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Suspiria

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28:37 min | 2 years ago

Suspiria

"Hello and welcome to the molecule coaches show with me bounds. Last year. The phone director Luca Nino charmed audiences with the beautiful. I love romance cooing bio name this year. He gives us suspicious. It's a little different a super gory cold-blooded yet camp remake of Dario agendas. Nine hundred seventy seven horrid classic of the same name of lingering glances their view, you'll be peeping through your fingers warm summer nights. Well, we're in a wet and cold and divided Berlin blood curdling screams, though, take your pick. What has been trying to make su- spirit for over a decade? So has he done the original Justice? What sort of thing is it? And can we enjoy every night of cutting edge contemporary? Could we have join me in the studio today to discuss the film critics Cimarron hands and Jason solvent. So it's west Berlin in nineteen seventy seven ambitious young dancer from America payback coated Johnson turns up tradition for the God. Helena, Marcus don't school headed by the steer elegant Madame Blanc. That's Tilda Swinton people Patrizio has disappeared. But why what's going on in this dark costal of mirrors mobile and beautiful outfits at the same time. Dr Joseph Klemperer, an elderly psychiatrist grease his wife lost the concentration camps Third Reich. His story and the secrets of the dawn school become one sort of. Decide what is it you want to be for this company? There's more building what you can see. Dangerous people. Well, Jason welcome to the program. The sound of goal. How did spirit leave you feeling? Well, I haven't actually seen the original films. So I kind of debated and toyed with maybe watching it first. And then I thought maybe not maybe I'll just go in and see it for what it is. And I'm not particularly a sort of see fan of decay. Guadagnino? I really like biggest Blache I'm kind of my owed on Koby your name. I think am not as is. All right. So, you know, maybe a skeptic going in and actually I think they're of ways which does film doesn't quite what. But I was kind of into it Jason is quoting on you say that not even body of work look equality near who's done. I mean, even in in a good bye. We call the desire trilogy, which sort of a. Numeracy for us. Yeah. Which I think is very loose over there. I mean, I think he kind of said I've made to can I have some money for more trilogy. A trilogy off to the. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I don't see that. I see spirit very much Paul desire trilogy. 'cause they there is a sort of absolute cupidite easy involved in in people wanting stuff all over the place, you know, coat to capitol once report of this call valley and Tilda Swinton wants to get her Mazda. Peace out there this Mazda work, Don. So she's got everybody. And so there's a lot of that going on. And I think it's a film of very much about desire, and it's an inner desire as well. To honor the the memory of our Gento almost to trash the memory of Argenta think isn't Omar's to it. But I think it's completely different movie. Every once in a way to remake of eight isn't a told it sort of based on a similar idea. It's very very different too. I think it's better I'm not horrifying. So I think this art house scary Keith bone cracking mirror of refracting arthouse, ballet dance. Brilliant out there as kind of like, I kind of I kind of loved it like a long Italian lunch, but full of too many rich flavors in different dishes and five courses, you know, in that well past love finished. They said, no you. This is like, yes, he's kind of never ending. But it Hel. Held me. It's had kind of quite mixed reviews and pay people saying there's a little dips in the kind of plot and things in the pacing. I of kinda stuck with similar to so one of the things about this is that it's in six parts, and then there's an epilogue as well. And the film is quite long. I think it's two and a half hours. Yes. I it's a lengthy film. And it's not a quick to half hours either you kind of have to stick it out. And I think that's one of my problems with the pace kind of dips and drags a little bit and places, but it's for me less about plot and pacing more about mood, and it creates this really charged erotic mood. There's not really any kind of like sex ROY mount Senate. It's just kind of like undeterred and the dance sequences. Also, very sexy. I think there's a lot of but through the medium of Hans which is safer sex and some kind of way, but I do think he's sexy movie. And as you say, I don't think he's about plot and pace it which is why it's a little bit long. If you haven't really got much to say past the hour, Mark they would have been better condensed. But then we'd have lost the kind of the gin, yo the colors. I really I'm not leaving this dinner. I'm staying right to the end. It's a beautiful thing. I mean, it looked like a lot of Grenier works a lot for fashion. Houses shoots mazes of pigment short films, and does a little work set design and all the rest of it. And you could see that there are some wonderful Tilda Swinton. In fact, lot of the actresses in our great cricket actions vigor clothes horses as well. Right. And there's a lot of this great beautiful shots in it that look like they could been ripped from the advert page from vogue. They like that y'all commercials. Something. Wearing red. I mean. For American charge. Exactly. Waiting in the wind and the interiors is over there's an absence Stein. There's a little big there's a little big high, doors and windows opened up and all the rest of age in burgundy Brown and a friend of mine. She kind of sore the reference I have to credit her in steal it for myself. But she's the references Prada's autumn twenty fourteen collection the trench coats and the kind of yet Bauge long skirts. It's worth worth giving Google, right? He's basing actually on that runway. I'm I don't know if it's like a direct reference point. But I think there's a there's a sort of product palette goats. I don't say this. I am love which was shot in Milan. And in that house industrial husband the best cutlery ever. I mean, he's very waited two buildings. So even the villa in biggest bash the Palazzo in coined by name these buildings have a character. This this building is essential Carragee kind of moves and shakes informs. What's going on psychologically in the character? So I think he's very kind of architectural in that interior that the how they work on our interior them. I think this film throbs with history said some sort of saying was rather VS. It's about fascism in the kind of, you know, the the Nazism, but seventies Berlin, you can't get away from that legacy. This this is the place where it happened the goes to live in the streets, not very front and center the way the old film. It was sort of in the it was sort of understood that that would be in the periphery because it was a film made in nine hundred seventy seven this film said in ninety seventy seven so of that bottom line half that Red Army Faction and the second World War and all the rest of it. And especially Klemperer carry. Actor drowsy right back. All that stuff. It said he doesn't dance the dance is about last stuff. Yeah. Interpreting history don't vote very troublesome entitled troublesome paces powerful the peanut Bausch. And even what he does now. So I think those rather beautifully done it easy to do. And I should us wins having a bowl in the middle of that people. It's a hot thing we do. She's elliott. I think she improvised that line. She must have put in. It's just sounds like tool to Swinton it reeks Tilda Swinton. But I think she is. I think she's magnificent in imperious. And that's how you want you to Winston to be. I wouldn't miss. Yeah. No, she's she's very attractive character. Terrifying. This. Oh, great sina facing fried chicken with Dakota Johnson, which is all I've ever wanted to see on film to be on. This. It has gone fried chicken team in as well as important. It's always important to prop of our day. But other than say about to out to say, oh, not the most Carter's she doesn't play just Madame blown nothing. We think because I think that that is being a kind of palm positive part of the mystery is she also where you can tell us. Yes. Because when I was watching I was thinking bloat looks bit weird that Mr. camera, and then there was some it's very funny history of it because Dakota Jones was asked in an interview before the film festivals venison than Toronto. As she went. Who knows lovely Mr. Kemp? Ruse great great actors actress pay by Elsa behalf. Really great, really good. Then what an east deny in? And then eventually told us witness admitted it was me in the now it's out there. It was her. But she it's not her. It's her she's playing an actress who plays this guy. So she's she's invented a character for herself to play this guy. Extra. There is another actress that she is playing that has had the prestige. Exactly. So it isn't till the technically her apparently. And then Luca Toby at a lot of festival that I'm going to say again because she's pay the third character somewhere in the movie as well. And I have so I've read I can spot that. Do you want me to spoil it? Maybe we used to. So I went into the film, not realizing that she had played multiple roles and read about them off towards and when you think about it in hindsight, it's actually quite obvious. And I think the perspective makeup is quite terrible. Understand what the point is what I was gonna ask this is because there are moments quite a lot of the emotional punch. The film is delivered through the character Klemperer, actually, and it's a strange you can't act so well with pussies and it's face work. Right. This is close up face work. So it's a little a little bit of a funny one you kind of want you to main protagonists to be to be giving doing that. I don't really understand that characterize don't understand his function other than maybe as a way into the school or that. We do have to coach Johnson Ceesay for that. And I think the interesting thing about Klemperer is that he is the only male character in the whole film, everybody else's a woman, and it's very kind of Montreal. Yes of women heavy coven. And so it's interesting there is just this one mayo character, and he has a really sort of align really annoyed me when some character. I can't remember exactly who is tells him off. And she says to him, you know, you don't listen to women they tell you the truth. And you Dante when women tell you the truth, you don't pity them. You tell them that they have delusions, and I just felt like that was on the news. You know, I get that. This film is being made in of feminist moment and eight wants to tattoo graph it. So if women front politics. But I just love those two up this do that because people in Venezuela. Very women. Will critics women film jenness, they were sort of upset by this this absorbed. God doesn't have to be every time. Women get together. It's a common lucrative sort of being attacked for. What was was not very sensitive portrayal of where we are now. And where the feminist movement is and then he upset because he was like, well, I'm the lost moved. I'm italian. Well, really doesn't really give you call blown show ever is in Italian because those original GR jolly original Tien horror films of that era of you know, the the the seventeen we're very sexploitation. This is kind of I think the hope maybe if there was any there's any positive doing maybe to turn on his head. Slowly, I kind of got the feeling I mean, I kind of saw as as trying to imagine itself as a feminist tax go all these women that power is being suppressed or is being hidden. It's a macho cool kind of lineage it's all about what women's bodies. Can do and this power of the female body. And of course, there which is in hiding, I think it's interesting read in that way. And I like it's doing that. I just felt like some of the dialogue was a little bit positional. There is a bit of that. I wanted to ask you whether I said this in the introduction something can both be cold blooded down camp. There's they'll start to the character of till Swinton. But then at the same time, it is such a ludicrous. And there was one scene we won't spoil where it will kind of really goes bananas. It gets. It gets. Wow away goes been. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is a big one. Can we be is it both cold-blooded and camp is is that so fair enough. It's definitely funny camp, which I think we've we think jell O's. Although I think in the seventies. We if we like with lurid, and they're kind of bright. But I don't know if they can't do me suggest there's some knowing Iranian. And I don't think there is. I think can be very serious about his work his things in about his cutlery design in the biggest Mashal probably the one that had the most irony in it direct to refine. So this one doesn't really have any moment of humor in it has over the top nurse and kind of growing in yoga camp. Yes, it is camp. But not in not as we know it. I think maybe I wouldn't use the word camp. I think maybe what is loaded. But what do you think this film? It's goofy. It's really goofy. Like, I think the press Vicks the dynamic between Toda's Winton and the student. It's the weird sexual tension between Tilda Swinton and coach Johnson. I think the mad that piece at the end, which I think doesn't quite work for me. That's when the films of lost may and it coat vacated this of slow simmering bit league of gentlemen. Exactly, exactly. But I do think it's kind of gay fee in a way that interested me that this percentage on they reminded me of the percentage of the end of the Ruger everything another country where where they play the spies, and they kind of go forward to off to the after the Cold War narrow in in Russia may repair every napperstat it make maybe it was to him. Maybe he lasted for that bit in love should be in this. Yeah. He would have been to what about the goal because the Gore's is gory is kind of classic seventies Italian horror movie, but it sitting in the context of very lush beautiful as we said something not Gucci Prada fashion advertising. Lots of ways and great beauty. How does the goal sit with you? Because there's one very gory scene. This big set piece near the end about and there are some dream sequences that turns out Tilda Swinton enforces onto coach Johnson's character. She's having who trained and they're quite they're very spooky and strain. Then we'll go comes in one sort of in one place. Yeah. I know what Horo yours would say about the role of gore where when the sharks jump scares play that role because I think he's trying to frustrate days to do it all at once, man. I quite liked the Italians invented the Benetton advert which goal beauty in order to sell fashion. So I didn't sit all could be with me. I was waiting for. And I found that. The bone cracking scenes when when the Dodds becomes. Those kind of amazing absolutely amazing. I was I was hoped from there because I Don the power of the female bodies says the power of the ghosts that were kind of operating here that was coming up through this building say that that hooked me and had me sort of glued to my seat. Like, I was in that building myself. I couldn't escape history and the power of these images in front of me that was sort of most ingenious see that's one that sticks in my memory that one. I mean, I find that scene quite gory. And she very graphic. If anyone hasn't seen the foam, you shouldn't be listening to this. There's a scene where Dakota Johnson is doing a daunt sequence in one room. And then in another room, the cameras cutting between these two sequences and every movement that she does articulates the body of another dancer, but in quite horrible ways, very unnatural, and sort of make her bones snaps like an accidental once I dance the other side. It's fights. Yeah. Exactly. But with an invisible assailant, and it's it's really horrifying and kind of visceral sickening. Dole works. Osteopaths that your life and the noises as well this so kind of oh, actually quite. So I think he's got this sinus. Nick, Luca for design, and it all comes together. And I think he's kind of off the hook ins is very with it. There's a spirit does does mean a size this speedier in Latin and Italian too. So there was a point where this film just sort of becomes long song. Excellent comes in I suppose, that's by is in some ways. Well, you read all the way through the move. So it's it's a fascinating film. I under- and fifty minutes is indulgent too much. But sometimes when you go to new if he conned into old who in this in this business cannon, those talk a little bit of then because Simone prefaced her comments by giving a little bit of rundown of what she told about each one of his of his films. And I think it's a str-. I like it. I think the strength that you can make kind of very stylish, but schlocky go geology movie, you can make gay romance. Senator. I think that's a strength. I mean, I'm always intrigued to see what he's going to do next. What do we think? People think he should just forever to spot paintings. I don't know if I see this spirit as kind of July foam, I think there is violence, and there is good. But those are sort of small bursts that's happened throughout the firm. But actually in the context of the film is quite meted paps more say than his other films, which are you know, more emotional pops. But I think he's an interesting filmmaker I think he is very good at design and sort of set and architecture and making yet we said before making the settings the star of the foam, I think maybe a terrorist. Something about him that doesn't quite click with me. And I'm not sure what it is. Maybe is this indulgence. And and he he loves that doesn't he he's all about kind of indulging in these high fleet and emotions, and yeah, these very kind of like sweet relationships, maybe that's why. This is interesting to me more. So than some of the others. I think violence relationships. Sweet. But some of them are very finds until the Swinton's the rockstar. Rented her this guy. I am love this that the family are they kind of expel Tilda until way. They love is listen every rock, I am love is entirely. Baraga running around the rule the rooftops literally baroque set in Milan and super stylish Milanese rather than women. It's very kind of northern. Yeah. It's an interesting. It's a really interesting thing. And I think he has more of a Milanese it's ability than any kind of southern sensibility, even though, but it would depend on. It wasn't a she. He's not a southern neorealist filmmaker. He it's Bo host from Milan. Going on holiday is very much kind of visiting. I'm a patrician from the industrial with my style product comes into the he is I I don't know if he is. But that it's that sensibility rather than any Roman Fellini esque one or we get with Palestinian Tina very much more from the south. This is almost like a Neapolitan film like splashy sort of it could be a splashy trashy lurid thing made by Milanese sort of buttoned up. They feel. Yes. Okay. Well, this is desire extra reading section where we we ask you guys. What this kind of how what this reminded you of where took you Symon. You wanted to talk about the coach Johnson in the kind of notorious fifty shades movie. Yes, I do. Because when I watched this for my thought, oh my God. She's doing the same thing that she's doing in the first fifty shades of grey film. And you know, I I'm only really half the first one I've seen three the second. One is awful the third one is possibly worse. Fifty shades darker is the second one fifty shades freed is freed freed is third one, except I don't know if that's not your tighter seeing as the whole place that they get married. Oh god. But I think the first film is interesting and sort of sly, and it's the critique of capitalism. I don't think it really works as the erotic thriller. The people expected these movies to be based on the books, which of course, as we know we're not very rustic tool. But no, thankfully, I I've been sped. But I did read that they were sort of came out of San fiction about twilight. Apparently, so. Yeah, Aparna she she E L James had read. Stephanie Mayes toilet Vicks and tried to make sort of Bedia mtm version of them, which I think square's if you think about the plot of these. But anyway, I think the movie itself is sort of it's fine. But to coach Johnson is incredible. And she's inscrutable you can't read her. And I think she sort of uses that unreadable ity as a tool, and I think there's a difference between the Jamie Dornan character of Christian grey who sort of very flat very robotic be playing it straight, but just not playing well and. It's a very would in performance. And I think Dakota I think she's very deadpan think she if you watch it again, there's just something that she's doing what she's having a bit more fun with it. Even though she's got this blank Knesset, her face think she's sort of playing with it. And I think that's going on here. There's an innocence and playfulness that's going on into spirit where she sort of understands the material, and is is very playful with it. So she is just a normal 'cause she's in Omaha from she's from the country's religious upbringing. With the red tape thing that the dance have that there's a bit in the second fifty from place, but she doesn't she to get the she's the DIY store, and they use kind of bound able ties to of tight other up. That I remember the precise. Details of what was used to tie her up in those films. But yeah, I think you much. No, I'm not much of a DIY. Two ways. It went. We went to being kid. Okay. Yeah. I think she is really interesting performer, and I've been watching her for a while. I thought she was brilliant in sort of very small scene in the social network that was hassard of first thing that people saw her in and she has three minute scene with Justin Timberlake. But if you watch the film yet, and she's actually very witty in that very small role. She is pretty good in the romance comedy. How to be single which is kind of. Okay, actually, but she's sort of interesting in that film. And she's in a biggest blush as well. So she's worked with before. She looks quite different in that film. It seems like a while ago. She seems to have grown up a lot, and yeah, I've been watching her with interest. And yeah, I thought she was just fascinating to what she had a physicality in this that really was just so compelling, and I think the fifty shades of grey from people really criticize those for being sexless at having these explicit explicit scenes. Where there was really no Roddick charge and people may be wondered whether that was a problem to do coach Johnson or just how the films made. And clearly, it's not a problem. So. To be sexy on this very agree with you. It's all in the breathing. You know, she she just looked heavy breathing. There's a seven-under seen in. I think it's one of the sequences which on all fours, and she looks like she's an animal about to pounce on her. Pray very catlike in this. I love watching her physical. Very well. She trains for like a year and a half or something talking of which we can we can strengthen about peanut bounce which was the been vendors. His documentary reminds me that obviously German and and invalid Pete about did as well. And they made it he made a documentary about her Pena simply Pena, and it was the Spanish Pena, which would have been pineapple, but it isn't painter and little little accents can get your way. So the Pena vows was and it was a may it's one of the best three d films documentary. But it puts Pena about his company in the light and take them out and about in various German occasions to do that don't and peanut invented this. Very physical kind of hurt don's that you the people smashed against the floor used the body took valley in the new director. I mean, she's the kind of founding mother of of contemporary dance, selfish Shek throws a lot tune and all of those kind of other contemporary ones around now in the one that the moves that you see in a bother Meinhof connection here in Entebbe that recently Jose Padilla did that was adult sort of troop hit not kind of express in the action, and that was sort of that's sort of seventy set and tabby things. So this is all of the it reminded me of all of those. And I invented Venezia's documentaries is probably one of the best dance movies ever made. And it certainly one of the best three uses this Redick because you circle the dog. Actually, they come alive in the three day. I was thinking of that goes three days feel so. Passe? It was such a waste of time. Very rarely does in homes the movie did in Hans Vince documentary. Treasures is. It's a thing. That's in haunt documentaries. The Herzog on about the caves, yes, which was wonderful again that was much better in documentary than feature films and fiction. Yeah. Because its narrative the narrative so you've needed in fiction. It adds a layer reality documentaries, which or -ality documentaries adds to the fact that they're supposed to be pulled into reflect reality. But anyway, Pena bow. I really kind of didn't see him much this your big to dance fan. And that was seeing her legacy there. And it's definitely the fluence on on. This sorta dance in for sure. Yeah. For sure and that sort of the matriarch the kind of austere matriarch who is always the last walk into the room is the last major character to appear in this film, and all the rest of seems very peanut about as little bit from the kids from fame as his way you stop hangs sweat. Yes. Glory fame into we get through the whole thing without even thinking of a leg. Woma? It's not that kind of fill. Nick was because those bones. They. Really cool kids could Torna k for some of the blood. Very stylish. Well, I think got to go and see spirit. I certainly really enjoy this. I think it's a real big screen. Take old. Movie. But I think it's a real big screen to let you wanna hear it you want to dive into road it's gonna it's gonna dive into it. I think it kind of to you. It comes out you kind of lead. It does it brings us to the end of today's show suspicion is out in cinemas. Now. Thanks, my guest, Jason Solomons and Saran hands and my producer. Of course. Holly Fisher, join us again at the same time next week. We'll be discussing festive advertising, but until then for me bound, thanks shooting.

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Suspiria (2018) - A Podcast Preview

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Suspiria (2018) - A Podcast Preview

"Tells us we draft was. See by three sisters for years. Bringing this this church event. The need to spirit. Another signs me. The mother team. And may two tendon Brandon. The mother of darkness. Hello listeners now plane podcast. This is Jacob. And I'm here to tell you about our fall donation series. Yes. It's fall the pumpkin spice in the air. It's also in our coffee and our pop tarts, and our orios and even our pumpkin pie, but fall ball means October, and that means Halloween, and that means we need to discuss some scary and spooky movies and were kicking that off right away with our silver level donation series. And I'm here to talk to you about we're calling this the remoter series. And they're all about the films of Italian master of for Dario are Gento kicking it off with the three mothers trilogy that includes suspicious and fern, oh, and the mother of tears, and then we're going to throw in another. Of his the nominal or creepers, and that's all gonna lead up to remake of spirit coming out later in November. I'll tell you more about the donations Aries, but first here's a preview of the original nineteen seventy six suspicious. She wanted to go and be a dancer and her mother was very cruel to her. We will see that she punished her by taking an iron and burning her hand. And while there are tears when she's dying here at the end. I think it is what gave Suzy the freedom to follow her dreams to Berlin. Oh, I took it very very differently. I think the mother was still alive when she left for Burland. No. She dies you. She dies. But I think she dies at the end. That's how that's how I took it. The mother dies specifically at the end Marcos tell Susie think of that false mother now expel her. And then we kind of cut too Suzy's, mom dying. So I thought Suzy's mom was killed by Susie. At that moment. I did have questions. I thought the mom had died and Suzy left to go to Germany to learn how to dance, but by the end, I don't know what I'm thinking. The real crazy. Well, mother of size Spiro. That's what it is. To mean. We are seeing clues that this is why Susie is the mother of size. Her mother the rasp of her death rattle. She is on her last legs here. I believe the priests coming to read last rites, and the last thing that she will say is that her daughter is her last sin, and that she smeared her on the work, or that's a a very Vakhidov way of putting it and that there is a lot of resentment about her child in the disappointment that she has brought by wanting to be a free spirit and wanting to be a dance. There's a quote at the beginning of the film. It's like in needlepoint hung on the wall. And I was looking at it and trying to see how could apply to the movie because obviously if we're watching something about three mothers and mother superior Orem. When you see something about mothers going to jump out. A mother is a woman who can take the place of all others. But whose place is one no one else can take. So I'm trying to think about how that all. Late and with Suzy's mother dying. No one else can take that place, which will see the. But who does take the place of all others seems like Suzy's mother? Yes, she was really abusive with that iron. So it seems like her place could have been taken better the places I'm going to go find a mother figure that is kind. I'm going to write a letter to Madame Blunk and Madame block is going to be so impressed by that. Even though I don't have any formal training. I just watched her videos in the library a hundred times and copied them. And then hitchhiked to New York a couple of times, and that is going to give credence to be able to come to Berlin. This is crazy blood. This is what Susie thinks she can do. And just wow them with how much I have studied. And Ken recreate what they have already done. It's the crazy at least from the beginning of this film. What you're thinking by the end. I don't know was this the witches plan to get control of the dance studio. Again, argue I think I know what you guys are saying she secretly know that she's the mu-. Of size. They answered for me is no the answer is. Yes. I don't know if she knows, but how she been possessed as she being moved to do. All this. See I think she knows who she is what she is. And her coming is not an accident the coming when Patricia had just disappeared. I think she knows exactly why she's here and what she's here for she's playing a long con-. She's going to pretend to be the Susie. She knows. Well, that's definitely an interpretation of it doesn't work with the one that I'm gonna lay out. Yeah. Having seen the full film. And looking at it in retrospect, my belief is she is inserting herself here with an intent to take control from the false mother. And so yes, you lay out yours. I'll counter with mine, I guess and Madame Blunk. Yeah. Tilda Swinton at her recognizable in this role. She is an actress I always enjoy seeing. I always feel like she does just have an energy. Gee, that no one else I can think of working certainly in Hollywood movies has and she just feels like she would be some dance studio instructor in these long flowing robes that she has I don't know if she's ever danced Lychner life. But I completely by her as Madame Blunk that she would want to see this girl. I get it. And what I like about this reimagining of what our Gento did. I felt like all those women at the dance studio, and our Gentles film. They were all scary. They didn't like the girls are mean that is my expectation of Tilda Swinton character here is that she's going to, but she's not she does have this motherly quality to where where she's trying to help Suzie be the best answer. So that was an unexpected twist, which I liked this reimagining here, we instantly know, shoes powerful because she will not attend the tryout. They have some of the other instructors there and Suzy has to try it with no music. She's not allowed to play her tape and she has to keep the time in her head. But yet later blank is going to say I saw her audition. So we know that she does have mystical powers receiver come up in kind of throw Suzy off at the end because she has felt something she's dancing. Maybe the concede is how good a dancer, are you? If you don't need the music plane. Can you really keep that time? Maybe that's a real thing that they do in dance studios to me. It feels like they did this to emphasize the breathing throughout this film. I'm just hearing breathing to the point at times, I'm looking around like someone fall asleep in their story. I don't know if that's the sound or someone sleeping next to me so much breathing. I don't know of either of you of ever watched the YouTube videos, where people have taken music videos, quote, unquote, remove the music what they've done is just fully over it. Like, if you watch Britney Spears ups, I did it again, all our dance moves are like her rubber outfits squeaking and things have others where it's just people like making. Noses as they dance. They're really they're amusing for like four minutes on YouTube. But that's all I could think of when I saw her doing all this dance with no music is when they do that joke thing see I was really taken by the dance move. Is this good dancing? It's modern dancing. It's not Malet dancing. Like, you think of it? I thought of ballet first of all I remember the Bally shoes conversation the original spirit, which she's Herkus jerk and all around. I'm like is that's supposed to be good. Because I mean, I was taken by it. Now, I think she's tremendous. I wanna give to Cody Johnson a lot of props. She obviously were Hearst her ass off to do this role. Well, two years, she took ballet classes, but for me, this kind of dance not really that into it. I could never tell the good from the bad. It looks to me like a lot of spasms yet. Well, I mean, it's art is what it is. It is meant to be interpretive. This is a dance studio that has created a response to germ. Many under the Third Reich. It is the three mothers versus the Third Reich and the way that they combat is through movement that is their war stance. We will have Blunk actually say when the right wanted us just to shut her mouth and open our uteruses. I created this piece in nineteen forty eight called Volk. And it was a response. It is about Nazi Germany Volk was a term that Hitler used a lot in describing the master race. So they are responding and speaking to it is dance that is political commentary and yet where they perform the dance. I don't get a political commentary out of it. Well, I've read stuff like on art movements and the Soviet Union to protest the Soviet government. There is crazy stuff where they just rowboats across a stage. It would take hours eroding a boat on stage. And it was just these weird absurdist movements to protest the control the government wanted. So I get that with this dance. It comes through that this is protesting. They're gonna call it out. I'm glad they do just to tie those threads tighter there that this was a response to Nazi Germany. But yeah, this is the kind of stuff you to protest to tally Cherian government. That's why you get weird puppets and stuff weird art stuff during these kinds of times. If you wanna hear the rest of that review you can head over to now plane podcasts dot com, click on the donation banner at the top of the page. You're going to get all the details. How to donate through pay pal or pod being or become a pod being patron? A lot of different ways. 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The Sessions at Midori House: Ohtis

Monocle 24: Culture with Robert Bound

17:00 min | 2 years ago

The Sessions at Midori House: Ohtis

"Sediba? Eight. Does do it man of earth is the debut album of the band eighties? A tree from town called normal, Illinois, though, the story is anything, but frontman Sam swinson has had tabulate life. He grew up in a fundamentalist evangelical Colt and has battled heroin addiction which caused eighty statis- bend in the late noughties and separates across America. But the music didn't stop curve earth is a collection of songs that the boundary during the ten year. Hiatus whilst winsome went to rehab became sabre and leftist chech- talked the album's eight tracks of lush, Americana. But with a twist, for example of Mike Swinton tells me that he's a big fan of Brazilian music. An immense of which are apparent on the record the lyrics are dot retrospective Swinton's life so far. It's a beautiful and Frank story of recovery and rehabilitation his son. I'm Sam of Otis. Song's called running. The expression you wearing motion pain like any other struggle and keep themselves. Our nippy brother in renting when we run out at trag on the glory Trang. So I will do run in you run George in. We do get her will be better than me again. Two. God. On. We were getting was found against slow. I wonder dear brothers will your so LIPA Lord is the shepherd Lula. She Bevere now. Will go run. Running the Texan. We will be better than me together. Looser? You will drunk on occasion. Lower day your daddy died to drink anymore. You gave up beer, she still beer, I'm terrified with the brother now here. Go run in you run in the night. We gather we'll be better than together. New too. Bye. Third. You're. To let you go. When we wreck driving, John Mexico. I walked at hospital and got in news, you're still in new blue. Will do run view running in California. We do gather. We'll be better than me together. New too. Win. You took the trolley to the. Your heart started thump and your vision dark when you let me and your knees place. I burn down your house now. Guide and I will one day run with you run on known. We do get. We'll be better together. I heard a wister. Voice Gandhi back up, given the choice done. He'll hang in acco lapsed on floor newer bowl, Cayenne out. I mean, hanging or. One day run view run on known. We do get. We'll be better together. To gather we sign there too. Those living in Cambria, California. Just kind of being a beach bum. And Adam was on the road with another band, and he was just kind of burn out, and we had been sending music back and forth for longtime. And he started hinting that he was like, maybe ready to to do something a little more subdued. And and I think I twisted his arm into taking me back and trying to make something out of all these songs that we've been working on for years and years you've kind of been like a long distance relationship with your band for a while. What was it like when you came together, we still haven't still haven't? No, we're still long distance. I'm in L A Nate's in Chicago Adams in Detroit. It's interesting, but with like technology, you know, can you make it whack? Yeah. So then when? We haven't been working together physically once base for awhile, and you guys were banned or when did I become about money were in high school? I think we were kids. Yeah. So then how did you know that you want you wanted this to be an Otis project needn't to make satellite project or start another band. How did you know that sort of you need needed those guys to be you'll bend still just I just couldn't do without him? Yeah. I I can't really imagine trying to do this by myself. That'd be really scary. Yeah. And I need I need those boys. The song's called rehab. I said I am. So now on. One thousand times, and my every last one I tend to fall and in all my Carmen crime and flora. Jio bowl, coal and my scheme. But still still begging begging again. Faith in the Lord. I'm not that bad. Can't you hear me repentant? Sorry for making us. Sing this song. Will you right? My wrong by Gotari. William make me belong. I mean, there's a lot of doc subject MetroNews took about your battle with heroine and about your religious background and these songs written for such a long period of time going from the religious point of view. Do you still have the same beliefs that you had when he started writing this record, no nine think does that make it more interesting to signal sums now when you're when you think differently about how you thought about things when you write these songs? Yeah. It's a weird feeling. But I guess it's I see it as. A reminder. I don't know. It's good to be reminded where you've come from. You know? And so what does religion mean to you? Now, I don't like religion. I think I have a serious resentment against organized religion. And it's probably an unhealthy one. It's probably a, you know, I should probably just relax a little bit not worry about it so much, but but also I I can see the good in it. And I can see how I was. I had these good principles instilled in me from it. Because I think every religion, you know, at its core is is good. They all practice. These what I see as universal truths and spiritual principles, and they can do a lot of good. But I think mostly they do bad historically. I guess you just have to you have to faith means to you. What you believe in rough being totally believe. Yeah. Exactly. And I mean, this record has been on such. Jannie? Do you think you tough to change your approach to how you write a second record as in? If you actually sat down and thought I am rights album rather than Harris some songs that I've been writing over long period of time that's going to be different for sure the stuff I'm writing. Now is you know, it has elements of a lot of the stuff from the past. But but I think it's it's not as dark because when I was writing these songs that are coming out on this record. It was just a very hard painful time in my life. So, and that's how I wrote is when I was really in a lot of pain. I'd pick up my guitar. I would you know, kind of get some relief that way by writing it. I don't know why. But I mean, I guess I do just being honest, you know, just expressing honestly what's happening instead of. Trying to ignore it and be a denial about it. That's that's very therapeutic to do that. Beg in Bergen out on stree- street. Was it heavy was pushing up on my fee. I. But I didn't know not at all. Stare. Beer, and I got drunk, and I just watched world disappear. If it was you tell me, what would you do everywhere, you go soon as you walk in the only thing, you really know. A own thing in though is guy is not there to be found. No, evil, only evil. All right. Singing, some people need certain things to get by. And I always better. Go. And songs called black blood. You've been listening to the sessions at Madari house. This week's guest was some swinson from the band artists. They're out them curve of a is twenty twenty-ninth March on time hobby. This show was produced by me, Holly Fischer and recorded a mix by Alex Felix journey. Same time next week for more live music. But until then, thanks. This. Two days later. You woke up strap thinning spittle. Next to another man. Dead starting right. You. Shane. Kind. He turned to me he had black. Renan is. Tickets. Mouth corner stains stomach claim and Jarque spit. What was? This is it long ago. Resigned the piece of shit and why God to keep on torture. Jesus. Big bucking moaning. I locked myself up and prison through the key. But I'm tired of being tortured lower at just wanna be free. Certain respect. Where the year like probably know buddy should. Probably because he. Site where? Sister would all his best friend. And she would be drained by in fourth. He survive. Brady sisters and a mom and dad. What was? The woman wants. Is last words when remind what is legacy would be Dalla my not were remembering get about. Why gotta keep on torture. Heaven pay enough for all drugs. None. My poor mother's praying. Take back. Our own. Why keep on torturing in your cell? You are directly responsible for your own. I lock myself up in prison and threw away the king, but tired of being torch, Laura, I just on of the free.

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444. Erica Rhodes, Brett Morris, Matt Apodaca

Who Charted

1:23:55 hr | 2 years ago

444. Erica Rhodes, Brett Morris, Matt Apodaca

"Signed for episode four forty four of who charted the show where comedians discuss the top five songs and movies of the week. It's the third third week of June. Really? Wow. Even in LA, we've had one day, a son, and I'm your h Michael Cray, Howard, Kramer says, hey, I'm here with Brett starred Morris aunt, Hugo Donka, great to see you guys, what a big weekend, it was no son, really. You didn't see it. If it was here. I didn't see it. So you had to sit inside and watch your shows. That's right. I felt like I saw the sun you did. Yeah. Maybe were Mexico like. Mexica mexico. Now, I was outside doing like yard work. I guess. Maybe right. Do yard work. Suspect sunday. Maybe there was some sun. I don't know. But I watched that Bob Dylan rolling phone. Yeah. I've been meaning to watch that I'm not sure how to feel about it feel good. Okay. It's just like a tour documentary, but Scorsese thing, right? I hadn't really seen a lot of Bob Dylan interviews, of course like hurt his songs. So to see him kind of complaining about people in like a. Just a regular kind of way like complaining about guy eating too much food like to hear him out of context like that. But we'll talk about I think we have we have a native Minnesotan in the house. No. Well, let's find out where she's from. She's a very funny, stand up comedian, whose how sad lemon is out June eighteenth her show. Bring the funny premiers on NBC July ninth. It's Erica, rose. Not for coal introduction. Everyone thinks from Minnesota. So it's you're not the only one. Why do people think that, well my mom's Herman there? And then I had a lot of relatives there when they have a weird strange axe because see me, it's semi Minnesotan. Yeah. You're from Minnesota from New Jersey. Why did you say fellow Minnesotan because Bob Dylan's from there? Oh, got it. Okay. Got it where where are you from Boston? Yeah. Started stand up there. I wish I started out here. Okay. Well, that's even harder. Yeah. I would say so. Yeah because you only gets short. Spot short spots. Yeah. You have to camp outside the laugh factory. I camp outside flappers. Really paying your? Near the mall. Food court choices. You did the laugh factory Saturday night. I saw that on your Instagram. Oh, wow. Look at you. Doing your research. A couple of minutes. That's true that that checks out how go. It went pretty well. It was. Yeah, I felt pressure because people came to see me and that always makes me uncomfortable. When people see me on purpose, I want them to come accidentally. Absolute now there's pressure enough you mess up now. It's like well, they might not see the right show might have been the wrong show to see usually it is, then on like you should seen me Thursday. Thursday was set to see. No, though, but that's because you were loose Thursday, because nobody was coming to see. And. Grow because they thought they were my family. They were not like family. They were like producer people and said they sat in the front row. And so looking at them being like you don't have to don't feel pressure. This, but I was okay. It wasn't horrible with it wasn't amazed. It was like in the middle you no doubt about it. Would you want your family to sit in the front room? I don't want anyone in the front this. I don't know why they would think that, oh, that's her family. She wants to see him six inches away. And yeah, they like make sure it's VIP VIP front. No VIP is I don't know you're here. So you're not buying the performance tackling. I don't know what happened. There was some weird. Miscommunication told me about the show you've NBC show. Yeah. Well it's, it's mine. It's just it's like a competition show. Yes. It's like it's the new last comic standing type show serious. It's yeah. Yeah. You know, new competivity or any of those addition wants for the last comic steady that Lachlan. The one he won really? In fact, it was the first day of auditions afternoon at the Jon lovitz comedy club at Universal City, walk, remember too many details. And they said. On this. This is never good. If you remember all that. It was singed into by. So they go you're going to go up, you know you'll being groups to you'll go up in that. And the other guy will go up and the other guy was Lachlan. So I was up against in the additions that guy would ultimately win the man that's not fair. But on the first guy he beat a have that on. You're both very strong comics. Thank you very much as you are. Oh well as people can find out on your new oil. Do you do you have other albums now? It's my first this is the first congrats. Yeah, you'll like a stepping stone. I bet it is. I'll start seeing you in the serious rotation. Yeah. They have an exclusive for a couple of us very. Yeah. And as the is it all cleaned stuff. You know I thought it was. But then, when it came out on Amazon, it says explicit next to a lot of the tracks. And I, so I guess I did swear bunch, but these accurate or they just confusing some of those, I definitely swore. But it but, but I, I mean overall, I think, in general, it's pretty clean, you know, but yeah, they're fu- f- few okay? Are we allowed to do it on the podcast? All right. Well, I'm gonna we're gonna get into the music themed now and I'm gonna I'm gonna be wrapping. That's cool. Now it's very short. At if you wanna be my hype man, throw some stuff, shag go for it. This is the history of recorded music trigger the music right now. Okay. Back in the day, we played out. And cds. We download and stream. If you're a Jarvis, let me hear you scream. You did a great job. Ruined it the second one, I should have committed to the ad just followed through with the same thing. Maybe so. Be honest. I'll be honest stuff to ruin that song. But. All right, Matt. What do we have this week this week? We got Billboard's top two hundred the top one hundred albums the top five of those two hundred round doing all two hundred. Okay. And these are what albums are selling based there. Flying off the shelves. Factor. It's Meals data. It's all sorts dalom sales track equivalent streaming. So it's all based on how good it is. Well, I mean, if it's buying it, your tone this, you're coming up with out of the top of your head. It's written down here where it's more of a conversation. Based on. Metric consumption. There's no way I'm gonna say that naturally. You know, to try to make sound natural. Erico is there anything else about Matt that you're noticing. Repetition. He has a nice laugh. I like people with an ice laugh, disarming, thank. Yeah. Yeah. Good positive guy. Good. He has a cold tattoo, which one the heart one. Okay. Moss one the other two not so much didn't notice him as much. Mad about you got any tasks? Now. Wow. That's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. Van mister heavenly. None of us had any tattoos last real weird. Isn't that weird broke up? Oh, that's. Guys. Honus honus. Are you Honus Honus? In a couple of aunts is in both. Okay. Yeah. All right. I got to podcasts, whatever. Or podcast, you're lucky. Yeah your your old school. I am not having a podcast is now cool, cool, the way not having a tattoos edginess all out. I'm waiting all of the trends. Now. Podcast tattoos about me, suck. You're dating yourself. When you get old those podcasts. What are you gonna regret more cats? Joke's on, you know, I've never seen so much tat to. They're like a podcast episode has anyone done that because you just see so many much you would think someone would go like throwing shade episode. Twenty like. Like to their favorite podcasts. Jolie style with like, oh, like a like a sentence, I'm sure it's been done. Probably a there's close Ivette someone has a who Charley, quote somewhere. Maybe so strange ones at the conventions charter tattoo hashtag who charted tattoo. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Us. Yeah. That's a cool idea or we go. We got an eclectic group out there. Great people smart oddballs off the meat and track square pegs are my peeps. All right. Let's coming in at number five coming in at number five number five. It's Miley Cyrus with mother's daughter off of she is coming. I'm nasty. Well, we'll choose must be something in the water with that part. I can't understand. She words there. Do you are you a mile not particularly? I think that wrecking ball song was only song, I know of hers. Okay. Well, you probably know the. Party in the USA. Is that her is she cover that she did that way back in the day time ago? She's backed out she's got an EP and she's grown. Do you like her just like that? I just think she's fun like she doesn't care, like usually makes for like she was gonna come back like rock and roll or something. She seemed primed for image every five years that you see her in black mirror. Yeah. Ashley, oh, she. Yeah. Yeah. I saw what the sound off. I just decided, I was going to have Malacca mirror on to see if it wouldn't scare me. So I just picked. I get scared easily to like times, like they'll be something disturbing there that I won't be able to forget all day. So it's like I don't watch it. It's too real. Yeah. But I mean my leaseback she's country. She's right, LA Kerr as I like her country thing better than her new thing. I think that's what I like okay. Like less drugs and being decadent. Don't like the whole like just the pot the pop stuff. I don't doesn't feel authentic to me right for her. I feel like she is a country girl at heart stuck with that. Like, you know, like just three comedy. Big comedy clubs in LA. Right. And you see, like stand ups are up at them every night. Yeah. They don't have that for singing. You know what I mean? Oh where they can get up every night. Seems like yeah, I guess they practice alone, a lot or something. But like even in Nashville, it seem like there's a place for like you would go and or. Yeah. Like senior after singer would get up. Yeah. I wonder why they don't have that here. I mean they I think they have a little bit of it here, but yeah. It's probably not great. Yeah. But as little like, singing factory. Yeah. Oh, you mean like club club is not like open mics club club. Yeah. Like karaoke main? But for like real singers, almost carry okay? But just like if you go to say the comedy store, right? You're going to see like ten guys do fifteen minutes or if you sat there, the whole time. Yeah, I don't know why don't they? Hotel, say has like singer after singer, and they only do like a couple set a good. Where's that place? Could put that's right in Hollywood Oko. Yeah. There's some good comedy shows there too. Sometimes. So do both played at the whisky before where they've just tried to pack like ten bands into a couple of with all the. Yes, the worst. Yeah. Was going to say the gear might be the Sholom them setting it up. And every gear to gear. You guys have it lucky. We do have that good yet. Although the well, you might not care as a lady, the, the musicians, get more ladies pick up. More ladies? Oh, come on comics. Get picked up on all the time. I see it all the time, all the time, the time after his show, the girls just rush over but not in the drove of, of musician. Really? Now, I see drove sometimes. Crystal leah. He's the exception. There's always one comic was getting about eighty. Kristalina got outta here. You got it would all change. Before him. It was Dane cook before, Dan cook, I would say was. Freddie prints. I have a big jump yet. Remember back that far. All right. Let's see what's coming in at number four coming in at number four four, it's Khalid with paradise off of free spirit. Too slow. Let's get it up. Speed up the BPM. Good. We had that, like he could fix these on the fly. Yeah. Maybe I should be playing these tracks in able to or something like that. Yeah. They two to four. One. Good song. Right, this ban. They had one. Good khalid. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He had that one young dumb high school kids. The good one is. I'll look that one up fancies days have like one good song. A lot of them. A lot of a lot of competition out there. We'll see how many hits come off of sad Levin. Well, there's at least three explicit tracks betting on those trucks or their twenty I think. Yeah. Okay. You'll get some nice play out of those where did you record it Portland? Helium go Portland helium. Yeah. A great club. Great cloak rate of two green rooms of my right or call one. Okay. So I want. The ballpark. What did you do in Portland with your time off? Or you weren't just there obviously. Yeah. I was just there for the album. But, but I had family come in, like I had cousins who came in hung out, so I walked around stuff. Do you go to a brew pub or two? I, I kind of miss that. Yeah. Is that what you do? The day drink drink at the club, very different sentence. And I don't drink. Different. Daydream daydream, but Susan's nights. Right. Drunk. This, this next one might be the, the calorie. You're thinking of we got to Calogero. All right. Coming in at number three number through its DJ Calland with just us featuring Ciza off of father of a side. That. Miss jackson. Speaking of that Andre three thousand been coming up a lot on social media doing, viral Enviro feeling. He's coming back. Okay. It's just a provider type of thing. Yeah. I don't know. I just I get that viral, I hate the word violence at five times ready. But he was like, in an airport playing the flute and someone thought it was him. And then went up to him and it was him. Yeah. It's like, wow, just walked to plane, flew on. He was walking while he was doing it. Yeah. It's kind of pacing around playing the flute waiting for his life. He wouldn't want to track to tension the airport. Yeah. Yeah. Ever do that. You bring your your hobby with you. To it in the in the terminal, I play cello. But I don't wanna bring it anywhere. Yeah. It's a big one to do that throughout the high school years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cello major in college where be you. Pressure from the parents to go into the classical field a little because my mom's violinist. Yeah. And you guys would jam not really. Trying to give me a note. She can I just say one thing, and then I'd say, that's it. I'm done playing again. It's good, though, to learn music from your parents, don't you think? Yeah. Do you play play play music? I do like laptop music. Nice. Well, this one from the album father of Assad, even though kids right now, his son coward son is a sod. He's a little baby. DJ Cal decides to call instead of like I'm Assads dad has Elba. Ms. Father of Assad. I lost track of. It's almost like father of a son, but father of Saud Saad instead of Assad of a father. Okay. Son of a father, you'll never see me do that eleven. I'll never have probably ever have a kid, probably of a name and album after him. Never say never maybe you should name name, it album, after your kids that you're never gonna have. Okay. Father of the kid. I'm never gonna have able. My name them. Yeah. Father of hesitate. Definitely not have a son. Not like a summa word or something. Well, father of Segal. Daughter possibly true. I, I would be good with a girl daughter. Yeah. Still DJ Cal seems like he has way, more hits than he shed should. Yeah. Deserves the hat. Song is a scissor song, but he put Ryan basic is that it's not of the pattern, right? Yeah. Even on that one. It's the beat from miss Jackson. What did he do? What did he do? What did he do? He's just stealing people songs. And then being like it's a hit. Yes. What did he do? Did he did the same thing back in the day? It would just be on all these records. And then they were his records, just because he was gone, you know. Green? Doing on your track. Right. Yeah. Trajectory the producer. Yeah. DJ callan. He came in with another one. We the band of best mule. The best music. And he says he is he says, I'm DJ. Khallid DJ Callo. Yeah. That's a smart business. I mean yeah. You gotta know who it is. So but for some reason they all do records with them. I don't know that, that would be the mystery to find out why would be a fun, hang. Okay. Got it. He's the Hugo of. Hey. What's ex Hugo coming in at number two number two? Billy eyelash with my strange addiction off of when we all fall asleep. Where do we go? I think this new group of teens is very moody. And I think this music connects with only one so far. That's caught my attention. He's going there. Something there. Catchy. Really sorry. She's a song of this album called I wish you were gay. Yeah. And I was high and my kitchen listening to it. And I was a leering for second. I wish you were a girl. But then, you know, I live alone, I'm susceptible to weird moods and ideas, and I started thinking like maybe I should hit skip on this. Yeah. Because to alone, right? Maybe Billy, we'll talk me into. So, and that's why you watch black mirror on. Completely suggestive. I don't think I should maybe nobody should. Yeah. I love it. I love living alone so far. So good. Yeah. Just started living. Yeah. How long have you lived on a couple of years, maybe three years, like, obviously, it's better than having a roommate? Yes. Yeah. Yes. It's better than having someone. You're not get along with right? Or just someone there. Yeah. All right. Well, because your schedule so weird as comic right? Get home late and you, you don't feel like talking right? Wind down. Someone up, you don't wanna talk to them. You know, I would hate when I come home, and they're like, in the middle of that persona something they what I just got out of a deficit. Well, that's good. So no dogs. Now. Do you have a dog kids? No pets plants. Same same nothing alive. Do you got those birds outside though? Every once in a while birds squirrels. Of dogs. How's your tree? Log coming. I got a tree logs. That's. Alone. Siva tree in my front yard, it's like a it's a local. That's good. Yeah. There you go. But anyway, it started to be whereas like I lived there long enough that I was like, when do these things bloom, like I don't wanna have to guess any more. So I just started like a yearly log. Oh when it blooms. Yes about I know like when the squirrels like what months of the squirrels, what month of the birds there, what you're just of blue and is it helpful to this. I guess it takes some uncertainty out of my life. Are there any like? Ernie like yearly things coming up with the tree like that. Now since you've been taking the law, you know. Oh, shit June something. Well, yeah. Okay. Well, right now all the fruits pretty much dried out. But there's like some crows that'll come to eat it. Okay. That's the face. That was the phase you're entering or time. Or was that a surprise surprise a few years ago? Now. Now, do you have anything like that? Somebody gave me a basil plant. Okay. Held it within a week. So mad at myself, I don't know how much to water. I don't think I over watered, it may be an under sunlit it to too much water not enough son. Did you just don't bottle in there and go on the road? Yeah. And then I came back. Why is it dead? What I do I thought that would work for a week, you know. You know. My neighbors have somebody that's outside. Maybe it needs a lot of sun, maybe pride and get enough sign. You're probably right. Can't take care. Yeah. It's hard. It is hard. L the near the right busily. I guess talk about it on said, Levin. Talk about not having certain things like what we are just talking about. Yeah. You know, there's all different kinds of life's lives, you could lead, this is one of I think you should be grateful for the things you don't have in life because why because what we spend so much energy like thinking. We need things when relate, once you get the things you think you need. All you do is complain about having them. Right. And you underestimate how good it is to not have things. Points through come over to your place and take some stuff. You can find anything. Plants. Killed cello show dead. Dark Z playing cello. All right. Let's see what's coming in at number one coming in at number one, number one, Thomas Rhett with look what God gave her off of center, point road. This is country. Yeah. Kill that centerpoint road. Cut sounds like old town road, which is like that new horsey. So Erica roads roads. Yeah. But it wasn't great. Right. No. We all had to that. And I like country sometime to have a weak spot for it to be one of the fastest we've ever seen great though. There's a lot of like dude country guys that they're just there to kinda like sing love songs. And those guys I don't know. There's kind of interchangeable. They don't do much for me. Didn't sound it sounded almost like an impression of a country song, right? Like there is going to be a melody, or so, like, backstreet boys. Not good. Number one. The one I guess it's the biggest you know, it selling good. And the sales are up the show. Okay. Sale selling got it people by. Chart? We're figure chart working where can they get sad? Limit out there and I tuned it's going to be everywhere. It's gonna be an I tunes Amazon pin Dora. That's great, but labels. Well helium produced it, though in the club produced it. I don't know. Will it be for sale and helium lobbies across the country? Last time. They're lying, it do you, do you go to Philadelphia. You do I like to do it. You haven't done Philadelphia yet. I did their bananas club and jersey. Have you done bananas? Did go bananas in Cincinnati. Oh, is that fun? What's your favorite club, squat comedy crawl? On the street. My favorite club. Boy. I never really had a favourite club. I guess I don't know. It's like if I had a good set I like the. That's why I decided to my album. I had one good set. And then later, I was like, maybe I shouldn't have based everything on one now, but I was lucky I went back, and it was still good people, but Portland loves comedy, really into comedy, so they got it. Yeah. I was gonna ask it. I don't remember what it was. I'll ask you during the movies chart or we'll be right back with the movies chart. Gang head on over to patriot. That's right. Patriot where you can get the extra content the above the normal content. Oh my God. We're doing. Hey, gangs over there. We're doing critter Chatters over there. We're doing advanced dragon. 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Thank you, so much, Henry Baker, and we'll see you right there on the next hour Kramer, patriot FM. Thank you. We're back. I'm H Michael Cray. And I'm here with Erika roads and start. And you don't and this is the movies chart. Just like tweet release them constantly most of them, we don't need to see when you get a good one. Ooh. All right. We are here with Erika roads. Her album, sad lemon is out this week. Check it out by it stream it love it. All right. Eric. You're gonna dig into our movies chart. Okay. Are you an avid, moviegoer? I wouldn't say avid. Yeah. Sometimes sometimes to go on the road. Yes, I would more likely go on the road to. Tough killing those days out there. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Stuff or let's see what's in our theaters this week. All right. So back again at number five number five. It's rocket man. Thinking changing my name to Elton, but that's. Yeah. Okay. So they already did Freddie Mercury, Freddie. They already did L two so who would be the if they're going to go and everything comes in threes. There did Liberace but he wasn't really rock, who would be the third, Freddie Elton, rob Helford. Billy, call good call. Billy joel. He is he's he likes to ladies think Howard's, implies, oh, it's got to be another. Okay. I'm applying Billy Ilitch. Like Billy, I got a hold of them. I think he said, rob Hal from Judas priest's, good Judas priest movie. Hell. Yeah. The rule, I think it would be too. It would be to adult for you. Hugo, probably true. David Bowie already this should do. Yeah. Oh, yeah. L E. Right bowie. They could do three Bowie. Moves me like the. Wanna play Boeing. Let's cast Bowie right? That'd be the most interesting play Bowie. One. We what's his name, the guy that played a river Malik? No. Willem dafoe. No, no, no. What's his name? Kosher dyin. And. Actually pictured Lynn. What is the guy's name who is in shoot? What is the movie about the detective guy combs rubber Dona junior? No Benedict Cumberbatch. What about? Doctor strange. Tilda Swinton Tilda would be good. We might have even like Chris, and her as sure. Wow. What about the priest? Oh, that guy he was sitting. Whoa. Let me this question. Trance if we were talking about a transportation, right? You would have to get a trance to play them at this point. Right. So is that okay? Is that okay? That till the Swinton gets to play. Bowie. Yes because because she's. The only one who looks just like. Perfect. Yeah. I mean there's just nobody would. Just like him. It would make sense in just own. But Bowie such his own force of nature. Right. That would just make sex sort of. Enderle lists is not even like human. Yeah. Like that. Bob Dylan movie with ahead like Kate Blanchett, right? Yeah. I guess they already sort of did that our like a fish to play Bowie or something fish really break the mould all. Oh dolphin. Species. Dolphin with the red lightning bullet. Well, they are they do have weird sexual tendencies dolphins. That's true. They will often home sponges and things. Really, it looks like you're reading off your no. Like. We're not the. He was reading where my dolphin. We're supposed to get to that. Hump sponges do our dorms born live. How do they have? Yeah. They're, they're mammals. So they are born their burn life K through that at Erica. Confused. Not sure. Yeah. Probably. Or let's see what's coming next right down to number four number four, dark, Phoenix. Dark Phoenix doesn't gentlemen, of NASA. This Chelsea Savio help is on the way, gene, grace control, tearing the family apart and threatening to destroy the fabric of the X men. How is this not Star Trek? Good point. Looks like. Trey. It's something that they're doing recently in these, like you almost don't buy it, because you're like, why would they be in space? But then you remember that their superheroes I guess they could just stand there marvel. I question why all the wire all the flying things the same in every movie. Say ships are always same shape. Right. How do they know they're always going to be like that flat kind of thing, although I will say avengers, Infinity wars, they had a circular spaceship, did most of the look exactly the same in everything, and they all act the same I know all the characters. Yeah. And the same things happen, like, oh, we're getting attacked again. And we're about to get blown up. Yes. Funny to happen, and then dramatic and then funny talking animal like guardians of the galaxy, I actually enjoyed your you might laugh at me, aquaman, why some people know just found a different. I thought it was more creative than a typical act Georgian on a play. With anything because you're giving it a chance nothing to do. It. I thought it was cool. I'm telling you ocean better deal was so cool. It was so different in the ocean ocean purist. I find it fascinating. I don't need to see spacemen on the. It was fun sort of water laser. I watched it with the sound off on, on a point. That's the problem you gotta start putting the sound up Kidman's committing to these coal Kidman's and there in the beginning. Yeah, that seems to me like it was a half hour long of her sitting inside a house. It was it was kind of a slow on admit that, but once it took off it really took off and man man was a good looking guy. He's wearing James. Wallet chain in the ocean? I'm was gangster cool. Cool. Tracked it to him. So that made it go by faster to kind of fun movie. Okay. Got charisma. I, I would say, I would like it better than like four or something Iraq. Wake filler, but about better than captain America or something. But it was fun. I thought the action stuff was fun underwater. Okay. Yeah. Our like our planet on Netflix know wiles at all about nature on the water. Oh, it's underwater underwater. Great guy. Great guy like watching animals. Eating each other, though. They do have into that violent. I'm with you. I don't eat like that. How how the avengers Infinity wars five minute challenge, working out? Okay. So I'm with you, Eric. I never watch them superhero movies. And so I but I did decide I would watch. Avengers Infinity awards five minutes, a day in June, five minutes a day. Sound on or off? Okay. That's a commitment. Real commitment, step towards normalcy minutes day seventeen and you've been keeping up done yet. How long ago it's every saw thirty days five minutes. So here's forever. It's never tempted to watch more than the five minutes. You turn it off. Miss a day. A couple times I had to watch ten minutes. Oh, but I still watched it in five minutes. Like I waited a. Okay. I gotta say it's a lot like exercise or dieting meditation. It's like when it's done. I feel good that I did it. And I'm glad I did it but I know. You know what I mean? I do it five five at five, and I'm like, don't like those movies like him. So it's hard, five minutes is not bad because it's like three things happen. So it's like I I at least could follow it, you know, because like you were saying you try to watch those things without the increments. Yeah. It's just like a blur of, you know. Yeah. Action actions. Yeah. I don't know. Five minutes sounds like torture, because it's like you never get into it. You'll never actually like be committed to it. True. But I don't know. It's kind of like I don't know. It's like bite size pieces. I guess I can't wait to hear the final review. Okay. Maybe i've. Remember any of? Tell you right now day one named one character do that. Doctor strange fact. I think he was just he was just being tortured. There were trying to stick like knives and to give them to give away wear. Or to give up his Infinity stone. Maybe yes, there you go. There's always some stone rock stone, something dodger straits movie is supposed to be pretty good that one is good. It's good. That was like aquaman for you Erica. It's like a it's more creative. It's different. Okay. I like if it's different. Good. Yeah. All right. All right. Good. Okay. Okay. What's up? All right. Again, at number three number three Aladdin. I can make you rich. Rich enough to impress Princess. What would it have to do? There's a cave of one. This is the first live action eleven thank so Erica. What do you think about this one? I just don't think we need it. Thank you. I don't think we need to now make cartoons into live action. Right. It's like it was fine as it was. It was like we did cartoons, because they couldn't give because you couldn't do all this special effects, but even like these affects bad. We don't need this also telling who story come on tell news story, or at least make it. What was that one with the kid on the boat with? There you go. What was that? Life of pi. It was like I missed that somehow but it looked cool. I think I missed. I did see that movie gouzer. Tiger in it. I saw it. That was a good movie, make a new story. Come on. People also wasn't Robin Williams genie. Yeah. You can't beat that can't recast Robin Williams. You just can't what about. Up more for more that could have been anybody ever saw that actually. Yeah, it was it was took place in boulder, somehow missed, I missed certain things. What's up next? All right down one and number two. Number two, the secret life of pets, too. And takes over the role of Louis C K in these dog movie, they couldn't let Louis C K play a dog. The scene writes itself. Will you watch me hope this guy's lik? You can't let them you can't. Let a dog be a dog. Everyone's accepted except. People like that. Can't teach an old nutrients. Visnews songs in them. Yeah. They're like songs and animals. Device. Yeah, you're cured tears afford man. No way, st- talent. I'm not going to see this. I don't think I'll see it go. But it does it does look like a great cast, Pat NAS while Jenny slate. Tiffany, haddish lake bell, Nick Kroll. Dana, Carvey everyone. Very confused how they like the sexual. Yes, the economics of hiring these, like triple A listers for voices voice over stuff like. Shave a billion dollars by getting voice. Yes, there's plenty around. You like there's some very Sal. They want to sell out. They want to get my show show media following the performance is that make up for it. Maybe so I, I don't know. I do that, that dog is getting into a lot of hot water. It's funny. Dog the dog. The looney Doug. Yeah. I'm not gonna say it. We're none of us. What's funny? Is that kids don't know who Louis is right? And this supposed to be for kids. Right. They don't know. They don't know. Yes. Dogs voice different. Last dog got in trouble. Doc was cancelled the Lauren style was super funny, but he, he. In front of other dogs. Well, perhaps there's a cartoon that they would let Louis do who knows. Hey, God willing. South park would put them in. That's true. Right. True. South park doesn't care. They'll get them the care what south park did a really funny. I don't know if you guys saw episode about sexual rats. He principal where they were telling all the little kids, the had problems because because they were thinking about boobs or like I don't remember what it was. It was so fun. Oh, gosh. Remember the line of like money, make money and fame, makes people very bad. Stack. That show still on. Right. That's right. Well, how many seasons have they probably twenty two? Oh, wow. That's lucky. Number two, is how come you picked out what don't remember what works for you? Thanks. Date twenty two year old guys 'cause get lucky I do get hit on once in a while by twenty two year old and then I. Yeah. Exactly. Twenty two seasons. That's right. Do they do they say anything, like do they mention their age twenty two? Past your bed. It's noon exactly what they have in youth. They lack is they lack in every aspect every aspect with. Okay. Let's see what's coming in at number would. All right. Its main black international. We. Okay. So it's men in black. Yeah, but one of them's allayed yet. Now, do you ever watch wrestling Erica? Now I don't either. But with the sound off. I was able to ask. That there's this woman on there that they call, the man, that's her nickname, like she's just like red headed Irish chick, ma'am, demand. So you could always say, I would say between. Her the wrestling men in black. Tilda Swinton now, play them. Bowie here. This is. You ladies you're the man now. Yeah, wow. Have you? Eric. Howard leaned back after the. You may now Erica. This era. Which you've helped to usher in with your comedy. Sad limited as soon. I talk about how it's going to be the who's left movement, soon as anybody left. We still. Okay. That's great. Do you address that stuff when you're out there, I have been more to be honest? I have been because now I'm talking about how I think, men are being creepy by not being creepy. Like new creepy thing going on where there's not creepiest. What does anyone want? What? Trojer passive now. It's like it's actually weirder think so. Yeah, because before guys would just be up front and you go. Yeah. This guy's a jerk this create. Now. They're all like undercover. Creeps. So you don't know who's a real creeper, not because everyone's a creep, but hurts guys like me, who seemed creepy, but aren't. You know, like I'm older. Right. So, like I have no kids, no girlfriend, right society, kind of makes you feel like a creep, if you get to this age with no kids, a little bit a little bit societal pressure. Yeah. I guess it goes both ways because there's this societal press. Pressure for women. Also to settle down how family right now. But yeah it's not the creep thing then then it's just sad. Very sad, or a woman, right for woman. Yeah, I could see both sides creep. Then my dad he had kids. So he's not a creep. Is he may be still a creep though? You can be a creep with kids now. Okay, but he did have one right me. Right. So put two and two together. So who's a real creep because I didn't have an mother creep. He did. Right. So he's okay. He's, he's really the one who should be penalize. Yeah. Why have you why have you not found? Love. I decided early on that I would share my talents with the world. One or the other. It's, it's love or talent. Relationships are relationship goals or career goals hard to do. Besley in this biz rug. It is. Yeah. For the people that do it and do it. Well, I'm sure that sounds like a cop out like there's time you could do it. But I think for them it was a priority. Like they always wanted that. Exactly. Yeah. I just want to eat. I want to hear a good. Tune watch five minutes of avengers every day. Five minutes interfering with that. Oh, I know the rest of its meantime, baby. Yeah. Nice L freedom. It's freedom, freedom. I got a doggy. Daycare by my house. I don't even need a dog. It's go. Visit dog. That's. Yeah. I don't go inside said there's people in there. I wanna talk to. But I, I like play with them through the window. Oh, yeah. You can't do that at the plate. You can't do that with normal. I don't even kid. You're a playground. Feel weird like even at Starbucks. Sometimes, you know what I mean dislike if everybody around me, I'm just sitting at a table like this all, I know. But I'm not like I mean these like high school usually Matt's age kids. An adult area. I'm Twenty-eight, okay. But if you had to go undercover as a senior, you could probably pull it off. Yeah, I'd have to brush up on what the kids are talking about. Yeah. That is. Hey. Talk. Yeah. That's the app. Dating app. No. I'm sure there must be dating element to it. Okay. What is it up? It's like a like vine. But worse. It seems like I don't know where you make like music videos. Yeah. Lip sync over things kids. That sounds sad. Yeah. All right. Why don't we come back with the hot picks? Hot picks. Picks. The hot picks. Now the third is hot picks. And it's about to start. Take this one again. Thanks. The hot picks the hot cakes, I start divers go the charges. The countdown about to start. Let's see. Let's see who did. Hey. Erica scale of one to ten the professionalism of that I'd say like an eight and a half. Yeah. We supported each other, though. Forgot it I'd of it. Supported me, heart for God. It started doing in my opinion was doing it wrong. So I started in, but then you flubbed a word by over. Nine just okay. It out at the end talking hoping to up to score. Thank you, do that. All right. These are the hot picks. These are songs that we've curated ourselves we think these are going to be better than the billboard top two hundred chart, let's see what's on this week's hot picks right, number five is Howard's pick in its Madonna with dark ballet. You gotta start this one lane. Saw. Yes. She goes off the rails on this one check it out. Interesting. No. Nutcracker. When asked aware. But we are just not ready to. The story in the. Hi. You. Only. Getting. Devin Townsend still. Cracker and put. I think she's talking to the young girls to take her. There you go. I I'm going to stand by that one. Now, I'll tell you what this album is nuts is. She has a brand new album out called Madame x which let's face it. That's a little problematic, like, Malcolm X, but. White lady weirdo songs, but I will tell you this album. I mean she she's letting loose on this. There's all kinds of weird departures. She sings in Portuguese. And Steph, I'm telling you in the same way that Miley is kind of a fun train wreck in a lot of ways. That's what I'm gonna say for Madame x. In fact, I listened to the Springsteen album to which I was excited about an actually liked the Madonna album, better. Wow. How about Madonna? I like Madonna. I don't like the nutcracker right with it was crazy. Why don't you like nutcracker cello? And so had to hear it hundreds of word, outsell, much like a Margarita Ville, you know, those restaurants, they played Jimmy Buffett songs like the same five ones like all day. Yes. I don't know the type of person that could actually work there is odd. I think 'cause most people just go to handle that. Yeah. You'll feel I would not be able to Madonna. I know Matt, you still find you've said, you still find her sexually viable. I did I say that. True. I don't like you think she's hideous hideous? And though I what about handle a theater? No, I I'll say. Madonna seems like she's doing great. Okay. Good. Nice. Save. Save. If you did have to go head theater her or Kidman. Oh my. Okay, because this is a you know, either way. Either way, interesting. Yeah. All right. Let's see. What's coming in number four? Number four, is erica's pick and it's even vagabond tales, the sea will return. Oh my God. The sea will return you. Beautiful voice. She's green. Fine. Yeah. I love her. She's. Evo. Evo. Then the vagabond tales that the band. Acre. She goes to the beach fire self. I do that. What beach sometimes try out to Malibu? Yeah. And find like an abandoned area. Yeah. The music videos really cute too. She's, she's very creative person. She does a lot of her own artwork and everything. Talent discovered right here charted. I've been I've loved, she's such as person. I did a radio show her once and backstage, she was a nervous wreck. And I was nervous wreck. We're both performing and we're both like oh my God were so nervous. And then she gets up and just sounds like that. And I was. They just get to launch into a song, and she was so good and calm, and let's amenable musicians getting more than the comics the comic ago up their offense everybody. The musician just be an angel. She gets to be all Christine. I mean, I would say you're gonna do better than most comics on give night better in that way. Yeah. No. I mean, I'm taking myself out of it, it is a very real thing like that. I think I wasn't when I was thirteen and all of a sudden, the girl had a crush on, was my girlfriend after that into comedy. What happened good scoliosis from carry that AM? Carry it on the one side. I seriously think we all freaked they came into high school gym. The check us for scoliosis, and all the guys in my bed were like, oh, man, like sure like a guy was been drinking for thirty years. Yeah. Pay the by this is my time. Yeah, I can't imagine though, that a comic couldn't do very well. They care about here's this, basically because like let's be honest, it's not known for like the most attractive, people necessarily. Well, here's the thing. Halfway attractive and performing. Just you. They women think that the com- comedy guys are attainable. Like they think oh, I'm a catch for that guy. And they don't realize he's a player because he's, you know, like they're like, oh, he's lucky to have me, but then it's like yeah. Now. You're right, though, right? Why a set and these model girls came up to me, like gorgeous models, like one of the, and they looked all nervous to talk to me. And then finally, one of them kind of, like, you know, told the other one to come. And they can we just have a question and they had this really exotic accident. I just think my friend is very funny and she and I was like a ha and I'm just like staring at them like, oh my God. They're so gorgeous. And I'm not a lesbian. But I was just so like I didn't even know what to do. I'm like talking to me. They're so beautiful. And I was like I was like, yeah. Just tell her to do an open. My. Valet funny. This is the closest I've ever felt to being a male comic right, these Gert like I'm just yeah. I bet she's really funny. Even odds if she's not funny at all. But I was just like totally just a couple of my friends really funny. Yeah. I bet you all are you, you're all so funny. Well, did you get? Did you get nervous? Or did you did you close the deal? I just said, I said, whatever they wanted to hear. And then I felt and then yeah. And then they kind of walked just want to see if there happens to be fifty year old boys out there who try to become comics the amount of times that will happen to you is not super like that beautiful models. Like a lot of times, mostly at the show. It's a dude who likes comedy and his thinking about trying it relay, okay? And that also like comedic comedy. Like a lot of times, like people are dates to go see come trill. Yeah, you're there to kind of make them laugh. And then they're going to hook up. Yeah. Good point. Yeah. But there are exceptions. Of course like we said. You know, the Leah. For music for musicians. There's definitely that kind of do to. It's mostly that kind of coming up and going oh pedal talk shot. That's annoying. Those strings. Make conversation. Don't really get hit on much at all after a female comic not early. I would say probably true. Yeah. It's weird at all weird about the culture and that way. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely skewed think like a lot of times. Like, for instance, with a musician, you can project almost anything onto a quiet guy was up there. Hold on guitar like, oh, he's going to be my boyfriend and we're gonna pick, strawberries. Comics comedy delusion immediately because they start sharing problems and things like that. So you could say, like oh, like if I get with that person, they're going to here's the other thing. Here's another theory. I have is that male comics are okay like dating or sleeping with a not funny woman, but I don't think female comics are okay with hooking up with not finding that dumb. Yeah, you're just like I can't connect it all men, men want to be the funny, one in the relationship. So, you know, I think though the sexist. Pretty much. Read that way with, with myself. Yeah, see. Yeah, you wanna be the funny one. They have things that are funny, but, like, yeah, they're not like didn't Seinfeld. Somebody wants ask Seinfeld. Because your wife and she goes, she's funny enough. Enough. That's what a male comic wants. But I made it sound like normal guys are walking around looking for super funny girls, all the time they think they are. Sometimes they think they're funny though. Normal guys think they're funny than it's even worse because they'll try to be funny with you. And you're like you're just not don't even try programs. Yeah. Not looking good right now. Okay. Back to the countdown start. It's your turn. Let's see what's at number three. Okay. This is Baroness with front toward enemy. The heavier pick. Careers. Folles. That'll medal Monday swords more like just hard rock. I did read the disalvo getting incredible reviews. How you did. Yeah. Interesting on your Baroness news. They are savannah. Georgia's Baroness dude. Look at you. I'm starting to pick up on metal just for the sole purpose of impressive start Baroness. They're very good band. They're read in their blue album are brilliant beyond measure, best, some of the best all of their albums after color this, right. The album says have been on a lower here, but this one has been good. This one is like people are loving it yet. They're saying it's their masterpiece really the red and blue. Is there masterpiece interesting? And what does that means toward enemy? Like I am guessing you, you, you. Yeah. You face the front of your body towards your enemy, so many of metal songs are about, like battle. Yeah. Like going into battle of some kind, and there's a heavy emphasis on just a cool sounding title like right? Everything has to sound way kid. Even in that Metallica. Movie when the right song say were like fourteen year old so Don cool. Yeah. I couldn't tell you if metals good or not, like I can't tell right. Arise. It's hard to tell they all do drum rolls and lick strum. Not a ton of melody. Yeah. The melody is. Enjoy a melody. Yeah. These guys got tons of melody. I will say, yes. Okay. That's, that's what really like blew my mind. I buy that they have that they alternate. There's a lot of acoustic stuff really these four. Four. Your friends. Okay. One per member. Remember what's, what's up next? All right, number my pick and it's Tijuana Panthers with little pamphlet moose. It's just about the Croix. Hit play. Good this by that. If. These guys from Tijuana bear from Long Beach, California, are, like surf punks. Yeah. I heard this before. Gives me executive. Petition of. Where are you at a grad club and Orange County here this, where I heard this whack? I know. Remember where I heard it. I like it. It's a garage rock entry for the day. Some jam. Good job. Hey, thanks guys. It's not bad at all right? Let's see what's coming in. All right. It's Howard's, pick number one, it's Taylor swift with you need to calm down. You need to calm down. That's how she meant it. But that's my niece now loves Taylor swift, and she was only seven, she's going to have a few more years with her. I don't know. But they that like it's just like damn it almost rhymes. Problematic accent. Yeah, I don't know how I feel about her saying, you're taking shots at me like I'm patrolled she's one never done that before in her life. But then when she went damn at seven AM feel. Yeah. You can't say damn. And think that rhymes with an. Stretching it a real stretch, but I have been like you wake up in the morning, you're like Twitter again like seven AM. I get back on the sink, again, an AM's would be better than damn drew. Like what you did a better Ryan tweet at her. I think I did a Taylor swift tweet one. So then I, I was like, oh, I better Ville, eat this, because everyone, I'll get to her just about her her. This is just like that trying to place what it sounds just like that Mia song is that Mia Maya. Oh, whatever. Don, don. Steal get suit against like the right said, Fred thing she does steal stuff for sure. And now she's, you know, a champion of LGBT, which she was criticized for not taking any political stands. And it looks like she kind of, you know, drafted in there behind Casey, musk graves, the air political. She was best friends lane, and Dunham that too. That too. Does he political, like it's a positioning kind of a move? Yeah. And the second versa. This is all, you know, pro gay in that same kinda Casey must graves way. Okay. And you know, she has them in the video. So I think I like what she's saying? I couldn't really tell the message of the song, but I like the hush. Need to calm down, like stop me into people. Message late lady Gaga does agenda. Be nice lady Gaga fan. Are you guys? I like her out. Soups her now. She was Andrea, Martin character SETV. Oh, yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I, I like I'm not against her. But I don't really I only like, maybe two of her songs or something. Yeah. Latest album, the most. Okay. The country or whatever it was more. I there. Yeah. The JoAnne one, I thought that was great. Yeah. Check it out. Check that one out, though songs on the Chiloe probably not. Okay. Mama on the violet. I don't play violin mama. Oh, my mom. Yes, she could play anything pry mom on the. Guys. Good. But she sometimes goes, she's trying to try to. That's why JoAnne album because I felt like that wasn't trying hard. She's comma down. What about stars board? No. Wow. That's a wild. I never heard a big fan say. They didn't like that really. Not good. Not a good movie. Very problematic. Bows, the problems everything. Like did you see it? Yes. The whole thing. This was a two parter. I saw the first half one week went back to the theater. Watch the second half. Got their problems with the script the opening scene. She's somehow in the bathroom for no reason. Breaking up with a boyfriend and the line. I think was, yes. You're a good boyfriend. Yes, you're good lawyer, but a bad boyfriend, and then she slams the door and walks out of the bathroom. And it's like okay, now we know she's single, but why do we need that scene? And then I kept feeling about every seat. I was like, why do we need that scene then why Chapelle and their randomly? He's like you guys should get every script thing was so easy. It was like you're a star. You should be a star. You should get married. You should do this. How are we arriving? And in the there's a model going through the whole thing. He never gets out the whole model about his childhood that we don't care about rather is talking into his face. I thought the brother and he were going to make out a few times. My voice, it was you who was, you respected all along. Was just a I mean it was by the numbers, right? It was not good. That song is great which. And now they both broke up with the. Off what a piece of crap. Point is that the sun is good. Charm in this wasn't good enough to save the movie. Sure that movie I will say tricked me I watched it. And I was like, oh my God, this great afterwards. I have to tell you, I was a laughing. Dr. So we thought that was hilarious. Very. Hard for just drunk, the whole time. Yeah. The camera angles were to close up all the time. And then like any problems. He's like he was so comfortable at the drag bar was like he's. All right. Maybe you know, at that movie looked like it looked to me like everyone saying yes to these people every. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's amazing. 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How To Fix Our Mind | Venerable Cunda | 25 May 2020

