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Silver & Black Pridecast Ep 15: With the 24th pick in the SB Nation blogger mock draft the Raiders select...

Silver & Black Pride

22:51 min | 1 year ago

Silver & Black Pridecast Ep 15: With the 24th pick in the SB Nation blogger mock draft the Raiders select...

"And we're back with the silver and black pride cast with the next pick in our SP nation blogger mock draft at pick twenty four and with the twenty four th pick in the twenty nine thousand nine NFL blogger mock draft the raiders select tight end Noah Fant out of Iowa. That's that's what I'm going with. And that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. No, no, Fant widely considered. At least absolutely the second best tied in in this draft behind his teammate TJ Hopkinson and him being available twenty four you get a guy who can perfectly replace what Jared cook brought to the team not to say that it's just like instantaneously is going to be a plug and play situation. But he has he has similar skill set to what Jared cook had he's he's highly athlete. Pretis Bradley a lot of ways like Thai he's a wide receiver in a tight ends body. And and they fill a major need the the major need that they didn't have going in the offseason when the head jerk opened up when when cook left sign with the saints and build replace him with a young guy like this is a pretty good thing. Pretty is important that they are able to fill this need with one of these top tight ends in a draft. That's got some pretty good tight ends at the top of it. So Tyler here with me as usual to give his take on the selection of no fan at the twenty four thick what do you think in Tyler? I really like it. I think fan is definitely I agree with you that he's the second best tight on the draft. And that's only because TJ Hawkins San who's an equal athlete to fan is probably the best blocker in the draft outside of some of the top offensive tackles. He's just such a such a great locker when you have to run outside runs to the outside. And just get the edge Hopkinton. We'll be there to just seal that off and and get those holes for the for the running backs fan. Does that too does not quite as effectively Hopkinson Stanton? Runs a four or five fan of six foot four inches tall two hundred and forty nine pounds. He's just an absolute physical specimen. I mean, he's he's an all American outta high school wind high school, Nebraska Joe's, Iowa, but in high school, he ran track. He did triple jump and hurdles. Long jump. He's he's just a a fantastic athlete. He's exactly the kind of guy that would open up the offense for the raiders and give just one more weapon to Derek Carr with all the wide receivers that we signed you still need that tight end to to sit down in the zone over the middle and make people respect the the middle passing game. So I'm a big fan of this. Honestly. Well, thank you. I'm glad I'm glad you approve. You know, it occurred to me like well, the raiders have picked just a couple spots Slater could could could you wait on taking fat? But there's really no reason to to do that to risk that with his as as talented as he is and as much of a need as it is for the raiders to bring a tight end here. There's no need to take that risk. When you're looking at the board at the way, the the the blogger mock draft was was shaping up Hopkinson gone a little ways before that. And that's pretty much a widely expected that hockey will be long gone for the raiders pick. And and honestly in the offseason, even when they had Jared cook, I thought that had they held onto cook taking Hopkinson would have been ideal complementary piece to cook. But with cook gone a think Fant is a better pick in that he replaced. I mentioned before that. Replaces that skill set. They lost in Jared cook. So it's better pick in that regard. And they just look at look at their raw numbers, and they have fairly similar numbers when it comes to receiving whatnot. But TJ Hopkinson is a better blocker. That's why he would make twice the more complete tight end. But he had nine touchdowns and no offense had twice as many in the last two seasons. He had eighteen touchdowns the last two seasons. So you definitely get that red zone threat. And that, you know, the threat to stress to field to be completely honest in in in fan. And on the in the blogger mock draft there were all the top pass rushers were gone as again, one of those things that you're seeing time and time again that by the time the twenty four th pick comes around this all these top Edrich shows just aren't there on the board. That's just kind of what's to be expected in this draft that they're not say there aren't any address still to be had. But you're not like looking at the board. And you're like it would be ill advised to reach at this point. Because you're in another group another tier of address kind of a group that probably going to probably still gonna be around when you get to thirty five. Most of them have not all of them may be around there. And I hate to I hate to wait on the raiders top need, and, you know, of course, in these blogger mock drafts, you can't use no trading involved, which I think it's well kind of expect listened to Mike Mayock the way he was talking this this in the Predrag press conference. It becomes pretty obvious that the raiders have every intention of listening to offers and moving around the draft board. And so a lot of these mock drafts are gonna be kind of obsolete with all the trades. That are expected at the raiders gonna move as necessary. They have four pieces there in the in the top thirty five they're gonna move around to get that address. You're most likely, but as we're looking at the draft board right now the top two players were defensive tackles. And with the first pick that the raiders had four we took linen Williams, which is also a luxury pick because they had they brought him PJ hall MAURICE Hurst last year. So that now that with Quinn Williams on board in this scenario? The have a just a glut of of interior pass rushers. And so you're not gonna go with one of those guys you're going to go with a you're gonna go with Fant did you see any other guys on the board that might have given you some, you know? Major stroke your channel a little bit about the raiders having a difficult decision. Will they were number of wide receivers that were on the board in this draft? And most likely will still be on the board at dick pic twenty four that I really liked but the raiders have paid so much attention to the wide receiver position free agency signing saying literally four new guys. And I don't think they're going to go in that direction early on the draft. And frankly, if you wanna pass catcher nor fan is about as good as you're gonna find this draft. He averaged thirteen point three yards per catch, which is absurd for tight end, especially when you buying is that with his affective this and the red zone. I mean, we obviously defenses could not pay as much attention to fan with Hawkins done on on the other side running running, you know, a mirror route with him. You have to double Hopkinson because he's so good in traffic and has such great hand fit. Doesn't have quite the hands at Hopkinson does and you can jam him and get him up his route and his running not as Chris. Talk insane. But he's he's every bit the athletes Hawkins it is. And he knows how to get open. And he knows how highpoint a ball and he's just incredibly dangerous. So I I really think fan is a fine pick your honestly. Well, I would say that as far as the hands are concerned. If you look at the numbers, the pro football focus said that he had eleven drops in eighty catchable targets, which is a lot. So Hodgson might have more reliable hands based on those numbers. But from what I saw at least a, you know, delete just just watching the combine saw what they did in workouts fantasy a much smoother natural catcher. Like, he's just more comfortable, and you have to think that maybe some of those drops were concentration dra- drops. And and it's definitely something you can you can improve on. I don't think he's on these a raw receiver. He just you know has his lapses in with. Put some work in you, can you can kinda clean up those issues, if if you work at what I look at it here is really filling atop need. It's a it's a merger. Right. It's a it's a merger of best player available and need and the best player at at a given position. He's obviously we were talking about hawks in being the best at a position. But he's the second best in there have been at times this season where fan was considered by some to be a better prospect. I think they're very different prospects, and they have. But there's no I don't think there's anybody argues that those two guys are absolutely first round talents. And they both are the top of their class at the position and to be able to get somebody who's at the top of his class at his position and his assure fire first round talent by most people's measure by all the ones I've seen at the. Twenty four th pick is is great value and fills a fills a great need that the raiders had. If you if you consider TJ Hawkins it as a top twelve pick. Then you can't look at no fan of twenty four and see that's not a steel. I think Fanta the prospect compares favorably to the Vernon Davis when he was coming out of Maryland or or Antonio gates coming out of college basketball player. No faint played basketball to no fan was a fantastic basketball player in high school. No fan is is a truck star. He's absolutely. That's the primitive athlete that you need on the outside, especially when when the raiders are you wanna get past happy, which they could with all the weapons that they have no fan is exactly. The kind of guy you want to open up your passing game. And that's what I would go back to what they had and cook a lot of people like to say, well, the only reason that Jared cook was the number one receiver on this team is because they had a lack of other options that he was like the only real threats that they have. And you could you could say that. But I don't think that. That's the whole that's anywhere near the whole story because we're talking about John gruden's offense here, we're talking about, you know, a guy who loves tight ends or also talking about Derek Carr who needs those security blankets. You can go into do a season with some of the the like the rubbish tight end situations. The raiders had a few years ago. He needs to be able to have somebody to check the ball down to or who can run those underneath routes and just the he always knows is there. Sometimes he's going to be as I read. But if he's not as I really knows, okay. I can always depend on. I can depend on Jared cook or or Noah fan when it when he if you were to join the offense, I can depend on the tight end being there as a as a Goto or when other things break down. So I think it's really important. And we've it shown that it's important. It's important to Jon Gruden at has portent to. To their car. So it's it's an important position much more important than I see a lot of these these drafts that have Josh shakeups going at the spot, and I just don't see running back first of all being so important that you would take it at twenty four overall. And I don't see it. I don't see Josh Jacobs is being such a must have that you would neglect other needs that are harder fill and other positions that are stronger in this draft to draft. Josh of that point. It's not like he's he's not saquon Barkley is not dick you'll Elliott or anything like that. If he were obviously he'd go higher in the draft. But I would say this draft looks rather overall. It's not a strong draft for running back. So even if you see in these drafts talking about like Mel kiper and Todd mcshay, I think they both had Josh Schick going to the raiders, and they're and they're talking. About like to be able to get the best running back in the draft. That's a win. Well, not really not. If you're if you're only if you're grading on a curve, if you're judging based on the class as if you're judging. Overall on the on the classy, judge it by previous classes in it. You you probably find out that in other classes Jacobs would not be the top back in in this class. And quite frankly, he doesn't really impress me. All that much on this lay. Some people might be like what isn't impress. You. What are you watching like? Well, I watched him. I honestly don't see what the it's not as not talented. I just don't see that. He's a must first round pick. I don't necessarily see that either. In fact, I think miles Sanders at Penn State might be the best running back in the draft. Instead of just Jacob. So I don't see Jacobs the need in the first round at all. And we were talking about like the fact that there is such uncertainty as to who's the best back in the in the draft and the variation in where these backs are are being predicted to go, I think that stunts the whole class. I think that that would suggest that. You could probably get a pretty good back in the even the third or fourth round readers. Don't have a pick in the third, but. They're gonna they're probably gonna try to get back in the third or maybe even more picks in the second. If they independent what trades they make. But. You can get back then. And right now, I think bringing Isaiah Crowell really helps bolster their overall group right now. I he become he comes in as a proven starter. If if nothing else, Mike Mayock, recently, he just said the other day in his press conference. He used the term prove it deal. He's in here on one year Provea deal. He said, so he clearly doesn't think that Crowell is the long-term answer or the workhorse back this team needs, but he can get the raiders by should they not get the guy that they want in draft. And I don't see we've got a switch gears to running back. But reaching that for running back to pick twenty four just because they haven't apparent need. There is I I think would be a mistake. Was mistake to richer inning Ernie position. But certainly running back. There's no there's no need for the raiders to reach in strapline. They have so many picks in the top thirty five. They can they can take EPA wherever they are wherever they end up trading up to or down to or or what have you have a guy that they target their who's best player. Available running back is probably not a knee in the first round there. If you look at a guy like Bryce love out of Stanford tours ACL last November probably going the fourth this six ramp. That's the guy you can wait on you have your running back of the future right there. Yeah. I've seen him kind of all over the place as well. Because that injury puts question Mark on him. And he was recently at the raiders local pro day, in fact, so he's trying to work his way back and showed that he deserves a a higher pick. And that that injury is something that's not going to hinder his career. But obviously there are other positions. You looking at as well that the re that it's not just that the raiders have a lot of picks is that they have a lot of needs. So you can always when you get to that point. You're like, okay. Let's let's do what what we do where you you say this what they need. This is on the board. And you find where they match up the best. And we got tied into this position. We got a couple there's a couple of picks between this pick and the raiders next pick twenty seven obviously defense would be a top priority. They have they have needs. They've needs all over kinda depend on what still on the board. Once they get to the twenty seven th pick. They could that could go with the go with a linebacker. If there's somebody worth it on the board. I don't necessarily see anybody after Devon white Devon Bush who are both gone on early anybody that that would be on the board swertz picking at twenty seven. They got a coup- there some cornerback on the border now under Baker. He could be a good pick got some safeties in there that could. Be good picks which kinda penned on what happens with these next to pick in between what the raiders take after this. What are you? What do you like in? It's on the board right now. I'm like, unlike in the safeties better there safety is really heavy in the strap and the raiders do need some safety help long-term just for for deaf than a guy who who can who can help in the nickel because the waiters do run that quite a bit. So I would definitely look for help in the defensive secondary with with pick twenty seven. Sale. What we got here. Who's who's coming up next after the raiders at twenty four? We have the eagles and the colts in the interim and coordin- to my board. I would say the top two players are both defensive tackles as not to say that. That's for sure what they would go with. But that's that's who's on the day got to Christian Wilkins. And Jeffrey Simmons are the top two players that are still up on the board since the raiders went with a defense attack with their first pick just like we said with the twenty four th pick one of them still on the board at can imagine. You don't wanna reach for knee. Just like you don't want to neglect need. Entirely for value. So yeah, it's a some of the guys that are on the right now to mention the Andre Baker to KAI polite with think probably gonna go lower than this after his pro day, work workout a seer Adderley. He's the top safety on on the board. I got here another defensive tackle index to warrant and then another safety in Taylor wrap. So on then court Josh Jacobs in their marquees Brown is another intriguing option to talking about wide receivers. They they need. I mean, they signed a lot arrived receiver. But I think they still the still probably be in the market for a slot receiver in the strap not sure how high they would they would take that player. Guess it would kinda depend on how much they like the guy where what's on the board and whatnot. But marquess Browns very intriguing option. They also need guard. And there are. A few guards in this draft that could be worth core taking as well. So. Well, that's I think that we've thoroughly covered that we're going to be back. From tomorrow. When the when we have the twenty seven th pick to do this again got anything else to add on the on this subject, the at this time Tyler, Nah, I think you've covered pretty thoroughly. And we'll just we'll get back in the in the saddle once we pick a twenty seven San tastic. All right. Well, thanks again for listening everybody, and I guess we'll see tomorrow with another episode of the silver and black pride cast. My name is Spencer hall by name is Jason Carter. My name is Ryan nanny week by we've form the shutdown full stride. Keep telling you this forecast is technically college football podcast. But it's also a show about care disaster regional grocery stores. We live Tennessee Batman homeowners associations bears in video games. Pittsburgh Batman, the hell of being trapped group, text unreliable legal advice. 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We Will We Will Mock You

"The meantime show featuring Lenny is presented by t so official watch of the NBA shop at US dot T. So shop dot com. No back to the meantime show, featuring Lenny the only NFL podcasts where the term anonymous scout probably refers to a friend that Lenny made at the dog park do people still name their dogs gout like a very traditional dog names. Somebody recently pointed out to me that people are now increasingly give their children's super old fashioned names, like Gerald or ama- Amazon fashion name, but then they give their dogs like human names from the nineties like Jennifer, I've never met a dog named Jennifer Dan, this feel like this would have been a good thing to bring up with Spencer Arcadian correspondent last week. And so last week, you guys know marked the advent of draft season and this week we're going to continue with our draft discussion and analysis we're going to get real deep in it. We're going to drop our very first. I mock draft. I am joined by two guests today at the end of the podcast special bonus interview with one of the draft prospects who might come up during our mock draft, he's a top prospect. You might remember him from the Asian shrine on high noon that public and I built if you watch that show. His name is Taylor rap safety at Washington's a really fun interview. But before we get to that at the very end, I am joined by actually like Spencer, another former correspondent from the morning, roast RIP good pal. Mine senior writer at ESPN who covers college football. So he knows these guys he's written stories about some of them. Welcome to the show. Joel anderson. Thanks meal. And I'm glad I can follow the the white correspondent expensive. Do you have any thoughts on the dog discussion? I didn't mean to exclude you from giving dogs inappropriate human names. I've never really owned own dogs. But I did have sort of, you know, co custody Schick custody of a dog when I was little and not named Dominic after Dominic Wilkins. And I think that's sort of a nineties. So I can see that. But that was actually in the nineties, so wait to tell FOX how did this not come up on the radio show that you had a dog named dominee as I said, I just realized that oh my God. All right. Would you think it would JOL would be on the pantheon of human names that would be hilarious for dogs? Jennifer, Dan, I think Joel meeting someone who my dog pretty would joy four dog. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Glenn was also another one that I like or me your dog like an initial name TJ, but just TJ like not even explaining what TJ stance, vers and other move. So we're going to do a mock draft this week, and we're going to skip the mail bag apologies to people who believe in questions or views keep leaving them. We're going to get to them at some point on my mega mail bag. But at the end, we will do Dixon dunks before moving on to interview with Taylor. But but I I wanna just kinda set the ground rules. Explain to people what we're doing with the mock draft because there's a lot of different ways to mock drafts, you can try to predict what would happen if I was doing that style of mock draft trying to you know. Keiper, big board. You see on ESPN dot com. I would probably have all four quarterbacks in the first round. Now, I do not think off quarterback should go in the first round. And that's the kind of draft you, and I are going to do it's going to be a draft of who teams should take not who we think they're going to take. So is that okay with you? It's fine. I mean, even as trying to I mean, isn't isn't a secret to tell people that we sort of went over this little bit. And I felt that he's in this country. I felt constrained a little bit. But it's fine. You can just get into it. Wow. Well, already preventing against the concert to the show. So to that end Jolie higher going to go back and forth. So that we are forced to kind of make adjustments. If a guy we like is off the board, and I'm picking for Tampa Bay and Joel take someone for Oakland. Who's right above them that I want for Tampa Bay have to calibrate we may have been a little bit free draft to bring alluded to big cities. The friction is not is not. But before we get to the mock I wanted to take a quick second to tell you guys about t-. So the official watch of the NBA each one of those time pieces delivers quality performance and traditional luxury this graduation season get the NBA fan in your life. A T so watch the tea so krono X L is a great watch for those looking for a sporty krona graph with Swiss technology at an unbeatable price shop now at US dot T, soc up dot com. You know, I could have really used a T so watch last week while I was in Denver, and I almost missed my plane because I forgot to make an adjustment for mountain mountain tiny such a scam. What a random time zone two. Everybody forgets about it's the best time. But it's also the one everyone forgets about this really inconsiderate. I think to those of us in the other good normal time zones is their own ah goes I on mountain time. Does my attempted a segue? I'm going to take Zona. I'm gonna go first. So that's the way we're going to do this. I'm going to go you go to I go three is that. Okay. Your logo. I absolutely okay. So we're I I am Steve who's very well. Dressed recently. Cub. I notice looking good these Steve, but really feels like I'm actually cliff Kingsbury because cliff kings pick, and I'm gonna take Murray and we're operating under the should construct and that does throw a little wretchedness like I'm taking very in part because I think they're going to take out, and I think they should take because they want because they think he's the better quarterback because cliff Kingsbury wants to build around him. And I think if you're an NFL team and you like a quarterback and you want to build around him take that quarterback, right? So I'm not sure I've talked way too much on this podcast. Josh rosen. So I'm going to skip over that. I think people are a little bit overly critical of him and unfair about it taking Maria number one dole to me, you know, you'd want to get proper value for Josh Rosen. I'm not sure. If that means you trade him now idea would be to get say Washington's pick at twelve or fifteen rather. But it's not clear if that's going to happen. I just want to ask you before we kinda talk about Cuyler. Like, would you? Hold onto Josh Rosen. Maybe into the preseason to try to get more value would even hold onto him for an entire year. Or do you think you want to get him out the door? So you can focus on Cuyler Zona. I think you wanna get rid of just like there's no friction. There's no confusion. You don't wanna go into camp with like that Robert Griffin cousins sort of situation even though they were both in the same draft. So I just kind of feel like you just don't want anybody looking over their shoulder. You don't want any bouts about which the actual direction of franchise here. Even I mean, they're legitimate questions about the direction of the franchise. You just don't want that over anybody paid. You don't want Kyle, you know, answering questions about Josh. So yeah, I look to get rid of Joshua soon as possible to problem, and it's not this is not a reflection of Kyla. I just and I know you said you talked about Josh lot. I just think Josh isn't as bad as everybody said, he wasn't in fact, if you'd asked me this question last year, I thought he was the best prospect going into the draft last year the best quarterback prospect really just giving us. Oh, yeah. I thought that like this in terms of fit in the NFL like, you know, people talk so much. About us intelligence. But I think they actually are like he has like really good football. He has a beautiful arm didn't work with a lot at UCLA. So was very productive and kept him in a lot of games. I just think that there's a lot there. Maybe it wasn't meant to work. But I don't know. We'll I'm not laughing at you take. I'm just laughing at the fact this podcast get sidetracked by praising Josh Rosen, literally defending him because censoring I had like a twenty minute digression last week defending him defending the situation in college defending his horrible situation last year and the world situation is my concern about taking Cuyler at not getting another first round pick or another high pick just because he is walking into a very bad situation team needs. Why the whole offensive line is a disaster. Haven't knows they could use Nick boasts or polished pass rusher. They need wide receivers. They could use a tight end. The cardinals have so many needs across the board. Which is why I think the Kyle thing isn't. Hundred percent obvious because men if they could get some sort of pick package or something this team has so much building to do. And I'm starting to talk myself out of it. So I'm not I'm just let's take. For number two. So I know it was posted do what the contract that is traffic I'm supposed to take Nick Bosa. But I'm not gonna take it. I'm gonna take it Oliver for the Cisco forty Niners. And it's because he is ridiculous. And I mean, you got sucked about this on the podcast last week. But we just go back to like two years ago when everybody realized Oliver is going to be the number one pick when it comes out that was always like foot of the consensus around this dude in all of a sudden, we get to the eve of the draft is like. I don't know. Maybe he's maybe he's not big enough. Maybe you know, we don't know. Exactly. What position he can play in the NFL? And I'm just like, dude. He's a grenade. He's rolling alive live grenade on the line of scrimmage every play. And I think both is fine. And I'm sure he's going to get drafted here can you picks or so, but I just think that Oliver is like the best player on the board and the forty Niners. They have the need the defensive line that can add him to the mix. They have like a pretty bad pass west last year. So I think the dollar for that and coming out here to the bay. And we welcome you as he Sonian. So you're insane. It should be Nick Bosa, but I love at all of her, and I get it. And by the way, so the Niners there is some complexity there in terms of their defensive line, and they've been trying to draft there for years and out of the guys they've taken divorce Buckner is star to me. Right on the inside there. And my feeling going into free agency was they really needed an outside pass rusher. But they did sign d Ford. So it's not beyond the pale that they would take another interior guy, especially one as talented as that Oliver. I would take Nick Bowes personally. But it's not it's not crazy. The thing is too with Oliver is that he's he's versatile. I've seen somebody drafts and like draft breakdowns and say what hey if it doesn't work out. Maybe he can move to inside linebacker, whatever. And I'm just like, well, I mean, if he can potentially do that like why can't he play it all the positions on the defensive line? All right. So I'm Mike McCann. I'm in the jets breath room, and I just saw tonight or stick at all. And I'm crying tears of joy, and we're high fiving because we make those humane. So. We spent a lot of time talking about Nick Botha on this podcast. And how unfortunately is best comp is brother and feels lazy. But it's true. He I guess Joe is a little bit more athletic perhaps. He's bigger, right. But but Nick, I think is faster and high floor guy. Plug and play has all the moves and the jets need a pass rusher. So we are delighted in the middle wherever. My floor. Most feeling I mean, this if it isn't it was Nick Jackson or Nick Johnson or Nick, Bella czar, like would still think that he would be regarded to I think he would still be considered a top pick. Yeah. I'm not as impressed with Nick both everybody'll. I love it. I could be wrong on this. But I'm just I feel like if you had a different last name, then we wouldn't be like, oh, well, you definitely going to dollars should go all of it. Which is why GM the forty Niners took him. I. Let's move on. Because we've talked a lot about NATO's. I'm gonna get guys. We haven't talked about who will the raiders who should the raiders take it for. Why wouldn't they take Josh Allen? I mean, so you got Mike Mayock? You know, putting his imprint on the draft hair taking a guy like Josh Allen, the good sauce alad, or if I like to call them the black sauce, Alan, he's you know, got everything. Yup. Yup. I know that you left him that you know, he does everything he can drop into coverage. He's good pass rush. She's hold up. We well the room. He ran four six three six four to sixty. I mean, you know, he'd been I twenty five twenty times, he's a great athletes the production. Is there the progress there, you know, being the top offender SEC the raiders ship? So lucky that he was very little to them. Number four. He is a delight. Okay. And to me, Josh Allen. He's talked a little bit Nick Bosa, and you said, hi flora, potentially low ceiling, don't, that's your words. Not my Josh Allen. The ceiling is Mars to me. I mean, the question to me is how is he going to be used? What system because that will go a long way in determining what his NFL career looks like because you're right. He he's a guy who can do so many things like these drafted by team with a four three who just wants to use him as a pure defensive end pass rusher. He can do that. Right. But he can also I think I mean, we think last week we talked about how he could play every position you could also really see him in a three four because his coverage. Skills are phenomenal. His run defense is like a little iffy. I think it's gotten better as he's learned how to play the position, but he started he's a late bloomer. I think played wide receiver in call high school. Right. So go back to the ceiling thing. He's so much to learn in terms of moves and his upside to me is through the roof. And I love it. Obviously the raiders they need to pass rusher. So that makes sense. Slash historically, terrible. I mean they finished last in the league and sex and third they have thirteen and the giants who were second the last thirty Josh Allen. Like if you want to make up for that loss that huge gaping loss of Khalil Mack. Like, Josh Allen is a good place. So I'm the GM the bucks. I'm delighted to still have a job. It's americal. And I'm also delighted because the best player available is Quinton Williams right here. And like we've talked about him. Also in this podcast Ebi. He's he's just awesome. But I don't wanna use plug and play stop using plug play because the rest guys are plug and play mostly. Just works. It. He literally is plug and play guy. Right. He is an AFL player. Already to me. The bucks are interesting Joel because they went in they invested a lot in their defensive line last year. You remember they added j p p. Alan Vinny curry the drafted via but they still had a terrible. I mean, they're injuries all year defense, but they were horrible run defense. Very little pass rush. They brought in tumbles. So it was gonna be some changes on the defensive line. My feeling is just if for a rebuilding team when they're not they probably don't think of themselves rebuilding team. But team that has as many holes as they do as struggled as much did on defense. You take the best guy available, and and we've talked about Clinton and how good he is in. How polished he already is. So I just think that's a no brainer there. Oh. Oh, get really lucky because in any other year Clinton Williams could be the number one pick, right? You can be the number to fifty depending on where to so a quick decide. I think I've mentioned this to you today that I think Quinton Williams agent on followed me on Twitter. You know, maybe a coup- about a month ago because I made a comment about him. And just like the explain it because I wasn't offending him. I just said now doesn't look like he has the face of stock. Okay. Like, he doesn't have a look you look at him in the face. And it doesn't I read like big intimidating player. He doesn't look when I was growing up. We used to call like big dudes just kinda look, you know, whenever we call it a dukes and quickly kind of have like a face. And it doesn't mean that he's not going to be great that he's not also, and you know, the while, but should be really have said that. And then I realized that she wasn't following me. And I'll know things are connected, but I would like to polish is even though I stand by the fact that you have to do for the face. So he has very sweet kind of teddy bear face. I would be. Termite us. And it doesn't help that in the first picture. I pulled up he has braces that really throws me off. But you only reminds me Claes Campbell has a face like that dole plays Cambodia. He wasn't immediately came into the way that he got to career, right? And that that can happen to Quinto quitting means young too. I think was twenty one years old baby. Just turned twenty one. So yeah, maybe he's still growing into his face. But it just seems very young. You've got the next pick Gettleman. A do. I'm I'm David gentleman and people tried to trade, you know, the sandwich bag of doughnuts. And you know, turned all that down. And I know that people think that I should take Dwayne half gives here. Right. Like that's seen a lot of mock drafts that say, hey, well, you know, allow manning a terrible Armitt. He's scared now, he's old and terrible. And he's worse than cover minute. But I guess they should like we building or not I think they are. But I also don't think that have gains is do you want to build around quite so I'm gonna take months sweat at the number six pick when the giants. Has been great. They've had great pass rush. They've had you know, these great defensive end PP's straight hand, you know, you know, they've they've had like these great defensive lines in the past. And I think that this is sort of in keeping with that your dishes, even though that's sort of dumb. But I still think like other giants six great. They have great defensive linemen. And you know, he's he's got all the tools like you're talking about a six foot six two hundred sixty pound guy who ran a four four Flint. And I mean, that's absurd. But I mean, it's like hard to like, I can't believe they're making football players like that. Now, you know what I mean like didn't even seem real. And so I'm just like why not why not try this guy? Why not try, you know, this really athletic tie-sealing most floor like Montesquieu it? I agree characterization of him. He to me is sort of the beginning of that tier below Allen Bosa when the guys, you know, there's to me of very clear top tier? That we've gone through all of them. And then now you're getting into the Montas, sweat, Brian Burke. I think Montas what is definitely the best next best pass rusher available. He shredded the combine you alluded to that. But he he's not just a workout dude his production at Mississippi State was good enough. So that you shouldn't feel worried that you're just taking a raw athlete. I think he could still work on some of his moves. But I agree. He has very high ceiling and giants ABC just. So many needs. It's kind of hard to know where to begin in. I like the idea of not taking a quarterback. I mean, this kind of this is much beer discussion. Windy, take the quarterback. It's not just about like where you like the quarterback. And I realize I'm kind of undermining what I said earlier about taking a few him. But you don't want a quarter about walking into the situation in New York. And obviously they really love Haskins. He probably wouldn't start. But to me. This is undeniably a rebuilding team. That's going to be very very bad next year. So taking the best skiable makes a lot of sense. So Jaguars are not a rebuilding team. At least not they don't view themselves that way, I don't feel that way they paid a ton for foles this year. There's some holes defense after guys of left. There's they could really use a good pass catcher few pass catchers for full. But given where they're picking who's available and given their issues up front. I'm gonna go offense of line and take John Williams, and I'm not gonna plug and play. Again. But he's the most pro ready of the offense lineman. I really the only true negative. I've seen is the size thing the length of his arms. I guess. T Rex arms, which is there like a half an inch shorter than the prototype or something stupid like that. And like there's so he's arms are under thirty four inches. So were Dotan arms. So we're Joe Staley's arms like they get. I just don't. Watch the tape. He's just of the various tackles. And this is not a great tackle draft. He already looks like a veteran to me both in past pro in his run blocking incredible. He really lays dudes out. So I think he's a day one starter. The thing about Alabama turns out a lot obviously a lot of draft prospects every year, a one thing that gets overlooked is like they tend to turn out pretty solid offensive line prospects. You know, they haven't really had eight bust that that's the camera. It's been okay. Andre Smith despite people making fun of him for running shirtless at one ended up being pretty good NFL liming. So I just think that like given that given pedigree giving Jacksonville's me I think this was the smart play right here. All right. The lions. Where would you go? I got a lot of need because the line. But I'm gonna go into white the linebacker out a few who we last crying at the NFL comeback because he ran a four four two of. He's amazing. He's a great athlete. I saw him play a lot this year. He's got a lot of poppies really violent. And the thing about him that Matt Patricia probably would like, then he's still learning the position he was running back coming out of high school shut up to north Webster parish in northern Louisiana. He was running back of high school. So you only played linebacker for few years. You've got a lot more going game. But you've got this physical specimen who as violent has fairly decent instincts. He still me. But those are the sort of thing you gotta learn with reps. Right. And something like that. He's a pretty good. If phone that's her in Detroit plan for that coach. This seems like a good fit for Detroit right now. So the Devon's Deadlight and Devin Bush. Yeah, I've been hearing all it's been all across the board as to who will go. I I to have. Slight preference for Deb and white. It might just be the horse thing. But I I love the way. He I think they're both really good. And also really modern, you know, like, it's sort of like the roquan Smith pick last year, Chicago like to have a linebacker who can keep up with running backs who can drop into coverage you can fly across the field who can sniff out play action is so valuable in today's NFL and white to me the dynasty fences a ways to go. And he's the guy you you build around. I do love that pick. Okay. So Buffalo's next and this an interesting one because there's a I praised their free agency. Earlier liked what they did. I was thinking about taking an offense of linemen here, which was a huge issue last year. But they did add on the offensive line. We talked about that during free agency. They added John Brown, called Beasley some pass catchers for Josh. And I still think they need to both to that area. But I am going to go edge rusher, I'm gonna go, and this might be a little rich for some people's blood. I'm gonna go Brian burns here. Oh, I'm sure he's a fine young man, but two hundred and thirty five pounds, man. But you know, hey. You know seen? He's little so don't. Who's who's the last guy? That's been successful restaurant pass it. That's how is he bigger than Leonard Floyd or smaller than later Floyd. Not that letter for business. Great success. But. So Brian burns. Yeah. He's very small and that's going to be the the rap on him. He's a pass rusher out of FSU. And he was he put up excellent numbers at the combine. But he didn't play like his size to me. If that makes sense, I realize his frame is he's got a bulk up, but he wins in all positions. He went inside outside. He plays with so much explosion and power. He's not just he's going to be labeled as just a speed guy. And I really don't think he's just speak guy and a really think. He could still had some moves to his repertoire, but I really think he has a much higher ceiling than any of the other addresses left Arkansas either they've got a guy who's sort of not quite model because Jerry was built differently. But like, he's not, you know, the typical, you know, six foot five two hundred sixty five pound defensive end that you'd want position and they meant hassle success with them. So I can see the looking at Brian bars and be like, oh, we can make this work and he's any fast. He's got he's got production. We can make this work. All right. Who's Denver taking? So I'm John Elway here. I with mother take a quarterback having. That's that's you know, that's what I just like to compile evac, but men out got Joe flacco. Now, we're set, you know with. I mean, he's best football is a head of accounting. So I gotta give somebody throats to and I'm gonna probably take TJ Hopkinson. Well, not probably I'm going to TV Hopkinson. We're gonna miss them to Denver and mountain time zone. So. Yeah. That's a pretty good record producing NFL tight end. Dallas Clark and San Francisco just got George channel. You know? They've got a pretty good record producing titans here that got two of them this year. He's no offense. We might hear his name later in this mock draft, and so yet, and you crazy athlete man by British jumped thirty seven and a half. Yeah. He's a dude. So yeah. Like, you know, at the C flacco, you know, getting really attached to teach Hopkinson sock loves his tight ends. So with the drew lock is available at ten. Somebody's gonna have to throw a body in front of John Elway to stop him. I think I love this. Pick hawkins. Hawkins is phenomenal. He does it all. That's just my takeaway. It's the dumbest note, but he he can already do everything you want a tight end to do. I mean, he's not he's not like a perfect runner yet. But he's got pretty soft hands catch radius is there. Sure, he played basketball. I'm just going to say that without even looking it up. He played basketball. The do. It's not feels right TJ do can block. I mean, honestly leg I'm not going to do a gronk cop because that's insane. In the same way that Aaron Donald comps are forbidden on this podcast gronk comes forbidden. But his upside as a blocker. I think is gronk which is the grunk is the best blocking tight in NFL history. So it's crazy. The tight ends in this after better than the receivers. We'll see if we how many receivers if any go in the first round, but I'm with you. I'm with you on hawk all, right? I'm gonna I'm gonna move quickly this because I think you're gonna have some feelings about it. So I'm the Bengals of Mary building team. Always dad sad place. I'm gonna take Skains here. I'm gonna do it. It's time. I'm like for. Okay. I quarterback they need to take a quarterback. I think and you could they could wait until next year. It's going to get pretty competitive. I agreed a better class the more. I watch Dwayne Hoskin. So I didn't love in college. The more. I like like about him Warren sharp front of the show put up statistics for the top four quarterbacks against good defenses the best past defenses and the worst and the delta for in Jones was enormous versus how they played very poorly against good pass defenses. Dwayne was not okay. Neither was Cuyler by the way, but Tyler equable or whatever. I to me just I know you don't want to just watch the Michigan game was incredible in the Michigan game. But we watching that. I was just blown away by how comfortable he was moving around the pocket negating his feel for pressure is ability to go through his reads. Now, it's not the most complicated offense, Ohio State. Right. But he executed it really. Well. And I just think he is the again web small sample size with him. But to me he is a prototypical pocket passer, you can build her. I think that's kind of what the Bengals wanna do. First of all, you know, less pay respect Andy belt TCU along. I hate you wanna move on so already like this. But you're saying it's already already. Yeah. I mean, just things like, you know. Small football input. That's on do. I I mean he had a great season. I mean, the thing I just I don't know what I'm holding against him. Maybe it's because mainly the same thing like with kala Murray. Like, we only saw and a year we never, you know, be get a second crack in college. Right. And so maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's sort of. Like my skepticism about it. Because the numbers are ridiculous. He was surrounded by talent. But he also made them. Yes. He he makes veteran shaky Barrett. Like when he took over for J T Barrett. Dickey bear was a great college quarterback. They still looked better under the weight hasta. So he's like, he's a difference maker. He wasn't difference maker college. I'm just a little bit skeptical. But I mean, I, you know at this point in the draft for the the second quarterback prospect. This was pretty good value. And yeah, like why not also the dude looks like meek mill the face places. Here facial analysis we need to bring you on the draft show. Oh to like a little hard ram of you like the to puck election to pop up an analyze every who's got the best face in the first round. Oh, really which looking for right? Like are we talking about like the guy that looks like football player we talking like, Alex Hanson, dude, looks like people would be around it 'cause much sweat isn't good looking guy. Right. Let's get him. And I'm like, oh, he would have been in the nineties RV video. Okay. But if you're looking for somebody that looks intimidating, and this is sorta town into I don't know people will agree with this with the whole package at Oliver. He looks like overgrown, Mike Tyson. Not like look like a, you know like he looks exactly like my. But like his framed the way his body is built keep this looks like they're huge like a heavyweight bucks. And so when I look at all of my type of not not like like, I said, it's not a perfect comparison terms of face, but just like the overall five, but you know, best looking to go, my sweat. We already know what I think about quitting his Green Bay taking at twelve the second Devon. Let's look at the second death and the plays back off board Devin Bush, I've been into sorta underside, you know, five eleven to thirty four, but he was at the center that defensive Michigan which was great until they played Ohio State. I'm sure people will probably use some of that film to knock it, right? And and and Tanakh that defends the whole, but I think Devon, but he tested. Well, he was productive for all the years. He was there. He's got pedigree his dad played and Green Bay needs help at that position. Now, if this was any other year and there were like receivers and titans that I thought were worth helping Aaron Rodgers out. I would prefer to do something like that. Because I think Aaron Rodgers eve a lot of health. I just don't see that here and not for values. So that's where I'm going with Devon to like him. I like going defense, although we I think the Packers have aids set wide receiver potentially tight end, and they will get to those needs later but in. In terms of positional value. We've talked about the wide receivers irt not really up here, and they did add Preston Smith, but they've got guys in contract years at the linebacker position. Blake Martinez who's been solid. Kyle girl broke out last year. Cow sacral, they started calling him don't really caught on over the nation. Cuyler background. I. Sorry. But yeah, I I like Devon I like him a lot. I think again to go back to the reasons why the other Devon he shares a lot of those characteristics in terms of speed and coverage ability, and it makes a lot of sense for me are I'm the next team a Miami. Miami's team needs are everything. Or Miami's is not delusional. I'm really excited for you. Get angry about the Miami is not delusional about. What they are. They are fully aware that they are rebuilding team. Or at least I really want them to be fully aware that they're rebuilding team. It seemed like they're fully their behavior indicates to me that they are aware of their rebuilding nature. So there's not going to be any no quarterback nonsense for Miami. So I think they should take a defensive player who they can build around centerpiece leader, I'm gonna go Christian Wilkins here. Or what I mean? Yeah. Man tests, I could see the fans in south beach, and you know, KENDALL and wherever else all the people on. I'm sure they're really excited about defensive tackle good job. I'm excited. I'm excited by every fan base like Christian Wilkins. He's fine. Ceiling again is the question athletism, but he is an NFL player. And I'm not gonna fight with you who you taking fourteen. I am going to fake another Clinton defensive linemen who I'm not that excited about. But whatever we gotta fill these a lot Clinton Farrell. Right. I mean, they wasn't NASA. San Francisco from they like destroyed Alabama. I'm not excited about you know, what was the best offensive line, and you know, college football history one of them anyway. But yeah, Cleveland Farrell, they need help it entrance. You. I mean, Vic Beasley do great last year and talk McKinley still hasn't quite come on yet. And he think in coined with what somebody here to shore past Cleal. Good size productive national champion. You know, played a system where you know, they produce NFL defensive lineman. So it isn't the wrong pick. I'm just not excited about it. But that's fine. It's another one where I think I worked so much with the Clemson guys that I'm just lumping them together and saying they're very pro ready, but let us his like. Exciting. I've already that. It's because we talked about this last week that there's a warriors thing going on where because they believe together they're kind of getting together. And but that really is true with him. What I said earlier about kind of the athleticism being the question Mark because the technique is there the hands or their footwork. Is there the run defenses there and in Atlanta? Does neat have needed that position. So I'm gonna take a guy next for Washington. Who's? Kind of opposite in some ways in my opinion. I don't. Which I think is fair. And that's another pass rusher. I'm gonna take Rashawn Gerry here who is just pure athleticism. And he's on by numbers are bonkers, but just didn't have the production at Michigan. And so he's there's a big question. Mark there the Washington needs suppose lot of teams need pass rushers which has worked out well with this draft. But the ceiling is very high there, you know, he so so strong so explosive. The question is whether that can translate into solid fell play. Another one of those guys that I just I'm always sort of skeptical undo haven't quite done it. But they're like, oh, he's gonna put it all together. And I'm like, you know, do he's gonna have to put it together in the NFL. You know wherever. The only time I can remember somebody in that position ever doing it with their say, well, you know, he's got all the tools and produced that well, and he, you know, ended up becoming, you know, something closest done tire PO like I like like, okay like it turned up. But most of those guys they never become that guy. So that's why I'm sort of skeptical, but I do agree with you that like like why not like he could be he could be that guy. He could become Hercules, you know, what I mean? Like, he's he's got all the he looks like he should be NFL. So like wanna? Before we get to the second half of the first round. I wanna take a second remind you guys about ZipRecruiter. Hiring is challenging. But there is one place in go where it's simple fast smart place, where growing businesses can connect to qualified candidates. That place is dip recruiter dot com slash Meena. If you post your job there, it will send it to over a hundred of the web's leading job boards, but doesn't stop. There has powerful matching technology that dip recruiter uses to scam. Thousands of resumes. If I people with the right experience invites him to apply to your job. Basically, you're gonna save time. 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I wanna Reese down in the game Ville and get John Taylor officer tackle out of university of Florida. He's got a lot of potential. There's a lot of growth in him. He's you know, you know, kinda got you know, he's he's he's got technique to work on right? Like, he's not prison. There's a lot of growth, but like I feel like with office of lime. That's okay. That's the crafts that. Don't learn. I also this is also that way about the with office a lot I feel like he can learn that NFL while you know, he he's got the right size. He's got all the tools this needs to put that together. And. I think Cam camping you somebody that can protect him given the last few years for him. Yeah. I mean, I he has it. All right like at Atlantic measurements there and an employer he faced serious competition real pass kinda like Jonas. So he he's battle tested. Sometimes there's footwork issues ham placement tide level stuff like that. But he to me can start day one probably at seventeen we're back to New York. So we took sweat. I'm still not gonna go quarterback. Even though there's room for set. They're gonna take Daniel Jones here. But I'm Gettleman now, and I have inspected by brain into his in. I am going to stop him from doing that. I'm gonna I'm gonna so like I said earlier a lot of holes on the defense east. They can use. They could've used on Taylor frankly, a wide receiver. But I'm gonna go cornerback which is another area of need for them. Obviously. The Jenkins contract has not been great. And we'll come to an end at some point in the position up. Opposite him should be open to I'm gonna take Byron Murphy out of Washington. No, no. Wasn't this other? You follow them. I mean, they turn out a lot back prospects every year, and I'm just like which one of them has really hit. And then if oh, yes. So far, you know. You know? Bauer. Murphy, ma'am, you remember shot. You know, he is five eleven hundred ninety pounds not free. But he can play the position. I just this might be my huskies by it. Like there's three there's about three quarterbacks who could potentially all go in the first two rounds. I think I just think key already has the ability to cover in the NFL. I like it's not about his speed is fine. It's fine. But it's it's more about his technique and his boss kills for me. I just think he's not going to get Bert. He's not going to embarrass you. And I think his upside is I don't wanna say like Pro Bowl NFL corner. But it's definitely long. We'll tell your started for me. So I'm gonna take. I'm not apologizing for that. Okay. Who's minnesota? All right. So yeah, I'm with the Minnesota Vikings now, and we're eighteen take. So somebody's not open things up for presidents down. There. We need. They need a little bit of help on the offense of line the sort of sin there. And so I'm gonna take Cody Ford out of Oklahoma. This been you know, unformed mass of human who we can just shake into a potential pro bowler someday. Maybe right. Like, he he's really raw got a lot of you know, athletic traits. That info seems love. But like I again like with lime is you can do that you can mold them into something. The Vikings have a need here pretty decent value too. So. Yeah. Yes. If the Vikings don't go offense of line. The fan base will probably revolt whatever revolting. That. Just like leaving some Minnesota slightly angry comments. But yeah, I love Corey Ford. So that's why I said, yes, I don't remember. But my only question for him as are you gonna play at tackler move inside. And so it'll be depend on the team that takes him. I guess. I am. Really, he's not like a Mahler true bully, but he he definitely has the size and athleticism despite his size. I think to to block on the inside. He can pass pro. I think he could play right? Tackle in the NFL as well. They they gotta go line. So that's no question. We all right. I'm the titans also have like a shocking amount at needs. When I was looking at their roster. Well, well. This podcast. Never come down. Time we love tighten up around. We love tighten up. So I appreciate it. Well, they can tighten up at the titan. No that didn't work. Well, I'm just gonna. So. Taking receivers, you know, some of their pigs haven't really panned out and indicates Thirdly they've had some losses on defense, especially in that front seven. I feel like they could go there too. But I really liked idea of taking Noah fan here. Who's the second Iowa tight end, and it's a little bit high for him possibly, but he to me has more upside than most of the receiver prospects and titans Delaney walkers like eighty two now, we love the lady. I if this is their whole like we're gonna see what Mario can do season. They got make decision on him. I think having a guy like Fant who is not as all around as Hopkinson. I think people are concerned because Hopkinson ended up taking a lot of his reps last or taking a lot of catches actually targets rather? I think still he's upside his vertical ability. Can run all the routes his catch radius getting guests? He played basketball to make him a good a worthy first round pick. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's got like all all of them in schools that he's probably, you know, Parkinson's three fan might be more of a physical. Upside is greater. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. So I mean, I mean the titans needs of moose and things up actually a little bit like forgive, you know, give open the filled up a little bit from area to sock. Ac- him like stretching the filled down the middle of the field. So yeah. Like, I mean, like you said we people fake gonna Marcus mariota. This kind of could help get some sense for like, okay. What does he do what we have like a dynamic weapon? All right who's taking. So I don't wanna be Tweety. But I'm going to take. That was terrible. I tried something that didn't work I'm gonna greedy Williams. I mean, really the see was colonic didn't really just clean out everything. But. Let's try let's get greedy Williams that you know, their coverage was a mess last year. And you know, going to last year he's on the wrong side of thirty. Artie burns is not dependable Greenway as long. He's six foot two. He's fairly fluid which is you know, you wouldn't expect that for corner that size, and you'd think that a little bit more stiff degrees like has good fluid in hips, which is a weird thing to say. But that's what we know about him. So yeah, I think he's a good fit here. And especially pretty good value to I was talking about value. But like sometimes it's not just you get where you get them and greedy way that a lot of people in the air had somewhere around that top ten thing. So to get him. I think it's a pretty good thing. There are people who have him oct- Byron to me. He's more boomer bust, right? Like Barbara safer pick at cornerback. And but you're right zaps elite area need for them already burns. They'd like benched. Remember last year? The whole secondary. Like, I kind of was eyeballing Jonathan Abram here. But I I don't mind, greedy. Either. I think that whole secondary is where I would go first in Pittsburgh, but I like the pick. So the Seahawks are next my beloved. Emotion tied up. Yeah. Do not look up calms reaction to the rush. The the penny pick last year. But the reality is definitely gonna trade down because they have like one draft Ford raffish next year, and they love to John there is nothing. John Schneider loves more in this world than trading down. But I'm gonna let them pick someone trade down is lame for a mock draft. So there's a few ways I mean, obviously offensive line is always always in need. And Andre Dillard is tempting not clear got less. I locked out doing Brown. It's not clear. What's going to happen with Germaine Effendi also guard? Tight end is something being thrown around. We don't know what deals with dizzy was there. Tom pig last year. But I'm gonna go cornerback again here and run a quarter. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. You know that? Rocky acid outta temple. He was kind of late bloomer. He trains LTd up to temple. I mean to be honest. I mean like. Temple the only only quarterback in in the nation targeted. Fifty or more times did not allow reception of twenty plus yards is my rock. Yes. In fact, five eleven one ninety two so, you know, the story of taken taller Bax, and maybe gone more fresh lettuce. And but I don't know I think shack Rufin was really up and down last year the other side, I think should be open to competition. So I'll go all right Baltimore. Twenty two more whole chase for the extra like have you seen this do shirtless? And so I'm taking came back cast wide receiver ole miss that dude's clang bang. You know what I mean? He's just like, you know, I mean, he is the dude in the weight room with this, you know, juggle water, and, you know, his creation college that everything else. So yeah, I mean the thing is that. Okay. So you've decided Lamar actually as your quarterback. And people are divided on the future of Amar's accent? But the thing about him is that you need to give up some receiving options. They don't have a very receiving core in Baltimore and do run block. You know what I mean? You know, I mean wide receiver so into the league beliefs. You got somebody out there that you got him covered. You know, he's he's blocking dude. So yeah, I think became calf is another one of those Bouma bus type guy. He is production doesn't match what his workout tell us, but good value. And. Yeah, like why why not let's parade him around Baltimore without a shirt fans. Excited about ribbons football. Again, says the rap on decay is the production wasn't there. He was injured the receiver ole miss who actually had to production AJ Brown. It is funny that I don't know. He did so much more TK's probably get ready. And I think the other question is can he run like what is route tree? Look like at the combine test off the charts on like just about everything except for moving laterally. It's like, you know, he can run go routes. He's very vertical which is good for Lamar Jackson, by the way. I think that's that's a sweet spot. He really can't throw outs. And it's good news. I'm just gonna skip really quickly through the next one. Because it's it's Houston and much like Minnesota. They unquestionably need offense of line there. Tackle situation is dismal. So I'm gonna take Andre Dillard at a Washington state. Who's just a? Pug and play backing us pro ready. He won't give them tackle play. And that is a massive upgrade for Houston. Oakland's a fun one. Okay. So just a recap with the raiders we've already taken Josh Allen. And then. This is the second raiders pick. This is again the construct of this draft. This frustrates me. Because my heart wants marquees Brown to play with his cousin Antonia bun, then you running back. You know, we don't know what's going to happen with marshawn Don garden. I'm typically not a running back guy in the first round because I was thinking to finally do day where this let alone this guy, but the best one back prospect in the draft is Jeff Jacobs and to the bay area, my friend full year before you go to Las Vegas, the most complete running back in this strategy that it seems like unlike some of the other positions, he's pretty consensus number one. He can run routes. He can block. All right. I think. Why do people fall for Alabama running backs like who's been the best Alabama running back in the NFL? Mark ingram. Maybe like, yeah. Sean zander. Oh, okay. That's that's the the pre sleep sleeping era. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We've got me with. I'm not gonna fooled by Damian Harris. But. Very much that brand of Alabama back who's going to be really not great. I think in the NFL just kind of boring, but. Did not Jacobs's. He hasn't. He didn't have a ton of explosive long gains. But and that maybe he didn't have a ton of experiencing ran a timeshare. I think it's grain that he didn't have a lot of. Tread on the tires, and there's a little bit of recency bias. I think play here. Right. Because we all saw how awesome he was at the end of the season. But the raiders the way they're building the amount of picks. They have it's not crazy for them to go to go running back there. So I got the eagles next secondary's a big issue for them free safeties really more of an e than strong safety mechanisms getting up in the years, but I'm just gonna go best safety vailable and take Jonathan Abram here. They don't have a lot of need ROY doing this team needs for the eagles realistically. They might need a cornerback more than a safety. But I just I just think. Jenkins. They're going to need a successor to him. And I think he's much better than the remaining cornerback. So I'm gonna go Jonathan from there who are the colts. So yes. So we'll talk about one of his teammates, actually, right here. Jeffrey seven state, I'm thinking thinking yet Mississippi State taking Jefferson's right here for the colts a lot wrong right here. Right. He may not be able to play next year because he had injury while working for the combine that he was not invited to because of the incident. We was caught hitting a woman on video when he was a high school senior. So there's a lot, you know, the NFL teams sort of taken game here. But if you look at the NFL dot com rankings of the draft prospects, they have jeopardy summons number two. That's you know, what people think about him and his talent. And so if he can get back in you know, it's not a career ending injury. Then the colts can use a little bit of help though the defensive line. I mean, it's not bad. But you know, one more guy one more to go with Justin Houston who they just signed. Did he go tree Margus hunt? You know, one more guy they can have like a really formidable defensive line. And so yeah, like, I think they can't afford to wait on Jeffrey. So this is great value for them before we get to the next pack because I know you had been working story on Tim's if which probably gonna come. Soon. So, you know, a lot about him the incident which is not domestic violence, by the way was not intimate partner violence. It was a stranger. You know, how how is he talking about that? Now like where is he in terms of how he's reckon with what he did in the video is truly horrifying. If you've never seen it. So it's complicated. Right. I think that she has expressed contrition for it and kept his nose clean and stay out of trouble ever since. And I guess like do you think he's the kind of person that when ever happened again? And that's sort of what we're trying to figure out. I don't know. I mean, it would be a fool there in for me to predict you know, what's going to happen sevens in the future. But but I mean, he hasn't suppress contrition for it. The thing is though is that it's always with the well, you know, they were attacking my mom and sister, and that's why intervene, and so I guess as an NFL personnel person. You have to decide is that a good enough for what we saw on camera. Like, the fact that somebody was attacking your mom and your sister. You know, that you intervene in that way. Right. Exactly one of the strongest men like in state radio. But you're you're the strongest men and making Mississippi, you know, what I mean like you're six foot five to seventy five and you you've seen on. Video punching a woman on the ground. Like, I that. What is that? Yeah. It's there just aren't a lot of this. He's really the only think I could be missing something. But in terms of prospects with these sorts of red flags or these stories in their past he really is sort of the domain of the strap. So it's something we'll hear about more and looking forward to reading your story about it. So the raiders again at twenty seven and we have taken Montas wet. We took Josh Jacobs. They have a lot of needs on defense. Otherwise, I'm gonna go cornerback here. And this might be a little bit earlier than people would want. But I'm gonna take de'andre Baker at a Georgia who's agai where his tape looks a lot better than his athletic numbers his testing, which was not great like it's the size and speed and. The forty eight average. But but he doesn't play average he plays. He's one of those guys where I think is game speed looks a lot faster than his straight line speed. Yeah. I mean, he's solid. Right. And he played for defensive guy excelled in that system. He played against a lot of these. You know, SEC receivers that you know, or coming up at this point the draft and he did fairly well against those. So it makes sense. Like, it's not like, he's a sub par athlete. He's just not, you know in a legal and. Can you be okay with that? Evidently, you are. All right. Well, who are the chargers taking twenty eight. Yeah. So I went back and forth on this about whether or not they should add to some defensive line to have at the last minute. I decided you know, what HA Brown still on the board. Daddy came back college teammate. He was good without a to. He's in some of those pictures. He was the more productive receiver. And man, you know, Philip rivers could use a little bit more help like a gift to your core. Like, hey, look, we're going to say some appreciation. I know we could take boring old tackle, let's give you just another weapon here and help you. I love h Brown. He's my number one receiver by the wide receiver boards for this draft. Aden, totally all over the place. Right. Like there are gonna love the keen Butler. There are people who hate came Butler. I came at half his number one on some boards. He's like ten on. It's just insane. I think AJ Brown is the. The most polished wide receiver the combination of polish athleticism is there they use them a lot. I think people some people aren't thinking number one because he was used so much as a slot receiver at ole miss, although Africa got hurt they moved him outside a bit. But just what's receives a really useful in today's NFL. The chargers does seem like the Richard's position, but actually lost tyrel Williams, of course. And they're counting on Mike Williams to step up into that number to roll behind Keenan. But I do think I totally think it's worth going receiver there. So the chiefs are next I am picking for them. And they need a lot of interesting additions and they lost. Justin, Houston deformed. So they did add manual AGA one might think they would go edge rusher. But they also have a lot of needs in that secondary. As anyone with a pair of is all in the playoffs and regular season last year. They signed the shot Brillon, right? St. Nelson walked their quarterbacks were so bad. They added Toronto new I know Eric berry is still there. But obviously, we know not only did he have injuries. But when he came back, he wasn't really himself, and I'm gonna just look I'm not even gonna pretend like I'm not biased in favor of the he he is the double whammy of my bias in that he's Asian and played for Washington. Love Taylor brand up. And I think he would be a great fit in Kansas City. He can personally is extremely versatile. They could actually I think use him as coroner he can cover tight ends. He's optimal position is as a box safety. He is just eight an extremely he's super hard hitting. He can stop his open-field. Tackling is great. He can cover. His speed is not elite. But I think he is the guy that you can count on for a multiyear NFL career. So that's my. Limbaugh still worked at ESPN. He would say that you would desire of having as an American in fell. But that's that's fine. He's very good. I saw him play, you know, three or four times this year 'cause I'm out here on the west coast. And yeah, he held up very well all the time best. Oh, especially at this point in the first round. I think that's a very good pick just send you in your bias of this. All right who the Packer sticking? So we were just talking about gifting your Beijing quarterback with the little, you know, something to say, hey, look, we appreciate you know, there's been a lot of, you know, nonsense in the media things a little cold between us right now. But how about a j they are Figel Whiteside? So smooth things over. Useful do better air arriving. Didn't chase is a little bit earlier than some Mock's having. But I think the Whiteside is is sorta guy that air watching appreciate he's always open. He's a guy who really post up defensive backs to get open with the accuracy of Aaron Rodgers like I think that's like a good fit for him. He seems like he's a big, dude. He's like six to two twenty five he's fits well in like that climate up there. I could see him having thriving earlier than you'd expect. If he gets up that way. So. Yeah. I love I love. Our CEO Whiteside. I he's the guy where every time. I was watching Stanford football last year. I would complain about it and say, this sucks. This is boring. And all of a sudden, well that guy is good, man. He's always open in the sense that even if he's not open. He's open right because you will go up and get the football can contest. Catch ability is incredible. You will hear about one thousand times over the next few years that his parents played basketball in Spain. He's Spanish that is going to be. I think a very commonly referenced fun fact, so I like him, and I think I saw I think it was Mike runner-up PF who calmed him to Jordy Nelson. So this this is done cine, man. Oh packers. It. All right. So I'm the ram. I got the Rams next. I'm gonna go. Center slash guard and take Garrett bradberry out of NC state who. Yeah. The only honestly like reason he might not be first round mocks is that he was a center, you know? And. It's possible. I mean, so the rant which talk about the Rams ofensive line, which took the interior of the Rams offense align this is why I'm kind of keen on. Replenishing? I guess that position is. That's where they really struggled down the stretch into came back. But John Sullivan was really up and down. He's in his mid thirties. Now, awesome Blyth really struggled at guard. So I just think Garrett Bradbury who is potentially. I think day one starter in zones game makes a lot of sense for Los Angeles. All right. You've got the final pick on the patriots GIO men. Bill. We've been the lab going over plus. You know, we've got I think we have like twelve thirteen draft picks. And this rent we loved draft picks excited about them. And we're just like we're going to do what people don't expect us to do which in subways they're gonna expect us to do when I tell you that we're taking Andy is about number thirty two. And what I'm doing? You know what I'm doing? You know, what I'm okay their own. They're all wheel. Now, we haven't talked about it out loud. But you know, hey, look Andy is about he ran a four three one. He's deceptively fast. And I think he'd be good fit. If our system in New England, so yeah, right right down the road to move get the camp. So, hey, it's even better. We only have to pay for moving stuff. This is a full troll pick. I like India's. My third best wide receiver. I think he has some limitations imitations. Smaller slut guy, very fast, obviously getting three thousand yards and the patriots scored two touchdowns. It's going to be really, but they do need regardless of how you feel about him. They do need. I would definitely go wide receiver to there. So I like, I like that notion. All right. So before we get to tailor rap as always got a few questions for you. And now it's time for Dinxin dunks. I'm getting paid for this right old town road remix overrated or rated just right. Rated just right. I can understand the enthusiasm around. It's like when I liked him C hammer. It's like oh. That seems really nice like time where we're divided as people like to say, it seems really nice and fun. So yeah, it's it's proper. It was also such a relief win Twitter is something that everyone likes. I think that's part of the reason why enjoyed it so much universally positive reception. Who was your favorite college player who did not thrive in the NFL? Oh, maybe you know, this Vince young. I'm Vince young. I don't know. I don't know maybe a half day Kate early. I feel like he played for Jeff Fisher. I mean, I think these McNair case where the hall of fame as if he thrived planning Jeff Fisher. And amazing. And he he was so good. He made me root for the university of Texas, which is something. I I would never do. It was all about fit, and it wasn't a good fit it with the way that it did. Yeah. The Jeff Fisher handicapped hall of fame. It's like. Okay question. Three. Are you pro or con on the following subject? Mascots with giant humanoid heads. Probably as I think you should go with a good animal or like the heat or magic. Yeah. Like, I kinda things like a cop. Sometimes it can go to like really uncomfortable character. So you, you know. Yeah. Just maybe you can spend where it from making humans mascots, and let's just you know, maybe making making wildcat. Do you know do something like that eagle? You know? That aren't being doing. I mean asked Dominic Foxworth the NAR walls, the or you know. Yeah. I mean, why why not yet the banana flood, you know? Let's bring that back horned frogs. But that's so much. You can do. So my, you know, we don't have to do with. Yeah. Okay. You're famous when he came in the morning rose. Would do one's gotta go where you'd be presented with four options and say. Suggest which one's gotta go. I'm gonna just give you a one's gotta go that I came up with. Twitter Facebook, Instagram U2., which one's gotta go. Gotta. Got to get rid of Facebook. Man. I mean, I'm barely on news right now. Facebook has gotten to the point where they send me notifications of other people's post. I didn't even isn't that. We're going to. We're like if I want to know what you're posting like, hey, man. I'm not coming back. Okay. Our relationship with over. But I'm thinking nice and trying to back. Okay. Just like it's accepted. It's over does that to me to it's weird that they think that's the pool like an Email saying your cousin just had a baby. I now I don't want to log on anymore, right? Right. Ability. When you say you Facebook like off sorry birthday. I'm not on Facebook anymore. And I just I didn't there's so many things don't have to respond to Facebook. So Facebook anti last question is always comes from Lenny Dolittle bit of internet research for this one. Oh god. On Twitter dot com. You mentioned seventeen times that you were attraction of being when you were ten years old my question. How come you? Don't talk about. How fast you are? Now. Wow. I mean, you know, first of all linear w way, like he doesn't even look fast enough to really flat my speech start disproportionately long for his body. That's not true. Oh, okay. He seems very stubby. Right. I'm sorry. Well, we'll get followed like I did back when Williams Asia, I'm still fat. Like, it looks good. I know Dominy the Dominic. We know kinda like punk me on Twitter wants talking about. A little bit. Like, I was afraid to raise limits something, and I'm not saying I would beat him. But I would race it. You know what? I mean, if I think I'm fast for a forty year old man who's suffered eleven two hundred pounds. Like, I you know, I could go like I can caveat most people in the world. Yeah. Do you think he's Eleni in a forty yard dash? Ooh. Wow. Sounds like shame. Oh shame. I feel like we depend on how the start goes. Like, I just I I, you know, I put my money on myself. Like, I've got I've believe in myself. So yeah, I think I can take him. There's nothing for me to come down to LAN run against let it, you know. I mean, I'm with forty five minutes. Jill Anderson will come down to LA to race might dog who pretended to ask him a question. That's petty is hey, guys like, pettiness and great sports. Check out the right time with Bomani Jones on apple podcasts. Wherever you listen to podcast this week. Bo has part two of series on the NBA supermax contracts in conversation with NBA executive director. Michelle Robert says, she a really good one also chats with comedian ROY with junior ESPN golf analysts Michael Collins on their past connection in the comedy industry. And there will be some masters talk and next we have Taylor app. So we have been talking about the draft prospects position groups, mock smocks of mock smocks of mocks of mocks, but I wanted to get inside the process a little bit during the lead up, and instead of just talking with my fellow guests bagging bloviating, I wanted to chat with one of the top prospects in the draft a guy whose name you're going to hear a lot in the coming weeks and years once he's in the NFL. He's one of the top safeties in the class and about a comment. She has the highest graded safety right now. Huskies fans like myself bias alert know him. Well, two time for steam all Pac twelve player viewers of high noon, my known from a bit. I did with my pal Pablo Tory about our obsession with Asian American athletes and finding out who is Asian because like yours truly he is a hopper, and it's more likely than not that he will be the highest draft. Did Chinese American player in NFL history. Welcome to the show. Taylor rap for having me on guy. Do you know like who all the Chinese American players who have been drafted? I mean, it's kind of hard to find actually it takes a lot of aggressive pedia searching. Found out or heard about was Ed Wong. I think he's draft in the fifth round up other than that. Maybe Patrick Chung. He's got like a quarter Chinese and him. Right. Yes. He was on the board the shrine that we made all yeah. Joan you kind of tell too. I mean, he's not like you and me we're like, we're it's very obvious. But you know, when when you around Patrick Chung person, you can you can definitely see it. And obviously Pablo and I are always trying to guess do do you ever do that? When you're watching your like, maybe is he? Yeah. All the time all the time. I try to give gets their race. And what kind of Asia they are. So yeah, it's fun. You know, you're right in the draft process. And I feel like this really begins like it really sets in. I know for prospects at the combine what was the part that you enjoyed the most. And what was the strangest part? The best part. I had was just being in a place for four days just being able to like compete in just talk to interact with like all the best college football players and the whole the whole US. Obviously, the strangest part was I say probably a couple of formal interviews that I had to do just because depending on some teams how they attack the former interviews and teams, you know, they they asked about the question real questions or some teams with like put up your bad that film, and then kinda like grill you try to act to that. That was definitely one of the one of the strangest parts of the same. Yeah. Some of the weird questions always get out. I mean, and I remember I can't remember who said it, but it was the Seahawks who challenge someone to staring contest earlier from guys they get. You guys. I was like what animal would you be in stuff? Did you get asked anything goofy? Like that. Yeah. There's a bunch of I think one t- I can't remember who. But they. The benefit another team DASS me like if you were from more would you do with the nice for gun? Definitely a gun, right? Yeah. I I will I like that. Well, I wouldn't kill anyone first place. But then they may be picked. I said I said God just because I don't know faster. There's no gun is definitely the normal person. Right. I think. Great red flag for perserve. Yeah. Definitely a knife. I really wanna feel. Although I think you did the right thing by saying can kill someone right? Have my pin a move. Did. You did you take a couple of weeks ago, or I don't remember it when it was this point I talked to the guys who actually administered the psych exam. Did you take? It sounds like almost like a video game in some ways. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There for the first night that I got there there. I didn't think I was going to have to do anything. But I I was up until I wanna AM doing psychology Tessie when I got there like six o'clock at night. So there was a bunch of psychology testing. But I think I remember the one that the other guy was talking about like the video game. Like literally is like a gaming, you're it'd be like you're playing a video game. You weren't obviously weren't the only husky at the combine their bunch of guys guys. We we'll talk about another one guy. I want to mention like you. He's being mocked in the early rounds for second. Byron Murphy, and you guys are part of this recent tradition of incredible defense. Bax coming out of Washington Sidney Jones barks Peters Baker. I mean, the list is really long anything like that's the case at university of Washington. These days first of all just sound like our our defensive bags coats coach lake how how well job developing young players. I mean, he he obviously recruits great players. But I think he's the best business that -veloping young football players and achieving the maximum potential, obviously, I just look at his track record. It's frightening the result. So I mean, I think it it all starts with recruiting guys. But I think coach like he he develops them like other. Yeah. I don't know if you know, I I did a story last year on Jalen Ramsey, and he actually who's obviously, you know, one of the best cornerback fell. And he almost went to became a word of his. How would? We'll be you weren't highly recruited at high school, right? Like you played at a pretty tiny school worn ball at top. I don't getting recruited like pretty well. But it was more. Like I had to like go out and take initiative, and like get seeing college camps or call coaches 'cause I knew like, no, no college scouts, college coaches. If you bro enough to say, oh my school up in Bellingham, Washington. So I really had to like get out there and try to try to like get seem. So your mom is Chinese Udeze Canadian. And I think I read somewhere that you actually raised partly by your grandparents from China like. Yeah. Or the lot of their day Ereli. I don't wanna say always, but they traveled quite a bit. So when they were travelling my mom's parents had they played a big role in raising my older brother, and I my brother, and I are super close I've gone up. That's kind of how we learn to speak some Chinese because they they didn't speak any English. So we had to communicate with them somehow. So our Chinese was a lot of everyone when you're younger, and we were around them a lot more. But as we got older kind of lost because more around there than we more really around like speaking Chinese as much, but yeah, they played a role in raising my older brother, and I you guys speak Mandarin. Yeah. We yeah. We do you never had to go to like Saturday school or anything like that to study. Well, so my parents actually had my older brother, and I like a Chinese boarding school in Bellingham. But we were only there for like Cup. Of years, maybe here, but that quickly ended. I used to have to go to a little bit of Saturday school to learn Korean, and my brother, and I also quickly quit because we didn't like yard. Just try to communicate and talk to our grandparents and our mom like that. So my proficiency now with Creon I'm told is that of a two year old how about how are you? I mean, it's probably pretty bad. See I I don't know about a two year old. But I'd say, maybe I don't know maybe ten year old, maybe. Okay. Oh, all right. Implant. Well, growing up playing football. How often did you come across other Asians in the game? A lot that I could remember that's that was part that was like difficult for me when I was growing up because obviously there's not a lot of Asians in any major sports like let alone just football. There's really none in the ball when I was growing up. So I mean, it was it was difficult for me not having someone to look up to relate to. Yeah. And how did people react to seeing you on the field? I mean being one of the very few is not only Asian players in middle school high school. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I think a lot of people were kind of weird out by it. You know, I I was always, you know, one of the better players on on my teams growing up and stuff like that. So like, I think it kinda weird people out. But yeah, I mean, it was it was difficult because I think that played a huge part in like when I was trying to get recruited and stuff like that. Just because I didn't look like the typical football. Player or like typical football player. In college coaches is I felt like I got overlooked quite a bit. When I did go to camps and stuff like that. Just because I didn't look like a football player in there is. Yeah. I mean, I feel like I can relate to that. Not just as a woman, but also being Asian. You know, it's there aren't really people who look like me in sports certain that not that many either. Growing up obviously, not a lot of Asian American players playing football. How does your mom feel about you playing the sport just given? Listen, I gotta Korean mom. So, you know. I don't think see really like was following along like picked it up. I I mean, maybe just bought that. Like, you know, it was good to be out there, you know, getting around getting activity, and, but she really didn't like it at first because of how physical, and you know, how dangerous it could be. But I mean, I think it really grew on her. And she really understood like how special player I could be you know, how far that the game. Could take me. I mean, look at me now got four years of education paid for everything like that. And I can't go in the National Football League. So I mean, I at first she she really didn't get it. But now now she's really fully understanding, you know, getting on board time about your tattoos recently just got worth that people are Chinese base type last week when I was home, and my brother, so the first one that I got was is right on my side of my stomach on my. Ribs. They're confused sits five virtues kindness cusses morality with them and loyalty, and those kinda just big five traits that I try to like with my life by and try to you know, everything I do I try to really have those five virtues and traits, and then I have all about solar for my Chinese ODI acts of euros born year of the ox, China nineteen ninety seven and then like a little Chinese proverb right under that me like changed the world make a difference in the world. And then I recently just got to new ones. Like, I was saying I got one on my chest. Just the Chinese character on my left side right over my love in Chinese and then woma calf. So my brother is going. He's role in me growing up, and you know, we always had tight brotherly bond. And you know, he he helped me out and everything I. I did I would be anywhere near where I am today without without him. So I just kinda wanted to get tattoo fate tribute to him. And you know, how much he means to me. So. Exacting? Walking. And then there's one little brother one older brother, all they're like holding hands walking away. If things brothers looking to the big brother and then right over the little brothers head. I gotta Chinese character for little brother. And then he ended up getting the Chinese character for older, brother. But it was it was his first too. So heated jump on the graphic yet. But I think he's he's gonna end of the kids coming up. I'm also your the axe definitely not the same. And that's really upsetting to hear that year. But so it sounds you know, you mentioned earlier growing up. You didn't have a lot of like Asian American football players to look up to DC will like you're getting these tattoos. You're kinda putting yourself out there a little bit in terms of identity. It does is it meaningful to you knowing that, you know, other Asian American kids potentially playing the sport could look up and see you Taylor rap on the field. Yeah. A hundred percent, I think that's probably my biggest mission right now. They're trying to do. I think I'm trying to be an inspiration to the young as Americans who didn't have like a role model look ups you like I did have when I was growing up. I wanna fill that role for them and be able to have someone they can look up to spire and have someone they can relate to just because of the the small amount of Asian Americans even in any any sports. So I wanna be able to inspire them. It's so that, you know, like put your mind through it. You know, try to sound stereotypes resume. Did you know? Kyla Mary's part Korean are good. I did I did know that. I saw my on the board you in Pablo put. It's very important to me that people know. Well, let his mom or are very small. Right. It's small. Yeah. Enough. We're still claiming there for sure right? Right. It is small it's small we'll claim anyone especially someone that talented. Well, let's talk about the draft a little bit before. I let you go. You know, are there any players? You look at right now any safeties in the league at the moment that you sort of see yourself modeling your game after. I like watching. I think a lot of my game come from a lot of of those game. I think I something to do with young things like doing James it's all out of I think those guys are super versatile and what they do. And how how the defense use them in their scheme. Also being from Seattle from Bellingham Thomas plays the game intensity in the motor. He has the way the game is Mexican play. But you know, there's there's a lot of safeties like Eric Weddell Eric berry, and I I really I really love watching. All right last question, if you had to kill someone would you choose between a knife and a hammer over knife. It ahead ver-. Oh, that's a hard. I would say nice because the hammer I don't know. I guess if you hit a one time, I don't know. I don't want to get it to say I of. Depending on the thoughts could really do as fast as possible. But yeah, he's on me other stuff from a gun. Yeah. There's no non non psychopaths answer. What about daily? Thank you so much for. I don't have to answer the questions. This is my podcast, but I would nice.

