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The MMA Reporters: Episode 1

Ariel Helwani's MMA Show

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 1

"As gentlemen. Welcome to and. Wanting. Well, this is very exciting. It is Wednesday January sixteen two thousand and nineteen. And this is a brand new program that we are offering to all of you, perhaps I should say the beat goes on my friends. This is a new little thing that we're doing and I'm very excited about it. It's the return of the roundtable each and every Wednesday, we will be talking with fellow Emma may reporters about the beat about the sport about everything that's going on in the sport of mixed martial arts. And as we all know, there's never a dull moment a lot of things are going on constantly in this sport. I'm very excited about this. I am area. Honi? Thank you so much for watching. We're calling this the mayor reporters, by the way because your call many moons ago. I said that one of my favorite shows was the sports reporters that shows no longer with us. But I think it's one of the greatest shows of all time. And I think that the business of covering MA is a fascinating world, and I wanna keep this going. So this is the mayor reporters, I hope. If you enjoyed I hope you're happy that we are back, and I'm very excited to get things kicked off. All right. Let's introduce the panel for this week. I'm being joined to my right. You can't see us. But trust me, he is to my right. He is the longest tenured and mayor reporter at this company. Bredahl commode. I'm right. Correct. Noted been here longer than you for a long time. I was the only one only shortlists true that short list out on the house, welcome. Yeah. No. Thank you. It's nice to be here in person and mazing that you were able to secure a budget to fly out here every week to record this. As quite amazing know, listen, it's a big it's a big time for the company in the sport. It's a it's an important on is falling from the sky to do these thought. And I'm actually going to ask you about that in a quick second. But let me just say Hello to my old friend, Jeff wagon Heim. Who's also joining us. It has been awhile since we talked Jeff it's good to see you again. And I can't confirm for everyone at home. You are rocking a Hawaiian shirt. Yes. Even even when his only audio is still have to like, hold true. I would wear a hat. To in HAMAs to another old friend, but we'll leave that for another day, speak all modules, if this is indeed the reporters than I would like you to refer to me as Bob Ryan. And I will bring my voice up to a much higher gas the rest of you want. It's your world. Jeff. Okay. So obviously, this is a very exciting time for the sport. It's I've seen exciting time for all of us who cover the sport at ESPN because on Saturday. It will be the very first you have seen ESPN plus card. It's TJ Dilshad versus Henry Suharto. I'm assuming if you listen to this podcast, you know, about the particulars, you know, about the details of this card. So let me ask you Bret you've been covering the sport for this company for almost a decade. Right. Eight nine years at this point two thousand eleven was I started how would you describe your feelings? Your thoughts on the Wednesday before the Saturday card after covering the sport here for so long. And let's on us ups and downs. Right. Sometimes you have to fight for real estate's. You have to fight for acceptance. Yeah. Here you are after being here for so long. And now seeing how excited the company is and how big this debut is this must be. A little surreal is not. I would argue that has to be the most real for me of anybody involved in this entire thing. And maybe that's a little biased. And maybe I'm speaking a little too highly of myself right now are only looking at through it from my lens. But for the last seven years, I mean, if the listeners had any idea, and look I'm not saying that I was out here and ESPN didn't care about what we were doing. But as far as trying to do different things and trying to relate to them. How important some things were. And some of the story lines that we did. And part of my job was selling myself and selling our content and asking them to put it up and asking them to to to invest money into it instant, send me a camera crew to go out. And do this thing, you know, there were projects where there was no video to go along with it not because I didn't want there to be video along with just because he was not where ESPN's interests were now the complete opposite and the amount of content and the amount of cool stories and breaking news. And I mean, just that must see moves thing that you saw online that just went out yesterday that. Is a type of stuff that I've been asking to do for seven years. And now he's is asking me to do it. So it's like a beautiful beautiful. Do you ever think that this would happen that ESPN would be the exclusive television home of the u of c in the United States? I absolutely one hundred percent did not I guess no curb by there. Especially because let's be let's be real. There was some people just company that just didn't like it for a long to. And so it's hard to think like, oh, yeah, we're going to have you on ESPN someday? When you knew that not only were not interested in it. But they actually disliked it, you know, in the mood has changed. There are people on in every company in the media, though, have who have demonstrated a dislike for the sport at some level. And you know, it's funny. I wasn't here. But I thought that he has PM was going to get on board back when they had the live show. Jon attic was hosting for quite some time. And they I thought at some point that that was going to translate into the next time that that you have see rights when up to bid that ESPN is going to jump in. And of course, it went. They went over to FOX for a while which was kind of like bringing up closer to the major leagues because they were sort of an outpost of Fox Sports network that didn't really exist the time. But now they've really they really. Really upped the ante Lodden to support with Brett saying I've been here at the company for the last two and a half years. But for most of that time until let just last few months, I was not working in the side of things and just didn't seem like there was a need to to bring somebody else over to help out. And even when I did start to do something. I may stuff it was mostly just filling in and then shortly thereafter, the the announcement came that this was happening, and I will say that I've been here in Bristol today and yesterday, and I got almost no no work at all done at my desk because I've been in constant meetings. Talking to this person talking to that person everything getting button-down for the Saturday. The the the amount of commitment that that folks here have to the sport if you're in MMA fan, and I'm sure you are if you're listening to this you should be really happy to know that the the biggest entity in sports media is really behind right now. Yes. Compare for you to FOX. Oh my God. It's drastically different. Is it really? He is any notes. So interesting is a great question because I was there for the launch. Right. So I see the way both are being launched on these new entities. The amount of resources that ESPN is giving an investing in the sport. Compared to what FOX did is night and day FOX, really as you said, they used the you have C to launch f s one in for a while they used it to prop up fuel TV. They didn't really invest all that much else in it. They didn't hire a ton of people for the website. They had one other show that was you have see tonight that was just an hour here. There's so many more research so much more programming platform more than a partner right at and look, of course. In their defense. You know, the time that FOX took the sport over there was the sport was in a way different place. I was no kinda McGregor. You know, Ron Arousa all those players that elevated the sport into a really a crossover thing that where people who, you know, my friends people in my generation who are huge sports fans. They didn't really care about the sport at all. They kind of looked at it the way that John McCain, you think about it just kind of like, why would you be interested in that stuff? But folks, like rows -i, and then then McGregor just brought things to different level. Where people who I still I marvel when I see people who I have known for for decades. And they'll ask me how's that kind of Gregor coming along. And it's like, wow, you guys are interested now. And so I I think the sport has has has ended up in a whole different place. And that's one of the things that's kind of exciting about being here because ESPN obviously can give it a a huge platform. And it's sport has kind of grown to a place where it can fill that huge platform. So when the UC. I went to FOX I think a lot of viewed it as a graduation of sorts like, okay, they've gone from cable TV to now Fox Broadcasting corporation. And this was going to be the on. They'll be household names and whatnot the deals over and we're moving out to the peon ehre. I don't think that really happened. Right. Like, I don't think that the FOX deal turned out the way they thought it was going is anyone of FOX creation in the sport. Like, they put DJ on FOX cards at least three times. They Benson Henderson a bunch of times. Like, no one I think really benefited from the FOX partnership, you know, knock on FOX. I just don't think it turned out the way they thought it would. No. I mean, what what you're speaking of. No like, FOX was not a star creator. If that's what you're saying. But I think they thought and wanted it to be right right in that in that regard fell short. I think just in general. I mean, just having a presence on on a network like us one which. At least at least one that you would see in a bar, and it was just kind of put in front of you more. Right. I think that's certainly felt more professional felt like a graduation, spike. Right. So I think just the overall sentiment and the overall feeling towards MA as like, oh, this is kind of like on the spike channel. It it grew up from the sport grew up a little bit on on FOX's airwaves. But no, it's not turn into this thing where it just started to generate and build a ton of guys like that that part of it was let me let me just finish. My thought before you to want to say that I feel a ready, and I don't feel like I'm being biased here. Like seeing Henry pseudo on I take feels like what they want it to happen with FOX's happening already. I you already start to see the dividends being paid off for this deal. Having these guys go on shows like that or PTI or having them on sportscenter to me will start to actually create stars like keep walking past TV? And there's another you have see highlight. There's another TJ dillashaw on sportscenter this big. And I feel like I'm the newest one in the company, right? Who's covering the sport? And for me. It's like it's still feels like I can't believe is actually cares about MA after all these years, and I really feel like the fighters are actually going to they are going to experience the biggest difference in all of this. They are going to become stars. And I think what they thought was going to have with FOX is actually going to happen. This time around that was that was basically where what I was getting at there only thing I was going to add was I thought that the the thing that the biggest star maker aspect of that that you're at FOX of the fighters was not what happened with the gloves on. But what happened when those guys were doing what we're doing right now talking to a microphone, right? Who would appoint we always knew the dominant. Cruise was a brilliant guy inside the cage. But who knew that he was even more brilliant in front of a microphone me. He can analyze a fight in ways that that just astound me. Now, you cornea huge huge personality. Not just you know. His his athletic achievements, speak for themselves. But but the personality that he conveys them. He is as good as anybody and just kind of exuding that almost you know, Michael Strahan, Terry Bradshaw guy. That's kinda fun guy to sit. And listen to aside from the fact that he really knows a sport. But he just has that kind of that kind of personality. So these guys I think that where some of the these guys really made advances the ones who who actually joined the other side. That's a great point. You're actually hundred right because those roles didn't exist in the spike garrison, then let me ask you guys about the debut because I think a lot of people are probably listening to this down. Like, oh, are we gonna get sixty minutes of fawning over the UFC Comey is answer? Is yet woke us all say this. I feel like this card falls short a little bit. When I heard that the, you know, the company SPN who was starting January nineteenth. I was like. Wow. What are they gonna do? Right. They had the heavyweight title for the first FOX card, right? This is this is going to be something special for the first ESPN card, regardless of its ESPN one. Two plus news. I don't care the first one you've got to come out strong. The main event is great, right? It's phenomenal. They're not big draws. But for the hardcore is I think we love this fight the rest is a little thin, right? I think it could have been better. And I think especially with the cancellation of two thirty three which was supposed to have an X week. They had an opportunity to make it better. And so I don't wanna say I'm disappointed because the main event is awesome. And it's pay per view worthy. But I do feel like it's a thin card, and it's not the car that I was expecting my crazy here. Jeff. Well, I was gonna say that. I heard you earlier today, I think it was on with Stephen and max, and you were talking about how surprise you're that. Greg hardy is in in the Coleman that I was just sitting there shaking my head thinking this. The whole reason guy exists is to be in Komen events. I mean to be it's about being a big name athlete from a mainstream sport. And and yeah, of course, he's got a lot of a lot of reasons to dislike him, but that's. That sort of that was my take he's with the decision to Dominican. Perspective. I think that I think the idea of him even being here is I mean as I've said on many occasions public labs Harbison unpublished. I've I've written on a couple of occasions about stuff that I don't think the guy belongs in the, and I certainly didn't think you belong on a card that also had a woman who was who who was involved in a domestic assault case that was as a lot of people use the term Tom deaf. And I think that's a really good good term for it. However from the perspective, and you know, frankly, I, you know, to speak truthful, you know, even from ESPN's perspective ESPN is trying to sell subscriptions to ESPN ESPN. Plus and one of the ways do to put two champions in the main event. But as you said, they're not not the huge issue just names in the sport. But you get a guy who was a Pro Bowl defensive back defensive end who was essentially banished from the NFL. People are gonna wanna see me go in there. And do something or maybe go in there and get beat up, and they're going to be some casual sports fans who may not even know how great pseudo and dillashaw are and they might just sign on just because they want to see this guy. Look the card could be better could be deeper. Of course, it could if you're a hardcore fan, and you're looking at this car I've seen better cards, and this is this is the launch. I mean, you can definitely make that argument. I'm okay with it because we have forty two events to fill this. Right. You know? And and as you as you both know timing plays a whole big role in this. And there was some circumstances with several guys that they wanted to get on a car that didn't want to be on the card or they couldn't be on the car because of injuries or whatever. I mean, I think that that there were options explored that ultimately, we're not seeing on this card, but I think actually kind of like the way it works out, especially with the main event because I love that Henry who don't teach dillashaw getting the rubber. They're getting right now because you knew that he is going to blow out from a promotional standpoint and coverage standpoint. Whatever the main that was and I I'm how legitimately happy for a guy like Henry who's fights at hundred twenty five pounds happy for a guy like TJ dillashaw who lost his title, very close decision. Dominick cruz. Wait, two years to get a rematch. I mean, this is kind of making up for some of those things, and when I was having some conversations with managers and fighters, you know, months ago this question got brought up like, well, how important is it to be on the first ESPN card is cool. But would we rather be on pay per view rather be on this or that? And I think at least for the main event like these guys are getting value out of this. I mean, this this was very very cool, and very very real the value that they're pulling from being the main event on this card, and I'm happy to see it go to the to that it's going to how do you feel about Greg hardy being on debut card? Look at the end of the day. Like, I don't I don't care about my personal feelings about Greg hardy being in the sport anymore. Like, I kind of feel like that's an irrelevant question at this point. Because everybody knows now what great. Well, I mean, we don't know exactly what happened, but we know the store. Right. And some people have thoughts on it. Some people have different thoughts on and those are going to change. So we could sit around here and talk about whether it's right or wrong. But at the end of the day were just talking circles. I mean, this is just it's a polarizing topic. Right. I'm more interested in now. Because of who he is and because of the way in which they're using him. And he's being rushed. I mean. But he's also got a lot of natural talent. I mean from sporting perspective. I'm I'm I am intrigued to see how he does. I will say that. But as far as like trying to speak to okay, look, I don't think he should be the main event, I think that that I think that that's almost kinda disrespectful to summit to two guys who've been fighting for longer than a year, you know, but as far as my personal feeling towards him as an athlete, I'm interested. I wanna see how he does I do. And so I agree with you like the train has left the station on Greg hardy the enemy fighter. It's been a reality for quite some time. You could have talked about this when he went on the contenders series. He has three pro fights under his belt. Let alone three amateur fights as well. So I don't think that that's the big question anymore to me. It was just the two parter afterwards. It was a putting him on the debut. Because look, you're doing interviews. You're right. We shouldn't be spending this much time talking about Greg hardy. He's not a mixed martial arts fighter. He's trying to become one. But let's be honest if the Saint Louis or they're not the same Louis Ceram anymore. The LA Rams of the Dallas Cowboys of the Buffalo Bills. Call them today. He wants to go back to the NFL. He can't go back to the NFL. So he's doing this. God bless you your China. You're trying to make a living. But I don't believe that if the UFC ESPN deal was starting in twenty thousand let's say starting in twenty twenty I don't believe he's in the UFC Berkley. They're expedited him, so I think it's almost bums me out that we have to talk about and we should be celebrating. The fact that UC finally made it to ESPN that Disney is in the business. We don't need to be talking about Greg hardy, and I feel like this was forced and it shouldn't have happened. And I also feel like partout after knowing what happened to Rachel ostrich. You shouldn't have done that. That was a tone deaf decision that part that part was terrible. That part tone-deaf almost doesn't go far enough to to describe that. I mean, it's just a bad decision. It's it's just in bad taste, but I wanna give. Jeff an opportunity because he was saying earlier, which which surprised you, and I think it's a prize me to that. You were kind of saying that you understand that putting them in the Komeda then and that you get surprised and what kind of like if that fight reloaded in the card. Do you think that the overall interest in this card as a whole would be lower? Because we we wouldn't be talking about him as much wouldn't be combing event. Well, I think that what I'm really thinking talking about as him being on the on the ESPN, plus the part of the card will you have to have plus in order to watch him. Right. Couldn't be the command could be six fights on that on that main card. So it could win the first fight in the main card. Maybe that would've been better would have solved both those problems. But I guess my point is I'm never I had almost the opposite opinion that you do that. I'm still really pissed off at this guy is is has his platform that he's and I feel like I also grew air that it's unfortunate. We have to talk about the guy, but it would be a disservice to not talk about the fact that he's in on this card in a fight. However, setting all that aside from omen and saying, okay, he's there I feel like in any fight card. The placement of fighters is promotion is is is advertising is is trying is TV business. It's not really I don't look at it as the fight business. If someone I know that there used to be a time when the up see always if they had two title fights, always have the heavier fighters. Heavier champion defend would be in the main event and the lighter champion would be lower. There was a kind of a hierarchy that was followed. And I've kind of lost that in Phil like, well, the the promotion has kind of gone away from that. And I feel like it's it's just how you going to sell tickets how you going to sell pay per view, or in this case how you going to get people to sign up for ESPN. Plus, that's really what the placement of these fights really comes down to what do you make of the way he handles it all from a PR perspective because let's be honest when you look at him in the cage, he is a frightening fellow right? Like, he just has. This look on his face. And you're like, whoa. And I don't think I'm speaking a turn here given his past it sort of makes you feel a little uncomfortable. Right. I mean, this man, I think he calls himself the prince of war. I mean, the whole thing just at times makes your skin crawl a little bit. And then. It never feels at least to me. And I think you were there right when he won contender series of Vegas. So were you in that scrum? He obviously, look he's done. The interviews about it. And I think he doesn't wanna keep rehashing it, and there is something to that. But it never feels when he's talking at least for my perspective. And I'm not face to face with him. I think tomorrow will have an opportunity to see him face to face at the media day in never feels like there is compassion. When he speaks about trying to turn a new page trying to be a different person or understanding why people feel certain way, and I look on his Instagram. And there's a lot of things about the haters. These like, you really not get why people feel the way they do about you. And sometimes I feel like when you try to fight fire with fire in these cases from a PR perspective. It doesn't work maybe sitting down and being a little more. I don't know. And I'm not his PR manager. And like he doesn't have to listen to me. But just trying to take off the journalists head for a second. I I wanna hear something from the like. Yeah. You do feel bad about what happened? Clearly, something has happened in your past you had issues you're not in the NFL anymore. I wanna feel like you feel something here, and I never feel that out of him. No. You don't you don't. But I mean at this point. When are you going to know ever, I'm speculating here, man? So I don't know. But but I would imagine that that he when when he fell he addressed it. And then you know, how these guys are. And you know, how people are in those types of situations. Like, okay, I'm done with the now, I've addressed it. I am moving all in my life. I don't care if other people do, you know, and and I as an individual is a PR manager, my tell him to think of slightly different that, you know. Hey, I get that that you moved on pass from this. And that it for you. It's healthy to to just kind of like separate that. And now, it's it's like you don't need to address it anymore. You need to go back there. But maybe four, you know, your own sake, you should. And maybe here's a way in which to do it. I mean, if I was his PR guy. That's what I would be telling him. But at this point. I don't think it's going to happen. I mean, he's had opportunities. And so this is just how it is. And I think you're right it infuriates people more. And I think a lot of people feel what you're feeling but didn't gonna happen with Greg hardy. I guess he's just the villains long. He's in this sport. That's what's going to be the poll to him. Yeah. And you know looking. His past. We know what we we've gone over his past with a fine tooth comb. And we know that he has not expressed any kind of remorse at least publicly that I've known of. And that's the kind of thing that that probably played a role in him being banished when the NFL NFL has a different kind of an image. They you know, when the video comes out of Ray rice, suddenly that guy is gone forever. The NFL has a different way of looking at things combat sports. Hey, who's the who's the the greatest boxer of our generation Floyd Mayweather how many times was he convicted of domestic violence more than one. I don't remember the number. But it certainly was was multiple times. He was convicted of and and he would say things like where the pictures where the pictures well in hardest case, you know, the website published. I think four dozen photographs of of of the woman who who accused him of his of domestic violence, and he was originally convicted. And of course after rec- after after. After having a a civil settlement with her. She disappeared was not able to be available to prosecutors to participate in the in the appeal and the appeal then resulted in him having his case thrown out. So, you know, he walks around as in the legal system as an innocent, man. But you know, those who have who've seen all these stories and seeing the photographs and and heard the stories about this. We have maybe a little different opinion about it. Do you think that the conversations actually stopped because that's and I wanna make it clear that I get we should always bring it up. I do feel that way and their fans out there who say, oh, no, you can't bring it out. No, I think that it is important to bring it up because it is an issue is an important issue. Just culturally, and it's also been in his past. And I don't think we should just sweep it under the rug, of course. But then it's like. You know in a situation like this. Then you're talking about more. And it's like, well, what are we really what really have say. Like, I just don't have much more to say about it. You see is made its decision. He's fighting in it. And so now, I just don't really get the I just don't really get which is just debating over and over like whether it's right or wrong on just like happened fair enough BBC with anything, right? Like you. Then you could say like, oh, what's the point in debating if Koby Covington got screwed? They made the decision, right? I mean, you could say that about every decision, but it's a conversation that changes kind of feels like at this point where I'm the same conversation about great hardy every time though, I gonna change anybody's mind. The fact that doesn't change in some ways makes makes that conversation relevant on an ongoing basis. And the example, I'll give you got you know, hardy who has his past and he comes across even now in a very surly kind of way. And so in a way as he said, Ariel it kind of it kind of makes you think about that pass a lot more. More directly. But then you look at some other fighters, you know, a guy like rumble Johnson who had himself convicted of domestic violence. But whenever I would either talk to him or semen interviews. He just seems like such a like a nice gentlemanly guy. And so somehow or other despite the fact that he has this past I think a lot of people are able to move past the because it looks you see him. And you think this is a guy that seems like whatever happened happened. But now he seems to be a kind of a nice guy. I mean, whether that's just a facade or not, I don't know. But I think sometimes appearances make a big difference. I think that's one of the ways in which Hardee's kind of surly manner is going to come back and haunt him for a long time. And so let's end on this as far as Greg hardy is concerned, and it comes back to our jobs because to your point I often get this. When I go on Twitter, and I know Twitter isn't the best sort of, you know, litmus test, but it's there and you read it on your phone. I do get a lot of fans who say stop talking about this. I'm tired, you're beating a dead horse. I don't wanna hear about it. I don't wanna hear about his past want to hear about the ostrich angle. All of this enough. I am surprised by that. But I do get it. And I and I get two things. First of all, I get that a lot of fans do not know who Greg hardy is or maybe weren't fans of football when he was a massive story in that sport. So to them it's like, okay guy on the past like, my brain sorta works in who is doing what an MA and that happened for years ago, and I don't really care anymore. And then a lot of just don't care and don't want because I'm getting that more often than not. And it's the point where I start to question myself like this. I feel like I haven't talked about it enough. And now, I'm starting to think like maybe I've talked about it too much. I get the sense from fans that they want us to stop. Talking about it. And at the end the day who are we serving we're serving the fans, right? Yeah. You get that impression as well. Yeah. And I can agree with it. I just I'm fine with having conversations about this. But I don't want it to be the same conversation every time, and I will say that you know, as I'm writing stories about Greg hardy as it continues. I will probably continue to include that I will write that. And almost in every story that I ever write about Greg hardy because I think it is part of the I know it is part of the stories wise here he'd be in the NFL that has had happened. So it's relevant. And so you add it every single time. Because it's it's it's fact, and it's part of a part of his story, and we should absolutely talking about the office situation because that is current, and it's it's new, and it's something that you should have opinions on. And it is good discussion. What I what I don't see any value in. And I think this is maybe what fans are saying is that don't have the same conversation every time and that I can agree with. Yeah. I mean, I guess for me. I mean, I I also I wrote some road something back in July when hardy was signed. On the more recently that we didn't publish because it just took a long time to get the thing. Right. And we ended up not using it. But back in July, we did publish something that was pretty critical of the and Chris critical of hearty and the blowback I got led me convinced that there there are people that. Yeah. As you say air, maybe there are people who just don't didn't know much about his past. The also he ultimately ended up not being found innocent. You know, that's the legal system time that way, and there are people who like to point that out. But frankly, I had to say it. But I think there are a lot of men out there who don't care about domestic violence unless it happens to their own sister. And and until that happens to some they care about someone they love it's somebody else's problem. And I just wanna see the guy fight. I think there's there's that element of people out there. You know, that's the starving to me. But it is what it is. Let's go back to the main event true or false bread. The flyweight division is on the line Saturday night. Henry who loses. It's gone Henry who'd a wins. It remains long-term false long-term. I think I think the division has gone away. Now Henry wins. I mean, look, I think if then they get into negotiation room, right? They get into. I don't think Henry pseudo is is opposed to going to one thirty five. I mean, we know that the guy's a big flyweight. I mean after his last fight he mentioned going up to TJ dillashaw. Did he not? I mean, he wasn't saying TJ come down to me. He was saying I'll go up he's willing to do that. But he he feels like, hey, if I'm going up, and I'm dropping my belt or fly with Vince going than than than I want my situation to change, you know, in the well, let's really changed. I mean, you're gonna title shot. I mean, it's the same flight. Need redo it. So I think that if he wins all that repeats itself. You know, they go in they talk about his situation. And if they feel like Henry who does a good investment, and they do feel like they need to redo his deal. And they're okay. Now, we're going to the best thing that could happen. For Henry who I believe is. He wins the fight. But it's not just this one sided thing. There's there's some drama in it people are are kind of thinking, oh, I wouldn't mind seeing that again. And now he's like he's got the win over the bantamweight champion. People are interested in seeing invite a second time, I think that would be a perfect scenario for Henry who don't if that happened. I fly with division will be gone. So Frank to answer your question long-term a year from now, I don't think I would division is going to exist. But Henry so who wins on Saturday? I think there's a chance it could exist. Six months from now, we could see another flyway. But if he loses it's done, it's done. I think it's done. Yeah. If you lose what do you think? Well, I'm not close enough to I'm not talking to people in the sport is like like bread is. I'm not. That close to the situation. I mean, I've read what I read, and I it seems like that makes sense. I guess I would just think about the personalities involved, and I think that for guy like Henry pseudo if if he wins his fight. It won't just be a situation of of money, and I can become richer by by moving up. There's gonna be something in his core. That tells him that that he's the real bantamweight champ. I mean, he just beat the guy that's Vaneman Cheb. I know his ten had to be ten pounds lighter to come and fight me. But I saw that guy across the cage. He's the guy that has been belt. I just went out there and beat him. And I think that's gonna make pseudo emboldened him to to wanna go right up there and get his belt. I think he's gonna look that way. He's going to say I beat the guy. I think they're going to be a lot of fans who are going to say they're not going to think about the fact that that the dill show had empty every ounce of water out of his body in order to step on the scale. They're gonna look at that fight. And it turns out this who gets his hand raised at the end, especially if it's a Finnish or something where where it's a pretty decisive victory. I think they're going to be people who are going to look at a dish don't show as diminish champion. And they're look at SA hudo as the guy who a stencil. Really is a is a uncrowned bantamweight champion. Don't you think? It would be a huge mistake to get rid of the division if he wins. Let's say let's say were wrong. And he wins on Saturday. Henry wins on Saturday say okay, we're still getting rid of it. It's done. Yeah. I find him to be incredibly entertaining indication out. I enjoyed talking to him. I think he's getting a lot better with his interviews. He's marketable. He speaks religious. He's a freaking Olympic gold medalist. Right. How many times because make can they say that they've had some silver? Medallists bronze is some Olympians but gold medallist. This is a very big deal. He beat the winningest champion of all time. And if he beats TJ they'll show that's a major feather in his cap. I don't wanna get rid of him. I don't mind seeing a rematch against Joseph benefit at one twenty five their first bite was phenomenal. And there are other guys coming up as well. Why I don't understand the insistence? Now, all of a sudden you have gotten rid of the DJ problem. He's gone. You didn't see I you didn't do good business with him. He's gone. Henry has an opportunity to be one of the faces of the you have C in my opinion. I think Henry is potentially more marketable than some of their current champions. Right. As far as doing interviews. He certainly a lot more entertaining. So why give like like why do this? I don't understand. Where's it's not like they're short on real estate? It's not like they don't have enough cards. Right. They just canceled a car you have another another bell. I don't get it. I honestly don't get it. Do you are you of the opinion that if he keeps winning? He just keep just it just keeps going literally. This is the flyway division. Is you think so I really truly do? I really truly do in the sense that. Chris. I was the featherweight champion. I think now it's going away because she's no longer the champion. They were going to keep that thing as long as she was the champion. Same thing's going to happen flyway. And I think that it's pretty darn cool. As Henry and his coach told me that people like Joseph benefit is and other flyweights match Nel who never trained with him in the past have come up to him and said, I want to help you TJ 'cause I feel like you're fighting for my job like this isn't some like concocted thing. Now, I understand the you can't come out and actually say this because people's livelihoods at stake here. But I really think that when you talk about those steaks, this is one of the most important fights. And you have see history like the division has never been on the line before. That's pretty damn awesome. Yeah. Everything that you're saying is certainly possible certainly possible. I guess a year is is. A lot can happen in a year's her and loses. Then. I think I think that they I think that they will be why. I mean, so it's almost like what was going on federal then that not a real division. But it's just kinda like have because they've already led people out of their contract. But there's still some left, right. There's still some names left. And there's the benefit is fight on this card as well. I'm just so impressed with pseudo these days, I really feel he's coming to his own. I think he's turned into a well rounded fighter. I don't want to see him fight a one thirty five I think he is best suited even though he's pretty big best sooner. Once he's figured out the way, cutting looks to be phonology. You see that picture of him? That was supposed to last week. I mean, he looks to be in tiptop shape. I don't get the rush all of a sudden now that is gone to get rid of it. It makes no sense to me. You say makes makes sense just like bread. You know, I get it. And I I would I also I would like what you put laid out that the result. I would rather see there being a two one hundred twenty five pound division. Then they're not to be one. Just because I think that having the fighter spread out and more divisions. Is a good thing having I feel like the worst thing that that happens in may in my opinion, this there's a lot of there's a lot of contenders for the worse than that. I made. But I'm gonna say the worst thing for me. Is this whole interim championship thing? Whatever they put out interim belt online, I feel like they should make it out of plastic or something it should be like one of the little, you know, we have like a fake you have belt in our office. And I sort of feel as your hand out that or something like little toy belt because they really don't respect it. And the reason that respect is is because it's not real. I mean, I think he's when I was writing these stories I would always refer to so. And so won the fo-, you know, well, the way bell there, whatever. And that was that was the way I felt. About it. So the reason they have to do that is because they want title fights all the time. And the reason they have the reason they have to do that and put another title on the lines because all the champions aren't always available. So how do you how do you avoid that predicament? Well, you you have more champions you have I love the idea of the one hundred and sixty five pound division. One fifty five one sixty five one seventy five one eighty five. Maybe it's just the mathematician to me, it just sounds more linear. It sounds sounds like it makes sense to me. But I like that idea. There are a lot of good fighters. I think that nobody could beat the major his Johnson at one twenty five and. I think there's a possible result where a very diminished T J dillashaw goes in there and loses to Henry pseudo. And it still does not elevate Henry to some kind of star status where he's he towers above all the other one twenty five I think there's I mean, I think you could see us situation invented Evita's is already beaten them. I could see benefit is going in there again and beating him I could see someone the other guys competing with them on a pretty strong level. So I would love to see one twenty five continue. But you know, what people like you? Br you know, you're you're around the sport a lot closer than I am. You're you're talking to people a lot more than I do. And I and I've heard other folks say the same thing that this thing is it's it's on the verge of being shut off the cliff, and I'm just waiting for it to happen. But for the record, I I mean, if it was up to me, I wanna see him stay, of course, I think flyweights are fascinating. And and they should find out what they have at Henry pseudo. You know, if he goes out and beats TJ Dilshad is huge win. He was great on on all use PIN's platforms. I've watched him on get up with with greeny. And what do you have that teacher dillashaw doesn't have? And he had a great. And he's he's like I got looks. I got you know, this. And that I mean, he he had great one liners very very good on camera. I think but I don't think that's what the see is going to do. I think that it's almost easier for them to just bite the bullet. If Henry Henry wins set up an immediate rematch, which will probably get criticized a little bit. But at one thirty five set up a rematch one thirty five man, you sell the storyline of TJ dillashaw was was to was to drawn out because because to Jeff's point, what do you do at TJ dillashaw? He's still the champion. So you kind of compromise that division as well. So I think it'd be easier for them to just say we're going to turn around we're gonna run backward and new new wait TJ dillashaw is going to be depleted. We're going to see the real T J dillashaw fight, and they don't have to deal to fly flyway division anymore because they don't want to deal with it. Anyway, I think that's the most likely say tomorrow is. And fell sun cell in the returning Dominick Cruz at some point they tell Koby Covington. I mean, there's so many people that have been that gives me a headache that scenario I mean could use plausible though. Absolutely danish. But holy smokes. Could you imagine? If that actually happens, the bantamweights might just go, I don't I don't know. Like, they'll go on strike or something. How do you explain it to them? I don't see that as as I don't see that as people being wrong on the same level of some other situation, we've seen I guess I feel like if you're a champion of a of another way class, and you end up jumping in front of the queue in order to get a title shot in a different way class. You've got kind of like your little special ticket because you have your championship belt. There are a few the people who few people who would say qualified in the same way, George saint-pierre jumping ahead of the the middle of Hugh. He was a legend in his way class any any any didn't retire. But he walked away from the sport as the champion. So you know, he was a defacto champion when he when he challenged for that way class. But but the you'll see has has on many occasions promise something to one person and giving it to somebody else. Holy covington. Michelle Tate of the two that come to mind for me. There have been numerous other ones. So I don't think that that the one thirty fibers are going to would cry if they will cry. Okay. But I don't know they would have the the strongest case now. And by the way, just because something happened in the past a mean, it's okay for it to have him. What he tell you? Two wrongs. Don't make a right come on. You're better parent than I than I mean. No, I do not wanna see that happen. I want to see actually. I want to see the air of the champ champs go away, or at least slow down a little man between US I was just looking at this earlier between you see one and UFC two four. There was one champ champ fight Japan versus George impure between two oh five. And now there's been four it makes no sense. And just the jewel champs. You remember when it forever, we BJ reineck tour, the only guy do it. Now, I need to kind of take a second to remember all of them and s should be the case feels like lazy matchmaking the Alner forget talking to Sean Shelby way back in the day at the time. He was the lower way class matchmaker. When show Silva was still around. He told me my job is not to create champions. It's creek contenders. That's my job. And to me when you do these fights not only is it lazy? But you're also bastardising your other events because you're now canceling out multiple divisions. And you need those divisions for future, pay per view and main events I want to see less of it. Like when I hear you. Bang say like, oh, one forty five when he's here. Woodley say when eighty five I like, the ehre of long, reigning champions, ESP Anderson Silva, Dmitri's Johnson, not balance. That's what I like. That's cool. Stephen Roach didn't last long, but that was cool though. Can I missed something? I'd be okay. He went to one forty five only because if you wins at one twenty five we of course. Okay. Yeah. But only because it's never been done before. I mean, the champ champ thing is overdone, but champ champ champion. Until someone can get four. No. But actually to your point. That's what I was thinking about as I remember when McGregor that this was a hugely not just because it was kinda McGregor because this something that that had not happened. But now it just happens like so frequently I was just talking to somebody here in the company who as we're ramping up for this big fight card on Saturday. There are people who haven't really followed the sport is closely. And we talked to them about things someone said only those two champions face each other. And I said, well, that's actually been that's actually happened before we really want to sell this fight in a unique way we could say, well, no, no champion has ever dropped down. Another person's way class and tried to compete. So that's that's the uniqueness of this. This added is fight. But the fact that two champions. No. And I I I don't know that I wanna see TJ go from one thirty five down to one twenty five then up to one forty five. That sounds like sounds like kind of crash died that I would. Put myself on and not very healthy. But yeah. But if he does that then we're going to be waiting for the first four four division simultaneous. And at least listening to this. Now hates hates me. Somebody will own every single title from from from flyway up to heavyweight, and that'll be the end of the whole whole thing right there. So of course, this is all moot point TJ dillashaw doesn't make wait you have spent some time with them. Do you have any concerns on this Wednesday afternoon that he is not going to make weight? I mean, you always have to have a concern. Right. But here's what he has on his side to big things. I do think that Sam Calva whether or not you believe that Saint Calva his strength and conditioning coach, but more. So his mad scientist that has come up with these algorithms, and he's former aerospace engineer who has come up with this formula to get these guys down down to weight and everything that he's told me and for me. I mean, he he told me Sam did they're cutting less weight at for this. They're cutting less water weight that we. The fight then than they did for thirty five which seems crazy to me an impossible. But he's got he's got that kind of mind on his side. I guess I the type of guy who will will diabolically go over every little detail that can't be a bad thing. Right. And TJ has on his side that he is a complete maniac. Dirty is insane. When I watched this guy workout right next to other professional fighters. There's something different about what he does. I mean, he is. So dedicated he is one of the most dedicated professional, athletes, I have ever been around. So if anybody can do it, I think it's him. I my money is on. He makes this week. We are going to have a really cool photo feature coming up later in the week. We have embedded photographer with TJ's camp. And and we're going to be doing that. I'm not sure exactly when publishers, but we'll have to after weigh ins, and then I think even follow TJ a little bit during the rehydration process and all that. And I actually before we started doing this this afternoon. I I was in a meeting and someone showed me some of the. Photos, and it's and he looks you know, Lena me doesn't look like it doesn't have that. Like, everyone kinda McGregor would would wait what's up on the scale hundred and forty five pounds, and he looked like a skeleton because he was so drawn out. Then of course, the next night he'd come out there. And look look pretty good. Well, TJ hasn't is not at that point. I was he's not at the point yet where he has to do the waterway. But but he was he's looking very lean and doesn't look like there's there's a lot of extra X anything on him. But some pretty cool photo. So I would just say look for that later in the week as you look healthy. I mean, does any fighter ever look healthy dorm when they're in the process of preparing for fight. I don't know he doesn't look I've seen worse seen fighters who who and I'm not talking about just on the day of a way. And when you see someone practically need to be held onto the scale, and I've definitely seen so people that look like they they were. Very very unhealthy. He doesn't look that way. He looked like some of the photos were of him, you know, in pretty heavy workout. So he's clearly, you know, he's clearly not depleted to the point of compromising his his his his his training and his preparation. I would say his physical. Look does look different though. Yeah. When I was in when I was in Los Angeles. I went to his house and a stand. That's I waiting for him to open his garage door and the like the garage door went up and I saw him for the first time. Did you look different? You just looks like a kind of a different guy. I think like in what way I think it's maybe just everybody would I mean? Way cutting is going to affect the physical look different people differently, obviously. But he his face his face looks gone. I mean, it does it doesn't look like the sucked out thing. Jeff talking. I was thinking we will. I think it will when he gets on the scale. Yeah. But it's just he gets bony, man. The guy's face is just is just to just where is this gonna come off TJ? Where's it going to come off? But it's all in the formulas. Yeah. Because he's one of the leanest one thirty five right? Like when he weighs in thirty five. Just imagine an extra ten pounds. Always lean. Yeah. Yeah. Like eight percent body fat or some some he started number. He signed the contract, or at least agree to the fight twelve weeks ago. Twelve weeks from the day the fight he weighed one hundred fifty four pounds eight percent body fat one hundred and fifty four pounds eight percent body fat twelve weeks and don't forget he's supposed to have thirteen weeks. But they moved. They moved it up because it's called. Yeah. Good on him for accepting that because I think a lot of people say I need that extra week. Right. Just crazy, man. Okay. So you're on the record Brett that he is going to make way. That's your prediction. Yes. Jeff. I mean, I haven't been there all like reliance on say, my gut says. Wein says I'm Jay got says I'm not gonna make way for. Yeah. I guess says that he will be because he's because he's a professional and an elite athlete, and he's not a guy who. Who have seen have any problems in the past? You know, what Henry pseudo has has missed wait before, you know. So wouldn't that be the irony? If so does the guy that it doesn't make it. That's the kind of thing that happened. It would happen in this. Yeah. After all the talk. Okay. So all go on the record is. Well, my prediction is he makes wait. But let's say he doesn't make wait. Yeah. I wanna give Henry in his team a piece of advice, and it's kind of playing off something that they told me earlier this week do not do not way in I wait till he weighs in if he misses weight, then you come. But the key is you let's say Henry comes in teaching one twenty six go with this. Then you come in. You cannot come in at one twenty five because if you come in and one twenty five it's not a bantamweight eligible title fight. If he comes in twenty-six, come in at one twenty seven come in at one twenty eight and asked for his belt, and then the debacles turn, right? Could you imagine that I feel like that could happen? So for those that don't understand why. Has it w w contacted you to to write their stuff? David moss have reached out several. This would be great. Whether you're whether I I'm not sure what I like more reading your stuff bread about the actual fights that happen or listen to you talk about fights that the events that haven't actually happened. They may never happen. But they're just so brilliant. The we all live theater. One twenty six to one thirty five is a bantamweight title fight. Right. One sixteen to one twenty five is eight flyway title fight. So you have to win one twenty five for it to be flyway terrified if he misses wait by half a pound by pound by two pounds, Henry just chill weighing after and say, I want his belt. I don't wanna cancel this fight. I don't wanna fight Joseph interviews. I just wanna for his belt you win. Because let's be honest in this scenario Henry's losing out. Right TJ loses on Saturday. He's still champion. Henry loses. Not only the champion his division might be gone as well. Turn the tables on the I love it. I love it. I hate to a hate to poke holes. Okay. But what happens? So let's say who to wait and nine AM. Sits around waits for two hours because you know, the teachers early if he's heavy. Yeah. Let's TJ MRs. He's got an hour. He's got an hour to do it. I know. That's where it gets tricky. Yeah. Because then he has to weigh in as well. Okay. How about this? Okay. Great. He comes in slightly above. Yes. Takes hours. So let's say TJ comes in ten fifty nine at one twenty six. He gets an hour to your point. Okay. If I'm Henry I come in at ten fifty nine and a half one twenty six now. I know it's not that easy to be on top of his way into execute. This. Vagit, but it'd be on point on my God. That's why I'm so happy. We're doing the official way and show on ESPN. Plus, by the way, because I feel like there's going to be some gamesmanship here unless TJ comes in first. And then all the theaters just. Saban's going to compromise. Your whisper, you're you're very famous whisper you'll you'll it may raise up to the point hate when they come first because then there's no more entry. Yeah. Like just let it early a couple of months ago and Connor came in like an hour into things who's gonna miss way. It was going to have. That's great. That's good theater. I dunno. I just think it's look I don't think there's anything in the rule book that says they can't do that. Just change the fight. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm all in. All right. That's good. So should I go back to my office? And and change all the things about flow showmanship tonight. Yes, I won't publish those yet. But I'll get them all prepare. Yeah. He gets prepared for Saturday. I don't want their products. It seem like there's some funky business going on here. But I'm just doing it out as as an opportunity for maybe to turn the tables on them if you're Henry pseudo. Okay. Great advice, by the way, to to to Henry seem piece of advice. I did and TJ's team. Yeah. Don't talk about max Holloway before the fight. Don't even mention it. In fact, when you get questions about it when you say like, hey. Because you know, you're gonna get that question. Right. You know, you're gonna get the question of how you're moving down to one twenty-five whichever be interesting to one forty five third bell. You know, what if he was like, no, I'm good. You know, max Holloway is a beast. Like, look how big that guy is he'd always by thirty pounds. Like, I'm set here. You know to belts is good enough. What more do I gotta do legacy? And then just do a complete flip. After you beat Henry, you're in the cage be like max Holloway. I'm coming for you. Because then then the drop is huge. Now, we're kind of talking about Holloway. And then if you call them out, and he wants to fight he calls, and it's like, okay, we were kind of expecting it. What if what if he had said adamantly deny? No, I can never find always. It's just too big u-b-e-r. You're going for the WWE to man. The till you guys going to be like running the show there. It's just having a little imagination a little fun. This is the toy department, right? Sport. It is really part of the sport is a psychological side of it is great. And and yeah, yeah. Let's end on this because right before we recorded you broke the news at Darren till will be headlining the March sixteenth card in London against Jorges. Mas Waddell, also on that card gun Nelson versus Liane Edwards. If I'm Leon Edwards. I'm probably annoyed because I wanted that Darren till fight yesterday. We reported that wonderboy Thomson is going to be fighting Anthony PETA's moving up to one seventy. So there's three interesting seventy fights. That were just added a division that has been in focus as of late because of the Comorros into our in Woodley and co becoming tin love triangle, if you will of those two main events that are happening two weeks apart, which would you like better, which one wonderboy Thomson, Anthony Pettus or the 'til Mazda. Fight question. Intrigues me more till till magical. Why think part of it is because till is in London. So right off the bat. That's that's that's that's intrigue there. But also. I would say of those four I'm just just in general most intrigued by till because he's the youngest. And I think that that he was, you know, rushed in some sense into that fight. Tyron woodley. I anticipate him still having a great career I have more, and this is nothing against those other guys, but they're just a little older they're further along the careers. I I don't know what their until is going to end up being, you know, I don't think Anthony pet is going to be a welterweight champion. I think he's a heck of a fighter. I think like the fights that this guy is accepting is absolutely insane. And I seen Thomson could be a welterweight champion. He's not done yet by any stretch of nation. But I really don't know what their until it's gonna be is gonna find that home at welterweight as he has figured out the way cut is that his longtime home is he gonna turn into a middleweight is even fight Robert Whitaker somebody I have a lot of questions about until you know, that I I guess I don't have about those other guys. So I would say most intriguing I'm intrigued by till also specifically because of what happened in in his last flight, you know, when a guy who who comes in undefeated. Not only loses but get stopped and get stopped by guy. Who's, you know, most people think of the champ as a wrestler? I know he's got the big heavy hands. But think of they probably thought that if the fight was ended by one guy knocking other now, and they were probably thinking that it was gonna be till take it him down as opposed to Woodley literally taking him down like a wrestler would and beating up on the ground. That was what happened Woodley hit him knocked him down choked them out, and I would like to know for Darren till what what is that going to mean for him. Is he going to come go out there a little bit of different fight or sometimes guys if they take their first loss that that next fight is a little bit interesting to watch. And and this case he's going to be getting a guy who is not timid MAs would guys going to step forward. And it's going to bring a fight. And so I think it's going to be an interesting thing. I watch both watch all three, but that's the one that. I'm really, okay because I think actually all three are super intriguing. I don't really understand. Why Pettus is doing this other than he sort of in purge? Tores coming off the loss to Ferguson. So why the heck not wonder boys not getting a title shot as long as these champion? So why the heck not for both of them? So it's fun. But I don't really love it for Pettus. I love the Leon Edwards Gunnar Nelson. Fight Edwards is on a roll. This is a bit of a step up in terms of I dunno test. If you will. But let's forget it happened. So long ago that feels a long time ago, but he is coming off a win over Donald to Rony. So I think that's a nice little feather in his cap that was a main event fight in Singapore. So I love that fight as a Komen to me the Darren till fight is only intriguing because I don't like that. He's staying at one seventy I thought that. Okay. You lost? A woodley. I agree with you. It was too soon. Take this opportunity to test the waters at one eighty five. See how you feel see how you perform see how your body. Feels those way cutter scary for that guy and Muslims tough. He's been out for a longtime. But he's a game fighter. Right. You know? Pardon the pun, his nickname game bread. I wish he would have used this opera -tunities like Pettus, but for different reasons test the waters, see how you're feeling what's the one. Thing we learned in MMA last year guys who fight closer to their natural. Wait, actually doing better right asked north cut the list goes on and on. I don't like this for him. I wish he would take the opportunity to fight at one eighty five. Feels I agree. And I agree. I'm trying to put myself in his head. And maybe once you make that move to middle eight it's going to be real time ever, go back down if you ever wanted to maybe thinking, you know, if there's a shakeup at the top of welterweight. I mean, he's right there. He's always going to be right there. So I don't know. Maybe that's just as only hesitation is that once he moves up. It's doesn't have to be permanent. But I just and we get a fighter on to talk about it. But just in my mind, I would not want to move away class and then try to think about going back down. I would I would want to save that move until I felt it was permanent. Yeah. I'm worried I keep thinking about that one way cut prior to that that fight against wonderboy Thomson where he looked. I mean, we talk about on this show TV show. He looked like he was going to die. Why I missed Dallas. What what was the talk around over the look out of Hugh member. There was so much pressure on him. Right. And so I think that he really focused on it. He did everything possible to make sure he'd Wayne was a title fight. But that fight against wonderboy. Just a couple of months. Prior was scary. Remember he had that video. And then he took it down. Of course, super scary. So I don't wanna see that happening. Of course, way cutting going to be a big story all week long with TJ dillashaw fight that was just sort of on my mind when I saw your report guys, this has been a lot of fun, right? Yeah. It just kind of flew by. I wasn't mesmerized by the by the by Jeff shirt for about the first fifteen minutes. So be held accountable for anything I seven once. I felt like I was my son. Fortunately, there's no video component. But I feel like people have seen enough Hawaiian shirts. They can take Brett's word, and and and trust that it is a great twenty eight degrees out. I do I do face radio, though, gotta say that. So well, I hope this is the start of something very fun and exciting for all of us. I love talking with fell reporters about this great sport about covering the sport about all the storylines about all the fights. And I hope that it's the start of a very fun era in the history of the sport the UC on ESPN era that officially kicks off Saturday night in Brooklyn, New York, Brett appreciate it. My man, Jeff, shade it. Thanks so much for listening to all of you out. There. Check this out every Wednesday, it's on the same feat. So you don't have to go anywhere else. 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The MMA Reporters: Episode 1

Five Rounds with Brett Okamoto

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 1

"As gentlemen. Welcome to and. Wanting. Well, this is very exciting. It is Wednesday January sixteen two thousand and nineteen. And this is a brand new program that we are offering to all of you, perhaps I should say the beat goes on my friends. This is a new little thing that we're doing and I'm very excited about it. It's the return of the roundtable each and every Wednesday, we will be talking with fellow Emma may reporters about the beat about the sport about everything that's going on in the sport of mixed martial arts. And as we all know, there's never a dull moment a lot of things are going on constantly in this sport. I'm very excited about this. I am area. Honi? Thank you so much for watching. We're calling this the mayor reporters, by the way because your call many moons ago. I said that one of my favorite shows was the sports reporters that shows no longer with us. But I think it's one of the greatest shows of all time. And I think that the business of covering MA is a fascinating world, and I wanna keep this going. So this is the mayor reporters, I hope. If you enjoyed I hope you're happy that we are back, and I'm very excited to get things kicked off. All right. Let's introduce the panel for this week. I'm being joined to my right. You can't see us. But trust me, he is to my right. He is the longest tenured and mayor reporter at this company. Bredahl commode. I'm right. Correct. Noted been here longer than you for a long time. I was the only one only shortlists true that short list out on the house, welcome. Yeah. No. Thank you. It's nice to be here in person and mazing that you were able to secure a budget to fly out here every week to record this. As quite amazing know, listen, it's a big it's a big time for the company in the sport. It's a it's an important on is falling from the sky to do these thought. And I'm actually going to ask you about that in a quick second. But let me just say Hello to my old friend, Jeff wagon Heim. Who's also joining us. It has been awhile since we talked Jeff it's good to see you again. And I can't confirm for everyone at home. You are rocking a Hawaiian shirt. Yes. Even even when his only audio is still have to like, hold true. I would wear a hat. To in HAMAs to another old friend, but we'll leave that for another day, speak all modules, if this is indeed the reporters than I would like you to refer to me as Bob Ryan. And I will bring my voice up to a much higher gas the rest of you want. It's your world. Jeff. Okay. So obviously, this is a very exciting time for the sport. It's I've seen exciting time for all of us who cover the sport at ESPN because on Saturday. It will be the very first you have seen ESPN plus card. It's TJ Dilshad versus Henry Suharto. I'm assuming if you listen to this podcast, you know, about the particulars, you know, about the details of this card. So let me ask you Bret you've been covering the sport for this company for almost a decade. Right. Eight nine years at this point two thousand eleven was I started how would you describe your feelings? Your thoughts on the Wednesday before the Saturday card after covering the sport here for so long. And let's on us ups and downs. Right. Sometimes you have to fight for real estate's. You have to fight for acceptance. Yeah. Here you are after being here for so long. And now seeing how excited the company is and how big this debut is this must be. A little surreal is not. I would argue that has to be the most real for me of anybody involved in this entire thing. And maybe that's a little biased. And maybe I'm speaking a little too highly of myself right now are only looking at through it from my lens. But for the last seven years, I mean, if the listeners had any idea, and look I'm not saying that I was out here and ESPN didn't care about what we were doing. But as far as trying to do different things and trying to relate to them. How important some things were. And some of the story lines that we did. And part of my job was selling myself and selling our content and asking them to put it up and asking them to to to invest money into it instant, send me a camera crew to go out. And do this thing, you know, there were projects where there was no video to go along with it not because I didn't want there to be video along with just because he was not where ESPN's interests were now the complete opposite and the amount of content and the amount of cool stories and breaking news. And I mean, just that must see moves thing that you saw online that just went out yesterday that. Is a type of stuff that I've been asking to do for seven years. And now he's is asking me to do it. So it's like a beautiful beautiful. Do you ever think that this would happen that ESPN would be the exclusive television home of the u of c in the United States? I absolutely one hundred percent did not I guess no curb by there. Especially because let's be let's be real. There was some people just company that just didn't like it for a long to. And so it's hard to think like, oh, yeah, we're going to have you on ESPN someday? When you knew that not only were not interested in it. But they actually disliked it, you know, in the mood has changed. There are people on in every company in the media, though, have who have demonstrated a dislike for the sport at some level. And you know, it's funny. I wasn't here. But I thought that he has PM was going to get on board back when they had the live show. Jon attic was hosting for quite some time. And they I thought at some point that that was going to translate into the next time that that you have see rights when up to bid that ESPN is going to jump in. And of course, it went. They went over to FOX for a while which was kind of like bringing up closer to the major leagues because they were sort of an outpost of Fox Sports network that didn't really exist the time. But now they've really they really. Really upped the ante Lodden to support with Brett saying I've been here at the company for the last two and a half years. But for most of that time until let just last few months, I was not working in the side of things and just didn't seem like there was a need to to bring somebody else over to help out. And even when I did start to do something. I may stuff it was mostly just filling in and then shortly thereafter, the the announcement came that this was happening, and I will say that I've been here in Bristol today and yesterday, and I got almost no no work at all done at my desk because I've been in constant meetings. Talking to this person talking to that person everything getting button-down for the Saturday. The the the amount of commitment that that folks here have to the sport if you're in MMA fan, and I'm sure you are if you're listening to this you should be really happy to know that the the biggest entity in sports media is really behind right now. Yes. Compare for you to FOX. Oh my God. It's drastically different. Is it really? He is any notes. So interesting is a great question because I was there for the launch. Right. So I see the way both are being launched on these new entities. The amount of resources that ESPN is giving an investing in the sport. Compared to what FOX did is night and day FOX, really as you said, they used the you have C to launch f s one in for a while they used it to prop up fuel TV. They didn't really invest all that much else in it. They didn't hire a ton of people for the website. They had one other show that was you have see tonight that was just an hour here. There's so many more research so much more programming platform more than a partner right at and look, of course. In their defense. You know, the time that FOX took the sport over there was the sport was in a way different place. I was no kinda McGregor. You know, Ron Arousa all those players that elevated the sport into a really a crossover thing that where people who, you know, my friends people in my generation who are huge sports fans. They didn't really care about the sport at all. They kind of looked at it the way that John McCain, you think about it just kind of like, why would you be interested in that stuff? But folks, like rows -i, and then then McGregor just brought things to different level. Where people who I still I marvel when I see people who I have known for for decades. And they'll ask me how's that kind of Gregor coming along. And it's like, wow, you guys are interested now. And so I I think the sport has has has ended up in a whole different place. And that's one of the things that's kind of exciting about being here because ESPN obviously can give it a a huge platform. And it's sport has kind of grown to a place where it can fill that huge platform. So when the UC. I went to FOX I think a lot of viewed it as a graduation of sorts like, okay, they've gone from cable TV to now Fox Broadcasting corporation. And this was going to be the on. They'll be household names and whatnot the deals over and we're moving out to the peon ehre. I don't think that really happened. Right. Like, I don't think that the FOX deal turned out the way they thought it was going is anyone of FOX creation in the sport. Like, they put DJ on FOX cards at least three times. They Benson Henderson a bunch of times. Like, no one I think really benefited from the FOX partnership, you know, knock on FOX. I just don't think it turned out the way they thought it would. No. I mean, what what you're speaking of. No like, FOX was not a star creator. If that's what you're saying. But I think they thought and wanted it to be right right in that in that regard fell short. I think just in general. I mean, just having a presence on on a network like us one which. At least at least one that you would see in a bar, and it was just kind of put in front of you more. Right. I think that's certainly felt more professional felt like a graduation, spike. Right. So I think just the overall sentiment and the overall feeling towards MA as like, oh, this is kind of like on the spike channel. It it grew up from the sport grew up a little bit on on FOX's airwaves. But no, it's not turn into this thing where it just started to generate and build a ton of guys like that that part of it was let me let me just finish. My thought before you to want to say that I feel a ready, and I don't feel like I'm being biased here. Like seeing Henry pseudo on I take feels like what they want it to happen with FOX's happening already. I you already start to see the dividends being paid off for this deal. Having these guys go on shows like that or PTI or having them on sportscenter to me will start to actually create stars like keep walking past TV? And there's another you have see highlight. There's another TJ dillashaw on sportscenter this big. And I feel like I'm the newest one in the company, right? Who's covering the sport? And for me. It's like it's still feels like I can't believe is actually cares about MA after all these years, and I really feel like the fighters are actually going to they are going to experience the biggest difference in all of this. They are going to become stars. And I think what they thought was going to have with FOX is actually going to happen. This time around that was that was basically where what I was getting at there only thing I was going to add was I thought that the the thing that the biggest star maker aspect of that that you're at FOX of the fighters was not what happened with the gloves on. But what happened when those guys were doing what we're doing right now talking to a microphone, right? Who would appoint we always knew the dominant. Cruise was a brilliant guy inside the cage. But who knew that he was even more brilliant in front of a microphone me. He can analyze a fight in ways that that just astound me. Now, you cornea huge huge personality. Not just you know. His his athletic achievements, speak for themselves. But but the personality that he conveys them. He is as good as anybody and just kind of exuding that almost you know, Michael Strahan, Terry Bradshaw guy. That's kinda fun guy to sit. And listen to aside from the fact that he really knows a sport. But he just has that kind of that kind of personality. So these guys I think that where some of the these guys really made advances the ones who who actually joined the other side. That's a great point. You're actually hundred right because those roles didn't exist in the spike garrison, then let me ask you guys about the debut because I think a lot of people are probably listening to this down. Like, oh, are we gonna get sixty minutes of fawning over the UFC Comey is answer? Is yet woke us all say this. I feel like this card falls short a little bit. When I heard that the, you know, the company SPN who was starting January nineteenth. I was like. Wow. What are they gonna do? Right. They had the heavyweight title for the first FOX card, right? This is this is going to be something special for the first ESPN card, regardless of its ESPN one. Two plus news. I don't care the first one you've got to come out strong. The main event is great, right? It's phenomenal. They're not big draws. But for the hardcore is I think we love this fight the rest is a little thin, right? I think it could have been better. And I think especially with the cancellation of two thirty three which was supposed to have an X week. They had an opportunity to make it better. And so I don't wanna say I'm disappointed because the main event is awesome. And it's pay per view worthy. But I do feel like it's a thin card, and it's not the car that I was expecting my crazy here. Jeff. Well, I was gonna say that. I heard you earlier today, I think it was on with Stephen and max, and you were talking about how surprise you're that. Greg hardy is in in the Coleman that I was just sitting there shaking my head thinking this. The whole reason guy exists is to be in Komen events. I mean to be it's about being a big name athlete from a mainstream sport. And and yeah, of course, he's got a lot of a lot of reasons to dislike him, but that's. That sort of that was my take he's with the decision to Dominican. Perspective. I think that I think the idea of him even being here is I mean as I've said on many occasions public labs Harbison unpublished. I've I've written on a couple of occasions about stuff that I don't think the guy belongs in the, and I certainly didn't think you belong on a card that also had a woman who was who who was involved in a domestic assault case that was as a lot of people use the term Tom deaf. And I think that's a really good good term for it. However from the perspective, and you know, frankly, I, you know, to speak truthful, you know, even from ESPN's perspective ESPN is trying to sell subscriptions to ESPN ESPN. Plus and one of the ways do to put two champions in the main event. But as you said, they're not not the huge issue just names in the sport. But you get a guy who was a Pro Bowl defensive back defensive end who was essentially banished from the NFL. People are gonna wanna see me go in there. And do something or maybe go in there and get beat up, and they're going to be some casual sports fans who may not even know how great pseudo and dillashaw are and they might just sign on just because they want to see this guy. Look the card could be better could be deeper. Of course, it could if you're a hardcore fan, and you're looking at this car I've seen better cards, and this is this is the launch. I mean, you can definitely make that argument. I'm okay with it because we have forty two events to fill this. Right. You know? And and as you as you both know timing plays a whole big role in this. And there was some circumstances with several guys that they wanted to get on a car that didn't want to be on the card or they couldn't be on the car because of injuries or whatever. I mean, I think that that there were options explored that ultimately, we're not seeing on this card, but I think actually kind of like the way it works out, especially with the main event because I love that Henry who don't teach dillashaw getting the rubber. They're getting right now because you knew that he is going to blow out from a promotional standpoint and coverage standpoint. Whatever the main that was and I I'm how legitimately happy for a guy like Henry who's fights at hundred twenty five pounds happy for a guy like TJ dillashaw who lost his title, very close decision. Dominick cruz. Wait, two years to get a rematch. I mean, this is kind of making up for some of those things, and when I was having some conversations with managers and fighters, you know, months ago this question got brought up like, well, how important is it to be on the first ESPN card is cool. But would we rather be on pay per view rather be on this or that? And I think at least for the main event like these guys are getting value out of this. I mean, this this was very very cool, and very very real the value that they're pulling from being the main event on this card, and I'm happy to see it go to the to that it's going to how do you feel about Greg hardy being on debut card? Look at the end of the day. Like, I don't I don't care about my personal feelings about Greg hardy being in the sport anymore. Like, I kind of feel like that's an irrelevant question at this point. Because everybody knows now what great. Well, I mean, we don't know exactly what happened, but we know the store. Right. And some people have thoughts on it. Some people have different thoughts on and those are going to change. So we could sit around here and talk about whether it's right or wrong. But at the end of the day were just talking circles. I mean, this is just it's a polarizing topic. Right. I'm more interested in now. Because of who he is and because of the way in which they're using him. And he's being rushed. I mean. But he's also got a lot of natural talent. I mean from sporting perspective. I'm I'm I am intrigued to see how he does. I will say that. But as far as like trying to speak to okay, look, I don't think he should be the main event, I think that that I think that that's almost kinda disrespectful to summit to two guys who've been fighting for longer than a year, you know, but as far as my personal feeling towards him as an athlete, I'm interested. I wanna see how he does I do. And so I agree with you like the train has left the station on Greg hardy the enemy fighter. It's been a reality for quite some time. You could have talked about this when he went on the contenders series. He has three pro fights under his belt. Let alone three amateur fights as well. So I don't think that that's the big question anymore to me. It was just the two parter afterwards. It was a putting him on the debut. Because look, you're doing interviews. You're right. We shouldn't be spending this much time talking about Greg hardy. He's not a mixed martial arts fighter. He's trying to become one. But let's be honest if the Saint Louis or they're not the same Louis Ceram anymore. The LA Rams of the Dallas Cowboys of the Buffalo Bills. Call them today. He wants to go back to the NFL. He can't go back to the NFL. So he's doing this. God bless you your China. You're trying to make a living. But I don't believe that if the UFC ESPN deal was starting in twenty thousand let's say starting in twenty twenty I don't believe he's in the UFC Berkley. They're expedited him, so I think it's almost bums me out that we have to talk about and we should be celebrating. The fact that UC finally made it to ESPN that Disney is in the business. We don't need to be talking about Greg hardy, and I feel like this was forced and it shouldn't have happened. And I also feel like partout after knowing what happened to Rachel ostrich. You shouldn't have done that. That was a tone deaf decision that part that part was terrible. That part tone-deaf almost doesn't go far enough to to describe that. I mean, it's just a bad decision. It's it's just in bad taste, but I wanna give. Jeff an opportunity because he was saying earlier, which which surprised you, and I think it's a prize me to that. You were kind of saying that you understand that putting them in the Komeda then and that you get surprised and what kind of like if that fight reloaded in the card. Do you think that the overall interest in this card as a whole would be lower? Because we we wouldn't be talking about him as much wouldn't be combing event. Well, I think that what I'm really thinking talking about as him being on the on the ESPN, plus the part of the card will you have to have plus in order to watch him. Right. Couldn't be the command could be six fights on that on that main card. So it could win the first fight in the main card. Maybe that would've been better would have solved both those problems. But I guess my point is I'm never I had almost the opposite opinion that you do that. I'm still really pissed off at this guy is is has his platform that he's and I feel like I also grew air that it's unfortunate. We have to talk about the guy, but it would be a disservice to not talk about the fact that he's in on this card in a fight. However, setting all that aside from omen and saying, okay, he's there I feel like in any fight card. The placement of fighters is promotion is is is advertising is is trying is TV business. It's not really I don't look at it as the fight business. If someone I know that there used to be a time when the up see always if they had two title fights, always have the heavier fighters. Heavier champion defend would be in the main event and the lighter champion would be lower. There was a kind of a hierarchy that was followed. And I've kind of lost that in Phil like, well, the the promotion has kind of gone away from that. And I feel like it's it's just how you going to sell tickets how you going to sell pay per view, or in this case how you going to get people to sign up for ESPN. Plus, that's really what the placement of these fights really comes down to what do you make of the way he handles it all from a PR perspective because let's be honest when you look at him in the cage, he is a frightening fellow right? Like, he just has. This look on his face. And you're like, whoa. And I don't think I'm speaking a turn here given his past it sort of makes you feel a little uncomfortable. Right. I mean, this man, I think he calls himself the prince of war. I mean, the whole thing just at times makes your skin crawl a little bit. And then. It never feels at least to me. And I think you were there right when he won contender series of Vegas. So were you in that scrum? He obviously, look he's done. The interviews about it. And I think he doesn't wanna keep rehashing it, and there is something to that. But it never feels when he's talking at least for my perspective. And I'm not face to face with him. I think tomorrow will have an opportunity to see him face to face at the media day in never feels like there is compassion. When he speaks about trying to turn a new page trying to be a different person or understanding why people feel certain way, and I look on his Instagram. And there's a lot of things about the haters. These like, you really not get why people feel the way they do about you. And sometimes I feel like when you try to fight fire with fire in these cases from a PR perspective. It doesn't work maybe sitting down and being a little more. I don't know. And I'm not his PR manager. And like he doesn't have to listen to me. But just trying to take off the journalists head for a second. I I wanna hear something from the like. Yeah. You do feel bad about what happened? Clearly, something has happened in your past you had issues you're not in the NFL anymore. I wanna feel like you feel something here, and I never feel that out of him. No. You don't you don't. But I mean at this point. When are you going to know ever, I'm speculating here, man? So I don't know. But but I would imagine that that he when when he fell he addressed it. And then you know, how these guys are. And you know, how people are in those types of situations. Like, okay, I'm done with the now, I've addressed it. I am moving all in my life. I don't care if other people do, you know, and and I as an individual is a PR manager, my tell him to think of slightly different that, you know. Hey, I get that that you moved on pass from this. And that it for you. It's healthy to to just kind of like separate that. And now, it's it's like you don't need to address it anymore. You need to go back there. But maybe four, you know, your own sake, you should. And maybe here's a way in which to do it. I mean, if I was his PR guy. That's what I would be telling him. But at this point. I don't think it's going to happen. I mean, he's had opportunities. And so this is just how it is. And I think you're right it infuriates people more. And I think a lot of people feel what you're feeling but didn't gonna happen with Greg hardy. I guess he's just the villains long. He's in this sport. That's what's going to be the poll to him. Yeah. And you know looking. His past. We know what we we've gone over his past with a fine tooth comb. And we know that he has not expressed any kind of remorse at least publicly that I've known of. And that's the kind of thing that that probably played a role in him being banished when the NFL NFL has a different kind of an image. They you know, when the video comes out of Ray rice, suddenly that guy is gone forever. The NFL has a different way of looking at things combat sports. Hey, who's the who's the the greatest boxer of our generation Floyd Mayweather how many times was he convicted of domestic violence more than one. I don't remember the number. But it certainly was was multiple times. He was convicted of and and he would say things like where the pictures where the pictures well in hardest case, you know, the website published. I think four dozen photographs of of of the woman who who accused him of his of domestic violence, and he was originally convicted. And of course after rec- after after. After having a a civil settlement with her. She disappeared was not able to be available to prosecutors to participate in the in the appeal and the appeal then resulted in him having his case thrown out. So, you know, he walks around as in the legal system as an innocent, man. But you know, those who have who've seen all these stories and seeing the photographs and and heard the stories about this. We have maybe a little different opinion about it. Do you think that the conversations actually stopped because that's and I wanna make it clear that I get we should always bring it up. I do feel that way and their fans out there who say, oh, no, you can't bring it out. No, I think that it is important to bring it up because it is an issue is an important issue. Just culturally, and it's also been in his past. And I don't think we should just sweep it under the rug, of course. But then it's like. You know in a situation like this. Then you're talking about more. And it's like, well, what are we really what really have say. Like, I just don't have much more to say about it. You see is made its decision. He's fighting in it. And so now, I just don't really get the I just don't really get which is just debating over and over like whether it's right or wrong on just like happened fair enough BBC with anything, right? Like you. Then you could say like, oh, what's the point in debating if Koby Covington got screwed? They made the decision, right? I mean, you could say that about every decision, but it's a conversation that changes kind of feels like at this point where I'm the same conversation about great hardy every time though, I gonna change anybody's mind. The fact that doesn't change in some ways makes makes that conversation relevant on an ongoing basis. And the example, I'll give you got you know, hardy who has his past and he comes across even now in a very surly kind of way. And so in a way as he said, Ariel it kind of it kind of makes you think about that pass a lot more. More directly. But then you look at some other fighters, you know, a guy like rumble Johnson who had himself convicted of domestic violence. But whenever I would either talk to him or semen interviews. He just seems like such a like a nice gentlemanly guy. And so somehow or other despite the fact that he has this past I think a lot of people are able to move past the because it looks you see him. And you think this is a guy that seems like whatever happened happened. But now he seems to be a kind of a nice guy. I mean, whether that's just a facade or not, I don't know. But I think sometimes appearances make a big difference. I think that's one of the ways in which Hardee's kind of surly manner is going to come back and haunt him for a long time. And so let's end on this as far as Greg hardy is concerned, and it comes back to our jobs because to your point I often get this. When I go on Twitter, and I know Twitter isn't the best sort of, you know, litmus test, but it's there and you read it on your phone. I do get a lot of fans who say stop talking about this. I'm tired, you're beating a dead horse. I don't wanna hear about it. I don't wanna hear about his past want to hear about the ostrich angle. All of this enough. I am surprised by that. But I do get it. And I and I get two things. First of all, I get that a lot of fans do not know who Greg hardy is or maybe weren't fans of football when he was a massive story in that sport. So to them it's like, okay guy on the past like, my brain sorta works in who is doing what an MA and that happened for years ago, and I don't really care anymore. And then a lot of just don't care and don't want because I'm getting that more often than not. And it's the point where I start to question myself like this. I feel like I haven't talked about it enough. And now, I'm starting to think like maybe I've talked about it too much. I get the sense from fans that they want us to stop. Talking about it. And at the end the day who are we serving we're serving the fans, right? Yeah. You get that impression as well. Yeah. And I can agree with it. I just I'm fine with having conversations about this. But I don't want it to be the same conversation every time, and I will say that you know, as I'm writing stories about Greg hardy as it continues. I will probably continue to include that I will write that. And almost in every story that I ever write about Greg hardy because I think it is part of the I know it is part of the stories wise here he'd be in the NFL that has had happened. So it's relevant. And so you add it every single time. Because it's it's it's fact, and it's part of a part of his story, and we should absolutely talking about the office situation because that is current, and it's it's new, and it's something that you should have opinions on. And it is good discussion. What I what I don't see any value in. And I think this is maybe what fans are saying is that don't have the same conversation every time and that I can agree with. Yeah. I mean, I guess for me. I mean, I I also I wrote some road something back in July when hardy was signed. On the more recently that we didn't publish because it just took a long time to get the thing. Right. And we ended up not using it. But back in July, we did publish something that was pretty critical of the and Chris critical of hearty and the blowback I got led me convinced that there there are people that. Yeah. As you say air, maybe there are people who just don't didn't know much about his past. The also he ultimately ended up not being found innocent. You know, that's the legal system time that way, and there are people who like to point that out. But frankly, I had to say it. But I think there are a lot of men out there who don't care about domestic violence unless it happens to their own sister. And and until that happens to some they care about someone they love it's somebody else's problem. And I just wanna see the guy fight. I think there's there's that element of people out there. You know, that's the starving to me. But it is what it is. Let's go back to the main event true or false bread. The flyweight division is on the line Saturday night. Henry who loses. It's gone Henry who'd a wins. It remains long-term false long-term. I think I think the division has gone away. Now Henry wins. I mean, look, I think if then they get into negotiation room, right? They get into. I don't think Henry pseudo is is opposed to going to one thirty five. I mean, we know that the guy's a big flyweight. I mean after his last fight he mentioned going up to TJ dillashaw. Did he not? I mean, he wasn't saying TJ come down to me. He was saying I'll go up he's willing to do that. But he he feels like, hey, if I'm going up, and I'm dropping my belt or fly with Vince going than than than I want my situation to change, you know, in the well, let's really changed. I mean, you're gonna title shot. I mean, it's the same flight. Need redo it. So I think that if he wins all that repeats itself. You know, they go in they talk about his situation. And if they feel like Henry who does a good investment, and they do feel like they need to redo his deal. And they're okay. Now, we're going to the best thing that could happen. For Henry who I believe is. He wins the fight. But it's not just this one sided thing. There's there's some drama in it people are are kind of thinking, oh, I wouldn't mind seeing that again. And now he's like he's got the win over the bantamweight champion. People are interested in seeing invite a second time, I think that would be a perfect scenario for Henry who don't if that happened. I fly with division will be gone. So Frank to answer your question long-term a year from now, I don't think I would division is going to exist. But Henry so who wins on Saturday? I think there's a chance it could exist. Six months from now, we could see another flyway. But if he loses it's done, it's done. I think it's done. Yeah. If you lose what do you think? Well, I'm not close enough to I'm not talking to people in the sport is like like bread is. I'm not. That close to the situation. I mean, I've read what I read, and I it seems like that makes sense. I guess I would just think about the personalities involved, and I think that for guy like Henry pseudo if if he wins his fight. It won't just be a situation of of money, and I can become richer by by moving up. There's gonna be something in his core. That tells him that that he's the real bantamweight champ. I mean, he just beat the guy that's Vaneman Cheb. I know his ten had to be ten pounds lighter to come and fight me. But I saw that guy across the cage. He's the guy that has been belt. I just went out there and beat him. And I think that's gonna make pseudo emboldened him to to wanna go right up there and get his belt. I think he's gonna look that way. He's going to say I beat the guy. I think they're going to be a lot of fans who are going to say they're not going to think about the fact that that the dill show had empty every ounce of water out of his body in order to step on the scale. They're gonna look at that fight. And it turns out this who gets his hand raised at the end, especially if it's a Finnish or something where where it's a pretty decisive victory. I think they're going to be people who are going to look at a dish don't show as diminish champion. And they're look at SA hudo as the guy who a stencil. Really is a is a uncrowned bantamweight champion. Don't you think? It would be a huge mistake to get rid of the division if he wins. Let's say let's say were wrong. And he wins on Saturday. Henry wins on Saturday say okay, we're still getting rid of it. It's done. Yeah. I find him to be incredibly entertaining indication out. I enjoyed talking to him. I think he's getting a lot better with his interviews. He's marketable. He speaks religious. He's a freaking Olympic gold medalist. Right. How many times because make can they say that they've had some silver? Medallists bronze is some Olympians but gold medallist. This is a very big deal. He beat the winningest champion of all time. And if he beats TJ they'll show that's a major feather in his cap. I don't wanna get rid of him. I don't mind seeing a rematch against Joseph benefit at one twenty five their first bite was phenomenal. And there are other guys coming up as well. Why I don't understand the insistence? Now, all of a sudden you have gotten rid of the DJ problem. He's gone. You didn't see I you didn't do good business with him. He's gone. Henry has an opportunity to be one of the faces of the you have C in my opinion. I think Henry is potentially more marketable than some of their current champions. Right. As far as doing interviews. He certainly a lot more entertaining. So why give like like why do this? I don't understand. Where's it's not like they're short on real estate? It's not like they don't have enough cards. Right. They just canceled a car you have another another bell. I don't get it. I honestly don't get it. Do you are you of the opinion that if he keeps winning? He just keep just it just keeps going literally. This is the flyway division. Is you think so I really truly do? I really truly do in the sense that. Chris. I was the featherweight champion. I think now it's going away because she's no longer the champion. They were going to keep that thing as long as she was the champion. Same thing's going to happen flyway. And I think that it's pretty darn cool. As Henry and his coach told me that people like Joseph benefit is and other flyweights match Nel who never trained with him in the past have come up to him and said, I want to help you TJ 'cause I feel like you're fighting for my job like this isn't some like concocted thing. Now, I understand the you can't come out and actually say this because people's livelihoods at stake here. But I really think that when you talk about those steaks, this is one of the most important fights. And you have see history like the division has never been on the line before. That's pretty damn awesome. Yeah. Everything that you're saying is certainly possible certainly possible. I guess a year is is. A lot can happen in a year's her and loses. Then. I think I think that they I think that they will be why. I mean, so it's almost like what was going on federal then that not a real division. But it's just kinda like have because they've already led people out of their contract. But there's still some left, right. There's still some names left. And there's the benefit is fight on this card as well. I'm just so impressed with pseudo these days, I really feel he's coming to his own. I think he's turned into a well rounded fighter. I don't want to see him fight a one thirty five I think he is best suited even though he's pretty big best sooner. Once he's figured out the way, cutting looks to be phonology. You see that picture of him? That was supposed to last week. I mean, he looks to be in tiptop shape. I don't get the rush all of a sudden now that is gone to get rid of it. It makes no sense to me. You say makes makes sense just like bread. You know, I get it. And I I would I also I would like what you put laid out that the result. I would rather see there being a two one hundred twenty five pound division. Then they're not to be one. Just because I think that having the fighter spread out and more divisions. Is a good thing having I feel like the worst thing that that happens in may in my opinion, this there's a lot of there's a lot of contenders for the worse than that. I made. But I'm gonna say the worst thing for me. Is this whole interim championship thing? Whatever they put out interim belt online, I feel like they should make it out of plastic or something it should be like one of the little, you know, we have like a fake you have belt in our office. And I sort of feel as your hand out that or something like little toy belt because they really don't respect it. And the reason that respect is is because it's not real. I mean, I think he's when I was writing these stories I would always refer to so. And so won the fo-, you know, well, the way bell there, whatever. And that was that was the way I felt. About it. So the reason they have to do that is because they want title fights all the time. And the reason they have the reason they have to do that and put another title on the lines because all the champions aren't always available. So how do you how do you avoid that predicament? Well, you you have more champions you have I love the idea of the one hundred and sixty five pound division. One fifty five one sixty five one seventy five one eighty five. Maybe it's just the mathematician to me, it just sounds more linear. It sounds sounds like it makes sense to me. But I like that idea. There are a lot of good fighters. I think that nobody could beat the major his Johnson at one twenty five and. I think there's a possible result where a very diminished T J dillashaw goes in there and loses to Henry pseudo. And it still does not elevate Henry to some kind of star status where he's he towers above all the other one twenty five I think there's I mean, I think you could see us situation invented Evita's is already beaten them. I could see benefit is going in there again and beating him I could see someone the other guys competing with them on a pretty strong level. So I would love to see one twenty five continue. But you know, what people like you? Br you know, you're you're around the sport a lot closer than I am. You're you're talking to people a lot more than I do. And I and I've heard other folks say the same thing that this thing is it's it's on the verge of being shut off the cliff, and I'm just waiting for it to happen. But for the record, I I mean, if it was up to me, I wanna see him stay, of course, I think flyweights are fascinating. And and they should find out what they have at Henry pseudo. You know, if he goes out and beats TJ Dilshad is huge win. He was great on on all use PIN's platforms. I've watched him on get up with with greeny. And what do you have that teacher dillashaw doesn't have? And he had a great. And he's he's like I got looks. I got you know, this. And that I mean, he he had great one liners very very good on camera. I think but I don't think that's what the see is going to do. I think that it's almost easier for them to just bite the bullet. If Henry Henry wins set up an immediate rematch, which will probably get criticized a little bit. But at one thirty five set up a rematch one thirty five man, you sell the storyline of TJ dillashaw was was to was to drawn out because because to Jeff's point, what do you do at TJ dillashaw? He's still the champion. So you kind of compromise that division as well. So I think it'd be easier for them to just say we're going to turn around we're gonna run backward and new new wait TJ dillashaw is going to be depleted. We're going to see the real T J dillashaw fight, and they don't have to deal to fly flyway division anymore because they don't want to deal with it. Anyway, I think that's the most likely say tomorrow is. And fell sun cell in the returning Dominick Cruz at some point they tell Koby Covington. I mean, there's so many people that have been that gives me a headache that scenario I mean could use plausible though. Absolutely danish. But holy smokes. Could you imagine? If that actually happens, the bantamweights might just go, I don't I don't know. Like, they'll go on strike or something. How do you explain it to them? I don't see that as as I don't see that as people being wrong on the same level of some other situation, we've seen I guess I feel like if you're a champion of a of another way class, and you end up jumping in front of the queue in order to get a title shot in a different way class. You've got kind of like your little special ticket because you have your championship belt. There are a few the people who few people who would say qualified in the same way, George saint-pierre jumping ahead of the the middle of Hugh. He was a legend in his way class any any any didn't retire. But he walked away from the sport as the champion. So you know, he was a defacto champion when he when he challenged for that way class. But but the you'll see has has on many occasions promise something to one person and giving it to somebody else. Holy covington. Michelle Tate of the two that come to mind for me. There have been numerous other ones. So I don't think that that the one thirty fibers are going to would cry if they will cry. Okay. But I don't know they would have the the strongest case now. And by the way, just because something happened in the past a mean, it's okay for it to have him. What he tell you? Two wrongs. Don't make a right come on. You're better parent than I than I mean. No, I do not wanna see that happen. I want to see actually. I want to see the air of the champ champs go away, or at least slow down a little man between US I was just looking at this earlier between you see one and UFC two four. There was one champ champ fight Japan versus George impure between two oh five. And now there's been four it makes no sense. And just the jewel champs. You remember when it forever, we BJ reineck tour, the only guy do it. Now, I need to kind of take a second to remember all of them and s should be the case feels like lazy matchmaking the Alner forget talking to Sean Shelby way back in the day at the time. He was the lower way class matchmaker. When show Silva was still around. He told me my job is not to create champions. It's creek contenders. That's my job. And to me when you do these fights not only is it lazy? But you're also bastardising your other events because you're now canceling out multiple divisions. And you need those divisions for future, pay per view and main events I want to see less of it. Like when I hear you. Bang say like, oh, one forty five when he's here. Woodley say when eighty five I like, the ehre of long, reigning champions, ESP Anderson Silva, Dmitri's Johnson, not balance. That's what I like. That's cool. Stephen Roach didn't last long, but that was cool though. Can I missed something? I'd be okay. He went to one forty five only because if you wins at one twenty five we of course. Okay. Yeah. But only because it's never been done before. I mean, the champ champ thing is overdone, but champ champ champion. Until someone can get four. No. But actually to your point. That's what I was thinking about as I remember when McGregor that this was a hugely not just because it was kinda McGregor because this something that that had not happened. But now it just happens like so frequently I was just talking to somebody here in the company who as we're ramping up for this big fight card on Saturday. There are people who haven't really followed the sport is closely. And we talked to them about things someone said only those two champions face each other. And I said, well, that's actually been that's actually happened before we really want to sell this fight in a unique way we could say, well, no, no champion has ever dropped down. Another person's way class and tried to compete. So that's that's the uniqueness of this. This added is fight. But the fact that two champions. No. And I I I don't know that I wanna see TJ go from one thirty five down to one twenty five then up to one forty five. That sounds like sounds like kind of crash died that I would. Put myself on and not very healthy. But yeah. But if he does that then we're going to be waiting for the first four four division simultaneous. And at least listening to this. Now hates hates me. Somebody will own every single title from from from flyway up to heavyweight, and that'll be the end of the whole whole thing right there. So of course, this is all moot point TJ dillashaw doesn't make wait you have spent some time with them. Do you have any concerns on this Wednesday afternoon that he is not going to make weight? I mean, you always have to have a concern. Right. But here's what he has on his side to big things. I do think that Sam Calva whether or not you believe that Saint Calva his strength and conditioning coach, but more. So his mad scientist that has come up with these algorithms, and he's former aerospace engineer who has come up with this formula to get these guys down down to weight and everything that he's told me and for me. I mean, he he told me Sam did they're cutting less weight at for this. They're cutting less water weight that we. The fight then than they did for thirty five which seems crazy to me an impossible. But he's got he's got that kind of mind on his side. I guess I the type of guy who will will diabolically go over every little detail that can't be a bad thing. Right. And TJ has on his side that he is a complete maniac. Dirty is insane. When I watched this guy workout right next to other professional fighters. There's something different about what he does. I mean, he is. So dedicated he is one of the most dedicated professional, athletes, I have ever been around. So if anybody can do it, I think it's him. I my money is on. He makes this week. We are going to have a really cool photo feature coming up later in the week. We have embedded photographer with TJ's camp. And and we're going to be doing that. I'm not sure exactly when publishers, but we'll have to after weigh ins, and then I think even follow TJ a little bit during the rehydration process and all that. And I actually before we started doing this this afternoon. I I was in a meeting and someone showed me some of the. Photos, and it's and he looks you know, Lena me doesn't look like it doesn't have that. Like, everyone kinda McGregor would would wait what's up on the scale hundred and forty five pounds, and he looked like a skeleton because he was so drawn out. Then of course, the next night he'd come out there. And look look pretty good. Well, TJ hasn't is not at that point. I was he's not at the point yet where he has to do the waterway. But but he was he's looking very lean and doesn't look like there's there's a lot of extra X anything on him. But some pretty cool photo. So I would just say look for that later in the week as you look healthy. I mean, does any fighter ever look healthy dorm when they're in the process of preparing for fight. I don't know he doesn't look I've seen worse seen fighters who who and I'm not talking about just on the day of a way. And when you see someone practically need to be held onto the scale, and I've definitely seen so people that look like they they were. Very very unhealthy. He doesn't look that way. He looked like some of the photos were of him, you know, in pretty heavy workout. So he's clearly, you know, he's clearly not depleted to the point of compromising his his his his his training and his preparation. I would say his physical. Look does look different though. Yeah. When I was in when I was in Los Angeles. I went to his house and a stand. That's I waiting for him to open his garage door and the like the garage door went up and I saw him for the first time. Did you look different? You just looks like a kind of a different guy. I think like in what way I think it's maybe just everybody would I mean? Way cutting is going to affect the physical look different people differently, obviously. But he his face his face looks gone. I mean, it does it doesn't look like the sucked out thing. Jeff talking. I was thinking we will. I think it will when he gets on the scale. Yeah. But it's just he gets bony, man. The guy's face is just is just to just where is this gonna come off TJ? Where's it going to come off? But it's all in the formulas. Yeah. Because he's one of the leanest one thirty five right? Like when he weighs in thirty five. Just imagine an extra ten pounds. Always lean. Yeah. Yeah. Like eight percent body fat or some some he started number. He signed the contract, or at least agree to the fight twelve weeks ago. Twelve weeks from the day the fight he weighed one hundred fifty four pounds eight percent body fat one hundred and fifty four pounds eight percent body fat twelve weeks and don't forget he's supposed to have thirteen weeks. But they moved. They moved it up because it's called. Yeah. Good on him for accepting that because I think a lot of people say I need that extra week. Right. Just crazy, man. Okay. So you're on the record Brett that he is going to make way. That's your prediction. Yes. Jeff. I mean, I haven't been there all like reliance on say, my gut says. Wein says I'm Jay got says I'm not gonna make way for. Yeah. I guess says that he will be because he's because he's a professional and an elite athlete, and he's not a guy who. Who have seen have any problems in the past? You know, what Henry pseudo has has missed wait before, you know. So wouldn't that be the irony? If so does the guy that it doesn't make it. That's the kind of thing that happened. It would happen in this. Yeah. After all the talk. Okay. So all go on the record is. Well, my prediction is he makes wait. But let's say he doesn't make wait. Yeah. I wanna give Henry in his team a piece of advice, and it's kind of playing off something that they told me earlier this week do not do not way in I wait till he weighs in if he misses weight, then you come. But the key is you let's say Henry comes in teaching one twenty six go with this. Then you come in. You cannot come in at one twenty five because if you come in and one twenty five it's not a bantamweight eligible title fight. If he comes in twenty-six, come in at one twenty seven come in at one twenty eight and asked for his belt, and then the debacles turn, right? Could you imagine that I feel like that could happen? So for those that don't understand why. Has it w w contacted you to to write their stuff? David moss have reached out several. This would be great. Whether you're whether I I'm not sure what I like more reading your stuff bread about the actual fights that happen or listen to you talk about fights that the events that haven't actually happened. They may never happen. But they're just so brilliant. The we all live theater. One twenty six to one thirty five is a bantamweight title fight. Right. One sixteen to one twenty five is eight flyway title fight. So you have to win one twenty five for it to be flyway terrified if he misses wait by half a pound by pound by two pounds, Henry just chill weighing after and say, I want his belt. I don't wanna cancel this fight. I don't wanna fight Joseph interviews. I just wanna for his belt you win. Because let's be honest in this scenario Henry's losing out. Right TJ loses on Saturday. He's still champion. Henry loses. Not only the champion his division might be gone as well. Turn the tables on the I love it. I love it. I hate to a hate to poke holes. Okay. But what happens? So let's say who to wait and nine AM. Sits around waits for two hours because you know, the teachers early if he's heavy. Yeah. Let's TJ MRs. He's got an hour. He's got an hour to do it. I know. That's where it gets tricky. Yeah. Because then he has to weigh in as well. Okay. How about this? Okay. Great. He comes in slightly above. Yes. Takes hours. So let's say TJ comes in ten fifty nine at one twenty six. He gets an hour to your point. Okay. If I'm Henry I come in at ten fifty nine and a half one twenty six now. I know it's not that easy to be on top of his way into execute. This. Vagit, but it'd be on point on my God. That's why I'm so happy. We're doing the official way and show on ESPN. Plus, by the way, because I feel like there's going to be some gamesmanship here unless TJ comes in first. And then all the theaters just. Saban's going to compromise. Your whisper, you're you're very famous whisper you'll you'll it may raise up to the point hate when they come first because then there's no more entry. Yeah. Like just let it early a couple of months ago and Connor came in like an hour into things who's gonna miss way. It was going to have. That's great. That's good theater. I dunno. I just think it's look I don't think there's anything in the rule book that says they can't do that. Just change the fight. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm all in. All right. That's good. So should I go back to my office? And and change all the things about flow showmanship tonight. Yes, I won't publish those yet. But I'll get them all prepare. Yeah. He gets prepared for Saturday. I don't want their products. It seem like there's some funky business going on here. But I'm just doing it out as as an opportunity for maybe to turn the tables on them if you're Henry pseudo. Okay. Great advice, by the way, to to to Henry seem piece of advice. I did and TJ's team. Yeah. Don't talk about max Holloway before the fight. Don't even mention it. In fact, when you get questions about it when you say like, hey. Because you know, you're gonna get that question. Right. You know, you're gonna get the question of how you're moving down to one twenty-five whichever be interesting to one forty five third bell. You know, what if he was like, no, I'm good. You know, max Holloway is a beast. Like, look how big that guy is he'd always by thirty pounds. Like, I'm set here. You know to belts is good enough. What more do I gotta do legacy? And then just do a complete flip. After you beat Henry, you're in the cage be like max Holloway. I'm coming for you. Because then then the drop is huge. Now, we're kind of talking about Holloway. And then if you call them out, and he wants to fight he calls, and it's like, okay, we were kind of expecting it. What if what if he had said adamantly deny? No, I can never find always. It's just too big u-b-e-r. You're going for the WWE to man. The till you guys going to be like running the show there. It's just having a little imagination a little fun. This is the toy department, right? Sport. It is really part of the sport is a psychological side of it is great. And and yeah, yeah. Let's end on this because right before we recorded you broke the news at Darren till will be headlining the March sixteenth card in London against Jorges. Mas Waddell, also on that card gun Nelson versus Liane Edwards. If I'm Leon Edwards. I'm probably annoyed because I wanted that Darren till fight yesterday. We reported that wonderboy Thomson is going to be fighting Anthony PETA's moving up to one seventy. So there's three interesting seventy fights. That were just added a division that has been in focus as of late because of the Comorros into our in Woodley and co becoming tin love triangle, if you will of those two main events that are happening two weeks apart, which would you like better, which one wonderboy Thomson, Anthony Pettus or the 'til Mazda. Fight question. Intrigues me more till till magical. Why think part of it is because till is in London. So right off the bat. That's that's that's that's intrigue there. But also. I would say of those four I'm just just in general most intrigued by till because he's the youngest. And I think that that he was, you know, rushed in some sense into that fight. Tyron woodley. I anticipate him still having a great career I have more, and this is nothing against those other guys, but they're just a little older they're further along the careers. I I don't know what their until is going to end up being, you know, I don't think Anthony pet is going to be a welterweight champion. I think he's a heck of a fighter. I think like the fights that this guy is accepting is absolutely insane. And I seen Thomson could be a welterweight champion. He's not done yet by any stretch of nation. But I really don't know what their until it's gonna be is gonna find that home at welterweight as he has figured out the way cut is that his longtime home is he gonna turn into a middleweight is even fight Robert Whitaker somebody I have a lot of questions about until you know, that I I guess I don't have about those other guys. So I would say most intriguing I'm intrigued by till also specifically because of what happened in in his last flight, you know, when a guy who who comes in undefeated. Not only loses but get stopped and get stopped by guy. Who's, you know, most people think of the champ as a wrestler? I know he's got the big heavy hands. But think of they probably thought that if the fight was ended by one guy knocking other now, and they were probably thinking that it was gonna be till take it him down as opposed to Woodley literally taking him down like a wrestler would and beating up on the ground. That was what happened Woodley hit him knocked him down choked them out, and I would like to know for Darren till what what is that going to mean for him. Is he going to come go out there a little bit of different fight or sometimes guys if they take their first loss that that next fight is a little bit interesting to watch. And and this case he's going to be getting a guy who is not timid MAs would guys going to step forward. And it's going to bring a fight. And so I think it's going to be an interesting thing. I watch both watch all three, but that's the one that. I'm really, okay because I think actually all three are super intriguing. I don't really understand. Why Pettus is doing this other than he sort of in purge? Tores coming off the loss to Ferguson. So why the heck not wonder boys not getting a title shot as long as these champion? So why the heck not for both of them? So it's fun. But I don't really love it for Pettus. I love the Leon Edwards Gunnar Nelson. Fight Edwards is on a roll. This is a bit of a step up in terms of I dunno test. If you will. But let's forget it happened. So long ago that feels a long time ago, but he is coming off a win over Donald to Rony. So I think that's a nice little feather in his cap that was a main event fight in Singapore. So I love that fight as a Komen to me the Darren till fight is only intriguing because I don't like that. He's staying at one seventy I thought that. Okay. You lost? A woodley. I agree with you. It was too soon. Take this opportunity to test the waters at one eighty five. See how you feel see how you perform see how your body. Feels those way cutter scary for that guy and Muslims tough. He's been out for a longtime. But he's a game fighter. Right. You know? Pardon the pun, his nickname game bread. I wish he would have used this opera -tunities like Pettus, but for different reasons test the waters, see how you're feeling what's the one. Thing we learned in MMA last year guys who fight closer to their natural. Wait, actually doing better right asked north cut the list goes on and on. I don't like this for him. I wish he would take the opportunity to fight at one eighty five. Feels I agree. And I agree. I'm trying to put myself in his head. And maybe once you make that move to middle eight it's going to be real time ever, go back down if you ever wanted to maybe thinking, you know, if there's a shakeup at the top of welterweight. I mean, he's right there. He's always going to be right there. So I don't know. Maybe that's just as only hesitation is that once he moves up. It's doesn't have to be permanent. But I just and we get a fighter on to talk about it. But just in my mind, I would not want to move away class and then try to think about going back down. I would I would want to save that move until I felt it was permanent. Yeah. I'm worried I keep thinking about that one way cut prior to that that fight against wonderboy Thomson where he looked. I mean, we talk about on this show TV show. He looked like he was going to die. Why I missed Dallas. What what was the talk around over the look out of Hugh member. There was so much pressure on him. Right. And so I think that he really focused on it. He did everything possible to make sure he'd Wayne was a title fight. But that fight against wonderboy. Just a couple of months. Prior was scary. Remember he had that video. And then he took it down. Of course, super scary. So I don't wanna see that happening. Of course, way cutting going to be a big story all week long with TJ dillashaw fight that was just sort of on my mind when I saw your report guys, this has been a lot of fun, right? Yeah. It just kind of flew by. I wasn't mesmerized by the by the by Jeff shirt for about the first fifteen minutes. So be held accountable for anything I seven once. I felt like I was my son. Fortunately, there's no video component. But I feel like people have seen enough Hawaiian shirts. They can take Brett's word, and and and trust that it is a great twenty eight degrees out. I do I do face radio, though, gotta say that. So well, I hope this is the start of something very fun and exciting for all of us. I love talking with fell reporters about this great sport about covering the sport about all the storylines about all the fights. And I hope that it's the start of a very fun era in the history of the sport the UC on ESPN era that officially kicks off Saturday night in Brooklyn, New York, Brett appreciate it. My man, Jeff, shade it. Thanks so much for listening to all of you out. There. Check this out every Wednesday, it's on the same feat. So you don't have to go anywhere else. It's right there for you. Hope you enjoyed it. We'll see next week. Enjoy the fights this weekend.

