15 Episode results for "Suwalki"

Top ten songs about the devil

The Loudini Rock and Roll Circus

1:10:04 hr | 9 months ago

Top ten songs about the devil

"On this Devil's night twenty. Nineteen we bring you that top ten songs of all time about the prince of Darkness Himself Lucifer Lucifer Satan Aka the devil. You're listening to the Lou. Dini rock and roll circus changing rack. History One podcast cast at a time. All right everybody welcome back. It is the Lou. Dini rock and Roll Circus Devil's night twenty. Nineteen addition addition. Welcome everybody we've got little V.. Six with US tonight looking her most deadly Hamas devilish isn't the worst. I've got a gun so it's going to be good show. We're going to be counting down the top ten songs we do. We're probably going to go over. Whatever about the devil? The Prince of darkness bells above Satan. Whatever to call name is for your your Lord and Savior Gatty Tatty Loudini rock and roll circus? Dot Com is the website. Lots of cool stuff happening there. Check back off in for that. The other thing I want to tell you about is is our private area. If you want to dig a little deeper doesn't cost anything just gotTA LOMBARDI ROCKS DOT COM. Click the little. You'll see. It's it's all very self explanatory and you get right into our private group great community of people who are just like you really excited about Great Guitar driven rock of really kind of all types hard rock rock and roll punk alternative of course metal. I'm wearing my burger. Kills Shirt shirt. Sauber killed this weekend. Great show along with sue WOCKA. And we're going to be playing a little burger kill and sue walk a little bit later on in the show Guys Welcome. That's all the stuff and I want to give a shoutout to Wolf's customs customs. There's no reason for you to be playing the same boring in guitar as everybody else. Go Take Your Strat your telecaster whatever you got your as your Jackson. Whatever you're working on there air and send it out here and get a hold of of Chris under Wolf Dotson Wolf's customs dot online and they do amazing custom painting on Guitars ars so you definitely want to check them out as wolves customs dot online? So we've got literally be sixty six on what you well I went to. Two shows is one on Sunday where this guy opened for Burger Kilns Waka and one yesterday. Which was the fiftieth anniversary? UFO Tour Slash Ashley last in line opened and it was amazing and it was late so last in line is is that the family band. Now know that bandwidth at the end Campbell. Okay and the Guy Andrew Freeman. Who sings just like? Do by the way but they were awesome totally metal they didn't do a Deal Hologram or anything. No added into that. Because I didn't need one. I've heard I've heard that you know there's this thing this possibility of a tour with deal holly. I think it's out. I think it's out on tour right now and I'm curious I'd like to see here I think but it's not going anywhere around here pizzas. Just watch youtube video of it. I don't I just think I'll just seems cheesy as all get out I did not lysine. I'm I'm curious as to what I can see that and then Saturday are you. Are you by curious now. I told you can't do that stuff not into it however I'm try- curious of course. The Yard Saturday I'm going to go see vixen and winger together so exciting exciting stuff and that's going to be in eh just broke in on in buffalo to fall. I was going to go with you but I guess I can't now okay all right guys. We're going to get into to here. We are going to open the show up with a band which band we're GonNa Start with the let's start with so walk. This is a track called destroyer. They played this at the show. Oh on Sunday night. Great Show you guys missed it. which is when these guys? Berger kills walk are huge. I'm going to be able to say I saw Them like with like in front of ten people and I opened his guys. Hear it as a destroyer sue on the Dini rock and roll circus. take off the Lake L.. And uh-huh yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah. New York City originally not from Indonesia. And we'RE GONNA play Burger kill in a little bit and they are Indonesia's well so we were. Indonesia was representing in Pittsburgh on Sunday night and my band. Twenty temporarily called twenty thousand metal. Dick's temporarily temporary. I I do all we can think of is like pervy like that's guys. It's like jared got a bad name. He texts me. It's like it's Dick Splitter. I liked fist full of assholes. That's the one I always pick fit heads or some I don't know but we got wasn't Madinat. Maybe fistful of assholes. Maybe I'll exit to the guys life. They'll be like what we're looking for like a good name. We need like a really killer name because if you have a killer name then that fills in all the marketing and then then like figuring out. What the logo and all that is become super easy so help us out? You've got some good band names strokes. We aren't metal okay. We are more like an alternative hard rock kind of sound. They sound awesome. We do so we'd see sound good. We are good band and thank you very much. THAT LILLY SUE walk walkout. Let me give you guys the the down low on Sue Waka here. You may find Suwalki at Sioux tribe dot com. Tom Easy enough tribe. They have their own tribe. I love it great band. Super Friendly Dude. Just awesome really had a good time. So SUWALKI TRIBE DOT COM. Check them out. Okay we are talking. We'll get into the Yes Do you want to know a little bit about before you get into our accounting and you're a little bit about the origins of the devil in rock music. Go forward I mean. Do you guys want to know a little bit about this. I I really for some reason. I don't know why but this topic just really kind of rang my bell. I grew up in a an evangelical Christian upbringing and rock. Music was forbidden. It was The Devil's music but it this idea that music certain music could be evil or the devil's music is not a new thing. There was there was classical music that you know people. The the church had condemned this big band music. A let's see here Saxophone when they were when they first come more. Viewed as with suspicion. Suspicion was a scandalous instrument who was banned by Pope Pious. The tenth in one thousand nine hundred three I did not. That's pretty cool. Yeah because Ah we're used a belt out. Jazz that aroused Lou. Dancing makes me WANNA listen on eighty s music with saxophone provoked alarm and outrage the devil knew a Lotta tempt after all With an apple or sexy rhythm and four-time in the twenties jazz band in hundreds of public dance halls. Interesting interesting. There was any time anything happen. You Know Oh. The experts are blaming the new jazz syncopated rhythms trouble. No one knows. That's for sure. Eighteenth Century Cleric said that the devil has the best tunes some which you will find in our playlist tonight as we talk about headed by Jelly Roll. Morton recorded a devil related song called BOOGER BOO classical music. Had aroused consternation over Don Smith cobs and immoral symphonies. Now I want you guys listen. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA turn off the background music from what you guys. Listen to this. This is a piece called Sonata engy minor but It's called the devil's trill. I know the Kartini. Now what you guys to give this this one a little bit of a listen I got. I got to turn off the of the background music as you hear. Classical music is unlike pop. Music has dynamics and if you Cloud requires requires very close listening. So let's go ahead and check this out TORTILLA KNEES VIOLENT SONATA NUMBER ONE IN G minor. I don't know if this sound evil any of you guys out there. I can see why it's so it's it's in a minor key doesn't necessarily make it evil Venetian Russian composer Giuseppe Kartini. Never who was one of a number of composers who used this musical interval called a triton which musical interval it goes across three entire whole notes was branded a diabe us in Musica or the Devil's interoil these dissonant chords reappear in heavy metal music by bands like slayer black Sabbath and even the edgy theme to the simpsons uses this musical interval interval in music is just means the space between the notes most when you say interval. They're thinking interval of time. This is the space space between the notes in the documentary film heavy metal a head. bangers journey producer Bob as Orrin. Who's worked with Alice? Cooper depot said. There is something very sexual about the Tri town. It apparently was the sound used to call up the east. A you were going to do that. the legend of how the King of the Delta Blues Robert Johnson earned his retain. His potent Inspiration or or power as a blues artists. This was a kind of accentuated and exaggerated in the one thousand nine hundred six film by Walter Hill called crossroads movie original score by right cooed also features legendary blues man. Sonny Terry on harmonica the plotline of a Blues Guitar Selling his soul. It was also part of the COEN brothers. Movie Rather Art Thou and provide the inspiration for the nineteen seventy-nine hit song. The Devil went down to Georgia by the Charlie Daniels band. This this is when people don't on. This goes back to our origins as a species on the planet while we don't understand something or something is new or different. We blame week. We blame the gods poor devil ever or whatever ever so. We're so this is not anything new that we've been doing It has proved attractive for musicians to claim varying varying degrees of seriousness seriousness. that the also made their own deal with the devil. John Lennon told told a press conference that the reason the Beatles were success successful awful was that he had sold his soul and Katy Perry eazy e are among those who made the same claim. Bon Jovi even told a teen pop magazine Smash Hits that that I'd kill my mother for rock and roll and I would sell my soul and the devil said No. So that's why you're Bon Jovi. However not all rockstars? Ours are alarming. You know would have been hard to see bill. Haley and his middle aged band is part of a devil's covert army but as music change engine darkened in the sixties. The band's became more on edgy link between music and satanism reached a new height. Gone were the days of West side story. Sing alongs Maria. Oh you know I met a you know. Whatever the world was entering the volatile area era of Charles Manson and the communist and things like that Manson incidentally he released his own bizarre records by the way some guys know that John Lennon is fell obidos? We're still at a primary school win. Notorious caught figure alister Crowley died in hastings in forty-seven but so-called wicked US man on the planet cast a long shadow after his death. Crawley peered is one of the faces on Peter Blake's iconic cover for the nine hundred sixty seven album sergeant pepper's lonely hearts club band. It was in that same year that the rolling stones released the album called hold their satanic Majesties request the first time the prince of darkness had been summoned in the title of a major rock release sneeze. It was predominantly Jagger. Who Dabbled in reading about the occult? He read things like the Taoist secret of the golden flower. He's richards who created a defining moment in music relationship with the devil and sixty nine when they cut sympathy for the devil and the song which originally had the less memorable working title of the devil is my name. The the Stones Imagine Satan's appearance in crucial moments in history. This was shocking for the Times. Guys we've all grown up this we've had forty years of rock and roll since then with all kinds of things that have happened in bands that have come out and Knights in Satan's service and all this insanity so but at the time something like that coming out of that era really freaked people out and freaked parents out and I think that it was one of the reasons why the stones did but that was like how bad could we be. Oh will play with the devil leaving really people's because they were the bad boys of rock and roll playing up the Satanic Image Jagger performed the song on the concert film the Rolling Stones Rock and roll circus whilst shirtless and covered in fake devil. Tattoos there we're also claims that the Church of Satan used the song which has been covered by artists as diverse as Sandie Shaw Bryan ferry motorhead and guns and roses as an anthem. But Jagger's girlfriend at the time. The singer Marianne Faithfull said that many people missed the complexity and irony of lyrics which I totally agree with year. Mick never for one moment believed that he was Lucifer Right. And if you listen to the song. The song is kind of like finger-pointing song about all the sort of atrocities is. That happened in history with the sort of like devil. Looking on Crawley was a major influence on David. Bowie Tom ever. Since David Bowie was young he liked the mess from a Tarot Cards He performed exorcism rituals a paid tribute to crawl into seventy one song in quicksand while while seventy six he admitted to rolling stone. Rock has always been the devil's music. I believe rock and roll is dangerous. I feel we're only heralding something even darker than ourselves Bowie's ziggy stardust. Character is perhaps popular music most potent embodiment vitamin of the archetype of the dying. God and the musician continued his interest in mysticism right up to his death in nineteen. Excuse me in twenty sixteen team but Bowie's fascination with what he called the Dark Netherworld almost pails and this is what we're going to stop and get into the countdown here with Jimmy Page says one to get into right right here. Jimmy Page reportedly attended seances collected artifacts and even in the year the Bowie released. Quicksand purchased Bolt Bolt Bolt Skyline House. which is Crowley's former home on the shores of Lake? Likasi that Alister Crowley on the shores of Loch Ness. So like you go ahead you go ahead and put that together yourself. In Scotland page interests pages interest. In the occult led to accusations led Zeppelin weren't a satanic man. While songs such as houses of the holy addressed the subject of the devil directly page once said that mixing in Satanic influences was like an AL chemical process but in two thousand seven songwriter guitarist then at the age of sixty three told guitar world that he didn't like to speak about your calls anymore. Because the more you discuss it the more eccentric centric you appear. So we'll just gonNA leave that discussion right there for now. I just wanted to give a little preamble and a little background that there is a history and some of the younger folks watching may not realize that this idea of the devil being in music is just it's colored music throughout the centuries and since we've had modern media TV magazines records things like that. It has like really explored. We have documented. Now you can go back and listen to these things so I just wanted to share a little bit about that. We'll talk about ozzy and things like that a little bit later on so we do have a countdown tonight of songs without the Devil Lily. What lillies are countdown? queen so Lilly. Who'd he got here? What's what's on your list? We did our these any kind of order. They read America So we already talked about their yard and talked about this a little bit but sympathy for the Devil by the rolling stones on the nine hundred eight album beggars banquet mixing this and the first person narrative as the devil and he say he said the influence came came from bald bald. Dare a French poet and from the Russian author Mikhail Bulgakov novel. The master in the Margarita was covered by guns and roses. As for the interview with the vampire soundtrack and motor had covered it on the twenty fifteen album. Bad Magic and Ozzy covered it on the two thousand five album undercover so it was a pretty Popular Song to be covered by it is a rock classic rock classic for reason. First of all it's a killer song. Second of all the lyrics Are Very intriguing and I pondered those lyrics for many many years myself. Find them absolutely fascinating. I think it's one of the best compositions it's ever and I would argue that. It is one of the Best Guitar Solos on a Rolling Stones Song ever that Guitar Solo and his tone on that what are just dynamite knocks me out forty years later so blows my mind sympathy for the devil. Please allow me to introduce reduce myself. Wealth taste couldn't have said it any better myself making KIEF. So what's what's what's next next. We have to have this on the list. The Devil went down to Georgia by the Charlie Daniels Band released on the nineteen seventy nine album million mile reflections. It's about the devils failed attempt to steal young man and soul through a fiddle playing contest that involved enticing the young man's participation using a worldly prize which is the Golden Fiddle of course. The muppets covered the song on the show with guest star Alan Arkin in Nineteen Eighty Alvin and the chipmunks covered it on the nineteen eighty-one album urban chipmunk and premise covered on the nineteen ninety eight Rhino Plastic. EP Yeah I I want to mention that. The primaries version has an amazing video video with done with stop motion animation. Yes that is just killing eyler. And if you're looking for something to put on at Halloween for your part you're having barty whatever. Maybe you haven't Halloween party tonight and pull this up. Put this up on up on your Fire stick or your Roku or whatever and played for your friends everybody will freaking love it. We're very very well done. Sounds awesome rocks heart. Is You know what what and just just just really great track But I remember that song when it came when it was brand new. That's how old I am and I was completely fascinated by. I have always been a big fan of rock lyrics and one of the one is one of the reasons I do a weekly show called Eric Talk. Maybe I'll do a a show on sympathy for the devil. Excuse me excuse me. Devil went down to Georgia. I do WANNA sympathy the devil too but the Song Devil went down to Georgia is a story. It's a it's a narrative it has a beginning a middle and then and the music plays in with that absolutely perfect the devils jam. There's Janis Janis. He's jam and I. I always have personally have San. I think most people agree that the devils I always thought like. Here's my first reaction when I heard the song and I heard devil and then I heard Johnny. My reaction was Oh. Wow while Johnny. It looks like you're screwed because the devils jam was less kicked ass like you didn't you know and then when it came back that the devil bowed his head because he knew that even beat I was like what devils week the hell out of here. The Devil Kick Janis as I called Shenanigans and I still call Shenanigans. Go back and listen to that that gets our during that thing that chicken chicken thing and that and that base I Buddha. That's amazing sorry. Johnny sorry sorry you given your soul to the devil just saying so he got next. The next one on my list is running with the devil by Van Halen. It's the second single from van. halen's nineteen seventy eight. Debut album. Van Halen was the first single shit. Why do you ask me questions like that? The song was inspired by the Ohio players. Song run in from the devil named the Ninth Greatest Hard Rock Song of all time by each one and it's usually interpreted as being about the life of a touring band not really the devil not really not technically about the devil so this should be like an honorable mention and not like really Asanga. Whatever shouldn't be on the list but it also right song long? The riff is. I did a What makes his rift grade or something like I did? I did a podcast on his roof. That you guys can go out there and find Just just absolutely amazing. That's the first thing I ever heard by. Van Halen was a song and hooked instantly like like. This is the greatest thing I have ever heard. I was like Oh my God. Like what is this amazing vocals lyrics. It is about life on the road in rock and roll. And how you know you just you sort of feel like you're kind of being chased by this thing so when he got next action the next one on my list is devil inside by excess water some releases a single in one thousand nine hundred eight. This song was most successful in the. US turning number two for two weeks Kirk Pendulum Guitarist in the saxophonist stated that he did not like the music video because it was too American. Therefore my show you if you didn't know that the song was featured in the movie Rockstar and the TV show hindsight's but I do love me some Michael Hutchence. I have told my inaccessibility many times times as I won't tell it again. It's a very cool song. Great Band Sad story. Mike watching killer ban poor guy a speaking of great bands. This is Burger. Kill when it come back after a little burger kill and talk a little bit more about the top ten songs about the data Dalla. Happy Devil's night. Everybody what are you doing for devils nine hour. You celebrating devils. Let us know in the comments. We'll talk to year after some Burger. Kill It took hello Yeah it will uh and Yeah aw uh-huh aw yeah yeah in this hello Ah Uh it took Eh. That's Burger kill everybody and let me give you a little. How you Lou Lombardi he? He always insists on trying to play his Geigo Burger guilty. Give you the Aware here okay. You can in go to burger killed dot band camp dot com there on the bank. They do have a burger official but it is not. What's it's like in progress? It's not together so just go to Burger King Dot Band Camp Dot com find them. We opened show a swastika. SUWALKI TRIBE DOT COM We're GONNA be playing some silk nine here in a few minutes. Soak nine great band. They're a good band great band so we can talk with his guys to so we are talking came out songs of the data. We did a facebook post. Let's see that at the end so because I don't want to overlap in your list. Wanted still at least under and it's like that has only gets mad. Well it's just not that it's just kind of takes away from what we're doing blah blah. What do you got well? I'm Gonna I read some comments so build on Miano's watching Raven datsuns watching. She did a little skeleton. PUMPKIN EMOJI thing Allen Spangler said Grendel butter for your band name and Chris. Thunder will said Super Band waistband. Let's just call ourselves the under reuss. Sir Ron Paul's watching John Rastas watching Shaun King and I said all the other people and I lost some comments because I did move away from facebook real quick check something so I'm sorry if I missed your comment comment again and share because when you share what you do is you. You do have to lose any rock and roll circus arcus but you get the word out about the band's we place it and these vans aren't like you know they're not on the radio and stuff like that so this is where they get an outlet if you're digging what we're doing show share share the podcast and your friends will know how you're up on the absolute coolest new music out there. I'm just saying Shout out to Chris Thunder. We'll uh Wolf's customs wolves customs dot online and yourself a custom job on. You're not accustomed blowjob. You wouldn't that be something. We custom blowjob some custom paint job. So what do you got next bill. Of course yes. I have to mention this band every single time. The podcast happens but the next song is the number of the beast by iron maiden seven single release on the second sweet seven single release total and the second single from the nineteen eighty two album of the same name. It was inspired by nightmare. That Steve Harris had after watching the movie Damian Omen to of course the song caused is controversy in the United States amongst religious groups because of the name of it clearly However it does it does remain one of the most popular songs it has been performed at almost every iron maiden show live and it has also been covered several times couple? Examples are iced earth. Powder finger the iron maidens among others and I love iron maiden it because they are God and apparently the devil the first song by iron maiden I believe I ever heard was flight the vigorous the second song was number of the beast. And oh I loved it. It is such a great song and what they do melodic. What's interesting is? It's a lot. The the beginning verses verses are are key was alone you know the whole thing is it's not kind of what you expect but it still sounds very very like kind of majestic and scary at of course there's the beginning of the the thing at the beginning where they read. I believe that's the passage from revelation now and for for when I was young. I imagined vincent price or any. It's not very cool. It would be very vincent price. It'd be very surprised that they didn't and then you young whippersnappers. You don't know who Vincent Price's shave on you so looking at Google it. Yeah you have the Google machines. Now LEUCOPENIA I. I don't really know what else to say. Except the song blew my mind. I loved it. I couldn't get enough of it. Pittsburgh radio played it like we had to play like after midnight like V very. I almost never heard it. On the metal shop there was a show on. TV came on It after midnight on Sundays called the metal shop and you would hear bands like steeler iron maiden bands like that except it was the first time I heard balls to. The Wall was on that show but that was it. I mean I couldn't hear them enough so I loved them but I just couldn't hit. Nobody would play them. And we didn't have I lived out in the sticks. We didn't have cable so I didn't get MTV or anything for a long long long them later but just just a dynamite piece of music and that intro. There's a great documentary about about them. It's actually the behind the music. Yeah humanity about them that that was very very difficult to get that that rhythm with guitar and then the bring the vocals in they did it over and I can't remember. They did it many many many like an exhausting number of times before they were actually able to nail that. It's a long time for them to get it together. It's an amazing piece of music. So what do you got next next on my list. which is a band? I don't really. It's one of my favorite ever bans. But I don't mention them a whole lot on the show. It's shout at the Devil by Motley crue written by basis Nikki six. It's the title track off the album of the same name from Nineteen eighty-three it. He was also on the list of controversial songs. Among religious groups it was re recorded in for the nineteen ninety seven album generation swine titled Shout at the Devil Ninety seven seven. It was the music brock listener while in the UFC according to the book the dirt. If anybody's read that not the movie because it's not in the movie the book it was originally called shout with the devil but Nikki was experiencing some paranormal occurrences at his home and decided to change the title. Shout out I have a paranormal experience that I will relate to guys after the show so if you guys go to Lombardy rocks dot dot com get into the inner circle. We're going to do our after show and I will tell my paranormal experience there. It was one of these shout at the devils one of the songs they absolutely zoe loved but just was terrified parents. We're going to hear me listening to but I loved. It says that that beaten you know those those lyrics you know. Ah It's actually one of my least favorite motley absolute favorite model. I know I mean I like them all but this is not on my top. Take Time Motley crue Song List. It's still good just not up there yet. Great great track. What does that break three eighty three? Yeah yes eighty-three three. They had that album with Pentagram to change it religion. They make you do things. Yeah Yeah Okay. So what. What's next next is crossroad? Blues by Robert Johnson sort of has to be on the list was written in nineteen. Thirty six has become part of the Robert Johnson mythology as referring to the place where he supposedly sold his soul to the devil in exchange for his musical talents Leader Eric Clapton. With cream popular popularized the song as crossroads in the late sixties The Rock and Roll Hall of fame included as one of the five hundred songs that shaped rock and roll. And I think it's fascinating because of the story it's it's It's got a story to it. The lyrics are slightly different. If you listen to Robert Johnson's version. It's got a different if if you if you want to listen to a very haunted record. Get Robert Johnson's King of the Delta Blues. It's a collection Shen of all of his songs. And I mean I think our song I think another sign the we could put on this list. That's definitely a song about the dark. Lord is Hell Hound on. My trail is a song about somebody feeling feeling like the devil is coming for them like they are done and they're just all they can do to hang on Crossroads boot just just get it is yes. Rock people have redone sweet home. Chicago is a Asong that a lot. The that has been redone. But we hear these songs done by Robert Johnson. They all have this very haunting and haunted vibe to them even even something like sweet home Chicago when you listen to your like. Wow this guy was he was dealing with some stuff he was like he probably he has him stuff that was on his mind. And and so the idea that extrapolating this idea that he had sold his soul to the devil and the story goes that he was trying to be guitar player and he kept showing up places and everybody's like he sucked and then he disappeared for. And if you think about it he didn't need to sell her soul to devil. He disappeared for about a year and a half well a year. And a half. You really work on it. You can become a pretty you can. You can figure out the guitar especially and I'm sure I mean obviously natural ability. He had a passion for it. He wanted wanted everybody to show any time he would jam the musicians. He was trying to pick up on what they were doing. So it isn't the the I sold my. I saw the devil. That's a kind of a cool thing. That is actually more popularized by the movie by Walter Hill with Ralph Macho than was crossroads in it really that really brought that out and became a more of a thing because of that movie I will just I said this is some of the other day and I'm not ashamed to say this. I think that the Astros by cream I understand why people loved it when it came out. It's three of probably the most virtuoso musicians at the time reinterpreting in a great song. But I think it's terrible I just I just think I it's. It's everybody soloing simultaneously. It's just it's I learned this for a band a few months ago. And so I got I revisited. It and listen to it and Clapton's tone is amazing and I and it's very impassioned and power to get all that but just I mean every Jim and Jack Bruce to sound like they're competing with each other all song Of course they and I just feel like I get why people dug it there. Were you know jamming at the time. And everybody was hopped up on something but he we know they couldn't like dial all that way back and made a much more grooving track in my opinion. What's next next on? My List is deal with the Devil by pop evil. It's the second single from their twenty thirteen album and the eleven overall from the band. It's their second number. One single single following trenches They are the This is the second part of a trilogy that deals with Substance Abuse and dependency so in this case. The devil is the substance abuse and dependency. But I think it counts because I can understand I can relate to that so I do not know this band pop evil. They're relatively new their rock band though I forget where they're from I've only seen them once but they are pretty amazing. Okay I've got. You're the devil in disguise by by Elvis Presley. Nine hundred sixty three single written by bill giant Bernie bomb and Florence K. The song peaked to number three in the US charts. The song is of course about Out a woman because men think women are the devil it was covered by Tricia Earwood in the movie honeymoon in Vegas and the misfits covered the song on the extended edition of Project. Nineteen fifty could also be song about Elvis himself. Yeah well he usually sang to a woman because right but it people were freaked out and wh as I was bringing up earlier in the in the pike as introducing this idea. One of the things that freaked freaked people out was they. Were afraid that the first of all it was what was this was it was looked at as white. Kids are white guys are are white musicians playing black people's music and in the fifties in America. I never wants to make America Erica. Great again but the listen pay attention. Comedy people were so people were terrified of like the race's mixing it was like you know I knew somebody I and this was in my era even and I was completely over this. Our parents weren't like because even though they were very Conservative girl told me like you know you know her. Dad told her like the worst thing she could ever do is get with a black guy. So that's the mentality mentality. That people had people were freaked out. Oh my God you know. White Kids are listening to black people's music back so it had to be the work of the devil right now that that was it and the worst thing that we could do is mixed races and I would just be like. Yeah well my God you know so. There was the other side of this devil's music thing th- another aspect of it. Was this sort of like race thing and I mean I don't Lick on the show at all. I'm just telling you history. You know this is. This is how it was. And when Elvis got up there and fact there were people who had not seen L. was who just heard him who thought that he was black. I don't know if you realize this. In fact yeah a lot of people I remember my parents telling me that when they were young because see we okay. Everybody now has youtube and the Internet. You can google something in like like two seconds and know the whole story of it in the fifties. You didn't know who was black. White Jewish yes. You didn't you didn't know. And so a lot of these artists that sang rock and roll. Were emulating black music. Because these guys up Elvis would listen to late night. AM stations and he would hear old blues. They also listened to a Lotta music from south of the border as well and so they were bringing in all this other stuff. And that's what made it so exciting and so dangerous and you know the the two things is fed each other this sort of like fear of racial racial mixing or you know you know white kids listening to black music and then the kids were getting off on the fact. The new parents were screwed up about this so they wanted to play that up even more. So it's like this kind of snowball effect. It grew even more the British invasion because the Beatles really threw off this idea of what male masculinity was two people at the time that was long hair. Oh yeah okay now. And and also. They didn't act the way typical whole Western ideal. The idea of the Western male acted look that way. They didn't sound that way. They were sort of questioning. All of a sudden I again. People were really tied to when something is unfamiliar to your seems new. The first thing that happens you afraid once and then fear user turns into into extreme aversion or I'll use the word hate and that is where so much of this idea of the devil being being in music being rock music because it was popular and kids were gravitating towards it and kids were abandoning their traditional values in the favor of with the Beatles. Were telling them to do what they're all styles are telling them to do so. That is the sort of atmosphere. Where are this whole thing foster and I think that later bands like black Sabbath Venom and these bands that Judas Convention I think they they? They were wise to what was going on. They played on it because all kids kids want to do their own thing. They WanNa do the opposite of what their parents are doing. So if your parents are going to church you're going to worship the devil not literally but but you're going to buck and so this this just fed this whole idea of the devil in music. Why are we talking so much about? Because it's devils night. ooh Go double night and we're having a good time and Whilst you can speak for yourself so so you know. Lily brought up elvis the the devil in disguise. I wanted to kind of bring up sort of Philly guys on the you know the history somebody today called me a the music anthropologists. I like that So this is a little bit of that coming out Guys enjoy stuff like that. Please share the PODCAST. If you haven't already let the world world know about the the great music we play here while you got anything else on your list. What he got got smell last one Bohemian rhapsody by Queen US Assan written for the nineteen seventy five album night at the opera? It's six minutes week consisting of several sections that of course If you don't know this song by now Your I don't know who you are. Obviously but it's been said that one explanation it's about a young man who was killed someone and sold his soul to the devil on the night. Before his execution he calls for God's saying Besmellah which is and with the help of the angels regains his soul from Xian which is the devil of Islam No one actually knows the true meaning behind it because Freddie Mercury was very Secret about what it was about. Didn't really talk about it much. But in any case it mentions the devil several times in the song it was revived in the movie Wayne's world and the film version of the video the film version of the music video. One Queen it's only MTV video music award so so pretty cool stuff. I counted that I would not have thought of Bohemian rhapsody. The city is a song about the W I know right but they do mention it. That is different. Oh I know. Devil has details above has a devil put aside for me says `I references to hell and in things like that and things to make And then I did have one as I walked over here tonight. Devil's got a new disguise. It's an Aerosmith Song on the two two thousand six. The very best of Era Smith of the same name Devil's got a new disguise. It's not that awesome of a song but I like era so I put it on there. I don't have history behind it. Though you and your aerosmith. I love them ever Smith Okay. Let's talk about some comments from from all y'all out there. Shaun King says Master's apprentice by open. I know that one you. Here's one that like I. It was like of course to hell with the Devil by by my crash mccracken striper. Yeah I don't know what in that either man Michael Said Devil man which I would have said to you. Brian Urso said that it's a reference to devil man which is some anime anime character. But so what whatever. People don't know that Yoga last week. I know I still love that. Little Devil title by Michael Schenker Group Little Devil by the cult think eighty ninety. I haven't seen a minute. Shout at the Devil Dave. Douglas said mentioned mentioned that one as well Bryan who said Heaven and hell by Black Sabbath Black Sabbath a number of the beast straight devil with a blue dress Mitch Ryder and the Detroit. All right. We'll crash you know all the good ones brother love you man. Dan Qatar a mentioned running with the devil. Janet Lang said the devils bleeding crown. Don't I don't know that Song Song. Of course Dan also mentioned devil. Went Down to Georgia town. Great Song Georgia town dance with Mr de. We talked with seventy with the devil. But we do not talk about dance with that is a great one Damon is wild. By kittens. Bryant plugged his own band. It's fine that school assigned go for you worked in you. I respect that Hell's bells doesn't mention the devil. I don't think specifically typically not GonNa get you Satan get you. Yeah I'll yeah hell yeah crash. You're right on that one brother Satan serenade by courts rock band off Jane Johnny Stark. That might be ashes. Smashed as dance with the devil by breaking Benjamin In this case the devils alcoholic alcohol I got it. God Damn Devil Ugly Kid Joe Jambi by tool. Ethan Iraq Ra Rancho Roach Rochelle. I'd say wrote. I don't know that Song told by but Ethan if if you say so brother I'm down I would like to add tribute by tenacious d because it is a song about them fighting devil with this song that they'll come up with their walking down as they're walking down the road and IT IS A. It's a little to the crossroads thing and the whole thing so I would. I would definitely put that on here. This is Pagan Mama by Lou Lombardi strangelove. We're GONNA come back and finish up here in a minute talk to you guys. Thank you guys ringing out. Please share share the podcast Devil's night. Twenty nineteen so far I think is kicking ass and now and uh-huh Yeah it's the taste uh-huh it off it off. The law Lombardi's strange Pagan Mama. You can go to Lombardy. MUSIC DOT COM opened the show with sue. wocka sue WOCKA WOCKA TRIBE DOT COM Little Burger King Burger Burger Kill Dot Band Camp Dot Com. We're going to wrap things up with silk nine here in a minute. We're going to get out of here Devil's night. I think we had a good devil's night. We the whole old. Pike has about the devil not just the devil songs we gave you a little background on the devil. We talked about why people thought rock metal etc was the devil's music. The church burnings in Oslo Stat. Didn't help guys sorry. You know it's like you're GonNa do stuff like that you I know people are going to go away as bad RASC- kind of ruined for everybody else Jerks Jake's so our websites Lou Dini rock and roll circus dot com check back often tons of cool podcast as as well as you want if you want to hang out with. We're going to go party here over in our inner circle in a minute lily is going to have another white cloud whether she wants to or not. And you the GO-TO LOMBARDI ROCKS DOT COM. What that there's no mystery you just click? The thing that goes into the patient takes you into our. We have a closed facebook group so and it's very cool because there's no. Nobody's like arguing with each other. People disagree but they did. Do it respectfully talk about music. It's all music all the time. Really cool people having a lot of fun. No politics no flaming nope religion that Lombardi Iraq's Dot Com will get you in. We'll get you admission. WE'RE GONNA go over there and hang out and talk a little bit probably about what the next few weeks. Maybe we might ideas we might kick around for future stuff coming up. I Love I could do a podcast about the devil every week. I don't know why that sounded bad. Anyway so check it all out there LOMBARDI MUSIC DOT com as well as LOMBARDI ROCKS DOT COM lily. V six anything. You want to say anything bad. We got any any shout outs. We WanNa do before we rock out of here for today or should I just make sure you're listening. Show Thursdays tomorrow. Halloween show hotlinks lily six six PM. The M Eastern Time Fun rock radio download the APP for free. I am doing the world premiere of the song. Light work off of the new album late work by sub zero. They are a metal band from in Florida. So it'd be sure to check that out also a character from the movie running man by with Ron Ronald Ronald Schwarzenegger. Okay okay anyway. So check that out and I will be going live for vixen and winger on Saturday because wingers one of my other future husbands. I might change the last name to winger. We'll see. Aw that's all all right guys. Thank you so much for hanging out with US tonight. The Devil's night and we're going to go to go over. LOMBARDI ROCKS DOT COM. And join in. If you're catching send a replay. Oh my God I totally forgot rock. Radio is a little bit of an issue with their facebook thing so we haven't been on the facebook thing but we're still on the Rock Ridge Radio APP and Channel Rock Ridge Radio DOT COM. But if you're listening on rock radio this shows shows up a few days later you can still go to Lombardy rocks dot com and get involved in the inner in my inner circle group where I'm constantly sharing cool videos. Zain Pataki Lilies in there. Everybody you know it's just a really good group of folks that are really passionate about Great Guitar Rock so check that out there. All right guys. We're GONNA pop over there in a second. We're going wrap up with the band that I believe is during a CD released soon. I'm not allowed to say too much more than that. Actually we can say now. It is going to be The Saturday after Thanksgiving thanks giving they we are going to be emceeing for the show. Silk Nine silk nine is the band we're going to be we doing a We're going to be emceeing. Shell the next door cafe and blonde ox. PA that is on the. It's Saturday November thirtieth. Okay there's a doors or eight. Thirty and special guests are from Boston Massachusetts. They are something because I can't see the freaking thing young other. That's the name of the other young other. Okay you guys you guys to check that out. We do appreciate it next door cafe November thirtieth Saturday November Thirtieth Lucchini rock and roll circus live. We'll be working with silk nine on their CD. Release Great Band which you're going to hear now. We've played Adams many many times when playing silk nine for years on this bike as we love these guys but checking. I'll silk nine. I will care. I won't can't Antonio I'm sorry buddy I'm I'm just the computers far away but it's why won't care you silk nine. This single is out on all the songs by the way are available on spotify and we do spotify playlist. All you gotTa do is just search Looney rock and roll circus also. PODCAST is on spotify as well so if you prefer to listen to that way you can do do it as well. We're on I tunes and everything but I think most people prefer spotify these days. I won't Gary You silk nine. Get you guys soon. Pop over to Lombardi rocks. And we're going to continue the party waiting. What did I listen screaming committee? Yeah take not the rent's card. They did they along with the city. The J. Doc it's a Eh in and it out. I'm

devils Times US Devil Robert Johnson facebook Dini rock Lou Georgia youtube Suwalki alister Crowley Pittsburgh Dini rock Guy Andrew Freeman Burger Kilns Waka Google
Passion Business Podcast  Episode 12: Dr. Bere  Work You Love Coach

Passion Business Podcast

38:51 min | 1 year ago

Passion Business Podcast Episode 12: Dr. Bere Work You Love Coach

"Among welcome to the Hush Business Akasa the podcast for free spirits big I._T._N.. Wanted to passion into business this today. My guest is very unique it with Dr Barron Gift as successful Kupa Korea as tiny in Jammie to for the love of her life to the United States and install our own business enjoy today's episode and his voice if you like it don't forget to subscribe and he liked to leave the United States. I really appreciate that thank you hello and welcome bear unique. It's lovely to to have you here and I'm so proud of managed to Pronuncia name so yeah I had to to mention that so welcome. We're having a discussion before this started about names and how to pronounce them the whole difficulty of helping a name that works in your country of origin but not elsewhere so where the insights came from and we all both Jovan so yeah. Why don't you tell people your given away you from but not where you now and what you're doing now? I live just outside of D._C.. Now and I help people tom find work. They love set more into that leadership connect with their passionate purpose and basically just create alive but they really love so that's what I do know that sounds like such just right up my alley but my guess would be didn't get to the end of school thinking. That's what you WANNA do no not exactly so. How did you get to where you you know yeah? It is a it is a long story so my background is law and I went all the way till the end where was qualified for judicial office and worked in a big law firm on high stakes international cases and got a Ph t law and at some point. I just realized that was really what I wanted to do and had had known that before but I just had been able to ignore it and at some point I couldn't ignore it anymore and that was also when I met the person who's now my husband and he's he's American and so we had to situation Swan where like in the U._S.. It's important to have job security in good health care and tease since he has a really super stable able job he didn't WANNA leave. I'm so now question okay so who's GonNa move and eventually was like okay. I'll do it and then I noticed there's so much would have to do to get set up as a lawyer here and go through all that effort for something I don't want to do in the first place. Just didn't seem like a good use of my energy so that's when I decided I'm going to do my own thing and that's more or less how I got here. And of course you know it's a longer story as always as those me points yeah so how did you how did you then from knowing what you don't want. How did you go out what you do want yeah? It's actually they have really good story question not story. I think I wasn't process of trial and error and of getting clear about what lights me up with dozens and I think it's also moving target an always evolving so you know something that was really into two years ago may not feel quite the same way today cy if it's through like the UH finding some level of consistency while also being in the process of well what's emerging now. What's what's calling my attention now? What conversation don't want to engage yeah? Now I mean I'm I'm just thinking about the the like transferable in a house. Some some. I'm professions are really difficult to you know you have to basically start zero of you. You moved to a different country yeah and what I find so interesting as a lot of the skills I learned as a lawyer. I'm actually smell using like sometimes I work with people who are in really high stress situations like hey I can relate so I think there is a way where they can trust that are than if I hadn't been in situations like that or sometimes I talk to people who are engaging with lawyers in some sense. I think for a lot of people there's a lot of nervousness around even hiring a lawyer on your site right so I can talk to my Klein then Tala look this is probably what you lawyers thinking right now and no he doesn't have to be nervous and I can assure you you're probably not they're like most is organized client so it's it's all it's all good you know. They're also just people so you don't have to be afraid and <hes> yeah so. I think there's actually quite quite a bit of that. You can take from previous life into your. The current incarnation so to speak for people who make a make a huge shift. I guess that's helpful Jovan member because there is a whiz that especially when people should off the quite some time time in a particularly all I loved because I you know I he's reactions all the time. What what you just let your move to a different country and that was just like I'd love to but ice began the so long and the thought of throwing everything away until name and I really love how you point out that no you know actually throwing yeah I mean I think we kind of shape our personality and parse through or experiences so for me? Before I started law school I think in some ways pretty disorganized in my thinking thinking and I think it helped me become much more logical and structured and that's something that's never going to leave me just because it was such a process and similarly I think if you've had certain experiences always <music> half what you got out of those experiences like from me knowing that I can deal with super high stress situation of like working on a multibillion dollar case when it ever I know I have confidence events that's coming from that experience and I think whatever one has in the background there always some jewels you can take take with us from that so what what what why do you think that they seem to be so many people who on perpetual conform with the default future at some point days like that moment moment that you've come through and and this is what I really want yeah so I think part of that is readily vault mental process where I think now in many places in wall to work at a stage where it's okay to wonder about questions of meaning for this you like a hundred years ago. It was really more about material stuff. Perhaps you like making sure everybody's taking care of so and so forth so I think part of that is <hes> reach like like the country as a whole reaching straightens stage off. I guess like wealth where some leave the material will gets less important and questions of meaning and fulfillment become more important and of course they need to have your basic needs met him before you're going to start to wonder well. Let's purpose vice. If it's more like well actually my children. That may not be the first question to to consider like you're happy at work so I think that's definitely part of that. <hes> so I think it's related collective chest shots and I also think in the past the worst things were pretty rigid in many ways and as that structure gets shaken shaken up. It's more okay to be different than it used to be and I think we're all different like honestly like we're all Weirdos. If we're being really honest yeah so. It's like how much you let out how much out yeah exactly so so it's also about like just letting a weirdness and you know the frequency are out and that's I think that's probably part of what's what's happening. I think part of it may also be UN unrealistic expectations. I think part of it is like super healthy. You know asking what I wanted to my life. What's going to make me happy like what work can I not do and what would I regret on my deathbed if I didn't do it so I think these are really healthy questions explorations then on the other hand? They're sort of like this unhealthy version of it where it's like never enough and we have so many choices but like too many choices can be a president actually 'cause if you don't know what to choose and you always chasing after the next best thing. That's also not good so kind of like really finding what sort of like the housing version of this exploration what's unhealthy and I think that is to say. I can't remember who it's from what this it's you can't have a happy enough of what you don't really read of the gas. Yeah I yeah and that sort of jumped San wind in that context when I think when you attach expectations. When can you think that business at Joel will give you you know happiness yet? Probably you know running your own business. Can give give you little things but it can't guarantee your happiness you know and what I what I yeah so so I recently read a bit more about this distinction between happiness and fulfillment and so it's really not about happiness like happiness is often so short a fleeting experience. It's almost a bit more like fos not not to say that happiness is not at all and it's not the same as fulfillment or meaning or something that's steeper and more lasting so this this advice of ally not looking looking for happiness but looking for fulfillment and said. I think that's actually perhaps the white look at the whole conversation. I think there are lots of things we do that. Don't necessarily make us happy in the moment but that Phil Really. Really good having gone through it yeah so so is did you recognize pattern in in the people speak to all the sudden I dunno personality. Did you type certain professions who are more likely to search for more meaning and fulfillment well. I mean I think there are professions. <music> tend to be less happy and of course laws one of them <hes> so you can you can you can look at research about how many people are depressed are have have other other challenges. They're dealing with in different professions so so I think there's some some some part of it is specific to the profession but I think in general a lot of people have a desire for finding out who they rely on what they really want to give to the walls. Did that answer your question. I'm not completely star if that's well yeah I don't know it was just a little bit idea because I kind of I guess what sparked it was. Would you say about how useful stumbled will stumble into all and you know it seemed like the right thing to do at the time but at some point you realize like <hes> you know that wasn't really the thing and no longer spoke to somebody who had a similar kind of change and she started altered all studying finance and the one because it's Chris like it was it was the thing that was considered. <hes> you know like you you get hyper st stalled and to secure yeah and it's spat thing that that you know well meaning parents and teachers and kind of try and guide you to you know it's a secure thing. It's the the well paid job. It's that you know that's up for life and I was just wondering whether there's maybe that patent that you know I I don't know I can think offer a handful depressed doctors like the same sort of thing you know where there is this expectation that this high prestige Joel will give you that sense of you know fulfillment and happiness when it doesn't do that in rights and so so I often talk about this money or meaning dilemma where people basically feel by can either get this prestigious save <hes> so suicide socially acceptable you know job or they can be a starving artists but love what they do and and I think it's more often people who have gotten the external success and then notice Oh. I'm really not happy with what I'm doing. I think it shows up a bit differently for people who like what they're doing but don't have the financial stability they want. I actually no one person who you know that all this self exploration following their passionate zone and so forth and then they decided to go to law school which I think is actually pretty interesting because typically. It's more the other way round right you become lawyer. You become an artist so I think it's awesome about finding a way to bring both of these together and what what does that look like and I think the thing is in our society in society. I mean like basically generally societies around the world. You know we have a clearly defined path of external success and it's clear what you need to do to be externally successful right you get into a place where you have some form off work. That's St Joe's where you get a lot of money what you have influenced and so on and so forth and that's relatively clear to find as a pass and then on the other hand and if you want to go for internal fulfillment that's also very clearly define. That's you know like maybe you'll become a monk or or you find something that's very meaningful internally and typically that doesn't come with a lot out of money so if we wanna find something what what is true success look like Kinda like both have external success however that looks like an internal fulfillment. There's not a possible that society because that's like very unique to you to who we are and you're going to look different than mine is going to look different than you know another person because because we will all value different things so so I think yeah that's where it gets tricky but what else interesting but yeah that's really interesting interesting way of looking at so true isn't it that there isn't there. Isn't that yeah you can't follow anybody's footsteps because not it hasn't been done Roussel Yeah Yeah Yeah and I think there's a lot of fear about doing things differently and I think for good reasons because if we look at our human pass we always needed to belong to a group uh-huh yeah like if you're by yourself a neuro editor animals are all and and I don't know you out of a cave and you get eaten by not good and if if if the group <unk> l._s. about it and and you're done for so I think sort of like the fear of not belonging as really really deep yeah. I think so too yeah the <hes>. I guess I guess the thing. Is this the if this seems to be that that either stability in all fulfillment. Fulfillment and excitement and I must out con B._C.. ICON be agree like from my experience a convenient way with that because I action started my own business because that's what <hes> you know this thing that you know you always is your little one restructuring away from being out of a job and that really started to sort of shut up like I started my business. I was like thirty nine or something and and I thought <hes> you know and I could see the whole itchy industry shifting and and I thought like this this is going to get difficult in a like now it was. I don't like it was still that's okay I could contract with Finnish project would finish up and like okay yeah. There's nothing else right now here and it would just hey you know yeah a couple of phone calls and she couldn't get another job in an open. I thought well you know go beyond fourteen go beyond fifteen. This is going to vote yeah. I think you touched a really good point so I think perhaps that would be better too tainted to perceive the politics. I think people often think that Oh if I'm working for somebody it's safer that working for myself which I think in some ways that's true and in other ways that isn't because there are basically you basically have one declined declined fires you. You're a worse situation on if you have five or ten clients and one doesn't want to work with you anymore so there is often more diversification. Let's happens when you have a business or or maybe different incomes dreams and at least more control over how you know when when also it's like you take all the credit you take responsibility but at least you know you though the boat you know. There's something that you don't like the way it's going. You have the power to Suwalki. That's not going to have to get creative and do something else that he knew in the company. Nothing in a bigger company gets worse than there's always somebody somebody else who tells you how to do things and you know and then two departments merge and your your out and it doesn't mean anything to mess nothing to do with you you know and then if you happen to be you know like yeah. Let's say an age group where it's difficult to actually this seems to be more vulnerable to me then yeah you know being my own boss where you know I can make the changes that make sense in that moment so it's actually opened that the seeped unsal the perceived certainty when you think about it with dealing with uncertainty all the time right like you know the only thing that certain as death in Texas yes sir all they say how'd you like. How do you like in the state? Yeah is really interesting. I never expect to all the changes that came from being an bicultural marriage. Neither my husband nor I think we both Kinda thought like we'll be married and will be the same person and then suddenly I'm noticed saying oh I'm becoming more American becoming more German. It's quite an interesting shift to your identity. Especially innocence. I didn't really have said on my radar wasn't like ever planning on moving here. It wasn't really I think it would have been different if we met while US already living near or if he had moved to Germany and then we meet but it is such a shift on such a deep level evil in terms of identity and like just seeing all all these condition names and so on and it's not like I have left Alford like wasn't Canada for year in high school. I wasn't in Spain for your in Vietnam so I left for short periods in other countries so it's not like like new shooting being elsewhere. I think I was always pretty culturally aware and want to say culturally sensitive kind of like knowing how cultures are different and so on and so forth but it's so different in its permanent is like I'm always GonNa be big American because I'm married UNAMERICAN and there's not even like any choice about it just as there's not a choice about who you are based on where you were born and I think that's really interesting to to see that yeah. It actually opens up some interesting little treads. I guess like this this communication that home and I think it actually is worse. Actions speak the same language our interesting because he kept exclusively because you sort of thing. I think it's action more tricky than say to somebody. I don't know like just an extreme example somebody from China by it and don't speak the same language so we have very cancel in double checking whether we really talk about the same thing because we have a you'll cultures like so a away a mine and so we expect a lot of misunderstandings but but when it's like some of a lot closer and when you do speak the same language I think there's there's a lot of room for misunderstanding that only comes out like locally to win. It's like Oh but did you find that and I think the thing is also. I think there's this assumption that Oh the U._S.. In Europe a pretty close culturally I think they're not at all <hes>. They really aren't but but I guess because so. Many people in the U._S. are originally from European send. It seems to be that way but there's such a world of difference and I think that's that's really interesting and for me to see and also to see how it shifting my way I see the wool because I think you know we're always shaped to some extent by the culture around us either where in opposition to the culture or cadillacs or it's generally a mixture of both and I think it's fascinating. I think it would be good for most people to kind of just experience a cultures on a deep level and it's such a good way to notice once on blind spots and the blind spots off the culture. You're in too yeah. It goes both ways for sure but it does really unveil a substance. Will they all yeah yeah yeah yeah because I lived in Australia and I had exactly that same things like no. It was like <hes> I also actually funny. You say that these that that thing that I sport. It's culturally pretty similar while at actually wasn't yeah so. How long have you been in the states in the mail three years okay yeah so what are what are your plans minds? Have you any brands all are you. Somebody doesn't plan all where do you see yourself in. I don't know you to three yeah so obviously have sort of like a general direction isn't that I want to move into so right now. I'm becoming more and more interested in. I guess we could say the discussions are aren't leadership specifically authentic leadership shop and so I think I'm going to look more into that. As we go forwards I am also just in terms of my own business in the process of shifting more towards you know working with less one on one with people enjoying more things that's a bit more scalable in terms of reaching more people and so on and so forth so that's also happening yeah and I mean in general Israel. It's been my expectation that on average my life has gotten better each year. I'm expecting to think like one of those things that it's really positive have positive about being being dedicated to unsown growth typically stuff actually does tend to get better. I mean in the last year I dealt with a lot of loss and grease so obviously that wasn't pleasant at all aw and that's not something I would include in the old things are getting better and I think that's something that you can't really influence. It's always something that can deal with so if I don't look at those external circumstances <unk> getting better all the time so expect that like three years from now. I'm going to feel even more confident in my skin. I'm more even more clear but what I'm doing. I'm more engaged in conversations with other people have more of off you not just the network of people that are interested about the same things and so on and so forth so yeah that sounds fantastic the related to the life gets better yeah. That's definitely and there's always that when when the age thing comes up and this is like Oh you know you're getting older and I I said it when I was like when I wasn't even thirty and I said well you know the the here that I look back to last year synagogue. Ought you know like last year was better. That's when I saw worrying about age you know but that just hasn't happened it. Always that sense like Oh actually you know but more like you said from that. Not a stop or unpleasant stuff isn't happening around around me but it's just not that in a sense of peace and confidence and being comfortable in my own skin. That seems that's that keeps getting better so there's US great Claude. It's not that we change. Just we get older and smarter that we see. It's more that we come more for. We are or something like all that's the end and I think that's probably why he kind of likes. Worry less about what doesn't matter and more about what matters worse and then I think the other thing is also. I don't really see myself as h anymore. It's more like a timeless. Get what I mean. Light like like the timeless timeless version of yourself or it's like yeah you know like I'm somewhere between two and two hundred depending depending on the time of day I asked both like this toddler and the super wise all Seoul staged on media and everything in between so that's amazing. I love that love it. That's a myth so if there's one piece of advice you could. You've somebody who's <hes> sitting there and hating Mondays yeah so I think the most important thing I would say is to not ignore that feeling as a think life tends to get worse if if we ignore warning signs so I think the worst thing that can happen to people is if they are in a situation that's bad but not bad enough to take action so I think thinks sometimes hitting rock bottom can actually be a good thing if it gets us to make a necessary change and stopping just before we hit that bottom is actually worse than heading. It's I agree. So yeah I actually actually have video about that. where I'm talking about all we can see our relationship to work as a relationship and then like what type of relationship partner you work like are? They abusive interested in looking at it. Why don't you send me the links? I can put it in the same. Maybe that's a good fit yeah like the like. Basically you know uh you need a restraining order if they were relationship partner and so I'm just a couple of questions that I think have relate interesting to consider so. I think that's really the first step because I think the first step to anything is awareness and sort brilliantly becoming aware of actually happy or rather was talking about the whole happy as maybe not the right but am I actually feeling fulfilled here yeah and well you just ask for one piece of advice sells to be well if you have another one shoot another one now and I think the other thing is just talking to some day about this. Actually how when we start making changes <unk> our environment can sometimes react not so favorably to that to put it lightly and it's time you'd like I mean it's it's it's their right in a way 'cause they came into our lice at a certain time and just because we feel we want to change Sweitzer Bay but it also doesn't mean that you can change this might mean <unk> likes finding people who are more aligned with where you wanna go because because I think it's so important to have people who help you find or get get get cannot like closer to your yourself so I love doing stuff <hes> with my future self and like you know what what my ideal future self be in that area and what what she advised me to do us. I think that can be such a great way to old Ford Yeah. It's powerful because it is always about you. Would you need to be in order to the yeah yeah and tapping into that yeah. It's so I mean that's actually it's a it's a huge topic for people who want to start their own business and go out and do their own the thing that sends that partner's family on supporter and I think as I agree with you. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's just when people think that they need that. Support isn't helpful if somebody if you you know you ask the move actively working against you that's not helpful but but at the same time they also need that time in that space to adapt to you know and to and it's often their own fears and they'll their own. Maybe you know unfulfilled little you know dreams that you know comes up them yeah so it doesn't even say that much about about your Lino like the person themselves and and rather than all he should support me in a so allocate you don't like how can I make them feel that they're still important to me as open as well yeah and I think also not being afraid of relationships changing so I think Tony Robbins has this advice that I actually kind of liked and he was like love you Lafayette Families Choose friends and of course you know. Some friends have been around for so long that they're basically early family and even if you have nothing to talk to them about anymore like you're still going to stay in relationship was on but yeah I mean it's just like for me with New People that it come into my life. I'M NOT GONNA really engage with people unless we have some shared understanding or resonance and was picking open in my life before that's different because they call like half that history a and you have yes some some joint experiences and of course with the family <hes> I think having a good relationship with a family is so helpful on so many levels and and yeah so so kind of find a way to make that work awesome relationships that are really deep in my experience. If you change at some point the people will will get used to it and it can also free Ma'am to some extent and vice versa. Obviously it's not like only we're always changing and yeah the the I I love those. They actually listen to that feeling you know doesn't he. Jet Up your job tomorrow but not ignoring it. I think it's the the most important thing yeah yeah thank you so much. Where can people go point you? Yes so <hes> my website is Aleph. Coach Dot Com and I have a blog and you can get my free serious bunch of videos and worksheets that can surly Calvia. Take those steps when you stuck in your job so I think that's my best. That's the best place and there are also links sy- social media and so in a few that waisome yeah so I'll put the link in the show notes when a half that easy one wants to make it easier for people to find you because I think he is loads of people who need your help. The thank you so much for this great conversation. Welcome thank you so much for coming in and spending this time with me and helping all these people who <hes>.

United States Jovan partner Joel Pronuncia Swan San Dr Barron Tony Robbins Europe Suwalki Kupa Korea Jammie Klein Phil Really president Calvia Seoul
Shohaku Okumura Roshi: Stories from Modern Zen Masters

The Wisdom Podcast

1:03:02 hr | 2 months ago

Shohaku Okumura Roshi: Stories from Modern Zen Masters

"This is wisdom podcast. The wisdom cast I'm Daniel Aken, CEO and publisher of Wisdom Publications before we get started I wanted to tell you all about an exciting new initiative, the wisdom experience at the wisdom experience you'll find our full library of podcast episodes, and by subscribing you'll have access to the video. Versions of some of our podcast to you can also gain access to extensive online reading catalog, acclaimed lecture, series, and many online courses simply go to wisdom experience dot org to check it out for this episode I had the great pleasure of speaking with Shawki Mirror Roshii Japanese Soto Zen priest and revered writer and translator. Okay Miro, she is also the founder and current Abbot of the Sunshine Zan Community in, Bloomington Indiana. In this conversation you, he accumulated row. She tell powerful stories, not only from his own life, but from the lives of his teaches zen master Kosho Gucci in the Great Kodo Suwalki Roshii, one of the most influential Sodas and teaches of the twentieth century. Off camera she explains the emphasis on Zan of a monastic rituals within his lineage drawing parallels to both duggan's teachings as well as he's on personal encounters with Zan. You'll also hear how this emphasis on Zane has played out in his development as a practitioner as well as his development as a translator. I so much enjoyed this conversation and I hope you. You mentioned that you discovered a book that sort of set you on your down a path and that book was called self. It was by show which Yama, so I was wondering how you came upon that. and. What was in that book? That really spoke to you. When I was seventeen years old I was a high school shooting in Osaka. And I didn't like school system. And I have A. Friend who didn't exclude neither. So. We are always talking and complaining about. Japanese education system and value system when Japanese, society at the time you know, definitely Pru, why what very hard to make money to make Afterward what to Japan were very poor, so they have to restore them prosperity. So they walk God and. We didn't like walking heartful. Make money we. I addressed. I wanted to find some Meaning of more making money. And that school? You know teachers teach us. We have to study hard to go to our Christie Jess. University And that is to get a good job got means to make good money and I couldn't find any meaning. OBE live in that way over F. So we are in the intervals. And I often escaped from grass room and a win to a laboratory school library. Under or many books about philosophy. On Cy, young son and so forth. And that friend has some Wa Food New Anti Z.. to two. So the pass on went to on to practice. Who is a does? Qudos Shonda. Under G is a monastery in Kyoto. Is that is that? Yes I live with ing or soccer. On Growth from Osaka. So. During the summer vacation, the friend went to untie visited and ties understated therefore. I think about two weeks. On that was the year nineteen sixty five that that was. Like after was published, the first book on that was Or the set of soul. My friend was staying at anti-g. He gave a copy of Bush's a book to his friend. And after he came back from as he, he allowed me to read that book. That was how I. Studied to read that book so. You you. You had more like poetic sensibility that didn't. You know that. May You know the work? The school to work sort of passed less appealing to you and the end you found in this book self something that spoke to you and I'm wondering. What what what do you do you remember any any particular quotes from the book of what what spoke to you hot. Okay An. I led the book. I wanted to find meaning of life for the best way to leave and why we should leave. So I was asking the question did many books. I lead Jamora Russia's a book I found that. I. Was a teenager. He had the same question and he to find. The answer to his question, he went to wasn't university to study west of Los of and. Fire, Hugh studying Western philosophy. He, find that deeply understand. I'm philosophy of He needs to understand Christianity, so after he completed muster 'cause, he became a teacher at a Catholic seminary. In Japan on the he thought Feudal Sophie and Matic's and also he had some kind of our hope that he could be a Catholic, but after six months he find he couldn't. And why was that because he felt he couldn't feet in the institutional racism in Catholic Attach. So, so he quit that job after six months and went back to Tokyo. Octavia you before he, he became the teacher. Fire. He was a university student. He married and. He defies wife. passed away with TB to unity's and So after he went back to Tokyo from the similarity, he married again and he's a sick underway for also died. Why she was. Pregnant to us, very. Painful experienced for him, yeah. and. He find that studying philosophy unthinking doesn't. Give me the answer. Wow, fi! He started to practice then okay, so then so light you. He was looking for the meaning of life. And then he he's path took him to the university to study Western philosophy. And this is this is coach Yama right very famous. Yes, and so then he went to university, and actually was studying western philosophy for the meaning of life. Yes, then he realized that he couldn't really understand Western philosophy without understanding Christianity, and then so that took him to studied quite deeply Christianity I. Think so yes, but he was. It didn't fit well with him. The the institution, the kept of the Catholic Church, and so he found himself. Back, that's how he found himself studying well, then he had these tragedies in his life. You know and he realized that intellectual. Study of Philosophy, all these intellectual philosophy is not a solution to this emotional pain of life. And, so then he turned to Zan attuned to Zan. Is that correct? Yeah, he tried to find the best teacher for him and he would find. Is this when he come? He came in studied with Kodo so arche, yes, at that time at that time circular. She was the Goto are kind of teacher. The Saudis e modestly Neog Tokyo I i. know this. This term homeless Kodo Right, so this is the same great teacher Great Zen teaches yes, and he was mostly not add a monastery by wandering round. Is that correct, or did he? He stay at some monasteries in that. That's how they met. During that period, he was a teacher I cut the monastery, but the same time he was a professor at Tacoma's universe. Comas Social Tasha University yes so he. He still didn't have his own temple. Was a teacher, a staff of that big monastery. And he he's continued to travel all over Japan. On On that day, Jemele! Ordained was December. A Thousand Nine, hundred, forty, one, nine, hundred and forty-one. Powder how about the? Well. Wow. And and so. This was a special meeting between these two teachers right very influential. After that, he practices with our Keno she and what he's practiced. Look like what how in those days would have looked like to learn Zanan Japan all the time so shots billy special then. Photos and teacher. She Jerry focus on their then. Even though he no, he knew everything research I mean about. Molested practice but At the time in which allows for the ordained, he bought a temporary. Not far from Tokyo and he allowed. His disciples to stay that impro-. and. was always travelling, but he visited that temporal on the while. Someone's to read our five this season. Okay, Except that five decision, those not isn't monks. another suggestion. named Sam nicest in that means offense oculus was there are many people from outside of came to this decision, but during this session under by design into monks, and they start literary twenty four hours. Wow, he's from. They sat from two in the morning. do me tonight. They see! Fifty minute. Periods and minutes king honor the beat it until midnight except three times a day for me use. And during that time they somebody is Go around with your circle. Hitting stick yes, so often they. Sleep the IT'd be heat. Wow, but do adding to our be between midnight and two in the morning. They stop using. So they could sleep. Wow, and and so they would still sleep in sitting position yes. Yes, while so that's you stay where you are, but you would slate. Yes, so literally they twenty four hours for seven days to seven days. So this is like so coach Yama Win Win. This master went and studied with Suwalki. Roshii this was like the training he would undergo. Yes, it's very interesting that it's fifteen minutes fifty, five, zero, five zero fifty minutes then than ten minutes of. Walking Meditation Walking Meditation of fifty minutes, seating ten minutes walking fifty minutes Tan all the way from two am to midnight. Yeah, except except city mead was on the show the X.. Throwing the meal while, and that would last for seven days is and the role of that. Was that a training? What was the hope if you went for seven days and trading like that? What was the hope? Will the purpose of doing such intense study? Practice I mean. You know so most famous thing. Is that ain't good for nothing? Good nothing that we go I. I had expected an answer like that. So, they just they just see so then I'm. So. OCOEE OSHII who very. Well known for emphasizing ZAN rather than the ritual meditation like the the rituals of the monastery. Yes, and so this is the lineage that you entered into this type of leaning Chinese. Tamara practice at that temple in that to a four three years three years. After three hours, be! At the end of their worldwide to you know they. They had to leave that emperor because to the rain talk your had to. Evacuate evacuate. From Tokyo, understate temple into countryside, so they had to leave. Wow, and so you this seven days. How often in a surfer three years and then? How often would you do the seven days? In. A year I think once a month once a month every month. How so twelve times a year maybe and then for the other three weeks of a month. What would you be doing in these monasteries? They do use your scheduled the morning then and. Morning savage. Chanting. Onto studied periodic and forty in the afternoon watching billiard. That was the. day skills you're. Okay, and then your teacher coach Yama, was he? Was He given? Did Suwalki Yoshi make him he's air or something like that. How does it work in in Soto? A. So Jim Morris practicing that to a research for three, and he had to leave the temporal and he he needs to moving around, so he became another formless monk. Homeless! Until nineteen, fourteen nine. I'd. Borrow emptied, improve empty. Temperament known they were. There are no for many members, so it's the empty without family member means without an income. Wow and so he stayed there that became his place so Oculus Bano that tim prove for his disciples. which she found some more targets disciple uber there. At anti-regime in. Okay got starting a starting point of anti-g as a solid. She's improve. Okay, so this is the Wa- The temple near Kyoto Anton, G Anti. Yes, and that's the one that your friend from university went to. Then you back this book, self. So I find that. Same Question I had when Human Asia and he devoted himself to find the answer. To this Oh, he studied western. Philosophy Catholic theology on the on the Buddhism and Sin. And after he found his answer was in practice Dorgan's teaching he continued to practice and share the answer he found was younger people so I I wanted to Kim. You wanted to live like him. Wow, yeah, he. He was a fast oxidative. Pass on. Who Do such a way? Wow So? Like. What did you imagine he's life looked like that. You want to emulate so. He was obviously doing a lot of Zan and reading yoga. What what did you imagine? The life looked like back then I didn't I up in the city near Sokaia to me to study Daraghmeh on just dozen on the wild Ford in within the temporal. and. I knew they believed. Baking Takata because. The emperor had no income. So I really loved that overnight for I think that was kind of other talented way of life from. Life for making money. Yes, yes, it's a stock contracts, and and you'd sense that there will be some meaning in that life. What was it the simplicity? What did you think what would what what made that like I, feel like it had meaning simplicity peacefulness. On the study and Facing onset fizzing roofs facing oneself. Yes, not for doing something. With, other be put forth a of something to me that the good for nothing means good turn and dog is famous for saying to study the Dhamma away ways to study the self. Yeah, what do you take that to mean? 'cause that could mean many things. To India understand. We are. Is this how this? Awesome was a bomb undeserving together either be grew on. Sunday dying. How duty how to understand that process of between you. And this. Yes, on the meaning of this. Yes, then this. This is a really different type of life, and this really gets to the heart of the meaning of life right? I think so from the way of life I were expected by the Japanese society and then. So Lucky Rochhi and also coach Yama their emphasis on Zan rather than the monastic rituals. Do you think, where do you think a? Why do you think they had that emphasis? What? How did that come about for these great masters? Finn, Sarky she became, wanted to become a monk that. He was still a teenager. I think sixteen years old. On he he. visited a his to become a monk, but about the day he. He couldn't be ordained. Before because he need to find a job before and during the. saw. But he didn't know any teach us. Oh, he somehow a stayed at anti as they walk, and he ovezov how monks practice. And he somehow found Essense of their practice. Has Been or allow sitting. And he and he found people sitting. He ferried something very deep and sacred without knowing it is so you said I encounter that Dr thing before studying for days. And so for him, that is something very special. Do you think that was an important? Approach to Zan full. Suwalki Yoshie to actually experience something before he studied it. Yes, yeah, right? Yeah, and after that he was ordained and He he couldn't studied for. Hugh couldn't practice. Dharma for seven years because he was drafted, oh. Yes, underwent. During. Japan was, but after the after he determined from the. Army he studied. Teaching, okay I IDA Yoga Jira. INADA, and after that he's practice. Study Dogan practice then. So after that he. He after he completed. Studying she became a teacher, I wanNA ask the INFO local monastery in Soto's shift. And he and he found that Neither monks, nor the teacher the at Mona XLII presented yearly Sierra Practice Wow Yup. They are the to become a priest to them how to do ceremonies. Charges and he didn't like it, so he escaped. This is a lineage of escaping institutions. It sounds. Yes. and. It's interesting. I am so you mentioned? He went to a Yoga Chara. Temple he was yoga temples in Japan. Was this at university? Can put or monastery both I mean. Hold you is. One of the oldest, but is tempering Japan. Established by Short Oktai, she I think fringe shorter. who was a person who? Accepted Buddhism. In Japan, Japanese, history and hold you. Temple was horns on a main one ASCII all. So a shoe. Halsall shoe is. Jeopardized Japanese a name for your teaching. While in so so there was this, so he really saw what was happening this Suwalki Grocery? So what was happening in the monastery? This became his emphasis on Zan along with the importance because he felt a real value of encountering something directly before you study it. Yeah, would Kush Chioma have studied? Then before he encountered like. Would he have followed the same sort of as? I. Think so even when he was studying western. Philosophy has studying Buddhism, but but not practice. And then I heard one thing that well. This is interesting because I heard one thing while Suzuki row. She was in America teaching. JAPA- Japanese forms then coach Yama was in Japan. Emphasizing Zana Ova Japanese ritual forms right so this. This feels like two different things going on in two different parts of the planet right? Yeah, yeah, is that? Do you think that's you know that's a generalization? But do you think it's a fair generalization of these two strings? Very interesting. because. Saw put the emphasis on sitting that in practice. And A. Practice ceremony or each office. but he studies Dorgan's teaching very deeply. And in Japan, people who Neil? What we practice on the sitting under studying Dogan they. People knew these aggregated. So if people want to. Study Oh a practice, such indenture. They could go other tempers. Yes, right, so it's. So it's not a complete to. How can I say contradicted I mean. She's Tim. RUSSA's time you. Yes, and then what about Zan style like I hear this opium style of Zen practice and win this like sitting, described as just sitting in much more. It can they be different styles of just sitting? I think basically. The same based on dog and teaching Yeah Yeah. You know as I, said Fan. He became a monk with is. The various. Strict session. Yes, and he's after three years of experience of that kind of decision he found. That is not meaningful. To to tweak too strict. He said other living beings. We need thirteen. Amount of sweep. Yes other. Why do we become We experienced kind of abnormal era mentality. Yes, yes, too much strain I saw she decided to sleep seven hours. Okay so after. This? Started his own steidl session. WE SEPT Seventeen fourteen hours fourteen period from four in the morning until nine in the evening, so we have seven hours of sleep, and who and what January thought, that is enough so we have no excuse to three. Maybe a bigger stick. Biggest! On the order, so she quit using Kosaka or he did okay so. She didn't use use Kazakh. Eighteen. Stick. He felt that wasn't helpful to the practice he. said that a kind of hindrance hindrance. Yeah, because someone is walking behind people sitting somehow. People sitting and people walking around. talk. Talk! I mean site into Lee silently. Yeah, you're talking silently. Yeah I imagined for me. It would be a worry in my mind. Maybe a big distraction data. Destruction and indolence to be Daddy Jesse. Yes, yeah. And then also og, as in is being called session without toys site. So, what does what does that mean? That means Other kind of says she not other races. They have morning. ZOMBIES in not ten. Just formulas. Is Kink. And Digested extra and appeared on time on doors various things. Yes, so for whichever studies disruption. Thought that toys toys. Yes Yup. So it is, it is really just practice. Just sitting, just sitting three times eating seven hours sleep repeat. This is the. Fourteen of dozen on seven dollars per yet, so was it the fifty minutes ten minutes walking meditation as well yes. Yes, he. He didn't change that about yet. Yeah, wow, and then so so you came across this book right and then you read this book you're inspired. You thought I think this life would have been more meaningful. So what do you do go to? The temple how what's next? Tough, Guy He's a book. me and my friend Wanted to go to anti forces in got it yeah. But somehow we couldn't because of some. School event. So we. Get it up and I feel I. WE ARE Lucky. I didn't go I go to untie. Do Session Athena Seventeen I. I'm pretty sure I do not mind. Yes, my years so. Activity. Indoor that the December sixteen, one thousand, nine hundred sixty five cyclists passed away. Okay, yeah, and. In February next year my my friend died. Know how young. Yeah? He had cancer, Oh, Gosh, so she died within six months. Wow. I know. Everybody. She had sadie. And and yet we couldn't do anything. On the he died in July. Wow, so imagine that was a big loss for you. Because that's yeah, it was really painful and sad experience. To me. Yeah, that was one of the reasons. I decided to become a monk Yup. But it was it was although it was painful, but still I felt some kind of DEF-. Because of his death because I was thinking about meaning. Leading books and But he died a few Probably our could be. She's death he we talk. We talked about some kinds of. Things but the mineral rights. And because he was so weak. so he said I don't care about menu anymore. Wow Devi is had enough. Just living his just living with your just breezing. and. So and About one league. Later he died so I found that actor life on this is not taking in our thinking. Yeah. It seems like for him that I'll you know worrying about? The meaning of life was a relaxed luxury night. And it's not. Not Reality so I fast fund. We have to do I. Have to something. Yes, and that was a time I also I. I lead Dorgan's Gonzo Cohen. Cohen and I. I didn't understand your go on. Threes I accept it one. Part the parties about fish and bod. Bird dog and said if under wanted to understand entire Sky Austin There's no time. They good before before starting to. See more FRY if they want to understand entire sky or or Does not time he could. They could start do seem. Free so it's it's it's it means. Does this mean like that to try and understanding the meaning of life before you start living is doing it backwards. We have to fast. We have to live I threw living. We can find the. meaning. Yeah wonderful and That is. That was kind of duty for me. I should do things. But I didn't know. That is more than Dory saw I decided before starting to do dozen. I decide to go to university to study Buddhism. Allow. and. I like studying. What is a major was? Interesting. But after three as I found. That I was at that point, I had to make decision. I want to be a Buddhist scholar or practitioner. and. If I wanted to. I wanted to study become Pretty Scott I. It took my entire life. Yes to study. But that is not fat I wanted. So I. decided to become a monk. After thirty. Yes, I visited on John Asked to Jemele. To become his disciple, so you chose learning to Utah swimming rather than learning about the whole lotion i. Yes, yes, I've felt studying, but his mother's Carrozza studying. Let's B.'s we that cooking eds. Yes, yes, yes. And then I'm wondering how it was when you first went to university to study Buddhism. Because you've read this book, the Dhamma Book a self. You had this idea about the life of a of a Buddhist at attempt Boya, and then you went to university so I imagine that there was some quite large contrast there for you even though you enjoyed studying very much. It must have been a a bit of a difference for you. Hustle. I had always kind of thing salt to possibility to be to become. US Scott what the become. The practice. And I liked both but After! After three years I had I. I did the point that I have to make choice and the around that time. One of my professors said if we become a Buddhist. Through this career, you have to need books ten hours a day for ten years. Wow every day. And we said. We should study I know it was. quietly for ten years, so yes, that was a good choice. Yeah Yeah! You Conrad both horses! Ten Ten ten years of. Virginia and I. I. Should you know sit? Side entity for ten years the Wow, and so how do you so? You go from the University to the Temple? Is that is that? Why you chose. Yeah, yes, I was ordained as a monk or priest. Finn I. I was twenty two I was university student. Wow but I wanted to quit the school. Yes, but which. encouraged me to fast finished school on Goto Anti. It's quite an amazing story. Because when you're sixteen, you read this book, right? And the the person who wrote the this book self was will. Chioma and you and you and your friend would take in by this and you thought you would go to the town. He's Temple, g right, but then some for some reason you couldn't. And then your friends ended up dying and then went on this other path. And this went took you university? And then as you finish. University you you returned to the temple? You would have gone to and study with the person who wrote that book. It's quite you're twenty two now. So I think I was lucky I, didn't. Make that the. Aria. Because timing is important. Because I was not ready to. Jump into that kind of life. Yeah, so the timing is so important. And also another thing I had to think is. In Japanese society, he five or the sun need take care of the family Venus and take take care of their parents. The become older. And I was a fast. So you had. To make to decide to become a monk means I give up. You know that responsibility. Yes, at my family. So that was another thing I had to think so. How did you come to terms with that? and. I decided to become a monk I found to. Be a good son that not necessarily mean to get out. Get them, but I. Find. idee want to do or I live in the way ideology wish to leave I think is. is under the meaning of being a good son. Okay. Yes, so to be a good son of your parents is to live in the way. You. Think is best so then you're at the temple and yesterday. What was it like meeting a coach Yama after you know, he must have been quite a figure in your mind. Where HE DADDY? Focus on sitting? and teaching. And lighting books. He was very weak. Apostle as I said She's a faster way. Pasta died with TB. and. Cameras transmitted TV from. She's a forest. Okay! Wow, so she lived with TV. Yes, toby, she's right now, so he physically, he was very weak Bassem. So he couldn't sit with US daily. He sat with us on D. during session. Yes. Under solar stove without months he. Believed in the way. She take care of the body. And put it bear for. US. And giving. Luke chess on lighting books so he would give lectures. attend lectures. How often would that happen in in at the temple? I I think everybody every. Other Sundays. We heard that's I. Think I someday. Guy! And people came from outside and. Gave to lecture on Sundays. in the morning and afternoon I. Think Wonder was nineteen meetings. and He. You you talk about one Logan's likings show Gonzo Ginza, and so is this how you encountered? And because I'm wondering, does this emphasis on Zaza in, but then also you ride and have translated a lot of Dogan. So, ooh I started to study. At the university okay. was I study talking for four years. And I am the Anti. Ice I decided not to study anymore. Really because since I was a high school student until I Finish University I thought Fata. idead these idead what leading unthinking. Yes, so. I studied the practice at. I wanted to. quit that life. Yes, so I! Put all my books in the closet. On I not to read books, except Shoghi Enzo on free to. Access. So, you go I. Imagine what's to encounter the thing you've been studying about. Yeah. Oh so I had some understanding of dog and teaching. Fire I was a university student. But. After I started to practice dot com. I. I wanted to do activity practice that teaching, and was coach Yama encouraging of this, or did he want you also studying dog? What what was? He starts about this? He didn't encourage me to study organ Nah I was happy. Yes yes, wonderful, so I actually. Sat quietly for ten years Fast five UN Anton. On next five years advise Endel in Massachusetts. Yes, so. eternity for ten years I. Try not to study. We. Were you successful? Yeah. The best time with my. One of and this is very interesting to me because how you came to America and came to be teaching You know Zen to Americans. How did that happen where? I do Jemele shoe. Has the advantage a? I think. Lady from Massachusetts Northampton. Massachusetts! Visited until she. And she asked Jim Rush to come to United States. But, because he's not heresy bustling, he couldn't so he's sent one his disciples. My Dad's brother, whose name was short, Caracal and so hugh and do math. Northampton Massachusetts, yes. Practice he's. Young American people then a house. and. He practiced theat four thinks. ABOUT THIRTY S And, he'd he'd done to Japan. So on those suburb people contain to practice by themselves, so Jim Generous asked US real. His describes to join them and I was one of them. before you know that was our seventies. Anki seventies there are many West people came to Kyoto. Do Practice thin. so-called hippies so-called here. So I'm I'm wandering. You know so when you know coach. Yama, he changed things from the way he learned from so ocoee Roshii in terms of the strictness. Of course he kept the Zaza practice is same, but chain strictness and I'm wondering when you came to America and started teaching. What did you change? What did you keep the same from what you've learned from your teacher? One thing we couldn't do it teaching. Yeah because we are not macho, enough. I was twenty six or seven. We studied English Iowa. We Japan, but our English, not good enough to to teach. That in English language barrier. Night and also we. We bought A. Five or six? It got around in the with -Chusetts sits yes on. We only had threes. We as as We have even outwear water. We beat it as endo and He made Vegetable Garden and we had a dog aware. So, we had to do. How do I? It's a shame. That was no empty temple like so ACURA. She came across. From this? So that was part of the. How do you bring that into the practice I imagined? The building of the the new center becomes pot of Zen practice. How does how does that happen? Walking. Community you are look somewhere. Is. Very important part of sodas and practice from the time of Dogan. As a hero I about the wildly as attends O or cook in his writings, so lacking, the is really important. Part of assault was in practice, saw a walking, sitting weather practice, and a, but as endo, and your emphasis was on sitting anyway, so that suited quite quite fine right. Yes, so I enjoyed being there, just sitting, just working. With leading. But at some point you started teaching right, so that's that's a problem. You know. Even though I wanted to teach. All translation. Yeah You know on the Transportation Dorgan's writing. Who has the Monkey? Concentrated by. The whole muscle. So we. Studied that take east and the family finished. The monkey. We couldn't find any English thickest. English translation of dog in writing. So. Because of necessity I trans- today did though gains for guns I think. Or in Nevada recommendation dozen. That was my fast translation work, and is that the Dogan's instructions on how to Sit Zan? Was that yes? Yes. So that was a very important textile, people to have given the practice. You, yes, Onda I made that transportation on this. Might transition at least for studied timer. That how we studied to. Teach out of necessity, yes. Wow. And then and then I'm so interested in how things vote in terms of the teaching when Zen came when you're started, teaching in America needs things you changed. Will you getting? Will you? You know asking the students to? See All day with seven hours sleep. Is that your? Did you follow the same schedule yeah? Anti you is that we had ten session. But that the end endo, he had that twitter processing. Every month. Wow, because we. We are young. At Untidy. We didn't have session in February and August. Okay, 'cause it's took off until hot. Yes, yes, but in New England. we had Heating System. So. We have no excuse to not to have this in February. And it's not too hot in. So again into have us. Say To? Say it gets quite cold, but if you had heating, no excuse. And then would you give lectures on Sundays every second? Sunday something like that. Lecture about we had A. Discussion. Group I I give presentation in the beginning, and about my translation of considering and. We have discussion whose participants and what is it like to translate Dorgan he? He's non for being very poetic very difficult to understand. What's what what is it like to translate into English I? Imagine a challenge, but I imagine it's very satisfying as well. It's not so satisfying. Finished translating one day I think. I. Have Grad. Joey happiness, but At the same time I have a sadness. Was that because I? Know something is missing. On something Adi's added. Yes, on, something is twisted yes. So I know the difference between dog ends and my transportation. So, there's northbound. Ourselves actually never finished never complete. Do you think that that's just the nature of translation that it's always will be like that I think so you know I. Think. A perfect translation is not possible. Yeah, and so do you think it's important to learn Japanese? If you WANNA, lead re- Dogan for that reason, or is it? Is it not necessary that? Is that the one best way over studying doggone duty to to study Japanese undead, his writings in Japanese. But maybe sick on the best way is to lead many different translations and and compare. What is it about Durga? That captures you the most. where he's teaching his betty deep. philsopher carry and yet he's expressed signs ability Dick. So profundity and on beauty overdone ways a boss there. It's amazing just to have depth to add beauty. That's A. Problem for me I can. I can translate the meaning. I cannot translate a beauty. And power there. He's language, is it? Is there a Is there a passage that comes to mind? That epitomizes this depth and beauty that you could chat with us. Nobody you know an Thia? And that Gengis Cohen I think is the like a one point. And and he expressed his very deep understanding inside. Dharma saw. Why did he? And yet they. As like that needs to be beautifully tonight A. Poem. And Ginger Cohen was written for a layperson right? Yes, and it was. The whole of show begins, oh was that it wasn't written for a Layperson, what was the audience? I think Is Looking for are a possum, but probe desktop shogun. Return Fall! He's About the thing with him at his Australia. Because at the end of each school of his eight I put it in this to the. They got it. So, how does it differ? How does the advice for a layperson differ? Deduct change the way he's you know. He presented the Dhamma for lay people. This is the monks in the Tampa. was there a special special message for lay people? I think so. Fast, he's a fast whereas you was infects Aena Kyoto. Walking distance from that. And I think A. he had many day visas to break this study with him. But after he moved to. To establish From a very not so many gay people could visit him. So, he focused on its gate. Monk Disciples, and he had some kind of some kind of. December put disappointment. Teach to teach debut in the in the city. How come maybe they? People had some ex- X petitions because in Buddhism. Old, ladies six. Hundred Years History in Japan. Japanese. Buddhist has some expectation about. Ditching? Foot fat dog brought. From. From China was something very new. Oh, and how how would that different the expectation versus what dug in broad I think i. Was? Young and he's established established. He's Fast Morrissey I. Think they'll get expect those expectation if he president if he presented Authentic Daraghmeh. PEOPLE WHO Accent and support he yep. But he I property I think he found. For hard they own deeds into separate Buddhism. And what was that? Do think though the ritual side of things so Yeah, detroiters. Dr Freya for safety and peace, and we'll being of them the roofs and oversaw the piece of the nations. And also by supporting famous with these moustache and beating big temple can be. Express young their social status got it and so Duggan's emphasis on Zan, and and just sitting didn't fit with that expectation. Put over pretty, and what about you? Have you come Have you come back to studying or your your still continuing your years of of more just practice and not not study. Where is so fast? INDIA'S AT ANTI GENDER WORRIES Endo I. Try not to study on just the practice, but after. Five years. Leaving the? Advise Endo. My Body became hospital. I had to pay on my neck SORTA, and it'll a knee. was that from building the building the center from older building hot work? I think from hard work now, so we didn't have money to. get treatment. So I had to go back to Japan Gordon and so I couldn't do how God anymore I. I went about the Japan new Lewis asked me to on translation. Who of his American decide Brew Now? He's a name. Was that light? He the call today Dr off some books. So I started to. Walk, on, transportation of, gem losses on Dorgan's likings wisdom right? And I found that to translate I had to understand. For, the I'm translating, so I had to set to study, but his on Dogan. Again! What was that like? I had no choice because quote because of my physical condition I. couldn't you know for how this works so hard for now I was in Massachusetts so I have to. I WANNA give up my idea and The creative. To practice using this. What he undermined in the best way. And that is, do study on. Translation on seat as much as much as I could yeah. I imagine just like you can use building to be part of the practice. You can use translation to be part of the practice. Because I couldn't use my body anymore I have. My brain mind yes yes. After that after the means from my Armie Thaddeus, undead, today's Oh. About forty US I have been studying. translating jam does is. It looks at Oregon. Dog into thinks and I started to like my own books gratuity, and then what? What brought you back to America from Japan? Oh, I stayed in Japan about. It ever not twitter. We ears. At that time You Know Katie Dining Dorsey was up. Founder of MINNESOTA The may stations and Pasta way in nineteen ninety. And they that then setup practice is t Jefferson I've. On because I met. Cutler. Practice in Japan for about the Mansour Soul Kogyo. She student ask me asked me to come to teach for three years as interim teacher that fi decided to come again to this country. And then, and now does your work look like now a day to day? You're teaching and translating after teaching in Minneapolis. I had to move to California. To Walk for the. International Center. Founded by Salt Bush you've. Worked there for five years. But I always want to have my own center or temporal. and. We decided to have temple in Brin Bloomington. Indiana can't after walking five as in California. Decide to move to Puerto Minton. To practice here Inas more poor people we. Might Translation while I'm teaching. Up Sutton in my state, so people can come there and study than design with you there is that possible? Yes, of course you have bowl. You have many books as well. People can connect with you trio. Many books yes, so Yeah, I have Eight many books on light severe books my own books. Through those books you know many people who decide to come to roaming doing don't study with me on some some people become my disciples. I think. More than twenty people become my preuss. Ow, and now we have by about. I'm making preparation for. Well you do in your retirement. I will be released. Be Released. Duty as about teachers. But priority. I continued to a seat. translate and teach as much. I John Our I want, but it's not not because Oh my responsibility. Yes, well it. That sounds like a very meaningful life in it. It sounds like the kind of life you imagined when you first picked up the book self when you a six game. Yeah, I think so. I'm very happy that I did that book on. I decided to become you Chamula, she's. Disciple grew. And continued to practice almost fifty years. Wow, amazing well! I'm very happy that you agreed to come on the wisdom podcast and share your story with us. It's an amazing story and thank you so much for your time. Thank you very much.