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Where's the value at WR, TE? Draft analyst Matt Waldman tells us

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Where's the value at WR, TE? Draft analyst Matt Waldman tells us

"Welcome to another edition of the Valentine's views podcast giants fans a week ago. We had Matt Waldman of the rookie scouting portfolio on with us. And we spent an hour or so talking quarterbacks, but that is not all that does met discusses Matt is knowledgeable about all of the various skill positions. So today we have met joining us once again what we're going to do is go through the the receiver positions as they relate to the giants Mets on the line right now. How you doing today? Matt thanks for joining us again. Thanks for having me back at a good time. Talk about quarterbacks in this should be just as fun. Well, yeah. You know, I got to give you a hard time though. Because since the last time, we talked I saw that you did Patty train us podcast. I saw that. You did big blue kickoff live with John smell. You know, come on, man. I'm telling you. I'm a I'm a mercenary. What can I tell you? How it just it? Just just tells you that you're a popular guy that people value your opinion, you know, as we do here. So that's good stuff. And I'm just I'm glad that people want me back, but you know, Patty, and I used to do art used to show together back in the day. And I always I always give her a hard time about steel in my guests. Well, she certainly she does fine work as well. You know, and and it was kind of funny because when I when I heard you talking about that earlier that she she she contacted million than I got the contact from feebles Schnell that was pretty funny too. So I thought it's going to make our time coming back on this show. But whatever it's worth, of course, I am. You know? Hey, it's it's all it's all in fun. And you know, it's all people love talking about the giants. And so let's let's do some of that, Matt. And let's start with this. The the news that broke yesterday was the giants signing sterling shepherd to a pretty long. I think four year extension supposed to be in the neighborhood of forty one million dollars. Just you know, from your perspective a quick thought on on the kind of player sterling shepherd is in the the extension that he got from the giants. I think it shows that they're looking for someone that they want to build his receiving core around, and they feel at ease the type of worker the type of route runner the consistency factor in his game is good enough that you wanna lock him up for a while. I get that. He's a he's a player that you know, reminds me a little bit of a former giant that I really loved in this in when he came out in the draft. And that was during the time of the Matt line area, which was Steve Smith. I was a big fan of the giants. Steve Smith before he got hurt because he could do a little bit everything he can stretch the field for you with tremendous quickness a clutch player. He was a terrific route runner he could play a little bit in a little bit outside as well as inside. And I think that shepherd is a player that I think they hope can develop where he has that kind of Steve Smith upside. And I think that he's already even if he doesn't reach that point. He's already reliable guy that you can lock in. Place. No that you're gonna get someone who can make the correct route adjustments be there for quarterback create a good target for his man and be able to help them move. The changes wells occasionally makes a big place. It's funny. You mentioned Steve Smith, I always liked Smith. But toward the maybe it was after he started to to suffer some injuries. I always think of him as catching fall down Steve Smith. Yeah. Guy that catch get make the catch and get down. No yards after catch nothing. Yeah. And that was that was it after the injuries at pretty much didn't form. And I think before that you had he was a guy who made Matt liner. Look a lot better than maybe liner was. So it was a is just one of those things. Sometimes it's a shame, but grew life spans are short in the NFL injuries that you'd factor for that. What is your take? Obviously the giants signed golden Tate in. I think we've talked about this a little bit. What is your take on the concern that some people have that that take in shepherd our guys that that have similar skill sets? And that it might be hard for them to play together. I think that I think it's there's some validity to that. If the offense doesn't show the magic nation should, but there are some differences here that are noth- to to kind of give them separate roles for take take can be more of a flanker in the sense where he's tough. After the cash he's a physical player. He's I think he's a little better than shepherd winning the ball at the catch point. And he has the speed to get deep, and we saw that with him in Seattle when he had the connection he had with Russell Wilson, you know, in Detroit, the the more recent exposures people had a think of as a slot receiver. And they forget about the fact that he wasn't outside presence who could win the ball in the air could get deep. An additional fact that he runs like a, you know, like a Scott back with a little power after the catch. So this is a physical player, and you get you know, shepherds kind of craftsman you get a real physical presence who can block who can you know, who can also be a presence after the catch in a way that construct the fuel horizontally for the for the giants because of the presence of saquon Barkley can split them out opposite sides, and you get the players. Defensive backs linebackers out to be equally concerned about when they have the ball in space, the other thing, I guess that. I think about is the fact that you have you know, offenses aren't static. These guys don't line up in the same spot, you know, every single time. I mean, unless you're running the Mike McCarthy, you know, offense ninety five ninety five percent of the time in eleven personnel. Which giants fans are familiar with? Thanks to Ben mcadoo guys move around. So I think there's there's that benefit to these guys aren't always going to be in the same place the same alignments, absolutely 'cause they're looking for matchup advantages, and you're gonna see certain things where baby teams will look at Sheppard and gold tape and you'll see vendors kind of look at the mess. The same kind of role in certain situation and realize that that kind of got numb outfox there and put into in the situation where take might have a little bit more of an advantage with certain types of routes or certain type of look, and that can lead to some stakes in terms of opportunities to create pre snap a mismatch is or league defenders into a false sense of security that there may be they may be running the blocking on this play as opposed to going out for a route. So there's there's levels things you can do. And I do think they're different enough players that it's that people are just kind of looking at. What happened lately with Tate in Detroit as opposed to what he was in Seattle. It'll be interesting to see what happens once the giants. You know, get into lab and get all these guys on the field and see what they can create. But I think we know, you know, heading into the draft here in a couple of weeks that the giants I wouldn't consider them to have a complete receiving core by any stretch of the imagination. So I would suspect I mean at some point in this draft that they have to dip into the receiver pool. So let's do that right now. And what I really wanna do. We're kinda going to go through sort of where the giants pick and the players who might be value at at the different spots in the draft. And to be honest. I mean looking at Tate looking at shepherd looking at Korey Coleman who they brought back. I mean, the one thing that the giants don't. Have is that bigger bodied guy that outside guy on unless you wanna make Evanston grenade to that guy. So we're kinda I'm kinda going to ask you to as we think about it to lean toward talking about about those guys that are a little different type of player than what the giants have now. Yeah, that sounds great. And I think before we do that. Let's just think about that for second to like two little cabbie outside like mentioned before really delve into this one is that it is quite awful that they decide that they wanna make Ingram guy that plays more on the outside and be more receiver and then they draft the tight end. And there's plenty of great tight ends in this class. So where you can get a complete tight end a better blocker than Ingram who might be a better interior receiver than Ingram. And then he could putting your money outside Lyneham win with his size in his speed. Leaping ability in the other caveat is this is that if if you talk to anybody in the scouting community. Who's who's who's worked in that community? You learn pretty well that that there's more variation in greats for for receivers among teams or between teams than any position that they look at in the NFL allow that has to do with like you were alluding to the type of position that type of role that you're looking at whether it's a slot receiver split end your flanker. Or if you're looking at players who can be combination of two to three of those roles, and that can filter your pool in a way where you may want. He may have a second round grade on a player and three other teams may have sixth-round grade on that player. So as we go through this, you know, you wanna keep that in mind because most likely, you know, I'm gonna name some players, and we're gonna talk about them in a second third or fourth round and some of the mega much higher or much lower interesting. But you know, at least. It goes back to the fact that there is no such thing as a hard and fast rule of you know, who the best player available is because two different sets of eyes to different teams, you know, even different scouts within certain teams will always see players in a different way. And it depends largely on on what they feel like they need what they're scheme is in. What players they're teaming that those guys with right? So where I wanna start is at number six. Now, interestingly, we were we were kidding about Pat traina in locked on giants the other day and and full disclosure here. I actually did Patty show earlier this week myself. You see see there? It is. Well, you know, I used to co host over there. So once in a while, I dropped by you know, just so folks remember me, but it's funny because she asked me what I thought if there was one sort of outside the box move that nobody had really thought about that would kind of turn the giants draft on its head. She asked me, you know, what that move would be. And I need to start at number six. I keep hearing that the giants are doing an awful lot of work on TJ Hopkinson. And I think there's no wide receiver that I can think of that that would have value at six, but I can't necessarily see the giants doing this at six with all of their other needs. But I keep thinking, you know, if they wanted to turn the draft on their heads Hopkinson. Might be a guy to look at it six. Oh, I think it's definitely something that you have to look into because he is that good of a player. He can start right away for team because he is that a block he you can use him on the wing you can use in line against offensive ends Outside Linebackers. You can use as a fullback you can split them in the slot or outside, and he can do all he's got the size already to anchor in hold up. He's a good puncher younger stands out. Get come off the line with his back loan as pads low. He can turn very quickly turned defenders quickly. He's a good lead blocker. So you get someone who's already at better blocker based on what we saw last season than evidence grow. And you get a player who also can work the scene down field and win contested plays and run after the catch. So if you wanted to say, listen we ever receiving core. We're just gonna put Ingram. You know at split end or put him at flanker. We're gonna put the other guys where the where they need to be. And we can rotate Coleman we can use Latimer in certain leverage situations, if he continues to show up, and if that's the case, then you end up consolidate your position and part of that is that you could use Ingram as the second tight end. He doesn't have to be on the front side of blocking schemes. So he can end you can be the guy can sneak out of the backfield sneak out off the line and use him on that level or you could be more multiple in your look. So you have two tight ends split. One out pre snap motion them to the receiving parcel. You can take advantage of what the coverage shows you. And now you're looking at a rob gronkowski Aaron Hernandez type of situation in terms of how these players could be used in the way that the patriots did your to go and that I can see why they're studying. That because when you have multiple tight ends that creates a lot of issues the colts did a lot of great work with that last year where they even ran things like three verticals four verticals using three and four tight ends. And looking like they were going to you know, they're gonna run the football. Just you know, compressed the box play you know, short short yardage football. And the next thing, you know, three of those tight ends or running verticals off out of the formation. They're getting big place out of that. And you could send e how the giants decide listen we've got saquon Barkley we want to look like we're going to be a physical power to eat. But we also want to be multiple enough that we can spread the field in as soon as as soon as the defense decides they're gonna use personnel and take advantage of them for that. So I love the idea is very creative one. We'll see if they take it seriously enough to to go that route. I have my doubts just because of all of the they've spent so much time talking about how much they need to upgrade their defense. You know, how much they they really could use a right tackle. And of course, you know, the quarterback discussion, which I don't think they're going to go quarterback at six, but it it's an intriguing idea. I just I think I would be I would be shocked if they pulled the trigger on it at six agree. And I think if they went really that could probably go around or two later there some guys that can still do that with guys like Dawson knocks of ole miss is of very fine blocker who has that same versatility? And can also catch the ball up thanking. He's terrific athlete is just underrated because he wasn't used a lot as receiver at ole miss. But he could be bargain version that for Hopkinson there's a guy really love tight end by traverse. John West go from West Virginia who's a former quarterback. When he came up or high school quarterback. But he's he was literally praised as part of the offense of live for West Virginia last year in terms of how Weli block he's about two hundred seventy pounds. Unbelievably quick really fluid hips can run those type of whip routes that you see slot receivers run. He doesn't have great speed. But he's very good after the catch. And suddenly, you have a guy who played a lot of fullback h back and also in line work in Trevan west co- at that could accomplish the same thing, you could get him may be on day two or maybe even days we. Nice. We'll get more into the into the the the day three, you know, type players as we get along here. But let's go to seventeen where I think it might be more likely that the giants I still think they're going to lean toward quarterback or or adding to their defense here. But if they wanted to add to the receiving core, I think hocken sin, you know, the way I the way I understand it the wit from what I've been told. I don't think Hopkinson is going to be a choice at seventeen I think he's he's probably going to be off the board by then. But I think maybe we start to get into a couple of the bigger bodied wide receivers that might be available guys that you think might be available at seventeen who who would be value guys who could get picked in that range there a lot. Guys, because there's even talk that maybe teams are starting to figure out that maybe we should wait on receipt of us were absolutely sold at the guys like the next Calvin Johnson. Now, I think there are a number guys in this class who are good enough to be franchise caliber receivers. But it doesn't seem like there's a consensus about that. But as a result, if there are if these guys are on the board, I think Akeem Butler would be in a mazing pick for the giants. If he somehow slips that far, and he probably will e six five to twenty seven he runs those whip routes at six five to twenty seven watch him against Iowa last year. And you'll see him beat a cornerback on whip route working inside back to the outside. We has to drop his way flip his hips in succession and beat the man so badly that he had to be tackled. So that the so that he didn't catch the target. Beforehand in basically committed interference. You don't see receivers that big run that unless our name is Calvin Johnson. That's I mean, that's how good of a hot fluid is now. Yes. Emissions which Rops? And so people often say we don't wanna receive who drops the ball. But you have to understand that the way the NFL if you really studying receivers, well, you can text relies what those drops are. And there's three types of drops at our common with receivers. There's the focus drops, which are just basically the equivalent of say, you're teaching your your daughter how to drive and you get to the stop side. And and she's like listening to the radio or telling you, something interns. Doesn't seem go Adam stop sign and she has to stop real quickly. You know, maybe she ran through the stops on over. There is one of those things it's just more of attention to focus. He used the correct ethnic knows what to do. But he's he's to focus on maybe the next task or tasks that, you know. Looking at the defenders coming or trying to talk the ball. That's mostly a key butlers issue. You know, but people off and make it out to be a secret more serious issue. But those series issues are technique driven. You know, not using the hands in the correct of position based on the location of the targeted to me. That's more. Like, you know, if you're using the drive analogy, it's kind of where you you're gonna hit the gas pedal instead of the brake pedal because you you just got distracted as a beginner driver in that can be dangerous, obviously, but you can go back to the parking lot with with student driver in say here, we're going to go five miles an hour until you figure out how they hit the break in the gas. You know at the right moment and not get distracted there. And the most dangerous one is where you you may know, how to hit the brake pedal, but you don't know how much pressure to put on it consistently. And you keep rolling the intersection with gas jar Barron down from the opposite side, and those are people who don't track the football while they just don't understand how really track where it should arrive in where they should reach four guys like Sammie Coates had that issue. Of Troy Williamson that issue. Jake Reed back in the day at that issue not always played their game. And so people sometimes conflict drops with that key Butler is a guy that I think is probably I think the best receiver in this class on. And I think he's the most versatile, and if they wanna be multiple use that versatility. He's the guy miles boykin. No, he's the real. Combine wonder is a guy with slot receiver metrics four point zero seven twenty shuttle six seven seven three cone drill forty three and a half inch vertical? Leap and he's two hundred twenty pounds and six four, and he doesn't have those hands issues at all he tracks the ball extremely well. He's good after the catch he strong. He runs to riff routes breaks back to the ball. Extremely well. So you can rely on him variety of ways. It wasn't talked about a lot. Because didn't have a great quarterback. And people wondered if he was truly that faster. Not. But you can see it on tape matches up as what you see. And then then another guy could be. Multiple is AJ Brown. Who's certainly, you know, more of a slot player. And I don't think the giants will go after him, but he can win the catch point. And you could probably put him at flanker because he's very good after the catch. But I think they need more of a split in than that guy beings. If you're gonna look for split ended this class decay Metcalfe's that guy decay Metcalf. You know, he doesn't have great bend with the way he drops his weight in his routes in and out of his brakes of and I worried that tighter coverage will Biggs Asir bait. That issue where now defensive backs in the SEC all over college are just scared out of their minds about getting beat deep by him. So they'd get a lot of cushion. But the same thing goes with him as I think he's so physical it the way he uses his hands. He so violent with his head that he can create runways just doing that. And and then he gets up to that fourthly speed that he has and he's off to tackle any can win the ball all the catch boring. He has occasional technique issues with. His catching and he also drops passes, but again technique is fixable. Just a matter of understanding when he needs to put his hands up high for certain types of throws as opposed to using a lower hands technique. So he's a little more. He's a little less refined than Butler boykin Brown of. But his physicality at high would use him as a split in. That's all you wanna use them for. It's like going to the hardware store and saying you want a hammer, and you're not gonna get all caught up whether or not the hammer concern into a wrench. He's a hammer. And he's a guy is gonna get downfield. Just have the deep the zones of of defense. So the one name that you mentioned that surprised me a little bit as we were talking about that particular point in the draft was was miles boykin. Do you really think that he would be in the conversation that early in the draft or or is he a guy that that would come a little bit later on? I think he's fog end up in the second round. He shouldn't be. But I'm just looking at highlight, great guys. So to me he's that good. He he should be the conversations while the top three or four receivers in this class of. But most likely he will probably fall to the second round in this in this class will be of quiet thing, we got remember that, you know, past examples, we've talked about players, we think are gonna be first or second guys and in the past. We didn't think Paul Richardson would be a second route guy for the Seahawks. When Dante Pettis would be a second round guy for the forty Niners last year. So I'm kind of open to that because I'm debt at this was my first ranked guy last year on the board just ahead of Ridley DJ more and Don strategy see that petty started. Flash solo skills. Once it got LV. So yeah, I don't know what boy can will be someone that they might account and said we can probably get him maybe in the second round. And if they do that will be quite a bargain. And as you said, you know, at the top when we started to discuss this teams have such a wide variety of of grades in any opinions on wide receivers that you know, that you never know, you know, how some of these guys are going to fall, you know. So the giants have the they have the picket thirty seven, and you know, and you talked about boykin. You mentioned Dawson Knox. I don't. I don't know. If Dawson Knox is a is a tight end who would be in consideration that early just, you know, off of your grades. You know, who might some of the guys that that they could be looking at, you know, at thirty seven be maybe a couple of guys we haven't talked about yet. Certainly as another tight end, Irv Smith is kinda delaying Walker type. I would say if you can feel he's a good blocker. He's not quite as big as Hopkinson, but he holds up very, well, technique wise, and he is I think he's the best receiver after the catch. Even though he's not the quote, unquote, most athletic, but he's the most polished tight end in this class, and you know, comes from great bloodlines from earth. Smith senior who played for the New Orleans Saints in the forty Niners for quite a long career. And he is a good tight end who could be split outside versatile. And could give you that Delaney. Walker type of player, but in addition terms of otherwise receiver talents, the keel, Harry might be there, you know, and a lot of people see him as a big slot receiver. And I think that may be the case, but he's also a guy who you know, can win one on one in the deep game at with his physicality, and he's also a guy that you can move around. So if you're looking for multiplicity in terms of multiple looks in terms of higher seniors could move around at different positions. Harry can also play tennis different roles on team. So he would fit in well in that regard. And I think that those, you know, those two guys probably make the most sense of thirty seven. You might see if team I would say this is doubtful based on how he performed at the combine. But if a team is just really in love with Kelvin Harman's tape, and they feel like we'd love his physicality. We like how can run double moves? We feel like he can be possession. Plus kind of split end for us in Alan Robinson tight, but maybe not quite as faster dynamic Kelvin bet car. Kelvin Harbin is a is a guy who wins really well to catch point. And they may see that another one might be an it may seem like an odd pick. But it's Paris Campbell. And the reason it's gonna see my to everybody on yours could be pretty obviously seeing him as more of a slot receiver. There's a lot of talk in being Streep draft me that he can't get deep or that. He wasn't used a lot as deep player only six to five. But we gotta remember that Paris. Campbell's is a hyper lead athlete of this is a guy with four three speed extreme quickness great explosiveness legs drink, he's an excellent blocker. And he just wasn't used much as receiver one of the flaws Dwayne Askins ad that we talked about the last. Episode is sometimes he missed some of the opportunities to throw the ball deep where he had open receivers in terms of the leverage pre snap. And it was usually centered around Paris Campbell in the slot. But pairs Campbell can't get deep. He actually knows how to make the good Dr step one long step into the hard parade. Which is the hardest thing about route running for the more difficult timing rouse. So he may be inexperienced. But he's not raw. He has a good solid base a fundamental as a pass catcher as a route runner, and he someone very good after the catch. And I could see how you know. Maybe they decide that they they like his athletic ability. They wanna get creative with that. I don't think that's the best. All I don't think it's going to happen. But I'm trying to think of guys in that range. In addition to may be deebo Samuel would also kind of fit in that rage. But he's kinda I think depot Samuel can be a little bit for a Jimmy Smith type of play Jag. Guar receive them or a Sterling Sharpe type of player Rickaby a little more physical than you would expect. But he's extremely quick and fast win after the cash, and he's a guy that I've always joked runs that he can kill you with the single death blow with the shot on or thousand paper cuts running through and beating people the way that Odell Beckham junior. Did you know back, you know, when he was starring in your so Sam could also give you that special teams ability. So those are some guys at Mike fit that range of its allied range of possibilities. And and we'll go from there. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from SP nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seemed smart. 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We answer your questions regarding the latest news and headlines of the world of professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. It's interesting because it just seems like, you know, it seems like as I look at this class. If the giants want to upgrade at wide receiver. It just seems like somewhere along the way. There's going to be value because it just seems like there's a there's a a fair amount of depth the fair amount of variety in types of of players, you know, pretty much all the way through this class. Yes. And you know guy who might creep up into that second round because he had a good throw day was JJ Sehgal Whiteside who six to twenty five dollars box out receiver who wins in the red zone. But also shown some pretty good route running skills, I'm a little concerned about his hands. I think that he catches the ball well in terms of catch rate, but like Cortlandt Sutton, the guy was a little concerned about this way too in played out Denver early. I was that. He doesn't have the greatest technique any fights the ball. But I agree with you. I think there are a number of players in his class who in the in the, you know, second late second day early early third or late third who really have an opportunity to evolve in the stars. And and. I'm looking forward to talking about some of them too. All right. So let's let's frame the next part of this a little bit differently and ask you to kind of put your your GM hat on here for a second. When we look at the giants on their current draft board, they go from thirty seven which is early in the second round to ninety five which I think is the last pick of the third round last or second to last pick of the third round. So there's a huge gap in there. But they have eight day three selections in one of the things that I expect is I expect them to whether it's late second early third. Whether it's, you know, fourth round picks, I would expect them to use some of those day three picks to to move up in in target. You know, a guy let's let's suppose that they've they've gone through. They've picked up a bunch of defensive guys that picked up an offensive tackle. Whatever maybe they picked up their quarterback. They haven't touched receiver or tight end yet. And you're sitting there early in the third round. Is there a guy that you can see maybe it's one of the guys that we've already talked about. Maybe it's a guy that that that we haven't mentioned yet say early early third round where you would bang the table and say if we've got to give up a couple of assets. Let's go get this this guy because he can come in and start for us and help our offense right away. Yeah. And I think we'll start with we'll start with guys who might drop, you know, the miles boykin Ricky Butler drop than I would be throwing the table up against the wall. If they weren't listening get fired probably mum. At that point. I also think you know, if the Keitel hairy dropped it would be interesting to consider consider that. But at tight end, I'd probably be bending the table for someone like Dawson knocks Dawson Knox is still there in the early third round. It's time to consider him seriously as that asset. If you believe that an Ingram can be that got or if you know that your draft board has valued below that. Because I think there are receivers in the who are gonna be available the fourth or fifth round who you really going to be able to get get some value out of. But the if there's a receiver. We haven't talked about that if I was really if if I look at his pro day look at what he has to offer. And I'm pretty intrigued by him. I think he has some drops occasionally, but I like one of seen of him, and he's proven an awful lot. I might. Lee personally, I'd probably say would beg the table for here. But I could see how team might and that's Jalen Hurd, Jalen Hurd of Baylor is a former five star running back around the time where he was the starter ahead of compel VIN Kamera and ahead of John Kelly at Tennessee, and he was around the same range that you know, he was he was in playing around the same time that there can was playing six six five two forty kind of sloppy feed the powerful could catch the ball extremely well showed some speed bursts. But he didn't really wanna be running back. You wanna be receiver? Tennessee didn't really want to be receiver. He ended up getting hurt. He ended the siding to move on and transferred to Baylor be receiver. There's a big kind of divorce fallout in the media between this and Tennessee's coaching staff was beyond they been kind of the they've been. Magnet for trouble. During that time. They weren't that. There was a loud bad stuff going on about that whole program. So but heard got the brunt of it like he was the bad guy. But all Endo is at hurt shut up went to Baylor. Put his head down and became a guy that we look at them on your like this guy looks like he's been playing wide receiver since high school and he runs good routes. You can see him do the technically sound things about talked about with you know, guy like MAs boykin, you can get a little bit better with that gathered the steps to hard breaks. But that's the thing that a lot of young receivers after learn of, but he's got the size. You could break bolt tackles the open field. He's a smart runner. He can catch the ball goal up win it. He's used more often Baylor in the slot. But he should transition to becoming a split end in the league. And again, you know, six five with it, you know, with that kind of quickness and good route running showing -bility too nippy late coverage. And final been zones. You could start about the slot and put Ingram outside. And so you kinda slowly feed him into the offense as a contributor in let him win where he he's comfortable and in the year or two he can wind up being that split end for you. And what's even cooler about him is that because he had the work on his foot work so much as a rout runner Baylor. Still use them as a short yardage running bag or occasional running back as a change of pace. Unlike gap plays trap and power toss. And he looked even better at Baylor as a runner, not production wise, but just purely from his footwork in decision making in quickness because he worked so hard on that it actually helped his game as a running back. So you could see this big old guy come in and kind of be a change of pace to saquon Barkley and suddenly you're looking at two five star former five star running backs one of the. Could occasionally use it up again to try to be multiple. You know, not only did you may be tight end. Or maybe yet? But you have that you also have heard who could be a split end for he could be imply put him at wing back because he's big enough. And if you wanted to add weight decide you wanted to make maybe a tight end, I don't think they would do that. I think he's too much potential as outside Seaver. But if they wanted to go that route, and it might be able to do that with him to his member did play to forty at one time, but Tennessee and that was when he was younger player. So this is a really intriguing prospect who I think that there might be a team or two that really likes. You could see how Scots might be on the table. It's really interesting. All right. So now, we have hit the the day three, you know, portion of the draft. And we've already mentioned we've mentioned a lot of names already and have to admit one of the things one of my favorite time wasting sort of activities is to is to go to the draft network or to go to fans speak, and and and you know, mess around with with the mock draft, simulators those two play. That's it's it's to be honest early in the process, you know, I'm not a person who studies guys the way that the way that you do in the way that that a lot of these guys that a lot of guys do to the point where they know everything about everybody, basically. But there's a point in the process where I'm actually using these simulators to to get to know some of the players ESP. 'specially draft network is kind of cool because it lets you pick up the bios on the players as well researched them, but the mice sort of long winded point here is when I do these seven round mock draft simulations for the giants one of the things that makes me crazy as I do these when I get to day three when I get to date to round four to round five even round six. I look at the board that I'm presented with and it's wide receiver wide receiver wed receiver wide receiver. Wed receive rag go down like twenty five names in nineteen or twenty of them are wide receiver. And I'm like, I don't wanna wide receiver right now. I took one already or I want to do that later. But the point being there's a lot of depth on day three. So what I really want you to do is kind of cherry pick a little bit and talk about some of your some of your favorite guys that could go later in the draft. Oh, absolutely. All right. So Jalen Hurd will probably will one of them. We already talked about a guy that that probably could be liked by scouts a guy by the name of Travis full out of Old Dominion, east six to two hundred fifteen pounds. He's a rugged rebounder. With some sudden. At the you know with this first step he's kind of a potential possession plus receiver with some deep nece some deep game to him. But he's will bit more of like a four five eight forty guy. So he's not gonna blow the top off of off of a defense. But he's a little bit more physical in rugged kinda Michael Crabtree. Aspiring type of player who who could be interesting there if they wanna go big slot. And and they think the guys I have on the outside are good. And they feel like they wanna roll that way. Little Jordan Humphry out of Texas. Who's also a former running back six four to ten has some of the best mitts in this class. And there are a lot of good guys in his class in terms of being able to make the catch kinda Marcus Colston type of player who can run, but he can run after the catch away that Colston couldn't you could probably use them out of the backfield occasionally, but he makes excellent adjustments to the football is not very fast. You know, Tyree Brady is an interesting guy or Emmanuel hall. We'll talk about to them that on wrap up the third guy after this. But Tyree Brady isn't very fast. He comes across four seven four. And that I don't know if that's really indicative is speed. I've seen him get through past guys in ways that seems a lot better that he has really must have really good quickness. He didn't we didn't get a chance to see that on in the metrics in terms of his his workouts. But he's very quick off the line runs. Good routes. He hasn't incredible concentration at the catch point make some really difficult catches. But he kind of in that room of like if AJ green was the top model on the board. You know, like he's the luxury model of this type of receiver and say Josh Reynolds of the Los Angeles Rams is kind of like the mid range model, you know, tiring. Brady's kind of like the compact model at the rental car place. But you might be able to eat might be able to upgraded enough that it could do. A lot of work for you. If you're looking for a classic split end. Who's just graceful can become really good deep ball specialist. Maybe expand his game and become something. More Emmanuel hall of Missouri's early graceful guy with four three nine speed kind of in that Justin hunter mode, though. 'cause once he drops the ball. He starts to drop more and drop more any loses concentration. And I think he has to continue to work harder to focus his game. A guide will probably fall day three. Because of an off field situation is pressed in Williams, and we talked about the AJ green model, if AJ greens the all pro model of in terms of ability, Preston Williams could turn out to be the starter model for that. Which is pretty darn good six four to eleven Scott four five speed is as quick enough. He has good enough acceleration. He's terrific after the cat. He wins the ball well near he could play. Flanker split any. He he actually runs good routes, and he's guy Colorado state, who's a former five star prospect of Tennessee saying program where Jalen Hurd, left and Williams has really I think Williams is one of the better prospects in this class. He's in my top ten on my board of but will probably drop because he had a domestic violence issue when or during his Tennessee career, and you know, obviously, the NFL every wanna look at it. If you wanna look at it, the cynical way, I'm more cynical side of things you look at the NFL has more of an optics PR issue about this than they do about really caring about it. If you look, you know, on the level of like, you know, in terms of how that goes now, I look at this way. I think everyone cares about domestic violence in in who has a good head on their shoulders. But at the same time, you know without getting too deep into it. I just say. That some businesses in America, don't, you know, don't have don't have a policy on it at all some some basically suspend people if there's a conviction some people would suspend base some companies with suspend based on a rest, there's a lot of Orion. So we tend to hold these hold the NFL to even higher standards and what our own corporations do. But with that said, you know that sensitivity in terms of the public is sometimes creates a need to drop players just based on the term. And when you look at Preston Williams what he did was wrong. Very clearly let me point that up. But from what I read in the police report, it was basically, he got an argument. He's a young kid got an arguments girlfriend girlfriend wanted to leave the apartment, and he blocked the doorway and tried to hold her from the doorway didn't hit her than pusher. Didn't do any bodily harm to her. Now, I'm not saying that holding someone back from the holding from there will being threatening on that level. Is not wrong. It's definitely wrong. He definitely deserves to be arrested. He definitely deserved to be punished. But it's it's different than say. There's a different degree of that say tyreek hill on strangling his pregnant girlfriend, you know, or Dede Westbrook kicking or strangling his pregnant girlfriend. You know, these are very difficult subject matters. But you know, if you wanna have a more in depth thought about this. I actually talked with a Serapis to works with people who you know, who have been perpetrators in these issues in domestic violence or assault in the past. And and I've had him give his takes on Myers p podcast, you know, about this. And how it relates to the NFL, but Williams has gone through counseling? His teammates said he was a sketchy guy at Colorado state when he arrived. He's become a much different guy since that time. They've seen him grow up a lot. If there's a. Team that want to giants feel like they wanna take a chance on the guy like that. Preston Williams would be that guide that might be worthwhile in the fourth round one. Last guy wanna mention, and I have a feeling that this is the guy to say that I I'm pretty sure from my sources that that the giants are very interested in this guy. And I'll just leave it at that. He is at Monmouth Monmouth, I don't know how to pronounce a month university. And that's that's Reggie White junior. Reggie White junior is about the dimensions of Marvin Jones of the Detroit Lions. He's about six two a little over two hundred pounds. He is extremely quick. He is fast enough. I mean you look at his game. And let me see can pull up his information here because he is he's an excellent young player that okay? He's runs a four four five forty. So he has the deep speed. You're looking for is a four point. Oh, seven twenty shuttle, which is very good. You know, nearly caliber in that in that range six seven seven three cone drill. And that is as good that's actually better than that's as good as miles boykin who was the top guy in that area. So he's quick he accelerates. Well, he's fast enough to get deep on you. And he wins the ball with grace winning the ball and tight coverage. Extremely well. And I've heard scout say that he's the best prospect ever plant, mama, and that's includes miles Austin played there. I think he can be that possession plus player who could either play flanker split in win. Contested catches be a red zone threat. When after the cash they liked to see him be a little bit more physical, and they like to see evidence of step up and be that big play guy. But I think he's going to get drafted late. And I would not be shocked at all the giants are looking at him. Look at you coming on the podcast and breaking some giants news look at that. Away something I sleep for a couple of weeks. So, and I and I can tell you I can't tell you that there's interest there. I I know I can't go into detail who in why? But I know that I know who was there. And I know what they were looking for. And I know that it was a very special case for them to be there. And you're talking about you're talking about like at at a local pro day on. Yes. And so I know that there were people there that that were very interested in him. And that you know, you wouldn't normally see some of those people there, and I'll just say that the, you know, the giants pick him I would not be surprised at all if they can get their hands on. Interesting stuff as always met. We always appreciate you coming on and break in these breaking these prospects down, and you know, now now you've set a new bar 'cause now you're coming on here. Breaking some news. Listen, I don't normally get this stuff. And I don't end when I do I don't know normally share it. But this is one where I can feel comfortable sharing this one just enough that that that's it. But I'm not normally the insider type guy with that. I just breakdown prospects just happen to know this one. All right. Hey, why don't you? You know, we did this last week. But or two go ahead in in, you know, let people know about your website and your draft guide again before I let you go. Sure, you know, you can find my draft guide. Mount Waldman dot com, and you get there's a tour of my draft guide the pre and post draft additions of that that you can look at from the past and the you can find my work at WWW dot Matt Waldman, R S, P dot com that provides links to my YouTube channel, the ours p film room and a lots of different analysis for myself and Mark Scofield as well Scott Bischoff, occasionally, some work from him and. And and then the dish into that. I've a podcast, and I found out my podcast broke the top one fifty in in sports and recreation recently, and that was and that's the ours p cast about while ours p tasks so you can kind of find my work at those three ranges, and you can find me at Twitter at Matt Waldman. All right. Thank you very much meant in. We will you know, when the giants draft Reggie junior. We're gonna have to give you a shout out. And you know, make sure that the world knows that that you had it. I. Okay. All right. Thanks. Thanks again. And we'll talk to you later. All right. 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"If ____ Happens, Then ____" (07/20 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from CBS sports. It's time to dominate your fantasy, league. Here's some combination of Adam Dave Jamie Heath Ben. Dave Richard and I get into a pizza eating contest. Then there would be a surprise winner and upset victory. If. Comings and I compete in a forty yard dash. They'll be upset victory. Just throw that out there. I would wear. Upset if I beat you in a contest. No, I would think. Yeah, you're like a decade younger than me and thirty pounds lighter than me and you think that would be favored in a forty yard dash. Inches taller than I am and everybody would pick you to beat me everybody. would. I. Just. got. Back here if blank happens then blank, that's Today's show. If this guy gets injured and this guy's going to be awesome, you know we'll. We'll see I. don't really know what the guys have in store. Actually chose to ignore what you sent in I wanna be surprised when I hear what what you come up with today. Show wants them spontaneity. We have heath with an adviser stat. Fun. About. The lions and we've got a lot of your your fill in the blanks for if blank happens then blank on twitter, and on facebook and Ben stragglers back. Man. How was your week off Sir? What's up? It was great I missed. All the is. But yeah, we go. You know you haven't been here long enough to I. Guess You have. It's been a year right? Yeah, it's been long enough. You can rib me then. That's fine You already drafted your home league. Home League Sixteen teamer. It was interesting. How to go. I kept Michael Thomas, so. That was great, but I had to take del at the end of the first round because wide receivers were that bear. And it wasn't pretty. Was Okay so Thomas Becker who you're running backs, Thomas Beckham Chris Carson Mark Ingram Ingram is just for the trade bloc. I'm going to get rid of him and then keyshawn Vaughn and Marlon Mac for the flex. All Right Sixteen Sixteen teams right? Not Bad. Sixteen team league had to take drew brees at quarterback has the twelfth quarterback, but asked the guy who's like a top ten quarterback every year to be my starter Oh. All. Right, but yeah. The the real question is I'm the commissioner we gotTA decide. When is the date that you're not going to be willing to count the results is? Is it the week the playoffs week fourteen if the season only goes eight weeks series on the money. What did you guys think? I think if the season goes halfway accounts. In, what way like whoever has the most wins right? Determined by however you do your playoffs eatings, so if your savings or by points scored whoever scores the most points when the seasons called is your champion. Or if it's by win, loss record first and then points is the tiebreaker. Then you do it that way. Jamie would think. I had three basketball. League Fancy Basketball Leagues I played in two of them. I run. One of them. Is bonuses throughout the season? And so they made it to the start of the playoffs. Both of all three of the basketball league mid started wine. Play offs were just starting when the season was put on hold, I just thought everybody risk because of eight games left. That, they were gonNA. Play or you know still to play. It just made sense to give everybody their money back the warm with the bonuses. There was a lot of back and forth. I just did the same thing. You just don't count it. As the season being played the third one I'm not the commissioner and the Commissioner decided since the teams had made it to the playoffs just to pay the teams that made it to the playoffs. And split the pot evenly with. Tearing it based on first place down the six place, so I thought that was probably the most fair way to do it. The one that made the playoffs out the bonuses. It was such a small buyin. That I just thought everybody. Let's just keep your money and not really make it. A headache of having tried figured out the bonuses. One was crazy, trying to figure out for the teams that weren't in the playoffs. They GonNa pay you know it was. It was too much of a hassle. Whatever you do, you need to be very very clear at the beginning of the year. Come prepared for every scenario. Commissioner of Baseball League I. Just set it up. I said if the season's canceled before the end of the six six scoring period, no money will be paid if it's canceled at or at the end of sees me at or after the end of the six going period, but before the fantasy place conclude the top four teams will split the money evenly, and there's more and more, but have all of these scenarios in your mind so that there's no confusion. I guess And there you go I would even. I, just just be very specific and lay it out, so there's no no confusion during the season. And maybe this is probably a good year to not have people pay until. Payouts are do like. You know like Jamie League I guess typically. Jamie's case in a normal year. All really is he's I graded your as style. Last night I gave it an a plus go ahead. I appreciate that no I was just thinking because we talk a lot. We've had the Kennedy goal it. A Marvin Jones argument a lot and I think it's mostly just framing a bad way. Everyone agrees that can go as the number one. It's just I think they're very very close. If you look at Matthew. Stafford Kennedy and Marvin Jones and the twenty eight games. They've played together over the past three seasons. Sixteen Game Pay Stafford's at forty four hundred yards. Thirty Eight touchdowns, eleven interceptions, probably the biggest takeaway from this whole thing. Is that when Stafford has played with both Golladay and Jones, he's been like a top five fantasy quarterback. Golladay, fifty eight catches, nine hundred eighty one yards, eight touchdowns on ninety eight targets. Marvin Jones Sixty, three, nine, sixty, nine, and ten on one hundred targets right? That is not the stat. I gave an eight plus to you. Had you had to eliminate? Rookie year got. To make it a even better data you take away. His rookie year because rookie production doesn't couch seventeen games together over the past two years. Marvin Jones has three more catches can go at a has one hundred and ninety more yards, and they have the same number of touchdowns. Go at thirteen more targets and Stafford's at forty six hundred yards and thirty three touchdowns. TEMP. That's a lot. That's very good. Yeah, I've Stafford is. The is a good takeaway. There was eye opening stuff. Yeah, he's if he's himself. He's going to be a great value late on draft day, and he's not the only one that we're GonNa talk about today as far as quarterbacks go. Here's my problem with Golladay versus Marvin Jones because at the end the year. Their stats always look good. I feel Golladay is more consistent. And Jones will have like one or two weeks where he's up against the Vikings and we think he's GonNa. Be Terrible, and then he goes off four touchdowns in those games, and outside of that like if you're looking for ten P. PR, points, I think he's fine, but if you're if you're looking fifteen plus. Get Day. He's not going to get you there very often. Yeah I. Just think they're probably shouldn't be seven round separating them. I don't think there are seven around separating them. Is that what the P. says? When I get home around three Peggy, Jones is probably like around eight. Yeah, so there might be Fi- five rounds might be too many. Jones's NPR I. Think Jones is a very good bench receiver where you're not gonNA. Be, ticked off having to start. You'RE GONNA. Probably pick the wrong to play them I. think that's a day was listening to about seventy during the Vikings Rick, I think he's on, but even if it's the wrong week, at least it's ten P P R points. If you expect NPR points, which you can expect from fifty different receivers, like at least you've got that. It's a safe floor or MIA concern would be. He's thirty now. He knows last year. Sign of a you know maybe the start of a breakdown coming for him. My my concern with Jones. It's small, but you know it's something to take into. Account is if Hopkinson is better? Does it take away from both of them or to take away from one of them and I think you'll take away from both of them a little bit if he's good sophomore tie-down like we see from some of these top your talents when they come into the NFL. You know their second year is when they start to take off. He's still dealing with an injury Hopkinson but. You know! Is he going to? It's going to take touchdowns away from both of these guys, and so after what they showed us last year Leeann, the NFL in touchdown receptions, and you know Jones certainly is sort of. I think touchdown dependent to a certain extent. To help his his fantasy value. Like all day, but The value for Jones is just just amazing. That's the thing I think you WanNa. Look at him as if you're getting him as your third receiver. Ben shrager was banned was on because what he said a few weeks ago that he would never draft him because you never start Marvin Jones that was located. Well, do you WanNa Guess Marvin Jones Star percentage was when he had four touchdowns. Probably very small because it was the vikings. Twenty five percent I swear to God I was about to say twenty twenty five percent of God. I gotta ask this question over the weekend. Because I think it was the NFL's twitter site. tweeted out the Willfuller game last year. And I mean we tweeted healthy. Where he caught touchdowns. The three. One where he caught all does touch no one where he scored fifty four fantasy points. Yeah, okay. And how many people started him that week and I'm GonNa get same thing I. think it was in the forties of our call, but I will check that right now, and this is why the ultimate as our stat is going to be started. Fantasy points which I'm going to start compiling this year swimming. I can do it and it doesn't take that much work. But yeah. I believe four weeks. I believe I. Know I mean it should be fairly easy if I can get someone to export the data for me, but. I can't do that. Someone does the work up and get the job. I can't say there's no way I can look at the star percentage of every player. That's just I can't do that but I think Marvin Jones would probably rank pretty low on a list like that. That's that's what I'm going to try to find out. And I'll look up. We'll fuller. Give me a minute on that, let's go to. Let's promote a few things here. Oh Poker night! Oh Great! Geez what I I mean I got I needed to do myself. I fold a straight flush last night. The best hand I've ever lived hat and I fold. It is bad. Okay about I. Play full the straight flush. folded. What ended up being a straight flush? I played last night on faded spayed. With some friends and I got dealt four five diamonds. 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When you get nominated there, we want to win the sports category or People's choice, but I think it's podcast award. Slash APP slash. Sign Up Zara Draghi. Okay podcast awards. Dot Com slash APP slash? Dot Com and there, but the link is in the episode description and help us out. So news notes. So you just some covert stuff. Players coat. We thought that they might have to miss a minimum of three weeks. That is not the case if they test positive, I think it's still to be determined, but it's not a minimum of three weeks as of right now. Adam I think it's going to be case by case basis. Where if you if you test negative enough after one week? For some reason, maybe you get some really good treatment than you can go back and play I believe the three weeks thing was the maximum. They have to be returned to the active roster within three weeks. Okay. Russell Gauge expected to secure the number three receiver role for the Falcons that's according to their team website. That's cool. Is He just like a fourteen team in deeper Kinda player. Russell Gauge Yup I took them in the fishbowl with. Dave in pick all right, hey! Yeah Right and Dallas Defensive End demarcus Lawrence is considering not reporting to camp. He has a pregnant wife. We're GONNA. See A lot of this dealing with it in baseball. Didn't turn out to be so bad in baseball. But you know they're gonNA be some players that just don't play and we have to deal with it. Make sense to wait. Delay Your draft as much as you can I think. and we'll just keep monitoring following the news. Here we go I asked you for two. If blank happens then blank. He's Kim Your I? If Cam Newton plays sixteen games then he will be a top five fantasy quarterback. Reactions. I moved him up about the thirteenth in my rankings I think there's a lot of you know when you get to these numbers two quarterbacks, you're looking for the guy that has most upset and I think he has the most upset. I, don't know if he can still do it. I really don't. There's no question that I I'm not worried about the Patriots trying to force him to do what Tom Brady did. I'm positive that they will come up with ways to use Cam Newton. That are favorable for Cam Newton. He hasn't done it since twenty seventeen ads, not true. What do you mean the twenty eight and eighteen week fifteen? When he got hurt, he was the number six quarterback. Okay CBS Fantasy Leagues. Eight percent of his passes, and it run for four hundred eighty eight yards already, he was a very good great starting quarterback leading points per game. He was right there to. The I don't I don't know I was number six when he got hurt. Well. So. If you Reagan thirteenth or higher than that in our draft, you're gonNA. Get them ahead of me I. Don't mind getting them with the late pick as the second quarterback, but he's not going to be my first choice for. One of those number, two quarterbacks drafted mauve Aaron Rodgers. WHO WHO You know it's funny, I could see that. But. It's guys like Daniel Jones especially. Daniel Jones like I. Feel like his upside is crazy, I would. Miss on that I'd I'd rather get out than Cam, right? That's what I don't know is why we didn't like if we're just talking, we're not talking about like the risk of Cam, being hurt or missing time where the risk of Canada's not earning able to figure out the new. England thing, but if we're only talking upside, why would we think that Daniel Jones has more upside than given because I Moved that I made I had Daniel Don's thirteenth and I. Flip flip-flopped him with because I think if Newton hits. He's going to be better than Dana does. If they don't if if they both hit. I'm still going to take Jones because I think he's younger I think that his Hilby he won't run for as many yards vital. Throw for more yards than CAM. Better receiving core around him. I'm I'm taking I'm going with you here. I'm going take Jones. All right so Jamie. Give me your I if blank happens then blank. It's funny because I was going back and forth between Camden and tyrod. Taylor on this, but if Taylor starts, thirteen and more games will be a top ten quarterback. Said more of a bold prediction or you believe that. I believe it. I think if he starts thirteen and more game, so he'll, he'll run for enough production. He'll throw for an it's. It's the rushing. It's it's why Daniel Jones is why Cam, Newton it's why Taylor. It's why these guys that. If you're going to take shots on number two quarterbacks, you're doing it for that or you're dealing with somebody like robbers Burger, who has a chance to throw for forty five hundred yards or more and thirty touchdowns? Those are the guys that you look for so i. do think Taylor is the starter for the majority of the season. If you took him in the fishbowl. You took him into super flex. We took him the to quarterback late. You're going to be thrilled to have that type of player on your roster. Because of what they do, the added bonus. He's got two years on his Kerr on his resume of over five hundred rushing yards already over four touchdowns. You know so if he's going to. To get that type of production with you know three thousand passing yards and twenty plus touchdowns with his offense I think it'll be good so again. He's behind these other guys that we've just talked about Cam and Daniel Jones and again I'll throw rothlisberger. He should be behind Rogers to, but if you were to say if a evangeline came out before training, cabin said. Were sitting just in Herbert barring an emergency to make sure he's ready for twenty twenty one. Taylor will be ahead Aaron Rodgers from me and my rings. Oh Gosh man, but he's. He's never been top ten on a per game basis. He's never had this much town around. I guess, but you know the other thing is. We have a lot more running quarterbacks than we did in two thousand fifteen. That's my perception now when you get to the number, two guys though like Menchu's there, too. Right, but you're making him top ten in I've been making them a number two. I'm not. GonNa I'M NOT GONNA. Drop them top ten. Finish okay, I mean he. He was basically thirteenth in two thousand fifteen per game. Haven't been the same spots have were Minzhu and And Cameron and Daniel. All right any follow guys too that. tyrod Taylor. No I think that's I think it's it's very possible that he starts more than thirteen games if he stays healthy and the charges are rolling. Remember everything about the chargers improved this year except for quarterback, right, the defense has gotten better. The offensive line's been improved at. We'll see about the run game, so if if Iraq comes in there. And he's seventy percent of what Philip rivers was last year, whereas Philip. Rivers wasn't as great as usually is last year. They're not going to bench him. They're not gonNA say thanks for helping US win nine games. We're GONNA move to the kid now. They're going to ride them until. They. My son's is over. They're going to ride them, okay. Dave start a new sentence. GimMe Your I. if blank happens then blank. Let's keep up the quarterback theme if Cooper Cup Robert Woods and Tyler higby do what we think they're going to do. Then we're all GONNA look silly. Having Jared Goff ranked so low. and. I'm I'm starting to think that golf is going to be one of these amazing bargains on draft day where people just they were chasing after running quarterbacks and veteran quarterbacks have been doing it for a long time for very good reason. But if Gotha surrounded by all this talent, if the run game really doesn't pick up. And, do you really think that there's going to be running back on the scene? The scores Fourteen touchdowns I. Don't think so I. Think Jared Goff might be one of those quarterbacks. We should be targeting late. Had four awful game last year again in, were they against? Baltimore Chicago Pittsburgh, in those four games. He combined for twelve fantasy points. So four games, the average three points per game. If you throw out those four games, he was around twenty three points per game for the season. And there's there's that point so throughout. Names that he had had twenty three points for the season the second time he faced Francisco scored twenty three fantasy books, so I would say what Dave says one hundred ten accurate. There's two schools of thought and in our fantasy football magazine that comes out. In August bengals wrote about this, and he's talked about this a lot. I think it's one hundred percent. Accurate is the two things you look for when you're taking the number. Two quarterback is high volume, passing rushing and so rothlisberger offer me or the two guys that are going to throw a lot. He went put staff from the category. If he's going to go past the number one guys than throw him in there, too. Otherwise. You're looking for rushing, so yeah golf is going to have a great season if he's just better than what he showed last year and Dave was on the show. Last week when Ben had his trivia question I, think it was you did Adam about the the only, or who out who allowed a few sacks me, yeah. That was the rams. The shocking incident, addy offensive line was last year that Golf wasn't sacked as much. But. You know speaking of Covid Whitworth had already. Thankfully, he's okays. Entire family had. It and they're left tackle centered it to I'm sorry. They're center Brian Allen okay, so they're going to members and you know we don't know the. The full scope of with is gonNA come back or not, but as I think we we understand now may not so that could be good. You mean getting again. Not that not that the virus will come now like we're GONNA have a second wave you mean like. Can players get it again? That's what you're say. Players get it again. You've been told that they can. According to a report right but it. But, we've heard the experts say you know you should have some immunity to it so I get what you're saying. Yes, but I guess what I'm getting at is often lines healthy. Yes, and if the same group you know they, they did a good job in terms of pass protection so. Golf with his weapons could be really cool. Yeah go ahead. I struggle with golf, and the Rams, and the number of has attemps just because and we've talked about this in regards to tyler, higby and target share. The way that Sean, mcvay changes his offense from a year to year or week to week basis. They threw five hundred eighteen passes in two thousand seventeen through six thirty one last year. different pretty close to League. Average was the big difference though they had a great running back in two, thousand, seventeen, the best, running back and football, he had a much bigger workload. Deneen, he had like two hundred twenty s carries or something last year I mean he was a much bigger workload because a they ran the ball or the ball, a lot more share. Their offensive line was awesome than, but they were also really good. Seventeen here's where they've been in scoring defense in the last three bowl in two thousand, eighteen, three hundred yet, but here's where they've been scoring defense last three years twelfth twentieth and seventeenth, so they haven't really had a great scoring defense which might influence how many times they throw the ball. They threw the ball last year, and he had a three point, four percent, touchdown, rate, or something like that, and if he had had his normal touchdown rate of five point seven percent. He would've thrown thirty five point. Six touchdown passes by the number four quarterback, basically tied with the Shawn, Watson and six point per passing touchdown. These jared Goff there are so many quarterback she should wait on. We've already talked about like five. A surround to you ready. If blank happens then blank. Heath Europe. If Adam. Gays gets fired before week. Five Levy on bell will be a top twelve running back. We laugh at people. Getting fired I don't want him to get fire, but he's like his contracts guaranteed. He's he's made lots of money. Not Hoping He. It's fire, but they start off at Buffalo, forty niners at home at the colts. Thorough in three they have denver coming weeks before. They get beat by the Broncos at home and start. Oh. And four and it might be the end of the Adam gay tenure. It's going to happen at the end of the day so i. do think if they don't give the ball of Frank Gore twelve times. A game and levy on bell gets a heavy workload then he's going to regress in the efficiency and he's going to have a much better season. So who takes over as the interim coach? If he gets fired, gotTa be Greg Williams. Right so now it's going to be Dowell loggains calling the plays for the jets. It's the same playbook and basically the same philosophies. As Adam Gates would have I. think he's point would be that. Ghaith will screw with eleven may maybe whereas the other coaches? Won't you know what might help if gas gets fired trading Lebanon Bell before the deadline? If he does. It well either way if they say the more likely if he doesn't get fired that they tried, but if they suck, it's more likely that case gets fired where I think it's going to take a lot for coach. Get fire early in the season under the current circumstances that we're dealing with. Yeah that makes sense right. That's a good point I guess is the jets. I mean they hired him, you know. When you're in a little mini revival row revolt near season right. Mr. Adams so great over there jets land all right. Let me I'm bell. Would you say top? What if Top twelve. Okay Jamie around to. If Darwin gets eighty five plus targets. He will be taught then he will be a top twelve title. I made it wouldn't get lester eighty-three. Yeah, so it's not out of the. Question One hundred ninety targets available with. Randall COBB, Jason Witten Dave on Austin gone, and so CD Lamb Simpson expected to get maybe close to one hundred of that, and so you know. Is there another receiver GonNa Command, a ton of targets or just the twenty four, so that David Austin left cedric and the rest of the group there, so you know Darwin. He's better than what we did. Win was sixty, three, five, twenty, nine, four on those eighty-three targets, but you essentially need about eighty-five targets to tight end. And I think he's going to get there so I haven't ranked as a as a number twelve right now. I think he's a in that group of those number. Two guys that we've talked about with the Seki and fan and Johnny Smith and J Serger and Hopkinson. All these guys that have. The potential to be a number one guy, but there is i. think a clear path for Darwin based on what this offenses and what? What role he's stepping into. Yeah, I like this. I think what people overlook sometimes when they talk about the COBB and the Whitton targets and lamb and jar when shopping up, as German had forty one of his own last year. So it's not like you're eighty five more targets than they did last year. Usually it's forty four more than he did not going to have the rest and you'll Dak has averaged one hundred six point five targets per year just to as tight, ends the lowest number in the last four years ninety two targets, and that was when Witton was in the broadcast booth so at the flames. Targets in Dallas is ninety to the good old. A huge share of that then we're hitting eighty five targets, Jason witten in the broadcast booth all right levy on Bell Blake Darwin and Dave Finish off around two. If his training regimen is as detailed and focused as his trainer suggests than Ronald Jones will be league winner this year Ooh are you got some insight there right? I talked to his trainer. Luke Neil. He also trains Jamal Williams and you'll expect a trainer to be overly positive about his guys. No matter what and that was the case with Ronald Jones, but he's up to two hundred and twenty five pounds I know we're always worried about when running back gains weight. Look Neal is also his chef, so he's cooking for for Jones and he insists that Jones is on a very strict diet, and that the difference between good weight and bad wait the diets I could attest to, although I'm not. A professional athlete runs for a yard. He's been working on pass protection every single day. He's been working on his receiving every single day. He's running with great bursts, and just one last point on the whole weight came thing last year he trained with Luton Neal. He went from two hundred six pounds to I think two hundred eighteen pounds of thirteen bound game, and he was still running right in the four four range, and if you go back and watch his film from last year, plenty of examples of him running with explosiveness, so if that keeps up. Up and he gained less weight this off season than Ronald Jones is going to have speed on his side, and if the past protection really plays out form, then he's going to be on the field for Tampa Bay last week. I talked about how I thought it was crazy. That Jamie spent around five pick on Ronald. Jones I'm thinking there's a chance that might not be so crazy and that if we do catch glimpses of him in training camp. That might be too late to get Ronald Jones this year. So you're saying, he's added like nineteen pounds was it may have missed over the last into seeing seasons. He's gone from two Oh six to two twenty five. He did not do it in one off. See Yeah, that's that's six to to. like to eighteen something like that right? And then he went from to eighteen to twenty five, so we actually put on less weight this off season, but he still as explosive. We have to wait and see like just how things shake out and training camp, but I'm. I'm getting a little bit excited about where Ronald Jones is at and what he can actually contribute to Tampa Bay's run game. So, he had one hundred and seventy two carries last year Ronald, Jones and six of that went for twenty or more yards. Whereas Levian Bell had. How many carries and none of them went for for that many for twenty yards, two, hundred, forty five. That's a pretty good number by the way six carries of twenty or more yards for Ferrall Jones. That's impressive. Okay? Because I almost had a Ronald Jones, if I was going to say if Ronald, Jones, still can't block. Dario Goumba Wall I might be James White and that's something to worry about is that Goumba Wally could still be in that James. What role if Jones doesn't prove it in Cap, and that means Jones, and Vaughn could split the rest of the work I would just imagine that Jones would have enough of a grip to begin the season to limit Vaughn delake. Five to seven touches per game Max to begin the year. I I've moved on way down in my rankings. Okay Let's Let's go through some ADP. The players we talked about here. In qb twenty since July first. What's that all about? There are people who just don't want to deal with it because they're worried about the injuries. They're worried about him. Not Fitting in look. The first thing I thought because I wasn't on the PODCASTS I was in Chicago. When you when Cam signed with New England, the first thing I thought is how can you argue him as a bad late round pick? It's just a matter of. Where does he stack up amongst all the other late round quarterback picks, and do you even want to carry two quarterbacks, yeah. You Know I. Think Most People Will WanNa. Carry Two quarterbacks especially this year right exactly the whole Verona virus, so he's not a bad late round. Pick I. I. Don't know if I want to invest so much in him like getting him before round nine. I think that's I. think that's ludicrous. If it's the double digit rounds at Pook, fight you on it. He's got that kind of upside. And if you're wrong, Wolf Daisy, you cut them, and you go to the war, and you pick up a drew locker Ryan Tannehill, or whoever's there? tyrod Taylor's qb thirty right now going after Sam. darnold, Derek Carr Dwayne Haskins. And Jared Goff is qb. Seventeen goes rothlisberger. Golf Borough Tannahill Cam. And then let's see the other players. We talked about Levy Mbelle. Third Round pick the end of the third round, thirty sixth overall inbetween James Connor. And Uh David Johnson will be the next running back off the board. How about that? James Caan on bells. Twenty four or something. I'm not one hundred percent positives. I don't have it just running backs, but I can. Is GonNA move up. Bells running back twenty. Ronald Jones is rb. Thirty two Damian Williams JK Dobbins Ronald Jones James White. Decision in I. Think talked about this in the fishbowl of Damian, Williams and Ronald. Jones took Jones because I think there's more. Upside for him to be the lead guy in Tampa as we talked about then Damian holding onto the job for the full season, but it's it's something I struggle with, and hopefully what regret? And how about this run of tight ends here? Fifteen through teen TJ Hopkinson Noah. Fan Johnny Smith Jack Doyle Blake Jargon Hopkinson Fan Johnny Smith Jack Doyle Blake, Darwin. WHO's your favorite? Dr Dr. I think I have. Johnny ranked the highest of them all. 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If blank happens than Blake from men it if green is healthy, then Joe Borough will throw for four thousand plus yards second to look in rookie passing yard history. Seems. I would say. You pick now. He's going around six. I mean that's not bad for. Fact he's now committing himself to four more years. Apply AJ Green. What were you saying he's? I think I have. A job rope play sixteen games over four thousand or If Josh Jacobs from Josh F. IF JOSH JACOBS GETS forty catches, he will be worth a first round, pick and PR. Great. Now I think nothing. Is that much? Yeah that sounds good. I mean forty. He beat the top ten fantasy running back PR. Is that basically what we're saying? Think. That's pretty logical. From Mad. Should just wear my glasses I can't ever read anything mad. ISM IF I play fantasy. If I play fantasy I'll have a winning record and still missed the playoffs. That's not good. No I. Don't agree winning record. You'RE GONNA. Make the playoffs think positively mad, ISM! Sorry I messed up Craig's still Kareem Hunt plays more than ten weeks. Nick Shovel, not be a top fifteen running back this season. Wrong. Than what the format is I don't think that that's right. Just Kareem Hunt plays. Yeah, because what he just gets the same light workload. Last year he was getting around ten touches per game, but was job during the eight weeks that. I think he was sixteenth or seventeenth. VR, I think that's true. I think trouble be just fine. If hunts knocking a lot of work I think the seems to run more this year and yeah, I only getting I'm gonNA work load than trump's gonna get the rest i. think that would be. The floor is sixteen, so he's still somebody you're drafting in round two and PR, but I think it hurts him as we saw. Our, this is from Donny's take Jubran gets hurt. Jameis Winston is a top three fantasy option. Who of mill doesn't get in the way? I think it's. First of all it makes Michael Thomas even safer and having the you know one of the best backups, but and I'd say jared cook whatever, but is it worth if you draft drew brees? Is it worth just taking Jameis, Winston? The last pick. Not In. One of our standard leagues where you only have five bench spots, right? This is another special Cova Year type of thing that commissioners have to consider and I'll bang the drum for this all day. You should have extra roster spots in your league. Go deeper in your drafts, but that doesn't that. Make the waiver wire that much harder. If somebody gets, it may be, but it's at the very least it'll give all the managers in your league. League the opportunity to safely handcuff players if they so choose so that they can't complain on Sunday morning. I don't have a quarterback as Mike is not available to play, well, give them at least the opportunity to go and do it, and if you're worried about the waiver where being light than enforce one of those roster spots to be the backup quarterback, where if you drafter breeze? You automatically James on your roster for however long you have drew brees. I am leaning more and more. This is not this is off subject, but I'm leaning more and more towards not expanding rosters giving Cova Dr Spots and allowing people to make first come for serve waiver ads after fabrics. I think it's a smart way to do it I'll I'll just go back to something I said about the quarterback position. I think it's easy to say if the starter goes out unexpectedly. Sunday morning Saturday night. Whatever the case may be, they test positive. You can use the Tq be for that, we. The only thing is. I mean that someone can't roster to or herber. No, no. If? They're available like. Two quarterbacks on your also your fine, but you know I don't want to force somebody that has to five bench boss. They don't WanNa. Carry Two quarterbacks. Don't carry two quarterbacks. That's why you give more bench spots so that they can carry more. Again in our free leagues. You can't do that. Okay! from grant Hansel if Andrei Dillard, that's the offensive tackle for the eagles lives up to his potential Carson, wentz could be the NFL MVP and a top three fantasy quarterback. I put this one in there because. We've had this idea in our mind for a few years. The Eagles have a great offensive line. Well now they have a new left tackle, and they're all left. TACKLE IS GONNA play left to right guard on Brandenburg. Like regard so and he's like a really old player. You know they might not have such a great offensive line, so I think that this is an important one to look at here if Andre Dillard lives up to his potential Carson. wentz could be the NFL MVP and a top three fantasy quarterback. Seventeen. He was the top three quarterback on a per game basis. and. He was an MVP candidate for tourists. Yeah, yeah, but do they need. Andre door to live up to his potential. I. Mean certainly would help help and Jason Peters can be a suitable right guard. It would help if. The receiving core is healthy. Tight ends continue to produce in the running. Backs are good other back. It's all going to have to come together at a very high level, but. I don't know what the odds are for him to win. MVP, but it's probably not a bad. Bet. Given what you know, the the upside it hits, but you know I don't think anybody's GonNa vote for him over mahomes or Lamar Jackson. The guys that are there, but from fancy perspective. I mean he's. He's got top ten upside of non higher. If everything comes together, you know what what he was able to accomplish. Last year was was pretty remarkable with as receiving core, completely falling apart, and he was still serviceable fantasy quarterback down stretch. His upside was capped, but that's the hope. Is that raiders good? Jackson's back Jeffrey may be back in some capacity, and it all comes together for him, so he's a he's. He's a very good fantasy value for. K similar line of thinking here from Brad stokely if the browns offensive line plays well, Baker Mayfield is an MVP candidate and the Browns win at least one playoff game. They're not gonNA throw up for that. Yeah, that's my biggest concern. I think he'll be very efficient. But I don't see him. You guys are taking all of your assumptions from what Kevin Fancy did with the Vikings under a mandate to run the ball more from a coach. Who loves the man? Run the ball. We slated a fullback as soon as the job. And then what would you do? What would you do? If Nick Shiben Kareem Hunt? Beckham Jarvis Landry and the former number one overall pick at quarterback. All, that last year, and did you make the playoffs? No, okay. They ran the. Atom I. See your point, but it's not like Adam deal, and it's the findings are bad receivers. You Know Irv Smith and. Offer back for the Vikings they had the seventh best scoring defense in Football I. Think the Browns were nineteen or twenty. I do think the browns deal. Or this year but I don't know that they're going to be atop seven defense. It's not identical, but I think the formula and. You know the NFL Copycat League how you WANNA frame it. There aren't very many mahomes, but there are a lot of teams that can run the ball, and you know Baltimore how they did. It was different, but San Francisco was the best rushing team last year aside from that and. Copy that Green Bay was very successful running the ball last year, so today's point, you have to great running backs. They invest in their offense. Align with two pretty big pieces with works and and and Conklin and so now you have you know better protection upfront. Baker is going to have a big bounceback season because he was very accurate in college in this. This offense is GonNa have a lot of quick throws in it, so his completion percentage. Come up if he's going to be an MVP can't. He's gotta be forty touchdowns. If that's realistic in this offense, and so that's the Prom 'cause. He's not throwing for five thousand yards. He's not throwing for forty five hundred plus no I know if he's four thousand and forty Kennett. Maybe, but that's A. that's a huge leap. I wasn't right the he's not GonNa win MVP. I'm just saying like. This and I'm just not sure that that they're going to be quite as heavy as oh, they're not but. They threw four hundred and sixty six passes last year. League median was five hundred and seventy-five. Like I've got. A MINNESOTA! Bright and Cleveland even was pretty slow and more run heavy than you would anticipate for a team. That was that bad I've got five hundred and thirty passage since That's not enough to win MVP unless you're just now. Badger? Rome's unless you're margins. Bruce catch like double digit touchdowns than they might be in the MVP conversation all right couple more here on twitter from Chad Josh Allens. Accuracy improves than the bills will be super bowl champs. Said if Josh Allen. Grew! Hey and improved year like five percentage points Cam Newton Cam Newton. With North Turner? What two thousand seventeen? He had his best accurate. Dinkum dunking a lot more, he was. Maybe that's what Josh Allen needs to. Maybe they just seem to say. Hey, dude, stop chuckling at long and then his accuracy. Absolutely improve visa storing inside of fifteen yards all the time. They could win the Super Bowl of Josh. Allen becomes a great player. Defense Great MOMS know. Patrick Mahomes to win the Super Bowl. Last year! He get hurt. More than just three games, you know so it could happen. I mean I think if Buffalo Division. We've seen the patriots bath to the playoffs. That's you know win. Get a by and and got to win one game. Patrick, mahomes Lamar Jackson get hurt and Cam Newton's not himself in the bills have a good chance of going to the room and according to sports, Info. On passes inside of fifteen yards, Josh Allen completed, was on target, not completed on target on seventy seven percent of them. That was twenty ninth best among quarterbacks with at least one hundred fifty such attempts. The bills have got to feel like this is their best team since Jim Kelly. Yes, okay that they are good. They are legitimately really good. They could go to the zoo okay last last date. They ride I with Josh Allen from Steve. If you only include games played on the third Sunday of November in the rain in cities west of Chicago on prime time, and don't include the second quarter, then Hashtag as or stats. Thank you Steve. That is a good one I to facebook. Thomas Boyd. If will fuller plays sixteen games than he will be top fifteen wide receiver. I'm not. Yeah That wasn't enthusiastic. No. I'm not as enthusiastic. Boy Are you enthusiasts from Seth Dear. Ben Rothlisberger stays healthy than Juju. Is Top seven wide receiver true? Yes. Combined Dave. nope can't sit. I think just. Top twelve I'll I'll go with it I. think he's my favorite player and fantasy this year like value. I mean if nothing around four. That's ridiculous. He's my Carlos Correa Non I. Don't know if that's necessarily. That's ludicrous. I don't even non PR. Parts Ludicrous. It's ludicrous, PR I don't think it has since July. First I'm going to hold on. I'll get his ADP. Let's see. Oh also I meant to look up the Willfuller Stat I always do this. I'll say I'll get to it. I. Never do all right. This is Charlie Herman if one of Justin Jackson or Josh Kelley Emerges as the undisputed number, two behind her, and that guy is a solid flex, a top thirty running back. True. Josh Kelly. Yeah I'm thinking. That's Kelly. Jude you is currently around four pick, but he's only wide receiver fourteen, so that probably means he's around three pick and a lot of drafts. Wide Receiver Fourteen for Juju. Right from Chris Giradi. If Leonard Fournette Plays Sixteen Games, he'll be a top seven running back. which team is the on probably true? No, I don't think that's true. Because if he stays Jackson Play Sixteen Games, I don't think there's any way he comes near Belle fell. Okay. He wasn't a top seven running back last year he was. He was like Bishou difference in PR. Pr I think he was like twelfth in non in seventh NPR, right, around there. But, of course they have Chris Thompson now, but of course he won't score three touchdowns on those touches. so He's thinking. Yes, and the others are thinking now. He was thirteenth in. Seventh NPR. From Robert Joseph, if Justin Herbert starts then Keenan Allen is back to being a wide receiver one. No! No I. Don't think I don't think Herbert or Toronto. Taylor can put Keenan now back as wide receiver one. Next from shown Mosier if Ryan Tannehill is for Real Johnny Smith is a top five tight end. None of targets. Yeah. Amended to top ten and I think he can be toward the bottom of the top ten. Okay. Trying to buy time to look Willfuller, start percentage here from July secure a quick. Yeah Nugget on Jamal Williams I. I would love to. So the trainer, Luke Neil, who I'd mentioned with Ronald. Jones is also training Jamal Williams. They're actually working out together every day and Arizona. And Jamaal Williams has focused this year on his hands, and apparently he's running routes as good as a receiver. This is one I feel like I. have to see to believe, but he's running routes like like a wide receiver he's. He's really Jomo Williams's like rededicating himself to be a better pass catcher. That's been his focus. Should really trade him. WHO's taking them? I would imagine some team will be looking at a player like him for depth by as a third running back. Would you rather have Williams Dario Wally. Especially Williams's is certainly catch passes, but he's in a contract year. I mean I'm talking like a sixth seventh round pick. Right right right right. Maybe he could be in the mix. Wouldn't Royce Freeman also be in that mix? Couldn't Leonard for Nurseryman is absolutely it'd be in that mix for sure and for net to not that people might take freeman or Williams over. Because the price for netted not Nymex. Think so. I think for nets feature guy. These guys are bankrupt. If. You're trading a sixth seventh round. Pick for any of these Jomo significant contract differences. You know for slow planning on. Unless you make Jacksonville eat the money. Okay so. I WANNA. Take a trip back to memory lane. October sixth. Two Thousand and nineteen I believe yes. We'll fuller restarted in forty one percent of leaks when he had fourteen catches two hundred seventeen yards and three touchdowns, also on that day Aaron Jones had nineteen carries one hundred seven yards and four rushing touchdowns plus seven catches for seventy five yards at Dallas. So I'm looking at our notes from that show David Heath, Ron with me on Sunday night. He your two winners, boy, Aaron, Jones and willful or your win. How did you come up with that? Show of chosen players that were worse, Dave chose Dj. cuyler Murray would've been great if you guys had that before. That would that would be how many? The week after Adam. Let's see. Let's check our notes from October I won't say somebody actually to me that that when when I when I said just stay healthy will fuller. Somebody said I started wolf over that week, but I got beat because of air. Interesting he was started in eighty three percent of leagues the next week, and he should have had a big game, but he dropped three touchdowns. He had five catches for forty four yards, nine targets at Kansas City. What about the week after that I want to know just the residual effect of that three touchdown game. Okay I wanted to people stick with them. Will Fuller a fun game, isn't it? Oh, he left with a hamstring injury the week after that in the first quarter, he was started in seventy eight percent of leagues. Okay, so as soon as you have one of these huge games. People just flock to you. Hoping that. It's going to happen every single week. Kind of evidence doesn't how could you take someone out of your light up when he just had four touchdown can't do it you. It's I think it's even more impressive that he was in forty percent of lineups. Yes, considering the our awful he had been for. The entire year so for. That was against Atlanta right. Yeah Yeah it was it was a good upside up three catches for twenty three yards against the panthers. That was the week before I don't think the painters were so bad against wide atoms. Four is big game the last. Maybe the last one here. To more from John Griffin, if chase Edmunds stays healthy, he'll take the job from Kenyan drake. Will I doubt it too, but I think drake hurt. Right. Do Think Edmonds could take some passing work like He. He was used more as a receiver in a slot receiver than drake was. He could take some of the passing from Greg for that could be interesting, but that's not how they operated last year there was only one game where the backup running backs combined for more than six touches in Arizona. But I do think that Edmonds I'm not convinced. Edmonds isn't the better talent then Kenyan drake. I'm just not sure if he's going to get an opportunity so long as drake is healthy, but I love the idea. If you'RE GONNA draft drake in Ron round to get chase edmunds put him on your bench and evil to get Jason. I'm even if you don't have trick. I will fuller in week four against Carolina. He was coming off of. Five catches for fifty one yards the week before he was started in twenty two percent of leaks right and game well adjusted to the matchup, but yeah, so then he gets the Falcons thirty nine fantasy points at non PR fifty three NPR. He started in forty one percent of leagues the next week he started in eighty percent of the something like that. He has five catches for forty four yards next week. He started in seventy eight percent of leagues, and he leaves with a hamstring injury in the first quarter, and he misses the next three games. Will Fuller at their. I don't necessarily agree I. DO think it was a little more consisted in two thousand eighteen. And I think he and he dropped those touchdowns against the chiefs. People would have been rewarded if he had just. Caught those touchdowns. Contract ear. The opportunity is there to be the number one guy I mean he's. He's going to be a great value. Yeah, this was eighteen. He had fifteen more points in three of seven games, ten or more non in four of seven games. That's. He had, but he had fourteen or more non. He had fourteen. Points in four of seven games, and that's pretty good. And an not just that he had three enormous games with over one hundred yards and a touchdown out of eight games. So, he had four. He had four good Games. He had one game that solid and he had to stinkers, and that was a really good year for him. So that's when I started to really like fuller. Actually. No I like going to the healthy yeah. Okay last one one the show. 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Week 2 Waiver Wire Pickups