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 10

Ariel Helwani's MMA Show

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 10

"Yeah. City. Did his Wednesday March twenty thousand in nineteen and this is going to be an interesting. This is going to be different from the other episodes that we've done and the reason I stress that I'm in New York City is because being in New York City is the reason why this is going to be a different kind of show. Let me explain for the first nine or so episodes of the show. I was doing it. In Bristol, Connecticut recently. My Wednesdays have changed. And now, I'm doing the show from New York City from ESPN's south street seaport studios beautiful studios. Here there's all kinds of famous people walking routes, very stuff. With that in mind. The reason why it has changed things is that I'm no longer in Bristol next to the other panelists. So it has sort of forced me to take a look at the show and see if it is worth rejigging a few things. So on this particular episode. I'm actually going to switch things up. I'm going to have three different reporters on in three different segments. So it's going to be one on one one on one one on one. I think this will provide us an opportunity to have different voices different perspectives. And I'm really excited about today's lineup in around forty minutes or so we're going to be joined by Laura SANCO, who's a UFC on ESPN backstage reporter. She was actually the reporter who was talking to Darren till excuse me, a Mazda Dolly should say when Mozelle was interrupted by Liane Edwards and walked up till the Edwards, and they got into that altercation. The now infamous three piece and a soda altercation. If you will so we'll talk to her about that about horr- is as far as being a reporter or. Her former fighting career how she transitioned this. I'm excited to talk to Laura about all that and more at around. Why won't give you the time because I don't want to tell you. I'm used to doing it on Mondays in around. I should say twenty five or so minutes, we're going to be joined by PT, Carol who's my former colleague at a may fighting who's one of the very best journalists out of Europe one of the very best journalists in this game period. Talked to him about Darren till talk to him about conham Gregor talked to him a little bit about some other things that happened in London. But first let me say Hello to my old friend year creek who is in Bristol right now who is standing by. And right off the top. We have to talk about what everyone is talking about on this Wednesday morning. And that is the news that was broken by T J dillashaw himself, very early this morning at around eight o'clock, a m eastern time he posted this on his Instagram and Twitter to all my fans. I wanted to be the first one to let you know that you sat up and the New York. State Athletic Commission. Have informed me of an adverse finding a test taken for my last flight while words can begin to express. How disappointed I am at this time. Please know that I'm working with my team to understand what has occurred and how to resolve the situation as quickly as possible out of fairness respect to the rest of my division. I've informed you have see that. I'll be voluntarily relinquishing my title while I deal with this matter I want to thank all of you in advance for the support. So that was the big news that broke shortly thereafter, I found out that the New York State Athletic Commission has suspended TJ dillashaw for a year retroactive to that January nineteenth date, and they've also fined him ten thousand dollars. They have not said what he has tested positive for and just moments ago. I received this statement from you Sada in light of Mr. dillashaw social media post this morning. We can't confirm that an in competition. Test conducted by you Saad on January eighteenth. Thousand nineteen. So just note. This is my note that was the day before the Henry pseudo fight in Brooklyn, which he lost in just thirty two seconds. The first round resulted this back to the statement resulted in an adverse analytical finding in. This instance, we are able to confirm the finding to Mr. Dilshad public statement. The presumption of innocence under the rules vital part of an effective anti-doping programme ended his only fair that Mr. dillashaw be allowed due process before any conclusions are drawn before I get to New York. Rick one last statement, this is from Henry Suharto to me spoke to him this morning actually woke him up with the news at around six o'clock. Arizona time I feel bad for him. Obviously, you have your exceptions out there. Some people have been wrongly accused in the past but people like Lance Armstrong Marion Jones, and I've looked up turn the past. They have to live with the regret and the dishonesty for the rest of their lives. I honestly feel bad for them. I want to reserve judgment. But also want to say I never wish to fight anyone who uses PD's again, there's no place for that. In may this is in baseball or basketball. This is another human being with four ounce. Gloves hitting another human being prayers to him in his family. So that's the story right now. Lots on pack. Very interesting stuff as of right this second TJ dillashaw is no longer you see bantamweight champion, and he is suspended for at least a year that courtesy of the New York State Athletic Commission, near creek your media thoughts. It's an interesting position for TJ to kind of be in considering that in January near the end of January. He was potentially competing to hold two. You have see belts both the bantamweight belt and the flyweight belt and now fast forward to today, and he's holding no belts also stemming from from the you know, that fight the effect of that fight. So it's quite a fall from grace in a short amount of time. Now, there's still a lot to unpack. Here. We have no idea about what substances could have caused this or have anything more. From TJ beyond the statement that he put out. So I think there's still a lot to to hear here. But it is a very steep fall from the top for TJ dillashaw on a very short amount of time. Yeah. It's it's a shocking fall from grace guy who was considering the top pound for pound best fighters in the world. Now has this hanging over his head. And again, you have to wait and see what the substance is a I've seen people throughout the diary dick excuse if you will because he had to cut all that amount of weight. We don't know we don't know if it was a PD an anabolic steroid a- director, no any of these things. But we do know is that he is out for a year. And we also know that he is no longer the champion. He is just the fifth fighter in UFC history to have his belt taken away from him because of a anti doping violation. What do you make near Rick of him coming out because you know, now, there's this new policy, right? We won't talk about anything while it's still going on in the past. They were coming out with things right f you know, right? After a. Drug test came out right after they found out that someone failed the drug test. They would come out. They would let the world know. And then the process would play out to the fighters were basically, you know, guilty before proven innocent and in in this new era that we're in there now waiting for the whole process. We have seen situations like the one with Sean O'Malley were a fighter comes out and tries to get ahead of it. And that's exactly what TJ they'll show done. But interesting to note that you wouldn't have commented on this wouldn't have broken the news if TJ didn't himself what you make the way he has handled this. Yep. I have a question for you in perhaps, you know, the answer perhaps, you don't would the New York State Athletic Commission, have put this out at a certain point. Is that is there a responsibility on their end to report this or or the operating under the same guidelines as you saw it up because that I think is the more interesting thing, you Sada wouldn't have necessarily been the wants to put this out, but his suspension this suspension that we're referring to about a year in the ten thousand dollar fine as well is coming from the New York state. Athletic commission. Not you Sada. That's great. That's great. I don't know. Whether New York would have been a putting this out. I'm actually not sure of the process there, as you know, let's let's talk specifically about you Saad in this case. I do think there's there's a bit of TJ dillashaw getting ahead of the curve, and and stepping out in front of this before becomes a bigger issue. Because undoubtedly if he was on the shelf for a year, there's no way that rumors wouldn't start to fly in and speculation. You know turns to questions so I don't know if this is something that they would have been able to mask for very long. Anyway, I think he was he was doing the right PR move by getting on front of it. And and owning up to it taking responsibility. And then making his statement that was then cooperated by you Sada. I think it's the right move. I think it's one that athletes more and more should be leaning toward it was affected for Sean O'Malley and kind of winning himself. Some favor in the court of public opinion. I do think it will soften the blow for TJ dillashaw as well. But the question for me remains whether New York was going to release this or is not allowed to release this whatever the stipulation they will follow the same rules as you sat us. So that is a very good point that you bring up I think the fact that he is couching this as I am voluntarily relinquishing the belt as opposed to being stripped think is interesting because I feel like that it's semantics if he's out for year the US's going to move on. And especially if he's out for that reason. Do you have seen gonna move on and strip him look at the lakes? I mean, just look at every other time that someone has failed the drug test. John Jones, Sean shirk, Josh Barnett, Tim, Sylvia. You get stripped if you fail a drug test. So I just feel like the president. Is you get strip and quite frankly that should be the president, regardless of what happened if there's a failure there you should be stripped. And so I think that the wording is insane. I suppose some people get mad at me on Twitter. Like, he he didn't get stripped religion. I think that's tomato tomato at this point the facts are he's no longer. The champion. So you can you could play that game all you want. And so because we don't know at as of this exact moment what he popped for and what you saw going to do once. They're process plays out. Let's talk about the state of the division. Because now it's completely influx. Could you have imagined imagine if TJ would have won that fight on January nineteenth? Now, you've had two belts that probably would have been fake aided. That would have been a disaster. Right. They've really dodged a bullet in hindsight potentially. But it also would have been a quick end to the flyweight division. I think that's when all signs point to let's just close up shop here. Let's say TJ was holding both those belts. I think that that ends the fly with division officially unequivocally. There will be really no reason to kind of keep it open. Henry wasn't the champion. I feel like at this point this division is still held open. Because Henry is the champion of it. Otherwise, it would have been folded already. So it would have been a disaster. No, certainly belts having vaca-. Two belts. Not not a very good luck. That would be historic of the unprecedented. That said I do think they the fellow Banta weights are not mad about this news that now the Henry pseudo and TJ dillashaw conversation is on the back burner. And it seems like the division is going to be moving forward at bantamweight. Now, whether Henry now goes down to flyweight and competes with the likes of Joseph Bellavia as or continues his his quest at bantamweight for a now, vacant title is going to be interesting appeal here, but certainly I think this opens up options of the bantamweight division. How we got here is probably not the ideal path to that. But I do think that the bantamweight division is celebrating today in that regard. Okay. So that's interesting because I feel like there's two ways that they can go to your point. Henry cannot just go back down to one twenty five defend the title against Joseph benefit as a fly weight fight. That's pretty important happening this weekend in Nashville as well. And then thirty five compla- out, perhaps a Marl mariah's versus pitch. Komo news fight perhaps a more more is for sus algebra, sterling to fight. I actually think near creek. I actually think that this expedites the death of the flyweights, and I'll tell you why one was clamoring for Henry sued over TJ, they'll Shaw to one thirty five. I didn't think that there was any point in doing that fight. I feel like we've talked about this ad nauseam. But now you have vacant title. So so many interesting byproducts all this yesterday. Marlin rice was the odd man out right because they were going in the direction of TJ vers Henry too. And Marlin who deserves the title shot couldn't find a dance partner to fight for the belts. He was the man out. Now, all of a sudden he goes from being the odd man out to actually being the guy who deserves more than anyone to be in that vacant title fight because he was the number one contender. So he's in that vacant title fight in my little fantasy world. He's now there he standing there. He's going to get that vacant title shot question is who does he fight? And I think that he will end up fighting Henry pseudo I feel like they will now say look Henry beat TJ beat him thirty two seconds. He deserves a chance. Now make history it's a fresh fight. It's not a fight that people are saying like it shouldn't happen. I'm not clamoring for it. It's it's it's a silly media rematch is the fresh fight who's going to argue with the fact that the guy who just beat the champion coming down doesn't serve a title fight at one thirty five. I feel like they're not gonna go in that direction as opposed to may be listening to the public reading the tea leaves and saying maybe in the end, we keep Henry at one twenty five and when we separate TJ and Henry for quite some time. Now that TJ's gone. I think this actually opens the door to people actually being okay with the fact that Henry will fight for the belt, and they'll do Henry versus Marlin for the one thirty five title and quickly and even quicker than perhaps was initially planned. Get rid of the one twenty five pound division, the question than from in my mind, and I agree with you. I'm not saying that this is what I want happen. I won't be very clear about that. What I think is going to happen. I agree with you. And and I think that will happen as well. The question then becomes what happens to? Henry's belt. Let's say hundred goes up and loses that fight. Yes. He retained that belt. Does he have to vacate about heading into the fight this division is done? Does. He matter yet it. It's a moot point. I it's weird because it feels like the divisions already done, right? Like, it feels like he's kind of holding that belt just to hold that bells. Make sense for me trading this weekend. What is the point of that? You know, I feel like the division was doomed. Whether he fought TJ are not now potentially it could be Marla mariah's. But but that belt essentially is going to be retired at some point. But I agree with you. I think that's what will happen. My preference would be Henry stay in that division, and defend that belt. But it doesn't seem like that division has a long-term future. So I have no problem with at that point the champion of that lower weight class that is that is going to eventually go away stepping into a hundred thirty five pound title fight against the opponent of an opponent. Or if it had worked out better. It would have been an opponent he defeated at a lower class. I have no issue with with Henry getting that opportunity. Okay. Do you like another outlet you like I just texted me? Yes. He also he also tweeted you. Yeah. Like you like that? He's he's upset. I think I'll definitely made a statement and beating Jimmie Rivera. I would have no problem with that. I would have no problem with Pedro Munoz. Getting that shot, quite frankly, I wouldn't have much of a problem with with huffily on how getting a rematch with with Marla more. Is there the he you know, the streak that he was on was only deterred because of timing. And there wasn't an opportunity for him to get a shot at that title while other things are playing out now, certainly Marlin had a dominant performance, but I could see that one being run back there one and one now so I think there's options there, maybe that's not the next one up. But I wouldn't have a problem with any of the any of the bantamweights getting that opportunity. I do think Henry is going to be the one to get it though because of the champion versus champion appeal, man. So crazy, I mean like we were on the cusp of TJ. Making this insane history where he's actually going down to try to get that belt that that hasn't been done. And now, look where he's at do you think that the public will be a little kinder towards him because he is voluntarily giving up this information. I think it really depends on the substance. Yeah. And until that is known or if that is known at this point. I'm not sure how that would be known unless it is disclosed by one of the parties. I think that will determine how people feel about it. If it's direct. That's one thing if it's a performance enhancer. That's another thing if it's recreational drug that's another thing it remains to be seen. But I think while it is it is unknown. It doesn't really matter. He he's not going to be done any favours people are going to soon the worse than speculate that way, so it really will hinge upon what the substance is. If we ever do find out what the substances it confirms to things for me, it confirms that the the idea of having TJ go down to twenty five was never good one. Specially it's a direct. But you know, he didn't have these issues in the past. And all of a sudden, he does this extreme way cut to get down to one twenty five for fight that I I mean, look the fight paid off. It's certainly paid off for this company is PM plus profited off of it. Everything was great on that night. It was fun. It was a nice build up. But I never thought that it was a fight that had to happen. It also confirms to me that Henry pseudo is a g if in fact. TJ was on a PD of some kind. He beat him in thirty two seconds. You know what I'm saying? Like all of a sudden again going back to my previous point. I think Henry comes out smelling like roses and all of this. He's got more options. Like, I don't think TJ being out of the picture limits. His options actually think increases options, I think people are I rolling at the idea of him fighting TJ after talking about the whole like safe. The though the flyweights things you're gonna rematch. But now the tease out and they need someone in there. I think he's benefiting from the fact that patriot Munos isn't a big draw right now. And I don't know a lot of people are clamoring for the idea of algebra sterling versus Marlin for the belt because of how definitive yet win for Marlin rice was over Jemaine surly. I agree with you completely. I think that Henry has an opportunity here to be like, I I was the real champion of this division from the start. Let me show you let me prove it and step into that position. So that's why I agree with you that I think this is how it will play out. But certain. Henry pseudo is is a big winner. Even though it feels like he might have been a big loser. Because he lost his fight with J dillashaw. I do think he he will win over fans that didn't necessarily want to see this fight before. I think he will have an opportunity sell them on the idea that he was the one thirty five pound champion the moment. He took out J dillashaw in Brooklyn. And now convince them that is the case in a fight for the belt. This is a statement from Henry who does coach head coach kept in Eric of our seen who kind of confirms that the plan was to have Henry up to one thirty five. He told me this sucks. Henry wanted that rivalry slash money fight and the one thirty five pound belt, and to shut up the critics once and for all it made sense. I hope it was a mistake or contamination for his sake because that's a hell of a drop from glory from chasing the pound for pound status with two belts to losing it all he has a family to support. And I wish that no one. I wish that on. No one excuse me can only way to see what you side as final determination. Is this throws a wrench in our plans? It's early and having spoken to Henrietta. I spoke to before Henry woke up. However, if I know Henry he still wants that belt because he's chasing leg see or just benefit as Mike. It served up a cold plate of as tech warrior revenge. Which is a great line, whoever it is be prepared for even better version of Henry than his last outing. So I if you okay, so that's what we think's gonna happen. But if you were in charge what you do keep Henry at one twenty five or do you still like the idea of him going up to thirty five from whose perspective, I'm UC in? Dana white. I'm Dana yet. That's the fight to make because I. The fight is at one thirty five. Oh belt because I don't see a long term future for one twenty five now on the outside as Eric. I would like to see just benefit as versus Henry pseudo. That is the fight. I would like to see, but not if there's no stakes if it's just a fight to have a fight. And there is no one twenty five pound division after that. It doesn't really do anything for me if the one twenty five pound division to stay stay around. And certainly that's the fight. I want to see. But if I'm the you have C capitalize on Henry hoodoo beating TJ dillashaw. Now, you know in a sense disgraced fighter TJ dillashaw and coming to save the one thirty five pound division the same way. He was talking about saving flyweights. He can now spend that story to be saving the bantamweight division. It's incredible. That is that is funny. I didn't think of that. That's a real. Yes, you're champion has let you down. I'm here. It's it's great. I use that drivers right now. It's fantastic for him. Marla was saying remember on the show right after the fact that he was in barris that the champion went down. Wow. Think about like it's crazy like if you played the sliding doors game will could have been for TJ dillashaw. Now, what has happened? And again, the process has played out. But the process has played out in New York because New York has come out and said that they are suspending him for year and finding him ten thousand dollars again, that's retroactive to January nineteenth. So he will not be able to fight until January nineteenth two thousand twenty. That's as far as New York is concerned, but you saw to come out and give them a two year suspension. And that process has yet to play up your Rick. Thank you very much for the time. I friend big big week here for the company taking over the pay per view game. We are we were taking over the pay per view game. As we as an ESPN U. And I although that would be fun as well. But yeah, two two more years on the deal and paper views in how city span it's a big time for that relationship. Well, you know, it's funny because I saw the press release, and I didn't see any mention of a chalian. I I kind of feel like, you know, when Shalin I started on ESPN. Plus, everyone was like, we'll be employed. Let's plus and now godfather, I mean, we sort of you know, we built this thing. Yeah. It's on two hands. It also strikes me on how quickly you've moved on from our relationship that now it's just you in jail and well on the back burner you weren't on ESPN. Plus, we're doing other things that we were building other platforms not the pin, plus one, you know, what I mean? It still hurts my feelings. This is sort of like the Oscars when they play the music. Yeah. I gotta going you out thanking your creek. Let me quickly tell you better. Good friends over at nets week every company battles challenges as they grow updating manual processes, replacing inefficient systems getting a handle on cash flow as you scale, you'll need software that can handle that growth next. Let me tell you about our good friends over and we. Thereby oracle there the business management software that handles every aspect of your business an easy to use cloud platform. With net. 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Nets dot com slash I wanna against that's net sweet dot com slash Awani support them because they support us. And by the way, that's H E L. They'll be a an is at the top the show. I told you that we are rejigging things here on the podcasts less of around table. Mo. More voices, more perspective different perspectives. And with that in mind. How exciting this. Let's travel all the way to Atta to Ireland and say Hello to my old friend PC Carol who's joining us. The host of the number one rated M may podcast in Europe, the euro bash on EMI fighting dot com. The leading voice of all things mixed martial arts coming out of your and soon to be the world. The one only pizza Carol. What's the crappy? Well that really noise thank something about year afterwards. But I'm just not good enough to do that kind of thing. So I'm just gonna take homely move on. Okay. That's fine. You I nothing less. PC's? It's been a very busy day. I know you're you're awake early this morning. When the TJ Dilshad news came out, we spoke in your quick about it. But I'd love to get your perspective very early on. And in particular, if you were in charge of the what you do the one thirty five pound title, you've vacant title right now who are you booking for that? Next title fight. Notice that sounds crazy. But always looking more towards that the Florida way Pige raising Henry who don't care for for one twenty four and then get a little tournament going to determine his next intent or galactic grew disagreed me. As all ready dot comments from half of Brazil about how this affects them. But it's it's it's crazy. I really I was shocked by you know, go you put so much emphasis on strengthening conditioning with some Vida head of that drop down to Florida ways. It really seems to be a real misadventure of dillashaw at the moment to be honest. Yeah, it is. So the situation is playing out. I think this expedites the end of the flyweights I think they're going to do Marlin versus Henry at one thirty five, but that remains to be seen. I didn't bring you on the show though, PT to talk about that. I wanted to start off asking you about what happened last weekend in London, and in particular, the rise and fall of one Darren till not that long ago seemed like Dan till was on a rocket ship to start him that he was destined to be champion. Now, he has lost tune row. And he just got knocked out by Hori Mazda on the second round of the fight that happened in London. You're there you're in the front row, you know, Darin till if you're down until and if your people who are around our until forgiving, Dr until advice what you do with him now. Take a long long time off and live the way he wants to live like I mean, he was talking to we used to play long lot of four Gore's borders Roy's after every single and forty and for this. He didn't do that. Are you reading is physical chemistry change the head of this? When like when we saw the media that he looked so trim and credit to own dollar nutritionist been doing a great job helping them hit that welterweight them. Like, do you feel like it was definitely a case of middleweight was next for the loss of Woodley. So I think that's definitely something. He should be looking like, obviously go he still packs acute power. It's no mean feat drop or hayme is without would you did that very open exchange minus the flying kick some other agents? But yeah, I think I think he should be looking at middle able for the moment for knockout like best. You've gotta take some time off about that was a vicious one. I mean went sat down so join the summer kinda speaking of the accident guns. And maybe I hadn't lived tax considering the cat was and then buying Horry Mazda. Nelson down the arena goes Soderlund or the ruined back into their air. Inter try and get an immediate room, maybe two three minute walk when I got an immediate or. The security guard telling me Darryn Hill was still called out there that is a very KO for going to cry. Now is team help on at teammates have never seen anything like that in terms of damage to tell before. So he really does need the gatherings talked about about next meal. It shouldn't be eating those with haste needs to think about a young the home like your Paul pensions. There was young family. And then maybe six months fine. Look at what's next in hindsight. You feel he was rushed to quickly. Yes. You know, when when you look at his projector like that's only loss I felt like the USC really wanted a new Connor in Europe ago to really put the brand behind on. You know, hasn't gone their way. I mean, if you're looking at that macho when he was much more. Hey, mas. But you're thinking, well, this is writing the darn tales wheel that you supported way moving up to welterweight his last few with Hore. Hey, go you likes to strike that's really on darn tales and in his wheel. Anyway. So I if you can't win a fight like that. I think it's time to have a local like he certainly he sent me cons consider himself a top contender welterweight after such a loss. Yeah. I think you should go to one eighty five. In fact, I thought he should have gone up after the time Woodley fight. They're not gonna give him a title shot anytime soon. This is an opportunity to test yourself out at one eighty five and see how it is. And look we just saw news come out earlier this morning. Courtesy of my colleague peon bread Okamoto reporting that Luke raw cold versus John. Awful wits is going to happen in July at two five. So Luke is moving up and these way cuts. He's extremely cuts aren't helping the fighters. You are actually doing yourself a disservice. And I feel like he needs to look Lucas doing and saying, you know, what it's something is going wrong here. I'm not at my best. I don't look, right. When I'm stepping on the scale seventy it's time to move up. Yeah. Absolutely on just on that with them. Yeah. I was gonna ask you about that. Because that's a fellow Eurofighter while you're not a Eurofighter, but what's a fellow European. I guess I could say fell European thought will do we like to climb everywhere even trying to claim Johnny Walker at the moment. Too much put him the the recalled. I mean yonder gory. That's really putting a lot of work. He was a he was a cast chomping when the great promotions from Europe. And and you know, we have far far wins in the truck before he Iago Sam talking Frank. You got knocked out there before looking for the ones against the called. I obviously know that you are nearly just giving Lucan opportunity here. Like how how would you do in this situation rather than them into a toy before he'd say or someone ROY at the top division on the brink of toilet? So I think it's a huge opportunity for again as well. Luke new failing south team feels new weight loss big opportunity for him as well. And to be honest with you like like, I see everybody in the comments on the post saying, this is that this is a walk in the packet isn't the into pack, and it's a serious series for for Lou GRA call. The course he will be heavily. He'd be a heavy favorite. No mean fee to put you on the way. And in my opinion, actually the perfect fight for him today. Byu to five initially. They wanted Luke Rockall versus Corey Anderson Anderson's on a streak. I agree with him that he deserves a big time fight. I disagree with him in the sense that he said, you know, like what is the win over Luke rock hold get me. And I think that Luke rock hold still holds some weight. His name still has value. He's a former champion one eighty five. I think if you beat them, it means a lot more to the general public than even a win over the likes of Dominic risk. Even though Raya says undefeated at light heavyweight in the he's still not as big of a name as as the GRA cold. So I like the fight regardless for Rachael because the nice, you know, dipping of his toe in the water so to speak to five gives them an opportunity to fight one of the top guys. And quite frankly, I think if Luke wins fight he might be one maybe no fights away from fighting for the belt. I think they want him to fight John Jones in the not too distant future. And so I think this is the beginning of that process. I want to ask you about the combing event and later on in the show, we're gonna talk to Laura SANCO who was interviewing for him ause Vidal when the. Altercation began with the on Edward's you spoke to Leon on Monday. I spoke to Lee on Monday. It's very clear that he wants to fight for him as adult next. And it's also very clear that they must doesn't want that fight. Don't you agree? Look they have respective fights. They both win and then there's an altercation backstage. Well, punches him in the face multiple times. You have to make that fight much. Like the Connor situation. There's an altercation outside of the cage. Now you now you've actually forced the US's hen. I don't agree with the fight shouldn't happen. I think the fight has to happen because of the alter -cation, what do you think? Absolutely agree with you. And I mean, you know, you can see the video I think Leon kinda set to you on me or you don't think he was expecting anything like that to happen and horrify walked up to him with his hands behind his back. And you know, you start throwing punches. It's just not something you expect to happen. After two competed on the biggest stage of the sports. And if you feel like you need to take point now, I mean, you kind of do that to someone then deny them up before you wanna level playing field. I mean, frankly, I think it's ridiculous than out of that. Because and Leon how hands which I don't think he did until them as troops imposes like I don't think he had his hands. And I don't know why that would prompt an exchange like that anyway, and to to say that that Jorges justified insert the troll points there. I think that's absolutely ridiculous. And when when I like this happens in Europe, if this is this was kinda McGregor who did that someone would be talking about buying the sport. It would be all over the trash headlines in Orland all we need the bond this, what's. With these animals. This is the circus. So I mean, I don't think it's really think that people kinda get a lot of criticism when this happens on feely. There hasn't been enough criticism for this incident because we are into where you guys are in this sport. We don't have big brands ESPN coming in biking things. I mean this scares the blue chip sponsors away from him. And and believe me, you know, first time, which these things affecting that, you know. Absolutely. So let me ask you about kinda McGregor because you always have your ear to the pulse about what's going on back home in Ireland and the way people are reacting to him taking a quick step back here after the news of his arrest in Miami. Because of that altercation with the fan who tried to take a photo of him or video of him. What was the reaction in Ireland, and what's the reaction now ten or so days later? It's tell you what it's just compassionate fatigue at this stage. Like, I mean, it's gone after scandal. If not the goalie that we held up as we told you m head of the airport we were held holding up like a a mythological figure. We were saying this is the guy we want everyone to look and say this is what ours people are young successful at spoke. And he's certainly spoken still there for them. It just doesn't have the positive headlines account about the negative ones at the moment. And I guess the the strangest thing about it is nobody like nobody's even shocked anymore. When this thing happens, you know, and I don't know if the newest challenge picked up on this over in in America, he actually matched in this evens parade beside our prime minister teasha, and as we call it over here the overrun or on the over at the the prime minister teashop of Orland was I've how we felt about Connor being over the top of the of the match with him. And he said he kinda McGregor does represent Orlan. That's incredible. If. Have the pulled felt Conor McGregor only, you know, three years ago, maybe even the year ago? I it's incredible. And and I think at this stage people are not believing that he can come back and undo what he did. And listen, that's where it kinda use the Troy us little people doubting him and used to feed off enough or read on feel like the goal is in the same place as he was when he was on that sense when it fell nearly magical not just to to me, it US media members railways was absolutely unbelievable should never. We should never overlook. What I did on that initially USC probably be never doing again. Don't you? Anyone will copped avai funds for a long long time. The white kinda McGregor has and continues to but right now or you don't really believe that this is golden comeback in on winner for it. You know, I again, someone at the very top of the divisional really doubt that. Yeah. And I'm wondering is a possible that this can be rectified. The relationship with the people or do you think the damage is done forever? You only have to look at toys and fury. Togo woods to see. How see how quickly people can turn things around in sports. Right. And you know, these guys, you know, toys fury's ago, you made homophobic slurs you tested positive for Aban Simpson's. And then Ecomac because if you warm points conic with the oil, and they'll he's the cops of the people's hearts again. It's a gory who everybody's interested in Nagoya who seen a mental health advocate. You can always turn these things around those kinda McGregor want to turn this around. How how committed is he to turning this around because as we know what toys and fury that that was that was a hell of a mountain the coin to get back to where he is today as great point. That's an absolute great point. And so we wonder what is next recon? I don't suspect that what happened in Miami will preclude him to return whenever he wants to return. But we thought initially that it was going to be cavalier. Only next. It's not going to be covered. Surani couple shoney's fighting ally went on may fourth and you know, Connor. Better than most in this game. And I took a lot of heat after ceremonies win over Alex Fernandez, and I'm sorry for continuing to bring this up. But I said that aronie was not playing his cards. Right. That Conor McGregor? Does not get entice. He doesn't get excited. When someone says, please give me the honor of fighting you. I'll do anything to be your dance partner. I'm just living in your world. Let's do this social media post about Budweiser proper whiskey. I thought he was playing his his hand incorrectly. And look what happens he goes from potential Conor McGregor fight because your call right after his win over Alex Hernandez Connor tweeted about it and said, congratulations. You got the flight. And then I think ever since the post fight interview ever since all the social media post Connor hasn't said a word about him. Because I think he just didn't get up for it Connor gets up for Nate D as saying, you, you've taken everything I've worked for M F, you that blah, blah, blah. He doesn't get excited about someone who's essentially walking to him and saying, please give me the honor of fighting you. And I think that cowboy didn't play his hand correctly and Calgon Madam for saints. I was trying to give him advice on how to play it. Correct. And he wouldn't listen he took it as a personal fence. Now. He's fighting Quinta. Great fight for both. I'm happy for Al getting a big fight like this. I'm happy for the good people of oughta getting a main event like this. But this is in the fight cowboy wanted very clear first time in his career that he actually went out and campaigned for a flight, and it wasn't ally. Quinta. It was kinda McGregor in hindsight. You agree that he played his hand incorrectly. That Connor just could not get excited about a fight against the guy who's essentially begging him to fight. Think thrown in a weird way. Really like, we agree with you. I didn't like the way you call them at all it didn't do anything for me. I don't think it did a lot of for the fines already jumping up different voice. And like Connor Connor is the you know, he does like to be called out. Respectfully to certain extent, I think, but then again, you know, that those results and pay per view, boys. Like, you know, for fact that you know, kind of still talking there could even I'm gonna made AVI still talking about Nate thea- like these guys that heath. There's a reason why he's gone back to that. You're really on its because we know that drama sales the Muslim member drown between ninety as uncon-. It doesn't Muslim the drama between Conor McGregor and could even made up as far as you know, as far as what I'm hearing those. He's looking at right now that might seem incredible the people who are going Jesus he got him. He got kind of whitewashed against Khabib, and you know, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with them to be honest. The flip side of a loss to could be over. Lost to cowboy I mean that that going to put you on on better terrain. I think if you lose the cowboy people questioning Zealand's for so I think the way it's going to play as of right this second on Wednesday, March twenty two thousand nineteen I think that could be is going to return in September. In W gets the winner of max hallway versus dust Emporia. I think that Connor is going to fight nifty. As for a third time later this year. Now that fight is no, please. I want to say this again, don't go out. And write that this fight is a done deal. It's going to happen. But it's feels like with Sironi out of the picture with I out of the picture with Habib returning September. And I don't think that they are going to go to that immediate rematch right away with hallway fighting for the interim title with Ferguson currently sideline. I feel like this opens the door and the path to the DS fight, and you could tell social media slowly. But surely things are picking up Connor saying, you know, I I don't care about the way pick whatever you want right after ADS tweet about one eighty five I feel like all. Stars like six months ago. The stars weren't the line year ago, weren't align. I feel like not as has from a PR perspective from a momentum perspective has not done a good job of staying in the news remaining relevant now when he tweets he doesn't get the same traction. Remember how Hoti was after their flight at two to. I mean, he was just blazing hot. But now, I just feel like for both of them there. What the doctor ordered like it would get both of them back on track back in the spotlight. Everyone knows about the feud. Everyone knows about the history. Everyone knows about their backstory ESPN knows about it all the social media outlets know about at all the mainstream. Everyone knows about it. Everyone will get behind it. I think it's the perfect medicine for both guys right now that idea versus McGregor three. Yeah. Completely agree with you. I think the fact ideas on the show as well or no like, I it seems more manageable to me like I don't see the sense of JV again after yet such a dominant win over Connor. So yeah, I think Nate's they're made for within Khanna's wheelhouse to say anything stand. He does and look streak on tale. Coined never hits the ground. If he wants, I think stuff definitely would make an awful lot of Connor makes a lot of ideas. And that's that's not forget that a long time ago now in Vegas of their last place. Like DEA said, the only he was gonna have this amount of or for what we know. So I wouldn't be surprised at all. And I if that happened well done I was surprised to see him fillet that. Yes, I did like that. That was well done. Your part was the price to see reply to to max hallway finally after all this time. Max holloway. That's guy. I'm from Orleans as we know yet. And no he's at Mike's really won the orders people over, and I think that probably annoyed kinda, you know, like, it was great crack he was having the crack say haven't flown with all the orders people. And he he came across the real sweet heck, he didn't really say crazy. They'll Connor of. He was a very younger knows what he was tweeting. He was at crow pack place that you know, it was very very media spiritual place. There is people in a massive and Representative of the culture, and of course, appropriate where we play our national sports and getting football and hurling James since distillery, which is in direct and Royal really proper twin Trump with proper twelve fifty so. Yeah for and I think these joins that happened all those years ago, and Boston's really wet my appetite. Anyway, I don't think that's would. Definitely if I ever all the way, you if if it was booked so in that sense. I think maybe as probably the best option for the moment. One less thing for you. Go. I am fascinated with what they will do with Ben aspirin now because I feel like Ben aspirin really lost out this past weekend. I thought he obviously has the feud with men. Yeah. Not going to get these men fight Kobe's gonna get it. He had the feud with Coby Coby getting those men fight. He had the thing with till doesn't really make sense now after the knock on we both agree that till should move up to a hundred and eighty five pounds has the thing with MAs rebel. But we both agree that Muslims should fight on Edwards. I think RDA should fight Santiago puns of they've been going back and forth. I have no idea what to do with Ben aspirin at this point. Nick de as guy told me that they're interested in that fight. He has been asking. I don't think is a great fight for Nick DS because he hasn't historically done well against wrestlers. I mean, the only that really makes sense been aspirin truly is Woodley and it's not going to happen because their friends their teammates there. Training partners. All that more. I have no idea what they're gonna do. And I don't wanna see the immediate rematch against rob. You do you have any good ideas? You see the funny thing ban is he actually want. Everybody over 'em. Nothing incredibly hard thing to do when you walk into a crowd full of whatever it wasn't at the rain there, and they're just doing. I mean, he minds to win them over like, you know, people can say goes, just like Trump, or whatever he definitely has something that or he's able to think on his feet. He's very clever person. I really felt he was in the joy of and see for my dollar tail for until the course the the tree piece in out of phase. Changes everything, you know, because that's the only thing we're talking about. Now. That's the only thing finds talking about if they don't even seem interested in hell this altercation happened. It's just three pieces of chicken emoji little offering. So yeah, I think he is obscured at the moment, I don't know. I never really thought about inventory or because of obviously the relationship, and we'll never happen. Anyway, it will never happen. Oh, of course. Yeah. They seem great friends I actually load that but that made it they get put over toy. And to a lot of people where became across really really as a phone gore. When he hanging out with his friends for them like like tailed off the table. Now goes after that KO as well. So yeah, I don't know maybe the lottery much the way to go. But I can see what doesn't wanna do that, you know. And I can fully understand way. He doesn't wanna do that way to hell. Would you want to do that again with them? Yeah. It's definitely an interesting situation that like he had a all the aces was leaving. Then they got taken away and in four points backstage. During a post interview, which is pretty incredible. Yeah. And especially for a guy who's done such a great job of planting so many different seeds. Right. I mean, he just great in. He's bringing a radio was blown away when you know. And the way he came over the watch that and human a before the way, and like the as defined the time for the end of it like they're saying what he says he's making them chance that's hard to do. Well, it wasn't. I wouldn't want to do it. Anyway, he seemed to make it so easy again, they're planting all kinds of seeds, and he was saying before you get a media scroll as just progress in in even saying, you know. If you got definitely the case, but he is going to be on Edwards not gonna ban aspirin. He doesn't deserve a toil shall cooling off like this long of a layoff. And then winning one fourth. I don't think that's the way. They don't think that's an obvious choice ram. Oh, great stuff. My man. Thank you very much for this work and people get the bash podcast. And. So you can get it on soundcloud at the moment, I believe in their pups on Stitcher, and we're working on everything else. You know, yourself these things like him and boy that yeah. Thanks for the fluke minds. Great talking to you, you know, little bit. I miss you. I miss you PT. But. I just wanna get that on record right from the passport office. We've got it's been five years since I've been back. I think I'm do. But I appreciate you saying that thank you very much yet, the comb back home soon. All right. I'll do that PC Carol everyone. Thank you very much for his insight predate him stopping by. Definitely check out. If you are interested in the euro scene, which is doing great right now, which is on fire with Bill toward doing all the things that they're doing with the U of C event in London coming back to Stockholm as well, there's a lot to be excited about if you're euro MA fan. Okay. So earlier in the show we talked a little bit about the Horry Mazda Vidal versus Liane Edwards altercation. And where they go from here with both men. There was one reporter in particular who had a front row seat to the entire thing. She's doing a phenomenal job as a UFC on ESPN. Correspondent you see at the plus events on the linear events also reporter for invective. See she's a former fighter. So she has that distinction as well in that knowledge, which. I think greatly in her current role as a backstage reporter slash interviewer. She is the great Laura SANCO who's joining us right now on the phone, Laura. How're you? Alum Laker, my friend. How's it going? Oh, dropping a little Arabic as well. So the last five minutes practicing that you know, that right? And by the way, how do you know, our BIC again member by my husband's Lebanese? Oh my gosh. Yes. That's right member. Yes. Yes. Well, you have great taste in men than clearly I I agree. I agree. We'll great to have you on. And thank you for the little Arabic as well. I appreciate very much my mom in particular will create who's from Beirut. So you're doing a great job, Lauren. It's great to have you on the show, and there's lots of talk to you about. But first we have to talk to you about what happened on Saturday because you are right there. You were talking to you had the the best seat in the house. He interrupts your interview with him or maybe we should say Leon Edwards interrupted it. He walks away. We even heard you say an expletive on camera. You couldn't contain yourself there, which is totally understandable. Could you tell us give us the whole blow by blow from your perspective? What happened there backstage after the fight? First of all I will. I will. Confirm nor deny that that was me. But yeah, crazy crazy turn of events. So as you're familiar with the backstage set up there sort of like this little press row. But I've noticed unlike the FOX as the when they do these piano vents the blocking SPN is a little bit more free flowing. They're not quite as picky. So the it and this night in particular was a little odd because the set had no depth to it. So like the backdrop that you see behind me was literally five feet from the I'll there was no with Spock set love, we're kind of tucked back in a note, and we're maybe twenty thirty forty sometimes more feet away from where people are walking past. But in this instance, we were literally right there to where when the cameramen was shooting me he was almost kind of sticking out into the walkway just to kind of perspective on like how close the quarters were when this happened. So I'm talking. Two or hey, I my first question. He's responding. And then as I start phrasing. My second question, I can kind of see his eyes a look over my left shoulder. And I hear Liane Edwards say something about July. And okay, I'm trying to focus on what's happening in front of me. But I can tell from more Hayes is that he's starting to lose absurd to lose them a little bit. But you know, everything kind of unfolded so quickly obviously wasn't a lot to do about it. But so he says ally for hey, kinda just kinda chuckles. And like, yeah, we'll see maybe maybe maybe not I think was was his comment, and then at that point Leon, and by the way land was with the whole, I don't know I say, maybe ten people some of them were UFC staff, but some of them were his corners and his people's well, he's maybe fifteen feet away at this point. But there's a there's a big pillar. Her and kind of a barrier. And that's what you see the video that hey kinda had to walk across. So they were sort of separated by this pillar in this barrier for minute. But Edwards said something else, which I don't know what he's at that point. And that was when we're hey said say that's my face and kinda started to stroll over and then, you know, we we we also happen. The the rest of the time is crazy crazy. But I didn't move them from my silly me. I really thought man maybe I can make and get back. You're maybe. 'cause it was live. It was actually my next question actually live. Yes, brilliant. So yeah, they had you know, the post the post show is going on up stairs. And because of I think they're okay now, definitely from bist ping, sect perspective there. Okay. But they were a little bit concerned with sending Jorges up to the set because it was Karen and Michael onset. So they thought let's just we're just gonna do his big post fight interview here, and we'll just do it live. So it's you know, it's got the big field, and we can really capture the moment. So that's kind of how that all went down. And then as you see the camera follows and what unfolded unfolded, but security, I mean security was stepped in super quickly. It's the stuff, you know, the stuff did a good job. It was more. The factor of the way things were let out laid out. I think that kind of allow that to unfold as quickly as it did. Well, that's great. Perspective. And so, and of course, we know about this referred to visting MAs with all have longstanding beef with each other. So I think it was the right call and not to bring Muslim up. Although I don't think he would have done anything. I don't think this would have. But I understand what you wanted to have him backstage with you. And if they didn't we wouldn't have gone that moment that we saw the camera. Follow MAs Vidal towards Edwards. We saw the punches from your perspective once that all enfolds because the the camera essentially, they cut back to to the desk. What happens there is it? Total chaos or was it diffused rather? Quickly. Even the middle. Definitely was not total chaos. I mean, it's not like there were no mish is beyond. You know, what was happening? But there were definitely some corners that we're getting pretty worked up on Edwards part. I don't know their names. And I don't know it's specific I was trying to get a good luck. But you know, it got pretty thick and that security got pretty sick pretty quickly. So I couldn't really get a. Good a good view. And then. I don't know it it did last it didn't last all that long. They got them separated. Like Leon corner was still pretty worked up. He was probably the person that was worked up the longest to be honest. And by the time, I made my way over there talk to PR people and stuff to kind of get an idea of what was happening at that point. They had taken Edwards down the hall to get some stitches on his cheek and they had taken whore. Hey backout and today Rena to just kind of keep them separate and figure out. Okay. How are we going to get them out of the building separately? And how are we gonna? 'cause they're the things to keep him is leeann had a lot of fans friends people quite the crew down from Birmingham. So they didn't want anything else to kind of ripple into the night or back at the hotels. So we've finally found a situation that has now. Gone above the Tanya, editor the infamous tiny Evan moment where she kissed you. The middle the octagon after winning Victor have we now found that next moment. I think so although really it's my hand is really this jar. I don't know that I'm in the I'm not in there too much. But yeah, it was definitely as far as my perspective is living through it. Yes. I I would say that this this one. That's definitely takes the cake for sure, and I talked actually I talked war. Hey, just the other day, and he was super nice and offered to finish the interview with me back from his trip. So we're gonna we're gonna do that. Yeah. I know I want you to I thought. So I want you to pick up right where you left off per telling the whole thing didn't happen just asking questions. So I was asking the question. Let's talk about that opening sequence because I was dying to know. Obviously was played on going out there and nut shot him. I was you know, I it looks if I remember, right? It looks like he's gonna catch inside like and just why he wanted to do that with the thought wasn't not if you're just gonna throw till off of his rhythm, you know, just shake things up right away. Kind of what his thinking was with that. And then I wanted to talk a little bit about obviously him getting rock. How rock was he was surprised by that? And 'cause he seems I mean he seemed very rocked. But he also seemed to get his composure really quickly. So I don't know that it really didn't seem to affect him too much moving forward. And then he was landing that left hand pretty frequently. But everybody knows you know, he likes to stick orthodox pretty much for the most part. So his Dino how much of that was happening as the fight was happening. Because one thing about where he is like he is he's so under his veteran ship is so underrated. And so sudden. Well, he's able to make adjustments not just through the course of fight. But through the course of around and really through the course of the combination he can figure out what's working what isn't an adjust to make himself more effective. So I was dying to know if that overhead left with something that just kind of came to him or or when he started to see that landing. So it's yeah. That's was the perfect segue to what I wanted to ask you about next. Clearly, I if if someone listening has no idea about your background. They listen to that answer and say, this person knows fighting this person has an experience, and you bring that perspective, you bring that experience that other reporters don't have you have fought in the past. Now, what was your record? Can I can I squish my amateur and pro or together, but it sounds more view. I was I was seven one overall. Okay. Yeah. I said the one profile, but it was a way to. That's that's incredible. Did you always want to eventually transition into this? Or did you fall into a tells how this happen? No, I had no idea I would ever end up doing this. And I've pinch myself all the time. I had to pinch myself extra hard. You know, when I find myself chatting up, and and going back and forth with like listing or who whatever whoever it is on the given date. It's crazy. So I I fought for Invicta how to win. And that was my plan was to see what I could do in Invicta because at the time there were not women in the UFC and to this day. They don't have my weight class. So it really wasn't the UFC was not the goal at the time. Because it wasn't you know, a possibility. So I wanted to see what I could do there. And then I got pregnant and that'll that'll shake things up a bit. And when you know, I admire the women who are capable of having a baby coming back and having a fight because it's absolutely. It's absolutely incredible. To me that they can do that. But I just it wasn't for me. You know, I had a hard time. I just I wanted to be all mom for awhile. And. And then it was kinda like, okay, there's really not a ton of money in. So why my why am I doing it? And then as starting to have those thoughts, Shannon reaches out to me and said, hey, you know, would you like to interview are Kuhnen for Invicta ESI six and I said, well, I've never interviewed anybody before. I've never even looked at a camera before she what I think you can do it. I think great just do it said. Okay. So I I interviewed Marlin tuna just like a one off she happened to be visiting. And then after that, she asked me to start doing the incase side interviews, and I we go eventually see. So I mean, and there you go. No, I no plans of doing this. Have you ever felt the need to go back or are you done as a fighter? I such a tough question. If you have had an atom weight division, I probably would have different feelings because I still train now. I don't try near the way. I would if I was fighting, but I'm in the gym regularly. And in the back of my head. I think I could pick it up and be competitive. But that being said, I'm you know, I'm thirty six and. I don't I don't know. I don't know. I part of me part of the fantasizes about some crazy. Like, you know, Dana comes to me like, hey, we're gonna do some crazy publicity stunt. We're gonna have you fight on contender. And that'd be hard to say no to but that's not gonna happen. So no, I think my feeling is are probably behind me and being on camera. Still makes me so nervous that it's enough of a journal in rush that kind of compensate for the fighting being they're asking is this your full time job. It is. I don't I mean fulltime in that it's kind of become enough facets where it feels like a fulltime job between Invicta. And now, I'm I don't know if you saw what I'm going to start doing commentary for Invictus well with their new Phoenix rising Serey grants. Yeah. Jimmy, Seth annihilated. And I'll be doing the play by play and he'll Jimmy. We'll be doing the color. So I'm super excited about that opportunity. And I'm grateful to Shannon for once again. Call me up and saying, hey, I want you to do this. And I remind her, hey, I've never done this, Shannon. She's fine. You'll be fine. Just figure it out. So I mean into my correctly your encyclopedia of eligible, I think they might be the first play by play female to ever. I mean ever is like statement. I mean, I can statement. But maybe maybe on a certain level. We can call five by certain level. Yeah. Yeah. Notable world done. Yeah. I kinda regret saying it now 'cause I most want to get through the first couple. And then like now St. guys, look, I'm doing it. It's fun. You could pay yourself on the back. That's okay. It's a nice feather in your cap, and that's great vote of confidence in him from Shannon. That's that's incredible. And you've come very far in a very short amount of time. And I think you're doing a great job. You're also a question. What level we talking about? Not not high level, not high level. I used to used to compete, and I still if I had more time I would be competing consistently. I do I do. It's what's called eventing, which is sort of a like the triathlon. I guess you could think of of force BAC writing where it's three events three separate events that are scored separately. But you place as an accumulation of those scores, if you know, if that makes sense, so like, you kind of have to be good a lot of things, I guess, it's you know, what it's like the mixed martial arts of respect. Right. And we think. Be mostly dimensional. I do I haven't in maybe a year or two because I've been so busy traveling with this. And I'm kind of an all or nothing person. I either wanna be really dedicated to something and and working hard and proving myself at or I just I can't even I don't like half assing stuff. I don't like that at all. You know? Yeah, I call you fancy. Oh, that's a great story. Actually, no one's ever asked me that. So really you have show with Megan Anderson of the infancy raiders offensive. Yes. And no one's asked. You all question. No me. I'm I'm usually s too weird. I interviewed on your first interview. Yes. Yes. No. It isn't as a yes. As a as a reporter hundred percent. I haven't been an interview in years and the ones I did before like for Invicta we played it off really Clinton years. You made it seem when I reached out to you were so busy you were going to squeeze me into your schedule. And all this stuff, you really played it off very nicely. Well, done welcome. You're welcome. Yeah. I I'm hopping on sportscenter right after now. Just kidding. Yeah. So when I I I think it was actually before my very first amateur fight. I happened to be driving. A little yellow Boxster Porsche Ag. The time, and that was my day-to-day car, and I had this friend of mine who is a guy that worked out at our Jimmy found out. I was gonna fight. They kind of always thought I was like the token girl, Jim because there was never any other girls back when I was training their work for years and years. I was just I was the one chick, and I don't think they really doesn't take seriously because I worked really hard. But I don't think they really thought I was gonna fight. And then when I said, it was going to he's just like you can't you're too. You're too fancy to fight. You can't fight your way too fancy. So then they started calling me fancying kind of. Oh, no, that's good. No people watch that show. It's on YouTube, and then we have podcast version available on a multitude of clock forms cast box Google play IT shutter, but if you want the full effect because there's a lot of a lot I feel like a lot of missed in the audio only version we're available, and you just check a all fancy breakdown, and we are taking things to the next level for the April thirteenth pay for UCAR. We're gonna bring you knew a new look a new a new backdrop other than just the white wall that we like to sit in front of. So it ready for that. What a to us. Yeah. which which other than in the Invicta show. You have see which event is you're next. I will be doing a had to pass on Russia because I had a schedule conflict, but I will be doing Rochester. I think if I knew inaccuracy event and then contender gets rolling, and that's going to be another crazy summer of that. So that's every week for me Rochester's great. Especially may look at you like I kinda like these small show. I'm not gonna lie. I love I know that they're not as cool not as procedure is the big pay per views. And trust me, I would love to do one of those one day. But I like the small towns 'cause the fighters end up kind of being forced to hang out at the hotel. And you just you get to see everybody. Rub rub elbows. Little bit more fun knows for sure there's like a smaller show field. That's yeah. Started. So and you're owning that. So I think that that's great. Now, you're getting so big that you're you're turning down trips to Saint Petersburg. So it's good to be same same to use, sir. By the way, who I have been watching it as a fan and then. A offense lash fighter and then the fan wannabe reporter for many many years. You are everywhere. And it's awesome. Thank you. I appreciate that. I will say this in in the interest of continuing to Pat each other on the back when I was looking for FOX. And before they let me go, I told many people there, and they know who they are that they need to look at you and give you an opportunity when you're just starting out with Invicta. So I feel like I have an eye for talent. And quite frankly, I'd like to take a little bit of credit for your success because I feel like I was telling. I think you should. I absolutely should have no problem giving you some credit, and I and I genuinely heart heartfully appreciate that that you did that noble is my pleasure. Keep up the great work continued success. You looking forward to your your work with Invicta. That's exciting stuff. The play by play stuff. Don't be nervous. Just do your thing. And and good job keeping your composure on Saturday in the midst of that that madness thanks for doing this on phase. You're welcome. You're welcome to there. She is Laura SANCO check out her show as in fancy. She's everywhere doing backstage reporting doing great work for the see. Oh, look at career playing the music. Wow. Just like that. I didn't even prompt. You improves well done Kyrie. So let me know people. Let me know let me know what you think of the new format. I thought it was fun to get different perspectives to focus on on one individual at a time. I think there might have been some crackling there in the lower interviews. So I apologize. For that. But you know, sort of a staple my shows technical difficulties. That's just the way it goes. Let me know what you think if you prefer the roundtable we could switch it up can do one week roundtable one week raking down like this. We could do a little roundtable little break. The world is our voice to we could do whatever we want. It's our show, but I like hearing from different people perspectives different porters from around the world. I thought that was a lot of fun. Thank you very much to near grit for something by thank you very much to Carol always great to catch up with him, and greats talk Laura cycle. I don't know if I've ever actually talked Laura SANCO before I think we may have texted before. We've actually ever had a committed. We did one time back in the day. Anyways, just doing great work and cool to get her perspective of the whole or him aunts doll the network situation. TJ Dilshad is no longer. The you see bantamweight champion. Wow. So much more to come as far as stories concern. Check out on the bad guy, which will be up on his plus later this evening back on Monday for the regular hell wanna show and then back on Wednesday for a brand new episode of the reporters for now, we say goodbye enjoy the fights this weekend. There are tons kissed. Ella Fe, Bella tore. You have see in Nashville joy a weakened as well. We'll talk to you next week.

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 10

Five Rounds with Brett Okamoto

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 10

"Yeah. City. Did his Wednesday March twenty thousand in nineteen and this is going to be an interesting. This is going to be different from the other episodes that we've done and the reason I stress that I'm in New York City is because being in New York City is the reason why this is going to be a different kind of show. Let me explain for the first nine or so episodes of the show. I was doing it. In Bristol, Connecticut recently. My Wednesdays have changed. And now, I'm doing the show from New York City from ESPN's south street seaport studios beautiful studios. Here there's all kinds of famous people walking routes, very stuff. With that in mind. The reason why it has changed things is that I'm no longer in Bristol next to the other panelists. So it has sort of forced me to take a look at the show and see if it is worth rejigging a few things. So on this particular episode. I'm actually going to switch things up. I'm going to have three different reporters on in three different segments. So it's going to be one on one one on one one on one. I think this will provide us an opportunity to have different voices different perspectives. And I'm really excited about today's lineup in around forty minutes or so we're going to be joined by Laura SANCO, who's a UFC on ESPN backstage reporter. She was actually the reporter who was talking to Darren till excuse me, a Mazda Dolly should say when Mozelle was interrupted by Liane Edwards and walked up till the Edwards, and they got into that altercation. The now infamous three piece and a soda altercation. If you will so we'll talk to her about that about horr- is as far as being a reporter or. Her former fighting career how she transitioned this. I'm excited to talk to Laura about all that and more at around. Why won't give you the time because I don't want to tell you. I'm used to doing it on Mondays in around. I should say twenty five or so minutes, we're going to be joined by PT, Carol who's my former colleague at a may fighting who's one of the very best journalists out of Europe one of the very best journalists in this game period. Talked to him about Darren till talk to him about conham Gregor talked to him a little bit about some other things that happened in London. But first let me say Hello to my old friend year creek who is in Bristol right now who is standing by. And right off the top. We have to talk about what everyone is talking about on this Wednesday morning. And that is the news that was broken by T J dillashaw himself, very early this morning at around eight o'clock, a m eastern time he posted this on his Instagram and Twitter to all my fans. I wanted to be the first one to let you know that you sat up and the New York. State Athletic Commission. Have informed me of an adverse finding a test taken for my last flight while words can begin to express. How disappointed I am at this time. Please know that I'm working with my team to understand what has occurred and how to resolve the situation as quickly as possible out of fairness respect to the rest of my division. I've informed you have see that. I'll be voluntarily relinquishing my title while I deal with this matter I want to thank all of you in advance for the support. So that was the big news that broke shortly thereafter, I found out that the New York State Athletic Commission has suspended TJ dillashaw for a year retroactive to that January nineteenth date, and they've also fined him ten thousand dollars. They have not said what he has tested positive for and just moments ago. I received this statement from you Sada in light of Mr. dillashaw social media post this morning. We can't confirm that an in competition. Test conducted by you Saad on January eighteenth. Thousand nineteen. So just note. This is my note that was the day before the Henry pseudo fight in Brooklyn, which he lost in just thirty two seconds. The first round resulted this back to the statement resulted in an adverse analytical finding in. This instance, we are able to confirm the finding to Mr. Dilshad public statement. The presumption of innocence under the rules vital part of an effective anti-doping programme ended his only fair that Mr. dillashaw be allowed due process before any conclusions are drawn before I get to New York. Rick one last statement, this is from Henry Suharto to me spoke to him this morning actually woke him up with the news at around six o'clock. Arizona time I feel bad for him. Obviously, you have your exceptions out there. Some people have been wrongly accused in the past but people like Lance Armstrong Marion Jones, and I've looked up turn the past. They have to live with the regret and the dishonesty for the rest of their lives. I honestly feel bad for them. I want to reserve judgment. But also want to say I never wish to fight anyone who uses PD's again, there's no place for that. In may this is in baseball or basketball. This is another human being with four ounce. Gloves hitting another human being prayers to him in his family. So that's the story right now. Lots on pack. Very interesting stuff as of right this second TJ dillashaw is no longer you see bantamweight champion, and he is suspended for at least a year that courtesy of the New York State Athletic Commission, near creek your media thoughts. It's an interesting position for TJ to kind of be in considering that in January near the end of January. He was potentially competing to hold two. You have see belts both the bantamweight belt and the flyweight belt and now fast forward to today, and he's holding no belts also stemming from from the you know, that fight the effect of that fight. So it's quite a fall from grace in a short amount of time. Now, there's still a lot to unpack. Here. We have no idea about what substances could have caused this or have anything more. From TJ beyond the statement that he put out. So I think there's still a lot to to hear here. But it is a very steep fall from the top for TJ dillashaw on a very short amount of time. Yeah. It's it's a shocking fall from grace guy who was considering the top pound for pound best fighters in the world. Now has this hanging over his head. And again, you have to wait and see what the substance is a I've seen people throughout the diary dick excuse if you will because he had to cut all that amount of weight. We don't know we don't know if it was a PD an anabolic steroid a- director, no any of these things. But we do know is that he is out for a year. And we also know that he is no longer the champion. He is just the fifth fighter in UFC history to have his belt taken away from him because of a anti doping violation. What do you make near Rick of him coming out because you know, now, there's this new policy, right? We won't talk about anything while it's still going on in the past. They were coming out with things right f you know, right? After a. Drug test came out right after they found out that someone failed the drug test. They would come out. They would let the world know. And then the process would play out to the fighters were basically, you know, guilty before proven innocent and in in this new era that we're in there now waiting for the whole process. We have seen situations like the one with Sean O'Malley were a fighter comes out and tries to get ahead of it. And that's exactly what TJ they'll show done. But interesting to note that you wouldn't have commented on this wouldn't have broken the news if TJ didn't himself what you make the way he has handled this. Yep. I have a question for you in perhaps, you know, the answer perhaps, you don't would the New York State Athletic Commission, have put this out at a certain point. Is that is there a responsibility on their end to report this or or the operating under the same guidelines as you saw it up because that I think is the more interesting thing, you Sada wouldn't have necessarily been the wants to put this out, but his suspension this suspension that we're referring to about a year in the ten thousand dollar fine as well is coming from the New York state. Athletic commission. Not you Sada. That's great. That's great. I don't know. Whether New York would have been a putting this out. I'm actually not sure of the process there, as you know, let's let's talk specifically about you Saad in this case. I do think there's there's a bit of TJ dillashaw getting ahead of the curve, and and stepping out in front of this before becomes a bigger issue. Because undoubtedly if he was on the shelf for a year, there's no way that rumors wouldn't start to fly in and speculation. You know turns to questions so I don't know if this is something that they would have been able to mask for very long. Anyway, I think he was he was doing the right PR move by getting on front of it. And and owning up to it taking responsibility. And then making his statement that was then cooperated by you Sada. I think it's the right move. I think it's one that athletes more and more should be leaning toward it was affected for Sean O'Malley and kind of winning himself. Some favor in the court of public opinion. I do think it will soften the blow for TJ dillashaw as well. But the question for me remains whether New York was going to release this or is not allowed to release this whatever the stipulation they will follow the same rules as you sat us. So that is a very good point that you bring up I think the fact that he is couching this as I am voluntarily relinquishing the belt as opposed to being stripped think is interesting because I feel like that it's semantics if he's out for year the US's going to move on. And especially if he's out for that reason. Do you have seen gonna move on and strip him look at the lakes? I mean, just look at every other time that someone has failed the drug test. John Jones, Sean shirk, Josh Barnett, Tim, Sylvia. You get stripped if you fail a drug test. So I just feel like the president. Is you get strip and quite frankly that should be the president, regardless of what happened if there's a failure there you should be stripped. And so I think that the wording is insane. I suppose some people get mad at me on Twitter. Like, he he didn't get stripped religion. I think that's tomato tomato at this point the facts are he's no longer. The champion. So you can you could play that game all you want. And so because we don't know at as of this exact moment what he popped for and what you saw going to do once. They're process plays out. Let's talk about the state of the division. Because now it's completely influx. Could you have imagined imagine if TJ would have won that fight on January nineteenth? Now, you've had two belts that probably would have been fake aided. That would have been a disaster. Right. They've really dodged a bullet in hindsight potentially. But it also would have been a quick end to the flyweight division. I think that's when all signs point to let's just close up shop here. Let's say TJ was holding both those belts. I think that that ends the fly with division officially unequivocally. There will be really no reason to kind of keep it open. Henry wasn't the champion. I feel like at this point this division is still held open. Because Henry is the champion of it. Otherwise, it would have been folded already. So it would have been a disaster. No, certainly belts having vaca-. Two belts. Not not a very good luck. That would be historic of the unprecedented. That said I do think they the fellow Banta weights are not mad about this news that now the Henry pseudo and TJ dillashaw conversation is on the back burner. And it seems like the division is going to be moving forward at bantamweight. Now, whether Henry now goes down to flyweight and competes with the likes of Joseph Bellavia as or continues his his quest at bantamweight for a now, vacant title is going to be interesting appeal here, but certainly I think this opens up options of the bantamweight division. How we got here is probably not the ideal path to that. But I do think that the bantamweight division is celebrating today in that regard. Okay. So that's interesting because I feel like there's two ways that they can go to your point. Henry cannot just go back down to one twenty five defend the title against Joseph benefit as a fly weight fight. That's pretty important happening this weekend in Nashville as well. And then thirty five compla- out, perhaps a Marl mariah's versus pitch. Komo news fight perhaps a more more is for sus algebra, sterling to fight. I actually think near creek. I actually think that this expedites the death of the flyweights, and I'll tell you why one was clamoring for Henry sued over TJ, they'll Shaw to one thirty five. I didn't think that there was any point in doing that fight. I feel like we've talked about this ad nauseam. But now you have vacant title. So so many interesting byproducts all this yesterday. Marlin rice was the odd man out right because they were going in the direction of TJ vers Henry too. And Marlin who deserves the title shot couldn't find a dance partner to fight for the belts. He was the man out. Now, all of a sudden he goes from being the odd man out to actually being the guy who deserves more than anyone to be in that vacant title fight because he was the number one contender. So he's in that vacant title fight in my little fantasy world. He's now there he standing there. He's going to get that vacant title shot question is who does he fight? And I think that he will end up fighting Henry pseudo I feel like they will now say look Henry beat TJ beat him thirty two seconds. He deserves a chance. Now make history it's a fresh fight. It's not a fight that people are saying like it shouldn't happen. I'm not clamoring for it. It's it's it's a silly media rematch is the fresh fight who's going to argue with the fact that the guy who just beat the champion coming down doesn't serve a title fight at one thirty five. I feel like they're not gonna go in that direction as opposed to may be listening to the public reading the tea leaves and saying maybe in the end, we keep Henry at one twenty five and when we separate TJ and Henry for quite some time. Now that TJ's gone. I think this actually opens the door to people actually being okay with the fact that Henry will fight for the belt, and they'll do Henry versus Marlin for the one thirty five title and quickly and even quicker than perhaps was initially planned. Get rid of the one twenty five pound division, the question than from in my mind, and I agree with you. I'm not saying that this is what I want happen. I won't be very clear about that. What I think is going to happen. I agree with you. And and I think that will happen as well. The question then becomes what happens to? Henry's belt. Let's say hundred goes up and loses that fight. Yes. He retained that belt. Does he have to vacate about heading into the fight this division is done? Does. He matter yet it. It's a moot point. I it's weird because it feels like the divisions already done, right? Like, it feels like he's kind of holding that belt just to hold that bells. Make sense for me trading this weekend. What is the point of that? You know, I feel like the division was doomed. Whether he fought TJ are not now potentially it could be Marla mariah's. But but that belt essentially is going to be retired at some point. But I agree with you. I think that's what will happen. My preference would be Henry stay in that division, and defend that belt. But it doesn't seem like that division has a long-term future. So I have no problem with at that point the champion of that lower weight class that is that is going to eventually go away stepping into a hundred thirty five pound title fight against the opponent of an opponent. Or if it had worked out better. It would have been an opponent he defeated at a lower class. I have no issue with with Henry getting that opportunity. Okay. Do you like another outlet you like I just texted me? Yes. He also he also tweeted you. Yeah. Like you like that? He's he's upset. I think I'll definitely made a statement and beating Jimmie Rivera. I would have no problem with that. I would have no problem with Pedro Munoz. Getting that shot, quite frankly, I wouldn't have much of a problem with with huffily on how getting a rematch with with Marla more. Is there the he you know, the streak that he was on was only deterred because of timing. And there wasn't an opportunity for him to get a shot at that title while other things are playing out now, certainly Marlin had a dominant performance, but I could see that one being run back there one and one now so I think there's options there, maybe that's not the next one up. But I wouldn't have a problem with any of the any of the bantamweights getting that opportunity. I do think Henry is going to be the one to get it though because of the champion versus champion appeal, man. So crazy, I mean like we were on the cusp of TJ. Making this insane history where he's actually going down to try to get that belt that that hasn't been done. And now, look where he's at do you think that the public will be a little kinder towards him because he is voluntarily giving up this information. I think it really depends on the substance. Yeah. And until that is known or if that is known at this point. I'm not sure how that would be known unless it is disclosed by one of the parties. I think that will determine how people feel about it. If it's direct. That's one thing if it's a performance enhancer. That's another thing if it's recreational drug that's another thing it remains to be seen. But I think while it is it is unknown. It doesn't really matter. He he's not going to be done any favours people are going to soon the worse than speculate that way, so it really will hinge upon what the substance is. If we ever do find out what the substances it confirms to things for me, it confirms that the the idea of having TJ go down to twenty five was never good one. Specially it's a direct. But you know, he didn't have these issues in the past. And all of a sudden, he does this extreme way cut to get down to one twenty five for fight that I I mean, look the fight paid off. It's certainly paid off for this company is PM plus profited off of it. Everything was great on that night. It was fun. It was a nice build up. But I never thought that it was a fight that had to happen. It also confirms to me that Henry pseudo is a g if in fact. TJ was on a PD of some kind. He beat him in thirty two seconds. You know what I'm saying? Like all of a sudden again going back to my previous point. I think Henry comes out smelling like roses and all of this. He's got more options. Like, I don't think TJ being out of the picture limits. His options actually think increases options, I think people are I rolling at the idea of him fighting TJ after talking about the whole like safe. The though the flyweights things you're gonna rematch. But now the tease out and they need someone in there. I think he's benefiting from the fact that patriot Munos isn't a big draw right now. And I don't know a lot of people are clamoring for the idea of algebra sterling versus Marlin for the belt because of how definitive yet win for Marlin rice was over Jemaine surly. I agree with you completely. I think that Henry has an opportunity here to be like, I I was the real champion of this division from the start. Let me show you let me prove it and step into that position. So that's why I agree with you that I think this is how it will play out. But certain. Henry pseudo is is a big winner. Even though it feels like he might have been a big loser. Because he lost his fight with J dillashaw. I do think he he will win over fans that didn't necessarily want to see this fight before. I think he will have an opportunity sell them on the idea that he was the one thirty five pound champion the moment. He took out J dillashaw in Brooklyn. And now convince them that is the case in a fight for the belt. This is a statement from Henry who does coach head coach kept in Eric of our seen who kind of confirms that the plan was to have Henry up to one thirty five. He told me this sucks. Henry wanted that rivalry slash money fight and the one thirty five pound belt, and to shut up the critics once and for all it made sense. I hope it was a mistake or contamination for his sake because that's a hell of a drop from glory from chasing the pound for pound status with two belts to losing it all he has a family to support. And I wish that no one. I wish that on. No one excuse me can only way to see what you side as final determination. Is this throws a wrench in our plans? It's early and having spoken to Henrietta. I spoke to before Henry woke up. However, if I know Henry he still wants that belt because he's chasing leg see or just benefit as Mike. It served up a cold plate of as tech warrior revenge. Which is a great line, whoever it is be prepared for even better version of Henry than his last outing. So I if you okay, so that's what we think's gonna happen. But if you were in charge what you do keep Henry at one twenty five or do you still like the idea of him going up to thirty five from whose perspective, I'm UC in? Dana white. I'm Dana yet. That's the fight to make because I. The fight is at one thirty five. Oh belt because I don't see a long term future for one twenty five now on the outside as Eric. I would like to see just benefit as versus Henry pseudo. That is the fight. I would like to see, but not if there's no stakes if it's just a fight to have a fight. And there is no one twenty five pound division after that. It doesn't really do anything for me if the one twenty five pound division to stay stay around. And certainly that's the fight. I want to see. But if I'm the you have C capitalize on Henry hoodoo beating TJ dillashaw. Now, you know in a sense disgraced fighter TJ dillashaw and coming to save the one thirty five pound division the same way. He was talking about saving flyweights. He can now spend that story to be saving the bantamweight division. It's incredible. That is that is funny. I didn't think of that. That's a real. Yes, you're champion has let you down. I'm here. It's it's great. I use that drivers right now. It's fantastic for him. Marla was saying remember on the show right after the fact that he was in barris that the champion went down. Wow. Think about like it's crazy like if you played the sliding doors game will could have been for TJ dillashaw. Now, what has happened? And again, the process has played out. But the process has played out in New York because New York has come out and said that they are suspending him for year and finding him ten thousand dollars again, that's retroactive to January nineteenth. So he will not be able to fight until January nineteenth two thousand twenty. That's as far as New York is concerned, but you saw to come out and give them a two year suspension. And that process has yet to play up your Rick. Thank you very much for the time. I friend big big week here for the company taking over the pay per view game. We are we were taking over the pay per view game. As we as an ESPN U. And I although that would be fun as well. But yeah, two two more years on the deal and paper views in how city span it's a big time for that relationship. Well, you know, it's funny because I saw the press release, and I didn't see any mention of a chalian. I I kind of feel like, you know, when Shalin I started on ESPN. Plus, everyone was like, we'll be employed. Let's plus and now godfather, I mean, we sort of you know, we built this thing. Yeah. It's on two hands. It also strikes me on how quickly you've moved on from our relationship that now it's just you in jail and well on the back burner you weren't on ESPN. Plus, we're doing other things that we were building other platforms not the pin, plus one, you know, what I mean? It still hurts my feelings. This is sort of like the Oscars when they play the music. Yeah. I gotta going you out thanking your creek. Let me quickly tell you better. Good friends over at nets week every company battles challenges as they grow updating manual processes, replacing inefficient systems getting a handle on cash flow as you scale, you'll need software that can handle that growth next. Let me tell you about our good friends over and we. Thereby oracle there the business management software that handles every aspect of your business an easy to use cloud platform. With net. 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Nets dot com slash I wanna against that's net sweet dot com slash Awani support them because they support us. And by the way, that's H E L. They'll be a an is at the top the show. I told you that we are rejigging things here on the podcasts less of around table. Mo. More voices, more perspective different perspectives. And with that in mind. How exciting this. Let's travel all the way to Atta to Ireland and say Hello to my old friend PC Carol who's joining us. The host of the number one rated M may podcast in Europe, the euro bash on EMI fighting dot com. The leading voice of all things mixed martial arts coming out of your and soon to be the world. The one only pizza Carol. What's the crappy? Well that really noise thank something about year afterwards. But I'm just not good enough to do that kind of thing. So I'm just gonna take homely move on. Okay. That's fine. You I nothing less. PC's? It's been a very busy day. I know you're you're awake early this morning. When the TJ Dilshad news came out, we spoke in your quick about it. But I'd love to get your perspective very early on. And in particular, if you were in charge of the what you do the one thirty five pound title, you've vacant title right now who are you booking for that? Next title fight. Notice that sounds crazy. But always looking more towards that the Florida way Pige raising Henry who don't care for for one twenty four and then get a little tournament going to determine his next intent or galactic grew disagreed me. As all ready dot comments from half of Brazil about how this affects them. But it's it's it's crazy. I really I was shocked by you know, go you put so much emphasis on strengthening conditioning with some Vida head of that drop down to Florida ways. It really seems to be a real misadventure of dillashaw at the moment to be honest. Yeah, it is. So the situation is playing out. I think this expedites the end of the flyweights I think they're going to do Marlin versus Henry at one thirty five, but that remains to be seen. I didn't bring you on the show though, PT to talk about that. I wanted to start off asking you about what happened last weekend in London, and in particular, the rise and fall of one Darren till not that long ago seemed like Dan till was on a rocket ship to start him that he was destined to be champion. Now, he has lost tune row. And he just got knocked out by Hori Mazda on the second round of the fight that happened in London. You're there you're in the front row, you know, Darin till if you're down until and if your people who are around our until forgiving, Dr until advice what you do with him now. Take a long long time off and live the way he wants to live like I mean, he was talking to we used to play long lot of four Gore's borders Roy's after every single and forty and for this. He didn't do that. Are you reading is physical chemistry change the head of this? When like when we saw the media that he looked so trim and credit to own dollar nutritionist been doing a great job helping them hit that welterweight them. Like, do you feel like it was definitely a case of middleweight was next for the loss of Woodley. So I think that's definitely something. He should be looking like, obviously go he still packs acute power. It's no mean feat drop or hayme is without would you did that very open exchange minus the flying kick some other agents? But yeah, I think I think he should be looking at middle able for the moment for knockout like best. You've gotta take some time off about that was a vicious one. I mean went sat down so join the summer kinda speaking of the accident guns. And maybe I hadn't lived tax considering the cat was and then buying Horry Mazda. Nelson down the arena goes Soderlund or the ruined back into their air. Inter try and get an immediate room, maybe two three minute walk when I got an immediate or. The security guard telling me Darryn Hill was still called out there that is a very KO for going to cry. Now is team help on at teammates have never seen anything like that in terms of damage to tell before. So he really does need the gatherings talked about about next meal. It shouldn't be eating those with haste needs to think about a young the home like your Paul pensions. There was young family. And then maybe six months fine. Look at what's next in hindsight. You feel he was rushed to quickly. Yes. You know, when when you look at his projector like that's only loss I felt like the USC really wanted a new Connor in Europe ago to really put the brand behind on. You know, hasn't gone their way. I mean, if you're looking at that macho when he was much more. Hey, mas. But you're thinking, well, this is writing the darn tales wheel that you supported way moving up to welterweight his last few with Hore. Hey, go you likes to strike that's really on darn tales and in his wheel. Anyway. So I if you can't win a fight like that. I think it's time to have a local like he certainly he sent me cons consider himself a top contender welterweight after such a loss. Yeah. I think you should go to one eighty five. In fact, I thought he should have gone up after the time Woodley fight. They're not gonna give him a title shot anytime soon. This is an opportunity to test yourself out at one eighty five and see how it is. And look we just saw news come out earlier this morning. Courtesy of my colleague peon bread Okamoto reporting that Luke raw cold versus John. Awful wits is going to happen in July at two five. So Luke is moving up and these way cuts. He's extremely cuts aren't helping the fighters. You are actually doing yourself a disservice. And I feel like he needs to look Lucas doing and saying, you know, what it's something is going wrong here. I'm not at my best. I don't look, right. When I'm stepping on the scale seventy it's time to move up. Yeah. Absolutely on just on that with them. Yeah. I was gonna ask you about that. Because that's a fellow Eurofighter while you're not a Eurofighter, but what's a fellow European. I guess I could say fell European thought will do we like to climb everywhere even trying to claim Johnny Walker at the moment. Too much put him the the recalled. I mean yonder gory. That's really putting a lot of work. He was a he was a cast chomping when the great promotions from Europe. And and you know, we have far far wins in the truck before he Iago Sam talking Frank. You got knocked out there before looking for the ones against the called. I obviously know that you are nearly just giving Lucan opportunity here. Like how how would you do in this situation rather than them into a toy before he'd say or someone ROY at the top division on the brink of toilet? So I think it's a huge opportunity for again as well. Luke new failing south team feels new weight loss big opportunity for him as well. And to be honest with you like like, I see everybody in the comments on the post saying, this is that this is a walk in the packet isn't the into pack, and it's a serious series for for Lou GRA call. The course he will be heavily. He'd be a heavy favorite. No mean fee to put you on the way. And in my opinion, actually the perfect fight for him today. Byu to five initially. They wanted Luke Rockall versus Corey Anderson Anderson's on a streak. I agree with him that he deserves a big time fight. I disagree with him in the sense that he said, you know, like what is the win over Luke rock hold get me. And I think that Luke rock hold still holds some weight. His name still has value. He's a former champion one eighty five. I think if you beat them, it means a lot more to the general public than even a win over the likes of Dominic risk. Even though Raya says undefeated at light heavyweight in the he's still not as big of a name as as the GRA cold. So I like the fight regardless for Rachael because the nice, you know, dipping of his toe in the water so to speak to five gives them an opportunity to fight one of the top guys. And quite frankly, I think if Luke wins fight he might be one maybe no fights away from fighting for the belt. I think they want him to fight John Jones in the not too distant future. And so I think this is the beginning of that process. I want to ask you about the combing event and later on in the show, we're gonna talk to Laura SANCO who was interviewing for him ause Vidal when the. Altercation began with the on Edward's you spoke to Leon on Monday. I spoke to Lee on Monday. It's very clear that he wants to fight for him as adult next. And it's also very clear that they must doesn't want that fight. Don't you agree? Look they have respective fights. They both win and then there's an altercation backstage. Well, punches him in the face multiple times. You have to make that fight much. Like the Connor situation. There's an altercation outside of the cage. Now you now you've actually forced the US's hen. I don't agree with the fight shouldn't happen. I think the fight has to happen because of the alter -cation, what do you think? Absolutely agree with you. And I mean, you know, you can see the video I think Leon kinda set to you on me or you don't think he was expecting anything like that to happen and horrify walked up to him with his hands behind his back. And you know, you start throwing punches. It's just not something you expect to happen. After two competed on the biggest stage of the sports. And if you feel like you need to take point now, I mean, you kind of do that to someone then deny them up before you wanna level playing field. I mean, frankly, I think it's ridiculous than out of that. Because and Leon how hands which I don't think he did until them as troops imposes like I don't think he had his hands. And I don't know why that would prompt an exchange like that anyway, and to to say that that Jorges justified insert the troll points there. I think that's absolutely ridiculous. And when when I like this happens in Europe, if this is this was kinda McGregor who did that someone would be talking about buying the sport. It would be all over the trash headlines in Orland all we need the bond this, what's. With these animals. This is the circus. So I mean, I don't think it's really think that people kinda get a lot of criticism when this happens on feely. There hasn't been enough criticism for this incident because we are into where you guys are in this sport. We don't have big brands ESPN coming in biking things. I mean this scares the blue chip sponsors away from him. And and believe me, you know, first time, which these things affecting that, you know. Absolutely. So let me ask you about kinda McGregor because you always have your ear to the pulse about what's going on back home in Ireland and the way people are reacting to him taking a quick step back here after the news of his arrest in Miami. Because of that altercation with the fan who tried to take a photo of him or video of him. What was the reaction in Ireland, and what's the reaction now ten or so days later? It's tell you what it's just compassionate fatigue at this stage. Like, I mean, it's gone after scandal. If not the goalie that we held up as we told you m head of the airport we were held holding up like a a mythological figure. We were saying this is the guy we want everyone to look and say this is what ours people are young successful at spoke. And he's certainly spoken still there for them. It just doesn't have the positive headlines account about the negative ones at the moment. And I guess the the strangest thing about it is nobody like nobody's even shocked anymore. When this thing happens, you know, and I don't know if the newest challenge picked up on this over in in America, he actually matched in this evens parade beside our prime minister teasha, and as we call it over here the overrun or on the over at the the prime minister teashop of Orland was I've how we felt about Connor being over the top of the of the match with him. And he said he kinda McGregor does represent Orlan. That's incredible. If. Have the pulled felt Conor McGregor only, you know, three years ago, maybe even the year ago? I it's incredible. And and I think at this stage people are not believing that he can come back and undo what he did. And listen, that's where it kinda use the Troy us little people doubting him and used to feed off enough or read on feel like the goal is in the same place as he was when he was on that sense when it fell nearly magical not just to to me, it US media members railways was absolutely unbelievable should never. We should never overlook. What I did on that initially USC probably be never doing again. Don't you? Anyone will copped avai funds for a long long time. The white kinda McGregor has and continues to but right now or you don't really believe that this is golden comeback in on winner for it. You know, I again, someone at the very top of the divisional really doubt that. Yeah. And I'm wondering is a possible that this can be rectified. The relationship with the people or do you think the damage is done forever? You only have to look at toys and fury. Togo woods to see. How see how quickly people can turn things around in sports. Right. And you know, these guys, you know, toys fury's ago, you made homophobic slurs you tested positive for Aban Simpson's. And then Ecomac because if you warm points conic with the oil, and they'll he's the cops of the people's hearts again. It's a gory who everybody's interested in Nagoya who seen a mental health advocate. You can always turn these things around those kinda McGregor want to turn this around. How how committed is he to turning this around because as we know what toys and fury that that was that was a hell of a mountain the coin to get back to where he is today as great point. That's an absolute great point. And so we wonder what is next recon? I don't suspect that what happened in Miami will preclude him to return whenever he wants to return. But we thought initially that it was going to be cavalier. Only next. It's not going to be covered. Surani couple shoney's fighting ally went on may fourth and you know, Connor. Better than most in this game. And I took a lot of heat after ceremonies win over Alex Fernandez, and I'm sorry for continuing to bring this up. But I said that aronie was not playing his cards. Right. That Conor McGregor? Does not get entice. He doesn't get excited. When someone says, please give me the honor of fighting you. I'll do anything to be your dance partner. I'm just living in your world. Let's do this social media post about Budweiser proper whiskey. I thought he was playing his his hand incorrectly. And look what happens he goes from potential Conor McGregor fight because your call right after his win over Alex Hernandez Connor tweeted about it and said, congratulations. You got the flight. And then I think ever since the post fight interview ever since all the social media post Connor hasn't said a word about him. Because I think he just didn't get up for it Connor gets up for Nate D as saying, you, you've taken everything I've worked for M F, you that blah, blah, blah. He doesn't get excited about someone who's essentially walking to him and saying, please give me the honor of fighting you. And I think that cowboy didn't play his hand correctly and Calgon Madam for saints. I was trying to give him advice on how to play it. Correct. And he wouldn't listen he took it as a personal fence. Now. He's fighting Quinta. Great fight for both. I'm happy for Al getting a big fight like this. I'm happy for the good people of oughta getting a main event like this. But this is in the fight cowboy wanted very clear first time in his career that he actually went out and campaigned for a flight, and it wasn't ally. Quinta. It was kinda McGregor in hindsight. You agree that he played his hand incorrectly. That Connor just could not get excited about a fight against the guy who's essentially begging him to fight. Think thrown in a weird way. Really like, we agree with you. I didn't like the way you call them at all it didn't do anything for me. I don't think it did a lot of for the fines already jumping up different voice. And like Connor Connor is the you know, he does like to be called out. Respectfully to certain extent, I think, but then again, you know, that those results and pay per view, boys. Like, you know, for fact that you know, kind of still talking there could even I'm gonna made AVI still talking about Nate thea- like these guys that heath. There's a reason why he's gone back to that. You're really on its because we know that drama sales the Muslim member drown between ninety as uncon-. It doesn't Muslim the drama between Conor McGregor and could even made up as far as you know, as far as what I'm hearing those. He's looking at right now that might seem incredible the people who are going Jesus he got him. He got kind of whitewashed against Khabib, and you know, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with them to be honest. The flip side of a loss to could be over. Lost to cowboy I mean that that going to put you on on better terrain. I think if you lose the cowboy people questioning Zealand's for so I think the way it's going to play as of right this second on Wednesday, March twenty two thousand nineteen I think that could be is going to return in September. In W gets the winner of max hallway versus dust Emporia. I think that Connor is going to fight nifty. As for a third time later this year. Now that fight is no, please. I want to say this again, don't go out. And write that this fight is a done deal. It's going to happen. But it's feels like with Sironi out of the picture with I out of the picture with Habib returning September. And I don't think that they are going to go to that immediate rematch right away with hallway fighting for the interim title with Ferguson currently sideline. I feel like this opens the door and the path to the DS fight, and you could tell social media slowly. But surely things are picking up Connor saying, you know, I I don't care about the way pick whatever you want right after ADS tweet about one eighty five I feel like all. Stars like six months ago. The stars weren't the line year ago, weren't align. I feel like not as has from a PR perspective from a momentum perspective has not done a good job of staying in the news remaining relevant now when he tweets he doesn't get the same traction. Remember how Hoti was after their flight at two to. I mean, he was just blazing hot. But now, I just feel like for both of them there. What the doctor ordered like it would get both of them back on track back in the spotlight. Everyone knows about the feud. Everyone knows about the history. Everyone knows about their backstory ESPN knows about it all the social media outlets know about at all the mainstream. Everyone knows about it. Everyone will get behind it. I think it's the perfect medicine for both guys right now that idea versus McGregor three. Yeah. Completely agree with you. I think the fact ideas on the show as well or no like, I it seems more manageable to me like I don't see the sense of JV again after yet such a dominant win over Connor. So yeah, I think Nate's they're made for within Khanna's wheelhouse to say anything stand. He does and look streak on tale. Coined never hits the ground. If he wants, I think stuff definitely would make an awful lot of Connor makes a lot of ideas. And that's that's not forget that a long time ago now in Vegas of their last place. Like DEA said, the only he was gonna have this amount of or for what we know. So I wouldn't be surprised at all. And I if that happened well done I was surprised to see him fillet that. Yes, I did like that. That was well done. Your part was the price to see reply to to max hallway finally after all this time. Max holloway. That's guy. I'm from Orleans as we know yet. And no he's at Mike's really won the orders people over, and I think that probably annoyed kinda, you know, like, it was great crack he was having the crack say haven't flown with all the orders people. And he he came across the real sweet heck, he didn't really say crazy. They'll Connor of. He was a very younger knows what he was tweeting. He was at crow pack place that you know, it was very very media spiritual place. There is people in a massive and Representative of the culture, and of course, appropriate where we play our national sports and getting football and hurling James since distillery, which is in direct and Royal really proper twin Trump with proper twelve fifty so. Yeah for and I think these joins that happened all those years ago, and Boston's really wet my appetite. Anyway, I don't think that's would. Definitely if I ever all the way, you if if it was booked so in that sense. I think maybe as probably the best option for the moment. One less thing for you. Go. I am fascinated with what they will do with Ben aspirin now because I feel like Ben aspirin really lost out this past weekend. I thought he obviously has the feud with men. Yeah. Not going to get these men fight Kobe's gonna get it. He had the feud with Coby Coby getting those men fight. He had the thing with till doesn't really make sense now after the knock on we both agree that till should move up to a hundred and eighty five pounds has the thing with MAs rebel. But we both agree that Muslims should fight on Edwards. I think RDA should fight Santiago puns of they've been going back and forth. I have no idea what to do with Ben aspirin at this point. Nick de as guy told me that they're interested in that fight. He has been asking. I don't think is a great fight for Nick DS because he hasn't historically done well against wrestlers. I mean, the only that really makes sense been aspirin truly is Woodley and it's not going to happen because their friends their teammates there. Training partners. All that more. I have no idea what they're gonna do. And I don't wanna see the immediate rematch against rob. You do you have any good ideas? You see the funny thing ban is he actually want. Everybody over 'em. Nothing incredibly hard thing to do when you walk into a crowd full of whatever it wasn't at the rain there, and they're just doing. I mean, he minds to win them over like, you know, people can say goes, just like Trump, or whatever he definitely has something that or he's able to think on his feet. He's very clever person. I really felt he was in the joy of and see for my dollar tail for until the course the the tree piece in out of phase. Changes everything, you know, because that's the only thing we're talking about. Now. That's the only thing finds talking about if they don't even seem interested in hell this altercation happened. It's just three pieces of chicken emoji little offering. So yeah, I think he is obscured at the moment, I don't know. I never really thought about inventory or because of obviously the relationship, and we'll never happen. Anyway, it will never happen. Oh, of course. Yeah. They seem great friends I actually load that but that made it they get put over toy. And to a lot of people where became across really really as a phone gore. When he hanging out with his friends for them like like tailed off the table. Now goes after that KO as well. So yeah, I don't know maybe the lottery much the way to go. But I can see what doesn't wanna do that, you know. And I can fully understand way. He doesn't wanna do that way to hell. Would you want to do that again with them? Yeah. It's definitely an interesting situation that like he had a all the aces was leaving. Then they got taken away and in four points backstage. During a post interview, which is pretty incredible. Yeah. And especially for a guy who's done such a great job of planting so many different seeds. Right. I mean, he just great in. He's bringing a radio was blown away when you know. And the way he came over the watch that and human a before the way, and like the as defined the time for the end of it like they're saying what he says he's making them chance that's hard to do. Well, it wasn't. I wouldn't want to do it. Anyway, he seemed to make it so easy again, they're planting all kinds of seeds, and he was saying before you get a media scroll as just progress in in even saying, you know. If you got definitely the case, but he is going to be on Edwards not gonna ban aspirin. He doesn't deserve a toil shall cooling off like this long of a layoff. And then winning one fourth. I don't think that's the way. They don't think that's an obvious choice ram. Oh, great stuff. My man. Thank you very much for this work and people get the bash podcast. And. So you can get it on soundcloud at the moment, I believe in their pups on Stitcher, and we're working on everything else. You know, yourself these things like him and boy that yeah. Thanks for the fluke minds. Great talking to you, you know, little bit. I miss you. I miss you PT. But. I just wanna get that on record right from the passport office. We've got it's been five years since I've been back. I think I'm do. But I appreciate you saying that thank you very much yet, the comb back home soon. All right. I'll do that PC Carol everyone. Thank you very much for his insight predate him stopping by. Definitely check out. If you are interested in the euro scene, which is doing great right now, which is on fire with Bill toward doing all the things that they're doing with the U of C event in London coming back to Stockholm as well, there's a lot to be excited about if you're euro MA fan. Okay. So earlier in the show we talked a little bit about the Horry Mazda Vidal versus Liane Edwards altercation. And where they go from here with both men. There was one reporter in particular who had a front row seat to the entire thing. She's doing a phenomenal job as a UFC on ESPN. Correspondent you see at the plus events on the linear events also reporter for invective. See she's a former fighter. So she has that distinction as well in that knowledge, which. I think greatly in her current role as a backstage reporter slash interviewer. She is the great Laura SANCO who's joining us right now on the phone, Laura. How're you? Alum Laker, my friend. How's it going? Oh, dropping a little Arabic as well. So the last five minutes practicing that you know, that right? And by the way, how do you know, our BIC again member by my husband's Lebanese? Oh my gosh. Yes. That's right member. Yes. Yes. Well, you have great taste in men than clearly I I agree. I agree. We'll great to have you on. And thank you for the little Arabic as well. I appreciate very much my mom in particular will create who's from Beirut. So you're doing a great job, Lauren. It's great to have you on the show, and there's lots of talk to you about. But first we have to talk to you about what happened on Saturday because you are right there. You were talking to you had the the best seat in the house. He interrupts your interview with him or maybe we should say Leon Edwards interrupted it. He walks away. We even heard you say an expletive on camera. You couldn't contain yourself there, which is totally understandable. Could you tell us give us the whole blow by blow from your perspective? What happened there backstage after the fight? First of all I will. I will. Confirm nor deny that that was me. But yeah, crazy crazy turn of events. So as you're familiar with the backstage set up there sort of like this little press row. But I've noticed unlike the FOX as the when they do these piano vents the blocking SPN is a little bit more free flowing. They're not quite as picky. So the it and this night in particular was a little odd because the set had no depth to it. So like the backdrop that you see behind me was literally five feet from the I'll there was no with Spock set love, we're kind of tucked back in a note, and we're maybe twenty thirty forty sometimes more feet away from where people are walking past. But in this instance, we were literally right there to where when the cameramen was shooting me he was almost kind of sticking out into the walkway just to kind of perspective on like how close the quarters were when this happened. So I'm talking. Two or hey, I my first question. He's responding. And then as I start phrasing. My second question, I can kind of see his eyes a look over my left shoulder. And I hear Liane Edwards say something about July. And okay, I'm trying to focus on what's happening in front of me. But I can tell from more Hayes is that he's starting to lose absurd to lose them a little bit. But you know, everything kind of unfolded so quickly obviously wasn't a lot to do about it. But so he says ally for hey, kinda just kinda chuckles. And like, yeah, we'll see maybe maybe maybe not I think was was his comment, and then at that point Leon, and by the way land was with the whole, I don't know I say, maybe ten people some of them were UFC staff, but some of them were his corners and his people's well, he's maybe fifteen feet away at this point. But there's a there's a big pillar. Her and kind of a barrier. And that's what you see the video that hey kinda had to walk across. So they were sort of separated by this pillar in this barrier for minute. But Edwards said something else, which I don't know what he's at that point. And that was when we're hey said say that's my face and kinda started to stroll over and then, you know, we we we also happen. The the rest of the time is crazy crazy. But I didn't move them from my silly me. I really thought man maybe I can make and get back. You're maybe. 'cause it was live. It was actually my next question actually live. Yes, brilliant. So yeah, they had you know, the post the post show is going on up stairs. And because of I think they're okay now, definitely from bist ping, sect perspective there. Okay. But they were a little bit concerned with sending Jorges up to the set because it was Karen and Michael onset. So they thought let's just we're just gonna do his big post fight interview here, and we'll just do it live. So it's you know, it's got the big field, and we can really capture the moment. So that's kind of how that all went down. And then as you see the camera follows and what unfolded unfolded, but security, I mean security was stepped in super quickly. It's the stuff, you know, the stuff did a good job. It was more. The factor of the way things were let out laid out. I think that kind of allow that to unfold as quickly as it did. Well, that's great. Perspective. And so, and of course, we know about this referred to visting MAs with all have longstanding beef with each other. So I think it was the right call and not to bring Muslim up. Although I don't think he would have done anything. I don't think this would have. But I understand what you wanted to have him backstage with you. And if they didn't we wouldn't have gone that moment that we saw the camera. Follow MAs Vidal towards Edwards. We saw the punches from your perspective once that all enfolds because the the camera essentially, they cut back to to the desk. What happens there is it? Total chaos or was it diffused rather? Quickly. Even the middle. Definitely was not total chaos. I mean, it's not like there were no mish is beyond. You know, what was happening? But there were definitely some corners that we're getting pretty worked up on Edwards part. I don't know their names. And I don't know it's specific I was trying to get a good luck. But you know, it got pretty thick and that security got pretty sick pretty quickly. So I couldn't really get a. Good a good view. And then. I don't know it it did last it didn't last all that long. They got them separated. Like Leon corner was still pretty worked up. He was probably the person that was worked up the longest to be honest. And by the time, I made my way over there talk to PR people and stuff to kind of get an idea of what was happening at that point. They had taken Edwards down the hall to get some stitches on his cheek and they had taken whore. Hey backout and today Rena to just kind of keep them separate and figure out. Okay. How are we going to get them out of the building separately? And how are we gonna? 'cause they're the things to keep him is leeann had a lot of fans friends people quite the crew down from Birmingham. So they didn't want anything else to kind of ripple into the night or back at the hotels. So we've finally found a situation that has now. Gone above the Tanya, editor the infamous tiny Evan moment where she kissed you. The middle the octagon after winning Victor have we now found that next moment. I think so although really it's my hand is really this jar. I don't know that I'm in the I'm not in there too much. But yeah, it was definitely as far as my perspective is living through it. Yes. I I would say that this this one. That's definitely takes the cake for sure, and I talked actually I talked war. Hey, just the other day, and he was super nice and offered to finish the interview with me back from his trip. So we're gonna we're gonna do that. Yeah. I know I want you to I thought. So I want you to pick up right where you left off per telling the whole thing didn't happen just asking questions. So I was asking the question. Let's talk about that opening sequence because I was dying to know. Obviously was played on going out there and nut shot him. I was you know, I it looks if I remember, right? It looks like he's gonna catch inside like and just why he wanted to do that with the thought wasn't not if you're just gonna throw till off of his rhythm, you know, just shake things up right away. Kind of what his thinking was with that. And then I wanted to talk a little bit about obviously him getting rock. How rock was he was surprised by that? And 'cause he seems I mean he seemed very rocked. But he also seemed to get his composure really quickly. So I don't know that it really didn't seem to affect him too much moving forward. And then he was landing that left hand pretty frequently. But everybody knows you know, he likes to stick orthodox pretty much for the most part. So his Dino how much of that was happening as the fight was happening. Because one thing about where he is like he is he's so under his veteran ship is so underrated. And so sudden. Well, he's able to make adjustments not just through the course of fight. But through the course of around and really through the course of the combination he can figure out what's working what isn't an adjust to make himself more effective. So I was dying to know if that overhead left with something that just kind of came to him or or when he started to see that landing. So it's yeah. That's was the perfect segue to what I wanted to ask you about next. Clearly, I if if someone listening has no idea about your background. They listen to that answer and say, this person knows fighting this person has an experience, and you bring that perspective, you bring that experience that other reporters don't have you have fought in the past. Now, what was your record? Can I can I squish my amateur and pro or together, but it sounds more view. I was I was seven one overall. Okay. Yeah. I said the one profile, but it was a way to. That's that's incredible. Did you always want to eventually transition into this? Or did you fall into a tells how this happen? No, I had no idea I would ever end up doing this. And I've pinch myself all the time. I had to pinch myself extra hard. You know, when I find myself chatting up, and and going back and forth with like listing or who whatever whoever it is on the given date. It's crazy. So I I fought for Invicta how to win. And that was my plan was to see what I could do in Invicta because at the time there were not women in the UFC and to this day. They don't have my weight class. So it really wasn't the UFC was not the goal at the time. Because it wasn't you know, a possibility. So I wanted to see what I could do there. And then I got pregnant and that'll that'll shake things up a bit. And when you know, I admire the women who are capable of having a baby coming back and having a fight because it's absolutely. It's absolutely incredible. To me that they can do that. But I just it wasn't for me. You know, I had a hard time. I just I wanted to be all mom for awhile. And. And then it was kinda like, okay, there's really not a ton of money in. So why my why am I doing it? And then as starting to have those thoughts, Shannon reaches out to me and said, hey, you know, would you like to interview are Kuhnen for Invicta ESI six and I said, well, I've never interviewed anybody before. I've never even looked at a camera before she what I think you can do it. I think great just do it said. Okay. So I I interviewed Marlin tuna just like a one off she happened to be visiting. And then after that, she asked me to start doing the incase side interviews, and I we go eventually see. So I mean, and there you go. No, I no plans of doing this. Have you ever felt the need to go back or are you done as a fighter? I such a tough question. If you have had an atom weight division, I probably would have different feelings because I still train now. I don't try near the way. I would if I was fighting, but I'm in the gym regularly. And in the back of my head. I think I could pick it up and be competitive. But that being said, I'm you know, I'm thirty six and. I don't I don't know. I don't know. I part of me part of the fantasizes about some crazy. Like, you know, Dana comes to me like, hey, we're gonna do some crazy publicity stunt. We're gonna have you fight on contender. And that'd be hard to say no to but that's not gonna happen. So no, I think my feeling is are probably behind me and being on camera. Still makes me so nervous that it's enough of a journal in rush that kind of compensate for the fighting being they're asking is this your full time job. It is. I don't I mean fulltime in that it's kind of become enough facets where it feels like a fulltime job between Invicta. And now, I'm I don't know if you saw what I'm going to start doing commentary for Invictus well with their new Phoenix rising Serey grants. Yeah. Jimmy, Seth annihilated. And I'll be doing the play by play and he'll Jimmy. We'll be doing the color. So I'm super excited about that opportunity. And I'm grateful to Shannon for once again. Call me up and saying, hey, I want you to do this. And I remind her, hey, I've never done this, Shannon. She's fine. You'll be fine. Just figure it out. So I mean into my correctly your encyclopedia of eligible, I think they might be the first play by play female to ever. I mean ever is like statement. I mean, I can statement. But maybe maybe on a certain level. We can call five by certain level. Yeah. Yeah. Notable world done. Yeah. I kinda regret saying it now 'cause I most want to get through the first couple. And then like now St. guys, look, I'm doing it. It's fun. You could pay yourself on the back. That's okay. It's a nice feather in your cap, and that's great vote of confidence in him from Shannon. That's that's incredible. And you've come very far in a very short amount of time. And I think you're doing a great job. You're also a question. What level we talking about? Not not high level, not high level. I used to used to compete, and I still if I had more time I would be competing consistently. I do I do. It's what's called eventing, which is sort of a like the triathlon. I guess you could think of of force BAC writing where it's three events three separate events that are scored separately. But you place as an accumulation of those scores, if you know, if that makes sense, so like, you kind of have to be good a lot of things, I guess, it's you know, what it's like the mixed martial arts of respect. Right. And we think. Be mostly dimensional. I do I haven't in maybe a year or two because I've been so busy traveling with this. And I'm kind of an all or nothing person. I either wanna be really dedicated to something and and working hard and proving myself at or I just I can't even I don't like half assing stuff. I don't like that at all. You know? Yeah, I call you fancy. Oh, that's a great story. Actually, no one's ever asked me that. So really you have show with Megan Anderson of the infancy raiders offensive. Yes. And no one's asked. You all question. No me. I'm I'm usually s too weird. I interviewed on your first interview. Yes. Yes. No. It isn't as a yes. As a as a reporter hundred percent. I haven't been an interview in years and the ones I did before like for Invicta we played it off really Clinton years. You made it seem when I reached out to you were so busy you were going to squeeze me into your schedule. And all this stuff, you really played it off very nicely. Well, done welcome. You're welcome. Yeah. I I'm hopping on sportscenter right after now. Just kidding. Yeah. So when I I I think it was actually before my very first amateur fight. I happened to be driving. A little yellow Boxster Porsche Ag. The time, and that was my day-to-day car, and I had this friend of mine who is a guy that worked out at our Jimmy found out. I was gonna fight. They kind of always thought I was like the token girl, Jim because there was never any other girls back when I was training their work for years and years. I was just I was the one chick, and I don't think they really doesn't take seriously because I worked really hard. But I don't think they really thought I was gonna fight. And then when I said, it was going to he's just like you can't you're too. You're too fancy to fight. You can't fight your way too fancy. So then they started calling me fancying kind of. Oh, no, that's good. No people watch that show. It's on YouTube, and then we have podcast version available on a multitude of clock forms cast box Google play IT shutter, but if you want the full effect because there's a lot of a lot I feel like a lot of missed in the audio only version we're available, and you just check a all fancy breakdown, and we are taking things to the next level for the April thirteenth pay for UCAR. We're gonna bring you knew a new look a new a new backdrop other than just the white wall that we like to sit in front of. So it ready for that. What a to us. Yeah. which which other than in the Invicta show. You have see which event is you're next. I will be doing a had to pass on Russia because I had a schedule conflict, but I will be doing Rochester. I think if I knew inaccuracy event and then contender gets rolling, and that's going to be another crazy summer of that. So that's every week for me Rochester's great. Especially may look at you like I kinda like these small show. I'm not gonna lie. I love I know that they're not as cool not as procedure is the big pay per views. And trust me, I would love to do one of those one day. But I like the small towns 'cause the fighters end up kind of being forced to hang out at the hotel. And you just you get to see everybody. Rub rub elbows. Little bit more fun knows for sure there's like a smaller show field. That's yeah. Started. So and you're owning that. So I think that that's great. Now, you're getting so big that you're you're turning down trips to Saint Petersburg. So it's good to be same same to use, sir. By the way, who I have been watching it as a fan and then. A offense lash fighter and then the fan wannabe reporter for many many years. You are everywhere. And it's awesome. Thank you. I appreciate that. I will say this in in the interest of continuing to Pat each other on the back when I was looking for FOX. And before they let me go, I told many people there, and they know who they are that they need to look at you and give you an opportunity when you're just starting out with Invicta. So I feel like I have an eye for talent. And quite frankly, I'd like to take a little bit of credit for your success because I feel like I was telling. I think you should. I absolutely should have no problem giving you some credit, and I and I genuinely heart heartfully appreciate that that you did that noble is my pleasure. Keep up the great work continued success. You looking forward to your your work with Invicta. That's exciting stuff. The play by play stuff. Don't be nervous. Just do your thing. And and good job keeping your composure on Saturday in the midst of that that madness thanks for doing this on phase. You're welcome. You're welcome to there. She is Laura SANCO check out her show as in fancy. She's everywhere doing backstage reporting doing great work for the see. Oh, look at career playing the music. Wow. Just like that. I didn't even prompt. You improves well done Kyrie. So let me know people. Let me know let me know what you think of the new format. I thought it was fun to get different perspectives to focus on on one individual at a time. I think there might have been some crackling there in the lower interviews. So I apologize. For that. But you know, sort of a staple my shows technical difficulties. That's just the way it goes. Let me know what you think if you prefer the roundtable we could switch it up can do one week roundtable one week raking down like this. We could do a little roundtable little break. The world is our voice to we could do whatever we want. It's our show, but I like hearing from different people perspectives different porters from around the world. I thought that was a lot of fun. Thank you very much to near grit for something by thank you very much to Carol always great to catch up with him, and greats talk Laura cycle. I don't know if I've ever actually talked Laura SANCO before I think we may have texted before. We've actually ever had a committed. We did one time back in the day. Anyways, just doing great work and cool to get her perspective of the whole or him aunts doll the network situation. TJ Dilshad is no longer. The you see bantamweight champion. Wow. So much more to come as far as stories concern. Check out on the bad guy, which will be up on his plus later this evening back on Monday for the regular hell wanna show and then back on Wednesday for a brand new episode of the reporters for now, we say goodbye enjoy the fights this weekend. There are tons kissed. Ella Fe, Bella tore. You have see in Nashville joy a weakened as well. We'll talk to you next week.