Buddhist Society of Western Australia

48:28 min | 1 year ago

How To Fix Our Mind | Venerable Cunda | 25 May 2020

"So today good morning got to noon on copy. Be Winning in Australia. You see when we see someone will say today. How you going okay? So let me introduce myself if anyone met me for on Monday. Ms Venerable tuned earlier. And this'll be my third talk of this year in Jonah grow. We Treat Center. And you'll be my last talk for this year because next month I'll be going to another Buddhist monastery overseas to support the in body monastery. We do have a few branch bonus and the monastic are required to go to different breath monastery to support one. Thank you so today's topic Always think of a topic or Someti- swinton things come out over the days a weekend and become a good topic talk about today's topic our about being restlessness a home having a crazy mine because myself and also bendable twenty anti body toucher Brenner retreat. In the weekend so I helped to Kentucky a retreat take body touched on the weekend and one the question that came up quite quite frequency was how do you do with restlessness at home and dowse quite common Christian in the weekend on the online retreat? And he's also say how do with a reminders? Going all with the placer here that's true. It's not easy has a at home in lifer that's doing crazy. Mine and one question was also was the reason why became a nasty and what stages are when to become a monastic toll. I'll try and combine all district crush together onto this talk. Okay so I'll give them a bit of background on myself before I came the body on on mystery so I was born in militia so I left militiamen quite young. Roughly twelve years old and I went to a place called silent because My parents was leaving the at the time working in the mines so so I grew up on Christmas Island and I worked here for roughly twenty years. So I was criticizing diller but I was born relation now. I moved to Australia. Roughly roughly twenty years ago. So I wasn't born the Buddha's our free finger. I want and I enjoy my locked the Max so when I was in my early S I was working up in the minds. And Yeah Spacey. Be a rebel idea. I want and I behave in pretty say just looking for fun and business did drink a lot and did smoke a lot when you were up the mindset. That's what most people at the time. Drinking Smoking and partying a lot and it was about twenty two years ago so we do not have much internet and working up in the minds. Uc's majority of the work is was basically men till became quite competitive and Yeah we say be aggressive so I call into those car mentality competing wine now. Nada and try and be a tough man. I been the website you. Yeah but I mean it was quite peaceful can after work. There wasn't much to do so most of us would just hang around in the pub drinking smoking and dismissing around. So I did it for a few years about two years. Ottawa got really sick tile and also can be up stock up in the minds not able to see my family not having a law freedom to just be my friend. Sir All go to other places because at the time I was doing my apprenticeship up in the minds so I was tactic for four years. So it's quite interesting so I started my Buddhist practices so I did notice. I was hitting quite aggressive. A developed a beer with time temperature so I used to explore in Rasiah working in the minds just arguing and fighting with before so it wasn't a good habit and a new habit plus our spacey drinking a lot lower and smoking to actually make degraded my mind and my mental wellbeing so start to fall apart so I was thinking a lot and getting quite depressed for certain about the future regret. What happened the past so thinking back and forward to future and the past and reappointed to our skating quite oppressor and having an attacker and to the point way traveling mice our myself a bit blurry and my hearing was in that was getting ringing and a B. of a headache in because so badly custody for like one week so so we're not sleeping well Awake at night year and moving around turning back and forth so yeah so called your life was going downhill. So it's a bit light. Being in lockdown stuck in one place and not able to go anywhere SCO to work in the minds and go back to the combination and also the time we have an Internet so yeah get must contact with my family but luckily I decided to maybe change my lifestyle and just do something different so maybe at decide to do some special practice so I start looking around to do some special practice and Buddhism become quite attractive to me because when I first went to a Buddhist center do visit. Because they're having a celebration and I noticed that felt very peaceful and people were three happy in kind and quite generous and quite helpful so I felt quite say we lacks a in going to the Buddhist center up in the minds up in the minds we have the mindset year and we have a town the town we have a mixture of different people and background. So of the group was a Buddhist community deal so I went to the boot until just to just to check out deceleration so on the this Free Nicer. The whole pleased quite nice. This law. Nice kind people so I decided to go into Liberia and ball a book to read so wonder book read was good question and answer so. I read that book. He Law my question that life can be quite difficult and talk about the four. Noble Truth. Life is suffering and the causes suffering because we wanting that we can get and we don't want thing to happen in life and the all the one way to overcome our mental suffering is to understand suffering itself and of practice a foolproof so after reading that La am reading the five precepts. I realize well. This is quite interesting. I really want to learn more about learn how to overcome my suffering so I started to read this book on Buddhist Book Direct Dhamma Potter and that released by a lot so the Buddhist say that we are the a of common owner of a common and mine is the forerunner everyting so wherever we do a Combo for us. We do that then bat ball rice and we do good. La Risa is like the the wheel of the OX wheel that turns so communist like a shadow. La that never leaves the Vasa to wherever we go. There's always shadow behind so that can be set with good and back home to S. I started learning more on this practice. Wanting I learned or spacey. The most important thing is to be mindful to bring awareness to what we're doing by body speech and no intention and one way to overcome mental suffering was to practice compassion and loving kindness so at that time when now. Soleil percent before was put. This was quite angry and so sometimes. I'll have fit of rage was while at work or at home so I I knew I got I. D have anger problem and allow my friends when they see me to say all. Is Mr Grumpy again? So I was quite angry and people in person in early twenties. So after reading about loving kindness and compassion. I say okay. I decided maybe I need to do more. Compassion and loving kindness. Talk practice loving kindness. The TIME WAKE UP BE HAPPY DOWN. My Life be happy. What about two? So that also involve working in the workplace doing job docking to. Why do customers to people at work so our practice loving kindness and I and being friendly to everyone and also respectful to everyone? So I've been the mind. Sometimes we do practice that way. It could be signs of weakness so people who tend to act the tough man mentality but I decided I needed to change my mind and change my thinking and develop more happiness in Maha so I started to practice loving kindness regardless what was happening up to the more I wanted I realized or more I practice loving kindness to more happy I become and the less explosive heap. I've become a lot effort in the not to get angry or argue if we are to people and afterward I realized that people at work. Subtlety respect me more often and become more like trust for deal of my character would work place to the point now within roughly. Yeah come remember. We've seen about one or two years. They gave me of promotion and they promoted me from a trace person working as a mechanic reminder to To a supervisor I can do my job very well. Judy my mouth in this practice saga people very well so there was one benefit. I find that when I was axing Buddhists up in the minds and a lot my spare time a suspen Buddhist books and listen to Dhamma talks and has spent a lot time by myself up in the minds so at that time was keeping to five precept. I stopped drinking and I stop smoking noisy at the moment because we have a storm here so the rain comes and goes good to practice patient. I don't think this the rain will stop to. Maybe I discontinue talking and speak a bit louder practicing loving kindness for quite a few months and I did notice anger become less and less and I can basically sleep better night year and my trembling exceed become less so I realized that EXC- because I've developing a positive attitude at worker and towards myself. I find that the my anxiety and anger become less and less and less and later on a few months down the track. One of the Buddhis- Buddhist Center if I wanted to learn meditation so she gave me Tape Sur by Brown and I go interesting this western monk so so it must have taught. English and saw in Mandarin sat listening to a lot of teaching. And it's a lot a lot on guided meditation. So I listened to a law guided meditation and I got a lot of good result when layperson in the mind practicing meditation. Remember the first time when I listened. Galloway Titian it was quite peaceful was a moment of calm and peacefulness. I got from the from the first time I listened to gather. Meditation felt so peaceful. Happy still inside my mine that I felt really free and happy. And I realize meditation could be very powerful to overcoming t to crazy mine and the more that I find practitioner in the mind. Zor to more calm to more happier more peaceful I became and I did notice my head when the way my shaking shaking completely stopped by eyesight improve where it was quite shetler was in blurry and my hearing exit become perfect and after a while notice even my help improve so Masha I used to get stress and or read too much affected. My health has get sick. May Be every two or three months for fever. All the to spend tired to tying Austin after doing meditation practice loving kindness for few Mesa managed change by term life around so these days in the minds eye hardly sick. Maybe I'm Mike was year but I tend to overcome quite quickly. Just having a positive mine and practicing meditation quite lot so after been a Buddhist for a year La During my holidays and my time offer will come down to Earth to be sitting my parents and my family and wanting I make a commitment to go and see that Monka Classroom Brown because debt guide imitation self taped and Tom talk so I decided to Put myself in the body on the ministry a- TO From Brown and have it chat with him so it was quite to piece it and chat we browned so after that I decided. Okay I need to come more often. Stayed in the monastery at least once a year for two weeks to one month to try and depend my practice and to experience the monastic life and practice so that was about. Yeah about twenty twenty two or twenty one years ago I got so interested in the monastic practice. And how the -mongst specs senior a decided to ask my parents if I can ordain as a monastic and discover try and now twenty three at the time and my parents say no. You cannot day in you too young and you stew all day. I see because they put so much effort to raise me Abla. And they're not happy to see me decide to fall my life away and go and join the monastery say okay. That's not a problem to our status and all Dana for ten years and help my parents to pay off the house. So I stay up. I woke up in the minds for eight years into. I took redundancy package and moved on to perform up by doing the saying up in the minds. Not Hang on my friends. Messing around the keeping the precept and practice law. Meditation and doing with this study exit gave me a little happiness joy because during those time of isolation or being alona by myself after work de la study on Buddhist study. And I'll pretend that okay the buddha the renounce before becoming lighten and spend a lot time by myself in the forest passing striving to become enlighten Taisei. Maybe I'll do the same thing Tula. I spent time by myself a home in the minds. Or sometimes I'll just drive to the forest and just be alone and practice meditation and study SARS learning more. Would some so after leaving the mines and coming back to Perth to work and to be my family I found that coming back to PERF was a lot more busier lifestyle. And this morning. Stu just more entertainment and the sense of peace Sir. I'm calmness become less and less in my mind because game more and more and really caught caught. We've the lifestyle living perfect and after a while. After one year I partner with my friends and my bra to subtly a this Running a workshop imperfect to business ran for about one and a half years so in the beginning all new business other we do well or it will collapse because any new business within the first two years it make collapse to you. See the the. Uc's about fifty percent that it will do well. Low collapsed so running my business with my friends and broader a mechanical repair shop La in Perth. I was working from ten o'clock or eight o'clock in the morning into late night. You're doing double schieffer and I used to eat nominee work up to six hours but it was good because I practiced law. Mindfulness always working all business but after one year skating very tired working long hours so the knicks year in the second year. The business was in doing so well because my partners that what we mean business decided it was too much for them to take so one one of Dame left and and started easier work because running new business times the he said when generate income was a high. Because I think we're getting pay about four dollars to five dollars a week to when you will for other businesses you can't you don't have to be manager call a Business owner so be a business owner if if to Basildon tend to cut down your own pay as much as possible to keep the business of life so along my partner found it was very difficult so a few started to leave business and started to Levada chops are high. Pay So after six months a decided not so well so I decided to work closely business Downer and pay off the debt so I was working for another company working the factory to pay pay off my debt for the business so while the factory was while I was working in the factory. Be Of my dad decided. Okay I will go and stay in the monastry here for two weeks so I stay Nippon. Two weeks and was a great relief for me because beat fair with the business and the beat very disappointed but stay in the ministry two weeks. When I saw a layperson managed to cough aloft my disappointment and Olov happiness and peace came back and I realized that carrying on disappointment help fear on my mind to manage to let things go and realized that or the hard work running the business. What did not win? So well and those some of the savings cycle up in the minds when we've business tool so I basic disappointed by realize everything in life is in impermanent and sometimes we had to all let all disco so I decided mentally test to let it go and let Depaz. Don't carry on Mahat too much to the more holiday. Go to more happier more. Vip became realize. Wow this is quite so. It's been ten years really. Maybe I can ask my parents say evacuate Nordine as monastic so ideas. My parents again after ten years and it was quite funny by per. Say No you. Can't they say oh by not say while they're still alive? You can all Dana. I say about another ten years pen. My parents made a mistake and told me Kim even after another ten years while they are still alive for the answer is no. You CANNOT ORDAIN INTO. Pass away stopping by. That's not fair. I waited for ten years and ask and they say no say another ten years and I think okay okay. After ten years ask will be. It's no be no again. I go lucky asa question so I decided okay since by Francino Nola after ten years then I'll pay see. Just go ahead Dana. Some monastic decide not to Be `obedient my parents rebelled. Lucky decide to do that. Yeah so come up to the monastery quite interesting amid was law work working at Gary Kiss trainee in the kitchen. Driving cooking touring assignment in the monastery and at that time the shoe quietly lofty and GEICO's left and some of the day as a monastic or is a novice to our basically my self in the kitchen driving cooking and doing other differentials roughly for about six six six month for two hours only trainee daily. Yeah was good. Our most used to working very hard as a layperson wanting to help me working up working very hot. Lewis able to be mindful on everything. I do in washing my mind very carefully. So it's been a long. Yeah it's been about two years. Joined the monastery Dane. Yeah then look back. The monastic. He's a good lifestyle because you can have a a lot of time to practice and the law reflection when things difficult things happen. Can you see learn? True wisdom over commit a lettings cold and my health has been pretty good. Do Notice if I do get sick arrests. I do my meditation and Ucla. Sickness tends to disappear go away pretty quickly. One time. I went to India Google Michika before USA goal and some of the monks decided before did go on Pogo. Mitch took a law vaccine an injection. So they won't get sick when they are on the India Puke Mitch to I decided no I'm not going to get any taxation on medicine. Go out to the holy site year or on the pillow poker media and if I do say so so be so. I did manage to get sick. I got diarrhea. Ariba headache and quite sick. So I've got Jessica for a long time. So Wallace getting sick can this occurs in one place. Where would pass away apparently abandoned so I say well? This is a good place to get sick because his where the Buddha Cacique got really sick and postlewait apparently vulnerable to us is lying down in my room in my bed else going well by if you could. I knew I wasn't sick enough to die by Phil hours dying but s I gave of kindness and compassion and have a positive thinking to myself wanting realized sickness. Wasn't that bad. The more I develop peace and compassion towards myself and these sickness went away pretty quick so yeah two hours pretty healthier on that play in India spy as for my friend was also on the trip with me and also some nuns in Sarah to most of the people on the trip learn the monastic quite sick and when they came back for the India Commission mission to a stew sick for like two weeks and now it's quite healthy and I think I realize I always go back to my practice and learn to let go of dementia suffering and find that this body as masters as bowl. Try and let the body be and let it go musk's possible benefit of being a monastic when you practice more and more and more as you get older as you get sick significantly the writer learn to make peace we this body allow these poly and defy census too slowly slowly fe away. Been A monastic one. Out Duties is to teach so we do do a lot teaching one of the places that we teach is in the army tail Meditation Group and that is in in Amadeo next to next to the Amodio Hospital Tola community centre though Dusty Amatil Meditation Group and we do have law. Patients are recommended by the doctors to join the meditation. Seventy MA QUITE SICK. Quite some have chronic and serious sickness by cancel and yeah so a lot of new. People that come to meditation. The first time I recommended recommended by doctors to one place that we teach petition is at the moment in group so the doctors say that sometimes they find patients to go do the meditation class. The tend to recover quick earlier and their sickness improve to the point ner even if this suffering from very very back cancer they can manage to live longer and also they don't worry and stress are so much because sometimes when a person's really really sick and the dying. The mental suffering can be overwhelming and we do make peace with if our mine then sometimes t body to recover quite rapidly and even we don't recover the paying of the body become less and in some cases we find some people cancer not spread and he can manage to live for a few years longer in some cases we finer times. Did this a person that we known that is pretty bad cancer and I must see him for a long time but he's still a life after ten years who dat back cancer spread. Always body to is quite amazing. Drew to the meditation that you can pay see allow the body to heal and regenerate are racists that we come across as Buddhist monk also one. I'd like to talk about this. The monks to go out to the recent farm. Closer to monastery about I think about eight kilometers away from here as a prison farm and amongst to go there quite often every Friday to give guided meditation but due to the restriction and the lockdown. The monks are not going up now. But hopefully the new restriction is lifted then. The monks can continue. Go to the next to the hospital to give Gamma Titian to the patient. And also to go to the crease and farm to gather meditation. One of the prisoners or experts in this used to be in the preseason was move transfer from prison farm. Allow discreetly preseason where People Nami stay for few years before they become released from prison so he was transferred to maximum the maximum prison in another location in Western Australia to when he was transferred to the maximum piece in who saying the first night was pretty hard for him to be in the new place where he was locked up in the Selah. We always read them in a prison farm. You have your own dumb Tommy Tree and you can move around within the prison to get to exercise go to canteen go to GM or work recent palm but when he was transferred to maximum discreet here prison he was locked up in the self three away so he told me that when he was lockout La. The only thing he can do la was to sit down meditate calmly and peacefully any described that when he was in the maximum security. Prison is not the first time you've been there before with saying the person next door was his first time and the guy was going completely crazy screaming shouting and banging on the on the sale and the Mola completely going nuts and crazy and my friend was saying that he was seen down deal. Listen to screaming and shouting and banging in the prison next solar and all he can do was maintain. He's the mine from going crazy. This Judaism. Meditation has been practicing meditation from many many years and also learning meditation. Been a prison farm so you say the only thing that kept me say in lockdown isolation was meditation to Nice. Stall Story ALLERGIST SHARE WITH PEOPLE. Being excuse me so be in. Prison in isolation is busy one of the most extreme experience opposing danger. Not if a his Co. could be very hard sometimes very difficult. Our Seen Victoria staying in Newburgh This ministry one person drove about almost two hours from his home. All the way to the monastery up in new berea with despondency three and he came mean after lunch about one o'clock and I saw him. I say oh we finish lunch. He came too late. He came over with partner and I could tell was quite unsettled and quite disturbed for so I sit down and chat with him. Power was going on and he's been reading a lot with spoke interested on Buddhism and he online founders. There was there was a monastery getting built up at Yubari to the era that the monastry is sabotage is in Victoria. Newbury to demonstrate record newbury despondent three so I was up to Supporting one my friend was a senior monk and to kill some of the work and teaching to and being path of a monastery in the community. Because in the new monastery you see days a hell of a law worker because you see in a new monastery on starting this all work and a small son year but once a monster is built la in establishing runway world. Then you get a lot will come in to stay on the street and octane but in the beginning of a new ministry associate so there's a law worker responsibility so I'll up dea to support my my my monastic friend. So he was away in Singapore. Giving a teaching. So it's just me. I was only monkey and this layperson came in after lunch and he wanted some help and he asked me if I can give him guidance and the US okay. What kind do I can tell that? He was quite still yours holding a lot anger in his hotline so I asked him what is happening. And how can they help and they say that he was in prison for few years and when he called our prison doors carrying the anger and the hurt and the rationing is hard and it safe acting is his life and also affecting his? Is Life his partner? Some time WHO EXPLO- in of Asia Toast having a Lotta anger carrying a lot of things in his pass within so I can't really talk to him too much gave motto advisor to decide given one very simple advisor essay. Our mind is like vessel a vessel water. A report law sold into the vessel water after a while. The water tastes very salty. So just so east deformities of mine. Anger rage this discontent. So is fine. If if if the vessel a water is become very salty does mine. You can always dilute the saltiness of the water by always clean water in the more we at clean water into vessel later on T. saltiness of the water. Become less and less than become so so t to to water is like the mine. We add the law of and rage by adding more so into the water. It tastes very salty but we on adding clean fresh water than the taste of the saltiness become less and less toss a slide that we can be quite malleable and he can be changed to a longest you practice kindness compassion forgiveness to yourself into other people that are you slowly slowly. You can listen to tennis of the mine and develop a pure kind compassionate hob mine. So there's one of vice die gave to him and litany. Tony Left. I didn't see him for a month afterwards. To after Murphy D came back to the ministry a second time and relax more at ease more happier to was quite good to see him again and they will him why he did to go him in prison. Because you see for put this Monka. Our job is to help people if they are in difficult. Time on difficult needs to us about being a monastic. We practice deepen our practice and what we learn what we understand. Sherry other people. India needs when the in difficult times so this series of talks that the Masa giving during this code corona virus pathetic pandemic used to help other people in the practice in isolation but I heard the restriction getting less and less than a law places are opening up again so yeah so I think before the wasatch start in a few in two months time most of the Dhamma talks to wind down so this will be my last talk for this week or maybe even this Yayla so this is more of a Montauk in some background. Why became a Buddhist monkey? Okay so he's time to finish so sorry if I didn't speak things Kelly. Because of my spun militia so English is my second languish and Nami not fluent complete fluent English so I do have a accent to to my Malaysian background. And please forgive me if I didn't get very guided meditation today and Yeah give me if I say ending wrong by by body special nine please decay and have a nice morning afternoon evening. This all thank you.

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We Get It Now

Pop Culture Happy Hour

16:03 min | 2 years ago

We Get It Now

"Support for NPR and the following message. Come from HBO while everyone is talking and no one is listening. Bill. Maher is ready to get real watch. The all new season of real time with Bill Maher Fridays at ten pm only on HBO it'll be cheaper than therapy. This episode does contain some strong language, so just be aware of that. We've been making pop culture happy hour for almost nine years. And in that time, we've covered a lot of ground in spite of how firm or opinions often seem when we first declared them then times when they've changed. So at our recent live show at the Brooklyn podcast festival. We took a moment to talk about some times when we had second thoughts about things we thought we knew about ourselves in our beans. You'll hear that conversation after a short break. So stick around. This message comes from NPR sponsor zoom. Video communications videoconferencing has changed the way we do business. Meet happy anytime anywhere with zoom. Connecting team members across the globe. Imagine seeing up to forty nine people on the screen at once and digital video share anything a file of video of photo via desktop laptop, tablet or mobile. Visit zoom dot US to set up your free account today and meet happy with zoom video communications, zoom dot US. Situated with requires working around Glenn's arms. Stop stop it. So as we were putting together this week show. We figured out that we hear a pop culture. Happy hour have been doing this show for almost nine years. Yeah. Years this summer, we're going up on nine years. And in that time, we've talked about a great lot of things, and occasionally we have even changed our minds about things we've talked about in the past. So what we thought we would do is talk about a couple of things that we have indeed changed our minds about Stephen wanting you why don't you start us off or well, I decided to do a Glenn Weldon style taxonomy because it's been awhile since we've done attacks on on the show biting my style. Go ahead. So this is the taxonomy of opinions that I have had to reconsider and sort of reasons why taxonomy of reconsidering wrong somebody a little early for any of them to remarry popping. Nope. We'll get we'll get to that. We'll get to that. There's the Texana. There's there's I was young. What are you going to do like when in nineteen Ninety-one as a fledgling music critic, I declared that blood sugar sex magic by the California funk rock band red. Hot chili peppers was the number two album of the year. Okay. We're going back. There is I'm going to did not get that memo digging in digging into the archives. There's there's the artist was young. What are you going to do like when Radiohead came out? And I thought they were just like another dumb nineties all rock band. And then they then they became great. There is artists who seem great. But then grow to become tiresome. Like when I thought that DJ Khallid was a. Was a breath of fresh air instead of instead of a one trick pony with like four catchphrases and some very unfortunate. Opinions. Yup. There is an artist who seem tiresome, but then grow to become a great, which we will get to later in this discussion. There's I love this. And then learned it was problematic, which just everything which is depressingly depressingly to numerous dimension. But we'll just we'll just leave it off with Roseanne. Sure, there's when you're just plain wrong like when Glenn didn't like the movie her and Linda did like the movie Mary Poppins returns. You have no whimsey. You have no whims as fine. I'm the only one with whimsey. It's you know, how do I side? And we all we all love Linneman, Melrose it because that is the law. And if we don't we'll be taken away by his Jack booted thugs their charming, very tuneful Jackson. There C-plus dancers plus singers. But they are charming. Wow. I didn't necessarily expect people to get so angry during my I just I'm looking order the part of this where Glenn delves into his hatred of sully the hero pilot. Let's go ahead. Stephen. And finally, there is confusing with understanding that something is not actually for me Glennon, I experienced this with the movie frozen. Yeah. I experienced this by not appreciating mama Mia to here, we go. Again, the way the way that my colleague to my rights to be fair. You're not a homosexual or a woman or day drunk on blush wine. So. You need to out of the. Finally, the time that to my attornal shame. I critiqued the TV show rupaul drag race using. You're not giving out here. A live using using literally the three dumbest words I have ever used when critiquing anything, and I quote, it's too loud. Normal. Wow. So there you have it my taxonomy of wrongness tragedy in seven acts boy. I didn't remember I didn't remember that. You had had some of those opinions. So if any of you are looking for a seat on the show, we have applications. I did not remember the repulsed drag race thing. Yeah. I mean, I didn't think you had or there would have been a fight. All right, Glenn. What did you come up with doctor strange the film? Doctor strange when we talked about the show back in November two thousand sixteen we had as fourth chair the great end. Good cat Chow. Give it up a cat Chow. And she as is her want came up with some very penetrating insightful observations about her misgivings about the film about it's a reliance on his kind of fake lazy oriental ISM with the exotic east, and specifically the the casting of Tilda Swinton as a character called the ancient one which see previous point, and and I proceeded to well. Well, we have a clip to me it felt like till those Swinton is again, like Scarlett Johansson and ghost in the shell or Emma stone in Aloha, you really get over the fact that they put a white actor in a rule that by all logic should be played by an Asian person. Right. Right. Yeah. But let's question that logic. Okay. Because. Yeah. I go on from there to talk about Somerset mom and he enforced during the long history of white guys going to the Mideast to get. So if you if you're scoring at home that is three things at once that is men's planing, whites planing and nerds planning. All like, a duck. And of suck is what that is. And you know, I go on to say something about how well you gotta take think of it from their perspective. They had their hands tied. Yes. Side with the mega corporation. That's always a good luck. They need your help. They need the benefit of the doubt. And also, I know what I was doing. I think part of it was that she was coming for Tilda, and I'm a gay, man. And and we just had we go into a protective we circle the wagons. When you talk about that, we want more till two everywhere we want to see till that have a cooking show. We want till. I have a daytime talk show think about that for a second. Wouldn't that be awesome for a second? We went till that it'd be the wacky neighbour on last man standing we want till the everywhere. And, but of course, I mean, she's got a great. She's right. She's absolutely right. Because it made me question. Not only the casting of Tilda, but the casting doctor strange I've been thinking a lot about superheroes for most of my life. That conversation made me question, some very basic unquestioned assumptions about these characters because if you were to what superhero stories are there about the miracle. The unlikelihood of altruism in the world, of empathy. Right. And what if we instead telling the same stories we've been telling this failure of imagination where we just translate the comics directly to the screen. What have we question everything and make altruism be the core of these characters? But we ask how that altruism where it comes from. Because if it's a straight white, dude, it comes from place patriarchal like literally patronizing little like, I will take care of you. I got this. I will restore order. If that altruism comes from a different place where it is formed in a culture that doesn't extend any empathy to you. You're not complicating them, I think you're deepening them and it hasn't happened. A lot has happened here there, and I don't mean just, you know, just changing the pigment on the page or just casting a black black actor. I mean re. Thinking these characters in the basic way, and I have lots more to say about this individual like inaugur fee, but we're going to be at how your after this. So if you want to just have a cut your six, we'll talk about it. But basically to sum up cat was right. Doctor strange that movie. Thoughtful. Job. Mine is not quite that involved. Mine is fairly straightforward. And I don't think it's going to shock anybody. But what I decided that I had changed my mind about was Andy Sandberg, and the reason here's why chose Andy Sandberg Andy Sandberg was when he was on Saturday Night Live part of a whole tradition of guys that I found very difficult to kind of hook into their comedic sensibility. It's not just the bro of it. But it's the bro of it combined with a certain I don't really have to write anything just have to talk and funny voices and make noises and mug and be the kind of the biggest broadest person in the scene. I was never a person who is nearly as impressed by him on us analysis. Other people were it comes from the same place as my at the time. My my suspicion of Jimmy Fallon my suspicion of especially Adam Sandler, who aside from. Just one person wanted to add a little something about about a totally get it. And look like I love the Hanukkah song. And that's he's definitely had his moments. But for me, I could never really a hook into him either. And by the way, I will say I am basically the only person in the world who liked that dumb movie? He made with Jennifer Aniston. And I still don't know what happened that day when I thought. By Andy Sandberg to me was a really tough kind of comedic character for me to get into when he was on us. And I remember when I first saw him in Rashida Jones movie Celeste and Jesse forever, which is about a couple sort of breaking up and trying to figure out if they're going to get back together, and it really, although it has comedic elements. It really is a largely dramatic performance in some ways, and I it's a very heartfelt performance. And it really surprised me coming from him. And I think that film there are definitely like Adam Sandler has done dramatic acting. And you know, there are there are exceptions like this for all of these guys. But for me that really showed me a kind of a really heartfelt side of him. And then of course, he got cast in Brooklyn, I nine, which if you do not watch Brooklyn, please go watch Brooklyn. I nine come on, man. It is probably my favorite most rewatch -able show right now in terms of I can watch it and almost unlimited number of times and have and he on that show started off in a very they of brought him in kind of a really arrogant hotshot that was kind of the initial take on him on that character was that he in the police precinct was the best detective on the squad and kind of rebelled against authority and stuff like that. And as the first season went on they they sort of re-jigger that character to the point where he was a bit more of a. He was a pleaser. He just wanted to please everybody, especially his captain captain Holt played by Andre brower who he doors and looks up to and he exactly we all do good point good point audience. And I think that for for me the progression of Andy Sandberg from somebody who I just didn't really think had a lot of range. I thought it was kind of like if you find that kind of mugging enjoyable, then that's for you. I think the warmth of his performance on Brooklyn nine nine has really kind of re caused me to rethink my feeling about him. And for that reason, I think I'm more open to other people with those kinds of really specific comedic sensibilities growing into different kinds of acting. And it's always funny to make us. He actually they made a movie where he played Adam Sandler, son. And I've always kind of felt like he could have just been Adam Sandler. And like he could have been like, oh, he's making grownups for whatever. And he kind of went this other. He went this other like really cool way to me. And and I've been really happy to see that. So I take back my original assessment of Andy Sandberg. All right. But has that been has your rethink been colored by the fact by the by shallow observation that in the last five years due? Dude has hired a stylist. His hair is better. So he dresses better. So I feel like. Yeah. No, no, no. What I'm thinking about what I'm thinking out loud about is. I'm thinking about whether I can tell you. I'm gonna tell you she'll forgive me. Do you know Kristen Jericho who works at BuzzFeed? She works. She's unladylike, and she's a wonderful wonderful writer and really fantastic. I was giving her some advice about restarting Brooklyn, I nine she had started at at one point. She hadn't really been into it. And I kind of jumped her over the part that is part of the beginning. Where the Joe literally oh character is kind of obsessed with a the Stephanie Beatrice character, and it's kind of gross uncomfortable. But they got away from it. And I kind of helped her sort of jump over that and get past it. And the next thing that she that she that she deemed me was like do I have a crush on Andy Sandberg? I was like probably. So yes, looks good in the talks. Well, and he's kind of he's kind of grown into it. I think he's kind of Tate. He has a more confident less needy comedic persona than he did. He's it's not quite as grasping as it was when he was young when he was super young. So yeah, I think the answer to your question is yes, he's a Cutie pie. He's a Cutie pie. Yeah. You like Brooklyn. I nine you know, a little bit. Yeah. I've only watched each episode like forty times probably watched each step is of episode of the good place like fifty times. So maybe that's the most rewatch -able. Let us know it pop culture. You've changed your mind about find us on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash PCH or tweet us at PCH. If you want more from us, including links to what made us happy this week and recommendations for your weekend. Fleas subscribe to our newsletter at NPR dot org slash pop culture newsletter. We will see you. All right back here next. This week on asked me another other. 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The Dead Dont Die (2019) | Jim Jarmusch

The Qwipster Film Review Podcast

11:22 min | 2 years ago

The Dead Dont Die (2019) | Jim Jarmusch

"They asked me this whole thing's gonna badly. So what exactly do you mean running? Oh. Don't know. It's just a feeling, I guess, strong feeling boy. Welcome to the quick, Stor film, review podcast. My name is Vince, Leo. I am the author of the film review website, quit stir dot net. I might you to check out over four thousand of my written reviews can read their anytime quip, stir dot net is where to go key. W. I. P. S T, E, R dot net. While you're there, I doing courage you to check out my other podcast called around the world in eighties movies covering, of course, films of the nineteen eighties, you can find the link to that, at that website, quips through dot net today. I'm going to be looking at the latest film from Jim Jarmusch. It is called the dead don't die, one of his rare excursions into a horror movie, probably his most horrific it's an R rated film does have zombie violence gore and for its language. The run time is an hour and forty four minutes. Bill Murray and Adam driver are the main stars. Tom waits. Tilda Swinton, Danny Glover Steve shimmy, Caleb lender Jones, Selena Gomez and many others. Are in this film, as mentioned, Jim Jarmusch is the director. He also writes, the screenplay Jim Jarmusch has taken on horror before to be sure in twenty thirteen. He had a vampire flake called only lovers left alive. I consider that much more of a drama than it is a horror film, though. This one takes his usual lightheartedly droll approach to cinema builds on this, quirky and blues e and lackadaisical vibe, that he spent his entire career cultivating, and like zombies that are the subject of this film, it brings people back to life in a certain way for Jarmusch. And that's kind of a meta aspect of this film, Jeremy here, resurrecting at least one actor from each of his films that he's ever made over the course of his nearly forty year career as a director this one has more of an outwardly conscious agenda, though, than many of his films. But still full of Jarmusch 'isms, and it is rife with an Omar to the John respite paying respect to George Romero's, original night of the living. Dead. As far as the plot goes after the earth's rotation ends up getting disturbed due to environmental fallout. That results from so-called polar fracking strange natural phenomena, began occurring all over the globe, including in one area, lease the dead coming back to life and the end of feasting on the living. Bill Murray here stars in his second zombie comedy after he appeared very briefly in zombie land. He plays cliff Robertson. No, not the actor, the chief of police for this small Mayberry. Ask town of Centerville Centerville being an Omayad to the town in Frank Zappa's, nineteen seventy-one musical feature called two hundred motels cliff along with his partner in fighting very little crime in Centerville officer, Ronnie Peterson seemingly joke. Adam driver, please Peterson. He also has been in two Jarmusch films really in a row. He plays a character in his last film called Patterson. So Patterson to Peterson wonder what could be next? They find themselves having to deal with the gruesome deaths that the uncover coming to the realization that things may not end well for themselves or their community, if they don't take decisive action. There are a lot of short side stories to this film, but character touches are really part of the appeal for Jim Jarmusch. His film is knowingly dumb in its approach men's ambi- films. Even classics tend to be though financing proved to be a difficult task for Jarmusch. There are a number of effects shots and some high concept ideas to take into account here and due to the difficulty in keeping this cast together. The shoot was a shortened one co star, Adam driver was only able to commit to about twenty days of Vail ability to film, and it rained, a good deal of time during the shoot in sweltering. Heat Jarmusch ended up contracting, walking pneumonia during the making of the movie in addition to breaking one of his toes, and he pushed through all of that to work fifteen hour days, and all of this caused further delays now as with some of the better films in the sub-genre the story here proves. To be a metaphor if you look under the surface of the gore and the horror, that's something that George Romero himself had carried through with his series of zombie classics. In fact, the themes here are really reminiscent of the same things that they were talking about fifty years ago in Romero film Jarmusch says that the moral lessons were not learned over those fifty years, and they still exist today. So that's why he basically doubles down on them. Jarmusch understands all of this. He attempts to draw out the metaphor. It's maybe two apparent here, though, even ending with one of the characters essentially spelling out, in words, what the film is actually all about spite, pervert, Buell neon signs at pointed out all along the way for us. John things that we're on the road here to another catastrophic event for the planet due to our lack of care for the environment in the pursuit of profits and the people of the world. They walk around like zombies, the dead, call out there preoccupations, they mutter almost incoherently such things as coffee free. Y and Chardonnay, we're all preoccupied with a host of ceaseless distractions. Materialism, rampant consumerism, all of these things that keep us from doing anything about the catastrophe that's all going to do as in. And what's more is that death doesn't care who you are your political persuasions, even though we seem to think these things are super important. We're all in the same boat in a global catastrophe and should be working together to solve these things. And yet we're to walled off by our own making to see the common threats and even blame each other for the reason that we're going to die in the end. Now as far as humor goes much of it plays off of this leisurely mostly deadpan reactions of these goofy likable characters. They seem kind of almost nonchalant in some respects to the horror show, that's going on around them. They're intentionally underplayed to a large extent by these actors for comic effect on occasion, there's going to be an off hand reference to such things as George Romero, whose owns ambi- movies seemed to be where Josh started. Pretty much ended his research into Zambia flakes. This really doesn't call out a lot of others. Be films that have come out since some jarring are the occasional meta textual references for instance. Adam drivers character is revealed to have a Star Wars related keychain the motel owners last name Perkins. The nineteen sixty eight Pontiac lemoyne's, that's driven by the hipsters is identical to the one that you can find in night of the living dead. They're all tossed into the mix by these suddenly sometime self-aware characters who occasionally seem to break character in order to discuss the movie that they're in. They comment on the theme song from sturgeon Simpson, or Adam drivers pre knowledge, that it's all going to end badly for them all. He's the only actor we hear that was given the entire script. And by the way, the film actually doesn't have a satisfactory ending. So maybe he's right film, does end badly after all when the Wu Tang clan's Rizza shows up as a delivery driver, working for woop ES, instead of UPS. You get the sense that Jarmusch has. Really taken a decidedly kitchen sink approach to his comedy in the dead, don't die. But that's not nearly as absurd. As the Tilda Swinton character a Scottish, Buddhist mortician. Name's Zelda, Winston kind of a playoff of Tilda Swinton. She's skilled with Catanha is a moment of dialogue here that gives away Jarmusch, his age, the name Zelda is commented upon by one of the characters is sounding somewhat familiar, not due to the rampantly popular video game, of course, the legend of Zelda, or an actress, poultry guys named Zelda Rubinstein or a character in Stephen king's pet cemetery. All of these things were cultural touchstones for a lot of people who are much younger and pet cemetery was actually about the undid in many respects. So it would have been a good Tien. But the character mentions that oh, Zelda that's the name of f Scott Fitzgerald's wife and strangely that character that calls out FitzGerald and his wife is someone in her, maybe twenties or thirties and. The only elder reference, she knows it seems a little hard to believe if I glanced till this wins character seems like she stepped off of different movie set and into this one, it really only gets more. So from their her last seen really takes us thing to another dimension. Now, those unfamiliar with Jim Jarmusch has a filmmaker and are just looking for a good zombie flick. I think those people are the ones who may come away with some disappointment for the dead. Don't die, the filmmakers, really not concerned with making a riveting or pulse pounding horror film here. What really ramp up any of the skiers or suspense? He's really mostly interested as characters and how they continue to interact with the world around them as things seem to be growing, bleaker, and more. Depressing. It's not an unenjoyable experience. But definitely, I would consider this lesser effort in the Jarmusch filmography, and that's partially because this is well, traveled material in its basic plotline, we've seen a lot of films, especially recently in the Walking Dead is still on the air and also partially because what's distinctly Jarmusch also? Dips into his familiar bag of humor. The kooky characters at inhabit is offbeat world with seen a lot of this material before Jarmusch does seem to be having fun tinkering with his new genre. But I also think that it's a kind of narrative that there's been no shortage of explorations into in recent years, and that leaves dramas the dead, don't die feeling like it's lived beyond its need to exist, much like some of the characters in this film. So I can't quite give it a full recommendation. I would say it's a real borderline Colin, what I do when I have a borderline call on a first time watch is to give it the lower of the two grades. So I'm going to give the dead don't die two and a half stars out of four two and half stars on Moscow means. I do think you had all the tools had all the talent to be a movie, I would probably recommend to most people who like this genre films, but it just falls short little flat doesn't really come to life, and I feel it's regurgitating a lot of things that Jarmusch is known for certainly if you're a big fan of his, you're probably going to still. Enjoy it enough to find it worthwhile. But I think this movie, which probably is his biggest crossover appeal movie is not likely to garner him. Any of the new fans that he may have thought he could get by making ambi- flake? So two and a half stars out of four is the best. I can give the dead don't die. At least as of this viewing. Thanks, everyone for listening. I hope that you enjoy this view. If you have your own thoughts on the dead, don't die. You wanna let me know about them. You can find my contact information on my website. That's quips dot net w as ER. Dot net. And until next time, thank you, everyone, please enjoy your time anytime you get to go to the movies.

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Thursday Red Pill Diaries-The Ruling Class Elites Threw A Party, Crowned Themselves An Emperor, And Nobody Came.

Mike Church Presents-The Red Pill Diaries Podcast

13:16 min | 5 months ago

Thursday Red Pill Diaries-The Ruling Class Elites Threw A Party, Crowned Themselves An Emperor, And Nobody Came.

"What they did yesterday is offensive. They shouldn't offend. Everyone's mind if you're a citizen or okay we're former citizens we're citizens of the former united states. I think that's how you would say that. Are you an expert. No i'm a citizen of the former united states under the constitution. Okay well what does that. Government in in in washington dc. Well first of all. It's not the seat of government any longer second of all it's more on the potomac river and art of all. It is the national government under the biden regime. That's what it is. Yeah but they have power. They cut a pipeline off power. They undid trump's this seventeen executive orders yesterday all seventeen undid something don. John of mar-a-lago had done. Do you now understand why here to be gotten rid of in any event. This was the let them eat. Supposedly this was supposedly said. Let them eat cake moment. Supposedly when marie antoinette was informed that the french revolution easter's were getting ready to storm the verse cy and capture her and king louis. Or maybe even. They weren't going to storm versailles but they were. They were Revolting in the streets and they were demanding this and demanding that and somebody came in the reasonable demands on these people. And and supposedly marie antoinette said let them eat cake think it was marie antoinette to said let them eat cake and of course lew louis and marie and her royal family were ultimately captured. You know how the story ends they get beheaded by guillotine That's pretty much what happened yesterday. The ruling elite said someone might said. You know there's still like sixty five million trump voting maga people out there that don't think that there's a legitimate government anymore aren't gonna vote in our elections and our right now working to separate from us so regime leader biden and the feckless personality lists. Solis dash harris in unison with the portion the clintons and all the rest of the ruling elites including mcconnell mccarthy all of them went let them eat cake. Why didn't the mainstream media bash biden yesterday by spending from spending all that money while there's so many thousands of americans still unemployed. Six hundred thousand flags eighty kagaku katy. Perry there's probably about guards swinton play by the by is they're going to be a garth brooks record burning party now. Did you know that if you if there was a campaign. the biden regime but Had a email campaign out that if you were to make a donation for the purchase of a flag to be plucked down on the national mall instead of people actual people right because can go out in public still because the corona hoax might kill you the donations for the flags. Guess where a portion of the proceeds from the purchase of the regime installation went. I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count. Where did the proceeds from the purchase of the inaugural flags or the again. I said inaugural for the regime installation ceremony flag. That were planted the national mall. Where did the proceeds go. Your time starts now raja. Your time starts now raja. Best of luck. This one is so easy i i. It's not even a fair question. Really maggie when i asked trivia question. You can't be. They wanted answer it. They went to planned parenthood. So the baby. Killing commenced immediately and the public funding the raising funds to monitor the soon to be born was part of the demonic ritual of the installation of by. I wish want you to think about that for just a moment here. You're not gonna hear this anywhere else on any other radio or television show. They actually sold sponsorships for those little flags. Who do this story. So i didn't national review sold sponsorships for those little flags. Here it is alexandra dysfunc- these sponsoring a flag at today's inauguration since the donation to planned parenthood they actually sold flags. Two hundred thousand of them with the foresight. In other words they planned. This was intentional to ring in order to coronate or a stall the new biden regime. So if you purchased one of the flags. A donation was sent the planned parenthood now. There was a box that you could check at checkout where i don't want my flag donation going to planned parenthood or whatever the default was it went to p p so the adreno chrome got ling demonic inspired diabolical biden regime. If you had any doubts began its wretched installation ceremony or at least helped the finance part of its wretched installation ceremony and we'll use the proceeds to murder the soon to be born. Don't know if they're going to have an adreno chrome guzzling party For vip members who bought more than thousand flags. Maybe it's a big bonus who knows. I don't know i wouldn't put it past them. But if you have any doubts as to the diabolical origin diabolical population and diabolical intense of the newly-installed biden regime. Why you have to completely divorce at separate from it as we have been counseling. I don't call these not. That is a completely separate and apart regime. Well just look at what the at how they carbonated themselves and what they did with the proceeds from that coronation funding the killing of the soon to be born. Some may say better. Char played par for the course. Trump wouldn't have done that when you say par for the course. I don't wanna play that golf course. Yeah i bought this course here. I think i'm supposed to be on the heavenly heavenly linked course. Yeah somehow. I got on the road to perdition course. I don't really want to be on that one can i. Can i drive my car. Over the air citizen. You will play the role different citizen and so it begins with diabolical force. Is there any doubt where this is headed. Mike church show here on the crusade channel. Always on air always online crusade channel dot com. So this ethic that i That are going to reach significant. Parts of this is written by The editor of a magazine called table mag and her name is new. Newhouse and the title of this. I'm not gonna do it now. Maybe i'll i'll. I'll probably start at the end of this segment and tease you with it. That's what we do in the biz and then we'll go to and we'll do some of it the second second because under second side ran on my talk about the ruling elite. We'll take it back to two thousand ten angelo m kotova bene- have a great new piece. That's out at the san austin review. Joseph pearson's magazine By the way. Fila rahmo g k chesterton tesl at elliott and the coming peril. So there are lots of people past and present better writing about an hour. We hope to be able to speak and televise about what is happening and some guidance and maybe some hope see baby pictures on how to make it through this. You make it through this as a family. So we're a bigger example of a family with our crusader stadium chat room and maybe even later this spring. A little crusade channel conference down here and louisiana a couple of more observations on the installation of the biden regime yesterday so the public was not invited yet. Thirty thousand to sixty thousand. No one knows the actual number national guard troops were called up and they were invited instead. What were they invited to do. Stand guard and make sure no. Actual peasant got into the ruling elite classes. Demonic coronation ceremony. Were the only thing that didn't happen yesterday. Maybe it happened in the bowels of the capital. Maybe there was an actual human sacrifice somewhere because you had the the clinton family. They're killary was there. He had the bush family. There you had the obama family there. And then you had the wretched traitor apostate. The pence family was there and then all of the usual suspects and they were all clad and the sign of the build back. Better the face diaper. There was not one member of the house of representatives. The united states senate or anyone else and that demonic in wretched kabul that attended the installation event. That did not dolph the face diaper. Still think that it's about health or is it about cult. Babu pete buttigieg showed up with a double face diaper and wanted everyone to know that he had a double face diaper because he wore the white one underneath which was bigger and then the little blue one the cute little blow the sequin on at over top of the white ones double face diaper protection this as we learn that the covid nineteen if there is something that's isolated and identified as virus covid nineteen This as we learn that it cannot be transmitted by a symptomatic people. And it's almost impossible to transmit it in public. You would have to physically try to get it from someone and they'd have to be symptomatic in other words they'd have to be coughing. Hacking wheezing sneezing knows running. Fevered said they'd have to be symptomatic. You'd have to miss. Spent significant time with them touching them in a near environment touching things that they had slaughtered or sneezed on. This is primarily spread then through close contact in homes. That's what the science is not spread. Casuarina wearing face. Diaper is not going to do anything even if it even if it could. It's not out there for it to stop so it's a cult thing now. An executive order was issued. Yesterday that i offer issue a one hundred day challenge for everyone in the united states. All three hundred thirty million of you to mask. Not just out of doors. Not just when you're out in the public all the time.

