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#07 Cannabidiol (CBD): Hype or Hero?

The Curious About Cannabis Podcast

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#07 Cannabidiol (CBD): Hype or Hero?

"You're listening to the curious about cannabis podcast before we get started here. Let me just share a little disclaimer in this episode? We're going to be discussing. The medical uses of cannabis. Now all the information I present to you in this podcast in general is for education and entertainment purposes only and should definitely not be considered medical advice. Please never make decisions about your health based on anything. You hear me or any other podcast host talk about. I'm simply sharing information that I've collected from talking with professionals with relevant experience or from research studies that are available out there that have been published. But I'm not a doctor. You should always get your medical advice from a licensed healthcare professional now with that out of the way. Let's move on these days. Cd's all the hype ladies how everybody is talking about. Cb oil now comes to the cannabis plan and many believe that can help with everything from Zaidi and chronic pain diabetes even cancer. We're in the midst of a CBD oil boom the two thousand eighteen farm bill paved the way for legal hemp production in the United States seeming to open up a multi-billion dollar him market. That was now up for grabs of all the potential surrounding legal hemp. There was one section of the market the head. Everyone's attention and that's the CBD market. It's estimated that over a thousand. Cbd brands came onto the market in two thousand nineteen and it's estimated that approximately a quarter of the US population has tried CBD. Health claims have been boasted and promoted by CD Companies Doctors Entertainers and social media influencers. So what's the deal is C. D? Legit or is it just another snake oil? And what does she actually do to your body in this episode? We explore the history and the science of the canal annoyed. That's currently all the craze nabbed. I'll or as you probably know it. Cbd Hey everybody. This is Jason Wilson with the curious about cannabis podcast. Thanks much for tuning in once again in this episode. We're going to be taking a close look. At one of the most popular tabloid produced by the Cannabis Plant and that's NAPA. Dial or as it's better known. Cbd INTO GUIDE OUR CURIOUS QUEST. We're going to be exploring several primary questions one two how does CBD affects the body and the three what are CBD's potential therapeutic applications as well as some of its limitations risks so without further ado? Let's get started for the past. Few years has been big business. The price of a single one ounce bottle of CBD. Tincture can range anywhere from fifty dollars to two hundred dollars or more. Compare that to the average cost of a one. Ounce bottle of a different herbal extract. Tincture like ECHINACEA or elderberry though typically costs somewhere between ten dollars and twenty dollars but what is CB CB is an oily compound produced in the resins of cannabis plant now whether the canvas plants considered him or marijuana they both producing CD. Typically outside of some uncommon exceptions in the United States. Hemp is classified as canvas plants that contain less than zero point three percent. Thc In other countries limit can be even lower sometimes as low as zero point two percent THC instead of THC which is the primary intoxicating compound found campus varieties. They're often called marijuana. The primary Varieties of cannabis tend to produce is connect dial. Cbd THANKS TO INTENTIONAL. Breeding efforts CB can now be found in concentrations as high as twenty or twenty percent and hip plants intended for CBD rich resin production now CBD's markedly different than thc to start cd doesn't really cause any intoxicating or you work effects like THC. Does this features gotten the attention of a lot of people ranging for medical researchers that want to unlock the potential therapeutic effects of cannabis without the risk of abuse and all the way to consumers that. Just WANT TO CHECK OUT CANNABIS. But they're not looking to get high although CBD is not intoxicating it is psychoactive meaning that it does elicit effects from your neurons in your brain this is a common misunderstanding about CBD. It is psychoactive but it is not intoxicating the story of CBD goes back. Thousands of years as cultures across time have used non psychoactive McGregor. Myself Non intoxicating varieties of cannabis for different uses but the most relevant part of our story really starts in nineteen forty when researchers Roger Adams. Madison Hunt and J. H. Clarke published a report indicating the structure of a compound that they had extracted an isolated from wild hemp and Minnesota shout out to listeners and Minnesota your apart. Cbd History these researchers name this compound cabot dial or CBD as it would become commonly known CD was only the second cannabinoid found cannabis at the time with the first being canaveral or CBN a degradation product of THC in nineteen forty four. It was discovered that the effects of barbiturates could be extended if administered with CD but not with C. B. N. or. Thc researchers didn't understand why this effect was happening and they wouldn't get their answer to almost thirty years later for a moment in nineteen sixty three scientists in Israel would shine light on CBD once again until a year later in nineteen sixty four when they announced the discovery of THC as the intoxicating component of campus after that CD would become a bit more ignored once again until round the seventies and eighties when research into CBD really began to pick up steam in nineteen seventy to be discovered that CBD actually inhibits certain enzymes in the body which affects how the body metabolize certain foods and drugs. This helped begin to complete the puzzle that stemmed from the barbiturates study that was performed in nineteen forty four. Nearly three decades prior that we talked about previously in Nineteen eighty-one researchers were able to demonstrate anti-convulsant effects of CBD and humans indicating that it might be an effective treatment for certain forms of epilepsy and specificity in one thousand nine hundred eighty two year later. Cbd was found Exhibit Anti Anxiety Effects. Which would later be reconfirmed in Nineteen ninety-three in one thousand nine hundred five. It was discovered that CBD improves symptoms of psychosis ended. Nineteen Ninety Eight. The United States government actually filed a patent on the antioxidant neuro protective effects of CBD as well as Thc the two thousands would become the decade of elucidating the activity of CBD in two thousand and one researchers begin to finally understand more about how CBD actually works in the body by revealing that CBD targets non-cabinet receptors in the body that it stimulates the production of at least one. Indo cannabinoid an and denied and it inhibits and enzyme responsible for breaking down and might effectively allowing an to linger in the body longer in two thousand and two researchers would then confirm that CD exhibits anti nausea effects which had already been reported as far back as the eighteen hundreds when systematic cannabis research really began to take shape in two thousand and four. It was discovered that certain dosages. Cbd can increase wakefulness and counteract THC and do sedation. So if you're feeling a little sleepy after using THC cannabis a little bit of CBD Might Wake. You backup however be careful because CBD exhibits. What is known as by Faiza Activity? Meaning it acts differently in low doses versus high doses at high doses. Cbd CAN ACTUALLY BE SEDATING. In two thousand and five it was discovered that CD interacts with certain serotonin receptors in the body and in two thousand six researchers will go on to discover that CD also enhances a denizen receptor signaling which is associated with heart health blood pressure and body temperature regulation was also in two thousand six that researchers discovered that. Cbd Can kill breast cancer cells bringing significant attention to the compound as a potential anticancer drug into thousand seven researchers began to understand why CBD reduced the effects of THC in some of their prior research. It turns out that. Cbd CHANGES THE SHAPE and activity of CB one receptors even though it doesn't really exhibit much affinity for CB wonder sceptres directly in this way. It changes the way that teach actually binds to the CBO interceptor modulating. Its activity this. Kind of activity is called. Alistair modulation this why. Cd's able to reduce the high associated with THC It essentially deforms the CB wonder sceptre so that THC can't elicit same reaction from the receptor when it binds to it in two thousand and eight. It was discovered that. Cbd was a potent antibiotic against Mersa a powerful infection that's commonly picked up in hospitals and often resist treatment in two thousand twelve researchers discovered that. Cbd May be as effective as standard anti psychotics and in two thousand fourteen it was discovered the CD might be able to effectively treat acne in the skin by reducing inflammation fighting bacteria on the skin and changing the way that the skin produces oil in two thousand eighteen in the United States the Agricultural Improvement. Act of two thousand eighteen also known as the two thousand eighteen farm bill was passed which effectively legalised temp across the United States including all of the AIDS and other chemical constituents of all varieties of cannabis had thc concentrations the low zero point three percent and with that CBD was removed from the controlled substances list as long as the CD was him derived. Some may say that the CD market began at this time but really see beauty. Products had already been available in foods cosmetics and dietary supplements widely for years prior to the legalisation of him operating in somewhat of a regulatory gray area and then in twenty nineteen EPA dialects would officially become an FDA approved pharmaceutical for the treatment of certain forms of epilepsy in children the status of CBD as a pharmaceutical drug presents a real problem for the CD industry as a whole the FDA does not allow drugs to be added to foods or supplements unless they've been marketed as foods or supplements previously this is due to a set of laws in the food drugs and Cosmetics Act. Of course the irony is that the CBD industry's been around for quite some time not considering the exposure that humans have had to CD throughout history just from their interactions with cannabis cannabis in all its forms have been prohibited in the US for almost ninety years. So of course cannabis derived products have not been openly marketed and sold in the food drug and cosmetics act was enacted in nineteen. Thirty eight. Right around the exact same time that cannabis prohibition began considering that cannabis was included in the States Pharmacopoeia? For many years. All the way up until prohibition began. It's clear that cannabis derived products had been a part of society well into the Nineteen Thirties. And would have persisted. Had It not been for cannabis prohibition so in the nineteen thirties the opportunity for canvas to mature alongside the food supplement? Industries was effectively eliminated and the only pathway to get federally legal cannabis. Drive products to the public was through pharmaceuticals and now that him derive. Cbd AND OTHER AVENUES ARE FEDERALLY LEGAL. Ninety years later the government argues that it can't be put into food or supplements because it's a drug just seems like an awkward argument when you take the full history into account another argument that the FDA argues for resisting making any exceptions for CD in him derives cannabinoid in foods or supplements that there's not adequate data available to show that CBD is safe. They've argued that CBD could cause liver damage and interact with other drugs and thus it should be researched longer before it's allowed to be widely available to be consumed. The study they cite for this concern is a recent rodent study that looked at dosages that were orders of magnitude higher than the highest dosages used incomparable clinical trials for EPA dialects. I should point out that in this study dosages of fifteen milligrams per kilogram of body weight or less or not found exhibit these toxic effects and that's approximately nine hundred thirty milligrams or just round up to a gram of pure. Cbd for an average sized person. I spoke with Dr Ethan Russo about his thoughts on the idea of CBD causing liver damage. There's some concern lately too. And there's controversy of controversy over some of it but about the liver toxicity of high doses of CBD as well. Well I I think that's a blind alley it'd be truthful obviously Lower dose would be better but The liver issues mainly related to elevations of liver function tests and this is in Generally children Who are in Poly Pharmacy with a number drugs? Particularly of perk acid which is all known for being a bad actor in terms of Ltl avation arm so my strong suspicion is that's related to Poly Pharmacy Multiple Drugs rather than than a specific effect of Canal. Dial should also be noted that the World Health Organization issued a report on CD very recently attesting to CBD's remarkable safety profile at the time of this recording the future of the CBD industries very uncertain as him farmers CD product manufacturers and legislators plead their cases for changes to allow the CD industry to continue operating as it has with CBD foods dietary supplements and cosmetics readily available to consumers and now states are taking matters into their own hands just as they had to do with anything related to cannabis and they're setting their own laws for CD and now there's a patchwork of state legislation across the United States in regards to cbd any State Law protects a marijuana byproduct. That doesn't have mind altering properly inspected. Cbc products are now completely legal in the state and that's good news for farmers and companies who make those products as it essentially creates a new industry here in Ohio the crater question lingering around the FDA's involvement in the industry is whether the FDA will actually take action against these CBD companies today. They primarily seem concerned with going after companies making medical or health claims about CD but that could change in the future but the FDA is always going to go after companies making unapproved medical claims because that's in violation of the dietary supplement health and Education Act of Nineteen ninety-four which made it illegal to make such claims without FDA approval may also hear this rule referred to as DJ. Now this is why you see an FDA statement on every dietary supplement label which says something to the effect of these claims have not been evaluated by the FDA and are not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease and yet we see plenty of medical claims being made about CBD products. It really seems as though the only pathway forward to booming legal. Cbd industry across the country through changes to federal law to allow an exception for CD and other hemp derived natural products. Put any law. Changes that are proposed. Should be carefully worded. Even if CD is allowed in foods and supplements if a law change does not also determine. That CD is generally recognized as safe or grass than there could be another set of problems for the CD industry to tackle food additives like plant extracts and essential oils after have grasped status to be freely added to foods or formulated into supplements until the FDA takes on the role of doing this research and granting grass status to CPA and other cabinet itself. It's going to be up to private companies to do their own extensive research to achieve. What's called self affirmed grass status which only applies to their specific products and not their competitors even if their competitors using essentially the exact same ingredients as essentially makes a playing field. Where only the most well-funded CD companies can survive long term to put this into perspective gathering all the data needed to successfully achieve self affirmed grass status can cost as much is a million dollars or more at a time when the value. Cds A commodity is rapidly shrinking along with CD product margins. This is a difficult task for small or medium sized him companies to pull off without coming together and pooling their resources so okay these Cebu products there on the market. We know people are using them. Despite you know the feedback that the FDA's given so what are people actually experiencing with CBD? Since the two thousand eighteen farm bill was passed. Cbd shops have popped up across the country and even large retail chains. Like Kroger Fred Meyer. Cvs and walgreens starting to carry CBD products additionally specialized him in CD focused wellness. Stores have made their way into neighborhoods in cities across the United States. I spoke with Wendy win. An owner of a premiere CD shop in New York City about her experience operating. Cbd's store in a sense. I think the neighborhood felt like they were on the joining with US versus versus having huge the award redone so they knew they knew all that and they embraced with open arms. You know so. That's something that we are very lucky to have so. In the end I think for Artemis we get clients who are very curious about CBD. With I saw so they want the side. You WanNa know everything or we usually get there. Were there last thought. Would they meet with? Tried everything Detroit going on pain medications. Try going all that it wanted approaching much more of a natural plant based approach and we do get some kinds are in the middle with the China ended. Were coming back for another offer that most likely issue ships at the end that we get you know. And since we've been around now for few months would get off the middle which is try their CD other stores in other for second opinion. And they're coming to US without I opened. It wasn't like that op. Ed We have people who are so supportive and like we lost. Cbd WanNa try it you can see. My mother tried it or my dog right. Yeah anything that the other end of the spectrum where they came to challenge. Which was you know what what are you guys doing the sny. Fda approved at all so we saw the breath of clients that we were getting and you know and we really honestly appreciated the support off so the criticism because helped us grow as brand. That just meant that. We had to read a lot more books. That just meant that. We had to provide a lot more educational tools in the store and we designed the store actually twice to meet those demands right before I Open. Our Education Board was limited mainly because we didn't know what we needed to say as in what was helpful for clients But we did that. Education Board up probably a month after we quit because we realize this was a need that the thing will happen. And also we designed it to have a section where there's books available and as we were developing We started really working closely with Dr Chin. Slow the education side key much more up I think. Full breath a later on at war. Spawning for clients needs and with that being said to will. We redesigned the wall. Titrate was something that people don't understand. There's something I didn't understand when I first started down now and we realize that reading milligrams chew volumes to very very confusing and a Lotta time clients. Come in like I'm taking CD and it's not working and it will go. Kay how how much you taking a whole? What does that mean France? We don't know what was the bottle we don't know so. We realized that the map is fear that there there needed to be a little bit more guidelines on on intake and all that so we designed a section of the shop to be focused tight tradition. Which is that. You know exactly what you're taking with formulation Ran You're taking. And then we started designing a little Serving guides for clients so every time when a client walks away. They're walking away with a serving guy to to to couple with whatever off a so. All of that was really feedback. We've talked all the clients interaction that we had at the beginning of arts. One question that was on my mind when I was speaking with people about cbd was what dosages are needed to actually get an effect CBD products on the market. Have potencies of anywhere from one hundred thousands of milligram per one ounce bottle of oil when I reviewed the available scientific literature found that there wasn't a lot of information. Available EPA dialects clinical trials utilized. Essages a five milligrams per kilogram of body weight up to twenty milligrams per kilogram of body weight or around three hundred ten milligrams to nearly fifteen hundred milligrams for an average sized person in two thousand nineteen. There was a review of dosages that were utilized in published. Cbd Studies and it was found that dosages below around two and a half milligrams per kilogram of body weight were largely ineffective at treating most of the conditions that were being measured except for things like sleep disorders anxiety now that would be around one hundred fifty milligrams of CBD for an average person however the research on CD dosing complicated by the fact that CBD exhibits unique efficacy when it's administered isolation versus when it's administered in the presence of other cannabinoid peens and other fighter chemistry from the cannabis plant many clinicians that. I spoke with commented that they were seeing much better results at lower dosages with broad or full spectrum. Cbd versus isolate. It was interesting when we first started out. We thought half of our patients didn't want THC in their product. This is Dr James Taylor. A pain physician working in. North Carolina ever since hemp became federally legal in the United States. He's been working with his patients to understand how him extracts and CBD particularly might be a tool to help treat chronic pain so we gave him just CBD in the others did one a little. Thc In what we found is are once again in the waiting room the people who were trying the CBD products the ones that had a little bit of THC and had a full spectrum for having profound results. Those that were on the isolate weren't having such profound results so it was in the waiting room that the patients were talking so when they came back to the office visit they said. Hey I don't WanNa take the damn taken. I want to think it was the patients that were coming back telling us that the full spectrum was superior over an isolate so I'm assuming these large doses that folks need with the the deal oxen the CBD isolate is because a inferior product. And you can take much less. If you're taking a full spectrum product I asked Dr Taylor what dosages. He was noticing that his patients were finding relief with and this is what he had to say. My patients tend to be the poor and the elderly. They don't have a lot of money. Sure so we always recommend them to to start low. Go slow riots kind of in the industry. Everybody says that well our patients have to because they can't afford a thousand milligrams model and they've got they can. Were the two hundred fifty milligram bottle in so a lot of our patients tend to find relief in the eight to fifteen milligram A day range and I feel like a lot of that is is financial pressure. That can help. Keep them there Those that seem to be a little bit more successful Typically get up to thirty to forty milligrams a day and I am seeing in very general terms because we have patients with all kinds of different pain problems whether it's a inflammatory component or it's a it's a bone on bone type of pain or a neuropathic type of pain They're all different some generalizations but we have books that are taking two milligrams a day And some that are taking two hundred milligrams a day. So it's very hard for me to say what Milligram Works for folks So I do like to go start. Low go slow in. Just find a really where you're going to settle in but for me that's also we found that also doesn't make sense either because it's the cannabinoid profile That really makes a difference and we started seeing this in our practice. In the we were obtaining a product from a one extractor and then we started obtaining products from another extractor and our patients were having completely different effects. Right used to make me sleep now. It makes me awake and we were Lincoln cash. It's it's the same. No we looked under the hood and looked at the cannabinoid profile and it was a completely different ratio are there was hardly any. Thc In this product and there was nearly point three percent. Thc In this so we started realizing white. Cbd is kind of a In this industry while we've been talking about CBD other minutes easy for the consumer to think like that but it's really cannabinoid bright and it's these ratios cannabinoid. They're important and I think that's what really stimulated us to say. Gosh we have to start looking at this a little differently in but little more scientifically in. It's so much more complex than we realized. Reynosa we did a lot of retrospective data looking at these thousands of patients. We have taken this over the last two years in when we plotted out. It was not anything that we expected. And I wish I could show you an example where we put a positive responders in shades of green and a negative responders to a particular Whether we're talking about sleep or pain or anxiety In shades of red and it was just a mixture of green and red so. Cd's now this wonderful thing. That's going to turn everybody green and it works for everybody. Know it half the people working positively for in the other half. It's working negatively for all different things done. That's when we realized this is very complex Very individualized and I think that's what we started really paying attention To we need to start looking at people's genetics and epigenetics so we understand what they're bringing to the table And then I think eventually at the end of the day it's matching those up a genetics with certain cannabinoid profiles in order to modulate the system to a desired effect. I also asked Wendy would dosages. She was using to manage some of her pain and anxiety symptoms. So I remember I read all the books I said Micra Dunes and so I started with five milligrams. I didn't really feel much on five. Hogan's to newly I had an episode. A really really bad and I so can not working so I just took fifty. I said Yeah fifty which was not a good idea it. It worked wonders. Shifty was incredible. It really helped with my pain I also had a patch onto as well so I was kicking milligrams twice a day as documented and then I realized that after three or four days it stopped working like it perfect then it stopped working out back to Dr Juno Latte and I said what's happening like fifty was gray and the now's not working and she said potentially you might have kept on your tolerance you went. You went up to high now. Your body's just not passing it correctly in that sense and so we're to another formulation from me and that one had empty to L. which I didn't know So my own journey would see. Vdi recorded everything. And I've realized someone needs to. At least give me much more of a helping hand when I first started. And that's why we're so much more careful when it comes to our clients of artists that we really wanted to with the whole time but now. I know what my therapeutic doses whenever episode. I know what that is I would. Just go back to my. You know my microdosing periods after that was perfect and then would I don't need I just don't want to go that high. The frequency of dosing is very important because CBD liked THC lingers in the body and can accumulate over time with repeated dosing so it may be that low dosages of CBD might be effective when taken regularly but when acute relief is required in the moment higher. Dosages may be needed. Some people have a very profound effect after taking it initially and within the first couple days but the majority of my patients don't feel anything For weeks sometimes takes up two months for them to eventually things to start change so it's very subtle in so medicines typically have a very profound effect of It will lower your blood pressure. Your blood sugar do something you know very predictable at a predictable dose and CBD in Cannabinoid Medicine. Right now is kind of the opposite. There is no does we. Don't the the the effects that you're going to get taking? This are not predictable. So I think educating My patients in the community. That don't think of this as a medicine. You know really think it's closer to a nutritional supplement. Then I feel that it is a medicine at this point because we don't understand it we know it's modulating and changing your cabinet system but modulating and changing and in what ways rain-soaked bus yet. So a lot of this is just hit or miss in for me It being a position that's dealing with the OPIOID crisis. I don't have a lot to lose right. Sixty THOUSAND AMERICANS ARE DYING EVERY YEAR. And how we need a Hail. Mary In order for this to you know for our country to change in so for me. It felt good bringing something like this into the practice of medicine because we had nothing to lose It is positively affecting our patients. We are able to reduce their dependency on narcotics. And you know we are slowly getting there. But that's only because my organization is set up like that but for a patient who's on narcotic that just think they're gonNa buy this off the shelf and it's GonNa miraculously work very hard to make this work without having a healthcare professional or nurse that you could call or someone to help guide you through this process. You're going to be lost so clearly. People are having some sometimes profound experiences CD. But how does he did? He actually affect the body like all other cannabinoid. Cbd has not incredibly by available in the body most of the CBD that anyone ingest is simply excreted either unmet metabolize or as what's called a conjugated sugar meaning that a glucose molecule adhere to the CBD molecule as it passed through the body now some of the CD that's ingested sticks to other life affiliated or oil loving tissues in the body like fat which keeps from circulating in the body and reaching sites of action but for those molecules CBD that do make it into the bloodstream and get circulated throughout the body. An interesting series of events begins to take place first of all. It's important to know that. Cbd has a very very low affinity for either CB one or C two receptor. Which as you may remember from episode six of the podcast these are the two primary chemical receptors that make up into Connecticut System. Instead of directly affecting tabloid receptors CD tints to stimulate these receptors indirectly by affecting the production breakdown of Indo cabinets that the body produces on. Its own as mentioned before. Cbd's stimulates the production of Ananta Mine. Which is a partial agonists or stimulator of CB ONE NC two receptors much like thc additionally CD inhibits enzyme called fatty acid. A my hydro lease also known as far or F. A. H. Which would typically break down in the end mine as well as a lot of other things in the body. This allows the anatomy that the body produces to linger in the body longer the stimulating canaveral interceptors for a long time. At least theoretically you could think of this as CD nudging the Indo cabinet system to do its own thing rather than completely hijacking. The system altogether which is kind of what? Thc does that's not to say that the activity of THC is bad or undesirable. It's just very different now. Cbd also interacts with a putative cannabinoid receptor called GP are fifty five the GP are stands for g protein coupled receptor which is the type of chemical receptor. That canaveral interceptors are a little technical vocabulary now G. PR fifty five is thought to be responsible for some. Cd's anti epileptic activity among other things. In addition to these effects on into AIDS and cabinet receptors CD interacts with a lot of other chemical receptors including Vanna later sceptres like tr PV. One Trip v one which are also referred to as kept sason receptors because kept saying the chemical responsible for the spiciness and peppers. Also stimulates van alert receptors. Cbd also interacts with Serotonin receptors commonly associated with mood. Sleep and blood pressure. It also influences the activity of denizen receptors commonly associated with heart health and it also interact with p. p. a. r. Gamma receptors which are linked to insulin resistance and diabetes among other things. In addition to inhibiting enzymes that break down to mine. Cbd also has potent inhibitory effects on a group of liver enzymes called the site of Chrome P for fifty signs which are responsible for metabolising. Many common drugs this inhibitory effect is commonly referred to as the grapefruit effect because grapefruits are well known to cause the same enzyme inhibition. In fact you may have once been prescribed a medication that featured a label on the bottle that cautioned against taking with grapefruit one of the most well known drug interactions with CBD is with a blood thinning drug called warfare. Yes so as an anesthesiologist and pain position as a very heavy into interventional procedures. I'm always concerned about Kundun. To interject for just a second in case you don't know commit in. Is War friend Anna up in? We know that it's metabolism in delivered by the side of the people were the system in. That's with CBD consumers. You should be thinking about that as well And there were some studies out there to say that it could affect some bleeding times but we had not seen that clinically so our patients who were taking this were honor Kundun. Into we got laboratory tests we could not see their bleeding times change so I think theoretically it is possible but I'm not seeing clinically. What we do see clinically. Which could be worrisome. Is that when you are taking a CD product in your stimulating your system which I like to refer to as your inner physician. It's kind of nature's way of keeping balance in healing yourself is. Your Body is starting to heal end. Maybe it is competing with the site across four fifty system for certain drugs plasma levels of these anti hypertensive czar diabetic medications could theoretically be bolstered. A little in with your health becoming Improved we're finding patients needing to get off these medications So a patient Who sticking a blood pressure medicine? We don't recommend them taking her. Cbd At the same time they take their blood pressure. We make we ask them to take that two hours after that So we'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT DIZZINESS. Or dropping one rusher in we really encourage them every patient That gets on. Cd Go to your primary care doctor. First and let them know you're taking this and have them start to monitor your blood pressure diabetics and so you can reduce these medications if you're able to Under their care for consumers to go out and try to do that on their own. I feel is is very risky. So you know that that. We haven't seen any problems in patients. But I feel like problems are just right around the corner if we as physicians aren't monitoring these patients as diligent as you need to. Cbd also has been demonstrated exacerbate the negative side effects of some epilepsy. Drugs like Valpo Acid because of these kinds of interactions. It's important that anyone taking CD with other medications do so under the supervision of a healthcare provider to stay safe one thing. That should be mentioned here. Is that so far? We've been talking about how. Cbd By itself and isolation interacts with the body when CBD is present in a complex mixture like cannabis extract with dozens or hundreds of other compounds or when it's formulated in. A food or topical product with other ingredients effects can be very different. A hint extract product should be judged by the total formulation not just the quality of the hemp extract used as a single ingredient in the product. It's also possible to manipulate the. Absorption and bioavailability of CBD using technologies like Nanno Mulsim was a process of breaking up a CD extract into the tiny tiny droplets the size of nanometer. Which is one billionth of a meter. And then these tiny droplets are surrounded by a little water friendly casing. What this does is it. Allows the oil droplets to remain suspended in an aqueous solution keeps the oil droplets from coming back together to one another. And this is how you make. What's often termed water soluble? Cbd But it's kind of a misnomer. There's really no such thing as water. Soluble CBD really. What's being made is kind of what would be referred to as a call away at something that remains suspended in solution that doesn't settle or rejoin It's not really soluble in water. But I digress. So far we've mostly been talking about how. Cd affects the body when it's ingested or inhaled. But what about the effects of CBD? On the skin there are all sorts of chemical receptors in the skin including cannabinoid receptors. Just like you have in other parts of your body in general when CD's applied to the skin or topically it only affects the area where it's applied exception is when CBD is Applied Trans Termoli usually with a patch these are similar like kept saying in patches or even nicotine patches in their specially formulated with ingredients. That will help carry things through the skin. That normally would have a hard time penetrating if can avenue. It's like CPA can soak through the outer layer of the skin the epidermis and reached the lower layer of the skin the durmus than it could end up reaching blood vessels and then getting into the blood and being distributed throughout the body. But we'll see B D actually help keep your skin healthy right now. Currently in the market. There's much there's a seavy. Beauty focused product star. Willoughby's does usually between oil or a beauty. Serra whatever it is right not necessarily like a clean base like like the treatment Roger that sense so I think a lot of times clients when they have asked me. They are association. Oil means more oil. Right right it's gonNA produce more oil right so right accusations so to break down that association to treat with oil is it takes some time for people to get used to you know if your if your skin issue. I think with fires much more intensive care we do suggest you to internally to take it as a tincture also a method to us. Well Abby. A- I find that to be romy percent the best approach as much as we advocate taking it for time and then stopped me. I did that myself. I took it for eight months straight and then I stopped taking two months to see what were wise and all that and the first thing. That was my skin by really. Oh yeah very like that was the first thing I noticed my skin wasn't as Halsey was as a internally glowing not like internally glowing As it was when I was on it that was my outside of the pain. Management course at that was my biggest motivator nowadays whenever meet people that was the first thing they say that your skin looks naturally low in honestly nothing's changed but my just the incorporation of CD my life to with you so you can see that. Cbs activity in the body is diverse and complex. We still don't understand the whole picture yet. And don't let anybody tell you otherwise yet despite our lack of knowledge about CBD evidence does seem to indicate that it's a pretty safe compound even if some regulatory agencies disagree. I've seen a lot of people. Conflate even an presentations at conferences can flay the side effect profile of pure. Cbd At high dosage to see bb in general. And that's not a fair comparison. I would save a Connecticut. Dial despite its many complex mechanisms of action is an extremely safe drug with very few adverse events the most common adverse effects associated with CBD or things like lethargy appetite disruptions and gastro intestinal distress. But everyone reacts to things differently and an uncommon cases. Some people may react unfavourably. Cbd just like they might anything else but like THC. It's incredibly difficult if not impossible to overdose or die from using CBD at extremely high dosages of fifteen milligrams per kilogram of body weight or higher. It is possible to cause liver damage with CBD but it's also very uncommon for anyone to ever take dosages that high to put this into perspective that equates to a dose of around one gram of pure cbd for someone that weighs around one hundred and forty pounds or sixty two kilograms for someone like myself that weighs closer to two hundred pounds that does have be closer to grandma and a half or fifteen hundred milligrams of CBD to put this issue into better perspective. Consider THAT MOST CD. Products readily available in the market have serving sizes feature doses of between five and fifty milligrams of CBD According to the Safety Data Sheet for EPA DIALECTS CBD is tolerated well in humans orally at dosages up to fifteen hundred milligrams per day based on the history of research that exists. It's clear that. Cbd has a lot of potential as a medicine. Research indicates it may be effective at treating things like anxiety. Depression sleep various forms of specificity pain. Bacterial Infections and inflammation. When it comes to skin treatment it might be effective in battling acne and regulating inflammation of the skin. It is true a lot more research is still needed to understand how to best unlocked therapeutic potential CD but it's clear that CD is certainly not another snake oil but like many things there's a lot of nuance around the topic. One of the big issues that needs to be understood as what dosages are needed to elicit therapeutic effects while we have a pretty good understanding of what dosages not to exceed to stay safe. We don't have a clear picture of what dosages to shoot forward to achieve targeted therapeutic effects under different conditions this is why many consumers of CBD are leaving it up to trial and error to find the dose that works best for them and then of course the other sneaky problem is at would dosages CBD actually active and which dosages are people mostly just experiencing placebo effects. This is a problem that plagues cannabis research. Broadly and we need to understand these issues. Better course another side to the puzzle is if people are experiencing placebo effects than is that necessarily a bad thing considering the safety profile of CBD. My personal opinion is Maybe it's not such a bad thing as long as you're not breaking the bank to get CD in the first place and this brings us back around to where we started in that CD products currently. You're heavily inflated in value although the CB market is rapidly devaluing and we should see the prices of a lot of CD products. Come much more in line with traditional herbal supplements in years to come. I think it's also critical to acknowledge that. Cd is not a wonder drug. It provides relief for some people facing certain conditions. But it doesn't help everyone in fact in some research. Trials CD actually exacerbated symptoms like seizures. Specificity in some people as we've discussed before on this podcast. There's no such thing as a magic bullet drug natural product or plant. That's going to provide nothing but positive benefits to all people all of the time. That's just not the way things work however clearly. Cbd HOLD SOME SERIOUS POTENTIAL. So let's briefly review. We've learned we've learned that. Cd is a common can have found hemp varieties of cannabis. But it's found in most varieties of cannabis in general varying concentrations. Cbd's not intoxicating THC is however it is psychoactive because it does affect neurons research into CBD really took off in the nineteen seventies and eighties but researchers didn't really begin to understand how CD affected the body until the early two thousands see but he doesn't interact with cannabinoid receptors very much directly but see but he does interact with cadaver interceptors indirectly by stimulating. The production. Of Mine in inhibiting the INS. I'm far or F. A. H. That would typically break into my down. Cbd Interacts with a host of other chemical receptors. In the body including miscellaneous g protein coupled receptors Fanta Lloyd receptors serotonin receptors denison receptors and gamma receptors and there are others interacts with as well. Cd inhibits enzymes in the liver that are responsible for breaking down many common drugs which can lead to elevated concentrations of those drugs in the body because of this. It's important to communicate with your healthcare provider if you're taking. Cd ALONG WITH OTHER MEDICATIONS. That may be affected. By the grapefruit effect is generally well tolerated by most people at dosages as high as one thousand five hundred milligrams per day common side effects include lethargy gastrointestinal distress and appetite changes at dosages above fifteen milligrams per kilogram of bodyweight liver. Damage could begin to take place the L. D. Fifty of CBD is thought to be somewhere about two hundred milligrams per kilogram of body weight or over twelve grams of pure cd for an average size person. Cbd's exhibited promises a medicine to treat things like epilepsy anxiety. Depression material infections pain inflammation and ACSI among other things but more research is needed to properly understand exactly what CDs effective at treating and at what doses currently the only CD pharmaceutical approved in the United States is drug called EPA dialects for the treatment of certain forms of epilepsy in children. In other countries you could also find. Tvd in the cannabis dried pharmaceuticals which features a standardized cannabis extract with equal parts CBD and THC CD's seems to be most effective at dosages above two and a half milligrams per kilogram of body weight or above around one hundred fifty milligrams for an average person. Though there is evidence that some people may find relief at much lower dosages the form of C B D can affect its efficacy and every clinician. I spoke to recommended broader full spectrum. Cbd Extracts over isolates and that it's best to start at a very very low sub clinical dose and slowly. Titrate your way up until you find your minimum effective dose so is CBD Hero. Her just hype. Well it certainly seems that for some CD is very much a welcome hero. There's no question that it's an effective treatment for some conditions for some people it can be quite safe and it could help treat a wide variety of conditions without getting people high however. I must point out that research has indicated that. Cbd tends to be much more effective in the presence of Thc so as TAC FREE CD products at the market. Keep in mind that those products might not be as effective as a product that contains at least a little bit of THC but for all of the promise of CBD. There's still a lot of unfounded hype for consumers to Wade through. It's critical that consumers pay attention to the quality of CBD products as well as the dosages many CBD products feature incredibly low concentrations a CD that are likely sub therapeutic in addition CB products can be quite expensive leaving consumers paying out fortunes for low potency sub therapeutic products and this trend is unlikely to go away anytime soon. Knew HIM HBEXTRACT products featuring other lesser known contaminates like CBGB'S CBC and CBN are already quickly gaining market buzz. And it won't be long before CD passes the hype torch onto these other tabloids. And with that. I'm your host Jason Wilson. Thanks so much for listening. Stay curious and take it easy. Thanks to our guests that were so gracious and spending time with me for interviews. That helped construct not just this episode but other episodes throughout the season to check out the citations for this episode. And there are plenty. 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21. Plant Medicine: Exploring Medical Cannabis and CBD| Dr Dani Gordon

The Holistic Healing Project

54:07 min | 10 months ago

21. Plant Medicine: Exploring Medical Cannabis and CBD| Dr Dani Gordon

"Welcome to the hill healing project. A podcast explores how we can optimize our health. Poor body's natural ability to heal and deepen relationships to ourselves each other on the planet. I'm your host. Dr laura mcdonald and each week. I'll be bringing conversations the range of experts and thought leaders to empower and inspire. You on your own journey of halen. Hello welcome back to the forecast. It's lobby tabby hair. And i hope you're having a good week so far so this week. I'm sharing conversation all about cannabis. And i'm joined by dr danny gordon and integrative medical doctor and a cannabis expert danny co-founded the uk medical cannabis clinician society. And she's also helped set up the. Uk's i cannabis clinics. She also works really hard to support drug policy reform both in the uk and worldwide. So this is a fascinating conversation. We dive into medical cannabis in the various indications for it we talk about. Cbd oil in the wellness industry and we'll talk about the cannabis plant on the various capital. It's in terms of things. Like cbd thc c and at the end cab annoyed system. Which is this incredible system that we have in our human body which enables these cap annoyed to work on our body to support a health wellness. And who knows what else in the future. There is some evidence that it can really help. Support certain conditions and personally. I'm really interested in the research on cannabis and cancer although it's pretty preliminary it's fascinating so i did us down a little bit about that We'll talk about the legality of medical cannabis and prescribing issues in the u. k. What she's finding what she's coming up against so it's really rich varied conversation and i hope you enjoy it if you do. Please take a moment to rate and review. And i'll be back again with more podcast episodes in the near future. Hi danny thank you so much for joining me today. How i well thank you for having me. Oh it's such a pleasure. I've been wanting to speak to you for ages. You you are such an inspiration. I love everything you're doing. And the way that you've got into cannabis. Medicine fascinates me the fight. You've the cow coming out is wonderful. Congratulations see it's the biggest incubating care my pleasure. So if anyone is thing who hasn't come across before you are double sets fight and that means that you have to qualifications in family medicine and then also an integrative medicine and then you've moved into the field of cannabis medicine and cbd side love to just start by first finding out what does integrated medicine mean because in the uk. We don't have that as a specialty. This recognized so integrated medicine is something i did. It's qualification aided in the us. It's basically evidence based natural medicine combined with conventional medicine so the focuses of the training and especially itself are different areas with in natural medicine. That does have a lot of evidence. So i do a lot of mind body medicine so i teach people how to calm their minds. How to meditate how to use mindfulness practices How to use relax therapies and the other kind of arm of integrated medicine that i really focus on his botanical medicine. And of course the medicines plant medicine. And that's really how i got into canvas. So cannabis is one of the plants us and really integrated medicine as a whole is really focused on giving the best care the best holistic care to patients. And that's why it fits in so well with primary care family medicine because when patients come to see us. Laura's you know they have so many overlapping issues and of course. I'm not against using drug therapy when we need to. But if we don't need to if there's another way or we can use drug therapy and something else. That's more natural to help people in a more holistic fashion to get the less side effects to give them still a great outcome. That's really the focus of integrated medicine so it is a fully qualified specialty of conventional medicine in the united states. You have to be a medical doctor to take the training and then as a full residency program. Now just like any other specialties. So so that's my background. I got into it. Because i've always been interested in medicine and when i went to medical school fifteen years ago now. I thought that i was going to learn a lot of these things. And how to make people healthy and how to empower people that their health and their wellness and they're just general health and wellbeing. And in someone. I learned i learned really a disease management system and a really big focus on drugs which of course we really need in many circumstances and think are we have it but what i was seeing when i got into practice almost ten years ago was my patients. Were not responding just to drugs for a lot of these. Chronic conditions for stress. Anxiety insomnia burnout. Even things like auto immune diseases and all these other things. I was seeing these chronic conditions. The they wanted something something that was going to get the left side effects. Maybe to add to a drug therapy maybe sometimes to replace a drug therapy And that's really how i started doing. Integrated medicine in my practice. Went to the states took all the training and got qualified and the last one that i actually introduced with this cannabis. Lead you to bring that into your practice was patient stories or a personal story. Yeah is it was a combination so you really ever since i graduated ten years ago. There's been a lot of patients in my practice using cannabis. I was even though they didn't have a prescription and back. Then there wasn't a prescription. There was a compassionate care kind of exemption in canada. Way back then. That's if you had a very serious painful. Chronic condition in epilepsy was also included. That you could grow a few plants. You could apply to the government. It was like a human rights case. Went to the high court's so i did have a few patients who were growing a bit of cannabis and these patients had chronic pain. Some of them had logical conditions. Sullen penn mental health conditions I had one community. I worked in in british columbia. They had an herbalist who was not a medical person but he was just a self taught. Blessed who'd been passed down this knowledge in his family and he was actually making some my my patients who were palliative who at the end of their life with various conditions neurological progressive conditions Cancers that were very advanced stage with a cannabis tinctures to decrease the amount of morphine. They had to take for their pain and their comfort. And and so. There was all these sources of cannabis just floating around in my patients. Were really educating me. So i guess about six years ago. I started educating myself. In sort of learning about the difference between teach. Cbd and i wasn't giving prescription because again the market had it really evolved that yet. But i was saying these to my patients like whoa. Can you grow something that you think you can find a way to grow. Hi in the higher this thing called. Cbd we barely knew anything about at that point. But i was just kind of dabbling around and trying to create these home grown solutions for them. And then i wrote my first prescription. I started to get asked to in some cannabis clinics. The first few i got asked i turned down because it was a dispensary model and it was like a five minute consultation. It was really just kind of a treadmill for patients. So i turned it down and that was that was way back in two thousand. Fourteen doesn't thirteen thousand and fourteen. Then i was approached again in two thousand sixteen. This time i said yes. And i joined practice So i had my own practice within this connecticut clinic and i did my practice cut my own way. I only saw patients who had a referral from another doctor to see me. I really wanted to strains they were using and really kind of more of botanical medicine. Approach and also get an integrated most therapies to go along with their cannabis and it just started working so well for people. i saw. Thousands of people like this cannabis was able to provide relief. Symptom relief for some patients who had failed every drug therapy for a lot of these chronic conditions. Both mental health conditions physical conditions. It wasn't carrying them but it was literally transforming their life their quality of life in a way that nothing outside ever prescribed is a single intervention in conventional medicine ever had or even as a single herbal intervention ever had so i just became a real advocate for patients being able to access. It can abrogate therapy. Can we take it right back to the basic science. Because there's a reason that can always work on the human bodies and and i know we weren't torture and medical school. This is new to me so be wonderful. If you could dive into the end can cannot system and just explained the listeners. Just why cannabis works on the human body so as you said lord. We didn't learn about this medical school. And that's why cannabis was really the last thing to add onto my botanical medicine practice. Because i had a lot of misinformation about cannabis. I had been told medical school as i'm sure you probably were. That cannabis was a drug abuse. Had no medicinal value. No place in medicine and in fact it could make our patients go crazy. Get psychotic It was a drug to be feared and to be put in the addictions. You all of this percents. Go to the dixon's medicine specialist if they're using cannabis everyday. So that's the woods told and then as i really educated myself about can apple noise and cannabis discovered that yes. We have our own system in the body. And in the brain that makes our own cannabis like peptides molecules little chemicals that float around in the brain and the body. It's just like our endorphin system. We haven't endorphin system these feel good and that's things like morphine work on the body and we have a stress response system like adrenaline and cortisol. That's why we can respond under threat in run away from tiger and the system that produces these type of cannabis like chemicals. It's really really unique in that. It almost acts as a skin like a layer that sits over top of all of the other hormone systems and basically a brain chemical systems in the body. So it's almost like the orchestrator all of these other systems so it. Almost as one level above the serotonin or happy hormones system the stress response system and it regulates is kind of like the conductor if you will and kind of just helps keep everything in balance in our brain and in our body so it's the balancing system in our brain in our body. When i first found out about this i was completely shocked because i said oh my god. How can there be this overarching. Balancing system in our brains in our bodies that is involved by making cannabis like chemicals and we don't know about her. We didn't learn about it because in fact we did know about it but we just weren't taught about it so we've known about this since nineteen ninety when they discovered this system. What does this system actually do what it's involved from everything from sleep wake cycles so when you get to sleep stay asleep helping recover from trauma so we have a traumatic thing. Happen to us. Whether it's a mental trauma or physical trauma. It helps the brain recover quicker. It is involved with appetite regulation. It's involved in immune system regulation so when the system is performing too high when we have this auto immune response like in inflammatory bowel disease and rheumatoid arthritis these types of things or if the system is not functioning enough so we have an underperforming immune system. It helps in what's called programmed cell death so a pop toasts so if a if a cell is not performing well in this turning into like a cancer cell or pre cancer cell it gets rid of it so it's involved in every system. It's evolved in our got literally. Every body system has tabloids functioning in in our female reproductive system in our stress response. You name it then. The canabal annoyed family the cannabis like chemicals. We make are playing a role and the cool thing. Is we really involved with the cannabis plant over the millions of years. So the molecules. The chemicals at the cannabis plant makes in nature. They can actually be used in our body in a very similar. Not exactly the same. But a similar way that are natural cannabis like chemicals used so when our system is getting out of balance for whatever reason like many systems that our brain and our body become out of balance. Then we can use what's called plant cannabinoid cytokine app annoyed so thc cd and the hundreds of other compounds in the plant and we can put them in our body and it has a similar effect on this system. so incredible. And i just believe we weren't told about that it's crazy. You know this incredible moss conductor that can do these things you've mentioned. Thc quite a few times. And i know that some people maybe who've not really heard much about cannabis or maybe still think of cannabis as you know. We'd or i is recreational really i to explore a little bit more about that you'll compounds of this incredible plant because i know there's lots of words used things like hemp marijuana and then you've got the tape. Cd's if you could just give us a breakdown of those. That'd be really helpful. So the first thing to probably kind of clarify. What difference between marijuana and cannabis so marijuana is another term for the cannabis plant. It's not really a technical term. I don't like to use the term marijuana anymore. After i found out the roots of the word in how the roots the word were fine. But how was then utilized. Historically is not so fine so marijuana actually a slang word in spanish that was used by the mexican population to refer to cannabis. That's fine but in the one thousand nine hundred eighty s. This was really usurped by the powers of being the us. Government forces so forth to really portray cannabis as in quoted demonizing quite racist fashion so marijuana craze marijuana rage and it was using a racist anti-black anti-mexican campaign against the plants aims was corrupting the white youths. Things plant was creating hysteria and violence in rage. And all these things that actually work. Don't happen with the cannabis plant. Yes here's can make you feel don't if you take a lot of it but a lot of these other things that were being Associate with the plan but completely incorrect and it was really a mass information campaign against the plant. So i don't like the marijuana because of that because of those historical roots so cannabis is really the name that i prefer so cannabis is the name for all of the different types of the plant. So you can have cannabis plant that is classified as hemp plant and what that means is. The hemp is a variety of the cannabis plant. That's been bred certain way over many many years to contain really low amounts of. Thc the stuff that people associate with makino fuel high. So it's very tiny manatees sea and very high amounts of either plant chemicals like cb the one that doesn't make you feel high and many others and also is used to rope fiber so hemp clothing hemp parts that we find that whole foods grocery stores now everywhere. I went to see a friend the other day. She was saying airbnb. And the abbey was made of his it could hemp crete. It's like concrete. It was incredible such a beautiful and it's actually a really nice finish as well. Chris amazing exactly so building materials. There's actually batteries that you can make out of how how business such an incredible material. And that's the reason. I love the cannabis plant because we're in an age now where we wanted to be sustainable as well as being healthy and that's often really hard with a lot of the health foods that we have but cannabis you can use the whole plant. You can use it for him. Create you can use it to produce batteries and store energy. You can use it to make clothing. You can ingest it. You can eat it. Certain parts of the plant so see. That's really help him and cannabis with high. Thc they're they're basically regulated differently by governments and stuff so basically you can grow hemp as a farmer in many places. But you can't grow cannabis that has lots of that high. Thc to make people feel high so the cannabis that has really that had higher thc naturally the t she actually wasn't that high naturally over the years on the black market. They bred this plant on the drug. What we call the drug strain and overtime this is a simplification but basically over time. What happened is people who wanted to buy illegally in order to you know. Get into an ultra alternator. A high of course they want really really high. Thc cannabis so back in the sixties when you know our parents and maybe even grandparents were king. We'd they were probably consuming cannabis that had maybe three to six percent. Thc so it wouldn't really make them very hot. But now in the modern day on the black market you get cannabis has been bred to have between twenty to thirty percent thc so it gets you really high. And that's been part of the reason why we think that. On the kind of the black market side the non side of cannabis people have had more and more adverse reactions to this type of drug strength canvas over the years because the thc levels are just so high and cannabis is a power plant. So thc can make you feel high in does make you you. High in large amounts however it's also international compound in very small controlled amounts for many different types of chronic diseases so for example just like any other power plant like the cacao plan even like coffee than drinking now. If you overuse these very powerful plant chemicals they become a negative and that's what we've seen over time with. Thc and breeding these high screens in the black market to basically people high without any worry about any medicinal value. The plant half so. That's kind of the historical context of cannabis as a whole so interesting and it really highlights. Why at medical school we were tool cannabis equals potential psychosis issue. Did you need to be concerned. If people is on cannabis actually at its root said it's origins it. Was you know it could have had so much potential for medicine and a legal. It was actually driven the. Thc was driven up. Which i didn't realize us really into yes exactly exactly and i do a lot of work in drug reform policy reform and this is why because a lot of these decisions governments make trying to think that they're doing something good and really causing more harm so the harm reduction approach that i'm really fond of is really hurt by some of these changes. That people may try to protect a population. That's really helpful. Thank you. I know that you've just written a book called the cbd bible so if we focus on cbd first before we get into medical medicinal cannabis. The you've mentioned some conditions that you treat people with using see and i know. Cbd now you can buy in holland umbrella. And it's very inaccessible in the uk. Common conditions that you recommend cbd for for everybody even people who feel relatively well. Is it something that you encourage everyone to try. What your thoughts on that. It's a great question. So of all the cbc bible. It's it is about cbd and all the other plant chemicals is while an medical cannabis but of course for publishing purposes the c. Bible sounded a lot better than the medical. I wanted to call it. The medicinal cannabis bible and my publishers. Like it's not quite as catchy. So yes so. When i treat people in a medical context so i do work on the medical side were prescribing. People thinks like drugs and botanical 's including medical cannabis. And then i do work on the wellness side. Where i put on my wellness hot and i do corporate wellness idea of out of work in the the nonprescription space so when many medical hat on and medical connected homes giving someone to prescription for something medical cannabis always has a little bit of thc in normally most most strains that we would use. So what i usually do. Is i start with a high. Cbd low thc in the medical context for most conditions. Especially someone has never tried cannabis ever because the last thing i want to do is for them to leave the clinic with this prescription. And they might get some pain relief but they feel high with medical cannabis most of my patients pretty much all of them. They do not want to fuel high. Do not want to control. They just want to manage their symptoms. Whether it's pain specificity. Whatever it is. So the typical person who comes to see us in the cannabis and there's many of them now would come for chronic pain conditions neurological conditions again. Not a cure but to help with things like everything from epilepsy. Seizure disorders to symptoms of parkinson's disease symptom control multiple sclerosis symptom control. I also see a lot of mental health conditions so treatment resistant depression to resistant anxiety. Ptsd difficult to treat sleeping problems. Insomnia i also see people with autoimmune diseases like crohn's disease inflammatory. Bowel ulcerative colitis Remotely right as lupus. And that's when music gets too high and that's another set of conditions. Where a lot of time. Adding a high cbd cannabis products usually in an oil or capsule to a lotta times. They've already been on drug therapy. And i'm still writes systems. We're trying to get them down on their steroids and tried to take them up on something like cannabis which is a natural anti inflammatory to help with their symptom control but also their side effect profile. Make people feel really awful and they have a lot of really bad long term side effects the way that we use high. Cbd medical cannabis is so varied. And i do a lot of training for doctors now and a lot of them will say the first time we me. How can it work. All these things must be snake oil. It's not possible but the reason it is possible against because back to this endo cannabinoid system. We have this system in her body. That's using these these chemicals plant in the got in our brain pain pathways in the nervous system. So that is why it works so many things because doing so many jobs in the brain and the body does not have chest. This point i know that potentially cannabis can help with information and reducing side to kind stool which is being talked about a lot with covert. Has anyone approached you and said. Do you think the cannabis could be helpful with patients covert. Yes it's very early on in the epidemic. I was contacted quite a bit. And of course my early on advice was very very cautious and it was mostly receiving positive manner but of course i get some people who say cannabis cures everything. I can't you're saying you're not shouting from the rooftops in it's gonna cure covid. Of course everyone cove is a really scary time for people and everyone wants this amazing plant which does so many other things to be the cure for kovin. It's not the cure for kobe but certainly Now that we understand the senate storm now and even very early on. I was telling my patients definitely like upto your vitamin d. And your other supplements that can potentially help the immune system like life is vitamin c. These types of things but we didn't know what the cabinets were going to do since then we think based on basically taking what we know about this storm saying. Steroids method this steroid drug. It works to help reduce the death rate of code when people are really sick already well. Cd can do something very similar to method. We use cbd in children who need methodism for a specific type of immune responsive of seizure disorder. Epilepsy so that's really interesting. We use it for that and we transition them onto cd because it's toxic for these children. So yes i think he may have a role but we have no idea about the dosing. What stage someone should start. Tie dosing compared to the mess decks and methods zone. We don't really have any idea of that yet as far as thc goes. I also get a lot of questions about well. I like to use. Thc recreationally or using medicinal. And i use very high. Thc from really bad chronic pain because some people who use high thc. You're quite used to it and they don't feel high anymore from in some people's and do cameras some slightly different so they might be able to tolerate high. Thc whereas for me personally even a little bit of thc makes me feel really wonky. I have tried to canvas. i think it's it's it's good to know what it feels like for me. I don't like it. But i know other people who could have the same amount of thc. Is i took in feel completely normal. But they have chronic pain. They have other things going on so as far as the. Thc goes how that's going to affect code. We still don't know there was a really early study that came out early in the pandemic about rats but it was using the influenza virus that we're injecting rats who had influenza so nocco void but another respiratory disease with thc and they responded less well to the virus so i was telling my patients who were smoking. Large amounts of thc recreationally as a harm reduction approach. Just really cut back. And i was telling patients who are using seed medicinally to just use the amount that controls your symptoms but really don't overdo it don't go towards recreational doses Because we didn't know and we still don't really know so. The current gunnison. Giving people is if you're taking medical cannabis in you have covid. There seems to be no reason to stop your therapy. Continue your therapy and if you end up with this very unfortunate condition in hospital probably still be given exa method because they know how to dose it a lot better than if we add cd. We don't know yet but there is. There's a lot of people working on this question. And i think in the next six to twelve months we're going to have some answers potentially is interesting. Everything you said about it. Just so complex. Isn't it the immune system back five years ago. And i had cancer. I was looking at cannabis overseas. Something that comes up. I think most kinds of patients would. We'll find their way towards cannabis oversee. It's there's no that many randomized controlled. Trials isn't much evidence out that and yet there's quite a lot of patient stories that saying yes. It worked for me so i started looking but this was back. In two thousand fourteen cannabis. Prescription wasn't legal in the uk then and it was difficult because i was trying to get information but whenever i went to speak to. Cbd dispensary people. They said because of the cancer act. They couldn't give me any information. So that zero saying to google and it was just really difficult. And then i knew how difficult was to just with my immune system because i was on an immune about tucson immunotherapy drug. I had this. I wasn't sure whether i was going to end up. Suppressing the drug actually wanted to be ramping up my immune system. So i i ended up walking away from cannabis. I've just stayed fascinated by the plants since young the so much promise. Flora will interestingly loren the type of the you hike saddam you had melanoma cracked dot is one of the only reasons we. I'm very very cautious with cannabis with cancer patients. Because i do a lot of what's called. Adjunct therapy with cancer patients. So we don't substitute their chemotherapy for for cannabis. I don't recommend that. But i add on cannabis to help with symptom control the quality of life their nausea. And i've had patients tell me dr ward and without the candidates. I would not have been able to finish my chemotherapy. So i think it's improved my outcomes but the only thing that we have to be really careful of and i've actually turned down patients similar to you. Who were young healthy. They had curative chances for melanoma because of the immunotherapy. We don't know if it's going to be helpful or harmful and we don't know what cdn thc ratio for that specific immunotherapy units non small cell lung cancer in melanoma immunotherapy. That seems to be the biggest question marks so personally i don't prescribe until they're finished and then more just cbd for the neuropathy. The people can get after. Chemotherapy depending agency were on. So it's really complicated. Yeah no i did. She eventually start taking. Cb deal but use often. I'd been remission and that was because i broke my leg and that was for the pain of my leg that yeah well the The cancer but he is fascinating and i'm field. I'm so interested in. is there more research. Looking at countering cannabis is an area of growing research. It's an area of intense research and one of the reasons why is The pharmaceutical companies. Of course see great promise in this area because if you're going to develop a drunk development funnel that's a ten year fifteen year process in in cancer is such a common problem if people and a lot of the treatments are are great. I mean of auditoriums are amazing for cure or remission but they have so many side effects. So we're getting into the age of really targeted cancer therapies now like individualized medicine. They're looking at different kind of cannabis like molecules now in the area of cancer. So i think there's a lot to come. Well i'll be watching it with iga is because there's so much hope there as well and i just think there is something enough patients. It'll be wonderful in the future soothing. Talking a lot about medicinal cannabis and you've listed off a huge array of conditions. That can help. And then you mentioned on the other side. You have your wellness habit you put on. Can you describe a little bit about that. Were common conditions help with and is it something that most people could may be benefit from on the one side. Really you know what we're talking about the just quality of life and more of a lifestyle kind of wellness regimen so you know the products that are on the shelf over the counter. A lot of them are really the very very so. There's this huge righty products huge variety of how other going to be absorbed huge variety of dosages. I'd really there's no hard and fast rules with oecd like who can use it. Who can't when it comes to the wellness doses doses are generally quite low and quite safe and it doesn't have the thc or only in tiny tiny little amount so high so there's very little reason why someone couldn't take one of these wellness cd products. The most common reasons people take them people grabbing them off a is for on chronic pain more mild than probably with either dr for although i have had patients who have been on really hardcore drugs and pulled an over the counter. Cbd oil off. The shelf are taking it themselves for back pain and had had such a success even with those lower doses that they come off of their morphine. So it can have really. Profound medicinal compound is not to say that it doesn't work. It's just at a lower dose. You're going to have different effects and everyone will respond differently. So one person will official for chronic pain and they'll get an immense response and the next person pull the same off the shelf to so amount and nothing happened because everyone's under cannabinoid system is different. It's slightly different. Response slightly differently. So chronic pain is one of them. Still inflammation from chronic pain and joints and so forth so joint. Pain is a big one The other huge category is stress and burnout anxiety because this is an epidemic in our culture. I'm writing. I'm actually writing my second book. Now called the resilience blueprint because it's all about resilience and burnout and stress. And all that stuff which is just is a huge epidemic in our culture because of the way we live. We live on hyper drive all the time. And that's really probably the other really really common people you for so they might use it instead of a medication for their stress and anxiety and they might use it just instead of nothing at all or i tell people to onto their meditation practice. I give them meditations to go along taking their cbd and just use it as a tool to get their body into more relaxed state so can help with relaxed. It can help stress a can help indirectly with sleep if you take a really high dose of pure cbd. It's in most people and again everyone's brains a little bit different how they respond but in most people a pure dose of cd is not going to help them with sleep like a sleeping pelly most of the time but what it can help with his call me now the nervous system so if we're vibrating up here in the nervous systems really on all the time we have a hard time winding down in the evening and at night because then we disinfect our brains to be like okay said o'clock right okay. I'm gonna get off my phone and go to sleep and nothing happens then but like oh god. Why can't i fall asleep. So what the cdc can help. What just like botanical. Then again i use this with other botanical. So i don't just say just go away and takes cb. I'm using it with other botanical relaxation practices to wind on the nervous system. Wind down the cortisol response. Which is the stress hormone response and that indirectly house people get to sleep because when your cortisol your stress hormones here and your sleep hormone is down here than you can't get to sleep and you can't maintain your sleep. You get this. Fragmentation of the sleep in the defects are sleep wake cycles how. We wake up in the morning and affects our morning. Serotonin verse all that stuff. So cbc can help with this as well. A lot of people defined and the dosage. I would say well. How should i take and i go into this in detail in the book for every different type of situation. You might wanna try. See me deep. Like over the counter and medical cannabis but basically the the one liner is. Just start start. Low go slow started. A small does ten milligrams once a day. Ten milligrams twice a day into slowly. Build it up over time and then just to see how you feel keep a journal and it just really a self guided form of therapy especially when you're using the over the counter products. It's very safe for most people and thinking about botanical medicine is it's really is kind of empowering and self guided. I actually made a. I mean such a geek. Five made a grid and very when i started taking see deal. I'll say i'll just see how my body reacts. So i i write the outside sleep pain anxiety and just over a few weeks just wanted to see if i had noticed any change and if anything it just made me be more aware of my body. So just the of doing that. There's something about just checking. It isn't the to be honest. i'm not. I don't think it did particularly helped with my pain in my leg. I don't know whether it did help my sleep. I felt much more connected to my body so in a way. This is something in that as medicine in in just becoming aware isn't that i mean absolutely and that's what i find the wannacry pain patients who the threshold is if you need a prescription medicine for your pain. Cbd oil over the counter. Probably going to cut it. But i used to say that full stop for all my patients of an had these these cases on my wellness adami practice for people and they weren't lying to be they. Were coming to show you the retaking and with they used to take. They've got themselves off of morphine. And other things from using this over the counter products so there are exceptions but in general if i'm prescribing for someone seen some really bad chronic pain. I'm i'm definitely going to be using. Thc to and are there any side effects that you'd be concerned about because i think when younger you hear about cannabis and then you hear about the munchies. If someone starts taking cb deal for to improve their sleep for example can they expect to maybe put on weight does not for the over the counter see the oils. So generally speaking the the increase in appetite comes from thc and sometimes some of the other plant chemicals or the lack of those playing him co in a full spectrum extract. So if you have cd plus all the other plant chemicals in there. There's some strains of cannabis is really high in other plant chemicals nazia but do you not thc but that helps suppress appetite so it depends on the strain is while what type of appetite response someone who's going to get in the medical cannabis side but in general on the cb wellness side where you don't have thc. That's the main driver of the munchies high. Thc tends to drive the munchies more so than in some people than others so you can cut that with medical cannabis by reducing thc switching strains adding more cd to kind of balance out checked out and generally speaking the short acting forms levay price forms of higher. Thc we'll give people munchies more but cbd oils cd over the counter products. Do not leave people gain weight or give people the munchies in fact it might have an opposite effect on the metabolism. So how we manage sugar like if you're prediabetes person. If you already have type two diabetes might actually help you handle your blood sugar better. Cd so you might find that your blood sugar improves. And by virtue of the body handling sugar loads better you actually might lose weight. So these are things that are just kind of early stage development but a water research is being done on cbd to help with obesity and diabetes. Now okay so opposite of what. I thought okay and then any of the side effects that you should be concerned about at least aware of the full stein taking the c. d. oil. Certainly because i'm a medical doctor. Of course i always have to say before starting any supplement. Always talk with your doctor first. Make sure it's right for you in reality. Generally speaking broad brush strokes Is quietly for most people. But of course if you're on one of those immune drugs for you know some of those cancers if you've had an organ transplant if you're on epilepsy medication if you're in certain medications if you're on blood thinners than of always talk with your doctor first. I have used them in a lot of those situations that very controlled doses and monitoring drug levels. So that's not like a diy situation a home other than that. It's it's quite safe for most people and the only side effect some people have if they have a low blood pressure. So i treat a lot of people with quantum fatigue syndrome chronic lyme and pots which is basically when you have a really low blood pressure and you can get dizzy real easily when you go from sitting to standing and you can get pain in funny places. It's like we think it's deregulation of the nervous system and people with pots and deliciously ella. The famous shazam delicious. Yeah yeah so she. She had pots. And that's how she got into her. All of her wellness practices and cookie. So they take a people with general. Take a lot of cd too quickly. They're not sweat. It might slightly lower the blood pressure a few points so for most of us we wouldn't notice but if you have pot it's already really low. You might notice it a little bit more. So that's that's one thing. Some people find too much cd. When they're not used to feel a bit disea- some of the strains in the over the counter products have been derived from a strain of the hemp plant that has high levels of this other compound called mir scene which can make some people feel a bit relaxed or even sleepy. It's not super common. But if you're taking cbd and you're feeling more tired during the day than i recommend switching products to see and if someone's looking to buy a cd oil. They've never been before the fans that they need to look helpful because also is an explosion in the wellness. Well isn't a seems to be so many products out. that'd be great to hear from me. i think yes. This is a huge point of confusion. This is a whole section in the book because it's so important so basically you. It doesn't have to be specific brand. But what you want to look out for is that has was called ac- with the part which means a certificate of analysis. What that means is that product has been tested by a third party in independent laboratory to make sure it's free of the bad stuff so heavy metals contaminants pesticides herbicides large amounts of thc be. They're all those things and the does actually have the amount of cbd that it says it has in it. Most reputable price will have co a. So that's the first thing to look for most cbd oils that you find that go taken by mouth or not going to well absorbed because cbd is fat loving and this not absorbed into the body. So there's some higher tech products that are coming out now. That are more generally more expensive but tend to deliver higher load of cd at a lower dose. But they're they're few and far between. I'm actually working on one of those price at the moment. Because i think that if they can be so effective but right now what you're seeing on. The market is mostly kind of low tech products which are completely fine. You just have to take more of it in some in many people find to get the same effect but generally. They're very safe as long as they have at sea away and they're coming from a reputable brand. Okay that's helpful you and so that's the kind of wellness the legal cbd. That's available and then on the other side. We were talking earlier about the medicinal cannabis which is in the uk at least been legal. Since two thousand eighteen is all right november two designated yep and yet. It doesn't seem that hasn't been a huge takeout has in prescriptions and she to access it and i'd love to know just a little bit more about that. Why is that. The case is it. The doctors aren't confident is it. It's a very complex issue. So that is the really the center of mine nonprofit. My volunteer work on the vice chair of a society called the medical cannabis clinician society. The cherry is The wonderful mike barnes professor of neurology so him and i worked together really since the since november two thousand eighteen and he really had this brainchild of this society. He's been interested candidates for many years as in religious Spin such incredible advocates. So him and i started working on this and basically the whole So we do a lot of work around lines legislation and educating doctors. Educating politicians the public. And it's complicated. So the the amount of prescriptions that have been written so far in the uk since la changed there's only been two on the h. And one of those prescriptions was already for a very very sick boy who is now much better because of medical cannabis who had eighty and his mother campaigned. Tirelessly in she. She's the head of our our patient. Division at the medical candidates cushion society. The deacon and basically he already had a prescription when the law changed so he doesn't even count in that so really. There's one in eighteen months. Wow so on the private side. There's been there's almost five hundred prescriptions for that's not five hundred patients but that's five hundred prescriptions including the repeats. And i've i've been involved with training some of those first doctors who have been prescribing those and mentoring those doctors and the good news is they are completely dedicated. And they're seeing more and more patients but they're having to the private sector and these are wonderful doctors. They also work in the nhl. They would love to prescribe the jess but they can't at the moment because they're getting blocked on many levels at the trust level the clinical commissioning level. They're being told not cost effective. So it's a real struggle from legislative kind of it's really any jazz. it's not. it's not the government. The governments actually been quite supportive and the government has said you can prescribe as long as you're. Gmc registered specialist. You can prescribe medical cannabis if you think in the patient's best interest for any condition so the government's quite supported but if the nhs system and it just england has been very resistant and there's a lot of negative guidelines that have come out nice. Which is the national institute for. Clinical excellence which delivers doctors guidelines. They came out with very restrictive quite negative guidelines the pediatric neurology society came with very negative guidelines. They've they've since kind of step back a little bit which is good. The ucs our nonprofit came up with our own guidelines that we delivered to downing street because we thought we had to do something. That's evidence based and that kind of counter. Somebody's almost kind of i. Don't wanna say hysterical. But quite i don't think science i went into them with that unbiased. somebody's other very restrictive guidelines. So you have the guideline the shoot and then you have the doctors so then the doctors who are prescribing in the uk who are very open medical cannabis there one group of their small groups. And then you have many other doctors who don't understand cannabis within that group. You have many who are open to learn more about it but you also have doctors who might have unscientific reasons. Either unaware of mentally for not wanting to be involved or support medical cannabis like moralistic judgments about the such stigmas. And i still on the planet. Huge stigma huge stigma. Really having to start with the doctors. We have to really educate our colleagues because if we can't get our board. It was the same in canada. Exactly the same situation believer not then. We're really fighting an uphill battle because the doctors have to really lobbying work together to get an h. england onboard in the doctor sociation at the association level. So i think we have a long way to go but we are getting there. I wish we have the private sector getting prescriptions and they're starting to be lots of real world data collection research studies which i'm involved with a few them in project twenty twenty one drug science project which is headed by the wonderful professor. David nutt and one of my friends. Who's a consultant psychiatrist. Running that program doctor cloister cal. So they're looking at data collection for medical cannabis patients right now in the private sector to utilize to hopefully inform and reinforce these guidelines. Okay so let's a at least but it. Just because i've had several people contact me in the counts community asking for advice about cannabis and why they may be access it and a little bit more about if it's available in the nhs and i've had to it's been several clinics opening in the last eighteen months or so isn't that is they come back and so expensive. It's so expensive. And i think you know just to get people idea. They might not understand what numbers are talking about. It's the prices come down by fifty percent already which is amazing news but started as crazy. So it's still costing between three to six hundred pounds a month for someone with chronic pain and for someone with a child with epilepsy or an adult with lipsey for that matter at least twelve hundred pounds to two thousand pounds a month so families are having to fundraise for these medications. Were sick kids. Key measure being apparent with an epileptic. That other are home. And you're having to fundraise for your child's medication and they're not doing it because they love cannabis because their child's is like really really ill and they failed everything else so i think we have a long way to go but the prices are coming down luckily and just to change topic tonight. We been talking a little bit about how canada's different from the uk and oversee in the states is is kind of this legal in the states. Now is it. Just i in states certain states so okay. Who and a half to check the live stats. Catalonia must be legal. Oh yes california. I believe so. There's it's a thirty. I'm afraid to say because. I know i'm going to miss up. It's changing all the time. But there's many many states over half. The states have legal medical cannabis with a prescription. And then there's a smaller amount of states that have recreational cannabis available without a prescription. California is one of them is so confusing is an legalization decriminalization different countries doing different things in catalonia in spain for example. It's decriminalized seeking go to look a cannabis club for example. Okay what do you think about the movement to would size that way. You think the uk should be heading. Do you have any consensus with that. I think there's always concerns. So you know what. I'm medical cannabis. Hot were many different hats by dr half. Of course like i really talking about medical cannabis. I think it has to be really clear when i'm wearing my my harm reductionist in drug policy hat. Then i'm talking about harm reduction. So when we talk about harm reduction from any dry whether it's cannabis or whether it's heroin on we have to look at deemed moving beyond these moralistic arguments moving towards what actually reduces harm in a drug using population so for cannabis. You know you look at the risk of harm. This is where professor david nuts research. Last thirty years of of drugs is just so massive. It was so instrumental in changing the way government. Think about drugs so you really want to look at. What is the actual harm of drug compared to other drugs compared to prescription drugs compared to the risk of criminalising themselves to get drug on the black market. And you look at this for cannabis the equation really stacks up to in the uk. We know that around one point. Five million people. Accessing black market cannabis for medicinal purposes. Probably another a million and a half are using it recreationally so these people are criminalising themselves to access medical cannabis. They might be putting themselves at risk of criminality violence of getting sold. Something that's not cannabis spice of drug. That's a lot more harmful. So i do glee that definitely. Getting rid of the criminal penalty for cannabis is really instrumental in that. And you know if we did have recreational cannabis liquid you in canada now with The same kind of regulations as we have with alcohol and cigarettes. Then i think it can be done in a way that reduces the overall harm to the population and there's always going to be challenges with that but i think it's it's possible to learn from what worked we didn't in canada and potentially eventually maybe move towards something here but i think it's gonna take a long time Well thank you so much. Because i know you being in the uk and come over from canada with all of your knowledge and the way that you'll so passionate about educating doctors and really helping the policy change this is how things shift is an you. We need people you know. Patients will be so grateful to have a doctor on their side really fighting the corner. So yeah thank you for everything that you do and just took a little bit about your book I mentioned a few times. It was coming out in july. That right july twenty third. Who for is it full clinicians people who are just interested in absolutely everyone. It's definitely not written for clinicians is written for everyone so i wanted to write it for anyone who's never tried. Cd so whether it's your gramma or whether there's trust moms just like picking it up at the grocery store and there's also win for questions to because there's every chapter has a section about medical cannabis too so it's about cd and the medical cannabis for all the different conditions There's also a section on all the different forms so if you're wondering godoi like a tincture or a gummy or inhaled forms. So it really is kind of a bible. It's almost four hundred pages but you don't have to read the whole thing. You can just look to the the sleep chapter if you want to the stress chapter but yeah i just wanted to write something that was really accessible but really really well informed at the same time so important because there has been so much misinformation out there and almost quite lot of hype for a while especially last year. You'd open a paper sunday times supplement. Whatever it was and there would be quite sensational article about cbd and actually well there. We do have this incredible and can happen with system. Of course is an acute rule. Panacea so i think to have a voice. Let us out back on. Wait to eat. I'm really looking forward to it. Thank you always sending your coffee. Stay the twenty third of july in the uk. And it's already on amazon for preorders now. Okay well congratulations and just the biggest thing you of being here and telling and kind of wait to meet you in your life. When i get back. I know i can't wait. We're going to have to sit in the park and have a lovely picnic and cd infused cocktail. Locked tells in my case. Congratulations is how much it's been so lovely to chat with the new to are and thanks for having me thank you. Thank you so much for listening to our conversation. Say i really hope you enjoyed it. And as always if you did please take a moment to rate review and if you'd like to connect head on over to the holistic healing project instagram or my website. Which is lauren mcdonald. And i look forward to connecting with you in the future. Please remember that whilst. I am a qualified medical doctor. I am not your medical doctor so whilst we often talk about health and wellbeing and we give out tools and tips and someone's discussed topics. I little bit fringe alternative. This is very much information. Only is not individual medical device. So please if you have any health concerns. Make sure you're going to see your own practitioner.

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Twenty 4:20 #11 | Varins

Kannaboomers | Cannabis for Wellness

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Twenty 4:20 #11 | Varins

"Welcome to twenty four twenty the bite sized educational podcast from cana. Boom and kurt robbins author of more than five hundred articles about the science of hemp and cannabis. We're giving twenty cannabis topics twenty minutes. Each dow you get smarter about turbines. Canaveral nights cultivars and much much more and our show starts now. It's tom we're back in the studio with kurt robbins. Four twenty four twenty episode twelve acre. I can't believe it's episode twelve hour tom. We are making our way through the most important things that need to know about cannabis. In you know we've covered a lot. you know. we talked about flavonoids interpretations. Something that i noticed. Lately i saw products for veterans cannabis vari- which most people are not aware of. And i knew that you would be able to tell us about them. Yeah yeah there's There's a new product from a company called groovy fruit. Of course all these companies are new right. So everybody's just bust onto social media and getting their brands and their logos out there but groovy fruit is beyond having slick labels and sexy logos and all that It's a very rare product because it. It's a gummy. I should say it's a square. Gummy doesn't appeal to children with teddy bears or anything like that But part of their whole marketing angle is. We've got vari- They talk about verron tabloids and they talk about turpin more than many of the other companies and their product contains relatively rare In these various that you're talking about like cd. V and thc vp and cb gv and most people have heard about the neutral analogs to those molecules. Their they're Neutral cousins like thc cb dnc bg But we don't talk about the barons a whole lot so we're delving into chemistry and when you say neutral analogs. I mean people know that. Thc is the psychoactive component. Is going to get them intoxicated. Grand cd is going to help. Reduce inflammation in maybe anxiety and insomnia. But what does the v the varenne indicate well not to get too geeky here but this is biochemistry after all. So when we take these molecules these are compound molecules that have like tons of atoms in them. Right if you look at. A schematic of these molecules And i push him out of my social on twitter all the time But they give fairly complicated okay. So in a nutshell. Let's go back to veterans are siblings to the nutro versions like thc cd cbj. And let's just stick with those three molecules for the time being. We know the the universe of cabinet. That's much larger than that. In fact we've discovered roughly one hundred and fifty different cannabinoid at this point. Now some people say no. It's only sixty or it's only eighty. Why is that well what they're doing in that case is typically they're counting. Thc and thc a it's acidic precursor and teach c. v. the verron version and there are others. They're counting all those as just one for example. Cbd and c. Bg both have seven different analogues of themselves so the cd that we talk about in the press all the time and that you do a lot of great content about. That's just one of seven analogs. In that little family of contaminates it's going to be a little bit different from its cousins exactly at a molecular level and and so for the consumer what. What difference does that make you get different efficacy and a really fantastic example of this is thc. It's not only one of the most popular and infamous molecule but It shows some actual polar opposite efficacy between the neutral version tsitsi and its sibling the barron version. Thc v We know thc famously. Causes the munchies. Right an increase in appetite. It's really great for certain patient populations like those with aids and wasting syndromes and anything where they need to get nutrition into their bodies but they just don't have any appetite. Thc is a great fido molecule for doing that as our other turpin cannabinoid okay doesn't have exclusive ownership of that but get this. Thc does the opposite actually decreases your appetite. Wonderful people suffering obesity type two diabetes other eating disorders. Anyone who's got the opposite problem of those folks with aids who they need to put less into their bodies. Thc visa a wonderful molecule for that. Now that is a polar opposite efficacy from thc. So it's a really excellent case study and to answer your question. Why don't we give a darn about these molecules geek out or is there some real value here. Yeah there's real value for specific patient populations. While i would think there would be a tremendous demand for thc v if it suppresses appetite. I mean the wellness on then the fashion. You know in southern california. You can't be too rich or too thin that's there would be plenty of people lining up for. Thc right and you know it could be argued that that's kind of a vain pursuit. Although everybody wants feel good about themselves and be healthy you know they say every extra pound of fat on our body puts more burden on our heart and other systems and so So it's really but regardless of one's motive it can be one hundred percent Vanity if you purchase a product with your hard earned dollars in your seeking a particular efficacious outcome if you will Y- if you're trying to lose weight and this gives you ravenous munchies and suddenly you know you're just killing it in the kitchen. That's probably not a good thing right. Nobody i don't think anybody call it healthy. Do you see a future where. Thc v is dropped into an ingredient in other medicines. Or is it always going to be in a cannabis form all now. I think it'll definitely be. It's not that we're going to but the country in its infantile genesis state We're tearing this part of plant this plant apart and it's Biochemistry in every way that we possibly can we're synthesizing these molecules were inventing new molecules that are like similar to but not quite because they're not organic and Yeah we're going every every way we can uh the gravy fruit product. We talked about earlier. not only tout's these veterans but has them in above trace quantities so they can actually display efficacy for users. So there you go. There's a real world product. That listeners can purchase today groovy fruit and it is strategically formulated to contain Barron cab noise. Is it being sold as an appetite. Suppressant well one. Other taglines turkey af so Taking a more perhaps a lifestyle enhancement and recreational side to it. I certainly don't want to speak on their behalf. I'm not You know a shareholder. Or i don't have any interest in the company whatsoever. I think they have a very unique product and I've sampled it personally. And i like it. But that's just my opinion right I'm not advocating here but No one can argue that they have at the current time. What is an extremely rare product. Most people don't even know what the heck varenne czar that's why we're talking about him right now. They've already Put a product on the shelves at that is available currently in all fifty states. 'cause you know qualifies is like a hemp product right. It doesn't have the to qualify as cannabis so so it's nice. We can't typically tell listeners and viewers and readers go by product xyz because it might be available only in southern california like where you live right listeners. Michigan or florida indiana. They're sol so. This is really nice that we're focusing on these errands because none of them are schedule. One like thc You know we can. We can infuse Them and and a ton of these terrapins into products like groovy fruit and people all over north american. Sometimes all over the world can dive in and participate. Even though it's a component a constituent part of the cannabis plant that molecule can be removed in. there is no schedule one ramifications to that it's drive the delta eight version of thc versus delta nine. Which is the typical delta. Nine is schedule one there are companies touting delta eight products and they say and we can sell this at all fifty states everywhere and say well why is that it's in they say oh because it's delta eight so not to go down that tangent currently but yeah there's a lot of legal ramifications behind these molecules whether that's good or bad it's just kind of a fact and there's a lot of medicinal efficacy and thc but because it schedule one Boy you know getting out on. The shelves becomes a real headache. And it limits your geographic markets significantly. And i might be a lot of people consuming cannabis products in california but by law unless we break the law by law. Those products can only be created distributed sold and consumed in state of california a so again when we get into varun and hemp hemp products. That have errands. Interpretations focus outside of the traditional. Thc we find the game is totally different hair right. If i were a person and entrepreneur founder and i wanted to sell a product. I wouldn't wanna sell it only in southern california or only in oregon or only in indiana. I'd wanna sell it in all fifty states. We talked about how it creates the polar opposite of the munchies. Does it do that in terms of intoxication and in some of the things that happened with. Thc that's a great question There is a misperception that thc the neutral version of this fight. A molecule is the only thing to come out of this plant that causes psycho activity. And i'm here to say that is not true whatsoever Thc v does convey psycho activity or psychotropic effect We try not to use words like intoxicated. 'cause that's a bit tainted it has the word toxic in it and toxic meets poisonous and i haven't found a in reasonable doses. I haven't found any molecules in the plant that could be labeled toxic quite honestly so. Do you have to be kind of careful with with the language that we're using here but thc v a lotta. this is based on anecdotal evidence. Okay there's still not enough research especially clinical trials involving human beings in this department. So i just wanna premise. What we're saying here with that. But here's the basic understanding and the kind of news being reported by outlets lie flee for example which is generally regarded as pretty reliable and science based media outlet for cannabis consumers. Thc v requires a higher dosage to be psychoactive and this dosage is typically not available in most loose leaf flower whether it's on the underground or through legal channels. Most people are just never getting enough. V to result and a psychoactive effect. But if you get enough of it. It is reportedly more psychoactive than thc. An very sativa like manner very cerebral manner. So there's a tipping point somewhere and it's it's beyond a minute amount where it becomes even more say quack right exactly and again you know. We're talking in theory here because in reality most people are just not getting it. But i have had some rare sativa strains over the years that were just like having had ten cups of coffee or something an appetite. You couldn't even tell ya stomach. It was like not even part of your thought process So some of these molecules. Yeah the the idea that you get the munchies from pot or marijuana or cannabis no you get the munchies from a particular analog of a particular canaveral aid and there are others swimming around in that chemical mix that can give you the exact opposite effect. Are we on the path to sort of a bespoke types of medicine where you talk about the synthetic Aspects of this in where you can pull one molecule in another then recombine them into something that maybe gives you a cerebral high without the munchies and reduces inflammation while it also keeps your anxiety and check is is kind of where we're headed. I think so. I think we're headed there and all industries quite honestly in the future when you order. A paralegal is off amazon or levi's dot com or whatever it's going to be according to biometric profile and a robot is going to build those genes specifically for you as a one off because we're going to be able to pull that off. Can we do that also with medicine. Well there's a lot of experts and companies out there trying to do so it's a little tricky monetize ing it and do we quite have the technology that we need really confounds all of this but yet at the same time demands that we do. This eventually is subjective efficacy. You know you. And i go to the doctor for condition. Xyz let's say things -iety and They give us a drug drugs are very standardized. And i'm not saying they're bad things But you know we get twenty milligrams of xyz but your body is different than my body and the density of your cb one and two receptors in your window. Cannabinoid system is than mine and they're not only different when we're healthy. But they're different in a different way when we're not healthy and they go. They go from a passive to an active state arresting to to active state. So yes we can pull this off. Technically we can deal with. What is one of the biggest headaches in all of this healthy lifestyle. And medicinal use of cannabis debate. And that is subjective efficacy. Because one size doesn't fit all unfortunately right. I mean we've talked about this in the past where it's sort of a test and learn scenario in you need to try these different products. But if there's things happening on on different tracks. And i've talked to people who are into epa genetics and you can look take your twenty three and me results and get them analyzed in no if you are facile Slow metabolize and once you have that then you match up to the plant and what the plan has to offer. Is that some futuristic stuff. But maybe that's where we're heading. It is because some hungry entrepreneur it with a lot of energy and passion is going to go in that direction right and it's not just one or two. It's it's a lot you know we've got most eight billion people on the earth now and increasingly they're educated and have money and other resources to make dreams. Come true so tom. I think we're act absolutely eventually going to be going in that direction. And like i say there's a companies at the laboratory level that are working on that right now at just has not resulted in products on the shelf or services available to the average consumer. That's super exciting. As today if a consumer is interested in in vari- in exploring them. Can you tell them what to look for You know there's a lot of great research out there and regardless of your browser of choice just jump into your browser and hit a search engine and search for some of these particular veterans Do a search like verron cannabinoid research and you can occupy yourself for days months with what pops up right Also recommend that listeners. Do research on particular barons like Thc v that we've been talking about a great one and don't just research the verron version but also check out us neutral version and i would really wanna teach yourself something. Check out the The acidic precursor also so in the case of thc a thc for example. You got thc thc and you get thc and your earlier question about. Why should consumers our patients care. They all have Sometimes strikingly different efficacy. So they're all from a helping you with your health perspective. They're different molecules. And i should mention. I know that if we do put this into a browser pretty good odds at your name is gonna pop up because you have written some things about this why you know coincidentally enough The december twenty twenty addition of vegas cannabis magazine which is available both imprint despite the pandemic you know. Congratulations to those guys but also on line so all of your listeners can dip in for free And will include the link in the show notes but That's one of my articles for the magazine this month. And it's great to educate readers about Something that ninety five percent of them have never heard of you. And i have talked in previous episodes of the show about how there was a survey done this year. And it revealed that seventy five percent of current cannabis consumers okay. People actually buying cannabis and hemp products. Were seventy five percent of them. Didn't know what the word turbines matt so if you don't know what turpin is a pretty good chance you have no clue what baroness we. Always come at this from the context of wellness I think now we can make a distinction. There's there's adult recreational. Medicinal in i think. Third category is wellness. People who are interested in house is going to help me live better made. It becomes a part of my daily routine in. I did for a while. I was using the word psychoactive. But i i kinda got scolded on on that in went to intoxicating and then you told me intoxicating not the perfect where we still chasing you around. I guess maybe we'll just go back to high and whether whether you want to get higher. Not you know you can get relief and support your own wellness. That's right and in that regard. I like the term psychotropic. The only problem is most people are like what the hell does that mean so we have to look at how easily digested the fancy words. We kick out our right. You know if nobody understands what it means you dislike smart jackass. i mean. we've talked about that but we need to be speaking. The same language need to be on the same page but these days. You have to be careful because you're always offending someone but i'll put psychotropic in my hat and try to use that where it's one option. You know if. I ride a of fifteen thousand word white paper. I use words other than cannabis right. i'll say. Marijuana or i'll we come up with synonyms because of the repetition gets so great and long form documents and books like that So you know. Really educated industry professionals and patients and consumers Should understand and use all of those terms. And if you get really good at the game you understand the distinct differences you know like we're saying between intoxication psycho activity psycho tropic effects Being high what does that even mean. I don't know maybe. Tommy john can tell us but You know science and culture right popular. Culture does not always use scientific terms marijuana. Not a scientific term cannabis that's a scientific term or listeners. Have a new term vari- that they are now educated on can begin to further educate themselves. So thank you for nailing it in twenty minutes. That's our mission and we did it again and did it. We back again for episode thirteen soon. You've been listening to twenty four twenty a special edition podcast series from canada. Boom and kurt. Robbins wanna learn. More and help grow cannabis movement spread the word and follow us on your favorite podcast platform or at cana. Boom dot com.