Japan Zan Yama Dorgan Dogan America CEO and publisher Tokyo Kyoto Massachusetts Soto Salt Bush Osaka soccer twitter INDIA re- Dogan Shawki Mirror Roshii Japanese Russia Kush Chioma
The Bettors Box MLB Betting Podcast May 2, 2019

Sports Gambling Radio - By BangTheBook

36:41 min | 1 year ago

The Bettors Box MLB Betting Podcast May 2, 2019

"Now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with the dominion energy reliability investment. Our new investment product offers competitive returns, no maintenance fees and flexible online access to your money. Make the reliable investment in reliable energy, the dominion energy reliability investment to find out more. Go online to reliability investment dot com. That's reliability investment dot com. Well, let's get everybody. Thank you for joining me in the betters. Fox's bang book. Dotcom. MLB betting podcast for Thursday may second. I'm your host, Adam Burke this and every issue the better as FOX presented by our friends over at DSL sportsbook BTV, the number two hundred is that promo code one hundred percent deposit mitzvahs for the sports book. One hundred percent deposit match bonus for the live casino at bet. The sl. It's only a game on till you bet it Monday Thursday format here with the vendors box as you know, coming up after the weekend. We'll have another edition of the Monday mailbag at skating tripods on Twitter or Adam at bang book dotcom via Email if you want to send in your questions for that. Also, Adam Abang book dotcom via Email if excuse me if you wanna sign up for the notes for the additions of the betters box my policies here. Big the change of seasons. And some of the allergies stuff. It's out there kind of throwing me off a little bit today. But any get out my daily picks and tips every day over at. Book dot com also are NBA series previews and game write ups for the NBA playoffs program. Michael still doing fine work in the NHL with the second round of the NHL playoffs. We've got a write up for the Kentucky oaks for the Kentucky Derby record Kentucky, Derby podcast yesterday with Brian blessing. Make sure you check Dow is a very very good segment. One of the best. I think we've ever done here on bankable radio sense. Definitely worth your time. Then tomorrow, we'll have a UFC preview for this weekend with Christian peanut record that here this afternoon. Are we'll go through today's show with our format beyond the box score then down. No pick for tonight with only two night games that like anything either one of those. Then it looked here at the weekend ahead. So it's going to look beyond the box score. And let's take a look at this. Boston Red Sox sweep of the Oakland Athletics. And Oakland's just in a complete tailspin right now and away from home in particular. They have been awful. They're pitchers are four and eleven on the road. They five eighty four ERA. They've also given up eight honored runs that art listed in those ERA calculations and also here authencity for them to old five average to ninety eight on base three. Oh, five slugging percentage over the last fourteen games. They've only hit seven home runs. It has been an absolute mess for Oakland. A lot of people did think this team was something of a regression candidate coming into the season, my favorite season win total over, of course, is on the Oakland A's. So hopefully, they get this thing figured out. But for right now. You know, their lack of starting pitching really crushing them on the road. And the fact that their offense is going in the tank, it just doesn't really help either. They've had some bullpen blow ups weight training had one in that series against Toronto Joakim story has been awful and the as really dedicated a big portion of their off-season resources. Suwalki him seora has not worked out for them. At all. Are they do have a lot of help coming from down below in the minor leagues as guys get healthier? But for right now, the guys on that twenty five man roster need to figure it out, and they are having some difficulties with that should get mad Olsen back here. Very soon. I after a broken hamate bone sideline him, but still Oakland. It's got a lot of soul-searching to do here. All with a long trip back home coming up here after this weekend series against the Pittsburgh Pirates. As far as Oakland goes or excuse me. I Boston goes what scored twenty one runs in this in these three games. But I still think there's a lot of room left for this offense to get better. They only had five doubles. And four home runs in this series. They're not getting extra base hits. They're cashing in on their opportunities when they do get those chances with Reuters and smirk position, but they're not hitting for any kind of slugging percentage this season. It's very surprising to me. I know the weather in Boston has not been good I presume that they will get better as it warms up a little bit. But this is a team that doesn't really do damage with extra base hits. It's a big reason why they haven't gotten off to the start that they wanted to a big reason why they're lacking in high velocity contact. So even though they scored seven runs per game in this series. Even though it looks like the breakout is here. I don't necessarily think that it is because they're still not doing a whole lot in terms of extra-base hits that we would certainly expect that from a lineup like the Boston Red Sox. The Braves took two of the first three from the Padres game four and that series going on as I'm recording here. And once again the song remains the same for the Padres. Do they had three solo home runs off Julio Tehran? They hit a solo. Shot off max freed they had a grounded. Double play runs scored in the first game their offense against right handed pitching has not performed well and really overall on the season here, they're not constructing a lot of run scoring opportunities. They've hit twenty eight solo home runs. They have sixteen homers with men on base, but fourteen of those with only one runner on so only to run homes. The Padres have your the lowest number plate appearances with a runner and scoring position this season. This is just not a very good offensive team in the first three games of this series. One for fifteen with a runner in scoring position. The Braves on the other hand with twenty seven chances with a runner and square position in the first three games. But they only had four hits there's been a very low scoring series ear. The Padres are doing a very good job of stranding runners on the pitching side on the offense of side. They're not creating enough opportunities. And it really makes me wonder about them long term here as the league gets more of a look at Nick. Vicious at Chris paddick at Cal Cointreau who made his major league debut in this series. I worry about the long term viability of the Padres with the oil. Oh, a very anemic offense. And they really opportunistic pitching staff. I think yes, they haven't given up a lot of hits other outfield. Defense is not very good their infield defense. It's very strong. So at least that's helped them, but as more balls certifying holes as these pitchers have some control hiccups stuff. Like that the Padres offense is probably not going to be able to out hit those mistakes. So I'd be very very wary of the Padres here going forward. Obviously their bullpen is very very strong. But from a full game standpoint Sydney ego, does worry me here as some of their pitchers get exposed a little bit to the major leagues more as they face lineups for second time things of that sort even a third time in some instances the Padres. Do concern me long-term here in the National League West. So we'll see how that plays out for them. We'll have today's game winds up finishing up for them. But a lot of concerns about this offense and about what happens as this pitching staff starts to regress. Speaking of regret. Let's talk about that here for the remainder of the beyond the box score segment. Let's get some regression candidates are in the starting pitching department early on this season based on some of the metrics that are out there. And or a couple of things I want to get want our listeners to keep in mind here left on base percentage and batting average on balls in play. These are two statistics that never reach a stabilization point at least not with any sample size that pitchers capable of reaching over the course of one season. So one of the reasons why we key in I left on base percentage and Bab batting average on balls and play is because they those statistics are very much subject to variance a lot of statistics are, but they do reach stabilization points over the course of the season left on base percentage and Bob never really do. So that's why those are two metrics that we key in on looking for pitchers to get better or for pitchers to get worse. So as we look at the left on base percentage department here. Let's this list of names with the highest left on base percentage. Marks of qualified starting pitchers here. So far hunt. Jin Ryu ninety three point two percent left on base percentage. Justin, Verlander ninety three percent Tyler glass now ninety point six Lewis, castio ninety point three Caleb. Smith ninety point to Zach Davies eighty seven point four max, freed eighty six point eight Merrill, Kelly eighty five point nine Jack flared e eighty five point six Jose, burritos eighty five point four now you will have some outliers last year Blake Snell up in the eight percent range. You will have some outliers, but you're not going to have this many guys north of eighty five percent. So I would definitely look for regression in the near term four these pitchers now some of these guys do have high home run numbers. Some of these guys do have high strikeout numbers that does allow you to carry a higher left on base percentage. Because strikeouts obviously end innings without ball. And play and home runs clear off the basis so guy like Justin Verlander, for example, high home run rate high strikeout rate, he's probably going to stay up there in the eighty eight to ninety eight to ninety percent range for quite some time. Some of these other guys that probably won't be the case, especially somebody like Zach Davies who doesn't have the strikeouts doesn't allow a lot of home runs. He's a cut regression kid at in the near future seemed thing for Jin Ryu same thing. I think for guy like Caleb Smith same thing for guy like Merrill, Kelly. So these are all guys that I will probably look to fade, whether it's a total standpoint or money line standpoint here in the very near future. Also, a lot of these guys running low batting average on balls in play marks Jack Jack Flaherty, for example, at three thirteen is not. So that's also an important that you want to keep in mind as Babs regress as they coat. Come back down or go back up. It generally has an. Impact on left on base percentage as well. Usually as the babba progresses. The left on base percentage will go down because you're going to see a lot more guys on base a lot more of those guys are going to wind up scoring stuff. Like that. So keeping up for that. With those ten guys here who are really over achieving in the left on base percentage department. Ten guys who are not Jameson Thanh. Fifty two point one percent. Matt Harvey fifty six point four Noah Syndergaard, fifty six point eight Yvonne. Nova fifty seven point six Kevin Gosper and sixty Garrett Cole sixty point one Pablo. Lopez for the Marlins sixty point to Madison Bumgarner sixty point five use Sekiguchi sixty one point one Jordan Zimmermann sixty one point four Colin McEwan, sixty three point three Carlos road on sixty three point nine Mike fire. Sixty four point one, sandy all Tara, sixty four point nine get some of these guys with higher home run numbers. You would think they're left on base. Percentage would be a little bit better. But they're still not stranding runners still some higher batting averages on balls in play book when you've got anybody below sixty percent that's going to come up. So Todd Harvey Thor and Evonne Nova our guys that should definitely be on the rise sooner rather than later. Same thing for Garrett Cole and Colin Mckee was well just because the number of strikeouts. That they have a couple of Marlins on the list here where eventually Marlins park will help them and eventually the defense should get a little bit better there for Miami. But again, the expectation of positive or negative aggression is what we're looking at here. When you've got this many guys below sixty five percent, all of these guys should be on the rise. I last year the lowest qualified guy was sixty four and a half percent or something like that. So a lot of these guys should be on the rise, very very soon, and again left on base percents a statistic that never stabilizes. So it's open to a lot of variants open to a lot of movement. The a lot of these guys have. Especially the strikeout guys should be on the rise pretty quickly here. Bumgarner guy, I'm keyed in on Thanh. Syndergaard coal McHugh. These are guys that should definitely get better as the season goes on on probably in the nearer term as for some of these guys. It will take some time because they're just not very good pitchers or there's something else in their profile that's leading to a low left on base percentage. But getting to roll through these two lists again on the high side guys, you probably wanna look to fade here to a certain degree reu- ver- Lander glass now Casteel Caleb Smith Davies, freed Merrill, Kelly, Jack Flaherty and then burritos tie on Harvey Thor Nova Gausman coal Pablo Lopez. Bumgarner Kukuchi Zimmerman McHugh Rodion fires Elkin. Tara the first half of that list. Guys would expect to start giving up some more. Runs and stranding fewer runners the second half of that list. Guys, you expect to be doing better and stranding more runners so on those same lines. Let's look at the biggest ERA and fifth discrepancies here again fifth fielder. Independent pitching strikeouts walks hit by pitches and home runs ERA. Of course. Subject to how defenses play where batted balls are hit stuff like that the biggest ERA in fifth discrepancy. So this is high ERA low fifth Nova a three point three run difference between the two Syndergaard two point six five Lynn, one point nine nine shirts or one point nine three Reynaldo. Lopez one point seven nine row, Don one point six seven. We learn one point four eight Lucchessi one point three seven Harvey one point two seven. So these are all guys that we would expect some positive regression from four one reason or another because they've got those higher ER as and those. Lower Phipps now guys with low ER as and higher Phipps Zach Davies two point five four runs difference between his fifth and his ERA. The biggest in baseball. He is a very clear regression kit at here in the near future. Aaron Sanchez two point one to you Darvish one point five. Eight least Casteel guy looking to fade one point three four Merrill, Kelly one point two nine Burland or one point two eight freed one point two seven gray one point two zero. That's John gray, some Marga one point one eight and then Wainwright one point one seven. So that list of guys all guys, I would expect some negative regression from here in the very near future that top list of guys some positive aggression coming for them yet. Adam at banged the book dot com to get the notes for the better boxer. They probably a good idea for you. With these lists also some big Sierra discrepancies. Skill interactive ERA takes into account batted ball types, more signs here for Zach Davies to be a Russian cabinet with a five twenty eighth Sierra Aaron Sanchez five forty five Sierra Lewis Casio three sixty five Sierra Merrill, Kelly four seventy five some Arja four eighty two. So again, as we get increased sample sizes here a lot of things can happen in a small sample size as we get bigger. Sample sizes guys do regress to their Phipps to their extracts to their Sierras left on base percentages regress. Babs regress all that type of all of this information available over at fan graphs for you to look at the player pages. Sort by the column headings, you'll be able to find some of these guys as well. And we also should start to see a lot of line boobs on guys like this moving on the guys line for positive aggression moving against the guys in line for negative progression. And against Sierra, not a stand. I've talked about a lot. Maybe when I should with the home run. Rate's going around major league baseball this year. But Sierra is traditionally thought to be the best predictor of future ERA. So you see a guy like Zach Davies ERA in the high ones and a Sierra twenty eight very progression. Candidate there to say, the least now a lot of models are using exe. Woah, expected weighted on base average symmetric you can find over at stat cast. So I wanna touch on this real quickly with some big gaps between wooo actual weighted on base average and ex wilda expected weighted on base average. Here's some pretty interesting guys here. Chad beddis with a four forty six. Woah, a three fifty x wilda Corbett burns five twenty nine mobile four forty six x Huelva Noah Syndergaard who has come up a lot here. Three fifty five over two eighty three x Huelva Carlos Carrasco three sixty three wool, but three oh nine x Huelva. You've got Freddie, Peralta three seventy five Wilga. Three twenty two Xibalba rain on Lopez. Three ninety Wilbur three thirty eight x wilda like Snell three oh, seven and two. Fifty five Tyler Anderson four sixty seven and four seventeen Dylan Bundy three ninety seven and three fifty four Masahiro Tanaka three thirty nine to ninety six so beddis burns. Syndergaard. Carrasco peralta. Lopez snow Anderson Bundy and Tanaka guys I would look for some line moves on here with the wool and ex wilda discrepancies. Obviously Anderson with an extra four seventeen the implication is that he still won't be very good. Same thing with Corbin burns Simpson with Chad bettas at three fifty but Syndergaard Karastin Snell Tanaka all guys in line for some positive aggression here. At least according to the stat cast metrics based on their batted ball data. Now the list of guys with lower wool buzz and hire ex wilko's these are fade candidates. These are guys that we would expect to see some less favourable results on batted balls from them Felix pain, a three Twenty-one wool before. Oh, seven ex-wba Yanni Torino's the bulk reliever for the raise to thirty eight but three twenty two x Huelva for him Aaron Sanchez to ninety two will but three seventy four x twelve a seeing a big wide move against Aaron Sanchez tonight in that Jay's versus angels game getting models incorporating ex-wba into their spreadsheets. So we will see money coming in against the guys on this list. And I'm talking about here. So far Felix pain Yanni Torino Aaron Sanchez, Shane Bieber to sixty nine wool, but three forty seven x Huelva John Lester, one of these times this dude gonna suck to forty one wall. But three twenty nine next Wilbur, bingo, her to twenty four Wilbur to ninety one extra Chris panic one. Eighty six well, but to fifty three Xibalba Homer Bailey to ninety eight all but three sixty five actual and brand Keller three oh nine we'll, but three seventy extra money came in against Brad Keller in that start against the RAZ earlier on this week. Awesome. Other guys keep on your radar Trevor Bauer Tyson Ross Jeff's Amarger Kyle Freeland getting this is very easy to go. Look these things up over on baseball savant. I've got that YouTube video showing you how to use baseball savant. But it does seem to me like the line moves are no longer going to come from ERA and fifth and exa at least not to the same degree that they have in the past. It'll be more about this stat cast data and Infratest your ex wilda. So again, guys like Aaron Sanchez is being better against tonight. Guys, like Shane Bieber who gets the start tomorrow night for the Indians guys like John Lester guys, like a Brad Keller money will come in against a lot of these guys here. John lesser as well as we go forward. So ex-wba. Probably a metric that you want to familiarize yourself with because a lot of models. A lot of people that move. These lies are using that in their spreadsheets in their calculations. So you probably want to look to keep that in mind. And if somebody that I should look to keep in mind a little bit more here as well. Yeah. Adam at banged the book dot com to get these lists of names on I'll be talking about these guys in my picks article probably pretty regularly here as we go forward. I roll through the exit velocity update real quickly here. Batting average on ninety five plus mph balls in play did drop five points league wide down to five twenty five the top five Diamondbacks at six oh seven, but they're down twenty three points this week down forty over the last two weeks and fifty four points over the last three weeks that Diamondbacks offense is regressing as we all expected. The Mariners down to five ninety two they're down twenty nine points. The last two weeks forty nine points the last three weeks and they're pitching staff starting to give up a lot. More runs. Now, they're the worst defensive team in major league baseball. The Mariners are probably a fade team here for the next little while with that offensive aggression with such a bad defensive team. And also with some pitchers that, you know, obviously kind of walk a fine line. We saw that with Marco Gonzales yesterday. Mike leake got blown up last week Felix Hernandez, obviously kind of on borrowed time. The Mariners probably fade team overall. We'll probably see that in the betting market with people who are to go against Seattle. The Yankees up to five seventy six and six point increase from last week Braves down to five seventy two they dropped nine points. How about the Baltimore Orioles? Biggest good contact on. High velocity batted balls at five sixty five putting out what's very important to point out here. The top five teams the only teams that are forty points higher than the league average. And as we're seeing the top two teams Diamondbacks in the Mariners consistently regressing towards that league. Verage? So again, if nothing else this shows, you you know, what sample size means in terms of bringing those outliers down or raising some of those outliers up. So this is a very good indication of what that regression analysis silent. Handicapping should look like off everything goes, according to plan the bottom here the giants at four fifty seven down two points Red Sox up six to four seventy six again. I think better days are coming for this Red Sox. Offense Marlins at four eighty six. They're up eleven points this week and up thirty six points over the last two weeks the Mets up eleven points to four eighty seven host the Detroit Tigers on high-velocity contact up nineteen points this week to four eighty nine up sixty five points the last two weeks up ninety six points the last three weeks. So that Tigers offense getting up to a level of respectability here as we get some increased sample sizes the wooo weighted on base. Average on ninety five plus mph batted balls six six six this week down one point from last week. The Mariners still lead at eight fourteen but they're down thirty two points from last week down sixty eight points over the last three weeks and again, the Mariners have to outscore teams. So as their offense is regressing. They become a more difficult team to bet on I they are a fade team here. At least in the short term Diamondbacks down to seven Ninety-one. That's a thirty one point decrease from last week down ninety eight points from the last three weeks. So they're coming back to earth in rapid fashion twins down four points to seven thirty the Braves and the Rangers sneak into the top five at seven nineteen and seven eighteen respectively. The cardinals fell from fourth to eleventh they had one big week with a huge increase. Now they've fallen down pretty significantly the bottom teams here. The giants five sixty two. They're actually down eleven points Marlins down two points to five sixty two Red Sox up. Four to five seventy nine Tigers up eighteen to five eighty two. They're up a hundred thirteen points in weighted on base average on high velocity contact here over the last three weeks so very impressive for the Tigers here offense over the last few weeks and the Indians up seventeen points to five ninety six degrees of regression. The giants offense sucks. The Marlins offense sucks. The Tigers offense is probably peaking right now. The Red Sox should get better. I don't know if the Indians will get better, but the Red Sox again, lots of these signs of positive aggression offensively for them. As we go forward. Are we going down the line segment here? Take a look at line moves dating back to Monday for when I was last on the air. So Michael walk of money for the cardinals against the nationals. Here this week very steady nationals fade this week probably without Anthony reknown in this lineup. We saw the same thing with the pirates with sterling Martinez absence. I got something that's very important to point out is. Gonna talk about this before the modeling crowd runs. The baseball betting market when you take these important ofensive resources out of the lineup, and it changes those modeling projections. We will see line moves. That's something. I picked up on a lot more here this year than I've seen in past years where when lawyers are out of the lineup. We're seeing substantial line moves on those teams the oddsmakers have not been prepared to make those adjustments for offense players a lot of oddsmakers and a lot of people still looking at the pitching side of things more than anything. But we're seeing big phase of the nationals without rundown on the big phase of the pirates without sterling Marty. Keep an eye out for this because it does appear that these position players are not being accurately priced into those betting markets. So Mike sirocco money come in for the Braves that was against the Padres. Not a big surprise. There's the Padres have been such a good fade for the first five and anytime, they take on a right? Worth anything? They've had a lot of struggles. Here this year Christian yelich out of the lineup on Monday for the brewers. We saw that line move down with Kyle Freeland on the mound in his return from a blood blister. He gave up four runs in the first inning wound up pitching, okay? After that. But Zac Davies and other lucky winner there in that one for the burgers that Dave is a big time fade guy at this point in time. I looked at him on day didn't work out the Rockies didn't do much damage and free Linden pitch. Well, but I'll look to fade Daime here this weekend for sure also somebody come in against Brad Keller and the royals on Monday. That was the Tampa Bay rays again, these X. Woah, buffets. I think are going to be a common theme as we go forward. Here saw one on Monday with Davies Saul one on Monday with Keller Saul one on Tuesday was Louis castio those against the New York Mets. These are things that you definitely want to look for here. Trying to get out in front of the betting market. Somebody come in against the nationals again on Tuesday as I mentioned without in. Lineup. Saw some soft fate of Walker. Bueller in the dodgers. Maybe that was just too big of a price. Then we saw some buyback on dealer. The dodgers that was against drew Pomeranz and the giants money once again on Garrett. Cole Garrett Cole again, very low left on base percentage. Money will keep coming in on him. As we go forward. Also on Tuesday. We saw Cole hamels fade. That was the Mariners feel expand. As the bullpen blew that one for the Mariners. We were on that game on Tuesday night Wednesday big fate of max sherzer once again reknown on the lineup. Trae Turner, still out of the lineup as well for the nationals so money coming in against Washington with regularity that was actually miles Miklas in that serve for the cardinals who has not pitched well at all this season. But money did come in on him so money come in on Jacob degrom on Wednesday. He talked about a mechanical fix that. He was working on seemed to work for him. I talked a lot about him in yesterday's article. And he wanted to pitching very very very well again. That impotent reds offense. But for the Graham here seems like he's probably okay regularly scheduled fate on Wednesday of Shelby Miller that was with the pirates showing there's been betting against in all of his starts this year. I don't think that trend stops anytime soon Also Wednesday. We saw big fate of Corey kluber who left the game with a fractured. Arm wasn't pitching. All that. Well before the injury the Indians really up against it. Now, of course with kluber and Mike Clements are out and cleverer despite playing catch on the sixty a sixty day disabled list, he cannot come back until June fourth at the earliest so the Indians down to sixty percent of their rotation for the entire month of may. Thursday was some pretty heavy Red Sox money hit the board. That's David price going up against the White Sox and Lucas g Alito. Again, this Red Sox offense at some point is going to really break out in dramatic fashion. I the market is kind of picked up on that. Hence that move here today to put them as more than a two dollar road favorite money on Tyler Skaggs. And the angels. That's against the Blue Jays. Getting that's a fade of Aaron Sanchez there in that one x well, but definitely something you want to keep in mind. It's over a baseball savant. It's pretty easy to find. Again. You wanna familiarize yourself with these things if you want to try to get out there in front of the betting markets and get some of that closing line value aren't so single look at the weekend ahead. Get a preview five series for you to wrap up this edition of the better FOX cardinals and cubs usually I wait until the end with the Sunday night baseball ups, but this one's really intriguing to me. Jack Flaherty Kyle Hendricks on Friday. Michael Walker you Dr. On Saturday and Wainwright Jose cantata on Sunday night baseball. The cardinals are owning right handed pitching right now. They're absolutely crushing right handed pitching. They get a left in Catan on Sunday who's pissed very very well. So I think you may what back the cubs on Sunday. Do the cardinals a little bit on Friday and Saturday here, but shaky bullpens both ways in this. I think the cardinals do have some aggression signs in their bullpen. The cubs. Bullpen has not been particularly good. Steve sick got that save in that we're on the Mariners on Tuesday night. But a lot of middle middle stuff. Did he got away for got away with a very worried about this cubs bullpen, still interesting note, the cardinals are five and twelve in their last seventeen games immediately following a series against the cubs? They play the Phillies on Monday. I couldn't find this set. I think it's five and twelve at maybe four and thirteen in their last seventeen. I was trying to find it this morning. Couldn't find it. Either way the kernels are very very bad after they play the cubs kinda one of those arts nemesis types of things. One of the reasons why we faded Houston on Monday night with their road game against the twins the cartels get the Phillies on Monday. So I'll probably look to back the Phillies at least for the first five on Monday. Looking to play this angle. It's as close as we get to situational spots in major league baseball. I think we have one here with the cardinals coming up on Monday night, aren't so the mariner. Thank you could cheat. Shane Bieber on Friday coochie coming off a one inning start. The Mariners are doing this sporadically throughout the season to kind of lighten his workload a little bit. We'll see what happens with him coochie is a guy that I've been trying to fade in Rhode spots. Because every time he goes to a new ballpark. It's an unfamiliar setting for him. You it's already a lot coming over from Japan getting acclimated to, you know, United States, culture and all that. And then every time he goes. To a new ballpark. It's a new mound. It's a new setting a new backdrop, it's a new situation. I it's very tough for him. Probably like the play the over on Friday weather permitting, of course, with a lot of rain, and we'll see some wind in the forecast here in Cleveland this weekend, but bieber's regression guy even though that mirrors offense is coming back to earth. Some Kukuchi worry about him on the road. Probably looking to play the over there on Friday night. We'll see what that line looks like. And what the weather looks like as well. Mike Lee Carlos Carrasco on Saturday caress co improving leak not so much that Erik Swanson and Trevor Bauer on Sunday Swanson's shut Indians down in his MLB starting debut Bauer little bit off here lately. Whether it's been the walks or it's been the command something's been awful little bit. He was very upset about his start on Tuesday. We'll see how he rebounds on Sunday. The three remaining Indians hurting pitchers go in this series here. So the things I've talked about coming to. Wish in here in this series. Hopefully with Bieber over regression candidate leak getting pummeled lately, I think carafe was a good line there on Saturday night. We'll be Chaki, right? Do you think that excuse me Saturday afternoon? I didn't think craft was a good bet there Saturday afternoon on the Mariners shaky bullpen bad team defense be an interesting series here in Cleveland to say, the least how about the royals and the Tigers couple teams. I haven't talked about too much here on the show. Publa- Lopez it Matt Boyd on Friday Homer Bailey Tyson. Ross Saturday Brad Keller Spencer turn bowl on Sunday. Tigers offense is improving. I think tiger series prices worth a look here this weekend. The royals don't have very good offense. I guess sweep is possible here for the Tigers. If Brad Keller's regression does show up on Sunday, but I do like the the under a little bit here in this series. Royals, the good outfield defense big ballpark gin. Attention, the weather factors could be wind here in this series. But I don't think. These three games could be relatively low scoring although Tyson Ross is a guy with some ex Wilga regression coming. So maybe Saturday you kind of back off that a little bit with Homer Bailey. But I think Friday and Sunday could be pretty decent under opportunities for us in those two games. Dodgers and Padres here. Clayton Kershaw Matt or Matt Lauer Eric lower on Friday Richhill Joey Lucchessi on Saturday, Kenton Majeida, Nick, Margaret vicious on Sunday. Three more lefties coming at the dodgers here. They've been seeing a bunch of them lately. And they haven't done particularly well in that split Padres. Widsom I five scoring issues. Very homerun dependent as I mentioned before hilas and allow a lot of home runs made it doesn't allow a lot of home runs. Who knows what we get from Clayton Kershaw, but interesting and a west series. There is the Padres finally make their way back home. Finally, the Astros and the angels. This one is in Monterrey Mexico off day Friday, very very weird then Saturday and Sunday they'll play. Two games down south of the border Miley. And k hill is the match up on Saturday to ground ball guys here in the altitude of Monterrey, Mexico that could help both of them may we'll get an under on Saturday, depending on what that total looks like then Justin Verlander Matt Harvey couple of fly ball guys in altitude on Sunday, but Berliner going up against a very right handed. Heavy angels lineup should benefit him a little bit. Again is games in Mexico. Very interesting for a variety of different reasons. We'll see what that total looks like on Saturday may end up with an under ticket in that Miley in Kahlil start as I mentioned, we'll do you have see on Friday with Christian Pena. If you missed the Kentucky, Derby podcast with Brian blessing. I highly encourage you to check that out. Also, check out my write ups for the oaks and the derby over the book dot com, we got a lot of great stuff going on over there for me. They can still roasting everybody. And remember that you'll never strike out. When you're in the betters box. Now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with the dominion energy reliability investment. Our new investment product offers competitive returns, no maintenance fees and flexible online access to your money. Make the reliable investment in reliable energy, the dominion energy reliability investment to find out more. Go online to reliability investment dot com. That's reliability investment dot com. Lows knows. You're the Gardner who does it right to grow the most beautiful flowers on the block. We do it right to with everyday deal. So you don't have to dig into your savings. Shop today by one select one gallon, knockout rose and get one free and at instant colored feds in pots with a twelve pack of annuals now to for sixteen dollars. Get your spring garden growing today. Do it right for less. Start with Lowe's. Offers valid through five eight selection varies by location. See store for details. US only excludes Alaska and Hawaii.

Padres Boston Red Sox Mariners baseball cardinals Aaron Sanchez Casteel Caleb Smith Davies Tigers Brad Keller Marlins Braves Oakland giants Shane Bieber Adam Sierra Merrill Michael Walker Zach Davies Boston cubs
Going Greek With Pitino and Meals From the NFL Combine in Indy With John Gonzalez and Robert Mays | House of Carbs

House of Carbs

56:01 min | 1 year ago

Going Greek With Pitino and Meals From the NFL Combine in Indy With John Gonzalez and Robert Mays | House of Carbs

"Hey, it's less Kelly. Welcome to the ringer podcast network with the bachelor wrapping up be sure to check out the bachelor party podcast when Juliet Littman for all your news and coverage as well. As interviews with former contestants producers and personalities from bachelor nation also with opening day, right around the corner. The MLB show podcast is back covering Bryce Harper and Manny Machado is recent signings and much more. You can subscribe to both on apple Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts and make sure to follow her NFL team for full coverage of the NFL combine pre-draft analysis on the ringer dot com. All right. All right. All right. My hungry Hamis, my taste buds, my dairy. Brad. We've done it. Where back. Welcome to another episode delicious episode if I may have house calls the food podcasts or the hungry people by the hungry people. I am as always you're hungry host Joe house, my taste buds. What a fun show today. It is it rare occasion that we have our own in house ringer food correspondents out in about all over not just this great country bars. But traveling the world, we have John Gonzales who is in Greece recently interviewing Rick Pitino and the eight for a solid week in Greece. Both in restaurants, and it got some home cooking. And I know you're going to enjoy hearing about that. And then Robert Mays our NFL expert down at the were down. I shouldn't say down in Indianapolis is in the northern part. Of of these United States. He was in the Indianapolis covering the NFL combine along with Dante Kelly, and he he had some outstanding any experience in Indianapolis. He's talked to us about the best thing that he ate this week. Let's get that belly with the, homey. John's alice. Tastebuds. We only have a few rules here at house of cards. One of those rules is when our own in house, hungry homeys, go abroad, go visit exotic and exciting places outside of these United States. We want to check in with those culinary comrades of ours and get some feedback on their experience. Now, the gentlemen, we have lined up here. He's a staff writer at the ringer. He's the host of the ringer NBA podcast heat check on which he often tries to bait me into saying bad things about the Washington Wizards, and it doesn't take much. He just published last week. Honestly, his I'm going to call it his magnum opus. I mean, he may argue with that's fine. The story was the exile of Rick Pitino. John gonzalez. Welcome to house. Oh cau-. House that was to kind of you and the first ever eat check house of cards crossover. You've been on my many fine. I'm delighted honored to be on your well. We we've compared notes you're you're originally from Philadelphia I've spent enough time in Philadelphia to be well versed in the Philly cuisine. So we've done some comparative notes, but that's all been behind the scenes, and I'm very happy to report all of our taste buds out there you, and I have actually dying together we had a great meal here in Washington DC at the unconventional diner. Where I did my best to order the entire menu. And you were very indulgent you sat along with me. And and dabbled try to few things along the way there. It was delightful. That was breaking bread with. You was a seminal experience. I've I've heard tell of you eating before I had never witnessed it in person. And you lived up to your reputation, buddy. Like that was that was quite a feast we had. I I can I can confess I was hungry that night. I was definitely hungry that evening. So speaking of hungry. Let's talk a little bit about this story. So you chase down. Rick pitino. You had to go halfway across the world to find him. He happens to be living in and coaching in Greece. And I'm gonna let us sort of take it from there. Yeah. Worked out pretty well. For me in that. Greece is a place that sort of near and dear to my heart in that. I've been there several times with a friend of mine why affectionately call Dave degreed, the appears in the story. And yeah, yeah. You would love him actually for a lot of different reasons. That's the least of which is he also likes to eat. And we did quite a bit of it. And the great part about it was you know, we have friends over there. But he also has family over there. So in addition to eating at a full of Athens finest restaurants, we also got quite a few home cooked meals from Dave family. So it was it was the best of both worlds. Oh, I didn't know that's that's a bonus feature to this. So not only are we going to be able to cover some of the meals you had at various of the legendary Greek spots, but you also had some home cooked food that will get to get a little a little flavor for here on our our conversation. Now, the point of your story was to spend some time with Rick Pitino and just sort of you know, document the curious tale that led to him. Coaching in Greece. But the story was so much more than that talk a little bit about well in the first place. I I need to pass along kudos and congratulations. Because am I right that you were able to go to Greece in the middle of January or was it early February? Yeah. Yeah. It was early to mid February. I was over there for about a week. Yeah. So well done right, leaving the United States when his dead winter here, even though LA is, you know, still, you know, in the fifties and sixties and heading over to Greece. How how is the weather in Greece? When you arrived. Lord ally was you know, like high fifties low sixties kinda gray and overcast. But otherwise, the light it was I'd never been to Greece in winter. Most of the time I've been over. There was in the summer when it's always warm and delightful, so it was a little bit different. But yeah, it worked out it worked out great 'cause you know, Rick's over there. And I got the sense that, you know, he's constantly surrounded by people, and he's going out, and he likes to go out and have dinner and drinks. And we did that with him quite a bit. But despite the fact that he's constantly surrounded by people got the sense that he's, you know, a little lonely, and he opened up about all that. And we broke bread and talked about everything so let let's begin with your culinary experience from from the time line implied by the story. The first time you sat down and ate with Rick was at a restaurant called Gora is that right? That's correct. Yeah. And and and for the all our taste buds out there. Give a description of what a Gora is all about. So I would say like in terms of like the kinds of food. We I love Greek food, generally when I travel abroad, I wanna eat as you know, like the local vit, it doesn't need to be fancier fussy. I just want to get into whatever local cuisine is common. So I'm a big Greek to fan, you know, like, the traditional groups to earn his this was more of a high end restaurant. He hadn't he he really likes Mielke. I had a delightful whole fish with some with some greens. Dave how it might have been pasta. But it was like a higher and rush on. So it would have been you could find this kind of restaurant pretty much in any country, anywhere. Like, you know, like sort of cosmopolitan menu game at from fish. Yeah. Iranian flavor that Mediterranean flair. Yeah. Little west. So that done like across the board. You got the spectrum of, you know, pasta fish me, you know, like you can pretty much find anything either. There aren't a ton of restaurants. If you went to a traditional Greek restaurant where you're gonna find yoki on the menu, but he likes yoki, and we had Yuki multiple vehicles. And it was good. I mean, like we had some we had some some classic Greek dishes throughout our time there, but that first launch was sort of just like something that you could find a lot of places, you know, how hard to believe that Rick Pitino loves gnocchi. And and, you know, put put himself to the task of finding where he could get, you know, a a well delivered version of that in Greece. So so talk a little bit about it seems like from from the way the story goes down. You shared quite a few meals with Rick, and you know, it was. Over the breaking of bread that you got the real feel for how he's living his life there right now in kind of wear his head is at talk a little bit about you know, how that that sort of the the natural comfort that comes from sitting at a table with somebody having a meal and letting them sort of breakdown whatever barriers they might naturally have up let their guard down a little bit. Because you I can attest are a good dinner companion gonzo talk a little bit about those those chats with with with coach. And and you know, how those that the sort of general sense of that the vibe of those meals back at urine excellent dinner companion. There's all but you're right. I think like when you sit down to dinner with somebody. It's like relaxes you a little bit or lunch. Even I mean that I watched that we had when like in as an icebreaker was great. He opened up immediately. He's a really easy to talk to you. And I think that. There is. A component that like puts everybody at knees when you've got some food in front of you. We didn't have any wine that launched. But certainly there was plenty of wine as the week continued like our final dinner actually was five people mean Dave degree who Patino at the end was calling Dave affects her is wonderful. I t and Pacino. Yeah. And then two guys from Showtime came along with us. They're shooting the documentary about him. So all of that down. We had a wonderful dinner was five hours. There was I lost track of how much wine we drank. There was more not. There was veal. There was octopus big octopus fan, especially when I'm in Greece that whereas Keeney fetters all kinds of stuff. I mean, and and I think like as you're sitting down over, food and wine and just having conversation. It becomes less about like, I think when I'm interviewing somebody at an arena or an office setting or you know, wherever and it's not like that. It's a little bit more structured a little bit more formal. Oil, and it feels more like we're both at our job as opposed to when you're just sitting down to dinner with somebody and you're having a conversation. And now that we're just people on what's going on in your life. That's right talk a little bit about the Greek wine. I'm I'm intrigued by that where you guys drinking white was there, white and red. There was white and red. We started off because there was some fish to start. There was like version of like, a vitae disbarred. But there was a little bit of wife. They brought out for us. And then we switched because there was deal and Yawkey. So there was a lot of red. And it was good Greek one is excellent. I mean, I think like I to be honest with you how I don't discriminate when it comes to food or wine right in front of me, and I'm gonna consume it. Yeah. I'm there with you. Now, did you guys stick exclusively degree wine or or did you drink wine from other regions there in Europe? No, it was mostly. I mean, I can't I can't think of a night where we didn't drink Greek wine. And again, this goes back to my like, my general default position is when I'm in your country show me what you got. Yeah. You know, I can I can drink Italian wine one on the daily or I can get it at the store here in Los Angeles. I'm in Greece. I wanna eat everything local. And there's so many things in Greece. You know, like, even you know what you're having fed. You're in America. It's great. It's wonderful. It's completely different. And better in Greece for a lot of different reasons. But stash ios my buddy Dave of the Greek has been trafficking back. He's basically stachel Buell. He brings them back. Multiple fuel is potassium from Greece. Because they're unlike the stash egos that you get in America, they're they're wholly different. I mean, they're the same not, but the taste and the look and the texture is completely different. And I would say superior so. Anytime. I can get anything. That's like Greek is better. Yeah. So he really is Dave the fixer. He's Dade the stachel fixer he helped a we made a pilgrimage on our last day before going to the airport for years. He had just been pudding Greek fascia as in front of me, he brings at an extra suitcase. So he can fill his suitcase. She is that they back you pack for him. Yes. They back Packie's fascia for him to make a smaller area in his suitcase. And so we made a pilgrimage to his potassium peddler where I also got backing pack kilos a statue has and brought them back LA kilos. He says now do you have to declare those on your customs form? I I don't know if you're supposed to or not they were still I did get pulled aside and security in on the way out. Kind of like puzzling over them like trying to figure them out. Those are you know, fast. You. What is he going nuts, buddy? Six. But but clearly Dave in in his own inevitable style. He's he's successfully, you know, transmitted statues, his own self between the United States, and and Greece some number of times, I feel like we should probably just leave it at that. I don't wanna get David in any trouble. But I am fascinated. You know, you've mentioned the fed. I you mentioned the stash ios, I know that you had lots of like meals in restaurants, and you had some home-cooked meals as well were you able to experience what all sort of characterized generally is just a sort of all encompassing. Descript her any Greek street food. Oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah. There was you know, euros and Suwalki, and you know, any kind of like meets on sticks. You can get pretty pretty easily. But I think like the Greeks Saverne experience for me and is seminal. And and the thing that I like and enjoy the most about going over to Greece because you're going to get any range of of foods and the best part about being in Greece with the Greek is he's also my personal order. I just sit down, and he basically plays the role that you played where hey, I'm gonna order a bunch of stuff, and let's eat it together. And great and he's speaking he's fluent in Greek. And he's talking to the waiter about what's good. And now all of a sudden, we've got for example, like I had never had shrimps dog Inaki, which is a shrimp in a tomato based sauce when better in it. And it was just you know, you're dipping the bread in it. And you haven't footers on the side. And now there are some. Mm smells over here. And there's some I suppose, and it's just ego. And then of course, basically with everything you're getting you're getting French fries. Like, they basically throw French fries when everything. I love it. I love. Yeah. Yeah. This is this is my kind of eating now, I want to hear about this home cooking experience because I feel like you had this rare opportunity to experience, you know, to go into somebody's home here and get like an authentic meal that you wouldn't you know, any of us traveling. We'd have we'd be hard pressed to like sit in somebody's dining room, and and get the meal that there are sort of, you know, preparing based on ingredients that they've gone to the market and purchased described for me that experience a little bit. It was incredible. I mean, like if we're talking about the best meals that I had we had we didn't have a bad meal. The entire time. We were there house but hands down the best meals. We had our days mom's house. Hey is mom lives. Not far from where patina lives just outside of Athens. And we went over there. And we have a bunch one day, and she made a whole fish with fresh, vegetables and bread. How did she prepare house? She prepare the whole fish. The whole fish was grilled room for simple, she. Yeah. She she boned it for me because I am incapable of doing that myself. She belated for me. It was wonderful. But the best meal we was the last day. We were there. We have some time to kill. We didn't fly out of Athens until like five thirty local time. So we went over there early, and we hung around with her with the family, Dave's mom lives out there. His grandmother. His aunts and uncles cousins. They're all there, and they all live across the street from each other. So they have like this little area. It's it's wonderful. But days mom, made us feel have you had that it's like Greek chorus. Of course, of course, I love the prestige zero. So we have to see feel it's like, but it's a little bit different. It doesn't have like a tomato base. It's obey Chanel and cheese. There's ground beef. And you know, they made it was sort of like a Riggott Tony style pasta. And it will absolutely kill her. I don't want any of our Greek home to get mad at me. But my brain processes Basilio is as as a as Greek lasagna. I don't want anybody. Don't get mad at me for for doing that. I'm just telling you how I how I process the prestige. Oh, wh what do you think about? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. That's how they that's how they described it to me because I didn't Dave's mom's cooking before she's chat dual citizenship and and used to live in Philly for a while and then moved back to Greece. So she's a killer cook, and I was like super excited, and she said, I'm gonna make steel I'd never had it it exceeded expectations in every possible way. They were there was there was roasted vegetables to go with it. She had eggplant peppers and salad and there was bread. And then Dave's mom's boyfriend Dmitri who we had had many meals with he orders like you house where we went out to dinner one night. And he would have so many things on the menu where to table for four days. Mom, Rulli and Dimitri and me, Dave. And we had ordered so much food on the table. It could have the table six human. But we had so much food on the table. That the waiter had to pull up a chair to put more plates on it because we had run out of room cable. That's my kind of order. They you're absolutely right. That is my kind of order. He he killed him. So he said I'm going to bring out do we wanna have some some fed? I said, of course, nutri bring out the fed I expected that he was going to bring the fresh fatter that you know, we are used to eating like on a Greek salad in Greece where you mind, the pack summations of it. It's not quite as good in in America. But he brought out something I'd never had before it was like a creamy Fettah an how and how the consistency. It was almost like a brief consistency. I've never had it before. And it was unbelievable like a soft spot was on. It was on real. So we'll take a quick break. And when we come back, I wanna hear the very best you have to even you've mentioned, many you've given a lot of superlatives out here too. Many of the things you experience I want the single best food you put in your mouth on this trip. When we come back. All right. My parched. House put word from our friends. Blood light. Did you know not all alcohol products are require to lift their ingredients that was due to me. I did not know that. But like is changing the game. They believe that we deserve. To know. Our beer's ingredients that are putting ingredients label right on the package. Bud light. Brewed with hops. Barley, water and rice, no corn syrup, no preservatives and no artificial flavors. Parts pals, find out what ingredients are in your beer, Bud Light. Enjoy responsibly. AB Bud Light beers meserve. My friends today show also brought to us by our favorite hotel year hotel tonight. The this winter is a great time to check out hotel tonight. Whether you want to take spontaneous ski trip or escape to a warm beats that's my I needed warm beach hotel tonight makes it easy to book room with one of their last minute deals are tons of empty hotel rooms out there just waiting to be book. And that's how hotel tonight scores. Such incredible rates teaming up with Boston. Hotels to help them sell those empty rooms, and they're passing savings along to you has to me. These are not last resort type of joints hotel tonight is working with pool. Top rated hotels. They actually want to stay at unlike other travel companies you don't have. Scroll through endless list. Hotels hotel tonight shows you the best deals at great hotels, along with short profiles pictures, the info that you need and even though the name is hotel tonight. Not just last minute. Bookings. You can plan in advance play by ear if you want or go ahead and book hotel tonight in advance and you join their HT perk program. The more you both the better the deals. Get to start scoring amazing deals at incredible hotels Goto hotel tonight dot com or download the app now Oregon's oh, we're back. I put you to the test here. I want to hear the signal. Best item of food that went in your mouth on on your weeklong trip degrees. So there were many things that I had that I really enjoyed. There was a delightful octopus. I'm a sucker FOX because zucchini fritters that were all over. We had we had quite a bit of quite a bit of those that's called colors Kikia. I might have butchered that in in Greece kilo p David Greece going to be mad at you. They've the Greeks gonna be mad at me. I I know baby like fifteen or twenty Greek word, and I have to like somebo over them. But I would be remiss if I didn't say it was as bonsai CPO. It was ima. And on top of it. She made one that was half the size but table that we're eating on. She put a piece in front of me. 'cause shielded me she said, it was too skinny per usual. She held him. His treats me like one of her children's where she's constantly yelling at me. And feeding me she gave me a piece that was like a roughly the size of a hubcap before I got on the plane, and I ended all thought it was going to die. Then she bundled up extra for us. And she bundled up extra for the Showtime guys who were flying back coincidentally on our same plain. So on the plane. We were custody feel as did the Showtime die, and it couldn't have been better. It was really job debt herself. Not just an incredible. I mean, the the Greek generosity is is legendary in, you know, mamas in Greek. Now, the thing that I'm kind of curious about when I think of all the people in my life that I know that are of Greek descent, I they're not like huge people there are there healthy eaters, and I have some healthy. Eating Greek friends along the way here, but by and large the image of you know, sort of the Greek folks that I have from growing up is, you know, kind of this Mediterranean appearance where you know, they're not they're like normally size human beings in the in your experience over there is that accurate. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think that the Mediterranean ethos is probably right. Most of the time, right? Like like, I said I've been there in the summer. There's a lot of fish and vegetables, which I love, and, you know, relatively healthy things considered right? Like, you're eating a lot of vegetables with the Greek style, and there's olive oil and this bridge Dipa mostly especially vegetables. And and that's probably in the winter at Davies house. It is you're going to eat. This giant Pathy? All you're gonna let my dad, but it was like a much heavier veal than I think, I'm generally accustomed to eating women Greece, sir. And how big a dude is Dave the Greek. Mostly my size were you know, he's maybe a little bit shorter. But about the same way like an average sized American human being. So when when the Greek mama's get going wintertime with these massive portions, and you described going to a restaurant, and you know, needing a chair for all the extra plates. Where's all that food going? I think it was like special circumstances. The problem was the problem was that none. It's not a problem as a hacking problem to have like in addition to having all of Dave's family there, and they all want to catch off. And they all eat. No one time. We also have friends they're like one of our friends Jimmy lives in the Sala me, which is in northern Greece. And I'm the day before we flew out when we had that final dinner with Pacino on Valentine's Day with high bottles of wine, or however, many bottles for like two AM, and it was a five hour dinner before we had that dinner house with Rick Pitino Jimmy came down to Athens, and we hadn't seen him in about a year. So he he knew that we had to go out to this dinner. But he goes, you know, I'm kinda hungry. Let's go out. We'll just have like a couple of plays. This was at six o'clock, the dinner we're supposed to go to you know, with his at night Jimmy ordered like template 'cause we ended up having to consecutive dinners back to back from six at night until two in the morning, and it w-. Was I mean, it was the light bullet was wonderful. But it was it really it really put us that. Yes. We don't call him Jimmy the Greek right or do we call them Jimmy the Greek? Jimmy Davis group, but he could be Jimmy degree. That's an old. That's an old guy joke that's an all for a certain age. Well, the the thing that that left off the page me from the story. We'll we'll we'll wrap up with this is like that that cultural element that you just described which is the five our meal that you had with Bettino the late seating. And and I I'm interested in just like that your experiences as a, you know, you US consumer of the foods and the kind of the rhythm of of US restaurant eating it seems like nine o'clock is like the early dinner at in Greece. Is that right? Shoop early. Like, I would say about that was my third time degrees of all the times I've ever been degree. That was the earliest I had ever started a dinner was at nine o'clock on that final night, and we stayed until two AM every other dinner that I've eaten agrees including this trip that I was there. I don't think I ate at dinner before like eleven maybe what is launch. Like, I mean late. I mean, like you, you know, you're waking up way. So so most of the time when I've been in grief, you you end up staying out really late, especially like if you're on the islands, like Dave's friends are friends tend to go to Mykonos, which is one of the many islands in Greece. They have houses there, we go and visit and most of the time, you know, you're taking a nap at eight PM, and you're going out at midnight, and you're out until maybe four or five six o'clock and somewhere along the way, you're stopping to get a, you know, an early IM late night euro, and you're going to bed waking up at noon, you know, you hit the beach maybe a little breakfast. And so the hours are just completely reversible. Yeah. Nine nine PM seating for dinner was by far the earliest I'd ever even grits. I would be four hundred pounds of I live in Greece. There's no way that I could, you know, keep myself because I'm like you. I love all those flavors. I love meat on a stick the pistachios or other worldly, the prestige. I mean, it's just it's just too much. And that that that that the time clock wh- would kill me. But I I love the documenting of the experience. The story is incredible. It's the exile of Rick Pitino. You can get it. Right. The second on the ringer dot com. John kazaa safer for coming on my dude. Why man I've got some great fascists put aside for you. Oh, my hungry, homey. I love it. Thank you so much. I can't wait to eat them. All right, talk to you. My thanks Dunkin's Alice. I hope that all of you are Jones of the Greek food. I know that I am I need to go. Find some delicious. We have Robert Mays coming up. The tell us the best thing he ate this week in Indianapolis, Indiana before we get to maisy. How 'bout a word from our friends at Carnival Cruise line? When choosing vacation spot, my taste buds. You know? This about me. I'm always going where the best food is play really excited when I found out about all the different cuisines on a Carnival Cruise Arnel as over a dozen restaurants with entrees from all over the globe. You can dine at the chef's table. For instance, toward the kitchen and watch the master executive chef cook tasting wars. Enjoy a fusion of flavors and different types of cuisine with wine. That's my love that or you can try the banzai Tappin Yawkey authentic Abbadi with entertaining. Chefs that offer a table sideshow. The experience begins with a curated selection of traditional taste Bala by choice of tempting appetizers for four years. Chef expertly prepares the main force which features, of course, filet on real TOA. Few tofu fish, shrimp or lobster for a combination. You can hear him chopping and slap in the in the background right now. If you're looking for vacation has a great variety of amazing food, call your travel agent or go to Carl dot com to learn more. All right. My taste buds. We have a special guest today for besting I ate this week. This man is a staff writer for the ring covering the NFL is co host of the ringer NFL show, and he is just back from an extended visit to Indianapolis, Indiana, covering the NFL combine Robert Mays. Welcome back to house of cards. It's so good to be back. My man, thank you for having me. Well, it's been too long. We had you on in the first couple months of the show, and we documented the pizza seeing in Chicago, you gave us the land the land as a native Chicago in native, son. And we ended up with with belief p quads was your number one. I say it, right? P quad picot. How do I say? Is peak wads is one hundred percent my number one option in Chicago. Yeah. But we we need to talk a little bit about your extended visit tending apples. Now, you're covering the combine you had your running mate Danny Kelly there along with you. And I believe it was Danny's I visited Indian apple is that right? No, he's been there a lot. It's just that every year we try to make Danny eat something. He's never eaten before here. It seems like there's still something on that list. It's fun. Danny. I loved any Kelly very much. The work is done about the NFL draft is remarkable so far, but Kelly is a he's a very impressionable food mind. That's what I'll say. Well, this is the reason why I thought it was the case even though it doesn't really make any sense because he's on the NFL beaten. He's been doing it for a long time. But I felt like maybe this was his first visit to Indianapolis because I saw social media either Twitter your Instagram him eating shrimp at say MOS for the first time. Which is crazy because it's not as if he hasn't been to say, no most while the rest of us have been last year, we filmed a video were Kevin clerk, and I were doing a QNA wall. Eating the shrimp. Cocktail for those that aren't familiar with it? It's just doused in horseradish. That's pretty much what it is. It's cocktail sauce mixed with the biggest collection of horseradish you've ever seen in your entire life. And it's impossible to eat it and not get either completely like your eyes. Get watery your sinuses. Get cleared up. So we thought it'd be hilarious have football conversation while doing it, and Danny Kelly filmed us doing this. And he's still had never had it before. I just can't believe it. So I I am lucky enough to say that I've been in the NFL my own self a have been say elmo's have enjoyed the shrimp cocktail and for me as a as a lover of many, many, many foods. I absolutely adore their style of cocktail sauce. I it is a absolutely as you just described it really clear. Here's up the pipes. I mean, you are ready to go tackle some things. If you the nice thing about it for my perspective is if you can, you know, tolerate the heat, and, you know, get yourself situated after going through that experience. It really does live in the taste buds for the next round of good eating it saying almost always a delicious piece of beef. Right. That's my favorite part about it. Is that it gets you ready? It's the perfect appetizer because one on its own. It's an experience I was loved that. Always love you're going to have a little bit of has moved or whatever before you're about to eat that it really gets you going. It's like, okay. This is something that I'm enjoying. But it's not something that's going to overwhelm what I'm about to eat. So that's my favorite part about it is it's a perfect complement for whatever hunk of steak you're about to consume. That's right. I agree with that. No. We're not going to put the cart before the horse and presume that the best thing that you ate last week was the shrimp. Cocktail even though it it. It's a leading contender always. Because anytime you get to say now MOS and have the shrimp cocktail. It could be the best thing you last week. But, but I'm interested before we get to the best thing, you ate talk a little bit about your culinary experience in Indianapolis because I will say as a person that's been there while it seems from the outside that it could be. Kind of a one note eating experience. It doesn't have to be that way. If you're willing to put in a little bit of legwork a little bit elbow grease. You can have a pretty diverse eating experience if you're into that kind of thing. So let's let's hear about your own experience. Usually when I go to the combine there are three restaurants. I have in mind that I absolutely wanna hit. And typically, it's two three that I normally get to the first is other Saint homos or Harian is ease which is the sister restaurant that's next door. So you have a lot of the same stuff. It's not the same menu. It's not necessarily the same ambience. But odds are pretty similar the other. The other two are the eagle, which is a fried chicken place. That's on the northwest side of downs north east side of downtown excuse me. It's not a standalone restaurant, they have one in Cincinnati in Columbus. And I believe in one more spot maybe Louisville, But it's just fried chicken that they in Brian it in house. It's excellent. And the list of sides, which as you know, is part of the best thing that bout barbecue and fried chicken places is just out of this world good. I was sitting there with a few friends, and we're trying to decide what we wanted. And eventually we landed on of them. Let's just all of them. Okay. Because they're only. Like, three bucks. And so you're looking at Friday's collard greens, coleslaw, spoon bread, sweet potatoes, MAC and cheese grits horse rash, mashed potatoes biscuits. I mean, just the list is so good. And every single one of them is worth it. So the table was just completely covered in food. And it went very well. So the interesting thing what you just described in terms of like flavor profiles Gers listing. Those off all of those things have kind of an identity that goes with belongs to the south. But I also think of all of those things as belonging to the mid west. So it doesn't feel out of order at all that you're sitting in a mid west town and having fried chicken and all of those, you know, seven or eight different sides with kind of a southern identity. Of course, all of that flavor full. There's there's a lot of salty items in there there's fried things going. On in there. There's creaming with the MAC and cheese. But that's what you want with the fried chicken, right? It's my favorite thing is just to kind of get every single little bit of tartness with the coleslaw combined with just the overall spice the white shedder grits had some pickled peppers in. There does hit you from a bunch of different angles. There's some of the best grits. I've had I mean typically I'm going to reserve that for when I go south, and I was in Atlanta. Mary max, which is an old school. So food restaurants. Just so good. But these are definitely some of the better ones that I've had and I enjoyed them. But yeah, that's my favorite part. I have a question for you, though. When you're going chicken, are you alight meek guy or a dark meat guy? I always prefer the dark meat and start with the dark meat. I want five and legs as the my entree point into a fried chicken experience. And I typically will have I mean, you know, how I am. I like kind of six pieces of chicken before I get to white meat before I'll mess around with us. So. I mean, sometimes it depends on like how much I like, the the the how it's been prepared sort of fry wise if I'm really digging the the flavor profile all all even throw down some wings before I get to to white meat because the white meat like by the time. I'm ready for the white meat. I'm gonna like luxuriate in a little bit. I'm just gonna sort of go slow the first six or seven or eight pieces are to satiate might my appetite. And I want all of the that that dark meat that rich flavor that comes from the dark meat. I. That's always my favorite. I was having an argument with the people at my table because they I was way too full to get an entire half chicken. So I got the quarter chicken, and I got the dark meat just because I like it so much more. If I'm getting chicken always prefer like a solid chicken fine and nice media leg over what I often find to be a much drier breast. That's always how I felt about it. I mean, no offense to your friends, but they have terrible taste. I'm glad you I'm in the right here because that's important to be. Of course, you're in the right? Okay. So what else what else in terms of your experience? We're going to get to the best thing you ate last week. But what else in terms that Indianapolis experience? So now along with Harriet Izzi's, they actually just opened a burger place a little bit further down the road. And they use the same beef that they use for the stakes at this burger place and kind of the the Cadillac crown jewel burger at this place has say Nomo's dry beef with APPA wood smoked bacon, black pepper, Belva Tana cheese and black pepper Leon there and my God. I I'm typically, not a bacon cheeseburger person. I really good burger. You don't need to throw bacon on there. I don't feel like it adds tunnel. The time their accents a place like. Cheval in Chicago, excuse me, which is very famed cheeseburger and Chicago bake it on that one because I think the bacon is well made. So I got this. It's called the prime degree burger. And I put the bake it on there. It is the best burger I've had a very long time. It just the one with the bacon plus the pepper. I mean, the fact that there's that black pepper on there. And you get some pepper cheese. I just feel like there's a spice with the sweetness of the bacon. It was perfect. I'm telling you got my attention that that combination of the pepper pepper. Jack cheese. It's pepper a black pepper cheese. So it's now. Okay. No Hala you black pepper cheese, which is very different. And I liked it. I liked that a lot along with the black pepper a Oli because I really. I'm an all of kind of fella. I like black pepper black pepper corns with with meat because I feel like you know, it helps kind of ward off the richness of of of the meat a little bit. I like just the sort of that Zing the comes along with it in that same respect, it is the place that I hold in my heart for bacon on a burger like that it helps with the richness because sometimes a medium rare burger, you know, perfectly cooked that way it can be a little can get rich after just a handful of bites with the juices and everything else. So that that's mainly the element that that the the role that the the bacon place for me personally. But man, oh man what a burger. Okay. So now, we have a burger place in Indianapolis. Yeah. I mean, it's the same kind of level. They're all kind of intertwine those three restaurants, and you can just rely on the quality. And that's why I wanted to pop either did for lunch one day. I was not disappointed. All right. Well, let's let's go ahead and do the crown jewel here. The best thing you put in your mouth last week in Indianapolis, Indiana. So this is kind of a departure for me. Because when I go to a steakhouse like Harry in his ease or say Nomo's, I've always been ridi-. I just I like the marveling I like the fat, I've never been afraid of it. So I'm typically a rib eye person. And I was having a conversation with Mitchell Schwartz from the chiefs recently who's a big grill guy big steak guy does a lot of brisket. And I was just talking to him about his favourite cut meet. And he'd said that he's a strip guy. He always has been he just enjoys the profile of it. The most feels the rabbis got a little too much fat on it. So with that in mind Harian is he's has dry aged twelve ounce. New York strip it's age sixty days, and it's just sitting there staring at me on the menu. And I was like, you know, what this is this is the day. I'm gonna go with this over the rabbi, and I cannot even tell you how disappointed I was. It was the best steak. I've eaten in such a long time just every single byte was melt in your mouth, I was just trying to save it. Like cutting off as small pieces that possibly could every time, man. It was good. So what temperature do you like for a strip like that? So I'm usually medium, rare almost every single time. But Harian is he's insane. Omos they go way on the conservative side when it comes to their temperatures. So if you had a medium steak you have a ton of pink in there. It's almost a little bit soup pink for me to go medium, rare with them. Yeah. I get it. And that's I feel like. A strip because of the thickness that they tend to be and the natural juice composition for for properly. Cooked strip. I think it's okay to air on the side. You know to have it like one temperature closer to medium than medium rare. Because I just think like for the thickness of it. You're getting all the pink that you that you need, you know, in terms of the standard, medium, rare that you would get out of filet just that's just my experience with it. And that I typically would lean that way too when it comes to thicker steak, but I almost always go medium rare with my rebellion. I was thrilled. I was so happy. I did it because I think any pinker. And I wouldn't have liked it. And they had a dry rub on there. That was just so good nothing. I'm not talking about any sort of sauce, but just perfectly spiced assuming there was a little bit of paprika and their salt pepper not overwhelming. But definitely something that. Helped with the Sierra into gave you exactly what you wanted with pretty much every single. But I'm not sure what my next occasion is to get in the Annapolis. I don't think there's anything going on with the Pacers. That that is a a huge attraction for me. But I feel like I need to get there. Because I want to do some eating. I had a great experience when I went to the Super Bowl back, however, many years ago that was an an, and there's some there's some updates to the culinary food scene there that I need to experience I'm going to share with you the best thing that I ate this week. And then I'm gonna let you go. I was fortunate enough to attend the DC United home opener Mays. I'm not afraid to tell you. I might be soccer guy might be turning into a soccer guy. There's nothing wrong with that. You're not to be afraid to tell me that. Well, I mean, the problem I have is my professional basketball team here in Washington, I believe is going to be irrelevant for the next two years. So I have I have a sports gap to fill. And the DC United play in a stadium that just opened last season midseason, and it's a beautiful facility and hold just the right number of people. It's like a little north at twenty thousand folks. And you know, it it's very well conceived and configured you're you're right on top of the action. The sounds inside are great. And it's like a really fun way to experience the football. And on top of that my little man who is his his he's having his sports awakening over this last year. So we went to the season. I mean to the stadium opener last year, which was midseason and he had such a great time. He became a soccer, dude. So that means that I'm a soccer due to and this the season opener here in Washington on on March third was an abysmal disaster. In terms of the weather because I don't know if you this the first week of March in Washington is still really the winter like it's. It's probably three. I know it. A managed to go the first week in April is still the winter. So I did right. Great boyd. Exactly. So we had a day where it was like thirty eight degrees, and we had precipitation in the forecast and by precipitation. I mean it poured rain for seven hours straight like from the minute. We left our house until the minute that we returned it. Just poured out of the sky. It would have been so much better. If it had been snow 'cause they would have been first of all cool and seeing soccer in the snow would have been unbelievable. But it would have been a lot drier for all of us. Like, my my kid insisted on sitting out for the entire first half in the pouring rain, and he came inside. Now, we had a little bit club access. I had to finagle that of course. And I I had to go to the store and buy a whole new Alf it because not once they will thing that he wore to the game was dry if they sold shoes. I would have bought them anew. Pair of shoes to go along with everything. Else? But I mentioned that the club thing, and I was fortunate enough to get in there, and I'm I have a keen eye maze. For seeing how you know the food innovation of food experience inside of stadiums. How folks are thinking about innovating, and what you know, the palette of the American consumer is developing it is, you know, becoming more sophisticated than so the stadiums are now sort of you know, they've all caught on. There are great food offerings of the the DC United were proud to announce that they just partnered with our our own, homey. Dave Chang and his chicken coup. Yes. So there's a Fukui inside there. Now, Jose Andreas who is a local legend here here in Washington DC as a well as well as a genuine humanitarian over the last couple years, but he has some food options at the stadium as well. So you can really do. Get a diverse sampling inside of of this this club experience. They the thing that that I was actually drawn to because I am who I am is the Nacho bar. And of course, God, God bless these folks. The Nacho bar was well populated with a variety of different. You know offerings mostly different like sort of a cooter mile yourself cream your holiday. No, a really good to portly based like dark almost Molay flavored salsa for net next to it. They had a case though. But God bless a giant offering of barbeque Coa very well seasoned, very delicious barbecue, and then maisy an unbelievable buffalo chicken cheese dip. Now. You know, who I am? We we hug me home. He's out there. What almo- about I created a plate that? That was probably more properly described as a platter that was a bottom layer of chips. One quarter of the thing. I covered with this to police also because it was just really a surprisingly rich flavor. And then I covered one half of the platter with Barbacoas meat and the other half of the platter. You know? I had the buffalo chicken cheese. You know, it was a beautiful like shanty. And let me tell you something. I'm here to tell you Barbacoas in buffalo chicken cheese, dip, they go wonderfully together, they are it's a marriage may have been my friend. I would never have the bravery or the courage to do that. I stand in all of you right now because I love both of those things. But it just never crossed my mind to toss those things on the same pilot ships. Well, part of what really helped the cause was the consistency of the buffalo chicken cheese dip was such that it was like creamy up. It wasn't so thick that it was its own standalone thing, and the Barbacoas just strands of delicious barbeque Barbara Coa and so each bite, you know, couple chips a little barbeque obeys and then a little bit buffalo chicken cheese on top of that yellow. Hell, yeah. That works. You know that the Basco sort of play that buttery Tabasco flavor profile that comes off of a buffalo chicken kind of. And then you're you're kind of that salty, you know, again with like a kind of a AAA kind of flavor for the for the meat. I mean, come on. It was beautiful. I I was happy to. Experiment, and have experiment. Oh, well, but I I wasn't really worried maze. I so I got a Dutch oven for Christmas from my mother like a pretty decent one. And now, I'm in a era of my life where we're doing a lot of dinner parties and just kind of quite entertaining. So I've just been in a dip making haven for the past like, oh, yes. I mean, just making spinach choked up that has twice the art show. They ask for it about three times as much garlic and just making enough of it for about twenty five people, even though only five or six people are coming over. That's pretty much exist right now. That's a great place. I highly recommend on yourself above a buffalo chicken dip recipe and give that a try. I've made it trust me. I've already been there and back my man, of course, part insulted that you think I haven't. Well, here's the thing. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm pleased to announce that Robert Mays finally joined Instagram sometime in the last couple of months here his handle at Robert Mays, fifty three we're working on getting just down to regular old that Robert may as we. We'll get there eventually, but right now Robert Mays fifty three maisy, I'm a follower. John I jumped onto soon as you were on there. I haven't seen the buffalo chicken dip. I have not made it since I joined Instagram. This is still relatively new development. Only joined like three weeks ago, and I've spent a good chunk of that time Indianapolis. So trust me he'll be around now that I'm backing settled and making food again. Yeah. I mean, you have a good I and the good sense to try and document a lot of your meals. I've enjoyed that from the Twitter. But you know, that that's what the point of Instagram is it's the take pictures or buddy. It's your dog foods. I couldn't do it at the eagle because it was too dark in the restaurant. I made is to make the steak happen. But I couldn't do it with the fried chicken. Just because it was too dark in there. I'm trying here hustle and don't worry about me. We're gonna we're gonna get you a nice food light. That's what we're gonna do some of the trust in the trade here. My man Robert Mays. Thank you for coming on house of cards. We will have you on again as soon as possible. You gotta start putting up some of your your these delectable items on your Instagram. So we get hungry along with you. We need some belly sources, it'd be happening. Trust tonight. Just got back. I'm going to hit the grocery store today. And we'll. Making it happen. Boom. Love you Maisey. Let me a lot. Taste. We've done it offered on last week show to all of you that chimed in with some input on the pod survey that we asked you to participate in a lot of you got back to us. We're gonna hit we have something. Nice. I promised it out to you. We're making a list of everybody that took the pod Cervi Cervi the positive bay. And then got back to us. We track you down. So we're gonna ask for an address to send some stuff to you be on the lookout for that communication from. The ring are not where we want to get your address. So we can send you something. Nice to thank you for your hard work in your time and filling out the pod survey we shall be back next week with another house of cards by friends until then let stay hungry out there.

Greece Indianapolis Dave Rick Pitino Robert Mays NFL United States Athens Washington David Greece Danny Kelly Jimmy Davis Los Angeles Instagram soccer John Chicago America staff writer Showtime
9. Building Community For Healing and Hope | Sophie Trew

The Holistic Healing Project

51:12 min | 5 months ago

9. Building Community For Healing and Hope | Sophie Trew

"Hello and welcome to the holistic healing project with me. Dr Lauren McDonald each week. I'll be sitting down with a range of experts thought leaders and other inspiring to explore how we can all bring more healing into our lives. I believe we all have the capacity to self heal to experience more joy greater meaning and deeper connection. I really hope these conversations inspire and support you on your own journey. Back to wholeness. Hi everyone welcome back to her. Listrik Akita project this week. I'm sharing my conversation with my wonderful friends so if we actually recorded this conversation a few months go by wanted to wait until we mayor to International Women's Day before released it and this is because Sophie really doesn't recognize how amazing she is. I mean up and down the country the people that she has impacted and affected in such a positive way and I just really want to celebrate her and applaud of the way that she does in this space so if he is one of those incredible people that sees a problem and under something about it off after own experience with cancer. She recognized the lack of support. Analytic care available of cancer patients so she sets up true fields. The UK's Holistic Health and Cancer Awareness Festival as you'll hear episode. I can't say enough. Positive things about this gorgeous. Oh Festival. I'm so proud. An or of Sophie and her mission to really support and empower people to live. Well live better to live healthier but ultimately live more healed lives. I want to dedicate this episode. Twelve beautiful friend. Murray who we talked about during the episode Anew Saadi died the beginning of this year right love fields and the festival won't be the same without her youthful energy. This yeah in this episode. We Explore Sophie's personal journey to setting up the festival the power of community. Integrative medicine lifestyle medicine and the way. The festival is a space. Where science needs spirituality we also explored death and dying which is something that is coming to all of us whether we think we're terminal or not true fields festival held on a farm in Surrey between July the third and the fifth every year. So I hope to see some of you this year as always if you a conversation I would love you. Ray View as helps the continue sharing the podcast with more people around the globe. Welcome to the fee true. It's so great to have you here. Thank you for having me. It's not pleasure so if anyone listening who doesn't know you story the incredible event that you put on can we just stop Bab- with really what brought you to running the UK's on the world's first Listrik Health and Cancer Awareness Festival in just to kind of backtrack if he is. I saw a guy I had recently graduated in journalism on my kind of vision. I wanted to his foreign correspondent out in South America. I'd be making a documentary out in Columbia and started to get some side effects. Things like citizens that night sweats and chronic fatigue and cutler them show off to kind of go back and forward and some misdiagnosis of different things that tobacco says. I was diagnosed with a blood cancer at that point on. I think the real landing point and turning point for me was when I got that diagnosis having been agendas and graduate. I had a lot of questions I kind of went into research mode and I just said to my doctor and the I quit my said Israeli thing that I can do to help myself and kind of looking for that empowerment and confidence that I can take an active role and he just said to me. There's nothing you can do the lottery. Keep doing what you're doing and leave it to us. That kind of approach nano gets different feedback which need that is changing even in the past five years. We've seen that change. Haven't we that? But at that point everything felt very out of control. I just felt quite lost. Luckily that was the lightbulb moment and treated on the teenage cancer word down in a hospital down south and the restaurant and the hospital is Burger King and that again another ten jobs and I thought wow. We're not really what has started to fill. Is We kind of have a sick caste system but we're not focusing on healthcare and quite reactive? So if you have old were you when you were diagnosed says diagnosed and US. Twenty three hundred k. You feel like you're just getting your life together and you've graduated in everyone's kind of either moving or starting work or you're just kind of walking who you are that point. Yeah huge thing to go through that a huge thing to go through at any age especially like you said when you've just kind of you signed a little bit of a mentor becoming an adult. And then you just hit by this huge diagnosis so when this diagnosis came. What was the kind of the steps? What was the process? Because I know you took kind of a combined. Integrative approach didn't you kind of taking Listrik and also the conventional medicine yes but you know that was kind of like all of us. That was not something I did right in the beginning. It wasn't this kind of my and of right. These are the things I'm going to do. It was kind of step by step process so had it. In three areas in the lumps were growing really quickly and so. I started on chemo within a week and then had six months of Chemo and in between that time started to be connected. People a meet people along the way you've really helped and leading me more onto kind of hellenistic path. A friend came down with juicer and I started G. Sing quite early on and then kind of looking at what I was eating. And how as meeting? But then also having things like energy medicine be flex and break which is actually authored complimentary services within the hospital which is amazing and that really opened my eyes up to what we can do to really balance our nervous systems and I started to notice the difference when people say. How do you know it works for me? It was just the kind of experience of going through a living proof of things that can be effective. I would spend about a week in bed being sick and unable to do anything and the kind of biggest success sometimes going to the toilet without being sick for about a week of treatment. When I started have ricky notice that I could actually get up and do things and even walk outside. Yeah it was the turning point of realizing hey. My nails aren't falling out a lot of people on the board. Their nails were falling out other side effects from this particular. Chemotherapy and I wasn't having any of the side effects. Started to have more faith in that. Hello stick approach but if you had said to me you're going to start meditating and you're going to start doing all of these things rebounding and to sort of the kind of random things that we had into our protocol to try and do everything and anything to get. Well I would thought you were crazy about again before that. So is living disconnected hedonistic lifestyle. So it was quite a process of learning a new way to live. I guess it's obviously certain credible. You oversee went into remission which is wonderful and then it's quite a big jump to then festival specific festival which you know when you say the to Web Cancer Festival until I can't even experience the festival myself. I had no idea what to expect because the to us negate Nevada so how did not come about with that. It's something that naturally occurred or everyone. I think everyone has this perception as don't even the head and even US describing to people so it's the cancer when Cesspool it's hard to really encompass it isn't a description in a one liner because it's so much more than that and as you say festival is a celebration people say. How can you do something about something serious and I think that's kind of part of why I wanted to do it was how can we create a kind of different way of relating to owners and environment that's up lifting him fun but also we talk about the? Tobago topics so after treatment. I worked for a young woman's cuts to charity. Forget and I was meeting women who had recently been diagnosed putting on workshops and half workshops and started to notice that row craving for connection community and the power of community to help people hale. I'm creative and I just wanted to put that into bringing something to life and it always loved festivals and just the power of people coming together for two three days and everything that can happen any night. The Sony people doing amazing things as people who are more in the kind of science space. There are people who are more and the kind of energy medicine world or people dating I or acupuncture or people who are kind of talking about two as like psychedelics. Dying as much if we came together for an then and what could happen and what. It's decent was proactive and progressive. Say Rarely Bridge that gap. Somme the kind of the Pasta. I was choosing to take intensive my hailing and recovery and choosing an integrative. That felt kind of you can feel called isolating decides it definitely. You know I was speaking to friend just just this week at Lea- a new friend recently Matt. She's my age so she's about thirty three thirty four she was she saying that she had count so when she was twenty and had felt so isolated. So lonely hadn't known what to do. You know she's quite spiritual beings she wanted to take a more integrative approach but instead you know she just only went conventional and even to this day. She thinks she's still got trauma from experience. Count and you know that to experience itself not being supported enough through that but then also the aftermath really I mean and this is what ten years later. She still feels that she's got off healing work to do as a result of the trauma and telling her about the festival. And you know as everybody says. She just wishes she'd had access to space and community somewhere where she could learn and be inspired and then sought to. He'll he'll from as well. I am so that was really interesting. It just shows you know it's not only when you're newly diagnosed festival so important boasts of its heating happens in the is often. It's an I'd say at she. Sometimes I'll capacity day with things and said to open up to things as often farther down. The line is net. When we've kind of gone through the eye of the needle when we've gone through the the big the big shock of diagnosis and going through treatment my hailing. I knew really begun. Honest even two years after finishing humor. Definitely shifting survival mode into state of more thriving but it takes a January. Everyone's journeys unique and take time. I just won't talk more about this is not. I don't think we've really done it. Justice yet and it really is just such incredible space. Swear you bring together the talks and you know you fly in integrative doctors from all around the world logistics and people speaking medical cannabis and gut health and psychedelics and breath work and yoga. And it's just this incredible. Integrative Hellenistic Festival and I took my mom last year and she had never been before had overseen a few years running and she just said she learned so much. She took a notebook with on. Just you know was writing counseling. I looked around in the big. The main kind of talk tend on everyone. Was there writing notes and really learning. So you had that don't WanNa one level and then in the ten next door. People were dancing and singing and laughing and paying drums and I just thought wow brilliant space to really inspire people motivate them both so allow them just that freedom to let go of the heaviness of cancer is such a heavy topic created this magical space totally and it says saying of wanting to bring lightheartedness and up list because I feel like humor and fun and joy is just very big factor. In all of this is up I thought. How can we create something? That's kind of new and bring and Compassionate and also space where both sides the house today together and they can talk about that different opinions and hopefully in a non judgmental space but we have to see cover AAC. Can I take my shoes off? And you know it's kind of a space of people. Let down their guard a little bit because it's on assignments in the countryside out in the fields and it really is really special and I think the thing that I love. The most is just seeing people making friends. And we'd have people who said they matron life speaking to a guy just the other day and he said that that felt really. I sites had diagnosis. He didn't really get it. She wants to go down carton intuitively and he was supporting anyway and he said he came to the festival for the first time he realized what his wife is talking about. And I think that's not even a family members realizing kind of what it's about and being together and really when it's be as vice. I as you said you brought your mom which sneezing families can come together and learn and have kind of create memories and have fun and USA kind of being the prevention space together as well though. It is primarily aimed at people with cancer things the computer making workshop all the drumming workshop. You know anybody can come along and learn and is wellness as well as you know kind of actually medicine for someone WHO's L. Which is wonderful and just just healing in community like that. You said that's something so powerful you do around and I myself being the several years on the tour and I really feel cage from the field. We thank contact you social media and we really that lifting each other up and checking on each other you know people having scans or people have received bad news we their. You know we're not we don't know each other well but we have this kind of common thread and knowing that we all need support because can be so lonely and together we can do so much we only have to really look at the blue zones realize that parent community for Dong and lies. But I think the festival because it is such a concern not that you can talk about the topics that you might be afraid to talk about what we might have around and also as you said. It's it's kind of we have that Ponti in the evening and everyone has music and this is the Johnson everything this kind of something for everyone on also. It's not just for those who have been now because let's face it. One and two of US will have accounts diagnosis at some point in our lifetime. Is This district. I think that moment and said this debris research. What is the percentage? I think it's one thousand. Nine hundred ninety five percent of cancer attributed to our environment and livestock taxes and then five to ten percent is to do genetics if Genetics loads the gun but environment pulls the trigger observations. That's really what you're focusing on. Is this environmental factor of you. Know you may be predisposed. But where else can you do? And really empowering people yeah and that thing is rarely knowing that you have the answer just south and when you know that there are more options it can be quite an starring in height owed. Yeah I'm what I really love about the festival. As you. Bridge Science and spirituality. So no matter what somebody you know somebody who's arriving who is very spiritual find the right things for them there but then hopefully they will also wander into the talk that the oncologist is given giving about nutrition as well and the other way round someone. Who's very evidence bay? Science lead might suddenly find themselves. I don't know in the ecstatic dance. Ten all just I love that because you sometimes don't even know what's available. What's out there to support you and also you don't realize what you need it providing that space and the integration that you've created is is just amazing. I can't say enough. I think it is the the greatest festival. It's goes such a service. And you know it's not hedonistic is a place of love and beauty and I mean imagine saying that those words around cancer you just don't really ever say the word beauty or in cancer something that you associate with. All these kind of positive adjectives and yet thoughts exactly. What tree fields does Thank he I love that. Your ultimate cheerleader. Have you with us? Guy Around with flyers. It's you and it's all about creating that vision together right when you realize the actually. Yeah how do we collaborate and get creative with it and I realize though quite a few people that was coming in contact with you felt quite angry at the lack of information that they'd been given an I just thought anger is not getting anyone anywhere really and if we something have come to the question I've been asking friends they. It's just as big if we really believed that. Everyone's seen the best account of what they know in our intentions behind setting things on both sides of the Kinda help bait are positive than how do we create something that small kind of kind and compassionate to all and say I thought that kind of education side is definitely and I think the scientific community the signs moving so rapidly now that it's kind of almost catching up with those eastern principles? You know things like yoga meditation which you know for thousands of years we've been told helps the body to heal but we haven't really known why we haven't had the science behind so you know for some people. In the scientific community they would look down on people. Pricing Yoga Meditation. A now it's very much at the forefront of everyone's minds and you I imagine it won't be long before within within oncology that you are being told you know we really recommend meditation Yoga practice and just from my own experience. I th- about four years ago before due to saw immunotherapy I had. I'm sure I've told you this before but I'd gone and gone away and done some research and found some initial studies on the suggested that the gut health gut microbiome was really really important. If they were having immunotherapy they did a they. The study was half the mice they had. Sentence strains of bacteria put into that God's and were given immunotherapy having previously been injected with melanoma cells on the other half of the mice were strip to the gut flora potentially through antibiotics essentially. They didn't have the same diverse gut microbiome and all of those mice died really quickly from melanoma so I went to my oncologist just before is about to start treatment and said look. I found this study. It's really interesting suggest that the GUT microbiome might be key in helping me survive. You know my prices at the time was about a year. I want to do anything I could having already done. You know so much and I was met with. You know I thought it was going to be exciting empowering compensation and you know what my own color. Justice is fantastic. But it was instead met with I'm not sure about that. It's very it's an animal. Stop It. We're not sure you know I wouldn't mess around with your gut microbiome I would just went away and actually just tune into my own intuition and decided to just follow where I believed would greyhounds and you know fast forward three years as human studies showing exactly the same that so important folks on your gut health if you having immunotherapy so as not the it's not the my oncologist and the team. When in powered it was just that the science wasn't yet there and it's difficult for them to recommend things and they always have you know patient best interests at heart but it's just it's just a grey area isn't an example cited. You think you know if I hadn't done anything. Maybe I wouldn't be alive today. Maybe I spent about six months. Having the PREPO six pro. My Diet totally changed. It was my main focus. If I hadn't have done that you know. Why was it that I made into the kind of twenty five percent of people that complete response to immunotherapy in my head? I still believe it was focus on my gut microbiome. I'd say it was so any kind of level of that Seal Gut microbiome listening joker and trusting that in Jewish and unite. We have three right. And so we've got our head brain heart brain on my gut brain. I got brain is up the most powerful you know the gut brain is the first brand form in the win. So I feel like that's such alleman. The streets of people and that kind of guy around and sack was because again the Has a different opinion. Everyone has a different day. And actually it's kind of like what is it for you what you feel. How can you strip back those layers and really civic south and see what might resonate because the so much noise and also I think people can be as kind of always driven by fed? Not so I felt like maybe my doctors at that point were kind of driven by fair saying anything to upset me and sense of being proactive. But actually the opposite was the case. In my case I actually not being proactive was the thing that made me feel out of control so I think sometimes is that I want to say too much. But when we hear about doctors have come across the ever mentioned radical mission that Kelly Tanner when she went went around and interviewed those doctors. And she said have you using cases of people going into remission kind of spontaneous emission and they were said yes and she said had any of you documented it and they said no and it's that thing because we can't really we can't work out what we attributed t but that can give Sony people. This kind of based of the possibilities is being impulsive entities rather than abilities. Um That's another thing that I think you do with the festival. It's instilling some hope. Can people actually proposed the other day that said that of all? The fact is the human characteristics when you're looking at resilience. Hope is the factor that is most powerful match. She did a study in the room. In which is what I was treated with early stage breast cancer patients and those patients who had hope we're more likely to go into permission and not have a recurrence and I just think that's so interesting that they looked at other factors like grit and just kind of over wellbeing but yeah it was hoped that came out. The top factor. Anything that we can do to bring back hope into people's lives you know it's not a false positive because everybody who has cancer. It's you know we have such a negative bias. Anyway we immediately go to the worst case scenario. So it's not thank people. Yeah everything's fine. You're definitely going to survive. Because that's not a tool but it's just bringing them back from the depths of despair and fear which as rb and giving the potential of options another big factor is having raining and having a fight because of you know when you say why do you WanNa live. What is it you want to look for? Those can be quite big factors in that and empowering people is absolutely I think one of my favorite stages on the festival is actually the stage for thrive as panel all of these individual experiences individuals stories. What's worked what hasn't worked what they found. The hardest had a huge age fourth Riva's panel last year which was so good to see but yeah just the all those different perspectives is really important for people in the audience as well because it's so individual everyone's the council. They have the treatment they have experience. They have and you can resonate with everyone story a little bit and even if you can't you can learn something from it. Something they were really came. Status share is to get people to make it make a b. y. of bring your own us. It was great because last year oversee you gave me the space to bring some medical colleagues on and we had a wonderful panel on the difference between healing and curing both. Gp's you'd had cancer themselves as well and that was a great space to to invite other doctors to come and speak about how they feel what they feel is missing the healthcare world so I really think that brings his down onto patient level shows audience. You know all the same you know. Sometimes you elevate your doctor to oh slightly guru status when actually. We're all human. We can all get cancer. We will have the same fears worries and we all want to actually survive when it comes down to it. You know people who maybe ten the knows. Apple weren't interested in Hellenistic medicine. When she comes down to it. When your life is on the line it's amazing what people are suddenly can of tanning to and you become curious. I think most people I think you can get one or two rates county. Yeah definitely that they chew on other people will go down. Denial and just not be focusing on is is so many different writing the act. It's just providing that space if somebody does want to explore other options absolutely and again you meet like minded people because like everything in life. It's not just an eminence face kind of joins people have seminar kind of mindset. But it's just it's a big celebration and it's hard to describe what the festival match she can is and really when we say festival is kind of more of arrestable because I think perception of what a festival is it's massages says different therapies About relaxation and yeah rest and Digest. I love that kind of bringing everyone back into a more para sympathetic healings day the ultimate as what we will need. I just wanted to touch on. Obviously we've been talking a lot about how we can heal and what we can do to empower ourselves when we get cancer but at the other end of the spectrum is death which happens here it comes to this old. And he's a part of the festival you do in such a beautiful way. You know we ve very open conversations about death and dying and Palliative Care. But how how do you think that we could? Beth incorporate that into living because I think so often hidden isn't it and obviously as I said before with cancer. It's the first thing you you think of is. I'm I'm going to die. Have been diagnosed with cancer. I'm going to die and the so much fear around. What do you think we can do to better support people before? They're diagnosed really to make people live with an awareness of dying thumbing sense. We've kind of got US. Coach that we're afraid of endings and census and then death is the ultimate part of that on a day when. I don't want it's Endel when I've had a school that I wanted to end or I don't want this weekend's and always not wanting something to end I think when it comes to dying. The fair is really enhanced by the lack of compensation anything about it. There is adamant of the unknown which is where they can come in on a personal level. I think talking T- friends and family about it and opening up conversations at home and the other day as an example. I'm starting to feel with my parents. I thought it was a perfect opportunity. We just don't talk about death even to the point of what happened to me and everything that's been going on in friends dying and family dying. We just hasn't really been thing and I said to mom on us. Just kind of exploring thoughts on the topic I just said what would you want that point? How would you want your? We don't actually have to have a pheno about. How would you want that? Be and those kinds of things and she said well if I die and it was that moment of mum say but we are all going to die and some of us more aware of that others on the phone to Keto Mannix Adia today and we were talking. She with the end in mind. And she is a palliative care doctor and she was just talking about how many people have got in touch with her since she wrote that. Birkin just said you really changed the way that I doubt if my parents staff or how I was aware of what was happening at the final stages and I think people don't talk about the steps that happened before we die as well. Obviously there are deaths that happened that are messy and tricky and pain foods watch but she was saying and kind of a lot of cases. It's a very the pass and that's dying is I'm conscious and they kinda slip into this very deep sleep. A lot of us are afraid about what happens to the point of death and I think knowing this kind of how to how to step sieve. What might happen. What's be aware of how we can dye? Well I've got good friend that you've met a monk and he's been towed he's going to have surgeries coming up and he just kind of really casually said to me on the line the other day. Oh what I've been told. It could be about a year after that and I've never really heard anyone approach it in that way so at pace and exceptions that he's done a lot of being among can being in that kind of spiritual world approaches stuff newbury different way but I rarely fail. Its compensations. Isn't it I'm just speaking. Have you heard of just came to mind Bernie West? She's a Australian nurse who published article. I think in two thousand twelve just before diagnosed as the top five regrets of the dying and spirit Lee in the spiritual sphere things like you know. I really regret not living a life. That was true to me. Maybe kind of you know doing something that may be a parents that wanted to do and really coming back to what we talked by. The beginning is intuition. Living a life guided by your heart. And what's right for you? What's if you just when I read through that list? That was before my diagnosis. So how tragic to get to the end of your life and have with this heaviness. Will these regrets that you didn't live a life treat yourself I I? It's a tricky space to be when friends dying from something he had. It's not for everyone but often as now the thing. Tobago other than Braille and authentic. When it comes to it it comes the end. A lot of people will realize what's true to them at that point. I think that is the kind of that even felt when I was in the car with my parents they felt like if we talk about death. It would kind of make happen. Did you not brilliant book just for talking about a subject? I haven't had a chance to read it yet. But it's by a American physician positive care. Physician could be Jay Miller. And it's about the end of life and preparing for the end of life while you're well and I think at the back of it he's various tools and one of them as I think you meant to sit down with your family and go through brilliant tied to. I can't remember the name of it but goes through step by step. You know what you want at your funeral. What music you playing? What were your passwords are to various accounts and he said it so people go to their family. Members like guys were done for reading. I even tonight. We're going to sit down and plan that strike wherever you want to be in hospital at home if possible. He said You know. Everyone is really resistant to it. But actually as best thing we can do it was helps families because then they know actually what they're doing and how the supporting the person at the end of the life is exactly how they want and so often we just talk about them. Yes that preparation that can kind of USA help me get being present and we talk about having a great buzz and on all of the kind of steps that we want to put in place. It's kind of giving birth that we'd spoke very talks for now all of these elements but actually we don't we don't talk about dying and being out of just being in India for the past couple of months and it's fascinating that because life and death on visible. It's on every street. Is the place go Varanasi where people take their relatives to be put into the river there and does big ceremony? It's a big deal. We celebrate the life that was had and allows grief morning and I. I just heard that a friend had died of is not kind of in this really confused heavy space despite to found out there and he hit actually washed he said. I've washed around. Because such big thing weddings and funerals and India. Everyone comes together and he said I've watched one hundred bodies friends relatives and there are kind of they spend time with the body they wash. Everyone's involved as a community. And you have this kind of final piece of okay. This is what it's like and just kind of seeing that vessel whereas trusses is Kinda sanitize thing we don't see bodies put it that way and also even speaking today and to Catherine. Who is to doctor saying to her. That they haven't really been prepared to how to deal with it as such think on all levels they conversation. Easter is kind of like a death revolution and different countries. They have day of the dead where they celebrate relatives and ancestors and as time to honoring that whereas to us. Feel that grief. It's so isolating people avoid talking about the person that's died because worried that they're going to make the person who loved them remember? It's just as weird cycle of lack of conversation. Yeah yeah absolutely and I just you know when mutual friend of ours. I saw that you had posted the news on the new. I absolutely floored made a few weeks ago. I didn't shoot myself. It's the grief that shock that grief and friend was just such a special wonderful human. I just I. I left you that message. I left you a voice message during you in India and I couldn't speak because I realized I was crying so much and I thought should I send this. I kind of had a moment where I was like. I need to delete this message. I just get myself together and then send you another message much more composed. Do you know what actually I think I needed to send this and get my grief out outlast. I'm really sorry for kind of dumping that because I know that you. Nsm Space Bao's. Almost I wanted to to sham with you to give you permission back to share your with me because I was a heavy dumping instead. It was kind of a mutual space of of healing really beginning to heal in from from raising her. I needed that voice night so much because I had just been to the day of numbers already fading anything and hearing that just as you said it really allowed allowed me to fill under and able to kind sit with it so thank you good. I'm pleased because I wasn't sure after Preston I thought as the organizer and you're so brilliant at networking and connecting with people. I imagine just cancer has become almost PARV your day to day life. How'd you do with that? I found it incredibly difficult once I got into mission. I thought for a while I wanted to work because maybe a cancer coach because similar yourself. I just realized that wasn't enough support. That comes agents. I tried you know I did. What a few patients and I found it so difficult. I really realized that I wasn't able to my inbound and wasn't able to protect my energy and I as an impasse. I really felt for them and I just wanted to help them. In the editor. How do you begin to look after yourself and cope with what you're dealing with on a day-to-day basis? Oh I think it's one of the hardest parts of of over because you guy you guys recent and that's fine but we don't really talk about the father and friends and people you may on the way they're going to die and that's kind of the big challenge and to be honest and I'm I don't know still working at our as I go along. I do have quite a few different things I for self care and a really big factor and I realized that because I think every month over the past two years someone diving relatively coasters died and even been asked to coach a few people who've been dying. They've wanted that kind of space to talk about that process towards the end and felt at the beginning. I thought how can I catch when I know that there it? Just yeah there is the side of why said about death being so Braille and making people sick and I think that's the thing that I love a deep conversation and going quite with people so we can kind of life and those steps and intensive protection. It's hot and then I do have moments where I think right Scott identing I can continue this or anything I can do this and then I just got back reminder of those funds you have died this is what they would strive into. That kind of memory is also motivating but Spain. A prices of reconnecting nation Stephanie. I think I've been quite disconnected as easy to feel numb when it happens. Quite regularly of you drool some parallels just working as adult between hospital. I remember the first time I was cool to see a dead body. Basically do this man. And it was that low. It was really surreal. I was you know. Nudie qualified doctor had never seen a dead body perform. And then you're being asked to stand with this body. You put the curtain around you and you just have this moment of you. And and the person did he feel like anything is. Did you feel like this? You know this so who got no it. Didn't it fell. I actually whispered to the iconic from member said by whispered something you know your pace now like go with love you know. Be at peace something. I just felt that they were still there. And you know you really don't we don't know for sure what senses we we just as. I just want to let them know that I was there. Also is about to unite looking. There is the torch and you know I felt like I was kind of intriguing on on them even though they will see dead is just. It's way really strange thing to do something that doctors don't really talk about. And and let you just said you you if you do it enough times you miss become nominal bit desensitize which is actually a real shame. Because and other coaches we don't just have the body do cook assessment and then we will the most the mall. They may be a covered in flowers and celebration starts the moment they die and we just don't do that in this country so for me. I found it. I've always found a very very strange. Surreal moment but just when I try and do with love and by being there with them just offer them love because I think it can be quite a faithful moment as well if you haven't seen a dead body before as well. Yeah it's IT'S I. I can't say I ever got used way. It's very very surreal experience. Yeah I don't know when we started or how long we've been this and even offenders saying that she has heard that's pheno and her stepmom turned to her and just said stiff upper lip when she was crying. And I don't know when we started to not express maybe it goes again back to the wall when there were sewn people who killed that we kind of developed this coach where we don't talk about the grief and the loss. Dan Definitely will in your own way. I hope you know that you are changing the speaker because the fact that we now have a festival is cool. You taste fast. Listrik Health and Cancer Awareness Festival. And that you do that you don't ignore that death is part of this is absolutely brilliant. We don't know we don't. It's the great mystery. We don't know what happens as listening to someone the other day those who are most afraid of dying most afraid of living and I have to say the me up into twenty three and actually. That's that's not true. Probably even up until on say up until two years ago. My biggest fair was dining. It was that thing of just the complete or nine. We still have extra crater. When I was younger and I used to be absolutely terrified of being next to that of these. It was just strange. It's kind of disconnected from it suggests circling background the festival. What's what's next because you've always the next one coming up in a few months on your back in you. Can't you planning and I imagine being incredibly busy? So what's going on? Took and cheese not be realized in eastern again right so what's happening so if apparent and on before which is going to be it's going to be pretty much a coup on kind of piecing together. I think fillets bet I could kind of lineup puzzle of putting the bits together. Suwalki on the workshops and the talks at the moment system exciting music vets. And so that's going to be in July the date anyone who's not being since July two thirds we kinda hyphen on day. Friday night with the big Welcome faced a music and then the fourth and the fifth the talks and workshops and different activities that are going on this year we got things like Ariel Yoga which is exciting and a fantastic lineup of different speakers heights later hellenistic hitting projects involve. I'm going to be there definitely. I wouldn't miss the I just. I absolutely love I love. This is so important. I just want anyone listening. Who either has come so it was previously cancel. Know someone with cancer to come along because angel anyone who's interested in house as well I go friends come and none of them really have been connected to the space and they just say that these changes and I feel really great whether it's just kind of Maybe taking a probiotic thinking particularly around Mental House. At the end of the day everything we do for prevention and at quality of life and whether it's preventing recurrence whatever stage for is things we can do generally to be well and get the most out of my lines so good just have interest. I'd love tonight. You have a favorite part of the festival. I'm going to say. Do you have favorite speaker? That'd be me say that. Would you mean in terms of the different areas? Yeah is there one area that you're really proud of own? Something you feel is really needed or just just that you like hanging out in the most I guess on instead of saying just people hang out together and that the fun is just the Pathak site for it because it's just stunning trees. And everything just kind of clicks together and already Duffy Way and is the element of nature and calming being there. Like you said it is that helping people dropped into power sympathetic and rest and Digest. So what's next for you? I mean obviously I appreciate your pugh festival in the next months. Anything else coming up. Yeah I'm kind of landing after India so as a meditation teacher training and was setting breath work. I thought those two tools for the things that really got me through a lot of things and I wanted to kind of GonNa put something together with those two. Maybe a retreat. Maybe a bresser meditation definitely in the UK fitting really joined kind of exploring the change in seasons that we have kind of connecting was that we have outside. I'm what's happening of nature and doing something. Maybe around kind of autumn kind of that that transition time from summer to autumn. So yeah definitely doing. More breath work originally. I have this kind of idealistic thing. Let's make everything accessible and kind of free to but you have to be ready to stick in sustaining funds and keeping stuff going but I want to event today. A red is a one kind of de something around providing and teaming up with friends in the space of Dan kind of breath work meditation for kind of figured and offering its people and communities for example he refugee communities has mazing projects and undone with people get to refugees and was so kind of. Didn't think just the power getting back. Your body retook we go. There's the book keep score and everything and breath work fills that not really sustainable. Hailing to that people can use to connects back in themselves and particularly for me. I thought I lived. I was really disconnected from my buddy. I want to start something that is kind of breath back. Forget that we do breeding sessions in communities for. Maybe people who've been affected by trauma affects knife crime in London and people who might not accessing toes. Such a brilliant idea definitely and in terms of the festival. You're going to keep running. Every year was this can be the last year. What your thoughts on handy and I didn't I was at the end of this. Yes we will least for the next two years and then alongside that I wanna be gag creating something. That's the kind of blend of coaching breath. Meditation I'm so pleased you exist and you're doing this west quays on fleshy honestly as nearly dynamics cancer patient is so lost and alone and I was so overwhelmed by all of the kind of potential things could be doing to help myself. I became paralyzed with not knowing what to do a wet turn. And I just think you've created the most brilliant space to help people learn and become empowered and feel supported in loved. See what you're doing is just amazing. I know I speak on behalf of so many people attended and every everyone I speak to. You just says the biggest. Thank you t full creating the space. I really appreciate hearing that because I think it is the thing when you say in urbanizing and I knew and you don't really see outside of that and it's those reminded hearing from people that you and things that may keep going tonight. It's a key on united fading. Because me too. I'm always voter the hype and inspiration from dating site on very grateful. Thank you so free and so just to finish. I always ask my guests. Ask What is healing into you? Missed IT heaving definitely being learn team is. The many years had a bit of a kind of fit and goatee or failing. Just hudler feelings of shame. We're just different. Inner voices happening and so elicit caning is definitely becoming on my team and even kind of my best friends with a narrative and just embracing embracing the uncomfortable parts of life and being present do instead of disconnecting. Nothing is kind of leaning into what we're being asked to learn in each moment yeah embracing failings and honus and I lost it and say that saying and I definitely did this in the dark. He was the night say stepping into both sides of that how Sophie I love that. Thank you so much for sharing. Thank he thank you for having me. Thank you so much. It seems so lovely to reconnect with you and of see. I cannot wait for the festival. It's wonderful in his to his goodness ahead. Wonderful Take Him love. Today's if you'd like to take a deep dive into your healing and transformation I would love to invite you to join me on. Retreat EMBODIED APRIL. The reconnection retreat is being held in. Hobart between the Eighteenth and the twenty eight four and we still have a few spaces left. If you're feeling a bit stuck maybe going through a life transition or maybe you just want to connect with your essence and come back alive. Then this retreat might be exactly what you're looking for. The reconnection is a journey from disconnected to reconnected nourished and aligned through yoga. Meditation Breath Work Movement and other unique workshops trips and ceremonies. We help guide you back to yourself after old. The relationship with yourself is the most important one you will ever have so many of us are disconnected and we just need that time and space to find ourselves. We tap into. What's true for US? And then we can go back out into the world and shine choice expression so if you're interested please get in touch. She can head on over to my website at Dr Lauren. Mcdonald dot com forward slash retrieve all the retreat details and otherwise. You Send me a message. Either via instagram or an email and I can get back to you. I really hope you can join us in Bali and April. Please remember that whilst I am a qualified medical doctor. I am not your medical doctor so whilst we often talk about health and wellbeing and we give out tools and tips and someone's discussed topics a little bit fringe alternative. This is very much for information. Only is not individual medical device. So please if you have any health concerns. Make sure you're going to see your practitioner.