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#704: Suspiria / Top 5 Uses of Color

Filmspotting

1:33:06 hr | 3 years ago

#704: Suspiria / Top 5 Uses of Color

"A quick note to remind you about the next picture show. That's our weekly roundtable podcast that pairs new film with an earlier class. I'd great next picture show. Hosts our tasha Robinson, Genevieve Kaczynski, Keith Phipps and Scott Tobias in this week. It's part. One of a star is born double feature. They're pairing George nine hundred fifty four version starring Judy Garland, and James Mason with Bradley Cooper's remake, they pick the right one. Because that's the one that I've seen the only other one I've seen now I can listen to the sets, and it is probably the best one though. Now that I say at the nineteen thirty seven when I liked quite a bit. Actually, I might like it even more. Maybe they'll work in some talk about that one as well. The next picture show is available wherever you get your podcast. For more info, visit next picture show dot net. Kind of a show you guys putting on on in. To do this thing going to have a conversation. From chicago. This is film spotting. I'm Josh lers. And I met him camping are. On a new piece a piece about rebirths the inevitable poll that they exert and our efforts to escape them blood curdling for so not a fan of modern dance. I take Josh. Oh, that's what that was about. Yes. I thought it was witches till the Swinton they're in a scene from suspicious. A remake of the seventies cult film from talion horror master Dario are Gento suspicion is set at a famed German dance academy that spoiler is a front for a coven of witches. It's directed by. Call me by your name's Luca Guadagnino. I prefer Kovin this week on the show a review of spirit and the film spotting top five uses of color in the movies all that. And more ahead on film spotting. A reminder that the future is coming and you can make it brighter with squarespace also a reminder, if you don't know this already you're going to hear share our top five uses of color in movies later, and if we talked to fast or you don't remember the picks because we drone onto long. I'm not saying that what happened, of course. But if we did and you wanna go look up those titles. You wanna maybe even see links to some evidence? Supporting why we picked those tiles. Well, you can do that phone spotting dot net. If you just click on lists at the top of the page and go to our top five section all of our choices for every top five are there. And it's so easy to keep that page updated. Thanks to squarespace, which allows you to turn your cool idea into a new website where you can showcase your work blog or published content or sell products and services of all kinds. The great thing about squarespace, one of the great things is the way, you can customize the look and feel settings products and more or just update information like we do with the top. Five with just a few clicks using their beautiful templates. Everything's optimized for mobile right out of the box. And you have nothing to patch or upgrade ever, go to squarespace dot com slash film for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch us, the offer code film to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website, or domain. Think it dream it make it with scores base. Welcome to film spotting. We will be testing our powers of description this week. Josh the film spotting top five inspired by the original suspicious. You will find out if it really connects to this new one directed by Luca guate- Nino at all uses of color in movies. A great suggestion by you. How many synonyms are there for red? Because there's a lot of red in my list. I didn't put much time into any of those alternatives. You're just going to hear a lot of red. You didn't go to the source dot com now and really give it a workout or metaphors, sometimes helpful. They're not Adam you've got a little time till the top five. That's true. I'm excited to see what you came up with Josh. And do you want to briefly set up what we mean when we say uses of color in movies? Well, I I want to give credit where credit is due. It was an idea. I stole from a listener. Okay. Facebook actually, the best ideas come from their own. Usually that is the case Franko as male when he heard Ranko, San Francisco nice. When he heard that we were not doing our review of. Mid nineties and needed top-five Tynan disappear through that out there right away uses of color in movies. And I think you and I agreed pretty quickly on that. We wanted this to be something that was employed throughout the film, not a single splash of color. Maybe the example to give issue and Lurs list where it is that one use of the girls dress. We wanted something that carried through the entire film. But first before we get to those lists. How do you follow a critically acclaimed Oscar winning coming of age drama by directing a remake of a garish gory one thousand nine hundred seventy seven talion horror film, of course, when you have another. Make yourself in the indigent. It's create. Thanks. What is it? You want to be for this company? You can see. Is dangerous people. Why do we do this to ourselves Adam it's late, and that was a long movie and after screen review of Spiro? We got out of the film, maybe twenty minutes ago, and my head is still spinning as yours likely is probably not the best movie to choose for this review scenario. It's always difficult to come right out of the screening. Sometimes I prefer it just throw those fresh thoughts out there. But I have maybe more questions than I do thoughts at this point that they work we'll start there. I do think it's worth beginning by making a distinction between Dario are Gento superior and this one from Luca Guadagnino because a lot is added. There's an extensive running time compared to the original in actually two spirits. Yeah. Pretty much it almost gets to that point. And the bones are the same the story essentially is the same. We do have another American dancer who travels to oppressed. Aegis German dance academy also named Suzy banyan in this case played by KOTA Johnson. She gets there and fairly early on realizes that. Yes. Kovin coven, whichever one. You want to say it this things run by witches? All right. Those are the same plot points that both films follow. Here's some of the stuff that is added in two thousand eighteen suspicious. I won't give it all. Because there are some revelations. We should probably leave on mentioned it is set in Berlin in nineteen seventy seven. So one thing that is new is the hijacking of Loof Tonga flight one eighty one by members of the Popular Front for the liberation of Palestine. Yes, I had to look all this up. We're going to say you've had enough time to look that up because it is referenced throughout this film that this crisis is undergoing while the events of the story proper unfolding, okay? So that's added. There is also a character a doctor Klemperer. We will leave it to you to discover who plays Dr Clamper. But he is a psychiatrist interviews khloe grace Maurits as dancer in the very beginning of the film. She has escaped. She's a patient of his let's say, and she's been visiting him from the academy sharing these theories that he thinks are delusions about what's going on there. He becomes a very prominent character throughout the film. That's added. There are doctors in the original. But this is much more of a different take on that Suzy's past the Dakota Johnson characters past we go back to her childhood living on a Mennonite farm, particularly the deathbed of her mother, and then get some flashbacks that indicate the tension possible abuse going on there another through line that is added in this film. And then I would say I watched the original spuria couple of weeks ago now, but I don't recall that there was turmoil. Among the witches something of a power struggle disagreements, especially when it comes. To how they should handle Susie in particular. So as I said, there are other things that are added here. I'm wondering if any of this added something to you for the experience of suspicious, what here was was worthwhile or proved fruitful or maybe answered the question of why would Guana Nino want to make this? Now, what did he want to do with any answers in some of those elements? Well, I did not listen to the orders of our esteemed producer saying van Haugen, the one who back in two thousand five when we talked about the original spuria as part of our horror movie marathon, he derided the film as basically written by twelve or thirteen year old. He hated the spirit of fan. And I don't remember where it fell in the marathon. But actually at the time of its review, it was my favorite movie in the marathon. We were both seeing it for the first time. That's why we use those marathons, and I was a little bit wishy washy and some of these details, I was recognizing all of these new aspects in the twenty eighteen version what seemed like. New aspects to me, but couldn't be completely sure as I haven't seen the Argenta suspicious since two thousand five and it sounds like my recollection was correct like so many horror films that original superior may have had real world issues and executives on its mind. But if it did they were predominantly allegorical, it's truly detail of a young American dancer who comes to this academy. And she finds out is actually run by a coven of witches spooky things happen. People die in gruesome, and elaborately staged ways. You get bright colors that pseudo prog rock score. That's the spirit here. We've got the young American dancer. We've got the coven of witches, and we definitely have some gruesome deaths. I'm not sure that we get the elaborately staged ones. And maybe we can talk about that the real world anxieties are all made literal, and you touched on a lot of them Berlin. As a character. This divided city is such a major aspect of this film in. In a way. I don't remember from the original politically and geographically obviously with the wall biter Meinhof and the terrorists crisis that constantly being in the background. You mentioned that Dr Klemperer his history. The way the holocaust actually does come up a few different times. We have this sense of his own personal guilt and shame and the collective national guilt and shame thirty years removed from World War Two being something that is omnipresent and still very much weighing on these characters and this city trauma in general is a major aspect of this film. You mentioned the other one I latched onto Suzy banyans passed, and we get some flashbacks to her childhood and the way she was raised. Another part. Here is the feminist angle you go back to that opening scene, you touched on it. Khloe Grayson rats is this young dancer, basically, Suzy banyan comes in and takes her place. She's going to this doctor Klemperer to get help. She believes that there are which is at the academy. That they are out to get her. And he's just sure that she's completely delusional. He's taking notes he observes. He never actually tries to help her at least in that opening scene and the phrase in my head the whole time was believe women. That's what I wrote down in my notes, and then later in the film much later in the film one character release verbalize. Yeah. Completely but tied to that would did resonate with me this time Josh was this sense of history and survival. I'm not gonna say that I was rooting for the coven of witches or Tilda Swinton's Madame Blanc who is the main instructor there. But I certainly did admire the strength. The resolve of this collective making this quite political subversive art in doing it for thirty years in the implications of that of the art being rooted in a struggle. There's a suggestion that they have been oppressed. Probably as women and they've had to survive through all this turmoil. And they're still standing so the English major. And the littoral st- in me loved having all of these ideas to latch onto I think I'm naturally inclined to want to intellectualize material like this. Or maybe I mean to say I want to believe I spent one hundred fifty two minutes on a movie that actually had some depth to it. But what I can't wait to hear from you. Josh I can't help. But wonder if in elevating the material guate- Nino actually robbed it of most of it's fun is suffocating. Yeah. Well, it's a very very different experience than the original suspend slash, right. A remake. We we don't right. We don't need the same thing. But it's it's not a trip like the other one is it's as gory and a lot of ways I would argue it's scarier. I think in some ways for me than the original spuria, but I don't know if it adds up to more, I think if all of those things you just traced had a bit more connective tissue to the fact that these are witches. I would be able to lend them more credence. There is a finale here that is fantastic over the top. It's a trip that part is I think you could say that is a trip. That's true. I think a lot of those through lines. You just mentioned I'll have to do some are thinking this is where I'm frustrated by immediately after the screening review because in the experience of watching it. I was having a hard time connecting those lines. It was only when for example, that one character litter allies it by making the comment about you should believe women when they tell you something and even references his pass in a way that makes you realize. Okay. So I guess I kind of see how this connects. But it still doesn't really all of that could have happened without them being witches. If that makes any sense the feminists angle is interesting because there's that line. There is the early scenes where he is not believing khloe, grace smarts. And. And then the other moment that jumped out at me as cleverly feminist was when the police inspectors come to find out what might be going on here and the witches cast a spell on them. Bring them to a back room has one of them pulled down his pants, and they're laughing at him. That was that was the moment where I realized there's hardly any men in this movie. And that there could be this undercurrent as well. But it doesn't it's interesting. You say you were rooting for the witches because I. Understanding I understand that impulse. Yes. I totally get what you mean. Yeah. But I don't know what they were all about. I never got a sense the Tilda Swinton character is very much about the art and the dance. And but it was almost like in the original film. It's just a front. The dance academy is just a front compla-. Yes. And I think that's what I'm latching onto that's different this time. And that's and that's how I would answer. My question. The one thing that I do think was added here that I do really appreciate is the fact that this movie takes the dance seriously and interweaves it with the fact that they are witches. In other words, the dancing is part of the witchcraft, and these sequences the choreographer here is Damian GLA. They're pretty stunning. I almost wish they weren't edited as frantically as they are. And we could just sit back a lot of times this happens with movie musicals where the dancing can be cut up. Much, and you can't see what's going on. Because this is some pretty stunning stuff, and it starts right away. When Suzie has her audition with Madame block, the Tilda Swinton character. It's very convulsive all of the movement in this film is extremely convulsive in a disturbing powerful. It's not ballet. No, there's a great line that the Swinton's. Character says at one point today, we will break the nose of every beautiful thing. And that is how these dances are designed and performed. So they're creepy and unsettling before they get explicitly. So I did appreciate that. I will there's a production about two thirds of the way through the costume design is fantastic in this the lighting as well. And it's a parallel cut sequence. With a victim. Let's just say that's really Erie. How those two things worked together. And the one thing that did carry me through the climax which just got a little too much for me again because I didn't have anything really to hold onto their except for. As grotesque as it was. There was despite the told us when characters lines some beauty in the formation and the color at work in this really gory climax. So I was able to latch onto that the way the movie took dance seriously incorporated into its story and gave it some meaning and some half. I don't know that it did that with some of those other threads we've been discussing. Yeah. I think it has a lot of threads. And like you at least as we're discussing it having come from it. I'm not sure that they do really add up to a lot. You mentioned that line about breaking the noses is I think it might be in that same speech actually was aligned I wrote down which is. And I'm paraphrasing past the time of dance being beautiful. And cheerful yet. I think that fits with the overall design of this film, the look of this film in stark contrast to the original spuria, which is all those bright colors. This is so muted in so drab the streets of Berlin. And it really does make sense where all of this inner turmoil and this anxiety, and this violence all seems to be coming out of this time of turmoil and even kind of within the streets of sense of degradation. So there isn't much beauty. And there certainly isn't really any cheer or cheerfulness. Even though I think you can find beauty in some of those performances just in terms of its strength and its power. And did you catch the name of that dance the one they're performing their saying, it's the last time they're ever going to perform it that they did it originally nineteen forty eight again the sense of history. This sense of these which is always being there and being sort of a foundation, even through all this turmoil. Well, it's Volk which is folk, of course, it means people, and I think that ties back to this idea of the collective national guilt and shame and the violence of some of those movements and the way that we see red. So prominent there which obviously to me suggests blood and bloodshed it gives me the idea anyway that they are commenting on the way a lot of Germans, perhaps even like, Dr Clumber who becomes really a main character in this film did stand by and let all of this horror happen. And as I talk about it. I think about the fact that yes, he starts out the film, not believing the girl, and he assumes that she's delusional. And by the time, we see him much later in the film. That's not the case at all. Actually, he's probably gotten way more involved than he has any sense to be. But I think again ties back to this acknowledgment on his part that in his past. He was perhaps too passive and let some things unfold that. Maybe he should have stood up for and I am suggesting in his own personal life as the movie suggests that, but also maybe again tied to these larger horrific acts of the Nazis, we did talk about the feminist angle here. And it's something it seems like both of us responded to at least a little bit. And yet one of the things that seems different to me from the original film. And I'm not sure for the better is the way Dakota Johnson Suzy banyan becomes almost a peripheral character in this film. I like intellectually decision they made with her character in terms of how much she may really know about what's going on here. That's something that we could talk about if we were really getting into spoilers. But nevertheless, Dr Klemperer becomes such a main character as Sarah, another dancer, who's her best friend becomes such a main character. I really felt like she was on the outside. And what I mean is I didn't see her making any active choices, maybe until the very end of the film the way I. I saw all these other characters making choices. Yeah. And we'd probably have to get into spoilers to discuss that too much just to jump back quickly. Sarah, who you mentioned played by me, Gotha. Great performance. And he's trying to one of those people in the cash is trying to identify. What are we here? I saw her in a cure for wellness. And I know she's done other stuff as well. But that's what I was thinking of really strong performance here. Possibly better than to coda Johnson for me. Maybe because of what you're talking about that, it's you can't really say she gets sidelined because she plays a central part does feel a little bit that way. Here's maybe the issue. And the problem is and it's related to what you're saying. What's the general narrative drama here? Like what what are we supposed to be what tension are we supposed to be focused on? Is it Klemperer is it Suzy and the decisions that she may. Or may not be making is it? Madam blank and her role among these witches. Yes. Yes. Correct. And it would be difficult for a movie to sustain all those in a compelling way. And it makes it's it's fractured in a way that I don't think is entirely successful. And they don't all come together at the end in a way that satisfying either I keep coming back to this. And I do think it's interesting timing. That's the only way I can describe it that here we are in two thousand eighteen and gluttony no is making a movie that's a remake of a movie from the seventies set in the seventies. That is so focused on the holocaust to me. Maybe I'm just going for the most obvious reading here. But those three character arcs, you just talked about there the ark of characters going from a state of denial to knowledge, and I think that denial is meant to tie back to all. All of those people who stood there and drink tea as the trains were taking the Jews out of town to these camps. That's that collective sense of denial, and we get it in three different ways here with the doctor with Sarah who all say this isn't happening. This isn't real. But then when they're faced with it when they finally confront the horror of it. They then act they can't do anything. But acting I think even this is where we will not get into it because it truly would be spoilers. But I think you can even see that to an extent with Tilda Swinton's character to scare she really becomes someone who and I'm dancing around here. But she becomes someone who rather than accepting a certain way things are supposed to be this is the destiny of this. She in a moment decides to reject that. And I see it I guess is tying back to those other ones in the sense of it becoming much more active and not passive. She becomes a participant in this as opposed to the one who. I was just doing the bidding of someone else that gets into. There's almost like a good witch bad witch divide that starts to develop and I'm not sure that's entirely consistent either. Especially with the epilogue we get, and I would also say that Susie to me is is not a character that comes into any awareness. She's she's almost no I can't see how she fits into that. Right. But I think her character is not that interesting because she's essentially dancing here. Coming into fruition. Does anything no pun intended sorrow? You're right. You don't like it. It's almost like when we in retrospect, when we fully understand, those flashbacks, there's really not as much interesting stuff going on as maybe we thought Tigra, and maybe that's partly an or maybe that's partly our problem that we came in not expecting this movie to be just like the originals hysteria but expecting that we were really going to follow the main character and RAI predicament and the ordeal she's going through we would be going through it with her. And that's really not the case here. She's aware of things that we only become aware. Yes. By the end of the film. Yeah. That reminds me one thing I did want to mention as being very effective were the dream sequences that man surreal creepy quickly edited montages, and we're told fairly early on that these are dreams the which is inflicted upon the students almost nightly and Susia specially get some particularly horrific ones. I think this is why it feels scarier to me those were really upsetting. And especially when you learn. Okay. If they're being their dreams being visited upon her. We can't trust what she's not necessarily remembering things things, right? Yeah. You're right. These are things they're almost messing with her memory. And that's creepy filmmaking going on there. I agree. Now. One of the things I mentioned is that we do get a fair number of death scenes here. There's not a ton of them. But the. That we do get our gruesome I said, they may be weren't that artful. And I guess as I reflect back on our Gento film that was one of the things I actually did really appreciate was the aesthetic value of those scenes because I certainly don't love the gore of it. But there is a certain precision to them. There's a sense of humor to them, even and that is not here in any of these scenes, we are really just watching these characters suffered that was my sense. Now, there are ways to argue with that because there is some cross cutting, and it's not just a matter of literally watching someone suffer. But that was what I took away from it as opposed to really buying into the suspense of it in the original spuria the way those scenes played out so slowly sometimes and he really built up the terror here. I never felt that with these scenes I really felt like I was being bludgeoned the way the characters were being bludgeoned. You know, I felt like the original spirit had a streak of sadism to it. And. And I just think the opposite. Yeah. Yeah. That's an and it's almost like humor, you know, horror can be equally subjective. I think especially of the the scene where the character falls into the room of barbed wire. And and you're right like maybe humor is part of the intention there because it does go on forever. But it it felt a little sadistic to me here. I found it troubling in a way that was more honest, isn't isn't necessarily the right phrase, but it was tied into the the dancing and the physicality of that I think the versed gruesome death. We see is a strange possession sequence. Where Susie is she's passed her audition at this point. But she's performing in a rehearsal and the movement. She makes because of the witches machinations have are being visited upon another student who's in another rehearsal sneeze violently visit upon her. So that, you know, a jerk one way, we'll essentially break her bones. It. On a long time. Yeah. So I think maybe that I started watching through my thing. Yeah. That's part of what you were feeling. I kind of the point, but it was really disturbing. And I think part part of it also is that it was playing with the idea of power and how this is happening. It wasn't just the physical effect. I do think the originals aspera is a bit of a gore fest in that it gets to a point where it's all about this actual bloody effect that they have staged the opening with the Jaguars of glass coming down. And it's all about how does that look? Right. And there's a giddiness. That's that was enough for me with that spirit. And that's exactly the opposite of this. That's what definitely wasn't enough for guate- Nino. No, I think there's more going on here, and at least in that scene. It's more interesting now again to get to that climax. It started to get to be a little bit more for me of the let show off how gruesome and grotesque we can get that was kind of a long slog for me. I the whole time Joshua's just thinking about how much fun actually that would have been to shoot and how much of a nightmare. It would have been to shoot. But just imagining how many weeks they must have spent just on that finale. Maybe the the only obviously funny part is that the few scenes later, we get a quick cleanup shot. That's the first time where you actually get a joke in this. I thought so I felt like that it has to be deliberate. Because there's no way you can't laugh at it. It's so absurd. And that was the first one I noticed anyway suspicious opened in New York and LA last weekend. I think I think it's just on a couple screens. And then it's expanding to two hundred and fifty screens around the country, including right here in Chicago this weekend. If you get a chance to see it and agree or disagree with our takes though, I don't know. How you could agree or disagree with us. Anything walked the fence with this aspera? You can Email us feedback at film spotting dot net. November's here, Adam which means a word movies are here, which means bio-pics are here with bohemian rhapsody on our minds in which Ramey. Malik plays. Freddie. Mercury. We asked listeners to name their favorite music bio-pic performance of the last twenty years. We did that in the film spotting poll results are next along with our top five uses of color in the movies. Stay with us. No one is on the radio we need to. Experiments. Do you want? There's only room in this. Ben for one hysterical Queen. Raining Malik as Freddie Mercury there in the trailer for the new Queen bio-pic bohemian rhapsody. It opens this weekend. Now, I have not read any of the reviews, Josh, but according to our producer Sam, they are not very good. It doesn't get us. Too excited about seeing this movie and talking about it though. I know a lot of people just in my life in non film circles who are very eager to see what Raymond Malik does. With freddie. Mercury. And seeing those great Queen tunes play out on the big screen. Now. It says here in my notes, I didn't write this. You didn't write this that? Yes. Of course, this movie, I'm gonna watch eventually, but might be better to wait for some lazy Sunday afternoon when it's playing on cable possible. Yeah. Bohemian rhapsody at this point seems like it might be best suited for that. Experience versus us taking it very seriously and talking about it for twenty or thirty minutes, but we don't have a lot in the. Of other options, and to be honest with you, I don't even want to say this out loud. You can do it. I don't want to say it out loud. Because then I know it's going to make it the reality. I know listeners are going to want us to do this instead or other Elgin. I know Sam wants us to do it. Instead. And I just think this is evidence I need to get this on the record. It's Halloween week. Forget Jason forget FREDDY, Kruger forget Mike Myers. The biggest killer in the world right now you same van Haugen who says who says though hime rhapsody sounds kinda lame. I've got a much better idea. Oh, why don't you guys wrestle? He Liz this just wrestle with Orson Welles last film, the other side of the wind and you'll probably wanna watch the documentary on Netflix that accompanies it director Morgan Neville. Oh. And then just just for kicks. Why don't you guys do a sacred cow review of citizen? Kane I said, I wasn't going to say it. I just said it and he brought this up like a week before when we'd be recording. This exactly so don't give us a lot of time. To prepare to dig into this to think about some of these films that aren't Baheen rhapsody. Right. It's more intriguing to me. I think I already told you this. But it's so much more worth so much more where the clock is ticking. Yes, I we need a third easier option. I think I would rather watch a movie about people singing about bicycles and needing somebody to love. We'll see we will see. And I suppose we might hear from a few of our listeners with their thoughts on whether or not we should go down the wells route or stick with Baheen rhapsody. Maybe there's a third option. Josh, we haven't even considered you can Email us feedback films spotting dot net or leave us a voicemail. Three one two two six four zero seven four four police. Save us lease over at phone spotting dot net. You can very often fine advance screening passes, sometimes run of engagement passes to movies that are playing here in the Chicago area. And right now. We have passes to screening of a private war. And also boy erase those are the week of November fifth. I think the fifth and the six you can go to film spotting dot net slash events to get more information and to enter to win passes to both of those movies. See it before they hit theaters. We also Josh did have the release of our fifth edition of the film spotting newsletter. Still publishing yet your turn in the QNA hotseat. Yeah. It was it was rough. It was kind of an intense question. Just what was what is the filmmaker who has most challenged how you view movies. Yes. Jeff Milo does that. Mission over the great question. Now, I don't know if you noticed this or not, but the week before it was the film spotting QA ask Adam. That's right and Sam sent over the questions he sent three questions. One of the questions was from Jeff Milo in Ferndale. Michigan. I just go author. No, it was which filmmaker most challenged you. It was that question, and I just chose to ignore it because it seemed to heart you passed it on timing onto you, and you fell for it. And you took you know, that was an option who do I I pass onto Sam. So you didn't notice and I just screwed it up by letting the cat out. I'm going to do that next time. You had a very good answer though. Josh. And I encourage anyone out there. If you're not currently subscribed to the phone spotting newsletter to get it. You can go to phone spotting dot net or click on our episodes page there the link is right at the top of our website, and you can see the past editions of the newsletter. We also have on that events fade. I mentioned earlier there's information about your Austin meet up. I'm still mad. I'm still really mad that you're getting to Austin before me, and you're going to hang out with them spotting listeners, and I'm not going to be there. But I can't do anything about it. So have fun. Josh. I think it's going to be a good group already. Heard from a bunch of people. And yeah, if it's might be a little late for a lot of folks. But if you happen to be downloading this right away when we posted it and you live around Austin, we are going to meet Saturday, November three seven thirty PM at craft pride. So all of that will be on our events page. If you want to get those details, and I hope to see somebody. There were rivaling the Seattle numbers. It's getting close at this could prepare yourself could be a big Bill. Big bill. Did you set up an RSVP page for this one too? So you have a sense of who's coming or is it all just via social media. Yeah. We've got that on there too. So check out the events page and find a way to ours VP. They're a quick look back at last week show. We did review pretty much everything that was out new movies new ish movies on Netflix. We talked about Jeremy sonya's hold the dark and tamra Jenkins private life. We also got Josh on Marielle Heller, can you ever forgive me? And another one on Netflix right now. Nicole hall of centers the land of steady habits. I shared a few thoughts on Frederick Weisman's Monrovia, Indiana that opens here in Chicago. Elsewhere this weekend. I do recommend it and just to digress. For one. Second is we talk about these movies on Netflix that we reviewed on our last episode. We only got one complaint Email from a listener and their complaint was I don't like that flex. So I listen to the show, and it was interesting because salmon I talked about how to name that episode. And we thought it kind of made sense to frame it the two main movies. We talked about were new on Netflix. So someone looking at that who does have Netflix might say, oh, they're not just talking about two random movies. They're talking about two movies that I can see right now striking and there was three if I have a subscription and there was a third the hall of center, but we didn't pick those movies because we cared about the platform. They were on we need them because they're on Netflix. We chose the two movies because we actually thought they were the two most interesting films to talk about that week in a lot of ways if we'd never put new on Netflix in the title that same listener would listen to that show, and it wouldn't have been any different than us talking about some movie that's only playing in Chicago or New York. And that you can't get too. And yet a lot of people still listen to those conversations I'm bringing this up just because I am kind of curious I've been thinking about setting up a little survey over film spotting dot net. Maybe I'll do this in the newsletter. I'd be curious to know just for our own internal reasons not for any advertising reasons. How many of our listeners do subscribe to Netflix? We do future shows like that is that a good idea. We wouldn't do them often. But if we were does that Netflix angle, actually, hold some weight for the majority of listeners or are there quite a few out there that don't have them or don't like net flicks. And it doesn't do anything for them. Well, it's an interesting question too. Because would you ever disregard a filmmaker whose career you're interested in you've been following? Because of where their film was available. I mean, as you say we were very much driven by Sony, and I've been a fan of timber Jenkins. Previous work and hall of center, we both like a lot. So. Those were the driving factors. I just can't imagine saying, well, I may not have this platform or disagree for some reason with this platforms. I'm gonna disregard those filmmakers. I don't think we'll ever get to that point. No. And again, we only got one complaint. But it was interesting for me to think about how many people we were serving. I guess with that episode that maybe something that we do ask for a little bit more feedback on in an upcoming newsletter last week. We also played massacre theater. That's where we perform a scene from a well-known film. And you get a chance to win a film spotting shirt, if you haven't gotten around to listening to that last addition of massacre theater it contain one of my favorite moments in the history of massacre theater from you Josh Larsen. Here's what you missed. What about your agent? You hear anything out? No more. Do you think is going on? It'd be anything you've been checking your messages obsessively. Are you talking about when I when I broke character? Yeah. Sam is allowing that to function as yet another. If you haven't heard it, you will have to go back and listen to that episode and that edition of massacre theater because that was hilarious as evidenced by the fact that I laughed through the rest of eyebrows, Carrboro character and breaking character. That's true. You stayed in character throughout you, just added some dialogue, but you stayed in. Now, you did with your voice work throw a lot of people off. I'm hearing. Yeah. We're going to give another hint here if you haven't already entered or if you entered and entered with the wrong answer because a lot of people. And now, I see it as soon as they started coming in in they'd sense to me that they thought your take on that Californians accent. There was actually a lot like nNcholas cage. So we got a lot of adaptation entry nNcholas cage, specifically inadaptation. Yeah. Okay. I can see that. I think it's because it was about the reference to the book publishing. Yeah. Yeah. Especially Donald I think there might be a little bit of Donald in there. I wasn't thinking of that. But I know what they mean. And Donald Kaufman is not the character. Josh was playing. If you know what film we massacred emailed, the movie's title, along with your name and location to feedback at film spotting dot net. You have a little bit of time. The deadline is Monday, November fifth. I think you might have screwed up here. We've got Lyle playing in D And the rest of us are in a major. How does that work to baselines into different keys? Ahead. Distraction. This. Time for the film spotting poll starting with the results of our last full question. You just heard Paul dano as Brian Wilson in two thousand fifteen love and mercy dano much to the chagrin of many listeners. It seems not one of the options. We gave you when we asked this question inspired by the new Queen bio pic, what is the best music. Bio-pic performance of the past twenty years. We gave you these options Cate Blanchett as Bob Dylan. And I'm not there Marian cotija are is Edith Piaf in LA Veon rose John cusak as Brian Wilson. The older Brian Wilson in love and mercy Jamie Foxx as Ray Charles. And Ray Ethan Hawke as Chet Baker in born to be blue Jason Mitchell as easy in straight outta Compton. Or Joaquin Phoenix as Johnny cash in walk the line. If you didn't like any of those options, maybe you wanted to write in and tell us who we overlooked from the same movie, you could've voted other. Josh how did it come out? Jason Mitchell's easy is in last place with four percent of the vote then came. And hawks Chet Baker. He received six percent of the vote the other option got seven percent of the vote and then John Cusack. Brian Wilson at eight percent a little bit of a jump here where we get to Jamie Foxx. As Ray Charles with fifteen percent of the vote Marion Cotillard Edith Piaf sixteen percent Cate Blanchett's Bob Dylan seventeen percent jumping ahead in first place walking Phoenix's, Johnny cash. Twenty six percent of the vote. Aaron Bergstrom asks why is John cusak on here? But not Paul dano. He'd be my pick for the best of the past twenty years. The scene of him working out, the many sound effects and layers of music on pet. Sounds is as close to a glimpse inside the mind of a musical genius at work as cinema has ever been able to conjure. I do love that scene. I liked that movie. I love that scene. One that I think was an honorable mention for me when we did our top five classic rock scenes in movies list, agreeing with Aaron is Chris Massa from Pittsburgh. I'm going with cusak. I'm not sure if it's the best on this list, and I agree with all the praise for Paul dano. But it's the one I was the most surprised by that. Cusak. Look nothing like Brian Wilson. But he's never struck me as the most versatile or a chameleon ick actor the fact that he disappeared into the role was a pleasant surprise for me. And it was a movie and a performance that I genuinely loved so. Yeah. For better or worse. Cues academia's. Lisa Nelson writes in with both love and mercy and walk the line. It's hard to pick one actor in each film over the other cast members dano and to a lesser extent. Elizabeth banks are just as great if not better than cusak. While Reese Witherspoon is an equal part of what makes walk the line such a moving bio-pic in many ways, we're watching the story of the rise and fall and the rise again of Johnny and Brian through June's melinda's is great point in both love and mercy and walk the line. The story is all that more compelling for the performances of the female leads and Paul dano is so heartbreakingly a motive in real as the young Brian Wilson that we become all the more deeply invested in needing to see him escape, his immobilizing, depression, j Spencer has a suggestion here if Cusack winds will he give half the prize money to Paul dano. I mean, come on fair enough j I do have to throw in here. Real quick. I don't know if you're aware of this. But I am planning in the next three or four months to be out in New York City. And I am one hundred percent determined to make happen seeing a little play. You may have heard of called true west by Sam Sheppard being performed by Paul dano with a contestant in this poll question. Ethan hawke? Whoa. Take that Austin. We had such a great conversation. I am just sure Hilali event stage. He's going to reach out, and he's gonna or maybe you'll just see me there in the crowd, and he'll invite me back, and we'll hang I know that's going to happen along with Patty. Exactly, maybe try to reach Ethan through. We'll see if Patty Clarkson shows of as well that brings us to our new poll question looking ahead. Several weeks to bury Jenkins if Beale street could talk that's going to open in limited release on November thirty it's the follow up to Jenkins Oscar-winning moonlight. So we've been thinking about how other directors followed up their best picture wins. That led us to this question. What is the best follow up to a best picture win? And we're going to clarify this and say since nineteen seventy. Yeah, we just kind of arbitrarily chose nineteen seventy. So Josh the options the exorcist, which was William freed follow up to the French connection the conversation Coppola follow up to the godfather broadcast news is what James L Brooks made after terms of endearment and the talented Mr. Ripley that was from Anthony men gala who had just made The English Patient zero dark thirty km from Kathryn Bigelow after the hurt locker and Alejandro Gonzalez in Yari. Ari twos. Birdman after he made that he went on to make the great the revenue. Yeah, we'll give you the other option as well. We will. Let's talk about Francis. Ford Coppola though for just a second nineteen seventy-two. He makes the godfather wins best picture and seventy three in April seventy four he makes the conversation. It's nominated for best picture in seventy five December seventy four. So just what eight months after the conversation. He makes a little movie called the godfather part two and that wins best picture in seventy five. So it was competing against his own film. The conversation in nineteen seventy five seventy four was such a good year and then in seventy eight he made Apocalypse Now. So the conversation is chronologically the follow up to the godfather and were intentionally leaving out Apocalypse Now because we figured it would dominate the bull. I don't know if that's true or not. But it seems like a likely candidate. It's also in the film spotting pantheon. So we are excluding it. Now, not just from the top five but poll questions to oh for this week. This is this is just a rule for this week, more arbitrary. Decision scores mainly from our producers, salmon, he's the producer. He can do what he wants. So Josh, you know, which one I'm not voting for because there's only one movie from that list that I'm not a fan of. Yeah. And you're not gonna want to hear the movie I am voting for while. I can tell you because you're not voting for the Reverend. I will be really. Oh, yeah. That's funny. Because then I'm voting for the one that is the well as well as finisher for you vote for you're going to go exorcists. All right. What a one two hundred French connection and the exorcist come on those are all good movies except for the remnant. Those are all good movies. I enjoy them. But yeah, the exorcist is a follow up to the French connection. What a one two punch we want to know what you think you can vote now film spotting dot net. We'll go ahead and give you some other options. If you don't wanna do the digging on your own Woody, Allen's interiors, not one of his better films. Probably but a good movie and his follow up, Danny hall. Clint Eastwood followed unforgiven with a perfect world Jonathan Demme's. Philadelphia came right after silence. The lands and the Cohn brothers did make burn after reading right after making no country for old men, and we did kind of decide less arbitrarily the Cohn brothers have been banned from all poll questions because they do truly seem to dominate. I don't know if burn after reading would have been the movie that gave them yet another victory in the film spotting pool, but it has its admirers. But definitely this might be the one that they don't win. Again, you can vote now at foam spotting dot net. If you leave a comment, and we hope you do please let us know where you're listening from Ari question for you, Adam what is your favorite color? I mean, that's kind of a personal question. Come on give it up blue, boring blue. All right. I'm gonna expect a lot of blue in this week's film spotting top five uses of color in the movies. That's next stay with us. When you shop close. I think if you want that Kelly show. Is Dan Lewis through reams obscene rounds to and there's slightest excuse. Oh, shot truce. That deal says black and rust. Has. No, no. The woman off to tell her if she's gotta think. Wanted to sneak in a quick donation and thank you segment here starting with Aaron Crabtree in Washington DC who sent some of his hard earned dollars our way in support of the show. He also made a golden brick recommendation. Hey, guys, I wanted to recommend a prayer before dawn from eight twenty four and director oboe Zhol Stefan Soviet as golden brick candidate. Hopefully that right. I watched this a little while back and was really blown away by the cinematography and sound design. Stellar Joe Cole who also stars in green room was fantastic. I had such a visceral experience with the film, and it just seems to flown under the radar with everyone. As always thank you for putting on such a great show. Thank you Erin for that recommendation. We appreciate it. And of course, for the donation now, Josh we also got a silver club donation from Deborah in Austin, Deborah Joyner. I believe is who we heard from itchy currently on your GP later. I think Deborah might be coming out along with husband is she buying their drinks in advance. I don't know. I mean that'll. Cover that'll cover personnel. Thank you, Deborah for that. And finally, a gold level donation comes to us from Mary McElroy. She's in my old stomping grounds Iowa City. She sent us. A check in the mail came to our PO box and a nice handwritten letter. It says here's my payment for a year of solid movie entertainment. You've made me rekindle an early love films that I had forgotten about during work years and child rearing years at cetera. Thanks for my new old passion Mary in Iowa City. She adds PS. Are you going to review the wife? It's definitely worth seeing. We have gotten a screener life Glenn Close in that. I feel like I hadn't even heard of it somehow until I got that screener. But then I looked it up, and I really do want to see it. Yeah. And probably one that's going to come up around acting honors discussions at the end of the year. So I think we'll get to that. At some point. I think we will think you marry. Thank you, Deborah. And thank you, Erin along with everyone else who is a monthly donor to the show. You really do. Keep us doing. What we're doing? Beating we're not in Kansas City. We must be open. The rain Dorothy going technicolor there in the wizard of Oz. We're not in Kansas anymore. And there was a vase is not in this week's film, spotting top five uses of color in movies wizard of Oz is in the film, spotting pantheon. That means it's excluded from top five consideration. Josh they're actually a lot of titles that definitely could qualify for this list that we've excluded blue velvet do the right thing. Some colors are coming to mind. Right. As sure he's two thousand one the red shoes right there in the title, Royal Tenenbaums and vertigo with that eerie green is what I think of right away. Absolutely. And I think even Steven Soderbergh's out of sight is a movie that could come up certainly well used in some key sequences, the big one, I think that is tough to leave off vertigo. I mean goes the number one answer to this question. Right. I mean, I hate to be boring and go with conventional wisdom, but vertigo is the best use of color in cinema. It would. Probably be on my top five for sure if I was able to pick it there were so many good options. Someone on Twitter mentioned that really these should be all technicolor films, and you could go that route or you just technical or you could have gone either aside. So this was really difficult, and I did that's how I win things down. I just asked myself. I looked at all the titles that people suggested the ones that came to mind and just said, what are the five that without a doubt? If someone just walked up to me and said that title before anything else, I thought of color, and and that's that was like my bottom line criteria, and it really helped thought of a single color single interesting. I didn't go that route. I thought of it just in terms of the color being the dominant aspect of or one dollars. In terms of not the acting. Not the storyline not other camera movements or choices or editing really just use of color. Yeah. I was a little more single-minded by like it. All right. Let's hear your number five Lola Montas from nineteen fifty five. And so, yeah, what is that color for Lola Montas? This is max oh foles final film in his first in color, actually for me. It's a bruised purplish blue sort of like a blueberry that's being squeezed between your fingers this. You is reserved for the framing sequences at a circus where the title character this notorious nineteenth century cortisone played by Martine Carol serves as the strange main act. She's brought out in lavish decorum before the crowd and they're in trance by her. But they also kind of disrespect and even jeer at her, and the movie itself is filled out by flashback scenes that detail the public affairs that have made her so famous. So those circa scenes I mean, yeah. A little Montas doesn't just use one color at all right there really wild in the almost technicolor elements. You get there the maestro of the circus sports. This this bright green wig. And even eyebrows. The ring itself is bathed in a pulsating red. But what does linger for me is that wounded blue? And it's pretty much reserved for Lola when she comes into the show, and that's appropriate because Lola could be seen. I think we might have talked about this when we reviewed the film, Adam as part of our max offals marathons she could be seen as representing the universal actress. Okay. A woman who's leered at by an audience and also judged by the audience, and there's even a moment in the film where Lola says I'm not a machine for scandal. But those blue-tinged sequences at the circus suggests that she's been reduced to that. We did this marathon in two thousand thirteen and while Lola Montas, I think is we'd both agree. Definitely. Worth seeing for me. It's not entirely Representative of Ovalles' black and white work. I think maybe the movie I'd point you to is Iran's of Madame de as the one you don't wanna miss from his films, but for this list and for the use of color in those circus scenes Lola was a perfect fit. Yeah. It's a great film and the culmination of that marathon and the culmination of his work in a lot of ways though, you're right. It stands out because of its use of color, in fact, if I remember right, it was Eastman color, which is a particular type of color, film, and processing that eventually did replace technicolor some of the movies here as I glance real quick at a list that were also shot with these been color two thousand one a clockwork orange into movies that I'm positive are going to come up later one on your list and one on mine. So I'm going to be there. My number five is maybe a little bit of an odd choice because I don't think of it certainly as a beloved film. It's not even a beloved film by me. But honestly when you throughout this top five, it's the firm. Movie that popped in my head. And I couldn't think of only one color to associate with it because it is multicolored in almost every scene, and that's really the wonder of the fall a movie that came out in two thousand six from director Tarsem he also made the cell and it's set in LA in the nineteen twenties. And we have an immigrant girl who's in the hospital recovering from an accident. And she's with Lee pace who plays a Hollywood stuntman. If I remember, right. And he is badly injured they develop relationship, and he has an agenda. He's telling her a story in order to try and get some things from her. And one of the things I was reminded of in reading up about this movie because it has been since two thousand six since I've seen it. It's his story. He's telling her this elaborate tale to kind of string her along. But it's in her imagination. It's not his version of the story. She misunderstands him initially when he mentions a character whose Indian. He means Indian like native Americans and she thinks the country India. So everything we see plays out from that childlike sense of imagination. And even before we get to that tale. It's pretty striking in its use of color in the hospital. It's got these cream and green walls, and a lot of blacks are mixed in with that a lot of shadows do suggest that they're mysteries in this hospital that are waiting to be unlocked. Then when we do get into the fantasy part. It reminds me a little bit of Lawrence of Arabia, but on steroids, the piercing blue sky desert sand so yellow in vivid that it almost burns your eyes, and then even the characters themselves and the costume, which is such a key part of it had just about lighting right is not about lighting, only or location only. It is so much about the costuming, and we have character who is an Indian character. An ex slave Charles Darwin and explosives expert, and then the mass bandit who is Lee PACE's character. There's kind of a wizard of Oz thing going on in his movie where he's. Making characters from their lives character, she knows and he's inserting them into these stories, but they're costumes are so dramatically colored one in a very bright yellow one in red one in green and then the mass bandit in black and gold. I did find a quote from the director Tarsem about why he so drawn to these colors, and he said Indians love colors that's his explanation, especially the poorer you are the more red and yellow you put in and let's just say I come from a poor background and leave it there. So of course, I can't validate that, but that's his explanation for why he so drawn especially to those reds and yellows the movie is really well known beyond its use of color for its lack of CGI. There's no real special effects in it. They're real locations and real stunts. And I think that's where this sense of the natural and the unnatural the fantasy and the every day collide in Tarsus work. We get a scene, for example, where they're out in the desert and other than the brightness in the vividness. The colors. It seems like what we would expect from a desert, except then they'll come across a tree that's a blaze, and we get that orangish Hugh coming up out of that. Or the monolith almost they come across. I don't remember the exact particulars of the scene, but it's like a sale or a large white sheet that they come across in its splattered in blood. It seems like a Jackson Pollock painting is all of a sudden been dropped right into the middle of this desert. I do think that the movie is about those moments of spectacle as much as the close ups of some of these characters faces where color is such an important part in terms of the costuming and the makeup, and the background what we see of it, depending on the depth of focus in the shot, but I could pick out seven to seventeen different shots of characters faces that are incredible uses of color beyond the ones like the tree and the white sheet splattered in blood or other scenes that have forty or fifty characters and it, but I think color is why you watch the. The fall. It's the reason why it's worth seeing this movie. Even though there are elements of the story. I definitely appreciate and performances. I do enjoy. That's the reason to see it. Yeah. I really liked this. When it first came out and cheer point to just looking by reviewers, you were talking to your point about the locations. Eighteen countries is where they went to film this thing. So there's a real array of actual places that you can feel you're absolutely right. You feel that and and the color that's brought into those places. And yeah, it's there is story here. Yeah. You know? I mean, we could use a list like this to highlight films that maybe that's all they have to offer is a striking use of color. But the fall is more than that too. I I agree stress. So really good film. All right. Number four for me. It's going to be a cheat. Here. I've got a pair for you. But I think it's going to be allowed because this will give a twist to my obligatory. Wes Anderson pick we'll see it's the grand Budapest hotel. Okay. And paddington. Two now. Either of those movies. I immediately think pink. Okay. Yeah. In grand Budapest. Of course, it's the hotel itself. This layer cake of an office and appropriately the other extensive use of pink in that film as the packaging for Mendel bakery, Paddington to which I would say like its predecessor leans, very heavily on the west Anderson, aesthetic applies that same type of pink to the uniforms that are worn by the inmates at the prison where Paddington is mistakenly sent so these uniforms when we first see the prisoners and Paddington I goes there there traditional black and white actually they look almost exactly like the ones worn by refines in the grand Budapest hotel. But then Paddington throws a red sock in with the wash, and he turns everyone's uniforms pink. I also did want to include these films as a pair because I think they're using pink to do something similar essentially, bringing some decorum, some softness some gentleness into situations and places think jail. L or think wartime that are in desperate need of such things. So my cheat pick grand Budapest hotel and Paddington to definitely allow it especially as Paddington twos. A better film my on. Now, you why would you double doubt that one? I mean, I believe it. My number four, actually, I think is a nice companion to both of those films. Josh. And I think that this color is so important to this film, and it's not a color that you associate with very many films. I think that I can just throw it this color, and you're gonna know it. I did not share this with you in advance. All right. But that's how crucial this color is to the movie purple. I'm thinking Batman and the joker now. That's a good choice. I'll give you a hint much more recent much more recent purple purple. It's not the color purple. Okay. You're ruining my fear. Sorry. I hope they're listeners out there yelling. I'm sure are yeller. There are at their desk. Okay. Purple purple Florida project. It's lavender, Adam. Okay, purple if you had said, lavender, I wonder about all over it. I can't argue with that. You're absolutely right. I see things too plainly to simply I don't see the nuance in the color. Josh I'm going with the Florida project. The Sean Baker film because I love the film. And I know you love it too. I did want another recent film on this list. We're going to get to my top three here. They're going to be older. And I to one more recent than two thousand six the fall because I do think there are a handful of filmmakers who we are both really high on right now who are consistently doing great things with color, and I wonder if you thought about who those directors are who really do value color and their work right now, I'll save the names here for a little bit later. But one of them is absolutely Sean Baker tinge. Wouldn't be another example this film, the Florida project very different in its use of color. I also wanted choice that represented a very thoughtful artistic approach to color, but that was far more subtle way more subtle than the fall or my top three choices where the use of color is truly. I think always going to be the first thing anyone brings up when they talk about these movies. I don't think the lavender is necessarily the first thing you're going to talk about what the Florida project. And I think what this pick shows is that you don't have to be ostentatious to reflect a really keen. I when I interviewed Sean Baker here on the show. I talked about a comment. I saw in film comment where he had mentioned to the interviewer that he shot on thirty five millimeter because he wanted every frame to be like a photograph. And that made me think about a postcard in this tourist setting of Florida right by DisneyWorld. But we're staying at the magic castle that's next to DisneyWorld the sense that people go there for these incredible. Transcendent experiences, and they grabbed that photograph like a movie frame, and they send it back home to show people the incredible experience and the time that they're having. But just by being framed that way, you're removing all the context from the frame, and you're just showing that thing that you want to highlight in the magic castle where Mooney and her mom, the main characters in this movie live that when framed a certain way like a postcard, it looks beautiful that lavender color, that's on every single wall. Bathed in the Florida sun, it could actually seem magical, and then what you get with the Florida project as a film, it provides the rest of the context outside that fo- scarred. And the magic castle what we see is a place of both fantasy and joy from the perspective of Mooney. And it's a place that's fraught with threats and struggle. And in some cases, struggle born from some really bad choices the characters are making the way the cinematographer Alexis Isabey, I hope I'm saying that right? The way he put it is the aesthetic of the movie is blue. Jerry ice cream with a sour twist. This for me is the closest we're going to get to Wes Anderson being on the list this heavy reliance on pastel colors that lavender that we get here. And actually, I swear to you. I didn't realize this till I went back and looked at the newsletter. But Sam actually pulled the shot I had in mind from the Florida project for an example of a frame that illustrates the use of color. It's the one where Mooney and her friend are looking at the outside in long shot of the magic castle and all that lavender the rainbow overhead and then on top of it. One of them's wearing a light blue t shirt and the other one's wearing a light pink t shirt. So this is one big Easter egg party in this frame. And it's gorgeous even your beloved cigarette shot with Willem Defoe when the manager walks out any lights the cigarette and then the lights turn on their as it's dusk. We get that little orange from the flame and the cigarette. And then that yellow is Hugh of the light that essentially. It's that lavender. I also came across an interview with the person who did the color timing on that film. It's a post production website, and they talked to him. And he mentioned Baker giving him the instructions that he wanted it to always be real it always had to look real but just up a notch. So it's not the fantasy world of the fall. It's going to be always incredibly natural. But look just slightly heightened to represent Moonies perspective. And we definitely get that. So the first line and by written review for the Florida project the kids in the Florida project need more lavender in their lives. So yes, it's it's great film, of course, and easily an honorable mention for me almost squeaked onto my list at number three. Now, usually I don't like to include the movie that inspired a top five list on my top five color. It's for me. It's the defining element of the original suspicious or sure the best thing about it. And I actually. Found color to be the most frightening thing about the original film. You get these. They're almost terrifying. Specter's these glaring reds nauseous screens and ominous blues they really do hunt. The movie in an effective way. Dario are Gento clearly has a favorite among those three colors though. I mean red goes from at first you think it's going to be about Tif, then it quickly becomes a cliche and pretty soon. It's an all out obsession that you just have to get on board with I love even at the opening when this Susie played by Jessica Harper arrives at the airport, the lounge in the airport has this Erie molten glow. And then on the taxi ride through the storm that she takes the brake lights from the other cars, they cast these like stop light slashes across her face. And then of course, when you pull up to the dance academy the entire facade is essentially crimson. So it just goes on from there. I think the standout scene for me. In terms of use of color is that moment also production design, I would say. About midway through the film on the dance. Students have to bunk together on cots in a rehearsal space, and these white sheets are hung up to give them a little bit of privacy. But essentially, they create these bizarre shadow shows from the red lights that are being projected from somewhere. That's what I love about security is that all of these colored lights are constantly projected throughout this academy. And no one questions that right? It's just apparently how it's supposed to be so yeah color. It's a spurious calling card. So I had to put it on this list. Well, you wondered if my favorite color blue would come up in this top five, and it's right there in the title of my number three. No, I'm not going with three colors blue, the Krysztof Kieslowski film, though, I considered all three of those films share in that trilogy. But actually a film from the same year called blue. And it's from director Derek Jarman that I saw back as a film student. It's his twelve film has final film. He was close to dying when he made the film from age. Is related complications. And basically at this point due to these complications. He was going blind and actually could only C N shades of blue. So the entire film. I think it's about an eighty minute film. Seventy eighty minute movie is just a single frame of the color blue projected for the entire running time of the film. And then the rest is a soundscape. It's fascinating as an experiment, not just century. And that it's requiring us as viewers to construct meaning out of the sounds, but in terms of director bringing his vision to an audience. This is what every film ultimately is an artist bringing their imagination their preoccupations their experiences and their memories to the screen, and here Germans doing it in a literal way since he only could see the color blue. And we get kind of to have to the movie one where he really focuses on the significance of the color blue and kind of sees the color blue as its own character. And then we also get ruminations on his life. And his voice in colleagues talking about his life and reckoning with his past and reckoning with his future and losses from his life. It's all seen through that perspective. Oral Deage PG's consumed by the Nivea. So they've tweaked molecule food system. Risk is. And I had to live forty years blind. I might think twice. Treat my own gulls. It was a bright lights. Oh yourselves into my again. And it is interesting to me that it came out the same year as three colors blue nineteen Ninety-three in that case. Blue is meant to stand in for liberty, right 'cause Lasky sent out with that experiment. He said I'm gonna take three colors of the French flag. And I'm gonna make a movie about each one and blue stands for liberty. And we get in that film. Starring Juliet minoshe a character who ultimately has to free herself from an emotional burden. And I know there is not an explicit connection between these two films, Derek Jarman, British filmmaker I'm quite certain was not thinking about the French flag and the notion of liberty. But I couldn't help them make that connection and think about how Jarman is restricted and he's confined by his lack of site and his disease and yet here he is still engaging with the world. And I'm not sure I want to argue that there's liberty in death or impending death though for some people obvious. There is a certain freedom from suffering that death brings but I don't want to imbue death with a hopeful aspect that said there is in death. I suppose a freedom to be even more personal to be even more vulnerable to be even more radical, which is what we see from Jarman here in terms of the lack of direct narrative and using only that single blue image. I googled it to see if anybody had talked about both of those films being obviously so preoccupied with the color blue coming out at the same time, and I didn't see anything except in two thousand five the telegraph did a film series. And I couldn't really entertain exactly what the heart of the series. Was it was about interviews with filmmakers on film, and they gave him a certain choice. They said, basically, we need you to pick a film that does X or means XT you and the writer Sheila, Johnston talks to Christopher Doyle one, car wise longtime ca. Collaborator. And he right away said, my choices blue. And when she said, well, you mean the kids law ski version, he said, of course, not Kozlovsky represents a more intellectual aspect of filmmaking. Derrick jarmin's blue is one of the most intimate films. I've ever seen and when he said to her it's an obvious choice. He argues that art has to be a celebration of life and blue is saying this is all I have blindness walking towards death. But it's not too bad. Derek went well, and we'll all go. Well, if we live with incredible energy and curiosity and graciousness and engagement, and that really is at the core of blue sounds at times, that's one I still need to see. Unfortunately, my number two. Boy, you really narrowed it on one color as we were talking about at the top there. And this is one on my list that actually is just a bunch of colors that come to mind when I think of it. It's the umbrellas of share bore almost left this off as an honorable mention because it did get a lot of attention in our top five movie duets. Recently, I considered it there for my list and Michael Phillips actually put it on his. But I just couldn't stop at this time. I mean, Jacques Demme's nineteen sixty musical. It was inspiration for LaLa land in many ways, including its bold use of color both films do that. And it's not just the umbrellas though, that is what comes to mind right away. That's the pastel array we get over the opening credits that overhead shot where we actually see them coming by in their different colors. It's also the costumes. It's also the walls in the rooms here. It's even the furniture in this movie that bursts with color, and it's something that's carried throughout the film. And this is all a perfect match for the heightened emotions that are at play the story. Once again, it involves two young lovers whose romances interrupted by the war, Catherine Deneuve and Nino castle, no bar the stars. So how wonderful is the use of color here. Maybe this is the best way to describe it for someone who hasn't seen umbrellas of share bar yet. It's a movie musical I be confident recommending that you watch with the sound off. I think you'd still get a lot of enjoyment from it. If you did that. So number two on my list, and now will probably have to go into my penalty box for a little bit. Yeah. Maybe so, but a great choice for sure. And my number two, I think is going to follow that one nicely. Actually, in the sense that I think you could very much watch this Ingmar Bergman film with the sound off as well, the color being a big reason why and I think it ties back to the original spuria and that use of the color red. But also the new spirit in the way, it focuses on more psychological terror and characters faces in the way, they look at each other. We certainly get that in Ingmar, Bergman's cries and whispers, the opening credits set it all up. It's the simple Bergman approach just text on a background except this time. It's a red background with white lettering. And it cuts from those credits to nature, and we're on the grounds of a manor house in the country. Sorry. It's idyllic. It's peaceful. You might even call it identified. And it does end the sequence on a tree a very large tree there in this garden of Eden setting, and then that fades to the whole screen being engulfed in red which Bergman than utilizes as a transition device often in the film, we come out of that read to inside the manor house where we get even more red, and it's such a stunning image. Actually, the first person we see is live Ullman. She's one of three sisters living in this house and two of them are taking care of the other sister who is dying of cancer and live almonds that first image her strawberry hair against this white gown that she's wearing and the blanket that's white white curtains in the room, but everything else about it is just a blaze with red. And we get that sense of white and angels and faith that Bergman is so concerned with and then there's a lot of use of black. I think to signify death. But then this. Overwhelming use of red as the color of blood, obviously of mortality of life. And you'll see a lot of writing about this movie that will suggest that Bergman's going for a sense of these characters being in a womb, which you would think of that as being safe and comforting in some ways, but you never get a feeling of safety or comfort inside the space and just as much as it's about life that read and how it makes us think of blood also then makes us think of death to serve as that duality there that duality that I think is constant in Bergman's work. Read also represents something kind of sinister evil as a stand in for what we imagine. Hell a conventional hell to look like, but then read also signifies eroticism and lust, and there's again, a duality there, and that sensuality and pleasure should be one of life's rewards. But for so many of Bergman's characters, including in this film. It's more like a punishment. It's feelings that they're repressing or they're being forced to repress or make. Them think of feelings of regret. There's a quote of Bergman's about this film where he says in the screenplay I say that I've thought of the color red as the interior of the soul when I was a child. I saw the soul as a shadowy dragon blue smoke hovering like an enormous winged creature half bird half fish. But inside the dragon. Everything was read as soon as you say that title. I think of those walls even more so than the fate outs to read are. Yeah. The deep red walls of that the walls the carpet the upholstery on the chairs, it's all right? We're at number one. And that's where I put Ron Akra Chris hours nine thousand nine hundred five epic take on King Lear his variation centers on an aging warlord whose dividing his kingdom among three sons run makes extensive use of the primary colors red blue and yellow each son is identified with one of these Hughes. But when I hear someone say, Ron, I think red absolute right away. There's a. Fan door video essay by Philip brubaker. It's titled Curacao color and one of the scenes that he includes from Ron is of soldiers burying these red banners while they ride horses across a green field of the video taxed says red flows. Like blood from an open vein, and that's as good a description as any as a matter of fact, right is, you know, literal blood later on in the film in some really striking sequences now in his accompanying notes to the video brubaker wrote this curse our received training as a painter before venturing into the cinema and his later works would benefit from his keen intuition about Hughes and their impact on the is in mind by the time of Ron the fourth color film. He directed Kerr Asala had mastered, the color palette for film he'd painted every frame of the film ten years earlier and when his eyesight failed him on location, his cinematographers needed only look at his paintings to depict his vision. I think I I saw Ron while studying Shakespeare in college, it might have even been part of that course. And even though it was you know, at that time. And in that context, it was the literary aspect that would have been foremost in my mind going into the movie when I finished watching it all I could think about was the movies use of color. I never seen a film with such a bold intentional effective use of color before. And and really I've seen very few cents. Maybe a handful of the ones that we've talked about tonight. So Ron is my number one pick. Yeah. Chris was use of read. There is so striking that then when we saw Ryan Johnson's the last Jedi and saw how he used red in those battle scenes, you knew immediately that he was inspired and influence for Ron. And of course, we get a lot of great USA read as well in that throne room sequence in Ryan Johnson's films to the last Jedi. An honorable mention for me. My number one, though, I am going to go with a film that Christopher Doyle was a collaborator on as a cinematographer with Mark Lee, ping, Ben. And that is one car wise film set in nineteen sixty two in the mood for love. Starring Tony Leon and Maggie Cheung who move into apartments right next to each other on the same day and come to find out that their spouses are having an affair with each other. And they then begin to develop their own relationship going through some of the motions kind of acting out what that type of affair would entail without necessarily taking the next step that they imagine of course, that their spouses have Vic Murthy had some really nice thoughts on this film and color in two thousand fifteen for indie wire it was his criterion. Classic pick of the week. And he says, but it's Wong's use of colored that stays with you longer than anyone sequence ever can the film's breathtaking use of reds and blacks captures the suppressed intensity of their love as well as the shadows. Where it must stay his cinematographers created colorful world of dark secrets with bursts of flame threatening to pop out from the darkness only to eventually stay. Hey there untapped read. Again is the maybe most dominant color here. I think a lot of people when they imagined in the mood for love and their head. If they've seen it they think about the red curtains and the red carpet and the red lips of Maggie Cheung in some scenes, but more than that. It's just those warm tones of red yellow and orange. It's truly sensual. Maybe the most sensual film ever made. It's inviting lush is the word that gets thrown out a lot and rightfully so. And that's all contrast it with the grays and blues of life that we do see outside of these rooms that they're spending time together and actually think most of all though about a shot of Maggie Cheung sitting at a table, stirring, her coffee, and it's frame. So that her light pink lips are emphasized in the frame on the left. It actually cuts off her is the top part of her head. So we're really seeing those lips at the top of the frame, and they match the pink in her flower dress which also has blue and yellow. And green in it. And then the saucer and the Cup that she's using match that green exactly there's a precision and a meticulousness to the design in the lighting that is really pleasing. But I think also it suggests order and that matches their romantic choices where they've decided they're not going to be like their spouses, they're not going to give in and they are not going to violate these social codes that are dictating their behavior. Berry Jenkins the moonlight director loves one car. Why I think he talked about it in my interview with him and Naomie Harris on this show, and he did a segment for criterion. Where he talks about the influence of one car y on his work and the word he keeps coming back to for in the mood for love is yawning. There is this morning. That's really part of every frame of this film. And I think the use of color represents that yearning to it's something the seem slightly unattainable. Something slightly fantastic. But it's not completely unnatural. It's still grounded in the every day. Of their lives, which I think is what makes it so provocative the sense that this future, and this relationship is right there for them to take it. But they just won't or they just can't. So in the mood for love, my number one use of color when you watch that movie. It's almost as if at least in my memory, I think of watching red and yellow make orange. It's like the creation of color while you're sitting there watching beautiful stuff. Those are top-five uses of color in movies. Josh any honorable mention so many let me try to go through them quickly here. How about Zong emo-? I mean, you could have I think I didn't put him on because I could have chosen Haussa flying daggers curse of the golden flower or hero all of those and use color amazingly. Well, sin city almost squeaked on because I love those dashes of red and yellow I think I've described them before it's like Robert Rodriguez has broken into the Warner Brothers film the wire archive with. A marker a magic marker just gone wild. I almost made sin city my number one just despite the bug sale. Our first fight ever on the show. I really liked the original trod from nineteen eighty two and the original CGI work there. And the way they use color is pretty effective. Another filmmaker that comes to mind. I'm sure what we think of color is Pedro Almodovar all about my mother the red and yellow there is maybe the one I would have put on. But that's really like the more recent. It's it's so wonderful, Juliet, which didn't get a lot of attention. But as a great film. Yeah, I did consider the three colors trilogy. More recent one blade runner twenty forty nine that orange haze. And then really my number six or seven would have been Sean baker's, the Florida project, so the original blade runner, of course, as well. A good candidate for this list, and that neon you mentioned hero Zhongyi MU. I have not seen that film. But it came up multiple times on social media. So that's one of my regrets. My other regret is all the. Heaven allows not enough Douglas Sirk. Yeah, we go background. We could do a Cirque marathon at some point. This is true though. Josh my first five honorable mentions are your five picks. Oh, really? Yes. A goal Montas Ron superior the original the umbrellas of Sherborne. You could also go with the young girls of Roche four. But I think Sherborne uses color a little more vividly, and the grand Budapest hotel may not love the movie, I love it's use of color, and I can't put The Royal Tenenbaums on the list. So so let me get this. Right. You like the grand Budapest hotel. You just think Paddington to is the better fill. No, I don't even really like the grand euro. I was I was mixed on it. I love its use of color. I realize in this whole deeper and deeper so I said that they were three current filmmakers who are really at the vanguard of using color. Sean Baker one of them the other two I can't believe I didn't find room for this guy in my list. Nicolas winding Refn. Yeah. Drive the neon on the even only God forgives a movie, I don't particularly like. I do like its use of color, your respect that aspect of it. And the other one would be the director. We talked about just last week on the show. Jeremy Sonya, I two films with color in the title of blue ruin green room, and then hold the dark, not a movie, you would describe as colorful, there's a lot of darkness. There's a lot of black and white sometimes the white just coming from all the snow on the ground and the mountains. But I think that palate is still incredibly evocative the absence of color is used really well and hold the dark. He'll get his do when we get to our top five movies with a color in the title. We haven't done that yet. We I think we have have we as I was I was saying that sounds familiar, you know, two more that I'll mention another British film. I think from the early nineties like Derrick jarmin's blue Peter Greenaway's, the cook, the thief his life and her lover and the thing you'll Myers, a very smart film, spotting listener out there mentioned a great one over Email a documentary with a great use of color, and again like so many of our choices it's tied to the idea of fantasy. In the sequences. We get in Joshua Oppenheimer's the act of killing. Yeah. That is good. I think about just the poster of the active, I know, you can see those purples and greens and blues in your head right now. Again, those are top five uses of color in movies. We look forward to your picks or any other comments about the show. You can Email us feedback at films spotting dot net over at film spun dot net. 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Starring the great Carey mulligan and the great Jake Jilin hall. I'm excited for that one suspect. The Luca guate- Nino version out as well. It says here in my notes recommended question. Mark, do you know where you're falling on it? Josh, I'm leaning. No, okay. I'm I'm slightly leaning. Yes. All right. Let's we'll split. We'll split out in wide release. Nobody's Fool Tiffany haddish. As a woman who discovers that. Her sister is in an online relationship with a man who may not be what he seems the nutcracker and the four realms is out about a young girl who is transported into a magical world of gingerbread soldiers and an army of mice. That sounds colorful. It starts cure nightly Helen Mirren and Morgan Freeman bohemian rhapsody is also out the Queen slash. Mercury bio-pic next week on the show. We don't know we just don't know we might talk about bohemian rhapsody, or we might decide to overnight become Orson Welles aficionados and scholars I dunno bohemian rhapsody citizen came. 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11 Major Recent Movies (With Secretly Bizarre Productions)

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11 Major Recent Movies (With Secretly Bizarre Productions)

