosa and by the way Bruno Fernando's already is GonNa throw that out there inch interesting so guess. Nola testified that he did give twenty five hundred dollars to foul may but then he denied. I think the twenty eight thousand dollars was the big payment I think. He denied that one so they all we know for sure. Is that basically the WHO cares. I'm I'm. I'm running with it. As fact there my head there are plenty of five stars that have come to Kansas that it could apply in my head to Sosa is basically been suspended five different times and just like jerked all around like in terms of like eligible eligible now go here now. You're in the middle of this scandal now. You're not whatever and and it's all over basically like two thousand five hundred dollars. That's what's happening. That's basically and now he's now. He's probably GonNa Start for. He's GonNa Start. Certainly I think so I think start for one of the best in the country and now he is back in the middle of all of this and it'll probably be datsun algae Silvio Sosa Bouquet doke yeah and then one of Marcus characterize. Am all standing on whatever this is great for the big ten though because because Michigan State's the other good team. Maybe this nukes Kansas this season. I don't love do this year. I don't love North Carolina this year Kentucky. I like a little bit that'd be fun. That'd be okay yeah. Could this be the year twenty years. God's plan two point. Oh that twenty years after Michigan State won the last title for the Big Ten. It's all happening. It's all falling into place Michigan State Twenty years later will will repeat yeah. I think Michigan State was the cycle. Michigan say it'd be the team that I think is number. One followed by Kansas to I also have have placed a wager on Florida to win the title. I got them before. Kerry black sheer signed so so you're you know I got them at like five to one I saw ah Mike White was on rosters podcast and Rosty estim- is most talented team. You've ever had any said something like by far. The author is and then he goes by far but it was funny. Not I say he's like by far and then he caught himself like during the coach thing where it's like shit at September. I can't say the best team I've ever had. It's like in the same breath like by far. We're loaded and we have a chance has to be. Maybe one of the best teams I've ever had. We have a chance after same by far not like Michigan State Kansas Louisville Florida Florida That's basically four I would point out is like being really in Kentucky to I'm sorry those Kentucky Lot yeah. I do like Kentucky Kentucky Florida's. You me great the state but yeah I don't. I don't love Duke in this year. Yeah Yeah agree. Carolina doesn't have a ton adapt like I'm a huge calling Anthony Guy but Yeah Carolina thinks it's going to be fine. I don't have the way dukes pieces fit together going full Tate I. I'm going full lake. I just need a one year cleanse of Duke after last year like if you can't you can't make the final four of that team. I don't care what you recruiting classes this year. I'm out. I'm out this year. I'm like I'm just out on you. Revisit next year tails on Kansas before we take a break. Oh that's a good question yeah so it is worth mentioning. Maybe that like there is one one place where I think Kansas really might get hit. It's apparently that like people within their athletic department according knows validations like raised concerns about like TJ gas knowle's like like relationship with the program in no one did anything so like that could be something that does end up hurting them trying to think if there's anything he also. I mean just like it's worth mentioning to. I do want to mention this about the football. Program Football Program is tied to this attack detected on various level to allegations allegations to the football program that has won eighteen games in the last nine years. We're hiring less mild so David Beatty. I think it's Jeff love is his name. The those guys were out here are trying to cheat to win two games a year. Oh my God did did they beat Texas. One Year Charlie strong fired right. I swear they beat Texas. I don't know it was like the final. Straw was Charlie strong. He was yeah. I swear that's what happened. That'd be hysterical. stugotz vacated that when we could we please get. Kansas football wins vacated. Hey too because that's the important stuff here. I just also want to say to win being vacated the dumbest penalty in the history of it's done but what else can I do. I guess yes I mean you can do the Scott 'cause scholarships punish layers kids late because because you end up punishing kids that had nothing to do with it so I guests just fine the shit out of the Athletic Department yeah sure where it doesn't affect the kids on the court where they're able to go to the NCAA tournament. Maybe what you do is you band teams from going onto the NCAA tournament three years down the road or so. I actually liked that. That's a great idea down the road so the current kids aren't affected but the program is effective sweeny recruit that comes in knows what getting himself into or like two years down the road and say like because these kids weren't here whenever these allegations nations transgressions went down they'll be able to transfer at the end of the year and Kansas will not be able to go to the NCAA tournament year after that or ex university while I love this idea yeah. This is way too good of an idea for the show. That's a great idea. I did my closing. I just want to reiterate like won the the Jerry Tarquini thing. Let's not do that folks. Let's let's please please don't do that. They can't if Kansas doesn't hit. It's because the NCAA what what's the what's the something razor the we're like the dumbest explanation is usually comes razor often the yes. I'M GONNA play that here and I'd say the reason like some team skate and some teams don't is. There's not some grand conspiracy. It's because the ANC is inept and they don't know what the hell they're doing and it's a case by case like sometimes they luck into something where they have jurisdiction evidence and schools like Shit. You Got US in other times. They tried their out of their element. They tried to punish on on no grounds whatsoever then. They're like tap their chest my bed. I E North Carolina so Kansas gets off. It's not because they're protecting blue bloods. It's because it's really hard to prove shit. That happens like the shadows like having said that. You should still be very very upset because if there's ever if there's one thing that the NCAA associates designed to do. It's it's to take down cases like this. This is why compliance exists in fact. I wrote this diet that my party that was as I had this