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Ep. 1.5 The Glossary Words to Get You Through The Cannabis World

MJ Review Potcast

25:11 min | 2 years ago

Ep. 1.5 The Glossary Words to Get You Through The Cannabis World

"Hello and welcome to the podcast. It's m j reviews year over to my left. It's Margo bringing the Mary Mary, Jane. Hello. It's Margo and to my right. A guy when mind sharing joint with its Jake. Let's do it Chris and always here on the couch in the middle. It's me Chris. What's going on guys? Welcome. Hey, what are we talking about today guys? So we just came up with a list of glossary terms that we totally think that everyone should know if they're listening to our podcast getting technical just keep on up with us got to break it down. Just so everyone can be on the same page. Same leaf. So this article came from the the glossary of terms that is really great. And we thank leaf we put it out. But we made a few changes ourselves just to make it a little bit easier and more relevant to our listener shutout to lethally as always go and check them out. They're great place. We love you. Please reciprocate even shout out to them without permission. Using of course. Well, I mean because now we're deciding so we're we're citing source and can also we can share a link to their page as long as we give them credit than we're okay? Okay. Yeah. But yes, so we have a few of the words that we think that are beneficial to people that are listening to the podcast just so that they know what we're talking about. When we talk about these words, and the order that we're gonna be talking about them is the order that you're going to be approaching them when you're going in and using your card to purchase more or less. Yeah. Yeah. So why don't we start off Margot? Once I have my card where do I wanna go to actually purchase my medication? Well, that would be a dispensary street corner. Shady looking character feed. No, definitely not look, very professional. Good good go in there, and you have to have your card, obviously. And when you go in you have to show your idea long with your card because there's one thing people don't know is just in case if you're waiting on a car and don't have a card yet. You can go in for a tour just to see what it's like certain ones certain dispensary single one. Yeah. Definitely good to know. But you're dispensaries going to have your stock from all your cultivators, which are the we'd creators they bring it to the dispensaries. So that you can enjoy your weed. They have all kinds of products there. They have cannabis obviously the weed then they have your topical edibles, your pills, your suppositories, even all of. The bus but the dispensary is there to have safe access to your cannabis. I mean, we all know about the street vended cannabis or we that, you know, people are familiar with. But this is the professional type stuff, you know. What's in it? Yes. So cannabis that's another term that we're gonna be talking about a lot because this is our main brain of our high. It really is a lot of the podcast focuses around the pot. It's the pot. You guys. Pot. Wake up there is three different kinds of Platt genius from the cannabis plant. There's sativa cannabis sativa. I'm sorry. That's the professional way. Canvas. Tamara keep it medical cannabis Indica and cannabis Ruta rollies, but on an everyday average. You're only gonna talk about sativa Indica and CBD so cannabis is native to Asia. But as of right now, it's grown all over the world. Luckily for all of us to enjoy. Thank you. Thanks to me. Yes. Of course. And then a cannabis type that we just talked about was Indika so personal favorite. It is Indika defined on the street reset in the couch. Chris knows mad. Maybe that's why I'm always on the couch guys. So all mix more sense anyway break on break into down for us there Margo. Is the sedate of type of cannabis out there on the market. So if you need something to help go to sleep, this is definitely the cannabis that you want to go to it comes from the Middle East and Asia, it's famous for its Kush and Afghan lines, which I learned from this article, I did not know that and compared to its counterpart of sativa it is shorter in its structure. So when it grows it's gonna be maybe a foot and a half two feet tall and bushier short. But sweet exactly it's the war. I guess if you're put into fantasy house rude. I'm showing my are my absolute favorite being in the fantasy realms. That's fake. You. So I called me a nerd, sure. Heard. You heard, but it has a relaxing affect towards your regular and opposite of that is your sativa that will give you energy. That can also if you have a little bit too much TV there are instances where it can give you a little bit anxiety have been there. Don't like that. Don't enjoy that. Make sure you get your correct dosages guys. You gotta watch out for the sativa. They're much more likely to give you that kind of stereotypical paranoid. Frigging? Exactly. Nobody wants that. I mean, that's not the TV's. You know, doesn't have a place in the medical industry. I would help with a lot of things like ADHD, for instance. Yes, definitely. And Steve has originally came from the Middle East and Asia, and they moved across to South America, the Caribbean Africa in Thailand, and then made it towards us. They usually grow a lot taller than Indicas. They are about five feet around there. And they're lighter in color actually to feel like I've got to keep the analogy going. They're more like the elves of the marijuana. Tall skinny dude. Elves can be real short. That depends on what fantasy realm you're talking about. Where the rings the only one that really is still doesn't make sense to me, but it is the CD rich strain of all the cannabis types. So this has more medical benefits. Right. So that if you have anything that is rude rallies. It'll have higher CBD content and lower THC content. So that can come in either any sativa Indica. It is an out of flowering plants. So it doesn't need any male plant to flower. It does it on its own time. Just a little bit of time at bloom all on it. I mean, it's still got gotta water it and give it nutrients and stuff, but you're only do any other stuff so long as you meet the minimum requirements for keeping it alive. Yeah. And you won't find this one typically in a dispensary called route or Allah. They'll just label it as a high CBD really gonna find that. And don't worry if you're not quite sure what THC CD what we're talking about. We will explain that. Yes. And this actually originates from Russia. So the route Arale is known to come from the colder climates because it is a bushier it can survive in the cold, which is really neat to loan really hardy plant as far as I know. Yeah. Bears were known to smoke this before running into war came forty. Sevens. Is that a true fact? Yes. We we might make. We might have some corrections later, but the cool thing that I found out is that route Arale is given it's you know, it's usually high. Often be mixed say a hybrid Indika air may be hybrid. Why don't you break hybrids are awesome? So pretty much everything is a Hiber now. Right. It's everywhere. So hybrids, just basically an Indika and a sativa smushed into one new point. Why would why would you want to take a sativa Indica and put them into one plant well to get the best of both worlds. Of course, you can do that. Yeah. Did. So you you say if you are you have some chronic pain starring the day, but you don't wanna go to sleep. You can't just smoke an indicator, and you'll be all sleepy and dumb and drowsy and sounds like a problem. So you don't want that. But if you mix a little sativa in there. Okay. You got some more energetic benefits to that? Finding a straight ups Indica or sativa nowadays. It's possible. It's just very technically. If you look into the science of everything it's somewhat lost that a true in the true sativa one. You do get a Indika. It's more dominant of an Indika like much more. So than it would be a sativa. Same thing for Steve. Because everything is just so interbred these days rallies with Indika Indika with sativa ruder rallies and everything in between. Yeah. One thing's for sure they all have pretty flowers. That is true. And these flowers when you refer to a flower, that's just the standard way of getting your marijuana. That's just a bud the, but it's not necessarily a flower yet, it is still pretty they come in different colors. They have different hairs. These little orange hairs sometimes they're read sometimes they're white. It's all different. Kinds and the flower is the part that you break down the, bud. And you break down you rolled in joy, you put it in a bowl you put it in a Bong. And that's what you smoke. I think when most people think marijuana they think of the flower of the but xactly that that's that's the first thing. I think of so and on the flowers on these buds they have these little crystals. These there THC crystals of the good part them land like flavor crystals. Only actually these are high with Turpin and THC. So that's where all the good stuff is what can you do with these crystals? How so there you can smoke them, but you can extract them as well. Oh, and by extracting them, we form. It's beautiful. One of my personal favorites. You can't fall asleep. They're wonderful. Punch you to sleep. Well, puncher right to sleep. The got that one too knockout. Nice calm Sasha like way. Is a concentrate. So concentrate is essentially you are taking the THC from the marijuana pulling it out, and you're mixing it with a solvent in order to create the concentrate. So you don't have the flower taste to it. You don't have the the the organic life like the organic plant like feel to it. It actually has a much different. Look, it's you can find them in oils. So you can get them in like liquid oil. You can find them in a butter or a wax which is kind of like a mold -able goo that you can kind of like play Doh almost curry. And then there's more resonance bits that can be shatter or live resin, which is my personal favorite live sugars live resins and things like that. I'm gonna go ahead and say mine too. Yep. So shatter though is. Hard could break it you can break a piece off and drop it right in whereas resins are real sticky still, and they kind of crumble apart a crumbly type material and these concentrates are not only high in THC levels. But they're also high in Turpin and flavonoids, and we'll be talking a little bit more about what those are just later, or it's we've talked about flour we've talked how everything is a hybrid these days. But what are what are these funky names that I'm seeing what does that mean? What what is? Oh, you mean, strains, Chris? I think I mean strains Jake, this is my favorite part about marijuana. Actually. All right. So strains are the specific plant species. There are thousands of these well upon thousands thousands upon thousands. You get some real funky names. Oh, well, my personal favorite is Alaskan thunder. Fuck. That's a good one. But hey, if you have children around you can right. There's better string, you get a blackberry Kush, which is a little more friendly of a name. Name but not friendly to children. No. But then there's there there's some pretty funky names. And these names actually came from the hippy days when it was more underground. So they had to give these things different names. It's pretty dope. Yes. Pretty dope. Chris I like the good. Oh, yeah. But unfortunately, even though the industry is driving. These strains can easily be mistaken or purposely misidentified because you have certain strains like gorilla glue which grill can be an Cup. But it can also be sativa. They have different numbers for these. And that goes headband as well. There's a seven oh seven headband, which is a Indika straight Indika when there is also just headband, which is considered a sativa. So there you do need to be careful when going to your dispensary and choosing a strain. You should ask about the strain before you get it, even if you look it up online, it may be a little different than what you're reading. I think that is a really good point to make. And so now that I know that these funky names are specific strain of weed, what makes this strain specific. What makes it unique? That's my question, and I gonna. Enough Margot on this one Jake. Thank you. Yeah. The breakdown is basically your Canaveral aids. So those are the chemical compounds that make up the weed and there's over eighty five Kanada noise, but they currently only have eighty five listed, but there has way more in the weed itself more, you say, no when I go into into dispensary and talk to somebody they need to know eighty five different specific, absolutely. Oh, no, no. No, no. This is this is easier than school come on guys. Is easy as being high school though. I don't know. I I can't actually say how easy or hard that. I was young and dumb want. So once. Yeah. You mean not young anymore? All right, but we're getting kind of track breaking down Canaveral. So yeah. The most the two most common canal are are THC and Stevie d. Yeah. Yes. Referred to as thick and Kubat. I've never heard that would before I've never heard that either. So let's say listen to that. All right. Let's try to say let's try to say THC together in its scientific way on through one to the textual Hijo. Can I lost? It got that. You guys tetrahydrocannabinol is nailed like halfway through a tetrahydrocannabinol tetrahydrocannabinol say that five times fast. You don't have to refer today. Henry Winkler five times fast. Henry Winkler one in Oscar. I don't know who the funds. Henry Winkler Henry Winkler, Henry Winkler. It gets hard. I'll take your word for it are THC's kind of the cabinet that gets me high. What a CBD going to be doing me CD has the medicinal benefits. So that's the part that will get you your pain relief ill get you your anxiety relief. But CBD plays the best when it has a little bit of THC along with it. So good team players. Yes, they are very cooperative with one another. Luckily, and THC was first isolated in nineteen sixty four. So that was really cool to know. But treats, your inflammation, like I said doing Ziobro and your pain, and it doesn't give you that stone feeling. But again when you have a little bit of THC, it's going to help you so much more. And if you do have that stone feeling CBD can actually help alleviate that. That's a great point actually group for. Zayed's? Heard and experienced. So there are other can have annoyed in the weed plant like CG CB CB N and other ones, but we're going to bring that up in a future episode. So that we can dedicate all of our time just to those sorry cannabinoid. So we just dedicate all of our time to those Canaveral. It's so that we can understand them together a lot better. And hopefully, you know, maybe one or two of you will have listened in and have a question that you have sent us that we can address directly. It'd be nice. Yeah. Definitely happy to answer. Your question. Along with teach seen CBD you've mentioned others. But what about Jake mentioned flavonoids and Turpin we're gonna bring that up in the future episodes. Well because that plays a huge part. We don't want to overload people. Okay. That plays a huge part in in your purchase. Because even if it is Indika if it has the turbines of a citrusy, you know, sativa dominant kind of strain it may pronounce those, you know, affects out of out of the plant, but it's just a lot of trial and error. That's everyone's gonna tell you. It's a lot of trial and error because everybody is the front, and I'm not saying that funny there, I just don't want it to be everybody is different. We literally have different bodies from one another and they all play differently. But what together all bodies all living bodies, actually, except for insects haven't common Endo Canaveral. It. That those are receptors we have two different kinds there. CB one in CB to see one is in your head CB to is in your body. And the way that I look at it is you I have your head that CB one I park patting her rubbing her belly hopping foot at the same time. That you can multitask while. Hi, yes, I'd Elisi stone or here. Try my best. But these Endo can have annoyed. They are kind of like these Endo can have annoyed systems that we have in our bodies control all the rest of our systems in our bodies, like your immune system, your Cyril systems. Are- Breuil cerebral your immune system. Your cerebral systems your nervous systems and bridges are nervous systems are damn. All right. So you're Endo can have annoy systems control your immune system's nervous systems and your body organs. It is kind of like that bridge for your receptors, and your your in fact, it's literally a bridge. Between so many functions of the body from me receptors to your Canaveral it. So that they play well with each other. Can have an we asked. Two receptors all throughout your body throughout the Endo canal annoyed system within your body, and their you know, they kind of like a lock in a door. You know, what they fit right in there? And they open up, and they help communicate with your enter cabinet system. And that beautiful. I think we did really. Well, you guys I think we did two in oak down. I it's been really informative for me. And I think I hope for the listeners. Yes, there's anything that you guys think that we missed and you think that we should have brought up please still the next glossary episode. Tell us that we should be bringing this up in future episodes. So that you know, everyone understands what we're talking about. And our Email that you can reach us out as our Email that you can reach us out at is MJ review podcasts at g mail dot com. That's M J R E V I E W P O T C A S T at g mail dot car. Our Email that you can reach out to us at. The Email that you can reach us at you should say say it again, and that we could put that the Email that you can reach us out at is energy to us. The that you can reach out to us at the Email that you could reach out to us at. Scary Email the Email that you guys can reach us out at. Oh pass to stay. It's gonna be bonus content. Hooper? Email that you guys can reach us out at. 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#01 Is Cannabis Safe?  Part One

The Curious About Cannabis Podcast

26:51 min | 1 year ago

#01 Is Cannabis Safe? Part One

"You're listening to the curious about cannabis. podcast his cannabis really safe. I've seen some close calls. I seen some near misses. And I'm telling you in a perfect storm scenario. Somebody could get harmed in. The reputation of cannabis is a safe. Medication goes out the window. The combined North American canvas market alone is expected to exceed sixteen billion dollars in value in two thousand nineteen alone people. All over the world are are taking notice and becoming more curious than ever about cannabis. The momentum of cannabis legalization across the world does not seem to be slowing down. And as more places is legalized cannabis. Broader demographics of cannabis users are emerging as more and more people are trying cannabis without fear of legal. Repercussions I wanted to understand. Just south safe cannabis products are or perhaps they aren't Everybody this is Jason Wilson with the curious about canvas podcast. Thanks so much for tuning in today. We're GONNA be talking all about cannabis safety and harm reduction and start. Our curious quest will be focusing on three main questions one. Just how toxic is canvas. Just as an aside. What heck is in cannabis anyway? To what are the known. Health risks of cannabis use and three. How how can anyone that chooses to use cannabis canvas products minimize those risks? Now this is a really big topic we could spend hours upon hours exploring it and in effect the topic will end up being woven throughout the podcast as such. There are several aspects of cannabis safety that we we won't be getting into in this initial series of episodes. So if there's a topic we don't end up covering immediately. Don't worry we'll get there now. Let's get started so cannabis contains a lot of different chemicals. Depending on what research paper you read there could be anywhere from four hundred to over five hundred compounds. That have been characterized in cannabis so far but some researchers think they're likely far more chemicals in canvas. You know the idea that there's only four hundred compounds in cannabis. I think a super naive as well. That's Kevin Spelman a molecular biologist and phytochemicals. That's dedicated his entire professional career to try and understand why plants plants affect the body. The way they do and lately he's had his eyes on cannabis corn and you look wheat respectively. There's they've found three thousand the five thousand different compounds in there and these are probably the most studied plants right and so I can tell you with certain clarity that there's at least a thousand compounds in probably early every single plant so despite with scientific literature may say there very well may be thousand or more chemicals found in Erbil canvas alone but when cannabis's burned however smoke is really complex obviously here's thousands and thousands of thousands. That's Justin Fischetti and natural products researcher. That wants burned cannabis joints is to see what was in the smoke. Of course offer science Quite literally would take joints. Burn them with a pump that smoke into solvent somewhat I I mean just fume hood and whatever. We never started a fire but yeah we had students whose job it was basically like the giant and have the pump trump was on a timer and the pump would like imitate somebody inhaling for certain period of time and collect that that's the vapor into the solvent or the smoke into the solvent analyze. That smoke is really complex. Obviously thousands and thousands of compounds smoke. You can't analyze the ball necessarily just using juicy. But Kevin Smoke has been well characterized the past made leader like show how dangerous it could be but Burning any material you make bosses toxic compounds but yet. They're still chirping in cannabis. Smoke Azure there are all kinds of side reactions. That happened with them but we couldn't identify all that stuff was worth our effort but they're also have with candidates to bunch of cyber actions actions. That happened in all kinds of new categories for but for the most part it's still a major ingredient. TAC adenoids like THC or CBD or are by far the most abundant compounds found in the resins that surround the female cannabis flowers which we didn't know that's really what most cannabis users are after her. Those resins now. TCCB D actually appear in the camps plant as slightly different molecules says thc a or CD and when they're heated up they change into to their well-known counterparts TACB so to start our journey of trying to understand just how toxic some of these compounds canvas might be. It makes sense to start with some of these primary active constituents of the canvas plant. THC CD in one now. Pretty much infamous study that was done in one thousand nine hundred seventy three dogs were given. THC early in escalating doses. All the way up to nine brands of THC per kilogram of body weight all in an attempt to try to find a lethal full dose to put that into perspective. It's not uncommon for a lot of dogs to way somewhere between twenty and thirty pounds so in kilograms I'd be like nine signed around fourteen kilograms. Let's go on the low side and assume I nine kilogram dog. This study would administered around eighty grams of THC in a single-dose dose orally to that dog and even at dosages that high they weren't able to get lethal response. Now if you want to think about this. This in terms of cannabis joints or cannabis. Cigarettes consider a joint. Let's assume a joint has around a gram of cannabis in it. And let's say that cannabis cannabis contains twenty percent. THC that'd be two hundred milligrams per gram of THC in the canvas. which would mean that? There'd be two hundred milligrams of THC in the joint. The joint has a full gram of cannabis in it and so to get the same kind of dosage that the dogs were getting you. You know you'd have to consume like four hundred five hundred joints at once and that's still would probably not kill you now. Let's jump forward word from nineteen seventy three to nineteen eighty eight. There was a petition to try to reclassify. The legal status of cannabis now cannabis was and is currently at the time at this recording considered a schedule one drug by the Drug Enforcement Agency or the. Da this category of drugs is reserved for drugs with no accepted medical. I use in a high propensity for abuse other drugs in this category include things like heroin and bath salts well in Eighty S. There was a push to try to schedule cannabis and in administrative law. Judge Francis Young issued a report commenting on the boys in this report. He stated in order to induce death. A marijuana smoker would have to consume twenty thousand to forty thousand times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette a smoker with theoretically have to consume assume nearly fifteen hundred pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce response now by that measure if you're trying to consume fifteen hundred pounds of marijuana in fifteen minutes one and we'll think physically ever be able to pull that off But second of that even if he could you're going to have some way more serious issues related to carbon monoxide poisoning and tar exposure Then and you would need to worry about any issues coming from cabinets as far as the lethal response goes but that was. THC What about CBD as recently as this year in two thousand nineteen a report was issued claiming that CB divas identified as being toxic for deliver publications like Forbes orbs promoted headlines Reading CD causes liver damage. So is this something canvas consumers need to be concerned about. I had the chance to talk about safety. CBD WITH DR The eastern Russo a neurologist and cabinet researcher that worked as a medical advisor for the development of two cannabinoid pharmaceuticals save X.. And EPA DIALECTS EPA EPA dialects specifically as a pure. CBD Pharmaceutical there was an article that came out recently it was a rodent study. The doses of can avid Abbott. Dial that they were using purportedly Producing liver damage would be impossible to attain in in a human and somehow this travesty pass peer review and was widely reported by the media. It has no correspondence to reality. I just wish that had been sent to me and I would have done my best to ensure that it didn't deserve publication allocation kind of thing unfortunately is kind of materials often produce the with Tax Payer money and it's more than intellectually dishonest. It's downright dangerous and unethical if you look L. fifty for canal or CD. which in case you don't know L. D. fifty stands for lethal dose fifty percent meaning being? What is the lethal dose? That will kill off. Fifty percent of a target population usually. This is in rodents monkeys dogs. You look up the L D fifty for Connecticut. Dial typically find data reporting intravenous doses of over two hundred milligrams per kilogram breath body weight now it would be extremely difficult to get that much. CBD In your bloodstream. Through typical consumption methods to put this into perspective for an average human that way sixty five kilograms around one hundred and forty four pounds two hundred milligrams per kilogram equates to a dose of cross Manley. Thirteen thousand milligrams grams or thirteen grams of Piercy in this thirteen grams of CBD would have to be in your bloodstream to reach this L. D. Fifty now consider that CBD rich canvas like him contains approximately ten to twenty percent CBD or hundred to two hundred milligrams of CBD per gram of cannabis flower. So if you consume Graham CBD rich cannabis flower. You're ultimately going to be exposed to maybe two hundred milligrams of CBD at best now ignoring the fact that not everything that's in that flowers can actually make it into your body and ignoring the fact that everything that makes it into your body is not necessarily going to make it into your bloodstream or reach any sites of action in your body norring all those facts two hundred milligrams is approximately approximately one and a half percent of the thirteen grams. You would need to get to the lethal dose of seen a lot of people conflate even presentations resin -tations at conferences can flate the side effect profile a pure CBD at high dosage to CBS. In general. And that's it's not a fair comparison. I would say the Connecticut Dial Aw. Despite its many complex mechanisms of of action is an extremely safe drug with very few adverse events now to put this into further context. Let's consider the fifties fifties of some other compounds. You might be familiar with timeout. For many men of medicine usually means just long enough to enjoy a cigarette for nicotine L. D. fifty eight to thirteen milligrams per kilogram of body weight which for most humans equates to something a little over a half a gram. I'm of pure nicotine which equates to about forty cigarettes or so forty cigarettes. That's still a lot but you can see how that that would be actually physically possible to achieve and something that you need to really be careful about you. Can you know die from nicotine poisoning poisoning although it it is pretty rare now. What about caffeine another drug that you know people are commonly exposed to even more so than nicotine the elderly fifty of caffeine is two hundred milligrams per kilogram of body weight through quarrel administration? Now this this is important to take note of this two hundred milligrams per kilogram which sound similar to the C. B. D. L. Fifty two hundred milligrams per kilogram but we're talking talking about oral administration and Caffeine Versus Intravenous Administration in CBD huge differences. Not Everything that you consume zoom orally is GonNa make it to your blood so the fifty for caffeine is actually a lot lower than CBD. meaning that it. It is easier to achieve a lethal dose of caffeine than it is to achieve a lethal dose of CBD now two hundred milligrams per kilogram of body weight for oral. Oh Caffeine that ends up equating to somewhere between seventy five and one hundred cups of coffee back to back as fast as you can drink him once again pretty hard to achieve. Maybe that's possible You'd probably have a number of other issues before you got to that seventy Fifth Cup of coffee but the point is is that reaching the lethal dose for. CBD is even harder much harder than even reaching the lethal dose of Caffeine Gene. Now you may be saying okay. Sure it may be difficult to lethally overdose on THC or CBD but cannabis abysses a lot more than thc or CD. And you'd absolutely be right. So just how many reported deaths are there says. He did with cannabis use while many advocates of cannabis claim that there have been no deaths attributed to cannabis. That's not exactly true however the numbers still extremely greenlee extremely low. There have been a handful of case. Studies reported that have linked fatal heart attacks and lung infections with cannabis use but these reports have been difficult to confirm definitively during autopsies. They tend to try to look for drugs in the system. Canvas tends to stand out in their community member of reasons for that one is can avenue. It's linger in the body longer than a lot of other drugs. But even with that controlled old. There are some cases where it seems like the only thing out of the ordinary that someone encountered right before they died was cannabis and we can't can't just totally rule. Those case studies out now. Consider there have been handful of reports of people that they've had these heart attacks or lung infections that have died supposedly because of their cannabis use. Now let's also consider that there are commit to be approximately one hundred million people in the United States alone that admit to having at least tried cannabis once in well over thirty million people that are classified as regular users in the United States. Now that's just based on how many people are willing to admit their own canvas on a survey the actual numbers. We don't really know but you know we know. There are a lot of cannabis users in the United States. So we're looking at a handful of possible. Fatalities linked candidacies compared to tens of millions of users regular users repeated users. So let's assume one out of ten million users were to die from cannabis use in some way it'll be camel trick conservative here. That would mean that you would have zero point. Zero zero zero zero one percent chance of dying just this from candidacies. Even that's an exaggerated number to put that into context. You'd have a much greater chance of dying by getting into a car crash. Sure getting struck by lightning than you would from using cannabis so okay. It's unlikely anyone's GonNa die from a lethal overdose of cannabis. But what about other health risks without already all the entire family with the next all reefer madness in propaganda side. There are a variety of research papers out there that have summarized common realistic health. Risks of cannabis use one. Common Symptom of cannabis. Use is dry mouth also called zero zero Estonia. It can negatively affect mouth health if not managed properly and can lead to changes to the bacteria and funding that live in our mouths this can potentially lead to things like gum disease tooth decay bad breath even altered sense of taste and is pretty strange now. Many may assume that. The dry mouth effect from cannabis use is related to smoking talking but this does not seem to be the case. The dry mouth affect directly linked to the stimulation of economic receptors in the body. Regardless of how you choose tease cannabis and another thing. Cannabis affects directly blood pressure. Interestingly enough cannabis can lead to lower blood pressure. With repeated use but at high dosages and acutely cannabis can actually elevate blood pressure. Heart rate this can be particularly problematic for users that have a prior history of heart issues such as high blood pressure or previous previous occurrences of heart attacks in this effect of course can be made worse by smoking. Additionally if you're smoking cannabis you also run a greater risk of experiencing chronic bronchitis emphysema. THC Cannabis can cause motor coordination disruption essentially increasing risk of falls home or workplace accidents and car wrecks however. This effect tends to be much more mild. Infrequent users that have built up a tolerance rich cannabis see present several psychological health risks to users including memory disruption anxiety theory and when it comes to the negative psychological effects of cannabis. The newer infrequent users are more likely to experience those effects compared to regular users additionally cannabis can act as a precipitating event for mental health problems to reveal themselves themselves in younger users. But we'll talk more about that later. Although canvases gained popularity for being dental treatment for seizure trimmer conditions like epilepsy. Parkinson's Anson's there has been. Some research has revealed that cannabis could actually exacerbate these conditions but more research is needed in addition to these risks. There's there's also a condition that can develop in chronic users usually in users that have been using high. THC cannabis regularly for two years. Or more called cannabinoid hyper Mesa Syndrome in estates where pot is legal. Doctors are seeing an increase in violent illness. Global doctors are seeing an uptick. In a rare illness caused by chronic cannabis use for unclear reasons. The nausea and vomiting are relieved by hot showers or baths since two thousand nine emergency room visits for C H S in to Colorado hospitals. Nearly doubled good. News is for anyone that may experience this condition. It typically goes away if you simply stop using cannabis for a while. However there are some reported cases where users that stopped using cannabis to recover re-experience the nausea and vomiting symptoms? When they started using canvas again you can have annoyed hyper Mesa? Syndrome is somewhat controversial condition. There are some people out there that claim that it's likely caused by contaminants like pesticides in cannabis products rather than the canaveral. Its founding canvas however this has not been substantiated as of yet. Just don't really know exactly what's going on here. Also states that have legalized cannabis. Use reports of this condition are starting to become more and more prevalent as people become more comfortable talking about their canvas us with their healthcare providers So potentially this conditions actually more widespread than once thought. We just don't really know yet. The next the thing I wanted to explore were drug interactions with cannabis so so canvas indefinitely interact with meds. That's Janice Champagne a registered nurse. Who over the past? Several years has focused focused attention almost exclusively on cannabis and that's one of the big areas we assess with patients in fact we have a list of criteria on our website under the Faq you that it kind of guides patients through a questionnaire You know do you have a cardiac condition. Do you have cancer. You have diabetes. You know as for child or adolescent isn't where they should seek medical oversight of their therapy and pharmaceutical interactions are probably the big one that could potentially cause harm and I know that is such an unpopular message. But I've seen some close calls. I seen some near misses end. I'm telling you in a perfect storm scenario. Somebody could get harmed in the reputation reputation of cannabis as a safe. Medication goes out the window. You know I had an eighty something year old woman with chronic pain in Michigan and she went into a dispensary three which she called the health clinic. She thought she was medical advice. And for chronic pain never used cannabis. She was taking a law which interacts with. THC In a way that can caused somebody to think they're having a heart attack and they end up in the air. This bud tender sold her a three hundred milligram. THC Candy Bar. But don't worry told told her only half. Oh my gosh. Fifty million was hyper days and God. She happened to space it away from her medications or that could have been a real problem. So you know these and that's just a medication interaction but then you have other interactions with like chemotherapies where it's where combined with. CBD can expedite liver failure So I mean there's definitely reasons to seek medical oversight You know when when those conditions are present other healthcare. Oh care professionals. I spoke with said that. They're particularly concerned about interactions with things like blood thinning medications. Chemotherapy drugs epilepsy drugs and immune system therapy drugs like doc ID treatments. It's been long known that certain foods and medications can change the way the body metabolize things like other foods and drugs us. This effect is so well known with grapefruit that some drugs even have an actual grapefruit warning on. If you ever see a grapefruit warning on the medication is referring to this potential interaction that could occur where compounds in the grapefruit down the liver's ability to metabolize a lot of different medications by inhibiting a group of enzymes called the P four fifty times. This inhibition will cause the levels of medications and the blood to rise so for people taking drugs with a narrow safety windows. Ms Can actually be really problematic. Well it turns out that. CBD Exhibits the same effect the grapefruit effect affect the CD markets just exploding race. Where oversights kind of weird it is and CBD has the most interaction? Promise deliver your a friend and you combine it with CBD. It's going to increase the efficacy of the war friend. And you can see where internal bleeding could be peja side effective out of a patients on hypertension medications occasions and they WANNA try. CBD for pain. We still teach. Watch your blood pressure. Take it every day. If it's low you know don't take one or the other documented for your physician and start talking about. I'm taking this. And it's lowering my blood pressure. Can we start to wane off the farmer anyone using CBD particularly high hi doses of CBD along with other medications should be particularly cautious and work with the healthcare professional stay safe. Let's review what we've learned so far the primary constituents of cannabis resins. THC IN CD or to be more accurate. THC A and CD YEA are not toxic in. It's virtually impossible to lethally overdose on canopus canvas products. But there are other health. Risks Risks Associated with cannabis use like risks to lung health mouth health mental health heart health. Many of these risks can be minimized by simply avoiding smoking and using low doses of cannabis can interact with medications and anyone taking drugs with narrow safety windows his or medications that have grapefruit warning on them should make sure to work with the healthcare professional. Stay safe so far. Everything we've explored about the health risks risks of cannabis have ignored a critical element. contaminants join me in part two of this series where we explored contaminants additives and cannabis products until next time. I'm your host Jason Wilson. Thanks and take it easy. It special thanks to our guests. 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Ep. 3 Ghost Train Haze & MJ for MD interview

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Ep. 3 Ghost Train Haze & MJ for MD interview

"Yeah. Welcome to nj review podcast. It's Chris here. Catherine it off to my left. Hey, guys. It's Margot over here. And I'm gonna pass it on to my left loves up. Everybody. It's Jake here guys. Let's go. You know, what we got some really great information here. Good stuff updates in the cannabis industry. And we're gonna have a really awesome guest on here with us. It's the director of cannabis clinicians, Martha Montemayor who's going to be talking about the MJ for MD conference that were heading to this week guys. Packed. Oh, yeah. And always remembered there are tickets still available to this awesome conference that we're gonna be talking about in just a little bit a while. So yeah, you guys what's going on in the industry. Let's be blood. All right. Well, I think we got open it up with what's happened in Massachusetts. Exciting news for Massachusetts choosy. Since I you know, what I I don't know that live in Massachusetts overly does Massachusetts come across. I think Massachusetts I bet it's Massachusetts. Are finally Foley going to be getting recreational cannabis within hopefully a few weeks Ray? Well, I mean probably a lot longer. Yeah. Damn won't be able to go buy it. But it is passed it has going through lab testing. And once all that lab testing is done they can start producing and bring it out to the retail shops. Now, they issued four retail licenses going to bring up they are. They are limiting the scope of this recreational program to start let's start and it's a nice start, exactly. Well, good luck with that. Massachusetts will see how long those lines. We'll see you soon. Yes. We will. So I wanted to bring up something that was really cool because we need it. Illinois is now seeing skyrocket numbers in the medical marijuana program that we have the opioid program. That's definitely where it's all coming from with the governor rounder signing off on the opioid alternative act that we had it's going to be a mess, but I'm happy to see numbers or up. Another report that went on was that medical marijuana uses up eighty percent in Illinois. So that is really awesome was on the TV news. And Utah's backing their pop plants apprising -ly. So we'll see how that goes. A mormons. I'm so sign Mormons back their pop plan. You're talking about Utah. You're probably talking Mormons. So yeah, that's our let's be blunt and anyone have any hash. It out comments that you guys want to enter in probably just a few words for any Massachusetts or to site. She sites. However, you tell us what the name is for anybody living in Massachusetts. Don't go grabs money out of an ATM right now, you're going to be waiting for a little bit these places need to be tested. The lead needs to be tested before it can even be shipped. That's going to take a couple of weeks. Good news. Just hang hang tight though. I I think that they should already get into into line for their dispensary because for four dispense like high phone to be sick. You gotta get your camping gear. I don't know if you need to go that far, but definitely identify which one's going to be closest to you. Yeah. There are only four so you could be taken quite the hike to get to one. Hopefully, not I don't I am looked at a map of where they're all placed. But I would hope that there is some equal dispersion, you know, try to get a little bit of state involved. But not. And just in case you were wondering if you do wanna find these retailers that were licensed that's a north Hampton, and there's three and light glide Chester like like us. Never been there. Massachusetts lie Chester. You know, make your make your places easier to pronounce. Have a hard time talking here. I've just bad at pronouncing. It's all fun. We love you Massachusetts of Corey and congratulations on your recreation. Yes. And with the numbers skyrocket guy, rocketing Hilla. Well, this is time to be happening. I mean, this is still a pilot program in Illinois. So we could technically you still lose our medical marijuana program. But we definitely want people to go vote. Oh, yeah. This is a reminder for everyone out there. Go register to vote because voting is right around the corner. You already know for fact that you're registered just go check again and takes thirty seconds. And you can be a one hundred percent certain like we moved here. And apparently now I have to go reregistered engine address nano that, but yeah, just registered to go to vote because this November is going to be such a jet detrimental potentially that tremendous of owning time to go out to vote. Wouldn't say detrimental. I mean, I hope everybody's going out to vote. All right. This is a really important time to go out and vote guys. This is November two thousand eighteen we're going to be voting in a new governor. Hopefully with all you guys going out there to vote tell your grandma tell your mom, tell your best friend all your dog till everyone except if they're dead. They cannot go in vote portly or. Dog though. Let's see who's working in the grind. We have Martha monta Meyer here with us from J M D conference that we're going to be attending. So we just wanted to point out that when we went to the cannon expo last month. There was a lot of people just having a lot of issues with their doctors not being really informed all with cannabis or bud tenders even having issues just prescribing patients for their illness. What helps them out at this point? It's still test and trial with your own body because everybody is still different from one another. But this conference is a great conference of this is our first time going to it. But this is the fourth annual year that it's been going on. Some great things from some other people in the industry as well. They went to an attendant they told us to this going to be really beneficial. So we're going to be sharing information with you guys from there. We're going to be gathering some interviews from people there as well. But that's this October fourteenth sixteenth. That's the this week, actually. So we're lucky enough to have Martha Monto Meyer with us here. And we're so excited. Thank you. Martha thank Margot were really looking forward to having you at the conference. So this is our third MJ firmed these conference in our name was originally instill kind of is marijuana for medical professionals. But we didn't realize that having the m word would cause us to be rejected from so many sites and not be able to join Google for nonprofits and threw off of all these other problems. So we shortened it to MJ from dis. Anyway, nj for him dis is a conference designed specifically for medical professionals. But that also. Clued professionals who are working with medical marijuana patients in that might be bud. Tenders might be dispensary owners might be people who create as your dose edibles for sale in those dispensers. So really anyone working with medical marijuana patients? Now, if you are a doctor or a nurse, you do get special credits for attending the conference doctors get what's called Siham, ease or continuing medical education credits, while the nurses get see us continuing education units that they can use to help renew their medical professional licenses. So we find it's really great to put these two groups of people together dispensaries and the doctors, and that's because of weird conflicting laws that sort of leave the patient out of the care, for example, in Colorado right now doctors allowed to write a recommendation not a prescription, but a recommendation for medical marijuana to a qualified patient now that recommendation though, as it's not a prescription is often kind of Lou. It's often suggestions on where to start a couple of things to try. But the doctrine Colorado is not allowed to have a relationship or to recommend any specific dispensary or caregiver. So it's kind of you're on your own kid now problem as soon as you have the recommendation conversely editor dispensary dispensary workers are not doctors. And so they're not allowed to give medical advice. But all the time people are walking into the dispensary going. Hey, I have migraine headaches. What should I try? So it's kind of a conundrum on that's one of the things that we try to face at the conference can't really just blows my mind that you know, that disconnect between your medical professional, and your bud tender that supposed to be helping you with your ailments. We've heard a lot about that at the Kennedy expo that we went to earlier in September. And this is a great conference to answer a lot of those questions. But like we said it was just trials. You know, everybody is different. But yes, so tell us more. About the highlights that you're going to be having at the conference. So the everybody's different brings up another good point, which is that medical marijuana doesn't fit the conventional model of research. One of the things that we hear all the time from politicians when they try to deny medical marijuana laws in different states is that there's quote just not enough research. But if you go to PubMed dot gov, which is the government's site for publishing medical research, if you type in the word cannabis or cannabinoid or marijuana hundred twenty six thousand entries come up between those three words actually tons of research out there. Now, here's the problem though. Marijuana does not conform to the conventional medicine model of research on that model is that you have a single molecule that the certain chemical that can be synthesized in a lab. And that particular chemical has a regular affect at a certain dose on one hundred fifty pound, man. Guess what? Marijuana doesn't work that way. You can give the same dose of the same thing in cannabis to seven different people and you'll get seven different results. Here's the thing. That's eight. Okay. No one has ever died of marijuana overdose in the history of mankind. So it's very safe medicine. No matter what the does. Now what we do about. That. Is we bring in researchers from all over the world to speak and present on what they're doing at the conference. Yeah, we're really excited to be hearing from a lot of people from Israel to France to our homeland state to everyone across the nation. This is going to be amazing to hear all these updates in the medical findings that they have and just to hear their stories that how they have been struggling to try to get their patients. I'm sure to get on board because everyone has different thoughts to this cannabis. So examples of that. So Rafeal Meshulam who I mentioned earlier is eight years old now he's called the grandfather of cannabis medicine because he's a man who I ice related THC in the nineteen sixties, and he went on to write the chemical structure for CBD later on in the nineties, and he made all these discoveries of THC CD all the other cannabinoid along the way he was the first person to talk about whether or not the body makes its own cannabis. And he's the first person to discover that it does any name that chemical anonymous knowing that's something a lot of people don't know is that our bodies actually make our own cannabis. And that's why we have receptors for. It's not just for a plant that we smoked. So Meshulam speaking via Skype because he's eighty eight and he doesn't travel to Colorado anymore. He doesn't feel so well at the L Tutut, but we'll give him a pass on that speaking via Skype on day three about the future of cannabis medicine, and how he sees that progressing into the future. Now, we also have coming live Reuven or an oath not of Mogi has on pronounce your name, but they're coming from Israel as well. And they're gonna be here live talking about their work with cancer patients in cannabis in Israel where they actually have a dispensary inside the hospital. Whoa. It's totally unlike here, it's a the cannabis dispensary is literally in Adaza Research Hospital there in Jerusalem Shula marks at one end of the building and Reuven or does not Omondi work at the other. So we also have people coming in from Puerto Rico in France, just like you said, we're so excited have these people. So another example, let's talk about where to Rico. You know, you remember hurricane Maria last year. And you heard about the problems with getting medicines to people after the hurricane. So Dr Jose Francis chigney is the chairman of the department of psychiatry at university of central Caribbean medical school in Puerto Rico, and he's talking about how cannabis helps he'll mind and body on one of the things that happened after the hurricane was there was a rush of people to join the medical marijuana registry in Puerto Rico because that was the medicine they had available. So it's really fascinating how it helps people out even in natural disasters. So for. The three days that we're going to be there. What is it gonna be like, can you tell us a little bit? It is a lot of chemistry lectures. I'm sorry to announce nerds. When we love that stuff chemistry, lectures. Galore day one is our cannabis specialist basic certification day. So if few tend on day one which is a Sunday on purpose. Just in case, you have a regular job, you know. But that day you actually get an eight hour certificate for having spent the day in the classroom learning about medical marijuana. So it's the basics. What is the end of cannabinoid system? How does it work? How this cannabis move through the body. We're gonna hear from some doctors about how they treat common conditions with cannabis. Doctor Mitch breeze is a physical pain rehabilitation specialist. We've got Dr Joseph Cohen from here in Denver and he runs a medical marijuana evaluation clinic, and then we've to dispensaries in there as well. And we've got native roots and late shade. And the way that it works is everyone talks about one condition say migraine headaches back pain in sleep, you know, common things like that. We all see every day. So the doctors go through what they know. Normally recommend to a patient for medical marijuana and the dispensary say haha, we don't have anything like them on the shelf. I mean sort of but they say here's how we would approach that recommendation from Dr product standpoint and then on day two we have cannabis in international research. So we've talked about the Isreaeli coming over. We've talked about Dr Francis chigney from Puerto Rico, and then we also have our morning who is Giovanni Marcico Bordeaux France, and he's been working on cannabis neural adaptation in the brain for fourteen years now with a team there. So they're going to be talking about pathway of the CB wonder sceptre through the brain. And how it works as moves through all stages receptors in the brain because cannabis is actually the largest receptor network in the brain. It is ten times larger than our receptor system for morphine. Will that is incredible? It is a huge system. And then we move on that day to cannabis opiates. We have Dr. Madonna volun- who manages a cannabis opiates. She gets people off of opiates by using cannabis out in Massachusetts. And she also worked a lot of professional athletes, and some of the athletes are pretty amazing. So, you know, Mike Tyson the boxer, of course. Okay. Do you know how Mike Tyson used to be a bit of a kind of a bad? Boy. Yes. Definitely. I guess that's one way to put. It will Mike Tyson is now actually a vegan. He's a famous vegetarian turned his life around and cannabis has been part of that journey part of that transformation. So we're gonna be talking to mR Tyson. Also, do some other NFL in H O athletes who have found that marijuana has been helpful to them after their play days are over on. They still have pain resulting problems from playing sports. Those will be some interesting panels to listen in on. I'm definitely excited to hear from the NFL players. And you said Mike Tyson is he going to be speaking or yell? He's gonna be on the panel. The panel is run by Dr her demoss. Now, her was actually born in port au prince Haiti, but you know, turned out to be a football prodigy on was drafted by the Buffalo Bills out of high school and or out of college. And unfortunately, he tore his Nita shreds during his first year playing for the NFL, but that's to our benefit because he went to medical school them. And now, he's a full MD. And that's what he does is. He helps people who have problems from their playing career recover from that using medical marijuana while that'd be incredible to hear on. Okay. Moving onto DC three day three is cannabis into the future in. Oh, we know how it's working now with opiates, we know the research is going on with with different cancers. But what's coming up? One of the things that happened in Colorado. This year was we tried to add autism as a qualifying condition for. Medical marijuana got pretty far actually eighty five percent of the Colorado legislature voted in favor of adding medical marijuana or autism spectrum disorder. Unfortunately, it was vetoed. By the governor. At the last minute saying there wasn't enough research again back to that old line. So we're gonna hear some of that research to find out whether or not cannabis may be a good choice for people with autism spectrum disorder, and that's one of our in future. And then we have Meshulam, of course, talking about his view of where he thinks is going with cannabis, and then we have our legal panel. We have lawyers from here in Colorado talking about some of the pitfalls of writing medical marijuana recommendations as doctor and then have some patients who suffered some legal issues result. Well, you might ask what are some of those problems the legal problems people might have? And there's a couple of things that people don't realize, you know, hospitals tend to take federal funds in half to follow. Some federal rules because of that so any baby born in a hospital in Colorado is actually diaper tested for the presence of teach see in their bloodstream or in their urine. Actually. And if the baby test positive for THC, the child protective services agency can come in and take that baby. Even if the person was using medically, so it's a real conundrum, and it's been a problem on. It's something that we have experts to address we also have a wonderful lecture by Dr Laura borger of the sky school of pharmacy, who's the world's foremost expert on cannabis in pregnancy and lactation, and she'll tell you whether or not that's a big deal if the baby test positive for teach or if it's no big deal. We do know that fetal alcohol syndrome was real in serious risk right yet. Guess what? There is no such thing as fetal marijuana syndrome. It doesn't exist. It is not a thing. So it's once again that actually may be a point. Where we don't have enough research one, you know, that one I am definitely personally as a female very interested to hear. She's a pretty amazing research. She's the world's far most expert on cannabis in pregnancy and lactation. So what else are you interested in? We probably got it on all we have an interesting one also on day one we opened the day with Dr Regina Nelson. She's a PHD. And Dr Nelson says right now if you're patient is death. There is only worn American sign language signed for marijuana. So if you're talking to your definition of cannabis the really isn't language to complete that encounter in a meaningful way. So she is working towards adding in new American sign language signs to describe medical cannabis and to help the doctor with that encounter. Wow. That is so neat. And it's called signs for the times. We hope to have everyone up there waving their hands in the air and figuring out new ways to talk to their patients. We've got some famous names coming to Dr Rachel knocks Oregon's who's a very. Sought after speaker, and we're really lucky to have her and she's going to be talking about some of the pitfalls faces so drug interactions cautions. In most cases, as we know marijuana's never killed anyone. But other drugs have I mean too much alcohol you die. Take too many of some certain pills, and you die dick too much marijuana. You have a bad afternoon, but it can have very bad afternoon, and you can actually exacerbate some other drugs with marijuana. They can make even worse. So she's going to be speaking on cautions drug interactions for us. That is definitely something that we in Illinois are questioning about our governor just signed in an opioid alternative act, and we have a very large amount of people finding up for cards. But just the bud tenders. They're telling us that they just are really nervous who's gonna be watching over the patients in their interactions with their drugs, if they have any liver issues in so on and so forth. But that will be definitely a good. Good stuff that we should share with people too. To you know, that's actually a good point. Then we're going to talk about that on a couple of our panels is different ways, different states approach medical marijuana. And how to work within the laws of your state to really help your patients, for example, doctor demoss actually works out of Miami, Florida, Dr previous works out of Pennsylvania. And then we have Dr Donna ball and out of NASA -chusetts on that's very different than the way things work in Colorado. We have Mara Gordon coming in from California where we have different laws once again. So we had a speaker last at our last one from Illinois that we talked about earlier than I think you've met Joseph Friedman actually pharmacy year and Joe's actually, a pharmacist and he works out of a dispensary advising patients. So everyone does it differently. And there's a lot of different approaches to take. But yeah, so are the ticket syllable. There are absolutely to still tickets available. We sold over two. Thirds, but there are still few left if you want to attend it is three day conferences starts on Sunday. So, you know, if you're brand new to medical marijuana, you wanna come all three days, if you already know the basics don't need that cannabis basic certification from Sunday come for Monday, Tuesday, if you're most interested in international research, that's they too. If you wanna look at into the future day three is really a great day. Or like, you said it's we've got a lot of women's issues on that day as well. And we have the legal issues will thank you so much Martha that was incredible to hear. So we are hoping that you guys are excited just as much as we are to go to this nj for MD conference, and we are going to be sharing everything that we find out that is beneficial for everyone to know that was just a huge stash of information. I think we just got so excited to actually be there this weekend to find out. Just what's going to be in that? Stash? Do you wanna see what's in my stash? I actually I think I might what's in you. Stand. A good one this time. It's a little bit festive Halloween. It's ghost train Hayes spooky shoot. Coming through goes trae. All right. Anne way. Let's get into this one. This one was a flower that I consumed, and this is actually from San Francisco, California. But this one is a very heavy hitting potent sativa in derived from the ghost OG and Nevels wreck strain. Just like the Chicago blue dream from last week. This is a unique one even though this is not it. Harbors? Dent buds with a heavy coat of try combs covering the buds like snow pretty so it's really very pretty perfect for October. Hence the name though, larger doses are known to induce cerebral haziness. So it's a good idea to start low at this one dose low especially for Jake. Definite dose, low kind of guy. I believe in less as more. So here, let's the look of this one is really pretty this one has more of a dense luck than most achieve as I said, it's coated with a nice thick layer of THC tricalm's at fall off to touch was really nice. They mostly have a vibrant green color with the mixed orange hairs underneath all the try combs. But on occasion, you will see that pretty purple color. That's always a nice little treat when he get one up some. Purple buds. There's nothing nothing better than purple buds. Even though it doesn't necessarily mean. It's better buds now. But. Little splash of color vibrancy that just makes pop above the orange hairs purple. It's it's almost it is almost two holiness. Very contrast. Very nice. Yeah. And royalty. So we're gonna dress like a king or clean smoke. Some of this of its purple the king of hall Queen Royal purple now, let's go right into the aroma of this. Once you open this jar ghost train Hayes, you'll notice a real pungent skunk, aroma mixed with a nice citrus scent. I love citrus scented bugs and just like the smell that taste of. This has a nice earthy citrus. Taste I want to imagine. It's like picking a lemon from a tree and just kind of like, you know, rubbing your against your thumbnail or something to get the citrus juices. So you just lick that earthy citrus. Copies my friend. Just my that's just what I think. I don't know. I feel like that would be a reasonable comparison of tastes. The medical aspect of this is pretty good. That's a this is a unique one in the sense of if you use more or less, it'll give you different affects. So this one is particularly good. When you use it less. Really helps with depression and stress. It gives you a really uplifting. Happy feeling after the effects kickin. So it's really great for that. If you start low if you keep smoking a little more this though, it's great for severe pain. Thanks to the high amounts of THC in this really good for bad back pain. Or if you're just having horrible of you broke your arm or something really, really, bad pain or chronic pain, really good for that. And then if you have just a little bit of this. There's a little bit of secondary medicinal benefits. I would say it really helps with appetite loss and mild headaches while okay? Yeah. So it it does have some nice medicinal benefits. Would you say that this is a strain to, you know, have your out for if in case you're under the new alternative opioid, Jack? Yes. Because it will last you out longer you'll be using less of it. You don't need that much for that. Instant because this is a super heavy hitter. Okay. So that that would be a really good one uplift your mood a little bit that being said recreational effects are pretty fun, but they can get a little a little unfunny if you use too much so like I said before dose low start low go. Hi, you've been warned you've been warned. But this one's definitely a fun strain as long as you're not a very anxious person that that's one of the negative side effects will go into in a second. But goes Trane Hayes delivers a really strong uplifting. Euphoria really heightens the mood brings a straight to your happy place that it's a really nice one for that. If you just wanna have a good time with your friends, you wanna laugh a lot giggly. You guys are gonna have a lot of fun. It also is good for energy, actually. So if you are feeling a little drowsy little hazy, this is kind of good to smoke in really small doses. During the day, it'll kind of Energi. Is you and then as the effects wear off the hazy relaxed state kicks in? So it's great for the end of the day were around like after dinnertime, he smoke some of us just a little bit a little a little bit of energy but couple hours go by effects wear off. And you're laxed. You're ready to go to bed. It won't put you to sleep. But sure will put you in a relaxed state like a great, bud. Yeah. And that's not even it there's more but late. Tell me tell me some microdosing this strain. So you don't really you're not really going to get very high. But if you really microdosing so you go lower than the low dose, and I suggested before than it really helps with concentration and inducing creativity. So it's great for artists of any sort interesting cooking, culinary painting, photography, whatever kind of the model. How much time do you guys have did co wilting? Like all day. But I feel like there's more that you're not telling us. You're right. You're right because people want to know the negatives. So every great thing has its negatives. They can't have too much of a good thing. So that being said since it is a heavy hitter. I'm going to stress it again, be careful with dosing this start low when you're trying this out. He take too much off the bat. It definitely can induce anxiety and paranoia. So be careful the dosage nobody wants to be paranoid. Nobody wants to feel anxious. We're trying to leave those. So be careful and on top of you also will have dry eyes and a dry mouth just like any other just like any other bud pretty much. You're gonna get some dryness. And also, you might have a little bit of a little bit of dizzy failing. Okay. So this is one where you definitely want to start really low in then build up because you can always smoke more. You can't really smoke less. Exactly. Exactly. Says more. So be careful overall though, this one I would give it a four out of five goes Trane Hayes. The only reason I'm giving this one four out of five just because you need to be careful at dosing. If you don't that's not gonna be fun with that being said four out of five stars fantastic strain. I love this one is a real heavy hitter. If you really into heavy hitters, if you if you don't have that much money, and you want to just get a nice, strong sativa strain that will last you a little while. This is a great one this one should appeal to you, then and just wanna reward everybody there is that little bit of double edged sword. Breaking help you with things iding, depression, but smoke too much, and it'll flip it in the opposite direction hundred percent true. Absolutely. So that's that's why I stress with this one be careful dosing start low. And if you go up from there if you are comfortable, and if you are a medical patient and just on accident. You do have too much. I think that we've got we can recommend. Yes. Actually. It's a fantastic product. Yeah. We heard about this undo the vitamin that. Actually, a natural all natural herbs or vitamins and minerals in there that lower the head high but still give you the minutes before benefits of it. Right. It won't take away. Your high completely however will take away that anxiety and paranoia feeling if you feel uncomfortable or stomach achey from it. It really helps with that. Honestly, I was skeptical about it. I was like this gotta be a placebo hands down see though. And then I took too much oil one day, and it's like, well, I can always undo better try that out. So I did and within like twenty twenty five minutes. I started feeling much better. I was able to enjoy myself once again, I was not feeling uncomfortable. Bill can't get their hands on some undo because it's still new product. It's not a. Everywhere we recommend CBD Mako CBD. Definitely, you know, levels out your, hi, I'm -solutely definitely can help level you out CBD can help combat that that psychosis that you're getting from too much THC things -iety or entire container full of pepper. I mean it'll help but it's just there are some natural kills pistachios. Citrus. Oh, like, orange juice pepper to not maybe a whole shaker of it. Just don't put a shot class in their nine take that. Yeah. Again, it got to say maybe weird hobbies for you. Maybe other people just want to go out and get some salt and pepper pistachios. Spicy. Either way. There was are awesome things that can help you help bring you back from the edge. If you just walk a little bit too close or even go ahead and jump off. It don't do that. Don't do that. Don't evolve it. If it does at Chris. So much for that. Awesome review. Jake. I am you time really looking forward to trying that again. Are you gonna are you gonna use it with trick or treaters? I will. And I will be ghosting them on my train into Hayes. Okay. By ghosting. You're going to get an answer the door candy. Got from behind the curtain make sure that they see you and then just put the curtain back away. That's a good Halloween costume to be a ghost train. Caboose? A big scary ghost in the front. Good one. All right. We'll thank you guys so much for listening in. 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Cannabis, Endometriosis & Sex

Sex with Dr. Jess

39:00 min | 10 months ago

Cannabis, Endometriosis & Sex

"You're listening to the sacs with Dr Jess podcast, sacks and relationship advice. You can use tonight. Ex Dr Podcast. I'm your co host Brandon wear here with my lovely other half, Dr. Jess Hey, hey, how's it going awesome? We're going to be talking about sex and cannabis today. Yeah I've had some experiences with cannabis. And sex or just can't. This, just no I mean with both but my experiences cannabis have been. Up and down back and forth. For a while, it was for a while. It was great and it wasn't once. Since, then it has not existed here of staining I have abstained for over a decade. Has it been a decade been over? Ten or twelve years. Since that fateful night since that night while yeah, that was that was not great for me. Do you remember when we used to enjoy Friday nights a little bit of cannabis and a lot of sour candies, chocolates kraft dinner and chips and I would get upset if I didn't get all four of my food groups. Engage in some cannabis consumption, and then you would send me and a good friend over to the store to load up on. All of those goodies and it was great walking over there. I'm sure we look like a couple of fools. Do you remember on sex while we were high? Not at all? No, no, not really I remember. It was great. I remember a few times where it went on and on and on and on and I'm sure it didn't. Complaints No, no, it wasn't it. Sorry, did I say it that way. No actually. It wasn't I mean I have no problem complaining. For those of you behind the scenes. She lets me know when it doesn't work totally. Not Working. The, I remember feeling like this one experience just lasted and lasted and lasted and the I. We're going to be talking about things a little bit more. I think interesting and complex than our recreational, totally civilian use and I'm curious about what can be used now. That doesn't necessarily result in that psychotropic effect right, though because it's not just about getting high there, so many of the benefits exactly and so our guest is the expert in that will will leave that. That to her, and before we welcome her on, I want to say thanks to womanizer and encourage folks to check out the womanizer premium, so even if you don't love the name, this toy is incredible. It's what we call pleasure air technology people describe it as a section toy, but it's not a section. It's got this little loop this little opening that goes over the head of the CL. It releases tiny little bursts of air wave like Aaron, it feels. sort of like A. Like oh! My nation of sucking and licking and kind of a gentle blowing and rubbing. It's really awesome, so check out the womanizer toys. Please use code. DOCTOR JESS AT WOMANIZER DOT COM, wherever you are in the world and get credit for. Their knowing that you're listening to this podcast very much. Appreciate it, so it's womanizer. Dot Com, and the code is as always trying to make the code on every site D. R. J. E. S. S., and you knew I want adopt I wanNA. Drop the damn doctor. I mean why not I know it's just. I've created the brand around it folks. It's so funny because even when I meet people. They say hey. Dr Jefferson unlike no just call me, Jess. Only Brandon has to call me Dr. Back to the sexual experiences. Me Dr Yeah well that that's a hot thing that's totally different and that that pre existed the the. All right joining us today we have Antoinette Gomez. Pleasure peaks. Thank you so much for being here, Antoinette at tell us about pleasure peaks what it is you do and why you founded this company. Of course. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here today. Pleasure pressure peaks It was one of my first cannabis companies that I started back in Twenty fifteen pre legalization. I'm a background is in holistic nutrition I was always really interested about superfoods, and how to really heal yourself naturally through holistic foods, and it was always shocking to me when it came to superfoods and cannabis, being one of them, and once I started working at a chronic pain clinic. had access to thousands of patients that are telling me that they were using cannabis to help treat their sexual health ailments and I was absolutely blown away. There's no way this is true. I had people telling me that they were using? Cannabis for multiple chronic ailments from cancer to veterans who have Crohn's disease? Endometriosis and thing that really stuck out to me is that there's a huge demographic of? Specifically that aren't having the best sex lives of their dreams, and not only that a lot of them are dealing with a lot of pain, medication, or even sometimes psychological trauma, and that was something that was very eye opening for me from a person who didn't have pain in in intercourse, never had problems achieving an orgasm during sex, or never had fertility issues, but I found that there is a huge demographic of women that were suffering in silence and I felt that it was. Really disheartening to understand that they didn't really have products or support or information to really have an optimal sex life regardless of whatever you're dealing. Medically so pleasure peaks is a cannabis based women's Sexual Health Company. It's a community we. Have lots of events throughout the year that really educate people on cannabis, and how other patients have also used it to help their sexual health ailments, and we also have a podcast as well as a platform for women to share their stories as well for a woman who? Have had endometriosis and have been told that they'll never have children at a very young age in their early twenty s to using cannabis suppositories for six months and getting pregnant or woman with having fibroids, which is a uterus in a tumor in the uterus, a benign tumor, but also treating it with Rick Simpson oil, so they don't have to have. A hysterectomy which means that they don't have to lose their ability to have children in the future, and these things are mind blowing, and they're incredibly effective to the point where I can really change a person's quality of life and I think that's worth raising awareness on and paying attention to an actively funding research and the in these places, so yeah, it's been a passion project of mine for a very long time, and I'm so happy how much it's grown, and how much cannabis has been really apparent in the news these days and I'm just really happy to be a part of it. Can you help us? 'cause you already have said some terms I'm not familiar with. Can you help us to better understand cannabis? I know that there's a lot to it, and you can't give us a full crash course, but can you just give us a some delineation between CBD THC different strains? You said I think rick. Simpson oil yeah. Can you tell us a little bit about that? And then we can dive into the connection between cannabis use, and perhaps mitigation of symptoms related to Endo and menstrual pain. Of course I would love to something is that is so cool about cannabis is that it's so taboo of course It has been legal for decades and. The war on drugs has made people think of cannabis when in terms of mad refer or and. There's so many terms of cannabis, says we'd whatever you WANNA call it, but the medical term is cannabis, and the correct term is cannabis that I like to use and cannabis is a plant and you can use it by. Infusing it or you can use it topically or ED ably. What I love about cannabis is that there's lots of medical properties like we mentioned the two biggest medical components of cannabis as THC and CBD, those are two cabinets that are found in the plant that are incredibly helpful for pain medication within patients and. But there's so much more than just t h CNC beady, but we'll focus on those first two cabinet just to make things very simple right now. THC is what is known to have you feeling intoxicated. It really gets you. into that creative flow, but you definitely feel high. That's the high effect of cannabis, but t h stone has also been able to really help you mitigate pain as well so sometimes is the debate of using. Intoxicating cannabis products versus non intoxicating panic cannabis products, but That I've learned while being a holistic nutritionist since that every ailment super specific and finding what's best for you is the most important route. CBD is found in cannabis, but it's also found in hemp and what I love about. CBD is that it's non psychoactive, so these are the can can cabinet so that you can use that? You don't have to feel intoxicated, so these are great for for first beginners who are looking to test their waters and cannabis into their sex lives, but don't really WANNA. Get Higher First Time, which is totally fair. Having a CV option can not feel that anxiety of being high and also just enjoy the beautiful benefits of muscle relaxing. Helps incredibly with anxiety or sexual anxiety. Really helps you get out of your head and into your body. And it's also really good for inflammation so using it as a lube. If you ha-, if you're dealing with endometriosis, fibroids could also really help you and Rick Simpson. Oil is just hype of. Infusion of cannabis or a type of method when used cannabis, he can really use it as a flower or a dried herb and roll it up in a joint. You can either use that herb in. A Bong or you can. Make that herb into a butter and make cookies edibles, or you can make it into glycerin and make cocktail, so there's so many different cannabinoid infusions you can make. The opportunities are really endless on how you really want to incorporate it into your sex lives a lot of people like to use massage oils but Rick Simpson. Is just. An oil that's very well known in Canada. Because Rick Simpson cured his cancer. He was one of the first people that cured his own cancer with cannabis. Freight when the youtubecom boom kind of happened, so everybody knows Rick Simpson, oil as high. I extracted cannabis product. So those are like ninety nine point nine percent THC very very very intoxicating, very high in potent, although with that Poe, NC can also have amazing effects on tumors like we've mentioned or cancers, so that's. I? Interesting I'm sure we need more research in this area because we haven't really had the funding, so people can have kind of anecdotal reports of usage, but are we lacking funding for full researcher you seeing that? That's shifting because of the changes in the law. Yeah so you know what was really getting. My blood boiling when I started, pleasure peaks was noticing that women's sexual hall is the least funded area and the body, and the lease researched as well which is crazy to me. Considering life starts there and I felt that we have so much to honor their. But yet it's very interesting to me and ever since I found that out I've been adamantly pushing for research, I know that there's not a ton of research on sexual health ailments, but there's ton of anecdotal evidence, and when we talk about Dole Research, it means that we have literally millions of reviews of people that are using cannabis for their own ailments, and there's a lot of proof in the pudding there. Obviously, it's not enough definitely, not enough because as a person like myself, I'm a huge. Huge Geek when it comes to medical cannabis products to have a standardized Karen Cannabis products that people feel safe with and can get the exact same experience every single time, but what's really unique about cannabis is that there's thousands of different genetic strains and when we use cannabis, every strain has very different effects, so it's really important to test the strains, and you're very early stages and see what really works the best for you and I know. We all have really funny names for our genetics which? Annoying sometimes like blueberry Alaskan. Thunder, fog or Pineapple Express, but with these crazy genetic names. They actually tell us majority of the time Turpin profile or the THC THC TO CBD ratio that we're looking for just why I think people that have been cannabis for a very long time have so much knowledge on really helping people choose the right strength for them. And so we need more experts in the field. I mean I have to think about the way in which folks of colour and black people in particular. have been thrown in jail for using for selling. And now we're in a new system. Where certain people are you know? Especially people with money are able to now benefit and and Prophet. is something you've run into your work as a young woman, a woman of color. You so much for asking that question I think I've been asked that question, but I would love to answer it as being a young woman of color in the cannabis industry. That's incredibly monopolized. It's been very hard for me to really get through hearing. Canada, when in when getting involved in a cannabis company. In Canada, there's a lot of licenses that you need to get a lot of partnerships. And unfortunately it's a very small circle and majority of the people who are involved in the legal candidates space, come from ex Pharma ex, political insiders and ex police chiefs. Literally and That's been something that I've been very aware about the reason why I also started pleasure pieces because I wanted to be a part of the game. I understand that I I. Understand how pharmaceuticals I believe are amazing and Western. Medicine is amazing, but I don't think it's the only option that we have and I believe that women should have different options as well as the option to have a company that has your best interest at heart as well as having a company in the pharmaceutical world that run by women for women, especially when it comes to women's sexual health ailments just because. Because I felt that eighty over eighty six percent of of feminine hygiene products that are in a wreck cells today have very toxic ingredients in them, and that comes from either Tampons, or that comes from Lubes, but majority of them have very toxic ingredients for the vaginal flora, and that really makes me think about why we have so many raising a sexual health ailments, really just coming to fruition, and these are drastic numbers women with endometriosis. Ten percent of the world is over hundreds of millions of women that are suffering right now, and they don't have a single product out there. When it comes to women with endometriosis. They're told to either get on birth control or have a surgery to the point where they can't bear children, or the can't have optimal sex, whereas we're trusting with cannabis, and they're having incredibly pleasurable sex and having children again, so it's been very hard to navigate that being a person of color and also being hyper sexualize because of the color of my skin. But I love that I'm still here today and I believe that women still deserves good, and you've raised millions of dollars for support and research in in your with pleasure peaks. That's correct. I have with pleasure peaks and we've been able to. Partner with a lot of amazing manufacturers in the US and Canada. And I'm really excited for what we're going to be coming up with wonderful now I'd like to talk a bit endometriosis, so folks who perhaps aren't familiar with Indo. Refers to, it's very painful. Experience in which the uterine tissue or tissue similar to that which lines your uterus, or which we call the endometrial, it grows outside of the uterus, and I I mean I've seen hundreds and hundreds, and then I've read thousands of other accounts from mostly young women who have their concerns entirely dismissed there either told that it's in their head. They're told to us more lube. If Sachs's painful as you said, they might be. Put on birth control to lighten. the symptoms of their period enlighten the flow, and or they have trouble accessing surgery, or they have surgeons who maybe aren't. Consider it of the quality of life that goes along with surgery between your legs, and so I'm very interested in I. Know that we see we may not have the scientific studies or peer reviewed studies yet, but I'm very interested in. Anecdotal stories from people who have used cannabis to address either the symptoms of endometriosis or the condition itself and I'm interested in in how it's used because I don't even know where people begin, is it? A bath is an oil is a topical Do Smoke, is it? A suppository is taken in food. Is it in English ran the above and I'm sure as you said. Everybody's everybody's body is different so I'd love to know what you've learned especially in your podcast, because you must be hearing stories from hundreds or thousands of women. Yes most definitely animation bid on our radar for a very long time. What I love about our podcast, is that it really able to raise awareness on this topic so I think our first episode is actually covering Demitrio Sis, and we have another episode with a doctor who talks even deeper about CBD in Wyatt, so effective for me, trio says. On our PODCAST, we love to have a disclaimer that obviously none of this information is to treat cure. I diagnosed. Anyone are really just stories that were sharing, but at the end of the day. What I love is that we're finding. Is that using cannabis -cations? Are Incredibly effective for women with endometriosis and the thing about cannabis, just to take one step back that we all have an endo. Canaveral it system in body, which is super cool that we're don't really learn about in school. Of course, just like we have a respiratory system in a muscular system in the central nervous system, we also have an endo cannabinoid system specifically for processing cabinets like THC CD, and what's really cool is that we have a lot of Seaweed CB two receptors in our uterus lining, and within our pelvic floor, and also within our breast tissue, so clearly we. Are Very familiar with CBD within the body and. When it comes to using it. As an application or specifically for women with endometriosis or finding that? suppositories are incredibly effective for women. What I love about suppositories is that has a pretty as a has prolonged effect six to eight hours, and you can make this at home as well, but there are so many amazing endometriosis advocates that have videos on how to make your own suppositories at home with infusing cannabis oil with a shea, butter, or coconut, oil or. Specifically Amana coconut oil that keeps it very hard. At Room temperature, or even a little bit of harder temperatures, really works and what we're finding and we had Dr Caroline. Hartridge join us from New York City, who has her own cannibus line as well and speak heavily on cannabis as a medical product. She says that when we used. On the vagina internally. It really helps with inflammation in endometriosis has tons of inflammation on the vaginal lining and what we can do as if we use. The Tories there it can really give it time to get the inflammation low enough to heal itself, so you don't really feel the effects of endometriosis, so it truly is treating it in that sense and. That comes. A an opportunity to have pleasurable sex again and if you use it for even long longer periods like six months, you can really help heal and also. Just strengthen that tissue again for having kids in the future, so that was something. That's really interesting to me to find out but there's so much more of course. I'm such a Geek when it comes to management cannabis. Applications and I wish I can tell you so more, but there's so much that we can deal with cannabis there for sure. What is the cannabis bath I? Remember hearing about this a while back, but I haven't explored it. Yeah, having a cannabis infused bath is amazing. I love cannabis massages. I'm definitely the Queen of Pampering myself and. Like, to mix up a bunch of EPSOM, salts. Put a few essential oils, and there may maybe some baking soda, and maybe a Quarter Cup of cannabis, oil, or maybe a few tablespoons of cannabis oil. And just mixing that altogether, running a bath in throwing the epsom salts the infused APPs. Themselves in the bath can really help you. Relax your whole muscles. Your whole body that also really helps when women with end because it just helps with attention because it's just so incredibly painful for women with Endo that it can really be very stress relieving on the on the muscles on the muscle tissue, so that is is really beautiful for really anybody as well because it's just if you've never it's. It's just like having ten baths at once. He just leave with your feeling like kind of. I need that I wish we had a bats out. Bathtubs, but I do wonder. Is it absorbed through the skin in a bath? I'm assuming that's how it penetrates. An adds to that relaxation element in the healing element. NAP, you heard that, right? It's beautiful that we have Receptors on the skin as well we have all throughout her body within her brain within her heart with the at pretty amazing, so what I love about cannabis as I, it's can be applied almost everywhere. And also, for those suppositories for men I love recommending them for anal before. Sachs's well can really help. Loosen up the lower back and and really help with ten trick. Energy experiences as well I'm kind of interested as to how this might connect with Paul floor health. Do you know any pelvic floor? Therapists who are also working in the cannabis space? Not Specifically, but I'm definitely I love working with them to simply because they have so much to offer, but not specifically when it comes to cannabis. But I know that doctors have found incredibly helpful for them. And massage therapists like my own for sure. You talked about massage and the benefits. There is somebody so for instance for my personally. I'm not big on getting the high high high. It's not that I don't. It's not like you weren't. but lately I'm not interested as much getting high, but I'd love to benefit from it. So what are the like Some massage oils that infuse it the CBD, so they don't get that high effect, but still benefit from it. What would you recommend? Most definitely when it comes to infusing cannabis oil, it really loves healthy fats so. Like a high fat oil coconut oil is is going to be a really good infusion, or an almond oil What I also like to do is put just a like a just a dash of grape seed oil, just like a natural preservative, and it doesn't have a flavor as well so if you use it as a loop, which is great. But high fat oil. What I would do is you either get a crock pot or a level oil machine? which can you believe eleven? Oil Machine is a cannabis cannabis kitchen countertop appliances these days. Cannabis in it or you can put. Use A crock pot, but basically it infuse it for about two four hours, and and it's very very low heat, just because you don't WanNa burn the oil of course, but you just want to burn it enough that Kavanagh's could really fall off the the leaves, and once that happens after two hours you would strain it or the level. Oil would do for yourself Put it in a Mason Jar, and yeah, you can also add your. Favorite essential oil, some people but lavender in the Crock pot is well. Seeking get really fun with it. If you like it a little bit heated, you know trying something like a dash of cinnamon, obviously not super much and making your own lube. It's really it's really fine. Are you can use that lube as a lube or as I'm assange? Simply because it's a, it's an all in one oil, and is this so that I better understand you're talking about the flower, the bud actually going into the Crock Pot, or are you talking about like drops of CBD oil? Yes definitely dried bud for this experience. If you have CBD oil I, believe you don't have to necessarily infuse the oil, you can just mix it up if it's oil soluble. What about these SI oils are they all? Maybe this isn't ignorant. Credit question, but I'm just a Newbie it. Are they all similar potency, or are they? All very different doesn't average person like me who? Can we find out what strain it is because you talked about all these different strains? And different turbines like how how do we know what we're ordering? Yeah. For sure when it comes to CD, it's an absolute mess. Unfortunately. It's a mess for everyone when it's in three here in Canada. We have an amazing legal system, so we're here in Toronto, you can go to the Ontario Cannabis Star so OCS. Dot. CA and look CBD. That is the most informed CBD You can buy on the market today at tells you exactly how many milligrams of see are per drop. It tells you what percentages of CBD isn't. It tells you the ratios between CBS. It also tells you the major Turpin profiles like they're finding in there. so what I love about the Ontario Cannabis stories that obviously it's incredibly safe and and it's also tested, and they have lots of information on it, which is incredible for people like us are everyone, but when you look at the US, they have just passed a farm bill so now they're CBD on every Bodega every corner. There's CB everything, and it's very much regulated, and we have people that are selling like five milligram of CD to like a thousand milligrams of CBD's. So people really not understanding where to start, but what I love about CBD is that it's non psychoactive, so it's incredibly safe to try And there's different types of CD, so there's full spectrum, and then there's CBD isolated and full spectrum means that you're getting the C. D., as well as the Turpin profiles in the plant, but when he gets CBD isolate your simply extracting that CD molecule and that's it. It's an isolated molecules CD, so it comes in a powder form, and I like the SEE Vdi slip because I can put it in. In my water in the morning or I can put an oil, but having it's a little bit harder to find the CD I slept, but the CBI jobs are also great because you can put it into your teaser, coffees or food as well so yeah, because it can either be digested through the stomach through your end cabinet through the skin, so yeah, feel free to play around with it. In terms of skin absorption. Can thc be absorbed through the skin like. Can you get high from a massage oil or are no? Most definitely THC can be absorbed through the skin. Any girl that has tried to lube can tell you that Yes. But it will, it will not get you high because it's not passing the blood brain. The blood brain barrier. It's not going through the actual liver and into the bloodstream. What what's happening when he is cannabis as topical it's it's only used as a localized effect so it only you will only feel that effect on wherever you place it. About topical so like if I'm working out or five hush released like Steph. Nag I WANNA massage. Using candidates in that area can really help. Relax the muscles and feel really loose, but I won't actually feel high, which is the greatest part so I can go along my day, and not feeling toxic or drive in that makes so much sense for people dealing with for example, menstrual pain, or just tension and air in an area you. You mentioned easing lower back pain, and that's why I asked about the pelvic floor therapists because oftentimes when we have pain in the groin, it's related to referred pain from the area now if we we take this back kind of to the general, public folks who are just looking to make their first foray into the use of cannabis and sex to wrap up, can you? Can you give us an idea of where to begin? Yeah, if you're looking to enhance your sex, lives was sexiest. Get creative because you are in the perfect time. We have so many different candidates products to choose from and what I loved you. The advice that I love to share with you. All is to get a stranger and all get a cannabis journal with you or your partner. It's fun to explore by yourself or with apartment. Try Different stray, and what works for you you know, try joint made the joints. Don't work for you. Maybe you're more into topical like Lubes and oils. Oils, or maybe you're into edibles like tease or infused foods like brownies. They all have very different effects. You know some are long longer than others really testing out what works best for you. throws strain. Journal would really help you because you'll recognize. The names are what ratio to CBD TO THC works for you, and because it's all different, even if you're using the exact same product that your partner is using. What I find is that you both can have very different experiences because. What so are unique about our endo? CANNABINOID system unlike or central nervous system and olive are their systems is that it's as unique as a fingerprint. Can. Stomachs completely different Than York, so if we're using the same product, we can still have very different effects, and this is very crucial. When using it with a partner to understand what their likes or dislikes on cannabis, and what really works for them? Since I've been consuming and you know testing cannabis products for years like at least eight plus years I find that some strains don't work for me like white widow or castle, and just stay away from those strains. They just give me a very big headache, not sure why, but there's hundreds more that I can test out and that I absolutely love so finding stranger all and you know having fun with I think the best part as a couple indefinitely starting with CBD rather than Thc, and as you go up, just start small and go. Go slow. That's a rule of thumb that like to share I like that and the local application or the local effect seems to make sense to me if you're brand new at this, so you're not necessarily going to feel it across the body. If you're using something topical, you know on your thighs or on your hands or something like that is that accurate? I would totally echo that for sure and I would love for people to play around with cannabis lubes especially if they ever are finding that, they're having trouble achieving orgasm. I would just love to leave that with you. Yes so I. Know that I have to let you go, but I've had clients who have had their first orgasm with the use of topical cannabis, like along the Labia, so not internally, but many of them have have reported that and again it's it's anecdote and I think with anything that causes a change in your body. It's going to be different for each person right you know. If if I drink a shot of Jack, Daniels or let's say three and brandon drinks three shots. We're going to be in very different places even though he's. TWO HUNDRED POUNDS I'm smaller than that. The three shots jacker actually GonNa hit you harder. Because you're not as practiced as. Yeah. And then some people get sick from drinking alcohol, some people can't have any at all and others as I, said our practice. or I mean there's a genetic component to it as well. So I really yet. Each their own. Really appreciate your taking the time highly recommended folks. Checkout your pleasure talks podcast. You also have some pleasure island retreats. Can you tell us oh, where to find out more about that? Most definitely I love our pleasure. Island retrieves something that I did really early on after might holistic nutrition schooling was taking more time. Trick courses and Contra is having a very sacred relationship with yourself and your partner just delving a little bit deeper into intimacy, trust and communication so I love sharing it with people, but it's really an amazing island to go away. Offense, your hedonistic self and pleasure with kin abyss with Aphrodisiac infused foods with amazing waterfall tours and grow tours Ed. CANNABIS SPA. including as well so it's a really beautiful experience. We have them in Hawaiian Jamaica both places where it's legal, so it's very safe and finding pleasurable to enjoy. If you're a couple, please come up. We also include singles as well and yes, you can find that at pleasure peaks dot com. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for taking the time. Really encourage people to go. Check out your website. Be Sure to check out your podcast as well because I'm sure there's a lot to be learned from other people's stories follow along its Antoinette on twitter and at pleasure peaks Thank you again for being here. Really appreciate your time. Of course. Thank you so much for having me. We talked about a lot of juicy nece on cannabis, and it's always a pleasure. Well a lot of food for thought there your lots to digest right. Not Gumy's because my problem with Gumy's is once I'm high I. Want More and more Gumy's and you can't just keep eating the. We'd Gumy's I. appreciate the comment of taking it slow and going just going at your own pace because I know that with edibles. Friends that have consumed larger amounts initially, and then subsequently had very bad experiences that that's not the Chinese You put your hands I don't think that was me. I've had my share of experiences where you know. I have not felt okay, and that's actually a big reason. Why the last decade I haven't really consumed although we're really talking about THC The psychotropic, so certainly you. You've used CBD oil though right. UCD, oil actually started using CD oil when our pup was sick and use it as an alternative medicine to ease, the pain had to do a lot of research into it, because of the the toxic effect of THC on animals, so did a lot of research into the different strains and the CD oil. After, ended up consuming some of on my own, just simply because I recognize that there are a lot of from the research, a lot of benefits that I would take as well awesome well, thanks for being here next time I'd love to talk a little bit more about cannabis and men's sexual health I'd be curious to know what kind of products would benefit you know. UH, people with penises who? WANT TO DABBLE and wanted to explore and I'm glad to hear that you don't have to experience. The the sacred Tropic Effects Right off the bat. 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A Weho Eviction Story with Raymond Padilla