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 Episode 29: Cejudo, Dillashaw, Pettis, Wonderboy, VanZant, Calderwood, many more

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Episode 29: Cejudo, Dillashaw, Pettis, Wonderboy, VanZant, Calderwood, many more

"As gentlemen. Welcome to. Wani's? Back in your life on this Monday. January twenty first two thousand and nineteen HOGAN everyone marijuana. Welcome back to the program. Welcome to our Bristol Connecticut studios. And let me tell you it is freezing outside, and there's a lot of snow here to, wow, it's like a winter wonderland out there. So I'm very excited and very happy and very thankful to be inside warm with all of you. If it snowing where you are or if there's a lot of snow, and you don't wanna go outside if you're off today because it's Dr Martin Luther King's birthday, Dr Martin Luther King junior day. Then please do spend some time with all of us. Because my friends we have a lot to discuss on this Monday afternoon here in Bristol, Connecticut. The new era has begun it commenced in Brooklyn New York on Saturday night. We are going to be talking about that card all show long. And let me just tell you as my computer makes his noise here. Let me just tell you that the crowd in Brooklyn if I were giving. Out performances of the night bonuses, if I was giving out MVP awards the crowd in Brooklyn wins my award. They were phenomenal. If you were in attendance on Saturday night, you deserve some kind of bonus. Because you were incredible. They were on fire Sironi Hernandez fight main event. Just an amazing crowd. I did not expect that from this crowd. You know, not a lot of local favorites if you will on the main card, not a lot of huge names on the card so to speak, but they were on their feet. They were loud there were there from the beginning. So they props to now we are coming off the debut card ESPN, you have seen the numbers out there. You have seen what kind of success? It was. I don't need to talk about that. That's a little inside baseball. If you will. And quite frankly, you know, we need to be humble around here. But here's one thing. I do want to knowledge right up the top. I want to acknowledge this last week. Our little train that could was seen on multiple platforms and on the best platforms possible. Regular Monday show from our new studio you saw that on YouTube on Twitter that was very exciting. Right Twitter dot com slash live dot com slash ESPN. And of course, our new YouTube page, YouTube dot com slash ESPN. MMA you're seeing all the Twitter Instagram accounts right over there. So that was but then we had our TV debut on Tuesday late Tuesday night, midnight eastern time nine PM Pacific on ESPN news. It's going to be on ESPN news for one more week this week, the condensed version the highlight one hour version if you will and the next week we moved to our permanent home ESPN two and the reason for that is Australian Open some tennis tournament is going on. And apparently, it's a little more important than us. So that's number two. That's a nice little bucket list item that we checked off. But then Saturday we were on ESPN radio is peon radio national one hour. So in one week, we were on digital TV and radio, that's gigan-. That's a huge honor for me. And I wanna thank everyone who made that happen. And hopefully that is the norm. So I I've called it the little train that could I still feel. It is such a now we have a lot of muscle behind us a lot of support behind this. And this is very exciting. So I wanted to acknowledge that I wanted to say that because it's just such an exciting time for the program. And it's a great time to be here at ESPN covering mixed. Martial arts in particular because there's so much excitement. About the sport. There's so much interest in the sport Brooklyn came and went by now, you probably know Henry Suharto is still the flyweight champion, he defeated TJ dillashaw in thirty two seconds. Controversial main event you can use that word. I think that word is a little aggressive, but it is a main event, and it's a stoppage in particular that has been debated and the thing about it is to me there is no controversy. The thing about it is it was a good call. Kevin McDonald is not some local referee. Kevin McDonald is that some guy that got the opportunity to ref a main event in Brooklyn on a massive card because he happens to be a New York referee. I've talked about this before it just because the US's in Oklahoma City doesn't mean that, you know, the local Oklahoma City ref gets a shot at the big time. First of all Kevin McDonald is from Massachusetts second of all he's been refereeing major events for the last fifty years. And in fact, he's a former fighter. As well. So he deserved to be there. And I thought he made the right call. You're looking at the highlights here yet we talked about the push. That's not what led to the demise. You're seeing the demise right over here. Look at the head go back. I thought it was a good call the referees. Have the toughest job in sports MA referees in particular, you have to jump in there at a split seconds notice. You can't think about what the stakes are. You can't think about main event you can't think about TJ Dilshad just cut wait for twelve weeks. No, that's not how it works. You have to look at what you are seeing in the middle of the cage and in the middle of the cage on Saturday night that was a proper stoppage have there been cleaner ones. Yeah. Of course. But that was a proper stoppage in my opinion. And I thought that the right call was made we'll be talking about that. We'll be talking to the two particulars involved in that main event in a matter of moments. Greg hardy, of course, made his long-awaited much disgust. You have see debut on Saturday. He fought Alan Crowder, and he lost that fight via d q. It was not a clean fight. It was not a very exciting fight. It was very sloppy fight. And I maintain everything that I said leading up to this fight was proven to be true. He did not deserve. To be in the Coleman event. He was not UFC caliber. I no problem with him being in the U of C just didn't think he should be on this card and certainly not in that spot. I didn't think he should be on that card because of how big of a car was how historic it was I ever card in the peon era. But I also didn't like the fact that he was on the same card as Rachel. I know all of you said okay enough of that already. But that was my stance. And I'm going to ride that out until the end, but the fight came and went and there were some moments and you're seeing some of his moments right over here, but in the end cardio issues and just overall skill issues. He's not quite there three in those of professional. And so I feel like they're doing him a disservice by pushing him so quickly putting him in there. A guy who has twelve flights on his record not to say that Alan Crowder, blue bright by him. But there's a controversial finish. I don't believe. He did it on purpose. I don't believe he tried to end the fight that way. I just think maybe he was tired. Maybe he just didn't know where he was. Maybe they no the rule Indian Crowder wins. Has to be helped out and out of the cage. And and Greg hardy now has a loss on his record. I think he'll be back. Dana white seems to be very eager to have him back. This appears to be a hill that he wants to die on. And it's a it's a strange one to me because of who he is. But in the end, hey, you wanna be in the Greg hardy business great you're going to have to deal with moments like that? So we'll talk about Greg hardy throughout the show. We'll talk about page vans ends return and her victory. We'll talk about the new air. We'll talk about all that. And then some let me run down today's lineup. And then we'll get to our first guest of the day who I do believe is standing by. And I do believe he has a little friend with him. So to speak. Okay. So at around three forty we're going to be joined by TJ dillashaw. We'll get his thoughts on how this all went down on Saturday night. And whether he wants to really go after the rematch, and we'll see how he feels less than forty eight hours removed from the fight Dennis bermudas who retired on Saturday night in the middle of the cage. We'll talk to him about why he's walking away off a win. We'll talk to Marla Moore is who's headlining the next big U of C show in two weeks and four to against fell son. So. Usa specked that he will be next in line if he wins. That's what should happen. At least JoAnne. Calderwood will join us to forty to talk about her big win on Saturday against ni Lipsky. And yes, our haircut proved to be a good luck charm for her. So thank you very much. And you're welcome to all the JoAnne Calderwood fans out there. And now she wants either a title shot or a big fight next. Stephen Thompson is going to return on March twenty thirty against Anthony Showtime Pettus. We'll talk to him about that. That's in Nashville, and then we'll talk to Anthony Pettus at two oh five to talk about why he's moving up one hundred seventy pounds. I'm looking forward to hearing from him Corey San Hagan had a massive win the very first on. Yes. Peon television against Mario Batista. So we'll talk to him at one fifty page. Zandt will stop at one thirty five talk about the forementioned win over one Rachel Oeste vich. But first, let us waste any more time. Do we have our first guest ready to go? The man of the hour to sweet to be sour. Lowered the reigning defending. You have see flyway champion. The man who saved the one hundred and twenty five pound division on Saturday night by finishing TJ. They'll show as he said he would in just thirty two seconds there. He is computed himself the two thousand eight Olympic gold medalist Henry the Messager so hudo in the house. Henry how are you? Good to those good for you to be the first entity up doing until after Matt. To say fake year. Thank thinking for you know, I knew you believe that people in the story line, and you believe in the flyweight set. It's just a lot of young that you've done for the sport, which he did. Bras, guys. Thank you. I appreciate that. That means a lot to me. I'm happy that you said that because Henry I wasn't able to tend the press conference. But everyone was telling me afterwards that you actually gave me a little shoutout. Do we have that clip? I just want the world to know that the champion the first thing that was on his mind after winning this massive fight was little old me the knows let's play that clip. Where's area Hawaii? Where's he at? Mr. knows I wanted to hear I wanted to some questions from him. Yes. I love you. Great. Shoutout. Appreciate that very much. Okay. So let's talk about what transpired on Saturday night. Have you watched the foot? I mean, it's only thirty two seconds. I'm assuming you've watched it at nauseam. But a have you watched it and be what do you think of the stoppage? Now two days later. It was a rice stoppage is it was it was. Take an extra ten hits. If the rough was to stop it. I could feel real reason why sorta tacking heart is I could feel his body goal. Couple times from that. Because I said the beginning, I believe it was that it was that bit. I just I touched his face. Wasn't. It wasn't as Harvard Wisconsin per SEIs. And they saw I saw the meaner chain. And that's over him a little loopy overhead. That's in that kind of caught a round the and as he was getting up trying to Russell guy. I did it. I wanted on my late. You know, I wanted him to be able to still what it's like to get somebody great beefs take you out. So I just decided to get this just start whacking. I never did anything like. I never got into guard climb. You he was her game space that dropping twice. You can only buckle. Somebody so many times before. Or it's too late. I think it was a it was a great stoppage falls that revenue is getting a lot of heat from a lot of people. But I would I would have wanted this MMA there's sanctioned or sports, and I thought it was a rice stoppage error, and I agree with you on that you came out very Gresley was that part of the game plan. Henry did you wanna come out quickly? And did you think that there would be an opening that soon to finish the fight that quickly because I think a lot of people that have DJ? Nobody's preston. He's always always kind of. Dictated the ACO and the cool thing about areas, I can find with pressure Neka five with this. I do. And sometimes, you know, you go out there, and you fight. You just got more. While you play your car drive, and it's like a card game. He won't your expressions. His face will show, you all tell all. And I think that's exactly what happened when I caught him about. I body new. I heard him with that first body to body kick. Right. Head surprised, and is I slows arms even go backwards in their own. Will tell you the whole game. That's just that's that's all she wrote a gray stoppage. You know, hold second area. I I've been extremely a-. Shouldn't bless when Dimitris Johnson, and I'll teach in that puts me team spiel leads for. Hendrickson was no slouch. Yes. Yes. Schober say allowed and say proud that. Do you have a cameraman filming this what's going on here? Henry that was amazing. Cameron. Captain, eric. Very is captured so proud cap. Look at this. Now, you're his cameraman seeing. That's how it works, man. This is. We're still debate on coaching. Nineteen twenty nineteen. You know, it's a new year. You still? On style. Let's I thinking to this back down to the lever. Coach important nineteen Hawan better snap it out. All right. All right. I told them he's on his way. It's been a great start to the year for you guys. I know that doesn't mean much to him. But you're on your way. Now, let me ask you this where you watching the Komeda bed. Henry because it seemed like at one point you were about to knee him while he was down in the near like, look, I can't do this. Now, he's down to that ever crossed your mind. Were you about to neom for a quick second? There. I'll tell the quota had thought about it. But I can see the cokes. I knew it was. Or something was going to happen with with big guy. You just never know. Yeah. When I ended up doing is. I like pose before. Close my eyes and put my headphones on time. I got up it was like a legal signing how it happened. But I think those are just natural instincts. Whereas like, you think about a real real fight? He kinda came into perspective a one that see is like a needle face. When these guys are are slow started to get up. And that's that changes the whole game. You know? God you didn't do it. But yet, but I was telling I was telling at delayed is going on that evening and luckily by instincts able to still relax focus up here. And didn't do that. You're very happy afterwards. Obviously. This was a great moment for you TJ has received some heat. I mean, I just see on my Twitter people are like, oh is he going to come on the show and cry about this this, and that do you feel like anything he has said afterwards has tried. It has been an attempt on his part. Take away your victory to damp in the celebration that you're enjoying right now. I get it though. I understand his position. He's a winner. In a Senator before the that's what makes TJ special is a fact that being a sore losers back thing being. He's a very passionate we've sold. I mean, also loser to you know, that's just are being a competitor. But. At the end of the day, very careful person. Or people say anything about me he could say anything even to take anything from the victory. But then the day, let me show you let me show you. His. I wanna ask you about that thing. You're the first champion to hold it. So what do you think is it's received a lot of hate a lot of people are very critical of the new belt. What do you think of it? You're the first champion to actually hold that thing. What does that Star Trek? It looks like a Star Trek built. You don't like it. I like it actually don't it's actually it's very beautiful. It's a lot. It's nice university. No. But I did it on the US has got smart burn said. Instead of you guys. Just give us a new Browder? Would you guys are not just giving us a damn movie? Cost cutting measure. Budget cuts. I you everytime area. I know obsta waited for my knows it's coming. It's right here. It's on my desk. Everyone's giving me crap for that corporate, Jake you. That's right. That's going right next to the gold medal. So you. Put a little bit of Brown. Man jeeze. I'll take it. No problem. Is it flag? All right. I'm gonna hear this for the rest of the year. I might as well just give you guys the award now. So I don't have to hear it. But hey, is it lighter? How does it feel it looks smaller? No. It's actually a lot heavier than the. Oh, okay. All right. It's really nicer. I think I did look sorry. I think it's it looks a lot nicer Ursa person. Okay. It's a total stage Newburgh. She was more and more people Cirque to have become offenses. I already like the old out action. Okay. Well, they have it. Dana white put the built around you. And then what happened? Did he leave because you're calling? You're saying Dana where you Ed was mad or something. I think we're hiding told you I says I'm gonna talk this on earth says lose that weight of focus the Murdy lives, a bigger purpose to this. I'm going to take your well being than the, and that's that's what happened to me. I was in this this this was a catered for to win. Wasn't. I we asked Noah says, you know, what bring him down. And it's fortunate people will take a little bit out of the victory law. People would complain about it. But people guys always gonna kill all her. You know, number one. It's like every time before I go fight area. I always pay the guy, and I always talk about watches by safe, but the safety the safety my opponent like every time, I don't just worry about being like. Bipolar has founded by opponent has has has something to live for. And I always praise like take care of us. Not just mean, but us. It's a fortunate that people think it's early spot. I think it's. Weighing in at one forty six. When I was strong, Jack. These has these hands Letterman's Hanser sends have been made for combat. Do you think they know is upset that you want? No, no. I don't think. So I think I think now he knows there's there's a new star. That's point. There's a new sheriff in. And. You know? That's just that's just the way it is. So did you talk to him backstage, no illegally chance to see you. He took off. No, he he. What's ran? Outta town. Weren't we supposed to get an update he said on Saturday? We'll find out about the patriot division. Says a lot minutes. I'm gonna have a meeting within I'm going to have a meeting with very Thursday. We'll talk about the future of the division and fund out. Exactly. We'll stolen on if. And if what's what's what's the next step? You know, because it's you know, that they got rid of a lot of people in my weight Costner Thomas. It's it's fortunate. Backs against the wall. I feel like I'm stressing it I've been doing it. I'd be two of the greatest of all time Dimitrios now. Jimmy, and that's that resume speaks for itself. All area. No. Yeah. So what do you think what's your gut say right now, the fact that he didn't wanna talk about it before the fact that he didn't wanna talk about it on Saturday. The fact that he didn't talk to you backstage on Saturday. Do you feel like it's inevitable like he already made up his mind. He's going to close this down. I think has been saved you you saved it. I think I believe I say that I believe are saved. And I think this is the reason why aerial that in I said it before wants to look I'm taking things back to you heard at the press conference. And you heard me now where we talked about when you interviewed me right before this fight got announced says I'm gonna beat this man one hundred twenty five pounds. And now I want my shot of gold at a hundred and thirty five. Yes, I sent the flag area. And I'm gonna gonna be at flyweight. But I told you guys just beginning that I want my shot at one hundred thirty five pounds the continue to keep adding to their legs, Sanderson all the move to fly away while you know, he say that. But I'll tell you the beginning. This is the point aerial that is I want my crock at second government. What about my legacy now? Now, I believe I believe on one of the greatest of all time, and I want to secure with this victory at one hundred and thirty five pounds. Okay. So that is accurate and that is consistent. You have been saying that but people like my partner shale and others are saying well now it's contradictory because you're saying you want to save the flyway to you wanna be a flyweight. But then your next fight. You wanna move up to one thirty five. So it doesn't feel like you're doing this for the flyweights at feels like you're just kind of doing it for yourself. What do you say to those people are like, okay, you're talking about saving the flyaways? But now you're talking on your next flight is at bantamweight. No. That's all to it. I think if anybody was in my position but donors why I would do this is making sure that the hundred twenty five pound bell is secure for all of us. Not just for me for all of us. And I got to sit down and really talk to Dana. 'cause I don't know what's going on. You know? I can I can I can promise you guys that go to you know, all we could go to get that one twenty five. I don't have a with that TJ. If you want your rematch. You got it there. You lost your juicer lost your juice? He lost to me. I'm your next fight. I think I think everybody knows that they're not gonna give you. It's lost ridge and spent less revenge loss to me your stock mar-, your your stock market would down. Do you feel like a different fighter one twenty five because of that extra ten pounds? He cut. His rhythm. Everything was good or I don't I don't. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. It was a quick fight. I can tell you something I have never been in. And I said at the press conference I have never been in. This is the best shape of my life. Or fibula aerial have. I fucked this stone if people at near force one my signs team manager noted incredible job incredible John on make you wait easy. Not easy, but making way recovering like a like a maniac going out the night feel strong. I just I feel overwhelmed. I I thought overpowering a teacher I just felt good because of the people that are have around near foresworn along. Thank my coach, captain, Eric, Eric embarrassing. But this who put the right team together lying off from hauling Brazil for Mexico. I mean guys I- trae like a professional. I am professional like living. If he has to see my exactly everything would be everything that I've been Ariel has a purpose. Technical wise, scientific wise that we're doing everything. Bye. Bye. Bye. The books by by the books of of of of of the human and you need to get paid like a professional to now. Right. Yes. Yes, absolutely area because you don't feel like you have been paid accordingly. I'm I'm here to buy them. I'm the cash count on. It's the civil alway, you know, everybody wants to piece of me. Now, everybody's come out of the worst. I got a huge target. But you know, what I'm gonna break. No. Everybody's out nodes. Hold fly. We Ted battlements with the history of loves get a it's gonna it's going to hold for as, but I can tell you one thing that I'm gonna continue to fight when I continue to find needed with uncle Dana. And there we're gonna take it from there, by the way at that meeting. Walk it with that press. Release the numbers on Saturday. You see those numbers five hundred plus thousand subscriptions addity is PM plus in one day highest rated prelims on cable and five years six years. I mean, you gotta bring that people wanna see you fight. It's all because of you Henry. Yeah. Yeah. Redoubt next question for you. Yes. Credit credit hour credits in both me. And you I think we did a great job Henry from being honest. I think we did a phenomenal. If I'm being honest. I think you, and I sold this car better than anyone on the planet better than anyone the people who got paid to sell. It didn't sell it as good as you. And I most important fight UFC history. I said it trade market. I liked that came out the snake. I didn't I did it because I knew this was this was drawn attention to the flyway tomorrow. And you will I mean, I got people in in the city just randomly walking. I got people here. Just recognizing Newark centers. They're not huge animate Nuys, you know, or not in the I there quite frequently quite a bit and nobody oh, that's C O K. But now after this fight at the Barclay center. The people the everybody from the guy holding the door to to to to the to the to the to the person survey at the bar. It's crazy. It's overwhelming. Just a couple more minutes left with the reigning defending UFC flyweight champion the man who saved one hundred twenty five pound division. The great Henry thank you so much for doing. This. Henry Henry, I have to say there's one thing that you didn't mention that. I was a big factor in your victory on Saturday. An overlooked factor. The beard Henry the power of the beard is a very powerful thing. You gotta keep that thing. Please do not your different. I saw the pictures of you. And you DJ you look completely different. You are a man with that beard. You are intimidating. Okay. Please. Don't let go of that thing. Okay. Keep it you're gonna keep it to actually you know, what that actually could tell you right now on. A national on national worldwide like Streep that we're also on the ESPN news Henry. Okay. So don't forget, we're on TV. All right. We're multifaceted here. Okay. I'm sorry. Yes. Try do an in studio interview. But when you started be that tax much 'cause I was really thinking about this cut in the hoping all on my story. And you said you gotta keep it. If you're a why actually how what an honor? I didn't have that much power. And I listened I listened I thought it was the Bella twins. Can you tell me the story you in the Bella twins cozying up on the plane? What happened there? Do you know them or you just bumped into them? Bump into or sitting or spas. I positive right next to me and the in. I started dude, I Nikki Bellas been my biggest. Really tell them like biggest crusher. So she was sitting next to me off. I. I. L of grosses. And then I add my little niece. She's nine years old. And she loves she loves she loves the L tunes. And she was she with her for shadow hall. We choose her for Halloween, Nikki Bella, and she was making. Burr for her birthday birthday feet, wile? You know, I like my niece. This is my nieces can you do a key give a shadow for? We'll be the. And again super knives. Go I used by these talk to her. I saw that. I saw that. Well, and then running on your Instagram. Did you see them give you I don't know who's writing because it's just one account for two people, which is a little strange. But did you see them give you a shot out? Yeah. They did. They did there too. The they follow me. No oh now. Nikki Bill the one that's married to Dan O'Brien or she the single one. Now, she's a single Henry stay what Henry get out the way, John CENA. Here comes the messenger. Henry sa- Huta. The champ who we gotta make this happen entry. I will tiger tire. Put this clip out. Henry I'm gonna let the world know that you are ready willing and available that single try legal. I love it. It's so great Henry. This is amazing stuff. So next up. You're staying in New York for a day or so, and then you're going to Las Vegas to meet with Dana. And then you're going to campaign for what what are we campaigning for to save the flyway for your title shuttle, one thirty five what is the mission here and to get paid. You got a lot on the docket. Yeah. I do. I do like I said what the you just don't know. We don't we don't have any. We don't we only have a certain amount of saber. I think I think this goes to carry a lot of juice mantle is gonna be both aerial I want I want my shine at hurry thin five pound. And I want say the plywood division. It's both know though, that that's just the way is that you can only have one. What if they say you can only have one pick? Very what are you doing? What if they say that I'm gonna give you the the day to now come on? What's more important to you to save your division or to go work, citing the flatly? Yes. Yes. Yes. Why is he hiding Wisey hate him not answering your questions he you put by the way? You did. You put them on the spot on Thursday, you made a bet with him. And he wouldn't take it. And he's the biggest gamble there is there. It's scary now. Now, I think now he believes Henry he needed to see it. Yeah. He has to he has to eat. He's there's there's there's music in his year ball. There's I can tell I can tell he's gonna he's gonna change only me. Did you hear from DJ that he's send anything to you know, I have loud I had curious to appear seeing that here from earlier so high spoke to beforehand, and he said he was rooting for you. Yeah. I said, what do you think of all this stuff going on? This was your way class. You put it on the map. He said I'm rooting for Henry, I hope they saved the division. I hope he wins. Oh, wow. That's awesome. BJ is a hell of a fighter. But I still think the greatest of all time. That means that means a lot to fortunate that along in the U of Steve, but believe it or not Aaron elected a missile. Yeah. I I miss. We're gonna miss seeing in the sinc- him before bucket sits OT's poultry vocation. It's awesome. You've been very clear what you want. But I'm just curious. Did you see a benefit as fight? And is there any interest? If you don't get what you want the one thirty five pound title fight and fighting him again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Joe's. Joe's death. For sure if you down that's. That's the next guy. Henry, congratulations. What a moment man, you deserve it. You are turning in truly. I know your manager says it all the time I leave but here turning into one of the greatest combat sportsman of all time Olympic gold medal. Now doing what you're doing in the U of C. This is unprecedented stuff, and you deserve it out. So happy that you were put on display and not only that you stepped up to the plate, man. Like, you promoted it, you did all the interviews. Are entertaining. You're charismatic you come out with the jacket with the gold medal at the press is just fun. I don't know honestly, captain there. I don't know who deserves the credit for bringing this out because you weren't like this when you came to the U of C, I'm sorry that people that have made in fact, okay. It has been number one has tapped in America after Eric Albers the two thousand nineteen poaching. Yes. Get that straight yet now. So let that selects RAV that Brown up that noise. Yes. Number two, probably say advice that area. I believe you are a you helped push that you've always encouraged me to to be myself. Yeah. Remember that one time I came out with that ask the last bit of like it. Your love did. Like. He gets to ask warrior costume. I love it. I'd say number three is probably number one is. Probably chelsea. Wow. But in all of his. Of he pushed says, no don't be like Henry don't be that audible guy getting people's faces. You know, the veto take it from that. And then number four probably all eve. Well, what mental are you definitely one on the? Let's it. Eric ariel. Shell are we are you guys play the big role in this? And this is the reason why we're the break breaking records. Whilst that may number one. Is you congratulations. You did. It you called your shot. I hope you get what you want on Thursday. Keep us posted on how that goes Henry, thanks for doing this. We'll do you guys. Have you guys? Thank you. Take care there. He is the reigning defending UFC flyweight champion the man who saved the flyweights on Saturday night in Brooklyn, New York. The great Henry so Huda what a story thirty two seconds. Now, he heads the Las Vegas to try to actually save the flyweights and to get what he wants next. Great story there. From Henry pseudo really appreciate him stopping by. Okay. One of the other big stories on Saturday. Of course, the return the long way too much anticipated return of one page Zandt twelve gauge she fought Rachel Oeste vich she submitted. Rachel ostrich vich showed a lot of heart. A lot of grit a lot of determination as always she is kind enough to be joining us via the magic Skype. Let's say Hello to one page and page. How are you? How are you? I'm doing great. I'm happy. You could join us because last week you're supposed to join us. But then you dropped us for a little show. Good morning something. Good Morning, America. Never heard of it. I'm sorry. And that one was last minute to that you start the requests though to be on good Morning America, which hours love. So I wasn't able to join you. That's the one show that I'll say, okay, fine. You can get skippers for because it's a big platform mainstream and whatnot. So no hard feelings. No, hard falls, a very happy for you. Congratulations on the win. Are you happy with your performance after the layoff? Are you happy with what you did on Saturday? I'm happy. I got the finish. I'm really happy about that. And you know, I know Rachel's a tough competitor, anybody in the going to be a high level competitor. But at the same time, I'm pretty disappointed in my first round felt the ring rest. I I felt like I went out there, and I just Hanoch choke than anything. I thought about doing in the back just went out the window. But she an amazing take downs amazing setups for her take downs and was able to do a lot of ground control in that first round. But you know, once I got into the second round down. My rhythm was able to turn it up. Okay. So a couple things one ask about that response. First of all was she tougher than you thought. I feel like Rachel doesn't get enough credit because maybe her record isn't spectacular. But she actually tougher than you thought. Especially in that first, she was very tough, you know, and she had very good timing on her take downs kind of figure to try to take me down. She has a wrestling background. So we knew that she was going to go for it. I thought I had, you know, texted myself. My teammates on that might take down times. But she was able to set them up. So well, and it those Austin's on an interview and he's the dual interviews between the couple here the married couple. Thanks austin. Yeah. All right, anyway, interrupting air Khalani, no, but she was very tough and had amazing ground control top control. So that something we're going to work on today with my coaches getting out from on bottom in using that to capitalize. No break. You're going back to the Jim today. Yeah. You know, coming up. So I'm gonna go if I'm going to the gym about as well train, though that is true. And then what about the nerves you mentioned you said that, you know, you got a little nervous panicked. A little bit is is that common for you. Or is it because of the layoff and the big stage. Yeah, I was nervous. I think I put a lot more pressure on myself this by over any other. Of course, I was excited to perform in New York. And then, of course, not ESPN is a dream come true. And then on top of that, you know, coming back from such a long lay-off in, you know, having my arm broken in my last night. And like I didn't put a good performance on my last by either I did put a lot of pressure myself to performance I felt like I had an amazing. Camp. And I just wanted to show that off. So I think if I'm more activist year, which definitely plan on being I won't have those, you know, the ring ring rest type nerves. I'm I know that I just thought I've been there done that. I can go into the next one a little bit more confident did your coaches say anything to going into the second to calm. You don't. No, I think it was more. I just needed to breathe. I was nice. I was able to look at her and her corner and see how tired you us, and that gave me a lot of competence because I know I can carry myself for many many many rounds we star Scott at least five rounds every sparring day of gym. I have the cardio goal long way. So I know the deeper the fight those typically the better position on the VN with my opponents. They did, you know have to tell me all the things I was doing wrong. Like, this is how new now on this you need to get out of it. I feel like I am maturing is a competitor in a sense that I can really hear my corners. Really listen to what they're saying especially during the round. So that something I actually I'm very happy with myself on our you the locker room where you freaking out were you that nervous? I love I guess, I don't know. I it's hard for me because I have a new I've had a new set of corners every single time in either they don't necessarily always know what I made. And I think after this when they definitely know what I need now going into its. Like people to talk to make on saintly. There was a lot of dead time dead space in our locker room where it was just like silent. And that's on my nerves can take over. So I use it. I mean, people time you like, hey, this is what she's going do. This you need to deal to really talk me through the whole fight and have like a play by play before. I go out was Austin in your corner. I'll do my corner. Yes. What's that? Like have your husband in your corner for the first time? No, he actually my last night too. He wasn't your husband then. So it's different right? Not my head been no actually don't think about it at all. He's way more nervous than I am. And for me, all I think about is fighting and they're certain points in the locker room where I could see him like struggling. So I'd be like, hey, like read like calm down. It's not a big deal like workers finding we do this all the time. So I think we needed you know, that big that big win for him to get a little those nerves out of the way for next time. It you're the you're about to go fight. And you're the one coming him down, and he's a fighter. Well, it was ten. Yes. But I think it's ever fell. I I understand though. 'cause when I watched him that same feelings, it's like I can control what happens in the cage. His I'm fighting, but I can't control. It's going to happen to him. And it's the same very same situation. And he knows how much pressure. I put on myself for that fight in like, tears, I shed leading up to it. And how much you know, how desperately I wanted to win. So he wanted so much for me as specially coming from a broken arm in that lay off. So I think just wanted to win, but very quick aside on Saturday chill told me a story about going to a local show, and and essentially there was an empty seat. Austin calls them and says I can't get into this show. Can you get me in? He knew about the MTC. And it was like wait a second. I have an idea put you guys together, you didn't know each other and ever since then you've been in several. So basically Cheils the reason why you guys got married is at an actual true story that is absolutely true, actually. And yes jail like one of the instigators behind our, you know, I don't know if you trying to set us up he was just like, hey, there's an extra see that next to your teammate. And I knew him, but I didn't. He has we were on the mat here yada together. But yeah, we sat next to each other in the nitric dementia going out to eat with me afterwards. I need a ride you have a car. So and sparks from. Then while so chill the matchmaker for the record. He told me he had no ulterior motive he just needed to get him into the door and you had an empty seat in. There you go. So I wanna give him too much credit. But in the end it worked out very nicely for you guys. So well done to chill. Regarding the finish. It was very strange because I don't think the entire Rena new that did you notice that it was like super quiet in there? And everyone was confused. Did you what did you hear? What did you feel? She tapped you, but sorta softly what what what was it from your perspective that led to like, oh the submission, and I'm really disappointed in myself. Because I don't know why in a moment, I thought the rack will offer. And we're always told do not like don't stop until the records you off. But I got the arm bar, and she was almost out of it. And then I was able to adjust might be in full her back down into the arm bar, and I just felt her arm pop multiple times kind of heard like wins and scream. So I knew it was over. I felt her taps right here. Like, Hooker, leg or back down and instantly. New. I like it was over. And I don't know why thought their full me off. But yeah filter arm. I think I'm not sure I hope not and then. One. Yeah. With able to get the win guess, so. Yeah. Her manager told me that they don't think it's broken that it was just hyper extended. So that's good news. I don't think you should be mad at yourself though. I feel like that that was the classy professional thing to do. I know it could lead to controversy. But it's not like she was contesting it or protesting it. Right. So I feel like you should actually be given props for this for letting go to feel that because that must be a little jarring right to hear the popping or to feel the popping to know, especially you'll hurt to hear her like hearing, the noise she made to know that I finished it. It's over. I definitely would never wanted to any extra damage to her arm that was unnecessary. We're told as combat athletes don't let go until the rebels are. But I mean in different situations. You know, it could lead to your opponent being more dramatically injured so unhappy that wasn't the case this time for other situations. Of course, I feel each each situation's different. It's I learned from it. But I was happy. I got the. Ed, even watching the fi- afterwards. Like, oh, yeah. That was it does look a little questionable because she goes down from pain. I go down from excitement and crying. You don't really know what's going on. And that is actually what I wanted to ask you about next because we've seen you have these moments afterwards where you are emotional you let it all out and it's beautiful to see. But in this particular face, even when they were raising your arm. It seemed like you were crying as well. Was this the most you've ever been that emotional after victory? And if so why? Yeah, I would say this by and my UFC take you were equally as emotional and for me it was that yesterday. You were I never thought I would never fight for the update with such a big deal on such a huge moment for me. And then this situation where it did feel like I had such a long road to getting back to hear you know, I had so many different stresses sacrifices and things along the journey to get to that victory. You know, leaving team out the mail coming to a new him having a brand new team. Team having all these other factors outside of my life. And then finally to get by breath, my arm in it, and then the out again for a year for with multiple surgeries, kind of seemed like the cards were stacked against me. And I was the only time I've ever questioned if I would ever fight again is because I didn't know my arm was ever gonna he'll come in in winning meant that much more industry. How is the arm after the the foot? Oh, awesome. Yeah. I when they will detect didn't hit her in. You can see my little. I wasn't able to, you know, use my hands as much as I thought I would not fight. I really thought you know, my own goal was keep it standing, but I was able to test it. I got a lot of really hard ground and pound in and didn't feel thing. Armfield amazing. So I feel like it was finally battle-tested. I can start going to the gym knowing one hundred percent my arms good to go. And just get ready for my next fight. So you've talked a couple times now about wanting to be more active make up for lost time perfect world when you return, and do, you know against two. Perfect world would be March. I think I mean, I would love closing in on the end of kaN. I have there's one, you know, cool thing I'm doing this month and then straight back to the gym. So I I would hope for March the beginning March would be great anytime. I know there's a lot of ESPN cards coming up several with UFC said, I'm sure my managers are going to be talking to the about a matchup this week would sa- cooling, you're doing at the end of the month. Oh, let me tell you about it. Okay. So I don't know if I'm supposed to. Night. My old man goal in dreams in life were to be on shops that the cooking show Mather one was to be on ridiculousness. So I get to go filming episode ridiculousness. Wow. I not answer. The stars. You did that too. Steel that was really awesome. But as far as like, you know, the cute little like TV shows, I'm very excited going to relations and writing a book as well. You do a lot of things that are pretty young age getting married, of course. So it's good to be patriots. I just wanna ask I heard JoAnne. Colder would say that. She was interested in fighting you. She had a win. Are you interested in that fight? Yeah. I think anybody in the top fifteen. I definitely wanna work my way up division. I know after this by ahead quite group calling me out, which is always, you know, typical. So whoever UFC said managers is coaches where we're going to get the right matchup in. We're gonna get another fight soon. Yes. It always like you're one of those photos like Michael bisbee where it seems like there's always this long to of people for whatever reason who immediately after you fight just like the line forms immediately. I want page, Vincent. So it's I mean, it's good to be wanted. It's good to have a target on your back. So I never have to worry opponent available. That's you know, the one thing I wanna fight. I get to and loss thing. One twenty-five obviously felt healthier better cut. We're not considering ever going back down. Right. No. No. And at one point. I was like, you know, what if I got my diet point if I really did a lifestyle change, I could make one fifteen again. But absolutely not my coaches in my managers after seeing wait cut. They're like. Yeah. This this is the correct division for you. And I truly believe that one twenty five visions where I belong. So I love it. You know, I'm gonna continue to get stronger and get better and really make my name here in this division will feel etc. Flight was the quintessential page men's and fight in the sense that I think sometimes you get you get a bad rap for just being like this blonde pretty face, but it showed heart determination. That's where I think a lot of people started to respect you have to the rose fight. Even though you lost that fight. You don't back down you keep going you break your arm and a fight. You keep going. You lose the first round. Like you did on Saturday. You keep going you get the finish. So to me that was I encompass the kind of fighter that you are so congratulations. Enjoy it. Be proud of it. Welcome back looking forward to the next one looking forward to a big year out of you page. Thanks for doing this and not cancelling at the last minute on us for bigger show. All right. Oh, I'm I'm the kind of guy keeps bringing these things up just to make it more and more awkward, so it's all good. Thank you page. I appreciate it very much. All right there. She is page vans and big win on Saturday over Rachel ostrich vich. She is back. She is a player at one twenty five. And there are a lot of other fighters gunning for her, okay? One of the other big stories on whether we're ton of big stories on Saturday. But my friends if you are ever at a dinner party, if you're ever at a dinner party and in ten fifteen years because you can't do it like next week. That's too soon. But in ten fifteen years someone's talking to you about mixed martial arts someone sitting down with using oh mixed martial arts the history of mixed martial arts and someone says to you. Wow. You know, you have see has been on MA for the last fifteen years. But what was the very first fight? On ESPN say you've been on. I said you've been on ESPN for fifteen years, and what was the very first fight. And then you could say to them, I know the answer to that question. The very first fight. UFC fight on ESPN history is going to be a trivial pursuit this going to be like every single HQ show. You know that that the Instagram the Bill do the very first fight ever on ESPN Nadia's PM, plus not not his PIN to not ESPN news ESPN the very first fight. Mario Batista against our next guest. Corey San Hagen there. He is. That is the man who not only was the part of the very first fight on ESPN. But one the very first fight on ESPN, the one and only Corey San Hagan made history on Saturday. So we had to have him on the program. Cory thanks for doing this. Congratulations on the win at Gary. Thanks for having me on then I appreciate it very much. So this this was very exciting stuff. Because not only did you kick it off here. The man is so one day, they'll say, oh Kane versus JD ass kicked off the FOX Corey San Hagen, and Mario petits kicked off the ESPN era. And when you're a champion one day people be like, wow, that's kind of crazy that he? Reviewed the ESPN era did any of this come into play mentally for you, like did you understand how big of a deal this was or are you so focused on the fight itself that it just kind of feels like another day at the office. And kinda just felt like another office to be honest. I think findings different than most sports because I mean, you're going in and like you can really get hurt in their, you know, we're fighting each other like we're participating in combat like for time to kind of Bill each other in there. So. I wasn't too concerned with who was watching more concerned with not letting Mario eaten up in front of a allowed also turn up. I can understand people like me make a big deal out of these things. But I understand why you'd be focused on it. And by the way, I just feel like okay, I was actually standing next to executives, and it was a big deal for all of them. You know, the debut, and I was thinking like man, we just we just don't want like a, you know, adult fair here. Right. And that round it was not a very long fight. But it was just so much fun to me. It just kinda showed everything that we love. But I've made and in particular the stuff that you're doing on the ground, the inverted triangle, and all that did you think that you had initially were that what a way that would have been to kick off this whole thing. The finish itself was beautiful the arm bar was beautiful, but the early submissions that you're going forward just spectacular. Did you think that you had him? Were you surprised that he got out? I didn't think that I really had him to be honest. I don't really like the inverted triangle that much so finishing. It is in is in the area that I was too comfortable doing. But I was trying to listen to my coaches. I did see his face turn red and the main kind of in-instead out and honestly like a half second like in my head. I was like man if I finish this. I'm the man I'm getting a bonus one hundred percent for sure. And then and then his head slid out, and I just stopped with the Comoro. I haven't really good track game now. So I start with the Comoro like like you're seeing right now. And I don't really like thinking the arm. I don't really like arm bars. I think that like if someone's like, they're very tough. They'll kind of just like let the arm pop, and I don't like the idea that so I didn't wanna go for the arm, but it was their sites. Was there? So I took it whatever. And I love that moment that we just showed right over there. If you immediately asking him, I believe you're asking him if he was okay. Was that what you were doing? Yeah. Man. I mean, I don't really want. I don't want to hurt. Anyone? But I understand that that's part of it. But yeah, I always like to make sure that everyone's okay afterwards. I seem to make sure that they're all good. I'm not in there to hurt anyone. So. Yeah, that's rounds. Doing afterwards. I congratulate him to you know, I'm pretty got to be part of his first fight in the UFC. I know how big of a deal that is. And I know how that's really going to change his life for the next couple of years or however long these going to do it. So I was really happy to be part of that for him as well. And so I respect the fact that you say that going into the fight you aren't thinking about the magnitude. But how about coming out of the flight? You know, you're you're coming off. I was Duke and Virginia playing in college basketball. So immediately anyone's watching that they're about to see you. Did you get a lot of people hitting you up saying, I just saw you on TV? Yeah. Always always afterwards. Honestly, I had a little bit more people message after the Yuri. Okay. Like a much wilder fight. Obviously this one was a little bit. I would say tame to watch compared to sit here he fight. But yeah, I definitely still got a ton of messages afterwards, which I really appreciate they had to stall. Because the game was going long were you aware of that? And that screw up your preparation at all not in no going on to be honest. When I was in the back. I've reached kind of this level of performance and clarity in my mind before fights. We're like nothing really going out. I'm doing my thing. Like always like, it's just another day at the office. Like you said. Still nothing really matters the anymore. When I'm in the back, like, honestly, I did not feel good going into the fight. I didn't feel like I had a ton of snap on my hundreds. I felt a little sluggish. I wasn't able to really wake my body up too much. But that only kind of really affects you in the fight if you let all of that era, and like all white wise, my body not away. If you go into the fight worrying about that. You're just adding worry on top of you, not doing very good, which is worse. So I didn't feel great. But I went in. And I knew those are going to perform the way that I know that I hand. So it didn't bother me too much that that ran a little bit late. You continue your winning ways in you. Of course, you're supposed to fight John Lineker he pulled out a week or so out I asked you about this going into the fight. But now afterwards, are you hopeful that they will revisit that fight because that feels like a nice little step after these I refi tau. They went finishes all looking good. Afoot against John Lineker would be a pretty a pretty nice step up. Is that what you want? Yeah. Medgar would be awesome. I think that I can put on a good performance with Linegar to there's there's a few guys in the top fifteen where in my head on my win by but I don't know that I'll be able to show the world, but what I can do fully which is a huge part of why step into the ages because I want to show the world what I can do. I want to show the world what mixed martial arts in my opinion. Should look like. There's guys like top fifteen top ten that. Like, I definitely confident that I eat, but that wouldn't make for the best fight. But I think the Olympic would would be abandoned them. Like, I think I can look really good against Linegar. I think that I have a lot of things playing in my favorite was Linegar, but also miniature super dangerous. So I think you'd be able to bring out the best in me as well. Like, I like those fights like I mean when I first heard Lineker fight on them. Like, this is different. You know, like top guy huge hitter. Like, there's there's always that voice in the back of your head. Like, all what what if what if you get knocked out and everyone, you know, like so, but I like those fights stepping outside my comfort zone. I like improving myself as a person and has martial artists in an combatant. But I would love to fight Linegar. But if it's someone else's long as it's like a good fight. You know, like they may resume. Negative fight. And the and pharma Mick burger fight. So ready? You have seen wants to do. Let them do whatever. I just wanna get matchup Bracken show. What I can do. I feel like you are one of the rising stars not only in your division. But in the sport in the UFC right now in particular, and obviously a lot changes as you start to climb the ranks. And you get a lot busier and you have to take this whole game. A lot serious a lot more seriously. But I do understand that you have another job you work with children. Right. And it's a very special and important job. Can you tell us more about it? Yes. Yeah. I worked at a place called mount Saint Vincent's. It's in Denver. It's a treatment facility for traumatize kids. We have a we have a school section, and then we have where the kids actually live. But. All of the kids there or most of them have some sort of trauma. So must Vincent neglect and abuse and problems in the household things like that drugs with their parents, blah, blah, blah. But they're about six to thirteen years old really awesome kids, but I just work as an assistant teacher, usually like one or two days a week not often anymore. I've been there for years now. So before when I was kinda need money because obviously unable before the UFC or or or whatever big organization, you're gonna go into you don't make really any money at all. So I didn't do that for about four years. I still worked out by still go in the speak, my coworkers probably super pumped about me winning the videos are all of them watching. But yeah, I'm just insistent teacher side. Just make it a little bit easier for them to make it through the day. You know, they're there because they're kinda dealt a really bad card, and I just try to make that those like a couple hours in the classroom that I'm. With them just a little bit easier. So yeah, I've been doing that about four years. It's it's really cool gig. And mount Saint Vincent's is really cool about like helping me out at training, practices and things like that. So I can make all of that those too much respect that is incredible. Yeah. It's an amazing thing that you do do you want to even if your schedule gets busier and you're fighting in bigger fights. Do you want to remain affiliated with them in some capacity? Still or do you think at some point you're going to have to move on? Everything I've done in my life. I've only done because I loved him because I believed in you know, I don't need to be working there right now, you know, like. I know I'm not a rich man by any means. But like Nagin in the bonus my last fight, and the the view that had miss this year round period. I mean, obviously, I don't really need to work there anymore. It's it's a nonprofit also it's not as that much anyways. But I mean, I intend on working there as long as I can. I mean, it's like it gives me something else. Other than animated also worked at high outs. Martial arts. Cody Donovan and Christian, Allen's Jim, and I teach there too. So my entire life is in the gym or talking about martial-arts or or eating or just thinking about it all the time and chaining so Romy to have another outlet of something. That's also positive is is important to me. So I I don't really see me me leaving anytime seem regardless of atoms. But maybe when you're the champion have to do a lot more traveling. I I don't know what's gonna happen. But I don't foresee myself leaving anytime soon, so your entire life is that I also do believe part of that life is no plastic bottles. No paper towels. You're big environmental guy. Right. But why I never I knew about the plastic bottle. What's wrong with paper towels? They're just wasteful, man. We don't need to use them. You know, everything like we go through we go through all of our days just using stuff that we don't need to use. You know, it's crazy like especially being in New York City. I'm walking around looking all big buildings. Imagine all of the trash that he's people are used. One paper towel after use the bathroom, you go to the bathroom five times a day, you wipe off your hands every person in New York does that that's a lot of paper towels one day. You know what I mean? So that last year my New Year's resolution was no plastic bottles. Then couple months ago, I was using paper towels. I was like manna really needs to be using all of these tiles. I just try to eliminate as much waste as I can't do 'cause there's a lot of people on the planet now and the planets kinda dying because we're using all of the using all of the resources, and it's very overpopulated. We don't need to be doing all of this. But I'm a little bit radical and a lot of ways. I also try not to eat a lot of meat except when I'm in training camp and stuff like that. It's about balanced to it's not like if I see someone use a plastic bottle, or whatever I'm gonna I'm gonna yell at them. And give them a big deal. I'm not like a hit eat. But I try to like not be ways on in in whatever way that again, I respect it. Wow. I honestly, I didn't think of it that way. So you just do you do the air dry, or what do you do like, you don't use my pants respect it? Yeah. Wow. It gone pretty much before you got the handle leave anyways. That's true. Okay. I also noticed on your Instagram to I like to go into the rabbit hole. You say job less a lot on Instagram. Is there a particular reason for that because I've used that term before? But is like is that religious thing or just a joke for you job last? Yeah. I I love Jamaican people, man. Today. I I wouldn't consider myself. Maybe like a religious person. I think that's a pretty loaded word, I think God is very loaded word. I definitely have my beliefs in in certain areas of that which we don't really need to go into now because it's gonna get away weird. I show enough. I'll save you guys that one. But now job I did I did emission ship. When I was in high school. Or maybe I was in college. I forget when it was. But I just remember job bless out there job less. I went to trade Lana Jamaica, everyone job jobless job last night is brought back. I like the word Jolla bit more than God. It's not as loaded. So yet Gile John's just a different word that I used for God a little bit less loaded word. She's great, you know, at first clients here. Just Corey San Hagen skip by the way, five eleven one thirty five at some point. You're going to have to go to one forty five. Right. I mean, you can't keep doing this. Now, do thirty five's not bad for me. Really? Yeah. Well, I mean, it sucks. But I mean, it is what it is. You know, it's it's not terrible. Like, I feel like I much better way than of other people did. But. No, I I it's really not that be honest. It's really weird. It was tougher when I was a lot heavier, but I kind of like a much healthier lifestyle now on that was when I was in college, I didn't like just eating sandwiches Britos all day in college like losing weight was much harder than now. Everything's a lifestyle for me. Really? I don't I don't eat a lot of desserts anyways like eating like unhealthy for me. Today was like bagels and lox. You know, like, I'm not I I live good like whom lifestyle and very five. Isn't that bad? I'm I'm actually really punked. On on able to perform really, well and still be athletic because it wasn't always like. Okay. So let me ask you this. You keep rising those amend named TJ Dilshad who kind of gave you a shot early on when you're just an amateur. Brought you out train perhaps, you know, took you under his wing so to speak you keep rising. He's still the champ. Would you fight him? Yeah. Of course, man. I just competitor. I'm a competitor. And the UFC can sell that to like, obviously, that's my mind if you times people make that joke all the time. But of course, I fight him. I think he'd of course, fight me as well. You know, we're we're, but we understand that this is competition. And and we did not under the lights, it'd be really fun under lights and Cory great stuff. He came out there. I know you weren't fighting the opponent that you wanted to fight originally became out there. You did the thing he kicked off this era and very big way. A lot of people really excited about that. It was a fun way to start the whole thing. Congratulations on the victory. Congratulations on remaining undefeated UFC. It's been a lot of fun to see you slowly. But surely rise up the ranks. And I'm looking forward to seeing what you do next and throughout this year. And then some so thanks for stepping up on on short notice to fight that that newcomer Mario Batista. Thanks for doing this first time on the program. This is big first of many. Yeah. Thanks a lot area. Joblessness jobless my bra. There is the great Corey San Hagen stopping by. Now, I'm never going to be using paper towels. I'm so I'm. Mm so neurotic about these things. Now, he really made me feel bad. Because quite frankly, I do use paper towels. I feel like a lot. I'm a little weird like that. So now, I feel bad about that whole thing. And now, I won't I won't plastic is tough know plastic bottles. Very easy paper towel. Maybe I'll I'll work on that one. I okay, great stuff from Corey San Hagen pre sheet that very much we'll be talking to some other fighters that competed on Saturday in Brooklyn momentarily, but first let's take a time out and say Hello to our next guest. Mid last week. I reported that at the pet will in fact, be moving up to one hundred seventy pounds, and he will be fighting Stephen wonderboy Thompson, March twenty third in the main event of the US's return to UFC excuse me to Nashville, Tennessee, UFC fight night. Nashville to be exact this is interesting stuff wanna hear from one Anthony Pettus about how this all went down. And why he's moving up to one seventy let's say Hello to Showtime who standing by Anthony. How are you? I'm doing great. Okay. So that's the big question. Why are you moving up to one seventy to fight man? Like, I wasn't like something across my mind. I want one seventy one seventy my manager Abe was like, you know, there's a opportunity to fight wonderboy. If you're interested in moving one seventy I think that at a couple of times like taking up there to see I feel but that fight specifically something that I want. I wanna I wanna find a guy that you know, when I see him play. I mean, I I the guys talent. Luckily, I loved the way he just kept the traditional martial arts that made it successful in the cage, and I come from a background. So from me interesting matchup, and it's the Hugh said, okay. So like right now here, we are what like around two months away from the fight. How much do you weigh ninety right out? Oh, wow. And is that typical in between fights. We'll actually after the after the hand in her, man. I I couldn't do a lot of Spar a lot of training hot on the hand you. So it's like, you got come back, and I know start trying to cut down to five again or this. Interesting time. Now is the opportunity presented itself. I love the match up. My obviously do to match up do coach against twice house. So he definitely had enough time to study him. He knows my strengths and I'm easily confident high also confidence. Probably took his fight. And so we made the play happen, right? You mentioned Duke Duke did an interview with them may junkie. And he said that he feels like he's almost been preparing you for this kind of opponent for quite some time. Do you feel the same way? Like, you feel like this is the kind of style that you've been preparing for. And if so why do you feel so comfortable against this kind of style. Grew up doing I await more time on the Matt doing wanna points that I do mix even though later in my life. I started to know the wrestling and kickboxing, but one of those my come from I been doing it since five years old. So it's kind of like a test for me is my my traditional slows this interest kills in the octagon. And is this someone that you've actually sat down and watched and said like, oh, you know, one day in the midst of being at one fifty five even one forty five probably not on your radar? But did you ever think this would be a fun guy to fight? My first couple of flights in in my career at one seventy I fifty five. So I thought it was before I know how to find that way class. And and the way it knows I feel like right out of the time for me, you know, trying to try out now hundreds of pounds without that winter without having a get down one hundred fifty five pounds of then perform the next night. Let's see how I. Better against than top five in the world about like, nobody the fifteen twenty hour about there have fun tough. I bite Seattle. How's your hand feeling? Manahan is good actually. So I had a hairline fracture on doctrine Baggies, though. I advise me if I get surgery, it would be a long time out or we can see the cortisone shot which went the cortisone shot route, no pain, then you know, you you should be okay to compete in our training. And we did that like about a month ago. And but we did we did the test under the month. I've been punching three four weeks, and it's just one. Okay. No surgery. No surgery. Okay. Well, did you think initially that you need surgery? Why keep breaking the same same spot in the same same parts? Like, I like that the second overhand right in, you know, the top of the head all that pressure on that one knock on in that same here practice. So it's a it's a it's a technical fix, and, you know, being do clean it up and shut that that rights, you know, laser right now. So you actually think it's a technical error that keeps doing it. Not like the wear and tear on that particular knuckle. It there's wear and tear. But I mean when a on the hill comes back in star. But for me, it's just way over when I'm throwing my overhand way. All the pressure's going on that one going fans they made a hit hard objects like that. And and my knuckles give it. Okay. I haven't talked to since the Ferguson fight. Have you watched it? I have. It's fun fighting for trading because I felt so good in their mouth. How again I felt. I felt I felt like just getting obviously service tough guy. Many eat. He that pressuring brings I needed my right hand and render right all after watching Duke made the right call without that. Right. Hang on one of the outer took name keep him off relive their ahead. You're talking about the fact that Duke actually called off the fight right in between the second. How did that go? 'cause that's a very rare thing in our sport. We don't you know, it's controversial we've seen it with Pennington the corners actually convincing her to remain. She's trying to get out of the fight. How did that discussion? Go between you two. Discussion. I think we haven't understanding, you know, he knows my body. And and who I am. I mean, it was career the handset happening match Halloween five on the back. When when I went south same punch of style that one that one no go broken a hallway broken Holly. And then after the Holloway fight it just kept like injuries Jane Miller weekend hairline fracture. Then who's last night? So I mean, you know, he's been we've we've been there before fought with broken hands. Tony's guy fight what's broken hand or elbows more or more cuts more issues. Like, it's kind of a I could probably sit around there are trying to outgoing kick one. What could happen? I think you know, at this point in my career where with where I think he knows specimen. Okay. So if he didn't stop the fight, do you think you actually would have gone out there? Or would you have told them you're done almost if I'm if I'm fight like I trust my folks that much I trust my team that much Duke seen me with a different shoulder in and we fought before. But now I at the same time at the advice. You know, I he's my kosher reason. So you know, there was no I didn't disagree with him. I mean, he made the call heals us watching from the outside. He knows what k- rotea knows my skills. He knows how hard I try and and he he made the call. And that's why do you think more coaches don't do that? Why do you think that such uncommon thing in our sport for you know, it's so common boxing? Between making your show money or you're showing went on. But they're not they're showing win money isn't that much money? So it's like h you wanna do you wanna be able to have another training camp pay all your bills or a give that kind of making? I'm just gonna out there and get my win money. So I think and maybe there is not that come with coaches yet. I've literally Duke since my first fight in the any kind of art martial arts. So maybe another another issue so happy that you said that Anthony because I've been banging this Trump for the last couple years and people have said, oh, you just care about the money. You're just talking about the money. No, I feel like the pay structure in this sport. Unlike in boxing, leads to the corners to have to make this decision based on finances or not and say, look, I don't wanna rob this fighter of half of his money. So let them go out there. See what happens throw a hell, Mary, maybe he wins. So that I don't get blamed. But that's an impossible spot to be in. If you're a coach, right? It's almost unfair to put the coach in that position. Because of the pay structure, if we had just one purse you show, you get paid what you're owed. Then I think we'll see more of those stoppages. Correct. Correct. I think you're gonna take your body because you know, snow have another opportunity, and it's not this isn't like, boxing, boxing punching. Tussin and out tough. You're being smart like stopping the fight. You know drive. You got ten cents upgraded wits about you. And Mitch Laurence ref has that decision. So I think a lot of coaches the rest, stop it. And and let's see what happens if you get hit a bad hit here. That's right. And then you don't get blamed up until that point. What did you make the fight in your performance in the fight? Man. I had a great time. I I through some stuff to you know, some crazy stuff off the cage elbow punch, whatever he through eveland some big shots. I big job. I draw them. I heard him. It was a fun fight. And I think we wouldn't fight of the us. So I think you to. Obviously, I I hate the fact that I came up short. I I definitely winning that fight living so much more. But it just it just reminded me of how I should to their, you know, pressure off going there for form and try to try to finish these guys go out there. And she's got you told me before the flight that you were just you know, that you had a mental block. The mental block is is over here. You're just having fun. You're fearless out. There. Did you feel like you fought that way and has that now carried over into the even though you didn't win at it didn't prove to be victorious knife. You do still feel that same way heading into this challenge. Outfielder. I feel even more better like after after that flight and after seeing it again. How you know that kind of that kind of show. I mean, obviously damage, but I just like my training better. Now, you're not in my training carpeted. My my ability to fight anywhere. Not pointing like this guy. I'm fighting. You know, he has a great stand up. Great range of I think we breakdown skills. I beat him. Restraints boxing. I think I'm better coursing Tertia that that's factor veteran I remember when BJ Penn win up to one seventy and it didn't seem like he took the training seriously because he didn't have to cut all that much more weight. How do you balance not having to cut the weight and put yourself, but still be in the best shape possible? Even though you get to now fight with fifteen more pounds. A lot of my training was hindered. Because I didn't so much cardio like to get down to one hundred fifty five pounds of my travels running, and I'm like actually running the rule of on more to Spar more. So I feel I feel. Not long time. So I I feel very good in your winning. Right. When does that start has it started yet? Ready yet we ACOG on. You know, what a sham still fast. No I had to speed. I have the ability in out on this guy. So that's. So in your mind is this just a pit stop. Or is there chance you look and feel good? And now your new home is one seventy what are you thinking early on? Definitely not my new home. That are here at once been asking, for example. I know what that what the top division brings. And now, I I'm I'm realistic about it in front of aspirin. That's like on like, he's not gonna wrestle me. Maybe he will. But I just like he he's not good enough for me. Like, I might just be that for the. For the for the striking show. I feel like that's what I won't. I won't have great strike match. When guy was gonna paint before Ligo. Anthony, what do you make of the state of your brother's career because it seems like the one twenty five kind of in limbo right now, and he had to move up to maybe remained in the UFC. Maybe that's not the best way. Maybe one twenty five was better for him. He does have a win over just a benefit is. Is it frustrating to see him kind of nano struggling to find a home here when it did see Mckee Hata home at one twenty five and was doing pretty well. These days. After the this weekend. Who knows what happened vision that this night out five in the world. I think it makes sense for him. If that division. But but. We gotta wait till here. Dollars the US. We we have no idea. What if it saying? The rumors. Trying to get a pair for what we eat. We sure. So if they do keep it like if Henry didn't fact save the division. Do you think is chance he goes back down to one twenty five? I I can't speak for him. But I I would like him to I think in that sense that and his career at definitely mentions which is off to get that spot. And kinda just had to give it up. He lost it because the US he was a haven. I do it anymore. Right. Well for you next. It's one seventy March. Twenty third Nashville what a fun fight just sort of like a dream match. If you will fund fight for the fans to guys with great styles going toe to toe, it's going to be a lot of fun. I appreciate the time. Anthony, good luck and training. Good. Look in the fight about there is Anthony Showtime peds. So he has fought at one forty five in the US. Of course, he has fought at one fifty five in the and now he is fighting at one hundred seventy pounds. Wow. Who saw this coming? I certainly did especially not after a fight against Tony Ferguson. But it is going down March twenty third in Nashville, Tennessee, he moves up to one seventy to fight a man as he mentioned his coached Duke Rufus knows a lot about train. Turn Woodley to fight him twice a very complex. Lex puzzle. If you will Steven wonderboy Thompson. And now, let's talk to Steven wonderboy Thompson, it's fun when it's back to back like this. Stephen Thompson standing by Steven. How are you? Glad to be on the show with you. I appreciate it very much. So I was like when I first read about this. I was like what wonderboy against Showtime. This doesn't make any sense. What was okay? First of all, how did you find out that this was actually a potential thing? I was actually going on vacation. I was going on a snowboarding trip in Denver, and I literally landed off the plane in my phone phone off airplane mode, and my phone was blowing up, and it was like, you know, I was seeing of things that was coming out of the airport getting my luggage. And I was like what a saying Anthony Pettus, Colin calling me out. You know, this is the guy that at one forty five it would have been one fifty five, and he's MS just re weight classes, you're dumping up. And you're not just calling. You know, anybody out your calling one of the top five ranking guys in the division while I'm like, it's surprising. The really did surprise me. But you know, at the same time, I got really cited I've been trying for the past five six months threat to get a fight. I was trying to push for Lawler. We were throwing already a out. There auto was gonna fight punt media last this past weekend that didn't happen. Often. You know, we on Edwards said he had some problems might pan. Nothing's nothing's happening man who gonna fight. And then then he meows I, hey, I'll take anything. And and this actually it's exciting with those excellent. You know, this is another guy that trains with them. You know, Thomas coach coach Rufus in. You know, I guess they figured out though. I think that's why he's calling me out. So it's interesting to hear you break it down that way because I feel like a lot of fighters in your case in your position top-five would say what's there for me to gain by fighting a guy who smaller coming up? So I'll ready. There's the crutch there who's not even ranked in my weight class. You know in the fans is or maybe the US's is it's not a top for, you know, everyone wants to fight someone who's ranked above them. Did you have to be convinced that you have to convince yourself that someone else have to convince you to ultimately say, yes, no to be honest with you. I was just excited just to be offered a fight. You know, it's very hard right now to get out of the top five. You know, let alone somebody below me, which wasn't happening ponds Avia just didn't wanna fight. And I know there's other fighters out there. But they had they had they had already had booked up. But you know, I'm just I was excited just to just to get something. You know, it's been almost seven months since I've stepped on the gone since Liverpool. I know I had a knee injury then and that was healed up months ago. And I just want to step out in and perform and do what I love to do. And that's fine. No matter who with how is the knee. Are you a hundred percent now? Oh, yeah. Hundred percent man that that last Andrea had with those psychic Spain in the knee. I've had a four need surgeries on the knee. And for some reason this just took a lot longer to heal. I don't wanna say I'm getting older. But yeah, a while for the swollen to get down. Just to be a hundred percent before I can actually start training, really hard. So, but I've been back at an an for for for awhile. Now, we've had guys here at our gym have fights coming up and. You know, the past few months, I've been in shape, and I'm ready to rock wall. And you didn't have surgery on this on this need this time. Right. No, no. It was just a torn L, which I thought it was I thought it was something I we I thought it was meniscus positive set the longtime for hill, but we had an MRI on. It was just an NC L. And thank goodness. It was just an MTO. Do not wanna go under the under the you know, the needle again or the the the scope again. So I, you know. Thanks. They get it's been. To do that. How frustrating has the last few months been in the sense that you are ready? You're coming back. You felt like you were robbed and Liverpool. And now, no one wants to fight. You known wants to return the favor. That's got to be a little gnawing. Right. Yeah. You know, it is. It is definitely frustrating. I figure that I'm kinda pretty bad situation. I'm right number four five paddle twice. Nobody really been out below me wants to fight. There's you know, I guess it's just a tough match up to them. You know, try and make that Trump to the title. Although I'm considered the gatekeeper at the moment. But I I don't have that mindset. I'm going for the title again. I'm not giving up on. So whoever have to fight to get there. I know, you know, Anthony pedestals always Amen. I I was impressed watching his last by Tony Ferguson. I was there actually played side watching that do this guy is showman mean, this guy's got great striking and unrest. The mated jitsu. He submitted some really high level guys. So it's not like, I'm not going out. There was somebody unskilled guy smaller than you doesn't mean. We can't put you away. I mean, I I roll with you know, Ryan hall, and he's he's a small guy. He's schools me on the ground. You know? So it's like. I'm not I'm not taking this guy. I'm not taking him lightly at all did you consider when you couldn't get someone to fight you consider going up to one eighty five. You know, I there was some talk about doing that a lot of people ask me to go to one eighty five, but I'm not dumb walkway division. You know, I told myself when I win that title. I'll go one eighty five and see what what's what's there, you know? And if if Whitaker still has the title end, and you know, maybe have a rematch. Then as you know, I think I was his last one point seventy fight his last loss, I believe so, but you know, that's that may in a world. For now, though, you feel obviously most comfortable one seventy and Anthony just told us he was on right before you that he feels like he has been preparing and Duke has been preparing for this kind of style matchup his entire life because he comes from that taekwondo background. Do you see what he's saying? Do you feel like? You feel like you're fighting a mirror image of yourself. If you look at just the way, he strikes the background that he comes from to feel that way. Or do you think that he's maybe taking you for granted? No. I think he we do have a similar style. I that you know, we do have. An exciting style too. I mean, he's definitely got some highlight reels behind him some knocked out reels. And I think so you know, he's he's been used to this. I think to be honest with anybody wants to division. He's probably the best prepared for this for for my style. You know, this is so similar this is another reason why I'm excited because I wanna see what he brings to the table. I wanna know why he thinks he's got me figured out just because tyrant tyrants, different fighter. He's not the same fighter. And even then I don't think Farah beating you know, especially that second fight yet. They had changed. Some things about is going to be a little more aggressive, but that was doing my far enough because he had gotten any better. He's still the same fighter. I could see why he thinks he's got me figured out. But. The NCAA nothing yet. So you kinda roll your eyes a little bit. When when you hear Duke Rufus say that he has the playbook to be too. Yeah. I mean, you know, he likes to think that. Yeah. He his brother. I mean, he's done to pick off from party background. But you can say that until you stuff out of the, you know, until you stuff out there, and you still it it is it is it is a different. It's a different feeling than it, really. Is. I, you know, growing up. I've thought guys, you know, at our gym with that with that style and probably are better than I am never top that rather than I am. It is most frustrating thing I've ever had to deal with we've got a guy now nobody call read like two five and two five of that moves like he's going to be one of those guys making the of C. But you know, it's it's very frustrating. Especially with the die that you know, he's six four. He's he's a lot bigger than me. And I have a hard time with him. You know, so it it's different in. He's going to be. He's not gonna be prepared. I don't think he's not gonna be prepared. So tiring fights, of course, on March second gets Comorros Mun giving your position the fact the of those two fights against him one draw one loss officially are you hoping and praying that camario wins that fight. So that it opens it up for you that because for for for now, it seems like as long as he holds the belt. It's gonna be tough to get that third crack, right? Yeah. Most definitely for my career. I you know, I would want Kamar Houston to win. But man tire is just another animal is he's another Emma. His wrestling is very good. I think better than any of the guys that that men has faced I believe that tyrant striking is he's very explosive. They're both have their hands full. But for my career Yao would want would want to win. It seems like that the top of that division is a mess. Lot of drama. They're not it will right. I mean, not your style. It's just a lot going on over there at the top between him loose Mohan Covington. Yeah. And then and then you got another high level wrestler into make now I mean asking yes, that's the the top ten in the top five is just screaming with just high level wrestler high level which which is excited to make. I gotta keep I gotta stay on my game. I gotta keep the volving keep getting better at that. You know? So, of course, my forte is striking. Everybody knows that these guys know I'm gonna stand in front of this guy. I better be on par. I wanna. This guy to the ground. They're prepared for that. So there's a lot of guys in that vision. But they said if a lot of drama like what ex like what's going on for the past six months like I have no idea what's going on. What's next for me? What's next for the welterweight division? You know, it's gonna find a nose. Got her hand is gonna fight us men. I don't know all the drama, but it's crazy by the way, speaking of aspirin, he's fighting Robbie Lawler next. And I saw the reports that you are scheduled to fight him. What happened with that fight? I have no idea. Okay. For for a second. There. I thought it was going to happen. We'll talk with you have see we even talking to his management. I felt we felt like it was gonna be ago. And then literally overnight we find out he's financing, and I'm like. One thing that I knew the fans were behind it. It was actually I was in New York City. There for think prescribes fight when I found out, and I found out he was actually going to be the one fighting Lawler. I'm like now who am I gonna fight, you know, finance though? Yeah. Man for for about a month there. I was for sure for sure thought I was we were going to be doing out. So it may still happen. You know, if you goes out there and brings out the the old Robbie Lawler and put away asking we we still may be fighting or asking beaten on eighty high national it's up in there. I have no idea who knows while fighting that. But you know, it it's this is a fun division. It's the most snack division and the OC glad to be a part of it. I wouldn't wanna be a part of the the weakest of vision, and the UFC, you know, just be able to say that I've bought the best is in the world. You know that doesn't for me. That's awesome incurred from wrong. You're supposed to fight on the card this past weekend in Brooklyn. Right. Wasn't that the original plan that was the original plan? We we've thought it was going be excuse me, positive and literally. The getting closer and closer became three weeks out. No word. We finally talked the management. They were like not by you don't wanna fight. So. You know, say to you know, we'll see what happens. We'll see what we can find out, and then you days lighter. Anthony pet is calls me out. So here we are. Your style is not one where in correct me. If you feel otherwise where size length plays a factor but size. I don't know. If it plays a factor in your style. But in this particular fight, I feel like you will have a size advantage over him. Are you going to try to utilize that in the fight? You know, what I would be soup if I did. But when it comes to striking become. Which I will become a stand up by. He may look for a takedown I'll be fair for that. But if the does become end up striking match, you know what I fought boxing. I weighed probably when eighty four one eighty five our jump up to one ninety five even in close to two hundred guys. It did matter still not out. So to a striking game. If you're able to close that gap on me, then I don't think size matter. But that's that's the especially to high level stripe is gonna be the game. That's gonna be the chess match is going to be the distance management. Who has the better faints to let those kicks in those hands land who's going to be able to move in and out in town reach other. You know? No, he's gonna be looking to counter me. I'm gonna be looking to counter him. But. That's what makes this fight. So exciting. I think he's gonna be trying to throw his his flashy techniques, and I gonna be doing the same. He's not going to beat. He's not going to be with the flashing this. I love it. I I'm getting two months away. And I'm getting say, and my correct in reading that you think you'll finish them in the first round. Did you say that you know, what I said I said. That that could happen. Yes. If I that could definitely happen in the first round, I feel like I I have more. I have more power. I think I've I have the better striking. If it goes the way I wanted to go definitely have. But you know, I always look for the the worst possible when prepare for fight I'm here for five five around war. I think everybody knows that. I think I proven that. When I stepped out there that I'm not giving up. But you know, if they're not there, it's there, you know, I'm gonna go for it. But I never looked for. I think I can I think I can I can land those fix Landau spots to be able to finish him in the first trial. That said, you know, unprepared for whatever I'm prepared for five gruesome war, by the way, congrats on that deal. What's the name of the company is at van Husson TJ, those that's a cool commercial banks. Did you watch it during the past shows, it may get thrown to the desk with you know, what that was a really cool experience. It took literally Friday Saturday Tobel whole week in second video six AM like eleven o'clock AM at night. It was awesome. That we did our own stunts. But we had we had our own stunt doubles waiting the bag. You know, like they're like we're doing this ourselves like a dream come true. You know, you you go up wanting to be in an action video, you know. So my whole. You know, my whole thing was I wanted to get I was more excited to get into a desk than actually being in commercial and. We had one desk to get Brown phone into. We didn't have we we only had one top. And it had to be perfect. And then we crushed. It was often and Li like now, so I you have a very busy afternoon because the kids get at a school like so three o'clock or so what are you doing? I wanna know what a Stephen Thompson. You're actually at school. If I'm a kid growing up in South Carolina. I could just go train with you right now is that is that accurate. You can actually today. Martin yet grad school that we have karate him going on. And I just let are trampling art where we were there or about two hours dumping around having a good time had a buddy mining a little early. So I can actually hang out with you on that was on the way back crowded school. They're probably there right now. They're probably being there. So yeah, man were party. We're having a good time. We got classes happened around four o'clock though. Yeah. You weren't in school. We hanging out with me. And you having a good time. How lucky are these kids? Unbelievable. We are very much. You are lucky man. I fight for the fun of it. Like, the money's the bonus. I could stop fighting right now enjoy doing what I do. Teaching classes just just knowing that. I have you know, these kids look up to me, and and have a really cool positive, you know, influence in their lives and to see these kids grow up, and you know, we've got kids who've been taking their since they were three they're twenty five. Now, it's it's awesome Sienese kids grow up. So the fighting is just the owner span does anything ever get you upset like you ever get annoyed about anything? Are you always so positive and happy not enough sleep? Okay. I got to get at least a good thirteen hours on Chechnya's. I sleep. I know nobody is if I don't get Mosley. I'm not I'm not a morning. Okay. And yeah, I don't know. I think just doing what I do. And I love doing what I do. So what else? Could you ask for nothing? You know, if I do get frustrated, I take it out of the bag or sparring partner. And then after that, I'm also unbelievable. We need more people like you in this world. Stephen owes grades catch up with you what a fun fight March twenty third. Nashville Tennessee, Anthony, Pettus moving up from one fifty five to one seventy to fight wonderboy Thomson. That's going to be a great one at treat for the fans in Nashville. Thanks so much for doing this. Enjoy the rest of your day with the kids, and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you. My friend is definitely all right? There is the one and only Stephen wonderboy Thompson. So that card is is filling up Stephen Thompson, Anthony Pettus Curtis blades. Justin Willis, Macy barber random Marcos on the card against Angela hill. Macy Barbara JJ. Aldrich. By just a says, I just said Alexis Davis against Jennifer Maya sodas rapidly filling up that's the March twenty third card. There's March thirtieth card in Philly. That's the one where karate Hadi's fighting Carleen Koba, cave, rich. There's also the March sixteenth card in London which last week. It was announced Darren till is going to be headlining that one against one Jorges Mazda. Also Leon Edwards fighting the combing event against one Gunnar Nelson. Speaking. Of the United Kingdom. Let us talk to our next guest would a big win for her this past Saturday against one Addy Lipsky. In fact, she was the underdog going into that fight a UFC veteran going into a fight against that. You have see debutante and she was the underdog. You don't put Joe Joe two point. Oh as an underdog, you know, put the pride of Scotland as an underdog you don't put someone who got their hair did at a Brooklyn barbershop as the underdog, and they ended up being robbed because she won in very dominant fashion a dominant decision three no since moving up to one twenty five and knocking on that title shot door. She's the one and only JoAnne Calderwood who joins us right now via the magic of Skype there. She is JoAnne. How are you? And where are you? I I'm an central part. Gosh, you're still in New York. Yes. I'm here to lens is a not freezing up there. Yes. Are you? My gosh. And you're doing this outside. I feel horrible. Yeah. Especially for you. 