quote from the article two. They said a a veteran compliance officer said the sports very very serious. When told of the contents of the Kansas letter in the quote was that's everything that compliance is employed to prevent. That's that's the TRIFECTA. That's unbelievable. That's the reason why compliance exist just thinking about it gives me anxiety again like doomsday quotes yes and that guy sounds like a blast yes. He's he's stressing. He's like fan himself off. He has nothing to do with any of this is just like I have so much anxiety from people. I don't know what happened on like Friday. At what like maybe like the original revere thing. They like five or six o'clock. This guy was happy. Happy hour melting down like go to the bathroom to like Dab the sweat and everything she's freaking out go home. Kansas got notice all right We're gonNA take a break. We're GONNA come back. We're going to talk about Rick Pitino and Schumer Kiki and stuff. I quick Oh great to talk about Roman with two thirds of guys experiencing knows but here in Las Vegas thirty five most guys assume losing their hair is inevitable is age. Some don't care some shave their heads some embrace ask but what they don't know is that they're. FDA A approved medications designed to stop hair loss and even real hair. That's why we are excited to partner with our sponsor. Roman Roman makes it easy to get safe. 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Cows is you can say any any phrase whatsoever and it's some sort of Innuendo. It doesn't matter Rick Pitino his Lawsuit Against Louisville. He gets fired he. He believes it was a wrongful termination. This this is two years ago when when all this stuff out we should brought that up at the Kansas thing we're almost to the day the two year anniversary of the big news break. FBI is changing the landscape of college basketball almost to it. What was it the twenty six twenty seven or something like that. I was on a beach in Mexico when this broke and like I was theoretically working for the college basketball basketball side of the athletic and I was like Oh well you guys you didn't say this is very very serious and say happy hour and just because I was not that I did not write that there will not be an NCAA so Patino Gets Fire Louisville. He's he to even now. He still remains like the only casualty of all this. I believe I have to go back and really think about it. Who Else is reading account like book Richardson and the only the only head coach casualty there are other because Brian and Kevin got fucked by the whole thing too and maybe the only the only like name big name the we shall Lillard still got out. That's basically what I'm trying to say. Gottfried Gottfried is I guess. He got a but he's fine yeah. He got got his latest button and cal state back. Yeah Kyle will will be this cow carry water for Godfrey as long as he needs I do so Patino gets fired. He feels very hurt by this. E files a forty million dollar lawsuit in two thousand seventeen. That lawsuit has just been settled Rick Pitino. They decided it's not take this to court. Let's settle out of court. The terms of the settlement Patino gets nothing. This is not seem like a settlement the one hundred it cost him money lawyer fees he got nothing. The only thing he got was Louisville changed the terms of his his departure from a a termination to a resignation so technically quit he was not fired you can't you can't fire. I quit that's what he said and that was the only thing in the sediment and gave him nothing which tells me AAC that they presented like they had the big sit down. Let's have a settlement meeting. Both lawyers presented the evidence and Louisville presented. All the evidence against Patino Patino was like slow all right yeah. Let's not take this to trial. Let's just in this now. That's what that tells me. This is like a just reminds Michael Scott for some reason. He's live like him like saying David Wallace. You don't know how high yes yes and then he flies to Panathinaikos. Ingredients is he's like I you can you can settle this lawsuit but there will be another lawsuit and then another lawsuit another lawsuit. I'll sue you so is this like him. Just being able to put an asterisk Astra on his resume when he goes back stateside like what is that. I have no idea what the thought is. I it's it's I do. I do know what the thought is. There's two things with a guy like Pitino is he. He it's it's just an ego thing. He doesn't want someone to tell him that he isn't good enough and being fired idea in Rick Pitino had the idea of being fired coach which is incontrovertible. He's like I am one of the greatest coaches ever I. I know that I follow the rules. I don't know why no one else believes me but I follow the rules. I'm a great coach. The idea that someone would break up with me and tell me you're not good enough that doesn't sit well with me so I need that changed any that terminology changed and the other thing is like Patino and this is true of him and this is like as he was tweeting this today and this is an aside. He tweeted today about how he invented the concept of deflections forty years ago he he was the first coach I was like deflecting in the ball in defense is is actually good. this is a man who his brain is always wired to think about the game and even said this as all the scandal was first coming out and he gets fired and all that all of his defense is always seemed to be like. I never cheated the game of basketball. I gave the game of basketball. Everything I've you know all everything I had my blood sweat and tears like Rick. We know you love the game of basketball. You also gave the game of basketball. Hookers gave a basketball like like affairs Italian restaurants in fucking abortions. What are you talking about Rick. We know you love the game of basketball and that is how mind always works is like I. I respect the game. I don't understand why no one else sees that I respect the game. So so that's pretty much it is like he he doesn't understand. He's still to this day does not understand what the problem was with any of this because he's like. I I was the first embrace the press defense I it was the first embraced the three point line and I invented deflections and for some reason people think I'm a bad guy and I don't get why because I did all those things and just won the Greek Cup or something sure why does no one loved me and that's that's what he does every every night and I was thinking to do next you. What what do we think is next routine. Is it literally just he sits on twitter and talks. Ah Basketball Yeah maybe but I think he's going to get coaching job. I think back to the pride neo thing like I'm going to. I'm going to contradict like