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43:10 min | 1 year ago

A Weho Eviction Story with Raymond Padilla

"The phone rang. Podcast is a deer media production. Welcome to the absolutely not podcast where we do the most in the lease at the same. Damn time. I'm your host. Heather McMahon Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back to another episode of the absolutely not podcast. I'm so excited to be in the studio live from Los Angeles. We are doing the most. I'm giving you a recap of what I've been up to get to the voicemails and we are cracking a case. What are you talking about heather? Well mind dear friend. Raymond Padilla is on the basic victim out of his building. And if you've been following long story on Instagram I got a lot of 'em's night there were like bring Ray in. We need a full recap. I need to know what's going on heather. What are you doing about it? It's like Britney nine one one but right now it's nine one and there's a bunch of things that we were gonNA get into today. Now I know that my diversity of guests right now is fucking lacking. Guess what everybody in. La Has cancelled on me six times. So as far as I'm concerned I'm bringing in people to the podcast that literally. I know where they live. And if they cancel on me I will fucking burn down there -partment building. Well you know I live for now. I know where you live but it's going to change. We are going to get into addiction gate right now right but also you know fucking Shit. It's been a fuck a week. We both moods so in true. Fashion of this podcast. You know what's absolutely nodding absolutely not to this crazy week. I team trying to run me. Ragged I'm exhausted sick and tired of listening to myself. Even talk but here. Let's just record another podcast. I'm kidding I love this job. Everything's great but I. I'm really like you. You've talked so much that your brain starting to rattle. That's where I'm at hanging on by a thread and hanging out for against threat. But rather it's been stretched too thin and last night it got stretched real thin. 'cause I almost went full New York on your neighbors so absolutely not too crazy Buchan neighbors. We got to tell the people exactly what happen. Basically last night you came over. You're GONNA fucking mood. I was finally got you to settle down for two hours giving tea chocolate snacks almond butter. It wasn't enough. It wasn't enough. I'm trying to keep my fro under control and my silk headscarf. And then the neighbor I have a crazy neighbor. Who's just been accusing? You should have never done. She comes a banging on the door. Are you smoking weed in there and you were like it was assaulting? It was alarming the way that this woman banged on your door last night was as if the SWAT team had showed up. Is it this? We're getting locked up? It was bad it sounded like we were going to be murdered. Truly we were about to be murdered dined together still fat and still not and I'm GonNa tell you right now. I don't know maybe going to present is what we need. Probably getting chased Riza. Judy say like she got fed. Remember she was doing a lot of yoga. She was thin so she did that. But like Jodi J. O. Joe came out JOE FROM THE LAWS OF NEW JERSEY. Came out shelf out anyway. So she went. I was at an addition and I ran into one of the girls whose auditioning now for the same roles me but from oranges new black. I was trying not to seek out these auditions see people but I was like fuck. Fuck in love her. Yeah I ran into this Guy Love Al Foods and I was like Holy Shit does I didn't pay me. She comes banging on the door. You get all scared. Jump up from the couch and I was like does it happened on Sunday with my friend and I was like. Here's my turn. We got rights crazy lady. I'M GONNA figure out who crazy abras. She comes banging on the door. She screaming that were smoking weed. And I was like Ma'am. There's nobody in here smoking weed. What are you talking? She's specific? Jus You're smoking weed in here. I know it and I'm like first of all. There's no smoke. There's there is no rent like even evidence that we are smoking weed although I had taken some. Thc CD bomb erupted Oliver Making Body. She's did smell of course not of course not it was like. Here's the scene guys. They're crazy outside. She's Nancy. Joe I'm Alexis and Heather's Alexis mom. She was like sitting on the couch. You couldn't see the one explaining Nancy. Jones jobs lady from Vanity Fair article. Alexa scenarios was accused wearing lubaton support. She did not sure. Bb Hills over twenty dollars. Her Mom is saying they only twenty nine dollars and she had keep recording the fungal. That was my conversation last night with McRae's neighbor. Heather and me was great that you were there to witness it. Because you're the beginning of housing curse and she's screaming at me. There's someone smoking meaning. You're you're smoking reading here. I know it. I'm trying to get a shower and it's coming up through the vents. I can't breathe because I have asthma. Okay everyone has asthma. Actually don't and most people assume I do because I breathe locks overweight. It's just called obesity. Okay but you don't breathe heavy because you're overweight ray. Asthma Okay but you just breathe heavy because you like to be dramatic. It's like the size of the dramatic emotional size that come out of Ray's mouth all the fucking time he's like. He goes into a hostess at Hill Stone. Bake excuse me. I'm like table for three Fucking dramatic but here's the thing. Sometimes your life is so proper and mine is via last night so really. We got attacked by your neighbor attacked. Barney. We offered to let her come in but there was no carmen. You're like we're drinking tea and watching veep attacked and it wasn't even my apartment you were like. Hey I got it. It's fine. I was listening to him. This is not okay. I'm not smoking weed. I know you've complained to the building. She's like I spoke to the building manager and she said that you would admit anything. I'm not smoking weed known as smoking. Here please come in. Can I honest with you too when somebody says you've admitted something? We are smart enough to admit nothing. You're GonNa try and tell me like. Oh yeah while. The building manager said that you admitted to on the show me in and right show me and writing in the words during a medley. Say Forget it right. It regretted. That's what I'll get on a phone call with you. Yep and I'll I'll talk to you 'cause you won't remember Shit but as she's screaming at me you're there. I'm so glad you're there witness it. She was accused. I and I'm like Ma'am it's not me. I'm not known you'RE SMOKING. Weed you've complain. I've told him that I don't smoke in this building. I'm moving out. Go with God good with the next neighbor and she said and she said well. It's not you then at somebody and I was like it's not me. I don't care it's like I smell weed in this building before. And she's like well you know smoking weed why you turn them in and I was because I'm not a rat absolutely not to rat absolutely not to rats and spies and then she was like well. I just don't know how you would include your name because I don't need to. I've done nothing wrong. You're not I'm good and I said listen. This building. The ventilation is poor. I can smell when someone's taking a shower. I can here on my neighbor's fucking having sex with a strange girl that he's never met before. I can hear you combine around your clogs doing arm weights. I don't know what's going on with you. You're constantly at a vibration that I can't understand like eat something. Please get a fucking cookie and chill the fuck out. I wanted to like. Give her something just to calm down. But then I also thought that she might like us to stab me with my right. Had An energy like you gave her like a chocolate covered. Pretzels shoot somehow find. It turns into shifts. Yes would shift me. And then that's how it would be all sides notes. She drives a Prius and anyone. That Prius sorry to you. But you'd be problems. You think you remember you. Try to buy a Prius and I don't do that that I did almost try and I said don't because all my friends about it you think people drive for uses. There's something a little off decided to. You decided to go with the Prius Right. You know about that. You don't think it's just people being environmentally conscious no amount. That's where I'm at now. We'll take a quick pause. And the Pike cast talking about one of my favorite sponsors. Now here's the deal. I finally had to get rid of my dingle dangles you know. They're my ear buds with the actual wire attached to them. I finally gave it up. Y'All make fun of me forever. I finally gave it up but I'm so excited that I found the best. And it's Ray con ear buds. I WANNA be hands-free amount. You're trying to make calls trying to close deals trying to call people at networks in. 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I mean I'm just like I didn't sleep last night because I was worried. That my net her about her neighbor was going to come down and shake him throat. She literally was like. I've seen bombs in your apartment threatening. Said she saw bond. I want to be like me. Who the fuck is smoked out of a bong since like college literally and I was like well. So why are you looking to my apartment right? That's the thing to sheet. How is she spying one? You don't have long so also I. You have been my apartment. I know how you've stayed with me for weeks at this point. I never opened that front blind because everyone walks by my building. I ran a center unit. I have a unit above to the left to the right and my driveway. So you can see into my apartment. You have an active. Your window is like the Act of win the epicenter of the parliament of gases. Yes and there. I am just trying to hold it down trying to keep it grounded trying to stay right with Christ and everyone is a lunatic. You know it's wild over at Amana Josh's apartment to for like whatever they probably like twelve units. Yeah it's like sixty five percent of the buildings nuts. Yes and they got a great like the core group of people in that apartment. That are awesome awesome but then every day. I'm learning something new about like the lady downstairs. The guy to the right. You know what I mean can we are not just cohabitate and be fucking normal. That's that's what I'm trying to do. I tried to normal. I have a guy in the Front News Acute Ryan Gosling Guy and I let him have loud sex like whatever he's just cute and then they had a new neighbor. Move in who hates the parking lot and Gab. Kinda sucks parking back here like it just. It's tricky to get him out of right but he was a hot Italian Gay guy from New Jersey and I was like Kakadu your your thing and now we wink at each other. Every time we see you know what I mean like. I'm just trying to be a nice neighbor. No problems but the lady upstairs can't breathe because of her. Asthma was hiring a private investigator to investigate the ventilation in the building and to see who is smoking also denied private. Investigators going to pick up this case she would always said. Have you noticed soot on your floor and I said now this sent. Mary POPPINS TALKING ABOUT CHIMNEY. Sweeping. What was he? That's a crazy. I realize when I moved back home and live with my mom for a while the homeowners association favorite thing you know I usually get high and walk around the neighborhood. I'm like stir the pot. Oh my God we have a neighbor next door in Atlanta. She has a tree on her land. Yes she gone my mom one day and said Hey Robin do you want to split the cost of cutting the street? Our mom goes excuse me. Let's just caller was Carter Lisa. He's like yeah. Well it's on my property but it hangs of your property. We can cut the 'cause my mom's like that's on your property. It doesn't bother me. I don't even notice it's in the back. Had never seen the branches like if it hangs over my properties long. It's Gonna. It's not gonNA fall on my fence if it does move bins you have to take care of it and my mom's like no. I'm not spending the ten thousand dollars to get the street taken down or whatever no ma'am embezzlement people or crazy nuts. Nuts nutty nutter butter neighbors. My thing is are we actually the ones who are crazy? And we don't realize no because I haven't done anything wrong. I am angel I am not the villain I am the victim. You know what and that. That's the name of the podcast right there. I'm not the villain on the victim. The victim okay. Here lies. Raymond Padilla addiction victim. Victim Number one number one. Okay I think the only way that we can really get ourselves out of this negative head. Space is to go to the voicemails and figure out if we can fix other people's problems. Okay yeah right I mean listen. You've got to get out of the building. I think you call the haunt landlord say. Do you have another building close by that? I could move into like he'll probably work out a deal because you're victim. He feels bad. That you would Vilnai's in your own space. What are the chances I get to see his Dick? I feel like just ask them but then he could sue you for sexual harassment. Yeah Yeah we got a higher mcdouga- I might need to send some glitter bombs. That's a nice way to get back at your neighbor glitter bomb. I got a package that was from like a really great brand and they sent me this beautiful baggage and it had so much confetti in it and it's a glitter. Confetti legit call them and I said this was the worst fucking packaging are. You guys aren't like I thought it was actually that they were that that it was a prank. And they're like no. Oh my God. We thought it'd be so fun. I was like no I fucking glitter in my parquet floors on my New York City apartment. That is literally everywhere. You'll never get it out. It's absolutely it's her therapies. Herpes of the scrapbooking world the decor world of the decor world. Okay let's get into some voicemails. Hey Heather this is emily from Mississippi and I have an absolutely not for you absolutely not to be the youngest person where you were youngest person with no kids and you somehow become a designated driver for any work in because and I quote. You need to drive because your car's clean and we have kids so you know ours is messy Absolutely not to having to use my guys just because you can't keep your car clean so obsolete salute to this also bad accent was a beret thing. I was just Mississippi and I spoke at the first annual meant event which was Super Fun. It was a good look an entrepreneur. Women in business focused weekend and was cool. I got to see it and shout out to all my girls Mississippi. 'cause I missed all so much. I've never had so much fun in my entire life. So here's the deal. I fully agree. Absolute Fuck not. This is also what my friends. Now do my friends have kids will now do that. 'cause they don't get out of the house so they'll be like your immed- that they're trying to bamboozle you in the sense that they want you honey. No no no it's because they want to get blackout his little timmy's Shit at home and they want to deal with it. What do you think I think that's right? Also you do this we other. I went to the other day. We were going to lunch. And you're like what are we going? You pick you decide although we were both heavy day and I was like. Oh where are you exactly and I was like. I'm on sunset in this street and you were like great. Pick me up and we'll just go to lunch and I was like okay. Put its lunch but you. You love dry. I've sent to to try to dry. I don't like your car out here. Well yes but still. You're gonNA drive me to lunch today. What do you want me to walk? You make in a separate fucking UBER. You Little Bitch No. I don't want you to do that but I'm just saying everyone. Does it a little bit but honestly I know you don't want to you don't want to always be? The person drives which you want to get in the car that smells like milk. You know what I mean okay. No but what I'm saying is they're just using this as an excuse. Chosing designated driver over. She's not okay. That's okay because she's the youngest kids. It's like you got Claire Melissa. Who Want to get at the office? Christmas party WANNA GET BUMPED UP TO LHASA. Sure probably doing ten Gaza Chardonnay and their excuses. Now listen though. Shannon all the MOMS doing the Lord's work raising the future of America. I don't blame you. I would be icy my girlfriend's how who just you know are there new moms and they're like. I need a drink. I can only imagine I need a drink. Fuck and taking care of Jeff. I thought about it the other day because I've been here in La. I haven't been New York. Do I need to get like manny like a main Nandita fucking? Keep an eye on him. A hundred percent now hired a dog walker. Just having walked Jeff around your like jazz seventies coming over and it's like a really Nice Guy Kenny and Kim. He's just like literally see Kenny. I if you WANNA sprint intermittently on the walk just like let Jeff Know. Somebody walks chat. But he's actually forcing him to exercise anyways. You said your girlfriend's will call you and make you drive because of needing a mommy break or whatever. Yeah I know you need to put your foot down and say now I'm writing. I don't care I'll sit on the car seat. Listen Iowa Cheerios Kremlin might be? Yeah I'll just I would say that I'm probably second county his friend and just do what I would do now. I'm not driving. I'm not driving. I can't sorry sorry. Sorry I have somebody to be after no and then you pick you up. Why doesn't he drives us? Yes what isn't he drives us. Yeah you know what I'll get. 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My friend brother and his fiancee are trying to save some money on their upcoming wedding and wait. They're doing that is that they're having olive garden heater their wedding. Now I'm old being a dollar here and there but having Olive Garden Cater your wedding to me is an absolutely not thank you. I fully disagree. I say absolutely yes. no okay. Let's not be snobs? Listen I'm getting married in Italy so I'm literally I get it. I'm giving the authentic experience. Where do they just love? Fucking ALL OF GUARD WHO LOVES ALL OF GARDEN? Somebody I get them to be a sponsor the podcast. They won't return my calls. Well that's a mistake if you're going to go off garden. I'd go macaroni Gresh. I'm more of a macaroni grill. I'm sorry myself. Consumer Karabelas the insulator Caraba was like the best salad. Oh I think we go. Koroma's was like another. It's a family Italian style car. Okay all right yeah. Listen I don't want here's the thing I don't WanNa say anything we're going to be real and raw. Because maybe that's all they can afford. The I totally agree but maybe not a whole garden go with like a local vendor like someone who's local and probably the same deal and it's probably going to taste better go with find a family shop. My thing is that it is a very kitschy wedding or the hipsters. If there have services could all get in and out trucks. Food trucks are expensive. They are off Gordon. How much could all articles? Do you need to read about the semen and the white sauce of olive garden before you decide to have it at your wedding wait a minute wait a minute? Why HAVE CEMENT? They found traces of semen and the Alfred Multiple Times at all garden. This was in the news. It's been in the news for years first of all Barbara. Walters never talked about this so therefore I I know what I'm here for. I'm happy to take Barbara Walters place and talk about the Shit that People Care About Aka junior pasta. Jason What yes. Yes so not olive garden. You know where they haven't found jobs. Macaroni Grill on our girls. Still around. Yeah there's one at the Grove. There is no. There's not yes there is. Should we there for lunch? I can't eat pasta right now. You're fucking wedding Vermont. It's Ramona's never get honors. Macaroni Grill. Yeah I know I just love it. It's real bond. I remember once caught at Romano's macaroni grill hundred. I'm seeing the closest one now. The closest one is twenty three point eight miles away closed at the out for the macaroni grill. It's Grove Portland now out fuck and they macaroni. Grill you could draw on the tables. I was loved asked. I would go with my grandma I'd be. I'd make literally Picasso's on the Table. Okay so maybe nine to the Olive Garden. I think there's probably something better. You could have chosen but I never wanNA speak on listen. The wedding planning has been fuck that. Everyone wants to throw in their two cents. I've got people call me left and right asking my wedding sparking. Cancel Corona like. It's fucking September y'all need to pump maritime to buy your tickets because it's cheap. Exactly I mean I hate to be the person but it is. I'm on the fence with this one. I really if they just Love Olive Garden. You will wintertime's Pasta White Sox some Madore as you know where to that. Wow but here's my thing. Can I be honest with you if your friends sisters brothers cousins twin is having just down them? Just don't go look if you get an invitation. Just casually decline. She went to put yourself in that situation. Unless or is there going to be like lit? Dj Olive Garden. Okay so there I mean. Here's the thing they're serving olive garden. I don't know if they're eating their. You know what I mean. It's we're GONNA find out Portland if you can survive on breadsticks allowed and obviously support your friends and family right bringing those puck. I mean God bless. Don't eat the white song snacks. Why was there seem into the white sauces? My question was because there was like some disgruntled employee who's Harvey Weinstein worth their loved. One joker teach their own. I I think we're gonNA find out that these early to fucking annoying as hipsters from and they're just doing it to be kitchy and funny. Macaroni Grill crime about listened. Macaroni Grill. If you're listening right and I would really love to. We are avail. Our schedules are wide open. We will drive the twenty three point eight miles away from Los Angeles. It says it's Rancho Marie Dressler. Macaroni Grill I know that Julia on the Voice of Macaroni Grill and guess what modern family is canceled. So we are tech. Avail attack available. Macaroni Grill commercials. Romano's Macaroni Grill. Get your off Rato and your seeming just getting off Cena. Okay wait. I know we're CERITA California three just as far that well that's the closest one. It's either Torito's seeming. There's an auto. Monza Rita's okay. Great from the radio commercials doesn't have a radio jingle. I've been trying to do jingles jingle jangle wherever you have such radio Voice. I know will. You should do it on these. Do Your Jingle Jangle on these guys as water. That's in front of me right now and I'm going to drink the mountain valley spring water bomb. The fuck hold on. I can't pronounce at the Ouchi to mountains out of like an air. What she what she. Let's start against the mountain valley. Spring water bottled in watch Tita mountains. Usa You'd buy it. I've like a nineteen eighty s radio. Disc jockey voice are listed the next one either They reach an Ivan absolutely not So I was just on my instagram stories. And someone posted a screen shot of face time of their friend revealing that they were pregnant with their pregnancy has that they had peed on and that is just all around an absolutely not people posting something that they peed on what world is with us for someone just like put up a picture something. They've urinated on like this is a great point. Actually this is a really great point. Did you know I saw this thing? I think it was only warriors. Something people can go on craigslist and by positive pregnancy. Test to pull pranks. Yes I father saying and there was a whole youtube search which to know because I may not be able to have kids. I don't know what's going on over to the Mayo Clinic next week. All Minnesota no you. GimMe all your oh there would give them all you. Can I be honest with you? I feel you might actually have an over. Because there's some days we have so much fucking says. Unlike there's he's going to have half day half over something summit batteries just because the only way that amount of SAS could come from one human is you gotta have a uterus or something you know or deep childhood trauma that always others video where you could buy positive pregnancy tests on the internet or like that's wild craigslist. Yeah people are saving them. They're saving them. And then you combine them and like fuck with people that's fucked up. That's a good April fools. That's great April. Show but can I be honest with you any time that I thought I've had like a minor pregnancy scare? My periods been day late. I'm the one who's pacing the fucking apartment being like. What are we gonNA do just like be great parents like he's he's on board? If I got pregnant. Tamara fuck. Let's go here. She will be a golfer. You know what I mean like. I'm the one is panicking. Yes my body will be destroyed. I'm just GONNA health issues right now so I feel like I'm not I'm not agree bomb. I never once questioned whether or not I could parent Ray. I know like my body's trying to figure some shit out right now. We talk about the fact that you main think you think I'll be a great mom. I know all the you'll be a great mom. Can I be honest with you though? People reach out to me all the time. Like you're pregnant. If I post anything in like Kinda got brain fog today be like you're pregnant. You're pregnant y'all want me to be pregnant so bad because you know the content. We're GONNA Joe Repair. You know it'd be a monster monster also. Never get to eat Sushi. Now we can. Can I ask you we can? I don't know about that. You know you already have so many problems. You can't put any more risk factors. I know my Mercury's through the you already got a lot of genetic predispositions and there. We can't fuck with that right. That's no rhyme. There's no Sushi. Don't do a robin duty. You which we need to check her. We need to keep a diary. Of course you did. God wakes up in the middle of the night and speaks to her of course kept a diary. We gotta find my dire got five. Okay so over. I do agree though. Sometimes sharing it's not even sharing the actual physical pregnancy. Has I do think okay. One hundred the woman say that she took a screen shot of the woman showing the pregnant. She was saying it would be like if you face time to me with Jeff and holding up the the positive test in the in the shot and I posted that screen shot of you holding it out. Also you need to talk to the friend because that's shadiest fuck because usually you don't tell people. Those people are a little bit more private about the pregnancy. It can happen in the first trimester. Exactly woman jump. The gun and post if he were like if I was okay. Heather post this PIC. I hope that it would be A. Can you not post the one with the pregnancy tests? Can we wait the Sonogram? Your love Sonogram. Now a sonogram pregnancy announcement. Aleksey the baby. Yeah Yeah I think we gotta chill out on these pregnancy. Motassedeq's I feel about P. How do you feel about? I didn't know I learned today that you thought I might be an okay mother and you don't like the now I have a weird thing about. He threw weird fucking thing about. He writes it's just gross. And it's you know what I mean like you go into the as a guy when you go into a there's always pee everywhere and it makes me crazy right and then as a gay you go to hook up with a stranger in the U. into water sports and you're like sport and then you're about pinks. I'M KINDA. I have never understood that I whatever I just do not understand it absolutely not. People do in bathroom things in the bedroom. It's out for me not for me for me. No that's my thing about okay. Great Good. I'm wondering a lot about my friend. Day Top of the Morn into you know a Saint. Patrick sees right around the corner. So what are you GONNA do? You'RE GONNA probably be drinking a guiness. 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And I know that it's probably looks down plumbing and and you younger than that You're an old soul evie Nagendra or whatnot. But I under for much much rather talk on the phone any day and talk to you. Oh My Gosh. I'm so I'm now and I'm getting nervous me. Okay here's soak you first of all. We can't see you. Don't worry we. We can't see you abby so you didn't even have to tell us that your face skin because I wouldn't know she's an over sharer she's over share of the. I love girl who talks on the phone. That's why you could see touch for. You're such good friends because rain. I will get on the phone. We'll talk for two hours and you could be three bucks down the road from me but I'll still two hours ago. Here we are. I hate tags can tell you right now. I have thirty five an open text messages. Because you don't want to tax. I hate to taxes. Call me call me. I will answer the phone whenever if I can't if I'm not a meeting about non sage I will answer the phone and people get very upset with me. We'll see multiple tax. I was talking with. Don't text me call me. Call Me Call Me Hiccup on call me. Pick up the phone and call me. Yeah I want an old school phone and went the one in the house. I walking around and my Silk Robe. Yeah Silk Head Rob and my silt. I Mask Smoking Weed here with me with my cord phone. Yes onboard fall on with the Korda. That's what I want. I want that and that's all I need and just call me. I have a friend right now. Pam fucking Pam. Hannity talking on the phone and it's singlehandedly ruining friendship. I don't make game if you're listening. We're fucking down with you. We're joined now while we don't appreciate it when I'm in the car I can't fucking tax you knew it's also wild. I get really fucking pissed off when I'm in the car with my friends and they are like good at texting and driving and I saw it's illegal citizens arrest yes citizens fucking arrest. You're done it's illegal. Call the call that person. I'll call somebody for thirty seconds. Yeah just to be like. Hey Dr Anger. Hey Yeah I agree to that issue in five. Yeah I I hate texting this. As we've been sitting here six Texoma then another reason I like talking. Maybe just me or whatever people always lie read your tax and I'm like what do you mean you read my tax and like you said you didn't like it and I said I don't like it. It's the tone tone so if you're on the phone with me you hear the tone No denying the town. There's no denying the level of braise period that he's on. You know what I mean whether it's day one or day four you know where we're at with his Sassafras exactly. I knew I hate that really sensitive friend and I love her but she always. She won't ever bring up the phone and call but then she's always. I WANNA get upset about this subtext of the tax. No I said. Hey I can't make it. Thanks so much but she read it. I can't make it but thanks so much xactly. That's the problem I why am I always making that? Pinched face told me Maggie. Pinched Face Rodney. Talking about also when. I'm being snotty. It's like the devil is looking through. You know what I mean to be real county. I want you to hear the count on the other. End of the line God Okay let extra to you. I WanNa texted you being away. Abby I want you to feel empowered. You know what you can change your generation. You can't be the friend that you are. That's what I do. I'm the one friend that everyone calls. They're like I hate talking on but I'll talk to you on the phone right. Just make fun and it's your day is literally the game of telephone if we just get on and we said you know. Don't Tick Tock me. Don't snapchat me also. You GotTa talk on the phone because you know what happens people putting a group tax and everyone starts pitching at each other and then I'm the one I'm the one leading the charge Colin. Everyone absolutely laying. He would he would jimmy and then it all gets fixed. Yeah see we're just takes. We're out of here solving the world's problems maybe you know if the president like quit tweeting and shit like that and he just gone on got on the Horn You know what I mean. I don't know that's Action GonNa fix our political problems regardless it's keep going amy. I haven't absolutely yeah. I just had my nails done at this nail place and they had. I Love Lucy on the TV in color. And I've never really lost an absolutely yes to lose to go. I love her. She's absolutely gorgeous episode with John Wayne and I literally thought I was crazy I would funny me estimates be ball. This is so sweet so Q. Amy I love you first of all. We knew this positively. You know the rain. I came in here with these. Like horrifically like just downtrodden attitudes and this is brought me okay. So I grew up on Lucille Ball. I grew up I love Lucy booths could old fashioned like physical. Comedy cartoon cartoons. Excuse me I'm sorry you're gone. Sitcoms are the absolute best. The best also absolutely yesterday with meals. Lawn is playing. I Love Lucy versus the weird Korean playlist. Exxon's you've never heard of okay. That's my pet again. You as an Asian have just like called out your people. But they're Korean. You can't law knocker I just you know what I mean like. I just feel like there's always like a k pop playlist. That's what I mean and I was like what is this shit right. Don't need to hear it. I WanNa like jazz. I WANNA violin. I WanNa harvest or ultimately pots you Nelson as he can't go. Get your nails right now because all the products are from Asia again. I don't know who to call. Do I call the mayor and tell him that you're a problem right now? I don't know what to do. I I read an article that said that one of the things that people are concerned about like. I said before. It's stuff that's being shipped from Asia. We you have to be concerned about a lot of times. Neil salons a lot of that stuff is shipped from over there. Because you're buying in bulk. They're buying bulk like nail cutters and tiles but a lot of these factories and should've have shut down because the people have to stay in their home exactly so if it's already been if it was made a while ago you're probably. I don't know we don't know nothing shipping. That's what I'm saying. Okay you know what? I think that you need to like. Go figure some things out. I'm not going to get the coroner because I'm going to be smart. Are you GONNA be smart about it while I'm GonNa stop hanging out with you number one just getting interesting statistic? Today that said something like X. Amount of people die every day from the flu X. Amount of people answer X. amount like like. I think we're getting to fucking crazy. I think we are getting a little crazy. You making jokes Chinese good. You're just trying to deflect 'cause you're Chinese and feeling insecure about the whole situation. I mean I'm being attacked. You're being attacked by your landlord and by that longer landlord. The Leonard has not attack me yet but hopefully does this peanut. That's right but I think that's what you're doing. I think you're just putting up a wall because you're Chinese wall the Great Wall. And you're just feeling like you're people are under attack a you think you need to push it on other people it's projection one hundred percent projection. I'm GonNa go see me on though you are. I love Mulanje Mulanje Jam. But this is the live action right. Yeah I know a little worried about. Why are you worried about it? Just because it's like I haven't really liked the live actions. You know what I mean. Have you know I never grew up on dizzy? You know I grew up Sally Jesse Rafael Mark Kovic and the Ricki Lake Show. I never saw Cinderella. I as an infant didn't wash after like five I was into the straight soaps the dramas I needed to watch a daytime talk show with you. Know you don't have a favorite Disney movie. I get awesome. Yeah I was actually talking about this with somebody. Last night I always up. Beast was hot when he turned into the Prince. I was so disappointed. You you would like a furry man. I liked the beast. There's something about him. He seemed gentle. Colorado my dad drunk. He was big talk when he when he had the chiseled face. I'm over it. I liked to be my point. Is like the some of the remix. You're like Oh this is knock gut like just do the cartoon cares. Let's see we're running out of original material. Well that's what we ought to bring it to the people that's why we that's why I came up with this. Podcasting APPS do not buy cats original material Shannon to the nail salons. That are out there playing I love Lucy camps and my salon in New York that you know about surrounding salons go to New York with filth. Oh so those are the ones who played the local news and this is not new shades of local. Newscasters with the local news is fucking terrifying. I cannot sit in there after a long day game. I kneel down and listen to the fact there's a sixty five car pileup on you know on the five and that everyone got shot in this. I can't it's too fucking much and that we have to burn our. We have to like boil the water because the sewage is leaking. It's too much. It's too much actually. So my favorite thing is ABC. Seven local news like I don't watch it but they'll trailers after you've watched like prime time television or whatever. Abc Seven so out they have Dallas Raines Dallas raise. Who's like spray tans? To the gods he is the greatest weather you've ever seen your life you need to Google Dallas Raines right now. He is such a vibe his spray Tan so intense it would it would make the Houses of New Jersey cry. Yes they would be so offended by it. No they were just being so jelly they'd be like who do. Yeah it's IT'S. I remember when I was watching the news and they did a story about a doorbell liquor and always the news of the night about how there was a guy who had some weird fetish and he was licking. Everyone's ring cams the doorbell liquor. Never is he's the host of the Corona Vira. So that's why I gotta be careful with my neighbor because we don't know if she's a doorbell looker. That's true you never know what you're going to get. You never know what you're going to get and that's why we need to be rich enough to have our own compound and just say I'll of next door you live. Next door will have a one giant like like two tin cans with a really long chords. We can Chitchat on the vote on the can the can yeah like updated fancy camp of course homemade God right. Thank you for coming in and bitching and complaining. And we're just GONNA get through your. Here's the thing you're not going to get addicted now the landlord on your side. Harlem or you're going to choose to get out of there though but do you think you see. He has a another property. That's actually a really good idea. But we do need a hierarchy investigator. Yeah we will get on it. We are going to have. This is what I need from everyone you know need need your best legal pranks To pull on the neighbor yes because one. I'm a I'm a religious person other litigious person. Hey I do not want to go to court for anything but I'm happy to play a fun prank. You know what I mean. Yeah hit me. How Safe Fun Prank on the neighbor to get her back? That doesn't cause any property damage. That could get me arrested right love that we are on it. I love a good safe family fun. Kid-friendly rank exactly. I know down so me dog pill like a two minute out. We went to family fund friendly Prang well without further ado. We're GonNa let you get off and get out with your day but thank you for tuning to the APPS do not buy cast as always like click subscribe. It's just US hanging out trying to survive. I love and adore each and everyone of you and we'll be back in the studio next week. More guests more fun. More voicemails had beautiful day. And guess what just Wash Your Hands. Take care of yourself. Don't get paranoid but if you got crazy. Neighbor conned the hotline. We want to hear about it. Absolutely not by. Thanks so much for listening to today's episode. Don't forget to subscribe rates and Libra Review and as always follow me on instagram at Heather. Kay McMahon see you guys soon a neutral.

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I'm still that you saying okay great And don't forget all the great NBA content on the rear dot com. Roger Sherman wrote about the instability ruling against James Weisman from Memphis could be the first overall pick in the NBA draft but the NC. Double A.'s. Trying to keep them from playing even even though he just played Danjus wrote a story about how to enjoy another joyless knicks season and thirteen easy steps. He wrote that before the whole next meltdown over the weekend which were going to get into in great depth. I'm sure Dan's going to be thrilled about that. Paolo on another injury for Gordon Hayward which is a bummer and his star-crossed run with the Celtics later on in the show. As I mentioned we're going to break down what's happening with the already broke in New York next but first let's review the latest news from around the League and bring in our regular contributors Dannon Haley. One of them is in studio when his way across the country and our NYC Y C H Q. It's he checked coast-to-coast Healey and Dan and we've all taken edibles hilly doing the hosting jobs Better than I ever could brings us to our first topic. Let's go to the segment we call. NBA instant replay rewinding the news from the weekend. This this has to be one of the most bizarre stories that we've come across in Maybe he check history. Young waiters was suspended ten games for conduct detrimental to the team. Who Lose a one point the two million dollar bonus? This is the second time he's been suspended this year for conduct detrimental. This time first reported by the Andy Slater show hit a reaction into Attleboro on a flight from Phoenix to La and shop. Charney a reported that he took a gummy on the flight from Phoenix to La and then had a panic attack as the result. He missed the game against the Lakers. His mom initially defended him and said it was fake news. which when your mom gets involved it's all of a sudden it's gotten worse for you But now who knows what's going to happen with the waiters moving forward but guys. I don't know who which one of you to go to first Dan. I think you are resident. GUMMY correspondent here big. GUMMY had. I think you're talking to your your children this morning about dummies. Yes so it is a weird divide here because I have two small children and and in the morning when they want their vitamins. They said that he can have my dummies. And my immediate reaction was like no. No that will cost you one point two million dollars. I can't allow you to have that. Also maybe maybe not great that I went right to the one point. Two million panic attack on a cross country flight maybe not a great idea for me as a parent Haley. What was your reaction to this and I think you were very impressed by how this was reported out I? I would like to extend some sympathy as Dan was alluding to because he did have a panic attack and and it was reported also that he had a seizure. Panic attacks were very scary and many people who take Gumy's on flights have panic attacks or close to it also yeah. It was very impressed west with the reporters they just gumy's and edibles and they didn't say like we. THC CD combination edibles. We'd we'd so you know I mean like it was very loose like they assumed we all knew exactly what Gumy's Mansa impressed alright so aside from the fact that this did not go well for dion waiters. It's not going. Well offer dion waiters on the court. Either he missed the season opener after he expressed frustration on social media about his role with team which led to the initial suspension for conduct detrimental. He's lost much of his role. Tyler hero and Kendrick Nunn. He's been active for only two of nine games. He has yet to dress and sit on the bench for a game. Do we think like. There's any chance of dion waiters like getting back in the good graces of the Miami Heat. Now I mean I think that they were. I think it's been a while. They've been out on him. I don't think that this is one of many things and also you know yes. It's terrible that this is what's costing him his bonus but I think he probably probably wouldn't have ended up getting it anyway. I think If there's any anything to credit dion waiters for here Dan. It's that Apparently according the shops the the heat believe that waiters was given the gummy by a teammate and dion declined to snitch. And right out. Who gave it them so like you know? If we're doing the ledger here on on points in his favor this might be the only one. I'm never gonNA tell our bosses which one of you gave me a gummy. I'm never GONNA do it one time if obviously I mean it's pretty evident who did but I would never say I would never rat you out here. I appreciate that as well Dan all right so god not speed demon waiters and whatever he does return other players who are returning. Potentially this will for sure this week Blake Griffin is going to make his season debut tonight. Monday night Paul George Doc Rivers said that it is possible that he could also return this week he was back at practice. The DOC said you know he wasn't exactly sure when he would make his debut but it looks like he's on track their are players who are not coming back anytime soon. And this is unfortunate Gordon Hayward fractured his left hand and a win over the spurs collided with lamarcus Aldridge on screen There's been a rash of hand. Injuries steph Curry Marvin bagley Gerald Green. A Kyle lowry. Who will get to in a second? Gordon Hayward is scheduled to visit a hand specialist on Monday Day. If you need surgery that will also happen on Monday Haley. This is a bummer. He's been playing really really well. Last season did not go well from him after he returned from the ankle and leg egg injury this year though. Almost nineteen points. A game lull over seven rebounds a lower force s fifty five and change from the field forty three and changed from three. He was killing it and now he's GonNa be out for a little. Yeah and it took him a year to recover from that leg injury. But I'm hoping that this will be different because it's not nearly as dramatic which I don't don't want to downplay his issues coming back where hesitancy going to the hoop and everything like that. So I hope that this will be a lot easier to come back with the good news. IS THAT IF BOSTON. It has depth anywhere it's at the wing and talent anywhere it's at the wing. Yeah well this is a good point Dan so the Boston Celtics. We're GONNA talk about surprises not just With how well Gordon Hayward has played in how. He's looked like himself. But the Celtics have been you know. An addition by subtraction here with Kyrie Irving top of the eastern conference curly early in first place. Seven in one How much does this hurt them? Losing Gordon and can they keep their heads above water while they figure out whether or not he's going to be coming back and how soon. Yeah I think Haley's right that the depth that they've got on the wing is going to help them here. You know you've got Marcus Smart. Who can step in and eat more minutes in a bigger role on the wing? They've been using Kemba Walker more sort of like a shooter and finisher. Sure then a real table center. But he's a legit point guard. NBA Caliber Point Guard. They can let him be more of a table set or he can take on more of a playmaking role They've got sort of a even home home road split. I think it's ten and ten until Christmas so like they're not going to be on a really brutal schedule there should be able to survive this and whether the storm But he's they've been much better on offense with ten so far so they're going to have to redistribute some shots and possessions one. I hope he gets well soon. I would never root for an injury. I hope that He heals up. He's back out on the court. It was great to see him playing well again in the interim though if the Boston Celtics lose some games semi these are the things that have Other injuries to the raptors second place in the east also a super prescribes. I think like there was some question about how they would look the sheer without Kawhi Leonard. And they've just been killing and we're GONNA get to their game that I was at Against the Los Angeles Lakers at the Staples Center last night Second place in the east. But they've also run into some bad luck. They lose Kyle lowry. I saw him at the staple center. With a rap on his Azzam. He's got a small fracture in his left. Thumb is going. He's also going to see a hand specialist ally. Maybe him and Gordon Hayward can get a great like a little discount. It would be nice He's going to reevaluated in two weeks. Let's start with him though. He was playing super heavy minutes. Haley thirty six point one minutes per game. which I I guess because you you're without Kawhi this year you've got your starting five and you're going to run them out there? It felt a little heavy. I'm not saying that that's why he got hurt. It's not It just felt a little heavy to me and now you know they're they're gonNA need to replace those minutes. We've got Fred Vanfleet But the it's sort of next minute man up mentality for them lean more heavily on on NBA champion. Fred Vanfleet is really good father of two arguably runner-up for finals MVP NBA champion. Fred Van So the Dan also a great talker as you and I learned last year at the finals. That guy he's funded just chat with and now he's running the offense. He was an absolute delight to talk to. I wonder if he's going to feel a little bit tired and grumpy. They'll already a team leading thirty seven point four minutes a game and that's not going to go talk to go down without lowery and if it doesn't work out for Fred just have a third child uh-huh they'll just keep procreating and fixing all that all right so so lower they lose lowry. That's bad right but then also they lost search. Baca who was in a walking booty sprained sprained his ankle. Nick nurse initially called it pretty bad. Those two guys are going to miss their reunion with Kawhi Leonard on Monday night They play the clippers in the back. toback in Los Angeles against to La Teens Jeans on the whole in the main here gang losing and there's a gang beheading everybody drink for the drinking game but like initially. Oh I thought okay. This is where we're going to see the Toronto Raptors fall off right because you lose two of your main rotation players one of whom is a starter depending on what night it was. Sometimes a bucket was in their. Did I overestimate or did I let me do this again. Did I underestimate the depth of the Toronto Raptors. Who proved it yet? Again against the Los Angeles Lakers Lakers were on a seven game winning streak raptors. Go in there with no lowry with no Baka next man up. They're playing a bunch of guys who I'm going to guess the casual. NBA Fan did not know existed. And guess what that Lakers streak is over the raptors. beat them on their floor. Yeah I mean I think part of it it is nick nurses now going to have to sort of be forced to trust that bench. He really wasn't Ready to give guys like Terrence Davis or Matt Thomas or some of those guys sort of longer leashes and longer minutes but he's Kinda got to you at this point and some of those guys can play you know Rhonda Halas. Jefferson is a guy who had had some success in Brooklyn before they brought him over at a a little bit of struggle getting acclimated to the system. But you gotta give those guys a shot. Now Chris Boucher with somebody that was awesome in the G. League for them and they they brought up last year to the to the main roster like now they're you're GonNa have to see what those other guys can do and it turns out alongside of really legit. MVP caliber candidate and Scott Pask Siachen. They can do some pretty interesting things yet. Nurse before the game last night we were asking him. Okay so now what happens with your rotation and he goes. Yeah I am going to have to find some other guys to fall in love with pretty quick here and it was crazy. So his starters for the game against the Lakers were Gonzalo g Haley's guy for advance norm Powell and Pascal. Right off the bench guys who saw minutes as Dan just mentioned Shen Boucher. Ronnie Hollis Jefferson hadn't done anything Matt Thomas Terrence Davis and Stanley Johnson. Even got out there. Nick nurse had said after the game like when he was asked about Rhonda. He's like yeah. Ron is not the most talented guy. He just does everything he just does. Everything a lot of effort and I'm like wow shots fired but also like Kinda true. It does what it says about me. Every single your your your top tier talent Are you buying the raptors with this conglomeration of like bit parts. That they're sort of stitching together to keep the moving Can they stay in the eastern conference mix while they wait for lowery Baca to come back. There was a time not too long ago when we were calling the raptors bench one of the deepest in the NBA and granted. It has switched out a lot since then. But I'm wondering if we just sit and give enough credit to nick nurse for creating that. Maybe he's more Brad Stevens e than we thought or have gotten to see so far but also. I think that this increased load on Pascal. Og is going to be a really good thing house already having odds for like dance at MVP and for most most improved player again. So I think it's going to be exciting to see him as your and if there's any silver lining to lowry being out. It's that he's going to get more of a load Yup and Dan. They're using him a little bit now as a point which I think is super interesting. Yeah it's fight you know. We told you talked in years past about like what if Ojea nobody was there sort of Kawhi Leonard Starter Kit and now. It's like well. What if Pascal Siaka is there? Janas Starter Kit. Yeah the and a William Lou. At Yahoo. Sports candidate had written a pretty cool piece about that. He talked to nick nurse this summer. About what the next developmental slate step is for Pascal. And it's like to be the man and to have the offense run run through you. I looked up a couple of numbers on this. At when Lowery's off the floor Siachen usage rate and assist rate. Both go up. He's averaging something like thirty points. Ten rebounds and four assists. It's per thirty six minutes with no lower the season. And it's all those numbers are probably only gonNA go up because he's going to have so much more of a creative load to handle and he's it seems like every time you throw more at him he's able to shoulder it so this is going to be the opportunity for him to show that he can but so far so good like on every level Paseo Com yeah and for the raptors on the whole I think when they lost quiet and know what to make of them. I didn't know I certainly didn't think that they would be this good So far and I didn't think they'd be this fun either. That game last night was just wild to watch at one point late in the game. When it was mostly wrapped up a crazy raptors chance started at staple center and it was loud and nurse was asked asked about it afterwards and said you know our guys are fans really travel well so Kudos to the entire raptors enterprise which keeps rolling the Lakers after that initial clippers losses only their second loss of the season have their Seven game win streak snapped the longest win streak. They had had in eight years they waist triple double by which says something they wasted. Triple double by Lebron James. Here's something that I thought was interesting. That happened afterwards. I was in the raptors locker room so I missed this but bill or who does excellent work for the athletic shots. Bill talk to Anthony Davis who said his shoulders bothering him warning signs danger will Robinson and this is the quote from the bill. There's really never apply. I don't feel it but I'm going to go out there and play. I try not to let it affect my game. I just play through it and then worry about taking care of it. After the Game Ono at is why would he say that out loud now. Every Lakers fan is scared. Pumpkin stands are probably even still so scared because they hear that as their automatic response Dan How worried are you about Anthony Davis and his shoulder and him saying it hurts them all the time and then he worries about it later later I feel like I'm not GonNa get fooled again on this because basically three times a week. Anthony Davis goes down hard and then goes back to the locker room or to the bench wincing and holding something and then comes out and inputs forty and twenty and three quarters so like I. It's certainly a concern. Certainly something to monitor because of just the outsize role. He has to play on both ends of the floor for written for the the Lakers. But he's out there and playing and producing really well so I think Pump the brakes on major concerns but yet obviously the whole point of this Lakers team is that you have two of these guys to to be able to sustain the creative work load the scoring load and everything else if you only have one of everything gets a little dicey or so. It's not what you WANNA here. But we've also seen him get dinged up and have it be an issue before our final headlines from NBA instant replay. The joker had to game winners in two. You Straight Games one over cat in overtime the other against the team. I don't even remember who They're planning that other game. Maybe a team from the east coast. It doesn't really matter The let's see the rockets. The rockets got crushed by Mike. Dan Tony who called their D. soft. Then they go out and rattle off three straight win raising guns. What did I yes? I D- soft all right leave out in their Three straight wins against the Grizz. The warriors and the Bulls. They held the Bulls to ninety four. So I guess the old school motivation works and finally I just WanNa say shots to the blazers. They beat the hawks in overtime at home. This one was wild. You guys finish it up on this. It was their first win at home. This season I couldn't believe it as surprising. Because it feels like Portland's one of the better fan bases so maybe they're just discouraged. The Sierra by Having a you know the same old lineup again and again but I don't know that seems really surprising to me. Yeah I mean maybe it's just that I rap a rabid and Raucous Carr's fan base can overcome the fact that you're playing Rodney Hood and Mario his own yet. The foreign the five. And you're trying to figure it out as you go along the thing that's most interesting to me about the blazers right now. Is that I think Damian amy and Lillard is having the season that we thought steph would have in the bay like everything falling apart around him. I've got to do everything. He scored sixty against Brooklyn and they lose. He's averaging at the numbers are crazy. And it's like now with with steph being out. I wonder if we start. People have been talking about. Like Dame's basically the next best thing to Steph besides Steph. I wonder if we're GONNA start seeing being that sort of attention. Paid to him as the season goes on lead Dame Cook we root for the Blazers here at he check. HQ that was NBA instant replay. Before we go to the main event and dive deep on Dan's thriving New York Knicks. Let's take a quick break for a word from our sponsors and today's episode of the Ringer. NBA Show Heat. Check is brought. kyw Luminary a podcast subscription service with some of the best content around. I'm excited about luminary. Because it's the only place I can. Listen to the ringers amazing new podcast. Sonic boom how L. Seattle lost its team hosted by our very own Jordan. Ritter Con. If you're a Fan sports great investigative journalism for both. 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The Knicks lost by twenty one to the cavs At hold on Sunday Colin Sexton Cook them for thirty one points. They have dropped eight of their first ten games and so afterwards. A very unusual thing happened. Knicks President Steve Mills and GM Scott Perry addressed the media after a blow out. Loss the cavs as somebody who's in the media just to explain to check listeners. What the Knicks hate most? It's that it's talking to the media. And they came out and they did it willingly. Steve will mill said. We aren't happy. Happy where we are. This is not where we expected to be And he was talking about Jim Dolan here. He said he still believes in the plan. That we put together Dan Devine what what the Hell Plan. Are they talking about five thirty. And everybody else expected them to have a bad season depending on which wind projection you you fancy. For example fivethirtyeight had them projected to win twenty games. This all of us thought they'd be what happened with the next and it's all it's already Defcon what we did this before. Is the five the bad ed one. What are the bad one is that if he has its defcon whoops and I think the the issue is there is? There was a way to look at this and say well if you add like actual NBA players who can do actual NBA things to the existing young guys you raise the floor of the team and it becomes maybe competitive enough to win like high thirties and a really bad east. And maybe that puts you in position for like a seven or eight while still maintaining financial flexibility moving forward because nobody's on deals beyond like a year or two down the line. The problem is the do these NBA things but they don't always do them. Well like if Julius randle isn't going to score like twenty-five game on High Efficiency Cobra barreling to the basket as a small five. He's not helpful. Marcus Morris is gonNA take fifty shots if they don't go in it doesn't help you even if he's tough like all those sorts of the things that the You Know Alfred. Payton was good when we when he was healthy. But how often does he stay healthy. The rotations and the decision making doesn't make a whole heck of a lot of sense and the result is what we've come to expect a two and eight start and team that might be the worst one in the league. All Things considered mills also blamed effort and consistency for the poor. Start to which. Marcus Morris helpfully fully responded. He's fucking right. School likes losing their obviously. There's obviously a sense of urgency. And he said it's not like they haven't told us the same shit. Everybody knows rose Haley going in that locker room. Well well Moore's especially as a very admirable competitor. If there's anything you're going to get from him it's that and like Dan said Yes yes they added real NBA players but they added almost only at at power forward And just to give some extra context of a Gonzo saying about them hating to admit so much that they're fucking looking up. MSG kicked out a fan yesterday. WHO started a fire Dolan chant and they use six security guards to take out this one fan who also delightfully tweeted? tweeted after the game that this was toxic masculinity and I will never far G- you with someone you know blaming something on toxic masculinity because it's everywhere but I think that this is purely early Dolan. Yeah I mean in the same way that you've got booed out all the Hong Kong protesters you gotta get the security guards to get rid of the get rid of James Dolan chance So but I think it's interesting. What what mill said here Dan when he says that he's blaming effort and consistency? What he's not talking about? What is the construction? which is what you're saying? He's talking about the execution which fall squarely under Fidel. He was kind of blaming physical without blaming Dale and I came out and Said said look. Our consistency isn't there. I take full responsibility for that but I live in that sense of urgency. I don't need anyone to speak to give me a sense of urgency so it was kind of pushing back on that a little bit and this is my favorite part in this whole thing. He said we're two games from the eighth seed which you know. Says I love your optimism here guy but that's not going to happen You mentioned fizzes rotations. They are Super Weird. My question for you Dan is. How hot is Dale seat because on my drive in listening to NBA? Radio Radio I The New York tabloids are already burying everybody It should be worried here. Because there's already these percolating like hey maybe mark Jackson which that's not going to help but I wonder if his should be worried. Of course they should be worried because the only constant with the Knicks is change. It's it's the only constant is to forever be looking for the next savior the next person that's GonNa finally bring you back to the promise. Land he should also be worried because through ninety two games as the coach which of the Knicks. He's nineteen seventy-three so like that's not all his fault because as we said you know the the roster construction doesn't make a whole lot of sense some young players have underperformed their expectations speculations and some older players have certainly underperform their expectations too. But when you lose seventy or eighty percent of your games and the management comes out to say after ten ten games. Were not happy with what we're seeing. You should definitely be worried whether this is how much of this is his fault. How much of it is the what he was sort of? Set up to fail as you know. That's going to be a matter for for the courts but the the thing that I keep thinking of as you talk about execution there's that old joke like what do you think of the teams execution. I'm for it. The Knicks should be out of their misery. Already it's like their ten percent into the season and it's it's really hard to feel optimistic. That what you're going to see is gonNA meaningfully improve going forward. Haley is it fair to to blame FIZZ and to put this on him because as Dan and said like you look at the the Rosser that they gave him. They clearly struck out in free agency. They had this plan. It didn't work out and now all of a sudden he's trying to like you know stitch this thing together and it's awfully difficult and also would replacing him matter at all. I mean as Mark Jackson or somebody else gonNA come in and fix would be unfixable. I don't think it's fair to blame him yet. They've played ten games which also makes mills comment about being two games away from a seed even more hilarious but I do think especially with a new or partially new roster. You always have to give a coach some kind of grace period so I think that's that's jumping to conclusions. Something that's also interesting as he should be the only one that's worried job because Francavilla the athletic reported that they are planning to Pursue Messiah again which is just as hilarious as them planning to pursue sure whatever free agent that they're planning to pursue in the future and the past. Yeah they're gonNa get you honest one day. It's GONNA be incredible. Well everybody just wait for it Dan. So as we're talking breaking news from Adrian Wootton Arouse Ski and Melinda Andrews. ESPN even be some quoting from the peace. Even before a startling news conference in the wake of loss to Cleveland Knicks President Steve Mills had started to lay the internal groundwork for the eventual dismissal of coach David Fidel League sources told the ESPN so no firing yet but the stories already coming out like they're laying the groundwork for it they're setting the table for it mills selling owner James Dolan on a roster constructed to be competitive in the Eastern Eastern conference leaving Fidel vulnerable to ouster so it's GonNa get Messier and weirder in stupider before it gets any better as basically the only consistent thing that's been true about the Knicks for the last twenty fucking years. Yes so there's so much smoke here eventually. There's going to be fire or someone fired and I think like when you have somebody when you have mills and Perry go out it's clearly signaling that like Okay somebody's going to have to to be the fall guy for this and it's not going to be US brice. Oh I thought it was. uh-huh very interesting that according to Frank Sola James Dolan might have ordered mills in Perry to go out and address the media which is something that as we've mentioned they they hate talking to the media. This organization is as anti-media top-to-bottom for years. I mean Dan. You mentioned all the change. The one thing that has not changed with that organization station is they don't like dealing with the media. Lash it was judge us on Howard developing players. Well that didn't go over very well and then they just basically just stopped talking to the media so I think for them to send send out mills and Perry things behind the scenes clearly are not going well but also in addition to them not dealing with the media not wanting to talk to the media the other one thing that hasn't changed over the years James Dolan right. He's the one constant and so like all roads lead back to this when you have k. d. over the offseason saying you know we wanted to be in New York but it was a culture thing and we figured the culture was better in Brooklyn like what does that mean. It means. We don't want to go and play for James Dolan when he said people don't stars. Don't WanNa go there. That is not a good thing. Halio Sean but if you're a private person like James Dolan obviously as you're going to lean further into trying to prove that you're the man for the job the okay. Why hasn't working early? How are you going to change? I'm not saying it's smart. James Dolan so much put on me is the entire city and an entire franchise. And I'm not talking about New York noted James Dolan Halio. Shaughnessy as as you. You are as well Dan Devine. You've seen it up close for years and years and years. Is there any way for them to turn. This around. Like feels very much like a Dan Snyder in Washington situation as long as he's in charge is not going to change. And that's I mean the the the part that really makes it difficult to hope. If you're a knick fan is that there's no reason outside of the shame aim of perpetual losing. There's no reason for him to change anything there. Perpetually valued as You know one of the most valuable franchises in the NBA. If he wanted if if you ever wanted to sell he could get like seven billion dollars for the franchise and MSG and everything else. There's the they make money hand over fist no matter whether whether the team is good bad or indifferent as so there's there's no like business case for here's why to do it if you're okay with just having your fiefdom the way you have it then this is just going to continue the way it has been and so the the difficult thing that really more frustrating part and we're all of your listeners can keep drinking about nick sadness by all means please do all they have to to do is just lean into the part about development right. You're you're saying that their argument last year was just by how the players are developing frank. NTILIKINA looks better better. This season Kevin Knox's shooting forty four percent from three Mitchell. Robinson is a legitimately exciting center. Who falls too much but plays well? Rj Barrett is the brightest spot on the team. There are actual things to sell excitement on at this point. They just can't get out of their own fucking way to be able to do it. And it's mind blowing to me that they actually have something that they could sell and they're not going to be able to do it again. Just going back to like all the dysfunction. It's going to be the front page story and it's going to remain that way. You know world without end day. Men The excellent Dan. I you needed to get something off your chest Dan rant Haley. There was some some underlying tone of optimism right where he picked off a number of young players who could potentially develop into something for the next moving forward I am I it starts to make me think about when the sixers were really bottoming out and everybody was saying well. This is going to have a massive impact on their culture. You're teaching these kids how to lose. They'll never learn how to win. That turned out not to be true however I think not all things are comparable between those two organizations right. The sixers are despite the fact that they had a lot of drama drama going on over these last several years. They had better top tier players and I think ultimately were more stable organization. So my question for you is how worry would you be about how this might might. Impact the growth and the development of the guys that Dan just mentioned like Rj Barrett. Frankie smokes Mitchell Robinson they'll stop there that's good enough first of all the sixers. Were trying to lose. The Knicks are not trying to lose to go point I think that especially for players like Kevin Knocks you know David Visa was supposed to be the one to develop them. That was what he was known for. Right it was being a good players coach developing players even switching them. Chris Bosh is the perfect for example. you know really teaching him how to excel at a being a stretch for so. I think that that is exactly the case for giving him a little bit more. We're time especially because they do have potential like Dan said but it's an interesting mix of will the front office ever get out of their way. Dan Shaking his head. I don't think that he thinks that's GonNa Happen. Dan Yeah no I mean. It's really difficult to envision a situation where the front office gets a chance to you. Put a plan in place. The coach gets a chance to execute that plan. We feel confident that everybody is doing is doing the right thing that it's the right plan and that even if that all comes together it won't we'll get big bigfoot stomped by Dolan like there's I I don't know I I wanNA find reasons for hope but I I'm I'm coming up empty on it but ultimately if if Mills Listen Perry are selling to Dolan no no this is a good roster then yellow. Then you'd like if you're GonNa let them sell you a bill of goods or hey like we've got a bridge and a bridge bridge in Brooklyn to sell you and like I'll buy it. That's on you. Yeah and the thing that's always. The most galling with it like Dolan has always put into Plano Cellino put into the air empower his preferred Staffers or whatever and then the one time he said I'm going to take a step back and hire the best guy and just let him run. Everything and Maccabi involved was fucking Phil Jackson. So it's like the idea of like knowing when to be involved in went to not be involved what to spend on what not to spend spend on the he never gets it right and so the the the cause for optimism is he'll always spend but ever gonna spend on the right things and is he ever GonNa make that right choice and it's hard to find find a cause for hope in that one final note on this before we move on Kristaps Porzingis returns to the next and Madison Square Garden on Thursday. They just when you thought that that reunion couldn't get any more exciting. The next happen. Congratulations to Dan. Devine and on Knicks fans everywhere. All right that was the main event. Let's wrap up the show with our favorite segments sweeping the globe. It's time for good call. Bad call one eight here. I could call bad call. We're GONNA start with your honest Haley. He brought this up on us was not happy over the weekend in the game against the thunder and at halftime. He kicked a hole in the sign with the O.. K. C. Logo on it Good call because he needed to get some momentum Dan he went full Mr kool-aid man what say you g see because after halftime after the kick he put up twenty four in ten in nineteen minutes. So yes when in doubt kick things and put up points Jim Cunningham do you like like when Yanna smashes things of course show some passion. That's all you like to see other year. Sweep it up. Everybody thinks it's a good call. I want him to go out. Keren break stuff all right next one for you nick nurse as I said They were in town. They are in town in Los Angeles and he has not done well with his coaching challenges. He won his first coaching challenge on Sunday. In the Lakers game. He was so excited that during the game he started hugging his coaching staff. And his coaches were like in the process of you know coaching the game so you could see him hugging and then like they're just like pointing over the hug which I thought was hilarious. Haley Nick Nurse and celebrating by Hugging His coaching staff. It was literally a good call right lane. Also it's cute team. Chemistry is Mo- most important above all out. So they take off. I Love Nick Nurse Dan. GCE I'm a big believer in hugging. I am a hugger personally. I think that men should be able to show their emotions and their feelings like that. So I like Nick nurse being out there in a comfortable enough with his own self to be able to do that in the middle of the Game Jim. You like a little on-court affection no act like you've been there before he's a b we see on that one I'm also a hugger so I'm going to give him a on that and I love Nick nurse Carmelo. Anthony asked if he wants to play again bleacher report. The headline two thousand percent make that the headline mellow still out here begging for a job. Halio Shaughnessy two thousand percent. Two thousand per se that number. I don't want anything two thousand percent I would love to have kids and a family someday. Put out a hundred percent. I would like three thousand percent. That's insane and if you're going to stop there why not let me get ten thousand percent sure gets attention but feels like it'd be see from you. Say Dan Devine I kind of want to go with the halio Shaughnessy Memorial. It's really not for me to say but instead I'M GONNA I'm GonNa go with G. C.. Listen Carmelo Anthony has had some thought through his own and Through a narrative that has been foisted upon him. He's had control of his ending taken away. Go for Carmelo. See if you can figure out how to end it on your own terms. I don't know who's going to sign you but good keep going for it as many percents. That's possible Jim Cunningham mellow out here still looking for employment. I agree with Haley doing anything over one hundred percent and you just desperate statistically statistically impossible that's ABC for him to call. I'm going to say it's a good call. Because whatever percentage exists that he gets back into the League. I'm still hopeful all that. It's with the New York Knicks. Look things are not going well for them. They can't get any worse at the very least. That would be a good distraction last one for you. Because Isaac is not here here this is from him. He submitted this. The clippers were there. Buffalo Braves Throwback Jerseys last week against the Blazers Good caller bad call Haley for them. Dustin Russian those off I love them. I don't love the clippers. UNIFORMS THEIR LOGO THEIR CORE design. I think it's all over the place. I painted that square little clippers thing hours. That's not good. No I mean. It literally looks clip art so this is great. Please continue to try different things and also it's sweet that they didn't go to the the most recent city that they came from they went all all the way back to the beginning. But the by the San Diego Clippers Jerseys. They should those off because those are beautiful Dan on the Buffalo Braves Jerseys gce. Although I will know it. Because it's got the the SORTA diagonal stripes across the front and they're playing the trailblazers. I was a little bit weirded out by it. Looks like they're wearing the throwback jerseys of the team they're playing so there was a little dissonance to that but I think it looked awesome. I think Kawhi Leonard Looks Great in that Jersey and I think they should definitely be dusting those off more frequently Jim as our stand in for Isaac as a clippers fan. Wh where you fall on this this one. I'm with Dan. They look exactly like a blazers jerseys strange so do you. Are you enter you out on that. I'm in if the Blazers didn't know they were going to wear them and they just showed up and the game started and they had no idea they'd be wearing the same uniforms mentally bad mental war. We're going to call that a good call I'm GonNa go good calls while because the Isaac would want me to so shots is. That was good callback call. That was our show. I want to say thank you to Jim Cunningham. WanNa say thank you to Dan Devine and Halio Shaughnessy when say thank you you to all of you for listening please. Rate and review us. If you'd be so inclined and don't forget you read all of our content on the rare dot com and listen to the ringer. NBA show on the ringer podcast. The network he check. We'll be back next week gang drink by DOC.

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Where Does Cannabis Fit Within Physical Therapy Scope of Practice?

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Where Does Cannabis Fit Within Physical Therapy Scope of Practice?