cancer US Listrik Health and Cancer Awar Sophie India Cancer Awareness Festival South America UK Sony Surrey Columbia Dr Lauren McDonald Murray Ray View Dan Burger King International Women Tobago Cancer Awareness Festival
Week In The News: Coronavirus Surge, Primary Elections, Biden's Climate Plan

On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

47:35 min | 2 weeks ago

Week In The News: Coronavirus Surge, Primary Elections, Biden's Climate Plan

"From NPR. In WVU ARE BOSTON. I'm Anthony Brooks and this is on point happy. Friday everybody this hour. We're digging into the big stories of the week beginning with the pandemic yesterday, the US shattered. It's single day record with seventy, five thousand six hundred new cases of covid nineteen. CDC Director Robert Redfield. Warn of the double whammy of Covid and the flu. This fall I am worried. I do think the fall and winter two, thousand, twenty and twenty twenty one I'm going to be the probably one of the most difficult times that we've experienced. In American public health, because of what you said, the CO occurrence of covid and influenced. At the white. House President Trump held a news conference earlier in the week to talk about China, but it turned into a free flowing stream of consciousness address that included attacks on his democratic opponents. You know what they've done in Washington. Have some. Incredible example right here example. I know of one example I think they have a number of them, but one is incredible and Vice President Biden unveiled a two trillion dollar infrastructure plan that he said would fight climate change and create jobs and Donald Trump thinks about climate change. The only word he can muster is hoax. About climate change. Word I think jobs. and. We're digging into the week in the news, the big stories this hour on point and with me from Falls Church Virginia Lisa Desjardins correspondent of the PBS News Hour Lisa. Great to have you. Thanks for joining us. Anthony Glad to be here and Jane Costa Jones us from Washington, she senior politics reporter at Vox Jane Welcome to you as well happy Friday. Thanks so much for having me, so let's begin I'm afraid it's grim news this week about the pandemic yesterday. For the first time, the U. S. recorded thousand cases in one day Texas and Florida each recorded more than ten thousand. Kovic nineteen cases in one day the death toll at one, hundred, thirty, eight thousand continues to rise lease I'll start with you. I mean fair to say this pandemic I mean. What can we say? It continues to rage. Out of control in most American States. We'll. It is important to say that this is a continuation, but it's really more than that. This is the virus picking up speed in this country that those numbers of cases that are records that you talked about a second ago. That's really twice. The number of cases that we saw just a few weeks ago, so that was already a high level that was already level. This country did not want now. We're at twice the level of what it was. We do not have a national strategy and we still see some states continuing. Continuing reopening policies a lot of times we talk about the hot spots because they do shift with this virus, but one thing that's important to realize right now. The is that forty one states have seen increased cases in the last two weeks, so while there are some places where it is worse, this virus is gaining ground in almost in most of the country right now, Jane. What are you seeing as general observation just to kick us off in terms of the way, this pandemic is you know really moving ahead aggressively. It's interesting. If you look at global trends outside of a couple of countries like New Zealand which took very firm action very early on and still have essentially closed their borders. We're saying Barcelona for instance is going back in the lockdown, and some of the states that we thought early in this pandemic had experienced the worst of the outbreak, but then we're you know the cases were starting to Peter off, are starting to experience cases again, including New York state for example, and so it's fascinating, because as the infection rate is growing, that means that more young people are being infected, which should mean based on what we know that the infection rate is. The number of deaths and infections might be increasing, but not among younger people. Let's keep in mind that many of the people who are still most at risk or people in nursing homes and people long term care facilities, including folks with disabilities I think are kind of ignored population in this conversation, but it does seem as if this is the kind of thing that we're going to be fighting for at least another year or so, I think that there is a sense from the White House that if you can catch, essentially declare the war on corona virus over we can get back to quote unquote normal, but what normal looks like we might not see that until twenty twenty two. And You mentioned the response from the White House and I WANNA. Get to that, but I want to ask you both about sort of the the varied responses from different states I'm speaking to you from Boston Massachusetts Massachusetts along with some other northeastern states saw terrible spikes in March, but since then have managed to bring the numbers down Lisa. You mentioned I think it was Lisa mentioned that we're seeing. Some numbers creep back up in New York but my question is it. I'll start with you, lisa in terms of what's happening in the northeast. Does that suggest a path for other states, or is there any good news anywhere? What what what do you think? Well, it's possible I. Mean You look at Maine? For example Maine has had made as fortunate borders, only one other state, but they have a for example required testing of anyone who enters a state as a tourist who stays in a facility there They've had some very significant quarantines that maybe we should look at, but you know I think what Jane said is right that this moves around, and we're not paying attention, perhaps you all the populations that we need to, but there's one big factor we know. We know that masks work and we know that there are not. Not Masked mandates in most of the country now, and in fact, there's not even necessarily encouragement of Warren masks in every place, so that's something that we really need to hear more about from our leadership, and while the president has worn a mask now in public at least once, it's not something that he's talking about is not something that he's charging Americans to do on potentially as a patriotic duty, so that's a missing piece of all this. As of course is testing, which we are still far behind the world. Who've been this four months. We still don't have. Access to testing for most Americans and we don't have contact tracing. Those are the ways as John was talking about. When you look at the global response, countries that have done well have used those tools and those are tools. These countries still does not have on a really large scale James speaking of wearing masks. It's such a basic idea I'm struck by the fact that Robert, Redfield, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control said this week I. Think the ABC News. said that if everyone wore a mask, we could end this pandemic and four to eight weeks and yet. Is Lisa just said you know? This is still being debated around the country or or isn't being embraced uniformly. I think that that's one of the challenges of experiencing a public health crisis in real time when we think about previous pandemics or epidemics, we have the benefit of hindsight so when we're thinking back to say the beginnings of the HIV crisis. We look back on those early days of calling HIV. Grid Gay Related Infectious Diseases says like how people have possibly thought that, but let's go back to earlier this year when we heard from many medical professionals, that masks weren't necessary that masks weren't. Mass might actually be a bad idea, not just because they might having too. Many masks might mean that medical professionals gonNA. Get them, but you individuals that need them focusing to be on social distancing, and that's an entirely normal part of public health is for to for public health officials to change their minds based on new information. which is what I hope everyone does, but I think that that viewpoint change. It's really hard to get individuals and communities to shift quickly when it comes to this kind of. Area of concern and especially because of the wonders of federalism. Let's keep in mind. That public health is the responsibility of individual states. It is not technically something. The federal government could not enforce a mask mandate nationwide, and so you're having individual states individual communities having these internal conversations. We've seen that in Georgia for instance. When the mayor of Atlanta wanted to enforce a mask mandate after she and her family contracted covid nineteen, the state governor has is suing her because he has an executive order saying you cannot put in place a mask mandate so. One of the challenges about Croona virus is that Corona virus has meshed upon existing faultlines in our politics and our culture, and this is just another example it's. It's quite an example. I WanNa talk a little bit about the white. House response to this news this week, and specifically there seemed to be a concerted effort from the White House to discredit Anthony Fauci, the country's top, a public health official. Peter. Navarro President Trump's top advisor on trade wrote an editorial that attacked out. She's saying among other thing quote. He's been wrong about. I've interacted with him on unquote now. Interestingly USA, today which published the pieces, since said it didn't meet the paper's fact, checking standards, but before we get to that. Lisa. What's what's the game here? Why is Navarro A in parts of the White House going after like this? Well. It's clear that you know the narratives are different. You know they're. They're saying they don't always say different things, but. They certainly have different wh things that they are prioritizing and focusing on. She has said the things that we heard from Jane that this crisis could go on for quite a long time. Even a vaccine does appear by the end of the year or beginning of next year. We've got a long way to go. The White House is instead trying to say and Navarro, saying no, it is not that bad. It is time to reopen their focus. More on the economy vouches focus more on the health crisis, and those two narratives go different ways, so there's a reason that the. The White House is pushing back, but it is notable that FAO G WHO's our top infectious disease. Expert has not actually spoken to the president in months, so it also tells us something about the information that the president and potentially Navarro have about the health aspects of this crisis and what they're looking at it. They're not necessarily looking at the data in the way that found she is. They're looking at what they want to happen. which is the economy to reopen, and that could be just a very tricky decisions that are made about public health, but not based on public health. I was struck by that Jane Lisa mentioned that She hasn't spoken to the president in months. I mean. What's your reaction to that? Because to me, that just seems mind boggling. I think that trump's understanding was that. Corona virus would be a distinct problem, a distinct problem with a beginning a middle and an end and so I think that what you've seen from the White House is a real urged to move on, and that's not reflective of national opinion. It's interesting to me that the American populace has been far more conservative with regard to krona virus than the administration has been then. I think some of our leading. Thinkers in public life have been. You're hearing from Americans that they're still not going to public events. They do not want to go to indoor dining facilities, and they're very concerned about sending their back to school while also recognizing that they very much want to send their children back to school and so I think that uh, my colleague Dylan. Scott wrote a really smart on the White House's war on Doctor FAUCI and He wrote that as an earthy but authoritative voice on the coronavirus pandemic felt she inadvertently broke the first rule of the trump White House no one gets to outshine the president and I think we've seen this time and again Roy. J hold that thought because we're coming up on a break, but we'll come back to this Jane Poston a Vox Lisa Desjardins of the PBS news hour. We're talking about the week in the news. I'm Anthony Brooks this is on point. This is on point. I'm Anthony Brooks and it's our Friday weaken review. I'm joined by Jane. Coast of Fox and Lisa Desjardins of the PBS news hour and I wanted to do. introduce now. Sewell Chan. He joins us from Los Angeles. Editorial page editor of the Los Angeles. Times sewell great to have you. Thanks for joining us. Thank you Hello Anthony Hello to you and before I come to I wanna go back to Jane. Because Jane I cut you off there before the break, but you're making an important point about the disconnect between the White, house and Anthony Fauci the nation's top health expert public health expert. Yeah I think that one of the challenges that we're facing right now. Is that Dr Fauci as my colleague? Don Scott, wrote essentially broke the first rule of trump, which is that no one gets to outshine him. We saw that a little bit earlier in the administration with Steve Bannon. If you'll recall that all of the news stories about Steve Bannon being the secret power behind the White House, so enraged trump that Steve Bannon was then pushed out of the White House. The idea of anyone being more important or more visible within this White House then trump is deeply irritating to him, and I think it's especially because. IS NOT ATTEMPTING TO PARLAY HIS His. His ideas or the science into something. That's insanity entirely going to make the administration happy. I'm sure he would love to be able to say that. We should open everything up right now, but that's not what he can say. Based on the science, and this is someone who has worked on numerous pandemics was key to the NIH is work against HIV AIDS in the late nineteen eighty s and early nineteen nineties, right? Yeah, I mean science, and and the facts around science aren't always convenient in a sort of political environment, so let me come to you. What what are you observe from California in terms of this clash between cheap and the White House? Point out is that you know not to be too technical the touch, technically the top the nation's top infectious disease expert, public health messages should be coming out of the CDC, but sadly both the CDC, and the NIH to varying extents, really disempowered in this whole matter. We've just been hearing, and it's part of an I would argue a broader rejection of science rejection of expertise and rejection of medical and an anti authority that has actually been really going on for quite some time. I think it's extremely worrisome. I'm I think here, you, Anthony. You asked how it's being played out in California. I think it's extremely worrisome it's We're definitely a peak The the state is basically. Virtually back on lockdown, and unfortunately there continued to be county by county severe differences for example in Orange County. Where mask usage is much less that neighbouring Los Angeles California La County with ten million people is the largest county in the nation so to have a very large county. Right next to it with different rules. You know that probably is quite We're seeing elsewhere. The Nation State by State Divisions, can you? Assume go into a little bit of detail here. What did Governor Gavin Newsom? Actually Order the week in terms of of sort of pulling back on the opening up I. Guess is the best way to describe it. What? What did he actually? What did he actually do? This week so two weeks ago, you ordered ours indoor restaurant dining and most of the state to be shot this week. He ordered the rest of the state, also close bars, indoor dining rooms, and then the hardest hit counties which are home to eighty eight percent of the state's population. You also ordered the shutdown of businesses such as Jim's malls nail salons. Air Salons, etcetera. Wow I mean. This is something I mean. Is he being blamed for not doing something more? More aggressive, earlier or sort of how? How's this being received? In California, Hard to generalize for the nation's largest shape, but I would say that the governor we've got a lot of credit for being the first governor, the nation to kind of order a statewide lockdown very early on. And I think the the questions right now or whether the attempt reopen was too soon too fast right so jane listening to. I mean this is. This is the challenge that has bedeviled so many states opening too fast too soon, right? Yeah and it's it's particularly impactful on states like Georgia for example which. Around April twenty third was talking about reopening and talking about you, saying that Nail Care Artis as the titians massage there is could reopen on Friday April, twenty, three, twenty four. This was in April. That's months ago and we're still in this midst of. You when you get the pandemic under control, and you think that it's time to reopen. Because small businesses are suffering, we might be seeing as many as six sixty thousand small businesses closing. During this year as a result of the coronavirus pandemic, and you're seeing states like Georgia saying okay you. It looks like we've got this under control. We're going to start reopening. And then the caseload starts to expand, and then hospitals start getting overwhelmed, and you're seeing governor Kemp saying at saying essentially pleased wear masks this you know he in a quote. He said it's the community that defeats this this virus, not government, but then he adds. We need younger Georgians to recognize the importance of public health guidance, and so they're very much is a sense from local officials that look. We really really want you to do this thing, but we're. We're not going to mandate it because we're concerned about the economic impact, so I am actually it's been fascinating because I think that California had been a relatively bright spot in this conversation, but you're also seeing San Francisco and other cities that it seemed as if had a really good hold over the pandemic, having to go back towards some of the earlier phase, one phase, two mandates with regard to opening facilities, because again cases keep increasing. That's one of the challenges that this pandemic is extraordinarily virulent, and especially with the existence of symptomatic carriers, people who may have corona virus, but don't exhibit any symptoms and thus don't know to. Stay away from other people to continue wearing face masks, or to self quarantine, going to keep seeing an expansion of cases with millions of people infected, and really sadly thousands of people dying. I want to ask all three of you about what I thought was a really provocative piece from Maryland governor Larry Hogan in the Washington Post. This Week Governor Hogan is a Republican governor and he he he essentially published a piece that said why didn't Donald? Trump helped my state with a corona virus testing. He says trump downplayed the severity of the corona virus, leaving states to come up with their own testing strategies and supplies, and it's this idea that states are really on their own and I know Jane you mentioned that of course is a federal system police. Let me come to you on this this idea. I mean i. just feel like this has. Explains so much why this country is in the position it's in because there's this hodge podge of approaches state by state, which seems to really be making this situation so much worse and not necessarily so maybe that that wasn't extraordinary op Ed. Governor Hogan has talked about this before, but not ever been so specific, and what he's saying is not only that there's a lack of a national strategy, but he was also saying in some cases the actions are in action by the trump White House actually made things more difficult for states that it. It wasn't just that there wasn't a strategy helping states, but it was actually making. Making state things more difficult. In his example. He was working overtime to try and get some tests from South Korea which he was able to get but he was concerned that the federal government would seize those tests. He actually posted National Guard troops from Maryland to guard them but but his his larger point and I think that Hogan himself also is not someone who wants. A muscular federal government to take over state functions, but I think what these states are saying is without some basic national strategies. We're competing against each other, and and we're not able to put down this virus in a national way. Because it's a national problem, you can stamp it out in one place. It will pop out in another place, and he's saying that the lack of really addressing or acknowledging the problem is just the beginning of the issues for governors. Very significant op-ed. The White House is saying in the past. Hogan has complimented the president's and they're saying that this criticism should be rejected. However, it is a very. It's a fascinating read really as You know you mentioned. The states are left to sort of compete with each other in some cases to compete with the federal government I. Mean I remember. This was A couple of months back. our governor here in Massachusetts Charlie Baker another Republican talked about the challenge of landing the bid for example for protective equipment they were sometimes competing against the government, the federal government which had much bigger. Lot more muscle in terms of landing that bid. It was a real source of frustration sewell I'd like to ask you about that. This idea I mean I'll read you just a bit of what governor Hogan said so every every governor went their own way without a sort of fifty state strategy. Every governor went their own way, which is how the United States ended up with such a patchwork. Response your thoughts. I'd covering entirely right and you know in. To look at it. Fully and fairly you know part of it could be. That the system encourages decentralisation Janine. Enter. Landy has a new article in the New York Times that talks about why America's failing controlling the pandemic and part of the points out the CDC is it is the the you know kind of national. You Know Public Health and Epidemiology Agency of the United States but it can only of treat states as clients. It can't really compel the states to even furnish data, but that happened. When said it no excuse. There has not been a coordinated hole of. response to this pandemic in terms of the marshalling of resources, the messaging for what people should do. And the. And the concentration of you know will and personnel that would be needed to fight this, and I, think that fragmentation of government it. Right, now is really going to be the big takeaway from this. Because the countries and really were at this point by far the worst off of the developed nations in terms of our our response to this we may have to ask some hard questions in the long run about whether you know aspects of our public health system, or even setup correctly and resource correctly. Well I want to move on and talk about some other stuff beyond the pandemic including president, trump's a press conference on Tuesday at the White. House He got a lot of ground He talked about China. He talked about the coronavirus. He talked about Joe Biden at one point suggesting that if Biden followed through on his climate and infrastructure plan. Would call for that called for drastic reduction in carbon emissions. It would essentially mean meany. Abolish windows. Here's a little bit of what the President set. That basically means no windows. No nothing? It's very hard to do. I tell people when they want to go into some of these buildings. How your eyes because they won't be good in five years. And hope you don't mind. Cold Office space in the winter and warm office space in the summer. Because your air. Conditioning is not the same as the good old days. President trump there on Tuesday Jane coast. And what was your takeaway from what the president said? What the president set out to say what he ended up saying. It seemed to go on a lot of different directions press conference. It's interesting because I. think that you provided a very a very good summary of what the press conference could have been, but perhaps not what it actually was. For instance trump said that Joe Biden had gone so far right when he clearly meant left and accused Bryden of wanting to abolish the suburbs, and then I have to I, have to quote directly. We have great agreements were went by Obama used to bring killers out. They would say. Don't bring them back to our country. We don't want them what we have to. We don't want them. They wouldn't take them now with us. They take them someday. I'll tell you why some day I'll tell you. Why, but they take them and they take them very gladly used to bring them out, and they wouldn't even let the airplanes land. They brought them back by our plans, and it's interesting because when you. You read the exact commentary made by trump. It start sounding more like beat poetry and less like speech, especially, because this was supposed to be a conversation about others aimed at China to punish it for what was taking place in Hong Kong, the oppression of Hong Kong citizens, and it turned into a stream of consciousness that was vaguely campaign related, but vaguely unrelated to really anything taking place right now, and so I think that it's worth having the conversation about what he was attempting to discuss for instance, climate, change, or corona, virus or China, but what he actually said is so unhinged from anything that we're attempting to discuss it all. It's really interesting. So what did you hear in that press conference? Well my main thought at this moment is I'm really glad Jane went I got questions. I think she nailed. It I think that was the right quote and I think. I to to that expand a little bit. There are many different trump's that come to the microphone. Right and I think that one observation there's there's a lot to think about that news conference a lot about. Sort of approaches his job. What he thinks is important what he's thinking about what he even understands to be real or true, but one other factor to keep in mind is that he has not. He's only had one campaign rally. Since this pandemic began, that was in Tulsa, and clearly this is someone who does not do. He has different. I'll say in front of a crowd that is not friendly and reporters are not going to applaud him. They're not. Not There to support him. They are there to listen and get answers. The next day he had a different event at the White House with a friendly crowd with when he talked about his effort to take down regulation, which is another very good topic and it was a very different energy from the president. He was more focus. You seem to stay more on script built certainly not onscreen the whole time, but it wasn't that same sort of meandering. Seemingly lost in the lights kind of verbiage that we saw when he didn't have a supportive crowd. I think this is a president who is a showman, and when he doesn't have a responsive crowd, you you see him. Really, get lost in his own words. Let's talk about one of the things that he was ostensibly there to talk about and that is a US. Policy Toward China so the administration this week said it's considering a new. Get tough measures against China including a travel ban on Chinese Communist Party members and on Wednesday Secretary of State Mike. POMPEO Warren China about its efforts to dominate the south. China Sea. Here's pump Pale. If Beijing violates international, law and free nations do nothing that shows that the will simply take more territory. That happened in the last administration. Are Statement give significant support to OSCE leaders who have declared that the south China. Sea disputes must be resolved through international law not might makes right. What the CCP does to the Chinese, people is bad enough, but the free world shouldn't tolerate Beijing's abuses as well so so we'll channel. Come to you on this. The the trump administration, considering sweeping back on I mean big big restrictions on travel. To the US by members of the Chinese Communist Party what's your response to that and what? The administration is trying to accomplish here? I think the trump administration is well. There is an escalating kind of Cold War essentially emerging between the United States and China, and it's very very unfortunate, and it's marked by you know jubilee to some extent, largely economic rivalry, but I think is gone on for quite some time, and it's really important to look. I'm happy to get too far on a moment, but it's really happy. You know important to look at the context here. The US and China the US largely pursued a policy of I'm opening markets, China and opening itself to Chinese students Chinese ideas Chinese technology. Definitely helping China in two, thousand, two, thousand, one to enter the WTO. That was obviously under end of Clinton so really for at least four to six presidencies. You know there has been effort to engage in China. There's an emerging bipartisan sense in Washington and elsewhere that that engagement has not been working, so I think that context is important to mention now. The question is whether I'm going to have to jump in because we're coming up against a break, but I wanNA. Thank you for joining us today. That Sewell Chan editorial page editor for The Los Angeles Times. It was great to have you. Thank you for being with us and Jane coasting and Lisa Desjardins, stick with us. There's ahead. We're going to get into politics I the brooks. This is on point. This is on point. I'm Anthony Brooks talking about the week in review the the news of the week, my guests Jane Costa Vox and Lisa Desjardins, if the PBS news hour I wanNA move on Jane Leeson Politics and talk about presidential politics, specifically beginning with plans by the Republican Party to to scale back the Republican. National Convention in Jacksonville Florida next month this of course because of the pandemic. Florida now a hotspot. President, trump of course had been counting on a big raucous convention. It was planned for North Carolina, but after Governor Roy Cooper pushed back on that idea that Republicans headed to Florida, but the state is now one of the epicenters, so where do. Where do we end up at least in terms of a RNC in Jacksonville, what's up? We end up with a lot of reporters trying to figure out if they should get tickets, not scrubbing the same discussion here. So I think where where the RNC the Republicans are, they have said now that they are going to limit the first three days of the Convention to twenty five hundred people each, which sounds like a very large amount, inner pandemic, it is much smaller than the fifty thousand or more. That would usually be at a convention daily, so there's obviously a lot to discuss their, but that's what they're doing. Vinyl Day when the president is set to speak is set to be seven thousand people. Now we have yet to hear officially, but the understanding is, there may be masked. Requirements in addition. They're looking for an outdoor venue. Which of course many people have commented in Florida in? August is not ideal, but this is where they are right now. The Democrats at the same time I obtained an email other reporters that was. was sent to congressional officials by the Democratic Party last night, saying they have also made a decision, they are asking. They are telling members of Congress not to come to the convention at all not Suwalki right that is to be Milwaukee. Wisconsin, that's right so essentially Democrats are now telegraphing that they may not have any in person events that look like a regular convention. We're still waiting to see what kind of events they have. The candidate Biden himself has said he will accept the nomination there. We expect some speech in there will be vice presidential nominee. They'll be a lot of interest in that, but it looks like Democrats are moving toward. Maybe the smallest footprint day can have in Milwaukee, and and we're not really sure what that looks like at all, but it will likely be many fewer people. Far Fewer people than the Republicans are moving toward right now. So, Jane. Let's stick with the Republicans. How big a blow is this to president trump? Because? Of course he's itching for an opportunity to get before a big crowd. You mentioned that before the last break. Just how important. This is part of his oxygen. Right I think it's incredibly important, and it's worth noting that the entire reason why the convention was pulled out of Charlotte was because Democratic Governor Roy. Cooper had said Organiz you have to adhere by a strict social distancing guidelines, and the Republican National. Committee would rather not do that, but now moving the Jacksonville. They are facing the fact that they will indeed have to abide by some of these rules and you. Limiting attendance for the first three days to delegates, only which is about twenty five hundred people, which is as Lisa, pointed out a large number of people, and then for the final day, having six seven thousand people, but I think underestimated element of this is that there's been a lot of conversation about holding events outside and holding a large event in Jacksonville and August outside to sounds deeply unpleasant. And especially with the idea of extreme weather, let's keep in mind if there's not enough happening that we are going to be entering hurricane season soon, so it's worth noting that the Jacksonville is further north in the state and not as vulnerable to hurricanes, extreme weather, Tam happen so I think this is a big challenge between this is is the difference between what trump wants to see what trump may actually get, and while trump what trump wanted was the ultimate coronation of his incumbency, and what he might get is a pretty relatively small convention that does the work of these conventions are supposed to do which is to nominate their candidate and to agree on a party platform. You mentioned outside events in Jacksonville. I've heard as well among other things I may be wrong about this, but I think I'm right. In August in Jacksonville outside. So that would be. That would be pretty pretty uncomfortable. I want to move on and talk about other political news. There were some important primary, so here's former GOP senator and former trump attorney general jeff sessions. He lost his bid to reclaim his Senate seat in the Alabama primary and is in his concession speech. He defended his decision to recuse himself from the Russian. Serious. On recusals followed the law. I did the right thing and I saved the president's Bacon in the process. Any other action to try to squelch an investigation in that environment would not have worked. It really would have been a catastrophe, so jeff sessions was beaten by a former football coach. Tommy to Brazil president trump had thrown his weight behind a tub. REVEAL IS A to cover Ville. I'm sorry I should know that Lisa. What's your response to this race? Because boy? Jeff sessions took a licking from president. Trump and president. Trump did as much as he could to make sure he wasn't going to get this Senate seat back. The story of Jeff sessions is sort of like a a Greek epic tale of a politician. This is someone who was actually the first senator to stick his neck out four candidate Donald. Trump used the first senator to endorse Donald Trump. That's why he became attorney general for many. In March, part and then look at how the relationship completely undermined sessions future. He got one of his dream. Jobs is a G. HE wanted to be a judge, but that didn't happen, but then he had to lose that job. Because of the person who supported as president. You know I think what's interesting here is this sort of gives me opportunity to talk? Talk about something that might not get enough attention, which is the down ballot races here in Alabama is is a red state that has a Democratic senator right now, and that is a seat the Democrats really WANNA hold onto. It's not clear if they have a chance yet or not. In that state, we're GONNA see a but more importantly right now. Many races in. In, the Senate are moving Democrats directions. Democrats feel very strongly that can take back the Senate and just today when we're looking at the House Democrats should be on defense in the house. They won so many races in twenty eighteen many incumbents there in purple districts that should be difficult to defend, but instead the wind blowing the other way today the cook political report. report, which is one of the biggest ratings groups that looks at where races stand moved twenty races toward Democrats, nine includes some races that should be swing races where Republicans should have a good chance. Instead they're now moving solidly Democrat seats all across the country Nebraska the Mid West. Also in the south on North North Carolina so what we're seeing a real. Political Problems Republicans up and down the ballot interesting. Jane I want to stick stick with Alabama's Tommy Tucker Ville. By the way I apologize for mispronouncing his name, he's going to be challenging. The incumbent Doug Jones Democrat who is considered vulnerable. Wh what you see down there in that race. It's interesting because I've always said that it would be great to have a political race that were largely settled on the issue of college, football and I appear to have gotten my wish. And, it's actually because revolt experience is purely in. He's never been elected to office before, but he is very well known in the area because he was a Auburn's football coach, and it was interesting because trump endorsed him in March saying he was a terrific head football coach at Auburn, which anyone remembers the two thousand eight Auburn season, which they finished five and seven, and lost to vanderbilt, and played a three two game against Mississippi State. That was downright unwatchable. That description is a little arguable, but it's interesting. You've seen the Alabama. Democratic Party using college football heavily in some of their tweets about this race, and it's it really I. It's funny for people who are not. Familiar with the world of college football. How visceral these experiences! These memories will be for many people. You know there's a lot about Tommy topper bowl I think that to prevail. That I think that there is to criticize outside of his roles in in college, Football, for instance, is a someone who didn't live in Alabama until two years ago and he was a registered voter in Florida. As of November of two thousand eighteen. That was something that sessions brought. brought up against him, but this essentially became a race about who loves trump more and more importantly, who does trump love more, and it'll be fascinating to see what that looks like going forward. You know where Tommy to royal is arguing that Sharia laws coming to mobile and Doug Jones is using references to Auburn's past bad defenses. They ran the fourth three, which I'll never understand in two, thousand, seven, two, thousand eight, and so it's fascinating to see at issue. There's always that. You know those people say when they talked to sports, reporters gotta stick the sports well. Regrettably, if you're in politics, you have to get into sports. I have to jump in because I never get the Gemstar football, either so I'm excited about this. I have wondered about the. We shouldn't take for granted that. Everyone in Alabama is an Auburn Fan. There is a one hundred percent nuts. Right. If you look at the numbers and If you look at the numbers. There is a great map that went around that Tuscaloosa. University of Alabama is kind of owned Auburn. The last couple of years was sessions stronghold. These these rivalries matter the iron bowl matters, and it'll be interesting to see how that comes up. November really interesting. So another major primer that I want to talk a little bit about is. Is Maine's Democratic primary so State House Speaker. Sarah Gideon defeated two other Democrats that means she will take on Republican Senator Susan Collins. This is seat. Of course. The Democrats think they have a good chance of picking up toward their hope, in terms of their hope of taking over the Senate Lisa. What do you see in Maine and and how vulnerable Susan Collins might be and how strong a challenger! Gideon is when a great race to talk to you. And I gotTA shout out to the Desert and family in Maine Sarah Gideon. Is has been running largely on healthcare For being a state, Senator and Maine is a state that has buried deep struggles with healthcare. If you look at the number of people who have not one but two chronic conditions, it is near the top of the nationalists. They have very serious healthcare issues now that helped Susan Collins in the past when she was seen as sort of standing up for Obamacare and walking a tricky line, not trying to take healthcare away. However, the state has really soured on their Republican senator who tries to convey herself as an independent heart of the issue for her. She's kind of has critics on both sides now her vote to support denomination of Justice Brad Kavanagh is. Is something that really Angra. Some of her supporters on the left at the same time, some of her supporters on the right. She has some very strong trump. Supporters think that she is someone who is not on the president's side she she's having critics on both sides as she tries to maintain a level of bipartisan independence, one thing going for Susan Collins however she has really deep connections with a lot of local officials and voter. She's been working not state on a one to one constituent level for a long time. This is going to be really interesting race to watch because there will be some trump effect here, but I think this is going to be. A test of the two candidates as much as anything during. What do you think about that race in? Maine I think it's interesting because one of the things that we've seen through the trump era, and before is the nationalization of local politics and I think the main risk is a prime example. She's she not only did. Sarah Gideon raised twenty three million dollars from voters in Maine and national. Democratic donors. She also has the three point five million dollars that was raised during and after the confirmation of. Of Justice Cavanaugh as in your attempts reported so there's this war chest that whomever won. This Democratic primary was going to receive. That had markedly little to do about whomever. The candidate was and all to do with defeating Collins and so i. think that this really plays into the trump effect and I think that the nationalization of these politics means that a race. Let's keep in mind that. Senator Collins, one in two thousand, fourteen, about sixty nine percent of the vote wasn't really up for grabs in any way and yet six years later. She's in a doer di political matchup. I'm just so struck by one of the facts. You brought up there twenty three million dollar war chest. We're talking main I mean it's like I don't even understand how you would spend twenty three million dollars in a in a Senate race in Maine, but anyway I'm sure I'm sure she'll figure out a way to spend. I WANNA. Make sure we talk about a new poll from. From Quinnipiac University chose that. Biden is now leading president trump by fifteen points fifty two to thirty six I, bring it up because you know. OPOLE is only a poll, only a snapshot of the moment, but of course there have been a string of polls both national polls battleground polls that show president trump well behind in this race still lots of time to go to election day, but What are you seeing in? Either in this particular poll, or or at this recent batch of polls that suggest that president trump has has some strong headwinds. Oh it's clear very strong headwinds in you look at. He's losing states that in fact, the state's got him elected. You can say he's losing now Pennsylvania Arizona. Places like that where he was able to really appeal especially. To White voters were some working class, not all they are. They are turning on him right now. Now. What I'm interested to see is do we see trump voters. Stay home or do we see them? Vote for Biden right now. Buying leading in these kind of key states, Florida's another one but I want to see if it's an enthusiasm gap. which is a problem for trump, or if people are going with five and right now it looks like it's people are moving away from trump you look at states that are in play Georgia is now considered a tossup state and Georgia's been moving. Democratic for while there's a lot of reasons for that, but to the idea that president trump could lose Georgia just shows the kind of situation his, in which is not good, and it's one of the. That his campaign manager was diverted this week. That's right. His campaign manager Brad Par scale replaced by Bill Stepien currently the deputy campaign manager. He's going to step in a final word from you Jane about This race in the headwinds that president trump. Faces. What does he have to do if he wants to turn this race around? It's interesting because there is what he has to do to turn this race around and what he is willing to do to turn this around. Those are two very different things I think you saw some of the responses from trump donors to the par- scale news saying. Oh, I hope this means that trump doesn't tweet as much and I'm thirds not a power on the fan, the earth that could get trumped up tweeting as much. It's what he likes to do, and so I think occasionally we, we see this. When we talk about trump's base I think it's important that that's that is a group of people who are. Let's say the kind of people who would buy the album and go to the concert, not just the people who voted for him, and so you see from people who are trump supportive, but are a little skeptical that if he could just stay focused on corona virus if he could just stay away from culture war if he could really talk about the. The populist ideas that he came into office kind of thinking of then we'd be so much better off, but there's been no sign over the last four years. He has any interest in doing any of that somewhere. There is on earth to another trump different. Who is not this one, but I think that what we see through you know as that. What the Biden campaign has decided to do is just let trump trump all over the place and being largely quiet. Seems to be working out pretty well for him. Jane Costume Senior. Political reporter at Fox. Thank you so much for joining us today. We're so grateful. Thank you and Lisa Desjardins correspondent, covering Congress for PBS Newshour Lisa always great to have you thank you. You're welcome. I'm Anthony Brooks have a great weekend. This is on point.

President Trump president Jane White House Jane Lisa Vice President Biden United States Anthony Brooks Lisa Desjardins CDC Florida China Maine federal government Sewell Chan Republicans Georgia White House Washington
POWERFUL Charlo vs Harrison Rematch on Fox Peaks at 2.233 Million Viewers

Tha Boxing Voice

1:22:57 hr | 7 months ago

POWERFUL Charlo vs Harrison Rematch on Fox Peaks at 2.233 Million Viewers

"Podcast is intended for mature audiences. The views and opinions expressed are those of the panelists and do not reflect in any way those are the podcast partners. Sponsors or affiliates. Rich enjoy this is Michael Buffer. And you're listening to the voice of the people Let's get ready for boxing voice. Say Stay Hungry. Stay talk remain humble with this is it right. I just wanted to go on a great box office on both sides of this man. uh-huh it's great. I love Mike Tyson. I became different huddled Biden. It's crazy of me as you said nursery. She Welcome Back Ladies and Gentlemen Good Morning TV. CBS V. Welcome back to another one man feels good to be back And we haven't talked in a an entire twenty four hours can you believe it But a lot of news has broken says so many things to talk about. I WANNA do a couple of shows the day don't forget today's also our flagship show Thursday alien Sunday every Thursday and Sunday seven. PM Eastern time. You can catch us right here all the time. Yeah man we're going to be talking about these is powerful viewership ratings. I remember someone asking me like. Hey Man you're going to talk about those charnel ratings. Well here I am ready to speak The shore look Damn good but I will say there was a slight drop drop compared to last time you know they averaged one point nine and this time the the average one point eight nine fuck with a drop in a main fucking PBC man. They're not doing their job man. Not It looks like these guys are bringing in the ratings. Looks like it's Charles. Oh to to be honest with you. According to the article and we'll have the author on the show and just bid around nine fifteen according to the author Jamal Jamal or excuse me Djamil did this sort of rating with Kota one point eight around that that ballpark and then they averaged again. The point eight for this one and peaked at two point. Two three three so Very good ratings for Charl only only can mean big things for the unification match between he and Julian William Williams winner of Jackson. Rosario now What this does is give him options? I think it gives them options options in case they want to revisit. The third fight Just because you know. Boxing has always had rematches and trilogies. Not that he needs to he he completely man just to win the research for this show. Those highlights are all over the place right. I was afraid to actually use it because that fight is kinda popping right now but Yeah I'm like dude he doesn't need to do to rematch. If anything it would be strictly for numbers Sake and money It obviously showed the interests of the box in public. I wouldn't recommend a trilogy but it wouldn't hurt I. I don't think it would hurt. You know what I mean and if you can't get winner of Genesis Rosario when Julian Williams necks where do you go. What do do we know? Paddock Syria is available. Now that they're going to cross the street but we know that bud is in or doesn't WanNa fight him so Uh that belt is there but there's also you know the winner. He I'm sure he has his eyes set on all the bells Julian is carrying Carrion. Right now I believe it's the Ba IBF. And the I B O. Julian is one of those fighters to that definitely respects specs and promotes that. I- beal shut out to the Ibero. Looks like we got the author. Jake Donovan on the Line Right now. We're going to go out to him and discuss the Charles versus versus Harrison rematch the peak. And just let us know exactly. Woody meant by drop off just to get things clear. Ah Jake may good morning. Happy Holidays thank you for coming on a day after Christmas Shoutout to the hustlers was going on brother. Good Morning Outta muchness. I'm not Christmas Mr Mike and the whole crew really has always had so Nice just just the knee joint and just enjoy a little bit of time before we get into it this weekend. So talk to me about the. I'M GONNA call the confusion. I guess you were just reporting rapidly but the first time you wrote about the ratings for this particular the fight it was something around one point six maybe or one point four and that was twenty four hour ratings that you gave us now. You're seeing it peaked. At two point two and had an average of a believed one point eight which you also said was a sixteen percent. Drop off if you could just elaborate. Yes okay so what happens So when the show is the next morning it's called fast national ratings so it's a sampling of like I think now is the top forty four markets. So it's it's never really accurate it's just kind of There's like what how events perform in the markets. So that was the one point six number. I believe what it was like one point sixty five so that was And they they call them overnight ratings. It's like wants an independent airs. Then the the the quick ratings and they put him out they just see Kinda get a gauge of what people will watch them so three days later usually. It's the most accurate ratings. Those are the final national numbers. So for this show the number that posted with the peak that that was specifically that the main event average two point two three it was very similar. Average the bane of an average two point two two three. Take it peaked. At two point two three three knowing. You're so we gained about ten thousand. Your Jake did we lose you. Basically Harvard Nam. Sorry I heard you. You cut out when you said gained about ten thousand okay. I'm sorry about that yet. So yeah usually. On an event like you'll have the average and then the peak will be usually significant higher buzz word of mouth people wanting to check out what's on TV. You know what's happened to tune in this one. The fans they tuned in and they just watched throughout at least according to you know between the average and the so It was very positive. I think it spoke not just engaging the fight was whole I thought it was one of the best fights that year. There's a reason why you should never do here on the wards until you're actually ends It was he's just a terrific fight and it seemed like fancied engaged because it you know very strong numbers it was difficult be higher than how the show average has a whole You know two point a two three three million. That's a significant. I mean it's the second most watched fight of two thousand nineteen. Can't I think it's a great win for Fox. Is it safe to say that we could accredit jer. Mel Charles obinna though that the average was also his peak in the horry quarter Phi and he was the only one of the two that had a fight outside of you know the after the injury or whatnot or do you think it was just a combination. You know it's funny that you mentioned your belt because I've been doing You know it's they've always been sold as you know. The twins have been sold. It was like as a package deal but it seems like Jamal has had the crater fan appeal. His three shows on foxholes on very strong ratings. I mean you match the horrifying thousand replacement sites Tony Harrison rematch. You know that's supposed to take place back in June twenty third and he's still calls this a number on a Sunday night in June. I mean that's you know people just just completely glossed over that one so he deserves a lot of credit and also I mean Tony Harrison. I thought did a great. He sold the hell out of this rematch. I mean it's a love gymnastics at the end. The he'll that is or you just absolutely despise Charles Trash Talk Tony brought every bit of that adage you know I mean you know everyone was saying you know he was injured all said he wasn't going to be the same a and you know you just can't talk to. It's only you can't talk to you. Know Detroit cast like that and you know gemologist showed every year. He brought that into the ring fight night and they'll put together it's performance. I thought the fight was very close. I had only slightly head at the at the time of sausage but I they both did a great job. Song Despite Fox did a great job. It's like every football game as you watched. It was showing him between quarters. You Know I. It was just a great promotion and with them. They understood you know they. They raise as much awareness as possible. So I I think it was a joint effort between the two Jim I think about is is a slept on start. He's he's installing to make an on. He's the right division so his next month as you mentioned earlier you know it's a linguistics is fighting. He's going to be defended his titles. So that's going to be a fight every wants to see that you know as good as this fight was is going to entry for third fight so Komo Taller is going to be a guy to watch twenty twenty now. I've heard rumors that Fox basically has like last. Ask right on who gets to be on Fox meaning. Hey we're GONNA stage charl Harrison to Fox gets the you know they're able to raise their hand. I and bid on it. Do you know if that's true false. Have you heard something like this. And what I mean. Bid Off swing them in showtime not them in the world. Of course I totally get that I know yeah co It was on a podcast. One of the Fox executives made mentioned that their their preferred network the verse I don't know how true it is. I don't even know if supposed to say anything like that in public. It just seemed like a pretty Outrageous statement I I will say whatever has since then. I don't know what discussions have taken place. Unfortunately I'm not privy to him but we could see like showtime. It's already starting to come strong advocate going into twenty twenty two having you know joint Davis's fighting Atlanta this weekend which I'll be there today. I'm going tomorrow and then you know Steven it's been also also now. This is the kickoff of they're gonNA have. This is the first of eight eight fight cards within I believe at ten weeks pants. So you know. They're obviously looking to pick up the game. Twenty twenty Twenty nineteen was not a year that showtime is GonNa look back on fondly but whatever discussions taking place into. It looks like it's starting to resonate because we're already starting to see more more action on the showtime side and twenty twenty was the case you know throughout twenty nineteen so I don't know how true it is. That Fox. Has You know first rights on on the preferred events or snowplow looks at them as you know. This is where we're GONNA put on. All big fights I I think the two Brian Cost. I always go back to Brian. CUSTER two weeks ago. Oh you summed it up perfectly where you know the kind of partners because during TV bursts but they're kissing cousins so disturbing to compete with each other. I I'm not gonNA say outright though the sock you know Fox and wants to fight. Fox's Ah I think showtime if they WANNA fight you know. They're going to have the right to bid on it. Where do you think We are with showtime. I mean this year many boxing fans just Kinda -ssume that they might be kicking the can leaving the business kind of like. Hbo Yeah I always equate. Nobody listened to me and you know the reason I always equated the two year on a PC remember when he first launched sort on every network NBC sort on On CBS Fox came in two thousand sixteen. But then we saw it like on. ABC's that works really spread it out. And the one entity who suffered from it was showtime their ratings started to plummet that we're at a point where they really caught up with. Hbo and then when he launched and started going on every network the ratings started to go down there was concern concern for that but then they picked right back up in twenty sixteen and you know now pvc us come down to just so common Fox so to me. It was just the same trend this year where it was like there. Was this big. They pushed aside as big waltz. Hartville with Fox so they really wanted to come out the gate. And you're one you know. Obviously Fox wants to build on it moving forward And showtimes they just I. I'm not sure it was by choice. I'M NOT GONNA speak for them either but you know they were forced to take a backseat this year. 'cause like I said it just wasn't the That they're going to remember number and it's a shame because you know with age what's HBO Leaving The box and business. Showtime was poised to become the king. It was just all questioning that went from points. You know showtime almost becoming irrelevant this year which was sacked as they did. Have you know especially on the show walk circuit. They still do a lot of great prospect of so many upsets on that circuit but You know the Showtime Championship Boxing. That just that was -nificant draw from twenty eighteen. So it looks like they're starting to pick it up in twenty twenty I I I just I duNno symbol. I don't you know it's it's tough to say they would take an exam. It's just you know. Sometimes you deal with the you know the hand you're dealt but I it seems like they should have cried no more of a say in the content that was able to go on the network. That was the case this year and the reason I exist because again based off of that interview. Oh that kind of like I don't know it turned heads for sure. And then we seen the brother of Djamil Goto showtime and do uh not. Well where obviously we just spoke of him and his brother doing at least one point nine back in December when they both were on the same car but the difference there was in my opinion and you know audience in yourself could correct me. If I'm wrong but I think Harrison Charleville produced the excitement that the network was looking four whereas Jamal and core above was a bit of an upset with a kind of foul decision in the he added the public. I mean a lot of people called in saying they felt core above one Do you think that's why he didn't come back. Because why would Jamal get a comeback versus Kota and not give you know Charles. Oh Jamal or comeback versus Hogan Hogan was more known than coats so to speak at least this this year. Yeah I I don't have a great answer for that. I also like with as far as those He. He's in a position where you know Fox has a a lot of real estate in it. They've become like one hundred fifty four pounds of vision. Showtime helped build that up years but all of the big hundred fifty pounds sites have really gone to. Fox's I I mean you know going back to last year and first light which which all own Harrison and that decision you know it really is a great A great story line. You know this is going to be Jamila. Skip back or Tony's chance to prove that the you know that he earned the decision where the fans agree with it or not so I'm not sure that level of storytelling was there even with which malls fight with with horrible glove? I I thought it was a rigs that people are both one. I thought it was a close to fight them. The judge had it. It certainly wasn't like a one eighteen one type of that you know. I think one of the judges I just had It was much closer but beyond that it's like what what's the story you can tell forward you know like who does Jamal fight next. You know how much can Fox best in You know with with Jamal. I mean there's so much you know Julie Williams beaten Jared hurts you know the deal was supposed to you know Jamal and Jarrett her fighting each other in an undisputed set. Well I should say unification about how they won. They didn't win. So Fox. got a whole bunch of hundred fifty pound rights out of the same thing welterweight division. They have you know most of the top welterweight so they're able to meltsa showcase that division prominently. So there's you know I it's an easy you know around for them to just keep it on these events on their airwaves airwaves. So it's a mall. It's like you can put him on. It's like who is he gonNA fight next. You can't keep putting him in against you know that you know opponents of the world and and expect like the ratings to pull on Fox and maybe maybe that was just the point with him or maybe it was this. You know showtime just showed significant greater interesting since they felt like that he served regret platform better than Fox shoulder. You can serve this It's interesting because the reason I obviously it's fight week. devante Davis is this. This becoming this box office star was the boxing scene headline obviously a quote from L. A. B. who seems to believe in an interview view with me and a couple of other reporters in Alabama and he said that devante biggest fight from one twenty six one thirty one thirty five even one forty. He says he's the biggest fight. But why is he still on showtime and are we misinterpreting those numbers of his in by numbers. I mean viewership. The ship I I mean I was gonNA bring him up on. Did you just like you said if showtime was packing up their offices getting out of business. Twenty twenty wanting wisest dramatic Davis is on our. He seems like a serpent. No the perfect type of saw that would be on Fox Fox was take old and you know just if they have at first rights on every single fight that they felt was interest. I mean they make a huge point that Japan Davis History Sites Twenty Twenty nineteen is going to sell over thirty thousand tickets attendance wise. You know it's going to be if they put twelve thousand in the arena on Saturday that's going to get them about thirty five thousand in attendance in announced attendance. I refi in two thousand nineteen. I mean that's remarkable. You know for you know if everyone people still complaining about his level opposition he did is genuine interest in trying to Davis. I mean the stars all coming out when he fights so already old more on you know at the parade formed after that Monty Davis Day the whole often boxing camp he eased Enron's effected perfect interest. And you know he he's like I said he's the type of Guy Fawkes should be interested in. And if if they are going to EP main source of boxing so the fact that you know showtime remains heavily invested in and they will remain. Have Twenty twenty. You know if I got it right there. That's a great indication. That's a at least once that that's going to be Ed Long. Or we're showtime so am I misinterpreting is numbers because I'm not seeing him. Do deontay wilder numbers. I mean I'm seeing them. Four hundred thousand is what Google and I. I can't really find anything over five hundred thousand. I believe it's fight with One of his in front of one of his two fights that that surpassed five hundred thousand. I don't know what this weekend is going to do so again. It speaks to what showtime these to do in twenty twenty two to get back on the right track. Ah You know the like their rate. I'm not speaking for them over the summer. WHO which reading reading? I can't imagine that ratings are anywhere near what they wanted to be a twenty nineteen. So now aren't they. Davis Davis is GONNA BE CHEAP. I hate to interrupt but I I want to be fair in. Get your expertise or the numbers. Five hundred still equate to something that obviously showtime likes because of the short amount of time is it like. Oh he's knocking these guys out in one round. He really can't generate ready to hire number. Is that still a good number. Even though it was a one round fight like how does that work for the network you know like they're putting an event on NBC. Christmas and New Year's time they don't occupy this time. Yeah so obviously you know they. They've been happy with the relationship they'd have them otherwise they wouldn't be in Atlanta. This this fight so you know. I mean they're not I'm not gonNA say that they don't want him doing the wild the numbers. Obviously that's going to be the goal to get to that. Yeah point but I I think that she was. I made event on showtime to remember that. So he's becoming the type of star that they're you know they're anticipating so i. I think they're happy with progress. Maybe that's the best way I can put it. So the criticism that he receives our fight fans rushing him. Because I know that he's young at twenty four. But if you compare like you know other twenty four twenty-seven-year-old a lot of people are further along But when you think about so he took his step up years ago right in fight whipple Raza so we really don't like even for me. I really don't understand and my how do you pass that. Challenge of a world champion. imple- Raza I mean. You really beat him up because you did better than Loma Chang-chol did after you beat him so I'm looking at this very skilled fighter but then they it feels like they're digressing him in opponent. I'm what I've never. I try not to put a lot of stock in you know I don I always have to go you know. He just became champion. He's young used to build. It's like well it's a champion. Acknowledge suggest you know. I'm not bad. Not Looking devante anyone puts it down there around the waist but you know that You know beat the crap out of the beat them I. I don't care what was them because instantly than even Machiko did so that should have been the building point. That's that remains his best wins that they Even no matter what happens this weekend even if he blows out gamble in one round that that went over but that's still going to be his best win and he needs to get a much better level of opposition to my twenty That goes without saying so you know whatever is there were that so let him to only have two thousand eighteen. You know whatever talked. I needed to take place to get them to having having three five hundred hundred. Nineteen you know that has to be in the past This I'm not saying gamble is a is a blowout. He should beat him. You know I don't know how much gamble has left in the tank but at this has to be the last night on this level you know twenty twenty. They can't anymore. If there's offers out there to get guys like Kevin Fallen or you know anyone else really at one thirty or any other notable contender. Those sites need to happen. Twenty twenty This is this is. I'm going to call it. This is the showcase one you know. He's bringing you know. Boxing into a stock market on boxing should have been in Atlanta long-time 'cause I'm glad he's the first one. So this is the type of showcasing needs to blow up to become a star at it has to be better opponents moving forward. What would you call it a showcase? So a how are you expecting a performance to go. What sort of performance do you think he he should put on? I he should have through gamble. I expect Ambro with a you know. He was coming in with a lot of motivation. I think he has all the time. Thank people get credit for but you know he did just turned thirty eight. He's he's not the same. I'm not even say that the same guy was when he four tenths Crawford five years ago but you know if if this is always going to be comparison performances. Sure you know blowing out you know. He stabbed with far easier time looking then. coffey did five years ago. And I'm not GonNa say that you know. Well he does that. He's better than terrorists crossword. But that's the statement he should be making. It's the same exactly wanting to make he's done it every time out so You know I keep people keep asking him. I all Cairo dramatic Davis the one thing he needs to do that. He's done right to shoot. Just keep doing everything Just it's more of the same. You know people want you know early knockouts explosive performances formative and he's been delivering so. That's really what needs to happen this weekend. That's really too long and short of it. So as a writer you want to see him perform warm or at least do better than what Crawford did five years ago because it was five years ago or simply because you think devante has that type type of power that he's GonNa do better are we. Are we putting him on this level because gamble was supposed to be shop worn or is it because where you have Johnson terms of school i. It's the expectations of demonte. Data's becoming superstar. It's a gamble. has shown his past four fights even the one where people felt Saddam rods. He's shown that he's not you know that long to you know he's past his prime right but he still has something left so for me. It speaks to my expectations of Davis knows. He's boxing snakes superstar. This is what I wanna see them to one side and I and I think you shouldn't have handle handle someone like Gamboa Obviously you know even if you force someone like former. It's like if he's supposed to be the next thing you know. We're not saying that about former. You know saying that about about tanks so it's the former website I wanna see that same explosive performance. You know against him as well. Obviously it'd be a much more difficult task ten farmers and you know much higher rank two hundred five but we I I WANNA see Jamaica. Davis just knocked off every single time out if he is supposed to be that that no. They're comparing him you know. He's a modern day Mike Tyson. You know if that's the case then you know he needs to keep you informed every time out no matter who's near corner now Before we switch is to tavern which you keep bringing up Crawford got him out of there and nine. So what are you what you want five out of ten. How many how many is too many I like this. I think realistically if he gets out of their five to six pounds I I don't think he's knocking at one or two so that that'd be a massive statement if it what to do that I think if he would have To you know to fight the way he's been fighting and it's get Gamble out of there and five or six. I think that a great now his trainer said they're going to take them late and drown them. So are we our expectations too high because it seems like the game plan is to go late or was that Gamboa's trainer said they WANNA go late. I just I guess they're not GonNa get that trains a lot of times that you can take him around him. Um You know who were prepared to go twelve rounds but you know a lot of times you know when we see those type of flights sometimes it just evolves. And you know a one-sided boxing lesson where it's not you know fans suddenly become disengaged. I got one for legs. You beat the crap out of the guys at six or seven rounds. Just get him out of there. Six or seven rounds. So you know. He's GonNa put on a math class before. Twelve miles to evaluate wants to fight is over so I'm not going to sit here and say well if it goes twelve and he went swapped. Nothing that's going to be disappointed. It would depend on the manner in which he need him. I'm talking even if you know if you stop them it was. It was Gamboa's training to the said that anyway so thankfully it's not an Ford. I I don't get Calvin speak that much so I'm speaking in. That regard is we know. Calvin is pretty blunt. You know the guys are going to get out of the early. Say a woman gotta get out of the early so but I mean regardless like Like I said my expectation I would like to see you know. Just do what he does I if he does what I think he can. I think he will get him out of there. Five or six rounds if he does everything right and it takes you know seventy nine rounds at your on either since we're talking Calvin Ford Did you see his other prospect. ME CAULKINS IS GONNA be fighting All impre price. I love your show up at the Jack in an Giang Pasquale size. But that that's I. I really wish that was on the showtime tripleheader it's gotta be strained in some capacity. I believe go. Yeah I absolutely love that site. That's you know. Maliki Manager Everett McGill. He's all about he's gotTa Take Address Cause these leads LE- caucus can be a chance so and you know in his own words and this type of thing he has to win if he's going to go you can't go so that's that that that is it's really about that one who are you leaning towards Ah I definitely don't want to take a fifty five. I loved it. They both called each other out to like. I think all and was one that was He was quick with the media. Say Yeah you know we got league next like there was. I know this is what I wanted. This is what I got You know I love the fact that they both want. It wasn't a fight that had to be forced upon it was offered to them and they all said Hell. Yeah we want it so I'm going to bail out on this. I'M NOT GONNA pick them. Yeah that one is very interesting to me. Man Prices. No joke I I think he's he's got a better resume he's been in there with the with the few guys. Not like me Caulkins with that hype. You know some Ajay Thomas. Yes in in a few other prospects were coming up. He had to face them and he got a men. I mean I was shocked to see this fight to be honest with you. Yeah no I bruce and I think that's the reason why it's going to be called camp. wanted this fight you know. They realize that when he's a proven prospect. He's you know he's one of those guys that like if he wins this fight. You gotTA gotTa stop talking about all when twice as a as a legitimate contender. Somali caucases that It's a perfect opportunity for them. You know it's it's a great fight for him to take without having to fight those same guys wait for a fight like a dull place. It's a fight he wanted and the moment it was offered you know took it. So you know credit credit really to both of them say there's not a main event it's not on and you know Fox or you know and so time prime or any other outlets where it's going to accommodate with show it's a real risk all around and on on an undercard so you know they appreciate the platform that it's on. You know a lot of fans are going to be there to sea TAC so you know. Belief is from Jim I like I. I can't say enough about this item so you know I it. It's awesome awesome that you know that they took this site especially at the stage decorous. How good does he have to look in this price? Fight to make Vikto statements. I guess to put some truth into those to have fight fans really believe what he and Calvin Ford told me on on an interview in Vegas that they can be Josh Taylor now well for that they would have to blow through all one price I like. I said my expectation by my barometer is whoever wins is is on the verge of becoming a contender so that to me. That's good enough to make a statement that even in a future. You Know Josh Jaylen the next night you're GONNA have to ten through whoever's in Japan saw Josh Taylor right now regardless of what we think is impersonal Hughes no worse than the second best On forty five in the world you know whether you got ammo. Jose Ramirez so to say that you're going to be neither one of those two or even just short Appropriate or even you. You know a barren check. I mean not to make that type of thing you're going to have to really show something and stop the fight like this. So you know if he's talking that then he's going to have to really blow through doll and priced. I if you've done that we gotta start. We gotta put some respect on his name. He's he's going to be that guy and then we gotta start taking those claims seriously. So now I'm just settle for. Thank you know. Whoever wins the fight really really? Whoever loses I'm just look looking forward to that get back to well jake man? That's about All my questions WanNa thank you Obviously for coming on the show and always talking some boxing with US clearing things up and to be clear you said that this is the second Most viewed Fox telecasts for this year. Right on average on the main event and average and the peak it also It was seconds seconds So I joined a key. Thurmond's win over Utah in January. That was another fight. It had a lot of strong promotion from NFL with the regular season and You know in the playoffs so you know with this. You know it just had you know the regular season push but you know again. It was both of them really pushing the fight so No they did. What they see Thurman is a lot of people sleep on his his drawing ability? He's always done strong written. Ah only one the only fight. He's had since launched. That really wasn't strong was his first fight on on. ESPN and everything else. Then the most watched fight on the two sights on CBS. That don't use. I think that was the most watched network sites receive launched. He also say that you've also has the highest highs pay per view for PBC right six impact. And I think it did five hundred but still you know I I was very impressive so Thurman it shows you know when you're talking about welterweight you want twenty twenty you know. Why don't you mention his name? 'cause he's the drawers your name is. I don't even know if you want to mention them. In the in the build up to the Harrison Charleville to he said he can't even touch the heavy bag to four months months which puts them in April right so like do I mean you mentioned narrow spent you know. We don't know what you know. How what he's GonNa look like when he comes back you know? I'm grateful that he is able to come back. But you know people still mentioned spence name a lot more than Thurman so You know I I Aleksei but but back to Charleston Harrison that like I said for the fact that they're just the low hand outperformed through imports fight on Fox. It's you know again as the credits at where these guys know out so much you know so it was no yes. You're just didn't like each other. They came absolutely they they would be beat the hell out of each other and they did that they delivered on every front and sort of self as a whole it was a great show. You know especially with arrows and I argued that it was you know it shouldn't consideration for the events of the year just everything that's a place that has it all right. Jake man thank you so much for your time as always men We're GONNA get you back on Thanks for right in these great articles brother and talking some boxer with us all right. Thanks I always appreciate love. Always appreciate you guys have all and You know just keep up the great work. He's a great things. Thank you brother Social media for these crazy people not following get sick on twitter at Jack in the box J. K. and X. on instagram grant at Jack in the box with the school and the cost writing on boxes dot com. Thank you again there. You have it. Enjoy your morning J Donovan Boxing Scene Gene. We are discussing his article with Char low and Harrison the rematch on Fox peaks at two point. Two three three million million views which is a powerful. In my opinion. I mean especially with the decrease in numbers that we see so often in I mean and just Charl you know showing his one point ED versus Coda This is good man. This is good for the sport overall. We're all ratings are good on all networks so as a boxing fan. We should be happy. That means that we're GONNA continue to get some good box and but I'm going to head on out to foam lines. You know the number to call in one four to five five six nine fifty to do forty one press one time voice your opinion right here on the voice of the people hotline at Nestor Gibbs on skied glad to be part of the conversation and Yemen enjoyed show. These calls are brought to you by El Camino electrical services experts in electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation installation visit us at El Camino electrical services dot com remember to rate his five stars on itunes. Going out to sea addle. Our boy dom a is much shorter. TORSO MR see. Maybe good morning. Nasty more ness What I shall floyd mayweather? But I'M GONNA keep it real Komo fan but I really think Tony Harrison Sold this fight by bringing out Charles Personality you and then the skin and shown on the true grit follow has champion you know four or Fox or PVC and I'm I'm kind of happy to see Charles. We'll do this thing you know. Finally in the sign Djamil getting it in he got his first loss and he knows what a slave uh the hungry and a champion and the numbers online. Man I mean was that that wasn't even pay per view so that's pretty good. I mean it's not the best but it's still pretty good. I'm happy to be. PVC Fan CBC supporter under Dom. Thanks for calling in. We're going out to Boomerang California Nia see wiping. Yeah let me run anybody to back back. I got issues a little bit issue now. I told you they were going to do good number. I told you was GONNA win. I told you care hairs. Bullshit I told you that you don't make an angry angry artist. Should I stayed one hundred percents. Also the more you talk about numbers in boxing in in in boxing the more than put down boxing you'll never hear NBA dot com talking about. Oh man this. The hawks getting didn't have to let me people understand it. Oh down this year. They don't fuck and talk about that. NFL Network. Don't talk about it. But in Shannon go back and forth checks skip bayless. I've never talked about the Lakers. Attendance are on abroad. Jane not talk to them. Used to be like trying to boost this all the talk positive about the sports and when it comes to numbers are you. Don't fucking talk number at all because you don't have to be honest about bad numbers in honest about goodness so it's GonNa put you on the fucked up state tatum on anyway. Like I'll do it. Nobody wants to fight. It was a great. I love that she ever hardcore the book. I was edified the motherfucker. was everybody talk to you about the fire. The puck was that guy had nothing to do with the to do with them to cast did up. They're paying initiate out. We're giving great performance. I do wish great out. I was on hold for as long talk number. Two paychecks at Bushey. 'cause truth as we'll take shit motherfucker. A great boxer trophies Sufis travel in a different division. And the Jamal. It's Triple D. Don't want them. And it's fucking Andrei who may. Then you've got your Yongtong opening your Franklin with lights out the of course you'll have a better match of what it is at the same time they both fighters out. Nobody thinks that your meal is better. The GERMANACOS the second date medicine in the first place. I wish that we would smother you. Stop talking bad about. Aj numbers in bother numbers. And Charles Fisher. Who who's never talked about? Never who fucking hated the day. If you teach eighteen charter if you lies on you is only if you bomb squadron. Bonfire eighteen eighty aged. Ah Let's see if we can take it back to the old days where we say. mockups is better than country. My box is better than no more. Fuck victory over here. I got knocked up to your house winning all the rounds. Let's you got last knockout to. It's probably strict. I don't Walk Doc. More victims you see that. I don't walk in victories. I'll do it because he's got to walk in but to get to the win. It's a straight fucking lot CASIRAGHI says J. Matt Boomerang Shit. I feel I feel a little unprepared. Come behind it I'll miss the charges called in. Can you give me a quick rundown like at some point. I need to touch on. We just talk in the great numbers man for her Harrison. Charlie I think it was you. They wanted me to do a show on this as you said that they had a drop but they actually did some powerful numbers and I think with the I had the author on and I was asking him if he tries to accredited it to try low himself. Djamil Djamil did one point with Coda and then he i. I disagree with Dennis. I think it was both they both. They both sort of the fight. And I'll I'll kind of like after can be on the call like I'm agreeing. Cyp The I do think we do get caught up in numbers and when when I say caught up the numbers meaning. Let's talk about the sports because we know it takes the right type of matchup to sell anyway and We get stuck on numbers and doing good doing bad here and stuff like that but We know when it gets when you got the right match up. Everybody go get out there and see if you're trying to sell view fight it got tickets to To type of fighters the tangle celebrate with pay per view fights. I would say congratulations to channel. I hope he do continue having success in the sport. Also Jamal as well to t while piece folk on some valid Allah points about. What's going on so when you do have accomplished with up in going out to Detroit more fuck murdered glassworks at a stainless? Don't you love. What do we aim talking money to speak to my leg which took up the Fook folks conversation stainless Yongqing Year? And you know what's going on my skype man acting real Janke right not a man also great number smash out the Charles for that May Suit man shout out to Tony Harrison. Detroit stand up to you. Know say credit where I can get those numbers though. I'm good to hear them numbers. Especially you know what I'm saying consider service. It was the weekend before the holidays. You know everybody was probably are trying to get an and they still decided to come back and watch that fight. You know what I'm saying. That's good the airmen. I'm pretty sure that the press conference in the not animosity in story building up to a definitely helped out with it way you saying to fly. I too was that two point two would up. Pluses was peak numbers. No one of the main event where for the fight now big numbers for the main event a- and The main event you know not only did they get a boost but had average like one point eight man. That's that's good to hear man. Suwalki made a very valid point on this Sister Josh will find like we definitely need to stop worrying about the numbers though. If we'RE NOT GONNA push for for the good fight. So that's the reason that that their fighters such good numbers good have you seen since the Joshua fight. No no no. I'm just saying because you know I knew Josh Belcher was GonNa go back into the whole promotional fifty million. He turned out to a twenty back and forth with our Latin. I'm like Wean. Get tired of you wasting talk about that. Let's just push for the fight because I agree that we all want the the fight but it's insane not to talk about the numbers we can live in that world but you know before Mr. Cyp came along long. My my slogan has always been live in the reality that I live in and To omit numbers I I don't know to have some sort of sane energy on the show with everyone Sounds good in theory. But we're not doing anything. The the numbers are still being reported on so just because we don't report them here would make absolutely no sense without numbers without ticket sales else without ratings the fate. Your favorite doesn't happen so his plan in theory is cool. Yeah I mean you know. Hit me up whenever you you want to get in a circle insane kun-bae to the fucking fight happens but it won't not that way it's only going to happen when the numbers are right. When do proves the bill draw a do proves to be some sort of star and makes it worthwhile the a side? That's how they do man. It's not my side. Oughta your side is all a sides. All promoters are looking out for their best interest in their best interest is whatever guy they have they believe is good enough looking Loma Chanko. He was just an interview Manaus. It was crazy. He was just in an interview saying that he thinks thinks he shouldn't have the fight of Madison Square Garden because Lopez Latino and he believes that he's he's not going to get a fair shake because the Mexicans and the what other fucking atom remember i. I don't WanNA put words in the mouth but he he mentioned another Nationality got behind Lopez. Oh He's like afraid now and that's what we're talking about when you're draw draw. Aw And as part of the sport man you know Until it changes in it ain't never gonNA change because there's You know sites like Forbes or the one that even I never even heard about the one where people the other day celebrity. Whatever something that's what they do they talk about the numbers we talk about moving numbers like that's how you know that Marville who does so well like you can't talk you can't you can't have a business without the numbers because it's GonNa shut down if it's not doing well and we just not reporting it it'll go away that's just that simple we Stone boxin I miss out onto the Charl man and Harrison doing so great numbers man and then as I heard the numbers meant I just pitcher C walk in there with his lies only gear all man going crazy and I just I want somebody who's promoters to pay attention. We didn't need to dust off gamble offer tank in Atlanta. We could have gave a prime black fighter a decent black fighter her and he could have did these numbers. I've taught everybody thinks we need some english-speaking God for Black Guy to fight to get tickets man we can do this black on black. We see what they did out there with Charlie Harrison and they'd be a great numbers if you to put fucking tank in fucking tavern or something like that instead of Forty thirty year old game board has been knocked out three times and beat up a lot. You put him in there with a prime black Friday. He probably fucking do triple what you doing. You could charge double for them tickets. What charter so promoters take notes? Men shout out to trial over Harrison energy backing it up in a ring giving us a great display. Nea Nia coming like me and after that and knowing he fucked up because he lost in North Charleston is moving up because he was so shout out to them boys man and get ready for this tag fight man and he better knock this out in three rounds man. What are we talking about? Go late and step up. This ain't stepping up. This ain't go lay fight. This is a three round knockout and he better do it and I'll pull it to do all right right. See what I do agree with Joshua. The the New Orleans is that Harrison had a lot to do with these numbers to right and that that's the difference You know with the Gamboa's situation it's GonNa do good numbers I get. What you're saying about the Latino thing the fake blueprint black versus Latino? I hear you but you gotta remember. Harrison was gamble bro. Remember that Harrison was coming off a two. Oh knockout losses his MO was. He's a great boxer but fades in in fights. You know we've seen that with Willie Nelson we've seen that with heard you know and then He got upset but he was coming off the Shea. When which you know each was like real real He didn't even retire. Each Lubin came retired after that so he fought the fight of his life that night night and earned this opportunity and I think that the numbers and the fight everything had to do the combination to was was were brought us here to these numbers from the first build up to the to the bad decision to the new press conference conference to the failed. You know the injury all that all that had to do with this you know But make no mistake. Stake Gamboa is definitely Harrison and Harrison was definitely gambling now. Do I think that Harrison is as gone as gamble. Absolutely not but remember that it was both Charles on Fox. Set Up to showcase no different than Gamboa. Being on this showtime MM card set up to be devante showcase in a new market. That was the Charles. Twins Lines Only Promotion First Time Barkley headline in as brothers. They it was set up to do you know they think under the lights and that turned out the way to turn were both is turned out the way that they turned out. lids low decatur Georgia. I was an sat out the body. Hey Hey good news they do. I like it wasn't Jae Donovan. Correct yeah yeah like that straight shooters shish out on him. mm-hmm fires the numbers now. Speaking for you Mr C. y. p. but I figured this is what he's saying as fans we don't really care for numbers in a sense you know what I'm saying Ryan now for the promotion companies and and and you know manages now this you don't sure they they they make money off of us as fans. Don't make money. We just want to see good fights but I understand I and I'm a game to be And what may follow a Harrison so good because that was just classic old school. I don't like you you don't like me so that's always always don't draw shit. y'All cazals your real fans. You feel what I'm saying so on a Saturday night and the tank Davis yes. His has got to step double competition. My Guy Because your boy Linda El Avi he you know I sent you that. They've linked him. Radio Raheem like man. You can't keep saying what you saying about tanking. Not Putting them in. He'll put them in with Pete when I again. I ain't jiving on Gameboy. He's a good kid but he is perhaps. Pass your prime. You know what I'm saying. Tank twenty five years old. You put them in. Let's see what he really got. I know he's trying to Preserve Hill and make Lhasa whatnot. But we asked the fans we we want to see my so you got you got to your fans to. He can get money. I'll go pay him in a guy down way but we got to see the lane so give us these co-discoverer pat beantown Jay. Mack Boomerang a back to the numbers without speaking earn of us. It's like too because sometimes we find ourselves. Having discussions and arguments about numbers weren't fights and holding it up and wait a fantas- gushing numbers. But it's I mean I think that's up to left up to the management and promoters and we're saying eighties. We shouldn't be talking about. Who's doing this and doing that? Especially when a good match up and and I'm not saying you bring it a dude ain't got no business being in having worked as Self up the way you could be in position but when you talk about number that always get and way of debase arguing like we on the show especially with the UK Conan's half fifty percent of the arguments is about numbers and fuck. We still talking about numbers. deontay wilder an ED disaster. We know who they are. We talking about fifty percent right now. Though she'd get into rain as fans we should back it up and spends should have got into rain cello and Andreotti should got rain on dry. Should have been guy canola at one. Three two four carnival should have got on channel eight one fifty four. I mean it's always. He's a number discussion and at least wrongful. You say why or make excuses and stuff like that so the numbers should change especially from the fan base. That's my call. I mean that's just not an excuse. Man Numbers are just reality. Bro Like the only way we're GONNA I wanna get to where the numbers don't matter if we have One Bell Number One contender and one champion. So then you number one is your numbers. Numbers don't matter you face. The Champion C. Y.. P. With the supercharged if you need the numbers to see the fight you're not a fan. That's not your Lane never will be checkmate. Boxing Talk to US checkmate on skype. Got Can you hear me. I'm thanking him. We are cruel. Yeah I think the show. The entire card hardwood success and those numbers validated. That the funny thing is when you read the timelines of these medium members or they're talking about all oh year year projected down last year. I hope this is not a I hope this is a one. Trent they made it seem so negative because of the propaganda talk hit the transit just looted. So it doesn't matter what the numbers do. They're not gonNA give him any credit so this is what they did gotta do personally. I don't care about number. We only start up. And that's you that's you and the People Yacht taught to start listening to this show. Oh I've been doing this show for ten year. Numbers always been important and this argument they keep talking about this Joshua while brought us his pack. y'All all over again. The only difference is that they both have you stars. Okay did you. Did you know how many people within audience for Pacquiao and never knew how many people excited talking nonsense percents press releases out keeping the press releases go out every single promotes okay. Top rank puts on a show. They release the numbers. And then you also get articles from other sources telling you what the ticket sales were in. How many Those were comped right because top rank hypothetically would say you know fighter versus fighter be did nine thousand an eight hundred and eighty two tickets. They're not going to tell you how many will come some press releases. Come with that information but not everybody does so we been getting the numbers Bro. We've been getting ticket sales. Well Koto you think we didn't know quota was a ticket seller. We didn't know fucking fucking. Julio Cesar Chavez was a ticket seller he didn't do does not articles about him doing hundred thousand in fucking Mexico somewhere. Come on like we've been talking numbers. Yeah just don't WanNa talk numbers because these UK do get to Ya wa broad day talking numbers to you because they are afraid of the fight. That's the argument right there to get into a back and forth with some dues that not afraid of the real fate. They are afraid of the real fight. Just like the top rank situation fucking May whether they were afraid of that fight. You can't like you gotta be Moron not to hear what was being said how you don't want to take a test. Could you afraid of needles got multiple tattoos. Go get new tattoos. Come on but it was so so many excuses from the pack like just like so many excuses from the fucking. Aj side like you don't have to argue with people. I mean you you can do Ooh that if you want to spend your time no way like. Sometimes we don't agree and we gotta agree to disagree or just ignore focus that simple simple patented sound trying you one more time going once twice see what boomerang they'll give me. Two numbers are important to managers promoters networks. Dan who has been with us. After de la Hoya with the one who brought that she's forefront because he knew he could be made with the only way to be made the weather with a talk numbers if that may I'm I'm laced become number. That's when it started because you can't beat the man you gotta figure out other wage demands. Follow Jolly knew he could be near here to talk about your car. You will be if other banks say instead of. I'm a beach in the rink ankle and do it. Eight eight eight eight hard. They would that that's what they do. But the truth of the Maris anytime. Somebody of numbers are Argue is because they can't think to member we talked about me. This is you. I will give a thought. How many people tune in to see if they just I think I could beat you taking beat me go play but number is totally separate pertaining? beat me a test that if I take it out of you take more fucking here so it is Thursday awesome. You take it. It doesn't matter because you still fucking work. I'm telling it was a ploy to down to fucking black fighter. He can't fucking beat them. So you talk about fucking numbers. They only played this because next do the numbers they do want to be the way all the mets especially the big ones looking record against the great air enough Captain Ales it could come see why pl I didn't even hit you with the cut it because I knew you. You got that stopwatch he was like three seconds past. But I knew he was gonna hit the C. p. i. and hit you in the middle of that would you say sunnybrook signing up that it was uh uh not really boxing. Fuck Man That's why I need Mike Right here. Sleep or something they're Asu Ip. I wanted to talk about something you just selfishly comes back to me. I'M GONNA go to boomerang stainless guy down. See why Lena Lena Conversation I answered disagree with right now and you're talking about Uh uh we know that. UK Talking about risks. They camping scared of the fight and we already know that. Champion not champion. They sorry I bet my bag they as five fans are afraid of that. They don't want that fight that's why that's why they wanted. Man Madness Man I've been talking to these UK cashmere and they know like I know they ain't scared of they do taking that fight. is they champion as scared. Why does Nikki pulsing every anything again? Take his mind off the fact trying to make you think overcompensate right now you're saying so don't even talk about you know saying I'm cool with a lot of them. UK Okay those right now and we disagree saying we got different champions but we still want to fight so in in the world of why they champion can be him except about how he gonNa beat him. So don't talk about. They scared of the fight. He scared of the fight. Nelson Eddy hurries to come here and Talk Mash. Niane got nothing to say to. So you know we can talk about this. That fewer shelly. We could make that shit up. We talk real on. This show does numbers this show and that motherfucker. The fuck don't come on here. This is the highest Elise I know for for back on. US side of things. It's the highest view. podcast outside of fight hype which does not do Newell podcast. It just does open interviews. You know what I'm saying so far. Could you talk about me. That's that's him ness gear. But that's all I got is always say. Please make make sure you push the thumbs up said this every episode of the boxing voice podcast is. This is T. V. for life in viewing Patriot. Because you stupid shot out the Oklahoma. No how no man I so badly want to say. He's not afraid but you know. Three years of failed. Negotiations nations is a long time. So you know I'll just not even like I don't care what he is. What I feel now is the fans the UK fans or AJ FANS RATHER AJ fans? I feel they don't want that. I've been in this position for you a long time and I'm telling you man I've been having this relationship with them for a long time a no. No no Ma. And they're fickle anyway. I'm telling you not all not all but this does just an audio is like one champ is up. They own them all and then soon as he down they onto the next ten you know that's why when. Aj was down. It was all about fury they switch up real quick. Jerome Talk to me Jerome. Gammy any and all the background noise with a do it was carpio. y'All got a question is does your numbers only matter when when it comes to a black fighters discussion may through that discussion on race boxing. The numbers don't matter or no do matter when it's starting to get a big fight with somebody with somebody as long as you ain't saying black fighters with somebody Eh. That's how that's how it is period like. Actually if you a big fight you gotta be the right dance partner but I I mean that's not put on any other any anybody else. We put that on the Charles why they don't get the nullify water. Why can't Joshua fight so so so take hold on hold on hold on so is your chance Keno so tell me who was? who was the black fighter? There wasn't doing numbers in Mayweather Pacquiao situation. He was the he was doing the number so he always had better numbers than PAC L. O.. I mean I mean to me the exception to the rule right how how. I'm you. Because he built it I mean he built himself he built himself up and also he got. Those important report is that he needed right. He Got Hoya fight right harming yes. How do you do that? How do that he kept talking? Okay okay okay so then we we know what to do. Why are we blaming it on this week? Excuse I mean but how law we got away for these big slice to happen. I mean I don't let me let me tell you I don't see as waiting for no big which of course Stevenson who's black. He black what he black. He'll he he from what he'll got no crossover crossover as Gal can't give you. I can't give you extra time if you're not talking about first of all. Let's go to one twenty-six real quick to kill him dead okay because he black he got a title shot in twelve fights. It was vacant. The Mexican fighter did move up. Because guess what should call. Ain't that big draw okay. But what is the core in the talks of getting a unification. Where is the call willing to go to the UK for unification? What is he doing building doing what he got to do to get to that position and putting themselves in position? Let's be real. He is a ticket seller. He sells those tickets and he does good ratings but let's let's go to the rankings rankings. One Twenty six right and you bugging one twenty six. He he ain't going be there. Remember our last interview view with him he specifically said he wanted unify that he moving up. He Ain't trying to be undisputed he wanted a unified any moving up and he told us also tank all of them. He wants smoke with all them. He's he's no different than I ain't even GonNa put that on him. He's he's what we want bro He he talks that shit man. He talks that Shit Him and Chris Cobra. Talk that Shit. I'm telling you and eventually see too but let me get to the rankings. Let me get to. The rank is one twenty basics once when he's looking at Chicago is the WBO CIA right now. The screen shit is then. You Got Josh Warranty and who is going to unify with right. So because he said he could only do one and move up. I'M NOT GONNA put pressure on him but if he happens to stick around then we go interview him because he he still answer our calls. We're going to interview with the Guy Russell fight because I remember that interview Guy Russell saying you know oh of young get that belt. Whatever we could do we could get it done so crossover fight Lille Santa Cruz if we talk in that division vision but we know Leo is already kind of mapped out for devante crossover fight common? That's you know Mexico. I mean Ireland in that division. He got frampton another good fight Who else could he get? Let me see you want some Spanish descent Magdaleno Jesse who else who else who else. And that's one twenty six remember. He only doing one more fight. which is the unification? Once he moved up former haring. Burt Shell Battelle inhering ring or with top Brain Batelco Mexican. Okay there's one vow. Dez Is with top brand. He did. He's Mexican. That's the Crossover Joseph. Joseph Di as is not what's up but he's Mexican that's crossover. That's what you meant. I mentioned missing missing misinterpreting. What you meant by Crossover Woah? Then apologize and if you met. If somehow there's no way anyone will get crossover and and super fight confused confused but if you saying superfly he probably had to fight tank at one thirty and if and if any Kevin is a big fight for tank than watch seven can't be a big fight for Chicago but I think the Varda's is a big fight. That's what two or three division champion idea India That's a big fight He could do he could do one. Twenty Regal's Oh I won't even have them mm stick around and one twenty six for rigo and again remember to feather way to super furthers only four pounds so if he could do so if he could do non perils Dinnie in that big division where Haney t a female deal you know tank if he stay up there Robert Not stor like now man. He's young remember. He's young he's young. Okay I'm Google. Just how young. But he's young long and he got that title early so now that's not true man. Listen he from north to he sold tickets in credential. He sells in Madison Square. That whole black Friday should that's bullshit man Kamal Man Earl Soham downtick as well. He ain't black normal man. Whatever ever fucking foy was black last I might check man? He the blueprint. We can't stop talking about and he just. They just gave another award awards he was nominated or or he got signed for being something. Decade fighter can never stop talking about fluid last. Check that boy black Bonnie talked to me on a boomerang. Just listening brother do. You're saying I chant will then Let me see that means. Everybody is set Mister PBC closes out. They say that Everybody wants to talk about these numbers. I remember the first people who talked with Floyd Mayweather and that was old media and then it went to the UK. Trying to downplay the on. Say I've been watching this show for a minute. And then that's when I started realizing the numbers are paying attention is when the UK Talk Shit about Say Louder now pulling in the same number of Anthony Joshua eighty thousand people and Windy. So let's keep a real on that Charl isn't really for the number that he did this out of pure heart and then can't he got the success of the numbers after the fact you know just trying to proves himself and I wasn't paying attention to the numbers at all. I never do. I think this is old media trying to come back at a boxing fans. We're coming back with the number of the seven phase. You know that's what I think about it and For me whether he's the one who made the blueprint to make you pay. Hey tension to the money to so we gotta remember that and the UK brought them money when it came to the water trying to prove the hill. Make enough to get Joshua fight. So that's my mother phone. Call out the foyer. Whether shot up to Mike and this I wasn't Roy Black. Ah Going on these days man Michael giving some time to load up there this. It's actually Maurice Right no matter what the Hell S. I can't even see that is Seltzer. Oh Ducey doocy and number was the deal. It's not just wanted to weigh in on this number situation. Manley first of all. Let me start by saying the numbers numbers. Show us that Charlie here to get amazing. I WANNA shout out loud. Understated growth of Trillo startled. You know what I mean. We can see that bottom batting numbers because may allow women are numbers. Don't you know what I mean like. Numbers is validate our favorite stars star as they as we gotta understand. We've always wave one advice. It didn't make financing. As far as as far as boxing history goes back Kale is even being one of the one of the most common quote unquote duck tactics. You know what I mean like you. Don't you don't make enough big across our numbers do matter to the price that we will see. Not I mean you. You say you'll care about number but don't get on his show. This tunnel art by forty percent. Or what if you could cause you don't care about the numbers you just wanted to see the fight. Nana me light so salah understand bro like it. It's a IT'S A. It's a two sided coin that you plan. We could the numbers do matter and we WANNA see certain fight with no look pretty life. Is I'll electoral former intake as a fight. None of I want to see the sheep but you know why why they earn materialize because of inaugurals Bro. Like this discrepancy about the number somewhere so Just wanted to weigh in on that she may take on clothing. Show southside man. Hit me up when you free we gotta do your unguarded champ texts me when you avail. Let's do that unguarded. put it out. Thank thank you for the call. We're going out to doing at the scene. Somebody Jon Bon. It is O.. J. Will in. Oh Hi Yo see alright. y'All man I like this show man I wasn't gonNA call. I just called in and it was really based on the previous last two calls last caller will say something like This proves Carlos Carlos Star is rising or whatnot. I kinda bag the different. I Made Charles Fall other names. Charles actually fought a bigger name before and he didn't have the same poor man. Tony Harrison soldiers fight at the at the end of the day These boxes gotTA realize that party you'll job is not only what you're doing the rings but also what you do outside during Solos they they kind of they bring a little bit of flash but as far as what they say they really don't say too much of anything. Tony Harris the fight and he made the rematch. Must See TV will what he was saying so again. Maybe but Crawford may want to take a page out of Tony. Harrison's book but you know that's Michael Home up before you go. Who is the biggest give star that he was in there with Allston? I will definitely say Austin shot as a as a bigger name than to control. Your saying he got in there with Allston. Didn't do numbers. I'm trying to figure out who did any. Do numbers were or what did you mean. It didn't do these type of numbers. How about that? Yeah well he wasn't all fucking. He wasn't Fox. Tammy probably was on showtime or some Shit but all good or good. I just was trying to get some clarification as to what you were Sansom Shooting me and the rest of the listeners know in what context you meant what you meant Because that's just a little you know I think that's unfair We got to see first of all I needed. I will have the Google with the numbers worse for Austin Trout. And and then compare them. If they're on showtime see if there are at least comparable and that was in. What Year was this Austin? Trout was in two thousand ten. I was last year I was not sure. What was this in Los all scientists? Okay I'll not. It might have been on fire. Somebody Goulash should we go out to My mom my mom. I'm Jay Hawk. Talk to a production of killing Shuvalov the morning. Good morning all your boxing people out there man I enjoyed Harrison in child Oh man because they remind me of old. Oh school boxing man. The way they win added at the Press conferences and everything and Talk Shit. And that's how I was all the time back in the day we use so always have that and it will always bill the fight of like hail especially for rematch rematch. Is Back in the day always did better. But then the actual I fight but we didn't care about numbers back then at all. I mean really wasn't even you know talked about the be. Truthfully we honest The Mayweather area and golden boy and all of that best relieves. Kick that off and Now this important because I that's how they compare who's Eisai I mean. I guess they did it in the back rollback. Then it's just up front and we see that now and everything is about the liked it. Everything's about the following. Is that another. So it ain't going nowhere and That that's just the bottom line. I mean look at the money I harrison was the the champ. Would they say he got five. Hundred thousand child got a meal so you know I mean come on now. I mean the chat. Get less money these days. So so it's all about the popularity contest in ain't going nowhere so we get used to. An Essay is hard cores. All we should care about is actually getting getting back. Goddamn wing inspite man. I can't wait to they actually Puts on my in front of tank man at ten. Got Way offer ingest knocking cast out. The Kid can buy sell. And Milwaukee Talk to me was good. Eskenazi was good when Mike Riley sleep assign. Be Sodas neg starters on channel. He can't do morning. Shows shows that she had no Mohan began. Do reaction shows she Okay okay I got some point but not I'll just call the name Because I was off today I just called in the funk which you I haven't been able to call in like I want to get shit you know you my Nigga that's all I highlight you on the next one case I can't find an on the trout. It is a year ago which is crazy because I did find something on Owner on Charles Lubin which is five hundred K.. Around up to five hundred. Four hundred ninety five thousand on showtime so. But I'm interested to see if that fight did take place on all know. Let me see. This is Charles versus trout now but this May two thousand sixteen Jamal fight. That ain't it Roosters Djamil Charles. Fi- oh four hundred thirty thousand with a peak of five fifty five five fifty five thousand four hundred hundred and five hundred dollars. If it defy who else we got here Ed. Think that in Everyone Yup I. I'll be back with another one thinking about the Kayla plant fight man gotTa Talk Talk About my boy the I B F champion What else happened? Now there's a few things and you know that around. I'm thinking about coming back and doing so. Make sure subscribe to the Youtube Channel Right here at Youtube Dot com forward slash the box invoice. And don't forget we're also back at seven PM Eastern and it is Thursday so we got flach Thursday but obviously with the with the day off of Christmas. I feel like there's so much that we could talk about that doesn't need to be crammed into just the Sunday. I mean excuse me this Thursday show but Hit the dumps above future. President paths helped with the visibility to show. Thank everyone that May Try try and get no supercharged. I want to thank C.. Peterson in the super chat. Appreciate love We got another one from the great junior junior Numbers viewership matters. It's the reason. Nfl S. E. C. NBA got to expand hold on NFC NBA contracts works hundred millions ends and billions and Carlito comes back to nest. Stop it I want to fight now now you champ Yo do say catch me on the next one.