myself if this man can swallow his pride and and that's a big ask as I just said he will get another division one job if he wants it right. I don't not power conference. He just has to be able to be like yeah sure I'll coach in the sun belt. I mean like Larry Brown got one. I guess in like Larry Brown coaching to council originally definitively. I mean is only sixty seven still so he's got time. Ucla boosters wanted him like news never actually going to UCLA. The fact that like yeah yeah we forgot six. There's gotta be somewhere like will will take a chance on the guy I mean if I would want to just you know I know Oh that he wants to coach basketball and maybe maybe the best job for him is something like cal. State Northridge they fire out for even higher potato somewhere like UC UC riverside or something like that goes yes. He can go live on the beach. Go hang out like Rick. You've given the game of basketball enough you gave us. deflections elections gave us the press if godfried if it comes to the big. West in Godfried in Patino coaching against each other I I will move heaven and earth to sit courtside at that game. I will be the greatest. Oh my God oh. We always wanted him in Nevada so I mean maybe if things don't go so right for all. Steve I mean maybe we actually in Reno Second Corino good fit yeah. That's a really great idea actually took over full of great ideas. Look at this. Oh my God by the way the joint statement and and we'll move on for Patino they put out a joint statement after the settlement the university and Patino got together this this is this is one of the lines. It's not that fun fun on hyper up too much. He says although these infractions may not have occurred at coach Pitino direction or with his knowledge the problems leading to say fractions happened under his leadership and the point point of saying that is like even on the way out the door. Patino still find found a way to give one last. I take full responsibility but police understand I knew nothing of any illness and it's not my fault in any way when she performed but I also take full responsibility so man keep playing the history. We love you. Come back to college. Basketball we do casino is the best possible the answer here that he ends up on TV somewhere like Fox more tiresome. That'd be great. I think that actually is I mean it would be like the purest insight into ripped. Tino's breaks all honesty. The guy is a basketball savant. He's a genius. He's a great coach. He's an amazing coach like Louisville. Ah Chris Mecca Lot Louisville is going to be very good this year. It's not the same. It doesn't work for me. I needed what I turn on Louisville. I need to see the white suit coconut water and the Yeah and pressing and their Louisville's weren't like I need to see it all in I missed Rick Pitino. I really truly miss him. Not Just WanNa make jokes about him. Like Louisville part of why I love college basketball so much is that there's so many different styles and especially the NBA has has seemed to be getting more and more of the same style like everyone's doing the same thing which is fine. I love the NBA on I watch a ton of NBA two part of what makes college great to me is that all the different styles that exists and Rick Pitino had a very very unique style of basketball yeah that that he invented a he invented and he alone invented and to have that going on and you have like even acc alone you Carolina running up and down to you looked Lewis Press Yeah Virginia plain slows like Duke doing doing whatever growing the ball yeah just go ice o ball like everything about it was great and and Florida State plan like five seven footers at once and when they did that a couple helping your whatever it was this is it was great and to not have that brand basketball I mean I know other coaches tried to do it but no one can do it as well as Rick. Do we think the Pudding Rick Pitino we know on TV would be like a don't meet your heroes situation where like we get his like unfiltered thoughts as opposed. Semi filtered gets yeah. I feel like there'd be serious. Concerns earns there yeah it it it would go bought when Bob Knight was on Espn Holy. Shit like what have we done four. They thought it'd be fun to have like a semi controversial guy. They're like no this is. This is an absolute disaster starts yelling at kids. They sit down and we can see the play happening. Whatever happened with his podcast. Did it continue I think he did I I don't. I don't know I should know that you're talking about. Bob Knight for real concern is I think it's twitter background. Picture is still the Patino Press. That's why I don't know if he's continuing to pack that. He invented yeah. He invented the Patino print spots. spots puts our runway equate. We'll wrap this up. okay so your name be a guy. I'm just fascinated. We don't really need to discuss this. He's Richard this is this is this like 'cause. Turford like he wanted to get out of Auburn so badly that he just this is this is not a great look for Bruce Pearl inaugur that he he's left Auburn to not to not sign it so those are you look we should we should tell people what's going on for those that don't know no idea we tuckey is a guy like Auburn's he was was their best pro prospect probably their best player last year but maybe not but whatever had a massive game against North Carolina in the sweet sixteen in tears his acl towards the end of the game Knox Knox North Carolina out of the tournament. He gets drafted sixteenths to the magic. They just said that he's going to sit out the entire year because it's a lead his knee hill. Whatever but what's interesting is that he is not signing his rookie contract so basically the magic gives them more flexibility with money. It's great for the magics and Romney. They're close to the luxury tax. But why the hell would he do this. It starts because like your rookie deal sucks. It's set in stone right and then if you play well after your rookie deal then you can sign like Max deal or whatever you know you signed your big deal so you basically have to wait three years right. After you signed your rookie deal for four so you wait for the clock to start. He's not starting this clock. Basically yes and he's redshirt four where he's going to be on the magic. He's I think he's like registering for college. He's actually knocking to be on the magic. 