'cause it's pay hill. Like, and I'm here. Mom, John's months over night sporting the same time. But do you regret doing the interview now outside? Yeah. I've been pushed for new guys called me my phone stock to play enough in. I think it was a cold that was egging to phone Punto to ten percent battery night. So. Second half divided on whom I gosh. Okay. So we'll make this by the way. Sorry. I didn't know you're outside, and I feel horrible. I feel so guilty by the way Scotland is a part of the UK my wrong right on that one. Okay. For the second one. I said it I felt like wait a second that I just say something wrong. Always get confused about what's in the UK. What's not Ireland Northern Ireland? So I just wanted to make sure JoAnne. Congratulations on the win. I feel like that was one of your more complete dominant performances in the you have C, and I feel like I say that every time that you have these winds, but this one maybe the Latorre, no fight. But this one it felt like from the from the get-go your dominant, you're aggressive. You put it all together. Do you feel the same? I was I was so nervous. But into that, eight MAC campus, the best package have had but in pay to worst camper the hat, and I. I had my tool. Michael netflix. I'm the main cause I can keep it New York matching wouldn't light Matete. My also I had that in back in my mind that I was gonna have John Jones moment, look say baby tool is like facing the other way. But yeah apart. It was good dominant performance. And I'm too. Detriment? Did you consider pulling out of the fight? Not for a second like. Okay. And what happens you're so how did you break? It. Scrambling and get caught in the Matt. Oh, no, that's horrible. And so is that why it was the worst camper did other things happen as well. Things were hasn't got cold. The cold like feet Hanes. It was the worst time of the year. I'm sure everyone else in the fired was loom the same less. You are like ROY. Did you just call the Colt or a cold? I got that. Call. I never heard anyone say the cold. I've heard the flu. But I never heard the cold before is that a Scott Scottish each thing. Yes. Okay. And did it bother you that you the underdog? Did you feel disrespected? No. I just believe them myself and yell hours. A Campos have knows that you know, like. Yeah, underdog, and I was like people were Clement in fitting on Twitter, the hours gonna get my. Assets and stuff, but then do that or sport is not the part, Allah. But it's an Nike mega seventy. But then the as part of the sport. I myself in have them team. So that's all in what about her? Do you feel like she's a little over hype? Now that you've been in there with her. Oh, yeah. Sin as we watched our fight. We knew exactly what she was gonna do. And I do fitness she was back to board. And I mean, she's young enough in she she has got a lot of potential, so yeah, I hope that I thought her and she was on these. Yes, he actually wants to join I have to admit, by the way. How's the the battery doing? Oh percent. One percent. Okay. I feel like this is a race against the clock to win. I was very nervous while watching your fight because I I know about the haircut curse on embedded. And I felt like if you had a lost everyone would blame me because we went to the barber shop together. Now, I feel like I deserve a lot of the credit for your victory because I took you to the right place. Did you feel different? Did you feel better with that haircut? It was all on yet. Thank you. Thank you wanted to hear. Thank you. Thank you. I was waiting for you to actually sit as we're looking at our trip to the barbershop. That was a lot of fun. Did you enjoy it? I love that. In fact, you exposure, everyone all fans FTE them the NFL too. They really enjoyed that side fish, it you taking the payment patching at TI ESPN ESPN actually wanting to do it. So. Thank you so much for that though. Prominent and the whole barbershop watched you fight the first time they ever watched a UFC fight before they were all cheering for you. I just wanted you to know that. Another three or four fans. Yes. At least at the very least, and maybe they told to people, and they told to people, and they told people and so on and so forth. That's a Wayne's world joke. I don't know if you ever say, you were Wayne's world. Do they have that? And startling. They don't have that is very nerve wracking. So I feel like the thing is gonna die any second on me here. Okay. So okay. So you got the victory was dominant disappointed that you didn't finish her in the first round. Because it looked like you had a Cup opportunities there. It does that then get stopped because that's the one thing that I was thinking when how they imagine. Thanks in. Like a near fall the Selfridge one. I lens. So you told me you needed to get three stoppages to try to leapfrog. Jessica I feel like now that you didn't get the stoppage. You're not going to leave Prague her. No. I just thought that because. Have a kiss or that argument? But. I mean, I just put there and see what happens. I just saw. But. But. Hit on natural and cheese. Go we both won and same, Sean. I'm goes out. Right now at this one spot guest things about on happened. Then I forget that onto the next hour. Take a bit of a shot at your cardio. And then your response was quite funny as well. He said how about cardio on your face or something like that? She didn't really take the bait. But wh what was she saying? Did you have cardio issues in the fight? I think that's like I was I was I was tired that. There is pressure on felt and I just felt I was before the site after them. Tired? Mariah guests cats capsules a hard one is probably more campus in the fight. But I mean, I was everyone get fired enough. I my car do. I don't I do see. Was it hard to run because you had a broken toe to to lose weight. I offer songs that it up. It was fame. Let's go. Interesting. So so so it looks like Jessica's going to get the title shot. It seems or at least that's what she's saying. I think Dana white alluded to that as well. So if not just the one you want patrons at. Anyone? That's how soon you wanna come back. Like, you think he may be the London card? Yeah. We'd get school from March. Okay. That would be good. And by the way, I have to say your corner just keeps getting cooler and cooler. I you add Roxanne Mata fairy whose pound for pound along with you, maybe the nicest people in the game. And now you've got Sarah Kaufman. Fellow Canadian in the mix as well. I feel like you're really developing like like an all nice dream team here like just the nicest people in a corner like the most the least intimidating nicest corner in the history of the sport. Yeah. No egos Mets for training. It's awesome. I went to gym every day at this. I just love that at these Garrard's like, especially Oxana everyday. She's my Fussell everyday we get in. We get to our yet. We leave our egos at site in. To fit. I've always wanted that in my we have always wanted always wanted someone this like me. Trinh in. Fake for does this the first time that you have an extended stay in New York City that you get to go out and be a tourist. Koffler. But this is the first time I've been left, my mom, my mom taught to meet Jordan. John mums ourselves. Kinda killed for that. But you have been here before done the terrorist things that I'm actually today again, he's guys. Wait a second. This is a big deal. This the first time that your mom meets John, John your coach and significant others. It's the first time. Whoa. So what's as what happens? Live from home in. Your mom to your size. So what's the assessment? What is she saying? She happy she pleased with your choice. Yeah. We haven't really had that can't get that out together. Yes. That's right. You can really have that private time. But are you feeling like everyone's meshing? Well, I mean, I know to nerve racking thing, right? Before and stuff. So it's not it's just like face to face of met is the first time that you meet his mom now. At she's in Vegas. But I suspect it's the first time the moms meet each other. Oh my gosh. There's so much going on here is a lot of pressure more. I feel like I would be nervous one because that's fair pay shut prefer. Wall spray. Right, right. But I feel like that's more nerve racking than the actual fight itself. Just having you know, having all the family together. Well, everything's good. Good is this is this awkward for you that I'm talking about this John is holding the phone right now. Do you have any issues? John with anything that I'm saying here, no dog good and congratulations to you on the victory as well. I get it all out there, by the way, it should be noted. John wood turning into one of the very best coaches in the game. Whatever he's doing over there at syndicate MMA, you are really turning into in my opinion. One of the best coaches in the team and the the atmosphere that you're putting together there. I don't know if you can hear all this at syndicate is is something I think that you should be very proud of so kudos to us. Well, thank you very much. That means a lot. There's no problem. Oh, yeah. Do you want him? You turn it around. Okay. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna keep you away. Because this the longest one percent, by the way, usually what percent. I'm gonna pay. That you know that I'm not lying the as at one percent giving jinx. It do you know how much sweating here too? Because I feel like it's like one of those bombs that's about to like blow up in my kale Kagan has just responded to Twitter as we're doing this interview. And she says she wants you what do you make of that, you know, Caitlyn's UK, India, blonde fighter. Sam's out at the all, right? And. He's she's looking for fate. And yeah, she needs to get back in there. Just saragan. So. But we would take that as well. But obviously it took teen SE about Sam needs to get back yet. What a good team that. I like that. Now, what are we doing in New York? Are we are? We are we crossing off a lot of the food things a pizza and European. What do we do? What do we need to do? While you're here with your family, New York. Yeah. Anytime. Yeah. Anytime thanks all their took his that till last night. But it was like four dollars. And it wasn't very good. It wasn't good. Really those too expensive to bushy. Yeah. Okay. John's pizzerias a great one patsies pizzeria. I don't know which one you went to. But those are some of my favorites. Yeah. We're export in China. Not get trying to not meet Jack frost. Oh, that's so great. I don't know why that made me crack up so much. That's just such a funny things for grownup to say me check frost. And what about any fried pizza any any signs of fried pizza around there? Spot is check shops. But I'll be standing from that, you know, that the story on that. I'm trying to ghetto but throat BB healthy now, right? Brett, how are your cheeks feeling at the moment? They're actually not too bad. It's more my arms feel like. I feel like my bones are hurting cold. All right. Well, I'll I'll leave it at that thing because I really feel actually bad that I'm making you do this. Okay. Inside. Like, I thought we all in and I could eat slick went to the Boatman's. But for it would be a make John Stanton home before coat keeper he is to do this not even complain. Or is he going to give you crap afterwards that you made them do this. Are you choose definitely get crap? Okay. All right. I saw by the way that you got to take a picture of Michael spring. I thought that that was really cool to have the the UK. The UK fighters come together have you ever met him before? I'm a few things that are thought in my yes, see curia in an hadn't seen him away. And yes, so it was killed in. It was killed that he said that Brit Fe and all that good frump limits from him. You're one of the very first fights to happen on ESPN. And I know in Scotland ESPN, isn't as predominant as it is here in America. But did you get a lot of feedback from people saying I saw you on TV ESPN one of the highest watch prelims in six years, JoAnne. This was a big deal. Did you get a lot of feedback afterwards? Yeah. It was real especially part of that. And I was just grateful to get performance in everyone seemed to like the fight. So that was in house the side of the hair looking is growing back or is the design still there angst of the ad just washed my here for the first time. And. It's it's looking good to take a shower after your fight. Shower stuff back at my on. I try and keep Akron was and for as long as possible his Ella. Ever Mahir type that doesn't your her smell then from the sweat. Yeah. Like loss, but I take. Oh, I see. Okay. Interesting. All right. Well, that's something. John has to deal with Brazilian art that oh great. That's nice. That's a nice. That's a nice visual. Well, I'm very happy for you. Joann, what a performance again taking a small bit of credit for just because of the whole haircut thing. 'cause I I don't know if you know this. But I got a lot of crap for it. When when when I put up the video people said, oh, and now she's gonna lose because it's the haircut Kerr. Apparently, this is the thing. I didn't know it was a thing. You know, it was a thing. But you saw that too. Did you see those? What he's talking about. We've never rent per here together and play. No, you haven't. But apparently on embedded when they show someone getting a haircut that person loses. Get it. Yeah. But we've now we've now debunked that myth. So I'm very happy about that. Most importantly happy for your victory now three one twenty five enjoy the victory. Enjoy your time in New York. If you need anything there, I'm sort of the unofficial mayor of New York. So if you have any trouble than anything just give me a call. I'll open some doors for you guys. Thank you everything. Your best sport. Thank you. Join. I pre sheet that congratulations and the best John and your family over. There your mom his mom everyone coming together. It's a beautiful thing. You're the man area. All right. Take care guys there. She is the one and only JoAnne Calderwood Joe, Joe two point. Oh, how do you not love her? She's incredible. And what a big victory for by the way that was the longest one percent of all time. She told me that you know. You know, like what fifteen minutes ago, and I was sweating. I thought it was going to be like a three minute interview. And we made it we actually made it now I feel like I was a little bit sweaty and up against the clock on that one. But in the end, we made it big win for her so Kayla Kagan corporate Jake is telling me Caitlyn Kagan calling out JoAnne. But as you heard just there, she's like, you know, what? No, my teammates gonna fighter I want page. All of a sudden women's flyweight starting to come together. So interesting times they're congrats to her and the team on the victory. Okay. Obviously main event Saturday big story, the fate of the flyweight division. What's going to happen? TJ the one thirty five pound champion coming down to twenty five. So then what's going to happen to the belt at one hundred? But also, then what happens if Henry wins? He ends up winning Zena go up. What happens to the queue of guys waiting for for their shot at the one thirty five? It's a whole big mess of a situation. It's interesting timing wise because the next you see main event happens to be a very important fight at one hundred and thirty five pounds. It happens to be a fight between one Marla Morris and one half L son cell, and this is happening in just two weeks in fourth Eliza Brazil, and how about these numbers here that I got from our friends over at stats and info Muslim rice is getting a chance to revenge his loss against a son sound February second in Brazil, you can watch that by the way on ESPN. Plus Morris is the betting favorite minus two twenty with since coming in at plus one eighty and it is a very important fight in my opinion. Again, a rematch of a fight that was super close. Now the winner I think should be next in line for a one thirty five pound title shot. Let's see what Marlin thinks about this whole situation. I'm curious to get his thoughts. He joins us now via the magic of Skype. Marlin how're you on very good man that talk with you. As always, by the way. How how's the newborn doing carrot good, man? He's doing amazing in everything's great. My house. How's the sleeping? It's good. My wife was taking care of this bar. Okay. Good. So you have this fight coming up in less than two weeks. February second to be exact in fourteen when you leave for Brazil. We are living Saturday, and and we're gonna get there Sunday, you know, just to get everything is it's a little bit hot out there. We just wanna make sure well prepare how far away did you grow up from fort Eliza flowers plane, I'm from the mountains where the Genego in a little bit far. But we're going to have some people go out there and make some noise. I like it now for those that don't know like four two laser what what kind of a place is it what is it like over? There is the jungles it more city. I'm not north north east a good. Dow, you know, it place a lot of people go there for vacation in a lot of people if people from Brazil, listen the show now, and they're going to be there. They should go. It's amazing CD in the show's going to be amazing console. Did you watch the main event on Saturday? All yeah. Yeah. Oh, actually, I believe you were supposed to go. But then the snow situation, it was a bit messy. So you decided to stay at home. I'm not used to with this. And I was scared to drive out there in I ended up not going, but I watch on TV in in that like it was a good buy. It was picked by. And then I just feel a little bit embarrassed, you know, Brown being thirty five heavy our champion going down losing it'll while so you actually felt embarrassed that he only lasted thirty two seconds. That was the feeling. Yeah. Because I'm thirty five rhythm. He's going down representing us in and he lost, you know. And I have a lot of friends under twenty five pound one hundred twenty five pounds division should stick around in. They have a lot of guys. You know? I think Henry he he's bought in. He was there representing all these guys knowing I think, I I wasn't happy, you know, because I'm head when win, and I I love to watch those good fighters fighting, but I I was scouted cheering for Harry win you're cheering for Henry. I'm surprised I thought maybe you cheer for your champion to win. So it strengthens the division yet. But he's going down, you know, he had planted planet challengers. I think on the hundred thirty five in he went out. He went to take what straw somebody else in. It didn't get it. Does this make things 'cause now you're starting to hear? Okay. Henry saying he wants to move up to one thirty five TJ said he wants to go. Oh, back down to one hundred five to get a rematch. Does this make you a little anxious that even if you do in on February second there's going to be more drama that you won't get your title shot? Man. I have a fight ahead of me Rafaelson's craft guy with before in I'm focused on go out there and put the best performance ever had. You know, this is my main goal go out there for form beat the best guy. You guys ever seen in after that? We will see what happened. You know? I think me in buffalo you out with a boat there for the title shot in the let's see after the fight which serves who's gonna get it. What you make of TJ saying again that he wants to do this again. I want twenty five. May I think you should FOX on his own division? You know, FOX on one hundred thirty five a lot of guys, you know, be Rafael Rivera. I'm Starling yours even Corey Dominick Cruz guys man Lineker, many guys many guys many challenges. I eat it can prove himself on this division. Not cutting like excellent bounds on not looking good. You know, like just be healthy to what you always been doing. I think he got planned out here. Do feel like as champion. You almost have an obligation. You know, the the belt doesn't give you that ticket to go up down. Do whatever you want that you have to kind of return the favor and defend the title. Because ultimately when you were coming up you're hoping that the champion was going to do the same. Yeah. If he was going one forty five. That's okay. But you went down you went down one twenty five didn't go off. So in before even when you're saying, you're right about go. What you don't even got the first step in your ready thinking of second one. You know, it's hard. You know, this this sports getting hard. Everybody's good. Everybody's getting read is a matter of one. You know, when you a lot of more way which yourself praises scenarios. You know, it's it's risk. Big risk. You know, what did you think of the stoppage, by the way? I think he that was just the beginning of the end. You know, I think the browser e want just perfect him. Okay. So you had no problem with it. No. I think I think Harry was was there. You know? He was Brockett in area was just gonna keep Bosh. Okay. So you're getting an opportunity to fight a son. So again, I know that when we spoke last time you're a little bit frustrated because you didn't have your fight yet. And you're trying to figure out. Okay. Where do I stand? You're campaigning for title shot. It didn't happen because of TJ going down in the end with them giving you a son sound that opportunity to events that very close fight that you had against them a couple years ago. Were you happy with this? Did you feel like okay? Yes. Yeah. I'm very happy. Big fight bigger tunic, you know, and I just gotta go out dead and put on the show, but what I love, and what have been doing everything training in you guys gonna see very good fight. Have you watched that fight the first fight? And we're looking at some highlights we watch couple times. And I wasn't there. The most important in. I was in. I felt in that, you know. So we ready, man. We'd ready to go out there and take when you watch that fight do still feel like you want. I can say that you know. I just right buying ways that the the judge gave to him, you know, in when I find those ways I I have to give him the victory as you want. But let's go, man. Let's let's do everything different this time in and Victoria's. So since then you've won three fights in the UCLA. You had a split decision win. And then you're to finishes and very impressive finishes afterwards. Do you feel like those are result of now may be being a little more comfortable in the octagon? Dana white in the past has talked about the gun jitters and things like that you Chuck your performance against the sun cell to that to your debut a lot on the line different stage cetera. No excuse, man. Assigns the fight there. You know, it's not easy to bit in. I just went there in and I I pushed myself, you know, I just didn't execute again bland whale. And now, I'm well. Prepare like been harder. And I think we're going to go out there, and we're going to perform result's gonna be a Victor to the best of my knowledge. You have one other rematch on your resume that was against Josh hill. Right. Do you have another one? I think that was the only one here is there something different about fighting someone in that particular case you beat him twice. But just the experience of being in there with someone a second time. Is there something different for you? Does it does it help you as a competitor? Did you like that? Like, you know, it's kind of deja out imagine transfer degree fights the fight, you know, all the same rain gauge in St. how you gonna feel that that Bali, you know, but it's always good to be in there with somebody been before, you know, you know, little bit. But people just get better everyday. You know, you can never expect some fight the next night. You know, we always change in. I feel better now in I'm ready man, ready to get this people have a hard time with a son. So even TJ has a loss against them. He he's he's a tough guy. He's a grinder what lessons did you learn from that I fight against him that you hope to. To maybe do or not do in the second fight got a fight. You know, gotta fight more be me the faster and in win the fight. You know, it's no secret. Not just getting there and be better than than roughly out. Boonies everywhere when you say got a fight like did you feel like maybe you are tentative in the obviously the fight? But what do you mean by that? It's nuts. You know, like say, I was standing that was nervous. You know, you just you just got up perform doesn't matter doesn't matter if you did this lip good. If you you ate in your feel sick, you can have to fight. Anyway. In doesn't matter, you know, with us. That's just gotta get in there and be the best best. You are every day. Is he one of the more frustrating fighters that you find in the past now now offer stay, okay? Because I know people have a hard time figuring out. He's very tough. He's very durable. I know that you are with him in Fortaleza. Right. Didn't you guys do media tour over there recently? Yes with it. What was that like to be around him? Not no problem at all. You know, and he's a fighter you want. He wants to win. I wanna win I respect him affected cheese team, Hispanic. But February second it's about me. You know, I gotta get in that. I gotta win the fight any interactions with them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got no problem roughly out in just wanna win the fight and doesn't matter. I notice that you call them rough AL, but isn't it hot fail in Portuguese? Or I think they my name my son's name many times. And I think this is why said Rafael. Oh is that your son's name Rafael? Yeah. Oh, wow. But you call them roughly half AL. Me. I don't know. I just I just son. Because I because in Portuguese for those that don't know the are is it's more of an H hoist. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Feel digital he'll dish or not real digital. Yeah. These are things that have learned. Do you feel Marlin like you need to have a spectacular finish? Like the Datsun excuse me. Like the sterling fight like the gym. You're verified to really cement your place like a win isn't enough. Here. You have to have a spectacular finish to feel that way. And just have to me. It just have to be me. And who every day in the end the fight everybody gonna see in. I'm gonna win and I'm gonna I'm gonna get what one, you know. It's it. But you know, as well as I do Marlin that just a victory. You know, you know, this game. It's it's it's a lot of politics. A lot of entertain ws don't count as much right? You have to do spectacular things to get title shot. These days. Man. We're never know. I got a win his tough guy Brahms anything. And the only thing I can promise you guys gonna see me living the best. I have all have. Red second anyone told you yet? What's on the line? Has anyone told you that if you do win this you will get a title shot? Thinks change everyday in this business brain up on you know, we never know. And we just got the time timing know, go out there win whatever comes after comes after. And how about you headlining over legend Josie Aldo? That's a huge honor. Right. You're at the tone. Yeah. The flag. I think I think is a lot on the line to you know. And I don't know if he wants to headline the show, but me and ROY Moore need as a song. It's a pleasure. He had lining discarded the fights going to be great one hundred percent. I'm looking forward to Marlin best of luck to on February second that's in two weeks. And that's on ESPN. Plus did you watch on ESPN plus on Saturday? Did you use the was good? Yeah. Very good. You like to know problems. Right. No problem metal. You were one of many who signed up over five hundred thousand Marlin and all be watching you February second for let let's keep signing. Guys. Let's bring down up in. Let's let's watch the show is gonna be a great. Show February second that's road is some I'll do in Mike Arnaud. I think for the best forty five. That's right. All we lost them there. But I think he was trying to sell us the card, and it was. Marlin. We did we lose your back. He were saying what more is kind of out of for the best Brazilians out there. Right. Elliot's fighters in the world, you know, and the thirty five forty five I have to say this card flying into the radar Damian my on the card as well. Charles Oliveira on the card as well. Johnny Walker who's coming up Livia not Sousa on the car. There's a lot to like on this one. If you're a Brazilian fan and MMA fan in general, it's all headlined by Marla, Mariah versus how Marlin all the best. You good luck. Safe travels looking forward to it. Thank you. Thank you. All right. There is Marlin rice big fight for him on February second in Fortaleza, Brazil. Yeah. Like, I said a lot of attention has been as of late onto thirty two. Of course on the debut, January nineteenth in Brooklyn. This is the next one as far as big as concerned this weekend. We have the finals of the bell to our heavyweight grand prix funeral millionaire co against Ryan Bater for the heavyweight strap the debut of Jake Hager, you've got Aaron PICO on the card AJ is armed debut as well. But as far as you have seized concern, the following week, February second is that card and look at this main card, a son summarize, although McConnell, Damian Maya versus Lyman good, Charles L, VERA versus David taymor. Which is a great fight. Johnny Walker against Justin the debt and Livia not to Sousa against. Sarah. Not bad not bad at all Tagore Alvis is on the the prelims against max Griffin junior beanie Ricardo romo's. So yeah, there's a lot to like there. And to the best of my knowledge. This is actually a short. I think it's nine PM start for the main car, and you're gonna be seeing this a lot by the way. I know the first one was a ten pm start on ESPN. Plus, but trust me when I tell you I've seen a lot of the start times and times, and they're not all going to be this late. A lot of them are going to start earlier and earlier so the complaints that you had and I think you saw a little bit of that as far as pacing is concerned on Saturday when it comes to these ESPN, plus cards. They have listened to our complaints. They have listened or the powerbrokers if you will have listened to what we have had to say about the cards dragging on. And I think we're going to start to see a lot of changes there. So stay tuned for that. All right. Let's go back to Brooklyn and talk about one of the big stories coming out of that card. Dennis Bermudez veteran of the ultimate fighting championship. With a big win over t Edwards. And of course, a local fighter New Yorker from Long Island. A gritty win a tough one dominant win over t Edwards in front of his people. And then right after the fight. He's talking to John. He got on the Mike, and he had this to say take a listen is this your final flight. Yeah. Mandates. It is. It's pretty awesome. Two. New york. And go about hang up after those four was that row. And I want my kids look back at this. And even know I went through adversity finished top what a beautiful moment there in. You're seeing Dennis Bermudez, take the gloves. That is customary. You see that in in wrestling as well. Take off the shoes leave him on the mat? This is something that's become tradition in our sport. Take off the gloves leave them in the center of the cage. So Dennis Bermuda's retiring. And now it is an honor to be talking to the medicine self who is coming off. What a great moment that was Saturday night at Barclay center. Dennis. How are you? Where are you? I just finished doing UFC filter. Okay. Oh, that's one of my favorite shows. You have filtered with Matt Serra? Yes. Well, congratulations on a great moment Saturday night. Were you expecting that win or lose that you're gonna that you were going to retire, regardless of the outcome? The only way I wasn't going to retire finish them in the first round. You know, what do you mean by that? If I if I went out of the fight. I've nothing hurt. I can do another quick turnaround fight like in a month. Okay. So once you got into the second round you set yourself. All right. Whatever happens here. I'm done. Yeah. Okay. But isn't that why does it all hinge on your performance in in one round? There. There was a second in the fight where t hooked up in a hippie, pretty hard and. For a little bit. I was like him. Writes this white hit. But let like I don't feel like being paid this sucks. You know, and. The fact that I had that little special myself is it's not what I want, you know, and as a younger fighter, I would have never ever thought of that, you know, that would never ever crossed my mind. How long had you been thinking of this that this could potentially be your last fight? I made with the losses with each loss at like got even more and more real that. I would you know, retire and after the age of thirty I felt like my body wasn't recovering with Yuzu in it hurt to go to the bathroom in the morning because I was so sore from from threatening so hard, you know. You had those three controversial close fights. But decision losses coming into this fight. After the Rick Glenn one. Did you consider? You know, what I'm tired of this? This is annoying getting my heartbroken here. Like, did you consider? Maybe even that being your last fight. Yeah. Go into the Rick Glenn fight. I told myself by lost that was going to retire. After the third round. I really feel I one and I was getting ready for the decision that I didn't win. And I went back my own that man, I'm done not doing this anymore. I'm not letting a judge that doesn't know what is looking at money out of my kids now. Okay. So how'd you go from that to then deciding to come back? I sat around my house for, you know, maybe two months playing video games on twitch and stuff like that. And they would YouTube. It wasn't prevailing. You know? It wasn't the was the cut it for me. I was eight a little bit of weight. So I started working out this the. Who? Start feel better about myself and. Broke up my girlfriend now is like the the thing that was like you're gonna fight again. You gotta fight again. Get approved yourself right now. I'm sorry to hear that. So doggone it is. It is a part of life. Unfortunately, did you talk through coaches about it. And did they try to convince you otherwise? Thing is is with my last three losses. It wasn't like I got my bucket. I got out gun. You know, I was in a win it at this wasn't in my favor. You know? So with that being said there like we know you can get in there and win. Okay. So they were behind you. But you moved up to one fifty five was that part of the deal. Like, hey, maybe I don't have to cut all this weight. And just go in there and take a fight and feel better. Yeah. I what I do all my testing and stuff like that for house strong. I am how fast I am. I weigh about one sixty five low sixties, so cutting another twenty pounds of up that I feel like deathly hindered. My ability to be an animal, you know, and going down home forty five definitely zaps. Okay. So you win the fight. You feel good. I'm sure you feel good at one fifty five. Right. Not having to cut the after ten. Yeah. I felt better for sure. Okay. Better. Who's to say that in two months, you're not sitting at home. It's I want to do another one. Do you feel that could be a thing? It could. But I highly doubt it I looking to get a real job now with benefits and pension because today, I don't wanna be sixty five seven years old and drooling hanging out my grandkid, right? Do you have your eye on a particular industry particular world that you want to work in? I'm kind of pursuing trying to become a lineman actually a lineman. Yeah. What is that? If your power goes out, they come and fix it. Make sure the metropoles are are working like that. Okay. I thought you meant like a NFL linemen. Like one of those guys love that. Why why that particular line of work? They're kind of like power raiders of electric. Yes. You know, your power goes out you show up the fix it. Your your God for that? You know hour long it takes. Yeah. Your savior and sometimes work under pretty extreme conditions, right? Usually when the power goes out bad things are happening outside. Yeah. That's true. As and who better than someone that fights people for a living. Yeah. I like it is this something that you've thought about for a while. Like why that? I have a few friends that are live and enjoy it. You know, they like it as very well. It's a little dangerous live on the wild side, though. Do you have to go to school for something? Like that. Yeah. I'm working to become an apprentice. Wow. Okay. So this is something you've been thinking about for a bit. Well, it's it's been in the works. And and I thought it was gonna be like, hey, we'll see up Monday with like, hey, we'll see him for months. And I was like, hey, I can do it for months. Bright white camp. That's right. So get one under your belt get paid. And then you could go back to that. Go go into the working world with a nice cushion. Did you tell the you see this did they know or was a complete surprise? No. All right. What are they need to know? Right. Do you have any fights left on your contract? I asked better that he said he had look at to it. I don't think. So I think I rea- the contract after the green zombie fight. Okay. All right did Anik. No. Did you tell them? Did you give them a heads up? Because it seemed like he was kind of setting you up for that. I had hinted in a few interviews that they might be my last one. Okay. All right. So that's why he had the permission to ask you about it, you, obviously we're getting emotional where you expecting that. They've oceans, no. That was like this. They could go or something like that. I just got all I got hooked up is is that common for you. Or were you shocked, and you got really I actually like pretty unemotional. Wow. Why do you think you got so emotional? It got really real. Yeah. Did and the crowd loved it. Yeah. You also mentioned I think you're you said is is battling cancer. He's battling cancer. And. I wanted that was like a big reason I really wanted to win. This fight is the dedicate the him, and and the proof to him that uh communities boys more count it out or things are that. We don't give up with finish on top. How's he doing now? I haven't spoken to him yet. What I want to write. He's he's. I guess like men away in terms of. He thinks positive, and and you know, ask them how you feel. It's like. Already like. The gating that you know, he's not doing. Well. You know? So I give them a call. And just hey, what's up man fight? Right. Do you think he was watching? Yeah. You know, he was watching pretty positive. Okay. Wow. It was beautiful. What you said. And I think the message that you said was great. And you've always been that kind of gritty fighter. You've always been that guy who doesn't give up. So I thought that it kind of represented who you are as a fighter you've had some great moments. Great fights in the octagon is there one. Now that sticks out. Do you think that you have one favor? One that you'll be telling your kids about your grandkids about it will be that Nak Bryce by the macro. That was the one that I thought that you were going to say, that's the that's the one right? Yeah. Because I was I was down and out. He almost knocked me clean out. And I figured a way how to come back. And and I remember after the fight ended. This being really out of gas. You know, like, I left it all in there. Do you still have a relationship with Matt? Yeah. He was actually liking all of my stuff at reposting it on Facebook leading up to the fight. And I thought that really man I remember when I thought that he was in the crowd, and I went up to I I gave a halt before the affect on it like really fired me up. Of course, he's had a hard time car accident. But now seems to be doing better and moving on with his life. So I I love the bond that you to have created after being in there together, you walkaway do you have any regrets? No. And that's that's a really good feeling. You know, I did everything the right way. And I always tried my hardest. I mean if I have one regret back. Let Llamas dopey completely out. That's the one I guess because I I really felt after I tapped quit. So you don't feel you know, I thought maybe you'd say I didn't fight for belt Ida win a belt. It's just the fact that you tapped out that bothers you. I mean I wanted to. But it was never never happened. You know, so I can't I can't control that. But what's the big deal about tapping? Whitting? Yeah. You know, I think to fans of that like when Connor tapped and high home didn't they were like, all you home is an animal. Okay. Is that the only time in your entire career that you tapped? Tapped to tires. Okay. It's not a big deal. I would about the break. Right. Okay. And the other one I didn't know if I was gonna get paid for the fight. So I didn't wanna take it down. Which was that the shine fights. Oh, man. I remember that. Did you end up getting? Yes. Okay. Well, so that actually. Crossed her mind in the midst of the fight as your as you're in it all your thinking while I might not get paid to why actually go through with this. Yeah. Dan, 'cause they pay the guys will ask fight. Okay. And it was actually my first loss. And I thought about retired right there. Really? Yeah. House. A who's the guy that not that much Tra? Ju Fiqh it. Yes, drew Fiqh. It was my first loss at one fifty five. Wow. Okay. So that was that was a car that you fought twice. I remember that vividly twice. You lost him. You thought about not coming back back then how long ago was that. That was like it was like ten years eight nine years ago, right? Yeah. Why did you think that after one loss? Yeah. Because I had never lost. You didn't like the feeling awful who convince you to stay. Nobody I was just like being a baby. Yeah. Because that was your eight pro fight, and you made it all the way to twenty six. Yeah. Wow. Not a bad run twice excites. Seventeen and nine isn't that nuts? Am I reading react seventeen to nine? Yeah. Right. Is there one guy that you wish you could have fought? I wanted to fight BJ Penn. When I was when I was younger. I'd be pen was killing everybody before I'd go out by I would envision that was getting ready to fight diktats, really always. Because I thought I could be him. And I thought beach had what assassinate was going against and though do feel in hindsight. Jewish state at one fifty five. Like where the way cuts too much. Yeah. I think so I. Was like I said I would seven point at one fifty five. And the only reason I went down to forty five because the people that were asking the ultra fighter essentially told me that I was small the fight one one fifty five. Really? Yeah. They didn't cast for the first ova fight. I think season twelve and then the fourteen came around, and I asked them if I didn't have through the try outs. I come directly to the finals for the interview said, yes. And I knew I get quicker. If I did that than if I waited until the next one fifty five. Fighter. Okay. Wow. That's crazy. So those producers kind of change the course of your career. Yeah. And I did very well there, and I was like thought broken don't fix it. Right. Are you going to remain in the sport? Like, do you think you'll be around the gym coach, or do you think that the? I I have to you know, otherwise, I'll get fat. But I mean one thing to do it for yourself. But do you think that you'll do some coaching bring fighters up help them out? Do you wanna do that? That's that's that's something. That was that's very big in the. Wrestling community is you give back to the generation below. You're ok is there someone at the gym now that you're excited about that. We should keep our on. There's this kid Ashiq agent who's one thirty five or sometimes I'll I'll last this kit. In my head and should be dead. And I told the go back no hit with three piece did night. I thought it was killed you. How are you hitting it while his native all the right things, and it's pretty tough. So what's his name Ashiq Ashiq agent? Wow. Where's he from? I think it he he travels from queens everyday to Long Island just to train with you guys yet the fact that this fight was on Long Island in New York in Brooklyn, you're from Long Island, very close by Brooklyn. Log islands not for those that don't know. It's not that far of a trip to that. Kind of help the decision is just perfect to get for the longest time. You couldn't fight in your home state. Now, you get to to that kind of help you say, this is the perfect way to say goodbye. As I was retiring. I was like, wow. Meant New York. This is this is what I should do it. It makes sense, you know, and I helped with all the the process of getting MA legalize in New York. So it's it was pretty cool to retire here as well. What happens to the gloves, by the way that anyone anyone grab those what happens to those? When you leave him in the cage, you got back. Yeah. How'd you do that? Other brought back to lock. Okay. So it's all for show. Right. Yeah. And it was cool to see you in the crowd afterwards that a lot of people recognize you're kind of hanging out because your manager Ryan Parsons also works with jail. Who's on our say, you don't often see the fighters two hours after their fight just walking. Amidst. The people were you showered with love to the Brooklyn people recognize you when you weren't wearing your your fight stuff. Yeah. It was really cool, man. That's great. I'm happy for you. So next for you. What's act? So next up you start focusing on being a lineman. Yeah. And my kids and a good father. That's right. How many do you have now two boys two boys? What about trying to get back into the Guinness Book of world records something else on your mind last time? It was what the lemon juice. Yeah. Yeah. We. We. Game with that. Okay. All right. Well, we'll look out for that. Who's that screaming full records to they go who's back there talking? Oh, I don't know. I'm in this office building. It's eight degrees. All right. Well, I'll let you be Dennis thanks for doing this. I appreciate it very much. Guys. Congratulations on a great career. Hey area. We have you on my podcast anytime. I man it's called medicine. The man. Okay. I look forward to it. You know, how to reach out to me, we got it. All right. There is Dennis Bermudez. He walks away from the U of C walks away from the sport with a seventeen nine pro record. He defeats t Edwards. Vienna. Sison some big winds throughout his career gets Jason, of course. Tatsu Lia Kojiri the big win over clay Guido was a really impressive one. There was a period there in the U of see where he went on a really impressive winning streak gets public Garza. Tommy Hayden Mack rice, one of the best fights of that particular year two thousand thirteen I remember that was one seventy excuse me. One fifty seven the same card as Rhonda Rousey vs list, car moosh. And of course. Am I kinda stole the show and less? We forget has a win over max. Hallway split decision win over max hallway, perhaps the most high profile three on his record young max hallway, but still nonetheless a very impressive win for him split decision. Steven Siler, Jimmy head is clay Guido. So it all was going really well until he met Ricardo lamas, and he talked about that fight. He was submitted figgy teen show lost Jeremy Stevens got back on track against Jason Kao, Jerry. But overall a very solid career for one Dennis Bermudez. He walks away at just thirty two years young and says goodbye on Saturday night after defeating. T edwards. In a few minutes in like five minutes. We're going to be joined by one T J dillashaw Lasca said the day perfect way to end the show, and it's been a really fun show. I appreciate everyone who has stopped by dillashaw went down to one twenty five. There was all that talk about would he make weight? And if he did make the wait how would he look he ended up making the way not only did he make the weight? He was the first guy on Friday morning to step foot on the scale nine AM. He was there early step foot. Look good didn't seem to be in the worst shape possible. I mean like a lot of people were expecting a skeleton out. There was not the case. In fact, you can still see it. Now, if you're about the process over on ESPN dot com slash Emma. May there's a great photo essay about his entire processes coach doing Ludwig, his manager Tiki golsen told me time, and again that this wasn't something that was going to happen on fight week. This was a twelve week thing that by the time they got to. Klin the way in was or the white cut. I should say it was done. They figured it out. They had it all done breath Okamoto tweeting out a whole like scientific formula that they had on how to do this the right way. And they did it the right way. And when you consider the dedication twelve week process forget about history, and all that just the actual mental dedication that. You have to put in place to do something like this when you're that shred at one thirty five to go down to one twenty five and look like that and try to perform at the same level. You understand why he is so frustrated you understand why he is so upset thirty two seconds that has to be one of the most unfulfilling feelings of his life. Think about that. If it's a twenty five minute fight, and it's close and it ends in controversial fashions until you don't get the nut. You know? That's that's a hard pill to swallow. But I would argue I'm gonna ask him this. Thirty seconds is even harder because you're. So far it up you put in so much, and it all ends in the blink of an eye thirty two seconds. That's tough. But you know, it's a funny thing because Marl Mariah said this. He said that he was embarrassed for the division embarrassed for TJ because he lost that way. I would argue that in fact, and I've seen some other people say like what do you do now with that division the one thirty five division because the one thirty five pound champion just went down to one twenty five and laws and lost that quickly. I would actually argue that this was the best thing for the one thirty five pounds of vision. The one the fact that the champion went down and lost in controversial fashion. It was so quick. And it was so flash that you could say all right. Look, I didn't get smoked. I didn't get dominated. I didn't get roughed up. It was a freak thing. No skin off my back. So in a weird way by almost feel like it was. In a situation if he had to lose. That was actually the best possible way. And you see the belt right over there. What do we say about this bell? What is wrong with all? You people? You guys all worked up about this belt? I told all the time that. I like the drama too much that I talk about everything. But the fighting the story lines the ancillary things, you guys tell me this all the time. And then I saw the belt. I was like, yeah. It's a nice belt. It's not bad. There's some flags there. There's some rubies. It's redesigned. But at the century, the same thing, and I can't believe someone told me that that was my third most liked. Instagram post of all time. And I don't know if everyone likes it because they approve of it. But the comets weren't saying a lot of fighters weighing in Luke Rockall asking if Reebok designed it a lot of fun is weighing in a lot of talking about everyone up in arms. My whole Twitter feed on Friday was all about the belt. All you cared about was the belt. Who cares? It's about. Okay, fine. You people are so against say you people, but it seems like the majority of the vents on Twitter, and I know that the vocal minority, and I know you shouldn't put too much stock at everyone wants to complain about everything this doesn't work that doesn't work. I don't like change we move over here this show, that's kind of those YouTube FIBA everyone's complaining about everything. It's a freaking belt guys. Come on get a grip. I could not believe the a. Engagement that picture created and be the negativity. I look as you know, I do not shy away from being negative when when it's appropriate. We'll just put it that way in this particular case, I don't think that there was any reason to be negative. It's a fine belt calmed down chill out. Even Henry I meant to hold it said, it's not bad everyone. Just relax. It's really not that bad. I couldn't believe it really couldn't have. Just about. It's actually not that bad. There's the flags while the first eight or so champions wherever they come from Canada. There. There's Ireland there everyone just chill out. All right. So in a matter of seconds. We're going to be joined by TJ dillashaw. He is going to be joining us on the phone. We'll talk to him and they will wrap up a very busy weekend. And of course. The train moves along because bell tour has their big show this weekend in Inglewood, California against Ryan bidder. But first, let's say Hello to our last guest of the day. The man who attempted to go down from one thirty five to twenty five the reigning defending bantamweight champion T J dillashaw who I'm sure isn't in the best of moods on this Monday afternoon slash morning. But I do appreciate him stopping by. It means a lot to TJ. How are you? Dinner, right, man. How are you? I'm doing good. Thanks for doing this. I heard you laugh there is that accurate. Are you still pretty fired up over what happened on Saturday? Yeah. Man. It definitely unfortunate. It's kind of bug me for a little bit. You know, but that's gonna give it back in the gym train them on. He's got that fire that you know. Okay. So I'm assuming I mean such a short fight. You've watched it. Right. You've watched it again. I haven't got watched it by some highlights on TV are not TV on my phone. Sorry. Okay. You were very adamant that you disagreed with the stoppage. Do you still feel the same way? Yeah. Why do you think? Yeah. Man book. I mean, look I need to congratulate pseudo man, great work, and I'm sure he put as much work in this camp as I did I don't wanna take anything away from that. You know? But the stoppage was controversial we need to do again. And of course. Yeah. I wanna do it at one twenty five, but I'll do it where do whatever way. 'cause I mean, like it's not all fight among twenty five thirty five bells on I don't even care just want that fight back, man. In the moment. And I know a lot is going on there. Did you ever feel out? Did you ever feel like you are truly rock? No, man. My equilibrium. My equilibrium was gone. No the glancing right hand to the back of the head. You know, he I went for a overhand right duct. It showed me to the ground. I stood up blocked. His kick. Anyone go through a right hand. I did my head down the duck underneath it. And it glance me in the back of the head and of those shots. Just like, they take your balance the way, you know. And you're there one hundred percent. I remember, I don't even know who that ref is remember that rest saying show me some dillashaw show me something that I'm okay, I'm okay? And we're in a wrestling scramble, and the next thing next thing is he jumps on me as I'm you know, trying to get into another single egg. And I know who was on me, but we're in a complete wrestling scramble, and I'm not taking damage. You know, I I didn't get hit. But after watch it replaced with the left took but other than that. Although other punches throwing weren't really doing anything. You know, it was I was I was. Aware just like defending trying to scramble, you know, wasn't like I was laying on my back getting hammered fisted and getting they my brain bashing was in a scramble when you say back of the head. Are you saying that it was legal? No on your I I my head. Okay. Okay. I would I went to go all the punch, and it's one of those ones that you hit behind the ear or the back of the head. Those are the ones that kinda like take your leg up money here. Little bit your hundred percent there. But just a almost like. Yeah. Beer, goggles on that. I have another girl man pushing on me and trying to hit me the obvious obviously hard to get back to your feet. You know, like, you know, a couple of single eggs. And then I was hitting the switch at the last minute that rest jumped on the unfortunate. What is going through your mind when he stops the fight? Oh, I instantly stood up in question. Like a year of you can't even you know. Like, you gotta let you fight. And I mean, that's that's what makes me exciting fighter. You know? I take Riskin. I go for you know, I'm willing to slugfest. I'd take punching to give punches live by the sword. Die by the sword. Man. But I've earned the right to fight until I can't physically go anymore. And I would take him for me Saturday night and needs to be made. Right. I run the back. So I I mentioned this while we were waiting to connect with you. I can't imagine a more unfulfilling frustrating feeling. I would imagine a twenty five round fight where you're robbed of victory is split decision. Probably feels better than this because it's just lasted thirty seconds after twelve week camp, you cut all that weight. This must feel would you would you agree with that? Does it? I mean, only you would know. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Hundred percent, obviously, I've I've had a couple of situations where like crucified island bug me. No because I was a split pigeon loss, and my belt whatever about that was talked. But this is. By far away. Worse. You know, the amount of work that I put into it. You know me knowing that sounds generic and see with me, knowing I'm the better fighter. You know? Even though we just bought I'm coming out with the loss. But yeah, man, it's definitely a lot tougher to swallow because I didn't get that chance to prove that how good I felt that one twenty five I demand awake cut. I felt really really good. I walked in there too. That by feeling like I better than I thought that one thirty five I felt really good. I have no pieces of not going up and get victory. I felt physically fine. I felt great. I was wondering again your answer. Just they're probably refutes this. But sometimes when you see someone cut too much weight, it's harder for them to take a punch. You're not shocking. Any of this up to the way cut? Right. Not at all, man. They he'd be. I mean, I feel great. I feel awesome. What like I said. It was the back of the back of the head and whatnot. Saying is nothing. Illegal by 'cause runner feet. I'm moving my head. I didn't move my head enough. And I got a gunshot kinda like when came Blazquez and those. No, I scarred. JD f we got hit in the back of that kind of thing man, just like takes your leg Doppler, and you're still you're still there when I saw John Dobson kind of thing. Like, I hit the behind the year, and it's you're still there. But I just takes your feet off. When issue, you know. And obviously, we're we're fast guys in jumping on me. But just give me that chance. I feel like I've earned that chance. 'specially being a champion champion champ only. This is an amateur fight at fairgrounds. You know, like this is some guys just start. Now. This is a lot on the line. Fight is very big chambres champ fight we proven that. I can go down to one twenty five nine at work that I put in just to have that referee national coin pockets pretty phases. Did he say anything to afterwards the rats? Yeah. So no, no. No, no. And so okay. So at this juncture, you you go through that. And I remember you saying I think it was two Antic on Friday. You are actually surprised you actually were surprised at how you felt and looked and the whole process is that accurate. Can I ask you what what surprised you about? It. Did you think it would be a lot more hellacious to get down there? Tougher. I knew that I'd be able to do it especially with the likes of same Vida, my corner and him being so smart and tell me that I can do it. You know, give me that confidence. But too. I mean, I had such a good can't do. I didn't have any injuries going into the fight. It almost went everything almost went to to you know, the Waco went well the camp went, well, all my sparring was going great. It was almost too good to be true. It was you know, what it meant to be. Whatever reason wasn't meant to be a mom told me things happen for reason. And for whatever reason is point in a direction that I guess I'm gonna have to figure out because everything was perfect. That's great. I mean, I was happy in the back. I was having fun. Like do. I I could get tired in the warm up. I I I mean, obviously, my was insane from that put the away. But I I couldn't even couldn't even get tired warmer up in the back. I was ready for that. Rounder. Anything surprise you about Henry he told me earlier that part of his game plan was to come out you aggressively come at you, very fast. Were you expecting that out of him? And everything else surprise you about that very short performance from him. I actually kind of spread the you know, that he came because he doesn't fight that way and Trudeau's AM. You know, I I wish I got the continue bikes that have been great to that. But yeah, he came out little more aggressive actually, a lot more aggressive usually like has that Christ answer like the backup runaway scared to engage, but he came out going to blazing through that. Right kick, and they didn't land right hand, wrapped beginning to you know, I all I really throws a too late kicks and misnomer hand and got shoved the remember remember the fight perfect in which obviously only thirty seconds over to right hand usually backs up and get it and show me the ground blocks kick on the way up and then Glanton shots at the back of the head just into offer a second. But yemen. What was it like that stage when you go back to the locker room? Obviously, I was serious. You know, I let I mean. Let's just be honest. I've never said that I wasn't a sore. Loser. Still I I don't I don't take losing very well. You know, it's not a father against about the ad. I let my motions get the best me. That's why I'm so competitive. That's why I am who I am. You know, why? Two hours into the gym in train is harder. Do even practice. I get pissed when I was you know, and I've I've been known for that my motions that the best needs. So yeah, obviously, I was serious. You know? I was I mean thirty second fight when I know that I'm the better fighter. Inch. Just it's up this wall of, you know, and if anybody's been in my situation or just pleading general, you know, you know, what that's like. And and and look I wanna be I wanna be here graduating to person foremost wanna make sure that comes across because that is how I feel and I know we put in a bunch of work. I don't want to take away anything from his you know, or is activating when he's done. But obviously, I'm not gonna swallow them. Very well, it could tough one for me. And I was I was very pleased that especially when it have the doctors tell me it was an early stoppage. Dana white talking early stoppage. You got you know, it's just it man had another way the other way to really put it. You know, does does it soften the blow a little bit? The fact that you're still champion still have a belt. It's not too belts. But you're still champion that has to help a little bit, right? Not really. I mean, I I don't I don't say it's not about me have that belts about. Maybe the best man. I really do feel it. I can be the greatest of all time. I can't put it together. You know, something that can't string things on together. I had some big plans and things I wanted to do in. This was a a separate stone me to get there and and that was derailed. Now, if you have to take longer again, you know, same thing when I lost that loss against cruise. You know, something that's gonna have to take relaunch again, you know, just a little bit unfortunate situation. I mean. Yeah. I mean the belt belt. But I I'm looking leave the best house on fight in the war. I wasn't lying when I said that before the fight. That's my goals. I have long goes nuts it and now it's gonna take longer to get there. Are you referring to the idea of you moving up to forty five that was the plan that you wanted to go after thinking while I was yeah. I would love to obviously that's nowhere near you know, do that. Now until I can eventually this loss, you know, or. Who knows you know? Really just. Yeah. Sometimes definitely wanted to do man. It was did set up perfectly. Did you talk to Dana white after the fight? Yeah. I had a wide talked inside the cage, and you wanna thank me for obviously making the weight making this historic event happened and then on the way out 'cause I got out of the a pretty quick. I did my press conference. They might be about, you know, I didn't really obviously wanted to hang out. But on the way out. It's all doing interviews said, hey, man, we gotta run this back. You know, as I was hearing him doing talking about being an early stoppage yell at him on the way by like, I know kid, I know let's next couple of days. So he understands you know, having he's on the same page an easy ran back. You know, it's too much on the line five bigger than this the fight and everything was bigger than this loss. You know? I mean, Harry pseudo talking about saving division, and it's thought it was close story line. You know, I mean great for him that he did too. And and all the guys are backing him and doing that stuff. That's that's amazing. Right. But that story lines still there. And that that that message is still there there's nowhere. I don't know, man. Ran back in. My mind, you know, so so let's be very clear here because a lot of people. I think are listening to what you're saying. And want to know what exactly you want to do next? If it was up to you if Dana white called you what do you wanna do? What do you wanna do? Obviously, I'll take by wherever I'm open for whatever. 'cause that's the situation I'm in. But if it was up to me, I have to make the choice. Yeah. I'd find me one twenty five I'll make the way tomorrow. I don't even care want that fight. I wanna prove I wanna prove to work that I put in and the science behind my weight cut and everything that I've done is there. I put in like I said ton of work, and I just wanna build a show it I want I want that right to live and die by the sword. How much did you weigh on Saturday night? High forty high forties while closer to fifty. No, yeah. Yeah. I get closer to fifty than forty. And when you when thirty five how much you weigh same. How exactly wall? That's incredible. I'm how did you do that? The scientists Cal Vida in the way, my bodies respond the way cut I told you done for twelve weeks. It wasn't something that was done last minute. And my body was ready Zorba the diet that I was on was ready to you know, I was I was. You know, I was always blockage. In depleted. I was ready to absorb all them them cards and the body very soak it all up and. It's hard to explain it. All I'd have to Davidge down with Sam, Vida village. You know, like exactly how we're going to go down. He knew that. I was gonna walk into the cage. Exactly the same way. I fight on thirty five. Wow. Credit to Sam. That's incredible. And so from what I heard he does around the same way the guys the guys they use get to me. He looked great. I mean, he had a great camp. He's got good confidence. Gander right now. I'm having for the guy, you know, good for him. Doesn't mean I don't wanna beat them back. You know, I feel that by one hundred times that nine of them this. Fortunately that once one fight you disagree with that. So point of one of these fights like this, you know, and just curious to to figure out the math and all this like, obviously, you can't fight him tomorrow when twenty-five but just like how you wait now two days later. I'm saying I'm still high forty. Okay. All right. So it's like you ballooned up to like one sixty or so I'm not at all. I this. This is got me fired up. I'm ready to go whatever direction us down. So I don't wanna take any time off. I want to get after what if Dana says to look, you know, we did it. But we kind of have to keep the train moving at one thirty five. We want you to fight the winner of the Mariah sense fight. Because that seems to be a number one contender fight, even though they haven't said, it will you be disappointed will that not make you say you had big plans max Holloway. Double champ. All this stuff. Does that get you excited? I'll do need to do. You know what I mean? Like, I said this is this is de railed by mission. I'm gonna take it take longer now. Unfortunately at a lot of things set up, but I'll do whatever it takes. I'm not one that's going to shy away from any challenge. And I'm willing to work. So whatever take give back to why was that in and beyond in do. I wanna go is when I got to do. I mean, I'm in the vision that I gotta do what I gotta do. You know, I'm a hard working guy. And I hope everyone understands that. I don't wanna I don't know looking for looking pretty handouts a work my way to do whatever I need to do. And you know, it's interesting because you've talked about, okay? I wanna go down to one twenty five and rectified this. It's something that we heard, you know, the likes of kinda McGregor say, you know, Nate Diaz beat me at one seventy I wanna find him what seventy DC the same John Jones. So I understand your thought process. But Henry sing I wanna fight you again, I'll give you a chance. But I wanted to be at one thirty five that doesn't do the same thing for you. Right. That doesn't give you the same set. Faction. It's not as historic. So Henry at one thirty five probably doesn't mean as much to as Henry at one twenty five or is it just now trying to beat Henry, and it doesn't matter. What? What wait? I'm not gonna turn it down. You know what I mean? Like, that's definitely I said, I'm open for whatever obviously beating him is is is part of it through that. I'm obviously, the better fighter. But yeah, if I had the choice, it'd be at twenty five obviously makes makes sense for me. Obviously, you know. And then you got the guy you're talking about how he wants to good guy and depend the weight class. And now we've got that momentum to worry has done that you know, he's talking about how he wants to say the one twenty five hundred vision. But now, I want to leave it. You know, I feel like you did do the numbers on ESPN were fantastic. Looks like from what I've seen. Let's take great. I mean, that's a huge thing for the flyweight division. You know? So I guess there's one argument there that you you you ought to division continue save it. And and bring in these us, you know, I don't know, man. I said, I I'm not the one that gets choosed because I'm not one Torius. I'm the guy that's got the the law. So but let the Boston figure it out. And I'm I'm gonna be training all the writing direction. I know you said initially you're coming out to kill the flyweights. Would it be fair to say that now that it's over you don't want to see that happen? Man. It wasn't. I didn't. I didn't wanna I didn't wanna kill the fly with that was just so it's like everyone thinks I'm making decisions if I was making the that'd be getting paid a whole lot more money. Right. You know, like I'm just doing what what what is was rumor it wasn't even told the hundred percent wasn't like if this happens if I was gone. It was like that was a rumor people are getting cut if it were saying like, oh, we think is by happened. Like, oh to meet your Johnson's gone now they're going to get rid of the division. Like who's never ever said hundred percent. I was going to happen. That was just a storyline. And I ran with it, you know, to being like sure if that's what they wanna do that really was what they wanna do whatever, you know. But I didn't want them on. It wasn't like I was like, yes, we get rid of a bunch of jobs. You know, it was more of the fact that I wanted to be a double champ don't drop confrontation spot. You know, I wanted to have big goals, man. And that's all really came down to two last things again. I really appreciate the time. He said this twice and I'm wondering, and I thought your response was perfect. You didn't miss a beat? But I'm wondering if it bothered you at all when he talked about, hey, this guy couple years ago was a part of a union. And now he's talking about going down and killing divisions and things like that. Did you feel like that was a fair thing? Like, you feel like you're being painted with the wrong brush. Did you feel like that was that was a little bit too? You know? You know, a little too personal. How did you react to that? Because I thought you response was great on the stage but deep down to that bother. You know, didn't didn't bother me, man. You know, that was the rush hour pointed that was what I was told was right? You know, like your guided in directions that you don't know where you wanna be guided to you know, until. Until I talk about you know, really really it's just about. What's what's best for me to get my title shot at that time? And I thought that was it. Okay. And I and I appreciate you saying, hey, I'm a sore loser. I've never said I wasn't a sore loser. I there I know. But I feel like you've actually like when I said that you were going to be on the show. A lot of people are like oh TJ is gonna wind. I lost respect for like what is what did these people expand? I'm not saying this because you're here. I would say this. If you weren't you just went through a twelve week process that is almost like the closest to hell like to put your your body in life through your family through that. What do people expect you to do and say, I honestly feel like you've been you've been a little bit treated unfairly here in the aftermath like do people just want you to be like, no big deal. I'm just gonna move on. Like, of course, you're upset. Of course, you so I don't know if you've seen any of that. And that's why you said that. But I I just wanna say to feel like the reaction has been a little unfair. I want people to care. I want people to be upset especially when the fight. Ends like that. I mean, that's kind of my point. I have seen it. I mean, obviously, I understand. I mean, it's a little brook record. I was pissed when I lost to Cruz as well too. You know, and I was 'cause when I lost to essential both decision. So I mean, this is like the first time he's gonna hurt like porn me. I lost. But I did. I suck stance language. I worked my butt off. And I lost the fight that I don't like I should have. Obviously didn't go my way. And yeah, I'm gonna be disappointed in it. So when a I'm gonna talk about it. But I I don't give me famous playing with my brothers playing monopoly. I get pissed like it's uncompetitive. And that's why am where I'm at I competitive edge in my neatness, definitely got me really far. And I'm not gonna let go of. And now it just because you guys are free to hear about. No, I lied one last one what's the game plan? Now. Do you sit and talk to you see like how quickly do you want to return in a perfect world? It is I I'm at. I've no injury. Camp was awesome. I fought for thirty seconds. Plan is I wanna Archer lettuce fighting this weekend and LA I'll be up there cornering him. So I'm helping lose his way he's dropping out at one thirty five to forty five. You know, he's one of those guys does through Sam Vida had four four belt that I can't cage. So I'm going to be helping him out for his fight this weekend. I'm right back in the gym, man. Like, I said I'll fight to tomorrow at whatever weight costs. He wants I fired up. And I guess I was going to be a dangerous me. You know? I was already fired up already motivated, my wife, and we pissed 'cause she wants to go on vacation. But I'm gonna being, you know, so we'll see man. I mean, I appreciate everyone. Tune into watching us so cool to see the numbers of ESPN did. I've really unfortunate that I get to put on a bigger better shows, that's kind of fighter. I wanna be. I tried to be like I said, I live by this die. But or like being those slugfests I mean to man look at me getting dropped by Cody asserted a lot more than that by then it was this one and came back and knocked them out. You know, every time I've won my belt. I depended. I get the same exact guy. I'd be brow at independent against where. I'll be Kodiak affinity, Cody. I felt like I'm not someone reasonable. I just wanna get their employees that that wasn't right. That is a controversial decision. Congratulations, though. Big rate. Sure, you had awesome camp and Jewish is your team and your family. Enjoy this process. Enjoy this victory. But I can't wait to once again. Thanks for doing this job. I really appreciate it class stuff from you. Thank you for coming on. I'm sure you're not, you know, in the best mood to talk about it all, but I really appreciate the candor and your thoughts. So congrats on making it to one twenty five and doing what a lot of people didn't think you'd even be able to let alone. Whatever happened in the fight. That was in. Credible to watch and hopefully for your sake, you get what you want X. Really? Appreciate a man. And yeah, that's the fight game. We have the highest highs and the lowest lows, and you gotta learn to deal with them. So this is some I'm gonna have to deal with you know, I already have. But something I doing to deal with. Thank you TJ. Appreciate it. Of course, you have going to there is TJ Dilshad still the reigning defending. You have see bantamweight champion not the flyweight champion. But now it opens up a really interesting scenario for the you have C one last quick thing before we go didn't get to talk about it at length on this particular program. Definitely will as the week goes on Donald Sironi with a massive win over Alabama Hernandez calling out once again, kind of Gregor Connor seems interested. We'll see where they go from there. But that is a fight that is bigger than a title in many respects, in my opinion. That is a fight that I think you can headline of pay per view with and do over a million. I think buys so no post show this week. We do have a new show. Called the MA reporters that comes out every Wednesday evening on itunes, audio only for now, we'll talk a whole lot more about Brooklyn Bella tour this weekend, the winners coming out of this weekend, the Fortaleza card coming up a lot. It's kind of like my old show the may beat so look out for that that's Wednesday evenings, and then we'll have more about our future programming future. Things. I see all the questions. I see everyone asking me things. Don't worry as I told you from the beginning. I got you. Don't worry look at us. And by the way, ESPN news midnight eastern tomorrow night choose day night. So technically Wednesday if you wanna be stickler nine PM Pacific Tuesday night tomorrow choose day on ESPN news. We're back on TV. That was a lot of fun last week. Looking forward to seeing the show again CJ corporate, Jake. My music there. It is the familiar sound kind of freight to go outside 'cause here it's really cold out there. And it's really toasting here. I must say. And I appreciate all of you kind of the best day to take in the show, you're in the northeast, and you don't wanna go outside on this holiday here in the United States. Hope you enjoyed the program. I appreciate everyone who stopped by the tuned in and what a fun day, it has been recapping a really memorable night in Brooklyn had so much fun doing everything that we did not just on Saturday, but all week long here in Bristol. And Brooklyn all the media stuff that we did all the shows that are on that. I was on. I wanna thank everyone who had me on their show to talk about this event. And how special was not only for the company, but for the sport, this is a big deal, if you're an international viewer, and it doesn't quite make sense. Trust me. This was a massive massive deal in the history of the sport took us twenty six years to get here. But the you have C is finally at the worldwide leader. And I couldn't be more excited to be a part of it. Thank you so much Henry so Huto page vans. End Corey San Hagen, Anthony Pettus, Stephen wonderboy Thompson joined Calderwood Marla. Mariah. Is Dennis Bermudez and T J dillashaw for stopping by. And again, thanks to all of you missed it. 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 Episode 30: Cejudo, Dillashaw, Pettis, Wonderboy, VanZant, Calderwood, many more