Fox Fox Charlie Harrison Boxing Showtime Jamal Jamal Mel Charles obinna twenty twenty Harrison Charleville Jake Donovan Tony Harrison Atlanta devante Davis Davis Davis Stake Gamboa Fox Mike Tyson PBC Detroit Charl
The Wildatarian Diet: Living As Nature Intended: A Customized Nutritional Approach for Optimal Health, Energy and Vitality.

Ben Greenfield Fitness

1:03:38 hr | 1 year ago

The Wildatarian Diet: Living As Nature Intended: A Customized Nutritional Approach for Optimal Health, Energy and Vitality.

"And so these kids are actually by eating healthily are doing anything, but helping their body also then further looking at the VR in the apple, gene. Those are all fat metabolism. Genetic polymorphisms you taking on a Kito genyk diet would not be your best solution is not that our genes has changed. It's the EPA genetics of the food supply. That is tripping our genes the foods of the past aren't the foods of the present. Master's degree in physiology, bio mechanics and human nutrition ob- spent the past two decades competing in some of the most masochistic events on the planet from seal fit Cuco, sparred negoti and the world's toughest mudder thirteen ironman triathlons. Brutal bow hunted venture races. Spearfishing plant foraging, free, diving bodybuilding and beyond. I combine this intense time in the trenches with a blend of ancestral, wisdom and modern science searched the globe for the world's top experts and performance that loss recovery hormones, brain beauty and Braun to deliver. You this podcast everything you need to know to live in adventures joyful and fulfilling life, my name is Ben greenfield enjoy the ride. Howdy. Howdy. Howdy. Today's episode is in every with an author of a wonderful book. I read I think you're really gonna dig this one, especially if you like to eat food who food to eat amazing food that's healthy for you. I learned if he's cool things today's episode. So I think he'll dig it. So this episode is actually brought to you by my company kion K o n a lot of people aren't aware. But one of the things that we have over. There is a gratitude journal I actually wrote a gratitude journal the same gratitude practice I start off every single day with and turn it into something that you can use it's small if it's a little purse or briefcase or a bag. It's very simple very elegant just three very simple questions each day. And I think it's wonderful personally if I say so myself gratitude can increase your empathy towards others, lower your blood pressure. Help you sleep better does also. Sorts of cool things. But anyways, this gratitude journal is just one of the many things from supplements to books that we have available kion, and you can just go to get kion dot com. Got a ten percent discount code for you on anything over there. And it is b g f one zero so get Kim dot com. Use BG 1-0 grab yourself a journal along with any of the other wonderful supplement formulations that have over there for you. This podcast is also brought to you by Trucy. True Trucy is. This water. I've a huge Mason glass jar this water in the morning in the evening. It's infused with hydrogen. Don't worry it's not some cheesy alkaline multilevel marketing unicorn tear in your water company. It's it's actually got a lot of peer reviewed studies behind it. This idea of drinking water that is infused with the molecule hydrogen has selective antioxidant behavior, meaning you can drink it after workout it doesn't blunt the hormone response to exercise has anti inflammatory and cell signaling. And even motto Conroy enhancing properties. It can even have anti-aging affected. It enhances the activity of the enzyme to Lama race, which keeps your telomeres from rapidly shortening. So these folks rucci they make a hodgin water generator. You can put your office on your home. They also make tablets travel with tablets because I could just put them in a bottle of Fiji or Pellegrin or whatever will my hotel. And and they. Work that work. So anyways, they're giving everybody thirty percent discount off of their tablets. And then they're also giving a discount on their their hydrogen water generator, and is very simply go to Trucy H, two dot com slash bed. It's T R U S I H, two dot com slash Ben. That gets you thirty percent off and you enter code Ben at checkout that gets you additional ten percent off their subscription orders. So Trucy T R U S I H two dot com slash Ben get you some water. Hey, so I just read didn't just read it was actually a few months ago that I read this book that that someone recommended to me knowing that the I am not only foodie, but I'm also big fan of eating as ancestrally in his close to a roots as possible. So read this book called the wild -tarian diet, the wild -tarian dia, and you can. Probably magin what it's about just by the title. But the subtitle is living is nature intended, a customized nutritional approach for optimal health, energy and vitality and the whole book is kind of around. This idea of the fact that a lot of diet trends offer, a one-size-fits-all approach, and they're not really designed for our unique bodies, and and health histories, but then it kinda takes the next level and kind of ties it into almost like this wild waves eating, which I'll let my guest who is you've probably guessed wrote the book explain, and my guess is Teri rain Terry is nutritional counselor. She's got a bachelor of science from the university of Florida, and she practices everything. From herb, Allah, g to cranial sacred therapy to nutrition counseling, and she works with with a lot of folks over in Washington DC, actually, she's an internal counselor to Olympic athletes all the way. Way to to ballerinas and swimmers so later on today show, I actually do want to delve with -tarian to some of the ways that she maximizes athletic exercise performance at some of the folks that she works with or I want to start is this whole idea of a wild -tarian diet that that name doesn't quite slip off the tongue. Terry. Well, you know, I wanted to go wild with a new way of thinking about what foods are doing to our body. So the wild -tarian diet was born from actually a patient zero as I call him at n stage cancer and had this rare form of cancer by the name of amyloidosis and amyloidosis is of based on truncated protein structures in we know about the amyloid that people are talking about the beta amyloid, the brain. But we re about how amyloid can really affect our entire body in this case is name is Glenys public about his work with me. Those amyloid had really a created in stage cancer scenario for him. And so I try to figure out started figuring out what the heck are amyloid. It's a rare to rare from cancer in when we figured out that these amyloid were coming from the food supply of chicken, poor beef and. Turkey, and if you know with cancer a lot of people are told after chemo, go high protein, and so with him Glenn case goes to the opinion things that occur during chemo. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. And so because of that they were saying protein load afterwards and his protein loading was actually a creating more abberant cells and two rounds of chemo had sent him into congestive heart and kidney failure Glenn was very ill. And had been given his last rites when he came to see me, and we found that our food supply believe it or not contain amyloid. And so through my research I worked with genetics researcher. She was on my staff for several years, we've been hurting out doing a lot of clinical findings of in also just making bridges between academia, and my the clinical outcomes that I see my practice. So we're constantly being iterative in how we look at the. The body in health and disease, and when we figured out that wild game in the form of bison versus beef Cornish Han versus chicken of wild salmon versus farm raised on so on and so forth. And we we took those away and we gave him took away the pork beef chicken and Turkey and started him down. This wild -tarian diet protocol in initially his kidneys were so really overwhelmed that he was a plant base while -tarian, and this is what I love about the wild Tyrian diet. It's diet for everyone and diet that specifically suited for the individual in equal opportunity. While deterrence, you can be plant based you can be as you can be lamps. You can be combo platter based in it's really based on your genetic blueprint in your current state of health. I don't understand exactly why it is that say like wild Turkey one around. My backyard would have a low would have a lower number of amyloid proteins in it. And then say like a farmer chicken is that the idea. Yeah. That's a really good question. So what we found in through the research out of Cambridge and Japan is that the crowding conditions that we we impart on these animals create. These amyloid within their tissue in amyloid truncated structures that are in digestible. And when our bodies can't digest them the bodies, the body doesn't know what to do with it. So it can it can accumulate in specific tissue or it can be it can be static. So real results almost auto immune type of issue when the Lord's build up. Exactly amyloid believe it or not are. Now, we now have linked to reweighting viruses because the amyloid speed the viral of population in our in our bodies and I call viruses puppet masters because most of us have been exposed to multiple viruses throughout our lifetime. In a lot of us have been vaccinated against them. But what we found was that for example, especially in the case of hushing motos where that's a not immune thyroid condition that Epstein Barr is responsible for over eighty percent of Hashi motos in FCA borrow. So the mono virus is puppet. Mastering the? Thyroid. It may not be mono, but it's puppet mastering the thyroid to to have this auto immune response in what we found is when we stopped feeding the body protein in the form of these domesticated animal products switched to to wild game in shellfish and seafood. We've had a lot of resolution of Hashimoto's. On the note. No, just just back up a second with this amyloidosis can you test for that? Because I know like protein area you can test for excess proteins in the urine. And and some of those can be Emily proteins both that beheld actually diagnose or determine whether or not your diet is is causing excess 'em Lloyd's. Good question. So there's multiple ways to test for will really protein in your urine. That's a big, you know, you're not digesting the protein, but light chains in the form of cancer test for amyloidosis. So you can you can test for those light chains a way to kind of know, I'm really into body talk. We say I've said that I speak multiple languages, including body. And the body has a lot of information that it gives us if we have trouble building protein a muscle rather because we're not raking down those amino acids, recombining them to Bill tissue than that could be a potential issue with protein absorption, if you burp after you're eating that means you're not you don't have sufficient headed chlorine acid to help support that protein digestion. So really, the the the back to your original question of why while -tarian it was Glenn my patient zero that we figured out when we moved him to a wild type diet his his light chains which was the marker for Joseph. Within three months where stabilized and then he was able to continue his chemo. And he's he's riding his bike to work almost seven years later when he was watching. So a light chain is a marker for we're how many of the concentration of amyloid in your blood. For the orb amyloidosis form of cancer. Okay. That'd be more accurate test though than than say like protein tests in the urine. Yes, that's specific to cancer. But that would be the most accurate way to test. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. The the only time I've really come across like like dietary management of something like reduction of amyloid proteins. This is all related to Alzheimer's and dementia. Was I believe I was talking with Dominique de AST win a podcast, and he was discussing how Kita genyk diet can reduce some of the build up of the Emily beta proteins in neural tissue. And then I had come across one of the research study that got into polyphenyls and the ability of polyphenyls to be able to to to bind 'em Lloyd's. But what what your actually implementing is basically a reduction of non wild proteins exactly because I call food the often the omega and we can get everything else. Right. The suppleme-. Tation with news polyphenyls we can do used. I just events times, but truly if we are feeding the beast than we are, you know, it's a really it's a really upstream battle in amyloid, not only for amyloid sake, but amyloid feed virus viral loads in than the amyloid structures actually make biofilm in biofilm is so critical in line disease is critical in strap in Candida, the spy film, which I call it the Donut, you know, it's a little fat structure around these pathogens which make the antibiotic therapy, very difficult if not impossible to to break into this into this bug. So the amyloid are it is a cascading situation in the body not just specific to amyloidosis on chromosome. So in your book, and I had this port highlighted actually, read it on kindle, you describe the wild her diet as the consumption of generally wild caught wild fed and sustainable animal. Based proteins of not been industrial raise process, genetically modified hormonally bacteria early supplemented or in any way, divergent from their whole natural form, including wild game meats foul bison venison, elk goat, lamb pheasant quail while coefficient shellfish ancient organic non chemically altered or treated, grains, organic non Maya toxic leggings, nuts seeds and produce and organic grass-fed non hormonally treated dairy products, which is pretty straightforward. I think that's spells it out pretty well. But when you're when you're working with somebody, how do you determine whether you are going to say them, you know, just say, whatever fish quail, pheasant, lamb versus introduction of grains versus inclusion of leggings nuts seeds and produce. And of course, this this question is important because so many people, you know, now with, you know, the popularity of books like plant paradox and the emergence of the the popular carnivore diet, you know? Many people just say don't plan grades at all. I think that's a great question. And I have a clinical practice here in the DC area. I have natural that works with me. And so our whole approaches were all different Riveria bio individual in so using genetics as the foundation in understanding why those genes were tripped will really lead you to what type of wild -tarian? Are you what wild type are you trusting walk me through that walk me through the kind of genetic testing, you do sure. So the genetic testing typically we have two forms of genetic testing. We look at twenty three and me, and then we'll run it through our own internal algorithm. Developed a way to look at jeans because you can never look at anything 'isolation because the body is such a complex highway of organized systems that speak to each other. But what I do is. I put the jeans I will bucket them into what I call red orange yellow and green zones, and so I look at where are your big. Eh call him the sharks versus the minnows. Right. So if you're in an orange zone of let's say, you have a gene called the CBS. Gee, this has to do with sulfate pathway mechanism. And if you haven't ostlund metabolism, gene than it could be a sous oxygen receive ES, gene that actually is a sulfur processing mechanism, gene. Also, have you have the MTA Chaffar gene mutation in their tool eels to that one is the seasick seven seven t which actually has to do with bio salt production, which would make you less efficient producer of boss, which makes you less efficient in breaking down fat. So in that case, if you can't genetic polymorphism along with the comp gene polymorphism, which has to do with fat metabolism catecholamines also than further looking at the VR in the APO, gene. Those are all fat metabolism. Genetic polymorphisms you taking on Kito genyk diet would not be your best of. So the before many people do not do well with fats. For those reasons backing up to the soul for issue. So so would you say then that you know, because a lot of foods that are that are rich in sulfur are reportedly superfoods like garlic and cruciferous vegetables, like kale, and broccoli and cauliflower and even egg yolks, or are there people that should be based on that genetic snip that you were talking about a avoiding those forms of sulphur. Yes. And I think that's also an excellent question. Ben in what's happened is in the past. So we've we've had our genetics have been here for Melania, right? End these nutritional diseases that we're seeing of crows in all sorts of colitis in this mental health epidemic that we're having mental ill-health epidemic that we're having this gluten intolerance of namic that we're having why is that? Well, not that our genes is changed. It's the EPA genetics of the food supply. That is tripping our genes, right? And so there's a whole new science of nutrigenomics, which is half loot influences jeans. And so we know in either leave on. Pioneer in this work related to solver along with Dr Stephanie sent out of 'em IT of o chemists is that guess what our round up is really dilatoriness to our bodies ability to process are sulfur. And so those of us myself included with genetic polymorphism of the CBS, gene, the h four the Suwalki, gene because round up what it does is roundup is really dirty little thing. Not only is it an herbicides that is poisonous to our fish and so forth. What it does is it stops the body's ability to convert solver foods to its end game, which is salt, which is what we need as athletes, and even just your typical average human for collagen matrix structure for -tendance for gut health for mental health for home production. And so this life estate interrupts are her endgame with sulfur in. So it becomes this in. Media. Metabolite intermediary metabolite in our gut not being able to be processed. And so now this garlic in egg yolk in and of broccoli cabbage cauliflower, and I call it killer, kale, actually, kale also has some oxidant properties. It is actually leaking our guide at it is tripping those genes in so those of us with impaired sulfur McCallum a mechanism handling what can happen is. We can we're more likely to get Krones or ulcer colitis or have some anxiety some depression. We can also be more likely to have a arthritis. Seventy three percent of rheumatoid. Arthritis has been linked to impaired a sulfur processing. That's a big deal. I work are as one of my one of my things in our threats in general, but are rheumatoid arthritis. People listening. Yes, it's the auto immune version of inflammatory arthritis. She came in. She was saying Tiriac can barely walk. I don't understand because I'm I'm making my juice. Every morning with kale in garlic and cabbage. Will that was kicking her? But it was inflaming her her her joints so dramatically. She walked in here. As follows. She's like I feel like a twenty year old. So this is this is a big deal our bodies, it's the foods of the past aren't the foods of the present. And so because of the way that our environment has shifted our own gut vile, for example, we no longer make the gut bacteria that helps us breakdown oxalates, and what are oscillating oxalates, really, healthy foods such as spinach in almonds in black beans coconut, and if we have one if we have that genetic polymorphism to if we have a susceptibility to Candida, then we're really screw Gould because Candida helps increase oxalate acid. We can't down ostlund acid because we don't have the gut bacteria Oxy. Acid can make us manic can make depress can make us self self-harm big deal. It's very big in the autism community. The inability of these kids to breakdown oxalates in a lot of moms have been told that your your child has candied don't feed them cow milk. Not that I'm a great. I'm not a I don't hate count. If we do a better be a two, but, you know, feed them almond milk instead or coconut milk and almond is a huge oxalate in. So these kids are actually it by eating healthily are doing anything, but helping their body. So this this sulfur metabolism. Gene. You mentioned CBS. That's a sister. Finding beta synthase that that will play a role in like you mentioned not just homocysteine metabolism. So you'd want to take into account your intake of of full of acid in full eight and perhaps prioritize things like mental Tetra hydrofoil late in a multivitamin. But you'd also want to limit sulfur groups, if you wound up having a version of that gene that would limit your ability to be able to metabolize sulfate, and you'd be one of those people who would want to especially mitigate consumption of like life, Assayed containing grains, or plants. Absolutely any one of the things that really helps that CVS gene is vitamin B six in the form of P five P. It helps up that genetic polymorphisms von more ply morphism. Also what we have to watch out for. It's not only are food. But there so many salsa based supplements out in the market. Place today that are touted as being amazing any oxidants. For example, glucose I on that's a self abased any oxidant insisting as you mentioned, right? So knack, which is is been tattered as such a liberty toxic fire back can really be problematic for those of us that can't convert the sulfur alpha lipoic acid, another sulfur based supplement. So again, it's it's really looking at how do we navigate that? In. To the to your audience in my saying, never eat a piece of broccoli again. No. But we have to do is. We have what I call Centre Lane clues in that we have our French foods. And once we heal and seal, our gut because we're eating to our genetic blueprint in our state of health than we can we can navigate in and out, and that's why feel like body talk. So important, you know, if you had rockabilly with, you know, some Cornish game handed in you did some wild rice. That's great. But if you had Rockley with flock which had raw garlic in there. And then you had eggs for breakfast that may have tipped you into sympa in into symptomology in. So it's really important that we take back in power ourselves to know, what our body is telling us because the body is constant communicator. But we've never been taught how to terp those body signals. I don't believe we've been taught sufficiently, and that's what I do in my practice. I'm not only a clinician, but I'm educator because I believed that then we it allows us to come from a place of. Informed decision in. Sometimes, you know, you're gonna say, well, I'm gonna go ahead have that that tequila tequila sulfur anyway. But I'm okay because you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna do something. I'll do my green juice the next day or all all mitigated in other ways. And so it or you're just gonna say I'm just gonna have that Saturday night in really deal with it because my guts pretty sealed. Show. Want to interrupt real quick? I wanted to tell you about this thing called the soa. So you have this. This sauce muscle that goes up either side of your gut, and when that thing is tight it can cause constipation it can keep your gluts from activating can cause back pain and a ton of people walk around with an extremely tight so ass. It's difficult muscle to massage or to target. But there's this device that I've been using. It's called a so right PS. Oh, right. Very simple device that you can you could travel with I keep mine in my living room and just kind of get on your stomach on this thing. And it allows you to release yourself within like fifteen seconds. It's like having your your own little plastic massage therapist right there on your living room floor or keep this thing. And if you have not yet released you're so ass or gotten into so as deep tissue muscle work. You probably are pretty bound up in your hip and your back in this thing does the trick. They're going to give anybody a ten percent discount on this thing. It's called the so right? And it's very simple to grab on you. Just go to Ben greenfield finished dot com slash feels. So right like SO feel so right and code is Ben 1-0. So it's Ben Greenville, fitness dot com slash feel. So right comes with all the instructions cool thing is us on your hips, you knees. Your attic Thor's your calves like us part of your body. But the the cell ass is it's the bee's knees. If you're able to to reach that muscle, and it's hard to reach. But this thing does it this podcast. Also brought to you by Birdwell beach britches. These are made in California amazing apparel their shorts are made from serfs rich four way stretch, micro, fiber, which gives you a ton of mobility. But then they also have durability. A lot of these these clothing companies that make. Clothing of all things that increases the durability. They just don't move. Well, but they've kinda cracked the code on how to make these birches move well last longtime so long. In fact, they have a lifetime guarantee, they fashion them. They're inspired by the sailboat sales from from boats off the coast of California. And so it's like this unbreakable they caused surf nil fabric and it's unbelievably flexible as well. Plus, they look really good doesn't look like you were in a space suit. I wear the shorts the beach to the pool. I love them a lovebird wells, and you get ten percent off your first Birdwell beach purchase purchase along with that lifetime guarantee and free shipping over ninety nine dollars for any order. You got gotta Birdwell dot com. B I R D W E L, L dot com and over Birdwell dot com. Just use discount code Ben g at checkout. So they have it. Now, another another question here kind of steering back away from from the deep science of Seoul for and back to some of the practicalities of this wild, Terry diet Hauer how are your clients and your patience, you know, especially those living in urban areas getting their hands on on a lot of these foods that are that are wild. That are not farmed that are non chemically altered. You know, that would be considered in many cases, just you know, game meat or wild plants. Yes. So we have were lucky that we have a lot of resources that provide us for that d'artagnan foods, which I use personally they shipped to fifty states overnight con. Con d'artagnan, and we get your listeners a link of after the show with like it. But really they have phenomenal bison wild boar venison, elk of lamb New Zealand lamb of dish that and then we have living in the metro DC area. There's a outlet called your Ganic pitcher. But also, you know, you'd be surprised the major grocers or carrying New Zealand lamb, they're carrying a bison a Harris teeter here in the in the mid Atlantic carries elk ground, elk. So it's becoming more and more available. Now in my book. We talk about that ever everybody goes wild. We start, you know, feed lot type farming methodologies for these wild game. They will no longer be wild. So part of the wild -tarian movement truly is that that we opt for sustainably raised approach to our animals of. But what I'm finding is. We've had who've. Animals on our planet for millennia. Why is it now that the methane is finally becoming an issue in what one of my considerations that I'm talking about in terms of why methane is such a problem? Now as it were feeding our feed lock cows in our our our hooved animals foods that they cannot digest. And so just like us if we can't digest the food we're gonna produce methane gas. If these animals can't digest the corn. They're gonna produce methane gas Erba wars what about vegetables, how are your clients giving their wild vegetables. So vegetables the vegetables, I call them wild -tarian, grains that sort of air quote while Tyrian. So we looked to as we look for small and medium chain farmer of medium size. Farmers local farmers that aren't necessarily organic we have to look at what our Ganic standards are because you are Ganic standards have been diluted, but the FDA has diluted the definition of whether Ganic is but what I. Call A while -tarian grain is or vegetable is those vegetables that are are suited to your wild type. Like, for example, you may do very well on on a spinach. I can't because I also have oxalate issue. But instead I'll look to a spiritual look to my my Japanese sweet potatoes were all look to my on artichoke of my my wonderful bib in Boston lettuce. So those are what I talk about. They don't necessarily have to be wild is just that they fall under the wild Tyrian umbrella because the big definition of wild Tyrian in that category is low mycotoxin mycotoxin is a fungal metabolite. That fire starts again, the biofilm biofilm amyloid in the virus on it's like this ping pong effect. So what we're looking to do as relooking to minimize those in the intake of those foods that are deemed to be air quote healthy, but are no longer being able to metabolize d- in our system appropriately. As nature intended. And it's doing multiple effect on the body. It's one it's a tripping genetic. So now, we've got symptomology, but it's also than feeding these bacteria Enviro, his column, viruses that coexist in our in our gut by on. We know that eight percent of our DNA is viral. We know that we are outnumbered by our bacteria by trillions and trillions and trillions of bacteria versus ourselves in. So trying to radically them is not working. We will completely be outnumbered. So we have to be what I call get them out of the becoming bullies in the sandbox by our food supply in have them be everyone have seat at the table. So that can be a diverse population. But when we're feeding the wrong things through Cornyn through Ps through peanuts. We can talk about that in a little bit hob the tilt dilatot, those things are those aren't the right types. Those are non while the -tarian legumes in grants knowing the book, you said that you drink salary. In cucumber juice every day. I know you mentioned you got the sulfur issue trying to avoid soul for intake. But, but when it comes to celery, and cucumber juice is that not an issue or oxygenates initial at all with those. So actually, I like the salon throw 'em cucumber, and then I had a little bit of celery salon. Troas is is a great liberty talks a fire celery. What I like about seller Sicilia has a little bit of sulphur sellers been known to break down oscillates. So I don't use it as often. But I do the cucumber by have to base juices cucumber because it's great for silica silica great for bone health. And for ligament health. It's Alkalis her. It's wonderful. It's really rich in the the minerals that through stress of we become demoralized because we Leach calcium are mineral or mineral balance gets a little bit out of whack and so in it's great liberty talks, salon tro, cucumber. Then I throw some celery in there. But so entre cucumbers, really I love it's my base. It's my base drink every day. Initial celery because I know some people I've I've heard bring up an issue with with lights and salary. I haven't done much research though. It was really interesting. So officer Ellery is is is considered a can be a high oxyde low. Excellent get depending on your genetic. So with me my celery, I'll do a like a four to one ratio. So all do one one stock of celery to four cucumber. So it's much more deluded, even then I dilute it with water, but I find that for for my gut, Viacom, that's a good. That's a good combo platter. Also salaries rich in minerals, so but everyone's different. I think that the the least of kind of most hypoallergenic is just the cucumber in than adding cilantro is wonderful because it's also a liberty talks fire unless you have the this launcher, gene that makes it tastes like soap for you. Okay. Now, you also mentioned peanuts. I think most people are aware that peanuts aren't really a leggings per se. And they they have some issues. But what specifically do you do take issue with for peanuts? So peanuts is aflatoxin. So I call it the devil on steroids. So Michael talk be ruining the experience of all this this popular peanut butter powder. That a lot of people are eating nowadays, you we'll get you some other powder that may be better for you. So as an aflatoxin, it is a carcinogen, it is a massive oxalate, and again because of our food supply, we no longer make the the diverse bacteria to really be able to break down Oslo's, but it's highly highly fungal, and so, you know, as we know that a fungus is a feeds cancer fungus feeds of Hindi defeats the strep. Again, I call that the major fire starter for a a despite gut very few people that I know of can actually consume peanut butter long-term. And I really that is one of like, my if somebody had to tell me or ask me, what is absolutely never on your plate. Peanut butter would be. Crock from up sent wa- switched to almond butter and then even almonds. What's like once? I kind of started to go a little bit more towards really taking into account the quality of the the seeds in the nuts that I ate I even found that almond butter, especially almond butter that's been blended with the skins is that that's also pretty high oxygen food. So I I do a little bit of walnut butter now and occasionally little bit of cashew butter. And some of these newer like coconut butter nut butter type of mixes that don't have a lot of almond butter enema a lot of them use macadamia nut butter and even almond butter. I'm kind of careful with nowadays. But but peanut butter is a much bigger issue in my opinion better. No way all better from because I have not seen since two Timothy especially since I went viral. I got very became very lighting months ago. A stress trips seven viruses in my body had encephalitis in the brain. I had liver damage. I had completely opposite. I was able to myself out of it. But, you know, talk about that's another component the while Teheran. We can talk about stress in the fat metabolism issue in how it really distressed intern on everything we've ever had reignited so post my post viral condition in I'm one hundred percent. Well, now, I'm very sensitive to excellent. So almond butter is not my friend, but I really love sunflower butter. I love the macadamia butter that you mentioned a lot of people though, lump sum flour butter with south lower oil and canola oil on things like that why would sunflower oil fall into that category. Safflower oil or sunflower oil sunflower oil. I think a lot of people consider that to be an oxidizing vegetable oil is not. Yes, it is some. But again, this is what I call the bodies higher of needs. And so if I'm going to be getting some really good mineral, in fact from that sell our butter. Then I'd rather get a little bit or assump- lower around get a little bit of that. And actually take a Khanal which is solver again. And it's not really it's manmade that over that. Ultimately, all for me is my best my best oil because even coconut has has moderate excellent properties. And so again getting back to that bio individuality, and so I say, I say, you have sharks and you have minnows in for me, personally, mice sharks are sulfur and oxygen protein a non non while protein, and the minnows I can deal with because it's it's again, where's the bodies tipping point on the variety of foods in it's really navigating that that food of on my plate, which I do very handily in I travel, I travel all the time. So this is very doable. For your audience thinking what the heck am I gonna eat extremely do? -able? Sunpro does come to depend to different types of sunflower oil, some are kind of low acid some are higher LIC acid. And and I guess the the idea is that with sunflower oil you'd wanna look for like a cold pressed unrefined version of it or like get a sunflower butter. That's got a cold press unrefined version of and I think that that's going to be a lot better from an oxidative standpoint. I know some of them are like, you know, non GMO speller pressed, and you'd also want to look for for high amounts of laic acid that means going to be lower in the the mega six polyunsaturated fatty acids, and those rules kinda go towards any any type of oil that's been extracted from a from a seed or from vegetable. Now, the other thing that you talk about is being preparation methods a lot of people beans, and it's been a while since I've talked about a properly prepare them, and you get into how beans are one of your go-to meals. But how do you actually ensure that the beans are in causing any type of digestive distress or got damaged or bloating? Life. Find that two things one pressure. Cooking a pressure cooker is one of my Staples in my kitchen might pressure cookers actually over forty years old. It was a donated by my mom, and I love it. It's driven base. I wish they still made them but pressure cooker helps to really break down the digestible what I call Exo skeletons of the beans that the hemicellulose in the acid that contains in also the beans contain some lichens so doing that. I also put up cider vinegar when I prepare my beans that helps to break down in allow digestive -bility. And then really interestingly enough what I have found personally is that when I at green pepper to the beans, especially I don't eat a lot of black beans anymore because those high knock slits, but that seems to break break them down a little bit as well in. I don't know if it's because we peppers have such a high vitamin c content that would help break. Down. But of that's what I'm finding usually the pressure cooker the apple cider vinegar and the the peppers and beans before in a pressure cooker. What's what's the actual recipe? How do you do it? It's so easy. I call it being wild in five reckon maker prep meal in five minutes or less. And so it's really it's really pretty easy. You're going do bag be you're gonna do, you know, a cups of water to that bag of beans of? And you're gonna put a little see salt and pepper or without the pepper. Just a little seesaw and the green pepper you can put in their quarter green pepper, and you Detroit closed the pressure cooker bring it up to to wear pressurize in put it on simmer. And you know, you can get you can get some beans done lentils. You can get them done in less than half the other ones that take a little bit more. But actually, the pressure cookers doing all the work for you. So you know, the other the other slow as you go route is to soak the beans in water overnight. Then you're. Cooking them for several hours on Stowe. But the pressure cooker, I believe it helps done that. I just ability speeds of the cooking process, and it's super easy. Okay. No, you mentioned stress and and the fat loss resistance with stress which is about talk about before. But you actually get into kind of an interesting component stress in the book epinephrine and uh specifically talk about something called ballerina syndrome. Can you describe what that is? And while you talk about in the book. Yes. Well, I work with Washington belly. Our with a lot of professional. Valerie knows rebel. I wasn't my but my daughter's p professional she attends. Yes, she she s with Princeton Bali for summer, and she's a Duke right now collegiate experience, but so what I found was that a lot of athletes, and I work with in. We'll get more into your the question about athletes in a minute. But I do a lot of illegality in different in different sports. And what I found was in particular with Valerie now is because of the rigorous dance schedules were there on out on the dance floor for hours at a time. They're pushing they're pushing their bodies of threw up Ephron to help manage that sugar regulation because as you know, the glycogen storage sugar in our muscles or any any long any elite athlete that uses endurance endurance for. You're gonna you're gonna deplete those sugar stores in. So the body is a natural as a natural response to let state vertical not pass out. Push-up Ephron an effort, I call it the cupcake because it is a fat in a sugar in so epinephrine that's over secreted over time. The reason I coined ballerina syndrome is that epinephrine has multiple dilatory effects on the body. Epinephrine is a stress hormone. It's is signaled by the to Terry in it is secreted by the adrenals, epinephrine neuro hormone. Meaning that it is it helps neurology pushes sugar. But it's also fat. It's a hormone. And so what we found is through clinical studies that we found also through our clinical outcomes in our practices that Efren opens the tight junctions of the gut effectively leaking your gut making you more fat moms or one to epinephrine these little bugs or super smart. It actually increases the pathogenicity meaning the strength of our Candida of our of our viruses of our streptococcus that reside in our gun. The little flip gel, which is like I call him. Doc little. Caterpillar antenna, they they come together, and they grouped together making them more robust in our system robust against our favor. And then the third thing is that. So we have a dysregulates insulin because as you push up an effort the body thinks that's why call another cupcakes. Oh my gosh. I just I just had sugar effectively. So the Ingles is Len in the we become hypoglycemic. And so the salary syndrome is over exertion of different over time as opposed to as our bodies were intended to from our whole prehistoric go fight or flight, go go fight that battle or flee from the mammoth willy mammoth that you can't win. So it's this the the stress response, and you don't have to be about arena to be a part of the ballerina syndrome any kind of any kind of event that makes push in secrete epinephrine over time will make Falun will lower Musa by increasing the pathogenicity of our of our bugs will increase the the the. Space between the junctions you're a tie tensions of the gut making got leaky. And also makes us the fat metabolism fat absorption goes to hormones as well. So then we can become hormones regulator Nicey a lot of women that or homeowners regulated in that case again back to Kito. That's not that wouldn't be great for them, especially than if you have back to the genetics. If you have any one of those polymorphism that don't make you and an optimal metabolize fats growing. Interesting. No, how how would you know, speaking of epinephrine and stress how it an athlete incorporate like a wild cheering Dieter because a lot of athletes, you know, they're still using things like supplements protein, powders energy bars, some some of these convenient package foods, just because it's difficulty quail while you're, you know, running a bicycle preparing for an iron man or difficult to put beans pressure cooker in rep those aluminum foil for Spartan race or something. So so how are you tackling that that aspect for people who do need to kind of kind of eat on the fly so to speak? Yes. So I got a great question. So what we do is we lease we work with again, many athletes enlists look look at Spartan race. Well, you can. Have that? You don't have an Oxford issue almond butter in the in the single packs. We've got we have them packing sweet potato rounds. Which is great because it's great for a quick sugar a sugar hit and also it helps with regulation of insulin. And we can do also we've got the epic bars which are vice jerky that you can do. I'm coming out with a a new supplement called wild lights, which is an electrolyte powder made of watermelons Alonzo sea salt incredible for managing that that electrolyte balance in the body for these for these maintenance athletes, but we can navigate a from a while the -tarian perspective, people can have fish or lamb. If you're on the road of your overnight, if you will or you know, the worst case scenario, we say Turkey is the least of the worst options that you can have some free range trip because it doesn't seem to be as. Dilatoriness is chicken, I called chicken the dirty bird. It's got the highest amyloid count of all the animals that agree. What about because I have chickens. What about a backyard checking your talking about chickens raisin in traditional like, what do you call like like capable type of situation? Right. Yes, now, but what I have found then which is really interesting is that the aviary communicate by sonar. I haven't been able to prove the scientifically yet. But I hope to one day, I do know that genetics. Get transferred through sunflower sees a some flowers of you've seen that research. But they actually looked at one another genita- genetic transfer, and because the chickens particular communicate by sonar what we are finding is that there is a transference of DNA. And so that's why I call it. The dirty bird is that what we have found. I've tested in house even Polly face far chicken, which I love Jill solid on is incredible. And he he has created a utopian farm out in Virginia. But even there there's still something with chicken. So I would say chicken is. Lease best option. Of course, if you have a heritage breed chicken, but you're growing in your backyard. That's never been tampered with genetically than that might be. Okay. We find it heritage freeze or better. But what we've also found his through the clinical outcomes in my practice, even win our clients of say, what your, you know, your gut is better. Now, let's try you can try a little chicken. They try organic in pasture fed still feel as well. So the chickens the chickens are really. Nama? What do you mean when you say that communicate by sonar? Also, we know that birds, you know, when they fly, they communicate they tau that's Hobart's communicated in chicken being part of the aviary. And so just like a dislike the sunflowers where they actually communicate in an interesting way. My my hypothesis is that they are having some level of communication that is transferring DNA now, I haven't I haven't been able to prove that yet. But what I do know is genetically we have multiple generations of DNA that are transferred. So at a minimum. You don't know if that chicken was a feed lot chicken two generations ago or four generations ago. I wrote an article about that in logs one of my blogs about how the verse communicates are concerned that to you in my hypotheses of very interesting to see that. Yes. Okay. That's interesting. And what were you saying about the you talking about sunflower seeds? Yes. There's a study that showed that chancellor sunflowers. He's actually transferred United that when they go in turn towards one another. Spring transferring DNA properties, it's really fascinating. What do you mean the turn towards one another? So this the sunflower seeds not deceits excuse me, sunflowers using the sunflower seeds, pardon me, the sunflowers. No kale. Turn. Okay. I know what? Okay. I understand what you're saying. No. Yeah. Yeah. And I've I've seen some of this data on plant communication mechanisms on how you know, one one one tree, for example is being fed on somehow transmits. I didn't know if it was some some type of polyphenol or essential oil release or like communicating through the network. What's it called the the fungal network? The y blanking on the name, the fungal network blow the the plants that's the what's that? Yeah. Yeah. Through the word, isn't Reizo. It's it's a largest living organism on the planet earth. The Mike arise on that work. Like the rise on that worked at the Mike arrival network. I didn't know if it was communication be that or what? But other plants will up regulate their antioxidant mechanisms in general area or flowers will fold in upon themselves, or you know, these plants are somehow communicating but with sunflowers turning towards one another. So you're you're saying the sunflowers communicating and what does that have to do? Exactly what the chickens. Well, I'm just using that always would life whole must lose you're on constant nerd and trying to understand science. It hasn't yet been eliminated fully yet. And so if if sunflowers can communicate through some sort of mechanism sonar allows for some level of communication between the birds if they're communicating and transferring the NA is it possible, I'm not saying that it's proven. But would it be possible that these are also? Vice own are communicating some transference of DNA Oko interesting. You have it sounds like a lot of that type pop asus. But regardless I guess, the big picture here is that, you know, I guess this is kind of the big picture the wild cheering dieted as a whole is you need to take into some pretty serious account. What you're eating eight. Absolutely. Does raise the stress conditions under which was raised stress conditions how it was raised in. We know that when you know, the beyond the the amyloid when these animals are raised in stressful conditions releasing adrenalin into their tissues. So reflectively, you know, we're actively taking that in as well. So, you know, even this hypothesis, even if we put that hypothesis to completely on the black backburner into the side, we know that chickens for the most part also because her life stance fans are so fast. You know, so short rather that their DNA transference from one generation to to another. It's almost becoming you know, this this mutant DNA that keeps transferring generation beyond generation in. That's that's that's why I deemed the Jiechi dirty bird. What your take on supplements? Like, you know, the use of capsules and pills and things like that. Where would they fit into a while the turn diet? I believe that you know, it because our food supplies, you know, ninety percent of the top soil in the nutrients from tops in depleted. We just don't have. We don't have the nutrient value that we dinner soil as we used to. So ideally of it will eventually come from food, but we just don't have the nutrient nutrient rich food to to give us what we need from nutrient perspective. And so I believe that we supplement strategically if we have a deficiency than absolutely we need, we need supplementation. If we have genes that haven't been expert have been expressed. So for example, if you have that Kant, gene than coin inositol is gonna really be helpful in managing that that genetic polymorphism as I mentioned before the CVS, gene is very good for for sulfur processing. If you have the the metal the methylation, gene than some level of of fully may be helpful in some methylated form of b twelve. So I do believe that supplements are part of the pig. Scher in developed my own supplement of a few miles supplement lines based on the bio individuality because a lot of these supplements out in the marketplace today have have some certain certain constituents that can trip what I call the big needle movers genetics. You know, there's a lot of sulfur in there. If there is something that down regulates the SATA chrome p four fifty gene, I know turmeric has become very popular of late in. It's very good for many peoples in anti inflammatory. But if you have some of the pine morphism of the CYP for fifty gene in turmeric can be pro inflammatory for some people myself included. So again, it gets back to who are you. And how are you? Right. Who are you from genetic perspective? How are you presenting from a health perspective? And how do you navigate that? And people could go to your what your what your website, Terry, crane dot com. Yes. So people could go there if they wanted to have you like like like take their rod Twenty-three me results and run those through and see what type of diet, they should beating. Yes. Yes. What we've done for the consumer. That can't see us. A quiz on our website. That allows us allows you to figure out what kind of wild hearing, you are developed for wild types, the basic wild here, which is you know, we're just going to be better off eating wild game because middle acids are so much more digestible you've got the sulfur what low-sulphur while Tyrian fat Weller, tearing low-sulphur, low fat while interior, and then there's a little side of quiz conceive. You have an sensitivity, but you're eating to those basic wild types, ROY taking genetics. You're figuring out what you can and cannot handle from a nutritional standpoint. And then you are regardless of what the diet it turns out to be for you choosing any elements of those diet from his close a form the nature as possible. Exactly in the great thing about the wild -tarian diet as you can take the quiz over and over again. And because our lives are not static. We can't expect our bodies to be static. So for example, let's just a look at him on who's just had a baby will she's just done a bunch of hormone dumping for nine months. She may not have been a low fat while -tarian prior to getting pregnant, but now after the bait she may need after she's finished nursing. She may need to be low fat for a little bit because the dynamics of hormones of change. And so she's going to have to cut back on that sun butter for a little bitter cutback on that, you know, heavy heavy lamb, if so you go below that while the Tarrant for a little bit to let to let that fat be better assimilated in the body not dumping a lot of nutrient nutrient fat into the system. So this this is why love the wild -tarian diet because it's it's it is it is a diet that has momentum. And it is a diet that is not static. It can shift along with you in how your body shifts based on your life. Yeah. I do a lot of that similar approach of my clients. Typically, take the raw data and in all use a service like typically, permet theis or strategy to get my hands on some of the some of the more important so-called dirty jeans is Dr Ben Lynch develop that one calls them. And then that gives me, you know, along with their stool data their their blood data, which I specially used for filling in the gaps for for supplementation. And typically like like Genova diagnostics neutral to look at all the little things like the amino acids, and the fatty acids and everything and you can get a really good idea. I use a little bit more than genetics. Do a lot of the blood or the urine or stool testing as well. They do the comprehensive still digestive analysis from. Novo? I love your Ganic acid test. That's a really good looks at neurotransmitters. It really gets into the him. I love the sector cell intracellular test for what are your vitamins minerals, really doing inside your cells? We do a lot of that. I also in my practice. I use a flight to really help get really granular. And this is where I feel there's there's a beautiful science behind it. And I've developed my own form of applied kinesiology within that world. And so would it does is it helps us figure out is that individual. Let's say for example, you have that CBS gene in so clinically. You would need that P five P that form be six in the form of feet. However is that if that client is highly de Mylan ated, we work with a lot of MS my practice, then that be vitamin instead of a helper as I call it can be a buzzy b because B's tend to be enervating in that person is highly minded than. Through the muscle testing. We can see that supplement is not great for them yet. And so there's a very intentional process in protocol as to win supplements get started and the way that I work in my practice. Even when we say these are the right in this is the right combo platter of supplements for you. I don't start them all on the same day. And there is a process like, for example, if we're working on somebody with lime or with she motos that has an obscene bar under under layment a obscene bar than we're not going to try to manage that virus until we opened up the methylation in sulfate pathways until we opened up their liberty toxication pathways. We're not gonna try to you know, d- Neutralizer or kill something that has to be detected by the body if those photos of the talks vacation or not open. Makes sense interesting. Well, I thought the book was absolutely fantastic. I I got a lot out of it. And it just makes sense. And I think that if you put the right resources together and you shop at the farmer's Marquis. Join the local CSA even consider doing things like hunting, go into a meet up and learning things like plant foraging using some of these websites. You talked about that that the tannin. What's it called Dr tannin? Tanning website, or you know, like all all use US wellness meets a law for that type of thing in end. There's a way you can string all this together without necessarily going to Overton or Safeway or Costco. And I think it's a really good idea. And what I'm gonna do is. I'm gonna link not only to the book in the show notes for today's show, which are gonna be Ben greenfield finished dot com slash wild. -tarian? Just like it sounds. It's wild -tarian. So remember, it's spelled with an A like while the -tarian, but I will also linked to a lot of the things we talked about that quiz that you did. And then some of the studies if you wanna send me some studies you're talking about and I'll just put that all over Ben greenfield finished dot com slash wild. -tarian? There's there's a lot in the book in terms of like some of the practical nitty gritties that we didn't get into. So I think it's it's well worth going out and and buying this book. It's still available Amazon right at. Absolutely cool. Cool. Yeah. I just got the kindle version. But there's a there's a print copy to and check it out. It's it's well worth the read. So Terry, thanks for writing this book and for for making me aware of its existence and also for coming on the show, and and talking to this talk talking with us about this stuff. Pleasure. You know, it's it's ever learning. In science keeps evolving, and that's one of things that, you know, staying open to what might be out there that scientists yet not a uncovered. But our bodies are telling us, so. Yeah. Absolutely awesome. All right, folks. Well, it's going to be a Ben greenfield finished dot com slash wild -tarian. And until then I'm Ben greenfield along with Terry Cochran signing out from Ben greenfield, fitness dot com of an amazing week. Thanks for listening to today's show. You can grab all the show notes resources pretty much everything that I mentioned at Ben greenfield, fitness dot com, along with plenty of other goodies from me, including the highly helpful Ben recommends page which is a list of pretty much everything that I've ever recommended for hormone sleep digestion, fat loss performance, plenty more, please also know that all the links all the promo codes that I mentioned during this and every episode helped to make this podcast happen and to generate income that Nabil's me to keep bringing you this content every single week. So when you listen in be sure to use the links in the show notes, use the promo code the generate because that helps to float this thing and keep it coming to you each and every week.

Terry diet Hauer epinephrine Ben amyloidosis cancer Candida Turkey Washington Ben greenfield CBS sharks EPA inflammatory arthritis chemo university of Florida
129: How to Teach Your Children About Money with The Budgetnista Tiffany Aliche

BiggerPockets Money Podcast

1:02:53 hr | Last month

129: How to Teach Your Children About Money with The Budgetnista Tiffany Aliche

"Welcome to the bigger pockets money podcast show number one, hundred, twenty, nine, where we bring back. Tiffany Elite J., the budget. To talk about teaching your children all about money. You're not trying to create this perfect kid. It's GonNa, know all the things you adjust wanted to give them a next enough exposure, so they can start to generate interest in different things, and especially when it comes to an education to me, it's as important as reading writing adas attracting. If you cannot manage your money, you will not be able to eat. You will not be able to sleep someplace. Say you're not be able to be able to transport yourself from one place to another. You have to have some basic core financial education. If not, it's going to be very difficult to adult. Hello Hello Hello, my name is mindy, Jensen, and with me as always is my. They didn't teach you this stuff in school co host Scott Trench. L. I'm I'm certainly superintending to teach you something with this podcast episode. Scott and I are here to make financial independence less scary less just for somebody else and show you that by following the proven path, you can put yourself on the road to early financial freedom and get money out of the way, so you can lead your best life. That's right whether you want to retire early and travel the world. Go on to make big time investments and assets like real estate. Start Your own business or simply learn how to teach your children about money. We'll help you build a physician capable of launching yourself towards your dreams. Today. We welcome back tiffany. LBJ The budget USTA to the podcast. We last spoke with tiffany episode eight, where she shared her financial story to give you a bit of a recap. Tiffany grew up talking about money. Her Dad is accounted. Her Mom was actively involved in teaching the children daily financial discussions like grocery shopping. Basically, tiffany was financially perfect her exact words. She had a good job. She had a home that she owned. She was saving money for retirement, but then she met a friend who convinced her to invest in a way. That was not beneficial to her. Life didn't think that was quite enough. So at through two thousand eight at her clothes to school, she was teaching at at foreclosed on her home, but rather than accept her downturn, she realized I need to take responsibility for my past actions and turned my life around. That is also a direct quote, and did she ever. Tiffany has a passion for budgeting. She has an entrepreneurial spirit, and she has combined her passion for budgeting with her passion for children and teaching to create delivery challenge. The budget needs to like fifty other things, and she is a serial entrepreneur. Massive success story changing literally, millions of people's lives today across the various businesses. She started, and I would venture to say modestly financial successful in that in the process modestly financially successful. Yes, ridiculously financially successful before we tell Tiffany's whole story. Let's hear from today. Show sponsor. Whether you already have an established rental business or are analyzing your first rental deal. Then you know that getting the rent right is absolutely crucial to lowering investment risk and optimizing your rental income. That's why the go to source for rental data is rent ometer? Property owners and investors rely on Rent Tom. Because, it is the fastest and easiest way to access quality rental data anywhere in the United States. Don't take our word for it. Rent. ometer processes over three hundred thousand rent reports a month and gets rave reviews from their customers, many of them bigger pockets members, and if you aren't already renovator customer, they make it really easy for you to test them out with a free trial A. A real free trial with no credit card required an access to the full system, and if you decided to sign up for rent, Commodore visit rent, dot com slash bigger pockets and use Promo code big fifty to get fifty percent off ramp, commoner, pro basic remember. This is a special offer only available through bigger pockets to get rent ometer at the lowest available rate. Sign up today at rent. Commodore Dot com slash bigger pockets. Okay huge thanks to the sponsor today show Tiffany Lee, j the budget, welcome back to the bigger pockets of money podcast. Thank you so much for having me I'm super excited last summer on, so many people who are like you. Would, Yes I said I'll be back. This time around. Everyone's going to be like you have to decide to have. FULL CIRCLE! I think. I know podcasters and they'll. They'll send me notes everyone about hey. How'd you get that guest on? You know I know people. So we last spoke to you on episode. Eight of the bigger pockets money podcast, which came out in February of twenty eighteen, and since then you've been a busy little beaver. You've been on the today show. You've been on MSNBC PBS last week. You were on queer eye. How did you get on there? I didn't even know. I'm scrolling through facebook and somebody's like. Did anybody else freak out when they were watching queer eye and there's tiffany. To Go Watch. How did that happen? Honestly? They slid in the DMZ is one of the producers how idead she was like? Hey, you know we've got an amazing person who thinks tyreek and he needs some financial guidance, are you co fingers crossed? You live near Philly and I was like yeah I live in jerseys, totally like an hour and some change drive away I can come, and they'd never had by ended in Nova's, but they never had a financial coach, or whatever on the sober forever it's our went in to Tariq was just awesome and amazing, just as big huge heart. Attacks me today. That was checking it on, and you deal in in Yeah, just is living. The DMZ in I went down there, and they signed the NDA so. It's been almost a year, so I've been like older and Oh my goodness. Yes, and so when it came out I was. It just feels so real, because so many people have reached out to me as of that, that's awesome. That's awesome You were on the show on episode and we went. I Sung. Your praises back then for the live Richard Challenge, which I still. Still Love I think that your information is outdated on your website because it says only seven hundred thousand women have gone through it, but I thought it was more than a million. Yes, right now we are over for the talent. We have more than a million dream catcher, so that's like our beyond be had, but over I would say about nine hundred thousand women have gone through one or more of the challenges we have. There's a fundamental savings edition credit addition home by networks, so they're five delivered your challenges that are still completely free. and. That's just for people who are listening now. If you are just starting to get your financial life in order, you know somebody who needs to get their financial life in order and has expressed interest because you don't want to be preachy, live richer challenge, dot com. We'll take you step by step. It's a four week process or five week. Process it, so it depends which one you choose there about a month long, but it's an email course. It comes directly to your inbox I use. Use My preschool teacher Super Spidey senses to really walk you through as if you are for your learning, personal finance, and really just walk through with kindness, but just real clear direction. You don't have to know how to do anything except for read, write at subtract everything off i. give you all the scripts. All the lessons everything that you need. It's completely free. It's been this is like five or six right now and so they've been free. It's really to give back to my community. It is fantastic. I think it should be a requirement that everyone has to study finance in some form at some point on these lines. Oh, what do you think, mindy? Raise your hand if you have a law named after you. Do. That's another thing that you've been up to. Since we last spoke. You have a law named after you. The budget niece to law passed in January of twenty, nineteen, making financial education mandatory for Middle School Students in New Jersey first of all. That's amazing, and now we are one fiftieth of the way they're. They're thankfully. There are some other states that have manage education. That's mandatory, so Jersey actually was ahead of the curve so. Before my law there was alarm place already for high school, which is awesome. And so when a friend of mine who actually was a student in one of my free classes based teach at the United Way came to me. Her name is Angela. Be McKnight she I think. I forget I. Forget what she was doing back then as Olympic, but she did a lot of volunteer work in her city where she lives Jersey City so much so that someone said you should run for office, so she dated, she became the symbol woman, and as soon as that happened tiffany. I want to create real. Lasting Change I WANNA. Do so through education I. WanNA write a law about financial education and I said well. There's already one for high school, but Angela is to be a preschool teacher for over ten years and I used to teach age appropriate financial education to my little one. Education to start as young as possible as she was like well, let's let's do it. Let's write a law for Middle School in Elementary School, and so we worked on it. It I it read a little differently. It read like it was really clear and specific about the that finance education had to rollout, but then we had some pushback from teachers educators, and even I understand because when I was a teacher. There used to be these new mandates that would happen and you're like well. What am I supposed to fit that into the educational day? So we really wrote the lots of soften it to say that you integrate financial education and and I really help. Help them. The educators on the Education Committee understand that integration meant that you could be doing an art project or the art component of the day. It may be making savings boxes at shoe boxes. You don't have to stop money time. You know that's that's. That's hard for educators to be like now we have to talk about money. It's like now that instead of forward like the the math portion of the day. Maybe you guys are are counting the money that you saved in like a like a jar that you're gonna be giving to charity. And so it was in that we wrote this law was supposed to be for elementary school and Middle School. We! Did all this work met with The committee got the Senate in the House on board. By on both sides of the party. Everyone was like yes, awesome. It goes to the Governor Governor Christie at the time. who was on his way out? He said he would sign it. He didn't and in the State of New Jersey. When a bill is not find, it's automatically be towed as we will know all of that hard work, but the good news is. We went back to the drawing board and you have to have to do the process all over again. But this time for some reason, there was some pushback about the elementary school component, and we like fine will just do middle school and our current Governor Phil Murphy, said absolutely. We think it's awesome, and not only do I think it's awesome I. Want to actually do a public signing which is awesome, because most laws you know, they get past. No one knows, but my mom come. My friends got to come. The school were were they did it was a middle school? The kids got to see an actual law being signed into law and so facial episode car a one four one four. If you, your Google's A, we call it the budget diesel all around these parts. Do you require a bigger pockets money as part of the as part of that integration. Here's the thing I didn't realize what you my financial France actually were paid to come in as. As its folks to come help New Jersey integrate that law into into the school systems. That was so awesome that it didn't just help kids. It actually helped create jobs. I didn't anticipate in at. It didn't hit me I. Mean when the law was signed and hit me, but it hit me like what it meant in real life until around the corner, my friend realism, she and her husband. They've got a daughter Olivia. Livia Is In middle school and one day she was doing her homework and she said Ms Tiffany because he knows I teach financial education as the budget. She said. Can you help me my homework? I don't understand this part, so I'm looking at it and I'm like Oh. It was homework about money and I'm. Might you learning money in school? So I was saw it was A. Moment of like you know not. This kind of esoteric is a law. There's like no Olivia learning money in school because you got a law written. And now her life is not going to be the same, so that's just awesome. Well I am so pleased that New Jersey has a lot. I'm not sure the Colorado has a lot. I have a seventh grader. She's well. She just finished seventh grade, so she's two thirds of the way through middle school and there's been like. A comment, but not a whole plan. What is it called junior achievement? Is that the financial? So they came in, and like second or third grade for her, but then my younger one didn't have anything, so I think Colorado needs to catch up with New Jersey a little bit now. Absolutely you don't. We have had people ask questions about how to teach their children about money, and it's tough because you know how much information is too much information to give that you don't want to. You know hey, sweetheart. Sweetheart, let's talk about budgeting and she's like three I. Don't know what I'm talking about. You know actions speak louder than words, but it's also you also need to use your words to teach your children and then one day I got this email that the budget needs to has written a children's book and I responded right away I'm like I have got to bring tiffany back on the show because who better to teach children about money than a former teacher former preschool teacher who teaches everybody about money. So tiffany! Why do you think parents have such a hard time teaching their kids about money? All one I think a lot of parents feel like they don't know about money, so they're like I'm gonNA teach something no. You know and then to. especially culturally I think a lot of parents come from a cultural background that says that it's not appropriate for kids to learn about money. It for anyone to talk about money. Yes, right, but I say it's not appropriate for kids not to learn. It's inappropriate, not children about money because his what happens. You're three-year-old. It doesn't let about money becomes the thirteen year old. That's like I don't know anything about money becomes the eighteen year old. That's like I don't know anything about money. Then becomes the thirty year old. That's still sleeping on your couch. Like at some point, there has to be an injection of education in the earlier you start the better so the purpose for example for the by needs to law. It's not that these middle schoolers are going to leave trading stocks by the end of middle school, but it's going to normalize the conversation about money. Because once you begin to normalize it then you can start integrated into your day to day like that's what we're wanting. We're wanting that the first time you hear budget is not win you're. Just graduating college or the first time you learn about credit I know I had credit cards in college. I didn't know I use the side for credit cards like get snickers bars, I'm like. The giants Nicobar his my life away and I didn't know it wasn't until after I graduated I remember I was checking my credit report for the first time I had twenty one credit cards I was like no I don't. And I was on weight twenty snickers southbound, right? So I learned that the best way to teach financial education. The kids is the way that I grew up learning. My parents did a really good job into matching what I cared about as a kid to what they cared about adult I mean news last appearance. Their kids don't care about your bills they don't. But they care about things like candy. A bike I remember my very first financial lesson. I vaguely remember but I don't know if I remember just because they told me the lesson so often. Is that I apparently had like this obsession turning on water. Tunnel everywhere. SPUNK! Sway before Pengfei was a thing. And my parents are like. How do we get four? Your old tiffany to stop leaving the water on and having a meltdown if we started off, it's a one of the things that my dad did was. We didn't have a lot of money as a kid growing up, and so we used to have to rotate ice cream days in, so we could get ice cream like once a month, but my day since I'm the second oldest was Tuesday, so I can go inside on Tuesday and get my dollar and the rest of my sisters would have to go inside and get like ice cream from the freezer, but I go to the ice cream truck. Came around on Tuesday so it's Tuesday normal. Turn the water on wasting water as usual. It's Tuesday hey. I hit the ice cream. Man Daddy can have my dollar. You just missed the water man. What does that mean? So apparently, when the water man comes, you have to pay him and I didn't have any other money except for your ice cream day our. Apparently I don't remember but. I had the meltdown of all meltdowns. Me You. You can still get ice cream in the freezer. Or the freezer? I bet you, but one thing I know for sure I never ever ran that water again because he peered, what was important to me, which was ice cream to what was important to him the water bill, and so that was the start having those types of conversations like hey tiffany. You WanNa bike for your tenth birthday. Absolutely I did. We'll sit down and let's. Do you have to do the budget with with me? Okay well. What does that mean well? Here's all the expenses on that. Your mom and I have and here's what you. Me and mommy make. So, we gonNA. Let you use my fancy calculator to subtract what we spend from what we make an really I was looking at the expenses and asking. What does that mean? I'm nine going on? What's mortgage or we paid for the House every month you pay for the House of a month. I thought you like cert-. One time it's done. It's a learning those things and. Adding up the money in figuring out what your bike budget is going to be based upon all these things cost money, and then you guys make bins, and this is what's left over, and even which was some of it has to be saved, and somebody has to go to my sisters, and then I. Get this much money with bike money so it really those things stuck with me I. Tell Parents First and foremost, so marry figure out what's important to your kid, and then match it to what's important to you and that's how you're going to start to integrate age appropriate financial education to them. Do you have like a a framework I think that's a wonderful set of things I'm trying to trying to think through this because I can't. I don't have kids, so this is a hard thing for me to wrap my mind her out with what these things are. Jeffey, like frameworks for milestones, maybe or concepts that you should teach at various ages like early early years four, five six, your position be learning these concepts middle school, so I would say super young meaning like the age of five, the pre financial education which are looking at so those are things like that's why I wrote. I'm getting my my band of black concert have been white men blah. Happy Birthday Molly more. It's all they for example in this book is ideally for three to seven year. Olds right, so you're. It teaches concepts like donating. Less versus more giving Schering, you know so those are pre financial education lessons, so MAC is a prefinanced educational lesson, and before math is even like the book rhymes on purpose. Because when you rhyme, that means you can count, keep up in if you can count and keep up, you can start to learn about number to be concerned about numbers that you can start Matt and math is pre financial education lesson, but really especially in that book Happy Birthday Molly more teaches like molly gets all these presents, and she get so many presents. It actually starts to push that her family in France. has decide what's more important, the presence or family and friends if she decides instead to donate, some occur her presence while other people can enjoy. That's a free financial education lesson, so that's something that you would teach us age appropriate for little one now. Let's start talking about like elementary school so now by now. They have some these basic concepts. Counting en-. Sharing giving these are some basic concepts that they might have already learned for elementary school. Now you can start teaching them about actual core concept like saving right. To one of the things that I I was able to do what I was a kid I had a Piggy Bank and whenever we got paid. My parents would give us money, and they said you have to always save some so so for allowance so. Making sure that your child knows that with the money that they received some of it has to always be set aside for savings and saving for why or what explaining what that means having bills conversation, so I've got a bonus daughter. She's now thirteen going on forty five. and. My husband and I got together. She was like six or seven, and so she was in that like elementary school age range a we used to introduce also in that age range, introduced a core concepts and using the right words like budget, so we would go out and shopping, and when before I came her guide would just because he's the only child down just by her. Whatever like oh? We're at a store. Get whatever you want and I would be like is in her birthday. Something I'm unaware of them. Why don't they give stuff forgetting her stuff? It seems like a good thing going. On it's always like no. Why don't we create a budget for her? She does little things around the house and we give for like five dollars here. She put in her peaky bank and she knows what her budget is based upon. What's in her piggy bank and when I tell you, she actually truly enjoyed that chance are more autonomous that we give them credit for versus saying. Go pick out a doll. She loved knowing. Hey, the what's my budget is five dollars, and now she can choose what she wants with her five dollars. She loved that it was way less expensive than getting her some random doll, so we would always do that like what's my budget? And so that was introducing core terms in elementary school, and then I would say high school. This is when you really start to ramp up right so in high school. School a lot of kids can start to work and so I encourage that like in the summertime you know making money, and so my dad used to sit down with us where we would make money and every pay period. He was sit down and we would have to map out. What are we going do this? So he was teaching us how to budget, but in real time in also you can start doing that. That with your your high school lurch as money starts to come in mapping out. What are we going to do with those funds at the end of the day? We WanNA teach kids that some of your money is for spending. Some of your money is forum saving in some of your money for investing those with three things, and you can even get like I. Actually bought like a was a special piggy bank to handle. Handle three sections so Eliza used to know that whenever she got money, she had to put something in those three sections to start to get going. So those are kind of like so high school, actually starting to do the work with your finances middle school, learning a basic like an enduringly enslaving learning how to navigate that in the real world, just by just a little bit, and then really elementary school learning like. The terms and a really really little ones learning the basic tenants like searing giving service. Awesome. Fantastic framework with that your thirteen year old. Do you have it? which is there anything you could share about how she's handling money currently, does she are you? Are you noticing a lot of payoff with what you've? Worked on over the years and that she's got a very good at advanced ability to handle that right now now see those who are. Expecting. I'm. Too. But here's what I learned. Because when my dad was teaching me at thirteen, I was like whatever do what I get my paycheck from this little babysitting. I'm totally going to the store buying candy. You know what it is like. But what? I realized what my dad realized that a lesson wasn't four thirteen. The lesson for was tiffany forty now. And so I didn't realize you need so you realize like Oh because the truth is a thirteen year old typically is not paying bills or not. Didn't that needed to be financially? Responsible so I'm okay with her. not quote unquote learning the lesson right now because you think he's not learning. Until I went I had a vision board party in January for my friends, and so she came. And she was doing her vision board, and the other day I was cleaning up her room because it's a mess. And I saw her vision board on the law, and she had financial goals on her vision board I was. Thinking in, she wrote that she wanted to start a business and is how much money she needed and is how much money she can make and I thought to myself. You think she's not listening, but she is and so to keep going so if you do have a teenager I mean they're just by nature are not listening. That's what it seems like, but it is a slow soak, and that although she's not a junior bill gates or doing your you know Warren. Buffett something is thinking in and My Dad used to always say. Let let not be said that I didn't say. You know and so at the very least let it not be said. I didn't say that I'm GonNa say that things over and over and over and something will stick. Something's better than nothing, and you just never know where it's going to turn. Because I was hard, headed. What and let me now the budget? My Dad's is blown away. I can't believe it. He's like Tiffany of all my girls. He was like. Are you GonNa? Pay Me money and I would. Just makes parenting sounded a little harder than than envisioned. Breezy, you should have nine kids. Okay, when you were saying that it stuck, I got goosebumps, because also it. She's not listening my kids listening. They don't care at all, and but then they do 'cause I. Remember the one the one time there's probably others, but my daughter said to me, mom, if we can find it at a thrift store or a garage sale can I buy it and I was like. Yes, of course we can. Because I know we're never going to find it there. Because it's a brand new thing, but I was like she's listening. She's listening even though most of the time it's in one ear and out the other. That is and you know what I think. It's really important to hear. Successful people talk about the struggles that they have to with their kids because. You think that you're just like. Why am I not doing it perfectly? Why can't I convey these messages to my kids because they don't? They're not ready for it. What? What did you say? The lesson wasn't for H. Thirteen? It's for one year forty so I can lean back on it. Because imagine had nothing to lean back on. It's like I'm ready. Wait I. Don't I don't have the foundation to know you know like when I was twenty. One right after graduating college is usually when the light bulb goes on because that's what. Kids are like Oh, I want to buy a car. When again department I want to get these things and you're like wait, so that's typically wind like I never have a more engaged audience than I'm about to graduate college students 'cause they're like. Tell me all the things. I'm scared about. And so, but imagine if you had like I, said in the State of New Jersey. Imagine you have kindergarten all the way up into twelfth grade, a financial knowledge built-in when you're finally ready to activate that knowledge, it's there there's something to you can grab for something, and so that's why it's important for parents now whatever it is no matter how difficult or how. Much your kid doesn't WanNa. Hear, it's important to be said because when they needed. They have to be able to tap into something. You don't want them to need it and not be able to tap into that. Do, you work with a lot of adults who didn't have those lessons any format like yours, and and what is their kind of take on the situation is there? Is there anger frustration that they didn't learn those things there? How do you? Feel about the interactions. You might have with folks who didn't get these. When they're almost, I would say a good ninety nine percent of the have parents at home. Who taught financial educate? It's normal. Knock ticketed at home, and so there is a level of frustration, so many people say I wish I would have known I was younger I wished I could have started sooner. I would have known so I get that a lot and I'm with now you know, and now you're. You're learning you know like the best time they say. What is the best time is is yesterday you know, but the next best time is right now and so I. Tell People like you know five years going to pass anyway. How will it pass? Will will you have leaned into learning more? Will you have leaned into earning more? Will you have leaned into so navigating your finances more so now is the time. It's okay if you didn't grow up with your here now. And so, that's the basis of what the budget is built upon which is. When you're ready. Here the tools I used to do one on one I. Don't anymore because I find that people who typically company for one on one are not usually ready. Something's happened. They've lost their car. They got a call from the bill. Collectors. Something visceral has happened and any help, but it's not enough to sustain the work that they're going to need to really make a change. I don't do one on ones anymore. Because those people typically are not really ready, they're just reacting to something that's happened so instead of created these. These like courses and classes, and largely for free. Because when you are truly ready, you'll take the class. That's the person that's ready. WHO's willing to sit for the three weeks and to take the class into? Do the lessons. That's when it's. GonNa Stick. I can't make ready, but what I can do is when you are ready, create the resource for you. So, one of my next question going to be along these lines of hey I I've got a middle schooler or a high schooler, and it's been a long time since I did Algebra or whatever it is, they're studying these days and I I've struggling to even help them with that work. How can I begin going about teaching money concepts? Is that kind of your advice? There's go go take a course. Go learn it and teach it, or how would you go about? Open a parrot and that's. So. Yes, you could, but some of the stuff you think you don't know, but it's like saying. How are you teaching your child? The teeth brushed her hair. I mean you know what I mean like? There's a basic concepts that you can still teach your child without having to be some sort of expert. You're paying bills, right? You can win the next time you pay bills. They could next to you and you can show them I'm paying bill. You may surprise. Kids have no idea what's happening. Like I, remember I was. Pay Bills Coach. I. mean. That is that I saw a was. Said something to be effective like men realize how much things cost the team move out like you'll cereal. Really surprise me as someone's I. Will. Detergent surprised the hell out of me. Like. Twenty two like this detergent. Call us. Ten dollars. My Momma fine detergent at this cost, so you don't have to be an expert. Literally just living your life as an adult and letting them have sneak peek in is more than enough, so you're going food shopping. Give them the budget. We have one hundred dollars to go food shopping. Let them pick the items off the shop and check them off the list and add them on their calculator. You're doing that anyway, so involve them in those kind of activities financial activities. You do as an adult, so you don't have to take a class to do that. You're living that life. You're paying bills, you're. You're buying things you negotiating things letting their children. See You doing so they can be like. Oh? Wow, this is why I couldn't get the Jordan's for one hundred dollars. Because we have to eat, you know and so like letting them in on some that adults interaction is going to be critically important because I do that with Elissa, my bonus daughter right so even with the budget needs so when a when I would get paid to a speaking. Engagement is probably one of the reasons why she has her business I WANNA be. She has a big pile of money. She will offer nurse ship. Rowley as he really wrote I WANNA make a big pile of money, because I used to let her when I got speaking engagements and stuff when the check came in used to let her open it and see how much it was, but then I would also let her sit Alabi and so her in business. Where like I've got to pay this person and I've got to pay this person as he was like well, there's hardly any left. You know so letting kids in on like cut off like the magic curtain legacy behind that curtain is GonNa be a critical lessons to teach that. That is fantastic and yeah. When you get that giant check, you're like. Wow, this is amazing, but you can't show them half the story you can't say. Big paycheck. You have to show them where it all goes to. Because goes everywhere, yes. He was like what I remember like. We used to do this thing where it was I told her how business where she was so cute I told her I was like you know in when you work on regular nine to five. The government tells you what your taxes are. They say hey, you're your teacher you. But the thousand dollars a year and your taxes are you know fifteen, thousand, twenty, thousand, whatever and I was like it's different for business. 'cause she's told me saving a receipt. One day Jaguar. You saving the receipt I said well for business I get to tell the government. What my taxes are different ours a teacher, so the government says you made a two hundred dollars and. And you're GONNA attack some two hundred. That's eight now. Here's my receipt I bought a laptop and here's my receipt I bought. You know closed for the budget needs to. Here's my receipt and I was like so with that. I get to reduce how much it looked like I made because I had use that money to run the business, so I only pay taxes with left. What after that I mean finding to bring receive talk on power. HOW THAT WORKS! But I just thought that was I mean. She was like seven, and I thought the back as she realized like. Wait a minute. You can reduce you. Know what your income is. I mean like holdings at Saturday, but because I explained it to her, even though she thought about it and her seven-year way, she was like Okay Tiffany needs receipts to prove that she's using these things to to grow her business bank fightback. You'd be surprised listening stick with kids. You know everything you say honestly sticks with your kid, they. It might not seem like they're listening, but I used to say that a really good lesson is like a lotion on a cold day right ever. She put it in, and it's just kind of sitting on top of your skin and slowly, but surely does soak in. Know one of the things so as you you, you talk about these messages in those types of things as your kids mature into high school, maybe even going into college win. Do you think that we can get to the show? In my view? The excited a really exciting part of this, which is communicating the concept of financial, freed up or entrepreneurship this investing those kind those kinds of concepts. What are those conversations looks like to you. And how do you get? More maturing, kids excited about that stuff. So. I think that can start as early as middle school. I can remember like my my father in his friends. And my mom, they had something called the Su. Su is very common in different cultures. That's win collectively. People kind of put money into a pot in the park changes hands every month, and so I remember like we really little because to me is just met. We have once a month, so if it. If it was our turn of received the money you had the party at your house and if it was at my aunt's house, we knew she was getting the money. I remember we're really little. They started a Suwalki was like one hundred bucks a month, and by the time I got to high school, it was two thousand dollars a month and my dad because he was good at investing half of that money was for the Sioux savings pot the other thousand. They started an investment club so here we are yeah. My aunts and uncles are my cousins are over world, eating food, laughing and dancing, but then they're also talking about. Here's our investment portfolio. Here's where it's going, so he normalized that part like we're investing family. Friends were eating. So this is the thing that you've seen happen over and over and now starting to elevate, so it just seemed very normal that like Oh. This investment clubs and didn't think about that as something odd, and I remember one day like the around the investment portfolio and I was just kind of sitting there. I must have been like I. Don't know maybe eighth or ninth grade, and they pass it to me and I'm looking at it and I didn't know what I was looking at him I was explaining like last month we made this was just like. Oh! Well. This is good this ten thousand dollars then. You guys started off with a so. I think as young middle school in really getting into the meat and potatoes, definitely high school, because even now to this day I still learn from my dad when I come over he still ambassador. Still he still leads if anything. He's a little bit, too. Got A. You're seventy three. Why is the Elliott? He likes he likes like. Why would somebody like we're here now? Dude like unique. Vaguely invested, but still even to this day he still talks about a conversation. Only so I think that having allow your children to be rounded showing them not only like like explaining like investment statements to them, but explaining what each component means, and what does it mean for them? Because at the end of the day, most people especially children are self centered like this is one of the reasons why we were able to go to Disneyworld. Because look, our stocks went up. This is one of the reasons why we were able to. Like if you tie that back into what's important to children, and it's like well. How do I do that? You Know I. Honestly Although I saw my dad. Investing I wasn't super duper interested, I really didn't start in basic quite honestly to my late twenties on on my own but I. at least it was something that I saw so it wasn't a foreign concept to me. It just wasn't something I was super interested in, but I think it's important that exposure. It's what's most important. So you, said you start around Middle School. I can tell you that age ten is too early because my ten year old wants to retire, which is Great. She wants to retire early I'm super excited. Both my husband and I talked about money all the time probably too much, but she wants to retire from school and you can't do that. Well what if she does she redevelop a you know thirty forty thousand dollars a year in passive income with what you're doing changed and mindy. Now she still has to. School. You have to graduate high school. I'm not. GonNa. Force you to go to college college in the best choice for everybody. High School is Ashley. And that, but yes, Start Your Business now she is. Rabid about crocheting. She's been learning since she was five. She didn't have the manual dexterity to do it at age five, so her stitches weren't. Nice or even or neat, but as she kept at it over and over again, she's learned she's making blankets. And you look at the blade. You like. I could sell that on Esi. I wanted to create an se store for you. She's like I. Don't WanNa. Make blankets for people like what if they would give you four hundred dollars for that blanket? She said Oh. Exchange, I can remember being little in. There is a young girl, so maybe maybe like fifteen sixteen was. She was really great braiding. My mom was did not know how to break our hair and sold on Saturdays and Sundays. We would like walk down the street and sit on her front porch and she would like rebranding all the neighborhood, a girls hair and she'd make ten fifteen dollars a pop, and so she was only allowed to work on. On the week, so yeah, so she she was braiding, and she saved up enough money and she I remember by the time she was like eight hundred ninety ethics. She bought a little used car, but what a great lesson to learn in starting a business even now Eliza was like want to start a business I want to What does she do? She wanted to start a lip gloss business, and I was like okay in in the middle of a quarantine at so she was like. So she added up all the things he needed for her lips business. It was four hundred fifty dollars. Who's giving you pointed dollars and she's like you. GUYS ARE NOT GONNA best in my idea of like four hundred fifty dollars. No, I was like this. Whatever you invest I, we we can match it I come up with. They are made her watch shark tank as these the question to. With. A little nicer, but still. And I told her to find bit. told her like she had to whatever came with. We would match my husband and I and so she made these little rubber. Someone had given her a bracelet making kit. They're little, just just rubber bands to read together to make bracelets, so she started making them and selling them to family and friends and I didn't realize what she was doing. She was self-funding her own business so I thought he switched business models. She doesn't want to look anymore, so she made, but I would say a good ninety dollars, and he's a little rubber bracelet because I think three bucks a piece so. This is an issue came up to me was like okay I. So with your idea. Sure like my bracelets and I was like Whoa. How great is that? This was not the business. This was the business fund the business that she wants so now. She's got a room full of like liquids making things which God only knows who she's going to be hocking that, too, but I'm really proud of her. Because that's what you're wanting is that you're not you're not trying to create. Like is perfect kid. It's GonNa. Know all the things you know Ed. You just wanted to give them. them a next enough exposure, so they can start to generate interest in different things, and especially when it comes to an education to me, it's as important as reading writing attias attracting. If you cannot manage, your money will not be able to eat. You not be able to sleep someplace. Say you will not be able to be able to transport yourself from one place to another. You have to have some basic core financial education. If not, it's going to be very difficult to be an adult. Wow that's the quote of the episode. All right hope you're enjoying the show. We'll be right back after a word from today's show sponsor. Trust and we'll, DOT, com makes getting a legal will or trust easy and affordable for everyone you'll gain peace of mind while protecting your assets and your family. It takes about fifteen minutes to finish online willard trust and it starts at sixty nine dollars. This price includes free printing and shipping of your documents in beautiful folders to keep those documents safe. All wills entrust included power of attorney and important health documents. I recommended trust, and we'll to one of my friends, and she said okay. The verdict is in trust and we'll dot. COM provides the most. Most Bang for the buck, and has the best wizard for customizing that I've ever seen. We did to will's to living wills to powers of attorney and two hypothesis for one hundred sixty nine dollars. That's about half of what the other guys charge visit trust. We'll dot. com slash bigger pockets to automatically receive ten percents off your purchase of a trust or will based estate plan again. That's trusted will dot com slash bigger pockets to automatically receive ten percents off your purchase of a trust or will based estate plan. Don't leave this planning up to chance. Now I WANNA. Talk about your husband before we wrap this all up. Was He always onboard with financial education? Okay, so we've talked about how to teach kids how to do finances. How did you get him onboard? He's on board. Oh. You know he's on now. Thank God in the beginning. I definitely was what he calls the bully, budget. East Houston. I be like we're doing this and we're doing this. And this is how it's going on all the things you don't know all things and he was just like yeah had now. And so it was so hard because the thing about my husband, he's got a big spender, but he's a big her, but to his detriment because he will give away, are grossly money. He'll give away a unlike who knows such such an ability to borrow money on my or can't groceries, you know. So he's an over giver and so I tried to figure out like okay. How do I get him on track? Just anybody's partner, right? How do you get them on track without bullying them and making them feel bad and I thought well I. think that there in lies that question lies the answer. What something I don't have to make him feel bad about what something that he's like. Absolutely I agree, and that's something was. Our bonus his daughter. Right that there's never a time when I'm like. We should save money for a listed that. He's like that idea. Then every time you know, he's always like absolutely and so much. That was foundation was like a common denominator so when he wanted to give money to like somebody random I do like that's aren't but can also put at thirty dollars in savings. You know like all you WanNa do this. Great will also deposit money into a list college fund that same amount of money, because it was never gonna be any pushback like why wouldn't I absolutely and so that was the first foundation of we're both on the same page I knew I wanted more stuff, but I'm like no, no less just on the same page, if we both agree putting money in illicit savings account in college on his always a good idea, and then I travel. I love to travel with my friends. And at the time we were dating. I remember he'd be like well. I WANNA go on vacation. I'm like well a case cost money so. If you open up a savings account? You can open up an all and only savings account, also you. How why don't you put? Your vacation money in there so that. When when I'm like look I'm about to head out. You can be like I wanNA come to, and you can get your ticket without having to think about it. Having to Swipe your credit card, and so that was another common denominator on the same page great. And, then we knew we were going to get married like saving for a wedding, even though I knew that like I didn't want. We ended up. Going to justice of the peace didn't in of mine had a restaurant that we as she led us us because I knew I. Didn't want some big expensive wedding. I just wasn't interested in that. So what really foot it for him? 'CAUSE when I met my husband. I remember he had a truck. That was the payment along with the The insurance almost nine hundred dollars a month I'm like is this truck lined in gold? While away and I just remember being like. It was the were end. His Ex. Girlfriend was a cosigner which I was like Oh. This is great, so not like for the next five years. Younger, do something about. This truck was more concerned about the extra remainder goes. EXCULPATE. And so he ended up. He ended up giving that truck back in owing still five thousand dollar balance because I told him it's a five thousand dollar loss, the to less greater lost with a with the loss of beef. You continue to pay this for the five years that you struck, and so he did that, but to me. What really flip the script for? My husband is when he could see how when we got the House that we live in now. We were saving saving so. We got married, and then engage I was like he's like okay I will pay the bills and we will save invest the money you make as the budgets. And I said okay so saving investment CEO Investing is paying the bills paying the bills while I was really paying the bills, but he was depositing the money in the bills account because I'm the responsible one for like turning on. It's always so. He never really looked at our savings account, and we were looking for a house for like two years. In every time you put into offer, someone will come in the house, 'cause we live right now with so hot, and then the house we live in now came up and they wanted a hundred and eighty thousand dollars, but now we've been saving for like four five years it one hundred eighty thousand dollars, but it was a bank owned property was a foreclosure and baby had been burned, so they're like we only want cash. And I told my husband I was like you know we can do it. He was you hit them. Tiffany the only one castle Mike. At at our only guy, he was like tweet. We have one hundred thousand dollars I was like. Five years. We live like Herbert. I thought we were able to purchase house cash, and that's what it was like I could see. That's when the big own online, but remember. That was like five years into. Being together including marriage so. That made him realize okay. This is what being on the same financial page can do. It can allow us to live in our Dream Home, and that we purchased a tax deed from the city that was ten thousand dollars, and we're renovating that, and then we were able His Momma says pass away. And but we were able to pay off my parents home and look after them so. The, lightbulb turns on when you start to realize to what money can do, but sometimes with your partner, it starts with a common denominator simple like Asian. Or putting money in account for kid. And how much more can he give? Now given given the success. You guys have had by the on the same page. Right coming full circle to what? What? He? What was initially the conflict. Right exactly now. We set aside like a I. Mean for Super Supergirl. He's going to be like awesome by the time thirty you know. She's an employee of one of my businesses and we put all her money in a Roth IRA and he's like what. And so but like, but like I couldn't have done that, and that's why I was trying to force with with your partner. You know I couldn't have started off with that bigger picture that I had to start off with. Let's just saving her savings account. Let's to save for vacation infant there. You can build upon this, so that's why I encourage any sabres that are that are with spenders to start with a common denominator that you both agree upon. I've got a chicken head question for you here. Do you think that it's that trying to teach finance to your kids? Is is a way to bring your spouse on board with better financial habits in general, or do you think you need to go with the financial habits and getting those getting aligned with your monetary goals? Together I, which one which one do you think I? How would you approach that problem if you're trying to do both at what's with? It depends whoever is more malleable. Because? I feel like I was teaching. Eliza financial education before I started with. Because, he was open to it. She was seven. It was like. As, he loved it because her baby was staples. Staples and get five dollars. She would literally see. She knew those one I, obviously was. She was allowed to pick her things from, and you would see her being like she had an obsession with. Mechanical Pencils I get this one for three thousand I can only get this one for dollars and invite so you see her? As she actually enjoyed it, so it wasn't a hard push on her because he was open to it and it's only Shirley I brought him along, but Whoever is more open to that conversation? I don't think you necessarily have to start with your significant other I although it's GonNa. Be Even more impactful, obviously if they're on the same page as little hard sometimes with adults, because there's a lot of undoing and learning that has to happen with kids. You're typically teaching them. Something new, not necessarily having them unlearn bad I natural habits. Wow. That's an awesome suggestion. Okay, is there anything else? You WanNA cover before we move onto the famous four questions? No other than just the kids to get started. That's with anything right so. My, philosophy with with your finances like what's the next best step and I think everybody wants to go from zero to warren, Buffett. It's just not going to me. You know sometimes the next best step is just you know what I can remember literally saving dollar about when the last recession hit the two thousand, two thousand nine with session, because I didn't want to stop the habit of Tiffany. I can say literally transferring a dollar on the first of the month. Two a savings account just to say I still save even though I like have nothing. And so like asking, what is the next step in leaning into what I call your daily deposits like what is it? What is something one small thing? You can do a day to torture financial goals, so it might be youtube. Video the what might be listening to an amazing podcast content It might be reading a reading an article. What daily deposit I'm constantly working toward like if I say I want freedom I define it and put a deli deposit toward it every day. Wow. Yeah Yeah this is oh. It's so hard not to just fan girl all over your your. Abby lous. Thank you okay. It is time for the famous four questions. These are the same four questions. We ask all of our guests, tiffany. Are you ready I am ready, okay? What is your favorite? Finance, book. Favorite Finance Book is smart. Women Finish Rich by David Bach early. So the last time you were on you, said the automatic millionaire my David Buck. Yes. You are a fan. Yes! Smart Women Finish Rich, awesome awesome. What do you think is the biggest mistake? People make when teaching their kids about money. The biggest mistake people make when teaching kids about money is to teach them from a place of fear. Kids are pretty fearless. You talk about money with a fearful tone. They inherit that told you. That's a great answer off to think about that. At what is your best piece of advice for people who are just starting out? So my best piece of advice if you're just starting out, is to do what I call simple and soon those are my two favorite words so not to overcomplicated I. Get. You're like I'm not ready for a budget. You don't need to be go to HR. Typically? Most paychecks can be split up to four different ways. I had my husband do this for different ways for even if it's a huge company, most small companies will allow you to do so to so from the very beginning, go to HR and ask them to split your check, and here's what you're. GonNa, WanNa. Do you WanNa, have some of your check put into bills account, so he can pay bills from that account. Have some your check put into a checking account for spending? That's your allowance in having your check. Go into a emergency account in your ideally wanted to. To grow up to six months of emergency savings, and then have some your check set aside for a more long term financial goal, so those are the four splits. If you do that, that will totally transform your life before so when your money comes into when my husband's money comes in now, all he worries about is the money that's on this debit card because you don't let your debit card to your bills. Checking account money. That's on his debit card is my spending money because my bills are my bills account and automatically paid my personal savings in his savings account. His joint saving joint savings account in his allowance. Money is put on his debit card account as all he has to do with spend his on his allows muddy. However, he wants knowing that the other responsibilities are taken care of so simple and soon go to HR. It's possible in Hack your expletive. BET is excellent advice. We've never heard that before. Oh, thanks I love that. All right for the last question. Is Davis for? A joke to tell at parties if you don't have a joke I, think Mendis got a couple, yes. How does a penguin build its house? A pain win I don't know igloos together. By, block. I now is digging. Yet that. Was Good. Oh God God. Okay Tiffany! Where can people find out more about you? Do you have a website? So I I'm the budget. Nissan also so platforms on Youtube on Instagram in I'm. The budget needs to at bub. BUDGET NEEDS TO DOT com. You definitely need there and for my children's book. Have you got little ones? And you're like you know what I do want to start teaching age appropriate financial education, because at the back of the book I actually have some extended lesson, questions and activities to do with your kid i. know people are like what do I do. It's like you don't have to worry. The teacher new. Put that at the back of the book. So that way you're a teacher or parent can extend the financial lessons You can go tamale more dot com m. a. l.. I. M. O. R. E., DOT COM and Get the book and in Start Teaching Age appropriate financial education today. That's awesome and we will have links to all of these things in our show notes, which can be found at bigger pockets dot com slash money. Show one to nine tiffany I am so excited that you were able to find some time in your very busy schedule to come onto our show. Do you sleep like ever I'm? I do I've always been super hyperactive kid and. You know I I. Feel Like I've just been putting the hyperactivity to good use. To Watch all the. You've had for several years, but in particular the last year or two it's been it's been wonderful. Deserve so or extending happens next. You. I'm always like I'm around for the ride I. Don't think anything for granted. I'm always like. Okay, Yeah, the energy that you have is like just you. You're not just okay. Let me turn this on for the show. And turn it back off again. You excited all the time that's. Bank when does the next book come out. So actually have my first to all of us in my books that I've written south obelisks. So I just find signed my first traditionally published book deal. It's all that book comes out in next March last April of two, thousand, twenty, one, some super excited, because it's been like a book. Idea had for a while about you know. The things that keep me up at night are. How does a regular person? How does not business owner Tiffany, but had preschool teacher tiffany become okay financially with not a ton of money came with a ton of know how you know what I mean. 'cause really bothers me that the average person. It's like Oh. Yes, all you have to do is start a million dollar business or oh. Yes, all you have to do is eat cornflakes for ten years I'm like. You know and so. I'm always thinking about my preschool teacher tiffany south. How would she be able to be okay? Financially I'm not talking about. She's GonNa. Be some multimillionaire, but be Keisha once or twice a year to have enough money for retirement to be able to afford a house you know like how does that person? How does she be okay? And so I created something that caught finance wholeness, and there's ten steps it starts with budgeting and with the state planning, but it's not fussy. It's not overwhelming. It's doable and affordable so I created those this financial wholeness kind of like clan and. Turning it into a book and just really excited about it because I'm like this is what's needed of like. A step by step guide of like how to do well with your money without having to make time or noah ton. That's awesome why I love that. Topic I sense a chance that if if you'd like, we potentially left to talk more in depth about that around mar triple next year. Yes, I would love that out of seven. I will hit up you and Tracy and get on your list of people to talk about that because that is kind of exactly what we do on our show, so I want people to be able to find that information I want them to hear the voice that speaks to the best. Thank you so much. You guys are awesome. Awesome! Okay, thank you, Tiffany, we are. That was a terrible segue. To quit podcasting knock. Jokes. Headwind, jokes, what's black and white and red all over? The blender. That's my no. spoke. Black. White, and you read it all over. Yeah, but he. Does the kid joke kid. The kid joke. It's gross, Joe, because I of course, go to the visual and I'm like. I. Did say I have ten year old so I have all of these jokes and green and green and red a frog in a blender. Come up a lot and kid to. Okay Tiffany! Thank you so much for coming today I. Always love talking to you I wanted to have you on every single day, but your. You've got your own so. Thank you! This has been awesome. Thank you. Okay Scott. What did you think of that episode? I just her story back in episode eight was just so was so wonderful, and so so powerful, and then to see like she just has such a wealth of knowledge on this she such an expert, she's so perfectly set up giving her skill set and background to be an expert on on helping teach children about money. And she brought it today with her energy and enthusiasm. What is what? What a joy to talk to what a wealth of information! And what does she say? Right at the beginning? It's inappropriate not to teach your kids about money. That's so true. I thought it was perfect. Hey, why do you think people have a hard time teaching the kids about money? Well, because they don't know okay, fix your financial education holes, and then teach your children teach them by example. What did she say? The lessons aren't for when they're ten. They're not for when they're thirteen. It's for when they're forty when they're graduating college when they're just beginning to start their financial life, you WanNa give them as many tools as they can have to make smart financial decisions, and they're not always gonNA make smart financial decisions, but they're gonNA. Make a whole lot more bad financial decisions if you don't teach them. Hey tiffany. Is it working? Is your daughter good with money now? No. I love it. That's very helpful to hear because I am rather preachy about money on this website. I don't know if you've ever heard me. Talk about money every week on Mondays but I sometimes feel like a massive failure because my children make bad financial decisions. Battery. I can't wait. I'm sorry. Like everybody! Listen to Scott. Say parenting is going to be so easy. And when you have. Change to. This is a joke. Yes when you have kids I am going to play that clip again for you. Got To get out of here. Let's do it from episode. One hundred, twenty, nine of the bigger pockets money podcast. He has got trench, an IM, Andy Jensen and we will. See you later. I don't have anything clever I need. preparation. We super intended to give you a great podcast episode today and School's out. Out Oh that's great. Why don't I do this? Okay? Schools out goodbye.