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Week 2 Waiver Wire Pickups

"Welcome to the NFL talking heads fantasy football show here on your host Jeff carrier and Seth Wall everyone welcome to the NFL talking heads fantasy football podcast. I'm your host seth low joined by my side in Jeff carrier less. US episode is Ryan With Field Ryan. How's it going. It's going well about a month. It's been on so good to be back on back in the saddle so like I said no Jeff Jeff today he's in the film room at his house up in the man cave breaking down some week one film. He doesn't have any kids. Ed's so he's got plenty of time on his hands to be doing some some film review so we're we're. GonNa be talking about waiver pickups after week one a lot of interesting interesting names to cover but I wanted to get into the opening question. My opening question is what is your. What's your main one or two takeaways from week one after the much anticipated week one. NFL SLATE Games well. I think if I could put it in two parts parts one that we saw a lot of bad football this weekend so i. I don't know what the what the fixes here. Thursday night's game was was borderline unwatchable and that was that was far from the only game you know the it just sloppy play the preseason. There's so many guys sitting out the entire preseason now so again. I don't know what the answer answer is because we don't want to see guys going down on the preseason but you know the week. One Games are really tough to watch at times my my second takeaway. This probably frustrated a lot of people out. There and I am not typically this brash on on the Patriots. I wrote him off last year. They might go nineteen. Ano- that's all I'm GONNA say 'cause that that that defense forget the offense. I tweeted without Sunday night. Will the Patriots Ever Gopal touchdown again because they've now based the Pittsburgh steelers in the Los Angeles Rams back to back games spending two seasons giving up six points so so those are my big takeaways. I think they should extend the NFL season by a few games because nine thousand nine hundred the Patriots. I WanNa see the Patriots win more games if they could extend if they could extend the regular season by a couple of games that means we get to witness to more Patriot wins so we're a little spoiled over here in New England my takeaways where I mean number one great day for rookies and we'll talk about a Lotta these these guys in our waiver section here but just a monster today for rookies all round. TJ Hopkinson as all the hype lived up to it Monster Day for him. Markey's Brown play Miami Monster Day John John Ross another monster day for him or John. Ross are not not a rookie but markey's Brown Hawk Anderson. Aj Brown with one hundred yards McLaren over over one hundred yards cuyler murray three hundred passing yards Josh Jacobs the bell cow that we anticipated him to be headed to believe twenty three out of a a total twenty six carries for the running backs in Oakland so as advertised for him and then my second takeaway is the looking at the coal holds. I mean Andrew Luck retire right before the season which threw a wrench into a lot of fantasy owners plans not just the ones that had andrew luck but also Marlin Mac Owners T. Y. Hilton Owners Marla Marla Mac one hundred and seventy four yards rushing touchdown just completely obliterated the chargers defense and T. Y. Hilton catches for eighty seven yards in two touchdowns so so if you own T. Y. Hilton and you own Marlin Mac no Andrew Lock no problem yeah I would say I I remember I mentioned the show before but according to a two years ago when when Jacoby percent played most the season when Andrew luck was out he was actually the highest rated deep ball a passer in the NFL so you know I thought a lot of guys took a step back we're going to take a step back in that. Indianapolis offense from the receiving position but his skill set matches up with ty Hilton so you're you're completely fine there. what I would say just on that game too I just want to point out an unbelievable interception there and now I've drawn a blank on the name in the IT by from the secondary but what a terrible throw by Philip rivers that he's trying to. He's trying to fit that ball into a if that doesn't get picked. There's no way that's getting completed. Keenan Allen so I thought rivers was was actually really really poor on Sunday but he was still good enough to to help keep Austin produce an absolute monster fantasy day. We've been talking up Austin Ecuador on the podcast for what it seems like years at this point and I know a lot of people a lot of our listeners have multiple shares of I got a couple of shares no matter how let me share you have of Austin Ecuador. It's not enough as we sit here. On a Tuesday Tuesday evening twelve carries fifty yard touchdown for Ecuador and then he also chipped in six catches chest for ninety six yards and two touchdowns. I hopefully Melvin Gordon sits out the whole season if you want Austin because he was an absolute obese so we've got we've got a bunch of players to talk about for waiver pickups. We do a waiver pickup episode every single week but before we get into the players that people should target on the waiver wire. I WANNA I WANNA give the floor over to you and let you get something off your chest. We played each other week one and one of our big fantasy leagues and you know didn't didn't go according to plan on ear and I escaped with a three point victory so I'm just GonNa let you take the floor for a little bit here in talk about it yeah so just first of all. It's a complete idiot. It was Louis Hooker was the name was looking for for whatever reason Marlon Humphrey was the name stuck in my head who plays in Baltimore. I knew that wasn't right but yeah interns are fantasy match up you know I committed the ultimate cardinal sin last night with about two minutes to go on the first Monday night game. I was gleefully dancing around my my apartment celebrating victory because I was up by two points with two and a half minutes left in the saints had taken the ball and obviously we know what a crazy ending that was however you know a lot of people like the saints to go to the Super Bowl for the team that gave up the Minnesota miracle two years ago to allow the the receivers from Houston to get over the top on them twice onto plays. He's on a on a touchdown drive with that lead would they minute left in. That game is inexcusable. Apparently Marcus Williams is not learned and for those who don't know Oh you had to Shawn Watson so awesome to Shawn Watson. We're out to finish up the game with me up by two and then also down by ten but it's okay. I think it was twelve going into the second game but it's okay exact Derek Carr who goes out those touchdown in the first drive and had a super efficient first half of the game then he comes out and I think he played five plays in the second in the third quarter so so that didn't help and then in the in the fourth quarter while down by just four points Derek heartaches the ball back in a one score might have been scores at that point but it was still a game with nine minutes left to go and the drive went run run run run run run. They kick a field goal. Denver goes down and scores a touchdown to make it a one score. Game Ball comes back. They go run run on past run kneel down so that was the end of my fantasy night. The Derek Carr touched the ball ten plays in the final four the final ten minutes of the game and ran eight times times. Neil knelt at once and through one first down to Tyrel Williams. I believe and that was the end of it so your quarterback did something stupid with a minute left to to steal you a game as a great recap. I must say I'm sure you're enjoying it. I enjoy it. I will say I I love Mark Williams. Marcus Williams is the gift that keeps on giving. I'm I'm actually ordering. My Marcus Williams Saints Jersey Right now. I'm going to be wearing that for a while but I think you know. One of the thing that I found helpful is so I stopped opt. I thought I was completely out of it so I didn't watch any of the Oakland game we my wife washed his show and I was like I lost Ryan. That's fine and I always find that when I just like take a break from fantasy during the day and we put my phone down my team does better whenever I'm like by my computer or watching my team like a hawk every five seconds on on my phone like they always say like it doesn't work out as well so I think that I was able to coach my team along there but either way good good week when winning the books but anyways and nobody cares about our matchup so it's not it's not but the point or even a word I gotta I gotTa throw a couple of times with no Belabor Belabor the point. There's no jeff here so I got A. I got adding a couple Jeff `ISMS for him all right so let's get into the waiver pickups cops. I got a few players that I think are worth mentioning and then you know. You've got a couple as well. I think the the number one way or pick up and tell me if you agree has to be. TJ Hopkinson Monster Day for the Detroit title unusually tight ends you know you take your to to really make up at least the fantasy impact as a wide receiver but Hawkins and came in second on the team and targets with nine targets six catches one hundred thirty one yards and a touchdown. He's an animal so I have him as the number one waiver pickup especially considering there's a lot of tight ends that had very average days you jared cook up with five fantasy points. Vance McDonald with six fantasy points Karl Rudolf putting up zero bomb. Jordan Reed didn't play because he's he's always injured injured. He was born injured with a concussion. Our project make concussions but it's Jordan Reed Greg Olsen seven fantasy points. I mean there's a lot of tight it ends that that were rostered on a lot of leagues that people were counting on that just had really bad week ones go. Jay Howard had seven fantasy points so so not only is tight end always a thin position but Tj Hawk comes out and just puts over twenty two fantasy points so I have him as my number one priority. I'm putting in a claim for him in every league that I'm in if you have a fab budget I think he's worthy of you know twenty eighty five percent of your budget. If you have a really bad tight end I think you could go higher will your thoughts on Tj Hopkinson as the number one. Guy Yemen everything. You just said you know whether you're looking at tight end or some of these other guys. We're going to talk about He's the one guy wouldn't be overly concerned with situational or game unplanned dependent. I think that you know he's going to be reliable. Offense or weapon in that offense we saw how involved he was you know for a tight end. You know I think like any rookie in a pass catching roll. We'll see some ups and downs but overall. I think you know he's going to be involved and they're gonNA target him and he's GonNa. He's GonNa produced so you know again. I I think for consistency reasons even though I said he's a rookie inconsistent. He's not some of these other guys. I look at a guy like you know. Mark Ginger Wyatt a couple shares of who I didn't really believe in and actually had my bench. She had a big game but I don't think we can you know realistically expect that out of the Ravens offense or him every week whereas Hopkinson. It's a pass pass heavy offense and he's a big target and obviously him in him in Stafford have some early chemistry together so oh. I think you know if you have George I have on my bench and one liter of George. Kill regardless of who your tight end is. I'm putting him as my number one priority you have the potential chill distort him in like a flex position right bye week filler when you're titantic. George Killer Kelsey on by weaker grant injured. You have him the plug in but also gives you a lot of raw flexibility. You know I have him in the league with Kitto and I might tryin shop till around regardless tight end like that. That becomes available on on the waiver wire is worthy of the number one waiver priority or forget. Thad budget leader. You have a FAB budget. I think twenty five to thirty percent on is completely reasonable number two. I don't really have any particular order except they didn't want to mention my top two marquees Brown and now he played Miami but I was talking to jeff about this last night and he's like well you to play. Miami and I said Okay Well Corey Coleman Josh Toxin Lequan onto well no matter who they play. They weren't GonNa do anything close to what Markey's Brown did so at some point no matter how bad the matchup is good to see these these rookie receivers produce so quickly and monster day from archies brown four catches one hundred and forty seven yards two touchdowns. you know is the only time he's GonNa play Miami this year but he had a lot of hype coming into the season as a big play explosive receiver and he was he lived lived up to the hype was as advertised and at the very least it was good to see so I think he I think you have to I think you have to it has to be the number two guy you pick up this this this week for for bad budget. I mean I'd go close to twenty percent depending on your Rosser construction. But what do you think about Markey's Brown. Do you agree. He should be the number two pick up and then the second part of it is how. How much are you reading into the whole map. Miami matchup so I agree that he's up there. 'cause he somebody out of the guys we talked about. He's one of the higher guys I had in my list going into preseason. Jeff Jeff laughed at me in you or you and I rather during our our best ball episode will mean you've both discovered that we had like sixty eighty percent shares of murky brown and our best ball lineups was always present. Yeah I mean after a great so I was super excited about him and so you know to see him come out there and then produce that way it's hard not to be excited about Baltimore's offense and the performance of him and Lamar Jackson. Obviously you can't can't expect that every week as we said they're not play every week but I think that there's a lot of upside potential there by concern. Marquees Brown is the boomer bus potential because of the fact that you know more so than the Miami matchup is the fact that he faced are fourteen snaps on Sunday and of that eight of them were on passing place so he saw the field for eight total passing place and produced like you said four receptions one hundred forty seven yards in two touchdowns sounds. I mean that I don't know apparently of sorts because whatever extremely extremely efficient whatever were describes that is what he was It was astronomically efficient. They will you know to to see the field to turn east offensive. Pass play snaps into that production. I mean certainly can't bank on that every week and I don't think anyone is banking on him to produce like that but that's my only sign of caution is that you know if if that's totals he's GonNa play going forward and obviously some of that was game script dependent but it you know if you see snap totals like that next week. I mean you can't even assume half that production. Yeah I think bottom line Maki's Brown. It's good to see that we saw probably what a ceiling is and it looks pretty good and everybody else brings up the match up slowly play my it's like news flash guys. There are a lot of bad bad teams in the NFL like every team the Baltimore Ravens are GonNa play some bad teams and it's good to see players capitalizing on with with really favorable match ups like again. The travel could barely saw the field's entire rookie year and he was a high draft pick in dynasty leagues same thing with Josh Doksan. They couldn't produce no matter who the defense was I know Jeff I I told Jeff Markey's Brown a couple of weeks ago and he's he mentioned he's like Oh. Miles Boykin is the is the receiver you want Baltimore and this is a great thing not having Jeff on the podcast is he's here defend himself. We know we can take shots at him. There's nothing he can do so so Zia Marquez Brown definitely number two. I haven't as number two after Tj Hopkinson and then John Ross is the third guy. I haven't probably my third or fourth. Pick up this week. I don't know what to think about John. John Ross's Day Monster Day on Sunday a he's. I mean he had the upside tabloid had eight catches still the number one receiver but absolutely bonkers. John Ross did on on Sunday against Seattle defense that looked really really poor core especially in the secondary here that one fluky touchdown catch at the end of the first half right that went right over the defense head but seven catches for one hundred and fifty yards two touchdowns for John Ross. I believe last area two hundred ten yards on the entire season right so we're talking about. You know basically all that in week. One what are what are your thoughts on. John Ross so that that offense just scares me in general you know it's I mean I guess it depends for me. You're talking to infringe for what you know. What we're talking about waiver wire pickup. I mean I I would do it just because again there's there's there's upside there and especially as long as aged. Greens out if he's going to see a target share like he did it on Sunday Monday and I know we I'm going to contradict my own here because even though I didn't say in the last segment I do agree that we can't eh discredit guys for taking advantage of good matchup because that's some guys can't do it and that's what you need to do. Would that said that's yell defenses you. You know pretty rebuilt but that secondary is the weak spot you can expose so. I do take his performance with a grain of salt even though I would have said something different about Marquees Brown on a segment so I guess I'm I'm riding both sides of the fence there but it is what it is but you know we're looking at a guy who's going into his third year and so maybe we're seeing you know the tyler boy jumped we saw last last year and I know for myself not to change the argument in a in a format like DFS last year took forever for people to buy in taller than you could you could ride Taylor Boyd's low-value for for weeks on that on until finally midseason caught up with him and then and then he had a war second half so you know in format like that play like all over John Ross right now however you know I think you haven't slotted appropriately. Here's a third guy we're talking about but definitely definitely one hundred percent confident him than the rest just because of this offense and you know overall. It's an impressive performance given going on the road to Seattle tough and obviously he produced but I just I don't know for me personally. I want to see it another week or two to John. Ross before I buy the fullest gold. He's it's a great week one pickup because he somebody that you would pick up and you'd Stash on your bench and you to wait another week or two before you you start him. I mean if you have to start them. As your last flex player that's fine fine and you just hope for the upside but I will pick them up in stash him. I mean two hundred ten yards all last season. Hundred and fifty eight yards on Sunday twenty-one Keller was the caliber player. You're dropping for for John Rosser. Stash on your bench over drop players after this but I mean I would go. I would drop like a Dante Pettus. I would drop Corey Davis. I would drop you know this might sound crazy but I would even consider dropping man might be too early to drop dairy guy but let me tell you he's on a short leash. I would drop out of those players form. I mean if you have a tight end. If you have multiple tight ends and you have Jordan Reed I would drop I don't know there's there's there's a lot of players that I that I would drop for sharp penny as one week away from being droppable ideal you have some of these liquid bench assets that we talked about a few podcasts. Go where you can just turn turn out these these bench players to pick players like John Ross because week one. There's always these these breakout breakout receivers and for me. Try to be aggressive and get as many of them as I can because some of them are going to stick. Some of them won't be you know it's the John Ross I'm I'm skeptical as you are on him but I would like to pick him up. If I have the SPA if you can so I am as my third guy you know any any of the players. You're like do you agree on Corey. Davis Dante Pettis drop both them for John. Ross right yeah one hundred percent yeah you know and I know we're GonNa talk about drop players. It's more death later on. I just WANNA see the comparable to the kind of guys you drop here for him so I think I think any of those guys is fair. We can touch on dairy escapes later except good follow follow through on that but we'll we'll get to that in the drought section. Poor dearest guys misses the whole season last year than any scale injury comes back and injured again. probably won't play on Sunday. I'm just yeah I my next. Player is his his ownership percentages kind of hi. We try and focus on players that have sub forty percent ownership percentage. Jamison crowder is a player then. I think I have him. I would probably realistically have him above John. Ross is just he's owned in so many leagues that it's probably unrealistic but he's going to be available in the Majoria Oreo Leagues but if John Ross is available he has to be an absolute must pick up. He's somebody that you can plug in right away and play. I mean the the jets. The jets bills game was sloppy. It was hard to watch but Jamison crowder is the guy that you want own in the passing game. The main seventeen gene targets fourteen catches ninety nine yards the next closest receiver and targets was Robbie Anderson with seven so gyms and crowder is a must pick up if he's available yeah. I know this is a guy. I'm having a hard time on right now because I was was was very high in Jamison crowder going into last season and thought he'd have a great season in in Washington and obviously Alex Smith decided to target him ever so to see the target target's share. He took down week. One was was great to see from from the target perspective the one thing I would say this is from a from Mike Renner over repeat. FFA Mike on Twitter. I thought I thought it was interesting. I saw it yesterday but I wanna go. pull it up but Jamison crowder is the first wide receiver in. NFL history with at least fourteen catches is an under a hundred receiving yards and then he followed it up with that's the jets offense in a tweet so just wanting to monitor of PR format Jamison crowder very valuable valuable when he's getting looked at that much but I thought it was a pretty historic day for Jamison crowder on Sunday. given that performance God bless the New York jets. They're they're great yeah so Jamison. crowder must pick up Danny Amendola and other player layer. You know we talked about. TJ Hopkinson other Detroit play now. I know Arizona was a little short handed. In the secondary they will play a complete dumpster fire in the first half until until column. Murray really got going but Danny Amendola was basically the the number two kindergarten they had the touchdown as well but Danny Amendola was him it was the him and Tj Hawk Nsen show seven catches one hundred and four yards for Dollah a touchdown on thirteen targets team high thirteen targets so it's Kinda crowded with Mark Jones Golladay Hopkinson and carry on you know when they play a team that with a better defense. It's it's hard to imagine you know. We're going to be some some weeks. I think when Danny Dole struggles but I think he's definitely he definitely warrant pickup NPR leaks. What do you think about Cadore Yeah. I would say that you know not a guide feel comfortable rolling US own my three receivers are even as as consistent flex but as a guide two sub in in a week from shorthanded due to injuries or bi weeks definitely a guy feel comfortable going in there and PR PR format and he said you know seven seven catches on thirteen targets hundred four yards touchdown pretty much checked every box. I mean you know his you know. He's not going to be a big touchdown guy. That's obviously not his game mm-hmm but you know if somebody can riled reliably catch catch some balls for you and again. It's an offense that you know is going to want to move the ball to the air. You have a good quarterback and the more weapons Z. established with him and Hopkinson turning into a good offense again that that's a point producing offense and it's a good idea to go and target that that group in and get some chairs in in Detroit and obviously Jones and Golladay or two guys that are most likely gone. Hopkinson should be pretty much gone after this week but if you can you know either this week or next week grab Amendola. He's a he's a good God avenue bench. He's the only one in three point four percent of three basic three and a half percent of leagues and he's. He's the higher floor variety. I mean you have the Markey's Brown's. The John Ross of the world are higher upside boomer bust at least at this stage so depending on what your bench looking like what type of player you know you if you have a lot of those types of players could pivot to use one adjusts fair words so like Danny Amendola or if James and crowds variable Jamison crowder Damadola is going to be I mean I love the targets thirteen targets that tells me that he's is GonNa be. He's GonNa be a factor now. I don't know how many weeks he's GonNa Catch touchdowns but Marvin Jones from time to time looks completely invisible you don't even notice him on the field so Danny Amendola kind of fits that mold as the higher floor guide. You can plug into your lineup. If you just have one flex spot they need to fill and you and you just don't WanNa lose. You don't want zero bomb. Danny Amendola should be able to get five to seven points just about Ev- any week so doesn't have the upside that Markey's Browner John Ross. I have to say you know. Put Him a little lower but I think he's a solid bench filler depending on You know what your bench looking like what your team needs are. Let's stay in that game. There's a receiver for Arizona that you wanted to talk about. Yes a keyshawn Johnson. Obviously May has been making some noise through through through preseason camp here. came out had a ten target forty six yard on believe it was five receptions. We double check that how five catches so yeah good performance in you know I think Arizona gave a lot of people heart attack the first three quarters orders thinking that maybe this offense wasn't GonNa be as as explosive as everyone hoped but then they showed you what their upside is there upside to me is that they will be down big lane in games and when you start letting Carla Mario and you start just chucking the ball over the yard. Everyone started grabbing points including keyshawn Johnson so somebody to watch. I mean obviously is there. He's you know reasonably right now. As it sits probably the fourth Guy you know that you'd want a piece of in that offense but provided that they find themselves awesome a lot of similar situation. That's a home gaming Detroit and gushed over the Detroit guys a lot tonight but I think it's fair to say that that's not a top five probably not even a top ten offense by the end of the year so you know if Detroit's doing that at home you put them on the road and Cima some other environments where the offenses can put up more damage. You might you see them. Take the more conservative play calling off a little bit earlier and a guy that keyshawn Johnson. Should you know again. I think it's the category more Bouma boss right. I don't think this is somebody consistently kept count on the five ten targets five catches that many are in forty six yards but I think he's a guy could go off on any given day and have a big performance. He's the guy that I I kinda monitor on the waiver wire. I mean if you have room on your bench to stash him. He he's a perfect player to use your second or third priority on I mean most is likely not going to be a super hot commodity on the waiver wire this week because he didn't have a really big day when he kind of drill into it and you look at the box score is he ten targets. I mean if if some if you have people in your league that aren't paying attention to the preseason or aren't watching these games they look at his numbers okay he had nine points like there's a lot of other players players ahead of him. The people are going to be going after so he's a player that you can either a monitor and then pounce on next week if he has another good game or if you have on your bench to roster roster him into stash him he's a player that you could use your second waiver priority on go after the Hopkinson John Roster Markey's Brown's. Dm Dole's first and then go after keyshawn John Johnson. You'RE NOT GONNA have to use number one priority most likely on keyshawn. He got ten targets in the game. When everyone was healthy layer shale shale David Johnson Christian Kirk everyone was healthy. You know the seasons of war attrition as the season goes on. There's GonNa probably be injuries. You know so he's a he's a good player player to roster if you can afford to anything else on the keyshawn Johnson and any other players that you thought of before I get into into my streaming streaming defense of the week so yes the only one the one I wanted to touch on was a guy I was. I was bullish on the beginning of the preseason awesome and then shame on me got bullied down on him because all the Darrell Henderson Fan boy started coming out but you know I've been well documented pretty pretty much every media platform I can be on twitter facebook talking to you in person on this podcast very skeptical of Todd Gurley coming off that injury and in the Long Jeff Hill to perform the season the history is just not on his side and not you can look it up guys rush that much especially back to back years just breakdown He seems to be on a pitch count. Everyone's Big Henderson Malcolm browns owner came out in the in the first game and had a monster day and more more than that last season in this is a guy it almost reminds me of Chris Carson two years ago where every opportunity he gets he produces yet it seems like the teams hell bent on replacing him until they finally just give in and Seattle when they were bringing an Eddie lacy cj precise and basically when you can think of that didn't work out was was in Seattle every time Carson gun opportunity performed and it took a while for them to find the given. It just feels the same for me. Wi with Malcolm Brown I mean at four point nine yards per carry last year another good performance this week and you know if you're Malcolm Brown shoes truth or like I am the fact that the Henderson got one rush attempt on Sunday should should make you feel pretty good so that's a guy who if you're looking for a running back help stash not to put the cart before the horse here but this actually got a blue. It'd be talked about in our pre show about dropping. I mean if you hold onto a Guy Darwin Thompson who looks like he might be on the outside there. I'd much rather have Malcolm Brown on my bench right now as the guy. I'm hoping we'll aw come to fruition later on because not only is Malcolm Brown problem. Perhaps the best handcuffing all fantasy football but he's also somebody that you could you clearly clearly you can start. If you're in a pinch I mean and I love all the the Todd Gurley owners. You know trying to convince themselves and there's no there's nothing to see here with Todd Gurley you know I I've talked to a couple of their like. Did you see todd Gurley. He looked great and I'm like yeah. He's Todd Gurley. He's GonNa look really good but Malcolm Brown had double digit carries and in two touchdowns. He didn't steal one touchdown. He Stole Two touchdowns from girly. I'm sorry but that's a problem if you own todd Gurley and not only that tiger only had one catch on the day so so you know obviously I'd rather have growth Malcolm Brown and if I have todd Gurley I'm starting him but if you have todd Gurley you you've got to be I I'm not gonNA say we're in full panic mode with Todd Gurley but this is what you feared and this is why Todd Gurley went in the second round in most drafts middle to late second round Malcolm Brown touchdowns so I I agree. Malcolm Brown has to be has to be somebody. That's on everyone's radar either here to start you know if you're really shallow at the running back position or to stash on your bench cop more weeks and see see how todd Gurley is knee holds up because at the end of the Rams it came out and said they don't know what to expect with his knee. They know how it's going to respond. We don't know how long it's GonNa last you know they have their contender so I think they're pacing themselves with Todd Todd Gurley which isn't good if you're a tiger early owner yeah and I I'll go one step further out during the panic alarm I mean they had him on a pitch count in the Super Bowl which is not a game you put somebody on a pitch count for Terrell Owens and offers out running around with a broken leg and so you know they they they pitch counted him in the Super Bowl will and then you know six months later and opening day still on a pitch count. I mean that's that's an injury spending two seasons. He missed almost all off season activities and if you're if you're not concerned as the Todd Gurley owner while the nearest was past the graveyard agreed all right so you know we talked about some players to pick up. I mean that's a good group of players for week. One I WANNA throw in my my streaming defense a try to put forth a defense every week. a lot of people are in streaming mode. What were they are just adding and dropping defenses every single week unless you have one of the top you know unless you have like Chicago Minnesota. You're most likely going to be streaming defense. This is based on matchups and I love Carolina this week at home against Tampa Bay offense led by James Winston who threw three interceptions. I think two were picked sixes. he was sacked. ZAC three times typical Jameis Winston type type things so Carolina's at home. It's it's a pretty safe play in my estimation with some upside because of the amount of turnovers that you know the Tampa Bay buccaneers are prone to to give up yeah yeah. I would agree in South Carolina. I think I think Carolina has started to rebuild that defense I was. I was optimism about coming into the air. I thought they did a good job really confusing in playing well early on that game against the rams which much better offense and I mean. I don't know how much more evidence you people need. James Winstons not a good. NFL quarterback so I'm very very tired of hearing about him people saying he's GonNa Finish a top twelve k fantasy quarterback if you're streaming aside from the dolphins Tampa Bay is not about offense in my estimation to be following right now all right so now we're GonNa talk about some players to drop before we wrap it up now because obviously if you pick up a player you gotta drop somebody so we we talked about a few players that I had on my list. I'm just going to run through rapid fire throwing out some players and you tell me if you agree or disagree you know if you drop them off. You're you're holding onto him. Dante Pettis Dropping Corey Davis dropping Jordan Howard. I'm holding for now. We'll we'll stay with the Philadelphia Eagles running back back deal the miles sanders yeah I'm going to hold him to. I mean if I could afford it. I'd like to hold onto either. One of those guys and we see how things shake out. Dion Lewis Dropping Robert Foster dropping poor Robert Foster as such. I I hope I had such high hopes for him. Curtis Samuel dropping interesting see. I'm I'm waiting. I'm waiting another week leaker to Curtis Samuel. I just it's just like I was telling Jeff the other day. It's it's tough win of your players on a team with Christian McCaffrey. There's not a lot to go around around. There's not a lot leftover. I mean they just they just feed Christian McCaffrey. All Game Long Kenyan drake dropping join read dropping with the second pick them up later if he's ever healthy again a couple up more for your car Rudolph. I'm holding on Rudolf Yeah. I think I think ideally car Rudolph. You're putting in a claim for Hawkin concentre or maybe or maybe waller or somebody like that somebody. We actually didn't talk about Waller for the Oakland tight end If you can't get him I think you maybe you hold onto him and give him another week. I mean they kirk cousins. Only through while eleven Haley like ten or eleven pass attempts so weird game scripts for Minnesota. Ah Rudolph is probably worth holding onto for one more Game Geronimo Alison Your Yeah I'm holding i. I'M GONNA take take Thursdays Bully Yup. I think that's fair. Zero targets zero catches but it was Chicago. It was a tough tough first game for Green Bay in Chicago when we tend total points but yeah my may take a couple. I was in a couple of weeks where I was playing somebody who started Dante Pettis and I'm just like I just don't get it. I don't I don't get the Dante Pettis Fascination. A lot of people had one catch one target for him. I mean you don't get to talk about. You're not GonNa talk about me like I'm not sitting very here because I started again but in my defense since that was only because somebody for Antonio Brown Wide Receiver Bench was really really skeptical so you've been through a lot and you've been through a lot in the last twenty twenty four hours. I didn't WanNA throw throw salt on the they're starting since Friday Antonio Brown's meltdown it's been it's been a rough for fantasy days here for me so yeah yeah well. There's always next week. That's the good thing that's why that's why we're thrown all these these pickups out so go get. TJ Hopkinson Markey's Brown John Ross Danny Amendola. If for some reason crowder's available go get him streaming defense star go pick up Carolina They're playing James Winston. What else what else do you need to know? We are the NFL talking heads. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks so much for listening to this episode of the NFL Talking Heads Fantasy football podcast show. Try everything that three times with your host Jeff carrier while Weld can't you next time.

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Episode 98: Silva Top 150 Rankings Changes

Establish The Run

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Episode 98: Silva Top 150 Rankings Changes

"They. Do. Hey Welcome to episode ninety, eight of the official established run DOT. Com podcast my name is added. Levitan is one of the cofounders here at Etr and it is peak fantasy football draft season. Over the next one to two weeks, we estimate ninety percent of people will draft their teams with that. In mind I am joined by the manning moves ADP's the master of everyone's favourite top fifty rankings. It is having Sylvan Heaven. What's going on What's going on man Things are really starting to come to a head. You know there have been a lot of. Soft tissue injuries that. Within the teams don't come and say, Oh, you know they're going to be back in two weeks. You know they I mean, they don't even know soft tissue injuries are. They're tough to predict in terms of return timetables on day prevent players from being able to exercise stay in shape. While you know like hamstring injuries, Amine Keiko run around on a hamstring Let it heal. So that creates a lot of uncertainty with our projections. but you know we we needed anticipate this because especially with so little preparation practice time in who knows what players were doing all off season. This was going to be a reality that was going to come to us, and now we have to deal with it and it's not easy to deal with but. It's definitely something that we have to build into our expectations into our rankings. There have been a lot of rakings changes recently talking about today. Yeah. Finished the is always going to be a partial information game. Right all we can do is do the best information that we have. I think we have accessed and we'd grind harder than anybody to find the best information make the best decisions that we can. So I feel good from that standpoint, we do not have preseason games this year, which is obviously a big hole in our process, but it has. Given US more time to explore everything's going on a practices and stuff like that. As Evan mentioned on today's show, we're going to talk top when fifty rankings changes were also gonNA talk a lot of news that flowing through as said, we've had some injuries are rankings are updated daily to reflect all that before we get into that wanted to remind everyone of two things. First, our draft kit is just thirty five dollars if you've been listening to the free pods for the last. Four or five, six months in enjoyed them. We should let you know that this is just the tip of the iceberg is an avalanche more of what you need to win your draft inside of our kids. We'd hope and we'd appreciate that you check out the draft get on the site again, just thirty five dollars would also personally like to remind everyone that DFS's is coming NFL season Gracie's the mall. If you would like to join us for DFS's season I would recommend the bundle packages up on the site right now gets you draft kit in everything we do from week one through the Super Bowl for the lowest possible price. Okay. Get some writings changes Evan Chris Carson left the team after a death or mobile desktop failing missed seven of nine practices. He had gotten up to rb twenty two rankings but he's back now he's back up to rb sixteen, and honestly he's one of my favorite round three pigs you know, James. Connor. Jonathan Taylor Chris Carson I think we'd be my favorites were GonNa talk more about that in future pod baton out Chris Carson right now as he's rejoined the seahawks. Yes, Oh Chris Carson when he left the team, it was little bit of a scary situation certainly in real life. You Know Chris Carson dealt with some real life hardship there. but from a fantasy projection standpoint, they announced him as out indefinitely in I I didn't know what to do. We already know that he was coming off a hip fracture you not require surgery hip fracture so. Anytime here, hip fracture Geez but. It doesn't seem like the seahawks have severe concerns about Kris Carson's health, and now he's back in running with the first team like you always word and the beat writers seemed very confidence. Seattle if he's going to maintain. A feature back workload there has been some discussion of DJ Dallas. The seahawks fourth round pick maybe taking over on downs. That's SPEC. That's beat writer speculation. At the end of the day I think Chris Carson where we have him slotted right now. Is using this cheer. It's like the third through Fourth Round Tier of James Connors top-tier Arnesen Taylor is the next guy in the tier, and then we have Chris Carson Todd, Gurley, Melvin Gordon. It's sort of a small tear. But I think that all those guys you know sort of project similarly. and. I'm a believer in the seahawks offense this year, we're going to talk a little bit more about the seahawks offense soon. Breath think that they are going to take a step forward and. I think their defense is going to be problematic especially upfront. and Chris Carson is like an established good player a player that Russell Wilson Trust at Carol Loves Carol as we love Chris Carson it seemed like there was a front office versus coaching staff clash when the Seahawks for an office selected Rashad Penny if you remember in the first round and care was like, yeah, we love Chris. Carson, he was a seventh round pick. He doesn't care. That's something you can. Always respect about Carol even dating back to Choosing Russell Wilson over Matt Flynn, which seems obvious in hindsight. But he's a guy that definitely believes in the value of competition and Chris Carson has shown himself to be a guy that is that can be very, very productive horrible year in terms of fumbling they they stuck by him through all those fumbled a lot of teams like would have just cut Chris Cards. If yet. Would cut a seventh round pick at eight fumbles. That we have Chris Carson in a spot right now where established, the run audience is going to have a real good shot to get. Yeah I like Chris Carson. I would actually have connor in a tier above because I think conor actually has passed through down plus goal line where Carson I don't know if he's going to be three down, they do have cross the DJ dowse ever mentioned. Rishaad. Pennies going to start the year on pop guys. Who are just catching up yet like I mentioned I think conor J T in Carson. If you're trying to get to running backs in the first three rounds, certainly should be options for you. Let's Talk Chris. Rendon. Christner's made a big move in your rankings. You Move Christine Different tightened eighteen too tight end eleven in the top one. Fifty Chris turned is now above microscopic shout Penn State Above Hayden, hers well above TJ Hopkinson? Well above fans well. Goddard I've always been a fan of watching Chris Herndon play even precede had some limited reps lesser. He was awesome rookie year. Obviously, it's extremely rare for rookie tannen founder receiving yards. He did that jetsons all kinds of wide receiver problems talk to people about this big move for Chris Herndon. This year is the sweet spot for late round tied in drafting. Discussed, often on the show, we like the idea of. Taking. A leak tight end. or You come back and take multiple of the. Late round tight ends we we don't like the Middle Tier. We don't like Evan Ingram has a lot of risk rob, Gronkowski has risked. Austin. Hooper. Might not have big upside Tyler higby He's got fifty games of war production in five games of league production. So, we're we're trying to skip that tier that middle round tier and were either taken end were moving down in taking multiple of these high upside late round titans for sure. Some of these guys are gonNA pop just lead. Some of these names are in this year turned now have at the top of the to your. Mike Sickie. Is the next Guy Hayden hearse has a lot of upside in that high volume Atlanta passing offense a hunter Henry is in this we know he can play. We're just were skeptical the offense no fan had one of the best rookie seasons by a tight end in terms of just received straight receiving production in NFL history TJ Hodkinson were. Very very intrigued by Dallas Daughter I. Think as a high floor in a super high ceiling if something were to happen Zach Ersan than Ian Thomas Great, athlete, lots of opportunity. So this is an excellent tear target. If you're trying to draft multiple tight ends at the at the back end of your draft. I WANNA have turned in at the top of this year because the target distribution in the jets offense. I think is going to end up being a lot more concentrated than it initially appeared Denzel. MIMS cannot get off the shelf with a hamstring injury of newsmen out. Is Even. GonNa. Start in week one I would say, no. Bouchon. Perryman has been dealing with knee swelling and missing practice time the only other. Pass catcher in the just offense that has any sort of poor with Sam Darnold is a Jamison crowder and then it's Chris Herndon and we know that Christianity can play and I think that the target upside for him is immense at this point I don't expect the justice particularly good team. He'll be playing from behind a fair amount. And returned has I think he could definitely put one hundred targets get I like that I still think that I prefer to sticky and I'm we're going to make a case for Hopkinson here a little bit later but yet Chris. Herndon certainly set up really really well despite the atom gays factor everybody knows Adam gays the statistical depressant for good fantasy players speaking of Adam Gates he had. Kenyan. Drake Kenyan drake is one of these things everyone's talking about the top. Spot human walking obviously every starts freaking out. Oh, my God candidates in walking. They come out they say, this is just normal knicks this training camp soreness this is no big deal. Kenyan drake says it's no big deal. He had boot on in dolphins camp last year ago. Also that said for this news came out Evan you moved up chase edmunds a time, and so now you have ninetieth overall on this was before the Kenyan Drake News so talk to you about the Arizona back from the what made you move chase edmunds up so much even before is Kenyan Drake News. While there were indications coming out of cardinals camp that chase Edmunds would have a role behind Kenyan. Let's zoom out a little bit Kenyan drake in four years at Alabama never had more than ninety two carries the season. In the NFL so far which he's been. NFL for five years now. Is never average more than fifteen point seven touches for game in a year. So, he has almost virtually no true workhorse. Track record. and. So and we know that the cardinals are very likely to have a high octane rushing attack after they finished number two in rushing offense. TV. Away for football outsiders behind only the ravens last year, we want to invest in this rushing attack. And if it, if we can chase to a point where we're willing to take him in the ninth round I'm totally fine with that. I did not want to have him in a place in our rankings where he was. Ranked as like a twelfth round pick. I WANNA be aggressive on chase. Edmunds. Because I think that he has a chance to be usable as a flex play standalone based on Drake's very, very limited track record of nonexistent track record of being a workhorse, and then if something were to happen to Kenyan drake, which magically already know maybe has happened then chase Edmunds is immediate rb one I love chase edmunds since he came out of a forum and he could play in the passing game he can run between the tackles. Remember our good friend, Josh Norris compared to Matt Forte. At one point, he's drawn comparisons to demotic freeman in his one chance to as a feature back last year yet twenty seven carries three touchdowns against the giants. Some thirty receiving yards I think he's good player and so I like guys that are good players, great situations, and that's what she said. Yeah and people are GonNa immediately ask while you say all this back. Kenyan. Drake are you moving down in your rankings? Right I mean people are automatically seen. He's in a walking boot Evan likes mean that you're off. Kenyan drake as late first round pick. Well, again, I made the move on chase Edmunds before the Kenyan drake walking boots thing. I thought about moving Kenyan drake down and I looked at the rankings and I was like I'm not gonNA move him down. Only would have moved them down like three or four spots I wouldn't have moved him down. Below any other running backs. So in indications I think are that this injury is not serious that is just a routine. Wear, and tear sort of issue, and so that's where with Kenyan drake we have him as like a an early to mid second round pick. I would still take him there obviously with a little bit more trepidation than previously. But he's again he's in a great great situation I. Don't think this injury is serious. Okay. Let's move on Select Moss. If you guys have been listening for last couple months, you're tired of us. Talking About Zach Moss, we've been talking about Zach Moss constantly Zach Moses ADP is now on the rise and a lot of it probably has to do frankly with Evan talking about him on us talking about a lot. But now there's also been buzzed out of camp that Zach Moss is bowing out that Zach Moss you could argue is better pass catcher right now than dividend single terry, we know that the bills probably think. Better go on runner right now than demonstrate der who they refused us at the expense of putting Franco out for like eleven carries inside the ten for zero touchdown. So you have moved up Zach Moss and we were already way ahead of market on immune immune of again, rb thirty six from before he too. I don't want to spend a lot of time here because we've already talked to the people so much about Zach Moss one of our favorite picks in the ninth tenth eleventh round and honesty in kind of casualties pry him even later than that. But yeah, just quickly, why move up ZAC MOSS now even further. Just, one of these guys that we want to stay ahead of in terms of ADP. Fuller is a guy like that Zach mosques guy like that I. I have some skepticism about Zach mosses true upside because Devon Single Terry is certainly going to remain involved in any scenario in Josh Allen. Is, a huge touchdown vulture. But I think the bills are going to be really good. This year I think that they're gonNA have a lot of running back friendly games ripped. Zach mosses two, hundred, twenty, three pounds, Devon single. Terry's five seven to three small. And jobs. Scaglia who you know a friend of the show I would say longtime bills be writer. Suggested that there were there are going to be games this year where Zach Moss is the feature back indefinite single Terry is the change of pace back when you look at them from a player profile standpoint. Zach Moss looks like the feature back in Devon singled. Terry looks like the change of pace. So I think he was. SUMED. Almost at one point, the season Devon singles won't break out I think people are starting to realize that. He's got more competition. than. Than people maybe have foreseen and we're going to stay ahead of ADP MOSS. All right let's go back to Seattle and you moved UK metcalf ahead of Cooper. COBB. which I don't think it's a big deal. You know very small one spot in the rankings I think the bigger picture is I want to zoom out and say hey In the event that they actually let Russ Cook and there's been whispers about this roster tweeted about it be registered talking about it any event they actually do let Ross Cook, lock it Ross indicator look like outrageous values and the point that I wanna make an end about from the fast and everything when you know where the ball is going to go, it is extremely valuable. This hawks offense. Does not feature their tight ends. They do not feature. They're running backs very much in the past game did not feature their third wide receiver very much. I mean when Ross Cokes, it's going to unlock it in. There is a ton of value in that. So what do you think the chances are that actually ends up cooking in talk a little bit about moving metcalf ahead of Cooper Cup. I mean. I have to admit you know again. I I like to talk about biases instead of you know just ignoring them and I certainly have some bias toward. Wanting the seahawks to let us cook. But we've also received like tangible information that suggests that it's a real possibility I. Think it's interesting that Russ has talked about it openly something that he is never done these. Russia's like ultimate team player. And he's not really wanted to step up invoices opinion, but he has said publicly that. He wants to loosen the reigns a little bit and quarters one through three. There's hat has something credible charts that show like. The the Seahawks I think were bottom five in terms of. The Reading in Games last. Year. In quarters one through three, and then in quarter four, they just like spikes because Russell Russ would bring him back. And I mean that that's a reality that the hawks have really been suffocating russ if they do the reins even just a little bit. I think that Tyler Lockett who were certainly much higher on ADP then. And PK METCALF ARE GONNA benefit immensely because there's not a whole lot of target competition in the third receiver right now is probably Phillips set. Carson was used more in the in the passing game this past year, but he's still got. What like forty catches something like that. Greg is a tight end. I. Think he's GonNa be maybe a potentially solid real life edition. Not, a guy who's going to be a huge target commander. So we're looking at the target tree in Seattle, and if they open it up a little bit decay metcalf Tyler Lockett Argon absolutely crush. We were one spot below. F. F. P C eighty P on vk metcalf and I just wanted to at least get him even with F. F. P. C. ADP because I want established the run audience to. At least have a chance, he's got a monster ceiling. We're GONNA getting a lot of Tyler Lockett this year again. But I WANNA make sure that decay metcalf is also in our range. So trying to get more aggressive. Okay speaking of news from Camp and guys we were high on similar to Jack Ma, send me. It's kind of frustrating but this is the reason you draft early it's not about the injuries not anything else when you can identify Damian Harris as an awesome fifteenth round pick a month ago, and now he's going like the ninth or tenth round. You're just printings clancy bucks here's preteen ev and so Dave News at Damian Harris just could not be better. So I shall is obviously out there's no sign of him. We will not be ready for week one same with Lamar Miller meanwhile Damien Harrison Shadow to Jeff. How who charts targets. In training, Camp Practices Damon. Here's been among the most targeted players, many position everybody under beat writers raving about how well Damian here's playing in the game Mike Reese. Jeff how everybody's talking about how well demon here's played both as a runner inner seaver if I had to bet right now Damian Harris would be the guy out. So it open as the feature back this season you have moved him up to rb thirty two as I, said, we've been higher than mark on on him all your I think it's pretty self explanatory but I mean, it's predom- get pretty excited about demon here's what's the highest would take him now. Sony Michelle looks likely to open the season on reserve be Lamar Miller still off the PUPAE list. Coming off his ACL tear. So that would sort of. Turn this backfield into a two maybe three I. don't I don't want to mention Rex burkhead name too loud now. But. Maybe it's you man backfield between James in Damian Harris I'm still concerned about Damian Harris upside because I don't think there's really any scenario where he is going to end up catching passes this year in the same backfield as James White. But I think that he's the clear cut favorite for carries in New England at this point and I wanna read off the schedule for the Patriots to begin the year is it's highly highly favorable for a rushing attack week one at home against the dolphins. Yes We to. At Seattle Seattle has really one of the weakest front four in the NFL and they were a bad run defense last year they lost cloudy who is An excellent run, defending defensive end. Week three back home against the raiders. So and then week four at the chiefs chiefs are not a good run defense typically but. You know those games can be back and forth shootouts etcetera. But so we're GONNA know early on Damian Harris. You know we're going to know whether he is a hit early. and. I like him. I like taking him ace through eleventh rounds anywhere in there I think he's really. Let's skip over to this Daryl Henderson situation in hundred last year got. So buried on the bench including to get on the field when Todd Gurley was limping around, they played Malcolm. Brown over him Todd Gurley leaves in the. Second round draft capital on. Cam Acres. So I mean signs were not good for Tennyson already now he gets a late August hamstring pull the rams are reportedly quote unquote hopeful he'll be ready for week one but man, it's not great for their Henderson could see if there are Henderson gets healthy for week one that they go to a two man of Cam acres and Malcolm Brown had he the rams played out three tempting to move camakers the rankings? Yeah I considered it I. Still Think Joe Hunterston is going to be a factor. I still think Malcolm Brown is going to be a factor. I think that the offensive line for the rams is questionable. I think their defense is really questionable and Especially after losing weight Phillips and. Kim Makers. One of the toughest dudes from you to ranks. I. Did I wound up not moving him up I did move Sarah Henderson down from rb forty two RB forty five. It's just it's a very ambiguous situation. I'm not even sure that there's even a breakout true breakout candidate here. Because I think that at the end of the day, there's going to be a committee in the running game. itself is not going to be that lucrative in terms of rushing and receiving production. Yeah. I, I'm interested in the rams as it bounced back for a lot of stuff. Leoni said, I, mean, Jared Goff can put up attempts in a big wayne of Kim acres turns out to be the pass catching running back and they have a lot of draft capital invested in him I know. They did their Henderson too. But yeah, I I I think I'm a warming a little bit on camakers. I still prefer Andrea Swift for sure and we'll talk about that on the round by round pod But I think him acres would be a little bit of a riser for me personally on this news speaking of risers the news on TJ Hopkinson has been awesome. There was you know he had a quote at the beginning of camp that was like I still feel my ankle, but it's Hundred percent, which they make any sense right? I guess I guess it kind of makes sense. You can feel something but feel like you're still playing at your peak level but no matter what's going on with his ankle beat writers who cannot stop salivating over Tj Hodkinson every single day they're saying he geography is dominated practice every single day and really when you're a top ten, pick the NFL draft like that's what you should do lot has we don't see it until you're two with NFL tight. Ends I think there's a big chance for leap. Now you moved them up too tight on sixteen from Titan eighteen still behind fan still behind Hunter Henry as you mentioned still way behind Chris. Herndon. So I think you're warming on teacher Hodkinson still be a little bit behind Johnson's market right now because the hype on Vinson is getting very, very hot at least in fantasy twitter in a hardcore people. Are you okay being a little bit below market on Tj? Hopkinson you did move them up. I'm not okay and I'm worried that I'm going to miss the boat on a massive breakout because I believe in the lions offense I. Think it's really underrated. I've always believed in TJ Hopkinson frigging mackey award as sophomore at Iowa. He showed US upside his upside in week one last year only one other game above sixty the rest of the season. I. Think he had three for eighty four against the raiders but other than that only two games above sixty yards all season but he dealt with a bunch of injuries. Love TJ. Hodkinson. Just I love no offense to you know Hunter Henry is proven Serakhs. Solid NFL player might just sticky showed us his upside in the second half of last year Hayden Incredible Situation Chris Herndon? I think is going to be an absolute tyrant monster. Dallas Gutter. I think. Again this tier is really hard to separate. So. Instead of. Giving like individual player takes among this year I would just say room try to hit it twice. You know if you're not getting killed not getting Kelsey, you're not getting injured not getting. Way Fitness to your twice. Yep, love it. Okay. News out. Of Las Vegas I was not say Oakland news out of Las Vegas Tyrone Williams has toward Labor tyrel. The Gazelle says he's GonNa play you know these torn Abrahams are things that guys can try to play through and they get surgery after the season will see I think the key point here is tyrel is ex and Brian Edwards who seems to be like draft twitter's like favorite guy I don't know that Brian was high strong Brian Edwards his is the backup act. So obviously, it's a big boost if tyron. Mrs Time for Brian Edwards but I also think that it's interesting for. Henry. Rogues just from a targeting perspective I. Think you project him reasonably right now for somewhere between sixteen and eighteen percent if we get that to twenty percent target share for Henry Rugs playing Z. playing slot that's really exciting to me. So yeah, I thought tyrod Williams news the least interesting do you have any interest in drafting Brian? Edwards baby deeper lease that you think about moving henry rugs up at all I know we're already above market on Henry Rugs exactly in yes. I definitely thought about moving rugs up. But if you look where he is I think he's just we we already have in the sweet spot. We had him in a spot where he is right there with Jalen. Rieger. Sean Jackson. John Brown Brennan. That's like a nice little cheer I think. There's a lot of value with all those guys. Henry Rugs I've been drafting him since May and with very few fears I think that. Brian. The hype on him was I think jumping the shark a little bit earlier. But now he catches his break. We're tyrod. Williams has injury that could which I mean title Williams could be a zero all year. So. I, Dunno. I. Derek. Carr. The kind of the type of quarterback to really feed Brian Edwards make him a true fantasy factor. I'm not sure you've got hunter renfro there. You've got bearing wall or WHO's going to command a big target sure. You've got Henry Rugs is GONNA command big target share after the know they made him the first wide receiver drafted. They end up playing a lot of two tight end sets with Jason Waiting in Foster Moreau. In. So I. Think that Brian Edwards is a guy that. Is a definite by dynasty. But I am I guess I'm I'm skeptical in redraft. Yeah speaking of the raiders and you mentioned pass game options and you know it's not that we think Theo riddick is a big deal on the is GonNa go out there and catch a hundred balls. The point is that they're telling us with their actions what they think think about Josh Jacobs and you had to tweet you know they signed resigned Jalen sharper bunch of money they use a significant draft. Capital Limb Bowden he's essentially a wide receiver they signed Theo riddick now, and so maybe they're telling US hey, we in theory we want Josh gives a catch more balls come out and said dad but impracticality we think these other guys are better at catching balls. Now Joshua Jobs, you know chickens a week one is going to be tough because he's going to go off on Carolina but then as you've mentioned right I'm talking to season-long people. Now they're going to have to be sick in week one when they when they're be like Evan told us not to take Josh Jacobson he's GonNa go home on. Carolina. But then N- Orleans, New England Buffalo at KC TAMPA AT CLEVELAND. At the chargers we're talking about some serious serious Defense Josh Jacobs in this raiders. Team is going to face next and so you have major game flow concerns I. I know Josh in ascending town I think really good runner he's going to be productive when he gets the ball obviously all the concerns about his past game role. So Theo riddick news I, know you know in love theoretic back into dame days there's no evidence big nerdy homer. Don't do this. That's not the case. When riddick was at Notre Dame I like Sierre would who very few people will remember You got arrested himself out of the NFL, but I like Sierra would better than Theo riddick okay. But you are no day. No Okay anyways I inject no emotion into my analysis. Okay. Okay. anyways. What did you think about riddick signing Josh Jacobs is probably GonNa go before we have him in the rankings most likely I'm okay with it I'm a little scared just on town perspective but I think it sets up really from scary from schedule and pass catching. I loved Australia lives as runner I think that he may already be. Five Strip bulk carrier in the NFL. As a rookie. Drew two point one targets for game. He caught twenty passes. He ran over the course of the season. He ran seven more routes than Jalen Rashard. Okay. and. He also had the shoulder injury which I wonder if it might still be a problem based on all the pass catching I mean think about what do you do as a pastor? You're the past lock you have to go run routes and catch passes in. End, the raiders have made a an absolute priority. To, build their stable of running backs. To pass catchers I mean they haven't even gone out and gotten like a to down handcuffed for Josh Shakeups they as soon as the season ended, they signed Jalen recharge two year seven, million dollars extension. In. The draft they took Limb Bowden who was primarily a wide receiver place in wildcat quarterback had some carries at Kentucky Very Randall Cobb type player, but they announced him as a running back when they made the selection and in their post press conference may was like Yo. We're using bowden as a running back. A went outside and this is not something that they had. They went down signed away from division rival Devante Booker who is a pass blocking receiving running back primarily, and then now they go out and sign the riddick. Inside. A lot of the replies that I get when I express any level skepticism about Josh shake like. Imagine Fading Josh Jacobs for. Because of devante booker. But that's not what we're doing. As you mentioned that the schedule is brutal so you're you're putting your. Josh Jacobs is running back who is GONNA be playing on a bad team. Facing the raiders were taught up bottom five point differential last year. No, they went seven and nine. They won't want a bunch of close games they finished really really slowly not gonNa be good. They finished bottom five point differential this year they have a one of the five tough schedules in the NFL which is especially tough on the front end as you already pointed out. So that suggests that the raiders are GonNa be playing from behind quite often. Now, they have like four pass catching backs on their team to take those snaps when they're playing from behind. That's terrifying for for Josh Jacobs Who des Believe in as a ball carrier. But I, I'm doing the shy away forty right now I've got about thirty players written up. I think that I'm GonNa Make Josh Jacobs Number One fade last year we had in Tonio Brown has Fade Michelle away forty I think I'm GonNa make, Josh Shakeups this year it's a little scary because I do believe in his talent, but the the signals that the organization itself. Are Giving off to us are are not positive about his pass catching role, and this is a team that looks very likely to spend most of twenty twenty in negative game script. That I, dig it, my number Shire would be rob Gronkowski, but you know as a story for another day Last thing we're GONNA hit today. There's been mixed reviews and beat reporters. I don't really trust allies be reporters. There is Ben Rocket Spurs looks like throwing good ball today bad ball today. You know what are these be writers really know about the Kinda ball that Ben Rothlisberger throwing but I think the reviews have mostly been good for what it's worth I mean you know there. Was One where somebody said, he looked like he was shot putting like Philip rivers but then somebody else came back and said, no, that's not true. He's throwing the ball. Great. There's long story in. Yahoo where Ben said how much better his elbow feels better than it hasn't thirteen or fourteen years. So latest report and you tweet it out was that Ben. Rothlisberger is putting on throwing clinic at Camp, and so if that's the case, it's in noted while God the thing thing we've been talking last four or five months Berry being draft process James Congress willing. The fifth round Juju is going like the fifth round and we were like that is just so egregious in the event bend is healthy last year. Stats last year's tape could not be more irrelevant juju connor. deontay James Washington bronner all going to be under-priced. So I feel good about the position that we have been in for months on Pittsburgh AK taking them and taking them a ton and it seems like you are to lease based on Ben Rothlisberger health how you feeling about steelers stuff right now. So I, think a lot of fantasy analysts and I mean I used to do this myself and I really try to not do it anymore. They try to also become medical analysts and. That is a really scary track to walk. I think that you know. Especially, since pro football doc Dr Chow came on the scene I mean I'm just GonNa leave pretty much everything to him. In. Terms of. Medical projects he's been extremely accurate. and. With Ben Rothlisberger, he says that it is easier for NFL quarterback overcome Tommy John Surgery than it is for NFL pitcher in MLB pitcher and a lot of MLB pitchers come back throwing the ball better after Tommy John Surgery. And now we're hearing glowing reports about Ben Rothlisberger how he's the football he's thirty eight years old he's not that. He's not battle. And I I think that they're going to be in a lot of favorable situations this year because of their defense mean their defense really turned a corner this past year I think the pass attempts are not necessarily going to be there certainly not the two thousand eighteen level of pass attempts where he Led the NFL impasse ounce But I again, I'm leaving pro football doc united really trust Dr. Chow. A time and time again he is. Let us in the right direction. That's sort of where I'm standing Ben Rothlisberger? Yeah Yeah I mean it's it's I. think it wasn't even it was something like Tommy John, but it wasn't even Tommy John but either way he says it's what it actually was. They said first of all, it was reported to Tommy John and then someone said, oh I think it was ben on. Michael. said it wasn't John and then when they actually got details, Dr Channels like it was. Tommy John. Okay. Either Way Ben looks good bottom line is that we are very close to drafts and Evan is not sleeping. He is working around the clock for you guys to keep top one fifty to keep the rankings to keep the tears all updated for you his shy away, very favorite preseason articles. Every year guys to stay away from is going to be out in the next few days here. 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2019 NFL Draft Extravaganza

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2019 NFL Draft Extravaganza

"Dangerous. Verde damage Schick football program available on apple podcast and at NFL dot com slash. Now, here's your host day damage high ball fans loved them today damage football program presented by Zach speeds fingers wings eyelids. We're in Nashville Tennessee, and we've just sat in on a spectacular night. The first round always splendid stuff. I know I like the crack my wise, but it's also delightful every time to watch these guys twenty years old twenty two years of age surrounded by their families. Even though they know it's there, they all know it's coming. It's still in that moment that all of a sudden lives are changed financially, and otherwise it's really fun to get the pay witness to that. And so was once again here in Nashville, Tennessee despite thunderstorms cracking thunderstorms outside and we caught up with many of the big name guys. And we're gonna share them with you now and see to my immediate left. Eddie spaghetti. You got the glad hand with a couple of the newest New York Giants. Yeah. I was lucky enough to I guess me two of the three Daniel Jones. Andrea Baker the giants are presently traded back into the first round. And that's pretty much a lot to say about that was I would say the shocker the draft in the first round was was Daniel Jones the Steelers traded up to get Devon Bush. That's big news, obviously on the banks of the three rivers. Interesting storyline that that Antonio Brown's cousin marquees Brown. Wind up with the Baltimore Ravens that issued provide some interesting storylines as we move forward. And also that Clemson defensive front that dominated nothing less than than the football juggernaut of the twenty first century, the Alabama crimson tide all the light fulfill is the ones that we got the bachelor off a great group, fellas. And that was another big shocker there. Cleland fair not going in the first round book going as high as did to the Oakland Raiders. Alright spaghetti what do you think? Let's get going here. The most with all due respect, we talked to a bunch of of great fellas. But I think the most dynamic of them all LSU linebacker now. He's at Tampa Bay buccaneer down there with Bruce Arians. He's a funny guy. And I think Devon white gonna fit in beautifully. She went wanna take a listen. Everyone's enjoy interview. Also, I think it's exciting. I should say, you know, one thing we've noticed in the last few days here, Nashville, Tennessee, the town's lousy with musicians anywhere you go every bar every street corner. Somebody singing they got their coup stick Atari and everything and this was no less even in our little recording space here recording artist chock Kingston is out. It was name was like, yeah. We got a couple of different names. Chet Dunst, Chester singing Lee. Yeah, that's too. I don't know what his name. Anyway, he's a hit recording artist. And he and he was nice enough to play the guitar for me. And I just laid down some tracks. You were you very good. I've I've nice voice. No you do. I don't care what Chris Wilken will to say about that. We'll hear from him later right now. Here is the newest member of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers the delightful. Devon, white everybody. Get cozy mister cowboy guy with the boots and the horses and all that stuff. The head is I Isla all you your LSU collars, got loyalty going home. But what do you think about the buccaneers? Part of playful happy and list. I like your way immediate really like your way bliss. Have you talked with Bruce Arians? I have did he call you see the one who called, you know, coz Asia like called me first, but he did put coach Bruce on the phone. Yeah. What you say what I do tend to Harry, I'll tell hill. Thank you. I said I told you I was gonna take you soon as he got on the phone. I'll say you, Amanda, were you very genuine. I'm ready to give you my on. I told him you're trying to town up in the way. He should go ahead. Never the point. I said I never depart the books, and I'm going get you everything I got this is what a magnificent way you have about. I like an all righty. My only concern is you're clearly a man of high style. What about the uniforms the uniform? Yeah. The buccaneers uniform, and they were already there were all white. They were really great. I like it like it ain't gonna be looking good play to get down. Thirty wins the game. If you you like the look good, look good, look good as LA union forms, look. Nice. But we always say they. Yeah. Was you white? Why fast? So help us to really, you know, over the care about all that. All right. If you're cool with it. Then I'm good with it. Then I think it's a nice Bruce Arians is the light guy on about a style. And you got James over. And you got you got all sorts of pieces of the new that wouldn't be what thing about about what? Yeah. That's all. I mean, you got your loaded up front of order. You're going to get the play hero. Right. Let's get them going to get to play brother. Like, I'm gonna get the play brother. I'm gonna go in. I'm gonna be a great, brother. Great. See may. And we're gonna make some have. I wish I could be like you. I'm too too much of a sour puss. You gotta get rid of that takes come on me. And also you well can you teach me to ride horses? Adam I wherever they go don't be scared. What's your favorite kind of music NBA, young AM, a young boy, my favorite? I don't even know what that is. I it's always a rapid born arrays. He's only nineteen years old. But he's the best in the world. Okay. Well, the best I can do is in Nashville Tennessee, you can't go anywhere without bumping into. The country music ally cuts. You do your good with that? You're gonna see something you wanna do something, you know, had to in their role laidback swerve in Lacombe doors, so smokable and not the window cold water, thin known Akon so memory lays a been a head lies. Got me. Reminiscent on a good time of headed up a good lodge Dez might on the east side as right a day. Go. On the girl. I can't believe. Gimme a little. Kilter won't be as good as what you did. I'm sure but. You're all full nasty, and you got real quick feet. Good luck. With your move from Baton Rouge to Tampa, Saint Pete. That is going to be easy that wasn't as good as your own a flight, AVI. The at night. Giving white. I love it days. It may to tell. Who did you hug for your mom who I would hug, my mother Hobo this question, of course, of course, what are you gonna what are you gonna buy? I with the momma nice crew. What would you buy? I buy my momma and ice cream. How about that? I'm not gonna let you beat me. Because my mother's definitely gonna see this. I don't know of your mom. I know my mother will. I'm not going to let Devon white sit here and show me will wait is a fantastic person. Even better football. He no more cut. You. You're the light for once what number you gonna wear in the NFL. It live forty. Why don't you you're going to be allowed to wear forty nine though isn't all starts number though. I know more. I think you'll be getting. Got it. You got all the answers. You know, why even ask the question? You got the answer. I'll just grill. You love me, which I love it. I want you to go have a wonderful time with the gang whoever's out. Here your mom and everybody else celebrate Nashville, Tennessee, you know, if you're the country singer like that, I'm sure that if you just got drafted if you can sing on this show. I'm sure they'll give you the microphone in any haughty Tong joint you want tonight. You can sing. With taking him biz. And he was a jeers alluded girl came through front holding fishing pole. His Dan look down, this smile and said, son. I know you all heard go someday, you change your mind. I don't know. Listen, I I'm excited to be to be basking, the reflected globe your big night. This is like a top twenty five moment in your life for you. Drafty. Yeah. Draft top five and five win top five win five this number one moment in my life. Thank god. The state you coast areas, they Cho's light. They do to everybody who played a part in me to become a book and then go Tigers tiger's play. All right. And you lift weights numb you should start that because a lot of guys in the NFL do, and I'll tell you. Well, bill. Okay. Even. That's that's yeah. That's that's natural strength. You know, could you beat me in a fight? And I went hurt you. You wouldn't would hurt a fly? And and less we're between the lives, right? Yeah. I wouldn't. I don't I'm not a play. I wouldn't hurt you on the field by play hard. I think, but I want her to feel you should know. I didn't get drafted yet. But if I were to get drafted, you just you can't hit you can't catch those. Oh life. Oh, three bands. I'm I I ran it. I ran a six one kitchen. It's you if you up let's run again, go kitchen hitch, again, you're that kinda guy or a big gun, Devon wide. Everybody. All right. Yeah. He's I mean, he took over the microphone. Yeah. We have to rename the show to the Devon white busy so hot. He's not gonna be able to not gonna have time to do to do whatever you want to have been white. How about this though? Another Devon highly coveted really from a lot of teams drafting roundabout, the the buzz was if Devon Bush reached the ten slot that there would be a lot of teams trying to jump up and get him and trade up into it. It was the Pittsburgh Steelers. They've had a need obviously since Ryan chasers awful injury. A couple years ago that's been in football terms. Obviously a spot that they've needed to fill with speed, and otherwise, and they they now land that with I guess coincidentally ironically from Ryan cheesier, Ohio State they now look to Devin Bush to fill that spot. The Michigan wolverine great, surely Ryan cheesier will be helping to coach up Devon Bush going forward and and in here. My conversation with the new Pittsburgh Steeler. Devin Bush listening today, Dan shea. First things. First what Gibbs what what's the what's the the fashion of as me? We just came up with it for my own little spend too little personality audit wanna conditional sue retie. And I just wanted to do something off the charts. All right. And so you have a natural you intend to do on the grin Zev, right Zadie. Do you have you considered that you the people from the basic region there have you heard the Pittsburgh accent? Are you familiar with Phnom not familiar with it? You don't know what it's out don't it's while. You're quarterback's name is. This him think about what do you think about that? What do you think about this guy being your QB here? Great. Yeah. If all the great quarterback man he'd been there for a while. So he knows we doing I can learn a lot from actually do you think? Like, how do you say his name barracks better Ben Rothlisberger? That's how people say but not in Pittsburgh. They Roth buyer while says burger Roth aspire that's accent. Yeah. Day. Let's go downtown and watch the Steelers playing brownies X rothlisburger. Who says good he's going to hall of fame? I thought he talking talk never acted before. Well, you're going to get used to. A high state. You know, the way there's something nice. And you know, to be honest with the poignant about high imagine that you're going to be working at least a little bit with Ryan cheesier a little bit Ohio State. Michigan rivals at one point. Now coming together. Imagine he will help get acclimated the Pittsburgh definite. You should. I mean back your backyard garden from south from south, Florida. So I'll see what see what he's a wonderful guy as well. I'm sure you'll get along gang busters. What's your favorite kind of music lay rap music? You like rap music. Okay. Well, I mean, I think he can play you can play rap music. Okay. I want to sing a song. We're Nashville kissing on. Right. Lambere mail. Blond means Joe and Woodson. Lou. And so many of those you on. Steal couldn't trainee Ambato away the rivers in Pittsburgh, the Ohio Mananga halo Allegheny. I gotta give you that one. I was around because you hear this is it. I mean, I think you're gonna I I know the Steelers typically like the lead a guy sitting learn a little bit. But I do think that that the moment is now sign Ross's per to that extension now couple years they're going to be looking at the win to dead on a roll right away. Now. So so best wishes to best Tia also pirates, Faneuil hockey. I heard hockey a person is actually really really like offering Hockey Hall off twelve do you wanna go downtown downtown downtown Haughey yet. Yen's wanna go downtown and watch the Steeler game. Oh, like, I got to use it as weird. It does it with you. You got a little little uniqueness to it. What number you're gonna get with? Who knows? I don't know. Let's figure that out right now. I don't know what numbers got open. I mean. I know I know fifties. Wow. Fifty shades ear the session as he has fifty five with Mocatta kind of cool on your maybe I gotta see I got to see check in with me. And we'll figure that definitely more excited to get drafted tonight or about seeing the adventures while kind of fifty fifty that on as right now, probably sixty forty what the draft, but it's kind of leaning towards fifty fifty again because the analysis done, and I wanna movie, well, I hear you. But you wouldn't wanna hurt coach Tom that's ninety call could have been there for vendors either. Right. By the way. It's now coach Tomlin goes Tomlin coach Tomlin David day. He like we got to have in Bush now he's going to be doing. That's how it's going to be day rowdy light. Very like, oh, you're gonna. Right. So listen best health to go. Get him out there. You have a city of diehard football fans really excited that you're going to be putting on the black and gold. Enjoy you. Join now the legacy of the greatest defensive pieces that history. Yeah, I'm ready to be a part of that. All right. Let's do one more thing. I wanna see deba- all everybody talks about is your height. Just check. How goes? Who's taller? Devin bushes taller this. Yeah. But that's right. But the other thing you're known for your speed. But you get. All right, go get him, Devin Bush be healthy, man. Have a good time in Pittsburgh. I liked how thrown he was by the Pittsburgh accent? He not like, and I'll say to quickly about him as the first one was I was very impressed that you not only predicted there. The Steelers were trade up that they're gonna take Devin Bush, and you weren't even like shocking. Yeah. I know they're going to the whole time. And then also I saw him the combine a few months ago, and he like for his ties being two hundred and thirty pounds. He had to pass forty. I've ever seen in verse in the guy just flute on the field. So it's pick while I don't know if you've heard but speed kills in the NFL like saying that. But it also is actually true here. I wouldn't have been stunned. I appreciate the compliment. But I also wouldn't have been stunned if they would've said, yeah, we traded up, and we got TJ Hopkinson if that would have happened. Listen, they need somebody to replace the pass catcher that is now playing over and Oakland, but you know, what speaking of TJ we're gonna hear from him in just a second. Meantime, though, the jets with. Maybe a kind of steel I know he went third overall, but by all the scouts account. So they say or the most dependably. Hi, Ed, Donald right, people think he's gonna be a great one and another Alabama great from that defensive line. And and another nice guy immediately. He sat down he turned his hat backwards. When we went from there here. He is everybody Quinton Williams. Shit. First of all, congratulations. How's it New York Jets as a manager to be part of New York? Dismal. A lot of guys on got your digital domain. Alabama was most of the Linda wins. Great news Lambda yet demain great saved about a corner on there with great personality. Great enthusiasm. I manage the great to be a part of that, man. I feel a lot of love for those guys when I came to the visit them, and it just amazing. Maybe in bells are any tweet natch. Yeah. I see I see. Hit man. But when I look at our phone, it'll be amazing. Yeah. Do you d a hate the patriots yet on? Due to face the quarterback. So I'm willing to try get the court about whatever team we play against, you know, a twelve doesn't like he doesn't like inside pressure. Can you provide some of their sermon of the wheels? Man the other guys on the defense. Can do a great saw performed me. Get the 'em Mijas appraising play all three one through three third down. And I get on a really good in the front. So whatever I get to change. Do. I would always who you hug, I think. I go I go on. On. I don't like when guys hubby agent. I you made the right choice, sir. Already looking good. You're gonna be you're gonna be very stylish up in New York's I need to be playing with levian Val. This is. Sam darnold. Let's save Insani here from him yet on I heard this year. But I know for Selma hit him when I get done doing all the media things today. I gotta ask you the first overall pick Cuyler murdering just before you played in the national title game. Somebody asked you about him. And you started the say something, then you're like, no, I'm good. What were you going to say? I'm gonna say, oh, we're not lie. Whistler not like normal defense. We're we're having to rely. We not just in a kind of defense. They was treating this. We'll let column merge run on over in competitive nature of competitive person. I am like all quarterbacks. So man when I get a chance to go the dummy quarterback competition runs because their competitive person. I am I want to dominate every. So I wanna give you treat coming here. What's your favorite kind of music more about I like hip hop. Okay. I can't give you that. I'll give you this. Instead, it's country music. This is this is Dirk here is gonna call him right now. Here's a song. I got for you, baby. Same Donald in Quin. And guess what? New your kids time to stop win and dried for serving. So we win win with Quinton for. That's never been said before. You need just came up with that right here number. You're gonna wear Ono on minute we attitude, so I'd probably just go to picking on. No, no, no. It does matter. Don't be like that. Don't be like whatever you want to quit manager this important decision in your life. You know, fifteen years from now, you're going to the hall of fame. You want it to be cool number for suing the nine. Won't be cool. I think about it when I get to see the numbers that available. Okay. Need help. I'm here for you just said that I thought about like, I got home and recalling days when they called your name when they called your name did your eyes. Do like Adam gates did when they introduced him. Did you see that? Oh well. On that one. You are. Well, Joe you this. What do you think of this? This the goat, man. Go get them. I gotta go say goatman you've got to say it to go. Tonight when he's gonna tell them. Right now. Almost secular a second. I gotta say celebrate on that. Do it hiding ready? Look at that. All right Quinton. I'm very happy for you. Congratulations to I'm glad you didn't have to wait too long. Now, you're going to go out hit the streets and party up with the family on everybody else. That's from go to sleep the sleep too much. Tomorrow go he made I bro. Did you see those uniform Jay you'll see them all at one for serve? Did. I let all of go. Get them sell. Our thank you Gillian best to healthy and best. The best of luck t- York City. Quinton williams. Everybody. Quinton is winning while. We'll see if he does it should have been like a should have been an exa a question. Mark Quinn and his winning. I don't know. Let's see Adam gays showed him the Tom Brady picture. I mean, I kind of think they're the team to take down Tom Brady and the patriots could the jets when the new uniforms I liked I liked his response. One way or the other next up. I mentioned TJ Hawkins and sin goes from Iowa. One is the to Iowa tight ends and other kind of fun little story line there that to Iowa guys both tight ends go in the first round top twenty picks. Even TJ Hopkinson welcomed the Detroit, but first a quick detour to the DFB here in Nashville. Dan. Detroit Lions new superstar tight end. Can you believe it? Can you believe you got draft? Pretty fun, right? Yeah. It's a real. It's a lot of fun. I was having to spend with my family, go back home with them and see them go back tally at hails. But John, I my Grandpa's ninety two. That's great. It's been a it's been a dream of his I'll ruled that will use like, you know, wash. I guys does here now. So so it's exciting. Oh, man. I can't imagine legitimate. We don't laugh. Yeah. I like that. You might be able to mess built play pro football. Not how you about. Yeah. I did. I mean, your hands snaky. So NFC north have you have you had a second even consider this. Did you have any sense that it was going to be the Detroit Lions process? You really don't know. Really? I mean, no one knows what's going to happen knows where you're going. So I mean, I didn't have any hopes have any aspirations. I was just ready to go play ball. And that's I'm sure you've answered it a million times already over the last five six months at least. But you you're all the cops from gronk to Jason Witten. You know, any high end tight end, basically in pro football, the last fifteen twenty years who do you compare yourself to or do you look up to at the position? Oh, man. I mean, there's so many great people look up to. I mean this. This says involves route, you know, the the years, you know, cream Caskey had a great great. I mean, you you love to have something like that. And that's why fired me, but you know, at this point in my life. I gotta make team. I I was drafted I, but I make the team it'd be funny if they cut you I mean, it wouldn't be funny on, but it would be like kinda funny in an IRA. I'm trying to have trust me go where I like that attitude is that would be a shame. It'd be unfortunate. What's what's feels like a nice nineteen so far? But we'll catch up have a laugh about it. We talked about it. So Matt Stafford I mean, like, I say, obviously, I it's unfair to even ask you about that because I'm sure you're over the moon with just the idea of being picked by any NFL team, but legitimately there's a real fit in a spot for you to to be really productive out of the gate here. Here's a great quarterback. Really just excited to work with one of the great arms under century. I mean, he's he's gonna see the game differently than I've ever say. I'm on it. I'm trying to be a sponge, meet western guy Lien's. I mean, I'm sorry Packers. Vikings bears who who's your biggest rival now who hate the most. I was a cease fan so on the lines fan. So she's is that true. You were chiefs. Well from southern I was gonna flip the switch. Your lines guy through through through realize now that live in Kim city. So that's good with that without upset you. They're like, well, listen, we want you to do. Well, but we're not gonna made would us up seven. But they wouldn't do that. They wouldn't be like Kelsey is a little bit better. Oh, they weren't. They wouldn't say that. But I mean, he may be but they would say that. More excited to get drafted tonight or to see the avengers coming up. I don't know. This is pretty exciting. But I was saying I was gonna try and get tickets, but they're also. You can get him out. But I think you'd like see I think now this is this is your new life though. Now. Now, you just call up excuse me. This is I said, I'll have ten tickets. Thank you, though. I could do that. Well, maybe you're ninety two year old grandfather could pull that business. Mario. So that's another story. Let me give you a song real quick. What's your favorite kind of music walked out to main America? So okay. TJ? You sing you can see with you wanna seeing selling about office. Mad Patricia got an new tied end. TJ Hodkinson is going win. That was arrive. Trying. I wasn't ready. Hopkinson soft Iran with this. It is I'm with it. Listen, I want you to go out. And once you have a great night celebrate and enjoy it and have a good and healthy career. And you know, the Detroit lines fans people talk about the Browns and the jets, and like all these hard-luck fans lions fans are really hungry to see a winner. And I think they they just went a long way towards break in the smell of a Super Bowl. Go get him. Budget's those pretty classy from a Hoosier to be so nice great. You are. The. Hit me. I like when the guys hugged the right people, and he does ninety two year old grandfather. I think that's very nice while you always say just never be the agent. I always family girlfriend. I also think I also I mean again, I wanna make it clear. I don't think funny. Ha ha, but funny got cut. I wonder if he would laugh though, because he said he would laugh, but then I have a feeling he wouldn't really like, it's funny. You say that though because answer going to big e to over people seem to still feel weird about taking tied in that early undress. But I feel like in today's NFL you need like a tight like him not only block really well. But he could also catch like, it's a match of nightmare. Like, the new agent of fellows all passing each I need to that. Boy, if they're at all relevant the lions think about that division. Vikings bears Packers all but almost sure to be competitive. If you throw in a fourteen e GATT now, another division known for Dr REEs and tight finishes over the course of a season. The New York Giants play in the NFC east and spaghetti listened. No jive, you you were weren't enamored with the pig. Yeah. It was a not what I wanted is. They were players on the board at six players in the seventeen that I think that we could have come out of the draft, you know, in a better position. And Gettleman from the start said that he wanted the, you know, he liked the Jones he saw them. So that's a franchise qb me. I know he has a connection to ally. And but then you meet them and then. And then we settle. Sky. I you root for it's it's terrific. I will say too, but the one thing again abiding by the no jive policy even here in Nashville. I do think like I kept saying saquon is in his prime. He's a year end his career you decided craft him Gettleman you now then must support that choice by building around that there were offense lineman. They're Montas sweat. There was Josh Allen. You coulda grab you did get the Andre Baker. So that fills one hole in on that defense. I do think though, I mean, Dexter Lawrence fine. I just think that the building really what's the inbetween. Your roster is not is not deep enough that you really need to be developing the next year lie in twenty nineteen cash in on saquon while he still rolling and you have enough building around. I mean, if you would've taken, you know, a tackle. Tackle even that might have made some sense there. But anyway, Daniel Jones, you know, such a nice kid. I hope he hope he is a little tougher than Dave damage is Dave Dave would cry. Like people said mean things when I got drafted and hopefully that'll be water off his bangs Eli two point. Oh, and he lies great shaking off negativity. So I'm sure Dan Jones could too, but hopefully his plays more like paid manning than Eli. But we'll see. All right. Well, let's let's hear from the man himself. Daniel jones. Dave in that don't. Save. First things first. This is great news. I'm really excited for you. And you know, listen, I don't wanna be you know, crass about it. But one of the great things about being in the NFL, look this. You're rich. Look at that man that Jones that's not bad. That's for you. Appreciate it the Commissioner sign that for you later. Okay. I can't promise you that. So what did you think would be did, you know, this was coming? You have some clue from cattlemen and company that hey, don't don't be in the buffet line early on here. I really didn't. You know? I thought I thought our meetings will well, you know, when they were down at Duke, or when when I was in New York, I thought it all well, I thought it connect you with those guys, you know, really, well, but, but I didn't have really idea, you know, I didn't have a lot of expectations going in the night. I just just just happy to be here. But but it couldn't have worked out any better. Did you actually did you think there's a chance I won't get drafted in the first night. And now, I'm here, and I got my nice suit on and everything else. You any of those Nur, you know, some of those infamous shots Aaron Rodgers and breeding and everybody else, right? And we at least. I don't I don't know. I mean, I think that's always a risk coming draft. You never you never know what's going to happen. But I don't know in the mo-. I was just how just thrilled. I wasn't thinking about that too much. I was just just who called you. So coach Shurmur talked Shurmur and Ed tricks operations guy there, and you know, I talked to despite everyone who did you hug. I I think my mom did. Yeah. Yeah. It's not the age, that's bad. When you can't take back because it's not gonna be Christmas. You know, he's not a thanksgiving is. Aged? Those with that check extra large that. Maybe he does deserve an invite have you off at all at any point in the last few months or at any point in your life for that matter off of Eli manning. Gotten to to meet him a couple times when he's been at Duke working out with his guys also at the manning camp that had been down there couple years. So I don't know running into him there and getting to meet him has been it's been awesome. Just kind of watching him watching how he works how he works with his guys was was extremely helpful to be Duke. And I look forward to learning from them in New York more excited about getting drafted by the New York football giants tonight or seeing the avengers later in the week. I don't know. I'm not a big events fan. But even if even if I was I'm not sure beats not not sure giants. That's hard to be. Well, I get. Okay. I'm deanna. What about your interesting? Well, I've never been drafted so rubbed. My rub. My nose in it. You know, like we just met in the media Lee are one the point now that wasn't. I'm more excited about games. If you're there with games. So so listen, it's a big night for you. And I want to introduce you to a new giants fan here any spaghetti just this big moment for doing when he's holding the Lombardi at some point you're gonna look back and say, I met you at your hit your grabbing. You'll be like I don't remember that please go away spaghetti or whatever your name cannot right? Jeez. You know? Catch me guys on my right? Have you spent time in New York City at all? A couple times we played the pinstripe bowl. My my red shirt year. That's twenty fifteen. So that was an awesome experience. It's been a couple of weeks to an internship last summer up in New York with the former football player show. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a, you know, it's it's where everything happens cities with we wouldn't be. I know. Yes, you will immediately. I'm sure if you haven't already been looking at your cellphone, people are gonna be buzzing all about you and everything else are yet. Intrigued by that. Is it something that you are going to as of tonight say I'm never looking at social media. I'm not gonna listen to the radio or anything else. We'll kind of how are you wire in that way? I'm not I'm not a huge social media guy. But you know, I it's part of it you playing the position and being being the quarterback of a football team. Especially in New York, it comes with it. And and I certainly understand that and willing to embrace that. But I think you know with all that stuff. It's important to remember that it starts on the field. And you know, that's that's what's really most important. So if I could if I could give you the gift of making one thing about your gain batter. What is the thing that you feel what would this day jonesing? I get a little bit better at this to be one of the best QB's in the NFL. You know, I think at times I do a better job making the season to to lay the ball throw the ball away. I think coach cut talks about understanding what stopped competing or when the place kind of over with. And and I think I could do that better. Look forward to improve. All right. I you know, what take it or leave it my vices throat. Touchdown passes. And you know, like do and win games to hell you like back sterling shepherd, and I've and have an Ingram's a great guy. Tell him like I'm gonna throw a team. And then like, you get it. And then when other guys try to tackle you don't let him just like don't no way. And then tell him run to the end zone. You know, I don't know be has. But I mean, I think that'd be like, that's you know, that would feel general. Addict. I'm sure you'll cover all that in due time. In the meantime, where you're gonna go out on the town have a good time with the with the family. I'll meet up with them and see what's going on. But yeah, it's been fun of me here in Nashville with them for sure, you know, with the family and everything gets experienced this before. I bet and once again and see I it all comes back to me. And I see like I never gave my parents gift of like me getting the draft in the first round in the NFL says, so so I'm sure they're over the moon for you. Congratulations man and invest wishes to Manhattan appreciate they can't. All right. And let's bring it on home. Here. There's something to what's going on down there and Clemson with Daboh and that great defense and everything else, and they're all jolly fellows and Christian Wilkins, perhaps the jollies of the mall almost killed the Commissioner of the National Football League. After getting drafted by him. Let's hear from Christian Wilkins right now, shall we? I hate to start off on negative note. I'm sure all ready been brought up to you. But you must killed the Commissioner. Yeah. Everyone's them. Yeah. Everyone's about that. But I'm sorry Commissioner I'm looking. And that's very sorry. But you let you live you live to to fourteen overall pick. So I mean, yeah, I was excited. On the two sided. Simple. I guess, you know, I gave them to signal to go up. But he didn't get the memo. I guess I'm not mad. Yeah. I saw right. He was out of his wasn't gonna be very fact, maybe he had jumped it with a work out even worse for. State farm on the ground. Now that I look at this. It's got a little bit of drum major to right because it's got some of the striping took. College number. Everybody knows what that means. Go to the power into. So got the power. By the way, one in one night for for. Oh, it's definitely awesome. It's great. So proud of my guys will we're able to do the night all going into, you know, top seventeen. So it's awesome. Great great. I feel like it's for real. I think this moment in history is kind of going by a little bit too fast. This is the defending champions of college football, you vanquish the juggernauts Bama once and for all like, I mean, I think it's established that you and dabble in the gang down there. His now in a way kind of transcended bam the place to be where fun personalities like you wind up, y'all. Get drafted in the first round awesome. Just the culture everything we we get to that clubs. You know, which is great for like me. The other guys got tonight. We'll make any welcome to better position better. Just because of the thanks. Able to learn that just being around each other. We all challenge each other art show on. Able to do so looking you're steely focus while I don't know. I think with the. Draft may be under attack. Right, right. Once going on just leave. Very much. What are we going to do about the the dolphins logo D? Like, the why the warns you're going to be the who all. Oh, goodness. A nice change a bookstore. And you know, whatever dolphins well scale where I'm gonna look good because the man always makes close close. Remember that already proven? Forty two you're not going to be able to wear that. Unfortunately, that's change positions. I'm going back or some you know, how to catch a exactly or if they put on the back. No matter. Something. I know you're excited. I could tell the joy playing football because you join the game of football to a great news. You're also rich because you're NFL football. Several dawn. Right. That's what what. Maybe those state taxes. So I'm doing pretty good. So far. Pixel before me, I got it by a couple more several million dollars than they. Hey, right. You got it. All. For you, you even orchestrated get drafted by Florida exactly goes one way. I wanna I wanna give you one other thing here opera. Tune in. Say to him. We haven't met of crystal Wilkins. Look I'm looking forward to get to be to twice a year. You know, hopefully, plenty of times in those games. I'll be twice a year. You know, looking forward to play you. Quickly come here. I wanna give you a quick. Give back. For the last twenty years the AFC's been on by one. Team course, thanks Christian Wilkins eight. That's about the change with the help. Brian force. You have a terrible singing book. Ago too. Gradulate man enjoyed and stay healthy. And that's that you know, who knows maybe Christian Wilkins once handsome. Hank gets a gets a look at you know, Christian Wilkins. And what a guy is he'll wanna get back on board needs five minutes to hang around a room with them. Wilkens one of the best personnel very much Christian Wilkins. I like, you handsome, Hank. I could see that. I'd watch that show. Oh, sure. I'd watch that road show. I hope you've enjoyed listening to this show along with that he spaghetti. We've had a grand time in Nashville Tennessee all week long. Thanks to everybody who came out to say Hello, and wherever we were in and said Hello on the streets. Nashville. Thanks to Ryan Bartlett for putting everything together any spaghetti here. Mark Brady is always for overseeing it all the gang. And in fact, I don't know where that country music singer wasn't when we're giving out thank yous though that guy Chester bedding field was really. Dynamite? Thought he was really a high end performance. We'll have to destroy down ROY. We'll find again, I guess we can now try that. Yeah. Hong Tankersley was that his name yet? He's planning to so we'll find maybe we'll go see him. They're all right. We'll talk to you next week back from Los Angeles in stevia sixty six until then thanks so much Nashville, Tennessee, it's been a grand time. Thanks for listening. It's been. Slice.