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Episode 30: Cejudo, Dillashaw, Pettis, Wonderboy, VanZant, Calderwood, many more

"As gentlemen. Welcome to. Wani's? Back in your life on this Monday. January twenty first two thousand and nineteen HOGAN everyone marijuana. Welcome back to the program. Welcome to our Bristol Connecticut studios. And let me tell you it is freezing outside, and there's a lot of snow here to, wow, it's like a winter wonderland out there. So I'm very excited and very happy and very thankful to be inside warm with all of you. If it snowing where you are or if there's a lot of snow, and you don't wanna go outside if you're off today because it's Dr Martin Luther King's birthday, Dr Martin Luther King junior day. Then please do spend some time with all of us. Because my friends we have a lot to discuss on this Monday afternoon here in Bristol, Connecticut. The new era has begun it commenced in Brooklyn New York on Saturday night. We are going to be talking about that card all show long. And let me just tell you as my computer makes his noise here. Let me just tell you that the crowd in Brooklyn if I were giving. Out performances of the night bonuses, if I was giving out MVP awards the crowd in Brooklyn wins my award. They were phenomenal. If you were in attendance on Saturday night, you deserve some kind of bonus. Because you were incredible. They were on fire Sironi Hernandez fight main event. Just an amazing crowd. I did not expect that from this crowd. You know, not a lot of local favorites if you will on the main card, not a lot of huge names on the card so to speak, but they were on their feet. They were loud there were there from the beginning. So they props to now we are coming off the debut card ESPN, you have seen the numbers out there. You have seen what kind of success? It was. I don't need to talk about that. That's a little inside baseball. If you will. And quite frankly, you know, we need to be humble around here. But here's one thing. I do want to knowledge right up the top. I want to acknowledge this last week. Our little train that could was seen on multiple platforms and on the best platforms possible. Regular Monday show from our new studio you saw that on YouTube on Twitter that was very exciting. Right Twitter dot com slash live dot com slash ESPN. And of course, our new YouTube page, YouTube dot com slash ESPN. MMA you're seeing all the Twitter Instagram accounts right over there. So that was but then we had our TV debut on Tuesday late Tuesday night, midnight eastern time nine PM Pacific on ESPN news. It's going to be on ESPN news for one more week this week, the condensed version the highlight one hour version if you will and the next week we moved to our permanent home ESPN two and the reason for that is Australian Open some tennis tournament is going on. And apparently, it's a little more important than us. So that's number two. That's a nice little bucket list item that we checked off. But then Saturday we were on ESPN radio is peon radio national one hour. So in one week, we were on digital TV and radio, that's gigan-. That's a huge honor for me. And I wanna thank everyone who made that happen. And hopefully that is the norm. So I I've called it the little train that could I still feel. It is such a now we have a lot of muscle behind us a lot of support behind this. And this is very exciting. So I wanted to acknowledge that I wanted to say that because it's just such an exciting time for the program. And it's a great time to be here at ESPN covering mixed. Martial arts in particular because there's so much excitement. About the sport. There's so much interest in the sport Brooklyn came and went by now, you probably know Henry Suharto is still the flyweight champion, he defeated TJ dillashaw in thirty two seconds. Controversial main event you can use that word. I think that word is a little aggressive, but it is a main event, and it's a stoppage in particular that has been debated and the thing about it is to me there is no controversy. The thing about it is it was a good call. Kevin McDonald is not some local referee. Kevin McDonald is that some guy that got the opportunity to ref a main event in Brooklyn on a massive card because he happens to be a New York referee. I've talked about this before it just because the US's in Oklahoma City doesn't mean that, you know, the local Oklahoma City ref gets a shot at the big time. First of all Kevin McDonald is from Massachusetts second of all he's been refereeing major events for the last fifty years. And in fact, he's a former fighter. As well. So he deserved to be there. And I thought he made the right call. You're looking at the highlights here yet we talked about the push. That's not what led to the demise. You're seeing the demise right over here. Look at the head go back. I thought it was a good call the referees. Have the toughest job in sports MA referees in particular, you have to jump in there at a split seconds notice. You can't think about what the stakes are. You can't think about main event you can't think about TJ Dilshad just cut wait for twelve weeks. No, that's not how it works. You have to look at what you are seeing in the middle of the cage and in the middle of the cage on Saturday night that was a proper stoppage have there been cleaner ones. Yeah. Of course. But that was a proper stoppage in my opinion. And I thought that the right call was made we'll be talking about that. We'll be talking to the two particulars involved in that main event in a matter of moments. Greg hardy, of course, made his long-awaited much disgust. You have see debut on Saturday. He fought Alan Crowder, and he lost that fight via d q. It was not a clean fight. It was not a very exciting fight. It was very sloppy fight. And I maintain everything that I said leading up to this fight was proven to be true. He did not deserve. To be in the Coleman event. He was not UFC caliber. I no problem with him being in the U of C just didn't think he should be on this card and certainly not in that spot. I didn't think he should be on that card because of how big of a car was how historic it was I ever card in the peon era. But I also didn't like the fact that he was on the same card as Rachel. I know all of you said okay enough of that already. But that was my stance. And I'm going to ride that out until the end, but the fight came and went and there were some moments and you're seeing some of his moments right over here, but in the end cardio issues and just overall skill issues. He's not quite there three in those of professional. And so I feel like they're doing him a disservice by pushing him so quickly putting him in there. A guy who has twelve flights on his record not to say that Alan Crowder, blue bright by him. But there's a controversial finish. I don't believe. He did it on purpose. I don't believe he tried to end the fight that way. I just think maybe he was tired. Maybe he just didn't know where he was. Maybe they no the rule Indian Crowder wins. Has to be helped out and out of the cage. And and Greg hardy now has a loss on his record. I think he'll be back. Dana white seems to be very eager to have him back. This appears to be a hill that he wants to die on. And it's a it's a strange one to me because of who he is. But in the end, hey, you wanna be in the Greg hardy business great you're going to have to deal with moments like that? So we'll talk about Greg hardy throughout the show. We'll talk about page vans ends return and her victory. We'll talk about the new air. We'll talk about all that. And then some let me run down today's lineup. And then we'll get to our first guest of the day who I do believe is standing by. And I do believe he has a little friend with him. So to speak. Okay. So at around three forty we're going to be joined by TJ dillashaw. We'll get his thoughts on how this all went down on Saturday night. And whether he wants to really go after the rematch, and we'll see how he feels less than forty eight hours removed from the fight Dennis bermudas who retired on Saturday night in the middle of the cage. We'll talk to him about why he's walking away off a win. We'll talk to Marla Moore is who's headlining the next big U of C show in two weeks and four to against fell son. So. Usa specked that he will be next in line if he wins. That's what should happen. At least JoAnne. Calderwood will join us to forty to talk about her big win on Saturday against ni Lipsky. And yes, our haircut proved to be a good luck charm for her. So thank you very much. And you're welcome to all the JoAnne Calderwood fans out there. And now she wants either a title shot or a big fight next. Stephen Thompson is going to return on March twenty thirty against Anthony Showtime Pettus. We'll talk to him about that. That's in Nashville, and then we'll talk to Anthony Pettus at two oh five to talk about why he's moving up one hundred seventy pounds. I'm looking forward to hearing from him Corey San Hagan had a massive win the very first on. Yes. Peon television against Mario Batista. So we'll talk to him at one fifty page. Zandt will stop at one thirty five talk about the forementioned win over one Rachel Oeste vich. But first, let us waste any more time. Do we have our first guest ready to go? The man of the hour to sweet to be sour. Lowered the reigning defending. You have see flyway champion. The man who saved the one hundred and twenty five pound division on Saturday night by finishing TJ. They'll show as he said he would in just thirty two seconds there. He is computed himself the two thousand eight Olympic gold medalist Henry the Messager so hudo in the house. Henry how are you? Good to those good for you to be the first entity up doing until after Matt. To say fake year. Thank thinking for you know, I knew you believe that people in the story line, and you believe in the flyweight set. It's just a lot of young that you've done for the sport, which he did. Bras, guys. Thank you. I appreciate that. That means a lot to me. I'm happy that you said that because Henry I wasn't able to tend the press conference. But everyone was telling me afterwards that you actually gave me a little shoutout. Do we have that clip? I just want the world to know that the champion the first thing that was on his mind after winning this massive fight was little old me the knows let's play that clip. Where's area Hawaii? Where's he at? Mr. knows I wanted to hear I wanted to some questions from him. Yes. I love you. Great. Shoutout. Appreciate that very much. Okay. So let's talk about what transpired on Saturday night. Have you watched the foot? I mean, it's only thirty two seconds. I'm assuming you've watched it at nauseam. But a have you watched it and be what do you think of the stoppage? Now two days later. It was a rice stoppage is it was it was. Take an extra ten hits. If the rough was to stop it. I could feel real reason why sorta tacking heart is I could feel his body goal. Couple times from that. Because I said the beginning, I believe it was that it was that bit. I just I touched his face. Wasn't. It wasn't as Harvard Wisconsin per SEIs. And they saw I saw the meaner chain. And that's over him a little loopy overhead. That's in that kind of caught a round the and as he was getting up trying to Russell guy. I did it. I wanted on my late. You know, I wanted him to be able to still what it's like to get somebody great beefs take you out. So I just decided to get this just start whacking. I never did anything like. I never got into guard climb. You he was her game space that dropping twice. You can only buckle. Somebody so many times before. Or it's too late. I think it was a it was a great stoppage falls that revenue is getting a lot of heat from a lot of people. But I would I would have wanted this MMA there's sanctioned or sports, and I thought it was a rice stoppage error, and I agree with you on that you came out very Gresley was that part of the game plan. Henry did you wanna come out quickly? And did you think that there would be an opening that soon to finish the fight that quickly because I think a lot of people that have DJ? Nobody's preston. He's always always kind of. Dictated the ACO and the cool thing about areas, I can find with pressure Neka five with this. I do. And sometimes, you know, you go out there, and you fight. You just got more. While you play your car drive, and it's like a card game. He won't your expressions. His face will show, you all tell all. And I think that's exactly what happened when I caught him about. I body new. I heard him with that first body to body kick. Right. Head surprised, and is I slows arms even go backwards in their own. Will tell you the whole game. That's just that's that's all she wrote a gray stoppage. You know, hold second area. I I've been extremely a-. Shouldn't bless when Dimitris Johnson, and I'll teach in that puts me team spiel leads for. Hendrickson was no slouch. Yes. Yes. Schober say allowed and say proud that. Do you have a cameraman filming this what's going on here? Henry that was amazing. Cameron. Captain, eric. Very is captured so proud cap. Look at this. Now, you're his cameraman seeing. That's how it works, man. This is. We're still debate on coaching. Nineteen twenty nineteen. You know, it's a new year. You still? On style. Let's I thinking to this back down to the lever. Coach important nineteen Hawan better snap it out. All right. All right. I told them he's on his way. It's been a great start to the year for you guys. I know that doesn't mean much to him. But you're on your way. Now, let me ask you this where you watching the Komeda bed. Henry because it seemed like at one point you were about to knee him while he was down in the near like, look, I can't do this. Now, he's down to that ever crossed your mind. Were you about to neom for a quick second? There. I'll tell the quota had thought about it. But I can see the cokes. I knew it was. Or something was going to happen with with big guy. You just never know. Yeah. When I ended up doing is. I like pose before. Close my eyes and put my headphones on time. I got up it was like a legal signing how it happened. But I think those are just natural instincts. Whereas like, you think about a real real fight? He kinda came into perspective a one that see is like a needle face. When these guys are are slow started to get up. And that's that changes the whole game. You know? God you didn't do it. But yet, but I was telling I was telling at delayed is going on that evening and luckily by instincts able to still relax focus up here. And didn't do that. You're very happy afterwards. Obviously. This was a great moment for you TJ has received some heat. I mean, I just see on my Twitter people are like, oh is he going to come on the show and cry about this this, and that do you feel like anything he has said afterwards has tried. It has been an attempt on his part. Take away your victory to damp in the celebration that you're enjoying right now. I get it though. I understand his position. He's a winner. In a Senator before the that's what makes TJ special is a fact that being a sore losers back thing being. He's a very passionate we've sold. I mean, also loser to you know, that's just are being a competitor. But. At the end of the day, very careful person. Or people say anything about me he could say anything even to take anything from the victory. But then the day, let me show you let me show you. His. I wanna ask you about that thing. You're the first champion to hold it. So what do you think is it's received a lot of hate a lot of people are very critical of the new belt. What do you think of it? You're the first champion to actually hold that thing. What does that Star Trek? It looks like a Star Trek built. You don't like it. I like it actually don't it's actually it's very beautiful. It's a lot. It's nice university. No. But I did it on the US has got smart burn said. Instead of you guys. Just give us a new Browder? Would you guys are not just giving us a damn movie? Cost cutting measure. Budget cuts. I you everytime area. I know obsta waited for my knows it's coming. It's right here. It's on my desk. Everyone's giving me crap for that corporate, Jake you. That's right. That's going right next to the gold medal. So you. Put a little bit of Brown. Man jeeze. I'll take it. No problem. Is it flag? All right. I'm gonna hear this for the rest of the year. I might as well just give you guys the award now. So I don't have to hear it. But hey, is it lighter? How does it feel it looks smaller? No. It's actually a lot heavier than the. Oh, okay. All right. It's really nicer. I think I did look sorry. I think it's it looks a lot nicer Ursa person. Okay. It's a total stage Newburgh. She was more and more people Cirque to have become offenses. I already like the old out action. Okay. Well, they have it. Dana white put the built around you. And then what happened? Did he leave because you're calling? You're saying Dana where you Ed was mad or something. I think we're hiding told you I says I'm gonna talk this on earth says lose that weight of focus the Murdy lives, a bigger purpose to this. I'm going to take your well being than the, and that's that's what happened to me. I was in this this this was a catered for to win. Wasn't. I we asked Noah says, you know, what bring him down. And it's fortunate people will take a little bit out of the victory law. People would complain about it. But people guys always gonna kill all her. You know, number one. It's like every time before I go fight area. I always pay the guy, and I always talk about watches by safe, but the safety the safety my opponent like every time, I don't just worry about being like. Bipolar has founded by opponent has has has something to live for. And I always praise like take care of us. Not just mean, but us. It's a fortunate that people think it's early spot. I think it's. Weighing in at one forty six. When I was strong, Jack. These has these hands Letterman's Hanser sends have been made for combat. Do you think they know is upset that you want? No, no. I don't think. So I think I think now he knows there's there's a new star. That's point. There's a new sheriff in. And. You know? That's just that's just the way it is. So did you talk to him backstage, no illegally chance to see you. He took off. No, he he. What's ran? Outta town. Weren't we supposed to get an update he said on Saturday? We'll find out about the patriot division. Says a lot minutes. I'm gonna have a meeting within I'm going to have a meeting with very Thursday. We'll talk about the future of the division and fund out. Exactly. We'll stolen on if. And if what's what's what's the next step? You know, because it's you know, that they got rid of a lot of people in my weight Costner Thomas. It's it's fortunate. Backs against the wall. I feel like I'm stressing it I've been doing it. I'd be two of the greatest of all time Dimitrios now. Jimmy, and that's that resume speaks for itself. All area. No. Yeah. So what do you think what's your gut say right now, the fact that he didn't wanna talk about it before the fact that he didn't wanna talk about it on Saturday. The fact that he didn't talk to you backstage on Saturday. Do you feel like it's inevitable like he already made up his mind. He's going to close this down. I think has been saved you you saved it. I think I believe I say that I believe are saved. And I think this is the reason why aerial that in I said it before wants to look I'm taking things back to you heard at the press conference. And you heard me now where we talked about when you interviewed me right before this fight got announced says I'm gonna beat this man one hundred twenty five pounds. And now I want my shot of gold at a hundred and thirty five. Yes, I sent the flag area. And I'm gonna gonna be at flyweight. But I told you guys just beginning that I want my shot at one hundred thirty five pounds the continue to keep adding to their legs, Sanderson all the move to fly away while you know, he say that. But I'll tell you the beginning. This is the point aerial that is I want my crock at second government. What about my legacy now? Now, I believe I believe on one of the greatest of all time, and I want to secure with this victory at one hundred and thirty five pounds. Okay. So that is accurate and that is consistent. You have been saying that but people like my partner shale and others are saying well now it's contradictory because you're saying you want to save the flyway to you wanna be a flyweight. But then your next fight. You wanna move up to one thirty five. So it doesn't feel like you're doing this for the flyweights at feels like you're just kind of doing it for yourself. What do you say to those people are like, okay, you're talking about saving the flyaways? But now you're talking on your next flight is at bantamweight. No. That's all to it. I think if anybody was in my position but donors why I would do this is making sure that the hundred twenty five pound bell is secure for all of us. Not just for me for all of us. And I got to sit down and really talk to Dana. 'cause I don't know what's going on. You know? I can I can I can promise you guys that go to you know, all we could go to get that one twenty five. I don't have a with that TJ. If you want your rematch. You got it there. You lost your juicer lost your juice? He lost to me. I'm your next fight. I think I think everybody knows that they're not gonna give you. It's lost ridge and spent less revenge loss to me your stock mar-, your your stock market would down. Do you feel like a different fighter one twenty five because of that extra ten pounds? He cut. His rhythm. Everything was good or I don't I don't. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. It was a quick fight. I can tell you something I have never been in. And I said at the press conference I have never been in. This is the best shape of my life. Or fibula aerial have. I fucked this stone if people at near force one my signs team manager noted incredible job incredible John on make you wait easy. Not easy, but making way recovering like a like a maniac going out the night feel strong. I just I feel overwhelmed. I I thought overpowering a teacher I just felt good because of the people that are have around near foresworn along. Thank my coach, captain, Eric, Eric embarrassing. But this who put the right team together lying off from hauling Brazil for Mexico. I mean guys I- trae like a professional. I am professional like living. If he has to see my exactly everything would be everything that I've been Ariel has a purpose. Technical wise, scientific wise that we're doing everything. Bye. Bye. Bye. The books by by the books of of of of of the human and you need to get paid like a professional to now. Right. Yes. Yes, absolutely area because you don't feel like you have been paid accordingly. I'm I'm here to buy them. I'm the cash count on. It's the civil alway, you know, everybody wants to piece of me. Now, everybody's come out of the worst. I got a huge target. But you know, what I'm gonna break. No. Everybody's out nodes. Hold fly. We Ted battlements with the history of loves get a it's gonna it's going to hold for as, but I can tell you one thing that I'm gonna continue to fight when I continue to find needed with uncle Dana. And there we're gonna take it from there, by the way at that meeting. Walk it with that press. Release the numbers on Saturday. You see those numbers five hundred plus thousand subscriptions addity is PM plus in one day highest rated prelims on cable and five years six years. I mean, you gotta bring that people wanna see you fight. It's all because of you Henry. Yeah. Yeah. Redoubt next question for you. Yes. Credit credit hour credits in both me. And you I think we did a great job Henry from being honest. I think we did a phenomenal. If I'm being honest. I think you, and I sold this car better than anyone on the planet better than anyone the people who got paid to sell. It didn't sell it as good as you. And I most important fight UFC history. I said it trade market. I liked that came out the snake. I didn't I did it because I knew this was this was drawn attention to the flyway tomorrow. And you will I mean, I got people in in the city just randomly walking. I got people here. Just recognizing Newark centers. They're not huge animate Nuys, you know, or not in the I there quite frequently quite a bit and nobody oh, that's C O K. But now after this fight at the Barclay center. The people the everybody from the guy holding the door to to to to the to the to the to the person survey at the bar. It's crazy. It's overwhelming. Just a couple more minutes left with the reigning defending UFC flyweight champion the man who saved one hundred twenty five pound division. The great Henry thank you so much for doing. This. Henry Henry, I have to say there's one thing that you didn't mention that. I was a big factor in your victory on Saturday. An overlooked factor. The beard Henry the power of the beard is a very powerful thing. You gotta keep that thing. Please do not your different. I saw the pictures of you. And you DJ you look completely different. You are a man with that beard. You are intimidating. Okay. Please. Don't let go of that thing. Okay. Keep it you're gonna keep it to actually you know, what that actually could tell you right now on. A national on national worldwide like Streep that we're also on the ESPN news Henry. Okay. So don't forget, we're on TV. All right. We're multifaceted here. Okay. I'm sorry. Yes. Try do an in studio interview. But when you started be that tax much 'cause I was really thinking about this cut in the hoping all on my story. And you said you gotta keep it. If you're a why actually how what an honor? I didn't have that much power. And I listened I listened I thought it was the Bella twins. Can you tell me the story you in the Bella twins cozying up on the plane? What happened there? Do you know them or you just bumped into them? Bump into or sitting or spas. I positive right next to me and the in. I started dude, I Nikki Bellas been my biggest. Really tell them like biggest crusher. So she was sitting next to me off. I. I. L of grosses. And then I add my little niece. She's nine years old. And she loves she loves she loves the L tunes. And she was she with her for shadow hall. We choose her for Halloween, Nikki Bella, and she was making. Burr for her birthday birthday feet, wile? You know, I like my niece. This is my nieces can you do a key give a shadow for? We'll be the. And again super knives. Go I used by these talk to her. I saw that. I saw that. Well, and then running on your Instagram. Did you see them give you I don't know who's writing because it's just one account for two people, which is a little strange. But did you see them give you a shot out? Yeah. They did. They did there too. The they follow me. No oh now. Nikki Bill the one that's married to Dan O'Brien or she the single one. Now, she's a single Henry stay what Henry get out the way, John CENA. Here comes the messenger. Henry sa- Huta. The champ who we gotta make this happen entry. I will tiger tire. Put this clip out. Henry I'm gonna let the world know that you are ready willing and available that single try legal. I love it. It's so great Henry. This is amazing stuff. So next up. You're staying in New York for a day or so, and then you're going to Las Vegas to meet with Dana. And then you're going to campaign for what what are we campaigning for to save the flyway for your title shuttle, one thirty five what is the mission here and to get paid. You got a lot on the docket. Yeah. I do. I do like I said what the you just don't know. We don't we don't have any. We don't we only have a certain amount of saber. I think I think this goes to carry a lot of juice mantle is gonna be both aerial I want I want my shine at hurry thin five pound. And I want say the plywood division. It's both know though, that that's just the way is that you can only have one. What if they say you can only have one pick? Very what are you doing? What if they say that I'm gonna give you the the day to now come on? What's more important to you to save your division or to go work, citing the flatly? Yes. Yes. Yes. Why is he hiding Wisey hate him not answering your questions he you put by the way? You did. You put them on the spot on Thursday, you made a bet with him. And he wouldn't take it. And he's the biggest gamble there is there. It's scary now. Now, I think now he believes Henry he needed to see it. Yeah. He has to he has to eat. He's there's there's there's music in his year ball. There's I can tell I can tell he's gonna he's gonna change only me. Did you hear from DJ that he's send anything to you know, I have loud I had curious to appear seeing that here from earlier so high spoke to beforehand, and he said he was rooting for you. Yeah. I said, what do you think of all this stuff going on? This was your way class. You put it on the map. He said I'm rooting for Henry, I hope they saved the division. I hope he wins. Oh, wow. That's awesome. BJ is a hell of a fighter. But I still think the greatest of all time. That means that means a lot to fortunate that along in the U of Steve, but believe it or not Aaron elected a missile. Yeah. I I miss. We're gonna miss seeing in the sinc- him before bucket sits OT's poultry vocation. It's awesome. You've been very clear what you want. But I'm just curious. Did you see a benefit as fight? And is there any interest? If you don't get what you want the one thirty five pound title fight and fighting him again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Joe's. Joe's death. For sure if you down that's. That's the next guy. Henry, congratulations. What a moment man, you deserve it. You are turning in truly. I know your manager says it all the time I leave but here turning into one of the greatest combat sportsman of all time Olympic gold medal. Now doing what you're doing in the U of C. This is unprecedented stuff, and you deserve it out. So happy that you were put on display and not only that you stepped up to the plate, man. Like, you promoted it, you did all the interviews. Are entertaining. You're charismatic you come out with the jacket with the gold medal at the press is just fun. I don't know honestly, captain there. I don't know who deserves the credit for bringing this out because you weren't like this when you came to the U of C, I'm sorry that people that have made in fact, okay. It has been number one has tapped in America after Eric Albers the two thousand nineteen poaching. Yes. Get that straight yet now. So let that selects RAV that Brown up that noise. Yes. Number two, probably say advice that area. I believe you are a you helped push that you've always encouraged me to to be myself. Yeah. Remember that one time I came out with that ask the last bit of like it. Your love did. Like. He gets to ask warrior costume. I love it. I'd say number three is probably number one is. Probably chelsea. Wow. But in all of his. Of he pushed says, no don't be like Henry don't be that audible guy getting people's faces. You know, the veto take it from that. And then number four probably all eve. Well, what mental are you definitely one on the? Let's it. Eric ariel. Shell are we are you guys play the big role in this? And this is the reason why we're the break breaking records. Whilst that may number one. Is you congratulations. You did. It you called your shot. I hope you get what you want on Thursday. Keep us posted on how that goes Henry, thanks for doing this. We'll do you guys. Have you guys? Thank you. Take care there. He is the reigning defending UFC flyweight champion the man who saved the flyweights on Saturday night in Brooklyn, New York. The great Henry so Huda what a story thirty two seconds. Now, he heads the Las Vegas to try to actually save the flyweights and to get what he wants next. Great story there. From Henry pseudo really appreciate him stopping by. Okay. One of the other big stories on Saturday. Of course, the return the long way too much anticipated return of one page Zandt twelve gauge she fought Rachel Oeste vich she submitted. Rachel ostrich vich showed a lot of heart. A lot of grit a lot of determination as always she is kind enough to be joining us via the magic Skype. Let's say Hello to one page and page. How are you? How are you? I'm doing great. I'm happy. You could join us because last week you're supposed to join us. But then you dropped us for a little show. Good morning something. Good Morning, America. Never heard of it. I'm sorry. And that one was last minute to that you start the requests though to be on good Morning America, which hours love. So I wasn't able to join you. That's the one show that I'll say, okay, fine. You can get skippers for because it's a big platform mainstream and whatnot. So no hard feelings. No, hard falls, a very happy for you. Congratulations on the win. Are you happy with your performance after the layoff? Are you happy with what you did on Saturday? I'm happy. I got the finish. I'm really happy about that. And you know, I know Rachel's a tough competitor, anybody in the going to be a high level competitor. But at the same time, I'm pretty disappointed in my first round felt the ring rest. I I felt like I went out there, and I just Hanoch choke than anything. I thought about doing in the back just went out the window. But she an amazing take downs amazing setups for her take downs and was able to do a lot of ground control in that first round. But you know, once I got into the second round down. My rhythm was able to turn it up. Okay. So a couple things one ask about that response. First of all was she tougher than you thought. I feel like Rachel doesn't get enough credit because maybe her record isn't spectacular. But she actually tougher than you thought. Especially in that first, she was very tough, you know, and she had very good timing on her take downs kind of figure to try to take me down. She has a wrestling background. So we knew that she was going to go for it. I thought I had, you know, texted myself. My teammates on that might take down times. But she was able to set them up. So well, and it those Austin's on an interview and he's the dual interviews between the couple here the married couple. Thanks austin. Yeah. All right, anyway, interrupting air Khalani, no, but she was very tough and had amazing ground control top control. So that something we're going to work on today with my coaches getting out from on bottom in using that to capitalize. No break. You're going back to the Jim today. Yeah. You know, coming up. So I'm gonna go if I'm going to the gym about as well train, though that is true. And then what about the nerves you mentioned you said that, you know, you got a little nervous panicked. A little bit is is that common for you. Or is it because of the layoff and the big stage. Yeah, I was nervous. I think I put a lot more pressure on myself this by over any other. Of course, I was excited to perform in New York. And then, of course, not ESPN is a dream come true. And then on top of that, you know, coming back from such a long lay-off in, you know, having my arm broken in my last night. And like I didn't put a good performance on my last by either I did put a lot of pressure myself to performance I felt like I had an amazing. Camp. And I just wanted to show that off. So I think if I'm more activist year, which definitely plan on being I won't have those, you know, the ring ring rest type nerves. I'm I know that I just thought I've been there done that. I can go into the next one a little bit more confident did your coaches say anything to going into the second to calm. You don't. No, I think it was more. I just needed to breathe. I was nice. I was able to look at her and her corner and see how tired you us, and that gave me a lot of competence because I know I can carry myself for many many many rounds we star Scott at least five rounds every sparring day of gym. I have the cardio goal long way. So I know the deeper the fight those typically the better position on the VN with my opponents. They did, you know have to tell me all the things I was doing wrong. Like, this is how new now on this you need to get out of it. I feel like I am maturing is a competitor in a sense that I can really hear my corners. Really listen to what they're saying especially during the round. So that something I actually I'm very happy with myself on our you the locker room where you freaking out were you that nervous? I love I guess, I don't know. I it's hard for me because I have a new I've had a new set of corners every single time in either they don't necessarily always know what I made. And I think after this when they definitely know what I need now going into its. Like people to talk to make on saintly. There was a lot of dead time dead space in our locker room where it was just like silent. And that's on my nerves can take over. So I use it. I mean, people time you like, hey, this is what she's going do. This you need to deal to really talk me through the whole fight and have like a play by play before. I go out was Austin in your corner. I'll do my corner. Yes. What's that? Like have your husband in your corner for the first time? No, he actually my last night too. He wasn't your husband then. So it's different right? Not my head been no actually don't think about it at all. He's way more nervous than I am. And for me, all I think about is fighting and they're certain points in the locker room where I could see him like struggling. So I'd be like, hey, like read like calm down. It's not a big deal like workers finding we do this all the time. So I think we needed you know, that big that big win for him to get a little those nerves out of the way for next time. It you're the you're about to go fight. And you're the one coming him down, and he's a fighter. Well, it was ten. Yes. But I think it's ever fell. I I understand though. 'cause when I watched him that same feelings, it's like I can control what happens in the cage. His I'm fighting, but I can't control. It's going to happen to him. And it's the same very same situation. And he knows how much pressure. I put on myself for that fight in like, tears, I shed leading up to it. And how much you know, how desperately I wanted to win. So he wanted so much for me as specially coming from a broken arm in that lay off. So I think just wanted to win, but very quick aside on Saturday chill told me a story about going to a local show, and and essentially there was an empty seat. Austin calls them and says I can't get into this show. Can you get me in? He knew about the MTC. And it was like wait a second. I have an idea put you guys together, you didn't know each other and ever since then you've been in several. So basically Cheils the reason why you guys got married is at an actual true story that is absolutely true, actually. And yes jail like one of the instigators behind our, you know, I don't know if you trying to set us up he was just like, hey, there's an extra see that next to your teammate. And I knew him, but I didn't. He has we were on the mat here yada together. But yeah, we sat next to each other in the nitric dementia going out to eat with me afterwards. I need a ride you have a car. So and sparks from. Then while so chill the matchmaker for the record. He told me he had no ulterior motive he just needed to get him into the door and you had an empty seat in. There you go. So I wanna give him too much credit. But in the end it worked out very nicely for you guys. So well done to chill. Regarding the finish. It was very strange because I don't think the entire Rena new that did you notice that it was like super quiet in there? And everyone was confused. Did you what did you hear? What did you feel? She tapped you, but sorta softly what what what was it from your perspective that led to like, oh the submission, and I'm really disappointed in myself. Because I don't know why in a moment, I thought the rack will offer. And we're always told do not like don't stop until the records you off. But I got the arm bar, and she was almost out of it. And then I was able to adjust might be in full her back down into the arm bar, and I just felt her arm pop multiple times kind of heard like wins and scream. So I knew it was over. I felt her taps right here. Like, Hooker, leg or back down and instantly. New. I like it was over. And I don't know why thought their full me off. But yeah filter arm. I think I'm not sure I hope not and then. One. Yeah. With able to get the win guess, so. Yeah. Her manager told me that they don't think it's broken that it was just hyper extended. So that's good news. I don't think you should be mad at yourself though. I feel like that that was the classy professional thing to do. I know it could lead to controversy. But it's not like she was contesting it or protesting it. Right. So I feel like you should actually be given props for this for letting go to feel that because that must be a little jarring right to hear the popping or to feel the popping to know, especially you'll hurt to hear her like hearing, the noise she made to know that I finished it. It's over. I definitely would never wanted to any extra damage to her arm that was unnecessary. We're told as combat athletes don't let go until the rebels are. But I mean in different situations. You know, it could lead to your opponent being more dramatically injured so unhappy that wasn't the case this time for other situations. Of course, I feel each each situation's different. It's I learned from it. But I was happy. I got the. Ed, even watching the fi- afterwards. Like, oh, yeah. That was it does look a little questionable because she goes down from pain. I go down from excitement and crying. You don't really know what's going on. And that is actually what I wanted to ask you about next because we've seen you have these moments afterwards where you are emotional you let it all out and it's beautiful to see. But in this particular face, even when they were raising your arm. It seemed like you were crying as well. Was this the most you've ever been that emotional after victory? And if so why? Yeah, I would say this by and my UFC take you were equally as emotional and for me it was that yesterday. You were I never thought I would never fight for the update with such a big deal on such a huge moment for me. And then this situation where it did feel like I had such a long road to getting back to hear you know, I had so many different stresses sacrifices and things along the journey to get to that victory. You know, leaving team out the mail coming to a new him having a brand new team. Team having all these other factors outside of my life. And then finally to get by breath, my arm in it, and then the out again for a year for with multiple surgeries, kind of seemed like the cards were stacked against me. And I was the only time I've ever questioned if I would ever fight again is because I didn't know my arm was ever gonna he'll come in in winning meant that much more industry. How is the arm after the the foot? Oh, awesome. Yeah. I when they will detect didn't hit her in. You can see my little. I wasn't able to, you know, use my hands as much as I thought I would not fight. I really thought you know, my own goal was keep it standing, but I was able to test it. I got a lot of really hard ground and pound in and didn't feel thing. Armfield amazing. So I feel like it was finally battle-tested. I can start going to the gym knowing one hundred percent my arms good to go. And just get ready for my next fight. So you've talked a couple times now about wanting to be more active make up for lost time perfect world when you return, and do, you know against two. Perfect world would be March. I think I mean, I would love closing in on the end of kaN. I have there's one, you know, cool thing I'm doing this month and then straight back to the gym. So I I would hope for March the beginning March would be great anytime. I know there's a lot of ESPN cards coming up several with UFC said, I'm sure my managers are going to be talking to the about a matchup this week would sa- cooling, you're doing at the end of the month. Oh, let me tell you about it. Okay. So I don't know if I'm supposed to. Night. My old man goal in dreams in life were to be on shops that the cooking show Mather one was to be on ridiculousness. So I get to go filming episode ridiculousness. Wow. I not answer. The stars. You did that too. Steel that was really awesome. But as far as like, you know, the cute little like TV shows, I'm very excited going to relations and writing a book as well. You do a lot of things that are pretty young age getting married, of course. So it's good to be patriots. I just wanna ask I heard JoAnne. Colder would say that. She was interested in fighting you. She had a win. Are you interested in that fight? Yeah. I think anybody in the top fifteen. I definitely wanna work my way up division. I know after this by ahead quite group calling me out, which is always, you know, typical. So whoever UFC said managers is coaches where we're going to get the right matchup in. We're gonna get another fight soon. Yes. It always like you're one of those photos like Michael bisbee where it seems like there's always this long to of people for whatever reason who immediately after you fight just like the line forms immediately. I want page, Vincent. So it's I mean, it's good to be wanted. It's good to have a target on your back. So I never have to worry opponent available. That's you know, the one thing I wanna fight. I get to and loss thing. One twenty-five obviously felt healthier better cut. We're not considering ever going back down. Right. No. No. And at one point. I was like, you know, what if I got my diet point if I really did a lifestyle change, I could make one fifteen again. But absolutely not my coaches in my managers after seeing wait cut. They're like. Yeah. This this is the correct division for you. And I truly believe that one twenty five visions where I belong. So I love it. You know, I'm gonna continue to get stronger and get better and really make my name here in this division will feel etc. Flight was the quintessential page men's and fight in the sense that I think sometimes you get you get a bad rap for just being like this blonde pretty face, but it showed heart determination. That's where I think a lot of people started to respect you have to the rose fight. Even though you lost that fight. You don't back down you keep going you break your arm and a fight. You keep going. You lose the first round. Like you did on Saturday. You keep going you get the finish. So to me that was I encompass the kind of fighter that you are so congratulations. Enjoy it. Be proud of it. Welcome back looking forward to the next one looking forward to a big year out of you page. Thanks for doing this and not cancelling at the last minute on us for bigger show. All right. Oh, I'm I'm the kind of guy keeps bringing these things up just to make it more and more awkward, so it's all good. Thank you page. I appreciate it very much. All right there. She is page vans and big win on Saturday over Rachel ostrich vich. She is back. She is a player at one twenty five. And there are a lot of other fighters gunning for her, okay? One of the other big stories on whether we're ton of big stories on Saturday. But my friends if you are ever at a dinner party, if you're ever at a dinner party and in ten fifteen years because you can't do it like next week. That's too soon. But in ten fifteen years someone's talking to you about mixed martial arts someone sitting down with using oh mixed martial arts the history of mixed martial arts and someone says to you. Wow. You know, you have see has been on MA for the last fifteen years. But what was the very first fight? On ESPN say you've been on. I said you've been on ESPN for fifteen years, and what was the very first fight. And then you could say to them, I know the answer to that question. The very first fight. UFC fight on ESPN history is going to be a trivial pursuit this going to be like every single HQ show. You know that that the Instagram the Bill do the very first fight ever on ESPN Nadia's PM, plus not not his PIN to not ESPN news ESPN the very first fight. Mario Batista against our next guest. Corey San Hagen there. He is. That is the man who not only was the part of the very first fight on ESPN. But one the very first fight on ESPN, the one and only Corey San Hagan made history on Saturday. So we had to have him on the program. Cory thanks for doing this. Congratulations on the win at Gary. Thanks for having me on then I appreciate it very much. So this this was very exciting stuff. Because not only did you kick it off here. The man is so one day, they'll say, oh Kane versus JD ass kicked off the FOX Corey San Hagen, and Mario petits kicked off the ESPN era. And when you're a champion one day people be like, wow, that's kind of crazy that he? Reviewed the ESPN era did any of this come into play mentally for you, like did you understand how big of a deal this was or are you so focused on the fight itself that it just kind of feels like another day at the office. And kinda just felt like another office to be honest. I think findings different than most sports because I mean, you're going in and like you can really get hurt in their, you know, we're fighting each other like we're participating in combat like for time to kind of Bill each other in there. So. I wasn't too concerned with who was watching more concerned with not letting Mario eaten up in front of a allowed also turn up. I can understand people like me make a big deal out of these things. But I understand why you'd be focused on it. And by the way, I just feel like okay, I was actually standing next to executives, and it was a big deal for all of them. You know, the debut, and I was thinking like man, we just we just don't want like a, you know, adult fair here. Right. And that round it was not a very long fight. But it was just so much fun to me. It just kinda showed everything that we love. But I've made and in particular the stuff that you're doing on the ground, the inverted triangle, and all that did you think that you had initially were that what a way that would have been to kick off this whole thing. The finish itself was beautiful the arm bar was beautiful, but the early submissions that you're going forward just spectacular. Did you think that you had him? Were you surprised that he got out? I didn't think that I really had him to be honest. I don't really like the inverted triangle that much so finishing. It is in is in the area that I was too comfortable doing. But I was trying to listen to my coaches. I did see his face turn red and the main kind of in-instead out and honestly like a half second like in my head. I was like man if I finish this. I'm the man I'm getting a bonus one hundred percent for sure. And then and then his head slid out, and I just stopped with the Comoro. I haven't really good track game now. So I start with the Comoro like like you're seeing right now. And I don't really like thinking the arm. I don't really like arm bars. I think that like if someone's like, they're very tough. They'll kind of just like let the arm pop, and I don't like the idea that so I didn't wanna go for the arm, but it was their sites. Was there? So I took it whatever. And I love that moment that we just showed right over there. If you immediately asking him, I believe you're asking him if he was okay. Was that what you were doing? Yeah. Man. I mean, I don't really want. I don't want to hurt. Anyone? But I understand that that's part of it. But yeah, I always like to make sure that everyone's okay afterwards. I seem to make sure that they're all good. I'm not in there to hurt anyone. So. Yeah, that's rounds. Doing afterwards. I congratulate him to you know, I'm pretty got to be part of his first fight in the UFC. I know how big of a deal that is. And I know how that's really going to change his life for the next couple of years or however long these going to do it. So I was really happy to be part of that for him as well. And so I respect the fact that you say that going into the fight you aren't thinking about the magnitude. But how about coming out of the flight? You know, you're you're coming off. I was Duke and Virginia playing in college basketball. So immediately anyone's watching that they're about to see you. Did you get a lot of people hitting you up saying, I just saw you on TV? Yeah. Always always afterwards. Honestly, I had a little bit more people message after the Yuri. Okay. Like a much wilder fight. Obviously this one was a little bit. I would say tame to watch compared to sit here he fight. But yeah, I definitely still got a ton of messages afterwards, which I really appreciate they had to stall. Because the game was going long were you aware of that? And that screw up your preparation at all not in no going on to be honest. When I was in the back. I've reached kind of this level of performance and clarity in my mind before fights. We're like nothing really going out. I'm doing my thing. Like always like, it's just another day at the office. Like you said. Still nothing really matters the anymore. When I'm in the back, like, honestly, I did not feel good going into the fight. I didn't feel like I had a ton of snap on my hundreds. I felt a little sluggish. I wasn't able to really wake my body up too much. But that only kind of really affects you in the fight if you let all of that era, and like all white wise, my body not away. If you go into the fight worrying about that. You're just adding worry on top of you, not doing very good, which is worse. So I didn't feel great. But I went in. And I knew those are going to perform the way that I know that I hand. So it didn't bother me too much that that ran a little bit late. You continue your winning ways in you. Of course, you're supposed to fight John Lineker he pulled out a week or so out I asked you about this going into the fight. But now afterwards, are you hopeful that they will revisit that fight because that feels like a nice little step after these I refi tau. They went finishes all looking good. Afoot against John Lineker would be a pretty a pretty nice step up. Is that what you want? Yeah. Medgar would be awesome. I think that I can put on a good performance with Linegar to there's there's a few guys in the top fifteen where in my head on my win by but I don't know that I'll be able to show the world, but what I can do fully which is a huge part of why step into the ages because I want to show the world what I can do. I want to show the world what mixed martial arts in my opinion. Should look like. There's guys like top fifteen top ten that. Like, I definitely confident that I eat, but that wouldn't make for the best fight. But I think the Olympic would would be abandoned them. Like, I think I can look really good against Linegar. I think that I have a lot of things playing in my favorite was Linegar, but also miniature super dangerous. So I think you'd be able to bring out the best in me as well. Like, I like those fights like I mean when I first heard Lineker fight on them. Like, this is different. You know, like top guy huge hitter. Like, there's there's always that voice in the back of your head. Like, all what what if what if you get knocked out and everyone, you know, like so, but I like those fights stepping outside my comfort zone. I like improving myself as a person and has martial artists in an combatant. But I would love to fight Linegar. But if it's someone else's long as it's like a good fight. You know, like they may resume. Negative fight. And the and pharma Mick burger fight. So ready? You have seen wants to do. Let them do whatever. I just wanna get matchup Bracken show. What I can do. I feel like you are one of the rising stars not only in your division. But in the sport in the UFC right now in particular, and obviously a lot changes as you start to climb the ranks. And you get a lot busier and you have to take this whole game. A lot serious a lot more seriously. But I do understand that you have another job you work with children. Right. And it's a very special and important job. Can you tell us more about it? Yes. Yeah. I worked at a place called mount Saint Vincent's. It's in Denver. It's a treatment facility for traumatize kids. We have a we have a school section, and then we have where the kids actually live. But. All of the kids there or most of them have some sort of trauma. So must Vincent neglect and abuse and problems in the household things like that drugs with their parents, blah, blah, blah. But they're about six to thirteen years old really awesome kids, but I just work as an assistant teacher, usually like one or two days a week not often anymore. I've been there for years now. So before when I was kinda need money because obviously unable before the UFC or or or whatever big organization, you're gonna go into you don't make really any money at all. So I didn't do that for about four years. I still worked out by still go in the speak, my coworkers probably super pumped about me winning the videos are all of them watching. But yeah, I'm just insistent teacher side. Just make it a little bit easier for them to make it through the day. You know, they're there because they're kinda dealt a really bad card, and I just try to make that those like a couple hours in the classroom that I'm. With them just a little bit easier. So yeah, I've been doing that about four years. It's it's really cool gig. And mount Saint Vincent's is really cool about like helping me out at training, practices and things like that. So I can make all of that those too much respect that is incredible. Yeah. It's an amazing thing that you do do you want to even if your schedule gets busier and you're fighting in bigger fights. Do you want to remain affiliated with them in some capacity? Still or do you think at some point you're going to have to move on? Everything I've done in my life. I've only done because I loved him because I believed in you know, I don't need to be working there right now, you know, like. I know I'm not a rich man by any means. But like Nagin in the bonus my last fight, and the the view that had miss this year round period. I mean, obviously, I don't really need to work there anymore. It's it's a nonprofit also it's not as that much anyways. But I mean, I intend on working there as long as I can. I mean, it's like it gives me something else. Other than animated also worked at high outs. Martial arts. Cody Donovan and Christian, Allen's Jim, and I teach there too. So my entire life is in the gym or talking about martial-arts or or eating or just thinking about it all the time and chaining so Romy to have another outlet of something. That's also positive is is important to me. So I I don't really see me me leaving anytime seem regardless of atoms. But maybe when you're the champion have to do a lot more traveling. I I don't know what's gonna happen. But I don't foresee myself leaving anytime soon, so your entire life is that I also do believe part of that life is no plastic bottles. No paper towels. You're big environmental guy. Right. But why I never I knew about the plastic bottle. What's wrong with paper towels? They're just wasteful, man. We don't need to use them. You know, everything like we go through we go through all of our days just using stuff that we don't need to use. You know, it's crazy like especially being in New York City. I'm walking around looking all big buildings. Imagine all of the trash that he's people are used. One paper towel after use the bathroom, you go to the bathroom five times a day, you wipe off your hands every person in New York does that that's a lot of paper towels one day. You know what I mean? So that last year my New Year's resolution was no plastic bottles. Then couple months ago, I was using paper towels. I was like manna really needs to be using all of these tiles. I just try to eliminate as much waste as I can't do 'cause there's a lot of people on the planet now and the planets kinda dying because we're using all of the using all of the resources, and it's very overpopulated. We don't need to be doing all of this. But I'm a little bit radical and a lot of ways. I also try not to eat a lot of meat except when I'm in training camp and stuff like that. It's about balanced to it's not like if I see someone use a plastic bottle, or whatever I'm gonna I'm gonna yell at them. And give them a big deal. I'm not like a hit eat. But I try to like not be ways on in in whatever way that again, I respect it. Wow. I honestly, I didn't think of it that way. So you just do you do the air dry, or what do you do like, you don't use my pants respect it? Yeah. Wow. It gone pretty much before you got the handle leave anyways. That's true. Okay. I also noticed on your Instagram to I like to go into the rabbit hole. You say job less a lot on Instagram. Is there a particular reason for that because I've used that term before? But is like is that religious thing or just a joke for you job last? Yeah. I I love Jamaican people, man. Today. I I wouldn't consider myself. Maybe like a religious person. I think that's a pretty loaded word, I think God is very loaded word. I definitely have my beliefs in in certain areas of that which we don't really need to go into now because it's gonna get away weird. I show enough. I'll save you guys that one. But now job I did I did emission ship. When I was in high school. Or maybe I was in college. I forget when it was. But I just remember job bless out there job less. I went to trade Lana Jamaica, everyone job jobless job last night is brought back. I like the word Jolla bit more than God. It's not as loaded. So yet Gile John's just a different word that I used for God a little bit less loaded word. She's great, you know, at first clients here. Just Corey San Hagen skip by the way, five eleven one thirty five at some point. You're going to have to go to one forty five. Right. I mean, you can't keep doing this. Now, do thirty five's not bad for me. Really? Yeah. Well, I mean, it sucks. But I mean, it is what it is. You know, it's it's not terrible. Like, I feel like I much better way than of other people did. But. No, I I it's really not that be honest. It's really weird. It was tougher when I was a lot heavier, but I kind of like a much healthier lifestyle now on that was when I was in college, I didn't like just eating sandwiches Britos all day in college like losing weight was much harder than now. Everything's a lifestyle for me. Really? I don't I don't eat a lot of desserts anyways like eating like unhealthy for me. Today was like bagels and lox. You know, like, I'm not I I live good like whom lifestyle and very five. Isn't that bad? I'm I'm actually really punked. On on able to perform really, well and still be athletic because it wasn't always like. Okay. So let me ask you this. You keep rising those amend named TJ Dilshad who kind of gave you a shot early on when you're just an amateur. Brought you out train perhaps, you know, took you under his wing so to speak you keep rising. He's still the champ. Would you fight him? Yeah. Of course, man. I just competitor. I'm a competitor. And the UFC can sell that to like, obviously, that's my mind if you times people make that joke all the time. But of course, I fight him. I think he'd of course, fight me as well. You know, we're we're, but we understand that this is competition. And and we did not under the lights, it'd be really fun under lights and Cory great stuff. He came out there. I know you weren't fighting the opponent that you wanted to fight originally became out there. You did the thing he kicked off this era and very big way. A lot of people really excited about that. It was a fun way to start the whole thing. Congratulations on the victory. Congratulations on remaining undefeated UFC. It's been a lot of fun to see you slowly. But surely rise up the ranks. And I'm looking forward to seeing what you do next and throughout this year. And then some so thanks for stepping up on on short notice to fight that that newcomer Mario Batista. Thanks for doing this first time on the program. This is big first of many. Yeah. Thanks a lot area. Joblessness jobless my bra. There is the great Corey San Hagen stopping by. Now, I'm never going to be using paper towels. I'm so I'm. Mm so neurotic about these things. Now, he really made me feel bad. Because quite frankly, I do use paper towels. I feel like a lot. I'm a little weird like that. So now, I feel bad about that whole thing. And now, I won't I won't plastic is tough know plastic bottles. Very easy paper towel. Maybe I'll I'll work on that one. I okay, great stuff from Corey San Hagen pre sheet that very much we'll be talking to some other fighters that competed on Saturday in Brooklyn momentarily, but first let's take a time out and say Hello to our next guest. Mid last week. I reported that at the pet will in fact, be moving up to one hundred seventy pounds, and he will be fighting Stephen wonderboy Thompson, March twenty third in the main event of the US's return to UFC excuse me to Nashville, Tennessee, UFC fight night. Nashville to be exact this is interesting stuff wanna hear from one Anthony Pettus about how this all went down. And why he's moving up to one seventy let's say Hello to Showtime who standing by Anthony. How are you? I'm doing great. Okay. So that's the big question. Why are you moving up to one seventy to fight man? Like, I wasn't like something across my mind. I want one seventy one seventy my manager Abe was like, you know, there's a opportunity to fight wonderboy. If you're interested in moving one seventy I think that at a couple of times like taking up there to see I feel but that fight specifically something that I want. I wanna I wanna find a guy that you know, when I see him play. I mean, I I the guys talent. Luckily, I loved the way he just kept the traditional martial arts that made it successful in the cage, and I come from a background. So from me interesting matchup, and it's the Hugh said, okay. So like right now here, we are what like around two months away from the fight. How much do you weigh ninety right out? Oh, wow. And is that typical in between fights. We'll actually after the after the hand in her, man. I I couldn't do a lot of Spar a lot of training hot on the hand you. So it's like, you got come back, and I know start trying to cut down to five again or this. Interesting time. Now is the opportunity presented itself. I love the match up. My obviously do to match up do coach against twice house. So he definitely had enough time to study him. He knows my strengths and I'm easily confident high also confidence. Probably took his fight. And so we made the play happen, right? You mentioned Duke Duke did an interview with them may junkie. And he said that he feels like he's almost been preparing you for this kind of opponent for quite some time. Do you feel the same way? Like, you feel like this is the kind of style that you've been preparing for. And if so why do you feel so comfortable against this kind of style. Grew up doing I await more time on the Matt doing wanna points that I do mix even though later in my life. I started to know the wrestling and kickboxing, but one of those my come from I been doing it since five years old. So it's kind of like a test for me is my my traditional slows this interest kills in the octagon. And is this someone that you've actually sat down and watched and said like, oh, you know, one day in the midst of being at one fifty five even one forty five probably not on your radar? But did you ever think this would be a fun guy to fight? My first couple of flights in in my career at one seventy I fifty five. So I thought it was before I know how to find that way class. And and the way it knows I feel like right out of the time for me, you know, trying to try out now hundreds of pounds without that winter without having a get down one hundred fifty five pounds of then perform the next night. Let's see how I. Better against than top five in the world about like, nobody the fifteen twenty hour about there have fun tough. I bite Seattle. How's your hand feeling? Manahan is good actually. So I had a hairline fracture on doctrine Baggies, though. I advise me if I get surgery, it would be a long time out or we can see the cortisone shot which went the cortisone shot route, no pain, then you know, you you should be okay to compete in our training. And we did that like about a month ago. And but we did we did the test under the month. I've been punching three four weeks, and it's just one. Okay. No surgery. No surgery. Okay. Well, did you think initially that you need surgery? Why keep breaking the same same spot in the same same parts? Like, I like that the second overhand right in, you know, the top of the head all that pressure on that one knock on in that same here practice. So it's a it's a it's a technical fix, and, you know, being do clean it up and shut that that rights, you know, laser right now. So you actually think it's a technical error that keeps doing it. Not like the wear and tear on that particular knuckle. It there's wear and tear. But I mean when a on the hill comes back in star. But for me, it's just way over when I'm throwing my overhand way. All the pressure's going on that one going fans they made a hit hard objects like that. And and my knuckles give it. Okay. I haven't talked to since the Ferguson fight. Have you watched it? I have. It's fun fighting for trading because I felt so good in their mouth. How again I felt. I felt I felt like just getting obviously service tough guy. Many eat. He that pressuring brings I needed my right hand and render right all after watching Duke made the right call without that. Right. Hang on one of the outer took name keep him off relive their ahead. You're talking about the fact that Duke actually called off the fight right in between the second. How did that go? 'cause that's a very rare thing in our sport. We don't you know, it's controversial we've seen it with Pennington the corners actually convincing her to remain. She's trying to get out of the fight. How did that discussion? Go between you two. Discussion. I think we haven't understanding, you know, he knows my body. And and who I am. I mean, it was career the handset happening match Halloween five on the back. When when I went south same punch of style that one that one no go broken a hallway broken Holly. And then after the Holloway fight it just kept like injuries Jane Miller weekend hairline fracture. Then who's last night? So I mean, you know, he's been we've we've been there before fought with broken hands. Tony's guy fight what's broken hand or elbows more or more cuts more issues. Like, it's kind of a I could probably sit around there are trying to outgoing kick one. What could happen? I think you know, at this point in my career where with where I think he knows specimen. Okay. So if he didn't stop the fight, do you think you actually would have gone out there? Or would you have told them you're done almost if I'm if I'm fight like I trust my folks that much I trust my team that much Duke seen me with a different shoulder in and we fought before. But now I at the same time at the advice. You know, I he's my kosher reason. So you know, there was no I didn't disagree with him. I mean, he made the call heals us watching from the outside. He knows what k- rotea knows my skills. He knows how hard I try and and he he made the call. And that's why do you think more coaches don't do that? Why do you think that such uncommon thing in our sport for you know, it's so common boxing? Between making your show money or you're showing went on. But they're not they're showing win money isn't that much money? So it's like h you wanna do you wanna be able to have another training camp pay all your bills or a give that kind of making? I'm just gonna out there and get my win money. So I think and maybe there is not that come with coaches yet. I've literally Duke since my first fight in the any kind of art martial arts. So maybe another another issue so happy that you said that Anthony because I've been banging this Trump for the last couple years and people have said, oh, you just care about the money. You're just talking about the money. No, I feel like the pay structure in this sport. Unlike in boxing, leads to the corners to have to make this decision based on finances or not and say, look, I don't wanna rob this fighter of half of his money. So let them go out there. See what happens throw a hell, Mary, maybe he wins. So that I don't get blamed. But that's an impossible spot to be in. If you're a coach, right? It's almost unfair to put the coach in that position. Because of the pay structure, if we had just one purse you show, you get paid what you're owed. Then I think we'll see more of those stoppages. Correct. Correct. I think you're gonna take your body because you know, snow have another opportunity, and it's not this isn't like, boxing, boxing punching. Tussin and out tough. You're being smart like stopping the fight. You know drive. You got ten cents upgraded wits about you. And Mitch Laurence ref has that decision. So I think a lot of coaches the rest, stop it. And and let's see what happens if you get hit a bad hit here. That's right. And then you don't get blamed up until that point. What did you make the fight in your performance in the fight? Man. I had a great time. I I through some stuff to you know, some crazy stuff off the cage elbow punch, whatever he through eveland some big shots. I big job. I draw them. I heard him. It was a fun fight. And I think we wouldn't fight of the us. So I think you to. Obviously, I I hate the fact that I came up short. I I definitely winning that fight living so much more. But it just it just reminded me of how I should to their, you know, pressure off going there for form and try to try to finish these guys go out there. And she's got you told me before the flight that you were just you know, that you had a mental block. The mental block is is over here. You're just having fun. You're fearless out. There. Did you feel like you fought that way and has that now carried over into the even though you didn't win at it didn't prove to be victorious knife. You do still feel that same way heading into this challenge. Outfielder. I feel even more better like after after that flight and after seeing it again. How you know that kind of that kind of show. I mean, obviously damage, but I just like my training better. Now, you're not in my training carpeted. My my ability to fight anywhere. Not pointing like this guy. I'm fighting. You know, he has a great stand up. Great range of I think we breakdown skills. I beat him. Restraints boxing. I think I'm better coursing Tertia that that's factor veteran I remember when BJ Penn win up to one seventy and it didn't seem like he took the training seriously because he didn't have to cut all that much more weight. How do you balance not having to cut the weight and put yourself, but still be in the best shape possible? Even though you get to now fight with fifteen more pounds. A lot of my training was hindered. Because I didn't so much cardio like to get down to one hundred fifty five pounds of my travels running, and I'm like actually running the rule of on more to Spar more. So I feel I feel. Not long time. So I I feel very good in your winning. Right. When does that start has it started yet? Ready yet we ACOG on. You know, what a sham still fast. No I had to speed. I have the ability in out on this guy. So that's. So in your mind is this just a pit stop. Or is there chance you look and feel good? And now your new home is one seventy what are you thinking early on? Definitely not my new home. That are here at once been asking, for example. I know what that what the top division brings. And now, I I'm I'm realistic about it in front of aspirin. That's like on like, he's not gonna wrestle me. Maybe he will. But I just like he he's not good enough for me. Like, I might just be that for the. For the for the striking show. I feel like that's what I won't. I won't have great strike match. When guy was gonna paint before Ligo. Anthony, what do you make of the state of your brother's career because it seems like the one twenty five kind of in limbo right now, and he had to move up to maybe remained in the UFC. Maybe that's not the best way. Maybe one twenty five was better for him. He does have a win over just a benefit is. Is it frustrating to see him kind of nano struggling to find a home here when it did see Mckee Hata home at one twenty five and was doing pretty well. These days. After the this weekend. Who knows what happened vision that this night out five in the world. I think it makes sense for him. If that division. But but. We gotta wait till here. Dollars the US. We we have no idea. What if it saying? The rumors. Trying to get a pair for what we eat. We sure. So if they do keep it like if Henry didn't fact save the division. Do you think is chance he goes back down to one twenty five? I I can't speak for him. But I I would like him to I think in that sense that and his career at definitely mentions which is off to get that spot. And kinda just had to give it up. He lost it because the US he was a haven. I do it anymore. Right. Well for you next. It's one seventy March. Twenty third Nashville what a fun fight just sort of like a dream match. If you will fund fight for the fans to guys with great styles going toe to toe, it's going to be a lot of fun. I appreciate the time. Anthony, good luck and training. Good. Look in the fight about there is Anthony Showtime peds. So he has fought at one forty five in the US. Of course, he has fought at one fifty five in the and now he is fighting at one hundred seventy pounds. Wow. Who saw this coming? I certainly did especially not after a fight against Tony Ferguson. But it is going down March twenty third in Nashville, Tennessee, he moves up to one seventy to fight a man as he mentioned his coached Duke Rufus knows a lot about train. Turn Woodley to fight him twice a very complex. Lex puzzle. If you will Steven wonderboy Thompson. And now, let's talk to Steven wonderboy Thompson, it's fun when it's back to back like this. Stephen Thompson standing by Steven. How are you? Glad to be on the show with you. I appreciate it very much. So I was like when I first read about this. I was like what wonderboy against Showtime. This doesn't make any sense. What was okay? First of all, how did you find out that this was actually a potential thing? I was actually going on vacation. I was going on a snowboarding trip in Denver, and I literally landed off the plane in my phone phone off airplane mode, and my phone was blowing up, and it was like, you know, I was seeing of things that was coming out of the airport getting my luggage. And I was like what a saying Anthony Pettus, Colin calling me out. You know, this is the guy that at one forty five it would have been one fifty five, and he's MS just re weight classes, you're dumping up. And you're not just calling. You know, anybody out your calling one of the top five ranking guys in the division while I'm like, it's surprising. The really did surprise me. But you know, at the same time, I got really cited I've been trying for the past five six months threat to get a fight. I was trying to push for Lawler. We were throwing already a out. There auto was gonna fight punt media last this past weekend that didn't happen. Often. You know, we on Edwards said he had some problems might pan. Nothing's nothing's happening man who gonna fight. And then then he meows I, hey, I'll take anything. And and this actually it's exciting with those excellent. You know, this is another guy that trains with them. You know, Thomas coach coach Rufus in. You know, I guess they figured out though. I think that's why he's calling me out. So it's interesting to hear you break it down that way because I feel like a lot of fighters in your case in your position top-five would say what's there for me to gain by fighting a guy who smaller coming up? So I'll ready. There's the crutch there who's not even ranked in my weight class. You know in the fans is or maybe the US's is it's not a top for, you know, everyone wants to fight someone who's ranked above them. Did you have to be convinced that you have to convince yourself that someone else have to convince you to ultimately say, yes, no to be honest with you. I was just excited just to be offered a fight. You know, it's very hard right now to get out of the top five. You know, let alone somebody below me, which wasn't happening ponds Avia just didn't wanna fight. And I know there's other fighters out there. But they had they had they had already had booked up. But you know, I'm just I was excited just to just to get something. You know, it's been almost seven months since I've stepped on the gone since Liverpool. I know I had a knee injury then and that was healed up months ago. And I just want to step out in and perform and do what I love to do. And that's fine. No matter who with how is the knee. Are you a hundred percent now? Oh, yeah. Hundred percent man that that last Andrea had with those psychic Spain in the knee. I've had a four need surgeries on the knee. And for some reason this just took a lot longer to heal. I don't wanna say I'm getting older. But yeah, a while for the swollen to get down. Just to be a hundred percent before I can actually start training, really hard. So, but I've been back at an an for for for awhile. Now, we've had guys here at our gym have fights coming up and. You know, the past few months, I've been in shape, and I'm ready to rock wall. And you didn't have surgery on this on this need this time. Right. No, no. It was just a torn L, which I thought it was I thought it was something I we I thought it was meniscus positive set the longtime for hill, but we had an MRI on. It was just an NC L. And thank goodness. It was just an MTO. Do not wanna go under the under the you know, the needle again or the the the scope again. So I, you know. Thanks. They get it's been. To do that. How frustrating has the last few months been in the sense that you are ready? You're coming back. You felt like you were robbed and Liverpool. And now, no one wants to fight. You known wants to return the favor. That's got to be a little gnawing. Right. Yeah. You know, it is. It is definitely frustrating. I figure that I'm kinda pretty bad situation. I'm right number four five paddle twice. Nobody really been out below me wants to fight. There's you know, I guess it's just a tough match up to them. You know, try and make that Trump to the title. Although I'm considered the gatekeeper at the moment. But I I don't have that mindset. I'm going for the title again. I'm not giving up on. So whoever have to fight to get there. I know, you know, Anthony pedestals always Amen. I I was impressed watching his last by Tony Ferguson. I was there actually played side watching that do this guy is showman mean, this guy's got great striking and unrest. The mated jitsu. He submitted some really high level guys. So it's not like, I'm not going out. There was somebody unskilled guy smaller than you doesn't mean. We can't put you away. I mean, I I roll with you know, Ryan hall, and he's he's a small guy. He's schools me on the ground. You know? So it's like. I'm not I'm not taking this guy. I'm not taking him lightly at all did you consider when you couldn't get someone to fight you consider going up to one eighty five. You know, I there was some talk about doing that a lot of people ask me to go to one eighty five, but I'm not dumb walkway division. You know, I told myself when I win that title. I'll go one eighty five and see what what's what's there, you know? And if if Whitaker still has the title end, and you know, maybe have a rematch. Then as you know, I think I was his last one point seventy fight his last loss, I believe so, but you know, that's that may in a world. For now, though, you feel obviously most comfortable one seventy and Anthony just told us he was on right before you that he feels like he has been preparing and Duke has been preparing for this kind of style matchup his entire life because he comes from that taekwondo background. Do you see what he's saying? Do you feel like? You feel like you're fighting a mirror image of yourself. If you look at just the way, he strikes the background that he comes from to feel that way. Or do you think that he's maybe taking you for granted? No. I think he we do have a similar style. I that you know, we do have. An exciting style too. I mean, he's definitely got some highlight reels behind him some knocked out reels. And I think so you know, he's he's been used to this. I think to be honest with anybody wants to division. He's probably the best prepared for this for for my style. You know, this is so similar this is another reason why I'm excited because I wanna see what he brings to the table. I wanna know why he thinks he's got me figured out just because tyrant tyrants, different fighter. He's not the same fighter. And even then I don't think Farah beating you know, especially that second fight yet. They had changed. Some things about is going to be a little more aggressive, but that was doing my far enough because he had gotten any better. He's still the same fighter. I could see why he thinks he's got me figured out. But. The NCAA nothing yet. So you kinda roll your eyes a little bit. When when you hear Duke Rufus say that he has the playbook to be too. Yeah. I mean, you know, he likes to think that. Yeah. He his brother. I mean, he's done to pick off from party background. But you can say that until you stuff out of the, you know, until you stuff out there, and you still it it is it is it is a different. It's a different feeling than it, really. Is. I, you know, growing up. I've thought guys, you know, at our gym with that with that style and probably are better than I am never top that rather than I am. It is most frustrating thing I've ever had to deal with we've got a guy now nobody call read like two five and two five of that moves like he's going to be one of those guys making the of C. But you know, it's it's very frustrating. Especially with the die that you know, he's six four. He's he's a lot bigger than me. And I have a hard time with him. You know, so it it's different in. He's going to be. He's not gonna be prepared. I don't think he's not gonna be prepared. So tiring fights, of course, on March second gets Comorros Mun giving your position the fact the of those two fights against him one draw one loss officially are you hoping and praying that camario wins that fight. So that it opens it up for you that because for for for now, it seems like as long as he holds the belt. It's gonna be tough to get that third crack, right? Yeah. Most definitely for my career. I you know, I would want Kamar Houston to win. But man tire is just another animal is he's another Emma. His wrestling is very good. I think better than any of the guys that that men has faced I believe that tyrant striking is he's very explosive. They're both have their hands full. But for my career Yao would want would want to win. It seems like that the top of that division is a mess. Lot of drama. They're not it will right. I mean, not your style. It's just a lot going on over there at the top between him loose Mohan Covington. Yeah. And then and then you got another high level wrestler into make now I mean asking yes, that's the the top ten in the top five is just screaming with just high level wrestler high level which which is excited to make. I gotta keep I gotta stay on my game. I gotta keep the volving keep getting better at that. You know? So, of course, my forte is striking. Everybody knows that these guys know I'm gonna stand in front of this guy. I better be on par. I wanna. This guy to the ground. They're prepared for that. So there's a lot of guys in that vision. But they said if a lot of drama like what ex like what's going on for the past six months like I have no idea what's going on. What's next for me? What's next for the welterweight division? You know, it's gonna find a nose. Got her hand is gonna fight us men. I don't know all the drama, but it's crazy by the way, speaking of aspirin, he's fighting Robbie Lawler next. And I saw the reports that you are scheduled to fight him. What happened with that fight? I have no idea. Okay. For for a second. There. I thought it was going to happen. We'll talk with you have see we even talking to his management. I felt we felt like it was gonna be ago. And then literally overnight we find out he's financing, and I'm like. One thing that I knew the fans were behind it. It was actually I was in New York City. There for think prescribes fight when I found out, and I found out he was actually going to be the one fighting Lawler. I'm like now who am I gonna fight, you know, finance though? Yeah. Man for for about a month there. I was for sure for sure thought I was we were going to be doing out. So it may still happen. You know, if you goes out there and brings out the the old Robbie Lawler and put away asking we we still may be fighting or asking beaten on eighty high national it's up in there. I have no idea who knows while fighting that. But you know, it it's this is a fun division. It's the most snack division and the OC glad to be a part of it. I wouldn't wanna be a part of the the weakest of vision, and the UFC, you know, just be able to say that I've bought the best is in the world. You know that doesn't for me. That's awesome incurred from wrong. You're supposed to fight on the card this past weekend in Brooklyn. Right. Wasn't that the original plan that was the original plan? We we've thought it was going be excuse me, positive and literally. The getting closer and closer became three weeks out. No word. We finally talked the management. They were like not by you don't wanna fight. So. You know, say to you know, we'll see what happens. We'll see what we can find out, and then you days lighter. Anthony pet is calls me out. So here we are. Your style is not one where in correct me. If you feel otherwise where size length plays a factor but size. I don't know. If it plays a factor in your style. But in this particular fight, I feel like you will have a size advantage over him. Are you going to try to utilize that in the fight? You know, what I would be soup if I did. But when it comes to striking become. Which I will become a stand up by. He may look for a takedown I'll be fair for that. But if the does become end up striking match, you know what I fought boxing. I weighed probably when eighty four one eighty five our jump up to one ninety five even in close to two hundred guys. It did matter still not out. So to a striking game. If you're able to close that gap on me, then I don't think size matter. But that's that's the especially to high level stripe is gonna be the game. That's gonna be the chess match is going to be the distance management. Who has the better faints to let those kicks in those hands land who's going to be able to move in and out in town reach other. You know? No, he's gonna be looking to counter me. I'm gonna be looking to counter him. But. That's what makes this fight. So exciting. I think he's gonna be trying to throw his his flashy techniques, and I gonna be doing the same. He's not going to beat. He's not going to be with the flashing this. I love it. I I'm getting two months away. And I'm getting say, and my correct in reading that you think you'll finish them in the first round. Did you say that you know, what I said I said. That that could happen. Yes. If I that could definitely happen in the first round, I feel like I I have more. I have more power. I think I've I have the better striking. If it goes the way I wanted to go definitely have. But you know, I always look for the the worst possible when prepare for fight I'm here for five five around war. I think everybody knows that. I think I proven that. When I stepped out there that I'm not giving up. But you know, if they're not there, it's there, you know, I'm gonna go for it. But I never looked for. I think I can I think I can I can land those fix Landau spots to be able to finish him in the first trial. That said, you know, unprepared for whatever I'm prepared for five gruesome war, by the way, congrats on that deal. What's the name of the company is at van Husson TJ, those that's a cool commercial banks. Did you watch it during the past shows, it may get thrown to the desk with you know, what that was a really cool experience. It took literally Friday Saturday Tobel whole week in second video six AM like eleven o'clock AM at night. It was awesome. That we did our own stunts. But we had we had our own stunt doubles waiting the bag. You know, like they're like we're doing this ourselves like a dream come true. You know, you you go up wanting to be in an action video, you know. So my whole. You know, my whole thing was I wanted to get I was more excited to get into a desk than actually being in commercial and. We had one desk to get Brown phone into. We didn't have we we only had one top. And it had to be perfect. And then we crushed. It was often and Li like now, so I you have a very busy afternoon because the kids get at a school like so three o'clock or so what are you doing? I wanna know what a Stephen Thompson. You're actually at school. If I'm a kid growing up in South Carolina. I could just go train with you right now is that is that accurate. You can actually today. Martin yet grad school that we have karate him going on. And I just let are trampling art where we were there or about two hours dumping around having a good time had a buddy mining a little early. So I can actually hang out with you on that was on the way back crowded school. They're probably there right now. They're probably being there. So yeah, man were party. We're having a good time. We got classes happened around four o'clock though. Yeah. You weren't in school. We hanging out with me. And you having a good time. How lucky are these kids? Unbelievable. We are very much. You are lucky man. I fight for the fun of it. Like, the money's the bonus. I could stop fighting right now enjoy doing what I do. Teaching classes just just knowing that. I have you know, these kids look up to me, and and have a really cool positive, you know, influence in their lives and to see these kids grow up, and you know, we've got kids who've been taking their since they were three they're twenty five. Now, it's it's awesome Sienese kids grow up. So the fighting is just the owner span does anything ever get you upset like you ever get annoyed about anything? Are you always so positive and happy not enough sleep? Okay. I got to get at least a good thirteen hours on Chechnya's. I sleep. I know nobody is if I don't get Mosley. I'm not I'm not a morning. Okay. And yeah, I don't know. I think just doing what I do. And I love doing what I do. So what else? Could you ask for nothing? You know, if I do get frustrated, I take it out of the bag or sparring partner. And then after that, I'm also unbelievable. We need more people like you in this world. Stephen owes grades catch up with you what a fun fight March twenty third. Nashville Tennessee, Anthony, Pettus moving up from one fifty five to one seventy to fight wonderboy Thomson. That's going to be a great one at treat for the fans in Nashville. Thanks so much for doing this. Enjoy the rest of your day with the kids, and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you. My friend is definitely all right? There is the one and only Stephen wonderboy Thompson. So that card is is filling up Stephen Thompson, Anthony Pettus Curtis blades. Justin Willis, Macy barber random Marcos on the card against Angela hill. Macy Barbara JJ. Aldrich. By just a says, I just said Alexis Davis against Jennifer Maya sodas rapidly filling up that's the March twenty third card. There's March thirtieth card in Philly. That's the one where karate Hadi's fighting Carleen Koba, cave, rich. There's also the March sixteenth card in London which last week. It was announced Darren till is going to be headlining that one against one Jorges Mazda. Also Leon Edwards fighting the combing event against one Gunnar Nelson. Speaking. Of the United Kingdom. Let us talk to our next guest would a big win for her this past Saturday against one Addy Lipsky. In fact, she was the underdog going into that fight a UFC veteran going into a fight against that. You have see debutante and she was the underdog. You don't put Joe Joe two point. Oh as an underdog, you know, put the pride of Scotland as an underdog you don't put someone who got their hair did at a Brooklyn barbershop as the underdog, and they ended up being robbed because she won in very dominant fashion a dominant decision three no since moving up to one twenty five and knocking on that title shot door. She's the one and only JoAnne Calderwood who joins us right now via the magic of Skype there. She is JoAnne. How are you? And where are you? I I'm an central part. Gosh, you're still in New York. Yes. I'm here to lens is a not freezing up there. Yes. Are you? My gosh. And you're doing this outside. I feel horrible. Yeah. Especially for you. 'cause it's pay hill. Like, and I'm here. Mom, John's months over night sporting the same time. But do you regret doing the interview now outside? Yeah. I've been pushed for new guys called me my phone stock to play enough in. I think it was a cold that was egging to phone Punto to ten percent battery night. So. Second half divided on whom I gosh. Okay. So we'll make this by the way. Sorry. I didn't know you're outside, and I feel horrible. I feel so guilty by the way Scotland is a part of the UK my wrong right on that one. Okay. For the second one. I said it I felt like wait a second that I just say something wrong. Always get confused about what's in the UK. What's not Ireland Northern Ireland? So I just wanted to make sure JoAnne. Congratulations on the win. I feel like that was one of your more complete dominant performances in the you have C, and I feel like I say that every time that you have these winds, but this one maybe the Latorre, no fight. But this one it felt like from the from the get-go your dominant, you're aggressive. You put it all together. Do you feel the same? I was I was so nervous. But into that, eight MAC campus, the best package have had but in pay to worst camper the hat, and I. I had my tool. Michael netflix. I'm the main cause I can keep it New York matching wouldn't light Matete. My also I had that in back in my mind that I was gonna have John Jones moment, look say baby tool is like facing the other way. But yeah apart. It was good dominant performance. And I'm too. Detriment? Did you consider pulling out of the fight? Not for a second like. Okay. And what happens you're so how did you break? It. Scrambling and get caught in the Matt. Oh, no, that's horrible. And so is that why it was the worst camper did other things happen as well. Things were hasn't got cold. The cold like feet Hanes. It was the worst time of the year. I'm sure everyone else in the fired was loom the same less. You are like ROY. Did you just call the Colt or a cold? I got that. Call. I never heard anyone say the cold. I've heard the flu. But I never heard the cold before is that a Scott Scottish each thing. Yes. Okay. And did it bother you that you the underdog? Did you feel disrespected? No. I just believe them myself and yell hours. A Campos have knows that you know, like. Yeah, underdog, and I was like people were Clement in fitting on Twitter, the hours gonna get my. Assets and stuff, but then do that or sport is not the part, Allah. But it's an Nike mega seventy. But then the as part of the sport. I myself in have them team. So that's all in what about her? Do you feel like she's a little over hype? Now that you've been in there with her. Oh, yeah. Sin as we watched our fight. We knew exactly what she was gonna do. And I do fitness she was back to board. And I mean, she's young enough in she she has got a lot of potential, so yeah, I hope that I thought her and she was on these. Yes, he actually wants to join I have to admit, by the way. How's the the battery doing? Oh percent. One percent. Okay. I feel like this is a race against the clock to win. I was very nervous while watching your fight because I I know about the haircut curse on embedded. And I felt like if you had a lost everyone would blame me because we went to the barber shop together. Now, I feel like I deserve a lot of the credit for your victory because I took you to the right place. Did you feel different? Did you feel better with that haircut? It was all on yet. Thank you. Thank you wanted to hear. Thank you. Thank you. I was waiting for you to actually sit as we're looking at our trip to the barbershop. That was a lot of fun. Did you enjoy it? I love that. In fact, you exposure, everyone all fans FTE them the NFL too. They really enjoyed that side fish, it you taking the payment patching at TI ESPN ESPN actually wanting to do it. So. Thank you so much for that though. Prominent and the whole barbershop watched you fight the first time they ever watched a UFC fight before they were all cheering for you. I just wanted you to know that. Another three or four fans. Yes. At least at the very least, and maybe they told to people, and they told to people, and they told people and so on and so forth. That's a Wayne's world joke. I don't know if you ever say, you were Wayne's world. Do they have that? And startling. They don't have that is very nerve wracking. So I feel like the thing is gonna die any second on me here. Okay. So okay. So you got the victory was dominant disappointed that you didn't finish her in the first round. Because it looked like you had a Cup opportunities there. It does that then get stopped because that's the one thing that I was thinking when how they imagine. Thanks in. Like a near fall the Selfridge one. I lens. So you told me you needed to get three stoppages to try to leapfrog. Jessica I feel like now that you didn't get the stoppage. You're not going to leave Prague her. No. I just thought that because. Have a kiss or that argument? But. I mean, I just put there and see what happens. I just saw. But. But. Hit on natural and cheese. Go we both won and same, Sean. I'm goes out. Right now at this one spot guest things about on happened. Then I forget that onto the next hour. Take a bit of a shot at your cardio. And then your response was quite funny as well. He said how about cardio on your face or something like that? She didn't really take the bait. But wh what was she saying? Did you have cardio issues in the fight? I think that's like I was I was I was tired that. There is pressure on felt and I just felt I was before the site after them. Tired? Mariah guests cats capsules a hard one is probably more campus in the fight. But I mean, I was everyone get fired enough. I my car do. I don't I do see. Was it hard to run because you had a broken toe to to lose weight. I offer songs that it up. It was fame. Let's go. Interesting. So so so it looks like Jessica's going to get the title shot. It seems or at least that's what she's saying. I think Dana white alluded to that as well. So if not just the one you want patrons at. Anyone? That's how soon you wanna come back. Like, you think he may be the London card? Yeah. We'd get school from March. Okay. That would be good. And by the way, I have to say your corner just keeps getting cooler and cooler. I you add Roxanne Mata fairy whose pound for pound along with you, maybe the nicest people in the game. And now you've got Sarah Kaufman. Fellow Canadian in the mix as well. I feel like you're really developing like like an all nice dream team here like just the nicest people in a corner like the most the least intimidating nicest corner in the history of the sport. Yeah. No egos Mets for training. It's awesome. I went to gym every day at this. I just love that at these Garrard's like, especially Oxana everyday. She's my Fussell everyday we get in. We get to our yet. We leave our egos at site in. To fit. I've always wanted that in my we have always wanted always wanted someone this like me. Trinh in. Fake for does this the first time that you have an extended stay in New York City that you get to go out and be a tourist. Koffler. But this is the first time I've been left, my mom, my mom taught to meet Jordan. John mums ourselves. Kinda killed for that. But you have been here before done the terrorist things that I'm actually today again, he's guys. Wait a second. This is a big deal. This the first time that your mom meets John, John your coach and significant others. It's the first time. Whoa. So what's as what happens? Live from home in. Your mom to your size. So what's the assessment? What is she saying? She happy she pleased with your choice. Yeah. We haven't really had that can't get that out together. Yes. That's right. You can really have that private time. But are you feeling like everyone's meshing? Well, I mean, I know to nerve racking thing, right? Before and stuff. So it's not it's just like face to face of met is the first time that you meet his mom now. At she's in Vegas. But I suspect it's the first time the moms meet each other. Oh my gosh. There's so much going on here is a lot of pressure more. I feel like I would be nervous one because that's fair pay shut prefer. Wall spray. Right, right. But I feel like that's more nerve racking than the actual fight itself. Just having you know, having all the family together. Well, everything's good. Good is this is this awkward for you that I'm talking about this John is holding the phone right now. Do you have any issues? John with anything that I'm saying here, no dog good and congratulations to you on the victory as well. I get it all out there, by the way, it should be noted. John wood turning into one of the very best coaches in the game. Whatever he's doing over there at syndicate MMA, you are really turning into in my opinion. One of the best coaches in the team and the the atmosphere that you're putting together there. I don't know if you can hear all this at syndicate is is something I think that you should be very proud of so kudos to us. Well, thank you very much. That means a lot. There's no problem. Oh, yeah. Do you want him? You turn it around. Okay. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna keep you away. Because this the longest one percent, by the way, usually what percent. I'm gonna pay. That you know that I'm not lying the as at one percent giving jinx. It do you know how much sweating here too? Because I feel like it's like one of those bombs that's about to like blow up in my kale Kagan has just responded to Twitter as we're doing this interview. And she says she wants you what do you make of that, you know, Caitlyn's UK, India, blonde fighter. Sam's out at the all, right? And. He's she's looking for fate. And yeah, she needs to get back in there. Just saragan. So. But we would take that as well. But obviously it took teen SE about Sam needs to get back yet. What a good team that. I like that. Now, what are we doing in New York? Are we are? We are we crossing off a lot of the food things a pizza and European. What do we do? What do we need to do? While you're here with your family, New York. Yeah. Anytime. Yeah. Anytime thanks all their took his that till last night. But it was like four dollars. And it wasn't very good. It wasn't good. Really those too expensive to bushy. Yeah. Okay. John's pizzerias a great one patsies pizzeria. I don't know which one you went to. But those are some of my favorites. Yeah. We're export in China. Not get trying to not meet Jack frost. Oh, that's so great. I don't know why that made me crack up so much. That's just such a funny things for grownup to say me check frost. And what about any fried pizza any any signs of fried pizza around there? Spot is check shops. But I'll be standing from that, you know, that the story on that. I'm trying to ghetto but throat BB healthy now, right? Brett, how are your cheeks feeling at the moment? They're actually not too bad. It's more my arms feel like. I feel like my bones are hurting cold. All right. Well, I'll I'll leave it at that thing because I really feel actually bad that I'm making you do this. Okay. Inside. Like, I thought we all in and I could eat slick went to the Boatman's. But for it would be a make John Stanton home before coat keeper he is to do this not even complain. Or is he going to give you crap afterwards that you made them do this. Are you choose definitely get crap? Okay. All right. I saw by the way that you got to take a picture of Michael spring. I thought that that was really cool to have the the UK. The UK fighters come together have you ever met him before? I'm a few things that are thought in my yes, see curia in an hadn't seen him away. And yes, so it was killed in. It was killed that he said that Brit Fe and all that good frump limits from him. You're one of the very first fights to happen on ESPN. And I know in Scotland ESPN, isn't as predominant as it is here in America. But did you get a lot of feedback from people saying I saw you on TV ESPN one of the highest watch prelims in six years, JoAnne. This was a big deal. Did you get a lot of feedback afterwards? Yeah. It was real especially part of that. And I was just grateful to get performance in everyone seemed to like the fight. So that was in house the side of the hair looking is growing back or is the design still there angst of the ad just washed my here for the first time. And. It's it's looking good to take a shower after your fight. Shower stuff back at my on. I try and keep Akron was and for as long as possible his Ella. Ever Mahir type that doesn't your her smell then from the sweat. Yeah. Like loss, but I take. Oh, I see. Okay. Interesting. All right. Well, that's something. John has to deal with Brazilian art that oh great. That's nice. That's a nice. That's a nice visual. Well, I'm very happy for you. Joann, what a performance again taking a small bit of credit for just because of the whole haircut thing. 'cause I I don't know if you know this. But I got a lot of crap for it. When when when I put up the video people said, oh, and now she's gonna lose because it's the haircut Kerr. Apparently, this is the thing. I didn't know it was a thing. You know, it was a thing. But you saw that too. Did you see those? What he's talking about. We've never rent per here together and play. No, you haven't. But apparently on embedded when they show someone getting a haircut that person loses. Get it. Yeah. But we've now we've now debunked that myth. So I'm very happy about that. Most importantly happy for your victory now three one twenty five enjoy the victory. Enjoy your time in New York. If you need anything there, I'm sort of the unofficial mayor of New York. So if you have any trouble than anything just give me a call. I'll open some doors for you guys. Thank you everything. Your best sport. Thank you. Join. I pre sheet that congratulations and the best John and your family over. There your mom his mom everyone coming together. It's a beautiful thing. You're the man area. All right. Take care guys there. She is the one and only JoAnne Calderwood Joe, Joe two point. Oh, how do you not love her? She's incredible. And what a big victory for by the way that was the longest one percent of all time. She told me that you know. You know, like what fifteen minutes ago, and I was sweating. I thought it was going to be like a three minute interview. And we made it we actually made it now I feel like I was a little bit sweaty and up against the clock on that one. But in the end, we made it big win for her so Kayla Kagan corporate Jake is telling me Caitlyn Kagan calling out JoAnne. But as you heard just there, she's like, you know, what? No, my teammates gonna fighter I want page. All of a sudden women's flyweight starting to come together. So interesting times they're congrats to her and the team on the victory. Okay. Obviously main event Saturday big story, the fate of the flyweight division. What's going to happen? TJ the one thirty five pound champion coming down to twenty five. So then what's going to happen to the belt at one hundred? But also, then what happens if Henry wins? He ends up winning Zena go up. What happens to the queue of guys waiting for for their shot at the one thirty five? It's a whole big mess of a situation. It's interesting timing wise because the next you see main event happens to be a very important fight at one hundred and thirty five pounds. It happens to be a fight between one Marla Morris and one half L son cell, and this is happening in just two weeks in fourth Eliza Brazil, and how about these numbers here that I got from our friends over at stats and info Muslim rice is getting a chance to revenge his loss against a son sound February second in Brazil, you can watch that by the way on ESPN. Plus Morris is the betting favorite minus two twenty with since coming in at plus one eighty and it is a very important fight in my opinion. Again, a rematch of a fight that was super close. Now the winner I think should be next in line for a one thirty five pound title shot. Let's see what Marlin thinks about this whole situation. I'm curious to get his thoughts. He joins us now via the magic of Skype. Marlin how're you on very good man that talk with you. As always, by the way. How how's the newborn doing carrot good, man? He's doing amazing in everything's great. My house. How's the sleeping? It's good. My wife was taking care of this bar. Okay. Good. So you have this fight coming up in less than two weeks. February second to be exact in fourteen when you leave for Brazil. We are living Saturday, and and we're gonna get there Sunday, you know, just to get everything is it's a little bit hot out there. We just wanna make sure well prepare how far away did you grow up from fort Eliza flowers plane, I'm from the mountains where the Genego in a little bit far. But we're going to have some people go out there and make some noise. I like it now for those that don't know like four two laser what what kind of a place is it what is it like over? There is the jungles it more city. I'm not north north east a good. Dow, you know, it place a lot of people go there for vacation in a lot of people if people from Brazil, listen the show now, and they're going to be there. They should go. It's amazing CD in the show's going to be amazing console. Did you watch the main event on Saturday? All yeah. Yeah. Oh, actually, I believe you were supposed to go. But then the snow situation, it was a bit messy. So you decided to stay at home. I'm not used to with this. And I was scared to drive out there in I ended up not going, but I watch on TV in in that like it was a good buy. It was picked by. And then I just feel a little bit embarrassed, you know, Brown being thirty five heavy our champion going down losing it'll while so you actually felt embarrassed that he only lasted thirty two seconds. That was the feeling. Yeah. Because I'm thirty five rhythm. He's going down representing us in and he lost, you know. And I have a lot of friends under twenty five pound one hundred twenty five pounds division should stick around in. They have a lot of guys. You know? I think Henry he he's bought in. He was there representing all these guys knowing I think, I I wasn't happy, you know, because I'm head when win, and I I love to watch those good fighters fighting, but I I was scouted cheering for Harry win you're cheering for Henry. I'm surprised I thought maybe you cheer for your champion to win. So it strengthens the division yet. But he's going down, you know, he had planted planet challengers. I think on the hundred thirty five in he went out. He went to take what straw somebody else in. It didn't get it. Does this make things 'cause now you're starting to hear? Okay. Henry saying he wants to move up to one thirty five TJ said he wants to go. Oh, back down to one hundred five to get a rematch. Does this make you a little anxious that even if you do in on February second there's going to be more drama that you won't get your title shot? Man. I have a fight ahead of me Rafaelson's craft guy with before in I'm focused on go out there and put the best performance ever had. You know, this is my main goal go out there for form beat the best guy. You guys ever seen in after that? We will see what happened. You know? I think me in buffalo you out with a boat there for the title shot in the let's see after the fight which serves who's gonna get it. What you make of TJ saying again that he wants to do this again. I want twenty five. May I think you should FOX on his own division? You know, FOX on one hundred thirty five a lot of guys, you know, be Rafael Rivera. I'm Starling yours even Corey Dominick Cruz guys man Lineker, many guys many guys many challenges. I eat it can prove himself on this division. Not cutting like excellent bounds on not looking good. You know, like just be healthy to what you always been doing. I think he got planned out here. Do feel like as champion. You almost have an obligation. You know, the the belt doesn't give you that ticket to go up down. Do whatever you want that you have to kind of return the favor and defend the title. Because ultimately when you were coming up you're hoping that the champion was going to do the same. Yeah. If he was going one forty five. That's okay. But you went down you went down one twenty five didn't go off. So in before even when you're saying, you're right about go. What you don't even got the first step in your ready thinking of second one. You know, it's hard. You know, this this sports getting hard. Everybody's good. Everybody's getting read is a matter of one. You know, when you a lot of more way which yourself praises scenarios. You know, it's it's risk. Big risk. You know, what did you think of the stoppage, by the way? I think he that was just the beginning of the end. You know, I think the browser e want just perfect him. Okay. So you had no problem with it. No. I think I think Harry was was there. You know? He was Brockett in area was just gonna keep Bosh. Okay. So you're getting an opportunity to fight a son. So again, I know that when we spoke last time you're a little bit frustrated because you didn't have your fight yet. And you're trying to figure out. Okay. Where do I stand? You're campaigning for title shot. It didn't happen because of TJ going down in the end with them giving you a son sound that opportunity to events that very close fight that you had against them a couple years ago. Were you happy with this? Did you feel like okay? Yes. Yeah. I'm very happy. Big fight bigger tunic, you know, and I just gotta go out dead and put on the show, but what I love, and what have been doing everything training in you guys gonna see very good fight. Have you watched that fight the first fight? And we're looking at some highlights we watch couple times. And I wasn't there. The most important in. I was in. I felt in that, you know. So we ready, man. We'd ready to go out there and take when you watch that fight do still feel like you want. I can say that you know. I just right buying ways that the the judge gave to him, you know, in when I find those ways I I have to give him the victory as you want. But let's go, man. Let's let's do everything different this time in and Victoria's. So since then you've won three fights in the UCLA. You had a split decision win. And then you're to finishes and very impressive finishes afterwards. Do you feel like those are result of now may be being a little more comfortable in the octagon? Dana white in the past has talked about the gun jitters and things like that you Chuck your performance against the sun cell to that to your debut a lot on the line different stage cetera. No excuse, man. Assigns the fight there. You know, it's not easy to bit in. I just went there in and I I pushed myself, you know, I just didn't execute again bland whale. And now, I'm well. Prepare like been harder. And I think we're going to go out there, and we're going to perform result's gonna be a Victor to the best of my knowledge. You have one other rematch on your resume that was against Josh hill. Right. Do you have another one? I think that was the only one here is there something different about fighting someone in that particular case you beat him twice. But just the experience of being in there with someone a second time. Is there something different for you? Does it does it help you as a competitor? Did you like that? Like, you know, it's kind of deja out imagine transfer degree fights the fight, you know, all the same rain gauge in St. how you gonna feel that that Bali, you know, but it's always good to be in there with somebody been before, you know, you know, little bit. But people just get better everyday. You know, you can never expect some fight the next night. You know, we always change in. I feel better now in I'm ready man, ready to get this people have a hard time with a son. So even TJ has a loss against them. He he's he's a tough guy. He's a grinder what lessons did you learn from that I fight against him that you hope to. To maybe do or not do in the second fight got a fight. You know, gotta fight more be me the faster and in win the fight. You know, it's no secret. Not just getting there and be better than than roughly out. Boonies everywhere when you say got a fight like did you feel like maybe you are tentative in the obviously the fight? But what do you mean by that? It's nuts. You know, like say, I was standing that was nervous. You know, you just you just got up perform doesn't matter doesn't matter if you did this lip good. If you you ate in your feel sick, you can have to fight. Anyway. In doesn't matter, you know, with us. That's just gotta get in there and be the best best. You are every day. Is he one of the more frustrating fighters that you find in the past now now offer stay, okay? Because I know people have a hard time figuring out. He's very tough. He's very durable. I know that you are with him in Fortaleza. Right. Didn't you guys do media tour over there recently? Yes with it. What was that like to be around him? Not no problem at all. You know, and he's a fighter you want. He wants to win. I wanna win I respect him affected cheese team, Hispanic. But February second it's about me. You know, I gotta get in that. I gotta win the fight any interactions with them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We got no problem roughly out in just wanna win the fight and doesn't matter. I notice that you call them rough AL, but isn't it hot fail in Portuguese? Or I think they my name my son's name many times. And I think this is why said Rafael. Oh is that your son's name Rafael? Yeah. Oh, wow. But you call them roughly half AL. Me. I don't know. I just I just son. Because I because in Portuguese for those that don't know the are is it's more of an H hoist. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Feel digital he'll dish or not real digital. Yeah. These are things that have learned. Do you feel Marlin like you need to have a spectacular finish? Like the Datsun excuse me. Like the sterling fight like the gym. You're verified to really cement your place like a win isn't enough. Here. You have to have a spectacular finish to feel that way. And just have to me. It just have to be me. And who every day in the end the fight everybody gonna see in. I'm gonna win and I'm gonna I'm gonna get what one, you know. It's it. But you know, as well as I do Marlin that just a victory. You know, you know, this game. It's it's it's a lot of politics. A lot of entertain ws don't count as much right? You have to do spectacular things to get title shot. These days. Man. We're never know. I got a win his tough guy Brahms anything. And the only thing I can promise you guys gonna see me living the best. I have all have. Red second anyone told you yet? What's on the line? Has anyone told you that if you do win this you will get a title shot? Thinks change everyday in this business brain up on you know, we never know. And we just got the time timing know, go out there win whatever comes after comes after. And how about you headlining over legend Josie Aldo? That's a huge honor. Right. You're at the tone. Yeah. The flag. I think I think is a lot on the line to you know. And I don't know if he wants to headline the show, but me and ROY Moore need as a song. It's a pleasure. He had lining discarded the fights going to be great one hundred percent. I'm looking forward to Marlin best of luck to on February second that's in two weeks. And that's on ESPN. Plus did you watch on ESPN plus on Saturday? Did you use the was good? Yeah. Very good. You like to know problems. Right. No problem metal. You were one of many who signed up over five hundred thousand Marlin and all be watching you February second for let let's keep signing. Guys. Let's bring down up in. Let's let's watch the show is gonna be a great. Show February second that's road is some I'll do in Mike Arnaud. I think for the best forty five. That's right. All we lost them there. But I think he was trying to sell us the card, and it was. Marlin. We did we lose your back. He were saying what more is kind of out of for the best Brazilians out there. Right. Elliot's fighters in the world, you know, and the thirty five forty five I have to say this card flying into the radar Damian my on the card as well. Charles Oliveira on the card as well. Johnny Walker who's coming up Livia not Sousa on the car. There's a lot to like on this one. If you're a Brazilian fan and MMA fan in general, it's all headlined by Marla, Mariah versus how Marlin all the best. You good luck. Safe travels looking forward to it. Thank you. Thank you. All right. There is Marlin rice big fight for him on February second in Fortaleza, Brazil. Yeah. Like, I said a lot of attention has been as of late onto thirty two. Of course on the debut, January nineteenth in Brooklyn. This is the next one as far as big as concerned this weekend. We have the finals of the bell to our heavyweight grand prix funeral millionaire co against Ryan Bater for the heavyweight strap the debut of Jake Hager, you've got Aaron PICO on the card AJ is armed debut as well. But as far as you have seized concern, the following week, February second is that card and look at this main card, a son summarize, although McConnell, Damian Maya versus Lyman good, Charles L, VERA versus David taymor. Which is a great fight. Johnny Walker against Justin the debt and Livia not to Sousa against. Sarah. Not bad not bad at all Tagore Alvis is on the the prelims against max Griffin junior beanie Ricardo romo's. So yeah, there's a lot to like there. And to the best of my knowledge. This is actually a short. I think it's nine PM start for the main car, and you're gonna be seeing this a lot by the way. I know the first one was a ten pm start on ESPN. Plus, but trust me when I tell you I've seen a lot of the start times and times, and they're not all going to be this late. A lot of them are going to start earlier and earlier so the complaints that you had and I think you saw a little bit of that as far as pacing is concerned on Saturday when it comes to these ESPN, plus cards. They have listened to our complaints. They have listened or the powerbrokers if you will have listened to what we have had to say about the cards dragging on. And I think we're going to start to see a lot of changes there. So stay tuned for that. All right. Let's go back to Brooklyn and talk about one of the big stories coming out of that card. Dennis Bermudez veteran of the ultimate fighting championship. With a big win over t Edwards. And of course, a local fighter New Yorker from Long Island. A gritty win a tough one dominant win over t Edwards in front of his people. And then right after the fight. He's talking to John. He got on the Mike, and he had this to say take a listen is this your final flight. Yeah. Mandates. It is. It's pretty awesome. Two. New york. And go about hang up after those four was that row. And I want my kids look back at this. And even know I went through adversity finished top what a beautiful moment there in. You're seeing Dennis Bermudez, take the gloves. That is customary. You see that in in wrestling as well. Take off the shoes leave him on the mat? This is something that's become tradition in our sport. Take off the gloves leave them in the center of the cage. So Dennis Bermuda's retiring. And now it is an honor to be talking to the medicine self who is coming off. What a great moment that was Saturday night at Barclay center. Dennis. How are you? Where are you? I just finished doing UFC filter. Okay. Oh, that's one of my favorite shows. You have filtered with Matt Serra? Yes. Well, congratulations on a great moment Saturday night. Were you expecting that win or lose that you're gonna that you were going to retire, regardless of the outcome? The only way I wasn't going to retire finish them in the first round. You know, what do you mean by that? If I if I went out of the fight. I've nothing hurt. I can do another quick turnaround fight like in a month. Okay. So once you got into the second round you set yourself. All right. Whatever happens here. I'm done. Yeah. Okay. But isn't that why does it all hinge on your performance in in one round? There. There was a second in the fight where t hooked up in a hippie, pretty hard and. For a little bit. I was like him. Writes this white hit. But let like I don't feel like being paid this sucks. You know, and. The fact that I had that little special myself is it's not what I want, you know, and as a younger fighter, I would have never ever thought of that, you know, that would never ever crossed my mind. How long had you been thinking of this that this could potentially be your last fight? I made with the losses with each loss at like got even more and more real that. I would you know, retire and after the age of thirty I felt like my body wasn't recovering with Yuzu in it hurt to go to the bathroom in the morning because I was so sore from from threatening so hard, you know. You had those three controversial close fights. But decision losses coming into this fight. After the Rick Glenn one. Did you consider? You know, what I'm tired of this? This is annoying getting my heartbroken here. Like, did you consider? Maybe even that being your last fight. Yeah. Go into the Rick Glenn fight. I told myself by lost that was going to retire. After the third round. I really feel I one and I was getting ready for the decision that I didn't win. And I went back my own that man, I'm done not doing this anymore. I'm not letting a judge that doesn't know what is looking at money out of my kids now. Okay. So how'd you go from that to then deciding to come back? I sat around my house for, you know, maybe two months playing video games on twitch and stuff like that. And they would YouTube. It wasn't prevailing. You know? It wasn't the was the cut it for me. I was eight a little bit of weight. So I started working out this the. Who? Start feel better about myself and. Broke up my girlfriend now is like the the thing that was like you're gonna fight again. You gotta fight again. Get approved yourself right now. I'm sorry to hear that. So doggone it is. It is a part of life. Unfortunately, did you talk through coaches about it. And did they try to convince you otherwise? Thing is is with my last three losses. It wasn't like I got my bucket. I got out gun. You know, I was in a win it at this wasn't in my favor. You know? So with that being said there like we know you can get in there and win. Okay. So they were behind you. But you moved up to one fifty five was that part of the deal. Like, hey, maybe I don't have to cut all this weight. And just go in there and take a fight and feel better. Yeah. I what I do all my testing and stuff like that for house strong. I am how fast I am. I weigh about one sixty five low sixties, so cutting another twenty pounds of up that I feel like deathly hindered. My ability to be an animal, you know, and going down home forty five definitely zaps. Okay. So you win the fight. You feel good. I'm sure you feel good at one fifty five. Right. Not having to cut the after ten. Yeah. I felt better for sure. Okay. Better. Who's to say that in two months, you're not sitting at home. It's I want to do another one. Do you feel that could be a thing? It could. But I highly doubt it I looking to get a real job now with benefits and pension because today, I don't wanna be sixty five seven years old and drooling hanging out my grandkid, right? Do you have your eye on a particular industry particular world that you want to work in? I'm kind of pursuing trying to become a lineman actually a lineman. Yeah. What is that? If your power goes out, they come and fix it. Make sure the metropoles are are working like that. Okay. I thought you meant like a NFL linemen. Like one of those guys love that. Why why that particular line of work? They're kind of like power raiders of electric. Yes. You know, your power goes out you show up the fix it. Your your God for that? You know hour long it takes. Yeah. Your savior and sometimes work under pretty extreme conditions, right? Usually when the power goes out bad things are happening outside. Yeah. That's true. As and who better than someone that fights people for a living. Yeah. I like it is this something that you've thought about for a while. Like why that? I have a few friends that are live and enjoy it. You know, they like it as very well. It's a little dangerous live on the wild side, though. Do you have to go to school for something? Like that. Yeah. I'm working to become an apprentice. Wow. Okay. So this is something you've been thinking about for a bit. Well, it's it's been in the works. And and I thought it was gonna be like, hey, we'll see up Monday with like, hey, we'll see him for months. And I was like, hey, I can do it for months. Bright white camp. That's right. So get one under your belt get paid. And then you could go back to that. Go go into the working world with a nice cushion. Did you tell the you see this did they know or was a complete surprise? No. All right. What are they need to know? Right. Do you have any fights left on your contract? I asked better that he said he had look at to it. I don't think. So I think I rea- the contract after the green zombie fight. Okay. All right did Anik. No. Did you tell them? Did you give them a heads up? Because it seemed like he was kind of setting you up for that. I had hinted in a few interviews that they might be my last one. Okay. All right. So that's why he had the permission to ask you about it, you, obviously we're getting emotional where you expecting that. They've oceans, no. That was like this. They could go or something like that. I just got all I got hooked up is is that common for you. Or were you shocked, and you got really I actually like pretty unemotional. Wow. Why do you think you got so emotional? It got really real. Yeah. Did and the crowd loved it. Yeah. You also mentioned I think you're you said is is battling cancer. He's battling cancer. And. I wanted that was like a big reason I really wanted to win. This fight is the dedicate the him, and and the proof to him that uh communities boys more count it out or things are that. We don't give up with finish on top. How's he doing now? I haven't spoken to him yet. What I want to write. He's he's. I guess like men away in terms of. He thinks positive, and and you know, ask them how you feel. It's like. Already like. The gating that you know, he's not doing. Well. You know? So I give them a call. And just hey, what's up man fight? Right. Do you think he was watching? Yeah. You know, he was watching pretty positive. Okay. Wow. It was beautiful. What you said. And I think the message that you said was great. And you've always been that kind of gritty fighter. You've always been that guy who doesn't give up. So I thought that it kind of represented who you are as a fighter you've had some great moments. Great fights in the octagon is there one. Now that sticks out. Do you think that you have one favor? One that you'll be telling your kids about your grandkids about it will be that Nak Bryce by the macro. That was the one that I thought that you were going to say, that's the that's the one right? Yeah. Because I was I was down and out. He almost knocked me clean out. And I figured a way how to come back. And and I remember after the fight ended. This being really out of gas. You know, like, I left it all in there. Do you still have a relationship with Matt? Yeah. He was actually liking all of my stuff at reposting it on Facebook leading up to the fight. And I thought that really man I remember when I thought that he was in the crowd, and I went up to I I gave a halt before the affect on it like really fired me up. Of course, he's had a hard time car accident. But now seems to be doing better and moving on with his life. So I I love the bond that you to have created after being in there together, you walkaway do you have any regrets? No. And that's that's a really good feeling. You know, I did everything the right way. And I always tried my hardest. I mean if I have one regret back. Let Llamas dopey completely out. That's the one I guess because I I really felt after I tapped quit. So you don't feel you know, I thought maybe you'd say I didn't fight for belt Ida win a belt. It's just the fact that you tapped out that bothers you. I mean I wanted to. But it was never never happened. You know, so I can't I can't control that. But what's the big deal about tapping? Whitting? Yeah. You know, I think to fans of that like when Connor tapped and high home didn't they were like, all you home is an animal. Okay. Is that the only time in your entire career that you tapped? Tapped to tires. Okay. It's not a big deal. I would about the break. Right. Okay. And the other one I didn't know if I was gonna get paid for the fight. So I didn't wanna take it down. Which was that the shine fights. Oh, man. I remember that. Did you end up getting? Yes. Okay. Well, so that actually. Crossed her mind in the midst of the fight as your as you're in it all your thinking while I might not get paid to why actually go through with this. Yeah. Dan, 'cause they pay the guys will ask fight. Okay. And it was actually my first loss. And I thought about retired right there. Really? Yeah. House. A who's the guy that not that much Tra? Ju Fiqh it. Yes, drew Fiqh. It was my first loss at one fifty five. Wow. Okay. So that was that was a car that you fought twice. I remember that vividly twice. You lost him. You thought about not coming back back then how long ago was that. That was like it was like ten years eight nine years ago, right? Yeah. Why did you think that after one loss? Yeah. Because I had never lost. You didn't like the feeling awful who convince you to stay. Nobody I was just like being a baby. Yeah. Because that was your eight pro fight, and you made it all the way to twenty six. Yeah. Wow. Not a bad run twice excites. Seventeen and nine isn't that nuts? Am I reading react seventeen to nine? Yeah. Right. Is there one guy that you wish you could have fought? I wanted to fight BJ Penn. When I was when I was younger. I'd be pen was killing everybody before I'd go out by I would envision that was getting ready to fight diktats, really always. Because I thought I could be him. And I thought beach had what assassinate was going against and though do feel in hindsight. Jewish state at one fifty five. Like where the way cuts too much. Yeah. I think so I. Was like I said I would seven point at one fifty five. And the only reason I went down to forty five because the people that were asking the ultra fighter essentially told me that I was small the fight one one fifty five. Really? Yeah. They didn't cast for the first ova fight. I think season twelve and then the fourteen came around, and I asked them if I didn't have through the try outs. I come directly to the finals for the interview said, yes. And I knew I get quicker. If I did that than if I waited until the next one fifty five. Fighter. Okay. Wow. That's crazy. So those producers kind of change the course of your career. Yeah. And I did very well there, and I was like thought broken don't fix it. Right. Are you going to remain in the sport? Like, do you think you'll be around the gym coach, or do you think that the? I I have to you know, otherwise, I'll get fat. But I mean one thing to do it for yourself. But do you think that you'll do some coaching bring fighters up help them out? Do you wanna do that? That's that's that's something. That was that's very big in the. Wrestling community is you give back to the generation below. You're ok is there someone at the gym now that you're excited about that. We should keep our on. There's this kid Ashiq agent who's one thirty five or sometimes I'll I'll last this kit. In my head and should be dead. And I told the go back no hit with three piece did night. I thought it was killed you. How are you hitting it while his native all the right things, and it's pretty tough. So what's his name Ashiq Ashiq agent? Wow. Where's he from? I think it he he travels from queens everyday to Long Island just to train with you guys yet the fact that this fight was on Long Island in New York in Brooklyn, you're from Long Island, very close by Brooklyn. Log islands not for those that don't know. It's not that far of a trip to that. Kind of help the decision is just perfect to get for the longest time. You couldn't fight in your home state. Now, you get to to that kind of help you say, this is the perfect way to say goodbye. As I was retiring. I was like, wow. Meant New York. This is this is what I should do it. It makes sense, you know, and I helped with all the the process of getting MA legalize in New York. So it's it was pretty cool to retire here as well. What happens to the gloves, by the way that anyone anyone grab those what happens to those? When you leave him in the cage, you got back. Yeah. How'd you do that? Other brought back to lock. Okay. So it's all for show. Right. Yeah. And it was cool to see you in the crowd afterwards that a lot of people recognize you're kind of hanging out because your manager Ryan Parsons also works with jail. Who's on our say, you don't often see the fighters two hours after their fight just walking. Amidst. The people were you showered with love to the Brooklyn people recognize you when you weren't wearing your your fight stuff. Yeah. It was really cool, man. That's great. I'm happy for you. So next for you. What's act? So next up you start focusing on being a lineman. Yeah. And my kids and a good father. That's right. How many do you have now two boys two boys? What about trying to get back into the Guinness Book of world records something else on your mind last time? It was what the lemon juice. Yeah. Yeah. We. We. Game with that. Okay. All right. Well, we'll look out for that. Who's that screaming full records to they go who's back there talking? Oh, I don't know. I'm in this office building. It's eight degrees. All right. Well, I'll let you be Dennis thanks for doing this. I appreciate it very much. Guys. Congratulations on a great career. Hey area. We have you on my podcast anytime. I man it's called medicine. The man. Okay. I look forward to it. You know, how to reach out to me, we got it. All right. There is Dennis Bermudez. He walks away from the U of C walks away from the sport with a seventeen nine pro record. He defeats t Edwards. Vienna. Sison some big winds throughout his career gets Jason, of course. Tatsu Lia Kojiri the big win over clay Guido was a really impressive one. There was a period there in the U of see where he went on a really impressive winning streak gets public Garza. Tommy Hayden Mack rice, one of the best fights of that particular year two thousand thirteen I remember that was one seventy excuse me. One fifty seven the same card as Rhonda Rousey vs list, car moosh. And of course. Am I kinda stole the show and less? We forget has a win over max. Hallway split decision win over max hallway, perhaps the most high profile three on his record young max hallway, but still nonetheless a very impressive win for him split decision. Steven Siler, Jimmy head is clay Guido. So it all was going really well until he met Ricardo lamas, and he talked about that fight. He was submitted figgy teen show lost Jeremy Stevens got back on track against Jason Kao, Jerry. But overall a very solid career for one Dennis Bermudez. He walks away at just thirty two years young and says goodbye on Saturday night after defeating. T edwards. In a few minutes in like five minutes. We're going to be joined by one T J dillashaw Lasca said the day perfect way to end the show, and it's been a really fun show. I appreciate everyone who has stopped by dillashaw went down to one twenty five. There was all that talk about would he make weight? And if he did make the wait how would he look he ended up making the way not only did he make the weight? He was the first guy on Friday morning to step foot on the scale nine AM. He was there early step foot. Look good didn't seem to be in the worst shape possible. I mean like a lot of people were expecting a skeleton out. There was not the case. In fact, you can still see it. Now, if you're about the process over on ESPN dot com slash Emma. May there's a great photo essay about his entire processes coach doing Ludwig, his manager Tiki golsen told me time, and again that this wasn't something that was going to happen on fight week. This was a twelve week thing that by the time they got to. Klin the way in was or the white cut. I should say it was done. They figured it out. They had it all done breath Okamoto tweeting out a whole like scientific formula that they had on how to do this the right way. And they did it the right way. And when you consider the dedication twelve week process forget about history, and all that just the actual mental dedication that. You have to put in place to do something like this when you're that shred at one thirty five to go down to one twenty five and look like that and try to perform at the same level. You understand why he is so frustrated you understand why he is so upset thirty two seconds that has to be one of the most unfulfilling feelings of his life. Think about that. If it's a twenty five minute fight, and it's close and it ends in controversial fashions until you don't get the nut. You know? That's that's a hard pill to swallow. But I would argue I'm gonna ask him this. Thirty seconds is even harder because you're. So far it up you put in so much, and it all ends in the blink of an eye thirty two seconds. That's tough. But you know, it's a funny thing because Marl Mariah said this. He said that he was embarrassed for the division embarrassed for TJ because he lost that way. I would argue that in fact, and I've seen some other people say like what do you do now with that division the one thirty five division because the one thirty five pound champion just went down to one twenty five and laws and lost that quickly. I would actually argue that this was the best thing for the one thirty five pounds of vision. The one the fact that the champion went down and lost in controversial fashion. It was so quick. And it was so flash that you could say all right. Look, I didn't get smoked. I didn't get dominated. I didn't get roughed up. It was a freak thing. No skin off my back. So in a weird way by almost feel like it was. In a situation if he had to lose. That was actually the best possible way. And you see the belt right over there. What do we say about this bell? What is wrong with all? You people? You guys all worked up about this belt? I told all the time that. I like the drama too much that I talk about everything. But the fighting the story lines the ancillary things, you guys tell me this all the time. And then I saw the belt. I was like, yeah. It's a nice belt. It's not bad. There's some flags there. There's some rubies. It's redesigned. But at the century, the same thing, and I can't believe someone told me that that was my third most liked. Instagram post of all time. And I don't know if everyone likes it because they approve of it. But the comets weren't saying a lot of fighters weighing in Luke Rockall asking if Reebok designed it a lot of fun is weighing in a lot of talking about everyone up in arms. My whole Twitter feed on Friday was all about the belt. All you cared about was the belt. Who cares? It's about. Okay, fine. You people are so against say you people, but it seems like the majority of the vents on Twitter, and I know that the vocal minority, and I know you shouldn't put too much stock at everyone wants to complain about everything this doesn't work that doesn't work. I don't like change we move over here this show, that's kind of those YouTube FIBA everyone's complaining about everything. It's a freaking belt guys. Come on get a grip. I could not believe the a. Engagement that picture created and be the negativity. I look as you know, I do not shy away from being negative when when it's appropriate. We'll just put it that way in this particular case, I don't think that there was any reason to be negative. It's a fine belt calmed down chill out. Even Henry I meant to hold it said, it's not bad everyone. Just relax. It's really not that bad. I couldn't believe it really couldn't have. Just about. It's actually not that bad. There's the flags while the first eight or so champions wherever they come from Canada. There. There's Ireland there everyone just chill out. All right. So in a matter of seconds. We're going to be joined by TJ dillashaw. He is going to be joining us on the phone. We'll talk to him and they will wrap up a very busy weekend. And of course. The train moves along because bell tour has their big show this weekend in Inglewood, California against Ryan bidder. But first, let's say Hello to our last guest of the day. The man who attempted to go down from one thirty five to twenty five the reigning defending bantamweight champion T J dillashaw who I'm sure isn't in the best of moods on this Monday afternoon slash morning. But I do appreciate him stopping by. It means a lot to TJ. How are you? Dinner, right, man. How are you? I'm doing good. Thanks for doing this. I heard you laugh there is that accurate. Are you still pretty fired up over what happened on Saturday? Yeah. Man. It definitely unfortunate. It's kind of bug me for a little bit. You know, but that's gonna give it back in the gym train them on. He's got that fire that you know. Okay. So I'm assuming I mean such a short fight. You've watched it. Right. You've watched it again. I haven't got watched it by some highlights on TV are not TV on my phone. Sorry. Okay. You were very adamant that you disagreed with the stoppage. Do you still feel the same way? Yeah. Why do you think? Yeah. Man book. I mean, look I need to congratulate pseudo man, great work, and I'm sure he put as much work in this camp as I did I don't wanna take anything away from that. You know? But the stoppage was controversial we need to do again. And of course. Yeah. I wanna do it at one twenty five, but I'll do it where do whatever way. 'cause I mean, like it's not all fight among twenty five thirty five bells on I don't even care just want that fight back, man. In the moment. And I know a lot is going on there. Did you ever feel out? Did you ever feel like you are truly rock? No, man. My equilibrium. My equilibrium was gone. No the glancing right hand to the back of the head. You know, he I went for a overhand right duct. It showed me to the ground. I stood up blocked. His kick. Anyone go through a right hand. I did my head down the duck underneath it. And it glance me in the back of the head and of those shots. Just like, they take your balance the way, you know. And you're there one hundred percent. I remember, I don't even know who that ref is remember that rest saying show me some dillashaw show me something that I'm okay, I'm okay? And we're in a wrestling scramble, and the next thing next thing is he jumps on me as I'm you know, trying to get into another single egg. And I know who was on me, but we're in a complete wrestling scramble, and I'm not taking damage. You know, I I didn't get hit. But after watch it replaced with the left took but other than that. Although other punches throwing weren't really doing anything. You know, it was I was I was. Aware just like defending trying to scramble, you know, wasn't like I was laying on my back getting hammered fisted and getting they my brain bashing was in a scramble when you say back of the head. Are you saying that it was legal? No on your I I my head. Okay. Okay. I would I went to go all the punch, and it's one of those ones that you hit behind the ear or the back of the head. Those are the ones that kinda like take your leg up money here. Little bit your hundred percent there. But just a almost like. Yeah. Beer, goggles on that. I have another girl man pushing on me and trying to hit me the obvious obviously hard to get back to your feet. You know, like, you know, a couple of single eggs. And then I was hitting the switch at the last minute that rest jumped on the unfortunate. What is going through your mind when he stops the fight? Oh, I instantly stood up in question. Like a year of you can't even you know. Like, you gotta let you fight. And I mean, that's that's what makes me exciting fighter. You know? I take Riskin. I go for you know, I'm willing to slugfest. I'd take punching to give punches live by the sword. Die by the sword. Man. But I've earned the right to fight until I can't physically go anymore. And I would take him for me Saturday night and needs to be made. Right. I run the back. So I I mentioned this while we were waiting to connect with you. I can't imagine a more unfulfilling frustrating feeling. I would imagine a twenty five round fight where you're robbed of victory is split decision. Probably feels better than this because it's just lasted thirty seconds after twelve week camp, you cut all that weight. This must feel would you would you agree with that? Does it? I mean, only you would know. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Hundred percent, obviously, I've I've had a couple of situations where like crucified island bug me. No because I was a split pigeon loss, and my belt whatever about that was talked. But this is. By far away. Worse. You know, the amount of work that I put into it. You know me knowing that sounds generic and see with me, knowing I'm the better fighter. You know? Even though we just bought I'm coming out with the loss. But yeah, man, it's definitely a lot tougher to swallow because I didn't get that chance to prove that how good I felt that one twenty five I demand awake cut. I felt really really good. I walked in there too. That by feeling like I better than I thought that one thirty five I felt really good. I have no pieces of not going up and get victory. I felt physically fine. I felt great. I was wondering again your answer. Just they're probably refutes this. But sometimes when you see someone cut too much weight, it's harder for them to take a punch. You're not shocking. Any of this up to the way cut? Right. Not at all, man. They he'd be. I mean, I feel great. I feel awesome. What like I said. It was the back of the back of the head and whatnot. Saying is nothing. Illegal by 'cause runner feet. I'm moving my head. I didn't move my head enough. And I got a gunshot kinda like when came Blazquez and those. No, I scarred. JD f we got hit in the back of that kind of thing man, just like takes your leg Doppler, and you're still you're still there when I saw John Dobson kind of thing. Like, I hit the behind the year, and it's you're still there. But I just takes your feet off. When issue, you know. And obviously, we're we're fast guys in jumping on me. But just give me that chance. I feel like I've earned that chance. 'specially being a champion champion champ only. This is an amateur fight at fairgrounds. You know, like this is some guys just start. Now. This is a lot on the line. Fight is very big chambres champ fight we proven that. I can go down to one twenty five nine at work that I put in just to have that referee national coin pockets pretty phases. Did he say anything to afterwards the rats? Yeah. So no, no. No, no. And so okay. So at this juncture, you you go through that. And I remember you saying I think it was two Antic on Friday. You are actually surprised you actually were surprised at how you felt and looked and the whole process is that accurate. Can I ask you what what surprised you about? It. Did you think it would be a lot more hellacious to get down there? Tougher. I knew that I'd be able to do it especially with the likes of same Vida, my corner and him being so smart and tell me that I can do it. You know, give me that confidence. But too. I mean, I had such a good can't do. I didn't have any injuries going into the fight. It almost went everything almost went to to you know, the Waco went well the camp went, well, all my sparring was going great. It was almost too good to be true. It was you know, what it meant to be. Whatever reason wasn't meant to be a mom told me things happen for reason. And for whatever reason is point in a direction that I guess I'm gonna have to figure out because everything was perfect. That's great. I mean, I was happy in the back. I was having fun. Like do. I I could get tired in the warm up. I I I mean, obviously, my was insane from that put the away. But I I couldn't even couldn't even get tired warmer up in the back. I was ready for that. Rounder. Anything surprise you about Henry he told me earlier that part of his game plan was to come out you aggressively come at you, very fast. Were you expecting that out of him? And everything else surprise you about that very short performance from him. I actually kind of spread the you know, that he came because he doesn't fight that way and Trudeau's AM. You know, I I wish I got the continue bikes that have been great to that. But yeah, he came out little more aggressive actually, a lot more aggressive usually like has that Christ answer like the backup runaway scared to engage, but he came out going to blazing through that. Right kick, and they didn't land right hand, wrapped beginning to you know, I all I really throws a too late kicks and misnomer hand and got shoved the remember remember the fight perfect in which obviously only thirty seconds over to right hand usually backs up and get it and show me the ground blocks kick on the way up and then Glanton shots at the back of the head just into offer a second. But yemen. What was it like that stage when you go back to the locker room? Obviously, I was serious. You know, I let I mean. Let's just be honest. I've never said that I wasn't a sore. Loser. Still I I don't I don't take losing very well. You know, it's not a father against about the ad. I let my motions get the best me. That's why I'm so competitive. That's why I am who I am. You know, why? Two hours into the gym in train is harder. Do even practice. I get pissed when I was you know, and I've I've been known for that my motions that the best needs. So yeah, obviously, I was serious. You know? I was I mean thirty second fight when I know that I'm the better fighter. Inch. Just it's up this wall of, you know, and if anybody's been in my situation or just pleading general, you know, you know, what that's like. And and and look I wanna be I wanna be here graduating to person foremost wanna make sure that comes across because that is how I feel and I know we put in a bunch of work. I don't want to take away anything from his you know, or is activating when he's done. But obviously, I'm not gonna swallow them. Very well, it could tough one for me. And I was I was very pleased that especially when it have the doctors tell me it was an early stoppage. Dana white talking early stoppage. You got you know, it's just it man had another way the other way to really put it. You know, does does it soften the blow a little bit? The fact that you're still champion still have a belt. It's not too belts. But you're still champion that has to help a little bit, right? Not really. I mean, I I don't I don't say it's not about me have that belts about. Maybe the best man. I really do feel it. I can be the greatest of all time. I can't put it together. You know, something that can't string things on together. I had some big plans and things I wanted to do in. This was a a separate stone me to get there and and that was derailed. Now, if you have to take longer again, you know, same thing when I lost that loss against cruise. You know, something that's gonna have to take relaunch again, you know, just a little bit unfortunate situation. I mean. Yeah. I mean the belt belt. But I I'm looking leave the best house on fight in the war. I wasn't lying when I said that before the fight. That's my goals. I have long goes nuts it and now it's gonna take longer to get there. Are you referring to the idea of you moving up to forty five that was the plan that you wanted to go after thinking while I was yeah. I would love to obviously that's nowhere near you know, do that. Now until I can eventually this loss, you know, or. Who knows you know? Really just. Yeah. Sometimes definitely wanted to do man. It was did set up perfectly. Did you talk to Dana white after the fight? Yeah. I had a wide talked inside the cage, and you wanna thank me for obviously making the weight making this historic event happened and then on the way out 'cause I got out of the a pretty quick. I did my press conference. They might be about, you know, I didn't really obviously wanted to hang out. But on the way out. It's all doing interviews said, hey, man, we gotta run this back. You know, as I was hearing him doing talking about being an early stoppage yell at him on the way by like, I know kid, I know let's next couple of days. So he understands you know, having he's on the same page an easy ran back. You know, it's too much on the line five bigger than this the fight and everything was bigger than this loss. You know? I mean, Harry pseudo talking about saving division, and it's thought it was close story line. You know, I mean great for him that he did too. And and all the guys are backing him and doing that stuff. That's that's amazing. Right. But that story lines still there. And that that that message is still there there's nowhere. I don't know, man. Ran back in. My mind, you know, so so let's be very clear here because a lot of people. I think are listening to what you're saying. And want to know what exactly you want to do next? If it was up to you if Dana white called you what do you wanna do? What do you wanna do? Obviously, I'll take by wherever I'm open for whatever. 'cause that's the situation I'm in. But if it was up to me, I have to make the choice. Yeah. I'd find me one twenty five I'll make the way tomorrow. I don't even care want that fight. I wanna prove I wanna prove to work that I put in and the science behind my weight cut and everything that I've done is there. I put in like I said ton of work, and I just wanna build a show it I want I want that right to live and die by the sword. How much did you weigh on Saturday night? High forty high forties while closer to fifty. No, yeah. Yeah. I get closer to fifty than forty. And when you when thirty five how much you weigh same. How exactly wall? That's incredible. I'm how did you do that? The scientists Cal Vida in the way, my bodies respond the way cut I told you done for twelve weeks. It wasn't something that was done last minute. And my body was ready Zorba the diet that I was on was ready to you know, I was I was. You know, I was always blockage. In depleted. I was ready to absorb all them them cards and the body very soak it all up and. It's hard to explain it. All I'd have to Davidge down with Sam, Vida village. You know, like exactly how we're going to go down. He knew that. I was gonna walk into the cage. Exactly the same way. I fight on thirty five. Wow. Credit to Sam. That's incredible. And so from what I heard he does around the same way the guys the guys they use get to me. He looked great. I mean, he had a great camp. He's got good confidence. Gander right now. I'm having for the guy, you know, good for him. Doesn't mean I don't wanna beat them back. You know, I feel that by one hundred times that nine of them this. Fortunately that once one fight you disagree with that. So point of one of these fights like this, you know, and just curious to to figure out the math and all this like, obviously, you can't fight him tomorrow when twenty-five but just like how you wait now two days later. I'm saying I'm still high forty. Okay. All right. So it's like you ballooned up to like one sixty or so I'm not at all. I this. This is got me fired up. I'm ready to go whatever direction us down. So I don't wanna take any time off. I want to get after what if Dana says to look, you know, we did it. But we kind of have to keep the train moving at one thirty five. We want you to fight the winner of the Mariah sense fight. Because that seems to be a number one contender fight, even though they haven't said, it will you be disappointed will that not make you say you had big plans max Holloway. Double champ. All this stuff. Does that get you excited? I'll do need to do. You know what I mean? Like, I said this is this is de railed by mission. I'm gonna take it take longer now. Unfortunately at a lot of things set up, but I'll do whatever it takes. I'm not one that's going to shy away from any challenge. And I'm willing to work. So whatever take give back to why was that in and beyond in do. I wanna go is when I got to do. I mean, I'm in the vision that I gotta do what I gotta do. You know, I'm a hard working guy. And I hope everyone understands that. I don't wanna I don't know looking for looking pretty handouts a work my way to do whatever I need to do. And you know, it's interesting because you've talked about, okay? I wanna go down to one twenty five and rectified this. It's something that we heard, you know, the likes of kinda McGregor say, you know, Nate Diaz beat me at one seventy I wanna find him what seventy DC the same John Jones. So I understand your thought process. But Henry sing I wanna fight you again, I'll give you a chance. But I wanted to be at one thirty five that doesn't do the same thing for you. Right. That doesn't give you the same set. Faction. It's not as historic. So Henry at one thirty five probably doesn't mean as much to as Henry at one twenty five or is it just now trying to beat Henry, and it doesn't matter. What? What wait? I'm not gonna turn it down. You know what I mean? Like, that's definitely I said, I'm open for whatever obviously beating him is is is part of it through that. I'm obviously, the better fighter. But yeah, if I had the choice, it'd be at twenty five obviously makes makes sense for me. Obviously, you know. And then you got the guy you're talking about how he wants to good guy and depend the weight class. And now we've got that momentum to worry has done that you know, he's talking about how he wants to say the one twenty five hundred vision. But now, I want to leave it. You know, I feel like you did do the numbers on ESPN were fantastic. Looks like from what I've seen. Let's take great. I mean, that's a huge thing for the flyweight division. You know? So I guess there's one argument there that you you you ought to division continue save it. And and bring in these us, you know, I don't know, man. I said, I I'm not the one that gets choosed because I'm not one Torius. I'm the guy that's got the the law. So but let the Boston figure it out. And I'm I'm gonna be training all the writing direction. I know you said initially you're coming out to kill the flyweights. Would it be fair to say that now that it's over you don't want to see that happen? Man. It wasn't. I didn't. I didn't wanna I didn't wanna kill the fly with that was just so it's like everyone thinks I'm making decisions if I was making the that'd be getting paid a whole lot more money. Right. You know, like I'm just doing what what what is was rumor it wasn't even told the hundred percent wasn't like if this happens if I was gone. It was like that was a rumor people are getting cut if it were saying like, oh, we think is by happened. Like, oh to meet your Johnson's gone now they're going to get rid of the division. Like who's never ever said hundred percent. I was going to happen. That was just a storyline. And I ran with it, you know, to being like sure if that's what they wanna do that really was what they wanna do whatever, you know. But I didn't want them on. It wasn't like I was like, yes, we get rid of a bunch of jobs. You know, it was more of the fact that I wanted to be a double champ don't drop confrontation spot. You know, I wanted to have big goals, man. And that's all really came down to two last things again. I really appreciate the time. He said this twice and I'm wondering, and I thought your response was perfect. You didn't miss a beat? But I'm wondering if it bothered you at all when he talked about, hey, this guy couple years ago was a part of a union. And now he's talking about going down and killing divisions and things like that. Did you feel like that was a fair thing? Like, you feel like you're being painted with the wrong brush. Did you feel like that was that was a little bit too? You know? You know, a little too personal. How did you react to that? Because I thought you response was great on the stage but deep down to that bother. You know, didn't didn't bother me, man. You know, that was the rush hour pointed that was what I was told was right? You know, like your guided in directions that you don't know where you wanna be guided to you know, until. Until I talk about you know, really really it's just about. What's what's best for me to get my title shot at that time? And I thought that was it. Okay. And I and I appreciate you saying, hey, I'm a sore loser. I've never said I wasn't a sore loser. I there I know. But I feel like you've actually like when I said that you were going to be on the show. A lot of people are like oh TJ is gonna wind. I lost respect for like what is what did these people expand? I'm not saying this because you're here. I would say this. If you weren't you just went through a twelve week process that is almost like the closest to hell like to put your your body in life through your family through that. What do people expect you to do and say, I honestly feel like you've been you've been a little bit treated unfairly here in the aftermath like do people just want you to be like, no big deal. I'm just gonna move on. Like, of course, you're upset. Of course, you so I don't know if you've seen any of that. And that's why you said that. But I I just wanna say to feel like the reaction has been a little unfair. I want people to care. I want people to be upset especially when the fight. Ends like that. I mean, that's kind of my point. I have seen it. I mean, obviously, I understand. I mean, it's a little brook record. I was pissed when I lost to Cruz as well too. You know, and I was 'cause when I lost to essential both decision. So I mean, this is like the first time he's gonna hurt like porn me. I lost. But I did. I suck stance language. I worked my butt off. And I lost the fight that I don't like I should have. Obviously didn't go my way. And yeah, I'm gonna be disappointed in it. So when a I'm gonna talk about it. But I I don't give me famous playing with my brothers playing monopoly. I get pissed like it's uncompetitive. And that's why am where I'm at I competitive edge in my neatness, definitely got me really far. And I'm not gonna let go of. And now it just because you guys are free to hear about. No, I lied one last one what's the game plan? Now. Do you sit and talk to you see like how quickly do you want to return in a perfect world? It is I I'm at. I've no injury. Camp was awesome. I fought for thirty seconds. Plan is I wanna Archer lettuce fighting this weekend and LA I'll be up there cornering him. So I'm helping lose his way he's dropping out at one thirty five to forty five. You know, he's one of those guys does through Sam Vida had four four belt that I can't cage. So I'm going to be helping him out for his fight this weekend. I'm right back in the gym, man. Like, I said I'll fight to tomorrow at whatever weight costs. He wants I fired up. And I guess I was going to be a dangerous me. You know? I was already fired up already motivated, my wife, and we pissed 'cause she wants to go on vacation. But I'm gonna being, you know, so we'll see man. I mean, I appreciate everyone. Tune into watching us so cool to see the numbers of ESPN did. I've really unfortunate that I get to put on a bigger better shows, that's kind of fighter. I wanna be. I tried to be like I said, I live by this die. But or like being those slugfests I mean to man look at me getting dropped by Cody asserted a lot more than that by then it was this one and came back and knocked them out. You know, every time I've won my belt. I depended. I get the same exact guy. I'd be brow at independent against where. I'll be Kodiak affinity, Cody. I felt like I'm not someone reasonable. I just wanna get their employees that that wasn't right. That is a controversial decision. Congratulations, though. Big rate. Sure, you had awesome camp and Jewish is your team and your family. Enjoy this process. Enjoy this victory. But I can't wait to once again. Thanks for doing this job. I really appreciate it class stuff from you. Thank you for coming on. I'm sure you're not, you know, in the best mood to talk about it all, but I really appreciate the candor and your thoughts. So congrats on making it to one twenty five and doing what a lot of people didn't think you'd even be able to let alone. Whatever happened in the fight. That was in. Credible to watch and hopefully for your sake, you get what you want X. Really? Appreciate a man. And yeah, that's the fight game. We have the highest highs and the lowest lows, and you gotta learn to deal with them. So this is some I'm gonna have to deal with you know, I already have. But something I doing to deal with. Thank you TJ. Appreciate it. Of course, you have going to there is TJ Dilshad still the reigning defending. You have see bantamweight champion not the flyweight champion. But now it opens up a really interesting scenario for the you have C one last quick thing before we go didn't get to talk about it at length on this particular program. Definitely will as the week goes on Donald Sironi with a massive win over Alabama Hernandez calling out once again, kind of Gregor Connor seems interested. We'll see where they go from there. But that is a fight that is bigger than a title in many respects, in my opinion. That is a fight that I think you can headline of pay per view with and do over a million. I think buys so no post show this week. We do have a new show. Called the MA reporters that comes out every Wednesday evening on itunes, audio only for now, we'll talk a whole lot more about Brooklyn Bella tour this weekend, the winners coming out of this weekend, the Fortaleza card coming up a lot. It's kind of like my old show the may beat so look out for that that's Wednesday evenings, and then we'll have more about our future programming future. Things. I see all the questions. I see everyone asking me things. Don't worry as I told you from the beginning. I got you. Don't worry look at us. And by the way, ESPN news midnight eastern tomorrow night choose day night. So technically Wednesday if you wanna be stickler nine PM Pacific Tuesday night tomorrow choose day on ESPN news. We're back on TV. That was a lot of fun last week. Looking forward to seeing the show again CJ corporate, Jake. My music there. It is the familiar sound kind of freight to go outside 'cause here it's really cold out there. And it's really toasting here. I must say. And I appreciate all of you kind of the best day to take in the show, you're in the northeast, and you don't wanna go outside on this holiday here in the United States. Hope you enjoyed the program. I appreciate everyone who stopped by the tuned in and what a fun day, it has been recapping a really memorable night in Brooklyn had so much fun doing everything that we did not just on Saturday, but all week long here in Bristol. And Brooklyn all the media stuff that we did all the shows that are on that. I was on. I wanna thank everyone who had me on their show to talk about this event. And how special was not only for the company, but for the sport, this is a big deal, if you're an international viewer, and it doesn't quite make sense. Trust me. This was a massive massive deal in the history of the sport took us twenty six years to get here. But the you have C is finally at the worldwide leader. And I couldn't be more excited to be a part of it. Thank you so much Henry so Huto page vans. End Corey San Hagen, Anthony Pettus, Stephen wonderboy Thompson joined Calderwood Marla. Mariah. Is Dennis Bermudez and T J dillashaw for stopping by. And again, thanks to all of you missed it. 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The Reality of Mixed Martial Arts with UFC CHAMP Urijah Faber - IMPAULSIVE EP. 58