"Many thanks to our friends at squarespace for their support of this. Show the cracks podcast and hey they want to support you. It's twenty twenty a futuristic sounding year ear. And if we're in the future everyone should have a website because that was already a thing to do in the present day you know back when it was twenty nineteen a normal sounding year. Now it's twenty any twenty. We all have flying cars. squarespace makes it easier than ever to launch your passion project showcase your work sell products of any kind. And just be you on. The Internet had had to squarespace dot com slash cracked for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch is the offer code cracked to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain. Hey there folks. Welcome to another episode of the cracks podcast podcasts. All about being alive is more interesting than people think it is. My name is Alex Schmidt and the had podcasting here cracked act. I'm also known as Schmidt of the clam also known Schmidt e the champ and I am also also going to tell you about my Tom Cruise easiest moment. That's right Tom. I'm cruise the famous actor and producer and the religious leader and stuff. I don't know if you've seen it but I used to make a youtube show called hilarious helmet history and we would dig into myths chiefs and misconceptions about huge historical things while I wore a fun helmet one time. We did an episode about the Samurai of Japan and in other episodes of the show. Oh I'd have you know a pretty Halloween plastic kind of Viking helmet or which has had or something about this one. I was wearing a very substantial Samurai helmet like I could feel the half of it and the weight of it and like my neck felt very load-bearing throughout the shoot which was fine. I'm doing okay and after we shot the episode I I I you know. I went back to the producer and the crew and I said Hey. Here's the helmet. Thanks for everything that was great and they said no problem by the way you might be glad to know that. Samurai helmet was used on the two thousand three. Tom Cruise Movie The last Samurai and I I asked them. Why did you bother to get something like that? And it turned out. There was an entire helmet summit process to make that episode of the Youtube. History show happen. They tried several prop houses. And they sent somebody driving back and forth across L. A. to look at the helmets in various places and then the one they could get and their favorite one turned out to be an actual. Tom Cruise Mufi prop. I don't know if he wore it or it was worn by somebody he the you know pretended to stab or something. We don't know who's had it was on but that will just happen as you're making a thing and I don't think people watching the show got a sense of any of that or knew any of that right but the things you watch. We'll have constant amazing very specific steps in the productions in order to make them happen The Labor there is not visible. It's also kind of Wacky and all of those qualities are the topic of today's episode. We are talking about major recent movies with insane in production steps one more time. That is major recent movies with insane production steps because it turns out most Hollywood movies with any sizeable the budget and an effort at top quality. They will spend pieces of that budget on things. Much stranger than the The helmet crew in team that I had for Hilarious psalmist. It turns out one way. Being alive is more interesting than people think it is. Is that most movies. You see in theaters had several secrets. Laborious this efforts by people sometime between the idea and the Finnish film where grown ass adults did something crazy to make the movie happen. I love the stories. In in this episode Many of them involve kind of the end of post production. Especially the first few will talk about also many of them involve the writing stage of movie. Making so I'm extra thrilled to be. He joined by these two excellent comedy. Writers who are my guests today Gonzalo Cordova is a comedian and comedy. Writer with credits including Tacoma and Birdie undone and the Academy Awards Allen. Denton is an animation writer. Comedy writer and so much more including some very specific experiences that you will hear about on the episode of that made me think of him for this and I thought both of them for the show because they are both very fun very funny people with actual Hollywood experience so as we talk about today's actual Hollywood stories of doing really specific strange stuff to make a show happen. They're the people to do it. And I don't think you need anymore setup than that so please set-back or stand proudly beside Tom Cruise as you stare down Whoever whoever they were fighting the film I know it was set in the Meiji Restoration? But I don't really remember the last Samurai. Well I just know I had a piece of it on my head and either way. Here's this episode of the craft podcast with Gonzalo Cordova and Allen Denton. I'll be back after we wrap up. Talk to you event with all we've got here. It's a lot of like behind the scene stuff. I was curious just up top like how you guys feel about knowing all the behind hind the scenes details of a movie before gone and you know like does that enrich your experience or do you feel like you know too much about what you're getting into. I WanNa know everything I can. I'm always trying to stay one step ahead of the movie. I never want to get fully immersed. I guess I'm always thinking like how did they do that. Oh that's a cut rate there. They probably shot that on on a different day. I don't know I I just I try not to just be fully immersed in the movie I try and stay above the fray no at all Oh wow I've never never. I like to feel better than the movie. Nine little women uh-huh especially little for me really depends on the movie like it's clearly a cluster. Fuck it's very fun to know a little bit. Yeah Yeah but you know like example. Little women I didn't even I didn't need to read the book I wanted to be completely immersed I don't need to know who Louisa May alcott is. Yeah yeah so it really depends. I'd like to be immersed sometimes and sometimes I'm like no. This thing is shitty so learn a new way of enjoying it. I like that like I saw knives out recently and I was. It's like I'm glad I didn't know much of anything going. It was all just a surprise and all that and then on the other hand we have one story here and Consol you pick. This went out. Because it's the epic film cats. What a world we all went to? It was probably good to know as much as medications to take. I did take some medication. I'm not not prescribe. I did go see it. The backstory behind cats is that they obviously shot it and filmed. It was insane as it is is that they made this movie they made the movie. Had A bunch of problems right A lot of problems that were fixable by. CGI at a lot of problems that were not amongst them. Were that when the film was released in theaters. Some of the dancers in the background had hoodies on forgot to add the digital for Judi dench's hand has not been digitally furred. So it's her with her her wedding ring in one scene and then in the next shot or whatever it's her hand is furry again. Yeah we'll have a picture in the footnotes and this episode is very audio and storytelling but there are a few pictures that enhance. Yeah I did not see the parts that they had to fix later. The Baxter's that they released released it had mistakes and they were like Oh whoopsie and they went back and they fixed it with CGI and then told the theaters. You have to throw away your old print or your billy digital imprint. And do this one now. I saw the one that was fixed and boy howdy was I. I could not have told version so you when you felt. Oh this is the ideal form of this movie. This is the perfect for this. Is the directors cut. Well the interesting thing about cats. I was reading up on it it before when I was following the news like the way people follow the election. so actually cats has had to. CGI overhauls it's not just when it came out in theaters winner winner. The trailer came out people reacting. Where like this insane? And then they went back and they changed things and one of the funniest things to me about. It is one of the changes they made. Because it's like Oh people are so freaked out by these cats is they. May James Corden character his mustache longer to make it more obvious that he's supposed to be comedic and they're like our jobs and then they still really stick with way bigger mistake mustache. No you're killing it as we give them a bigger mustache. You'll be funny. Yeah Yeah it's a weird thing. 'cause some of the stuff that I found interesting about cats was the stuff that you wouldn't like you go in and you're like ANA freaked out and repulsed and it's going to be really weird and that's they're like the beginning of the movie you're like Oh my God. This is so weird. And you're like a little bit like your mouth is in shock but then the parts that actually make you laugh are just things you did. Not expect going in. Rebel Wilson at one point UNZIPS her skin to reveal her exact same skin. Boat wearing a dancer's outfit. uh-huh starts eating cockroaches with human faces. Yeah yeah that's that's in the movie like see this me and Allen or just. I like that wasn't in the nineteen seventeen. The ash the best part by. I haven't heard a lot of people talk about this part I'd Elba's in it a very hunky man playing very silly character he has like magical powers didn't I don't know why he has magical powers powers because he's a mechanic and then he's like vaporizing people. I didn't understand the movie. Actually have no idea what happened. He like teleport's or something with magic and becomes comes up of smoke and as he does it he yells the word meow and that he doesn't go. Wow he yells meow and he doesn't with that amount of energy and it's amazing and it's very exciting that not only do they make all these conscious creative decisions but then people who were super fans and did see it on opening night and did not. An interrupted interrupted their lives to do this saw a movie with all kinds of crazy errors. And then there was a like a day one update of like it's a video game they're patching and we've got Hollywood reporter had the memo from the studio theaters and it said that a universal number five thousand theaters. They will be receiving an updated version of the the movie with quote some improved visual effects and they were told you can get it from a server on Sunday or we can get you a hard drive by Tuesday for this movie movie. That opened on a Friday. Then you'll get the fixed and correct you know whenever you get it. We'll figure it out when I was in college once. I did not turn into paper on time time and I tried to tell the teacher. Hey can I like just send you a bad version of it and then send you a better version of you days later and it did not work. And it's amazing that it worked for a major motion picture. Yeah it it feels like when like you're working on a document with people and the file name becomes like something something underscore final underscore final and all like. That was a a major motion picture. They did that way. I wonder if the fixed quote unquote fix. Version is more valuable or the more of a cluster. Fuck version is more valuable because like wh why are you seeing cats well. They both bombed versions of bombed in the theater. So neither that's true. They didn't get updated. Box Office reviews just like Oh never mind is great more complaints. I think they should have sent another one that was worse just plain Greens among tracker balls to everybody. Yeah we've got stories today that are from every end and middle of the beginning of a production process and like this very tail end stuff they were doing. Tail End Ah Yeah there's also There's another movie that is still on the way because they tried to do a bunch of updates early on sorta like you're talking about with trailer came out and people were like we gotta change it. The upcoming sonic movie is a movie. Where a trailer and a lot of images came out in the summer summer and then the studio said Nope we're just changing the entire look of the character? It's all going to be redone and there's a whole new. Sonic the Hedgehog on the way in the movie perfect. That makes a little mad who I got mad at the twitter people who made them fix it because when I saw the frustration I was like Oh this looks like something. I'll enjoy watching high at at home and now it just looks like a regular bad movie. It's like if they fix cats and actually made it mediocre instead of really bad. Maybe it'll be good. I don't know I don't want to slam a movie for its out but when I saw the the weird human teeth I was like I think I might go see this unique relationship with this movie because I worked worked on the sonic the hedgehog cartoon sinus which is a very fun shout. Yeah thank you. Yeah and so immediately I get my twitter feed is flooded flooded with this stuff and this guy and I'm just kind of looking at it on. Oh Boy oh boy Oh boy thinking for our show. We redesigned the characters. So on the one hand I'm going well you know. A lot of people have thoughts about R redesign. But Hey I think show turned out okay and on the other hand. I'm like but this is a literal nightmare so I kind of like keeping quiet about it for a long time professional run into each other. The sonic everybody's running really fast way. I had the most awkward interaction in the big loop. The rings I think ultimately they made the right choice in going back and redesigning it. Because I like to call Holum rat boy the original design. He was just like this like the original movie designed. You'll be decided. Just this horrifying realistic furred blue rodent creature yet. Look like sonic to me. It was sort of like. Have you ever seen that I. I guess I'd call it fan but it's like someone will try to make what a humans had would be if homer Simpson was human. And so they actually have that like weird dome and everything it's really like uncanny that way The original sonic movie. It felt a little bit like that. Yeah it feels like people are happier with the design and they did a good job at. I think it's funny that cats tried to do do that. And it's like if when they redesigned it after the trailer reaction they just made Jim Carrey's mustache longer. Basically what cats. And then there's also a side story where a firm called M. P. C. Vancouver which is behind affects for life of Pi and the latest Lion Ryan King at a bunch of other movies with amazing computer generated effects. They apparently have their staff working seventeen hour days to get the new sonic together for the movie out out and then the parent company of Empty Vancouver closed in and fired. Everyone after this process. And you wouldn't know that watching the movie but that's sort of a would You like pull off a mass. That's another thing that I think. Just average movie fans don't think about these like enormous again video game style teams of craftsmen and digital laborers. Putting together the shows. You know whole thing. Yeah Story years ago before I made my living as a writer I worked in like a visual effects company and really didn't know that. Yeah I was the database manager and I eventually my job became the outsource manager and I was like in charge of all the outsourced work. It was like outsourcing artisan it is an India and in Korea and Thailand and the Philippines and all around people that are probably making two bucks an hour or something. It's all a big mess. Yeah Yeah but that's a that's just like going on with a lot of movies now. I feel like it's just interesting to be in a time. Where for better or worse movies are getting updated and patched watched the very last minute or even a couple of days after it came out there will be hard drive with China later? I wonder if there's like if you really pushed if they would refund your money if you if you said I saw the bad one you knew you were delivering a new movie on Tuesday. Yeah there could be a class action suit very minor importance court judges. You did this to yourself. You have to pay more and then in terms I guess the beginning of a movie process. We've also got a story here and this is this is probably the oldest movie. We'll talk about what that that it's old but iron man in two thousand eight and this from a cracked article called twenty ninety one behind the scenes of vendors. Fax You never knew by Adam weirs but it turns out that the first iron man movie. I had heard that there was some Improv. On the sentence on but but it turns out that there wasn't a script if Jeff Bridges is correct And if the other stories are correct it was. It was a mostly improvised movie. Sort of in the wave like an appetite comedy would be or something like an episode of curb your enthusiasm the line. They know where the scenes are taking place right but they don't really know what they're saying in those scenes like we've got an iron man and we'll figure it out that was a lot of the production of iron man that launch was not sober and did not know also it seems baffling to me because as marvel movie this was the that was the first marvel studio movie. Yeah there was a lot a lot of money and cachet and they were planning they already had the avengers plan this ten fifteen movie plan and they were just wing winging it. Well we think so like this story here. And we've we've got an amazing Jeff bridges quote but it leads me to believe that they have just retroactively told everyone they had an adventure plan. This jeff bridges quote here as they had no script man. They had an outline. We would show up for big scenes every day and we wouldn't know what we are going to say we would have to go into our trailer and work on this scene. Call up writers on the phone saying you got any ideas. Meanwhile the crew tapping their foot on the stage waiting for us to come and end quote. Jeff Bridges also called at a two hundred million dollars student film and set. Everybody was quote just fucking around. Make an iron man. That's unbelievable. That was like Whoa. WHOA that dark night like the two biggest movies that year right? Yeah Yeah Yeah. It was a two thousand eight. Yeah those Kinda parallel things so dark knight is this like extremely Greenlee crafted like either joker will mean this and that and then iron man. It's like maybe he goes to a club. I duNno I figure it out. It's a shame because Now now I feel like my student films or even more disappointing. Because they didn't watch US nomadic they just lost me like eight thousand dollars. uh-huh and Jeff Bridges was in them complaining the entire time. That's like an eight thousand dollars. Students among other scenes that were just improvised is the ending of the movie. Where Robert Downey junior tells the group of reporters that he's iron man and then just later Kevin Feige said yeah? That was very very in character Franklin so that was good but they didn't plan it they just kind of did it. The ending of the movie was going to be him just at the press conference going like I don't know who iron man is. They had some kind of outlined where it would be still a mystery in some way and then down he just tried telling him really literally does. Just give a normal press conference where he comes Out and he's like. I'm Tony Stark and Tony Stark Industries. The stock is up up up. The rest has the F. C. Investment Business Bub and then we've got to other marvel stories but one of them is and this is just like a a middle of production action meeting. You have to have apparently once you make a weird enough movie. But the ant man movie in Two Thousand Fifteen. There's a fight at the end of ant man where ant man and yellow jacket back at our miniature and they're on top of Thomas the tank engine toy and so they're fighting on the toy and that's what's going on and it turns out the production had to have an entire meeting with the owners of Thomas. The tank engine brand to convince the brand that they would not make Thomas the tank engine evil or dangerous or any other things like for their brand in their aunt man movie so there was a whole like meeting about the rights and the image of Thomas The tank to make the movie. I like how they you have to be like deferential to the Thomas the tank engine people. Yeah Yeah you know. It's like a thing in this business anytime you have to license something. You're just like yeah. It'd be cool uh-huh maybe it was Thomas Toy or something and then you have to talk to somebody. Who'd like their largest asset is Thomas? The tank engine driving force of their life and their when you have to go like well. Obviously yes Thomas. The tank engine is very important. We would never besmirch his identity by having him run over somebody. He's only help out to ant man the quote here from Director Peyton Reed is quote. We had to do this whole thing where we did the presentation for the people who own the rights to Thomas. Thank God they agreed and found it funny but there were definite stipulations for example nobody could be tied to the tracks and run over by Thomas. Thomas couldn't be doing anything that could be perceived by I children as evil. Thomas had to stay neutral in the battle which was always our intention and quote so the greatest evil of all they would like to think of Thomas. The tank is Switzerland. Who turned their backs right when there is a crisis? Thomas has no particular principles or morals. Bats is character and we will hold the trial Thomas the tank. Yeah but sort of make that movie they had to have a whole song and dance with at and like you said Allen. It's definitely meeting about Thomas with the people who care more about Thomas than anyone entire world. It's a really. You're probably calling them in an office. Full of Thomas. Merchants Tokens and gear and everything. And they're like Yeah Thomas the tank engine. You work with us because we're such a viable property right. I wanted to put him in the movie. Yeah I'm surprised. They cut through at all well to be honest just hearing that like. It's obvious that they're scared of it. Being seen as a dangerous thing but like the movie it it feels like a kid playing with it would think I'm going to throw this at my friend. You know what I mean like. Oh like they come out of the movie thinking I can kind of see their point a little bit because because it's supposed to be a cuddly. I mean Thomas. The tank is terrifying. It's not hard to make him look evil but yeah it's like I could see why they were worried but also you know it's such a silly silly thing Yeah Gonzalo I. You're opposed to sexual humanoid cats heroes to a train with face. I think tank honestly it's not sexual sexual enough and if I work there that's the note I would have given the ant man people. He has to have a dog but he can't be evil. Then we've got another story here. It's the last marvel one but it's The movie Captain Marvel just came out recently and is this is a kind of crew task. Ask a Lotta shoots and productions and things the crew will have like a little specific strange things to do and it turns out that in order to make Captain Marvel which is a movie. Are you wearing a superheroes famously. With a cat. They made it with actor Brie Larson who it turns out is really allergic to cats. Like heavily extremely allergic to cats and so pre Larsen and the cat playing goose had to be separated at all times whenever possible like the Rock and Vin diesel and Raise he's allergic to drama. Couldn't do it. They had some crew members constantly separating them and and also if she ended up touching the cat then crew would like Kinda run in. And Scrub and disinfect. Her as best they could to prevent the allergic reaction. Just all the time throughout the shoot. I guess I always assumed if you're really allergic to cats was like something you could do about it. Some sort of pills you could take or or treatments you could get it. I'm guessing they didn't work for free. Larson we've got an and this linking to USA Today story but there's a story here we're basically she Apparently apparently takes allergy meds every day. No matter what because I'm just like allergic to the planet for some reason she's very allergic to everything but in particular with this like she would take a bunch of medication for allergies and just couldn't handle the task of her cat. Allergy was just too strong. Yeah that's good acting then when you have to act like your affectionate towards towards this thing that you know is going to give you a rash seconds after they call cut. Yeah I just love that. There was probably a whole team and probably if I watched that entire hire credits that goes on for fifteen minutes probably would have seen him listed that like just keeps. The cat separated from the leading actor. So they can shoot when we've got other stuff from here and Alan. You pick this one out because it's another story involving actual cats not the movie cats but it's from John Wick Chapter Three Para Bellum. Yeah so a lot of cats stuff by the way yeah. I'm realizing so in John Wick. Three the sequence in Morocco there's counter unreason Halle Berry and they like the scene. Credible action sequence. What they they're shooting down assassins in Morocco? And there's fifty people that they shoot so and so the director director Chad Leschi. He scouted the the location in the wintertime or something. They looked around the went all right and there was some straight cats hanging around and they were like okay so you know. There's a few stray cats were aware of that and then they went back to actually film it and there were like exponentially more cats onset than they planned for. I I read this article. He says we show up to shoot and there were literally a thousand cats. Okay Okay and cats of balls of steel. They're not afraid of anything so they're trying to they're trying to like shoot this very complex action sequence and you know and there's just like cats wandering everywhere so then they have to like build these cat holding areas but like a mainly then they just like they're keeping cat food every wearing cat traps going and so he said in this article said we had walls of cats walls of fucking the amount of fucking cat food. We were probably really feeding more cats than people onset and also like don't forget Holly Berries character has two dogs that are like part of the action sequence sequence where there's gunshots go and she's sitting the dogs on people and stuff but like there's cats running around right behind the cameras as the dogs need eight to be doing very very precise choreographed trained action sequences. So you know like you need the dog to be really focused and then like there's just like cats running around so the director says there's ten cat's walking around you're going on Jesus and he got the studio in America going. Why are you behind and and just get the dog to do it? And you're like I don't speak dog. I watched the scene again after reading about that. I was just looking for a cat. I did not find a single cat in the summer. Anything completely erased them goes and shoots someone and he's holding a cat it. It just didn't some shots. He's a cat and a suit. I mean like they could have had some cats in there. They didn't have to like cage every free cat. I guess you know Leiva can't wandered in. It's like outside and Morocco. I think that's okay. But then the cat wants to be in the Union SAG appoints. I don't know how it works but yeah that's that's really amazing that they were just constantly wrangling. Cats there's also just other extremely specific jobs odds-on shoot The people who need to deal with this coming from six recent movies with bonkers behind the scenes stories by J m mcnabb and his from the movie midsummer. Where You you know. We've got this strange Pagan Group in in Scandinavia. And they. There's one part of midsummer where there's a rights called at a Stupa where two old old people jump off a cliff to die and then one of them lives and someone needs to come and smash their head and that that happens in this very on horror movie but in order to do that it turns Out It's really really hard to build like dummy head that you just smash and fake blood comes out of it. And so they built an incredibly elaborate basically robotic head that they could smash in and then it would use pneumatic cylinders inside of it to reconstitute itself into a whole head again and so they could just constantly constantly imploded and re-expand at all of the time instead of having a bunch of just one shot dummy heads. which is such a bizarre thing to need to do? You wouldn't think of it not at all. It's like one moment in the whole movie. So that's cheaper than just making a few duplicate head. Casts is make this whole self. righting pneumatic matic system. Yeah so apparently In in this article they get into how in order to make one dummy had that has some fluid in it and looks realistic and high quality. It takes at least one artist about six weeks of work booth to build one of those heads at the top Hollywood quality and so instead had they were like. Why don't we spend a few more weeks making a single robotic head that we can just constantly crashing re-expand all the time even though no one will know we did? I like how now when you read about Trauma movies how they would do it is they would just fill a watermelon full of fake blood on it so much better. They're kicking themselves now. Yeah but it takes like ten weeks to grow watermelon seed uh-huh long. It takes one artist to grow water and so then they did like a whole bunch of work to build. There's apparently a bunch of other machinery like hidden in a hole in the ground under it and said well we'll have pictures in the footnotes. It's the thing where you can see. This headed just implodes when hit and then sort of re just all the parts come back out like a terminator back into the original shape. scenarious thing that could be the movie. Yes how low Internet enthusiast Suzianne I I think I think I can address you. Is that right because you listen to podcasts. 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She's so she plays the evil ballet instructor if you haven't seen the original or the new one but also plays to secret roles in it and one is as an old man named Doctor Joseph clamper. who was in the credits? It says it's played by a man named. Let's Ebbers Dorf. I think I got that right. But what if you watched the movie. It's Tilda swinton in old man makeup. Pretty obvious you're like man doesn't look like an old man. It just looks like someone put old age makeup on somebody and it's definitely Tilda swinton which I love so much because it's like well this'll be really fun and cool story to tell afterwards but we'll also ruin the reality of this movie. I I do like that movie that I remember watching it. I know about this story when I watch and I was just watching it. And the second that character pops up is it's like oh that's still disheartening. So there was no dramatic reason why this person needed to look vide. Like Tilda swinton their reasoning. They've been asked to Sula. WOAH and one of the reasons is that there's the artistic reasoning that the director Luca. Good you know I think is his name. He says well the the movie it. It's really a movie about the cycle analogy allergy so You know it makes sense to have tilda play a character that represents the did he go the Super Ego and also. It's a movie about feminity so this character to have the only we may lead to be played by woman really make sense and until the swinton was like because it was sounded fun. She literally says something like we could have not done it or we could have done it and it sounded more fun to do it. Which is why I think she's cool? Yeah she'll was in grand. Budapest hotel plays a very old woman to. They did a lot of old age makeup. I think she just likes doing she. Did I think she just enjoys sitting in a chair for five hours. And that's tricky. Maybe especially with actors like so much acting it is work but also like a lot of the wilder things and actor can do to earnestly get ready for a role are also like doc. Funny it's like it's really hard to tell if till the is truly like this is my process and that's how I figure it out or it's like an I thought it would be nuts to where a prosthetic it's yeah I think she does it in her spare time. An old man makeup. How much makeup are we talking about it? We talked a full box. It's actually yeah pretty. Good Yeah No. She had a she had a fake penis. Ed Balls made so that she could because she's like a method actress and she She she onset onset would show up like that and would insist that people call her. Whatever this actress this fake actor that she created lots ever stores they will then people would call her lots so she says? She was meditating. Editing not as the character but as as May as the actor who was technically. It's professor. Let's ever store so so also the guy had a made up Dr Which is technically stolen valor. But for professor she was as is a man who does not method act. Yeah Yeah pretty much yeah. We should emphasize also that she did insist on. Having a prosthetic penis prosthetic set of balls. Day Sky Those did not appear in the movie. I think they did or they did. I think the characters naked at one point. Oh I might be missed remembering this because I watched the movie in a movie theater a long time ago. But I don't know if that's the one she was wearing underneath. Because that's there's a difference between between screens screens balls one of them has to be glistening and perfect. The other one has to be functional and no I don't know but I'm I'm I would assume that there might be the Difference you can't just be in your comfy balls balls that are for you and there's balls that are for guests they take the plastic off those because The the movie had a makeup artist named mark. Cooley who's WHO's want Academy Awards before. And he said quote she had this nice weighty set of genitals so that she could feel it dangling between her legs and she managed to get it out on set on a couple applications well now feels like harassment or something. Yeah there's there's something there I guess. Everybody was comfortable with each other but it was time. Boy You make Tilda swinton demand for just a few hours and she immediately becomes a creep that that is actually That makes us so they were trying to keep this ruse going after as part of a promotion promotion which I actually think is smart promotion in crates for a weird very spooky fantastical horror film. I think it makes sense to do something like this. So they created a fake. IMDB page at the premier. She read a letter from this man. Being like I'm so sorry I couldn't make it which honestly malaria it's like if you're really trying to keep this ruse go until this wouldn't have read the letter because it's obviously her. You know what I mean. They should have the director. Read it or something favorite. My favorite part is the plan. Well this is according to her not the director after. I don't think the director would have done this. But she was upset that it came out before the movie was finished like Paparazzi. Shot photos of this old man noodling with her boyfriend tillerson's boyfriend and they're like Pilsen like onset photos and they were upset because Tilda swinton apparently wanted to have an Memoriam at the end for the actor. Living like this is dedicated to this man died in the middle of a shoe the hubris of reading his statement at the premiere like Clark Kent going. Oh I'm sure wherever he is knows how you feel. Yeah that's exactly what she did. She clerked tempted it. But you know I think I think there was. There's a lot of Winking acknowledgement that point and they were just having fun with it and I think most of the whatever the I'm guessing this is a European premiere. Where like Oh God God? I hate Americans British but still it was like. It's a very silly. I think it has some sense of humor to it. They're just lying for fun. There's there's another elaborate effort kind of thing going on here with other movie. I man which I really enjoyed. But it's it's the story of Neil Armstrong going to the moon and other things and in order due to create outer space and specifically the moon. They had to do really really bizarre laborious effort to make that happen for one thing. They created lunar surface by shooting at an outdoor quarry and it snowed the first day and so they just had to stop because it doesn't Snow on the moon. Everyone would what people think breaking science news on the show and then also apparently the light from the Sun. When you're on the moon is strange? It's not like on her. Because of the atmosphere appearance stuff so in order to create that on film they decided no existing light. Bulbs could do it. None of them are powerful enough. It doesn't work. And so they commissioned a whole new type of light bulb which was double the brightness of the previous maximum they tried one and it exploded after an hour of filming and so then they had a backup bulb. Well then they cooled it with giant fans to try to like keep it from blowing up because they didn't have other ones and then they set it up five hundred feet above the shoot so it wouldn't be too close to people because it was and the crews still got sunburns from it because it was such an extremely powerful bulb that simulated sunlight in such a way. The one thing that you don't need to simulate in a movie about spaces the radiation poisoning. No we need to simulate the radiation that will kill everyone prematurely. I guess a bizarre thing about it is like if I watch movie on the Moon. I don't notice that the lighting is authentic back to the idea but one watching the actual moon footage landing. Yes that's fake. That was like they got that very expensive lightbulb to appeal to two dozen people that would really yeah just about. Yeah Yeah it's a good. That's a good point. None of viewers except like vise Aldrin have been there so no one knows that's sequences really good though it does look like I've never been to the moon but it does look like the moon to me are- in Utah. I thought that movie looked amazing. I think also the less people saw it then. They hoped so like. It's a lot of labor for smaller audience than contested. Probably but they did a great job and there's also a lot of parts of the movie where for instance when the rocket is launching to go to the moon. You would think okay. They must've just done effects or something to create that. But what they did is they wanted to use old NASA archival footage of the actual launches and put them in the movie. But the problem was it was on some kind of military grade film stock that no existing technology could scan and like put into a movie today and so they had to search around old like houses of equipment at NASA to find some kind of old experimental scanners transfer the film and then put it in the movie so a lot. The first man is like actual old NASA footage with really elaborate special effects to make it work for the film crazy amount of effort for you so you know just a rocket launch. Well Yeah because at first you'd go like Oh they wanNA use a real footage that makes sense that's probably cheaper and easier and then it's neither of those things not much watermark property shutter soccer but yeah so all. That's going on at just to make this like you know movie about going to the moon stuff. Then there's another story here and the story is from a cracked article called six twenty nineteen movies with crazy behind the scenes drama so so Very recent movies in two thousand nineteen. There was a child's play remake. They did another chucky movie. You know new version of the original but there's also a TV show coming and long story resort. It's because the original rights to sort of the chucky stories and franchise were subdivided because of a massive Australian financial crime. Prime that's That's why that happens. It's because there was a book by Don Mancini that got turned into the nineteen. Eighty eight child's play movie and then an Australian company called Quintex was going to buy the studio and so the owner of this Australian company. QUINTEX decided I don't like horror movies very much. They're stupid. Were obviously never going to do anything with these child's playwrights and so he had them give away the rights to universal to make a sequel the child's play but then the Sale fell through because Quintex was just horribly corrupt and malfeasance a no actual money and that led to a whole Australian like banking collapse and Real economic problem for that country and meanwhile universal made sequels and the author still own the original version and so now there are two entire separate copyrights writes going on for Chucky because of Australian financial crime. He just gave them the rights for nothing. Yes they didn't even have to buy it from him. He just on Chucky. Yeah it was a guy named Christopher case and he he was buying a united artists and mgm and he told them Chucky. I don't want it and so you guys Steven Spielberg wants to make a sequel universal. He can just go ahead. We don't need to charge him anything for it wasn't any I think yeah smart. Because when you get chucky you gotta get rid of immediate. I've learned from the movies. They don't WanNa be in your house. At first. He seems like a good idea. It is truly weird that a corrupt a businessman was also just giving away lucrative rights. You would think he would be milking that I do. I do believe theory is correct it and so now. There's like this remake movie in two thousand nineteen is because MGM still had the Copyright of the original movie but then and there's GonNa be a TV show based on the book and Sequel Movies owned by the author and so these are completely separate productions and properties and have nothing to do with each other and the the author tweeted some snarky stuff about the movie. That's not his. And it's just a whole subdivided like parallel Chucky universes Rookie fan base is like very into following the mythology of that those movies too like the the actual. They were a little bit. Like this isn't my Chucky uh-huh Chucky so the murder doll in this one is ruining my childhood. He ruined a lot of. I don't know about you guys but when I've come across Hollywood dealings and businesses and stuff I have often realized. Oh Hey there are no rules right like there are some laws and some morals and stuff but there Renault like specific rules of Oh until you get this degree or until you do this specific thing then you can make a movie like just anybody can do it at any time you know and I think it leads to allow these stories because then suddenly someone who decided to and has access to some money did it. That's it I think you're right. And you picked out a story about fully the entire entire making of several movies including the wolf of Wall Street Daddy's home dumb and dumber to it all springs from one thing. Yes so found this Guy Rizza Aziz these who is a CO founder of red granite pictures so great red granite pictures formed and like twenty ten and They made the movie friends with Kids With Adam. Scott on Jon Hamm and out of the furnace which I'd never heard of but the with Christian Bale Woody Harrelson and then we'll Wall Street and so they were kind of like this. He's pretty legit production company making some Hollywood movies making profitable movies and Wolf of Wall Street. A Big One and like variety. Put you know Rizza Aziz as one of their top ten producers to watch like I read the article and he's like all full of themselves because we're investor savvy and know how to make movies the right way and that's what made Leonardo di Caprio believe in us. What he didn't say was that he's the stepson of Malaysia's Prime Minister Strep time? A man named Jeep Rosiak who it was since revealed embezzled about four and a half billion dollars from like the the Malaysian development funds into all sorts of business accounts including about a quarter of a billion dollars billion with a B. Quarter quarter of a billion two red granite pictures. So so like one hundred and fifty five million dollars a loan of this embezzled money went into wolf off of Wall Street and it was really all of these movies. Including Wolf of Wall Street. We're just huge money laundering schemes. Right after Wolf of Wall Street went on again as you said to make daddy's home dumb and dumber two and everything you know he said. That's what made Leonardo di Caprio believe in US also like they gave Leonardo Arctic Caprio like a Picasso Painting and like ten million dollar artworks and Marlon Brando's Oscar. They're just like hand. Hang onto this Marlon Brando's grandchildren Leo. Glad you're working with us. Can you hang on to this for me. Great thanks and he's like great. I love these guys like this came out. All of that had to be seized back like the federal government. went to DiCaprio's. How's that they're pulling out all this art art stolen art from his home and there's like diamonds new brand does Oscar Anne at a time? They were the federal government was also like looking to seize just the rights to these movies entirely too like tried return to the Malaysian government. So it was like dumb and dumber to who was almost like a Malaysian government asset. But then the then they were. They wanted to start a streaming service. Just five movies. The the red granite pictures is still accompany still in business. They've paid a fine Rizza. Aziz is no longer I think ah involved operationally and like this isn't over by the way like he's going to trial and it starts this month the international economy. It's amazing using one. Reason is that you can do a crime in Malaysia. And then try to launder it by making like an Oscar winning film with a really great now. If the Producers One day those Oscars will be given to someone else like these movies were too successful and they needed to throw him into losers just like nuts. 'cause like I. I saw the you know the headline but like these movies are actually Malaysian money laundering schemes. And saying okay. What's the real story? And then that was the story. It's just that yeah. It's just kind of thing where they stole some money. And they were like in order to launder at. I will find a movie and make money off the movie. Maybe that was a good investing decision. Maybe that maybe that was a smart use of their laundered money like rather than stocks stocks or something. Make a make a Hollywood movie with these hero. You're trying to say the funny thing is how this on in time this company still in business. They just paid back the money but now they're still in business because they were hit movies and that is nuts is to me that you can just go like. Oh sorry. Here's exactly what we took We're good now we're gonNA keep making movies. Yeah as I understand it. That's how white collar crime works. Yeah this is kind of ah which is crazy like you said. Bay seized a bunch of assets including a Picasso a close to ten million dollar. Basquiat that is such a weird gift to me. That they said Halio Eleo. We have a gift for you. It's an Oscar that Marlon Brando. Would you wouldn't want somebody else's and we got you a label maker and whatever you want it. Leonardo DiCaprio had not won an Oscar. So that must have been an insult to them. Yeah was the revenue revenue was after all. Oh Man Yeah that that sticks. Yeah that's not a good game one by a real actor just yeah just label makers is it for like the beach now. I one weird thing is it makes me question what Leonardo Dicaprio's life is because he got these extravagant gifts and ask no questions so are are people just constantly giving him. Picasso's Basquiat Authors. And he's like I just I don't even really think twice about. Yeah put it with the other one. Yeah that it does kind of make sense because it does feel like if someone gave me something that Nice. That'd be like what's going on here. What are they trying to get from me? Yeah I do that with much smaller. I don't accept gifts from my parents you want and even then all of these various crimes that like we said it's an active legal proceeding in Malaysia. It's still going on. But it led to headlines such as feds look look to seize dumb and dumber to rights because they were like the. US Federal Government was like we are taking this to give it back to Malaysia. Because it was an ill gotten gain and the sequel the dumb and dumber. You're welcome to dumb and Dumber to folks. That is the episode for this week. My thanks to Gonzalo Cordova and Allen in Denton for for digging so far into the rabbit hole of these specific stages of movie production where people did something that is very humorous to think about about once. You fix it on it and in our food notes you will find evidence of all those elaborate efforts by people to to make entertainments like cats happen and then and get updated after it was in theaters and so much more. I particularly recommend the links about the Malaysian money laundering scheme. And how it gave us all several major Hollywood Hollywood movies again. That is an active legal proceeding in Malaysia. And the links there will actually tell you the very latest on that case if anything new you happened because it's supposed to go to trial basically as we were taping and so there might be more there. I'm excited to find out with you. I also hope you will follow our guests on on this episode. 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Episode 116: Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn) + Deadpool

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Episode 116: Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn) + Deadpool