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The Lightning Round Podcast #175: 2019 Draft Show - Quarterbacks & Tight Ends

Bolts from the Blue

59:27 min | 1 year ago

The Lightning Round Podcast #175: 2019 Draft Show - Quarterbacks & Tight Ends

"Onto white mold Carter. This is the lightning round podcasts with your host Garrett. Sixty and Jamie, Hoyle, go chargers. Go. Guys. Welcome to our second draft prospects podcast. I am gear sixty which is at Garissa St. on Twitter. Jamie is at lightning underscore around. And we're doing to new position groups this week is going to be quarterbacks and tied ends. We're just going to jump right into it. And I just wanna say up top. It's going to be tough going through these quarterbacks real quick. But stay tuned because the tight ends it'll be fun. And we'll we'll save the best for last just stick with us. We had to wash these guys. So we got to tell you about them. Now, you have to listen to it. We did the work. So now, you gotta listen to us complain about it, but we'll get some tight ends. And of course, we'll talk about where these guys fall in terms of the chargers draft plan as well. So let's go ahead and jump right into it. And in no particular order, let's start with Dwayne Haskins the quarterback from Ohio State so Haskins guy who really flew up the boards this year based. On a huge year at Ohio State. He's got a lot of things working in his favor. Despite limited experiences starter. Obviously, the first is he's got a very strong arm. Probably one of the top two or three strongest arms in the draft. In terms of the quarterback class. I think Haskins is willing to hang in the pocket. He's I've seen some people label him as a scrambling quarterback. I think Stephen Smith. Let's sit scrambling quarterback is not he no hand scramble if he needs to. He's a good athlete, but he is a pocket passer. First and foremost, and he's not afraid to take a hitch deliver the ball. That's a man. That's never watched a day of Dwayne Haskins in his life. No kidding. I think you ran the ball like a hundred times all year. No, not even hundred times like fifty times all year. It's crazy. I don't know. How you I don't know. How you call him a scrambling quarterback more of a runner than a passer. Yeah. Crazy Haskins because of the strong arm he routinely fits balls in the tight windows. He's really really. Good between the numbers and from zero to fifteen yards the ball just explodes out of his hands. He throws a night. Nice tight spiral Haskins. Also has a pretty quick release. And shows the ability to layer throws. And when I say layer throws, which is a term. I think will use a lot at least all use a lot tonight. We're talking about somebody who's able to, you know, fit balls in between defenders, maybe you've got a guy underneath and a guy on top. And you're getting over the guy underneath in front of the guy on top without getting the receiver killed. That's what I'm talking about. With layer throws. You're talking about, you know, more complex throws. And he he makes those not consistently. But he does show the ability to make them. I think that's something. He'll be better at as he progresses in his career on the negative side. Like, I mentioned earlier. He's got very limited experiences starter one full year starting experience. So you stands to reason, you know, he hasn't seen a lot of complicated. Blitz. Packages hasn't seen a lot of. You'll complicated coverage schemes and some of that shows up on tape. We'll talk about that here in a minute. I think the accuracy for him even though he had really high completion percentage. The accuracy for him tends to fade as he gets outside the numbers and from fifteen to twenty yards, and it's not because he can't make throw some of physical standpoint. It's because there are fundamental mechanical issues in his throwing motion and with his foot work that make it difficult for him to be consistent the further he gets away from the line of scrimmage. He's a little bit of a body thrower passan's rarely has upper and his lower body sinked up. He relies on his arm strength a lot and has athleticism, and he doesn't really step into throws as much as you'd like to see him. Do it. It's just a it's a developmental thing. He's so big, and so strong and has such a strong arm that he hasn't had to. But it's he's going to have to learn how to climb in the pocket and get his feet under him and step in with rows of the next level. I think Haskins lacks a really good feel for the pass rush. And Haskins wasn't asked to make checks at the line very much in college. He can be very Radic with the deep ball times. And Dwayne also frequently puts the ball at risk of versus zone defense. I noticed a lot of him almost getting picked off by by underneath guys in coverage in zone schemes where he just wasn't seeing them. And he was trying to throw back shoulder fades or was under throwing balls and guys were jumping up and getting their hands on balls that he probably shouldn't have been throwing not necessarily bad decision so much as just not understanding the coverages that he seeing. I think from a project projection standpoint, you're looking at Dwayne Haskins. There's no doubt he's future NFL starter. I think he's going to be a good player has the physical tools and the makeup. I think to be a potential pro bowler. But I don't think he's NFL ready right now. I don't think he's ready to step in and start. I think he's you really want to get him in a situation where he is behind. Some a veteran quarterback who might be on his way out sooner rather than later. So he can sit for a year. Maybe to study film, really get a handle on recognizing those coverages and a he needs the footwork to be cleaned up the blower upper and lower body needs to be sinked up quite a bit more and add like to see him. Get more consistent throwing the ball down field. Maybe throwing with a little bit more touch on a more consistent basis. But I think he is going to be good NFL quarterback. He needs to land in the right system with a good coach who can clean up some of those mechanical issues. I he is my number two quarterback. I have MS. Eighty six so not a first round grade in terms of you know, being between ninety and one hundred like we talk about we'll talk about with some players much much later in the draft process. Not certainly not in this class. But he'll probably wind up sliding into the bottom part of my top thirty two when we're done with this by virtue of being in that, you know, early to middle second round grade range, he's probably gonna wind up being among the top thirty to thirty five players in my in my class wants all of a sudden done. I've got a lot of the same notes on Haskins as a first year starter through fifty touchdown passes last season, led the buckeyes twelve and one on the year. I'll look like he can make every throw at all levels was good on script can handle things. Priests nap pick it up and just he loves his I read in his best when he's in that quick passing game. His pocket presence like you mentioned wains at times and his Phil for pressure. Just isn't there yet? He's only one year starting experience. So it'll come, but it's not there quite yet. Also like you mentioned not particularly good as a passer on the run is definitely a pocket passer. And he's kind of more of a quarterback to just isn't gonna hurt you when he's got a quick read in rhythm he succeeds, but he's kind of thrown off his game little bit if he has to improvise. So even though there isn't a ton to break down. We only have a year of tape. A lot of his tape has the tool to me is like a middle of the road quarterback in the NFL. It seems like a low ceiling high floor, this isn't a comp. But when watching him at fell lot like Marcus mariota with less of the rushing ability. But you know, a guy that's Crispus throws. He can make them all he's not gonna hurt. You maybe a little bit too safe. Sometimes doesn't doesn't Chuck a deep very often? When he does it's not very good. But what he does he does well isn't really a gun gunslinger. But he's a smart operator. And to me, he's definitely one of the first two quarterbacks to be drafted and should be. I've actually got a lower second round grade. He's got an eighty one. For me, but we're in the same boat. I mean, he's not a first round talent right now, but could definitely project into something special. Yeah. I think he's one of those guys who's gonna wind up in the first round just quarterback. And because he's big and strong and he's gonna test. Well on these gonna look is underwear at the combine. He's gonna he's gonna fly up words here as we get into an into the draft season, quote, unquote. And I think a lot of his you don't wanna come deficiencies. But a lot of the things that we mentioned on the negative side are just a lack of from lack of experience more than a lack of physical talent. He just hasn't been able he hasn't been asked to do a lot of things he hasn't seen a lot. And so there's going to be a steeper learning curve. And he might take some time to adjust the speed of the NFL. But I think the talents there that if you surround almost palette, and you put them in the right system with the right coach, I think he could be very productive in the NFL, but he's not somebody. I'd be rushing to take. You know in the top five ten fifteen picks. I think he needs some more development. And there there is a chance if he lands in the wrong system, he could have some issues. I think that's the case with all these quarterbacks. Well, some of them, you know, have no hope at all or so. In fact, speaking of with drew lock the next on this list. We'll get to Cuyler Mary. He's he's coming up next one on the solicits, drew lock and a Missouri. You know, he's a tall strong quarterbacks. You know, a lot of these old heads are gonna love lock, man. He's mobile with that big play potential because of that strong arm. He's got a good release can get the ball out quick. And he has a lot of confidence. He always trying to get something going and he wants to adjust on the fly. And of course, that's when it gets into a lot of trouble. The accuracy is very hit or miss though, we as one of the better deep balls in this class Haskins. They're both deep balls lock drops. His is a little bit too often when working through his progressions has a lot of Batta balls of the line of scrimmage. He's your prototypical QB on paper. He's got a big arm. He's a pretty smart kid. So some GM's going to overlook all these other shortcomings. But to me drew lock looks like a low in NFL starter with more of a backup QB vibe. He's got a flash that arm, but lock is a major work in progress. He. Got a seventy one for me as a low third round pick. This isn't a guy. Love a lot of people are in love with him. But not a guy I think is much worth taking if you're depending your future on him. I completely agree with you to watch trulock. The things that you like about him. You know, this is what you're going to hear the coat the scouts talk about going into the draft. Is he's got the big frame with the big army's good athlete. So he's going to check the the physical attribute boxes pretty much all of them. And he looks in some respects. He looks like he's been well coached from a mechanical standpoint, you mentioned he's got a good release. He's got a very clean simple repeatable motion and a quick release the ball comes out quickly. And with a lot of mustard on it could the scouts are gonna love that. Because I think he's probably got the strongest army league Kevin Haskins or probably one in two in some order. I think I think drew law has armed talent. Obviously to make all the throws he routinely fits balls into really tight windows windows. He shouldn't be trying to fit them into in my opinion. And you mentioned he's mobile enough to buy time extend plays and he can even make plays this feat. When needed not a great athlete, but a good athlete for quarterback. And a guy who, you know, he's not he's not a statue back there. He can move around and by himself time on the negative. And this is a big one for me that I noticed about a lot of these guys is frankly, there's very little if any progression has gained from year to year he was a four year starter. And in my opinion, he still makes the same mistakes as a senior that he made his freshman. Just no real cleaning up. The footwork is a disaster in my opinion. I think he doesn't really anticipate throws. He doesn't throw receivers open very often. He'll hold the ball and staredown receivers. At times, he's very radical all levels of the field. He can look good for five or six throws. And then walk will just kind of fade and look like a complete mess for five or ten throws. Just be all over the place. He makes a lot of really bad reads and decisions, and I think lock doesn't really he doesn't identify or really have an answer for interior pressure. And he has no real feel for pressure. And I think ball securities in issue with him. I saw him fumble quite a bit. When getting hit because he doesn't feel the pressure coming. So he's not protecting the ball. He's looking to make a play the ball pops out when he gets it. And I think our notes pretty much match up. Exactly, he's a low level starting quarterback. Like, I mentioned the lack of progression with his foot work anticipation. The reads, the accuracy, it's all concerning for guy who started for four years. And I think he's gonna turn the ball over a lot. I did not like drew lock it all I had a slightly higher grade on him than you did. But we're in the same ballpark. I'm gonna seventy three which is a late third round pick. I know he's gonna go a lot earlier. I think people are crazy. I think to have a four year starting quarterback who never completed. I don't think he ever completed sixty percent of his passes amount mistaken. If he did it was sixty to him and Daniel Jones, sixty two that's that's a problem for me. He should be completing, you know, sixty four to sixty seven percent of his passes for your starter. At least once and he never really did. So I just I stay away. He's not some definitely not somebody. I'd take in the first round quarterback or not. I think he's a major project. And I think the lack of progression is game is warming because it might without knowing him personally, obviously, it might suggest that he's a little hard headed, and he's not real interested in being coached because these are things that should be cleaned up over for your college career, and they just weren't. Yeah. And then of course, you know, these old GM's are gonna love him. He's tall. He's got a big arm. And that's when you end up with guys like Paxton, Lynch and Brock Osweiler. Learn Barack Menton burger, and you just going off height and strong arm. And you think hey, that's what quarterbacks are made of. And that is not how quarterbacks are anymore. Kyle bowler. Now all that. All right. So let's go ahead and move onto the next one on this list and its Daniel Jones at Duke so Jones, he's a lot like he's a lot like lock in a lot of ways. He's big athletic has a strong arm. Jones can make every throw Daniel understands. How to use his feet one of the things that I did like about him is he uses his feet, very, well the slide around and by time in the pocket. He climbs in the pocket. He doesn't necessarily need a clean pocket to make an accurate throw. Jones is one of the more fundamentally sound guys from the ground up in this class in terms of his upper lower body being in sync. He understands had a manipulate defenders with is and shoulder fakes pump fakes and he's a tough kid who isn't afraid to take a hit deliver the ball. I think Jones struggles with timing. In anticipation throws in the middle of the field. He'll be high. He'll be behind guys be in front of guys. And he puts a lot of balls at risk because he's not in sync with his receivers. Also, tenderly back shoulder fades too far inside at times. I think Jones will hold the ball and staredown receivers when throwing the wide side of the field in spite of his arm strength. He looks befuddled by interior pressure and complicated blitz. Schemes Jones was not asked to make a lot of Justice at the line of scrimmage, and he can be slow to diagnose. And I think he's prone to bad decisions versus zone defense. A lot like twain Haskins. Like I mentioned earlier and he takes on too many defenders. A runner. And this is another guy who's game really didn't progress all that much despite being a four year starter, you would he he was coached by David cliff. So you'd think that if he was anybody was gonna progress it'd be cut cliff who is known quarterback whispered. But I just didn't see a whole lot of progression his game. I think he could develop into a starter. But needs a lot of work. He's going to have a massive learning curve at the next level with reads adjustments at the scrimmage and accuracy in the ball placement were concerned because he's just all over the place despite having a strong arm, and being physically talented just seems like he doesn't really know where the ball was going allot a lot of time. So I I have a seventy two on Daniel Jones a late third round pick right behind drew lock who was at a seventy three. So both. These guys are projects in my opinion. Probably backups. Maybe developing it alone starters. But with a lot of work and a lot of patients. Yes. A much lower on Daniel Jones than you are he passed for over. Twenty six hundred yards and three straight seasons. Duke. He's not afraid to take a hit. You mentioned that display. Some good touch times. He's mobile and get the ball out from all sorts of strange angles. His accuracy like lock like we just talked about both Daniel Jones, drew locks best seasons and turns completion percentage or both at sixty two percent. That is not great guys Jones often. Hell hold on the ball. Too often. Look for the deep ball resulting in a sack earn over. He does not seem comfortable in the pocket. He is fearless and someone athletic. But you just don't know what you're getting from from snap snap. His timing is terrible. He's being wildly overvalued. And I think he's a career backup in my book. This is a day three guy. He is a sixty five for me another major project man, I thought things weren't going to get worse. But they certainly did after watching drew lock. So let's. So let's finally get onto Cuyler Murray. And this is of course, a big hot topic because he recently declared and he's not going to be playing baseball and he's going to focus solely on being a quarterback in the NFL. He is by far the best athlete of this class with the baseball background. He's very good on the run. He can hit it all as a Russia Murray is so dangerous. The best part about his rushing abilities is ability to avoid the big hit at the end. He will slide to avoid contact or get out of bounds. Which obviously it his size is a positive Maria strong on his short throws deep throws. But be a little Radic. In the intermediate part of the field. He'll need to develop a better feel for the pocket. Too often. He's ready to take off with it. Because he knows he can get it with his feet height is going to be a sticky point for a lot of GM's come draft time. But like I mentioned if you're drafting on height you're going to get some bad quarterbacks like Brock Osweiler Paxton Lynch, it's hard because there's no baseline for a guy that small. It's not a trait that I get hung up on even if Carlo Murray, he's listening to five ten if he's more five eight five nine the arguments going to be about all the bad. Balls scrimmage not being able to get it over often lime in and defensive lineman being able to swat it at the line. But in college Murray had five tip passes last season at the line. Dwayne Hoskin had five drew lock had eight Daniel Jones had twelve so the other top QB's in this class where either tied or had more tip balls than Murray. It was the same argument we saw with Russell Wilson. And Russell Wilson as short quarterback has never been top ten in the most Bada passes in the season over his career. So I'm more worried about Murray packing on pounds to his frame than I am about him adding inches to his height. He has the listening. He's gonna get taller. It doesn't put him in platform shoes. It doesn't matter. Let's put more. I'm more worried about his weight and his frame. He's got the athleticism. The arm talent to be a star in the NFL. And by all accounts, he still growing the position. He'll need to improve on the intermediate throws pack on some muscle. Have a better feel for the pocket. He's gotta just the interior pressure. That's where I think the height is a disadvantage forum the interior pressure really gets at his feet, but just ignore all the other arguments about height he's graded out as second round quarterback to me, and he is one point higher than Haskins and my number one quarterback in his class. Kyla Murray with an eighty two. Hey listeners. 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I think the ball placement needs some work. It can be a little bit hit or miss particularly downfield Murray has a very small frame that might not not like you mentioned might not hold up with his style of play. He looks like he's a guy who's probably gonna measure in at like five nine five eight probably one eighty one ninety he's teeny tiny, and he's wiry and he's gonna take. A lot of hits even with his speedy still gonna take a lot of hits. So I would be worried about him holding up physically if he's going to run as much as he didn't college Murray was asked to do a lot in college. And I think he tries to do a little too much at times, and he's going to be need to be reined in a little bit and stay within the system a little bit more. And I think Murray is accustomed to throwing it into enormous window. So he's going to have to get used to throwing the ball into much tighter windows in the NFL. And some there are times when he can hold the ball little bit too long. I think he is an NFL starter. I think there's enough there to think that he's going to be pretty successful NFL starter. He's going to need to refine his reads and rain in that desire to make a big plan every snap. And I think like I mentioned I have some concerns about his frame considering style of play. I think he's more. Even though he's got about the same amount of experience as Dwayne Askins think he was asked to make more complicated reads Haskins wasn't college and. I think he's a little bit more polished as a passer that Haskins is in some regards. I haven't as an eight so an early second round pick. Wow. I think he's going to be again, he's probably gonna wind up in my top thirty to thirty five players. But I like Murray I think he's gonna be good quarterback. I think the trick is going to be keeping them healthy. So okay. I don't wanna ruin your top five yet. So I want to ask the question. That's just go ahead and move onto our last quarterback on this list before we list a sleeper, and it is will Greer at a West Virginia. Do we have to? It's only five I mean, let's just look through this. So Greer is the things that I like about him, and I kind of had to search for things that I liked about him. He's got a quick release. He throws the ball. Pretty well. On the run GRA has a knack for making big plays. He's fearless good frame. And he's mobile enough to extend in create with his legs when he needs to. There was a lot more that I didn't like about we'll Greer. I think the footwork is lousy. He's constantly falling away from her lunging into throws. He has this weird thing where he lunges into throws and his head snaps around. And he winds up with his head over his front foot. And he's almost looking at the ground of the sideline instead of his target. When he releases the ball. I cannot stand the way throws the ball. It just it's it's a mass. It's gotta be fixed. There's a hitch the top of his throwing motion that leads to a lack lack of accuracy downfield. I think we're is loose with the ball in the pocket as a tendency to fumble it has trouble catching snaps at times. He's. First instinct under pressure is to retreat give up more yardage. That's a bit of a problem. Greer is borderline careless with his decisions in pursuit of big plays down the field, and I have questions about his arm strength. I don't think he's got a great arm. I think Greer is a backup quarterback like lock. I think he's a mess fundamentally and causes. Accuracy issues in the ball placement. Is inconsistent. Not sure about the arm strength. And he's way too loose with the ball. I have a sixty five on well Greer, which is amid fourth round pick. I I think you're looking at a career backup. I just think there's too much work to be done here. I think the reads are going to get way more difficult for him because he played in a wide open offense. And I just I still think he can read a defense. Very well. So I I I wanted to like him because I've heard some things about his story. He sounds like a good kid who's worked hard to put himself in a good position really wanted to like them. Just really didn't. Yeah. Me. Neither man. We're we're right in the ballpark. He's got good size six to two eighteen good vertical. Passer can hit the throws down the silent or up to seem. He showed some flashes of some good throws on the run. While the pocket is clean Greer can operate. When there's pressure is. When the wheels completely fall off, his biggest weakness, mental processing more times than not. He's going to stick to the script is going to go with pre snap read. And it is awful defense is get aggressive his Radic. He's panicky will greet does have a lot going for him other than size and somewhat of a vertical passing game. He's got average arm strength week mental accurate for the position in cracks under pressure. This is a strip down project with a low in backup. Maybe even camp arm all over him. I've got him one point higher new sixty six amid fourth-round grade. We are right there on Greer. And we've been some we're a little bit different on Daniel Jones, but between lock in Jones and Greer and these guys that are being revered as you know, these top five quarterbacks class. We're all. Saying no, this is the bad group. But let's let's just go ahead and get past it. Let's move on to sleep sleeper. I'll let you start who's your sleeper quarterback. So I had two guys that I'll give you one. One guy that I really enjoyed watching. I thought he was a lot of fun to watch was Jordan Tamou from oldness. He's got a really quick release. He's an above average athlete who can create an extended his legs, very strong arm. The ball jumps out of his hands. Tom who has good decision maker? And he's very accurate. He's he's had limited experience. So that's going to be a knock on them. You only had one full year as a starter at old miss. He will hold onto the ball to Aung times. Tom would benefit from throwing with more touch down the field. I think he likes to show off that arm a little bit too much and he can overthrow receivers downfield at times. He will telegraph throws at times. And I think Tom will also tends to look rattle against more complicated defenses. He'll hold the ball. He'll stare guys down force balls in tight windows. I was really enjoying watching him. And then I watched him play against Alabama and the wheels fell off, and he was a mess with interior pressure. And he just. He just didn't know how to respond to a real defense. So I think he's a guy who certainly could be a backup in the NFL for a long time. And I think if he lands in the right system and gets improper coaching. He might be able to progress into being kind of a low end starter. Maybe a swing starter kind of guy spot starter. I don't know that he's got a very high ceiling. But I think he's got a pretty high floor. Just a you know, kind of a game manager was with the ability to be exciting and makes a big place. Yeah. So this was a hard group to go over. So I've got a sleeper is not it's not a big deep sleeper. You know, there's there's some guys that are getting some love over over my guy, and you know, there's guys like Tyree Jackson and Ryan Finley and Gardner, Minhsiu and Jarrett's them. That's kind of getting a lot of play. And the guy that I've think is a lot better and people are mentioning is Brett Rippin from Boise state. You know, he's a consistent performer. He won't while you often but commanded offense and with this QB class mesh put them towards a lead of the pack here because not one of these guys can he will stand strong in the pocket deliver late developing routes. He works through progressions like few guys in this class. Does he has issues with some disguises the times not also very mobile quarterback? In fact, he looks awkward when he's gotta go on the run, but ripping has the ability to control an offense he could work through its progressions, his arm strength is good enough and have some fearlessness in the pocket now while he has limitations doesn't offer a bunch of side. He has the makeup dependable backup QB in the NFL that won't hurt you a low end starter ability, but more of a backup. I've got a sixty nine on him his amid fourth-round grade and just a guy that isn't getting a ton of run. And I liked Rippin better than I think most do you know, he was very nearly my starter. I'm not my starter my sleeper. I I liked him. There was a reason that I backed off of him, and it was because I felt like complicated schemes gave him fits and he would make bad decisions and mistakes at the wrong time. And I also noticed that he tends to fumble the ball when he gets it. But I think that there are things about him to like for sure, and I could certainly see him being kind of a long-term backup in the league. Particularly NFL teams love guys whose fathers played in the league and his dad played in the league went Super Bowl in the league. So that's gonna give them a leg up on some of these guys. And I think the arm strength is there. You can throw the ball down the field. There's there's a lot to like about him to bring him in as a camp arm and give them a shot to be maybe a third stringer this year maybe develop into a second string quarterback. I could see that aren't. So let's go top five. Give me your top five. Let's go five to one my fifth quarterback is Daniel Jones at a seventy two drew lock is number four to seventy three somebody. We. Did not talk about this Jared stem at a seventy six is my number three Dwayne Haskins number two with an eighty six and Cuyler Murray number one with an eight damn I didn't think you'd have marinas number one. I do too. I've got will Greer is number five is by default. Just because there isn't enough. Good quarterback. I never four Brett Rippin at sixty nine. Drew lock is seventy one at three two and a half Skains eighty one at number two Cuyler Murray. My number one quarterback of this class as Jamie's and in terms of chargers drafting a quarterback how you feel about that at twenty eight Jamie. No, no. Yeah. No. I think I think the chargers can can and should kick. This quarterback can down the road another year. That's why I just was like signed, you know, Smith already just fill the spot. It doesn't even matter Dwayne Haskins Cuyler Maria probably the only starting caliber quarterbacks in this class, and they're gonna. Be gone before the chargers pick twenty eight and I would just leave it alone. And you know, there's there's talk the calamari is gonna fall down to twenty eight. But Cuyler Murray doesn't give up the guaranteed money playing baseball. If he doesn't have some kind of handshake promise, wink, wink that he'll get drafted in the first round. He's gonna get draft in day one. He's gonna draft day one because he's going to be a huge draw. Everybody knows his name and somebody's gonna fall in love with them. Probably the Jaguars. But he's he's gonna wind up going early for sure. And he's not going to be there at twenty eight. And I've seen people suggest Harry Jackson in the fifth or sixth round might as well. Just stick with cartel Jones. Tyree. Jackson is a is a popular one in. Yeah. I see and feel Jackson Kylie that feels like Kyle led a last year charger fans love that guy were like, hey, pick them up later late day too early three. He wasn't very good. And you know, you saw here, and he wound up going early in the second round of all the all the buzzy. Yeah. I thought I'd like Ryan Finley because he was really hot last year. Didn't like him all that much. Trace McSorley is a mess. I just don't see anybody that I feel like they have to go out and get even even in the late rounds. It's I agree with you. I'd say kick the can down the street a little bit. There's going to be much better draft class in twenty twenty. And I don't think any of these guys pan out past marine Haskins. So I'm not in the rush take any of them. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Don't don't we draft capital on it, you might as well just get an undrafted free agent and hope that he can be a camp bar at that point. So let's go ahead and go on a tight ends and get to the fun part. I'll go ahead and start since you started quarterbacks we're gonna start with the Tynan duo from Iowa. I one is TJ Hopkinson from Iowa he won the John Mackey award as the nation's top tied in last season. He he ran every routed Iowa can be DB's at every level. He has very good adjustment to the ball. When it's in the air routinely, high points, it shows real reliable hands show. No limitations as the blocker in college. Even. Challenge defensive line into line his a nasty blocker. Well, Hopkinson might not run by you. He is so clean. There's overall technique. He'll still find ways to beat you TJ Hopkinson is as well around a tight end is you could ask for excellent two elite in almost every category. Great on he'll be a top ten tied in league and almost every system right away with no limit to his upside. Here's my highest prospect date so far through two shows ninety five mid first round pick TJ Hopkinton. I also very much like TJ Hodkinson. He's he's very good. He's a lot of fun to watch. You mentioned it. He's a great blocker. Very good pass protector who is keeps his feet moving sticks to pass rushers. He runs Cleese clean precise routes. He's always open in the middle of the field. Pretty much. No matter what he makes plays at all three levels of defense. Like, you mentioned Hopkinson has a huge wing. Stan wingspan an impressive vertical. Leap that. Make him a dangerous red zone weapon. He's also athlete enough to climate make blocks at the second level he adjusted the ball like a wide receiver. And I think he has pretty like very good speed speed to run away from defenders certain linebackers and safeties. For me. I think Hopkinson the run the run blocking technique. Liz needs a little bit of refinement, he'll drop his head a little bit, and miss blocks. But I'm nitpicking he'll overrun and with blocks the second level occasionally, not a big problem, but just something to keep an eye on. And I think he needs to get a little bit stronger, but he's nasty as a blocker, very aggressive. Very physical. All good things. I have an eight on him. So just a little bit outside the first round again probably gonna wind up my top thirty two and I didn't get he's not on the first round, basically because he's a tight end. And I think that positions low undervalued, but certainly very good player. Somebody who should be a first round pick. I think will be a first round pick. And like you mentioned is going to be a very good player in this league for a very long time really really liked watching TJ Hopkinson. Yeah. All right. Well, let's talk about the other Iowa tied in. Let's talk about Noah Fant, so no offense. He's a versatile weapon who lines up all over the formation. He's got great speed. You see him on tape. Run away from linebacker safeties and corners fan routinely makes tough physical catches on third down in the red zone. He's able to stretch the defense put out wide, very reliable hands. I think the knock on him right now is that he's not very physical or technically sound as a blocker. Fant probably would be better suited to being a backside help Walker than he is a lead blocker at the point of TAC fan is frequently the last offensive player off the ball. He can struggle adjusting to under thrown walls at times fat tends to lunge reach and grab as a blocker. And he frequently allows defenders to sneak inside of him in pass protection. I still like him quite a bit. He's not. He is my number two tight end. He's right on Hawkins heels for number one just a couple of points behind and for me what? It really separates them is the blocking. I think Hopkinson is an NFL ready blocker right now. And I think Fant is a guy who is a little less willing to block the technique isn't there, and he's going to need some work. He's going to make a difference as receiver right away. But he's a guy who you probably don't wanna be your tight in one on the field blocking consistently. Just not quite there yet. So I haven't eighty six on him. So again, just outside the first round and like with Haskins and Murray will more than likely wind up my top thirty to thirty five players, but not quite a first round pick in terms of recreating system. Fant is an athletic free plan tied in. He can catch anything in his facility. Every errant thrown as direction he found a way to adjust to make the grab his get off. From the line of scrimmage is next level. Like Hawkin fan. Ran all the routes at Iowa. He's a big time red zone weapon had seventeen inside the twenty last year wasn't asked to block a lot. When he did. He looked very soft. Like, you mentioned also. For nit picking a little bit. Also body catches a little bit too often. No fans going to definitely race updraft boards after tests. The combine because he's an athlete that you do not see at the tight end spot very often. He's got an enormous catch radius. We'll be mismatch wherever you lines up. This is another tight end that'll go in day one maybe early to as going to give some teams offense an automatic boost. Like, you mentioned he's just a couple of points behind a Hopkinson for me as well. He's got a ninety two still first round player for me. But because of the blocking a little bit because of the catching in the hands. He got dropped a couple points. But both first round talents in terms of just a player. So I've got both fan and Hopkinson with first round grades. And I've got Hopkinton ahead of fan. So let's go ahead and move onto the next one on this list and its Irv Smith junior from Alabama now Irv lined up everywhere at Alabama because they did line up everywhere. They asked him to do a lot including run blocking and pass bucking. He seems to have a high football IQ because they picked up a lot of things pretty quickly. Throughout the season. Smith was a reliable weapon QB's at Alabama posted a hundred and fifty seven point seven passer rating targeting Smith. He's also the top tiny in the class in both yards per target and touchdown rate. Smith, isn't the athlete of fantasy. But he possesses true yak when it gets the ball in his hands. He's had one year starting experience without running is still little raw. But for where he is. He seems to have a lot of room to grow earth doesn't have your traditional big hokey tied and frame. But he just does it all as a pass catcher and a blocker from anywhere on the field. He has an eight from me, which is a high second round grade low. I I did not like Smith as much as you did. I thought he was kind of boring to be honest Smith. I think he's probably the most physical and most technically sound Walker in this class. He's right there with Hopkinson for sure he's affected as a place. I lead. Walker a move blocker an impasse protection. Smith consistently moved offenders off the ball most effective in my opinion in the short interview. Passing game. He has good hands and good size. He will make tough physical catches on third down to me. I thought he looked kind of stiffened slow on tape. I don't think he's as as Hopkinson and Fantar Smith doesn't generate much in the way of separation at he will occasionally let smaller defenders inside his frame. I thought he I think he has limited upside as receiver struggles to change direction and make people miss in the open field and is not going to stretch the field. I have seventy seven on him, which is a early third round pick probably late second round more likely. But just didn't I didn't think he was his fun as Hopkinson and Fant and doesn't possess the ethnic upside that those guys do. All right. Yeah. Yeah. We're we're on different pages there. Okay. So let's go onto the next one. This is the kid from all miss Dawson knocks. So Knox is a guy that I really enjoyed watching. And I think he's a guy who I think he just he. He was in a bad situation for a tight end. Because there were so many good receivers at old miss that. He just didn't get the ball. And he should have got the ball. Lot more kind of a coaching fail in my opinion. He's smart always aware of what's happening around him on the field. Nas consistently turns his shoulders towards the QB and looks for the ball settles down and saw spots. He gets open. He's primarily featured as a blocker in the run game packs. A major punch as a move and leave blocker coming through the whole docs, has strong hands makes a lot of contested, grabs and traffic. He has the potential of add value in the intermediate passing game might even be able to stretch the field. I think he's a good athlete will probably test well and climb up boards at the combine Knox is more of a tandem blocker help Walker pass protection think he struggles with speed Russia's off the edge. He ran kind of limited route Trie was mainly uses decoyed take guys field and and create underneath opportunities for AJ Brown. And he. Doesn't create a ton of separation, but I like him. I think he's a guy who can grow into receiver role. He's NFL ready as a blocker. Now, certainly in the run game can be a solid tied into and I think in the right system with proper coaching. I think he can develop into a solid tied into as receiving option. At a nice complimentary piece. What was your great on him? I have a seventy six on knocks. Everybody at chief of the verge. I has podcast every week called the verge has my friends Paul Miller, indeed or bone. We've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology, how it impacts culture, and how that is all a big cycle that causes us to have a wide variety of feelings that you can listen to every Friday we've done over three hundred and six years since avert has been around. But you only need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up on everything in tech. News virtue is on apple podcasts. Spotify everywhere else who listen to podcast, check it out. Kind of talked about this before the podcasts were texting back and forth. But yeah, Dawson Knox was criminally underutilized at old miss, but showed a lot in his minimal action. He caught three nine passes in three years, but he never had a touchdown. He's a fluid route runner a lineup everywhere. He was also a guy that ole miss ran is both run and pass blocker. He showed the ability to be a vertical threat and get some extra yards after the catch knock shows some good catch radius and rarely body catches DASA Knox. As more of a projection than a plug and play starter. They had a lot of weapons at all miss and knocks was kind of the odd man out there and on tape. He's a pretty good route runner to nations block can give vertical. But he didn't get his opportunity to prove himself, which is kind of making him a hit or miss type guy going straight off traits. Knox would be a top five tight end in this class. But without the production. He'll fall little and that might make him one of the better value picks in the draft because he's pretty talented, but just wasn't able to. Show it that's not his fault. Just didn't get the opportunity. So we're actually close I've got a seventy eight on him. So, you know, high third round grade maybe creeping up to the low second like knocks. But you're right. Just a big coaching fail on their part. The next guy in the last guy on our list before we get to sleepers cadence Smith from Stanford. He's got a freakish frame at six five to fifty Smith was a fearless receiver fighting for the ball for the middle and tight rope walking the sideline. He's got good. High point ability does a nice job adjusting to the ball in the air. And they're quite a few bad throws his way that he made plays on the most tight ends. You wouldn't see do that. His route running is somewhat raw my opinion. He's particularly sloppy at the top of his routes. His blocking ability is somewhat hitter. Mrs. Well, cadence myth would be your steady tied in presence. He won't get much separation. But when he does man if it's in his area, he'll catch it isn't much of a mismatch at a size. But what he does he does well with some room to grow. He's got the ability to be a solid pro. And. Most drafts he's you'd be taking a lot higher. But because there's kind of a lower ceiling for Kane Smith, in my opinion, he's probably gonna go in the middle rounds but in most draft glasses because this is such a stack Tynan class you've probably going higher. I've got a seventy two on him which is a third round pick. I like kids Smith. I liked him a little bit more than you. Did he's I mean, you mentioned a lot of it. He's a big physical target in the middle of the field. I think he tracks in just the ball like a wide receiver. He really owns the seams in the deep near media passing game is a good athlete. Smith is very physical and polished as a run blocker. I think I think the pass protection is an issue, and he gets a lot of very consistent movement in the run game as a blocker in my opinion Smith is ethnic enough to climb a second level blocks in the run game. And he always keeps his body between himself and the defender and always extends and catches with his hands as opposed to catch against his body. Cadence Smith, I think is running. Could use some work. Like you mentioned. He ran a lot of routes in college pretty diverse route Trie just not very good route Trie at this point in his career Smith occasionally overruns blocking assignments at the second level. He wasn't as much of a factor in the red zone as you'd expect. But he was also playing with JJ Whiteside. So that's to be expected. I guess he has to make a lot of contested grabs because he doesn't like you mentioned you doesn't create a lot of separation in the short passing game. And he has to throttle down to get in and out of his brakes because he's he little tight in the hips. And he just doesn't doesn't accelerate through his cuts? Very well. I like the contested catches. He makes I think he's going to be a good blocker in the NFL proper coaching. I haven't been a seventy nine so early third round pick. But he's a guy that I like, and I think he's gonna start out as a solo complimentary tight end. And I think he might develop into something a little bit more than that with the right opportunity. All right. So I'll give my first sleeper and then. You can go ahead and give yours. Mine is Jay stern burger from Texas, Texas. Am stern burger started. College crew at Kansas after two years of not really being utilized there in the program. He desired a large role with the Juku route before landing with the aggies. He's six four to fifty. He's a physical force after the catch. She will bring contact to defenders dragging would be tacklers down possesses a mean stiff arm he's dangerous up to seems in his good going into and out of his brakes. He's developed some nuance to his routes as well. But it isn't perfect is blocking his great either. But he's in line to be a very good tied in the NFL, and he can really move. Jay stern burger can move pretty good for a size too. Because being two fifty six four. I look much bigger on the field like you. And I went back and forth about him earlier. He's a monster with yards after the catch can kill it up to see over the middle. He's kind of flying on the radar right now because he's someone of an unknown. But I think he's going to be climbing up boards pretty soon. And I think he's. Gonna be one of the better value picks of this class. I've got Jay stern burger with seventy nine which is a high third round pick. All right. So my first sleeper is Allison Mack from Notre Dame. And this guy that I haven't really anybody talk about I saw a little bit during the season made. Sure, I studied his tape obviously for the show here. I think MAC is a good run blocker, particularly the second level. He's a very good athlete might be one of the faster tight ends in this class. He had possesses a good vertical. And he's a good weapon on the jump ball. Fifty fifty balls MAC has sticky hands. He's physical at the catch point. And he has the frame and the catch radius to be very good in the red zone. I think he was very easy guy. It was very under utilized in college. He was negatively impacted by book described only his dog shit quarterback play by Brandon wimbush for the last couple years. But as soon as they put in Ian book this year his numbers went through. Roof think he went from catching like sixteen balls one year in nineteen balls the next to catching thirty nine or forty balls this year, he went from being like a little underneath dump off guy on third and short stretching the field and making contested grabs in the middle of the field. He's going to be a very dangerous weapon. The seems in my opinion, and then your media depressing games. He is a guy who if I had to make a comparison a green type a guy who is he's better than green was a blocker coming out. But he's kind of a freak athlete with that big frame when those long arms, and I think he's going to be able to stretch the field. And he's a guy who is going to make some big plays. He might not be consistently on. But he has the ability to help help stretch the field and be be an impact player in that way. So I I liked him quite a bit. I have a seventy two one him. So a late third round pick probably will fall into the fourth round be a. A-3 pick just because nobody's talking about him. He was invited. The combine. I think he's probably gonna test. Well, and we'll probably climb boards once he does. But a really nice because he can run block and because he can catch the ball. So. Well, very nice complimentary tight end for a team that might be looking to develop depth behind. An all star caliber tight end hint hint. All right. Well, let's go ahead and get into the top five then and I'll start with five and go onto one five for me as Dawson knocks with seventy eight Jay stern burger may my top five with seventy nine Irv. Smith is my number three time in with an eighty eight Noah fan ninety two TJ Hopkinson my number one tied in with a ninety five Dawson Knox's also number five with seventy six Irv. Smith is my number four with seventy seven Kate and Smith number three seventy nine Noah, Fant, eighty six number two and TJ Hopkinson is my number one with an eighty eight set it on Twitter. And I know you've got kind of kind of echoing my sentiment. How you feel about a couple of tight ends and number twenty eight for the chargers here. Yeah. You know, you look at the board. And you see how some of these defensive linemen are gonna come off the board. Some of these linebackers are gonna come off the board. Obviously, they're not taking the quarterback. I think there's a lot of value and taking tight end of twenty eight kind of like what they did with hunter Henry a couple years ago where nobody was really expecting it. And they jumped on him because he fell down. I think you could have. Yeah. I think you have a very similar situation here if particularly of TJ Hopkinson is there at the end of the at the end of the first round he'd be guy that I'd take in heartbeat to pair with hunter Henry ending their a couple reason you do that one. Obviously we've been saying this couple years, I'll repeat it teams to move on from anto gates Virgil green is strictly a blocking tight end. You know, we we'd hope that he might contribute his receiver. He really didn't. And doesn't look what they're interested in using him in that role. So he's going to stick on the team. It's going to be as a blocking tight end. So you get a guy like Hawkins in who can make plays it all three lows the defense who gives you options applaud her to be on the field in two tight end sets with hunter Henry, I just think you kind of open the. Offense up. You you have you give yourself an opportunity to replace know tyro Williams, potentially a Travis Benjamin as deep threats, it just it just gives you a whole new wrinkle a whole new level of of opportunity, and and just gives you some more explosive playmaking ability in the middle of the field, which I think is something this team missed last year with Henry being out. So that's something that I would certainly look at. Yeah. You know, I wouldn't have thought it before going into these tight ends. But I really warmed up to the idea of of TJ Hodkinson or no fan there at number twenty eight for the chargers, you know, I know obviously tied in isn't the charters biggest need, and I think a lot of the high end linebackers and defensive lineman like you mentioned be on early. And I think there's gonna be some value, and we'll get to that. And some later shows, but it just seems like to me, I don't know if you're going to get better value than a guy like Noah Fanta, TJ Hopkinson at that spot. The then would pay. Hunter Henry with one of those Iwa tight ends. And you've got to hide in titans wouldn't take either off the field. You've not only added another receiving weapon for Philip rivers. You can go to tide and sets you can open up the middle of the field. And if you wanted to you potentially have a backup plan for a hundred Henry, if he again cannot stay healthy, and they wanna go another direction. I mean, we there's no denying the talent hunter Henry has. But he just can't stay healthy. And you know, like, you mentioned the chargers will most likely lose Tyrone Williams of free agency. And if they decide to pull the plug on Travis Benjamin, then you're not really losing a ton. And you're receiving weapons if you get a guy like Hawkins center fan and also especially in Hawkins case, if he does fall the twenty eight and you've got hundred Henry and teach Hopkinson on the field the same time, you can do so much. It opens up your offense. And it'll improve your running game too. You know, that was a big sticking point with a lot of people when. Not even through the idea out there today was hey, you know, they got improve offense lineman. Will if you've got a really good blocking tenant like Hopkinson that's an extension of the running game. They can help run block. And so can hunter Henry we know how good he is run blocker. So having both of them with the threat of going out and getting open as receiving weapons. I think you kind of keep your offense a little bit more flexible than you. Otherwise would have and you know, the other route I guess is going day to tied in that wouldn't hurt either. You know, if if somewhere around two or three find a guy like Irv Smith or stern burger knocks or Cain Smith or a couple Isaac new water. Or Dax Raymond there's there's a bunch of guys in the middle of that pack in day to day three that could add a lot of value. They can help you out right away and upgrade the charters often. So they don't have to tight end. And obviously, it's not the charters biggest need, but it would really really open up that offense. And you know, obviously, they can plug up some other holes. Agency. And with the other six picks they have throughout the draft. You know, the first round pick isn't the end all because everybody's panicking that tied in isn't the biggest need and they have hundred hundred. Why would they get another tight end? They can do it with other picks. But just looking at value, you might not get better value than Fanta Hawkin. Yeah. I mean, look we're not saying they should get rid of hunter Henry, they we both love hundred res huge part of the offense. We both expect him to be extended. When that time comes after the season, but he is not been healthy for a full season yet he's been very productive. But he has not always been healthy and they needed somebody behind him who can fill his production and right now when you look at that depth chart, even if they bring gates back he can obviously cannot replace what hunter Henry does. And they shouldn't bring him back. Virgil green cannot replace hundred Henry does. And then you've got Sean Kokin back there who could barely replace what verbs agreeing does. So you need. Somebody a second receiving option at tight end to help open things up to around third down in the red zone. I know everybody's gonna say well gates can still do that. No. He really can't. He he really can't he might show up occasionally. But he was not that good this year. And he was not that good in the red zone in particular if he had three touchdowns or two touchdowns all year, they need a livelier body, a more explosive body and Fant and Hopkinson both provide great options at the end of the first round gives you some flexibility of Henry gets hurt again, and you decide to move on from him. Or if you just wanna have that additional depth that additional production behind him? Do you wanna take the sixth or seventh? Best offensive tackle in the first round. Because you have to have an offensive tackle. Or do. You wanna take gets value and take the best tight end to the second. Best tight end. I mean, it's just a matter of you gotta find that mesh point of need and value and production. And I think this is an interesting example of that with Hawkins fan. Yep. All right. Well, not a wrap up our show today. Thanks for listening guys. We appreciate it. 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Eye On the Enemy #3: Dissecting Detroit w/Sports Info Solutions

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Eye On the Enemy #3: Dissecting Detroit w/Sports Info Solutions

"Hi this is Jim from the step over the radio ballers podcast talking seventy sixers tune in this off season. SEASON IS MY CO host. Maximize talk next steps and solar recovered from sixers raptors game seven over a span of many many months were listened back to old episodes and make fun of how wrong we were it to be confident only on the nation podcast network. We got our eye on the enemy. Here your apple leading green nation powered by espy nation. This is episode. I your host Michael Kiss and I'll keep this short and let you know that we've got a great conversation for you coming up with with Benjamin Sollac as he was joined by the guys from Sports Info solutions you may have heard them on this feed before for a couple of fireside chats they always bring the fire there the Director Ah Football and Research Madman at Sharon and a personal friend of mine brace Rossler who works as a video scout for them along with doing some rnd work they're going to go even deeper into this eagles matchup with Detroit lions coming up on Sunday with some great analytical nuggets and more and Hey shut out to Benjamin Sollac filling in for me to do this last moment as I've been dealing dealing with a bug for the past couple of days. We're going to try and get the second part of our kissing Zolak preview series today will see what my health permits but either way. I really think you're going to enjoy this conversation with Ben and Sports Info Solutions Seles kick it to that right now and I am Benjamin so lack the last person you'd expect to be hosting a podcast on this network not usually what I do but as I am subbing in for my today I am Ben so like here with the boys from supports inflow solutions. You've heard them before. You've typically heard them with Mike. You typically heard them. Kinda take Mike around the yard a little bit. Let's see what they do to me Madman and Cherian Bryce Rossler gentlemen say hello to the good people. BGN radio well how you doing and what what's your role specifically at Sports Info Solutions. What does the work that you guys do there and where can people find you on the Internet. What's up and thanks for having us. This is Matt. Ah I'm doing well even though we had to suffer through another brutal Thursday night football game last night imagine watching a single snap of that game. I don't know we gotta hate. Watch Mariota a little bit on our side. mixed nice watching quarterbacks. That can't aim make garments. You look like he's really a stud quarterback in comparison but yeah I'm the director of football and research here at SIS. My background was as a scout with the saints and the Browns Yeah head up the Football Department here in the RND team and on joined by trustee Associated Bryce. Hey I'm bryce during the season I work in operations side so I'm involved in the Charter of the Games and then during the off off season I lend a hand and help out in the research and development departed carrying some some water for the more senior analysts there and that's pretty much the extent of what I do here bur no one ever in the world sounds less thrilled introduce themselves and Bryce ever since I met him. I'm I'm bryce darn it. I am I'm here. This is the worst feeling just imagine being inside his head because I think that's how it is all the time like. I'm pretty sure he's internal. Monologue is pretty much just like upset about being bryce. Most of the time woe is me. Did you guys like I do. You guys like men show over there coming out. was he a guy that you thought it had some run as a backup has some potential essential to stick in the league. What was kind of your thoughts came in Washington state so I don't know how Matt felt about him but I actually charted every single snap of of every single Washington state game last year. I was actually not impressed with Minzhu last year. I thought he was a check down machine. I I didn't really see the armed talent with him but he's he's surprised me. Oh that so far in the NFL I gotTa admit I don't know if he'll he'll sustained success long-term. There's a starter or not but he's he's definitely off to a much better start than I had admission for him yet. Nate Cooper wrote the report on on Menchu in the football rookie handbook and I remember when he wrote him up. He kept saying you know. I don't really think this guy is all that but but you could see it and he kind of liked him as a backup with potential to be a kind of win with starter. You never never going to be a a high talent arm guy so that's what we saw with him. Obviously a lot of volume in the Washington state offense all that stuff shows up the short short average depth the target it shows up and that's what we saw the first two games of the year I was really concerned when he threw his first passive game last night because it was like horrifically errant but I guess he just slipped lift or something because from that point forward I really separated himself as already more competent at running an NFL team managing a game all those sorts of things in a way that that we haven't seen really Mariota put together over the course of how many years now so it was encouraged by that the one comp that need cooper gave and not to say that that he's the same in quality player but he kind of a little bit of a poor man's Baker Mayfield quality to him in both the way that he plays the game on the field kind of slinging around like an infielder in the way that he distributes the ball and Kinda matriculate the offense but then also that fiery side a little bit of that that Brash Personality so you can see from a leadership standpoint standpoint where where that came from I've been mulling over the feary with the you talked about the sort of depth of target for Garner men's shoe and for the Washington State quarterbacks in general I I I've been mulling over the theory that given Mike Leach the head coach Washington state who this podcast harasses to no end on we have to start talking talking about the check down as the run play and you know because Luke Falk was a shakedown king when he came out two thousand eighteen twenty nineteen Menchu steps NEC- checked out gang. I just got my first Gordon. This this new past Washington state each checking each down gang united cancer aids we have those are wondering to what extent this check. That was just replacing the run plan. How that's kind of affecting thing our our perspective on these guys. Obviously you know faulk. Hasn't done much going to be starting for the jets. That was never the plan men. She was a guy who I liked a little bit better than fault coming out but oh you were so worried about yeah just the Tennessee distraught down and just go to the flat. You absolutely loved that outside all smoke route. Little you know sit row just a got off of coverage hugest. Throw it all day long but if that's if that's your your high percentage you know three four yard play just kind of keep you off. It's on schedule and it looks like a pass. Not Iran Iran like it's hard to knock a quarterback for that but this is not really the topic of our conversation. I just like to pick these guys minds when I do get the opportunity to I'll throw in just on that point from an analytical Google Perspective on it the conversation here it's kind of like to the core of a lot of analytics conversations right now and there are the people that say stop running. The ball running's a waste of time. We don't want to around the Baltimore. There are people who say that. I haven't heard that I've seen that anyway. Other people that will say don't throw the ball to the running back. That's that's also a waste of time. That's also not efficient way to move the ball down the field so it's a little bit like there's there's kind of this argument out there that if you take it to the end it's like okay we should only throw nine routes every single play of every game because that's GonNa give us the highest the EPA expectation of what we can do but at a certain point you gotta dial it back and you've got to relate it back to real football and it's it's Mike Leach just saying you don't go broke taking a profit. You know we're going to be happy about a five yard run than than taking five yards that the corners giving us based on on sitting back and coverage of we're going to take that every retirement so it's Kinda. We always got a couch our arguments in kind of understanding like how does this relate to the game when we get a little bit carried away sometimes ends with these analytics ideas listeners to the pod will know that I like to talk a lot about constraint plays and how involved in offense in terms of we're GONNA run. These plays is to make you respect this basic tenant. The bubble screen respect the horizontal stretch respect fifty three yards of the field and do we know what really the the peak the apex of the balances between the constraint plays and then the big plays off a constraint place. We don't you know we don't know what that Gender Sahara Limited but we do have coaches who for years. Ron Constraint plays with the ideas that offense has to have some balance in terms of the areas of the field in which attacks the quickest with which the ball comes out the route concepts that Iran and to you know it's very hard to imagine swing all the way away from that will be successful just in terms of what happens on the field so this could talk to you guys because you have half baked ideas ideas. We don't really know if they're real and then you get some share perspective and you get more confidence in your theories. I know Bryce has many times been in the DMZ telling telling me about posts intakes that he wants to put out there that he won't and I always encourage him to. I think it's important that we we we are rebellious and we are liable as way we say things that aren't true because it enforces extermination okay. I gotTa talk about the Detroit. Lions always my senior element so hero. The Detroit Lions of which Bryce is a fan. Even though he tries is to hide it unexposed you breath through it. Yeah I catch cat the Mike and I just did our Eagles Eagles defence against lions offense podcast that it dropped earlier this week the opposite one coming out later this week but for this particular fireside chat a talking about what were the lines offense is going to want to do. Mike and I ended our conversation in a in a common tirade against him shorts one that we've had before which is begging offer different coverage shells begging for trap coverage looks as begging for a rotation one of safety something to disguise tendency to spice up the coverage looks and what quarterbacks can anticipate. Mike and I had a lot of fear that with with some condensed formations nations are lines like the run now in twelve percent male bubble. They're going to be able to predictably get the eagles. Cover three and accordingly be able to dice that up my question for you guys. There is what we have for Matt Matt Stafford so far. Dale bubbles offense only two games but he's got a long career. Middle of the field closed coverage can be one of those coverages that good quarterbacks dislikes entice up. I mean they you just read through it. Stafford's kind of on that fence in terms of some people think he's that good quarterback that talented quarterback. Some people think that you know he's been around for a decade really hasn't done much is winning stuff. He doesn't have incredible stats. He had you know a couple of really high productive seasons but other than that the middling Stafford in terms of the ability to take the eagles very simple cover three shell gal and rip it the strides do we think he's going to have a big passing day on Sunday so based on his numbers against cover three this year from an EP per dropback perspective. You would say yes because right now. Matthew Stafford is averaging two three expected points added every time he drops back against cover three this year however however if you look at his historical members going back to twenty seventeen in two thousand eighteen he actually has it fared that well against cover three actually has a negative expected points added added per dropback from twenty seventeen eighteen so I suppose it depends on whether or not you buy more into his historical performance which can be a little tricky given some of the injuries he had in in two thousand eighteen reportedly had in two thousand eighteen or if you buy more into the hot hand theory and devils new offense in in think that they're going to continue to have success against this year even though they haven't really faced a lot. Would you know obviously we were in a precarious position. I'm having to to talk about this just three weeks into the season. The only have two games but so far he's he's shredded it this year but if if that trend will continue continue remains to be seen so you said obviously there's there's a dichotomy. Here's a seesaw between Stafford historically and then Stafford on a small all sample size with new offensive coordinator inches which one you buy into. Is that a feel for you guys over overtime over data on which one of those tends to be more sticky your ass on it and it's just too difficult to kind of suss out of the mess yeah. It's super hard to figure out because the way that that kind of interaction looks is really different between different quarterbacks in different coordinators is but will we would rely on more in putting together our projections and those sorts of things and where we would see more reliable stickiness as you call it would be the career numbers and looking at who you've been over larger sample two games. I mean we're talking about. He's faced cover three thirty five times so far this year. That's that's more than I think he's he's faced all his other coverages combined but still that's not very many. That's not very many dropbox at you know over the course of trying to figure out a bryce points out to me two hundred seventy two times. He faced over the course of seventeen and eighteen so you're going to get more. You got much more sample there so that's more something that you can rely on that said. It looks like they're positive things so far point two three to do a little nerd translation point two three. EPA per dropback is really really good. Yeah I mean that's essentially assigned. One point added for every four a little bit more than four dropbox right yeah. That's that's one way to look at it. You know one way to think of it as you could. Say per hundred plays so twenty three three points one hundred plays that's less than two games worth. That's a lot of points to be adding over average. You know so zero. EPA's like a four yard gain on first down. That's about zero. EPA So it's not like zero is nothing zeros actually keeping up with chains so to be positive twenty-three hundred drawbacks. That's really good yeah Yep. All I heard there really was that he's got a regrets and it's probably GonNa happen against the Eagles. That's my main. Takeaway is selectively choose to be the case but we've talked about the new BEV offense. I said Mike and I broke it down. On a previous podcast and in terms of the positive early returns WanNa get into the more nitty gritty into the mechanics of how we've gotten some positive active early returns we have a couple of new personnel they drafted you. Hawkins in eighth overall moved that I know bryce loves dearly other. Bring in Danny Amendola free free agent wide receiver the offensive line gets a little bit of a shot in the arm the drafting of frank rag now tyrod crosby's playing pretty well in the interim for Tyler John. What has been the the biggest mechanic here the biggest age and when you guys look at the change in the lines offense what sticks out is something that's that's new and that's been effective so far in the early returns of twenty nineteen so the biggest thing that sticks out to me both from watching the team in looking at the numbers is the rate which Stafford is going down field so far twenty nineteen he is averaging ten point six yards in terms of throw depth on all his throws at that race fourth so far this year at in compare that to six point six last year which ranked fortieth out of quarterback two hundred more attempts they are throwing the ball a little further downfield pushing the ball will further downfield which is something they did with success when when Stafford had his I believe it was that really good twenty sixteen campaign where he was in the MVP conversation for a little while Stafford obviously has has these probably a top five arm talent in the league can push the ball over the field a flashes some some very good accuracy from time to time so that's that's the the first thing that stands out to me. The second thing is the heavier use of play action. Bebel has brought with him. They went from twenty nine th and usage rate in two thousand eighteen eighteen using about eighteen percent of all drawbacks to twenty eight percent this year you know they're still not top ten in the League that ranks twelve but that that's a big difference. Play action is is something that that analytics will tell you to do as much as possible. They've definitely benefited from an increase in that in there. They're better at doing it last year they when they went to play action they add. EPA success rate of forty nine percent good for twentieth in the league this year at sixty eight percent which is six in the league so those those are the two things really that I look at that have have been a boon to this lions offense so far this year under bebel. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny Gene. 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Your Day subscribed today explained for free on on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP from stitcher and the Vox media podcast network maddow's much the same things for you. Is there anything else that sticks out for you. I mean me. Those are definitely the big things. Nobody's nobody's more locked in than than Bryce on his favorite. Favorite football team got nothing at I'm enjoying this podcast greatly because you just get to Bryce in front of a microphone I yeah so so it's deep shots in its play action right and that's the two the two things that I really think again from what I understand from the general pushes pushes were looking for a limited in terms of increasing target depth and we're looking for a limited in terms of how much you can run play action and kind of where you'll stop seeing in an improvement in the general efficacy of your place and so this seems to me to be very much in line with what an analytics analyst big catch all but what an analytic medic approach to designing a passing offense really look like is that correct yeah. I think you look down at another really effective offense so far this year in Dallas with what killing more is done to change the offense there. It's really similar thing. I'm a encroaching on Eagles country complementing the cowboys here so that could be dangerous around. I've been sitting on you know. Dallas love offer that offense for a while because I can't say I can't put it out there. Get yelled at but if there's one thing I love some pre snap motion and Calvin more puts his guide system blender. It's awesome yeah and then they you went from one of the bottom teams in the league to one of the top teams in the League in terms of priests that motion according to our charting so the the eye test matches up there and it's working on the field so yeah we want to you see more of all these things and I love the way that you say we haven't found we haven't approached what that limit is yet. So in terms of finding a balance we know that we need more and more before we get there with all these things whether repea- passing especially I down situations whether it be play action whether it be a shotgun usage of teams kinda shy away from that the pre pre-snap motion is one of them all of these things where we're nowhere near what the kind of equilibrium point is so when people come in and they shake things up. I do and more and more of this. That's why you see you know Matt Stafford. There's reason to believe that there might be an improvement in what he's doing. You know this the sort of vertical concepts will stretch a cover three and stress recipe cover three in ways that make you wanna get out of it so that could be what we see going forward. you same ways that make you wanna get out of that. You have not yet tested the resiliency of Jim Schwartz sports in his ability to call the same coverages in the same situation speaking of which are the Eagles in the first couple of weeks of the season. They've asked a lot out of their corners. They've asked a lot out of their corners. Corners Sidney Jones Douglas on island Ronald Darby on an island with even potentially no safety help over the top and this is why you know I've been making the Jalen Ramsey joke for a while now but the eagles need that coronary complain on an island when you look at the lions receiving core young player in Kennedy Day of veteran been around for a while Marvin Jones the new edition and Danny the Amendola of these receivers who sticks out to you. Is that guy who's going to win. One on one man coverage the most. Who's that outside ecstasy. WHO's GonNa give them the Eagles. The most problem on those is deep concepts aware will Ronald Darby out there and say hey. You've never made a play on the ball in your life. But how about you try time so in years past. I probably would have told you Marvin Jones especially after his twenty seventeen season the deep ball report that he had built with Stafford but the numbers from last year and this year indicate hey to me the the Golladay is going to give you the Mohammed baby drawn yeah if I hate that figured you put it out there. Everybody tries to to force the traumatic names. It's it's ridiculous but that's a diatribe for another day anyways if you look at Golladay success on his target rates on on Kgo routes fades things like that forty four percent success rate on his targets in two thousand eighteen. If you compare that tomorrow Vinne Jones you're sitting in about twenty one percent I know that he he battled some injuries last year but that's that's a pretty stark difference for me. Golladay obviously younger player fast physical could beat you up at the catch points so he is definitely somebody that the eagles will have to account how Ford and another thing is. They're using him out wide a lot more this year last year they they put him in the slot used him in in reduce splits naked alignments to try and get him running across the field on digs deep crosses especially off their play action this year. They're trying to use an Hopkinson for that which is enabling Golladay. He's he's as outlined a lot more this year about ten percent increase over last year. He's he's still playing the slot. Somebody's out wide about sixty four episodes snaps Hodgkinson's in the slot about fifty four percents APPs. I saw you see Golladay I would I would expect to see over the course of the season is much greater usage on goes posts deep routes working on bet vertical plane than last year to Russia's point. We've seen nineteen outside targets versus having slot targets so far this year for Kenny Golladay but when we look at total points earned receiving mm for him are proprietary metric which kind of breaks down all the different things that are going on to the play all the things that we chart and bakes them into kind of one number. He's actually created just about as many points earned from the slot on those seven target as he has from out wide on those nineteen so even though we're seeing more usage of him out there where I think he's his skill set is really best utilized when he is in in that slot position so that'll be interesting to keep an eye on going forward because I think he's a he's a nice high upside young player and then I like Golladay and we have golladay on the outside. We have hocken in the slot so I'm curious various here. Hawk taking a significant number of slat reps fifty four percent in terms of slot usage. Obviously you know for me. My first job is to to figure out if the player is good in my second job is to figure out kind of how valuable we want to draft him on. I know that that value drafting positional value relative contract size on the rookie way scale. It's all a big thing. We talk about draft time. The Hopkinson pick at eight the very highly drafted tight end are is there a way we can use as him enough as a wide receiver in the slot catching passes to justify a tight end today or is it really something that you know in terms of the value you get from tight ends. There's really it's going to be an overdraft matter. What or is there a hidden value in terms of the disguises that he gives you in the flexibility is a blocker and you bring out twelve personnel but then you run more spread looking sets because you can flex out wide early returns on Hogson. It's two games so far too early to save. He's a good player or not but are we on a good pace here in terms of using him as a pass Catcher to really justify picking him in the top ten so for me. I'll go first and then I'll let Bryce chime in. I have no issue drafting tight end high if you really that's what I'm talking about okay got it in terms of positional value I think tied in can be really important especially going back to your point about what it allows you to do from personnel group standpoint when you have somebody like. TJ Hopkinson that can be a guy that can be a tight end guy it similar to the way that the rams have this thing where like okay quote unquote. They're always in eleven personnel with Cooper but Cooper cups almost like a tight end with what he brings to them as a blocker. I think T- Hopkinson is kind of like the inverse of that so far you know like you said just two games but on twelve targets he leads the lines and points earned six point nine points aren't so far on those two in those two games so I think that as long as he brings the usage where he can be a player in both the running game in the passing game and he can incre- matchup problems. That's what you look for tight ends when we create titensor handbook. We're looking for guys. They create a matchup problem for the defense. That's where you get that that Gronk type value from the tight ends. I'm not trying to say Hopkinson. Is that guy but I do think that there's there's positive return so far and I've categorically have no issues with drafting ratzinger tight end high end to piggyback off that there was a very overwhelming sentiment in the Lions Fan community that Hopkinson would. I'd have to be a grunt type in order to draft to justify his his draft position. I I don't agree with that as as you listened to earlier. I didn't necessarily like the PIC there are other players there that I would have preferred but he's performed really well what he's enabled them to do with their twelve personnel looks there are eleven personnel looks as has been very valuable so far in the early returns indicate that I might have even been low on him. It all was still on the board at Oliver. We'll that hurts. Words are yet at all goes literally one pick later but not really glad to hear you guys say it because I painted a lettuce broad brush and that's on man. I'll take that in terms ends of you you know you. It's very common sentiment to see the lesson if you're not drafting quarterback corner edge off it's of line in the top ten then you know you're wasting pack. 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA Indiana a player who demands a high value on the markets. You're not getting as much surplus value in terms of the rookie scale contract but I mean tide and could be a skeleton key for an offense and if anybody should know that it should be Philadelphia in terms of what your regularly getting out of their twelve personnel sets Zagre Dallas Gutter Flex wide why the ability to a complete coverage is disguised tendencies and put teams in a bind in the hurry up huddle so I think the lines with Jesse James with TJ Hopkinson maybe not in the same degree of what the eagles have but I really liked the deployment of Hodkinson so far so I'm glad that where we wants the players in the building is the player doing a good job for you and obviously as Lee has that's nice on. That's a good large overview luck at the Detroit lions offense. I want to open the Florida. You guys if there's anything else that sticks out to you about this team early goings on on in the season. I know we didn't talk much about the running game on obscene running game does matter and so we don't want to cast off to the side but the Lions Twenty nineteen better than I expected in terms of I think the offensive line's playing pretty well. I think the defense got some teeth to it there anything else about the same it sticks out to you is in their match up with just just piggy backing off of our discussion about about Hawkins said I will note again small sample stuff but right now the lions rank a fourth in EPA per dropback out of their twelve personnel a whopping point eight points per dropback seventy eight point six success rate which is good for third in the League of those numbers are up from the the seller last year they found ways to deploy both Hopkinson in Jesse James in NBA effective with it. I'M GONNA be interested to see how gym shorts game plans for that Jimbo of Detroit Valor of the trae her history and many years that coach yeah arguably a top five sidelines coach of all time unfortunately well lines have had like you know not that many good coaches so I'm not sure how big of a common it is but that's that Bryce. I'll all leave you out. We've kind of had our fun picking as you here for the past thirty minutes or so. I'll cut it off but this was the boys over. SIS which you know mentioned the rookie handbook. There's really there's no reason you should not be plugged in. SIS regardless of the level of fandom which you enjoy on. I know I'm probably doing matched feel a little bit for him but this is the sort of analysis that not only you get you get the conversation you get the dialogue and you get the context behind. I it's it's really a tremendous product. 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The Kist & Solak Show #121: Lions' O vs. Eagles' D Preview

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The Kist & Solak Show #121: Lions' O vs. Eagles' D Preview

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Michael Kissed at Michael Kissed. NFL K. ast follow me on twitter if you dare as always during but the best dog on Co host in the Game Mr nine year streak without a bad day he is Benjamin so lack all him on twitter at Benjamin Sollac. That's S. O. L. A. K. Ben. How're you doing brother. Oh Man Mike everyday is it'd be alive. Everything is delicious world a Good Place Eagles attorney in Virginia Rams down. Saturday couldn't be happier. Harry you your we were talking before the show and you're saying no we've got the three more recordings through the to preview shows offense defense defense offense and then the Jalen Ramsey emergency ratchets on Saturday. You calling your shoddy. Just objectively zero sense the trade for him before Sunday because then you have to keep the players here's you're GonNa send in the trade either out of the game or you have to move them and you can't play Ramsey on Sunday because apparently rap had that tweet where he was like a team asked if ransom play two games. They're saying Sunday the NFL was like no worth make sense. Can you imagine I would just I would just enter like a deal with every team on Thursday night the listen and for a sixth round pick you. We just rent Jalen Ramsey furrow allison that you play them on Thursday will play on Sunday and then we'll send them back swab six this APP. You know what's funny. The Eagles could do that to where Ramsey could play Thursday tonight at your recording on a Thursday and then he could play Sunday for the eagles Thursday for the the next Sunday for the first four games and John Fourteen thirteen how many days a week four game four and ten days crazy okay but anyway yeah everything is delicious. Life is beautiful. Eagles plan the Detroit Lions. Everybody is her and it said Yeah. Let's talk about the injury. Report will do some housecleaning before we get into you this preview which is going to be the offensive side of the ball for the Detroit lions which means the defensive side of the ball for the Philadelphia Eagles nailed it not a problem where for one baby we are on the tray. They were doing lions offense number lines offense. I'm kidding. I'm messing around with the new. Neil folks so the Philadelphia Eagles report is long. We could spend an entire show on on this boat. Will Kinda get passed over these because we already know a lot of these issues did not participate on Wednesday by the way we are dealing with the Wednesday estimated report at the Thursday report will update you on the next show with more particulars but this is what we're dealing with right now. Running back Corey Clement did not participate with shoulder got hurt with his calf to Sean Jackson with the abdomen alshon Jeffrey with the Cath Timmy Jernigan with the foot obviously Jordan by Lada still dealing with a back issue limited participation Derek Burnett with a shoulder Fletcher Cox with his Tokyo Jonathan Ciprian with a knee Rudy Ford with a hamstring nate Gary with a knee and DECAF and linebacker who grew hill also still trying to recover from the knee injury that he had an suffered in the preseason full participation. This is great news. Nate sub felt would the wrist and he's slinging it now so his track to recovery is at least on track. We'll see about the other guys obviously band. We're going to be dealing with alshon without the Sean most likely without Dallas for at least this game and probably more as Mike Garafolo reported that if the Eagles get back Jeffrey and Jackson by week five it would be great success for them so we can kind of count them out for week three four it yeah I think we can I think we have to I would like to say I just WanNa. Make sure this is on the record. The fact that Sean Jackson's injuries called abdomen injury and not tummy injury is devastating to understand why I get it professionals. Whatever seemed really finding his belly I was thinking about that the other day. I don't know I wouldn't be able. Oh really figure out like how I forgot. What knee injury feels like abdomen. It's very interesting anyway. These are the things I think about sociologic film. Okay the whole Jonathan Ciprian Rudy fourteen right what the hell nor either of those came from by that doesn't matter they're both special teamer sip played dime for poor linebacker acker stuff yeah and so I don't know where they came from not a fan of that and then obviously we saw the Alex Ellis Craig James Switcheroo practice squads active fifty three man roster which you know very clear saying downscaling. NBA No-go on Sunday now you know how much like okay. Dow Scardino goes deals will have twelve personnel disposal however how often you trying to get alice on the field but as a counterpoint to my own counterpoint you don't even have a sixth wide receiver ever yeah. It's not like ten is preferable to twelve and you can actually do twelve because you can't even run ten. These are gonNA bring back the twenty-one nonsense from week one and I hate the sproles flex wide right yeah. They're beat up in the past catchers which means that they have got to be able to run the football or my Alex. LS affinity is going to be very very quickly tested. 'cause I was like yeah. This is a fun guy to root for to develop and then this week three and he might see twelve fifteen snaps It's a lot sooner than I thought it was. GonNa be on. He looked good as a pass catcher in preseason. He notably struggled in the run. Game in the game from twelve is we're. The Eagles have had their best success this year. We talked about that. in the Film Review Show won twenty so yeah. It's definitely an issue. Let's go to the lines injury reports. There are some some interesting ones here limited participation for the Lions Gerard Davis Linebacker. He's not any good. We don't have to worry about that. Wow immediately for the throw on Jerome Davis. I respect offensive tackle. Taylor decker still dealing with his back which we'll talk about where we get into the offensive preview portion of this show defensive and Desha hand is dealing with an elbow safety. Cj More. He was just listed as unlimited for a limited participation which is which is fun. Don't know what that means. We wanted to play more that. That's okay so let let's talk about about this this match up here the first thing I want to talk about. I just WanNa talk about the coaching staff. In the Offensive Philosophy from Matt Patricia Head Coach of the Detroit lions of I can kind of get on my soapbox here for a second. Let's let's talk about some situations. Slander the rocket scientist. Oh we are ride. The hat is odd. Let's go brother. We're going to talk about some situations. Where this lines team has showed cowardice week one I drive forth into their own forty nine yard line tie game pont like a coward second. Dr Fourth and six the Arizona Forty one yard line on tight game still punt still coward fast forward to the fourth quarter under three minutes lions lead by eight so one score game four th and five at their own forty nine yard line with a chance to put the game away. They punt like cowards three instances where I could argue that the math is fairly strong that not punting in those three situations would improve your chances. This is to win in that one game week two. They got more aggressive but when you're playing without a lead is a little easier to fraud some big boy pants they also punted from fourth and three on their own forty thirty six kicked a field goal on fourth and two from the chargers twenty two look what happened when they went for it on fourth and one on the charges thirty-five convert boom next play game winning touchdown. How about that so looking at last this is not just a this year thing with Matt Patricia. I'm looking at last year. I use the pro football reference gameplay finder to set a query that would show me all punts ons from the fifty and then inside enemy territory with fourth and six or closer the top three coaches in volume in that situation Bill O'Brien Matt Nagy and Matt Patricia three of our favorite head coaches in the league. The lions punted in enemy territory with four six or less nine times in two thousand eighteen. They did it twice against the forty niners. They lost by three points. They did it against the cowboys. They lost by two points. They did against the packers. They won by eight points. It should have been that close seahawks lost fourteen points could've been closer panthers one by one point didn't have to be that hard bears lost by seven points then against the bills twice just what lost by one point week one a do it against Arizona they tie. If you're keeping count that's two and six in games and you can even at the tie in there in games where they punted inside enemy territory four times. They lost by one score for a team that went seven and nine last year. Do you think that that could be the difference between seven seven and nine and nine and seven and remember when we talked about the emotional element to all this when discussing Peterson's aggressiveness and showing faith in his team and how that that couldn't be understated. What is the message that Matt Patricia is sending to his team by not showing faith in the offense to convert and faith in the defense just to have his back if he puts them in a bad position by trying to actively win a football game which he apparently refuses to do. Ben Matt Patricia is a coward. I was worried you were going to end in after that because you didn't ask a question it's always I don't know what I'm supposed to say here usually over the question you have a ah defensive-minded head coach was originally the defensive coordinator obviously from the New England patriots. You also have a run. I run the setup the play the action game coordinator in Dera Level of Babel brought in to replace Jim Bob Cooter as the offensive coordinator in Detroit a move that I liked in the hole in in the sense that a lot of what Jim Bob which is a real person a lot of Jim Bob was doing for on the lines with Matt staffer was a lot more quick game stuff a lot again the ball out of his hands facilitating to the weapons and that was a choice when you have a player with Matt Stafford's arm strength now bevill comes in the lions improve the offensive line significantly on the quality of the offense of Lyon flies. I mean that we need to talk about because I did not know that the lines were good like that's pretty good. I I watched the film they played ball early. Daryl Crosby oh I di Donna how to write off his loss same but now anyway so it's as has who good offense of line play there about even in the League about league average from scripted plays design runs to drop backs on its from pf fs numbers and then and when they throw they decided to go deep Matt Stafford the second most deep passing attempts in the League right now in terms of the percentage passing attempts only to Josh Rosen who has taken literally literally twenty two drawbacks or something like that. Can I add some stats to that to kind of show the SELENA offense okay now. I'm worried that good all right so Matt Stafford last three years since next. Gen Stats has been tracking intended air yards. Matt Stafford's been anywhere from seven to eight intended air yards per those years this year. He's way way up like three yards up. He is in like eleven yards intended air yards per attempt so they're opening the offense up with double also air yards to the sticks. It'll be the first year if this holds holds Matt Stafford's over two point one area to the sticks. I think that's tops in the league. Can you redefine air yards to the stakes. Are Everybody Yeah so for instance if his first and ten and you throw it to the not the new throw at nine yards in the air. That's a negative one air yard to the stick. If you throw at twelve yards that's plus two air yards to the stick storing past the sticks on any given down any given situation at that whole there would be the only year since they started tracking this since two thousand sixteen that Stafford would be in the black for areas to the stick so they are pushing it downfield which Stafford for has the arm to make these rows and he's been really impressive to me right and and we suddenly have the past protection to pull it off. Stafford is is is sitting in the pocket for significantly longer than it has in previous years spending more time awaiting not breaking when he got sacked. It's so pretty quick and that makes sense but generally speaking he's able to hang in the pocket. Ah longer like I said really impressed with the growth and the additions that you've seen for the Detroit lions offensive line I think you lose Taylor. Decker and you think that that's GonNa. That'd be a big loss. tyrod Crosby v aren't working twenty eighteen brought him up earlier crosby very under drafted player in regards to believe. There's like a foot injury that we're not sure how healthy that will ever be able to be player whatever but as far as fifth round peg woefully under draft he steps in he's playing tremendous ball in my opinion on at left tackle as first second year player speaking of second year players Frank Rag. Now's got his chops. I mean he wasn't bad he was bad as rookie year a as we got an audit of Linemen very typically you know some time to adjust second year. Ragnar came to play some ball brother and then Joel dolls steps in as as as left guard that left out of the line looks great reminder Graham Boss Cup in there for awhile you add in Jesse James and TJ Hopkinson and his alliance team that is not afraid of going twelve personnel and also just flat out stealing some of the eagles concepts which we're not the eagles goes to begin with but there are pieces of this power running game that look a lot like what philly was running especially in two thousand seventeen when they had a giant blunt running behind Brent Silicon Zacher and they're twelve personnel sets you get a Lotta trap. Mike again some of your Wam as well you you and your single back power. You're getting your counterplay. His powerful rushing attack was improved. The offensive heads of line Kerryon Johnson another second-year player who looks good so the running game has strengthened and then accordingly when the lines go deep off of play action staffers really good play action passer Beta plaques into generally more effective and they have to grade downfield receivers in Marvin Jones Kenny Golladay and the Nice thing is that they've done a good job. I think with the addition of Danny Amendola Dollah and then the way that they use T. Hopkinson as underneath an intermediate route runners to allow Golladay and Jones to really work downfield more frequently like Kenny Gallatin John's were doing doing too much slant and under Jim Bob cooter. These are great catch point receivers. They're tall. They're able to get vertical. They have great catch races physical down the fields where you want them to be playing and think thing that Bevo has done a nice job getting them in those areas in which they're going to be more effective and so there I I think they probably run the ball too much. There's probably too many screens. I feel that way about most offenses is probably too many screens but I think that this offense a philosophy fits the personnel a lot better and the change in personnel that were made to fit the philosophy make a lot of sense in our successful successful so far so lions a team. I took the make you out of a little bit in the in the preseason looks better than I expected them to look and I think a lot of that credit belongs there. Obama who's coach and a pretty good offense. Detroit I one hundred percent agree and there are a lot of points that you just made that. I WANNA follow up on. I on Golladay I think is play strengthen. The air in his ability at the catch point is going to give you some problems I gotta go. I gotTA catch a big L. On golladay brother Ya not only did not love him coming out. I thought after his first season they were gonNA happen bright and last year he had a thousand yards and I was like shoot. I did not realize this slang yeah and then looking at some of the other things that you touched touchdown. You know you talked about the importance of Tyrel crosby's stepping up because you really wonder about decker to start the season week when he gets dominated by Chandler Jones from the cardinals and to a lesser extent even Cassius marsh senior which he was in we will not be disparaging Cassius Marsh Cassius Marsh. We talked about this before we we had spared Cassius. Marsh so decker decker was called for four penalties allowed to sacks he never looked comfortable and for all the lead up to week two. He was listed as a limited participant with a back injury now. He's obviously still dealing with that. which looking looking how awkward he was trying to bend in that game in the in week one makes sense so this is a decent player? That's dealing with a bad injury. That's making him look look pretty wonky so I wouldn't be surprised if crosby gets the start again and he like you said he was very very good in that game especially in Pasco thought he was excellent and when you talk about pass pro you wonder how autumn sports might try to get pressure on these guys that are playing good as a unit and you know. I don't think it's going to be with more bliss like he did against Atlanta and against the blitz that what was really impressive impressive to me was stafford does really well to recognize blitzes pre-snap. He's no greenhorn dumped on back there and he'll take what the defense gives them. We're talking about quick game stuff based based on where the pressure is coming from and the leverage of the defenders and I've got the numbers from last week right in front of me. He was seven for eight against the blitz. Seven completions three five five six six six eight ten yards seventy five percents success rate get it out do it quick and keep the offense on schedule. It might sound boring but you add in that vertical element that they also so have an. It's an it's really not so against the bliss. Stafford is just going to get it out and take advantage of those voids in cover three that the eagles are going to give them otherwise to just not even with the blitz and then you mentioned twelve personnel and I wanted to follow up on that with some stats because I charted them against the chargers with the cardinals as well. It's all personnel and from passing from I'm twelve this year there are fourteen of sixteen one hundred eighty three yards one touchdown with a one hundred and thirty five point one quarterback rating that's remind charting heavily heavily subject to error but Tj Hawkins and man is all proud people tried to tell his a federal dear six one thirty one and one in his debut including some interesting concepts they had one where they line about the h back and then set him on a d. crosser that really caught the defense out of sorts yet another catch on a post from a nasty split against against cornerback. Chris Jones where he showed good understanding of leverage stemming inside before his break in it could have been a td with a better ball from Stafford but stafford at a step up in the pocket away from pressure ended up with a guy in his face. The placement wasn't perfect and Stafford on these throws where he has to alter his platform or his throat throwing angle is excellent and Hopkinson. I'm just a match up nightmare. You're talking about near six foot five two hundred and fifty one pounder with very good change of direction skills and above average straight line speed. That's also so in a pack will run blocker so he's GonNa create all types of issues for defensive coordinators and as his game matures it just going to be worse and worse for defenses and like last week he was quiet only one one catch for seven yards that one can came on a two by two sets to receivers on either side of the formation split out like the lines like to do all curls from their lines also like to do that a lot they they like to mirror concepts as well like we talked about on the QB Scotia with Mark Scofield yeah. There's GonNa be issues there. If the Lions can get their play action game going especially with Hopkinson and I'm interested to see how the Eagles can match up with that you say the the lions like the split out the receivers. You've numbers on that number as far as splitting our going to buy two or what do you mean how frequently their receivers are out wide and plus floods and how frequently they're in reduced flits. I mean it's either one not challenging you. I'm just curious yeah. I honestly think it's a pretty even mix between one or the other because they they do those tight doubles to to even with and they'll do high low reads with that. I was talking about that. Scofield as well right so they'll give him at the vendor wanted one of the positive things about the lions offense and then one of the most worrisome things for the eagles defense against specifically this lines offense is those reduced splits as those tight when right when I my vernacular my understanding of a nasty alignments when you have the outermost receiver stacked up against the tackle with an h back that's actually behind him in in the lions light to they do. They're lots of his younger. Lead tight double sets Why is that annoying. Why is that a problem with these reduced. Formations all reduced formations when you bring the outside receivers into the formation you're reducing adducing the formation uranium at less surface area. What does this do we circle back to McVeigh McVeigh who is an offensive genius mastermind and coach of the year and put a little bit of the right things that he he very nicely marries a lot of ideas ideas towards one distinct goal but it's not like he's the only coach in the world has using reduced formation sterile doubles another another one. That's using it. Reduced formations are important valuable. Something affiliate doesn't do a lot of that. I wish they did more of why reduced formations very typically force first defenses into single high checks defense and a single hijacks. You don't want split safeties against so many blockers in the box because when you had that many blockers in the box and then the lines can get Jesse James Hawkins and in twelve personnel sets both in the Box Baltimore plus blockers and get Danny Amendola Marvin Jones in the boxes wide receivers as far as wide receivers go plus blockers Danny Amendola take your head off they can go twenty one personnel and tight with it and then they got Nick Bowden their full back in there who is a fullback. They go twenty one thirteen eighteen twenty to twenty. They have a big mix personal packages so I want to make sure we brought the fullbacks. Forgot the lesson when I was going over the personnel and I'm not here to tell you how good of a fullback is relative to other full bikes in the league excellent apply washed other fullbacks in the league but I know he can block a linebacker. I've seen him do it so they. They get people into the box and then a little bit unlike the rams they go heavy with it. They will oh bring multiple guys who block but even the rams just with eleven personnel when you bring that many players in the box you want to check the single high you also want to check a lot of times to cover the three very common single high coverage. Will you want your corners to be protected bailing to the outside. You don't want your corners against reduced split receiver in Man 'cause if they're ah man they'll be playing still with outside leverage for the half the worry about in breaking concept you run zone off of that you can be protected more from plays that are gonNA be breaking back to the outside so single high checks for the eagles specifically going to cover three. I can tell you the you've all seen this formation before and you've wondered what the point of your life is where the US have off four lineman down. They've got four linebackers behind it and saving through two linebackers and like to safety to three linebackers and one safety over the personnel is and then there's a single high safety atheist fifteen yards off. McLeod and the two corners are eight yards off flexed a shaded outside of the the formation this how the eagles liked to match to reduce splits essay a very predictable check and it's very any predictable check is exploitable anytime. I know what your defense is going to check to. I'm going to attack it so the lions especially they come out in the emotion into a reduce that they don't usually do but he understood most do it even if they come out with just regular out in the Formation Eagles are gonNA respond was single high cover three Jim Schwartz Defense Primary goal is not pressure with Ford's plus one in a box they will go plus one in the box formation and now it's your cover three theaters eaters now now. It's sale now. Smash divide now. It's flood. you know. It is not hard. Ghandi's hard play action. Eagles linebackers have not played good in the past couple of weeks. Yeah we throw over the top and the linebackers. There's going to be three of them on the field because as I mentioned before I kind of alluded to this on a previous show. The lions are running eleven personnel about fifty eight to sixty eighty percent of the time the rest is those other personal formations that I mentioned and Nate Gary is going to get a lot of steps the Eagles respond with base against twelve twenty one thirteen twenty two and twenty personal l. sets so the linebackers are going to be on the field and they're going to have to play well and I worry about the linebackers in coverage against play action against those reduce split so I definitely only one hundred percent agree with you there. That might be a problem a bench looking at these matchups board the quarterbacks because we're talking about pass coverage here. What do you think about Marvin Jones Against Ronald Donald Darby. Danny Amendola against Nazi matic's can golladay against Sidney Jones possibly some result Douglas in there as well. I mentioned golladay against RV before because I still. I don't think they're going to see some of that and I worry about the play. Strengthen the ability at the catch point. Is there anything that stands out to you. From those matchups yeah they'll be able to get which wide wide receiver they walk on which corner the Eagles will leave their corners onsides out in the lines will flip Jones and golic exciting so they can go through they want. I'm really confused. Why Oh you didn't mention the Marvin Jones Jalen Ramsey matchup but it's fine. I don't think this is a It's not as tough of a match was the head against Atlanta but it's an easier matchup than they had against Washington now. Terry McLaughlin gave them issues right neither Jones nor Golladay maclaurin like flare. The lines do not have the outside besides speed burner. Calvin rarely Terry maclaurin tight. Does this mean they won't be able to depose droughts of the Eagles. Don't get their defenders to the middle of the field deep absolutely not what did you see the post route against the chargers that with beautiful dime holy and the problem is they can. Golladay is quite a large urban hardman. Jones is quite a large human being right so and they may not be as easy as separation but absolutely Stafford's. GonNa throw one on one balls and Savvas going going to be willing to task ask one one guy was especially against these eagles has the whole point of the reduced split. I'M GONNA get those corners isolated into coverage. I don't think there's a match up here that stands out as has like this. One is worse than the other ones but I do right. I I will say like most receiving core is going to have the advantage over the eagles in true man to man coverage why my general response to what do you want to be able to do against the lions against the the west coast concepts. You'RE GONNA beginning from their leveled against the formation. They're gonNA beginning with the secondary issues that you've had if you have to play more split field. You have to play with. It feels just gonNA say toys. He just doesn't do it. He doesn't place fulfilled and why because he does not want to get ran on. That's my theory is that he does and the Eagles run defense as it has been every year is gray on good. It's no we are on the ground. It's awesome. They also up thirty points a game but no yards on the ground the only time they would split safety last year was against the rams and we'd allowed him for for that defensive game plan that was it. I had to play against the rams concepts. There's just no other way the lines. I don't know if he thinks that way. Do you remember why you said they've played split field against the rams because everybody else was is doing it about. I remember we also did a pot in the in the preseason and the off season where you're basically like yeah because if they didn't do something different they were going to lose. He's like the season no other choice but to try other things correct. I'm not asking for Tampa till on asking for own comber to hit the honey meal. Play corners yeah exactly just protect your corners rhyming. He played quarters on the one the touchdown touchdown. Ben Slam stuff yeah. They were playing quarters on on the touchdown right of course just do a better. Don't you're wrong and get his head screwed on crackly. Look maybe if they played it more than once a game they'd be better at it and use it you. You can absolutely with your defensive line. Yeah play quarters against this against reduced front. Ski Can't really can't I promise you the split field screw. It who cares doesn't matter if it's flip field cover four six two. I don't care there. You have to have a change up pet. You can't keep pitching them down the pike cover. Three's going to be big. Beat it all day. I don't really know down the pipe means. I don't watch baseball. I'm brayshaw idiom right. You're putting very predictable. Coverage shells right now and you do not have the corner talent to recover from this when Macleod was healthy last year. There was more attract coverage. There was as inverted Tampa to which other teams have decided to steal regardless of the fact that it didn't work very well last year. Don't ask me about that working for anyone else now. Washington nothing thing yeah right okay the Washington one. They had a linebacker bailing. I don't know what that is. I want to go. That's dropping. That's weird. Drop a check. I mean they also had it happen. Against I guess the the Cowboys Rumor Kelly Moore held at the same thing that the Washington at dialed up in week one and they got the same coverage that they govern the eagles in that game. Is We think Keller more might be the pity God. We'll find out if he just continues to run concepts that the previous team ran had touchdowns with but that's something else for tracking totally side note heroism regardless yeah so it's yeah right trap coverage. There are more coverage of Macleod last year. They lost Macleod. McLeod is back now. Wolf McLeod is back. When I talk about trap coverage. I'm basically talking talking about get as got ninety thousand foot view this highly reductive but get defensive backs into zones that the offense doesn't I think they're going to be in pre snap the two poems to read whatever exactly just get your corners dropping and enter into hook zones and get a linebacker moving into the flats and rotate coverage and it's been coverage away from strengthens blitzes splits which we're very happy about. Don't WanNa take that away from you. Jimbo is all man behind it right right and in Chris Cosworth was like this is what happens in the eagles zone blitz he'll do that. You have to there there. There needs to be changed at pitches in the secondary shell for as long as the Eagles Pass. Rush isn't world-beating which it's not right now for as long as you're cornerbacks continue to struggle in isolation another solution. If you want to be able to play this sort of coverage shell would Ashworth. You should be banging the table. Ramsey's what allows you to do that. He's the exception proves the rule. He's the elite talent. That's why he's a lease because it lets you be more symbol on the defensive side because you have the personnel of matchup against top wide receiver so a long way of saying he goes are going to give up yards in the passing game. The lions have been a good running team. They moved the ball on on the ground and then shot deep. Eagles are going to continue even if they stop the running game to give up deep shots against the lines are going to give up your is. GonNa give points to the air on less you find a way to to disguise tendency and force stafford process posts nap. Give your defense rely more time to get there or trey for Jalen Ramsey when we come back. We're GONNA talk more about this matchup. We'll get into some predictions as far as that. Lions offense goes that's coming up next here on the kissed and so lacked show with an epic first week of football. 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I didn't get the chance to at the time but maybe we can tie this in whistle others thought because Frank Rag now they're center their second. Your Center I mean rags has some issues with being patient in pass pro I think from what I saw and he can get a bit over extended times but he's a dog people mover in the run game and the lions absolutely love to get him up to the second level where he just smothers linebackers. I do a great job again. Dude Gray eight like trap. Wam Our concepts man great great quality film. I think Cox is going to be able to take advantage of him in the passing game but he's also not at one hundred percent has been the game game record that he typically is as I said before a lot of linebackers on the field lot of linebackers trying to get away from freight right now. Those linebackers are going to have issues if they allow rag now to to get in on him and in on their frame from what I saw from rag now his hit rate on the second level is really really good like he tracks these takes great angles and he just he moves them out the way keeps his feet moving to wash players out and clears lanes man so he's super fine in that regard anything else up front may be in the run game that you saw from the lines that might give the eagles some issues or any other players on the offensive side of the ball for the lines that you WanNa highlight what was the one thing about Carrie Johnson as a runner when you were evaluating him out Auburn that stood out as unique that I can figure out his frigging burst at the guy had more issues figuring out his bracket anything but a carry on it's it's. It's it's related to that. That's that's on my point. Boca Johnson got from some people not being lazy on Bell Comparison of the patient besides play style Johnson's willingness ruling NECE TO GIST fair way is and this is not only. Is it annoying yeah. It's a problem for Philly philly penetrates Yup right so phillies. GonNa get get up till they're going to get into flow. They WANNA cut off off the past Johnson's very very willing to sit there and let you overplay and then pick his way through the trash. Get four five dirty thirty yards break. This contact break contact filling corner force. You're filling safety to make tough tactics and so two hundred twenty five pound player right. No one wants to deal with that. That's only like that physically physically exhausting for the offensive line play longer and you're getting hit more sucks author. Johnson's got a unique play style that I think is difficult and is specifically typically again. This is kind of a theme here going to be a little difficult for absolutely likes to play their game. I agree with you on rag now bigly like we were talking about. I also talked about crosby. The last player that I think does deserve serve highlight. I brought Joe on these playing well but Graham Glasgow has been four years in the League now rock-solid for for years just I love him and and and it's very much so in a quality starter lunch pail shop door extreme Nacho up to work rag now Glasgow is is that that strong long when they double team and they scoop and when they combo it's really really nice. The one thing that is a bit of an issue for the offensive line is that a lot of their run concepts guzzler like trapping trapping and they're running combo box full blocks and whatnot is reliant on communication and they haven't been playing together for that long especially with crosby left tackle right Hopkinson when he feels James Zinni fills. They're both new as well. They'll also make mistakes and read blocks incorrectly. You catch it's not too much of an issue is you can yeah you can especially if you want to stunt twist legal legal stunt at a bit more than I remember them usually doing Atlanta which could be an effort to kind of galvanize that pass rush a little bit obviously stunning also works against the running game as well as long as you don't stunt out of it and so they can be communications issues for the lines into line but most teams who run these power blocking ideas especially these interior ones. You're going to have that then. That's going to be thing that shows shows upside. Super unique is just a major watch for if the you know it was a miscommunication the Brandon Graham of five yards tackle for loss ended in Atlanta DR early so matters. Let's take a look at the line ear and we can give her overall somehow. We think this lions offense is going to perform right now. I'm looking at a site. No free ads the over under set at forty five and a half and the spread it is six minus six for the Eagles which is healthy in my opinion that puts the score around if they hit the over by half a point that puts it that twenty six to twenty so vegas saying that the lions are going to score right around twenty points. Would you go over or under on twenty points for the Detroit liners over yeah. Now I have no reason to go under on the Eagles defense stopping team until it happens or are until they traces Ramsey. Oh so you're going over. I think I'm going to take the over as well which is going to put the Eagles in some interesting spots considering the the lack of offensive firepower. They are now facing ben anything else with this matchup. Did you WANNA highlight before we hit the dusty trail and start looking at the lines defensive show show travis fall gun him till bone. They're good play more. Okay then all right Ben. That's going to do it it for this episode of the kissed and Solex. 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Week 9 Waivers 2020