'cause he's not signing his entry level. I'm trying to understand because as as an idiot doesn't know I watch NBA but I certainly don't know how all the pieces move in the front office of how is this. Why would he do this. Okay so so does this make sense. Get it and I don't understand it but I now don't understand the way you don't understand it. Why would he do this continue so most of at the time in these circumstances and I don't have like an intricate knowledge of what happened with Toomas case specifically but teams talked to prospects and agents agents and say hey. Are you willing to do this. Are you willing to do that. Most of the time it refers to second round picks because second round picks don't have a guaranteed contract structures right right so in order to retain rights to a player. If you draft a player in the first round you have to offer them eighty percent of their rookie okay contract right which is to guaranteed yours to team option years at the end If it's the second round pick you'd have to offer them a totally unguaranteed not one year contract tender basically so very few players sign that tender because there's no guarantee money right like your so someone like Colton Everson who played at Colorado state and many years ago the Celtics drafted him in the second round and for many years he has played in Europe up in his made like pretty good money in Europe. He's getting one hundred you know for example one hundred and fifty thousand dollars guaranteed to play in Europe versus zero dollars guaranteed play in the NBA so it makes more more sense for him to sign in Europe and continue to make that money that's what I did to Rice signed by the Blazers and then he was so devolved into Carmelo trate de Blur every year you know I don't know if John would know this necessarily but like dealer every year the rockets had to offer him a totally non-guaranteed tender for the the minimum contract. His agent probably turned down just John Wooden John Useless. He doesn't know anything about this but yeah so in this circumstance Komo Kiki. It's very rare to see I the only other circumstances that I can remember this is Josh eustis right for Oklahoma City and this was worked out ahead of time it was announced is basically like as he was drafted that this was going to be the plan that they were GonNa Session now with Oak Kiki. The fact that it has stretched on for three months after the draft has raised some eyebrows wide in terms of like. How exactly did this happen. Basically it's something that like I got told about. Maybe like July is something that was plausible but no one really knows like the exact inner workings of how this this ended up happening but the reason that aqui would consider something like this. I think it's a bad deal. I think that his agency should be ashamed but the idea behind it would be that. Oh Kiki is getting offered eighty percent of the rookie scale for the sixteenth pick in this year's rookie scale about two point one two million dollars I if he waits until nick season to sign I would bet you that Orlando is offering a one hundred and twenty percent rookie scale which is the maximum that you can offer in and it'll be on the twenty twenty. NBA Draft Rookie scale which is slightly higher okay so it'll be three point three million dollars so he'll be making one point one million extra owned by waiting potentially. This is my idea on what's happening. I don't have intimate knowledge on this. I just know the CPA works. Do I think this is a good plan. No I think that Chuma should take the eighty percent and start his clock to get the free agency because he's still making four million dollars. Guaranteed versus six million dollars guaranteed look like I understand that I'm not the person turning down two million dollars guaranteed but like I think it's just a lot more valuable valuable to start your free agency clubs. It feels like the exact opposite of betting on yourself whereas yes yeah a little bit yeah guaranteeing yourself more money in case this goes wrong. It doesn't heal right right yeah. It's not look I'm not GonNa sit here and say it's like the dumbest thing in the world not but like if I was that the agency I would have decided to go. I would be ashamed of myself as like I think it's the business smart to do with this. Bill your account. I Would Li Bank so if he waits he he still the lease Omega eighty percent of next year weights. He'll make probably I would guess if a fuck yeah like hey remember that one twenty it's going to be like more like eighty theoretically do that but you can't get any lesson that I think he's Rep by. CA So Orlando won't do that. It's not worth creating an enemy with so yeah. It's a convoluted deal. to me like the idea of getting your free agency clock started earlier being a free agent wherein twenty twenty two versus twenty twenty three or whatever the years would be. That's that's a lot more valuable to me but you know I'm not the one getting offered two million dollars extra essentially. Can we spend this in this. Make this battling Bruce Pearl. That's really all I want is just yeah yeah like this this Red Shirt for Bruce Pearl the NBA he could have stuck around and and been around the Auburn Program but instead he's like I want to go to the NBA for free and not actually signed my rookie deal and yeah 'cause. I won't out of Auburn so badly tough. Look for bruce bad loss anytime I could shit on Bruce Borough. I WanNa take that opportunity speaking of the speaking of next year's draft. Wha- What is real quick. You're the draft. Guru we we had you on leading up to this draft and yeah it was great so going into this season. What are we looking for. Who James Wiseman a guy who's the guy we only care about the top don't Boris middling guys except for Nico love him. Yes love to hear that I would say. There are three guys that stand out for me right now. Call Anthony Anthony Edwards word North Carolina Georgia. We are going to tell everybody 'cause Georgia. Our listeners are idiots Anthony Edwards and James Watson Memphis now three and play for the top taking your opinion right now for me. Yeah I mean a lot of basketball left to be played folks like for instance like John. Cavani who is awesome joy John a lot like wrote a big thing. Lamelo ball all earlier today and said that he's according to NBA Scouts that he's talked to a contender for the number one overall pick now mum. I think Mel's awesome if you saw them play at the drew this summer out here in la La like he looked really fucking good do. I think that he is in play for that yet. I want to see him in like a non preseason. NBL event like he had a great set of two games in what is called the NBA blitz over struts essentially like this preseason event then where they get the season going. I want to see what it looks like more. That's a great name straight. NFL bullets fucking intense go out there and get the hell out of each other extreme basketball. It's getting real physical so yeah. I WANNA see more from mellow. Well I think mellows awesome like he's an incredibly talented player in Aspen