"It's not just the capital move. You have to remove the little part that matches the cat. That's on the bottle recycling. Oh I see that is. I don't know why everyone doesn't know this. I don't know I told I told the boy I like that. He said why. Why isn't this common knowledge? He had an anxiety attack while I'm recording so we can Everybody knows now good. Wow that's beautiful. Thank you and today plastic ring around the bottles or have to get rid of it or they won't recycle Michael It on top off today. Jewish Earth Day. Isn't it well. Because it's it's perfect. I met a Jew. I told you I love having Henry. How many times I told you I love that girl? She reminds me of Allie. She's cool. Yeah yes she does. Actually I love that girl when I found out she was June. Only Adieu but a Jew who knew it was Tuba Bush Bot which is like you know that that's really you're paying attention to things I said. Wow hello everybody. Welcome back to fill Matz podcast. This episode number for one Hundred Sixteen and my name is Henry. I'm Khloe and joining us once again. After a little. Oh hiatus is our friend Henry Wilkinson. Hello or Henry number two. Yeah ever you WANNA put it or Wilkie or whatever you WANNA call so on maybe yeah and we're talking about marvel is worth. It can't be denied. There's photographic evidence but also marvels well. But it's not on Disney plus because I looked sure but toward it visit and so yeah thanks again for coming back on of course thank you and this time around. We got a pretty good show for you. I would say we have a review of birds of prey and the emancipation or the fantabulous. Emancipation of one Harley Quinn and then a retro a review of the first dead pool and so two kind of has already did the second one we did do the second one so you can check that that when we did that back and better better go check that one out as well and then we have a little bit that kid on a plane. Ten minutes to a little bit of news all the usual all stuff so thanks again for joining us. Well I think viral. He always asked me how I am and we all know that you said it up. I saw yesterday at the coffee shop I popped in. You did Henry yes although we do have some some big reviews to get to. I think both of you have stories to talk about thirty big. And so yeah so Khloe. La gophers maybe. I got close but you actually did it so yet. Yeah so I had a near death experience. Since about a month ago I was driving really late in the rain which was not a good idea what time it was past midnight. It was like maybe one fifteen scene one thirty in the morning okay. I really wanted some cookout and that was a bad call on my part. If you don't know cookout is come to North Carolina for a day host. You can see from my house. I have a very nice guest room upstairs. You gotTa have cookouts. Even I think so. Yeah Smelted a lot milk show. milkshake melt so many milkshakes is so good they have like fifty Brazilian go jingles. Come here we really. We have lots of really great hospital. Well maybe not. We're not having really good. My Dad's is that my dad will take care of you. If you get sick from the fast food there you go we can go hiking. Just come I just just come. We'll take care carbo see hillsborough. All the Boroughs Hills Hills Chapel Hill. So my car hydroplanes. I lost control and I was actually hit. The we haven't talked to Orange County Sign County and they sent me a fine because I hit the sign and knocked it over so like I literally was on the county line and this isn't funny in any respect but that's kind of amazing. Of course I would issues like kind of kind of beautiful if it's going to happen to be on a county line. Did the sign fully fall down. Did you know that the guy the guy asked he was like do you want to take it and was like I don't want to have any to that it's still there. It's still there on the side of the road. Is it a released. It was the other day when I drove flame. Durham there Durham Durham can live is it. It was the Durham Or an term. Okay Yeah nobody does visit you care about you term. Sorry but if it was like Chapel Hill that about what they would say yeah maybe a burning an effigy still would would have had something there. Yes it was ben really cool to like it because you know it's a it's a long one and sort of twisted. Look we gotta get we. We can ju- it. It can be like a Cathartic at all. The force of the crash was so strong that the back of my truck like flipped fifteen feet in the air cheese and got stuck between two trees. Oh man and it was really bad although somehow how none of my food spilled but they wanted for the movie as well. Yeah but they wouldn't let me take it because they were like oh gases is or something and it was like but it's right there I had. I'm not trying to keep telling you it's okay. You know Connor. You're my best left me for a year. Euro crap till the SWINTON swinton. Yeah he tells us when we've been that's hilarious to doesn't you know it gender fluid thing I guess so anyway I I only call toast. Wouldn't tell us when I would not put Pronoun till the someone's Win Tilda Swinton in any case so we love to share. I won't name the restaurant because I really liked this place. We love to share cake from there. Like a thing we do. They have beautiful delicious cakes. Right that's bakery staple for special news and every now and then we just share big. It's very like like yeah. been like a indulgent. Yeah and she's doing we talk whatever and and one time we we gotta be and we went on a merry way because we like to eat in parks or something outside. Why do and he deals with same? Same don't worry. I bring my own silverware onto plastic. Anyway shut up better anyway but but we were like. This tastes weird. We're like he's kind of like gasoline and we were like weird. We Ate Mormon. We're we're all this doesn't taste like it so we we didn't know was going on and we were like that was probably a really bad idea. This was a while ago now so I remember the full details. There's also you know it might have brain damage so I get but I we ate way too much of it truly tasted like gasoline Basel. We're really cheap over like I'm not I'm not gonNA waste too. Yeah and then but then we call my dad naturally published rows and he was like. That's that's probably it's not good. Go try to throw up as serious. And he's like. I got the WHO know turned out that they had just redone and the floors there which I think I knew but they kept the cakes in its little refrigerator and the paint thinner or paint some kind of thinner on us or something some kind of thinner migrated up into the cake. Jake gnarly so we ate a bunch of paint thinner. Oh Yeah we didn't get higher which connor proud of you know since he wants to go into government stuff he can't engage but if it's accidental. What can you do certain? Yeah Yeah Yeah. So we told them. Obviously we call them more like like Yo. Don't let people have that cake. That's bad back going do that. And they're like next time you come in. We'll give you a free piece cake. You we know who you are and I'm mad about this. We only did it once. We could have gotten freak for life back tomorrow. Be like Yo I freak freak eight. I was told today into you. Yeah but we did at once. What am I gonNa do it? I feel too bad. Okay one. I'm for one I'm fine. You know what I mean. Yeah Yeah Okay get back. I don't remember where I was. You couldn't your food gas. Yeah they wouldn't let me my food by try to smell gas not really love this. It's it's a tough oh I love it. It's bad because the cake L.. Since I was a baby I don't know Yeah Baby Narc left. It didn't always make left a great faltering homeless muffins. Yeah I've got tissues. That's what I'd always fall asleep in the car but then when we got to the gas station said like the birds were Cherbourg. I loved him smell L.. So banker you okay. All the stress is do you know I can. I can get behind that. Yeah I think it's the the like burning gas smell that I'm not a fan of that's fair enough. The WHO when aflame once see. That's what my main concern was. Aflame is not good. I was so afraid that that's what was going to happen so I crawled out of the car which was up in the air. Basically Pictures GNARLY. It was wild so glad you're OK. Guatemala the worst that I had was shammas as the juice like I. I had bruises from the seat belt and that was a airbag moment. I did in the smoke from the airbag scary a little bit just to tied at. PSA at their air bags eggs have smoke when they come out. That's good to know like momentarily. I didn't know that until yesterday really I said thank God I found this out for some reason. My my dad's been really bad car accident. No no sorry a longtime over for talking about that yesterday and you don't smoke them there your air bags with by the way it's like. Okay Billy deflate a little bit over time so like maybe it's something coming out like you know like a gag the box it's the thing opens and then they just like go so you go back you have to get a new one put in. I think so maybe a when it happened close close the lease me would never never but yeah it was. It was wild. Yeah and so I am glad to have you here thank you you deserve a new car. Yeah I mean it was a pretty new car truck. No yeah we I feel like you've had birth. Okay so I did. We have always had a truck in my family since birth and and this one we had since twenty seven team. I think Misused he was like twenty fifteen by you know I had like no mileage on it whatsoever. You know I took really good care of it until that's restricting my best friend. Mary told her car Christmas boarding really. Yeah a long time ago. Yeah but she did I. It's funny. Yeah actually I think she was traumatized but it's kind of funny. Yeah she's been loved to. Hopefully he's running right out of those. Yeah she run therefore maybe met now. She has the list of this mega mega love. That I'm trashing Ashgar sister but I remember so Marian Highschool got in the was hidden but like barely it was on the highway was like like. She went boop to the car in front of her and there was no damage or anything and she freaked out. 'cause she's like Seventeen Joshi continued continued. Odds right she like chain plane and the woman followed very to her house. She's got Beihai where we're doing all this stuff. Well that's crazy. I've never had a lot literally. Nothing has no damage. That's too to much. Yeah thinking too. Yeah crazy crazy people all right well Clothes should we Khloe into right. So stick with us here I will remind you do so yesterday. Eight to just go back to the very very beginning here yesterday or no yesterday. Saturday this is the only happened to be two days ago. Saturday and I was at the local coffee shop. Doing my thing and cute hat. Thank you it was a very good. Thank you so much. And Doc Khloe and Jemma her your sister and her husband came in and which was a wonderful surprise and Jemma said what clay just had the biggest news like of all time. That's happened to her and I said of course I was very curious. Yes as to what could have happened but being where I was they did not have the time to tell me what had happened. And so when picked up Khloe for the movie Yeah Birds Prey. And you're you're ruminating all day. Yes I was when I hear about so busy I was gonNA alert believe it. It was so busy in the show. Yesterday was one of the busiest times of patent maybe entire coffee shop career. IOS need of those breakfast balls. I know they're they're good right. Nobody else nobody buys them so no. They're they fly off. The show was really good and they're like can eat are they. It'll hurts the. It's like almost like a granola fruit. Anything in a ball form. That is edible. I love so very guy. The price is at Cup of jail are very reasonable much more so than most places you know but and there's no chemicals that will kill you in them no painter. Hey too but it's a very small cool filling but very small anyways but it was more we had a line of about about twenty drinks for about four hours straight says it was it was a time but anyways so luckily during that time I was completely distracted so I was. It's not that was not on my mind but it's Khloe magnet together. You're pregnant picks you up for the movie and You told me. Yeah I saw Timothy Xiaomei couple and we got married and now Al We don't access to the junior but we don't do that. Sorry I got new chairman. Further away but I don't WanNa say it again. My Son's story all the tie right. You're really locked okay. Briefly on short of it not okay. The long and short of it is. I'm totally fine. Do External Forces. I know that my body is like girl. DICAMBA COBB. You're crazy but this actually had very little to do with that. Do to a ineptitude 's my uh my it's so dramatic you can say it's dramatic. I like can't say so stupid. Stupid stupid okay. uh-huh okay in short and very short for about what four and a half minutes Khloe Dodge. She's here now Hi You're hearing that we love it could yeah. You could be a ghost. I don't know but you did officially die for four and a half minutes. Approximately right. Yeah but but luckily you officially. Oh that's right there's a big actual cover-ups did you said it wasn't even wrestling which nothing that is so unfair like if you die for a few minutes it should be dior. Yeah like that should be like a a you can do when they told my mom. She fainted he woke up and she said Beth map of her life. Well at least if he got some bad she got some sleep they tried to God. Was it called not commit. That's for if you're Was I called on my dad's admit her. Oh Oh yeah. They tried to admit her trying to be like. Oh you're fine to me crazy. The fact that they didn't do any follow up stuff. That's that's what I signed. I did side of things you might read but but that never happened. You have to sign that for everything. You're not supposed to actually die. They're like of course the the they make like this has ever happened But look what happened. Yeah I they always make my grandma always says I wanted a billion New York. I'd love to see her. That's what I WANNA baser says. You should not wish to be `obedient but she says you don't like being around people usually. Yeah think of how many more you're going to have to deal with your medium term. Just come natural the time that's true. I don't want that superpower. Yeah well now I told you also last night. No I'm pregnant now so the feeling I had congrats if tiny twenty. When I heard that you had died I was at the very moment horrified because I thought to myself the last conversation I would have had employees would have been a heated argument over Taylor this I I would have hated to bend? The last reported conversation. Between my life would have hated. It would have been a crushing feeling. Yeah does every episode with a complement to one another. Probably a good really nice way but I am very well we do anyway. Doughy a little bit but still I would has been very upset if that's how it's true t swizzle Henry to do oh cool I'm on my own and why I donate her swifty now. Sorry Okay I. I'm sorry okay documentary. I don't care about. I used to love her. I love her. So this is a sordid tale a source of this. Yes I used to be such such a big fan and I feel like she sold out. Alcan maybe watched it. I threw away her artistic integrity and also just despise her the whole like. Oh my gosh. I'm snake his look what you made me do. It's it annoys me so much and like going after people. Oh who likes her music and stuff like that and like charging people and like being after the money like I understand what's due to you noticed. Yeah 'cause is like artist you deserve fair pay but also like don't go after the little people go after the big guys fair. She tried by. I just don't like her whole attitude and maybe I'll watch it if you think it. Yeah I mean I check it out. I do because I've never really liked her. I never attached to her music. Still don't really like I like the like want to tell like giant Naf just took his voice out and put hers in but I would I will watch it for you. Thank you did they ever did. They do that thing where you can speed things up or did they knicks that after the. I don't know everyone was salty about it. Also we all all want it this way up thing on Netflix. I don't want that I don't want to watch a movie at one point. Five speed what you move. But I want to watch like documentary Steph because I don't have the if I'm watching a video on youtube kids going to either one point. Yeah it's going between one point five the two seconds every once in a while skip. I don't skip. I'd just speed it up with five seconds and then I'll go back if I like miss something integral. Yeah 'cause I just process things vast. I think he's just got talk so fast and I have to rely on like the subtitles so like if if it's going too fast oh shoot. Yeah like me what I did the weather the funniest moment of my life I have to find that tape deep the VHA insurance HSA tape. I have to I think my dad has. It's the best thing you'll ever see in your life converted. It's instagram. It's amazing stuff off the best video on Instagram is at you guys should could you into grand probably. Have you seen the video of her. Put thing the Action Talk About It because I pee myself every time I watch it. I'm not kidding sorry. TMI Henry. I'm so so that's fine every pass that it's true. Yeah I mean we talked with each other while you're peeing Sealy's the other day that's true. Yes that's true interesting but he wasn't in the room. It's just adore girl thing. We've all the net. Oh I mean that's fine. I don't have anything against it. Yeah he's I saw the weirdest King Harsha the weirdest invention. Yesterday avid farmers market in front of the hospital. Farmers Market in the Parking lot of the hospital okay is he goes bro. Have you know that is a very odd. Could like creation theory hillsborough. It's supposed to help how people urinate. But it's like woodworking. It's very weird anyway side. Note what do you do with the way. It's not for my people okay. Yeah it's kind of mirror on it. Yeah my brother-in-law made the mistake of asking what it was owner. Oh now I said Oh. Let me go get that guy to tell you. Yeah Dawn Stars. Yeah what was I talking about. No no alleys. Videotape yourself is the best thing the world also very close us to like her little brother's sweetest person alive because she is her older his older sister. And it's a video so you have to find it. She posted. I think like every year on his birthday or something and then playing outside on their driveway and it doesn't go well. It's it's funny like it's the funniest video this really bad for the. I'm sorry this is Michael Entertainment for people who don't know what I'm talking about. But it had everybody wants to be cemented in history this video. She basically like she's you know those little like we have them at the preschool still their longest longest lasting toys in the world the like cars with the yellow roofs and the orange BIOS classic classic so bruce her little brother brother in it I think their own. Oh He's a freshman. She's twenty two so whatever they're like four years apart right Um Anyway should know the worship twenty three. She's a lot younger than me. But she's twenty three. Okay so sorry anyway that clarification threes so that would be but anyway so sorry youngest in my friend group okay so anyway so she I guess she you put like a rope on it to like making fun for him to use his legs whatever and just like she whip that they may accident and he did fly. King is recorded right. So it's a mom heather who's a trip. She's amazing recording through the window witnessing hitting they just like and it's like heather just laughing hysterically. It's amazing MHM Society. There's way too much. I love the reenactment. Yeah that's real life real life real death moment all right well off so many the jokes who can make now I just constantly my God. Don't ask me what I saw when I was dead. Okay you you you will like it okay I think I asked you. What did you see what squat I wa? Aw nothing yeah but I wasn't feeling it. You know what I mean home run. Yeah you're doing. Your thing could very a wealthy by the way you want to well. I came back the way I wanted to divert to a table like Frankenstein. It's shut a seventy degree angle. which is super weird right? But it's like almost better seventy strapped up. I was like I really don't want to take that like this guy. I have really low. Blood Pressure Likes Day via all. Right guys you really have to pressure. This is my good shows. The night yeah done died and I woke up fell asleep. Oh Oh I'm sorry I think I feel sleep and their faces you yeah. They thought that like these Tina Ghost. Yeah well but also a ghost they would have been put in jail for maybe thirty on track but as it were but yet to be on their conscience attention is still is. She wrote out in hives lady. Wow could I chewed her out because she tried to tell me that it didn't happen. She said she's I had episode so even though she narcolepsy weather have that type. I don't do that FIBRIN. Also you just told me you told me my heart stopped. That's not part of it. I'm just so lucky lucky. y'All are if I had a little bit of brain damage. I won't talk so much. Probably close we love hearing from you. Oh Yeah Yeah. Put my hand in a bucket. Ice is a very odd day. Well yes Ma'am just want to give your Mama Hug me too gosh darn it. I was livid I would be too. That's why I was so upset and I think I told you in the movie last night like you're so tough I know you're fine. I know you would be fine but like your mom Tom. I know camelot. It's got to be passed out and they did a tangled up taking care of her as well. Don't give crackers use gluten free. The the worst fat apparently no doubt frigging scissors in A. Let's move on. This will all be in the core. Who who witnessed should we stream it for the the court session? That would be amazing. That would be amazing. Yeah I'm going to be on a jury I'll do that. Yeah now and again I was on real jaded fake jury duty with the boy. I'm in love with Q.. Maybe we'll see in so romantically. Not but that's the plan both put on the jury by this guy who wants to marry me really. Oh yeah main. Classic Romantic Romantic comedy. That's my forget. Life is all this everyone always says. Wow that's like a movie. It's a drama. It is 'cause I never get the season. Finale were amazing where he admitted his love with me or something like that. Just come back to life. I Got Blue Lips abson gray skin and I don't feel like I wanna go skydiving or anything very annoyed by that. I should go do things now. I mean I'm a nice person. The really good show US Mantha who I love the Hutu classic. Have you watched him at the Hill Christine. And you'll love it. Watch it. She woke up from her tonight. Why be a good person? I'm ready. Okay no yeah. Maybe you're just you're happy with the person that you are and what you're doing so yeah I don't think he should be weird at all. Yeah supposed to go on a dude. I don't think so because I died out of your life. You're already already doing the stuff that a bad person would say. I need to be doing this so I am during a party. You are an awake. Yes we'll give everybody a moment to think but no yeah I would wanna go back to normal life if if I were you so I don't think that's is to strange. You know pop on the office I did very did. I did watch episode the officer the best. I watched a rabies episode. But I think my favorite episode and this is a surprise to me as well. Those Ryan started the fire. I just love. There's no reason she my favorite. I didn't really like that song. I watched the convict. Yes that's a good one where there's prison Mike Doc Mike so all right well before we get too far down that road. I think we probably jump in. Let's get into our I review. which is birds of prey and we have a clip? Let's take a lesson. I WANNA kill you because without the joke around and I can while you're no ways and luster just a a silly little girl with no one around protector. Wait don't tell me how seriously I mean we can figure out. Hey you lost something right. It was something I heard you say. A diamond Yeah I can help you find it seriously. I know the east end better than anybody. You want this time. If that I'm your gal she works at a movie theater especially frigging timberline. Which I ever line of you know? I wish I had seen what her favorite movie was. I wish I had because it's all I looked it. It changes a new one. Okay but I can't remember as long as you let us know if you listen. Maybe we actually. We should tell her about next advertiser frequently timberline. We should tell her next time we see her and all right well. Berta pray is directed directed by Cathy. Yan and it stars Margot Robbie Rosie Perez Mary. Elizabeth winstead journeys small at Bell. Ewan you and McGregor my guy. Danny Kass Delano Wong. Gandhi Cast Ilana Breath and the Synopsis Is. After splitting with the joker. Harley Quinn joins superheroes Black Canary Huntress and Renee Montoya to save of a young girl from an evil crime. Lord this is the worst one yet. I wrote Lewis Henry. I'M GONNA one way war with as much as I hate. Synopsis was realism by. Yeah okay think of it this way to me too shallow May. AH WE'VE BEEN MARRIED FORTY five years. Okay that's how real it is to me to He. He hasn't been raised to this reality at this. This says the same as my fight with. IMDB's terrible synopses there's a long time that was the worst thing that was maybe the worst one yet. Everything the presentative of the movie. Because that's not what they did now know it's out there trying to collect the group today thing which also so I've very big quality. The trailer they worked together at the very trailer get zero stars. Yeah I love the trailer but me too. But it's the wrong movie. Yeah why you thought the patient slow because of the trailer guaranteed not set up a narrative. That was totally different than the movie itself. Yeah that's fair. Even that's why I said yes. Oh Yeah Gee I did not notice we. It was like how dare you think we had with three other groups jobs in the theater or maybe four and within the first hour we had two of them leave those the first time in ages that have had anyone like why six exp people especially. Yeah especially more than people that the yeah but weird of all the movies that people don't walk out of getting I didn't get into it but that was really surprising to me. I thought they were moving because I was laughing too much and stuff. No the biggest realization. My have come. Yeah this movie is that as much as I want to say that. I'm like a black canary. I think it's clear that everyone in the room Harley Quinn a yeah and I didn't realize that they don't know how to feel about it. Let's cool any area. Don't fret but also I should say showed you the shirt I heard I bought. Yeah happened to buy a very highly quench okay. It was a bargain and one thing. I want to mention so listener your question. We have this week kind of relates to. I think what will probably be talking about with both movies and so at some point during the review. I'll re read it just so we're not relating ourselves but anyways what did y'all think of birds of prey. I plot twist enjoyed myself so much I loved it. I was laughing the whole time. I think you're walking. I agree beautiful. Yes the visuals visuals. Israel's were ridiculous design lighting costumes. Gosh were out of this world. Oh my gosh. Every single fulltime you and McGregor was on screen. It was a one up of the previous costume very well said and there were tied like Oh my God the accessories the Castelo. Everyone's costume was so really looked. Amazing the all time and not an obnoxious and like overuse. That were sexually abused way. That was very big. Yeah exactly compare notes on movie. I would have liked see day. Cash Lana Kelt. I'd like to take a leather health. Yes the character with the cutting the. I've never seen Moore our told Henry. I made them uncomfortable. I've never seen anymore chemistry on screen. That we danny and UN or the sandwich and those are the two Great Romances Romances of this movie. Cash Alonzo immigrated I want to you and I said I kept saying I and you were like we can feel it. Even if they don't we can feel it. Yeah it was there because if they went there they weren't closures. Ray Ah okay. It wouldn't be a pack. No it would be intense. It'd be more than rated R.. Probably for their vibe. But I mean it would have been like Angelina Jolie and Billy Bob Thornton von Dame. We don't want it. Why would that be? That'd be weird for me to hear. No no sweet child's classic masculine. This is a was. I called talks toxicity. Thirty killing DOC talks skill entity. We know you know what girls look like calm down. I'm just saying yeah. I've seen one the jokes in that movie. That was it was really okay. I'm so sorry I'll focus really quickly super well written like I said I thought it was really witty like the dialogue really. How had me gassed loved that? And then I liked the way. It was framed up. It was a little bit. I think I turned to you and said what is this. Memento Tarantino slow. Oh yeah okay. Yeah I could have done without all the memento stuff. That's okay you know. I am just I. Would've I played straighten fine but I liked how they did it nonetheless. I loved how Okay let's take. I think this is not a fully. You know I'm worried. What about violence? I apprec- A I appreciate it. How little like violence violence there was? Is that weird weird. 'cause there was a lot okay to me. It was like not like was like Gordon stuff like when she went in there she was compared to like deadpool. Yeah and he'll never ever. There was very little murder. There was also by the way no killing very not like that. No killing of civilians Noah uh with gratuitous. Yeah Duff all over the place gratitude and I love being what I mean. There were like car slipping over because you know what I mean. Yeah it was an six underground. No no for God's sake exactly are you see that no. I'm not going shocking for me Henry. I died okay. More upsetting more more confusing using to to the fabric of my existence. Six hundred ground. Well I like didn't blink the whole time. No joke this is Michael. They probably don't blink. Yeah good episode doctor who sorry I know you're not in the world classic anyway. That's you should work on that. But and you will Andy Robert Shoot whatever ORLANDS. Oh Yeah I know I know I know I know I know I know but also they don't make her act to be. There's lots I liked about it but I really liked which is walking through the police station. Numbers the confetti gun comma wasn't just confetti. It was okay and beanbags. Forgot lived for it also the fighting to this movie incredible and they were so. You're so no real really good. It was atomic blonde level for cocaine and these might be more enjoyable. 'cause they were shorter and also just the whole movie. The tone this movie nailed tone yes is really oppress new. The tone that it wanted it committed fully. Yeah and I think it's because it's there's not a I guess just because of the whole like Margot Robbie really made this movie happened like she actively wanted her production company like her baby. which I think think plays a huge role in a wireless so like to me wants? This movie is like is like the chaotic like A. I WANNA say email. But I can't and the like the chaotic chaotic alternative older sister of Lady Bird who has her period every day of. Yeah yes I see that. That is my review like this movie made me feel seen in ways that I was not prepared I feel like they made this movie for me. Specifically as a person amazing no one else and even down to like given given some really kick into she a hair. Tie Forgiveness Guy. That's all I didn't make it like liberal. We did so nobody these obnoxious miss it. It's like L.. Just like his hair tie. She put her hair up like a thing and we do that. We always hear ties on her wrist to give to chip people because we listen. Yes my friends and Winston Salem taught me if you double wrap it around a finger like it doesn't lay aikoff circular circulation. Like if you wear on your really doing that now in like you forgot about it because you forgot when you're wearing race so recommend very Eh around a finger right now. I'm being basic. I'm very into the return to the scrunchy because I never left scrunchy so you're fully embracing. I'm really happy about it. Yeah but I look basic right now but I've always like it's bashing. I've always wanted some shelves crunchies. So get some in the match. Do I can give you some. I haven't no. My family is Weird I have. Og Sell them to like like a visco girls for Italian dollars. Original like I've 'cause I used to wear tons of scrunchy the butterfly clips and stuff when I was teeny win because I was obsessed with babies by some Jimbo is my hair and I have like so many original butterfly clips like well. I cycle of first addition butterfly clip for and. I don't know why that came up. And he also got the set design was just beautiful. It was so successful like everything was like popping but it seems so effort grabby just like the whole thing I think just like they had a plan going in with like real intentions. Almost what I'm in. And they never made her like she was like a real person she was. You could stick with her because because she didn't actually have like unlike mean motivations per se sure also very relatable her issues and they weren't like Confetti shot is that the word glorify whatever the whole thing of like needs met like whatever like it also didn't downplay the fact that like romance has upset her leg they didn't make it out to you this thing like like. Oh she's invalid because she's upset about this break up it's like they treated her emotions. Respect wash the healthy relationship. jags matic and she's doing the right thing and moving on but she's still upset about it. And that's the only one of those Harley. Quinn is chaotic neutral. Yeah Which shows like big with knocking influence is making Matt Worth Worthy as opposed to? She kept saying like Oh. I guess I'm a bad person. Yeah but with but then which is also chaotic. Good people who'd people they eleven positively. Yeah and I love the way. They ended the movie only which I will get into into. I loved that there wasn't like I loved that. They kept her like kind of chaotic neutral. Ish Ashish process. Yeah you know what I mean real. Let's have another one because she wants to be three with poison ivy really. Yeah she wants. It's poison Ivy Debbie and it because their girlfriends. Oh she's like pushing to make that happen. Okay give us give us poisoning. Oh Oh my favorite character. So Halloween runs which is so weird. I can see that though. I mean Megyn also. She's never I guarantee into she can tell her like poison ivy real name. It was just like that aesthetic fits her while she liked plants and stuff is definitely more of like it's actually hard nevermind I take back my statement. Yeah but no. I'd my favorite thing about it. Also of course Mugabe's powerhouse like she's it holds a DAB every she's a true. Harry looks at Love Right now. It's cute she's a Im Two she's adore. She's true a EH. No truly she's made for it and she embrace it like she's an actress like she's so beautiful. Yeah but she's not like celebrity wasn't Margot Robbie exactly as actually and she made the movie so very well could have been the Mugabe fired. It could have been a vehicle and it wasn't exactly which I really don't. Sometimes I love. I love watching Mir Margulis in Staunton in Tilda swinton in but this wasn't Margot Robbie right in the personal reminds me very much which is like Nicole Kidman. Maybe it's that Australian water. It makes you very beautiful talented and a down to earth focused us. Who knows you nailed it right there? MOBBING number one funny number to know actually bureau design number. Two like costumes. Assads ascended the. Kill me the number three so funny funny it made me feel like a psycho. But that's okay especially the re. I feel like that was the reason why you would regret your doesn't like Harley Quinn I lost my that was amazing. Wow Henry what about you I feel like Khloe and I sort of back and forth. I share my feelings. Loved it every minute. I'm going to buy the BLU ray. Oh thank you the minute it comes out when you're GONNA get Gretel and how he loves I love it. I've seen it twice now. Those two movies are my two favorites right now. Okay tied to favorite movies of twenty twenty. Whoa what's my favorite we twenty? Oh no no gene forgotten. Twenty twenty remind. Yeah Chris I can't keep up with your New Year okay. Mine's September. Yeah let's see. What did you think of it Henry? I I looked at Quite a bit as well. I don't want to repeat everything but pretty much everything that you to said. I think it does uh-huh it looks really good and I enjoy. Just I think the Harley Quinn character just has a really fun kind of colorful anarchism tour and just this carefree punk. But it's also kind of endearing and again I think Margot Robbie is amazing and perfect for the character and wonderful. I liked the the dialogue when it came to character dynamics. I thought that there was at times. A lot of exposition position at that. There were sequences that kind of got bogged down a little bit. Just because there's so much information being thrown at you but I thought that all of the character dynamics and that was was great so I didn't have an issue with that the soundtrack very good. Oh totally forgot to say khloe dancing. The whole time pappas gases favorite song is in it and all the songs that were for the ozone. Sir what was it. The song was re song was really good. Oh they songs together authors their time Sir. Girls love diamond sequence. Oh Oh I had to blast. Henry liked it if it was like deal. Opera Voice Lake Voice. I think it was somebody else singing. Do you know and hatheway style roar. Get frigging Cindy lauper. D- Can you wait. Wait can and we have a way. Is the same offer. Her mom is a whole thing that she has never mom. Yeah maybe she can be a beginning. She talked about how her traded her for beer. Whatever yeah oh my gosh we need cindy lauper to be her mom Antony lauper wrestler as well? She can choose which is so weird but she can do the fight scenes. She should be. Okay if I'm Harley Quinn like Cindy lauper is Simpson. Okay right. Oh my word yeah. It's a needed dynamic revolution. It is also. That kid was not a good actor. That was the one kid in. It is pretty bad actual kid which I appreciate appreciate. I heard she skipped school to go to Khan. He's in high school. I'd just enjoyed spending time. With Harley Quinn just her at the forefront front especially when it comes to the kid. I wish that the second half of the movie had been more Harley Quinn bouncing off of huntress and Black Canary instead of spending time with the kid which may be if the performance had been better by her it would be able to. Yeah Yeah I just would have been just so badly. Wanted to spend more time with those three together because that's who the movie's really four. Yeah yeah so that was another big thing because it keeps things going and keeps things pretty wild for the most part but that was my only real big issue I think and again I think that was partially due to the Marketed in marketing. Even the close above her with that unbelievable like unbelievably we moving sadness and when you actually see the movie like word but like it's just so misleading. I think the marketing and I I hate that. Because I think it just Mus- they don't trust. They didn't like trust the movie with your other over assorted. They don't understand their area knowing exactly because then they made this whole kind of fabricated. Like it's probably the second movie will be like that because I was telling Khloe on the way home I just I find signed issues with these origin stories. That were the movie ends up is where you kind of want it to start to be. You know like where they're training together all that like. That's kind of the movie I WanNa see but I don't like that as this I mean. Also birds of it wasn't really birds of prey until yeah it's just called the amid patient Ju- without the US that bits patient of Harley Court exac whenever I think it's just about setting I think it was like a commercialization portion of it where they're trying to market it pray. Exactly what's more appealing to St guys soon. But yes because like I love again like I compare the lady bird like I like the knows more like movie i WanNa. I want to see all the components. Of course it was like bombastic and crazy and wild and violin and like you know ridiculous ridiculous or a lot and yeah I'm like whatever like gags or stuff as well and all that but at the end of the day it was like Vermeer of something that like we yeah it was amy's storyline in season two sex education. It was all perfectly thank. Yeah so much not agree agree with you completely I it just. This is a movie that I would like to see either way. But I think it's it goes into the formatting and the marketing of the movie and the and so maybe on rewatch that wouldn't be a real issue but I because that's what we've seen suicide squad do her thing and so I kind of want to keep going going down that road but but it wasn't really her thing wasn't but it was still her as the character. Her established shows actually my least favorite part removed from that world. I feel like we didn't need those flashbacks of the other of suicide squad. I don't think so I am very much done with that whole thing. I think everyone knows who the joker is. Everyone knows who Harley Quinn is. We don't need any more than that sorts. Everyone hates jared Leto like just draw like without ought the move on using as well like I didn't feel like I was missing it which is really important like I 'cause I'm very zero percent and the guys I have no idea I've never read like the communist like nausea basically every trip. Sabrina which you know as its own little world blah Biden goes those missing anything until they put in the flashbacks from suicide squads. After hours. Cleveland I asked You I was like wait. Why would you that VAT of whatever shift superpowers are? What's going on like like it's just so disconnected and unnecessary especially the down survey that little cartoon deal at the beginning which I love is like a thing now now the last one we saw they just kept it that we would have liked the movie way more? Oh yeah shoot. That's the crap. It reminded me of Lizzie. McGuire which really happy put a little animated character a love it. We've only seen movies though the movies for the podcast. Yeah together right. I'm thinking back to what we've done. Unbelievable find in any case. That was like I so I feel like the cartoon Hartung like too many forms of weird expedition no good the cartoons. They know no wonder I did remember forgotten. Okay don't waste your time on. Is that the new one. Yeah it is listen to really bad that movies. I told legit from the trailer home. I know we were dragging Limaj Abdu. Excuse me I know. That's the biggest issue issue with the movie There are a lot of issues and I can suspend disbelief until you throw in a dragon and I'm like what pass it dragging honestly really. There's way bigger issues are also just really. Don't like the wonderful world song so over so I could could've told you like from the minute. I heard that it was like. I'm not watching this way too. I think because this is is a part of the the DC cinematic universe with suicide squad and wonder woman all those and I think it does a good job of being S- pretty pretty separate and printed also pretty small scale and in a good way to feel like a real town which I thought was cool like Hawaii riding with all the normally dress people it was like whoa. This is cool. This is yeah in. That's one issue with suicide. Squad is the third act is so. CG heavy and bombastic asked that. You're like oh I don't care about the supernatural world all that stuff maybe a single pinch of CGI in this movie like it was all very little. That's what I'm saying. I think it was very is. Yeah Yeah like only unavoidable. Cgi Gi basically which again I think is what they've learned from suicide squad because that's so. CG Heavy I love that even like the main plot points are very like unreal. Like it's not this forgetting what the thing called the glove of making people disappear with your magic gemstones. It was called the Infinity Michigan to me. Okay so like what the heck you're talking about. trickles Hashtag relatable plot. Wise is which I think is very helpful as well because when everything's so crazy to ground it makes the characters that much more relatable Uganda's unas embrace them because they actually are being different. You're not showing US like a different escapist university. Obviously I'm not saying Harlequins should be a role model. Okay she's but but slowly excite you take my point there are really strong role model female carers who are also like having like their actual. They're all oh really relatable like they're all struggling with different things in their lives and I could. I could relate to almost every character victor In this movie I was like I understand what you're going through. Yeah it's it's as grounded as it could be a lot more relatable joker now have you seen joker I have. It is technically separate from these movies. But but what okay. What did you think I actually stanfield is all I want I so I'm not? I hate the jokers character. Okay so going in. I'm already like ready ready to make me like it. Just try and I thought it was fine. I don't think it was what everyone was making it out to be ebbing awards baby It was not fantabulous. Right emancipation of one Harley Quinn. Ever was low key it would have been Aleki. Stanfield has joker like goodbye leto. Yeah I don't want him replaced. I don't WanNA replacing Joaquim. I want looking at replacing jared because those two. That'd be Sega and actually in my mind I was sort of imagining like Ho. What if this was like in the same universe as joker when we were watching birds of prey I was like I wonder imagine if she had been with Joaquin? Arcane instead of jared jared is such a mess as a person so his jokers already a disaster too. So it's about came as well. I'm not a fan of I agree with nick performances. Either so it was not my favorite movie handed it. It's the only the only joker I've ever liked is mark. Hamill McCarty a faster. Love that man. Wow the only one you've ever like. Yeah No Heath Jack Nicholson Jack Act. Nicholson wow that's a heartache. Yeah I didn't like Heath Ledgers Joker. I'm sorry Jack Nicholson don't like Jack. Nicholson very very much divisive hot face when they sent me wake up. No this is the face when they saw let me die probably. Actually you don't like or dislike him. I'm just not for me. Have you seen massacre. That was my first thought. We had it all to me. Everybody we can. Oh my God just wasn't for me. Yeah that's fiver. Of course she's although I'm just saying like Michelle Pfeiffer Lombardo Organi she. She really hated the costume. which makes me upset Michelle? Yeah Shit like we gotTA stop. Overly sexualizing women. And that's another reason why I love. Birds Defy yeah look like you know what I mean like Mugabe clearly want it like this is really minor thing and also different people of course but I liked the whole competition about like coverage agent legs because you know like Margot Robbie as they test those down right If it was me out at zipped up I'm trying to run around but obviously she chose two different. It's different Michelle Pfeiffer of your you know what I mean exactly and this. I'm so glad she didn't have to wear a stupid booty. Shorts like God. God that's what the difference of having attacked a woman costume designer. You're someone who and an woman directing. Yeah well it's it's just ended women who are wearing the clothes being allowed to talk. Yeah exactly especially when they developed the character basically in this new form but like her letting her brief allow allow out. Her outfit was equally cof- like the clothing mount with the same surprise was Hasian indifferently. That matter she probably wore maybe even less like she was maybe less covered at some point. Because wasn't she doesn't have like really going t shirt. There's some but it's just so different it's purchase ways that it's being used and it's how shot framed. Well said I know. It's not a bombshell situation. Yeah Oh that yeah. That's true. That scene was that team was still so tense. I'm glad you rob had to even think of tie. No the scene in this movie was so tense which want we haven't even talked about what a good Vilma was in this movie got A. Oh my God this is GonNa be the longest known for Deadpool. Okay we can just have toured deadpool because this takes up the whole time. This is amazing. This is is what people are here for anyway when she when you McGregor was insecure I loved how his whole character was built the construction when he was what's most talking about or whatever it is and what she had to get on that and I said I know he's GonNa cut her like sorry which would fit. But you'll see you know what I mean. Basically basically basically you're McGregor forces Very loosely forces and anti. There's a weapon. He's threatening the guy does he. I mean it has. The henchman is right with them to cut his club so like regardless he was he was like just do it like that the dynamic there was pretty real like you don't understand why it's so upsetting in 'cause he was like just do it. The guy was a little passe. About the I'm sorry we haven't the mood doesn't make sense. Basically there's very subtle the subtlety eh nuance is what makes it. So real intense relatable in those really tense moments that again they keep on very Ground I guess yes. I'm Jewish not like realistic level. Let me get so intimidating intense to watch you know what I mean so relatable exactly no it's not at like you know they're they're not grand magical. CGI gigantic battles. You know. Yeah yeah and it's like like emotional torment as well. Usually you just see this. The worst concept like physical violence. There's a lot of emotional violence in this movie. which is what her characters based on what? I'm I was trying to get over through. which is yeah so but God oh my God you McGregor's available with daycare Solano's everything I've ever wanted so sorry it was so this is so good even light and the his room and how they're seeing tip? Oh my shoes shoes gloves. When I saw those shoes I said of course you did? Every Alpha was better than the last I want. I feel like I. Actually I could be wrong. I'm I'm probably wrong because the costumes were designed for the movie. Right has a very similar to that Burgundy wanted the end brand flowers would have killed every one of those outfits. That's literally his wardrobe drop was. Yes Gregory this personality very different very fast article but the wardrobe he would he'd snapped right around but up here I agree with killed. It always such a good all right because he's not too much no until he is. You know what I mean like his voice cracked. There's like. Yeah he's losing his mind but he was like this is this is i. Don't know how to phrase this without time really petty but like again just because we're in this mode I'm thinking about Jay Leno's kind of performances sure like McGregor obviously this role it's like the most Gaudy role of all time right like it's a villain who lives on abundance just like whatever he wants. Anything wants surrounded by abundance. Yeah but so again. It's like Mugabe could miss the Margot Robbie show you mcbrayer. Could've just like I'd when actors are like. Oh I just like so much Ed so much fun like I but he wasn't doing that he was like actually doing his job you know. And that's what made because he went so over the top. You want to take them seriously. In the moment mature was intense like the table scene right and I love at the moment where he was the most vicious bad. Whatever rashly understated exact like the whole is exactly you know the unlike the I don't know how the likes nothing was funny. HASHTAG momentum's but SNOT bubble Isn't it so I mean so good because how evil people are such an arbitrary thing. Yeah and it's a very different vibe. Like that kind of stuff was way more at the beginning. The the more you got newest character the more Quiet the yeah. They formed him really well. Especially 'cause he's like not a known Ryan me. He's not he's not to me either so vail in or whatever so you had a lot more to do especially against all these kind of like iconic make sure and I think what worked was that he wasn't trying to be iconic beat up the screen and they do that. Don't they though the the architect with the person they had in mind for the role they built it around with Sam Rockwell. Oh okay yeah I mean look I ever catch kicked around San Rafael. Yeah I think the issue had even. Oh you like say well he's fine but like another heartache. Oh ooh I think the most underrated actor maybe like of all time. He Soga means being less underrated. Now remember what I was like. Fourteen admitted twitter just to do Hashtag Oscar for Sam for like the way way back like it wasn't even even with what a role he should killer and everything. Yeah but I'm really glad that you McGregor. Yeah because I I. I don't think I can imagine anyone else in the role because you you ended so well. Yeah but I mean I'm sure Sam would have been great. Yeah I saw like them much. I'm very much prefer you McGregor overseeing rothwell just based on kind of superfluous stuff that adds up to matter. You know what I mean. Nestle of like they didn't go over the top with like hair and what role when she cut her hair. I was obsessed. That's tricks me but but no the let's pull out the brand. Maybe burned and flowers leukemia. They had a little picture of him. Being ridiculous your guy liner moment over the past say anybody but when it was like a moving shot or something it revealed itself. We grab each other's hands really eyeliner. Her every look he served cheese where that all the time especially your McGregor. He probably has the leather pants. That's on things. Yes yes. Yes you're still here Lou by. That's okay nobody I was GonNa say I think the issue I like jared Leto as the joker it's ridiculous but in the context of that movie I enjoy it. I don't think it's I would never bad thing. He did arrestable offences to people. Jarad Leto were or joker dumping jared. Hello I love him. It's he like literally assaulted people. Basically but the issue with that in comparing it to the kid is a black mask. Black mask is that since the black mass. I know you did too Jiji obtain the wealthy. The joker has been done so many times that they're always having into one And so in this the character has not been presented in the Ad Live Action Forum to my knowledge and so they can make it. I think we see him like from the back back or something or just like see his hands. Okay when they're like tattooing the guy okay it will. They say he means black mass. Oh okay you're talking. About the joker and birds of prey. They are able to percent him much. More subdued real way because they aren't having to constantly warning designer producers mentality that filmmaker them of saying okay. We've had three three four iterations of joker. We need to do it all over again. How are we going and make it so insane? That stands out. That's the issue is the of what filmmakers think. Yeah so in this. We know they're able to create a a character that is immediately subdued and grounded. Yeah yeah so and I weren't trying to a works well too. Ah especially since Harley. Quinn is already from a design standpoint. She's kind of at the forefront and so he's able to not be too as we said like eat up the screen speaking eating up. I'm so glad that she got her. Boiler pooping out. We actually leave it out because low key. Those highlight the little gopher. Oh Aw I love the Hyena to a big. Oh yes I love that say. She knew Never Batman team. That was good after that. Wing Guy After that wing. She's so good she just pulled it off so unnaturally. It's crazy toward catch. He's so town kid. The like it was not particularly predictable but the parts that were predictable. It felt like you're more like it on it like more self-aware is giving you what you want. It wasn't annoying when you were like like the whole thing when there's moments i Shan't trivial but there are a lot. Oh I bet this is going to happen but it habit. You're like such a good way. Yeah yeah it was never like okay. Great Shock Shocker. Kept to involved. Yeah Yeah I would agree what you brought up. Henry like the angle of presenting them as a real person with the young healthy relationships awareness but also still feeling romantically an emotionally broken in some ways. I thought that worked really well. Yeah really makes her feel much more down to earth and not just surreal caricature. Yeah 'cause like sometimes you know people get messed up over stuff that they know is bad. Exactly exactly and time doesn't mean that your feelings are allocated. Yeah so I think that's really important. Yeah and was done well anyhow however that somebody took advantage of somebody with a clear opening for such kate That transpire right. Yes yeah you know what I mean. Yes and not. Everyone's going to do that. which is also important You know it's all good stuff. I did like how small the world was. I figured it all happened in a block of each at like one block of this tower. Uh I don't know anything about is crazy. Everybody else is like we're snuggling over there. I also feel like we should give a shoutout to what took care to spin. Detective remain on Toyah that storylines quite good internal final. Four t shirt as well okay. It was like my leader part. Just because I was like you can turn it into out Ma'am regardless to her storyline or alive. All these people were working based on very intrinsic Reasons they not Harley Quinn the whole time but she she got there. She figured out her reasons. I saw a severe cool. Yeah he got close up He got a couple of close ups for him. Is this genus friend. Yeah Cool Yeah. He's very nice. He's been on the covers of vogue and stuff like other countries as a model with a famous person. But Still Amado Dope all right. Well anything else left it gray hey freedman oh adenoid could be free and now. I'm glad I enjoyed it like way more well. I knew that I was going to enjoy it but I didn't expect to enjoy it that much. Yeah yea which was really nice. Yeah and wasn't surprised. Yeah exactly exactly I and I know I. I hope it down to hypocritical as far as the violent and stuff I think like no. No you know like Tarintino open about like my. I think it depend on the way in which it presented and certainly not glorify. I wouldn't say no violence. It's like you're going into this little unhealthy microcosm of a world in every way secret. Gotham is a disaster right right and it is grounded but again it feels like this little smell like smoke. Love as opposed to like joker was clearly like in like Brooklyn. Yeah I mean yeah I know you know why I didn't get that but it was presenting it as a real rundown city Ala this movie. No one joker no that ship New York. I think I saw some of my relatives but also playing everything I mean. It was clearly year but also that movies. OBI's trying to be even in more of a reality than this. That's what I'm saying. That's sorry that was The that was towards the movie. Not Toward you. Okay but I apologize nonetheless. No the what. You're so much is that it's like real world. The violence is incredibly visceral realistic Maroon and happens a bit more than I'd like it to anyway away. Sure Mecca. Yeah also why. Don't bring Barbara streisand into this than we ever talked about that. No seeing send in the clowns these like Frat Boy Wall Street boys on the for you. They wouldn't know that song aren't not for no no she doesn't approve shares. You leave her out of it. I don't want no part of that. She wants to part of Robert Redford. The Nets it imagine blame Barbra streisand. Instead of Jay Hoods and cats. Can you imagine so. I just WanNa movie where it's Barbra. streisand is the original Jay Hudson cads and now she's found this other low jink. Okay what do they call it. And maybe they open megabrothel terrorist. Please all in saying uh-huh Barbra streisand back in the movies. What are they called those cats? Joel's Jellicoe Chinky Goal anti-gay all right well at five. I'm wearing I've been and my reviews to similar lately this image in my head but it involves cake again. I don't even eat cake. Maybe that's why on my reviews of things. I like like above cakes. I don't really eat it very you know what I mean fantasy something like that. Were very aesthetic cake. So this movie what I I picked Go for a six year. What I picture Candelabra full-on but not annoying as I say addressing of a good example like oversight candelabra like the real deal? And it's kind of fits the mood. It's not there to be like look what I have. So that's overhead change we're like Stage with a life turnoff case. So there's like the cycle go slate. They're like one light. Slight so spotlight is coming out over this candelabra realistic the camera out. The candelabras live right. Right right no candles like I'm talking just just the things show no practical use then. Small table various baseball table. Little one almost like a store. Maybe a store wouldn't store and then there's a hecker chief solid color but you can tell it's nice. I mean US almost like a little tablecloth on this little stool. It's a tall stool though. Sorry is it tall stool staw. Okay you may mean again you see okay my house okay perfect. So then. There's the Scotland it and the wind almost kind of places that there. And then it's like a editing trick all of a sudden POPs up on a little saucer Allo cupcake and it looked kinda cocaine. The color of the wrapping matches the scarf Almost writes a little grayer higher. Then it's a it's a vanilla cupcake right okay and then the frosting. I also see us vanilla at the moment element or something on the inside. Well what's on the inside and I don't even know how you know then cut to just cut to okay actress somebody holding it from the side like a What do you call that? Like a profile shot whatever profile close up and they bite right into it. There's just pours out glitter. And then they smile at they're all over there. T. and then that's it and I do picture Margot Robbie Ravi now. I do pick your house like glitter on her lips. Now it's just a smiling and the cookie just turn and smile let it okay interesting. You know what I mean. Yeah the company tastes good. I'm sure it's a very floral cupcake like the glitter. You're not edible glitter. It doesn't matter. Oh I didn't even say just go last saying to me it's like Rainbow Glitter. It's like full honor. Ramos said that like from the police station say yes. And she's wearing she'll suggest. Grab like an actual person. Jason Normal like blonde everything basically just like that dress in the gloves. That kind of deal like her Maryland moments. It's a four and a half for me. It's a five Yes I'm buying that blue I also I mean Basically give it a five with like numbers equivalent. Yeah all right. Well let's move on. Let's get into our Retro Review. which is deadpool? I pull from two thousand sixteen. WHOA WHOA baby to shoot your whole lot? tight Vanessa. Wait what's a nice place like you doing girl like this. That best apologize before that. Say the magic words fact Gandalf. I'm sorry I don't have filter between brain a month ago. Okay how Ho Ho Ho Ho Kuna. His todd sorry. You're not go. Go cast dispel after she nice perch index. So you I'm fuzzies as for money. Yep Childhood rougher Than Yours Daddy left before I was born daddy left before I was conceived had a cigarette but on your skin. Where else do you put? When I was molested BITTU uncle uncles they took turns? I watched my own birthday party through the Keyhole of lockport also which also happens to be in your bedroom lucky. I slept in a dishwasher. Box shredded dishwasher. I didn't even know sleep. It was pretty much twenty. Four seven ball gags Brownie mixes on all right well. Deadpool came out in two thousand sixteen. Tina's we said and is directed by Tim Miller and it stars Ryan Reynolds screen screen screen thing it screen screen Green Marina Charen. TJ Miller Brianna Hildebrand Stefan Kappa Chick. And that's about it I think and this is where the Nike listed. Yeah I'M A SYNOPSIS IS A wise cracking mercenary gets experimented Ermotti on and becomes immortal but ugly and set. That's out to track down the man who ruined his looks very accurate. Yeah that would be. Yeah well those deadpool wrote that himself actually probably known well. This one came out couple years ago and was a massive success and we of course have had the the sequel and make sure check out the our review of that way back. When can learn? Well what did you think. Did you see this when it came out. Now Khloe were you. Were there opening night. I'm sure now I saw deadpool tune theaters. Oh probably for the bike. F- uh-huh. Yeah no I like just watched it at that scene it okay interesting. Yeah in the second one not really liked the humor. Don't think it's humorous. And most of the time. I'm going to remember what I said about at the time. So watch this. Just be the opposite. I'm sure I loved it. I did love it I I don't like it. It's not my stick and I also I really didn't like this one because like the plot was so annoying like he sold annoying thing. Get over yourself seriously your face really like I get it. I get it seriously I get it. I was killed by somebody two days ago. I get it right yeah. That's Ed like Lulu on with Life Bra. It really wasn't that bad just like disfigurements. Slow to really rude to people have differences in New Orleans buyers and they tend to be more painful than what you're like you feel fine. Why now you know what I mean? Your body's regenerating itself. I'm on my little soapbox here. Thank you for doing for both of us. Take no cable. I feel like it's like two soap boxes. And you're on the taller one and I'm sorta like Olympics near your gold medals. That's fine cloy like why people are here. I can't I like cannot even with him. Not I mean his motivations. I couldn't get behind. Yeah they're student also. It really bothered me that he didn't talk to his fiancee for like two years because he thought that she would judge him based on her low on his looks and not love him in. It's so dumb because like y'all we're going to get married Shan loves you dude. How dare you put her through that emotional turmoil? Yes I hated that I forgot about that. I think that's why I dislike the worst. Yeah well I mean it really bothered me the whole movie. I was like where she in all of this is he not what's going on. Why is he living in the movies? Yeah let's she even therefore now sexual give him a boyfriend. Sure I like the dude a low fake little knockoff Hulk Colossus Yeah. Yeah when he's my guy that's about money. Yeah here's our girl Briana Hildebrandt. She's she was not bad. Yeah Yeah Veria no rich. I agree the blind lady I could think of the when she came on was when they made him like a baby. I really did like that. That was uncomfortable. I still haven't seen the second second one so I need to. I've had people tell me about it. My cousin loves moments. Yeah have you if if you see any sign of a baby sequence coming traumatized baby with voice coming. ooh That'd be okay. Yeah you'll make jokes about babies bits. Nobody wants that. The you can't tell me what Harley the had a solid joke. ABC's much preferred it because it was clearly a done unlike like camp like a camp. You know what I mean. It was very much like like it was a memorial. Exactly as opposed to these little motors was just like funny like like straight up and down. You know what I mean like it. It's a there especially the first one they like. It tries to be so it's like our thing could be that we know they're trying to be so self aware the opposite feels tone-deaf oh sh absolutely lutely whereas birds of prey knows what it is and is not tone deaf and I want you to join the club wants you to be in. It doesn't want you to laugh at how how funny like dead polls like the class clown Harley. Quinn is like a a little like a the club that starts by one like the cool teacher after school all my got like our painting class. Yes yes thank the losers losers club if you will you know what I mean. Yeah from like Jane Funny. Yeah and also like it's just like yeah. We all need the space as we are here together right. Yes you know what I mean. Yeah we all little eleven year old lesbian. For God's sake come on and the way she told us was the best. We're having a discussion about whether being lesbian or straight is better woodlake. Faith any clear. I just didn't want to hurt your feelings. Could I was gonNA marry a man and I didn't know why but now I know how to be clear. I wasn't like you marry a boy. I was like they'd be cute and then they're like best friends and after they didn't know each other. When I suggested this I just knew them from different places they they ended up going to the same school becoming best friends so really I was wrong about a majority of it? Sure sure anyway really SEALY was not wrong about a majority of you know chat except for this House Michigan. Keep it up keep it up. Yeah well you know Rupaul. Loves addition really. Yeah it's weird star David and stuff. I don't understand what the deal is. That one gem which is bought me as a President Harry Potter in the Sorcerer's stone in. Yeah Wow oh wow that's cool. I mean if I am GonNa Learn Yiddish. That's really cool. Way would be to be watching the movies because I know the movie toward for word. I don't know the book but it's a good second. Can they all just like read up their lines and he die language language. Yeah Yeah Yes deadpool. I remembered it as way funnier and when I watched it last night it was not as funny as I remembered from four or five years ago whenever it was. Yeah my toward I would agree I I don't I didn't dislike it. I mean there are parts of the humor that might just inner teenage boy finds funny. I can't help you also have a good deal. lebatard teenage boy. Yeah my inner my outer skin no thank you whatever it is. There are parts of it that I find funny but take the point of the character or the writing of the character is that he's always at eleven all the time and so while. Wow there might be some sequences that are funny. There are other times where I'm just so ready for it to be over and breather exactly. Yeah so it's pretty it's inconsistent in that there are some decent action sequences. I like the highway ambush where he jumped onto into the car. Please highway ended that in over. 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Skip that pass on by yourself a favor but one thing and actually it relates to birds of prey that I think that movie does much better is the non. Linear storytelling is so tiring. Yes hadn't even remember. Remember this from when I saw I I wanna stay in those moments like but then it cuts back constantly to his personal life. which as both thirty said it's not the best development on that it only to a Ad Astra sure that's that's a good point and and yeah it struggles with constantly killing the pace in that highway ambush sequence that I say it right you oh you nailed that thank you and I wanna stay on that sequence? Then it cuts back to him with his girlfriend or him getting the Procedure done when Ed Screen Francis. Yeah and it's directed by Tim Miller. Who just did the new terminator which was horrible? You're that movie. I upset you on an emotional level. I think it you felt betrayed genuinely portrayed. Also I won't say who it is someone who's been on the show who I'm friends with thought. It was quite good mental their mental. I'll tell you off air just now this guy. That was totally hours. You when you say mouth it you Aso Mart it right into the microphone. Now with Tim Miller as I say every time I bring him up I do have to give him some credit because he he he was the main designer on the girl with the Dragon Tattoo opening credit sequence in David Ventures version which I love and other than Matt I liked. What's the series ghosts aliens love and robots? Yeah Yeah that that was not bad revenue Butner death love and robots some. It's three words go S- involved. No no goes paper. Puppets that tells you that and Sealy has chapel their posters gorgeous. Yeah have you been to the studio and tax. Overhaul have amazing I did a workshop with them. Once puppets so slept on in this town. I'm so sorry that's crazy. We have that y'all don't understand I can't tell you. Look around puppets through the coolest. You might just get their facebook. Yeah you have to find the actual. We're talking about here. We're not talking about little paper bags into puppets over here. This is a full on. I don't understand why necessarily the repertory Abraham puppet is repertoire area would rip Bevaqua no repertoire. We we don't believe maybe it's not maybe making that up anyways anyways just adding and I'm shot that there is no sundance nance documentary about it yet right. Do you know what I'm talking about. Yeah okay our boss her brother Oh cool Tim Miller. I really prefer him as a from a design standpoint as a filmmaker. I don't know if he does much for me. Yeah he can shoot. Action decently well. That's what I was thinking of but it's not the word that epic saga. It's one thing that advocate as as you're saying Henry with not holding up is visually. It looks so bad it looks cheap and and all the colors are washed out and then it's just all very muddy. Yeah Yeah it way. Yeah I really do not like how. It looks Abraham puppet intervention. That's what it's worth a look up right. Yeah I think Ryan Reynolds and Marina PA- Char and have pretty decent chemistry the even the again. The writing is not always the best. I think the two of them onscreen are pretty good together. Yes I mean more towards the beginning of the movie movie. Yeah I think it works. Holiday sequence was cute. I don't love him really but I think in this kind of fits not that it always works but I think he fits the character pretty well. That's the parallel. It his baby as deadpool. Baby Harley Quinn. Yeah we got there there there. Buddy howdy I I mean it's a watchable movie. It's entertaining at times but I don't think it holds up nearly nearly as well as live up to the height it doesn't now at least not now. It's like the supreme of maybe in two thousand sixteen. Yeah I remember when I saw it with a friend of mine at the time and it was fantastic to see in the theater but I think at this point i. I don't feel the same way I think. Maybe the reason why I enjoyed Loyd so much the first time is because I saw the theater like strata by a big audience because we saw it like opening weekend news. Yeah we've actually friends exactly yeah. The audience was so into it and so I was like amped up on that energy. It's almost more of like rocky horror picture. Show experience what you throw at the screen and for those first thing came to mind I would want everyone to throw like tidy. Whitey's okay never been worn writing. But I think event the thinking then donate them. Donate all that Kalisz. Shelter's always need underwear people never and most of it is used they always need underwear and socks around song says those things. You usually just have to go out and buy. That's okay also shoes when they'd be hilarious if you did a deadpool ragging style and and everything you through then went to collect. I mean that's honestly if you're doing any sort of participatory yet here. You should collect all the stuff afterwards and donated donate. Yeah yeah it'd be hard with rocky horror picture. Nobody wants to know. Oh the in terms of the like the tone of the movie it is trying way way too hard to either be self aware but also not aware at the same time and then injecting like like Fourth Wall Paul Ryan Reynolds Guy get this far in his career. Whatever yeah and then they they put in James mcevoy and Patrick And just stuff like that is just so inconsistent. Hard to keep the timelines. Yeah come on that stuff. It could have been. I'll pretty decent if an anti to hero comic book advertising heavy which was like a toll thing built up like its own zeitgeist which is Kinda cool. You saved all of that Mattis stuff for movie itself now for like the outside the movie In the movie if you used that for the out of the movie stuff cool yeah yeah yeah anyway just believe just kept kept it. Yeah I think I would have liked it more. Yeah yeah it feels like they wrote a bunch of jokes that our funny about whatever and they're like okay now let's put movie during. Yeah Right. Also the pacing felt kind. Kinda weird to me. It has to do with that narrative it's also like the ending was just out of nowhere. Seem was the second one was. That's like bar crap. I forgot but no no bar his original original many deadpool appearance right and like it's a save noontime with your McGregor or whatever like this is the first like deadpool movie movie right So I feel like it'd been fine to have like just go and order like a proper deadpool I agree. Yeah I mean this isn't spider-man under man like we don't know how this transpire don't have to do it differently but yes now the annoying thing about it is. He had very as noted in the original in on similar experience to Wolverine is much more established and everything in the same lab and all that actually really didn't change it for this. I guess the ED screen made him and this one it's different yeah. If you're changing up just change up I just give me. You can make funny. It'd be easier to make it funnier if it was just like an an actual story going on. Yeah I would have been fine if they just had the first half be the origin and then the second half be all the highway highway. Yes yeah and then it also made for made it feel I think more like meaningful when he met his friends and everything. It's like you know to quote for you. He walks a lonely road Sure did you like that. Not Bad you got it did. Yeah also you have something that I have to send you later because when I was in Fifth Grade Mr Jeff. Barry's class we. We love him at the end of the year. We all took popular songs and like rewrote the lyrics and then all perform the instruments. And my friends. And I we did What was it? It was boulevard broken dreams but it was out like a food fight in the cafeteria. And they're all references tool I. I high love sauce and I loved school now to be clear I still hated school and cried basically every day. But in retrospect about so I didn't know how lucky I was. What the others there's Gore said? Oh for God's sake but to be fair they locked me out and I came face the bear it should also be fair. I love that kind of stuff. The drama and comes back now before we get too far. I do want to read the question that we got all right right so I need Jesus rallying Singapore. It's not probation because he was Jewish. Yeah sure I have the hair. You're my hair. Looks like is here but I also want to make. Is the ants costumes though. I know I feel like we need to win. I think we need to earn it a little more. Now why do we need to move on like to a later points. Yeah I think so. Yeah I trust your instincts. Yeah so the Phil Mudd podcast. Dot Com is where you can reach us at just feel free to send us any questions comments. We love hearing from you and so the the question that is again. It's relating to this is from Jennifer from Baltimore. Good Morning John for really came. Came after this. Yeah I love it when when they say were there from she says hi. Hi Foam boats even though I love Jennifer even though the Areeta joker is not technically a part of the cinematic universe should movies like that and birds of prey stick to an R rating slash lower budget to brand themselves and be very distinctive be very distinctive difference from the. PG Thirteen marvel films is that is that how they will succeed your podcast. I is my entertainment on the right to and from work each day. I appreciate it very much. That is so what a good full question. Yeah I. I think it's this part might be a little more subjective. I just tend to. I think that I'll movies like this should be rated R. Because I'm Wa and this is how I feel sure and watch it at home. Fine hopefully somebody is either. Somebody is let you watch it at home or I'm here with you. Watch it with you or you. Don't have that guardianship anyway. So so you're probably more mature. Look you do I watch onto limbaugh six watchword dad's house not not my mom. What you are? We all know that scientists lamb. So I'm so so scared of it actually said brand flowers maybe part of ourselves connection there. I know we didn't talk about it in the review. birt's appraised not doing that well financially and so whereas deadpool did really really well and I I remember asking myself yeah I remember in terms of the audience. There was a ton of little kids seeing this and I just don't think it's I know I don't think kids should should go see birds of prey either but I think they shouldn't have seen weird. We'll either connect. Yeah I'd rather them see bird dupree before dead pool at least cause more wholesome uh-huh and yeah had some good messages. Take and depth whatever. Yeah and it had you know females being actual characters. That's nice yeah and then same thing with joker like I remember there were a ton of. Yeah that's out of all of them together. This is very true. Yeah that'll be the worst one for a kid to see you know so upset and it really makes me mad. It really makes as dispenser whole life. Basically like taking care of children really makes me mad because they're so impressionable. Yeah especially the culture. We formed where like celebrities. Should tell you who to vote for him. CRAP which I shouldn't say because all celebrities endorsed Bernie Sanders Quincy Eleanor Bernie. Sanders doesn't burn but in any case. It's still shouldn't be that way until you make people I idolize in every sense of the the word. And there's no disconnect between reality especially again when it so they try to make it too realistic like timberline for goodness sake. The only reason is still alive. Not just I mean they own the building. I'm sure that helps but also like it's surrounded by a bunch of neighborhoods. The kids just walked with like the cutest. I'd I'd like love it. You know about timber. It's seven dollar. Every movie cost like seven dollars. And you just walk there from tons neighborhood. I mean we'll walk from my house sometimes. Impossible no one okay. I think it was the first Narnia movie it'd snow and my mom and I walked there to watch Narnia. I mean I don't like them movie to my surprise but that's so cute images well no in the movie. Oh my God I teams back wife. mcevoy I was talking to people. They knew who did in fact was they didn't unbelievable. How dare they watch? Penelope listen. Movie did not list for now. It'd be that Providence. Let me favorite movie ever. Yeah early twenties boys. I'm sure that would have been the one that ah no Abi. Mr Thomas. Everyone knows must have missed. That slipped my mind as well bill. What is wrong with y'all the next heck I think with his x men presence? That is one that people would probably do. Who is actually interesting clearly movie Fan? But I think Oscar for for James asking for atonement November for filth. I think pneumonia and Oscar sure we know how I feel about it. Don't get me going. Don't give it away the blue and I think my digital how to us we were saying there are rated for a reason and yeah I mean. I'm glad that they're not being passed off as PG thirteen button and this very they could have. I think it was really only because the cursing notes pretty violent. It's done got a guy gets splattered against a street sign now yeah thrown out of a car and later falls down. He's like he was already up there. I miss that. Yeah it was. It was kind of small but I miss that any cuts off his hand very slowly. You see the Gore. What knew he was? I watching taking deadpool. I'm talking about Birger prey. Oh no no no. I'm so sorry I'm birds of prey. I thirteen very legally cut. Yeah yes so. Sorry no Debra. I think she'll be rated. Whatever letter from left-arm Alphabet if it's SM barest? WHO's a T it's like my you are a stoops to you sorry I three letters on scantron? Joyce S. T. R.. But I never see my problem anyway but no. That's what I'm saying. Birds of prey I think also decidedly. Well she said she wanted it to be rated R.. which was I think is a good move? Yeah but she didn't she wasn't like we're going to really make up. You know what I mean. I think if enough for the cursing it might not have been given. I mean there are a couple of things in their. Oh you little shots of violence. That Khloe didn't have a problem with but they were barely. I feel I the one at the beginning with the hyenas. Pretty graphic wasn't eating elaine. Right in the front bothered little Henry really little I would been bothering with little Khloe. They would've loved the visual. Okay no let me rephrase. I would've loved it but I would have had nightmares late. Yeah exactly I would have thought. Oh I'm so cool watching this movie. That's a leg Ram later. I would've been in bad like that is so interesting little khloe wouldn't of should've said Oh. I liked the way that looks and then moved on weird. No but for the ions they didn't showing herring off. It was a little I told told you and I it looked quick shot. Oh yeah I mean but also I think has to do with the difference between the characters I mean there is a reason dead. Pool is more more graphic because that's just more what the character is clear trying to Trying to be for boys like far fart jokes and crap like that like categorically whereas like birds of prey. Which isn't doing one theaters as usual like? There's no reason which is surprising. I if I seem like there's so much hype around and there's no reason to be doing well that so irritating and this is someone who in primaries primaries has only voted for an will live for men like. I'm not just saying like people hate women. Whatever but it's just something installed in a lot of people like if there was a movie bad dudes and the exact same plot? Would those people have walked out. I don't know I just don't know you know. Well Yeah I back. I think it's a tie haven't seen of movies to find the best most similar one. You know what I meant for poor people love frigging Scott Pilgrim. It's similar similar vibe. I know so many people that love. Scott Pilgrim. I I just do not shame. I don't like ten fun. Mary Elizabeth. You've been around around delay until you otherwise but in terms of relating to the question I I think. DC should almost entirely be a totally our anti-russian socio are rated. I think not only to separate themselves but I think that they they aggravated darkly except wonder woman sure. Yeah good point yeah good point they clearly deal with so many more not necessarily real but just darker cashews and characters that I think they would just be better off creating grounded smaller scale lower budget yes films marvel has their big bombastic yeah. PG thirteen that everybody see but birds of prey and then joker as well work with what they offer. They're all grounded and like some sort of realism whereas marvel is which I which I personally prefer. Yeah I would so much rather watch this or joker her as opposed to. I don't know what's another marvel. Movie excited for black widow. Not Not really. I was before saw the trailer. Yeah Yeah but that's actually a good example out rather watch birds prey then the black widows movie You know by MAS. Yeah I agree and know exactly uh-huh yes like no very true leave. Cgi To what Kinda you know what. I mean that kind of makes chance anyway. It's like a little storybook for a kid versus. Don't try to do it all also see Joe's overused anyway so lake. Yeah keep it does minimums and others in the Szechuan amazing. It was also very practical which was Nice Tel Aviv. I love that so very practical doc. The Mary poppins jumped out. Yeah if you miss if you miss. Tim Burton at the height of his imagination. The the aesthetic take again on number depressing. Oh especially the end sequence. Yeah I love the tongue and the stripes and yeah very Tim Burton. Oh yeah like classic good old Tim Yeah and see. That's that's what we're talking about. The couple of weeks ago about timber in style was becoming mainstream. Last week is with doolittle so I guess so. Yeah yeah four week before or last agents doolittle all right well thanks for the question Jennifer and help you killers except not There's lots of songs about Jennifer doesn't end well me. ETA on that new album clue but he's starting to Rolpa sleeves again. Yeah cool he's dressing up again. Cut His hair all right. Doing really weird sure us us. It's really weird. This make sense why he's my hero. Okay this is. This isn't why he's my hero. But it makes it our souls connect because this is just the weirdest thing in the world and also it's really patty so somebody he really. I think you might have been like a gallagher. Said something really mean about him not be able to grow beard or or something and I was like his king his years now and since then he's been saving he doesn't know why. What the purposes saving his shavings walk? That's true interesting move brandon we et eh. Maybe one is going to. He's going to do anything like glue. Nothing can happen. No no actually actually it but he can grow a killer mustache. Goatee Combo Sometimes it's all you need but it's very strange to keep them in the bag. I know and he knows that okay. We'll keep updated five stars for deadpool. It's three for me. Yeah three really really I give it was going to say too but I felt like that was too low so I was like. Yeah are- back to my My similarly before whatever now it it's like the soup now no no sorry. It's like the supreme of movies Sue Cream the brand not the word. Yeah Yeah make sure to differentiate but needs to be said supremist stupid all right watch the trevor. No Oh app not sorry Hossa Menage episode on Supreme Will Give you life okay. We love us the Patriot Act. Oh my God that's my pick. The Weakest Hosman Sennheiser has interviewed. Bernie Sanders. Everything you've ever wanted Brennan tells they're like fixing Hoskins hair just like is is not part of the thing right there like this the cameras haven't we rolling whatever they're fixing it awesome and various you look beautiful in such a Birdie moment to chloe. How does it match up against the Johnny Depp Letterman interviews place all have to check them out and they talk about race? Delays is that the news is that he was he like he was on a-rated amber heard there is footage. Look Henry I know I know. Amber herd is properly crazy she is. But here's the thing they're both properly crazy both abusers and just because because she did some retalioratory. He's free of guilt sat down. Does I was not there over there. Over three hundred pages of documents that have been filed against him from her from her and including other testimonies from other witnesses. That are not hers a friend now possibly. I don't remember but I know that I hear that. It's like ninety the time yeah. I'm with you there buddy. It's I just I'm not GonNa make you dislike him. Yeah I I don't know I can convince me that Oh but I don't like enough manner given believe her. I love Johnny Depp but I by no means things that he's free free of guilt either but I think amber heard in particular seems to have really down some stuff as well now that say what he did is freed but at yeah I it's messy. It's really it's really messy and it's none of our business. I hate that this whole domestic abuse thing is like turned into entertainment for well. Well Yeah I'm so over it. Yeah we'll see we'll see all right. Well I guess there's maybe maybe a little news Kirk Douglas Packed Pasadena. Why is he like that? Yeah just one hundred and three right yeah coinage. Yeah so sad I love. I love a little Jewish dynasty. The Michael Good for So sad plus Kirk Douglas. She'll cute you know dorbyl horrible Pacino. At the end of the Irishman. We love him actually. Yeah well now. We're going to that because it's my friend Who who liked terminators made up a point on facebook? Sorry for this. I saw that I got me. I'll make a point to never finish the Irishman and me and Jacob number two friend of the show both commented. You need to see Joe Pesci as an old prize. It Alpa Chino again. Why don't you stop me when I do that? I meant Joe Patchy adding like always the best part of the movie. You need to see till the end to see that uniform. Hey the movie last half hour. Pretend you're watching papillon. Be Happy and seal Joe Patchy Ashi. Oh my own also announced Sam Ramey is directing the doctor strange sequel. Sam Raimi's getting into the in. Yeah that'd be perfect match for good that'll be interesting. I don't know if there's much else any any news y'all saw. Aw there was somebody said Oh talk about that. But I can't remember what honestly I was like. Oh Yeah News. They used to make notes. I try to do that again. Now that's why we didn't talk as much that was TENNIS FILL SPACE WITH MY little note. Cards of Dues Valley up this You know habitat time for news now. All right well I guess we can move on and we just did the listener question. So we'll skip that. But again the film boats camping like deadpool. Yeah the film buds podcast g mail dot com is where you can reach us at also so on facebook twitter and Instagram at film butts so please follow us there. You can stay updated with all the the good stuff going on. And the film Buds Dot Com. Plenty of stuff going there. You can donate if you want all that fun stuff. See photos of us. You know if you haven't yet we can move onto off their picks of the week now Henry. I think we should maybe give the floor to you because you have grown hansel unsold. Oh my God. That is my favorite movie. Yeah so this just came out a week ago we can happen to some of them like that too. And what what did you thank. Tell US 'cause neither of us have seen it yet. So Sesotho It lived up to well. Okay so like I built up all of this hype and then I was like Oh Henry. Don't hope that it's going to be the best thing ever. Because he might be disappointed and it like hit every point that I wanted it to and did everything that I expected and like nothing surprised me which normally would be upset about except they did everything so well well that I was like okay. Okay I respect you. I'm I'm glad that you did it so good right. The design is perfect. act like the shots. The cinematography the costumes sets the colors. The hair the sound the music. The score is so so good. I really WANNA buy it. Yeah by some guy named rob he did the whole thing. It's raw I feel like this up. Yes it was really excellent and they also made a lot of references to great official. It is just rob rob good for you. Raw One guy on the cello and that was it. The whole movie was so stripped down and minimal and I think that's what I loved because I'm I'm honestly over these like big bombastic away does have something quiet. It it is saying Dr Sleep would've added was less bombast store still got to pick up that directors. Cup Dying Yeah. I WANNA see the director's cut of midsummer. Because I have to. I don't know where it was in theaters for like a week. But yes so many references to like movie witches that I really love but in a good way I go to. Yeah yeah like there was some lines that were definitely referential to like the MGM Wizard of Oz. Shoe made Henry Smile Yes and I was Krige. Beautiful played the anyway so she. She's the aldwych there multiple. Richard's like several. Oh that's sick. Yeah and the. The young witch is like a Diet Evergreen. I don't know her name. But she's very evergreen vibes that it's just not evergreen. I haven't seen the movie. I have no reason to write to talk. But I'll tell you really would have liked to see kate back in stale in there. I also really want Nicole. Kidman Nicole Kidman Jessica chastain. She wants to play a witch really bad. She says it in like every free interview. She wants to play which is and she she was doing snow. I live action just putting it out out there are they. Yeah they did seven what Julian Disney hasn't. Yeah what Oh yeah. Oh yeah the actually we were talking about that with the rights to snow white are soon going to become Public domain really because back all back in the nineties Disney actually changed the law to extend the rights to just so they could keep ownership of it. But it's out to pass out. It's about to come up again to become public domain unless they find a way to change it again extended which you know does has a grip on the copyright stuff. Yeah and so. It's possible that that movie could become public domain completely. Yeah I there was no white illustrated the whole story. PF retold it. I want to get it published sometime. Yeah that's one of my dreams Alana on a Redo Fairchild dinner then I wanNA start a little a publishing company of kids books but they're like very art driven they're not derivative rid of like Hollywood kids book. It's beautiful feinting. It's really good cool. I'm treatment the world. Needs is to read it now. Did you read it. No but I've picture saw the pictures I now. Is this movie in the same vein as the witch they twenty four film or is it different enough that yes so I was actually going to say. It's too bad that we already did the witch for retro. It would have been so perfect with this on a similar order tone and vibe and I don't want to give anything away but there are a lot of There's more than I thought there's quite a lot that's similar. Although I think the tone in this one we have a boat. Oh no I'm Ou- then no. I'm sorry no no thank you has it to say that there's even a pig no animals but there are animals. Okay and that's like a whole point point okay so anyway God is the people most people who are animals people are animals is typically not nothing. Oh wasn't it wasn't a cold on drought we are. We are not plants now nor things people places. We're not we're not looking for we are animals does not vegetables or minerals. It is similar to the witch by doing its own thing doing its own ramp definitely really and I feel like it's a little lighter rarely yeah surprisingly I kinda I kinda got that it would have some kind of more pulpy Ed this this definitely has like whereas the which has like a very like a theory. Oh well this is a theory. Oh for sure. It's like the witch sorta like those from up here and then like gets heavier and heavier. I feel like this one goes from like heavy heavy heavy heavy heavy heavy and then like lifts itself up. gets lighter. Oh yeah that's my kind of movie. The ending may cry. It was like very sweet and touching. Yeah it was wholesome. That's all I need it. Okay I can get through a scary movie as long as I'm not gonNA come out of it scary. It really isn't that's a look route. It looks dark and it's not. There's one scene that scary. I didn't like that hair that it really wasn't played to be scary either. Yeah it's I I think you would not find it scary because I don't like scary movie and I was expecting to be like really scared and I was Gonna I just suffer through. It was okay. Yeah there was like maybe one and possibly two scenes but like one of them was like jump scare and that was a i. I live for jump scare. Yeah I don't so unhappy time it. Yeah let's see. Let's see together Khloe Tuesday. I'll go when it's cheap at silver spot Harrison. Let's go let's do it. Tuesday's actually perfect Dahlie Dan free and it's also in it's cheap at silver spot and it's like not playing anywhere else. I thought it would be like Chelsea or something but Chelsea you thought no away on the timberline movies that you would be the scale of that movie it makes sense for the Chelsea but not the story that the skills timberline. They're like five actors. Yeah I look whatever trailer I don hadn't trailer you watch. Also I stayed for the whole credits just in case they did something and they were like a minute long There was like no no. Yeah interesting they really swallow their bates. She probably put that whole braid. Mouse State Ah Yeah Oh no go ahead also another pick of mine. I saw song of names which was also really really good. What is that? It's so I went with my mom because it's my mom's type of movie but it's like this this violin guy in the forties no. He's Jewish from Lake Slovaki or someplace and he goes to England to like as a child to become a violinist and then his family is killed in the war and he like runs away and it's about his like adoptive family from London. The brother Oh I trying to figure out what what happened to him and like find him and it's interesting that sweet emotional thing. Yeah as movie or documentary movie. Oh Yeah John Howard King was in it. And he's like one of my favorite actors right now. He was Laurie among the BBC. Little Women Series jail the team for the for that okay okay KK cool. I haven't watched that though. Watch one lowered the many series with. What's your name with Angela? Lansbury snap and thinking. Oh Yeah. I don't like Cameron Watson. I'm sorry I know she's good. I firmly distaste. Oh No yes. It's okay really. Don't like her really. I don't have to like her for me behind. Susan Saran wrap. She is my favorite marmots. Susan Saran wrap the best Marmi that ever has been ever will be the best thing. Have you still not known rider. Little women I watched it. Okay wasn't doesn't she perfect Susan. She was like. Oh my gosh unless I feel like that's what life with Pamela slifer Strauss's your mom was like. It's pretty good pretty close pretty close. Bs Song of names made me cry very beautiful very interesting. What about you chloe? I Y you've been busy for one thing. Yeah hello how weird is that right. The heck very weird if they should at least pay for my therapy for God's saying what the heck yeah I haven't really processing 'cause I don't know I wasn't there for you know what I mean. How you would process? It was like I didn't fall off a cliff or something that I I feel like it would be a little more easy. I mean that'd be crazy but it would be easier to pinpoint the trauma. I'M GONNA be scared to go back to the doctor. I should already already been scared. They took my legs for a while as well. Hold your hand in their cues. What we came came out which I loved it? I what did they didn't ask you and I should have cloud going to big fan over over here of what I say to them say. Netflix is next in fashion. I need put it on my. Yeah yeah no I did tell you tell your favorite designer who I think would be your favorite diner with yours our watch at this afternoon. Because I've I've been meaning the ten frame and it's the real deal. He cries at one point relates. No joke this there's drama but not like noxious like they take their craft so seriously. Yeah that there's drama. Yeah Khloe fire not in like a not not fake like crying and again not because they went to being mean mean to each other. It's like the the emotion yeah artists objective and this might be like really hard for me to watch them. I'm yet AH WE'LL SEE I will. I'll definitely text my thoughts again. Anything else you no I really like okay so you remember I said Okay I I'm like no I can't Call myself like A. I'm not a I'm not big into like the drag world like there is a world and I'm not really in it even though I think maybe better as the boy ah good drinking. Yeah so I'm just saying when he be good as a girl we should just switch one Hyundai I really want to do is make up anyways like glue down the eyebrows and Lake as true. It's got live browse. Yeah well well you could be like a half isla go for a queen of hearts let full drag I was thinking like Sorta subtle like like now day drag. You're thinking okay I'm thinking like artsy. Yeah you know what I mean like something. I would wear hung talk about that later but fun time. I can't really call it a but have you seen that Trixie Mitch. Connor honor my best friend is very into. He loves it. Like it's his bread-and-butter right right in the Spurs uh-huh so Trixie Mattel and in my favorite like it ever yes. It's not new. They've been reviewing Netflix. Shows a Hornak athletics so it was just like Donald Boxer. What's the American version They're just sitting there. Watching Netflix shows for Netflix. Love this this is so funny. I breathe because there's only like like fifteen minutes like ah shows I will never watch like the circle which is like the Betamax spinning out and stuff. Like I've never want you and it's so funny Eh. I Love I love Caccia. I love them together as well energy. Perfect US yes. So all right on the youtube okay. What's it called? I don't want to tell you know like the Queen's watching or something we like to watch for the writing in the show notes. I just WANNA be able to say what it is. That's all but I mean if if not I can find it. So it's I told you what it may or may it's something along those lines I didn't know is that they're catchline I. I'm not sure I watched a last night or the night but not last night the night before last I watch midway the role of film from last year. Yeah Rohan Emmerick of course did Independence Day. Good Name Day after it is a good name Rick Day After Tomorrow White House down and a couple of other. Oh Two thousand twelve okay another and this is telling you the story. Yeah telling the story of the battle of Midway during World War Two which was is one of the deciding battles in the Pacific campaign and completely turned the tide of the war. Well in many ways. He's and this is just telling the the true story quote unquote of the and actually it does involve a lot of real people. They're cool it's pretty. I guess the easiest comparison would be Pearl Harbor thankfully not as not sentimental and titanic as tries to be if you have not seen some of his other movies. They're very over the top very cartoony. A lot of the movie looks like video game. Cut Scene for the most part. However even though you know you're watching? CG How the action is shot is actually pretty effective and engaging. It's never going to be a dunkirk. Nineteen seventeen not going to be anything like that. You've got to see it Henry. It's nineteen seventeen. No I need to yeah you know. Look yes if you care about them you have after. Just see this movie right. Ignore how stupid. The boys are a K. Yeah no goals are also stupid to never ways remember. That was so funny he wants stupid. The problem nineteen is. The boys. Don't communicate the problem breath the ghost much but it's so beautiful. You can sit because it when you. Can't you still picture like we've seen so many movies we still movie since nineteen you closure right. You can still see shots from that movie just again. And they're still only. I agree if it sticks with you them. Yeah that's good. Yeah As topic. I don't really care about this. I mean I appreciate it in the most. You know Academic Sense. I understand the gravity as much as you can. Yeah too much again. It's not it's never gonna be never gonNA be nine hundred seventeen dunker saving private Ryan. Nothing like that but for what it is. It's watchable the issue with Roland. Emmerich with this kind of movie is it is essentially just like Independence Day but World World War. Two it's the same tone the same kind of characters the same kind of writing. I don't like that one little bit. Henry that's that's no problem. I'm not saying you should. He's an action director and so when it comes to the action it's pretty decent actually but the issue you similar to Michael Bay is. There's the moves are so bloated Mid It takes forever to get to anything happen. Yeah if if you're wanting to see because it's a war movie there is some it starts off with Pearl Harbor and so that's pretty good but then but then there's a long stretch where it's dealing with all these characters. You could not care less about okay but again when it gets to midway. It's pretty decent once. It gets the thing that you're watching the movie for. It's pretty fun but similar to actually what. I was talking about with Alexander a few weeks ago everybody in in this movie is doing an accident. Henry Alexander on net flicks no call tale. It's about Alexander whole bottle of wine. Okay no you know yes and enjoy okay okay but when it comes to this movie everybody is doing their own accent. One person's I mean not to say that that's abnormal but it's such a caricature that it's so distracting racket ball. Screen is the main guy in this. And he's actually not bad. I don't think he's I like a little soft by room. Nationalized back in this how he ran into a guy of my high school of my just even growing up elementary through high school yesterday at the movie theater. He looked like Ed's green so that might be. Why see it? That's the truth. I don't demand amazing performances when it comes. I'm still this nick. Jonas is so ridiculous in this move I like him he plays this like well are knows. Okay I was just like from Broadway so he used to really like the Jonas brothers in Lake The Way Back Day prize you but that was never really early in the house. That is surprising. I'm so surprised or his performance. He's trying to do like honestly like a young. A young Robert Deniro like he has kind of like the classic Robert Deniro like kind of expression on his face and his eyes are really like it. Looks like that no. He looks like that he looks like Jonasson rule. I know I've seen pictures of him and I've seen videos of him. How many this a really? This is like an extreme extreme version. I've met them two brothers. Yeah it was actually in car borough outside of Armadillo Grill. Yeah Yeah Mar.. So so listen. So they were like in Raleigh. Durham or something. Concert armadillo grill. Yeah of all places my mom and we were walking down the street and actually we. Yeah we were walking down the street and there were these like big buff guys walking towards us and them. Yeah behind them. Were the three brothers and we didn't really realize until like it was happening in like we may have said. Yeah like I we said words. I don't remember because it was like a blur but like an aloe grill outside where it is like we know exactly. It's just the fact that are we do agree on. We weren't in. It was like outside of. Oh so they might have been I. I bet they hated me. They probably were going to act me. Dot is my. You haven't been acne. Yeah yeah that have praised entrees on Tuesdays. Hey let guys and then let's go to acme or advice versa I think Gretel and handle her. My Tummy real okay. Yeah let's see I so yeah it's a little all over the place so it was slightly better than I was expecting. But it's still just kind of Blah by the end way too long not at not as great for a story of midway which is considered one of the most important battles in US military history. It's not done justice justice is good as Buchenwald no no not Buchenwald that to Camp Valuable Jr awkward by my grandpa was at both the band of brothers. Oh it's yeah. This is Dallas my grandpa really. Wow I know I'm re told me that. Yeah but no I. I Love Band of brothers and the Pacific and so this is by nowhere. Close to any of those things it's watchable. It's just a Hollywood blockbuster. At the end of it is terrible and I mean what I mean I would rush out to go and watch it but if you enjoy world war two movies or if you me fit put yourself in my sweater I'm not matter I encouraged that but I mean if you enjoy war movies or anything like that. It's it's worth a look at some point. If it's free you know talk about the new Green Day album briefly. Live your best life but before that just really one sentence. I retract Queen of hearts laced with Like the first Queen Elizabeth My garage okay right. Yeah but like with the makeup. Yeah yeah like young Elizabeth. We're talking like white faced. What talking whiteface one hundred percent Hana Bonham Carter Mugabe from their movies respectively head? And I feel like you've Judi dench now. If not an appearance Blake I see what you mean and maybe even Cate Blanchett honestly. Let's just go there with bone structure. Cool yeah will it. Texas Khloe a photo and put it on the instagram actually on Friday the new grey album came out however there was a wonderful surprise on Thursday the day before from your map whizzes out there I was. It was around six o'clock at night. I'd been out doing doing things trying to distract trying to distract myself from not having to wait any longer. I said you know what up probably ordered something else online line. The may have come in the mail. I'm just gonNA check and then I go out here to our porch that we can see here and all of the Sun. I saw this this package wrapped up said. I don't think I ordered anything that I can think of so I went out there and it said Green Day on the package. I looked around for Billie Joe. I didn't see anybody actually. I did see someone you popped out of the box. It was a woman but not not not build you CASSATT and I hold up. What's this am I right there right outside? I just tore it like got a child on Christmas Day can right. There was the CD and the whole album package. Well Socks a car. Or decal a keychain. Put It on your laptop for your car already put on Car I know. Oh God you're so you and anyways as I've talked about before it just it's ten song twenty six minute rock album and it's really really fun. You can burn right through it very energetic very kind of unhinged which is out say when Green Day is at their best and and yeah it's it's really really cool and it's number one on my tunes right now. Like really heck. Yeah Oh good for you guys. Yeah but but check it out. It's it's a pretty fun album I will listen to it on my way home. All right. It's a doozy but I like that. One side yeah. Oh yeah that's one thing they have only list of what's out. They have a music video with what's his name Maserati. Give Ranger things also from Broadway Eh. That's when music video. We're talking about on music buds. That's a video. I like the others. I'm not I really until they hadn't having kiss someone who is literally twice as age. Why you roll your eyes me both in highschool that woman is non highschool just against Bray? I guess but the child. Yeah here's your child as well. Yeah no issue with that but I find music video anyways also my right my trip to work mark or not to work to school is approximately fifty minutes give or take I can listen to it twice. Each sounds fun. Hey tried listening to it last diverse. I think I have done that but unintentionally jumped around a lot and so I think it depends on on that. It's new not really. I usually start from beginning to end end but but once you got your favorites exactly but there are. There are some some good ones on there. He should listen to Sawdust. I love Sawdust. It's my second favorite eh album for lack of a better word that they've released so I love Sawdust all right well anything else for we wrap up happier life Khloe. Yeah me too me as well because I can live here beautiful business thank you guys relapse. Somehow I'm alive so that I can see. Oh Yeah it's good to be here. It's good to be alive. That's the name of a song by one of my favorite bands. No one ever heard of ballpark music and check them out aren't why don't you give play the song caller. You'll like it. They've called list party anthem to the man. ooh All right. Well that about does it. I think what a doozy and next week on the show I don't know I don't think there's much coming out. Sonic the HEDGEHOG. I'm not kidding. Nothing's nothing's either way I think for you know that I do know is it's fine I would not. I'm not I'm not asking you to don't worry so I'm not sure maybe we could do a a movie swap or something like that. Yeah we love movies or have to find something similar or two in the heart of the sea another similar pick. Does the best thing ever happened. I picked my favorite movie for movies are first ever movie. Swab know my favorite movie. He makes them random crap. lovey terrible movie. He you know it's not like a good movie really. I think it's all right. It's not amazing. Movie Heart of the sea in the heart of the C O. Cy I okay as I said on the show. It's by no means revolutionary evolutionary. I don't think it's a terrible movie either. I think it's an interesting liked it more than you like my favorite movie of all time. So now it's been Stevenson more important movie. Sure but I like historical blockbusters like midway. It's in the same vein. It's by no means a breathtaking picture. It's just I find it refreshing compared to everything else movie swap. I still have it. This can be the reason why I watch fast color. 'cause I won't watch it with. I don't want to waste it but if we do it for movies that I'll have to watch it. Yeah I was curious about that too Goo Goo. Oh my gosh you know. She might be areas. Mom in the live action. I love that I'm still mad. Eliza wasn't involved. 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TBD | Was This Google Ethicist Fired for Doing Her Job?

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23:55 min | 6 months ago

TBD | Was This Google Ethicist Fired for Doing Her Job?

"The holiday season means stocking up on some essentials liked decorations and an ugly sweater with the bank of america. Cash rewards credit cart can choose to earn three percent cashback on online shopping. The essentials have never felt more rewarding visit bank of america dot com slash more rewarding to apply now copyright twenty twenty bank of america corporation. Hey what next listener. It's mary just wanted to give you a quick heads up. The today show is going to sound a little bit different. That's because our friends over at what next. Tvd had a great interview. That just couldn't wait until friday so we're going to switch things up a bit for the rest of the show. You're going to be hearing from lizzie. O'leary i'll be back tomorrow earlier. This fall to meet gebru submitted a paper or for consideration for an academic conference not something. That's particularly unusual for her to meet ethics in artificial intelligence so this is the kind of thing she does but since she was working at google there were some standard pre submission hoops to jump through. Google wanted to review the paper which to me wrote with several of her colleagues and sign off on it and that swinton need says she started getting pushback so this was the week before thanksgiving at four thirty pm. Randomly there's like a meeting on my calendar. Nobody's telling me what it's about. She was told by senior managers that the paper didn't meet google's publication bar and that she should retract it or take the names of google employees off of it to me. Wanted more clarity. On who objected to the paper and why they wanted retracted and said that. If google couldn't provide that information she would resign. This kicked off a few days of wrangling and several intents emails into one night december first to meet was chatting with a woman on her team. One of her direct reports actually actually was thinking. I was like oh you know what. I haven't told her that. This paper thing is escalating so quickly. I probably should tell her about it for women. Is that on this paper. She doesn't know anything about it but before he could tell her what was going on. Her direct report got an email. It was from manager saying they had accepted to needs resignation. A surprise to her. So i text my other report and i say did you also get the same message. She did so texted. Boss and i wasn't answering. It's like eight o'clock or something like that. I was like okay. I think this is fair game. I can just call him. He may whatever. I can interrupt at this point. I call him as i do. You know that my direct reports got this email from megan saying that she accepted my resignation. Meghan is making petrolia. She's a vp. Google research he's like what it was clear to me that whatever happened. It had come from someone higher up in a company than her direct boss. That night tried to go to bed. She couldn't sleep that whole night. I was thinking. What are they going. Do what are they trying to do. Did they think that. I had so little value that there were really be like no backlash whatsoever. Just go quietly. That was two weeks ago and the time since has been anything but quiet. Tim need says. Google fired her. Google says she resigned. My team calls it resignation resignation. You right. i'm glad that they came up with this new word to resonate someone. Thousands of people both inside google out have signed a petition on her behalf. The company's ceo has had to answer questions about what happened and to meet is trying to figure out how she one of the few black women who studies ethics. Ai known almost universally as a star in her field and up here to be honest. I still haven't processed entirely. Because i've just been i was saying i've been on adrenaline but if i were to take a step back and really think about what. They did how they did it. How disrespectful and devaluing it was and how they treated me like discardable object and what kind of message they send to my entire community. It's extremely hurtful. It's extremely painful. And i think it's it's kind of what they did is shake my sort of fundamental understanding of human beings and what they can and cannot do today on the show. A conversation with tim Gebru about google about ai about racism and tech. I'm lizzie o'leary and you're listening. To what next tb a show about technology power and how the future will be determined. Stick with us. Decided to upgrade your outdoor deck. So we ordered essentials. A power washer patio chairs and a shiny new grill. And you used your bank of america. Cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cashback online shopping or up to five point. 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Tim neat gebru is known in the tech world for a lot of things but one of them is starting the affinity group blackened ai which exists to mentor and support black researchers in artificial intelligence and in the days after she left google there was a big conference virtually of course and she heard from a lot of people who are part of blackened ai there. I'm wondering if you could tell me about that program and the type of stories you were hearing what people were saying to you because you tweeted that it was therapeutic to be talking to people about what had just happened really. It was very very pinnock to be in a space where everybody's sort of understood what what we were going through. What i was going through there was no need to explain and we were all feeling similar. Level of exasperation in many ways. Black and. I was born at this same conference for years ago when timmy at the crowd of five thousand people and saw just six black faces. It was just literally a moment of panic. And i came back home and i wrote this facebook post that was shared by a lot of people. And that's when we decided to intensify our efforts for black nyse. So before that i had this little mailing list where i would just like say hide any black person i feel like so you know by nieves tony you know and so we added a lot of people. We decided to have a workshop. That's sort of how we we. We started the organization as black. Naomi grew so did. Tim needs reputation particularly when he was part of a now renounced that showed how facial recognition technology is biased to meet her colleagues join baloney deborah g. Both black women showed that commercial facial recognition software performed worse on darker skin especially darker skinned women. The project was called gender shades. Well it seems to me. Like there are two interrelated sort of problems of diversity in a i one which is something that you explored in your paper gender shades. That data is often not diverse which leads to outcomes like facial recognition software not performing well on black women but but the other is the diversity. Researchers gender shades was created by black women. And i guess. I wonder d take black. Women researchers to ask those questions absolutely absolutely. I was a patient easter. That when i advised joy she was a master student. It's highly unusual to have two women who were both students just the two of them writing papers right and we faced a lot of backlash because of it so we have to constantly support each other and watch out and pushed through for this work. I'd like to ask you why you went to work at google in the first place well there are two things. One was That at the time. I was at microsoft research for one year. I wanted to do a post doc. It was in new york. I want to go back home to the bay area And then another one was that they were actually specifically said that they to start a google brain office in ghana so is supposed to be the first office in africa so i wanted to help put that ended up working with team at google. That wrestled with the ethics affects of artificial intelligence. One paper. she wrote showed how to document an audit. The data used to train algorithm. So if something went wrong company could unwind the process and see what happened this latest paper. The one that led to timothy leaving. Google is about large language models. Basically those are algorithms that predict language. You probably use them all the time when your own auto fills your tax or when you talk to alexa. This paper is drawing from a lot of different works. We were drawing on many people's expertise an disciplinary traditions and prior work. But you know. I think our prioritization of the risks and harms probably would be different from other people's because of our back on and because of our disciplinary traditions. So we discussed what we in our view. The risks and harms are and what in our view should be done to meet and her collaborators named a few issues they saw with large language models including the environmental cost of the computing power required to train them. The possibility that the models would suck up racist and sexist language in their attempts to learn and that these models could be used to write language. That seemed human and spread disinformation. Has anyone at google said to you. This is where we had a problem. This thing that you have put in the paper undercuts one of our products. The first conversation we had was you have to retract the paper. Some of the product leagues believed that the flaws are too much and so you have to retract the paper. Then she heard from jeff dean the head of google research. He said you know. I just skimmed the paper and so as a quick skim. This environmental cost. Section is dependent on this flawed. But i was like okay. So i wrote. I wrote a whole. I'm like where do you think it is. Why do you think over. S miss what. What kind of changes are you suggesting. What is the issue. So on thursday thanksgiving. I spent my whole day literally writing this document. friday. I sent it to them because they told me to retract by friday as said this document and i said i hope you know this can be a basis for conversation or some sort of back and forth. So if i'm going to retract a paper at least one understand what is going to happen after are. We're going to try to rewrite it. You just try to kill this line of work like what. Are you trying to do with your goals monday. I get an email from meghan responding to that says. Can you confirm that. You have retracted. The paper or have taken your name off the paper. And i'm like are you kidding me. I wrote this whole thing. And you're not even that chronology. I wrote anything or that. I'm asking these questions. She's not even acknowledging it so that's kind of how it went but what really seems to have angered. Google is an email to meet wrote in an internal group in the company called google brain women and allies there. She vented her frustration with what happened with the paper. And what she saw as lip service to diversity. I have written so many documents. I mean like i wrote a billion documents. I had a billion meetings. They just tire you out. They meet with you over and over again. They feel good about themselves for meeting with you. They don't do anything. And then if you if you try to push them on it or tell them they're doing something wrong. They told police. This happened to me so many times. There is nothing in place for the here right now. That incentivizes them to do something different. So we can write as many documents as you want but as long. There's like no incentive for the leaders to do anything differently this documents not gonna help meetings are not gonna help. Nothing's going to help. So that's why. I was saying you should focus on leadership accountability. Do you think it was the email that got you dismissed or the paper their reasoning wh to to terminate me quote unquote immediately was the email and people in that. Email list are terrified. Now they're just like terrified to say anything because mind you. This email list was created to. It's called brain women and allies women and allies. This is an email list for women and their allies to discuss the problems in this department with respect to diversity inclusion to push back slightly. I feel like any company reading this kind of you know semi public internal discussion. Might say okay. If that's the way you feel you're done here. No that doesn't make sense to me like this. Email list is to have an internal discussion about what to do better so what to do better. After i've seen all of these women spending their own time their own free time. They're not hired to write these documents. This is not their job. Their job is to be research scientists. They're spending their own free time writing these documents pointing out issues and nobody's listening to them. I didn't make this email public. I didn't leak it to the press. I didn't go say here is an indictment of google. This is and internal mailing list created specifically for the purpose of talking about the issues related to women right. If leaders are not whole held accountable. Nothing is going to change. This is not the first time that venting on internal google message. Boards has ruffled management feathers. Last year the company created a new policy cracking down on political discussions in internal groups and google. Employees have repeatedly staged walkouts to protest sexual harassment lack of diversity and the company working on what they see as unethical projects. Where do you think the line is at google between the intellectual and collegial freedom to have these kinds of discussions and maybe the corporate culture not to say them to publicly or too loudly. Think this is corporate culture. I think this is. We had a research all hands. After the george floyd protests where we were so people are so emotional there. We're like pleading with them to do something different. Because we are so exhausted we outlined a bunch of principles that we call nothing about us without us. The number one thing we said was psychological safety. We need to have psychological safety in order to talk about the issues. If you don't even have the psychological safety to discuss what you're what you're facing then. There is no way to even move forward. There's no way to fix your your company's culture speaking of leaders and accountability. What do you make of sooner is a apology or maybe let's call it a statement where he says. We need to accept responsibility for the fact that prominent black female leader with immense talent left. Google unhappily yeah. It feels like there's so much gymnastics there. Well this is what i make of it. They would have looked bad if they didn't make a statement. They still look bad after making that statement. They're basically saying we apologize for the backlash because we're not happy about the backlash because the backlash means. Oh you're questioning. Whether you're you're you still have a place at google. The google walkout showed how toxic hr was at google right. A lot of women said that their number one issue was the hr department itself. They're not there at all to to support women they're there to basically to ensure that there are the least number of lawsuits for the company. They're not gonna try to make the company culture better part of chai's statement says that it's important to me that are black women and underrepresented. Google irs know that we value you and you do belong at google. I wonder what would have made you feel valued. Because it's so clear when i listen to you that you feel like you were held up externally as yes sort of a beacon of diversity at google and yet you feel like you were undercut internally. It was so clear that they weren't even treating me as a researcher. Like as a person because you would discuss things with a person just order Around let alone. A world renowned expert know i was constantly devalued. I mean constantly and it's an and actually people coming into google. Told me this that that they could not reconcile the difference in which i was viewed externally with the way in which i was treated internally. Why do you think that is. Why do you think google undervalued you. I think it's mostly racism and sexism even even when it's about issues of ethics so they have all of these responsible initiatives would like literally almost no black people and black people in. It are just infuriated all the time they keep on talking about us. As if we're like some like joy says curiosities berlin weenie. Who's one of your collaborators. Yeah she says curiosities. And i always talk about what's called parachute research of my research where these group of people who look at you as a subject steady or something like that and they work you know on the like. Oh yeah imagine the black person margins person in their natural habitat. it's like. I don't know like a national geographic or something. You know how they talk about you and you're just sitting there like oh my god and they get promoted and they published papers and they don't deal with the consequences. We reached out to google to ask them about. Tim needs experience. The company and the circumstances departure but didn't hear back by recording time. Have you heard from anyone at google since this happened officially officially now i haven't even gotten a my instructions on how Return google assets. They were they were so fast. I think i believe they've made my check. But i i've no idea how return the computer. You know my work computer or anything like that. I don't really. I've been checking my email i'd want. I don't see the instructions on how to do it. No i certainly have not heard from anybody officially for now to me just left with pichai statement in which he says that google will quote beginner review of what happened to identify all the points where we can learn considering everything from deescalation strategies to new processes we can put in place. What do you want people to take away from this interview. That i'm like. I'm a human. I laugh and i talk. You know. I i I can be pretty outgoing and When you're painted as this just unreasonable angry person who needs to be escalated is dehumanizing a story of what you've gone through and what who have tried to overcome gibo. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you for having me tim. Neat gebru is an ai ethics researcher and the co founder of black in ai. That's our show for today. Td is produced by ethan brooks and edited by alison benedict and tori bosh. Our executive producer is lucia montgomery. Tvd is part of a larger. What next family. And it's also part of future tense a partnership of slate arizona state university and new america. Mary harris will be back on your feet tomorrow. Mary thank you for letting me grab a hold of the show. Today i'm lizzie. O'leary thanks for listening.