Fantasy Focus Football

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Week 9 Waivers 2020

"The dependency focus football. Podcast is presented by geico. It is tuesday november third. Good morning to everybody. There's watching us live those the audio visual. We always appreciate you checking us out there as well field. Yates barry gain dobbins to find your belt all hanging out with you today. It is a significant day in many ways including of course it is our country's election day for those of you that are eighteen. Make sure that you Take advantage of your constitutional right to go out there and vote. We also the nfl trade deadline which will be at four pm eastern time. We are hopeful that we will have some action. Maybe some fantasy relevant action of your washing this live and you wanna watch more good. Football content live three. Pm eastern time yours truly will be part of the nfl sportscenter special getting to the final hour before the nfl's trade deadline. We have a lot of news to get to today on this busy tuesday. We will have some thoughts on monday night football. We will empty the bucket from a couple of sunday thoughts. And unfortunately we are doing something very familiar on tuesdays. We typically start the show by going justifying in asking about the newest forty niners injuries because there are many hints divine. We begin i. I don't i mean it's been a dire year and a lot of ways for the forty niners but it feels like yesterday may have been the most notable day of forty niners injury news since they lost both nick bosa and solomon thomas in the same game two tornado. Elle's that feels like forever ago field does and now i. I tweeted or texted someone yesterday. That the forty niners were just gonna forfeit this season and say they're gonna come back next year and reset because really now. They've lost two other starters for an indeterminate amount of time. Certainly i mean jimmy garoppolo. Barely caesar a star well and to be fair. We not vote down that path fantasy or at least this is not for this segment but if you would like to talk about all the things i love i love jimmy garoppolo just as much as you do. But the thing is he's had everything he has not really had to be fair. He got injured in week two. He hasn't been right then and now. The high ankle sprain that he sustained in week two has been aggravated to the point where he could potentially end up requiring surgery so in all seriousness. Foreigners will have a lot to think about jimmy garoppolo going forward but we know he's out at least six potentially longer and then. George kittle has a fracture in his foot. Now you remember yesterday when we talked about this we said x. Rays originally revealed no fracture. And i said number one. If you don't have a fracture that's visible. That doesn't necessarily mean that it's not a serious injury but the other thing is that sometimes A standard x ray will not reveal the full extent of the injury. That's why players go for further imaging. You always hear about that. They're getting a cat scans. Sometimes we'll shows something up or whatever subsequent testing that they're doing ultimately a fracture for george kittle and he is out eight weeks. Which if you look at when the season ends pretty much as the rest of the year. And technically i guess there is a chance he could return a little bit early to the playoffs. Decide technically but the reason why asked why bring it. Up is that many have asked us on. Espn whether or not george kittle would be removed from the can't drop list the undrivable list the android blest and he will be if it hasn't happened by the time you're watching this live or listening to it it will happen soon in time for waivers tonight matthew think it's pretty straightforward but presuming. You need to make a roster move to other avenue tight end or address another position of depth. Probably a safe drop assuming you're in a one year league you're not gonna keep beleaguered on dynasty league. Then yes i would elect to drop. George kills based on the injury news. Define your has released. Let's talk about the other forty niners who might stand to benefit. It's going to be nick mullins. I would think starting on thursday ninety current plan and who's by the way Not terrible player. he's not a terrible player. he's hundred percent. No i will say this and not not necessarily somebody wanna pick up but just if people are wondering how shanahan had said that he hoped jordan reed would be available by thursday jordan reed becoming off injured reserve with a knee injury. Exactly where. I was going to next so great. Job is defined you leading us right to jordan. Reed matthew. Richardson at all mean. It's hardly a shoo-in find a fill in tight end that you can count on for the rest of the season but as at least on the radar these absolutely the raider. I look we. We saw him when he filled in at the beginning of the year like he had some nice success. We've seen him have success in the nfl. Before we know that this forty niners offense you know does produce productive fantasy. Titans i mean even even ross dwelling like caught one pass. But it was for a touchdown last week filling. In for george kittle and so yes do i like am i rushing out of my. You know my using number one waiver. Pick on my you know All of my fab money. I am not but if you're asking me like you know among the tight end to candidates that you would re that are viable streamers like does jordan jordan. Reed get a vote this week. He does he does get a vote this week. I look the fact is is that like the george kittle averaged over twenty seven routes a game right not a ton but like it's fine. You know decent amount like jordan reed gets twenty seven routes in this in this offense and probably. Won't he'll probably split. Some with ross. Rally like titan is such a wasteland field. It doesn't take much to be fancy relevant and jordan. Reads question is never talent. it's always health. And so if he's healthy is defined says he expected to come off. They also don't have depot samuel. It's it's it's like it's kendrick bourne. It's brennan iu. I mean there's not a lot there and they're running back beat up. So just by process of elimination jordan reed will be inside my top twenty When my rankings come out later today it'll be ranked like fifteen ish. I would agree the there by the way and a confirmed from keith lipscomb. The george kittle is now available to drop obviously not news that we like to share but with the eight week timeframe and just nine weeks remaining in the season we have added him to the droppable list of players. Time now for lemons into lemonade with chase edmonds. Stare dovetails to news to find you that we got yesterday regarding kenyan drake. yeah cliff. Kingsbury was talking to reporters and said that kenyan drake's ankle ligament injury was not as severe as they initially feared When he was injured in week seven you recall. He was invisible pain. And here's the thing. They had a bye in week eight. He's not expected to play this week. But it is noteworthy that they haven't placed on injured reserve so it sounds like they're leaving the door open for him to potentially return sooner rather than later. I still remain a bit skeptical when it comes to foot and ankle injuries. You wanna see a guy back in practice and doing things before. You're comfortable That he's really that close to returning. We've seen this before when they tested. They're not quite as advanced as the coach hopes but at least for now it sounds like they're hoping to get him back within the next couple of weeks and the good news is because they had a bye last week if they had put him on injured reserve it would not have counted towards one of the three games would be required to miss if on. I r maybe. If things don't progress to the way they want them to they could at least consider it later on in the week but it sounds like for now. The cardinals are planning on kenyan. Drake being back before down. eleven week. Eleven so that is good news for the fantasy. Rosters and chase edmonds is a top ten fantasy play this week. And he's not losing this job internet if if cliff kingsbury watches any of the games chase edmonds. Ain't losing this job interesting. He's the better. He is the best running back on the cardinals right now. That is my belief that is my belief. that's my hot take. I'm stuffing the ballot box. That one you understand what i'm saying here field don't chase edmonds is the best running back on the cardinals. Actually don't think it's all that particularly close. And i and i will tell you that. I believe that That if chase edmonds has success which i believe he will in a lead role like i think there is a chance that they reverse roles and that kenyan drake when he comes back does not immediately get his starting job back and we saw this last year with david. Johnson kenyan drake kenyan. Drake started playing well and cliff. Kingsbury was like our guy. Now get it like. He inherited david. Johnson and kenyan drake was somebody that they traded for mid season. And now they they. They recite them new deal. I get all that. But i'm just telling you to the eye test. I mean the numbers speak for themselves. That chase edmonds. Numbers are much better than kenyon. Drake the cow numbers. Are you know in much much less touches. He's been much more effective than kenyan drake. But i'm just telling you the test. He's the better running babble things here. I don't believe they're gonna commit to a guy who has been size fulltime. I just don't believe it. These very and he has super talented kylie. Murray to calamari had all sorts of questions about aside. the cardinals took him first overall. I understand. I'm just saying like 'member 'member because he's got a quarter of an inch on his hand. He's okay be drafted like stop it. Well so chase edmonds also had a game last year where he went crazy. Drake was with them and then they traded for kenyan drake. I i believe the cardinals view tastes edmonds as a player that is better suited to handle somewhere between seven and twelve touches per game as opposed to consistently twenty twenty-five touches per game. I i just don't believe that chase edmonds is taking this job running away with it and making it his. Okay and drake kenyan drake active. He'll still touch the ball. Hillsdale get the work. But i'm not saying he goes from seven to twelve to twenty five touches. But do i think he goes from seven to twelve to fifteen to eighteen. Do i think. And i think that's enough. I think that's enough to to launch them in their chase. Edmonds over kenyan drake. I'm hanging tight here. I still think can drag presents more value rest of the season than chase edmonds. I say on a points per game basis. hey chase edmonds outscores kenyan. Drake the rest of the way a great deal. I'll take that one. I sent a points per game. Basis kenyan drake outscores. Chase edmonds the rest of the way the board just one that one thing is like we got bored. We should actually get aboard. We actually have an for aboard. Oh we could do we could. We could just build a physical board and just make kyle hold it. The whole time would be so much. Yeah it'd be good for like it would be great is like the whole thing and there's like a little hole for his head. Yes sir dressed as aboard. Yes how wait. What's better is it better with his head sticking out and then there's like there's the bets on the either side of them or is it like one of those sandwich you know sometimes when you're like a walking outside and there's some some poor person everybody's just breaking some. It's not a good job somebody. I dreaded the statue of liberty kind of gets you to do your taxes. It's like but he's got he's got. It's called the sandwich board. You know he's out he's wearing it around and it's like it's like a whole thing around him. Sure it'd be better like with a with the board. He just walks back and forth the whole. Show my favorite part as matthew. Starting this by saying we should make him this as though he would be a part of making any of the things like. There's no way that you'd be a part of constructing this board. That kyle will be a part of it right right right but like but like the. It's the collective we would hire. This exactly is yes. I delegate spoiler alert on places where you could find people to hire on making that a little bit later in the show. how good. oh. By the way that's lemons into lemme which is brought to you by truly limited lemonade. Mix of lemonade and celtic perfect for game day. If life or your fantasy lineups gives you lemons. Make lemonade and keep the good times. Go that again. i just totally seltzer. Eli so bad for the people who truly i just read all over that i spoke. Oh i'll read it already. Lemons into lemonade is brought to you by truly lemonade to eliminate a refreshing mix of lemonade and hard seltzer. That's perfect for game day. If life or your fantasy lineup gives you. Lemons make lemonade. Keep the good times going with truly. Truly hard seltzer live. Truly i just wanna make our sponsors get their money's worth because i'm making fun of most people would rather than continue to talk over top of the person in the mid would stop talking double down and talk to an extra amount already ruined. Have you save. Ruined your seven the show for us to focus on his points to find. I believe that it is very very. Buddy debenture quarterback with a mustache. Apparently of other plans. I feel i feel like in the in the in the world of the podcast. Like i'm definitely not one of the popular vote but i do think i think i make it the right states. Okay come on a safari here. Are some gardner minshew. News Gardner minshew oh is dealing with an injury. So it's hard to know exactly what this is if it's a benching or really if it's related to the thumb because obviously they were on the by last week and we learned that he had been having pain is them since mid october but the team only just learned about it going into last week multiple fractures and ligament injury and his thumb. It's not really clear how they plan to manage it going forward but they have just said he will not be playing a weeknight. Okay so we expect it to be jake. Gluten takes over for gardner menchu. He is a six round. Pick out of oregon state twenty two three touchdown to interception ratio last year with the beavers matthew. This do anything at all the value of the pastures jacksonville. I don't think it does weirdly. Look first off them. In great right in king keelan cole got up to the hot. He's been disappointing. Top twenty five finishes but still not great not great. Dj shark has been a disappointment so far this server and then beyond that. There's no one else. The only offensive player that you're starting out of jacksonville. James robinson expected right as right and so my expectation. Obviously is that james robinson continues to be a bell cow running back in touch. Even more of the balls You know that jacksonville is putting into offense and then the other piece of it here. Is that like this is a fantasy friendly offense. Like is jake we. We haven't seen him right but like they've had two weeks to sort of coach them up and get them ready for this. Offense is gonna be throwing a ton he's probably not gonna be the most efficient guy out there. But you know if you're in a two quarterback league fearing a deep superfly sleet like were they fired because again. It's going to be a fantasy friendly offense. It's going to be one. That's throwing quite a bit and like you know. Listen to garner. Minzhu has not been a good. Nfl quarterback this year. He's missed open throws he's been inaccurate. He's had some bad turnovers but he's been a good fantasy quarterback this year he's been a very usable fantasy quarterback and that's what i would expect with jake gluten. I had they kenny golladay. Today is the star wide receivers birthday but he is also hurts to find. You hopefully not in too much pain today at least enough to avoid having to celebrate. Well let's hope for his sake that he gets better news about his hip but we already know that he's going to miss week nine. And that's really the main news here. Obvi- obviously detroit doesn't share a lot when it comes to injury information but he is going through further testing and we hope to learn whether this is going to be a one week thing or multi week injury but for now not playing this weekend. Okay that's no fun for kenny. Golladay really good player for the lions. They have an important divisional match up against the vikings. This weekend marvin jones. How is he a top twenty. Play here or you know what it's time for was the time for it Undertaker gift martin undertaker gift absolutely to thirsty. Kyle notes that in his career with the detroit. Lions marvin jones seven more targets. He averages over seventeen fantasy points per game. And so you think about this minnesota defense right. I mean you know. Vikings twenty six against pass over the last four weeks marvin gently you know all due respect to marvin hall secret squirrel and the rest of the pass catcher there with detroit. But you would expect. Marvin jones we the number one target for matthew stafford and a game in which they should be throwing a bit. So i mean you know marvin jones very viable and he's out there in about forty percent of leagues. I believe last time. I looked field so not enough to make your way column but in an enough leagues that it's worth checking to see if he's out in your league. We like them for as long as kenny. Golladay is out now. I've heard some rumors field. And maybe you can help me on. This heard some rumors and secrets. Way in here too because your team yet. There's obviously there's there's a legitimate injury with the hip right but there's talk. That kenny golladay wants a new deal. And that maybe in a season that hasn't gone the way detroit wants to that may be kenny. Golladay is not russian back until that gets taken care. That's where that's out. There is one of the new deal since the moment he was eligible for new deal. This past off season as any player would they were close at one point. I believe it was contract thing. It would have been a situation. Where if he was going to miss time it would happen only time ago. That's my i believe kenny. Golladay will eventually be paid by the lions as well. I just want to say this show should be repaid. I want to say really quickly i think. Tj hopkinton is potentially even more than. I don't wanna say more jobs but like teacher hopkinson now. The george kittle is no longer a tight end for this year. He's third in points per game On a points per game basis. Tj hopkinson he's been good continually getting better and when you see the way that the lions have to continually throw to staying game. I think tj hopkinson kind of falls into this like top five category with like how well he's been playing for me recently share. Let's keep moving to a couple of pieces. They have always been playing for me recently. Yes he's alive but like he's playing for me you yeah not only do. I have tj hopkinson on a bunch of lines. But i'm also alliance fan and then tj also gave me a video one time of saying hello him and i kind of go a long ways back. Nobody deal that not clear enough It's very clear. Get positive your and we start with v most important player in fantasy. Football's to find your. What do you know about christian mccaffrey. Well i know that. They sure hope they see him this weekend. On the field against the chiefs. Matt rhule's said he's hoping that he'll be activated to play on sunday that he is going to practice this week just like he did last week and they are certainly hoping they will have him. He does defer to the medical staff. To make the final call which is appropriate obviously. He's missed six games. they want him back matthew. I know you've talked about. Mike davis maintaining some kind of role. Because he's too good to matt rule also agrees with us. He's a starter in the nfl and they will continue to use them. but obviously there's no one like christian. Mccaffrey is going to say rule. Finish that sentence by not christian mccaffrey's one of the best players in the league. So it's not like we're gonna play him you know for half the snaps or something To find your the steelers play the cowboys on sunday. If it's bend nucci this game might be forty. Two negative twelve is it could have negative twelve. Nfl you take the safety and the negative team. It's weird and who do you expect to play quarterback for the cowboys on on sunday. Hoping andy we. Can you imagine me. Andy dalton coming back from that vicious hit and a concussion to face the steelers defense offensive line. Yeah that's the plan for right now. He is progressing through the protocol. He has not cleared it. They're very they're very upfront about that. He has to go through more steps week including returning to practice but they are hopeful based on the progress. He's made so far that he will be able to join them on sunday. That will be certainly essential for the cowboys. Who as much as they look terrible and they do look terrible clean to hope in that. Nfc east are you get into this later in the week but are you. Are you starting any. Non ezekiel elliott cowboy. Even of anti dalton's under center on the road. Abyan martin. luther maybe mark cooper i think about it. I think mari cooper's maybe he's a maybe for me right. We'll see i but he's a long ways to go this week before ways to go this week. I actually won't be here. I actually won't be here tomorrow or thursday as well. We'll check in on friday. Okay ask play. The mike can talk about that so just a couple scheduled days off there. All right So all right actually aloha summer. The wait is officially over college. Football is back and so as an all new season of your favorite dr pepper obsessed college football town. That's right we're not fans ville so brace yourself for the all on the field football drama and off the field dr pepper flavor. Your eyes and taste buds can handle. Because even though you can't be at the stadium you can still dress. Cheer and drink dr pepper like a true fan head to a store near you to treat your inner college football fan to an ice cold. Twenty ounce dr pepper. Today i am just telling you. Sometimes there are a few things in life that quench the thirst. Quite like the appropriately timed dr pepper. 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Brady nineteen point one fantasy points on a night where he was far from at his best pretty gritty effort from that giants defense on the whole. I don't to be labor. This too much Tom brady has been fantastic. He has a difficult stretch from weeks. Ten to twelve but other than that. Tom brady setting himself up for just another monster fantasy and it just for people that are watching at home just i wanted to take one moment to notice this that he is now eleven. Point six five fantasy points away asking jerry rice to become the all time leader in fantasy points now drew brees right there with them the going back and forth a little bit here but by over nineteen fantasy points last night and nineteen point one standard scoring. He's eleven point six five away from passing jerry rice. We expect them to do that next week week. Nine against the andrew raise so That'll be That'll be fun. We'll look forward to that too something to note but tom brady. Whatever so next for saints. Panthers rams chiefs whatever especially by the way seeing what we've seen with some of these other quarterbacks that have struggled lamar jackson josh allen. Tom brady is a no brainer. Not worried about it. Start at no matter. What every week. Let's have some fun with these bucks running back for the much fun right now in fantasy football as last night. Leonard fournette dominates the snaps after ronald jones. Fumbles fairly early on in the game and as we often talk about coaches have zero tolerance for fumbles. Roggio was it on the ground and next thing in olenin for net out snaps and forty seven to seventeen. It was a forty six to seven. Snap ed after that fumble by ronald jones. It's clear that this backfield is going to twist in the wind by the week. Hundred percent by the way. I'm amazed ronald jones. Got seven snaps after that. Fumble fumble was deep in buccaneers territory. John i'm sorry john. Yeah i mean in giant scoring right giant scored very easily and put them in a hole. And it's just it's unacceptable. It's unacceptable bruce. Arians is unacceptable. Tom brady some coaches are more. Like pete carroll like atta boy go get him like i believe in you and other coaches are like. Yeah you're done. And the buccaneers are more of a. Yeah you're done and so my expectation here. Like i'll have leonard fournette ranked higher than ronald jones going into next week now. Neither guy was particularly effective. Running the ball giants a nice job in terms of run defense but for net is a good pass catcher before that caught over seventy balls last year for jacksonville. Cut six the week before had had you know three catches on six targets in this one against the giants and so my expectation is is that you're right it is going to be running back by committee. It's gonna be a little bit hard to decipher but you're you're certainly. I don't know that you have confidence in either. A guy going up against the saints next week but you prefer at the moment. You have to four net of ronald jones. Gronk is looking like himself of late with three straight games over fourteen fantasy points but the wide receivers where it gets interesting and smart trade. Decisions are informed by. Ibm watson a mike evans subject of today's trade decision. As you know everybody probably knows by now. Antonio brown is eligible to play in week. Nine for the buccaneers. Chris kaban maybe not gonna play in week nine but he's going to eventually be back in the question. Becomes this if you have mike evans. And he's played how he has up to this point this season he had five catches for fifty five yards and a touchdown last night by certainly very usable fantasy night. Fifteen and a half sixteen and a half fantasy points. But it's been a slog this year from mike evans. He has been saved by touchdowns. And he's an excellent touchdown makers six and eight games. I think the question you have to evaluate is as the addition of antonio brown and chris godwin give mike evans any chance of becoming even more effective player this year or just rob him of whatever targets. He's kind of already seeing antonio brown. A trusted friend of tom brady. It took him three practices last year to immediately become brady's favorite target in the patriots offense. I have a hard time envisioning that. Antonio brown came to tampa bay to be a bit piece in this offense. I think that mike evans could wind up being the third most valuable wide receiver in this offense for the rest of the season. If you're thinking about trading mike evans and you can get a weekly starter. I don't think it's a crazy idea. Base of how things have gone so far this year. And just how touchdown dependent he has been for tampa bay get to the giants and feel before we move off the so very quickly Thinks is important We can bring define you real quick because there was news. Find a about we. We thought chris godwin was gonna miss a lot of time. And then the timeline seemed to switch like what he missed the game last night. But what we know about. Chris godwin going forward. Yeah he he could return as soon as next week. He ended up having surgery and the surgery. Basically when you put hardware in to stabilize a fracture it allows you to be functional munch sooner and so it went from an original four to six week. Timeline is what adam schefter reported to one to two weeks. We have seen guys come back from hand and finger fractures within ten days or so they really just want the wound to heal usually the stitches to come out to make sure there's no risk of infection and then if they can function and in his case obviously it means to be able to control the ball. It is his left hand. The index finger ball security may be able to make plays need to play block appropriately. And if that can be done then he could be cleared to play. Okay well soon enough. It will be a very very deep in town box wide receiver. It's probably a nice run for the answer. Larry pieces like scotty. Miller j making do had a big night last night in terms of targets. Hard to envision any of those guys having steady role going forward absent injuries to the three star players for the giants a bad season for daniel jones continues sixteen point two fantasy points. And you know. I think the reality for daniel jones is that ship sailed awhile ago and being a fantasy piece this year. The big question is whether he's got a chance to be a legitimate starter for the giants going forward and we actually watched this game together to the three of us. At the volume. Ii socially distant last night of course but every play. I was preparing myself for the chance of a turnover. It just wear now with daniel jones. So i think from a fantasy perspective even with a good schedule coming up and it's a very good schedule coming was. That's what i was going to bring. That's was gonna bring up. So let's look at this upcoming schedule right. So at washington home to philadelphia by than at cincinnati at seattle and daniel jones from pure. Nfl standpoint had a poor game yesterday. Had a couple of bad picks like had guys open deep in just missed them by a lot but at the end of the day sixteen point two fantasy points against one of the best defenses in the nfl. Like that's not by the way more fantasy points than josh allen. This week i know. But i'm just saying were in four four. Those fantasy points come on a gift when donald jones fumbles at the twelve yard. Line right You know so like my my feeling is that they didn't he didn't rush as much as you would have hoped the twenty yards rushing right. I don't know that i'm looking at last night. And saying like anything about that. Performance was particularly inspiring. I agree that's favorable going forward so no one. I don't think anybody is consistently starting daniel jones. Maybe he'll be a player that fills in on your by week because he's got washington philadelphia and cincinnati plus seattle in his next four games. Let's get wayne goldman. Because he stepped up in place of devante freeman but not entirely he did have a rushing touchdown for the second straight game. Thirteen point two fantasy points but not trying to be funny here not only do we see wayne gama last night. not only. Did we see elijah penny last night. And dion lewis. We saw alfred morris activated from the practice squad. I mean of all the players could have seen it a game on monday night. Football was great to see alfred morris. By the way. I've got a point. Shannon alfred morris. Who's been on. Mothballs for two and a half years just comes off the practice squad. Does he gets a point a couple years ago when i did the whole rant. And he was the starting running back of the forty niners and then out of the blue. It's like oh here's really most hurt. And you know where he most bad decision weight then. He went away from her. He mustered like no shanahan does not get credit for -lutely not absolutely not. Hey raheem mostert with. It's only because of injuries to matt brita and tevin coleman and everyone else's like uh gas we gotta start this practice squad guy who buy like other teammate. Who took them three took most or three years to get into to become the starting running back. Kyle shanahan absolutely does not get credit for raheem mostert. You disagree with raid. I because nobody because we name another coach gave her the chance. You know what i can't do. I love you coaching. You'll but give you the teams that didn't know i said i get it. I get it. He was but but to be like He he built like they had him on the roster for a number of years and he was only. It's only because when he got a chance and then he performed the only reason he got a chance was not because they're like we see something in practice because everyone else was hurt. I've become an award winning producer players in the nfl. What was he was. One of the best specialties players in the nfl but matthew agreed he started off with the eagles and the dolphins and the ravens and the browns then the jets in the bears and the forty niners. So don't give me this song and dance about kyle. Shanahan not helping maximizes player like dude. Come on i mean to those teams hired. Adam gates that you mentioned. I mean like little ravens. One of the best front office football. Yeah exactly. it's hard to get on the field with the ravens. The ravens a good how they could use for he most backfield right now with two yards and a cloud of dust with again come on. That's only because they won't they won't free. Jk dobbins let's move forward because divine very better. Yes it was like a bitter bitter. And funny to see alfred morris out there a morris actually pretty good actually that offered morris had more of a burst than i thought and it is worth noting that we definitely well rested. And by the way i mean just remember. There is a history there. Alfred morris did have some time with the cowboys under jason garrett. So there is there is you know a familiarity. There wouldn't be surprising to see alfred morris. Be you know be in the mix here with the giants for as long as freeman is out but clearly wang almond is the guy. I'm going to start a giants running back. I don't think we need to get too far into the weeds on these giants pass sketchers but sherline shepherd has now has six or more targets in nineteen straight games would be twenty. Actually if you include our sees me it it. It's nineteen straight games out of twenty total plate. I'm excluding week two of this year because there's ran just nine routes before he got hurt right bottom line. Is that heavily targeted in this offense. As darius slayton the quarterbacks just going to undo them a little bit evan. Ingram has been a frustrating player throughout the year. Hang on for a second before. Move shepherd real quickly like he's the fourteenth wide receiver in fantasy last two weeks. Like he's like. I just don't think people are thinking about him in that like thirty five to forty range of wide receiver. And i think you need to move him up. I think he's a top twenty five guy. This is an offense me. He's a guy that is going to get a ton of targets in an offense and it's going to throw a lot because their defense he was one of the priority waiver ads last week continues to cement his status again based avoided it last night. Evan ingram had ten targets last night that was his third game. this season with nine plus targets. Haven't quite figured out how to maximize the ability. And we see the ability. But he nearly had a touchdown on a play. That actually kind of looked like when you got the pylon cambio. Yeah he was in didn't matter. The giant is scored but fantasy was a good reminder. That evan ingram is built different than most tight ends question for you field. Yates you'll be on the Nfl lives Trade deadline special actually. Sorry sportscenter sportscenter. Oh you're hosting it you you feel. You weren't available so they. It doesn't matter if i was. There's no way that let me on tv but hey does get traded today. I doubt it. Okay i doubt it but It's possible but i doubt that he gets treated to give your fun trade target for somebody that could use an explosive tight end because he's certainly is fast in the open field butte specter trade to happen today. Yeah i do okay. I don't expect to to happen to me. But i expect a trade or to dab. Today i mean anything exciting. Thanks yeah i mean trust way could be on the block for wasco no is your best offensive are like you guys. Think i'm kidding. Like don't trade dress way trustworthy punter for the the washington professor football team translate is terrific aid. Trust way they probably will not trade trust way. He's a lefty punter just like to. They left quarterback and get they're going to trade to a. Yeah that's right. that's what i'm saying to send that out. So not alert out news reporting to on the block Let's let's do a couple of takeaways on sunday for two but let me ask you this. Is there a single takeaway. Fantasy wise from what we saw. No no no no. they're released. it's no it's such a weird game because of added the defense and special teams and like. I don't think you got any sense of what the dolphins offense is gonna look like under to like. He threw less than twelve passes it. I had like zero takeaways on him. From a fantasy perspective on him from a real life perspective might takeaways from sunday. Are that if if you could pick a coach to build a program right now in the nfl put bryant floors in the shortlist. That man knows what he's doing very impressive. The franchise franchises definitely had in the right direction. If you're a dolphins fan. I think you have to be very encouraged by what they've done since brian floors has taken over my only my only takeaway about that offense is that. If you've been writing with mike kosinski you need another tight end. Yeah i understand. It's a wasteland out there. There's not a lot to choose from but like you need another tight end. I think that we'll have a much better conversation as do. I know you have a question here to ask in one moment. I think we'll have a much healthier conversation. Once they actually have to throw the football more than what whatever it was twelve times. That's sort of what i was gonna say was i i kind of look at the takeaway from this understanding. That like i think preston williams as somebody that you take a shot on right. He's been really bad this year. Right really bad however quarterback change going to be. It's going to look different with him under center with two under center. So the idea that preston williams if you have that one or two roster spots that you just continually churn through. I love the idea of like new quarterback. Maybe someone gets more involved at this point of the season because they just have new opportunities and someone else to be with. So i just have no evidence to point to no i understand. There is no evidence because we haven't seen it with to all. I'm saying we knew his patrick. It wasn't a thing. Is there a chance that you get a new or a new quarterback. Come in you see how some of those offensive positions kind of revitalize themselves a little bit. It's just something i'm thinking about. Maybe you know. Maybe i just have. Tj hopkinson. i'll tell you. I'm not saying he is. I'm saying the upside of a guy that obviously has been terrible. There is a possibility that somebody breaks out so to speak in that dolphins pamela passes not devante. Maybe maybe they're gonna they're gonna win with defense and they're going to win with being incredibly. Well coached special teams. The only kicker the entire. Nfl do not miss kick. the season. is jason sanders. Of course the miami dolphins so they've got a lot of miami dot fans when he moved right so anyways my point is that like the the formula for them this year might not be that somebody emerges as a reliable pass catcher in fantasy. I'm not into the wife waiver wire and it's week nine of the nfl season and so usually as the season further progresses unless there are major injuries the waiver wire does have some weeks kind of strike. You as duds. I'm not calling this week. A week of duds. But what i am saying is that i think there's a sort of a specific feel to this week's waiver wire column which is a lot of running backs who you have to trust the role and you have to trust the game script. Who could be on tap for them. Not a single waiver wire quarterback for me this week because most of them are already rosser and well over fifty percent of leagues plus you factor in buys plus you factor in like gluten. Nick mullins really not a quarterback that i'm focusing in on but i will begin my waiver wire dishes for the week in baltimore matthew or jk dobbins still available and fifty. Three percent of leaks dropped in a tunnel leagues after a slow start to the season and gus edwards available in ninety six percent of leagues. Obviously dobbins is a much higher priority. But if you are scraping for some running back depth and words does carry the ball. Ten to fifteen times game has touchdown but let me just mention this. Jk dobbins earlier. You and i had a conversation about kenyan drake and chase edmonds and you believe there's a chance at for the rest of the season chase edmonds will have more value than drake and i felt the opposite correct. I think we are in agreement that jk dobbins has more value than marking him for the rest of the season. And maybe we'll be flat wrong but to me. It feels like a very solid. It took me three years. And i'm still not one hundred percent there but it took me three years to free. Aaron jones gay taken to the streets using the hashtag the social media the whole thing. It took me three years to free aaron jones. Do you like packers season tickets as a result of that like how to green bay compensate you for doing that. They did not although i will say they have not. As yet and matt lafleur in fact has yet to acknowledge my role in their success. It's very upsetting perfectly. Honest right these coaches you know like whatever shanahan like you know falling into remote desert right like how you know. Matt lafleur needed to be told free. Aaron jones for your jones by the way mike mccarthy did not free aaron jones what happened mike. Mccarthy was on was looking for work. Yeah it wasn't it. I don't know this is this is hearsay or not sure. But wasn't so when we when espn through fiftieth birthday party prior to the two thousand nfl draft. Put a bug in the patriots. Years about drafting. Tom brady. I can neither confirm nor deny. Wow those two things so saying taped car. He must never i you know. Listen i you know whatever. We listen tech something to bill. Maybe i don't know it back. In fact i think letter and probably probably telegraph. I actually tell us. Yeah exactly Gave it to a crow. Exactly out harry potter. The owl i senator al to bell check. Look here's the thing. We three years to free. Aaron jones and i think i'm going to have to start the it's gonna take me a while. I don't know if i'll get it there this season. But we're gonna have to free. Jk dobbins hash. Tag free jk. Dobbins what are we doing. What are we doing baltimore. What are we doing like marking like to the eye test like. They're a better running team without mark. Ingram like i get. The guy is very popular in the locker room. Yeah but the winds are shifting a little bit less so for those that missed fantasy football now on sunday. I wonder relay a comment from. Diana was covering this game and something that she said was that in. Speak into ravens coaches. She was talking about how in some ways they view it as almost easier to not have had one of the three running backs in the backfield. I don't think this was a mark ingram specific question. I just think that the idea is sometimes when you have three running backs you're trying to develop a rhythm of flow. You're trying to keep them all happy and engaged but also you want to win the game. That can be a challenge having just two. It seemed like the formula worked and just candidly. While i think maybe in terms of overall skillset. Jk dobbins a mark ingram with two most talented in this backfield gus edwards survey very specific role for them. Say what you want go check. We're gus edwards ranks in terms of yards per carry and percentage of carries that gain yardage. When you wanna be a downhill running team gus edwards a guy to have on your roster i say all this because maybe maybe that too man rotation sort of inspires baltimore going forward to make a change that could result in a bunch more. Jk dobbins and especially for those who've played pr leagues which is the default setting on espn jk. dobbins gonna be the pass catcher. He certainly made them two of those guys. Let's get a couple more here and John michael hasty perhaps the lone man you can trust besides jerick mckinnon. I suppose in the forty niners backfield The calcium has been very transparent. We want to kind of mitigate the workload for jerick mckinnon after overworking of a bit by need During those two weeks in which he was the starting running back to michael hasty looked okay this past week but it's a great matchup on thursday nights so another thing that i'm realizing what the waiver wire column is that a lot of the ads could be very short term specific right so like i think to. Michael hasty is a top twentyish play. This week should be added as a result of it. I also think the damian harris is we're not expecting tevin coleman rights to find. We're not expecting update yet but he just reinjured his knee like it'll be four days. When that game is played on thursday games home writes finding it in san francisco. Yes it's in san francisco but remember so. Think about a player who they didn't do anything yesterday. All nfl teams are all nfl. Flew close today. Because it's election day like you think having coleman's going to return with like basically rehab and walk-throughs only for thursday seems unlikely to me now does even if even if somehow we were active. You can't start them. No and they brought him back for last week's game because they thought he was good and he left in the first quarter with the same thing. Like he's not they're not rushing anyone where he mustered eligible back ten. I think he's after the eleven week. Eleven by like michael hasty could be the guy for a while damian. Nears could be the guy for at least one more week in new england the patriots with jets. Monday night football on. Espn of course the game in new york. I'm gonna companyman name here is again. We talked about this yesterday. I wanted guy clear. They run as the patriots run. The football effectively. They don't do much effectively on office. But you've run the football pretty well. Their third in rush percentage in their second in percentage of yard the come on the ground so this is a team that you know is going to ground impound if they can. They should be able to do so against the jets on monday night. Damning harris another player the cracks my top twenty years for running back ranks at the. I'm not sure if you've finished your ranks yet for week nine. But i'd imagine damian harris if he's not there he's not that far off yeah play the jets like he's gonna be he's gonna be game flow and game script dependent. He's going to be they're going to be either very competitive or leading in the game and in this current state of the patriots. I don't know how many games there are like that but this week against the jets is one of them. There's going to be no passing down usage here for harris. If you're going to tell people to add running back that might be because you have to drop somebody else. I'm going to give you three names. You tumble whether they are welcome to dump shell mark ingram just mentioned yes agree there. Devante freeman who fifty two percent. Rosser right yes. yeah. I feel the same way. I think there's a chance that he takes over the starting job again. But it's the giants starting running back. What's it like a low. Like a top thirtyish option by the way. Here's the next. Three weeks are at washington home to philadelphia and then a buy. Those are three washington philadelphia for all the struggles of those teams. Both have good defensive fronts. Those are not easy to run on. And then james white for the patriot. I think it's goodbye. Yeah obviously fair. Reliable player and employers went through a ton deceiver personal level but one game with ten plus points this year. The patriots haven't been able to get a whole lot going in the passing game which is the great strength of james white more wide receivers in just a moment but first were from daniel. Do you own or rent your home. A matthew probably rent assuming he might own multiple. I hoping you are more agree. Do i'll bet it's really hard work for you out there You know what's easy. What's hard work for me own in the home. It is not hardware all the lawn and the pool care that you probably do and the trees and the s all that stuff. Oh sure sure. Sure honestly it's more hard work for my wife but yeah sure. Yeah well you know why. I watch her. She can bring her lemonade. Is she you. When she's done mowing the lawn. I come out there. I bring her in ice cold. Lemonade is the second live. Read that matthew has decided you engaged me all to marika. I'm sorry. I'm going to start over on your home. Sure you do. And i'll bet it can be real hard work you know what's easy though bundling policies with gyco geico make is easy to bundy your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy it's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com to get a quote and see just how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com. Today that's geico dot com. You know the pressure you feel heading into a fantasy draft. Wanna make sure you're picking the right guys to get a job done because whatever your strategy is at the end of the day it all comes down to. Who's on your team. But we really need is something like ziprecruiter for fantasy football tragically. They don't make that yet. But ziprecruiter is the real were in the real world makes hiring easier than ever and right now you can try it for free. Ziprecruiter dot com slash. Oh six oh no ziprecruiter since your job to over one hundred of web's leading job sites scanning thousands of applicants and actively inviting the most qualified candidates to apply so you can hire the right people fast in fact for two five employers who post on ziprecruiter find quality candidate within the first day. Imagine if we had something like ziprecruiter during fantasy drafts never lose. Try ziprecruiter for today when you post your job at ziprecruiter dot com slash. Oh six oh. No that's ziprecruiter dot com slash zero six zero one zero ziprecruiter. The smartest way to hire moving forward are waiver wire ads and matthew. We saw this one a little bit different yesterday. But i think we kind of met in the middle. We actually put a pin in it. That's corey davis. For the who believe mike. Clay noted this don't think he said he was five games played this year. Corey davis top twenty wide receiver. I think the way we framed it was a little bit different. You're saying like i'm not buying into the idea. That corey davis has like an automatic roster. Lock for you every single week. Did he plays. I was eating being rostered in one hundred percent leagues does. He's got a touchdown in three of his past four games. He's got ten targets and consecutive games. Ryan tannehill continues to play at high level as well. We talked about this at the beginning of the year after his first breakout game. The first game where he was awesome right. We said like so guy that was drafted very high in the nfl draft though right right and guy that has with his talent for years minutes had flashes analyze tantalized hand allies tantalized. Not do that. Because i would. Just be your dear. Dom noah fant joke. But i can't say he tannehill is. It'd be clear he came at this town. Does it anyways. yeah. I'm with you daniel. It's you can't say it but he's tanta thrill the you're just like stop wideband. Daniel stay like that the entire day. My god anyway. Look the fact i feel by the way i would just like to take one moment here to apologize. Our video team that has to that they cut all these videos up trying to make sense of this nonsense. I just just a genuine apology from the ozone o to the espn digital apologize from yourself. The trying to apologize for apologize for i apologize. I'm thinking of the hardworking men and women of the espn digital video team. All right fine look. So here's what. I will say about corey davis. We talked about this so again Nfl guy that was drafted high in the nfl. Draft tantalizing talent was somebody that was thought of as a trendy fantasy sleeper for a number of years disappointed disappointed disappointed somewhat due to injury somewhat due to performance and then finally the year that everyone's off of them suddenly breaks out. I was like is. This is corey davis. This year's devante parker because it's exactly what happened. Devante parker last year and we said like maybe maybe and it feels like. That's where we're at with corey davis. Who has almost twelve fantasy points in all five games of the season. He scored three of the past four. And you guys know that. I am a true believer in ryan. Tanna thrill daniel rand tanna thrill. Yeah is what is it tannehill. Thrilling what does it. Tantalize came yet. Tannen paneth thrill you decide what it is. I said it's ten of throw. But i'm just trying to give daniel tantalizing. Tannehill is on tannehill. Ising hand iso. He's got tantalizing talent. I'm a believe that he's a you know. Would any one the rest of the way. Obviously we've talked about this number of times on tannehill. Let's keep going the couple more waiver wire as wide receiver. Kurdistan was a fun player to have on your roster if he's utilized enough but the big question is whether he'll be utilized enough to week with carolina and i'm not buying that it's gonna happen matthew but i do believe he needs to be on more rosser and then just thirty seven point one percent I guess i'm not there. I mean look. I know like he had to touched. On what like three touches last week. Against the falcons. Ibm been a few more touches than that. He's averaging seven touches per game this season. Yeah i mean that's just not a lot of work. I mean like and feels like he has. He's had back to back rushing touchdowns but they both felt a little bit fluky. Like the one. Against the falcons. Like mike davis had to big long runs and they pull him out from twelve yard line or something like that. That courtesy samuel gets in. And now you've got mccaffrey back. Who you know is going to command a ton of touches. I think the question will be whether or not carolina talking themselves. More and more into curtis samuel as we keep moving forward. If robby anderson hadn't become a thing this year than i would agree with you. I just i know. They love robby anderson. There you know. Dj moore's not going away. They obviously have mccaffrey. Like the best case scenario the best case scenario to me assuming health for all those guys is that curtis samuel is the fourth option. Offense and how much work is the fourth option of the carolina. Panthers going to get to be consistent fantasy value. I get the talent i do. I get the talent and we like that offense. I just. I'm not there yet. Yeah i would say. Just just put them on the bench. Courtesy not someone that. I starting this week against the kansas city chiefs again. It's slim pickings right now. We are not looking at great offerings on the waiver. Wire by the way did you notice that. When he said slim pickings he looked right at me. Directly at mayo is right into me. Know if he said there was a large amount of things out there in the wave. Lyle there is a robust amount of players on the waiver. Wire you know what i'm saying. If like puffed marshmallow man was somehow on the waiver. Wire then. I would understand why he would look. Wow wow so. I was trying to be self deprecating. And you're like no no. You're not getting enough. Let me take a shot at here. Wait wait and i'm in there for the patriots right now. We know it is. It's bad i'm allowed to have a dad. That is what is so not rules. It's slim pickings for the patriots at wide receiver with julian. Edelman out on. I r and aqeel. Harry has not yet practice in suffering a concussion. Not this past week. But the week prior to that and jakobi meyers. Who last year entered the league. As an undrafted free agent impressed enough to stick around on the active roster finished with six catches for fifty eight yards in bad circumstances this past sunday with nasty weather up there in buffalo and ten targets. Maybe enough of a thing. That again in a great matchup on monday night. The jets that if you're looking for a fill in this week and with enough teams on a by enough injuries and enough roster shuffling tacoma myers could be a deep league consideration. Probably wind up somewhere in my top thirty five or so for wide receivers for week nine again if we're going to add a wide receiver it may be because you're gonna have to dump else in three more names at wide receiver. Matthew dumps fill your day. Julian edelman sadly but yes. Yeah i mean unless you already had unless you've added a bunch of irs. Lots which of course you can do. Then you can keep them stash there. But i'm with you there. Ty elton's to find his banged up we know what the deal is with him well. He had a grind injury. But the you know he wasn't doing anything for you anyway and he couldn't come back into the game so i've sort of put him off to the side actor in the injury of the lack of production welcomed the dumps t y hilton and then. Aj green who's still rosser and eighty two percent of leagues. He goes back to back solid games. Matthew and then has two point nine fantasy points in week. Eight dumps selfridge. Aj green or you just sort of hanging tight because those two games might be more indicative of what he's going to eventually become so i'm not saying definitely dropping. I mean right. He had the two games which we saw tough game last week as well be interesting to see like. Is there a chance he gets traded this today. Do you think there's a chance that auden tate john ross gets traded john ross vendors a chance no chance on jay who's pain nine million dollars for. Aj berry the jets could You know Like listen. I paid a lot of money to live in bel like whatever. They're eating money for leaving bell to play for the chiefs. Look no aside. Like i wouldn't mind if you guys if you dropped. Aj green. i'm not looking at you. Weird but i do think there was enough there. The last two games and that offense is so pass heavy enough. That i might hold onto him a little bit. There comes out so he's not. He's not definitely for me. The way that julian edelman hilton is but i also don't think he's a must held there were some. They were optimistic about dallas. I just kind of throw in from the idea of aged green right talking about him. would you drop. I'm just curious. Would you drop age. Green for corey davis this week. Yes straight up. Would you drop agent green. We talked about a little bit. Yes percent is there anybody on this list. So that curtis samuel would you drop aged green. I'd keep aj green over courtesy to just kind of for dead. We've talked to wilton. Deadweight he home drivers and even any roster now. Aj green is not dead weight. He's expendable though it's the right circumstances dictated that you could find someone who would be a better upgrade other wide receiver. Titans as always not a lot of options there but dallas got her name to at least monitor he's available about sixty percent of leagues and he had just one catch this past week there on a by now so you may not have the abode of the stash him but this is sort of a talent hedge right. This is a guy believe. Big things are eventually headed his way in philadelphia. So if you have the ability to rosser second tight end for one more week. dallas qatar. somebody keep on the radar thousand percent. There this go ahead. This feels like the rich getting richer here because if you're adding him knowing that is going on a by it's because you're like five two six and one or whatever you know whatever. Your record is or again with with benches so deep this year in some leaks. You might just have the flexibility. Assuming yeah. I was going to ask okay. I was going to ask you real quickly. To jordan wilkins make your list. He did yeah okay. That's about him a lot yesterday to we did either those interesting like you know. I don't know if you saw this. Like i tweeted this out on on social media as well but I tweeted out a clip from. Cbs of philip rivers. Postgame interview where he mentioned. He just says very quickly. Something like you know Jt meaning jonathan. He talked about. Jonathan taylor saying like ed. Jt was nicked up. So just some sort of very vague reference to taylor being not one hundred percent healthy. If taylor missed some time wilkins would move up the list for me. Certainly i would think he will be the number one waiver out of the week other than jk dobbins especially at running back so in the as a chance to be a top twenty five ish player. Jonathan taylor actually better than that. Top twenty player jonathan out this sunday against the baltimore. Ravens will monitor that moore on wednesday probably thursday. Keep in mind just as as you're doing your waiver claims like there's some upside potential upside at least in the short term for jordan. Wilkins right so on wednesday. It'll be myself and mike clay hanging out with you. We'll do some rankings conversations. Probably some news updates in case there are any and maybe some reactions to some fantasy. Football relevant traits. If you could just think of top of your head in the last minute or so that we have here is. There are certain trade that you've at least seen some level of buzz about that. You're like that would be awesome for fantasy. Football will fuller to willful or somewhere and the chess piece in this whole fantasy. Trade deadline con. How how how are they gonna move will. Who are they going to. They're going to give the football to. They just gave away deandre hopkins if they get rid of will fully. Here's the reason why it's not about what they could do for the rest of this season about the idea that they are going nowhere at one in six and they have no first round pick. They have no second round pick. Willfuller is going to be a free agent. They don't believe and they've had four and a half years now to figure out if they get a long term deal done with wolf fuller a year and a half since he's been extension eligible eligible. They haven't gotten something done yet. Is that a sign. They're not going to meet his demands or he's not gonna come down to their price or maybe they haven't had any conversations about extension but my thought is that it's short term pain for term game. Yeah i interesting. We'll keep an eye on will fuller and so much more again three. Pm if you're watching us live or listen to the podcast early three pm eastern time. You haven't voted yet and you are eligible to vote. Please vote today please. Exercise your right. We will talk to you tomorrow. Field of mike hanging out with you then in the meantime for matthews daniel. We'll see you on wednesday peace out.

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Top Ten Fantasy Football TEs For 2020 (Ep. 834)

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Top Ten Fantasy Football TEs For 2020 (Ep. 834)

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And I thought we were ahead of the game, but I actually looked it up last year, Palmos. I mean this is GonNa Post on the twenty second, basically exactly one year ago today I was in this very same seats. We didn't have the Monitor, but similar setup breaking down the top ten fantasy football tight end, so it's it's it's crazy. How that kind of worked at we didn't plan it at all I was nailed the fact that two eagles tight ends would be in the top ten goddard ten Erz number. Five of course did miss out with my heartache of the year that George kittles going to be a top ten fantasy football tight end, so I was wrong about. About that career, but again I like doing these top ten lists and I like to throw in I like to Pencil and a couple of surprises you. You can do this machine and just look at the numbers. Do Your Little Algorithm Plug it in pooping act like a machine? But again that's not why like Sean, sake and the one at green I bring an element of gut handicapping. 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Fast payouts with that bitcoin couldn't recommend it more. You don't know how to use BITCOIN We have an article up on team. My podcast how to deposit had a withdrawal using bitcoin of course by booking data g where you can play, win a get paid. Let's talk. Some fantasy football tight ends Kramer. Scores. Former tight end time, bring a lot to the table. Ah you start. Who's your number tight? Your number, ten fantasy football tight end for the year two thousand twenty cam well, and you know I. Almost put your boy Penn. state Mike Koseki. He's going to be running around there. Hopefully, it's to I wanted to to find a way to get him in I couldn't get him in. He certainly a guy I like right near the edge. I like him a lot, and we'll get to that later on in the list, as is as our guys like Hayden hearst and Austin Hooper, but my number ten guy is a guy who, in line with how I like. The quarterback and I like the weapons on the outside with Cortlandt Sutton Jerry Judy no offense. Maybe the tiebreaker was I wanted to talk about him. More than the other guys and Noah Fan was a guy who flashed as a rookie. Not Something you see all the time, this dude baller, and with the wide receiver talent Portland Sutton by the end of this year. You're going to be talking about in redraft years for twenty twenty one taking him in the first or second round. He's going to have Jerry Judy next to him. This is going to be a high powered offense and the tight end is always the forgotten weapon I really like especially running game to. Action? I love Noah Fan I wanted to get him in my top ten I think he I think he probably. I, think I think it's a pretty good cutoff, maybe two or three tiers in. Include about ten guys for me, so my first guy is going to be no offense. I liked the upside here. I'm GONNA I'm. GonNa, end up with a lot of him. In Best Ball I can feel did make my top ten lists that as well. I have a hair higher. We'll get to that in just a second. My number ten and this again is a guy like to talk about. Give Me Rob Gronkowski. I don't think he's going to have a huge year and. and. Certainly the injury concerns are a great reason and the targets here great reason not to love Crock but two thousand eighteen. You would think that was a horrible year for GRONK. Yolly started eleven games, and yet even in those eleven games, six hundred and eighty two hundred yards three touchdowns. I think a fifty yard or sorry. Fifty catch five touchdown season is very real for Rob Gronkowski and the reason I think he cracks. The top ten is because of the touch dance. He has chemistry with Tom, Brady. Everyone keeps talking about how cove in one thousand nine to impact the off season, the limited training camp. He's hanging out with Tom. Brady now in Florida. They're getting their. Thing or a bad thing. If of your handicapping guy who may get cove in nineteen, Gronk, unfortunately high at the list, but I love Bronx Immune system. The only thing this guy is going to be catching this year is is touchdowns from old t t Tom Brady and you'll see a little trend here that when handicapping fantasy football, tight ends which I love to do, who do I look for? I look at old veterans, who maybe losing some arm, strength and easy completion they need that security blanket of a tight end and young, first and second quarterbacks. Who again maybe they're having trouble getting the ball deep outside. They need the safe routes now or guys who are going to be involved in the bootleg. Possible, mobile quarterbacks they like to find the tight end as well so those are kind of the quarterbacks like to match to the fantasy football, tight ends, and that's why I got Rob Gronkowski number ten and. There you go Kramer. WHO's your number? One and I'll just. It's great. Transition I might Gronk my number, not guy and the reason. He's only nine for me again I put three hundred K. on this guy in our season-long props episode. Go look that up. We put a million dollars out there on the line. My mega whale play was Gronk to go over five and a half touchdowns, and I think if you like him to go and score touchdowns this year you know to be at number ten number nine tight end I'm not I'm not needing a ton here and with the talent all over the field. We know what's going to happen. GRONK might not be the weapon he was, but he's going to be the weapon. He was around the red zone and ten touchdowns completely legitimate thing if he can stay healthy, you throw you. sprinkle in what fifty yards a game completely realistic. Yeah, so hard to not think the counter argument to Gronk is that. Target share well, and you're going to have to probably take them to I. Think US putting Gronk here at number ten. Probably leads him to not being drafted by us because people are gonNA. Grab them. He's a name. Are He's a name brand. People are aware of the relationship with Tom Brady, and at the end of the day any fun to have on your team. Let's be honest. He's you have your team so I think for us to have him at nine and ten respectively. We're telling people that we were not gonNA. Buy In on this hype while I do believe he's. He's good for those touchdown. Probably over, we're not drafting Kramer we mind, meld right now I know a fan as well. My listeners had him at number nine, and you brought up a great number of great points why we should have been there I think real real chemistry. With, the quarterback drew lock and if you look at. Here, we go if you look at. Candidates that can make that jump from year one to year two. We've seen in the quarterback position certainly, but also happens in the tight end spot. A Mark Andrews was case last year he really came out of nowhere had a decent rookie year thirty four catches, three touchdowns not had a better rookie year, forty catches and three touchdowns, so I think could really make some noise great chemistry with the quarterback, and he only started eleven games, and seemingly he got some good production, which you lack there at the end when lock was making. A foreign one as the starter so again it's a good system I think they're gonNA. Give drew lock some easy throws and the only I. Think the argument against him is they brought in a bunch of weapons, so and you have Portland Sutton. One last note. IS THEY DO Melvin Gordon? So maybe that takes away from his touchdown. Share near the goal line something to consider, but number nine feels right for me. WHO's your number? Eight fantasy football tight end well, and this is maybe where we get into hot take territory. Off Because I. I'm extremely curious as to why. This guy is so far down the board I feel like. We saw a lot of potential and the only reason we didn't see more was because the quarterbacks situation was a disaster disaster, and that's TJ Hopkinson really my also my number and So. Again I think my list is going to be a little non-conventional, too. Because the titans always drop in and out, and I think this is maybe the the start of my like wove. Really Tear, and you're not gonNA. Hear me like number. One guy that I think people are fucking crazy for putting in the top ten tyler higby. I saw I think either the fantasy pros or rota world I saw him in like tier two. Well, what what? What all right I get it they were. They were hanging out together and hard knocks. Maybe they're BFF's but Sean McVeigh. Has Hasbro forever been trying to get a second tight end involved there so and he doesn't and the system. Does it really rely? Rely on the tight end there are more likely to go through the slot receiver if they're if they're doing stuff over the middle, so my case for Hawk again, he's that perfect case of the rookie making the jump second year he had thirty two catches last season, but that was with no stafford and his season Kinda got cut short there at the end. Didn't play a full season still had eleven and a half yards per catch. That's a good number four a tight end. He plays in Dome Stafford's back. Ideally healthy and Matt Patricia. An old school guy, he's coming from the bill ballot. Check System, which loves tight ends I mean. Look at look at what Belch did for the tight end position Yeah Bill. belichick loves tight. Ends Matt Patricia Bill Belichick. There go. Hopkinson is loved by Matt. Patricia and I think Stafford's GonNa love thrown into the kid and you saw big games. Staffer still in. Opening game of the season granted. It was against Arizona. But he he was he was electric. And I do think what what what I look for in the tight end position especially when I'm drafting so the in this range now what I'm basically saying is I'm not taking the top tier. Guys but I'm willing to take this guy. Maybe in the middle rounds depending on the format, A. F. FCC leagues especially they get juiced up a bit because the one and a half Pr. I'm stepping out on a limb here. The number seventeen consensus tight end, according to fantasy prose. He's the my number eight guy, your number, eight guy to TJ Hopkinson number seven Kramer well number seven Let's let's go back a little chalky head over to my new. York giants. Evan Ingram did not make my list and that to me is. The reasoning they make my list is they seem like they were trying to get rid of the trade issues and and injury issues, but athleticism is there. What's your case for Ingram? I think it's just the share. He's the target. Share could be good. We've highlighted that the passing attack could be inflated due to a bad defense, there are a number of I know the schedules tough again. Another reason they might be behind a lot and throwing the ball. I think there's a lot of reasons to look at the giants schedule this year and be terrified as a fan looking to win games, but be delighted as a fan looking for fantasy perspectives, because while they they do appear to be going more towards A. More conservative offense I do think they're going to use Evan Ingram and better ways. Yeah, and they're going to get. Garbage time the giants look at both Freddie Kitchens and Jason Garrett. Tight ends are heavily involved in those offenses and what you will about the the how good they are. The tight end isn't all can shine box and I think. So good that we don't have to get rid of that trap, here's here's the thing with Evan Ingram and I am a fan, but the reason that you're okay taking Evan Ingram at the same time. You are TJ. Hopkinson for different reasons right like one. You know I think he's going to take a big step forward forever. Ingram I just think the volume could be so massive that we're looking back on this. And how many of these guys have the capability of walking away with with you know? Ten catches for one hundred forty yards. I! We're GONNA advantage. Four room, and not to split hairs too much, but Ingram is guy. I would be more likely to have an a best ball because that high that super high. Is there and maybe the consistency staying on the field week in week out productive starter. Is there my number seven? Total Eagle Star of. All in one of the Stars Dallas Guy that you were waiting. What do you mean I thought you were gonNA. Wait wait shit oh no I well I. You said You didn't want to jinx football well. I considered football coming back. Carson wentz started throwing Jalen. Raygor I consider that the opening of Cam so I allowed myself to watch goddard coming off a good season fifty eight catches. Five touchdowns and he was number ten four. Overall and fantasy rankings number seven feels about right there. They added speed to the outside. It seems like twelve personnel is going to be their base personnel package, so he's going to be out there for the majority of the snaps now. He's GonNa probably facing easier coverages him and went seem to develop some chemistry. If you saw the news, he was at some bar, hanging out in South Dakota and subdued walked up and sucker punched him. That dude's fired up. Up and he saw his teammates rally around him on social media. This is coming in with a chip on his shoulder, and I have a couple of guys in this window the second third year jump. I think he makes jump up. And I think hurts a probably similar numbers to what he did last year. Maybe maybe slight decline I'll reveal. Where have here a maniac? I mean they hit number ten to number five so to have him number seven I. Think is realistic, but they add I mean they ask Shawn J J., these guys are GonNa take away some of the that production that they had to step in to lash and that's probably good. That's a good point that maybe bringing in these legit receivers again will hurt understand. I it's a red zone thing as well five touch dance, and of course he plays for the Philadelphia Eagles. You gotta get him in there. Kramer and I'm a sucker. Tight ends. Can I get Jon Gruden. Yes. Yes which one we gotta get our shit going out mine number six Guy Darren Waller see waller didn't make it really an. How does he not make it? Yeah I get the case warm I. Get the the perfect player for that system. We knew he was highly touted. He finally got his shit together. He's in a again great system. He has two quarterbacks that have no idea how to throw the ball down the field past ten yards. Yeah, and maybe maybe a little bit of an oversight because you're right like the type of quarterback that liked onto the tight end. Is is certainly Darren Waller to me? I want to go against a guy that has that random out of out of nowhere insane production. He had three years before last year with a combined eighteen receptions, and then last year is ninety receptions, but it feels like to me. It's a bit of an allergy, but I guess the case for it is even if you regress tremendously and only gets you sixty catches. He's still probably cracking the top the. He's just outside. My top the important thing to remember is that if you have a data point, that is an outlier as long as it's explainable. And it is right the. It's a very logical thing to understand well. This guy used to be a drug addict. Right got shit together. A coach, who believed in him got in the right system right time, right place Cox and he was electric I mean that dude is going to have a career in the national football income based on that one season coat. Every coach in the League saw that he could do it so number six, and honestly this is kinda where strike the end of of my like my this tier, so waller down to fan you know I'll I'll draw another line in front of Gronk. Gronk to tears there but wall waller is definitely a high upside guy, but I think still putting him here. I'm not drafting him because he's going in the top five I believe. Yeah, I think he's a bit overvalued. I made him number eleven official, but just just outside, but you make a great case there my number six mark. Andrews? Oh, no on him well again. I just don't think the Baltimore Ravens offense and that system. They put out there. Everything went right. Right injury wise I mean they did. They did have some bad injury. Luck when it comes to know, that was the forty niners. Everything just went right for the Ravens and Mark Andrews was that second year breakout guy sixty four catches. What really to me while I have met sixes ten receiving touchdowns I. Just don't think he's going to get that number again. I don't think they're going to score quarter much as they did. And I think you saw that Lamar Jackson offense at the Ravens, put together, it was very. It was great. It was you know got him an MVP season. I just don't think they have that. This is an Andy Reid Kansas, city chiefs that are just gonNA keep putting out high-octane numbers year after year after year. I think Mark Andrews is GonNa be a solid, tight end ten receiving touchdowns. He doesn't get near that, so I got him number six here. And if you look at the way, he played last year. A lot of that a lot of damage was in the first half of the season where he was essentially a Loughrey targets a game and teams kind of adjusted to him down the line. I just think it's. In the same I think Lamar is going regress a little bit and it. Makes Sense to respect Mark Andrews to regress a little bit there as well. We're getting jacked up about football win totals. Ardy out could be book in that action. That's right. If you're wanted to become your own bookie, all you're GONNA do is go to as per head dot com slash S. GP use that link get up to six weeks free. spor- dot com slash as. G.. P. A.'s makes it very easy to get set up You can become your own sportsbook I. It's pretty easy. Don't need to know how to run a website to come up with lines. They do all that for you. Very plug and play. Great Customer Service couldn't recommend them enough. Just go to as dot com slash s GP as for Dot Com Slash S G eight. Going have to list Kramer who do you got number five well, and my my next guys, the guy you talked about Mark Andrews and and here's the main reason. Why said I was low on? And you gotta at five, so I it's annoying because I think we're high and low in the same people here and were are hot takes are all the same, but when you look at his consistency game to game, and perhaps baby a better target in best ball for this reason. He he just had some. He had games reading output anything because there are run first team six games. He only went saying he. He didn't get into double digits NPR points. You can't do if you're drafting a tight end in the for and the F. FCC. You're taking Mark Andrews in the first three rounds. To round with that point and a half. NFC But again to me. He feels he's not going to have those same numbers. People are drafting office, two thousand and nineteen production, and it just doesn't. Sit, on the flipside I do think there. There's versions of this where he gets more involved in the offense, because that's more of them are Jackson's game. That work off the running game, Mark Andrews in the past action. Yeah, I just don't. I think all these other guys that I have ahead of him. Just have much higher ceilings. Perhaps that I like I think Andrew is a high floor high ceiling. Guy Who who's GonNa, have a lot of variants, and that's maybe why I'm going to steer away from him. Number Five Guide Mark Mark Andrews my number. Five guy kept him off the list last year at a spite his. Suspension has been lifted. He's back in the top ten list. You're welcome. George Kennel number five. You can say my bad you really I watched that guy. He's actually a real beast. He's exactly what I was trying to be as a player. Come on, line I, what his appreciation! He won me over last year when he discussed how much he loved blocking in the Super Bowl, so super bowl interviews leading up to it so. Kennel I was wrong. I was a bit of a hater. I looked in the mirror I said no more hate and I got him in there pretty consistent past two years eighty eight and eighty five catches, five touchdowns, both times granted. You shouldn't have been all-pro that one year in two thousand and eighteen. I'm not I'm no longer holding that against him. He wasn't involved in the voting process. Zakar should have been the on road there. That's bigger view. It is big me, and yeah, there's. Nothing major is going to change for that forty nine or system. There's still want to give Jimmy G. those easy throws. They still don't trust him. Put the ball. Downfield I mean only eight throws in the NFC championship game, so maybe limited production in the passing, but eighty catches for five touchdowns signed him up for that again. His yardage dropped off by about three hundred from two thousand and eighteen, the two thousand nineteen, so a slight drop-off maybe gets you. Maybe he gets you still that nine hundred yards. Seventy catches only. Six touchdowns bounce it out so number five feels about right for George Kendall. Sean my number four. Yes, sacher, it's Oud. Okay I mean I think it's foolish to go any higher with hurts I think the emergence of Goddard the reason you have him. In the top ten list is the reason I can't put hurts any higher on this list. The ceiling is too low and I think. You know I was a guy who greatly benefited from the two thousand seven season, where he was just an absolute monster and consistent i. believe it was something crazy like fourteen games he was, he was a top twelve tight end, which is insane like no down games ever, and since since then it's not the same thing, and there's been more duds in last year, we. A he had a number of duds last year because Goddard was so god damn good, but also even with those duds he was still fifth overall, facing football tight ends, and that's what's missing two games, so I'm still. I'm still fairly high. I'm just because clearly. Carson Wentz like that's his. Tight end you know we will. Maybe we'll learn something later in life in a biography or something, but for now we just know he really likes thrown to the tight end, and so I I can't put any lower than four and I can't put her. It's any higher than four. So. He stuck at number four four sounds about right. I don't have number four. This guy may not even be on your list Kramer, but he's another guy that I've I've saw we're going to have the same guy I've I. Throw them in a number of times. Hunter Henry Buck. It's too obvious. The case for one hundred Henry Injury risks are are a factor, but put him number for it just makes so much sense you either get a rookie like Herbert. WHO's GONNA WANNA. Get the tight involved. It's very simple. Throw or guy like tyrod. What's the knock on tyrod? He's too conservative. He's going to be checking it down and Melvin Gordon like Porno Fan. Melvin Gordon now in Denver, so all those goal line carries the Melvin Gordon, maybe those become. Red Zone touchdowns the Hunter Henry last last bit a nugget on one hundred Henry He's played on the franchise tag so this guy. This is the year. If he wants to get into that top three top four tight end money, he's got to have big year number wise and put them at four just makes sense Hunter Henry. I'm guessing you have them as your third. No. No I do know how I do not I go. So we do differ a little bit, yeah I you know. Here's the thing I I really. I really worry about Kelsey this year and to take Kelsey. You gotta take him super early and I. Just he's been consistent. He's been healthy. And at some point, we saw the way he went out of that playoff game. At some point he's. He's dipping down I. Think this was my own way of saying you're not like. Be Smart. Don't let Shawn's hate of George Kitto bleed into your ear because Kim Il is absolutely unstoppable. And And I want you know I thought I was going to come in here with a hot take with Hunter Henry. Pretty high on my list sounds like you beat me to the punch. I'm going Travis Kelsey here at number three. But who do you have? This is going to get interesting. Kelsey you have number three Kelsey three? Okay I just to me I. I kinda played it this way. Last year I had an opportunity in both of my F- apiece teams, the Kelsey, over a running back or receiver, and like the middle of the first round and I didn't do it because I'm just terrified of taking the tight end. Just watch him go down and it feels like calcium. We're waiting for Kelsey to go down. He plays violent. Violent he plays aggressive does take a ton show I know that I don't typically include this in my ratings, but I want I. I didn't want him to be my number. One guy this year I i. don't think he's going to fall the number. One Guy I think he actually I would go even this far. Travis Kelsey is the guy who I'd circle and say. You know maybe not even a top ten guy this year when all said and done. Yeah, if you sign up per game, but End To the end of the season. One guy to maybe have a unexpected drop it. You could make the case for Travis Kelsey, and maybe it is Edward to come in and get some balls out of the backfield. Maybe it is Edwards Layer, or I'm playing the hangover card actually. I think there's a suitable hangover. And Fatigue and he's had. He's been very very consistent over his career last. I WANNA say four years. He's been pretty much healthy. And that that's pretty impressive in the modern day NFL for a tight end to do that. My number three tight end Zach Ertz. Look, you try to see him objective. I love when you do this. It's like when your dad goes fourteen into instead of sixteen, and you've got to throw in there. I realized possibly Jing some people and. Making some realistic little adjustments there arts should have by all accounts another big year. He's just a high volume guy, and the case against him would be like well. They brought in some speed, but really that speed I think is going to help them. Because that's going to get that safety to move over to covered Sean Jackson that deep safety is going to have to worry about Jalen breakers speed so I, think that's going to create opportunities for Zach Ertz, and again you talk about quarterbacks and who they're comfortable with. If it's like a glove right Carson Wentz Zach Ertz. They already have the chemistry. He loves throwing them even last year, which felt like a down year he still had eight catches six touchdowns. There are games where he's going to have touched. And so how many of those get does he lose out, I think. A ninety receiving a ninety catch season with nine hundred yards, seven touchdowns very realistic for Zach. Ertz he. He's usually pretty good about saint on the field. He's got a little bit better about yards after catch, which is kind of own the only knock, you could have of soccer and again I think the outside speed will open things up over the middle for Zach Ertz. They love getting him involved in the offense. They go. They go out of their way to. Things up for him, so I'd be shocked if he's not there. In the top five Zach Ertz. WHO's your number? Two George Oh. Wow, let's go I think for the same reasons I. I worry about Kelsey kittle. He missed a couple of games. He certainly a guy who's got her before and. I also I kind of am excited to play the the fade both teams in the Super Bowl. There's there's going to be a hangover on both sides, but kettle is such a big part of that offense I know they added weapons, but look already got hurt I. Know You know he'll be back, but. They added some weapons. You Know Samuel. You're talking broke his foot and broke his foot. He'll be back. I assume in time to play. It's not too serious. I mean the way that Garoppolo plays football kettles is just a big part of that. They re in the way that Shanahan coaches. Football Kettles going to be a big part of that so hard to imagine kittle falling out of even the top like three tight ends this season. Yeah, it's the same thing. It would be weird volume thing it would be. It would be touchdown variants if anything so. My number two Travis Kelsey I don't feel amazing about putting him up here at the more I think about it, the more we're talking, the drop is more likely, but it's tough to go against a guy with this much consistent production of just I mean he's had over eighty receptions pass for years. The touchdowns have been pretty good four eight ten five last year, five touchdowns ninety seven reception, so even if he only gets you six touchdowns and eighty five like he just kids the targets. I don't think he's going to have a crazy year like he had in two thousand, eighteen, hundred and three catches, ten touchdown that feels. Feels a little of the out of the norm, but just going through the year by year top three fantasy football tight ends. He's always there, and you're making a case about being ahead of the curve, and maybe not taking him because he's to be going so high. I like some of our sleepers I think you wait on tight end and take one of these sleepers, unless for whatever reason an Erz or Kelsey a or even a kid will drop, but what happens is these people value them almost as much as a receiver and take him really high, so I would wait on the brand name tight ends this year. My number, one guy and you're gonNa say you're going to throw it back in my face. Well, you've just you've just said. You don't want to absorb risk with injury with kiddle, and Kelsey and now you're gonNA throw. Hunter Henry at me as your number one title. Kramer. Call Me Smitten. I've had them before. He's done well and just look at the per game. Production when he was out there, right the the quantity of targets. Yes, different quarterback completely agree, but as you point out. Where are the eyes of that quarterback GONNA be. When tyrod was the quarterback of Buffalo? Who Do you think the most productive receiver was Charles Clay. When when Justin Herbert coming into the league. Sure it's nice to have Keenan Allen and Mike Williams on the outside, but absolutely hunter Henry. I would go on a live is one of the more dominant pass, catching tight ends in the league. When he's at his best, I would put him up against any other tight end some other shit. He did in college like memorable. Crazy athleticism and he did this. He only played in twelve games, and he's still at fifty five catches five touchdowns, maybe I was low on it, but he is, he's going to be a sneaky steel, and if you WanNa, I was watching the tape Sean. If you WANNA watch just an absolute be in. Green Bay last year. He just had this filthy catch in the third quarter. Sean Yeah I I feel like it's a massive hot take. I'm a little surprised. It's a big time heartache, but if this guy stays healthy. Sky's the limit. Hundred catches is not is on the table like he could also have massive touchdown year. I'm Lovin. Unfortunately, I'm going to be high on this chargers team I. Think this year but you know I'm ready to go ready to stand on a limb and say hunters, my guy. Well Lot of Nice title. WHO's your number one guy, my number one tight end. Can you guess it? Ryan well I mean there's one guy you're very astute and I'm sure you're going to. Give. Give your guests anyway. I actually haven't been paying attention to who didn't catch or who you didn't pick, but if I had to guess you're GonNa, say Sim God. Jared Cook, no. Okay, then then then I don't know paired cook again was on the list in the mix and again I think if you'd like Jackie. You're a maniac. If you like Jared Cook, I think the aging arm of drew. BREES is why you like him. What scared me away was? Was the fact that they brought in Emmanuel. Sanders and what that could do for them so I think jared cook is a top half tight end, but he's getting up there in age and a veteran like that with over ten years experience that has that big year a model suspect of him, but you're right Mike Koseki of the Miami Dolphins I expect to have a huge year again coming off a fifty one reception touchdown, a game and a lot of that. A lot of that was in the second half. The five touchdowns came in the final games so ten touchdowns for this guy very believable and quarterbacks. Pits magical thrown tube, and if you get to in there to is GonNa, throw that tight end, they're going to be bootlegging out. Play Action, and even throw the best Koseki they throw him in the slot in three receiver says what worries me Yeah I like the pick I'm probably higher on him than the consensus, but the consensus is somewhere in the middle tens. Tens? Yes, but what concerns me is, the dolphins might just be good enough team playing competitive low scoring games that he's not gonna get all the garbage he got last year. That's the only thing that's the only maybe was maybe was garbage. And maybe you know their defense, let up tunnel points, and they were playing from behind, and they were checking it down, but. This guy is a. he's just a legit. Stud athleticism wise very quiet rookie year two thousand nineteen is first eight games. He was doing anything zero touchdowns up until the second half of two thousand and nineteen something clicked for Mike is Seki and I think he's going to have a huge year. Am I going out on a limb making him the number one fantasy football? Sure, but that's what you get from Sean. Second the money green you get some gut takes, and can I tell you like serious talk? Yeah. Look in the camera so serious. This is not the year to go. Take tight end early. I know we've probably should say this. Every year and we started with quarterbacks similar thing, maybe not the year to take the tight end early because there's so much depth, yes, and I wanted to make sure we didn't get Outta here because we gotta get out here. We're going to go call some some college football on the old Sim Sean. But there are some guys that are pretty far down the board they you can get pretty late. Definitely last tight end in the draft type stuff that I think could end up. Being taught easily top twelve guys number one Eric Hebron. Are you telling me Ben Rothlisberger is not GonNa love floating ball up to that guy. Suck everything up in the end zone I. Know this is going to be really grow Schon but Blake Darwin. Well and you offense is set up for him to have your case against Blake Darwin is again. He's a streamer. You can probably find him on the waiver wire right right the case against him as a volume thing, but even Jason Witten. Last year was what twelfth in fantasy he was in the he was in the booth, but the year before that he was, he was twelfth and Fantasy football points. Last year, he played the year before was in the booth. Jason Win Yeah He's been gone for Thiesmann back last year. He played the year before I. Wait I'm not crazy crazy. Yeah, you're right. Boettger was all by himself Jason Witten last year he was. Top fifteen I'm saying I think that helps you with your Blake Darwin case because he was a guy. If you said Jason witten fantasy last year I mean you thought he was in the bull, so your instincts would say. This guy wasn't a guy who's getting a ton of I'm just not Jason Witten Fan Jack Doyle. Again Philip Rivers. We proven track record love. Ibran there. Yeah, but really effort coming back to my Koseki guess what is ADP is Kramer. Just gets round. Standard Dry. Eight nine twelve round. Okay, so this is a guy you can get at the very end of the draft that could be could be putting up double digit points every game. That's what I'm saying like. Hold off on tight end and then two more guys who could be maybe even further down the board. One guy opposed hype guy, and that's Herndon. The jets if this offense can click like we saw, click a little bit last year. Herndon all sorts of athleticism. He's got a four at the end of his name. That's cool, and then the last one we see him on the SIMS, every Thursday and Friday when we call packers game, and that's J Sternberg. He's the starting tight end in Green Bay. Sean you're telling me the starting tight end with the way that Leflore is playing with this offense in the running and being multiple, the tight end gets involved. I know Aaron Rodgers historically has never really publicly thrown to the tight end a ton. She did their career. Stern burgers like fifth tight end and my best ball team type of deep so and he's out there and super deep. DFS Guy Sean like deep into the title. Worth. Giving a shout out to our boy Anthony I. The second! To See, that guy is a sneaky. Touchdown candidate he I mean I wouldn't probably take him season long, but I would look to play in some DFS lineups depending on the situation and man. We're right around the corner. Talking about giving out DFS lineups of course before we wrap things up, make sure check cushy dream CBD. CB Pre. Rolls fifteen percent off if he's the Promo Code, S. GOP sell. A ship and legally to all fifty states, cushy dreams Dot Com Promo Code S., G., P., and football. Mondays Ma'am just GONNA. Keep cranking these out and some new NFL podcast every Monday from now until the season starts, this is awesome. Make sure turned into SIM action. 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Episode 80: Fresh Updates to Silva's Rankings