and he's now like six six six seven. That's hilarious that he's that he's this good because for so many people and certainly most of our Audience Bahamian particular he will always be the kid that the one video him when he was like fourteen. Yeah Jack it up like forty footers an air ball and everything and just had swag swag was at one hundred skills where like three and one of the funniest videos ever if that guy goes on to become the number one pick. It's going to be great the the draft it'd be fantastic the draft coverage of of metabolic just the memes coming out as well. Wolf Lavar out there yeah wild. I'd love it yeah so this here is a heavily international year to okay yeah. I would say that there are seven or eight guys that they're yourself now for a lot of a lot of takes aches from people that haven't watched a second. It's going to be a lot of youtube highlight. Yes yeah so like it's going to be nationally. Put it onto one episode. Surrey can rant about this. This is this is my number. This is the whole I'm GonNa. I'm GonNa say this again. Just for some reason people don't understand this. We're making fun of Luca into that trap heat night. Just made fun of Jeff Jeff of but the joke was not that we didn't we would never seen Luca sucks. We're saying we haven't watched him. Play neither as anybody else to shut the hell up. All the people have slurping If you don't love Luca you just love the idea of a white guy in Europe kind of Pudgy being greater basketball. That's what he loves to be honest thousand and so. We just made fun of everyone. Everyone was like dome and the guy out before you gotTa America which was hilarious but he's great. He's good now. We we like him now. Though Jalen Brunson came out of the pods of Luca with not even started in the Villanova team that won twenty sixty two. I love that tha not true but I love that took those the twenty. Eh Twenty eight thousand teams what he meant that was the draft obviously if so is Anthony Edwards. That's the guy that my own because he's a cream guy. Do Christmas line too close to the sun getting He's he's big recruiting class Tommy Korea. I feel like the the hammer in home the I. Coach Dwayne Wade. I coach Victor all the depot now. Anthony Edwards includes lines coach Tom Prichard Anthony Edwards is next in line to be the victims of the depot Dwayne Way. That's what he's banking on on. This is going to be a third. He's like Thanos collecting the stones. This is the third one right but this feels feels kind of scary. I don't know anything about Anthony. I just know the Georgia basketball's. Ask not the greatest. I- i- everyone's telling me Anthony Edwards is great so I hope out this is the case but is there a chance this is like a Markelle full situation where like Georgia actually he sucks. Anthony Edwards is like good belay not that great and then Thomas fuckers. My plan a little bit. I really great when it comes to development element like any. NBA Scout you talked to any coach. They'll say like no. I think Tom Actually does a really good job. Developing kits yeah Anthony Edwards in high school. He has been this like remarkable power athlete like the clip that has gone around and gone viral with Anthony Edwards. is him like baptizing Johnny Zang. Who's is going to Kentucky here. Yeah like ended. This kid's life Pangasius like Dot Lee was coaching on the sidelines and I looked at dog in Doug gave like the stink face like looking away from the play because he was like Oh my God no he just happened. Doug was looking at his mentions from his tweet. This is weird time uh-huh so Anthony Edwards like he's the power athlete who can get into the lane and do all the stuff. He hasn't really been asked to do a lot of skill stuff in high leverage situations yet and like his team didn't win on a games ooh like there's just like a little bit. I think he's he's going to be great. I'm a big fan of him but to say that this is like a guarantee you know Georgia's a top three team in the country or whatever I don't know I was. I was a fan of Anthony Edwards again to reiterate. I've watched none of these guys except Neekam highlights. That's about the extent of my coverage of recruiting classes. I proudly you do not follow the recruiting but Anthony Edwards. I was excited about the idea of him because that's always the take. Is that the number. One recruit is not actually the best player so oh. I was excited in like July June or whatever because James Weisman's normal guy he's the he's pennies big guy. He's got the job before being honest the bride's so he's the guy but the galaxy brain looks at the scene and says no no no the number one guys not the number one guy. We actually have to go down a little bit when I picked Anthony Edwards words but then I noticed that everyone else was talking about anthony like I don't know anymore. I think I think you're right on that like James Watson's number one guys when the awards and everything the guy's going to be most productive active and college basketball's coal anthony I would. I wanted to talk to you about him in. Let's just move on to I was the question I was going to average twenty points six assist the rebound saying I keep saying to trigger. I Have Seen Coal Anthony Highlights. I lied. I cheated on Nicole a little bit and watch because as soon as as soon as Ohio State Carolina got paired up the big thing I got to know more about Karl Anthony the DJ Carton called Anthony. Things could be awesome. Dj's start but like we'll see he's GonNa Start. He's the best player on the team. He's he's. He's amazing Kotecha. Please so I was the thing I say about coal. Anthony Trigger North Carolina Carolina fans is that he's Austin rivers. I have some Austin rivers. I Have Austin rivers vibes. He's a privileged kid growing up in like he's he. He thinks he's bigger than the school that he's playing for. I get that not a lot of talent around him. Per Se not as much as you would expect for a North Carolina China yeah where he's at. He's just going to do everything himself. I get her though okay yes yes. I don't think I don't think it is I. I don't think it's accurate. I get where you're coming from. the reason that I say that is because he's been just like ridiculously productive every single place. He's been like you have triple double last year. Kill like yeah like he went to Nike Basketball Academy. This summer like waters probably a week two weeks before my wedding and August esten lying. He was the best player they're like caches. Winston was there like yoga as a bouquet was there all these like elite level college basketball players were there and he was the best guy like he was just diamond guys all over the core thrown pocket passes thrown by cross corner whips. Goddamn