"Do, you want to be a great physical therapist or physical therapist assistant course you do you WanNa help your patients where do you WanNa? Do it well, that's personal to you. Let your pt or PGA license take you were you want to go travel physical therapy positions in all fifty states and D C in all settings where a U. R. E. US medical dot com that's a U. R. E. US medical dot com go there and pick out what's important to you. Let your license take your career where you wanted to go arias medical staffing a you are US medical dot com. Follow US online at PT, podcast and subscribing dunes spotify or Google Catholics. Love Yeah. It's it's awesome. Lettuce welcome to the show. This is p.t podcast a podcast that saves physical therapists for missing out on amazing insight remarkable ideas. Motivational. Stories. Best conversations happen at happy hour well, book of hours. I'm your host broadcast live here from the medical studios also knows my living room find them online at a U. ARE US medical dot com leaders travel physical therapy, your pt license to take you about the country. You can do that all settings, all fifty states and DC check them out a lot. Again, go to that website a, you are US medical dot com subscribe to the show I tune spotify Google podcast now video casting Youtube facebook twitter. Pizza Pie cast on the social great show free tonight. We're talking cannabis. Yeah that. We're going to answer what's a cannabinoid did even say that right how you can educate your patients about cannabis cannabis right way and what does the PGA research localized plus laws and legal issues PTSD consider you WanNa do it the right way? We're GONNA figure it out tonight. Now let's get down to business. Our first guest is physical therapist and founder of PhD Four Twenty. Now for profit organization specializing in cannabis education and research second has a physical therapist and associate dean at at still university and an educator for healthcare providers and patients about cannabis. please. Welcome. Jeff CONAN Jim Ferris on the show. Jimmy. Walking program. Talk and cannabis. But the first question we get the hard questions, the hard hitting journalism out of the way early first question always the hardest what are we drinking tonight? I've got what we call a dusty blonde from my brewery Jimmy for real. Reaper, you brewed beer house or what? Absolutely at the house you gotTa keep it going so I like that Jeff. How about you? and. Second. Class. I don't have a winery but I I do have a nice dry red Malbak from Argentina I. Liked. The, sloop brewing juice Bob. and. We've got our own pint glass. See I. Don't have a brewery but I have a pint glass, the official PT Podcast t pint glass, and it has my favorite line from game of thrones, which was Tyrian Lancer drink. And I know that's what tearing does you could pick these up. We got sets right now on sale I believe. At PT PODCAST DOT COM. The. First Round brought to you our friends from owns recovery science. There are single source for teas looking for certification and personalized blood flow restriction rehabilitation training in the equipment clinical practice when applied there properly, we've got the information there at the website Owens recovery science dot Com. All right this data business. This is a topic that before we hit record mentioned. I think the I ever saw in a presentation was four or five years ago went deep into the into the pharmacology. But now we're starting to hit mainstream people are starting to talk about this not only on chat rooms or amongst friends talked about this on the street. Let's start. Make sure using the right words. I'd like to start make sure reason the right terminology so. Who can tell me what is cannabinoid? Am I even saying that right? You're pretty close pretty close I mean, it's a cannabinoid. The. Be. All right. Can I just wanted to is one of many compounds the cannabis plant. And so the ones that are commonly known are THC or Delta Nine THC CBD's or can apple dial, and there's there's turbines which also have a physiological effect in mice. aflaid owns that kind of go into that. There's over right now over a hundred plus can avenue. In the cannabis plant and so it's just one of the chemicals that are in. Kansas. All right. Away want to make sure we start from the start. So different types of collaborates screwed it up I. got it. All right. We're looking at Endo FIDO in synthetic and I'm only reading that from notes you guys understand nece talk about the different types and what they do when they're inside the human body. Let's let's do that. So those are the terminology used to. If you ever want starts with the foundation of terminology actually is not that difficult to learn. And out inside the body, right just like you have endorphins, you have similar types of. Cabinets that are in your body that are naturally produced under certain circumstances when we take them from the plants to introduce them into the by the file cabinets and when we make them either in a a true pharmaceutical lap or in June McCain's garage. Are Synthetic can have an I- it's right and so Obviously you know it's coming out of the ground naturally your body. Naturally you don't always know what synthetically is being made less coming off away. Perfect. All right. So let's talk about why people would use these products. Why? Why are people using the for what fact in in what way, and then we'll get into how that interacts with PT and then also legal issues and how you can do this. So why are people? Why are we interested in this as a as a society? What? What is it good for? You you know Jimmy, this people have been using cannabis products since back in the Stone Age they find traces of of of cannabis and can have always you'll beckham that time and so they've been using it for a number of different things. But you bring all up today. In fact, he was legal tender in the United States in the early eighteen hundreds and it was the number three cash crop in the United States in the. From an industrial textile point of view too. But you bring up today why are people using? What are they doing it for a lot of folks That was a pain would be the number. One reason that folks are looking at it. There are some indications for other issues related to multiple sclerosis and a couple of other. Conditions where. Folks reporting watts benefits from using A. Cannabis product. Now I say cannabis we've got to start thinking that we're not always talking about THC, which is the intoxicating substance in cannabis, and so some folks use it. Because it. Gives them. You just be truthful about you know we us. We're just do things because it makes us feel it I. Don't I don't know about you guys but sometimes. There's that euphoric Assam's from from THC. The CDs have a very strong antioxidant effect in some other areas and like I mentioned before the Turpin kind of assist both. THC Abd. Where during the by so again, for a number of conditions sleep. OR INSOMNIA IT tends to help with that In in a number of other areas and depending upon which state of the Union. Busy combined or not I certain condition in Jeff can talk more about what way people around. I'm on the West Coast disorder I'm in Arizona in Florida. So we kind of cover the. The round of the population that he's got to know where someone is standing under stand how they're able to access it. So Jeff, where are you looking at this? Yes. Oh, if you divide the laws federal versus state. Places. So the real question is maybe not white people are using it or why weren't they not using it or still not using it date back to nineteen seventy and Nixon was president and his administration has what's called the control substance at a controlled substance that they classified various droughts in the equipment just schedule Schedule One, two, three, four, and five schedule. What are drugs that are the most harmful with at least bathrobes cocaine heroin LSD will bear got put in a schedule one. In so from. Nine hundred seventy wasn't designed to be there Armley Jeff rarely but low behold. It's still there. So from that day forward, we've been federally illegal. was really interesting as that. Just, with follow two, thousand, eighteen president passwords called the farm bill or something. The hat bill had a whole lot of things in there to help farmers with their crops to create increased exportation. A one of a was to recognize a former botanical plant where the majority of THC is out. So it's not recalled wait three percent, not three percent point three percent, and it's Jim. Say nobody knows how we with his number we really don't but the plant that has less than three percent is. That's the definition of hemp still when it comes from the same ground say. It looks identical Jimmy if you fill up the back of a truck and yours have your farmer and you were sending out to California for someone to use have to make row gasoline perfumes, oils, Haber, lots of things right you get pulled over and you pull up the back of that truck you don't know if it's him or your entire cannabis plant, you don't have mechanisms of. Assess this. But then what happened is over time. The crusher of. The people if of one, another warrant in wants to hey, I've taken this if you've got nothing to fix my fibromyalgia or my migrates and I don't know anything but this works and I feel better in whatever addition is we're not allowed to say by the rules of the FDA that any of this actually has been shown scientifically proven. Benefits health conditions but anecdotally, through a lot of answer what we've seen that rusher states have asked various forms of legislation. It's Still Illegal Federally Wrexham UCF doctor wants to give you medical marijuana or example in what we call dose, which we'll talk more about hopefully. They can't prescribe it for you. He just now it'd be like prescribing heroin or LSD it's still scheduled what the real terrorists recommend. So that's Right so your therapist and your patient going to ask you about this, you're not ever use the word, prescribe a use the word recommend but even say I recommend that you go see a physician who's allowed to recommend this to you and Said we have state loss thirty degree state laws that allow for distant marijuana improving in. Washington. DC and now one of the the same loss. If you think it's bad enough reciprocity with easy license, you should look at the conditions for Canada's approval. So for example, Connecticut apprentice some almost forty medical conditions for the purposes of a recommendation of medical marijuana load the escape in Florida were only ten are. So, if you live in Connecticut down here for two months, a snowbird. You might be out of luck with what's worked to help you feel better for ten months just in Florida we don't allow it here. This is where we have or wants to thirty three states all across the warriors, a whole different set rules very. Let's go back to that scenario. You're let's say you are recommended and you obtain. Low. Dose THC marijuana in Connecticut and you travel with let's say you're a snowbird you drive to Florida like No cut right crossing these imaginary lines. Wow. This is a headache maybe maybe not raiding rules. Were only healthcare nerds that off the essay on twitter because I travel a lot and when I when I go give presentations on this, I like to have products shipped there. So I could teach people how to use the application of teachers versus topical how to read labels and things of that nature what for while reward allowed you can ship you mail those federal asks for shipping a schedule on drug federal fans we could bring it to the airport and despite the fact that the GSA What it is right to take away everything that they want and then GSA. Passed the rule that you know what we're really here just to look out for ager odds got things like that. We're not going to bother you if you're gonNA make your seniors tvd on the airplane. That's fine. If they not kiosks right in every airport is yes. At a CD or heck stand for some products but I can actually take my medical marijuana on my plate in Tampa airport right now in fly. But what I don't know when I land. What the rules are there. Really Questions we don't have the answer I talked to you a lot about professional sports teams in. The travel and ask questions about this and transportation is just such a gray area and even if you provider are you allowed to store the product for patient or does the patient on earth Jimmy Take it from home to play. There's a lot of a no grey areas still. Feel like it depends is is the answer here as we take it from PT School move on Jeff you mentioned. Educating and in your intro mentioned not PhD. Fourteen thousand that. Yeah so this is an amazing story and actually has little Jim I was I was on the road teaching concussion workshops and we were doing a workshop at at still, University of Arizona Ironically and it was a physical therapist from San Francisco he asked the question about host Concussion Syndrome he basically said a lot of patients that I treat in San Francisco they routinely daily smoke low dose marijuana, and if I'm GonNa have come in for concussion assessment and I'm GonNa look at their memory recall balance much other things should I tell them before the visit not to smoke And I'm thinking not as an expert, which is you know loss lot will common sense of course. Get a big sign evaluation system is clear. I thought it was an easy. And I know senior was about to go to the next line and he said rig another question he said what about the people that don't smoke but their symptoms post concussion or not getting. Headaches and they can't concentrate. Me Can't sleep at Night Never Zion. Should I encourage them to go try so I didn't have an answer and I wasn't comfortable giving an answer. Why because Oh have adult use. We're trying to get away from the term recreational refers. You don't have them at Florida. It's not a daily practice that I've ever been all, but it's part of his and so that led me to look into the answer in. Deeper and deeper and deeper say, wow, there's something going on here really recently especially in wire week completely ignoring this because in those thirty three states where it's legal icily is part of your patient clientele, the other states where it's legal from a recreational standpoint and growing for some dozen to two dozen within the next year of it's really important for us as healthcare providers to know what is this patient putting in their body that might be altering? Treat out. For batteries and I should note, and so that's where we developed this not for profit company. That was designed to start start to learn about knowledge of perception that providers have compared to students that are coming out today, what are the faculty teaching them, and then also really look at. Ways like we're doing tonight, how can we do about educate our colleagues because that's what this really is a juvenile will tell you we've become I'm going to say honestly if there was. Jimmy where probably advocates for This more. The science backs up what were out. But the truth matters there is something out there in the patients are waiting for us to find the science they're finding solutions. Yeah and you know when you treat a patient, all they want to do is get better and feel better and that's what they're recording in this and I can't prove it because it's their word versus mine, but they're spending a lot of money for over the counter products. Swearing it feels better. So that's a long story how we got about this and now. And other stuff collaborated with the before twenty You know it's a play on words on. We have some fun with that from my perspective really really is about educating we try to get to many conferences reforms of. We. Talk about terminology on the laws. Tax Professionals. Other good resources. We've got the website on the screen PhD for Twenty Dot Org for you guys offer any other places that you guys recommend people getting quality information that they can trust so. The NASA Never Times. We present student organizations, Jimmy and. I always tell you know start with. pubmed. And just do do do cannabis or. A in an API with asterisk and Capital and whatever you're looking for. And stuff will show up but that's that's probably the best place to look for good research evidence to back things up. There's a number of sites that that also stay up on the literature as well. That are related to cannabis and marijuana. But the that's the main one right there. Jeff, you got any others that I. I would agree artery not said alert on there. So the key is this. We. There's actually a lot of research. On Very The body use with animals, but it's all of the literature that you and I read every day. And so you have to get out there have to do some searches and then see where's the evidence in other areas and how does that perhaps play a role in the future healthcare. But I would agree I one time I wanted the where cannabis in Google alert. State because. I wake up in the morning. So you know multiple pages of garbage and that's the request you know how do you decipher because if you're using Google or bing or whatever else how you decipher what's real and what's not out there that's really important in brings the point. It's probably a pet peeve of both Mars. I would say. In two, thousand, nine, hundred, and Chicago at the House the delegates. Are. On the table are C. Sixty, seven, thousand, nine, hundred, I say to my sleep every night and air in a gallery for about forty five minutes and what's to debate go back and forth and I'm GonNa read you the exact wording are sixty nine hundred was to develop educational resources on the use of cannabis or cannabis may products for health related conditions. After, forty five minutes of debate it passed it passed with a vote of two hundred, four to one. Ninety, eight, clough I believe that was fifty point five percents. I'm. percent but to this moment. Nothing has been done. No call has been put out to put a group together at work to develop these resources in the debate on the floor was. We don't want to do this because it should be individual therapist responsibility to look into literature make decisions. But the truth matter was that the facts are that the literature is is difficult to interpret right now it's the woods. Related job deciphering through its factories fiction, and so we thought we were in favour. Just this will be a great idea what a work group together and come up with at least position paper substandard resources at Lisa's a baseliner foundation. We all could be on the same page right now we couldn't be any further from on a standard. Of Understanding not even educated understanding on our own basis and you can't really responsibility execute your patients which you can't do it accurately until yourself educator educated rhyme. Joe One of the things that related to cannabis research is that. in order to do research with cannabis right now, because it's a schedule on drug, your research has to be designed to show that there's an adverse effect. Period, you can't. You can't see if that cannabis will actually be. Positive in the treatment of any condition. In your in your proposal to to get funding to allow a negative effect. No you can't. You can't just rule out. You have to say we won't. We think it has this negative effect. So we're going to we're GONNA, it look at it and not only that the cannabis that you can use legally in the United States is a horrible just back and there's been lawsuits against the. University, who will remain nameless that they're grown junk it has molded has junk in it that that nobody would even use I. Would I want to name it? Because, the federal government has placed restriction and they've only allowed one place in the United States so far to have what's called the grow. The plant to grow it's housed at, it's not their fault, but it's housed at the University of Mississippi and so anybody who gets approval, which is not easy. It's a lot of money and a lot of rubles through the federal government. To do a cannabis related study, you have to get a sample has to use their plan. Now, two things about that. When Jim said, it's horrible people who have gotten grants to use it have sued them in return because the product was Obama got people sit and they won the lawsuits against the government who gave them the actual product in the methods rate the second thing. Is. If I were to say, Hey, let's do a study on beer or let's do a study on coffee. But you're only allowed to use one bean or one brew for every single study to do they have to work. It's not it's crazy. It's silly but the regulations are still federally run and so not only that. But if you're doing research insert facilities have to be careful because your facility might not allow you to do that research because it's a schedule one drug, you don't want you to do LSD or heroin research in marijuana foster net in that same grew, and so there's there's barriers through this, but here's the kicker. The government has the single only pads. And they have identified CBD Being Neuro Protective Agent. So they've themselves. So this is a real political issue now more than anything else and what we're really saying we're advocating to change the schedule. To make schedule one marijuana come down to a schedule five, which they've done with the help me basically pulled it out of there but all of these the out so we can study it. Really. Really important. Just there it's not perfect. It's not like there's no short-term launch sided x which we can talk about what the truth is. That is not as bad as everybody thinks, do you know how many overdoses recorded on history from THC? Zero. Zero deaths Europe. Because of go ahead. Jeff because of. A works the way he's been happen rights work, and on fighters they bind to the receptors in your is just w- The receptor type wanted to getting into the details. Yala. Jane. What's all that can happen weight system? There these receptors are not located in the ranch. So regardless of how much intake in your body, you will not overdoses to the point where you have cardio respiratory failure because receptors are not located in that system, and so this is the reason why it's also part of the reason why who some people would argue that marijuana is is. It's not been proven to be chemically addictive as a gateway drug meaning. You don't take this and say, Oh, this isn't enough now I need to get on something stronger. That's not the case in fact, you could argue it's quite the opposite because one area that the learner is strong in it's getting stronger now is looking at using thc. Reducing people on opioid addictions it's fascinating and I'm to sit here and say it works in every case and every person. There are a couple studies that are really well designed in states where they see a large portion of overdoses in they're allowed to use medicinal marijuana as a way to wean people off and really simply if you look at you come in in your minutes of hospital had opiate addiction what they do is they then Load you up with TA state. So you have that same you for feeling what happens is you know when you get rid of your opiates, feel bad to go back get on well, they win you off the opiates but the thc so you still feel you for it. You don't have that withdraw sensation and then grabbed off the THC now they're still relapses studies they have a higher success rate of eighty people off and keeping them off. Youtube, we don't have any solutions for addictions right now. And those are nice. Few studies that are recent too. So you, you asked me earlier in the show Jimmy that wet weather conditions that people might take a can annoys for and the one thing that got me super interested in this was related to can dial or CBD's related to epilepsy and those types of seizures. and. When I saw a story of a young kid who was having seizures like twelve times a day. And their parents got him on THC with a little bit. I'm sorry on CBD with. CNN, and these seniors went down to two per day. They went down to one per day. Now the child is functional I was like man I've got to get this word out. We've got to do more about it and teaching pharmacology for about eleven years before Jeff night set down and said, hey, how can how can we work together on this and always taught a little bit about alternative and complementary Medicines in their which involved you know cannabis and THC and a, but it's You know it's it's just crazy what? People think about the plant. Versus what the plant can actually do and what it provides. There's a stigma I think still in America that started in the seventies. With a the the Nixon administration and even back then you talked about, where can we go to find evidence? There's there's been six five major studies done by the United States government. To show that there was something wrong with cannabis. and. They were large commission studies done by large groups of doctors of physicians in America and by the army, and each one of these studies found that it was actually helpful for a number of different things and so the administration's up at the time took those studies in just Kinda. Slough him under the table and never talked about it sounds like we need more research, but it's a little bit. Hindered right. Now, in terms of stuff that you're talking about a sample, the quality that they're able to to to get us You know when we talk about the explosion I mean I've seen a report on sixty minutes about you know the growing. Industry in terms of Colorado. How were they able to grow and get this? How does that work? It's the fastest growing industry in the United. States. In the United States is behind many countries. Overseas people have realized that this is a business. We as healthcare providers are this much of this cannabis world right you're. Jimmy when I started doing these presentations two years ago last years ago I had a slide. That showed eleven schools in the country that were teaching forms of cannabis. But for example, Canada law class or cannabis agriculture us at one cannabis healthcare or or Vermont in Jefferson were doing host medical certificate on Canada's healthcare. Now you have schools offering full degrees, rat agrees, and then you could minor specialized in healthcare marketing business thinking hall to vacation agriculture it is it isn't an enormous industry I think the pressure of the patients and now the pressure of the industry are going to lead this being a common normal degree. Of this next generation of kids coming through. Early now that's Where most colleges and universities goes Kobe are looking to rebrand themselves to survive. This is a very tragic agree that will create jobs, and if you look at the jobs right now, think about this this is really scary. If you're if you're a marathon runner at, you WANNA go buy some running shoes you go to a running store rate in what do you hope for when you find you hope that the person's video looks like a run, right? That's a good start. And then what I know, they usually know their own experiences of Ryan and whatever product the stuff. Think about that now on the canvas world, if you go to a dispenser. The person working there. If you use that exact analogy, they know only from their own experiences and what they're selling their don't have formal education. So what you're and you know their title by the way, it's called Bud tenders but. So in the future, you're going to see this whole population of people in the industry become formally educated in. because. There's an enormous job market and people are starting to realize that now because otherwise you can go anywhere from seven to eleven counter in St sinuses. We shall see year and that's the whole. You know how do I determine between garbage dressed up in? What is a juvenile lot again, we teach this you know each product that's quality should have qr code on. In the Qr Code, you can pull up on your phone like everyone else knows how to all you are going these days on her phone and you can actually see what's called a certificate of analysis and see what's in the actual product itself. In the Bachelorette game with you pull something up and it has no Qr code you must have just tossed it in the trash just give me your money. To our non for profit and we'll. Use Your throwing it out the window there's not it's in there is junk that's like the synthetic made in the garage tape approach. It's really important because what you have is. Go. Back to some of the terminology gets really important if you take the whole plant and you turn it into whether it's a topical cream or it's a teenager, but it's everything a plant that was formula we. We referred to that as what's called full spectrum. You've got the whole spectrum of families if you take all those canaveral but only pull out THC. You get all these other can have minus THC. So you don't need the whole plant to benefit. You can actually have. There's this thing called the entourage effect where it's the mixture you don't really understand what's the mixture of all these. You might call the Multivitamin if you will, and I think down the road I don't know if it's years I'm guessing I seven years you're going to walk down here pharmacies and CBS just vitamin row you're GONNA see Cabinet Canaveral you're GonNa see full spectrum, which is the vitamin you're gonNA see various arms all vitamins, and as you know you can see Pure CBD DVD or pure the or your CB G., and that's the equivalent vitamin C. Vitamin. D., whatever and the irony is went with people markets you what your CD it's actually probably not the best. See. You really want as many the cabinet as possible, and if you don't want the state, you can have all the collaborates biased. You know why would you not want that? If you work for ups and they drug test you or if you're on a police force fire department drug test you again, it's still illegal federally. So your sensitivity level drug test is anything if you take a texture and it's got the smallest amount it and you could feel like a million bucks from taking this, it's still you run the risk of getting drug tested lives in your job. Yep Our. Education and making sure you understand who's in the sandbox and what you're talking about Jim or are you gonNa add Back to the industry and related to a jeff same you know the the CD component of this industry rose. So rapidly unregulated that there were a couple of studies where they went like fifty different stores and pulled up the CD products and it ranged from zero CDs. Two more CDs was in there plus THC when they said it was THC free. So the industry kind of the CV decide group very unregulated and it's important to be able to look for that Qr. Code. Look for that third party laboratory analysis and able to pull it up and see what's in there because the like Jefferson, the full spectrum product has a little bit of THC in it. It has less than point three percent, but that's enough to to flag a drug test and make it hot versus the broad spectrum which shouldn't have ta Santa but you still have to get that third party analysis to make sure and the other thing about the industry is that. Not. Only has it has it grown very rapidly but in states where they've had medical, they just recently passed medical marijuana or they recently passed adult use for cannabis it. It's an exponential growth of individuals using. And so as a physical therapist, you're going to have patients coming in who are using this just like one third of the nation has diabetes. We need to know about diabetes. So we need to know about what does what does he do for the CD do for the individuals what what is it going to help them with and how is it related to them getting better and being healthy and with Jeff was saying the bud tenders they're not educated. To be actual health care providers if they went out if they want to continue to market themselves as far as being healthy and part of the medical healthcare arena. The education there the need have understanding of what all these, what are the CAN. Do an individual and well, might they need? For their relative condition. Use. Go back to you know the Presentation this last weekend and the top conditions that are being used for not not can prescribe, but votes are using it for the pain multiple sclerosis cancer epilepsy post traumatic. Stress Syndrome HIV AIDS and some of the other neurodegenerative zoos the top conditions that people are going in for. Do you CBD's or canals for, and if you look down that list, you know eighty percent of them are related related to physical therapy right at that intersection. So, let's let's have each of you answer this one what's the? What's the most important thing of physical therapist or physical therapist assistant since that's our audience should be doing to educate themselves or what's what's something they definitely need to know if they're going to be interacting with patients. Who are using these and? Jeff you alluded to this earlier, which number one you gotta be able to ask you have to this this should be somewhere on an intake to make that. You know because this is not something someone might just forfeit. Might not think pt you need to know this. So besides knowing and making sure that you know what your patients using, what would you guys recommend? Yes I'll I'll take this first. There's actually a four s been. Listening to literature, and even since revised hall it for which is the misuse disorder screening tool. It basically has aid questions in it is critical that nowadays we add that to our intake history. So we have a good understanding if you get surgery now it's one of the mandatory questions they'll ask you if you have. Your. Whether, it's legally or not because we're learning that individuals. ESPN our system. For example, I've a little time coming out of recovery getting past Asia. So it's a common health question now on the front end of screening in is a physical where it's you know a what your patient is using where. It's now. In how they're using it and why are they using it for if they're taking something for anxiety relaxed nation and you're taking at at seven in the morning and you're at eight and you're wondering why they look so fatigued and relaxed when you're trying to get an exercise art rates lower, there's a reason why rate and so I think it's really critical. You know. There's so many Japan I get so excited about this because there's so many ways to get educated. Where do you start in deal? Asked me to do a one hour presentation I crazy because I can't cover what I wanNA covering one hour because I want everybody to know what we got. This is a rapid learning turf, but it's not a difficult learning her. You just have to sort of open your eyes and your ears to be receptive to the facts that put away whatever you do in the background of your personal beliefs or what you were taught from the healthcare law system. It sounds like getting educated Jim same question. What's the? What's that one thing you definitely want? To know about this. Well I, want him to know the same thing I teach pharmacology that there's no benign substance and that both THC see have interactions with droughts. METABOLIZE for fifty system like more than. Most of the drugs are so there there are interactions there and they need to be aware of that and and I think the other thing that they should do is look at their their state practice. act. And if it's not clear, board call. Your state associations practice at coordinator and ask them. What what am I allowed to talk to my patients about related to over the counter products or THC or you'll can I talk to my if I can talk to my patients about aspirin and Ibuprofen and Tylenol? Why can I not talk to them about CDs? And I think that's important and we've done that. and. Basically we can't. Yeah I I love the fact that when I guys more research you guys said pubmed and when I ask for something that people should educate themselves professional you said Your State Practice Act I mean, those are the basics. Those are the things you should know. So go to the research and go to the law and make sure you're educated. Absolutely. There's so many avenues to educate yourself. This. One thing we haven't talked about yet, but it's really. Is Jealous of the fact that the And when we talk about this Healthcare wise beneficial. It's the cabinets and if the is involved all its involved in a very low dosage up in dose agendas, probably the weakest area with literature does not support a good understanding of how to nose. In the only reason, we've been able to get away with dosages that were sort of late. You know shooting at the hip from the gas is we don't have the overdose concern, but the fact of the matter is when you put a high amounts of THC in your. So. Yeah nothing. That's gyms mouth reminders advocating or amounts of PhD at any time however, individuals that misinterpret this and say, well, this is all bat bad comes from say for example, short-term use of THC in high frequency. Now we know leads to it's. A. Hybrid assists. Which is Uncontrollable vomiting. In and what we see is this started when we were recording it in emergency rooms when state started to allow a note, use recreational use is not more and more of it, but here's the crazy thing, the treatment or it. You get I, I stop smoking. Tonight then they tell you. Okay. We're GONNA give the hydration because he'd lost fluids and the home take a hotshot. And the next day feel better and that's not a deterrent for short term stopping. Multiple violators return business in the emergency department right now, what's a bigger concern with this is if crime if you're a chronic user of high amounts of t state And particularly vader and hell, and particularly start at a younger age. Now you're looking at at least we think studies that show a ties to various forms of cancer. Mental Psychosis. Studies are perfect. But what is a common denominator? We're looking at individuals that might have to stick your cancer later and we said, okay, tell us about your life. We find that common. You're you're on a smoke, rip the AC from younger age. and. So we're still learning about that because again, we have been able to do Really Long Term Watch Journal Studies relative to this as you can imagine a no I R B and the right is not allow us to set one up and follow people. It's okay. We're going to give this people were large THC in Western highlands over the course of their life. So our hands are a little bit I there, but it's not without side effects I think that's the important thing to recognize. We're advocating for more research to really look at what early speechless almost that's working and why are they spending money on? Throwing away fifty girls. But the science last not only that I'll give you Florida. To be a medical provider to be a physician who's allowed to recommend medical marijuana, all you have to do is take a chill our horse online. Courses Written by lawyers has nothing to do with healthcare it has to do with the legalities. And so every part of the industry, not just PT, but every part of the industry needs to grow needs to become standardized so that it has a little bit stronger reputation and we can separate the facts from the fish. I Like I can't believe we've gone forty minutes. We haven't made one cheech and Chong reference or high times. Jim You can add to that. That's actually the the second or third slide in in all Jeff Nice presentation is. Teaching and Woodstock Presentation, is not about but Tommy John One of my favorite comedians anyway, but you'll would jeff was talking about was definitely related to THC and the side effects of over-use and outside of the drug interactions with CBD because of its metabolism there's very, very little to show that CBD's have any negative. Or. Adverse. Effects. Per. and. So you know the the see products are a relatively I mean, we've me phrase CD is relatively safe the products. If they're not there party tested, you really don't know what you're getting and that's danger. Public. In That the. Quality Control. Companies that produce these products they are advocating for the research because that'll get rid of the bad players in the market and they're investing their own money of revenues research development because they want this show that what they're doing is right in accurate rat and unfortunately there's you know it's just it's not regulated. There's a lot of junk out there and thank goodness. YOMP is not dangerous to this point where we've see. Overdoses our thinks that were really really bad. That's not to say it happened on wind because you're seeing I'm sure CB have advertise everything from Kenichiro, tape paper hamburgers. And so. We may see that and hopefully. Scheduling Change Earth to allow us to start studying and get rid of the raiders. Players takeover generate revenue somehow since fats. The. Jimmy. Talk a little bit about a cultural. Thing that I'm noticing and that It. Appears that from a cultural point of view that. These cultivars are the new strains of cannabis if you will that the higher the THC the better. And THAT CAN BE I. The literature really doesn't support that that the higher the THC, the more intoxicating this going to be, but going back to Jeff wiscon- The entourage effects, which you also will see called the ensemble effect that without the CD and the and the Turpin and the other components of the plant in the product you really don't get as good of an overall if you want to put it in quotes health effect as you would, if it was more of a balanced product so. I'm going to get the word out there that the higher the THC doesn't mean it's a better product in any way shape or form and so. Are Maybe, look at this culture and changing it to a more balanced thc. CD. Overall Profile Turpin product that actually has a better benefit or physiological effect on the body. Yeah. I mean I themes always emerged from these these episodes that we do it. It sounds like education I mean. This is something we know a little bit about, but you're going to start hearing more and more. And we're going to start hearing things on the street that this is better. This is better than you're really just advocating for evidence in terms of science. What is the research tell us education from the bud tenders to healthcare providers are going to be interacting with people who are using these products. You know whether whether we want them to not believe understand their effects and what they're going to do in our in our patients who are in our care to rehabilitate themselves. So it sounds like education that we WANNA know more. Important piece really plus on just called the Endo. tabloid. System. Game. This was discovered in late. I nineteen nine around there in Israel in. So the majority of us were a toppis when we took anatomy and physiology classes are algae classes in through we don't notice this can exist with the biggest question and probably the most deceptive. Thoughts people have how can canvass cure everything? How can this person here with That's better this personal migraines desert better spurs near the. Better, it's not a magic bill. So therefore, we don't believe us we all want your off and and I couldn't agree and Jim GonNA create anymore. What's important? Be Endo kidnapping right system works in that all these hundred. Serve different functions and that's where the scientists doing follow it. So which ones are nerve protective agents which ones actually allow for aid relief if you go back to the early days of that Nelson all in control theory that made us. Hated memorizing that it almost works in a similar manner where some of the CAN. Respond to some of the receptors when they bide and they've acilitator four spots, minorites blocked a pain response, and as you sit there, you learn furthest it makes so much s is also very analogous to the endocrine system welcomed the diabetes, for example, without insulin worse in. So if the insulin's not finding just like if your own book Napa rates are finding, you actually have a tradition that's how Ando genetic deficiency in that cabin deficiency leads to symptoms. What are the steps? Is Different from person to person but I'd go back to that same example. He's very beginning October Myalgia have not learned anything good yet at science that tells us how we can effectively constantly treat with evidence fiber miles it yet it is. One of the most common conditions I hear people say that they haven't crew with their fiber mouth using some form of cannabis and so again you know you hear saves over and over again there's something out there. We just WanNa see the research done because once the schedules change, it will be. Available in a flood of people interested the more research, and I'll be the first to shutdown PhD for Twenty Dot Org. If all the reese nerd says, this is garbage there's no you. I'm not convinced that'll will be the case at this point. But then I don't have an educational platform and that's okay. Right now we have educational platform. It's really all of our responsibility, all healthcare providers to be able to speak that language with your patient you run into wrists. The first risk is you know nothing. I, promise you the patient ask you the question about it is already doing something. Whether you that's scary. You lose their trust. The second is just completely shut down and closed off to any form of this and you tell them no I wouldn't put an active I don't try it at all, and again if they're using it, they're feeling better off they're looking for is a trusted confidante I if you don't open the doors and have somewhat of an education, you have to know none of us know we know enough to then look up information and share a credible sources with them so that they continue their trust with us. CARE providers. Alumni. Again, we're GONNA throw website in the screen PhD for Dot Org. Love for people to reach out to you guys get more educated especially as we know this is going to. Continue to progress as the laws differ change as you guys alluded to earlier different laws in different states at different times Do Three questions. Sure. Three questions brought to you by our friends from our medical staffing leaders in Hashtag travel physical therapy. If you're looking to travel about the country, all clinical rotations, right what if you could get paid as a licensed physical therapist for a clinical rotation? That's what travel physical therapy is a Lotta Times people just think well patient. Ortho. That's all travel. PTA's no all settings, all fifty states, plus DC. So see what is out there you're an essential employees they've set it right now even during cope, there are people that need your care. Find out where they need to and just fine. What you think is a great place to live and some people use this as a test drive they want to move to ca civic north west well, get paid to go and test it out for months. It doesn't work out you found that out. A are US medical dot. COM has a U. R. E. US MEDICAL DOT COM. Let's do three questions. So first question is aware question will start with Jim. Urine you're out of Arizona. If you wash, you go anywhere in the US to to do it. You do where else would you WANNA go? Oh I'm going up to somewhere near cal spell wyoming near Flathead Lake. Yeah Gorgeous. Beautiful up there you'll fishing hunting is. So yeah that's That's my prime location if I'm going somewhere all right Jefferson Florida, where else would you go us? Yeah. Why not? All workers zero software bus. Yeah. All right. Second question is a what question Jim what's something you've watched or read or listen to a book movie podcast something you'd suggest that would that would give value to the audience. Oh. That's interesting. I'M GONNA. Have to pass on that one. Forgot what I wrote to by the way. This. Age So my favorite book of off. His five dysfunctions of a team is written by Patrick. It's about getting people to work together and to foundations of the five are trusted occasion, and those are the things we talked about last hour relative to the provider patient relationship. Comes communication right. All right third questions of who question I love, how begins and ends with people who someone the audience should know more about it. I on purpose is really open ended someone who you think the audience who get value from from learning from. I think I put in there of. Dr Martha Rosenthal and she's the one that that Jeff GonNa connected me with her and I took the the cannabis professional class. And you know she's written books on on drug use and. Sexual preferences and stuff in just a really knowledgeable neuropsychologist neurobiologist and. She gets paid like she says to teach about drugs and sex with a job. She young I was really impressed with her on this topic. If you WANNA get to know somebody I would say go with her sounds good. All Right, Jeff, who's your who you know I don't remember what I. I'm just GONNA go at Jim Farris years. You just don't know what topics neuronal can actually are people in the first day. This is a topic where people are in the closet. A lot of don't WanNa talk about in the gym approach me about it. It was almost like. You're interested in this also, and then we've just we've connected. We Click through become closer friends at same fashion and so. Jim Is my guy that I like learning more from which reach out to people who don't now and get to know them, and you just just never know we get caught up in celebrity isn't oftentimes it's the people behind the scenes. They're really have a lot to offer. Yeah. That's why we asked this question and it never said like this person has to have a social media following that usually like when people mention people who are under the radar. So appreciate those lasting would you on the show is called the parting shots? Parting shot is brought to you by our friends the caddy orthopaedic physical therapy funding online at Ortho PTA dot org and people thinking about using this time around Kovic to level up their game and maybe take that s great. ozias prep course current concepts of physical therapy created by the Academy of Orthopedic. Physical therapy seems like a pretty good point since star with leaders, US find them online at Orthopedic Dot Org, they have some other course listings as well. Some recent ones tissue tolerance, the running athlete. So see what they have to offer in that website or so pt dot org parting shot your last chance for kind of like the MIC drop. What do you WanNa leave with the audience as we wrap up this episode, we'll start with Jim. So I think I would party shot that. Try to get rid of the try to help get rid of the stigma of cannabis. I think given a bad rap I. think There's a potential out there for quite a bit of that and don't be afraid to get into a in ask and cannabis is not just THC there's much more to it than that. I love that Alright Jeff your parting shot when he got. Party shot is to. Work for the donut not the. Whole. There's so much adversity negativity in the world around us today. There's so much positive as well, and even from adverse things that happen in our lives positive things come out of it. If you root for the whole, you spend a lot of negative energy Jason Down, you'll probably find it instead. It's taste better it. Usually leads to a barrel I like the fact that your parting shots on the show has to do with something that like a monkey really. Would come up maybe using some of these said, appreciate the insight brief glimpse because I think there's a lot more that you we need to learn as a profession as providers in this area. Appreciate your time guys thanks for talking with us. Love. 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Episode 274: What is CBD? The Misconceptions of Cannabis with Jessica Gonzalez, owner of Happy Organics

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Episode 274: What is CBD? The Misconceptions of Cannabis with Jessica Gonzalez, owner of Happy Organics

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I'm so excited about but i will say that my business partner eddie has been telling me that seamless. He comes back. He needs me to get back to the business. And so you're like you're already thinking like a man. I'm gonna come back to a lot more work with a lot of orders. I gotta get supporters out before leave. He told me he's like you're leaving a whatever might order he said can you. Can you let grandma show grandma the youtube video. So she can get everything. Set up for me. Because i wanted to make sure i tied this weekend. That you're not here so yeah Leading an just so excited. And that's that's that's what i'm up to. I'm so excited for you. I cannot wait to hear all everything What is it like out there in the world. You know instead of being here trapped in which shows on top of the you all the time. So i'm excited. I'm excited. i'm excited. Bring me something new meal. Does he feel that in that just to fill it. I live son of ocean water. You know what. I realized it on last week and i took the girls to the beach home. They realized all at all the time. I'm always complaining about her. Like oh my god beach right here so called guys though call. I'm always sounded i. They should all like you guys should wait until you see like real each like a real each and then i realized that they love it. They love going to the cold water. They they don't mind ed they go in they. They're just there. And i was like they just don't know anything else. So at this point they love their beach right like they're like let's go like a mother ray or let's i'm like what is so cold. Like how do you guys even like going there. I'm always like with a sweater over there. And the girls don't care that like where they they love it and i was thinking you know. I'm a let him lubbock the way it is and then once they go to like a warm beat. I'm not gonna say a real beach because this is a real beach. Yeah real beach cottages. I've always going like. Oh my god wait until you guys see a real each and they like. What do you mean mom. I'm like i guess again. This is what you know. You guys are jelena's and that's what you're going to be. I was actually talking to that on the way back from the beach and i was telling him like dad like when we were growing up. Like you like what did you. How what kind of culture did you want us to have like. How did you raise like how did you in your mind. How did you raise us. Because i feel like. That's a malware trying to know the well how can one. It's better girls like the mexican went is better. You know how did you how did you do that. How did you want us to be. And he was like well. You know. I always wanted you guys to have the culture not to forget about mexico but i also want you guys to have like the best of this world and that's why i did everything to take you to the palisades. Because i wanted to see what he was. Like to have like the total opposite. And i was like. Oh yeah i mean yeah and you know it happened you know we. We went to the palisades for a long time in school. But we never actually if you remember we never actually also went to the beach when we were there and we were literally like across the street from the beach. Do which when we were in high school. When i was a senior i was a senior editor for a yearbook and our our theme for the year walk that we chose west to right. Everyone's class with pebbles on so seniors. He wrote seniors freshman. Like that was like my idea that was like sort of liquids. Is that what we're gonna do it. But the recent. I chose that steve was. He wanted to leave campus. So we would just leave out and we had talked schedules at that moment. So a had yearbook one period had elected on the second period. Andrew my elective. I was a A class aid to photography teacher so this is his aid. I said hey. I'm gonna choose these period to work on the yearbook and you'll be like sure so. I basically learned the beach almost every other day. Just like shoot yearbook photos which reality only one day. But i will just leave about like that would be. Were you there to lay out like where you like. He's not just you actually make to hang out with my friends. But i never. I never left my house with With a bathing suit and towels and a cooler and was like hey so today. We're going to go the beach after and the reason why is because after school works. I couldn't get to the restaurant for the sand. You know so Yeah i just spent some time the beach but And i remember that. I did have a boyfriend in tenth grade that took me to the beach to the pier after school So i do remember going to the beach a couple of times but it wasn't something that was part of my everyday ritual leg okay. Let's hit the beach ladies right and highs. I couldn't come to work with saint. That's true that's true. No i know there are some people that i love going to the beach and land out and getting and and i'm like it's just a call for me to do that. Maybe like during the summer. Yes but like right. Now it's it's like march and i'm still to qualify for me right now. Get it in the beaches to call. And i'm like i would select to go to the beach. I think i just enjoyed watching my son like running around the san did the best try now that run other beaches sort of empty. Because there's people like you who are getting who get cold. So i just sit there and a high i go like. I've gone in the past two weeks two weekends. I've gone to the beach. But i'm always like i don't want to get into the water to cool like you know you're going to go to the beach and like get in the water you know the -cation yes to the beach like i know i'm not gonna get into the water and get like santa monica water. Come good saying that's exactly what i'm saying. I'm like a lowest writer. Convince my kids not to like but they love it. And i'm s now. I know i'm breaking. Go up to tell alum that. I don't talabeh. I'm just like you know there's other issues. That are really. Were like this one. 'cause they're like mummy get into water. Let's go you go. I don't wanna get into areas call. But yeah i like it. I love it week. Take a bike ride. And then we get in the water. And then you know then we'd get our fullest and than we right back in the bike so dream come true for you drink free rein come true anyway. Let's get to our show to a yet. Who do we have on the show today out to dan the show. We have beekeeper. Cbd expert entrepreneur. Beautiful woman jessica. Gould salads again beekeeper owner of happier vanik sustainable company. She makes crocs healthy with stress. Anxiety pain reliever and sleeplessness and teaches people about the importance of honey the conservation. We had such a great uninformative episode in. Hope you'll enjoy it without further. Ado pollino here. Is your interview with jesse gonzales from the organics. Welcome to the show. Jessica who are you. I'm great thank you. Thanks for having me well. I'm going to start by saying you have. I'm going to say like one of my top. Three favorite parts of all time. Like i recommend that they to every single person that i know i volunteered. My mom's took it to one. Just because i love the sinai on a so much so much and that's why i wanted to have you on the show because ever since i got assemble of it like a longtime ago and i started using net in now that the you know the mosquito. Season's gonna come honestly. Yeah i gotta tell you. I put on my dad. My husband and everybody was so excited to have you. Welcome to the show and Before i go and keep talking about how great that is. Please tell our listeners school. You are who you're quarantining with what you do. Who is jessica. So my name is jessica gonzales. And i'm the owner and beekeeper of happy organics and that is a wellness company that i created back in twenty eighteen And it's also a sustainable. That i run in california so right in the central valley Right now i'm. I'm actually in la visiting my boyfriend but I live with my family. My sisters and my brothers On our family farm in So that's why spend most of my days most of my time I'm so grateful that we have that space together. I mean we've been It's just been great spending being quarantined with them. Because you know come to appreciate my time with my family and my siblings a little bit more. That's all leasing so you been quarantined the open with like a bunch of bees and just being amazing right. Yeah i've been so fortunate to have that space That my parents created and you know that been able to share with my siblings during this time. We're all basically letting together again. You know we all winter yet as and then after some years we all kind of came back somehow and we're all together again and nine nine. Yes yeah yeah. So kind of magical You know madness within you came up with magic no while growing up it was madness. You know there was no like space for me to be alone. It was always always around people always around this noise. I do appreciate my alone time. And it's not so crazy now that we're adults but kids was lots of noise. Let's the yelling. Let's you remember their birthdays. I i actually don't Theft my older sister who was like the matriarch of the family. She always reminds everyone when something's coming and she organizes everyone so i'm the youngest so i just leave that to her to remind that is so fine all my gosh. I must birthday season. Be insane over there. But i would love to talk a little bit. About more about your. How did happier gannex come about. What is it and how it's evolved yard so back in back sixteen i. I've moved back home because my mom was getting sick and then shortly after she passed. I left my tech job and i was living back home in were said after leaving san francisco and i just wasn't really sure what to do with my life. You know life altering moments like i just. I wanted to be happy in that moment. So i knew tech in that moment was in for me so i left and i just let myself try everything. you know everything from selling through out go around selling the stands in city has my family has a produce company. Anti started doing that kind of getting back to my roots. And then i started helping my dad with his bees out just to try something new and i was like deathly afraid of them. Every time i would help him. I would be completely still not moving afraid that i was gonna get done and You know slowly started to share that hobby together. And i would go more often. Help him with the bees and unfortunately later that year in twenty seventeen. He was diagnosed with terminal cancer. And so that's when my family Trying to cannabis to try to help him with the side effects of chemo. Also a cancer so things like helping him with pain management The stress and anxiety. That comes with that and We did a lot of research around. You know what would be best for him to take because he was in his late sixty so we didn't want to give him something and he had never tried it before so he didn't wanna give them something that would overwhelm pan and more like create paranoia or you know do something words and we didn't want to and we wanted to make sure it would react. Well with his chemo. So we just kinda did a lot of research around that and he had a really big sweet tooth so around that time i decided to start mixing it with the highly that would harvest and so. That's just how it started happy organics. It started from that and from there ex started to share it with friends and family. And then eventually i started doing markets and at the time i only had hunting and the muscle bomb. I made for him. So i'm which is the asana cell and so yeah. I started with those two products. And i never really had intention of creating a business around it just kind of happened. I needed some income. So it worked out critically And so yeah. I just started from there and then slowly. I started to other products. That i enjoyed myself and other people would enjoy to love it. It's such a beautiful story I think those those kind of stories are the ones that make the best compromise. Oh my question is probably the same as my sister. When you save cannibis especially in the latino community everyone says Money wanna and they get like really scared commend put off and it's like been with a rash like great that is like the like the two words. Come into a into into mind. Coming from a latino background right so my first question was how did your dad react when you. I talked to him about candidates. In what really is the difference between kanye wiz. We'd you know sticky geeky league but there's so much misconception regarding cd and wellness and there's a not a lot of information but at the same time not enough information that is targeted towards our community. Where we correlate cbd and wellness together yard so when we first introduced it the idea of my dad. Taking it I don't think he was very resistant to it because it was. We were all just looking for some solution to help him be assured him that it wasn't going to get him high and i think he wasn't even put off by that idea at that point so in his case it was he received very openly and my brothers and my sisters really helped him through that too And i was also taking Cbd products at the time to help with my stress anxiety so I think that was also way we connected through this through the plant. But the main I think misconception around cannabis is that You know a and we'd or marijuana or whatever you wanna call it Are two different plants. And they're actually both from the same cannabis plant. The main differences are around the laws around him. And we eater you know marijuana But the main differences scientifically are just the levels of thc president so legally What we term him can only have less than zero point three percent. Thc though hemp is the aren't hemp derived. Cd is a step. You can usually find in any store or wellness store online now since two thousand eighteen. It's pretty pretty much available anywhere. And that's what's become federally legal to and now the staff you can. I am like the dispensaries and staff and the like more regulated areas. Those are still that. Cd or teach sees still comes from the same cannabis plant but now it has more than zero point. Three percent thc so it all depends on the levels of thc Strains how it gets a little complicated but marketing has kind of divided it marketing laws have divided into kind of and have kind of made it look like they're two separate plants but are both actually from the same cannabis plant that makes sense makes it makes a lot of people in myself included at. I think at the beginning. I was like what does that mean what what is. Thc mean what does he do. I think a lot of people don't really know what he does. And while but people are put off by it because they stay here and they immediately think like i hear. Thc and melting like. Oh my god. I'm going to get high in what i mean. So what is thc. And what does he do to your body right so thc just like. Cbd is a compound found in the cannabis plant and so typically thc as associated with that high but it also helps people manage nausea and pain and so in lower levels You won't get as high and you won't experienced that like paranoia or that like you know that really high feeling But it's more manageable if you're new to it to start with very low doses of it so your body can get used to it in your mind can get used to it. But it's not as scary thing you know. I think when people imagine we'd they think they're gonna get high off their mind. You know But there are ways to consume it now that allow you to control how much you're taking so you can have a more pleasant experience. And a lot of people take it for things like stress anxiety sleeplessness or pain management. And that's the whole like medical side of it. You know for medical reasons out. Of course people still take it recreationally. And i think that's why a lot of people are still put off by it. Because they like the media has shown them this image of like crazy like abuse of people that abuse we recreationally has paid express. Yeah like there's a stigma because like you know they think of this lazy stone or you know which isn't a bad thing you know i don't think but it's just mostly the media and even the government trying to change how we perceive for i am still a little bit confused on the difference between t h. c. n. c. a. One is it stand for yet. So d is a scans capital and it's basically just a compound or chemical found in the flower the stem and the leaf of the plant by. Yeah so if you think that it's just like a a small chemical like if you look at it microscopically you'll find different compounds like cd thc cbs fan and like dozens of other compounds in there and so just to break down. It's like very simply it's nothing more than a chemical inside of the plant are inside the flower and thc is stands for tetra. Hydro can nominal. And yeah i guess the difference between thc cd is that affects that they give you so. Cbd typically people associated with helping with things like stress anxiety sleeplessness without behi- that thc gives you and you yet thc usually helps with things like pain. Management nausea argue to increase your appetite. Things like that all okay so. Thc also has benefits. It's i always thought misconception. That i thought thc at a medically high cbd benefits so you can have benefits from thc as well just as long as you control the level of it that you consume right because if you overdose not i mean you can't technically overdose like with a severe reaction but if you take too much of it there's a chance you could experience like a higher and so you should always be cautious of how much you take if you're a new user got it. You have a cd dozing guiding your website in have your annex. Can you walk us through what that means and how can someone Understand how much. Cbd to consume right. yes so fa. Cpt dosing guide on my website can be used to help people. Everyone is different. So it's important. A general rule is to start with a very low dose. And go slow and go slow from there so if you start with a low dose You try to take that for an entire week to see how you feel Nc you're experiencing the right effects of it and if you feel like you need more after that week you can increase the dosage by a little bit more and then so you're kind of going slow. Try to figure out you're correct dosage because everyone's different but the dosing guide on my website. What kind of give you like a general idea of what you might be taking So it's not like an official rules like you know you should be taking twenty milligrams of cbd to experience To help with stress anxiety because it might be different for you but it's just kind of a general guideline for you to use. So i might be more. It might be less It depends on your body tied your weight and height other factors that we don't know yet i nowadays. I've seen so many products that have cb on them right. I remember a little while ago. I went to get my first massage in. Like i don't know how long and they were like well now. We have a cd line and there was another thing about skiing. And they're like well now. We have cd. So what are all like the other eighty and you know like pain management but is there any other benefits to it. Because i know that there's a bunch of products now that have cdm them yeah. So in the skincare line. Sonic seen They usually claim to have like anti inflammatory benefits so It should help with things like psoriasis. Acne or any type of skin inflammation problems And even like for pet products. Like i sometimes use the cd oil on my dogs rashes and they go away within like twenty thirty minutes yes so even on pets helpful for like you know any type of rashes or like skin inflammation they might have It also helps to hydrate skin so it's great for for like skin products. Instead began also topically. It can be used for pain. Management on isolated pain management so like my muscle bomb sinus l. Play it directly on. You know an aching muscle. It'll help directly that aching muscle Those are more like isolated benefits versus taking something orally which kind of helps your body in general. Yeah that's what i use. That's what i used. The senate osama solve. I use it a lot of my kids my middle daughter. Sometimes her legs hurt. And you know. I don't know why it hurts but i usually put it on her knees or like. I said it's so true. I put it on myself to whenever. I have mosquito bites and like the mosquito that we have here at my house. They're just crazy like the the ranchers are huge. And i always i put it on. He did not like ten minutes later. I forgot that i had it. Because it's so it works so well That is it so it's it is safe to use. Cb on small amounts and kids. Is that correct. Yeah so i. Would you know of course monitor if you're if they're taking orally but topically that if it's used it doesn't enter the bloodstream. So they should be fine. It should be isolated just to like topper goal skin problem that that I take it everywhere with me. I you said like babu right. It's kind of like to use it for muscle aches. I you said for the mosquitoes. I use another date for like chapped lips to i was like i couldn't find a chess and i put it on. Its think for a little bit but then my totally fine after a while. But i've used it. I've used that in many many many ways The the cd. So i have another question. So the cbd in high doses will. Will it make you high so it really depends what type of product you're taking so if it's a hemp derived. Cbd a product. It usually contains less than are legally has to contain less than zero point three percent. Thc so that type of product won't get give you a head. Hi mike a product at that has a higher. Thc level will but those products that will get you like head. High are only available in cannabis dispensaries or are legally. I should say available in cannabis dispensaries But yes so. Hemp derived cd products. Especially if it's a cd. I slit product where. It just contains the cbd compound. It definitely won't get you high in that way yet which might lead me to explain. The different types of cbd products you can find Because usually on the package you'll see that it's either a cbd isolate a product that has a broad spectrum cd or a product that has a full spectrum cd so the cb is in a cd isolate is you can think of that. Like taking a vitamin a vitamin d supplement. It's just that isolated vitamin versus taking it in full form like a fruit or a vegetable. And so you can get like the fruit or vegetable forum of the when you buy a whole flower or the whole stem or the whole leaf. Kind of makes a little more sense. And then the cbd. Broad spectrum is created by extracting oil from the flour and stem and the leaves and so that oil still contains cd plus all the other compounds found in that plant. And that if you further wanted to isolate it you could distill it a little more. And then you get cbd isolate so. It's kind of like you start with the flower. And then you can extract an oil from it and then you can further isolate. Cbd from the oil and you can buy any form of cbd like anywhere from the flower to the oil to isolate added yet. When you're looking for a product you can kind of have in your head. What do i want to purchase. Do i want the whole flower which might give me a little bit more benefit from the plant. If you're like a whole type of person or you can buy it in the oil forum which still has a lot of the benefits of the plant. But it's easier to take in wake oil tincture or an edible or usually like An wool or a topical on in. What about the keeping because. I think that is so exciting. Often do tend to your. Ps maybe speak about more about the benefits that you're be solved brings to the world all the good news at piece actually the importance of peace in general in this world in food in how do tend to be every day i will just is so interesting to me that that's also in another passion another side of your business. I know my daughter's art my daughter. My oldest daughter is terrified of be like terrified. I don't know. I i when you get a me but i'm not. I'm not scared anymore of them as i used to be After i found out how good they are for the planet. And you know. I don't know why she's so scared. Obese and lightweight sisters scared obese. But i just think it's fascinating. I signed up on an island back in my backyard like a few months ago. And they were like just getting rid of the called the fire department and i was no because then they're going to like kill. I don't know i was like. Can somebody come and take them somewhere and safely. And i know that there's some there's something like that i mean i mean people you know. We need bees to survive. The planet needs them. Yeah yes so. I i actually. When i started my journey i was also terrified. I think i got over my fear by learning about them and you know just like you maybe a little less afraid after learning a little bit more about them and you can be assured that if you see out like on a flower somewhere they're not gonna bother you unless you like whack them because their goal right now is to just bring food back to their high. So they're not worried about you. They're just worried about getting like three sources back to their high. Yeah i do. I tend to them busy. Got time Trying to get fed. They're trying to get the honey right out the way trying to get the trying to get the food. Yeah exactly and other only really defensive around their home because that's what they're trying to defend And so if you're close to the entrance which usually aren't 'cause they're usually high up in some tree Then you won't be stung unless you swatted. Emerson thing. But i do. I'm not a very I don't wanna say intrusive. But i don't go inside the high too often because it stresses them out so i spend a lot of my time making sure their environment is clean and a lot of time planning my garden to make sure they have a lot of flowers throughout the year because even though we live in the country you would think there'd been lots of flowers and you know it had lots of food all year round but a lot of the time. The farmland is empty around us so they don't have a lot of flower so right now. My main focus is to make sure. I'm planting on a continuous schedule. And i have plants that flower different times of the year to make sure they're they always have some sort of food source. And so so i spend most of my time caring for them doing that versus going in and making sure they're okay because that's where their health starts. They need a variety of flowers. Just like we need a large variety of food to be healthy. If there are only are getting a one source of food. It's like us only getting one source of food. They use their food as medicine as well. When you say. I don't go in you. Actually go inside and like they're all on top of you like you have to trust that suit. And you're like inside or lakers. That work out. So i don't go when i go inside. I just mean open like the late and make sure they're okay and they have enough food for themselves and like there's no like a spider in their terrorizing them. But yeah i just mean opening the lid to make sure i i see like a general health. I do like a general health check inside and then i closed a backup. You go hail to the queen. You wear that white suit the. Yeah no. I just wear like pants so long sleeve and i wear gloves and a hat. But i'm i'm completely covered. I don't have skin exposed. Because i do. I am so afraid of getting stung. You don't run into getting stunning. I just like this the out hawaii. She's a free on ugandan stone. So that's the funny thing. I haven't been stung since high school. Which was maybe like fifteen years ago and that wasn't even on our arm. It was like i was riding a bike and abi randomly stunned me. I take my kids their visit. I am yet to say anything will thank you so much jessica. It has been such a pleasure. I have learned so much a where can find your products. I'm yet to try asana by. No my sister has is always reading about it. She just keeps telling she's gonna get one for me. And i'm still waiting for it. I will go see the extended. I just go grab my own other products. What are some of your other saber parks in have that moms can enjoy some of your top three products that you just loving us on the daily yes so i would definitely recommend the honey the cbd honey. It's a great way to start taking cbd if it's your first time because rule has a very gun like like a toast ya on toast during your smoothie or in you're wondering what that would be their coffee like his. It's like you get your coffee where to get you up with you. Get your seba dude. Chill you out like is it just like a. I'm gonna give that a truck. So i love the honey copy. That's how i see my coffee in the mornings yet. Might help level out things. I e you get some kind of edgy. But like i will be like on edge like i get sometimes losing too much coffee. You don't want to cross me. When i just had one a have like my my coffee anxiety right but yeah definitely recommend the hunting thing to think about I also make a cd mexican hot chocolate rate per like who morning to give that to my mom at nighttime the committee one that you don't even really taste the oil in there so Just has like a mild like herbie flavor but it's nothing matching their money wisely. Yeah and she might not even notice. 'cause it's like it's not a huge like effect that you feel immediately. It's not like a faso to chill out. I just want to chill out. I swear to stop cleaning. I wanted like now so real. Because i'm thinking like you know my i would love to have it for my parents. Might my dad always like you know he's always like fighting depression so we should give you some. Cd debt unique to start taking this calm chocolate hopes that's great. It's a great combination. I'd say some product that you love. I say the sun south Just because everyone everyone has loved it since the beginning nostalgic because of the smell and yet it's also moisturizing and just gotten a lot of great reviews. I didn't expect it to be one of the top products. It's just become too. Yeah any little any little boo in my house. I just put it on there like okay. That's it will like. I said just like i will be ordering my only because sima go spit on. Thank you so much as enough for your time and hope we can have you back sometime. Happy organics yes having me. Oh yes the. Where's tells a website in your instagram. yeah so what. Website is happy organics dot co dot com and then by instagram has also the same happy organic. Thank you guy by habermas. Molina embry said here. We just want to remind you to rate and subscribe to our podcast on stitcher follows them spotify soundcloud or whatever you also have you seen this rockinger flag. Well we want you to join in use promo code ask 'em podcast at checkout on supermassive dot com slash flag for fifteen percent off border again that's code f. m. podcast on supermassive dot com slash. Swag for fifteen percent. Okay now back to the show and we're back on the show and that was so cool. We're anyway we had here in our favorite section that tip or pick of the week research. You wanna go first. You want me to go first. You go first sister okay. This week i actually have a tip. One of the ways that my body reacts to stress and anxiety is i my my dry scalp in. There's been a few months ago a posted on on instagram. You know how do you guys get rid of the dry skull. Benin others people told me about it and i and i did a lot of research and our sister. Elizabeth actually told me that she started using coconut oil with apple cider vinegar and at that time i try to use it once but you know really completely says got into the routine of use in it. Well my stop got really bad at some point and i was like there was a lot of Today three cents. Because i would scratchy myself so much so i decided that instead of using chemicals i was going to try the the cooking oil and so i started using it about. I'm going to say like about a month and a half ago twice a week. I i have a little bottle. I have a bottle of coconut oil. That i set apart for this and i mixed equal part coconut oil with apple cider vinegar. I grabbed a little A little applicator. And i put it all or my skull from all of it. All of it. I i just put it in there. I massage it. And then i put up my hair about minimum ten minutes. Sometimes i started doing things. And i forget i usually do it right after a workout. Like know when the day that. I'm going to wash my hair. I put it on. I put like i put bandana around it because he's wrong smell and then I live on. And then i go and take a shower a regular shower shampoo and i'm going to say like after the third application i have not been scratching my head anymore so i use that twice a week. Now the date i. I watched my hair twice a week. So the day that i'm gonna watch it. I apply it and it's helped me so much with my skin. I i used to. I even bought like i really heavy anti dryness shampoo that had chemicals doctor approved but it was so much you know it was like super strong. Lie started using this and it's helped me a lot a lot a lot with my with my scalp so i totally recommend it equal parts. Coconut oil equal parts. Apple cider vinegar. That's wonderful scouts. Also i also feel that on going natural. It's always great now. I might be having a couple of being drops on it to help out one hundred percent. You really should that's my. You could forget the great kit. I'm going to try that. Yeah total you should not scratching my head because i was super embarrassing at some points. Yukos doll legit. laptops Sometimes just like scratching so odd for dinner. We is nebi Nothing else just like chinese wrong. I new kick it sometimes. I'm just like girl. Get it together. Mining nails Berries like have like just coming off in late scratching unlike like my dog viewable. And that's that's exactly what started using it because he was just so much. There was a time where i was actually bleeding my skull because i was just scratching so much and i was like i need to do something. I can't be like this. you're like irl you know. And then the more you scratch the more like the more it hurts and the more you do it. And maybe just a dose of cd to chill out now and i'm not interested in district that theme. I'm trying to keep all natural like that. Draw us natural. It's that's awesome. I love that tip of definitely gonna use it at coconut oil and apple. Cider vinegar natural. It's like your own. Diy shampoo maybe. We had a couple of jobs. Cbd in there to relax are scalloped. 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"Run Through The Tape" with Allyson Felix and CJ McCollum

Ledlow & Parker

53:18 min | 1 year ago

"Run Through The Tape" with Allyson Felix and CJ McCollum

"This is episode three and we keep talking about how to possibly top episodes one and two and we've got not only one but two guests starting with our headliner liner. You're dear friend candace Allyson Felix. Yeah on this episode. We talk about more than just her winning races and obviously I had to throw in that. She has more the gold medals in our first guest by. You had to throw that in there and then later we'll have cj mccollum. You guys probably know him from the Portland Trail Blazers but we know him as a fellow podcasters so Joins us to give us some advice. candace Parker is long. goes tonight at all the Chicago. Laurie Vincent didn't let us on our sideline with candace Parker. And this is low. And so we've got a big episode. Three I first. We have to journey back to episode two. Because you challenge Charles one on one. He took the bet he doubled down on Kristen. First of all I want to say I didn't start all this yes. I wasn't like at home in my mirror. Like I'm GonNa Challenge Charles Barkley. That's who I'm going to challenge spit because what a challenge you know what. Let's let's roll. The clip aren't going to double down over. Meet me in a sport Canas Park. It's own way set a sport. That's so chuck basketball. I'm GonNa live right in the basketball soccer bowling golf lacrosse. I'll do curling doing. There's no are you kidding. Me said a woman carrying joking sport. I can't think of any sport that a woman wouldn't beat him in the funny thing is I was watching doing this at home with my daughter. Leila's like is he serious. Like I guess you so I mean like I said we're going to Chicago. Let's do it. I double double double down on the bed. I just want to be there I want to commentate. I don't have to come and date. I'll sit there quietly either way. That was episode two. If you haven't listened to it listen to it. Let's get into episode three and that's what we said. I will handle it with dignity and class. US certainly messed up a lot more than I think. All of us just want to leave league better than what we said. We said we're or diving into some deeper NBA headlines. We're giving you guys are point of view on what makes this story sometimes will agree disagree with each other. You'll agree disagree with US either way. We said there it is. You're getting it. I've three it's coming. I feel like we're there load management. That's the big topic topic. It's been a huge topic of conversation around the League in the early weeks of the season and of course then Kawhi Leonard and Doc rivers made it an even bigger topic of conversation station now moving forward. I want to know though from you because load management could arguably be proven have worked if you look at last year's Toronto Raptors first team but I want to know from you as a competitor would you allow load management to be part of your team's competitive strategy. I would. I think that that's what you would want to do as a player. I'm competitive I wanNA play every single night because your load was managed unwillingly at the end of your was was managed unwilling into my season yet. You're on the whole thing. Yeah we're not. We're not here. If though it were strategy that a team agree and I think that as a player you WanNa you WanNa play but as an organization if I'm paying my best player two hundred million dollars I want him to be healthy and I want him to play. When it's important so you look at Leonard helped you look at a derrick rose could derrick rose was have benefited from load management could perhaps the Golden State Warriors the team that the raptors beat last season in the NBA? Finals benefited from it. Last season. And I think it's a topic topic that we're going to start having more research but there are places out there that can basically draw your blood and tell you you win. You're susceptible to injury with the amount of games that are being played their statistics that show. It's usually later in practice. It's usually in the fourth quarter when injuries happen. We look at even Klay Thompson with playing and going to five straight finals the wear and tear. That's on your body and it starts so young now because the athletes are playing year round multiple times a day from the time that they're eight nine ten years old and we didn't know any better. I mean you was like hey. You're playing seven games today. Oh I we're going to have the time to go to Denny's in the morning up McDonald's for pre-game right in the middle of the game delicious towards like let's go pick awesome. Sonic and nutritious. There was though a memo sent out from the NBA's president of operations clarifying that load. Management is not an injury resting is not considered an injury or an appropriate description of an injury load management or any similar phrase like returning from an injury is a permissible description. Only in connection with a healthy player. That's missed a game due to resting how important you think that memo was. I think it's very important in terms of the NBA as a whole because the NBA is nothing without their fans. And when you're a fan and your favorite team comes in town town and as we've seen with the spurs in years past as we've seen now with the clippers your favorite player isn't playing in a primetime game that you paid your money to go see and there's no explanation other than rest. It doesn't look very good for an NBA team for a franchise. If I'm trying to protect the health both of my players than we've seen with Gregg Popovich listed. Tim Duncan is old. One time is the reasoning. Why he was getting that look? I feel like you're just definitely something that I'm feeling Coming on but it's a balance of three things you gotTa Balance The player you're the organization in the NBA is a whole and you can't have it wasn't a good. Look when doc rivers came out and said you know he's healthy not he's never felt better which is why there was a fine which is why that was a fine consistent with the report that they sent to the League essentially saying that he's continuing to manage this knee injury but there's the thing now we're going to get into verbiage. It's going to be the same thing you might as well put load management but it's just going to be well. He's coming back from an injury and he doesn't play back. How do you solve that? Then so what do you do. Do you shorten the season. Do you force guys to play. What's the solution you're not going to be able to? How how can you dictate whether somebody is injured or not other than what the NFL does? Sometimes you have. I R I I mean there's how how is there a way for you to dictate whether somebody is hurt or not. I think it's just press and it looks better when it doesn't say load management management. Well Kristen it's been about a year sense. Carmelo has laced up his Jordan's I can't believe that and has played late in the NBA. It was a year ago that the story broke that he would no longer be with the Houston Rockets and we. I was one of the people that assumed assumed last year he would have gotten picked up by some excellent point and he didn't and recently. I mean he confirmed that he wants to play in a big headline. He said two thousand thousand percent which I am no mathematician but that seems high syracuse math two thousand and percents. He wants to play in to make that the headline it worked. Because here we are. We're doing just that. Yeah we're GONNA make it a headline kristen. What are your thoughts and do you think we'll see mellow again in an NBA? Uniform first and foremost my thought is that we haven't seen and I could be wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong we haven't seen an NBA NBA player with a bigger name. A more storied career then Carmelo Anthony with his career cut short with absolutely no say it somebody somebody with that big a name somebody with that big of following somebody with that big an impact on the game of basketball usually gets to decide at least in some way barring and injury that he wants to be done he gets to do the one last dance that we saw from Dwayne Wade or if he is injured for any long time then he at least gets is to decide when he's going to retire when he's going to have that one last farewell and so that's my initial reaction to all of this is we owe that to Carmelo as such such a huge part of the story of the game of basketball. We owe it to him. But then you've got to think about what that means uh-huh that means that some team has to sign him that means that the expectation surrounding Carmelo Anthony have to change. We have to stop expecting him to be a superstar in the offensive end of the floor. He has to stop expecting himself to be a superstar or a pivotal part of any of these franchises assists and he has to decide that he'd be willing to play in any given situation. He said several times he wouldn't go to fill in the blank he wouldn't want to play for for fill in the blank so if we owe that to curt mellow anthony as basketball fans and if the NBA Carmelo Anthony. Something's gotTa give love. Something definitely has to give but I think in this year's time if Carmelo hasn't grown mentally into where he's at in in the game of basketball but do we know that because he's not getting workouts. He's not getting tryouts point. I don't know if it was Carmelo and I and you can go and debate good guy bad guy bad for the team. Be Bad for this what. Let's say all of these things are true. There's there's a lot of guys where all these things that are true and they have jobs and Houston last year did not get off to a great start. They had injuries at one point. They were tenth in the West. Everybody was out air. Gordon was out. Clint Capello was out Chris. Paul was out and they made Carmelo. The scapegoat scapegoat. That's exactly what about this earlier. They made him the scapegoat. And I don't think that that is his fault at all now. Is it something that he goes to a system system where it actually utilizes his strength. Do you think he's going to go to a situation in a something that he's not able they want him to like be a defensive stopper offer not going to happen like be realistic here. But at the same time if I'm Carmelo I'm asking like where my friends where where my teammates right because you can't look at every single roster on all thirty NBA teams and tell me that. Even eighty percent of those names are better better or more effective or would be. They're not more so than Carmelo Anthony. You can't look at rosters and say that each one of these guys are far more necessary to the game than Carmelo could be right now however you make a great point and that some of the names at the top of those rosters have had the opportunity community to make space for them on their teams or to at least say something in regards to this retirement tour. We want to give him and they haven't and that goes back to my point that sometimes the person that is in the midst of everything and and in his going through everything. Things shouldn't have to be the one that speaks on it. And do I think Carmelo should be in the league. Yes hundred percent but there have been numerous times where you've heard okay. He's going to have a workout with his team where he's going to be signed with this team or the Lakers. If they would have made the playoffs at the end of last year he was GonNa get signed on for the playoffs but they just didn't make the playoffs so that's why he didn't make it just isn't sitting right with me and I do believe that. Is it going to be positive if he does come back because if he goes out and shoots because as a player you want to show everybody what they've been missing but does that to his advantage to go out and shoot thirty forty. You know. It's just it's kind of damned if you do damned if you don't that's why. I say that we have to not only adjust our our expectations for Carmelo but he probably has to adjust his own expectations for himself. He's not going to be expected to carry the offense of load on not any one of the thirty. NBA teams right now if he were to be signed but if he were to simply say I WANNA win. I WANNA be whatever it is that this team team needs me to be at this point in my career and I'll take any amount of money to do that which is also key. Then perhaps there could be the right fit so will will we see Carmelo on an NBA team again. If one of his friends were to step up up and during I see it maybe after all star it would be his best chance to get on a roster for a team that is competing or vying for championship. Maybe a top spot. But he's going to need a Lebron a Kyrie Kevin Durant of Chris. Paul People like that are James Harden to step up and say hey we need to sign this guy only either way. He got what he wanted. He made a headline so I guess we'll have to see what happens happens. I'd love though for him to make a headline on Ludlow and Parker Mellow. You can three thousand percents you can come and say you can up that Alison. Yeah four four thousand Percent WanNa play basketball again and that's what we said up next. We've got allyson Felix in Phoenix Allyson Felix from the US Avai awesome becomes the most battle on the most gold medals ever and the first two episodes. Kobe Bryant joined us. He has two Olympic Medals Chris and Chuck he joined us. He has two Olympic medals as well several accolades. That's good. We're not knocking. So guess what. We had two topics and we had a top head to toe. We asked how we top cohee. We'll guess what our next guess. Miss Allyson Felix has six Olympic gold medals and and three Olympic silver medal. Top that chuck and Coby. They can't i. We're going to have to be done after this episode. Yep drop the MIC. But I would like to it to welcome one of my great friends to the PODCAST Allyson Felix. Thank you for joining us. Alison guys of course. It's Michael Alison. Allison we've talked a lot about your accolades but we want to talk about. What most recently has set you apart because you were forced to start focusing on one day at a time from some of your bigger goals to some of your smaller ones? Will you just tell us a little bit more. About how and why that perspective shifted. Yeah so everything's changed for me almost a year ago now I had my daughter Cameron and It it was just a really difficult year in a lot of different ways by the first of all I had a really difficult birth in so I gave birth two months early. Okay and I dealt with health issues myself and then cameras in the Nikki for about a month and so that was just a difficult time in my mind. I knew I wanted to go back competing and I had an idea of what that looked like. You know when you get right back everything out and so that just turned everything upside down. You get that whole plan and at the same time I was dealing with a lot of issues to ship wise and I was in negotiations and I wasn't really supporting pregnancy. He And I just had a lot of difficulty and fight there and I realized that a lot of other women had experienced that as well and so that was a whole a whole other thing that I had to take on so it. Was It really counting here and before we even get into that. How difficult was it to come packet and compete at the highest level? Ten months after that birth was hard. I mean I came to candidate for because I mean look like the the model you know of of doing that. Like fiendishly gracefully Not so much of it was just. It was really tough feeling dealing with you know what felt like new body and I was just very humbling. You know things that we're really really easy for me. We're now with a challenging and so I was forced to just really take it slowly and focus on what I could do and Be kind to myself patient and and get back to the basics. Really you know it's it's crazy. How when you're pregnant? You have all these plans and one thing for me. When I was pregnant with Layla and then I had her and she was here? You realize you know you can have all these things and how you want them to go and plans that you have Kevin but that all changes because now Leyla dictate so what I do when I sleep. How things are my body and and Cammie does the same thing as I've seen? How can you say how you attacked pregnancy versus once you had her? What was your mindset in terms of setting goals and making sure that you're still challenging yourself but you're also you know understanding that being a mom is pretty important important as well? Yeah I mean you know you're exactly right. I had for me the same way. I had all these plans even right down from like how I wanted to. I wanted this whole natural experience. And you know I had this whole idea in my head how it looks what it was gonna look like and nothing quitting took land and then you know I had the same idea about training and again. It's like like you said your child's kind of runs the show at the beginning and you have to adapt. And that's that's what I did was really just about okay you know. How do I do today with the lack of sleep You know like that's just kind of break this thing down and make it into smaller that I could That I can deal with but at the same time it it completely changed my perspective. That made me So so much more grateful and a different source of motivation. Because before you know. I've always wanted to win and that's just a competitor. That's what I do but it gave me a different purpose. Almost I want it to be able to demonstrate for my daughter. What hard work looks like? what fighting through adversity. What's like in in Not Giving up. You mentioned that you were fighting a battle on top of that pregnancy and becoming a parent you're fighting for group attornal security in a contract negotiation. At what point. Did you realize that the battle you were fighting would be for more than just you. Moving forward yeah Well I was going through it. I thought I think it was really special having a daughter all I thought a lot about you. Know the world that she's he's GonNa go with it. I thought about Lila's well you know our daughters you know they deserve better than the things that you know. We're having to fight there and so that was really at the forefront on my mind And it became a big part of my fight because A lot of what I was fighting for his contract show protection so like in writing in these contracts you know we have protection surrounding maternity And that's you know not really about me. I don't really plan to have another child while competing reading but I know you know all the people coming after me in or They deserve that and they deserve. Start a family you know when they would like to and Feel fourth one way or the other alison. You've you spoke out a lot about also just you. You know knowledge with with with pregnancy. And you know you spoken in front of Congress and gone out for that fight. What have you learned through that process us of what needs to be done? And what would you like to see done in the future to make sure that women and children are healthy. And you're able to bring home a healthy baby. Yeah I think a big part of it is awareness. 'CAUSE I think back to my own situation And I felt like I use the statistics. Statistics than black women are four times as likely to face Catholic complication Giving birth then Right women and I felt like I have heard that you know I knew something about it but I didn't really understand it. I didn't think that that could be me then. I could be you know one of those women because was I ended up professional athlete. You know I know how to eat healthy. I try to do my pregnancy. You know it's what we do in so I understood that and my never saw myself in this. I think I really health for granted. And that's something that I'll never do again But I want you know women of color to understand that they are at risk and that oftentimes we have to advocate for our own Health Really be heard and just be proactive. You know The right questions to ask you to go to the doctor and also a lot more research needs to be done about how you ultimately left one major company that has now standardize their approach across all sports. A lot of that stemming from the fight that you chose to have very publicly and you sign with another company saying that you learn to negotiate for more than just money. What did that mean to you? Yeah I think that I know I definitely see And other things now you know I see value and What a company stands for you know what their beliefs are? That's really important to me now when I was younger. I don't know if I really would even be able to know how to determine that I think these experiences really you know. Should I know. Yeah I know but I'm interested in partnering being with Athletic. Their mission to empower women and Girls Rehmat right now. That is really really important to me and I see I see value in their. It just shows how came he kinda steals the show. And we're just now five ten minutes into the podcast and we're just GONNA get a two. Oh Yeah you run track alison pretty good at it to a couple of medals but Cammie is still the center of attention but it just to switch gears. Yes and it's that that's the way it's going to be switching gears. You're you're training for the twenty twenty Olympics. You know I myself as a friend. Friend as an athlete has had the honor to watch you run in the Beijing Olympics as well as the London Olympics you know I know that every Olympics has its challenges in terms of training and things like that. What is your future training from now until Tokyo? What is your regiment look like? Yeah I can tell you. I don't know if you know this but don't be only other sports I've ever seen live in the Olympics. And I gotTA gotTa Watch you alison inside you know so those are the ones bring by two But my training now is about six days a week We're right around certified hours a day about three on the track and some of the Jenin just Focusing right now we're conditioning. We just today was excellent. Actually Day one of going back to two training Focusing on getting back into shape and I are on the trials and and just Getting back to the top form. I think you know coming back from pregnancy. My first year backwards a little shaky and so. I'm really excited that now. I'm starting to feel like myself again. It's just Excited to train at that at that top level how then is training for this Filipovic different from the others not only physically as you mentioned mentally as well. Yeah I think east game for me you know have been a little bit different. You know. There's always been different phones and In all of that and so looking at this one you know my main goal is make the team you know. I think that would be such a blessing to make a fifth Olympic team. And I I believe I made that team that I'll be able to well there but it's about Now it's about so much more than just what's done on the track. I feel like you know representing other women. I feel like they. Hopefully they can relate because some of the things I've been through and just you know being a mom and balancing everything representing myself when I go to the track. Do you remember your first time on the track post pregnancy pose having Cami and do you remember a workout. Because there's a number of times on your instagram where I've looked and it's been Cami smiling and you laying down half dead after workout suit because there's nothing like coming back after having a child do you remember that I work out and you know your feelings and your anxiety after after after going through it I do I I remember yes so it was It was with I think Cami kind of bill been in the nick you. It wasn't a real workout but I got clear to walk in. I remember like for the fitness center and I got a treadmill and my coach told me just like walks at thirty minutes. I'm like walk for thirty minutes like okay. This is like a joke. Okay like I'M GONNA not without it. You know to be easy and I remember. I got on a treadmill and just like power walking thirty minutes. It was like another level level. And that's what I was like. This is going to be really difficult. And more than I even imagined. So they're really humbling experience But at the same time it was kind of a start to the journey one of the things that used to drive me absolutely nuts when I had I I had. Layla was the amount of I would say. Not discrediting what. It's like to come back after pregnancy. But you know you see injuries I've had acl. You've had a number of. I remember hamstring. You're out things like that just nagging injuries. But there's really nothing to compare air pregnancy too dismissive perhaps it did dismiss it exactly and also just kind of when I'm out and about even now with Layla. People still ask me me like. Hey where's Leyla. But they didn't really have those same questions towards a Lebron James or Steph curry. How do you see things was kind of evening out in terms of parenting now because I know what has changed in the last ten years with guys being more involved in missing time because of them? I'm having the birth of a child. Do you see that change Now that you've had Cami I mean I think we still have a long way. I I think that could we had and how quickly you came back and you know I was in awe of it when it was going on but even now I'm in more because I understand like what that is and I think that it's difficult for a lot of people really either. They haven't had the experience or you. You know they just they don't quite get it like what it takes to be able to come back So I do so. We have a long ways to go but I feel like you know men have to do their part as well Succumb to normalize it so that women can be able to do what they need to do and I think it is good to see more men. Step up oh I'm I remember I think wait last year Put some paternity leave and I think we we got to see more of that. It's necessary and it's a great example To Be President. You know for your child and that does take you away from work at time. You brought up Dwayne Wade. He's going to be one of our new co workers at TNT. You have also been part of several very famous moments on. TNT including the run through the tape moment. What do you remember about that event so much? I remember that there was a false start. Yeah I remember how serious about recalling the rape and I was like joking at the beginning. ooh So it was just if that race were to happen today. Hey what would the outcome be. Who would win that thing? You think this side of five six seven years later I really. We wanted to know what was going to happen because he was so like ready for this. But you know I would hope that there wouldn't be any more injuries. Take any more injuries so poorly before. WELL WE WANNA play a little game with you before you go because you're one of the fastest people in the world so we WANNA play a speed around the here. We go the most famous person in in your phone. Besides obviously can't Parker things. Kristen candidates assume. Oh well thanks Alison thank you. What is your favorite pre-race meal mm-hmm Pasta Yes I don't even run an. I do enjoy a good plate of Pasta podcast. I'm pre- podcast cost. You Bet your the best race training playlist. What Song is starting that thing? I have to have the diva Greece Strauss and I love which Olympic gold medal stands out the most to you and why and twenty five gold medal and a two year for me because it's my individual gold medal and it was With their kindness I had to sober metals before that and the two previous. CBS Games and everything came together. And I just represented you know. Everyone became to be Make that moment possible. What is is your favorite city? You've traveled to in the world in the world. I Love Monte Carlo Monaco. ooh I like that. Never Been I have never been my bucket list you alison we all go fix she. She drives us around exactly when competitive. Running is done for you when we're not having these conversations anymore how are you going to get your competitive. Fix I think I'll find ways you know hopefully in the business world and you know just with different ventures I hope to you know. Stay connected. And I'm able to release it that way. But you know they'll figure out how yeah. How old translate we're racing in Monte Carlo with US candice that would be fantastic maybe have a show and we could bring it across the world? This is we're onto something because this show is now effectively over because we can't can't talk. Allison that's the new show. We'll have a new show. Alison thank you so much for taking the time to join us who can't get enough of the NBA sign up for NBA League pass to gain access to every game being played across the association every night eight with all new ways to watch through the NBA APP Visit Mba dot com or the NBA APP. To get started. Today here is mccullum for three and a varies in CJ mccollum. Thank you for taking the time. No problem great to have so. If you were to describe the blazers early season thus far how would you do it. It's been a roller coaster. Ride we league face a lot of his birth city with some injuries Obviously start before may went down with a tough injury. Start to see about three games. Then why side anything that lineup by the lineup. scoured ankle Abby shot the ball particularly well but the bright great spotted that we've been able to compete still being a lot of games despite struggling offensively and having lapses defensively so I think that's the positive you can take that we still been complete. Although we haven't played that it's interesting. You say that about yourself because at that game your coach told me during our coaches interview that he doesn't have to say anything to view because he knows eventually. Your game is going to come back to you. So when you're going through those kind of slumps what are you saying to yourself I believe in positive affirmation affirmation so encouraging words to myself. But it's more so just getting back to the basics get into. Jim gave the shots breaking down the field. I am tired my misses. How am I missing? Short is along the left or right is any now and then just kind of figuring out why that's happening. I think the store Gli. I'VE MS in and out in short so just being able to have good balance have a page. Try to stick the landing. Just continue to get to my spock. You all had a lot of success. Success last year especially beating agreed Denver team and exciting series getting to the Western Conference finals but the year prior to that. You know you guys had suffered some heartbreak in the way in which the season ended. What did you learn from that moment? That helps you guys achieved so much success. The next season versity is good. Good for you I think. Going through struggle Different types of Not just struggle but just different heights of losses. I think it helped shape. You it makes you a better person and makes you appreciate you know the winds that much more so the losses to not only the warriors by the Pelicans I think you help build character for us it. It was a better appreciation understanding of what is going to take to have success in the play offs. And I think humbles you in the sense of keeping you paranoid and I think it's good to be paranoid determined in terms of the work ethic and it'd be a paranoid in terms of trying to figure out ways to to stay ahead of the curve. I think we've done those things and we're ten games in and not what we want to be. We realize I seventy two games up to kind of turning around and play the title basketball. We WanNa play you close day April because this team as currently assembled has historically Berkeley overachieved after last season's Western Conference finals appearance. Do you feel like perhaps the blazers are being overlooked. This season. I I don't go being overlooked. I just think that based on construction obviously don't have the same last year. We lost key players from our hardest Meyers Leonard to achieve. And historically. We've had the same guys in the lineup for a long time and kind of our strong suit now You you bring in some of the news stations. We got can't base side. We've got Mario Birth. That goes out of the lineup. Ride four time now as opposed to get him at the deadline they just The little things you have to adjust play calling understanding spacing understanding our team culture in terms of how we execute offense defense takes time. I think as the season progresses we'll get back to you know have that kind of new outstanding of how everybody's GonNa contribute and where it should be. I think it's good that we're struggling right now. The hard part of the schedule we travel a lot they replay fifteen of our first twenty on the road and we're going to be tested with backpacks and things like that and I think it will pay off later on the season back at home and and have already caused or worse. The Western Conference has been You you know big an off season and duos and UN dame have been together for a long time. Can you talk about your relationship. Both on the court and off the the court with with Dame Lillard they got a great relationship We've known each other since before we got drafted the In terms of understanding. You know where we both come from my family along we're friends and go each other's house we shop We've done a lot of stuff Historically throughout our careers to where where we can really trust each other. We have a great understanding of both our game with our personalities and we aren't afraid to challenge each other so when I'm not performing the way I'm supposed to me really telling me keep being aggressive. Keep attacking you when. He's doing something that he's supposed to do. I'll tell them more. Remind him to stick his landing on the ballot so it's time to attack or org just figuring out ways to kind of keep everybody involved and everybody motivated. Because it's such a long season we spend more time with each other and we do our family so you you really get to know Not just being really get to know all our teammates. And what motivates them. What things do you like to do in their spare time? And they continue to strengthen our bod. I don't think I realized that you endanger relationship dated so far back prior to the NBA. At what point did you guys meet. We met when I was a senior in college. We actually got introduced by a mutual friend. And I before I broke my foot you know we started talking and I realized his foot it was rookie. NBA and I was just asking about the NBA NBA asking about the process of recovery. How long they took what type of things I should be doing and he was just telling me like you're going to be a lottery pig like I've seen the board and not to worry three and I was just freaking out because I just Declared the draft went back to school and ended up fracture games into my my senior year so so we ended up meeting them Persian draft lottery but we were connected my senior year before graduating speaking of a fractured foot. There's been a lot a controversy about load management around the NBA. What are your thoughts on load management and Do you think that you know. Obviously media has taken this a little bit over us. Ninety media is US BE USA going to be a part of what I could I be on. Can I be in between Kristen. Justin Kinda don't JC jam. Yes I like that. So then load management go. The I'm in print about honestly I think it is blown out of proportion at times As a player organization you have the right. I see what's best for your team and for your players at that city guys out on back to back if that's limiting minutes if that's figuring out how to maximize their potential for lacy run. I think you have a right to do that at the same time. I understand why certain fans may be mad with spending money on games for betting on games and that kind of changes. It changes how they're kind of looking at the situation but For me speaking purely on how I operate I get myself ready for a season. That's how I train. That's how compare in terms of sleep Treatment massage soft tissue word. Meditation like whatever it takes to kind of get my body greatly to season. That's what I do in the event that I'm in a position to censor games especially late in the season because we solidified a certain spot in the playoffs or they feel is best for my body. I would definitely athlete. Take them up on that vacation But I still thought it being I lead. The League admits right. Now we were four and six and I have no problem with my as I've done in previous years as long as my body is in the right position by spot to continue to push forward. I close in thirty. I just kind of think about longevity how I really take advantage of my sleep and treatment so that I can lead the league admits if I need to. You've also so considered podcasting to be one of your healthy habits at least from what I've read. You said that it gives you an escape that is essentially. What candace and I are trying to do here? It's an escape from the everyday doing this in other rooms. If you were to give us though any advice on a successful podcast I guess what would it be I think you guys are off to a great start. You had Kobe on You've had some great guests on so far and it's the name by yourself but I think you're a great starting. The biggest thing is the consistency in in trying to find guess goes ruling back yet dot it becomes harder and harder to get guests and obviously he got turned back. And you and you're able to kind of security but As asking for candidates is figuring out that and we can be very unreliable at times when I've noticed in the apathetic world but my only advice would be enjoyed. It have are with it and not the best of luck on landing diversified amount of guests. So you've obviously got the got. The podcast going after basketball. Could you see yourself full-time behind the MIC. Maybe even with Turner get questions. Something I've thought about. I majored in journalism. Something kind of prepared myself for in terms of diversifying my portfolio being able to go on TV versus rate versus radio versus podcasting casting I definitely feel like it's something that I wanna be a part of what I do retire to what Linford. I'm not sure I do. Enjoy my relax. I enjoy traveling vacationing. See what he's saying right now is I'd be into it but not working as often as the two of you do i. Am I going to cover. Eighty two games as of right now. We go into the season preparing for eighty two game. CJ here nine load a little bit. You know work on my stay at home. DADS to Kinda tighten right now and then I'll probably jump back into it once. I get tired with three hundred sixty five days a year. That's a lot of times so I'm sure I'll be able to work some those days for sure. I'm just saying with current or whoever Turner. Yeah that's okay. I'm just saying lead. Low Parker and mccullum has a ring to it. That's really nice. We can discuss the order podcast. Or it's like a bank or a successful lawyer like a band. Yeah it could be a Bantu like how I like that like that right. When's the mix tape dropping? Let's talk to date you see now. It all connects because dame the producer do you know what. Cj Thinking is. I told him I had a heart out. I gotta go see Jay. Thank you so much for taking the time no problem bye bye. Thank you see in this segment segment usually NBA. We'll stand for no basketball allow but in this episode we've got to take a look inside the NBA before we can look outside of the NBA. Because Miami Amy Heat Guard Dion waiters experienced quote unquote panic attack on the teams charter flight. Thursday night after consuming a THC infused edible. He's since been and suspended for ten games for conduct detrimental to the team. I think this will spark a conversation no pun intended about marijuana around the NBA and even before this incident with dion waiters. Commissioner Adam Silver spoke last season about marijuana usage in and around the NBA on Howard. Beck's full forty eight podcast. It's a question if we ban marijuana of what they'll then otherwise us I've had players tell me that I don't smoke marijuana use marijuana because you guys drug tests and it's banning I accept that that so instead. I was written a prescription by a team doctor for an anti anxiety. Medication and that medication makes me uncomfortable. And I I recognize that that medication may be worse for the player than smoking marijuana. Even marijuana isn't great for you and I also recognize that if they don't want to anti anxiety medication location and they don't make can't smoke marijuana they may drink more which is perfectly legal. Obviously we can't overuse use alcohol in our league but we don't have approach on drinking and that might be much worse for them. So we're I'm in and I think this is why our discussion with the Union. Let's look to the experts to inform us as I said this is not. This is not one where it has to be adversarial. What's best interest of the players? And what's in the best incidentally before we talk about whether or not you agree with commissioner silver. I want to know whether or not you think this incident with Dion will perhaps halt some of that progress. I don't know if this issue with Dion will halt the progress but I do believe that it brings negative attention to the purpose because a lot of the purpose of the fight to legalize. It has been to replace some medicines sins that have far worse effects than marijuana. THC things like that. So it's about drawing that line of are you doing it. Because you're covering with a knee injury to play their swelling to help with pain management it some of the similar reasons why you get prescribed some of these medicines than d think that this incident could perhaps further further the stigma surrounding marijuana usage. I do believe that it is a check on the side of people that are against legalizing it in the sense of the abuse. which is what you worry about? I mean there was a point in our country in our in our time in our country where alcohol was illegal and the stigma behind that was negative one and just as we heard the commissioner speak about it. Too much of anything is a bad thing. And that's what we have to realize going into this but the question is raised you know. Is this something that you need to look into. And experts as he spoke about need to give more information because the biggest concern our players health and safety and not just as we found out in football not just the years. They're playing but in the future because if I'm taking a pain pill that's GonNa Affect my stomach my liver my organs. And you're telling me I can take thc or CBD and it have no long lasting effect impact on my body then. Are we doing it because just the stigma behind marijuana is bad and that's why we're not prescribing it. And that's why it's on the drug tests or are we doing it because it's really what's best for the players could then the NBA be at the forefront of helping to push this issue forward even as states laws. Continue to catch up if there is a sports league. That's going to do it it's the NBA. It's going to have to be. I feel like the NBA has always been on the forefront of change. If you look at the history of the game always always whether it'd be in civil rights whatever it's always on the forefront of making change which has been so interesting to me as I've researched further on this topic to find that the former commissioner David Stern is also I mean a guy who can I call him rigidly conservative on Uganda. Major issues. Shoes feels as passionately has he does and spoke to Al Harrington about it in two thousand seventeen and then we go change collectible ingredient and let you do with legal in your state. I don't think if marijuana is now in the process of being legalized. I would think you should be allowed to do. What's legal in your state so now I think it's up to the sports leagues to anticipate where this is going? And maybe lead the way. Did you feel like the NBA would prescribe marijuana WanNa but it would be once all the tests done about prescribing it. It's about deciding to take it off the banned substance of because it's no different than other subjects objects that may work. We're not work with particular players. I'm now at the point where personally I think it probably should be removed from the banned list. The do you agree or disagree. Disagree with former commissioner stern that it should be removed from the banned substance list. I agree with the Commissioner. Even while it's still illegal in most states you know we always joke that Los Angeles and California is a different world in Los Angeles and in California in the last three to five years. You have seen the difference in in the impact it has had in the amount of THC CD stores just around. That five years ago would have been unheard of and I do believe that if it's it's not affecting you in terms of long-term effects I think that's what we're we're forgetting the long term effects of some of these medicines and these drugs that are being prescribed. We don't have all day kristen. But you brought up a Lamar Odom in the sense of some of these. Athletes are being addicted to some of these painkillers. Alerts that are being prescribed by team physicians. Which is to commissioner? Silver's point that he would rather some of these guys find more natural solution to their pain management than in some of these prescriptions. That are being prescribed that they're flat out not comfortable with and I think the stigma of smoking marijuana now. That's what the perception is is that you're going to get in your cars after games and you're GONNA smoke. And that's the thing that we're speaking about with Dion. Waiters waiters is setting it back abuse in anything you do is a negative thing if you over abuse anything. It has a negative effect effect on things and so I think it's just finding the right balance getting the right people that are knowledgeable in this subject to come forward but I do believe the NBA will be the First Sports League to legalize it. How thin I mean? I guess he can't make anything like this quote Unquote Fair. While it's still illegal in most states but how how then do you make it more fair for the NBA teams. That are in states where it is legal. Is that going to impact perhaps where players with pain management issues. WanNa play well everybody wants to come out to La California anyway. But I guarantee if it's only legal in the states at which it's state legal you enter into a whole nother set of problems if you think about it if I'm flying team and I fly to Los Angeles and my then allowed to do something in another state that in my home state it's not legal and then it gets an a team. I think it has to be across the board. It's legal you think it has to be across the board acceptable for the NBA players or across the board. We wait until it's legal. Federally I think across the board it has to be wiped out as a banned substance on an NBA tests drug to us us. That's a wrap on episode three a huge thanks to Allyson Felix to see McCullough.