Establish The Run

49:30 min | 4 months ago

Episode 80: Fresh Updates to Silva's Rankings

"Has. Welcome to episode, eighty of the official established the run DOT. Com podcast that is. I'm one of the founders here. At etr I am the one who named one of his sons after Sam, Hinkie, and today I'm joined by your favorite. Fantasy guys favorite fantasy guy Evan. What's going on? What's going on at home been doing a lot of draft recently multiple FCC main event teams. I wrote about one in for our drafted I. Think it's actually up free. Read. Obviously did the Scott Fishbowl. Have done some. Expert Leagues so in in you know. Finally got settled in after moving and so I've been able to sit down and really goes through the the one fifty in tears and and everything. I've been making a lot of changes. Some of them are small little tweaks, but I want I. WanNa fine tune in every day. Make sure that it's perfect. It's up-to-date based on every. We don't have a lot of news right now. I also want to make sure that it's up to date based on. testing my my convictions on players in all these drafts, and if you look at the change log at established run DOT com, you'll see a ton of changes recently within the last week or so. Yeah, that's we're gonNA talk about today. The changes that Evan has made after testing the rankings in drafts and I think you know the best way to figure out where you're at on guys is a to do a ton of research into that and like this time last year we didn't we had just. Just started the site like we were just getting into it, and so people are saying. Oh well. Why are you making changes now? Nothing's going on. We are continuing to do research. Continue to uncover new things that are going to shape the rankings by the way Yes, it's our one year anniversary. Shoutout to us. can't thank everyone enough that support. We really appreciate it as a gift. Don't forget. Go back to last week. ESTABLISHED RUN TWITTER! You'll find nice little. Hugh Jackson video a little gift. From us to you on our one year anniversary of before we get into it. Today wanted to remind everyone that the NBA National Basketball Association returns next week. Live from the bubble in Orlando DFS. Action is going to be absolutely out of control in my opinion, I. We put a ton of time and resources into the NBA product. We are launching featuring DIG Meyer featuring. Mike Gallagher. Gallagher featuring Andrew wiggins. If you're planning to play NBA, fast I, think there's going to be a really big edge. Particularly these first eight games where it's going to be a preseason almost so head to the site. Check it out just ninety nine dollars for the rest of the season including playoffs also on a separate pod fee. Do have our NBA podcast just like this one free. Do you WanNa see what's going on. Art! We are going to get into it now. They want people. They want to know what the provocation for the rankings changes at this point. We are going to explain the first one that we're talking about Aaron. Jones has flip-flopped rankings with Austin Air Jones is now ahead of Austin in the rankings and this one kind of. I don't want to be high on Aaron Jones. Who was outrageous, interpreted touchdown rate who has a coach in matlock floor? Who Played? Dion Lewis over Derrick Henry when he was in Tennessee in games last year where Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams were both healthy. The split was like sixty forty in a best case scenario for Aaron Jones. He was a smashing as he was scoring two three touchdowns in a game and obviously when Jamal Williams was hurt, he was smashing i. I will say that ESPN for an article this week. Saying that Jamal Williams could be released or traded I. Don't know about that. Though volumes only making two point one million dollars this year. I don't see why they would necessarily want to release. Maybe they've. They found a trade partner. Doubt Somebody's GonNa give them much for Jamal Williams Egypt higher urban behind them, but anyways I know I. said a lot here. What's your take on moving Aaron Jones ahead of all cynically? It's a small move it. It's not a big move neither guy change to yours. I. Just it's one of the situations where I'm drafting in I would rather have Aaron, Jones on my team right now? Then Austin Ecuador I think that the threat of AJ Dylan remains real, but not quite as real as head there been rookie minicamp in June Mandatory Minicamp, and and Ota's and you know four preseason games. You know so I think you will see a constant theme in the Change Log. In these situations where a rookie running back is entering. The competition. In a backfield competition in particular like Kerryon Johnson Marlin Max Aaron. Jones you know Damian Williams? Even Henderson. Along without cam acres. Given the veterans a little bit. Little bit of a bump up and. I think that that's a little. That has to do with. Aaron judge can catch a lot of passes to. I think he's GonNa clearly remain the packers go back when it comes to a throwing a football to the back of AJ Dylan was not a productive receiver at Boston College in everyday that he's not there with Aaron Rodgers earning Aaron Rodgers. Trust like that's that's another bump up for Aaron Jones and bump against Eiji Dylan who is not in our top one fifty. Air At that little bump. Yeah, I what I don't WanNa. Hear I. DON'T WANNA. Hear people take. Aaron Jones second or third round and then bitch. That Jamal Williams aged. Dylan are getting work. You know what I mean I don't WanNa. Hear it because you know that going in. You know that Aaron. Jones GONNA lose time to these guys. I think that jobs can still be extremely productive because he's Hashtag good and the scheme is very perfect for him, but man. I don't WanNa hear any complaining like I can't believe. Jamal Williams twelve touches in this game like yeah like that's well well well within the range of outcomes, so just as I prefer That back end of the second round is not where I wanNA. Be Drafting, which is why I know you, you send me yeah I know you sent a tweet about either one point one or just get back and I'm starting to come around on that too because when you get back there the back of the second round, it's not too pretty so now it's not. Not It's not yet and I I recently or I'm doing a an in the midst of F-, F- PC management draft. We got one point two. We were excited to get Saquon Barkley, but man it comes back in. It's like it's definitely rough at right around that tooth. Return we we. We were really lucky to actually get Erin Jones at two point eleven. because. I didn't want to take James Connor at uconn. Right, okay, let's go wide receiver Kenny Golladay up to wide receiver eleven. You previously had him as the wide receiver fourteen. He's now ahead of Odell Beckham now. Head of Mike Evans. He's now ahead of Deandre Hopkins I think. If Matthew Stafford had stayed healthy the entire year last year, nobody would bat an eye at week. I think people forget can y'all played the last eight games. Games year with David Blau and Jeff Driscoll. I am completely down to be high on Kenny. Golladay, who is still just twenty six years old, was on pace for seventy, twelve, eighty fourteen. When Matthew Stafford went down last year. There's a lot of competition with the top of the wide receivers like o'dowd deandre Hopkins. All very very good players talk to me about moving Kenny Golladay. It's not. It's not like Situation where. Anything happened. Obviously it was just. Too Low on kindergarten mckinney it. I've been a believer in Canada since he came out of college. His ADP A. F.. FCC drafts right now wide receiver seven, and we had him wide receiver fourteen, and what I did essentially split the difference. I want our audience to be in position to take day if he slips a little bit past is. And you weren't going to get them at all at wide receiver fourteen now is. She got a shot to get. I like the offense I didn't the. Sneaky stacks. Article of the Lions were one of my favorite teams to discuss. I think think that everyone but Kenny golladay is a little bit undervalued. I think I. Just WanNa make sure that we weren't way to you below consensus that we have no shots to get Kenny Golladay because he's a good, I think he is a little over value right now. but you know not not that overvalued that. We don't want to have any shots to get. Yeah! I mean so much of the made of the Ben Rothlisberger. Coming back from injury not enough is made of Matthew. Stafford coming back from injury and giving a big big boost to this offense. Let's talk about Chris Carson, rb! Nineteen from RB. Seventeen small move there, but he's now behind Melvin Gordon Behind Jonathan Taylor Chris Carson obviously coming off of the hip fracture says that he's healthy. Also add Carlos Hyde and you know I, you know. I think that was more about Reshad. Penny do not expect to be ready for the season, but we'll see. They also DJ Dallas. They do also have travis homer. Talk to me about this. Tear this little spot here with Chris Carson Melvin Gordon Jonathan Taylor. Yeah so I wanted Carson ended that tear before he was more toward the top tier, and now he's toward the end of the year. This came about when I was doing my seahawks team preview. I believe and You. Know just examining the situation with Chris Carson. He's coming off a fractured hip now. He did not require surgery on his broken hip. So that makes it sound like it's not as significant of fracture. But the SEAHAWKS didn't make moves to protect themselves against Chris Carson's health, which has been an issue in the past fumbling was a major issue for him last year they went out and they did sign Carlos Hyde and they drafted Dj Dallas in the fourth round, so they have options. I still think that. The the seahawks be writers think that he's the Chris Carson's GonNa. Come back and be the your the locked in lead back, but I think there's just a little. No, there's there's enough concern there that I. Don't WanNa have Chris. Carson ranked super aggressively I think they were either right in line or still a little bit ahead of him. From. Standpoint but I didn't WANNA be so out in front of ADP because because there are real concerns there with with Chris Carson from his backfield competition to his his health. And ideally this is not the range like the tail end of the range. I guess I would say where I'm willing to take running backs in that like round four to like round eight ranges not where I wanted to be taking back there. It's where I wanna be pounding wide receiver. So you know if these guys slip into that range. Maybe, but this is the end of it. This is where I would like. Cut it off, so it's an interesting thing to talk about, and people should definitely be thinking through where the cutoff is for them with running backs in rounds three early, round four. Okay we spend a Lotta. Time on on will four. I don't really want to get into too much, but you did move willfuller ahead, of Jarvis Landry Willfuller fuller now up to fifty fifth overall, definitely way way way ahead of ADP which obviously I like consistently get it been getting him like the seven eight, which is just egregious like the best argument against Willfuller is obviously always hurt or you know he's never done it. I just don't play fantasy. When you tell me guy hasn't done it like. Yeah, it's relevant, but I'm trying to predict what will happen this year. Not what's happened in the past like I get that. He's never had more than seven hundred yards in a season to me. That's not a real argument not to take him now. Where the situation is different, younger hopkins is gone. He comes into the year healthy so i. don't think we need to spend a lot of time here. We have me and our standard clear, willful or anything to add though a moving will all the way up to fifty fifth overall. while. His ADP has been creeping up and I WANNA. Make sure that we stay out in front of that ADP. 'cause people that are a little bit sharper starting to draft more. Also. I definitely wanted to get him ahead of Jarvis Landry. Who is coming off of hip surgery and is not necessarily a lot to be ready for week. One I mean this is sort of. This is a scary situation with regard to how you know. Kobe nineteen has affected I'm just our our knowledge of players rehabs. You know so. I KINDA WANNA start to take more of a stance against guys that are coming off surgery because a significant surgeries because we just don't know what's up and I. Don't know when we're GONNA. Get those answers I mean. I don't know when when we're going to get answers at all. With regard to guys recovers Yep yeah. We'll talk more about Jarvis Landry in a minute here. I want to move to Marquees Brown who. You, know the poll with dink and I was just shocked at the results. I cannot believe I still can't believe. People were prefer Markey's Brown. The will floor. The funniest part of the argument is that people act like Markey's Brown is not some injuries marquees. Brown is legit. Five, nine, one seven and I get the tyreek Hill has done it at that size, but man. If you look at historical calms Tyreek Hill, it's such a massive massive outlier, and I get that I have been bird. You know by outliers in a big way. You know. Odell Beckham rookie year. I guess. Derrick Henry down the stretch. Last year we'll be considered liar to these just total freaks, maybe marquees brown that, but I think the long term we profit by betting against guys being total complete freak out liars and we're going to have Mike Leoni on the podcasts soon, but even if he gives I mean we were talking to them about Mark Brown even if we give markey sprint at twenty two percent target share even. Even if you bump up the Ravens Pass volume massively. It's still hard to get marquees brown there in terms of what his ADP is, which currently sits in the sixties low seventies, so that said you move markey's roundup. He's still behind willful your brown wide receiver. Twenty nine will watterson twenty-seven feel like we haven't spent enough time this offseason yet. Getting your Marquees Brown full thoughts out there because he's clearly a pretty polarizing guy. Yeah, I mean he's. Already had delivered frank. Fracture that required surgery. He was on the injury report every week last year. You should be fully healthy in fully recovered from from all that he plays in the NFL's most run heavy offense. The Ravens were dead last in pass attempts last year I think that there's going to be severe regression It comes to Lamar Jackson's touchdown. Pass total. You know I, think he's probably. GonNa go from thirty six through thirty six passes. He led the League in passing touchdowns on the team that threw the ball the least amount in the NFL that. outlier. That is outlet right there and I think that his touchdown pass others go from thirty, six, twenty five, maybe like twenty two to twenty four somewhere in that range I mean. Nine percent touchdown rate is is obviously unsustainable. Mark Brown scored seven touchdowns last year on not not a big catch total. I mean I think he's GonNa be spiked week player I think he's a great great best while pick a thanksgiving. Be Frustrating in season long and I think when it comes to that debate, a against will fuller I. I fully side with you. And it sounded like Leoni sides with us to against stink I. Don't want. To argue with. Thank you know didn't think smartest on the planet, but. I think it will fuller has a chance to get like thirty or forty more targets then does marquees brown because of the way the Texans play. Because of that that that built in rapport that will fuller has with the Shawn Watson at the other guys in the offense do not have they've Johnson is new Randall Cobb is new brandin cooks is new. You Know Kenny stills is it looks like their fourth receiver so? I I like betting on all those factors with full willful or obviously, we know that the injury risk is there, and but you know that's that's why we're getting in the seventh-round injury risk wasn't there. Whereas will fuller go at the two three turn. Maybe I mean. I think he's probably going in the top ten among wide receivers. Yeah, yeah, for sure, and it's just comical that people think markey's Brown is not an injury risk Yeah I. Think we're in agreement there. Okay, let's get to somewhere or maybe we aren't. In agreement is much. Devante Freeman you move up from rb. Seventy one to rb. Fifty one and say you know in in your notes that if you tamper or Philly or San Francisco his ADP going to store. Maybe it will I'm not sure that this devante Freeman is better than Boston Scott like if he signs in Philly. Do we really think he's better than Boston? Scott I'm not sure you currently have Boston Scott, rb. Forty four obviously, Mile Sanders Boston's Scott devante Freeman all aren't going to pay off at that price. It's a hedge if devante freeman ends up getting signed. So, we'll see where devante freeman ends up. You know he claimed that or I think the bucks clean, they couldn't afford. devante Freeman Devante. Freeman shot back that they didn't even get in touch with them. They don't know how much he caused any talk to them, so it's kind of a weird thing. Do you think Devante Freeman ends up signing somewhere and you'd think he'd actually take a role from someone like Boston Scott. I wouldn't disagree that Boston Scott, as he has just a chance to be effective as devante Freeman in twenty twenty. You know but Boston's Scott also is a big special teams player in. I think that if the eagles were signed Devante Freeman, he would be like the clear cut number two back in then. If Mile Sanders were to go down, there would be some sort of a committee. Just, RB seventy one was just way too low to have devante Freeman I. do think that he's likely to to find a home and I think that there are a lot of scenarios where it could be. Beneficial home whether it be. San Francisco with this regime, Oester trade demand going on or You know in Jerick. Mckinnon health being uncertain in Tampa Bay you know what if I? Would have. Tom Brady says you know I. Don't trust Keyshawn, involved or a Ronald Jones. We need to bring in a veteran than I. Trust in. You know Devante Freeman just finds his way onto the field there and then. He's got the history with with cow Shane in San Francisco as well so. I i. mean once he gets signed his. is going. Skyrocketing and I just wanted to be a little bit ahead of that I think he's like a fine like thirteenth round. Pick right now in F. E. C.. Because I you know I. I do think that there's a chance of a factor in offer some flex von. Yeah I do want to make a point that I really hope you guys are using our rankings and uploading them into your draft athletes. I mean it makes such a huge difference if you drafting off of your own rankings. Or rankings that we provide for you versus the what's in there in the Appalachian devante Freeman I mean it's not even like in their. He's barely been listed in some the applets that I've seen. We do have rankings up for almost every format imaginable. Okay I don't WanNA spend a lot of time this. Damien Williams we've we've talked playing with millions about would say on the last episode and talking about rookies and cluttered Solaire skeptical that he will come out of the gate firing with a big role. You Move Damien Williams up from rb. Thirty two RB twenty five just quickly. I I think everybody knows the stance here that rookies struggle out of gate. I don't think we need to talk about it. Too much more I mean. Damn good player. And the chiefs of trust them to pass block. He's one of the best buell route runners in the league. He certainly can get the job done as a rusher knows the offense. His ADP is I mean is has been going up and deservedly so might have to move them up even further. Because I want him on on our teams this year. I want him as a six seven eighth round. Pick are even. Get Him in the eighth round. Anymore I'm not. He's going in the six and the seventh round in dress. He's creeping into that Kareem Hunt Range I like both of those guys it as picks in like the sixth or seventh round. If I go running back there I think they both have chances for standalone value art. Let's move to this Kevin Coleman situation, and yeah, another one of my favorite kind of arbitrage leader round R, b picks actually disagree a little bit with you, and the only that I would even take remote earned in the sixth round, and I know his ADP fast in the wake of the trade demand. Are you got him in the seventh? Which I think is okay value, but in the six. Six, I, definitely would be out on he moster. I just don't think it's crazy at all. Like well within the range of outcomes that Coleman actually finishes the year with more touches than brother hime, and so you now moved having Coleman from rb. Thirty eight RB thirty three seven Coleman now ahead of Marlon, MAC ahead and tolling Tony powered ahead of Kerryon Johnson is not that we think having Coleman is good i. think it's clear that the the market thinks they're so sure that brother Ahim is that much ahead of ten Coleman Opportunity when I. Don't think that's the reality talked to people about seven colon. Just summed it up perfectly as what I did in in change here. Is that just moved them? So they're almost right next to each other I. think there may be one or two packs pots art. They're now. They're really really close in. That's where they belong because. The forty niners beat writers that they're gonNA share carries evenly. I tend to side with the take that. You know when we had on the show. He thinks that Ronnie. Mozart is just way better than seven. And I mean I tend to side with that I? Don't think the kyle sharing things that you know I think. The Kyle Shanahan has always had this major entity or coleman and Tevin Coleman played Way Out in front of. Regime Oyster whenever Kevin Coleman was healthy, which wasn't very often last season. He had the high ankle. Sprain is coming back from that He most your situation is interesting, because yes, willing to take him in the seventh round I took him as rb four in FFA main event behind Saquon. Aaron Jones and James Caan. And, that's that's a format where you start to flex spots into running back spot, so hoarding running backs is never a bad idea in that format, and that's what we're trying to do by taking where he moser with. But If they again. The the trade demand is a fallout from. Rahim search representation wanting. To be paid in line with Kevin Coleman, which is an entirely reasonable. Request and I think that at the end of the day the forty niners might just pay him I. Mean I think they probably should even even if even if not gonNa lead the backfield touches, he so good on special teams, and he's such a good resort, just a good football player. And, then if they do pay him, his Scott, his ADP is going to skyrocket and he's GonNa start going. In the late third map I if that that could happen so I think right now is the time to draft for he moster. That window begins around the six seven turn Kia. He's asking for like one point. Five million, which I know is a ton of money, but like for the forty niners pocket change I'd be shocked if they couldn't find one point five million for player that I think brings value to their teams, so I agree with you that I will figure something out. They're not gonNA. Get traded like that's I. Mean That's just not happening okay. Let's talk about the rams running backs me. I'm talking about about this by the way Brandon Thorn released his offensive line rankings today today's Monday I think one of the most valuable piece that we have in the draft kit last year and this year this year Brennan Thorndale did add pad defensive line pass rush rankings, also rams checking with number twenty seven offensive line Brandon's rankings. I mean it's. It's a major concern, also much concern for Gerald Henderson. WAS THIS SCHEME FIT? Which I know you've talked about where we're not sure that they're all. Henderson is the right scheme fit, but I assume that the move here moving. Daryl hands from RB FORTY ONE RB thirty seven is just a reflection of wanting to be lower on camakers in therefore Dera Henderson almost has to come up right. Yes nothing. And this was a zone running team when Todd Gurley was the main back Dale. Henderson is Berkeley to Memphis of course he is. A gap runner, and Cam as is a gap runner, too, so the fact that they that the rams drafted cam acres suggest that they are going to move a little bit away from there's online game and move toward more toward a gap running scheme and I think that can work to the benefit of Gerald Henderson for sure I thought that in in his opportunities Darrow Henderson didn't embarrass himself. Last year and it was just it was just really really slow rookie season for him at least partly due to the schematic changes that he was having to. You know he's having to learning entirely different. Offense than in what he played at Memphis so now he he shouldn't be having to do that anymore. He's got the year in the system. Camakers does not again you know, I think that every day that these rookies who've just spent no time with their quarterback, snip no time with the coach Zoom conferences in facetime. they're falling behind every day I. think that veterans are gaining a little bit more momentum everyday. I'm going to skip over Zach Moss because you can go back to the episode to hear me just lay the would to begin in the most decisive debate of the entire show I just iced on the Zach Moss. Debate, go back and listen to that evidence moved up from rb. Forty five rb forty. I WanNa get to Curtis Samuel that we haven't talked about this very much criticism. I thought you made a good point in the change log a about so many clear out routes that courtesy ran last year so many areas from Kyle Allen and they just didn't meet anything because the routes were so low percentage yet, Kylie throwing to them, it was just not. Not Going to work I think we could see Robbie. Anderson assume a lot of those clear. Our roles like you mentioned just create a different route Chery for courtesy Emma Joe. Brady Guy who I think knows how to put his playmakers in a winning position so I do want to be higher than market on Curtis Samuel like fourteen fifteen, th round I've been auto clicking courtesy. You moved them up from wide receiver fifty three to wide receiver fifty. Yeah he and he's a guy that drafting you know, have started to draft him, maybe even a little earlier than that in the twelfth and thirteenth. Round no returning panthers receiver played in the slot more than Curtis. Samuel did last year and I. think that you can envision offense where Curtis Samuel is the slot receiver end sort of the gadget. Guy. And you know running jet sweeps, and that sort of thing and then Dj more like the the flanker you know like the hines ward that run after catch Stud and then Robbie Anderson is the clear out guy. That's Curtis Samuel was last year and I think the Robbie Anderson just ends of like a role player Teddy. Bridgewater historically does not have a high. He's not really a you know a truly. He's not a true vertical passer. and I think that that would bode well for Curtis Samuel, who ran just very low percentage routes all last year all the sudden. I think that we could start to see him. You know they the. Manufacturer ways to get the ball in his hands because he's a, he's another great run after catch receiver, really really dynamic with the ball in his hands, just didn't get the ball in his hands last year, and they will issue, or at least I think that there's a decent enough. To be willing to take her to Samuel. As like my wide receiver, five and the twelfth. Thirteenth round easy he maintains big upside. He's gotten better every year. I know that. A lot of people were hoping for more production than last year, but I'm his production continually has gone up so I. I think that he's I think he's a an excellent like wide receiver five. I mean in these large field season-long tournaments. If you get the one point one, you can start Christian McCaffrey and then it's so cheap toge- bridgewater courtesy meal, Ian Thomas Tax to go with it like men and I know you talked about that. One is stinky stacks. It's like God. It's just so cheap, but the key is. You have to start with the one point one get Christian. McCaffrey and they're obviously okay. This one's GonNa open some eyes and this went opened is for me. You dropped Hayden hearst all the way down to tight and seventeen. I've Seen Hayden hers. Going is like the title nine. Sometimes I seen people. Take Hayden Hurston like the F. FCC draft that we. We did which is in the draft kit where we record ourselves doing the F. FCC three fifty drop hidden hurts win in like the fifth or sixth around or something totally insane. You now have Hayden hers behind to Hopkinson who I like having behind. Dowse her behind Mike. Just thinking I. Know You don't like, but I like behind you and Thomas Yeah. I'm behind Noah Fan. I like all those guys. I just think and I don't really have a huge take on Hayden, hers, other than there's so many vacated targets with Moceanu and Austin Hooper gone on I assume that this has something to do with Haight in hers, not being there for off-season coming in as a free agent. Yeah definitely I mean he's just. He's purely a projection. Even if there had been many camping in as and everything, I mean he still would have had to learning a new offense. We still don't really know about him. Like how good is he He was tenth among tight ends in eleven. Among tight ends in route run last year, but I mean he wasn't playing not much He was a first round pick though I remember thinking like. I watched him in college and it was like Oh. WHO's GonNa? Be An interesting with third or fourth round pick. He goes into first round You know he technically couldn't get on the field ahead. Of Nick, boil in Baltimore I understand there are different styles, players, but And then yeah, I mean having to pick up new off season or a new offense overseen conferences based on. I think that's difficult. The change looks really big When you when you look at it going from what tight end eleven or whatever? He was too tight end seventeen. He's still in that same year. You did not move out of tier that here as as I wrote in tears column. Is a great testament to the depth of the Titan. This year in. In many years in the past people have talked about the tight end position, being or the death of the tight end position being like fools. Gold I'm not so sure about that. You just read off a bunch of really interesting names Noah. fant was is a guy that I'm. He explored this year. A lot of people like Mike just sixty and I get it to some extent. Like Darwin is a guy that deserves move eric. Brown can score eight touchdowns. No problem with the steelers. I could go on and on about these guys. So he did not move out of cheer, but he is now a guy that we probably are not going to be getting in our drafts and I'm okay with that because I like no better I like Thomas Better. Electricity better. Than Hayden verse, Yeah I, think the difference. When this year's late round tight end class is ridiculous. Athletes Tj Hopkinson Mike just he and Thomas. No Fan even Chris Herndon I mean. These guys are outrageous athletes, and then we throw goddard and blink jar. Wayne into the mix, an E. Bryan, as you mentioned like you have some serious upsides, so yeah. I have no problem being low on Hayden. Hers whatsoever and in these best ball drafts I've actually been just trying to take three late round. Guys like give me just sticky. Hopkinson and fans or give me you know Darwin Thomas, and and Hopkinson or something like that and I like doing it that way. Because I think one of them is going to really at least one of them is going to find a way to a really big season. Okay pretty clear, cut one here, removing Justin Jefferson from the top one fifty doesn't Jefferson is in extreme run first offense as a rookie dealing with target competition from Adam Phelan and the tight ends. Pretty simple removing Jefferson I soon. Yeah. And Liking Irv Smith a little bit more to. As sort of banking on Herbs Smith maybe. Bill in some of that. The what Stefan digs is leaving behind in not not as much from Jefferson again. Being a rookie in this sort of climate is is not going to help him. What's his upside really? The rookie number two receiver on a run first team. He's probably not going to make a difference in your one. Okay. Here's one we disagree on for sure you continue to be higher than market on Cam Newton now. You Have Cam Newton all the way up at qb twelve. My concerns with Cam Newton are I. Know you're not as worried about the injuries. We're still talking about a Liz. Frank Injury, a rotator cuff injury on a quarterback who has derived a lot of value from rushing. We're also talking about a guy with like zero tight ends in the past. Maybe think the rookies can do something I doubted. He has an unproven to kill. Harry has cleared number. Number three in most new his thirty four year old Julian, Edelman he's also on team with one of the NFL's best defenses, a team that I don't think he's going to get into really any wild shootouts this year. from a game environment perspective from an injury are risk perspective from weaponry perspective. I'm just not on Cam. Newton at all so I moving up to twelve for me. Is? Significantly too high in my opinion and I know people love. You wanted to say egregious. It's it's. It's not something I would do. And I also yeah, I mean. It's not something I would do and and I'll tell you what I would do. I'd much rather wait and just get teddy bridgewater for free, then Take Cam Newton as qb twelve, but anyway go ahead on Cam Newton why the big jump Oh, it's a personal preference thing having to deal. You know having to be willing to embrace the risk of Cam Newton I. Mean Look at the guys around him. No, this is why I didn't feel bad doing this. Is because so here's here's. Why move them ahead of Daniel Jumps. We. We can't use them in the first three weeks of the season. You know because of the schedule. We literally can't use them. I do think he's going to be a by after that is as I wrote about a sneaky stacks. Ben Rothlisberger. How much do you trust his health? Tom Brady he's got a brutal schedule is well in the first five games where there's only one week in this first five where I would even want to use Tom. Brady adds nothing with his legs. Baker Mayfield I think you know the name of the game and he's GonNa lack volume this year. I think he's GonNa lack volume I think he's going to be more efficient, but he's going to lack fall, so those are the guys that I moved Cam ahead of and I. Don't feel bad about having him ahead of any of those guys So you know you have to embrace risk? You have to embrace the the durability, Escott and for some people. They're just not gonNA. Do this you. They're not gonNA. Take Cam Newton to be their starting quarterback in fantasy football, and that's fine But I I think the is absolutely there for Cam Newton to. Not even just finished within the top twelve, which we're having now, but to be a top five quarterback. Everything breaks right for him. The offensive line is going to be stellar in New England and this is going to be the best play calling of his career under Josh. Yeah I mean for sure. Big Coaching bump. I'm glad that you left Cham Behind Matthew Stafford, though because Matthew Stafford's just GonNa Smash Cam Newton in opinion points, are Chris Herndon We talked about late ride late round tight ends the only thing you can knock on Chris Herndon really is that Adam gaze just dust, everyone but I like trying to be higher than market on Herndon had a thirty, nine, five, zero, two four season as A. A rookie and like it doesn't sound like much for rookie. Tight end. That is really really solid I, do think Sam Darnold is a little bit better than maybe the public consensus is, and if you could get away from Adam Gaze, maybe even better coaching concerns, but yeah you know you moved Chris Herndon. Above jacked will and for upside, and I couldn't agree more that Chris. Earnings upside is just I. Mean You can't even compared to Jack Doyle's. I wish I could put herndon higher I would like to have him at like titan thirteen tight and fourteen is just that I can't trust this donkey coaching and. you know they, Ryan Griffin wasn't bad in role than they gave extension after the season, and if they try to split time with Herndon and Ryan Griffin I. Mean that was one of the great things about? Really the last two years with the jets, tight ends relatively speaking mean, Ryan. Griffin didn't chair the cover off or anything like that, but they were out there, playing as full-time players, and so is Herndon GonNa. Come back and be a full-time player. I. Don't know I mean he's caught one pass during the Adam gays regime. You know what what kind of Adam cases a like. He plays favorites with players in. So that's a little bit sky wish I could put Chris in higher because I I definitely believe in talent. He's also a guy that has a built-in report with Sam darnold because of their production in two thousand eighteen, and there's not a lot of other guys on the jets outside Jamison crowder that have that built-in report. Their changed out of the perimeter receiver. Perryman Denzel MEME, so I don't know. Maybe I'll talk myself into move Chris earning up higher, but I'm he's. He's right now in in a spot where you can get them if you're using the rankings, yeah, one thing I'm disappointed. Joke a lot about preseason, and obviously we love preseason DFS, but the thing that I'm most disappointing is like we don't get to see the usage like we don't get to see if Chris. HERNDON IS GONNA be rotating with Ryan Griffin, or or what their plans is, and you know there's probably right now i. think the latest reporters either GonNa. Be One or zero preseason games this year and I mean it just means we're GONNA. Fly Come in. In flying even more blind, and I think we need to be even more ready than usual after week one to be aggressive on the waiver and be willing to cut guys and move on, and just you know not hesitate like. Don't be paralyzed by well Chris her did only played fifty percent. It's nice, but he played well. Maybe play a hundred next week. It's like God. We're just GONNA. Have to be willing to just just move on. At some point. Yeah that's that's been a competitive advantage for us over the years is being able to put that magnifying. Everybody says Oh. preseason doesn't matter. Ignore it. You know you're putting the magnifying glass on. The the rotations and you know who's WHO's in there with Tom, Brady Group, and we were able to get a competitive advantage from that. It looks like we're not gonNA. Have that advantage this year? Yep said. Okay. We haven't talked about the Calvin. Harmon injury and I think. It'll just be brushed under the rug for a lot of people for hardcore people. I think the Calvin Harm. Injury is somewhat significant you terry maclaurin up from wide receiver, nineteen to wide receiver seventeen. I mean woeful secondary in Washington, total funnel defense. Pathetic I zero target competition determine maclaurin obvious shower narrative with dwayne. Haskins so I. Think everybody's high on Terry, maclaurin. Who's paying attention right now? I was a little surprised. You didn't get Steve. Simms your top one fifty, though considering he had been there before. I remove Kelvin. Talking about what's going on with Washington with Harmon now, Don ACL tear. Yes that the biggest beneficiary actually I think is in Tonio Gandhi Golden Rookie out of I think Temple Liberty Liberty Liberty Liberty yes, And he now has a chance to maybe be a starter. In Washington and just jump right into that Kelvin harmon role, but yet McLean is a guy that we were already ahead of eighty peon, and I just wanted to make sure that we were standing there. You know because we want teams this year. He's got like a hundred and fifty target upside. He's got the shower narrative with Dwayne Haskins. He's he's an explosive electrifying game-breaker and You know people are going. You might get double teamed like this is. This is a game about targets, and he has a chance at just a ton of targets, maybe finished top five in the NFL targets or something like that I mean I. I've been looking at like. Can I move him up any higher? Because? I know it's tough to move ahead. Aj love Aj Brown you know, and then we're getting Dj more and Mike. Evans territory. It's tough, but yet we're several spots ahead of ADP on McLaren and I'm GonNa do whatever I possibly can to make sure that we stay. That way I like Antonio Gandhi golden when I did that. What a elite looks like for Measuring Perspective Antonio Gandhi golden fit that it's just hard for me to see a rookie from liberty with relatively low draft capital like actually having a year one impact in the year of not as you know so I, don't know. I. Want to be high on again goal in just it would be. A outline surprised me if he was able to contribute in your one. Get Talk About Steve Simms. It sort of helps the job security four Stevenson's. Steven Sims the Slough Receiver Kelvin. Harmon was almost strictly outside receiver. Last year Stephen Sam's needs to still hold off Trey Quinn. This is going to be an opportunity. I don't think either them is like you know a great great talent, but. The opportunity is going to be there I think for Steven Sims to be a guy that catches four or five ball game yet. His like his touchdown scoring down the stretch last year was a mirage but I think that yeah I. Mean it helps his job security. I mean if you're doing any kind of target projection. You're going to end up with Steven Sims. Showing a bunch of targets relative to ADP is what it is. I don't think they're very valuable targets, but there's still a bunch of targets considering he's like free. Okay. We spent so much time on Josh Allen. I don't really want to spend much time on Josh Down I. Do find it funny though that so many people are like you're like the Josh Allen Mvp guy now and like you were the Josh, Allen. Mvp Guy when he was eighty two one now he's fifty to one and people just like brushed that off. They're like Oh. Yeah I'd just. Just Buy Josh. Allen was just fired off any price. Like come on, guys. We can be a little bit more price sensitive. There's there's a big difference between eighty one and fifty to one, but anyways job Josh Allen Behind Deshaun, Watson, behind Russ Wilson. I'm totally fine with that. I think it safer for sure. I mean the floor onto Shawn Watson. Russell is for sure better than Josh Allen. Yes You're getting into these drafts that cost two thousand dollars to enter like. I'M NOT GONNA take over to Shawn Watson Russell Wilson and so I had to move him down. Just just to I don't. WanNa be disingenuous about this. Is. When you have like serious more money on the line and he has to make a tough decision That's important to me, and and so I moved Josh down to a quarterback six. He's still he's in that tier. He's still in the same tier. Any goes about two rounds later. in some cases like three and four rounds later than than the other guys so I. I still think he's an excellent values. Probably the best value pick in that tears got a high for. He's got a very very high ceiling. I think he belongs in that. I still have them ahead of Kyle Murray. Who I. Think is being a little bit overdressed. Okay, let's stick on the cardinals here. You continue to be lower way lower than market on John Jay Hopkins down to wide receiver fourteen. Now I mean some people are going to have the Dropkin wide receiver, four or like wide receiver five and you I'm wide receiver fourteen behind del behind Mike. Evans I think the. To me like obviously changing teams for veteran is historically awful and also incur age. It's not good to me going to a team that plays a ton of three and four wide sets. scares me. Also like what you see. When team is run, a ton of three and four is Tara shares just get flattened. It's not like it is winning. Team runs just to receiver sets. You know exactly where the ball is. GonNa get to. You could see games. Games where Christian Kirk goes off for twelve targets or something like that you know, and you just wouldn't see that with a number three wide receiver getting that kind of work on a lot of teams, but I do think that Arizona will play among the most three and four wide sets in the entire, league but yeah, the under Hopkins down to wide receiver fourteen nothing new here. You just want to be lower than market on him I think. I don't want under Hopkins my teams this year he is, he averaged one hundred fifty targets year for five years in Houston and I think it would be an accomplishment if he were able to get to one thirty this year. He's got no. Chemistry with anybody in the organization from the head coach of the quarterback yet. I think he's GonNa. Run lower percentage routes than he did in Houston. He's GonNa. Be on the perimeter like the time I think in Arizona and that's it. It's just gonNA. Take some getting used to. Maybe we'll have a better back half of the season. I think he I think he might start slow. You know it's it's. It's a situation that I really really WANNA. Avoid in I think that people are just assuming that he's GonNa Maintain. league-leading volume in Arizona this. This team was at its best running the football. As you? They're going to do what's best for the team and I don't think that pushing one hundred fifty targets to gender, Hopkins is GonNa end up being what what's best for the seat. Yeah, I think that the air raid that that could kingsbury is gonNA throw the ball on every single play. That's not what that's not what's going to happen as I've said they were one of the best most efficient rushing teams in the league last year our last thing we want to hit on real quickly dropping Jarvis Landry dental wide receiver thirty-one. Evan already alluded to it. I think one of the better arguments for Jarvis Landry is. Hey, this is going to be in too wide I mean I I mentioned three and four wide for the cardinals. I think the browns could lead the NFL. NFL In too wide receiver sets, and that obviously pushes a better target share towards Odell towards Jarvis Landry, but we do have injury concerns and has have instead. We don't even know what the status is of Jarvis Landry I think if we get a better health report on him. I'm willing to be reasonably high on Jarvis Landry, but he's always going to be. I think a better DFS play especially in cash than you will be season-long play where we atwood with Jarvis Landry. We are still above ADP Jarvis Landry. He's a guy that is consistently in my range when when drafting. I still like him. Wide Receiver three is just. I think we're a little bit too bullish on him with the injury recovery Yep I. Can a little bit. All right we have said it all lot of changes. Coming through as Evan starts to reach peak draft season. We are all getting into Pete draft season very excited. We do have an action packed schedule on the podcast this. We'll be back with Ross Tucker later this week. Former NFL office of Lyman Evans former partner on the fantasy fees Super Smart Guy can't wait to talk to him. Also will have the CO founder. Founder of underdog, the new Best Ball site We'll have Jeremy Levine on the podcast later this week also also talked to Brandon Soon Brennan Thorn about his offensive line and demons line rankings. Appreciate it if you guys could drop review, let us know what we're doing well what you would like to see more of what you'd like to see less of here on the podcast, so for Ebben four producer Luke. I am Adam. Good luck, everybody.

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Will Brinson

The Bill Barnwell Show

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Will Brinson

"Ally. Welcome to the goal Barnwell show. Bill Barnwell ESPN the NFL draft finally finished don't what the draft goal. Everyone's drafted a whole bunch of players well except for a team or two which and that have any draft picks. But the draft is over at this point most of the freedoms have been signed the player acquisition window of March and April is basically John as we are here on April twenty ninth two thousand nineteen stay we're going to sit here and talk about the first round of the NFL draft. And joining me to do that a friend of the show who is playing through pain today. Someone who suffered. I believe the only media injury during the NFL draft in Nashville, and that is our friend from CBS will Princeton will how are you feeling? I feeling well Bill feeling feeling fine. I'm not gonna lie. Wonderful. It is nice to have the draft in the rear view mirror. We can sort of. As NFL analysts look forward to the future. Unfortunately, my wife is where the the NFL like work is there longer viable excuse for for for a lot of things. So a little on that front as far as the actual injury is concerned. I feeling surprisingly great. There's no permanent damage to my face. I'm gonna have to figure out how to get stitches out of my I at some point. I'm not really worried about that. We're leaving for DisneyWorld on Monday. So so that's that's exciting. But no ill after a fax though cussin' like symptoms. No, upper body injuries outside of just one slice of a thick thick cut on my eyebrow. That apparently isn't is not even gonna be noticeable and maybe even a short as a few weeks. I appreciate you mentioned that you're going to Disney Disney. Disney podcast. Thank you for supporting the mouse. I'm hoping some some shadowy ESPN figure boss of yours. Email like, oh, cool. You wanna free fast past here? This is for your set you up on the monthly contractual bardwell. Pod. One free fast pass to it's a small world or something. I have some bad news for you. Well, as the proprietor of the Bill Barnwell show has to do is show every week. I don't get a free monthly fast pass. Unfortunately that is shame. But number two, do you want to get into how you were injured at the NFL draft. Yeah. So bird scooters are apparently he primary method of transportation lime lift whatever, you know, they have they have a million different of them. I don't even know if they're big in DC or New York still I I would presume that the arbiter Nashville Nashville is littered with these scooters. I mean, I would say that at any given moment I can look at my hotel window and spot somewhere between seventeen and fifty of them, and it it's sixty percent bird scooters, forty percent party buses thirty percent drunk and trolley rides. You know, and then like at one percent of the humans are actually walking. Well, I was going to interview Devon white at a one of those pre pre draft interview things like broader P and G year old spice for somebody. And I I got dropped off at six street by the Bridgestone arena instead of six avenue and needed to get over there in a short span. So instead of walking a little warm, and they wanna be sweating. I got in there. I grabbed a bird scooter written before rally in Atlanta at the Super Bowl in Jill, comfortable on them and took off to the interview. I ride it fine the interview, and and then you're interviewing was really crowded on there. So trying to get away from the streets was sort of blocked off and crowded find Uber to get back to my work to see my folks at work. I grabbed another bird to clear some space and going down down hill street near there right near the public library in Nashville. And and I see this car comes flying out to my left out of this parking garage. I jerked to the right, y'all. Some mean things that jerk back to the left to try to get back on the sidewalk and off the street and Ashwell has a lot of sidewalk ramps that are not congruent with the pavement of the street itself. There's like a ledge I didn't realize it that we will catch his alleged throws. We over the scooter I land on my wrist. I'm trying to hit my save my the moneymaker from. And the pavement my book back rolls over the top of it. And I pick a secondary bounce onto the pavement. And at that point. I believe that I smacked my head against the pavement or smack my sunglasses between the head and the pavement, and it created this giant laceration on my head. And I and that's where the the heavy blood and the stitches came off did any bachelorette parties witnesses. No. But I did interview multiple best at parties of Friday night, along with my colleague, John breach. Have you? Did you see that video that we put out there? Hard hitting journalism. Somebody's gotta do it. Somebody's gotta get there. Take those two healer shots on the party bus the bachelorette parties and that also explain to I don't I don't feel fantastic. The bachelor party buses didn't help. But yeah, we, you know, working out pretty well got stitches and was able to, you know, still go out and create viral video content and do three days of NFL draft coverage on CBS sports HQ and do a podcast every day, pick fix podcasts that people can subscribe to download and listen to if they don't feel like, you know, weekly podcast is enough NFL contents daily for me as well. Normally we would not allow our guest plugged before the flex of the show. You're an exception from playing hurt Mr. Princeton. We always, of course, appreciate you coming on the show, and I'm happy you are doing relatively. Well, obviously, not not you're not perhaps, your usual. Soften terms. Bill could be I could be short two or three teeth based on how I landed. And so that's awesome. I will say it was a little odd. Like, I was standing I gathered my pride and scurried around a quarter of the scooter it's sort of set it apart, and like just trying to shut it down on the app and didn't really know what I was doing and gushing blood out of my head. I keep touching. Both. My arms are covered in blood. I finally grabbed a t shirt that I am extra t shirt I had in my bag, thankfully to hold up against the wound. And like not one person stopped. It was like, hey, or are you all right guy in the streets, who's bleeding, which I I don't know that says more about humanity or just Nashville as a whole that. They just don't even flinch when guys gushing blood in the middle of the street. I it was it was very that part was a little but. But certainly, you know, it could have been much much worse. Well, I mean, I I don't wanna despair I was not in Nashville. So I cannot despair the people of Nashville I mean, just based on peer serotypes, they could have rubbed some hot chicken on it. I don't think you would have appreciated that about bachelor party. Of. I mean, that's that's the vibe you get from that city. Yes. I have someone who lives in Las Vegas. I feel like it might be very similar to to that five of just I'm going to move on and keep drinking here. But it's like overall outside of the the injury. It seems like national was a very fun experience for the NFL track. No there. Yeah. It was awesome. I'm the setup is perfect. You've felt it is it is a party city. There were tons of bachelorette parties, you could go to all the different sections of town where the draft wasn't. And it was still a raging party throughout most of the week and five even when you landed just like it wasn't like the opposite of the Super Bowl in New York. Right. Where you got there in what's what's superbowl's here? Who cares? Nobody cares. New york. Now too big for the city. It was like, oh, cool. Another party yet jump on in the waters feeling fine. And everybody hang out. There was no point that if you like anybody was slowing down. We we had a record a podcast audio issues that we reported on Thursday night. Right. And so we had to go over on Friday morning every recorded and there were like open air duck boats and open air party barges Carini by blasting music with people like chugging beer at nine AM central time. I mean, nobody flinched I ran into your colleague trae WinCo at some point in the streets of national, and he and he he's been doing this for a long time. And he remarks how just unbelievable the city was and how great it was. And you know, you could walk everywhere. The weather is nice and warm. The people are friendly, and it all it all sounds like all the energy funnel towards Broadway where the draft was being taking place, and you could sense it in the streets when you were walking around just everything was funneling there. So I it's hard to explain a really really cool steam. I mean, I love actual. I'm it sounds really awesome. Let me ask you this will get to the draft here for this question. Are you willing only prefaces saying, you know, where the draft is next year? Isn't I believe he's thinking lost vodka? Yes. Are you willing to consider a one year anniversary parade of bird scooters in Las Vegas that you will lead when you're from now as a way to show that you are not permanently scarred. By by your accident in Nashville. I firmly believe Bill that when the Los Angeles chargers thirty second pick in the two thousand and twenty NFL draft that I should be brought onstage with a bird scooter at a chargers draft Pat to announce it that you don't either dania Tomlinson. You don't need Dan Fouts. You don't need any of these former chargers legends you need Wilburton. To celebrate his one year anniversary of the bird scooter accident into to announce the chargers draft pick. They win the Super Bowl is one of the primary leaders of the chargers bandwagon. I think you deserve that. However. Or you me, Greg Rosenthal. Mike clay, Meena calms. We could all we chargers hive and all right? A parade of birds scooters onto the draft and announce it in unison. Altogether, one as one big band wagon. All right. Well, let's get to talking about Cuyler Murray and the rest of the top of the NFL draft in a moment. But first, let's talk about our friends at seek. And of course, will I'm assuming is a Sikh user. I know myself whenever I'm going somewhere. One of the first things I do is. I hop on seek see if there's any games for the time. I'm going to be there, and I go and I purchased tickets for that event on seek and the good thing is I like checking up sports, if you're not a sports fan of a little confused as to why you're listening to the Bill Barnwell show, which is mostly sports content. But good news. There is stuff that is not sports available on seeking you can get tickets for comedy. You can get tickets for plays. 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Now back to the show the cardinals bandwagon at a very early pick this year, they had the first overall pick in the NFL draft. And we'll start our coverage there because that was Cuyler Murray. And I mean, obviously there had been a tone of rumors after the fact we've seen I read in Peter king's columnist week that even. Recently early April the cardinals we're not sure who they were going to take with the first overall pick. But it was Cuyler Murray. Are you were you surprised at all it was the actual pick when it happened? And is the guy you'd think you would have chosen if you were Steve coming Kingsbury at number one. Yeah. You know, how many months of intrigue surrounding this turned out to be just fall, you know, any any of the build up turned out to be false. I would say the Intel that Pete Prisco had causing him to believe that it would be somebody other than kind of readers, pretty good. And I bought it when my colleague was selling and turned out to be wrong. And I have pretty good knowledge of what is Intel was, and it was a very viable very viable belief that they're going to different direction. They ultimately ended up going with Cuyler. I am curious as to what percent of the pick was made. And I know that Steve kind and cliff Kingsbury spoke openly and candidly with Peter King. And he published that story on a Monday. I am curious Bill like what percentage like what percent is ownership matter in this pick. And I think that could be said to save for the giants which will get to in a minute as well. But yeah, I mean, look if I get it. I get the sides of this deal. I understand one. Why if you believe Cuyler Murray is the quarterback, and he is the guy, and he is the guy that will make cliff Kingsbury successful. Then you have to go all. In on it. You can't take half measures. When you make a drastic shift in your coaching staff the way they did to go from Steve kind Steve Wilks to to cliff Kingsbury. And so for that perspective. I understand giving Kylie Murray. I you know, if you think that he's best fit to run that offense. And then you should do it. I I actually applaud the cardinals for getting a second round pick and return for Josh Rosen. I think it was more than what many of us thought they'd be able to get return. I don't think they handled the process. Well, I don't I don't think the lead up to it was necessary clearly using a top ten pick on a quarterback two years in a row is bad process. And I think that they really mishandled it in terms of just human being interaction with with Josh Rosen. I mean, if they knew all along it was kind of Murray, they didn't need to tweet out Josh guy and do all this do all this subterfuge. And all of that. I it's a disservice to a guy who handled it really classy manner and Josh Rosen as far as what I would do. I would I would have preferred the combination of. Of Josh Rosen, plus Nick person or Quinton Williams to the combination of Mary and Andy Isabella, which is basically what what you're talking about. So I I would still ride with Rosen and I'm rooting for the dolphins now a little bit. But I can I can see the side of how the cardinals and overall, you know, if you're if your time, and you're going to do what he did and take color Murray. One you need to back it up with a pretty good draft the rest of the way, and he absolutely knocked it out of the park. Andy Isabela keen Butler. Byron Murphy the top around to really good job by the cardinals to to inject that offense with a lot of life. It's not hard to imagine. I don't think they'll be the two thousand seventeen Rams or two thousand eighteen bears. But I can see them being a lot better than people expected at least entertaining on offense. Yeah. I mean, you know, obviously had some help in the secondary. With Murphy sign Robert offered wimp skeptical of, but you know, at least upgraded who they had cornerback across from Patrick Peterson last year. And then like you mentioned a bunch of weapons that receiver to play alongside Larry FitzGerald. And Christian Kirk four cliff Kingsbury in that that area offense. And I think when it comes to Murray whether it was and whether it was Murray, I think that offense to your point is going to be a lot better quicker than other people are suggesting just because it's not going to be an offense that's going to be built upon complexity Cuyler Murray. I brought this up when I chord of the video for ESPN. He doesn't have to learn a four hundred plates payback, he's a forty page payback. Yesler an eight forty play play. I mean, it really is going to be about taking simple concepts and dressing them up, and and making them work, and it's going to play these strings, he he's not going to be someone who, you know. He doesn't have to be someone learn in. But I can't I'm not saying anything against him as a player just that. You know, he's not gonna have to worry about that sort of complexity early in his career. He's going to be able to sort of play to his strengths play to, you know, play to things that people may be haven't seen before when it comes to that offense. So I think they could be an offense. That's better a lot quicker than maybe your typical offense with a rookie quarterback where even someone like Baker Mayfield. But he was great. He was really great during the second half of the season after Freddie kitchens was what was promoted and they would from Todd Haley, he was, you know, decent certainly when he first took over, but was more inconsistent than he was during the second half of the campaign. An in terms of Rosen were you surprised there wasn't more interests than during being from? Really it seemed like just the dolphins. Yes. I was I do think though that there were here's the thing. Bill. Would you look at winners and losers this draft, regardless? And this is why the patriots end up with good grade for basically everybody's rounds to three in this draft were so meaty in terms of talent that that was sitting there and available for teams to select just because it wasn't a top end draft class. It was a a meat and potatoes class with a really thick middle class. And sounds social like it sounds like I'm talking about like social studies. There were just there were guys that could've gone fifth overall or fifty fifth overall. And that shouldn't be surprising. And so I think smart teams with a win with a window to win. Now. Like the chargers and the patriots. And you know this Steelers probably weren't looking for a quarterback. But the teams of that ilk, we're not willing to sacrifice the second or third round pick in order to go. Get Josh Rosen because it would be giving a player who could be very valuable for them. Now. Would it be great to get a franchise quarterback down the road? But this is a guy who had one year a damage, you know, there there's lots of bad taper Josh Rosen out there. And you know, even even if he's dirt cheap. You know, you're you're in a position where you know. Maybe you don't know how long time radium Philip rivers. You're gonna play whoever the quarterback is. So from that perspective a little surprising. But I mean like I would say like Cincinnati should have gone out and give a third round pick for him. But but appears based on you know, the dolphins conversations with Steve. Time that you would have to give up, you know, a top fifty pick in order to beat out with the Miami was offering. So from that perspective. I guess I'm not surprised, but I would have gone out and giving up a third round pick for Josh Rosen. I think he's a good quarterback. I think he had a bad rap last year. And I think he could bounce back. And man, I mean if you can land a top ten quarterback talent. But the third round pick that that's how you change a franchise. Yeah. I mean, I've -solutely the dolphins or the separate free SPN like worst case scenario, not worst-case, but pretty much the worst case scenario is he's okay. He's a backup and. A competent backup fees even a mediocre backup. He still a profitable player for your team because he's only making about two million dollars a year for the next three years a league where good backups or making five six million dollars a year. So. You know, obviously, the upside is there, and if he turns out to be a starting quarterback, you'll you found one of the biggest bargain football. I think it's a great name for the dolphins saying, I think it's very low risk. You know, you want to have a second round pick. But they did trade down, you know, sort of manufacturer an extra pick out of that with the saints. So I think it was a great move for Miami. Even if it doesn't work out, I think the the logic going into giving their situation, given what they're likely to do in two thousand nineteen giving it doesn't preclude you from drafting at quarterback and twenty twenty whatsoever. If Josh Rosen is not your guy. I think it's an absolutely slammed on no risk easy decision for Miami. I. Interesting to at least look at. We won't know anything for a couple of years at least next year. We'll have an idea of how some of these guys might be just some some names that went in that similar range. And I mentioned, you know, the the the depth of this. I mean Paris Campbell. Why would she hire state fifty nine to the colts the seer early safety, Delaware? Fifty chargers tail wraps if you had a Washington sixty one of the Rams and Isabela why would she want Thornhill VAT K Metcalf? Why she out of old myth that finishes? Third round. All of those guys at one point in time by one of the fifty billion mock draft out there was projected as a potential first round pick. So I do get I like, I like, I I really think you have to your cap to the cardinals for somehow getting this thick out of this when they badly bungled the the leverage in negotiations here. Yeah. Absolutely. In terms of the rest of the traffic gets number four two and three pretty much chalk pretty much what we were expecting close to what we were expecting. Raiders at four, of course of the rumors before the draft they were kicking their scouts out. They didn't want to reveal their secret plan for the fourth pick. And then it was Ellen ferrall, despite the fact that there was Michael silver story that might make ran a mock draft after size with the raiders before the draft and move down to thirteen and still managed to get for real the raiders, do we're not willing to wait. And I think we've heard about this with quarterback we're gonna get to it with the giants and Daniel Jones. A little different we pass rushers especially in this draft. And it is hard to believe that they couldn't find a way down from four and ended up going for guy who I think is pretty good, but not necessarily someone who would have come off the board in the top five in most anyone's backtracked. I like the guy who would north eastern pronounce it correctly. The guy from the south like spit for years, watching Cleveland fireable. I can't I can't help. I Cleveland Ferrell. Curious by the way, I sort of. I sorta thought about after my scooter accident like acting like there was some sort of a brain injury that's caused my accent to change like, you know, what Homer Simpson when Humber gets the the crayons stuck up his nose. And he turns into a genius like I was thinking about going just like full southern just I'm like, I'll do all interviews like this. I hit my little scooter. And I like a hey seat and just seeing how my how my football writing career was. I think it would fit poorly. But that's that's where that's that's bad about of a head space. I was in. Yes. I mean for L if four was it was a stunner. And it didn't last long as stunner because of another pick will get to the second. But to have to have the raiders with Josh Allen. The board a player that a ton of teams like TJ Hopkinson sitting there and Oliver, you know, even Devon Devon white. He told me. Before the during during our interview that he believes the re he was definitely played for the raiders, you know, it's so hard to it's so hard to do so hard to judge this because as you point out, the raiders did a mock exercise, and they traded down. And he was there for them later. So it makes you wonder why would you not move down try to recruit some more picks try to get better value at a where you pick for L and not worry about like, I feel fairly confident they could have moved down to eight nine or ten and still gotten him. But I also I understand that rivers the bills we're trying to give up to get an offer. So you couldn't have couldn't have swapped four and nine with the bills got an extra pick. Let them take Oliver. And then you get fairly at nine. I I would have been surprising. If whip before that, given what we saw from the giants Jaguars and lions and in terms of how they address people like, you know, what I mean? So I don't like it from that perspective. I do understand the. Sept of hey, this is where we're picking it's hard to move down. There don't seem to be a lot of options for us anywhere. This is the best guy on our board. Let's take him. I get that. I just wonder, you know, heard Brian McFadden mentioned this on our on CBS sports Q show. And I I don't know if it was out somewhere else. But apparently the raiders like his Faeroes maturity because they're going to use. Well, that's that's that's something. I mean, he's more mature. I guess that's good. I think he's gonna be a great locker room leader. They could be a an impact player. But if they if they take him at four and Devon white Josh Allen and Oliver all much better. This is gonna look like a very foolish traffic any find interesting that not to disparage Jon Gruden because I you know, he was the former colleague I have nothing against Jon Gruden, but I do find it funny. The guy who was the star of multiple commercials with hooters is like, oh, we gotta get the mature pick for move to Vegas. At for. I I, you know, I do think that they could have down buffalo certainly they were interested in moving up the giants you'd figure given that they were in panic. You probably couldn't convince them that someone was going to trade up with the bucks that they had an offer at four. And if they wanted to get their guy they needed to trade up for quarterback, but they didn't of course, ended up taking Jones in six to in a second. The raiders I feel like we're getting a sense of what Jon Gruden wants to do at this roster. Now you've seen him through coup free agency periods and we've seen him through two drafts. Now during the second draft made things crystal clear he wants guys who have prototypical size and prototypical bodies for their positions. You look at the guys they've added over the last two years last year. It was the two offensive linemen Colton Miller and Brandon Parker both of them are six seven or taller. They drafted on June draft, our trade they sign Trent Brown in free agency who six foot eight I believe left tackle tyrel Williams's six foot four they big for one of the recruitment signings. Tonio Brown is smaller. Antonio Brown is still in Tonio Brown. You make exceptions for like Antonio Brown. Clone ferrall has perfect size. Josh jacobs. Not enormous. But for halfback up just about where you would hope for in terms of size of Trayvon Mullen is six one Jonathan even begin not quite as big. And I think there are going to be exceptions here or there, but mostly it seems like he is going for guys who have the, you know, the sort of typical size she'd want from guy particular position, even if they don't have the the high upside if they don't have the same talent of the same consistency that you get from players who are shorter. And it's John gruden's basically betting on himself to coach these guys in to really talented football players given that they have the sort of physical attributes you can't teach. Yeah. I it's also like it's weird because I have a hard time sitting back here in believing that if Mike Mayock, maybe I'm wrong. I mean, I don't know we don't we ever saw his his player evaluation. In list for the twenty nineteen NFL draft. But do we think that Cleveland Farrell cleven ferrall, however pronounce it was the number four player on his board or even the number three players board. I I don't know. I just have a hard time based on how what we know about Mike Mayock and how he's built his board. John he's he doesn't he doesn't cater never catered to the homogeneous draft. You know, whatever the the the sheep that often run drafts. It wasn't me. He did his own thing. I just have a hard time seeing him putting him above Josh Allen. Because the upside and all that. But I mean, maybe he was there mean this is a again, this is a draft where there were particularly one or two guys. I mean, quite a Williams Nick poster that revive everybody else, and then it's all sort of a mishmash there. And and in that regard, it could make a lot of feel like there had to been a lot of input for Paul Guenther here in terms of giving a guy that he wanted and a guy that would work in his defensive scheme, which was probably passed onto. You know, we're probably passed on to to Jon Gruden which is then probably passed on to Mike Mayock it. So I this whole process Bill has sort of wondering who's you know, what is what is the exact way that this is laid out for instance. Again, you read that Peter King article and he talks about when the eagles traded up to to get Audrey Dillard late in the first round and snipe the Texans. Well, Mike Mayock thought cuss word moving to panic. The eagles jumped us for guy. And it's like, well, why is he first of all my quiet freaking out about a running back in the first round. And it is to read it was like Gruden told. They ought not to screw up the first round. And you know, he's like, wait a minute, John. I think about the tackle it almost seems like there's a bit of a trust each other. But then like Gruden sort of turn this over to me Hauk, but may aqua scared to maybe do something that Gruden didn't like in terms of how your perch the draft like he had to cater drafted Gruden rather than creating draft. To his big board. And that's that's where I sort of wonder about the the selections by the raiders here. Yeah. I think we're still figuring out how much of this is Jon Gruden how into this is Mike Mayock. And I think the raiders perhaps they're still figuring out which is which and how much each guy is going to have a say in terms of the dress election process. We're gonna hit a break come back and talk about one of the New York teams. I'm not sure which one depends on who had a more interesting draft here on the Bill Barnwell show in a moment's fuck. -nology truth brought to you by code. Truth. You think you can solve any problem by tuning computer, all and on him and his something that turn off and on problem. It's smoking. Yeah. That's just museum Easter boot truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. And Nelson fire happens all the time. It's all good. Geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. All right back here on the Bill Barnwell show. I'm Bill Barnwell ESPN joined by CBS Brinson. Let's get to it. Well, I'm not I'm not thrilled to have this conversation. I have not been looking forward to it. Let's talk about the giants. Let's talk about what they did in this draft. Let's start with Daniel Jones with the sixth overall pick. What was your immediate reaction when the giants made the selection? Well, I there's no way that I can say it on air Bill. What the moment. I I mean, I didn't I didn't have the same reaction as your your colleague in our friend. Meaning no doubt played it up for the cameras. Really? Yakking it up. Try go viral. I get it hitting me. It was a that clip. It was it was wildly entertaining. I it was shocking. I mean period into the store in a story of shocking to see the giants do that. You know, I believe that someone maybe dangerous Jeremiah mocked Dana Jones for the giants at six at one point of the process. I don't know if he had that in this final mock, I would guess it. He didn't because it's not believable enough, especially you even with the the benefit of hindsight. You know, you look at how this draft and folded, I have a hard time believing that gained Jones wasn't going to be there at seventeen I know that Dave Gettleman loves Dexter Lawrence. I I had I mocked Larson. The giants in January and never moved off of it. And it was right? The entire time. I think. That that's Dave Gettleman pick. I wonder I do wonder if this six overall pick wasn't sort of ownership, dick. And you know, we're getting we see it with Dave Gettleman. I think part of the problem we saw we talked last year. Right. He does the little keyboard thing who to and then and then he comes out. He's like maybe three years. Maybe two years, maybe hit my car. Who knows? I don't know. And it's just the way that he approaches this it it's fine when you're winning you can sort of get away with that. Like, he didn't Carolina maybe a smaller market, it's less so fine. When your your team is terrible. And you're in New York where you're being asked these questions repeatedly. And it just feels like. Everybody's piling on this which is usually a I mean, it's you know, it's either sign that it's going to go really horribly wrong or everyone else gonna look stupid. I mean, if data Jones is great this is an incredible draft class by by David cattlemen. Right. And if if data Jones is not good or even just average, then this is gonna get Dave cattleman fire. I don't think there's any two ways about that. And I mean, you know, I think it's tough when you have someone who is swearing up and down that ally. Manning, it's still great and still just as good as it used to be. And that person is the one who saying well, just trust my instincts. I know best. I watched this guy at the senior bowl. And that was what I knew he was going to be our pick. It would be easier. And I think to his benefit if he was just like, you know, we've I waited all the guys we think this is someone who, you know, throughout the entire process watching his tape over the last like why if you're if you're going to talk about this, and you don't wanna get, you know, berated in the media just lie just be like. Hey, wasn't the senior bowl. It was. It was over. The course of the last couple of years. We thought he was our guy. That's fine. No one's gonna get upset with you for that. You make an upset for other reasons granted. But no one's gonna critique your process, even if perhaps should be critiqued, which I think pretty clearly it should be the thing. I would say is this. You mentioned this little bit with Kyla Mary with the first pick. I really can't be too upset about taking a quarterback earlier than you think. He should be taken. If you think he a franchise quarterback in the giants, do I would take him six, even if I think there's a shot. I would get him in seventeen I would be willing to do that for someone like a ferrall someone like an extra Lawrence. I would've considered trading down and getting him with my, you know, later in the first round, I waited for twenty four twenty five because I think that's a different position. But if you think you have a franchise quarterback, and he's on the board at six, even if you're not sure the Broncos are interested at ten which they they're saying, no, they might have been given that they took. They took drew lock. They're not going to say that Washington. I assume they're going to join Haskins. There were some reports before the draft. They were interested in dental Jones as well. Who knows what they would've actually done. But I'm not I I'm not hard because if he works out, there's no there's no problem taking him at six, and I think if it doesn't work out and they have no quarterback for another year. I think there's a good chance. They've got him in is. Either fired or in serious serious jeopardy. This time next year. So I I can't fault them for doing it where they did it. But I just don't think there's a lot of evidence that Daniel Jones is a a very promising NFL prospect know exactly, and like, I I don't think that you could definitively say Daniel Jones is going to be better than Ryan Finley who the biggest took in the fourth round. I mean, they played shape conference, you know, same area where near where I live. There's you watch judge. All right. This guy's got a got a shot. But I it really feels like so much of what went into this is. I hope I'm wrong. It sounds stupid. But this guy played for David cut cliff just like Manning's and he went to a prototypical cerebral quarterback who can handle the limelight. And he like he and he locate a along 'cause they were coached by the same guy, and look all this excess of quarterbacks have had well, no the Manning's have had success. Right. And Peyton Manning had a ton of success. He like was along for Super Bowl rides. You made a couple of picks throws. I mean like. Right Wilson, my colleague asked me this on the podcast. And I think the answer is. Yes. But I wanna ask you this question if you can have, and it's it's tough. I think to even ask it. But like if you could if you would have allies career, not counting the super bowl's. Would you take him six overall draft? You would right. I mean like it's not it's not a slam dunk. I if it's Philip rivers if it's been Rothlisberger, take them six. No question you lie. It's not quite as clear, I think I would just because he was so healthy. You know, he was pretty good for a long time. He was never a top three or four quarterback. Maybe there was a year. He was eight top-five quarterback by enough. That's -sarily. Maybe oh eight, but you know, he was pretty consistently somewhere in the ten to sixteen range, which is valuable in itself. I don't know that say early. You know worth what they've paid him necessarily? But I do think, you know. I think if you can say, okay, we're gonna get fourteen years or fifteen years out of pretty good quarterback play that I think that's worth the six pick. But again, it's not a slam dunk. And that's you know, that might be the best case for dental Jones is that he's decent to pretty good for a while. Yeah. Exactly. And like that's not what you wanted to six pick. And I know this is a weird draft. Because there we didn't think there are a ton of transcendent players. But I mean, I I do wonder if Josh Allen t to me when you you know, when you go and look on the Wikipedia pages of of drafts. And there's there's a the person's excel seller the cell is as no color. It's right. That means if that person was probably bad draft pick because they didn't get the bluer, orange labels. And if there's a bunch of people who've got the blue label's below him that means things have gone very wrong for the that drafted the guy who who lacks the lacks the pigments in there, it feels like gained Jones with Josh Allen TJ Hodkinson, Ed Oliver, Devon Bush and Jody Williams immediately after him could be that way. Especially if this harebrained plan to sit him for three years, which I don't think they'd give them a serious about what she did reference in his post draft press conference were to come to fruition. Imagine drafting a quarterback number six overall and not using actively choosing to not use three fifths of his rookie deal, especially when that fifth year you only utilize after us the first four years to Termine whether or not the guy is the guy. I mean, imagine sitting him for two or three years after taking six over all. So what you're saying? Basically the Jake locker. Of this draft. I mean, yeah, I mean that went poorly for me, I'm an old take expose way. But it does feel like Jake locker Christian. Ponder Blaine gabbert it felt like this is a class. Like that. Where you know, there are some, you know, you don't like asking spell, I guess, maybe not. But yeah, I mean, Joe feels like one of those guys where you took him in a spot that could potentially backfire for everybody really badly. Look, again, if the end of the day, a pretty simple equation, if Daniel Jones is is a franchise quarterback, Dave Gettleman can laughing faces and if he's not and this didn't didn't work we probably won't get the laughing got on his face 'cause he'll have been fired a few years before. Yes. I mean, they cast the future for the franchise. There's no like there's no like, oh, what am I going to make the decision? They've made the decision. So this is what this thirteen minutes. It's it's like the opposite of the Josh Rosen camping right trade for Josh Rosen. And you're like, well, this guy's talked upside. And if it doesn't work out nobody's gonna blame us because we didn't spend much on him. And we're allowed to do whatever we wanted to drafting another quarterback and the giants would have had that opportunity. They traded for Josh Rosen if you draft June six, and it's just a matter of your investment here as well. As the psychology of it, you him six, and you're tying yourself to this kid, and you better be right or else. Everybody gets fired. And I mean, you know, the work out there talent on this offense saquon Barkley at an ingrown, golden Tate stowing shepherd. The offensive line is much improved. Still not great. But you know, it's a real Hernandez. Kevin Zeitler pretty good core for your offensive line. I just you know, this is eighteen that you'd figure that they're gonna be there. Any train win games? Running the football with Barclay and playing great defense and that worked in Carolina with Cam or they had a guy who was much better quarterback than thinking. We'll give them credit for but had a very good running game with camping Utah. Chunk of it. And very good defense. I I don't know that even after using first round picks on extra Lawrence and the Baker nothing against them. But I don't know what this defense is really very good, given you know, the guys we're seeing on paper here. I I don't think it's great either. And a y'all have to answer the question what you get return for Beckham. Oh. Extra-large integral peppers and who's the other guy that? Good for you. I actually right. We'll have had to teach me like teaching named seven times on the podcast today. Yeah. I mean, I think. Yeah. I mean, it's it's could be taking Josh Allen six overall, maybe doesn't fix the defense. I just felt like they were gonna go just load up defensive players. Maybe try and make a little bit of a run this. You're using you lie. And I it just feels like everything good that the giants did with this draft is all outweighed by the criticism and the concerns about the no Jones six overall. So moving on in terms of Josh Allen just mentioned do you like the Jags taking him seven, even though? I mean, the strength thirteen was ready. Pretty clearly their defensive line. Yeah. Yeah. I I think that that's a guy, and I did it. They were believe they're considering at Oliver. And that's about to it worked out for them. Because they later got you want Taylor that one of the office of Lyman that they thought they might target in the first round that's at seventh over all. They got him in the second round. So that was a nice little pull by them to you know, I I don't think that there needs necessarily matched up with the way that this draft board fell you could make a case for TJ Hopkinson there in instead of instead of Josh Allen. But I think Josh Albus so high on their board. And additionally, you can't always just Bill you can't just drop for need. There's a chance to you know, that they're going to struggle to workout contracts situations with kill as Campbell. Darius Yana concoc- way all those guys. And so two added another defensive pass rusher to that group. And maybe a guy you can be a little bit more, you know, malleable in terms of where he lines up as a pass rusher. And Josh Allen. I I don't mind I think that sometimes it's okay to double down on strength and the Jaguars. Did that with another pass rusher? Yeah. I mean, look at Tom Coughlin think about how he won his Super Bowls. Yup. Great great defensive lines multiple talents. Guys who were lining up inside outside and drafting defensive linemen when their needs. Elsewhere on the roster say, okay, we can just watch quarterback. We don't have to worry about other spots roster. We don't have to have a great quarterback with with ally. And I have to have a great, you know, a great running game. We we can sort of make it work with dominant defense and they did. So I I don't blame them. I think it's a, you know, I it's leverage against possibly gang and goch way. If they decide that they don't want to give him a big deal and wanna trade him, which I don't I don't think they should. But you know, having Josh Allen is your third pass rusher. Someone who's gonna kick inside or kicking linebacker or you know, play over the field. If you've a creative defensive coordinator, you can do a lot of things with Josh Allen. And. I think you offers them, you know, a really good chance at having dominant pass rush again, which they had in twenty seventeen and that was really drove him into post-season. I like a lot of the draft picks here in this range. I don't have any issues with really any them Hopkinson. I love going to the lines at eight. You know, at all we're going to the bills, I think everyone loves at nine. They didn't have to trade up and get him stewards traded up to get Devon Bush at ten A pick that I think everyone is a big fan of leave about to have a dob drinking water here on the show Joan Williams. Yeah. Classic Magyar running perfect time for her to be thirsty journal Williams at eleven again, right right in line with what I think people were expecting for the Bengals upgrade, Bobby harder. They gave very curious contract to Sean Gerry since he was a bit of a surprise for the Packers at twelve. I I don't like to move the players. Very talented is a ton of upside didn't produce much Michigan. There's some concerns. Maybe he was misused in Jim Harbaugh defense that seems a little weird to be like we know that Jim Harbaugh got a lot out of his players at the pro level. And it's done a good job at the college level despite the narratives that he should have a hot seat and the bigger things shoulder surgery. We saw this with shack Lawson most recently you drafted a guy who has a torn labor and my knee surgery. Now, you're the buzz was that he he can manage it during the season. That's not how I show torn labor works. You can't manage that. And so to take a pass rusher at twelve whose athletic guy with another kind of college production who might need soda before. And if not before then definitely after the draft. I don't know if I love that especially when you compare it with the dolphins in Christian Wilkins next, you know, with a, you know, a high upside high floor guy coming from Clemson with a ton of production at the college level and a locker leader type of guy. Yeah. I mean, Gary really has to work out for this pick to work and zetino, of course, meant so much money on Preston Smith and said area Smith and free agency that they might sit there and say, okay, we're gonna Shangari on the on the shelf for the first year and let him go get labor him surgery. And then we don't have a choice, of course. But just they moved. I don't you know, just didn't seem to add up and traded up for darnold savage later on this just seems like it's a Packers team. That's you know, really it's almost like they are the teenagers who just left Ted Thompsons house. And they're like we're going to do whatever we want now. And it's a little strange doesn't mean it's not gonna work out. But it's just it's very jarring. It's also weird to me like we're like they're clearly all in on this year and making Matt leflore work out of the gate. And you know, they actually Williams the only running back they added to Aaron Jones Jamal Williams. He's a six round pick. They do get Jay stern burgers. I credited for that. That was a you know, move that a lot of people thought the patriots might do is pass tied into the first round takes later. They got him in the third round. Which is a nice pick added. Elton Jenkins in the second round to the offense of line. But I mean, we're gonna need it to see a pretty big step from one of draw one or two of drama mouse and marquess scamming and economic estate Brown in order for this Packers offense. I think to really be dynamic because they just don't have a ton outside of outside of devante atoms. And with Jimmy Graham, getting older, it's you put a lot of pressure on Aaron Rodgers here. If the offense isn't great people are gonna question coaching news. Yeah. Or questioning Rogers and seems like the other happen. It seems weird to say given the reports the draft that Washington was Dan signer was taking over the draft firm, and they were going to do something stupid. And then they came away with Dwayne Haskins and Montesquieu let. In the first round the only only having to give up a second round pick in twenty twenty to get there. It does seem like this was a pretty smart turn unit doesn't work out. It's the Washington got to really talented players at reasonable positions in the first round without having to give up too much. Is that strange is strange to complement Washington for doing something smart? It is this is sort of like when I to my wife and be like, hey, I'm going to say for the weekend, and I'm actually gonna leave a wind day. And like every guy that is my friend that you don't like parties, really hard. It's coming with us. And she's like melting down for forty eight hours. And then I'm just kidding. I'm gonna go to my buddy cars house for the night and hang out. What's your game? She's like, oh my God. Go ahead. How can I buy used to beard have a blast like the scenario that was leaked out of the Redskins might do was so bad and so terrifying Redskins fans that when dangerous Snyder just sat there? Fifteen to Duane Haskins. And then just by the way that future. Twenty twenty second round pick is probably going to be a top forty pick. I don't think the Redskins you're going to be great sort of probably be it'll probably be a pretty valuable asset. But if that doesn't it doesn't hurt you now. If a psychological factor. Right. So I think Redskins fans were able to embrace it. But yeah, I mean, they did a good job. I felt like instead of danger Snyder just taking over the draft and bending it to his will that there was a compromise with the coaching staff and the front office, and the owner said look I want I want this Haskins kid falls to us. We will take him at fifteen and they said we need to defensive help, and they were willing to trade back in and give up that pick. And you know, Chris Ballard always wanted to trade out. So you get a guy with the heart issue. But he has the upside it'd be a really great pass rusher. And you know, if Darius Geiss or Bryce love or one of these ACL ridden guys for Washington the run game can come along with that that offense of lying can say a little bit healthier. This year started conceivable that Washington could win seven eight nine games and challenge in that division. Sure. Of course, not absolutely not not in. You know, hardly out of the question is is accurate. That's a dominant division in the Cowboys should take a step backwards. Year, given how good they weren't close games. The eagles. I mean, you know, very good roster. I'm excited by their draft. But of course, still you know, one Carson Lynch injury way. Fifteen sixteen gauge, of course, wins right? Exactly. You know? Certainly the giants. I'm not on put it nicely. But you know division. It's always up for grabs every year. Even though it seems like we're not expecting it to be. So I can't fault them. I mean, if it doesn't work out doesn't work out. But if you could've told me this was going to happen this time last week. I think not only Washington fan end up for it. But I would have signed up for it. I would have said, hey, that's a smart move. All right. Well, let's get to the bottom half of the first round here. But I wanna talk about our friends at Dollar Shave Club. And I'm very lazy guys. I do not like going out. I have to work a bunch. I really enjoy not having to go to the store. I don't wanna have to wait in line. 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So what are you waiting for get your starter set for just five dollars right now at dollarshaveclub dot com slash Barnwell. B A R N W E L L my last name, that's dollarshaveclub dot com slash Barnwell. Not actor the show in terms of the bottom. Half of the first round anyone who comes to mind for you is like a a really good fit where you really enjoy where they came down in terms of matchup of player and situation. Yeah. I think that commun- well a couple of things I'll point out really quickly just spring to mind with the bottom. Half of the round is one would've dagger for the Texans too. Twenty three and you're thinking holy cow. We have just watched no offense of Lima. Go early. We are about to land at best pass protector in this class that guy with ninety billion pass wraps because of that Mike Leach offense and Andre Dillard. And then how he rose leapfrogs you to twenty two and takes the offense of lime and that you knew you wanted. I think that's a an absolutely perfect fit to for the eagles. Because you know, you have Jason Peter situation. And and now in theory, you can get one more year out of Jason Peters. Maybe he stays healthy. If he does great Andre Dillard, can can be depth and another option elsewhere on the line. You're locked Wayne Johnson there on the right side, the two thousand thirteen I rounder, and if Peter gets hurt you have some insurance in terms of Dillard's, and you don't have to worry about putting highlight social even have. Yeah, they got how. Yeah. Yeah. Halloween. Yeah. And so from that perspective, I think you're setting yourself up. We always talk about a bridge to the future for quarterbacks. Well, the eagles are trying to build a bridge the future for left tackle. And that's that's not a terrible terrible move. I think marquees Brown to the ravens. I why she wrote the board at twenty five which is is crazy. You know? You know, they have a really young wide receiver group in Baltimore is the worst going into the draft Bill. And now, you know, they had they had of course Brown and then pick up who's the Notre Dame kid miles boykin, and and I like Brown's fit because I think he could work. Well, the mar- Jackson skill set. He can use screens and and short area passes to to improve the completion percentage, and he's a home run hitter out of those spots. And then you could also boy the top of the fence and Lamar Jackson has really strong arm. So from that perspective, I like the fed. Although I wonder how good that offense will will actually end up being. Yeah. I think it's a it's good for the ravens not maybe ideal to for Hollywood Brown's fantasy opportunities. Turtle dagger for him. But yeah, but yeah, good good. Good match for the ravens. But he I mean, he might have. I don't know. Thirty five catches for seven hundred ninety yards and five long touchdowns or something like that this year. Flip side of that. And I think I'm gonna finish up here. In terms of what I think maybe not the best fit in terms of player because wide receivers on this team seemed to wash out pretty frequently for as far as traffic's go. But obviously a dream fantasy scenario is in kill Harry going to the patriots. No. Yeah. I mean, he he could be the patriots leading receiver. I sure could be perfectly honest. I mean, right Jewish element is the guy for Tom Brady. But he, you know, here's what element is. And that's a change mover underneath guy marry Thomas. I don't think it's guaranteed to make the the team at also door centers is really more of that that explosive guy down the field. And and after that, it's reselling good MAURICE Harris and Matthew Slater, Braxton barriers. So I mean in kill Harry could be a guy who comes in from day one, especially with Austin Sperry GECAS villa game for gronk. They didn't kill Harry just schemed up Josh mcdaniels to be a big bodied point of attack guy who tries to take balls the distance. I'm not maybe a little surprise that. The patriots didn't add more wide receivers Trafton. They had a chance to get so many of them. I do think though Bill when you look at how they hit this picket thirty to that. And I said this a couple of times leading on Thursday night is that I think Bill Belichick was there at thirty two. He probably had offers to trade down a lot drew locks on the board bunch of you'll so on the board. And he realized that given where the patriots were in the second round. I think it was fifty six at the time that there was a very good chance. There would be a ton of receivers taking giving how the board and fall in between thirty two and fifty six and as a result he decided to pull the trigger on the guy who's on top of his board. And you've been right. I think there were twelve receivers taken in the second round alone. This where the receivers all went. And so you know, he was able to get his top choice. They're out side of Hollywood Brown. And and you know, it's just one of those where maybe I don't love it. But you gotta trust the ballot check evaluation. Yeah. I think it's a good place. Sort of just sort of stick your trust or doesn't work out. A at least that was on Bill Bella side of things as opposed to the way around will if people wanna check out more of the voluminous, I think is the word I would use not sure if that's an actual correct word, but certainly exhaustive draft coverage from you on CBS over the past week where the various places they can go do that winners and losers all week all sports dot com. The pictures podcasts as I mentioned before and my non-sanctioned. Plug of my podcast is I tuned Spotify, Stitcher, and all these great places daily NFL show up every single morning around eight AM for your commute or Jim trip or whatever you do actually is usually about six or seven AM, and it is it would be daily through the offseason. Somehow you have to get used to some new voices next week because I'll be like I said a hanging hanging with Mr. mouse down in DisneyWorld at will Brinson on Twitter at we'll Brinson on my newly verified Instagram page, new verified on Instagram, man. My wife is so mad about it. She's like, I have my followers in you. Never. All right. Well, well, it's always a pleasure. Please heal up in time for your monthly appearance in may. But so happy to have you on the show. We'll do. Oh. By the way, I would put out one more thing. Every buyers out of NC state the patriots signed him as an undrafted free agent. He's a big body slot guy who could be a real difference maker for that offense. Absolute steel where they where they got him. I wouldn't be surprised if he is an impact player next year. So then the face leader. Yeah. There you go. All right. Thanks so much to Brinson one of our favorites. Always happy to have won the show. And if you're looking for more NFL draft content this week on the me kind show, featuring Lenny the Meena is back from Nashville and still dumbfounded by the giants decision to draft Jones with the six pack. She is joined by Mike Golic junior to recap the weekend of steals and reaches and to decide whether or not real swag is no swag. Very interesting topic there dowana subscribe to the Munich time show featuring Lenny on apple podcasts. Spotify over effort. You get your podcast, and we're gonna come back next week. I think talking a little more draft stuff, maybe some more analytics when it comes to draft side of things, but more on the way. Thanks much listening back next week on the billboard.