Impaulsive with Logan Paul

1:21:13 hr | 1 year ago

The Reality of Mixed Martial Arts with UFC CHAMP Urijah Faber - IMPAULSIVE EP. 58

"And these guys surround me in their three of them. Same guy went has little shoe hammer. I'll say like I I'm like fake Brindley. Please leave me alone. Leave me alone and hit another one running again. My mom is. So right. I swear way too much except is on that. I can't stop it as I really don't want to. There's a new news article came out the other day at I wish I brought up on this L once again, like another study about people swear like bit like game. Dana Dana, White's favorite word is fuck. Oh, it should be. It's a great way. Bene- Foschi is a great word because it can mean love a hate this, Dane or provable. It can mean so many things anyways. Welcome back to a positive the number one podcast in the world. That's hysterical. That fact, it doesn't describe. But if you're not subscribed, we have some guests on every Monday Wednesday Friday, and we do an audio only extended in with the guest after the visuals done. We'll get a little juicy. It's a good day is Friday and muscles recently. How much I love you, bro. Really? You're literally the man Mike while. Episode. You were a little salty won't know we both. We both were. Would you do to clear the air? We just talked it out like fucking dudes, bro. Passion and vision thing, and it's like, you know, sometimes. I couldn't have said it better myself because I want to introduce our guest is a hall of fame UFC fighter with a record of thirty four and ten and NC double a wrestler and part of my French. But a mother fucking. It's the California kid, ladies and gentlemen favor. Donovan bell. We we secure the bag on this one. Fucking police legend, dude, I'm so happy. You're here. What's up, folks? Come around like, y'all. You is could be sick. We're gonna have a good time legend, bro. The unite. I almost had to jog here. I know as, you know, streets surrounded St. street working when I'm like, I this is my third route. I'm thinking about this jogging up to your house. He told me. Streets your close about the job. I'm like, okay. That's that's what you get. When you invite a fighter on the show. They're down just always work fairly. There's some sewage problems. I think Mike clog the toilets a fact just leaves out why they call you big, Mike. Poland. Dump mike. Aw, man. I want to ask you. You're you're married. Yeah. I'm engage engage relations. Thanks, you have a child young baby human. Yes. Two and a half weeks old. Oh. Congratulations. What's the baby's name? It's Kelly rain favor. Shut the front doors, Ali rain Faber. She's money. He's usable Jaslyn Kelly. Was she guys at back home is she do you have a plan for her life or just going to a big time? Kelly rainy in favor with the name like that. I'm sure you've got some in mind actress or not not not as far as the plan for that goes. But I wrote her a book I'm just going to be brainwashing. Her. I literally in the first person Kelly rain in rotor down all the stanzas and keep away from from dirt balls and making right decisions. And they're both like Mike big, Mike. I'm. I'm just going to save just Katie your biggest. Wash your daughter says to you. I doubt he want to be just like you get knocked a gun or just be a fighter. Like, what are your thoughts? Well, I I'll be trying to push in the opposite direction for most of her life. If for whatever reason she wants to take that path. I wouldn't stop I guess, but you know, I'm going to try to you know soccer. Why is? This. Why is that Charles? This is a rough life, man. I don't think I mean, you got a little you got a little taste of being a wrestler. First off, you know, like you you step off of a wrestling career, which is free, by the way. You don't you? Don't get paid. You're doing that. Because for whatever reason, you think you want to, you know, get grimy lose weight headbutt people get skin rashes, you know, everything under the sun and. It's just not a it's not a fun way to to make a living in less your special person. So I'll try to like, you know, there's a lot better ways to make money man are true. And for a female, especially you know, it's just it's just one of those things where I will never shy away from egging her on when she has a passion for something. But I wanna disencouraging her on like, some tennis golf, some some of that stuff show hasn't changed. As shit. Doesn't get her nose broken. So I think I would have been a UFC fighter. If I didn't fall into this. It's not too late, buddy. Is not too late. They say guide am I one of the guys the winter bat and said, easy, easy. Transition for Logan make on them. I mean now granted it have to be a big step of focus, and you won't be able to podcasts all day, you could do a podcast, but it'd be after a lot of training. But obviously do we talked about it a little bit about potentially doing podcasts. Well, he trains what your thoughts like a little headphone a little blood and guts never heard anything ratings. Underneath the table. Nice. Talking one on one fight. Not not to divert too much. Are you? A your engagement you plan on signing a pre-nup. Of course, you're really really my girls. Cool as hell, man. I mean, honestly out Jaslyn ir. We were friends for years prior two years prior to actually dating in. You know, we talked about that. And we actually planned to have the baby before marriage and everything else. It was just part of what we wanted in. And we wanted to get started going on on babies right away. And and we'd probably do pre-nup, you know, she's a hustler self, and and and she's intelligent girl in and we have a great partnership. But you know, I think that kind of stuff important. This world. And I know I have a lot of buddies with a lot of money in the biggest way guys have gone broke is the wrong chick is one of those buddies by chance Jeff Bezos. 'cause I mean, Michael tell you. Basil Gervaise area. Jeff Bezos divorce settlement has finalized, ladies and gentlemen. That's big news. Jeez. Mackenzie bay bazo says now ex wife will retain four percent of Amazon's outstanding stock worth thirty five point six billion. Jeez. Hurry. But you don't know what her role what was a role. I'll she listened. She was by his side the whole time. But she is now the third richest woman on earth off of a divorce eight job. That's crazy. That is crazy. But I mean, and honestly, I've I've talked about this a lot of my buddies. I've got a friend who's been engaged for. Ten years and they've been going over the pre-nup situation. For. They have two kids that are beautiful that are, you know, they live the there are a family, but they don't have the official thing. And it's a weird thing, man. I know a lot of really wealthy guys being fighter. You get a lot of doors open to you meet a lot of cool people from from, you know, kids dying with cancer that needs some inspiration to billionaires that are just re regular, folks. And and the commonality is, you know, success is is something that can be flighting. But that those relationships, and if it comes down to a split ears serious rules, and especially in California about what happens, and you gotta make sure that you cover your basis on that front, man. Yeah. If if if a significant other has given a lot of pushback on a pre-nup is that a red flag? Yes. Really, really? I think so. Yes, I my last relationship I feel like whenever I get in relationships. No matter like how Sears it. There's always some talk about marriage. You know, it's like fun to imagine. And she was like fuck you. I wanna preach. I was like, yo, that's awesome. So attracted to me Hasley. Well, I know I know a couple of girls have I mean, we'll take the high road. And then I know some girls that will be like, you let you mother fucker. I'm taking you for every bit tooth and nail about ho- Cogan you ever read into the whole Cogan deal. However, whole Cogan loss. Like, I think he lost like you have to look it up. But I think seventy percent of what he what he had and his chick. I think from what I understand ended up with a younger Holt version, blonde hair big guy, you know, what they say they say the first time you marry for money. And then the second time you marry for love for women right because they take half the money on the first run the rich. And now they can beat someone actually if you choose right Mary once she was time for for money. And then love you. You know, what they really say? Is you you you you spend your youth chasing money for men you spend your youth chasing money, and you spend your money. Chasing, youth fact. Oh my God. So unfortunately, true. It is true. I've another one that goes the scene some happy rich guys man out there. There's there's another one where they say, you could always lose money chasing girls, but you'll never lose girls chasing money. True. Very true, bro. Girls can smell ambition. Absolutely. As they should that should be a good thing out when people talking about like, oh, you gotta watch out. 'cause I came from from nothing, you know, built my way up into the fight world, which still wasn't the greatest even as a world champion. It wasn't the most lucrative thing in the world. And people are always saying, you gotta be careful. People are going to be coming out of the woodworks and this and that and I feel like I'm a good judge of character. And on top of that, I never really had a problem with with females in the first place. So for me, it was like an expansion of of you meeting people in they I mean sure did things get easier. If you're on TV, but it's still I kind of the same, and you have to have a good sense of of, you know, personalities somebody in it for the right? And whatnot. And that's up to you to be able to judge that character. I don't you know, I don't blame a girl for for liking a successful guy. You know, my my dad had him Bishen. My mom has Embiid. Ambitions attractive agree is there is kind of switching topics a little bit. Is there? A is there a facade with the fight game? Like, you even mentioned that even when you're the world champion. It wasn't as lucrative as I would assume most people think is there a facade when it comes to being a fighter. Why why does a kid in high school want to grow up to become a UFC fighter? I mean guys at fight. And you took a fight. You didn't have to you took a fight against another guy in you knew felt the energy from it. You know, you got the satisfaction of landed all out on the line. But there's something internally in goes back to the wrestling side. And I I was looked at my wrestling criminals. Like man, why did I do I did it all through junior high high school in college? And it was a rough rough sport is just something internal that wants to prove. That you're the baddest dude on the planet. I don't know if it's an animal thing, I don't know if it's primal, primal thing. I it really is about getting things that you want in the most primal way to do it. So I think there's instinctual about it. And it's funny. I was a human development major in college. And they talked about a study they did in kindergarten kids where they asked them all individually took him into rooms like little boys in the rooms. And they would ask them. Hey. You know, who's the toughest kid in the class and individually? They all said that they are. Oh, should how how old were they can learn. So then they lined all up in front of each other in a circle in only a few stood up and said, they're the toughest our day. And that's just that's young kids. Not knowing their an experiment and showing, you know, cowering to two other individuals that are in front of him because of confrontation, but everybody kind of thinks they're stud until you're met with it. Did they at least like the people who ran the study? Did they at least let the ones that said on the toughest all brawl afterwards? Kindergarten. I think they didn't catch. Yes. They all fought. After bear out there. It's it's crazy. Like, I did a lot of studying in with with the humans interactions, and and cultures and just, you know, different developmental stages. That's why I've alpha male, I love the name alpha male. That's my brand. And it's it's more than just physical. It's mental. It's it's pushing through adversity. It's I mean, there's an alpha male male ballerina. There's an alpha male beta dude, become an alpha male. Absolutely really, there's there's there's well there's a bird there's a bird call the mannequin a mannequin bird. This mannequin bird is known for. They do these extravagant extravagant dances. They travel like groups of three and sometimes depending on the species, the type of mannequin Burt is they'll be in as much as like a six six people six six man group in the all do a dance choreographed together and the alpha male will stay in the middle and all the other birds will kick rocks, and he'll try to get laid at the end of it. So the do they'll put on a big dance backup dancers for alphabet. Alpha dudes wingmen literally wingmen. So so what will happen is the burst? There's three of them. And now, these are mannequins you're saying like in store fronts. Burning. So he's so these birds will sit there and dance dance dance that they'll puff up. And you should look it up. It's pretty funny actually, I've seen these birds, and then and then the two will kick rocks and the one will say they're in in work on getting laid. And it's a big shopping thing. Do that for me. I we do what do you think? Spot gas guys off. We've got some girls coming over. So. So definitely not as elegant. I think I think. So this is the man it converts. So so. Video of a dance video the. What are you saying the which one is the beta do so check it out. So they did a study in the in the the mannequin birds. If you're a wingman your chances of actually being the alpha male at some point are heightened dramatically so somebody just rolls on their own that doesn't happen. So the more you help you help each other out the more likely you are to get some top notch shoot. I mean that is top notch. Literally santosh. That isn't synonymous with what's been what's going on this podcast ever since been pulling Ella Taylor. That's called shrapnels. Did hit with the shrapnel. That's a good job on the grenade on occasion. You get hit with some shrapnel later. This is not the bird, right? That's. Oh, okay. So this bird doesn't moonwalk or something. Why was this lady? I don't wanna seizure. Wave a farm to see. Oh. Really I'll occurred. Look at him. I think she. A little moonwalk Jackson bird. Yeah. She's you gotta do the three in a row. It's funny because I my boy Chad Mendez, you know, Chad says, yeah. Chad's one of the best fighters on the plants is one of the kindest guys on the planet, and he's got a business called fins and feathers where he takes like trips for for people to with celebrities ago hunting and all this stuff, and I've gone on a couple of with them if real. Yeah. Connect these, bro. We do. Chad's the best his chips are amazing in in. You guys would would hit it off. Really? Yeah. And so we I've gone out. And he does he's crazy woman bear hunting. We went, you know, shooting fish with the arrows and in the middle of the night went did all this stuff. So so Chad takes me onto this big ranch. And I get I'm talking when these hillbilly dudes that are describing. All the different like kind of animal things that are happening. And there's one one goat. It's like the elk or some sort of animal that horny animal, and it's got a hero them of of women. There's like fifty women in this this one animals like yelling and screaming around. And he's in charge. He's the alpha of that group. And so he has like fifty women himself. The problem is with that that type of animal is there. Also, one of the biggest prey so they're yelling trying to get attention the girls in the hurting them all in, and it's that and they have all these chicks themselves, but it's like a short-lived glorious. Other hunters hunter, hunters, coyotes other planners everything. So there, you know, you wanna be quiet when you're out, and you're you're the prey out in the real world. But when you're screaming around trying to keep your chicks in line doesn't come steal them. You know, you're a sitting target. So we know that that guy will get killed and someone else will stand up and being charged with the heard, and then they they talked about this this one elk had a deformed horny broke his home news young you had one horn. And so normally have to and they go fight each other and they hadn't seen any baby elk for a while. And the guys they need those the animals to breed in bring more because that's how they make their money. And so this one horned elk kept on stabbing all the babies because it would turn it would turn the girls into back in the heat. So he was because he had just one horn. He could aim it. And he was he was like use little bitch. He was like harpooning. These these these babies, there's no no more babies around. They found out this one horn dude who kept on snagging up all the kids. And so so the evac even his own even his own, kids savage. He's trying to get on precedent that women back in heat never seen anything. Yeah. I mean, my dad always told me my penis would get me in trouble. Good. So far sort of what I've lost friends there. Wieners GM's to to their own penis. Yeah. Chasing girls, bro. As and other hurt in love getting engaged at like twenty years old like yo shot out, so stay hungry. My friends. Keep you in check one more. So I think you need a girl that keeps you hungry. That's like the idea girl, a motivator or like you said before that's attracted to that ambition. When you when you stop like chasing a goal or chasing like something next thing. Right. He's like, I don't really wanna fuck tonight here not doing shit. You're just sitting down the Mike Dennis. You know, push for big ambition. They, you know, they're lady boss. Yeah. The Queen Queen exactly. But on top of that, there's an I've seen it happen time and time again guys go off the wrong chicks in in just crush their confidence. And everything I I never really got that, you know, if a girl does your wrong or something like I on the next one just love do love, his love is tricky. Like when when you're in love, I don't think like typical rules of logic apply to anything, you know. True. Everything goes out the window, a stroke. Yeah. It's the worst seen one of your home. He's just I call it the sinking ship y'all just gotta salute Salou seaman Viking funeral flaming arrow vitamin fire phony when they come back like when their relationship ends, and they come back, and they're like where you guys do. They start this guy. Tax from somebody you having gone text from in like six months, and it's like how you been man. And you're just like I know it's not to throw him under the bus. But Mark donor. I got what you do today. And I'm lonely. Yeah. Are we haven't six? I love you market. I'm actually glad you're back to the light side time to slay again broke up with his girl lost thirty pounds. And he's looking good as fuck. He's back on his grind a knew. What a good girl will do though a good girl will find a guy at a weak point. And get them all tied up. I'm gonna hey you had a rough time you had your your your downtime in you and your career blue swoop in and grab them build them back up. Literally kind of hap. That's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good girl. Yeah. Great. Once you're fine. You just kill, you know, killer off and. Stabber with that. I don't know the details, you know, stabber with your on on on. You are. I'm just playing. Hey, would you ever fight animal? Do. Yes. I would I would one thousand percent fight animal if it were survival suggestions you'd have to. I mean, I'm I've thought about that before you know, is that what for the jugular, and well, there's that dude that just thought that mountain lion in California. Yeah. Yeah. Did you Hello killer turned out? It was it was called. But still it's I I read the story on that. It was like the revenue with where they slid down the hill at the bear. If you've seen that. Yeah. They slid down a hill really were going at it. And then they both slid down a hill. And then he got the upper ground and just choke. I guess the cogs are like, I don't know like thirty forty pounds, but it's thirty forty pounds of razor blades. You know, what I'm saying you guys you guys are little younger than I am. I'm gonna give you some. I'm going to give some homework. I might not be on a great movie the edge. Have you seen hedge with Alec Baldwin Baldwin? And what's old dudes him? Silence of the lambs. Actor. Yeah. Was handle actor you wanna talk about alpha male, where it where it goes from like, you know, it takes into all the things of animal nature, but intelligence, how important intelligence is and thinking outside the box and persuasiveness that movie is my ass one of my favorite movies. So all you young bucks out. They don't want to learn about life, watch them the trap that they set. Yeah. That's the thing. That's why I brought up the the they're getting track by man eating bear the whole time. And it's like they're stuck out in the wilderness and its is like they're they're either going to be killed and they have to there. They have to kill the baron. And it's all about intelligence your friends would Lance Palmer. Yes, sir. He's a bear little background on Lance Palmer. I I grew up with him sort of in Ohio. Yeah. No that. Yeah. He's our dads were family friends, Wayne, the pain JAT outweighing the pain man, if you get a fentanyl, easily don't follow his Instagram. But if you do. Instagram's duties. That way it's Palmer when I was young and I getting into wrestling. He was he was much older than me. But you know, he won four time champ all the shit, and Colin his little brother. Yep. Yep. He one of them wrestled a bear one of them wrestled a baby bear, and it was on Jimmy Kimmel way back when again like a decade plus ago, and I've always wanted to wrestle bear. Because of him doing it. And it was a big mistake. You actually did it. Yeah. Yeah. He Russell of show of mine. Bro. The power of these animals. I can't even begin to describe how easily he could have just ended my life that. Lance gave me the insight by the way on and how he did it. We isn't there like a button that you press in the bears. Handy. The tug his shoulder. It's a happy land said that that the problem is everybody tries to go in there, and and actually wrestle the bear. And he said the bears hips are like. The way to the ground at the ground. And so you have to play with the thing and go light on it. So it thinks you're playing and then you have to scoop at the hips and take them now. So honored Ethan. Yeah. And so salons dad, Wayne the pain he he actually worked at a at a animal reservation spot in Ohio. And so they have like a relationship with all sorts of animals, Lance grew up with those things they're all friends, so he'd wrestled the bear. But the bear was like his buddy. So we'd go a little light. And take the thing down. Khabib too. Yeah. But his ears are like, I think actually look legit Russia. Yeah. Yeah. That's possible. But you out side the cage or not maybe wrestling animals, but yo when I was younger. Little side side note, I had your picture up when I was working out. All right. Hey, you are you are favorite fighter. That's awesome. Yeah. For real. I remember you. You know, remember we met and outside of outside a vine and you're doing airplane on your little thing. And you like rolled up and like like, hey, dude that, bro. As you come out here. And you see celebrities like one by one I was like, oh probably fucking grew up literally at working out with this students firing me, that's cool. When was that could be five trying to like the old really old Chachi hover mired vine, man. What's up? This not making icons. I'm like what the hell is this fucking guy? Now, bro. He did that all the time. I lived across the street from vine, and I lived right on the streets. So I could see out. He would just scoop back and forth with Mark donor like randomly. We just be getting it. The fine vinyl was a great place for me. I like I used to live in there. Now, we've got a great place though. Yeah. But I was gonna say I used to watch videos on you of one of them like you talked about how you got to fight Ballo recently. I saw you got in a fight. Like are you getting the street fights a lot? Well, that's not a street fight. That's a third world country fight, which is not an irregular streetfight. That's like a fight for survival for your life. So that was what was the other one? You're talking about. I was recent. I was just I thought so could be wrong, but he was in another third world country. Let me see you can find it. I got I got run over by a car. Just just my foot and Singapore. That was that's what I'm talking about. Was that was an accident. No, okay. No. But the the one in Indonesia was literally in two thousand and five nobody knew who I was in. I was there in my buddy who is six months sober. And he didn't want to be out at the bars because you too hard for them and this and that and so. I stayed out. I met these girls from from Europe. And we're all dancing if the club and everything and not not tens necessarily. But we're having a good time and. And so in Indonesia, actually, they have they have women that come there to get wined and dined by the by the locals because they're like, you know, go there and says chicks go there and the locals are there. That's one of the ways they make some dough as they hang out with ladies there. And I think I might have been taken some business. You know, it was just me. Couple chicks dancing, some guy tried to start by with me. I blew him off. And again, I was I was a world champion on the small level wasn't even I mean there was no, Twitter or Instagram or anything back in this time. It was like, you know, I was on gladiator challenge and king of the cage on, you know, pay per views at nobody watched except for guys like Logan, you know. And and so I ended up showing the guy off and he kept starting trying to start fight with me. And I said, I gotta fucking problem real. And he's a good. He doesn't even speak English. I go let's go outside and that was the dumbest move. I mean, it's not about learning from your restate head of right? It started with him. I fought him. I broke his collarbone on the pot on this earth. This like monument for Australians that got bomb there up from the bomb does as basically and then and then one guy shows up has brass knuckles. I get tech by three guys. Then I run into the club. And they're all bouncers at it. No get attacked by twelve guys. Go to the back of the club. Go outside run down the street. Get attacked by four guys again run the opposite way getting a taxi get attacked by ten. Yeah. Thank God is just me. Because my buddies are trying to help out we're trying to help each other out is better. I just like literally run. Why got I went into like I'm running further and further from or from like from like civilization like getting into like huts and stuff like that. Mr dinosaurs. And shit. There's a Billabong shop, and I just associated Billabong with safety because I was familiar to me and they had people sitting in front of the doors instead of having doors. So the people are just sit there and watch it. I was your job. They got paid like a quarter to watch the front door quarter. And so I like run in the guys like, no, no, no, no. I tried to get me out on my bike, dude. You guys are trying to kill me. I'm covered in blood because I got hit with all these brass knuckle shafts. And then I come in these guys surround me, and there's three of them same guy when has little shoe hammer. How she's I like, I I'm like fake printed? Please leave me alone. Leave me alone is hit another one running again. I'm barry. Does evil eye shorts. I had a homemade perish short series that a little clothing line back, then their suit their suit material. I had no underwear. I lost my sandals loss Maha Las measure. I'm Mike pretty much but naked run through Indonesia. Just get my ass kicked by by angry people for them. A lot more than they dropped on my side. I was wanting me I guarantee you I represented for America. They don't mess with little white Americans. I'll tell you. You're going to say when you went to the Billabong shop that the Billabong people start beating you're asking like delayed again on the court. I really feel bad because I was getting blood everywhere. And the guy that's his job to sit there. Make sure no one comes in the store and I'm face palm like come in there and like safety Billabong America. Like, no, man. I'll do anything when you used to fight you. You would your huge on elbows. Yeah. Like that was your thing. I remember my dad and freak out when you just cut someone's face with an elbow and one fight. I remember you broke both your hands or something s. So you literally were fight was only you're only fighting with your elbows. Yeah. That was rough that I was against Mike Brown. I broke my the there's I have a steel plate in my hands still shit the fourth and fifth metacarpal. I snapped when and shattered the other and that was. That was Mike Brown. The second time I found the first time I fought him. I did like jumping back elbow and got caught. So this is the rematch in my hometown. And I broke my hand on his forehead like putting new knee in the first round. And then the third one I dislocated my thumb you can still see that bump right there. So I had no hand no hands for in a title fight twenty five minutes for in my hometown. On on, you know, millions of people watching at home is she was walking close to them as close as I couldn't start elbowing the crap out of crazy always out of in the fifth. Why you think I'm not seeing as many elbows as as I as I used to. And even when we Tyron Woodley on here. He said he doesn't album he's stone three albums because they hurt they hurt his elbows. Really? That's what he said. You know? I remember you. I used to have especially my first fights. I remember my first fights, my this part of my knuckle because I wasn't trained well enough in two thousand three two thousand and four and I would just get crazy in this part of my. Knuckle at her my elbows hurt my knees would hurt because I was punching incorrectly. When I got when I first started fighting, but the elbows definitely they hurt but not as bad as your hands or harasser just putting hands yet. There's so many small bones here. Elbows are our money. I don't know why more people don't throw elbows. He does John Jones. Oh my God. We just saw them nasty elbows grow. It's it's funny. You talk about things taking you out of out of contention in the match and you move moving elbows. I'm from the same city believe it or not as Nick Newell. You really didn't fight. I was just talking to them today. There's one arm. Yeah. The US Milford. We would always go to the bars when his fights would be on. And we would watch them, and he would submit people with one arm and the bar would go fucking not dude is a monster. Yeah. Have you seen Nick? Newell. Newell. I was just texting Nick. No, he just had a little boy also. So he's he was talking about that. But I remember Nick Newell went to one of my seminars when I was in Texas, and I remember him, obviously, he's got stub in house elbow to elbow. And so we were working on my my thing was guillotine chokes. I was making modified guillotine choke to them and he's choking everyone. It is professional career. And then he actually they filmed the movie in Sacramento about Nick Newell. And I had a couple of my buddies in it. What was the the movie you sent me? No, that's that's my movie that we just we just what Rhys. What are you doing? Now. Feel you're doing a lot like you up about fighters or are you still tree by the way? We almost had Logan pulse. Asia North fight. We're so close this guy want. He's too expensive for us to. Like fucking good. His shit is good good. You know, he wants the pong. We'll I old unit really happen. First before we get into the all the stuff, I'm getting into Logan. I met Logan on the street street corner. And I was like, you know, he he was super cool about you know, talking about is is finishing for 'em may and how he watched me don't want up and whatnot super spectral. And and so we kept in touch throughout the years. And then I saw he did this fight the boxing fight, which was genius. And an awesome fight, by the way. And I was like, and then he's and then he had a TMZ thing or something else about the UFC sandina. Why don't wanna fight UC? And I was like, bro. You ready to come train? You let me know. He's like all right. Where are you at? And so we were talking about that then two days later him and save start going back on on that. North. And then at the same time sage became a free agent in his dad was like not happy with the UFC and stuff. And I said I said Logan, bro. This'll be a one time thing you guys could kill it. You could get some some some real credit, and like, you know, the idea and him and Logan him and sage fighting. And I watched the skies wrestling because I went and did some research six in the state in Ohio is good Ohio is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Seventh in the state is amazing. It was seventh place. No at one hundred eighty five pounds and sages fodder sells like this'll be a big fight. But sage now sign with one FC. It's still fight. We can make happen and it very well. My I'd like to with them because just like a sparring anime guys is so different than than boxing. I'm a boxer now. But realistically, I am so much more of an enemy fighter. Like after this fight with care Kassai. Do one more boxing thing. And then I'm going to move to to Emma may like I'm going to go in the Stephen A YouTubers take let me let me let me say why tell you why you'd be a great fighter. First off confidence is key. Second off a grappling base is massive genetics and athleticism plays a big role. But. The the the audience that you have from the guys that are haters to the folks that love you like people will pay to either stay task or a kick someone's at the business side. It makes sense for whatever organization takes them. I I watched the video of him yesterday that his mom showed me of him wrestling Kate in the basement when he was probably what fucking this was seven eight years old and the kid to do the kid obviously was completely unwilling the logo which is beating the shit out of. Sean, Sean, Sean Sharma west. The next problem to a. A reactor because this was before I box or picked up anything like this, bro. We used to do the same. The slow mode. It's us beating the shit out of each other. We did we did this as that legal that move in MMA? Would it be legal to sit on someone in punch him in the back like that? Yeah. You could do that. I mean, you got to really pick your opponent to find someone let let you do that. I'm a fighter like. Yeah. Viseu you to would be a fighter, and if it wasn't a fighter I be killing. Isis dudes. Yeah. I think you should do all those things anyways. Yeah. You should find it. I don't think they'd let me in the arm like if you wanted to sign up for the army with with me, I don't think they've not old now, it's not it's not that you don't want arm. You want to go on with the contractors? You want go on on the private side because they'll pay you a million dollars per kill over there for high value targets special ops. Got a special ops guy. I I went to a lot of USO tours. But I won't own what BJ pin Carlos Condit and Michael bisbee in two thousand eight like right after I fought, Jen, silver, and and we did all these tours all these crazy like land and all these different little spots guys are setup and whatnot and the special ops guys. They had it made. I mean, they they don't have to wear shoes. They wear the hair. However, they want they just have their own little area where their fire big ass. Crawling rangers. And seal special ops, guys. They're like the leader the Eliya that'd be something that we are cool. That's the move. I wish I could stay young forever. Because I got some stuff to do now for the next seven years like with Hollywood and digital. But I heard you're talking about what you wanna do. I wanna go back 'cause you're you're talking about that. Like, what are you doing do? What do I do now? So everything for me has been around my passions have a book that is just about that. And I wrote it back in two thousand eleven about following your passion, and it was a called it's laws of the ring. And and for me mixed martial arts. Combat sports is a passion businesses passion. Real estate's passion, my dad's a contractor, my mom, small business owners, and then entertainment, I've always had a big big interest in entertainment. And so I have a production company. We just finished her first feature film, which I showed you fever. Green fever, which we're going to be coming out soon with. Was actually really impressed. And I'm not just saying that c- Schutte films all the time. Yeah. Looked great. The acting was on point trailer was dope. Just hope they know the movie's really a non send you a screener for it. And we we actually been working on a couple of different projects. And we through that thing together in a matter of months with next to nothing budget with everyone that knows what they're doing my partner. Jared Roxburgh he's he's actually an editor for living, but he's a director and writer, and so we through my boy, Andre touchy feely in there, who's another fighter time he'd killed it. And and so we actually showed it to the first person was lines yet, we had an offer from Lionsgate I and grindstone so negotiations there. But it's just got a a calling card for the next thing. You want to do to track is like like yourself if we want to get a town attach. And we say, hey, look, this is the this is the budget. We did with no name talent. And we're able to pull this off like now, we're gonna pay some cash budget. The budget is. Well, there's a line budget where you just figure out how to do it. But we just did the bare minimums we had a single location south shot the film in a single day. We had all the filming single day ten days. I'm single, but but the film the the movie takes place in a single. Okay. So the so it's from I'd like the morning, then I like those and it's easier to make and then we used all like real like arm's length buddies for like active actors that are talented but haven't had their opportunity yet. And and we just have professionals Jared in his crew are they all went to school together. The DP was a super talented guy who's who's second-generation DP, and we killed it. And that's just you know to get the ball rolling on. I have like five other scripts, and I'll talk to you more about it offline too about some simple working on we. Yeah. Speaking of which. The current events. So we've we got news last night that evidently the people who were responsible for producing Logan Paul's flatter documentary are now working on a follow up. Wow. That allegedly takes place in Russia. Wow. Meaning, and I don't know. We'll talk about that break. That's breaking news. Like, this is just come in over the liar. But it's it looks like it's so fresh. There's not even anything he's reading. That's how fresh his that is fresh. Wow. Yeah. I wanted to I wanna talk to you about it afterwards. People behind the project really passionate about it. Maybe making nother movie maybe with that guy right there. How's how's the movie? I I like I like, obviously long form content is well what I'm really impressed by your ability to branch out. And I think it it becomes it stems from you use the word passion, you have a passion for these things. Like you've been able to not just be a UFC fighter, which I don't think a lot of people who retired from the are able to do. Yeah. Kind of disappear. It's become a coach or whatever. But you really branched out. Are you still training you of C or may though? Oh, yeah. I mean, that's part of my day in real estate's. A big passion. My gym is a real estate play on top of got nice. I got a couple of gyms of got three in the Sacramento area and have a private little gym on the northern coast. Which if if we ever want to do a training camp rocky solid training camp real. Yeah. That would be the spot. Why is this knowing it's not snow is right on the on the northern coast. It's point arena. The most western point in the west coast. There's four hundred fifty people in the town. I have a building with like ten bunk beds and a little back, Jim. And it's like nobody's out there. You can jog to the peer you. I mean, it's just good food and isolation. It's got we might have to do that question about your pursuits, really quick. Because this is something that I think about I think maybe some other people out there think about from time to what do you how do you like justify a new project or like, how do you decide what you want to do? And what you don't want to do. Because it sounds like you've got your hands in like everything right now. Like what if something new comes up tomorrow? Like, how do you decide like, oh, this is gonna push me over my limit on time or on on like and without whatever. Yeah. And all its own not, you know, rainbows in in in and shit. It's it's it's tough being an entrepreneur as entrepreneurs you're like always looking for new opportunities. So you just have to learn your lessons in and understand like what your core values. And what what are you really looking for? What are the things that you're passionate about? And I. I see a lot of things in a specially when you're in the limelight. And I'm sure you guys know people are always trying to pull you in their direction. It's like, you gotta you gotta remember what your direction, and I've I've been victim of it as well. And there's a good analogy. Like, if if I want to sit down next to Logan Paul and he's sitting right here. I got to sit down and in and look right at him. If he gets up and starts walking I want to continue the conversation. I need to get up. And I start walking with him. If he starts running. I gotta run with them. If he gets on a bike. I gotta get on a bike. I want wanna keep that conversation going. So for me, I always have to remember, you know, I can I can feel like minded people, and I'm a pretty good judge of character. But it's real easy to get pulled in a different direction. So I gotta remember look I'm going to pull people in my direction and not the other way around. So if it's fitting what I'm doing you have to be a little bit selfish on that side. Then then that's kind of the key. Because you get good sales guy. A good sales guy can sell anything, and they they yanked. And they pull in their persistent and everything else. So you have to keep keep on your focus and say, okay, who who's playing on my on my level and who's into what I'm doing. And if something is outside, but it makes sense, and I'll do it. But for the most part, it's like, you know, try to try to say laser focus, and I've had issues with that past two. I wrote four rules about a month ago when I was. Beginning to get inspired to create content again, I put him in my bathroom. It's like the positive affirmation manifest type mindset. And I think number one is stay in your lane. Yeah. I think I think that's that's a big because I get so distracted. And I'm I'm like, I'm a bit of a. Yes, man, in a way. Also, we I mean driving around, but you also truly believe you can do anything. Yeah. Yeah. I'm that way to you got to remember like there's somebody better sometime for sure sure. Stay in your lane Edwards is huge. Because I also like it can be disappointing or. Yeah. It can be disappointing. When you have a goal to do something. And there's someone already doing it full force. They've been in it for ten years. And they've achieved everything that you're aiming to achieve but you're starting from ground zero. It can what's the word. I'm looking for frustrated like disheartening disheartening. Yes. Or it. Can it can turn you off real real quick? So if you stay in your lane and you're competing with yourself. I think that that's the that's the mindset I'm taking on twenty nine hundred. Thank you have to come back to you you re identify your skill set because sometimes year like in that lane. And you're like, wow, I want to experience other stuff. So you it takes wandering off to remember what you're really good. Yeah. That's a healthy. I think anything that the wording on that. I wouldn't want people to get confused where it's like stay in your lane. Like don't explore like outside of your comfort zone. But like his I think the point of it the true nature of it is stay laser focus on trying to do. And don't go into the, you know, those pursuits where you're trying other things thinking, you can be the Everest or you need to be something fun. Like like I made a song. And it's just something where it's like. Yeah. I wanna make it and have fun have a song that I can have to my name. That's a good point too. I feel like every thing you do in life like not everything you do has the same angle. Like sometimes the goal is to make money. Sometimes it goes to be creative or have fun. So it doesn't always have to be. What do you think that his belief that he can truly do anything? He wants something that, you know, I like to believe myself, and I know a lot of people do is the true basis of being an alpha do think, that's no I like is that confidence the first alpha trade or what's the highest rate to make you an alpha male. I think in alpha male means a lot different things females. There's a lot of Al females out there. I. I think partially, but I mean that can waiver as you know, you have a big downfall. And you're like, you know, people are turning on you, and where everybody go, and that kind of stuff that happens a lot in the fight game in you've I'm sure you've felt it also you're like, okay. You get a realization of of who is who. But that inner confidence in a lot of times, the alpha male mentality is there kind and they're encouraging, and they bring people up, and they want you know, because they don't have to. They don't have to. There's not a confidence thing we have to break people. Yes. It's it's it's a domination by by being. You know, compassionate, good and compassionate and an elaborate in collaborative and that kind of stuff a leader leader someone who's a leader. So, but that inner confidence is really important. And that's that's like me. Also, when we talk about the the different things that that you get pulled in different directions as long as you're not getting too far away. You can always go back to the things that you love. And and that's that's that's me. I still have I built my gym. Which is I like to get you guys down and check it out sometime. Maybe go on my podcast. I started. Yeah. And then check out it's kind of like my little fantasy factory. Have you know, my office is set up there, and we have a lot of things going on. But at the end of the day, you know, I'm still around what my passion is. And what I'm great at still get up early in in have a a few hours of mentoring and coaching with with the next generation of guys. And then I go into business, and then I go into you know, being with with with the baby or whatever's next, but I'm not far away from a fight. Like, you know, I I could jump in and fight at any moment because I I built a skill so high, and I didn't get too far away from it. And you know, that that's that's kind of the next such ground about you. Yeah. Yeah. Are you going to get back in the ring possibly possibly? I'm doing a big grappling match in the UK on the twenty fifth. And there's a lot of stuff happened in the weight class right now, it tells about that you've got your you've got gotta fight coming up with an eighteen year old. Let's. It wasn't. Yeah. Yes. That's how you promoting. What's his name is name is NICKY Ryan, his brother's name is Gordon Ryan you're gonna kill this kid. Bo. I look at know. It seems like I'm the underdog, bro. Strict strictly experience men. Are you only grappling? Yeah. That's the thing. And that's your hunching. That's part of what got me going on on wanting to fight is because you know, I don't like to talk. When when someone is getting on my nerves where I've itching to get in there and fight the reason I retired was just felt like it. You know, I was like his time to go your way. Sued. Roll-on video watch some of his videos, this guy just cleaning house on. No, no with check out his brother to Gordon Ryan how you guys some lower. Nikki. And Gordon are you are you boys with boys? That's the wrong. That's that's fell man. He's like a seven time world champ that I'm gonna win again. So does I know you've got us. It looks like the kid that bags my groceries at stop and shop. There's no way you're fighting this little kid, dude. He's we're not fighting on jitsu now. Yeah. That's that's right there. You got to see that. I was going on here. It's been issued to compete this young stunk has been rocking the BJ world. Dow one of the best in the planet only eighteen years old all yes, we just rest people's arms are super technical. And he's been on home say since he was like fourteen just doing jitsu all day a boy. Oh, boy, come on out. There jujitsu is is one of those things especially the technical guys that might be JJ one plant first off. I am planning on winning. So you guys didn't take go. Still just don't pull a Tyron Woodley on us. All right because it's time we had someone on that talked about how confident they were. We put thirty thousand on in. The fight games tough game. But but what I've learned training for this. I'm like, you know, what I'm gonna in that. That's where videos hilarious a little kid steals. The show. That's a good video. What's this? This would be doing if I had these role models. Looks like me when the podcast is over. Gene. Oh my God. They have no idea. I'm he gets inspired by the next moves right here. He's like, oh, okay. I'm stepping up my game. Here. It is gloves on your Instagram. That's incredible. Was going in. He's after working is really just making the youth. So so buys an intelligent. Hey, he's good. Sommes subsidies. He's already balding. Yeah. That is. But anyway, by the first one, so when I started when I started training jitsu, it just made me realize like I like trained for 'em may, and then a lot of things are happening. You know, TJ Dilshad has got got scooped for something illegal stuff, and he he'll probably be coming back. But if I don't do it now, it's not going to happen. I mean, yeah. Because I'm getting older and some of my peers, I talked to guy Merlo Bustamante fought he forty six with the highest level guys in these never taken any PD's or anything, and he was in pride and everything else. He was a study came down to my gym in in kind of gave me a pep talk. And I mean, it's it's definitely very very tempting I'm thinking about hopping in after my birthday in getting a couple in. We'll see I mean, rather be crazy. Who would you wanna fight? Well, the guy I mean t Gs out because he's on suspension now at least for a year if he's only there for a year year at least for a year. We don't know exactly what's going on. That comes back, hopefully, allay the land beggar McGrath just talked to McGregor for real. Yeah. He's do. Do you do? We'll see up to. He's he's ball Umbro. Yeah. He's he's bowling. He he's out. You know, I think he got he took somebody's phone and smash because they wouldn't leave him alone. And he's got you know, this going on. But he's just he got two kids and he's Levin life. You said he retired like the day after I said, I was possibly come out of the tire. And then he's and then I think he's just jockeying for position try and get a piece of the company, but he that guy's a baller, man. He knows what he's doing. Are you in the same way classes that dude that we watch get slammed at what's that douzaine asking Ben row now see that? Yes. Ma'am. So what we were there. When the clown. Dude as a clown. I see one. What he also also is a a kind of a warrior. He was he was on his medal. I knew Olympic we were like yo you ref half. The call the fire now like it was bad. Like he was basically just like I never gave up on him. I was John. Nah. I was like trust. I mean, no offense, Ben. But like the he's got a dad Bod like for real unbelievable. What's the how does that? We're in right now his. So so dead is literally they in college. He had the weirdest strangest style and he's like a unique cat. Yeah. It's called the seem right here. But he he got that self belief, bro that self leak goes a long way. And then he's got years and years and years of becoming an extreme Asser Olympic level master at one of the most important disciplines in in our sport. Which is wrestling. That's how I mean. He he just he's back in the last one. And he's so funny. He's Larry's he rose people on Twitter. Twitter. He asked why he asks Logan go. What was it canoeing and sodas some random adventure activity? I'm down, by the way, we can do it. But yeah, he's a B. And why I can relate is when I wrestled there was this kid from Loveland, Ohio his name was gonna lay and the sick name, by the way. I mean, he was born to wrestle as was to be a warrior, and he was mad. But he I mean, he was a little showed if I'm being honest and meow coming in like six foot like Kana jacked after I was gonna wreck this kid but his record set. Otherwise, I'm like, I'm not sure what makes what's happening here beat me twice one of the one of the two kids I lost to that year. So you just don't don't let men's physique effort dictate how powerful especially especially height, dude. That's one thing. You will you can learn the hard way like going like somebody because they're shorter than you is. Can become problematic. Do you find someone did you did you have a problem with the aspirin stoppage? There was a lot of talk about on that fight when he got slammed. And then he choked out the dude, I didn't I didn't have a problem with it. I mean in retrospect, I mean, it's the same thing. People asked about like, TJ, stoppage and everyone else's stoppage. And I had a I had probably two stoppages that were like do why the hell did you stood like, we're we're risking our lives literally day in and day out fighting the best guys on the planet. Sometimes hours a day three to five hours at times. And we have fifteen minutes or twenty five minutes to fight. Don't be so compassionate for us referees. Like, let us get our head stomped infrastructure like that. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, we're we're like the cream of the crop. When it comes to tough tough dudes on the planet, like we're okay. With an extra punch every once in a while. And so it's a fine line. They're walking really fine line too. Because technically it's their job to make sure you don't die in there. So it's to your and I agree with that. But like when it's there's a question at all like like because somebody's going to pass out. Like, I had a fight against Cassiem is a gawky where I was squeezing him season. I didn't let go to the rep and often the ref was the super late. So look like he was dead like his eyes roll back, and I was probably squeezing for like ten fifteen seconds pass when he passed out. And so tells the scary moment, but what happened? He just woke up how long does it take before? Brain is fixing starts like be. Putting it takes a couple of minutes has anyone ever died in the on. There has been there has been on some smaller shows, but we gotta understand about our sport is some of these unsanctioned shows or shows on any casinos where the lower level guys. They'll let anybody fight like you could go I shouldn't say just let anybody fight. But for an amateur going into the pro whatever there's some ways where if you wanna to get in a fight you could get in a fight. And so there's been some scenarios where guys had had passed, you know? Physical issues and there've been some deaths here and there, but it's not like a a rampant thing in the there hasn't in pride. There hasn't been in Bill toward there hasn't been in one FC and all the big shows are has not been that is a dangerous. It is dangerous. But that's what I thought it's not I wouldn't say like fatal, but boxing is correct boxing. There has been some fatalities in the differences. It's it's can cuss blows over and over again, you can stop. They let your recover for ten seconds. Then go back into get a beating and it's not super prevalent, but it does happen. And so, you know, you're looking at a sport. That's you know, one of the oldest sports on the plan is boxing. And and these these guys sometimes are are getting hit in the head starting at, you know, eight nine ten years old at their dads are crazy enough having him Spar and whatnot. So accumulation of stuff, and then you're you're you're going with the guys at hit the hardest and the plant they're literally dangerous weapons. So it has happened. In the past, but it's not like super prevalent. What are your thoughts on bell tower? And and and you have see and the future of the sport. I mean, do you see have you have has there been a decline in viewership? Like, what's what's what's next or what's the future? Look like, I mean, the sports blown up. I don't know if there's a small dip in viewership or whatever they're saying they keep changing things up like right now ESPN has the right CFC. It was FOX in ESPN is is has a as their own plan from a business standpoint. I get what they're doing like having their own platform. You have to download it and whatnot. But the sport as a whole in the world is booming. Big time one FC is massive over in China. That's where sages got signed for. That's where the Logan Paul season with got fight will happen in China where what city well, Singapore might be good instead of China. Hi, I'm Dan. So so honestly, so just so, you know, sage hasn't his contract that he can do a special. Doubt. And they will help co promote it with a celebrity talk to me about the racks the racks will be there for Schrafft's. We'll be there in China. I mean, this'll be a worldwide thing. We'll talk more about it as someone for me. I'm not very well versed in fighting. I'm like really, I find that hard to believe. Like covering NICKY. Ryan, he's lethal. Different ways. I believe it. If you got hunting. Hunting linguists you've got a plan. He will devote or run very far distances. He's he's he's ironman athlete is not telling you. I'm curious. What do you think fighting will always be a sport that's built for those underdogs the people in like urban areas that have a tough background or is fighting a sport where like wealthy people and establish people are getting in and finding success. I really it's both. But I would say here and BJ pens, a good a good example of this BJ Penn is is one of the toughest parts of the US. Hawaii unknowingly is is a scrappy place. Like if you're in Hawaii you scrap. That's that's Lewisville it all big time. But he also has a family that's pretty well to do. But he he grew up in Hilo where everybody's meshed together. So who has a better chance the guy has a family that's supportive with food on the table every day who still in the ghetto or the. Guy. That's struggling. I mean, in my opinion, people with a good family like support system or some support system, grandma and teacher, whatever and the right mentality. We'll have success. And it doesn't matter. If you look at Brazil, I can name a bunch of fighters that were extremely wealthy and some that were extremely poor that have had success. It's all on the individual. We've known we've met rich guys that are that are douche bags and we've met rich guys at a cool as hell you've met poor people that are on the same spectrum, some cool, some some some D bags whatever it's really on the individual in fighting is something that's internal. I think human nature is always gonna be intrigued in the fight game. But all money helps how you as long as you have the right mentality. Look at Floyd Mayweather, his is his dad in his uncle were successful Bacher, boxers. And then he grew up in that life and took it to a whole new level. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to the audio only QNA when I dive into little depressing juicy she hit. So thank you for coming on in Boston. Yeah. Your favorite, ladies and gentlemen, where can they find you on social Jesse riot favor on Instagram one of the coolest names, ever, by the way? After second to garnered second overlay as a good one. As a good one guys hit that subscribe button. If you were not subscribed. Thank you for watching audio only QNA with your favorite right now, you can find out on Spotify. And I tunes up hugging. So next time who's. Here. We are back here. Nothing's changed. Should we argue like we did last time if not that would go good? I gotta have you say what's up to Ashley doors actually doors? Yeah. What's good actually doors? Yeah. Big fan of yours. Go my girl's friends. I'll tight. Yeah. And she likes you brother to know my back back. Ashley. Jay school. Roger you playing video games your ya. Where are you from pronounced pronounced it right now? I'm just your Rhode Island jas. I said that I don't know the mic my mic jangle. Yeah. It was the Mike. Shit. Do you play any video games? I don't what do you think about video games think they're bad influence on kids? I don't I don't necessarily think they're bad in bad influence, but some ways the ones that like you can like live your life in a video game. Like, you can make money in your friends are on their etc. It can be bad. If you're not doing the rest of the stuff in the world like craft like she's like getting exercise and actually meeting other. You know, other people in the real world and stuff like that. So I would say, yeah, I just never my brother love video games, and he was two and a half years older than I was. And so he was always able to play. And I just sat there and watched and doesn't. Doesn't know the guy. The purchase as a good person. For the reason, I asked Prince Harry is saying that fortnight and some social media shouldn't be allowed in the UK because they're created to addict children. Ooh. I I believe that good job, Harry, John. I played a world of warcraft when I was young like often addicted cried because they got I got kicked out of McGill like staying up till seven am rose. Like, no, it was bad. I was eleven years old, and I was sobbing crying on the floor pounding. Wow. And my parents always yell at me that would make me go outside and I just throw temper tantrums. But after I was done with the game. I realized what addiction was and as crazy as it was I have never been addicted to anything else after that besides creating content because I know how dangerous that hole is. And if I sent myself going there even us in this started to say. Like, we go in these waves. We're like we'll play four, and it just sucks you in. Then we'll go on the waves where we're all motivated. We have game doesn't get turned on to turn it off. I mean, we got to a point the last one where we were starting to literally see it start to suck energy out of some of our other projects, and we're like, yo literally we have to make the stop. And so we actually had off of a signed into an inpatient rehab for fortnight. Where they just don't have video. There's not me. Fortnight in forty two days, six hours and fifteen minutes. And we go to thing called FA. It's four hundred synonymous. And what's now is that real that'd be awesome. What is the best way to deal with the loss? Should you lose a flight? I think the best way in the hardest part about losing is all the people you let down, and it's not you 'cause you at least get exude, you know, your effort and whatnot. So it's just getting right back in the gym showing face with people, you know, and and just get right back on the grind. It's it's it's the best way. Absolutely. What's the best way? To celebrate a win a win, you go and ham and cheese. Yeah. I've had some some rough night's after winds would have also had some great just dinners with the homeys. And and and kick it, but I I would say I used to have to have after parties because they were like contracted to have after parties, and my would hurt like Woodley. Really? Well, I mean, if you're getting paid you'll get paid to go do it. But for me that was more for everyone else. I I like to take a couple of weeks before I go have my party. I've already planned on raging after the fight. And I did not because it was a song made for the wall all that shit. All that shit. I just was not in the mood. They didn't maybe because it was I don't know like drinking and partying, you know. How did you? Celebrate a draw. So. Yeah. The draw. Go celebrate. You. Celebrate the rematch that say, hey, we're going to have a rematch right away. Yeah. What's more? Or just say you won. I won the. The. Well, we did do that. Because we played the video back. We're like, you know, these are the reasons why. What's the favorite thing? You've done as a celebrity or your favorite celebrity amenity. The favorite thing about celebrity issue. I mean like a celebrity celebrity, but is being able to wear sandals and a hat in whatever I want to places that's all like even clubs right? Whatever the hell you want. I I mean, I'm not a type of guy that would be like, hey, you know. Do you know who I am or that kind of stuff? But like if they let you in because I like comfort guy, and I hate getting dressed up when I don't want us all like hat sandals. If I can wear that anywhere. That's been the my favorite thing. We have kicked off your shoes, you're barefoot. Now, I've been doing California kid we'd say we have a we have a chef here. I know it is gonna tell you I- Logan's only thinking about himself sent him a bunch of trifecta nutrition company. Do it organic food delivered to your doorstep? Nice. And and actually have a small part of the company that that that is me. But I'm just one person that eats it, and we have the UFC now, it's one of the main sponsors in the AFC. And so they they feed all the of C fighters, and they actually have a chef that comes for the fight week. So I'm gonna hook you. Although you guys have this this I told him because he offered us. I am good. Thanks this arsenals. Yeah. Or whatever it is gone. Oh, she is a goddess the reason I is because he asked about amenities, and I was talking to the other day asked. What is the one thing? Like post all of this that you would have the hardest time living without for me. It's like waking up in the morning, and you have a text. It's like, your bacon eggs, and blah blah's way on the fucking table. That's nice. That's a that's a good one beautiful. Let me see what are the. I think just also the access you get to. I mean, I've been some amazing places in a may met some amazing people. You know, I had I was at a Buddy's house and blues ios Brazil. We're at this old fifteen hundred may look like an old church was some fifteen hundreds and it was on this massive ranch. He had his own. Jet like like runway outside and he's like, oh, I'm having a party tonight. Like literally down in the pasture, and I'm like, oh, cool it or having a DJ or something like that. He literally had four of the best deejays. I mean by the time the lights went out. It was we walked down his dirt path past the cows or whatnot. And he had set up a VIP station lobster like like all the they had four hundred deejays that went through the whole night. And it was like having a party in. And it was like that kind of thing that would you would never see again, we we've got I've got to do so much stuff. Thanks. Thanks to being friends with Logan. I mean, we've been to two deer valley these thirty million dollar houses and all these things and now we have Coachella coming up next weekend. And actually, I put this together, which is pretty cool. But we got we got a pretty big house right next to Coachella on a big party. And every I went last year briefly home through. Now, do you like we've got a baby. Now, you got that baby. We'll bring the beach. I'll talk to my girl. She she may. We'll figure it out. But that time have you all popped down. Come by. We'll try to meet up. Okay. Cool. I've won one question. If you existed during the Roman times, do you believe you would have been a gladiator? Let's question. I hope it king. I would have been have been king that I see that would have been a wannabe fighter. Hopefully, it was a king. Maybe did they have like, but yeah, I think I think I have some internally that if you have dropped me in any place in time that I would have been going to combat in some way, shape or form of always just like that the likes of lesser form of like Napoleon complex like being a shorter guy. You know? I remember feel like you just wanna fuck up every tall, dude. That ever talks to you know, I've I've seen the opposite. I've had like a big I've seen like the big guy syndrome resist gonna win. But I I never really got that. And I think it's part of being delusional. Like, I literally was on a a training camp with with Randy couture. Tito ortiz. Quinton rampage Jackson Frank Trigg and James Irvine all these big guys. And when I first started Emma may in Frank Trigg, he fought one hundred seventy pounds, and he was weighing about one ninety five and I was one hundred forty five pounds. And I told him I go I go, bro. Tomorrow. They'll be some more guys are size? Would you stop saying that me, and you are not the same size of one hundred ninety pounds? And I'm like fuck it was like a real relation like oh shit. I signed never really I never really doesn't affect you at all. And I I've always had you know, I I never I never really got picked on or anything. Like that was a nice kid. I used to do like, you know, acting in commercials when I was a kid tight in that kind of stuff. So I wasn't like a had a lack of confidence. My parents are super loving. And my mom's a talent show is pumped me up were you ever? Manny extremes. I don't know why you strike me as like you'd be be a maximum skateboard kit. You're from so Cal where he ever in any of that. Or no, no, not really I I mean, I got pretty focused on why it was football. Then I played little roller hockey than it was wrestling in. And then it was fighting. And I say pretty folks I I used to do like when I was real real young. We used to get on rollerblades new some Tracy shit. Like we had like we play some full-contact hockey. And we'd have like these crazy wars that we just take over. And we had big ramps that we made and stuff like that. So a little bit of that. But not not not in that. I'd never had the leisure time. Man. I was I was focused. Yeah. You say you're a nice guy. But what what will it take to set you over the edge like to get the the MMA fighter out of you? If you're at our whole foods in some dudes being a douche bag in the in the plant. It's not mispronouncing your name. I hope right now. You know, I think it's I don't like like somebody that has less. That's getting picked on or something like that. I don't like that. I've always you know, if you've seen if you see somebody that. That is a little bit helpless and is getting getting mess with that. Can that can turn me off on a only level, and I don't mind being combative? I mean, I've been in some streetfight especially in college quite a few because I'm not a talker. And you, you know, you guys know there's different communities with different sets of rules like some in some neighborhoods. You can get in someone's face. Dangle your head and talk shit, some people like you don't say a thing you sneak up and hit someone who have in some people. You meet me at the park, some people you get stabbed or or a gun show. You know, like, so I I've always been in the case of like, okay. Somebody's bringing a fight to me. I'm not gonna say much. I'll just go so a friend. Yeah. Because if you if you wait too long stupid, I agree with you because I'm the same way. Like if as soon as it gets two words or within a very close range like I'm sorry. I'm just going down. Dude. I'm swinging like I don't wanna wait for. I don't wanna get hit. Because sometimes that one hit kaput. You on a curb pick-up? Happen. So as soon as it starts to get that feeling that sons about to happen. I'm throwing them. You don't want to lose consciousness in a in a street. Oh hell now. This is where I could end certified store that. I don't have. Very true. You've thought of it though accounts I want I wonder if. You being a dad now, you'll get those Papa bear instincts. If your kid gets picked on at school or or some other parody. No ballgame is soccer game is giving me a hard time. Knock paramount in the stands, you know. It's Brennan boss. I didn't shop said he's got the Papa bear comes out. Sometimes. Yeah. What triggers him and? I would say, you know, what though, you know? What's what's more intimidating than anything? And I've found this throughout the years is like true confidence like where it's an unshakable confidence. Like if someone like AMI times that you've been in a situation where somebody is trying to Tim date you and you can tell whether someone's intimidated or not you can tell by the look by their demeanor. If somebody you know that that's a void. A lot of fights Romy is me just like having a presence of early. Yeah. That big time. Just like, I don't know. I'm gonna take straight up standing around. San staying calm in like if somebody's eating unruffled up. We like, you know, just they can tell like, oh, wait a second. This guy has zero you know, but I also feel like I've always looked at was someone's responsibility. And I think you probably due to at least give diffusing shot. You know, what I'm saying like like unless they cross a very specific line for the most part like somebody like there's always ways, or at least ways you could try to talk Centene to the fuck in person. But I mean, I it gets to a point where you have to make a judgment call. You don't want to be there. Like, listen, man, come near senses. It's like more like, hey, guys. I I'm like, I don't I'm not trying to fight anybody here. And then if it consists if it goes past that because a lot of times, you say something like that. Like, hey, I'm not trying to fight anyone from here like here, then that gives them a little confidence. Like, oh, what you do, you know like in a life for the fire yet to get in a fight as an adult, and I don't know why I feel like all my friends have a fee. Heckled all the time in the streets. Maybe it's 'cause we're. One video you guys stopped you and you had to talk him down. And that was good. You did a good job Ghulam trying to fight anyone like I give diffuse like I diffuse until they throw like if they're not. I'm not throwing fuck that. But as soon as they throw like, okay? Yeah. I think someone who can fight. But knows how to diffuse the situation. That's that's a winning quality. You know, it's not the popular quality like, yeah, that's winning. I've got a I've got a great fight story. My little buddy Virgil. It was like, right. When I started fighting, and I was doing some sort of appearance where I was doing some sort of like, you know, building up a fight at some small casino in in reading, and my buddy he'd been sober for a year and a half. And he's like the most calm do when he sober. He had a girl with them. And I literally finished up with my duties and whatnot, and I'm walking outside, and I get like six phone calls from I had six phone calls from a missed in some like looking down like what the heck? And he's with this girl. And they're in a parking lot. Like, literally like, I don't know. Maybe forty yards down for me. And so I'm looking like Why's he calling me? And then I look and he's got a shirt off. He's five foot two. He's got a shirt off his swing swinging it and like like like backing up three guys that are like triangle from and has in his girls like trying to like get in between and this and that and so I start jogging. I'm like just like put my phone, and I start jogging, and he gets I get like maybe ten feet from. And he looks over in all the guys are looking at him. And he's and he starts going. Laughing. And all the guys are looking at looking at him like the foxy doing. And I go, hey, and they all three go nice. When it hit the big one. Try to you guys. I and he just went in this is one of my best friends, and and he's five foot two, and he's got three big Mexican guys trying to find him at the moment. So that is a cheap shot issue. But it's only it's like real. And he he had he had a Tallboy forty and his feet stay in his eyes when boop and he slid sh- like that his buddies backed up, and I go what's up? What's up guys? What's? He's behind you. Big verge. I like that guy. Yeah. Verged verges money shut off or. Hi, bro. And I forgot to plug. My my try effect in our p period ization on the on the podcast, bro. This counts. Yeah. Plug could be a good. I mean, what the effect the food will. I we talked about the effect that food. Yeah. What's the what's his an Rb renaissance periods? Ation that. Braver businessman businessman. He's a business, man. I'm really sorry about mispronouncing your name. I'll tell you why. Because I did it the rest of the show. I don't know. What happened? You're looking at my. I think you're looking at my my name. It's all good. Maybe didn't really hear it too low because I actually have I have a J in my last name that silent. And it gets pronounced. I just swing automatic. Bad though, his doesn't make any sense. You. That's funny, y'all. Thank you. Watching listening this episode of impulsive your favorite. Thank you again, brother. My pleasure fineman social at your riot favor. Ladies and gentlemen, we love you it de-subscribe button number one podcast in the world impulsive. Thank you again.

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Episode 134: UFC Gustafsson vs. Smith | Joshua vs Ruiz Jr.

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Episode 134: UFC Gustafsson vs. Smith | Joshua vs Ruiz Jr.