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Was This Google Ethicist Fired for Doing Her Job?

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23:06 min | 6 months ago

Was This Google Ethicist Fired for Doing Her Job?

"Holiday season means stocking up on some essentials liked decorations and an ugly sweater with the bank of america. Cash rewards credit cart can choose to earn three percent cashback on online shopping. The essentials have never felt more rewarding visit bank of america dot com slash more rewarding to apply now copyright twenty twenty bank of america corporation. Hey what next listener. It's mary just wanted to give you a quick heads up. The today show is going to sound a little bit different. That's because our friends over at what next. Tvd had a great interview. That just couldn't wait until friday so we're going to switch things up a bit for the rest of the show. You're going to be hearing from lizzie. O'leary i'll be back tomorrow earlier. This fall to meet gebru submitted a paper or for consideration for an academic conference not something. That's particularly unusual for her to meet ethics in artificial intelligence so this is the kind of thing she does but since she was working at google there were some standard pre submission hoops to jump through. Google wanted to review the paper which to me wrote with several of her colleagues and sign off on it and that swinton need says she started getting pushback so this was the week before thanksgiving at four thirty pm. Randomly there's like a meeting on my calendar. Nobody's telling me what it's about. She was told by senior managers that the paper didn't meet google's publication bar and that she should retract it or take the names of google employees off of it to me. Wanted more clarity. On who objected to the paper and why they wanted retracted and said that. If google couldn't provide that information she would resign. This kicked off a few days of wrangling and several intents emails into one night december first to meet was chatting with a woman on her team. One of her direct reports actually was thinking. I was like oh you know what i haven't told her that. This paper thing is escalating so quickly. I probably should tell her about it for women. Is that on this paper. She doesn't know anything about it but before he could tell her what was going on. Her direct report got an email. It was from manager saying they had accepted to needs resignation. A surprise to her. So i text my other report and i say did you also get the same message. She did so texted. Boss and i wasn't answering. It's like eight o'clock or something like that. I was like okay. I think this is fair game. I can just call him. He may whatever. I can interrupt at this point. I call him as i do. You know that my direct reports got this email from megan saying that she accepted my resignation. Meghan is making petrolia. She's a vp. Google research he's like what it was clear to me that whatever happened. It had come from someone higher up in a company than her direct boss. That night tried to go to bed. She couldn't sleep that whole night. I was thinking. What are they going. Do what are they trying to do. Did they think that. I had so little value that there will really be like no backlash whatsoever. Just go quietly. That was two weeks ago and the time since has been anything but quiet. Tim need says. Google fired her. Google says she resigned. My team calls it resignation resignation. You right. i'm glad that they came up with this new word to resonate someone. Thousands of people both inside google out have signed a petition on her behalf. The company's ceo has had to answer questions about what happened and to meet is trying to figure out how she one of the few black women who studies ethics. Ai known almost universally as a star in her field and up here to be honest. I still haven't processed entirely. Because i've just been i was saying i've been on adrenaline but if i were to take a step back and really think about what. They did how they did it. How disrespectful and devaluing it was and how they treated me like discardable object and what kind of message they send to my entire community. It's extremely hurtful It's extremely painful. And i think it's it's kind of what they did is shake my sort of fundamental understanding of human beings and what they can and cannot do today on the show. A conversation with tim Gebru about google about ai about racism and tech. I'm lizzie o'leary and you're listening. To what next tb a show about technology power and how the future will be determined. Stick with us. Decided to upgrade your outdoor deck. So we ordered the essentials. A power washer said a patio chairs and a shiny new grill. And you used your bank of america. Cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cashback online shopping or up to five point. 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Conference virtually of course and she heard from a lot of people who are part of black and ai. There i'm wondering if you could tell me about that program and the type of stories you were hearing what people were saying to you because you tweeted that it was therapeutic to be talking to people about what had just happened really. It was very therapeutic to be in a space where everybody's sort of understood what i what we were going through. What i was going through there was no need to explain and we were all feeling similar. Level of exasperation in many ways. Black and was born at this same conference for years ago. When tim need looked around the room at the crowd of five thousand people and saw just six black faces. It was just literally a moment of panic. And i came back home and i wrote this facebook post that was shared by a lot of people. And that's when we decided to intensify. Our efforts for black is so before that i had this little mailing list where i would just like saeid any black person i seen. I feel like so you know. My name is tony. You know and so. We added a lot of people. We decided to have a workshop. And that's sort of how we we. We started the organization as black nov grew. So did timmy reputation particularly when she was part of a now. Renounce study that showed how facial recognition technology is biased to meet and her colleagues join bologna. Deborah g both black women showed that commercial facial recognition software performed worse on darker skin especially darker skinned women. the project was called gender shades. This seems to me like there are two interrelated sort of problems of diversity in a i one which is something that you explored in your paper gender shades. That data is often not diverse which leads to outcomes like facial recognition software not performing well on black women but but the other is the diversity researchers gender shades was created by black women. And i guess i wonder d it take black women researchers to ask those questions absolutely absolutely. I was a patient easter. That when i advise joy as she was a master student. It's highly unusual to have two women who were both students just the two of them writing papers right and we faced a lot of backlash of it so we have to constantly support each other and watch out and pushed through for this work. I'd like to ask you why you went to work at google in the first place. Well there are two things. One was that. At the time i was at microsoft research for one year. I wanted to do a post. Doc and it was in new york. I wanted to go back home to the bay area and then another one was that They were actually specifically said that they wanted to start a google brain office in ghana. So supposed to be the first office in africa. So i wanted to help with that to meet ended up working with a team at google wrestled with the ethics and effects of artificial intelligence. One paper she wrote showed how to document and all the data used to train an algorithm. So if something went wrong the company could wind the process and see what happened this latest paper. The one that led to tim nate leaving. Google is about large language models. Basically those are algorithms that predict language. You probably use them all the time when your phone auto fills your tax or when you talk to alexa. This paper is drawing from a lot of different works. We were drawing on many people's expertise at the disciplinary traditions and prior work. But you know. I think our prioritization of the risks in harm's probably would be different from other people's because of our background and because of disciplinary traditions. So we discussed what we in our view. The risks and harms are and what in our view should be done to meet and her collaborators named a few issues they saw with large language models including the environmental cost of the computing power required to train them. The possibility that the models would suck up racist and sexist language in their attempts to learn and that these models could be used to write language. That seemed human and spread disinformation. Has anyone at google said to you. This is where we had a problem or this thing that you have put in. The paper undercuts one of our products. The first conversation we had was you have to retract the paper. Some of the product leagues believe that the flaws are too much so you have to retract the paper then she heard from jeff team the head of google research. He said you know. I just skimmed the paper and so as a quick skim. This environmental cost. Section is dependent on this flawed. But i was like okay. So i wrote. I wrote a whole. I'm like where do you think it is. Why do you think over. S miss what. What kind of changes are you suggesting. What is the issue. So on thursday thanksgiving. I spent my whole day literally writing this document. friday. I sent it to them because they told me to retract by friday. Said this document and i said i hope you know. This can be a basis for conversation or some sort of back and forth so if i'm going to retract a paper at least one understand what is going to happen after. Are we going to try to rewrite it. You just try to kill this line of work like what. Are you trying to your goals. Blue monday i get an email from megan responding to that says. Can you confirm that. You have retracted. The paper or have it taken your name off the paper. And i'm like are you kidding me. I wrote this whole thing. And you're not even that chronology wrote anything or that there. I'm asking all these questions. She's not even acknowledging it so that's kind of how it went but what really seems to have angered. Google is an email to neat. Wrote in an internal group in the company called google brain women allies there. She vented her frustration with what happened with the paper and what she saw as lip service to diversity. I have written so many documents. I mean like i wrote a billion documents had a billion meetings. They just tire you out. They meet with you over and over again. They feel good about themselves for meeting with you. They don't do anything and then if it if you try to push them on it or tell them they're doing something wrong. They told police. This has happened to me so many times. There is nothing in place for the here. Right now that incentivizes them to do something different so we can write as many documents as you want. But as long as there's like no incentive for the leaders to do anything differently this documents not gonna help meetings. They're not gonna help. Nothing's going to help. So that's why. I was saying you should focus on leadership accountability. Do you think it was the email that got dismissed or the paper their reasoning what to terminate me quote unquote immediately was the email and people in that. Email list are terrified. Now they're just like terrified to say anything because mind you. This email list was created to. It's called brain women and allies women and allies. This is an email list for women and their allies to discuss the problems in this department with respect to diversity inclusion to push back slightly. I feel like any company reading this kind of you know semi public internal discussion. Might say okay. If that's the way you feel you're done here. No that doesn't make sense to me like this. Email list is to have an internal discussion about what to do better so what to do better. After i've seen all of these women spending their own time their own time. They're not hired to ride these documents. This is not their job. Their job is to be research scientists. They're spending their own free time writing these documents pointing out issues and nobody's listening to them. I didn't make this email public. I didn't leak it to the press. I didn't go say here is an indictment of google. This is an internal mailing list created specifically for the purpose of talking about the issues related to win right. If leaders are not whole held accountable. Nothing is going to change. This is not the first time that venting on internal google message. Boards has ruffled management feathers. Last year the company created a new policy cracking down on political discussions in internal groups and google. Employees have repeatedly staged walkouts to protest sexual harassment lack of diversity and the company working on what they see as unethical projects. Where do you think. The line is at google between the intellectual and collegial freedom to have these kinds of discussions and maybe the corporate culture not to say them to publicly or too loudly. I don't even think this is corporate culture. I think this is. We had a research all hands. After the george floyd protests where we were so Crying people were so emotional there. We're like pleading with them to do something different. Because we are so exhausted we outlined a bunch of principles that we call nothing about us without the number one thing we said was psychological safety. We need to have psychological safety in order to talk about the issues. If you don't even have the psychological safety to discuss what you're what you're facing then. There is no way to even move forward. There's no way to fix your your company's culture speaking of leaders and accountability. What do you make of sundar. Pichai apology or maybe. Let's call it a statement where he says. We need to accept responsibility for the fact that a prominent black female leader with immense talent left. Google unhappily yeah. It feels like there's so much gymnastics there. Well this is what i make of it. They would have looked bad if they didn't make a statement. They still look bad after making that statement. They're basically saying we apologize for the backlash because we're we're not happy about the backlash because the backlash means. Oh you're questioning whether you're you're you still have a place at google. The google walkout showed how toxic hr was at google right. A lot of women said that their number one issue as the hr department itself they. They're not there at all to to support women there to basically to ensure that there are the least number of losses for the company. They're not going to try to make the company culture better leave. Part of sundar pichai is statement. Says it's important to me that are black women and underrepresented google irs. No that we value you and you do belong. Google and i wonder what would have made you feel valued. It's so clear. When i listen to you that you feel like you were held up externally as yes. Sort of a beacon of diversity at google and yet you feel like you were undercut internally. It was so clear that they weren't even treating me as a researcher. Like as a person because you would discuss things with person wouldn't just order number around let alone a world renowned expert you know i was constantly devalued. I mean constantly and it's an and actually people coming into google told me this. They that that they could not reconcile the difference in which i was. Viewed externally with the way in which i was treated internally. Why do you think is. What do you think google undervalued you. I think it's mostly racism and sexism even even when it's about issues of ethics so they have all of these responsible initiatives would like literally almost no black people and black people in. It are just infuriated all the time they keep on talking about us. As if we're like some like joy says caged curiosities joining. Who's one of your collaborators. She says caged curiosities. And i always talk about what's called parachute research in my research where these group of people who look at you as a subject of study or something like that and they work you know on the like. Oh yeah. Like imagine the black person margins back person in their natural habitat. It's like a national geographic. Or something you know how they talk about you and you just sitting there like and they get promoted and they published papers and they don't deal with the consequences. We reached out to google to ask them about. Tim needs experience at the company and the circumstances of departure but didn't hear back by recording time. Have you heard from anyone. Google since this happened officially officially now i haven't even gotten a my instructions on how to return a google assets. They were they were so fast. I think i believe they've made my check. But i i've no idea how return the computer my work computer or anything like that. I don't really. I've been checking my email i want. I don't see instructions on how to do it. No i certainly have not heard from anybody officially for now to me just left with kayce statement in which he says that google will quote beginner review of what happened to identify all the points where we can learn considering everything from deescalation strategies to new processes we can put in place. What do you want people to take away from this interview. That i'm like. I'm a human and i laugh and i talk you know i i. I can be pretty outgoing. And when you're painted as this just unreasonable. Angry person needs to be. Escalated is to humanizing. It doesn't tell a story of what you've gone through and what who have tried to overcome to meet gebru. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you for having me tim. Neat gebru is an ai. Ethics researcher and the co founder of black in. That's our show for today. Td is produced by ethan brooks and edited by alison benedict and tori bosh. Our executive producer is lucia montgomery. Tvd is part of the larger. What next family. And it's also part of future tense partnership slate arizona state university and new america. Mary harris will be back on your feet tomorrow. Mary thank you for letting me grab a hold of the show. Today i'm lizzie. O'leary thanks for listening.

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Trailer Talk! The Boys! Los Espookys!

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Trailer Talk! The Boys! Los Espookys!

"Hey everybody welcome to another edition of the bald. Move Television podcasts would officially unofficial podcast for all television. I'm your host Erin. I'm Jim Emslie and today we're going to be truly talking about. All Television San Diego Comic Con was last week and a bevy a certified Bevy L. P. Bevy of trailers dropped and we're GONNA be talking about all of them then. We're going to be looking at Amazon prime videos new superhero subversion the boys <hes> finally going to wrap up H._B._O.'s low spook ace. I spook ace season <hes> in Spooky Style and with that said let's get right into trailer talk. I've got a list of what I think because all the television trailers that I actually care talk about. I've you know if you're a fan of the C._W.. superheroes stuff then you know where to find that talk about it <hes> they're all on season seventeen neuro a lot of them holy. Hell really a lot of them. They I was like Flash Janeiro but there are fifteen chose. I was watching red letter media talk about stuff and like they were listing off all the things that there's like. Did you know the agents of shield is on. It's like eight season. I like arrows on season seven and like like there's this lack of Vulcan I think or something new yeah there's like cloak and dagger is an interesting second season or something. There's a new show that starting with Ruby rose called <hes> bat woman. Yes I saw the back actually the thirty second bat woman trailer at all so there's a whole ecosystem out there if you want. I hear that this is like one of the things are doing as a prop up like a D._C.. APP that they're gonNA have like these. They're going to have their own add-ons streaming APP so like if you WanNa see all these like <hes> superhero shows than the one outlet you could do it. The boys is also a D._C.. Thing right is it no. I don't think so it's not like a marvel DC crossover. I think <hes> okay. I thought I saw was D._C.. At the beginning like D._C. Logo But D._C.. Because I thought they were aping the style of the D._C.. But they changed. It'd be the boys the kind of I sell that. This is like an in universe thing but I will talk about that. When we get to the boys right <hes> I up <hes> it's not a true trailer but a fifty second short from the new Rick and morty season four and I really wouldn't want to talk about this to kind of like soft announce to everybody that we are doing a podcast in <hes> accompany with star Burns audio to do a rick and Morty podcast called pickle me this and next week we're going to be doing? We're essentially going to be gunning through the first two seasons the kind of catch up and get a bunch of coverage out there <hes> <hes> then we're going to be doing one episode of season three a week leading up to the November premier and then we're going to be doing the complete season for coverage and a lot of cool stuff. We've got a lot of resources that are being provided to us. There's GonNa be some <hes> surprises and it's going to be some special guests and very excited about it <hes> but yeah we're going to be. We're going to be doing that so get excited. Rick and Morty is pretty awesome. I know it's not to everyone's taste but I really really early enjoy it. It's a big hit with our family. I'm I'm fucking squash to hear what you guys do so yeah. Let's move onto snow piercer what the fuck are they thinking. Snow piercer was barely able to sustain stained concept over a ninety minute movie with Chris Evan and every single thing they showed was in that movie nothing new because I don't know that the concept can go any farther this is a one season show if that out on the what the fuck they're gonNa do for multiple seasons and the movies not even old enough for them to do a shot for shot remake and be a new thing for newt audience right because it was twenty two thousand dollars. It's no I know we're got recent Jennifer Connelly's. Oh He's doing her best Tilda swinton impression and it just seemed like exactly the same thing yeah like has this. If you haven't seen the movie then I guess this would be new and if you're willing to spend twelve hours watching snow for a two our movie on Turner Broadcasting. This is dumb. Let's I it looks. Someone's been shit ton of money and I love Jennifer Connelly but I have to hear that's literally the best thing on television before I'm going to give it a try so anyway. Here's what I to do. I have to hear that they have a season two story before I go through season one because I already seen if it's just a miniseries I like I like if this was like a four episode. Miniseries like okay maybe if they but in watching watching into the on a supersonic supersonic train in a snowball world it L- it just sounds very familiar to me. Does it appears. It's yeah okay next movie. Please our next T._v.. Show <hes> Star Trek Picard hard okay dust off captain jail so I was really hype for this trailer and then as I mentioned I watched red-letter media's coverage San Diego Comic Con Trailers yesterday and Day unveiled that the head show show runner behind this is the same guy who got ousted off of star trek discovery and I guess is widely blamed by the Star Trek fandom for kind of running the disco into the ground okay so I'm and this trailer. It's like all the things that I kind of thought were exciting like Oh you know per cards unique relationship with the board and there's like this <hes> young woman who's the key to the future and there's Jerry Ryan back with seven nine like they were showing that the the what they promised was a more introspective look into the character picard did they traded heavily on him being a great farmer and all this other Shit on earth and it does Sinnreich Mhm Vintner <unk> believes word for it <hes> grape murder yes trying escape <hes> and what what what they seem to be giving us as modern track which is very flimsy science fiction concepts stretched over a pretty standard network action <hes> plot and almost too much continuity because I in the last few weeks I've watched almost the entirety of season three of star Trek next generation show <hes> I mean it's up and down but the cool thing about the episodic nature of Star Trek. Is that like you just never knew what you're going to see like. Are you going to see a period play piece set in the poll Jahic wars. Are you going to see him. swashbuckling Shit in the holiday or is this one episode going to be all q fluff or is this episode GonNa be all very serious traumatic. Yes to these characters like psychological rape or no. It's always something different where like the modern modern trek where it's like. It's almost a slave the continuity and it's all like slapdash and battles and science fiction effects and I don't know I mean I I still going to watch it because I love Patrick Stewart and I adore the character picard but <hes> and I was very pleasantly surprised to see like it looks like they got Brent spiner back with some digital makeup because he said he'd never do it again. 'cause he. Visibly aged out of the role he does look different but he's you use as a rebuilt data so you can believe him looking different and Marina Certes Jonathan Frank said they were going to be back is counselor Troi and William Reicher. I mean it's not just skin. That's degraded by the U._V.. Raise been left out in a vineyard for thirty years or whatever the hell can. I ask you a question. Do people not remember what date is is looked like they were yellow but they're not this color yeah. They're not like radiator right antifreeze yellow. Oh Pale yellow remember the popcorn jelly beans the jelly belly that color but it's seeming like when I saw Yoda in the prequels like did people forget what Yo- to look like does Lucas not have a reference of Java the fucking the hut in his coloration and the way his nose looks like it can't seem really likely because we I've been watching the rewatching the series lately and if this is the first time I'm seeing again from when it was on before then yeah I don't remember exactly the the variations of black within the yellow to make it look more like a human pupil. It looked it looked weird in have H._d.. Cameras back then man yeah well H._D.. Broadcast it is really cool to also if you've not seen star trek since the the next generation since the beginning the thirty five millimeter print transfers that they got on Netflix are a main lakes like I've gotten a newfound appreciation for some of the sets and props and I've also got a new found like one fucking guys thinking about some yeah the hair and makeup and costuming and set dressing is all over the place on Star Trek but when it's good it's really really good and a lot of that stuff just did not come across on the television set so this is just GonNa make me sad for the last twenty five years of Star Trek like. Like what could have been if Patrick Stewart just I if they continued with next generation Patrick Stewart had been playing jolly card like you know there's been a lot of star trek since then some that I've liked some that I very much not liked <hes> but I missed my agenda like card and I don't know that there's going to be a perfect replacement for it. It's just time to bring back classic trek like going to seeing Weird Shit and weird aliens and thinly veiled allegories and you know also the fun thing about the the reusing star Trek is just how much fun it is the way to get to know a cast and Washington do sometimes silly stuff and you know get to do like you get to see Patrick Stewart dress up as three musketeer and whip you know Lieutenant Barclays Agg Fun like the more you go the no the characters and I feel like a lot of that stuff is kind of missing and modern track and and I I I don't know I'm definitely down to see this show but I was really hoping for a little bit more classic track rather the light continuity action and I don't know because I feel like some of the things that ruin track deep space nine even though I really liked these space nine star Trek Nemesis and then the EH j.j Abrams Star Trek's. It's like these are trek. Flavored confections are not real to me Star Trek and I think we're kinda ready to you know it's been like close to thirty years since the last time we've had this kind of track and there's a whole Paul New- list of social challenges and stuff and we need some thinly veiled Staifi allegory to figure all this shit out I think can we do a re release of your live commentary on the sex planet episode God and right before this this comes out. I wish I could live stream. All metric has like I fucking have so much fun and watching these track things I think it'd be really interesting to watch what the group of people but <hes> yeah we oughta that's been we ought to make some kind of official release of that because that was <hes> kickstarter only like seven years ago speaking of thinly veiled allegory haven't watchmen watchmen. Yes that's a couple bullet points ahead of me but yeah watch watchmen watchmen Taylor Jim. It's my next bullet point. Sorry I I mean this. I'm super excited for this. Still I think every trailer they've shown has got me more excited. <hes> I'm ready for the clearly political <hes> stew that is that it's making absolutely it's it's kind of like just a modern watchmen. I'm past Oh my God cast so good. They'd like all the best people for my favorite's great <hes> shows like the wire the leftovers Fargo and legion <hes> I was honestly shocked that we saw a little bit of Dr Manhattan. It looks like as I thought the one thing they would stay far. The fuck away from is Dr Manhattan baton because he's just such a game breaking character but like when the life on Mars Song Kicks in and you know you see like the photo that little blue figure on Mars and then he picks up the mask at the end it's but I think this could be more about hearts and minds than it is about like mighty power. That kind of thing 'cause like power only goes so far. You have to be able to get people on board with your 'cause. Dr Manhattan. I don't know was very good at that uh-huh so even with a doctor Manhattan in the mix I think it could still be very interesting. Yeah seems to be asking a lot of human questions. I know I haven't followed any of the comics after our graphic novels outside of the original ones and I I know that we're some expanded maybe Prequel universes ten years ago they came out of the whole line of like the prequels to like how did Adrian Vate vite bites become Ozzy Mantius like villain in the back story of Eric War shock and the Silk Spectre and things like that the modern incarnations of them <hes> it wasn't endorsed by Alan Moore or anything like that because nothing ever will be okay see I mean when I was getting as that I think it's really interesting to update Rohrschack to be the looking glass it's sort of reflection of humanity and it seems to be more grounded in human relationships and how they interact with each other than it is just like existential space conundrums for that giant tentacled monster. This looks like there's a couple of things like I really liked the Jean smart character say what's mass cop and a vigilante and I I duNNo. I don't either yeah the clock MOTIF chief how they did the logo like it was like the Doomsday clock counting down <hes> getting to see justice trailer beating asks what the Tick Tock trailer is so good. It's very good forgetting me pumped up yeah <hes> so yeah I again. I was not expecting Dr. My aunt looks like we're and get doctor. Manhattan and Damon Lindelof is a fucking demented genius and I hope we get get some more of that. Leftover fuels anything else to say on the watchman October Twenty nineteen. I think <hes> before you know it full coverage. Let's stick with the WS and go westworld okay. That's two bullet points ahead on mine all right suck it 'cause I'm half of that was my first bullet. Point and Holy Shit maeve kicks. It's not the ass she does. I was kind of surprised that we would get into some kind of carbon constructed world but we've got Nazi world. It seems like the robots are back in it yeah they just made make make copies of them and throw them back in the park. Anything could fucking happen. Those could be like Nazi maids and the real running out in the shock you to know that every single person you saw on the trailer was actually a robot version. There's four those Hewitt's just those fucking black marble so we're that's I okay. This trailer looks amazing <hes> but all the same bullshit that happened last season could happen this season again and I don't know if they learned the lesson that some of that's not fun or if you try to tie twist to so many knots that you stay one literally one episode head the Internet that it's not worth doing that I I don't know I don't know but this season feels like make a break to me <music> on Westworld I mean I won't like you know make a promise not gonNa Watch season four. If I don't like season three but like I certainly won't be interested in a season for like this is their chance to prove to me that they understand the mistakes takes that I think they made in season two and they might have like you know mister robot bounce back after season two and I think that's literally because he had a really messy time trying to you know fit. He had like a like a story and he had like half a story for that season two but it would been probably premature to jump into what he wanted to do. Season three so you kind of pat out and drag your feet. I wonder if westworld suffered from that same structurally they've got a four act thing that they want to do and the second act is just. It's a little weak <hes> I did like the idea that like <hes> <hes> deloris say I thought your ruled to be different from our because that's I. It does seem like the robots may be had a rosy idea of what planet earth is like like there isn't the powerful grinding up the week all the time even though that's essentially all of human history so that's kind of cool concept to play with to go. I was just GonNa say that. I think it's interesting that this could this could have of a really long life cycle but this trailer did feel like it was kind of final. Maybe like one or two more seasons. It could have the walking dead problem where you just keep this keep going back and forth between the robots and the humans in this you know this UNMOVING unmoving struggle go on to actual movement. If the robots either get I mean either exterminate humanity get equal rights or can are oppressed but like if they do the the two former solutions at the end of the series you know I feel love shows about breaking the wheel is what I've learned like. That's what she's trying to do in this. It almost seems like a manual for taking down our modern world. Hey before we go further in a conversation. A couple of things going on here. BOBBY DOT com this week sets in are still doing who's harlot season three on the bulb new T._v.. Feed the one. You're listening to right now heartbreaker episode this week <hes> if you got if you need some support if you need needs some shoulder to cry on right here this year feed watching Harlot. Check it out. I'm also doing Legion podcast with Jason Rim over podcast Ika we're crossing that the ball move dot com combined that a ball move dot com or podcast dot com. It's a final episode or final season of Legion only got three episodes left and it is getting wild and crazy. We also dropped into empire business podcast yesterday Thursday where we talk about some new advertising stuff we've got an advertising deal and a new exciting writing partnership and the fruit of that partnership is going to be dropping next week. 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Trailers so stay tuned to that all these things can be found all move dot com or search for bald movies and your favorite podcast feed what stick with the WS and go onto the next alphabetic order the witcher okay. You guys can talk about this one. I wasn't really when you said Henry. Seville was going to be the Girard. I think that's his name. I was like I don't see how that works because he's got the white hair and he seems like an older character to me but when you watch the trailer it seems to work yeah I'm. He looks just like the witcher I think I don't know anything about the witch. I've heard this is much more about the book series than the video game series and book series yeah. It's like this is like some kind of Polish mythology. Alad like game of thrones girlfriend is very into the witcher. She loved which or three what you think of the trailer. She hasn't seen it as far as I know okay well. We need her expert opinion on here. She's not here. I you know I just don't Oh no anything this look great. It looks like a very lush production. It's got big names attached. I'm kind of excited to give it a chance but I don't know enough about it'd be like Oh my God look at that. That's all I know is that there's the general Internet consensus that some of these women characters have been and it's not going where you think it's going okay. These women characters have just been reimagined in a way that's very different from there what was innovative in the video uh-huh Games but I just saw an interview at the show runner saying that we are not doing anything with the video game continuity that we're we're we're going. This is all about the novels which I I guess. I didn't know that either that the video games are only loosely adapted from the novels which if you don't like what they did with the women women in video games. You definitely won't like what they do in the novels from what I've heard really yeah they're they're not well written and they are subjected to a lot of shit that is not good well. We'll see that's a Netflix flicked series correct. Yes I can't wait for fifteen hours of that. The drop on the one one random Thursday at midnight. Can we talk about his dark materials. <hes> follow twenty nineteen was announced yeah whatever that means in twenty nineteen. I mean like I it so. I think it's like now. We're starting to realize what that dude was talking about when he used took over H._B._O.. And says he wanted to create the content. It's like when I was thinking like oh watchman and his dark materials. Oh those are going to compete on Sunday night so like one will come out late summer one and I keep seeing fall. I think we're going to have his leg. There's going to be one on Sunday night one on Monday night. There's going to be another thing on Tuesday night like it's just GonNa be round the clock. Every evening is going to have some bad assing H._B._O.. which is sounds amazing unless you're trying to cover it all and then it's like H._B._O.? It's just like you thought you were going to get a a holiday vacation. You Idiot and Jeff bezos jumps on the train and he spoiled the two and I think so so I I haven't read the books. I didn't see the movie but I've heard that this is all this is kind of like a secular allegory in the same vein that like <hes> the C._S.. Lewis stuff is like a Christian allegory and I saw this this concept that this Alethia Graham this device that can detect the truth and I'm like oh I see it now because even if you believe there is one true religion that means you hope you point this a theory device at any other preacher of the wrong religion is going to be earned and if that the public would ever believe in that it would like quickly. I mean either. All religions are Kinda true or there's only one that's right or for like my beliefs are probably all kind of mythology and whatever but <hes> that's that's that's GonNa be really interesting and I'm going to. I'm going to be very curious to see like what the public appetite is for that because you know that's something we talked about unlike the leftovers. Are there like devout Christians that are watching the show and turns out the yeah. There's you know <hes> there's broad minded and freethinking Christians that are able to like Oh yeah this is fantasy. That's not doesn't go along with my beliefs but you know who cares eighth thing right. The series is yeah but it might be like the way the Lord of the Rings by the way I'm trying to think. Is this going to be interesting thing to me is like the watchmen and I think it has like a different angle <hes> on the commentaries trying to bring but it also has like just a younger perspective and I. I don't know it's going to be totally for me but I am going. Give it a shot. I'm kind of excited about it based on the trailer <hes> could be interesting. I hope it's not too why for me is my only thing yeah. I think the most why thing about is that the characters are younger in a enders offers game type of way that it's not it is kind of why but also has much more adult themes is interesting. Yeah Yeah I think so if it has something and they all have the little ones then typical y stuff does than I will be satisfied. I'm sure like armored polar bears yeah yeah like you know. Tell me more about the helmet that day. Why is catching awry why because Holton homing the rise why now I think it's it's the concepts the the depth of the concepts to me <hes> and to some degree like the characters in it focuses on but <hes> level like pornography you know when you see like hunger games catching Nah the giver is why because because it's from the point of view of a younger person but they're also dealing with stuff that's way too like is hung on? Why no way ASS is it yeah I believe so I mean it's it's a weird I look at the author's intent and I think Mark Twain wrote that for a younger audience for Hawaii audience where like catcher in the Rye? I don't think was written for maybe early twenty. somethings but I don't consider that to be why yeah yeah you're making no one's making enough Ma okay something I know. We're all excited for the expanse season for L.. Yeah so they are going. We got a trailer and we got like a five minute sequence of the Rossinnot the landing on some brave new world and what could happen. They're working legend from GIN alley there to meet a the guy to play. What is a true fucking asshole really got the spoiler he takes? He's got this book for. I don't know if they're going to do season three kind of red bull right yeah every four and this is definitely the plot a book for but they might do like they didn't season three to four and five can it how they did like half of two and all three in one season of the television show <hes> I love this extended cut just fills us with all of these expanse feelings things that we have seen the crew fight together against great says about they mmediately just continue with the continuity like this is Naomi's first time on a planet so it's GonNa fall down. It's not the grab isn't that just a gravity is her looking up and not seeing a ceiling is what really kind of like Shuker Bobby in season to season yeah thinks he's into right when she goes to Earth yeah seller like don't don't look too much up disoriented that was one of my questions is is where they're special space sunglasses because it's also brain. It's an idea that would be official equipment but and <hes> the moment between her and hold in looking at each other just yeah very excited. Plus apis still looks like a fucking dream boats route. You don't even have to say my knees buckle like <hes> like I saw the sky for the first time when I when I locked eyes with him on the trailer his name Captain Space Don's Oh no the why is he not the captain the pilot then Oh yeah as soon as he gets out he puts on hell yeah man. I Love Alex. This expanse does give me star. Were Star Trek feels where it's like. I know these characters enough that I just like seeing him. Like you know Amos like hinting. The thing that he tried to teach us all to wear heels or whatever it's like. It's just really fun watching Bobby Plow through a plate up cucumber sandwiches and the red band trailer. We got a good officer Allah what the fuck is going yeah. They freed officer officer <unk> dialogue. The B. is still she wants to be. It's this this book opens up a lot of Shit <hes> as far as like the grand plot goes well. That's what I what I realize is. The first three seasons are literally the prologue dog for that they wanted to tell and it like because that was always what scared me is like this protein molecule. I don't know like it's getting in the way of the story I wanNA tell when it's really the key that unlocks the door to the story that WanNa tell like Geez. It's it's it's. It's probably the single most thing I don't know it's it that in the watchmen watchmen unknown quantity like expands I this is a great crew great cast. It's in the hands of like industrious authors who seem to be taking taking their fucking serious series seriously whereas the watchman's like you know Damon Lindelof I loved the guys work <hes> but you know he can go off the rails a bit and the money man on this visas sure loves. That's the thing so he doesn't want to change it much. He probably just wants to say sure about the Ross nine copper plating this season i. I must have missed that. It's it's it's just blinding in the so I get okay. It was is part the writer it's like okay gotTA. It's gotta it's gotTa be all copper copper. They got Polish Green Shit like capitol. Dome's I want I want bright copper. How many more things would be named penis in this season? The the number is not zero peanuts. Copper is what it's going to be called anything else about the expanse no yeah I'm Super Excited Thirteenth Twenty nineteen. That's the one thing yeah we gotta talk about this okay. Are they going to drop it all for Christmas. I almost said No. The boys dropped the entire series today and I it's I I've never seen anyone tried to do a week to week thing through Christmas so I kind of scared that they're going to drop the whole damn thing. Here's what I think they're going to do because they did this. For season one of handmaid's tale as they gave you just the first two episodes anything they did that for another season but our series but I think maybe the first you to get you hooked and then sort of Dole it out that way because they believe it's really highly anticipated not enough to keep it alive on sci fi but enough to get it going on Amazon and get people a lot of new people into the new people excited about it because I you know like the save the expanse campaign like brought a lot of attention to it and I also think that if they're smart they will spread this out over like the course of ten weeks because this show needs that much like cultural imagination capture to build an audience like you can't shit this out on a single like the weekend before Christmas really kicks off and and and like who's going to be reading coverage of it who's going. I you know I I. I hope they do it. <hes> question you guys take a Christmas break in February if that happened I don't know I think we blitz and cover it because that's typically our Christmas. Break starts like seventeenth to the twentieth somewhere in there. I think we could probably get it in well. We should have screeners so that will help hopefully get like you know before a drops like at least half of the episodes assode covered and and and ready to talk about lately it would help it would help out a lot <hes> our work life balance a lot <hes> <hes> anything else on expanse probably my number one anticipated show this year over the watchman clear above the really close but I have this relationship comes down to that for me yeah. It's it's. I know this as good. I've read the book that it's based on. I know it's good if they follow that like yeah super exciting. I'm kind of curious because ah the big <hes> I try to spoil their free but one of the big debates it seemed like whether they would just even skip this book yeah it was debated and I'm like knowing that like if this was like a skip -able book and they are not skipping it. I think that's pretty interesting so <hes> I don't know I I'm curious to see after this season's over <hes> like ask like why did they think this is capable or like. I said I think it's GONNA kick open more doors on the the larger plot the grander under thing that's going on here so like almost think you can't skip that part. What you could skip is a lot of the kind of smaller stuff that goes on this seemed like an inch an interesting place to explore the question of can and you hand humanity enough to technological rope for the hanging itself like the like? It seems like that that humanity has technology that they shouldn't have for another thousand years. They didn't earn it. They didn't build it. <hes> in fact it was shit show to bring it into fruition edition and lag now. It's giving them so much power and so much expansion that are they ready for it. It seems like to me is going to be the reds the theme for the rest of the series <hes> okay well. Let's move onto the dark crystal age of Resistance Uh I has this strange because it's both puppeteer airing which is live and happening in their green screen the people out but also C._G._I.. With everything everything except for the puppets so it looks very bizarre <hes> I just I have no affection for the source material because of course it's magic and I was forbidden to watch it. I always thought it was a little bit creepy as a kid too and to me. This stuff is very team. America World Police Uncanny valley like I don't like they want him to look like this and just make him look like that as a c._G._i.. Model <hes> but I know that people probably lose their should if they aren't puppets so I just it's nice to me. It's I have a hard. I just have a hard time watching these characters and taking them seriously because they look like puppets and the number one reason that the Phantom for this thing exists is exactly that look could nasty creepy he puppets like did they intend them to be this way. It's almost better if they didn't because then they made some nasty creepy puppets unintentionally and we can point at and laugh. I think it's the full fandom but same way about a Nama Lisa which which was very adult but the puppets. It's just like. I just have a hard time. Stop motion but I'm saying it's still like the it it still like this kind of animation I because I think I can take animation seriously but it's like this type of animation. Just is not as expressive. It looks like a whole bunch of Bo talks at their best looks like a whole bunch of Bo talks weird latex. The actors in which I think is fine. I mean the dark crystal the original one was fine and and I feel like the puppets are CR crystal yeah okay. I feel like the puppets I mean just like any muppets movie imagine that they are an answer for not doing just all C._G._I.. Or animation and you WanNa have these is practical effects but you can't do both at the same time that just seems like it to solutions for. I mean if you have that kind of budget. Just do a live action completely or just do all animation C._G._I.. And then they can look exactly like you want it to what the combination of the two just seems unnecessary. I think that that's other thing is that like kermit. The Frog and miss piggy are very expressive and like they don't look human and they don't look like they're fleshes made. Your problem is with these specific characters that are humanoid yeah like I think I would take them like kermit can be funny and Kermit can be fearful and current can be like a fucking have a lot of pathos and same thing with Iota I don't have I don't have a problem taking puppet. Seriously is this style l. a. puppets where they're going for some kind of like heightened realism but it falls in that square now ankeny valley where it's like <hes> it's not human enough to where I can just kind of like anthropomorphized like a cane with iota and kermit and miss piggy and Fauzi but it's not human enough like you know Detroit become human where I can take it seriously as it serious dramatic act. It's just like in this no man's land and me that reads team America World Police redes- make a bunch of jokes about how stupid it is and how imprecise the puppets are or you make low budget children's entertainment but I I. I'm probably pissing everybody off <hes> but I have zero interest in this this project even if people say it's amazing Dr Crystal I've lived this far without any Dr Crystal in my life <hes> I'm cool with taking that that that streak into the grave yeah just seems like a property that maybe didn't need to be brought back to life especially when you already have labyrinth in dark crystals A. B. Version of labyrinth they think well there's thirty seven streaming services and they have to have content twenty four seven so there's no concept too stupid or too moldy. Jim Henson pluses what they're launching h Yeah No. That's still dizzy 'cause they bought literally the muppets <hes> then finally mister robot not really a trailer but just a little bit of <hes> some behind the scenes photos dropped six and a teaser like a little teaser of Elliott giant fucking is while someone scolding him for how many people he's. <unk> hurt to get the things that he wants responses. Have you ever heard of the greater good no he so the thing that I saw that came out. I think this morning like I got it in my inbox at like two A._M.. Today was these behind scenes images. Four all of them are just onset photos. I'm not super interested in that. Okay Christian slater still in it okay Roy Malik still in it <hes> but then they had to kind of interesting ones one was society mask on top of a wreath and another was the dark army mask on top of a pilot Christmas flights so it seems like this is going to be Christmas themed or or at the very least have some tie into Christmas. That's interesting because I think of like you know Christmas in a society where money has been destroyed economies in shambles calls <hes> but it's also going to be fucking cold and like what do people can't afford heat and I'm i. That's always been one of the things that sticks micro by Mr Obama. Though I really like it is that they have a lot of implications but when you see the larger larger world they don't really like none. None of it feels like the world that I think would exist if these things were actually going on <hes> and I wonder if like if they they set this in the winter you know 'cause like Christmas is cold but it's also very consumer driven and both of those things will be interesting to explore in in this context and it's the final season yes alike. You know this is going to be. There's a lot are riding on this because I think I'm kind of up in air how feel about Mister robot long-term like <hes> but if they really stick this landing it can elevate it and if it just kind of like never comes together then I this this show has always been very interesting fascinating. They do a lot. That's I just went and checked out there hundred alternate. What is it alternate reality Games they are they are they are G and like they've already got like would say so many things of that? That's going on <hes> and it's always gonna been always think fondly fondly of it but I'm just really curious to see if they can. They can bring it all together. We'll see <hes> also I think a fall premiere another one no holly just burst in her office and said Fargo to soccer as Fargo coming out this fall John this is big joke and better call Saul but hey the good news is I got a lot more time coming up here purdue. He'll send them off the club club up all move dot com. What is it it locks your car's steering wheel so that no one can take your car who can get into it? No one because it's locked by the club can use defeat the thrilling alternate reality game that is club that BOB MOVES DOT COM. Can you figure out the sequence of clicks you can click on to gain fabulous features like ad free feeds and laundry Jim Erin. Can you put the correct sequence of four sixteen numbers into text box to unlock lock these fantastic secrets find out on the next season of club that ball move dot COM <hes> okay. Let's talk about the boys. Level is always a new Amazon prime a series it dropped in its entirety. There's eight episodes the watch I love it up. It's most definitely not D._C.. There are a lot of a lot of big names attached because I was just. I was making a joke when I said it was a marvel DC crossover because I thought you were making a joke though being decent thing taught could've sworn I saw D._c.. Low but you might be right yeah just looks exactly like this logo except for instead of painting to the DC guys pans to the seven so premise of this is there are seven superheroes that are kind like the Justice League of America and there is a new superhero by the name of starlight who wants to join them <hes> and we are also introduced to this human distance regular joe character whose girlfriend is killed in a bit of Superhero Related Action and you get the peer behind the Superhero lifestyle and it turns out that they're just very there's just terrible people that this POW this this power that they have is is is unchecked act and also there's a lot of <hes> like like all the marvel and DC billion dollar franchises are still attached to these characters but they are morally bankrupt and are too big to fail and are too powerful to check. What does the world do about him and it goes pretty fucking far? This is at fault blown away by this show because I didn't know anything about it going in <hes> other than it was a superhero thing and it sets a tone one immediately. I mean even just a conversation between these two kids on the street where they're saying fuck you know wouldn't be able to to rip his off because he couldn't find it because he's invisible like they're having conversations every kid. That's that's a middle school superhero debate right. There should never see in like a marvel movie away. Nobody nobody would say the word Dick or fuck like so this sets a tone immediately and it keeps that tone and actually pushes that tone harder through the rest of the episode than I ever ever imagined <hes> and by the end of it. I was just left going okay. This is exactly what I wanted to see since I was a teenager as far as like a deconstruction of superheroes like what if superheroes were actually bad guys <hes> I know it just sounds like oh you're talking about super villains but in this case they have a really brilliant conceit which is their public reputation. Is these these fantastic do-gooders and behind the scenes. They're evil right. There's is an incredibly narcissistic quality to these type of people and why not because they're super powerful yeah and if you're if you're the flash if you're what is his name if you're the flash for anyone who hasn't seen the show Joe and you accidentally bump into someone. What does that mean? You're going super fast. Oh well you find out who minutes Ryan that doesn't make them a bad guy like a super villain essential essentially but you know you have have to his a super hero make peace with that but also what if you don't really consider the concept care because some of them because that's my questions like these guys start like starlight like we're supposed to understand that these guys were all kind of starlight at one point and their noble-minded powers but then absolute power corrupts absolutely and also you know like Superman in the man of steel he feels hundred thousand people easily in that in that confrontation he has at the Super Villain and what what does that does that blood wash off his uniform. This show does leans into that like maybe these guys were creeps to start with. Maybe some of them weren't but like so much shit goes down and these guys ex super human lives that it probably Dr Manhattan's awesome after a while and I think that's <hes> even Dr Manhattan had a little bit more perspective than these people did. At least he was aware that he wasn't feeling something and it's like midway through. 'em thinking like me and this may be more interesting. If like there was a schism between the superheroes where some of them are actually trying to live up to some kind of moral standards and others don't and it's there's a little bit of that in the watchman like everyone kind of knew that the comedian had a screw loose and then everybody nobody else trying to do better but and then I'm like oh well maybe the superman character the lander maybe he's that guy and then and then at the end of the episode no no we'll have his devastating because the way they shot that made it seem like this was going to be a flashback to the the guy who is speaking Kerr Karl urban character when he was a kid. Maybe for a second I was thinking that I recognize the guy the father okay from the previous scene yeah and I was wondering I just thought it was going to be like a standard like superman that he was going to be attacked by somebody and not only does he killed. He looked right at him. He recognized the homeowners out there hazing that your friend but he you can see when you cut back. He cut the plane right where that kid was plus. Any gives you like the Superman salute everything we've does it. I don't I don't know if I saw that but once the plane goes down he has a second and then he starts a smile. Oh God this guy is the most powerful guy in the planet right. Now what's wild is that this guy is the star of Banshee he was yeah but he's got longer Blah like he was wearing a buzz cut and bans. You've just <unk> stark black like a velcro patch on his head and now it's like you know this long like bleach blond hair and he really changed his look a lot but that guy's a fucking magnetic character and he's no slouch with action <hes> that that can be very cool. Yeah there is a lot of cast here. That was surprising Liz Liz this you still with me. I'm watching it with a heart. emoticons is like Damn Lisbeth. Karl urban urban is. It is natural accent. I love his fight with the invisible. Man is one of the more the one of the more incredible and inventive fights sequences. I've seen in the last couple of years. Disappointing rip is Dick Often Visible Dick quickly ripped off the outline his ass with electricity so hilarious yeah because this is described as a black comedy and I think the gear you need to appreciate it because you feel conflicted about those things happening eating but also this guy spends all day in the bathroom naked waiting to see I thought rapist I thought I knew I was in for when I saw Robin explode into Gore and then I was not prepared. I was still not prepared for that. You just told him their hands. Yes I mean I was. I don't know what the analogy is there with with dicks and whatever but I was not prepare for that scene with starlight we're introduced for the first time to the deep or whatever his name is and that was fucked and then it just kept getting more and more fucked. I thought there was no into it yeah wanting to see the the one the one here that they didn't even bother to really sketch beyond a homeland her which that they're saving after reveal is the wonder woman Queen Maeve Save. I wonder because I she actually might be kind of heroic but she's just hard boiled now because she's been dealing with these boys is for you know well. I think the person that you're supposed to understand is like okay. They are the good and the conflict starlight right for sure but but like again is that just because she's new at this and she doesn't know jaded yeah like the first time she's responsible for a look like a cruise liner exploding. You Know Our D.. How quickly do you get jaded about human life? I'm super interested in this. Yeah yeah go home and watch the entire series was interesting because it's <hes> the the talent attached this even on the creative side like this was <hes> comic series by Garth Ennis who has won several Eisner Awards <hes> I was familiar with some of work he did in the like ten fifteen years ago on the punisher and it's got Seth Rogan <hes> this guy also I think it was the one that wrote preacher and like their mission statement that they wanted to out preacher preacher preacher God like we saw most of the first season a GNAT fucking show was crazy took off after that too yeah yeah. I always wanted to get back to that but you know it's like trying to catch up to a train. You know you just get run over and over that content but yeah yeah it looks. It looks really really good only eight episodes so maybe we can come back and next week or the week after and wrap it up yeah yeah. We'll see kind of crazy schedule the next few weeks but we'll we'll. I'll see more of it for sure yeah for sure. <HES> WE WANNA talk about <hes> wrapping up low sus bouquets yeah. I've watched the last two episodes that I think we all did <hes> kind of disappointed when we didn't get the double car park yeah you know we'll it'll be just perfect if it was just him parking Tesla's at once. Why would that be more perfect? How would he do because it would be like they're pumping up this big crazy thing that he can do and it's just to cell phones? He presses self driving cars yeah yeah he actually in both of the car same time he's the only guy that can afford to cell phones on staff right because he's like been there the longest and he's he's the world's most amazing Parker but they didn't do it. I wish they would have shown that is <hes> it's interesting because it's I was I had clear favorites. <hes> I really liked <hes> Takia Taty taty and I really liked the chocolate guy <hes> Jas Andres and I thought that the God damn it. I thought that Ursula show Renault rate not right yeah I thought they were like just a straight man man and woman and there's hard for them to make an impression but like by the end of the season like already kind of felt the way I did like at the end of friends where like early goings I had my favorites of the cast and then like you know by the time you get to mid in the run-up for <hes> friends. If you're watching you realize like I kind of like them. All like you know like if you took any one of them away I'd be sad and I really liked what they did with Rinaldo and how you got to meet his idol and now that was a big disappointment. He realizes what he really wants to do. Is You know dues do spooks with his friends and I really liked what they did with Ursula character and her relationship with her and her sister and the prince she wanted yeah yeah and she uh I don't want to say too much for fear of spoilers like this whole season is out there. It's only been out for like done for a week so but the way they rationalize Totti's behavior her throughout the whole thing is fantastic. I thought pays off so well that they had these characters where like again not that they were in like they both one character couldn't couldn't stop from happening because of their self image and the other one is just just like dad who didn't didn't have enough self awareness to realize what and it's just they set that up the entire season and it was great. It was so it's yeah it's both excuses but doesn't really explain some of the choices she makes like yeah. Why did she dress like Jaylo from two thousand one V._M.? As but it was awesome yeah love it. It was a lot of fun. Ursula is probably the least developed character but I feel like they're going to do more with her next season yeah because they're setting up a whole storyline with her yeah so she was probably my least favorite but something has to be I liked I liked the resolution of Andres <hes> like <hes> his his his <hes> mysterious past oh right resolution of the king's speech yeah that's other thing is like I I wonder what they're going to do with the his inner demon because I love that character in the kind of like the relationship they had ed and and you her her review the king's speech when she finally got a chance to see how like low stakes at all was like oh I can't watch kings WI FIS down the why why finds finally fixed and it's wow no fred armistice does a really good job just like he doesn't Portland yet and just like he does in the documentary now series what he builds from essentially nothing is just very very impressive right taking being a really funny story but also making it compelling and has his great through line of connecting everything is is a gift and it's crazy to if you're looking for really crazy show this. Is it yeah yeah and if we don't like <hes> if you don't like a ten or fifteen minutes stretch don't worry they'll be another ten or fifteen minute stretch that you will like. I mean some of the episodes I definitely like more than others. There was one I can't put my finger on it but there is one that I wasn't super engaged with but it's very transient and then it's like oh now. They're doing something else or oh. Ta Taty has moved on to some other crazy scheme. The Marilyn Monroe possessed by the ghost of Fred Flintstone really got me for some reason she's dressed esta holding her skirts and the mayor's I it's not a sea monster but people like this crazy Kooky. It's great excited for the next season's. Yeah wonder if it'll be another six done or if they're like okay this experiment because everyone seemed a lot of it. I don't know what kind of ratings that guy internally but like it was a critical success critical darling on it had a lot stacked against it like you know subtitles turns out as is not popular people <hes> and this is like <hes> subtitle like I type of entertainment an also like I was worried myself about like subtitles with comedy because it's all about timing and if you're like is retired between their comic reactions but like and this is another thing with Fred Arniston is like the comedies not really in the mugging and if you're doing physical comedy there's usually a lot of dialogue doing dialogue at doesn't depend on like they're mugging and the rubber face. It's just dry delivery. Yes and situational stuff and yeah good so I think that's it for Bald New T._v.. This week that's all television. I mean Damn I felt like we we went around the horn. Yeah we ran a horn a couple of times. If you like to sit in feedback you can do so at T._v.. 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#46 EMPRESS (Shannon Marie Rugani) - Artist - BrianVee Whywework

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#46 EMPRESS (Shannon Marie Rugani) - Artist - BrianVee Whywework