like he's like the thing that people fool complain about with him is like that Austin rivers thing where they say like Oh. This guy is like all about himself. He's not about winning. Score points really think that's true. I think people just it's kind of want to like pick holes. He's I think he's really good God. I hate about coins. Yeah I've been. I've been very very excited about Carolina how stain because it just feels like A. I don't know I've built I I. I'm usually not on how people give me chiffre talking about. How stayed on here all the time but I'm not a house. They say no. I don't talk I don't. I'm not the guy that at every season I'm like I think we're going to be really good this year. I'm very very excited about this. Ohio state team though so man. DJ EJ cards a big reason why but like you said I don't know if he's GonNa actually start to start right away but they cj Walker from Florida like they have lease definitely. Dj Cards definitely the Best Player on on Austin milestone. I think long term whether or not he's there like for the North Carolina game so I myself up into that being the time. TJ Carton Call Anthony Showdown. Dj Dj Carton gets the best of them in Chapel Hill and then just ecstatic and that's what I tell us I mean I know it hasn't been anything I know excited. I last last year was last year too long years yeah. It's been a while so you're going to be better off there were last year. I think anything else before you I don't know about uh-huh I have. I have well we got. We got to do some shoutouts Joey Hauser. I saw this file to transfer waiver to be eligible for Michigan State immediately. He transferred from Marquette Kyle. You know this guy as we make the joke about Marquette that mark that they're the two brothers that Marquette G- GONNA probably be topped team coming into season and Marcus Howard our They're the best score marquette average like twenty five Russia. He says he's coming back and everyone was like Oh shit. Marquette is going to be unbelievable this year. They might be top five team. Whatever and then like three days later the house or brothers that we're getting the hell out of here because Howard Beck one of them went to Michigan State. He's now wants to transfer waiver the whole reason and this is hilarious because Michigan state as we said is going to be really good this year and it's my understanding. He has zero grounds for this waiver whatsoever other than just like. I really WANNA play this year. Come on they let me play. I have no idea I don't know why it'd be eligible. I don't know I just wanted to read. 'em Emotional distress mark Howard chucking this this has become a problem the the transfer waivers like so many people are throwing them out there that I do. WanNa make jokes about it but I know I'm GonNa get burned on one of these. Were like I'm GonNa. I'm GonNa joke about like Oh. This guy wants a waiver and then like dude his his brother has cancer. Just give them all yeah. Give them all waivers. Pay The players the players the other thing I wanted to say is A. Ucla football scored sixty seven points against Washington. We actually watching this game to go kind of on your phone. Florida at the bar and mccrone is Ucla's head basketball coach so ucla basketball will not score sixty seven points in any game this year over under the fifteen games where they score sixty seven points. I'm taking the under whatever it is with Cronin. I'm taking the under under including height related things like that. you mentioned your wedding. We'll wrap it up with this. We gotTa Talk About Your Wedding. I went to your wedding. I briefly. I don't remember remember if I told us on the podcast maybe I maybe I did. Maybe I didn't hear now. I'll say it again. I just WANNA. I just WanNa Brag that you and I went on a fifty nine to nothing in cornhole rally. I did say this fifty nine so let's wrote again. Shrinks talk about fifty-nine nothing. Kyle just rolled folks yeah. That's all there's that's all we really need you in Cleveland. I know yeah you were videotaping because this hilarious that was that was a that was so good time I was going to tell another story. Everybody surly married probably not still married. We're out a month yeah. What what do you want to get into the store. Is I mean what does We don't need to specifics call. You'll love the store. There's a guy and there's a guy at the wedding that site. I sat next to him. I was at his table. He had his sights set on so it's the same wife. I don't know if I could divulge as much like Sam's wife. If was a an athlete. She has a lot a lot of the the women that came to weddings. were also athletic builds. Attract attractive women that right so this guy sitting next to has a sights set on like the one put on a pedestal right away and he's telling me like locked in her. I'm locked in and then so I was like sure like He. He almost was like asking me. Is that okay like. Is that what I'm locked in. Do you want her to. I'm like Bro. No Watch this year for the open bar. You're like I'm going to get out of here but so he's like cool. I'm locked in so the whole night like the side the side story for me watching this. We're playing Cornell having fun at the wedding every so so often. If I kind of felt like I was bored or something I would just turn and look at the guy in watches pursuit and it was going horribly. It was like I felt like I should step in and say something like is. He bothered like it was one those situations Mike. It looks like to me. I like went over to one of her friends and I was like this. This is the problem she was like no. It's fine like yeah totally. Go don't worry about it and I was like okay. Her body language was was like get this fucking guy away from me. So then I started watching more because I was like Shit Dude. I might have to kick his ass or something. I might be the hero in all this. I don't know yeah right. I think I might be interested after all interest so I I I'm kind of keeping an eye on this as the night progresses. She starts to get into more. Oh no no yes field it. Yes I'm like hold on. Wait a second long story short. It happened what Yes yes long story resort the greatest it was the greatest comeback I've ever yes see seven point win. It was one of the greatest comeback I've ever seen in my life back to our or that so we go back to my place like the after all star that starts like call. There are probably twenty five people in my apartment. Jesus you fit twenty people in there yeah. Nice Porch Ns Yeah that's exactly right so he falls asleep on my couch. Whatever they get back he or she he okay now. She's just out having to get to okay and he wakes up and then like rallies rallies and then seals the do and seals the deal my guy in my bathroom. Oh Oh my God that had already been vomited. It was the greatest comeback one of the greatest comebacks and we should we should read everything was constituent. No funny the business just for anyone listening it was this is not a story of of smoke and mirrors or solicit. It was a story of like a man just just would refuse to lose refusing to lose and then the woman saying you know what you are pretty charming after all yeah what story what am I believe is. It's so anyway Sam. This is good. Thank you thank you for for stopping by. You got anything else to add before you folks that's it. We'll be back next week. Thanks for listening the the Bruce Pearl Brazilian uh-huh.