"What is happening y'all few housekeeping notes for you Cleveland this weekend? Thursday Friday, Saturday in Cleveland documents, he assumed after that Burbank with Michael Rapaport and friends that is June eighth after that I'm in Vegas was with Callan one show, one night, only thing Calgary Europe, then brea, Cade dot com for tickets. What's up fam-, if there's one thing that, you know, about me, you know, I love my coffee, and these guys have been my ride or die coffee mates. I'm talking about black rifle coffee. Black rifle coffee is the best coffee on the planet. Not only the best it's owned and operated by vets. That's right. So guess what? When you buy coffee with you by the blue thin line rose. The big Brown rose, the fricken, sniper rose. They got it all men when you when you do buy from black rifle a portion of its sales, go to veteran causes. You're missing out man. You miss out on great coffee, and a great cause black rifle coffee dealers rose to order coffee director. 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Use the reasons coming out late Memorial Day and the Malka squad takes holidays off. That's news to us. Isn't it chin? Yeah. Man, we typically don't and also Chinden get them now says. No. I there's an Email where k we can't do Monday. You know the teams off as cool. It's just plan on Tuesday, I thought chin was included on that Email turns out. He wasn't chink on me. Text me money. Moyer's your man where yeah I'm like home. What's up? He's all time becoming a mall. CF fight on the keys got shit. There's no below the bell, Mike, dad. Oh adult. You fam-. He's all know as like my bad that falls on the weekend. Dude, I could've done stuff that night to watch my friends had barbecues. They're drinking eating because like I have to go home early. I can't do this. I gotta wake up at five in the morning. You would would there's no traffic men, and we don't usually on start this to what eight nine it's always good to get here early though, if you want not today, but there's a Memorial Day, there's no traffic. Yeah. Which is great zero trans awesome. Coming here with no traffic. I won't be nice like that. All the time don't traffic. Yeah. That'd be great. Today's traffic was brutal. Brutal. It's good to be back them. And this is the last show were doing in the studio. This was a temporary studio. The new one will look exactly the same almost identical because they're going to be able to take this artwork off the walls, and I'll see the backdrop and my flashing neon sign this. They're gonna have to repaint the Venice Kenny spot. But I'm sure we can find the artists get that gone. But for the most part, it's going like executive, same meal. I dunno. Nothing was again, changed its new studio new spot, and everything's under there. So king, the sting find the kid blow, the belts, on Jim Brown studios anymore, so and it's right up the street will be insane. Anta monica. So we're looking forward to that. We're looking forward to that. There's no king in the sting this week. Don't kill me. Not my fault. Theo is playing fucking grab ass with kangaroos in Australia. And he gets back, I think this Sunday, so we did backload a few guys in those drop. The shit. He's been gone for about three weeks. Yeah, but they all dropped at the right days saying dry day. So that's the only weeks, so we're getting to give you a little, I don't know what are we doing for that? We're doing like a little sizzle reel of dancing and shit. Just as good. Sorry, guys this week to be a light one. Just give me a light breeze for you for the king, this thing fans. But yeah, so there you go. Fine kid, yet this guy everything else, they'll be back. We'll be back to work in a new studio. Looking forward to that. It's good to be back man is good. You know it's weird doing fine. The kid I before this now. It's kinda strange. Yeah. It was weird. Isn't it weird? Yeah. Did you just use to routine? I guess you she used to routine? And then I don't know it's just different men. Different. I want to give a special shout to all the fans that watched you'd be surprised and made it what it is. I can't think you guys enough for the international fan. If you haven't seen it, you can watch it Showtime dot com, promo code Shaab. You watch the whole thing fo free in watch the dropping a meta world. Peace documentary this month there, they got the Wu Tang. Doc, dropping Duce's. Miro's on there. You can get all that free include my Showtime special, when he goes, Showtime dot com, promo code Shaab. So you can watch it there for international fans. I listen, I see you guys man, I guess upset I had no idea Showtime was in how I didn't know Showtime was international. Did you know idea I had no clue? I didn't even think about it. I just assumed it's still nineteen everything would be international say, there's some ways you can watch it but you guys got to do what you gotta do. You gotta do you gotta do. It is what it is man as long as people see it. That's all I care about. And everyone watch it just leading into the videos leading in. We're over three point something million view. So it's insane man. And yeah, we're just getting started. We just getting started back on the road. All new material, I will be in Cleveland this Thursday. Friday, Saturday, hilarity in Cleveland. Yeah. Hilarious ruin keeps rant and rave in and also Cleveland, I've never been to Cleveland been a Columbus a few times, love Columbus, her Cleveland's pretty dope. And I am balls deep in the Browns. I'm part of the dog pound ever since the hard knocks aired a I a fair a fan I jumped on him now when they were hot now when they had Beckham. But I was on a man, I was really hoping they drafted homeboy Mayfield from Oklahoma. And once they did that, that's my that's my team. I'll say I'm from Denver somewhere. He's gonna fuck with the Broncos but usually the Broncos aren't out here. But in general, I watch all the Browns games, which most of the Browns games and I'm definitely buying. Fuck in Brown's Gan. You'll see me rocket on stage. Do you go Beckham? Do you may feel? You may feel d think hundred percent Mayfield. I'm big Beckham fin. Holy shit to say Joe McCoy would sign less to play for said Joe McCoy signed for the Cleveland Browns, Jesus Christ. That'd be a huge pickup. Yeah, it's just fun to watch man there that team that's just the team to tune into right now. The team that went from shit to just be in the shit right now. It's. They should win the division at that tough. I mean Pittsburgh's always been hanging around, but with Big Ben there and it's kind of toxic and they've lost, you know their two biggest stars. I think the Browns of good shot. I'm not ready to say they're going to be Super Bowl chance. But I would bet and I don't know what the odds are that a shit ton of money. They go to the playoffs, especially if everyone stays healthy, the only thing that would fuck would be injuries. Number eight hundred the Super Bowl with that lineup linking the secondary in their offense and what they've added. You can see, but it's all chemistry man. You know, they got a mix well and you know, it's not especially NFL it's not really about superstars as much as chemistry. But if you Don again, imagine being a lifelong Browns fan and how bad they suck for. So they've always been the laughing stock, I've kind of like the Browns ever since. You know, I was Eric Metcalf days, I loved, Eric, Metcalf, Willie mcginest when he was there those, those were the days men. But yeah. Football season's not even close, but they do have cream hunt, which is gonna be he's out for a little bit. But they got Nick chubs, who's a fucking monster. And then just receiving lineup is filthy. Make Phil Thor's get D line, this got it all. But again, it's chemistry who knows what the fuck is going to happen. But it's fun. It's fun to watch. But by far the most even if you're a hater, let's say you're in Pittsburgh. It's still going to be fun to see what happens with the Cleveland Browns. That's the message here, it, whether you hate him or love him. You're still it's you gotta be curious on what the hell's going to happen with those guys Chen, you've been a Browns fan for so long. It's been a while. Yeah. It's been a grind for those guys fucking grind and they're finally here, man. But yeah. Long story short. I'm been Cleveland this fucking week man Thursday, Friday, Saturday hilarious. I got my boys Derek Assan with me the comedy store, regulars. They will be there man. So we can have a grand old time in Cleveland, though, shows almost sold out. Good fat, K dot com. To see me this weekend in Cleveland after that, June eight at flappers, and I am bringing some Mosser's with me bring in Michael Rappaport. He's going to be jumping on the card. Am I boy Fahim who's? Comics comic man. If you've been to the comedy story might be the best one walk in the, the place might be the funniest dude, who's not in international superstar megastar, that's walked around the comedy store, so he's going to set as well. So it's just Shaaban friends, man. So it's me rap for Fahim Derek, a son I think Derek might be on the road. So it's gonna be probably Assan Rappaport Fahim myself, and that's at flappers Burbank. June eighth then off that men. Vegas with count. Some fun dates coming up, man burbank's and be dope. Cleveland's me fantastic Burbank with the squad, Rappaport Fahim, and Assan. Vegas with Callan mean count. Having done a show in a hot second together and that's me doing thirty minutes. Stand up counting thirty minutes of stand up that is not a life in the kid. What do those really anymore, but we are thinking about doing find the kid three D two oh, we had some shit in the works with that we're. To figure out then after that. I mean Calgary Yuk yuks. That's in the summer time I was in Calgary's fucking freezing. I'm excited for Calgary have been there in a hot second. And then brea him in, I haven't been Br bride was the first show ever did live now sold out crowd, and brand. Now they've redone haven't been back since they've redone it. I think it's seats like five fifty or some shit four hundred huge now but I'm excited about Bray. Everyone rants and raves about braille, I show that was like solo show. Right. I show I ever find kid live was all okay. First time ever got on stage. No open mics. Nothing was in brea from the live crowd. I like sold out crowd. I wish don't have that recorded man. The one time to record it. I know that'd been cool. They've been really cool. Got Sunday's just aren't the same are they man. No game of thrones. These. If you guys heard my. If you haven't checked out tiger belly with Bobby leeann his girl Colli Colella Kaleida dime piece collide show to Bobby Lee. But we're talking about game of thrones on there, and he gave the best alternate ending of all time where, you know, the cripple as he's getting strolled away turns around and his fucking is that of a white Walker that would been so sick. I thought it was the most brilliant idea. I don't know why they didn't think of it. There's some documentary can watch now though behind the scenes for the whole season, it two hours long though, I was going to watch last time. I wow. Wow. Two hours Jonathan it's just that's long, dude. That's a long view shows. I do love the show and I'm definitely gonna watch it has anyone wouldn't here seen it, right. I mean, we, we love the show. We love the show. We've been talking about all fucking season. But how that's good to hear. It's interesting news that yo you could use far as production stuff. Yeah, you're a could be cool to, I'm sure it's some cool stuff. They said during the table read when they were going through season. Eight I don't know if you see it some, the cast members were crying, reading, because they found out what happened to their characters somewhere piss somewhere crying Jon snow's all fuck. Yeah. He's if there's video of him like fucking tearing up man, pull out of work into it. I get it man. But no fucking no game of thrones. Ie's. No frikkie. American idol Sundays, you start the same man. So Mondays though, sure noble, baby, you on that Chenobyl case right now who's trying to get some fucking radiation. No Shinno is on HBO. I fucked up on the phone kill. I thought it was a mini series. I thought I was only three episodes long third one like this out end. It's kind of all right? Whatever it's not I don't know how long is when they mean mini series. They just mean ceres. Ninety eight percent of people like this show it's fucking ratings are through the roof. It's fucking good. Man. It's super good. It's about this nuclear plant that fucking blows up, it true stories Chenobyl, and then there's radiation, like the highest ever on planet earth. And, you know, basically the Russian government lies everyone and people are dying. They're still suffering from it now. I don't think anyone can live there now but it's pretty fucking fascinating. It's crazy. How tied to cover all this up crazy. That's a true story. This is scary to me than any like, in zombies, white walking because it's actually happened. People can super fucked up man. They said the radiation was insane insane men, but it's really cool. It's a it's five parts. Fuck. There's only one left. K one more week for me. Good. TV. The monday. Fantastic. I wish it was a little longer other than that night. Fucking been watched jailbirds. Anyone seeing jailbirds post about it. Oh oh, jailbirds on Netflix, dude, you haven't seen it. No, the prison show. And yet, in, in the, it's so fascinating. Right. Because men and women, you know, it's, it's, it's a jail jailbirds what I call Joe jailbirds. I said, prison, it's jail which for those, you know is actually worse than prison because prison, there's no on known in jail. It's all on known everyone's fucking on high alert, and they're aggressive and it's chaos, but this is men and women. So the men are in floors above them. And the women are another floor off-season mix Mingo, but they're two different floors. And so the it's fascinating, the only way they communicate like the way they basically send DM's they call it talking on the bowl, so they clean out because the sewer system runs down. Right. So they clean out the water and the toilets. And they talk to each other. They call it meeting on the boat bowl, so they talked to each other, but like they have to clean out stuns it shit. They got a clear out. They pass notes and fuck in food through the bowl meeting on the bowl. I don't even make sense. Yeah. And there's like love stories happen on the bold, and they found out one dudes like talking to several chicks on the bold, and there's all this drama then of shit else going on. And then if the girls don't talk to the dudes on the bowl, they get upset. So they flood the lower things would like shit in the in the piss water. It's pretty fascinating, and it's, it's a frustrating show. They're just complete fuck ups, man. I'm complete fuck ups. They're separated, though. Right. The kid they're separate. Okay. So they just talk and like the call it fishing. That's what they caught fishing. They taught fishing. It's fascinating. Man. Talk to twos, in their faces yellow a lot of face status. A lot of face tattoos. Lot of just bad ideas just. Yeah. The main ones name is monster fasting, and then I found out afterwards she she got arrested again because she gets out. I think this the way it ends one of them. Spoiler. She she's jail. Right. So she gets out shake. I'm gonna totally redeem myself, and then they find out like she's back in. This should make so many fucking mistakes when tough life. What's up tough life? When you're in that life. It's hard to get out. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That jail life. Been a jail. You've been jail chin. No fuck. That'd been dope. Yeah. Not good, man. Not good. So yeah, I'm all out of TV basically man. I got the act on Hulu, which is about that, that fucking crazy mom when you watch his show, it's about the mom in mommy, dearest, the true story. The mom, who basically just made her kid think that she was sick and crippled for years, and years and years, gypsy, gypsy rose, and then eventually gypsy Blanchard and then usually what happens is, she figures out that her mom's been lying tour, and she's sick of shit. And then they murder, that's a true story, too boyfriend who murders her? Dope show though I'm only two to episode Dan sunny, some new shit to watch. DM Isam, good shows, really documentaries man wants a next good documentary coming out. It's only so many can do their show. It's hard to make a good on that meta. World peace on not just being a Homer here that meta world peace. When I saw clips of it, amazing the way he grew up in fucking, New York, Brooklyn, basketball, and, you know, just the whole his hit how he suffers from mental illness, in a family runs in the family and the in the fight that he got into epic fight, you know, it mess was that an Indiana Square Garden, a free were happened. No, it's not massacring regarding. But rare again, the fight he was laying down and gone. The fight. But then more wate I forget where I'll get up to check that, that, that documents should be pretty. I think it's coming out as was it, it was in Detroit was it. And it's interesting because Pacers would the Detroit Pistons fan, so you get what is Detroit Yuccas. Ben Wallace was involved in. That's, that's what kicked off the moss fight, but it's interesting to hear his take on it. And now him in the guy who threw the water kept, we punch are like super close their friends now. But his take was he was chilling out lay nothing. Like I don't take part of this. Like I, I've been I, I know I'm known as a, you know, kind of a bad bird. I don't wanna be fucked with an when he's laying down, like, I'm just I'm protesting this, then he gets hit with the water and then it's fucking on. Maybe it was a bear either way though. Pretty crazy, man. It's been weird with no fights, right? It's weird because we're so used to fight. It's fucking strange where there's no, you have see. No, Bela Tor me. No, no boxing. There's nothing going on. But I think for the next three weeks, we had some hitters. We had some hitters she would jump into it, what he got in Surakarta events. Yeah. Let's do it man already. This episode is brought to you by blue blue man. 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I guess you just wants to see how feels maybe it's like you don't want jump in their right to the top. Because he retired, you know, basically at the top top three. So gets out. Outta love to see if I between him and T J dillashaw. But I'll see TJ's out from the two years. So I thought maybe come out every time it just fight TJ because be such a big fight. Bet could still happen. Obviously, you're is doing this. I'm into it. I think that's a tough fight for your IRA tougher easier said than done man. Ricky is no joke that mullet is Noel punk what else you got this year key, Thurman, it says he's calling our Conor McGregor, but he's more answering those TMZ guys. They're like, what do you think Conor McGregor? So he was just saying how Connor McGregor should fight him in boxing? Well, because that's where it makes them more money. It's kind of silly headline. You know, you make more money in boxing ring. Anyway. He said addressing Conor McGregor boxing Connor. He's joking men in Boston advantages. Do you have skills with the left? You have skills with the right footwork. One thing Connor doesn't have his condition. He does he does not have condition. He's not ready for these chimps ship fights Floyd. Wotton down beamed like he's playing fight night Kay. He he wanna talk the trash. He wants to think actually got hands. Come on, man. I wish this was, I wish he'd bring the what else you get this year. Speaking of Carter he messed up his hand saying, whether it's broken up, but it's in a cast his left hand. He's been training a lot, though. Right. Like he's been trained. More thought maybe he's looking at a July comeback. They were talking about July, they're talking about July and then not he just did a podcast. I haven't listened to it yet. I want to with Robbins. Yeah. But then Tony Robbins got flagged for a bunch of sexual assault. So I don't know if they got taken down. Well, I mean it's all over all the stuff that he said like how he didn't really lose to. I haven't seen any of I've heard I just saw it was on there, because it popped up on my on one of my things. So, but what you listen to it, you, I heard other shows talk about what he said on there. So he used saying how because the audience they're not MMA fans. Right. So tony. Rob ya know? So there's believing everything that's that he sends. So he was talking about his foot is the reason why he lost his injured, right? Yeah. He was. He was winning the Floyd. Where the fight in the beginning. But she kind of was he was. But then the alternative that is we'll Floyd was just feeling. You out letting you. So it looked like a fight, but it's pretty black and white, he did win some rounds. Yeah. But he convinced people in the audience from what the they're doing. I think it was a I think it was all fucked. Oh, there's people Nadia. He does it like a lie about it. I've seen that show before to Tony Robbins. I didn't know you had to show it's a talk show kind of, but it could be a. Alive podcast. Maybe is video or is it I saw pictures of it. So I didn't see actual video. Tony roundabout from these wonderful beach house. Oh oh, yeah. Fucking turnarounds. He's like three million dollars just to Texas. That's interesting. Well, yeah. Because with would the hardcore MMA fans Connor Saint certain things? It's not gonna fly right? But with Tony Robbins fans collar could say I could beat him with one hand. I just didn't feel well that night. And they, they just don't know so that I go cool. They don't call them McGregor. I'd be willing to bet to that audience knows Connor doesn't know Khabib so when he talked about be there don't they don't know who he's talking about. There it is. Damn. He doesn't beachfront with that. Fuck in the Steve Jobs microphone on the side of the mouth like that. You're seeing comics do comedy like that. No, that looks that's going to be weird right there. Nightmare. Please. Don't do that. Man, I definitely watch this shit. Yeah. How long is it? I don't know. So it's just him. But does he he says he wants a another fight with Floyd? Mayweather. He wants to fight Floyd. And he wants a rematch with could be. It could be when I see so he but today I land the final blow the night right on his brother's is oh talking about the ball. Oh, okay. Wow. I can't believe they got into all this. So at the end of the day I landed the final blow the night, right on his brother's is socket mcgaughey said, on Robin's podcasts, although the match didn't go, my way, the fight went my way, and trust me when I tell you, Tony, this war is not over. If this fight does not happen again, if it does not get reset. It's on them the running away. I'm here for the fight. I'm here for the rematch. So Tony's entire audience now, which is I'm millions and millions go. Oh Connor wants that fight. It's not having because of them. Yeah. All right. And that guy. Leonard Eyler be. I definitely want to watch it now. Definitely want to watch us interview. Now. Timeout letter. The guy who that's his promoter or manager of he runs Mayweather promotions. He's interested. Obviously, I just the market's not there. I don't think the markets there from Casuals or respect hardcore didn't want it in the first place. But the casualties. It's not really seats on available, right? Oh, because that's because this is another sign only give the side. It is forty six minutes long from definitely watch out when I get home. I got to be honest. It's kind of nice that he didn't go on, like a major MMA outlet. I think I think he's going to be less. I think he's gonna be more comfortable talking to Tony than he is say, a guy who's a journalist like a loop Thomas, like a Ben folks, or Brad Akimoto. Like he's gonna be way. We're comfortable in just a little loosey goosey stone out. Gems talking to Tony Tony's I can push him. Tony's not gonna be like, well when you got this or the you know, he put that guess ever in the final ones. The original brother who was on top of the cage, he's talking about the fighting he broke free from the security, ran one hundred miles towards me. He threw a right hand as he the right hand. I through a left hand. Boom, there's image and aerial image of the right hand just whipping my face fan. Just landing flush down the pipe the final blow the night, so that's it. I win. So what makes Connor Grady's painting a narrative? Right. So. It's, it's tough, and I and if you're Conard, he's doing the right thing painting, the narrative that he wants with the power that he wants because Kabaeva going go on Tony Robbins could be. Doesn't have the same opportunities the same voice in the states as could be as Conor McGregor. So it could be can go to Russian Pete to be compete, the nerve heavy once in Russia, Ben America, the narratives based off what Connor says, unfortunately. But that's what makes Connor special. So with Connor San all this. These people have no idea about the sport. Or like man, can you I can't wait seem Khabib go again? I would much rather fight Khabib than McGregor. I, I don't think you should fight either right away. I should find whether one. Yeah. So I may whether in Khabib should not be the next fight for, for Connor if he's going to fight again, but I'll seize incident coming back. There's, there's definitely the fight I think you should do in the see if he's going to continue to fight, I think it was smart. He went on Tony Robbins, very smart more fans more fans more mainstream, not so knee to sports, come more and more niche as its. Spines. Paywall. He knows what he's doing. Yeah. The narratives being paint like we haven't heard from him at all right? We heard from his manager does not the same just not the same at all about his manager Elliot Belaziz ESPN may posted this tweet last week is just about the top guys in the in the division five division. And then, so this is the immature is a graphic on out because Kabaeva Emporia set for Sironi or set. Yeah. Yeah. So they got Connor and just engage. You. So i'll. Yup. Dulles east took that graphic and tweeted it himself. But then he put a chicken head on Connor and a clown face on Ferguson. When we right on face on Ferguson. They had issues before they used to talk about before, but not real. Now they respect each like Houston media, as being Tony cruel. We see each other. We have respect for each other put a clown face, especially with Tony's going through xactly not rooting for Tony. How could you not root for Tony right now? You know, the guy came from a rough kind of mental health issue and ice fighting Cowboys at along laugh known deserves the title shot. More to make sense. Why do that? Yeah. So this is what he wrote a real champion fighting the number one contender, and a clown, financial cowboy and a quitter fighting someone who will take this soul away. That's just him trying to get gateway. The fight, he's as manager, you guys know gay cheese. I can talk shit really. So well, that's just him trying to do his job. I do not see Kana taking the gates. You fight. Well, Ferguson replied ain't no clowning around you fake fuck. Hilarious. Ain't no clown around you fake. Fuck you better. Leave my name out your mouth for I mop, the mat with your sorry ass. You ain't shit. Without your homeboys just snitch. No pride. No Gus just like your paper chump could be seen person soon. So it gets a little personal bussing senior person, you, you know, they're going to there's going to be an issue in person. And this is a last this out ended. So this is Elise response, you fighting onto the car, June eight you what's up with the lame. What's up with grammar you fighting on the undercard, June eight folks on that shut your mouth talk is cheap. Next time you see me do something about it punk. Boy. And then this is what Ferguson wrote, I can't stoop to your level anymore. You're an embarrassment to the sport to all my fans to focus for you and anyone else, yet, I'm fighting on the undercard for UC to thirty eight. But I don't mind it's champ shit. Only Ellie something, you never know about praying for you, and then all ends with a Leib says. I'm gonna prompt gonna pray for you too. Good night champ. Hand on fits. They got eight retweets. That's what's bummer. That whole exchange was a bummer. What the exchange even came up the that ALI'S doing that to Tony was very weird. I mean it makes fun for, you know, we're just living a soap opera. Now with M A and boxing. So it makes it fun. Give people like me something to talk about or that let something to talk about for Tony. And this goes for anyone, I think. It is it also got brought to my attention for Kevin Durant. Who's going back and forth or even John Jones. Or Durant, who who went back and forth. He went back and forth with an analyst. Right. That's whatever that guys in the businesses, a little similar same thing here. But Durant, even went to guy who had I don't know, two hundred followers who has, like an Agatha avatar. The, the usually the, the rule of thumb is, is you never punched down. So if Kevin Durant got criticized by LeBron you go at LeBron you go Harnett LeBron you guys can engage because you're on the same playing field. If you can't engage the trolls, you can't engage, you know, those who can't critique. So you do not want engage with them. That doesn't make sense men. They, they get fuel and energy of that. I guess what, Tony here gives us something to talk about. But same time Tony does have a huge fight come up. I really think it, but also could be a lot of all these guys aren't gonna talk shit. So this is why Ali being the manager. He he kind of does it form. You know, people are talked to get you talking about it. True. The what I don't like is, let's say, Tony could be Tony Ali saw each other if they in a physical altercation that's, that's where it crosses the line. It seems like that could happen as percent. Yeah. Hundred percent. It. Good chance it happens. And you hit the nail on the head when, like Tony is going through all this stuff. I'm just surprised that he would want to do something like that to him. Now it's yeah. Yeah. It's just like you know as, as a community and your you're in this. Kind of that, that realm you're in that universe Ali like when one guys down, it's more than fighting when a guy suffering from mental illness and personal issues. You really don't go after that this kind of like baseball. Those are the unspoken rules, man. The specially if you're not fighting him. And you're a manager. Yeah, anyhow, this found interesting this AG Mckee and Kimball slices. Son baby slice. This is them training. Getting ready punch each other in the stomach. But if you look at this and live from the nineteen seventies listen to this. Trying to do internal bleeding. Is that the goal here? That doesn't make you tougher. That's this is the most meat had thing I've seen in quite some time. Well baby slice fell down after doing the last punch, you probably has internal bleeding. There. Oh, that, that does not you're not strengthening your Oregon state body shots when you punch each other and stomach. There's core excising due to strengthen your core. That's not really the way to go. So she that fucking hard. What else you got? Yeah. Super hard, a little update on stage north. There's no news yet that if he's back hasn't even heard that he, he's back from Singapore, yet it's gonna be tough for him to fly that surgery in the how swollen his is. But there's still piece I'm surprised it was that good of a recovery. And then he just tweeted today. This picture. Still trying to get that fucking sponsor. Give me like in our, I wrote you look considering what he went through. He looks really good. And lean body stuff that looks like it's an American store. Doesn't it? Curing does. Maybe he's back. I don't. Yeah. I can't imagine lean body. Well, let's that down and all that stuff. High looks pretty shady on the far right? That looks like it'd be in Asia. Got to be honest. Okay. But this is ready to drink in English that he's definitely somewhere, right. He's at like a supplement store. Yeah. Yeah. There's metrics at the bottom automo- Douchen has is that the only pictures posted. Yeah, he posted different picture from moral day, but it wasn't it's an old picture. What was the one hit him? Mr. Steal your girl in the fuck in robe there. This one. Yeah. This is update. What did he say do? I look. The nine thousand Roman right? What else you get Francis in Ghana versus judo Santos. He was moved up from the UC to thirty nine card that huge stat card which on Jones why I wonder why they moved 'cause rob Robbie. Lawler, entire Woodley member, turn will these all that's right. Yes. These guys are the new the new main event for UCLA Minneapolis. And so you'll see fight night. Yeah. PIN finite. Fuck y'all take it and there's a Carter here. This is the fight night. Yeah. For mega bene- Vida show to join Ben Evita's Daime, my recur, go Martin Dover. So do Pettus romo's. That's a phone air. Ganders Meraz fund one. Well, it's a good thing. They moved to the that Carter had been tough without that made event. Thing is, though, fighting for Megan benefit flyway. Yeah. Yeah. I know keeping that division alive. Huh. They keep cutting people. Right. What else you got Francis were JD s a great fight? How what's the odds on that? Do we know we can find it? Can you go there quick? And then the meantime, USC. Has has a new partnership with the CD company called Aurora cannabis, multimillion dollar deal year. Deal. It's going to be doing it inside the PI. So they're going to be researching to. Yeah. Researching CBD for brain, health and inflammation, all that stuff. They can help their athletes with. I love it. Man. You guys know how big of an advocate, I am for CBD for the longest the US into. They signed this deal was using my CBD pure spectrum. Oh, yep. So listen. What's good for CBD is good for the whole business of CBD, the more legit CD products out there and the more strict testing the better it is for the entire ecosystem, CBD oil. So more, the merrier man more the merrier Aurora cannabis to help lead to re- research. That's cool man. Yeah. Definitely cool. Yes, he sees a fucking miracle juice, man. This picture is quite shocking. Right. So there's Chris cyborg. That's thank you. And he looks good. Crazy. Like I mean it doesn't look buff anymore, but he does look rate here. Cut looks like he's lost some weight. He's been through some crap. Oh, yeah. Yes. And crap secrecy here. You know, he was a heavy heavy drinker. So he's liver. Finally, my body finally caught up with all the my wildlife blue gasket on my liver. You never wanna blow gaskets in your body, but yeah, nice transplant. Everything's wound right long? It was not without complications. Oh, I died, five times operating table had over six strokes, but I'm still here. This is the hardest fight I've ever had. I've spent one hundred seven days in intensive care unit while six strokes, man. Jesus christ. He looks fuck in healthy dude. He has really good hair. Is he like houses haven't seen a navy? But the last time I heard him he started pretty decent good for him. Numbers we hit the odds for JD Francis. Minus for Francis. Junior juniors on a dog might plus when seventy I would've she got Paul Himmel analogy. This new one is him attacking the m may community and saying that he wants to put automobile in an an a coma. So effing coma, an effing coma, the main thing if you break it down talking about 'em may fan saying, how MA superior to boxing because it's tougher. It's more dangerous and stuff like that. And now his arguments, obviously, there's more deaths in boxing. It's more dangerous because you're in the people's head more often. But then m may guys are like you're wearing these big padded gloves. Right. So he's talking smack on them. So this is this is Emma may fancy of never fight defending the sport of a may against a world class boxer. Basaltic volcanoes a ton about MMA but he does have his fuck in doctorate in boxing. So he put when you when you're piece of shit community in them and making me it's not piece of shit is just toxic. It's just very dark like negativity is, is, is what MMA they just thrive off of it. I don't there's no other sport like it. It's true. They just love negative shit. I don't know. That's what it is man, put when your piece of shit comedian, your piece of shit people talk about we fight with pads, and how your sport you're in a dangerous sport like ima, may when nothing of the sort happens to, which you is why you have a circus fan base, because it's like wrestling, then the day, no matter what happens to you guys tapping assures, you're gonna see the neck, the that guy next week tapping shoes. You're gonna see that game a few months and boxing, you don't have those assurances. So there's a respect level even to, to the trash talk that we have. Being surpassed. Now, it's been overcome with this garbage that we have from this other community MMA for me. I think the way you solve it seeing one of their own in a coma, one of their own fucking coffin. Then you say you know what? This should is no joke. But there's some truth about poly saying there is no. There's no other culture like many cultures far as negatively and I, I don't know why that is. I don't know if just a generational thing visit because it was started. Online. I I don't know one guy loses a fight. He's the worst fighter in the world. For one guy gets hit with right? Hand is awful at striking. It's just very bipolar. Very toxic. Boxing MMA is not more hardcore than boxing. Boxing, also sport where you have to do with heavyweight. There's a little exception, there's a little wiggle room, but you have to have years and years and years and years, and years of experience and hardships, to get to a level where you're going to even start to make money in MMA, because his a newer, sport, you could be professional in a day. You know it's it's, it's just a different playing field. So. Put on for anyone who's never fought put on an eight ounce boxing glove. And tell me how much padding you have. It's, it's there's nothing there just to protect the fives from Bassi breaking their fucking hands. There's not much there. Put watch the love that fucking Deontay wilder puts on and that Joshua put on anybody. Oh shit. These are not padding. This is not. It's not what you think it is. Those are clubs and they're secured with a hand wrap. That's basically could punch through cement to break people's faces in Joel's. It is not a thing of really of glory, or to soften, the blows, it ma-, it matter of fact makes it worse. But I've also never understood MMA verse boxing debate. I don't you can like both. I don't understand. I mean Polly's making it an made response. And I get it 'cause against so much ship from the enemy community, because of what happened with Connor. That's why this is happening. The debate doesn't make sense. You know what I'm saying? You don't you don't have to like one or the other. It's no different. Do you like football? Yeah. Do you like baseball? Yeah. Cool man, which one's tougher. I don't know. But if you're watching a high level, they're all really fucking good, man. They're all really, really good. But again with the enemy committee, it's it's coming from people have. Never competed in their lives. The keyboard, warriors arguing with a guy who's a world champion boxer doesn't make sense. He made a point that I thought was a good point too. So if in MMA there's ways out, and in boxing, the only way out is to either get knocked up or you have to literally quit. And you can't live that down. If you don't get off your stool. Yeah. So in boxing, so. You're going to take a much bigger hit in your career if you look for an easy way out. So let's say with a body shot and you stay down, if the crowd can tell you just kinda bitched out of, in stay down your Chris pretty fucked, and never may, if I want way out and we've seen it happen with multiple guys in very famous fighters. They get caught in a rear naked choke to they just don't feel like being in they tap where I we'll see him next week. It's, it's very, very different when it comes to that. You're not going to see a guy in boxing, fight the way Cowboys in three weeks, you know, or have a fight three weeks ago, and then turn around and fight right away in a big fight. Just doesn't work that way, in boxing, nor can you, you know with with the strip the head trauma. Polly has a point there, there's easier, there's easier Altoona may. But there's also way, more way more ways to lose an MA than there are boxing. All right again. No one wins in this debate, it, I don't know why it's a box boxing for some MA thing. No one wins in the beginning. Ravers vanilla ice cream. They're both great you why choose people. Take it so personal. You don't own me. You don't own boxing. Why would you are you for this? Already. So here it says could be teammates receive reduced suspensions for UC to forty two the two guys that were in that you'll see two Twenty-nine brawl inside the cage. So they were supposed to get a year there. They were actually giving a year suspension, and then the director Bob Bennett of AC suddenly gave him thirty five days off of that year. See the power of Khabib I'm never gonna fighting about again. Good luck with that. I got fuck these commissions are such a joke land. So what have been till October? So now it's they're literally able to fight in the same car that could be supposed to fight on September six, isn't it? Great five days before forties, the Commissioner such a joke. That I could do shit. What else you hear Margaret Monday was saying that you've see UC's parent company, which is w EMMY they're filing papers to go public. Being stages, that's gonna be interesting because then you get exact pays you'll other once you go public, then nothing is private anymore. Yeah. And we some problems when they do that they know this man. Where you say I was laughing at they, they know this. But so if people go go public, it's also kind of a sign that it's like an exit strategy o w me, this is this is flip. They're flipping houses. This is not a long-term investment for from they want get their money back and get the fuck out, especially now. What else you got? This is from John Nash. He writes for bloody elbow. Some to eighteen design business numbers only one percent penetration. American market is PS five times better. Plus, you spend plus yet will that okay? That's weird comparison fourteen point three million North American revenue, same revenue, as fight pass me to and fifteen the time. I'll disown. Yeah. So does on is growing and it's doing well, doing well internationally but as far as the US that's their biggest problem. Yeah, we said this forever now. But if you go over this kind of silly because if you go take the UFC and compared to one championship, or does own, in England in China in Japan, the numbers are going to be way, more lopsided. So does owns like all right? Yeah, we're trying to get into fucking America. Man, I think they're doing awful job. I think the marketings terrible and they figure things out. I think the productions is their biggest problem. Quality that they're producing, but they have all the fighters. They have a they have what you need to be successful. And that's the fighters. There's have a bad product. That's all that especially Americans are used to such a high level product. You gotta work on that. Man. That's what fuck your money fuck all your fighters. You got that the, the quality just terrible. So scroll down. In the US one point one point. Oh, and it's too competitive now because like I can watch dope shit on YouTube for free. You want me to pay for your service? Yeah. We have the best fighters. I know. But it's awful to watch men. So they got to figure out that special in America you compete with too much ship and too much issue. But there are new, I'm I would imagine they figure out because they do have the talent. In the fighters being news is the biggest reason. Yes. All right. Here are boy, you lies Theodora dime piece from the they say, why didn't he win four of less five or some shit? He want us three five winning streak. And then he lost it there. One of those last four. I mean shit, man. Legit reckon, the healing us three. So he has what he is one two, three four five six seven eight. He's eight and three in the AFC and they cut him 'cause this fighting style. Assume has to be not the most exciting kid. But also there's not a ton of Canadian stars. He looks apart speaks well fuck and tough to beat. But you look at his fights. All decisions. Yeah. He's not the most exciting fighter that's, that's what they're based off of. It's a shame. Yeah. And there's also a rumor that Justin Willis was cut, but he saying that he wasn't cut. But that'd be another guy who's want a bunch of row and just lost one fight the heavyweight. Yeah. Is it? They need heavyweight. Walt Harris is saying because he didn't take a fight on July twentieth with him because you can lose weight in two months. So there UC got pissed off and cut them cut while there's no just a Willis, just that's a while she was supposed to fight, wall tares. So is he cut or not? He's, he's saying is not. But then the sources. Yeah. They're saying that he was a source told a reporter that was cut by me discount. But he then from Willis said it was a technical difficulty in. He's not caught. Hopefully he's not cut and I like him. Has released anything official, but Dan shut the the rank not the rankings. Daschle roster on the site, you still on the site. Well, there's show behind on that fucking Matt Hughes listed on there, like next fight with a blank guy. They don't update pictures for God's sakes. They're not gonna update just someone else on there. That doesn't mean too much. We something official, hopefully he's not cut sucks about our boy. Theodore though. Yeah, he'll be fine. I think it'd be fine piece. Has that girlfriend Bella toward pride? Pick him up or PF L to probably one championship the tried knocking his eye off. For a long time. And that was kind of I think there's some talk about that. I bet belt or definitely sign him. He's was fire. Looks good speaks well, Canadian. He's the starting to make prompt for probably make more money. Get more promotion if he goes elsewhere, right now not a terrible thing turn chicken shit in a chicken suit. My man what else you got, Josh Copeland finally pled guilty. He looks perfectly normal picture. I know it's a crazy pitcher. So if you remember that story he's supposedly his wife in the face multiple times and she'll still bleeding when the police got there. But anyways, he accepted a plea deal. So sometimes, even though you're not I'm not saying that he's not or whatever. But sometimes you're, you're not guilty. You don't wanna go fight for different charges, and being possibly being jailed for shut a time you'll take a plea deal anyways violence. You don't take your plea deal and admit guilt. Yes. PF L. They have zero taunts domestic violence things. So they automatically after this came out the automatically released him. You have see said hold my beer. You wanna fight Greg hardy? So what you wanna do. I'm sure you've see us item. She's, they don't give a fun. Can't be hitting girls at I don't I don't know what to say about it meant are, and just remers. So goddamn religious. Toys alarm. What else yet? Speaking of Greg hardy, this is the guy is going to be fighting him. Now, one Adams, this guy's been asking a fighter right? Just been taunting him on Twitter. What's he say on here? He's funny. He he was saying how he doesn't he doesn't wanna fight Greg Cardi for the notoriety is I put the fucking on the prelims. I don't give a shit. That's the only only thing I know about this guy. What's going on with this guy? Well, he's five and one he only lost his last fight in the he is nutty skimpy losses last fight. Yeah. But he still be decision unanimous. So a be Dila Roach. And that he was on dinner is contender series. He's new to though in the kind of new, but he's I mean he want. I you have see fight, which is good. Crystal russia. Well, I'll be rooting for them. What's he been saying? I don't have as tweets but I remember him saying a bunch of stuff I wanted to. Yes. And the issues like okay cool. It's a pretty good fight for Greg, too, though, because not like the guy's super experienced. It's kind of pretty even out, assume, Greg, as the more power here, more athletic probably. But I'm rooting for this fucking guy. What's his name? A wa atoms shut up to one atoms. Good like buddy. Right. This I thought was interesting is canal driving. A Lamborghini over two hundred miles per hour. Have you seen this clip? I have not. But he's in. He's in Monica, Monica. Okay. I thought you were sitting at least like San Diego Macapa. Tha that idea. He did have like a description everything before here's a ton of dollars. Here's a ton, of course. Yeah. But he's leaving the same car guy. Ridiculous. Jesus Christ scary, right? Yes. Is this battles? I can't boom boom boom boom, I do like three seconds. And I'm done. All right. Patty Houlihan your dude, but I love Patti, he got elected mayor. How bad I was trying to convince me start a podcast. He does have some sort of podcast. Right. Does he? Yeah. But yes, he was the coolest frigging Dudayev, whatever shot out the fucking Patty, who LAN God. He's a good dude. One of the best people, I've met on this earth. So he got elected, right? Yes. Seek counsel in south Dublin. Various wife was there and his kids in general, in gem of a person amazing stories to God, great storyteller bar. I remember the story to you because we after the shows we went to that bar across the street that's supposed to be well known famous like the oldest bar in Dublin or some shit had wars there and shit. Yup. It was so cool. What were you say that? So when he was Patty was around us, the bar owner closed the windows and everything else. And then they're saying like this is such a crazy, this rarely happens. It's only if he really likes you. Oh. Just as a frigging dimmer, we're all in then they shut. They, they gave us Guinness and crisp can issue, chris- Christmas potato chips. You know, God, it was fun. Lots of we gotta go back out there. Man. I won't do UK tour Dublin tour two thousand twenty that's my plan February March two nd twenty. All right. In Patty man, God love south to Kimmy me up Patty what else you got. How many more of these you want? I don't know minimum grand old time. Jessica on draw just talking to your Hawaii, and she says for her next fight. She wouldn't mind giving Rosena genus a rematch in Denver. I would like that if that's what rose wants to do. You know, I'd love that she went to Brazil worse odds ever nightmare traveling. You're the champ, all the odds against you tough match-up. Let's put the let's put the ball back in roses corner for God's sakes. I like that. What else? And also, she didn't wanna fight. Johanna. Yeah. She doesn't want to treat your now. When's a couple more fights? Yeah. I'm with it. This one. So one championship overturned decision of Georgia. Giorgio Petrosian, who is of kickboxer that they liked very very much. Right. And people are saying that this is a bad like a if you start doing this. You're messing with a lot of stuff even like betting on yet. Strange attorney. Yeah. It's very strange to do this. It's kind of like it's kind of like if you let the fans dictate things like you know, so the rewriting song the hedgehog because there's such an outcry over the way, sonic looked, so they went oh, shit, cool man. My bat and other rewriting in redesigning sonic. So same reason with like game of thrones. Right. Everyone's like episode. You know whatever season. Eight rewrite it, and a million people signed that petition. Well, HBO goes shut the fuck up. We do what we do. You guys just watch as reason why we were in this position just shut your mouth. Enjoy the show. So with fighting going, oh, everyone's upset about this. Okay. We don't agree. We're going to change it. We have commissioned for a reason even though Lama crooked. So you can't let people dictate any of that stuff. Also on what the game of thrones thing on this. So a million people signed that petition. There's nine hundred ninety ninety nine million people did not sign that petition. The losers always allowed us never forget that. The people are unhappy, or they're not doing shit in their lives are always always allowed us. Don't get twisted game of thrones is the most successful show of all time. A million people signed petition does it mean shit for them? I mean, a million people had nothing better to do with their lives. That's the way it should like that. What else she got gin this here since we're talking about your favor. He said that it went TJ Dilshad does come back. He's going to return as, as a beast, but it's because he saying that he's gonna go back into the lab pretty much find out how to do stuff again. Well, it's a she was just. That's what he should say. Right. Because then hyping up the fight he's going to be a beast. So put the scientists cap back on forget, how I can have an advantage, just the way he plays its place. It's one thing if it's if people just cheat it's another thing if they cheat, and they're intelligent about it, and they work really hard and they have natural gifts, and that's near here going to be a cheat. You might as well cheat like that. Now do I think we clean? Well, there will be after-effects from what if he's been doing all these years, probably he'll have made some gains on that. There's no doubt that he'll be tough guy and people forget about it like all other guys who've been cut cheating. Yet. Teachers, give me a problem with or without EPO EPO ain't beating your favor skills. Going to be your favorite EPL ain't beating fucking Cody. Garbrandt EPO's, not beating fucking Marlin mariah's seeing take a lot more than that to beat those guys EPO's, not beating Henry, pseudo. You'd better fuck in have all the skill to back it up, which TJ does, I would not. I would not want to be the guy that welcomes TJ back to lock young. He's gonna be a fucking handful. What else you got? Oh, speaking of, if you think Ben aspirin tweeted that he was tested for EPL recently, to, like they're starting to do EPCOT, Staley do certain guys, though. Right. It's like it's so expensive. The school be interested who gets caught. Interesting. Indeed. This is not really new news. He's gotta said this before, but he said this again, that John Jones, illegal groin strike is what made him like since the first round, he couldn't be himself anymore. He couldn't get up the way he wants to. Hey, man. That's what he said. I to entertain this keep going. Oh, well, that's pretty much on that one. Gessen's fighting this weekend. Yeah. Here's a good one. What do you got Tarn Woodley? He says he has chronic arthritis in his hand now. So he might have to get an exemption. It's Huey to take fat quarters on stuff for his head. They're not steroids just not cortisone, which is a steroid. But for the inflammation. I'm sure they gotta give it to them. Right. If it's Krahn fuck in haters, though, like, Nope. Gotta deal with it. Dude. What else get? All right. This is I don't know. This just came out. Right. So this is, according to a news outlet in Brazil that cowboy Lavera is accused of assaulting his ex wife and he's kind of on the run. Now not necessarily one hundred percent. This is just from what the, the outlet said on the runs never good. Well he is not turning himself in. Oh. But he got drunk took his kid and wanted to put him on a motorcycle while he was drunk and I guess he was able to ride for a little while. Won't tell you, it more facts. I don't want to crucify the gay. That it that is it. Let's go to the fight. We wanna end unto Mesic violent that really give me one more. So we don't end on women getting beat the hell versus course. Boy, course into Hagen got himself Parana Brazilian piranha. You see to forty one man or Corby, Tim. It is off to the fucking races. Again, my, my term for gatekeepers different. Everybody's to me off. Feel a science geek, you beat him. There's only one way to go next. And that's a title shot. He's always number two. He's kind of he's kind of the guy who dictates whether you're gonna bail to compete against the champion, corvette number eight you beat number two, title shot. That's the way this goes, there's no other scenario. There you beat hoffy. Science, al. You're the best of the best to me. That's the gatekeeper he's probably not going to beat the champ. He could in any given night but he's always kinda been off a little bit. There's something going on. But he's always he floats around two to three two three baths four. He's always that fucking guy. Man. Tough to get by shoutout to Corey Santa Hagan danjus brought this up. Can you read it out? Forward to that. Shallots Josh Emmett. Okay, whoa, Iggy. Azalea. What's that popped out? That's for later, man. So if you wanna talk about that, apparently, she did a G Q model shoot. And then there's pictures of topless that the photographer took like she wanted him to take. I think it was sort of, like, okay, I don't know all of it, but I guess it's, it's stuff. That was not supposed to be seen regardless. So maybe it was like during the shoot. Sure, maybe she wanted to then she decided not to okay. So is she one of those pictures destroyed after that? But like after all this time homeboy in destroying, they got stolen he says he got stolen definitely gets, because it's going on. That's all I know. She's suing Shakya are the pictures out, and I didn't see him. I don't like looking at pictures. And when it's like I know you have. Do you have? I hear you dude. It's fun though. She's so hot. Okay. So we got a fight this weekend in feed and. Yeah. Alexander guests in his last time he fought against rumble. Remember that heartbreaking fucking fight. Well, yeah, it was in front of his family, and that broke my heart. Yeah. Stockholm. He fought glow ver- Sweden. So he's fought there since but the big one was for the fuck in is for it to get the title shot. He fought can Anthony Johnson man. Get knocked out I thought it was a head, but. You guys are debating that, but then he still get the title shot go back to record. And then beats d then fights DC loses in a split decision. To be the world champion his, his, his career is a little bit of a heartbreak. He's just a hair off the DC fight could win either way for MD world champion doesn't go his way. Then he comes back beats yon, right? And then fucking destroys global Tech's era. Not destroys knocked them out. You in the fifth round has no punk via the night then he gets to fight for the championship again. And that's his. One two. So then he fights for third time. You really don't get three title fight opportunity, so he fight for third time, fights John, for the second time, so it's three tomato fights have been John Jones, the first one you'll see one sixty five but there's another kid who stole the show that night, and then fights, John fi the night, some people thought he won that fight. I can see how they give it to John, but it's Bassi fight of the year for the world championship. He loses comes back fights DC for the world championship, and that's into fifteen loses by split decision by a hair to DC. He's one of the greatest of all time, argument greatest of all time as well. Then finally comes back after that gets to wins over high level, guys and fights, John Jones for third title, shot and loses groin strike. It's his and he is. So fucking talented Alexander so so good. It's unbelievable. How good he is up fighting. His fight against our boy, Smith, all depends on. Where is Alexandra at? In the mental space, does Alexander wanna be world champion does. He want to be in there does does he think he can beat John Jones in DC. Does he really think he's the absolute best light heavyweight in the world? Great grand. He can definitely be Anthony Smith if there's any notion in his mind that he doesn't want to be in their Anthony Smith will knock him out man at the Smith is a fucking dog. I think it went over a ton of people when he fought, John Jones and went to decision, he could easily copped out when he got fucking hit in the nuts, or the I what was in an I nut shot remember that he could have easily backed out of that fight a legal new year round. He could anybody would like fuck this. I'm out man. Did it went on loss via decision? But I think people aren't. Oh shit. Anthony Smith is the real deal. Lou Brock Holt, says different that's fine. That's his opinion. He's an animal I can't wait to see him outlet heavyweight, but I think people underestimate Anthony Smith man. And if if overlooks at overlooked Smith or thinks this is an easy one is hometown. He's in getting knocked out again this hometown. Gender show fucking Goodman. He so good. That's a good main event. I'm I'm I should say, I'm more curious about this main of it than anything before Alexander Gessler. And let's say beats Anthony Smith then what then what Alexander a fourth title shot. That's unheard of a fourth time at who who you gonna fight John Jones for third time. I don't see the USC doing that. I wish Gus from go to heavyweight, man. I really do. I wish you gotta heavyweight. I don't know what's for him at light heavyweight. So he beats empty Smith. But then. All right. There's I doubt they give you John Jones. Again, even though there's really no one for John Jones, a fight, whatever I don't know what they're gonna do. I'm intrigued by this light. Then in no time Volk on Ozdemir back at it. Not an easy fight for the hometown. Boy. Latifi. Jimmy manohla. There's some fun fights on this man. Does it not going to blow your hair back and it's fuck in Swedish as fuck card? But that main event intrigues me. What I'm assuming guests wins a heavy favourite. Minus three five. Let's guys don't me man. I like to bet on the dogs. Wow. The man was a dog owners barely a favorite, that makes sense. It's not a bad idea. Put someone in Anthony Smith, just because the, the x factor, we don't know where guests been if he wants to be in their feet doesn't. It's tough night for that Ed this weekend are we got? We got Joshua fighting as well. Right. And she Anthony Joshua was supposed to fight big baby Miller, but he failed every drug test. You can he literally was taking everything never drug. Here's on it. So that's not happening. Suppose fight Ortiz and our tease dumb ass management asked for too much. So we didn't get Lou Luis Ortiz Anthony Joshua, which have been amazing fuck and fight. Thank you, boxing for that. So we get Ruis junior. He just fought. If you watch the Mikey Garcia fight outside he fought in that and he won. He won. He won in the fifth round, right? Yeah. It was very hot. Kinda sweaty his biggest fight was would probably be when he fought for the vacant w title against ROY Joseph Parker shouted Joseph Parker. I miss you, man. I know you listen to the show. I love you. Hopefully, he's doing well out there in New Zealand. If you don't have Joseph park is he lost a Anthony Joshua in England? But Joe Joseph Parker was on. Was it the first below the belt I've ever done? One of the new ones one the first seasons one the early ones. Yeah. We did the thing with the fish we went to Vegas. Just a great guy, so squatter, great people men, hopefully he's doing all right. Out in New Zealand? Regardless, Anthony junior lost Joseph Parker and a decision for the vacant WBO tidal. And now he's, you know, he's fighting fucking Anthony Joshua in Joshua's debut in America, and it's for all the belts damn near the WBA IBF, all of them. So I would assume Joshua's at minus three thousand favorite, I seen it as much as minus four thousand. So I'm sure you have does it matter though assign knock on res at short notice. He's all the odds are miss Joshua's debut in America Joshua's coming over here, kind of flex on wilder and see where he's at. Plus remember this is on dissolve on correcton does own really wants to put a Mark in the in the marketplace in the United States, you can do that with anti Josh really such a big name. Not a big name out here. I think very surprised by these numbers. And that that's just the way it is. I think if wilder went over there and fought, you know, a guy of Ruis caliber, when it blow their hair back. It's not a knock on Josh was just where the market that in America for Anthony Joshua, especially against Ruiz junior. I think it's the first step and a huge step in to getting Anthony Joshua inverse wilder their tests in the marketplace. I think you get Joshua verse wilder in Vegas or Barclay center in Brooklyn after this. I do think that's an ex I think wow diverse Joshua is so much closer than while fury because of promoters and shitty contracts. But I, I do think Josh averse, Watters a lot closer than we think I think he gets Ruis out there and under four, I don't think it's going to be a highlight knockout. Like we saw with wilder verse Brazil, that's just not Joshua's style. Really? But. Hopefully the boxing gods. And this is an Aachen Ruis. I just wanna see Josh rivers wilder, Anthony, Joshua fury. Hopefully, the boxing, God's don't fuck us and have released knock him out in a fluke knockout because that'd ruin everything ruin everything not that I dislike res or rooting gets them. I just wanna see wild never Joshua. And I think it's close to happening in America. 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Go to peer spectrum CBD dot com promo code shop for ten percent of the best CBD oil money, Kim by pure, spectrum CBD dot com promo code job. What do you got? All right. First ones from Kenji do can we just think knowledge? My fuck fucking outfit today. How some arch outfit. This is a macho man shirt by boys at the, the Roosevelt. The Roosevelt set me this they have other. I think they have stone cold have some other dudes. This is so goddamn summer this macho man. Randy savage, my favorite growing up very pink. It's so summer dude, I had to acknowledge that. Did he was dead? So. Shouldn't laugh. All right. First one is from Kenji dot Diaw, who's your favorite anime prospect at the moment? So it could be anywhere. You'll see Baltimore whose homeboy we saw doing all the jumping shit last week. Let me show you Mitch Michelle. There you go. He's fun to watch Superfund. All right. Nick Christie one does Gus us in retire. If you loses. Yes hundred percent hundred percent. Deed done. D Donaghy one. Does anybody beat could be ever or does he retire undefeated? Doc. It's tough to seek. Habib losing men with his style. He's such a nightmare. He's a fucking nightmare. I see him losing if he goes up to seventy. I don't see him doing that. Maybe stays fifty five. I'm fucking rooting for dozen Pori. Tough fight men every everybody in the lightweight division will be an honored to be. Big underdog. I the only close one with, with a style could really fuck with them. Tony Ferguson, but see how Tony looks against cowboy. And after dealing with his outside issues he'd be the only one who'd be closer to narrow, the gap of an underdog though Kennedy's absolute night. What else Mr. underscore, nasty does not does? We'll Gary tone and end up being a better at BJ finisher in may than Maya Damien Maya. He would have to for a lot longer and have to high level like Daime my does a very high level guys tonens Jamshid right now. So he definitely has the potential, especially with the stout of fucking twist off legs, and ankles and arms. And whatever the fuck you wants to do. And he's exciting to watch. Here's the potential for sure. But you just have you have to come over the UFC and do it. Don't give a fuck if you don't want champ shape. I gotta be honest. You know key. Yeah. Tim, asks whipped in the states. Gilbert, Melendez went oh no cooling where the tights cool. I'm gonna punch in the face. What else you got? All right. This is the last one coach colleague if poor guy wins this in September. Do you think they'll give him Connor next or will? They do the winner of Tony cowboy or does that depend on who wins. It depends on who wins and how they win. Also depends on what Connor student because Connor dust and makes the most sense for Connor a rematch would make it a lot more sense in the it's definitely more favorable for tonner. Converse. Khabib is not favorable for Connor any facet. Converse, does import as favorable Connor versed D as would be favorable at fifty five Connor verse. Gay Chee is more favorable. Connor versed. Dasa rone's more favorable so it just dispense how they win. And what's best for Connor? If he's gonna come back. Do you can do whatever he wants? That's how big of a drawl is. That it that's it great grand man. We did a guys sorry today. Late holidays on my right this weekend. Thursday Friday Saturday. I mean Cleveland can get you some dogpound hilarity Cleveland after I'm in Burbank. California June eighth just announced for him. And my boy, Michael Rapaport will be with me at that show in flappers Burbank, California. That's one night, once you only June eight. That will sell out a sap, then I'm with Callan in Las Vegas, June. Fifteenth Calgary after that. Yuk yuks. Come get some Cowdery June twentieth through twenty second. And then I'm in brea, I'm excited to see a brea that is June twenty seventh through the twenty nights. I will have some peeps with me in brea as well. That would be a grand old show, but Cleveland, you're up Thursday Friday Saturday. We'll see guys again. I can't thank you guys enough from the bottom of my heart. When I signed do a special, especially being only three years in it's fucking insane. And the love and the appreciation I've gotten from the fans. I cannot think you guys enough. Just happy, man. I'm happy. And I love you guys. And this is just the start for me only up from here. Thank you for making a special what it is making the success. I've done some great notes from Showtime. Everyone involved, the whole team. So thank you guys, if you haven't seen it go. Showtime dot com, promo code Shaab watch the entire hour there, you watch you get thirty days free of Showtime, whatever you want much my special thing at twenty nine more days. Do what everyone Showtime enjoy it. Showtime dot com, promo code Shaab. Thank you guys. See you next time I'm out.

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Episode 116: RECAP Cejudo vs Dillashaw & Pacquiao vs Broner

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Episode 116: RECAP Cejudo vs Dillashaw & Pacquiao vs Broner

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It is Monday morning. Martin Luther King day. That's why gin just realize all day Martin Luther King day atheist. There's no top racist. And that's all we're kicking off Monday Chingos what the fuck will yet the holiday. No one's on the roads, bro. I didn't know. Would you think it was Armegeddon? I looked at my calendars nothing. I didn't know that's because you have a racist phone. It's Martin Luther King day. I've Ed don't say sorry to me. I'm happy though. There's no traffic at all zero. Yeah. There's no traffic. Yeah. Martin Luther King day, bro. Yes. Happy. No traffic. Cheeses grades. That's our kicking this off. All right. All right. Good to see you guys. And I'm glad to be here. Big weekend. Big weekend for me shot. My. One hour comedy special for Showtime. It we finally did it we finally did it and a lot of work went into it. A lot was going on building up to it. It did feel a little bit almost like a fight week almost like a big football game. I really didn't get nervous intil. We got to the theater spectrum theater in San Diego. And I walked in my best friend from Denver joke, Lafon Stein fluid. And then of course, my brothers with me 'cause my tore manager and the both of the three of us walked in sprinkles. And I don't know. I just I didn't think about it. I do visualize sometimes, you know, leading up to big events or bake shows. And I I don't know my brain. I've never I haven't been behind the scenes of a big one hour special before I didn't know what went into it. We walk in we walk in and cop goes is there show? To show before you. I was like I don't he goes zip show last night. Like, I don't know it looks like fucking Kevin Hart within here something like that. And we hit the state because the stage was this you guys see it. I didn't posted he picked because I want you to see it for the first time on both. So my sorry about impose a real picture of these amazing pictures that my boy court Henderson took and doing you'll see the state. I mean, it looked. I mean, it's insane. Once I once I saw the stage, and I saw how many kind of people that were like the team that took the produce. This thing that I got I was like oh shit. This is real man. This is super real. Yes. One are not always the one hour special. But it's like the most legit one. I've ever seen. I've never been behind sick. It looks so sick. It was crazy. That is crazy all my family. Well, you know, I shouldn't say that my family did not come. My dad didn't come my mom didn't come shut up to them. Girl, didn't come son off. So you can't come. He's gonna be three. But of course, Jake came then my my my family as far as friends came Joe Rogan opened for me. Well, actually, Bryan emceed did five minutes than Julian came out and did ten to fifteen minutes thing on sanctuary about twenty a hot twenty that crowd was super hot. It was a great time though. That's what you want in that green room is all like the whole crew. So we have I'll see chins their cat was there. I got my crew here from blow the belt Malka Showtime. Yet Lewis Brian Daley was there who flew in on this. You can get them fired from Spinoza not. But he left a pack gal Boehner fight to make my comedy special yet, the the whole squad Todd Felton agent just an Ed brook Jason bear, my manager, Angie, who will semi forgetting someone's gonna kill me for. The whole BUSTER Jason my brother Klopp, the whole crew is they're Rogan Cowan or just Stevie blue eyes. And we're just all in the green room having a good time and that helped out so much just mean the crew doing our damn thing. Now's a cool cool night. When I again, I it's easy to visualize things when you've been there or you can reference something whether if you're fighter and you've never been to the big show before you can. I don't you can kind of get it down. But with. Maybe if you watch UFC, can you can get that picture and pick yourself in there with comics a little different. I've seen Tommy specials will four and stuff like that. And I've I've been in big shows at the comedy store when I was part of the all things comedy festival where it was, you know, whatever twenty six hundred people with Isha fair and Brian council like that. But it's just it's it's completely different vibe shooting commie special that I did I had no reference for so. Yeah, it was just it was just it went great. It went. It went on believable. It went really really good. And the way it breaks down for those either don't know as you shoot too. So you shoot shot one at seven o'clock, and then another at ten, and the reason shoot too is they you're wearing the same outfit, and you'll fricken the edit, you know, and make changes to which maybe the delivery was different or maybe flubbed a word here, but not on the second one. So it's just so it gives the best. The product possible Rogan shoots four four. So he goes to on Friday to on Saturday at it's the whole thing himself, like a savage and then releases his special, but most guys shoot to most regular comic shoot to just. So you you have a little bit of leeway. I thought the second one different better. And what was interesting again. I didn't know what to expect. And it's the most tickets I've ever sold in single night. And when I walked out on stage. So again and went Brian them, rowing crag goes nuts. And then rogue introduce me, and I hit the stage. Everyone stands up standing ovation. It's the loudest ROY I've ever heard in my tire life. And of course, my my Sissy asked are emotional, and I was like oh shit. I cannot cry. This is not the way you can kick off especially can't cry in front of these people because that would not be good to kick out the special. He cannot do that man. So that's how the first one started. I knew what to expect with a sec. And one flubbed. A few words, I don't think many people notice. But for me I've done that set. So many times I noticed where there was a lag something like that. So I was excited to the second one. I thought it was a home run on the second one messed up one word, but the Bill edit that from the first one. Yeah. Man. A lot went into this. And it was it was so cool and honor. I got the coolest gift of my life. My boy Lewis at Malka and price you give to me after because again, I get emotional. He gave me the official Showtime comedy poster night did post this, and it is so ridiculous. It is so dope. It will be. I'm I bought a new house on that will be the first thing hanging in my house in the in the theater down there. And it is it is so cool, man. My boy, Troy Conrad's took that picture, the local comedy store photographer, and he's the best in the business. And I couldn't be more honored to us that picture for my first one hour comedy special, and hopefully and get some more of those because my family friends are hit me up for him. I think the staff and everyone's asking about them. But yeah, long story short. It was a it was a special night, man. It was a great great night. I would've done something. Things differently up to it. It's all in hindsight. And what's funny to me is I did similar things. I did in my fighting career. Meaning I over trained for this. Meaning I. I become so obsessive and kind of over analyze everything that I over worked myself. So at you know, I've never done this for people can tell you just like anything, whether it's a football game a fight people with experience, you know. Hey, man, do this this and this is what I did. But you don't really don't figure out until you go through it yourself. So, you know, Brian did tell me oh, do take it easy. I know you take it easy. The week your special don't go crazy. I'm like. Yeah. Okay. But I like to be so over prepared. That's where I get my confidence from well. The problem is is so I did I did a a set at least I did two sets every single night Monday through Friday. And then during the day, I would have op see my my normal work schedule with below the belt fighter in the kid king in the sting, and then with below the belt for the Showtime stuff. We had a extra bonus podcast for they dream Boehner many pack, y'all fight then we had. Other stuff to cover with that as well. And then it was just a lot of lot of stuff by Thursday. My brain was I just felt like I was a little bit. I just fried. I didn't wanna talk. I just I just found myself just exhausted exhausted. And then that's when all my family and friends came in which again, you don't know till you go through it. And then I set up what I wanna do is Friday night. I wanted to run. My our like I do a regular comedy weekend. So you fly in Thursday, sometimes your show on Thursday two shows Friday to show Saturday, sauna mcgee's normal as possible. So I won't be one Sean Friday, then two shows on Saturday when you shoot in comedy special so Friday, we did flappers and Burbank never been a flappers amazing club. I don't know why more big-name commerce of amazing club. Have you been there twice? Really? Yeah. We talked about this my friends week think last week Brian trauma pro remind again. Yeah. My friend. She goes like just doing regular, you know, when you walk up and do it. What does that call open my open, Mike at twice end assume she was in that little room at a little like the size of this. What it's huge other side is huge. Let's is pretty big pretty big compared to that. Little you, correct. Literally this size and a lot of people when he Cummings does all I cur new material that's integrate place. Try new material generally do shit at Comey store, improv you, you know. And so a lot of people go there for that. But what's different about flappers is pretty sure it used to be a macaroni grill spend the for eight years, and they can this guy loves they converted it to flappers the comedy. Place now, and you know. So I'll see if it was a frigging macaroni grill has a great setup for kitchen. Well, they left that kitchen, and they told my brother because he deals all the logistics. Hey, Brennan doesn't eat before he comes because we have a great kitchen. I people tell me this before whichever sued. I go to all right. Then they bring out like nachos. And chicken fingers. I well, this be considered great kitchen you deep fried some fucking chicken fingers. So I didn't eat them. Like what happens and the key? It was the best food. I've ever had a comedy venue the best I had the prime rib prime Klopp had spicy burgers before. I got there. Most places and against just not not a knock on them. They give you a vegetable tray, you know, your standard shitty. Vegetable tray with like broccoli and carrots and celery and then ranch blue cheese with the fuck you want. That's usually what they do. It's cheap. Not not flappers flappers had a fricking Brie cheese Brie with blueberry jam on top. In toasted garlic bread. Wow. All access cruise been flying around all week. I mean, they got all of that meeting. The entire thing. I wanted stage before I take my face was shaped like a sharpei just from the sodium in the cheese. So that was good. But the food is ridiculous. They went line. Good room, good room. Goodwill. I was def definitely be back there. I love flappers. However, the thing about that is is eight o'clock show me and the boys left around six it's Friday. So usually tracks little earlier it took is the worst traffic got in. I I always defend LA traffic. I don't know why. Because the memorial I always defend it, and I'm moving further away. And it was like dude the traffic going Annika bothering. So I always defend the traffic to a matter of fact, what be will go. Yeah. LA though, the traffic. It pisses me off what? But it is d- were shopping of all time besides New York the fucking worst Manhattan's by further. However, so left at six it took two hours and fifteen minutes to get from Santa Monica to Bertrank. Fun. Not fun. I know not fun. I wanted to get out and run into oncoming traffic. I was so frustrated. So we were almost late for the show. They're like this. Where yet it's not the way you wanted to comedy, man. You don't you don't wanna fly in there and have to run an hour that was those tough. Was tough Burbank. I was very tough. But I will definitely be back. Yemen. So that was cool doing that. But again. Their similarities to leading up to my first Tommy special to my to the fights that I had in the or even when I was playing football games over analyze everything. And over I went trust the process I've done this hour over we figure out over one hundred thirty times that's a ton of workman. I got it. If I don't price should we have my own comedy special on Showtime. If you can't get it after that, many reps price shouldn't be up there. So you should have confidence in that. So you've got to trust the process, but again same thing had I every fight ever went to overtraining if rethinking fight I ever went into overtrained just in my coaches, tell me Lauren Landa my strength conditioning coaches the shrimp kit condition coach for the Broncos. Like, dude, you're good man in better shape anyone in here chill, and I just couldn't do it. You're couldn't do it. I get my conference from that. But. Regardless it worked. But I could tell man fry Friday. I was tired Thursday family came in when I say family, my brother came in Klopp. And then I just didn't you know, I'm gonna outgoing guy. I just I didn't wanna talk my energy was alright I was very feisty with people like. Just real short with people, which isn't my style. Man. You know, me I'm friendly, dude. Like with all access crew, they came with me to to pick up my shoes. And I posted these mainstream can see him from this guy named the shoe surgeon who's the best in the business. There's no one better in the world because my shoes and the way that went down his name's Dominic, by the way, come shoe surgeon. I call him a professor of shoes like days like Schuster's. And I'm like, I know, but you like, professor active. Excellent. All right, whatever. So he by far hands down when it comes to customization of shoes. He's the best in the world. And. I knew I wanted to special shoe right shoes. My thing you guys know this. I knew I wanted to special shoe for my first comedy special who knows how many gonna get. So I reached out to him three weeks ago, usually at least eight to twelve weeks to get a shoe made by Dominic the shoe surgeon, and I go I send a picture of wines at thinking get it done. I'm shooting my Showtime comedy special in three weeks, and he puts Jesus man. I don't know. And then he goes, which ones did you want? And I said, I'm these goes, dude, I'm only doing these five pairs for family and friends interested in these. And there were the union if he hasn't shoe people your game fast forward this. They're the union Jordan ones, which are already impossibly hard to find. So he takes those union Jordan's. He deconstructs them puts snake leather all over them. And then to make him one of once in the only five that in the world off white doesn't make these off white is a is a is a collab- Nike does. So the off white shoes that they do with Virgil. He's not part of Nike date. They outsource to him and have him design the shoe and his thing is there deconstructed chew. So they look like they're in the the beginning stages. That's why those are I don't know. That's why the hotness right now. So that's they don't they've never done this with the union Jordan's or nothing like this. So he combined it combined. What out the off white does with the unions with Nike, and that's why there's only five in the world. This where it gets interesting and this whereas overtraining being kinda short with people. So when all access grew is there we go to create town. I think the school hotel, and he teaches classes here's like seminars on. It's amazing. What he does. He's a brilliant creative guy. The nice guy in the world is kids. Are there? His wife is there. Everyone's great amazing. But they hand me the shoe, and it's missing what makes them kind of special with the off white things in the regular ones. As were says union. It's we'll see that on the soul has missing. And because the cameras are rolling out of the goddamn do. I see something or and it the little stuff like that. Shouldn't drive me nuts. It trove me. Not all I could think of. So I brought to his attention. He's at gosh. It man. You know, they came there. We were in Russia get these done. And so he's like what we're haven't done today. We give them to cold on. Well, you can put anything you want. They're put put. Union. Those didn't come with that. You're just gonna put the money to see I go, can you put whatever I want on there. He's not really meant when we do five of these. If we do something special that makes value up. That's not really not what we do want five or five one five. I know what you forgot you can put anything on their man, we we put something else on. There is equal takes to me. We'll see what we can do. So I asked him to put on Showtime where the union was gonna go. And then my son's name tiger on the other shoe. And then probably about six hours later, they delivered to my house. And they're the dope shoes I've ever seen ever. I was so excited. Most comfortable shoes I've ever seen. There's some special ones. You guys will see him when that Showtime specials released. They see him the pitch to in the all access grew got all that stuff, but shut up to the shoe surgeon. I love that dude. And I will definitely get together. Again. Here's the interesting. What do you do with those shoes though? I what do you think you do with them chin because so I think Brian David Showtime was I just to you know, win there you're gonna frame. Them put them in your house last box out could be cool. And then I mentioned that to the shoe surgeon Dominic. He's like, that's why you get these menu wear. I'm like, yeah. He has a point there. So they come the ficials standup shoe where wherever I do stand by just where those shoes now because show, you know, I don't know. That's the dilemma I'm having. That's why can sleep skin. I just can't sleep last night. Have no idea soap like shit. I don't know. Our title yell shoes. A ridiculous, right? Specially special Shuman. I did you stay the night, Geno. No. I didn't say the night. Now you've Joe back. Yeah. They came with all dudes all Deutz. Interesting move. I usually bring grow with girls. Yeah. What happened? These guys are grew up with for since I was like in junior high high school. Well, yeah. So trying to think the only person I know that that I'm still super friends with from junior high or high schools caught on the night. Don't there you go you brought club well beyond a little differently. Why it's just like people that you know, that really know you've ever since you're like younger, and you still you still you're still friends still hanging out with month to not all the time. So it was like a good night out to take him out to see you there. The first time they saw you to frigging loved it. No nice. Yeah. Did you guys drink before after you game GM drink or again, I? Piss. Cite sources, bro heard. You took a piss in theater sitting in the chair. I find it insulting high-performance. No and a distraction. It's it's if anything it's like, a it's honor. I didn't leave the seats yet to take your piss so hard you don't get up in Idaho told you it was Ken. Nope. How dare you know when your friends DM? Yeah. Whatever with a picture of you pissing in. No one knew. But yeah, I couldn't walk out. And you know, the place was so frigging packed that when we first walked in Iraq half an hour early. Yeah. The bathroom lines were so crazy house waiting for it to to die down never die down. So I was like shit. I have to hold it. And so is there holding, you know, badly I wanted to leave, but I can't leave in it'd be messed up. So I just tell you when to say seated, please don't please don't walk out to do their aim at comic live where I wanted. If I take your hard pissed. Yeah. I gotta get out man. That's what I did for you, man. I appreciate it man 'cause samurai warrior taken that night. In Jim into stuff. I appreciate you. Thanks, man. What did you piss in though, we have these little cups? They're like glass cups, and I feel bad about this. I hope no one gets in trouble by saying this not piss Cup those he in trouble. Maybe me, I'm saying hope you enjoyed it. What's the plastic the see through plastic Cup? How many ounces we talking? It's about. What would you say? That is right there twelve ounces. Alright. Twelve ounces that tall sixteen big big gulp size. No, no, not big upsize, whatever they're selling in the front zero. Was it narrow and long had like a big opening and then a narrow down in all that. Yeah. It took me forever. I did not one. Here's what I did. I knew I had to let some go, otherwise, I was gonna burst. So I just tried to fill it enough to where I could hold it longer to go to the bathroom afterwards. Do just let it fuck and flow. Here's don't know. It looks like bear it looked like clear beer. Yeah. Likely you're probably like, Bud Light. Yeah. Yes. Like, light, beer, pours light. Yes. The problem set that down. So was this warm warmers five took it with me. I wanted to throw it away. Do it away. I wanted to throw it away outside. I don't wanna leave it there. Sure. But in the security is like no you have to put it in this trash. You can't bring alcohol like well. Yeah. Exactly. I can't maybe. So. Away in a trash can dam only one. 'cause I know like I gotta piss hard right now gangs. I drink so much coffee. And I get to the studio I I've had times where those, you know, those like you don't realize how much piss you stone almighty, God is in CENA, I filled up one of those big fucking Gatorade. Things two of them before you don't realize it, man. So you understand the pain then? Yes. And it's also hard to piss it. It's so hard like when everyone's around is like, you know, I had my leather jacket over me. So your leather jacket over over pushing my into the Cup and your neck because I was pretending like cold site. Just put I'll do it over. I was draped over here Dong out the front here and just sit or, you know, sometimes it's nice to sit up like this. That would be so obvious like regular like this. Oh, and then I just put it here. And I just kind of like moving around a lot though, so obvious. I doubt it's not obvious like pissing in my whole, no one did. All right. If you find out the best ideas as far as taking piss in public talk to Brian Cowen today on finding the kid. All right. I've been at the beach with him. And I was like dude, I get a piss so bad. He's like you do say, no more fam-. And he's follow me. I go. It did went on Venice beach mill summer. It is. To the fuck in Bram with people count goes just sit down for a second. All right. We sit down. He says thanks to me is do what I do. He digs a fuck in all like a dog or the groundhog dig this hole. And he goes just put your little chunks of the side piss down the whole no one noticed because we're just sitting here like two men and join a beach view. That's a good one. Yeah. And they just put the sad back and keeps on keeping on. That's good. Yeah. Count geared that Chipman really good at it. The hotel was amazing man pantry hotel shout to the pantry hotel really really cool hotel had a few drinks after the. After the special dinner. I mean, people d celebrate I don't I don't know. I was just I was more relieved that it was done same thing. When this big event, whether you have a wedding and birthday, and there's a lot that goes into you more relieved when it's done. I think the biggest thing for me is anyone who's been show. You know, this, and I'm not sure I told the story a similar story on. Commie strength central's. This is not happening Swiss to air this month or next month. I don't I'm not sure what they're doing that by that two years ago. So I've been telling that fight story basically like out from the cage to the stage of how I got him stand up comedian for. A version of that three years now. Pray three years. Yeah. I mean, and it's a vault over time. Even if comedy central ears that one it's a comp- not a complete. It's obviously the framework same, but you'll see how much better at got one during the Showtime special. But I'm I'm just sick of that story, man. That thing was ready to go on. Now. I will never tell it story again. That's it man. That was kind of the the funeral the send off for that. Was that comedy special? That's it man. And I'm I'm relieved, I'm relieving. It's not that. I know like telling the story, which is like just wanna move on man. You just want to move. I've done how many sets I'm I don't know for that story over two hundred at least with that story. Squeezed every inch out of that fucking thing. And now, it's all right, cool, man. Good stories over get outta here. I'm excited that this over. I was most excited about that. So yeah. Had a few drinks. Couple of Campari sodas when my buddies in the in the bar area. My girl's brother came Stephen his girlfriend to rally is good to see them. How? Yeah. Had to Campari sodas that was my celebration food was closed. I was starving. And I had some old. This is disgusting at some old, mashed potatoes coldest shit in my room and eight does that was my dinner. So my celebration was two comparisons and smolt mashed potatoes. How was your adrenalin? What do you mean? After the show. I think sleep like four am like sit in bed like an actual fight or different completely different Kimberly. Th there's not that many similarities the only reason I reference fighting's because that's a lead up to big event. But football's exact same way. I'm sure baseball's the same way boxing same way NASCAR should say whenever there's a big a big event. So whether you're a wedding, it's this big ant, anticipation, anxiety and. Kind of nervously up to and what's it's over. There's you know. So the fight is completely do fight because your safety is on the line, you're drilling. And it's fight or flight like there's so much the sense of the show and saying like. By I was it's not that. I was nervous because I've been on a big stage before but never with the Showtime crew there on this type of stage, but I've been there. I know I can control this the fighting. I cannot control this I can control. So I'm nervous. But I'm gonna get punched in the face. I'm not gonna get embarrassed. I know I'm not going to embarrass I know the products good. So I know some dudes not gonna hate kick me into next week. And everyone's gonna see it. I'm gonna lose teeth have broken bones. Like the fight Deutz. What people don't realize after fight even if you win if you're thin like that croak up fight ahead or any fight. You know, the name of fight. But even if the winner, you you don't go back and celebrate with your family a lot of time. So she's a war year in the hospital till four or five in the morning. You're not a fun time you go the press conference. Sometimes if you really beat up you have to skip that and go straight to the hospital thing about hospitals. You're sitting around there waiting you're in pain. It's not all that glitz and glamorous after five men as John Jones gusts Guston, you know, that first one they're both so beat up they spent how long in the hospital is not no way. No. When I get down to the fight. I thank heavens that I didn't get hurt. If I didn't. Dear God, thank you so much 'cause it's like, it's so intense completely different thing. Yeah. And then with fighting get done who had come. I God meal, you'll fights a monster necks beat the number twelve guy. I got fi- who's eleven and you're just thinking about that with this. It's like oh, hell, yeah. This was this is your so happy about, you know, their school, man. It was a really cool night excited to get unexcited. Take some time off the road and then come up with all new shit. That's what excites me, and as we're driving to see any us thinking, dude. What if I don't come up with another hour? The fuck am I gonna do how embarrassing would that be what if I don't come up with anything else? And so then I asked Rogin Brian. We're talking in the back of your, hey when you get shoot your special get nervous. You never be able to come up with another hour again rose every time every comic deals with us. I think out not wear. So we'll see we shall see. But there's a lot of fighting going on over the weekend. Saw most of it miss some of the prelims did see my boy cowboy fight, and we will get to that NFL playoff. You definitely didn't see it chin ni- miss it. And there's I and I think it's been the Super Bowl the NFC and AFC championship games are better in the Super Bowl super both kind of weak to me takes too long. Does that big S halftime show? People are watching the commercials usually have those Super Bowl parties everyone's over can't hear shit. So that this to me is the biggest weekend in football them. It was the most exciting time all the team's legit should be there. I teams I was rooting for usually. Let's my Broncos. Right. I grew up in Denver. I'm usually like I just wanna get gained. But this I was cheering for two teams. Specifically, I want them to go. I had investment, you know, really wanted. Is to win and move on and one team one and the other it so it was the LA. Rams, right. I live in LA. So get take on either the Rams charges. So the Rams than the other would be the Kansas City Chiefs a Mahone fan. And I it's not that. I dislike the patriots. I I like I don't dislike any team. I don't dislike any player, and he fired. I'm not that guy. I don't like this team at Hayes team like a psycho because they live in a more miles away from where it my city. It's ridiculous. And I get the rivalry. But you can't shouldn't hate them. So I'm just I'm just sick of the patriots. They're they always patriots some east coast kids in patriots fans. Not new jets jets take the patriots jets. Yeah. So most of the Showtime teams, east coast kids who moved out to LA you. You're welcome guys. Real you came from New Jersey. You're welcome. So. Yes. So it's not that. I dislike the patriots actually always root for Brady again. 'cause I root for greatness. I think there's people out there who are made up of different elements than the rest of us. I think Brady's one of those guys. He's getting older. He's kind of playing the underdog thing. Even though they've been in how many straight fuck in SE championships. Those kind of lame, but I actually bought into it as a God, they do kinda suck. They're about to get fucked up by the chiefs wrong, definitely wrong. Brady, look good. The team. Look good. Mojo matchy balled out. It was just, you know, not their they're they're overtime so stupid. They're overtime is. So fucking stupid. The pros how it's so stupid. Why not do the college way because whoever wins the toss? Those offenses are show Goodman, especially this day and age in the NFL with these high powered offenses, of course in scored touchdown. But then you don't give the chiefs a chance to answer back. It shouldn't be touchdown game over we'll fought them. All all it matters that stupid random flip of. A coin it was so stupid -ment, especially between the chiefs and patriots. And then fucking d- what d- Ford dude, you how much money that guy gets paid not to be offsides. Do being the Super Bowl the fucking Super Bowl. You play. You played football since you were seven the first thing they teach you don't be off sides. And this fucking moron is off sides. The biggest play of his life and two interception game set match game over, but you're off sides as a grown man who get paid millions of dollars. Are you shitting me do crazy? That is crazy fucking crazy ninety a little more half to you. I couldn't believe I was. So it's very rare sports restaurant me. I it's like, I get it. I was so upset I'm from Denver. I should hate the cheese, but the fucking and he's Ford's been blamed gray. All season. I've watched every LA Rams game most achieve games on out here because my home such a badass, right? So those in the chargers, I've seen all their games are the games. I watch damn there. Every sunday. Fuck the Ford on believable, man, if I'm the coach, I'm like, do I gotta let you go. Why? 'cause you cost us the Super Bowl 'cause you're offsides. Fuck dude, are you. If you missed the play Mr. tackle I can deal with that off sides in the AFC championship game. Are you are you out your goddamn mind? Do you play football as a kid for fun for fun you ever offsides? No. Of course. Not. And here's the thing. He lined up offsides. It's not like Tom Brady was like, no there's none of that. It was vying offsides. It's so frustrating, man. Now, it's coming out on the podcasts. Apologize. But fuck you deferred t Ford God damn it. And well Brady's off the fucking sue while gin, which is kinda cool. See the videos these posting their hilarious. You gotta love Brady. I do love that guy. He does it with. Nobody about a bell chick fan. If I'm kind of weird. I don't know what is about them. You can tell him Brady hate each other, which is kind of odd. Awesome. I'd love to be a flying on know. Exactly. What's going on with that really ship? They hate each other. And the only reason Brady is still there because he's frigging best friends and balls deep with the owner Robert Kraft if not Brady we've been out they were going to trade gronkowski Detroit. There's all sorts of it's cool, man. You look in the art conspiracy theories looking in the patriots, man, the whole the way it works. It's fascinating. There are shit show behind the scenes they fucking hate each other. But when it gets down to it the Xs and os. There's no one better, and you I'll tell you right now if I'm the Denver Broncos if I'm the Miami Dolphins if I'm Jacksonville if I'm the shitty jets if I'm the giants. Naming the other team that needs to coach Armstong fucked. I'm back in the brink trucks up as says and paying Tony Romo to be D coordinator or head coach Hewlett this. Motherfuckers, mama, Cleo of the NFL euless. He's calling. Exactly what's going to happen before anything happens. It's insane. It's insane. Tom Brady do like a check down you'd go. Like this like, oh, he's calling it off. They're actually run them to the right? Well, fuck dude, he calls every single play to a tease. Well, hire that someone higher that guy. And if he can do it from the fuck and sky box way up. Why can't why can't the D coordinator the chiefs? Do it. Why can't you figure it out? Throw the fucking Scrooge mcduck check that Tony Romo coach. It was amazing that some people hate it. Because you know, it's like imagine. If there's a fight like imagine rogue new like oh Cowboys gonna head kick him out. There you go and they sweep the leg by come on. Man, you're ruin it for us. But you enjoy it when Tony Romo does it. He's so smart, man. He's so good in smart. That game was frustrating than other side. The Rams one LA Rams one. There's some hilarious videos of the Rams fans. Get just shows how jaded the the LA fans are right because they're back now there in St Louis not as excited as most the other fans around the world for the teams to win. It is what it is. There's some diehard ran fans out there, but still tillers to watch these videos, they're all over to hundreds of Hume find him. Should they have one was that passer affairs? Yes. Pass interference. As also head had contact it. You could have thrown the book at it. So I see why the saints fans are upset. I get it. I liked the saints. I love drew Brees. I like to coach all of them the I like the City New Orleans. I think no one deserves it more than them. But just didn't go their way. What's interesting to me though, that yeah. That place fucking sucks man that deficit pass interference stunning still gonna win. But football's into sign off one play. Typically, usually you if you're the the Rams you could come up with multiple cases where you should call a penalty every play you could call penalty. So to hang on that one play. I get it. You guys can be so mad at the ref in that. But he definitely you lost the game. But they call them at one player. Great great day of playoffs and the Super Bowl yet New England versus the Rams definitely cheering for the Rams. I think they're gonna beat the show New England. I think their defense can do it with Donald demonstrating them and the chiefs chiefs offense more high powered defense all fall in the Rams high powered offense dope. Best defense. I think it'd be patriots. We'll see man. We'll see. Let's. Some fights big weekend kicking off you had agent Brown versus Manny Pacquiao on Showtime, pay per view. Not the best fight not the best fight agent. Bronner's going to Adrian Brunner, and I was highly disappointed in it. For multiple reasons. Watching all access. I found myself rooting for agent Browner. He's never won the big fight. I don't know. I thought maybe he would get over the hump, and this would be yet, and he won't be so defensive and he went come out so slow, and he realized that from his previous big fight that he lost that that's not the way to do things. And everyone said he was on track and he's never trained so hard. And I believed all that bullshit and then agent broadens Gaijin Browner. He came in was very hesitant was afraid to throw right? From the start is very clear to see not the most entertaining fight, many pack out. Look pretty good. But I think it's also another case of eight and Brunner just not showing the fuck up during the the big the big paydays. It just was instinct, and then to make it even worse making him worse. He gets on the Mike and talk shit to gray. And just says Jim gray goes, oh, you're three three three and one. Last some fights us. Yeah. But I'd be 705 thought you. All right. Well, Jim great seventy bro. He seventy take that aggression out on many Pac L that you could have done for the last twelve rounds do shit in my hood still would make dude stop it. You gotta win. You win the big fights. It's over game over you'll still get some fights in game over. All right. Cool. You know, you can never beat the big name guys. All right. It is what it is all the potential just not there anymore. This is the this fight would been the big one to get you to a Floyd. So in bigger just not there. All right. Fuck it. That's what it is. It's frustrating. But fuck it. It is what it is many pack up. Forty look good is he a world beater still. I don't know what to do that daydream Boehner most of the high level guys do that daydream broder. So all right. Let's see what next repack. Yeah. It was interesting when they looked at Floyd Mayweather when Jim gray was like is that what's next for you? He just keeps staring at the camera. I don't think he wants to you got it right here. Yeah. Yeah. Please. I'm so thankful to the fans that the Philippine people are coming here and live in in in my fight. So thank you so much support. Also, they Showtime you. Many. Thank you. Thank you look forward to seeing next thing Hadrian. Over here. I got a lot to say we're going to conduct with professionally or we're not going to have an interview you make the decision. What did you think about the fight? But at meeting everybody out there beating. I could tell the fight. He was missing. I hit him clean. What terms IB hill ever eight punches less than eight punches was the most punches that you had in round. And it seemed as though you couldn't get this thing. It already sounded like he was against me. So already affair. Nabet ain't gotta take talking you. But let me talk some let me let you know. I want to thank the whole hood who came out here, y'all. I did this. No. No, I beat that. Boy, John upbeat that boy they trying to what they trying to do with trying to get that money again with Packy, our employees. But this I weren't about it. I'm still that nigga minimal top Cincinnati stand up west side too, bad, your three three one in your last seven fights. What would you do next? Hey, I'm three one my last seven, but I'll be seven no against you. But that wouldn't mean much. That's the end of this interview. Good luck to you in the future. Cool. Great comeback. I yeah. You would probably be on the I'm seventy don't fight. So good point. Where's the Floyd one though right here Floyd Mayweather co promoter here this evening. In the house watching assessing Hugh sometimes saying things during the fight. Will you fight him next? Do you want that fight? Then him to come back to rain, and we will fight. I mean, I'm willing to fight again. Floyd Mayweather, if he's willing to come back in boxing. Floyd. You're staying out of the ring. But we got a camera there. Are you going to accept that challenge? A simple nod. We'll do on the monitor. Yes. Or no fly. No reaction. Well, I'm sure he will go through the business of it and money Mayweather, we'll make that assessment. Thank you, really thankful to Showtime BBC, and I'll Halen to forgive me this big which push him in the corner. Anything? I don't know, man. I don't know. I guess I'll watch many pack Floyd to. Guess I'll watch it for sure it'd be interesting with both little older can't be any worse than the first one that we all paid a hundred dollars for you my fuckin- money back. Yeah. What that for sure always wants to fight co. There's a problem though. There might be a problem. So this came out today a little earlier that there's a chance that many PacTel might have suffered a detached retina. This is just from sources fight an injury and the bro really. Really? So it's either a scratched cornea or could be detached right now, which means no Mayweather fight and no possibly no career. Oh, no way to test retinas as hit at his age is Christmas game over. I would. I would rather watch pack. Y'all fight. Devante dues. That's what I'd like to see. But I'm sure the Floyd fight. Pray does better for them. So see what we get was a great fight. Let's be honest. Right. Then the UFC first you've see on ESPN heard the numbers and subscriptions were good. Which is a good sign. The most watched prelims than and thirteen. I think. Yeah. On ESPN on regular spin. Why not split this whole goddamn card on all regular ESPN? That'd be great. So that's cool. So five hundred sixty thousand new ESPN subscribers which is a little it's a little Honey dick yet because. Yeah. Hundred fifty six eight hundred five hundred sixty eight thousand did sign up, but it's free for a month. Yeah. In the fall off could be real after from why here a lot of people that prompts to. So it could be even higher because I don't a lot of people have problems with the ESPN plus thing a lot of my friends. Yeah. A lot of people did. So we'll see. But either way it's a good showing man, you want you want it to good you want to go get over there. So I guess I saw I saw my boy saw cork Santa Hagan. I told you guys about this frigging kid. I'm telling you man, one in the first round submission arm bar Houston to fight John Lineker, and he pulled out. So he got Mario Bautista and he destroyed him that kid is fucking special bantamweight keep. An iron him. And also if you're betting whenever he's on our dog put your money on him because you make money because they haven't caught up to where he's at right now. And then Sironi verse Alexander Hernandez Serono you've been Surani baby Surani being motherfucking Sironi. And he got himself that McGregor fight. I posted this someone sent me this in the McGill a to at St. fight Banj on chill be watches. So on the play positive for Saint Jin posit. Yeah. So this is Alexandra Fernandez talking match it to dance aronie a ton of shit. And I get it. You're trying to hype up the fight stuff like that. But it I don't know. This is the world we live in with the entertainment business with the UFC. So I get what he's doing. But this is what happens in this day and age when you are kind of forced to talk shit. But then. Yeah. Le- live with the repercussions. So play this. I just see myself facing an insecure little lad swinging on a saddle with a pop gun in feather in his hat. I can't wait for Saturday. Man. I'm excited static static attic. Yeah. Listen, my little friend. I'm not one to sit there and talk. So if you got like big things to say, we're fighting on Saturday, keep professional we stood in the bag. You didn't have much to say. So if you if you do not much say their partner, I'll tell you this little friend. I'll be sitting geriatric ass fucking e hind back to the stables on Saturday. I know I understand. Comes with fight for money on Saturday. But on this guy to sit here and talk shit because I know foyer on the fucked up put me in the wrong room, right next to you little motherfucker. So you has some say you can knock on my door. Okay. Fourth appears that of the council. And I think he earned himself. I've been telling you guys cowboy verse Tom McGregor is gonna happen. Tony that's going to happen. Yeah. And he's owned it with that. And he kinda McGregor tweet out. I'll fight that cowboy that they fight. Let's do it. And I know they're close before there's waiting for Connor to agree to it. Because cowboy has the contract. So the see what happens. Yeah. Amazing fight makes sense for both guys. Phenomenal fucking fight. That's the fucking. That's the fight man. So shut out to Don Sironi back on track. Baby in a big way than glow touch era to down trying to arm triangle, choke against Karl Robertson called the patriots defeated Rachel 'hostage submission in the second round arm bar. Rachel oath, rich get any more attractive as UFC fighter jet. Did you see the wayans Jesus Christ? She's lot smaller than I thought to she's actually really tiny smaller than page. Yeah. I mean pay. Yeah. Basic good first round. You know, she hasn't been in the wild filtered out she had taken down and then second round founder found her way. And got it done VR. She says Moore, she is a much more. She's more experienced but a higher skill set than rituals. Switching be fine. She find she's looking good to. Yes. And she her career go million which a lot of fights left in her as far as modeling. I, you know, I do Rachel ostrich if I'm Reebok, and I don't know what they're deal is going to be with UC move forward. But how in the world you don't do like some sort of campaign around her? Because even yes, she lost the patriots. All right. It's not the end the world MMA's different the box, and you lose your credit. Your your ranking really doesn't fly down like boxing. You Chris not over know what your stock doesn't go down. That much. He can fight next week and get right back in swear sport works completely different the boxing with Rachel's diverge, if I'm Reebok I do campaign about women's power and power mint and her dealing with this domestic violence and how frigging attractive in pretty shoes. She's a mom, and you do some sort of line. You know, what I'm saying with her as far as this whole women's movement going on and she's the poster girl for it. Matt she fights for living and deals with domestic violence knowing she deal with it. But she fought the highest level in the UFC months after deal a month after dealing with that very reality with that. She's on the same card. It's Greg hardy dealt with that. So I don't think your stock goes down anymore. I just the more experienced she gets you start winning fights. It's there so shout to Rachel's to it's also shot to page van that she was on show love page. It's a big win for her huge win for the my boy joy benefit has got. Done against it. Doesn't Ortiz again, you know decision. It's good for that for that flyweight division. But we'll see what happens that, and then Gregor Galazi who's just a fuck in monster. And it's flying under the radar and he's just happy go back and fish. I will fish with you medium redeeming. I will go fish, dude. And we'll film it and be careful now because I know competitive, I grew up fishing son fishing in Denver. My daycare is beyond about fishing so much Ps and qs, and we will go fishermen, and then the co main event Alan crowded, restrict hardy. You know, Dana does a lot of stuff where you take a lot of chances. And you have to be promoted where it pays off. And then sometimes it doesn't pay off. And this is one of those times it blew up completely in his face. It's your ESPN. It's one has to be when you're most entertaining high profile cards a year. I'll see it was one of their biggest ratings of all time and a lot more subscribers ESPN, plus, but if you're an ESPN employees, if you're a new fan to the sport, and you turn on let's say and missed a dancer on you, miss joy bene- viewed and you Mitch page, vans and global take share and Greg blessing all these amazing talented fighters like me, just see what's going on. And you clicked on TV and you got Allan crowd of Greg hardy bike what the fuck is this. It was the lowest product Dave ever put out besides the punk fighting. It's by far the lowest quality product you've ever put out the US. See is the flaming young. It is aged find beef. Us prime PICO gram beef. It isn't the best you can get in the world as far as combat sports. Don't give us fast-food don't deliver McDonald's. When we're expecting a five course meal. Don't Donald Trump us when we get to the White House of mixed martial arts and feed it's fucking Wendy's. Or McDonalds man, don't do that give the people the fillet the match 'tatoes the best food in the world because you have it. You have it in the back there don't serve up this low level shit show. And that's what you got not only serving up low level shit show. But you're giving us Greg hardy who has zero skills nobody is zero skills which was completely showcased, but he has a huge history of domestic violence huge. And then a shout to area who wanna Hawaii being like, dude. What do you think of the criticism? We don't think should be in the co main event spot. There's a lot of people wanna see you losing just like anyone I take chances. And I'm happy of a second chance. All right. Let's talk about that. I believe in second chances as well. I really do. I believe in taking chances. I believe in second chances if you fail the steroid test if you took a supplement, and you take flagged hot if you. Made a mistake here and there in life, but when it comes to domestic violence. That's not a mistake. That's a that's a personality. That's a that's a that's who you are. That is not a managed fucked up and hit a girl excuse me. No that the sun state that doesn't work like that. Well, you don't know the situations. You know, I've been some crazy to agents. I, you know, I've been thirty five years on clap dealt with some crazy chick update some crazy chicks never in my life. Have I may mistake, you're hitting a woman. That's not a mistake. That's a character trait. That's you man. That's you. That's what you do. That's just what you do. And I don't think so one of his skill set with that background should be given these opportunities. Now that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a shot which they gave him on the fights contender series. Dana white condensers. That's fine continue to build them up with that. But to put him as combing event on your biggest fight card to kick off. The new fuck in deal with ESPN is insane is insane in so amateur hour, and is so it's just not well thought out that just it just shows you where they're at where that is a business. And it's it's embarrassing. The product was embarrassing. His skills are embarrassing. He does not have a career in the UC. I think we cannot we all find that out when you're beating Kansas knocking on the first round on the contender series. All right. That's fine. But he should be fighting at this level because you don't have a lot of expense. But you don't showcase that as the combing event on ESPN when you look at the rest of the card, you the rest of the carbon put put him up put him on the early prelims with the rest of the guys. No one's tuning. They can't wait see Greg hardy skills. He's not that guy. And then what happens? What happens? The worst case you checked all boxes, they should not be the first one being the domestic violence background. All right. Cool. And then you also have rituals vich fight on the card. All right. Definitely check. Let's not do that saquon skillset nowhere near at the level professional athlete in the UFC. Not even in close when it comes down to see him punk is more skill than Greg hardy his ground game. He's worked harder on his jujitsu is taking the proper steps to get there. All right. So there's that so skill set. Not there shouldn't be there. Then the third strike would be when the going gets rough when he's not when Alan Crowder and shout down crowd. I love you man, when he didn't get knocked out right away when Greg hardy kid him, he didn't fall down you find out what you're made of you find out if this fight businesses for you. Because when you're starting guys a minute, thirty seconds. Now, this is easy. I didn't do this all day. That's not fighting that is not fighting. That's not a real fight. So when Greg hardy as a bully who hits women finally get stood up to what happened. What happened not a God damn thing? You put. Tail between his legs taken down gassed out the power wasn't there. We see his horrible display of jujitsu. I mean, you're not even doing the basics. Right. The framing the posting to get up. All that is completely wrong. So here in covered those bases. But then what's he do his true colors come out? And he finds a way to get out in a legally knees. Allen Crowder took ended. Okay. We'll do. That's easy that could happen. Anyone? Don't stop stop stop. That doesn't happen. Anyone? That's not like he was on his way up, and it's illegal. You're talking about the down opponent. You don't do. This is not natural to Neo to Neo guy in the face on the ground where he trained out ATT trust me day. Do not teach this you Anna urine Jentzsch. It comes from there yet fucking Amanda Nunez. You get some the best fighters in the on the planet that come out of there who do not act like this. You don't train that? That's not. That's not a natural movement mixed martial arts. No one fucking does that. So where does that come from? It's a character trait. You're a bad, dude. Just chalk it up. You don't came in out of five hundred fighters on the roster. You're gonna have some bad apples. You can have some frigging evil apples. He's one of them listening knowledge what it is trying to paint him as this fucking that. He's not this black viper snake? He's not this. Viper snake? You can't hide from from from the from the stripes man, just cause you want to paint this snake pink when he's a God, damn Cobra. It's still Cobra man, but you guys trying to market this as it always he's re evolved, and he's a better, dude. And he's not like that watches interviews. Tell me he doesn't he's not dead behind. The is like a God, damned great white shark. He's cream what the fuck are you talking about pretty create what are you talking about? And he wants something even more embarrassing put them in there against anyone ranked in the top hundred and see what happens put him in there against anyone with minimal skills, and he gets fucking starched. And you're serving as fuck in fast food when my friends and family, and everyone I know tuned into ESPN to see the highest level of mixed martial arts in the world, and you fucking shit on us. You Donald Trump us. We're the Clemson Tigers. You gave his McDonald's you son of a bitch. And then you say we're going to give them more fights. What the fuck are you talking about? Giving him more flights. Swallow, your ego and say, you just shouldn't be here. We may mistake. We thought I've never seen go past the first round he punched him, but on Saint Carter's rate loss of edge, cool, man and move on. But what you don't do as we'll see what happens. We'll keep going more fights. No what you do is go. He's nowhere near the level that we take pride in that. We've built this sport up from day one from the ground up and everyone loves it. We're not gonna shit on you guys like that. That's our bad. You know, what we're gonna do when you put him back on the regional seen get more skills. And hope we have no more mistakes. And then bring him back bat are bat. You won't hear that. You won't hear that you won't. And it's a shame. And you see that piece of shit fight again. Bad dudes bad dudes? It is what it is going paint that fuck and cheetah pink spots are under those never go away. It's different. He did not. He did not fuck in steal from target. He did not. You're not talking about stock exchange. Trade bullshit inside trading. None of that. You're not PD's. You're talking about hitting a woman being the shit out of her. You should get a second chance. But it shouldn't be in the UC. This isn't a redemption story. This is a piece of shit story. And hopefully, your end of the light at then you're tunnels, not hitting women not become the UC heavyweight champion of the world. The fuck you talkin about this is ESPN you gave us fast-food where expectant flaming young. And that's what you did to us, and it blew up in your fucking face way to go. I'll tell you what was fun watching a fight with Brogan Brian count in the back here in Rogin talk about it. I'm not gonna speak for that was fun that was fun here and break down and critique this technique that was fantastic. And I wish you wanted to heard that night guy knows more about the sport than anyone on the fucking planet. Th- ridiculous, man. Well, but he's young. Oh is he no he's not? That's not a prospect. How old is that fucking guy? Thirty thirty at least. Exactly. That's not young. Down with it. I'm done with it. Back to mate event. Yeah. Made event. U T J dillashaw Oliver's, Henry pseudo. I. This was a bit of a disappointment for me because these and it's completely different grown from Alan Crowder in Greg hardy skill set and shot it Allan crowd or you're on my favorite fighters. Now love to have you on the show whenever you're in LA. Let me know man, you deserve. So going from Crowder in Greg hardy right to Henry saloon T J dillashaw, which could be you consider the most technical skilled fight of all time. They're up there. Top five. Those guys are show fucking skilled teat both pound for pound not five easily easily. That's might wake last bounce around greats. So you have a chance to champ. And I was expecting a display of straight up mixed martial arts at the highest level. And what happens T J dillashaw gets cut, right? By the started. With a kick me that was a little bit of issue. And then behind the air was early stoppage. Yes. And this come for me. I I always side on the the of the ref at early. I really stop early in the late. I hate when they stop at late. There's so much more fighting left in both these gentlemen, stop it early. I'm cool with that this one was I found even a little too early Rusling hat damn, dude. Especially when it's a champions to champ. Those guys are skilled experienced fighters. It's early in its very early in the first round matter of fact, it's thirty seconds. You got here you let them go with tad. I'd rather stop that one one punch late, especially because they're lighter weights the lighter weight than one gets in its changes life for the most part. Now, if this is Shane carwin Brock Leser stop that bitch early because you let shit. And get a hit on anyone late. It's going to change the dynamics of their chemistry of their body in the brain. I get that. When it's one hundred twenty five pound man for one hundred twenty five pound, man. Maybe let it go on a tad late. You know what I'm saying? Especially when it's this important, man. You just you can't do that. You can't do that. But regardless this isn't a Hinson hudo problem. This is A T J dillashaw prom Henry pseudo look phenomenal in those thirty seconds. The problem is, and I I I believe this bias because TJ Dilshad a buddy of mine, but I don't think we've found out who's the best don't same. When Jay DSP came Blazquez. We didn't find out the happened on the remember what's very interesting about this is Henry sued on T, J dillashaw and right hand. I think it was a right hand behind the ear, thirty seconds. We'll Cain Velasquez June to Santo. I. Card on FOX major FOX exacting thing. Thirty seconds, forty seconds clip on there. I don't think that's good for business because it's also not a flush knockout. It's like blind had wobbled. And then they're down. You know, you don't find out who's the best. You know, there's proof of that. What did came due to J D S after that? Then he found out who's the better fighter. They thought three times. He beat the brakes off of him. Now, I'm not saying TJ jail. Shawls absolutely one upset better Honey pseudo, but we don't know. And I'd like to see him fight at one thirty five for TJ. I never like when a guy goes down a class to compete for the belt feed. The champ. It's always going up. There's there's not a whole lot of. Ground to be gained. When when you're going down. You're the bigger guy. So it's like you have a fantasy the champ. All right, good luck ban, like the juice isn't worth the squeeze ever to me ever ever. So for TJ was a big risk worst case scenario now, you know, he lost. But he's still the champ at one thirty five. You can't do any other fight. Then Henry pseudo T, Jill shot one thirty five. Now, you have to do that TJ looked on this one of the problems when you do go down even with the proper cut, and he looked great. He's still looked very thin. Too thin thinner the normal and your brain can't deal. Don't have the same amount of moisture that have same mount cushion when you cut all that weight. So one thing that happens in a lot of guys when they cut weight is they can't take the same punches. We've seen T J dillashaw get hit before you need that shock that wasn't that hard of a shot wasn't a flush jot. But because you couldn't wait, you know, you're you're more prone to get knocked out. You're more prone to not be able to. The same shots that you took before. And we saw that and TJ has no business being at one twenty five. So all right. Henry pseudo tedious shot one thirty five I'm down for that rematch. Do that you can't do anything else. The flyweights. Listen, I love joy Bannon. This you know this. I love him best style and the game in mixed martial arts. Flyway what you're gonna do. I mean, it's over. Right. I mean, I don't know what you do with it. I'm a sizes once mighty mouse laughed. It's game. Over Henry pseudo is going to go to one thirty five. So what else are you gonna do? Do you put the rematch there? But overall despite the bullshit shenanigans with Greg hardy good night, a fights Sola, meta fights, amazing fights went great for the first years PIN, some people have problems with the PM plus stuff. It's all learning process. They'll figure it out yet. Stephen a Smith makes him appearances. I'd rather see max go in there because he does have the box and backgrounds as a little more fight background that could be cool. I don't know how he feels about that. That's max Kellerman from HBO prior boxing with Jim the league is. So I don't know. We'll see man. Those who fights those where boom yet the my current events. I miss anything. Now. Now that was good. The only difference though with the cane and does not just at least that one. There was more definitive weights. Yeah. So he's just us out. But this one this one's like, dude. He was still there. Let it go on just a little bit longer. So we know for fact, that's what I'm saying. I hated it one twenty twenty-five like, no, dude. And his he when guys are really wobbling. They're kind of it we've seen if you watch enough mixed martial arts, you see the guy kind of it. And they think the ref is the fighter and you see him do some sort of movement to the ref whether it's a single leg or the clinch or the like, you know, the not Joe was like dude back get the fucking. What are you doing? You know like that. Yeah. It's tough. Yeah. And then he was pushed the first time. So I think it'll ref saw that it was like, oh, probably hit got hit or something. I don't know it sucked. Oh, desperate Muniz retired shadow. Denver Bermuda right here. It's up that guy one v. Nice guys in the world. He he has a cooking show is YouTube cooking show. I think he's gonna do a lot outside of of the UC. He's one of those guys who always finds his way the nicest guy meant so skill to never I mean, he got ranked high fight win streak there for a while just a fucking stuntman one of the best that never get a belt, really, really quality quality person quality fighter men. Max holloway. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Right early shut out the Dennis Bermudez, man. When you check out his little statement. Oh, sure. This in the ring. Yeah. Is this your final flight? Yeah. Man. It is it is. It's pretty awesome. Here in New York. And I thought about hanging up after those four walls role, and I want my kids look back at this. And even know I went through adversity finished. We're up against the clock. But congratulations on outstanding career. My can't tunes. He's not doing. Well. Who boys do man, we're we've got back. We win. Thanks. Yeah. Shut up to him and low faker redo he's best buds with your buddy to Patrick Cummins. Yeah. I trained with him Tania. Don't rain. Yeah. Komen's is my boy Bermudez my boy with the same coach. And Ryan he's the best. Awesome. Does my guess would us yet? Art, speaking of people going up turn Woodley says he's gonna move to middleweight. I like this year. I love that Woodley. Middleweights fun, man. Woodley at middleweight give people problems thinking about Woodley middleweight, man. Woodley verse Whitaker. It's amazing. Yeah. Beat Kelvin gasoline. Correct. Yeah. I mean Kelvin's fighting for the world title. I love that. Yeah. He's going to be a problem. They're going to be a big problem. I think what you're going to see happen is your see a lot of guys go up. So you have John Jones go heavyweight you have Woodley. The welterweight champ. Go to middleweight, then you're gonna have the lightweight champion in Khabib go to welterweight, and then you can have the one forty five Jim mex- Hollywood max Holloway, go to fifty five. That'd be great Henderson. Why would champion go to bantamweight? Yeah. And then eventually T J dillashaw. He's already talking about go to federal everyone. Go up, and it starts at flyweight because they're gonna get rid of that division. And so Henry Tudor's you can go to bantamweight TJ. You didn't see you butterfly effect. Yep. Close to their war real actual weight. Great flights to all right? So this has been everywhere body, Jack. You see the cut on his head? Yes. It looked like a goddamn horn. So this is his Instagram account. And you could see how it happened is through ahead. But right there just completely incidental. Yeah. And then you can see the cut here. But there's a better video is a better video by this boxer. Fowler Bill to see the things. So as long as we credit him. So this is Anthony fellows video that. You've got check this out. It was it was a head clashed head. How crazy is that? It was it was a head clashed heads. That is so hard to even watch. So you want to be a fighter? Oh my God. Jesus crossed. Yeah. See the picture of the ref. You've seen them page ref. He's all bloody butcher. Wow. But to bone bother Jack is a big one for I would've another bummer. Sergei kovalyov. He's supposed to fight in February. I guess he's accused of punching woman in the face in June in big bear. Coke was arrested in nineteen the connection with the incident big bear, lake California. Which is a punch a woman in the face because she turned him down, Mike. He was trying to hit on her. She turned him down any punching the Felder home, and then somehow try to grab her and then punched in the face. This is just allegations. He was arrested though, TMZ reported the incident, which Kovolev was said to have met a woman at the party and up. She rejected the lady punched in the face which suffered a broken nose concussion and a discipline. His neck. This happened to us before girl is seven upsets around laws to Alvarez. Alright. Remember that? Main event promoter Kathy Duva goes to old fried said while everyone deserves to be heard. So we're gauges herbs right to clear his name in court as what he will do goes to trial mile. Yeah. So there's that. Well, I won't go to Harlem to we see what exactly zapping if that's true Jesus Christ's. Let's wait before. I just shit all over. What else we got? All right now Alvarez is taking Daniel Jacob. This ain't easy fight for canal. Oh, man, Danny Jacobs is a mother fucker. I think he beat triple g when they fought. And that you know, that was that was kind of way I thought maybe triple was getting a little older in the legs there, and Danny Jacobs who store it's phenomenal story who beat cancer came back phenomenal fighter. Big great footwork. Great movement. No one wants to fight this guy. So what's about Danny Jacobs after he beat after he lost like a? Frigging close decision to triple g which most people in the business think that he won. He thought by pun on that performance. He would get big Dame fights. And a lot of guys wanna fight him. But it did the opposite guys went holy fuck. He's really good. Why don't wanna fight this guy? So it took him a while to get these big name fights shout out to canola Alvarez for taking that fight. That is not no one wants to fight that guy. He had a very similar kind of affect that. Louise, Ortiz had were known to fight this boogeyman out of Cuba. This south ball heavyweight who's a fucking nightmare. Eventually you just have to. That's what's going on here. Get for Cannella, man. That's amazing. Awesome. Next next one. Stephen Thompson, Anthony Pettus our official too. Nice guys in the business yesterday three to ESPN plus six March twenty third. Alright awhile about that. I love that love that fight amazing fight tough fight for Pettit while these he's going up. So that's maybe another one do wanna boys a big ass welterweight to man. Yeah. What else? Darren till and he Mazda. Also, hey, Mazda, obviously is not supposed you're supposed to find Nick Diaz. But that's pretty much off. Now. So dare until he must get all. Love the fights you arena, then where's it out in London? And that's on ESPN plus get Dima ESPN bliss dam. So you got to fight night March sixteenth, then the twenty-third you got that wonderboy. Wow. And it looks like a welterweight tournament style most two and then boom trying to see what's going on with Woodley. Who's been yet? Kobe coming in because I thought there into Verster 'til but Hori Mosleh, obviously, the the the DS fight didn't work out. So yeah, that's a phenomenal fight to. I love that fight manuscripts. Those are two fucking heaters. Love it. And the co main event for that card is going to Nelson and the on Edwards. Okay. Yes. Well, ROY do yourself a welterweight tournament. I liked that fight. Awesome blow my hair back. But I love it. I love getter Nelson. All right next one is this here. Danny white says that Jessica is the next one up for Valentine's Janko the title. Okay. There's just not a lot of people as their. So she's four and five in the right? Yeah. I'm trying to think she beats she she keeps growing down chin. She beat. I just jumped her shaneco. Should we Kaufman, right? She's four and five which she's put on a little bit of a win streak. Yeah. Split to suit key that girl. Jessica rose Clark. Jesse just. All right. Well, why would you? There's I mean, there's not a lot of sure records tough man, it, you know, that there's a state of the women's division, especially for shift Janko. So all right. That's cool. Good for her, man. I'm glad you guys. Get shot rare. Anybody gets a shot at title for her? All right. A bigger one. This is just in talks right now at symbolic Boza versus Justin gateway your fucking, right. That's in Philly. That's amazing flying. Phenomenal fight to these are great fights, the pundit, gather ESPN. Yeah. Regular it's being be. Plus, I think this is regularly SPN good. Yeah. Another. Yeah. Man going along credits. Plays in Justin Willis, just most as the last one to beat marquan marks retirement fighting retirement, but his last five for you see that. Interesting. Justin, Willis, scroll down. What's he ranked? This is eight and one he just beat. All right. So I'm trying to think what he's right, but it's the rankings here. Taught. He's not top ten. He's number ten. That's interesting fight for Curtis blades. All right. I'm gonna blow my hair back. But I'll take it love Curtis blades. How about Michelle Waterson and Carolina cove, Akiva chew? I liked that ESPN two. Okay. Dan. They're just announce it all these to load up the speed. Yeah. Take that any other good ones children's at it for fights. Now, you want to see this thing that Alexander Hernandez. Yeah. Let's get Meshu afterwards. Played the one thing him talking ship. He's building the fight. Yeah. Congratulations at cowboy Sironi taught me something valuable in defeat. Perhaps the best thing that ever happened to me was a forty two second knockout debut. I go into every fight feeling on touch once in a repeat of the same currents. Prepare myself, the most prior for an execution the first round and not a fight. I need to learn to fight I need to dress. My approach brought the fight to throw and where he made Justice. I did not experience is a costly bitch. I hear you brother. Thank you everyone. The ac- for up to believe me. I will not let us go in vain triumphant versus what makes a man defines legends. Well, put I will be back. You know? I mean what I say next time. You see me this? Good pain. That's cool. Yeah. I mean, he got a humble pie in the in the form of a face kick. You know, nothing will help you more than fighting nothing in this world. It's weird. He smoked thrown in the first round though. Very strange. What else you got Jim? I got this. So Anthony, Joshua. According to Eddie Hearn, he might take on. Not joshua. I'm sorry. Not Yati Walder or Tyson fury. It's going well Miller. Yeah. Let me tell you what's going down there. So you're gonna get Deontay wilder in. I don't I don't have any hot inside information a little bit anyways. So you're going to get a scroll backup. Jan you're gonna get Deontay wilder verse Tyson fury rematch into nineteen. And then you say man, I wonder why because Eddie Hearn offered Tyson fury the most lamest offered by anti Josh of all time. No one's gonna take it. So so you're going to hear him say, dude, we made the offer. But it's so insulting that they know. No one's gonna take it. But what they do is covered their ass 'cause the backlash that Eddie Hearn's should be getting for mishandling, th-they Joshua's insane. He's fucking up his career because they're making these childish immature offers to DeLeon white stealing white about it. Ask stealing white about this Delia white from my sources. Called espinosa. It was like dude Eddie Hearn's told me, I'm only worth this much. Is this true in that I fucked now what are you talking about? So they the they want dealing white. But they made him such a horrible offer that I won't even repeat that because he gave away my sources. It's the most embarrassing offer that he was like, I'm not fighting him for that. What the fuck? And so what they're doing is to protect their golden goose they're going. Well, we made the offer a fury we made the offer to wilder. There's a notice there's a reoccurring theme. Man. There's one only one common denominator. It's Eddie earned. There's only one reason why anti jobs not fighting the guys you wanted to fight steady hurt the worst promoter in the world. And he's covering at the Joshua. When everyone else is fighting each other everyone else is doing everyone else stock notice everyone else's stock is going like this Joshua's going like this. And it's not because Josh was not amazing fighter or amazing personality or the best heavyweight in the world. That's his parameter. He's fucking them. And now he's fucking I'm because not only does he provide fight for design but fucking up everything else. So what do you get it anti-drugs drill? Miller in New York. That's no not gone Miller. But. We wanna see him fight the big boys. Everyone else fighting the big boys. Doing why did his work ties? Very dumpty. Water did his work did their work knowing only one guy's not. And I'm in in this is an anti Joshua problem. This Eddie Hearn prom. This is the mishandling of the best heavyweight on the planet. More likely than not. That's what's going on here this in this is an Anthony Joshua isn't him going. Why I don't wanna fight fight Tyson fury. I don't know if I'd dealing white again. This is behind the scenes Eddie Hearn going. Hey, I'll give you fifty bucks five. Josh what the fifty dollars not that little bit Trump saying it's just such a slap in the face. It's complete mishandle of empty Joshua. It's embarrassing. But guess what? No one's waiting you. More people trying to watch Diatta watertight severe. Now, the nasty Joshua more people on C wild or do his thing. Watters the most famous have it in the world now hands down, but anyone who wants to argue that bring it on. I will shit all over you by far fury is the most famous heavyweight fighter walk in there. Right now, you're have Joshua fury fury. Yeah. Tyson fury is the most famous heavyweight on the planet. And there's speculation probably the best to most loved to bet. Most love he's out there with his problems. He's not running from anyone. He took two years off GOP to four hundred pounds then to to bullshit warm up fights. And then gives you the fight of a lifetime against Yanti wilder. Not scared. No one's no one's making. Sure. He's getting these winds and taking three years to come back and fight in the right proper steps to make sure he looks good. No fighting the fight business. What are you doing any here and get your head out of your ass? You're fucking up Anthony Joshua. And again, anti Joshua would fight water and ties fearing the same night. This is not anti Joshua prompt said Eddie Hearn prime. He's what's wrong with boxing. It's ridiculous. What else you got? I got this creep says the last three people he would wanna fight before retiring oh year to submission radio is Tony Ferguson shorts saint-pierre and Floyd may. I'm sorry. Is this for him is him. God. I know what else yet? I wanted me acknowledges. What else you we've got one more last one that? I think is funny. So have you seen the new you've seen the new you seatbelt? Right. It's so bad people are saying, it's really really bad. It's getting roasted on the internet. It's so bad. Why? But I mean, some people say it's nice, but I would say the vast majority don't like it did dodge bake this. They said it Dodge Ram go. You know, what we need a belt that looks like our truck that what what is this? I just so strange to me. I thought the Las belt was perfect. The most one that we just had was perfect. It was good. I don't know if perfect is pretty fucking close though. It's great. But that's hilarious. But out of you have. How how's it work? I. Like when you when you pitch a new belt, don't you take a survey of the office? Isn't there anyone under fifty who thought? This was a bad idea. Is it is it budget cuts? I thought they were worth a shitload of money. What look at that belt on the left. It's so sick love it the one on the right? So sad. That looks like a belt that you would buy at WalMart or like a king king super for your kid just to fuck around with that my belt that I give to the fire. Kidde guests beat that easily. Damn it. But the employee's don't speak up there data do what they want. That's what you get when someone's out of touch with. What's fucking cool? That's what you get. Do. You think after time it will sink in? Nope. No, it's disappointing. I'm just sitting there showing, but they they're so stuck in their ways. They won't listen the fans, and that's what you just get that from now on instead of the dope ass one on the left. Maybe it's a budget cut thing or maybe maybe more because there's diamonds in it. I don't know. I think it does cost more. But at doesn't national. Let's ring ring. That's what what that makes total sense. If you didn't give us Greg hardy as come around SPN that make that makes complete set. Oh, you went with that belt. Off course you did. Yeah. Let's go, man. All employees, get sketchers to and Tommy Bahama shirts. The fuck out of here. That's embarrassing. What else you got? That's for Currence by the champ. I create my own belt. I think they then just make my own out that looks just like that one. Yeah. Max Holloway saying like give us the belts and give us rings like NFL? Greetings, would be cool. Yeah. I think boxer does that to have you done. Pretty sure you get a ring to maybe that's old school. Maybe. Jim, install you know, how you get a new bell each win the championship. Now, there's install Jim like into the belt. Just a single extra. Jim saying you have nine title offenses, get nine belts. They just put a little gym as frigging lame to then damn budget cuts are real. Much buddy cutters post by here's like, whether she's courage. Like you like it goes all like it. Yeah. It's it's embarrassing, man. I how do you not feel the temperature? Like if you brought an here, let's say there's there's four guys in the room right now. And I was like two I think his belt, and if I think it's cool but three like two that's just not it. I'd like you've really why listening? All right, man. We're trying to make some changes, even though if I think it's cool. I would have to see that thing in person. Now, I'm good look any different chin. Don't back. Don't be a pussy on it. I got a shitty. I just I just want to before I like completely. But I don't think he looks good at all. But I mean, I want to give it a chance. I don't know. We don't have to go to the belt, not a human. I know but still. What do you got here? You got Keith urban fighting Josie seato Lopez WBA super world welterweight title. And that is on FOX Barclay center. Brooklyn, New York. Okay. Okay. It keeps fought in over two years. Great guy. Phenomenal talent hopefully comes back and looks great. I watched the Bill to it on FOX keeps Thurman should smoke this guy. Okay. It is what this boxer for you. Call. We got awesome fight coming on the twenty sixth fellow tar to one four is that the Saturday. Yeah. I think Mr. Joe Rogan, I can do a fight campaign for this. And not go to Scott Coker, which I think actually helps you more. So we won't be a ten in the event, but my own fight companion for this. Hell, yeah. So you got fate or verse Ryan Bater Aaron PICO who is v best prospect in mixed martial arts fall time. Maybe they got Jake Hager. The former. Jack swagger, Jack swagger, who is the professional wrestler making his debut. However side note is not a punk situation. He has a ridiculous Amtra wrestling background from UCLA Oklahoma, which is everything in this everything that's a huge caveat there. It's not like the other w w guys fighting. It's more thinking more like Brock Leser has a serious amateur background. I don't need hope bile chin. Yeah. Then. There you go. I mean, those are the major ones, you know. So. Fatal verse Ryan Bater. This fight is intriguing to me baiter can become champ champ here baiter, if you guys remember go back this podcast was my dark horse to win this whole thing. I think him getting by metro own was everything he starched fuck in Mola wall in the first round. He looks phenomenal. Is I his debut fight. He beat Phil Davis. He hasn't had any easy fight at all in bell tower, and he's kind of found his own. This is Ryan Bater, man. You looked at one of the best light heavyweights heavyweights in the world. He I do think he becomes double champ champ. I think. Yeah. Cheap TKO's fade or and I will say in the second round. I think the obviously, and you guys know this the only way fater wins V starches them in the first minute. And we saw that with with chill. He comes out hot up the blocks because as it goes longer. It doesn't end well for him. So. You know, really fatal or starched by Mitchell own that was a close fight other than that. He put a pretty good win record together. Now, did he beat Fabian mouth DeNardo? No. He did not. But they said he did it was in Russia, and it was kind of suspect. So I think better gets done. I think t- TKO's them I'll say late in the second round. I think you survive the onslaught I think he controls fate or against the cage early in the round. So you can avoid the big punches. Eventually does get them down does work, and they stop it. It's it's not a exciting stoppage. He's just hit him in the rest. Like, all right. That's enough at the fucking legend fade or get off of them. And that's how they think goes Aaron PICO I'll say another knockout via body shot. He's one of my favorite fighters to watch is an absolute fucking animal. And yeah, there you go man, I'm excited for those fights. That's actually a really good. And then I think our boy swagger gets it done as well. I'll say in the first round, it's a solid car ban rarely really solid card. Nice. That it. That's it. All right, man. We do some question house good. Let's jump out into it. All righty. Then you want me to start a year's start. It's up to you. I'll start with the. At damn. I'm good three sixty five feel like we've answered one hits his before somebody's. I remember that name. Hey, Brendan wife, and I were at your special. You were awesome. Thank you, sir. Thanks for coming. Congrats mate. My question is what did you think of? Yes. PIN having Stephen a Smith commentating on the fights. It was like McKenzie Dern trying to tell us how to meal prep. Stay on invaded y'all. Yeesh? I like Stephen a Smith. I know a lot of people don't like Stephen Smith, his basketball knowledge is phenomenal. He just pretty good with boxing too. You know, so. I think it's more of you know, he's the face of ESPN is highest paid guide ESPN. And I think they just want the SPN fans be familiar with you know, the kind of production of things so haven't seen threat to was there for that. He was at their to breakdown TJ dillashaw. Also who go there's trying to include him to welcome the the UFC to the family. That's all that is. So I don't think I'm not looking for him to blow by mind with analyst or who we think's gonna win or why the sky loss or how the fighter looks or any of that stuff. If you're looking for that then. Yeah, you're gonna be pissed. I actually get him as a character. He's doing a cameo. You're watching your favorite movie or whatever. And there's a cameo of a guy recognize in your familiar with them. That's all it is. So I don't have a problem with it. And he also a lot of times he deferred to DC. That's a question for the expert DC. So I liked that he goes not so out of control where he's chime in on those things. So I like Stephen Smith. I like those guys. But I hear you. I can see why against upset at Seth on score. Tutor? Why is TJ such a sore? Loser. Well, I think you know, this one you would be upset to imagining training for how many weeks and come down to one twenty five and eating a fucking croutons for last seven days, and then you know, it stopped prematurely. I think the majority of people think that including the owner, you have see so, yeah, you're gonna be very very upset because when you're fighting for a belt a double champ champ status. You're talking about a legacy fight, and that's going to go down in history forever. So it's going to take a kind of a hit to your legacy. So that's why he's such a sore. Loser. In this case, which is completely understandable. Katri one-two-three five are you ever scared to be alone with chin blinked twice into the cameras if yes? K at daily dot insomnia. Who was more salty from the loss Brunner or T J dillashaw Browner because Brunner doesn't really have a case and he's threatened to beat up Nance, Jim Nance? So I thought that was strange, and he definitely lost the fight. He fought. Like, you always doesn't big fights shit the bed. So he really doesn't have a reason be salty. Here's way, more salty dill dill Shaw us just like more shocked and just like what the fuck man on believable. How the fuck does happen early stoppage. He was the favorite to win the fight browner's way. More salty de make sense. It was a nightmare. At decline underscores sands is page van Zandt more of a challenge for shift Janko than just got. I would love to see that fight. Yes. You know, there's argument where she could have the opportunity over just guy. However, just guy has won three in a row. She's been more active page just got her win over Rachel ostrich. So I'm sure pages. Fall spy one away. But you know, I don't know if either and beach Janko at all. At Dr docto Burberry hilarious besides nerves. Forget any of your bits. What was the one thing? You're most nervous about right before filming your special. Same thing before. I do any set with us to the comedy store improv or wherever I'm at usca. She thought oh, that's a question of K. We'll get to hurry up. Same thing. Always always. I don't think you know. What's gonna laugh every time a grad? I think I'm gonna bum. But he got the first one is just this one since she saw it already t- underscore a underscore. I underscore eighty to help fine is REI Lipsky. She fought JoAnne Calderwood on that card. Let me see this picture said all and she lost. She lost. What does she do? Besides come down from the heavens to entertain us with. She looks like an actual model like a she's supermodel gorgeous. Wow. Why she she she's Brazilian? Yeah. Jesus. Crime ity show is gorgeous Bemis. Yes. Holy fuck. Wow. Thank you for educating me. I I was not familiar with. Wow. We and her nickname is the violence Queen the violence Queen the dime piece machine. That's her getting punch. Joann? She lost. Yeah. Got damage on. God damnit Calderwood we trying to do. Shout out to that dime dime. There's getting more and more diamonds aren't there? Yeah. Jesus christ. Yes. She might be. She's definitely first team to she beat Rachel NFC in person. Probably not Rachel still numerous know. She's up there though. Have you seen this chick? Her name is Valerie Laredo, I think she finds for Baltimore. Yeah. She I think this one is probably the hottest out of all the girls. Holy fuck. Can go the pictures where she's not wearing g go be less obvious about being gay. Oh, wow. Hey, man. No. There's actually better ones here. Like right there. I mean, she's a smoke hole show. Fuck. Yeah. She's hot keep going. To cheese Regan's gorgeous. Well there that's her. Here's a video of her on the right, go their shiny pants. Was that girl? Yes. The camera banking. Oh shit. I don't know. But they're all looking like models Christ. Okay. Olympic style like wanna fighter model actress broadcasts get for her Jesus. All right. What else get hard? Joe underscore fan. Sixty six was Henry who does stunt with the snake that cringes of all time. Did you see this part during ends? I've seen cringes. It wasn't going at all. It's on his nature of tough. What else you got? All right. These are from void, Dan, T R. Boy boy, Dan. Oh, gotcha. The guy's name. This is t- plash. How did you like how utilize Trevor Wittman was? I liked the sideline reporter style. So Trevor Wittman spoke on the sidelines. Yeah. Insider Trevor Wittman knows the game stand up only though. So with his boxing expertise and stuff like that. He's a monster tra- Whitman's the one who brought me into the game and taught me everything I know Shane carwin helped the GS p. Frickin? I mean, you name it any of these guys. He's coached world champion, boxers everybody everybody, and yeah, he's a great guy. And I love him on their great addition. Hope they keep them around. But she got. All right. Charlie. Joy. Would you get a tattoo to commemorate your first special for sure a million tattoo because I saw all my shows in Dublin and Chit has the same. Yeah. Says my brother, where's yours at chin? Former brother has it Jim wanted to get neck. Did I really did? Like, oh, that's like, oh, I can have make up the cover. It's not a big deal make going on set. Now. I'm just saying like if I had to go somewhere. I guess I definitely would. I'd love some ideas. I don't know. What what what do you get? What would you get your shoe? I'm kidding. Actually. That'd be pretty cool. Pretty cool too. Yeah. Do you have any color tattoos? I don't do conductor. Shoe shoe dope. What tiger to the tiger on it? That's not a bad idea. That'd be better be a fucking good asset to detail. The shoe? That's a good one chin semi deals for dope tattoo for for my first comedy special. Don't give me any Mike's know Mike's. I'm not L cool j all right? Give me some ideas. I'll definitely do it record it for guess what else? You got Patrick on a score mad and thirteen Dana said to get this hottest girl off the. Why are they so hot all of a sudden what the fuck is happening right now. She is Redick use. Yes. She's super guard tan mover and his belt are thank you. All right. Patrick this. We get. I don't know. I see your name. I don't think. So Valerie, my best few dozen. It's probably better if she's not knowing right? Yeah. All right. All right. Why are you said the tag are the the name? So Dana said he wouldn't rule out Connor cowboy in Ireland happening there or in Vegas in Ireland in Ireland. Yup. See it happening on. It's happening. Sweet. You wanted to more. Sure rod are six three four two. Was it? The worst idea in the world for Rachel to have her. Mom, dad and brother enter corner. No, no. I don't think it's the worst idea. I I don't know how they do. Her battle is bigger than beating page van Sant. Her battle was getting over this horrible domestic violence situation and being surrounded by support of her family and friends and making it to the event the winner lost it matter here, it's your overcoming this. And that's the story. Tell and that's, you know, proven her kid they can get over these negative things. Even though it's the worst thing in the world and continue to pick yourself up and fight in real life. And in metaphor, you know, so that's the message, and that's why she should be the face of women's fighting in Reebok. That's why Chevy deal with him. Awesome. That's it. I thank you guys for listening. As always the show keeps growing thing for subscribing retweeting. Sending fan questions. You guys are the absolute fuck in best. I love you guys. And I tell you guys the support I got for the Showtime special and it hasn't even aired yet. Spreading the guys keep asking I can't pick this Frank questions. One is going to air. I'm hurt. I'm being told March March or April they're trying to figure out when to do it. So as soon as I know, you guys will know, but the amount of love and support I received through social media from the fans all around the world. I cannot think you guys enough. It means the world to me. I see it the if I get back on the DM's I'm trying and I'll do my best to get back to you. But I see them. And I absolutely love guys. Those were the best crowds ever, STAN Ovation's again, guys almost made me cry. And I love you guys. I absolutely fucking love you that means the world to me. And I can't think enough so thanks for listening. This shows only getting better when the new studio get the new team here. It's. Great, man. Things are great. I love you guys think for listing thing for tuna. And thank you to everybody who ever bought a goddamn ticket to my stand up and. We're just can started in the end, which started hopefully, this is more comedy specials to come. And I love you guys. And till next time. I'm Brennan Shaab. I'm out.