"Welcome to why we work with your host Brian Veep as he speaks to people like you from all over the world as we together dive deeper into our motivations struggles joys. Seemingly missteps. Colds. Warnings. And Advice. which would be an encouragement to us all to get up. Get going. And keep on working. Working stopped. Working. Good. Now. Here's your host to why we work. Trying. A variety of this is why D- Day I have the great pleasure speaking with Shannon. Ru Ghani. Shannon is a very talented individual. She is a professional ballet dancer. She is a singer songwriter composer. Pianist and producer. But not only that she sees the benefits of getting into technology to integrate these two fields. I WanNa see what motivates her what keeps her going? What gets her up each day to work hard in industry such as hers. Join me in this conversation with Shannon, Mougani I'm Brian V. and this is why rework today as I just mentioned I. Have the Great Pleasure Speaking Shannon Ru Ghani but she also goes as empress her stage name the one for her writing career in her singing career that is starting to flourish so I'd like to welcome. Empress. Good afternoon young lady. Thank you for having me. It's nice to be here. It's wonderful to have you could you. I gave a little introduction of just mentioned at the beginning, but could you give us a little pathway of your life and then we'll bring it back a few years. I love it. Okay. Sounds Great. I am Shannon slash empress. I am a singer songwriter and a former professional ballerina with Cisco Ballet and a Broadway actress in a Broadway show called an American pairs and Let's see. Yeah. That's that's me in a nutshell and we can crack that nut now. And I'm sure you know. Thank you for coming on here. You've probably had cracked that nut many a times into repeat yourself. So let's go back and even this is probably something you had to repeat many times but when did you even get your first job? I, know just reading up on you listening to some of your interviews you started dancing at a very young age but what was maybe one of your very first jobs? Oh Yeah Let's see I. Feel like I just went to a dinner party and that was one of the questions like what was your first job? My first real job actually was Let's see. I was seven years old and I was chosen to be the littlest girl in the nutcracker for Oakland Ballet which came to my hometown. Not Watson that yet. But that's have been cracked during the holidays for me for sure to nutcrackers So start at seven actually and I chose I chose I was chosen to be. Though is like a little a little girl that really doesn't do much comes onstage for like the value add of being cute and and. Then, you know the end of the dance and everybody's like Oh. You know that's that was me. So seven years old that was my first job. Paying sort of position you yeah I think I mean it was dollars. Sentiment is really not much but but that was that Internet. and. This is a really fun job to when I was a Rona like I wanNA say nine I was chosen to be in this film with it till the starring Tilda Swinton back when nobody knew who Tilda Swinton was and I got to be a little extra in this phone call the deep end they cut that entire scene basically out of the film. So but said the entire day with TILDA, she's twins So we're hanging out with them around same ages, the twins and Years. Later I saw her, we went to this restaurant in Paris while this is a flash forward, American Paris opened in Paris like best marketing ever. So So. We were in Paris we went to the. Hotel I think is called l'hotel or something, and the the bar had on the menu until the swinton drink and house like all my friends about Tilda swinton and it sounds like a joke but it's not Tilda. swinton walks in A. Bar. And I just told the story about how you know met her longtime ago in this film that nobody's ever heard of before she was famous and she walked Ansa I ended up buying the till swinton drink for Tilda Swinton, and then walking over to her and being like I was an extra the movie you remove the movie. Everything since you know. So it was just it was one of those. Cool for his job to be in a film even if they did cut my entire scene. So, this is at nine, and then at seven, you're doing the other the nutcracker in. What I know that you started dancing at a even earlier age obviously since you're on stage doing these other things at what age was that was that. Yeah I think look my mom actually corrected me I've been saying I started dancing when I was six she said I started dancing when I was five but. I actually got kicked out of my first ballet class. For crying the entire time like the beginning till end Judah Smith screaming and crying in some teacher had to like the whole time and handed me back at the end of the classes like please do not bring the scope back. About the it's it's funny. Might I have a daughter? She's eleven and I asked her a moment ago I said you WanNa come in and say, hello tour she's like. I I recall and she loves belly. I recall bring her ballet the first time she was about four and there is the little girls there there some. So I mean some are probably. Too. Excited to be there because they. Had the talent that they probably needed at the time and they could develop himself. But then there's these other little girls that were just petrified but you knew that like at home they were probably dancing twirling in would allow to. On that spot. It's weird. Yeah. Like people they forget to walk even like I've seen kids I'm like, okay. No, you know how to walk but when you tell some little girl to walk like about China. All of a sudden like I dunno walk at all like I don't walk into the same lagging you're like. A no no. No. You know how to do this. I've seen you twirl around that's appear wet. It'd people just. They know that ballet is all about perfection incident all of a sudden. It's like, I don't know how to do anything briefing up you know. So when you went into belly the for for us I believe we kind of steered our daughter into ballet but it wasn't a hard. Sell, right. You weren't like a stage mom or staged add kind of thing. Yeah. No, I was just the proud going. Yeah sure. No. One's looking at my daughter and making sure there's no bullying her. Girl. Yeah, that's what I did. How was it for you? Buy. ME. My parents also because I was the first born there like what we do a little girl, you enrolled her in dance lesson is that what you do and they have the funniest story I don't think I've ever shared. This one is my parents. Came to the parent. Student whatever they have the parents can. Yeah So they come in all the other proud parents in everyone's you know it's like the kids aren't competitive. The parents are more competitive but like my parents were not very competitive in sports that they were just like all is are cute I was. Okay. So it was a split class tapping ballot a half an hour happened half an hour was valley. And this is. Not a school as bad studio at Super. Dali didn't goal There's only one in my town. So it like not hard find dance. To choose Marsha zero, six shining stars and I am the only girl sitting upright on my knees with my hands on my my knees totally like a statue on this like line all the other girls like running around and screaming and dancing around on just sitting there like a stoic right here. Yeah and my parents were mortified there like There's something wrong. What is she doing? shedded? Go play with the other kids she doing. She's so weird like why is she and then the teacher walks in she goes now ladies. You know where you're supposed to be an all girls formed the line are I was sitting in the middle? Like the ducks in a row macron's or like hop those feared she. Yeah, and I was just like I worked so hard and I remember thinking I remember this one moment I was seven. There is a valley teacher that taught the the. Like the seniors seventeen to eighteen and so she came her classes right after ballet class and I remember her she came and she would not stop staring at me and I thought shoes during those really bad his trying really really hard and she went to the march zero sick and asked her if I could be in her class seven and she's teaching seventeen year olds and Marsha had strict rules like kids cannot like they're they're in their grade level and that's it. It's like age grade and that's how. They're US category. It wasn't like beginner intermediate advanced. It was just like I grade and she had pretty strict that way and and the teacher asked in Marshall said no and the the woman ended up saying while she's not in my class than I'm not teaching here next year, and so of course here I am of like seven years old at the seventeen year olds all set in which isn't saying much to be honest. I don't want to shut down all of the girls in that class folks. That they were so good but it's a really small town. There's no real formal training. So it's really like big fish in a small kind. But for me seven year old I like rose to their level pretty quickly. So you. How I went from six to seven being onstage with the Oakland. Ballet it was because I. I. was like a dry sponge that just got thrown into a big bucket of water which is like. Absorbing I subscribed in that environment and it was always like I was always the youngest. As a dancer has always the youngest in all the groups that I. was with because I was always in a small town. Then I got into San Francisco Ballet School when I was fourteen. And I was the youngest in the I went from. There's level aid is the highest level of the youngest stiffen the highest level one of the best in history in the got hired at sixteen, which is one of the youngest in San Francisco Valley's too. So that was a theme. Throughout my whole career was always You know setting records for being the youngest in Lycos those rookies that come up in sports and all the veterans are like. Yeah they're like pop conflict who is this? Extra elbows or shots or Gomaa definitely not bullied a lot. But I was so naive that I didn't know what Boeing you. Home. School. So I didn't really have that peer pressure at as very naive to bullying for a long time. I'd be like they're being kind of mean to me but them you know lake. As a seven to. Fifteen year old your dislike you just kind of brush it off like one over. A million more friends in my life you know. You. It was interesting how you mentioned your parents and I was getting the sense said they weren't pushing you. You're the. First Daughter and okay. What with this child will put this child in this thing and see how she goes. It wasn't okay. This is what you must do in. Subtle, seemingly settled difference or it could be perceived suddenly it is a major difference on how parents. Parent yet in for you also mentioning homeschooling. So usually don't know your parents I don't know you very well but it seemed like you were nurtured. In an. A caring supportive home. So would you say that you at least initially because eventually added you know fly on your own but She for this podcast of why we work and understanding. Even. People who become parents on here's here's a way you might WanNa consider raising your kids because they too will get into the workforce and be productive member of society. So for you how how did that help in the way you know I'm a parent I fail I'm a horrible parent most of the Times, but I'm trying to be good some of the Times so I'm not trying to. That ideal. But how was their nurturing effective in bringing you? Incredible parents on so many levels because they They always supported me without pushing me and they always offered on. Their support as if it was always the backup plan like I couldn't fail. So go and try that, and if it doesn't work out, you can always come home. You know that was always the vm thing ironically my mom and dad. They sat all of the kids down at some. You know like a homeschool thing we actually had a great home school group that was like the the small town that we actually had a couple of families that would like we'd get some tutors and things going for for like. Writing less. Veteran. Yeah exactly. We had like tons of it was pretty cool on just my mom didn't teach us everything I was shoes everything. Did you do that from primary through grade twelve? All Yeah. All my entire school schooling was I went to preschool for like a month and I was not doing morale super shy in. Higher. It dried even. That's that's commendable to your parents like they tried public school. gave a try they try. It wasn't working me an all and actually my mom volunteered at the school one day and it was art class and the I loved art so much I was drawing something and And I always came home with half finished artwork in. So she volunteered for that class You see what was going on and it was it was because it was it was timed writes the only like a half hour for art and I there there certain things that I got really fast like as a kid has really good at math. So as like I get math really fast spelling right I suck at dying to this day. I'm still like how do you feel bad I? have no idea and and so like my mind works in different ways. But when you're home schooled, you can kind of edit for your kids 'cause like she was there when the alarm rang. A bell rang for us to like move onto the next thing I was like I'd always like freak out like. I didn't finish you know like I'm not done my art pieces man I'd I'd be like, yeah be gravity rockfalls like can I go back to my art now? You know it's like there is it just wasn't working for me personally, and so my mom had a friend who had home schooled offer children and they were amazingly behaved kids. They look adults in the eyes and have a conversation with people. It was like they're really evolved for their age and my mom thought that's it's just interesting and then she read this book called grown kids and another one called a Thomas Jefferson education and decided that like changed her mind and. My. Brother and sister were home schooled until high school and I basically graduated high school wait. This Dancing professionally. So but when I said in my mom and Dad, sat me down and said Okay I, want you to write down your dreams and goals in life and. I was I was like pretty concise with mine. Pretty good. To be able to write that down to for some. Exactly seven years. So Ballerina one actors to singer three is that not legs I? Mean I know in your own dog honest at all I now, a lot more drains that they're like specific that it was a big broad stroke, but it was pretty specific for seven year old to like now what I wanted to do with my life and I mean. That's when you know that there's someone upstairs that has your life planned out that you were sent here on the mission. I. Know That my mission was definitely performing artists and. That's you know grateful that I have been able to do that on. You know a lot of people's want to do it and then you know get injured. You don't have the right bobby type you have. Parents that don't support you. There's all kinds of variations, but I, was just like an. Parents Vance they don't do me but no one's really music like dad plays the drums loves it, but it's not like the piano or singing songwriting or you know so it just there's no reason for me to chosen those things at seven years old there's no one guiding me. There's in my small town to me like I'm about arena and this is what you should do. It's like I just I don't know how I knew but I knew. It's interesting how what you said someone upstairs to have a purpose for your life for chain agree. But in also not but but and also having your parents to give you that breathing room I mean you're a young but it wasn't that handle. You must do this and there was no seemingly alternative reason for them to get you into those. So allows you to to open up to think about what it is you'd like to do in you. Some. Good good answers and. I some. degree. One, of my girlfriends really fascinated throughout this She told her kids I love this. It's kind of along the same lines of all of the time love that she said that goes. Find Your Passion. Find, where you WanNa live and then figure out how to make money doing what you WanNa be doing in the place that you wanNA. Living and I always thought that that was so interesting because I kind of knew sound Cisco Ballet was the place I wanted to be a new I wanted to be there like there. There were so many little tiny things that I was like I. Was guided with my parents. I mean the kind of on this journey with meeks now new bike. I look back we all right steps but we had no idea what you're doing mean my mom would just she just asked me after ballet class Did you learn anything today if I started saying? No, then she's like well, I'm not paying for that. So. Let's find a better class for us. Then the next one and it was just the it was the right thing to happen but we had no idea what we're doing and it happens kind of more out of. My mom just like I'm not paying for. Our whatever's going on. Yeah Yeah. Yeah just. For you being in California do you think mean that many opportunities to get into say the nutcracker into the you know some of those extra scenes with the movie or any? I think. So I wonder sometimes because I in San Francisco Ballet in particular. I danced with people from all over the world and they all have different. Backgrounds in the UPBRINGINGS. Yeah in they're all in the same place with me at the time when I was in the company, it was like we're all there together. So it's funny how? you know it's it's written in the stars for you like I. think There's there's definitely a destiny for every one of us but like I think growing up in California does give you more opportunity but I think about like we'll if I grew up in San Francisco would I have just been a better dancer because I would have had better training a younger age because really my training only started when I was fourteen when I got into the San Francisco Ballet School because my dance classes you know I learned each teacher I kind of consider like a fairy godmother that gave you one or two gifts one FM would be like you know. Arms, and then another one was really fast footwork can someone else's stage presence because she was a showgirl in Vegas unlike new had like you know the? And then another one of the acting one would be speaking French. So they all gave me little nuggets but there wasn't one teacher that a all to me like they would have in a valley school. When are you gonNA vote? You're gonNA write your movie you're your man. That would be cute. Little movie would net that this little girl went. To Go and you had these little to these I mean you can make it put some technology I know you're getting into technology but these little fairy godmothers that do this and give you this and then, and then you love that that's a really interesting one percent. It started here and everyone is that's listening, but it'd be very. I mean ballet movies that my daughter loves them. But they I, enjoy them to the always get a tear and you see how they progress. But that would be very interesting to have these little girl growing up, and then she has this little teacher that gives her this in this in this can be you know dramatized or something along the way. And then in the end, she's dancing on the stage you know singing lovely I am or something. That's so beautiful I. Love It. Yeah. Okay. Well, it's happening. We're just this. Yeah. All right it love it. So I don't. Return projects. I don't want to drag you through the ballet school and all that you experienced. But how about the education that you received along the way? How how important that for you? I mean you can ballet but I'm sure you've answered so many questions about. Your No. Yeah. No, this is amazing. These are all amazing questions by a have not been asked. So thank you very much for getting creative on these the ballet. It's interesting. So the lesson, the one takeaway that I really like. This helped so much. Was we all work hard in the ballet in life in general like we there's a lot of people who work hard the difference between the light cord ballet and on the Prima ballerinas was the difference in the way that they sought. To find that I don't know what you're talking. Prima Ballerina like that's great. But what's the? Okay. So there's usually there's three or there could be more levels, but in San Francisco ballet civically there's the the there's apprentices and then there's the ballet manner soloists. For Four Ballot And it's Chrissy O. R. P.. S. Court Ballet, and so the Court Ballet is the ensemble of like the group of of swans and like principle is lead swan and if you have like a little solo part or something that's a soloist generally and in San Francisco Ballet, it's unique because they're not super rigid on the the ranking it's more based on your ability. Like if you can do a principal role and your in your brand new in the company in the quarterback, La and the lowest rank, they will still give your principal roles yet his and you might not be I cast for all but like but you know, let's say your second or third cash and you get a couple of performances. That's a huge opportunity for you. Are. Yeah Like. Actually is really beautiful thing because when you're talented, you actually get to dance the roles whereas like in some companies, they have very strict ranks, and if you're not a soloist, you're never gonNa do a solo likes you know our principal there's they're the only ever do that and sometimes someone's leg or something to finally get there they have to be black sign black. Shenanigans, exactly. That's encouraging for young people especially like yourself who is going up through the talent than you could shine oppose to waiting you turn. Yeah, exactly, and that was most of my opportunities came from just being prepared for the opportunity because you know people get injured and sick and something happens where the casting has to shift because someone else has to do another role and then it all these things and here I am I know the part in a ready and you know they. I was like fourth cast thinking I was never gonNa, probably do it but I was prepared for it just in case in the Justin case usually happen for me. So that was action. The best opportunity invest opportunities ahead, the ones I prepared for so. So that was Yeah. The the just in case factors really that's I mean, it's having a good attitude being easy going about things they threw me on stage for some like. A couple of performances in my career not just a couple many many performances where they just you know. Oh. cheesy. Going on just gonNa like it trusted. Opposite is the opposite of what she does. She can just reverse it and it's like, oh. My God like my brain is already fried from sixteen hours of for hersal in the all these things and Sherp I'll do. It would are like us to. A trusted me and because I learned how to be like they called me cool as a cucumber on Broadway his bike something went wrong. You just have to show must go on. So to figure out a way. A, and I always did you always get through it and you go to bed at the end of the night in your fine a stew this thing had one partner in a show that was was not my favorite show in the world I will go on named and my partner. was. miscast he was shorter than I was and he was not, he just had a shoulder injury and had always crazy shoulder lifts and things he was just not. He should not have been on stage with. and. For they're. GonNa tell me you lifted him up and started twirling him around. I wish on my God it would have probably gone better than it did. I would do this this mental exercise of. Imagining myself bowing healthy at the end of the show every night because I could have gotten injured several times working with this guy and you know these these lifts were not easy and it was just it was a nightmare. So I would just imagine myself healthy and safe at the end of the show bowing in like going home at night being totally healthy like before the show started just like digitalized that and knock on wood. You know like every show I got to go home safe. There are a couple moments where I was like I could have died but I didn't so but with the one thing you did ask me. To. Go back to the beginning of this. Whole thing. I took you on was the learning to work smart not just hard. That was the the main takeaway from my education there and actually like asking. Asking people to help. It's really hard to do because you have to be super humble and has to be open to hearing. What they have to say might not always be what you want to hear. But if you knock on someone's door and they they will open the door and and if you ask to come in, they will welcome you with open arms one hundred percent of the time I mean they're the people that I worked with were so talented and they were all from different backgrounds and they all had different strengths and if someone was amazing Turner and I was having trouble with this specific Turn then I would go up to them I, think you could help me with the turn. What do you think about when you do this and and watch me do it and what am I doing wrong because it's not working and they would they'd say, Oh yeah, it's this then it would work or you know they'd say, Oh, it's because of Blah Blah Blah. Blah and something would click than it was you know so much better than there that that channel's open. So when they see you, you know in company class or something warm up. They go hey, you know you're you know blow your back leg is to find you and that's why you're off. You know whatever. So they'll. They'll start giving you tidbits and because when you get when you go from the ballet school, which the whole focus is technique, and then you go into a valid company, they expect you to have technique already baked in and now you have to. Transform you into an artist and so you become an artist. But then what happens is your techniques starts declining a little bit and if your technique starts declining than you get injuries, you don't get better roles. There's all kinds of things you have to like it's It's you have to take it upon yourself to continue your education because you should never stop learning ever. But for whatever reason we learn in a different way when you get into a company just have to kind of go back to the basics every day the best dancers. Go back to their six year old self and you know like they're still absorbing. Yeah. There that that dry sponge still running it's amazing thing. So working smart was the thing that I really took away from that and that's helped me advice on so many levels. So you said that you were finished highschool homeschooling through high school or high school through home schooling at a younger age what age was that. I, finished it all out. Sixteen Yeah I was just. We were working full-time. I was starting to homeschooling. I couldn't be home schooled once I got hired. So what I did, I asked for all of the schoolwork that I have to do in the next two to three years and I finished it like Christmas break once i. that's all I did was school twenty, four seven for like battle. I WANNA say three weeks or something and I just graduated high school early. So. How far did you go with more academic schooling while you're in ballet school and? Taking lessons, but it started becoming what do I need to learn? To help me whatever it is. Yeah in my career in what's interesting because I do really well with privates. So I was always taking lessons like singing lessons acting lessons I started taking touchy lessons and thanks because it was getting into my body more and. Doing pilates lessons, Mike. All kinds of cool things that were helping me in my career and still to this damn always learning like, okay. I'm going to take a writing class I'm GonNa do this and I'm always kind of absorbing but I've never gone back fulltime to school 'cause I always felt like my career as an artist and I mean, this is my opinion. Only as artist you know working is the best school because working with the you know all of the people that lurk with. Yeah it was that was amazing. Now I know a couple of dancers who actually couldn't get. Professor. Teaching jobs in colleges because they didn't have the formal training or like education but they had danced for thirty years our way. Everything about it. Yeah and they actually have the on the experience. I always thought that was really interesting because you know college experience for artists specifically, it's like that's your prime anyway like for your body, your body's like kind of in its prime in, you should be working and then navy go to school later, which allowed to dancers do now they go to this program called the League program. Where to get your college bachelor's degree while you're dancing they like totally Taylor for them, and then a lot of them go to Harvard and Stanford, and all these amazing things. So you know people I might career transition was always into music cedar edge you know learning about engineering and all the tech stuff down. I'm starting to get into it's just it's been interesting by kind of learn as I go. Make sense norm age perfect sets in it hurts it's only know it makes perfect sense that you would only learn what you need to learn and you add enough on your plate in there is no need for anything else. People. Asked me yet people that would ask me especially from my hometown. Like What do you? What do you do for like? They'd asked me what I do for a living. Arena. But what do you really do like? Oh, my God, like it's a fulltime job and I probably make more money than you do and I do pretty well thank you look at this. Yeah. Exactly. So it was just it was interesting because people don't don't really take it that serious but at the same time this year finally, this happened What was it? It was something some government You know statement that came out that ballet's actually officially in the states at least the. Hardest physical. Profession in the country, which is kind of something else. So officially, twenty, twenty Dan nate finally and dancers on the side will teach fitness classes and that was like number five, a cherry topper, and all of that like on top of it all. We're like in the top five twice and I was Gonna ask that and then you you're bringing it up. Now is the idea of being a professional athlete. Yeah, you I mean by what you just said, technically you are did you always feel when you reached your pinnacle of or even climbing up that you're a professional athlete in? Especially America. Right like your football player you know baseball. Profession. You could take a lot away from baseball baseball's good but they're not the most athletic people at all times right and that you're looking at it Ballerina who obviously. You could probably jump higher and do many other things better than. Did you always feel that you are a professional athlete in the strictest of senses and even more? So than many others? Yeah. It was interesting because I got injured a lot early on in my career and we would be sent to this this like physical therapy rehabilitation center, and this this woman Leigh said Joanie was She's Kinda like the guru for athletes in the bay area and actually just well known and respected in the in the sports arena in general is like she works with everyone from you know football hockey soccer, tennis golf even like all across the board, all these things and she works with the San Francisco. Ballet and. He would have like the strike antic linemen like next year working out doing the same exercises and the difference would be one is like grunting and the other one's smiling because that's what we're trying to do in pain you like to smile as Allegro. Super. Totally like pain. This is what we do. Smile through it and So I remember. Saying all of yeah like tears only got we. Had So many shows where you know it's so painful to stand. They don't tell you this valley school and I'm sorry to break out this out of the dancers in the world. But in the ballet school, they teach you to be the Prima Ballerina and then they never tell you that when you join a company, you start at the bottom. So like you're going to be Swan Number Sixteen light with your arm shaking and life going, you know to sleep over your head and your feet are GonNa. Cramp. In your sweat is GonNa dip is stink make up there like you can't move. By the way like now we have to do the hardest slow hop on one leg that you can't feel like they don't tell you any of this stuff that being. At the top of your game in the Valley School, and it's an unlike immediately doing the easiest thing to standing that is the it was the hardest thing by injured a lot because our training isn't standing and you you would not believe how hard it is to stand. One leg heather puts turned out clean toes. Neck is this shoulders allen or like arms up whatever your vice upstarts fastening. Whatever, but there'd be girls he could see. Me I mean I wanted to cry sometimes but you're like, so focused that you don't but there are the girls that would just break on stage in front of you could see their shoulders like shaking across. Like definitely, ballet's the hardest thing everything for me. anyways. It's been downhill from here I mean even Broadway was like hard. In a in a very different way in much easier than valley you know. So you're surely an athlete. Young. Shannon I want to transition a bit from. Shannon to empress. If there's but but if there's any anything like to highlight of Shannon as the dancer be free to do so but how did you begin to make this transition? What said I mean it could have been the injuries could have been much just being tired of dancing like for a career. What was it the transition Jew into this new path of work a great question. So I feel like. The the transition was really gradual. It was finding my voice release what it was. I found my voice surprisingly the ballet where I mean I was always allowed person like injections always allowed. Valerie. Now you've ever met they were always telling me to be quiet. Now ironically will not go quietly you know like the loudest I never but the The ballet had a an audition or singing which was you know we were not hired distinct said like nobody really is is excited about this on dishing except for me I like secretly was really excited. I'm sweating. This from when you were seven yes exactly. Buck. So many had auditions for the role of Nita which is the only role that sings in west side story. Sweet. It's the short version of West side story and we aren't As it really. Anita. On. Way this February so. I'm so sorry to hear that need that. Nita yes. We are thinking of you and I will tell of fun story about good the play the role of Nita. Love it. So Anita was you know cicle role. Read Marie now, who is the in the film actually came to see the live performance because I ended up getting the the opening night and saying in front of thirty, five, hundred people for the first time. I'd never sung happy birthday to my parents let alone thirty, five, hundred people in an Opera House for a ballet were Nolan's expecting you to sing at all and so. Now. Yeah. They don't ever saw I, get Miss near so scary I was like so nervous like there's so many things that were going on but I'll skip through all of that and say it was a happy ending. Rita Moreno came backstage afterwards was like so proud and he's just we it was amazing. It was such a great experience and. Since that day have not shut up. So I was nineteen when I found my voice and and then the voice just kind of it started becoming rank. Have to get used to making noise at first I. Just was a still to this day have trouble breaking the silence because that's we were trained in the ballet be seen not heard and we take a lot of pride in the fact that I jumps we land. You know. quietly. So it's just take a lot of pride in our silence. Of Breaking that silence is really tough and the transition from that to Broadway loudest place evers not only the city. New York is super loud but it's the the people are louder you know and it's like first day of valid class we had a warm-up class in that way and I'll I'll tell you about how he got Brown it really fast that night. That I didn't need Christopher Wildman WHO's director for American a Paris was sitting in the audience and he saw me sing and when he was casting the show eight years later, he remembered that as a Ballerina saying ended invited me brought his Latte House stars aligned is amazing. So super grateful for that transition first day of work on. Broadway. So excited. We're doing a little up ballet class and the pianist is playing all these top songs which was like this is awesome. It's not classical. This is amazing. Started bringing pop song and everyone started singing along to it and I was like Oh, my God I've always This this idea like agreed alien meeting other greedy aliens. Where I was always supposed to be like Oh my God, I met my people in called route that night like they even get my jokes I mean it was like everything clicked for me and that opened a whole can of worms into. kind of being okay with making noise and breaking that silence and then like. Learning, how to make more of it and find Maya Voice So empress came from me just discovering my voice as an artist. It's the first time I. Career actually. Making it like mine. You know it's it's not someone else's steps not someone else telling me what my costume is and it's not someone else writing lyrics for me. It's my words my voice it's my music. It's my idea. It's all things. It's mind so. It was purely a self-coronation as I. I wear a lot of trs for a living. So so it was like every time I'd put my crown on a imagine you know the The crown is such an interesting symbol because they're candies so much insecurity in a crown like you know only because I've played a clean, probably hundred fifty million times on stage before had to know my history but the history of the crown is so interesting to me because it's A. The given to you by the Kingdom and it's only given to you for this lifetime however long or short that is, and then it's passed on to the next king. So no can queen. No Royal wearing it really owns the crown. So there's a lot of insecurity involved in wearing a crown because people need things from you and you you have more than someone else in the you're always planning outwardly and there's you know there's just a lot of Of Insecurity involved with that and so when I really became empress I, I was like, okay, this is a self-coronation i. it's. It's not that I am trying to rule already announced I'm actually just finally ruling over my own life actually creating my own happiness in creating my own are and really owning it, and if I can inspire other people to do that too I think that's just. A beautiful thing in this world could just shift from always pointing the finger outwardly to just shifting at pointing inwardly how much beauty and change we could get when we aren't so angry about the problems of the world or like we take on everyone else's problems we really just need to the only the only thing we can control is ourselves. That's really like bottom line you know and so actually. Yeah and that can be difficult. But when you can kind of start to realize that urine control than and you own your own crowning, you don't really need anything from other people unless you give your. Give. It away nuts it's your choice, all joys and so. I'm here to remind people that we eat our own crown and that we all have it within our power to take ownership of our life and our creator own happiness. So I'd like to find what you do to stay busy now as empress but do you have other people in your team helping you out like actually where did you come up with the word empress? and. I was like a that was an interesting popped into my head one day. Sounds like estee royal because I was always royal in ballets like I just feel like I had so much background of being a duchess the you know the the Queen Princess the Bris the that was always something That I I knew how to do that walk into the whole thing and I love sparkles and I love trs and that's one of the reasons why valet was you know perfect fit for me as a kid to was that candidate showed up at the playground in like my dance recital costume you know my mom would be like mortified like. Wearing wearing. sparkly kinks to achieve. Yara. At the playground on like Middle Winter. What are you doing? So it was. It was always a good fit from anyways in the end that fit my personality also made me feel like you know to create my own empire through this which is Hoping being a Ballerina and then going to Broadway everyone always called me this like Crema Ballerina. Newark, I'm like not Prima Ballerina but the then I'd go back to brought to ballet and it call me a Broadway Star White It's why do I have to always be something else for you people why you always need to put me in a box I'm an actress also dancer composer malls a songwriter on this singer I'm like I do everything a writer, do all these cool things. But why do I have to be one people and so being able to kind of have the freedom to create my own? Light Platform, my own I called the empire here. And it's mine. It's not someone else's it's not like I'm trying to rule over anyone else. I'm just trying to take this box and just like. Open up the walls so that the that we have creative freedom to grow and expand the way we're supposed to instead of always being something easy for people to understand it's like you know it's just it's not being an artist being in a box. So for me, I really liked the idea of empress in than it wasn't taken which I was just like shocked and recently got. Have a registered trademark for the names. Now, actually officially own the name, which is kind of fun. It's like not only pretend to own your crown, but actually to own the name Erico the same thing I'm people talk about branding yourself. I mean this is a more beautiful way to say your branding yourself as the empress in your. This is your band. Yeah that's exactly right. It's the brand is empowering myself and inspiring others to do the same thing. So do you have a team? The team is building for sure. I have so many people involved with my might success. It's like I told you earlier the. Fairy godmothers. Each one has their strength in each one has their purpose in my life, and sometimes it comes you know it's like an ebb and flow. So have a few people that I. Always keep close to me my husband's one of those people and then I have a producer and I have a songwriting partner that I work was sometimes in New York and and that's kind of the teams just keeps on building from there I mean it's like you know it just keeps building and I'm way open to continuing to. Built it's it's interesting because the music industry is is a little bit murkier than any of the cures that I've had as far. It's not that the people are bad. It's just that You have more options some years like the ballet. If you can't physically do the steps, you don't get heart and if you can't if you're not good enough, you don't have a job usually and says, it's very black white that way in the Broadway worlds you have to fit the bill perfectly on your worst day has to still be good enough to eight times a week you know and so it's a different thing. But then in the music industry, there's so many people it's just hard to know who to trust who to talk to and who to work with. So it's been it's been an interesting. Transition into that world because it's been a lot of my very close friends you know from the from the things that I've done who introduced me to someone and that's kind of how I've been networking is through people that I trust that introduced me to one of their friends and then that's kind of how it always seems to evolve. I'm always open, but it's harder on on. The Internet it's like, how do you trust people? You know all the things it's just interesting it. It's really interesting side lesson that you just said about. Things are black and white either you have the talent in a lot of these industries or you don't and you can't get a job just because you think you should because a lot of people that you know the word privileged I, mean people feel that their privileged to have something In the negative sense it's always touted just the idea that they have a right to this or this position just because no in reality if you don't have the skills, you don't have the talent you don't have even the drive to keep it up. You're not great GonNa last in these industries in even you'd say with music as well. It is not easy but. When it boils down to it if you can't sing of which you can then you will not find your position. You will not be selling records you might be Megan them, but you're not going to be selling them and that's what the ultimate goal. Yeah. At the end of the day it's I, mean the the ballets really the hardest of all the professions that I've I've worked in as far as you know if you can't do the steps, you're not gonNa just it doesn't matter who you know how much money. We don't like we are day does not matter if. You have to be able to do the job and you can't get away with faking it. There's everybody sees right through that. You just can't physically fake that on Broadway in fake it a little bit, but it's really hard to fake it eight times a week so they. Have a bigger pool to draw from like in the valley. There's eighty people in San Francisco ballet and within those eighty people, it's like, let's say forty women that you know now there's only ten women you can pick from for let's say the role of Cinderella or something because the principals Annan, there's only four you know like casts. So the now there's really you know it, it boils down to you don't have that people to pick from whereas on Broadway now it's like sometimes like seven hundred people for one role and you know and that's a lot the music industry. There's how many billion people on the though on the world like. There's probably when it boils down to it there's probably only like You don't five thousand people that you need to know music industry because they're the ones that are actually like the one percenters that are making making something move Mike People, WanNa hear, and whatnot, and You know about a billion people that are. You know also music industries. kind of confusing sometimes within the. The the murkiness of the music industry because you can get away with. Not, having the you can get away with a lot in the music industry as far as Not on Broadway because you can't there's no auto tune their snow rain recording live you have to you're doing it eight times a week Tuesday had. Like really amazing vocal techniques not lose your voice because you don't get paid if you're not performing. So it's like a whole that's it serious. You have to really talented do Broadway and then with music, you can get away with something like there's a lot of tricks of the trade on finding out what that would never fly in any of my pride earlier you know industries just I'm not trying to talk you know. There is a lesson in what you're saying that either you have it or you don't and even. You might be to smudge a little bit and get through the. Yeah. At the end of the day, you have to have real talent and you also have dr because you know you just have you just have to have. People around you believe in you, there's a lot of Elements that have to happen for someone to they don't just the star overnight thing does not happen. It's years and years making and a lot of people around them. Will. I'll share a little story with you I. Hope it doesn't go. Far off tangent. When I was born. This is how the story goes that. I know that my parents were not together in some time after leaving the hospital. My mom took me to a hotel possibly called a motel. And it was called Stardust. Motel. then. This year I went to Back to my hometown in Canada when my mom was sick and I had to go to a I couldn't find a hotel to go to the only one that was opened at that time of night was the stardust and I happen to speak to speak to the manager. and. She had worked there for forty years or something and I told my mom I was here in this lady knows that you know there is someone that came here years ago with the baby just out of the hospital and I told my mom where I was and I was in the exact same room that my mom brought me, which was rape beside the check in. And check in And so. That leads me to ask you. What does the empress to in the being the founder in? Of Stardust world productions. Own. My. God. That is the most amazing beautiful story by Brian. K There are no coincidences in life. We know this, but there is someone upstairs. It's just like it's called the God wink it's still hotel is still existent in Bedford Nova Scotia. That in the stardust. So yes, you're the founder. Stardust world yes. So I started starts world productions because there's really not a lot of female supporting female record labels out there and One of my missions was just i. just feel like women need to learn how to support each other within the performing arts specifically because you know that's all I can really speak to you but The that world is so difficult to. Are Losing Lights. That world is so difficult to support each other because you know it's like let's there's one role. For Cinderella End, there's seven hundred girls going out for that part or more, and only one person can get out roll into that means that six hundred, ninety nine people are not going to get that role and they're all gonna kind of be a little bit jealous and bummed out and. And then you're also if you're like specifically in the in the valley where you're learning role in your forecast or something, but you are better than the first casper person chance that you might get that opening night because you're you're better than the original person that they chose and so then with a do is they'll put you up against maybe one of your really good friends And then if you got that part on the friend is jealous and mad in the whole thing and they'd put you against choices really hard for women to support each other and and I find that. That's the missing link with female empowerment is that a Lotta? Times females just were not raised to support each other were raised if that girls prettier than me, I should like her or whatever it is and I just think that's not. Helpful for humanity at all. Knowing that productive and you know female empowerment comes from within and then goes you know. Needs to be within the female networks as well and so I thought it'd be really cool to start a record label to support empress. an-and, as well as other women in music industry in different ways, and not to be. Like. Because men have such. I mean I'm I'm working with Bart showdown who is like one of the most incredible guys because what he does he's a man in the industry that opens doors in holds the Malkin for women to get into the music industry and actually be successful and he protects them and he's makes you feel safe and he's just like he's a he's A. Such an amazing advocate for women because he really just like. That's why I have over his time with like beyond say lady gone belly eyelash is huge celebrities because they will not record without him anymore and it's amazing to just know that there's there's men that actually will support women's well. Yeah and it's just really it's it's beautiful of women in his profession attorney in. So it's just another world where you know we're finding equality, but they it's going to come from women's according women I. Think you know men are generally speaking you know I don't know very many men who? Are raised with a good mother that would treat a woman poorly in any environment. So there are those but I'm not gonNA, focus on that I want to focus on that happen too. Often what you're saying is that usually the women are bringing one another down. Yeah. Yeah. You see you see a lot of of that and it's just the way that you know we've been raised in. You know there's environments that just don't make it easy to support each other. No matter how much I was like loving on my girlfriend's there would be a time where the awkwardness out get a part she wouldn't end. You know it's like, oh And I was always happy when I didn't get a role because of the fact that you Never WanNa get part that you're not good at because then it actually could hurt your career way more than than if. You know the other way around because you don't WanNa. You don't WanNa ruin your reputation to do things that you're good at, and if you're that weak link in a show, people start resenting you on because they have to work harder because you're not good enough to do part You know whether that's acting singing dancing. Know, whatever it is, and so that's never good for someone's curse whenever I got apart at the excited because I was like cool. I got the part because I was the best person for it and I know I can do this good for my career But then you know like not every girl feels happy when the other girl. I accept. Now. So let's get life. Yeah. What's no you're doing very well, what is the life of the empress? Are you the empress? member. Just and I I guess is the life in day of empress now. You know I have been doing so much creative. Projects during so many during. Twenty twenty because there's no reason to release anything. Like the beginning of cove was just Weird time felt very selfish. Few were better. Released some music or something just like low. This is not right. It's not the right time to do nothing to do with it the perform there's like all the things you. So when I started doing these projects that I've been wanting to do, but I have not had time to do because I never home long enough to. Focus on them. So one of them. The symphony that I wrote. About eight years on the piano wanted to compose, arrange it in orchestrator and put it together. So I like a thirty. Minute symphony. Arranged orchestrated the whole thing. That I will I don't know how gonNA release it yet but there, it will come out at some point this year maybe I think at the end of the year and then I've written and recorded a bunch of music that I will be releasing next month I'm really excited about. Recording, a bunch of music videos which has been super fun because you know it's it's made me like have to be super created. Because Kovin I wanted a big cast for some of the music videos and then I had to get really creative in like now I'm the whole cast, but after play all these different characters and you know so we've been doing Kovic friendly projects but but you're forced to be more creative. and. This year I feel like there's going to be so much that happens twenty, twenty, one because twenty twenty was the year that we all went inside literally like back in our homes, we have time to be creative time to contemplate go to memories and final notebooks with lyrics and things. So it's been really fun for me to like actually have this time at home home with my husband we just moved so I've been like. unpacking for the past week. But that a lot of creative writing a book during a bunch space was A. I mentioned you're going to have to start writing your manuscript on your new movie dinner empress. Also. Keep in mind you're going to have to put some I. Don't know the proper terminology terminology like little someone that got beat by the empress and then. GOING TO BE EMPRESS TO LIKE T O. have. Right that little girl that got snubbed, and then she's going to be the new on whatever. To eight that you have to. Is. At. Two to. Three where the two of them come together become friends to support events efforts to to. To. To to like Lamm what the two of them together come together for us, world productions. And she. Is The fun part about being a you know in your dry receipts like everything's an option. Now says no boundaries in that's you're at now on board with my there's no boundaries that creativity just flows and you know when it's right just finds the right. You know what it'll pocket turns into on even though you're the empress I'm sure you have difficulties in what would be in your work something that is difficult that. We, can learn from. Well I. Think the hardest challenge that I had. Like I was so young growing up in the valley it was it was. Hired. This is a girl thing sub sorry that you're here for this, but it was my body changed the went from being a girl to turning into a woman and I had been hired as a daughter I have a daughter. That's my biggest fear biggest. Yes. It's very difficult but I happy happy story transition out of that, which was my So I was fired. This is how we started the conversation. I was fired for being fat essentially they could call me fat but they said I didn't fit in with the other girls and I was taken out of all the ballets humiliating. It was just like awful you now and it's it's just Hard being told that basically you're just like your ugly you know what's no never wants to hear that and and so I just especially in a visual art form, it was really hard because it just like he. Now you're in a room full of mirrors. Now you're insecure you don't WanNa be there, but he has to be there. And all the other girls might have eating disorders around you and you don't, and you're like now contemplating, do I need to do that and my best friend Luke at the time? His mother was was going she actually was given three months to election stage four cancer, and the last you know thing that she decided to try a raw food diet. And he decided to do it with her and lost. Hon Away. I know like see like ligaments in his arms and legs Amir's like tiny. I can't keep weight on you need to do this diet. Now's like, yeah, like sold fat swan number seventeen. I was like, yes. To this side, I changed my diet I gotta natural. Pass. We did a couple of cleanses I lost all this way. Elton. And I got my job back at the end of the year, and I also had a longer career than anyone else that I know of. especially, all of the people that I started with now they lasted is eleven years in San Francisco ballet when the average is usually three to four years maybe I mean the principles usually keep going if they want to for. That can go for twenty years of their bodies are hanging in there but. I, changed changed my diet to being so healthy eating eating foods is close to nature intended them to be in that was like it was a challenge that I accepted and then I turned that lemon into lemonade and Kinda literally actually like lemonade. But but that was that was a huge challenge. I think because everyone has body. And we all go through some sort of change you know growing up doing it in a valley company was like. The worst place for, I would never wish that on my worst enemy. Empress. At this, this is your former life. I mean, what is your? Challenge Bris of. California. Of Amendment of the world what? I, you're too polite for just letting you RAMBLE A. Though good but it's So many people I mean. You conjured up many questions I want to ask like and then you answer a couple of the length of about a artisan. The. What is your your challenge breasts? My challenge. Servants could help you with your challenges just let us know. Yeah. My challenge is actually something that you can help me with is is learning how to get music out there and get hurt the enemy get my story out to people so that they can be inspired to become the ruler over their own life. I think it's like it's a bigger mission for all of us is to kind of share the message of. What empress in owning your own crown actually needs. So it's it kind of if each one of us could just show for our own crown to the next person I think that that little ripple effects might be really full thing. So yeah. The challenge now is actually figuring out how to get my music out there because there's so many. There's so many ways to do it. It's just like I have no idea sometimes. So that's always been using. I said this at the beginning before recording that you have a beautiful voice and I'm not just saying that in my opinion doesn't matter what it really is in people were to go on Youtube and find your videos that you have on their lovely I am your other one that you have just most recently isn't it? We own this crowd. Correct in you have the video with it does for people to listen just wants they will know that. Dick that needs to be spread. So that won't be a challenge for you. I mean, it's initially seems like a challenge, but you're in the right place. Yeah. It's giving them giving that first little snowball rolling down the hill in the this time to actually me. Yeah it has been weird year for sure like I live for being on stage, and of course, the stage is not been an option for quite some time so. That's that's has been a challenge this year, but I will have in a EP coming out in November with budget music videos, a bunch of liberal projects that I will be releasing. So make sure that you go to my instagram. That's kind of like the one that I keep up to date and my website, which is www dot dot com, and just like kind of trying to keep up with it all because it's all coming out in November. So obviously, you don't have a promoter, you are your own promoter. While right now I am for sure. I. Know, it's all right. I'll give you. I will give you more opportunity to to as much as you want for to to. What has the empress. What brings you most satisfaction in your your royal kingdom. Being able to create anything that I can think of that's always been. My dream is just. To actually be able to keep creating everything that's in my head. I think it's a great name I keep saying it I mean the more I don't want him call you your other name anymore the empress it's really good. It's really So. What he as the empress or as the entertainer because you mentioned acting as well would it be a understand but what you do and what you're growing into right this? New Role that you would like people to understand. So they have either a better understanding of the industry that you're in or just you as an individual. What would you like people to know about you that they probably don't understand as To what's a great way 'cause like I said earlier it's like everybody needs some something that's chewable. But it's that I am an artist and I am a performing artists and that that means a lot of things that that means that I pop music but I also do right classical music and I I do. Write I write books too songs and I'm. Know Movies to now So so at plays in things so it's I I don't want to ever put any limitations especially like What I'm singing now might not be the direction of I'm GonNa, go five minutes from now I'd write music and pop. That's my direction right now. But at some point it could change and because I love different Genres, we might start mixing and matching. So I guess to not put me in a box is all I ask for people and? That they allow me to grow as an artist without limitations. That's all I ask from my fans and followers nets what you're saying but women to is don't pigeonhole the empress in don't pigeonhole women because they're more than just something that they're doing. Yes exactly. Exactly we are. We're all more than our professions I think. the profession if you're really. You give yourself time to dream, and then you you let that dream Kinda settled so that you can sort of it's like when you're standing in water, you're moving around you can't really see your feet than if you let that water settle, you can start it. He could start seeing a little bit more detail and that's kind of you know you have to let things dream and let it be vague wishy washy in like don't share your dreams with everybody is not everyone will be as. Excited about your dreams as you are. But when you can dream up what you WANNA do and you can kind of. Let that dream settle. then. You have like target that you can aimed at and you can really see it and the closer you get. Obviously but more details you can see like when I seven I wanted to be a ballerina and then as I went like over Valerie San Francisco ballet by the time on sixteen by started becoming. You know more focused but I think having a dream. And like a goal and something that you can aim for always helps you yeah, which with you know whatever you do and I think it's tonight you have to keep editing drinking bigger and you know as you go but. Why we work I mean. You have to, you have to love what you do I think that's the answer that question yet that's coming. It is promise you thinking back as a dancer can imagine I can only imagine. How you were. Challenged to like, I can just picture like a ballerina putting on. La Slippers. Yeah and you know getting ready to you know the morning routine you in your song you mentioned blisters on your feet work to the bone like that. That does some very vivid imagery of what you experienced and I can only imagine some days you don't want to and you mentioned weight and ideal with like like last night at dinner after dinner, we had some potato chips like I don't know how you're not like. Or some chocolate or as some okay. Let's go to McDonalds or like one of the on just GonNa do it. But even now the challenges of being creative writing a new song getting you know the the music video right take after take after take what is Kena deductive what would maybe your motivating factor that gets you up and get you going. Oh Gosh I think it's it's kind of like that. The. Going back to the dreams. It's like. You can cut through a lot of bs by just aiming for a target. You know that it's worth it at the end of the day. There'd be times where I'd be in rehearsal and my toes with bleeding and I was getting yelled at and there were you my partner was mad at me and I you know with like just not in a good place every. Yeah, every reason to quit and. Just being yelled at for being fat like Oh my God like it's awful. There's all these things that would happen and at the end of the day. I would imagine myself like you know onstage getting that applause at the end and feeling really good about it and anything get through rehearsals like that, and that's life I mean if you really you know there's hard days for everyone and if you focused on the hard days than that's GonNa, you know be really tough it's GonNa be a tough life. If you focused on getting through those things now the only way out is through then you'll get through i. mean there's always the show must go on all as and if you can just get through those things. As light hearted as you can kind of enjoy that process because everything's supposed it everything is supposed to happen, and if you can learn those lessons, brew the Tough Times than the easy time just be that much better. You know. So that's how you stay productive. How is? What a what sort of thing keeps you most efficient what is a tool that you use that? You cannot you know when I asked this question, some people have it tour you know talk. By brain free maybe to voice. What is your favorite tool in even having the broad experience that you have in in artistry of not only you know singing dancing performing an acting in playing musical instruments and producing like this you have a wide spectrum. What is what is your? What have you found to be the best thing for you in your tool belt coats sit notes now I write down all of the things I need to do day and like it keeps me focused on that has been probably the best tool May Dad taught me that early on it's like. Right, down your dreams and goals then on a daily basis, write down little things even if it's like brush, my teeth wash my face. I'll. Love it yes. All of those posted notes exactly posted notes. What's the best tool is keeps you focused you actually have to physically write it down in it feels so good physically cross it off and I'm not talking about notes on your computer ipad or something it's like you writing it down actually makes you I don't know just feel more satisfied cross. It's funny. I like Shark tank I remember years ago there is an age doesn't matter but an Asian lady who presented Shark Tanker Connection Dragon but I think was shot yeah and she came with this plexiglass sort of thing to go around your laptop in it was forced. It was only for sticky notes like you'd put this thing up and put the sticky notes because you have been. Around only Laughter off stage but the sticky notes are good thing. They're the best of whoever the sticky notes I hope. I. Hope she may. Now we're a totally that's Chris. What is your top tip for people getting into work of my audience of people listening whatever work they may get into? What is your top tip for even a good work ethic. What would you say is that would be the your number one top tip. I would say. Attitude. Of. Gratitude. Being really gracious humble. Excited to work with people will make them work with you more and that will just I mean. If you make your work. Environment Fun. I don't care what you do for a living. If you kinda keeps some lightheartedness, you're still focused you're still professional, but if you can kind of be You. Know Easy. lighthearted intelligent. But like you know, you don't have to play it down or anything. You don't have to be the class clown, but just to make it a fun work environment so that you know your work is fun all the time because you know you can't just wait for the funny moments or something you kind of you know constantly create your own environment and know that you're in control of you know your. Your reactions in life in all of the things even if it's a stressful environment, just kind of try and make it easy inflow you know many times it. It opens up opportunities to if you're like until he does. homer. When going to work with you again, that's a huge compliment and. You know and that's a good thing to do a help me throughout my whole career. What does what does the empress to? When she's not working. What do you do a good life work balance lots of naps of professional napper and the worst I as the empress story is your in. So some people say well I'd like to listen to music I you know I like to go sing out. I take lots of naps I because I felt I sleep to Dream Silat. I reset my day several times a day. Take a ten minute nap here in there and it just kind of like keeps me. It's almost like it keeps my days in snapshots. So it's not just like big were wing the thing I just kinda like after caller something if you like a little map, even if it's close to bedtime, we'll just do a little nap just like reset my day and then. Have Energy and I feel like I wake up happy and refreshed every time. But I'm a pro napper I love naps I can take a nap in like two minutes. Nice. Little Book Ends Within the day. Yeah you Kinda like have these little like, okay. Let's start fresh from this moment on and if you're. You're feeling like your day's going sideways definitely take a nap because then it just stops it and then he can start over. It's great I'm a power three to six minute napper. Works were almost to the point where I just fall asleep and then. It's a whole new. That's the best. Got If. You look in the in the history books, there's a lot of scientists who used to do that. Do they actually sleep a whole night? They were just take naps through you know whenever they need to debt. Crazy. So As the empress. What you know to get to be an empress what did you? Or even better what do you wish you would've known? That would made becoming the empress that much easier or a little bit different. Yeah. I had this thought yesterday actually. Never lose confidence in yourself. Say is that you you are? You you are who you are and being confident to that, and like not getting powered other people is thing. So just kind of going into this new career. There's a humbleness that I have that sometimes can actually be go too far in. Oh I don't know what I'm doing I. Don't know what I'm doing and then I realized no, I always knew it. I was doing and I was just giving power and control over to someone else and. I shouldn't have I shouldn't have been waiting for this person I shouldn't have been so really just keeping knowing that you know I am I do know who I am and I do know what I want and. Not. Knowing is okay but but not knowing and giving your power to other people as unhealthy it's not your balance Yeah I think in this is true even saying throat and also. Being confident in yourself but understanding, you know there's other people in the world. There's other factors that are going to happen just because they happen. It doesn't mean you're any different than who you thought you were in it's. It's like the the adage or the saying of the airplane, which is true. It's when it's on autopilot it's always readjusting based on the winds in the flows of the currents of the air. It's going on a straight path to your direction but you're always adjusting, but it doesn't make any doesn't make the flight, any different or your your destination, every any different or does make the plane. Exactly, what I know the empress does not make many mistakes but what is one that you have made that you've learned from that you would like to share? Let's see. I actually would like to say that I have this thing that my dad gay losers Amnesia and I don't focus on mega stakes I don't even remember them most of the time which is. Interesting I do remember what not to do when I'm in the situation but I really trying to focus on what I did write as much as possible because I think the human brain goes down that path of mistakes and then it's like oops, I made again because that's what you're thinking of. Find focused on on. On doing the right thing. That's a great answer. I mean it is a better way to think of it and not only that I mean as I mentioned before the people of forgiveness when people do make mistakes I think rep regardless of recognizing recognizing wants mistake is being the person was used as being gracious. Humble. But also forgiving in as if you're if you're like that landing pad planes or constantly coming and going and not gripping onto feeling resentment in if you hatred rain but being forgiving because everyone makes mistakes and let's not dwell on them but let's move forward. We can learn from yeah. Yeah. Tell me you mentioned Education and I totally agree with you, and because some people get a little defensive like, Oh, I didn't go to college I didn't get a degree but what you did is perfectly suited for you. How how do you? Even though you didn't go to traditional school in, you didn't go something else. How do you value education or learning for people? So for my listeners 'cause there's there's There's some people out there that said, we'll education's not important they could be hinting at. Higher Education. University degree is not as important as it. It's touted to be which I can agree to for some things. But how would you value or how would you? What would you? Where would you place value on education? I would say that education is everything but it's learning how to learn for you. What's what's your best way of learning? Me My learning capabilities are not really great in big groups of people. So I was You know a great student in in private lessons. Still am I mean even my acting classes, my acting coach in York she had me try and take an acting class and I couldn't do it but in private I was fine it was just really interesting but I do really well on the job learning as well. So for me I just. Younger age I feel like because when you're home schooled, you're the only one in the class say they you know you're really. Tailored your your schooling is to you. Certain threaten. Subjects I was really fast in like I said, math I got really quickly. And then other things are just more difficult. Science was was actually not very easy for me for at first and then like then as I got older, I, got better spelling I. Still Second Spelling I mean there's certain things that you just. You know about yourself that goes with mistakes I keep making the same mistake with the same word all the time. Yeah I. Mean Like it's just there certain things but but I guess whatever works for you because you know whatever will get you to your heison. Greatest good for me. If I went to college had valet would have never made it into a ballet company because that's not the right trajectory for about Rena the valeted school happens much younger than eighteen nineteen twenties each night and twenty is your. Physical. Body. So you have to be already accompanied by then you know you don't have to, but you should be and so You know that that kind of changed my course because of course, I wanted to call out of college but then than it did make sense because I was fulltime doing ballet if you don't focus fulltime in Valais, you don't really get as far in your career if you're kind of like doing a bunch of other things because it's a fulltime, the profession. And and then for Broadway and stuff that transition happened. So than it was sort of like well, now, I need acting lessons I'm going to find the best teacher I'm going to get as much I mean I was taking three lessons a week for like two years. And then singing I was there all the time just like getting all these vocal lessons and then I have a songwriting partner we spent like years worth of time working on writing I learned so much from her because she's a teacher and but I'm learning the job so I'm always learning always trying to grow but I grow. In the direction towards my dreams right. So it's not like I don't waste my time learning about something that's that's really not going to help me get to my goals so Yes, all education on I. Think it's super important and if you're becoming a doctor than like you. Can't just have a mentor you know. You just you have to. Life Open Heart Surgery. Yeah exactly like we found a frog and I accepted it at now I'm adopted doesn't happen on that? Yeah I'M GONNA. Open up your brain the it's it's each each. Empress from your throne. What encouragement to offer. People especially. Consider now but it's no different. I don't think I. Mean we don't WanNa put too much emphasis on this year as always it's the worst of all times people have horrible times. All through life visit challenge in work is a challenge. For you for FOR PEOPLE THAT WORKING COLLAR JOBS Difficult. What sort of encouragement would you offer to people? Who are you know maybe getting into jaw into work in scared or nervous like thinking of you on stage thirty, five, hundred people. You probably had some jitters, but it's something that you had that focus to go through but. Who are disgruntled not very happy with their career what sort of encouraged would you apple them? I, would say. One thing that really helped me with just to breath breathe for it. Always if you're having a really tough moment, have moment will pass, but it's your choice to take the. It's your reactions you have control over them but it's you. Greece. Through that, it's going to be so much. Easier because you know that you're gonNA, get to the next one and then he kinda focused on something that you know how to do sound consciously. And that that kind of makes you feel a little bit more confident because he's subconsciously, even make you feel more confident 'cause you're like, okay I. Know How to do this at least you know that'll help me get through the next moment and then just just do it just get through those moments because on the other side, there's so much growth that happened between getting through something that feels uncomfortable and getting to the other side of that you feel almost refreshed. It's like Oh i. Got Through that and. Then, that gives you the confidence to go through the next boundary and it doesn't you know doesn't seem as big as the last one and you get better at doing that and then there's no fear there's no you know There's no more boundaries that you're afraid Shen. Yeah exactly. Yeah. So anyway, just breeze through it take a deep breath. In. Exile. I think we did a pretty good job of differentiating between. Shannon regarding the person and empress. The brand, the the the up and coming star who has a lot of talent a lot of know-how in this industry. How can we? How can someone reach you on either platform if they're looking to contact you or this is your your touting now you're Tunis's my putting the horn. Okay. Great So Follow me at my my instagram, which is empress stop music and then my my Shannon Rubini. Instagram as well and then Yeah. It's just I'm they're mostly at twitter facebook in all of that fun stuff as well, but it's all the same. It's all at music and then you know my website, which is www dot empress dash music. That is where everything is streaming on whatever. Music streaming platforms, you can find his empress. Dozer on Youtube as well which. Has To be accessed through your website. Empress Mrs Shannon. Final question for you. Why do you work? I work because this is my purpose in life. Everything then doing is is a dream come true. I work because I know that that was my purpose in life. This is my purpose in life. Empress. Shannon regarding. Thank you. Kindly you've been exceptional guest and I hope you all the best in your future and I look forward to seeing. Empress and empress to an empress to to coming in theaters near. Love it. Thank you for having me. Thank you for listening to this episode of why we work with. Brian Be. Shortest subscribed, follow, and share with others so they can be encouraged. Their work. I. Hope that you have yourself a productive. Joyful Day. In your work.

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Jim Jarmusch on How to Pick Up on Your Actor's Needs

The No Film School Podcast

20:50 min | 2 years ago

Jim Jarmusch on How to Pick Up on Your Actor's Needs

"Hey, everybody. This is John Fusco. And you're listening to the new film school podcast. It's safe to say that legendary odds for Jim Jarmusch has talented roster of actors at disposal. Bill Murray out of driver, until the Swinton are just a few of names that would rush to the directors back in call summit. But this is not solely due to the directors uniquely ri- vision and read cool. It's because Jarmusch has never taken the actor for granted the relationship between the actor and the director is a collaboration as important if not more important than any other onset and some directors seem to forget just how hard, the actress job is not Jarmusch. He takes the time to sit down with the actor recognized their needs identify how he can best serve them to get the type of performance. They both crave. It's true that over time he's built a shorthand with the actress he's worked with through multiple films to the point. He's even written dialogue with them, specifically in mind. But at its root, the basis of the relationship remains the same respect. Respect seems to be the through line in our conversation today. Gyms latest film, the dead, don't die is, yes as army movie, but also a plea for humanity to begin respecting one another in the earth on which they call home in the peaceful town of central Ville, finds itself battling zombie hoard, as the dead start rising from their graves a result of reckless fracking, which has thrown the planet off its axis even more. So it's evident how Jarmusch a true cinematic chameleon in his own, right? Respects the medium of film, and would like emerging filmmakers to do the same. We talked the director's earliest influences how music and sound effect every aspect of production and how keeping empathy and an open mind are the two most important, qualities a director can possess now, please enjoy the dose, affair tones of his voice. Brutally honest can hopes. All right, guys. Will this is a really special episode? I'm here with a man who really needs, no introduction. But I'll do it anyways. His name is Jim Jarmusch, and he has a new movie out called a dead don't die. It is a horror comedy. I would say in a way, but it kind of defies even that I think, in John Ritter convention, really voters. Thanks for having me. By the way, it's I hope it's funny and a bit dark. It's not a formulaic horror film or anything. It's kind of a character driven movie. That is hopefully funny and metaphorical and gets a bit dark. I would I'm gonna ask you of course about like your amazing cast, because I mean even the tagline of the thing is like it's the most the best assembled cast of zombies. Yes. Disassembled. Someone at focus features came up with that line, but I didn't object. But I wanna start actually talking about your almo modern talking about NYU and talking about how film school may have provided you with different opportunities than it would with film school since today. If you believe that's valid statement. What was your experience like at NYU your first movies were so New York Centric? And so, independent, of course, it's something that's carried on throughout your work, but how did your film making your film, making education, sort of put you onto the scene when you were first starting out? Oh man. Well, I went to undergraduate school at Columbia, literature and comparative literature. So then I was in a band, I, I applied to NYU graduate film school, but I had no money or any experience except a love for movies, and I got into the school, and I also got financial assistance. So I did go to NYU graduate film school. It was kind of mixed for me. There were a few really great teachers that I learned from an editing teacher named L E hammer. Oh, there were a few good teachers, but mostly. I learned from things outside the school, but my last year of school, they're Laszlo Benedict was the director of the school. He directed the wild one with Marlon Brando some other films. But he said, we have someone coming in here to gonna teach a guest teacher, that I know you're a big fan of its nNcholas Ray. And I thought you would be a good assistant to him but he got a meet him first. So he's in the next room, so I'm Nick Ray and we got along really good. So I ended up being Nick race kind of teaching assistant might last year there, which was incredible for me. So that turned out really, well, you know, but overall. I didn't get my degree because I made a film that was too long. And you know there were pro problems about it. But some years later, I saw that they were using me in an advertisement for graduate film school, along with Spike Lee, and Marty Scorsese's, your Susan Simon. So I called them up saying, hey, you know using my name and I don't object. But, you know, I never got it agree. And so then they gave me two degrees. It was kind of mixed. So, you know, you learned from whatever certainly seeing a lot of films as very important. And then getting a job on anything I, I worked on a lot of films, just jobs I could get, as a gopher I was a I was a gopher for few days on a hard core porno film in the late. Seventies I worked as an assistant editor on promotional things, and in. Industry films. You know, I, I did a lot of sound recording for different people's films. Like Eric Mitchell, underground, USA, or the film, Aaron that anyway. I just worked at whatever I could get, you know, just observe and start working in films. I actually, so I'm a huge fan of the criterion channel which just like started up to, and I was wondering I watched stranger than paradise this morning. Just as the prep to reacquaint myself with a year earlier work, and I was wondering, what sort of influences you had early on in your career like what movies were you watching? We'll classic films would classic directors. Really inspired your work. I'm very open. I don't like hierarchical approaches to anything cultural. So. I was watching all kinds of things from exploitation, films, to a lot of foreign films. And, you know, the kind of purity of films by people like breath, saw or just so, you know, ozone and Mitsu Gucci in Japan and Carl drier, and I was just absorbing all of that stuff. I was, you know, watching classic Hollywood films, a lot of film wives, very inspired by Sam folder, Nick Ray, who are two of my guides forever films by max. Oh full, you know Douglas circa just absorbed. Anything that was moving to me. So it's such a you know, so many films from around the world. That I just tried to keep my mind open and receive these things which I continued to do, and I'm a big fan of the criterion channel, you know, music seems to also have played such an important part in the way you make your movies and edit your movies, and just everything about them. Can you speak a little bit about how sound and music influence, the creation of your work? Well, if you're gonna I've said this before, but if you're gonna make a film, that's not silent than sound is fifty percent of your film, and sound is incredibly important, like on the dead, don't die at many of my films, I've gotten to work with a sound designer Bob hind who is amazing. The sky is like a poet with sound very subtle, and he just enriches the film. So all the films we've done together so much, you know, and music is incredibly important to me because music and film are to fall. Terms that are completely related in that they go by in the passage of time, that's controlled, so a piece of music, a certain length, a film is a certain length. So how they both move within that length is musical, even the images in film, I think of as musical how where the cuts are how they how they work on you. So those things are very interrelated and music is something incredibly important to me. I think. If we didn't have music, I don't know why. I don't know if I'd wanna stay alive. You know, I need music like a drug for me. I need it every day. Always so dialogue the way you write dialogue, -ly, approach dialogue is almost musical to in a sense. It's nice. You said that I'm not sure some critics wouldn't agree with you say, she couldn't he write some dialogue, not just, you know, for dick Yetlis nonsense. Well, when I try to write almost always, for actors that I have in mind that I would like to that. I'm envisioning embodying these characters. So if I know I'm imagining Bill Murray, and Adam driver, and Chloe, seventy, for example, which I did riding the dead, don't dial so, till to Swinton and steepest semi was writing for them. So when I get in a good place in my writing, and I'm, I'm just writing dialogue. I'm channeling what the characters are saying. And when it's working, I'm just writing it down. I'm not even really thinking about it. I don't feel there's a point I can get to not always. But when I do, it's really feels really good to just be writing down, what they say, in my head, and it's like I'm not I'm not conscious of what they're going to say so that I love when I get to that state, and some of the best dialogue that I write is when I get to that state. I don't always, and of course, I'm very collaborative. So when I'm with the actress, I always tell them you can change things around. I just want the meaning that I think what I think it means I want to stay and I may not want to explain to you what I think it means because it's different for each character. But yeah, it just kind try to approach it that way. You don't want to explain it to your actors. And I mean, I think for directors emerging directors to you need to put that trust in the actor that they can take what your underlying. Messages and give them the license to performance it, they're going to elevate what you wrote writes, your cooperating. But the danger I found, I found this in film, school is when people teach how to direct they teach you how to direct actors there it's nonsense, because there is no one way to direct all actors. In fact, there's only one way for each director to work with each actor. It's completely, you know, it's completely different for that every combination. So I've worked with actors who strengths are improvisation, and I've worked with actors who do not improvise. They follow the script the map. That's what they want. So I have to find, which is the strengthen this combination of me, and Tilda Swinton, and me and Bill Murray, whoever it is. So that's really interesting to me. But. It's bullshit. Anyone that tells you this is the way you direct. An actor is just bullshit. They're leading you down the wrong way is, it's a collaboration. And I imagine, you know it's it's easier after you've done multiple films with these actors like to build on that collaboration to have that shorthand. But when you're like working with actors for the first time is there anything that you're able to do to sort of put yourself in that collaborative nature to sort of pick up on what the actor needs. Well, I talk with them about how they like to approach a character, and I talked to them about the character, and then we read through the script and talk about it and often, I'll say, does that one work for you that these lines, do you think there's something better? Do you think we need this? How do you feel and we just we find our way each time? It's not that difficult because we both want to collaborate an it's not a fight. You know, unfortunately, Marlon Brando at one point wrote a book out. Autobiography in which he expressed this feeling about that. The director is the director and actress relationship should be adversarial. And you should the actor should be testing the director and sort of fucking with them all the time, which to me is just so unfortunate. I don't and I know even Nick Ray. I know he did a lot of mind games with certain actors, I can't do that. Man. We're trying to collaborate. We're trying to make something together and actors have a really rough job because they have to be an imaginary person on command. So people that and they got a wait and wait. And now we're ready for you. Let's roll up our action. And they've been sitting in a trailer on a bench somewhere. You know it's not it's not easy. And then they, they wait between jobs not knowing okay, what's gonna be next as of interest. And even when they do make a film, 'the. Their best scenes could get cut out. And they could in their worst takes could be put in there at the mercy of other people so man. They got I'm very sympathetic to them. It's just like okay get there, you know. Yeah. And get there. And then what if they did something great? But in the editing room, they choose a take that the actor would be appalled by. Right. You know, and they're at the mercy of other people, but they're, you know, they're like, when I'm working with them in a way and I don't mean this in any condescending way, but they are sort of, like my children in the way that you will allow your children to freak out or to, you know, have emotional things happen because actors are, wow. They're put in that very strange position of make believe on command. You know that's, that's a rough thing. And you're working with actors over and over again. You've built this sort of collaborative nature with them are is there any way you can sort of instinct. Actually pick out actors that, you know, are going to be collaborators with you for your next films. What are these signs? What is the ideal actor bring to the table for you? Don't know how to answer that I'm very intuitive, a can't analyze that it's very much just a kind of feeling and if you can, if you meet them, and you kinda you get the vibe, you know, you can you can tell by meeting people, I think you can you just have to for me. Just have to trust my instincts, but it's not something I could quantify for you. You know, so I'm going to have to wrap things up here. So I want to ask you a few questions that are sort of related to dead, don't die. But again, in this film, making vain you know, your movie is an apocalyptic movie. It's set in this world that you've sort of created out of your own mind in a way where you're almost a character in the movie itself, where Bill and Adam allude to the fact that you've given them a script at one point. You have. There's a very clear vision on how you think the world is going right now. What direction we're going in. So if the world were to actually end in two thousand fifty three or whatever like were hearing these days. How do you want film to evolve? What can filmmakers due to sort of press on the importance of humanity way? Oh man. I don't know. And I I'm not good at telling other people what to do. My thing, I'm still just trying to learn how to make films, still, which I will continue to try to do. But, you know, I really just we need new blood, we films, such a beautiful form. It's great form of expression documentaries have become very important as now all media media is corporate, so we need those voices. I just think we need to be empathetic, and we need new new blood using this form, and no matter how grim the future may be. There is always the incredible beauty of having a consciousness and of being a human being. And so, I don't know what to say exactly except you know. I do feel that like denial of this climate crisis and a kind of political bullying and corporate greed will lead to the end of the world in less. We are empathetic and together, not divided. So I you know, I don't know it sounds stupid, but a reductive, but I'm for empathy and the survival of beauty. And I'm for love between people and, and appreciation of human expression and just the natural phenomenon of being being alive on this planet now. Okay. Last question. Very good. I mean, you know, like you say a I think you hit at it, we always have to be learning no matter, what stage of our careers in your and also the an I'm not good at telling other people what to do. But I gotta say that never as any artist or anything you do. Scientists you cannot be afraid of making mistakes because that's what you learn from. So fear of failure is not an option. You, you know you failures important because you can do things wrong, and you'll understand why they weren't what you wanted. Sometimes she'll do things. Right. But they're mysterious, and you don't quite know why so embrace your mistakes, I would say and learn from them to, and, you know, you learned from them more than the things you did. Right. Right, exactly. If you had an oh, you don't like giving people are telling people how they should make their films. But if. You did have one piece of golden advice for emerging filmmakers. But with that be well, I think that would be it. Like, don't be afraid to fail. Just go ahead and go for it and try things and learn from them. And that's the most important thing. And then to trust your own instincts, and those of the people, you're collaborating with that you choose to collaborate with, and trust your each other, and trust your instincts, and don't be opened, but don't do things because other people tell you that's the way to do it. But again, who am I at Zandt you know, don't listen to me, then I guess. Oh, that kind of a racist, everything it's a catch. Twenty two contradictory. Yes. All right, Jim. We'll, I'm gonna let you will. Thank you. Thank you so much. And, and the again, we need new blood, so any emerging filmmakers out there, man. Just give it your best shot Nacre stuff being pathetic. Keep learning. That's what I'd really took away from this. Call. Good. Thanks. Thanks for listening you like what you heard, please subscribe to the new film school podcasts on whatever podcast platform, you so choose to use. You can follow me on Twitter at Jim underscored John or Jim, you can fall in film school at new film school. And of course, check out the site every day for the latest in foaming news. Later.