Ms Tiffany Middle School High School New Jersey mindy WanNa preschool teacher MSNBC Tiffany Elite J. Middle School in Elementary Sc Tiffany Lee Piggy Bank France United States facebook Scott Trench Commodore Dot Eliza
Sheri's Long Day at the DMV

Bob and Sheri

1:31:56 hr | 1 year ago

Sheri's Long Day at the DMV

"Won't come to the bombing Sherry show with Bob hell and gentle tiny, not always on purpose, but he's funny. And sharing your wise and you smell like books. He really are the whole package. And now broadcasting from the palatial Bob and Sheri studios, it's sharing. I have the list of the twenty five but I taken it down to ten best inventions in the last twenty five years. So it's the ten best intentions in the last twenty five years, I'm going to read them to you. And then here's your part, you can tell me which one, you think I like the best that you liked it. But I like the best starting with number ten tablet devices. They are very amazing. Next one. Contract Lewis payment where you hover your credit card or phone over a machine instead of swiping. I like that you'll like that. I do you probably don't I don't, I don't even like to put my airline ticket on it. I, I wanna hard copy number eight is a flat screen TV. Yeah. Anybody who grew up with those tube TV's boy? When I first saw the flat screen TV on TV with an ad couldn't believe it number seven GPS number six still sim stuff stem cell technology, number five online shopping platforms, like Amazon number four online. Search engines, like Google number three online banking number to smartphones and the number one, according to this is wifi, which one out of those you think I like the best flat screen TVs, no. She's GPS. Yes. Why don't you use it? I do use it. What are you talking about? Don't always use. I use it all if it's a difficult place to find. I can remember driving a kid to some competition somewhere like a soccer or baseball softball or whatever. And, and I would say to the coaches where we playing next weekend. And the answer always was some town so far away that it it's not even on a map, and I said, who we playing in that town? Oh, we're playing not people from that town. We're playing a team. That's right here in our town. Why are we going there? You and then I try to find it, and I would end up like got kids in the back, and I would always end up in some dead end road somewhere all the other parents could find the damn field in this little Paducah town, but I, I could not with GPS. It wouldn't be my life so much better. You probably don't remember this because this happened to you so many times, but I remember it because. I had a Livia, but she was a baby when this happened to you, and I thought, oh, this what's coming. It was Allie. And Allie was in middle school and Allie was invited to a birthday party at a kids house, and the kid lived not far, like maybe six miles, but in the country in another county and the houses were were all set back off the road, and with no marked Sinek, and Bob had to pick alley up at the middle school birthday party at, like ten thirty on a Friday night. I can still see that house, and he set off into the darkness with not just no GPS, but only kind of vague direction sketchy direction, basically was Bob head into the dark and go east for half an hour, and then make three bewildering left's and look for a horse at night at the clock at night at night, and look for a horse and. The houses had no numbers that you could find or see and you drove around cursing in, Dr this house to our this, this house was in the woods, it was it was it was in the woods. Now they get pizza delivered because I don't think they do. And, and, you know why they had the party there because they're so tired of driving their kids to neighborhoods close to where I live, that they wanted everybody to come to them because they got, you know, at one point now, now, this was a made the choice to live there. This was when people had cellphones but not smartphones. Bob is pulled over on the side of the road with his car half. It did yelling into the phone. I can't find a horse. It was. It was awful thing. She comes out with, and I have to take somebody else home. Of course, you always have somebody else. So that was the best part of the story. Here comes Allie was like eleven. And her friend. Jessica whatever also needs a ride. Right. Exactly. And as soon as he gets the car going. I didn't find this place. I've been driving around for about forty nine sound like a completely crazed maniac. So that's why I love GPS. I it's probably I mean for humanity is the best out of that list. Probably not. But it's the one that I like eight so hard for me to pick. It's like asking me to pick a favorite child. I love smartphones. And I love online shopping, and I love wifi. And I love online banking become all speaking of online shopping, why did we not just pose when Amazon was taking off? I'm not saying invest in Amazon. But listen to what I say this is this is how some guys get really, really rich. Why didn't I pause and go, my wife is getting these boxes like every two days, I should invest in a cardboard Cup or UPS Thaksin company can who's who's thought? Wchs have gone up cardboard word as of all the hard void, let me let me remind you of the Bob and Sheri way, remember when we were required to embrace something called donkey due dot com. Yeah, because donkey do wanted to go up against Google and I love, man, I love and underdog, but Google was already Google and here comes donkey due dot com. And we were told Bob and Sheri, don't Google it. Don't we were saying that we actually saying that on the air, the station made us through it because they got a by donkey? Sherry, I couldn't figure out exactly where Afghanistan was. So I said, hey, I got a donkey do it. A week. Make this stuff up only we could Google with something called donkey, do and use my name Bob for deal. Bob. And Sheri, it's the new Bobby cherry fun size Cy on the free, Bob. And Sheri at this is a sign of how much weeping and wailing. I've been doing since Easter roughly, when I got home from taking prom pictures, Olivia, the they'll all the kids got ready to her friend, MacKenzie south. So when I got home from taking prom pictures, I walked in, and of course, you know, my eyes were swollen side. I don't how I drove home and Kevin looked at me and said, I found a movie, and it was John wick, which is not a Kevin kind of movie. The people's movie critic is reviewing, John wick three by the way tomorrow. And I said, you wanna watch John wick? And he said, you, you love Keanu Reeves, right. You love him. What's, what's John? Sweet tea you thought if I could watch John wick, that would distract me, and I wouldn't cry. Well, you so nice, you're not a John wick. So I'll just remind everyone that isn't John wick guy. I personally like the movies, even though all they are a bunch of people shooting each other Keanu place, an a an assassin this elite league of assassins, and it's like a secret underworld of assassins. And they, they have a code of honor and a code of rules and businesses transact it using this mysterious golden coins, and there's this hotel in lower Manhattan called the continental and all the assassins can go there. And when you're in the continental no assassin business can be conducted because management won't have it. So it's like a chill place for the assassins hang out, and drink cocktails, and listen to interesting music. So that's the premise that's the whole mythology and premise of all the John wick movies. Well, you know they're basically gun FU vengeance movies. So for ninety minutes not only did he sit there and quietly. Watch John wick with me he stayed awake. And I think that that was. Because he was afraid if he does off, I would start crying again, and be there, nothing to stop me. So the poor man sat on the edge of his seat watching Keanu Reeves. Emmy out of the corner, reside, mixture, I didn't burst into tears can I say something all those years ago when he stood on that sailboat and got married to you? He didn't see this coming, CD dot C that in the wind in the sails. So the next day the next day we're talking about, we're talking with the Livia butter prominent everything. And, and one of us said something about John wick, and she stopped him went wait. What knows the cow when I got home last night from taking pictures? We watch John wick and she said, a while you watched on wack. To distract me from all of my crying. And she just looked at both of us. And she said, I'm never getting married. John wig, all, which is to say, John wick, three tomorrow, with the people's movie critic. I saw just the other day in article about Katharine McPhee. Are they sure he gets shoes Auster? She was getting her marriage license soon yet, yet. They were photograph getting their marriage license in. He's sixty nine and she's thirty five so I wonder is, is the paparazzi. It's probably Los Angeles was the paparazzi hanging out at the marriage license plates or were they following her followers? You think they do based on the, the photos that show up like online of Katharine McPhee shopping for shoes, getting her nails done having a smoothie? Yeah. I think they if she were not marrying a guy that was sixty nine years old. Do you think that they would be following? Let's say she was marrying somebody who's four seasons. TV star is. I'm not saying he's not. I think they're yeah. I think a lot of the interest is the difference. She's very close in age to his daughters, and they pose. The pictures on social media where they call her mommy and stuff. Right. Right. So the whole families is poured into humor. It's good. I don't think that she got the coverage shoes murder forty year old back. She gets some. I don't think she's beautiful talented but she thought she'd be stopped. I mean that's being stalked. When you're going to the marriage led what that's the least sexy place in the world. That's not your job. I'll say, yes, I am. Are you hiring with indeed? You can post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions than zero in on qualified candidates in an online dashboard. Get started at indeed dot com slash heart. It's Bob and Sheri, I'm always a little bit suspicious when there is a public beef between two celebrities because you never know if it's real, you might find it interesting to follow a little bit anyway. If you got nothing else to do or is it just the celebrities Jennings? Something up. You know, they've got a new album out or a movie out, and they wanna get in the headlines. I share your. However, I think this thing about Natalie Portman and Moby is real. They did date. Well, let me let me read you the story. Okay. Moby said that I was a bald binge drinker and Natalie Portman was a beautiful movie star. But here she was in my dressing room flirting with me. She was twenty and he was thirty six or so, right? Yeah. So there relationship ended when she called to tell him she met somebody else. And he says, quote, I was relieved that I'd never have to tell her how damaged I was. Oh my gosh. I well here we go. Now, listen to this. This is Natalie's version of the story. It's a little bit different. She says, quote, he said, I was twenty I definitely wasn't I was a teenager. I had just turned eighteen and then she adds. We only hung out a couple of times before. I really. Allies. This was an older man, who is interested in me in a way, that felt inappropriate even at the time I realized he was a much older man being creepy with me. She also says she's this is capital, letters, very disturbed that he used the story to sell books celebrities have got to give you if there's other publishers say you've got to give me something about drugs sex. We, we, we really another famous person. Yeah. Another famous person in order to sell these books. So that sounds like she's pretty ticked off at him. And I think he was using that story in her celebrity to gin up popularity or notoriety for his book. How old do you think a woman would have to be for her to date a guy who's, let's say twenty years older than she is where it's not perceived as creepy is the mom of daughters. I'm gonna. To go with twenty one t eight twenty eight and the reason I landed on twenty eight is very specific. I landed on twenty eight because that's about the age, you are, when your brain your frontal lobes are developing, and you have a grasp of consequences, and judgment, and time in perspective, because I think that, like, if Livia were twenty two and she was dating the guy in the office next to us, who's maybe like thirty eight or forty two I'm not gonna work for me going to get an undercover New Jersey state trooper involved in that conversation. I think that you have to be an adult yourself before you date. Another dog group that I was gonna say thirty I was twenty eight was twenty eight was the earliest, I could see it because you're saying twenty years years. Yeah. Well, that's roughly what he was twenty years older. Because a okay so twenty eight year old woman dating a forty eight year old guy. At forty eight you are in a completely different place in your life with a different understanding of everything and, and twenty eight. That there are exceptions. I mean. People that are very, very mature and wise beyond their years. And there are some people that are fifty and they still act like they're twelve. But you're unbiased because I am a woman and I'm raising daughters. So I'm super biased where this questions concern. I'm interested as men where you come down on it. I think thirty to thirty five we foresee dates years older, because Mary dated older men before she met me, and I'm older than Mary, but she is a old soul, in some ways, I mean, she's just filled with energy and all, but she, she never wanted to be around a guy who has the same amount of energy as she has because I think she said it would drive me crazy. There could only be one, one of me in every house. And I get that. But when, when you think about ten somebody in their twenties, and you're in your late forties. It just. It seems strange. That's why I picked thirty to thirty five you know, I was not one of those people that should have been dating older. Man, I never did Kevin's, four years older than me. And I often point that out to him when he doesn't understand something I'm like, well, that's because you're older and you don't understand hip hop or whatever. Right. Because hip hop. Soul and going around. So or let me explain how that app works because, you know, you're older than I am. I've never dated guys a lot older than me because I wasn't emotionally equipped to run with an older crowd. I just wasn't about myself. Do you think that my daughter Livia should be dating a guy? He's twenty years older than show. Definitely not. That's, that's why I brought this up. I think it's interesting how Moby kind of fudged her age at the time. There's even a. A big difference between just turning eighteen and being twenty. There's a huge. There's a huge difference. I view decades of your life are, they are not equal. No, there's a huge difference between eighteen and twenty difference between twenty and twenty eight right, exactly. Thirty five and I know a lot of seventy two year old people that haven't changed at all since they probably thirty five but between zero and thirty five. Developmental stuff right there. I'll tell you Natalie Portman is a very smart woman. She knew exactly how she was. She knew she wasn't twenty. She knew she had just turned eighteen not only Portman has that rare combination of incredible brains and incredible beauty does not to be trifled with. That's exactly who, who knows. And I think that he's honest when he says, I'm a arrack I'm damaged. I'm a mess. I think that was a pretty honest thing for, for him to say, we got morons, the news and its next. It's bob. And Sheri, Bob and Sheri, your they are. It's morons in the news. There's a viral challenge overseas right now where people are kissing cows, like, oh on the mouth, and the Australian government has just put out a warning to people that you should remember. If the challenge ever makes it over here. Don't kiss cows. Forget the germs, you could get kicked, if you sneak up on a cow and that could kill you especially if the cow has Cavs. The internet is making us more stupid. I like cows, as you know, if I see cows, I get excited fun. Don't kiss the they are more dangerous than sharks. That's right. Where people are injured and killed by cows than by sharks kissing cow. Puppy. I don't have any even have to know about the danger. You know what bring your in your tone down because no one is asking you to apologize for not wanting to make out with a bovine. You don't have to feel defensive about not wanting to kiss a cow, who is the person who started the. A drunk, one a drunk perceive. About that. I do they do. Have those big rubbery soft lips though? I mean I can see how it certain guys could be drawn to that. And if they have the right markings on their face. Oh, yeah. Round is there's a big difference between live Tyler and Elsie. Okay. Live appreciates your pointing that out. Today's more of the day is one of the favorite images ever in morons. In the news, this happened in Florida, of course. Dave Jacobs who lives in Georgia? He and his family were in Florida to attend a friend's wedding when they and they were staying in an Airbnb and south Miami when his fourteen year old daughter said, dad. Oh my God. That is so mad and they looked outside. And there was an alligator alive, alligator low in the pool atop an inflatable alligator. No. It's a gator on a gator. Oh my gut. It is. I'm looking at the picture that is the craziest, you had to see this picture. And we will text it to you right now. We will send it to your phone when you text the word moron to eight eight eight two six to seven four three seven. So what happened after they saw the gator floating on the gator his brought him a pinochle oughta enjoy the rest of his wife called the Airbnb as owner who called wildlife management. A gator Wrangler, eventually fish, the reptile out of the pool. He the gator Wrangler told the family sorry, took me so long to get here. We're busy, because it's gator meeting season. That's the first time in my life, I've seen an alligator not in a swimming pool, but floating on an inflated alligator. It's something that you would see in a cartoon and Wally gator or a corona beer trashy, and it would be made up. That's exactly right. Well, there's a woman name, Georgia Suwalki, and she lives in west Newton, Pennsylvania, and she had a birthday on Wednesday of last week, she turned fifty five. So she expected that her new boyfriend, David Ray would be doing something they've been living together for about four months. He didn't do anything. He didn't get her a present. He didn't by Georgia cake. He didn't even give her a card. So after Georgia's spend her birthday drinking vodka. Let me read that again. So after Georgia's spent her birthday drinking vodka she wound up grabbing a box cutter and going after David with it. He ended up some cuts in his arm. She was arrested and has been charged with assault and probably is going to do a little time. You're very few things. That are more scary than a box cutter. I'm getting there, there are some people that demand that their birthdays treat it like national holidays. Georgia's nor like one. Wow. If you wanna see gator floating on a gator in Miami pool techs stored moron right now. Two eight eight two six to seven four three seven. Fat. We all love video doorbells voice assistance, have changed our lives. We can control our home with a touch indoor and outdoor cameras help us keep watch. We want to guard our digital lives and take security with us on the go with ADT you can have all of these things combined the twenty four seven monitoring from the most trusted name in home security, ADT real protection. Visit ATT dot com to learn more licensing formation available and eighty dot com. Visit your local Certa retailer today and save up to six hundred dollars on select Certa icomfort sets at the Memorial Day, instance savings event, not just sorta comfortable Serta, comfortable offer me very busy, your retailer on Certa dot com for details. It's all right. Let's hear from let's hear from one of our listeners with our talkback thing you go to our app, and there's a little microphone hit it, and you can talk to us, and this is what it sounds like. Hey, Bob and cherry. Cory. I live in Clinton, though, I am from Connecticut. So Bob, I know all the places you talking about and love it. I also had a fear still kind of fear of bridges when I was a kid. My father would tell me that the button in the front, probably the hazard lights turn the car to vote. And for some reason, I was not smart kids realize the ball would probably kill us voter not. But does it help a little, however going over the Washington bridge, I would have to be on the top in not under because I figured I had a better chance to survive. Ing on the top is it collapsed, which I believe. But I did find out later on that when I was a kid. We went over a bridge in, I think, New York way ours regionally from and did actually collapse, like three hours after we went over it. But I didn't know that. So that doesn't count she that all of your. You're back. My father has just jerkin you around when we used to go to the beach. We would go through the Baltimore harbor tunnel and riot brother, and I would try to hold our breath, right? Because we're going under the water in case something should happen in the tunnel you were prepared. I have no idea what that meant, but, but somehow per pair, why not keep breathing into, you know you're wasting some lung power. You know, when you see the, the actual water coming in the tile wasn't the smart, brother. Every time I'm in that tunnel. I think, well, this would be a bad spot to be when zombie apocalypse breaks out 'cause you're trapped through Trump to you're trapped. My father had a of Connecticut turnpike was famous for having tolls. And they're putting up even the governor of Connecticut or just read the other day is putting up even more tolls to, to raise money the state needs money. And so, you know, you'd have to pull up to the toll and pay. Well, then they went to assist them where you could put a special license plate on the front of your car, and you could drive right? Yeah. So he told he got one and we got my grandmother, and we got my brother, my mother, and I all crammed into the Pontiac, and he's got this thing up in the front and we're driving up, when I'm you know, ready for him to stop for the tolls and he drives right through because you don't have to stop with the license plate. And as he drives right through. He rolls the window down. He goes go to hell. Just keeps going and I was going oh my God. Daddy, just blew through. I pay it. My dad he's an outlaw. Only my father. What a terrible terrible. Oh, speaking of things on the road. Listen to this. I was this is at right after alleys wedding. And I'm in my car, and I forget where I'm going, I'm going into the house that we're staying. I'm going toward it. I'm in the left hand lane because in order to get into the, the resort area. I've got to be in the left hand lane. There's a must thing behind me. Right. So actually, I'm in the right hand lane. I, I want to get in the left hand lane. So I put on my blinker and I see in the rear view mirror. The little light on the Avalon is not coming on. So it safe to make a you know, a turn the guy is not real tight, but he's not real far away. It's in between. I'm in the right. I put the blinker on. And I get into my Lynn is soon as the guy in the most thing saw me making that move. He Florida came around took my half of the lane was within four five inches of my car, o it gets better. Oh, it gets better. And then cuts in front of me. Me between me and another car to get into my lane. No. He goes back into the lane that he was in. Oh, he was going to teach you a lesson. I, I don't know why he did that. I'll tell you because he, he didn't. That's why he's the whole bag, but he was in believing that he just came around me. There are people who resent anyone doing anything on the road that they prove why he was going to school you. But when doing wrong Cifra changing lens to get out of his way dare you he was he he went back into his own lane. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Are there guys who buy muscle cars? I mean, the mustang's a great product. Are there guys who buy those cars just to pretend that they're NASCAR drivers once in awhile? I don't know about muscle cars. I don't know about all guys, but I used to be married to one of those guys, and it is exhausting how, so just dry. Five just get in the car and drive to your destination. You are not a by God and you were drinking buddies, DMV monitor new. You're not a race car drivers. None of your business with that lady in the Jeep Cherokees doing just mind your business drive, where you're going. What is it with some guys, though, that it has to become like a competition like a race? Those guys just don't. I mean first of all, you ain't got the stamina, dude. I saw the guys who went by you. We got the stamina to be a NASCAR driver. Those guys are, are at those guys, who drive like that are so difficult to get along by bet. They are. But to almost thrash us in order to get back into the lane already in. He was making a point. Here was the point you change lanes and didn't give him enough Rupe you on those pious getting him out. I was done care you disrespect it him and he's going to school you now. Well, I have to take maxes advice, just let things like that go, because people are raise how rage ful. And not that person is going to be that way. That's what I mean. Not so work, bad. It's Sherry get Lamar's reviews sent right to your phone text movie to eight eight eight. Bob, Sherry, okay? This is wild. They're tokyo. Police have created a free app that is for people to use on rush hour trains, because apparently, there is an enormous problem on these very, very crowded trains Japan with gropers, and perverts. The chains are so crowded. Loopers congest. It's like it's like they're shopper for fruit at the grocery store. They're all over the place. Like, there are so many gropers that they meant a lot of them go unreported. They've had nine hundred plus groping claims report. It just in a single year in the past couple of years onto trains. And so you can go to jail for six months in Japan. If you're busted being a groper, so the Tokyo metropolitan police department. Hilton app, and it's called digit police and the deal was, it was originally designed to help elderly people protect themselves from scams. So let's say you called an elderly person and you're trying to sell them something or get them to give you money. They could they could open up their digital police app, and it would help them know whether or not you religious it, but they just added a new thing to this police app. And I downloaded it but it's all in Japanese, and I don't I can't figure out how to make it work. But here's what happens. You're on the Tokyo train. And you've got your police up on your phone, and a fellow passenger gropes you more or in any way touches you. You tap a button tap the screen and this loud voice screams out, stop it. There is a molester. Stop it. There is a Malays. That's priceless. Not awesome. That is great more than ten thousand people, a month or downloading and using this app. Now, you know with my look I finally get to visit Japan. Dan? And I'm on one of the trains. I'm just standing there. Woman has it. And she just her knee, bumps it, and I'm the only guy. I would be awful key. You imagine how wild that must be. That's like something out of a movie like blade runner, something that size. That's great. They have they have a train over there. Now I think that just opened up. I don't know where it goes. But it it's not just in Tokyo. It goes somewhere else in the country to it. Can get you to where you're going as fast as an aeroplane is that the train that actually let it's a magnet and it levitated. I don't know. I just read how fast I don't even know the miles per hour, but it can get you there as fast as a plant. I read about it might be the same train. I think it must mean that the way that that train works is by magnet propulsion, if you're an engineer person listening to this your probably excited to be married to one of your kind you probably going all who doesn't know about that. Well, we didn't know about that. And here's how it works. The train there's there's like a cushion of air like. The two magnets, repelling against each other. Sure. And the train is rocketing along at hundreds of miles an hour, because there's no friction but doesn't it freak you out that something going that fast that big that heavy rocketing along on a cushion of does it does? I mean, how could they be sure that a cow is not going to step in front of it? You know, or or a bus or something like that you're going, I don't know how many hundreds of miles per hour. The thing that, and I don't know why it would be scarier to me that it's on that cushion of air, as opposed to directly in touch with the rails or the tracks. But doesn't that kind of freak you out a little, it's because I'm so pro-trade? I just love trains. I wish we had more of them in our country that, just blows my mind. The idea of something moving hundreds of miles an hour levitating above the ground like that, you still want to be benefit as groper. I don't can you imagine? Then I'm spending six months in a Japanese hell hole of a prison East Japan Railway. This is how bad the groping situation is East Japan Railway during rush hour has women only train cars. No. Allowed on I have never heard of anything like that. I, I had no idea worst example of groping. I ever saw was in New York City guy was with his girlfriend and a convertible stopped at a light on the east side. I just got out of the sidewalk went over grabbed got back in with the crowd. Couldn't believe this. Staff you won't hear on the show, the Bob and Sheri odd cast on the Bob and cherry app. Get it now in tune store or Google play for Bob and Sheri small plates, before I get into this, I'd like to point out that I've been doing these small plates thing for weeks and weeks and I have been accused by some people of like doing a bit. And then never coming back to it again. I have not been complimented that I have stayed with this in his become very successful small plates. Bits including Bob's high horse, ak-, wile, guests, Bob's big quiz. Bobby? Bobbing. Bob's big question. When he did speak quiz. He confused about what the name of his own. Question. No, it's with. One question. That's fine. Go on. And you know what it says about me, let me tell you what it says about me. I never give up always forgot about Bob. Yeah. What about? Oh, what about the hip hop report? What about? Nope. No is one that lasted about a minute. The table of wisdom. Yeah. I you know, throughout table of wisdom, where we would give advice to people, and people, they rejected it just didn't work for whatever reason. Yoyo. What's up? What's up cookout lookout hip hop report from the Tories. He'll he'll be giving up. Hey, I've got news in the bobbin in the Bob's hip hop report. How cool is this? What's his name? We'll nasdaq's. Billy Ray Cyrus a Muslim Roddy for joining him on his song, and weight had the MAs Roddy deliver by a post mates driver. It'd be I should revisit this. Have you forgotten about Bob's who voted totally go to small plates? If we have time. Justin bieber. Just announced he's going to release all natural plant based the odorant old here in now. It'll be vegan and cruelty free such a dream for me. I can smell a Justin Bieber. And speaking of smelling, like celebrities appeared, this together sheer has a new fragrance on the way. It's genderless. It's called OD couture by share. And she says this is a genderless scent. What is it? What do you think that means jump what it means? There's some men's colognes that smell amazing on women. There are a lot of league neutral citrusy, or sandalwood, or musky kind of colognes that can go either way. So genderless means you can wear it. I can wear share can wear. We saw in bed with my wife and she says, oh, got some Colona, and I say to her. Yeah, I smell like share Donut. That'll little turn a. Oprah donated a half a million dollars to an after school program at Newark, New Jersey, high school just the other day. Good for her has given. Millions. I know she was called out oak PO come. You didn't do what Robert what was that guy's name? Robert smith. The billionaire who did it. And she said, I've give it away, like you know, thirteen million dollars to college, Amy Schumer got met mom. Shamed. Online for doing a standup show, two weeks after giving birth you know my own business if if. Felt like she could do it do it now, I have to say as everyone knows who listens. I wish I could give birth if I did good birth, I would not be going on stage two weeks later. I was back on the air within two weeks. I was in the hospital for a week with Livia and then back on the air in two weeks from working from home. We're coming air zero maternity with those kids that's true. So and Amy Schumer responded to her mom, shaming credits by post your picture on social media for self pumping. For. We give them so much pallet say Bob is right. And it can't be expressed strongly enough mind your business, nobody's telling you, what you should, or should not do with your baby. Strained your biz. This blows my mind. I know she's so successful and people love her selene Dion. How many pairs of shoes you think selene de onions? All right. Let me an I. I it's her money. It's her money. She loves fashion. She loves shoes. I'm gonna go with two thousand four hundred ten thousand shoes. You would have to help a small house as your closet, wouldn't. How would you remember? I don't know what you had so the color coordinated so that you could wear them or like Alicia, SilverStone inclu. Listen, Peter is. Right. And finally, there is a list going around. It just came out of the top shows of two thousand and nineteen thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen because the season is pretty much over there going into reruns now, and a lot of networks, and they're preparing for the fall, blah, blah, blah. The big bang theory, lasted thirteen twelve seasons. Well, ABC's finale, I won't ruin it for anyone who hasn't watched it yet. Oh, god. Look, I need anything. More to make me cry. The big bang theory, went out after twelve years as the number one non sports show on TV. No arctic. They cancelled it after twelve years, they would have kept it going on CBS, the producers said, Tim Parsons did wanted to it anymore night, or stand that because he's going to be thought of as nothing. But that character didn't move onto something else. But that is pretty amazing to aren't that many shows that go out as number one Lamar's were news, sent right to your phone movie to eight eight. Bob Sherry, so I did not tell you what happened to me at the DMV, first of all, like I am so glad I'm not a kid right now because I had no parents, and I did everything in the world by myself without a parent. Today. Your kid cannot walk into the DMV and do anything without apparent. I don't know if you've realized that I had to sign in three different places for my daughter to take test for a learner. So I think I think I walked in, when I was sixteen I noted myself. Yeah. I, I didn't get a driver's license till I was nineteen. But my boyfriend drove me there, and I took the test, no parent, no parent involvement. I'm so thankful. Thank you, God for letting me be born at a time when children that were raising themselves could do. So with these like you registered yourself for school. We went to the DMV, so I go to the DMV and the DMV lady is so nice. We had the nicest DMV lady, and she six planing to me what we need to do to get a real ID. So I'm just bringing my kid there for her learner's permit. But just to get a learner's permit. I need it documentation. From the school documentation from the driver's Ed place, her actual original social security card her. Actual original. Certificate and proof of an address. That's to get the test for learners point. You think that they require so much? It's we live. It's post nine eleven America. That's what I'm figuring live in different times. The terrorists did this to us. So she's explaining the idea, and she said to me now mom, if you have one more piece of documentation with her address, we can do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I looked at the lady and said, she's two feet tall she doesn't get mail. I got I got nothing here. Like I don't even know what she pays no ghost. That's ridiculous. So we she goes and she, she gets in line. She gets her number. She's like K one. Oh, five or whatever for the things we sit down and the DMV is filling up. But there's only like five people ahead of her. I am feeling. Very, very good about, by the way. Those words the DMV is filling out. Spilling some of the scariest or most depressing Moore's ever spoken. And I look over, and I said, girl, we nailed it today, you're going to be in and out here. Oh, time, do not fail this test. Because if you fail this test, not only do we have to come back here in seven days. That's the new law. You have to wait a week, but every member of the family will make fun of you. And I will not stop them. Oh, put some pressure on the kid. Hey, you know what? It's tough world. You gotta start getting ready for the tough work, but you don't want it make somebody nervous when they're going into something like that. That's like me playing an attorney in Gulf. And, and I've got a hit the green, and if I do we have a chance to win. And my partner says to me, no, don't screw it up legally blonde. There needs to focus so we're sitting there and suddenly all the lights go out, and then they come back on. And then they go out again, then they come back on, and the DVD V lady, stands up and says, ladies and gentlemen, the entire DMV internet has crashed. Oh, no. We can process nothing. So legally blonde stands up to leave. And I said, sit down I am not giving up my place in this DMV line. What happened? We're going to wait. And see if the system comes back up, we're going to wait till fifteen at three eleven the DMV eighty points to carry me and said, baby girl, it's working get over here before it crashes again, my tax dollars at work. She took the test. She passed. I had chest pains, I was breaking out into a cold sweat shops. I've been to the DMV. Yeah. You want to go again. So pass the test, I said to her, she got up to baby girl, come over here. I grabbed a holdover t shirt and a yanked and said, do not fail this. Good for the lady at the DMV loved that late. Her first name I shouted out, but I love you. And thank you. Emotional pain, may not be visible, but the impact it has on your life every day in every way is maybe it's stress maybe things -iety depression, grief, trauma anger family conflict. Whatever it is. That's holding you back and keeping you from the happiness and the piece that you deserve. There's help out there, people know that there'd be exists, but depending on where you live and what your financial or insurance situation is it can be a daunting prospect to find a therapist and be able to afford it. And this is where an incredible option called better. Help comes in better. Help allows you to connect with your professional counselor in a safe private online environment. Anything you shares confidential, it's so convenient you get help at your own time, and at your own pace, you can even schedule secure video, or phone sessions, plus chat and text with your therapist with. Better help dot com therapy counseling is available to everyone. This is a new way. This is the wave of the future because living with emotional pain is something you don't have to do reach out to better help dot com, the affordable option and tell them the Bob and Sheri show sent you. You can take ten percent off your first month when you use our code better. Help. H. E. L P better help dot com slash Sherri. You simply fill out an easy questionnaire. It helps them. Get started and assessing your needs a matching you with a counselor that you will absolutely love better. Help dot com slash Sherry and take ten percent off your first month better. Help dot com slash Sherry. Don't wait. You deserve peace you deserve to be happy and help us out there at better. Help dot com slash Sherry. A very special announcement ahead give up to three hundred dollars off select Dell and alienware computers. With Intel core processor, eight hundred. Dell or go to Dell dot com slash Memorial Day. It's Bob and cherry, I don't know if anyone is following this new story about the go topless Galveston event. I, I guess if you don't live in that part of the world, maybe it hasn't really been a big deal. Here's what it is. Go topless Galveston is a giant party on the beach for Jeep enthusiasts, basically people with GPS. And, and this is in this beach in Galveston looks the public beach, and you're allowed to bring your vehicle on it. And so people come out, and they I believe the topless part means the roof of the gene, the Jeep, not your, your body. But anyway, people come out and they throw a big party. Well this year's go, topless Galveston event, went buck wild police ended up arresting lick hundred twenty five people there, there's a petition going around demanding like almost twenty thousand people have signed a petition saying ban go, topless Galveston. There were bra. Paul's a car was set on fire. There were head on collisions. A drunk driving people like full on X Rayed it behavior in full view of the public. And so, but here's here's what I want to share. And if you want me to, I'll, I'll tell you what's in the video, and then you tell me whether or not you want me to post it watching some of the videos of the these bras, on this beach is such a powerful reminder that in real life when people fight each other. They look really stupid. It's not like the movie, so it's not like the media this movies and TV shows, fist fights, and brawls choreographed, like ballet, but in real life. Here's what you see in this video, you see a bunch of guys in their bathing suits, just taking swings and kind of pummeling at each other, but it's awkward. And you know what I was like, I second hand embarrassment watching it, and then at one point a girl in a red thong, bikini. Breaks up the fight now you know, this is not an action movie or a Batman movie when a little tiny woman in a thong, bikini is what broke the fight up. You know, sometimes when it's real life fighting the guys look silly hit a full Philly. Yeah. So I'm looking at the only thing in this video that, that the reason I haven't posted it yet. And so we're going to take a vote. The only thing in the video that gives me pauses the thong part because, you know, like some people might be offended by that or whatever. But the but there's no X rated stuff now. So when you watch this video, here's what you, you say to yourself. You go self take note, keep your shirt on keep your alcohol, drinking to a moderate level, and don't get into a public fistfight because you are going to look stupid and pathetic. I think a girl in a thong bathing suit is not quite that big of a deal. So you want me to host it? Yeah. I think it's okay. I mean I haven't seen it yet. I it's going to the wrong beaches. Because every time I go to the beach, it's, it's all kids. And families. There are no thongs at the beaches that I go to you are going to the wrong based on one. This is crystal beach in Galveston. What I'm seeing you are definitely going to the rose. Meanwhile, a lot of the people who are who were there just to like do the Jeep lifestyle. Whatever that is. I, I live the minivan lifestyle where the only thong that I'm involved with might be a shoe. Right. The people that were there that were legit and, and not creating mayhem, mar outreach that they're getting tagged as savage animals because of this. I mean sometimes if an event just gets out of hand, you do have to cancel it. I mean, people are crashing into each other. I'm sorry for the people who are well behaved, but you can't have chaos on a beautiful beach. Right. It's supposed to be a really wide beach in order for GPS to go on the beach tear it up. Oh, it's no, it's huge. And that's part of what, you know, there are beaches, I guess there's a Daytona Daytona where you can drive your vehicle. Each. I think there are parts of North Carolina where you can drive near up near Carolina beach. We can drive on the beach still. This one just went this one. Just went Cardi control. Yeah. Absolutely crazy. So I'll post the video and you can watch it. Here's what you want to watch. When you watch it. What's how stupid people look when they fight each other. There's something to be said for the Korea choreography of western movies, you know, where there's a fist or even gangster movies where there's a fistfight and it all just seems to work, but in real life, like Duri member, the terrible situation in Charlottesville. Yeah. And then the there were some, you know, fistfights some hand to hand combat and it just there's no other way to put it, it looked ugly. Look silly silly an ugly. So the people's movie critic is coming on tomorrow to review. John wit three if you're a John, wick fan, you know, that those movies are just gun FU. I mean, it's just crazy violence, and every kind of choreographed extremely stylized violence. When you look at this go topless Galveston. Brawl that I'm about to put on our Facebook. You'll look at that and go, I really need to get dressed, not fight people because this is not a good look for in. That's right. You know, there are towns in America were go, topless Asheville or wherever it may be actually does exist, where once a year that that's what happens there physically topless downtown. That's what I thought this was going to be about. I didn't realize it was about GPS. I you know what I would love? I would love to be able to be topless on a beach bathing suits are uncomfortable and miserable. I'd rather not wear one and you know what it'd be nice to let these ladies out and let them see some sunshine fresh air but. What I do these lifting. Ladies out. What do you guys call? What is one of the really obnoxious things make all the, the fun bank's net? The fun bags out to play. But like. Top, bro. At now. It's funny this, this country can be so out of control with what you were just describing at this event, and yet, we have very few topless beaches, they're all over the world. But that's where America evidently draws the line and that's where we say. I don't think so. All right. So I'll post this video up and just watch it. And then remember that the next time you accidentally over your over serve yourself. The captain were spice from you do not want to be in a fistfight. It's Bob and Sheri, the free bobbins Sherri instantly. Get the podcast. The I'm Casten Bob and Sheri fund size. Okay. Todd has something for us right now that he and max collaborated with what is it? I showed this to Maxie other day. This Riley night been cracking up about this. You know, she went to Las Vegas over spring break with her with her goggles, as we call them, her, uncle Eric in his husband, Mark. And so they went, and of course, my brother and his husband are totally into Celine. Dion. So she's been all into the selene Dion mode. And so it was earlier in the week, selene Dion. She joined a James Gordon for the carpool karaoke. And so I kept showing this the max, and I was like you have to you have to show the Bob and show it happens. So the, you know, they're in the car, and they're riding along and I'll let max set it up from here. In the car, and he says, hey, I'm outta gas. And so she turns on the radio and then you get to hear what happens. And then the times when she's not singing, James corden, they show him outside the car pumping gas. Oh hang on a minute. This has never happened before I forgot to fill the car up here. We got. To leans not pleased. Oh, he's putting the gash and she turns on the radio. He's guests. Eric Carmen record. Real life. Listen, hitting the notes if getting back in the car. Yeah. That's pretty good. I love him so much. It's funny how she would know that song, unless the whole thing is just gonna rehearse. I think she also knows I think, selene Dion knows all the songs songs like that. Yeah. And I also think that she has a good sense of humor about herself. We've all seen Bridget Jones diary, including selene Dion. I think she actually very good sense of humor about herself. You know what? I'm happy. Okay. So here's here's another pathetic example. Why am I happy for someone? I've never met him. We'll never meet. She was so devastated. When her husband died, she was so flattened by grief, that it felt like she was just never going to come out again. You know, and she's she seems to be. Okay. I had an experience Elliott wedding, where one of her aunts lost. Her husband, he was older, and the she was a good deal younger than he was. And he passed the waves a great man. And so, I saw her at the wedding I went over to see how she was doing all, and she said, I'm doing great. You know, the kids are doing great and so on, and then she paused, and she said, I met a man, and you could've you could've just me because I've, I've never thought of her with anybody else. And she's older now. And yet. The, the heart will go on. I was so sweet, I it was so tender. God topic. Yourself? The hardest go on. I never met her late husband. But I do he does not want her to be alone one-star to go on. You never hear her associated with any other guys do. Raising her sons. I probably should get hobby. I'm starting to feel like maybe one that's outdoorsy. Wifi illustrate. It's probably heartless go on my career Moscow. Pretty good. Once. This bobbin cherries believe. For woman in the fast country of Spain recently passed away, and she cut to her three sons out of her will, and the Tucson's havi air were, hey, contested it, and it went all the way to the Spanish supreme court and the supreme court ruled in the woman's favor saying she had every right to cut them out of her will. And here's why Tovey havi havi air. And, or hey accused their mother of witchcraft. Povey said she was evil. She was practicing witchcraft. In the she lived at a haunted house accused serve everything that gone wrong in his life can hang up the phone on her. When calling him on his birthday. The woman denied any claims of being a witch and her third son named Ignatio was leg. Yeah. Whatevs and now stands to inherit the entire thing. But this is a big deal in the Basque country of Spain because that part of the world has very deep historical ties to witchcraft up to seven thousand people were investigated for which craft between the years, sixty nine and sixteen fourteen as part of the Spanish, inquisition. Expects. Spanish inquisition. Expects punishing. That must have been rough living back in those days, don't you think you're a little bit different? And all of a sudden all they had to do the town fathers had to do. I think she's a witch. To the races. How long would I've less than in that world. Be good. You and my daughters. Mary and Mary, we'd all be getting we'd all be at the state together. That something. Well, we're lucky, you know, they was just crazy. I mean I told you that the lady, who did the from Norwich, Connecticut, who did the search on my family. I'll yeah, you're genealogy found out that my ninth grandmother ninth grade. Grandmother, nine generations, grandmother, was was driven not really driven out. But she left Massachusetts followed Roger Williams to go to Rhode Island for religious freedom. They were they were calling her a witch. So it's in your blood to hang with babes like me. Yeah. You know, I think. And it explains my daughter's to, I mean, this woman was the real deal. She was a good thing. She was taking no crap from anybody. Good things. She had the ability to flee because that story could could've ended valley bad at it was around that period, it was in the a little bit a little bit later. I think sixteen fifty something like that. It takes me it shouldn't I should not be surprised by anything that happens in the world now ever, like the name of the book. They wrote about. It was American Jacksonville. Ooh. Yeah. Who I like? When shame left the country, we didn't realize it. But surprise was riding shotgun. Look, you're not allowed to surprised by anything or feel shame for anything. But in the year, two thousand nineteen to have the supreme court of Spain, looking at a case where a woman accused of witchcraft, so one son, got was she wealthy. I mean no, it's not that she was wealthy. But what she had what she had what she wants. It's going to all to Ignatio because humvee air and hor, hey, were found not, not innocent, or whatever or not right in their accusations of witchcraft. But in, in the best country of Spain Yudo mess with which is because of the Spanish inquisition. There's, there's a small part of the audience that gets that, but they really get it. Good. Python was a comedy show and British TV the came to America, many years ago, you think for actually people listening right now don't who money python. I'm asking. Like ordinarily. I would keep for this without a doubt without a doubt. What did you say you disagree with me? Flaine Monty python. I can't believe that you think that probably. That you don't think that about forty to sixty percent of the audience does not know who Monty python Daf forty to sixty percent. That's hi, Bob. Hi. Well, I mean, I mean you've had Michael the show the show goes on in the nineteenth six I know but when you're like my wife was, was not even born yet, but it's like it's one of those things that's just in the pop culture. Yeah. It isn't. It isn't it wasn't of your ass. Right. He was on TV either of quirky thing, let me just say the way you're talking to tide right now. You know what it sounds like it sounds like the Spanish inquisition? That's what sells. That's. It's. It's stuff, you will hear on the show the fob in Sherry hot cast on the Bob and Sheri Poggi's in advance for the earworm about to unleash on everybody. But this story just touched me, so much. I decided we need to share it. This happened at an elementary school in Malaysia, two thousand eight hundred and sixty nine ele- mentor school kids, just set the Guinness Book of world records, record for the world's largest music lesson. These kids learned how to play baby shark on the ukulele and the overwhelming majority of the kids in this world record had never before even held a ukulele ruined. So they got the lesson and they played it and performed it. And here it is. Two thousand eight hundred sixty nine. To the ukulele sales. Good gig. Did you have music class? Yes. You're in school. What did you use a class Tonet? What is what is that? It was a black flute like instrument that was about a foot long, and it had like air holes. Like like. Yeah, luxury. They're called recorders to, and you everybody at. And I remember I everybody had a Brown Tonet carrier, a case Brown case that was like velvet and the inside. I mean it's a plastic flute basically, is what it was. I haven't thought of this in years, this is probably third grade, maybe, and you have Tonet did you have some swag about yourself, because you really want it to be an entertainer, you know, I hadn't it hadn't kicked in my calling head nut kicked in at that point. And I was a mediocre Tonet player. You know, you could tell even in the third grade, you could tell the kids who were going to play trumpet, and the ones that just is what. All the saddest thing ever. So you know that I love school. I have loved school since the first day I sat in a classroom, always had my hand in the air. Always did the extra credit just could not get enough of school. And for our music lessons, the we did singing we didn't have. I never got to play an instrument of any kind, not even like xylophone. We would do singing, and we would saying this land is your land and all those. Right. And I had the same Fouzy Azam for singing that I brought to every other aspect of school and kindergarten is in the front row. First grade back a little bit second-grade little bit further by third grade, the teacher had me, backed by the closet. Belting, it out like Whitney Houston at her. And third grade. Poor thing, third grade, at the Holdaway school Aetna, Wyoming, I was disinvited from glee club because I could not carry. So sad was crushed. I signed up for it because I didn't know that I could not sue them. You know there was always when you had a school play like in elementary school. There were always like two or three kids who never actually got speaking parts. They were always the tree. Yeah. Or the ruck or something now you're going to be in it. You're going to be the tree mary-ellen and everybody kind of knew. But never said anything about those poor kids, we had a school play and first grade about spring, and I wanted to be Robin redbreasts in the worst way because Robin redbreasts had a costume that had flapping wings. And Robin redbreasts came out on the stage like kind of strutting flapped its wings, a little song solo had some style. No, ma'am. No, he wouldn't give it to you. I was a blade of grass. Did you never knows Chris, too? That's right. Robin redbreasts sing I guess she had a solo she had a solo and I was just, just beside myself with jealousy that I couldn't be Robin Wright, Braxton. Oh, it's a funny thing. Alley loved being when she was little being on stage and the first play that was offered tour. She got the lead. And then the next year the first play she was offered. She got the lead the third year. They did Anne, and she didn't have red hair girl. With the most red here you've ever seen an alley did not get the main role in it, tanked. Up for several weeks. She was still in the play. But it just shows you the drama even back, then I just found that Tonet you can get one for four dollars and sixty nine cents. Maybe we should get you one as your secret Santa present. I mean you you had that you had accordion for about two weeks. Those little flu. It's the new Sherry, fun size on the free Bob and Sheri app admirations for this young person. Seventeen year old kid named name over here, Michael Watson, Michael Watson. He lives in canton, Ohio graduating from high school this month. He's been overweight, most of his life at one point, he weighed three hundred and twenty five pounds. But about a year ago, he decided to do something about it to be healthier. So he overhauled his diet, he stopped eating pizza, every day, you know, there's some people that are just fixated on one type of food. I, I don't know why I remember this, but there was a kid all he could eat. And his parents, eventually gave up he was like fifteen years old. Donald stugotz, will this one was McDonald's hamburgers. The I think there was a kid that was all they could eat. This guy was pizza every day. No, he eight other things also. And he a lot. A lot of it was pizza. Every snacker is a meal doesn't say, but it sounds like I mean pizzas wonderful we, it's one of the things we talk about constantly on this on this show. But I think even pizza replace would say, you know, not everyday right mix it up a little bit. So he overhauled his that he stopped eating pizza every day and he walked several miles to school every morning, even if it was snowing, he still walked. That's how the termined he was. And his high school gave him a shout-out on social media because as he approached graduation, he lost in one year a hundred fifteen pounds. Wow. I am so impressed with our kid. I mean that takes dedication for an adult to sit down and say, I gotta look this over what am I doing here? Discipline a lot of hardwoods. A lot of discipline and, and talk about hard work walking several miles, so he probably to get to school. He'd have to get up. What five four thirty in the morning? If you're dealing with a number of miles, east, see the look on my kids faces when I tell them, you know, it's a nice day you should walk home from school. Like what now they don't go to school in another time zone. My think it might be three miles at the very, very most probably not even I don't think they're unusual that way. Oh, I know they're not unusual. I, I to walk. I, I did too. One of the greatest things was as soon as spring hit in Connecticut in north haven, my buddies, and I get outside, and it's sixty one degrees, and you can smell the fertilizer on the lawns. And I had to walk two miles is probably three or four miles on love to I've always loved being independent while cana- riding my bike, and my kids, one of them, actually said, this is verbatim. Quote, one of them announced to stuck into my husband. I would like to be sewn to my mother. I just want to. Maybe velcro. So that occasionally I usually get free loan. Yeah. I do them. But yeah, they don't they don't have that craving for independence. No on the pizza thing I was thinking about this the other night, 'cause I, I, I was out took care, Mia somewhere and had to wait for a couple of hours. So I went to this pizza place. And got a piece of pizza was chomping on that. And, and I thought you know, when I was like Kay rose, a teenager and lived with my grandmom, she cooked every day because that's what she did. But sometimes now the women in my family, except for me are were a bunch of chain smoke. In real thin looney tunes. So it would be like nine thirty at night and we've already eaten dinner and it's like a talent food. Right. So it's like lasagna and my grandmother would go who feels like pizza. It's nine thirty at night I feel like pizza. Let's have pizza and she would order pizza, and then we would eat pizza like ten o'clock at night. Alexa is much as I love it. I mean, after heavy Italian really any dinner I, I don't think I can add to it. I do not understand. I guess as a kid, I assumed that there was some combination that happened inside the human body between miracle one hundred and Maxwell house that made it impossible to gain any weight whatsoever. She eats sweets or EP tween meals. She kept at her side at all times either a five pound giant Hershey bar, or a Wittman sampler. And she the other things she loved worthy powdered sugar white cream filled Dunkin donuts. She pop one in each cheek. I tell you, I don't know. On your grandmother, several times. And I know that you are telling the truth, she was our last figure, and she would be like, oh, pound cake for breakfast. Sometimes she'd eat some cereal in the morning, so she would chain smoke Maxwell house. And apparently, there's some combination of those things that is magical, she would take a bowl of cereal and poor half-and-half on it. And then fix the same for the dog, and she and the dog, and the dog would also get a Cup of coffee with cream and no sugar. Because I. Ready? Sugars bad for. She the dog or having coffee and cereal with half an F on it, and she could not gain a pound. Now where's the Justice in? This is just her metabolism unfair. So it was a miniature schnauzer dog a hatred all Heintz wasn't hyper, though, Heintz was very, very mellow. Very mellow. You know, it sounds like a good life for hindsight was no, no upturn. What your grim great time? And then she schnauzer would sit together on the couch, and, and she would take a bike, she would reach into the Whitman's sampler, and she bite it if she didn't like, what was inside at, like, if it was that raspberry jelly it wasn't like she would offer it to the dog, she would lean over. Into the dogs. You don't wanna waste. Waist. She is so much like my I would smother it is. It is scary. The only thing that the she did not share with the dog were cigarettes because they are expensive. And also the dog couldn't hold his. This is Bob. And Sheri, get the more on of the day, sent right to your phone, text moron to eight Bob share to sixty seven four three seven. That's new story that I read about sixteen percent of Americans at least part of the week at worker, stoned on marijuana. They just they use. We'd throughout the day at work and not sixteen percent of the whole population but every day but throughout the course of the week. Maybe one day a week, it's a Friday, maybe it's every other data. No, and I was thinking to myself, well, what kind of a job can you have where you could be stoned on weed and still get away with it? We we discussed radio and would not be possible. I think. But for other radio might be the right format. I guess I mean, if you're, you know, if you're more music, Oreo, baby. Hey people working here. Yeah. That's true. That's true. But I mean if you're working, like your roofing, I don't think that would be a good. That would be a very bad idea or you work in the medical field Yoon worse ID's up for your root canal. Look at a year. Put this blocked here mile fuel. So I've come up with a job that I mean no offense if you do this. Okay. But I think I've come up with a job where you could be on weed, and still get through the day without anybody knowing you work in a big mall, not in a department store in retail, because I think, you know, there's a lot going on there still. But you're in one of those kiosks in the mall like the one where the guy sells the baseball caps that are monogrammed. It might there's no one ever there. It might actually be a kindness. Exactly because I mean, I've, I've walked by some of these kiosks and said to myself. How do you do it, man? You're just standing there alone all day. Here's the problem with doing that. In a situation where it's boring. It makes time. Go more slowly anyhow, anyhow surveyed that. Oh, you. Right. But at least, you know, you could laugh at somebody going by or I don't know. Max may be right with that be worse. I think it would make it worse. Here's a job, I think I could do wasted. And won't we established that I fall asleep glasses of wine. I am not a fun girl on any substance. Let's say I'm just big on my mind. I could work at one of those fro yo places where you, they have like dispensers, and you make your own. Oh yeah, you're just weighing the thing. And then charging the only risk is I am going to be tempted the stores empty to put my head directly under the spout have myself some of that pink lemonade. Sorbet. How about as Schuessel's Mun? A lot of times there's lettuce stand around and all of a sudden here comes somebody. Hey, would you like to Choi? What size? All right. You go back and you find it, you know, your way around tell though retail is a hard job. It's a hard job you're dealing with people, and in the shoe department. It's not like it's constant the manager of the shoe department might be kind of kind of difficult and look at you. Bob. Are you stoned? Did you come in your stone to sell shoes to women? I find that there are no managers shoot apartment. Shooting. Listen I barely function now as a sober adult, I can't be any more tired. What are these sixteen percent of Americans duly? They have different brains than I do. I am chronically tired confused. What would I do your brain? Isn't that different more tired, and computer brain is that different? It's just not that different. What the doing and their bait? It might be better that we don't know. Yeah. I wanna minute kitchen, something like that. God knows what the what do you think about that? The talk back teacher on the free, Sherry app and leave us a message. I was reading about the best romantic comedies that were set in London. During the nineteen ninety s so that's a really specific time and place. Notting hill, Notting hill is there. Yeah. I've seen I think all of them that's the one I'm looking at nineteen ninety four. Right. Yet, male. No. That's New York's. That's yeah. You've got mail as New York City. Thousands set in London. Set in London. So I'm sorry. So here they are. And I think there's only one that I have not seen an I don't know that I've ever even heard of it. And I can't believe it's in like the top five of these London movie set in the nineteen ninety s I'll run down the movies for weddings and a funeral from nineteen Ninety-four, Notting hill. You're right nineteen ninety nine that's great Bridget. Jones diary, that's actually two thousand and one but they and about a boy is in their two thousand and two and love actually, which is around the same era. The one that I have not seen, and it sounds really interesting is sliding doors. Oh, paltrow. It's so good. So the, the premise of this movie is she goes and finds her? I guess her husband is having an affair on her. And what they do is they show her coming back to the apartment. I think and the slide. Doors have to do with, like, the, the subway that she gets on. And it's. It's it's, it's a boyfriend. It's not a husband okay? A long time. It's been twenty years since I've seen. Right. But, but the idea is that little things happen. In our lives and can alter what the trajectory of our lives are going to be little miniscule things like the sliding doors. Yeah. So it's a movie that has alternate right in, in the one what I'm reading here in in, in one part of it. She discovers that her boyfriend was cheating, and she goes in another direction. And then in the other way, she is oblivious, to his cheating, and her life goes into another. Is that correct? Yes. And the whole the whole concept is it's amazing. How just one second one movement, one choice. Alters your reality? Alters your entire life. You should watch it. You should get it on demand. So good. And the guy the place her boyfriend is also in Four Weddings and a funeral. And I forget his name is Scottish actor. I think Sean Hanna. Yeah. He's, he's wonderful. She's really, really good. And the film is packed with London. Locales fete voice Tyner trinity. Buoy warf- blue anchor club. These are all great bars and restaurants in, in London. It's, it's an interesting concept that making one choice can just change your life forever walking into one restaurant with a friend who introduces you to somebody, the chew have never known before. But now you're dating. Don't can't you think of at least one instance, in your life where one choice changed? I wrote I can think of just so many. And I mean changed my life. Yeah. It's like that would not be here with you with without those exactly. It's like that. And sometimes it's just like the spur of the moment thing in a, it's a spur. Of the moment thing, like get ready to go to college. And I'm working in this plastics factory and like nineteen and I'm driving home, and I hear on the radio that this news guy for radio station was quitting to go into the hardware business. I think he made a good choice. And I want, I know where that radio station is. And I drove over to it. I went an applied for it. And they gave me the job at nineteen reading the news. Now if I hadn't done that, at that moment. Right. Who knows? Who knows if I'd have the chutzpah to, I don't know, somehow put together a taped bring to a radio station, but I, I had no experience. I had no recording to say this is what I sounded like so suppose I didn't hear him giving it up on the year that. And I said to myself, there's no way that you can get a job in that business. You have absolutely no experience. Wouldn't be wouldn't be here. I was in grad school in Philly at temple when I got the phone call that my father had been granted parole. The time he was imprisoned was the peat, most peaceful and happiest time of my entire life. And I knew that when he got out he would begin terrorizing me again. And I just had no more patients or energy for it. Now, I was in school on a free ride at a full free ride to do my MFA at temple at the end of my first year. My father got paroled, a guy I had dated in college said to me, why don't you? I'm gonna go work on a movie in Wilmington, North Carolina. Why don't you? They're hiring. Why don't you come Dino dealer NS studio is the right you know me, like in school school is my everything I was so unwilling. Going to deal with meth crazy anymore that I was like you know what? Yep. I filed for leave of absence from school took that job my entire life change. Sitting here now you went back to college. I went back in and got a masters degree later. But paid for that one. But I don't regret it. I could not do I couldn't do. I couldn't have anymore. I just that one. I'd had enough knowledge. I'd had enough. When you've never had peace. You don't even know what pieces and then you get peace and safety, and then somebody threatens that and you're like no Satan. No that must hear that must fit like heaven, it did to have to have no outward pressure from somebody who's out of control understand that I had been frightened the bodily terrified for my entire life until they locked him up. You know what you let him out. I don't think so reminded me of the Julia Roberts movie where she's terrorized by sleeping with the clipping with the enemy, and then she escapes to a mid western town, and, and she has this little bungalow house, and she's so peaceful. Yeah, because she's away from that guy. And then that guy comes back and, you know. Yeah, exactly. It's five in cherry. Get Lamar's reviews sent right. To your phone text movie to eight. Bob, Sherry, if you have ever asked yourself. Wait, am I possibly the most arrogant tool, that's ever lived? I mean, have you ever asked yourself that? Make you feel better cruise you are not Bob. Least the host. She exited the word most, I know. You're not I'm in the club. Just not president is what you say, I'm going to tell you now about one of the most arrogant tools, that's ever lived. And you have never heard of this person, and you did not know this was real. But this is a real thing that actually happened. His name was king. Pepi the second. No. It wasn't was. Peppy PPI king. Pepi the second. He was an gyp shin Phero who ruled as best we know because, you know this was a long time ago. He ruled for ninety years, ninety ninety years. I'll critic rule for ninety they became kings in childhood, depending on time to live during that period. When you hear what a giant bag piece king Pepi was you go. Let me here. This is how arrogant king Pepi, was he thought, very, very highly of himself because the pharaohs believed that they were gods. He did not like insects buzzing around flies or mosquitoes. He just it was a thing with him. So if there were insects nearby he would command, one of his slaves be covered head to toe in Honey. And serve as a human flood trap, and the Honey covered Egyptian slave would stand next to king Pepi covered in Honey, and swarmed with bugs so that the Ferro would be unbothered. Look, arrogant tool than that. You know what? That sounds like are you. Pretty sure this is historical. Okay. Have you ever seen Mel Brooks, the history of the world? Yes, longtime ago. And so they go through different periods of time and different horrible events. And what events is Louie the fourteenth in France at his peak before the revolution. Of course, and he's out in the back, and he's got some sort of, of a gun and he says, Paul and. One of the townspeople. Yeah. Pulled. What now? The honey. It's the same thing, peppy the second pep, even his naming names, airgun peppy. You have to be born to that life to have the giants stones to command these things. I know it you know, even in that was it was at the mini series Rome. With servants standing there with a water while the couple is having sex and it's a woman, she just stands there looking ahead once in a while. She'll look over at the couple of anything. Yes. If they need anything this is like I want you to imagine it's mosquito season and a lot of places in the country. Mary Hampton come out and Dowsett Honey. So that I may Partido. Could possibly do that. That was important to it. Thinking of few people that I MO we're of today list. List that woes that now anytime you think to yourself, man, I might be an arrogant tool you'll ever done that he'll. I ain't no king. Pepi. The poor gyp. Shen. Whose turn it is to be destined, Honey, and swarmed with tell you, what one thing, peppy had was good security, as, if he lived to be ninety years old. And he was pulling that stuff the third day that I'm covered with Honey getting flies on the I'm thinking. You're coming for. Thank you so much for listening to the Bob and Sheri podcast and the Bob and Sheri, odd cast, we would love if you would subscribe rate review and share it with a friend on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, wherever you go and thank you again for listening. The Capital, One savored card you or four percent cashback on dining and undertake -ment. That's four percent cashback on we scream for ice cream and four percent while you're screaming at the amusement. The Capital One saver card earned four percent on dining and four percents on ener tain -ment. Now, when you in the family, go out you cash it capital. What's in your wallet terms, apply to one Bank USAA?