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Seven-Time Footballguys League Champ Dominic Roti

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Seven-Time Footballguys League Champ Dominic Roti

"Is One NFC north tight end about to disappoint as a sleeper this year. Are FCC players underrating AFC south running back, and which rookie wide receiver provides the best football, guys, players, championship, value plus seven time football guys, League Champ Dominick. Rhody hangs out to talk chargers running back Terry McLaren and much more. We've got a great show for you. Dave Zach is here. I'm Eric Bachmann. Stick around your high stakes. Fantasy football hours starts now ten. Win when he was playing. Tennis. I know. Sports. Radio. Broadcast live and heard around the world. You are listening to the most entertaining our radio on the planet. You'd be high stakes fantasy football. I presented by F F P C dot Com with your hosts Eric, ball and Dave Gerzat. The high stakes fantasy football is your home for football analysis from the best fantasy players in the world, and now because no one else was available, your are. Mint and Zach. Still Book on this. Talk Me. Into planes. Steak. Cooking. Hey thanks a lot, rob greetings, and salutations, all of you, F F years, and all the bulk of Alexander. Zakin addicts welcome to the latest episode of the high stakes. Football are presented by my F-. F PC DOT COM as always I'm your slightly above average host, Eric Bachmann and my co host is indeed the patron saint fantasy football, the diso Dave Gir- Zach. Coming up on tonight's show. We're GONNA talk about Curtis Samuel. Role for the panthers and your fantasy rosters. WHAT MID ROUND SLEEPER TIGHT END! End You should be targeting and chat with Dominic. Rhody about opening his football guys drafts with a bunch of running backs and much more. That has all coming up on tonight show shuttled to the chat room right now. Feel free to post any questions. You all might have right in there. If you want to connect with us on twitter, we are at HSS four I am at Eric Bachmann Dave is that David Gura Zach. Dominic is at F. PC. Dr Three FACEBOOK DOT COM slash hsf. Connect with us. 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The season starts actually but It's lot longer. There's still a lot of. Why is that this year I mean I know we started. We got busier was trapped at home i. feel drafting for a long time. They have and and I feel like this year. We've had a lot more interesting in dynasty startups. We've had a lot more interesting interest. Excuse me in Best Ball. And you know as much as I like. To to our own horn here on the. Far there's a lot of podcasts and a lot of websites out there that are really starting to dedicate a lot of their content specifically towards F.. FCC stop and I pay attention to a lot of that and I just think the exposure has made me. More aware of everything going on, but we still got some time to go before you know the main events start up, and and before we hit fourth of July, but it's all I mean early birds running out and we're going to be announcing posers. Joe's on the Sean like three weeks or whatever it is, so it's crazy. I actually giving a hundred credits Alex Alex is really done a fantastic job of. You know creating whether it's you know. Marketing deals are partnerships working with a lot of these content sites. There's a lot of really good people in the industry You know Alex if he wanted to be an ad executive in Madison, avenue, or whatever he would be actually really good at. He's good with talking to people like an office space, right? speaking of. Alex. Lining up a media partners for us so I, was on road baller radio earlier this morning, and we were talking about Fathers Day weekend and everything and I. Know You've seen a few marvel movies I. Don't Know How many you've seen. Did you ever write rex roof? You you like the first guardians of the galaxy right? Yes, I like Guardians. The one answer. Okay, so that was one, so we were talking about Fathers Day movies. I said you know what an excellent father's Day superhero movies to watch is volume two I. I thought that was a tremendous. You know you got to kind of be ended superhero aspect of it. My kids love marvel movies, and we watched all of them. They only like to see like the fighting scenes and the cool part. They don't like the quote. UNQUOTE, boring parts or this quote, unquote scary part. They wouldn't watch guardians of the galaxy either one of them I said they're really good movies. They don't like it. Because not enough of the main characters has superpowers and yeah. That was their big issue with it. Is really strong and fire. Lord flies around, but if they don't have that so I, you bad really you know, it's more of a little more adult nuanced. It's funny. Right yeah yeah. The humor's better in those totally. Yeah in the soundtrack is are both free. Seventies eighties music is great. It's phenomenal. It's absolutely great all right. Let's get into football here tonight. Ladies Gentlemen WanNa take football. Guys wrote a world and rob for tonight's run on big news of the week Deebo Samuel. suffered a Jones fracture in his foot while he was working out yesterday, which was June eighteen. He's He's going to have surgery today. Perform Dr Robert Anderson and according to the experts in the. The pundits. He's GonNa be at full strength in three to four months. This is according to Ian Rapoport from the NFL Network Now deebo Samuel obviously is going to say he's going to come back sooner. In fact, he thinks he's going to be on the field in ten weeks. I think the safe money is probably him beginning the season on the PUP list, and if that is the case as long as he stays. Stays healthy that he should be back week seven. which is sort of you know? After two thirds of the regular season is over with for the FCC and the main event, Brandon IOC who wasn't really expected to do a lot early on. It's probably GONNA take on larger role and Kendrick born and Jalen Hurd obviously could be to that are going to be counted on to well Deebo Samuel Mrs Time and then the. The other thing I noticed today. There's Richie. James another receiver for San Francisco broke his wrist, so they are dropping like flies in the bay area right now. Let's analyze this. David Kick it off with Deebo Samuel. Right now. I shouldn't say right now. Yesterday he went off the board and the nine ten turn Dave as wide receiver forty one. This is right behind Marvin Jones and CD lamb. It's right ahead of McColl. And Christian Kirk knowing that he's going to miss it well. I shouldn't say at least six weeks, but knowing that he's probably going to miss six weeks. Are you on board with that nine ten? Turn right there for Deebo Samuel Right. Now we'll see from. The surgery today. twelve weeks is September eleventh. That is before the see. That's the Friday for those. Yeah, it's not yet essentially be week one okay, so that's. I think I think it's a little presumptuous to put him on a populist. Why would you put on the Puck plus when twelve weeks you know is is before the season starts I. Mean it's. It's Kinda stupid if he actually is back, I mean he thinks weeks I get probably not, but I mean I think that's it. There's it's a long ways out I I feel like. I think just automatically presume a lot of times. It's like you were saying these. Push out and then they. It does take longer to ramp up to you know this isn't a pitcher. This isn't. Runs around and stuff I mean again. You know he doesn't just come out and he's not going to be exactly. But I think when they save back in time, it doesn't mean he's like starting to walk I think it means he's back and ready back ready to go. Okay all right so knowing. Is He a value there? At that nine ten turn wide receiver, forty-one sounds like he is pretty. What was what was people for him? He was going in like the mid six. I Yeah I. think that's fine. Take them there. Because that's the worst case. He's back in week seven, and so let's say there's there's A. As a conservative person here, let's say thirty percent chance. He's ready to go and we it. He's not not popped right there you week one-two-three whatever and so effectively gets most of the season and then the other, the the worst case option well, a worst case option is week seven setback, and maybe I are. Five five ten percents yeah, he pulls the AJ Green I easier. Reading has a contract with US hand. And he was, he was much older than Samuel, two Samuel very young man for virtually all right, so the other thing that we should we should analyse. Here is how it's going to affect. Some of the other receivers for the forty niners starting with Brandon I now. I was a guy that was it well actually before we move onto. Is there like maybe a week or so buying window for deebo Samuel Dynasty Leagues Right now. Where you could low ball and owner that's maybe like had delusions of grandeur wanted to win right now, and you might be able to get something, or is that not worth pursuing? Your shot I mean why not all they can do to say no, okay all right Let's talk about him now. This is by the way they the ADP data I'm I'm getting right here from fantasy. MOJO DOT COM. This is the ADP of the three football guys drafts that went off yesterday now granted. This is a super small sample size, but this is everything. All these drafts took place after the deebo Samuel news was out I. is actually still going after Deebo Samuel, he was wide receiver fifty at the twelve point six now based on what you said about Samuel. I don't know if you're necessarily on board with the rookie receiver going off in the mid twelfth round right here. yeah. Going right now. Yes, that's where he went yesterday after the Samuel News, so terribly bad, but it's. It's fine I. Mean I guess that's fine I mean twelfth round and you're getting you're. Going down there. I think I would take a chance at. Twelve there all right, so and and we bring this up to this is the other bit of News Dave all drafts as far as well. I shouldn't say all three, but George biddle was the ADP tight end. One yesterday Cato was going off on average at the one. Oh seven Kelsey going off the board and averages the one away. This was the first time we've seen this this season or killed leapfrog Kelsey now knowing. Knowing that Samuel, we're not going to see him till again. Maybe not as a not till the start of the regular season. Is this going to hold up? Do you think kills? GonNa end up going consistently over Travis Kelsey more importantly. Who would you rather have knowing what you know now is Kelsey the by Because he slipped or is is killed. The guy you gotta get I'd rather have Chelsea myself, so I mean. Mean I like quite a bit, but if even ag- again, giving the week seven situation he's back and killed goes back to being what he was going to before. which is you know, seventeenth or eighteenth overall pick or something like in the neighborhood I, don't I? Don't bump up all that much. Kern Riva in the chat room tonight. By the way he also says he still has Kelsey over kiddle. I think that's the way. Way I'm leaning right now. is to take him over George. Kill right now, but you know it's one of those things asked me around might feel a little bit differently, but I think you're right. I think Kelsey still the Guy Wrap up this discussion here. Any other niners receivers, and this is probably brief. You like Jalen, Hurd late. You like Kendrick born late as potential flyers knowing the Samuel Injury. Jalen hurt I I, liked him commute coming in the last year and so I think I think yeah, he's worth a flyer for sure Jalen. Hurd went off the board as early as the Seventeen O. Five yesterday he had an ADP of the eighteen o seven, Kinda Kendrick born actually he didn't go off the board yesterday at all but I think we talk about reliability and the stuff that he can do in the fact, he's already done it on the NFL level that he. He can block. Jalen. Hurd missed all last season. I think he has feeling much higher than Kendrick Barns, but at the same time I think born has more of an opportunity to get out there. They're shooting for the stars. Hurt is probably the play and I'll agree with Dave on that born might be having the higher floor and I guess if you're going. If you're drafting that late, you'd WANNA. WanNa go with higher ceiling anyway Ron, Jeremy which I. Love Your picture in the chat room mentioned Dante Petco Yeah Ghost, of Dante Pettis. He Chiro Well. You know the I've read about him. was that he was he sort of did not endear himself to the coaching staff last year and There I think there was an attitude, but mostly a work ethic thing, so he's got some work to. To Do, but certainly a pedigree guy, second round pick out of Washington. I know to packers. A fan of Dante Pettis for what that's worth, so he? No, he's not a sheep Oh pick, and maybe Pakistan something odd because he's probably the highest draft that have any of these receivers Jalen hurt. I think it was the third rounder so yeah I mean I'm on board with that. I think. We all have to temper expectations a little bit because this is a team that trust their game trust their offensive line, and they made the big deal for Trent. Williams and step in for Joe Staley they they ran roughshod over the packers in the NFC championship game, and they still ever he most are. They still have having Coleman and who's the other cat that they got rid of breed? There's another running back there that injure jerk McKinnon. Thank, you is still back. Back there as well so you know that they'll want to run the ball quite a bit, and if there's defense is as good as we think it is, they're probably GONNA be salting a lot of games away in the fourth quarter, so there may not be a whole lot of fantasy goodness with those niners receivers. Maybe Samuel is the the current by nine ten spot I. Want Give you props on this next thing because this is something that you've been preaching all off season. Hopkinson now has been able to run routes as part of his Rehab, but has not completely recovered from that ankle injury. He suffered last year. This was according to offensive coordinator. Darrell level as told to Mlive Dot Com Benjamin Raven now. The lions obviously like Hopkinson took him super early in the draft year first round pick but that ankle injury that he had November. It ended a pretty disappointing rookie season. You know after he hit a big week one and he's like Oh my goodness. He could be the greatest rookie tight ever, and he was not, and he was pretty standard rookie tied online. you not like Hopkinson at all for dynasty I hate him and I. Leave and you weren't able to unload them. I. Try I have a job. Okay, I got it. Yeah, that's fine I. Have a wife Man Right I get it. Redraft Leagues. any I mean. I don't hate him, but I don't. I feel like when you had a bad rookie year like you did. That! Does not. Bode well for you for your career. I mean it really doesn't i. think no I like no offence a lot more at this point. TJ Hopkinson going off the board tight end fifteen at four right behind fans and Gronkowski right ahead of Dallas Goddard and John Who Smith. Here's my issue with IT A. God. I can't remember who the other player was, but he was. You know when I hear these reports. These guys still rehabbing injuries from last year I. IT sets off Red Flags for me. That's awful lot scary. Yeah, you should be scared to be drafting where he's being drafted I, think i. Got I, love much rather have got her I'd rather I'd rather John Smith, as well and then you're going further down. We've got a question about title later I actually willing to put five on at the Dawson. Knox is a better year than Hopkinson. Dawson knocks. There's going, but he's probably going like three or four uglier. Is going much later in that I think I'm. Right full he I'm Filipino, too. As O.. Go to you it all right. Here's the thing I. Want and I want before. Make this wager I wanna make this absolutely clear I am with Dave I. Do not like Hopkinson this year. If nothing, ADP wage, or I also am with Dave in that I. Liked Austin Max this year. I. Do not like Dawson knocks enough to not make this wager right most F F pc points in twenty twenty I have TJ Anderson I'll say dropping Knox how much you got on. It I got five of going. All right. But if you are buddy, Leroy tomorrow. Yep, ready for some. We got some vets. For the yeah, there could be some fantasy football talk flying around tomorrow as as well as we get together with former Kentucky Champ Kurt the real roy into packer. This is going to be exciting. Not As exciting I'm sure server. Is GonNa love it. We get if we get that cool guy from Miami. He'll at least pretend to love it that that's what I'm excited for all right in any event I'm excited for next portion of the show here. I want to bring in tonight's guests, Ladies and gentlemen. He is a seven time winner. A medal winner in the football guys, Players Championship, also a highly active owner and F. FCC Dynasty Leagues as well as main event leagues. He joins the show tonight. The break down a few of his twenty twenty football guys drafts. Please welcome into the show Mr. Dominic Rhody Dominic thanks for hanging out with US tonight man. Hey guys! Thanks for having me on. I I'm very excited to have I did I pull you away for many drafts tonight I? Hope I didn't do that. I'm actually on the clock as we speak in the ninth round on a slow football, guys draft so I will be making a pick your as we talk through. I I gotTA decide between Goddard or John New. Right now for my next week, so I'll. Hopefully you guys can help me come to that decision. For. The, you WanNa make the pick live right now we could. We could make the picture I right now. Common. Okay all right, so we were just talking about. Alive picking a slow drive. I'm here. This has ever happened. This is if our history so when you're deciding between Dallas Goddard and Genre Smith. We just said we like him. We like both those guys better than TJ Hopkinson Dave, but when it comes down to it in a football guy. Slow draft, who taking taking it over John Smith Retaking Smith over guard. Myself I am to gutter I would in this is going to make for great radio. I'm GonNa Take Smith instead of Dallas. We we split one one here. Dominic Your thoughts on on what you're basing this. Pick on right here. Yeah, so I guess to me. You know I like are. They both have the same outside. I think God with Jeffries situation, maybe not being ready right away for the year I feel like he is there wide receiver to versus or wide receiver. One until radar gets going, but who knows what the way they're training now with all this stuff going on in the world you know how that's GonNa. Look so I feel like it's going to be red zone heavy. He's GonNa. Get more recessions this year than last year. Those two for seventeen. You know weeks, I. I think they're going to be more like five for fifties and able to touch touchdown in there John Who's got the whole thing that they don't pass this much, but he is definitely their big red zone target with AJ Brown. So I think John, you might come back to me so maybe I'm GonNa Take God out. Go with David. They got it now just because I'll get greedy and seeing johnny comes back, but I do like both of them in the same rings. They can go wrong either way. Choice Yeah. And the other the other in mind, and this is something when Delaney Walker went down. was it last year it was two years ago. He went down and he was being heavily using that. Titans, offense and granted. This was Mario Tannahill. But I picked up John Smith, and a bunch of leaks 'cause I had some leak tight. End was on by that week and I'm like. Oh! I got Smith Great. He put up a Bagel zero. It was bad. It was really really bad. Gets those I know I, know at least got her is going to get a Red Zone Walker to in every game, so you got that going from saying John Well, but I mean I don't know I. Just love got hurt all around the board so. Well here we are five minutes in an interview dominic. We've we've made. We helped you make a pick in a football guy slow. We haven't even asked the question. We ask everyone right well. We just wanted to know what kind of work you're doing for a living right now. Right George Costanza leaving on a high note. We tomato pick and. That's it for me. Family. Time League winner. That's why don't you forget it? So Dominic When you I know you Ha- obviously have the time to do. The football guys slow drafts. You have time to do football guys live drafts. Obviously whatever type of work you're in, it allows you for a lot of recreational time to draft right. Yeah. You know I'm fortunate enough. My wife also doesn't kill me for. Doing tracks while we're trying to put my son and daughter to sleep, but I'm able to get in financial adviser so I've been you know. Pretty much what you know from March thirteen, working at home and doing zoom meetings, so it's actually been pretty much. Make your own schedule. which is nice and. You know it's being able to sneak. These drafting can't go anywhere can't do anything in Chicago. So we just you know, just keep drafting. And try some new things out on. On the three fifty's 'cause. It's all about that five hundred K.. That's right. She said I'm sorry. You cut out for certain financial advisers as you said. Yeah Yeah, so financial adviser do financial planning investment strategies stay planning You know the whole nine Burford clients and land area. I've kind of asked US kind of before. We've had a couple different financial advisers. You're kind of like an amateur I I mean amateur. which kind of is psychologist really most of the time where it's like for God's sakes? Don't take your money out of the market now because it's the worst time to do that that you know half the calls you have. You. Get the reality when you go through what March we just went through. When everything was pretty much, world was ending You had some interesting call. The most of my quantum is pretty good. You know it's You know fortunate enough to have a good base. Then you do the psychology part, but for the. Better than expected given the circumstances. We ran for about a month especially so. It was so fast down that it was fast coming back up that if you just. Didn't watch the nightly news. You probably okay, so I think that that's probably part of it. Okay. Here's why I have a fancy question finally here. So you got Leonard Four and a half to three or four and a recent football. Guys draft. Do you think FTC owners I mean? He hit a good year last year? Even though? I don't know I, I, I didn't know what it very much, but I mean. It seemed like it was fine to me, and they scored plenty of points. are FCC owner sleeping on him the season. Yeah I mean I think to a degree because you group them in with girly Gordon. Connor I think in that third round range in Jonathan Taylor to some degree, but we don't know what that looks like yet, but those four plus David Johnson maybe after you know GonNa Start off as a workload right I. I don't think out of all of them. girly informed that tend to have the least amount of competition I. You know I. Think Chris Thompson Joke. Don't get me wrong. He's never been injured. He's he's always been injured every year, so it's like. Why am I going to believe to be healthy for sixteen games so I know that's a concern. Right for people taking away past touches and things of that nature but four. That had two touchdowns last year, so you gotta figure with the offensive better. We Dj, Shark Jane You feel like more red zone opportunities for next should I would hope getting. More along with even eighty percent of the you know, catch rate production even if it's a little less hopefully more yards, hoping more big runs, you know I do I. Do and I think they're the same risk in that group area. There's a lot of question marks, but a lot of upside so when you need a running back especially, if you don't start off running back running back I think he's okay. One. That kind of start off before you start taking tickets later. Yeah, I had a massive season last year, too, and obviously, and for some positive touchdown aggression, so you'd like to think that as good as he was last year. Could even maybe a little bit better this year? We'll see I wanNA talk to you about the receivers here because this is a draft, or you know of. Seen Dominic so many fantasy drafters talked a deep wide receiver position heading You know trying to get running backs early I just WanNa. Get your take on one of the football. Guys drafts recently start off with Michael Thomas and then you took the Andrea Hopkins in the second round, wide receiver wide receiver. He's trying to take us through that process of why you started that draft off like that. Yeah so I mean I've done the heavy green which we'll talk about it and everyone seems to be easy path to go this year at least kind of safest path, right going green, you know running back running back in the beginning but we saw last year, what happened with the peanut won the five hundred thousand or the to fifty. WHATEVER THE FIRST PRIZE! What the Last year! It was was Thomas and Julio Right. So would you do enough of these You WanNa mix and match. How starving Rosser Constructs so getting Thomas where I got him and then be able to get hopping. Even going to a new team I had to take the shot and you know essentially. Build around that core knowing that those are going to be my wife and wide receiver to every week and I don't have to play. Wha! What's the wide receiver position? And then that's where I took for that and swift, and trying to build your running back that way you know, because if they hit then you're in a really good spot on a real manage especially headed into hopefully to play us. We fourteen sixteen. It's all about high upside. I like that too y. you know one of the things that we've talked about on. This show has been backfield's. We I think we talked about the Lions Backfield to death. We talked about the bill's backfield. They've one of the backfield that we really haven't talked about. And I think we should dominic about. Is this interesting one? That's going on in Los Angeles with the chargers right now. Yeah I! I actually really curious to hear your taking talk much about this, which is weird because we usually talk about the same like six topics. Several Times on the same show. Yeah Awesome. Justin Jackson and Josh Kelley the rookie How do you see the chargers dividing up? The backfield carries between those three I'm really interested to hear what you have to say. Yeah so I think for me, Justin. Jackson's outright I just think from his performance. He had a chance last year. To Kinda sees what Melvin Gordon's. You know at least touches would have been in the first. Half of the season and really dropped the ball with it. Right equity kind of took the reins there, so we know. We know he's going to continue to get. The first. One looks Kelly I think Kelly was really good at UCLA. I think they know actor from. He's more productive in, less there's like he gets more big. Bang snaps right, so they don't WanNa be rolling them out there, you know. You know Christian McCaffrey type Sal. Maybe you know. Maybe they end up doing it, but I think car himself out or roll, only going to increase throughout the year and you know in the round eleven twelve thirteen range I'm targeting them in trying to get him and draft I. Think Him and Antonio my to I. Want you know if I could leave their draft especially if I receivers early there, my zero rb targets for sure. Gibson's probably another guy. We'll get into later on in the show Dominic Rhodia, seven time football guys, players, championship medal winner, joining the HSF our tonight keeping it on the running back tip here. Dominic another backfield that I'm intrigued with one of these guys, not necessarily the other one. What's your take on on Matt Breda in Jordan Howard is stacking both those dolphins running backs, a good idea and f. p. c. dress, or are you just more likely willing to take shot on one and not the other? Yeah so I, stacked in one of mine when I needed. When I went more wide receiver heavy with Delvin Cook. which you is a whole `nother thing now, but I've been taking Howard. Pretty much in the same realm they've been doing Kelly and gets in I prefer him over Brita. I know Howard has done it before the bears granted. It was a rookie season, but even on Philly last year before he was out, he was productive. Brita has big hits. I understand I see. I see well respected players that do a Lotta draft. Take Him. Earlier they take, say target him on I. Just Prefer Howard and the tenth and eleventh, and that's kind of where he's living and I think he's going to be the first and second down back in. He's GonNa. Get you know especially with to if he's GonNa, get you know I, think two hundred plus carries if he stays healthy, and I rather have that if I'm going zero RV or just need a flex running back to make sure I'm covered. I rather have Jordan. Howard ingred. Now one of the other things to keep in mind to as much as we like, Brita and what he did in San Francisco, bear in mind that he was up quite a bit, and was you know always a friend of the training room and that's something that I think we'll have to keep in mind. You may not like Jordan. but when you got volume guy like that that late day, but it would certainly make some sense speaking of volume. Guys in the Washington passing offense. Yeah, so I'm trying to think who else. Who else is there okay, so we have two oxen. He's gone. We have Jeremy's sprinkled. Fight in Tonio Gibson we just talked about who sort of like a running back wide receiver horrid type. He's not yes. Well I'm just saying like listeners are running back. Look is the commissioner I. don't even bring up the. Bite my tongue on that one ladies and gentlemen. All Right, hang on, let me come. Back we want to leave him as Larry. Let's not let's not. Off emails right so charitable answer if you get more and more on the. Tear! maclaurin becomes a top fifteen this season. I mean it'll be I. He can do it for sure I. Think it'll be close. I just wrapped them in, and that's my one where I went running back heavy You know he's very consistent. tested cut-rate. These you know top there you know he's got Haskins. Which is downturn. Right you. You get worried about that, but. Like you guys were talking about when you're figuring out. WHO's there? WHO's there? Right? You got you got sins. You Got Heart Harmon and you know it's really not much else outside the backs Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so I mean I look, I think. Is Target. Share is going to be twenty five percent plus he's going to get fed from Haskins i. you know he's going GonNa continue to pepper, and he did well the second half of the season with Haskins, so it's not like you've got to drop off. I would hope has a little bit better. He gets a little bit better series. Good enough to win. Contested balls especially jump balls. If you know has two. Two Girls I think he can easily be not only I think he can be tough time. He really could I think he's got the talent. He's Michael Junior Michael Shooting Michael Thomas, junior and I think i. think he's going to be a start in this league. You know whether it happens all the way this year or not. You know we'll remains to be seen, but these receivers are breaking faster than ever before so. Dominant, did you did you snatch McLaren any for chief of last year in any, there's a rookie like before. He kind of broke out. We did yeah so me and my partner. Brandon yet he was I. he was on early before even I even really knew about him. He was snapping them up in every league that he could so. We got we got some. Pretty good right when you when you out. So where did you guys? He's taking enough rookies like fourth round like. Third Fourth Oh. Yeah, third fourth you know. He was in that range and I think waiver on one league to I. Don't even talk drops in them up. Yeah, so. It was yeah. We just targeted him. We picked them up in worked out so far. That's right, and if you WANNA pick up. Terry, maclaurin, waivers and Dynasty Leagues Check Out. The Dynasty Leagues MIF FTC DOT. com startups going off right now. Make sure you check it out and you can. do dominant cats here and get a guy like McLaren waivers, you know. One of the last questions I'm GONNA. Ask You for your I. Mean Rookie Drafts are done for most people but everybody. Maybe we'll. We'll try I have three rookie draft. No four have four, no three. I've here in Kentucky. Which is ridiculous? I have one rookie dress off. Why isn't it started yet? Because the commissioner impose like. I he's like. Oh, we're changing the rookie draft so August, because it you know more information is available on all right, whatever all right so kinda answered the rhetorical question before who else is in Washington besides guys, you already mentioned the only other one I'll say is an Tonio Gandhi Golden, who obviously has a shot at being a number one type receiver, maybe a number two in Washington, but it's not gonNA happen this year and Dominic. Totally agree with your targets here. I think with with McLaren. It's. It's going to be twenty five plus maybe thirty percent that's GONNA. Make him volume guy in Washington's not a great team, so they should be peppering him early and often Okay, let's ship. We talk about receivers here Dominic let's talk about running back in your draft so far. The football guys draft so far this season. Have you loaded up to start off your drafts? With three running backs for running backs often has been once in while. How have you sort of utilize that strategy in your drafts? Yeah so the one I just decided I'm in now. I started off four running backs. I started off. Chimera Jones girly David Johnson. And just just to do it that way. I've done I think I think real total with this one has been running back heavy out of. The debate that I've done so far so good percentage right on past. Know on track to do I think it's just so easy to start off running. Especially, you're at the top of the draft. If you get one of you know, Zeke. McCaffrey Barclay or even you know you get. Henry Sanders Nixon. Like any of those guys come like you can build it in. In the second round and third round, and then just hammered receivers, you know four through seven I just think a lot of people are doing it. I think that's going to be a popular play is the heavy running backs Because it's just it's easier to build, and you need to have some exposure to. It so that's why definitely gonNA keep doing it. So Dominic. Let me ask you this. If you think a there's going to be a good amount of people doing it, it is the value still in in trying to do that as well to get these running backs early, or would you rather zag when everybody else is digging in and do maybe a couple of year Arby's. How do you fall in on that? Yeah, so I've done it. Just depends on the volume. You're doing right. If you're doing one of these contest to these contests, you know it's a little nothing. You can't do it right. That's a total zag, but it's all about percentages of your team right so I mean for me, I don't feel comfortable zagging if I'm doing kind of all I. You know I don't Wanna Zag on all right. I mean you need to have some exposure to that kind of construction, because if you're wrong, and it is the right way, then you're screwed right, so you WanNa, make sure that you know it depends on the amount of teams depends how comfortable you are! Zagging, fun, it is you know because it looks nice. Having those receivers especially did four in a row one of mine, and it gets really talk, I'll tell you. It doesn't feel great when you're in around seven through eleven trying to piece together running back, so you know, enter at your own risk. It could definitely pay off if you do hit on those white ones. I think you need to have a mixture of combos. Let me, Donna let me fire a question from the chat. wasp guy wants to know who your favorite round pick in redraft is and and I. Guess if it's a kicker, you can just tell us your nineteenth round, and if that's defense, you can just tell us your favorite eighteenth round pick, but basically your. Skill position pick in redraft. Who's been your favorite thus far? So I've been taking them in everyone. Um, I think one I haven't but Brian Edwards for The biggest raiders yeah, so coming up. Injury should be good to go. I think I just think he's the most talented one out of whatever they have there even with rugs I think he's going to step in big body slot, Guy He. He was really good in college until that injury happened so I, you know we'll see again. It's worst case scenario. He doesn't get back on the field and drop them and use them as a waiver, but I definitely will hold him for least four to five weeks. That see how that shakes out. Because I do think he's got a lot of upside potential on that on that offense with not a lot of competition. I'm loving him and dynasty to I'll tell you that. Yeah absolutely Oh, here! We're quickly. He's talking about you. Samuel wants to bring him up again. We get dominates the thoughts of the people here. Under four months. Evidently, it's twelve weeks until the season starts. How far you moving you bow down on your draft board. draftable not drafted him. Simple as that. Wow, that's crazy. No, thank you, okay. Because you don't want to draft a player that's going to be essentially coming into the season either without a preseason or or hurt is. Is that what it is? Or Why is the undrafted? so if you recall I think sometimes we forget history of players with these injuries. They are brutal and they re-injure them especially if he gets rushed back like they're talking, he wants to get back if he's back by. Let's say best case scenario. He'd first. We told her right. He gets on the field a game. Maybe working something conditioning here to sorta got out for the year. Right? That's scenario. One scenario to never comes back right because either. They signed a receiver Antonio Brown which we've heard the rumors. Of whispers. We'll see whatever that comes up or my sleeper of that does Bryant that I feel like he's got a chance to. By the Niners, but I just don't I i. don't see it I. don't see it, he you know. He gets a lot of his points on running. He was. He's a Stud I. Think he's GonNa be great dynasty body low especially if you can get them but I do not see him in a meaningful way stepping back on the field this year, and not re himself or making it through the full year if he does. Okay so the follow up to that. Dominic is obviously if you don't like Deebo Samuel. That's fine, but who who are you bumping up for? The niners pass catchers then is it simply just kittles going to be a monster, or is there some value in one of the other receivers there? Yeah so I think it all. We saw I think I think you guys probably saw last night he went one seven and a draft. I saw on Mojo So you know people are moving to. The rookie readiness Yuki. Pronounce it He's GonNa. Be Shooting out. He's GonNa be in double round. They'll probably be around nine before this. You know once we hear you know, whispered somehow. Training videos are going on twitter. I'm sure. In the single digits. kenyan-born is interesting. Right I mean Kendrick born. He gets targeted in the Red Zone I. You know I. You gotTa Heavy Target. Guy he, he does his job. He does it well, but they knew him in scoring situation, so maybe they get him a little more involved in the passing game throughout the drives instead of just red zone, and he actually gets a five or fifty was a touchdown I just don't think this team's GonNa. Be Pass heavy I think it's kiddle and everyone else kind of has their moments, and then they just rely on. You know the running game. You kind of go from there. Dominic. Let's get to some emails here. That came in from listeners. This is a good one for you to kick things off about the bears. This is from bill in Centennial Colorado Bill with one L. by the way interesting. Hi, Dominic! How much if at all the Chicago's quarterback choice change Alan Robinson's value. Good luck this season. Thank you for the bill in Centennial Colorado so I. Don't know if this makes a difference to you at all. With with Robinson, that does it change if nick foles throwing to them or trubisky throwing them. How do you fall in on this? They really liked the rub it in from because I'm from Chicago. I have to deal with the Mitch Trubisky Bockel. Provided him home. I gotta I gotTa feed this question. yeah I mean what they brought goals in. I'm holding onto one last hope that they're using at the motivator Bisky I coach while fold i. don't see how full doesn't start I think either one is L. Robinson's third around or I think he's a Stud I think kid. You know. That's one of the guys. Again took a year to recover from an injury, but once he did. He started right so I think either way really matters. I would take Robinson no matter who the quarterback is We might see both of them this year. Twin. Girls in Chicago with the bears and you know they're. They're personnel southwe. We'll see, but yeah take Robinson. Don't sweat it. He's going to be. It's one way or the other. A couple of good teams in that answer their the Mitch trubisky debacle and anything goes in Chicago I think those are both solid team wonderful. Allen Allen Robinson by the way as Dominic pointed out so astutely he is going as the three. Oh seven on average. Right now wide receiver town right behind Kennedy Golladay and Odell Beckham Right Ahead Dj more and Amari Cooper one of the positions we don't talk about on. This show is quarterback, but Anthony and San. Francisco is changing that right now. He writes. Hey, dominic with so many teams waiting on quarterbacks to super deep levels again this year. Does it make sense to try and gain an advantage by drafting Jackson or Mahomes early? Thank you Anthony and San Francisco Dominic quite frankly I don't know if you've drafted. Either of those guys early What do you believe that there's an advantage there or are you still waiting? So funny thing we just need Jerry could foresee and frank, slad both players. We all play the together people on we. You guys seen this before the main event. We just had this discussion in WanNa, frame stress where it was Lamar Jackson at three nine, and it's like. How do you not taking their You know if you might take a quarterback early. I'm so Amelia against taking a quarterback early, but even I was setting. Self saying well. It's three nine Jackson. I can't see the I don't like it. I feel dirty taking it, but I can see where it works. I've seen teams even Franks game. Was it worked out that way? I'm just taking Daniel Jones round thirteen every time I want no one else. Just give me him and sleep like a baby and that's. All right. It's a main event draft. Pick for eleven Mar. Jackson's on availow. saw. Four eleven on. You got me there day. I think I. Take Four. Oh, it's already already got seen in that area. I mean that value I. Don't think I'm making the four four, two four two four threes interesting to it's you know the take one of those receivers, or do you just take? Oh? That's a camp. Makers range before eleven did think about that draft we. Have Partially Godwin and then like you know like. Let's say Mark Andrews, and then come back with Lamar Jackson that the four love Rainbow, trout, that would be. That would be. The rain. Doing early quarterback in early, but nobody would fall for it because you're getting a hookup and you're getting Lamar Jackson. That'd be one unique. Arrive, yeah. I will say that I will say this last point to that. At least you know, unless there's an injury mahomes Lamar. Jackson are not busting for you. You can still bust what someone else in the third round right now busing those quarterback, so at least you know that going in the state had to do it. You know so. All right are one of our. Questions good work, thank you. WHO's the players? You've been avoiding and draft so far this year in a player even targeted in the mid to late around unfortunately for you, you play redraft and dynasty I would like an answer for both and I would also have you don't have one. Hand I mean that's fine, but you know you might have a and you cannot use the words Brian or Edwards and this response. Okay, that's fair. That's fair avoiding Mike. Williams I want no part of them I. Get the upside. I ate, and you cost me four thousand dollars then last year. I don't want any part of them. You know so i. don't think tyrod Taylor. He Yeah I can't do it. He just I. Don't think we're tyrod Taylor. It's GonNa be checked down sitting there just. Who have one or two games I don't know he just doesn't excite me at all, and I know people like taking him. You know early ten, sometimes, even earlier but no thanks Who I'm targeting Antonio Gibson. Obviously, that's one of them. you know before the you know before the issues. When voting was, another guy was targeting around fifteen sixteen. I think he was a great. You know could still be great handcuff for Jacob's but one of the guys I think everyone say no surprise to just in Jefferson I think he sliding right into I, think he's GonNa be looking receiver. Hinderaker had the chance I think Jackson. Jefferson is really good and I think he's going to. Put up some fantasy never share for people and I think he's going to have some really good games in that offense and he's GonNa have role carved off right away. you know I think he's GonNa. Do well up there in the domes. Potentially Dalvin Cook we'll see and we just found out that Jefferson is GonNa be played primarily on the inside, which is what he did at Lsu and got all that fantasy goodness from birth to so something. Be Paying attention to their. We're always paying attention to whatever dominic he says given his success as a seven medal winner in the football. Guys, Players Championship dominant can't thank you enough for hopping aboard this week. Good luck in all your dress, the rest of the and hopefully we'll talk again soon and hopefully we'll see you out in Vegas to. Hey anything can happen. We'll see I'll be doing main events this year and I'll be looking for Jackson now. At four eleven. You promised me. Dave so I'M GONNA. Wait to see it There one week. Making. WanNa. Make sure he gets there for me when I when I'm live. Okay, I'm going to be tapping you on the shoulder, but verbal contract. You know all right they they do so much. I appreciate a lot of fun. Thanks, thanks, Dominic care by the way follow dominic on twitter at F. F. P. C. D. R. Three one three seven time champ in the football. Football guys players championship I don't I don't mean this as a as a bad or as a slight to any of our guests from the Chicago land area. Don't they have a specific way of talking? I love it I I. I Yeah, that's I. I. Don't mean it in a bad way because it's so engaging. Yeah, just like people from Wisconsin stupid. For that did you see that comment from from the prognosticator tonight about how I need to get a? What did he say? Vocal coach? yeah I saw that young are swag private slack shot. You know I gave Alex some props earlier, but I mean it's not like this guy's without an accident. We know Dave No, I'm not going to I, mean he? He just spent his first ten years in Russia for God's sake so. He lives in Russia that long. Yeah! I didn't realize that. You know what I'm like. Some people actually value the freedom that America grants you. God, that's a frigging. Stephen Right there, no, but in any event like. I I don't. There's something so engaging about like? I JUST WANNA. Keep talking to guys at the Chicago back. You know we bring up the fun. Joe Dell's narrow a lot Joe Don matter is a guy that I love talking to as well you all the mind. Joe Deals and their own dominic grow to. You have to have one thing in common. Yeah, O Paulo for their last names. Talian. I love. I people are fun. It's like. You know it's like you WanNa tell you in a restaurant. What are you have you red wine? You know fat Karbi Food Yeah like a robust wife. Robust life well, don't they? Don't they? Sleep in positive racism I'm not no, no, no, don't tell you racist issues anymore, but it's like seriously speaking. Don't they? Sleep in work a few hours and then they like. Take the afternoon off and then the Yester-? No, no, no, no, no, no, and then they'll work like all of Europe. All of Europe does this. They worked like seven or eight at night, and then they just party all night. Yeah, and then that's why they always sleep in correct. I know that the Liechtenstein Guineans are famous for this, which is I, think mostly southern Europe because the Germans work really hard on a time. Timely manner, English people do the same, but like. Italy and Spain and Greece Malta. They're all supposedly really weighs you down there because it's so hot grease I've heard you know this is the second conversation about multi I've had today. Really Yeah I was talking with with our good buddy our mutual friend troublemaker L. Guerande. We were talking because he. He's a big poker player and he was telling me where the poker rooms are open, whether or not like. Venetian has their poker room. Oprah. Lazio has their poker room open. He says they're playing five handed at the Venetian. He's like I gotta get out. The action has got to be incredible. Handed Poker, but yeah, we because he's got an APP that tells you where all the poker rooms, and all the casinos where where there and he's like their crushing it and Malta right now. I don't even know where that is, and I had to think about I'm like. Yeah. I think it's in the Mediterranean, but I as an island, it's an island country that is north of Libya east of Tunisia and south of Italy is what we found out of those four countries. You mentioned I. Only go to Italy and Malta Italy. Owner unusual and I'm not. I'm like dude if I ever go to fraud trucks into your news. Yes exactly Okay, so let's get into I. Don't get the emails quite yet. 'cause. There's a couple of things I WANNA hit on before we get to that. That were in the news this week. the Charlotte Observer Dave I know you're a subscriber. They had a story this week from pants. Reggie Bonhoeffer, no, and not about who is handcuffed for you and and Carolina serious question. Is it bonafide? Is it Mike? Daily know who else are. Mike Davis is there. Yeah, I mean it okay, hundred eighty our summer so I guess the answer is you're not if you get McCaffrey you're just trying on the whole I would backup well what I would do. What would you look It's you know it's obviously around twenty six and a best ball I go to football. GUYS DOT COM. They look at their click on their charts. I see McCaffrey. I actually bonafide most of the second I'm like Oh this guy still available and he's supposed to be the handcuffs. I'll take him. All right, so that's who that's. Who would be in the twentieth. You take bonafide if you get McCaffrey at the one on one oh. Yeah, okay, what? My private dynasty Lee you are which one gridiron legend great. Curry was asking what happened to Lance and they said he's in a dynasty league with you and I. Yeah! He'll be out there for sure I if he can get out of the dispensary in time Okay, so let's talk about this report from the Charlotte Observer here Dave Joe Brady who's the new offensive coordinator under Matt Rule says. Curtis Samuel is going to be quote critical to success for the panthers. Offense Quo Curtis's a playmaker. He fits all the vote. We're looking for in this type of offense A. A Guy that you can utilize all around the field and get the ball in hands and good things happen all right so last year Samuel had nine carries and eleven catches after Scott Turner, whose North Turner. Son took over the play calling duties there, and it sounds like Joe Brady wants to utilize him and get him involved whether it Turner, so the offensive coordinator. No job is now okay saying. Well I mean Joe Brady's talking up. Though, too. I'm actually thinking about McCaffrey because norv Turner. All your wife running back. into the turf McCaffrey's I. Mean He's. He's a slam dunk one on one, I don't think there's now. Back to all right, they're still Robbie Anderson. There's still DJ more the aforementioned. Christian McCaffrey in Thomas Their Curtis Samuel Right now in football guys, Leagues Dave has an eighty P of fourteen eleven as wide receiver sixty two. Now I know that doesn't seem like much. There I. Would you be looking at him? And all this I think between the two of us? You have always been the guy who has defended Curtis Samuel and liked him more I. Don't. I've never particularly cared for them, but can you sell me on Curtis Samuel this year? It's a little. It's a little tough to sell you on I He had yeah. Hi, FI NAM score in the NFL, so he was a good prospect. the problem for me is is charged. Share Marcus. Share whatever you great, yeah? So much, Dj more. McCaffrey museum more both like superstar. I mean really. True McCaffrey and more yeah, restart caliber players. They should really command a ton of targets you in Thomas is pretty seemingly pretty solid. And Robbie Anderson was legitimate player. I mean grant. He would probably run a random bunch of nine routes for the jets and I'm not sure if he's going to do anything else here. That might be the same. Route. Thirty five catches for whatever I'm you Sanyal is a town I would actually look at the fourteenth I seen him in baseball. Draft's going way way way later. Twenty twenty th. Factoring kickers defenses maybe not the twenty, but the eighteenth nineteenth so I think Samuel in ball is better than reader. I think that's where I'd be looking at just for football guys, players championship purposes. He is going right behind Alshon Jeffery and his real life teammate Robbie Anderson, and he is going right in front of Nikial. Harry, t higgins and golden taped. One thing I would do is if I did have dropped DJ more. I think Samuel is actually legitimately all caliber. Yeah, handcuff! WHY RECEIVER! You, often no 'cause. He's super, cheap and DJ more. You spend a lot of money on it, but if did you have more goes down. Samuel, we'll step into that role, and he will be pretty damn. See Okay so that that's my question with Anderson and Samuel going so close together. If you were going to do that, handcuffing Dj more type thing, you would actually go towards the pedigree. Curtis Samuel over the overpaid Robbie Anderson. Samuel has more of a talent stack. That just translates better. What Dj more is doing and running running. Running different routes, you know so I. I feel like he would command more targeting better all right, so let's get emails here. We'll fly through him as much as we can. Watch guy also at a chatroom question Dave. He wants to zero B is still viable this year and we're a fan of it. Not Answer that I i. still like it and I think people are quick to throw it to the curb. After last year we we saw not a whole lot of running back injuries and or boss in the first round and. And I think people are like. Are We doing zero R B? When look at all the excess that people had last year last year was was kind of an outlier as far as running back injuries, and I will not be going zero R B in every single one of my drafts this year I think quite frankly i. think if only done it once maybe twice so far this season and those were Kentucky draft where it's a more of a wide receiver. You know you gotTA. Make sure you get. Those guys locked up I love as you know to my own detriment I love the modified zero RV where you take the running back in the first round, and then pound out for receivers and a tight end, and then started attacking the running back position again but I. Don't think we should throw it to the curb yet. Just because of a of a quasi twenty nineteen season at the position. Well I think the year before to. It was kind of similar like it's been like a two year kind of semi drought for yeah for zero be. I is a little bit of recency biased. I don't think it's I definitely think it's a strategy that does work in the part of the problem though with. In F. FCC format because you can start four running back, and because people are pounding running back, it gets dry, super facet running. Yeah, you actually do it, you you can. Really. You can run into a lot of problems in Maybe like four or five teams take three or four running backs, and you're in some dire. Even even you know you're looking at. Oh, where am I? Crap? That's all right they way. You Daryl Henderson at-bat. You know what I mean like. Chase Edmunds is getting a lot of steam lately. As far as zero R B A guy. It's like yeah, you you really like have some people that are viable to start week. One Right? Yeah, you have to yeah, so I don't. Don't know I think that's a little bit. It's a little bit challenging, but I mean you. Receivers are going to be fantastic, and if you hit those running backs, I mean there are waiver wire candidates. I mean some leagues. Maybe Joshua. Kelly gets dropped week one, and then who yeah, and then he's available for you, so even things happen and it doesn't you, don't you? Don't get a lot of impact wide receivers off the waiver wire. You get some but not. Really Stud Yeah. That's true. Let's get a couple emails here before we wrap things up and I I want Dustin in Warren Michigan is the Washington backfield worth trying to examine the season, or should I just stay away? Thanks for all you do is Dustin Warren Michigan this is interesting, too because I saw I think it was the football guys emailed today. no football. Guys email a couple of. Of days ago, said that there is a a t Washington reporter beat reporter and said that a team source told him that Peterson and guys are expected to split the first and second down carries and JD mckissick is going to be third down guy there. They've I. Don't there's nothing to like about that sentence? No I don't like any any of you like the. To the Peterson stuff is your draft abuse and the twenty fifth round I. Yes, but I mean I don't think he's been going there quite frankly. I'm just GONNA look it up here. Real quick where he's going and football guys. Yes, I. Yeah, he's an eighteenth round. Pick so that I guess that's fine, but guys in the seventh round. No, thank you. I don't understand. I don't get that okay, yeah I. Just Gary, schedule. Like the ninth or time Darius, guys Ronald Jones Roggio Darius Geyser Alexander Madison. WHO's been rising upwards? A I think it would take. Guys had other boy, Darius guys having Coleman. Harry's guys or Marlin Mac. Mac I'M GONNA? Take Yeah, exactly all right curtain where the hell is Texas town free ONA curtain. Free Ona Texas who is your pick at three guys Kamera or Elliott or should I just get angle with Michael Thomas? Kurt apologized for not recognizing your town. Thank you email. Who Do, you like better, Kamera Elliott. I Have A. Thought on this also. I would take a mirror. And if you WANNA, put five on it I would. Do I get to hear your argument for my argument is this I, think? Camaro was playing hurt quite a bit last year, and from what from the eye test and this is what I read from a Lotta beat reporters, saying that this guy was playing it like seventy seventy five percent gutting it out, and because he is as talented as he was They put him on the field. Because it's Alan at seventy, five percent is still awesome. Ezekiel Elliott. We heard from several guests on this show that they saw the wearing down aspect last year already and now you get Mike McCarthy in there. WHO LOVES THESE THREE WIDE RECEIVER SETS? And what do they do in the first round? Round draft CD lamb so now you have Prescott, who, through for like five thousand yards that last year still Amari Cooper Gal who caught eleven, hundred plus yards last year and CD lamb, who I think was the best wide receiver in this entire rookie class. I think that compare it to me is going to get more touches, and by and large score more and get more fantasy point so I will take, and I have done this I've taken Kamera over Elliott in I probably own them like four leagues already this year. I like I like him a lot. 'cause argument all right I'll bet all right so most fantasy points in F. FCC season I got five Alvin Kamara also e. Just real quick. Would you take Michael Thomas over either of them? I would not no I wouldn't either, and it's not because you know I I know that there's going to be a regression for Thomas this year, but I still think he has a fantastic season. I just think that with those elite of running backs. You gotta get one of those guys and let Thomas go to somebody else and get your receiver value later that that's where I would I would look at Ron. Jeremy already saying. Kamera went three in the eight thirty football guys tonight. So there you go on that one moving on. To more emails, maybe one more. Deer Jason and Dallas I'm going with the League tight ends early of my drafts. Who would you rather go with as a backup then between Blake Darwin and Jack Doyle Love Your show that is Tom. In youngstown Ohio Tom Thank you for your draft patronage. Assuming you're drafting on the PC platform and thank you for your email. They'd be like as we're just talking about the cowboys passing game, you like Jar, win better, or do you like Jack Doyle in Indianapolis better this year as far as a backup, tight end for an elite guy that you're drafting early. I would probably go with toil, and why and why are you going oil? Just because of tragic? Just listen to you. Tell me about all of the. Player. I didn't realize slowing you on this one. Galaxy, lamb, blah, blah cooper ezekie Elliott. Where's German fifth or sixth, or you know Blake for Christ like guys terrible. You, guys named Blake No. Okay I, also like Jack, doyle. Before I figured Amos stupid, but so you know e Brian this year in Indianapolis on your way home, and then you have a rookie and you have underperforming Paris Campbell. And what else is there anything who am I missing jogging? Holly she's still bumming around there. He's probably hanging out in the parking lot. Yeah, but you know Neem hines hines on back Marlon Mack and Jonathan Taylor has one and she backs. WHO's? Killer Vescio Pie become two three back there, and maybe not this year. I don't know I think I'm with you. I agree I think he sold me on it. After I sold you on the Dallas wide receivers you sold me on doyle. and. They were related. Who get all right one last email? What's up? GUYS IN FOOTBALL? Guys dress with rookie wide out. Do you like better between Jerry Judy and Henry Drugs? Excuse me thank you to Shane. And WE HAWK IN NEW JERSEY for that one. They've We talked about rugs last week with that nasty leg injury, which it seems like he, he's GonNa come out all for the better here. The little the little boo boo. Hi! We're had crutches and everything I. Think it's more than the divers, so do you like so well? No, it's not deebo Samuel so rugs versus Gary, Judy this year, my date, no matter who it is the date until the season starts to still the same. It's still twelve weeks. I get it but I. Don't think this is going to a twelve week. Injury for Rugs Hanson my point. Oh Shit all right, okay. I got an injury doesn't matter if twelve weeks old. Okay, so now now we're talking just talent versus talent situations situations. Judy versus rugs. Who you got well, obviously because of what I just said Rug I think you. good stuff I think judy salad better. I feel like the team I think he's going to integrate of your offense better. I think actually. Walk better than my wife's car. Already? Yeah, no, there's there's something to be said for that. washed guy, says Judy. Running ability is the key. I. Okay in this draft I thought cd-rom Jerry Judy. We're on a tear above everybody else rugs guy, and and this is why you can't trust me on this I've never liked rugs because he was a guy that was committed to Florida state to play there, and then flipped to Alabama and I always hated it because I watched rugs. Just crush it for Alabama the other thing to keep in mind. Though, he didn't really perform performed a lot better than the Florida state receivers that we hit us fine, but I mean real in reality. Though that was probably that was the other thing is his US under he didn't really. Had never had a thousand yard season, right? So I mean he's playing with other guys other starts again, but if you're a star, be a star I. Mean you know what I'm saying? To Jarvis Landry, suck because he was playing with Odell Beckham. No, they're both great and effort and Devante Smith Jerry. Judy are both great. Mean really. But hold on, but maybe if Justin Jefferson would have been at Lsu with Beckham and Landry. He might have not done so great, but we're not denigrating him right. Oh well, maybe you're. Kidding but I know what you're saying that or who's who's the guy that Josh Shah? Who is the Patriots Earth swingers movie the Guy, behind the? No, No, who was the guy back in the day the Patriots drafted him. He was like a slot guy. A wide receiver at Lsu name was Josh something, and Boyce boy Josh Boys Boys. Hold on I gotTA. Look this up Yeah I really like many. Suck Yeah. He totally Josh Read Josh read. That's who it was. Are you sure yes, Josh read? That's where I'm at the guy that we just or you're from a right now or you know no, no, not right now. This is back in the day. He was a receiver lsu. He wasn't with he was pre. Beckenham Pre Landry and he was a guy that the Patriots drafted and I was like this guy's GonNa be great draft draft choice and twenty thirteen before thrown, but go ahead from Lsu. TCU Oh TCU. Yeah. Yeah, okay, no, Josh rate. You remember this guy. If I showed you a picture, he was going to be a slot type guy. He's going to catch like eighty ninety balls. You know from Tom Brady and was going to be great was awful and quite frankly he was better than Josh Boys, but he was still awful. It was funny Anyway we're. We're wandering down a path. That's going to take us well into. Kill Harry. Is You never have go? I don't think so I and. Because the Patriots drafted him in the first round, and and their track record with that is terrible. All right, that's. It's not really agree that's no. It's terrible. Argument I just. I, go back to what Lou. Tranquillity has said on this show before former guests of not only show with high stakes low. He's an idiot. Now. He kinda attributed this to running backs rookie running backs. He gives them like four five, maybe six games, and then he's really ready to form an opinion on after that and by and large. If you look at the history, you know that's that's more true than that. You know most of the time most of the time. Yeah, and I've sort of applied at the other rookies to now I don't think you can apply that to tight ends or quarterbacks really but I think there's something to be separate receivers and he had a didn't even injury. Harry was hurt for quite a while last year. But now look at what the situation is. Now now he's catching passes from hoyer and stem or whatever but that's I'm not trying to. You know totally pimp him or anything. But WHO's he looking? Who's this competition receiver? Ataman when. He's an compliment. Cattleman meant like for all right right. Yeah, he's got to send you. Who May I mean? That guy could be caught by the way. They treat a second round. Pick for I. This is what I've heard, and this is the scuttle butt on the Internet Rubio on your other. No, no, no, no! MARQUEES lead. They signed. That's nothing matthew slater. He's a special teamer. Jacoby Myers Guy Sucks. Demere bird that then there's nothing there so to your point Dave, there is not a whole lot else there, but the board is bear. They drafted those two rookie tight ends in after the Aussie and Dalton. Shit Man. That's nothing. I just I don't I. Don't use the thing by the time they get some good. I'm not convinced first of all. I think choir stinks. It's just saying. Even a bad quarterback throws for three thousand yards and etta mental catch two thousand. All over the place whenever you know whenever I like Dude Adamant is the Guy I, said over and over on this show like target Ataman this year. You'RE GONNA catch time passes to factor in Sony. Michelle for like you know fifty yards of receiving for the year. Let's fifty well James White squall games white. We'll catch for Jimmy, exactly waiter over know how twenty four hundred yards, but kidding aside though I just I. Look at this from the standpoint of like okay well. What's Harry going to be like? How good is he going to be on the outside? Catching passes from de Hoyer and I'm GonNa put it on record. Record, I like Mikhael areas sleeper okay third. That's that's fine. If you're still listening I, do not touch on. I'll tell you this right now. kill Harry is going and football drafts yesterday. He went his wide receiver sixty four at fifteen, zero two. That's right behind Curtis Samuel and Golden Tate and it's right ahead of T. Higgins Paris, Campbell and Denzel mims. Actually life that slotting quite a bit I would. I would like him way more than those other clowns. who'd you take between Samuel and Harry if you didn't own DJ more? I would probably take Harry because the upside. But it's actually kind of you know what I think I would agree with you there In the Golden, goal and interesting, because you supposed to do with slayton shepherd, but TESA talented player and he came in mid year last year. You know I. I kinda like a little bit yeah. They got they got late in the. Fourth Round pick back when he was yeah, but I mean I just you know Barclay and Ingram. No thanks `tatoes play the most talented receiver out of those three he might, and that's still might not be enough to warrant a fourteen round. Pick on them. Yeah, you're right. still being rumored you yeah, okay, I'll tell you two guys that are going after them. Then I think I like better than Harry and this may be a mistake on my part. This is the whole mystery box thing with me. I think I'd rather have T. Higgins because I don't trust Aj. Green and I do trust the bengals to suck all the ball up. Don't care for TA okay. No, that's a hard pass. He's like. He's my draft. Okay, all right I. Just I think that they're going to be throwing a ton there this year and we saw a job for the job throws on. He's GonNa, make a lot of places. You have the credit for one year in college. Good exactly and all this crush one year for me. Fantasy Denzel mims I I think I like two better than Harry well. It's the same argument I. think that Bill. Belichick is going to run the ball a lot this year I. don't I don't I'm not saying I. Think New England is going to be in a lot of slobber knockers this year and it's there's not. He's not gonNA be lofting the ball to Harry involving him heavily. If I think it's GonNa be adult, but you have a gunslinger Sam darnold launching bombs to mins. You Kid around with that I've that serious. That's what's GonNa Happen I. Don't understand why this is such a weird by the way I do think darnold has been kind of you know he was twenty. In, the NFL I think he's been crapped on a little bit too much to I think he might actually come around. Yeah, I like him this year Do you like pair Perriman do? I, don't I, don't I? Don't mind that because he's super cheap. I mean he's he's borderline for you. See and that's the reason I don't like. This is the last two years. He's done nothing and then the last few weeks of the year. He crushes it. Which I guess is good for fantasy playoffs, but I gotta yards there. I liked men in the whole pre-draft process. You know and and I still like him rookie or not, it go that well especially off the Damian Harris Value Twenty Twenty to me. It's not that high because. we have seen what Bill Belichick does with these new. England running backs. I, know everybody got excited. We talked about this on the show last last week about everybody got excited about Harris when Michelle had another surgery, and it looks like he might even be breaking down already, which really suck for the Patriots. was he a first round pick in early second round pick Michelle. For late I, yeah to to to see him. To just so high, only Michelle, no matter what and that was a female your whole year have one of our Kentucky teams name that this year. Between, one of us we should name. One of them seems like that's worse than my job. Best thing and that was. Probably it. That was just a concussion issue. Only Michelle never had a fifty point fantasy game. I'll tell you that right okay, so but James White is there rex burkhead. Is there daming hairs obviously Sony? Michelle I just. Could work out a couple of weeks, but I'm not I'm not taking a chance on him. I feel like you have to you know you moving national treasury. If you use the code breaker, thing where you you know you, you take that device and you put it in a bunch of different ways, and then finally opens up. Feel like Harris. Tell at this year. That's what he has to do you. Have to get the code breaker device exactly right, and then it opens up, so I feel like that's too tough. I don't have to open a code breaker device to get gaming harasses value on unlock. Okay, so four running back, so they're going behind him right now that I'd rather have Damian. Harris AJ Dylan Josh Kelley. Carlos Hyde the he m hines, rather of all those guys Damien Harrison. I'm not what AJ dealing, but the other. Two Dylan, if Jones goes down, which mine you? Ended I on the year on I are two of the last three seasons with knee injuries which I know I. Think. That's a big deal. Because Engine Williams will separate tomorrow wins break. They look they soak the second round pick and AJ Dylan. We know the future of what the Front Office and the coaching staff thinks here in Green. Bay especially the point all right, and I cannot argue with the Wisconsin Guy, who goes talk shows about Wisconsin Crap Sports. Yeah, but. I mean you follow that too I? Mean well. I mean to a certain extent. I I've always news local and national, so just you. 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Aqib Talib & Lance Zierlein on the NFL Draft

NFL: The Dave Dameshek Football Program

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Aqib Talib & Lance Zierlein on the NFL Draft