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"Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening on the ESPN app app gas, where have you get your podcast? We appreciate it, right. As review was gives five stars. You ought to give us four stars. I'm inclined to think that you are a hater coming up NC double a trial. How come that hasn't really been a big thing. Know people won't me talk about Peter mass. We don't talk about Peterman, but I. Today, did you know that it's toll for six teen? The NBA season is already started as a little town to remember that sort of thing. They want to stress season. How's it? It'd be fewer back to backs and all of this if feels a little bit too early for the season to be starting. But that being said it also feels too early to be forty eight degrees outside, which is what it was when I walked into work today, which is to say, don't nobody care if you think it's too early. Sometimes stuff just happens starting today, thunder warriors, which probably would have been a more interesting game as the second of the double header. If Russell Westbrook were playing, but he still recovering from a knee surgery, but we do have the Sixers and the Celtics. You may recall those guys played in the postseason last year, the Celtics one that in five games. But what as to be disconcerting for the Sixers, when you really think about that is that was without Kyrie Irving that was without Gordon Hayward. Those guys are going to be back like I think that we would all agree. One, two t. Tin, the Celtics are the best team in the NBA. Now, one to six or seven, you're talking about different people perhaps, but one to ten, I don't think anybody's better than the Celtics. Now how much that matters when you get to the playoffs. That becomes his own discussion because the playoffs are really about one through eight, like having all those great guys at the end of the bench. That's not really the way this goals, right? It's one way when we get to the play offs, but I just want to start by taking this opportunity to say, I everybody who talks about how poor in mediocre the east is what is not interesting about the east. Really when you think about this somehow we are interleague remote. People think that the warriors are going to walk to a championship, but will then get in your face and tell you about how weak the east is. Now, how warriors going to a championship, if the west wing week two. Oh, all of a sudden your logic falls apart, doesn't it? Now? I do not believe that the warriors simply going to Walter this. I think the warriors are going to sleep walk through the regular season because they figured out that they can do that. Let us not forget. They had the greatest regular season of all time and that counter for what French call bupkus absolutely nothing, but I'm sitting here looking at the ease. These are all teams that I think are going to give you something interesting to pay attention to this year. They may not all be great, but I think they'll all provide something. That's interesting. Boston thing we'd agree. I mean, that was pretty obvious Philadelphia, Toronto Kawai Leonard joining in over there. I think Cleveland is actually going to be interesting and probably will be a playoff team. They should have enough talent to do that Detroit. I still think that. You're never gonna be able to convince me that having to really big, really talented guys, somehow a problem, especially now about away. Blake Griffin, shoots about thirty five percent from three and shoots about five or six of them a game. I mean, that's a credible. That's credible. It has basically all you need to big guy to beast ended out there is credible, Indiana. Yeah, that's interesting Milwaukee yet. That's interesting. I'm not really owned this trae young wagon, but some of y'all law shout out to Atlanta, Miami. I think that was interesting. Washington always interesting. Teams that I think we could count as being good or at the very least legitimately, talented, the Isa's guy, plenty the west when you go through it like Golden State. Yeah, the Lakers, of course. This is its own thing, right? Here's like the like the, I guess, of the west. The clippers, I guess Phoenix Sacramento, Dallas, even though they got dodgers that's still kind of, I guess, Memphis world. We got deer. Y'all go watch Denver, like air by. I was about halfway decent every is standing up and watching him games like the west bottom of the west is pretty me. Okay. San Antonio, we don't know what the hell that's even going to be. The bottom of that is pretty mediocre. The top is halfway decent, but only forget you don't forget to teams in the Westwood two games last year, two teams to teams in west one fifty games this year. Like we have a broad league that I think creates a lot for us to discuss. And I think at the top of the east, Boston is a team that I think ultimately challenge Golden State when it comes down to it. Depending on what Philadelphia becomes that one will be interesting. Toronto. Does kind of have one of the five best players in the NBA. We can't forget that. Like there's a lot that's going on Indian BA this year, but I'm run some by that. You may find interesting man, Florida. James came up with this. He was looking at four man lineups from last season over the best four man lineups interns in Neta physics you Netafim is plus might as of or one hundred possessions right now we're go over four, nine, five, yes, we know five people play at a time, but you'll get this. You know what? Team has three of the top four of these lineups three of the top four of these top man lineups. The sixers. Yeah, NBC Simmons and Covington. We're number one. Number three. M b Simmons Rettig in Covington and number four. This is where it gets interesting. Simmons Rettig Saric in Covington. No Embiid. But the idea that the Sixers could take 'em bead off the floor and still have a lineup that stacks up just about anybody in the NBA as you tell you a lot about them and we get into the place with them. Now throwing