Casten Bob Sheri Bob Sherry Livia DMV Google John wick selene Dion Natalie Portman Florida Connecticut Galveston Amazon Tokyo Kevin Paducah New Jersey
Barry Magid: Psychologically Minded Zen

The Wisdom Podcast

1:21:41 hr | 1 year ago

Barry Magid: Psychologically Minded Zen

"<music> this wisdom podcast meditation is not a technique duggan says that the design of which i speak speak is not a technique of meditation. It's the dharma gator joy and he's to say something is not a technique means. It's not a means means to an end and it's not something you can do well or that. Welcome to the wisdom podcast. I'm daniel laken and for this episode. I speak with dr larry. Magid psychoanalyst meditation teacher and author of nothing is hidden. The psychology of sin cohen's berry has dedicated his life's work to the integration of of western psychoanalytic psychology and zen buddhist practice in this fascinating conversation. We talk about what berry kohl's top down. Versus bottom up approaches is to practice and the difference between searching for peak experiences in meditation versus engaging in moment to moment vulnerability with oneself barry also points out that the worst experiences of meditation can often be most beneficial and that it is possible to discover the absolute in the most mundane aspects of ordinary life. I i hope you enjoy the conversation. What what came first for you psycho analysis on zen practice. They came together really <hes> <hes> i i suppose <hes> because i was in college was in college during the sixties and like everybody else i was. I was reading the beats and reading carolina storrow bombs and then go onto gary snyder and philip whalen pick up alan watts all those folks that gave me some breeding background on it <hes> but but basically <hes> once i started <hes> my residency in psychiatry tree in new york i pretty much simultaneously began psychoanalytic training and going to who <hes> eight oh rochas zen center nice setup a little schedule where i went to each of those three times a week and try to get them as confused confused as possible mile mine <hes> i think it was very important to me from the gecko was that there was a certain tendency in some areas some people i bet to split the psychological and spiritual into two distinct camp so even two very distinct practices and was this in zan camps and <hes> a psycho analysis camp surely in zen cab there was a <hes> a tendency to speak of the merely early psychological the mealy psychological as opposed as opposed to do what they were doing okay so that was a derogatory sort of statement. That's that's right and i remember a good friend of mine. At the center who's older fellow who mentored me. There told me he was was also an analysis but he never mentioned anything about his n practice to his his analyst kept totally separate and so my ideal was from the very beginning to bring them back together. Bring back together so far because freud look down on a spiritual as spiritual ritual advances at type of regression right yes but <hes> i came of age and trade a different generation and the people i was in training with had been <hes> students of karen hor nine and erich fromm and these folks who got together with <hes> d t suzuki and we're trying to create some dialogue with buddhism and they they had a very particular agenda of wanting to use <hes> the the the fact of radical transformation it buddhist practices of kind of lever to pry open cycle analysis to see if you come from traditional psychoanalytic background you you think that they're very particular things that have to happen. <hes> <unk> himself <hes> regression interpretation and genetic understanding standing in order for there to be changed and yet here they are meeting these people who talk about very profound character trait without without any of those factors in play so so it means we'll maybe the freudians weren't exactly bright on how the mind is put together and what changes it and so they use this as a way to try to broaden their understanding of what happens in analysis <hes> my analyst <hes> this is back in the late seventies <hes> man named david chamber who came over with i these were nyons <hes> he turned out to be a devote of krishnamurti and so he was very <hes> sympathetic to to spiritual practice but <hes> not necessarily zen but i did have the opportunity the <hes> with him to sit in on a number of <hes> dialogue groups with krishnamurti and <hes> that made for very interesting interesting perspective but <hes> the analysts thought leader doing in what christian murdy thought was was possible necessary necessary see i particularly remember a meeting in which christian is saying that it's absolutely absolutely essential that we abolish anger <hes> go beyond it completely and <hes> i raised my hand and i still love did he also have a plan to breathe vegetarian tigers but did he say he say he achiever went back to what he wanted to say anyway you see so i think that that for me was a very early <hes> side of the distinction that i would <hes> try i to explore in in greater detail about the difference between wholeness and wholesomeness as the the goal of of the practice so i want to pose you for say 'cause i wanna capture your first impressions of christian monte. What was your first impression of christianity. He was a very well dressed man very well gist yes he had impeccable suits and very well polished expensive of shoes but and this was for nineteen in the nineteen sixties this <hes> this range seven. This is in the seventies. The seventies was this strange for a indian guram have cost rejected that todd todd. She didn't want to have anything to do with with that. He he also didn't have to do with the idea the practice he wasn't a teacher he claimed to have students. He acted as if we are just all equals here in dialogue <hes> <hes>. Did you think that was true in that situation. 'cause you asked him a question. He thought you said you dan when i said what was his response the feelings flipping and then went back to what he wanted to say that's right and he had he had a whole program. A whole attitude there was an interesting map of the territory but what happened was that <hes> in fact no one ever got it right. Everybody was always hanging on his every word sitting at his feet trying to understand <hes> this perspective but there was no sense that after decades he ever felt anyone had moved along and moved along and this was very <hes> disappointing in even to have crushingly depressing to people like david ball the physicists very devoted to him and on top of that as it turns out christian murdy demonstrated the kind of a dissociation that turned out to be all too common in the <hes> asian teachers it turned out that while he was talking about <hes> all this detachment at the end of fought the end of emotion he was having an affair with one of his followers and very concerned with the he's a biography notes since like he's teaching nights in what happened to them i i read now and so he he'll he led this very <hes> in some sense duplicitous double life in which he maintained a certain kind of image of himself to the world would not acknowledge that human side but was very striking about him when you heard him talk is he would never use the personal pronoun i i don't know if you've seen <hes> films of him but he <hes> he never would say he would sit he would refer to the speaker at the third person which was always a little peculiar you know if this great enlightenment completely abolish the first person singular from from from grammer as well and so you'll so your question to him when he was adamant about even though he's talked about not really having a go about you know abolishing anger completely you objected to that and you know many people in the room would have i thought yes of course that's what we want. Yes of course that's what they loved. Of course. You can't do it yet. So why why are you so. Why are you so. Why do you think it's impossible to do because because we're human human to be is to be angry at least some of the times i think to be human i think to be human is to be vulnerable and heard is going to give rise to the frustration and sometimes anger <hes> i think he can diminish <hes> vary considerably there could be big transformations in character where people are non reactive by in march but what i objected to was the <hes> the whole notion of a purification project. Okay you say that what we're doing is somehow that somehow there are <hes> <hes> unhealthier unwholesome needs desires emoti- and i think you see that in a hole running through whole strains of buddhism where they're people who whether they variously talk about attachment or desire or acclaiming. There's something that we're simply going to find a way to do away with and that have this emotionally purified existence distance from a psychoanalytic perspective. I think that is a fundamentally flawed and even dangerous project dirt <hes> so the idea that <hes> the bush project is to eliminate the defilement of affliction fiction and end up at this pure state free from those affliction is problematic from from your perspective and <hes> from psychoanalytical perspective passaic xaviera and and so then is is the production of those things up a valid project or is that not something that i define the project from a different direction like i say i'm interested in hold us not in wholesomeness and that that means what what happens is when there are self states that are disturbing to us <hes> whether they're <hes> from anger or desire but primarily from shame and vulnerability basic psychoanalytic <music> psychological move is to try to displace them or project them onto to others as so that <hes> <hes> we try to create a sense of ourselves in which we we are not the needy ones. We're not the vulnerable ones we are not a person who has anything to be you showed up and instead <hes> we put that onto others and then we create these interpersonal dynamics of <hes> <hes> control it avoidance in judgment and i think that what we can have happened in practice is to rely on these aspects of ourselves so that we don't have to deny them project them or associate them see. I think that i would have a very different understanding of the end of suffering is resolve 'cause. I don't think that <hes> well is traditionally called home. Leaving is is in any sense psychologically relevant to a contemporary project see. I think if you look back at that original monastic ideal holy meant something like <hes> the the the root of the of suffering is the desire for permanency attachment <hes> and these things 'cause <music> unavoidable suffering because the nature of life is impermanent and uncontrollable add so one one strand the practice goes down the road of if you've got nothing you got nothing to lose right sense of have you've had no bowed have no family have no personal attachments be completely dependent on the kindness of strangers and that they'll be a twofold kind of <hes> result of that one you will immunize yourself against against the suffering caused by <hes> trying to grasp something that's on grasp -able and secondly that you'll will be performing and acting a form of life that by its nature illustrates or as based on impermanent and <hes> <hes> interdependency. What did you say if you've got nothing nothing to lose that all right and <hes> there are a lot of people who go to practice for that and then i think isn't like there's another way of <hes> thinking about that. Is that <hes> if you've got too much. You can't do the work as well so part of the the leaving is leaving the things that stop you from that. You know. Don't allow you to deep work yeah. I don't agree with that really because that sense that you're you're gonna have too much to be able to do the work. I think that <hes> the basic lessons of impermanent interdependency you are always on display the midst of everyday life and what people have to come to terms with is is there vulnerability in the face of those things if you if you want to really get a lesson in the vulnerability of interdependency have children right. There's there's nothing like the fear. Vulnerability of parents with a sick child has yet right so <hes> and i don't think that our goal will in practices to escape that situation no but it's it's a it's an recognition that there's a certain overwhelming ness. That isn't helpful full the work so what what you're suggesting is the best place to face your vulnerability is in these situations arise in those situations so and so that that seems really true to me and so there might be an argument that certain point those situations are overwhelming such that you cannot face that vulnerability and she got need a dial it back. A little bit or is that is that does that ring true to you. I don't think that really rings true because in some ways so much of traditional practices actresses tries to create overwhelming situations like for example well through a citizen or <hes> <hes> physical pain and endurance and difficulty. I mean if you read stories of these old masters there through incredible hardships right yeah and i think i i think you're right that that that doesn't really work. The buddha rejected that right that asset that extreme type of asceticism because it the loan so i think that in fact what we do is we create different. <hes> cultural containers to help purpose stay with things we would otherwise avoid an analytic relationship is one kind of container. <hes> asanga is another kind added container a practices and other kind of container and in within these diskette we see displayed <hes> the reality of impermanent said vulnerability. You know i used to joke that a you know. A monastery was a place that hadn't changed the thousands of years where we go to study a permanence. I love it. I love it yeah. No i totally take your point so so we bought a day life gives us plenty of <hes> opportunity to look at impermanent invulnerability and that's the basis this of lay practice and practice everyday life and my teacher joke back really particularly wanted people to learn how to practice their daily life. Nothing <unk> the intensity of practice <hes> confined to extreme but you know <hes> there's there's plenty of intensity in our daily life. If we know how to understand that it worked with yes yes absolutely so let's stick with that theme for yeah well so you know daily life you know and and practicing daily life the on the cushion of the cushion duality i'm showing you've gotta hiba the things to say about it by the way love your top down bottom approach distinctions isn't it seems extremely helpful for this sort of conversation but i'll let you take it away with some initial thoughts on on this jewel supposed- you -ality well. I mean i would say that one one one of the fantasies of practice when i started out was that it was totally top down. Everyone had the idea that and you had a big enough alignment experience. It would somehow be a universal solvent guest. It's the trickle down right. I love that trickle down linemen and it just turns out that that simply doesn't work and that's one of the things we discover and i think that <hes> as an analyst when i went through all these decades of observing the scandals in these different centres <hes> i felt this the the the misbehavior of a few bad apples. This was important data about what practicing enlightening intimate experiences do adult do. There's a bug in the program. <hes> it's not even a bug. I think it's a feature a the future. I think that <hes> that actually there's a way in which a lot of practice aims at dissociation association now rather than trying to overcome that brings us cutting teamsters to split things off yeah christian monte case in point right. Yes that's detriot so it it. It fosters that dissociation where it's almost as if if i can feel this good in this realm dog. I certainly don't have to deal with any of that other stuff 'cause what that's unreal. There's an irony here because it's they're talking about a non jewel state. <hes> you wet when out of it it actually somehow put you in a more of a jewel ism between because you feel special you feel different or you are the guru or whatever and suddenly these non jewish state is that is <hes> sort of energy that creates jewelers post najah state date. It's a there's a there's an irony yes. It's the it's i finally achieved a non state now different from everybody else absolutely down different special special but i think it is also occurs interest psychically where <hes> it <hes> fosters auster the splitting offer sequestering or welinsk terms bypassing of emotional difficulty the and i think that that really is a feature i think it really is a way in which people are almost encouraged as i said before to treat certain kinds of difficulties as merely psychological and therefore not really the problem of the master astor that's happening at a different kind of realm and we don't have to deal with that and at the same time it seems to be almost responsible full statements mentioned like we must totally overcome anger that's right. It's a fantasy of of this totalism totalism project. Which is <hes> really <hes> at the bottom crazy when you sent we'd we discovered this <music>. We discovered this feature calling it right. Who did you mean by. We was a joke of beck. Was that the western encounter with buddhism. What did you mean by way there. Well certainly was jokers. Primary inside that <hes> answering sixteen hundred cohen's the way her teacher dead was no cure for character pathology right and was itself no treatment for alcoholism and was provided though preventive for the abuse of students so that there was some there is something about that system which marvelous as it was in some ways completely fail royal to deal with with other aspects and i think it's important to say he you mentioned sixteen hundred cohen's. That's not doing them incorrectly. That's you know that's doings yeah. That's the problem that's point. These are the guys got it right. Yeah see i was just reading an interesting book this week. By philosopher simon critchley <hes> where he he says that <hes> philosophy begins in dissolution or philosophy begins disillusionment and he's talking about <hes> on the one hand the disillusionment of <hes> <hes> the movement of god is dead. There's no feel logical. Coll- <hes> religious foundation for morals are meaning but there's also the disillusionment of the whole enlightenment meant project that reason in progress are somehow inevitable and going to carry the day it's disillusion allusion with the galleon marxist <hes> project of history or a revolution that <hes> <music> <hes> these will contain the society history will contain it itself its own momentum towards a meaningful foale resolution of some sort and all our hopes for a final solution and an anti endeavor that that's right and so i thank the failure of all those projects really was the spur of <hes> nineteenth century twenty th century philosophy and all sorts of different ways <hes> and i think that <hes> buddhism is if it's lucky about about to go through a similar process of disillusion how how so in its effectiveness well first of all <hes> finally got enlightenment. Isn't what it's cracked up to be right doesn't do the kinds of things we imagine that we can have all these kinds of experiences experiences <hes> <hes> we're still stuck within ourselves in some way this is kind of after the ecstasy the laundry injury kind realization and lineman used that would in a in a in a sense of like <hes> non-jewish states or a <hes> such a big word right well. There are all sorts of special experiences people have that i think basically plug into different kinds suv realizations of the emptiness or permanence of things or the overall unity and interdependence of things people have these kinds it's of experiences with some regularity with varying degrees of effect. <hes> you know because i'm bolton alta psychiatrist zen teacher. I get some very interesting people showing up at my door to tell me about their experiences combat either one. I can remember somebody who said he wanted some validation for what had happened to him like i said sure come come man tell me about he says i had <hes> i had been sitting on my own and all of a sudden i had this great white light experience which rich myself disappeared emerged with everything around me and i felt this incredible bliss and joy and i'm thinking wow wow that's a pretty impressive experience which i one of those right and i you know i said wow. That's really impressive. I told them i said and what's been happening since that experience he says well. I'm still living in my parent's basement playing video games all day. This is the this is the classic problem but of confusing what's called confusing experience experience for realization. This is not something new to buddhism right that <hes> this inside that top the top down approach is maybe we should just described that is that there's this peak experience that can be accessed through some type of practice whether it be cohen practice or recitation practice and then that peak experience had people describe it in many ways. Has this transformative effect that you can take that changes you in such a way that day to day you'll different right that's right and <hes> it doesn't it doesn't certainly a dozen very <hes> in the absence of a a ongoing practice of some conned. Well even nowadays he the psychedelic movement. This is how they speak right away. They <hes> they're they're just rewinding the tape and playing that same idea over and over again that this single top-down experience will be <hes> transformative and so i feel like the i've been there. We've done that you. You know. You're well. That's that's you know when you when traditional bushmaster <unk> you know like tibetan buddhist matches the that's what i know when people who talk about psychedelics in that way you they're like. They're like like pretty much what you're saying. Don't confuse experience for realization well. That's but anyway so then. There's has this bottom up approach that you talk about so there is an alternative right so we're sort of learning in this experiment encounter with buddhism <hes> with coming to this disillusionment in terms of enlightenment. You talk about this. I salute the other thing about the disillusionment that i think is important. <hes> relevant relevant to us today. Is that <hes> we can get. We're becoming disillusioned by the idea idea that there is a original universal truth discovered covered by shopping mooney that has been passed down and then we can recover at experience ourselves in the present and what the disillusionment is now is a kind of realization that buddhism has always been a historical all cultural project that is endlessly evolving and is different in all sorts of different contexts and that at the idea that we're going to over and over again half reformations in which we go back to the to the early true unfunded mental buddhas of the gospels right yes. I think this is a another allusion. The who's buddhism is truest the illusion though and now there's no correct answer that that was that's right. It's wrong question. Actually is what you're pointing out is. That question is the wrong mm question. It's the wrong question. It follow william james <hes> who said judge these things by their fruits not their roots. Yes but william james seem to be a top down so a fellow from my understanding. That's that's true. James was interested in these big experiences. It didn't have what he thought. Regular practice was diluted version of those people experience yet so yes so there's this disillusionment with you. You use your forecasting basically what people are gonna discuss what you know this modern buddhism some discoveries that they're gonna come up in the near future. If if it hasn't already for some people i would. I would say that in a way they've already been discovered many times in their tradition and you can read them but that's not to negate the importance of what you're saying. I want to know how the bottom up. Let's talk about the bottom up and see is is that is that sort of practice <hes> more relevant in this coming situation the bottom of practice in some on ways since <hes> <hes> very deflationary of fire <hes> fantasies and <hes> ideals because <hes> <hes> it suggests what we have to do is work with our moment to moment resistance what will resisting again it is <hes> impermanent said vulnerability and roam the moment to moment signs of that are in our anxiety eddie or anger judgments are tempted control thing and the basic dilemma in practices that when you <hes> when you said ed you watch your mind or engage at us kind of concentration practice you almost always begin <hes> under the illusion illusion though you're going to either control purify your mind and that the bottom up kind of practice and the and the difficulty difficulty there is that you can almost do it right. You can get good at it up to a point but the bottom up practice is not trying to maximize exercise the ways you can do it but to stay at the edge of where you can't do. It can't do what exactly have the have the kind of good sitting there. Do you think you're there for to say so. If i see somebody you know have an interview if people in the middle of a practice session they may unwanted come in and tell me how they had this nice long stretch where the mind quieted down and not too many disturbing disturbing thoughts and their breathing slow down <hes> <hes> you know say that's nice enjoy that as long as you can. That's it's very pleasant but what tell me what happened. When that stopped what interrupted it is say what intruded and what was the period where your mind was all over the place and you couldn't quiet down. What was that like for. You and i tell people that probably in the long run. <hes> you know everybody can't help to divide things to good sittings bad cities right. You know the wants were the ones where their mind is all over the place in the long run through your real practice. Bad sittings are much more valuable than the good ones allow allow yeah i can go. Those are the ones where you really have to look in the mirror and say this is me. I a <unk> i have within me all these self states that are much more complicated much more uncontrollable that i want and one way or another. I have to sit still with them and that that to me. Is the real practice be able to sit. I'd still stay with all the parts of yourself. You came to practice to get rid of so so the so let's just contrast top-down peak experience dance we just went through that bottom up is basically you know <hes> simply being in the moment sitting right and then not and then you're talking about an age right so as not necessarily being in the zone when you're sitting it's coming face to face with what's there at that at that moment and and for some reason that's good to do and so why why is that good to it's good to do because what you to see is that the whole of <hes> who you are is organized around control and avoidance this from a buddhist perspective the self is this whole constellation of trying to make make things go a certain way. Try to avoid other things. Try to get into one st in hold onto it. All this is self centeredness. <hes> the the hardest thing to do <hes> is to actually leave everything just as it is because the whole function of our mind is the control transformed judge push away right and what happens is that if if you could really sit still and develop a mental carla guest sitting still when you sit still <hes> even if itches a hertz or your restless your physically still you don't do anything about it right. <hes> you wanna create a rental correlate of that that when you have thoughts or feelings or restlessness inside you don't do anything to make it go away. Stay with that feeling that you're seeing. You're seeing 'cause you're. You're seeing your voidance is that is that what you're saying of of the itchiness for example. You're seeing your sensual nature as it avoided yeah as an avoid that so there's so basically by being in this state just simply being being in this moment <hes> you actually have access us thought to see this controlling and voidance activities which is which is this is up careful uses but the self inaction and that's how you see the self control of doing nothing. <hes> is the one thing that throws a wrench into the gears yep so doing nothing throws the wrench into the gears meaning that you see it you see this activity rather being rather being lost in the activity. Is that what you're making a distinction well you you experience this yourself constantly trying to get out of the moment trying to transform the moment and you can make in a certain sense of choice to just stay with the thing that you would habitually avoid the way you can make a choice to move when you're physically and paying so so if we talk talk about itching it was a common thing in meditation. Everyone can relate so. I told you that energy and then i got an inch and i i. I want to avoid that age so i just sit there and in doing so i learned about this avoidance of itchiness right. I learned what happens if i don't avoid to learn what happens if i don't so he's the point this is that was my question is going savings scratching you scratch it. So what do you not like so. I scratch it. So what in the what am i missing when i do that. What do you see what you're missing is. <hes> the idea that experience can be left alone when you scratch it what you're doing say every everything is factory has to be fixed okay so when i when i say that it's an i'm learning that an experience can be left alone. That doesn't seem to be a good thing anyway but the good thing is that i find mind that i don't have to avoid i don't have to control is is that is that where it's going like learning that i you know i can just be with a sensation is that is that valuable yes. It's it's <hes> that that's where you discover the absolute and daily life k. c. joko said people always this accused me of psychology ising zen well. All i'm doing is teaching the absolute moments after mode and that absolute is a type of inter subjectivity activity. Is that what you're talking about an end so it's more it's more like whereas the peak experiences amora. It seems you think that's the absolute right. Bash people conscious that for the absolute the absolute the absolute the absolute in the sense of this is complete full in a imperfect in and of itself. It's not an imperfect version of something else. It's not a step on the way into somewhere else but this is it so this has they deem and so now example of wanting to scratch we have the sense at the edge is not it is not easy to it. I want to be in the moment but not this moment not yet because we think that that moments in perfect right so we want to get into a better before we're going to be one with the moment yeah right and so hello joko certainly was teaching was now what you have to do is stay with the one with every moment regardless of content right yeah. This is like you're like. You're a proponent of equal opportunity for all moments in some <unk>. That's the idea and that's hard to take sometimes 'cause you. You have people who come to you at you. Being being psychoanalyst come in have who unlike <hes> completely shut down through anxiety right well. Let's look at that's a good example because <hes> <hes> if you work with someone who is anxious <hes> up to a point you can and give them techniques or drugs that will dial down the anxiety but that's <hes> in the long run very <hes> <hes> unhelpful or very limited approach because <hes> leaves anxiety as a bad thing that we had we can do a better or worse job of making go away if you if you really want to help somebody with anxiety but you have to help them do it is to practice doing things anxiously okay so i want to say this is a little bit saddle and i wanna tease this apart so let's talk about a state of anxiety right state of anxiety and for me. I'm an emissions push back a little bit <hes> and play the skeptic in terms of the row of equal opportunity opportunity for old moments right and so at the moment is a moment of anxiety so here let's draw distinction between the wanting into not anxious and the means for not being anxious and then also the <hes> categorizing categorising of being anxious bad so we can say the categorizing of being anxious as bad as not help well. You could say okay <hes> of course you're going to say. The experience of anxiety is unpleasant. I mean <hes> do say that's bad. That's all they'll say oh anxiety. I love being anxious but the the point is that <hes> someone whose name i'm i'm always forgetting an analyst to find anxiety as the experience of trying to control the uncontrollable yep okay okay and in that case anxiety very typically is a self-perpetuating because one of the things anxious shis person goes through. Is they start doing something. They start feeling anxious. They try to calm down. They try to do something to get rid of the anxiety they can't do it and that makes them more anxious yes so they become anxious about being anxious and then they start panicking that i'm never never gonna be able to <hes> do do this thing because how anxious i am so it becomes a whole self perpetuating cycle this this is how this is where we need to make the distinction between the method for being free of anxiety and the the wish to be nor anxious right so sometimes so you we may use someone might want to be free of anxiety right now everybody. Everybody wants to be free of anxiety. Let's just do that right and so sometimes you you might say that <hes> the wanting to be free of anxiety is actually the coal is is not helping the anxiety even though the <unk> go is to be free of anxiety right notre so and then at so then a lot of times when i hear this seems to be confusion between the method and the go so we can say that the goal is to be not anxious. Will i think i think really the goal title is to be able to function anxiously. Okay <hes> that's what i i try to work with people on that. They have as a byproduct a long term <hes> decrease in anxiety because you're no longer trying to control the control once you get in the habit of saying big. Doing that really makes me anxious but i'll just do it anxiously when you do that over and over again unbutton generally rings goes out but you can't you can't cut to the chase of that that you're talking about pets here again right so for example. If if you can't be free of anxiety you you should be able to function with anxiety and then actually that is the method forgetting you free of anxiety but it it may or may not have that effect will not ovarian unpredictable ways to see the real means those leaving everything alone. You say you want it. Self is a symptom of not being able to leave things alone so so you have to start where you are so that's the thing you have this begin leaving alone and in some ways where where where investigating getting this initial opening of <hes> krishnamurti's you know you have to be absolutely free of anger and our responses. That's ridiculous right. I so so but you know there's this. Does this idea that the pre that the moment of anxiety is perfect evolvement. So why is it perfect like it's not not to say you should be shameful of it because it's imperfect that's different but but to say that that moment is perfect and at the same time say it's okay to want to be free of that moment of anxiety <hes>. Let's see perfect. That's perfect. Yes this gets very zen to me so it's okay to tippy free want to be free of that. Let's get out. That's that's a thought yeah the two that you'll have but you see in a sense cents it's can you just fully occupy that moment of thought and feeling right. I realized what it that is and that instruction you just gave seems to me to be a method to to resolve the problem. That seems to be in the moment. It's a it's in a sense. It's a mistake to think of a technique that works well or badly. Can i stop cannot do you there because you said it's a mistake to think of it as a technique that aids eve that either works doesn't work or that scotto bat so here's my question. It's a mistake to think of it as a technique. That's right okay yes. That's that's the most basic level. <hes> meditation is not a technique dogan says <hes> that he says the azan of which i speak is not attack the of meditation it's dharma gay to joy and he's yes yes but to say something is not a technique means. It's not a means to an end and it's not something you can do well or badly. It's not a means to an end and it's not something you can drill <hes> that's right so so that's the space of of zas and that i think is extremely extremely hard to pre people to initially grasp but it's really what makes <hes> zaza on a religious practice piss as opposed to a a technique. It's what distinguishes it from something like mindfulness <hes> and the the real point of coming into zenda. Is your your for a little while in a place where you're off this grid of of <hes> of means to end thinking which completely fills the rest of your life everything else you're doing. You're in a mode road. Of how am i doing in my there yet really in his endo. What you're doing is like sitting down in front until you're you can't do that right or wrong right but you sit in front of you mirror mirror your face automatically appears in the mirror is doing all the work yeah and that's the space <hes> of zen so let's let's let's let's tease apart good and bad and means to end. I think this is important except in bad add right but that the activities is not a means to an end those were when you sit in front of a mirror and look at your face. It's very clear that you you can't do a good good or bad and the mirror does all the work right through but to say that it's not a means to an end is to say something different and so it can use the analogy legacy in the same analogy and explain why zan is not a means to an end for example well. I always like to uh quote. Koto suwalki who says is useless right. I mean that's that this kind of radical assertion of it's not ov means to an end. <hes> zaza is performance. It's not a means to enlightenment. It's it's performing relight mentioned it performs being this moment so that makes a lotta sense so let's take the moment of anxiety right right <hes> <hes> anything you do in that moment that might be considered zen. Practice is not a means to get rid of that anxiety riding right. It's it's performance of alignment in that moment right you perform your anxiety as if that anxiety and change is the truest expression of who you are in the world in this moment right the full expression of every it's all come to this right yes and so you you own that and leave it alone. It's that's what's in the mirror for in that moment. Got it so that gives meaning to the we see it not to become buddha because we already are these sort of things you he by. That's right <hes> the the problem. Is that <hes> you know. We don't much like how it feels here. We say buddha should feel better than that. That doesn't a code with mine. My feeling of what buddha should feel. That's just not as perfect as well. It's very cool. So have you felt like so then. I was hoping to get to this space so thank you <hes> and and so i wanted to contrast this space like what you do in zenda with what you do in your psychic psychoanalytical practice this could use us trying to bring them together in a sense so when someone walks in with anxiety <hes> that's a hard pill to swallow. Hello what you did them. Xango so is it is it converged erodes dr separate ways no. It's it's the same practice in different. A <hes> context with different containers say <hes> the analytic relationship is a container in which you leave everything alone. Let people stay with experience they would otherwise ward off classical analysis freud talked about that in terms of repression and <hes> <hes> feelings or wishes the primarily sexual regressive that the conscious mind disowns and treats is not me at pushes into the unconscious at so the work of analysis is to allow things. Would you habitually say not as not a hey to merge and be able to say to them. This is me this is may that's really what's happening on the cushion to all sorts of stuff his emerging that you say this is made the analytic offices. It's the same they get a different context. I don't i'm not a different person than what senator the other okay so there seems to be so that this presumption distrust in both settings that just letting letting it be is self righting probably zander. That's not the right word because there's nothing to write but it seems to be see that there's this trust that if we just let let it be that there's this sort of correction and identities awards that are tricky because you don't want to say correction in bed later. Let me just go there for a second sure. There's a way in which letting it be interrupts. The whole dynamic of <hes> of suffering offering suffering is not letting it'd be letting it be is the thing that <hes> <hes> reverses so does that that longstanding mechanism and we'll call it could be able to do that to more or less degrees and ed and you think is that belief you have or is that something that and maybe it's we won't go into today but i'm just interested. Is that something you know. It's something i know from my personal experience life experience of working with people. I'm doing this for forty some years. I have some experience with live. Yes so you've seen it. You've seen that process work. So what does it mean to to see that process work in in a in a context when there's no this is not a means to an end still. There's <hes> in a sense what what happened. You know <hes> let me put. This joko used to say that enlightenment is of the presence of something. It's the absence of something right so in a sense you see you see more and more the absence of subject right and you see you see a decrease in the resistance to your life as it is you see a capacity to live inside your road skid in your own head in a different way right so so a decreasing resistance is something you'll see <hes> but we don't think of that as an end and so <hes> do you feel like that the <hes> psychoanalytic idea of a self which i know very little about and the zen thin idea of no self you start talking about you know taking things away rather than putting things battered saying things are there so the the removal of resistance type of expression of selflessness. Maybe so this idea are they talking about the same thing will let the old old question everyone is asking decades ago is <hes> is buddhism tried to eliminate the self and psychotherapy psychotherapy trying to strengthen the self. Aren't they working at cross-purposes. This is a mistake in how each one of these words is used in their own context. The self is see the the emptiness of the self. <hes> is not something you achieve something something. That's already there alert to tolerate the cell right. <hes> the the self is is an emptiness simply means needs <hes> permanence empty of any <hes> fixed unchanging essence right. That's already the case. That's not something you have to achieve you have to be able to stay with the reality that and mostly retried and deny avoid it staying with the reality of that seems mostly the job right you use the word tolerate which is very interesting because the way because of the way this emptiness yeah so of course emptiness is not something you create back. It's something that's already there the empty necesary and use would you tolerate that that's very interesting and because we have this resistance to into that that reality especially when you think of emptiness is impedance right will these type of things the trial and so that this idea of removing resistance johnson on on tolerance goes up. Here's yes tolerance goes yes with removing resistance tolerance goes up yeah and so it seems like the the bottom match up approach gives you a quite a different sense of emptiness stand top down approach. Would that be fair or yes. I think that's try as a top down. Approach gives you these moments where everything is feels perfect just as it is says but that becomes a kind of sequestered experience that you want to just have again. Sometimes you know it it certainly to some extent changes your your relationship to things and you have to have an increase capacity to find joy or wonder in all sorts of ordinary things. It seems like the top down approach. When you have those peak experience you can come out and go to ways you can go away that leads you to where sort of the bottom much bottom up approach goes start to see these these the inter relationships between you see more accurately because of that peak experience this sort of <hes> resistance and all this other stuff that that it just puts it in contrast or the other so you can go is the way we've already spoken about way. You feel like you're special in it really rather than the first way you would. <hes> sort of it's sort of it's like a takes the edge off jewison when it's one reinforces if you go the wrong way to the most positive affect is when it infuses simple humanness with a sense of okinawa's that the you see i i like to think of the story of shock your mundi the the morning star into as this guy has been killing himself for years doing one incredible intense practice after another trying to get get to something right or trying to get away from something right yeah and finally one morning he sitting there and he sees this star twinkling and he gets the idea. Oh i'm just like that a <hes> that started have to practice for ten years to be a star. That star is constantly changing. It's twinkling but it's just vinastar. It's it's it's not lacking a single thing starner's and i'm exactly like that. There's nothing missing this. Nothing lacking that that says i think is the i think the core realization allegation of practice that there's nothing better and you. I heard you had an experience in your first class in psychiatry where you looked around and you saw everyone it being exactly who they are supposed to be in that very moment. Is that relatable yeah. I think that was a very you know tiny little taste of that that sense of everybody just perfectly being themselves right that <hes> you stop seeing them as patients or people who are stuck in in this resistance or that problem and all of a sudden you just see them as if they were actors perfectly nailing their role you know getting it exactly we right so let's talk about <hes> in that context of every. Let's talk about what is practice this question we were we we went playing with at the beginning. What is practicing zan so frank. This is a ritualized disciplined and <hes> ritualized discipline of awareness which we leave everything just as we find it to <music> <hes> quote fit right <hes> so we do that both in analytic practice and it's an practice. It's it's this container that we create to leave everything alone and the container is what like we talked about containers that stott in harm laving well. That's the that's the ritual the discipline. It's an office. It's as endo. It's being an analyst. That's being a teacher. It's it's it's all these <hes> <hes> culturally created roles that allow people to to hold still for a little bit yeah and then how do you understand stand in relationship to practice insight you know in in freudian language making the unconscious conscious <hes> what would incite be in zen practice realization inside realization. Maybe they're different well. I should say in the freudian model. The insight is that <hes> i contain all these aspects of myself like sexual wishes that i've tried a to avoid the inside is still allow them to to be part of me right. That's me too and i can. I can absorb that without the half to push it away right. <hes> died inside happens <hes> zen practice to with the more fundamental the mental insights into the reality escape ability of the pearl minutes invulnerability interdependence right it and see the the end there is that it's not just all bad news yep right. It's not when you you realize impermanent and interdependency us have this moment of oh shit shit. I can't escape any of it right. I'm really screwed <hes> that that is the reaction of a still of the south. Who's trying to avoid all those things right. You re the real <hes> inside his that all all these things are like that twinkling star this is they are all okay perfect just as they are that the absolute is to be felled in the midst midst of suffering the midst of change. It's there's there's nowhere else to find it. Wow so like for a is talking about these unconscious. I was just unconscious drives that you bring into awareness but this is a little bit different because let's use our each example so i'm you know meditating and h comes up and i notice you know avoidance resistance. Whatever avoidance in this situation but that's not the inside the inside is knowing that that and that avoidance is just like the twinkling star is that is that what i'm hearing even the leaving the avoidance twinkling star. Yes that's really <hes>. That's really what would sure practice <hes>. It feels like i think just that increase capacity to say this is this is life as it is that this is this moment just as it is and uh not good engage in any notion of trying to fix it. It's just a manifest station right yeah and then say you have the the idea that you want to increase the capacity to do that. Is that a mistake or is that okay in your in your world is that or is that is that okay okay but you shouldn't actually try what we'd what do we do with these impulses. Well we recognized how paradoxical this this whole business is very often the attempt to do something produces the opposite right <hes> to increase that capacity is simply to try to stay with our experienced regardless of content yeah and that's the paradox that's right that that the wanting to increase the capacity up the actual act in wanting that often leads to the reduction in that maybe eighty is a paradox there becomes a new fantasy of control but what i'm interested in is if that paradox removes it doesn't negate the i wish to want more of that capacity. That doesn't say that that's bad. That's actually in at this own system. It's perfect in of itself anyway so to know that that is perfect in the practice. It's another thought it's another thing happening. It's to see that you don't problem ties these things but there's always a kind of meta level in which you look at what things reinforce habits versus what things go against the grain of them. I i mean that's a there is some level in which you you observe what's going on with the teacher observes. What are you doing yet. Rider you spinning your wheels of digging yourself deeper or <unk> to take your foot off the gas for a while so they could change that sort of a function the teacher in those moments right yeah exactly and then often like the arising of resistance. Is that a place to dig into like something's to do there. Is that a sign nine. Oh i'm seeing <hes> seeing of ocean. I'm seeing affliction. Just feel just feel that just feel feel just film that in its own arrive is an experience at its own right so this is a more comparative question meditative system comparative so say say you're doing bottom up practice you simply being in the moment and shift and say you might be doing labeling. I think you teach labeling right tape joko in that. I don't do not do that so much anymore because she thought it was something. That was very simple. Simple that people could do but my experiences it becomes one more thing people do well or badly. Both that's what i was thinking right so it's too much like a technique for for my taste okay so you've let that one go essay but todd of the practice of looking at thoughts you know and i think you make this point. I think i read it somewhere. In one of your books is that it sort of gets you from you when you normally thinking thing is is thinking about objects in focus on the content then it sort of sits. You didn't say this. I don't think but i don't wanna put words in your mouth but this sort of practice gets you more closer the process of thinking so it's not just about the object it's about thinking about object and my question for you is in your practice. Is there an emphasis emphasis or the practice you teach is their emphasis then not just on the process but the subjectivity of the process rally the <music> object or is that something that's not part of this practice. I don't think i would put it that way. I think i've cracked joko. Remember remember was once asked. How do you practice joke out and she says i just sit and think it seems <hes> it certainly seeing thought as process as a bodily activity i picked out might be one of the best ways to think about than you fake you. You see thoughts like itches like sounds. They're they're thing it's something that <hes> your body is experiencing and you know you. Don't try to make make thoughts. Go away anymore than try to make sounds from the street. Go away. No you're not you're not trying to aim for a blank mind lillard. All you're not trying to daydream. Dream is well somewhere set spacing between somewhere. It seems i'd let you know i would let i would let people daydream until they wore lord out. Get bored yet into <unk> truth. <hes> i think what you don't want to do is have one part of the mind in fight fight fight with another part and call it practice and and so if you know i i heard used the woods psychologically minded zinn and so how does that how does that relate to these soda practice but that's what we're describing here is <hes> practice of non on avoidance that leads into the sense of this. Is it each moment regardless of content. That's you know you could say the psychological part is that focus on avoidance and control at that <hes> but it it's exempt because there is a a perfection of the moment that reveals itself in that right. It's not adjust caster oil right. It's not just do this thing because it's hard but it's good for you to swallow it right the underlying sense that of that boarding star experience the morning star experiences what makes characterizes arises it as zan right right and is this how you differentiate it a zen practice what you teach from <hes> you know your will common variety garden variety type of mindfulness practice this sort of <hes> known observation sorry observation of the present moment and being non-judgmental around it it's yes i think the dilemma is that garden variety mindfulness is explicitly technique that you can do well badly that it tends to be very goal oriented. They make big advertisements about all all the benefits of it. The opposite of the morning star did the opposite of useless. It's the opposite of useless lists but you know you got a tough marketing campaign when you have a ties. Is you know come to the window. I teach something that's absolutely useless. That's okay with you. I'm sure prefer better for worse. That's the only thing i is there anything else. You wanted to explore like anything else like. What are you thinking about. These days like you obviously seem to have your mind on in some of the disillusionment that's coming for buddhists and what how would you prepare us for that well. I think we're heading for a <hes> what somebody like owen flanagan calls a naturalized buddhism buddhism that <hes> uh is adapted to a scientific and psychologically minded western culture that <hes> so in my mind stays religious because religious is the hallmark of ending needs to end thinking so i think the great temptation during danger is that <hes> disillusionment would lead to instrumentalization <hes> <hes> and this just becomes a techniques. Did you do this to calm your mind. Though your blood pressure do this that and the the other thing i think it's crucial that it stay religious practice because that's where the uselessness is yes yes at but doesn't it seem that a- as it converges with science and psychology that it that is what will make us lose its uselessness right because that seems to be what's happening but the danger danger they see i think i think it has to be compatible with a western ideas science. I think that <hes> you did i think ideas like reincarnation have to be seen as asian cultural artifacts that have no place in western buddhism so <hes> but <hes> the big temptation is not <hes> makes you know use science to hoax up to eat machines and try to see what benefits they're accruing. I think that it makes more sense to do that than to hook up a rabbi a priest and try to determine whether it's more useful to be a juror catherine. Let's line up all the denominations on f._m. And go with the brightest run i think so but the problem for uh this it may be a big problem than it seems because science itself is going through the disillusionment own disillusionment right like that's what you started off the conversation with this. It's philosophy that saying there's a disillusionment so you know as buddhism comes into convergence with the the this science. That's also starting to see that you know the foundation. It was built on half to be questioned. <hes> that's an interesting thing. Yes i think unfortunately when buddhists <hes> buddhas are all too quick to to use science as validation in what they're doing good. I think that's a big mistake and then what's the what's it in this system in your system of jumped jumping in this system. Why does the problem with <hes> belief in reincarnation. Why if everything is perfect in every thought is perfect why why the correction through science well. I mean it's perfect repair to the moon is has made green cheese as thought. You could pick anything you want but i think it's <hes> the idea that we're going to go back to some to me. Essentially dualistic idea that body and spirit are separable that spirit has a the <hes> in existence separable from body and can continue after i think that is old fashioned will i don't. I think we should go there. I also try to teach people. You are your body. Yes so you wanna do us part of buddhism. What is mr do some reality. Check as well so that's the that's the paradox as well with this morning star sort of perfection but also this need for this aims to be a coal to reality checking if someone thinks the moon is green yes i mean that's <hes> see i think the danger is been that add people kwait spirituality with something transcendent right and you know used to be people went around all the time saying i'm spiritual but not religious <hes> i've always said the opposite i'm religious religious but not spiritual not spiritual perfection without the transcendence is what we want. That's right. It's a it's. It's imminent snug transcendence. Yes well. That's very nice. Maybe we end up on that that that that's it's a good though that was a good night thank you. I hope you enjoyed the conversation next on the wisdom podcast. I have the owner of speaking with his holiness. The circuitry is in the forty second throne holder of the suck. Your school of tibetan buddhism speeding dominates important but also tried to provoke dhamma and try to give this dhamma to the to the next generation. It's very important. If we need to give teaching and train the a younger generations friendly speaking i just by giving teachings for three days five days sundays in this countless attend co two other players. I think just by doing this wanting. We can of the teaching to preserve with me. I think i personally i need to do more than this uh-huh.

anxiety analyst cohen william james carolina berry kohl daniel laken duggan Magid zaza dr larry barry todd todd zenda teamsters murdy new york freud detriot simon critchley
The Boxing with a Fighter in Miami After Youtubing a Person Taking Stripper Money Episode

The Corner

1:25:04 hr | 6 months ago

The Boxing with a Fighter in Miami After Youtubing a Person Taking Stripper Money Episode

"Ouseley what listener. We wanted to take a second. Thank you for listening to this blue wire. PODCAST be sure to show your support to this pond. By subscribing and dropping a five star review on itunes a follow on spotify or the appropriate job for any other platform might be listening. And if you're enjoying this show chances are you'll let one of our seventy five other sports podcasts. Find more shows you'll you'll love at blue iron PODS DOT com. Thanks again for listening and now back to your regularly scheduled podcast what everybody welcome to another episode of the Corner Pie. cash-out shout to blue wire the network. Shout out to our new sponsor bet online. It's been a second. We've been some busy guys. So so the old man Andres Hale was in Miami living it up and doing a little bit of work during Super Bowl Week which we're going to get into in a second. I went to Disneyland and to my daughter there for birthday and my stepdaughter was also her on the same day. So I took the whole fam- fourteen seen people to Disneyland. And the Disneyland resort. I am because his Ostad but it was fun. dray I would. I like to say on on the record that I apologize for badmouthing adults who go to Disneyland or Disney world. I was misinformed. It's actually Kinda Fun. I kind of find that it is great fun. Let's be real here like you went like I win. Took my family Last summer like we got a three day. Pass like we're only GONNA go for two days now at third. They rolled around. You like Yo. I'm going back to the adventure part and then we hit these whereas it I miss and we'll go to galaxy age. You going to get it in like it's great to see the kids have a good time but man. I told you I told you good. You didn't bet on this one. No right this one. I have come to my senses. It's like a During our first episode why bad mouth did Brunch and manicures. Yeah now look at you. Yeah so it's I have to admit it was fun. I still didn't get see every ride. I didn't get to go on Galaxy's edge. Yeah you text a little stupid apple like nine. Am I texted at nine to one hundred seventeen group one hundred seventeen I was like damn I walked right in when I was me and my pastas superstar wars. And they're like yo listen. He went on it twice. I just walked in zero. That's ridiculous yeah so it was. Bananas Dingo Gone that ride but everything else was really fun Shut out to the world wide leader in sports. All the free tickets a person of the job so that was dope and then. I don't know what you're doing wrestlemainia week but me. Markus Vanderberg for an podcasts Yahoo. Sports we're going to Disneyworld that Monday. No we're not watching the riots mania. We're GONNA live it up and chill at Disney so I can't wait to go to Disney world. Try to do everything in one day. It should be easier without kids. Yeah y'all can have that and I'm not going to take my daughter so I'm flying home it's GonNa GonNa be enough wrestling with burnt out that we can go. I can't be mad at that talking about being burt-out you were just down in Miami. Who Super Super Bowl Week? And you know how are you doing. Let's start let's start power you doing. Great let's make sure you're okay man. I'm recovered a couple of days off. I guess can give you guys run down so yes. We'll talk about the zone car. We had Miami Meters Andrew Trade in Luke Keeler and the Jake Paul Ants on give fight but I was pulling double duty. I was doing super bowl week. And for those who follow me on social media saw Monday. Got Down there to Miami opening night. Me and one of our deputy editors Chris Maxwell we brought Rackham sock them. Robots brought it to the opening night floor. People are like what are you guys doing. We're like young play soccer robot so we play rock robots with the niners in the chiefs and It made the front page of the forty niners website We were in a bunch of newspapers and yeah it was wild man like that opening night was well well just to see how many players were engaged in that then it was like Tuesday. We did a If any of you who have never been to the Super Bowl and if there's any journalists who listen to this and the Super Bowl main this is my first one. Oh my God and what's your immediate party in the media party had one floor you go upstairs it's like a cruise ship. It's like a bunch of old people in the ban. I was like all right. This is cool. Walked around and then there's downstairs downstairs Casino Video Games pinball DJ EJ gravy with ocean open bar like food from all across the world. It was amazing. Absolutely amazing now is like the first one second party was a gatorade party and that was like a dinner party. Where eight octopus? For the first time probably be my last time was all that great Beer Manu. It was crazy. We'll talk about the fight. Talk about the inner workings of US building. This venue for this fight which was Unin island. It's goes it's doug spare no expense. We really didn't. We spared no expense for this fight. Damn it was just. It was a really busy busy a hectic week. You skipped over two things. One your flower shirt. Oh every day. Oh yeah yeah okay so yes so if I figured if there was anywhere that I can wear like sunglasses inside in Deuce bag like Hawaiian shirt. It'd be in Miami right so every day. I had a different floral theme shirt. Awards jacket with sunglasses every day and I felt amazing doing like I was on the rooftop in Miami which will talk about Jake given answering give got into it and chain Moses about go give off the roof and I just standing there taking pictures I care. I was Miami's amazing. It was like eighty degrees outside like there was so many and then for those of you who are new this park as I am a super duper niners fan so my heart is broken. We'll talk about that later but it was like it was almost was like a dream. Come true I spent way too much. Money thing fell shot just buying niners gear A lot of it just sucks now lost. But what's the other thing. What else am I missing? You said two things. I WANNA DO SPEC shirts. Yeah that was and your and your niners breaking your heart like your house like we can't skip over the game because they blew a ten point lead and your boy. Shanahan is known for this now as soon as they got up off impending doom yet so it was rough because I mean obviously as a niners fan Dan Lewis. I'm not as fan getting to the Super Bowl with something that we really weren't supposed to do this year. We were in key rebuild mode. Jimmy gives feedback under a building that defense hoping to be healthy. The Scientific Coleman. We're looking at this team like all right. I'm hoping for nine seven. No we go to the Super Bowl so entering the super bowl. I wasn't going to be too heartbroken. If we've lost and I was like are we suppose is be year but we're here now so I'd like to win as we're winning. I'm excited. I'm like I do that. Third and fifteen killed me as soon as he is sues. Patrick Patrick Mahomes fifteen. I was like it's over. We're done they're gonNA come back win between that and our mismanagement of the clock before the end of the first half where here we should have called a timeout. If we got the ball back just went for the jugular that those are two key things that just killed me so yeah. I was miserable for a night. I'm back I'm good. I got some sleep family. SPEC to work is back to work but Miami I love. You was amazing. It was busy. We did a lot of shit lot of shocking. We talk about on this podcast because it was just wild but it was a lot of work. So don't get a misconstrued. I wasn't just sitting there having a good time. I worked a lot lot. No yeah no doubt about that N.. Schoneman good fight the good fight week in the ambiance of the fight seemed really cool and I'm not one of the people who are going to hate on Jake Paul as soon as his fight specifically. Because I told you last week that was the main event for me for a lot of people so it was like okay. Let's see what they have and Give was out there. You gotTa tell me about Shane Mosely but it it really felt like that the entrances everything they made them feel like professional boxers. Yeah I mean I guess we'll get into so yes. Yeah there are a Lotta. This allowed in annoying group of boxing furious. Who really hate these fights? These youtuber fights. I don't hate them because I feel like right. They're fighting each other. It's not like Kinda versus flow with like one guy doesn't belong in the ring with these guys are like low guys now. If you've ever been to a fight and I'm I'm not talking about the pay per view of the fight. I'm talking about from the first fight on. There's some really bad fighters to our professional fights in boxing. There are like really bad fighters so it was terrible. Don't get me wrong absolutely terrible. He got mowed down just was wretched but these guys have massive followings and Dan when you get the utes. The youtube crowd involved in boxing. Only good things can eventually happen. Now if you're a boxing purists ain't watch this anymore guess what. You're not going to be missed because you're like a small minority like boxing still very neat. So it's like it is what it is. You don't have to watch that fight. There are many times I watched the pay per view. And there's a fight on the pay per view and I'm like if I'm not covering it I'll go get a drink. Isa Pizza do something else. I'll come back for the fights. I WanNa see you. You can skip that fighting. It ain't that hard. I'm not defending this as a company man. I'm defending this as somebody who understands that. Boxing needs to reach bigger audiences and I recognized denies that being out there because in Miami and building this facility. Yo The people that were at this fight like listen the walking radio row. which we'll we'll talk about mass madonna use bone and all that but walking radio row and we see Saquon Barkley Sake was like I want to go to the fight where I wanna go see Andrew Keiller? He wanted to see Jake Jake Paul and then he was just like I'm just GonNa stay so we had him on the broadcast Juju. He was there he wanted to go to fight. I will bleacher report media party. Everybody there wanted to go with the fight. They had no idea who his Andrew was didn't even care. They want to see the Jake Paul. I'm sorry like the women that were there. The celebrities I were there were like we had a like a black carpet. We rolled out. It just was introducing boxing to a new is and Mayfield young. Fresh new and to be clear. Jake Paul absolutely absolutely terrible in this fight. It looks like it work. Shane gave him a better job than his brother. Logan Paul and maybe he could fight so he will never be a world champion. Here's no business fighting the best of the best boxing. But if you put these fights on cars and you can bring a new audience. Why not like I'm telling you that atmosphere and that place was electric? And as soon as Jake Paul knocked out give sixty percent of that crowd left. They waited for like a round or two of the android fight we're Andrew Blitz. keillor knocked down the two points in and as soon as I saw the fight was ragging on people left and went to the wilburns. That's the key. 'cause you gotTA party you can't be late to the parties no we did. We did the way in by I appeal on a rooftop and like like all of these people came out like youtube because I don't know who they are they have massive followings. There's so many people wanted to be involved with this event like again. This is not some that you really regularly do every single week but when it makes sense it makes makes sense and as long as Jake Paul Not Fighting Camello out here that much. It's not that big of a deal like ESPN would do it or PBC Z.. Like I wouldn't care. This is a model. This bringing young eyeballs. A sport is cool and it brings a bigger thing and we'll get to the exact fights in a second but the bigger narrative is should Miami. Get more fights because it seemed like the ambiance of Miami being eighty degrees having all these clubs it was also also super bowl week so I get it. You can't exactly feel how it would have been as a standalone event but it seems like Miami as a fight. Place in general was rocking earlier in the week. I'M GONNA say no because a lot of fight like media are not going to really travel to Miami semi regularly for fight but this specific thing super bowl weekend. You already have everybody in town for it. It made a lot of sense in the atmosphere was great but it was like you said it was like a byproduct Roddick Super Bowl weekend but it wouldn't hurt to have every once in a while to do in Miami thing like like Miami sweaters that were like pink but the fact of the matter is like you can do this. I'll maybe once a year pretty big car. Maybe a guy like Keith Thurman Who's from Florida put him on the car. It's something like that. I think that would make sense. I think that would be good. It's just not like a regular destination in that arena was built specifically for this matter of fact the FRY and Wednesday night. I keep thinking the fight was on Saturday. It was Thursday Wednesday night. We are running around like doing rounds trying to get things together. The venue was finished like they were still painting and then Thursday morning we had to tell the media to wait a half an hour because of flooring wasn't done so it was like super last minute and all being pulled together uh specifically for this event specifically for the Super Bowl in targeting young demographic it just it made sense people they hated on it. You have to watch the biggest concern with box right now. No not again. I think people to anyway so the boxing purists are going going to watch anyway if you're paying for zone you're going to watch whenever you guys have boxing on. It's just nature beach. You WanNA get your money's worth and it wasn't even the best that's why I like the best the first two of the best of the night which was actually key because those who watch the fight saw Daniel Room for the first time and saw him lose and then they saw ten former versus Joe. Da's which actually to really good fights and they were like. Oh I wanNA see some of these guys so introducing audience to fight him saying never seen before before so it kind of works man like these things. These things work themselves out again. You got a bunch of about it too bad. I'm sorry all right. We're now going to take a quick break to tell you about our brand new sponsor bet online Mr chance to ban on the chiefs niners super bowl. Fear Not blue wires excited to be partnered with bet online to help you win big no matter. The time of the year with the March Madness Masters a major league opening day. Right around the corner bet online. Has You covered for all your latest news. Scores and odds is the best way to place your bets. And it's free to sign up plus it's never too early to lay down your future bet for Super Bowl twenty twenty one so head over to blue dot. Ag and use Promo Code Blue Wire that's B. L. U. E. W. I. R. E. Receive Fifty percent. Welcome bonus on your first deposit. We signed up. It's super easy. If already made a way just it's a fantastic way to support this podcast. Yes again. That's Promo Code Blue Wire. All one word we sign up at BET ONLINE DOT AG. Bring your best bits home with bed online. Your online sportsbook expert birds before beginning to the actual fights. There's still some Miami ambiance beyond stuff. I want to talk about stuff just around the fights in super bowl week there. I say one being driven. Tei Tank Davis Davis Jesus Christ so he was on the fight card but he was involved in a fight or what seems to be where he yoked up his baby mama out of the chair by the scruff of her shirt and then kind of dragged her to the back and he's now turned himself in on domestic violence charges. I guess he's fighting it. I don't know how you fight that. Like you can take take the plea you can say maybe was more context behind it but really everyone saw use natural like the the film is is there I in the sky. Don't lie is old school football coaches say your rat take it and tell people you're sorry you learn from it. Get help nope but I I don't know why he's trying to deny and fight this and there's obviously context we will never know but no context to justify this. This am I wrong. No the biggest concert series drawn saves a stupid. That's the context of everything like if he was term. Self being a dumb ass like listen. There've been a lot of athletes and celebrities a lot of people in general who engage in domestic violence behind closed doors. But you know what happens. Stay behind closed doors and once it gets out to the public you you get massacred for it because domestic violence just not cool. Giovanni Davis Public Basketball Game yoked up his baby mama by her the suffer executive bio throw whichever one you want to consider and took her out and never once that he thinks you know what. Somebody's watching this shit. So yeah like come on. You gotta be smarter than that. Listen listen man like I don't. I don't say criminals should be criminals and I'm not necessarily college volunteer criminal but when you do shit out in the opening get caught. I'm like Yo you gotta be spotting if you're GONNA be a criminal via criminals. You're going to do what you're going to do like do it behind closed doors like right now. Is We're recording. This Nicki Menaj Meek Miller airing out their dirty laundry on twitter loon loon the world in on some things that we don't know are factual or or like true. Like we have no idea what these things are. But they've let the world in and now we get to judge as you say I'll get my now following this dude. It's it's a mess Nikki. Silent about meek beat up his sister and kicked her and and it's a big gigantic miss. You don't air out your laundry in public devante. If you have beef with your baby Momma. Obviously you shouldn't put your hands on her but if you do looney in front of people leads a lot of people to believe that you probably beat her ass behind closed doors so just say get like apologize. I don't know what's wrong with this area. I have no idea what nobody wants to apologize for anything. The everybody wants to fight. Fight Sam sorry. Yeah I don't I don't know and for tank specifically they're trying to push him towards his first pay per view. You're trying to sell places Leonard l'herbe love saying that. Oh he packs packs buildings he puts people in seats. This isn't the way to do it. especially in this current climate you'll be cancelled real quick. I mean he is not going to be He. He's not like they'll find a way to spend it but there's plenty of other people to be the next the big pay per view star. He can be Adrian Boehner in a blink of an eye blinking. I mean devil's advocates. are this floyd got caught up in his fair share a mess. The thing about floyd was he did behind closed doors like there was there was obviously his kids. You know there's people that say these things have happened but it's never been caught on video so floyd just deal with it but he kept winning. Continue this massive stars. Some people swear by flu and it'd be like they act like that. She didn't even happen like it doesn't exist. This would eventually like once you do it in public like as a racist once you say the N.. Word in public. It doesn't go away so you are. Now you're caught so in case I don't get canceled. I don't know if the PR team can spin this away. Because that's their job to clean up a mess and this is a mess. And if he's angling towards his first pay per view maze enough time for this to be cleared up. But Dr you got it like I keep saying get the fuck away from Asian Bronner as far as you can. Oh He's got to lose agents cooked. It's over like agent. Grown is still going to sell tickets for people who want to see him get get beat up and it just continues to happen. All he has left is the fact. He hasn't been knocked out the day he gets knocked out. It's over it's really over for Adrian Boehner. He's got nothing to lose tank. If you've got your whole future ahead of you like you are one of the brightest stars and boxing you do buildings this. I mean call the air judgment. Whatever it is you need to fix this but you need surround yourself with better people and I get it being from Baltimore? He's had a rough life is hard shake out of that and he's still young. But you could fix this which you got to take responsibility for your actions and you gotTa Take Care of business it which means they keep your hands off baby mama the anyone for that matter chill out yeah he has to one you got to want to fix it and then two. He has recognized position that he's in. He's moving like he's a normal dude still and that's why you get just nothing but problems the the level of fucking fucking that it takes to be at a mayweather celebrity basketball game and just say you know what I could Yorker as up right now is beyond belief that just shows that he has zero clue that he's not in Baltimore anymore or that he's now hood common and sense would tell someone that and he's lacking common sense but a lot of people thought that it's okay. I'll say it. I'm going to preface visit. He lacks common sense. When you miss wait by a pound here a pound there? He had no commerce disciplined all the talent in world yet. The only thing I see Ryan Garcia is modeling. Pictures would show her. Nobody aligns the pockets and him in the gym game. Quick as hell beating beating the hell out of stuff at the gym and you know what I always thought even tangle will give him the given the Hands Ryan Garcia beat his ass in a year. Possible if we're if we're keeping it one hundred one guy who's working. The other guy is happy. Abby and a knucklehead that never plays out well and I mean there's other interesting listen things that you that you may or may not see. I've seen tank when he's not fighting. Just like you see Adrian Brodie when he's not fighting. Both those guys are really take care of their weight. They blow up like the agent and Brunner Gut is real thing like when he's not fighting he gained weight and then he struggled why he ended fighting out of his weight class because he couldn't get down to forty and thirty thirty five. You had to find a weight and you got cleaned out. Because that wasn't his way class devante is a guy who looks bigger when he's not fighting. Obviously some guys gain weight the best of the best that we've seen in boxing when you look at Floyd we look at tarrant Crawford. They don't they may gain weight naturally but they'll like roll up with the gut not a young age. They take care of themselves was a gym rat. He never got out of the gym. So thank you have to question the discipline in as you get rich some some guys are satisfied with being a certain level of rich. I got a couple of million cool. Like was never satisfied. He just kept going. You can't get distracted by the money that you have all the luxuries that you have now if you WANNA keep gainey them sooner or later I mean to. Didn't agent Bro. A cash. Iverson asking people for money recently. Get sad about the guys weird. He only finds once a year. He taught once a year since two thousand sixteen. I mean they're like two million dollar pay days but I'm sure they don't last law after pain. Everyone you gotta pay taxes like He. He might need a cash up because he's not active. No one wants to feed him people people he can beat anymore. That's that's his problem. He's he was a really good decide and he was great at that because he can take two or three fights be guys which he could still beat at like one forty and then get molly waft. No one's feeding him those guys anymore. PPC isn't feeding him. Those guys anymore. You're so now you look in tank obviously has more skilled in that but if he likes the discipline there's plenty of people with skill deal. Fema Lopez has skill and a belt. And he's not doing any of that shit. No Man you still around like that weight. Division is bonkers Devon. Haney is right there. Yeah there's no rest for tank I if if he thinks wchs that he can do all of this and juggling. It's it's not happening. 'cause it's a division where everyone is working. Everyone is young. Everyone's hungry and in a blink. He's not going to be horrible but in the ring. He can be Danny Garcia Blink. Where where you're the fourth North v Guy Looking up and again? I keep saying this would tank Davis like he's looked great but he has not been hitting the mouth one. Good time. I need to see them reacting. Jack haven't seen that yet. What happened? We found out Asia. And we found that out with my Donna. Donna Rick kind of beat his ass in Asia. We're going to stay in the fight. So we we was like ooh got heart. That's that's what we saw when he's asked me he won't stay in there or he's going to turn up one of the two happens tank. We haven't figured that out yet take his not being clocked by bye. Bye Top a big puncher yet. We haven't seen how you react to that yet. So when we talk about tanking how far you can go like. He's gotTa realize only scratching the surface you really. We haven't fought any body. You still got a long way to go and you overhear putting you know getting your biggest knockouts against baby. Mamas that net chief. That ain't it get those forms in the ring now. Yeah we'll see how he progresses after this but that that was a narrative from the week no one was expecting and that's the wrong way to steal headlines on a week where you're in a place where all eyes on you it's the super bowl bike the arguably arguably the dumbest place to do this shit. Not that there's anywhere that's good to yoke up you baby mom but this is a place where all eyes are on you. At a boxing event at the Super Bowl people are going to know who you are and he was an idiot in front of the world. So we'll see where he goes with that The other funny story I WANNA ask about because you might have a little bit of first hand knowledge. You know just straight out of Miami. It seems like there's there's a big stripper revolt in Miami draped people go down there. I didn't know this side of the I guess I didn't know this I worked at. BSO enough to cover a Lotta Shit. But but strippers travel so escorts. I there's many escort on my facebook that I happen to go to in high school with their now women of the night that caught flights this past weekend to go to Miami specifically to. I don't know participate participate in the world's oldest profession. Let's say that strippers were down there as well. There's a quality control party. I Guess Cardi B.'s. Like one of the people with On the label. Whatever they stripper party? I'll give you the name. It's the million dollar bowl. They're expecting a million dollars thrown in the air for these strippers estimates. have it around five hundred strippers. Participating in this video came out. I could barely call some of these women. Strippers they were doing. They weren't even working. I don't know what they were doing. It was a mild shiver at best and hoping to get money the throne on them and then there's other videos where people are sweeping up the money into their pants jeans and purses taking home and at the end of it all strippers are saying they left with one thousand one hundred dollars for the night. I don't feel bad for them. I I really don't like going and flying somewhere to strip for the super bowl a month. Five hundred other people. I say you get what you get and especially lazy strippers. But I have the worst strip club etiquette. What was the vibes like? I don't know if you partook in like you know going just taking out the scenery grab me some wings or something from a strip venue down there. But I'm sure you saw people walking around. What was it like down there even at the parties where people really trying to spend money or was it that? y'All I'm here with the weekend the fake flavors and the strippers got a point. There were people not don't any dollars in disturbance out there starving. Now hoping for a buddy pass to get home all right so I got a story to tell but I'm GonNa hold that. Oh I I didn't get taking any of the wildness. Believe this million dollar Bo was add. Live in my right. Was it live. Oh I will look at what venue it was at all right and live had to have the best marketing because the super bowl letter. The Roman numerals were live so the easiest thing should be printing money so I'm assuming assuming it was there but correct go ahead and look at them creamy but a friend of mine who longtime ago is the event coordinator live and so so. If that was their devante happened to be there after this baby mama incident. He was unpacking unpacking money to throw and it was like I've seen video this. It was insane. I didn't I didn't go. I was busy working. You like official Super Bowl media events which was like a bunch of lame journalists journalists some cool people but for the most part. You know it wasn't like wasn't super bowl right so but there was a hybrid in Miami because like when I had to go from the Convention Vegeta- center where all the radio super bowl activity was to like we're bleacher. report was which was like a win. Would wherever you could see. Actually actually you could smell it like between the strippers and the fate goal. Like you could spell it all on the air. Everybody was down there floss in and it which is a big mix up so I can only imagine what it was like with the royal rumble of strippers. Because some of y'all get tossed out. I saw a couple of. You'RE GONNA make it to the end some. Oh you had no business being there so I'm not mad at anybody who went down there hoping that we're going to get paid and left with eleven hundred dollars. Look eleven dollars is more than a lot of people left with the Miami. So that's what you get so you got someone you. It was expensive to hell to get there now storytime since partaking this. I'm going to tell you guys about Party that I went to where money was getting thrown around what my etiquette was so few years ago several years ago once a Memorial Day party in Vegas and with Wall Dang In a bunch of people von Miller was their Shar Lewis. was there a bunch of the people there. It was at like light. Or One of these clubs can't remember So has a table get a table. Come in the table now while Jerry user cheap for stereotypical purposes they don't like to really spend money but they haven't table earlier in the day. We I think they went Kendrick. Something like that can't remember. We all went out. Goes this club. And it's insane Suwalki in money's falling on us and I'm looking around and my wife is actually with which is crazy but with me my sister-in-law's with me mold videography from Jay z's lifetimes has had to be like six seven years ago. It was like when welding was an all star. That's how long it was and the party's going money's flying through and I'm looking at my wife lives looking at me and it was like money on the floor at our feet and she looks at me. She's like yellow. We suppose like just leave it here. And I'm like I don't know and like von Miller got the table behind us and he's throwing money like everywhere girls going nuts. All this stuff is happening like here. This goes act like you've been here before and she's not picking up the money so I'm sitting there and I'm like damn man like all my joe. Oh I mean I'm not broke but I'd be a fool like if you walk down the street and just see money on the phone you know. Pick it up because you gotTa Act like you've been here before fuck that so all standing there and this is the breaking point for me laws. Throwing money got a bottle his brothers there. My boy amp is there like would drink drinking a lot. So money's falling from the sky and they're like some pimp comes only so it was like he's like the windfall money there was like a five dollars billions on my shoulder and I'm standing there and look at it and I'm like what am I supposed to do this army now wall. Dang plus the five dollar bill off my shoulder looks me dead in the face and says get money my brother that was it from that point on all bets were off we scooped up when dog are. We came away that night we bow our rack. This is all thanks for blue all day if I see him again. I don't know if you remember. Who Does this regularly at the club? But yes the brother saw the five dollar bill. He put it off my shoulders. Get money my brother. Put it in his pocket and all bets were off from that point we you know we weren't like scrambling to get the money but if somebody like fell on you sweep boom boom get it. I sweet step on one hundred dollars you step on. Get that I'm like. I'm time shoes. I'm GonNa get you know one hundred up. We left the club at least Iraq at least at least Iraq. They have the worst strip club etiquette. And it's all well. Yeah but I don't care. Listen I am married with child. I am a grown man and I could give fuck with anybody else. Thinks about me picking up money. Because if he's doing if Blue Wall Dang is taking money off of my shoulder and putting it in his pocket say no after like eighty billion dollars worth of contracts this probably before those but still this is right around that deal with the Bulls before he got traded to my Miami or before he went to the Lakers. Whatever it happened but yeah so for me see what I see stuff like that and I see people like when I see stripper say only came away with eleven hundred dollars? You could have just picked the money that was feet at some point in the club instead of trying to act like you been there before now you act like stuck at the airport down trying to figure out. You won't get home so I guess they sweep it all up and then they got a split it for one hundred five ways. He's couldn't be me. There's no way he'll that if I work at a strip club and I'm a stripper and I'm stripping and all of this. Money is flying my way I went for somebody else scuba to give you my half. I'm getting Margaret. Now right now. Anything in this radius is mine. Try to take you. Don't we waiting tables we strip. I ain't no rules to this shit. Give me the money Behan now. Archaic does any Security Guard trying to take the money right if I was a stripper. My Song when I stripped would be biggies. GimMe the loot strip clubs at all. Not at all but that night if I'm a bad one I'm playing Gimme the loot and somebody in Tim's throw a bunch of money and I'll be like thank you. Transparency transparency drains all for taking the money from strippers. All right. Let's I don't throw money at strip clubs. I have have a firm. I throw five dollars all night policy so I go. I get five once I stay away from the stage so I'm not forced to throw money and occasionally girls doing something very very phenomenal on the poll. I will go up there and they won dollar on the stage and then sit back down knowing knowing. I can only do this five times all night. So you really gotTa Wow me. There's oftentimes and leave the club about two dollars pocket. Why because there? It wasn't five five girls worthy of getting a dollar that night so I I have strict plan. I don't get dances. No loud dances in the back. No boom boom rooms. None of that for me. I did that once on like my bachelor party. The first one and it was ridiculous. Yes I said the first one is you. You know multiple marriages but yeah I spent like four hundred four hundred dollars on a chick but to be fair she was like six one like to fifteen. Just just beautiful just but muscular not China muscular but Brazilian or something. She can take all that money. Oh she spent it well so since that day I don't throw money the strippers you know they come sit on your lap and like hey they converse I'm the master at talking to strippers out. We'll talk about Yo their life plan and all this stuff. We have interesting jobs. Obviously they always want to hear about our jobs house and then you look up forty five minutes later. Oh So do you WANNA dance. No no thank you. And then they're tight and they walk away because conversations isn't investment but I'm Kelly. I didn't know this about you. You're a you have a stripping whisper and you cheap that's all that's good as cheap as they come in the Strip club. Yeah for what for what I go to that is. Free dancing on me is free and at this point in twenty nine thousand nine hundred. I've seen twenty in one. Twenty two twenty twenty women irregular cubs have less on than women. Extra Strip clubs. So what are you providing me. And he damn showing getting money from me when there's fifty strippers in here and the four baddest women are behind the bar. Lar- The hell am I giving you money for. Why aren't they shake and ask like I'm very confused here so I can't justify spending my money money makes sense? I just really can't is just if I'm not getting the Best Bang for my buck. That's like bringing us into a steakhouse wearing ruth's this Chris and they're just you see the stakes. You smell the stakes. But they bring McDonald's Burgers to your table. What the Hell am I doing? I'M GONNA pay for McDonald's Burgers the steak is back there. You let me know when the steak comes to the table that Oh pay for they. Don't they're bartenders drink. My money's worth if I even spent money drinking and strip clubs. I'm a drink and I'll tip that because they're the ones who deserve it so yeah not spend money any extra clothes. It's nice to know that you pick up money strip clubs though we are to. This is why we don't go to strip clubs. We go around the world for fights. We're always hanging out. We have never gone to a strip club. Even Floyd Mayweather ratchet weeks. We've never been girls collection. I've been invited many times like no like why to be broke. I've done. I've done enough of them back in the day where I was just like I kind of do without out this like I'm not taking you home. What's the point if you catch me in the Strip club as because I'm eating that I might habitual bitch strip club food connoisseur Yeah some people aren't with that because like you know it's too close but because other things I'm I'm not wings or bomb anytime go to Atlanta Strip clubs all the time Vegas has legit legit steakhouses like Sapphire takeouts. Incredible and I usually get dessert chocolate cake. Chocolate cake orbit velvet. They have you the milk. Okay wait hold on. Oh Yeah you get. I understand like the Strip club affay but dessert dessert every time. A piece of cake milk on the rocks Milton Milk on the rocks executive order. Like what like yes. I want my milk on ice large urge glass piece of cake and just leave it here and I will. I will watch once again. I don't sit on stage and I will watch listen to good music and eat my food. Most most of money instrument Kogo Seafood. So I'm dead serious. I and so people are like refusing to strip clubs. I feel bad for those people. They Miss Quality. -ALITY TRAE IF we're in a strip club at I don't know about girls collection because ashes wildly expensive but if we go to the Strip club one time our wives have nothing to worry about. Because all we're doing is eating and we'll bring them back doggie bags. Yeah ain't doing listen. I mean it's a wins ain't bringing back not leaving the listening for me. There is in bar and I'm GonNa go beneath Edberg. Okay maybe some wings. I'm not ordering dessert. I'm not ordering the racks and I'm definitely not taking a meal from the Strip club home. That's all there's all on on Atlanta in Atlanta I've been chilling my by art in Atlanta. DIAGO see and hang out with all time. Her and her husband are hilarious. And you know they grew up in New York during like babble air all shit so now they're transplant down in Atlanta. But they still. They still have fun. They're so young and her and her husband bring back extra club food all the time they will order to go from the Strip club. Pick it up and bring it back to the crip in this very restaurant anywhere you wear in now. They got some fire case ideas at District Club College in Atlanta. I've seen this but okay exactly exactly you were down there i. I don't know what it is. It's delicious the best chefs in Atlanta in the Strip clubs. I guess they want see girls. Busted Wide Open while they cook. All right. It's logical listen this off the wheels roll it back. There were actual fights going on to Miami not between strippers for money or not between people trying to pick up money that the strippers quote unquote earned. The fights were happening in the ring. We had Jake Paul. Aw versus answering give which was the highlight of that show but since it's really not a true boxing match. We'll start with that one and Jake Paul like you said look good he learns himself from Shake Moseley and he did what his brother could not. He got the knockout and he was what impressed me was. He was the patient in chasing the knockout. The way he went about it was like Nah. This kid had some training. He wanted to big bear right. That's where Shane had them. And they we're training like he went through the steps of legit professional boxer. And through Osmosis something up rubbed off on him and need looked good in the ring. And I'm kind of interested in seeing him fight. KFI Next Yeah. That's nothing can happen. I mean Logan. Paul said it before that Jake is a better boxer. The ME and Logan wants to do. It doesn't mean we're not GONNA see Logan Paul boxing again nevertheless own. Yeah for artists purposes. Jake looked good. I it's not like he's a world class vice boxer but get was terrible on top of that the other thing give off his movements were so weird like he was up and down. It was very odd. It was looked like a Jim Carey myself in Irene. Yeah because I read what he'd just come in different level changes. That's how gift for like we. We kind of knew I mean I kind of figured that jigs being on Tuesday. It's on Tuesday night Tuesday afternoon. We did a face off Where we had give and Jake converse big Red Lauren chic moderated they went back and forth. And this is where things got kind of wiry so jake is used to be in the spotlight. Typical douchebag dude soccer. She's a knockout Out Give give clear. Looks out of his element like he looks like a Youtube Guy. But you know this real life seat about that life like so. Apparently earlier earlier in the day give was at the hotel gym in Jake. Paul's mom was there as well. This is very weird. J. Paul's mother ripcord give shadow-boxing since it's Jake and Jake shoots back. He's fucking terrible Bro and when he sees tells the same thing so as I say this. I'm interviewing Jake. In give standing it like with his crew. Which is Fidel? Which is case is trainer in everybody else's stand there and Jake Paul? Shame oldies over. There and Paul's mom done it somewhere in in their GIPP calls Paul's Mama Snake. Jake Paul hears this. He turns and he looks in my head. I go ocean. He's GonNa throw him off the roof. You've what he doesn't. What real quickly realizes? Jake Paul knows what it takes a promoter fight and he goes keep rolling. This is good. And he's like watching and Gabe like getting surrounded by Jake's team going back and forth and you could see like gibbs lips quivering and then for some I don't know I've never seen out of character before but shame was pissed so J. J. jumps up in a first of all shame. Look ridiculous here like code on in Miami. Ah Do you got a new girl. His exit took all his belts. No more he's got like a young batting and he is she also uh of Asian assistance. Black groom go really as I was like. Who is this decision? Like Bernard Hopkins as an assistant. You know so like Benard Susan. No this is like a girl. And she's like yelling. Give you outlined inch and gives us something to say like POPs up well like in and you know he smiles all the time but he was legitimately pissed and Jake is like. I've never seen this before. And he's like keep rolling and we're just rolling. I'm like Oh they're going to throw somebody off the roof and I was like this is good footage hopes amusing for this. Anyway this was. It was absolutely bananas but at that point I was like Jake is GonNa knock the skit out because he's not doing it it for like likes even though he does do flights but he's taking this boxing very seriously because he wants to win. Gap is just out of his element and it showed as soon as if I started. Give joy to resume Jake was calm. Poise hidden with like a check hook which he kept calling during our interview. Any knocked him out. So yeah they're gonNA HE'S GONNA fight case I if you don't WanNA watch too bad what's going to happen. Jake is actually pretty good for a guy who's never bought. Before I was entertained. The fight was dumb but I was entertained. I'm not saying about a lot of bumfights. Stefanos versus Forrest Griffin is widely recognized as one of the biggest fights. And you'll see in the one that brought into the mainstream. Why fight again? It's fucking terrible but it was. It's a fun fight like these guys are not strikers but they're just going to blows listen. People technique is not what sells fights like the biggest wars and boxing lackluster lackluster technique. They just like you look a Guy Ward. I'm not saying they're not skilled. Boxers but guiding ward was not like whitaker and Floyd Mayweather. Just wasn't it or Andre Reward. These two guys at broad. If these guys bro People are GonNa Watch swayed is it's happened but yeah that's that's that's what I say about that. Shane Mosely Moseley was about to throw hands. People often forget because again he is smiling. You know he's training. He's talking and singing the praises of Jake in these interviews. Clean up to the fight. I don't know give just thought like you know. He's just part of the crew mush or give recognized who he actually was like. Shame put hands on people. My men like real. We'll hands don't go there with him. He's not a youtuber. Like this guy did this. At a high level the highest for a long time thought he was a pound for pound king at one point but give also he was like. I don't really watch boxing. Now we were just all like Oh shit like you know. He's not one of the best with a a little smiling dude over there. Don't do it at all and the theme in which we're combining boxing MMA so we have another twenty minutes on this show this week and we'll get to it. Is that you sir. Were at the heart of a lot of these beasts out of the ring beefs in Miami. This week we will talk. You're the common denominator. Dre You bring you are bringing that energy. The the energy in and people wanted to start something. We'll talk about the other situation where we get to continue on with the fight. We touched on ten farmer lost his title. This is a guy who we thought should fight. Tank Davis right there beef. You get wrecked. Oh he would have got. He would've got molly. What tank missed out on that? Not that ten farmers like a huge name but it could have been that feud where he really really pertains on someone. I I was watching. I think Oscar de la Hoya vs Vargas the other day and that was one. Where de la Hoya like that? Fight sticks out to this day. 'CAUSE delahoya wanted to beat beat the hell out of it like on some real stuff that could have been tank and take what beat the hell out of him in the same fashion. We back like y'all Dan. That was a good fight so so he just didn't get there in time but farmer says he's coming back he looked off. There's a lot of blinking. His eyes weren't working right. It's he didn't make any exclusive excuses but it'll be interesting to see if something was actually wrong with him as time plays out now. It's Kinda who's having farmers you know. He has like a take. Take an appeals. Talk about his is all that stuff. The reality is like during fighter meetings we were sitting with seven and Assad getting this feeling tevin overlooking not as like we were talking about ten to thirty five and that's what the money fights are at and I was watching Joe Jr not old but Joe Dias vice vice. He didn't look all that great last. who fights but I went back to the Gary Russell fight and that s Joe Walsh Gary Russell Ten for anybody close to Gary Russell before Joel Cancio like Joe Dias has a pretty good resume and at a certain point I was like This is a real ass fight and and you know something that completely threw us all off and fighter meetings when he said Joe Joe's too small and Sergio more and I was like what like no dude like Joe does a big thirty. He's not small and from that point. I was like you know this is. This is a bad thing. He's not he's not expecting what do going to be the pressure him intelligently during the fights with them and then endured the cut of a lifetime like his his you know. Joe Joe's Cornerman has cut me and should have been given a world title is will cause managing that cut was unbelievable. It was split open. I think around two or three and where I was seated I was I could see it like it wasn't like TV. Like I looked and I was like Oh shit. His is has another I in from that point I was like they're going to stop the fight and they didn't his cut man managed it any which well rounds and somehow at points. It wasn't even bleeding. No it was just gaping like it was huge in gaping and allred you can see damn near to his skull but there was no blood. No it's still don't know how to have and that point like I'm watching Joe just pressure to heaven bringing the fights seven and it's kind of what happens when you allow guys be matched up relatively soft for a long time thinking he's a world leader now has to go back to the drawing board because he was there was a one fifteen thirteen scorecard gets. Forget ear I had it that I had nine rounds at three hundred years. It wasn't close. Does it was not close. Ideas ran roughshod over terrence in my humble opinion. And Yeah now you look at it. Has No reason to ever fights have informed it was a poor performance towards any loss. There's nothing there no unless Japan is just going to be a pay per view guy and you know he's just on one of Dell's middle pay per views where he doesn't WanNa face the best of the best every single time and ten moves up to one thirty five. It'd be a nice guy to beat up on. I mean got some work to do his work cut out for him when you get soundly. beat by Joe Dias like you got soundly beat genitals. He's good he's good it. was you know what the reality is. Ah We won't talk too much about Daniel losing because I mean it was a great fight against admittedly Gulf but Yeah I think can run that back. That was actually a close. It was just is a good fight. It was a really good fight. Danny remind just wasn't so I'd Evan. Haney was at our fight of meanings in because he called the The JIG fight but Devon ask them because Daniel want only had like six week training campuses coming off a shoulder surgeon devils like that's not a good idea and it turned out it wasn't like he lost but it wasn't a good weekend for Metro Eddie table because not only the farm news and now Danielle Roman laws but then Dimitrius Andrey didn't make his case any better for fighting a canola Alvarez resort triple gene because he let Luquillo hanging around way too long. Yeah but I mean. He ended up getting the job to like. I don't know I know it's I've seen worse fights by him. No I agree. But he's not entertaining but that this was his entertaining side. This was him trying to impress press. And there's a problem with that like listen. We know if Camello sees food eat. He's going to eat it but he's not gonNA play with food and he can he can brawl. I can do pretty much anything triple when he finds an opponent he's like adult feel like going around with this guy anymore. It doesn't look like he's trying he finishes guys that's what he does answering needed. A statement statement fight and Keeler was not a guy who's GonNa ever pose any threat to dimitris injury and instead Andrew Knoxville. With the first two punches he throws spends the rest the rest of the fight loading up power shot and just look sloppy. He just didn't look like he got the job done but he was supposed to get the job done. I guarantee you because it was like twelve twelve thirty in the morning in the East Coast and a certain point. People just started to tune out. Because he's not gonna like who wants to see Billy Joe Saunders next I know he wants it but I don't like I'm I'm just I think android is good. I think he's dangerous. I think he's like I don't want to say he's exactly like Andy. Laura was even the Lord now. These older stands in holds his ground and punches back but injuries. A Guy who's dangerous and it's not worth the risk for a lot of guys you just like you're not gonNA sell tickets. Might be a tough fight. I'm I'm GonNa fight you and that's what he is now. He's a world champion. It's just like the last ditch resort. If I want you to build a come get it. But I'm going to do with this guy. This guy this guy this guy and then maybe if you still ed title. Can those fighting sixty eight next like a foregone. Conclusion Triple A.. He might chase canola. Sixty eight union says. He won't have to figure out something. Something get Andrew to big fights. I just don't see it happening. This performance was not one where I left. It was like you know he made a statement. Didn't happen Yeah Billy Joe Saunders to me is the perfect guy to fight though because the only way for one of these guys to get a triple G or canola in order to garner enough interest to have those belts big at this point you have to have enough belts to make it worthwhile if not Andre it he never. He's never getting the fight if he can't get multiple Belton division he asked to but the the real fight to make if there was one fights make it sixty that would make sense for both parties if the offer came through. Is Charles Injury the unification bout. That's that's the only thing that makes sense to me at this point. You'RE NOT GONNA GET KAMILO knocking to get triple g probably not even gonNA defend your talent. Somebody like Derek Janko which I don't even know what he's ranked right now by the sanction about but Charles has a world title and he's really has nobody fight so pair them together winner gets unified. Yeah I mean that's a good idea. It's just so hard to talk you know. PBC into doing that when they're like you're not even even given this guy to your champions. They get so easy in house. So why are you giving them to us. Like you won't even use. Well see I don't want him. I think that the deal that you have to make us like all right. Cool Andrea again. You have to barter suicide Andrea Carlo. Like we'll loan Andrea to fight on Fox Fox to fight Carlo. Then you give us a guy to fight on zone like you have to. You have to make the trade off worth it because Charles wins. Charlie obese injury. He unify unify titles. And they can claim to say all right cool if you WANNA be undisputed this is where you gotta go. And I beat the world undefeated if Andrew Wins Saint thing because is like or if you WANNA unify undisputed at sixty you gotta go through me. It only helps both fighters because neither of them have anywhere to go. I think the only thing that makes sense Eddie heard this. He sent an offer letter to Charles and they turned it down. Don't know how true that is listening. Don't work eighty eight hundred. Eighty blows a lot of God. Damn smoke doc. I have no idea what's true and what's not. I have no clue but he says he did. Maybe you did but that fight should happen next. Charles nobody else to fight see. It's so weird. 'CAUSE Andre we'll go to fight charl on Fox but the smartest move is to pay enough to get Charl to fight on zoning have one of your your cool has dissolved tournaments and you get a undisputed champion. What eight months? I mean. Listen we we all saw the Super Six win those tournaments. It could be a Goddamn nightmare injuries. And everything else like. They could be the worst her whereabouts super series. It works when everybody's healthy and then you got like one guy it blows through everybody. Fine you end up unifying titles that makes sense to make sense but all of saying is android. He just didn't make a case for himself have to get the big fights. I like Boo Boo. I think he's he's a good dude. He's weird he's fun but that was that wasn't it that performance wasn't data. GotTa move on night. I agree. Let us move on and talk about. FEMA to wrap up the show We're going to preview. UFC Two forty seven which is coming up this weekend. But first we have to talk about you and your are aura of creating beef down to Miami and were you or were you not speaking to a mosque just minutes minutes before him and swan started really beefing. I just need this. I need this to be clear to the audience in. Yeah kind I mean okay so you go. So here's what you bring the beef around you. So here's what happened so Walking radio row doing interviews interview guerrillas destiny view some other people interviewed deonte wilder. I run Into Maskhadov standing outside spice booth where everybody's like getting beards done all kinds of stuff. I ruined the mass of. What's up did you remember me? I don't will not sure if he did or not. He's Oh man. I'm talking and I see as manager and I can't remember mentioning and I'm like Yo we're not offering any of course he's GonNa do. SPN who he's like. Can you do it while he's getting hair done. So we go in watch even getting this here very by WHO's covered. UFC you know. Who Black Davies Kale? you-know-who Black Davis Black. Elect Dave Watson and Dave Oh joyous up I was like nothing by master. He's like cool. I got UNLV JJ come in and Kinda Kinda like doesn't say he's like. Oh work okay. So mesler gets done. We do this interview. I ask mass with. Aw something along the lines. 'cause we talk about Camilla obviously on the zone like you know you WANNA fight. Canot says yeah they says I only want to do it for the money. Because I'm not an idiot which which is the first time I've ever heard anybody to say I want to try myself. I really will give it for the money so then he says I asked him. If you could find common a a KINETICO or use mine and they all paid exactly the same. Who would you choose? Masato doesn't think he's like Ou want to break his fucking face days. Okay well in my mind. I'm like well Shit. That's the next fight that's GONNA happen in the UFC. It's obvious like he really doesn't like this guy. But as he's saying this I notice Dave is leaving and he has a world title in his hand in like the little case in my hand like oh shit boozman coming so mustard all walks out. He's he's got his little liquor or whatever and he's doing I think he's interviewing some guy at ESPN. And I have to go. Because I think I got a fighter means as a walking out. I'm like Oh shit is use man I go I take the cab. We'd go to the ticket Wilbert Vitamin maybe twenty minutes later. I got an alert Moss. Would let's get into it a radio and I look at whether act and I'm like Yo I had to be like ten minutes after I left him so maybe he'd be like the ESPN interview and then that should happen. But I don't know what does amped up but she. Now that's the fighting sparked thought you sparked to start the beef it. He walked out and he was like look at this shit. Just speaking of you and Boston did the hands behind the back seat but John had a cast on. I guess off off gassed nearly still healing by interview him to he can't. He actually came to the Jake. Paul Fight Yup pieces in this crazy like I think I mean. It seems like Dana. In a way I believe said for International Fight Week. Yup that's a good fight to put on that card. It could hold the car down if you needed to or be one hell of a Komi now. I think it'll be the defend mass with all of his risk for the welterweight title the title. Maybe on the line as well. I don't know that's what they it was like the biggest fight last year so I wouldn't mess with all. This is just a bunch of people getting the Conor McGregor Rub. Of course it is but at the same time I think Maskhadov's become a star. I mean have connor nate decide to tango we'll units. That's the main to be clear is any car humane main event like yeah. There's there's no doubt about it but I think if you see you. Burn both fighters on an international fight week. Like you take Mass on Vegas O'Connor's Vegas but what I'm saying is I don't think you necessarily have to put them both on the same car because you learn another car and make double the money you put them on the same. It's like putting all your eggs in one basket. In in an era I pay the same price for one pay per view when you can put on it and mastered all here do moderately better than a lot of the other people's views and then pecan on another one with a trash trash on the car and get a booming pay per view. Why put them on the same car? I feel just burning at both ends. It doesn't make not not to go too in depth on the the structuring of ESPN. Pay Per views. Now it no longer matters is much to be honest. It's stuff quarterly. And a lot of it is based off of overall subscriptions driven to plus more than pay per views in terms of profit. Okay so I'm not gonNA pick you apart because I start. I'm just I'm just saying I cannot give too much weight so if if you get a massive boom in July which is what the third quarter beginning third quarter of the fiscal year. If you do you that in a massive boom they count as if you split. July and August separately e plus subscribers. Hold a lot of ways. Just say that. So yeah you theoretically up so you can stack cards or have shitty carts. And that's why I think as we move forward you will see the stacked cards or a big name once every three months and then you're wondering like you'll wise discard like who the hell's buying this pay-per-view like it doesn't hurt as much anymore. So you can see John. Jones do know like John. Jones did horrible numbers numbers this weekend. It doesn't matter they have the conyers. Connor numbers in this quarter already. You playing with house money for the next two pay per views like you're you're good so with that being said the inner workings of ESPN look Yeah so I think we can see those things where you see like your. We're just going to bowl the doors off I pay review and Steve and DC WANNA fight in August. And that's plus if you know Habib comes back in September and wants to fight it does good numbers you know. That's a plus awesome won't be September. No It'd be like October Ramadan and yeah yes so you you look at that and you start. Honestly you start strategically placing using connor around. You can do whatever the hell you want if he fights once in every quarter. You're you're good. You can make whatever you want and don't even matter about paying people or selling stuff so It's a better model for the that is lacking stars is harder that like once a month you got a crush type of model. So we'll see where MOSS WHO's Mon- and up usually. They stacked those cards anyway. So we'll see how that goes. Maybe we get an interim heavyweight title. It'll because I don't know how long Stephen could just not fight and then demanding to fight someone you haven't thought before it's so weird to me. Yeah I Adam so it's just weird demands starting about John Jones though. UFC Two forty-seven is this weekend. It is a full card. I wouldn't sates stat card. But he means but intriguing match-up many people think for John Jones at the top Let me see if there's anything on prelims to talk about No Jimmy Reverse Marlin Vera is actually a fighter interested in. Because I don't know where Jimmy varies right now as in terms of being a fighter like he was just you know at the top of that division and now it's like what's what is he got three losses in the matter of a year now rivers. That's not happening. Oh we got cancels it. Oh does he canceled well. I'll be I should pay attention to these notes. And then the opening the paper ucar Derek Lewis Versus Latifi. I like to think of his face blown off but so do I. That's that's the fun part like no I don't I don't need to be competitive to be fun now. You're lose loses at home. You'RE GONNA take somebody face. I saw an essay. Some wild shit. You know what I'm here for a back on the main card now. Whatever one atoms? The one atoms being placed on a main pay per view card like in the middle of the pay per view is so wild to me I feel like he just debuted. He did and he's lost back toback fights so this so it's Justin Tuffah really is going to have to look at but dude this white sox looks anyway so you have tougher winning that fight And I mean to be Farrell's becca quitting his okay to showcase Cinco in the CO main versus. Kate Lyn Lynn tangles going to knock her out. What first round? I'll give her second. I feel like being kind the second round knockouts UK GM is the number contender in that division and the gap between Sankoh and everybody else division is wide fair. This like I mean John. Jones is probably the most dominant champion period. As long as he's not running over pregnant women he's nobody can beat them. We look at light heavyweight. We'll talk about in a second. Nobody can beat them. Shevchenko the gap in talent is so ridiculously wide. It's fair so now we're looking at this. UK She's like she the one contender and I'm GonNa about supreme this win something. I tweeted earlier. Today is once I hear a fighter. Say notified anybody like me before. You'RE GONNA fucking lose because guess what there's nothing you can do that. Like listen Shevchenko fought a mandate new year's show checklist fall. Holly the home to check Nj. What El- you going to bring? It's like listen. You have two arms two legs in ahead. That's also takle Michael Niece and knock you out as long as you show what those things you're good you're like everybody else. I can't stand when fighters continue to say this like you look at. We'll talk about this fucking first of all. Sometimes it's GonNa estimator. I see maybe two rounds. It's going to get really ugly. So there's that John John's versus Dominic Reyes L.. Let's give me predicting the second but dominic race at the same damn thing on the countdown show and I was like have you looked at who. Oh Jerry Jones has fought like how do you say you never saw. Anybody liked me. Somebody who's like you might be out at the Smith. Somebody like us or better than you. There's shot Evans Jackson's show gun. Who a house and Augusta sin twice Daniel Cormet was arguably one of the best effort? Who who are like? I'm not saying raise can't win this fight but I'm saying the moment you say there's your only way to beat somebody for somebody like me before you don't get you ask it because he this was some reason you've come in here thinking that you have an attribute they John Jones has never seen what the best thing you can do is play your game. which is striking in hoping when you catch John Because John is the greatest striker that's it? There's nothing different here he's talking about. He's never fought athlete. Before Ove- incident was an athlete. John Jones won that fight. Everything the dominant grace is bringing to. The table is something that John is seen before. You just need to put together the perfect plan to win but to stop thinking like unique. He's seen the ship before. Believe me the fight that concerns me most in raises resume is the split decision. Win Versus Vulcan Ozdemir wasn't of Volkan could've arguably one that wasn't pretty fight and John Jones just straight the different class of athlete and fighter the vocals different class completely. DC wrecked him. John Jones beat. DC obviously Andy. Smith beat him as far as Ozdemir people hate MMA math but if you look at it it's you can't can't struggle with a guy like that and then say what you say about beating John Jones. It's it's a different realm of fighter and to me. Any racist good is not. He's not great. He's not gusts of sin he's dam sure not DC. So I don't know what he's going to bring to the table that's different unless he says I'm catching John at a better time. That then they caught John and and John is slipping man so which. I don't see that happening. John is just hitting his. MMA prime in my opinion which is scary so his a frightening thing about this Dominic Reyes at the press conference at the inaugural press conference for for the Fabian. Made was pissing John off with all the things he was saying. I think the worst thing you WANNA do John. Jones is upset Him. He's a different kind of beaks like John Jones. You gotta remember. He won the world title nine years ago. Nine nine nine so he seemed every intense. They're down he's been in heated rivalries Rashad Evans and Daniel Corby like. He's at the point now where it's just like like I guess. He's got to motivate himself and that's the thing you've gotta worry about the most is John. Is Isaac motivated for this right. Maybe maybe not I duNno says another guy should win but then dominic Reyes kept talking and talking and then John and the countdown shows go. I don't like guys like him because he thinks he's got it all thinks he's he thinks he's something special about to show him that he's not I was like oh he's fucked as soon as he said that so. It's wrap cause an angry John Jones or John Jones who's out to teach you a lesson because got certain guidelines thought. Did that with our guy. I'll never forget that arturo somebody small Blah Blah Blah. You've never seen anything like me. Inflow was like I'm going to beat the shit out and that was like really all floyd say. And then he went out there and beat the shit out of Arturo just approved proved the point and I think John Coming off his last performance and now he's in a race against some of the greatest enemy fighter ever which all he has to make sure he does stand trouble and doesn't lose doesn't sound like the easiest thing in the world but it's very possible because John is cleaned ally heavyweight and he may be eyeball and that move heavy. Finally so you look at a guy like raise he is and you're like wow he keeps talking shit like I play video games before with people that that kind of suck or may not be going. They don't say anything and I keeping a man game a close game or NBA Two K.. Gabe close game. This guy that comes over talking all that Shit and I'm like Oh make an example out of you and I blame the fuck out. That's what John is about to do to Dominic Reyes. I I don't think there's anything dominant greatest can do at a certain point with John's like gentle go you know what fuck this. I'm going to take you down and just elbow the shit out of you. That's what I think is gonNA happened. I think John's GonNa Murder Is. I don't think it's going to be pretty at all. This is going to be a moment. Where they're going to stand in? The John is gonNA throw all shop windows like I know I can get him on the ground in and murder him and that's what he's GonNa do. I agree. John probably finishes this and second round. If that it it might go one. I think as soon as races on his back John's going to teach them a lesson. Oh it's over the by sub would be nice. It's been awhile again. He ended Seattle senseless fight like John was kind of playing with food. Like that was one of those fights where he was like. Why is he still saying? They're striking because general likes to beat you at his own game at your own game. Whatever you do all right cool? DC thirty box and Blah Blah Blah. I'M GONNA take you down like John. Does that all the bad things we said about John's character goes out the window. When you talk about how good he isn't that Goddamn at the Octagon and I think he sees raises food and it's just like all right like undefended my title school but if I beat the hell out of you right now? I'm thinking about that heavyweight title. Oh I don't think he's wasting anytime. We're raised if he sees an opening he's going to take it. He's GonNa murder that kid. Yeah Yeah I agree I. It's great it's great to hype up a new name John Right. You need to create some tension. That's the job of the. UFC is to create. This doubt. But but I don't have it. I've seen enough John Jones to know that he's going to make this a another win on his belt and we'll see what he does next he's mentioned steep as name and steeping Ebay wants to stand by that. Oh I wanNA fight someone different. You know this is the guy who fight and ask you. Don't want to say no congrats for talking to yourself yourself. He worked himself into shoot is what he did. It's all bad and in two things will happen is going to happen. St Will Lose John Jones and the DC. We like Abbot of retire now. Because there's no need even go after John like I know you want it don't if John Murders steep and heavyweight and becomes champion it's over that means in DC might feel froggy and say. He has a better chance of heavyweight. He thinks but no I again if John Fight steeping in John Fights say he probably to twenty against Ebay and goes in there just kind of mows him down. That's it there was so many things telling the aerial interviewed. That weren't being said. There were all in John's facial expression they add Sonya stuff like I was like. Oh yeah he really doesn't give a fuck about SA. He kept calling him kid right but he wasn't calling okay because of the same age. He's calling him kid 'cause he was like you got here. I've been doing this for nine years being along the away like their level to this John's a completely different level I think is amazing but I think izzy that attitude bothered bothered me more than impressed me John Really. Yeah that's that's usually the tone people take when they create their worst enemy like that that degrading leading talking like. I think it doesn't show fear. It shows caution like he's purposely downplaying him and I think that's wrong. I think he sees someone that could be. I don't think this is where I think I think John has been there. Done that. Done cocaine one fights done everything you could possibly do run over like pregnant. Women like crash Bentley's with strippers. I think he's done everything possible. He's legitimately seen at all a assign you like. You're not a threat right now. So stop talking to me like I think if he goes in there and mows down. You'll Romero the John will be like okay. He may give him credit but right now Johnson just got here dude like real like why are we doing this. And there's again there's levels but I think John Hasn't seen enough of on you for him to say all right. He's a credible threat. Does he did really just get here. So it's kind of like it's kind of like you. You have to prove me wrong. Because that's the same attitude that like cowboy hat we connor like dude. You're going to get murdered at lightweight and kind of like I'm fucking show you. And then he went beat the shit out of everybody was like and then destroy cowboy but at that time before the Aldo fight nobody like people just like you gotta be him for as we saw about everybody else so. I think John is dismissive dismissive in that but if he sees outside your beat Romero who had lost two in a row which really doesn't matter but if you then beats work seen Pearl Casa then I think John Delight maybe but then again John will be at heavyweight worlds apart and wait. John is huge compared to decide. I highly doubt John Defensive Belt even want which bill heavy I would assume. He's dropping it so fast he's out back to a drop in. If you'll be non-fighting he is not fighting and Garnell. He's not fighting blades. He's not finding anyone who has two hundred and sixty five pounds. Five years fighting a guy at two thirty I think it'd be blitz but you're F- he fighting a guy at two thirty and there's no reason for blades to skip over and they make make that perfectly clear and Steve is the perfect opponent with the title at the perfect time. He's not fighting any true heavyweight 'cause they will come in at two one hundred sixty five two hundred and seventy pounds it on fight night two eighty and John will be to twenty and he's and he's not going to do it the I think John Anybody anybody except for maybe I think God's the only guy at the heavyweight division their job like man. Maybe I won't bite that guy. I think blades. Yeah if he if you beat me oats. She's like yeah. Fight him like what else no Sansoz come on like. Who can't John beat in the heavyweight division that you look if you beat steapy if he did it will be? It's difficult situations but if you beat sleepy why wouldn't you think you can beat anybody in that division champ and it's not like it's not like the champ steep is not like the champ who like just Kinda came about. It's not like Roy Jones Fighting John. Ruiz heavyweight rally John's trash steep aimed at one time was considered the greatest heavyweight of all time because he had the most title defenses in a row. You debate who be in God new. Yeah you could beat just about anybody. In God's the only guy that if if I'm John I look like maybe not him. I am not sure if you wanna take Derek Lewis Punch either. Even I don't think Derek Lewis can catch him tonight physically like I think he runs circles around Derek Lewis. But there's a lot of those guys as we take a one punch what according to Derek Lewis and it's over oh Cormie yes so. There's no way John Ego is going to look at these guys. It'd be like now. Notify in God's legitimately the only guy he'd have to transform his whole body and never go back to five. You think he asked what it would take. There's there's no challenges to five look into a five live a wasteland. Here's ladies everybody there. This isn't boxing Anderson Silver People said about Silvio and you went up to write like civil went up to two. Oh five like once once he came back but he never left until challenges presented themselves but people said silver cleared out the division state. I think John would stay but he goes up. Challenge right back down but guess what because there's a difference we can be king and be the greatest of all time. There's a there's a difference between Anderson Silva and John Jones John Jones again it has been he's one never lost a fight to the champion for he's been the of Emmy for nine years nine nine and this is something you think about it. That rain wasn't that long johns rent. Like this is ridiculous when you really think about uncharted territory this. There's nobody. Name another fighters going undefeated this long. With the exception of the queue and the no contest John has never been beat name another initiates not even a loss of my no one emmy enemies I built. This is a freak of nature. There's no other like innocent civil lawsuit of fine. He'll real tone in pride like he's lost. The he was the class he lost. John has never lost in for this length of time. It's unheard of in. MMA absolutely unheard. Heard of so. Yeah I think he. He looks like they're Lewis. Like first of all getting shot your ass Latifi to everybody else is food for John if if he can beat sleep comfortably doesn't he. I think he's fight defensive title this nothing for me tool five at all not much for him a heavyweight sides in Ghana anew knuckle sandwich life. It's not that deep so it's adding to your legacy that's it yeah. It's a dangerous place to to mess around but then again. DC DID it so yeah. It's very possible. We'll see how Jones performs this weekend and we confederacy book him a little bit more next week on the show. Thank you guys for listening to this. Show a little bit extended because we only have widens day of Friday this week due to our busy schedules last weekend next week. We'll be back to normal boxing on Mondays. MMA on Wednesday pro wrestling on Friday. So thank you guys for kind of moving moving and adjusting with us during this busy week but back to normal after this and look out for more announcements from our upcoming wrestling with stereotypes. Show that's going to be part of Wrestlemainia week down in Tampa shadow to C. W. at everyone for that opportunity. We're going to be having a blast if you guys don't have tickets already please. Take that out. Links are both of our pages and announcements of all of our guests are going to be made very soon so thank you guys also follow us on social media at Corner. podcast underscoring twitter. Danby him at Andres Hail until Friday we're out.