"Withy? Two thousand eighteen NFL draft the Cleveland Browns select Baker made. How is Baker Mayfield? Dave damage football program available on apple podcast and at NFL dot com slash DDS fees. Now, here's your host day damage shit. One year ago. Baker Mayfield, the first overall a little bit of a stunner is a matter fact because running up to the draft it sounded like most every draft expert said Sam darnold was the guy you wanted to draft. If you needed a quarterback, we'll figure that out and look ahead to the twenty nineteen draft. We will be in Nashville Tennessee all next week. And in the meantime, welcome to the Dave damasec football program presented by zach's spy's famous fingers wings, Zalid, speaking, zach's B's and our trip to Nashville those two things happen to lineup neatly here. Next Tuesday, roughly, two PM we will be in. We will be Zach spy's at nineteen to Charlotte avenue. If you happen to be listening right now, write that down will let you now check out social media's the date gets even closer here. So far, we know that were Shaun Evans is going to be joining us there. Maybe I can work the drive through window a little bit there at spaghetti think. People love it. If you guys just started handing out chick. Nobody would care about me. But but imagine if you went if you're a Nashville and your titans fan, and you pick up your you pick up your wings, or whatever. And then you go to the window and then Rashawn Evans handsome to you. If you show up in the afternoon on Tuesday. You'll get a nice surprise. Maybe maybe you. Well, anyhow, we got a good show coming up for you number twenty one of the LA Rams a keep to leave just off of a Super Bowl last. We saw him. It was down on the field. Just before kickoff there. He is one of the more captivating personalities in pro football right now, and I can tell you in advance because we've already had the conversation. He has a lot of interesting details from that Super Bowl and Wade Phillips and the new pass interference rule. So so you'll enjoy listening to to lead, but I one of our favorite guys to bump into in the hallways here. I think I say that to him when we talked him because that's an interview I've already also done seeded here in studio sixty six he's one of our many draft gurus at NFL media. He's Landseer line from Houston. Texas. A charismatic fella. Knowledgeable about food and about high. You know about blue chip college football players who are soon to be pulling on jersey for an NFL team. We talked to them about Sam darnold versus Baker Mayfield. And and then play a game that I think is is pretty fun. It's a good thought experiment. We ask we ask him to imagine that each of the thirty two teams have the first overall pick who would each team take if they had that spot based on their team needs for twenty nineteen Lance is gonna fill in all those blanks. Thirty two times over for us. And you know, what why don't we just get to it right now here? He is everybody Lancer line. All right. Look who it is everybody I've been waiting with you on the DD FBI. Always enjoy our occasional Robert -tunities to keep it's in the hallway or on Twitter, otherwise it's Lancer line everybody. One of our many draft gurus here at NFL media. Watch him hats the draft all draft week long with Bucky DJ. And all the other insiders. I see I consider myself though, to be a key have a keen eye for QB's, at least your guy. Yeah. I got. I just I just use my eyeballs. That's all I need. I just watch him play watch and say, gee, let's trust the tape. Just watch games. Get under the analytics, I don't need to do all that jive. What do I need that for my these is served? Well, anyway, it's not about me Zor line. Great. Okay. It's about you a little bit at Landseer line. Make sure you're following him. Not just for his football insights. But also his food insights, you might. No more about food than even I do. I just know different places to go, and I've gone to different places. It's it's important to me because when you go to different cities a lot of times, I think the cities, you know, we were lucky enough to. When when when we travel for the draft went to Chicago phenomenal food town, just phenomenal New York. Obviously was always great LA is is really LA is underrated Guilhem eilly under America's best food. Town LA is a highly underrated food you just have to travel. You just have to travel wide and far like in Houston. You you know, it depends on what you want. And it's it's a sprawl. The difference is your traffic is just really I would imagine. If I lived here, I would have to play in dinner around completely. I'm either eating it three or at nine thirty. There's no in between either super grant ball or like, you know, like I'm in Spain. It just can't be an I was younger. I would've gone for the later. Our that was the the goal was to see how late you could stay out now when you're twenty or twenty five now when you're beating life, it's when it's when you got a couple. Drinks in. Yeah. Maybe a dinner in your belly in the sun hasn't even gone down. Yet. Will you live it will you eat before six now? I can I'm willing to do that to shame either. Daniel Jeremiah that I just just yesterday we're eating like a couple of Grandpa's. We went down and got one of the little pizzas down the street. I mean like at four forty not a problem of the polish is to me with this trying to impress with staying till three forty five in the morning for like twenty years. I don't need that anymore. But for like twenty years, I've been doing morning radio at six AM. Now, I do it at seven it's still early. I still when I did that. I did that. Yeah. That's a rugged dig. It's different. It's a different existence. You just get used to being kind of zombie and you get addicted to caffeine, but the other thing it does is it changes lunch to ten AM or by nine thirty or ten. This is lunchtime. True. Why do they not? I got mad one thought eleven is arbitrary for a lunchtime. Right. Why can't it be ten? Why can't these places open up at ten or ten thirty for lunch? It doesn't make any sense at eleven as arbitrary time. There's people like me we want to get started early with their lunches blazing trails here. Yeah. All right. I want to do something with the forementioned Daniel, Jeremiah, and I did a year ago before that a question that came up on our earlier podcast this week that I'm interested in your opinion. It seems to me that when there's a collective opinion when there's this QB or that QB or multiple QB's in the debate to be the best of the class. It seems like the collective wisdom tends to get it. Right. If you go back to Peyton versus Ryan leaf by the time that draft happen. Most people at settled Payton's going to be better than Ryan leaf. I think. I think that that was true. I think with James versus Mario. I guess the the book still out on that one. Neither one is really much out. Neither what's rare. Is that one doesn't make it in the other one does make it? I mean, usually one makes the other one doesn't in this situation. Neither guy may end up making it, right? There's another good example or two out there that I can't oh Andrew luck versus RG three some buzz for our g three the close for the draft. But then alternately there wasn't anybody that Cam Newton now no no-one competed with and not against Cam. But and then last year everybody said, yes, Baker is nice. And Josh Rosen is nice become on. It's it's got to be at the end of the day. It's gotta be saying darnold. Yeah. So unless that collective wisdom failed doesn't Sam darnold stand to soar in twenty nineteen is he well positioned to do. So on the jets. Now, I don't think he's particularly well positioned other than who he is a person. I think is I think is demeanor is uniquely. Is uniquely set up for New York. Right. He cares. A lot about football. He doesn't care about the outside stuff. Social media's not a big deal for him to polar opposites last year's class. Josh rosen. Sam darnold Josh Rosen. The last thing he goes to New York team. Sam darnold kinda like ally. You could throw him in there. And it's not gonna be too big for him. And it's not just while. I'm you know, it's not because he's Choung Nemeth. It's because I get the opposite. Just like, I don't know. I'm just here to play ball. I don't care about all this other stuff. What about the models? I don't care about that. What about the what the media said? I didn't read it. I don't I just don't care enough to read that stuff only care about ball. So I think he set up for that. So because of that he could he could potentially sores strong word, but I think he will take that natural progression forward. I just don't think he has the tools around him. I don't think he has the weapons around him to help him out. And you look at Baker Mayfield wealth of riches, and you go. To Cleveland, and the dot is what an Maher you're going to Cleveland, it's been that way since you, and I were well, that's not true. There was there was a moment. It wasn't until Byner. Fumbled Ernie Kosar there in the mid eighties. And once that stuff once that Cleveland Brown team left and became the ravens. It's been jinxed. My dad coach Butch Davis. It's Jenks, you know, he was there with the Kelly Holcomb loss your Steelers Kelly Holcomb hung four hundred yards on the Steelers. And so lost two mile following Tommy Maddox. That's right off the improbable rally there. I know they did. And it's just they they can't win. But now you look at Cleveland, and I kinda 'em buying into the turnaround. It's about time Cleveland actually had a real turnaround and not just a lot of talk. I think it's going to happen. So I think I think the collective wisdom is not going to be wrong about Sam darnold that was my number one quarterback by a lot. I just think that Baker Mayfield is position do it quicker. Do you think then one? Question on this. Do you think if the jets in it, you know, they wouldn't say this publicly, obviously? But do you think if they could redo it go back into a time machine? Do you think they would say that? They would rather have Baker Mayfield. Do you think anybody would change who the quarterback that they have roster is I because I think Zona would from what you do think that they're gonna go Tyler. Yeah. But I think the interesting one is do think I don't think one would change it thing. And I don't think three would change a thing. The interesting question of are the giants like do the giants have any buyer's remorse over having the rookie of the year. You know, was was was obviously saquon Barkley, but if you had it to do all over again. And now they've looked at these quarterbacks here, they know they're six, and they know that seventeen would you have taken Sam darnold at to put some truth serum in Dave Gettleman. And what does he say? Now, my guess is he stays he stays. The course I it's really interesting, and you know, in the last month or so people have really since the Daltrey gun after Gettleman, but we talked to Sean hair, and he didn't sway my opinion necessarily all by himself. Eddie spaghetti behind the glasses defended saquon for for a better part of a year now and given that a prime the running back prime is the minute. He walks in the building as far as I'm concerned. By the end of his first contract. He's kind of got some attrition on him. It's not the same. Sure formula that you would apply to QB get him to the second contract and see if he's worthy of that twenty five thirty five million or whatever it's gonna end up being. If they don't if they go and Daniel, Jeremiah has floated the idea Daniel Jones at six for the giants that seems like a loco choice. They went in on saquon. Now, you gotta go all in on trying to win right now. Because he lies old you got saquon in his prime a difference maker there. I think that I wouldn't take even if you love Jones you have to to me you have to wait to seventeen. I mean, you've got to get somebody. There's just too much. It's not a loaded draught, but there's just talented can help you win right now. At least I have a better shot at six. I I'm with you. I wouldn't make that quarterback. Drew, look, I have Daniel Jones a second round anyway. So you're talking to the wrong guy becomes to back, Danny Jones. But I I wouldn't draft a quarterback at six just you have two picks. I get it. But you really need some defensive help. And do that six. All right. Let's see if we can get to some other questions on the other side. We'll see how long this takes. Here's a game. It's a fun exercise to see who really rise. Who's the cream of the crop? I am going to. Let's assume and we won't do it in the actual draft order. We'll do it alphabetically who would each of the thirty two NFL teams take if they had the first overall pick. Let's start in reality here eras ONA. They happen to be the first Cuyler Keiler is the pick. If they could have anyone they want. Okay. That stands to reason the Atlanta Falcons. Bosa. They most would like to have Nick Bosa. They need an rusher. Why what I don't buy Nick Bose's my fourth best player in the draft. But I just think they had Vic Beasley who had a little spike, and then came back down Nick Bowes, one of the surer things in this draft. And I think his ceiling is a little bit capped out. But I think his floors pretty high. So I would say Bosa because he can rush the quarterback. He's big he strong, and he can have an impact against the run. That's why I just think that he's a safe. He's a safer pick. That's why I mean, we're only going to have a spread of about three or four players most with this exercise. I think because this year's not really there's no stud stud players like that's a that's a dude. And that's a dude. And last year in this game. I bet if you played this game last year. It was probably a lot more varied because you could say may Quinton Nelson. Oh saquon Barkley. Wow. I'll take. Tremain edmonds. Give me the roquan Smith is. It was the guy. I would take Sam darnold for me this year. I don't I don't I don't think it's like that. That's because there's no other second quarterback talk yourself into anything. We're just getting going land. I am surprised that Dan Quinn's team has kinda scuffled since that super too. I thought that they looked like loser though. I get it. But I the psychology of that aside. I really liked the pieces that they had it seemed like oh, Dan Quinn as a symbol d-, a group of destroyers defensively that are going to look like, I I guess I was wrong about that. And so is Dan Quinn. Baltimore ravens. Say this has got to be a little bit of a wildcard Josh Allen. Really? Okay. Yeah. They're they're going to look at an edge rusher. They want a guy who has that ability to come off the edge. And he's got a lot of potential talent. As an Josh Josh Allen. This is first overall. So this would be a little bit of a reach. But I do like Hollywood Brown for that team. Yeah. I do too. I think you want want somebody spook in the defense. That's true. But he's not the most accurate quarterback. Lamar jackson. So maybe you want a bigger target too. But I'm not sure decay medcalf is is that guy think you wanna big safe target, and they already have twenty seven tight on the roster. So that Hawkins out there. Buffalo bills. They already have Josh Allen. It is a this is an interesting exercise. See so maybe Hollywood I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Quentin Williams, and I'll tell you why I've heard they like that Oliver. So if you like it Oliver either ED's number one or number two for you. So I'll say Quinton Williams another interior rusher who can get after the quarterback. I'll do that. So actually we have four different players. It's exactly right. A lot of comparisons on fairly poor Ed darnold. He can't live up to Donald and all likelihood, but do you buy that? He is a high end difference maker. I think he has a high ceiling low-floor in the problem is his size. But then when you look at explosive is it's I think you have to put them in the right position to succeed. Don't ask him to do something. He can't do. He's physically not going to be able to just take guys on and be strong against bigger. You know, more physical wider guys. That's not who is going to be. So why would you ask? Why would you ask a guy who can't shoot off the off the dribble? Why would you ask him to be a score? While Jessica a setup three point shooter. Hey, I'm a catch shoot three point specialists. Don't ask me to take the ball off the dribble because that's not what I do. That's what I used to always tell my high school basketball coach. It's a moot point. You're the twelfth man anyway, go sit down, please you're trying to say put me in a better position to like. I'm not putting you at any position except at the end of the bench dope. Lucky you're on the team. Now, quiet down or I'm going to change that to the Carolina Panthers. Panthers. And either tackle at Oliver. I'm gonna go to one Taylor. Ooh. I'm gonna get a big nasty sexy. Oh line picks. I overall I think he's no Orlando pace I'm trying to keep some pace here, but the pace it up a little bit. But this is do you find do you agree with me 'cause you are actually on the in the small group of people who actually does study align tape, do you? Are you annoyed by people on my side who weigh in on what is a good offensive lineman. I think it's one of the most fraudulent telling things that you can do as a football. And they say like Anthony moon does best left tackle ever based on. Why you don't know what you're talking about also? But at least you're looking at one of the best left tack of all time. What's even more crazy is when we're having discussions about like, I'll be talking to Jeff Schwartz on Twitter who played tackle played guard. And it's jersey hangs on the wall there Aaron Taylor who was you know. An NFL offense of tackle. And we're going back and forth about players like you guys are all wrong on this one. He doesn't kid his hands inside. Like, it turns an tech techniques stuff like don't you really shouldn't be talking technique with NFL offense lineman. That's that's not which Dutch really what you're looking at here is he doesn't do a job reach blocking people comment on Jeff Schwartz videos. He puts. Well, I disagree with that. If you look right here. He doesn't have very good leverage. I'm like, please. Don't thanks Glenn? Hope the weather's good now tuna appreciate it. Kevin Chicago Bears. They're very close. There are real players far as I don't love Trubisky, though, still me the receiver. They're not going to take a quarterback. No, they need another rusher. They need another. They want somebody opposite of they want Floyd. Somebody opposite of MAC. That's not either. This is a really tough game is not a good cornerback. You could plug a cornerback in their tunnel have one that you would really say, that's my guy. Let's give them. Me gotta stay. I gotta stay true to the defense is tired is tire Kona really able to carry the load. You know what? Let's just Jacobs. Right. I mean that gauge us Jake. Why not weird that you're gonna wear near the first pick? But you're not that far away Chicago Bears. Right. And I think he has a bigger impact in getting one of these Cornerbacks. Would I think Josh Jacobs can step in and be a pretty good runner? All right fund. Cincinnati bengals. Cuyler? Ooh. Yeah. I said last year they should take Lamar Jackson. But they'd be better off if they if they had Cleveland for one year. I think the ravens are realizing they're in a little bit of trouble here who's ever gonna go and play what pass catcher ever once ago. That's why I float Hollywood Brown. They got a draft high talent at the position. No one's ever gonna sign. They're willfully as as long as Lamar Jackson. Will you're not gonna an option often. You're not gonna make probably a lot of money on your next contract because your targets are going to be a little lower. Yeah. The Cleveland Browns. Brown's want? The Browns won. You gotta think about their needs align. Right. Isn't that their one weakness, they they're they're okay? On the offense of lines. Oh, they want defensive lineman. You know what? Let's give them. A Michael dean Perry clone. Ooh. That Oliver very nice people. People can't get with my Michael dean Perry comp. It's on the NFL dot com draft profile, and I'm sure there's like forty three Browns fans ago. Oh, this is nice. Michael dean Perry was the reser pro bowler. I get the resit Provo people think it's a swam to the Pro Bowl. Yeah. Just was obscured literally. And otherwise by his his brother other nowhere near as good, right? But he scored a touchy scored a touchdown ROY Dallas Cowboys the Cowboys. Ooh. Just signed to Marcus Lawrence. Think I got a great one for you mentioned them already till Hopkinson. If you could have anybody drop onto that TI because supposedly Dawson Knox and that's tied in the second round. So let's put TJ Hopkinson there. The Denver Broncos. Denver broncos. Let's give the Denver Broncos. More rush help things they really need corner help. But this is we're not having corners hurts us. Let's give them some more rush out because if you can't cover then at least you need to get the quarterback. Let's give them Nick Bosa. Okay. I think that this Joe flacco thing another weird choice. I do think it legitimately as much as people floated. And it sounds overly simplistic, I do think that some people can be seduced by while that guy has smoked us one too many times. Let's get flacco. They've watched flacco perform well against them. And Elway has seen that any likes the big cannon arm. That goes such fools gold Tyke. I mean, I such fool. I couldn't agree more. Except for the fact that is difficult to argue against is that he did rise up against the New England Patriots. How he was able to solve them more consistently than anyone. I mean on par really with Peyton Manning. Crazy. And also the thing that Joe flacco always did any Steelers fan Italia's. Flacco always nails in Heinz field, always nails. I don't know. Why always played his best ball was Ned stark alive. When flacco was last really good. That was that's a long it's been filling. Never stark still had that doesn't sound great. But it's accurate. So good yardstick. Their Troy lions Detroit Lions they want. Oh, they want. They need an edge rusher. They also tight end. But if you had your first pick, we'll go Nick Bosa, Nick Bowes guy. Green Bay Packers. Sco Josh Allen the Houston Texans. Hundred Dillard, Andrea Diller left ad. Mcelwain quarterback sense. Now really does make semi Houston's in a bad position to where they have to have a left tackle. And they have to have a cornerback. You never want to be in this position where you're desperate positions. Because then I'm passing up on much better players and Andre Dillard to draft something they have to have an I'm giving them the best tackle they can possibly get for what they want which is an athletic left. Tackle. Are you still all in onto Shawn Watson if you ever were? I feel like we talked about that earlier in the week that people because of the most recent game he played people kind of the. Bloom was off the Lilly or whatever the no. But I mean, I I'm more of an analyst. So I don't get swayed by individual games. I'm not a one time or as I call it. Just somebody who just needs to see one thing and top six eight eight. I think potentials very high end with him. You just have to make sure that. I think that it keeps his head on straight as a professional that doesn't change the work ethic. And I haven't heard that he has its it's famous, but I think what to Shawn Watson. It's some point. You've got to get rid of the ball quicker. You gotta get through your reads and get rid of the ball. And learn timing. I think that's the concern with him. And it it really has nothing to do with anything. See I I'm still all in on onto Sean lots of assure. All right. I'm gonna go fast ACA and here because you know, you're a busy, man. Indianapolis Colts twenty six let's give the colts. They wanna rusher. Let's give them Jeffrey Simmons. Okay, tackle so called red shirt that everybody's talking. But there might be the best player in this draft. That's I mean that was the buzz at least top town his tape is really good. And he is basically dominant sue all over again. Wow. Yeah. No. Redshirt to me Chris Ballard wants to build. So you don't get into panic about one year in. That's the guy who's got a chance to be really good. I mean, they're the names that keep coming up for me or Hopkinson and Hollywood Brown because I feel like if while Hollywood Brown circumstantial, if Haagensen is in fact, a poor man's rob gronkowski, don't you have to go and do that what the X factor that he was for the last decade? And that patriot. I think for a lot of for a lot of teams. Well, when you get thirty two I know him giving them Jacksonville. Shacks Ville, wait Jacksonville. We're going all the way back to you. Want me to pick Jacksonville? Oh, I gotta go all the way circle back to number seven threw me off my game here. I would say. It's number one. You know what? They're all the number one. So we'll get really them. Anyway, this is the first overall pick in the draft. Jacksonville has. They're getting a little older. Let's let's go with quantum Williams replacing Marcel Darius I'll go quantum Williams. Rush from the interior Casey chiefs. Poor they need corner in the worst way. You got that who is the best in that group. I guess that's also circumstantial with what a D. Josh. Abs. Ooh, let's give them a running back. Okay. Place Keenan replace a cream hunt. Josh jacobson. Let's roll on. I'm not going to get from not gonna find your good corner. If they don't have tyreek hill, though, they're gonna they're gonna certainly miss that. Yeah. Yeah. Chargers. The chargers. I'm gonna go with my top tackle, Jona Williams. I was going to say to me, it seems like they're guys Joan Williams. He's smart. He plays multiple positions. You know, what you got a chance to win right now. Philip rivers still aren't they kinda flawless except for the offense offense of line. And this is guy who can come in plug and play right away, and he can play multiple positions. The NFC defending champs. The Rams for the Rams. You get Cooper cutback. You still are little soft up the middle. Oh, defensive tackle. Jeffrey Simmons the Mayan. I would say keep your eye on Jeffrey Simmons there to the Rams if he falls all the way to the back end of the first okay Miami Dolphins. Cuyler vikings. Minislate you rather have two or Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, guaranteed. You don't know. You may accidentally win right? Let's see four the which the vikes for the vikes they really what they really really need is offense of line play. So I'm gonna go with. Oh, man. That's a really hard. They need guard now, but they could use defensive tackle to go at all of our patriots Hopkinson. Saints. Josh allen. Rusher. I wanna say Hollywood just to give you Hollywood. I'm surprised. I seems like they're all slow, you know, SAS, right? So my problem. Well, no one ever thinks. They're said a pass that is one where I think Hollywood would be interesting because now you have a field. You got somebody to to stretch a field to go along with Mike Thomas? I think that one's interesting. We sure that nine can still throw it that far that's a problem. And that's why I don't love giving those outside speed receivers to Tom Brady because he doesn't throw that past very often. He doesn't take those deep shots at much anymore. And he hasn't for a while. You would think that that would be a major absence from the guy who's called the quarterback in the game. The. We say giants. The giants giants will go with. Gettleman take his is give him somebody on deed. And I think they're really a pass rusher. Let's get Nick Bosa the the jets also Bosa. No, yeah. I think they'd like to Boso two more surefire. I mean you watch. If Evan Ingraham can just stay healthy that offense is fine. They just need the giants. They just need to take care of business on defense. Eagles. Andre dillard. Pittsburgh steelers. Oh. This is the place to say his name, Devon white. Evan white. I know they want him. I bet you they're going to do they're going to try to move heaven. I bet you they're going to try to get him. He's got a lot of Steeler in him. If I could I really like the two guys I keep saying Hopkinson or Hollywood Brown there. I think those would be great fits the Niners. Niners. I would go with. Nick Bosa Seahawks. Montas wet. Buccaneers. Nick. Bozo. Tennessee titans. TJ hawkins. And it's about time. They move on from Delaney. Washington redskins. Hollywood. The Barrett is at long lasted arrives Landseer line. It's time for you to go. Unfortunately, I could keep it's with you for another three or six hours. I wish we had time to go. Get one of those pizzas down the street. We'll have to we'll have to let that sit for. I don't know the next time you're in Los Angeles. But anytime, you are let's go get some food and talk about food and game of thrones. And maybe we'll talk some football too. Let's do that. There is the great Landseer line everybody. Thanks for the time. Absolutely. Make sure your check Lance out. Like, I said they're two he'll be on paths of the draft all next week while we're in Nashville Tennessee and right now, let's get it to number twenty one the last you saw his defense camp. Can't hang it on the Rams d they held Tom Brady the goat and gronk and all the rest of those fellas too meager thirteen points that was enough to give the patriots the world title. And here's our catch up with the keep to leave posts Super Bowl fifty. What was it three to fifty two? No three. Remember, what Super Bowl isn't a three L I C three. Are you? Sure fifty was oh giant stadium MetLife. Fifty now. Fifty was Broncos over Cam fifty one was twenty eight to three patriots. And then fill eagles. Yes. Yes. Like, I said last week was Super Bowl fifty three. Here's our catch up with the grey to keep tha Leib. All right. I just said they hand the last. I saw him was down on gridiron roundabout. Atlanta, Georgia way, it's a keep to leave. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. How you doing? I'm fine. I wanna hear all about that experience as much as you can stomach talking about the Super Bowl pass their against them. Patriots real quick though. How does it hit your ear as somebody in the NFC west the here? Russell Wilson has resigned to players care when you hear like, ooh. A team in our division. Just got a little bit better. Something good happened for them to you. Do you get upset about that? I mean, definitely not upset. It's you see a guy, you know, one of our brothers the brotherhood, man. It's fifteen hundred guys who get to play his game or something like that. You know? So anytime you hear one of those guys and better their life better career, man, you always happy for definitely what do you think about Joe flacco with your former team? Team there in Denver D A by that that guy is a solution for a year for a couple of years. I think he's still got some paint. You know, think the Broncos definitely a quarterback away. Man. I never was really really bad team. They just kind of a quarterback away. Not. I got a veteran presence somebody who know how to control the huddle and out of control to building. So he gives them a better chance to win. Do you think? Do you think that number seven there? Elway was swooned at the thought. Like, hey, we've seen this guy come out here and beat us before do you think he gets swayed or with suede on some level by it was more a vailab -bility? It was it was who's available who can really hold his torch. You know, so. Flacco was available and they did a good job going to get them. All right. Let's talk about the Super Bowl. I all. Well, does that you don't like that is good? I enjoy experience. I go through what's your what's your career Super Bowl record? Then one and one one in one I couldn't I couldn't recall, frankly, if you were with one of the patriots one of those spots that they rolled through seems like they're in most of them. Did you first while the defense was dynamite? You know, is there any sort of frustration about look we've held the New England Patriots to thirteen in the big game. It was a we we play we play good. But we also felt like we could have been better. It was the one drive. We let go down at pass. A lot of mental mistakes on that drive. A from everybody on defense. You know? So we stopped Mahe. Dr Who knows you know, we we may come down to score, you know. So we definitely are build, and we definitely don't point fingers, man. We all we all accountable, and we all lost together. Do you think you know, couple of months now everybody keeps talking about Todd Gurley? In fact, we were talking about Todd Gurley for a couple of months in advance of that Super Bowl my read on it, my uninformed, I just recklessly speculate. I'm not I'm not tied to any facts. It seems to me that Bill ballot. Check kind of called the bluff on we're not going to bite on any play action. We don't think thirty is gonna get us. Anyway. So we're not going to bite on that will run our safety up to the line. And then as soon as sixteen turns back backed us, we're gonna run it back to cover up. What he thinks is going to be there is that a fair interpretation of what I saw those sixty minutes. It was it was. It was a piece of you know, that was a piece of it. We didn't get that run game going. So our offense is predicated on getting that run gang on a bunch of play action. You know, much boots and stuff like that. We all get that. Right. If you stop running man, you got a pretty good chance. Lot of people can't stop run. They play good upfront and stopped are running. It gave them a good chance to win. It seems like it seems like ballot. Check said and Brian floors to give him credit to is to say like you can pretend you're going to give it to thirty. We know you're not gonna try and beat us with him today. I mean, you could say that. But we give thirty if he started busing in blessing. Then you have to do something about it. Right. So we just didn't get the bus. The big runs wasn't there. So I guess that was his plan to stop the run. I guarantee you his first I plan was to stop that run. And that's what they did. So if they was able to stop the run. It would have gave him the best chance to win. And that's what they was able to do. What do you make of Sean McVeigh being so successful? And apparently, you know, blazing this trail in the NFL so much so that anybody who ever met Sean McVeigh is now a head coach somewhere in the NFL. It seems like what do you think about this attempt to copycat the Rams success with McVeigh? He's a smart guy. He's a smart guy. So is a copycat league. They see they see how productive our offenses and the other teams they want their offense. It'd be the same productive. You know? So what you do you go get his right hand. Man, you go. See if can you the barn inquest in view. Can you do shine do and scored thirty points? You say you're the head coach. So everybody going say, yeah. But can they do it guess with see what do you think of say to me the guy who got slept on a little bit along the way was one Wade Phillips? He had hit the factor. Pretty prominently in in what went on there and twenty eighteen with the Rams. Yeah. He definitely did me. I don't really feel like he got slept on the way Phillips. He's go to the hall of fame. So his celebration days is just waiting to happen. I saw the to you. That was all right. I thought that was one of the best. You knows my favorite thing. He did though. I got a Pat myself on the back. I got in touch with him early in the year. And I said next time you guys wear the throwback uniforms. Coach Wade want to throw it back to how your dad bum used to deal. You he did it any picked up on that. And then he did it. It was one of the thrills for me seeing him at the at media night definition, his hand and say you did it and he won among members on the Super Bowl was the best grind Saint codes in though bet bum. You know, so it was you remember all those two younger a member. The bump Philip days, man know about him. I'm a fan. I'm a fan of the game. Is that right? I do a little research, and you know, a know about I I've been under way too long. Not wade. And I told wait just for a game. He was like I would love to do it. But the NFL rules would never let me wear. Can you imagine what looking over at the sideline and your head coach wearing a ten gallon hat, and now boy and all that and a western shirt and all that stuff? He did it hit it as much as he could though he did on the play. Like, he looked good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was definitely was a memory of mom. Let's talk about about the game that preceded that one the NFC title game one to ten how sick of you of of saints fans blaming that one call on you get into the Super Bowl where Where'd you come down on that. Clearly, you know, it was PI. I mean, it was passing affairs. But I mean, it was it was a bang. It was so fast. Even if you watch the tape l-look where I was I seeing the ballroom I seem to hit I could tell that he hit him when a ball got there but the ball in behind him. So that they deemed uncatchable. I I thought it was in the ball was on cats. We do a bad pass over his head or some-. So until I seen the replays the whole game. I'm thinking that the ball was uncatchable. That's why I didn't the flag. So I'm on the field say that that was my first thought that ball sailed way out of bounds that wasn't a cat. You look at the replay. If the ball goes behind the defensive back was it really catchable. I mean, I don't know. So my first reaction was the ball one catch. Seen it on a replay a little bit. I say, well, maybe if you didn't hit maybe could've caught it. So I don't know is it bang. Bang miss a fast game is easy to watch on TV. And it goes a lot faster when you on that. I watched another game. I e with Twenty-one figuring prominently into it. I remember the guy named Martavis Bryant where you tangled with them in the end zone mile high divisional round when you guys were supposed to smoke the Tonio Brownless. Pittsburgh Steelers a little handsy before the ball. Got there you and I have looked at that replay. And you say I'm no apology coming up. It was close. I mean, no, I mean, I you grabbed his arm like that. I saw he pushed my neck. So you he push pool fifty fifth. Okay. All right. So does get pushed and don't do. Nothing back. It's a jump ball. He do this. And then we get the ball. Why do you think than that? So that saints play. Now has inspired this new rule rule. Your oh, that's that's. I always say I'd like to be you know, how cool is it Meli rou because you were you played to mean, Melbourne change the route, I tough you gotta in the past. I love that kind of stuff. I would love to go. We gotta Roby rule. And then the Tom Brady rule is like don't touch me. That's an embarrassment for him. Either way. What are you nervous in specially physical corner? Are you are you thinking I might have to modify my game at this point in your career? You really get to know all this is just another rule to just kind of pacifies some people and tell them that some happened like that at the end of the game were could determine the game that you could be able to challenge it. You know what I'm saying? So I don't think the first three and a half quarters. It'd be played the same football game. It'd be the same and if some type of bang bang plan to in. You'll be able to challenge or if you need some type of chunk plan to you throw four straight phase. And hopefully somebody somebody on one of them in flag. You know, there were now we're back to Joe flacco having some success. That's his favorite play. I'm just gonna throw it as far as I can hopefully get some on workflow before believe me, I know about that. All right. Get out of here to leave a pleasure to see you once again, I love I love the voice, man. I mean, just the literal sound of your voice, but you have a distinct phrasing and and point of view about football enjoy catching up with that. And I want to talk to you as it gets closer big twelve football K, you gonna be row Rick Ross unless miles go. Let's turn eight Kansas. You gotta do is get us a quarterback, and we'd be too. All right. I still have eligibility. I don't know why you laugh at that. If we twenty one. And that's that next. We talked to you. We will be in music city, Nashville, Tennessee, come on out does once again, Tuesday, the twenty third one thousand nine hundred two Charlotte avenue, we're going to be there were Shaun Evans is going to be there. Hopefully, you'll be there as well. Until then thanks so much football fans. Reminder Daves of thunder episode one hundred it's dandy one to track that down wherever you find your favorite podcasts. Enjoy this one football focus. This one's about the game of life. Even more than the check that one out. 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Trade Talk! Plus Midseason Awards, Fantasy Cops and GB-SF (11/04 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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Trade Talk! Plus Midseason Awards, Fantasy Cops and GB-SF (11/04 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from cbs. Sports it's time to dominate your fantasy league. Now here's some combination of adam. Dave jamie heath. We are going to talk about running back situations green bay miami. We're going to preview that. Green bay san francisco game. Hopefully going to take your mind off some things off the little football here for the next hour. Welcome to fantasy football today. Oh yeah the fantasy cops coming on as well so that'll be fun. I didn't get the queued up. That is my fault. Adam meser with dave richard and ben shrager filling in for today. What's up been what's going on. I'm not shown up chest hair for heath otherwise. I'm filling in for heat. Let's hear your side. That was pretty good. Yeah was either run for his money. Yeah how many heat size do i have. What's this one. I press this button in a while. I don't know which one is going to be That is an exasperated. Oh is that the compilation. I'm sorry There you go compilation for everybody all right so here. We are on wednesday. As i mentioned. We're going to be Doing some regulating a little bit later and we will read your fantasy cops questions trivia question to start the show which team is allowing the fewest points per game in the nfl Know the answer. Do you really yeah. Doing research came across my Screed then i know the answer. Let's let ben have a chance to guess they are going to say. I wanna say ravens. But i'm gonna go with the chiefs no The miami dolphins are number one. Say yeah. they're the number one team in fantasy points per game allowed. Ravens are second or third fantasy points per game. Amazing no points per game is fantasy points. I didn't mean that. I meant reality. Points per game okay. Yeah they're twentieth in yards per game allowed. So you know probably gonna keep it up but that's a fun stat. We have Bi-lo and so high throughout the show. So we'll get there in a minute. Please watch fantasy football today on. Hq if you missed the noon hq show. You can watch on demand on the cbs sports app or on ot pt devices. Go to the cbs sports app. And scroll down and see you see the f. t. familiar faces and also parley pick him. This is really fun. You can pick your best five team. Parlay against the spread contest is open from tuesdays. Through sundays we give away one thousand dollars. Guaranteed every week in. The odds are provided by william hill. Sportsbook go cbs. Sports dot com slash parlay. The big news aj dylan and jamaal williams out. Aaron jones apparently some pessimism. They're playing thursday at san francisco. Dave i wanna green bay running back to start this week. Who am i taking. You will probably take tyler ervin to be that running back but you should have next to no expectations for him. Or for dexter williams who will be the other running back that figures to get work. Will you should count on his aaron rodgers throwing a lot and maybe even running himself a little bit. I do not have faith on in tyler ervin he. He's more receiver than running back and last week he dropped two passes on consecutive place. It's not great great either and they've both inexperienced and they're both probably below the average the line of average running backs. I guess i should say that there. Below average running backs this this is going to be a tough spot for the packers. That's a funny way of calling someone below average right these below the the light of the mendoza line and so i. We don't have that type of line in fantasy. I'm we could probably come up with a player at some point during the show and we can start putting running backs. Above and below that line yeah. Urban williams are below that line tampa bay running backs. Ronald jones could be that. Who wants to start him against the saints right. I'll take him over an or williams at this point. How about you. I'm in the same boat. I think urban probably catches four passes but he may drop two of them. Only get four targets and roger says. I'm not throwing any running backs. His game and dexter williams could fall into the end zone. Dexter williams could play ten snaps. If rodgers like the way it's going he could throw sixty five times on thursday night. So i'm not excited about either but npr. I'll go urban. That's probably the better way to go and obviously both forty niners running back ahead of the packers running backs. Yeah and map read ahead of them. Oh yeah for sure. It is interesting. Breed is interesting. Let me just say this though you know with the packer situation it does remind me a little bit of the seahawks except i guess there are two mouths to feed. We think but we love. Dj dallas. i don't think so. Was he facing tough. Match-up it's the same matchup as it's the forty niners who are now allowing the second fewest fantasy points running backs but aaron aaron jones. The scored a touchdown on every game. He's played jamaal williams at one hundred yards in both of his starts a touchdown one of them. So that's why i didn't just completely poo poo the packers. I think we were one guy. We might be more excited to split. It would be disappointing. But yeah brita you know. So he's got arizona this week but three week absence. Roughly for for myles gaskin sprained. Mc l. dave. I wish i hadn't been so occupied last night. It would've put more busy. That pre up. What do you think he's only like seventeen percent roster. I think you gotta get your priorities straight at him. I do believe that he's got a chance to help. Running back needy. Fantasy managers get is three week band aid. I think he'll be the best running back for the miami dolphins and gaskin comes back. He's kinda like gaskin in that. He's he's a good pass catcher out of the backfield he's runner. I think there was hesitation to use him a lot because his body is broken down. But if it's a three game window that he's got to play. I don't mind him being used now. These going to be a feature back. But he'll be the lead back for the dolphins and you might see jordan howard reprises role as the hammer between the tackles. Okay and would you drop about thirty thirty one percent roster now yeah map arena. Would you draw boston. Scott or giovanni renard to pick up map rita only if i need a aid this week because i think that if either one of those guys are starting next week at much rather have them next week than breda so if i need somebody this week i'm doing and i'm fine doing it and i'll start to but i would prefer to hold onto both of those guys. Okay so is mad. Breda head of ronald jones yeah jones line is about david. Montgomery or map breida. This week. I like montgomery and a good matchup. I've got montgomery a little bit higher. Okay all right. So map raiders. Interesting go go get him. Everybody and it's not just one week. It might be three weeks. hopefully hopefully they. Don't do that. Shenanigans davis is talking about with jordan. Howard getting the one yard touchdown runs. Oh i'm sure it's going to happen. Yeah okay by you. Just throw it out. I don't have the numbers in front of me. But i would imagine that. The number of carries inside the ten that map is with the dolphins is in the single digits and potentially zero. Oh definitely single. Digits hasn't had any carries to begin with okay favorite bilo. We'd go to dave in a couple of running backs on there you got you gave us three names for your bilo. Gave clyde edwards helaire jonathan taylor in the mar jackson. So let's do it one by one here clyde edwards. Either go with him. I he has nine eighteen touches was it. Yeah eighteen touches in two days. Terrible right right. Right ian le vian or it. It's not quite fifty fifty in terms of snaps but in terms of touches. It's it's pretty close to that and he hasn't been great with them. I can't imagine it stays this way. I really can't words allaire still the more talented running back. What is levian shown in the two games that he's been the kansas city that he's good at like splitting the workload with dealer. I don't think he's necessarily about a running back. And i think that as as december comes along teams get a little more conservative offensively and that'll help edwards helaire hopefully pick up more touches and his prices never been lower we we. We did this game when when on went to kansas city. What what where would you draft him if we were drafting again right now for the rest of the season and we talked about him in that round two three turn. Now i think we were drafting. I think the consensus would put a maybe in round four. Because it's been so ugly two games i think he can outperform that so if the manager nearly that's got edwards helaire unhappy with him. Go get him. Because i think there will be some great games ahead and i feel the exact same way jonathan taylor. I just don't believe that. Jordan wilkins is going to take over this backfield. When jordan wilkins isn't taken over anything his entire career. So taylor's another one. That's a great bilo running back. That should be able to get his act together The caveat with taylor is that if he's legitimately hurt and he shows on the injured or the angelman is out. Then maybe that slows down the excitement form. And then it gives wilkins legitimate chance to be something i do i. I can't help myself here. I think the talent is too good with both these rookie running backs. Okay i just going to say this about taylor right to question this right. Have we kind of assigned greatness to him a little bit too early. The guy has two games this year. With more than sixty eight rushing yards Many only one game. Yeah i was about to get it out he. They don't give them a lot of work. You know it's very frustrating. He has a hundred carries this season. One carry out of one hundred has gone for more than sixteen yards. His longest run is twenty one yards. You know he doesn't really catch a of passes most weeks i was all about. I mean i'm not trying to be hypocrite here. Because i have been bringing him up. Great schedule schedule. Looks a little bit tougher now than it did. Tennessee's run defense come around and bid. They got baltimore this week. I thought the same thing about john taylor. I'm just wondering have we have. We anointed him a little bit too early here. He's not really playing that well. You know he's not doing that. Well i was on the other side of that. You remember in the draft in august when we were talking about where to drop and taylor. I wasn't touching him. Where guys like jamie and ben gretchen. And probably even heathen and ben as well wanted to take him they they were looking at him and around three around four. And then when Marlon mack got hurt. Everybody was like. Oh well i john of the taylor would have been a second round pick and i agreed with that but he certainly has not played to the level that we thought and it still. I'll say what i said on sunday. It looks like he's still not quite sure he knows what he's doing right. So that's why. I'm wondering if he really is really good. Bilo that your dozens. It doesn't necessarily take a full season for running back to click. And sometimes i could take something as simple as one play for him to start to. Okay all right. I got this now. I'm ready to go. So maybe it was a case last week. Where the ankle legitimately slowing them down. Maybe it was what i thought it was where he's just thinking a little bit too much not playing freely. Maybe it's something else that we just don't know about. Maybe could really be that. He's just not as talented of a running back with that. We we saw when he was at wisconsin. I doubt it dave. I don't want to say it's talent. I think i'm not doubting his talent. I'm just doubting his production right just just looking at the raw number. He just hasn't really been nearly as productive as we thought. Maybe he's just still like you said just still kind of learning and jordan. Wilkins isn't going to overtake him. If if taylor's healthy most likely but is he going to be thorn in the side. Remember he had that three game stretch. We had nine carries each game and then they completely went away from jordan wilkins. So you know did he. Did he carve out a role in a multi back system. That's what i'm saying. You know to put it to to finish it up. When would you draft. Jonathan taylor right now. We were drafting again round. Three four three four turn. So i think you're right like about talent. I think that maybe a reason why they're not using him as much because they think there's talent there and maybe he's not ready because wilkins and heinz have gotten the job done in their little opportunities so they don't really have a reason to give taylor more than twelve carries a week. Well who would you guys. Rather have taylor or c. h. I'd rather have taylor. I think i would too dave. Your last bilo is lamar jackson. Who's been a disappointment especially where you drafted him. But i do think that there will be some great games ahead. I love is scheduled for the fantasy playoffs. He's he's another one who just for whatever reason the passing hasn't clicked this year like it did last year. And he's not running quite as much and if he is it's not quite as hyper efficient as he was in two thousand nineteen. I think that can flip. Yeah well look. He's still on pace for nine. Hundred thirty nine rushing yards. So i've been saying this sounds pretty good basically has to be a little bit better as a passer. And he's still going to be really good for you. I'm saying the best is yet to come for lamar jackson. Ben your favorite bylaws. One of them is a teammate of mark jackson. You've got of lamar jackson you've got mark andrews and you've got james conner so mark andrews He is not getting a lot of targets. But which is not a surprise but anyway Go ahead mark andrews. He's not the targets aren't there and the last two weeks. He's two for twenty one and three for thirty two and andrews roles. He's going to have a sixty yard game with two touchdowns pretty soon and he's still a top five tight end because the tight end position is so bad so someone frustrated with those last two weeks may wanna get rid of them and andrews. This have the sixth easiest schedule for tight end of season. It may not matter too much because targets. Just aren't there. But i think lamar jackson's going to click. I agree with the bilo. Dave and i think mark andrews is going to be a beneficiary. I think that that's what would help. Lamar jackson click remember. There was this whole big deal during the offseason about lamar's gotta be a better throw or downfield. And maybe he just he he. He's not going to be there. He may not get there until next year with those passes to mark brown and they worked in devon devon and there were some passes even as recently as last week where he did get the job done. But i think if you wanted to get lamar jackson back on track. Go to the guy who's been his most reliable pass catcher since he started taking snaps two seasons ago and that was mark andrews. He's always done a nice job thrown into andrews. They need to get him going. You know i had some guys. I was gonna throw out at you. As are they buy lows and one of mine was the the old squeaky cricket away wrong. So what the. Thank you for destroying the crickets out. That's the windshield wiper. Rockies brown mark brown was are we just the windshield wiper in the desert no water whatsoever. You sing is just rubbing on the wind shear. They finally got the right. Would sorry about that. How can you be a squeaky wheel a game after you call it a touch because he had to three targets set targets in the game out there tweeting about no targets. But i don't know he's gonna be up but he's been up and down his whole career so i think it's tough to trade for a guy after a tussle career games in his second season. Yes little career short career. Yeah so as mark andrew. That's kind of the thing with the with the ravens. They don't have a lot of passing yards. So they need hyper efficiency. Brown is still leading the team. This is the target breakdown for the ravens. Even after brown said to targets and sneed just had a big game brown forty four andrews thirty nine sneed twenty two boykin twenty two still those two guys getting most of it know as it should be. Yeah i i would. I could make the case for him as a buy low. But i've always been kinda high on him. I think the bottom line is if they give them targets he's going to produce andrews is currently the number seven tight end. Npr okay so soon because kiddle not going to be around. James conner was your other one. So is he really bilo. What do you think under fifty rushing yards. Two of the past four games mutt people might be frustrated with them fifteen touches and six straight and he has a great upcoming schedule so i still think he's a high end rb to low end rb one so if you can get him at an rb to price. I'm all in if you can. That would be great. It would also be great to buy a ferrari for twenty five thousand dollars. I if the argument could be made that. James conner is a high and that if you wanted to go and get a running back that seems to score. Every week is the main cog in the steelers offense. And they're eventually gonna have to do something to change up their offense because the short passing game that they've been doing is gonna get snuffed out pretty soon so that they can do is lean on or even more. I know they might not want to do that. But i think that it would help them. Diversify a little bit and the other thing is taking shots down that established taking shots down field. Well they need some speed in order to do that. And i don't know if i if data is healthy he could be that guy and claypool size can give him that opportunity. We'll see but if they do establish that that'll help. Connor be more efficient as a running back. Yeah he's having a really good year and connor dow dallas this week. Cincinnati next week jacksonville. Wow he's got. I mean he's got some really good match up coming up he's he's the number eleven running back and full. Ppo that's it So i get if you ask me. Where did he ranked coming into the year. Or coming into today npr. I would have said a lot higher. So i get ben's point okay. Well look is we're gonna get some some. Oh we have our fantasy midseason awards scheduled for today to so we'll try to get to those bests. Mvp lv best waiver wire pickup. Second half breakout all that stuff. But it's been a pretty stressful week really stressful day tuesday because the trade deadline yeah. Trade deadline was just Very crazy words. Packers just won't do anything to help out aaron rodgers. We're seems like they tried but cer- look everybody's probably a little on edge right now and it's been a tough year. We know that so when you need a moment to turn it off and hit reset you need a moment to chill and that is when you reach for cores light. It is made to chill. Dave richard so i knew that i was going to talk about this on the podcast. My daughter's birthday is actually today. happy birthday thirteen. happy birthday. hillary yeah so she wanted a brand new bed frame for her birthday. We order it online. 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It made me come back and enjoy the rest of my evening after a tough day putting together a bed and get coors light in the new look delivered straight to your door at get dot cores. Light dot com korean company golden colorado celebrate responsibly. All right your favorite sell highs so this is fun. Because dave says tj hodgkinson's sell high. And i think ben had him as a second. Half breakout superlatives right. Oh yeah all right fight fight. Tj hopkinson. i'm not saying to get rid of tj hopkinson. But i wonder if his his perceived value is higher than what is actual value is now when it comes to tight ends. He's been he's been really good the last four weeks. He's scored in three of the last four games and npr last week. He gave you thirteen points. But he's given you seven or fewer points nine. Pr and three of those four games eventually. Kenny golladay will come back. I still view him as a touchdown or bus tight end. And if somebody in your league is trying to put together a god squad and they're they're a tight underway and they're willing to over pay with tj hopkinson man. Go for it. Because he's not that much better than the types of streaming tight ends. That are out there so you. You make the conscious choice to stream tight ends. This is a great week to start doing it eric. Ebron logan thomas for two guys that you can pick up robert tanya if we're before the if you're listening to this before the thursday night game he could be somebody that steps up without that run game. They're for green bay. You can stream tight. End decently trae burton's another name and if you can sell high on arkansas. I'm telling you to get rid of them. But if someone's looking for a tight end they might overpay for him based on what the stats have been for them. The touchdown yeah specifically over the last four weeks. I don't think he keeps it up and scores a touchdown every week. Yeah i had made the same exact case last week. I thought he was a great sell high just because he was like you know having a nice year but not really truly breaking out so if you had to tight ends it was perfect but now you get the golladay injury and he got ten targets in the last game. Staffer threw the ball out more. So ben is that factory. And why do you have hopkinson. As a second-half breakout stafford will continue to throw the ball up over five targets over. Fifty yards averaged in the games without golladay. I think he's a top five tight end. Maybe six or seven. But i don't really want to get rid of him and i'm a bit scared to stream tight ends with hopkinson who i think is going to have a good floor without golladay. If galaxy was there. I agree i to get rid of him. And i don't think the touchdowns will stay up. If he can get five catches four catches and fifty yards. every game. maybe a touchdown. I like that for my tight end. If you could turn consenting to mark andrews would you do it i would put andrew's in my top five you know. I'll give you a bold prediction you ready. I need like Like some music here. Any longer addiction scary prediction jordan. Reed is better than tj hopkinson. Rest of season jordan reed. We'll have to better weeks than tj hopkinson. I agree he might only play two more weeks. Exactly all right per game That's the beauty of streaming. That's also assuming that jordan reed is back in action soon. Let me stop. Slowing everybody down mike evans and todd gurley our next for dave on the sell high list girly. We've talked about a lot. His schedule gets tougher. he's got a by coming up. Has the saints twice and the bucks once before this season's over and he never catches the ball but he does of eight russian ties. I so i think we're all on the same page girl. Would you trade girly for clyde edwards helaire and or jonathan taylor. I think it's close with those guys. So i would say yes if i if i felt really good about my running back than i wanted to have like if gurley was my third running back yes i would do. That was my first running back. I don't think i'm selling high. I think i've got it. Just you know running back at that case. Got gotta keep them. Mike evans so high. He had a great game. He's coming off of what i think will probably end up being one of his last great games of the season. I do expect antonio brown to make a big difference in this passing aim. He'll be the better downfield threat. Godwin's going to get healthy. He's going to be the short area threat. Where does that leave mike evans. Maybe as the red zone guy. Four catches for fifty yards and a touchdown feels like his ceiling. Now moving forward were. I shouldn't say moving forward moving forward with brown and godwin on the field. But what if god when is out for like four to six weeks. The obviously helped mike evans and they'll feel stupid for saying what i'm saying. It's possible so okay. Well that's that's what was the report that was going to be a much longer injury. Then they would've still selling you can sell them and gronk is a factor. Too like evans is the only guy scoring touchdowns from the one yard line and now gronk is getting more involved. So i agree it is you know evans will be good if godwin is out but it is a good time to sell evans if you can. Yeah and what happens. When mike evans has three. Catch thirty yards zero touchdown game. Which could happen. As soon as this week against the saints saints have done a good job. Taking mike evans away over the course of his career. You're not gonna get the same type of value form then. You got to wonder what the cover is going to be like. 'cause he gets the saints then carolina. They've been great against wide receivers and then he might get jalen ramsey. I don't know who jalen ramsey would shadow if the wide receivers shadows right. Mike evans been playing in the slot. Decent amount this year. I believe i know he did. On on monday night. Okay benz by by So high so high seas me devin singletary. We talked about him on monday. Show not getting the goal line work. He's valuable. Yeah see what you can get for him and then decay metcalf you you little i. Why why you gotta hate on decay metcalf. My man and it is not hating on him. He's just the wide receiver three overall. I think he slides down to eight to ten range for the season. Maybe stays in the top five. But i'm talking downgrade that somebody like digs lock. It feeling get an upgrade somewhere else. Now he's to be up and down in terms of target share just like you want to sell lock after a big game. I want to sell either one of these guys after a big game. Because i don't think either one will finish in the top five. Okay fair enough and tyler. Lockett is actually believe it or not. I know that one huge game. He's averaging more pr fantasy points than decay. Metcalf the huge game. Yeah that's just kind of funny to think about bio meter so these are just some guys that i thought maybe could fit into bilo. You tell me if you agree. The bio meters zero to ten. How interested are you in buying low on the andre swift four seven. I thought he for sure would be one of dave's it badri. And peterson has forty two carries in his last four games and none of them have gone for more than ten yards. That is wild as he could be. Running at eight care should care. It is time. I know they should care every play andre swift warren. You i saw your tweet. His is going up. He had some bad luck last week. Get andrea swift right. If you can't that's why game seven right okay. good leonard. Fournette bio meter six sex who'd rather have recipes in will sweat for net or swift. I'd rather have swift now. I know you gave swift a higher note on the by a higher grade on the bio major. But i think some of that should also be you know what we perceive value to be what you'd have to give up for him But they're probably fairly similar. I guess. I think they're pretty similar. Right i agree that you'll have to give up more for swift than for four net but i think fantasy managers realized what for net could be. And that's the main back in tampa bay that pandora's box has been opened for that now he thinks so. Because i just feel like maybe one more fumble which could happen as soon as this fumble was really kind of a tough luck fumble. Khotan care though he was angry. he's so bad. Hatching the ball. It's believable. He's on his knees catching the ball. Cradles it in his chest and then it comes out. I sorry back to the bio meter cooper kupp. Six targets among wide. Receivers did just twenty-one targets last week but twenty five percent target share two touchdowns. That's weird for copies usually touchdown guy bio meter on cup and going into a by value a little lower right now five. But it's just because. I sent offers for cut this week in managers think is values pretty high after the game so i want cup but i'll give you have to pay. You're going to have to pay up for cup. And i don't think a lot of people wanna do it so if i could buy low on cup. It's like ten. But i think the reality i think ben's right it's like a five. He didn't have that great of a game. Considering twenty one target. So i thought maybe people wouldn't react that way but okay. Well there's some people that see twenty one targets and they go. Oh my god you know. That's a ridiculous amount of targets without thinking about well. How much did jerk off actually throw in the game. But he's always been all all season and really his whole career. He's gotten a lot of targets he's never been a guy that gets by on three or four targets game no but he had been going back to the last half of two thousand nineteen cup had been about six targets a game and then the first two weeks of the season five targets six targets but since then he's really gotten news ramped it up. Yeah robby anderson. Robby anderson is tenth in targets among wide receivers. He has only one touchdown this year. He's on pace for one hundred and two catches one thousand. Three hundred seventy six yards two touchdowns on one hundred and thirty four targets bio meter on robby anderson nine. Yeah i was gonna say eight. I think that this is a good bilo receiver to go get. Because he's been dragged through the dirt the last three weeks eleven thirteen nine p. Pr points and that was after the first five games where he was getting a lot of numbers. So i think that that could bounce back. Which side would rather have robby anderson and the andre swift or mike evans. Oh anderson and swift anderson swift. I think anderson and evans or even for the rest of the year. It's what i figured out how bad a denver wide receiver the got atlanta. Then vegas than miami than the saints. It's not it's a pretty favorable schedule these next four weeks. I don't even know if it's a bilo. it might just be go to the waiver. Wire jerry jeudy temperature if he plays david. You're seeing any any interest in denver in denver wide receiver. I think if you want to acquire one of these guys you you start setting up a trade by going after a bigger player on. Somebody's team and say okay. What are you gonna give me for. Alvin kamara and jerry jeudy and the will say what. You're going to need a lot to get those guys and then you okay. Well i'm not just judy. Then and then you hope to just kind of sneak them on your because if you go to somebody saying i offer you matt brita for jerry. Jeudy like they need a running back. They'll take that in a heartbeat. But the wonder well. Why are you going after jerry. Jeudy and the reason why you should go after. Judy is because he had a bunch of targets last week we know the talent is there. It's just a matter of time. It's kind of like the jonathan taylor think. He's another player. That had a ton of talent coming into the year lot of expectations and it just hasn't clicked form. And it's gonna and you want to have on your team when it does or. Is that going to be tim. Patrick patrick was playing better. It'd be patrick to it really could. But we don't know how he'll be. One comes back from this injury and asset for patrick but i probably like patrick moore. If he's playing if he's at one hundred percent he's probably the better pass catcher for drew. Lock style for now but i could. I could absolutely see judy i. I'm with you ben. I don't wanna give up anything big for judy. Well i don't even wanna give map reader for jury duty You know. Patrick is forty seven percent roster right now. And if he's playing you're going to want him against the falcons so keep an eye on it. Josh allen is my last guy on the bio meter four straight games with twelve to nineteen fantasy points. In six point per passing touchdown leagues. He played pretty poorly in two of them. Thought he played well against the jets. They just couldn't score. And i thought you couldn't judge them. Based on last week he through eighteen times. It was a windy game. They were able to run the ball successfully against the patriots. So i'm wondering he's got seattle this week so start with that then arizona. That should be a shootout then a by then. The chargers their thirtieth against quarterbacks so the upcoming schedules seems pretty good for josh allen. And he's running more now So i think it's a it's a decent case for a bilo on alan. What do you guys. Think bio- meter. I'm hesitant to do it. Just because he couldn't put up great numbers against the jets two weeks ago and i didn't expect them to have a great game against the patriots but i expected more than what he gave and maybe it was just because they were able to run the football finally for buffalo so i wonder if they're going to try and keep doing that against seattle in an attempt to keep russell wilson from doing his thing because knows their defense isn't very good at this point and if if if allen starts pressing we've seen the past couple of weeks especially in the red zone he's i i don't see him i don't see him getting the types of numbers that he did earlier this year. And i'm still. I'm looking at it right now. San francisco pittsburgh diverse new england. Those are the last four games will week. Thirteen through sixteen week seventeen. He's got my. I don't know if you play into week seventeen but that's schedule scares me. I don't want him to be my quarterback in the fantasy playoffs especially goes the seattle arizona then abide and the chargers looks good on paper. It makes sense. But i if you get him. Have another quarterback just in case. He doesn't deliver expectations and the time to trade for him is now because people that have josh allen are seeing okay is numbers are starting to dwindle. Maybe he was just you know first. Half stud okay. What are you gonna give me for josh allen. I'll give it an eight because of that reason if you're going to trade for him it's right now. Yeah look i. i also would say that. Even if he just reverts to last year's josh allen he's going to be better than he's been because he rushes you know he he's got. He's averaging thirty six rushing yards in his last four games which is a pace of five hundred and seventy six yards. We if you rush for five hundred yards or going to end up certainly being a top. Twelve quarterback probably top ten quarterback so production. Hasn't been there in the passing game. I think a lot of it might be john brown. So hopefully brown can get on track and help josh allen. Here's a new segment and it's called. Here's something that you're not going to care about. But i'm going to tell you anyway. D andre hopkins is going to face byron jones and i don't know if they'll shadow but byron jones davis white seattle stefan gilmore jalen ramsey james bradberry and darius slay games about that cares. Yeah precisely but told chelsea any of those guys closing out hopkins news and notes. Antonio brown is going to play this week. But bruce arians said quote it could be ten plays. It could be thirty five plays. I wouldn't anticipate sixty plays for sure. But we'll just see how it goes. Dave starting brown against the saints sunday night. I think he's a very good flex. Play map reader antonio brown. I think i'm gonna go brown and pr. And i might take them in non pr to. I'll go brown and both do you sort of get the sense. It's prime time since i came first game back. It's primetime put on shell. I mean there could also be some significant rust. How much practice has he had a couple of weeks worth. Maybe first time on the field with brady nine always played with brady before. And that's a good thing but it's alecky played a year with a game played a game with enough so i don't like i rankings. He was a top twenty receiver. And i just told myself. You're you're too excited about this guy. You gotta tone it down okay. Tevin coleman deebo samuel route this week jordan reed has a chance to play same with owl czar. The packers attempted to acquire will fuller but they weren't quite willing to pay up. Looks like the packers of a decent chance of getting cornerback. Kevin king back this week. He was listed as limited in practice. The patriots acquired isaiah ford from the dolphins for a sixth round pick. Andy dalton is on the reserve covid list. So he's out this week and the cowboys have not decided on. The starting quarterback could be cooper rush. Who who we here at gilbert garrett gilbert right yeah they're both are better than nucci. That's the good news. Detroit better than andy. Dalton detroit linebacker. Jared davis is on the reserve. Kobe lists that's a. That's a big blow for them chicago right tackle bob. Massey is on par with knee injury and backup off tackle. Jason spriggs is on the reserve kobe. List so right tackle could be a trouble spot for the chicago. Bears offensive line has been a trouble spot for the chicago bears for two seasons. Let's go to the game. Green bay san francisco china. When we finish this we will do our second. Our first half awards and fantasy cops and your apple podcast questions. Green bay at san francisco. Here we go stat of the game. The packers. I already gave this that. They are ninth in rushing yards per game. But that was basically. They're running backs. Have just been tremendous. Aaron jones touchdown in all five games all williams more than a hundred yards in both starts a touchdown and one of them. But you're not. You guys are hesitant to start a packers. Running back understandable so aaron rodgers is top seven. What's what are the tough calls in this game. Y'all let's at least with the packers. You're starting rogers or starting adams. I suppose it would be allen lazard if he plays in robert tonner ben. I'm gonna give you the first word. How do you feel about allen. Lazard fifty percent roster. Let's say he plays the forty niners. Give up the tenth fewest fantasy points to receivers if he does play a flex at best. I don't know if he'll be eased in. I don't know but the thing is roger's gonna throw a lot so he is a flex play. But i'd rather not start him in his first game back dave lazard. I'm not counting on employing. As of this point if he does play he's at best to flex. I do think tanya and can be an asset for green bay on june. Sorry my bad onion nyan. Might you know old habits die hard. I set the tone. I believe that he could end up getting a little bit more target. Share than we've seen because the run game is a humongous question mark. If they can't get going they've gotta move the ball somehow. Can we just address that. It looks like davis in a foggy shower right now. He put an instagram filter on. Did you know that sunlight coming through. I think but it's an instagram filter. Somebody we're keeping this. Dave keep it okay. Okay any better. I don't think okay. i'm just to filter. Who's who's the better flex in this game. Dexter williams tyler ervin or allen lazard crap on. I don't think there's crap on your camera. I don't think it got there. I think it's just the sun. Art adam i think lazard is gonna have the most catches and we can't predict the rushing yards or they're rushing touches so i'll play but i don't think was our plays so urban of running backs like we said earlier. Covert as the much better. Chance to rack up some receptions. Who's the best tight end in this game read it on you laze goes on. I think if replays dwelling has implying a lot. And he's a decent. And so i think maybe they split some tut some snaps. Oh i think they both play a lot. But i think read has kind of got this role based on what we saw earlier. This season of being way more of a pass catcher than a blocker dwell e is a little bit more of a blocker than a pass catcher. I wouldn't mind well if join redesign called up to play a terrible joke. Do you think they'll split dweller out wide and it'll be read between the lines. I told you it was terrible. You should stop. You should stop me. Okay would you start schultz or tight. End in this game are both tight ends in this game over. Scholtz would to how about evan ingram at washington or a tight end in this game. Ingram tongan ingram. okay nick. Mullins is about twentieth jamie and heath not ranked outside the top twenty four. Nick mullins is completing this year. Seven point four percent of his passes and averaging eight point six yards per attempt. Let that sink in. He's been mcmullan's. Mike get benched. I mean yes. If he throws interceptions he might get benched. The packers have one of the worst pass rushes in the nfl in terms of pressure percentage. They do. They have been pretty good against quarterbacks. You know the one thing the packers do if you're wondering the metrics say they have a bad defense. They can't get to the quarterback their yards per attempt is terrible. How are they doing this. The packers are the slowest pace team in the nfl. Fair thirty second pace not in situation neutral which is kind of gives an idea of how they want to run their offense but thirty second and pace overall so end. Diners are down low to in the niners even lower in situation neutral pace so this could be a game without a lot of possessions. A lot of plays being run kind of a slower game which isn't great for offense. Obviously i understand. nobody's trusting. Nick mullins i have nick mullins and nick foles in a league. Jared goff in baker mayfield. So i am all about saint nick's this week. Nick mullins and nick foles and there could be worse weeks to be starting those guys i suppose. Do you like love. Jah michael hasty. Dave what do you think i i like him. More the mackinnon in non pr. I will take mackinnon and full. We learned last week was after. Tevin coleman went out. He was in obvious running situations mckinnon and obvious passing situations except one series in the third and one series. In the fourth where mckinney. I'm sorry in the second. And the third where mckinnon was basically taking over and then in the fourth when they were playing from china was mckinnon every single play. And i thought mckinnon looked okay as a pass catcher running routes working after the catch. I thought he was fine. So i don't know where this idea of him. Having tired legs comes from. But i don't see him getting fifteen touches. I think he's a pr only type of play. I think hasty is at worst. A flex and pp are and maybe makes. The cut is a low end number. Two running back non. Pp are because of that rushing role and the packers are just terrible. Terrible most points. They have at the moment running backs but they also get the most daba who contributed that last week. I mean he had a a an amazing game packers defense. It's been all year. They've struggled with running backs and cal. Shanahan is the rushing wizard. Yeah so he can probably figure out something with hasty and he had a bad average last week. Whatever the two games for he was doing right so it's a great opportunity for him i. It's a great opportunity. I'm surprised that you're starting mckinnon over him even npr. Because yeah i did mention though. The packers are giving up the most receiving yards to running back. So that is a good thing. Second most With the most. But i got him with the second yards yards per game. Okay we totally yards per catch. Oh no the the second most yards per catch to running back okay. And they and the most yards per game to running back so whatever they've allowed seventeen or more non ppr fantasy points to a running back in four of their last five games chimera grocery ronald jones and dalvin cook so he those guys are. Those guys are a little better than hasty girly and ronald jones. That much better than these talent. Wise situation wise. I think situation. I think joe wasn't when they play only played. That's true so that was a game where jones was playing without fornet and got one hundred but of course in a in a better situation said he thinks he's the goes off. I think he does. I think he gets fifteen plus russia's because you can run on this packers defense and i think mckinnon plays a lot and i do like mckinnon as a flex npr. But i think hasty has the opportunity to go fifteen hundred score. So i prefer hasty both formats. But dave mackinnon npr. So i totally get that. Okay hey ben you might wanna come down. That was a little hasty happen. It'll happen but no hasty exit. Good rb to nothing. More than that dave brandon. Iu kendrick bourne. What do we do. You're starting you born as appr only by week replacement. Are you nervous about you. You are talking about a team now. Their last four games packers have held. Calvin ridley mike evans and chris goblin to a combined. Six catches for fifty yards will fuller and brandin cooks. Were good not great thirteen. Pr fantasy points. Each the minnesota wide receivers had five. Pr fantasy points each. that'd be the lenin jefferson. Obviously whether target's played a role in that but this team is pretty good against wide receivers. Nobody seems to buy it. I buy it a little bit but are you nervous about euchre us confidently starting him. I'm confidently starring him as a number two receiver. Okay would you start there. They don't have a lot of other targets. And i think eventually they'll play from behind. Would you start. I you see or dj more. I can non pr. i would do. I would start for sure. I think i'd go with him over more. Pr's while them carolina's at kansas city. This week corey davis or brandon. Aiyuk okay the packers. Dst eighth for jamie eighteenth for dave fourteenth for heath not super helpful there. Let's do our second half awards fire through these and then we'll get to the fantasy cops day of your fantasy. Mvp is my fantasy mvp. For the first half of the twenty twenty season as i kill seconds of time russell wilson. Mvp is russell wilson. Thank you yeah. He is actually only averaging about one more fantasy points per game than cuyler. Murray in four point passing touchdown leagues but drafted him after. Well they were. they were almost identical. And drafting. i know for a fact. By six point per passing touchdown leagues. He's averaging five more fantasy points per game than kyla. murray murray. by the way his seven rushing touchdown. So that explains the gap hard argue. Russell wilson he has been like almost thirty five points per game astronomical numbers in six point passing touchdown leagues and band. Your mvp was alvin. Kamara horrible. He's got horrible. Pick awful pick. I know this is. This is the third pick of the draft. Come on he's your mvp. Guess what the other first rounders have done this year. Nothing that's true so he has one game under twenty points. Adam it sucks. It was nineteen point. Nine points the due to start. He's the only stuff for the first round tomorrow's my mvp but yes russell's a good second option not my mvp you know dalvin cook is actually averaging more fantasy points per game in non pr then camera not too far behind. Npr missed the game huge game last week. I'm not worried. okay okay. the least valuable player dave. What got went with lamar jackson. He was drafted the first or second quarterback off the board and suddenly he was the first round pick. We laughed at those people who took him then and now look at what he's delivered this year. He's not even a top ten fantasy quarterback So far this season. I do think he turns it around. But the first half of the year least valuable. Pick outside of guys who got hurt like saquon and everybody else. Mccaffrey right okay. That's we didn't do any injury guys here. That's lamar jackson. Ben would release valuable. I had were there for a very long time. Then i realized cam akers was a fifth round. Pick cam akers as thirty seven touches this year. He's my lease valuable pick cam. It's a good call he's been a dud and swift is getting his turn and dobbins is getting his turn. Henderson has a an injury. But i was looking at their schedule. They have i think they have a really bad rushing schedule. Coming up the confirmed. Let's go to our next good. Our neck superlative. That would be the best waiver wire pickup. Then i'll start with you. It's james robinson he was a preseason waiver. Wire guy maybe week one waiver wire guy but he's a top five running back most touches of any running back in terms of percentage of their backfield and double digit points in every game to thirty plus point games. James robinson is the best waiver wire pickups of the you're so far and will be for the whole season david greasy also james robinson. The other guy. That ben was going to say was robby anderson also a good call cam akers on by this week then. Seattle tampa bay san francisco actually tough match-up seattle for running backs typically tampa bay's eighth against running back. San francisco's second. Then it gets easier after that. Our next category is i kill. Time is best dressed in epic yes best draft which. I broke the rules for sure did. Yeah i picked a whole team instead of just one player. 'cause i didn't wanna give russell wilson the fantasy. Mvp and the best draft pick. You think the seahawks. I just took a bunch of seahawks. Been superstar starters For every week that they've been healthy. It's ross its decay. It's lock it it's carson. I'm just gonna. Aj dallas this week. Vanisi pros fantasy football calculator. Adp and we'll just go through. All these seahawks will be chris. Carson was the first one off the board me to search chris. Carson was around to pick to ten tyler. La or decay. Metcalf was forty eighth. Well worth tyler. Lockett was fifty seventh. Worth bless me Russell wilson was fifty. I just sneeze case. People are wondering about osama russell. Wilson was right after tyler. Lockett fifty eighth kawamori was three picks after that. And that's That's what we're looking at. So top top sixty six but they probably based on what we see in they. Probably the top twelve picks. They've been that good. Okay ben for you. Best traffic was russell wilson to six around quarterback at that value. He's the winner. Worst draft pick for. Ben was lamar. Jackson were strapped. Pick for dave tyler. Hagi remember him. yeah. I remember him loved them. All off season thought he was going to evolve into a regular part of this rams offense he didn't we to and then he's been gone basically since then. That's had some mediocre pr game since week two game but now you can find him on. The waiver wire did not work out. Like i thought okay to gory. Is the second half superstar for ben. It's tj hopkinson. We already talked that not superstar by the way just second. Half star is a huge difference. Dave who's your second half. I think i did with superstar superstar talking. Baby okay superstar. Wow have you dave. Who's your second half superstar. Who else but antonio brown flecks this week. Three weeks from now he might be a top twelve receiver that you just run right back to starting without even thinking about ups or anything else. It's what he wants was once upon a time before beat started freezing and his helmet stop fitting and he started doing crazy stuff and some not so great stuff. But he's he's back he's playing and he's in great offense for him to shine so ben we had the late edition category which was the biggest waste of fabric or the worst waiver wire pickup. Did you have anything for this. Throw this at you all too late. Remember benny snell. It's nine hundred and russia's in week. One james conner is james. Conner hurt is james conner just sucking and he got benched stella's twenty-five russia's since that game hasn't gone over twenty yards since that game. We were telling people. Thirty forty percent on sally could be the next one who remember saying thirty or forty. I don't think i remember even saying twenty. I just wanted to the notes. It was pretty bad for snell. But otherwise i mean there's been some great pickups but smells bad i want to see how much he went for an hour in our podcast. Because i'm looking at fantasy. Football today are fifty league. He went from zero dollars to jamie. But i'm pretty sure. Jamie god him on like a sunday before the connor injury just on a on a whim. Radically so yeah. I'm trying to find some other big bids here that were bad. Forty one dollars on. Mike davis that made sense forty dollars. Devante freeman. that made sense does d ernest johnson qualified named after the nick chubb injury jocelyn did not work justin jefferson. Another good waiver. Wire guy seventeen dollars in this league. Yeah all right Thirty one dollars for the tavis. Murray i don't know what that was all about. Just looking one league here so okay. I think benny snell was a was a pretty good call. Good job ben proud of you man. Thanks i support all other bands even if they suck after week one moving on ladies and gentlemen fantasy Here we go. This is from weston. I need your help and regulating the proper. Use of an ira spot my commissioner. Had jalen rager in his ira but was activated on saturday but his lineup was already set so he was able to make it through sunday. Keeping reagan on. I are on our site. You are able to edit future lineup. So his week nine lineup was also set with rigor on i are and if he does not make any roster moves in week nine. The site will not force him to activate jalen rigor. I feel like this is a misuse of the i. r. spot but he says it's fair because the system allows it alleges other players have done it before what he is one of the fancy cops have to say if a player is not on i r. He should not be allowed to stay in and i are spot. If people have gotten away with crimes in the past there are still crimes in the future. This is not acceptable. That is very well said. I admit i actually accidentally did that with sterling shepherd when he played that thursday night game. I did not activate them and i apologize for that. I cheated accidentally one of the league's that we plan who put a. Dsp in his eye are spot. Got away with it. Wow i won't say who it is. I'm just gonna have a drink really really. Okay sorry next. One is for matty g. Last week i found myself scrambling to find a street defense. I dropped the colts and i added bought. This is from a couple of weeks ago by the way sorry. I dropped the colts who are on a by. I added boston scott with my waiver. Wire pick up. Because i saw several streams several streaming options at defense washington san francisco tennessee to name a few figured. I'd find a roster spot by sunday my opponent after already starting. The eagles defense on thursday proceeded to systematically add and drop five defenses. Which put them all on waivers and so after sunday's games with very few streaming options. I traded boston scott to the mile sanders owner for the bucks defense. My opponent claims it's a strategy recommended by a different podcast. But the consensus around our league is that it's shady. My question is is this a shady practice or accept acceptable strategy. I know. I put myself in the situation by waiting to add a defense. But i've done that many times. It never had this problem before we get a question like this. Several times a year usually happens in the fantasy playoffs where a manager will add and drop a bunch of kickers or whatever and put them all waivers fantasy. What have you say roebuck that. Because it's so shady and because there is intent of this crime in the rule book say if there's intense clear intent of this occurrence where you're dropping ten kickers dropping ten quarterbacks. You should have the option. The commissioner can override. It allow the team to add one of the guys hundred percent. A commissioner should allow anything any of those players to get picked up if the guy literally went through an added and dropped one after the other after the after the other guy if the guy adds a defense on wednesday and then drops them by saturday for a different defense. that's different kosher. Yeah totally big difference there. All right we got another fantasy cops question. This comes from apple podcasts. As we get into your apple podcasts. Questions from zack from illinois. Hey painting marvin reggie. Jeff robert montwaid colts. Yes i am the commissioner in a redraft league of twelve casual football fans i currently have. It's where the commissioner vetoes and approves all trades a fellow league members one in six and offering to trade his whole team to anyone. Everyone in the league tells me. I am a corrupt commissioner. If i veto a trade where both sides agree. I have most recently approved trade. That was jamison. Crowder for saquon. Barkley what do i do cops. You veto that trade. because it's redrafting saquon. Barkley is out for the year. That should not be allowed to happen. Agreed that's oculus. What's why do people do this. I would never be in a league where someone would ever do that. Because i'm going to be given jamison crowder for nothing. I'm saying why would help my team of on barkley be doing this. He's just he's one in six and he's just like oh i'm going to create chaos in my league. It's really mean thing to do. People wanna play fantasy. They wanna have fun. It's mead it's one of the same thing adam. And then i played. My father played fantasy football for one year and when he was mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. He dropped everybody on his team. I mean it's it's i can't believe my dad. Their dad is mean he is now you have to show that. You're you're league made sarong you have to veto that. Thank you for the fantasy cops questions keeping common gray the trade from apple podcasts. From mr give willfuller get chase. Edmonds running back currently single terry moss and most hurt. You gotta do it. It's an ugly running back room. You gotta do it. Yeah you need a win this week. You know edmonds gonna play this week. Maybe he'll have a feature role next week as well. That sucks they have to give up fuller but you said he could have the the role the rest of the way. But i wouldn't count on it. From john you're overpaying for edmonds josh in the hometown of richard pryor. I don't know where's richard pryor from. I wonder ben. I'll tell you all about richard. Pryor after the show i gives. Zeke geo bernard and maclaurin gives zeke gio and maclaurin. Get michael thomas. This is a little outdated myles. Gaskin and travis fold them if gas was healthy would. It's and even deal but given gaskins injury. No thanks what if you. Just look at it. As zeke zeke and maclaurin for michael thomas and travis fulcrum. I think that that is pretty clear. The biggest really buying into full them that much we all right. You have a horse. Yeah course from mighty reviewer. Give robert woods. Ngo bernard get stefan digs. Yes please good trade. I think you're i. I think it works because geos value going to sink as soon as joe mixing comes back. But we're thinking that schedule that. I laid out for josh allen. Obviously that's the same scheduled for stefan digs. David thinking that's next week for mixing could be. Yeah that's approaching it but because people a lot of people are asking. Can i drop gio. I think he's the most valuable. Just not certain. I wouldn't do it if i didn't have to. Well thank you for listening much. Appreciated we will have starter set for the afc home games tomorrow. We will have switched tomorrow as well at four. Pm eastern which dot com slash f f. Today for venture gave richard. I adam mazer talk to you tomorrow.

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Answering your questions on a Twitter Tuesday

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Answering your questions on a Twitter Tuesday

"Welcome giants fans. You are listening to the Valentine's views podcast here on big blue radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Edvin Thein of big blue view in today's show. We're going to do something that we really haven't done here at big blue radio at least not done enough of we are going to do a Twitter Tuesday at our website. We've been doing mailbags for quite a while now and recently almost all of the questions that we have been answering have been coming through the big blue view mailbox at big blue view at g mail dot com. Haven't actually had to solicit questions from our Twitter followers for quite a while. So what I thought I would do this week. I. I asked for questions on Twitter to the BBB mail bag and today what we'll do is. We will answer some of those questions that I got from our Twitter followers as we build up to the two thousand and nineteen NFL draft. All right giants fans. Let's get started here quickly with our first question. Joe burst wants to know could the giants. Go tight end with the seventeenth overall pick. Joe this is kind of an interesting one I did an appearance with Pat traina unlocked on giants earlier this week. And Pat asked me if I thought there was one sort of outside the box scenario that would sort of turn the draft on its head for the giants and the one that I mentioned is actually taking tight end actually at the sixth overall pick one of the things. That that we know TJ Hopkinson of Iowa is considered to be the best overall tight end in the draft. I know there are fans of Noah font as well. But for the most part Hopkinson is tight end one on most draft boards. What we also know is that the giants need some receiving help after trading. Odell Beckham, you know, they have sterling Shepard they have an Ingram tight end. They signed golden Tate. They're bringing back Korey Coleman in but they could still use a big wide receiver. And there are some who believe that that big wide receiver could or should be Evan Ingraham. To take Hopkinson at six or seventeen. If he still happens to be available, and to be honest. I don't think he'll be there at seventeen to take Hopkinson would allow the giants to play Angra m- more on the outside. Now, do I see this as a legitimate thing that the giants would actually do probably not? There are too many needs in other places too many connections between the giants and and Ed rushers defensive lineman. You know, they have needs at corner on defense. There's always the possibility that they'll take a quarterback somewhere along the way. So you know, offensive tackle, even perhaps the center position. I think all of those things could be more likely than using a pick on a tight end. And or a skill position player like a wide receiver like like decay Metcalf. For Hakeem Butler or Nikial Harrier, whoever you happen to to think is value at seventeen on. But if you want a scenario, that's that's outside the box. That's possible. I do happen to believe that Hocson is a player that the giants are attracted to so as an outside the box scenario. I would simply say keep that one in mind. All right. Let's move on to another question. Jay pollard. Eight eight eight wants to know what sense. Does it make to lock in on defense with the sixth pick? And to think that the giants just take a quarterback at seventeen. Isn't. It more doubtful that if they subscribe to not reaching for a quarterback. It's a bigger reach at seventeen taking the third or fourth quarterback rather than the second best at number six. Well, I look at it this way, it's how they set their draft board. If you're at number six, let's talk about quarterback if you're at number six and the top quarterback ranked on your board. If you're ranking prospects say one to fifty the top quarterback on your board happens to be, you know, for argument's sake will use Dwayne Haskins if you were. Board says that twain Haskins is the twenty fifth or thirtieth or thirty fifth best player than that's a massive reach to take him at number six, especially when you have so many defensive players who should be ranked in the top ten on most draft boards, the value in this draft and value is something that the giants talk about consistently the value in this draft in the top ten appears to be largely on the defense side of the football. So that is why I think the giants are so often connected to to defensive players to Quinton Williams. If he happens to fall to Josh Allen, if he happens to fall, Montas sweat. Rashawn Gary Brian burns, Devon white. Perhaps, you know, someone Ed Oliver perhaps someone in that, you know, someone out of that group of players. I think that that is where the value is at number six in terms of number seventeen. Once again, let's let's say that it's Dwayne Haskins. And let's say that that he's you know that he's ranked twentieth or twenty fifth on their draft board to take him at seventeen if they feel like he's a quarterback they could succeed with that is closer to realistic value. I don't see it as I don't see it as that much of a reach to say, oh, you know, if they didn't like this guy at six what you know. Then then why should they like him at seventeen because the value is closer to what they have on their draft board. If you know if that's the way, they want to go if they don't think the quarterback is value at six, then you take the player, you think can really impact your defense. I continue to believe I continue to think there's a strong possibility that the giants will not take a quarterback at all in the first round. Maybe they'll take one at thirty seven. Don't know. Maybe they will take someone like Daniel Jones at seventeen, but I'm not buying this argument that if he's not value at six than he's not value at seventeen. I simply don't see it that way. Alright giants fans another question that we have here comes from David freed and David wants to know. I don't see a lot of mock drafts with the giants taking a right tackle in the first round. Whereas I believe that is inevitable. What odds are you giving that the six or seventeenth pick is a hog, Molly? Well, David, let's put it this way. Haag molly's exist on both sides of the football offensive and defensive lines. I think we've established that somewhere along the way, you know, the giants will be, you know, we'll be paying a lot of attention to the defense in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. Pretty much. We you know, it would be a surprise at this point if the the sixth overall pick is not a defensive player most likely affront, seven guy, you know, and more likely than not an edge guy or an interior linemen. You know, like a Quinton Williams. You know, an edge guy like a Montas, sweat or Brian burns as we've talked about were, Sean, Gary, you know, whoever happens to be on the board there. I think that I'm not sure that I by the fact that you know, quote, unquote, not a lot of mock drafts have the giants taking a right tackle in the first round. I think that we quite often see, you know, someone like John Taylor of Florida if he falls to seventeen mach to the giants we see Andrei Dillard of Washington state or Cody Ford of Oklahoma mocked to the giants. And I think all of those guys are realistic possibilities for the giants in the first in the first round. So would someone like like if you wanna center Garrett bradberry would be guy, you know, who would get consideration in the first round if he's there at seventeen I look at six seventeen and thirty seven and have said this before you look at quarterback you look at right? Tackle you look at pass rusher. You look at cornerback. And if you really want to you could probably throw in wide receiver as as a fifth area, but focusing on those first four. Positions. I would think that somewhere in those first thirty seven picks where the giants have six seventeen thirty seven. I think you're going to see the giants hit three of those four areas. And I think right tackle is a huge priority. So at seventeen or thirty seven I think, it's very very very possible that the pick for the giants at that point in the draft would be a guy who could slide in at right tackle. Let's take a quick break for word from our sponsors. Then we will come back and answer more of your questions here on this Twitter Tuesday. Listeners. This is Luke Thomas show hosted MA finding if you like mixed martial arts and combat sports. You should check out our weekly show the M a our each Monday, we speak with top athletes of MA from world. Champions two rising stars also bring you in-depth analysis on technique in our Monday morning, endless segment. We talked to some of the brightest minds in the game. Plus, we answer your questions regarding the latest news and headlines of the world professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from SP nation. And I want to tell you about my new show. It seemed smart. It seems mart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up a mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall, don't do anything smart. All right giants fans. We're here on the Valentine's views podcast, and we are answering questions from giants fans for a Twitter Tuesday edition of our show. So let's get to our next question. Observer man, twenty four wants to know he says, I know everyone wants to upgrade our coverage unit. But should we look at taking coverage linebacker more than taking a cornerback? We obviously have to give Sam Bill and grant Haley chance to prove themselves, and I think taking the linebacker would solve our inability to cover tight ends and running backs. Observer man, I look at it this way, I've said it many many times I continue say it over and over the giants need help. They need upgrades. You can argue at pretty much every position along their defense. I'm not necessarily. I don't want to obsess about a coverage. Linebacker. I think Cornerbacks possibility at seventeen someone like Brian Byron Murphy, I think it's a possibility at thirty seven. It's a possibility in the third round. I think the giants absolutely have to upgrade their cornerback. You know, I'm not buying the notion that we that the giants have to give someone like grant Haley chance to prove them to prove himself. They will undoubtedly give Sam Bill along. Look they drafted him in the supplemental draft sacrificed a third round pick this time around to do. So they're going to give him an opportunity if they can up grade from grant Haley, they're going to try to do that. If they can add talent at the cornerback position. They're going to try to do that if they can add a good linebacker somewhere along the way, they're going to try to do that. I'm not going to sit here and say linebackers. Important than cornerback. I quite honestly don't think that it is. I think that what's important for the giants is to add good players at as many levels of their defense as possible when it comes specifically to cornerback. One of my views has always been that you can never have enough. Good quality coverage players so any Cornerbacks that they want to draft. I'm going to be in full support of of them doing just that drafting guys who can cover players in the back end of their defense. All right. Our final question for today comes from barchi, man. And he wants to know he says Dave Gettleman prefers quote adults. The last time fat Shurmur was a second year. Head coach the Cleveland Browns took a twenty eight year old Brandon Weeden in the first round. Do I have any concerns that the drains will look to draft the safety? Safest least dynamic quarterback if they take one in this draft. Listen, I think that what the giants are going to do if they take a quarterback isn't going to be an isn't going to be to take the quote, safest choice. I think they're going to take the player that they believe in. Whether that's a guy who looks like a safe choice like Daniel Jones. You know on paper. Maybe it's a guy who's a a flyer Eknath. Let guy with a with a huge arm like like a Tyree Jackson, you know, later on in the draft. They're going to take the player they think fits what they want to do the best. They'll take a quarterback at seventeen or thirty seven or later in the draft. You know, if they think it's value selection. You know, maybe later on in the draft that guy is Ryan Finley guy who maybe doesn't have the greatest arm in terms of arm strength, but also happens to fill a lot of the or check a lot of the boxes that Pat Shurmur likes in terms of personality in terms of accuracy, in terms of anticipation, a lot of those kinds of things. So, you know, I don't think it's about being safe. It's about selecting the guy that they think. Is right for them. And I've said this bunch of times maybe that guys in this draft. Maybe they take a flyer on somebody this year. Maybe they use a second or third round pick. Maybe the guy that they want isn't in this draft at all. And that's okay. If they don't take one if there's a guy if there's no one they really believe in no one they that Pat Shurmur says I really want to coach that guy which is one of his his things that that he says when he's asked about you know, what does he think about when it comes to quarterbacks in the draft. He one of the questions he asks himself is whether he really wants to coach that player. And and maybe Dave Gettleman has said, you know, he dreams about dropping a franchise quarterback or getting one for the giants. You know before his time as general manager is is over with. It's it's entirely possible. That guy's not in this draft class. And if he's not then that's okay. Okay. You don't take a quarterback just to take one? You don't take one because the media or the fan base or Mel kiper says that you should you take one because you believe he's the guy that can lead your franchise. And if there isn't one of those guys in this draft class. That's okay. If there is one they'll take one, and you know, they know they have to find a long-term replacement for ally. Manning, they know he's thirty eight years old. They know he's on the back side of his career. You know, they know his time is short. So they'll they'll do what they have to do. They'll do what they think is. Right. And when they find the guy they think can be the long term solution. You know, then they'll make the move and get the guy. So, you know, we'll just see what happens, but I don't think they're not going to go out there and find the safest least dynamic guy because then then there. Admitted if that's their philosophy than they're settling, you know, they're settling for average. So and I don't think that is the goal at all no matter who they wind up picking. All right giants fans that is our Twitter Tuesday edition of the Valentine's views podcast as always we. Appreciate you listening. Please give me a follow at big blue view on Twitter. If you haven't done that already, you know, join the community at big blue view dot com. Make sure that you subscribe to big blue view radio on all of your favorite podcast applications. Make sure that you check out the shows from Chris Fleming, Dan position to here on big blue view radio as we continue to try to cover the NFL draft from all angles. 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