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Justin Singer - How Regulation Unlocks Opportunity - [Founders Field Guide, EP.2]

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Justin Singer - How Regulation Unlocks Opportunity - [Founders Field Guide, EP.2]

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Founders field guide is a series of conversations with founders, CEOS and operator spilling Greek businesses. I believe we are all builders in our own way in this series is dedicated stories and lessons from builders of all types you can find more episodes at investor field guide, DOT COM. Patrick o'shaughnessy if the CEO of Shaughnessy Asset Management All opinions expressed Patrick and podcast guests are solely their own opinions and do not reflect the opinion of o'shaughnessy asset management. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as basis for investment decisions, clients, Shaughnessy asset management, may maintain positions in the securities discussed in this podcast. Today is Justin, Singer founder and CEO of caliber foods and stillwater brands to leading companies in the cannabis industry. We start our conversation with a fascinating discussion on how regulation creates or destroys business and investing opportunities, and then go on to discuss the INS and outs of the cannabis industry. In detail, you'll be able to tell quickly how high quality justin is a thinker and operator, and you'll learn a ton about this nation business. Please enjoy our conversation. suggested. I thought that an interesting place to begin our conversation is with your prior life and this interesting view you have around changes in regulation creating market opportunities you could highlight what you mean by that relative to say new technologies creating opportunities in the early stage space or in the nascent equity space. Wise regulations. So important wonder some of your favorite examples of that I am a little odd in that I've got the classical business and legal education sort of the antithesis of what the last fifteen years have driven people. Towards, but it's actually given me. I think a much more holistic view of where markets come from. That's not inside out from a technology perspective. It's much more outside in like what else is involved in creating this market that started the initial interest was in the mid two, thousand and two thousand and I was in law school and I was looking at telecom market. So there is all the spectrum auctions going on. There was where did the property rights in the advertising time reside are owned by the content owner are they? Owned by cable provider or are they owned by somebody else? These are all big questions and they all determined both the quality of what was going to be able to what the axes of competition were and what the ultimate growth potential the market was. So you put that altogether at in a little mix of time spent in early stage seed stage venture at I ventures, and the synthesis of all that believe the best venture opportunities are where you have the overlap of massive extent demand known demand and some sort of regulatory. Unlocking event. So my favorite examples I mentioned things with Telekom, the broadband spectrum auctions back in the eighties to nineties those really opened up a whole marketplace where lots of fortunes were made lots of economic activity. You look at the version of capital gains, tax rate versus ordinary income, and you saw the explosion funds industry that comes after that. Another one that I really like is the reorganization turnaround industry where with the passage of the bankruptcy laws suddenly able to build all sorts of industry whether it was high yield debt or. Whatever it might be, but it was built on top of this platform of certainty where everybody knew how things were going to function in different scenarios. Same thing can be said more closer to my industry supplements, which for better for worse exploded after the passage of the dietary supplement, health, education. Act, to Shea back in ninety three, basically every massive market they look at you can trace to. Some sort of regulatory and locking event, and lest we ignore what's going on today I think we just saw in the last couple of months lots of people saying you wouldn't have the modern Internet without section to thirty of the Communications Decency Act. Well, I don't know that that's quite the argument favor that people make it out to be. It is an argument, an admission that regulations matter. Does it follow that VC's or I guess all investors should have an analyst just tracking new regulatory changes and serve trying to match those against demand. I don't know if you can do it with an analyst like I think it behooves VC's to actually pay attention to the whole picture I'm bear on things like autonomous cars and it's not because I don't believe the technology possible because I don't think the insurance questions answerable and I think the legal questions are answerable around it. That's not because I have some special understanding of the laws around this. It's just I have seen laws matter. Not at the margins they matter at the core technology alone never creates a market there has to be some enshrinement of the competition of that technology of the ways that you wanted to go in the law, and that's the platform which companies can stand and fight each other and develop activities. Do you need a dedicated personnel because it's also sometimes hard to predict Priori which technological changes or which legal changes are going to lead to massive shifts section thirty as like a very strange history the section that has remainder is the least important part of the communications. Decency Act was struck down. Do a lawsuit with Belfort's actually a really fun little history there. Can you describe that history? I'm unfamiliar with this entire area. So what is section two thirty wise important. What's the story there with the caveats that I have not refresh my memory on this stuff in a long time. So I might get some of these details wrong and I encourage everybody to go look it up and fat me on this but there were basically three different. Parts of the communications. Decency Act is passed during the Clinton era and the idea is the Internet is coming up we need to preserve decency. We need to watch out for porn all of the bad stuff, and that was really the thrust of the communications decency act more of like a more realistic view of how do we prevent things that might be dangerous to children from getting online as part of that there was this threat of case. Law that had been coming up though is distinguishing between the publisher in the platform trying to figure out also, there's also debates around like whether it's an interactive website or read only website law in general is always trying to make analogies to prior technologies. In prior cases, the Internet was no different especially age of BBC message boards, but would ultimately happened is then I think it was Yahoo Stocks Jordan Belfort of Wall Street's people from his firm. Were pumping up penny stocks on the forums, doing pump and dump with them and Yahu got sued as part of it that they were the publishers and therefore had liability for this and the rolling ultimately came down was no publisher can't be held responsible least. They aren't strictly liable for the content on the platform. There's more nuance around it than just that it abroad level that is it's and that sort of became the basis for things like. For US generated content for facebook for twitter that there was a leaf that there was this broad exception where they couldn't be held liable for the content posted on their platform and that unlocked lot of activity around UGC I think without that term without that clause surviving and remaining surviving clause all this because all of the decency parts of the CD were all struck down on constitutional I. Many reasons. Then you would have a very different Internet's I would argue about but I know many people would argue differently. Is kind of a coupled with this idea of regulatory change being important is just the basic idea of rule sets to begin with a loved expand a bit more on that. You know use clever examples from like half a block together how soccer came together and how this relates to what we think of as free markets. So talk about kind of. The relationship between rules, laws and free markets as a lawyer like I've just been taught. There's no such thing as a free market you want a free market go to Russia. Whoever's the biggest gone winds? That's a free market. If you want the rule of law if you want the bundle of rights for property rights that is infringing on the true free. Market, but it was also creating a shared platform of understanding from which people can transact. These were the same insights that underlie the original stock exchanges. Somebody was there to put down and build trust on their common laws how you create contracts that could be exchanged. The example that you mentioned about football thing that I always like to say twenty two guys. Beating the shit out of each other in a field doesn't we suddenly become the super bowl ever choirs rules that requires regulations, requires contracts. All these things have to be commonly agreed to the early days of Football College football in the late eighteen hundreds people dying quake constantly there's no rule book. It just became a free for all enough players enough kids. That somebody said okay. Let's put some rules in place here. What is I down actually mean what is a catch actually mean how many downs are there? Once you got the shared set of rules than the play all became much more constrained around those rules wasn't just a free for all where whoever was live at the end was the winner you actually had to abide by certain things and those rules have to be tweets over time. People learn to exploit them. This is not some system where there's a perfect set of rules there never is that suddenly things are all going to work in a healthy way you can create competition through rules. My favorite modern example of this is f. one racing where every couple of years they changed the rules around the build of the cars because if you leave the rules in place for too long, the cars get too fast they get. Teams that are able to exploit certain things about it. Also able to pull away you get this fundamental inequality but if you change the rules in very them up a bit, then suddenly everybody is looking at this new jumble and they're kind of on a level playing field all over again, you get a lot more competition out of that you get a lot more innovation activity. You're not just trying focusing on spending ninety, five percent of the effort to get the last five percent of the way there you're spending all your time getting that I ninety, five percent all. Over again, and that's where economic activity innovation really lies in the opportunity to create things out of whole cloth. But you still need some shared basis of what is right what is wrong? How are we going to interact with each other? How are we going to exchange things? Wonderful Book it's called reinventing the bizarre Stanford economist from around like two thousand, seventeen, thousand, eight, the talks about just the limits of markets they can be used they can be misused, but you have to make a conscious decision about how you use them if you want to get a economic activity result. Other any other interesting angles on the regulatory changes that have happened recently before we move onto the cannabis space for the majority of our conversation that you've washed with interest in this could be say in the last five years crypto and blockchain are looking for the same thing. They're desperately trying to get the Fed to declare them store value. I don't follow the space nearly as closely anymore every time you hear blockchain here, shitty database. They also clearly recognized that some sort of government sanction is required for this to be what they all believe it can be the obvious one is Uber. Car shares this whole industry arose because we weren't enforcing laws around taxis and how they worked around employment. Demand contractor you look at Uber I don't see technological innovation or left unstuck logical innovation although there is some like the distributed dispatch technological innovation. But fundamentally that whole business that entire when I say that business multibillion dollar behemoth of business that it is the capital horde that it is is built around a use of independent contractors at a scale that has never been done before men that is built on on a legal issue. You see now ab five is out there in California and they're claiming that it's going to kill the business clearly laws matter. They would not have been able to build that business in the way that they did if they were required to employ the full time driver's. Got To build a very different business that was very favorable bolts who their capital because of that independent contractor relationship and interpretation that was at odds with the pre existing definition of what contractor was. Let's move on to your area of interest and operations specifically today in the cannabis space. I don't know that I've ever done a full episode on this topic I don't think. I have. So I'd love you to begin by maybe your origin story why you got interested imagining a lot of perceived opportunity is the potential for regulatory change but talk through your initial interest in them we'll get into everything you've learned since it's a story I. Think Lot of investors would recognize themselves I got interested in the space towards. The end of two, thousand, thirteen, I was teaching entrepreneurship. I was kicking around town doing strategy operations, work variety startups, and I was looking for what to do next and as part of that, I was kind of interesting getting back into investing but I didn't necessarily want to go back into venture. I. Wanted to broader mandates. I have always kind of felt allergic to the silencing of technology as its own sector was companies that put themselves up Technology Migrate You'RE RIGHT CG company that uses technology just like every other TV. Using technology and being technology to different things. So I was looking for something broader than that. 'cause I I love technology. I've been deep in it, but I see it as a tool to affect other things not as an end in itself and part of that process of pitching myself to funds was developing bitches on market places and market spaces than I. thought the funds invested into the spaces and I was really interested in were under banked and cannabis with. In Washington on the verge of legalizing, which they didn't January twenty fourteen and I kept in glass out of the room nobody was taking me seriously like I got a lot of stone jokes but I kept taking it really seriously I'm a big fan of the early days of venture back in like the Don Valentine days everything was unstructured. There are no clear deal terms. There's no standard sheets there was no anything just the lack of structure. Was the opportunity I'm like a big believer that once there's a vault guy something all of the real opportunity is gone. There's been evolved guide for venture for fifteen years. Now, there was no vault guide to cannabis is all brand new and was changing rapidly and that was really attractive and the fact nobody could have built up expertise in this already because it hadn't existed was a real attractive thing to me. So started looking at the space. I in a search vehicle format, we were thinking about it as a fund manager, which was my background in line with that was looking at different companies to invest in we're trying to be safe by investing more on the technology side trying to avoid plant touching operations dealing with all the legal complexities of touching the plants given state level laws was a big concern and a couple things happened is more or less all the same time I. We saw this race to potency going on with edibles wherever is trying to shove much THC as possible into the smallest container. Possible. We also made the decision that like, Hey, if we're going to be in cannabis, let's be in cannabis. Why are we nibbling around the edges? Let's take this full risk Michigan take a risk, just do it, and then the third thing that happened was my grandmother asked me for a pop Ronnie and those three things. All happened within a week of each other and what was really interesting with my grandmother is the she didn't want to get high. She just wanted to feel better and I couldn't offer her anything that would make her feel better had this one brown is hundred milligrams that cut him up into twenty pieces. I individual bag need half a morsel and wait two hours scared the hell out of her shoes never gonna try even offered her joint. And she was like, no, I'm not a marijuana user self identity was a big part of the. So we started looking at this as an opportunity and in terms of functional foods these are compounds that we know have effect. There's no question about it. Well, that's usually the biggest question with any new foods or supplement is, does it do anything in this obvious THC does something? How can you put it into formats that are mass acceptable that? Don't change people's identity and that are consistent enough that they can feel comfortable using it anytime during the day and that we can feel comfortable investing and building our brand against because we know that experience is going to be the same from day to day. That's we oriented ourselves very much as food company focused on cannabinoid rather than it cannabis company playing with food, and it's been like that ever since you said before we started recording that. In the early days and maybe still today this industry is filled with a lot of bullshitters I'd love to hear your take on sort of what the evolution has been like of the quality of the industry participants. Before we get into some of the kind of market sizing stuff which I find fascinating I don't want to denigrate the early participants in the industry. Anyway I don't think they were more full of ship than today's participants as participants are. But they are also full of Shit. It's not even intentional most of it is just. Ignorance or just arrogance gotten a lot of people who are like I'm well aware of how this market works. That's great. I've been here six years I've been studying everyday my wife and I don't even know that I know a thing about it yet good for you I'm proud of you. So in the early days had a lot of people who were renegades they were doing something that was quite strictly illegal when we. Joined the industry in twenty fourteen I like to joke that we were taking handcuff risk at that point we were but not nearly to the extent that people were a couple years before us, you had to really be comfortable operating without any sort of business controls operating fully cash don't worry about accounting just flying by the seat of your pants operating that business and I think when that all went legal a couple of things. Came pouring in and they looked at the marketplace and they treated the way they normally look at marketplace their new to let me see what the leaders are in like to invest money in them. Well. They forgot that it doesn't really work the largest players in an illegal market who have been given. The color of law are still the same people they were before they were given the color of law. They just were people who are willing to take risks that nobody else was willing to take criminal risks and nobody else's only Dick. Those are not generally the traits associated with building a responsible business that has cost controls, good accounting practices, governance, good project management but they were characteristics of the early markets. It was really interesting early days back at the beginning of twenty fourteen went to what was. Then probably like the world's largest marijuana conference, which was held at the Airport Holiday Inn Express Logan Airport in Boston and it was me and a room with thirty is fifteen of them were stoned out of their mind talking about the great shatter and flower that they were growing another five of them were lawyers and doctors understood what this could do and we're really interested, and then the rest of them were real estate guys who owned a bunch of warehouses that really wanted to get grows in them. So they get that really good cannabis IRA and everyone was shooting for in those early days. It's obviously changed dramatically I think up until last year at least or up until this year, he had a lot of people who still thought. This was all just going to be easy I graduated from Grad School rain to the teeth the great recession two, thousand, nine, I had to advanced degrees and no work experience. So I got a very clear taste of what things look like in a down market and I think there are a lot of people in this industry now, who have no conception of what a down market is at the whole promise of marijuana and imagination that is just suddenly going to legal and everything is GonNa Change I. Now these things are complex. The retail system is complex, the distribution system complex, the production systems all have to be brought up individually. There is a lot of people up in the early days who thought they could be I and be the Warren Buffett of we'd never mind none of them even knew what Warren Buffett did they just going to integrate everything I'm going to take peace from everything and it's going to be fantastic. Yeah. But then you never do anything well, and everything is expensive and none of the accounting actually works and what if the market changes? It's just There are a lot of these hopes and dreams. The didn't bare. Any relationship to how the world has ever worked in reality. I would love to walk through the industry a little bit for the initiated myself included I think of as sort of supply chain and value chain. What is sort of the end to end industry look like what are the major stops along the way, and then we'll get into caliber and stillwater. There's two things we got to differentiate. One is the CD industry versus the teach industry. Those are wholly different industries with. Wholly, different infrastructures and wholly different regulatory structures. Let's start talking about the THC industry because that's the one that runs tried to nationalize you though it is federally illegal and when you look at the THC industry, you're really looking at fifty different industries. Each state has its own set of laws and has its own market structures. Someday, there is just going to be an absolute glut of economic research papers on the natural experiments. Of, new markets with different market structures in the context of marijuana, which products they create in which behaviors they incentivize. So I talked to Colorado directly in a couple of other but in Colorado at least there's a three tiered system that's based on the same model. As alcohol a cultivators you've got processors and you've got retail. There's a couple of other that come up. But broadly speaking, you've got tears, you got the. People grow the pot. You got the people, extract the pot and make the products. Then you've got the people who sell it there is no like distribution infrastructure. There is no co-manufacturing construction. This was a big learning for us in the early days when we first came to Colorado and said, we WANNA, launch microdots t product we talked to people who are in CPG and they were like, Oh, you've gotta go find yourself. Well. Come in aren't legal allowed to manufacture marijuana in Colorado. To Go and get licensed to be marijuana manufacturer, and you can't manufacture anything else to get that license you have to attach to real estate well, that real estate's based on whatever the city ordinances are might have to be thousand feet back from. Imaginable, whether it's schoolyard to halfway house to open space that might one day be zoned residential. Then you have to find a building that doesn't have a bank note on it because at the bank has a mortgage on it, they're gonNA veto the lease. So you've gotta find a wholly-owned building that meets all the setbacks and is in a city or county too. Narrowly state that legalizes it's the state that allows for legal reasons, cities and counties that legalize. So you've gotta find it in a city or county that has legalized has rules that you can actually live with. So that's all part of getting the license huge. Then you've got to start producing your stuff. From the beginning we do not want to cultivate, we looked at cultivation as a commodity you do really well in the early days when the prices are high demand is high supplies low and everyone will just buy out anything on the shelves experts date on that markets mature, and you could make a lot of money as a retailer but you also. have to understand the most customers in this market are either tourists are highly price elastic. So it's really hard market to make that in. We were more interesting brandon goods because we felt like it was going to be much more generalize -able beyond one states we felt like that was really the linchpin between what we viewed raw-material just they can avenue eight. And a finished good product that actually had a consistent experience around it and really been the locus of our investment already ever since as just understanding how to qualify a good cabinet. What does that actually mean the raw material? These are things we've got a ton of food scientists now offer major companies and like to say they're very good at qualifying agricultural. Materials, they have learned how to do that in the large food and cannabis has its quirks. Fundamentally you're qualifying an agricultural commodity trying to convert it into something that is useful for processing, and then you're trying to actually manufacture it, and there's a really interesting side conversation to be had about things that held the cannabis industry back. One of them is the. US over the course of the last number of decades has evolved to a CO manufacturing infrastructure for consumer goods. So the same it's sort of a store rates. Aws has with technology where you used to have to build everything soup to nuts, manufacturer all yourself, and then the came these people who built the manufacturing infrastructure and you could rent time on. Their lines. So you didn't have to investments well, all the equipment that they had to rent time on was national scale even if the state allowed you to work with them, turning on their lines would produce ten times more inventory than you could ever sell. So there was this mismatch as an aside beyond that to the equipment manufacturers themselves stopped manufacturing small-scale. Equipment it was really hard to just find stuff that could be used in a single state environment. So there was just a lot of complexities to be worked out in this market for it's actually function because everyone was trying to assume like, okay. What I see in CG that's GonNa work in THC, it's like well now there's fifteen reasons why that structure. Doesn't work here. All of the tricks that you've got you've now got to figure out new tricks, none of those work any other interesting backstory or timeline points just in terms of y took. So long for this to happen, the you think are important antecedents took on where we sit today whether that's laws regulatory wars, kind of the social stigma of it. There's scientific excuse for marijuana have been sitting around schedule one for as long as it was this was known when the schedules I came out. There was Schaefer Commission report that immediately recommended rescheduling the Nixon Administration put in a drawer in the early laws all the way back to the stamp, Act Tax Act it was racism against Mexican immigrants the word marijuana prior to the marijuana tax act cannabis tincture marijuana tincture was. One of the top three most used drugs in the country you can go back to the US Pharmacopoeia and find lots of tinctures there. You can find from Bayer Cannabis tincture in them, and then it was decided that this was associated with unwanted Mexican immigrants, and therefore we need to illegalize as much as possible. Then you've got coming up on the controlled Substances Act in the late seventies, there was an interview with. AIDS he stood up admitted we couldn't criminalize being black. We couldn't criminalize being anti ward, but we could criminalize the one thing that they had in common, which is a love of marijuana and that part on crime and tough on crime mentality the racist elements, all of that just hung around for a long time, and then you just had this cohort issue where you've got. A whole generation of political leaders who still believe this is a political third rail despite the fact that it's got sixty seven percent approval among the population large and even fifty one percent approval among Republicans it's just one of the strongest mental models cohort replacement. Some things don't shift until the people who are holding them back are gone and I think this fits that bill very. It's fascinating and so screwed up in. So many ways when you really dive into the history here, it's this sequence of bizarre events that lead to a very large macro outcome. So appreciate those little touch points there. I. Think definitely something for people to go look because it's hard to believe some of this stuff until you read the laws, it's hard to believe it. It's also. It's hard to conceptualize. The concept of a drug is a mental frame and the concept of new illegal drug is a mental frame can't tell you how many conversations I had more in the early days of this company where people be like well, I don't do drugs I'm like you got a nice wine cellar over there man well, no, that's not really a drug I'm like some nice prescription opioids on your cabinet. Well, that's not really my doctor prescribed. I'm like your coffee really enjoying that caffeine right now. These are all trucks they all augment physiology. The question is really what is the safety profile? What is the effect marijuana THC? These are fundamentally no more or less dangerous than caffeine it's interesting to compare how caffeine has been regulated over time versus how marijuana has been regulated over time visit is just a very natural counterfactual. That is fascinating about what is accepted, what is rejected, and what that does to two things that have a very similar safety profile. If anything marijuana safety profile THC safety profile is better than Caffeine's. Raises an interesting question of degree. So I think the impact of smoking a joint or something at least in my experience a little bit more impactful than a cup of coffee. But I think one of the things you've learned is that ethic you mentioned understanding the actual molecule better and Sorta dosing and what that range might do to people say a bit about how that figures into the business plan the products answer to how you build the brand. I basically throw out almost all research done before twenty sixteen throughout all research done around SM- inhalable marijuana because we just don't know all joints are not the same. Every joint is different. Every person is different. The amount that you're actually consuming is unknown edibles are actually started our first opportunity to control that inputs and reduce the variable there to something that what came out on the other end was actually observable and useful. We do a lot of work at our company with some academic partners on studying the pharmacokinetics of our products. We WanNa know how much THC is actually absorbed into. The bloodstream in different formats, how much CBD's actually gets into your body? How much do you take a pill but how much shows up in your blood and it turns out that everybody is different it's wild person person variance in terms of who absorbs what and how much even in waterside overseas water insoluble formats is crazy. Some people just can't get high some people don't absorb CBD other people can only get high through edibles which absorbed through different pathways than inhalable inhales, and this is all great science that should have been done thirty years ago, but has been delayed until now. So look. At a lot of the old studies, I'm just like I don't know what to draw of that is because you've there's a question of magnitude I think it's almost criminal to ever talk about direction of effect without talking about magnitude of effect, and this is in pretty much any circumstance. There are absolutely risks with THC never going to play that down but the magnitude of those risks have been wildly overblown and we are learning more and more about that. especially different dose levels thc kind of three different drugs want a sub five milligram dose for most people it's like a light and. The Olympic perfectly fine people can function operate no problem whatsoever five to ten or five to fifteen. You're starting to get real stones. You're getting high for most people although changes again, like different people have different tunnels at least with thc once you start getting above fifty, it's a psychedelic experience. Almost it's not one that most people care repeats but the for you can really start discussing what's the effect of marijuana? The question has as many multitudes. What's the effect of computers? There's a lot of nuances be baked into their before you can start answering that question with any sort of specificity that's. What's the most interesting difference between the CBD Industry in the industry? What are the relative sizes I could even wager close guests as to how revenue basis or something what the difference between the two US I've seen good numbers the legal thc industry I think sitting like ten to twenty billion range today. The illegal industry is sitting in the sixty to seventy billion dollar range for THC. In MRS IN AMERICA CD I've seen estimates that this year you're talking like two to four billion I. Think are probably a little bit high it's really hard to tell CBD has just unregulated THC is actually more regulated in CBD right now thc like, yeah, the FDA won't. Touch it. But at least the states are paying attention to it before products on the shelves in well-regulated states like Colorado it has to go through cannabinoid testing, which is imperfect science that is developing but at least it's something. So you at least know what you are taking to a greater degree than you used to. CBD. Now there's none of that companies are self-regulating but self-regulation isn't a thing self-regulation is just asking for trouble. There's no incentive to actually abide by the rules when I lobby on this issue I, keep saying the returns I'm lying or far greater right now than the returns on doing the right thing and that's a regulatory fault that is. Something that regulators can change the answers by putting in place regulation. How much do you think is left to be unlocked in on what timeline? So it sounds. So it's still early days when I asked, what are the top three variables that matter for the future here you said regulation regulation regulation. So what does that mean and look like almost all of it is left to be locked when you think about like I said, the THC market right now it's fifty individual states that operate all lines soups and not supply chains more or less the national industrial food supplement and beverage supply. Shane is in the US is probably the most robust in the world. The. Marijuana supply chain looks nothing like that and could benefit holy from that. This is to scale structure that has been put in place yet there's a breadth of use that has been put in place yet. There's no reason why a lot of products can have one to two milligrams of THC as not a intoxicating dotes there's no reason to treat. That's the way that we do the ten milligrams stuff. Yeah. That should be treated like alcohol. That's great. It should be I, think the CBI we got we know so little we know that it has bioactive fact we know that I mean it was proved as prescription drug it clearly as bioactive effects got good. Properties, it's God's good anti anxiety properties, good anti inflammation properties, but we don't know at what levels it has those in four which people in for what conditions this sort of thing that only really comes through research and experience and just putting the markets and structuring the market so that you can continue to collect good data especially as regulator, and so you can make good decisions and how to build for this forty. CD. The tinctures that are the most popular part of the CB world-renowned. CAD Onepointoh. Was All these pictures that would go everywhere well. The best research we have suggest those things are six percent bioavailable, ninety, four percent of what you consume is getting excreted out without entering your bloodstream. It's one of the people don't have a good experience that product it's also basically intermediate good nobody runs out and says, you know my favorite thing in the world is to do is to drop raw crude oil on my tongue with an eyedropper that's not a consumer product. There's also sets of claims that have to be developed around but that takes time in research once you get past the teach the canals in general this is a category of ingredients think people make. Claims when they say one hundred and thirteen identified cannabinoid all have bioactive the fact yet maybe to some degree, but the real question is going to be which ones of those can be produced in an economically efficient way and brought to market with a safety profile that matches what we as a society are comfortable with and sold for profit. The answer to all of that is probably going to be not I think I'd be happy with three to five additional. Follow on can happen in the next decade that would come up. There is a set of materials that are the most fascinating bioactive that anybody on my team has come across I've got people who spent the last twenty five years at eminent Mars, working their functional ingredients, divisions, and wave and horizon organic. These are food scientists who have been paying attention to neutral to bioactive ingredient functional ingredients. This is the most exciting space of new science, any of them ever seen. Can you talk a bit about the kind of business and investing angles here? So one interesting question is does some of the opportunity exists because it's so fragmented and the big brands big CPG brands can't deploy their scale and their marketing advantage to just go win the space right now, talk about that transition period and sort of where you think the pockets of potential value are for entrepreneurs and investors. So there's two things that I think are holding back. The big brands one is you're right federally illegality is holding the back anybody who has existing. Business Line to protect can't afford to take the risk of operating this. We've said from the beginning that one of our big benefits is that coke isn't sold on the same shelves as we are or not solving some shells as they are sucks that we can't sell on their shelves, but it's great that they can't sell ours dispensaries are unique environment aubrey much more like jewelry stores than CVs bud tenders drive seventy percent of the sales of new product sales because people come in and they know they want experience, they don't know which product to get. So, this is all opportunity that is available because the big players aren't coming able to spend time on so that you can succeed at a small scale and really make it work. The other thing is the lack of federal legality just cuts all the advantages out from those big players. Those guys have all built up infrastructures that are designed to serve massive markets. If you told, Coke, I need you to produce enough soda to serve one person a day. They're like, great. We do that five times a day. No problem. If I might great I need you to produce enough coke to serve hundred thousand people there like Shit. I don't know that I've equipment I can turn on and turn off without losing all my money. That's too large scale they also don't Know like that thing that I want produce what's the right formula for it? How do you get to the right formula? You have to start small and work your way up companies not that I think that has been a real advantage to the marketplace just all of the things that make it hard are the things that keep coke and Pepsi out in things that keep innovation and small operators and opportunity in at some point they're going to come in and that'll be a different. World but in the meantime is long as you have the right understanding of what the opportunity said is, which has to take into account with the demand side looks like where you can ship to truly what the market is and you build your production platform to match that. Then you've gotta opportunity if you over build relative the opportunity, you could get into trouble real real quick. What do you think is the competitive frontier for your businesses consumer brands versus others? Is it equality is? The brand itself is it relationships with bud tenders never heard that term that's hilarious. What is the competitive frontier? Where will this battle be won or lost again it depends on timing. It's very easy for a lot of investors who've gotten used just investing DDC brands on Instagram is friend of my calls at like Qvc for millennials where they just have platforms they spin up a brand, slap it onto a commodity product and make some money off facebook ads. No other profitable vomited lives. We're not there yet a brand without consistency is just a logo. You actually have to produce a consistent product and that is actually really hard specialize in term can avenue it's water soluble. The reason why we do that so that they'd be placed into water based food systems and as well. So low fat food systems and we've also discovered that there is a much better absorption profile. So people actually get what they have bought into their. Bloodstream to do that, consistently, it's taken years of our investment and I think when people go to fast with too much money they go in the wrong direction I. Think you saw this with constellation had this whole thing when canvas two point Oh came down where they're like, oh, like can liners the aluminum can liners were t h c? So we have to delay launch well yeah. That's because you treated a two million dollar problem like two. Billion dollar problem that was a solved problem. Already, the CAN liners and it's solvable if you have a small line and good food scientists who can operate flexibly. But again, there's new science here. What is the shelf stability working in acid versus base will abass breakdown CD? The answer is, yes. Do you need a high s environment for it to actually live in? How long does that see stick around does degrade below the label claim these Are All like the structured parts of the food supplement supply chain. It has to be verified before they can be scaled and I think a lot of people were just especially if you're trying to do brands, you want to go straight to scale because you want the cheapest way to get their word and infrastructure phase in this industry you've got to be in it for that. You've got understand what you're getting into some day will brands went. In when you've commodity infrastructure that everybody has access to that's the only way to differentiate. But today quality and capabilities are how I think you differentiate yourselves. You actually have to build the platforms on which you operate. You don't get to go out to just rent somebody else's. What are your thoughts on sort of where this all goes from here? So if the first part of this was the handcuff risk, the second part is sort of the state by state period of time, and maybe the third piece is some sort of federal unifying. What is it time for something like that and when will we look back on this and just think was a crazy period of transition. So on Thc I think you could see a lot of movements next year depending on the outcome the election obviously marijuana reform in social justice reform and criminal justice reform all tied very closely and for many obvious and deserve reasons CBD, you had Senate Majority Leader McConnell legalizing the production Of Hemp at the end of the twentieth Farmville by it's FDA has been slow to actually accept responsibility for the derivatives of Hemp that legalize namely CB FDA's claim to three to five year time line I. Think it's wild for a food public health regulator to just ignore a market where twenty to forty million people a day are consuming a product totally unregulated because they don't have enough information now you regulate the market. Can you improve regulations over time? You don't look for perfect in the meantime consumers to twist in the wind. So that goes back to my point of like you need regulators who want to regulate and I don't think we have that right now. I, think hopefully, we will have that by this time next year and if you have regulators who are dedicated to. The concept of public health who are dedicated to imposing the will of Congress and enshrining that's in administrative policy. You could have CB regulation. Next year, you could clear up the banking issues around THC next year you can get thc probably starting decriminalization, but heading towards legalization with next twenty, four months. These are all things that could have been set any time in. The last four years. But one thing that I do believe is if thc and CD of manage to make this much progress throughout the administration's attorney general sessions and bill bar the two most anti marijuana people I could imagine God. I can only imagine what happens when there's somebody who's making the life's work to destroy it so we could be looking back on. This three years from now I think with wonder I kind of hope that the next president who every might be would embrace marijuana in a similar way to how President Obama embraced gay marriage maybe was circumspect that the election but then he got it across the finish line once he was in office and I think that's totally implausible analogy that can happen here. Can. You walk us through the business itself in sort of what it looks like in terms of almost like an income statement walk through what kind gross margins are we talking in a business like this? How to sales and marketing figure in what are other notable key aspects of business that determine its long-term kind of margin potential again, it's different each stage, the supply chain. So I can really only speak to my point as a products manufacturer. The margins are quite good. You're talking thirty to forty percent even a-, and the key thing is we don't have a huge salesforce only got three, hundred thirty stores to sell to. We got a salesforce three. This is on our THC business side. So that's still water brands are THC business, it operates. Serve three hundred sixty dispensaries covering a population of around eight million total population state population around million we self distribute to them through a mix of couriers and our sales people directly dropping off. There's not a lot of advertising to be done. So I don't think people fully appreciate the Google and facebook won't take money from CD or THC companies. If you've seen those ads than they were placed their against public policy and usually through some sort of work around that was probably enabled by the sales team at those. Companies, but it's frowned upon by the legal team. So it's not like you can spend your burn a hole north performance marketing. Even if you wanted to, I mean the way you do it is you have to, if you want put an ad on Instagram I, you have to go out and buy like an affiliate's placements and get an article written on some third party sites, and then you have to have them by an ad against that article that links to your website. The transaction costs neoclassical economic sensor just massive. In the space and yet still thirty five percents been. So wanting a lot, we really pay a lot of attention to operational control. We pay a lot of attention to emergency pay a lot of attention to good process because we believe that if we can learn to function in an environment as fucked up as this, the headwinds are only receding. So it's just removing from advanced level as we get towards clear federally galaxy, you're retreating towards and more of an easy mode men no play just more and more opportunities. Open up for us. But for now, you're just facing problems everywhere you look everything takes five times longer if not ten times longer, it takes three vendors to find one who can do the job. Each one of those vendors takes two months to figure out what they know anything. It is a blanket rule in myspace space for my staff. Don't believe people when they tell you things it was a blanket rule for me as an investor, but it's especially a blanket rule for me here and it's not because people are. Dying I think people are just they're optimism they can't distinguish between optimism sales and lying. So as seen like rafter after people come through with just huge plans that never made any sense never materialized. Thank you back to that founding story I'll of the POT Brownie story as to the origin insider something what after that would you classify sort of the first big break for the business? So if you've had any step change improvement since the prospects of the business, what was the first big break that stands out in your memory? After we decided to become a food company, we wanted to produce a product of my grandmother ninety year old seniors and the product came up with is called stillwater. T was tune half milligrams of THC, and it was explicitly designed not to get you stone. It was supposed to replicate the feeling you'd. Get from taking three deep breaths and have of that last for a couple of hours and we went out to sell US dispensaries and were met with a collective T.F. We had one by tender is like did I take three hundred milligrams for breakfast? Why are you pitching me a two and a half milligram product to which the responses I man you've gotta problem but second this product isn't for you. This product is for other people some would get it. We would get people would give it to their mom but tenders and her mom or the grandmother would love it, and then they would become real advocates for it it. Never, really took off and it turned out because you have to account for what your retail channel is and the people walking into dispensaries just weren't that interested in the low dose products we couldn't market to try and bring in more people and the dispensers themselves and really have much interest in going outside that core customer base and they were making money and they didn't do any work. Everybody loves making money off studio work. So we couldn't get the target customer that we built this product around to even get in front of us to even try to make the sale and that was a big learning for us. It's sort. Of like you can't fight the Fed you can come in with the mark in, want to say have all these big ideas for how things should work? Why aren't these products merchandised? Why are they all behind glass? Why am I listening to a bud tender as if he's a pharmacist, why can't we advertise talk about the things that we're doing but then there's like the market as it is and you've got to figure out a way to sell into that. Fortunately, we had on the back end. Nice little innovation story where to produce the water soluble component of the teas. We were basically creating these crepes of slurry like an. New Type feeling texture, and then breaking them up by hand, and we were dumping the granules into t sticks. T stick was our form factor. It looks like a stick pack with of perforations functions a teabag, but is part of that we had to have granules of a certain size. So all the grain was smaller, the fines we're basically throwing out. Well, our yield was turning out to be like fifty percent of our THC which are core input there and That was fine with a a half milligram product. But when we realized we had introduced a product that would get bud tenders excited. So we made a ten milligram t we realized that man you can't get by with fifty percent yield on the ten milligram product just getting destroyed on margin. So we looked at a couple different things we could do whether we could try and find a different way to gripe ultimately decided was, hey, this powder parts the water soluble. Piece was really the most interesting piece when we package that up into packets and sell it as done product that became ripple ripple is like a little stick pack odorless liable flavourless clean label, soluble thc. CD mixes drop straight into a beverage and dissolves instantly, and that was the product that came out of those two things to go. The need for product would get excited the need for a process or a use of the waste so that it didn't destroy margins. And suddenly that what was before waste became our growth engine that was the product that took off everyone got really excited about eighty that you can make anything an edible and then they got really sight even further because we started discovering that people are giving these anecdotal reports that they were getting high faster with ripple than they would when they were taking other edibles and we believe them but we couldn't prove it until we went out and actually did the studies. What a fascinating turn of events really cool story to look back on the book and our conversation with another couple of questions just bigger picture kind of harkening. Back to your background as an investor first and then wrap up. So my first question is you mentioned studying under Tim Wu what specifically you learned from Tim. What made him special what you take away from your time learning from him I don't want to oversell my relationship with him. I don't think he would know me from Adam at this point, but he did have the best class I took and he was my major writing professor. But the big thing from him was just that market structures matter. That was what he was really talking about back. Then I think it's still what he's talking about today. These things don't just exist vacuum markets don't come out of a vacuum they're not naturally occurring. There's nothing natural about them. They are created by man therefore, they need to be created with intention if you hope to get out of them what you expect. You also mentioned that you're intrigued by Jim China's idea that this is sort of a golden era for fraud I'd love to hear why that idea is interesting to you and kind of what it means to you. That just feels like sort of violently true. At this point, there is absolutely no penalty for lying bullshitting. At this point, we are rewarding the bullshitters from top to bottom and. That's fine I guess I think there is a belief that you need founders who almost bullshit themselves to create companies out of nothing. But I think that that's a form of idolatry that I think is just straight up wrong. There's absolutely no reason founders of not different from other people may be more tolerant of uncertainty. Some of them are good businessmen. Some of them are bad business people. They are also humans. They are leaders of humans and I think actually putting together an organization where everybody is treated as a human where everybody is not asked to participate in a cult where they're not asked to put the company over themselves where they just like this a job I need you to be good. At it and then I need you to go home and enjoy your family. That's a much healthier way of doing business and I don't think you would see any reduction in good in innovation that actually has societal benefits off of that if anything you'd see the exact opposite I think most innovation these days is geared towards things that can really raise the value of equity but not necessarily be standard of living of all the employees within the company. Yeah I hate this notion that founders are aliens who are just really good at some sort of thing most of the time they're actually atrocious human beings who are just being carried by competent people within their organization while they're being treated like children internally. If you had to re enter that world and be backing founders actively, how do you avoid that problem? What would your advice be to investors who are primarily making bets on people to avoid that type of person? So you have to structure its Jerry and I talk about this all the time and I am fully on board with him that we're both on board with Connor and Gary King that there's no such thing as intuitive investing when it comes to people, those are complex open systems. If you tell yourself, I just like the cut of his JIB, they turn out to be great. That's look good for you. That was not something that is repeatable. But what you can do is you can create structures decision making structures that try and look for land mines we those out you can try and raise the floor of whoever you hire. Don't think it's possible. To hire perfect person what perfect means different in the context of an organization, a team time. But I do think you can at least construct a hiring process to probe for things like integrity to probe for things like a willingness to play games at the truth to probe for just the difference between somebody who can describe things for somebody who can actually do things I think you focus on those and just mart has this great smart hiring thing yeah. The book is fine. His PhD thesis as much more interesting about how you actually setup decision structures for unstructured decisions. My best resource for this something, I think a lot about two is the CIA. As internal, library on making structure decision making in unstructured situations. As good as it gets the you think about what an investor is doing. They are trying to predict inherently unpredictable complex system, which is itself impossible to predict a point out gum but you can at least start predicting ranges of outcomes if you structure thinking well, and you can avoid falling in love with a specific outcome, given that the same facts might also align with a multitude of other. Outcomes. These are just things that I think are really important. I also think it's super important. Always play the counterfactual 's anytime anybody I'm mateen is like when you guys did this, that was so smart as like, yeah, that was smart but let me tell you about the three other things we wanted to do before we landed on that one that was stupid that could have worked and we could have been going in a totally different direction and tell the. Story about you just heard the story about what happened with ripple that story could have gone in a bunch of different directions. We get a double down on low dose DECI- we spend more money on performance marketing maybe that would have worked I can't say that it would but I think it's really dangerous to get into the mindset. It was always going to be this way and it was always going to be this way because I'm so good bullshit I. Don't care how good you are. The world is complex. Luck is massive massive factor. The best thing that you can do is put yourself in a position to have better larger options than you had before as long as you keep on doing that eventually, you're gonNA, find the option that you can really lean into at say that a lot with this company, this company is large lever that I ever hope to hold and it got that way because we just. Start with very small lever and kept putting ourselves in a position to God and find things to add onto that lever. We couldn't pick exactly which one was going to be the thing but at least we had the opportunity to go after them in the Cannabis Bay specifically what do you not understand well, today that you wish you did cultivation is fascinating to me I. Know I don't understand it. I. Know Enough of it to know that it's complicated I. Think that everywhere you look in the cannabis supply chain it's easy for to look simple especially when you start scaling it up, things get very variant very quickly just because you understand something the way it operates at one scale doesn't imply that you understand how will operated another scale. That's one that is always scary news just trying to understand what's the next model that's going to work for thinking about this industry. I knew a guy wants who got his PhD. In philosophy of friction and he described it to me as the way that friction works at a molecular level is different than the way it works at an inch levels different. The way it works at a mile level. The philosophy is Wendy. You Change Your model for what works something that has describes the molecular level, and now you've got somebody that describes step up if you try and take the molecular model and apply it to the inch model you're not. GonNa get anything predictive and the models I have for marijuana. Are they just Colorado? Specific? We're GONNA find out soon we're going into Michigan next year is this as unique of the market as I believe it to be or are there lessons this market that are transferable to other states each state truly unique from top to bottom and everything has to be relearn. We don't know yet and that's both scary and wildly exciting. That's what keeps a new and fun. Well Justin I've learned a ton today I like I really didn't know anything about the space coming in and now do so I really appreciate your time. My closing question for everybody is to ask for the kindest thing that anyone's ever done for them. I will tell you at least in my professional career. kindest thing that anyone has ever done in my professional career was Roger paying me out of his own pockets to be an intern it I A and they were friends and family company which got me out of a job in San Francisco that I hated, which got me back to new. York with my wife or at that point my girlfriend now wife which led to me having a kid a dog in a company and all just because he was willing to expend not much money to get somebody who he thought was smart and could help the fund. Fantastic could easily bands but he did it and man and my grateful it was kind. Fantastic. Well, Justin thanks again for your time today I've learned a ton and I hope to send such. Thank you appreciate it. This episode was brought to you by Microsoft, for startups Microsoft for startups global program dedicated to helping enterprise ready BB startups successfully scaled their companies. In our five part miniseries. We were talking to Evan Riser CEO, of Admiral Security about his experience with Microsoft startups. In this week's episode with Evan. Talk. About. Technology. Shifts and picking a cloud provider. What has changed about companies sort of clouded option I would count us and our business in the same category of like slowly, and then suddenly you know we had to adopt this sort of thing. So maybe just describe what exactly because it sounds like a technology platform shift that often makes new companies possible. What exactly has changed and wise a company like yours position. Well, for that yet I think two things one is just how enterprises work. Then the second is, what are the new platforms that allow small teams do a lot with very little. So they in former category like the the general shift is. Enterprises it stack moving into the cloud and the prevalence of migratory five is just an example of that. So that enables all this it and security deeds be available in the crowd and therefore accessible Api's, and so we wanted to build our product ten years ago would need a fundamentally different architecture that wouldn't allow us to get as much data at the same level of detail in deploys quickly and I think with the with the rise of infrastructure and cloud computing, and even more specifically some of the higher level services like azure cognitive services. Those are tools that allow relatively small engineering science team to go build. These world glass enterprise ready applications you very quickly. So you just started in two, thousand, eighteen. So you're you're young company even though you're moving quickly I'm curious what the experience was like at the beginning as you thought about what tools to deploy this is one of the more interesting things for me. Now, because the toolkit available to founders say eight years ago is very different from what's available today you can do a lot less building of commodities stuff or stop it's not your core competency. So how did you think about that? How did you address the problem of what stack of Third Party partners are we? Going to use to build this company on top of we arguments, mistakes, Some areas were very thoughtful wants for us. Thoughtful when we started right we knew just like the speed to market a was going to be very important for us. So we started off by just using the or familiar with right. We didn't do Lotteries Urs WanNA areas, one example inside cotton infrastructure when it to things like cloud infrastructure, it's not really just a technologist it's really a business decision and the reasons why we decide to invest on Azure I think this to on the technology side we had to have the most secure. Of Privacy Centric Clapham to bill on top. Of. The the second thing is clearly for a business and we the technology platform that will need lots to spend more time focusing on customer problems not on rebuilding commodity technology. So being able to use higher level services like AI and machine learning computer vision getting that out of the box just allows it up to do a lot more faster. Of course, I, realize the irony of me being a enterprise technology CEO saying it wasn't a technologist vision but I really think the reason we ultimately decide. To invest in the azure platform was really around some of the the business benefits glide came down to just what is most valuable to the company for companies like us we currently work with maybe three or four percents abortion five hundred. So the biggest challenge for us as a Harris, the other ninety, five percents, we wanted to reduce the cost required rush to go and market ends acquire customers into their scrape programs like the Azure co-ceo program, which enables Microsoft sellers to go sellers from Russia. and. Help with us to help solve customer problems. I think the other thing that was really important on the business side was we wanted to increase our success with customers by lining their strategy. So a lot of CIO today are interested in consolidating architecture into the Microsoft ecosystem they want fewer and fewer point solutions independent and they want one interconnected ecosystem that that works well. So the ability to enable our customers too busy investment microsystem to buyer solution gets as your consumption credits as part of. That to reward them for their Microsoft ecosystem investment. That was another key piece. Big thing for us is that we realized that conner infrastructure was much more businesses and in the past I would have offloaded that to maybe the engineering team and had them kind of side. But for us, we brought to the board and he said Hey we think that all in this actually more important for the business, we get a lot of benefits for both the company and for our customers by investing Microsoft overall. To find more episodes or sign up for our weekly summary visit investor field guide dot com. Thanks for listening to founders field, Guy.

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Of course, they sat rocky so good through our past the core. Yearly musical view of two thousand eighteen if you haven't listened to that that came out over the holidays, you need it's two episodes ago, I believe or three episodes ago, and then the last week's episode is the character episode. We're getting great feedback on that doing go. Blooms went over beautifully. It is really two of our favorite episodes that we get to do every year the music and the characters and I'm so happy to present that to you happy two thousand nineteen. I hope you guys are doing. Okay. I hope the government shutdown isn't affecting the people that we have here. And I hope it ends soon. Yes. Let's turn the page before we do. We gotta speak about what is sort of the final sporting event of two thousand eighteen in the end it falls in two thousand nineteen. And that is the college football championship the championship game. Once again, here, we were with the same two players in a game that is supposed to in my opinion, rotate other teams and give new teams hope I think that's you know, one of the reasons why the NFL has been so exciting this year is because there are teams that haven't been in the position of being teams that you know, are drawing buys and winning divisions. You know, obviously the patriots. They're obviously the saints of there. But you got teams like the Rams who three or four years ago were terrible jams. Like the chargers who haven't been making the playoff teams like the chiefs. So teams like the Browns have hope again. And a lot of teams that we aren't used to seeing are making their way into the postseason, and that didn't feel like that that doesn't feel like that's ever gonna happen in college football. I think that's part of the disappointment. That's why this year Randy ticket sales. The prices of tickets two thousand. Dollars less than what it was last year. When at least there was a new team in the mix. When was the lowest rated national championship game since two thousand twelve that is that's not good. And and it just is showing you what I think is like the Yukon women's basketball affect you get they're the ones who collect all the best athletes, and they're the ones who get all the five star recruits. It feels like we just did this take about college basketball. Well, yeah, we're doing it about college football because I can tell you right now that Alabama's gonna be great next year. Two is coming back. He has to Lampson is going to be unbelievable. They return like nineteen guys. So who's gonna stop Clinton Clemson in the ACC? They basically have a cake walk through. They're not going to get be Lorna status. Bad Florida state is down. Louisville is they're not going to get Louisville's in the big east, but they're not going to get beat. They are not going to get beat. So what you wind up. Having is. You're gonna have if Alabama loses just one game. There's a big east for football. Maybe if Alabama loses one game next year, they'll still pass the quote, unquote, I tests because they. Have all five star athletes at every single position yet. They're gonna lose a bunch of guys. They definitely will this year. They always do but five star guys are there behind the five star Gators and behind those five-star guys another other five-star guys they recruit running backs by telling them, you know, what you're not gonna play a lot. And that's a great thing because we won't put too much run on your tires. We won't ball out your tires. So that when you go to the NFL, you'll be fresh. That's our way to sell you that you're going to actually get to the NFL because we'll show enough of you for people to see the potential, but we're not going to run you into the ground. And so again, there's just no stopping this. So when people say we're going to expand eight teams or even sixteen mucus spanned sixty four teams, guess what? Guess who's going to still be ended at the in these two teams? That's it. And so is that good for college football say it's terrible. And I don't know, you know, we scratch our heads and try to think of a way to fix it. I mean, obviously, it's his free market as it gets. You know, you you you if you can get kids to come to your school, and you can line up five stars behind five stars. Then you get to do it. But what we feel like is. Needs to happen. And this is not a socialist approach to college football. But it certainly would make it better. I think for a lot of people would be to limit the number of five star and four star athletes that a team can recruit ill force you to find other guys who are under the radar guys. Who could in fact at the time that you recruit them could develop into great players. It will give other teams at chance to grab some of these amazing players that are that are in their home states. It will give other teams a chance to rise up and be competitive. You know, obviously, the Alabama's the world aren't gonna root for something like this because they have a choke hold on on the system. But I think this is the kind of thing where we need to say, look, we're not and let it keep going the way it's going. These two teams will be in next year and most fans who aren't fans of I certainly know like, you know, casual college football fan will care about this game. Now, you'll start to see it continued to decline in decline in the Clinton. Also, you have the issue of. Regionalism within college football people in co like college football fans, the casual fan, you know, if you went to a school, and you care about that's going to a lot of people who are like that. Who are like, hey, I kinda pay attention to what the score is you'll know about your school. And that's about it fans who are a little more into college football will know about their school and their conference, which is essentially their region. All right. And then that's it. You have to be a crazy diehard college football junkie to even know about other schools in other conferences and know about lineups. No about things like that and care about the college football championship game. And if it's the same teams that have met the last four years three of the four years in the championship game. No one's gonna want to see that movie. Again, it's gonna start to diminish and so college football has to do something they have to if they wanna see their numbers continue to rise. And the answer isn't adding more teams, the playoff the answer in my opinion is sharing the wealth of some of these unreal, athletes and giving some other teams chance. To grab some of these guys then it becomes about coaching. It becomes about coaching decisions. It becomes about. How are you going to use these players, and how are you gonna find sort of these unknown guys and plug them into your system and coach them up? It doesn't mean I'm not saying, by the way, you each get one five star. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying what if you got four or five stars and ten four stars. What if the eight five stars that are sitting on the bench at Alabama were dispersed? Elsewhere. Yeah. Well, if they were sitting over there dispersed, they were starting in other places would that change the landscape a little bit with that make any different? It would certainly give some of these unbelievably talented guys and other schools, it would raise it would raise the interest level and the importance of a bunch of other schools in their own respective things. Which in my opinion is good for college football, and the whole absolutely you're going to get more fans involved when a team like North Carolina State has a couple of five star guys that are exciting. And making it exciting. When teams like Kentucky, you know. They had a good year this year. But if they had a couple of guys to back it up and to look forward to that's another thing that they'll make if schools like northwestern grabbed a couple of five star guys. You got a great coach. If you had a five star QB coming in there. Just the game. It changes the league changes the game and changes everything teams like Utah. Like what if Utah had a five star QB or five star running like, those are the kinds of things that I think would add more fans to the overall mix of college football instead of the same because if you great more parody in the little conferences and leagues themselves it creates more parody overall. And then we don't know what's going to happen in the end which right now, we're kind of not we kinda we're going on. All right. That's all right here for out, a fix it. It it may not be popular and people will say like, oh, you'll see kids tanking their star rating. But y you know, you want to be seen as if you get if there's value as being seen as a five star. They'll take I just think it'll force coaches instead of. Stockpiling a bunch of dudes to be smart about who they grab and to talk about fitting their system in force them to it might actually be better for them because they're not chasing every single guy. They're getting there guys. And then they're sitting there picking who they want. I love it comeback kid. Sharon van Etten love her. Sharon, bonnet. I think it's banned at and coming up after the break a great guy. We've had on this podcast before he's got an awesome show on comedy central corporate, Jake Wiseman joins us and then later on the show. We got a voicemail from Nick cage Lee, high off the hog living high off the hog of Golden Globe winner verse spider verse one the Golden Globe. And he's a big reason why God blessed we'll be back more beef and the cheese rat after. Hey, guys. Welcome back to the show. We always love having this guy because it is rare. When you have a comedian who is doing it in the comedy world, and in TV with a great show corporate, but someone who's also a sports fan someone who loves sports and views in the same way that I think we do in terms of its nice escape from a lot of the things that we do you kind of exit who you are you exit your life, and you become a fan of something. The that's beautiful that people can do that. We simply cannot Jake Wiseman. Welcome to the show. Hey, guys. I'm so happy to be here. And that's exactly how I feel about sports especially like the older you get your like can. I just watch something that I enjoy without thinking too much about it, except none of us can watch it without thinking too much about it now. And and if you're a fan like truly if you because I know we kind of talked about you reminded me your jets. No, you Mets Knicks Rangers. I love pain, right? Great. Like once great franchise, you can think back to the ninety s when a lot of that was cooking and actually doing fairly. Well, giants weren't that. Good back in the ninety dollars. Eighty giants were unbelievable. And in the middle. You pull the Super Bowl out of Tom Brady's hands which to to max, greenfield know, Mexican greenfield. You know, who he is great actor huge giants huge giants fan. He kinda says it in a way that we understand as cardinals fans like we can't get mad. I mean, we had one of the greatest World Series comebacks ever. You can't get mad. So he's like he kind of treats it like we're playing with house money. That's exactly how I feel. I mean, especially the fact that he li- won two Super Bowls while everyone kind of has always call them, the stupid brother and like made fun of. Yeah. And it's it's really funny because he has won two Super Bowls beating the patriots twice both in remarkable ways. Like, just what's funny about this is how I sort of look at it. The giants have won two Super Bowls in the last fifteen years and both times were so remarkable because the seasons were unbelievably unsatisfying, and then they somehow pulled together these runs so I was never able to really enjoy a great team. I was just able to enjoy to incredible upsets that are legendary legendary. But I've never really had the pleasure of enjoying a powerhouse. But it was fine. And I can't complain because some teams like the fucking chargers have never won a Super Bowl. I just enjoy and I can always go back and YouTube and watch the highlights that's always fun. It's might be in what's the David Tyree? Catch this David Tyree. David tyrel, David Tyree. Who mediated David Tyrell is a community David Terrell was a ride receiver. Michigan. Who later went to the bears retiree who caught it on his helmet. And then in the second the second win. There was. Mario Manningham catch. That was almost as amazing guy on the sideline. Right. He was also that that wasn't for a touchdown was for a first down down the state inbounds, and it was incredible indefinitely led to that. Dr. Yeah, it was awesome. But I mean, I definitely treasure this moments. And I know that I'd honestly for ten more years. I can't see anything you cannot. Yeah. What's insane? And I will say this is that you know, if you are able to look big picture, which is what most sports fans cannot do. Look big picture. You have one of the best building blocks of any team zoo on Barclay to it's pure joy. But saquon Barkley is at the beginning of a launch. I mean, I for the first time in my year in my life after playing fantasy football for like twelve years I wanna fantasy league. And I think I won because of saquon Barkley it runs. You get them in. I picked him first overall in the whole draft smart. And so, but people doubted, and they wondered in to me, you know. Yes. Baker Mayfield worked out. Was leaving. It was a great call should give you hope because we kind of talked a little bit. We talked in our first segment about the national championship game in. How it basically is like the army all American high school old timers game like who gives a shit, but Trevor Lawrence, I what if the giants tank you get Trevor law. Well, that's what I'm hoping. I wanted to play one more year. Bring him literally one through sixteen for him to be playing in a literal wheelchair. Catheter or just direct snap at two saquon every play and then please get Trevor Lawrence. Please get Trevor. Chinese trade up to get him traitor trade up to get him. Or what I say is. You know, a guy like Dwayne Haskins comes out this year. He is the number one quarterback they say in this draft. But he not the number one player is going to be picked, right? The giants might be able to trade up to get him. They have to trade up if they're at the sixth or fifth or sixth pick pretty damn good. You'll get Dwayne Haskins is going to be fantastic pro. Well, it's amazing. What's ask the giants? I mean, you lie has been way better than I actually thought he would be to be completely honest. Just if whose careers been pretty excellent it's been it's been above solid. And I think that that's kind of a hall of Famer though, this talk thing wasn't the on talent alone. He falls short of the hall of Famer. However, I desperately wanted to be in the hall of fame not as a giants fan because it would anger everyone. And I think that it will so infuriate everyone Naismith would be out of breath talking about him. But that's what I, but that's why I think Eli is my favorite because he's one hates him. Even though he is a wonderful guy. I'm sure he is undeniably good. He never says anything wrong both times he won the Super Bowl after the Super Bowl. Like in the interview. He was like, you know, what I know he won the SuperBowl. And I'm thrilled. But I got to play better. Like, he is like such a rice. Is he married Mary as he has his fourth kid on the way he has three daughters. Like, he's he's good. He's a good guy who he ever he's he's has to deal with the New York media, which is the worst dates, and it's funny because he's also just keeps it real boring. Like every time they're criticizing me goes, I know, and it's I just love him. And so I think he's and the fact that he's won two Super Bowls over the goat is just a wonderful sort of fuck you to everyone who wants to hate them, especially because they've hated him ever since he was drafted as the trade that his dad. I mean, hate him and dismiss him. I think those are the two attitudes sorts him is to hate and dismissed. So I think sort of the giants franchise has never or for many. I'd say for like two or three decades now has never focused itself around the quarterback, even Phil Simms. But it was really like a, but he's not he's not an Erin Rogers. It's like a game of. Yeah. He's part of the system. Right. And so I would love to see like a groundbreaking Huby. Be giants. QB? But that's not really how they do it. They're much more of a system. It's not. But if you did have a guy who could distribute the ball, and again, I j you bring up a important or interesting sort of idea of Dwayne Haskins because this might be the where you get a guy like this hand because he lies coming back. You can you don't have to throw him in there right away. I mean, it's amazing. If you live plays bad and your own foreign the first few games, then maybe throw him in. And who cares? I have a I I just I think I feel different than New York fans and New Yorkers aren't known for their patients. But. John. Snap judgment about it is and I'm allowed to because I'm one of them. And I feel like it's just sort of listen, we got a lot of problems, and the, you know, the the offensive line could be so much better. Like our defensive line can get a lot better. And I just feel like listen next year. We're not gonna win anything. No. And even if we go eight Nate, it's like who cares? If we go eight, and I just I just think that if we don't get the QB this year. We'll get him the next year. Right. We have so patients we need to maybe we can do some work in free agency. But in general, I just want to enjoy saquon and OBI J while they're two of the best players ever. And you know, in like five years, they're not going to be like like, oh BJ is just getting beaten up, and it's like I just want to enjoy these years enjoying these beautiful talents. And then maybe we'll get a QB the in there, and maybe like three or four years we can start to be really layoff. Good. Yeah. Super Bowl playoff. Good is great. You know, because honestly, the two times they won the Super Bowl they were just playoff good. So if you wanna know how great and how difficult it was for the for the giants to win those two years put it in a context of this year because I feel like we don't even remember, but Philly barely got in on the last y'all the Lana dig on a Dink Dink. Well, I mean, they barely got in. And then they barely won that game. Now, they had to go to Chicago and face the best defense, and they drove all the way down the food. You gotta give Nick foles credit. But it's that team winning the Super Bowl over the Kansas City. Chiefs twice doing it twice. But I'm saying that team that seed from that place Comey at running the table. So now, they gotta go to that would be if the eagles go to the saints and wind down there, which is wholly possible saints been playing like shit the last three weeks. So it is possible. But I don't wanna Super Bowl. So they have that sort of like, I you. So did drew Brees. And so did Trump Payton. Like, they're kind of that canceled self out and g g read about Sean Payton like bringing in two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. He brought two hundred thousand dollars in in like a wheel barrel or something and the. And a Super Bowl ring. But isn't that crazy that he still doing those kind of things with money like was because he wasn't he involved in the let's put a hit on the quarterback. There's little extra money for your pocket. It's like he's still doing that. You know, another way, you know, what's upsetting though is Sean Payton used to be a coordinator for the giants. And they've let so many good coordinators. Go. For what you have to understand is that coordinators are always always on their way up to the next. I know it just devastates like fire your top guy and fucking get these great coordinators. That's true. I also just what I'm secretly hoping for the giants is that they get Nick foles because that's what I really want is like because he solid stopgap for a couple of years. Yes. Stop kept. I I would be cool with that. If they don't if they can't get the right? Do if you are Philly. Well, what if foles win, you know, what if he wins? And I've I've we have really close friends that are huge eagles fans. I'm like what if he wins this next game against New Orleans poli boscell? And then you're playing may come out here. They play the Rams or through the Rams play the Dallas, by the way, douse could beat the rain. Oh, definitely. So let's say they if for some reason the eagles beat the saints, then they play a team that they know in Dallas and Dallas wins. Yeah. Or the eagles win. I mean that to me would be an incredible story. They make it back. Then what you do. Because Carson Wentz could not take you there. I know certainly this year one of the joys of rooting for the giants those years. They won was I truly felt like we had nothing to lose. So it was everything was like if we lose. I know we're not that good. So then every time they won. It was like a full body or gal case. So don't you feel like that's the way in to make draw connection or to to Hollywood. Anytime you go into an audition shit about this. You get it. I know every single person we've spoken to who we spoke to who made it onto SNL. I'm like how in the what was your attitude pressure of? In a restore. No, we're no one's going to laugh. You know? No one's going to laugh at these jokes that you need laughs to help. You even understand the cadence Lauren Mike is going to sit there arms. Folded knows no on the they make you do it on the stage of the thing. How did you do it? Every single person to a T said, I didn't think I was going to get it. So I just was like who fun whatever, I know. Because it's like if you're the Rams or you're the chiefs, you're kind of like this Faberge egg that you don't want to draw. So now. Yeah. And it's like, I don't want that pressure. It's like because if you don't if you're if you're Mahomes, you're Goth and you fuck up in the playoffs. You don't have an excuse. And so you're Sean McVay. You don't have an excuse. You are the best you are a genius. And so that is really restful until you've won. Because the thing is Bella check has won a ton. So it's like if he fucks it up. It's like, well, everybody one six times, you know. But if you're if you're like, Andy Reid or your Sean McVay like you're kind of expected to finally figure this out. And that is so stressful until you win it's very has a little cover. You can be like Mahomes hasn't been there before he's great. He hasn't been there before, you know, the Rams have a little less because they made it last year. But the Rams have weird. Yeah. Girlies heard. But but like the saints have no excuse saints have zero excuse if the saints lose at the eagles or deer even Rams or. Did they have none? They have no excuse. I it is. I will say this this season and into these playoffs. I know your your team's not there. But like, they're they're feels like more parody. It feels like it's in stark contrast to the national championship for college football, right, which we talked about the top and at times somewhat the NBA the NBA starting to shake out the way, I thought it would the east is far more interesting than the west far far more interesting than the west state's gonna wind up, dude. I watched last night. I was they probably will. I watched last night. And I'm like, okay, Houston jammed with James harden is doing right now is is he's out of his beard. He's in another level. What he's doing in the last month, you should spend incredible. But the Greek freak stepped up last night in a way they were down on the road in Houston at the end of the third quarter. And it looked like Houston was making run, and, you know, five points turns to ten points in the NBA, very quickly minute. It turns to me fourteen points is the point at which the game is. Over hardly back when elite starts although the shot clock is so short it. Is it Ford is it? I was like, I don't think Milwaukee I think Milwaukee is gonna come down to earth and be told where they are right now. And then they came back and won the clippers. I cannot explain this year that they're the the foreseen and want again last. Well, also, kind of I mean, they've been getting better. But the nuggets it's like how good are they rate because they're young and they're they're young. And they've got a center that can shoot the ball from way out that you have to respect. So it is. So when he pulls his guy out there to guard him now, you're gonna get off. Boston is fun to watch. Even though they're so far Toronto Toronto Philly really enjoyable. I I kind of like their teams for me because we never grew up with an NBA team. But there are teams for me to kind of like, I like Joel Embiid. I lying love Joel is needed. Isn't. He great for the league fun. Be great on the Knicks. Oh, he's wouldn't even on the next would fucking love. We that's what he's going for. He's going for like center of New York sort of like, I constantly stirring shit up. I think he would be his twin his contract is up. The Knicks should throw everything they can the is James Dolan is he either has to quit his blues man or just full into the blue. Like, our someone should let Charles Oakley. Just get him. Two of the nine security guards. I still being an fantas so incredibly painful, and what's funny is though I do have even though he never won the nineties. Knicks were amazing. And I can't believe there hasn't been a thirty for thirty about the nineties Knicks because fucking Anthony Mason, Charles Oakley. I still even though they never want. I feel like we won five championships because of how like how bad ass we were. I think the whether or not it's true. Anthony Mason was like you just want to be like he was a janitor. And then he like, I was still Janati who has. Still Janati laying on the Knicks. Sweep up the garden. He did up. Yeah. He he was incredible. And you know, I mean, Patrick Ewing was because Randy and I are older than he's saying post Patrick Ewing when they didn't have a big you're saying Alan handy. He just loved all of it. It was Latrell choking out coaches in the we're giving them a chance of psychopathy was trails Burell boat. Body yacht for his house in Milwaukee. I'm like, dude, you know, that you need that like three months out of here. You gotta have like ice insurance. I know you're gonna have ice insurance. You gotta get like de glaze your yacht. But I can't can't reiterate enough how much pain it's been just constant pain. And it's super funny. And like it's also funny just being from New York where you're kind of when you're raised in New York, you're raised to believe you are the center of the world that New York is the most important thing in the world. And so it's funny because I don't even get to be Yankees fan because my dad was a Brooklyn Dodgers fan. So then he couldn't be Yankees fan when they left he had full. I've just felt a ton of pain. And it's like really funny that you're raised in like, New York, and you have this provider. But your teams are so bad. Even though you directly can attract talent every time. You do. It's a mistake. And it's so funny. Do you think your dad's choice to make you a Mets fan in some weird way like was a precursor in the U getting into comedy only because it forces you to look at the world in a not accept what should be given to you. But to look at it in a different way. Yes. I think that my dad didn't want me to be happy. Right. So therefore, that's great my whole life without. Yeah. There you go. It should be a lot of pain. But from pain comes the best comedy for. So when you're sitting there going, God get you thrown should at your TV. You're wishing the worst things possible on these people. I mean to be completely honest. I it it really does inform. How I look at it. I've been watching the Knicks this year. And even though they're probably going to end up with the single worst record in the league. I love it. Because. Kaga because what's real? I mean, it's going to be close. If we get Kristaps back if he decides to come if he if he does rehab himself in his able to come back, then obviously, we'll do a little better. But I'm kind of hoping he doesn't because I like when I watched the Knicks if they're up by five in the fourth I'm like what? Now, I just get to watch how they blow it. Series like giving away of it's almost existential when marching it. And I watched the Knicks because they have to ex- Michigan players on the team, Trey Burke, and and and Hardaway, and you know, sometimes those guys look good, sometimes they look. All right. A lot of times. They don't. Yeah. And it's just it's it's almost unbelievable because when other players play at Madison Square Garden, even LeBron is like, dude, it's MSG like, it's amazing. But it's a big deal. But no, but he could plays. They still the team is so bad, and the coaches they hire are so bad. It's a bummer because it again, we had Blake Griffin on this podcast before he got traded to the pistons, and he was talking about LeBron potential. He in his brain is like LeBron should go to New York. And we're like why he described he's like you plan Madison Square Garden. It's different. Yeah. He's like it's just different to cool to take the subway to work, or what are they obviously don't. But what I'm saying? So, but it is cool to walk out of MSG into. The city that like it's so cool that you're going there as a kid was the most incredible experience. What's the game? You remember the MO like do actually weirdly I went to wh- because I'm a big hockey fan as well. And so in ninety four when they won s I remember they were playing the devil's in the conference finals, obviously that's when Matto scored the final goal. I didn't go to game seven. But I think I went to like game four or five I think game five, and it was the night of the of the riots because Rodney King was happening then so June. Eighteenth is my birthday and then June seventeenth nineteen Ninety-four. That was like, you know, you've seen the ESPN documentary, though hosts that's an unbelievable. It's the best thing. But I was so around that time I waiting for your birthday. Yeah. One of my birthday presents was like two or my birthday present was to go to that. So I remember people rushing into best regarding trying to start a riot in the garden, and then like the security guards having to hold them back and being really scared and everything I remember that vivid. Trying to ride at the garden. I didn't work, but they tried the while yet. But one other thing about that there's a little bit of a tangent. But I remember seeing I a bunch of my friends went, and I went to go see speed that night. Like that was like another thing that I really wanted to do. I guess I was very spoiled. So we went to go see speed. And it was about a chase on the four zero five, and then I come home to watch the Knicks and there's a chase on the four zero five interrupting the game. And so when I saw that documentary, I was like I've never felt a documentary more in my life than I remember this day so vividly. It was crazy. Yes. So funny because we were out of the country. A really has this was all we adjust graduated from college. And we were let's take to around your this is ninety four no one had cell phones. Right. That cell phones didn't start coming until about two or three years later. No one had a cell phone. There was no internet. Not. No, like, lemme check this thing there. Wouldn't even internet. Cafe. I mean there was remember being in Venice. And we ran into the parents of like parent parents from our synagogue, light people. We knew with their son was the I can't remember we said, hi, how's it going? We had a hold on conversation. Then as we were leaving. They're like, oh, by the way, OJ Simpson killed his wife walk what? Because. We had only known him from naked. That was the most recent reference to the guy we'd only known we knew obviously through sports, but his his sports prowess came before we were conscious, and he was in seventy two seventy three and one nine and certainly USC in the late sixties. But like, you know, he was oh my God OJ he was OJ was the hurts guy. And then so we rent so we ran to a new stand. Like, this is the only way you could find out new we raised saw a time magazine with his face with his mug with the mugshot. And we were like, I guess it is how poor we were. We're like, I guess we gotta by this. Find out and we just read it at the stand and the. Bye bye. But it was that was like that day, which is insane. Because we're such sports fans. And we were so Dowden. Our lives totally missed us. Just the whole thing the ramp up to it. So when I saw the OJ ten part documentary series on ESPN, which is I actually think changes documentaries on. It's it's pretty unbelievable. I think I watched the whole thing three times. It's eight parts ran as hundred ten ten part. Coming up is the bulls Jordan thing that's next year. That's going to be a ten part time while that was happening. That's happening. But it was an eight part two hours each one. But like that was just one of the most fascinating it's ever sun. But it had so much about this thing that we miss live through almost like a time that maybe we felt like we were in a coma during those days when you get older, and you aren't so tapped into the popular music scene. And then you go to a club. And then a song comes on that. Everyone's going nuts for nose. And you're like I. That is a really weird feeling dying. Yes, he's still going to clubs go to clubs along. That you do that. Well, let's talk a little bit about your show, which is out again, I got picked up again, which I'm so let me just give comedy central some props. Sometimes we do. And sometimes we don't give them props for picking your show backup because it is a thoughtful complicated. I allies stylized says a lot about corporate America and youth working in corporate America. And like just so funny. I was thinking I this is what I think about it. I know it's like separate from this. But we'll be traveling the country doing stand up and whatnot. I remember being on an escalator. And we were it was we were taking a flight late at night. We're from doing a job somewhere. I think this was not even from doing stand up, and I saw guy his like jacket was kinda half. Like business sued was eleven o'clock. Clearly, he was travelling all day or worked all day, and it was half off. And he looked like heavy computer. Bag that looked like it was basically destroying his like drop, easy as Muslim. And he just looked at you know, we had a family and he's looking at his phone, and they just looked beaten down beaten down and miserable by the system. And I'm like that guy is your show. But as their shows funny. You know, what I mean that's like, but even that is funny. If you're not him, it's like, oh, wow. You get one chance at life. And this is what happened to you? So you say to yourself why do people put themselves in this shit? It's so fun. I mean our show, you know, it's a comedy. It's it's basically just accommodate a lot of jokes. But it really is just about how I mean. We're just so lucky that we do this for a living, and obviously had to work really hard to get it. And it still is a job, and it is hard and to be to be able to we talked about this. I think last time, but like in order to play at this level. You're essentially kind of an athlete that has been picked to be in the pros, and it is hard to stay in shape. There's younger faster people coming all the time, and you got to really stay sharp. But it's I just think when you live in. A capitalist structure, especially one that is so rugged as America's you just get beaten down. And if you make a choice when you're pretty young to like go for some money, for whatever reason, whether you need it or you just want it or whatever then you get really hooked on that money and to take less to get a job that would maybe Mike. Better take care of people there already used to it. Exactly. And so you can't really that's the thing about humans like once. They get a tune to something once they get a tuned to computers working like the internet working real fast. If you ever get less than the wifi. Yeah. He'll myself. And so, and I think that that's sort of what our shows about is like oh fuck, I'm stuck on my life is fine. But I'm so miserable. Because I really don't wanna do this. And now I have to it's it's it's what you don't have to. But in your mind, you've created in your mind, then maybe you get a partner you get a kid or we have a joke in the first season. That's like I I would right. I would like to quit and follow my dreams. But I don't wanna give up living in a one bedroom apartment for a studio apartment. Like, literally. I'd rather like I'd rather suffer every day. So I can have one extra room. It's it's it's yes. It's about corporate America. It's about people who marry rich people for that life. Yeah. Like, they there's moments of clarity or where you look through. It's almost like you you closed the shades on your life, and that and that is an apt reference to this show because I love the lighting of the other lighting is like its own character. In it does not look like any other show. That's why fucking love it. So it you you shut the shades on your life and every once in a while, we'll sunshine peaks in you're like, what am I doing? Yeah. And then you're like you have that moment. Do you go out into the light or do you just shut the shades and be like, I gotta stay here. Yeah. And that's what a lot of the characters in the show or dealing with. That's why I think the shows just speak also very specific each of like all the characters have their own shit. Yeah. Because are well defined this year, we tried to we tried to kind of talk about just life in general like we have an episode this year about how your you get to a certain point. If you have a day job how going to a concert, theoretically, like, oh, I wanna do it. But then you're like there is nothing better than not going to a concert to like literally are these is like just stayed home. Just like, stay, home and masturbate. Just stay home and masturbate because that's lost. Lost. Let me get a good night's sleep. You want to be someone who's like, no? I love live music. I'm going to do it. But then if you don't get a night of sleep that will compound itself to a week of misery. No, it's go. It goes almost back to what we were just saying about the chiefs and the and the chiefs vers- the giants it's almost like don't give me that shot. If I don't have that then I can stay home. And no one's going to be mad at me. I'm not gonna ruin if I go out to the concert. It better be great better. Be amazing. If parking sucks, or if I'd the this happens or someone standing up singing the entire time. In ruins it for me. Then you're like why why? Because now I'm going to pay for tomorrow morning. I have to be able to pay for it. Because you're on this other track that has to do it really you had corporate j you worked in the corporate world where a lot of different shades jobs. Matt who co created the show he worked specifically for like a bunch of different big production companies in town that were very corporate? So it was like and I worked at a chandelier store like I had so many weird different jobs. But just so funny. I mean, the thing about corporate jobs is like essential corporate jobs. That's kinda. The hook any job that you don't wanna fully do sucks toes. True. It's like it really sucks, and like you're lucky to have them, but it still sucks and people in this country. And I know you guys understand this the way most people speak to each other. If you really listen are just they're complaining back and forth. And unless they're truly just thrilled with what they're doing. It's all complaints. And even when you're thrilled with what you're doing. It's still just complaining because everything hurts and it's really hard. The and also there are times where I'm if I'm happy about what I'm doing which we are happy about what we're doing the uncertainty is really hard, especially when you have kids with kids in house and Oeste. But like there are times where like if I'm really happy with what I'm doing a proud of this pilot that we're writing or is proud of something stand up we're doing or something, and I'm talking to someone who I know is not happy where they are in their lives. I don't want to be the kind of person who gloats in the face of that. So I will find things that I'm about to share. With them. So that they don't feel. So let's bring the discussion back to sports the idea that we also have to really appreciate is that the thing that we are trying to do involves our minds and not our bodies you. That's when I actually feel for these athlete. I think I'd for everyone, but I feel for these athletes who have like a three year shelf life pros. You know, the best of the best can do it for ten years fifteen hundred if you're Tom Brady can do twenty twenty five years. Okay. But like everybody else who's human can do it. And then they have to go. Find a whole other thing to do. It's pretty stunning. Like, I someone else said this on paraphrasing. I remember who said it was attributed quote. But essentially, it's like I kind of feel for athletes a lot of the time. Because of course, they can make a lot of money, but they spend their whole lives doing this thing. And by the time, they can't do it anymore. That's just about the age when you actually start to realize what life is and what's important to you. So by the time, you realize what's important. You don't have that superpower you had. And you have to define yourself in. Other way. But I would even argue the money part because back. Goes away. But let's say they make you know, and you have to pay your agents you have to pay taxes on stuff. Let's say you clear an as an athlete's five million dollars. Now, that's a lot or four million dollars over four years million dollars each year, if you're someone working in the world in the corporate world, if you're up deep in like investment, banking, whatever new make three hundred thousand dollars a year, which by the way is not a lot of money for investment paying I know investment bankers make two million a year. But let's say you make three hundred thousand dollars a year to good salary, but it's not the top. And you do that for thirty years. I mean, it's better and also nine million dollars. We'll you you've out earned this athlete. You can only do it for for you. And and this is a very obvious thing. But you know, if you're an athlete often come from poor place. And so you're going to like help out people in your neighborhood. You're going to help out your family, you're going to buy a house because you've never had a house on ocean. All my money's gone on. And then you can't pay your mortgage five years later. And by the way, you're not making you can't make a million dollars a year over the next period of time. So it is. Is it's fat. We heap a lot on these athletes. We hit a lot of our own emotional. So like, where's the it's funny because there are people who go to jobs, and they hate their fucking jobs, and they just want to go to the game on the weekend. And just and then all of a sudden it like all the people all the people playing the game like some of them as they get older starting to think God, I need a job. Reagan getting crushed or if you're at your job and someone says, hey, did someone call the delivery thing and tell them that they have to reroute that to wherever because it's heading the wrong way. And it was your job to do it. And you're like, oh, I didn't do that. Well, get on the phone right now and deal with it. So someone yells at you for one second. You don't have forty thousand people on the internet across. This Bill hang yourself for not rewrite your family's ashamed. You cont? Like, that's what these people. You just you have to tune it out. You have to for a lot of people some of them. Just can't. I mean, they they can't do it. Which is why it's fascinating. But again, what your show brings to the forefront which is fascinating. And it is a show that is about it is funny. It's jokes. It's characters and doing stupid and funny things but the engine that drives it is. We do have to ask ourselves. Why are we doing? I know why do why am I worth it? Is it worth? It is all the anguish is the guy is the guy who's we saw the Atlanta airport with the bag. That's basically crushing his shoulder. Eleven o'clock at night. He's still traveling. We're like is it worth it for that guy? What is life like feels like what are we all doing? Does has anyone figured out? What you're supposed to do. No. I mean, I, and I think that is the debate for the longest time there the tube star. That's whatever. Mega shit ton of money, isn't YouTube. But I mean there what's the old disner like some old classic parable. That's the guy who goes down, the the he's a wealthy guy. Guess he's a motivated like these money and goes down to like some small Caribbean island and he hangs out with gave hires a fishing boat any any goes out on a fishing boat. And the guy, you know, the story and he says he catches guy takes him to this areas. Like, there's good fish here local, dude. And so he goes in catches and boom catch more fish than he's ever caught on like little Fisher before he goes back the next day. And he's like you take me to another spot. That's like that. So he goes and catches even more fish at the next bought. He's like these are only spot that I I know and he's like this is the greatest vacation and they go back one more time and he catches the shit. So he then says here's what we're going to do. We're go to hire bunch of boats down here. We're going to go down here. We're going to put all these boats in you know, where the things are. So we're going to go and get all this fish. Then I got a connection to a guy you'll be my partner, you'll be my heart ache, you sold rich. Make you so ready you'll never have to work in your retire. And he's like, what would you do if you're retired? And he's like, I go fishing boat and fish, I do exactly what I'm doing right now without all that stupid ass at Hanner fifteen years oversaw sting, my ass and get yelled at by you and all this. Oh, we're running as fast as we can around a cul de sac a lot of times to end up. Where percent were. Yeah. It's true. I was just thinking like in twenty years. There will be an ancient parable about a YouTube star. I guess what? I would really do is to speak into a camera and loaded to YouTube really even wanna make all that money. The exactly that just. Actually. Yeah. Well, the people's Jing me having to buy twenty seven thousand bananas and putting it in a car knocking over arch. We take a break. Let's take a break. And then we have quick hits on the other side of this this I heard the other day member the those guys from tennis. Yes. Patrick, and Elaine, our friends this is this is William on. Yeah. Aboard member. Like it had that guy in the blue suit with the cowboy listening to records at their house after called fantastic, man. Jake Wiseman is a fantastic when we come back quick hits. And then later on the show nNcholas cage talks about the spider verse. So fantastic, man. Sklar brothers, the cheap seats. Stay with us. Hey, guys. Welcome back to view from the cheap seats just mentioned about tonight. We are tonight because the straps on Friday magic of time travel. We are in San Francisco we doing sketch fest. I'm sure you've done sketch fest before it is a blast. We are doing a dump people town are other podcasts. Live at cobb's are early show or stand up shows sold out the Cobb show that is such a God damn big room. There will be tickets. So if you're hearing this right now, and you're you live in San Francisco, and you wanna come do something amazing ten thirty Paul Scheer's, our guest who is just the best improviser? He's never done the show, and and another special secret gas is going to come onto the show. Our birthdays in midnight tomorrow, we turn forty seven each and how we do it. And then we also mentioned we're doing a headlining show at the rec room, which is in Huntington beach on January twenty six which is Saturday night. So please come out and check that out. We've heard it's an amazing room. It's down in Huntington beach, which we really haven't done stuff down there. So he said time to. Time to dust off all of our surfing material. Yes, let's just. Pretend to put on our wreath sandals yet and make that shit happen. All right. Let's talk about what's going on this just crickets, crickets, shall we? The idea of English Premier League football players soccer players coming over here and playing the MLS is in their prime is kind of like the big that's the ideas, you want to get people to like come over here and their prime and Ebrahim bitch would be like, my example, play for the galaxy. And he was a guy who probably could have gotten a big contract either in LA Ligo or more contracting, get warmer contract name. And so like if you get a guy like that over here, that's the idea to make MLS because I think a lot of guys would love to play in America. Oh, for sure I mean, the endorsement money alone. I feel like in America just has that. Yeah. America's America's America to live in America would be a great thing and be a sports star. And I actually think soccer is starting to you got to Portland and Portland, and you go to Portland in Seattle. Those two cities the right? Ivories? Incredible. The Seattle football stadium gets jammed for Seattle. Sounders games Portland timbers has because it's like a small market has likening credible stadium. You starting to see English style, you know, stadiums that are twenty thousands of where the chargers play with a charge was what do you guys think is the reason soccer is bigger in my opinion. It's like scoring. I think it's I was what I was gonna say because hockey is an incredible game. But the the scores are low baseball is. But that's just been around forever. Baseball's waning and they're trying to change baseball. I think I think that baseball and soccer soccer is kind of soccer is actually rising. I think it is a growing soccer's rising. Also because parents can less apparent parents can let their kids play it and not worry about growing up. And so when you're playing it the other reason soccer is growing as a sport is that Fox, Sports and. NBC S N are showing Premier League games on the weekends. Yeah. So kids can now watch every weekend. The best players in the kids school and kids are wearing game are. Yeah, they're wearing neymar. They're wearing Rinaldo. They're they're they're wearing masks seizure, SE jerseys, eckerson few slick or Pulitzer. He's like, I mean, he could be something you could he went to Chelsea is amazing. Three who'll like, I just like him timberland super young. Yeah. Super young. He's really smart. He's like really kind of like outspoken politically in a good way. Like not that. I really care that much. But like he's really like on the right side of thing. You mean, he's not like Irving saying the earth is flat orders. He's like he's like gay people should get married. You know what I mean? And it's like good to have like a young star say that and he has like a full sleeve tattoo and like cool. He is. Yes. Could be in the market will bear it out. That's the truth of the matter is the market will bear out of you see a bunch of kids wearing like ten, you know, Christian pulisic jersey, then you're going to buy, but he that US soccer, should you know, not to put pressure on him, but they should build through him. He was saying that he was saying that there are all these weird rules like the ages between sixteen and eighteen says for soccer players are why like the most important years developmentally here. They're just tear in here. They just fuck you with what you would be agency. You're allowed to have just Europe totally has that figured out. And he's like until we have that people aren't people are always just gonna leave here. So we got Wayne Rooney came over when Wayne Rooney one of the most like conic layers in England his famously drunk, they managed to talk this red face had, no hair. Then got hair transplant had the did the like Brian Urlacher. I have hair now, suddenly and the thing about him, which is so funny for us was that. Is that when we first first getting into listening to English Premier League soccer on the on Sirius radio on the radio. There was a classic call Elaine, Rooney find the call Rooney, and it just the guy said two things you never hear the scored a goal. He's just like running in the area. Does he say twice? For any. He just has Rooney in the area Rooney. All right that for us is a fantastic. But but like these guys come over. And I think people he's a famous drunk in that as far as that's concerned. But like in England, he's just another guy at the pump. I know. Sitcoms here. You know, you can walk home from the pub. Yeah, you know, what? I mean, you can there is a pub on every corner like their their public houses in the neighborhood areas. I've been there so like his so, but here, it's a very different thing. And so he was charged with a misdemeanor incident after at a Washington area airport. How fun to listen to the airport. He has some Drake's men like we always joked at LAX in like terminal four there's a bar called home turf. And we're like whose home turf is coming to the airport buying a plane ticket. So they can watch the game here at you know, what? What is sadly, I think it's getting drunk. Yeah. And that's really sad. So Mr. Rooney had triggered ready what he did at Dulles airport since he had triggered a door lar-, but did not breach airport security. That's how drunk he is. He's now triggering door. Unreal. He was charged with public types Tate toxication transport to London county detention center to be held held until he was sober. According to the court records, Rooney was released in his unrecovered since end paid a twenty five dollar fine. He should have paid more than that. I you know, we paid his transfer fee. Right. We should have paid his to get over there. It just loan to jail like you want these English players over here. But you have to understand how much they drink. Yeah. But I don't think you fully English drinking is just a different kind of it's on another. It's professional again. And I think what we need to do is get our kids in the eight sixteen to eighteen years how to drink. How to drink many laws here against those kids? Gee, this is what I'll say about this. You have to be vigilant when testing drugs, you know, athletes for drugs, which just have to. Although like, I'm a huge proponent of THC CD us instead of Viking. So I'm like lose the opioids, and let's turn it into. You can take pills for me. It's like it looked like a Viking input. We'll make we'll put a on it just so you can feel good about it is just CBD. So just understand. You're not gonna be addicted to it the way you you want to in and actually might make you feel better and help your product pain in certain ways. But if you're an institution that tests for this time in fraction you have to test. Everyone case in point I will tell you right now as I hold this thing up ninety year old American cyclist to be stripped of title after failing drug tests nine year old American settlers has Tyler cyclists has been given a public warning for violating anti doping laws Carl grove claimed contaminated meat. Can we stop me? All growth the reason claiming contaminated meat. That's like someone had my Twitter old. It's also just like you're ninety just be like. Yeah. Fucking did drugs. We may alone. Like, I'm getting live. I hope when you're ninety make these mistakes grove, the oldest participant in the event had won the men's ninety to ninety four sprint title in July, US antidote. I just that. They're still going at there. Like, there's no way you could have gotten this time. Someone else. Ninety year old someone else can play someone else complex into this. Another. A little to fail. I thought he went way too hard. You Sada is the guys is the name of the agency said grow from Bristol. Indiana had provided information that showed contaminated meat. He had eaten the evening before competing was more likely than not cause the positive testing for EPA trend bolo. Why are we testing at this point those people shouldn't they shouldn't he be allowed to you know, I mean, they should all be allowed to do. It's just like there's just so much poxy and so much back and forth. It's like what are the rules? What are what does this moral stance? We're taking can anyone explain it? Do you blame it on being old if a ninety four year old person just said the rumors are going to take over the world? Like, you would say, oh, well, I'm sure he I'm sure he doped. It didn't remember it blame it on the exact like my dad is eighty five and is a pain everywhere. And like, where's adult diaper? It's like eight year ninety and can get an bike beep make him the president old people should be able to get away. But if you're an old person you parked in a handicapped spot, but you're not handicap and someone comes up to you is like serve what's going. Like, I forgot my placard who questions that guy who that is like, do you really have a placard you have to be addicted do that too? Yeah. That that's taking this to just say, I didn't realize good old person could not pay his taxes. You'd be like I thought I paid if you're ninety if you're ninety and competing at cycling, you should be required to dope. Otherwise, I'm not going to watch it. I wanna watch someone who's not on drugs like. Like, just go like one mile a day, you know, this. And this was the sprint. This is the height be careful who you trash talk. This is the story for anyone if you trash talking someone you might be trash talking to that. I in the sense of corporate there were times or in this industry that we're in anytime someone cut cuts me off, and I'm driving to a meeting. A my instinct is to not honk or flick though out because I'm like that. That's going to that's going to be a boss of some situation that like isn't that crazy that I don't think that's absolutely true? You have to be careful also like who you sleep with. You know, what I mean like, you don't know like your kitchen. Too often traffic. You're an Uber driver, especially if you're a player if you're the player on the team that they're jazz talking about Hoover drivers should be like referees. I've said this. I said this is another case they're doing a great job. That means you hardly recognize you know, that they're they're just doing a great job. We don't need to. That's a good point. Melvin Gordon's Uber. Driver, trash talk. The chargers. And he started recording on his phone running back. You have a clip. I'm going to try and find a caption he captured a funny sort of interaction. I gotta see I think it's an article, by the way, did you hear did you were you guys aware that story where the Ottawa Senators were Uber. Unreal. They were talking shit about their own coaches, and they're on some the gods. And then that came to apologize to them go after Gordon assert. So basically what happened? How would you explain to you the drivers unaware he's debating one of the NFL's to help play makers? I mean, the guy Gordon is like the most jacked looking dude ever like in a football uniform. He looks like he's an donnas. And then so I'm assuming if he's just sitting there, you have to is he this guy part of it and drivers unaware he's debating won the top playmakers video posted on Sunday while there's nothing wrong with supporting the home team drivers case gets off track a bit early during the verbal clash about the two teams quarterbacks. After Gordon asserts Philip rivers is his future all claim her how favor the guy says listen that don't make no difference this guy. Lamar Jackson a Heisman Trophy winner. Okay. That's not a case. Say that don't make no difference. So maybe it does maybe it makes a lot of different. I really like watching the there's like lift videos lift where they they get like famous athletes to drive lifting. They pick up people, and they start talking trash about themselves to try to get him to Juliet, you'll be I love that is great. So they so this guy is kind of like he didn't do anything. I just didn't know he's talking to they proceed to engage in conversation on the next three minutes about the game. It just happened, including Gordon prime driver for an opinion about himself. What about that runningback, Deb, no Gordon kit with no shortage of good, Vanguards, fon, Linhart, home and ahead of what will likely be a hard-fought clashes with? And it was and it was it was a hard-fought class for the ravens the charges beat the crap out. They did over the came. It was like you had a shot. I know that was it was actually super super super exciting. Well, Jake Weisman. Thank you for stopping by to follow you on Twitter at Jacob Weisman J at Weisman, Jake and on the Instagram's I I'm not an his grandma grandpa anymore. All right. But and watch corporate on comedy central. It's so fantastic. And we're so grateful and happy. Thing. I love a show that is funny, and it's great jokes and Greg characters shot really well beautifully shot. I love the way it looks and everything so stylistically really cool. But it says something which thank the goddamn Lord. It does. Okay. All right. Let's take a break. When we come back, nNcholas cage leaves voicemail from Vegas. And you know, he's very excited about his role in the spider verse Spiderman in the spider verse I his idea for what he wants to do with it is also facet window that. It's an animated. Well, it's a window into his mind. You're gonna checks up. 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He is lying high off the success. The spider and the success of the Golden Knights. He'll probably we've that in somehow. But let's let's what he had to say. What is what an amazing time. We're living in right now and time I'm talking about is. Of course the spider for. Guys. Just movie hit nNcholas cage is in movie in theaters. Yeah. Back bay. So look I wanted to extend a formal invitation to you is going to be doing a stage to reading of Spiderman into the spider verse this today, the Cozma politics casino in beautiful loss Vegas, Nevada. Cool cold night. Listen. Stage. Reading me, nNcholas cage. I'm doing my part, which of course, Spider-Man no are the greatest part of the whole movie. But I'm also going to be reading all of the other parts as well. The way God intended. Because quite frankly, what I was called into this movie. I was very confused as the birth. It was animated. They told me they wanted cage to come in. And be Spiderman War, I showed up with golden Cain with skull on it because I hurt my leg. And they showed me a picture. And I was like, yeah. That sounds great. And then when I get to set it's just a booth and there's a microphone and some of the other actors were there were talking microphones on life. Wow. This is the movie I love it. It's like, you know, movie should just be people in a room standing around saying lines. And then it should be up to the audience to have to use their imaginations to be able to put the whole visual world together. And so that's what nNcholas cage doing this weekend at the caused the politics theater in Las Vegas hotel, their theater, you get a great nNcholas cage. My colleagues going to be there. He was kicked out of set and we were shooting because it kept touching the knobs. He loves shiny things. Here's the thing. Guys are Golden Knights hockey feel the fever catch it. I hockey cage. Spider verse, go see at six more times. I need the money. 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TFATK Episode 502: Will Sasso