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Episode 122: UFC 235 Jones vs Smith (RECAP)  & Lewis vs Dos Santos

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Episode 122: UFC 235 Jones vs Smith (RECAP) & Lewis vs Dos Santos

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Does the brilliant idiots podcast was Charlemagne, which I'm sure you've you are aware of and he was in town doing shows, and he asked me to do a spot on his sold out shows at the comedy store. I did that rogue made a guest appearance does a fun night really fun night. You have the fun week last week. We also did I think that come out in the next two weeks? We did a food drug diary with Francis in Ghana, and I post the picture on my Instagram and Francis looks nine feet tall. Yeah. He was trying to hell even Christie Lee is like dude how tall that fucking guy. Little info for you there. So when we got done eating we we had. Pastas. Delicious broke my diet for this. So we had pasta food truck, pasta amazing pasta. But we were on like curb that you know, how when you go to park the curb goes down. So you can come into fuck up the bumper. Well, as it goes up when we originally took the picture, I was standing so I was taller than him. And he goes, oh, no, no, no. Let's you you you're stand there. Let's go down here. I know you stand here. So I look tiny dude that's move the internet's it's gonna freak out because you're gonna look JiJi. It's going to build your kind of mystique my man because everyone thinks you're enormous which she is. But he's not like in person. He's not like. He's not like, you know, like a Brock or something even brought not that impressive in per now. You're just like, oh because he is kind of smaller legs. And he's not that tall. You say. Okay. I'm trying to think of someone that you see impression like what like you've seen the mountain from game with thrones. You're like, well, you're the biggest human being EV EV you see a basketball player like surrogate your dick out of my face like so big Francis. In one of those guys he's not one of those guys. And if you see certain like wide receivers in the NFL Jesus crisis. Big dude, France, just like, okay? Maybe it's because I think there's kind of this mythical spectrum to be huge. I've seen a few times. So I, you know, did you do you think he was enormous? That's what they keep saying that when saying his hands. Yeah. I guess yet. Nothing like, I don't think anything out of the ordinary. Who's a good guest though? It's I'm excited because see this one call. So we did that with a Friday or is that Thursday Thursday show Francis on Thursday flew in town for that. And then the that Tuesday we had the one championship crew in and we all played Mario Kart that drops this week Meyer cart with those boys. And I'm sure many of you can guess who one obvious Eddie Alvarez. Sage north cut. And Dimitrius Johnson and myself. Mean you can't diminish. No, you don't know who fashionable did you gamer, but it's fun, man. Definitely a different view cool vibe won championships. Doing some some moves, man. I'll see they're they own the market out on the east side of the world. They fuck in on that market. But when it comes to America, they do not own it. So they're trying to own it. And that's why they signed the likes of all these dudes. And it's just some interesting stuff and all them are great. The three of them were great together that drops this week. Yeah. So that was all last week, man. I finally broke down and got a new iphone the low resistance for quite some time now at seven plus and even apples emitted this where they throw bugs into your phone like my emails weren't opening. And then I get in my car. I couldn't listen to podcasts. Antique phone call. Like, there's all these weird. If slower slower shut down automatically like come on apple Jesus Christ. How much money do you need? What are you doing? When I couldn't when I couldn't so and then there's the sound stopped working. So I went off I was getting taxed calls and wanted to answer. It would have to be on speaker, and Yvonne speaker people can hear it was super shades. I don't know what the hell happened. I've been the update. But either way they screwed me over. So my guy fine. I'll do it. So you go t mobile there has got shot up to the guys only the phone 'cause I know he listens. The show. It's not you man. Bye show on T mobile. It's not you. It's the company it just takes so long to get a new phone. I mean, I got there at eleven I walked out at twelve thirty ninety minutes, bro ninety minutes. I mean, it's so it's such a hassle. There has been easier to do this. They're absolutely has. I remember those commercial where they even addressed that. We're like getting a new phone is it really that complicated that bigger deal. Yeah. It is. Yeah. It really is. It really is. And also is only to workers and T mobile. One dude was or I'm sorry, one lady was helping this guy who's what whatever trying to connect to his ipad, some shit the worst questions while time for surfer got your house, whatever he's there. So she's busy my guy. Helping me get my new phone and transplant on the shit's helping me there's three other customers waiting guess what? They don't get help to the they're done with me and homeboys asking the dumb ass questions. They were waiting ninety minutes ninety minutes. And then I was like, wait. This long is three ladies. I'm like I've got to find out what the fuck. She's way ninety minutes four. She got to the front goes Trump pay my Bill. Only I want you can play you can pay them. He could pay online pit done on your phone that you you know, what you deserved wait a minute. You deserve. It. You deserve it. God damn. It's frustrating. New phone, man. Frustrating. Cool phone get whatever the fuck. It is though the ex boot's the one up from ex max world max excess some shit. I don't know. It was like the camera on it. Yeah. Takes it. Looks exactly the same that excess. Looks exactly the same. And then just out of pride they go. We'll buy your old phone back from you. Cool. These bitches go hundred twenty five dollars when you're at your goddamn mind. What he goes where you can do without you. I'm just gonna leave it in my car. I'm not gonna give it to you hundred twenty five dollars just out of pure pride. You ain't gin this phone back front twenty five dollars. How about that? How about them apples? How about them apples? No pun, intended dot. It's a beef get a new phone, man. Fucking nightmare. Remember, all your code your passwords. I don't know. I don't fuck in. No man, because they say don't have the same password for all your shit, whatever they get hacked clearly chin has the same path know, everything whatever was soon as you get hacked people start posting dick pic. Yeah. Tell me how that goes, bro. Took my son mean him went to how to train your dragon three. Did you see one or two chin? I didn't you've never seen any of those damn, bro. People on here seen it. No. Oh my God. Really popular movies. All right. I guess it used to be a little weird. You fortyish flag. But it's a solid movie. Like, it's definitely a move. You know, there's a few movies that I have to sit through our show TV shows with my son. He's three years old, by the way, where you're like oh, God damn some kitty shit, but how to train your dragon like this is for everyone solid movie my son fell asleep. So I watched it by myself and. It's not really a spoiled. Well spoiler alert ish at the end. Some happens with the dude and the dragon whether you've got to kind of go their separate ways and kids were pissed dude. It was like I was in passionate the Christ from my grandma day were passed these kids like no, no this until this little girl at calmed down. She was crying. I was like, wow. This is ridiculous. It was awesome. Yeah. It's all passionate Christ's my grandma. She cried the entire time. Just. I'm like bitch. You need to calm down. I can't hear a thing. A thing going give balls deep in those red vines and shut your mouth. She was crying V as soon as he hit the screen. She started crying. She's just as a vicious. Uber lidge. Uber religious. She wanted me grow my beard outside with more like visas richer at your goddamn mine. Read a bug. Yes. Great the tired time. But that's what these kids were doing in. How to train your dragon does said I'll give you that Jennifer can said. Kennesaw. My son could give two shits fell asleep was like whatever, bro. Whatever miss the kids freaking out. No, one of my favorite times of the year sapped in right now, it's the NFL combine baby c NFL combine. And there is an absolute there's two freaks is the kid from Mississippi State the receiver. He's been all around you see him. I retweeted this forget his name. He is such a fucking monster Metcalf. His name sounds like you create them in tech Tecmo SuperBowl. Like if you create a I'm out player named Jay Jackson and all his hundred percent. Everything was one hundred percent hundred percent. That's what this kid is his name is ridiculous but Mississippi State freak receiver freak receiver. Yeah. That's going to pop up four shirts in. D k Metcalf this week that's out. There you go. He's an ethnic freak at the combine now. But I do have skip skeptical hip wise because click on that don't do. Baltimore ravens. That'd be weird. Go to. We'll get to that. Freak linemen necks. So click on this on the be able to go back so draft prospect, turn F. Oh, come on. Yeah. That's fine. Now, that's the that's the linemen we start him. So this this defense alignment scroll down this defense alignment on ads. Pop up pop ups check this out. So he had the fastest forty time at a four four one which is in fuck insane. And just so for references that beats your boy Beckham junior for the giants. It beats a shitload of and he's a defensive line and keep scrolling down. It says they'll the half form complete bub-bubba. Now, this one can assert up scroll down just a tad right there. Stop. Yeah. Mississippi State defense alignment Montas. Sweat runs a drill then fill scouting combine. Yeah. He's a defensive lineman in ran that it's in there's the biggest free to in the world, man. And they're getting faster. They're getting bigger. Look at that fastest forty times out of linemen and there's all four five four six four five four four four six. It's silly. It's nuts 'cause back in the day. Like a guy back in the gay the back in the gay. Back in the day, a guy like Sean Maher man, who's an absolute freak round like a four six seven or four six hundred for you. It was freaking out. Now. He's just a he's just to do this. I mean, he wouldn't be in the top was that fifteen then it's insane outgassing bigger and faster. But yeah that that kid if you go back to that Metcalf. The I think they so they give all the stats on this. We gotta have skeptical hippies. And they go in to I think this is one point eight percent body fat less than two percent by well, that's a lie that come on. I'm all about exaggerating and making guys seem better than what than they are. But that's just that's not that's not real. That's not real. So he's two hundred thirty pounds. He ran the forty in a four three a two hundred thirty pounds and had a vertical leap of forty and a half inches. He's a fucking freak man. He six three. Twenty seven reps on the bench Renzo of David Boston will bit because remember that day from Ohio State keeps growing down there. He is very is on the right. Shred city, y'all definitely treaded cicis ity. Freak man. You have. They said one point eight percent body fat lists two percent. That's that's not real. That's a lie. And no one's walking the earth at that. Today are not doing well. But whatever. I couldn't help. But every year, and I have to do it because I'm weird because it's back in the gay. Back in the day is when. I think the NFL calm when that big dude was running the forty yard dash in his dick came out. Can you bring up Jenn? It's my favorite every year after hit that if year IDC that every early March NEC's video for as long as I live during my funeral. They should play this like in. We know this made him smile this yet Chris Jones, oh, this is actual video. What does he do fuck out once they own a make my Monday, I wanna make everybody's Monday just for. So this is the biggest moment his life right de identify. He has run its fast he can for forty yards. Now think about that. And he's a big defensive lineman in tights and his fat dick up front, and then he falls now much here doesn't look like much turf. Burn on your cock right there on the front. They'll look. Would you see in slow motion? And he tells the coach my dick fill out. Okay. He doesn't know what to do. Now. What's a slow motion. Look at a moving moving move. This shows the bad video. Well, it's running flopping. It's this like, boom, boom, boom. Like a limb. Mike, oh my gosh. Godman? Run high school. It's. So. God, this is crazy this the greatest of all, I don't know. What it makes you laugh? It's just like tips. The big swells your life, and your friend trying your best to make on your dick goes not today. So you didn't wear underwear. Then. Right. He must not want or you're in you're in spandex. So so to run the forty most guys you you don't want anything to like slow you down. So you don't wear any baggy clothes. So those spandex ipad shorts when he does the best of the drills. So he had the spandex and nothing her knee because he had shorts on before that. Don't take these off to run the forty and his dick plops out. How you the coach, dude? My dick village. I don't know what to tell him. My dick fill out. Then they'll the one of the other highlights is that you mask you that free quite receiver when our team's gonna learn that that fricking that the reliable small speedy white dude who catches every ball is a huge asset where sewing in ADR fuck and draft that can the first round it. We all know that works out. You look at Nelson. You look at Eshelman you'll get free and Wes Welker Dax him, man. That's like can him, but they wait and they draft like the fourth round. And then they become these huge frickin key assets to the team the small white is reliable shit. But they just wait to the fourth fifth round draft. Like in the first round, you know, reliable shit don't know football on fuck it. Bucket. We'll go. We'll do it live. Yemen. Good week great week. I got this right now, you're below the belt fire and the kid with Brian the kid coun-, the wonderful breath count. Now, yet Rogan lot of talk and going on today. Lots of talking lot of podcasts podcasts on podcast, man. Podcasts on podcast. I you'll see two thirty four or thirty to thirty five. You'll see two thirty four or action -joyed the shit out of this paper view. I love this pay per view from top to bottom. I thought it was entertaining. I know some people are like, oh, we're speaking you've ever shut your traps. I really really enjoyed it. And I'll get into it. Why you know, even with the with the prelims with on ESPN Diego. Sanchez Mickey gall. We learn Mickey goal has some huge gaping holes. I think we knew it. He doesn't have a ton of experience. Just the way he was his striking in the ways London and stuff like that. And Diego Sanchez ended up, you know, doing work doing work Makiko got tired at the pretty big step back from Mickey goal. Even though if Diego Sanchez, we all love them Sanchez is seventy five years old and fight years. He's older gap, man. So that was supposed to be kind of a. Stepping quote unquote steppingstone for Mickey gall. But when he lose one like that, that's and he was even really close in that fight that was he was just outclassed. So he has some work to do go back to drone board and how about mother fucking Johnny Walker. What's the hell is contiguous man? What I was grilling burgers. I see him go. Let's get it on I've sprit 'cause you never know with this, dude. I sprint from my backyard. I fuck in make it I'm like what's happening right now. No one else is around. They're all talk, and blah, blah. And then this knee from frigging Brazil kick do show like what fuck man, he so athletic. Everybody beat the. Yeah. But we didn't give them a grant. We need him. Like a guy who's tough durable. Let's see what happens. There will miss. You're supposed to be that guy. And that lasted thirty six seconds. Johnny walker's. Biggest problem is not injuring his fucking body while celebrating from starch ING dudes to good problem to have. But also, let's chill out on the worms and slamming into the mat, let's not do that Johnny walkers real problem in sue breath. Letting not the best on the Mike not the best on the Mike has some work to do there. You know, I think maybe there's a language barrier to be a big reason. Even even that, it's tough. I think he did say I'm going I love Disneyland. It's I'm going to Disneyland with what you said. I love you. Mickey mouse. Tag creepy tad. Michael Jackson ish there. Do you want to the Michael Jackson documentary? Now yet, I heard it's terrible for him. So here's the argue back here with Michael Jackson dock. My only I'm on the fence. I'm on the fence with the whole like there's never been any proof that he's touched a little boys. Right. Like, there's no proof. There's not there's no real hardcore evidence. There's a ton of smoke. There's a ton of smoking gummy bears round round his crib where the kids hit out and shit like that. But we don't have any physical proof. No video and it's not R Kelly situation where we have video and it's time after time. There's none of that. Right. Plus the two guys who are in this documentary try doing this before. So it's a little shady, they're when you watch the documentary. I don't know if the case of Michael Jackson, having some sort of mental disease where he missed his childhood. So he's trying to embrace that and go back to that. And they say he's just like balls deep and being a kid like he like he lost his childhood. He had terrible father that made him fucking dance. Non. Stop and travel the world in Crimea river cry. You know, didn't do all that stuff. However, he missed his whole childhood. So they say Michael like inside was a nine year old. He when he met a little boy in this is so weird to say, we met a little boy he wanted to kick it. He wanted to fuck in drink slurpy have sleepovers because he missed all that. So he mentally inside wanted. He missed out on it. So he's always trying to kind of bring that back. That's where never land in. He's kind of lived in that weird world and changed his face. And I don't know if it's a mental kind of. It'll situation if that's the case or 'cause when you hear these guys talking like Jesus, it's it is not good. And what's crazy is his house off Hayvenhurst? I drive by on my way to work all the time. When in the documentary, he goes, yeah. I I lived here having I'm like, why does that name sound familiar? I looked upstream like oh shit. Oh shit. Oh shit. I find that. Interesting. The whole thing. I will say this with your mic Mike fan or not. It's interesting. It does paint them in a very creepy light. Specially the pictures, especially the way these guys tell the story they might just be good actors. I don't know if Jesse small case where you get. I even though he's a good actor. You could smell bullshit from so far away with these guys. I don't know, man. I don't know if the money play, I don't know the slandering HBO's getting sued the fuck out for this one hundred million dollars because they signed disclose his estate right when they granted him access to the Neverland ranch. I don't know what it is. But. Is it a is it a is it a case of these guys looking for money and Mike Jackson's obviously gone, so he can't defend himself, and he's just so famous and had this mental illness where he wanted to be, you know, a child again is it that or was he fucking sucking off little boys molested them. You know steer. I see that that he seems like he wants to be a kid whenever I watched them on TV. It seems like he has like a really young kind of personality. He missed all that. And then, you know, he he suffers from some horrible mental illness. I think I don't know, man. I wish I knew. But what here here's what the real bummer is. And we've seen this. So is it these guys just jumping on top. And right right now, the whole metoo movement in the Kevin Spacey, and the jussie smollet all this right now they're trying to jump on in climb on board on that. And this is now the perfect time to kind of expose all this even though if it's not true because we're so because you're you're guilty until proven innocent. Yeah. So. Michael Jackson's fucked when it comes to that. But when you watch it like, you there's you could not get get away with it today. Like Poos huge artists. Bruno Mars, let's say Bruno Mars was concert on TV with a little boy. That's not his. Yeah. Everyone in the world. Like what the fuck are you doing with that kid? Just my buddy. They'll fuck is your buddy your, buddy. Yeah. We like hangs out and sleeps over the fuck. He does those thing is the parents the pay you gotta take some sort of fucking responsibility. Here. If Bruno Mars assistant called my house said yo we want tiger to come over and to fuck and Brougham Mars house. He wants to hang out with them. I'd say you're out. You're god. Damn I might wanna fuck and hang on my son. What's wrong with you? Now man get a friend now hanging on my kid. If he goes Bruno Mars want your son to come on tour with him. Absolutely. Not for what there's no the kitchen get for. Why it man the parents like it's Michael Jackson. So we. Got there. We're in hotels, and he covered everything. And then you know, they want to sleep in the same room together because they're best friends locked up. Fuck you talking about. He'd come to the house. Brutal. Mosque dots on doors. Do just hit a sea. Tiger hanging out. Excuse me to love you music. Get the fuck off my doorstep hanging out. What's wrong with you know, there's no red flags. He was just you know, he's they're really good friends yet. But he's thirty your kids Safran. Fuck the smoke everywhere here. Now, again, I don't have to mental disease or if he's just into little boys or both here the story like God. Dude. Parents from other doctor wash all the parents from fuck in what in plain sight is the parents from in plain sight are the worst parents of all time, they should they should have that as a PA fuck in a video. They show of just how not to be a shitty parent, though, the parents from plain sight make fuck in Michael Jackson's dad, look like fucking Tim Allen from who's the from home improvement yet tool time improvement. Yeah. Yeah. This show on it. Yeah. But I mean, you were you're around and you saw that stuff on the news back in the day. Right. When my kids around so I just thought he had like here. Like everyone else. I just thought I had like they're just trying to help kids out and shit. That's what I thought too. I think just today's different today. You couldn't get away with it. You could not know. Now, we know weird. Let's say George Clooney always had some random kid around with them everyone in the world like the fuck is going on with that kid and for moms like it's so weird. He just had to liking to my son. And he takes them all over the world. Skews me have you own kids. Yeah. Joe kids. The fuck you doing? It is strange, but it is not doing Michael in the picture that they have him and homeboys bed and semi valley. He's just like all creepy in his bed. If God dog might you take picture, then the creepiest thing is they do a homeboy. He took him all over. They he did it because Michael Jackson. We're going to do interviews. And he's like they're on the plane is private jet probably with his pants off. Anyway, he goes, you know, I'll let you interview you talk like I'll let you interview. So you hear this seminal kids like what's your favorite part about traffic around? And he's all well, my my favorite part is being with you Jimmy being with you and trauma around. You're my best friend, and you know, out of all the Pepsi commercials. Yours is the best. It's like, oh fuck you can tell they're definitely into each other the other thing that's strange is the details that homeboy gives how they'd hold hands all the time, and they would rub each other's poems. Now thinking of each other my God, damn that is a detail son. Detail again, where's your dad? We're the fuck was pops. Because I tell you right now. My girl takes my son Disneyland. She's like dude, you won't believe it for in Drake showed up Drake took a liking to tiger. We get their whole like what the fuck. Why? Are they holding the hands on splash mountain? What are they doing? Yeah. And then he took they took him to his mansion after that they hung out for the day. I would slap her face. So you're the worst mom in the world. And I drive over there and choke Drake the fuck out and piss on him. We are the parents and all this on your the ones that should be going to jail the seven year old kid who's said balls, even Mike Jackson the bedroom. There's a seven year old kid. Hold pause to seven year old kid who's just infatuated with Michael Jackson. That's his hero. And so when your hair comes on dude, if junior sale or Adam Sandler or Jim Carey at seven years old is like dude you asleep at my house. I'm like fuck. Yes. I get this house out of done anything for their approval anything at all. Sounds like dude, I want you. Pour hot sauce in your eyes. So only we can stay at my house. Mike, where's your hot sauce? Apple where's that ghost fucking hot sauce at? Let's do it man. I would have done anything about these kids and also back then stars were different. They you legit superstar. Michael jackson. The biggest the biggest if not the be all time. Now, they're stars. But not everything so personal there's Instagram social media. There's different kinds of stars. There's no really like huge huge star like that anymore. I don't I don't know if anyone that sticks out like you can't do it any kids do it because same back then like Johnny Carson, Jay Leno. Dave, let those shows were so big now look at the ratings of Jimmy Fallon, you know, Jimmy Kimmel and all those it's just the different like if you go on Conan in and you do a four minute bit. If he did on the late night with frigging, Johnny Carson it life changer. Go that go do that on one of these talk shows now go do it on late night talk show. Does nothing for your crew anymore. It's just there's so many ways to get material now. So to to that point there's not the same amount of like real real superstars like the real star. Like, Michael Jackson. Are you shitting me question? Michael Jackson in my room. I like do what do you wanna do? Can I dance for you? Okay. Or an all fucking moonwalk naked with my balls tucked behind my back, whatever you wanna do. What's all it was just little dudes? Was there any little girls with them or just little boys salt question? Good question. No girls are that changes. No girls. All right. Yeah. Part to have HBO now. So I didn't wait. So you watch both I fell asleep during the first one I woke up and was like, what is the is the guy still given details them they have so many details, but before 'cause you're guilty until proven innocent. I'm on the fence. I'm kind of like where we add here, man. Is there any solid evidence? Or is this just name slandering because the man's, Dan? And can't fight for you know, with the really happen. Either way fucked up to need a lot of therapy. Need a shitload of therapy. Either way you look at it. But the parents good man could God there there's not one celebrity on this planet who could come show up at my house. My dude supervise hang your kid for few hours. Absolutely. Not even Adam Sandler. Does he is he Adam have his kids with them? Because then then it's the dads can talk and the kids can play. It just seems like a nice guy. Nope. Nope. Doesn't matter who it is. That is so fucking strange now that I'm a father for someone else as a grown. Vote to walk up. And like, dude, it's cool. I stay the night. Are you got a mind? Yeah. Crazy. This is crazy when you watch this you like put the foot Michael this shows up to the house. There's nothing homeboy like wins a dance contests. He's actually pretty good wins a dance contest. That's fantastic. Michael jackson. They toes people. His team calls him goes. I'm gonna send a camera crew to your house to film you. And he goes, I really wasn't that big of a Michael Jackson fan was. All right. I just can dads and I saw him do it. So I fucking did. It won the contest. And he goes, then they come over my house, and they put up all these Michael Jackson posters, like I'm this Uber fan, and they film it you see this kid dancing, and you're like, well, what's that here? Here's if you're fucking parent. How does it not go? Well, what you filming for? What's what is this for no one asked? No. There was nothing is this for not dishing is just so he can see my skills because you're gonna put me in a fucking Pepsi commercial. Are you put me on the next tour? No, he's just filming the film to look at you. And it was like he's dope. Let me hang out him. And they start hanging out the moms like, I didn't know what it's for. How do you not ask? So don't take their fucking camera while I'm at the dock park, my son, and they they start feeling like what the fuck you doing man. What are you doing? Why film another kid? The parents dude, the fuck, and parents definitely wanted you got to go after. The parents man, hardcore it's hardcore shit. Let's get back to the fight. So for that weird. Michael Jackson right in the middle of Johnny Walker bid. Shadow to Johnny Walker. They what's next for a guy like that. I know he says he wants a a John j-o-h-n stuff like that. Take it easy. Take it easy. The Michel fight. We thought was going to be a tough task for him. Do you give them someone? Go the rankings for me chin, you give them someone right around that area. Like, let's slow because we have no idea. What it looks like when he gets dragged in later rounds? God him verse. Don't give him shogun. That's fucked up him to these a hindrance Jimmy Mandawa. Be a fun fight at the phenomenal fight. The the one the one that you just like, I don't do that. Because he beats so many guys in the just, but that let let liftoff Latifi Latifi. He's at gatekeeper where it's just like damn, dude. Like fuck your world up. He's a tough tough tough to get outta there. He's not very flashy who took a bowling ball with arms and legs. He's good at everything. He's unexciting. Don't give them him. That's just come on. Take it easy. Let's not do that. Let's just jump him. But I like him against he. Glor- share is not a bad one. It's a lot to chew off timeout a real vet black boy on the ground. Phenomenal grappling phenomenal boxing little longer in the tooth. I would go with Jimmy Mandawa next. And then even though Jimmy's right higher than global. I'd go Jimmy next who's a real vet phenomenal strike in phenomena boxer. See how that goes? And then go glow ver and then start fucking with the top seven or eight. But there's take it easy. Take it easy. Go back to take it easy. And then you had a zoo beat for germy Stevens. Up to me. I would say probably the biggest letdown of the night Zubi looked all right in listen. The hype owns a beat if you're not familiar who who is yet. Mark Henry who trains, Eddie, Alvarez, Frankie. Edgar Ed Zimbardo Boza trains, all those guys probably text me two years ago. It was like I have this fucking guy man Zubi on telling you get on the train. Now, he starches everybody in training. No one gets anything by this guy. He beat up everybody. He's the most legit fight I've ever trained, you Frankie train all these monsters. And then so I know how highest skill level is. And we saw last fight. Then there's off see some heat on the man, you know, beating Germany Stevens is not easy in Stevens. Rank what sick? So I thought it was impressive. What Shabib did, you know, not getting hit stuff like that? But it wasn't. You know, there's a beat up right now top-five guy for sure, but it's just not the way. With his skill set. And what I know from what? Hi, level coaches. Tell me that's not he didn't have the best night. Also with was a beat the other thing where it's gonna be tough to really for him to pop as a as a huge success in the he's gonna beat damn everybody. He doesn't really have not got power. He he has some flashy kicks. You'll have amazing submissions. He do it. All but he's gonna outpoint. He's not smart you. Here's his foot work the take downs. He's hard to take down. Good cardio. So you know, like, no one walked away going. I can't wait to see that as a beat fight. Again. Man fight next. You know? It just wasn't there. Like, you know to the same point with like Yahya Rodriguez after his last fight like holy fuck. Who's gonna fight next? We can't wait for beat. I think his stock went down a little which is insane to say because he beat Germany Stevens, who's an absolute fucking nightmare. See was trying to trying to just land, you know, trying to get it man trying to land when autumn and Sabine would not play that game. He just so skilled. Yeah. And then to the main card dude phenomenal main car, I I like when there's controversy. I like when there's knockouts I like when they are decisions. I like when you know, you thought one guy was going to do this. And it goes this way. I I love that stuff. Man. I absolutely love it. That's why we watch it. I cry you know, online stuff like that. And I loved this card, man. I really do. I thought it was a great card. Cody Garbrandt Pedro Munos kicks off your your main card. This one's a heartbreaking loss for Cody Garbrandt. I love Cody Garbrandt love Pedro media to train with him. Phenomenal guy. Phenomenal grappler, I'll get striking phenomenal chin. Cody garbrandt. This is third lesson wrote which is tough pill to swallow a few member Cody went from basically on rank to world champion in a year. News three in a Roman. He's still fan favourite. But so to two of those losses just a guy who has your number. All right, so TJ, so he can't be T J dillashaw. Okay. But guess what before they'd be dominant crews and starts MS MS sake before that then Tom made time time summit was fucking monster. You know? Yes. So for Cody Garbrandt, it's like, you know, I know people want to pile on them, right and go three loss to the roads over bro you need to do. This you shut the fuck up less TJ Dilshad who has his number twice who has most people's number. Who's you know, the best right now, especially the division. Mary didn't lose his belt and the us Pedro Munoz. And why did you lose the Pedro Munoz? Those guys fight ten times. I think the difference all every time. However, he kind of had a lot of Aaron PICO in them there where NPR has the same problem where these guys have so much fight in them. They've got that fucking fight in a man that fighting spirit where remember Cody gets head. But you can see the kind of them up. And then from there was just by down your mouthpiece and swing away. Anytime you do that fifty percent time. It goes your way for two percent of the time because the other guy's way that's not that's not high level fighting. That's just not cody's level was on the line for him. That's not the way to do it. But what got Cody to be a world champion is that fight is that fighting spirit. So you live by the sword. Die by the sword is going to be fine. I would bet a shit ton of money that Cody Garbrandt wins his next fight. I'll say this. I feel sorry for whoever fights Cody Garbrandt Knicks with his skill set and coming off this loss someone's about to get it. So it was really about to get it. Then you had Zang restores good fight fucking Zank and scrap. She's good. Are they the two most Jack Straw weights in in the world. They they do all the cross fit in the world. They they look like two little cross fits. They're just doing workman salt fight. And then the one I this funny one actually woke up nervous for because Rogin and myself have been so pro been aspirin we've been so balls deep again, Ben aspirin and the of C. And finally, it's happened as a guy hope Ben wins. Not because I don't like Robbie Lawler. I love Robbie law. He's a fucking goatman. I love Robbie. He's a mount Rushmore. It was just because you want been aspirin to to prove everyone. What you've been talking about get the told you told your ass. He's fucking good, man. Now getting Robbie Lawler, which is not the easiest fight. Especially for your first fight meal. C has great takedown offense hits. Like a Mack truck. Ben. Estrin doesn't strike at all. He does is wrestle rub y'all Kim fucking wrestles ass off. So you know, tough match-up for him. But when bash who's a, you know, rural chairman from Bela Tor world championship you've see this. What you can get man. Cool. Cool. You can just wrestle. Here's Robbie Lawler. This UFC it's the fucking UFC, man. So you get Robbie Lawler, and I cannot think of a worse start to UC pro-. I fight. I mean, it was tough goings. He has picked up spy face and the head and then get risk controlled and lawler's beaten the shit, Emma. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. This is this is not good. This is not good. But actually thought stuff like it's not snowflake just getting his ass. Molly waft for the first few minutes of that fight. And you're like, oh, yeah. That's what Robbie Lawler does. And then, you know, thebenz credit how tough is he man how fucking tough has been asked him. They see him just kind of whether the storm kind of his faces all naral dob is all fucked up. He's that flat Chaz trying to figure things out. And then just graphing he keeps grappling. And then in the, you know, in the grand scheme of things any he gets them in that bulldog, bulldog, choke, which is a nasty fuck in technical move. And. I never I never thought. Robbie was out. You know? I just thought you know, they're going at it. It'd be interesting how that fight kept playing out because you know, there's a lot of time left. So, you know, a lot of people. You see his arm timing like go a little limp. That's a tough one. If you're tough. It's a tough one here. Dean who I do think is the best ref in the game. We'll get to God or dude. God goddard. It's a tough one. If if you heard, you know, it's 'cause it's not under the neck, but it's cranking the shit out of his chin bribe. You know, he has some a few times if he's okay, some people say Robbie gave thumbs up. The only thing here too is like Robbie pops up right away. If you're out you're kind of a little out of it. You don't pop up like he doesn't talk shit. He's like what the fuck you doing and you see her face on. Now, he realizes right away fucked up. It's a bummer to see. It's a complete bummer to see. I'd like see how that fight played out. And one of the reasons I think Dana send the post grunge that they wanna run that back. I would love which is not having. So it makes sense. They'd run the back. I'd love to see use men for spin Askin. I think as far as well to rate goes when you look at the potential ups for use men and aspirin is kind of his biggest threat would be his biggest threat fighting style. The today Asti the conditioning the wrestling with a toe to toe wrestling, I just think that would be his biggest test by far. I'd love to see that fight that fight. Is amazing. But you know, you're in confirmed eating Kobe come in verse who's been necks. And so move onto Kamara loose, man. I thought. Some people might have found this fight boring. I found this fight to be absolutely astonishing. I could not fathom how who's been just completely dismantled. Woodley. Woodley is. So good. Woodley is amazing. Woodley is a top three easily. Best welterweight of all time Nyman close. No one really takes him down. They do. Pops up her knock your ass out. He does everything on paper better than Kamara loose men and use spin just from the date just got after his ass. Outworked them. Is Houston that here's the question is useless that God damn good? Or did Woodley 'cause Willie didn't look there? Woodley from the Geico. Didn't look good there and with my friends right away. When Woodley right? If you remember right when spring came out, and she kind of goes for that shot. Woodley grabs a guillotine, and it really wasn't there. He's on the wrong side. And he jumps to it it with offense against his back is such a kind of a. Almost an amateur move. So at his level would never do that. When I saw them like there's no way Woodley. What I was like I'm confused by the thought thanking move because now you're on your back. It's minutes. It's seconds into the opening round. Why would you jump to guilty on the wrong side against the fence? I went and then I clicked on. Oh, he's not there. He meant. He's not there yet this happened to soon. Willie's a black belt level. Grappler, a world class wrestler a world mixed mixed martial artists. He's competed with the best of the best beat most almost damn near all of them that guy wouldn't do that. He's mentally not there. And then you see his facial sake. That's weird. Then that just it was a poppet. He looked the same. There's no snap. Now. He is thirty seven years old. He is fighting a guy who would not stop. I'm telling you, man, what Kamara Eastman did in that. Title. Fight is one of the most impressive title fights of all time. For all the shit people talk of guys who get title shots, and then the moments too big form, and they just don't or it's a quick knockout. So we don't know how good they are. Who's been was meant for this literally showed the fuck up this mantle Woodley in every single way. There is a few ten eight rounds when he had Woodley mounted as a own. My God man did. And I'm the biggest Woodley fan. You guys heard? My ran about will the I mean, I think when we first started to show I've had some brands about fucking Willie house under utilize under appreciated. The you've seen these get on the fucking wagon and promote that guy, and I felt so bad for Woodley. This is why. Because remember woodley's always been kind of the pay me while I'm worth this is how it should be. I'm not finding that guy. Gimme this guy wants the big name. And he's been difficult for the if the brass the deal with that's all fine and dandy to make those demands when you champion when you're not champion all that goes so far out the window. And because he was in a drawl at welterweight because he was difficult deal with they're gonna make the road for him to get back that Tyler shot damn near impossible and add is fuck in heartbreaking. Here's the other thing. If you're Woodley fan immediate rematch of he's not happened bullishness. Most people like dude, he's been champ for Halloween gave him immediate rematch. Here's the problem with that immediate rematch is usually happen if so. TJ? Percentage of hoodoo immediate rematch. All make sense yet starches some controversy early stoppage clip behind the air. We don't know. Who's better redo that one? Let's do that one right away came Blazquez JD. You got hit behind the ear thirty six in. All right. We need to see more of that redo that one one it's twenty five minutes of absolute domination. You can't do a rematch. He beats you in every single way. Possible take downs striking grappling. He's just outworked to complete when there's that much dominates for twenty five minutes. It's that that's a tough tough way to go. Dude. I I've been champ forever. I deserve a rematch. He goes well, hold on. You got out class for twenty five minutes. It was even a fight. There's there's couple few ten eight rounds. There you've been difficult to deal with you. Never get numbers for us. So I see that. And I my heart fucking hot. I was so happy for tomorrow's men because what's great about the UFC is. When there's champions who've been around for a while, they just have certain guys numbers. And when they fall out the new champion comes along that deck completely shuffles. Now, the the guys who can maybe have potentially become world champions. Now have an actual shot you you'll listen the future die with Francis. And Gano I told him I move for him would be wait for DC to retire. Let the bad matchup free, you might clip them. But you might not man in DC is one of the all time really doesn't get touch especially heavyweight. He does not play that game. He takes you down. Makes you look bad. He knocked out steep who beat you and five let DC do his thing with Brock, John an engineering retire. Now that heavyweight division. It's an completely reshuffled. Now, you can do your thing men. Now, the match ups are more fun. They're better for you. Same thing. You know now that woodley's out you have been there reshuffle. Alright who has who stacks up against this man, will guess what would. Levers aspirin. I was never going to happen. So we never gonna see that fight will now asking probably get shot. Now Darren tells a motherfucker especially in Houston. I'd love to see that. I'd love to see that Darren till verse who's been that's a great fight. Kobe comington stylus kief Russmann perfect match for use means they have the same style. But who's been just worked harder? He did. That's a tough match for Colby, very tough match-up for Kobe. If you're wonder boy wonder boy, whose man that's a great fight with Woodley at champion Colby 'til. And Thompson had no shot. Did you? That's the way it goes. Sometimes like a Guston if there's no John Jones or DC Gusman goes down as the greatest light heavyweight champion of all time. But just the way the world works during your era when you're fighting. There's two of the guys can beat you. But those guys are not there, you're completely different trajectory, and you're the best of all time. Well, this kind of happens when these longtime champions lose now these other guys have a chance to cement their Lexi and get actual shot 'cause they match up with him. Good. That's a good thing. Shitty. For woodley. Good for business, though. Good for the welterweight division the bunch of life in it. Now. It's fun though. You look up the match ups like Jesus Christ. There's a lot of fun. They're a ton of fun there. How about Kobe coming Tim and doing his thing, you know, how about video doing his thing? It's the put it politely. How about the video where he's on? I don't know if he's on periscope periscope seal exists. Forty catches Dana playing cards. Now, we got that stuff. The best part of that. Is that random side piece? He's like, oh, boy, and you see here just kinda ditch out. Yeah. She made it ten times. She does the Homer Simpson. Just like. Stop filming top filming. But to all the shit thrown Kobe's way. We're all making fun of people hate him or like him. Whatever what he's doing is. Everyone's talking about him and it dig into Matala shot. Didn't it did give him a title shot, man? You have our breaking but could Kamaru spend. Take any dog that motherfuckers so good. We don't really know. How good he was. You know when he beat Hartfield dos. Anjos we were like all right, dose Angeles. Good. He's older. But and he's been beat before Kobe beat them same way. So all right, but good Lord. We're the focus Jose con Karros who beat them fuck in in two thousand thirteen where's that monster Loris? Yeah, dude. But you look at frigging what who's been did man and just round after round and the tenacity he was like a vampire sucking the energy out of Woodley round after round breaking them. First round would Li super dangerous, even though Willie didn't look that explosive that dangerous that first round he played it. Perfect to suck it down to the second round chance to begin knocked out. Go go down chance get again knocked out go to suck in the energy out of them. And he kept doing that round after round. He never let off the gasman to completely dominate you. I can't remember last saw champion dominate like that every facet of the sport. I can't can't remember guys. Get knocked out guys get submitted. But for five rounds of absolute dismantle, the one the graves what rates of all time where you go your wrestler. Cool, bro me too. But you division one. Right. Yeah. I was division. Two in your you said your better. All right. Very cool. Check this out for five rounds nonstop. I I don't know if we've seen it really meant that is one of the greatest title fight performances. We've ever seen and fans you'll note she was born or you don't know what the fuck you're talking about that shit was art man that was art and Mark Goddard dude dude draw. What the fuck are you doing? What are you doing? Let's let's move boy that I'm a stand you up. This is a fight. If I'm fucking Toronto. You're fucking think have you ever been to one in your life? If I when like, you know. I'm just say timeout Goddard trying to fuck and take down with the right now. Trying to take him down for me against the cage. It's impossible. No one. Does it? He's one of the greatest takedown defenses of all time take him down in. You're not going to be able to do it. So when I take him down, and I'm on top of him trying to work, and you stand us up. What are you doing? It just shows you incompetent when it comes to mixed. Martial arts. Anyone who knows the game knows how impressive it is for us. When to be on top of Woodley. That's insane. What he's doing that is fucking perfect art. He's mastering mixed martial arts when he take Willie down and you're doing work on top risk control against the cage. That's winning the fight. That's winning a title fight against one of the best ever do it. And you stay in them up. Why because you're not entertained as we're fucker you doing and then he throw shade at Jonah. And Rogin Dhamma crews Heathrow shade at him get the euro referee Filipe people worse than you the fucking judges. You find your life? You took classes to get here. Now, you're judging these world class fighters you're fucking up the path of a world title fight your fucking it up. You're becoming a problem. You know, what fighters don't think about when they're when they're thinking about finding work class fighters if the ref is going to be an issue, that's the last you have to worry about well now on your fucking fighting at marked oughta giraffe yet worry. He's quick disdain guys up, man. The fuck you doing you? Should you are a fly on the wall? You're there to make sure if someone gets a knocker submission. I don't die. You step in before. I die. That's it. So impulsively nine Yemen. Give them five minutes. So kicks him in the nuts. I'll I'll let you know other than that get the fuck out the way, you are not supposed to be involved in this world class mixed. Martial arts fight that is not your job. Your job is not to stand up. So the fans clap that's not in the resume. That is not what you were here to do. You are here to make sure no one dies. And if there is some illegal blows, you take it from there when a fucking young line takes down the best old line. You should not interject in that you should not go. Well, he's not really working. He's not again. Pause. Mark uttered. Take him down. Take him down. Watch fuck in video educate yourself and learn how hard that is to do for you to stand him up is so insulting to every mixed. Martial arts fan every single fan out there who has fucking clue about fighting. That's insulting. That's crazy. Thank god. He's still one or imagine. He stood out in the woodlands to right hand, not to mount left hand. Who's out fallen fucking Mark garden daughter? It's such a shame. And then he puts out here. So homeboy Canadian Boughedir put what do you think of Mark Goddard and his constant standing up of us use man and deans allowing Jones Smith grinded out. John puts on why John even did this. Yes. Wildly inconsistent newsmen who's working his ass off. And then Mark Goddard goes hold. My bare not only did. I fuck up that fight. I'm about the fucked up Twitter right now, the only thing wildly inconsistent is your and your cocom's regulation observation of actual events are save by side. For later was he have a podcast or some shit on also have podcasts also just wrath what he's selling merch to Mark guttered. What are you should I them? Oh, you you're fucking YouTube. What are you talking about? And then John Amoco's, I was trying to be respectful. We are just like we see it too. But there's an arrogance in which you deal with the fighters, come tears and many in the sport. And I find it off pudding one man's take. I'm quite sure you'll give yours for everyone to hear. This is John Antic replying to a fan. And then this guy goes I believe John I was referring to the in casino between each referee's decisions of when to separate the fighters. Jonah goes exactly that's what I was referring to that two of the consensus. Best referees in the game would handle those two situations so differently. Understanding the athletes are different. But there are parallels to be drawn agree with Antic. Either way, you know, with with her dean who I do think is the best letting John Jones work against anti Smith where if you're gonna stamp anything you'd be there when the with is sitting on his butt just kind of risk control and bent over is awkward like that. All right. That's completely different than what use men Woodley were doing completely different. Even the John Jones at the Smith fight. You know, it was the most entertaining. No. I was on the edge of my seat for the first two rounds. I think one of the takeaways found out from this anti Smith lot there. And we thought no one really give him credit, right? Especially the media going. You know, should you even be deserve to be here it proves. Yeah. He's probably top five guy hands down. No disagreement with that. He's he deserves to be there earned his way. There definitely top five light heavyweight right now, you know, and everyone goes I should add more should on. This should went on shield. How about the fact that when John Jones those our legal kick, anti swift could easy. But like, oh, I'm hurt. This should be a fucking no contest or whatever. And it gives non fine. Love and for that kind of this. We're kind of dude you're dealing with him. I thought I thought Jones a good. I mean, it's a lot easier said, you know, to be to go antisocial gone your shield fucking try something it's tough when Johnstone these kicks to your knees and your face in your body and spinning back kicks and throwing fuck in flying knees. And it's tough, man. A figure it out. No one's figured out yet not one person's figured out yet. So for Anthea Smith last twenty five minutes and try to figure out that puzzle. As it kept going jaundice dismantled round after round after round. I thought John Lewis good. I know there's criticism of John's, you know. Get them out of there. He's too big of a favorite is thing. When he listened that big of a favorite, you're not giving enough credit the tough in dude, man. I think if the Smith thought it maybe find out and be able to capitalize on some kind of mistakes John was making. But just wasn't there for twenty-five, Mitzi. Didn't see anything kind of broke his will and his cornermen Jesus Christ. Guys, you seen it at all. You see it at all get in there to fuck you. What do you mean seen it? All I haven't seen anything. That's the problem. I can't fuck and see just kidding me. The goddamn knees. The face the body. All he kept saying is you've seen it all let's go, dude. That's not helping cornerman. All you keep saying I've seen it all I can't fucking see it all if I could see it all I would make fucking corrections. That I can't see you keep saying I've seen it all I haven't seen it all no one seemed John Jones. That's why no one can beat them. They get in there, and they can't mimic them and training camp. So he keeps saying seen it all it's not held. Thing you're not helping do better. Gimme better coaching come on baby seen it all Lionheart. Very cool. This isn't the movies, those cool the first round give me some sort of correction here. Help me out here. Would you see because all I see is him kick me in the fuck and face and punching and then taking me down. Here's the other thing. How goes Anthony Smith steak done offense. Amazing fucking amazing. John could not get him down for the life of it. It's impressive. No saying what John Jones verse. They gave the fight. They don't wanna see John Jones. Verse o Santos us. Does sign me up. I'm into that. I'm assuming DC's gonna fight Brock. And then you get Santa's verse John. I'm I'm into it, man. I'd love see Santa's versa Walker. But again as a one man, but to up and comers. Yep. All right, man. You some tournaments overall? 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While Dana is just doing his antics or working. I thought this would get him fired too. Yeah. I thought for sure it was because it's his personal life personal. But then it is sort of in Paul's, most depressing isn't. Maybe thought it looks like the palms. That'd be Jim the bulbs, bro. How you doing either chick? Yeah. Let's check on the right? Komo bro. Leave the girl. All right. Yeah. Larry's whole laris. It is a good thing is is. A awfully Dana doesn't take take this up too serious anymore. You know, 'cause when I saw that I was talking to Kobe, and I have a mutual friend in campaigns. What did you think of it, dude? I I'm thinking of all Dina, Mike, Keith kind of fucked. I don't think gonna give them a shot after that. Like, he he does he takes ship personal, man. But I'll see he's like, I'm good. Don't you handle it? So well surprised the side piece for sure like you've been there just playing cards, which you don't do is go who. It's a hurry. Start wheezing going. All right now, everyone sees you just pretend you're playing card. You know, people say something. Yeah. Right. They're usually on it. But look everyone has their back to them there. Yeah. It was kind of a sort of an ambush. But also if Dana White's at the table plan, shouldn't you be bore on guard like people trying to fix pretty open. Yeah. With a nice pretty young lady. Catch home. Data to that is cool with it seems like it he single now. Oh, I didn't know that. Pretty sure. Oh, okay. Yeah. Who knows? Next with us yet. Oh, become into it. We're Hobie has been in the news quite a bit now. So after the fight, you know, who spend walked towards Coby Coby like after who's been one, right? Kobe almost kind of fight with woodley's mom what that's take that. You gotta ten Brian each other. Anisia seven I'll take seven two. That's terrible. I know well, so the day before Colby was showing outside the cage and then tomorrow Comorros been try to walk up to him. But then the security stopped and those stopped really like really fast. Do you watch that clip? Sure. Okay. It's not really that big deal. But again, maybe Kobi's better than we think. But I don't see how Kobe visas, man. After seeing news man, this is after the fight. Yeah. Right after so you just trying to approach Colby, but they stopped. It right away. Yeah. They're not having any of that next day at the buffet. This is the next more the buffet. Yeah. We get all e. Yeah. Dude that guy is I don't know what to say about a man he seems just to to involved into the stuff for manager. Yeah. You want me just play the video P Diddy all been your videos are so they happen to be in the same frigging ace buffet. Yeah. And then frigging all the absolves disease is the one that made it worse. And there's children there's women there. Chuck TMZ for making with the arrows cool. Us z's. Comorros like chill. He's been. See screaming just too much not the place, man. Tomorrow starts going back. Yeah. I'd like to get all these Sasha levels check. He's so. Yeah. Dude. He so aggressive tomorrow. Kobe Kobe aletha well jobs trying to get angry there, but he's just Will Smith. Get angry there. But he's still he knows not to do anything. He's trying to collect combat situation to the burly boys and older lady that let's man, that's what I'm saying. That's where you don't do it. Also. Can stop a chin also year all grown men at a buffet in Vegas water. You're doing get an altercation embarrassing that is I like dramas much as the next guy, man. A God damn buffet at nine. It's nine in the morning. Who's been your world champion, all your guy? Now, you have you have fucking use men. You got fucking Henry sa- hudo who will see his Khabib. Habib. He has our Jordan has all three of them. Yeah. Chill out but also chill out. It's nine in the morning at a buffet Vegas this bad enough you at a buffet in Vegas. That's depressing. However, you have three world champions. Just be cool, man. Be fucking cool. Also, you guys should be clapping for Kobe comington. He's barking the fuck out of this fight. He that's the reason why he's getting this fight. Now. Granted he's wanna be great guys. He's earned it. But still you should be happy. Because now everyone's talking about Kobe flew out there with all these antics, and it's workmen it's going to sell the fuck out of this fight. You know, like, we don't. So this fight when your manager fights the guy you're supposed to fight at a buffet in Vegas at nine AM go, oh, it's kind of depressing. But us all that in case, they wouldn't let out to out of the cage they were supposed to quarter Woodley. But they wouldn't let him and. And was like all right. Let me just sit. You know? Sit it will let them. Well. What though that's lame? You. I don't know what to do with. I again, maybe we don't and I'm a Kobe fan. We don't know what skills. Kobe possesses right now. We've seen him do work. I think who spent opened a lot of people's eyes. We're otit. He's that good. Now's Kobe that. Because look at this. I'm like we'll Kamara does Koby does. But to another level. I don't see how that's going to pan out for him. But I tell you what is a fun match up. I don't know how Ben aspirin use men pans out. I have no idea that's a fucking fight. Yeah. What else you got? By the way, we've spent is a way bigger than I thought he lied. Looks giants. I show when I was in Palm Beach. I'm being Miami next week. Let's do it who's been, but awesome. Good luck. But clearly, I'm the reason general champion, but he's up my show in Palm Beach. And I was I g to use as Kreischer big too. So. Huge meat tire. Looks so small. Okay. Cro cop your boy, he suffered a stroke, dude. I saw this. Yeah. Such a fucking shame suffer a stroke because he's fifty still fucking kidding. And people in the face and working out every day to the max, I guess you would imagine that would make him stronger or as heart stronger and everything but to that level though, bro. Yeah. I don't know. What else he might be taking too? I don't just. Mirko CRO cop is on ever supplements. Chin how dare you? But if he is I'm sure that probably one point one of the most feared. Yep. Said he suffered a stroke on his decision win over ROY Nelson. Yeah. So he's officially retired. Now, he said it's not because of the ROY Nelson fight, but he had like issues with his neck for a while. I was very lucky. I must not take punches to the head ever again. Yeah. Wow. Leading only forty nine. I'd bleeding in the brain holy shit killing house today. And I wanted to come here to see people feeling good. Wow. Yeah. So he said it did not come from a result of his recent fight against Nelson. But rather a neck issue. Bond for several months. I will never into the ring again. I cannot let someone hit me. You know? What though thank God he won because he went off on the right foot? And he's one of the greatest ever do it legend man, shouted to Mirko love Mirko love love Mirko. She got. All right. Well, we kind of knew this is going to happen. But John Jones did tests for picograms of that same m three tab alight before Anthony Smith. Here's my thing with the speed grams all that stuff, I'm out. I don't give a fuck anymore. I'm done. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna keep happening. Yeah. Yeah. So she can keep happening is what it is though. The only thing kind of here's a few things of note. John does say he knows someone else in the who's dealing with the same Novitsky scale, which is interesting. What who that is they're going to release it later after the this whole thing is done. So once we find out who that is that's gonna make a lot more sense for because especially like been bust for real steroids. The other thing of note that I didn't wanna bring up because on his career Jeremy Stevens in the scrum before this fight mentioned. He had suicidal thoughts after his loss Josie Aldo that would be something if on the commission go, well, that's not good same thing. Remember, Mark said he's suffering from a few those are symptoms of CT. Remember that? I think there is an issue that they pulled him off the car, remember in Australia. So when I saw it with Steven oh ship. That's I text Rogan. And I'm not talking about this. I don't want to you know, you don't want to put that in the spotlight because then commission see it. And then they pull them for fight. Yeah. I heard him doing an interview with Ariel. But he said that he had similar thoughts when he was in high school, and then it just came back after the Jose elder one mental illness. Yeah, he makes that with punch of the head. You had fuck in perfect mix for a sad ending, man. I hate seeing I liked you, Stephen. So I hope opiate dresses that now something just put to the wayside. No. Notice. She's true. By the way, we didn't talk about this. But the Matt Houston off that is incredibly sad to I don't have it as current. But you don't have the now because it was like, but I just felt so sad to talk about it update. Do we know exactly what's going on? Because I always always are string order against him and his wife, his wife and his brother his twin brother because why? Because the brother thing was about a tractor. I guess Matt. He's believed that he owned the tractor. Then he saw as his brother's son driving tractor. And they went off on the on the son like kinda went Adam started, shaking them. And then the wife didn't want some white farm boy shit. Yeah. Tractor carry on and this week. Does nephew. She the son. He was shaking his twin brother, son. So something really bad's going on. And then his wife didn't give them the keys to the car. He wanted to drive because he can't drive in this condition. Right. So he grabbed her I think he hit her in the shower. Few times. And then I guess she also mentioned that he's been texting other women and she's upset about that. And then he would get aggressive with her for her getting upset. So it's weird one, right? Like is there is there is there any is this is he denies everything, of course. Yeah. So he can't hit a long post where he denies everything. But if his own wife and his brother, I mean, the twin brothers where I feel like then there's some legit seriously CT issues. Yeah. I'll say this. I have no. I've no evidence. I've no credible source. I have no idea does not have skeptical hippo is when Matt Hughes gone that car in that truck on the train tracks. Does everyone just assume that the car can get traction and carry off from the train tracks. You hold on. You're talking about the train tracks. He grew up on talking about the the truck they drives every day. You're telling me that that train you ever seen a train unless it's an electric one. That's flying like a goddamn bullet. You can see a train from a fuck in mile at least amount country to you telling me that the truck tires didn't pick up traction. And that's why he got hit by the train. All I'm saying is my snout is out. And then when I saw went on not touching that. Who knows what's going on there? Definitely some CT going on there. I would assume whatever not my fight. Now when I see this hitting his wife. Shaken the nephew that son is shaking his son. Then that fucking has issues with his fucking twin brother. Yeah. It's still incredibly Saudi I forty eight bro. Put together, man. Either way. It's sad. Very very sad. So if you want some sad, you know, what my prediction is we're going to see a lot more of this. Because you have see is. So new everyone goes Botton's way worse is it. How do you know that? Well, study says cool study say UC hasn't been around long enough for C get really deep into this. Who who who's the most kind of veteran fighters that we know right now. Let's just go over real quick. Let's go over a few Chuck Ladele. How's he doing mentally? I won't say phenomenal. Not as good as he was before. For sure Hughes doing noggin night. Great. Is these guys get older you're really going to see the effects of house Mirko crop CRO cop? Now, just had a stroke house Ron house fucking Coleman. Doing replace hip. Not doing well broke not Domo van delay symptoms. Marquan like, this is all the sports so news when people go oh, boxing, safer, hold is it we don't know. We don't know. You know, why we don't know? Because the training is what puts the miles on all these guys some the guys doing training. We'll take. I mean, it's insane. Oh, and also they're way more active than boxers. So you can throw that in there too. How often bump how often is a world championship boxer fight prettier? Maybe twice a twice if they're active if they're active they hype it up for twenty usually once MMA, excuse me. Cowboy. We don't know. But what we do know is as guys get older. We're going to start to learn how safe it is Gary on. Yeah. It doesn't look that. Great though. Right. Which is a bummer. But it's, but it's not a this isn't anything new or, you know, get hit in the head. There's going to be some worse consequences of it. But also all sports have their issues NFL has issues box. Hazardous shoes has issues wrestling pro wrestling. Yeah. They do. Yeah. All right, next, one Tarn Woodley said he's out ten thousand dollars. He could've made ten thousand dollars for like an engagement like going to a club and being with people, but because of Sada like they showed up super late and they wanted to meet at like almost midnight. Does that make sense SuperBowl weekend, the lake Kimmy bus or soil because I said a few entrees towards her? But whether we spent shamed me at twelve am on Super Bowl weekend. On the reason. I was in Atlanta was probably for sue ball. At some parents are supposed to be at. I didn't event with NFL. Devante freeman. And meek mill was be at an event with Luke Chris event was snoop Dogg. And I was at the hotel waiting on her to come by forty five minutes drive desk. So she tests me around one AM missiles events Cise. Why can't you test me in the morning? I'm gonna be here. She said, oh, let me call him and ask if they can test you in the morning, they said, no, this you now that is that is terrible. He saw it as a joke complete fucking joke. What else you got? Let's move on to this. Oh, so Eddie Alvarez. I don't know if he spoke to him about this either. But he said that the interim title is a sick joke. I didn't talk to him about. Okay. What did you say pretty much right here? When that's valued. Interim title is valued by fans by the media by the promotion everyone. It's a sick joke, and it should be laughed at and it should no longer be applauded, and it should be booed. And when it is it'll be a happy day fighters. Get paid more fans will be more educated and promotions will stop the bullshit not likely threat. One is so what he just doesn't like intern belts. Pretty much, but it doesn't make sense as far as well. Let me show you Dana White's response to it. So then what immediately addressed it? And then his reasoning why it's not a sick joke is when you win the interim title bout, you're looked at as a title holder, and then you basically get to share in the paper pay per view revenue. And obviously you're supposed to be the next guy in line to fight for the title. A problem with them. I don't I think the promise people