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MM10: Playing with Dolphins w/ Holly Kline

Beyond Picket Fences

12:03 min | Last month

MM10: Playing with Dolphins w/ Holly Kline

"Come on in. It's so great to have you here. Grab a seat and get comfortable. Welcome to meditation. Mondays brought to you by beyond picket fences today Climb leads you through meditation. All weekdays focused in grounded holly klein as the business owner of ricky light blessings. She has a rocky master teacher energy healer and yoga instructor. She is also the author of chrysalis. Road paulie holds a bachelor of art in psychology. She worked in traditional healthcare for eighteen years prior to changing to holistic health. Holly provides a variety of services that include ricky healing ray instruction guided meditations a cautioned meditations how to connect with your body and energy healing classes. She lives in colorado with her husband and three children. Holly enjoys hiking yoga and spending time with friends and family to contact holly visit website at raking light blessings dot com or email her at holly at raking light blessings dot com. Now settling. let us begin. I would like you to take a deep breath in through your nose mouth in like you to close your eyes continue breathing in and out and out like you to relax your head alexi in all parts of your head scalp forehead. Your eyes your nose your ears. Your cheeks neck relaxing. I didn't know of all tension in your head in lecture arms and your shoulders in your chest relaxing your shoulders. Your biceps triceps. El buse reforms Hans your fingertips. I've seen chest in your upper back letting all attention like you relax your stomach all parts of your stomach and your back releasing leading do relaxing. I would like you to let go of all tension in your hips injure behind relaxing pelvis letting go releasing relaxing. Tension is gone. I would like to all tension in your legs relaxing. Your thighs handsomeness. Ramiz russians your calves or ankles feed to new toes letting go of all tension in your legs. Now i would like to let go of any remaining tension you have in your body as you need deeper than that tension go. I want you to see this. Warm warns son. Son is not hot to suggest rate. I want you to walk. No one should see. The sun is right in front of you. Snap to break as not to one just to take a step into the same move this warmth fill your body warmth spread to all parts of you and it feels good. It feels coldness and health and love my jollity now. I want you to see a door in front of you. And i'd like you to walk through this door. I want you to look at your feet to see the sand beneath your feet. I want you to feel the sand. It's warm as welcoming san says. I'm happy to see you in so happy you are here. This is your home. This is your home in front of you and what you to see the water. The ocean look at the waves. The waves go forward and backward. Wants you to hear the ways. The sound is soothing. Relaxing judah want to the water to the water and when she to go ahead and step into the water in front of you in to see there. Is someone here to meet you that. Someone is a dolphin. This dolphin is joyous. This dolphin is happy. This dolphin is playful. Like you to play with this dolphin swim with the dolphin. You can jump in the water with the dolphin to connect with this dolphin. Now with the playfulness the joy freedom. The happiness wants you to see this rainbow rainbow. That's on the water to go ahead and swinton his rainbow you can bring the dolphin of the must've come to go to the rainbow water to touch this rainbow and into feel the light. The ringo has it be connection you have with this rainbow rainbow. Says you can do all things you can dream. You can have everything that is in your heart. Follow your hurts. Follow your turns. These things are for you. The connection you have with this rainbow lights what you think of a dream that you have right now. I dream. I want you to place this dream onto the rainbow or ahead. See yourself taking that dream in your hands from your heart into your hands and placing the dream on top of the rainbow dream. Glow look how it lights up. It is bright it is shining the rainbow says. Yes yes. I see your dream. Your dream is beautiful. I love your dream right says. Let me lift this dream up into the sky rainbow. Floats up into this time with your dream and as you look at the sky you see. Your dream is all their your dream lights of day. It is surrounded by rainbow white. And all you see is your dream. Your dream is so great and your dream. Says i am here i am real i am yours i am now dream says i am now you warm with the knowledge that your dream is now. Your dream is real your dream is your dream is this dream is now this feeling that you have dream the now it feels you. 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#817: Top 5 Movie Meals / WandaVision / The Truffle Hunters

Filmspotting

1:36:41 hr | 3 months ago

#817: Top 5 Movie Meals / WandaVision / The Truffle Hunters

"Every day can bring changes challenges and opportunities that can also change your personal or business financial goals and priorities as a true partner. Sandy spring bank can make it a little bit easier. Someone who really listens understands and then create solutions in hard times and good times. We will always drive to be your advocate today. And every day that's real banking for real life and real business visit sandy spring bank dot com slash real member. Fdic what kind of show you guys put not here today. We're not interested in looking to do this thing going to have a conversation from chicago. This is film spot. I'm josh larsen. And i met him. dr i know this doesn't exist. I know that when. I put it in my mouth. The matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years in i realize ignorance is bliss admitted. adam. You'd sell out the human race for a bite of that steak. I dunno is a medium medium rare gotta go medium rare atom. We're off to a rough start. Why am i not shocked this week on the show. Our top five movie meals adam. I got us reservations for two at the double our diner here. They've got great pie Pie can we agree on pi. If not stake. I mean pies okay. Band plus judge has been tuning into marvel's one division and you have thoughts that in more katherine those are my thoughts with review ahead film spotting support for this podcast comes from progressive. Saving money on your car. Insurance is easy with progressive. It's an average savings of seven hundred ninety dollars for customers who switch and save in fact. Customers can qualify for an average of six discounts on their auto policy with progressive including discounts. Just for starting a quote online or owning multiple vehicles get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you could be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey who saved with progressive in two thousand nineteen discounts vary and are not available in all states and situations welcome to film spotting with josh atom film spotting madness best of the eighties josh. We started as we do with sixty four films this week. We are down to sixteen not a whole lot of memorable movie meals among those remaining titles. Though i had you know in my runners up as i was putting my list together a slice of pizza from do the right thing that remembered pantheon title not eligible so couldn't include it. Yeah there's also a stake in raging bull. Speaking of pantheon titles that i think ends up on the floor probably still tasty as long as it's medium. Josh later in the show podcast. Listeners will get our thoughts on round two madness results and the sweet sixteen matchups radio listeners. You can always get the full version of the show at films spotting dot net or wherever. You get your podcasts. Let's start by setting the table for this week's top. Five movie meals by reprising the film that inspired it. The truffle hunters. This is now playing in select theaters. It had a limited very limited qualifying release last year at a film because of that qualifying. Release adam that made your top ten of twenty twenty. It's a documentary about the rare alba truffle and the men who hunt the italian forests for them. These men worth noting their in their seventies and eighties a long-standing tradition that there are part of now in my voting for the chicago film critics association. Awards adam. I nominated the truffle hunters in the documentary foreign language and cinematography categories. Clearly a movie. I went for but you liked it even more than me putting it on your top ten list so remind us why yeah top ten list and also a more prestigious award than anything that we would nominate for the cfc. A in our twenty twenty wrap party. I had it as my number one. Funniest moment of the year which does speak to really any of the true magic of truffle hunters other than it does have a very sly sense of humor. I'll give it some credit for that. Maybe more sly than we would usually equate with your typical documentary but there is an end. Seen that is an absolute howler. I know you felt the same way. I'm definitely talked about this movie. A fair amount going back to those end of year shows. And i think what stands out in my mind beyond the fact that there is at least one great meal scene to where we watch a not a critic so much as maybe a a food writer. I think he is something like that. We just watch in one of those great tableau is that the movie is composed on sits and eats a meal. It's an egg with some kind of fun. Do and they shaved that truffle on top and it was one of those moments of last year where i certainly saw that and instantly wanted to devour it but it really is the overall aesthetic approach. That impressed me. So much with trump hunters. Because it's just gorgeous. -ly shot truly gorgeous and atypical. As i mentioned in that it's not so much trying to capture the everyday life of these men and this quest as it is trying to render it in kind of a magical way because there's something kind of about this truffle why it tastes so good. Why so many people seek it out. How hard it is to get in the way you get it where you have to have dogs. Basically sniff it out and maybe it just surprised me josh to not only for all the ways that its unconventional as a documentary. But i went in thinking based on the brief plot description. That i'd read that. I was basically going to watch people sort of competing to find the most truffles or the biggest truffle and that would have been compelling enough but it really is more about these idiosyncratic men and their dogs in these kind of absurd but fascinating lives that they lead. It's word used for tableau. 'cause is really what you get in the portraits of these men frequent scenes of them. Just you know the camera holding on a frame that had to have been composed in some way. We talked about this a little bit right. How much of it was just captured. How much of it might have been composed end. Just these gorgeous images of these men either at work or in repose after they've been talking to the camera about their craft It's just one of the more beautiful documentaries i've seen and and that's why i you know mentioned it in the cinematography category and that's actually ataman. We're thinking about this list Seraphine top five movie meals. Cinematography was one of the ingredients. I i had to consider when it came to this list. I don't know how 'bout you yeah. Well i certainly going to spend some time talking about camera choices with my picks. But i didn't think of it necessarily as an ingredient. Josh that had to be there one thing we didn't talk about with truffle hunters. That'll touch on really quickly. There are a couple of scenes. Maybe one notable one anyway. That i'm thinking of where it's not one of those blows and is where they put a gopro. I think or something like a gopro onto one of the dog sniff these truffles and it's a nice little touch and breaks up the overall aesthetic approach. It did occur to me later to that. I wonder if it was actually a practical choice. Because maybe that dog was going somewhere that you actually couldn't go you couldn't maneuver in that space or maybe even get up that hill or just exactly to that space where the dog can go to seek it out. Obviously eventually his owner is going to have to come by and try to scoop up truffle. But i really did like that choice. The dogs are so great. I mean i. I wish i had a career vocation that depended that much on a dog for for some reason podcasting and writing. My dog isn't much help with that. But it'd be great if you had that sort of job. Yeah well let's go ahead and get into our main course then we'll start it off anyway. We're talking about movie meals and you mentioned part of your criteria here josh. I want to hear what else you considered. And whether or not specifically you focused on great movie scenes that involve meals or memorable uses of food and meal settings or did you really think about the food Combination so here are my three ingredients to a good movie meal. Adam i mentioned i won the cinematography. It's gotta look good. And yeah the the work. It sounds like you might get into his part of that. So i could broaden that to say the filmmaking right the presentation the cinematic presentation well done okay. That's that's ingredient number one. The second thing is some sort of narrative or thematic resonance so somehow at least ties into the other things. The movie is interested in or reflects. It it doesn't have to be like Hammering the nail moment where it it solidifies that theme. But it's somehow reflects it somehow relate so that's ingredient number two number three. It's got to be a dish. I love. I mean that the this is a very visceral. Yeah karnal sort of list. Were putting together here right so if i'm not responding to the food that i'm actually seen. I'm sorry i might appreciate what it's doing for other people who like that dish but it's not gonna make my top five. Yeah so i'm with you there. I think i made it much easier josh. I focused on just that final ingredient for the most part. It really had to start there anyway. How much did. I wish. I could change places with these characters and i'll be clear maybe only for the moment when they're consuming this food and no other moment in the film including before or just after but in that moment i am envious that i'm not having that exact same experience actually a longtime listener friend of the show josh younger man. He just wrote in about an hour ago. Josh my list fully formed but he articulated so nicely how i approached it and had a very good pick even though it's actually a blind spot for me josh says while as i've grown older i've stopped considering this film. One of his great works. Although i am excited to revisit it the blueberry pie that jude law makes norah jones character one car wise. My blueberry nights has to be on the list. View directors are able to capture food in the way long car. Why does after seeing it. I went straight to the local all night cafe where i went to college and ordered blueberry pie myself. So that's it. You have to have that type of reaction that visceral reaction as you said where you're like. I need that food right now. Yep maybe the most important ingredient for sure. Okay your number five. My number five is the sushi bento box in isle of dogs now granted. I'm an acknowledged right at the top. There is a dab of poison. I don't know if that's a thing. But it does have a little dollop of poison. Okay but as. We're going to see adam as i get further into my list. That doesn't that's not always a bad thing for me so sting this this sushi preparation scene. It's just one of many examples of the exquisitely detailed stop motion animation in wes. Anderson's two thousand eighteen phil. It has this overhead shot of a counter and always see are the chefs hands. He's quickly precisely preparing the sushi. Me the roles all the rest that go into this box and yes. I know what you might be thinking already like. Well it's animated how. How compelling could that be but this just speaks to the level of detail. Going on by anderson's team here. If you're a sushi fan you're going to recognize you know every cut every line you can probably almost identify which fish They're actually slicing up here and it does make your mouth water now. I wanna point out you know. Some have found this and the other references to japanese culture in isle of dogs to veer towards cultural appropriation. But as i said at the time when we reviewed it. I really think sushi sequence and i would include the taiko drumming on the soundtrack the frequent use of japanese script. The landscape we see that recall. Woodblock prints i. I take that all closer to being cultural appreciation. And i do think that's crucial to the larger political project that i see an i of dogs so this is a movie that came out. It's a movie that first of all about the deportation of a targeted group in this case. Yes dogs but it came out at a low point in american policy toward immigrants. I mean think about what was happening at the. Us mexico border in two thousand eighteen. And so i think it's helpful to layer a parable about cruel immigration policy with appreciation for the beauty and interest intricacy of different. And by that. I mean non white culture. I think that was that was important for american audiences in particular so i realized i veered away from the food. That's a lot to pack in a bento box. But i really e- this sequence really does make me want to order some sushi. So i'll dogs hits all my check marks for a great movie meal okay. Well we're going to stick with japan and we're gonna stick with animation though just like the poisonous with sabi. That makes it tempting but a little bit dangerous to eat. That's definitely going to apply to the roasted meats that we're going to talk about in miyazaki's spirited away only touch on the rice ball. The plays a very prominent role in the film. And i'll admit that this probably is the only choice on my list where that scale is tipped a little bit more in favor of the way food is used versus how badly i want to eat it myself. Maybe i'm just not into roasted meat as much as the next guy. But i will mention that. There are so many miyazaki movies first of all that you could choose from right. We watch these as a family. Over the past year of quarantine i think about the ham and there's more meat in agno and more meat bacon in moving castle. Calcified fers breakfast with the eggs. But the one that does stand out the most for me is spirited away of course the whole inciting incident of the movie is the young heroine hero losing her parents because they become pigs and she has to go off and find. Mc how she can reverse that curse and in that scene where they're wandering that space it's totally deserted and all of a sudden they come across the sizzle of food being cooked these huge plates of amazing looking cuisine. And there's no one else around. So what are you gonna do josh. But not decide that it's a feast that's been created exactly for you and you know why i love these scenes and why i love me ezaki. So much. such a fantastical world. It's these miyazaki dreamscapes. I've described the experience of watching miyazaki movies as one where it almost feels like. You're seeing a child's imagination. Unlock in real time. You know some some new creature place just being conjured in the moment. But there's this underlying humanity the grounds at all and makes it relatable and hear those parents. They are being tempted a little bit against their will. Perhaps there's something supernatural. That's that's drawing them to that food but seeing all of it wanting to devour at the way they do yes there's a gluttonous aspect to it but who among us is guilty of a little gluttony from time to time delicious to hero you have to tasteless. Just get out of here. Don't worry you've got daddy. He's got credit cards and cash. So i definitely relate to the parents there in that scene and then we get that wonderfully touching moment. Josh a bit later in the movie where. She's now sitting outside the barn where her parents the pigs are. Her entire world has been turned upside down. She's lonely she scared. she's exhausted. And the one character hukou who has come to help her offers her some food. It's a rice ball. Own gary and justice she bites into it. She starts to cry. You wanna talk about relatable who hasn't sought solace and comfort in food before right and the ironic jets physician of the sadness. She is feeling and expressing while simultaneously shoveling food in her face. And you also get the sense that she's crying maybe even just at the act of generosity in sympathy in a world that doesn't make any sense and where since she's been there. She's the target of such animosity. It it makes us such a small but profound moment yet. Great seen love spirited away. And i'm so glad that we're each going to have a studio ghibli representation here on our list. Because it's it you'd have to go with their so many options as you said. I i even in researching and trying to remind myself. I came across a super cut on youtube of pseudo jubilee food scene. So maybe we'll link to that in the in the show notes but my pick isn't my number four so i'll hold off their. You may have mentioned it. You may have given it a little bit away. Their adam but Apology i'll get to mine in a little bit at number four while there was a time when beasts of the southern wild appeared on every other top five list. I did that sound right atom. I think that's how things went for a few years there. It's been a while. I've laid off but the time has come again because my number four movie meal is the fried alligator that little hush puppy is served about midway through the film. I think it is by this mysterious mother figure when she's aboard the floating bar elision fields. Them people say they life is going to be all had been looking at boost. But i'm going to say you know you need to get out of here right now. Lifetime vehicles seat but which one day everything your plate going in. Nobody going to beat at a pick it up for you one day all along you allen. I'm john wallace. She plays hush puppy of course and giovanni is cook in this scene. Who welcomes this. Lonely child into her kitchen gives her food gives her a side of life advice as well. It's beautifully filmed by the director. Benzoate lend the bits of flour that catch the light as it floats in the air and that reminds us. It's a callback to earlier in the film when we were told how hush puppies mother before she left her would make this very same meal. So this whole sequence captures what meals can mean to us emotionally. Especially i think the ones that we had in childhood and one of the things that beasts of the southern wild traces is childhood being taken away too soon now about the deal itself. Have you ever had alligator of any sort. Adam i have was it good was it. Good iowa i remember taking my now wife then girlfriend out to a fancy dinner at a new orleans inspired and corday had they had alligator as an appetizer. And we said we're going to go for it. And i remember quite liking it. Josh okay. good especially in that scenario because it reminds me i was just driving through western illinois and in the middle of all these like farm fields. I saw some sort of like cajun restaurant as kind of like. I don't think this is where. I'm gonna eat cajun but i'm glad that you had a good experience. I've had good and bad with fried alligator to be honest. I've been to play. I mean it's really tie it can be really it's tough meat right And so it can be a little dicey. But i've also had it at places where it's just delicious so i genuinely do like this meal And you know in this scene scene. How lovingly prepared. It is and i'm pretty sure would taste amazing. We'll look culture you are. I've had alligator but once way too many years ago you can't even remember all the times you've had it well. I wouldn't say that. I will say the best allegations gator. I've had not iowa but florida so that does sound more appropriate. We did not coordinate. These picks at all. but there's great symmetry so far through our first two choices because my number four film and movie meal is one that would be right at home and beasts of the southern wild. Naturally that reminds me. I have to go back. You're really lucky josh. That were recording. These shows now remote and we're no longer in the studio because if you recall i actually had installed a buzzer to electroshock you. Every time reference beasts of the southern wild. That's right somehow had forgotten about that. I wonder if button is still there if they've had it removed. i'm guessing so my number four comes from the twenty ten luca guadagnino movie. I am love. And here's where we get the crossover to your pick josh. I'm calling the scene. What star tilda swinton calls it. Which is pronography. we're gonna get the carnal. You mentioned the carnal mo. That's what this scenes about and yes. It does revolve around prawns. And of course as i was thinking about this pick today and guate- nino's other really memorable film. Call me by your name. He does like to use food. Let's let's let's just leave it at that peaches well. That's that's where i was going. Josh there are none in this scene. though again. we're talking about food and carnell but this is tilda swinton's emma who had met a friend of her son earlier in the film. His name's antonio he's a chef at a dinner party at her house and later she takes a couple of friends to this posh lunch at antonio's restaurant and the scene mostly revolves around emma swinton and her reaction to the food beholding it the way she sees it the way she actually physically consumes it but we do see some of the prep josh. The the clear intent and even perhaps a little bit of the sensuality that goes into it from antonio side you can tell that he has a purpose and that he is there to try to impress her to try to transport her yes probably even to seduce her and he is successful the first dish she brings out. It's a new one. He's been inspired by her. And it's called leghorn style cod. And we then cut to her swin in that red dress everything. Around her including her guests are pretty sterile looking pretty nondescript. She is so alive already before the food even comes out with her reddish hair and that red dress and then she takes that first bite and you can tell the way she eats it that she doesn't really even have a second thought about it until she actually tastes it. That smile that smile. We've all had where you taste something. That is both delicious but completely unexpected like something that just catches you totally by surprise the way food can and then the next course comes out in. It's marinated egg yolk p cream zucchini flowers and the prins with radically and sweet and sour sauce. Oh yes and knicks fish with crunchy vegetables. Just in case. You're still hungry and at i. It's pretty traditionally shot. We'll get into the cinematography here. Medium shots close ups but then when the plate is put down and she considers it and the care that was put into it and how incredible it looks we then cut to the extreme close up of her eyes and this is the moment where these two people who are separated by kitchen walls and who knows how many feet and haven't even seen each other yet. I don't think in the restaurant. This is where the seduction really does begin. And it's all through the food that he's crafted verse. Something is being communicated through the meal and we see in the sound design and the way shot all of their conversation all of their thought all of their people drift away and this is just now experience that she's having with him through that food. The light glows around her as she touches it with her. Fork the slow motion cutting into the ron and biting it josh. Maybe top guns on my mind but take my breath away as she cuts into the prawn okay. There's there's less tongue there's less tongue. Police like how you ruined it. We get a wider shot of the table. We see now. She really is almost literally the only person in the restaurant everyone else's silhouetted. She's bathed in that light and we get that attention to the sound. I mentioned the clinking of the fork on the plate. Even her lips as she choose the food which sounds like it would be horrible. But it's tilda swinton so it's kind of exquisite the way she closes her eyes and savors every bite and we've all been there or at least i hope we all have you've tasted something that really does make you slow down for a second and ponder every chew because you don't want it to end and i was looking up some information about this movie today. The new york times called it a foodie movie in an article. They said some of the scenes were inspired by ratatouille. The movie the pixar film. Maybe that's why we get the use of that dish with the prins but the chef who served as a culinary advisor is carlo krecko of milan's crack. Oh restaurant and in that article he said really succinctly what i was alluding to before he calls food a tool to express the other giving that a lover can display to the other without words. Who knew josh in. If you didn't know you know it. After watching i am love. Well that's also got to be such a tough scene to pull offer an actor because it is. It is a cliche seen right. How many movies have that caused you know. Put the bite in the mouth closed. The is right. But you're going to need someone like swinton to layer at and make it sing in a new way. And as you described the filmmaking adds to that as well of course art my number three is tied day. Sarcophage in bats feast now as the title indicates the meal. That's at the climax of this nineteen eighty-seven danish film. It's from director. Gabriel axel. it's the whole point of the movie so to really go into this. One would be to give the entire film away. And i know it's thirty some years old but still you know fair amount of people probably haven't seen it so i i'm going to dance around this a little bit. Josh as it remains an embarrassing blind spot for me okay. Doing this top five all right i. Yeah it's it's like one of the major foodi movies right. Basically set in the late eighteen hundreds in this strict religious community in denmark. Where even food. I mean speaking of karnal like food of any sort. That's providing new. Any sort of pleasure beyond basic. Sustenance is suspicious as this carnal pleasure now. These two adult sisters as the movie goes on there. The daughters actually of the late pastor. Who used to preside over the community. They take in this french refugee as a servant and her culinary skills. Just begin to challenge this thinking as the movie goes on Basically that's feast. It's it moves from an understanding of food and cooking as forms of to seen them as outlets for creativity hospitality and even in in ways. I don't want to spoil opportunities for grace now as for the feast itself. This wasn't an immediate choice for me I think when we were talking a little bit on slack. I was like i don't know i know it's a foodie movie but i'm not so sure because i couldn't honestly remember the details of the meal that bat and she's played by stephanie drawn. That she makes. I knew it was some sort of like rich. French cuisine and then i saw on twitter because we did put out a calls for suggestions on twitter and facebook got a lot a ton of great responses but gabriel lob his handle is g. a. b. l. b. b. so good blob. He wrote this. I remember all the food in babette's feast being gross. Just looked it up. Yup still gross. So i had to like research the menu and well baby. Was he on to something here. Here's what here's what we have. Here's what served in that climactic meal turtle soup now. We've already established adam. I'm i enjoy eating swamp creatures. So okay by me french champagne. Of course who's going to argue with that rum cake. You know. I'm not. I'm not a desert guy. I'm not a sweet sky but but rum cake is on the list of of what i do enjoy. And here's the main dish. It's kyw sacrifice it's basically stuffed quails in puff pastry. I'm sorry gabriel. But it sounds good to me watching some parts of the movie again. Looks good to me. So but that's feast did make my list. It was the winner of the best foreign language oscar at the time top. Five food movies. I need to see the. That's feast remains at the top of the list. But fortunately for me. That's not the list. We're doing here on this show. I think i've mentioned this before but you had me rum cake. You know that. Unlike you and your wife debbie the go out and i usually get together on fire desserts and i love rome cake so much. I didn't know it until i was in college. And my senior year. I had to take latin and i do say had to take because i had to fulfil a foreign language requirement and of course i waited until my senior year to do it. So kramden four semesters of latin two semesters no i remember nothing but when we would take exams my latin prof would bring in rum cake. And i forward to the test. Josh just eat the rump cake. Well we're going to go for my number three from your rich french cuisine to not so rich classic american cuisine. And it's the all you can eat buffet in the florida project out. No you've got no mooney. The six year old girl mooney enter mother haley haley treating her six year old daughter to the swanky hotels. All you can eat breakfast buffet and no they're not staying. This is actually the second time in the movie where she's taken mooney to an all. You can eat scenario the first ones at a local diner where they just don't really intend to pay for the food here. They pretend that they are staying at the resort and get away with it. And here's the thing not only dessert guy and we will get to that on this list. But i'm a breakfast all day everyday kind of guy. I mean every meal. There is nothing better for me than bacon. Pancakes waffles. Bacon french toast sausage hash browns bacon a eggs bacon. I mentioned did i mention bacon. I think that's the key. Okay i said. Maybe i wasn't that into meet i'm independent. I might even throw some fruit into the mix. Josh like little mooney us navy and director at the same gun man. Oh man backs. Gross made forks up the food. Here you talk about the cinematography. The food is not the focus. We barely see it. It is enough to appreciate it through mooney. The camera is on her almost the entire time in close actually more of an extreme close up. There's no depth of field. Were only looking at moonie. And the experience. She's having putting all of this delicious food putting is putting it nicely all this food. She's jamming into her mouth. And sean baker the dp alexei even let her kind of move forward in and out of the frame going slightly out of focus or leaning back in. And you realize that it really is the moms of view watching her daughter play. That's what that's what she's really doing with this food. She's playing and it's mooney playing for her mother. It's mooney kind of putting on a show for her. But we're in the mothers. Is we to see it. As if it's a show for us. And i love virtuosity. The way mooney says that she's going to try strawberries and raspberries at the same time. That experiment doesn't go so well for her. She goes full wonka at one point. She wishes the forks were edible too and she actually wishes for a bigger stomach as we get these jump cuts as she's trying different things and actually that fantasy element of course is such a key part of the movie. The florida projects set against the backdrop of disneyland. And i love that closing line. She says life man better than cruise. Indeed it his movie indeed. It is brooklyn print so incredible in that scene and in the whole movie. But that's a dream scenario for me. Josh to be able to indulge in that type of breakfast spread with no repercussions on the pocket book. But there's another moment in there. I want to mention as the scene is coming to a close. The mom giving her room number fake room number to the woman who comes around asking for it and you get mooney silence. But the camera shows her seeing and hearing what's happening in hearing the woman asking other for their number and the mom gives mooney a little wink with a smile on her face. And that kinda gets it. The whole core of the florida project where there is genuine love and affection and playfulness between mother and daughter. But it's also kind of our little secret you know it's tinged with this harsh truth of this life a life where they spent a fair amount of their time worrying about what they're going to eat and indulgences like this are few and far between. There are all sorts of these types of secrets and negotiations. That six year old girl should not have to be burdened with and in the moms is and this comes at a point in the movie where they're really at a low point in the mom is certainly engaging in some bad behavior that is really putting mooney at risk and so the reward or the way. The mom almost justifies. It is through excursions. Like this as occasional as they might be. It's these types of rewards and little mooney is an old enough to make this decision for herself but with her mom. She is going to be able to participate in fantasies. Like this one. Well the scene also helps delineate. The movies concerned about the gap between the haves and the have nots. Can you think of a more. I don't know if it was invented in the united states. But can you think of a more american meal than the buffet right now and so. Here's this idea that this one resort a couple of doors down from where they live has more food that anyone could possibly eat that morning. It is going to be if not you know to your dream. Adam turned over to lunch and dinner. It's going to be thrown away. So why shouldn't these people who are who are struggling to to find meals. Be able to come in and eat it so i think it serves that purpose to it also reminds we yet. You don't want to do this at our age atom. Because even even when i was as young as mundi i remember. I don't know if they had these in iowa but in the southwest suburbs of chicago they had a place called shakey's and it was okay so been there once. I think well that's the number of times anyone should ever go to shakey's i would actually eat so much as a kid at shakey's i would be ill like when we went home at night i just could not stop eating the pizza and the potatoes and fries and would it was. It was like what you're describing like. I could not believe this was all available to me and i would be physically sick at the end of the night so it was a little bit. You know i don't know was shakey's competing with pizza ranch over there in iowa to say we didn't have shakey's tonight but we had the pizza around here the pizza ranch which gave us that type of buffet. Good of course. I'm glad you didn't miss out your description of how you indulge at shakey's feels to me. Sounds to me like a recommendation. I'm thinking sponsorship. I'm sure i think they'd love to have me give my first person experiences. Not five movie meals brought to you by shaky all right our main course. That's still had. We're going to get to our two top choices for favorite movie meals when we come back. Plus it's the sweet sixteen in films. Spotty madness. And i'll have a few thoughts on the recently concluded wanda vision stay with us Microsoft teams helping a bicycle company. Reinvent the way that they work we make low-maintenance bicycles per everyday. Writers wants a pandemic hit. We had nobody coming into the showroom so we started doing virtual visits via microsoft teams where it will see two or three. Fold the amount of customers. We used to be able to see all of a sudden. We could open up our showroom to customers around the world. I really think going to set a standard for retail. Moving forward learn more at microsoft dot com slash teams envision. Five pets are now. I want us to fit in. This is gonna be a gas. Where did you live from listening to film spotting that was paul bitney elizabeth olsen and national treasure. Kathryn hahn in the trailer for marvel's wanda division. It just ended. Its nine episode. Run on disney. Plus now josh. I have actually read the marvel comic vision written by friend of the show. Tom king this is not that as far as i know not even really inspired by except maybe partially the cover of that comic book and i loved it but i have not watched one division. I have only seen the discourse filling on my timeline social media. I'd like you to explain this to me. Like i just woke up from nap way. Too much discourse over wanda visit. I will say that and yes. It is distinct from tom. King's very very good run for their comics Similar know this suburban setting and some of the imagery they had to have been inspired by kings work Both narrative and the art that accompanied his story. This i would put it. You know. I think we think we've done. Mcu ranked at one point or another. I would put it probably squarely into the middle to a little closer to the top oil. I'm glad i watched it. The basic setup is that elizabeth olson's character. Wanda maximov is. I don't want to give too much way. Basically she envisioned. It opens where they find themselves in these very familiar sitcom scenarios of suburban american suburban life. So the first episode is a riff on the dick van dyke show and then we move on through the decades. Sixty sitcom we seventy sitcom in the first couple of episodes. I absolutely loved those I it was just an interesting conceit. It seemed kind of Not risky you know. Disney can do whatever they want. Nothing's gonna really be risky. But it seemed like they didn't have to do something as inventive as this. I'll say that so. I was intrigued by that. The way. the filmmakers The show runners in production design and costumes and even camera work and editing mimicked. Each decades distinct sitcom style was fascinating to me. They did it so well. And the way that olsen and bbatni. And even catherine hot. Who plays this kind of nosy neighbor. Mimic the performance. Styles of each decade and transitioned from that was impressive while still layering it. With this undercurrent of the characters we know from the mcu films now as the series expands it needs to incorporate the larger mcu so we leave this sort of we get the explanations for what's going on here. I'm glad they tied what we realize with sitcoms in a direct way so it wasn't just a gimmick but it still gets to be a little. Mcu syndication feel where we're in a familiar universe they're hitting the same beats there's colored light battles in the air and it just did eventually lose my interest to that and so starts out really strong necessarily fades in a way i kind of expected but maybe to fades too much more than it needed to. So yeah i know as someone who has an equally ambivalent relationship to the mcu. If it's something you need to feel like you missed out on all that much but there are definitely some some qualities to recommend it well however it is or isn't inspired by. Tom king's run. I did love that as i mentioned. And it made me curious about. Especially because i do love elizabeth olsen and have always been appalled bethany fan and and as i said they're both great olsen particularly. I haven't seen everything she's done since. Martha marcy may marlene but from what i have seen this is like. She's on that level again. This gives her the opportunity to do that. Level of layered work. which is something else. I was grateful for well. I don't know if i was quite ready for the layered work of one division and. I'm not sure when i will be ready. Meanwhile i'll give you my tv review. I finally caught up with ted lasso star faces stakes so far. And guess what my review is that everything the world has said about it is true. Yeah yeah i mean. It's rare when something actually lives up to the hype surfing that nobody has said an unkind word about n. If the discourse actually unkind. I prefer to live in ignorance because it's a blast to. Yeah it's an absolute delight. And i'm sure we will find out in the next few months. Why it is the worst thing the univers- has ever seen. Yeah yeah it has to come back around next week on the show. We'll have oscar nominations to grouse about the nominations will be announced on monday the fifteenth. And then we'll get to that oscar ceremony on april twenty fifth because the twenty year will never end Also next week right now. It looks like we're going to get back to our seven from seventy six best year ever series. We have so far talked about all the president's men that went very well very cordial we. We talked about taxi. Driver also went very well very cordial. We could now move on to either network In which case we risk. You're not properly appreciating one of my favorite movies of all time which which. I'm not sure i've entirely seen yet. I still don't know until i watch it. I'll know exactly seen this whole yes. Yeah we're at that age judge for that or we could go toe to toe apollo creed rocky balboa style boy and talk about the movie that did win best picture speaking of the oscars didn't it and i don't know ocoee sure of course stereo in the scenario i would be apollo creed because i have no ill feelings towards rocky at least i never had growing up with the movie and adoring. It might probably haven't seen it since i was in junior high. Meanwhile you're not a fan so you're the italian stallion your the underdog in this case josh. Oh you will be going against me and conventional wisdom. Perhaps and so. That's the question. Like when do i wanna take my rocky pummeling. Do i feel like i do. I feel like i'm psychologically. Ready to hear all the irit responses to i an appreciation for for rocky. Maybe it'll shift. I mean i'm gonna watch the movie again. I'm going to give it a chance you. Rocky balboa two thousand six big fan. I mean i'm not entirely anti-iraqi i do like it because i think it repudiates a little bit about what rocky was all about but but still i'll give the first movie a chance. I don't expect it to go. Well i expect to be like this is going to be my michael phillips and raiders of the lost ark experience. I'm already comparing myself. So maybe we should just get it over with. Maybe i should just flat out. You know i i actually listening to. You was going to suggest we go the other way. Maybe we keep rocky off the schedule for another month. We'll get to it around oscar ceremony time and let's go ahead and give network. It's reckoning that's why i can do that too okay. The movies were the film's tied for the most nominations. Back in nineteen seventy six ten of them and yes rocky did. In fact win best picture will also have the third film in our forties noir. Marathon nine hundred and forty-four laura directed by auto premature that just stars. Gene tierney and dana andrews. I don't think you can say anything heretical about them. Like you did. Veronica lake josh so there will be no fireworks okay. We'll see don't don't ever bet on that atom. I should have learned by now. Not too bad on that this week on our sister podcast next fixture show it's hard water part to leandra chung's minority paired with the nineteen eighty-six french film. Jean de florette. And then josh. They're going to pair riot in the last dragon with nineteen eighty. Two's the last unicorn. Oh my goodness seen riot yet. And have you ever seen the last unicorn. It's not ringing a bell with me at all. No though though. I'm thinking it had to be something. My younger sisters went wild for and eighty two. They would have probably been too young at that stage. Yes so no an eighties movie. That i'm assuming is not in film. Spotting madness nineteen hundred s. so it's not Wow the last unicorn. I'm gonna have to do a little research. Ingested new to the next picture shows hosted by tasha robinson keith phipps tobias genevieve kaczynski new episodes post every tuesday. Wherever you get your podcast josh. If you're so inclined one way you can support. Film spotting is by joining the film spotting family over on patriots. You get a lot of benefits for five dollars. A month ad free episodes emerged discount early. show downloads. you get monthly bonus episodes. We have one that we're going to be recording coming up here in the next week or so you get access to our exclusive monthly trivia spotting events next one is coming up march nineteenth trivia spotting nineteen eighty-four in honor of. It's an all eighties edition of trivia. I can't wait for that and then you do also have the opportunity to join us for our virtual watches. We had our second one just this past weekend. We did watch. Topgun me you producer. Same ben grin with a bunch of listeners. How did you think it went. I mean i'm just. I'm kinda doing victory laps adam. I feel really good about the repudiation of and the reclaiming of ice man as the true hero of top gun. I've got. I've got the polls to prove it. We don't think they knew what they were. Voting oh my. I seriously don't oh. There was a lot of confusion jesse. I have to tell you to clear. I have to clear the air. On here we go. I have to get something off my chest. Two things one two point late in topgun where i mentioned something i remembered my dad's saying to me at a point watching top gun with me. Which is where we see. Maverick toss some dog tags into the ocean. Because you know he's he's unburdened himself of the psychological demons associated with those dog tags. Or whatever and i noted how my father said. I can't believe he tossed those into the ocean. He has a son. Goose had a son. Why would he give those to him. Instead of just tossing away and a listener noted in the chat that he thought it was his father's dog tags and you know he's got the ghosts of his father and his reputation that's also a major storyline in top gun and it kind of blew my mind for a second and it's already hard enough to think clearly in this scenario josh. I don't know about you where you're watching a movie and talking about it with two other people while people are watching you a movie you haven't seen in its entirety in like thirty years and it's surreal enough so i was flustered by it but of course i was right. The listener is wrong. Those are goose's dog tags. And you know that. Because when they're in the air during that last big combat seen he's hanging onto the dog tags and he says. Talk to me goose. Talk to me before he re engages in the battle so they're definitely goose's said that's that's issue number one number two which way i should just say further confirms mave is the villain because he's destroying evidence at that point. Okay very that. He killed goose spoiler. Oh my gosh. What did i just do so this will kind of tie nicely to my point. I was looking up some details about the scene that started argument. The one where goose dies. Which i didn't intend for it to go. Oh no this again at all. Here's all. I'm going to say a second by second breakdown. We already sat through this. No josh you won't get it. But i just want to note that i was looking up some information just to make sure i remembered the scene correctly and the first google result that comes up is a screen ran article. That says why iceman really killed goose. Basically why mavericks should feel no guilt. And guess what they do. Lay it out line by line moment by moment and it's completely correct but here's the thing you've got a really great take on top gun. You've got a really interesting. Take on top gun on ice man in particular. It's just a take that in order for it to be true requires you to drastically. Overestimate iceman's selflessness. While simultaneously dramatically overestimating mavericks selfishness. Adam and in the middle somewhere in the middle. So i feel like we are. We are re-litigating election results. That came out months ago. The court is throwing box to box reviews coming out soon. The courts have thrown this out. The poll results are clear. I amanda recount. Iceman iceman also won the tooth off. I mean that's right. Yeah it's his film criticism going on in these virtual watches did have a tooth off. We renamed tony scott. Tony scott a lot of tongue in this movie a lot of tongue so hopefully it sounds like we had fun because we did adam next poll steak medium or medium rare. You're going to lose that one too. So do you think that's josh. I do know that there is conventional wisdom that says the more rare. You go the better. The steak is don't over it that you think that most people really do like it pretty bloody i'd there's only one way to find out. It's happening film. Spotting ball on spotting dot net where the most important life questions will be answered. That is going on the main page this week. Tell us we. I mean josh. You're making it sound. Like i said i wanted my steak. Well done i think mediums a pretty good temperature. Obviously you do. I you correct. Patriots dot com slash film spotting splash less. Absolute madness madness ambassador. Why should you build such a thing because there's not enough madness already on this show. It's time for film spotting madness best of the nineteen eighties round two results and the sweet sixteen matchups for newcomers. it's our seventh annual bracket style tournament. Sixty four movies only one survives. We are looking at only films of the nineteen eighties in this tournament. And the sweet sixteen voting is currently live at film spotting dot net slash madness voting closes. Monday march fifteenth at eleven. Am central time. Let's take a look then. Josh at the bracket see how the round two contests played out and see what's ahead in the sweet sixteen. We start with raging bull beating indiana jones and the last crusade fifty seven percent to forty three percent closer than i would've fought actually totally a top seed in this tournament in raging bull john. Carpenter's the thing. How about this taking down. My beloved pantheon movie david lynch's blue velvet the closest round to contest fifty one percent to forty nine percent. And if you wonder why. We engage in the silliness sometimes well. Here's big. dan t a listener. Who says the only good to come of this is that i'm off to rewatch both movies right now. Well see we did our work josh. Yeah exactly i. I think this is what i got wrong. Actually i mean it was. It was a tough prediction to make. But i figured these two would face off. Didn't know which way it would go. Didn't predict that lynch would go down. Wow these sweet sixteen matchup then is raging bull versus the thing. Could the thing have another upset in it. That john carpenter film could it take down martin. Scorsese's classic brings us to our next set. Josh right we have. This is spinal tap over. Et an upset. This is spinal tap. Rob reiner takes down spielberg and et fifty two percent to forty eight percent. The only reason this doesn't break my heart is that i kind of predicted this would happen. I mean how did you do that josh. I want to know. Because i of course predicted would win. I sound like i'm exasperated. I'm just shocked. I love et. I do favor spinal tap over it so it got my vote but in terms of what i predicted i thought it might have a final four run in it. How did you know spinal tap would win. I will tell you. This is the second instance. I forget what the first one was. Where you yourself. Adam campaigner have underestimated the atom influence. Got it see now. You're just trying to pump my tires. Trying to make me feel better. After the whole top gun thing and i will take ajar. Right amadeus matched up. Against when harry met sally in this round. And who do you think took it here. It was amadeus with sixty percent of the vote. So that means this is spinal tap versus amadeus. This is we'll get to it probably atom but this has got to be a killer for you adam which way you're gonna go yes and no it continues to be a killer. But i've already had to answer it at least twice on the show before and so just to try and be consistent. I am going to go the same way. The third time that i've gone previously. We did our top five films in nineteen eighty-four several years ago here on the show. I had to decide which movie i actually cared about more. And i love them both so much they were my one and to this is spinal tap or amadeus. I went with spinal tap. We then had to re rank our favorite films in one thousand nine hundred four after we did our eight from eighty four series last year we talked about amadeus and this is spinal tap and i stuck with spinal tap just edging out amadeus ajaj up now as much as it kills me again because i love amadeus. I'm going to give spinal tap the slight edge. I'm gonna vote for it. I have a feeling you're going to go on the day us. What do you think listeners will do. Oh man but my prediction is spinal. Tap Just looking at my chart there for a minute yeah. My prediction is spinal tap. And i feel bad now. Because i appreciate your integrity but i am voting personally in this. One amadeus even though my eight from eighty four ranking has spinal tap ahead. And i guess my thinking this time. It's very close. I mean they're both three and a half out of four stars on my website. Revisit both recently degrade appreciation. I think what. I just voted today. I thought about and we talked about this. The music and i am i going to go metal or am i going to go. I'm sorry maybe a little unfair bad metal experimental versus mozart. Well as i said metal and mozart so for me you know. I'm going to preserve the music of mozart. I think i'm going to contradict myself in. Vote that way here. I mean you can hear mozart in all sorts of different places in platforms. Josh but big bottom can only come to you via the magic of this. Is spinal. tap needs to be burt. It's not going in the incinerator. I think it might advance. I do wanna mention here. I got both of these wrong. I think i only got maybe three wrong. This round i got both of these wrong i thought. Et would win. And i thought when. Harry met sally. Everyone tells me how beloved that eighties movie is. Thought it would take down. Amadeus it didn't happen out of. How many times have we talked about. When harry met sally on the show zero there you go. The shining went up against a fish called wanda and it wasn't much of a contest. Seventy seven percent to twenty three percent. This one was closer the terminator over fares dealers day off three to forty seven percent. We've got a comment from bruce. Mcclintock how am. I supposed to choose between these two movies. One is about an unstoppable force that uses stolen cars and voice mimicry in a relentless pursuit of his primary objective. And the other is about a terminator. I chose the terminator qalandiya had similar thoughts. One features sociopathic monster unleashed a penalties threatening to destroy. Humanity's last hope for the future. The other. Of course. Stars arnold schwarzenegger collins says i feel like i'm stealing this from john hodgman but can't find the quote in both of these comments atom. Speak to my reservation about fair. Buehler's they off. I feel like a lot of people have watched this movie since they were younger and find fares just insufferable and i just remain my personal hero in my mind. Well based on those comments. Very funny guy. I think bruce and colin should obviously get together and go bowling. The sweet sixteen matchup. Then is the terminator the the shining. We have another unstoppable kind of force in jack torrance or the shining itself. I suppose up against the terminator josh. This one's pretty easy for me. I'm gonna go with the shining here. what about you. Yeah the shining for me. Absolutely all right. Our next match up was blade runner versus stop making sense. Blade runner took it pretty handily. Seventy one percent to twenty nine percent. Jonathan anderson and denver. No i only just discovered stop making sense last year and now it's going to be gone like tears in rain. Diehard went up against raising arizona little closer but not much sixty two percent for die. Hard only thirty eight percent for raising arizona. Brent lambert pheno said. I need raising arizona to win or films. Spotting madness will become a rocky place. My vote can find no purchase air newer chimed in being made to vote against the coen. Brothers is not my idea fund once again regretting getting so involved. Yippee kyd no thank you. Mother madness. Sure sure if the cadence works out there. But i see what you're going for air. Yeah the sweet sixteen match of then is a tough one it was really tough for maybe the toughest. Well no the second toughest. I think of the sweet sixteen bladerunner the die. Hard one of the best sifi neo noirs ever against. Maybe the best action movie ever josh. Who are you picking. Yeah you just. You just set the terms that i considered an and i've used these. I think i use these. Possibly with bladerunner i would say it's like one a great sci-fi right concert movie diehard is like one like just clear number one action movie so i've as much as i love both i gotta go die heart. Yeah you did use that reasoning without making sense. The concert movie thirty the best ever. So you voted for it and now here again. Voting against roy batty and decker d- in blade runner. And i'm with you. I'm voting diehard nice. Next match-up raiders of the lost ark versus purba kind and gentle. I'm assuming cinema paradiso. Eighty five percent to fifteen percent. Raiders takes it and then we had aliens vs full metal jacket aliens one that as well sixty four percent to thirty six percent again actual vietnam movie against james cameron's vietnam movie mitchell. Beaupre says one. These movies effectively captures the terror of going into an unknown territory. With the biggest bats. Weaponry possible all of the hubris of americans thinking they can storm in anywhere and takeover only to be met with a force. They couldn't possibly prepared for the manages to portray not only the horrors of vietnam but also the folly of an invading force underestimating their opponent a historical event that we've seen countless times in the real world and in cinema. Wait for it. The other is full metal jacket so this joke construction. We might have to throw it out. Maybe in the incinerator. That means josh. That raiders of a lost ark is going up against aliens. Probably pretty easy for both of us raiders. Yeah i mean. I'm no michael phillips exactly. You've got the double though reminds me of michael sometimes not the full beard josh. Then back to the future of against kershaw was ron seventy two percent for robert zemeckis and mardi mc fly isabel bishop says i will fling myself into the sun if the garbage fire. It is back to the future. Beats the masterpiece that is ron. I know where she's coming from. What you do. I mean at least in her praise for ron let. Yeah i've got to hear more about the garbage fire bit and i'm curious. Are the princess bride faced off against burton's beetlejuice. I kind of like this this matchup. Actually but there wasn't much of a competition. Princess bride takes it with seventy two percent of the vote to twenty eight percent. Okay now i can't say this to lovely because my wife will get very angry with me. If she hears that it was actually a tough choice. But the sweet sixteen matchup then is back to the future. I is the princess bride the princess bride the first movie i ever watched with my eventual bride. Oh wow the a movie. I adore as everyone should. Don't don't vote. I wanna be mardi mc fly at one point who who cares who cares indeed. The princess bride is mitek. Thank you good move. I'm glad i just made things a lot of you. In the next leah's smart man all right next match-up was do the right thing versus the right stuff. Do the right thing took it with eighty. Four percent of the vote ghostbusters. That in this round was against dead poet's society and ghostbusters. One handley so that gives us a sweet sixteen matchup of ghostbusters versus do the right thing. I mean maybe the easiest one of the round. I love ghostbusters. We talked about it last year. But it's the right thing it is that brings us to our final set here. My neighbor totoro over the cohen brothers. Debut blood simple. The coen brothers are out completely of film spotting man his best to the eighties fifty five percent to forty five percent close though Pretty close yeah empire. Strikes back takes out. Martin scorsese's the king of comedy. Seventy eight percent twenty two percent. Here's jared young owes sweet lord. I can see an empire. Total matchup looming on the horizon. This is going to tear our household apart. Excuse me while. I go full michael shannon and build a take shelter style bunker to protect my family from this imminent disaster jared. I know exactly exactly what you mean. Now we alluded to this match up as well coming on the horizon when we began madness. I know that there is a lot of love out there and rightfully so for me. My neighbor totoro. Is there any world though josh where actually takes down the empire strikes back there is. There is in my world adam. I i like to joke. That i'm flipping about madness. Make most of my choices in three seconds and move on this. This is where. I'm regretting the entire enterprise For a number of years now that we ever engaged in this that i'm forced to choose between these two movies you've got your best star wars versus maybe your best miyazaki i don't know if i have it ranked up there right now. I think i might That's my quick answer. It's the best music. Sentimentality doesn't help me here. The the family dynamic that jared is referencing. Because when when i think about it i mean i've got a couple of years ago probably it was. I could go into my daughter's bedroom and there would be my old tonton toy that i had as a kid on a shelf right next to a stuff totoro so these are like our whole family. Loves these movies can i just. Can i just let the cat bus and a fight did i. Is that a. Is that a way to resolve this shirt all right. So here's my here's my decision both are from the nineteen eighty s. I didn't see totoro though. Until i wasn't adult and i know there's what an eight year old an eight year gap between but still didn't he told her attaya was an adult. So okay that movie means the world to me now and it has. Since the first time. I saw it as an adult but but empire not only means the world to me now but it did when i was six okay. I can't turn your back on that sort of connection to a movie especially when that movie remove the nostalgia factor that movie holds up today and without empire it is empire. It is without being able to explain it to myself that way. I think that's precisely why it was a pretty easy choice for me as well josh to go with the empire strikes back at nostalgia if you want but just thinking about what that movie meant to me. Then now i still feel about it. Yes it is going to have the edge over my neighbor totoro. I can't wait to see how the results come out. So spielberg dropped to their. Et and the last crusade out. He still does have a shot and madness. Glory with raiders scorsese down one title raging bull kubrick down to one the shining cones as we said out entirely david. Lynch's out john hughes's out. Tim burton is out. Is it really an eighties bracket if those guys are out the only director with two films competing in the madness sweet sixteen rob reiner while princess bride and this is spinal tap. So crazy right. Answer that when harry met. Sally like made a chance. Yeah yeah it did so. Let's look at the bracket contests how it's shaping up so far over eight hundred predictions. Two of them had perfect first rounds. That's our producer. Sam and listener matthew emory after two rounds neither sam nor matthew are at the top of the leaderboard. We don't know the identity of our current leader but the tidal of their prediction bracket is the most difficult madness yet question mark. Apparently not for them. They were perfect in round two perfect except for that e t versus spinal tap matchup. I know you talk about bracket busters including hurting me. Et going down. Some people had it winning it all some added in championship. The two runners up the people tied for second place. So far both had perfect round. Two's they're well positioned then moving forward as far as our internal bracket contest. Sam as we said the lead last week but he had four incorrect takes in round. Two dead poet's over ghostbusters. Why i don't know and that means he's slipped a second in the contest. He's still twenty fifth overall. Out of over eight hundred. That's very good not bad. Okay now josh. How about this. You've moved into first place. Well i only had one incorrect pick in round two blue velvet said over the thing and you're tied for fourth overall. Oh wow this. Is this your year uncharted territory. For the up. I did have three wrong around to that. Means i've dropped to forty second in the bracket contests still feel pretty good about that. Third in our internal contest and mike merigan godfather film spotting madness like me had three wrong. And here's where mike is. In bad shape he lost his. Pick to win the whole shebang. Oh he thought raising arizona. Oh and the love of the coen brothers film spotting nation would just be tied that took him to victory. But it's not happening. Yeah i mean. I understand the logic. He's looking at past films body madness history and i get that but I did go that way myself. Sorry mike yeah so it does mean. Mike probably has an adam sandler movie in his future. Hey and you're. I'm not gonna get cocky. Add up ways to go. Yeah that's a good approach voting in the sweet sixteen round films spotting matt. His best of the eighties is live. You can vote. You can leave a comment at film. Spotting dot net slash madness that voting closes again on. Monday march fifteenth eleven. Am central time elite. Eight voting will start the afternoon of the fifteenth members of the film's fighting family on patriot. Gift for shot at the polls that are subscribers to the film spotting newsletter more info at patriot dot com slash film spotting and at film spotting dot net slash newsletter support for this. Podcast comes from beautiful home. Services for home. Improvement trust the award winning locally owned and operated provider who served the dmv area for over fifteen years. Beautiful home services offers interior and exterior painting bathroom and kitchen remodeling basement. Finishing carpentry drywall and other general remodeling services. We make home improvement dreams. Beautiful reality learn more at beautiful home. Services dot com. That's beautiful home services dot com prison. Dinner was always a big thing. We had a pasta course and then we had a meter fish. Police did the prep work. He was doing a year for contempt and he had this wonderful system for doing. The garlic was the razor needs to slice it so thin that it used to liquefy pan with just a little oil is very good systems. Vinnie was in charge of the tomato sauce. We get back into our countdown of top. Five movie meals with that scene. Dinner in prison from goodfellas. And that's because it's a to for me josh anytime. This topic comes up the topic of meals in movies. Maybe it's my love of italian food. I immediately go to goodfellas and the description of all the meal prep and actually go to another mobster movie. I go to the godfather and the scene where clemenza teaches a young al pacino. Michael how to make a sauce how to make his sauce in. Casey ever has to make a large meal for crew zone someday not eligible in this case because they are both in the film spotting pantheon also in the film. Spotting pantheon is raging bull. That means the stake. If you overcook josh. It's no good defeats its own purpose. That's i know i know. It also won't make our top five movie meals and in that case it's not just because it's in the pantheon but while the scene is very memorable i don't think either of us watch it and think i can't wait to buy into that stake that's overcooked. It is now on the floor and wanting to sample for ourselves. The delights were seeing. Onscreen was a huge driver for us in forming our list. Yes and i actually had that goodfellas prison dinner on my list until i did the for some reason. How many years have i been doing this now. Eight years. it's it's like. Oh this is what i wanna do. I should check the pantheon. Of course goodfellas as i should have. Known is on there Three scenes in goodfellas. You could go with right. Not only the prison one but making the sauce sauce at the end with the helicopter. Yeah and then dinner at his mom's right where she's bringing out the food so unfortunately goodfellas not eligible. No us your number two movie. Email all right. My favorite studio ghibli mail. You've said years adam is the pork rahman in poncho. You cited it. That's where i'm going. Yeah for those who poncho pioneers of magical sea creature she befriends. A young boy wills herself to become human against the wishes of her. See wizard father so this result in all sorts of tension that results in this soon nami and that threatens to batter the seaside home where the boy whose name sosuke lives with his mother. So as and suitca there in the house here. They're waiting out the storm and suitcase. Mom makes a bowl of ramen for them. A gag throughout the movie is how much panya loves. Food right adam especially ham and so obviously. She's excited when it turns out to be tongue cots who rahman which is pork rahman my favorite kind to actually. I love how much time and attention i o miyazaki gives to the preparation of the meal here and i think that's a common thing for a lot of the food scenes in his movies and even something like another jubilee. Buffet like from up on poppy hill. The they give attention to the preparation and the enjoyment of the food. I think that honestly had to be an influence on us. Anderson's team when they made i'll of sushi scene which is also all about the preparation so here sosuke even tells magno that she's going to have to wait a few minutes for the roth to saturate the noodles and then i just love how the movie makes us wait to it just sits there and it gives it brings us in not only to the taste of the meal but the experience of the meal so thematically this ties into the thread in the film about children's relationships with their mothers and their fathers ponchos mother comes into play to eventually and so. I really like this quiet moment of suitcase. Mother providing for them in the storm. It's sochi. yeah it really is. I love that once again. We have nice symmetry in our picks because my number two also employs waiting and pauses in a major way to make us appreciate the food before us though. There's also some other things going on including the director ramping up. The tension with those pauses. So i mentioned earlier that i'm breakfast all day every day guy but i'm also perfectly content to make dessert the whole meal and i could do that for all three meals of the day as well and this scene is so good and the desert looks so good. It doesn't even matter that. I would never order an apple anything. It's the not so terrible apple strudel from quentin tarantino's inglorious bastards. Iv continued to seize betsy. So we get the formality of it. The interruptions the drawing out of the tension mention where hans landa sits down. He's interrogating melanie. Laurent's character. She knows that they have a passed. A very tragic past. He does not know that though he says certain things that make it seem like maybe he does and you can see that fear in her eyes but he orders the strudel. Kief forgets the cream. He stirs the espresso. The cream arrives every time. He's about to pose a question to her or really get to the point. There's some little interruption the just along gates the scene and along gates the terror for her. I mentioned waiting for the cream. Christoph waltz in that moment where she takes her fork in starts to take a of the shooter before the cream has arrived. He says wait for the cream. It is perfection. And as if you weren't enough here's is the waiting. The fact that launda won't proceed without the cream and the way tarantino cuts to the closeups of it being developed on the petri. It just makes you think will. This must be amazing. This cream has to be worth waiting for and as the plate finally sits there with the cream on top the cream. he's been waiting for walton. Does something so wonderful. He takes a beat before plunging his fork into just to appreciate it as it sits there and then of course he goes on and punctuates the interrogation with his biding his chewing and this brings me back to my number three. Pick a little bit. The florida project. Right this sense of a deal kind of being made here over food. A tacit agreement in this case an explicit agreement to use her theater for her to handle the projection and not the black man who works for her no matter how skilled he might be and of course. It's more than that too. There is something sinister going on at the core of it. though that's only known to shoshana. She is truly making a deal with the devil. The man who slaughtered her family at the beginning of the movie and that deal when she accepts the invitation to talk over strudel. She doesn't really have much of a choice of course but she doesn't get up and leave. She waits for the cream before she eats. Just she's been instructed to. She even accepts the cigarette and smokes the cigarette that he offers her when he's done with the strudel. She does all of that note. The one thing. She doesn't do in the josh. She doesn't take a drink of the milk that he orders on her behalf. The same drink. He asks for another glass of of the movie just before he slaughters her family on the dairy farm. There's another great pause at the end of the scene to where he says. I had another question to ask you. And then he just looks at her stonefaced silent and then says oh. I can't think of it and defuses it for a second diffuses that terror and then his final act is to take the cigarette out of his mouth. Plunge it into the strudel. And i love touch because it's such kind of a vulgar act for a man who so sophisticated and so refine but it's that german cigarette defiling the french pastry and it just reflects his overall arrogance and sense of superiority. Like i can enjoy this but only to a point you know and laura is so good in the scene the way the very beginning of it when he asks her a question i think it's the first time she speaks. She says no no. And the i know she can't even get it out. She can't even fully say the word. No it's like a whisper and after the buildup of all that tension and her barely being able to sit there with this man when he finally leaves that expulsion of breath in the tears. Come is another great acting moment from melanie. Laura in it's another great tarantino acting scene one of my favorite parts of watching any tarantino movie both the performances of waltz and laura but also laura as emmanuel niue. This french on her and willing german collaborator. Which of course. She's really not so. This gets back to what i said earlier. Josh i definitely would want to be her in this scene overall. But i'd sure like to sample that strudel. Yea even if you're someone who has conflicted feelings about inglorious bastards which which i am. There are definite great scenes in it and that is one of them and related. If you're conflicted about desserts as i am apple strudel. It's what i like so good pickler okay. Number one number. One big announcement. Are you ready for this. Yeah phantom thread has moved ahead. There will be blood for the number. Two spot on my p. t. a. ranked less how. Yeah it was. It was revisiting scenes for this list. The top five. That were doing adam that had me make that move. I still punch drunk love. I'll give it another look. But i'm kind of holding off on giving it another look. I don't want to have to bump it down But phantom threat. Is there at number two right now. And so many great scenes in this movie involving food my pick from those head to be the climactic showdown slash power struggle slash four. Play that. The movie concludes with over this wild mushroom omelette. That alma played by vicki creeps. Makes for reynolds played by daniel day lewis. Yes all right full circle in my first comes. The omelets are also poisonous. I know adam. He selects josh but he takes the by anyway. Reynolds takes the bite anyway. He holds it in his mouth for a bit as they intensely stare into each other's is this is such a charge scene and i think it's you know it's just emblematic of the movies. Themes of power control vulnerability and the film making the film making here. I mean just. Let's go back to this idea. We've talked about the time. The scene gives to the preparation of a meal to watching alma. Make this meal it almost unfolds. In real time it's close now writing for the new yorker in two thousand eighteen. Helen rosner called phantom thread the best food movie in ages and so i'm going to let her described the film making here. The scene is shot with an almost animalistic intimacy a play of close up textures. The contrast between the slick medal of the knife and the dry fiber of mushrooms the glossy blanketing tumble of finely chopped chives and butter. Not once but twice. One dense yellow knob for browning the mushrooms and then another to grease the pan kurds billowing up as the beaten eggs come into contact with the heat. That's helen rosner in the new york. And of course we've learned from earlier in the film. Reynolds doesn't like a lot of butter in his dishes. So right away. We're seeing another power play on almost part now atomised slack. We were kind of talking about how we're going to do. Our lists use scoffed at this pick because of the poisoning factor. But just because of the poison that little ingredient. Josh i dunno i guess. Give me the poison. What give me everything in this movie. I want reynolds suits. I want his house. I want his car. I want his t. I want is on we. I what his misery and yes. I want his poisoned mushroom. Hamlet give it all to me adam. There's there's some reynolds in josh larsen. I see it from time to time. I do okay. Great pick a little bit of an off the beaten path. Pick considering the poison part. I'm gonna go with a very conventional choice. But it has to be your josh. And i'll say to know is pasta with a special crust And it's shaped like drum like tiffany drum and inside other than most important things in the liver only the most important things in the world. Yes we started this segment talking about the italian movies. We couldn't include in the food. They were making goodfellas and the godfather. Well i'm going to end it with italian and the artist who's going to cook. This dish for me is longtime listener. David l williams hyphen spotting. It's david williams in pennsylvania the best movie meal. There's no question in my mind. Is the giant dinner in stanley. Tucci and campbell scott big night after the soup the soup that looks simple but makes every diner swoon. There's the three color risotto. Pesto white regular and pink seafood. That looks like the flag of italy. And how do you follow that with the campano this drum of pasta and meat and eggs and saas. That looks more like sculpture than food in homes. Pascal says it tastes so good. He should kill chef in good. I should kill you. after that. it's all a blur. Their chickens fish probably brands zino. Asparagus beats artichokes grapes. Tomatoes are roast suckling pig and wine. That never stops flowing. Tony shalhoub supremo says to eat. Good food is to be close to god. And it's hard to find more rapturous cinematic meal than the one in big night. David has a decent way with words. Almost like he's a playwright or something and he's right about tim josh who needs bread with pasta when i can have my pasta in my bread crust that incredible crust that is made by tony shalhoub. Of course his brother flayed by stanley tucci in this great film directed by campbell. Scott google tim and you'll find youtube clips that show you how to make or at least attempt to make tim pano. Six point six million hits. So i think at least a few people have seen big night and been inspired enough by the preparation by the artistry of it by the reactions to the food the rapturous reactions to tasting it. You see in the movie and decided they had to give it a shot themselves so the panel in big night something. I've never seen on a menu. Something that i would obviously love detri- it'll probably have to remain a fantasy for me. And yet i will acknowledge that. There's at least one other really nice meal moment in big night right after this at the end of the film tim in denver do the honors. He sent in his favorite movie meals then. He mentioned the family meal at the beginning of tortilla soup based on eat drink man woman any seen. Jiro dreams of sushi. Tim says here's the thing. I don't like sushi. And yet the film made me want to devour some straight away. And then he says from big night. No not that meal with donna. And all it's the simple omelette. The stanley tucci character makes the next morning in the wake of the disastrous night. That most pulls on my heartstrings. Along with my taste buds. So an omelette there. I'm guessing stanley tucci. Didn't use any poison maybe mush. I don't know there is a ton of stuff in topology. I mean. I've never had either and you watch this scene. There's like there are hard boiled eggs in their sausage. I would love to try it. See it seems like a lot to me but it would probably win me over but that note about the omelette is. It's so true. I mean what is it about. I obviously had one in my pick. But i i like that. It's popped up as this dish. That is so simple But it's more like the meaning in the effort. That's that can be put into it even though anyone can make it. Maybe that's what it is it just about anyone can make it but so personal and yeah yeah eisele. Those are our top five movie meals. We hope we made you hungry. That's really the only way to test whether or not we were successful. Josh like watching these movies in these scenes ourselves did people listen to us and then want to go out and sample any of these dishes. You can hold the poison. Did you have any honorable mentions josh. Yeah as as i said. We got a lot of great responses which made up some of my honorable mention So i want to go to some of those first of all a blinds by confession for me. Tempo came up a lot. Still not one that i've seen i know i should. I know it's one of those great food. Movies just wasn't able to get to it. Some people might be wondering why ratatouille the pixar film is not on my list. Here's a case. Where i i had read a to e i don't really love it i mean it's it's just not a fan dish for me i did. We're back to omelettes here. I did consider the omelet. That remmy makes for linguini. That's probably my number six. I didn't wanna have to omelettes. Though on my list. A lot of people mentioned the egg. Sandwich that adam sandler makes sense spangler and yes i fondly remember that one And i do love my egg sandwiches. I know you do as well adam. The one in birds of prey we we highlighted from last year. Bacon american cheese saw host role. Just not too much south. How about this. Did you get all about the daisies. Dinner so are overlooked tours marathon. We saw the film from. Yeah chuck filmmaker vera. Chit lova again thinking about it of marie one and two on that hilarious dinner date with the older man but honestly the food did not look great. I mean that's no. This is the scene where chip lova starts changing the color so the frame goes from pink to blue and green and yeah. Yeah wasn't really appetizing. Do we want to anger the nineties kids. Of course we do. A lot of people mentioned the make believe meal and hook. I'm gonna. I'm gonna stay on brand adam and say it looks terrible still stale plato. Josh you know what. I actually have it as an honorable mention. I was going to make nice with the nineties. I was going to say it because it doesn't work. That's why couldn't get anywhere near my list really because no. I'm not interested in any of the food we actually do see. But that's still the best seen in hook. You have to give it that out. Stay on my side atom. Come on we have to stay united on this. Okay all right one. More one more harold and kumar to white castle. I mean i having an issue adam because there's a white castle way too close to our new place where we moved. It's kinda problem okay. So confession time. I have never seen harold and kumar. Go to white castle and also even though i have now lived in illinois for oh no coming up on twenty years and in fact on say i nominated for the first sixteen of those years i more or less drove by a white castle every day. I have never had it adam. I think you'll like it. Because the the meat product that they provide. I believe it's i believe it's medium. Okay you you got me josh. As long as it's not well done or you know. Medium rare okay. I mentioned desserts so honorable mention how. 'bout i want. Candy that sequence from sofia coppola was marie. Portrayers miller fuse canal. I probably love it all of those. I just know they look really tasty those lottery desserts. We talked about it during our eight for eighty four series. Maybe the only scene in the movie. I truly loved the charlotte russe from once upon a time in america. The film crew. Feast the penelope cruz. Prepares in the almodovar film lavar. Oh great pick one. I thought about and way too many to name from the trip series of course dillingham in blair nebraska to close with this. Even though you never actually see the food that i can recall. But i had completely forgotten about this scene and will link to it in our show notes and on our top five page. If you wanna see it or you can just google dylan don blair. Nebraska says the first one that i thought of probably doesn't qualify because we don't see the food but it has to be the greatest meal order in movie. History it's margaret brown. The late margaret brown in hell or high water taking the order and saying what. Don't you want her explanation of the only thing they really have on the menu t-bone steaks. I don't know if they talk about the temperature josh. Let's go let's just end that. Okay end that debate here for now anyway. But it's a great scene again a link to it in our show notes over film spotting dot net and on our top five page. You can get there by going to film spotting dot net slash lists josh. I'm hungry that's our show. I'm so glad we recorded this one a little later after dinner. Otherwise i would have been really suffered if you want. Connect with us on facebook and twitter. Adam is at film spotting. I'm at larson on film. In the show archives over at film spotting dot net. you can find reviews interviews and top-five going back to two thousand five and you can vote in the sweet sixteen round of film spotting madness best of the eighties toward her show t shirts or other merch visit films. Spotting dot net slash shop and you can subscribe to our weekly newsletter at film spotting dot net slash new letter out in limited. Release this weekend. The human voice will mention pedro almodovar. Again it's his short film adaptation of a one act play by jean cocteau stars till the swinton also coming up on our top five. That's at the music box next week here on the show we will have the oscar. Nominations to talk about. Those will be announced on monday. The fifteenth will return to our seven from seventy six best year ever series. We're gonna talk about ten time. Oscar nominee network written by patti eski directed by sidney lumet. And we'll talk about laura directed by otto premature. The second movie in our forties noir marathon film spotting is produced by golden joe. So sam van haugen without salmon golden. Joe this show wouldn't go. Our production assistant is cat sullivan. Thanks also to candidates griffith saying the listeners of the film spotting advisory board and special thanks to everyone at wbz chicago more information is available at wbz dot org. Four films spotting. I'm josh larsen. And i'm adam kanner. Thanks for listening. This conversation. conserve no purpose anymore by.

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