The Fighter And The Kid

1:48:38 hr | 1 year ago

TFATK Episode 502: Will Sasso

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podcast we talk yeah I love and respect very much yeah yeah so much so that especially today I almost feel like get don't deserve them well I'm asking you for the last time stop surprised I think you'd be surprised havoc Kenny fight club spiked club Spike Club kids get the peace on our space on interest obviously for sure Senate settle here on them blackbelt chips chicken I think you'd talking we're GonNa do a podcast I hear today you and I yeah yeah okay it is the moment you've been waiting for the final and the kid is coming at you know we're not live at does yeah all right let's start this podcast I I you're gonNA show her right okay man yeah podcasting is all about High Chin also going well it's got the giggles today hi how are you good what it is today Bryan callen you're going to take time out I'm will will went to the wrong studio he's really and I told you to shut the fuck up and before we get into that and we discuss that with your audience whom you know I would ask you not to speak anymore if it please yeah I mean we're friends like you say we are also begin sounds you see we're not we don't know it's the fodder and the kid a good time out Brian and this time out is going to be different than any other time out that you've ever heard on a podcast sure someone has to leave during a podcast no no no no no I I it's chairs bigger yet is we got you a bigger all you too shallow perhaps you're not thinking things and you're talking again and that's not what time out is any elementary school students I'm going to take a timeout from the time out and suggest that and tell you that so let's just think about what happened with her friend will for a little while good so during that time Brian why don't you share what you thought about luck man I wanna apologize about you but I'm going to enjoy how comfortable this new chairs and get the mic right here and here we go attacks from you and I was excited I said let's do the podcast and I got I just got this you go I go we are friends known each other a long time shared a lot of laughs yet so I'm just GonNa ask you to let me take shit or it's not the time for the guest Taga that's not what I'm talking about usually it's one or two people talking so you'd probably think that in that you're not talking uh you go tomorrow is the last up of T. Fat K. I'm GonNa ruin your fucking podcast emily and he called me emily handle this for a sec and what I'm going to say is we're pulling off a podcast I 'cause you're GonNa take that means and then you go how the fuck should I know I must have been confused and then I go you up and you go yeah Bro as the crow flies in L. A. Yeah and you know the four miles as the crow flies in L. A. can take anywhere from fifteen minutes to two and a half hour through man yeah so we hi I'll tell you what that is kind of no not asking you questions tell you what kind of lucky yeah lucky hey I got a question go ahead what's wrong with you know just in general I got along well and you send me a picture of video of a Russian man wrestling up there it made its way across the Internet today and I felt like sharing yeah you sent me a lot of bear videos man and I go whoa pro come on man what's that mean and then you go what is anything me and I go call your next comedy special what Chop Fuck you fuck you and then I get this for fest this well maybe maybe I was late today yeah in a way that wasn't my fault so that I could just get aggression towards you what do you think i Anna fuck you up I didn't mean that I said why you said shut up I said anyway either way it's been nothing but fucking aggression right it'll take phone calls podcast and then all right and then I get and then I'll be like all right dude whatever and then I get a bear ripping into a carcass or killing things along and show that you know what you got cool things like nicknames Brian the beheaded cow Callan I just think it's a little you know what you could realize you didn't know where the new studio was and you went to the whole one in Playa Vista and then you had to drive here and it took about twenty five minutes here about twenty five minutes only four miles and do that yeah you go we're GonNa enjoy some silence today I did say fuck you fuck you bro I go dude then you go. VM Call I go yeah you K- hold on why are you reading this because I just want to go through this okay sh and I go no and I'll be filling that space no Brian we're both going to take it to and we're going to think about what we did to our friend beheaded HAL CAL I don't think it has a lot don't think it has a ring to you got a lot of fucking cool nicknames not as cool as Brian the beheaded mm-hmm Emma yeah or or the how about that polar bear with the beheaded cow yeah I was a funny one yeah and you know what you're saying that you're a bear and then you're going to do that to me that's what you're saying the library no I went to the University of Canada where I majored in psychology man you are I think you got caught in the line you lying yeah well that's interesting that I did say we're gonNA share some silence today wow that's that's quite subconsciously that came out it's fresh in a way maybe I man yeah well I think it's because we majored in psychology right now I don't know if you went to college I went to the imagery would I yeah just you're a beheaded cal in a way brian the beheaded cow Callan has a ring to it does Ryan don't start with some fucking apology that's all just you can't even prove to me that you know what the fuck you did for I didn't know that I didn't tell you I just didn't a- and I pulled in and the and the girl there at the desk was just befuddled at the mention of of the fighter in the kid how talent I don't like I think if there's anything they all your red lobsters and your audience and large could help you with just a further a university in Canada they what I went to the University of Canada is there a is there such a thing and you know what we are good friends and you know another thing Brian we've been late to each other shit for a long time because we're good pass and we used to do a podcast together a lot of times a bear related media yeah because it's a bear it's usually a giant bear sometimes I got a picture of bear and it's just waving behind a tree right that I'm it's all right that I'm you know that you sent me to the wrong fucking place you know I'm already I already drove forever from where I fucking came from so that's not a big deal this colleges and universities here we are studying Canada top universities Cities University Canada what is the Best University and it says Canada right there in Canada but you said you went to the Oh no hey will kill you wanna make a little announcement as we used to call it peeling the onion yeah get to that pearly malleable soft melt in your mouth middle middle of union and won't be Shitty no I'm not going to be Shitty I'm just I'm just bouncing ideas and I don't like when you're shitting on nuts shifts your shitty somehow you kinda drum roll in a pretty hard aren't you but you already university of Canada Yeah but sometimes they called Canada for short no no because Yeah Canada hey where'd you go to school at the camp it did make me smile first of all she probably wouldn't you don't know Brian Gallon in person you know and then so I thought that was funny and then so I don't really give a shit you know what I mean it's Oh and not that ugly stupid fucking medieval grandfather clock that you have for some reason why do you have audience and I'll tell you and I would like to say this on wax here on fire and the kid when I get messages from people that say could be a be transparent brian had been talking about doing a podcast together but but but you know don't don't tell everyone the Canada I'm sure they have a website I didn't have a website when I was there. was sort of before timber compare everybody down here in the United States of America is always like oh you Canadians you don't know anything or that we know rumor there's people saying that would be fun if you did that yeah that's a route there's rumor yeah okay call it rumor call it happen every no I just hope we brainstorm see what should we what should our podcast because I had some ideas I mean can I bounce some ideas off you this is how severe sleep apnea ready in followed hold on a second yeah don't make okay so all right hey hi Brian is funny I was late because Bryan did semi oh Tim podcast cannon there's there's talk about reviving I've heard online and this is exactly online people say talk shedding yeah no no no I'm not doing shitty all all all I'm trying to say is Dole don't promise people because you have a you do have a very neighborhood bring back that podcast and do this or do more I really appreciate that stuff and I and I know that there has been there are people that have listened to the whole in and second snow oxygen and then more dreaming you get the picture I don't lie that's Canadian traits we learn and the Kanana walking call Canea can you still be not breathing for a minute and a half in your head getting purple no oxygen God so how am I gonna about what would happen if I came at you I don't know what would happen will I do I know one thing one hundred percent what's going to happen I don't know what's going to happen but I do know one thing for sure that I'm GonNa oh you don't come into my studio and start threatening physical stuff because I'll tell you something right now yeah well right now right now right okay you come at me don't falsely a that's very disrespectful do you know what that is what that's me in deep sleep dreaming of you trying through what maybe maybe we can figure out what we're going to do yeah okay yeah but here's the thing though do so let's just get it out on the table a ten minute podcast because the ground is coming at you quick right now coming in creek right and you might want him you might WanNa pull your Puma what while you're at royal at all GonNa meet halfway well you should not pulling years ago and I think we might do another podcast and we've mentioned that on the program here the ten minute podcast with our good pampers still and I might just do a podcast together I wanted I'm loose feel good yeah right yeah so hot right some caffeine okay right Oh for sure right you'll shit you're go you'll shit you're a now I want you insulted anything can fuck and how you can have to get up and plant my left foot in the bridge of your nose and not hey into that definitely having a stroke have to watch the world record will Sasso two minutes I wish you any ill physically okay so that's why we've never fought all right yeah because heels east from from an m night Shamlan I twist your head completely around separate all your joints so that your arms and legs at the knees go backward a map dreaming of you hold on this is what I look like when I'm asleep and I'm dreaming here I'm going to show it to you again ready uh-huh because he's fucking in outer space you went into outer space you're did that guy is into shoes his new chain he wears a new chain DROOLING TODD and its own ten million you were trying to suck your own cleats and got beheaded fucking onion when when it comes down to ten minute podcast yeah that's three separate entities and it's a whole it's pretty hard to get a hold of and I'm GonNa turn you into all horror movie villain well until I counter so anyway we were thinking about doing a podcast three people to do one thing especially when one of those people is in outer space that'd be crystal clear I hope he hears this Oh yeah let's let's do I would love to do another podcast called Chris is in outer spe what I'm going to say to you Brian is don't promise these people anything that you can't deliver I'm not promising because when and now Really GonNa pee a little extent and feeling strong and quick yeah right yeah so you might WanNa what grads coming at you yeah outer space you gotTa pull them by the oxygen tube that's hooked up to his space helmet cancel on your right quick if we're just gonna I thought he was kidding Coffee Metoo I look at Chris and I go like this sometimes right to his face ago I can't believe I friends with you he texted He texted us that picture of of the chain yeah and you you knew that this was real so as soon as I was like talk about Shit Yeah we shouldn't yeah I don't know that we should share that outlet but but I tell you what why I fuck it man you know what I'm bored and you'd be like crawling on a wall or something within somehow can until like that's what I'm GonNa do I feel light and Magic Sasso House in Outer Space Yeah that'd be great I was thinking we do a podcast about dreams I just like everybody's got what does everybody have what does everybody have yeah everybody everybody Habra your life inside of them okay okay you're getting close life inside of them not everybody actually so Chris is a little bit dead behind the eyes else they have everyone carries Saudi fucking as you know a right to to be here to be in this really not everybody some people should next Sunday I have a benefit charity benefit I'm going to have some very big comics on that venue some surprise guests get you know I'm I'm Chris and it's fine it's coming it's coming real why uh-huh and then you were like oh no that's real that's real okay so anyway getting three people together is is getting him off I don't know what's a good name maybe dream big podcast Jim big between big podcasts and if you guys want it then really want it about helping people realize their dreams so we start with like affirmations like this like like Kia how amazing what this we're like hey guys this is the William Bryant mind soul but what else what are they have what do they have what is every person share what sentient existent yeah son of a bitch if you come at me Peace Yup Yup is Ryan start with an affirmation like that okay that's I'm not trying to I'm not trying to I'm not trying to grind things to a halt dude but I really am all she was okay it can't give up the meat you eat a mish be killed right so we know that but what everybody just wanted to have a buddy how everybody how everybody just has like just like a Tom you're drooling you fucking drew here stirred because I'm a foaming at the fucking mountain no 'cause you're a beheaded cow your fucking hand have life he has owned and coffee and my did you know that kind of stuff right but but but what is everybody including even Chris meet now I'm meteorologist way yeah I'll meet you halfway yeah so that's all I can guarantee that I'll meet you halfway grind we cool Lord well just in general though you know what I mean mice things up no no no it's not your thing Brian it's not your problem I just get bored sometimes what do you do when you in life was because you hadn't toward a wall no you know what would happen to you you might Wanna I earn you into an evil now I don't know train yeah you know what I mean a dream I'm going to cut you off right this is a bad idea but maybe not maybe not maybe the podcasts and then here's a dream and then it goes shoot right you shared grounds coming out to query that's coming on me quick so you mama at this at this point right I'm fucking bored good idea they were going on and it's not because your idea I'm just just poured now yeah I just got me a working hard yeah I'm working really hard still fat working hard knick is loosening up all sorts of parts of me that I didn't yeah he'll do that yeah yeah my shoulders fuck you're younger than me what do I do do anything I just stay home swinger kettle bell or what that is all right yeah we're trainer Nick Pounds I was really really big Brian if you right after you left Mad TV and I join mad TV if anybody out there remembers that Italy talked about this all that much you know what talk about repealing the onion you know I really honestly I'm GonNa tell you why I'm bored but dont because I'm more curious about this me too man I'm forty four years old and I've started roles and then my shoulder starts fucking crayon he says that some parts of the body are connected to other parts and I didn't know this at all yeah so we'll see what are you gonNa do we'll Sasser younger let's see none of those are going down has been hauling up Weights and Shit really had never had a ad had like a couple of massages yeah but only true only just had my first deep tissue socks and then the next day I get up I have trouble walking so I have to warm I have to fuck and warm my feet up before I get out of bed not kidding throwing shit hurts everything hurts and then it comes along and starts doing things that's blowing my mind like having me roll my latte on one of those things to my TV show I I had to do a run and several times well that used to be like okay where do I run to I to go through a whole process where if I'm running I might pull my fucking Achilles so I gotta I gotTa Roll my feet I gotTa do all kind it's I saw in September what was that like that's the first time as time having a deep tissue that's crazy why because you're insecure by your body or something you fucking right there is a new belly button congratulations near two thousand Oh yeah because you had a I had to have thing you know when you get the thing when you roll or you get the Lacrosse ball my only hey Forty four years old the only played a bunch of contacts Jones insecure about mud body will know man that would be really inappropriate here take but I'll start with this yeah so I lost two hundred pounds back in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine to two thousand is that a real number yeah you too parts for the first twenty years and then just nip that never got a massage never never throw it up way to mid twenties of crack got a warm my fucking before I get out of bed something happened or I'm going to abandon my my I'm bored bit that you just fucking dragged out of the air ro taking no if you want us wait a lot don't you rundown no that's once I've lost some weight there oh that's me that's me eating breakfast out of the Lord Walker Cup can we were here yeah okay that's good and I looked like I was three hundred and then I lost two hundred pounds a year that's true yeah it was fucking stupid and I never talk about that it was pretty weird yeah and then and then and I promptly gained back almost one hundred but not promptly I've just been fighting with that including this isn't GonNa work so Lou Yeah and then twenty years later you're like I can't I can't fuck talking about my body you could fill in the blanks right okay so if you feel motivated get out there and you can do it so I did it eaten meat and fucking cereal out of the Lord buttercup that's what we use that used to be the richest prize in sports every year Christmas bull but anyway make a long story short I was four hundred and fifty pounds four after a session of you know highly aerobic weightlifting that's all okay so now we're talking about the whatever if if you've listened to any of brilliant the year of training didn't do any didn't have the lap band or any of that I was just twenty four years old my body took to it like a motherfucker I went to the gym two sometimes three times a day pay for the pathology anyway so and then I had to have my chest on who gives a fuck man so you know why are you bored asshole finish it is I don't know why bizzare buck and buck and so anyway the other thing about that is I so I had to have to surgery to remove a bunch of skin so they take the the I won't get too graphic but me as your surgeon we're in I am not just a plastic surgeon I'm a around this and that is that all of the all of the in February two thousand twelve and that was late kind of for podcasting podcast had been around for what was it like two thousand no yeah yeah losses van sixty fifty or sixty pounds but Yeah then I lost I lost all the fat in one crazy because I feel like if we're going to do a podcast I wanNA actually talk I want to actually share I think a lot of people feel that way yeah yeah yeah I know I do I feel like I feel like there's just a lot of chatter out there it one funny get close up of this you see this yep you're what I think about how I feel about all sorts of stuff I think I'm bored I think I'm bored yeah some things go off down here right and and then they gotta attached to this to this or where'd you belly button go it's in medical waste somewhere I actually asked my doctor if he would people aren't saying all the time but it is kind of you know it's fine it's industry and show-business right so as soon as the show I don't know how much you've covered this sort of thing all realized that would be because we're also fucking busy we just couldn't keep doing it and now it's like everyone has a fucking podcast yeah I do feel like wait a minute I was doing that with my friends and it was fun and it wasn't like this shit now where you're like well this is just you know you look whatever I'm not saying anything that eight when they started like really is that's when I tunes breath I think it was probably before that I'd be really curious to know and then by the time we did and tell me during the time now he's he's very very successful in other areas and he the trainers hi call the golden era of television comedy I was okay well do that well bring up when he was young pleased there's some good they call it after refuse whatever anyway gets rid of it for free I guess when you have like this should done by you know you gotta go through some wacky facelift doctor you gotta you know very well thought out yeah and that's what I think about podcasting it's so weird because we started doing ten minute podcast is we live in a time where everybody has access can everybody can get what they have to say out there whether it's music whether it's comedy whether it's just log whether it's just a point of view and most of it is Horsh it most of it is amateurs most almost all of it is not original so so being and I lost a bunch of weight and I'm still fat but it's because I gained a bunch anyway you know and I and I and I lose I'm totally fine talking about it I don't sound weird that I have an incredible friend and really helped me what would you say what what kind of workout lifting lifting just just the usual just just just get in the car original and being someone who has something to say something entertained say something original say something fun to watch something that's shit and we didn't have Logan Moy with us our producer for the first couple years because I was just doing wrong just huck it up skilled actually has to be cultivated studied respected that's why you go to acting school theaters that's why you study song and the difference between something that is moving inspiring overwhelming that's why some movies are fucking amazing and other movies fund in Greece go and fucking do it but we started our shit just like I hired a consultant to different times to like learn how to like upload all sides up over three hundred and I go yeah and then inside I'm like I wish it's amazing I'm assuming what do you weigh right now great art great literature great music versus Amateur Music Shitty music pop music there is criteria for the actually funny actually inciteful actually moving well that takes that takes a lot of work that's that's a skill writer and Dr Whatever that's why you hear some songs that's why you can listen Zeppelin over and over again and it's still astonishing but then you listen to somebody who's really good dance that's why you study how to play an instrument that's what he's studying music theory I mean there is there is not only criteria criteria for good art I'd like to have a great voice and the music is there and it's catchy and he listened to it three or four or five times and for whatever reason you're over right you don't honestly should aside I don't think most people think of you as fat they think of you as big as a difference I you know we did for a while the you know I kept going for a while after you and Chris had departed 'cause we hop music and Zeppelin classic you know whatever the case we we can get into the details of it but it's not important but what is important is yeah and and that difference without quantifying why that is that is probably in many ways the difference between pop art here on the fighter on the kid but as soon as as soon as people who can make the wheels go round and can make money from something see that thing is happening that the kids like they fucking get their fucking Mitts in it and it's which is fine which is great which is great there's I anyone with regard to what you're saying too I kind of feel like that voice comes through when things are genuine great example is led Zeppelin there's a band now called Greta van fleet of you heard of them okay of course you haven't not not only left your time also horrible taste music said it hey yeah horrible taste I can T he's big big frame yeah I'm a big guy with a big frame and when I was when I was really big people were just like what are you what are your three bill hey there's nothing wrong with that everyone should fucking do it and and if you want to do it in any company should fuck and do it and anyone with a fucking idea that they can I was a young actor I always and not that I'm not right now I used to just emulate my idols and I would just you have to start talking about agree with you though Bryan callen that's an interesting that's interesting with a call to the cult of the amateur and I'd like to I'd like to read that but you brought this down the level of you've brought down to the gutter a chimp who's who's sitting on a slope rock and things maybe now I can and he pulls your neath and a- As you notice as Brian became impassioned about what he was speaking on he sat like a chimp that's right now that's wrong don't I sat like a monk let's see whether young dudes and they're fucking killer incredibly talented Play play it might be awesome and I had my old my other pockets mix mental arts and as you pass where I talked to smart people and you know yeah the goes to his boss and he's like if I pull my ball he doesn't know that they're called balls and he starts pulling his words mouth but because at my house could've done it O'Brien Salsa Christmas house it's just three guys fucking Dune is a book called I think called cult of the amateur looked out for a second never read a book I'm Canadian joking of course five book all fucked I wanted got it we can't wear a string around your head I think I don't even know if you're wearing a string around your head in the seventies the podcast I have the antidote I think we have I have an idea and you have an idea we've been talking about yeah we've been talking about that would be a good idea I think yeah and I just want things to be g then his finger goes into a shedder and then it goes on you and then this is just the rest talking about something important he fucked their own style later but this in my opinion and maybe let's listen to a little bit is exactly what you're talking about to me there's nothing behind this because it's not there's they're all the same guy there they're all guys how about yeah highway two I one right that's right so so it sound just like stop talking about what the ones these guys sound just like led Zeppelin but it's okay maybe they'll arms now you know listen birth springs and make up a lot of dumb so awesome somebody a kind person will come up behind you pull it off while you're gonNA heroin healthy no guy probably go that's where I put my act damn he can sing Tao then areas again because the same guy pilfer different takes and go this would be here and there but these dudes are they sounded okay look at a lot of people out here you know about this I'll keep it short they sound a lot like leads the never heard anybody ever emulate Robert Plant true check this out come on man let's get serious no prisoners get yeah I want to hear what you guys didn't like a chimp you don't call me a fuck sitting like this you're talking about muscular who's trying to find a way to succasunna man you're ruining MHM podcast but why and I think that's why I haven't done one now it's been a brown a year and a half since we stopped doing podcast so the only two kinds of this right now let me before you before you play I wanNA throw these young kids under the bus because I do think that you know it's like when anyway so you get the point right there sound fantastic it sounds exactly like Zephyr exactly Zeppelin and it's like it's like bowed jumbo if you hadn't listened to it in a year it made no sense to anybody except for those listening to every single episode and they are our diamond listeners And then I Tommy and then Chad and then it got into this weird thing and Tommy was like fuck it man we should just like pair this down to the only listener who gets every reference throughout the entire candidate of the show before us and then after and then it's just all these wrestling references just got literally it just sounded like who after Brian Chris laughed writer producers Dear Friends of mine very funny guys Chad Culture and Tommy Blotch came in mind preserving it and getting it to me so I could turn it into a throw pillow with the data and he said well one of the advantages of having got some guy saying twice in the middle twice same two guys on the outside very happy with their haircuts Glamour's Glam rockers but but we gave it away in a contest and antastic diamond the Diamond Ring Yeah Well Tommy Blocher Chad culture and myself no keep going there go to their their changed their you know and then Fuck it Oakland well they're wearing too many feathers in its rock and roll I know but that's annoying twice in the middle yes same guy twice kissed man that's me a little bit lighter than I am seeing here fucking son Alma man I really feel like I should take off all my clothes right now move now good the hammer childbirth will but but it's a really it's a really good book because he has name is Andrew Keen really interesting it's called the cult of the amateur and basically it's like you fucking podcast it's a hell of a thing to do the damn to do the damn deal you've been at it forever now because you've been added straights since before we we wanted to pair it down to literally one person who gets every ridiculous reference from within the podcast in wherever I love those in the wrong city this is kind of what I believe what you were talking about sure you can direct all the fucking equipment and do a God like Oh yeah and then we gave it to this do so anyway look here's how I feel I feel like if I don't have anything to say if I don't think that there's a reason to do taught me and my hair yeah dude that's you wonder why every girl likes me it's yeah that's back when you were weird Al we had some good times they're doing that yet anyway yeah I kind of feel were you there were like fifty one or I'm making a very interesting funny point and look I'm son and he said we're just gonNA keep doing this and I go oh just keep doing I went when do you think he goes what he does have a job he's eaten that looks like chocolate cake in a jar of pickles Chrissy Chris Chocolate cake in a jar Chris does not in food you know Chris and and then we gave it to a guy yeah we we had a content that's there that was many did Tom Green you're saying here and I'm sorry to interrupt you what you're saying here through all this bullshit is that you're a pussy you're my water Sir I'll do whatever I want I'll get here wash that out and do the fresh L. A. TAP so you're basically saying you're bored and you don't know if you WANNA do I'm GONNA wind channel. Rt Tournament Win Chan Songs Grinder on the planet I talked to a guy played football with them and I go shop Mooney puts his mind to it and the guy played pro football for seventy years he's a he was on Brady again I don't know I don't know I like doing all the bits I like doing all that I really am looking people on I think it would be nice to all right yeah that's the old ham federal one studios that's a half in the bottom of my house and it looks like Chris has a jar pickles and he's just he does well and it takes that kind of Shit to do one of these fucking things especially if you're talking as long as you guys talk which is so long you drop out at any minute I hear what you're saying I hear what you're saying I know that I know what you're I know kind of what you're talking about because we've discussed it well I wanNa make ideas astle I wanna make so so so a lot of times when I think people think is a lot of ideas and education is not for them I think it is oh connecticut no no my girlfriend will attest to it He'd been Ryan you've seen me naked look at me with my shirt off their where the let me finish that Goddamn thing say and even though I know it's taken forever but you only twenty five minutes because I went to the wrong building is this one about people interviewing people do you have a take is there something interesting to say so here is here's what I think there's a lot of information people want so just has some of the best tap in the fucking thanks check it out that's something you can google telling you how good does that water taste it's mixed with coffee right no it's not now that's my shut up shut up that's from my tap shut up I drink tap water if you drink water you got problems Los Angeles what there's no end we're doing this twice a week I got a TV show just make time oh Jesus I mean I was like all right that's amazing he's amazing he just that's it aw I need you to focus yeah I'll focus you're not a good student so if we're GONNA get ideas out there a guest on excuse me I went to the John Denver he goes he's a fucking grinder dude the grinder he's a grind you gotta kill that Guy Yeah and it's like saying he looked at me one time we had conor McGregor on and he looked at me about that breaking down and then you and I we start with some funny hey man listen before you go any further we can get Bagel rourke pretty soon because he's gone butter we're GonNa Mix Dick and Fart jokes in with intelligent talk shut the fuck up Bryan callen that's a good name for your fucking podcast shut the fuck two of these keep changing the shut this fucking live is in work anyway I don't think that it's necessary to just do stupid pits the whole time a break things down for us with more than just smart talk we get information into people's brains who has time to read a book nobody author on me maybe you and I read thirty what did you just say I'm going to get out of my car I'm going to get Outta my seat now you're a Nincompoop say one smart thing right now say one fucking smart food is no no no no Chris doesn't eat anything good he doesn't go to Nice restaurants or different keys it's he'd said fucking different Vaughn's he's a diner guy that's where you get a mustard sandwich with a side of Turkey that's right which is what he must Turkey walk in chairs sucks it's like the other one well what are you supposed to do that yes you know how much water cart around what am I supposed to the University of Canada not going bad student is not yet we looked it up you got the American Internet here it doesn't work like fucking I think ten years eight years eight years now my my fucking body is breaking down a little bit my my I had to sprint that's the most that's what I'm saying what I'm saying I'm saying let's have a real conversation here's I'm saying let's have a real conversation if we ever do a fucking podcast number Democrats have ones who can eat what is the difference but I wouldn't mind having somebody who's really smart get on a podcast for a half hour forty five minutes to really to you know have fuck you know it's interesting because I just kind of really is I look at all these fucking podcasts and I'm like what is that one about learning how how do you navigate a lot of the world how do you even know the difference between Elizabeth Warren and what Bayrock Donald Trump or same if you really get down catch the fighter or the kid say one more thing okay I'll say one smart thing give the young people something Hook into out of their heads out of their books and into people's brains I wanna do Dick and fart jokes we're GonNa do that to you got chocolate in my peanut instead of candy all you do is dish fucking candy nutritious thing okay here comes nutritious that candy mouth here comes in nutrition you don't look at me side I'd like and say we're going to keep doing this I'll smack you you just went into that chimney for later leader what the foot correal conference keep interrupting everything I try to stay with bits you think Elizabeth Warren is going to make it out on the side I wanna get somebody thinks she cup Brian First of all do whatever the fuck I feel like okay first of all don't say we're going to do anything you're not the Brendan Shaab to my Brian I don't have to all you have to do is rewind and listen to what I've said to this point some of the smartest conversation that's ever happened on the fighter of the kit that's not true aww have time to do a podcast early every time I wanna get smart people read pokes who teach important ideas I want to I'm going to get those ideas have you ever led naturally dominant this is a fucking disaster you do that one more time I'm GONNA fuck and get out of my car and my seat out of your car I'm not child in China I mean to me here I write my own words I'm doing ten minute podcast you're dabbling in it Because Shabaab beat me up if I miss it if you miss the most disciplined fighter or the fighter and the kid the kid the kid fighter the key off my podcast fucking fighters not even hearing this tune in I thought Kay Candy you want me to say yes okay I'm can't live on hard candy on only parties and I'm not running is because if I joined the greenies that'll take votes away from the Democrats over three hundred dogs most of them are little dogs terriers why do you own dogs because I surround myself with dogs and corn you call yourself an American I was a navy seal how long can you hold your breath underwater me I can hold no the I don't know apps I could run with someone who's already in the Democratic field that's how you takeout trump and he's a friend of mine he's a friend of yours and quite fond of Donald I'd I don't the nine eleven terror I don't WanNa get into that fell on Joan okay slater yeah I know that would you like to run for president with me how much corn an ear each ears of corn is an ear of corn right so that would be that would be you don't understand your corn you've probably never served in the military I gave never had to Shuck corn and the mess hall I had the difference between you and I okay but what is that ran for Governor Governor I kind of forgot most of that Shit and etcetera too many cheer shots your big find out what a piece of Shit I would you'd only be the vice president I know but yeah just be like pence I'd never go out for dinner with a woman okay I don't think we could win watch why wouldn't we win because I'm a comedian I've got skeletons in my closet and then they would and guns that's my platform that will be one of my policies which is what seven years of corn to guns and free small dogs the auto steam punk grandfather clock behind you looking I can hold my breath for probably two minutes I can my breath for seventeen minutes that seems like I I don't know anybody get started I just keep asking people to rally around me I I don't know the first thing about running for president you as you know I have a thousand gallons of potable water in a silo full of Tortillas I didn't know in the bar I didn't know that now own uh so so what do you say Ventura Cal and twenty twenty don't think so I don't have the Dr not just not interested in what are you doing what are you busy record I don't know if that's true well why are you calling me a liar I'm not calling you a liar I'm probably think the tower seven fell because it was compromised during all you have to do as a vice president great stand there you know we'll put you in some some shoes with lifts in them yeah so you get close to me I'm six foot four air some of his policies that I live in the Baja six months out of the year that you would run against them because you're taller your bigger and taller I'm up and the more run against the Donald he's a friend of mine okay he'll tell us how to beat them all right head has have do we have that tape on on faster than when the you know the the green new deal seven ears of corn or the debt the national debt how much how many about thanking you for his vote I don't know Oh wait you mean this donald trump forever forever he won seven years a corn seven ears us seven years of the cost that would bankrupt the country on trump the piss tape brian yeah well he doesn't exist yet oh okay all right I just thought what did I just tell Tapan Donald Trump talking Sir Donald Trump Dick so law that's fucking that's Bill Clinton saying he's now Donald Trump Old Real Old George Washington George Washington I will not tell a lie and that's exactly what he sounds like you can listen to wife Michelle Yeah I can do any president everybody go ahead fuck man Barack Obama no no no no I already did that go like old though Oh man so you still haven't fun podcast no no why do you do this I don't know you can see you can listen to Andrew Jackson's podcast he had he had George Washington on I guess well money that's what I mean Brian we can't talk about fucking wine if we have a podcast exactly because I wanNA fuck and spend money she drink oh you're coming from the right place I'd save a lot of money is got bad sleep apnea so worst so before I die let's do a pod I before I go a Jesse Ventura seventeen minutes without breathing while I'm in bed I got ideas we don't need to talk about that we need to talk to your people we need to entertain your people well what do you WanNa talk about I don't know what the fuck you WanNa talk about what here's what we're GonNa do what the Fuck it you WanNa have interesting people on the fucking show interview me comedy Ramrod Hey won't be their whole about that hair has anybody perhaps his hair yeah all right so you guys know him or a lot of you don't know him because he does obscure shows in Canada but we'll why acting Well you know I out this all right before I do don't you fuck me did you spend that money don't make a fuck Outta me what was that if you send the money I'll give you more there you go all right yeah and roll with that here you have you my good all right don't be a fucking Oh my God I'm known to spend money on wine because I'll look at one you gotta get this because it's two thousand seven money don't make a fuck me okay interview me I'm GonNa interview seriously do do it good for I do don't do an ad comes when you know when I was like a child in elementary school yeah we were just talking about this occasionally she would just just get just make toast with butter on my words that's your friends we your Mama's boy Italian going to suggest to me that I don't love my my next guest now just we've already just go walking in or anything good just talking my next guest John Goodman Okay I don't I'm not doing that I don't know how to my next guest says will Sasso that he would I would cut him a couple of big slices but a bunch of fucking pasteurized butter on that Shit and he wolf sat down yeah humbly put it under my face and like the cartoon like Bugs Bunny floating down the hallway because there's like the the Brian Collins Gosh Scottish William I'm your uncle out of jail that's Irish rice bucking guile real thing this is this this goes right in line with what I was talking about earlier with regard to losing a great deal of weight when my mom couldn't get me out of bed in the morning every once in a while Cmih Thursday Friday Saturday October twenty four twenty five twenty six Jesus didn't come down to a set set of stand up present or you WanNa you WanNa talk about my parents yeah love my parents I just saw them all right yeah we were all hanging out if you're a mama's boy that's a very special loaf of French bread from whole foods that he loves this is organic softest fuck loaf yeah and I brought it to them because I knew he would like hey okay so we're here we're and okay here we go we're doing the pod no not our next by next I'm sitting here doing the podcast with you hey man it's good to be here dude it's the worse geography Zad pups when they're played when they're not played Akao yeah the cal lives on a passer not feed lot it doesn't have a factory here and it's very clear to see bread and butter you see what I mean yeah and what we need is we need we need that podcast that's just they're played through someone's mouth yeah now does your mom or does she not waking up with cinnamon toast clean behind your ears hey you wanna know something for real yeah the colors that I I paint in our our human colors Brian and I just from a very young age I realized that the screen there's your a piece of Shit we tell you something I I eat cows raised on what then the delicious fumes of you know that's how we show our love Italian Dino Jinja my dad she'd make you know if it's in the middle of of cheap burger air some bad house here's here's here's the flavor that I like I want to know it was the most vibrant Palette we you loved this child known your good interviewer or your parents just like bread and butter like home cooking it's not it's not pretentious like your expensive fucking wine or even that bullsh- almost reached across and slaps you while you were talking about a piece of Shit Shit why know what Sh- okay sh Geez we found some of these passionate about good cows. He's passionate bread with butter butter I'm sure you're familiar with it it's fucking delicious it's impossible to fuck with better some of the most I brought my little son Ryan Yeah Yeah Yeah Big Mike he's Irish pro is Irish Shikha you got a problem with that in Callan big mind at that cow has been clanging down along metal hallway before getting beheaded error. I WANNA taste the confusions I want all that delicious confused Emma yeah yeah yeah she's soup not no no no no she didn't clean me probably she doesn't know on with the cinnamon sugar only half arms that's what I'd like to start i WanNa start a beef outfit called beheaded cow farms our cow comes to your plate without fuss cows bovine milk creamery butter his main by scared confused cows so mean woman had she was dairy cow farmer she had named for all her cows and the cows got mad cow and the government came in and shot all trace. Excuse me excuse me no don't is because I said pardon because like who gives a fuck organic bread pasture unpasteurized race pasture-raised ashtrays so that the what butter isn't pasture raised alien when you don't get to talk to me like that I'm okay asking you GonNa talion person what are you have Scottish one hundred percents that he goes Did you watch you watch why he was so and she was so distraught and she said yes I I knew all of them by names and the guy who goes like this I swear ahead because cows pasture raise fucking fuck cows butter foot cows butter forgetting that hey chicken house long we made out of your tip milk asshole butter cows just like Brian the beheaded cow Callan but that's what I wanNA taste the stood next to who headed cow beheaded CAL fucking Sharon shit like they know what the fuck yeah by preface this enough by saying I don't know what I'm saying but here's my thing I love meat it's great I've they did it in view of a bull and the bull was gone crazy and I never forgot that story that both trying to protect its cow you don't kill cows in front of a book because the Bulls can I've taken time off before I did two years of just PESCA -Tarian Really Yeah Yeah Ju just fish and vegetables did that for two years once corn already mentioned that yeah yeah ears of Hornets right now you're in the corner because it's not in the room and is there not not corny it gives me great joy to watch my eight year old eat that bread because I know how good it is and you know what Brian what I I think there's a theme that it's a it's it's happening cows milk cheese he's bashing about that one and the butter yeah yeah yeah yeah right it's on you e- cows grazed on I was so angry with did you watch and she goes no I couldn't watch world and and he goes Oh thank you very much for talking to us gang and I was like I can hear you don't on my plate some sort of of of no that's more of that bro Humor saying what are you talking about Congra- you are a fucking horrible person watch they put all her cows to death and then my buddy told me that when they slaughtered a cow mantra diet which is which is grass which is grasping let me tell you something you ain't you know how you know how what I can taste in stake and period racial I don't know what you mean I don't know I don talking well if you want to have a real conversation having conversation and other times I actually to protect this couch fucked up hey man you know what us rows have feelings to US ROMP and stomp and Homo Sapiens do a lot of fucked up things animals that we do but making whitefish whitefish excuse me friends did you what did you make yeah well we say I voided most bottom feeders shrimp is probably a little too fatty things clams oysters I didn't have much mostly I heard you say that I I heard you say pussy dress it used to be they would see their their brethren being killed and they would freak out and knew what was GonNa Happen Yeah some of that shit is off because they're not dumb they're not I just you know went vegetarian for a while but I felt like where near hair ribbon his penis we've seen that I've seen pictures actually one of the funniest things you've done on on text yes what they do is they have around shoot up near fun good I know that's why they haven't come around a curve shoots they don't know what's coming on like my cows to be happy right before death and then you and then dairy cows right and then you fed this to your child and I'm not making this up this some do go hey nothing he just grabbed a handful of self both thing all of the stuff and he had it wrapped up and twisted. It's the longest that I've done that grow do you grow I'm sorry Sir what was that did nothing and then he takes the camera pans down any has his his his bits squeezed hard twisted around your fingers Ed Gotcha just just a fleshy pink to red handful and that was very funny Brian thank you thank you a. and that could pigs crated here's here's something we're unqualified to talk about but hey it's a podcast and everyone is one watch the other two can eat it as a little unnecessary pigs pigs have heart attacks the pace being killed I didn't know that aw I have eaten pesca -Tarian before yeah and and I love meat right it's terrific stuff fucking love it and I love the game of football right but the more we learn about how what it does to the brain and the more we learn about just what it does to your body and all love pig I love pork Yup but I I am starting to feel shitty about the animals in a meeting telling you about my eating habits because you wanted to have a real you say having you lived on but then you said you said I heard you say Pussy dress in period you know and make more of this fake Shug meat that's just GonNa make me without a central nervous system right so they're grow they're going to grow meat that's going to be take Google Earth okay great galway comeback and now here we are what would be great is just some of that plant meet these fucking get in there it's really funny who makes these teams that's my penis question these young kids signing up for football will not be what it is to the I I'll tell you I played football all all the way growing up and and I don't think I would let my kids and I know a lot of pro football players who say that their kids are built for football and they're like no not soccer basketball the texts Chris and our other Powell Marshall Cooke and he's like hey guys what's up I'm in Minnesota probably where you're doing is you're always in Minnesota yeah just dresses one more time please will not the man keep going keep on it's all good it's all good into people maybe yeah but it's not a good idea as you learn more it's difficult to kind of go there might be other sport that's all I'm saying I said amazing sport sure it's a fucking America's better asked me you can get in labs and I think that'll be the future and I it's a little bit like this I was talking to my buddy Jimmy about this the more we learn I love the game of football acidity but as we bring about what it could duty are developing brain yeah I would imagine as we in twenty years no it's a wonderful place say Bra because that's where this weekend I'm Ray I'm in looming which I wouldn't be dome because I live nearby so your suggestion doesn't work there's this one kid this kid anyway it doesn't matter but he had his he had his head was smaller they just didn't have like a good helmet for them I don't care if it's if it's a hundred dollar fifty age on in a fantastic restaurant or you shared some sort of joke and then you laughed super did you pump your fist events is pretty cool okay well anyway I was eating seafood and vegetables I am that was Brian sends me an Kristalina and Marshall Cooke pictures of big kid but this kid he shouldn't even be fucking playing the sport it's a weird thing so yeah sorry you were talking about concussed cows the food is the more we learn learn to how bad it is for the fucking okay very about you want to see this is what I'm talking about the podcast we're not going to get into this topic because we don't know enough about it because this is our buddy yeah you know and I'm like a big you know I'm a big fucking kid I'm going to be playing football and it's going to be fine you know because right he was in a hotel room and he's like hey guys I'm just I'm on the road and Rivera and just want Tha oh jeez geysers a rat in here there's a rat and it's like a selfie video and shake in yeah it's like all the all the shit that that is you know that stuff that we're sort of rethinking now and football's actually really good example I'm a big I've always been a big one of the more daring they can I can say any second Bryan Bryan Bryan sends a third like that of a Woodpecker or ram or a fucking said that though you look at how big some guys are just built to run into people mark Sanchez was out here them through Brennan a couple of days ago yeah and you know Mark Sanchez was a quarterback and when I met him I went I looked at next to Brennan and I went yeah who looks regular size he looks regular size there and compared quarterback and compared to those other and I just remember the helmet rattling around on his fucking head and then him getting crunched up by me and some of the other fish or whatever and like literally be like Oh and we were six foot well he's ever been a six three and he is about to forty ten I went everywhere yeah and your quarterback Donovan Etienne Television but not good looking and really nice guy either the there we are that's what that's what you get on the play too much football off you get that was dude like just what oh you're six foot eight and your three hundred and eighty pounds yeah at under twenty percent body fat you can run the forty forty yard dash and how fast only farms and he said Yeah Not really then what would happen is you get factory farms I said what do you mean he goes because some families do it better than other families and also do you like as I don't know exactly what it is look a lot of times football and I'll just say it it's more about the social gathering because my buddies were coming over for years watching is a real hit and that rattled is now you know that there's damage being done does incredible athletes man you know our brains are anchored to the inside of our heads so yeah football might not be a good idea eaten boatloads of steak might not be a good idea and I can't wait until farms are and hopefully everyone can continue did you like paying for eggs and knowing that they're going to be roughly three sixty nine a dozen or do you like going to the store one day and having them be three sixty nine and then farming then that family over there for a thousand reasons and that family over there they go like this hey you you guys suck at making eggs we make really good eggs but I could use that land for it but I do understand how it can Sarah no and no I hear Ya I love football but it's interesting I think about the Peewee Shit like pee wee football I used to play right Oh you kill someone you'll yeah oh you till someone and you have a fucking bullying ball in your head that you can run into other people lightning it's how can I buy your land and take that over and then there'd be another family over there and they'd go let's just by their land to and they will give him an offer they can't refuse ah eggs and protein and grains being always the same price is because we are able to produce them in mass quantities so you'd have a family around he's got it got it got it got like I really like what where's this going got it Gotcha Gotcha a little all right well maybe I could run with a Democrat well what does that mean just that they would never do that governor what what are you saying well I'm just saying that was super efficient and you'd have another farm over there that just didn't know how to do it right like in everything in life some people are better more industrious more strategic smarter about things more talented you know what what what no no don't do it plead the same nicest bright and what are you wake up on tv I thought Oh marks just as good look India hundred two hundred pound yet about factory farming people go on it and I talked to my father in law who was saying he goes he's been in the food business and I was like we need to go back to it's also such a great game a game of inches and all that but when you guys crush each other yeah he was like Oh yeah go like this you go fucking hit but Dan work at what they do what they do well who am I getting everyone will be out of work and it'll be you know we we all ball fan but I've got to tell you it's been three years now haven't really been watching much of that's what I got into yeah I don't I can't exactly pinpoint meaning it's pretty fucked up yes so yeah football's logo up there who had ed TV logo was gone now don't put it up there yes TV going to the store two days later having be thirteen dollars to do you what do you like about that I go what was the reason that you you can rely on yeah they do it in the conversation has juice worth the squeeze absolutely in some cases does everybody gets the no the Canadian and people want to get you have to get food into a lot of people stomachs people die in the way you do that cheaply is sometimes you have to you have to do it and pretty soon you have craft right right right so yeah so yeah sources of this is just a lot of capitalist system this will happen over and over you know if you want to feed be dee dot com for the Best Damn C._B. 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534 - Your Mom's House with Christina P and Tom Segura

Your Mom's House

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534 - Your Mom's House with Christina P and Tom Segura

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So quickly free insecure hosting built in search engine optimization so trot out squarespace dot com slash mom for a free trial and when you're ready to launch us the offer code mom to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain scarface. Was We're back in in studio. This is actually our first time recording. Since the holiday we had bank some episodes and now we're back in studio Doing a fresh episode of Your Mom's House so excited it's been so long there's a lot to get into a lot of good stuff. Lot of holiday. Talk a lot of guys. How about gifts you talk about spending time with family people we? We've been traveling. Everyone's been traveling all over the the place. There's a lot to get into. Why don't we just start off real proper? Like and Do the show intro get into it all what do you think yeah mommy. I'm ready all right. Let's go let's go. Let's go here. We go scraping the bottom fault. What we the go to your mom's house with Tom? Sikora Christina Peculiar Christmas first of all. I would love to comment on your fashion upgrade. Okay your glasses are really cool. Well you know it was a I should say thank you for You got me these Gucci Glasses There were only twenty five hundred dollars. They feel like it. I feel cooler. I see cleaner icy crisper in fashion nods from April Yeah I posted these On the Graham And people were like wow man you really stepped up your fashion game and actually got me thinking too about Well the one Blue Lubin who who obviously helps here quite a bit produces the show. He went to Cina Overnight Keanae is that you guys say they say Chinese is can. I don't know how to say China In Spanish the CINA and they also call every Asian in person. Gino's it is It it sounds super racist when you speak Spanish. And someone's like Oh this guy's a Japanese Lillard Chino and your nope. He's not Chinese Japanese and look at. He's a fucking so But anyways you came back with a lot of really nice gifts like the hat that I'm wearing Did I mean I didn't know you went to spend so much money over and thank you for my my Pucci. Wow this is a maze yes beautiful. Yeah I mean you know all the all the factories are over there right everything at a wholesale type of discount. Everything's all and all. The factories are within a block of each other. Wow so you get like huge discounts. Yeah but it's not counterfeit or anything like that now no come Camman Tom. I don't do that these Gucci Shades. Those are Nice. Those are firm. No I bought them. I'm coming to the Gucci store at the Mall at our country club gray and I waited in line. They were in high demand. Really how much twenty twenty. Five hundred dollars so just cheap for Gucci looks great and you got gifts for all kinds. I was like damn the Davos spending out of control. I felt like if I came back with like supreme jackets gets an easy and Air Jordans like you know I feel like everyone needs to drip with me. Yes I like it. I mean it's not fun at the top hop by yourself. Nice Yeah I saw your basketball Jordan's they look really nice. Look exactly the way. They're supposed to the Nike swoosh is facing the right direction. All smooth all the way out and says Air Jordan on the emblem like it's supposed to cool. That's a really good off the back of a trucker anything. That's awesome man but I more most importantly and I'm sure what the listeners are curious about is we saw your dining habits on the grim. And and you're eating like a snake and all kinds of crazy shit. Yeah tell us about that. Yeah so When I went there so I went to go visit one of my best friends from college? Billy and You know he has a Chinese girlfriend and so they asked. What do I WANNA do when I'm there so I was like I WANNA eat hell? Yeah as the mainlanders I do and so they're like like what be more specific. I was like Kat dog's name and snake place for you cat though right now now we didn't have time for that. We only have two days. You wanted to eat that I was. I was GONNA eat like monkey like whatever they blamed from. Yeah I was GONNA try faces a death like I had. I had jelly made out of turtle. Shell just tastes like T- just taste fine and now we Because I saw your video on the ground on the ground on the ground. Yeah I saw on that. That could by the way that that first kid that we opened the show with that is the grandkids right. Yeah I I'm a fuck which you such a ridiculous kit but I saw the video of you on instagram. Walking like in the back hallway of an picking snake. Yeah so we go to the snake restaurant and like this is wild and she. You know. billy's girlfriend was like hey you know this has been around for twenty years which speaks volumes for replaces the turnover so quick really. Yeah so they're like if a place has been around for fifteen twenty years then you know. It's legit enough to withstand it like it has a good and they're not gonNA poison their community. You know what I mean like. They're not gonNA make people sick because they won't be around for twenty years it's a legitimate established so when we go there Like as a joke as I k- The going let us pick our snake and they're like I mean yeah we could probably ask they'll probably be okay with their. Oh this is like a real option so we go over there and you know it's three people me my other white friend Specify like that because we were foreigners we were foreigners and they've never seen white people in that room red haired really before that was the other thing people people in mainland China. Were not ready. Hurt my face for my hair pointing and laughing whenever I was hoping people would take pictures pictures with me. But they didn't have the courage to do that instead they just made eye contact pointed like this and then laughed and like I don't know what they were saying but it was with the inflection of sound like in Chinese to just just like just it's like that China before you went to Hong Kong. You probably picked up some stuff. Hong Kong Macau Singapore. I know that like in a lot of certain parts of the Asian world. You know blondes people will be like I was in Korea. They would take they take pictures kind of wait a minute white skin sure. Yeah what about. Oh so the snake. What kind of snakes constrictor? So they take us to the back and Actually if you go on my on my instagram you could see the video So there was they take us to the back and immediately. There's just a room. Maybe as big as is the set just lined with snake cages and snakes in there and I like Oh okay so these are like we're like these are snakes that are definitely safe to let did. It's a Cobra now. Multiple Cobras in the room and they just start immediately. Hissing and spitting cobras spit. Yes and so so. My first concern was making sure that they've been devised now and so I asked. I asked my friend's girlfriend like these have been denies right right. Like if they're spitting out there not spitting venom and then she's like I don't understand the question And then she asked them and like I just see shoulders from everyone like okay. Let's get out this. Spring has been poisonous back. That would have been such a crazy. Obituary died like Blue Room. Smell Lake has always been a little bit like a pet but so then they were like so you want this Cobra or do you want this more powerful King Cobra and so we're like how much visit there were like. Oh it's about like three hundred. Hong Kong dollars per kilo. Anton guardsmen. What's that an American It's about seven to one so into math about forty dollars a kilo a lot. Yeah it's a law firm for you know we're you're just going for a small type of snakes garden snake. It was it was like I mean. I don't want to sound like what everyone says but it tastes like chicken like if you've had frog legs legs it's kind of like that like you have to eat around a lot of bones and stuff but we had it served up two ways one because there was a lot of snake to go around. Yeah and it's half the price of Oh of the King Cobra. Yeah so we got winds like marinated in type of like oil dish. One was just straight up fried and then they took all the leftover blood and and they gave us Fried Rice that was Friday house. Next how would your friend. How long has he been there? He's been there for seven years now. Seven years yeah. But he's like a resident. Yeah he's he's a local. Does he speak well now. Yeah Chinese there's like being in mainland China and not speaking language. The first time I've ever felt like a foreigner in my life. And where is he staying. I mean like you know seven years. He's GonNa he's GonNa be there for an extra minute like I think he's trying to be there to stay either way but okay so most importantly most importantly you eat the snake. You have the blood in the rice. What are your Chinese? He's Brown's like well. There were great really because you know in America. You're all processed foods all the time that's what it sounded like coming out. This much bulk in my diet really lean. It came out. I had the best brown my life on this trip. Ronnie's he's like every single shit I had was was a banger. Everything was an all-star Shit. But were were bad didn't like my farts farting other people's People's browns. It did not smoke. It's about like a farm. I'm a firm and the toilets are different in the east. I think I found out the snake restaurant that they do not have have the same toilets as us. Yeah what they have holes in the ground now and I don't do that don't I've never been a squatter I don't know how to Like do a Slavic squad but everyone does it over there and I don't know how to do it like without completely taking my pants off. Otherwise you're just taking a shit straight into your pants. I don't know how to lean over interesting point like yet because you have to put your pants. I guess all the way down. But then they're touching then they're touching the shit floor which is also soaked soaked piss. Yeah and then you're squatting and then do they have a bar because I not in care to stand. They did that too. And Yeah and curious down. They put like two metal bars on the floor. So you could at least hold onto the bars and then shit in the whole. But it's it's fucking hard was good aim over there any skid marks or talk to your friend about the mainlanders shitting indoors on the floor like just no no. No you've heard about mainlanders. Yeah that was actually a thing thing that Hong Kong stop shitting on the floor. Well they're like what do you want to see in China and one of the things I wanNA see mainlanders in their natural habitat. I WANNA be. He pushed out of the way at a buffet line. We didn't get to do that. That'd been cool. I would have been like little. Show me someone sitting like at an. At and T.. Stores the shooting on the floor now in In Hungary and a lot of the eastern world they have these toilets where like when you take Brown it lands on a porcelain level level. You pull the the rope and then like water pushes your brown off that porcelain level and down. Did you have that toilet. Yeah these toilets violets. These Chinese mainland toilets were not built for my American but None every time I took a shit over there never did it touch the water. It was attack of the porcelain wall of the toilet wall. Hopefully the watt the water. The flushes are more. Powerful in China would say powerful flushes. Because is like I think. Every time I took a shit that should have left a skid like hey get sucked. I've had like Shit on an airplane where I got up and I looked and I was like. Oh Fuck. It's just like caked against the batch. How does it get kicked against the? Don't even notice that happen leaning leaning forward. Yeah it's just like you have your your your somebody somebody put it in like a big big like a spoon. And then the back as fast as they could and then airplane toilets are just they have fucking NASA technology like the same kind of like a suction and then it blows it out into the air. Don't you wish that when you flush the toilet on a plane it just dumped it out into the sky. The that'd be the best of course like I would pay extra to have that done altitude. He would just like freeze. uh-huh yeah turned into rock like open frozen meteor erred and just ruin. Somebody's life great. The when I was in Hawaii Tom. Yeah we even say. We went to have a new year's. Thanks for everybody. Who came to the shows in Honolulu? Maui Mahala and so what I mean. I've had them here on the mainland and they're rare and their special but I'm so mystified when it happens is do you ever get the foot long turn. I never looked so. I don't really know you're crazy that you're not looking at your browse allies. Never look what not once are you. Is this a joke or you being serious. I'm being a hundred percent series. I don't you look at your browns. You have to look to see that you're OK. There's not blend in the ball. nope I'm forty. I'm not going to start doing it. You never look not once. Sometimes I'll walk away and be like. Oh Oh there's still a bunch in the toilet forgot to flush I guess but I don't I don't actually shit look and then but that's your work like I'm so proud of my browns. I want to see what I've done. Travel like a feeling now. That's the thing that's deceptive about the foot. Long Browns is that they don't feel like there that long and so when they happen he missed a mystical thing. Because you're like that felt like a small tornadoes. Probably nothing and then I turn around like. Oh my God. This is an enormous Brown. Yeah well well. Speaking of Brown's you're just going to dismiss that I mean the dove. You've had that right where you're like. This is nothing and then you turn. It's like a longer. I mean my first shit off. The Planet in China was was that I thought I thought it came out like that was diarrhea for sure. Turn around and you're like Oh my God. It like folded over on itself twice. It was it was a good prouty. Yeah now what about our our problematic should make Gakkai or no. Yeah I don't remember I'm not tracking it anymore but You know more than once a month home more than once a month at least because I mean no shit November's over unfortunately but I don't know how many times though really yeah I mean I don't. I was talking about about drew. 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Hardy was chaos those experience experience of my life it was. We had no fun. Tom and I were I was ever been more upset. Hopping fucking a pima bend in whatever. What about taking my pills ZANEX? It was horrible. I spent a month preparing. It was the worst idea. Oh my God never. Here's what happened. We had a door ripped off because the kids were slamming it so much one of the safety gates for the dogs got ripped up. Someone spilled wine on our couch and then your Glass of red wine on our gray couch and then your sister who was ripped comes over and goes you have to put salt on it. And then she throws an entire box up salt on our cash empty salt I think. What whole container of souls? Like what do you do that I was like. Oh my God and then she meant for it and then other sisters like I cut out and I was like shut up so it was was like we were off the rails man. I wasn't good so I was so scared. So stressed out that you know I was so stressed out. I TAKE CBD at night we get into. This story is okay. This is the best so this is the night before Chris. Twenty twenty third twenty third of December. The cigarettes have descended on us I'm taking care of the kids and I come home. Oh that's the I did The podcast with rotary in Ari. Burt and so I'm with the kids. I'm trying to get the house ready. The the in laws are arriving. Everybody's arriving stressed out the gills. I you know drinking wine and doing this and that and I'm in bed and I think to myself I'm just GonNa do some CBD Abd drives like I normally do. I'm GONNA chill out. I'm just GonNa now to be clear that this up clearly you regularly take cbd with no THC H C right and it just is like a pre bedtime routine that helps you relax and go to sleep but it is free. I don't make it with various Degrees you can get absolutely no. THC You can get like just a smidge gradually more or you can go. You know what's the one I take. It's like no T H. Yeah I forget the name of it but yet has no macro so I get home around. You take your your oil. I pass out around eleven ten thirty eleven I got home around twelve thirty. Maybe one one. What okay because we started that? PODCAST HOD cat. This unbelievable we already flew in so we start at like ten PM and it just goes and how Rogan podcast sometimes go three the three and a half hours aired that one yet. Yeah that that went out like the next day but it was. It was super long and I remember that I was like I gotta go man We're were drinking and I got a new home and then I walk in the room and you're like Oh this is this is the best part is that I walk in and you get get up to go to the bathroom and you're just like you kinda like scratch my back. You're brushing your teeth at the guy. Go pay and like all right. How's The podcast? We just holy tormenting early normal and then I go to lay down in the bed and I'm like I notice like a lag in my vision like you know when you it's hard like you ever done acid before and you kind of move your head and you go wa Wa wa that kind of trail. Yeah and I was like that's weird and I just thought well. Maybe I'm still dreaming because I may be sleepwalking because I sleep walk as a kid and I thought I was in a deep sleep when you came in I thought maybe my brain sleep and this is what sleep paralysis and I put my head on the pillow. And I'm like wait a minute. This is my head is not working right something is wrong and my asleep instantly paralysis. Something's wrong something is wrong. And then you lay down next to me and I'm like I don't know anything yet. I just go like all right. I'm I'm so exhausted because you talked three and a half hours late. I'm tired so I lay down and then you I hear you go. Tell me something's wrong. I'm like WHOA WH- by spent I'm like what and she's like something's wrong I thought she's GonNa tell me like. We need to make sure plugged Christmas lights. I was like what she's like. I think I'm having a stroke. I was like what. And she's like I feel wrong. I feel something's wrong and she sits up. Oh my interns alight on them like because because you know like when you're tired and you finally get to sleep your body shifts down so I was like in that mode I was like now I gotta like I'm like wait. What do you mean? And she's like I just feel. I feel something is wrong with me and I was like she goes. I think I need to go to the hospital traumatic. Wait a minute are you talking. Well I'll tell you I. I wanted to go to the hospital because because I was so out of my head and I was like my thoughts aren't right and I and my vision was like fractional vision and. I'm like something's wrong. I think I'm having a stroke like I really thought that my meds were off and I was. I was losing my mind cause that you were really. I had read about strokes and this doctor was like yeah you you kind of are in like a facto vision world and I was. I'm having a stroke. I'm having it. Let's go to the hospital hospital. We gotta go to the hot water. I start weighing like. What are the chances that that's happening right now? I go I just like take a second. Can I go. Did you take anything. She's like took my CD. And I was like can I see it handed to me. And I'm like Oh this is the highest those thc CD that they make. And I go back. Did you take like a full vile this and she's like yeah I go I go. You're just you're just hi. You're fine I go. I know it feels like this. But everything's GonNa be out and she goes okay and she's just turns the lights off lays down and then a second there she goes no. Something's really wrong. No it's not go look it just feels that way. I know what it feels like. They want you to know I was a really good ring. They were real. 'cause here's what happened. I decided that night that I was going to put a little stink on my cbd game. Because I was so stressed stressed out. I thought I'm just GONNA take a little bit of the kind with THC in it just a little bit. And so I took a little dose and like an hour had passed and and I was like Oh this is like real chill so I'm just going to own like I took a bunch because it was the kind that Sami had given me from the comedy store. Tripoli and you know trips does not fuck around like he's always got those bags in the doesn't do gluten free. No I'm saying and so I just I would load it up and the reason. I panicked so much rich because I'd taken it like four hours before I'd woken up and trip so I was like wait but I took that shit four hours ago. How can I be this high from from four hours ago? And that's part and so in my head I kept looping like I think I'm going insane because I can't be this high for hours later and then I would go but Tom said I was okay and this is just drugs. And he's not a liar so I'm okay and then I would have a full panic attack. Where my heart would pan out of my chest and the adrenaline Alan full panic and then I would talk myself down and then I go on drugs? I'm okay. I'm on Tom's a liar. It can't be real and then panic attack I would have rolling panic attacks until about six. Am and then. I just got out of bed. Took care of the kids I was like I can't care the kids as high remember. It's like I can't take care of our kids. It was. Yeah Oh by the way the reason I feel like I knew what to say. Because I've been on your side of it all you want when you're that high. Is Somebody Cool and calm around you. You know you just want someone to be like. Look this is going to go away feeling so I kept trying to tell you like on you know because you can be a bad friend to somebody who's that high and you could be like you're probably gonna a die right now and and really make them. Go really psychotically high like you don't know how much time has passed. She don't know if it's one minute or ten years or third and at the next morning I was so grateful I was still high when I got up to take care of the children but I was so so grateful to you because you were my rock and if I had just woken up and gone P and you weren't there I would have been hospitalized like I would have called the ambulance. You really would have one hundred percent because I thought I'd forgotten that I'd taken the CB. I've forgotten and I was just like I'm just going losing my mind. It was crazy. Never taking shit that Sam Tripoli I mean dosing it was horrible. I did BIRT has a new TV series with Netflix. And I did I did an episode of it yesterday with him and Joey Diaz and it's it's I can't tell you details but I can. I can tell you that it's basically just an episode of Joey Talking and Burton laughing. Oh my God like literally. I don't know what I'm doing here except just being like a Gig ler because Joey just saying in saint you've seen the whole crew is going back back in the background. And he was like no no popping them in his mouth smoking the joint on the set and people are like is that how he is in real life. Yeah yes all the time yes. It's not an act. No no I can't get into any of the great. It is great though but anyways so the next day was Christmas Eve we were fine. We'd horrible time with our families just common. When I were dealing everything and then we finally go to Hawaii and it was great? We stayed in the room for you. Know we didn't leave the resort. Basically we stayed there. It was great order room service half time. And then we went to a a Luau which even that was kind of a pain in the ass for us to get added. WanNa go nobody anyway. You know I wanted to be room. I'd already paid a bunch to go and I was like fuck. I had to walk downstairs. Walk with my family but underwear on so were I like to use the thing man. You travel all year as comic. So it's like I just WanNa go somewhere and just sit still and things so like go on vacation. I am a sign up for this. Oh my God it's not vacation. I just want to sit in a room. I WANNA wake up at four. Am I want to go on a hike and and I WANNA go excursion across the island but I gotta say they do an amazing job like all the Hawaiians were like so friendly ass so oh nice you know. Super Outgoing always offering whatever help they could I mean even went to one of the shops there there and there was a there was a Hawaiian lady shopping and she was like. Oh you need to go see this like so friendly you know me. I was really like definitely. Are you one of the friendliest Ethnicities out there is Hawaiians because we're thinking about like who you want who who does good service with unlike the vacation world and I gotta say you know. Most of the time when I'm on the road you've ever been on the road and you leave your hotel room room and you see a white housekeeper yes and then you are. Oh I'm going to go back in a room and take my value because it's super super sketchy to see like yeah like a white lady. You're like you're in math like you know right away. That one hundred percent especially when they're like their shittier flight attendants. Oh the worst and happens in the Midwest a lot you'll see the White House keeper. I don't trust this bitch at all. You know what I was going to go to the gym him and take my watch off but I think I'll wear it for this although I will say when we were in London about ten years ago with Russell Peters and the the service people were primarily Polish poll. I liked that they were good. I enjoyed that I know because I was like. Oh my tribe is like kind of moving on up moving on out of the eastern bloc best customer service though now. No I'm saying best has to be I think in the Asian world you think so. Do you fly when I flew from Hong Kong Singapore. That's good yeah. I flew on Cafe Pacific. Not I know you're like oh Tom I I know I flew economy like fucking loser and Christ Day. Treat you with so much respect and like you just you feel like you're like you're like I know a piece of shit I'm in the back of this plane but they're like no you're not you're a real person so rare they treat you so well all over the place all over the place I mean. Here's the thing. There is a cultural Just aspect of respect in the Asian world right. It's bigger to respect your elders. Treat people with dignity and that his bleeds into not just those personal relationships but into their professional world into customer service so you just get better service service in the Asian world. Although I do like Mahyco I think there's a lot of great service in Latin America. Yeah I would say that's true. I mean you go to a to Saloum or a Cancun in in his lovely well you know why. Here's the thing. Latin America has a very distinct class system There's there's a hierarchy so people know they're like oh I don't deserve better. I'm here to serve you. I was born into. This is Chris and I'm your servant. I'm I wanNA make you happy. She's like Downton Abbey there on the the lower says the cut India India has cast asses. Yes yes percents in Latin America in that way you take pride in your work as being beneath you. It's very important. That's right which is is why they well actually no like speaking down abby right so there's the the owners and they have they're working class butlers and right and it's like it's obviously takes place one hundred and fifty. Plus years ago will in Latin America. It's still very common to have a maid. You know I love that. Live in what you're saying it's like the your your porn if you're born into this and you have a pair ear though yes not a servant no achieve what's it like in Israel is their servant class but are they the Filipinos Pino's Filipinos. TC ends third country. Nationals you go to. They have a budget. Filipino workers yeah like I know when I would go go to Israel. Most summers like my grandparents had Filipino. Like live in maid housekeeper. Yeah yeah that's like the working class or serving class also Ethiopians. I remember going to Peru as a kid and like even so I have a lot of relatives there and some of them do very. Yeah well and some of them. Don't even the like my poorest relative who didn't live in a nice apartment and you know struggled at by she had a four times a week housekeeping in cleaned cooked. And I'm like how do you have this and then my mom would just be like this is just normal here and I'm like why are we such losers that we can't have one in the United States. No it's too expensive like you guys got to get your shit together. Her and start doing better. This is embarrassing to come here. Have fucking meal's cooked everything's clean and then we go back home and you're like you pick it up and they so you get someone to fucking picking up serious embarrassing. I was like Jesus Christ I hear. Thailand is very nice that they're the best in the night. I've never been though you're good things about the tie. There's very kind Yeah yeah WHO's What what about in your experience? Would you like service wise. Oh I mean you know stick to what I know. Yeah Filipinos are really nice. Any type of Spanish trust them but I never whenever I go to a hotel Thing I learned this from my dad just always have do not disturb disturb on on the room and toy but I mean for long stays it gets a little foul actually in China In China whenever we stayed in hotels we would always put on. Do not disturb. Just because it's like I don't want people going through my shit. Yeah and they called us like hey. No one's cleaned that room in forty eight hours. He wants to send someone up to do it like no. We're good shirt didn't understand. What city were you in? That happened in Hong Kong. Such a cool city. Yeah you saw my boy dude. Yes the Danny Dude. Got Some Danny shirts. I can't wait to see them. John Really got the tracking number. Should hopefully be here in a couple of the. It's the best experience it's it's just like you go in there. It's a little like stall in the mall and you know at first. So they're like Oh. Who told you about this place I was like Oh you know Thompson girl told uh-huh Thompson girl I I was like I don't know if they actually remember him or not. Yeah but then they were like Oh yeah he was over here with two other. They were explaining. I need you to kill the documentary. Like oh that's when he was in Hong Kong and then like okay they definitely do remember him yeah and they just gave VIP treatment after they dropped her name. Nice man hooked my buddy billy up with the free shirts. Did they give you a beer. Be Dead Yeah just like you want something to drink. Unlike take a diet coke or cold water and the open the fridge like. I'll take that beer. That's in there. they encouraged us to have beer. There have a beer. I'm like okay. Yeah I will tell you who is not not. The Best Service is my tribe or Russkies cold as ice there's no Russian or eastern bloc. Nothing ain't legs fuck you you need. You need us more than we need a terrible angry. I don't like that kind of servicemen. That that's that's an Wide People Service. You know it's funny your Mom's side to me 'cause shadow and I were We got we will do this thing your mother and I were. We would drink every night at the house. You began with two nights and rotations every night and I would just let her talk basically because no one listens to her anymore and oh it was so cute. Because I'm like Charles. What kind of music do you like? What do you like and she goes? I like this Maria and should we listen listen listen to her music and And I go. This is love I go. Oh Edith. Piaf covers the song. It's a French singer same thing. We listened to Edith Piaf's version. It was much colder and more depressing and she goes that is because you white people have no feelings. They gringo has no feeling appealing. That's so true. She went into data. That's so true my tribe is not. We're not good with feelings emotion. Yeah lawf- Yes. Yeah that's why I love your your Latin cultures. I like it. That's right the real mama. Your Mom's house Geek back called your nuts I listen to these real adds new. Shan't what did that cost you walking a lot. We went to Dior right for makeup. Yeah and then she was like can I get the donut. Get whatever you want. Well so a good thing happened we did. We did one thing on our Vaca- is we. went to a Luau right. We must on New Year's Eve. Why has this Nice Soglo and easy fun? Relaxed kind of style. Doesn't have that New York Jew pace. My Dad said that I think just New York pace the New York Hustle and bustle. He's like you know what I mean. That's not how it works doesn't have that New York Fast Ju- pace you know it's cool. You know what I love about your dad and I've actually adapted from him is when he's done he's done he's like I'm GonNa go to my room. Nobody and he just gets up and he leaves. I love it I was same thing gotta go. I'm like People are still having dessert. He's like I'm done. I'm like okay. I did it remember at dinner when static cooked and people were like. Is Your Dad upset. And I'm like Oh no no no. He's fine he's bored with you so he left. That's what I do and I did at one night dinners and I. I loved it because I was over. It it's it really works every one of my roommates from college they'd be like your dad doesn't like me. I was like why why was talking to him and then he just walked away if he does that I grew up with that. Why did you walk away? He just wants to do something else. And not going to pretend to be interested still and you know what I love. Most about him is that he thinks Italian food is really foreign cuisine. And because I'm we came back from Hawaii go. What do you want me to make for dinner? I was cooking Sunday dinner at the House. And he's like American Food Christina steak cream sauce American style. I don't even know only person I know doesn't like Italian food. I'm serious does not like it. That's like a staple of most people's you know what I mean like dining were were cuisines. Cheering states US PASTA PIZZA. Yeah hates fucking traditional Italian dishes where you're what and he. He loves food. He's like. Don't like it that Greece Bullshit. GimMe doesn't he only eats American like He. He was eating like just Turkey and cheese sandwiches on toast the whole time but what was really interesting was on the plane. Ride home that the baby maybe was kind of farting a little bit and board. 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She should skedaddle because that's when they feed the elderly to the pig. They paid a frailes. Frowns I push them into a pit and the pig to eat it and it's better that they're old because the pay can snap right through their old bones so we went to the Luau was terrified. Have to watch it die and I was like. Yeah but it's an honor. You GotTa Act like you like it because it's an honor. You can't be disrespectful because in Hawaii it is it is yes it disrespectful. If you don't eat all the food on your plate or if you refuse like you're supposed to do that. So when we got the Luau there was the pig with Ted and everything and I made her look at it and she she created screamed and cried shooting even get to. We didn't actually to watch it die but they did have it. You know they have like the pig just like on a plate Dina grabbed or I want you to see something. Yeah and I got to eat the ear. which is the best part so okay? But best part of the Luau. is they have the dancers. I'm sorry what did they call those guys the dancers the mail. No they're like they do like a warrior dance. Yeah just like you know the squad and they're doing all this crazy aggressive. You've seen it before you've seen an insurance. Yeah it's like it's a cool thing but there was one and and they're all like pretty yoked it's called the Hakka academics They're they're doing. This Day is cool. But there's one dude. Oh my God who's like who's not fat that Israel their Rep. These boys are skinny. They've got six packs look cute. They're in good shape shape but he had full breasts. Not Fat pointed 's breasts like like a beautiful breasts like see caps and then I sorry to see people see it would look at people and they're like they're like he's accused. We couldn't everybody at our table was looking at his tickets. It's and when he was because then and then like people would be like. Oh 'cause you would see like sometimes certain hand movement you know like your chest. It changes moving. His hands would be up and you could still see perfect breasts. They were really nice to give for those tits. They were really nice and they were like nick. C. Cups at least like beautiful perfect size breasts. I know and everybody's like Oh. We'll see transitioning I'm like no it's not it would not be. I wouldn't be answering thing and you. I mean it's kind of crazy. You can stay. And we saw him in the Promo for the hotel. Yeah video his shirtless breasts. And what you didn't WanNa pick one of the other guys one of the titty guys to do the Promo Video. This is odd it was unnerving. Yeah it really gave us something to think about all night really so with the guy with the big beautiful beautiful breasts. It's so bizarre. God so bizarre yeah and then You know it was like our year end kind of have you know celebration with families so We got massage at the SPA which you never let me book us a well. We had appointments and then I went in person to the SPA spoke to the manager and I was like I know. My wife made Massage appointment I just WANNA make sure. This isn't a couples massage. And she goes did you say isn't exactly she goes. You have massage at the same time. I go right in different rooms. I don't know what you're asking me I go. I understand that we're coming here at the same time. I just don't want to see her while I'm here. And she was like okay. I I mean it's here's here's the deal man that we've been together for so long and I understand your reason and I'm not like I mean I I yes I would like if we could have a romantic couples massage. That would have been nice but it's always other people's reaction that they assume about to divorce or something. Oh Yeah 'cause they're like Nah Well I don't hide my disdain for it. Yeah I don't go like Oh let's go like no no no no no. I don't want that. And then the poor person it always looks at me like are you really what this guy like. Sorry we have two children. I can't leave every hit speak. Yeah they assume that something really abusive is happening because they're always shocked here. You don't WanNa do it. Here's why okay I really. I love the SPA experience and I really get into. I probably learn. Learn how to meditate but I get into a relaxed meditative state in those places. I really do I zone out before I like going into steam Marino and I feel like I'm not a talker right. I don't want that when you get a massage like how so. Where are you from horse? They if they struggle shut the fuck up so zone out and what I hate. Is that when you do a couples massage. You not only have to deal with your now. You have a second massage therapist purpose. Talking to your spouse sure but it's just another conversation and then you're hearing the and then whatever I make a house pressure for you and I WANNA go. Hey how about you shut the fuck up so I can relax over here. I'm trying to relax right so to me. It's not a he first of all. You don't experience romance in that situation. You're both face down in the hole right in their faces in the donut. Donut like you're not massaging each other. So how is it. How is it supposed to be romantic? Well your romantic. I mean it just is being the the same company as you. Would you know I just like to be around. You like to be around you. But it's like I feel like the way I like doing the thing where it's like you get your massage and then like hey. I'll meet you in the lounge. We could talk about. How relaxed several separate vacations? I'll go to Puerto Rico the Hawaii until week's pay sign me up seven email right now. Okay we would like no nice vacations. I'm going to Puerto Rico. I take a nap. Go to Puerto Rico now. One thing we did see two on our vaca- were these two large payers. The first day was spent debating like are they or are they friends they are they lovers. What's going on? You just see people at the pool and you see them or funding was. You're like I think they're just take what two six foot two three hundred and thirty pound guys with beards words just hanging out at the resort together. You know. They're like like they're two rows leg. You WanNa go to Hawaii chill with me. No these guys were lovers. I guess but they could've been they could've been like mid Westerners there large Canadians sometimes bear like okay. Well I don't know presume yet. So these two guys were Chicago. Were there yeah the hanging out on the beach. They're both like ginger to yeah really fair skin which Hawaii that shit tell you that place cooks. It's New Year's and it's eight degrees out. You're near the equator. You know it's a strong sun. These guys and these guys were like just lathered up eaten fucking burgers and biscuits by the pool. You know they were just like getting a little son. Go back at a good fuck in. Well that's the thing because once we decided they were gay and are decided it was like you look at people on vacation and like like we saw this really hot girl with another guy and she was dressed like Appalachia and like a chain a gold chain bikini like that game. mm-hmm yeah because I was thinking about those those two bears was like you know with their game like I imagine that their head game is so strong. Yeah you know like because there's such again in each other's asses all the time you know how big they are how much they shit how much they eat. It's like let's just blow each other in college night. You know that they've been giving blow jobs for thirty plus years and like aggressive ones do dudes and they wanNA fuck income. Every day they have a kind of IFFY head game. I guess I'll put it in my. It's just always you know lots of spit lots of ball suck and aggressive and and also just only giveaway. If you're getting close your eyes you're like man that beard keep feeling that beer. That's what I was thinking of. If the facial hair hits against the testicles or does yeah it does and then like guys like come all over my fucking mustache. Yeah but how how much food and Shit Shit and come there must be in their vacation week like it's crazier than ours. Its Way crazier than ours. Oh yeah every day. Yeah every day they wake up and they beat they blow in the morning or are they doing a dinner. They're they're eaters so they're lows gets his food going and then they eat first and then they get blow jobs not smart but what they do. is they eat. They shit they probably shower. Blow go to the pool eat some more take another shit poolside. Right take the pool shower blow again take a nap APP. Wake up blow go to dinner. Three bedrooms full funding. That's a full day of blowing and shedding inning and coming and drinking. Yeah drug me enough. You know I go on vacation like that if you just look. Here's some heroin to get you through the week. It's going to be rough but do do it do the vacation. We're dues or drugs drugs involved. My God I think I would. Yeah must be would engage. Aw Aw that's what it's like a week a gay male cruise. You've got to be the best and then this is apparent in question question this might bleed into where moms at a little bit but is it wrong. Is it wrong to teacher for the if you're in the pool already and they have to p. Is it wrong to be like just pee in the pool. Yeah I mean nobody gets angry I think they do know they do any and and kids you'll be like and they got him out and I was like because that was the first time I was like. Oh we've been teaching them wrong because it was like just being here pee in the pool. It's a pool house like ups I do all day. I know and then get out to appea- rain but but then you that's when you realize you're wrong because you keep seeing these parents like let's go to the bathroom and you're like why are you taking him is. He's gotTa Shit. Nobody else was like I said to you. I know that's at our house though. This is a different place. What nothing just keeping appea- now right and you're just say it's allowed? He Wanted To pee on the side of the pool like Oh take it was like the lesser of two evil choices. Yeah just people. Yeah Fuck. Yeah we gotta take. We got to teach them now. Hey got to get Out And pee in a toilet. He's going to be so confusing. Yeah so there was that that was a good vacation and then we came back and your parents stay with us for a couple of days more and you bought the head Tingler. Oh my God I had a. I had one of those flashbacks of remembering the multi pronged. Yeah those are so good and I hadn't I hadn't had one in years and I. It just occurred to me I ordered on Amazon's six bucks and those are the best came in the house and as I pulled it out in the kitchen amount was like oh do to me and I was like okay I started doing right. She was like It was like I started to like I was doing what I was like my face. Like why are you still be as you're making these grow sound fees Google was like shut up. It was so gnarly. I've never heard her do that before. Even I was like Charlie you have to stop throw up. Yeah well she'll do that for like shoulder hurts. And you're like all right grabbers. Yeah you stop making this noise disgusting. It's so gross. She does it with food to which so disgusting like just just hold it in. Everybody likes these things but we nobody has like or gas to make debts law. fucking gross is gross. Especially when it's your mom and now you're busting my balls on the way here for my big Pun Song. Oh my God is so hard. You're like what do you relate relate to in this song I'm like it's a good song. I like them the music then the lyrics kick in and like. Why don't you go ahead resolutely? Yeah can you scroll up a bit because the part that I really stood out more and more about the the buildup here. This is nuts. I mean okay here we go trust. No no one got beef buster gun. You don't need no one talk about that you owe him. I'm I'm a go for Dolo scarface with a Perot. No no I don't even know what the fuck that is. Go up but he says he goes. That's the whole song. No no you gotTA. Can we get the the whole lyric. They're the part that always I'll I'll talk and do it off the top of my head. He goes it's definitely on. Just make that bigger if you can. Yeah go ahead start because in custom code you can catch me in the cherry red one fifty got the got the glitzy locked in the stis. -I pop the CA- lizzy go and sixty. Ah Down a one whizzy drunk pissy trying to cruise through the avenue while my peoples is popping bottles up in. Sue's rendezvous and I'm like what part of this shit is fucked up on the U.. We lost the HUBCAP. Yeah I get the sounds good but I started listening to lyrics and I'm like wait hold on I want WanNa keep going. And then he goes. But it's so hard which I I relate to that okay I gotta and then it says big words Wanna F my wife Right. Where's I don't see? Where is it want to be like? Are you WANNA be done. But they don't bust they gun is so crazy NIGGA WANNA back my wife. Lana take my live. Live is so but it's our work baby. I just lost one hundred pounds. I'm trying to live. Yeah that whole era like what. That's my wife I paid for them. titties get your own your own your own like Tom. Wondering you listening to like you relate to that stuff. Song is so people the view or why he died way before his time because he was super humongous and he was You know he's a crazy addict but that dude's really talented. I know I like the sound of the song I'm not saying. It's a good song but then I listened to the words. ewards WANNA take my wife and we're GONNA take my life but it's so I'm like what are you listening to this. Does this sounds crazy. Big Words Yeah. What is your your name was again and I know you from where elementary school? I don't know you. May I guy like that part. Actually you ain't fucking my. It's a good song though. It is a mean it is a to me. It's like also like for most people that's the style gic. Yeah actually you know that takes me back to the mall being twelve years. No Sophomore Year in college. Can you look up when that song came out. Because I'm going to guess it is like like nine hundred ninety nine knowing ninety eight or ninety nine. That's my guest. It's so hard big Pun. It's so hard hit that. Oh is it two thousand. Oh He's Puerto Rican. Okay it peaked. Say Like the release day. Oh all right well. It was Kinda close march thirtieth. A lot of your music is so aggressive. Those you know a lot of it is being in the car are and I just hear like a nice beat and I'm like Oh this is kind of cool and it's like book bitch and words Stop Stab a bitch suck my debt. Jesus what is this off off so angry about. You gotTA listen to this. I Like I can't listen to that stuff. Man It hurts my soul really want to hear this stabbing shooting shooting killing and fighting like no what I'm saying I'm I'm listening to fucking ha ha. Well that's that's what that I asked you know. I'm trying to get inspired but I like it. I know you do. I know you do this. Episode of Your Mom's House brought to you by whoop. Check it out man. I am so into this thing. If you don't know whoop their longtime partner. 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It asks me to list a few items that I would be interested in somebody again for me. I participate now me. No one is price as I am. I don't fucking put down certain Shit for fucking reason. Tell me why some Dong contrary bitch decide to go and buy this this. How is this this? If you're listening it is a a bottle of Cologne with like Yoder and spray and a moisturizer called black classic match it is a knock off of the Polo brand. Even has an emblem that is similar to it and it's nine ninety nine knowing the eight well not the fuck is this classic match offers version of fucking Polo. Oh My fucking God. What is she wearing the real grew? Where do you find that? I don't think so. No I will win. No Shit like that not pass. Why you mother fuckers? Every morning good as a son of that make sure you pass affairs the creative breeze I I this sick on black classic match to create a breeze. My God I love you gotTa get more people upset about their gifts really great. Well I think to her she you should not have left the price tag on. No that is like if you're going to play the game and and go for as well to buy black classic Mac is Shitty to leave the price tag on black classic match is there. You got to shoot a mother fucking gifts. It wasn't God damn showered with Jaylen Bathing Shit Spray Shit. Oh Oh what fucking Shit. Nobody here ignorant. I S STUPID ASS to Walmart. Got Me a ex. Got The bug man the Holy Shit. Well he's right. At least the motherfucker now season two big giant not to be bucking retarded man man. I didn't know that was in there. Bulkin retarded Tis the season. Oh my God he does have a point though because when you're doing secret Santa there's a price cap on the gift you can buy. And let's say thirty dollar cap and you spend thirty dollars and then someone gets you black. Classic Madge for Nine Ninety Eight. That's not a if they're exchange that is a total rip dude. That's not then. Why play the game? You know it's fucking fucking season that's the best are wordy and when he says. Okay Fuck and retarded. Ah Use I like the also the messages of support you you know people like chime in and give. Ll's and stuff. I love what I WANNA do. You want to accomplish massage. Well sort of it is something a couple can do right right now. Like a subcontractor. Just a professional handyman our free time. We'll play board games. Listen to Disney Music Arts and crafts hollering worrying Michael full-time baby girl. Aw baby girl. Michelle prefers to spend her day dressing and acting as a toddler living a fetish more commonly known as D D L G which is own about Kinky age play. You guys are single. What happens if you take a girl out? And she's like I wanNA play. DD WANNA be a little baby. And you'd be my I work call just you fake it work. Where call the office no matter? What time do you really do that? I've done that you have you said like. Oh He's got a message. I gotta go to work. She's like it's Sunday afternoon. I'm like We got deadlines headlines. What about what about? It's a hot. WHO's the high girl now? What's her name? GimMe Gut check. I don't know Margot Robbie. It's a hot hot chick. Then you do it. Yeah Change Your diaper. I want to change your diaper. Make potty in my mouth right now Potter wipes my tongue here. I love right stands for Daddy's girl her Daddy Day care. I twenty four seven. You would a child. He's my daddy and my protector and I need him. I these people do not have children now. Imagine you would view this though and respond to it if she were hot right. If she didn't look like a garbage pail. Kid think that you you would have a different reaction. It's Gal Gadoe. And you're changing her die and she's got a full and you're wiped seriously. This isn't a game. This isn't something that we're just putting on a front. This is who we are. This is what makes us happy. This is we'll okay. Let's let let's breakdown. Who's more disturbing to you? The girl who wants to be the toddler or the man who wants to be her body. This is why white white people are terrifying. Because this guy embodies this is a representative of like remember we're talking about the white Cleaning in crew tells yes. It's people like this who you're like they're gonNA fuck up my shit. This is a guy that will rob you beat you. He won't even He. This is a psychopath path. For sure this guy this is true this is this is a result of too much freedom too much liberty in the world. Do you know what I'm saying. Like when you're just on your top of the top of the heap and no one can fuck with you. You're like I'm a daddy dumb. And this is my baby toddler and we play chutes and ladders. Because no one can fuck doc with. This is a reason to encourage dictators. Yeah you play something like this and you go. You know what you should kind of. Stop Down on some of your people. Yeah and these these are the people you start with. Yeah I mean well. Here's my concern. I mean it is a little pedal Phillix in nature is now little. Yeah yeah this is not about adults during adult stop. This is where it's getting blurry because you're like what is he into is he is he. Is He sublimating. The real desire found the loophole. Yeah loophole is like you can pretend to be a little baby kid. 'cause I can't get a real one without jeopardising them which I guess in some ways is a positive if you're going to have to find a silver lining don't know of course we're GONNA get a million email do this all day. I am baby girl every day almost all day from the time I wake up until a few hours before I go to bed. I'm in little space. It bubble bath army bapley traffic and then when does he hang you. Why are you you still? It's mostly fun and Games bought when Michele Misbehaves off repercussions in this world. Look at this mess. What the behavior behavior chart is as I get three check marks day green for good behavior yellow or red for bad behavior and based on? How many do you Have Daddy sets out a punishment or he. Let's kick out a reward. Well I'm looking for parenting tips. Does that work. I'm such an idiot. I'm like an and is a chart. Did they behave better. Because I it'd be interesting. Implementing this system in our house and they have our kids. Don't listen of punishment gets injured in the came. Now I'm not into that is is this for real a bit. Now it's from Bar Cross Everything that I that I've gotten from them has always been because we played one. We played one Like a month ago or something of the dude that said it's not sexual. This is just something that we do to pass the time. No No. I'm saying played a video that people reached out and said Oh. This was a bit joke. It was the I think the English construction worker. That wasn't real. That was actually a bit. That's what I was told. I got a message then a number they seem real. They seem deserving kind of the chart and all that nonsense I mean this is also so hard core like their nine or of playing sometimes Friday nights. We can't get up. She's like I wake up every day. He gives me a bath. Will this dude also has a tattoo on his chest. That that says daddy dom little girl like thinks Di di Di di L. G. L. G. tattooed it on his chest that's really is. This is not a game easing the lifestyle. He's got that Nice throat piece too nice throat ten Yup. I grew up in a very disciplinarian household when I was a kid. I took a very strong interest in the spanking aspect Something clicked in my head. And I'm like this is what I like. I've always liked to be in charge. I like to be the boss. I think I was born for this cabot with a little girls. Look at the only part that creeps me out is that she's not an adult space. Or whatever I'm GonNa make you cry. I guess it's legal settling man. Yeah thanks guys. What are we go to our eight visit? Is it on sure. 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BTS #32 Mark Scialdone PhD on Cannabis Chemistry History, Hydrogenated Cannabinoids, Science and Art