Miami Jake Jake Paul boxing Floyd Mayweather chiefs youtube Strip clubs Jake Paul Meek Miller soccer Joe Joe spotify Disney Tank Davis Dan Lewis Adrian Boehner Miami Meters Andrew Trade molly
Full Show (Seahawks/49ers recap, Cowboys' playoff chances, Kawhi Leonard, Jared Goff, Michael Rapaport joins the show)

Skip and Shannon: Undisputed

1:54:21 hr | 9 months ago

Full Show (Seahawks/49ers recap, Cowboys' playoff chances, Kawhi Leonard, Jared Goff, Michael Rapaport joins the show)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jerry Taft. This podcast is the full show from today's episode Soda undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. So Skip Shannon. Let's get to it this mutant we are live from La tapping seven year. Are you going to do. I'm back what would you feel if there today. The forty niners lost at home. The Eagles Eagles are about to lose at home to New England. Coming off a bye and Ohkawa last night he would just do the you know what I should have did that yesterday. How do I get I get next Monday? How about Them Lions case right now. Somebody nervous if staffer was playing good. Got You okay my play. He always wants to play against his hometown. We've got a packed show today. Are the cowboys. Playoff hopes ruined after their home. Lost the Vikings. You know it still feels good to say and are Lebron and the Lakers the clear title favorites but I will start with last night's Monday night football thriller ruler Slug Fest Between The seahawks and forty niners. The seahawks overcame an early ten point deficit. Jump Ahead Twenty one to ten in the third the niners niners would answer by tying the game with one second left then with a chance to win with a touchdown in overtime Russell. Wilson threw his second pick of the season at the San Francisco. Four Yard. Line the niners rookie. Kicker Shays McLaughlin had a forty seven yard field goal attempt for the win go wide left. Ultimately Ali Russ would lead the seahawks down to kick the game winning field goal as time expired after the game. Ross said it was quote the craziest game. I have ever been a a part of so Shannon. How much last night help Russell Wilson's VP chance? I believe increased his lead slightly skill. He just took down eight not on the road and and you look at. It skipped the way he make plays. Yes he can run the car yummy scared they call plays and yeah. That's fine and good and a lot of guys can make plays. He's most dangerous once. Does he gets off script and his ability to run the football if get wise last night where they they. They blew the whistle. That's how close the giants came from not winning Super Bowl because they could have easily blown the whistle when they had allied manning in the grass. He loves so you're saying Brady deserved another. No I'm just saying Oh he got robbed at uh but I'm just saying that they blew that dead and guess what happened. Rust in his great improvisational skills bailed them out again. Kim In large part of the game in the second half what I lock it his best receiver he has a great rapport with lock. It he did it with I lock. It was. What's the most amazing part about this? You know skipped tells us all the time that he ca- Tom Brady. Is doing this thing. Where guys from Dorchester? Russell Wilson is doing it with the two guys hollows during Gordon that got released by the Patriots and Russell. Wilson took that show on the road to the new with Dahlie know what their stadium is called leave. I don't leave Apple dungarees called dungarees. You don't just kill that's the way before however you would you leave is yeah denied some from Australia's Geez. Okay that would in this hour. We didn't have the main brand. They they call him dungarees. Did you read going on in the field but anyway skill in one score games with the rubber needs to meet the road the road. That's when you tell a lot about the quarterback seventy-one Gore Games twenty one touchdowns. One I make the League and touchdown passes give I'm not saying he opened an insurmountable lead. This is a excuse me an insurmountable lead. This is not Joe Boroughs off the National Book Borough for the National for the heisman. He doesn't have that type I believe but he's out front and I don't think he did anything to to diminish that because he did win the game. He did beat previously undefeated team on the road and he deserves Kudos for that You know I'm going to say it again. I gotta get a new TV TV. Or I gotta get me some of those Shea. Sharp glass h have like twenty twenty five rather than Russell Wilson. Let Me Glass I. I definitely need glasses then. You know what I gotTa get me some those brownies. You Cook up because Oh brownies ingredients. Is They make allusions on your TV. Right why gay await us. Did you gave them a panic. And I saw very different game. I saw Russell Wilson struggle much of the night. I saw Russell Wilson John Throw for a grand total of one hundred and fifty five yards in regulation St- in regulation if my quarterback Dak Prescott threw for one fifty five. I would never hear the end of that. I saw Russell Wilson with twelve minutes left in the fourth quarter. Get the ball just taken right away from him before he even was pulled into the ground it just got wrenched away stripped his lineman had it for a second and then all of a sudden. It's loose again. Scoop and score and a twenty one to ten Seattle game suddenly was twenty one to eighteen so he allowed San Francisco right back in that game. Then I saw Russell Wilson on the first drive of the overtime get it all the way down to the fourteen yard line and throw a completely inexcusable awful shocking red zone interception under under throw to one Jacob Hollister that was picked off and returned forty seven yards. Set up a forty seven yard San Francisco field goal by the substitute kicker. And your guy. Russell Wilson was very lucky that one he duck hooked t just absolutely snap Hook dip or we might be having a conversation right now and I'm very happy as a cowboy fan that he did snap book that so I saw Russell Wilson have a grand total. QBR Of forty forty one last night scale of zero to one hundred and fall down the rankings to third just barely above just barely above an oncoming Lamar Jackson's the third and fourth now in Vr so my takeaway from last night was Lamar. Jackson surged ahead in the MVP race. And I'm going to remind you are. Jackson has already gone to Seattle out. dueled Russell Wilson head to head in his his house with a QBR seventy five to sixty five and they won that game the Baltimore. Ravens did a thirty two sixteen and in that game speaking run with the Football Lamar went fourteen times for one hundred sixteen yards on the ground. That's extraordinary so russell is more of a scrambling quarterback but Lamar lamarque and beat you with his legs on called plays and when I add all that up. I'm sorry I I just saw Lamar out play Tom. Brady and outwit bill. Bela Schick in his house in Baltimore. So grand total of Lamar is pulling pulling away to me and the MVP race. I'm sorry I didn't see Russel Wilson do anything last night but get lucky. He was playing against a Jimmy G.. You want to see that Jimmy G.. Bill Bill's watching bill bill check. You want that Jimmy G.. We saw last night being the next Tom Brady for you get that have been a mistake. That was that was all my concerns. Earns with him is that he the terminal machine he is it what happens is that when someone touches him. The ball comes out. Okay see he. lets the Lincoln to the ball game with that. Foam Cooper scored by a cloudy. He threw another horrible pick. He fumbled again if his turnovers that will cause his team reaching their ultimate goal. But here's the things you okay you look at both teams have two losses. Be Ravens of Loft lost out in the chiefs Seattle loss to the saints and the Ravens but one team went on the role. Beat a team. The other team with at home eighty no team okay now. Obviously win-loss plays a role in it but it does come down. This is a stack war now. Now this is a stat award look at the stats. What are the stat till you you tell me now? One guy had the highest completion percentage one guy had the Howard. QBR Yard for a temp male and more touchdowns in ascension. I'm confused here really. Yes I'm confused Russell. Wilson's lost twice at home and guess who the loss was to Lamar Jackson won. You lost a teddy bridgewater in Teddy's start in place of to score was thirty three to fourteen. Visiting visiting team with three minutes left in that game helped me out. You like worse loves Diluvian. The SAM darnold but we're not talking about that skill at all. We're not talking about okay. That all you got to ask. Every time he gets back to new corner you just flail and say what about the cowboys skill. They're not involved discussion. So what am I. What am I supposed to do with eight and two? I gotTa has twenty three touchdowns two interception would how can you be are how complete. What is your test? Tell you over. The last three weeks scare the guests. Do you do what he's doing it with do you. See what Russell's doing this. Oh always Russel's biggest test of the year so far it was last night. Did you see then it. Did he pass the test for one. Hundred and fifty five in regulation although like that. Yeah okay by the way you said they did lose Tyler Lockett and they did yes. Yes who is Garoppolo playing without. He didn't say it'll to start manufacturing Emmanuel Sanders was gone fairly quickly in that game. So all of a sudden you can argue. He had to receive two key. Receivers gone but skip at the end of the day. Seattle is still a run based team and they ran the ball. They're run base then. Russell can't really be the. MVP Okay so on a run based team he leads. The League and touchdown passes explain that to me. Well how do you explain it. The base no no no. That's a pass based team and you always tell me about empty stats go look at how many empty stats. He put up when they were down. Thirty three to fourteen against New Orleans. I'm not asking never really got back into the game. But he threw like crazy in the last all of a sudden empty stats means something. Well yes we always always tell your argument on you but this hold on. We're not arguing about that. And you see what I'm saying. Ginny Ginny argue argued argued about who didn't clean up the kitchen. You talk about the yard. Need raking talking about something you like you tell me. Let's stick to the topic at hand. Russell Wilson his team to He took down the previously unbeaten on the road. He has twenty three touchdowns two interceptions actions his QBR is third. His completion presented yard for Tim. Okay I don't really know what else you want him to do. Well I would like for him to beat Lamar head to ahead at home. Did he do that no he failed. I would like for him to even at home outduel. Tom Brady and outwit bill. Bill check did he do that. Ah Hone Lamar lose. Head to head the Baker Mayfield. Who has the thirty first? QBR And all the football. Did he do that at home. Hey I'll take that above losing to Teddy Bridgewater at home in his first art huge if that was his first started his career or I could've swore he led the team to a division title. Okay with eleven and five floor dart for drew brees on the road at the place. You can't win. Oh so you're thirty three to four minutes Teddy Bridgewater do in his second start. Well that's not the point. Okay topic off topic but ski. Oh does that make you what you're trying to do is that you try so all up so I I just need to know how we're GONNA see how moving forward in his second start. He managed four field goals. Twelve points total so he scored thirty three at Seattle. Well and then he's at home. He scored four field goals process of scoring the free or field goals. Did his team win or lose. They won okay back. Act Vince Gill. Dj Can we play this record. Little Rock in here for and you can watch what he does. This is Russell Wilson absolute absolute best right. So did you Judah quick. Release thank you. I know we got to go right here. This hollister. We're GONNA skip you. You can't see this nice little. Oh look at this look at this we got another one third of sixteen. That's the Hollister Nice Kit by time. Three touched this tournament. WHOA WHOA WHOA? WHOA WHOA WHOA skip? That's thirty to sixteen thirty sixteen. Yeah I saw that about seven times on sixteen zero nine. He came to my restaurant. Roze bypass rusty. I see a few close. The Year Brag for you. Yeah right there and why to this look at this. Yeah that was a big play. I'll be playing. That was a big third down to one scale because at the end of the day what we try to do you can do all these tasks and guide number one. QBR and he has the number one air. There's there's a need Yadda Yadda Yadda I just need to know. When I opened my restaurant do you want to colder but what I would like the double uh-huh on myself go to your restaurant? I'm GONNA eat at a higher quality place than yours. Yours is low row. Hey you cook up those brownies for Dessert Hoti on the deck special medic flop Blah so DJ. Could we drop a couple call one another track please. On that happened with twelve twelve left in the football games and Seattle in total command of this game up twenty one the tin and here's the quote unquote. MVP According to Shannon Sharpe. Wait a minute. I'll just took them all right away from him. Then his lyman cook carried it and then all of a sudden First of all why hold onto the ball. Excuse if you're the let the home team back in the game all of a sudden it's it's twenty one day T- football again. It was almost over and then that happened. I did not to diminish telling me Lamar Jiang Attorney football all over this year. That was a crucial turnover that allowed the home team. What about the? I'm not finished. Dj Drop the next. This is the first drive of overtime and one Jacob aac of Hollister from late of the New England patriots. Oh overtime here we go. What a terrible under throat or Jacob holiday not a great play Salaam rookie rookie kids named trae? Somebody trae Greenwald or somebody picks it off and runs it back. Forty seven yards ars. was that not a terrible under. Throw that not a cardinal sin zone interception. We're not GONNA defend that. That could have been the mistake of the year. Yeah well I don't know where I would have been here. I don't know what should have been all I know is outcome dot com okay. What was the outcome? The outcome was that some substitute institute walk on kicker that they hired off the street named Chase mcglaughlin had the same field goal. He just made going the same direction when he had made it. The game centered over time and he absolutely snapped hooked it. It never even sniff the uprights because basically what he is. What what I'm might have been able to pull that off my mind APP? Looks like you tried to over kicking. Well I'd say the one in regulations now is ruth. No no just right down the middle but all of a sudden it's overtime and the magnitude sank in wait a second. I'm on Monday night. Football and this is do or died. How many times have we seen this in Gaul Agai? Here's a shot right down the middle of the fairway into sudden death and they go back to that same team all of a sudden. What did he do skill? One way or the other is not in the air wing. This is what happened with that skill and sometimes you have to get out to get lookie and but how many guys could have done that. What you think? You'RE GONNA win a move. Yeah thank you thank you move and then I went there not very many guys that can ride that wave of Russell road it like you them in a big north where they gotta told you to. Okay you know what just that interception in the red zone in overtime alone disqualified him from the skippers this week. He's is GonNa can't make that if Dak Prescott had thrown that ball. I wouldn't hear about for the next three years on here. I remember Green Bay. He told Enzo lows. We Talk Green Bay packers. Were down thirty one three and he threw picking is he tried to Randall. COBB that one we didn't throw it in the north in the middle. No he got a call back because it was what they call illegal rough in the past. What's up and has and then it didn't count wouldn't know what you're talking about? Well we wanted we wanted you San Francisco shoot a one very happy. They didn't win the so. Here's the thing what you don't be able to realize him. It does not matter what they do. One team is coming up. We're GONNA talk about this one team. It's coming out of the east and guess what Minnesota's already beat you guys. Minnesota's already beaten philly talking about the forty niners right now and get home because they beat themselves at home that might be true but at the end of the day record skip their three games. Clear you guys you Seattle is three games cleared you guys so it does not matter you catch. Catch them unless you win the division which you won't you're not going to the playoff which you won't okay. I'm talking about the forty niners with Jimmy. Jimmy Garoppolo at quarterback which again this is the guy that two years ago Bill Belichick hand picked and chose to be the successor to Tom. Brady it two years ago at the trade deadline. What happened? He wanted to force Jimmy Right into the starting lineup by the end of that year. Going into the next. Yeah right yes. Yes and Robert Kraft said no grading so he basically gave him to San Francisco for a second but but the point is is he the answer. Is that how far can you go. Go with Jimmy Garoppolo for you. You can't go deep into the playoffs Jimmy G. because he's a liability. Okay I ball over two months and by the way could we see what happened early. Sorry late and regulation. Shouldn't Jimmy Garoppolo because on that last drive. The tying field goal drive. Can we see. Here's the first throw on the first play of that drive. That should have been Jay. Wright he hits ride the breadbasket didn't he k.. J. Don't you have to catch that ball. Okay you completely misplaced catch. You'd be offense and here's the second one woops. Well he got to put that in front of me lead lead that not a panic as well. Okay so the game could have ended and on either of those places but instead he kept himself together they kept themselves together and they drove down for the tying field. But that's Jimmy G. to me and again he's played enough football with enough starts including the ones. He got in place of Tom Brady that he probably should be beyond that kind of play in a big stage game but he played well against Arizona on the Thursday night what he should be beyond those turnover because he let them back into the game they were dominating this game gain it was his fumble scoop score by debut and clowning. It was his pick it with this. Another another fumble that led Seattle back in the gate and put them in a commanding position but with that being saying they they take the ball away from Russell may get themselves back into the ball game. But they're not very many quarterbacks. That could have had that happen. Happened to them. Knowing that I form of football gave them a scoop on scooping scored through her intercession overtime. That we're in field goal range then could win the game okay. I still have the MOXIE. Still have the you know. What the turtle shells skiing? Nothing fazes me. Nothing bothers me still put his team in field position and to win that game. Okay and my final point is what happened in a playoff game at Gerry world. Last year Russell Wilson Versus Dak Prescott. Who won that game helped me out talking about? They were not no. I don't know that's just the last time I saw him. On the biggest stage he was against Dak Prescott and he got outplayed. Any took the L. A.. When you get onto I saw Russell Wilson you to go to the super bowl year three go back to the Super Bowl so we make it here in the legion Among don't do that Kim Interesting you you see what you try to give but you do. You saw that last time. You saw Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott head to head. But did you see Z rump. Or Book Thirty Seven. You see that because I saw it. who play the season three and the cowboys have lost four of their the last six games and are currently tied with the eagles atop the NFC east following the home loss to the Vikings Jerry? Jones said quote. We'll have to pay for this one. Hopefully hopefully it won't be terminal. Jury also said that he knows it. Philadelphia is coming so skip heavy given up on the cowboys making in the play offs. I have not given US shoot. The Dallas cowboys are still in first first place not that not we still in first tiebreaker goes to the team that crush to the other team by team crushed the eagles. Your Eagles really. My team is a four and a half point favorite at Detroit this coming Sunday and your team. The Eagles is a three and a half point dog at home to New England. Coming off the bye week New England right we coming up about two. I don't even think that matter this advantage to you so a yesterday. I was the first to admit my team is in trouble. I no longer love their playoff chances because clearly the remaining schedule all favors the eagles. There's this far easier than the Dallas cowboys remaining schedule. And I was the first to admit yesterday. I- overrated my defense dance which cannot stop the run it cannot consistently rush the passer and it cannot force timely turnovers it doesn't force any turnovers but let alone timely and that defense all too often just comes out flat in the first quarter without fire without urgency without without focus. I don't know why I blame Jason Garrett but it consistently happens and I may overrated what to expect from my my running game because way overrated Ezekiel Elliott. Who just is not himself anymore? He's lost his burst. He's lost his breakaway speed lead. He's lost his ability to make you miss at all. He's lost his nuclear capability and his ofensive line. All too often gets its overpaid. Tales whipped at the line of scrimmage so all that is negative negative negative. But I still got a quarterback and he's a top ten quarterback stop saying that he's got a top one connection with a wide receiver who is a top ten receiver in Amari Cooper okay. They have an extraordinary ordinary rapport and wave link. And when I have that I've got a shot which brings me to the. NFC what did we see. Last night we saw the undefeated forty niners lose at home. I look back at the end of the night and looked at the vast expanse of the NFC and it's still wide open. What have we seen so far? Mr Sharp we saw San Francisco lose at home to Seattle as we just talked about in. The previous topic has lost at home twice to Lamar Jackson but also to Teddy Bridgewater who was up thirty three to fourteen with three minutes left in that game just two weeks ago. We saw Green Bay a team. You love with Aaron Rogers at quarterback get demolished at chargers twenty six to eleven eleven. How'd you score just eleven? I Dunno it just sounds weird to me. If have a more than ten and by the way Green Bay lost at home to the Eagles which brings me to the saints they just lost it home to Atlanta Atlanta Twenty six to nine. It wasn't even close this twenty six to nine Atlanta terrorized drew brees in his house. Just it is which brings me to the Vikings they lost at Chicago sixteen to six and they lost a map more at Kansas City. They played really well on Sunday night in Dallas but again if the fate intervened if Dallas gets to play Minnesota I know it's a billion to one shot but if Dallas gets to play Minnesota in the playoffs seriously from my heart from my soul. So would I be afraid of MINNESOTA. I would not be afraid and I believe my team would've won that game. If on second to at the eleven they had said let Dak throw it to a receiver or tied in on second third and fourth down. We would've won that game so that brings me to my Dallas else cowboys. What are they have remaining? They have to really hard. I got two games in a row on the road so they go at new troy loss and at New England. I believe they can win it. Detroit so guess what. Here's the last five games. So that schedule they get the bills at home on Thanksgiving. I believe they can win that game at Chicago. I believe they can win that game. I wasn't sure before the year but I believe now they can the rams com to Jerry world. We owe the rams for the play offs also five and four to the rams. Look invincible to you. You don't know but I think we could win that game. We always play well at Philadelphia. Always we won their last year. We've won there a bunch of times in the historical past so my team does not fear playing at Philadelphia and I would I would like I wouldn't love but I like my chances there and then the Redskins have to come to Jerry world to close it out. Now you're scheduled to close is pretty easy after the first two games with the I to New England or home in Seattle at home. I'm not sure those are exactly in win. Lose both those what we win. Both I'll take New England for three cases right right now. You do it the way we gotta do Friday okay off but again if you happen to lose those two games and you just told me Russell Wilson the MVP I kind of like the MVP but then to close it gets really easy because it's at Miami. And then they get the giants silence twice obvious home at Washington. There's that little game stuck second to last against Dallas but my point is that schedule is far easier enlists yes. They lost their first two games. And don't let my team win at Detroit and then lose it New England and then finished with five straight wins because that would add to eleven and five. That would lead the way. I got you. If you lose the next two you'RE GONNA finish ten and six so That would be interesting. What's that mean? One of those two teams. Oh Oh that'd mean Dallas gets in the first of all you're not going to get nothing has changed in my mind because I told you at the beginning of the season. You guys were not going to make the playoffs. You said. That's the most outlet is that might be the most foolish thing you said this. We've been on this show you. That's what you told me. I did look fo- food. Nope he over if I remember last year my three and five and you were just who you see is what happened to you. This is what what happened to you and Cowboy Cowboys Fan. We were three and five last year. At least Bisher we're five and four Last year was last year. This is this year you know. What's the here's the problem? I don't there. There are two things that don't trust but the cowboys that Prescott and the coaching staff because there have been six games in which you've scored three points or less in the first quarter you to enforce those games and you know who those winds come get the giants in Washington one of the likelihood likelihood they play make the playoffs now very good. I think you're right. Yup overbuilt everything. Cry Okay perfect already. I start crying I got I have a bit is over here. Kreil fiscal I got my own. Let's get hurt. You know why it's GonNa hurt because it started out with so much. Promise ooh start a new relationship you everyday with the person you go to the movies or taking trips around the world and all of a sudden one of the parties you know what I got to stop and get off the train. You did that to be crying and that what happened to you. Oh Yeah there were three hundred zero. You speak from experience. Nothing I'm thinking digital. Paolo will be the CATBIRD. So you sell your speaking from the heart of now dare you. Do that took you around the world. They already Ooh jeter took him in and out of like go around the world out. Nowhere to get you know what I learned is I learned skip because I told you I said there are two teams coming out of the North Two teams coming out of the UAE. Greens will only one team Herat. You're so right. Eagles okay why he goes by the by came at a perfect time. 'cause you go get Jason Peters Health Brooke you signed a contract yet. Achilles heel netted him expecting them. Imagine biff point and he came back early so I let you know what Jordan Mathews can't play anywhere else but in Philly really heavy great rapport will walk okay to now. Why is he gonNA be on Sunday? Well I know where he could play in college at Vanderbilt University that pro pipeline that Vanderbilt. There it is again. There's another bandy. The kid this is what we know about the cowboys they are the greatest of all the professional sports teams. The are the greatest front runners all of pro school. Yeah because you saw what they did against Philli. Their job is to a fourteen nothing lead and all of a sudden walking around and prancing Jenny like a mule with had on. Don't worry about it. Yeah you bet so you can imagine that would have sounded like 'cause I've seen him Ulan ahead what they did last year. You call that front running when you go from three and five to the division title front running. That's like running coming from behind. Listen to what I'm saying. When they get the lead you saw what they did against the Eagles lose jump out fourteen guy doing handstands and indeed where Robert Robert Quinn? He ride the Rodeo. He Indeed Law Wolf on a how and all that who won that game. What I hold on what I see? Sunday is the nobody riding the cowboy general here. No genuine all I heard was Paul Nicole. Where have all the cowboys go you? Let's go girls get over over for you told you from day one and it's going to hurt even more because got started with so much promise but I told you you plan you write really not very good to yell not just just a bunch of junk we play early on a bunch of I agree you got over. And are they going to throw the pride. They had a bye week. Did they We don't little ticker tape. Nope don't worry about what we got going on. You worry about your team. I if I were you. I'd be worried about your team from this coming Sunday because here come Brady and Belle man win win. How many cases all I do is win win Matt? A while many to I'll I'll you WANNA be do one New England about alphabetized. Goodbye been busted you up you up lately and by the way have you already just jumped right off the Russell Wilson Bandwagon. 'cause you just anointed him to open this show you don't think he can win Philly Hodel come on just one. It's San Francisco. That's not what degree of difficulty at San Francisco or at and the Philadelphia lost at home to Detroit in the Philadelphia lost lost at Atlanta in Philadelphia got dominated at Dallas in all of the in all of those losses nothing is more crushing than lose until the jets You are right and I completely agree. It's over says you says you'll scheduled the schedule. Says it's just just getting started on the right. We come to buy. We Got England. Seattle win win game winning. Show me invincible in the NFC. Mr Sharp show me one team where you say nobody can can beat that team. Show me once. I'll tell you what I can do. Your team is not gonNa make the playoffs. No Gabor okay. Show me to show me show me. Invincible helped let me out. I just go down the list. Green Bay Excu made her solo. YOU HAVEN'T CISCO SEATTLE. Give me one New Orleans. There's no such. I'm looking for invincible. Insult looking for game over. Okay Hello Show me an invisible team in. AFC Catholic the cowboys don't play. That's my point there is no invincibility and the NFL. The team's GonNa Give Him Sunday. Anything can happen all given Monday or Thursday. Whenever they play anything can happen but I feel very comfortable from where I'm standing in the catbird seat you are? I agree in it. Ain't over over for you. Okay let me try to try to get one of them for five six seven seven games left game five to seven out of sixteen. That's out beggar. We're going to be six one. Seven Games seven hundred sixty one. I'll bet you I'll bet you ten cases you won't be seven or now strictly would you take it. Put I tell you what we know. So for seven case note seven six five will win the war you want you want another three cases and we win the division guys. Don't know you're in the catbird you Adele where your mouth is trying to figure from New England and Seattle. You've got the guy with the number one thing. We are New England and Seattle. The I'll bet you ten cases you don't go to those games months. We have some guts courage of you're going to pick this up all your trash talk talking talking big and bad back it up and walk into him back it is. You're still running skiing or no. No no I'm thinking after next week not this week after after next week we'll be in the front you'll be okay. Get Your Luck. I like my position right. I like the underdog I had a two-game League team game. Li I was three and five quarterback said watch such joy the cowboy Albouy struggles all right. Everybody does I. Don't take pleasure that stop you. Listen first of all you crosby. Christmas ornaments. Don't take pride eligible for a Christmas or no. You can't be Christmas ornaments. I will get big. Go Up to my big ones. This be what I get nothing from the cowboys sand on holiday gifts where you get nothing now. Either 'cause about giving up while letter struggled in his first game against his former team that he won a championship hip with Kawhi managed a twelve point. Eleven rebound double double but only shot to eleven from the field and turn the Paul over nine Lou. Williams lead all scores in the game with twenty one off the bench and the Clippers won ninety eight to eighty eight said that as soon as he crashed half court. The raptors quote tried to get the ball out of my hands normally out work Shannon letter grade. Yeah you know what I'm saying that you know what you're laughing because you have so much talk about so much talk about your hold up the stats sheet yesterday boy. God don't like ugly. Pretty how would you. We got older. I started understanding. You see how you beat up on. The Brown need load management. He looked tired art. How how you got a little not trying to figure out? How do the ball came to him yesterday? Say Damn you took the day off today before you look worse than when you came in. That was go up. Hold on give I know. Good Wail Kuwa- Leonard. Oh what was quite. Let me get quiet. Numbers Choir ahead. Hey a twelve point nine assists in lever rebound right yeah turnovers. I told you opened up a bakery so you will hear Friday June be opened up. A bakery is hard for pastry than bakeries to make it in California because so many people who've Biegel. They won't salad they won't. They won't good eats they. Won't you know a sweet green degree. They will be like that so open a bakery at Har but because he only had three plate with though the days get yet apple cherry blackberry now. He got rhubarb now. He got a lot of play with a group. I know he loved him. Brian jay-paul always going to thirteen poets. Hold my beer could do you bill. I scored less than that whole the best player on the planet. I'm trying to figure out. Can someone find out the last time. Lebron James Played on the game in which the bitch outscored the starters in which he played at at least thirty minutes thirty five minutes and the bit outscored them Interesting of Gordon. Fifty six to forty according to win the best player on the planet and combing overload. Man Really Oh he not coming off load management. He just played a game look stopping he plays he plays game he game he missed a game. You play a game but all I'm asking you he has yet to have a triple double these. I'm going to do one better. I'm GonNa give me a whole quad audible with it wasn't the one he wanted. And he didn't have. That accumulated one quad global. He didn't have that our Roberson. That berm turnover Daniel Tani when it's my turn because I'm getting bored but you know what I'm GonNa Give Jessica Yu Y.. Yeah he could live and get him d You're giving Him D. as in dog okay. Big Beat my turn. Yes thank you very much before. I give my letter grade to my man Leonard. I would like to point out that the Lakers would to healthy superstars on Sunday evening at Staples Lost Toronto by nine points in and gave up one hundred thirteen defending champ writers lost by nine and gave up one hundred thirty. Yes last night the clippers at staples without Paul George their other first star right. There are other superstar beat Toronto by ten points again in the same building Abel's while holding the raptors to eighty eighty eight points so the Raptors scored twenty five more points in staples the Lakers than they did the following night against the clippers clipper and these are the same Lakers that I've been hearing from across the Table The defensive team at basketball now the Lakers one thirteen versus eighty eighty eight. Yeah something's wrong with that picture. What is it and don't look now Mr Sharp but Paul George is due back within the week? I'm not sure which game it's going to be. But they're saying within the week he's going to join lynyrd. And all of a sudden that defensive brilliance is going to go off the bridge. We're talking about. Why give Kuwiat put this in perspective? Great Bronze Team allowed one. Thirteen KUWATA steam can really locked down on defense. Toronto scored Eighty Eight Interesting which brings me to Leonard Leonard. Obviously there's one team that knows Kawai almost as well as the same. We used two now. We know where they really know. And I have never seen anything like the defense that Kawhi Leonard played on him last night. Because I watched every last dribble of this game no cost me a lot of sleep but I didn't care because I was going to watch it to the bitter end because I was in awe of the fact that they trap Coa. Who's playing point went forward? He just dribbles the ball up the court just like your man so when he would dribble the ball the floor they would trap double him and half court every time with them and Whoever was closest mark just come and trap him and say no? You can't cross have quality tile right across court and you're not GonNa get another dribble because you're going to have to give up the basketball in the great chauncey billips friend of mine back from the days at ESPN. Who's now the clippers? Color commentator said at one point in their they were telecast the Toronto Raptors are not going to let Leonard Play Basketball Tonight. That's how the defense was played. Nick nurse just said Hey. Hey let's make all the other four. Let's just give them free passes to the basket so it can be anybody but quiet and you know what to his credit credit. He didn't go James Harden and say. I'm going to Jack Up Twenty against double team. James Lebron if you're the best player take it the Lebron. This is the best healthy player on the planet because Kevin Durant is the best player. But he's not playing right now so the best healthy player on the planet said you know what I will just lay back and I will let my teammates win this game and I will spend all the energy. I can't spend on offense on defense. Eighty eight points when wrapped the eight. Okay I got to finish this off one. There's one great assists that he delivered to Michael Green Lateness Games. Minute twenty twenty left. It wouldn't really matter but it would have given him a triple double. which would have been fairly impressive here? It is he just dished it right in a gym. I dropped the ball. And you're going to get and he dropped the ball that would have given humint triple double okay. So he didn't quite get their shot. The ball poorly. I give you that because he looked at the Dodo Dodo. Don't gloss over there. I just said No. No no no no. I said the head yesterday win the bronze conviction. I thought he's the best player. Y of us like the best health declare because Kevin Durant they up not one that conviction Leonard dominated this game without scoring qui- Leonard dominated on the defensive end because Toronto ahead a hard time making baskets ask its last night and they did it the correct way the conventional way the five on five way. They didn't trap they didn't they didn't junk defense all all time junk defense. First of all he experienced something for the very first time that's been happening to Lebron's if he was gotten to the I haven't seen this little league so I'm I'm just trying to figure out. Why turnover with play make it? Do you know Kuwa- turnover is up to to what it was last year so I guess he can't can't do everything I guess he can't do everything but a little brown. Yeah Lebron had fifteen assists with two turnovers had nine and nine now. I don't know if that ratio is it's really good one turtle with a one really know what that's a good ratio to have. Yeah but I just need you to tell me. Keep talking about his teammates. You Criticize Aside Lebron for Heaven Teammates you talk about. Why would you pass the ball delay? degreen that's the teaming. This guy has relied sweet. Lou Martin tray is heartless All those guys all year they'll keep hydrating. Toronto said Sweet Lou be our guest mantras. Biard Gas Darcus be our guest. Ask me ask you this sweet little ever play for Toronto for the Lakers Flavor Toronto. He played in case it was. There was undue knows we loo- also let him. Oh ooh skill blue point time you'll guy he's not he's not Lebron he's never going to be Lebron he can't hold them. I'm a little Braun. Shannon Shannon what. Are you and your team going to do when Paul George comes back to this defense what are you gonNa do. What foot film are US Monday? How what do you mean how? Now with footsie's all you're GONNA put little slipper fire cases right now. Okay well Chroma Day massacre. You're going to give me. I'm like give you know points ten just said it was a massive massacre. I need point. Oh Oh no. Why would you need with the best player Paul George with threatening? MVP DIFICIT Guy Pat Beverley different guy. Sweet Lou Trans Arc lights and all those guys come in Jamaica Greek on up to Mitch Straight up by cases right now. Nope I'm not going to do. It's not as Paul George might not be in rhythm in sync yet. He's gotTa play his way into what coming off. Surgery to surgery. Why did you bring it? Up Comes uh-huh it's going to start now the oldest cliches about the NBA. It doesn't start until Christmas Day so I don't want to live uh-huh what they'll they'll play. What two more times after this? I'll go five cases on those two. No no hold on wait a minute asu suceed hold on you say cases on each game three and four time. Let me make this point here. You said the seasons start to win day so what the hell happened opening night. I had done it. It was over. No everybody said this is a playoff APP. So if it doesn't start out the Chris was how to help. We will get a playoff atmosphere in opening day. I don't know I'm just going on what they said they tell you. What will you find out who they is telling them push them well? Kris Haines was at the game and he sat right there and said boy. He's like I'm telling you now. All Johnson You keep you keep make sure you keep making all I know kinks thanks. How Lebron James Thirty five minutes to get twelve point? How can I be here? Hold my beer. We'll get twelve. I don't think quite drinks beer somehow. It doesn't fit now. The sudden this team knows him very well Oh he was a motion he wanted. Holy the Terminator Data Determined. That don't feel pain. Don't have really interesting quite went and hugged everybody. He hugged like every assistant coach after the game but after that Laker game on opening night Egypt winners on Toronto Land. They knew he knows damn why you went and hugged all of them. So imagine question. WILL LEBRON PLAYS CLEVELAND. Do you think he'll tristen. Everybody Sacramento Lucia. Did he hold somebody. After after they lost to ought to run up the score neither did he hold somebody after the clippers. I don't know I know I didn't know anybody Eh. Terminated how running for president is holding people with hugging and kissing your politicians. NBA Player. What are you talking about the way? He was hugging people matter of fact last night before the game. He's he created a bond last year with those players because they wanted all that will be life law of Koi ars I. Of course you don't think I have a bar with the guys that I played with the Baltimore that we WANNA temperature with. Yes give but you'll make it seem like okay. Why does a hug anybody Ohkawa and what he was doing in San Antonio Politik hug and people kit kit. Have your vote. Thank you very much Titian who still leads the NBA in fourth quarter scoring helped me out fourth quarter scoring got. He's just still running away with the best record in the West. Well well. We'll see about what second now. He's a little behind dame. I thought he was last night. He had gone in yet like my no longer. Sure because he was like six points ahead. Go in points per game dame dollars. All Day I'll have to watch the Lakers at Phoenix. Ra's is it all right here with mass tomorrow. What you want to we will put them on? You'RE GONNA go look you. It's come to this. All the fetus about affect in fact hold on didn't put pushing clippers okay in U. Mass Phoenix. Okay got to see. Yeah we go back to the way we will settle cases on game three no cripple. Come on who Paul. George will have six weeks to get himself back. It'll take longer than that to shoulder surgery to come on. Were sure you've read all the gift giving list. But don't really have the time to keep scouring the Internet for the perfect gift for her. This holiday season with their trendy and classic options. Swarovski has all of this season's must have styles. The new holiday collection starting at sixty nine dollars makes it easy for you to get her something special without the stress on your wallet shop. The Naughty and Nice collection and other brilliant pieces that will leave her sparkling link from ear to ear and you anxiety-free feeling like you nailed it whether you want to go out of the box and get her something fun or keep it more. Traditional Swarovski's naughty audion nice designs have something for every personality explore all of their jewelry watches and accessories at a sore off. Ski Store near You or online at Swarovski Ski Dot Com and the cowboys. Twenty eight to twenty four loss to the Vikings on Sunday Ezekiel Elliott was held to only forty seven yards on twenty carries and after the game. Jerry Jones said quote. You just basically could have put a sign on the start of the game. That said Zeke's not going anywhere. That's pretty harsh okay. Meanwhile Jack Prescott did all he could in the loss the cowboys. QB was three are shy of four hundred through the air had three TS and put up a Qbr of eighty seven and a half. So Shannon has DAK proven. He is the most important cowboy doing it. I didn't do genius. Goes I I I did ask the question. Dak Not the most brilliant. You're still holding out. No there's no holding alex the guy he's still fighting the war and it's over knows not feeling your foxhole so you still fighting will. The war ended a year ago. It did would you keep fire amunition on my hands so I think the worst you're raising. Oh because you keep saying this as you know is not skill wooded Jarrod you say Jerry said you could have put a sign up. He didn't say you could have put aside of say they're gonNA play coverage and they're going to try to stop Dak Prescott. That's not what he sayid. He said you could have put a sign that says basically Zeke's not going anywhere in told hold that much data. Now you know everything starts arts with Zeke. Skip here we go again. Dacca's one in ten when he fails to reach a Honda seventy five. Let us think is what is he the first gate and it was over but guess what it is now. Guess what who. They beat. Skip guessing. That won't be against the giants. He he likes well. Let's have you heard about that. He la La manning allow Rogers ally Whitney whoever he visited cotton. Gin Win the last time you heard let me live. The giants would be winning more games than I lower someplace. Starting quarterback would have won a couple more games that even when that plays Wail teams are geared to stop. Stop Zeke Elliott. Because they said if we can't stop Zeke we can't beat the cowboys and I'M GONNA turn it over to you because I know you're chomping at the bitten to talk Dacca's having his best season in his. NFL career most yards at this point most touchdown highs completion percentage. He's he's number one in Cuba and has a five and four record issue If only he plays safety and then the goalie they would call some running. He plays for my quarterback. Because then maybe we'd have a running game because we don't got any running game and what I'm about to trump on. I'm not not on the bid I'm GonNa Chop on all. Oh you're tired old argument bitten across the table. The truth is that Prescott became the driving force of this football team a year ago. When they acquired Amari Cooper at three and five that's when he became the MVP this team the most important player? This team the the reason this team took off and won. The division last year was the quarterback who did finally did have an actual rapport with in connection with a true genuine number wide receiver. All he did over the last ten games last year was lead this league incompletions but not only did they do that. He wasn't drinking and Daqing Anymore because he he was third in the League over those ten games in length of pass so all of a sudden weight leading completions and third and linked to pass. Something is really going on. Because the truth was last year midseason. My team turned into a passing football team. That's who they are who they've been all year. They're passing football all team. What are they going to show for it? We'll they're five and four because the defense has been atro- Zepa you do. It's like a two way street. You have to have some defense especially when the game starts it helps to have it. But here's the point. I hate to say this but I'm GonNa keep driving at home because I still love. He's equal Elliott. I'm glad he's doing he's just not what he used to be Shannon. And you won't acknowledge that you won't give up the ship on this because the ships it's passed you in the night and I've been calling this and call it him out for a month on this show because he's a shell of himself of his rookie self help me out here. He's now eighth in Russia yards in this league. This is a guy who used to lead the league. He's sixteenth in yards per attempt sixteenth. He's he's nine thousand nine hundred in what pro football focus calls elusive rating. Because he just doesn't make anybody. Miss Remember many times. If I told you I I don't see the burst. I don't see sudden anymore and I definitely don't see any breakaway speed from Zeke Elliot. So how can you continue to make the case. They go ezek goes. He's going nowhere. He's running in Kabo Sand even though that being said that she let you know when he doesn't do it he does. You don't win. That goes for four six to three. You'll lose neck those for three ninety seven. You Lose Z.. Y. You're winging why. When he threw for four sixty three they lose because they were down thirty one? Two three Vance was didn't even show up for that. Did that arrived late to the game. Aaron Rodgers and company scored eleven points at charger. They they were up thirty one. Two three at Dallas. Are you kidding yes that that is shameful do. There's all time Geremek allow that to happen on his watch. You the whole that wall so my quarterback is now pulling away with the QBR lead in the whole NFL. He's pulling away because Russell Wilson plummeted last night. He's second second in passing yards Dak Prescott. He's second in completions of twenty or more yards. Second the whole league used to dismiss them out he can't throw and he just didn't the Guy I don't have any idea he's second right now tied for second with Tom. Brady and on target attempts as pro football focus. And he's tied for third touchdown pass. Is that good. That's what for most quarterbacks if I gave you those numbers they'd be right in the middle of the MVP rice but you can't putting their because they're five and four put him yet. They would be six and three if the coaching staff hadn't taken the ball out of his hands at second on second to at the eleven if he gets to throw on second third and fourth down to a wide receiver or tight in. They're going to win that game. Thirty one to twenty. What on fire thiry because you let him throw it four times and they go incomplete they say? You couldn't run Zeke at least once or twice you know. Well you know I know that would not have happened happened. He was unstoppable. He had thrown them from their six yard. Line all the way to the eleven yard line with six completions scalped me out skew and then you put at the game back in the hands of the guy who goes nowhere slowly you think about this you correct Dacca's lying them up with them make no change He doesn't play coverage he doesn't play quarters coverage he doesn't play any cover too. He still put Harrismith. At the line of scrimmage because he was the bottles Lecoq good what if a lot of fake blitz I saw a lot of mixed up coverage yes I saw a lot of camouflage you saw skill yes you did you so parents assist hotel and got back with diddy but got to the middle of the field but guess what the other say. Today we call that rocking and rolling. We're one guy rock the other guy rolls back the middle. That's what they were doing. They still refused to let it run the football you morning. Not This. I'm just telling you whatever coordinated America's says all I know is it's it's not that hard to keep Zeke from running the football because number one. I'll give you this. The line is not great at run blocking except against the giants up at the giant. When Zeke said these are the biggest holes I've run through my whole career including college in going back to high school and you we would go quite that far? He said my whole life. I've never had holds this wide. Okay so what am I seeing. I'm seeing a guy who's easily stopped. Who who doesn't have remember as a rookie? He would hit the line or screws with body. Lean like I'd never seen before he would hit holds and bolt through holes and all of a sudden he ate in yards deep in the secondary. And if you let him get up ahead of steam he he can carry three tacklers on his back for another six gives you you committed how he ran over Kam. Chancellor no Oh not came Malcolm Jenkins you like you said early tone in your back yard yards yards and when he the way he was on the team last year when they fell to three and five so the reverse stat of that is way to say. Where was Zeke Week Holo? He was getting his carries getting to eat all he wanted to fall into three and five and then turned into a pass was Dalton. What would you go? What the hell was he doing what they were going through didn't have anybody to throw? It ain't got nobody you see after another excuse coming grab. I won't skip. I took you to okay. Did you have a number one receiver. Who Was it helped me out Alan? Herds helped me out. Was it called Beasley. Kobe's doing big things in in Buffalo. He's doing big things. I'll take Randall COBB. Any Day. I'll take him. Would you got him. Gotcha well I've Info. Oh Randall Cobb could play corner maybe it would maybe go back to Kentucky. It's a quarterback and break up to Dallas. Maybe play quarterback. When will you admit the driving? Lightning forced to this team for better for worse as the quarterback when I could see that press consistently win game without Viki run one hundred plus okay. That's when I'll admit that but until appeal being. I'm not admitting because it's not true. What does Zeke look like to you? You're in the hall of fame. What does he look like running back does he? Does he look as good as he used to. Look what are you both skill. Does he running. I want to know what you think. I mean you got four. I put myself clear on the end of the. I'm saying I don't see what I used to see from him. I'm saying Jerry at this point. Looks like he way. Overpaid Ezekiel Elliott. Fifty million guaranteed for that yet helped me out. Is it wrong long is no yeah. So you're seeing the same Zeke. You've always skip you make us. Seem like Zeke. Had these these McCaffrey. And saquon Barkley Eighty and seventy yard. rushers he never had that in. He's never been we screen passes. You don't want yeah. He took one in Pittsburgh. Okay well next time we do this. I'll go back and look up. All the long runs the ad as a rookie and in a second because he had all bunch but skip from his rookie year. They started off his city. You detailed. Aw How third unit really tailed off. And they're not there now but he's really never been guiding is okay. I covered Dallas cowboys team. So the nine hundred ninety s everybody. Everybody came in saying we're going to take Emmitt Smith away from me because they were a flat out running football team and what happened every single Sunday. Nobody could stop them. They just ran a simple offense. It was Emmett right an image. Are they doing right or toss. Got One hundred yards. Every day he set the all time record is what what he said. Well yes but nobody could stop him it so by. What are we gonNa do about your holiday? What we do about him but they were passing football team? Golick the numbers Tommy. DAX numbers are way up above troy. The here's the thing they ran they ran. They ran through early and they ran the clock out on your late. Well not really they just ran it down your throat. Trust me trust me. Ninety two ninety three ninety four ninety five. Just look what happened Wilson continued his. MVP campaign last night handing the forty niners their first loss of the season. Wilson has twenty three passing passing touchdowns to just two picks on the season and he has another three these on the ground. Mark Jackson made his own. MP statement this weekend with his second perfect passer asser rating of this season. Lamar has been efficient as a passer and also has over seven hundred yards on the ground. Which is the eleventh most in the League League? We're now joined by Super Bowl. Champ and solid in multiple analysts Reggie was. It is a lot today. So right. Now Reggie Reggie. Who is your? MVP Are you gonNA go with Russell. Or Lamar well. I think after washing last night's Monday night football game I think Russell one up Lamar Jackson again because I think before Russell played that game I was all in Lamar Jackson. Just what he's been able to do this season And it kind of also depends on. What's the criteria that we're basing this? MVP race on because the conventional criterias don't tell Russell's the MVP but Lamar. Jackson is really challenging the narrative. As to what. We've all kind of grown too. When we watch quarterback Tom Brady is a drew brees? peyton manning's of pocket passer quarterbacks who can put up yards ars and touchdowns through the Air Will Lamar Jackson this challenging that right now and It's a struggle with go back and forth because again in before Russell play last night. I was only Lamar now seeing Russell comeback once again it just feels like whenever you wash Russell no matter what no matter how much. They're down by no matter what the situation is. He's GonNa find a way to get his team back in the position to win a football game and I think you have to take that into account you can't you can't discount that because that's so valuable so important he's out there doing it with just guys but he's making guys is great players and that's the sign of MVP candidate when you elevate the play of the guys around you right. They don't have a dominant receiver. Didn't even how Tyler Lock You Nick Knight Okay and we're still won the game without him right in. So Josh Gordon enters two or three big third down conversions. So that's the sign. Have a great quarterback in the MVP MVP candidate win. You can elevate the play anybody around you. No matter who they are and I still think Lamar Jackson is getting there. He's not that quite. They're not quite there yet. I well I thought he. I had given the watching Lamar on Sunday. I still thought Russ heady slightly slightly and I think he increased slightly because what he did on the road. Now remember now. The New England Patriots San Antonio Brown. They tried to little broad. There's a report came out that Mr Cramp won't rob won't Rob Gronkowski comeback from the playoffs to guide that was on. Russell lasts or on the Seattle seahawks last night that they're making play the Patriots. They've even though we need wide receivers. We don't untidy and we don't want you guys Holliston Gordon now the guys the Patriots. Maybe that'll have that wide receiver. Libra they deduct Gordon. Like who dot Gordon May Second Grade Shannon. Sharpe told me that Josh Gordon can't run anymore like he has a piano owners. The genitive Josh ruined the slant the here to hear what they put him on the male he ran Aslan Iran and at one point on cruise down he was in trips right and they call out and took him out of the game. Because I think he didn't know what that's understandable. Skip escape when you look at this and these one score games. He's seventy one in one score games with twenty one touchdowns one interception and he keeps doing that. He keeps finding ways to win with a high completion percentage. QBR is still in the top five at you. said he's green now. Mahomes number two number one and so when you look at all that what he's doing skip and that's the thing is is the hardest thing for defense skit with Nick when you when you go to the line of Scrimmage the defensive coordinator call the play based on what he thinks you runnin based on all the information and the data that they've accumulated over time they play. Dnd area the field position where the ball is body okay. What Russell is most dangerous when that play is covered and it breaks down and he's off script because you have no idea because he can run it and get your thirty yards like we saw last night or he can run around by time and throw? I went to the guy who picked up a first down on thirty sixteen. That's what makes them so dangerous. Also what makes Lamar Jackson so dangerous. But I still. I think Lamar is close close. Yeah really scared but I think the thing is once cam really won the MVP with his style of play that was the only pocket passer yeah win the MVP skip. That was done away with. And I think now you're going to see more of these guys get consideration. Maybe they're the time down the road and even Calamar if he can get enough. Insulated supportive boarded Lamar Jackson. I got Ross. One Lamar Jackson too right now my MVP boating man. I'm a store. Watch the wrong game last night. Yeah I don't know you know what I took a shift Shays Brownies and I must have hallucinated. Last the special ingredient told you stay grounded when you have thirty thousand feet elevation as they way panic attack. Oh well I'm just thankful I didn't have a panic attack watching this game last night because man Dan I was seen something else I saw. MVP Runaway Russell. Wilson is I saw him last night struggled throughout the game especially in the first four quarters through for grant told one hundred fifty five yards and with twelve twelve left in the football game and they're up commanding twenty one to ten so this wasn't a comeback special by Russell. He's up twenty one to ten. Could we see what happened on that. Play because he drops back to pass on second down from his thirty five. And you got to protect the Football Russ Russ Rus Out of your day was crazy crazy because now you're offensive. Line is that he gets stripped. Took it for. Yeah he did okay. They're gonNA try to run. The ball is loose. Law Ball is loose. Just Beaumont it but I'm saying to do it helped me out. was that an MVP. He played no because it allowed them to score and two point conversion one day eighteen grew and then helped me out. This was not the comeback King in Overtime I drive of overtime. He drives them down. And it's like second five from the fourteen yard line that goes to the scoop and score to force buckner. Here's the interception. He throws that to a rookie fifth round. Pick Out Arkansas. It's a terrible under throw it so cardinal sin interception DAK Prescott throws that interception. I I would hear about it for the next three years on this show. It would be the first topic of the day for three straight years deck. Blew the game at San Francisco with Orig- I'm intersex. If you watch this play. He baited him. He looked like fifty seven. You're gonNA drive on the route to the back. And then he backed up out of it. Is that an. MVP He play. Football got returned forty seven yards and it led to what should have been the game winning field goal for the forty nine but the substitute kicker signed off the street this week to replace Robbie goal gets out there after he made one Aegis go I mean he had Reggie Plays Golf. It was the biggest doc hooked. Snap like close face just right left. It was left off his foot right. Didn't have a chance. It had no choice but that it could have been the end of Russell. Wilson's MVP Canada's. See if that ball goes through the upright also a couple of things that happened in game one great job by Seattle's offense to give back and stop that from being touchdown. Because I have been a guaranteed touchdown right but also you know I think when we look at the criteria if you if you factor in gangs one right like we're talking about how Russell Wilson comes back time and time again against teams to win football games where you also got a factor in the Lamar Jackson. Beat Russell Wilson head to head Yesalis. How Russell's house also beat Tom Brady head to head in at at his house witted? I thought coach Belichick. Yeah and so. That's why I say I times are changing. Because more and more quarterbacks look like Russell Wilson and look like Lamar Jackson Right. And that's something that we can be proud of as well but when you look at the criteria the games he's been able to go into some of the toughest places to play and be the undefeated team on the road. Yeah did it. Okay but Jimmy didn't have his. He didn't have kindle and he didn't have the manual saying Jimmy Genie's hold into the football. Well he doesn't do a better game. He needs to do a better job because I know that was driving his his his head coach because I know his head coach I I play for his dad. Mike Shanahan Mahan internal with who drive them crazy especially skipped when you got the game. You commanding the game. The game is totally in your control. Being from the time he that Baugh Orange County's Gupta to score the game totally chain it did and then all of a sudden he palm with again and they told them to another horrible pick. Dude I want to remind and everyone coach Belichick that guy to replace Tom Brady two years ago. You try to it. And what about this. Some that I think is also Overshadowed obviously because of the great play we've seen on the field but what about the poor clock management at the end of the game by the forty niners. Yeah you gotta run run the ball run at one time the out of the game in regulation. Yeah Yeah Okay. Well that's on your Russell had to Baugh turn it over. What a minute on the clock? Uh they got it back with a minute thirty on the clock. You'll only twenty seconds would wear Jimmy G. With Joe Borough and second ranked. Lsu did what had been done since twenty fifteen. That is win a game and Tuscaloosa Nick Sabin and Alabama. The Tigers put put it on Bama early and took a thirty three to thirteen lead into halftime. Borough had just over four hundred yards with only eight and completions and three touchdowns to a tongue ovalles. Loa Loa tried. But he just wasn't able to lead a comeback in the second half despite having over four hundred yards in the game Alabama was ranked third before the loss and the Updated College Football playoff rankings are released two nights a reggie what this game until you told me what already assumed and Lsu's she was the number one team in the nation and is Joe Boroughs Heisman to lose at this point He showed up time and time again on the biggest stages in the biggest games. They've needed him most a beat Florida. They beat Auburn. They went into Texas Texas. They've had the most impressive wins when you talk about a strength of schedule right. We're talking about the cause for playoffs. Nobody's done it better. Lsu and then you you go into Alabama and you beat Alabama Obama having beaten them in. I don't know how many years one I'm happy for coach because he recruited me to. USC reason why went. There's a huge deal for him but also all at the same time just for LSU fans people in New Orleans. I know how much win means for them. This is a big time win for them and again it just proved already already already kinda thought you know. We had ranked Joe Boroughs as a number one heisman contender and I think that was his heisman. Game I think his statement game so I think he I think he is married. Take for me. It skipped by we. We we looked at Alabama and I knew this was not the type of defensive team that they've had. Here's path at some point time guys keep leaving going to the NFL early. That's catches up with you and then two of your best players lose them before the season with knee injuries and so that's behind the eight ball. I think they're starting for true freshman human and that finally caught up with him. Skip but if you look at teams that have beaten coach saving you look at the teams that beat him Johnny Manziel. He wanted to Heisman Cam. Newton he wanted to have Shawn Watson we know where he represents in the NFL. In Trevor Lawrence beat him in the title game. Who could possibly be the number one draft pick in a year from now so we just enjoy boroughs? Obviously a really read you mentioned. He's heisman front runner and he's bald himself into a top five player so he's going to come down probably between him and to in Aribert her to her. But I think the thing into turnover really heard Alabama because to the ball. You lose three at the worst case as you lose three they go down and get seven so from three you get nothing not get seven and skipped fourteen point swing and twenty seconds right before the end of the half with with a little bit more than they could overcome but you see the. AP Did they only dropped them to pour is going to be very interesting to go because they went out. They beat over all beat Oregon Cricket. So which would you rather have the college football playoffs guilt. PAC twelve in Oregon or team in Oklahoma laws the case Dayton So I can tell you know what's GonNa Happen. You know what's going to happen. If Alabama wins out sitting down with lows. He is older popular. It is over okay for Alabama. Okay if you give up forty six in Tuscaloosa. I don't care whether it's to Jonesboro borough or you gave up forty plus two K.. State now which is better. LSU will pay state. I thought we were talking about Al Football player gene. The question was in. What was the question home? Forty the game told you so you can take off weight. You gave up thirty three in the first half at home in your thirty three three to thirteen and the Great Paul Finebaum at Espn Road. Things tweet Nick. Sabin has been schooled in his last two consequential games not a good good look for the goat. Would I always tell you. Saint Nick Eight Nick couple more stats for you. Shall we do Alabama Obama given up four hundred and fifty yards or more fifteen times under Nick Saban not not all that bad except six. Those games have come since last December really okay. So the quarterbacks of the past five ranked opponents to face Alabama have combined for nearly two thousand yards passing fifteen in total touchdowns and no interceptions while completing sixty three percent of their past. Anybody who can throw it pretty very well from the pocket. They are going to pick huge piece right. And then that Little Clyde Edwards records. Yeah he was a workhorse not shred them every way shape and for me scored four touchdowns ballgames were. They tried to do instead of tackle the gotTa try to take the ball of wet. See a situation like that. You see the way he's built. He's kind of more dareus role. Yes exactly exactly. That reminds me exactly. Nearest you try to pull the ball away and the next thing you know not only do you didn't get the ball. He's standing in the end zone. Celebrate skill but look. It's over if you give up forty six your disqualify stop. You can't do it okay. You're out that was the nighttime. In Ten seasons which engaged giving up thirty five or more time for the fusing is in college football in decade. Okay yeah if everybody jumping off the cliff should you also jump on his the only at some point in time all those you keep losing pipeline all these guys keep going and he still hasn't there but the thing is but the question's is going to come down skip they went out. They be orbiting all Auburn in the Iron Bowl in Melbourne okay. All beat Oregon Oregon has one lost. Oklahoma lost her case state. So who has the more compelling big one loss team even Oklahoma shot at this you bring up Oklahoma. I'm like bamboo. Thank you. Would you look at it. And they shouldn't be in this conversation I believe is l.. LSU holds hers. I believe the Lsu no-brainer Clemson. Ain't nobody touching bill in Ohio title state. So now it's GONNA come down to one loss. Oklahoma one loss Oregon one loss Alabama. Yeah so who you think would be more. It is going to be tough for four. Pack twelve one loss team to get in because the strength to schedule right for Oregon the one loss to Auburn at the time nine top they were the fourth ranked team in SEC at the time when they lost home. And so that's GonNa make it tough for a one loss team from the PAC twelve to get in over a big team one loss or we're talking about right because they might be might be penn.. State Penn State has one law. So it's going to be very interested. We we went to. I mean you really could have Oklahoma. Who the WHO the Blueblood with one loss and they only outside looking in because that was the case dates get with Horam ooh maker lost at home to Iowa? State is a thirty one point favorite and won the heisman and got into the final four but they came back they came back with two loss teams. They ain't getting in on the White House. Bama Obama Emma invitation without the Host Team Alabama College Football playoff. They're living in the liver right now. This is the presence presence anything that gives out forty six. At least Oklahoma gave up. Forty eight in Manhattan to k stay eighteen to chase them embarrassed. I'm ashamed this weekend and week out. You know we talk about on our show about. They got expand the cost football playoff system. GotTa have more sure the law should allow today. It was close to home. Yeah you kick the kid you gotta you gotTa Daddy Right taking you get over time to do that. We tackled the receiver in the end zone. So we got away with they gotta they gotTa Keep it interesting because they know the big big what they toil wilty going nowhere all. I know when the Conference Oklahoma has a better quarterback than Alabama. Do this Jay Leno right now to win the highest skew. I'll take my quarterback who used to be your quarterback over your quarterback thirty to thirty to really really run it uh-huh duty job after eight to eight start to the season New York next president Steve Mill said had he and GM Scott Perry were not happy with where the team is right now. There are also reports that the organization is preparing to fire head coach. David Fidel Andy. They want Michael Rapaport. Oh is it back out of the way to work. uh-huh this what is going on with the Knicks. Glad to be here. Thanks for having timing. It's time I was scheduled to be here weeks ago. I I WANNA say this Steve Mills. I'm done with you. I'm not seeing president sort of I'm done with you. Steve Steve Miller I I have so much say about this guy. Steve Mills your record as a prison as a GM as the basketball more mind of my New York Knicks. I'm done with this guy. Steve Mills Yahu clown his record one hundred and sixty five wins three hundred and thirty seven losses. Steve Mills. Let me tell you something. Isn't there a leaky faucet that Dole all in needs to be fixed or maybe it's time to like walk the dogs or I don't know driving somewhere. What is your skillset? Steve Mills. What does this guy do you through? All the coaches lenny. Wilkins Rambus was the coach of the New York. Knicks during my tenure residency coming on this show Derek Fisher. Sure the Lenny. Wilkins Williams was the coach of the Knicks. Mike what's in the Phil Jackson. Tobacco the might data and Tony. nonni Steve Mills been there. So we've changed coaches we've changed. GM's Steve Mills with GM. He's a basketball president and we've had personnel players. We've had the CARMELO rules but Steve Most remains there okay. We're we're to win eight. We should not get blown out by Sacramento SACRIMENTO. We shouldn't that get blown out on a Sunday okay. I shouldn't have to turn the Channel Two New York Knicks. Okay during Sunday night football and like it's like a car accident were down thirty. Three points on a sun- Sunday I'm trying. This is the day of rest fiftieth birthday. I shouldn't have to look like a car accident. And through all all that. You've got Steve Mills. He's the consistency him and Dolan. Dolan's not going to sell this team. I Want Steve Mills fired. He's a problem. Okay and work to fit fishtails a big boy phil physical. He's got moxie he's tough. He's been through. He was he was tenured by the Great Pat Riley he was there with the Miami A Miami Heat guys. He don't need you to Scott. Perry in Steve Mills sniffing around St Mosaic. With he's got no base. Why are you out there for a press conference? Daddy Dolan tell you to come out there. What what what are you doing out there? We're joining you. Don't fist. Could take it on the Chin if you fire David fishtail visit deal if they fire him and I'm not saying they're not. We've had the things with the Dennis Smith who fired Davis I am ordering. I am begging and this myth that the fans at shock to the Knicks game or not New York Knicks fans. Maybe down there in the boxes in the below any section of these family people. These are hard working New York people from from the boroughs from Jersey from Bronx for Stanton. They pay their money to come. See you go to see Hamilton on Broadway. Go to see wicked Netflix. And Chill Doc. Going atypical watching typically streaming. Who Do something we need to stop going to the Games and supporting these guys once again? Four put the New York Knicks as the most lucrative franchise in all sports. Beth enough is enough if Dole is not going to sell the team instead of talking about Fidel get rid of this this clown Steve Mills. I WANNA know this. Okay I'M GONNA throw throwback to you guys if Steve Mills also got fired by the New York Knicks would he ever have another job in the NBA. No because he has no basketball skill set out in the following game. I don't know what they think David did they thank Julius randle. He's till you miss out on carry you miss out on. Think of what you're saying the whole off season I thought you were going to get durant and Kyrie and and we were also getting those Ziad. That's all of that to this. I saw the means. Didn't you see the Blue Jerseys Visit Dell is not. The problem is not the problem and I regard is is the best thing you have gone up the players like them. They're respect them. Okay now to your other favorite team the Lakers would have you seen so far there. You go there okay. I'm gonNA tell you some shade. Don't get too close because I got thirty seven. Let me say something Shane again again. Just like the Knicks. Beam two and eight and Lakers. Are they seven. That's two seven two and also I I blame because I'll be honest. You guys are sports veterans. Okay okay I blame Lonzo ball for all this because traditionally up until this season we never even the most staunch NBA Eh. We never got excited about seven and two obviously to innate is not fun but to get all crazy about the records this early the Phoenix Suns last year. Come December two clippers. Were the best record in the West. Let me tell you something. Your team looks good. You Guy Lebron James he looks fantastic. And I. We'll say this I with you on the Lebron I think in terms of the sitting out the load management and all that so I respect the fact that Lebron is is is is ground and pound. But I'm GonNa tell you some Shea. Okay I'm here. Drip guys are winning any championships and the earlier hurt. You scream scream on this man and say he's never going to be Lebron James about coop. You don't need to. Maybe that's not the answer to be three and six. Maybe maybe that's not the pinnacle to be Lebron because why Lynyrd he's got two championships he's got to MVP's they beat them once. They're going to beat him again. They're going to win in the he has one as the guy he wasn't the guy he wasn't the guy I'm ducking and was a minute and Tony Parker. Well he was the MVP will well when he was a little baby. He wasn't even shape shape. How how about this year when he was a regular season? MVP Talk to you boy who cares about who is the regular season MVP last year. Who Was it? James Harden no honest James. Hardie okay. Who cares what did they? They got. Jewelry Jewelry No. I'm not going to sit here and Lebron is not great but you you act. That's the any Lebron is not like being like my. Why Ever GonNa Pass Liberal on here? Ever you hear more rings him got Morillo but he ain't. The Guy Lender will end up with more rings than Lebron. Just go through the guy at the at the end of the season this year. Okay so when when when when the clippers not down the Los Angeles Lakers barring everybody stays healthy you going to say the clippers are going to beat. The cuppers are going to a beat. Everybody says how things are going to beat the Lakers. You Care you already know caviar liquor we wanted you know. Oh my God it please. I'm asking right now. Book Me Right now for that day. I if I don't get booked I'm just coming up showing up well short because we will bring. I'm sure you'll have please do. We need any good team. He looks great. Lebron looks great. He's got a chip on his shoulder. Dwight Howard thing. I came on this show in in the summer and I said that was a good thing. I like Chevelle. I've always been manageable. I don't think the warriors should've ever let him go. Anthony Davis is doing. Anthony Davis Lebron. He had that. We're your thing with this here. I don't want to go down that road. I didn't want to go down that road because these guys you rock that do rag you want to keep those waves. Why is this man? Rockinger do read all the time. There's no waves and keep it. Keep his pants okay. But I'm just saying that. Listen you guys are winning the championship. You'll hater I just I just complimented the guy I think right. Now you'll come with. I'm not a Lakers fan. You're not winning a championship. Quieter will wind up ending. His career with more rings brings Lebron James. I'll make a Walter bet on you on that like you say we are more rings than the Knicks. Okay we talk about the Knicks. But I'm just saying you say he's never gonNA be Lebron but he'll be Hawaiian. He will never be thought of as a better player. He could have fifteen res. He'll never be thought of as a better player than Lebron lodging. Agree with you. I agree with you on that but maybe that being Lebron James isn't the best thing I said. He will never be thought of. He will never be thought of as they better. Blair then Lebron James. I think that he will never be thought of as a dynamic individuals like player but I think at the end of the year and enter Char. Yes he'll have a better career right. Those things those things. The Best Player in Los Angeles right now is not the most wait a second. Do you realize this man. Quite Leonard had option in the off season coming under July. He could've just stacked that Laker deck. He said you know what I give. Aw Give in. I WANNA win three more chips with Lebron ad at the other side and the other locker room. It's what he said. No no I'm GONNA leave you guys high and dry. I'm going to bamboos right up to the deadline and I'm GONNA sign with the other team and I'm GonNa take you on in your house and you're going to dethrone throne you in your in Ebor and I'm GonNa have you either you acid. I'm GONNA have the audacity on opening night to let my my new new balance commercial. Drop in which I got a little little remember in crown genuine from the key chain. I'm the king of this. Immigrant is co Whitehouse L.. Scared of scared of balancing. I like new balance I'm not bringing Olga. Yeah unbound king listen for years Iran. How you balance a great job as you'd like to walk around I'll Rocco with Lulu live at leisure wearing hooping? It always farce as as far as dope sneakers. Lebron James at the bottom of Nike sneakers to a George don't care about the new majority nomex Lebron James Sneakers sneakers on real world. Join the WHO. They look quest to get to the bottom. How do they get to be able to hide Jordan big and a carry bigoted they get a steph curry and the bigger and bigger and Dave Lillard go to the top bigger than engines? Instead it was two behind. George maybe a lot of people in China. I'M GONNA move a follow up. I'm GONNA move forward. The thing is is this your guy. He's great he. I'm surprised that he look sprightly. And all that stuff at the end of the year you bring this show undisputed the best in the business by the way visits by the likes to my crib when when you guys are either bumped out of the Western Conference finals or or maybe even earlier you might not win a playoff win. The play-offs okay. I'm coming put my feet up on your coffee table just like this year. I can't wait. Wait could be wearing socks or no snow. SOPs my leg of Jersey Lebron to come with me bring them and I'm Gonna I'm GonNa tell you something when you when he's on early summer vacation he's scratching his head you know. He's going to shave his hair again. By the way I say this. He looked good with the shaved head after the warriors. When what was it three to one of four to one he was confused? He should just rock that. You should go ahead okay. But it's hard to let go good face. Sometimes it's over do they. Nobody it is over. I don't care how to they're going to lose the Phoenix and I'M GONNA take that golden asking them or probably go waste Since starting the season three and the cowboys have lost four of their last six games and are currently tied with the eagles goals atop the NFC east following the homeless and the Vikings Jerry Jones said quote. We'll have to pay for this one. Hopefully it won't be Terminal Jerry. Also said that he knows Philadelphia is coming on board is still with us. Oh my goal. Here is the question of the day who wins the NFC east Well for me these two teams in my heart zone gut my DNA. I see you looking at the custom shirt. The lesser of two evils Sumi giants fan. Historically I don't love the Philadelphia Eagles love the great fighting city of Philadelphia. Dallas have no disrespect against the city of Dallas New York giants Fan. We have bigger fish to FRY. I'm surprised surprised. The cowboys have taken this nosedive. I'm not surprised. The Eagles still think they want to super bowl of they've been celebrating for the longest. Let's think everything's GonNa unfortunately I feel like Carson Wentz hasn't gotten back to form since those injuries. I'm surprised that Zeke is taking a little step back. I'm also surprised that you've thrown him under the bus man he can. You remind your bad game. They're all games plural okay. I can't recognize that guy who's rookie. Who ran over the giants? Had I got. Yeah Yeah but it was all great when he was in Tahiti down there and then he came but I will say that I think that even though the cowboys have a tougher schedule. They got the lion's Patriots Bills Rams bears and Eagles Eagles. The Eagles have the Patriots seahawks. They play play my New York football giants twice slice and the Miami Dolphins those those are three wins right there. I think at the end of the day because of Dak.. And I believe in Zeke and I am a Fan Zeke. I think that the Philadelphia Eagles Stole Miss Nick Foles. They feel like he's going to come in. I think that the Dallas cowboys will will win the when the NFC's and I don't think it's anything to be proud of the way they're going to be doing. They're not a championship team nor the Philadelphia Eagles of but I feel like your team will will pull it out and if you could call it a victory skip I I will take it and I do appreciate that endorsement. Mr Shark Steel Thinking Eli going revert back to form. And they're GONNA win. You know what I want them him to reinstall allies the starter for the Game Eagles at giant. Eli To car with don't don't the Danny dimes for awhile. He's he's he's I'm not worried about Danny dimes. Now I'm not worried about stick with your team and clean in our own house skew. I don't know how you know. Whereas Dan on Biz sat in this very seat Yup getting the year you did not? I skipped. You're not gonNA make the playoffs. You detail me. A DAG in Zeke. Yup No you're not making the playoffs and not and this is not over this should I just don't know is not going to end well. I'm trying I'm trying to prepare UK. Light Jerry say Jerry said he opens terminal when you send insulin the hospice you know it's just a matter of time and they start preparing you for that moment robin preparing you for four months but what was going to happen. Why why do you explain? Explain because I don't trust their coaching staff. And I don't trust that quarterback and that quarterback is win this division to the last three years that same Default last year got hurt really while they got hurt you I get. He played first of all you. Blade came back prematurely the You know that I know that he's on his excuse. But at the end of the day I will have the last laugh. Your team will be at the bottom for the foreseeable future feature you. Enjoy go not making the playoffs. So Las Vegas says you're wrong because Las Vegas is saying right now. My teams a four and a half point favorite at Detroit. Troy Matters Matthew Stafford okay. We had to play with probably play only better not I think he might play. They say you have broken bones in your back. You should not be allowed to transverse process bones. They all do it Tony Romo Mississippi weeks and Dak Prescott Dak Prescott got the job. bryce petty at Baylor he he just played through it he. He played the next day where he at now. Well okay but again. I've seen people play with this. And he loves to play against his hometown. Cow He grew grew up in highland park and Dallas so again four and a half point favorite at Detroit while the eagles are a three and a half point. Underdog at all we got to New England. Glenn coming off a bye you got it. I got three cases right here. You don't mind if I'm not mistaken. Skip how big a favor will you at Baltimore won individuals favorite in Baltimore. I thought we're talking about at Eagle. Just because you may get those boys right you just sack. Religiously put the Eagles in the same conversation with Lamar Jackson since teams do the eagles have Lamar Jackson. He don't play quarterback for the war in other words. If you had the Tom Brady from five years ago. Yeah Ah Okay you got me boy. He Looks Forty two going on twenty four. He looks great. And I'm saying I can't stand him now where you were like. Is that a conversation He's Tom Brady's he'd done. Is he finished great. Have you been watching this game. Listen what's the record. My friend made me go. Hold on what y you seen the defense. What about? His office has been look. Listen Man. They're winning games. And you'RE GONNA make. What are they winning game? Because of him Are they winning gay. Or they lose their bad. They're still doing it. You're asking. Are they losing games because of him. This is a six time superbowl champion. And he's along for the ride. Currently you know that you know I do not know that I think he's GonNa walk onto the field and Philly and say you guys from South Jersey. Come down here. You're going. It'd be Marcy y'all beat this. y'All catching you WANNA put on. Come Friday Friday Friday so you can sleep on it and sleep off in your area because you go to your team. Well I said I'm not going to give you my team apart. If my quarterback had been able to throw it on second third and fourth down. We win that game. Thirty one to twenty dollars gift live though because he just completed six trae passes to go from his six down to the eleven yard line. He was on fire thrown for almost four hundred yards and at the point of no return. Let's give fit the twenty one. How about this? How about get on fire in the first quarter? How about do they? I thought he was your last six game. He drove him into Minnesota territory all three times in the first quarter against the home. You played the saints. You had three points at the half. You play digests. Yeah that's unforgivable. What is what happened in history? We've gone right now. Nine Games in we are five and four and guess what we're still in one of those fours to the New York jets and that's unfreeze. Wait a second was Suwalki. Rian five last year and got usually annihilated million on Monday night football Marcus Mariota. You know what I I'll take lose into SAM darnold over Marcus Mariota. WHO's now lost the job though? Don't really at least hasn't lost the job yet because they they they look fogle let it go by the way. The Eagles got beat. Luke Falk at home and then the eagles lost to the lines at home then the eagles lost at Atlanta Aloe. The Eagles went on the road and beat Green Bay. Who got who beat the brakes on Dallas Okay and yet Green Bay then went to the chargers lost twenty six to eleven and got annihilated and humiliated loss to the saints? The backup okay. You know what you're making my case for that the NFC is still up for grabs. Anybody show me dominant the Seattle. If you're Green Bay in San Fran. I got the New Orleans. Dallas is for granted. You Dallas has got a quarterback. That's all we know. No you don't hear back down leading the whole arlene all the whole entire league. He's not a Cormac leading the league in Qbr Thinking Pacifica they find him for one of those losses to the jet. Russell Wilson Wilson's third. He's aimed to Lamar Jackson. Eighty two. He's four the I believe. It is five and four with an office of line with all bag with a quarterback. That's the top item. You tell everybody you've been telling you about his top five he okay so far. What running back over rated offensive line overrated defense way overrated if my quarterback Xavier? You gotTa have a shot like deck. I like you but now he he. He liked that he thought he peyton. Manning Tom Brady Brady esque. He's not PEYTON radius around here. Ask Ask Bobby Brady on the Brady bunch that breeding. Not only thing they got. They got both got nice cheekbones. All other than that. I don't see any I've seen a lot of similarity I don't I don't like you guys. Put me in a position to defend my have to support the Patriots awesome reverse psychology. You're talking about East Coast. There ain't nothing for you to talk about. The giants are bad for the foreseeable future. Sorry it's tough talking to guests guests on I need Danny dimes to rise and shine twice down the stretch two times the grid. Oh now you matt. He Begged Day to navigate change from London. Darn Bag Robin those. The Eagles Bring Maggie live from gear on from that right. Michael always good to have shaded too long. Michael is going to be the at the helium comedy club in Portland this weekend. Tickets available at Michael RAPAPORT COMEDY DOT Com. I've seen you guys really good. Jared Goff signed a one hundred thirty four million dollar extension in the offseason that included a record one hundred ten million in guaranteed money in an article article by Bell of USA Today. The question was asked whether Goff's extension has been a bust the QB had no touchdowns and two interceptions in their loss. Cost to the steelers on Sunday on the season Goff has only eleven touchdowns to nine interceptions and the defending NFC champ rams currently sit at third it in their own division at five and four so Shannon does deserve most of the blame. Who Does he's regressed? And I think it started the last month of the season last year when Todd Gurley came up with this injury. They were third in rushing last year the twentieth this year and he needs. He works best when he has a running game and when he does not have a running game and there are some quarterback. Skip if they don't have a running game they can throw you the victory. He's not there yet and I don't know if he's going to get there because he looks like he totally different player now. They can't run the football with conviction like they could and that offensive line. I don't all know what happened. Skip but you talked about. Look like they got old overnight. He's offensive line look bad. They can't protect them. They don't open hold for girly girl and part of this the report as early. Are you surprised you didn't play much in the fourth quarter. He like Knob used to it now and there lies the problem now. Something going out and I said look. This isn't something's not right skilled. You don't have a guy and tiger lash. If I'm not mistaken. I think he was voted. The players poll. NFL network the six rated rated player in all the NFL. Now you go from what he did in the regular season. He missed the last three weeks. They broke C. J. Anderson. Okay headed up Mazda game against the cowboys cowboys in the in the open around and then even bigger right. It's yeah and then you play against a New Orleans in the championship game and you you get five six carries played the Super Bowl will all the models on the table. All the money's chip and you get five or six care so we knew something was wrong. Something is going on. Because he's not the workhorse back. Why wouldn't he be when he's the second highest paid running back in football but to take it back to Jerry Golf skip? He's he's regret. He deserves the lion's share of the blame and what has happened also. Is that what happened in college. Guilt with Cordell you. Okay thought here the guys normally are we going to be open if you remember. Tom McVeigh then is there. Such is going to be open. What happens when that player is not open and he has to go was is not there and he has to go to three? He's struggling to transition from getting off one to go into to three and because they can't run the football all all that laundry is in his lap his piling up faster than he can wash it true. So what if I told you from the start that Jerry Jones is being forced to overpay repay because the rams overpaid todd Gurley I just. Because he's heard I'm not saying he's not worthy of the money in talent but then they way a overpaid jared goff to me and they're going to have to live with that while Jerry is going to have to overpay Dak Prescott on market value. But I've also told you from the start art. Dak Prescott is better than Jared Goff again. We got a fourth around versus the first overall pick right but the fourth round is has proven at every turn to be a little too to a lot better than jared goff. And I'm not ready to dismiss. Jared Goff is a bust. He's just a little better than average to me and I do think last year he was in large part a product product of the wizard. The genius that was Sean mcvay and all of a sudden that has been exposed because the offensive line is turned into a shambles and it happened overnight. It did. And now they've shipped guys out and they've replaced and all of a sudden they can't protect they can't run it. They can't do much of anything. And they got unhealthy. Twelve points at Pittsburgh twelve to twenty they were averaging twenty seven. Wow now Pittsburgh has gotten better defensively. I think the Digital Minkah Fitzpatrick skips talk you into the discussion. Also tells you for the year. I love this Pittsburgh Defense. If Rothlisberger could have been healthy I'm still not sold. Hold on Mason Rudolph Donald C.. But whatever he's doing he's doing a great job of whatever they're asking him to do we've been able to run the ball just enough to keep teams on smell. Well see him at Cleveland on Thursday night. We'll see week. I was happy because I mean you. You have to ask yourself are hundred. And Ten million guaranteed eleven thirty four million dollars. Total Congressman That's a lot of money. Okay and when you play a guy that kind of money if the running game not there you expect him to be able to throw you to the destination you need to get okay and the question. We're going to have to ask themselves moving bore. If Todd Gurley can ever be the guy that he wants was. Do you believe Jerry Golf can and take you where you need to be right now to the rams defense or lack thereof. They gave up fifty five points at home to Tampa Bay fifty five points. They got dominated by the forty niners here at the Coliseum in La. They have given up to fifteenth most points in all a pro football and yet they have what you say is by far not only the best player on defense. The best player in all of football on that defense is obviously Aaron. Donald and yet they're fifteenth in points points allowed. I can't put those two together. They don't go together okay. That's that's disappointing. Because you look at the first round they got on the Defensive Line Clay Matthews. Yes kept he he. He Lo long in the tooth but he's still a little bit. He was the first round the Aaron Donald Will the first round of Braga were the first round Fowler was first rounder then loaded with first round up there and they got jalen. Louis Rams yes okay. Isn't that something you know. What is not computing? I Love Wade. Phillips played for Played Two Year Difference Gordon and my first three years in the league something is not clicking. Is it just the Super Bowl losers syndrome where you come back the next year and you just can't get right right you just can't you back but nothing seems like you'd be even hungrier getting so close almost getting to drink from the the Cook uh-huh and you're right they're like man. I'm doing everything I possibly can but I can't you know with the exception of one buffalo. Done it New England's done it but seemed seemed like when you lose that game is like just like like everything is lost. All of a sudden they have gone from dominant to getting dominated. And everybody everybody wanted that. Guy Sean mcvay treat met Leflore all these guys were getting jobs looking so oh hot anymore. I'll take the cowboys. Five and four over the ram ring up that same record star loss for the past six Yup Yep similar capable. I know one for sure I feel very comfortable. Saying one for sure will not make the playoffs. The after Deck Prescott's war up on Sunday night went viral. Forty niners defensive. Nick Bosa did his own version of the Dak Jack warm up last night before his primetime game against the seahawks. I'm sorry I shouldn't be laughing. Nope what did you think funny or not funny. Not Funny who. Who Does Nick Bosa rookie in this league? What exactly has nick Bosa accomplished accomplished in pro football? That gives him the right to make fun of Dak Prescott. You knew who he learned. That drill from that pre-game drill from the Great Tom House. My I friend Tom House. Who Coaches Tom? Brady and drew brees among many others. So Nick Bosa is now making fun of Tom. Brady's throwing coach because that's exactly what he teaches. Brady to get your hips into the throw. You throw it with your hips. So I'm sorry that pretty much made me Sick at my stomach when I got to get you on a people he football player. You play the game with your hips. So he wants to get in he did he yeah. You weren't on his hips into the game last night because he had one quarterback hit and no sack neck you dominate it. Yeah what does get way to go. Can you got all that loses up. Did he win almost four hundred yards. He didn't win. The coaches took him out. He almost would make both the team. Almost almost one that was given that people have fun. What is what does this coming to? Where did this come on? Yeah so he planted the flag on Baker. At least yes. You're trying to get even because Baker got even with you for celebrating at normal. He's tried saint hips loose. Skip guys do you guys do that. Like the hurdle title in the fire hydrant. And they're doing this loose. I might do that. Start doing low. He'll sit down. I tried to do the work so Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm Johnny Taft. Join US again at the same time tomorrow morning. Nine thirty eastern. We'll see you then of of of one.