your boy full out there don't none of us know you know, being shoot gave to an off shoot. I know he took shot, but we know if he can shoot, you said your boy full. Who's Boise exact gotta, give them to somebody. We still don't know if he can shoot all the someone's trying to trade him to me in fantasy for someone else. I got whose name currently escapes me, but I said, no. So that just goes to show you how much confidence I haven't Foltz. I am impressed by the fact that you're capable of play fantasy basketball. I just can't do that. It takes too much. I can do football because all you gotta look at that and once or twice a week. Okay. Well, here's the thing though, about fancy basketball now I don't wanna be she'll for fancy basketball, but now you can sit your lineup for the whole week on just one fell swoop just with one click the button. Yeah, so I just play. It's fun. There you go. I ain't got EMMY so I cannot do that myself necessarily, but no, the Sixers, the Sixers are. I mean, they're going to be very interesting because what both of their young guys got exposed against the Celtics not exposed in a way that is necessarily permanent, but we went through the whole year like, so what have been some can't shoot, and then the Celtics are like, oh, here's what happens because. Simmons can't shoot the other thing that happened. There was Embiid and we realized that he's so big and he's so athletic and he can do so many things, but the Celtics are putting dues down there that were banging with him. And if he could make the move immediately, it wasn't there and he get the ball and he back up in Aaron Baynes. It would even be back up in our Horford get the ball, bang, bang, bang, three dribbles, right. But there was no move. There was nothing that he could do like he didn't have that element of Sutton to his game, but is the problem for guy. He's going to rack up. It uses rate of thirty three percent by when he gets the ball, he expects to shoot. That's what he wants to do. Teams go figure out what it is to do with him. They're gonna figure out what the doubles are and he's going to have to make that elevation. And then there's been Simmons where it's not even a matter of whether bins them is going to have to get better at shooting his going to have to get better at like shooting not shooting well, actually doing it like taking a basketball in jumping and hurling it from. Double digit feet away from the basket. He's actually going to have to do that. I can't wait to see how that he balls what happens with Boston. That one is going to be interesting to see what goes on because more interesting data from a man, Florida, James, the thing about kyri as went with that team and they did pretty well without him in the postseason just to be clear the per one hundred possession numbers. They were better retiree on the floor than they were with him off the floor, right? That's no question there. Plus five point three with them on the floor, a plus two point two with him off the floor. They're a much better offense team with on the floor one away point, seven physicist number with them on one on one point. Nine is the officials you never with him off, but they were a better defensive team without him like to the tune of about four and a half points per one hundred possessions that is not an insignificant difference. How they work this all together in that way is going to be interesting to gave you think about this man. Jason Tatum guy used shooting last year on his training with covy this summer. Yeah. So you know what that's gonna mean? Shots? Yes. More shots? Yes. And more shots? Not in the flow of the offense. Yeah. Like, how's this go because kyri Kyrie's not here to get your shot for you. That being said to Boston, have anybody who did that like their best playmaker is Al Horford. That was, I think the thing we learned last year is that their best playmaker was definitely Al Horford. And that's important because Horford is an exceptional playmaker, but also because there aren't there for that, that's that's not what they come here for. So now we're gonna talk about working kyri back in which we're gonna talk about working Gordon, Hayward Beck in, we'll tell you them. And as much as this new generation of kids seems to have a bit of shall we say, spree to core about a, it's great all of us here today. I just wanna play with a bunch of really good players. Everybody's got that how Jaylen Brown and feel about the fact that some of those shots he got used to come in, they're not going to be their house Terry Rozier going to feel about that. Hell, how much playing time is Teri are going to get because Kyrie's back Marcus smart, just signed an extension. How many of these lead guard types do you actually need like? I am fascinated to see how this all goes together because my history of watching the NBA has indicated that it is any rule two week arrive with only one ball. That's it. There's one ball and dunes like shoot dues like to contribute and dunes don't simply want to contribute by existing. Don't wanna simply contribute by setting screams. That's not no. That how this worked like Stevens is going to have to figure this out and look, this ain't coaching Butler. I, this is coaching NBA players with NBA egos and NBA expectations that being said, if they get it rolling as most of us reasonably expect them to do who board it can be scary. They can be scary and they absolutely can be a team that can beat the wars. I don't. I don't see any. I don't really understand how it is that people have watched the last three or four postseasons in just been so convinced that the warriors are so far ahead of the rest of the league that there is no intrigue as to who is going to win the championship. I don't. I just simply do not get it the first year. They won that championship when they got to play everybody. Not having a point guard. Remember that anyway. They were down to one, but the last three series, they were down to one. They're now, of course they came marching back. I don't want to pretend they didn't win these and it wasn't clear in those guys. They were the best team out there, but. It wasn't as though they just ran away from everybody the following season. Of course, you remember this, they were down three one against Oklahoma City came back to win. It were up three one against the Cavs came from a hit to lose it, but the fact that they were they down to somebody that was at three one, but it was the way that Oklahoma City did it. They did not try to do this by playing the same style, a ball of the warriors. They did it with big boys. They did it out there where at cantor and putting them twin tower types out there saying, look, this is going to be with our adva