The Curious About Cannabis Podcast

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BTS #32 Mark Scialdone PhD on Cannabis Chemistry History, Hydrogenated Cannabinoids, Science and Art

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VISIT CAC PODCAST DOT COM to learn more about the curious about cannabis book. and. Get ready to take your candidates education to the next level. A Merck Show Amelia PhD organic. Chemist. Who? In the cannabis industry. You're listening to the curious about cannabis podcast. This episode has been cut for time. To listen to the full conversation visit Patriot, dot com slash curious about cannabis. Everybody. This is Jason Wilson with the curious about cannabis podcast. Thanks so much for tuning in once again. So today, I am really really excited to have this guests that we haven't known each other for very long, but we're already getting along so very well. So I know this conversation will be really good but I am with an organic chemists that works with avenue in the canvas space Mark Sheldon mark thanks so much for being willing to carve out the time to come on the podcast today. You're welcome. Jason Thank you. Totally. So Mark has been kind of indie new circuits more recently for. A patent that he's been working on for what's called hydrogenated cabinets and we'll talk in a little bit about specifically what that is in the process and the implications for that. But before we dive into all of that Marcus has a very interesting fascinating story that I really WanNa go through and build up to. Where we're at now as far as the attention that you've been getting and then talk about where you're going. So do you mind describing to our listeners a little bit You know first of all a little bit about the work that you do and then how you've gotten to where you are right now. Sure Jason. So. Currently serve as the chief science officer for company called. Our brands were company that owns several different brands, the cannabis face of the. Ranch dot. COM See. The different. Brands and probably familiar with those if you're in states like Colorado. California. We're in states now like Oklahoma and. Florida. State near you. The rest of the industry. So I had the a science and innovation piece. You know leveraging. By expertise across all of our products, just to make sure that our products the best they can possibly be in. Everything is You know underpin by could science and that's like to hear hear. Absolutely. So So yeah, that's sort of my current role I had previously consulted. My company is called Better Cam Consulting, and I had done work with. More than a dozen clients and as many states to get them operational mostly around the processing stringent formulation. Piece. So. as you know that's there's a lot of science in there. It's not it's not. It's not just making water hash anymore. So yeah. It's been a really interesting few years you know working with many different clients? and. The industry. As. You know there's been a big move people aren't just. You know smoking cannabis anymore. Consuming oils. Fake pens and process products. That me administration method you can think of right right. So with that change in the industry has come, you know wanting to understand more about extraction in. The allegorical methods that underpin making high-quality extracts that are safe and efficacious. Yeah and one thing I really appreciated about when we were talking before the podcast started about kind of your philosophy behind the work that you do, it's very much about bridging these worlds of science and technical mastery, but also art and and and really mixing these these things together. So can you speak a little bit about? kind of where that passion comes from of not just focusing on on this highly sort of technical perfection of of science, but also integrating that artistic mastery as well. What We're comes from I think I. Probably blame. Endless hours of playing with legos. Me Too. And this is before it was like spongebob legos or star. Wars. Box of colored bricks that you just kind of together. Very non linear thinking applied to being creative with you know any number of elements you have you can put together in your own way so that yeah. I always draw between science and music, which is that you know. You really have to have a deep appreciation for what's been done before you. That's an art that's appreciating are appreciating the masters listening to Beethoven and and looking at really the people who have basically take nothing. And put it into this new thing called art, and so that's what chemistry is in many ways because. There's a lot of chemists that evening avenue in chemistry that basically have already worked out a lot of details and so what we can do from here is develop really a solid basis of understanding of what's been done before you and ain't that input into your self internalize it in the way that you play with legos in a non linear way and you can pick either new things that cause you can draw from different. Different you know when it is. You know again, the beach boys drew from Chuck, Berry's drug from Louis Jordan. The slave chance in the fields I mean. Everything builds on everything that happened before it. You know there's life before the Beatles there's life I of the Beatles from how many rock bands will tell you. Well, the reason why we got in this was the Beatles well. I read Professor Meshulam's work I'm like man. My John, Lennon. Let's go. Yeah There's so much work that was done prior that it's really difficult to do anything new if you really don't have the grasp of where that current frontiers and so I, think that way with art. With music I think the way that you deal with how you express yourself in your art your music is uniquely you. Based on your experiences in how you think about solving problems. Yeah. Man I love that. Yeah I. I. Love Legos. In such, we such similar backgrounds in certain wake remember tinker toys. Yes. Tinker Toys. Toys I mean you take with a right I have a one, almost a one and a half year old daughter now and I keep telling my wife and Mike Okay. When can we get the tinker toys like I'm reading like I just WANNA I wanna see you know she's already working with like you know the giant legos I don't can't remember what they're called but the the big versions for toddlers and stuff and and you know with blocks and seeing her you know that that creative process of like Oh I put this together makes this. Oh, I destroy it, and that destruction element to is such an important part of Progress and success too and I'm sure in the lab you've probably experienced many failures on your way towards understanding and improving and everything. I've I've talked about this before on my first experiment my first experiment was a total failure I. A Gilbert Chemistry set if you're old enough. Nice. Case you know then falls open and it turns into your little laboratory with test tube, Brag, and the alcohol lamp and a female. Think booked right and I was just learning how to read which sells you must be like first or second graders. Right, around the same time I was playing with legos right and I didn't have patients to read the book. So I just started adding every two to. Nothing happened right and added the feeling fairly indicated well, nothing happened so. Alcohol we'll get something happen here you got a pack of matches for leaker. Number Mac. Right and I lit a match and I was downstairs and basement. My mom was that because when you light a match how she could smell. Said something's burning. So she came downstairs and I lit out hall up and I was cooking that stuff and it was bubbling embroiling. Stairs must have turned ever. So slightly to see who is coming down in which you did I get hot spot test tube at all that Stugotz flew out onto flaming shot this. And it singed by Hydros. I never remember or never forget this mellow burnt hair from my first experiment. And she came down she said you chemistry that's your over. That's it. You were supposed. I'm supposed to read some book I just. Talking. Yeah. Totally. Well, I mean that's that's the thing though is you you can't. Whether. It's no matter what it is. If you WANNA master something, you can't be afraid to break things in dive in I mean you know I mentioned before the started that a lot of my background other than biology in analytical chemistry work. I've done everything is in technology ninety and stuff I mean. Growing up is the same way I My parents would have devices, Betamax machines and later VCR's. Computers and Stephan. You'd better believe I was taking those apart and trying to put them back together and I broke a lot of things on the way. If every experiment works the way you think it's going to work. You'RE NOT GONNA learn anything new by running. So what are you doing running? You know? You have to do new things and as has to be based on again standing on that solid scientific foundation mean the papers I opened in my own research are that of Meshulam wallner Roger Adams I mean this is the. Research and it's been pure reviewed literature you know that. You know other scientists looked this. This isn't just some. Twenty thing that may not be right or may not be. And that's I think part of what we need to transition to, which is that there needs to be more adenoid researchers doing more research and publishing more stuff. So yet genuine new journal and other journals hopefully are to make some of this research accessible for for people. So that's good. Yeah. I think. So and I'm excited to see the The prevalence of open access journals to because something that I'm sure you can appreciate coming from an academic world that it can be so frustrating once you leave a university and you lose your library subscription and everything in your like what I have to deal with all these pay walls on paper that like my tax money helps fund a lot of that research in the first place others I'm I'm excited about this push by so many researchers and scientists to try to start making research more accessible to the public and to expedite like. you know open access peer review processes are becoming really popular to anyone can see while who who was on the Peer Review Board and what feedback did they give and how did the paper change and I think all of that is so useful for us really moving forward at an accelerated rate of progress you know to to have that transparency which is really exciting. So these new cabinet wait science journals like a was Ca- cannabis and cannabinoid science one, and then the one you referenced the Indo Cavanaugh Wait. America. Journal of okay. Right. Yeah. I mean it's really it's key to be able to make these things accessible like you said, because if people have to pay like thirty bucks or something like that, you know what they're gonNA, do they're gonNA pirated some power temblor gonNA get a pre. anyways. So just make it accessible. Yeah absolutely, and and going back to this idea of mistakes I wanted to touch on something that you actually taught me. That I was unaware of which is that Meshulam may not have been. The first person that his team may not have been the first ones to isolate thc. Yeah. Okay. So this is a little bit of A. A seventy seven controversial subject. First of all, I take my hat off to Professor Mitchell who shall jet v Logo Prize in medicine before he too long I know that he was actually nominated for at least the year before last the discovery of the end of now system is hurt with worthy of healthwise medicine because of the research that are and make no bones about it I mean the National Institutes of Health he says is this movie has now said that the ADENOID system underpins all human disease, all human disease. So the end up canaveral it system is the body's own pharmaceutical companies. And the Pharma companies don't like that. So keeping it nourished and I was to your your thing with Ethan, you know the whole notion of. Endo can deficiencies really starts to put adenoids into the same realm as vitamins as things that we need on a daily basis intake into our system because unlike most antioxidants that we take in. Your water, soluble the escorted leads and whatnot. These are fat soluble antioxidants that deposit themselves in the issues of your body end up helping from reactive oxygen species that were 'cause radical mediated damage. So like it or not just like many people said all cannabis use his medical because you're getting this protective effect of these fat soluble antioxidants in the fatty tissues, your body including your pancreas in your brain and. Yeah I and other things like this whole people.. Rediscovering Turpentine. turpentine anyway to a chemist is nothing new and I really enjoyed your especially with Jackie. Say interesting with gene is like when you when you look at the bio synthetic pathway to the monitor beans, what you'll see is that. Oh pyro phosphate basically ionizers and loses his pyro phosphate group which makes Carboni my rights you have. So my worst. Floods. At Right. So, your I in their originally is gets de localized over the framework to make. The Lion I and and their several faiths that the lion. Cat. Lyman. If, you start to make pining set way champions. When the livening up Tanai migrates from the from the tertiary position into the ring, you make the genes in the savage. And So all this chemistry just. From one little molecule and all, and all the varieties of cannabis have different levels of expression of these turpin synthesis. Create the molecular easy were or Blacula frame chair or whatever you WANNA molecular easy chair. That's what I wanted. Yeah, basically coax these different transformations to happen in. So yeah, I really enjoyed your discussion with with Jackie era through Jeanette really interesting to see what she's GonNa do with Chris in this new. Venture psychedelics I mean that's like that's the next frontier. Really. Lee Is. Yeah. It's I lip psychedelics next. It highlights the so much to loop back around on here but just to go off of what you just said. This. Expansion into psychedelic research I mean it's it's definitely connected to all of the CANNABINOID research. It overlaps. There's a fuzzy barrier there of where one ends and the other begins and really. The thing that's unique about psychedelics is it just gets you into this world of working with nitrogenous substances and other things that get beyond these kind of more simple fats. The athol means and so. The word work of of of. Alexander Joachin. Alexander Shokhin Sausage his two books. I mean certainly there's so much work. It's been out there. That's been done and yeah, we're these two worlds meet is Caesar. Bowl. Yes there they are. Those are two seminal texts that any PSYCHEDELIC chemists needs to dump into my copies upstairs. But we're my thought was going on. This is that these are two different sets of biological receptors that are happening in body that happened into brain a lot and so. How they play how how they work and how human diseases is is can be combated like we're doing this really interesting study that Grassroots Sunken on the delivery of CBD. Into, brain of mice using a trans nasal. Delivery back into something. Versus a group of Dr William Fray from the health partner up at the University of. Minnesota has developed this methodology for treating Alzheimer's Doing Trans Nasal delivery of insulin and we were doing this with both CD hydrogenated CD. We'll talk a little bit more about that later but we want to see where's is he go in and ultimately be used be used in this effective way because they know that this is a great way to get things through the blood brain barrier. One of we really want to do with that technology is trying to deliver the tabloid assets because. Conventional wisdom that you need to be our oxalate. Avenue it's into the Pasta blood brain. Barrier now using this. Trans. Nasal life is almost delivery use a Calico Trojan horse you slipping. And in a Trojan Horse opens and maybe a way of empowerment. Drug delivery is really really fascinating thing when you apply to canal bridge, there's a whole bunch of opportunities for and we're starting to look at that. Yeah that's that's super super exciting in it. It just makes me think about you know think about how far can navigate medicines have come like I know recently Dr L. Solely from the University of Mississippi published something point out that they had come up with these. Basically these THC eyedrops for Glaucoma. So to try to get localized administration and that's that's become a big thing. Now, Mungala research localized cabin administration. How do you get the canal to go to where you want them to go without going everywhere else and particularly with thc because you're trying to limit the you know euphoria whatever for. US for that and trying to treat it as being is, but you don't want to get high. Isn't. It's about limiting side effects. Really. He's like you want the targeted effect that you want and and try to minimize everything else. So that's that's super fascinating. I WanNa make sure we. I don't I don't necessarily mind that side effects either but I do understand that. For the teacher who has to stand up in front of her class. ADENOID medicine the bus driver or somebody who can't intoxicated at anytime. Absolutely. There's need for that. Yeah. Yeah, and and looking back around because we didn't quite get to in order to make sure we do so about the THC discovery. So we talked, we alluded to that the story behind the THC discovery is a little more complicated than it's than it's publicize la times and we don't want to take anything away from Dr Meshulam because the work is done is amazing and I agree with you it would be a huge travesty if he does not receive Nobel Prize especially before he passes I'm he's in his nineties now and it's just like He. I just wanted to see him alive. We believe you have to. We have to give it to before he passes but Yuck. yuck otherwise, it would be you know possibly someone else on the team or whatever in just want to see him recognized for the the gravity at work. But that all being put aside for a second, let's talk about the late eighteen hundreds because what you schooled me on because something I just didn't pay attention to and it highlights the importance of really reading research articles critically. it's generally and I've taught this. It's generally expressed that CNN was one of the First Avenue Wade's isolated from cannabis CBN CBD, and then thc in the sixties, but you have a different perspective on that. So do you mind sharing? Details on absolutely will thank you, Jason. So this is actually the subject of Short article that contributed to the American Journal. And a tabloid medicine that's coming out of the next issue, which is enjoy I believe. So you'll see that I'm sure when you're when when it comes out we. Posted on your social media of Yeah But. So even if you if you go to the literature and you look what you'll find is that Yes so Isolated THC at he correctly used Anamar which was a new technique at the time. To correctly, elucidate the structure. So so wrapped piece I is the correct structural elucidation of Delta Nine THC. Now, he did it by taking hostage. On chromatographic on a column, and then he made a crystal derivative of what was still kind of like a not completely one hundred percent pure Michigan but when he made crystal and derivative. Can do with highly crystalline delivered to derivatives. Like CD. For example, as you can do multiple re crystallization and when you re crystallize something, you can really re crystallize to ninety nine point nine, nine percent period well then what he did is he took the took the group that made that thing or crystalline molecule chopped off and any short path distillation where we recorded the the oiling point of one, hundred, Fifty, seven Fahrenheit and an a vacuum of point zero, five tour. Well. If you look at Meshulam's paper from nineteen, sixty four, that's Jack's communication were records that again years structural AH techniques that were unique in nineteen sixties. Researchers back in the earlier days just didn't have. And so Roger Adams is probably most notably a the discoverer of the first person isolate CD an isolated from a wild house. At, if you go to Adams literature and this is wonderful. Any chemists WHO's interested in this reach out to me I could certainly make sure we can get you this literature arena. He published a series of of eleven papers in less than two years between nineteen, thirty, nine in May, nineteen forty one on all of his work that he did on the isolation of teed see and the isolation of of of CBD. Now it is work and people who work before their. What they did. I saw him rise the double bond from nine to eight. So if you look at, if you look at Adams's patents from one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty one which will see is that they have the Delta Ate Ice Mercer. Incorrect assignment of where that the Hoban was and it's totally understandable because as soon as you stare cross side of that double it Delta Nine, the dump to eight in Raphael Method recipes math was so mild that it was no I saw mors Asian and because there was no association, he correctly elucidated dealt nine. That's Raphael I. But if you look at the prior were anders notably work by. Who published more abors in the early thirties? Who really looked at 'em when you find Han then you find the guys from eighteen, ninety six because he references a paper from Woods Vivian Easter `field published in the Journal of the the Journal of the chemical. Society Right. The Brits thought themselves. They were the. Or are. The Chemical Society and so in that paper in eighteen, ninety six, they had gone over to India at. Taking charge which you? Traditional form of oil or resonance exited from cannabis, and they extracted and distilled it, and if if you know about the path distillation or vacuum distillation is like if you lower the vacuum which means you're pulling a stronger deeper vacuum running less heat to boil that liquid. And the temperature of which appear liquid oils is unique for that compound. So if you're boiling just THC, if you read the temperature at the still had the temperature at which that liquid is condensing. That's the boiling point of THC at that. Accurate. And so if you look at the data from the eighteen, Ninety six paper and you plotted on something called a No McGrath. N.. O. M. O. Graph. And there's an online version one that's provided by Sigma Aldridge having. And what you could put the absurd oiling point and you're observed vacuum pressure and it'll basically correct for the boiling point at at sea level at seven, hundred, sixty, nine years, which is. Pressure. So if you plot. Seda using his very gentle method, and if you plot the eighteen, ninety six. It circles on the same damn point, which is four, hundred, twenty, seven degrees Fahrenheit, which is boiling point thc now I looked at some. Data that I got when I was doing some distillate work for. In Two thousand sixteen and my data, and it's the same one and I can tell you that's a high thc variety and THC convert to see beyond you know in order to make C. B. N., you have to remove two moles a hydrogen from that methyl sisal seen rain converted to the aromatic ring, and that does happen at like now amateurs like when you dad. Some of the THC or THC A Boxing turning into T. it's. So that goes CBS I've seen reclaimed samples as high as ten fifteen percent. Yup. Yeah. It's really interesting because again that's just the oil that just kind of crashed rig. Water I, take that out and recover it right. But. I guess the point is is that when they? Back in eighteen ninety six. This was what twenty years before the discovery of the electron folks. Put this into real perspective here. Yeah. Pretty significant stuff, right. I'm I think from the point of view that my gosh this is before the turn of the century by it was queen. Victoria time writing. And I think she was using cannabis for her menstrual pains that right or there was a live. And through Ashanti's papers earlier in the eighteen hundreds. There was a lot of interest in cannabis and what is in cannabis through so these were the first guys to distill it and I'm telling you. If you read paper itself, I could send you a copy of. On. The description of it they call it toxic Red Oil I think. They call toxic because they knew that this is what gave China's it's it was intoxicated. It was right right right not like the current. MEANING OF TOXIC Toxic. and. So they did combustion analysis might think what complicated their combustion Alice's again was if you think about it, they got the empirical Formula Pretty Damn close. They were like seed twenty two like they were off by like one carbon hydrogen will if you recons papers from like thirty years later. He corrected all that Khan again published four papers in early Thirties and it was that foundation that that. That Adams and time stood on. So todd was a guy over England at Imperial College. I believe at Tom if you look at todd structure and you'd be like well, he structure TNC threat here while again he's standing on Khan who standing on. Todd who's standing on Ashworth? Meshulam. Meshulam came in after the advent of Proton at Amar Varian t sixty I remember the instrument well, and he figured out that yet denied configuration. So that's Meshulam's first but the first people to actually isolate. THC. I believe it was woods Vivian Easter feel back reported in eighteen ninety six. Yeah. So so I guess for those listening to to really distill this down. Perhaps. Perhaps Reps. the most accurate way to describe what's happened is that Meshulam and his team were the first to elucidate the structure with the level of accuracy that they had never been done before. Rising or in any way changing it's grabbing it from the plant and getting it. Yeah. That's right. Yeah and then, and then the researchers in the late eighteen hundreds through the thirties they were isolating it and as far back as we can tell those researchers late eighteen hundreds seemed to have actually isolated thc even if they didn't quite understand the structure and what exactly they they had at the time. The beautiful thing about Meshulam's work is Mueller. Recognized that there was. In the literature. So what he did is He chromatic graph has she shows no it's not THC THC A in there. So he basically purified thc a but when he did that short path distillation no question about it, it's going to curb Oxley in that short at solution what he's measuring there's not the boiling point of THC at at standard pressure and not the boiling point he's measuring boiling point of Thc at that back, right? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely and one thing I think we we were laughing about before the podcast ties into what you just said the idea of boiling cannabinoid acids. It's kind of a funny concept and and once again, this is something that like when you present it to me, I was like well, yeah, intuitively that makes perfect sense but I don't know that I'd ever really thought about it in any meaningful way. I. Can say is that you can melt to ca from Christner our into a liquid without d-box Lydia. If you let stand, we'll go back but car box solution is sort of happening at room temperatures that are very, very slow rate. It's a first order reaction. There's been some really nice chemical literature done on this Acids has been studied for a long time and it and one thing I like to point out to people that you'll appreciate and probably back me up on this it's not just heat that causes decoration it's energy and so theoretically. Theoretically. You could. You could box late something. Hitting that molecule with. These guys a little chemistry lesson to want to give these guys ACLU come. If, you can take off echo for him. So basically, what the Lurch your shows is that in the decree box elation of what's called the salicylic acid salicylic acid is a benzene ring that has a car box look acids will benzoate gas next to a hydroxy. So the decarbonising relations with salicylic acid rain determining stop is the probation of the a ring and deep rotation of the Co two minus the once you have co two minus near protein at aero aromatic, you got a great leaving group and you gotTa. And enter your favorite because the WHO's going to be you know take off in order. To combine with the phenomenal to make the salicylic acid. That's a reaction called the Kolbe Schmitt reaction, which is an old. German reaction that takes place in molten salt. So it's Kinda like middle of the Sun Chemistry. That just You know. These things together. But the funny thing again is there's been a lot of people talking about like. Pollution of of of the plant material before they. Walk, slate, the oil and I. Think the thing with deeper box leading plant material is now you're destroying oxidative those turbines. Invested in your genetics and. What was the point? Right the the Turkey. Are the most volatile. Sensitive Molecules in the cannabis plant, and if you really want your extracts in products to taste like that, you have to treat him with kid gloves and try to get those turkeys out before you do high temperature or any you know processing. A Hammer. Point before we go further to summarize for people because this is really common co two extraction that folks will because they want to eliminate water primarily Because then. For folks that aren't familiar with C. o two extraction, a common issue that happens in the only reason I. Know this because I've worked in a co two extraction environment before When you depending on your parameter. So one thing I'll say about co two extraction is see to extractions not one thing super critical fluid extraction is a very interesting technology that you can tweak and all sorts of ways just parameters have you know all sorts of different ways of going about it but the common way that it's used in the cannabis industry is If you don't get the water out of your material, you end up extracting some of that water and then your extract. Is less shelf stable and you run into other problems depending on how your refining it and you know that's her thing. So people tend to cook their cannabis before co two extraction to try to dehydrate it and get it ready. But as you just pointed out the downside to that and Murphy Murray talked about this too. When I interviewed her that you know you're you're sacrificing especially the monitor pins which are some of the most fascinating because they're so a theme or will I mean they Going back to what you're saying about Trento pyre phosphate being the the starting point for turbines. It's important for people understand just how diverse a chemical class Turpin are I mean like enormous chemical class that derives from very simple humble beginnings and these monitor pins. It's an issue in natural products science forever that holding onto those things can be very, very hard and so it does require attention and. forethought to think about how you're going to handle this thing. So you could while you're pointing is you could extract this terrapins. I. Take your what's often called the mark. Remaining material after extraction, and then you could dehydrate it. Then you could extract it for can avenue it's. In retain those fractions but unfortunately, that's There are some companies doing that, but a lot of them are not from my experience. Well. That's why I I really prefer a for for for Eddie. Concentrates. Really Al Cain extraction like but Murph does and. You just get a different what what you're. You're mentioned water with the water really does that in supercricket changes polarity, the Sauve it. Meshes with its. And super-credits Han extraction my extractions. Call because. I receive the best way to win her is is to not have to winner is right you don't WanNa winterized because in winterisation you're going against remove some of those most model months of your essence I tasted really good co two oil that's really clean and but it's just different than like a a really Butane propane extract you just can't reproduce that. Right? Jason I. Yeah. I know I I I haven't haven't seen. A comparable thing you know people try to separate fractions and recombine and try to recreate that. But but no, I personally haven't seen it and that was when I was talking to Murphy. Murray. One of the things that we talked about was that you know there's an interesting sort of meam in the public's mind that Al Cain solvents are dangerous and certainly they can be but lots of things can be dangerous when mishandled or whatever we over propane gas grill behind our house right? Right. That's a propane tank hooked up to igniter folks, right Okay, that is not regulated in any way. Right. Using a gas using butane and propane certainly requires certainly safety precautions. I. Mean I come I worked. Eighteen years as the chemists that at Dupont central research and. We probably just lost half of our viewers right there. This guy get out of here. I think would've the things that I bring to the cannabis industry. I think Murphy, hits, on these notes, twos is the real safety aspects of is that I would never ask an employee or a clients employees to ever work on something that I don't feel safe writing myself and certainly if handled an right environment class one division one environment the right year you know we know what the right gear is these days I mean you can't be blasting just flaring solving all over the place I mean US flammable okay. But you know ultimately you know big lighters got butane in it. They're all over the place I mean we need to really Get more sensible people in Hollywood was saying on your podcast you know people that s GM and other people who really understand. that. This isn't unique to the cannabis industry I'm solvents are used in flavor and fragrance extraction all over the place. Already, that's right. That's right. I mean I think there's like this tax, the cannabis industry and suppliers vendors the cannabis industry like put because this is the cannabis rules. If it wasn't cannabis if we were extracting hein or Oregano. Campus Oh my God you've been. Sunday becomes a bunch of gangsters from you. WanNa blast and. It's not like that anymore and the facilities were that are are safe and incident free and most of the current best practices that are out there whether you do zero to extraction or solvent extraction are really designed with worker an employee safety as well as you know, save the of the of the patients and consumers I'm using it. So if you're using solvent, make sure it's fact thought they have accu muffins for that. Again, you know it's like you can solve it I mean I think the notion that the co two people say Ooh. Residual, solvents. Outside, come on man you just you have soap's in place that basically say load certain threshold stuff meets requirements. That's while in my perspective coming from you know I've mentioned before that a lot of my background labs besides doing needed the analytical chemistry stuff I didn't everything is I was always heavily involved in quality control and so for me, all of these problems are just quality control problems just like. A piece figure out your action limits figure out how you're going to verify that you meet your quality standards. consistent. control monitoring such a big thing in in quality systems. But you know actually plot you know how you're performing batch to batch batch and make sure you're not seeing some drift for some reason you know that is Jason. With all white clients who basically producers they all have internal analytical off H. Own Age. PLC's energy because they're doing residual head you're doing head space to make sure that there's residual solvents. It passes you send it over to packaging ship it right so I mean as integral part of the production process, you have to be able to use third party outside labs to give you CEO as that can move stuff out the door and I think again I, I listened to one of your episodes testing. There's a whole lot of. There's a whole lot of scuttle, but whether they're really doesn't need to be I mean a lot of these nesting winds. Now I mean some of them are getting certification I heard of two that have. Recently gotten the. There's noone eighty to la saying or I'm. Not. Faint H was one of the first groups that really dived into the trying to help get credited I. Think they've expanded some from there isn't a new certification process something I I figure I i. Didn't I probably should have paid more attention to experiment with what I found is I see pill, Maryland those guys are awesome. They have very good analytical chemist who run their machines. If we see data point that doesn't look right we could talk with have dial with what with them and one great thing is that we have the same Shimadzu instrumentation so we could be using the same. Methods and we'll know because what tested that stuff tent waste on Sunday before we send it over to the outside lab to get the COO. Yeah. And that's something. So you brought up something that I have direct experience with two in that our work, some of the consulting that I do a work with different producers in their in house analytical labs to help them develop methods and That's where thing. But one of the things that I encourage them is to do exactly what you're talking about, which is make sure that you've worked that you've got this dialogue with. Your. Third Party lab going in that you're working in sync so that you know that your results, her going to agree on expected results or the imam up and say, Hey, this result looks a little weird. Can you run this again? Exactly exactly yes, and that's that's been invaluable in my experience. I. Mean Several clients that have worked with have the same or very similar instrumentation that their third party labs using and I'll help them. Get the get everything dialed in so that things are consistent and then as soon as something is inconsistent psych. Well, let's have that conversation. Let's figure this out becomes very quick. Not a lot of like scratching your head trying to. figure out you know e can really spiral if you haven't gotten that synchronicity and with your third party lab if you have an in house lab will end it's a great point to bring up to Jason I mean this is a spot where chemists can really help a cannabis organization. A Hall of the the role quality, development manager or quality product manager. Basically, you have your extraction team and they're making their extracts and you're making everything good will really that needs to go into quarantine. Third Party testing and third party testing comes back that it could be released the acting. So it almost seems like you need in your GNP facility. A quality control manager was probably better analytical chemist who's running your own in house quality but who owns that interface with your third party lab and that could be not the production guy production guys working on production. This could be the quality manager's role is to be the interface that third party testing absolutely I totally totally agree and you know this highlights the importance for product manufacturers to look into gop in the first place because if the idea of an outgoing quarantine is a new idea then. You really need to read the the FDA rules for good manufacturing practices cause that's a you know a very basic thing and for ingredients to coming in. So you've got these analytical checks on ingredients coming in if you're a product manufacturer mixing things and then the quality. So you have like a a receiving quarantine. So everything that's coming in gets held has to go through some quality checks to be approved to be used in a product, and then the outgoing quarantine to have a quality checks make sure meet your standards before it reaches a customer at two very, very basic things that can totally change an organization if they haven't utilized. Processes and like you said, it's really important for someone with an analytical chemistry background to be involved in that process because they're going to think about you know how you're interpreting date all the things differently Some of that doesn't have that background absolutely. Well, could also interface with the instrumentation company when the HBO. And your things to be recalibrated. And sometimes what you see is subtle shifts in retention ties, which doesn't mean anything more than your column is used. To the Non Experience Person Oh wait a second it's supposed to be three point two one and it's three point two, eight Iowa while okay it's just you know you have to. The flow with go with Flo. Exactly. Yeah and you mentioned backing up just a little bit. So you mentioned some of your work with dupont and. Let's get back on track to your story and how you got where you are working with hydrogenated candidates So before we get quite there what did that transition look like coming out of you know the chemistry world working with Dupont and transitioning into the canvas space What was that that? Like for you that had to be a very interesting transition Gone back on tour with the DEBT A. was. Most I've been on this program passed church. If you're to youtube and you look pastures, you can see. On like about three hundred different episodes there. I told my story a few times but the nice thing is is that Is that the parallel to where it brings us to now is that You. I was kind of like a Hippie I guess as a kid, you know I. Just you. Follow the data around and getting degrees in chemistry, and then I was like I don't want to go work. Yeah. Let me go post are a moved out to Fort Collins Colorado first time I grew weed doors I drove up doors before but I never grown endure. We moved out to Colorado in the early nineties really crunchy time to be in. Comments were growing I think cuttings of the skunk number one strain from from Scotland sound. So I ended up I saw Scott Man Sam Aka Dave Watson I ended up meeting him years later as as a panelist on Hash Church, and now we're now we're close friends and we we have dialogue skype everyone's awhile and Yeah. So my transition from like an industrial scientists were on my hippie friends will do you're working for the fuck anatomy man fucking potman Dupont was part of the whole thing with the hearst right that made. And while it's true that a dupont nylon parachute save George Herbert Walker Bush jumped from that plane it was have wrote that held the parish. Yeah But. The funny thing is when I went to work for dupont, it was like that the golden age of what their central research group was a very academic group that looked at you know very fundamental chemistry like the Tallis's. Bio catalysis and there was so much interesting stuff. They'll prize winners up and down the hallway for me it was. It was the kind of place where I walked in and I kissed my desk because I didn't have to report to a business. They just basically said go in your lab and do science. Within my first couple of years, I had a couple rounds of NSF funding with the academic collaboration with a professor from biophysics who was up at the University of Pennsylvania, which brought post docs to my lab, and we were able to really do some high powered science early on but things that dupont changed right around y. two. K. When they took our macintoshes away, they took our our apple computer scientists we live out computers. Yeah. I had my. Dissertation on Apple they took away all our apples because of the Y2K bug and us. IBM that's my sense to real fundamental change in that they wanted business relevant to your chemistry. So I worked on his product of SITA's it's called entomology. Force for our here's the seven hour. This is a insect repellent where the active ingredient is hydrogenated chapman oil. So. We, we took the essential oil of cadman which like that pitcher cannabis behind you cabin expresses its essential oil in try chant tricalm on the leaser. and. The essential oils steam distilled and it contains a Turbie Noida called the paid lack. which is the thing that makes cats respond couch. CHICAGO, it's for kids. So. Anyway as. Itself that structure which is by cyclic. A is similar structures that are found in the secretions of Beatles you're talking about chemical ecology. Jackie last week. Fascinating. Episode on the the world of Chemically College. He really came into existence at Cornell University. Between. the the forties, fifties and sixties when Tom is there was working with a guy named Jerry mine wall over in Chemistry and they discovered that the way that insects communicate with each other is through this chemical ecology, which is. A mission of of compounds inner XY date, and that told the insects that were behind them whether they should go there you go there or maybe they should go somewhere else. So bicycling, mono, Turbie noise were actually isolated in the Anal Secretions Beatles like in the back in the. Fifties and they were insect repellents, and so we tested chapman oil for insect repellent seeing it's mildly insect repellent. But what was detrimental was is caused medium skin sensitization. The other. The other issue was the Captain Oil Smelt like wet? Hey, it just. Smell, very ambitious very loud but the hydrogen nation improved the essence of the oil to make it smell more landing menti. So it gave them lemony minty smell and now more importantly, we'd lose the skin sensitization. While Dupont, they did the heavy lifting basically get this registered as active ingredient with the EPA while that's not as stringent is getting a new drug listed with the FDA. We still had to do safety testing and we had to do efficacy testing on humans are be reproved. You know all the nine yards. So we got it over the goal line Dupont commercialized, but this company anthem all dead. And two mobile. And so their discussions now with big box retailers and other people to take this hydrogenated oil out the market. So after left upon I was thinking, well, hydrogen nation has anyone done that. And it turned out. Yeah. I went back to the Roger Adams literature and he hydrogenated t eight seed for THC in two. When you hydrogenated TNC, you converted into agency or Axa hyper canaveral. And also. I drive aided. See but Do many years later. And but the one thing that they didn't do is. They didn't. THC A wasn't discovered until until Meshulam's. Were back in the sixties and so. Adams had always isolated stuff by distillation his stuff was always charge he. Was Already D. Card. So I did a search on wealth has anyone ever hydrogenated thc a that would make. And what I did a literature search on that in January Twenty fifteen there were zero hits the chemical abstracts database and I was like, what's rare? Yeah. Oh Shit. No Way. Do the search again and yet came back zero hits not much. WHOA. I wrote that patent that day I? took one of my cat patents. Replaced the panel acton with the mcat I replaced a Qatari with cannabis sativa and this is. Basically. A provisional patent before I even get done this. Long, story short and want to get into details and story little ugly. But you know cannabis stories sometimes can get ugly. One involves people in money. But about a year later, we were able to confer the provisional patent into a full pat with data that my friend at the Albany College of Pharmacy was able to give me where we took the hydrogenated tabloids and non hydrogenated ones and fed to mice that were infected with glioma stove a multiform. So glue bust a multiform, very aggressive form of brain cancer and left unchecked. Will. Totally. Kill these miser kill people. So what we've found is that versus control groups is that the mice that were fed with the tabloids had much much smaller tomb interest in the mice that did not have. Anything Fed to them just to control solutions just to say lead solution. But the hydra the ones were fed with the hydrogenated tabloids tumors smaller. So with a hydrogen nations to enhance the any tumor efficacy and a shocker Mussa's the professor Albany College Pharmacy he and I overlapped with dupont many years ago, and his area of expertise is cancer biology and he breaks cancer down by looking at fundamental mechanisms are these things inhibiting? Proliferation of cancer cells to inhibit what's called angiogenesis the ability to reroute vascular plumbing, the feed the tumors. So we found a variety of again that these things are. These things and the activity was enough to include into the patent to get Hamas. Composition. Of matter on H. CA, which is a way. Solid. Right beautiful white crystalline salt and we've got a couple over compositional plans on that too as well. So it's kind of like it's interesting I went to do pot. I did some industrial chemistry I learned about hydrogen what God leave do pot now take that nation with me and so the cool thing here is that By hydrogenated ING, not just the the May Sabah's also hydrogenated turbines in those extracts half there's just a universe of new molecular space to explore what do the hydrogenated turbines do what if we take the hydrology? And had them back to buy and I like that hydrogenated serpents don't seem to quite do it for me but. it's interesting because again, hydrogen nation is just one. Of many different chemical reactions were now we look at that plant behind you on the wall is not the product starting material. Yeah exactly. Well, and so one thing I want to do for listeners that might not understand with hydrogen as I want to summarize it in correct me if I get anything wrong here, but basically, the process hydrogen nation is trying to take in. So sometimes you have these molecules, the have double bonds and essentially you're saturating these molecules with hydrogen so that where there would normally be these double bonds assuming that they can rearrange you're basically stick hydrogen on there and there's no need for that double bond to be there and you can look up examples of these all over the place of Canada the before and after hydrogenated products. But in a simple term, that's that's pretty much what it is and you usually use a some sort of metal substrate that at least my classical understanding of hydrogen nation some sort of metal substrate that's going to provide those hydrogen KC. For the process guided I summarize that. Yes. Absolutely saturating double bonds. So carbon can be w bonded to each other or can be completely saturated. If you add hydrogen across there, you put now hydrogen each one of those carbon up. Yeah. Yeah and so it's it's so interesting because in theory such a simple kind of process, it's like I'll just give these molecules more hydrogen so that they are saturated and and You know it's not it's not like adding functional groups. You know it's not like taking a molecule and going full I, mean I guess technically these would be semi synthetic expert when I think of. Right. So we're jammed tetrahydrocannabinol it and converting it into a heck of. Right we could also take the TETRAHYDROCANNABINOL boy. If we rip out one molecule hydrogen now we have a die hydrophone avenue edge hundred tabloids immediately, Aero Mattei's to canaveral. So can all fully aromatic Di Hydro to double bonds? Tetra Hydro comes into plant one double bond are completely right so so that gas spectrum of around Diaspora. Of the metal cyclohexane. Thing is that that that double bond is the most reactive functional group in the molecule. So what we're doing hydrogen nation is we're basically taming the most reactive functional group, but it's still a connecticut. Looked like it, tell you when I doubt. He'll cannabinoid affects you know. Fascinating. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. So and fact. With Turkey's, it's even more pronounced because I do think that the turbines someway. Some type of modulating factor. And always like say something because sometimes people talk about if we really understand all these dynamics between the TURPIN. And the entourage affection were still so. Far from understanding and fiscal level exactly. What's what's going on there? I think what it does is what you said before it just opens up that. So I like in. So Turkmens basically fluid is is the by layer so it just Kind of opening up all the windows in your house, right? Yeah. Opening all the windows at your house gives exchange of inside and out I think that that's an avenue. That's what the beans help tabloids do and I believe that there are outside in signals that up Bradley can navigate receptor expression. So now you're gonNA feel Mo- more predominant effect because she's more or receptors. And, I and I think there's there's interplay there with calcium channels and that sort of thing to. So the opening the window is a really great analogy because when you think about things like a trip via receptors and that's her thing which are part cabinet system that can interpret interacting with Yeah. You you're changing sort of the elemental diffusion between celebrators send. In that. So many things if if anyone has studied brain science when I was in college, I took a really great cognitive science class known we learn about what causes a A signal in the brain from a neuron in it's it's these these differentials of. Potassium calcium you know these Yeah I get up. It's all about iron gates and so that. Understanding that I got because originally when I was in college I, I thought, I wanted to be a psychiatrist. So that was. Of My studies were initially and then when I got into natural products working everything I was able to take that and it's like, okay what I learned in brain science it's happening in all these other cells to in different ways. Affecting. Before Gadston the NSF funding and so. U. Penn was Guy William de Grotto. He's now professor at UCSF in San Francisco and he is He. Might Win Nobel for d-i-n-o-v-i-t-e protein designed and a few other people might share it something his specialty was he built the ion channels from scratch from Patna Wow. Synthesizer that that may be is huge. Pods at self assemble into these bundles that were the I and channels themselves. So the Proton Channel That's important in influenza virus, and also many of these I n channels I. Mean it just it fascinating shit because he's basically come up with this whole area what's called the no protein design, which is basically building proteins scratch and it's Fascinating. Nobel. That is yeah. I know. Yeah, hopefully. So that is that is super super fascinating and he gets into where my mind racist with all this stuff is You know there's a rush to try to Improve Three D printing technology to really blended with Chemistry and biology and everything I mean we can. We can print tissues we've gotten to where with three D. printers we can actually print Oregon's and getting them to work as a different story but. And there's there's this sort of fantasy that a lot of scientists have of like win can we get to the point that we can have. You know all of these substrates and have a tool that can then you know we put in formulas and have a tool that then d-i-n-o-v-i-t-e builds you know very, very, very tiny molecular structures into an extent it's it's happening in sort of a rudimentary way but looking forward like fifty years, one hundred years or so there's really exciting technological work going into that to try to empower chemists so that when they have an idea they can use. Technology to run with that idea much faster, which I am really excited about. Well, that's what you're doing with stem cells in an absolutely fantastic and think about the role that the end of cabinet system plays. In in all of that regulation. Again, the Endo can avenue. It says we we're just scratching the surface on what would I can do and I think yet in the years to come when research really starts happening. It's really going to be fantastic. Absolutely I mean something have a articles writing for some magazine recently where I'm talking about some of the common myths in the industry that fascinate me and inspire me as an educator. One of them is that we actually know what the System does and I point out that like clinically we know it's involved in all of these different things but like our modern conception then nominated system didn't come about to late nineties and even then it's It's hard to really communicate how the Indo cavalry system is changing. How we think of everything. The body does an one example that I've given before it's just looking at can avoid receptor complexes with like serotonin receptors, dopamine receptor at the very small example But one that highlights that like, Oh, you thought you understood the SEROTONIN system, but you ignored CB one receptors you know it really changes everything and so yeah, there's a ton we don't know and we we have really peeled back this this veil, the surface like, Whoa, there is so much ear so much going on so much to research the. Software of our own immune system, right? It's just. It's almost naive to think this is unique. The. Current. And the Moscow riddick receptors in the nicotinic receptors, all these receptors that we know have some sort of biological function i. mean I think when you sort of piece it all together it's a very non linear. legos. Exactly to try to figure out exactly you know cause and effect but I think what we know now I mean there's certainly full blown clinical trials that are happening right now because the basis under which these compounds can elizabeth biological actions intervene disease is real and we know seeded and it's no longer anecdotal anders if you go to clinical or dot com or a clinical studies or at the huge. We'll just put tabloid in there is a cat. See the current funding of Connecticut Clinical Research in it's it's pretty substantial. There's a lot of work going on to understand the Alistair interactions. Could I've perceptive because I think those kinds of things are the ways that you could perhaps look at how you would do something like this. So something that you're touching on about the modulated, all of that that has me really excited is some of the work that's going in to try to understand the pharmacodynamics of C BG. Is Showing SC BG may be what's called a protean agonised where sort of tying into this by phase type of response that it will affect receptors very differently when it's when the receptors are already active versus when they're not And this shows I I really don't like the lock and key concept of pharmacology which must pharmacologist will say, yeah, of course, that's an old model that you know we've digital time ago, but it's still gets talked a lot about in sort of pop science culture and that's our thing. It really dilutes all these dynamics actually happening happening receptors like you know you have your hysteric binding site, the the primary binding site, and you have these Alistair. Binding sites that are kind of off to the side and still illicit activity. You have compounds that act as these protagonist that don't have a single activity on a receptor. It's very dependent on what the receptors already doing and then not to mention like you were saying like a sea of chemicals around this you know the cell walls were these receptors are and everything that are all you know kind of doing their thing and. And the activity of receptors really about vibrations. You know you've got this protein sitting in this, you know very fluid substance. When these compounds are interacting with that receptor. It's essentially shaking it as well as causing a casket of chemical reactions and things so. It's just it's a very complicated puzzle and That I just I love it I love I. Love Complex Systems. and. So you know I like to mention that just to put into perspective for people listening that when you hear about like Oh cabinet blocks this receptor or stimulates this receptor. Language that we have to use to communicate but doesn't accurately portray what's really going on. In mid eighties when we're rational drug design was first developed and you're able to actually crystallize the the the binding pocket the has to add into. Well, you'd be like, okay. Well, here's here's the by site. Here's the photographic negative all I need to make this one molecule and we're good right right docket. Ago Right inside the computer we can. We can do 'em to calculations which is very sophisticated. Molecular Dynamics. Calculations to calculate what the you know molecules. We draw flat on and draper, but there anything flat, they find her in. Iraq and roll, and there's different what are called confirmations? So the way that. If you look at the molecular structure of CD. For example, compared to THC CD has free rotation around the buffalo cycle seen access with the aromatic ring and so because you get free rotation there, it has a different shake the molecules like Raj shaped versus kind of like a flat puckered shape which. Is So the way that these interactions affect how it goes into the receptor is that you know you have basically again something that's very fluid like you say, and what happens sometimes with ousters is it actually changes the conformation of the receptor. It makes it more accessible substitute which increases the reaction that that's going on in in that actor site I know for certain on what they find is the CO factors that are adding to the enzymes what they're doing is can. Carolina, you put calcium in there you get things going to things just starts chugging away. What happens is again, the active site almost become solvent exposed to where you can really get favorable reaction because now you're enzyme is basically got active site accessible to the solvent where your substrate is and so yeah, all these things have a big big manifestation for how does it make you feel? Give you the same relief like if you take a vape pen versus smoke a joint, I think all those subtleties of the. Of the so-called entourage effect is some synergistic assembly of molecules in a transient state that again, the turbines might be doing. One thing to flag wage might be something else. That, you have a little bit CB Gina there you know CB Jesus got incredible properties doesn't get you hire anything or I mean for any bacterial and forever effects you saw the paper were they were talking about Kobe to I mean there's there's a lot of of research that needs to be done by people like me and people like yourself and all the generation of new snap annoyed scientists that are going to get inspired by listening to this podcast. Yeah Ya I hope. So I I really do and I think that's that's probably an excellent place to start to wrap up the conversation because I I. Always. Say it goes as long as it goes. You know. With me? I'll talk to you as long as you talk to me. How many things to talk about we can we can have another session if you want again burden. For down the road somewhat but it. Has Been Great Yeah absolutely in yeah. Definitely. WanNa follow up. I'm sure we could do a whole series. Together. And before we totally sign-on, I WANNA hand the platform over to you let people know. How to learn more about your work. Any of the companies you're societas with how they can learn about those anything. You WanNa share and any closing notes The podcast is yours until we sign off. Okay thanks is will gather appreciate the opportunity to come on in fact that he was kyle yet. and. Yes I want to just talk about the formation of the ACS thing. So. As the. DENVER ACS meeting in March of of twenty fifty. I met with my friend Mike Bishop and his supervisor Jim Dawson at hide off International. Hide Office equipment supplier into laboratory industry pharmaceuticals. Food. Processing kinds of biotechs of they make a very popular line of a rotor graves which. Solvent recovery, extraction operations, and. Had this notion again, this feeling that you know Again, twenty fourteen twenty fifteen states were coming out and legalizing through as a testing industry that was sort of being birth, which again, we've talked a little bit about testing, but you know having an analytical chemist in in that role in those facilities, we realized that we are here at the ACS meeting in Denver Convention, Center. We we looked at these these chemists than you know, ten years from now, a fair number of these people are going to be working in the canvas street. And and we had a conversation there that led us to. You know what we should try to form our own division and having the sponsorship of someone like hide off because. They're the people who sponsored optimism or L.. Were before they called the polio ward and they called it the. North American Award for excellence and commitment to canvas canvas in fact, check it out. Kyle actually signs it own. Nice. Well I have kyle signature hanging up in my office. Very cool. Yeah. These guys are all my friends. So I eat Mars but anyway so we got together with. This is actually before Ezra and before John Got Together with a few folks and we said you know. It's probably pretty unlikely that the American Chemical Society would devote an entire division to just one plant right I. Mean they do have a society rubber chemistry. But if you think about it, that's the tire manufacturers and there's a lot of rubber that's manufactured in the world. Probably about the same size of the cannabis market if you think about it, rubber finds its way everywhere tires sneakers. So. But you know we had this notion that. Somehow, the American Chemical Society, which the professional, society chemists, the look, the oldest professional society of chemistry and the world next to the chemical. The breads I think the bread speed, US. But I think this is like one of the things where we recognize that. If, we could somehow have a forum like maybe a natural products form where we can have like a cannabis subdivision. We I, I was kind of skeptical that they would give us division status. As it turns out after the original discussions happened. That's when we brought. People like Ezra and Jay Han in and seemed like we were building a critical mass of people who thought that Hey, you know what we can do let's pitch the chemical health and safety. So Chemical Health and safety is a division in the American Chemical Society and. We pitch it to them and and Ezra got up there and did his thing and they're like, yeah, chemical safety because that's factor out safety we were talking before about extraction and working with all will solve answer worked with C O two under high pressures of. These are chemical processes that really need the shepherding of experts who done this kind of thing before you know I worked at a large chemical company were we were working with really dangerous materials and when I compare that to what we do at cannabis operations I mean we don't scum. It's not even close. So the point is is that there is a role for our professional society to play in mentoring opportunities in China duties, creating symposia, and it was that discussion in in March, of twenty, fifteen at the media which led to. US getting together as as unofficial group. So smug myself I. Think there were like four other people were the founders of the of the division and Yeah. It's grown in popularity. So we now have the L. Soley award which again is sponsored by. Hide off which against very important to have sponsors who believe so I think hide off Shimadzu and some of the other you know Ishrat manufacturers realize you know this is a real industry where salad millions of dollars of equipment industry we need support and foster growth in these types of forms, and so you know they get together at the ACS meeting when I got my award started. Orleans you'll love this we had at AS Roma had had a second line bad is the second line band that we? We had a march from like the. Center down to our our social event there was all the canvas need is yeah. So cool. Is Eleven Camaraderie. There's a lot of you know Iva passed resumes I think I've gotten some people job interviews maybe even hired. They're certainly network of us that can help people who are interested in getting into the chemistry side of the cannabis industry you know they can. Go to a meeting and talk with people at they don't have to be worried that might be an undercover agent or something. We're just we're cannabis enthusiasts just like yourself and hey, you wanna step outside. Yeah. That's right. Yeah and I've I've found I I lived kind of in A. I always describe myself as a hermit and then I've been in a cave for a long time doing my thing and not really getting not really socializing too much with the community. But over the past couple of years as I've kind of stepped out of my cave and started to talk to other people that were doing similar work that I was doing and in all sorts of other interesting. Work. I did quickly realize there is a strong community, a strong sense of calm rotary around all of us that are you know scientists that are trying to do good work you know with plantain and the compounds it produces and where we can take all of that and and we're all figuring out a lot of the stuff together I you talk about yeah, two. Thousand Fourteen, Twenty fifteen when States were legalizing in the lab testing industry was for cannabis was really starting to evolve was right there. You know helping to build labs out in Oregon and we were one of the labs that we had at the time was one of the first labs in Oregon accredited, which you know is a really big deal to me of like trying to push that forward Yuba. So a lot of this is sort of frontier were to trying to figure out how to bring. This area of science into the fold broader world that most of us have been a part of that, we've come out of either through academia or you know from our professional science worker whatever and trying to see this work respected on the same level as you know, is everything else and to try to figure out some of these nuances and and to help provide You know steppingstone sort of for the people that are gonNA come after us as well. Once again, standing on the shoulders of giants, but you know really planning for the future of the scientists that are gonna come after and giving them a a roadmap to shortcuts and everything. So they can stay safe and do high quality work and get connected with the the right people and and share knowledge and push everything forward Absolutely. It's perfectly okay to have a career of the of the story and we could scientists and so there's no reason why I assigned today WHO's getting their degree in engineering biology or you would. But whatever I mean the the point is is that This is an industry that's not going away and that we need high quality highly trained individuals who are you know most of the people who work in cannabis operations coming contact with have a real passion you know my I it's like some of them can't believe that they're actually doing what they do. Right their jobs so much again, if you love your job day in your life, because what you do is you're so connected to and I rarely do you find that kind of industry or that kind of opportunity in our lifetime we're at the beginning of kind of like what I would call. It s curve that had an s curves just were at the front end of that s curve and as s curves takes up eventually it'll plateau. I. Think in the next coming years, you'll see lots of innovation and lots of creativity for maybe folks who had non cannabis industry jobs and they're finally like you know what I can cross them. At. Utilizing my skill sets whether it's business whether it's science we need all kinds of people in the cannabis industry who have a high integrity and you know I. I look at the opportunities like that. We've discussed today about clinical work about understanding entourage of fact about looking at strange specificity you're. Being profiled specificity or cabin there's. This is this is an open box of legos for everybody to play where. In order to low hanging fruit. Out there so much out there that you could do that. It's just it's amazing. Now, you think about again crossing into veterinary science and crossing into animal health and looking at habitations and materials applications for have I mean there is just a never ending need for talented people in this space and what I hope is that through this podcast and the other things that are. Out there on the Internet is that people are getting good balance input to say you know what I'm GonNa be full. I'm going to move out to cal or not going to get a job maybe I don't know just as a worker in a grow, but ultimately learning from the plant because the plant teaches you so much I learned so growing that you could never learned at. The only way you're GONNA learn his by getting dirt underneath your fingernails of the understand what all of these issues are because he had the plan is a great. A great teacher and I, think it's a great thing for bringing people together kind of like going back to this art. Auction I played music and I I reached an incredible I was in a grateful dead band and so we were playing Wa. The grateful dead was still playing and so. You're dead heads are really enthusiasts about their musicality. The way cannabis enthusiasts are in so people would really combination poor that energy out to me and I would give back them and so that give and take is something that thinks humans have experienced with this platform Alenia and try as they may. They couldn't separate us from it and we're going to reunify with it in this century. Right? You'RE GONNA change the cannabis laws and get them to realize that. This is A A miracle Amir honors for us. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely a miracle that will lead to discovery of other miracles I think. So little continually inspire you think about all the jazz musicians like Louis, Armstrong, smoke weed and miles Davis used to smoke in Coltrane. All these guys these guys used a chain really. Right, states of minds and then make the most beautiful music in the world. So the connection between music and cannabis has always been there and I just. You know that that's what my when my passion lies is that parallel between the two? Absolutely absolutely well, this has this has been an awesome conversation I enjoyed it just as much as I knew I would real quick Do you have? Like I don't know if you're public on social media or anything like that or are there any websites or? Might Social Media thing I do the most is probably facebook so you can go. facebook friends with half the. City of Denver. And Portland. And Doll -fornia. So I don't know a lot of people but I people reach out to me all the time on facebook with suggestions or Resumes a note. So yeah, you could reach out to me on facebook just Mark Sheldon and. I worked for getting company be our brand. So look at our brands, we make Mary's Medicinal 's. Dixie. Changing the name Dixie like everybody else. But yeah, we have a group of really really good highly popular brand products in canvas could be our brands, but on instagram on instagram too much but you can reach me m. E.. S. S. You remember when you used to have aliases. Cannabis industry they would have never been on. Ten. Fifteen years ago. No way in fact, everything was like you don't bring cellphones you don't. Now, everything is just so outwardly facing that I switched some Elliot's few years ago because I did an article for high times they got confused. They thought was two different people. Feel strange to me a you know I mean. Especially, moving out to Oregon from Mississippi like I still struggle with the ingrain paranoia 's and everything you know that I, that I grew up with even though I'm in a place where it's very very safe to. Talk about it and I remember early on some of the first cannabis associated work that I was doing I remember me and my mentor sort of being like. Well, do we make the dive? Like do we put our names on the website? You know do we put our picture there you know I was. I was a bold move in the whole industry had to had to consider that very same issue and you know instagram was just downsides. I mean, it's just really very strange too. Because again I think we would love for nothing more than the show our best nugget, our best extract we want, and you know that the industry will will shows some extract coming out of the or something like that and next to you know they know that there's a drop at that dispensary at. Boulder. Before you know there's a line around the corner because all those dudes Rodney instagram watch hash being bored belenet Disney is going to be dropping and and go wide all up. So, yeah I instagram or social media in general plays a really important role, but again, point to you to. For Hash Church, but Youtube has been pretty good at putting instructional videos out there again, not vetted Sirte late but you can read ten different ways to make Roz. -tective your wisdom may be h. Oh you know you have to really put the youtube filter on what you're watching. Marcus did a really good job Hash Hirsch, and we brought in we had the late Lester grin spoon on a couple episodes. Against Band. Sam is a is a stalwart on just about every episode and Marcus would be a good guy for you to get on on cruised by cameras Marcus's discount real world. Experiences and expertise, and he's bubble man. He's the guy who came over the bubble man been grand. Bags. But I I can connect evacuate them offline. Yeah. That'd be great. Really appreciate that yeah. But Checkout House Church audience. I think you'll like it and again there's a lot of funny stuff on there is a lot of. Marcus would be in Jamaica or they've they've done things from spat abyss. There's this kind of. Here but the first time I saw Ross and come out of the press was on live Internet. On has, church couple at least. Yeah. Well. Awesome. Well, thanks so much mark for been willing to do this. This is going to be one of my. Let's see. I'm trying to think of how long we've gone would definitely gone over two hours. I don't know because we actually got it split but this is going to be. It's funny. Some folks like really love these like two hour two and a half hour long discussions. I've started editing the public ones down because I started to get feedback from folks that were. Trying to keep up. With all of the. Coming out in the in these conversations, can you like condense it? I've been considering whether to split episodes. I post all of the full length episodes on my patriotic, and you'll get the full length to this one too. But probably, what people here's a condense probably like hour and a half long version of this conversation. Publicly we we read but. We had the little signal to. But this has been really really great. I'm really happy that we finally connected and know each other. Look forward to staying in touch and keeping up with the work that you're doing, and absolutely will will definitely do this again in the not too distant future and ramble some more. Sure maybe next time. I'm home just because I took the day off but I could connect from the lab and we'll do a quick tour of the lab and chill your. Yeah and one of these days when it's safe to travel and be around other humans again. You know it's a shame because. Starting this podcast I was determined to do all of my interviews in person if I could, and if you go on Youtube, you'll notice that the first several episodes of content. It's all more professionally shot video and You know. I'm actually sitting down somebody you know it's it's not these Internet interviews and I, love the Internet interviews because I can connect with almost anybody you know at anytime, which is great but I would love to actually travel meet you in person you know see your lab in person do some you know some content that way actually in the lab you know and really take things next level. So maybe next year. This is your pandemic pivot. accolate is it really it really is. I had to make some critical decisions to figure out how to how to proceed because I mean I had like lecture scheduled and working on a second edition of the a textbook that publish about cannabis science and all of that. Yeah, it's been a big hit experience. Big Learning experience. When you grow, you grow the most outside, your comfort zone when you're outside and your sandbox that by definition is growth. So yeah, exactly am this challenges. So anyway, everyone listening I hope you really enjoyed this conversation If you WANNA learn more about curious about cannabis, go to see a sea podcast dot com or you can find us on facebook instagram or twitter just search curious about cannabis and you'll find us our also and Youtube. When we do get video, we try to get clips and full length episodes on there and if you want to support the show, you can become a member on our patriotic at patriots dot com slash curious about cannabis. Sign up there you get access to a members only podcast feed were sometimes I'll post exclusive episodes or ramblings for myself that I don't put on the public side as well as extended episodes and other things were starting a discord server. 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The Blueface And Wack100 Interview

No Jumper

1:16:52 hr | 1 year ago

The Blueface And Wack100 Interview

"You No Jabber coolest podcast of the world today. I mean here to La icons different generations but equally important to the culture blue face and one hundred were live well not live but we are recording has gone let it begin I send you guys out in Vegas and you sparked my memory because you're like you know you're the first person ever played my shit because we played it on the livestream forever. You probably thought I I mean yeah everybody forgets about everything with anybody. Anybody think people remember this that. ATC You know if we all seem. Would you want with shout you out. That's an example. How instagram rules our lives? If you don't talk to somebody on Instagram or whatever you sit in real life that's what people get get lost in the south that he's believing. Instagram is Broken Hill instagram. And now you got money but do you Sheila the need to to put that image out there all the time and always be reminded people like money Wish me I mean you have things in your spend spend money on things that make you happy but then at the same time does it feel like you have to show the world like if you buy a new car you gotta show the world and really flex shit if you buy a new chain you gotta really let everybody know. Look I'm living Artist maybe as a regular person not so much but I mean we get paid for you to think how cool us how much better than we are Good for business jazz took business. But it's Kinda like at a certain point you know business can always be better. We'll businesses good data. Just mean like It's interesting for you because you know you go viral like very a very easily and you could do that every day and do some wild ass shit or you can make your life a little bit more simple and laid back. I and forgot the next two and like keep shit a little bit more simple or you could just be constantly while and in constantly be on academics Worldstar. And it's like for somebody like you would goes viral allows of easily. You kinda have to be able to make that choice right. which was if you WANNA be like you know constantly like Siro Mega controversial? Have everybody spasm as an adult. Because we see we see both sides we see superstar rappers that are bugging out all the time and people that are fucking super secretive and Loki. I usually see more. I don't know I mean you know. Twelve Times the secret easy to secret artists. Are you seated right dramatic or more which one is more in your face in more. You gotta just live with looking at right. Which one do you see those? There's or a while and not know it just depends on how while you wanna go or how you know with. What would you wanted to make it? Look like it's it's crazy because once you get big enough doing you start to feel like well. I don't have to go all the time. And that's when it's loading. Do you feel like your dad. You feel like you're close to there with slowdown that big enough to have to worry about. India switch gears. He tried to tell me this little details. Tell me now. Tell me. But he gives advises me too slowly. Okay wh- certain things like what like I'm not a big going viral Vira. No no no. I'm not a big fan of flashing the money I give you Oughta Marshall argued ever see flags money guns and that time. Oh she don't flies guns but I'm not a big fan of flash in the money because I understand what people think like that may be two weeks ago Today everyday person that's hungry they might think that's right there right now and it puts him in a situation where even if if he wins and loses. Because now you gotta defend some somebody else thinks eh you know what I mean you know they. They robbed the liquor stores for a hundred and eighty three dollars. But you think there I think You know what I'm saying so I'm not a big fan of that other than that. Whatever he does? That's just part is catching his personality. Does that's part of what you're doing when you're showing that money is you're saying you know if you try to pull up on me it's not gonNa work out for you right now. I don't put together and so I mean I can't really give you Niamey's said I got the money to is. You're basically saying I'm from where you're from. Come take this from you. It's partially flex the same thing with wearing shit whereas like yo you wanna run up on me and Wayne catch me nigger believing said I haven't seen anybody can be robbed. Yeah for strike. The thing is is retaliation is not gonNA stop at robbery. You know what I'm saying. I guess it will I do. Not Retaliate I definitely definitely retaliate. Straight up fear. You know what I mean so you know I I kinda keep things simple dot amine. I'll say too much because I understand you know nephew look cleaner to me. No I'm talking about really do because China. I use that on me. So so what I would do. They used to be so you know it's kind of like I understand. Really stand out here in Evian Jealousy. You know because it's definitely out out here and him being where he's from you know he's from a section that's considered to be the smallest section of Los Angeles from where he's So you know you know the big enable it is the more they expect somebody to come out of the right. You know what I mean just molly neighborhood is then the people around you who is bigger neighborhoods. They hate you for that type of situation so so do you get extra extra. Hey because you are from school yards from the biggest most legendary crips said you're kind of like an outsider. Feels heat a first look. He's the I wanting to go mainstream. We're not a guys you know. Cast a introduce him to the studio and things but he's the first one to go. Oh mainstream and and you know that would just slash nuke. We'll all week long. These was just as weird place. That people didn't the big of it like that. It was people over there robin but to go mainstream would it to where people in Europe or saying. LBC on me and now. He's on his way to Europe tomorrow. Actually and he'll start making Iran again in game game. Blue face ought to say when it comes to naming the game was from a smaller neighborhood incompetent. You know what I'm saying. You know his rooster. He got westside part. That's probably the biggest problem said but all around the world people. They know where Sita Block is. Not Because of a Ole GD twenty years due to kill three hundred people. Oh is because game as voice. Exactly one breakout. Superstar could make a city games neighborhood and nobody from blue faces neighborhood food right and even me because my neighborhood is the same as there's a smaller neighborhood right has done. Would we've done with Dave done overall for the neighborhood because there there is like a half circle they call one of those four corners but now due to New York they know what school yard is. It's a little kid over there in Chicago and cavs the knows what school yard is me. Now we're going to you know twelve thirteen different goddamn countries. They're gonNA the know what school yard if he does. This little chant. That's a neighborhood chance that the crowd does. I don't know if they understand what they're in your at least scoop. You're not I mean that's school. You're you're not. I mean so. Nobody from his neighborhood that did triple. Oh Jeez to dividers whatever you WANNA call. It hasn't had that impact on the world because because he has a bigger platform as a voice definitely zafy good. Is that important. Yeah for sure for sure definitely definitely but does it ever feel like there's like weird amount of pressure on you just because you're like the Golden Child from your neighborhood that really pretty much a solid do so cable. TV show me. But I mean you can't be mad. I mean definitely like Ayin. Can't there's nothing nobody can say that. Blemish what I've already put the number. That's real. Are you relieved state of mind because you just recently. This case of senator. was that something a little bit worried about for a while. They're little Alex. Kessel a shout out to my lawyer. Alex Kessel okay. Yeah I told him I was going to college basketball. 'cause what having a manager this manager is in the field so you you know he was like twenty one when he caught that situation. What is like he got a manager? I've been I've been fighting cases I've been like thirteen years ago. No doubt particularly attorney representing me over twenty eight years. You know what I mean so. It's like anything that comes his way. Any type of predicaments situation the financial whether it's whatever it is you know I've I've I've been in the middle of that store before so he you don't have to take those hits trying to figure out who to go to and what to do right. You know what I mean. So He's definitely position itself I naturally. He has to do what they got. Commend him on his. You know one is close partners. Who's this role manager? I got caught up in the same situation. A China betting covers attorney fees. You know a lot of cash kinda like lead. People figured out the hallway right I can. I can definitely commend him on that. I mean I mean that's the kind of Shit that's GonNa fuck up things in your circle real quick because if you're not taking care of your team right down. Great Great Mentor You do have the battle. The people wonder about you guys whose relationship because sometimes it seems like wack is so wild and you are the more chilling which is typically not the manage back. Her they gotta they gotTa love near the good cop he got to go on and do the dirty where he got on there. And say fuck you this what we're GonNa do people that's creating a problem. See I could do it the way we can do straight business or we can get the bull she'd been straight right and I. I think what happens with me when I come to the table. Business they hit US whack. No Power Street. Do Right to profess Odeon when I get in there. They got this whole strategy bullshitters Bush and then I hit him with more than they know about what they're talking about and you know you put anybody in the box you know. Oh now you hear. Oh I'm intimidated or you're scared. Why didn't pull a gun on your knife? I put my hands on you tempted by my mind. The fact that I I'm not GonNa let you put us in the box like that Arabas. You know what I mean so you you've never heard. Nobody accused me of of extraordinary boullion taken. 'cause I don't believe in that regard if fights the book but you're not GonNa take advantage of my client. I mean you're in that position when when you're doing the shows and shit that you can try to address the promoter trying to get that extra couple thousand out of him and SORTA use the not necessarily the muscle by the intimidation factor turned sometimes you realize that certain rappers management are still sort of on that mentality and that they are really out here sort of finessing promoters and stuff and I think sometimes people see you being super aggressive aggressive on instagram. They wonder what Your Business Sense is if you do handle shit in a row professional way faces a lot of. I've been managing actually in the pain. Managing for twelve years now because people like that sort of flame out my head as my project shit gain. I took over his has been like twenty twelve. He's good good. So what how it works with me. They'll do shit like to support my man. Joel Man. We want blue facing in Texas for this. They have much and I'm not going to respond to because a pecking order of business as you ought to see me offer. I got to see detailed to capacity today visit Tuesday versus the Friday. You know I mean who else is you know what I mean so I know what values I'm definitely not gonNA fuck up. Eighteen eighty thousand chasing five thousand. That'll make sense. You know what I'm saying. That doesn't make sense so that's not what I do because if I'm going somewhere to do one off in the market I'm GONNA call it other promoters this close to the marketing. Do something to get me there so I don't I don't do that in a a lot of the festivals especially with him. I had to accept the offers over. The first nine months to a year is to build a relationship to show them what he can do right. He's going to euro so right now I could have probably win demanding double the mouth but because I'm introducing him to Europe. That's why we're going to so many places. This run on is really just a set him. Up for the festival's I'll make forward festivals right because the rates like times three or four anyway and then I'll double back. After the fact he really dropped another the two projects and go out. And then we'll get real numbers. Because you see you see rappers are able to sort of be able to do the festival thing and get rolling ladder. Whoever used used to the idea that this is a good guy to have on the festival? He's consistent he brings energy people like them he brings allow. And it's like I've I've seen other rappers where they fucking did some stupid shit to run out or whoever and they are not invited anymore and that's a legal check that they miss out on a budget times a year. He's a performer. And me as a manager you know I'm GonNa make sure his time. We never hear anybody saying buffets mister show. He was late. He was intoxicated. I will make sure he's jail time. And then that that doesn't start at the venue that star some home that stars from me the cato to roll manager and having to knock on his door book in the ground and getting today airport and making sure his wardrobe is right mega. You're sure you know what was going on with him. As right getting to the hotel resting you know a lot of that goes on people. Don't they don't see that I'm not I mean they don't see that gotta deal with the money aspect of it. You know what I mean. I've been situations where I paid him and then get paid for two weeks. 'cause I'm just that type of manager sums going on I'm not saying hey I can't pay you because they didn't pay me you'd be take stage. He's taken that stays as based upon management is saying business right now. There's somebody I trust. Relationship with. That has nothing to do with him right. But a lot of these hallway management not in position. They still living with their model right. You know what I mean you know with him. It don't matter I can fill in the blanks. GotTa fill in the blanks. Got It interesting so yeah because it's kind of like a stereotype of you that some people think that you really have are more concerned with the money in the lifestyle than the music and I think you you said Shin interviews the sort of troll type shit like make people think that to like. Do you find yourself. Started getting frustrated with the lifestyle concept Tourney Making Music Shit. It might get them. I lost the best part city. I try to arrest him and he liked Ios time to go. I like to perform. Well I like to you know I. I just made an album and it was like you know usually I guess everybody make like photons with songs like pick one. I made twelve songs. Pick twelve like might be on that more or less but the that is fun. I love form. And that's what the best part is really what I enjoy the most far more than anything I said. Are you excited for this European experienced. I I didn't know the expense. Yeah new sit in my mind. Go there for you menu. You're going to be stressed out about the food. I can probably heard do a little bit different. You're going out there too though. Definitely I gotta go beyond less than a real manager to send a new artist Europe. That's facts expert is the hard part of being a manager is that you have to like really be there all the fucking time I mean. That's that's one of the reuirement not I mean because it's not like he's is in Vegas. You know someone New York on. I mean five six hours away. You know he's closest twelve hours not I mean so it was like you know I've been overseas. He's maybe five six times around the world so from the toward everything's different. The tour bus differs not being in the same style. Tour bus traveling happen. You know what I mean to ferries you know pull up on fair. He would not get off the fair and go top. Look you know what I mean. He would not got to beat out at your ask. I'll go back to another country. I mean in The mind your language barriers. You know what I mean I got contacts over here just a strong. I have over here so certain things he's GonNa need. I got the people over. We're here to make sure we straight with that. So and dealing with the venues you know pay out the full he WANNA go shop it. You gotTa me you know. There's certain days you can and can't do over there depending on where you at like Dubai you don't you don't even play all day no cushion to mind. That'd be authentic desert for nine months you not. I mean became smoking law. Do Nothing and Dubai is zero. deejays Jeff Fifty six nights. That's what future that tape called because he just flew in from Barcelona. I think it was in had some weed is not even a lot found it like two months in jail. Loaded ain't they're not playing which bomb out to go get the other guy Produced out of LANTA damage year. Obama got him. Obama had to go get eighty Dan. That's bad talking. Shit I forget if Obama buffets that'd be really big. Yeah I should just went on with the Guy Sweden. I was kind of different because we had a situation. This we'd ourselves really Iraqi situation situation. You guys have similar to what we situation. I thought it was a little worse than that because we was coming from Scandinavia. Somewhere maybe like fucking about two three hours hash was in the back of the bus for then and they had us get off dogs at the bus filed it right so somebody claimed it what I mean. I had him on like three four hours now. They gave him to ten days to get data country. Oh Wow so I just kinda flew into the Netherlands on I went to Amsterdam anyway so different. You can be leaving after nabbed where we'd is you buy lot we chicken. Yeah Stop You from just driving unless you get your trump search. If you're not thinking we just came from you cross into the next country I mean there is. I've had a situation where in Germany they pulled us over out his side of the freeway with all our luggage. Open up going through everything and I need to be there to control them. They young I mean. You can't start fucking with these guards and is not our rules anymore bad fast. Yeah you don't know what the hell they write in every the report they wrote. You'll know what is the best used to be quite Italy. That's fax Can I ask you guys. Are you considering participating in no November number. Eight what November. What does that Shit I let it last night? What are you talking about? I know November's November's of vowed that a lot of guys are taking on the Internet to not have sex or masturbate for the entire month of November. He that's a dumb ass that's crazy as she your wife will be pissed. Yeah so are they doing that. They deprived when they wife they laude wife to go had been no. I think you're just supposed to not not at all. I don't even know what happens. If you have have a wet dream might get in trouble was asking me shake all. I think it's more just like an Internet fun thing that people just talking about. I don't really know exactly what I mean. Just for me and it'd be on the Internet. Talking about getting nut is like kind of like some gay shit to me. You know I guess to the gay people. But it's like for me and it'd be like IOS my seven days straight. I didn't nut back in the game the game it just did not do it. No no November minority minority feels may go go to a show tyler. Perry show associate play right. Yeah it's it's more gay couples and straight couples right. You go to Bluefin show though I'm saying mostly sleep heterosexual but yeah go pudding brandy show I'm not doing that. I'm GONNA be honest. You got your auto. Yeah that's what it is. That's real I remember when we did that. Blue Fish show but like it was crazy because the audience like there's a mosh pit started but then there's also like grown as it's like black women in the audience who are not feeling the mosh pit at all. It's it's crazy we can go to court and it could be a sixty euro zero grandmother right. Can I get a pitcher. 'cause my my grandson dot council the TV's smart TV's being on Youtube or whatever and the kids watching kids watching is that crazy for you to just have like young kids. Come up to you. And they're just the biggest fans in the whole world is probably the best uh-huh we'll let me ask you a question. I'm just curious. So how did you infiltrate the culture of hip hop infiltrates a good word. Let's say because most people yo position are welcome in radio. Welcome into the building. Didata me so like if he was big boy sitting there brother we will like flex case. Lay We like okay. That's just what it is so the holiday Jew like where'd you come from. You know. We'll show background yoga to where you had the balls in the mental savvy. Say yoder's that's what I do and he's doing well I was already doing. BMX interviews. Because I started like the first. BMX bike website. That's unreal Caucasian white boys. But what do you do when you're on. BMX All day driving around in the van. You got your headphones in. You're listening to rap music. I took it to a further extent where I was like more into the rap at music that we're listening to then everybody else to the point where people were like. What the fuck you listened to? I remember I was on drugs so early and all my friends would just like this is the worst music ever. I'm like this is it this zig you're going to see. And then I just like having to be in the right place at the right time to start doing a lot envy's soundcloud rappers early on like pump and ex and shit and then I just sort of managed to take that and transfer that over to be able to really fuck with like the streets and like a lot of older rappers that I love from back in the day. And just sorta exploit my soundcloud rapper clout to be able to go do something whack one hundred so you kinda tapped into like down the ground up and coming to start got you and I really believe that. That's like that's where it's at. That's what you gotta do. You gotta be able to get people young and when they're excited about it because later on it's like you know when somebody's done a million of us it's kind of hard to still keep it exciting but I think I have a good situation because I feel like once you've done enough of those radio interviews and just ask you the most basic ask questions you get into that my state buffets where you just SORTA keep asking the same down shit mindset right now you better get to the Damn Dan Adam West Messy Chevron you know you watched interviews even yeah all right so what. Do you know what we'll have to drink a lot. It's not supposed to come out stable movie honest. Drake is individual. You to the hell did I do that. I'm definitely brown skin. Okay Bud light trying to give them a bud light. Why Oh 'cause there's nothing to drink? We just got a crazy this off of the wrapper. I'm fine okay. The individual just know how to do those kind of people so he'll do it on his time bright but so I'm not banking of that. Have you made an attempt to get that song onto your project or you just sorta whatever it'll happen if he wants to put it out exactly You know I'm relying on right definitely Okay let's let's do more messy shit What terms you're on with your family right now the whole thing with your mom your sister was crazy whereas it arena actually kind of cool? You started it up pretty much. Yeah exactly how could you like. Obviously we can't delete her was was kind of like in those situations. I'm pretty sure we all have like like a midlife crisis. You got your family right unless say like You know at this point in time Everybody got the kid door then coming out when they want to got some family members of things happen right to where you can leave leave and they can still coming house when they wanted to write something that we said well he got the door right so it was like back to life. That's just how that happens. I mean I'm like I got a brother like that. You know what I mean and Different situations bring on different things. You know your family's won't it'll be a family but you know sometimes lions draw and Shit you ought to pay attention to the line. Just kicking is again. I just gotTA got a big heart it out. I mean in a lot of things he goes through. Google respects me because I usually gotta have the conversation with him before it happens. Excuse me so you warn them about like you gotta be careful with how much you give your family. Because it wasn't about how much giving it families about separating separating things it's my brothers in my car right and I put up in my neighborhood I see one of my homeboys. I owed odors man. Twenty five hundred dollars ten thousand right and I go in my pocket. I give him ten thousand dollars in front of my brother. He's GonNa feel some type of way because he felt like Y. You're not giving me that. It can be a real business deal. It could be an investment for maybe something. I've been all of this man right so what I do is out do that without him. Being being here you can't allow family to see everything. Because then they started you know they they thought so separate everything from everybody and I brought him being him. You gotta be hard. He doing what he's doing for everybody. But you know you do some ten times for a person tell them no once and there it goes. It's hard enough for you to get used to all the new shit life. The money how everybody treated different the fame how to move right and then like for your family. They are only seeing a percentage of it but they're still having to get used to it complicated So in terms of like the enormous amount of women I'm in the year allegedly sleeping with has that slowed down at all. Do you think that that's going to change. But all there's a whole lot of goes you amen is definitely slow. There was a November exactly slowdowns. Maybe couple wanted to a blunt talking bitch every time you put that in the song. That's what I'm saying. It's a bar right there for you. Easy what you you still fucking business every day. You see the Oscar. Whenever she wants to schedule See? I know you fucking every day EH. Now she got a lineup. She got to put the threesomes in my calendar. So I'm not sure mother and Shit like this. Okay even better questions. I heard you. You have a big fashion Nova Collab- coming out whole collection Saudi up. It's already talk about how that happened to my fucking awesome awesome manager or word. I did definitely be getting. Just bring it to me all kinds of shit. We got a face. A shootout ought to hundred and sixty five of them so we doing he do- on his first Christmas giveaway in his neighborhood. I world on wheels. It'll be semi twenty dollars. He'll give away like three or four thousand house a pair of shoes and stuff to the little kids you know have a skating event. You know do some positive you know people get a lot of toys and stuff like that but we know what it's time to go back to school or whatever you you want to be fresh you know what I mean so go get opportunity to you. Know feel good about they. So so he got he got not a shoe. COLLAB- shoe palace in general federal collapsed. Right got a energy drink Brave energy drink was big in Europe. Is that the on drinking in the in the video with the gun exactly so we crossed that we probably bring the inactive state endorsement dealers brand that you're bringing to the table that's the European European energy drink at all to coach America so braid to what bring to America the bag. How's it feel it'd be like a brand ambassador? Fashion over like they could have picked any rapper to give them a bag and do a deal with and they're looking at you like you're the one that's crazy right. We'll see like even without he witnessed how came in first right right. They came with two. And I'm like this what we want. And then he came with the left right then at that Latinos will dollar the older were to speak to the owner of a CEO. Richard who the top of the fucking Shoupao does deal with align his brother from talking to the owners. The brave we did with the Prince of Bahrain. Okay data so that we ain't dealing with two people going to find talented. Take people that makes the decision who business with the Prince of Bahrain. Brave brave drink. Oh that's that's started. Oh so you really want to be good in the Middle East right. They it up and did everything. I do always a lot more opportunity to become business partners in I got a diaper company. Creating we cut them. Build a huge foods APP for independent artists called any life. Really which are definitely tired. You give you give you a platform on that that was do you know what I mean so you know we do everything together. You know we we. I want everybody around me rich so when I'm old in a wheelchair push me a block or two paying for the pitch over the fireplace at the end of the day. I didn't I didn't live mine. I didn't get it. You know what I mean so now I was just kind of shooting for You know Generation of wealth does a good strategy build up enough goodwill that. When you're eighty five there was somebody who's who's GonNa want to bring you some milk and take you for this? Is My one. Come check all the last monitor the hospital. You bad right and you know people dropping in you know at the end or if you fall you know what if I took the fall and I called him and say nephew he will look back and say Shit. He didn't make here. You know what I mean but I got like twenty people around me. You know what I mean like and and that's really what it's all about people you can't keep it all anyway. Definitely does affect what what is the current management staticy. You in game two Chit Fall Apart Audubon out at one point and you say this happened when you in Gamers. Everything's so Internet says data game fired because it nipsy hustle so we achieve right. They were trying to say that but there was no true isn't just released. His disapproved or video just released his single album all overnight November nine. That's what we're doing shit actually. I just checked texting because I gotta take him two hundred thousand dollars. I just picked up on DOC. Brazi believe he's trying to bring you these checks yet shit me too and I I got going with the puck and water you that for me. He's over Europe over top of twenty twenty and we're going. He goes out in January February. Take him out so you can't believe in getting that's my. That's my brother. Brian you gotta think about it. We've been watching them chase game in the last three years for me right right took none right cab. Do you think that he's GonNa end up paying seven million. What any came and try to take every day right which I just? That's why hundred management. You know what bigger Bob'll is more to me where people know what I mean so I got a lot of Jewish friends the Russian friends you know what I mean. That has already explained to me how to do things how to stay ahead of things you know dating came for everything you you haven't seen game blues anything right how. I don't understand. It was called to the car. It's hard to engage late. This year is called owning nothing but controlling every day Okay so if you take right but if you control of it you still trump okay. That smart so on paper he might not be that. I don't know how they already know that because they go with all paper right the makes sense on that topic though Lewis. How do you feel about this? Recent leaked nipsy commentary controversy controversy. Where did that come from this audio? CL- Afars what it was. It was just do Nehma. And you might not do San Diego Kitty to do they trying to get interviews but he just caught me off somewhere on some named black or some some shit here come to me so he he just communism registered anyway which is leaving the movies you know a man you know you always keep a real woman I just want to actually was your take on a whole nifty situation. He talking to me like I mean you on the phone interview right right so I told him one on one. Would you know how I seen it with my opinion of it was ah platforms calling me since his definitely asked me and I never spoke on the right. But I'm talking to this. Do WanNa one right. I'm just you know what I guess. The next day he decide well. I'm on leaky. PUT It out round. Who phone call hold on? Oh look look look what he does he puts it ought to like. I said some horrible crazy. Shit right right what. He's playing subscriber. Follow game you notice. He'd been saying come subscribe and I'm going to let it out. He's been like two three weeks of subscribing all that out so what I did was called. Reggie Rice Nice platform and just everything I said I said the Reggie right so now which you're gonNA put out because if I said anything different from what the world is hurt me say he had to put that out so you went on gangster chronicles as where you talk about Jonathan Best podcast. I heard in a minute. You know registered probably the rest of one gave gave him my introduction to death row. Okay so I always being deputy but I you know he was running. Roller show was impressive. Right so I always being devil reg protect. That's crazy because I mean there's a lot of situations that you could kind of view from different angles whereas like if somebody gets shot that you respected you love but you have to be able to view it from the perspective the other person and it felt like phone call. That's where you were. You were just sort of casual with how you talked about it. It's just a realistic. Listen I'm not a gang banger anymore. Having gained banging like over twenty years meaning I haven't woke up and hated the crip or seeing the dude and blue and wanted to do some to him because I thought he was a critic. Willie right that's gang banging right so from one farm asking always be right so I understand gang culture. CAIN coach is different from the religious culture which is different from you know The Jewish culture every culture is different and in that jungle to rules chains. Now there are the rules irrational downright are they right probably not but these are the rules of this jungle and been like that fifty sixty years right and in this jungle. Everybody is not fair everything. That's why you got people say my car this car people don't understand we. We use that terminology terminology because when you open the hood of a car if you dismantle that that alternator Karnal road take the cover. Every part of that motor has to be in place for that car to run right. No you learn not to shooter. Everybody's not to fighter somewhat of hustlers you got fifty percent of the people there to make the hood deep straight. Cow's busters they just you know it makes down. Low makes up that terminology of car right. So nips he's a rapper. Game game is a rapper. If something happens in Cedar Block were game. Pro Game is not going to be the GO-TO guy go retaliate. On the block. That's not what he does know what I'm saying. Hey we got some say. y'All such such WANNA get well somebody from the hood. We got fighters from the hood. The fighter may be totally different from the shooter. You understand what I'm saying there. You go so everybody. Don't play the same role you got some people that play multiple roles knocking speak on it. Because I've been a fighter my criminal record TEJEDA. I've been shooter. I've been a moneymaker all my life so I speak ordered across the board right so in this situation. You have a rapper and you have a straight authentic gang member his whole life. Are these blocks all he knows and the coach of of gang banging you call them fuck a bitch a snitch rapist. A pedophile filed. or You. Call somebody these things in this jungle is no different than you being a football player and going on the field ought to helmet on you. Go get hit going. I'm saying well you call somebody that that is that nobody this should all have it in the matter. Four to five minutes that the next day. Because you're dealing with the shooter. If he was dealing with the hustling probably wouldn't have happened. That passed the Hustler. GotTa go in and always the shooter. The shooter got to determine if he got any history what to target that he may not want to do it. You understand what I'm saying but you went straight shooter. Don't get them just real shit right. So what happened was what was supposed to what happened if I approach her body. Say Yo you a snitch. So I'm not. I'm not going to be ready for that. You're not going to walk away from me. 'cause I've already made my mind. I'm going to some teeth if you're not GonNa do I tell people don't show me nobody paperwork because I'm not going to do it right but don't you feel like you know I don't give a shit. Don't you fill in any situation like that. There has to be understanding of hierarchy. And somebody like nipsy. Should it just be one. Hundred percent untouchable with no bus. nipsy is one of the most notorious crip gangs in Los Angeles right and if it was his enemies list. But this is supposed to be on the you've got the biggest killer rolling sixty years Mona's sixty so would you talk about. Don't make sense that's an A. Toys neighborhood malfunctions don't vote kill six because they're gonNA retaliation is dot COM stop. Has It happened yet. They got surrounding enemies so on and so forth but the billing the biggest killer roller sixty s wrote a sixty is totally different. Blue faces neighborhood. He he got surrounded enemy to wear. That has happened has it. Every neighborhood has had internal genocide. But like y'all talking about and I'm GONNA speak on it not because because you probably representative because you've talked down ground all these radio stations. All these people is all fake. I can speak on it because I was part of the Nipsy Russell Movement give him his first multi million dollar deal me and gang big you steve low bill Johnny Shapes. We did that big. You came to me and we push the buttons and he took that and made. That situation happened right if it wasn't for big. You wouldn't know the Nipsy Russell of today. So so what I'm saying. Is You got a man who die with a million followers and no radio hit and no fucking platinum plaques but because everybody starts talking Blackie was a day of Popeye's chicken sandwich. Everybody took on the bandwagon and now he didn't win twenty times. Platinum radio always come on. How long did they spent his soul all day? Every hour nipsy had like two three souls. I feel should a win. The last time I checked Craig record write bullets ain't got no great records. Yeah why any and this rumor about being independent of Bullshit Oh shit idiots slowdown tonight. Slowly says records so now he has a machine behind. So where was all of these fans. Like blue face he got plaques Oh no no no no plaques because his spans follow him they supported him extreme they download things that nature Lipsey never been on a fucking world tour why he did not die. Eight lists this artists. Let's be real about. He was a legend. Why are intriguing? I was here. We talk as always in the entertainer. But that's been a big part of the conversation conversation since he passes like are we giving our legends their flowers while they're still here but listen. Stop saying alleging as if Y'all acknowledged in honored him as legend when he was here. People call game alleging all the time. DRE alleged. Cuban legend Eminem legend Kendrick at this point. Alleging strike right. They get like you know why because their numbers and the popularity says day right. I'll feel nipsy should have been a big artists personally but where the hell was all you die hard fans when nipsy needed needed to support his product so he could have been that while he was here. We talk numbers right now. We're not talking about personal opinion and I've got every album record my phone download all the time out of respect. The big you listen to a lot of because he gang so much you know what I mean. It's only so much. I listen A to respect the big downloaded support but I listened to it or not. What was the phone call was big? You like after those headlines started popping up about that leaked audio. Are we talking about. We always talk about our white kids would venture doing next and things of that nature like you know we don't. We don't have that type of conversation about Dave and attacked him and I was aware that ship you the last thing was big honoring him at one is events so people make it look like big you. A nifty was enemies conspiracies and all this crazy shit right and the world would know who nipsy Russell. Well in the magnitude. He's he was and if it wasn't for big you right real Tom esab listen. It's a brand rags. It opened the door for him to get in. We did have a big. We could have. Nifty nifty walking down sunset. Two o'clock in the morning passing out CDs. I didn't know he was so you think that someone like him needs that sorta like like. Are you to blue face. Would big you was to Nipsy and is that what you want to be able to do because it is hard if for artists who doesn't have that cosigner what would what would big nipsy definitely that to him. Because I opened the doors. Let's be realistic. Cardi B. was receiving a grant meal Sunday in front of a Cheviot Monday. You think you think that will no politics involved with that Atlantic don't clear records take six months I cleared a regular forty eight hours us right. We shot that money released it Friday. You understand but that's that's politics working you down right. You ought to meet a whole lot of things happen. He watched me get on the the following me. I can do it because I have the talent the demand and is up to me to just make it happen. Kick a few doors in. That was wild. Just be like man. That seemed like it happened fast. Lyrical lemonade got it. Up within like a frigging politics or label size politics magma side shout out to my brother P management. QC over here feed create critic. Alan and Mike Mike Mike Kaiser in Atlanta. You know what I mean Those two and then shot cartridges. You know I go way back to. Sue's rendezvous recording right. You know what I mean. That's one thing I like about it. She still the same she the same cheap right. You know what I'm saying. You know she always been a real shake so just you damn right to poverty. You don't politics and his urban she you're going to be stagnated. That's real. Can we talk about You being shadowed band. Was that you upset about this. Your Ah Shut Obama instagram. Wish I mean when it gets super hard to search for your name. Only yeah so hard to search for plugged. Banged up with extra. Yeah that's all just one hundred thousand followers hosted that the shadow ban but it seems like this is becoming the real thing he just made me think of it. Because you're talking about car. Because she was just tweeting about saint she's shadow ban on all the rappers. There's so many people to fake account shouldn't allow them to do that. I think that you posted something that got you shadow band. Though at a certain point they start to like make it. So it's harder to find your account if you've had a bunch of post removed because of probably nudity or threats reports arose and now may report because they want to try to get your couch down right so you were. A child is a report. If you go all the way down and get the bottom real small you can challenge. Yeah and make them go look at what. Their report of commute is accepted and delete. It looks like you got all these things have been putting up. That's inappropriate read. You challenge it and they got to come in and look at it and say okay. Well she picked up a car. You're right and I'm a little inappropriate move right. I haven't really seen I've seen him do like but I see no like no nudity. Never got some top on the on the time line do that too much now. A yes I am big old free got naked female artists in general. That you'd WanNa work with Liz Ohno's own cleverness or grind on his own video or some shit little on Eliza as a as on truth hearts desk to Plus I got two big hit plus Joe honest I actually liked to cling onto her new into larger women. Sometimes I mean if you're fucking ten thousand of them a couple of big digital never sure connected defense big business sake but honestly Is it wherever you. Because it's like you kind of do you. What do you care more about? I guess is the main question. Do Care more about being number one like rapper streets or do you care more about being that like commercial. The bigger rapper. Two very different lay in the commercial. There's based off the way no he operating operating but my face was certain places The distract you from the game I guess right but is there a party. That still really cares about who's considered the hottest has rapper in La more local type of title. I'm definitely hardware and I mean if I got the title I ain't trooper. You don't worry about somebody coming up here like damn like you. Don't take my thought as long as I get. My bills paid him right in my little. Dixit Sir Yeah some head is always nice wag. What was up with faking the Mike Tyson fight what was the strategy with Zobel thanking the puck and robbery was way senior? Fool in court on our way back Max you a question you show me on said we gotTA fight. I really don't hear you show me on there where I save the other day. I say. Pick use code in me okay. I saw they was nine hundred million blogs big you checks whack one hundred about about nipsy. Russell said he's scolding me. Checks scalded a similar terminology. Escorted me by way I always go to me about Colby Right Szalasi I see so you show me when I say we have had a fight. I mean that was no no no no general. I've listened to a while I'm not gonna lie but it was it was it wasn't intentional. Troll attempt by you right. No no no no with the pain pill bottle man. What the fuck does that mean? That would really pain pills from the doctor. Why Why you have a headache? I me. That was pain pills. Say I never say die. I'm just saying that you are. You're inheriting his as long as I have your team where wax said we had a fight. I think's things got heated up here. Now let me tell you what what I did. The negative they turned it. They used lead them to a positive. If you watch the interview with an hour and a half two hours shit right. We was talking about a lot of positive ship business shit right and I feel like we had a very heated conversation. 'cause we was really touching base on a lot of business. Things was going on how to do things mistakes. We made in life right talking about his drug addiction and a a lot of open days. And why he bitty vanished fucking here you know. He was whipping my ass and like so because I said things got heated and the world of social media think so negative right Oh. Mike checked him about two. Well Fuck Coletta. Reid would put another clip hit myself in the face. I just hear myself in the case. Why didn't they say maybe? I need to go psychological help. I'd say what I say me and my tax got through civic. I never said like you can throw some shut out here. I can be standing at Clinton and say I'm thinking about him right and waters did all about to kill herself right right. It also probably showed you who was really excited about the idea of getting beat up who was beat up. I mean but there was a lot of people people who really thought that you got knocked out by Mike Tyson and they were so excited knocked out or at least yeah. I mean who could be. I don't know but that's assist. It's interesting to see who was who really had a fucking heart on the idea. Something bad happened into you. And then you know that they're ops where everybody lives every a lot of people praying for my downfall fought. That's what fuels me not. I'm saying that's what fuels me. That's real also real shit they prayed for my downfall. You know shot out. Bahrain is committed to two hundred a year container deal but incredible divers collection coming up. Incredible diapers that's what you're pushing a credible divers. What are what's on credible about them video video blog about that? What what is it about Puerto Video? 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Somehow we got a typer but at the end of the day I kind of did the Mike Tyson. which would have wanted me to do for you? Numbers went up true. Anytime you get whack on the phone. That was what the numbers go That's real this is cool because we know jumper. Yeah no jumper Kush in stores. Now go ask your local dispensary to get stock appreciate it good. He's high look at blue face. Higher Coup Amen. We've got to create some revenue you want to get into this CD Water Oh. Yeah I gotTa do it. Acolyte Dumping Diaper Drinking Jack. Yeah we could do. Let's don't want to do it. I want to do it. I mean I'm I am working with canvas so I don't know if we have some sort of restriction on doing other what cannabis related products. CBD So it's not. Yeah but that's the non psychoactive active part of cannabis is not THC CD that's already got distribution. We all know water. We got bottles as lowered waited for preorder and is very interested in. Why you WanNa do Brandon with me when you do it with a blue face? Water still do blue phase water but no jumpers avenue people achieve. Move for me because people know what it is but I can still do a blue face addition of the no jumper. CPU There you go. I do like that. I think what I'm doing. I'm letting people see Dallas side of whack. One hundred devious mental bill is Nisshin. The businessmen always always Baden on something. I mean you know end of the day we gotta go do it. I'm GONNA educated As they call us they call US Educated Street Negro Negro. The we'll get back. You normally eat sunflower seeds or is this kind of just today. Thank you so much. You guys are awesome urgent interview together now done a few of them only certain people because I his his platform if he tells me to come out and I sit out other today and say what I say. I don't think he's say role Roy saying what is his real reasonable to me. Let me now. We're in the world being a man straight male right okay if I reached across the table right now and slapped a fuck out quite a man and I'm saying this is because is tell me your main draw. You got F- from right right. If I recall his table slapped up as a main would immediately and I'm right across the table. I mean it's kind of an awkward position has a PODCAST S. We find. We gotta fight right the fuck me about that other due to win lose draw right in the jungle and the politics of being a man that's GonNa do is the same shit with the gang. coacher certain things bring certain things thanks right period and I really believe somebody's rappers star to believe that the dues in the hood. Give a fuck about you. Being a rapper we over here every day chestnut checkers because when a when a statement like that gets out in the neighborhood you've just made attempt on his life right because the neighborhood kills snatches. You understand what I'm saying. So now it's like a tug of war who will do what I that's all I'm saying is and I think people don't like to hear the reality ship it may look nipsy with a die saving the leuke car right. Go home if he would die breaking up a gang fight. Stopping a robbery is different. That's fucked up. He died gaming being at home. And that's where competition it's hard for. Maybe like a more mainstream audience we thought we tall gangly bank Lavar Walker blood poverty where you from do the CRIP and he whip out his pistol and blow my brains out. wack died gang banging hanging. That's gang banging. There's no motherfucking rules to engagement or limitations to how far the opposition we can go when you're gang right. I think this is hard for a lot of people at home to cover all mortgage day. If he had read on a half law right. He Ain't saying he knows how to do. You had like this gaming yet it said how. How do we stop the cycle? I guess we've been working on it. Why do you think guys like you guys like Wacko and and Blue Lobby insane and get on the phone to bring our whole together to do? We've been working on it but I mean we do we we. We destroyed to ship for forty years and they go get right teen. So we've been working on it 'cause if a guy like me a big. You're these other dues Wacko blue pushing. Its all wood. None of this industry inch we could. Nobody should know videos. Couldn't nobody go hosts know clubs right because we come in. Are they coming. He's reap the benefits of the last. Ask Ten fifteen years of what we've been doing. The cleanup awesome real shit about this is because the politics of was going all we can if you some shit. That's just what this shit is right. I don't think people want to embrace that. It's just what it is. We embraced it every clip abuse e. He letting you know away from. That's that's that's that's a part of who he was I. Power was a part of who I am school yards apart. Part of who he is. He's a father father my husband. I'm afraid I'm all kind of Shit business partner but if I'm exercising that esten negative of rational Bush that comes with that simple. That's real shit. I'm good appreciate you guys coming through phase one hundred Yo. Hey listen he let you off the. I'll let you off liked local or questions. They can dan you abundance same situation that I'd had to answer a hundred times APPs. Can we get that out of the way. Listen Listen Listen Look you should answer that Because look the reality is is. You don't know him but never talk. Never had a conversation and the fact the matter is there to neighborhoods but twenty five years been on and off enemies so him not saying nothing is really showing respect right. Hey neighborhoods didn't get along so you think that his neighbor would have said if he had really been more respected. Nipsy was not saying that you don't know him uh-huh NBA young boy said when asked Bill. Right I mean. I don't really know him when I came the shot to his family can't show love for somebody. I don't know right. Yeah y'all want everybody to fake. Everybody ain't fakers right. ABC's fakers Bro. Come about somebody. I don't I don't know how you feel. I don't feel she yeah. I don't know him. I never talk to him. Eight wouldn't even braces. Excuse me out. Oh Hey my lovely motto none. I don't know him. I love you. Everybody wants you to feel the way they feel. Okay thank you right. Oh fuck you crowd about yeah you know as a similar situation like when Blue Faye says something in his first research interview about Drako where he was basically he took some of the slang from us he just basically made it clear he didn't really give a fuck and Drako went on twitter and said this. La We not supposed to all get along like he he actually respected the fact that said that is use real shit right and it's fake when everybody presenting everybody's faking big US real sincere bodies tell you why they had ups and downs and in the end they was bad tight as ever ever. It was appointed time. They wasn't even getting along right. Fights happen all kinds of data but the real brought him back together I was I mean so I can look at him and say he really loved Hustle. You know what I'm saying. Because they start off one way it went bad and it went back good in in big you do that. He got letting them go back. Anyway he'd leave at fucked up and not just what it is but his heart moved him to do that right. You know what I'm saying. That would make it sincere now. There's no money but like not another contract is just what he wanted to do. He'd have to do it. That's his little homeboy You know what I'm saying right so I think everybody wants you to fake and fucked up the happen definitely fucked up. It happened Do I wish we could rewind life. And and he can Redo it again definitely did hip-hop pop take a loss definitely. We didn't lose a legend at the time because the fans and the radio and things like that didn't support him to get him to where he should have been what he eventually got. I believe so was he that what they say he is when any time was demised. Definitely not and we're just talking numbers. Right he packed out staple center out of funeral. What have you seen nipsy? Russell Headline Staples Center and his fans being true fans come out packet Alpha. I Seen Kendrick. Lamar settled out three nights in a row. We just talk numbers. We're not talking personal opinion. Is that the numbers and the politics have been his dictate. WHO's A. B. C. D. art is not anybody's opinion? Right also real shit. I think people got to respect the people who are really doing shit before they're gone. I think is like the main message from that show radio. I literally drove radio on satellite radio. I mean it was like every hour. I'm doing a thirty minute. Nipsy trance crazy not let you know. nipsy had that much music to where they could do that. Okay so where was your support. Can't tell me to know who. He was. Awesome billboards magazines yet. A million plus followers newly was what was support D.. It's Real Wacky Bandwagon. There is a lot of that just in Minneapolis and I saw the guy in the Mall Drawn Pitches Committee on Mike in Minneapolis. I'm like wow that's crazy that's what it is. We listen up at Popeye's chicken standing in line me. It does see each other. Oh man you had one yet now man. But I've been seeing for. We got to see what's going on. Also you just saw dubs either. Either we went and we got the same as alert is like we like Yo man you know. It was sold out quite nationally. But you didn't get one. I still haven't had one but it made me stop everything I was doing so did nipsy build up all that will be doing today. Okay is that what we're doing this week. Okay right and everybody just started jumping on the bandwagon real stuff to game they complained about. I feel I gained for like nips. Not here no more. I got a big platform. You know I'm GonNa keep some alive for him right prolific below the fe that once. Yeah we talking business. I mean if you pull up. That's a record label for Indie are shit as a word that nipsy used. Everybody knew that I don't think games. Take it right. I think he's just trying to keep life in it and you see what it is though. Is that these things happen. Within hip hop within gang world or whatever and it's stuff seems like it makes sense in there and then all of a sudden as it gets exposed to a bigger audience and people who are outside eight it. It doesn't have to take anything games. Created all kinds of things for so before Creator to say they may enhance something or breathe life or keeping alive. The next person for whatever reason can whether they're in jail death jeff. Whatever for Creator to do that to take time to step away from what he can do and do that? His enormous a sign of respect. What everybody wants to make negative? Everybody wants to see some always this and always that instead of looking looking for what it is. That's real Should anything else was talking about. I'll know because you know you like to pay me as a bad guy I to what are you talking about. I never did he come back. Now I'm fascinated by you. I'm not I other admit that there's been times where I one hundred percents. Sure about you. You know just so much crazy shit like when that nipsy story first came out and I didn't know that it was leaked of just a personal phone partly. It's I like I like damn me calling you said hey man you heard this new artists. Yeah Yeah what would you think about to music you talking. You like fuck with exactly right next to you know suck says you. Don't fuck with yourself museum. So it wasn't. That conversation wasn't for the world. He could've went on any major platform and and had that conversation. That's a tricky thing thing is like I. It's hard to communicate like I love my fans but I don't really WANNA listen to music or interview and I coupled something whatever you say wants a twice which was a big night model right. You know what I'm saying. Don't don't whatever they hire we get the people like you said. He wants standards to be able to say twice so says do it was crazy. You keep that same in advance. Should be really pissed off to do named Joe Black. That's the San Diego. Do ran this guy that you really army will call me like. Hey Man 'cause you know I'm trying to get some takes getting here tonight. Stuff like that right uh-huh so the fashion really mad at him because he may stringing it all he wrote out would he say I I say we said I said right at any ads should at the bottom wack what hunters also says. This is why roads sixties has imported opponent. Now let's just do the math it you having a one on one conversation lab never did an interview like this. Why would I be anticipating the roller sixties? Well enough. That was his little juicy part he added to it. Oh did you hear what he said but guess what. He'll never played the whole tape because they'll see all the bullshit he added to it. They'll hear what I've said which I went. And did it on Reggie White staying right what he said that whereas all other she said he said it has a blogger his credibility is shot. No yeah that's so. He picked up some subscribers members. But by now it's been like two and a half weeks bro when you go releasing I'm challenging you to release it when I did the other interview so if I said something totally different what. He's supposed to do daddy what he said. This is what you say right. Where's that he's playing a subscribe subscribe? Follow follow subscribe subscribe follow follow subscribed. Are you going to hear it. Everybody that's followed of subscribe to dues. Page should go UN follow. And unsubscribe based upon the fraud. I'm sure there'll be plenty of Richard. Form is his real shit. Yeah but you know what no mattis us to. It could've been a few people from his his block. We've had this conversation on the phone three times right. You know but it's just us talking Cathal sense well shit thanks for coming in we lost buffet. Slow but appreciate you coming through hitting us with so much game now is love. Also we got Flash GOTTI GOT HISPANIC GROUP HEART owning angle. 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Ellievision, The Barstool Upfronts, Matt Barnes, and Rude Jude

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Ellievision, The Barstool Upfronts, Matt Barnes, and Rude Jude

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like dude I remember telling the sales people or marketing people from like a sizzle reel very podcast Dave Deirdre and Erica performed or presented I should say and we all got smash witty so the yeah I kind of did I kind of did this one didn't that didn't like kind of this is just like an event for advertisers certain things like you know ever Talladega like are almost winning Talladega had envisioned that having a twenty three year old girl who doesn't know anything about sports commentator sports to diehard Yankee fans fasted and it's all one hundred percent guaranteed to get the job done safe clean world class professional type products go to MD DOT com the Promo Code KFC get twenty five percent off your order not twenty twenty five CD MD DOT Com Promo Code K fresh off our upfront All in all a good event one of those I don't know I got this a lot last night people being like when you're signed up did you ever envision this was like I don't know about that anymore the little all 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getting my my event they'll give us their money but so last night we rented an event space very cool shots Danielle and everyone else put that together it was it's so funny because I was like a little from everybody is like Dave and then it's supposed to be me you have T- But like I was sitting I did I invision selling company selling thousands upon thousands of Lebron James Communist teachers well actually brother that one was one it's like that materialized in less than twenty four hours enough time for someone to get here from Chicago but not that much time and like yeah we we can like claim claim the company or whatever but I don't know who just like I just work here I don't know I envision it I just keep paying me so I livestream like that's a second screen experience it was everything from technology to personality to content to innovation to serendipity and lock that had he looks just like I mean I'll show you the tweet it looks like billy cost again no they danced rope dancing or whatever it is now rolling around the ceiling they hit a lady Gaga concert like insane you know up front where you get all your there's like babies in a corner last night or the second one we went to the Ainsworth at a bar and then last night we kind of did it like somewhat for real I mean some of these fronts they stopped paying me I mean I'm GonNa talk into a microphone about my dumb shit whether I'm getting paid or not until I die so whatever just give us your money I think I hate people like me who are have become so triggered to the potential trigger that they're ready for the trigger them along Ellie Ellie it's ball no but I mean that that to me it's a real shame that we couldn't we couldn't get the that stream or lease so yeah we did that last night the Elliott was wild the Elliott with some of the funniest content and I haven't been a part of but I wasn't really radio that up at the up fronts because to me if I if I'm ever pitching sports which Oh yeah right there is everything in a nutshell in the weirdest Dr it's one of our girls who one of our people know nothing about sports somehow coming into the sports world which kind of what we do here and you know with a crew die hard fans a that was borstal that's why bar is what it is that right there I actually I was surprised not surprised but there was a part of me that was like Oh boy we're in trouble because belly and I hope not because there should be no other reaction than like wow that was funny it was like flat out like in a Corny Internet way like brave did you fucking Pussy John is so truman it's I mean you were battered you know it's like and this is where I do understand this is the hands of the world and those guys point that like you shouldn't have to the guy you're joking about it I don't think it's technically a joke I'm just saying that personal check yeah like you're proving your own point here where it's like we're starting to see very hard for me to not react to anti Yankee stuff and then I mean I think was hurt tv a little bit delayed from our TV okay because really a starbucks in the other sipping her drink I was dying man and I mean as a Yankee hater watching them squirm was incredible it actually in a natural way when she took a phone call she had the phone in one hand like oh no nothing I'm not doing anything what are you doing think that way at all that shouldn't even be on your mind you should be able to fly but I disagree with that too because you should be considering what other people are GonNa think about what you say yeah to an extent though like I think that I forgot about the game yeah do story more so than the Astros came back and took a two to one lead and that was that was barstool right talked any possible way we get in trouble I mean that's that's just it doesn't like that doesn't matter it'd be like that picture that's yeah you that was above and beyond to work that was so yeah but I don't think there's been any yet backlash did you like people get mad and that happens we're used to that but now we're like getting ready for the backs of folders backlashes shot up just live life it's like a baseball fan wouldn't be able to describe what was going on there there was like infield singles and errors and like wild pitch while I run aw sorry try so that that to me there are certain moments where you could be like that is why Barstool is barstools let me let me just enjoy the maybe I had a tweet today about the guy missed the guy who I don't know man wanted by the police the true parcel difference and part of that element was also the white sox Dave storyline which I complimented a perfectly on the on hand you have Eliot who plays it perfectly and is like this news like baseball star and on the other hand you have a guy who's in the baseball world the Barstool who can't get taste like just standing there because people knew we had the game on background we can see what's happening so we really jumping silently like waiting to get out her to do it and he didn't know what she was talking about to go onto a livestream lasted like five hours today and have guys yell at you and like but she was the perfect character a lot of people replying actually looks like Leo could be him to the the backlashes no there wasn't jason would be like the girl sports talk about sports and it was but that also that intern made me realize that it didn't notice that I thought that was just not but so I actually got in the show this morning and then I was like fuck it you know it won't be out of his own way we'll always seems to like you know stumbling bumble through it who just gets you know sometimes a parcel everybody takes their turn in the blender and RC on camera or whatever it may be I think about it like being in a movie where it's like if you're the villain in the movie you're the bad guy but like and you're just like the butt of the joke and you need to like embrace that like it's like when things go wrong or or team loses or I do something fans it's like a gladiator like win the crowd when your freedom like get the sympathy like when when I'm over like to me if you are the like if you get the sympathy it was it was actually I became kind of a Yankee Fan 'cause I wanted good raton so it'd be like oh he had and it's going far I don't story right now and hopefully there's a redemption Ark I don't know if there's ever going to be one for you but I think there is one happening now because sad for him that he came wild pitch right Ellie Ellie Ellie kept saying he threw the ball and he caught it he threw the ball and he caught it and I was like listen you have to say that he caught it the country's always gonNA catch the ball no I was I was so mad about the upfront so I didn't go to the upfront I just wanted to say that the whole of all games there's a thirty minute umpire delay worth whatever happens and then I fuck man that's like a good observation I'm fucking says it's mad but that's what I feel like people not cosign I think that's ridiculous but before we even talk about the specifics I would argue that it with the with the world like the freaked Barstool people like no but I wish it got over the fence so he see them like wait is it they'd jump up and start hugging it was awesome I had such a fucking fun easy fans that WanNa borderline on crazy and then go full like troll hassles I think sympathy is like the best currency of ourselves if you if you do something if you get the he comes he does like competent baseball broadcasts like not great but like he's talking about you know and then you go home instead you'd look this woman call caller woman this woman she's a girl fucking this girl who knows nothing about sports sluts I'll do that right now what's to be so where are you going to go now the flip side though we were talking like so white sox Dave showed up and Dave the move in you know like if you're the punchline year like the loser it's not like we had Kalpana here right sound like he left van wilder the set feeling home will lose you have this new storyline which he's calling into more radio shows he's getting legs and he's getting you know the content of that and he now has everyone be like do so fans it you could put out more content you could do nothing it doesn't matter if people were just like oh come on like four guys a nice guy he's a common guy he's like me hasn't been but I was like maybe I'm like did don't worry about maybe maybe we'll get mad I'm not even seen it will be mad about he's wanted in a missing person stopped Allie from happening he would be the villain like everyone hate him so trust me Dave you dodged the ball on that one because everyone would have been like bring Alabama say Ellie never was even part of it you can catch all of our podcasts and all electric goal dot com slash K.. Through one thing I learned up next week I I would actually looks exactly right I mean it's by the way I got man that's it's real life so it is different but it's not the only way you're gonNA survive it is white sox says for himself like I'm like the loser Oy in order to stir the story line up here said he's not even allowed upstairs like don't even forget forget you're not allowed to stream don't let them in the building he sends down one month is it a half duplex not the of the joke it wasn't a god he's just doing any about sport now she was worried about that in the beginning I was like I don't think that's GonNa be the case at all no it was absolutely not but I thought maybe it's the time to get here I'll tell you what if he dave not letting them in the building is what like Kinda swung the pendulum white sox days way what are you guys have sympathy but part of me if I was in his shoes I would definitely not let it go down that so there is something to it where it's like this is shot to your ego and your pride if we were willing to like bum rushed you know that the honestly the best thing that could happen to say it was getting sent home I totally agree if he lets say Elliot happened let's say first of all if he if he came in and that's the part and I almost didn't send that we can we put that up on the Senate and put up on a bar goal dot com slash KFC To Watch upset about that are just I also Dave had three by three PM yesterday he news coming or do be on the day before yeah it was that if I actually what was very that was the gum did you see that even taking the gun with so funny no gum because we said he needed to have gum while he was doing the broadcast because of his infamous tv what happened and it was just like white sox like Mr Mr Big Event Right You'd be crucified yes it'd be like sleeping through Paul it'd be like any other things where it's like Eddie now we did say though like if I'm white sox Dave I'm like throwing a punch I'm bum rush rush would that would be funny to right so so like part of it I'm like I they fired back done I love airports I love airplanes I mean that's the other thing too the people freaking out about it like it's not like like he made him against him sleep listen John's got sleep problems but when he shows up to work even if he's tired he's always looking sharp can I can I tell you stupid drama yeah I know we were planning on going on vacation at the end of October we're pretty much there now we're not going to resign so bad so bad vacation because of gene white sox Dave's the best I'd sign for that right fucking now you know it's been it's been a couple of years is is a Barstool said GonNa fly to California Right now opposite won't be jumping down his throat for this show so like come up and also fucking relax I can't I honestly we're GONNA we're doing it I probably not probably not other persona barstool like the degree people who are like Oh day was the white sox I guarantee you almost everyone who says that has demanded white sox Dave or someone else you a text I sent this morning where it was they've been at seven twenty a m jackhammer outside my bill was you just didn't get here in time and you you don't get the blame the airlines you last night you kinda comfortably the morning you've got too close and you got you got burned that would be the you fired up for and it's like yeah you tease for a second he had to have hit that flying a plane for three hours total I think it's a pretty quick flood in Chicago it's not that big a deal people who are just like Prince and what's actually it was like well what am I supposed to do this now dude like mad about that and he was like can I have some he's one of those orbits like jars towards thin one of our interns we'll just hilarious area that's fucking funny to set down the skinny intern who hasn't said a word and you have to block downed over you don't know what's in or out you don't know what materials what to wear with these accessories all that shit so stitch fix comes in with personal stylists experts in the field is up as good as pulling a fit off feels a lot of guys out there most of us are lost you don't know how to put one off you don't know what to buy you don't know what to match with you don't know the color scheme back and she waited a little while juice she was at work and she said I'm sorry that sucks and I replied that's okay like today so I'm going to bet a mode handful and gives it back to them I don't know why but I'll take the gum thanks man it was just so fucking funny just laugh at the and the people who take it to first of all the people who get like the chick-fil-a sandwich and the dirty fuck and food and AL comprising about this getting on a plane I just too it's too much drama it's too much that you don't keep and they'll keep sending money boxes that update with the seasons that update with your style of date with your size and your personal preferences you was that the one where we were like an honor panel yeah I guess so right on the second floor we just had him on the second floor and we kind of just like all spoke for two minutes Q. and A. Yeah and it was remember the pictures yeah they they'll self doubt there was zero doubt themselves or other people no doubt but self-doubt shirts killing it that's why you gotta get down with sticks who do all that work for you they send you a package clothes several items per month and you pick what you want you take what you keep what you like you send back what you don't like you don't have to pay for like all morning and someone needs to die for it is a great reason to murder I'll defend us they start seventy and this is fucking insane don't you have noise ordinances said apparently I got men women kids all of the US end in the UK shout out to our to our UK people have you heard the guys trying to do British accents eh one being mean are very often people who spend their entire day being mean people online yeah all have the entire day like I met people who were like like allow you had some questions on stitch fix by your preferred style and your personal shopper will cater and curate that box of clothes shoes and accessories so that you'll look your best to parcel advisors when there's a London game they do British accents or buff it's insane Dave's Portnoy I've I can't imagine you just he that's it that's nice clothes chains earth everything could be in a bad mood you could be bad circumstances whatever it is when self-doubt shirt that he's wearing that's the old USA basketball logo I don't even doesn't make sense to me why they chose USA basketball logo to be the south I think it's a great juxtaposition make sense like how is that legal how was it legal for seven am because that's the people are already awake so the and there's only a twenty dollars fee that gets automatically applied to everything keeping your box so get started today go to stitch fix dot com slash KFC get twenty five percent off when you keep so bad days will say trio all the time and Tommy says pip pip it's staggeringly back kids and not look for comparison he goes should about work but again that's the story line like think about it like all right like kids like trying to stop me would it be good in your box a quarter off as long as you keep all the items in your first box when you go to stitch fix dot com slash KFC it like New York on the Jack Cameron to laugh you a little bit he goes like he does his high boy changes in octaves reason he's like oh London and Dave I almost doing it too good there it's it's like they've never even like they'd never done it like once goofing around or anything it was the first time ever done it terrible so shout out to the UK no commitment required it's just a monthly l.. Let you pull a fit off your like whatever as long as I had the fucking I the raincoats with this incident cone maybe make sure you watch it on goal because acting like physically bad he would have been working anyway and said he was on a plane a couple of whiskies on the plane on the way home and a couple of airport charges of the game blocking product up it's maybe a little like a little bit early but that's it seven am early you're missing out like I I would argue I would imagine actually wouldn't like most like construction unions it was incessant cameron with simultaneous trust is backing up I spent more time trying to fall asleep then I got sleep last night I I was just like what I did the pillow trick I was GonNa say if you picture you go everybody who has everyone who has a job at nine with any semblance of a commute up you have your shower and get ready and maybe some breakfast for an hour and then you commute for forty five minutes a set so much sleep it's like that's like one of the sleep I it was like one am to am I get it because it's like you can't sleep that's woke up a little bit early yeah that's blinds because it's the more I couldn't get I can sleep through that sunshine when it's already asleep but when you wake me up at didn't start stirring me at seven Zane the normal is graduates seven am that means these guys got up at like five am to ruin my look he's got a five year there are a lot of takes from seven to nine no no no so I spent from seven am no ten am rolling around on my bed trying to get back to sleep is these guys wait wait that's these guys no no the most people aren't up at seven am yes they know they're not you having babies is different most people don't have babies no no I tied to teacher my head because because he had like eight thirty it was so bright they say it was in my fucking bedroom have you ever heard like a truck when they go over like a bump and like the the back door like Oh workday is nine to five anymore it's ten now knowing most every what I know I know onto go fuck it hammer in front of their houses everyone who's working at like a the register at a coffee shop whatever they're up them to I don't drink coffee it'll give shit about them it just goes to work gets up at ten am goes to work at a clue who do you know my brother and my girlfriend I say I don't think you have any friends freak out you are a Doofus we've got two interviews on the show today we got Matt Barnes whose launching his own podcast with Stephen Jackson which is officially the toughest podcast eight two four shifts is able to be different L. or not freak out but seven is crazy but so I I would understand fine but so then you're only getting early missing like an hour Fleischmann Eric Fleischmann yesterday get my haircut. She was rock in the off White Grim Reaper Blazers Scott good good good sneaker game that does at ten am but we were college kids we were waking up and being adults villa college head stupid shirt wear the college kid I mean I need to I need to tie so I I look like fucking Zoro would I lie pillow around my head try to fall back sleep and they wouldn't see title of Buck with John that son of a bitch it'd probably like time to go to work because everyone else is up and going to work to know what's up it's going to work everyone's up at seventy no no this is the those two guys that nobody trifles with Matt Barnes route so we'll get into that the first our voicemails brought to you by Oh allow it I will beat into it I'm not happy about it but I guess I'll preferred nine thirty ten if you Jack Marin but if they I guess worse many friends I don't know what time anyone else goes to work on friends who get in at seven on the Stock Exchange fucked received that means you could take a capsule you could use some ocean there's a spray there's bath bombs there's tinctures basically any which way you can get into your body on the game I'd say we've been dethroned the previous one but now matt and Stack are going to dominate that field and we got a rude in the game in the building I hate her for it because she can wear like boys size five and she pays like nothing forum so Gough Erica got the on the other hand you have Jude Judas a fucking trip man so a couple that's actually a pretty intimidating guests there the thirty year old college student I forget your bro Ever land nobody goes to work till eleven I got it was it was fucking crazy how can these construction workers work I don't fuck off because we need you you've been really crushing it for us this this last one I was I was very happy with this latest haircut good job Erica turns eh it goes dot com God allowed to sing in the fucking world we used to call in the bomb trucks used to drive around Fordham's campus and the speed bumps on the campus comb and we will hear that he came through and did an interview a little while ago drug talked today patients talk on the one hand you have Matt Barnes being like smoke a little weed go to sleep workout workout I refuse to accept that apparently this maybe you can go go to work fucking play with the addict for an hour you start jackhammer eight chrome the rundown and Brian Walker looks like he cuts his four nine and and big cat was like just like let our figure that out and Dave was you know a thing or two about here and that's why I trust her I actually heard even Dave for the first time today didn't didn't knock question because they were talking about brainwashed Aubrey money invested in herself and opened up several salons and she's she's coming out with the shampoo conditioner hair products the whole nine everything you need like if you can pull it off then we like it so john was pulling it off it doesn't mean it was actually good yeah but even you would think you look back on the video he's pulling it off there Z. 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S. because I remember I remember looking good too and I got the video what the fuck is that I remember saying he looked like Jackson main from a star is born Bradley Cooper you guys are called on to describe a little situation that happened with our buddy about a month ago Diane call this one in so basically we've got a we've got a friend I'm trying to get news from his friend or the girl who sent him for fifteen dollars and what was your price that this is a whole I have two questions winded situation one hulas worse you know him creating the account to try and get a straight up and trying to hit on me honestly with with the instagram account but we found out that one of our friends that picture of her and her producer Alana off her desk took a picture of it sent it to Ellie and said Hey I have your picture I'm still yeah if you don't know that story there was a dude here in the office for the golf classic and these guys come in they mingle and drinks and shit and he stole Elis fine but you're also probably like like mean girls shit goes on you're like harassing people damning people if you have I so out of the world of creeping ooh man red sox almost scored there it's fucking bullshit fucked merica hate people I hate people I hate that fucking guy who's in the opposite I being creepy the city if you want to get a drink and come get it back in what world is holding a girl's property ransom good idea weird I'll say it with girls not not looking for news but if you have burner accounts cower them guys do worse things with S- correct but what are you fucking Edward Snowden they're in fucking China and you're GONNA get kidnapped US put your name to things I hate when they do that shit where it's like it's like Dude Oh fucking host issues CR- this is why this is a roller coaster I think the question is easy I think what he looks worse I think you're I think like I think the even a big story I know that because of New York City Nypd and New York blogging there was a guy who got sent to jail because he got caught like sending letters to people saying like I'm GonNa Cigarette put shut the fuck up we're in America nothing bad can happen people say it's twitter they'll be like dude what like what if I have a fake name just because I have a real edvin like wait how you back to the thing I don't care about that but I I was like I'm not looking at other people's but I don't like that when you follow someone everyone the job did fuck and social media as long as you're not saying things that are bad that normal fucking human beings would say and not just using it for a troll cal you're not getting fired if you have multiple accounts of Shit it's fucking especially anonymous accounts and things like that so fucking problem and like I feel yourself on the Internet right why is going to be hitting is reading about the instagram update the other day where it's like it takes away your followers like something that I didn't know I think I'd accidentally got paid a time or two it's weird but it just hotness from God damn cycle test I mean chicks water the puck Ted Bundy heartless trump's all back hugh we'll say by regular person to do I think there's a fine line with trying to pick girls up between like what can be called like cute or creative and creepy art out of her ass I wanted to take her bathwater listener for walkie-talkie drag my nuts through three miles of broken glass and hot sauce just to get a chance to given dudes with dicks a bad name and it's it's like you're you're you're not representing my 'cause well you're just be creepy astle and one of Ah John is very much like he wants to the family oh no I just wanted to bring him walkers here is very Puerto Brain Walker oh I got it has to be you're right this is your out of my circle of friends oh we are this is like register on a list type show we are not friends this actual Predator type ship is so he's a friend who's a boy yeah he's probably making fake accounts trying to see your pussy I've said I agree I think I'd say guys and girls can be friends but they wanNA fuck each other it's like that's the end all be all right there like a mass murderer as sex icon even worse than that the chicks WanNa fuck the cannibal cop just to hear her say my name I don't know live long all your fucking it was like mildly funny she is an icon he's like a famous person this guy's fucking nobody anyway but this is one of these is bothering me like weighing on me more and more and more at all I don't care I just didn't know I didn't know people could no I didn't know it was the thing out there that's just not something you're fucking weird man you're really weird Oh my God what's the line from Ohio has never done a fucking loser at least on my show yeah I suck this is not on that line though sometimes you drop a line and like we always say like Tom Brady if you're looking you get away with it if you're ugly you're a creep this guy was it probably works you know I I mean if he super hot it always works but like you stole my shit and then took a picture and they tried to lure me to a bar with it like it's fucking them now yeah I'd fuck them I could see I think I think you can be friends with an ugly person now you'll fix that I only have a single friend who took Elliot's picture total creep was I want to say his name finding out what we're going to say it that fucking son of a bit hate these people I think people a stool account and then that fucks up the dynamic it has to be mutually agreed upon that we're not fucking right so even if I think hey I could be with you you have to agree and like say chances happy here but if you tell me that like guys girls can be friends I'm I'm a said you this story right here because this is the Kinda Shit that's most likely going on if you have a guy friend yeah a friend who's a guy he's not my boyfriend you can see I'm GonNa try to throw the I'm gonNA spins on this for this girl I'm GonNa try I think that like maybe she just wants like the thrill of like sending news with the team wants to keep locked up forever how I WANNA I wanna buy this girl and see if I if I had jeff as money I would buy this girl and never let her out of my house on a comment section in two thousand eight ninety more bro I'm not I'm not sitting here like I'm not trying to white night for anyone who's like you're an asshole you're a fucking loser yeah renewed fifteen bucks and she was just like a voyeur and she's like okay fine that's better to me than haggling to fifty dollars if you negotiate and arrive at fifteen dollars you have no self respect I might be at home with fake accounts asking you for newt's so like if he's doing that have some respect yourself all I'll say though the one people still use all the time it's like I dragged my Dick through glass tired shut up you're going to be a fucking creeping original if you say I want to drink your bathwater normal it's everyone's better you sure you better not ever DMZ girl sit on my face that you didn't know digits sexting fine whatever yeah no he if you're if you know of you're my friends I have a lot of friends this office and they know I get a lot of the bar preloader for Huckabee though locks that means in your head you said my body's worth fifteen dollars I'll send you that I think it's better to be like yeah this is sexy I don't care if you get fifteen bucks all right whatever taboo even about the money she just like I'm out here on the Internet she's like into Voyeur Shit because fifteen is criminals do you think they haggled negotiation enough I agree because like I said you'll be making me look bad and that's why I step in I I will use this as an example I think being you disagree on this one and I'm generalizing okay you want to be a creep five book better at it at least be original at least being original creep and I but I will say this if ever Dr Do to stop being weird on the Internet stopped the normal subject to the t shirt now go to Casey Radio Section of the barstools store get the shirt be oh you know what is boop that's actually pretty market value yeah that's true that is a look at your boobs pretty high because we have blue checkmark because of of like we might you know they do they there's like a sexual tension there no just like a hot brand is it friends with ugly person we no matter which way it goes like I think all of my friends at least buckle guys and girls I mean I'm friends with you I'm fucking well I have sex I think I I mean there's some people right that's what I'm saying for two thousand dollars people all you'd be idiot not to take that yeah but I mean everybody everybody's out here I mean it's not like most people are that's that's a tough luxury when you have when you're a father so with the kids involved and Dick in the face caused mission yeah I I'd say it's like six figures Hawkeye Handy with some girl girl's guide it's not like they're you be platonic but it's like it's gotta be like a chosen platonic like I'm just not got exposed because we have to keep up a certain standard I think the number has got to be really high for once we get exposed to go look it was Dr if one person is prettier than the other if I don't WanNa fuck you but you WanNa fuck me it's hard to be friends so it's like or just going to be you might think so but the you know what's even worse than that the people are Sophie Julia will sometimes have screen shots guys energy yeah I think she finds it funny or whatever but it bothers me fuck you people like a two way thing so like I personally think I could be friends with a let's say a fat ugly call some of them not attracted to be your friend but then but she might be attracted to me being money for dudes most people are just like dumb slutty people right right so like I mean my numbers actually zero hot chicken we're sexy considerably now my friends my coworkers there's like there's someone sitting at their desks right now who's ugly he's like I guess John Going I guess I'm guessing Muggy on says fifteen he probably could have said semi news and she was just like I'm into it this is Kinky said if you get a free in a lot of people don't spend any money I think if you if you arrive upon fifteen side-effect maybe she was calling them out like this guy's not not going to do this and then he just choose to bend Mo- news I guess deal's a deal I had to send you my posey now let's also I think there's so little taboo thing but that's why I don't really do anymore I it doesn't anyhow but there's enough that it would be scandal or store as a million dollars or one or like you in a Thong girl because that means you value that girl l. her and eat her recipe I'm GonNa believe in the US and Chili powder and girls visited him in jail to fuck him at least Ted Bundy regular day I probably haven't sent a nude in god-knows-how-long also wiped up now though you're poor girls at home just so fucking desert dried up waiting for really yes if there's any chance I can get to it's gotta be like curls like no dude she fucking offering fifteen dollars I think solicited like if you want if people want it's agreed upon like so many people are doing it that like there there can't be much taboo or stigma attached to it anymore dollars zone out there yeah so wasting my time I money bitch things time boobs are wasting time what is your number this isn't like send a nude yeah what our cards on the table we're always making fun of our decks and stuff but I think my Dick's good enough to send a DICK PIC yeah I've sent them but are you ever when you send them I I don't I don't have I mean my thing always is my kids if I didn't have kids like I played put my own on the Internet it's gotTa be six figures I know what I'm going to do I'm going to go Walter White with the seven hundred forty seven thousand dollars to take care of my family guys like Harry if I if I was just like any ten thousand followers and all you put my take on the Internet and I would just use it I don't want you know we are at the point by the way where we need to a little bit d stigmatize a little bit because I'm talking about past couple years it's still my appearance move like my my naked body I don't like that pick the johnny are you are you confident enough and you're sending them around like let's let's let's viewed throughout fifteen number like you have no self esteem but can you going back and so if this guy from five hundred dollars but if this guy said like hey sixteen hours on my phone today thirty seconds of a look at your let's break that down for for what the pricing is dollar I lost I lost I lost at least fifteen insecure about that I know you shouldn't be but I am yeah I I've shouldn't be I don't WanNa be that's okay but you shouldn't be here you're okay that's the number if you give me Heisenberg money you can see my deck see my door just a little bit sexy and you catch me late now you sent me a sex do I've I'm scared the thing I would skip three probably yeah I don't know like I could excel relatively draft when you guys and girls befriends it's always going to be it should be insecure about but I'm not talking hey I'm going to do what am I actually insecure about now I really have been deadened after the deluge of hate nudes worth seven fifty that's like a trust thing that's like a destruction but the thing that scares me about like a new addict leaky in this scenario here where I just feel like it would get spun into like sexual harassment where it's a yeah so they asked me to I don't want to deal with the case then it's like are you insecure I used to be insecure on my nose I was at a bar or by parents like saw myself in the process and even I was like not bad enough to be like a problem not a small those normally it's like it's a little bit smaller than doubled their nose but if you want to get surgery we'll do we'll just like you got to nose job we'll get the liposuction we gotta be a nice little boys outing KFC dollars okay but I mean like how it's a story when athletes son becomes like an athlete yeah great sex but I'm pretty good at it yeah and you always joke about things that like you're comfortable joking I'm not GonNa Make Fun of my actual insecurities where like then I'm GonNa get myself all fucking for clubs in their their contracts we started talking about how they can make even more money and we're talking about Lebron James Selling sperm and how much like are you actually pretty confident in it yes yeah I'm with it that's why you make fun of those we have a little Dick because it gets we'll also pick is pretty good we've actually listen I saw the best but it's pretty good and like I'll I'll be able to get you off but I get you off on and off of that or William Cylinder right so the question is how much would you spend for for an athlete sperms have sent them are you like I guess I have to do this or you kind of like that one's pretty good oh I did anyone I send us the A. One yeah but but again meeting your is your a one me with your yeah I look at tit come on that's like a that's a waste of my time yeah I got my screen lawyer yeah spend spend like let you could ensure that your children will be phenomenal sports stars and which athlete would take care I would send branding and it's just like my let's let's let's say like my Dick and my face like it's a viable yeah kid like Michael Jordan gets you to be like on the UNC basketball team right what are we doing that's why I think it's crazy that Vlad Guerrero Junior bopha shed what I had to but there are hands at one time I said insecurity has all time fucking shit hands that's one things around I used to hate the TBS broadcast now. I kinda love it Frank Thomas a Rod Poppy Sheffield Pedro in the in the studio and I'm thinking like like it's pretty rare it's it's it's a big deal I I would bet there ten former football players who have their children NFL right now yeah doc you know what you're right did we not talk about did I hallucinate that I dream this didn't your mom say when you get to do something for your nose yeah that was all about today but the fact that they're all in the league find out right now and they're on the edge on the blue I mean that's like they just someone my age who was like Video Guerrero shot these guys I also feel I had this epiphany last night 'cause I look at the TV crew which is really turned eighty five th J P in Jersey of senators on my guy about these athletes and how much money they make their endorsement deals now sometimes it's even more and Craig Ratios kid what's his name like Falcon or some shit some stupid as it really now it's like ray no it's Raymond it's it's a stupid extend it's much different landscape now but I think I think the I think the professionalism taking away in a good way right yeah my security I will not talk about those are locked away enough I don't know if I have any one security have made fun of pretty much everything about me I don't when our dads are that second generation before us when they were watching and it was like I mean I don't I can't even think off the top of my head because I wasn't really paying attention but I know I'll have a problem with no job sometimes I wish Kayla which was a little smaller I mean my nose I don't really fucking cares a ball and I love the fact that he's on the call 'cause he was just like so professional I love Pedro like thaw like it's like watching all your heroes I mean I don't know I don't have a number of obviously but I get your point it's it's it's not Lebron James Kid being as good as he appears you may end up being is like a the rarity yeah I'm not I'm not everyone knows team placement but I'd like to see what they could do with that flow so they actually I'm going to go against everyone here Erica did not take a Brandon Walker appointment Ed let's see how about Albert Bell Crime let's see Alabel arrested for indecent exposure these legal troubles tab a totally different thing than it was I don't even say ten rangers very new Albert Bell on one of these scary mother never bill is he in jail I think he's got the blue jays hired like a fifteen year old to be their head of scouting and he just happened to work out where it's just like his daddy played baseball pin or no you know what I think might be opposite I think he hires were they loving those like analysts because they're the guys that they watched I would I would bet no because I think the newer thing I I I'm not not not analysis although yes I'm just doing the the season jail in two thousand six for violating restraining order stocking ex-girlfriend he's he's still roy raging hard most stay quiet and stay in line professional era of professionalism like now you now it's beat yourself now it's make yourself marketable have fun be a good time and second coming the second generation is blue this blue jays hired Kevin Kevin Kevin Matt Stupid Name Tavern but in Wikipedia but by the way hell the law player Halibut well that's the most recent okay he is sports scores like it could be that likable in the first place right now it's like you show up at your personality right now does he they were like oh man I remember watching Tim Macabre you know we were at dinner to just like Jon wouldn't you do somebody note you were talking about I'll tell you what I'd be insecure about my mom making fun of me all the time you're going to get that thing a couple of cases that he murdered somebody think he's got earlier why I think he avid abuse cuts Madeleine's rape somebody really not I don't know like Mark Marcus Jordan is just like selling shoes margins Jordan went to ucf I think his daddy like you know made them made the school like right everybody's they retired but they're not out of your life they're actually more and you'll have more yet better way they were in a lot of them and PAPI Pedro no most underrated people in any field ever fifty fifty once you fifty dollars fifty doubles or something like that core you know like he's his brains body odors ravaged by all that's right remember that's that yeah yeah yeah I mean Helluva ballplayer one of the all time how you get socially shamed right so if somebody finds out that one of these donor kids is like you know has a disease we're looking for get there get there aren't adequate earned it now awful awful world shore for professional athletes the athleticism to get my kid to normal life he'll he'll he'll be captured every school teams maybe he'll get a D. three scholarship and we're talking scholarships so like to overcome my unathletic this athlete like Serena Williams is not enough to be like superhuman I really do kids just going to end up would it be broke the Sammy Sammy Danny Brooke is but I think something happened we have a bell I think I think they like confiscated the bats and then somebody broken stole that take the smart ones or the big ones if they were just like okay careful with China right now yep don't what team China China we're pro China Okay Oh wait so if you haven't seen making I also feel like I mean don't you like sign I would never give my com unless I signed something like you are waves of all the had to be a part of our that's going to be good but this also this question reminded me of one of my only favorite late night jokes I ever heard Never GonNa do it because it's just almost every athlete which only become a stud horse now then you think about that's what horses they just like one hundred grand ah yeah but he would point to his arm and be like there's the court well yeah I mean you're cheating their corks up in there too yeah he's fifty home runs yeah get a d. three look for sure and that's that'll be his life and then and then he has to figure out what to do for basketball for school that has one hundred students I don't care for late night television but Tom Brady was on letterman after like four season Gimme like Zuckerberg ugly like a good looking guy like some Oscar brain come get me some months brain come I'll pay you last episode great smile Million Dollar Smile all the time we were talking about how he used to have bad teeth before he got him fixed and how basically like GonNa ruin his life up until then he was he had to be awkward about smiling has all of his family was asking whether you're going to get that fixed wink Woah and quip has the toothbrush to do it it's got the vibration so you know you scrub your teeth but you also get the the like sonar pulses load right yeah but if the legal ramifications of this if you like someone was just like well now you pay child support you think you may have seen in debt yeah but you have four kids live from last night yet go watch making a gambler it's we are big time balking pro China I I've seen it it's fucking awesome there's a lot of China Eh fucking man I haven patriots I last westbound of the day is brought to you by quipped got to have those pearly whites shot Joe Koi he was on the episode yesterday it's like using a dull knife it doesn't cut doesn't clean so these brush heads come every three months which is on a dentist recommended schedule delivered right to your door so bad oh yeah the cavs out of high school best I wanna be I think a lot of kids just lived normal lives and my my kid that's like one of those underrated days here for me we'll just came into radio than I like that with a rat in a Tina Copenhagen it was like less rap boys get clowned on like the Buffon Bowl and all that he was really like letting it fly that was great thirty rock was awesome he was so cool them he was like he was there a sponsoring bud light but it was just like even that's cool pays me nineteen inches and jar whatever you've thought fucking UCAR biles coming out then he will for legend like not brush your teeth because you didn't like your parents said to go brush your teeth and you just went into I wasn't that guy you do it the kid visible book is definitely faster stronger ever all of it every he's definitely a better athlete than Tom that plaque and ginger vitus and whatnot and it's got a timer on the pulse you know went to switch sides when to switch top and bottom you get a full dentist recommended two minutes Baz surprise when a bowling ball baby his twenty three pounds about that story but this is going to bother okay I done that and I done what the only guy ever do that fifty home runs and fifty doubles in the shortened season Jesus Rice but this this question also reminded me of one of my favorite jokes minor back in the day get the ones that had the the the indicator on it just like a low pass that make well that's broken he like came in and felt the toothbrushes yeah I guess he was on the metrics yeah and it was so fucking pissed at me for lion to that he likes to storm it's got the thirty second pulses to make sure you want to switch side the main thing that we don't do with our regular toothbrushes is changed the heads we keep on brushing them down until the point that you know Ron legal or not like you're gonNA ask a great point Lebron's like that's not my kid and so yes it is and he's dying of cancer you're gonNA help them but my other thing is though if that happened to me I you'd be like well I wanted to fuck then Tom Hey works I'd be okay because he's the only a better all like a superhero like Oh my God I haven't missed a day brushing my teeth called good heretic you know what that means you know I don't have any money but I'd pay you some of it the the yes this could be like a wildly aimed through through all right I'll starving screen early are the Supreme Court for a like just the things happen that aren't illegal but slam the drawers and kick the fucking door up firearms and I think that's weird and then I realized he was doing that instead of beating US happiest bowl and Letterman was kind of like now is it true that a woman wrote to you asking for your sperm. Tom was like she