Russell Wilson Seattle cowboys Tom Brady football San Francisco MVP Dak Prescott Lakers Shannon Shannon Clippers Eagles Russell James Lebron giants League Dallas Vikings Paul George New England
Thaboxingvoice Rap Battle: BOXING BARS 10: The Mandatory Championship

Tha Boxing Voice

3:25:12 hr | Last week

Thaboxingvoice Rap Battle: BOXING BARS 10: The Mandatory Championship

"Intended for mature audiences. The views and opinions expressed those the panelists and do not reflect in any way. Those are the podcast partners, sponsors or affiliates enjoy. This is buffer and you're listening to the voice of the people. Let's get ready. For boxing voice. Hey Daddy. This is Donald. Fun. Production you pay. You're. GonNa pay. Lot Eight. The wives. Influence of vitamin. Everybody watching me. Eventually. Hospital. down. Calm. Here today. If? You're fighting on the APP. com, Tables. Entertainment. New Productions. Trump. What up what up welcome back, ladies and gents to another addition of boxing bars. We are on number ten anniversary addition the tenth episode the Mandatory Championship. As we had an eliminated last week with A. Added nowhere upset. As King I mean suffered his first defeat at the hands of UK zone. Idris! Now. He's aren't as mandatory position at the champion money. May Mongolia in the newly crowned number one ECP's own Dumi. In an eliminator position with King. A survey cheng-kuo somehow gets a nother eliminator. Right after a loss. You know. Corruption is always in the commission, but it is it is. Call them king I mean Sergei. Dir Z. Deserter Chanko. Day but UH. We got E. C.. P. Battle in house again, showing people that we put on the best fights. We don't hold off his bag. Jp Long Beach Taking on Roughhouse Aka? Silverback, so we got a very jampacked show. All the polls are set and ready to go in drafts. Mistakenly published Mario's deleted redid it, so we're all ready to go with the voting system. Took the words of the Commission and devotes are open to as little as three dollar patriots. Okay so Mario the. You really have the chip stacked against you. You know you really got the chips steak against you but listen. That's how we like it. Money may style in a mean boxing boss New Middle. The S main event Mario Aegis at a UK for the championship. Only one belt unlike the corrupt Chris commissioned that wanted to make an interim title last week for King I mean they were so sure he was going to win. I only want one belt. Dumi number, one versus Sergei Derby and Changqing. I mean greatness versus Sony. I'm hoping Sony gets crushed. By Greatness J. P. Silverback. And what everybody's waiting for? The main event. Winner. Has Bragging Rights. And, if see Y. Peed loses, he will never speak again. WHO's his words? Open and main event is what the commission is calling it never before. Seen An opening at Would such. Appeal and attraction. Question today. Who's The a side? Technically, we know casual easy with the record. But C.. P. Continues to insinuate that his popularity amongst the show deserves him a side status, so that is going to be your July twenty fifth twenty twenty. East Coast. PROMOTIONS CO-PROMOTED WITH J.. N. J.. In Sergei Derby and Changqing Promotion. So, let's get this thing started. Missing. My scenario here, but yet guys. What's going on Good Morning? Are we ready? Is Everyone Ready? We ready chant we ready. To go to war, Fellas, they came down to the castle door. Banging is night woke me up. Now, I'm in a bad mood champ whole Donna. Chan got a hurricane behind me what I gotta do. What I gotta do. Is on Chan. It's like this this you. Know. He don't lose when he has that all right. You know that he doesn't lose when he has that on right Sicheng. I don't even think right now serious. To chant. Let's just go ahead with the news. Let's go over the rules you know it looks like the commission's added. One more rule will find out what that is, but. It says absolutely only one minute battle rounds. No time extended. the. Bay Rule, if a battle going on minimal discussion during the battle more rhymes less Tolkien, no influencing guys, absolutely no cursing rule number three absolutely no cursing. There's a poll out there. On whether or not CYP is going to lose via disqualification due to potty mouth. Poll on Backchannel Tony. We. Got Number four no reference of sex I always had an issue with this one but okay. Number five bucks and related topics, only the essence of boxing boss number six, no direct reference to murder or killing. If it's fluid related to boxing. Then that is that the behest of Ness Myself But We'll do it as a committee I. Mean I'm just reading these rules to this I didn't make none of these up. And the newest rule looks like the Curtis Harper rule. If a schedule fighter does not answer the opening bell, it will be deemed TKO loss. Now. That's different than Curtis, because are actually got. To, the ring went through the ropes so that he can get paid. Up a fight it doesn't show up very hard for the other fighter to get a law I guess we call it the Curtis Harper will because you have to do at least what Curtis Harper dead. Get there on time and show up to have it officially sanctioned, and if you don't do that then. You asked out I'm just saying if you're not if you've never showed up on Saturday, Kinda hard to hit you with that rule. But yeah, that's true. Those are the seven point rules. were from six to seven corrupt commission. looks like they amended a new rule without getting vote saw good fake Curtis Harper. Vol All good. They're trying to give DUMI losses in enemy. Yeah, but we ready man. Let's get this thing going. Are we going to the opening main event? I is casual. Easy I. Don't even him is the. Piece skin more was going on. I see something flickering in the light. That's how I think that's just how he wakes up. Is that like part of theatrical. Is that his? That's his. That's the fireworks. Legendary. Fashion. How. To. Yell, so you ought to open an that man you ready to go, I mean obviously you know you are the technically, so you get to say going first or last was going to be. Well I didn't know that I thought I was main and I thought that man behold made main Komen. I. Don't got us, Coleman event. In my hand and things. Let me see well. Now do Miss Co main event. Then he dress so yes, so you all schedule. A year number nine so You're actually the Co.. Cocoa me, so you're before dooming doom. He's the main event. So we going with J. P.. And roughhouse step to the plate or fall to the Curtis Harper's rule according to the commission corruption corruption. Let's see here we got. Rough houses here I. don't see JP I. Do see jp, so let me see. What's the records? The you know who's got the better record or they? I haven't seen A. Thing Update, let me see. Let me see. Maybe it's here and I just didn't see it. I got the card, but I never saw Well. I know I. Know isn't JBC Juwono right now. He no, he caught a less GM stj. Sleep. What. I'm here I'm here, so what's your? Own Work. Thousand Iraqi chance. The same one I, so which one he I going decided to go first. Alas, get this gopher. You go I I wrote House mute up to then. that. Jp You, want, the belly. You Ready Yet gimme the, bail. Mark? Gives said. If if you get all the votes I'm still bringing all the smoke spit Zanny boss and you about the overdose I'm smoking jolted smoke. God holy smokes only real. Once. Spill me like the Holy Ghost y'all got bored with the game. This is candy land. I got him scared to say my name like candyman I've been flexing every week. I need a reason a Mahfud with shoddy in his web at season, all these atheists acting like the guy don't. Don't exist the way that I'd be blacking out. I could cause an clips. I told your wife you come through this. She called up the friend texting me like big baby. Come in puppet again the right hand like Deontay. We ain't the same you probably voting for Kanye and I'm the man I'm Jay Z., Yueyang beyond say you will get disabled. Do make his baby blue. You'll cats need the sketch I'm say but to face it Duke Jp. Greatest of Mexico terrestrial in the REP suck. You can't shoot. That was on time. We go into roughhouse. Aka silverback gorilla nevermind that bell. When you ready, let me know. Hit the bill. I go. Ding Ding I got. This INNIS will start started around man I thought that was a dinner pill microphone Tyson's back on tour. With you for come to your city boy when it crush on hot take to the Matrix jpl jump on his, because it ain't GonNa be pretty boy, you can't beat me battling on advantage holy fears, and you had all Christina's Hammas in everyone, Clarissa shields. My boss top ranked when I get in his own, had a riff waving it off, no, Not-i'm Jimmy listened Jimmy Prosciutto. Dammit I dropped him off. Your pick it up. You still got Tom Bro- that long. You got thirty seconds. The top rank getting zone had referee off in no time Jimmy. Lennon preceded. Every room enter them off with is so time dragging your boss Rupaul for even thinking that you top me while you laying a conscious keeping you and even plus the rift. Because he stopped me, always left was having socketed right year Logan. What they think was some four hundred. Only these had his mama dollars. The more positive I d talking about. To Miss. Your. Chance that is a minute. Yeah I mean for for anybody else man. If you drop the ball, don't worry. Keep it going. Know. Tom Is long when it's being counted. One mistake listen this a fight. Punches are GonNa land on you. So if you made a mistake in somebody hits, you know. Slip the next one count. Umbro don't. Drop the ball and stop the verse, but that is the first battle poll is out I. Put it in the chat. We've opened it up all the way to three bucks. So you WANNA vote. Go ahead next up. On the itinerary is looking like we got. The pre main undercard. which is going to be greatness? Versus Sony Sony looking for his second win. He's one and three coming off his biggest win to date over stainless, and he's coming for zone commission brethren in greatness from hall. So. I'm pretty sure greatness is the better resume, so we will go to you, my friend. Do you choose to go first or you given it up to Sony? I. Write. Sony Buenos Dias. Let me know when you need this bell. Good morning give me the best. Leave a greatness as a witness, the greatness this mess. Check you cheering on some Bruno's stuck. Tyson effect gives you caught in the haze of body shots and chess case fling marvel, Johnny blaze is at the stays raising like the neuro. The raging bull is here, not even raise a bait could save your career from the flair that displays I. Blair cobs in the square that spills. You'd know role Sav without a spare put a spark asked that moment to realize that this fights with San Diego and conceal put gloves to your door central. You home expose thanks, cities loaded gloves for more. Garrido mixed up like Margaritas. Post like Judah I'm so spiff knocking through the ropes nor Hopkins. I like I like the relaxed flow. Sony we going out to. Your opponent. Greatness Hall. What up! Greatness. Greatness. Greatness Not. It's a real curtis hall, but he. He could get that rule he can. He can lose right here. Sony I don't know he there what? Hit you with the Kurdish. Well. Issue Number Seven. And I saw love Minnesota. We all you. I it that Bill. I came the body anybody with the name Sony I. Hope You pay for your car. Nick because my punches will put his lights out like James Tony I don't think you a phony I. Don't think you Rowley, but if I hit you with this vendor, it'll leave your tests. Holy, so hold up the back my on during World War fold you up like Kovalev. Have you fall into your back on the full attack? It's not a weapon that I lack. If you like Wu Tang uppercut with, send you to wherever od Cecil name is Sony. It's only right, xbox. xbox swing lecture cost Stevenson, but these punches were hit him up like to Mike Tyson hope when I see the open, I'll take a quick shot curry, but I'm from Harlem I, Sam Garden get him break cost in a hurry. You style can't match. Ramaz I doubt it ever will I got one model, and that's custom model. You'll get your mic. Still kick slows punch lines that run like black dynamite. A pack more punch. DUMI got sound bites his graduate. It's no Tom. Being wasted, I got up because to put his captain ill graduation to go against this. Yes sir. Yes, sir, that was a greatness from. Them. Taking own Sony the commission. Both of these par, both of these guys are part of the commission, and you know even though I a mess with them. Do a great job. We got the week putting this together for us. And yeah the poll for greatness and Sony. To be released in a matter of seconds. And up next looking like It's about that time. Off Of cars stop pacing I'm ready I'm ready to. Go I. Don't even know if you next be. Hold on, let me check the itinerary, but the post has been released for greatness versus Sony. If you're ready to vote, do so I'M GONNA. Go ahead and. Share this on all forms of social media for my skype was during the battle. Try Not to send any messages to each other. Because it could affect the battler as we hear that little Puke bloop bloop of a message being received weaken. Hear it, and you know I don't want them to think. Dumi soundbite assign crazy like that. But what's up with this poll? Not really in the say it's ready here. You got everybody in the background warming up in the in the dressing room. right, so let me check. WHO's next? Look in the on the itinerary. It's Tom so cash which WANNA do first second. Second. S C P. go first messy Y. P.. GO FIRST SHIRTLESS CYP. Why would up? With. West side of mindless. Chance. You really put in some headphones. You sound a little bit echoey. There and we don't want you know. We don't want you to not have the fool you don't want. The performance. Equipment to be the breeze in that. You can get this win. Bergemann doing it. Into this. that. Donald they'll go. added. Look. All! Right whenever you're ready all. Right all right where you could mean that building saw. Four Three. Two. One RENA. You'll say what they. Got A MAC day win. Won A football field not. Only people beating me. Diamonds. Rick your head often. Will. Be On your Bar Super Bowl round one who works out to the race, the crowd who? Fix Chocolate and sweet got hit with you who? Spouse of cash and orange. Look I mean the Ringwood boop boop. Do decide. Kitchen. Tap your shoulder and be like. On the top turnbuckle who came up with? Dog Without Steroids Martin Shit. Next waving the flag myth on the white tail. The classrooms have what's see Robert. Got The juice now. If our that needed more one minute, remember kate seek to be here. But I see what the. Business. Remember next time you challenge me is far live games. Right casual easy you were. Renowned Bell. ooh, Oh man, sound like my man from juice. He Focus. You got the juice now. I've been visualizing my win since last Saturday Day. The odds are against made with the money is on me as we dropping. You are lay a surprise just like it's your birthday. A relevant elegant UK Holiday Affair Body shots. Awkward like one of those three legged chairs? Bring the champ up. GET APPLAUSE BECAUSE I landed cleaning up cut. You thought I will be easy, but you my biggest win a J. and J. Tragedy Earl. Spencer, Mikey, only reason I can't knock you out because this is boxing balls and now bought awards. There's no baton pass onto your bird. John descended relay race tasted different is. Is My pace sour. How you have how it okay Jim, slaughter audie shots. He taking nine penetrating, not not Natan Vita, nope, take this cremation own Memento Carlos claim your position on the ground horizontal like track of its count. Yoko Ono. Dose Trae Quattro. A told you I was a poet got you to pull out your pen like grenades? Suicide blew up in your face. Could. Cut It. Open pose up. No influence and ladies and gents, gonNA open them pose. We gotta move on to our cobaine. Doom me. Versus. King. mean. Derby Yanchenko. But where's doing me? What you mean a man. Oh. So you're doing. You got the undefeated haircut. You're going I or Where he at Man here, no squeak, no squeak. CHURCH MOUSE OH. Oh is this. Is this the first? Curtis hop. Where you at. Because I know he was there this morning is the on. Let me see on blogs or maybe so now let me get on. Oh no, because he ain't an skype. Somebody better hit him up. Okay, he going team. Press one though I mean you good? Go You get hit with that trick that Curtis Hall of Ruby. Now Listen Man I'm getting the kids ready for a birthday party illicit. Let you talk a girl one. That's because if eighteen hundred US may, king means main event last week eighteen, hundred US highest rated. You Need My name Malcolm Seller Mario's Mariota chump and do me up next. Let's go y'all WanNa do it. So I mean I mean? He said You I. All you ever you ready. I Grease ball motive in a hand puppet fighting got me taking losses and got Idi retired my last fight. y'All thought I'll look vulnerable, so now I've got demolished my next opponent in front of you. He's a pressure fighter. Reminding you Marcos Maidana but I got. A question is dedicated reminding you Marcos Maidana a counter stunned him and the body shop foes you know. Get tough when they start bleeding from their noses. He's ways in with his gloves. Looking like hey, sue soda chorus. My leave Cook luffing crumpled on a canvas. It was a risky punch against a risky opponent, but I'm known to take my chances I. Don't Cherry Pick. My opponents for competitive advantage is the best of the best. I ain't afraid to let my oboe except in the main event you by. By Eddie Khan versus Canelo, but it's cool. I just came here to do me, and when I'm through doing me the road to the titles through me Alexander. He's no great. I'm Hannibal. You Got Civil Camp, but I'm a whole different animal and interest you from the UK coug. We've that blood and crip alone unless you want me to turn you to a crisp and you could be Richard Cologne. Dumi you. Let me know when you bring this bell. They call you the king but I mean. Is that really the truth? You fight in a real contender like Toronto and Asama. Smoke your boots. You let you invade. I think Johnny Cahoots. You betrayed e CPI now I got a punch you in booth in the ring. I'm LV slugger. Call Me Babe Ruth throwing right hands like my Donna I'm knocking out your tooth hey. Hey what happened? You was TV caller. The year took L. Across the pond. Now. Your Heart's full of fear Benedict Arnold Loyalty now. It's crystal. Clear I'm knocking you. Take this pillow like justice. Will greer left to the deliver right to the Chin small fish took the sleazy route. Now you've got the shark biting off your fins, a magician in a ring like Anthony Sims. All out like rules line going for the win lineup I'm knocking them down. It's to Manati. You Ain't snatching off. This crowned switched to JJ promotion you only with some clowns got the pet channel. Yellen Dumi me. Put them down. Could. Cut It's time to put out the poll main event up. Mario you the champ how you want to do this? Letting who go first so as you set in the ball? Ego I. Who you facing? Is He. Heard a lot of balls coming for Idris Idriz man a Lotta people put you in a verse today chair was going on. Our Mind, you'll see by the end of the night why my name's enough's. We hear you we have. Before we start I just WanNa make sure, and I'm not tripping I thought we agreed to two rounds, but if we did it then that's cool. I'm good. No. I didn't get an. Ulcer great great was over the show one day last week, and I vaguely remembered like two days ago and I was like was. And I forgot to ask so. That's cool I'm good with that. I wrote a second I. Don't even know as suggestive Sony. Shy, full, okay, cool, perfect mugging! Get along on. Missed almost thought. You want to start and then I hit the bell. Not just display. Although I I. Don't want to affect you guy logo background you on the street and his wet outdo. Shower. I'M NOT I. Sure. My now we you just slip you. I'm about sticky sticky wall. WanNa. Know US run I hit. You with is punch you drinking Straw. Lucky drinking, punch off the dispute say. Never gives going to drop. Look up table on. The champion is stable to a of tomato stasis. Will you have mashed potatoes Saint? Game Mario Bros you bring job battling both on Mickey one-sided like stroke. Could you come? cause. You Ain't gotta purpose stance just shifting licks when I'm in your head, you think getting hit with a sledge wants to stop this ripple effect shop. Your finishing should go straight to live instead POW. POW hitting with ten constantly scripture league could like you him more reluctant. Chicken reds even reference giving you ten. Off His Green Friends Kings pay respect by what to me. I won't break to beat back. Take some. Fall behind shaping. It's you can always come back cash fading GIN. Right. Money May Mongia. You are S. S. It's about to get super ugly. Hit the bell. Cry. The reigning defendant. Six title defences seven and no, the Commission Rodham for two wins. They don't WanNa. See you win. Champ down, wanted to see you. Get a ugly. Let's go. All unreleased say is Idriss can't compete with. Be Ain't no games on playing I'm just saying but respecting your voice when you speak to me, stop complaining your bars complacent get. Up in the ring, so you killed the king. Now you think you fly. Kid heard you cried when you won. Oh, no, it must have been Sinus, so you've got the crown now I guess, but why would it be scared of a King when I've been on the show for years dealing with a high nest, but you sound like Jon snow, but that will make it harder to fight today. You lost your first battle so like Jon snow. You get whipped right away. You Kinda ballsy right Samba Nessa one week, and after that trying to call me like I want my first match memorial. Trust you just talk. You from the UK always pussy call. You salty spice. You spit that one bar that got my attention, but I'm not scared. Do you said that'll be more blood than west coast thugs? I liked it I swear true, but I turn you to a CRIP, and not the Kinda where blue the type that ride around with Blue Tags they rear view. Poll will be out in seconds. DUMI OUT! Mario all scheduled to be out in Siegen does. And we good commission Sony what up. Good to be. What up? A. Months living how I liked the show. This is a fisherman. I think you've got Sun. Announce Right Were you reviewing one of the battles and and I think that you're saying that there might be A. Yeah Yeah I'll much respect to jake WHA roughhouse a mess. You definitely missed. In the middle of this flow in at the end of his slow roughhouse, Kurtz. Oh Okay Rockwell's. Can you more, Sir? Facing the Nevada State Commissioner. Yes, charge held against them. Flag a red flag right now, roughhouse. Yeah, are you? Are you contesting these curses? Did they miss here you or or they correct? Correct Bre Pam. I I can't even front about that man when I dropped bar and I fell off. Occur stint, and then when the. When the cut it could it could. It came on I didn't know I was still on. I thought I was muted man. Coast again because I was pissing myself. Right right all right well. I mean you know that's the technicality disqualification win. I mean. That boy, JP man. He did his time. I mean we hope to see you next week? Man Listen. You gotTA. You know it's hard to swim without getting wet. Naseem Richardson man you had to get in. You. Know and do the best. You can come back next week now all right. We gotTA bring up another matter to the commission. It's looking like the sand that the champ. His lost his title. So. That lyric was pissy. I'd just stumbled it. Like go like if you look at the context, that wouldn't even make sense. The other word? I mean you would have to bring me listen to the commission and we would have to review the lyric. A serious. Is. Why don't we just go ahead with the vote? Right and then will let them well. There's no vote were disqualified, so you you have to. That's saying you. Didn't get the vote. If. If he fumbled right and it's. If, you said the bad word. On a fumble I, Dunno out, that's. Well they're saying it's too bad. Words, said you also said a UK bad word. I mean. I mean like we really going to nitpick damn and now I mean the people have been on here noticed. They said they say you said shape or she yeah Shite. Yes, the UK curse, but I didn't know we were. We were forbidden to say curse words in your after we have. Yeah, I thought this was. Long. Hardcore, hardcore curse words where the problem like late. Commission. This. Let me. Ask the Commission on. Listen listen. Let me let me get the Commission on I. GotTa go over the tape. Society What's going on Sony? Are we including different languages. Curses. The UK stuff? Yeah. All come to a consensus on that. Joe I understand the fumble Morio you did fumble. Pissy said Pussy Go like I WANNA, go back and listen. Down to weird I thought it sounded like a combination of both words. Saying that's not a curse, his so seven or four zero American. He said ain't no curse Hebrew. So. The fight was was taking place in the states right? Here in America. I? He. He each got the bill, he he. He got the bill over this. So as I've used young, seventy said, this is America what the Hell is. Somebody said Mario Controversy type imperial. Sony you to Commission A man. What you doing you which is to? John I think. If we'RE GONNA make that legal. It's gotta be illegal after the fact. I keep spitting stuff, not knowing and. because. We didn't know you know what I'm saying. I, mean Sony. What are you GonNa like? Decide or you need, but I'm good. I'm playing. Off for that then that's. I mean it doesn't make sense to be only. Is He racy duck for six months, but today he's in chats on my. That's a worldwide curse. You. Know Super. Super y'All Mario can't get a fair shake Hashtag corruption big supermax. Pro. Fishy never give me fair show finally. Understood, it but I want. Sony's this. Sony is that. Would you ruin? I'm only going on what I heard in either more even more. You'll saying that he did come. Idiots say pussy because he fumbled his words, so he actually admitted. Leaned I said I didn't say that at all. I said it sounded like a combination of both words like go back. It was a stumble. Darrow saying they say Pussy on cartoons. And and you remember the car. The context is Utah The pussycat doll from the UK No. It's gotTA BE CONTEXT BECAUSE IF. I say. Man I I'm not part of the corruption. Sony keeps mutant himself. As a real. Turning. Off Mario had a play on words. He said in any set a group right after that, did you? Did you not say? Let me let me let me get. Let me, get. Idris address you obviously faced. Mario would did you hear? What do you think you heard? What do you expect to happen how? were. Envisioning discipline seems like the commission doesn't really have a true hand-drawn it look. Everyone knows the rules in it. You can't Chris Money. If I knew loopholes using to try, boss would have had plenty about the words. You don't say. That's number one number two minute as far as. I WanNa know what cartoon says the Word Pussy. Where you're watching your calls. Amy But Josie and the. Cartoon I'm just saying. You know I'm trying to say you gotta try to sway things. Man Listen. The word is alerted eat. Almost no, no, no I. Don't mind. Listen I. don't care. You can take it a D. Q. Surfing. Voting and then make their decision. They take it and you. Can't. That's supposed to be no vote. And if you disqualified, there is no vote. But. Decision on that if you had to go to. Go exactly. Screaming like. This go to. Then you. Go, onto. The words instead you know what I'm trying to say. That's a disqualification yet and I don't want to one. Say in my burst. We can go. If, it was said it came out like that exact lot, so let's. Dude this man. Would is. How. y'All, wants his win man, he said the word is the word you said it I. Heard it. I heard, but I thought it was a word of play like I thought you said. I thought you said Pussy and then. I thought you said spice girls. It's over sport real quick. It's you from the UK and always pissy. Call. You salty spice. See spy so. You from the UK always pissy or pussy like it was like you know what I'm saying, so don't. But, that's what I'm saying. We heard it do. We can enlarge it up and play. One of the I gotTA rewind. He keeps saying the tape is GonNa, Somebody. Get the tape like we. We start giving out results because we definitely got some winners. We going out to the I battle. That was a greatness and Sony, and it looks like we have a winner Sony coming in with thirty six. Votes and excuse me greatness coming in with forty six votes and Sony coming in with just eight, so we're GONNA go to greatness on his post. Fight Greatness. How are you good morning? Congratulations on the win. And improving your neck and. We hear you hear. What do you improve your records with this winter? What. I got I got to with cash. one by now. React! US. Quick, but I got that laws. Are Eagerly and. The water chat massage. And he's saying we want cash he's. He's got to wins over cash and one win over one win over today. And then he said I lost champs or I think he's saying he's like three in two or three and three. You Yeah Yeah, oh. Yeah I'm here. I'm here off. Rip Off! Rip It as three and three men definitely your. Ami Better you. Better. You hit casual. Keep jumping your ring where he say. Or Yeah I. Mean that's that's normal cash. Man That that that's why we got boxing Bosnia saying. But Yamashiro part you dear when I'm saying, we gotta keep this energy going if any, if anybody got to spit today, spit those laws where one ball to bar more. What I'm saying, shall I say everybody on a con man? Every week, man, it's a shock. I got us working man y'all have really got US work. Mid Salutes tr men Ness holy down then I I know that There was some ups and downs, but we ready to make your workman box in Boston show that we. Won't. We won't make it work. I'm being told the I. Curse that suge back said was damn that ain't. Bad come on man listen listen bristles. Listen. He said there. But. It was paused to me. If, he said the he said, listen to me, listen to me if he said the F. were after already said cut it. It don't matter that that Hanks's minute is. He says at minute and minute one. Oh One, don't mattis. He can say whatever He want Roughhouse Aka Silver Bellamy. Action Question. Is the first curse the word Damn. Well, he only wants I guess. I'm here I'm here brought my. yeah. It was, it was down because I was like Damn Law Nah Nah. That ain't no curse words. A curse word listen guys. They voted. They voted anyway. Right and you win anyway, but that's not occurs damning curse, and whatever you said after the bell is after the Bell, only way where we could disqualify us of like you hit after the bell and I guess the Commission can make that room moving forward that occurs after the bell is punching after the bill, but right now there's no precedent for that, and said that bell was imputation was afternoon. It. was after because I never heard it I'm the one that hits cutted. Insane? He didn't say he didn't say. It was way after the. Way To cut it to man because I thought I was muted for while wow. That's what I'm saying like. Skype don't understand that like like look I'm afraid myself. Him You understand, and that's what on inside, so maybe they heard you but the show. They can't find it on. Audio is all I'm saying. Because by the time one minute hit I hit cut. It faded you also whatever you were saying. We couldn't hear it. Stainless is saying now that you said if you see Kay but against trauma was it after the mini, or in his verse Brenston Song. WHO's also part of the commission rough. House will be back to you I just want to clarify. It doesn't really matter JP from Long Beach. I'll be talking to you and your post. Fight interview because you came in with seventy seven percent wins which I want mean to take. Take Notice J.. P. Has Seventy seven percent win for whatever reason. The last battle had thirty eight votes versus able. That's Patriot and I ain't got nothing to do with that because I see my conspiracy theories on mean running around tomorrow. Oh, why Malvo's percentages and other people got numbers like dude. Get a loss and they don't know how they got lost. They start looking at the stars and everything. It's crazy. Now now I'm in charge of percentages and numbers now man votes that soul, but jp from Long Beach looks like you've got the win stainless. If you want to come in and I, guess give us what you believe you heard and when you believe you heard it, if not, we can move on. Guys. It was when he messed up, he said down there. It's like be last week when I battle Sony and I messed up and I and I yet I'll fuck under my. You were talking over him, so you didn't hear. We hear donor, but. If I'm talking over him, that means his verses done I can't talk before. Know when he stopped what he messed up and he was like no keep going. I, just heard right now. Oh, that's different. This is. GonNa sound like he said that the minute I wanted to, I wanted to say. I thought it should be counted like if a referee. Pauses the FI calls a time out for the fight? Because that's kind of what happened like he was about to quit, he wasn't gonNA. Wrap anymore, and then you said you don't have to stop just because you fell off. It's all part of. It only. semantics at this point because it would only matter if betting if the voting was a little bit closer, it would only matter because then he have an argument, but. Landslide I'm just explain how I took it. J., p., what's up, man? First think I'm going to ask you when you post. Fight interview with you flirted the line you floated the line. I heard maybe three boxing references. And they came very late in verse man, what was the thought process behind not really sticking to the script or or the theme of box? That was dangerous. That was dangerous man. I'm not liking this. E c. t promotions right now. I'm thinking about leaving. The promotion of feels like my. Got, their promoters turn on me damn near, but no, yeah, you definitely right you definitely right? I got to put more things in there, so yeah but shoutouts rappers today man. Everybody got real busy today, so it's really really good day for boxing bars. So I mean you got your first win which direction you're trying to go now. Oh, I thought I was going to have casual. It was to have casual Soi loaded the clip for him. I'm mean cast. Don't don't don't come for me unless you really read. I'm ready. I know your style already. Vote for you. We up next you. A place. Like. He ain't win I know. I'm just. A side is they don't care where he wins or loses. They want a B.. P. So I'm you, promote I'm going to get back with you on turn. Get let me know your terms, so you won't casual, but what's the terms, but congratulations on the win? If you don't got anything else because I don't WanNa. Make Short man. This is your post fight. Saw Good family. Yeah, I won't cash. Are The clips loaded down? Box. High. So we got up J. P. A.. I voted for you felt like the bars were great That's why they really wanted to feel like you took that. No matter what, but you know it is what it is. Ya'll so damn cash quarter. Her. Hold. Your? Yo Cyp got eight minutes left. You never know he might get a last minute. Voters Eight. Is Seventy seven percents twenty three percent. Data Y'all they listened. They got such. Powell as they got a Lotta votes. Let's bring a CYP I and we'll get to. The winner necks Cyp Man. Is It a concern? Was it the microphone. What's going on chip? This listening man I do not percents I'm Amanda might work. This is Josh Oh y'all got a grip of dunes on here. Who Don't let me think about this if if an audit got the. If Roy Mayweather one is. With that five loss, you got people just literally come in to vote negative on somebody else. If you tell me that his his flow is more memorable, you. May Have you. Go to the. Super Bowl like I got crazy like memorable lines, but if y'all all that jazz coup, but I do notice that my that all of a sudden your care so much about cats is. That Kashmir to see what he got the most books that everyone can vote. A week ago, see the kid, but now all of a sudden y'all come on, and so we know. Came to put me down but I. On the door and I'm a senior. Deem momentum over. Right. Yo My man, no be lying. Nada conspiracies in. He'd be lying in fact. I said the facts check out J. P. versus silverback at forty four votes. Greatness versus Sony Forty seven votes. Casu- WEASLEY versus C. Y.. P fifty seven votes. Breath, I think that's the most that we've had Chiampou emoting champion in a controversial laws coming in at seventy four percent versus the disqualification when Idris of the UK with twenty six percent, only equaling forty-three votes cash, you officially show the not only were the first to have a pay per view, but you are the first with the most votes. The public is special, but. The Real Hoya Mayweather sites. Keep a real. This was cash. Best verse ever thought so Z. Y. P.. R. U. P. is trying to say he memorable lines in getting. Maybe maybe maybe like maybe I feel the way I feel because like I've watched the evolution of cash and his crazy. Eddie point we you know like crazy week ten and he sounded as good as he did. Seventy five percent casualties twenty five percents. You WEAP-. E I got seventy four someone else vote. I got a refresh. They still evolving yellow, still people vote in for them bre still vote and let me see I refreshed what we got. No, that was that was some Or Power Higher Ogden this though. Find it! Oh where who who? Going to go. Back I've seen. We've had some nice. Let me Let me see if there's a way to do. Yeah, we definitely have biggers. Ratios and Hey Hey. Hey, cast nobody! Can. Be Great. Faxes facts? Decision don't have to be a first round knockout caz. Let me ask you. Know Sippy Dowse said. SUPERCHIEF and BG down that boy got cook. Joke is or you go make C.. P. Never rap boxing balls again. Because you know that's what he's gone now now now he should be able to fit. You know. He's talking because he was that confident. I did not cry would go against him, so he had to come harder than you. which I thought was funny. And the gay tapping my shoulder, saying you who that was funny, but you know my father memorable. I told him I was a poet, and he pulled out the pen and. Saturday blew up in his face and. Now it was crazy. It was crazy and I say he's my biggest win on. My Shit, so is on my on my living. Love. Did you guys want to go over the tape because I've been holding this this video. Let me finish. I want to rely showing up. To get. I WANNA. Take Games for giving me the opportunity to face. I can see why people showing up. Giving his best in giving me this victory. And I WANNA take aegis. KAZAA got my our him, and he sounded kind of week I think. I could take him before JP. ooh! I Oh y'all see why P.. C. P. Climate back in the Ring Brian. Lamb come back. counterpunch Yoyo. Listening I, said. If I lose I'm not, I'm not in the more. I was seriously unlike your work everything I say. If I cannot win with his pocket. Take the. Whole the whole. Dan, he's got. Hey. You're talking about this yard. My counterparts noma. Five talk talking to my. Shut up. I'm trying listen you. Put me in a room with people don't know us, and we stick open it flows. He lose I had no chance of winning the boys. John. David Cook you anyway anyway, let's. Taken, your taking his. Name check do boxing is brought. Is Not that serious? Let Me Stop Hating. Check. With me. Through Your your time is up, but can you spit a bargain verse again because you know we've asked people to do that before. Let's see you know. Sometimes. They gotta be you know reevaluated. Allah minded a down there you would. You do sound a little bit. Hollow like if the room is empty, keep telling you microphone. Look. We said that about is he man like? Stage Presence Champs so it could be the microphone at the balls. Aimed related to the audience clearly isn't me. Hear me better now way better. Yeah, way better. Okay I'm on the phone now. I'm to phone y'all. About. Audience Ready to write trash. He's garbs before I speed like last all right here we go, we go. We go listen this this. Tell them how your day went. BOTCHY WANNA, football field not to pilot, only beating me Thailand. Often much to go. To the Super Bowl. Route one who for remember the justice the crowd like. New only time to get his attention when a game. Be Like you. Had some chocolate. He's attacked with two bottles that you could. Stop resume dress to. Google! Concert Atop Turbo crowdgate help to look, but if a guy without steroids got more your. Nets waving the flag, many torn and the child. The whole screen Cyp got to choose now for orange. were minute. Remember you can't hear it to be seen. Without see the in your see, you might be right. Remember? Before you challenge. These bars live are going to love. WE SPLIT UP I want to. Let me know. Keep it did. A different. Definitely better, definitely better service with Hollow Room is the audio I'm telling you can't use Bluetooth man I I keep telling besting iphone headphones with the built in microphone, but let's hear it. We got A. Hold on listen to cash. ME. Love. How let me get to the super. Chaz because you notice definitely a lot of people. Say, some team we got David says you can't bend the rules just for Mario de Q.. Sorry, Mario Lose. Big SUPERMAC came back with another. We say the votes Char nist. Now the voters are influenced uh-huh BC, ringer and Supermax Damasio busy Ringa says he said Damn only, and no one heard the F. Word, Yo. He got robbed because everyone thought he cussed, so they went against him shaking my head. He had Baas PG Darrell we said that. When that boy got good C. P with the counterpunch, we got to him. Real Najjar to case casual easy with the WIND CYP is done. And then John NATO says Cyp's Charlie Xenon of brother Whoa. They went hold on him and he said that. Don't lie, say Yo. You got dudes calling them out his name just over a battle rap. And and I would say. In, your defense, right? People don't like him. The people who don't like him gone, choose me anyway, but I still gotta come with something correct we got. that. From, intrigue, the Duck, Hunter or rather the duck, the duck from Atlanta, says Cyp one French. Toast promotions buying votes, TB t shirts, meanwhile, people complaining that I haven't even censored. Ivan G with this super-charged says Cyp have pretty good bars. So. US going to hate for hate, sake you are up? Easy y'know I've been visualizing as Winstons last. Saturday, the odds are against, may with the money is all may cast dropping. You lay a surprise. Just like your birthday. A relevant elegant eloquent UK holiday affair. Body Shah for Joel, awkward like one three legged chairs, bring the champ up I'll get applause because land clean up a cut. You thought I will be easy, but you my biggest win a J. and J. Tragedy Earl Spencer. Only reason I can't knock you out because this is boxing boss and now border wars. There's no baton pass onto your bird. John this relay race. This my pace tastes sour how you got it. How would okay Jim Slaughter shots taking penetrate, and not not via nate and no take this cremation Memento Carlos laying on the ground horizontal. Let Dragevic Count Yoko Ono dose stray Quattro a told you. I was a poet. Got You to pull out the pin like gray suicide blew up in your face. The the. Man I forgot what it was. Fast. Yo Sick You del. Performance in the first one. You kinda rush that one, but yo was phya though it was just too much. Too much first of all. He called them Carlos, which was his real name. then. He say you layin horizontal. You Know Dracula each one two three quattro that was. That was fire. It was a lot of fire in it to. Go real quick to chat real quick MAURICI says. I think you've got to establish the box bars rule. Yes, at J.P didn't have enough. But I didn't hear any boxing bars for Mareo. Just being honest CYP sounded better second time peace to all yet champ. Yeah, we take that You know the references to boxing serious. Actually I think that's one of the requirements that you know. You gotta have in their noticeable. Changed the vote, but his it ended y'all see why you spit that second. Sam and it went from twenty, four, twenty six. Yeah man counterpunch Cyp back. To. Anybody notice. He said he'd been visualizing victory since last Saturday. Some somebody, somebody somebody, help me out. Did we make this battle official last? By now, but last Saturday when he said you'll, I'll take Cyp. It was on an. Online. I! Don't remember accepted his challenge that right, but if he visualizing me, Go, Koo, but all I know is this dodge? Chick had already with hate, no before I finished, and then she uses my own reference. Air Bob Barr to Disney, but he got more memorable. About that. Is so good to use them against me and Calcutta's finish twice. Say it again, saying that Spanish use my real name just for your to remember, but guess what you already knew. My real name. I don't understand how. Joe But. You who is a play on words? You know what I mean, 'cause you you. You had to perform the Yoohoo because you was a gay man tapping on cash shoulder, so she's you know playing on words for you like you know. Like you, who you know I, think our. No, maybe not. You need to call. She does call in every time and time, and we don't know, but we're gonNA open up the callers. We've gotten everybody Oh we didn't get. To do me or you dress? DUMI! You know what I'm saying. Do me an amine and then. Having China Russia I haven't checked out yet. Oh, either. I see now that I mean lost. Twenty eight percents seventy two percent total fifty three votes for dooming. The elite one do meet a sleeper, so let me go to King I mean on the post fight interview. Away on blogs online on skype today. What's up with that I? Now he had he took the kid somewhere I think oh. Yeah he ain't even on. Chant. Super Chapman TJ. Don't ever mention the per view without Tj Scrub Ohio on it. He does it like that I mean I mean? From what I and RIQUET STU arguing with the Commission about getting that fight overturn. He felt like there was some you know. We things going on with the vote, and so he only look at that as a lowe's. you know I haven't heard anything. But. See I told you don't. Say, greatness to Yo Caz lined up. He coming off a two back to back east film. He. Just. He has CLEO caddy. Collared He. Tries his Keiko cash. Caz. I'm opened up the phone lines. Man, because I'm not long post on dum dum. No, you while embrace you out again, win after win. They might have. They might be scared you now. You heard that you heard that ladies and gentlemen. They have to send the best spite a chance. I is doom ninety out. Here is the dooming. I'm. Not. Saying King I mean I look King I mean already knew king was going to bring some he. Out The king I mean. Definitely a worthy opponent I was surprised actually that he took to Very serious fights back to back I gotta give him credit on that, but. I would took an in-between fight. Man Like I said man. You Ain't snatching off this crown, you switched over the JJ promotion. You only was clowns chat. They put you in a fight with dog. It was supposed to do that. You're supposed to take an in between. Get your own confidence. Levels backup, and then try to come at the kid man, but I still give you credit. And I'm a stay humble, and my in my and my win man I ain't GonNa talk to which is. To Go keep a g and. I look forward to to the next opponent right now. I might just take low break. Totals in. Take a break. I'll know I'll know. I gotTA. Talk With Ham and you know. We always got cooking in the back because EC takes. A. Next toughest challenge. That's all Sony Do. He just offers the toughest things out there and I. Go I think Mario and Dumi should go at it now. They do me lost. Mario Lost Idris Watch what they come up with something crazy. It's all good. Champion. A Go ahead finish now I mean you know at. Some point is. We go. We got super. Go ahead. We Got Barbie. Says Do Minardi with the w? Like four or five emojis great job to everyone. Clap Emoji than we got DB X. who says he won't be looking like Adkins, throwing in a twist to laughing are loud emojis then we got. Chicken U. K. who says. Damn Bro I'm living in your head. RENT-FREE CYP done you. That's TJ, who says controversy and Dumi I'm witted, never scared, cool Emoji, but the glasses. Chain Like you know and I don't know if we make in this lecture addition for us to re-route you. Re We spit are? You one you and you entitled winners could do it like what I don't like his loser to be like Yo. How we hear this like that's that's influencing but. That's only that's only if the people want to own. They wanted. A heat. Four hundred likes. Back I'll spit it right now rescinded hand. Mean like right now. I so while we wait for those likes GonNa take call a Caesar Valence Bro. I'm sorry aegis. No disrespect. You know what it is, you gotta remember I mean. I though to make sure that he was comfortable with the win and get historic on the way he has had a proper. You're right. You're right. You're right I. Apologize, but that's why I slipped my mind Idris! I know I know they're trying to paint me as a shady. Promote this. What happens when you got seventy eight size? You understand I got seventy sides on my. House to take. Mere Misdemeanor Mara Book. Moore's emplacing from. Up in the. Let's through just this this. Again, Right now oh, so you don't feel comfortable with win I mean. Most of those know no matter what An. Just just for fun. You don't say go ahead. Before. Let's let see why. PM counterparts for the haters in this way not in erupted, and he's not waiting CYP. Our. Yoyo I WANNA. Say Seventy all the UK do who originally came on here fourth, but you see what happened your duct me. Fatmi cast so y'all can use him to stop me from coming from young. That's which are did your used cast to stop me from coming, and so, but the truth of the matter is this. Open invitation for anybody from the UK real chick. Talk A lot I. DON'T WANNA. Embarrass because you're female, but you can't be real wearing a week, but I. I want to do that, too, but anybody else Jacob Big Nick All. You're talking in the chat rider two times because that's what I'm here for the very hugh stop hiring beyond Americans go job. All the time wanted to get American traders. To help. Me Yourself on up Chapman. opened up potential our scared. Same seizure see the only thing I like about Cyp. Is the hand eye knowledge? His lyrics like that was I, it was good knowledge. My men don't be saying only memorable. I mean listen. I listen. You got a you can't Bible teaches you. You can't control what you can't control. You GotTa Take Your Way and take your Lord Lord. They'll know what they're doing. I'll get it. Let me get out. I will since you technically new champ, or you want Mario to spill. Out Do I. WanNa Spit. And then Mario, sheep about? Get along, you say. Get off the Bluetooth for whatever you want, man you got. some way of, robotics. Game. Is Second. So Dumi. How's it feel? What are you now? Four? No three and no I got to leave it up to the commission. Because, I don't know. How. Would you say Idris? You muted yourself. Garden? I May. Go let's. You want the bell. Not. Just no, Satin listen. Bob In. We've you just talk about to pick your old Lacombe sticky. What when a US ironic if I hit you with his money game. Speech and Much Shit just coming here, but with a partner. We in. You would have been disqualified in a real. Fuck. Minia like. Give me some bookings. Don what you're saying. This, Metaphor! Dot. COM, listen. Hey. None. Let. US In the back of sign monopoly a we've you just slip dock about? Stick your. Can you walk when a Nelson Roenick by hitching? Punch you. Drink cannot drinking a punch up, but say a TIO label Mr gives going to chuckle hut, potato. From the champion stable to a tomato basis. Will you have a mashed potatoes is seen a game like Mario, Bros.? You can even bring the out. Your both I'm a Mickey. One side Kevin Strokes because you ain't got proper stance. You just tripping your legs when I'm hitting your head, you can think to gain hit with. A ripple effect McCoy shouting. You're finishing been St Paul Street to live instead POW POW getting ten cost crippled legs, looking junk like you sippy some more blood donor chicken orig- even giving you ten with off screen sprint kings dead pay. This let me break a sweat. beat me! Take some pets and above shaven heads. You can always come back catch again. I Baba, but I'm saving heads, and you always come back and catch this fade again. You need goes right for me. Though man I got a better floor. Just keeping it real. You know you got. Into that. missed. Impossible standards you gotTA delivered it with Passion Dog. You heard how it sounded. When recited it back, Brazil I. Know But. Baba. But he's on the phone, would you? Say That again Dan. I was hot. Just Oh quick Edo. SKYPE anymore like why? Why are you on the phone that is skype is just the other Scott thing. He got a bad bluetooth on. The second time last week he had to crazy like. Last week I heard it again whisked eggs. Jit now this. Though it was like issue. Would you say? Has. Said, I said this is this the kings did pay respect, but this is to me. I won't break a sweat to eat meat. Take some pets Bob I in heads you can always come back catches paid against. This. Maria only here. We used shits. I A Baba but I'm saving heads. Again come back and cast. Are On hearing. That are here, my background. No, no okay cool. They slay crazy thunder, if Hurricanes out the. Rose coming right at me, like right now. you in the eye to start over. The Internet stays cool for the Joyce fight. Go around! Las Vegas. have to I. Don't care. It's not you guys is to monitors I'm reading here. No okay cool if you want me to do it and. What are we doing? Okay, okay. Yo is so real. Quick I want to say okay I'm not a good singer I. Get that, but if you don't get that, that's from. The nod as Jay z like the most classic. Battle beef like you're just not a hip hop fan, so forget you but yo. You heard it right. I cool Expected a shoes less month second verse. necessarily. All I'm really saying all I'm I'm just going to spit diverse. You already know a terrible, so you killed the king. Now you think you fly. Kid heard you cried when you won, it must have been sinus. You got the crown now I guess why would be scared of a king when I've been on the show for years dealing with a high ness, but you should you, but you sound like Jon snow, and it would be hard to fight today. You lost your first battle so light Jon Snow you? You get whipped right away. Kinda ballsy right signed with one week and already trying to call me like I want my first match memorial trash. You just talk Shite. You from the UK and always pissy. I. Call You Salty Spice. You spit that one bar got my attention, but I'm not scared. Dude, you said something about bloods and West, Coast Doug's I, liked it I. Swear true, but all out turn you to a and not the Kinda wear blue type the right around with Blue Tags and they rear view. was though the tags and the River Yeo. Say Handicap is balls Bro. He said he wasn't any way of Bono's that you what? No no listen. They're all in my second verse. I should've just split them up. I should split. I don't know I don't know how that became makes up to begin with when when you said to. I look I'm curt auden. Mentioned it. Go ahead I'm sorry it's just just people out there because you gotta intrigue my manager. Come on, let go cham- nobody I. Hear Conspiracy theories buying bow to tell this crap. I listened to the bone. Look I took it i. even even just you know. Even though it was a I, had the tape I got the time stamp to where you said a pussy. Excuse my French, but so regardless you that lit. Yeah for lyric though. you didn't have boxing references and that killed you and then I automatically. When you said Oh, I thought it was versus, but is okay I'm like Nah is not okay. It intrigued tree just like I. Remember that you had two verses one time, and you're ready for two verses, and ended up having to spit one verse, and that was kind of fair. Because you know you, you, you basically had. trained for a two round fight. You know and you had squeeze your whole planet to one. So you know back. That messed you up because you had no boxing references really on that. They were all in the secular. Split it up I should have just did it real quick? Because they all. They're all in four bars sequences so all do being pace. We have supercharged. We got Vincent macari. Who says E- juris has tag, not my champion wall. Real nausea chicken, a UK says Cyp, getting all salty impersonal. Bro I don't wear weaves. Do your research before chat and Gaca loser with a to laughing online emojis? I love with Nasseri Super. Me Get to who who. Call US now, right? Are we ready to get the callers? It China disqualifying me for the for the headband. Talking about his son in. Law just like yeah. That's why. I A-. Gypsy King You. You should take a vacation. Do me take a vacation. Let them even take you out the rankings youtube. Mario we should just be host man because the chips are stacked against. A! Guys still talking about do me, gotTa laws. Four wins exactly, but they saying that he got a loss right and then. For now for for for not showing up that TOM versus izzy meanwhile. Intrigue gotTA lows and Ain't nobody saying he got. Laws is a lot of corruption. Man I think we should just play host man for this, but. Let's get out to these calls. We could wrap this up Branson. ATTY talk to us. Can you hear me? is or On the. Each battle remember the first win a JP silverback. If it was a regular rap battle. JP would one, but it's Buxton. Bars even with the spend a silverback ham more boxing bars. So I gave him the win in that when. Somebody. was like a Sony the best versus but you know it just. He went up against a better man I think greatness. Probably, one of the most underrated Gad that'd be spin him stainless. Thog data when the greatness. The controversial CYP cash of. Me My PF had were so. I probably live with a hater I don't really give a fuck, but I gave at the cash man I mean his verse was better. The second time around that Boo Andrei, Barbas Nice, but the. Other stuff just underwhelming to need you. Who in the Super Bowl and just one that crazy I expect him to come with the aggressively comes. We don't his calls. He was kind of more laid back on his. Version of notice was cash. We a Versi, bit shock the hell out of me. I'm starting to think you're doing me. wrote there for you, brother. Do me style. He's straight Rita. Take that as flattery dog now on flat. Clear Mario Guy his own delivery style I have my own delivery man I messed up in the past. I had gems in my past, but I didn't rhyme more learn how to rhyme more, so you could carry the lyrics home which are up. I. Get you to Win Day to win. Part the On mean, Bill Me. I didn't vote because I thought that was a draw. That was one of the more that's about the second round, bocom on the super crazy, and as far as the main of. This the first time you vote on a fight. After like a draw. I'm not gonNA vote. But but far as the main event Mario met you regardless of. Egypt's was harder than you just week. Names I'm not offend. Said I feel you've got like right, but I know we've got. Boxing, bars, and how? Cut Out. alchemy like. Still Gone. Already then we're. GonNa Move Onto Caesar in Las Vegas Talk to us. says. Good Morning Guys Man Great Battles. I jumped in a little late. But Mario Battle was was pretty dope. I enjoyed it a lot. I'm I'M GONNA have to agree with random I. Think I think even without the stumble I die. Egypt's disbars were just come in hot man. It was just like one after the other. He was just sitting you with flurries man. I'm becoming a Idris Fan right now. Man, shout out to eat. You came in. Because the week. So. But other than that man great battle. And Grey show guys TBB, for His record like full people like he could be undefeated right now. They want. They said that last week he could have been for no guests. Though I ain't bothering shaven heads Cash Y. You married now. Else Spit that Dracula John. That was fire. Memento Carlos laying on that ground Zahn toll. Draws your. Way Cuarto that was fire how you connected Carlos in horizontal, but laying on the ground so bringing it back to boxing I see you chant. That chant! And Rocky Ledge no because superbox in reference to me, Yo, but then you flip the back to your heritage culture like those threats quattro. Today was your day. You you, you definitely did better than say this best verse I ever heard from Sony, best verse I've heard from cash. All those were great versus learn more. No, but. Last caller surburb destroy weeks in a row I'm just stuck on the ball. He been killing from day one now I'm stuck on a Bobbin line, but I know he had way more fire in the beginning, but that barber line was like our loved it. You know may cause. He liked you. Always come back and catch the state. And its voice to you got to compete with the voicemail. Get Mad, acting jobs, as could invoice all do me. We're actually talking about that. The other day is the voice. That's why I decided to try to get creative at the beginning. You should've been really by by sparring partners man, I know. I know I just try to get creative always like now, try something different. Aged. Just get the pressure of your show. Shoulders menace hard to win every week I. Just I wanted to I just wanted to entertain it. It'd be. Against Boxing. I don't even know you know what to say i. know what you mean. Mario 'cause I wanted to deliver my lifestyle and visualizing Winstons last Saturday, and I. About Dr, but it sounded good. Choice. That's what I'm saying as you make the right choice. Sometimes you make the wrong choice. Oath is about entertaining. You know what I'm saying like it. If everybody just spitting in bars over and over, and nobody's like mixing up the flow. That's why it's cooled at Egypt because he's different. You know what I'm saying. It's have a you different. You know I mean different like everybody has their own style like you know what I'm saying it's. It's better about boxing bars y'all. Chat supercharge. We got one from AH fire. On fire, him says. Moore, you'll gap body by Brit. Three Lot emojis. y'All. They called me Manchester more. They not do it on purpose. Then we got the next from from boxing. Expert says. Casual easy already. Gave Cyp he tried to do. He tried to be sleep or all caps for everything else, but see why P name he put it in lower case takes. Your Hay. Fever. Casual easy already gave CYP permission to wrap. Why is he still crying by wheezy killed? You. Three. Modes. See, why P. You trending by, you gotTA learn. You Gotta learn like like like like like like re Ruis right he laws, but he's still got global. So you know C., y. p. man. You can't say TB WITHOUT CYP in it we're going to. Owe Blind when he said. That's a catch phrase used to use on saying that's. Jp Talk to, US. Already have mayes ness already had my call? You don't WanNa. Talk about the other versus everybody else Oh yeah yeah. I I definitely. They were everybody was fired today. You know what I'm saying I'm really surprised at how do like in way better greatness off today That was a tough battle Sony went off. You know this was the best. Only everybody said that was a tight battle on. Both dudes was like they was up there with Do me in A. What do we do me do today? thinking. Back. To. Win It's who he do today like. You was a killer a week ago. Now. Oh, he do! I actually thought to me. This was the best army to me. I voted for a mean to be honest with you, but do me you know. Do Me is a tricky dude. He he do a Lotta things with it so I was adult battle mail like I said all about it was cast. Did his thing see P., did his hang on a second. Listen back you are you kinda felt the emphasis more than I definitely feel some things. The First Army went. But yeah, but. Thing to men and Mario Idris. I just had a bar for Bar right there. You Know I. Think Mario Mida. slept on a bit because he thought he had a mean I. Think I think. Mario has some epochs stuff for Internet ready for me, and he probably let his guard down a bit for Idris in a you know. He came in and got him so the belts over. Ronnie's Bro. This guy right for. You. That's a good marriage. Last week Mario was obsessing two weeks ago. Told my old next week. I'm coming on means fighting a tug twenty shows up against my advice. It was a blazer. Tugs Blazer. Make me sound like some three weeks. Three weeks. Name. For three weeks, nobody noticed it before three weeks. That means name in his even this verse. providing. Like doll. You? May! Not Upset at the super fight, not taking a blueprint I'm frustrated with dues. Don't take the mayweather blueprint I, there is no one as good as you. That's how mayweather always did it. It ain't it ain't by WHO I'm. Fight next is who I'm giving an opportunity to. Keep talking about the challenge of the challenge. You got caught up in that and now we might be the best on ECP. You know because Iran is. counterpunch branded Maurice. I feel like we need to find out. Do a quick poll for like most improved rapper man. Most improve I think. We got that man. For real that, listen Bra if I if I didn't give it to him. It's only because they always brian good. Sony would be somebody. I think deserve a nod to. I'm with Brandon outdoor CYP. Was GonNA come more? You know what I'm saying. He came more laid back even at the end of lies ball was like. This is like you know what I'm saying. He didn't have that normal. We I think we had expectations. You know. He thinks it's a conspiracy. I think people just had an expectation. Of what they were going to receive from him, based off his calls like Brandon said, which has a counterpunch. Can you hear me now? Yeah, call concert got cut off I had a call come in, but Yagi Gate at a made admit Egypt's. MIASMA center for weeks. I'm starting to send some writer's block. which is you know typical? You mentioned trying to defend your titles like Shit every week so I know it could get rough on. Just making a new clever boxing bar so. You know if you really chant bows back next week. And fanning, but let me ask you something ness 'cause. I is thicker at town. Somebody has got to be some conspiracies and this new Hayden. UNEDU Hayden the narrative owner show that UK trolls don't support TV's. Now. We're saying the U. K trolls went to patriotic and drove sand up pace around and just a hate somebody like Nah. Just let me. Look. Let me. Check got any. The Patriot numbers go up this week. Let's check. We didn't we didn't? We didn't get any sign up today? And it lasts new Patriot. Walkout was later and that was years. Refresh hold on. Exhibit on the twenty-third so's been two days since anyone Santa Up. Coach Midi. So, so so we saying that because that's what we say, Hey, don't see. UK throws. It I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. interesting to see what the public thing yeah I mean. There were any new well I mean that doesn't mean that the existing UK Patriots. didn't vote against him, but I hear you. You did kill the narrative that people signed up just to. Vote against them. Cans Ken. Alba Stone. He took over Stone Ken says Mario won that battle crazy. Activate, the rematch clause champion, of course you know. Everybody knows you know the champ always just a way Joshua rematch. An and you can hear Idris saying you know he wasn't a completely satisfied. That's why allow Mario to spit again, but I think that Mario Spinning again was like the nail on the coffin because. Emphasize how it's. The CYP has a CPI four counterpunch. It emphasized how many few box bars that were in there or references. pecan punch. To counter. Shoe or so random picked up his old spiracy. Did nobody say New People signed up just a hey. What are you talking about? Alcohol and Nilo Mexican fan base alcohol it on the UK UK fan base I go everybody out. The nist advocate came off a tech more you. What are you talking about like boy? I'll go after everyone. I've got friends in the Journal. Also, which you talking about, you just make up stuff, but the to matters is. My paddle got more votes than any battle usually does so. That means that people do Patriot for some reason. Wanted to vote. But see why p negative or positive why? That's the conspiracy. You think are two hundred eighty three people often American. Men, don't try to help could go and just again. Facts casual easy. Mississippi has fifty eight votes and Dumi and I mean has fifty three votes. And let's see what the did. Because all these polls are ended now, Mario the former champ versus Idris has forty five votes greatness Sony. Has Forty nine votes. JP silverback has. Forty six votes so still pretty much All comparable, but definitely see why P versus casual has. Let me double check again. Do we have fifty three and got fifty eight, so they got five more votes five more votes just for context. Mario check that I think that's Jonathan actually. I'm going to go with Jonathan. Jonathan what up in Ohio? With had me. Saddam. More ready. Is over we dowd. I'm. Two Thousand Twelve I've been listening though, but I'm in North Carolina, though, but nevertheless a man it was, it was good. Battles I'm not going to sit here and lie. I didn't catch J. P.. And I believe silver, but I think J. P. One so congratulations to you know what I'm saying. go win for your brother Do me. I've been. He actually is the sleeper. An East Coast promotion like dude is consistent. He bring different flavor, and I'm not trying to hate, but I knew I was going GonNa. Lose and I seen els coming because I mean has great content, but his slow is is the same. You're going to get the same thing each and every time a fast repetitive type flow. Would you strong bars so is just. Just like a fighter whose great coming over, but if you get in the ring with somebody who can did dodge duck move slit no out of work. The job tie up. They're going beating and that, and that's why he can keep losing, but I mean he may take this hate, but that's just true. I think to two people came in there, overlooking their opponents possibly dipped in my painting. Ignore that ignore that sorry about that. No good just in my opinion I definitely think Mario, kind of overlooked Egypt and I'm piggyback off. Would you said and that Marie spitting bars to me, emphasize the fact that he a pussy versus Pissy especially with the reference to pussycat dolls, because he said Pussy like the salty cat or something like that, and either just had a few bars in there because he said I leave you bloodied like girl on her menstrual cycle, basically in America in the US first. And last, but not least casual. Man that I'm with everybody else. That was probably the best ball, not probably that was the best I. I've ever heard you spit Brussel congratulations to you but I'm would see P. I definitely think there was some hate because I know I think it was brandon who called in, and said whatever he said, and it may be valley. Had People in the chat not literally put see why people would never get a vote from so I mean. The DUDE WAS GONNA lose from jump just because at a hater, so I mean see why p point about what he's saying for us the voting. The, even cast Kinda acknowledged that like I knew going in I had the advantage for people not liking him, so I'm not trying to make excuses for his loss, Bra. The True Atalay burs she set it off I like Canelo like so it's the committee. You know like they could be done vote in his voting but I hear you. I wish you their. Knowledge in everything you're saying like that's why I keep keep keeping. The context of the votes are how far apart or close they are. Giving out the facts because. See what he does. Get it. He right and I feel like the votes only picked up the other fighters because you mentioned are. Cyp had a point with his voting I. Think had not said that it is still been a landslide Var as The move. On different coasts so normally like you, you heard Brennan. He was like Yo. I'm just getting caught up or someone else said that so not everyone starts exactly with us. We're starting later today. We started at eleven to keep given. You know West. Trying to you know because this is the Tom and so that's why we also lead polls open for one hour. Right and you can't control the votes, but when something when people come into the chat and admit to fixing the vote that's where becomes unfair, and then you can complain because I'm not once. But I learned people when it sat said I can see why people never get my vote. And he actually brought. I know disrespect CYP, thinking slightly under estimated casual, but I thought to broaden it and I think the people in the tech was automatically like care. What did he say he? He Ain't getting my vote. It was like a trump in it. Trump thing like I'll care who you're going to get. I'm just not voting for trump. So he was, he was fighting casual and like he wasn't GonNa win here. y'know. Jonathan Great Call Y'all. Cash you said it is GonNa be my biggest win, and and you know if this controversy if it was clean, it don't matter because it holds. Like, wait right like because. Or it was who you for you improve people acknowledging that like no matter the day acknowledging that Cyp's the most hated. They are also acknowledging that you're. You've you're verse improved? So we got a few super chats. Looking like Sir. Chemists lupus. See People you start. Seeing this why this? Why he believes everything he said, see people per view star the Abia boxing bars and see by. He wasn't going to get. One UK vote left. Allow PROMPSTER CYP you win with the loss, Asiago Chavez, and right there see why p cash before we bring you more on. Before, we bring them on. Would you be willing to give him a rematch or you WanNa let that bill. You want I actually as you adviser, I'd recommend not giving them a rematch right now. You need to let them fight somebody else to see to test the theory if I WANNA I WANNA fill them out learn. It's to see is is really against some so let's see if like if he battles JP necks. Are they still going to vote against them? But see what you gotTa Kinda. Let me get to you. Apologies. Let's go. Hail. No, we are doing a rematch. It's to say. What you need to do is an open vote open forever, so ever listened to the show. We got hard to some people. It'd be a thousand. It's days. Let all those people vote everybody listening, let on invoke the of the matter is that UK is not the biggest artists. They just biggest. On and laughing. You keep trying to get suspicious line over and over again, so people remember but you to that check. How many people that say? Over and over. Four of our time don't play. ME. So! But. Bill. Palms sweaty. MOM's Spaghetti. Mom's spaghetti was spilt last night. S thousand. You got locked. In lower case. Letters turned casual easy into. Papua Yeezy Blah laughing, laughing the Mosey, laughing emoji to gloves Emoji Hashtag. Now you who you now's alright line. He win the fight you know, listen to me. He thinks it's the greatest line and I get the logic behind that I'm just interject the other side, right? It's also CYP right who normally calls in with a lot of aggression very masculine. You know challenging people to border wars soup. Has His own gym. People thought as speed bag footage with speed sped up is heavy bags a footage with sped up so then he played the role of a gay guy tapping you on the show. The saying you who so he thinks it's the greatest line I think. They're using it against them. That's just an argument. I could be wrong. On that real quick super chat from salutes of the guys making fresh content weekly man, thank you for. That End Mississippi Y. P. With the wait. Did I miss when no? counterpunch it was the you who references the you'd get a chance. His chocolate sweet, you who come on and tell me. Tell us. The all realize. That verse from three. Ax them was the best verse most memorable they all said. Every single one of them that work a point. Hey, y'all saying. Every single. One of the you've got the correctness. Sometimes, sometimes a little more smart than people give credit for, but that was the point of the. He gets you to see me in a different light to step out of the oppressing A. Forty? Afforded, but still in denial. That's fine with me. I'll be remembered forever do. You One with the you who? Listen and that's what they say. Sometimes you win and lose somebody even supercharged listen. He's Outta while right now and Diego. He made a career out here Wiley No. Val. You GotTa stop saying with the w you just have ruled. Auto Violin y'All is that necessarily? Is that James or It will he was there. Which one does Dez? Yoyo. What up. Jeez. y'All was good. Young. o- Young. You. And that's not the same call. ME. Perfectly and we got you got you champ y'all with probably just to say the boxing bars or dope fucking Saturday now. fucking I ain't got my cup of tea. But I got La don't pay. Nine. Early. Protect his man I. Just want us to lose one way you do me. Do me hit him with this. Shout, car and dollars. Good Dump I. Fuck with me, man dollars, good, good match-up, man, but I fuck with I'm off Great Call I love when he called him? Joe Year listen. I swear it do me. You and cameras are like I'm shot, you know. Listen, let's. Check it, no, no, no, no I'm trying to take you back to the beginning when he I said I. Think. I'M GONNA make my debut I. Live. I chuckled is young. And, then he got that, I. Spit and I'm like Oh wow. Do Me was pretty I? And then he did it again, my okay, but now it's like he consistent. That's crazy. It's like wait a minute. It's like the last caller. Do me on some sleeper you four know. Is it for? How many bodies you got. Why are you acting like remember who had seven? I gotta go to the Mantle and see which ones there are update like Oh you got address the new. You already beat him. Yeah, which comes to like I, don't understand how somebody I beat no now. Champ title Fight Yeah Yeah. That was a title fight, but there's a rematch the because he beat I mean Yo Y'all listen to me, listen to, Yo. You gotta be less to me, listen. You gotta Yo. Check this out. Check this contract. Listen listen. Mario got a rematch close, but I mean who knows each just try to be like you know. Andy Rees right now and see what's going on across the pond. votes. Let me re spit. This flom Aman I got to remind John Sleeping on a camp. It's all good. Keeping I'll keep being that guy I'm the guy. You shouldn't even respect because you might you might you might. You might remind them that you better than what they remind remembered, but let me get the greatness, we gotta. Go ahead. We got a super chat from a boxing. Expert. Says show CYP and Locales Lettuce Cyp. If you was your best salon that means you got. Some fruity has friends. I. See why. Be Too many of them. You gotTA start. Ignore embrace too many coming for you right now. He liked that. Let me go to greatness. What Up Chin you got that win man. I live I living. In great great battles. I'm getting texts crazy from cash and the walls closing in on you. And That's interesting to hear that. Kashmir, don't definitely don't worry about. Keep pursuing greatness because I definitely had to pursue greatness myself. If I'm saying first things, first man we, we just got shot. Ausman everything is blessed man. Today's a good day I'm out here with the family, so it was a good win at I'll say to commissioner David I'm saying he definitely put the pressure on me. If you knew how to how to battle with setup, you found saying he definitely. Definitely put that pressure on email and crushing so against Saluto saw to Sony so to everybody on a call and we making moves in May keep pulling it down I see how you moving and everything. Keep holding it down there. This box boss ten to add a zero to it for sure for sure now listen. It's looking like this is the most livestream when my are these the highest livestream in numbers from Baltimore I think felt like I've seen the highest. Concurrent people watching look, we're going to jt New Orleans wrote up. To make coverage really chiefly. Shit Hey Martini. Like that. I WanNa talk to you. Go, Heels up. I I don't like the poll. I think a lot of buys I think like intrigue was saying we should have some judges. and. Go off picking on picking on the rap was whoever wins and stuff down like that I. Just you fishing with it But I'll go back to the fights. You got JP versus who that was civil back. Yep Yup jappie versus silverback. That was a good bad or voted for. JP Casino bag messed up a few times. Even though after you let them come right back after he cursed when he messed up. You I say damned any say fuck, and then when you messed up. Don't come back. He has some strong bonds, but I gave the JP. The second one was greatness versus Sony Desk. Probably the Best I've seen hers, sonus bit. Everybody else said. Of. Greatness was just a whole lot better Then you had CYP versus. Cash. I'm sorry. Can. This would not cast best of best rap battle. He just rhymed a little in this better, but it still was week to me. CYP had the interest. He had the I like how you said it up on skype. He came out like he said he'd Really Eisai. 'cause everybody came to vote for him, and they had the most vote, so he really the As Safir that they won't come out to the sea. Gave it a C. Y. P. With that? Mario was very weak this week of. Think marriages margin made up. You know he really not that rapid that he's out to. Be a protest like but what I'm saying like you know. He just running out of weeks and weeks, so he vegetables going up losing I was Kinda shocked with the doom on. king. Battle 'cause honest I gave it to king, but don't. We did come hard this week but I still gave it to king a little bit because he still got their free style. was that you want you wanNA listen to, and he's just come out smoother, but besides that. You'd think they need to change the poll. The poll is kind of fishing nets. Because I think there's some inside. Votes are automatic coming for Mario dooming. And Aegis at this point. I'M GONNA. Say this real quick to like Cyp's case. Yes, it's much worse. I'm sure, but there's. GotTa be real like there's already people that are voting against some of us right away. You know what I mean and there are. There are people that are voting against. You know others right away just so like I'm not saying favoritism is not concentrate exactly. Perfect and the people that want to believe that I just lying champs, the favouritism always and every which way because everybody got somebody that want to root for us so? Bitterly like we are here playing with algorithms. Votes Komo she. Does. Hola Hola Hola Hola I got I car. Is At one hundred I'm Marie Spit my verse chance. Confident doom as get it. Saying just to remind you Manati to your whole soling. Your body remember I gave her name said that's it. Goes They call you the king, but I mean. Is that really the truth? You in a real contender to ron and smoke your boots. You let you K invade. I think you in cahoots. You betrayed ACP p.. Nah I gotTA punish you in a booth in the ring on my lv slugger. Call Me Babe Ruth Thorne's right hands like my donald knocking out your to. Happen you was the TV caller of the year took L. Across the pond. Now you're heartful fear, Benedict Arnold Loyalty. Now it's crystal. Clear I'm knocking you out. Take this pillow like Joshua. Greer left to the liberal right to the chin. Small Fish took the sleazy route. Now you've got this shark biting off your fins, a magician in the ring like Anthony Sims. I'm all out like Bruce Lon going for the win. Line them up I'm knocking them down. It's and ninety. You Ain't snatching off this crown you switch to Jj Promotions you rolling with some clowns got the bat channel Yellen. Put them down. And that's why JT Hoda Gansu. JT voting. I would vote with a guy that called me a clown on hill. But. Let's go out to train obey. To Ray in bay. Just listening going. I we on. James would. that. I just put the untitled. That was an accident. Okay no James we're going to. Cyp. Would up. I want to tell you something that helps my point. You know that twenty nineteen is the most unanimous Colorado year, but when we talk about it I get my credit for twenty, nine, thousand, nine hundred already year, but you wanna tell me eight. No, Bryce! Are you crazy? I can't even win. Twenty Nineteen Colorado here put that away. We still got other people in the bay. Now I don't know I. Don't know that tells you. How strong as it gets if we at the LDC if. I win. This audience! Cash it's a bias audience I. don't care how much do but as long as talking saying. The king is here. It's not about how. It's affected as memorable. Everybody thought it was the best before I spit and all you're saying it's the best after Oswego trying to put a negative spin on, remember that it never cashed any awry. He didn't even run at the Ed his like this. Why didn't you in I said? I don't know you will do just finished it with our. Go right back to the cast. As. Casual just like you go back to real naive arriving at India for Jason Will. Over hiding lead vote open for public and let them decide. Value did they keep the real about the twenty nineteen th caller? The year she walked Yup. Well we'll see what he is telling. You is that all the battles are open to the people eventually you know the video. Is. Live right now, but it. It stays on Youtube, and you can go to the common section, and you'll see intrigue saying Hell No Mario in, beat me, you know crying to. Everybody tells them that. He got his ass kicked in. And you'll see CYP in the comments section once. This one is there because he's I've seen them in other box bars common sections so like he knows that it's there. If he really feels that he won, we will find out in the comments section like it will be there. You can go to every pass, boxing, boss and his people. They're like Yo. Do Me Spit Fire. you know cash that was why go look at them there. It's not like. Listen I agree I think to like it was a good battle. I think that you know it. It was it was probably a little closer than the. What was it eighty five fifteen or whatever? It was like? I think it was closer than that. You know so I see his point that there were people that just showed up to vote for. At that on average one though you know what I'm saying, so. On one is Mario so wack. That's the last one e Driss kilted. Everyone was on point special mentioned to me, that was fired. Egypt was nuclear and totally represented UK dominance. Funny! This is another Guy Thomas. Funny when boxing boss started all you. Yang said UK couldn't wrap now. It's the best. Now, it's the best balls in TV history foul yet again. Our UK boys on top eat those apple. Cyp laughing my fat. Arse of Amherst look and this. Today? No, this is last week. This is last week because remember seating rhyme last week. Here, but they just say you because you had the blaze zone, remember Oh. was money moon gear. Money on the sideline, looking not like a chair. So he dog. Bill and you don't do that man. I'm telling you do that, you don't. They wanted you to get in the rain? Tastes fury reliable. Let me finish. Let me finish, so look look lethal here. He says watching the show great performances from everyone. Egypt's versus Mario please and he got it. So. Jon Tom, he says boxing boss, ten combing event King Cash Verses King mean the Kings of excuses. Upset city from casual. Baz Guy Silk False Gunda. Idris best performance yet killed, and this is last week so like they're there and they will say now see why beat that was good, but not thinks he is going to beat it if it's true, but damn, see CYP. You gotta come for Idris you gotta get. Like offer pay-per-view. 'cause there. It is think about a CYP think about it. You've always got at the UK. This is beautiful. This can be promoted. Any better I mean I. Mean I'm your manager. You can get a voluntary. Let's see how much he offers you because he wants a UK scout so bad and you are a legitimate champion last week you beat are mean to put all eyes on you. Then you took off Mario's head. All we gotta do is Pay Mario Step aside money like they brought a for Marcos Maidana. Make sure is like one point five, so they're Mario accepts. UNC, p. do the US versus UK pay per view. Because It's like this common right. He'll let me go back I mean he killed it? That was that was crazy, said. Funny how in boxing boss started off. Jiang said you could imagine I was I was one of those. Are actually the only one but yeah. I mean I. Guess the only. Show, real, quick man! You gotTA super, Chat. Says U K hasn't been on top since Slick Rick Stopping Oh. No way was slippery. Yes Sir not thought he was from. New York. I New, York. So he's got to do. What's that dude got put back to UK twenty, one savage. Inside your never new. School twenty neither deny Brusque Slick Rick had that like weird old. He got the info. He got the job. Accident but I thought it was like a like a part of it. I spit diverse. I don't remember accent. He will be like one of those things are. GonNa! That's quick can stop hating on your fighters ness, La Hoya who warm hating on s La Hoya. No I'm. I'm like Mills Lane I'm like Mills Lane Bro I. I'm firm but I'm strong or whatever it he said. I need my message. Across and when you the in listen when I gave you solid advice and look where my rose careers at now now we in a rematch situation. No dog listen. He was seventy. No last we now. He's five in one. Commissioner Jay Gimme a house way. Commission Goddamn Him. UK God him Burgh, but but see why. I'm smelling super FIBRO. You wanted a UK Scout. You got one and I know my ECP Idris. Don't duck nobody because you keep calling people out. Oh UK, stand up. What a chance got the title. was going to battle though who now he? Gave me, yes, I gave them. Easy. y'All let me get to natural whiz candidates. stand-up yo I C. J. got shelved. Call them shelf you promotions. Now, no, no! Definitely not then I was looking on the winner of J.. P. And silverback but looks like JP looking at going to the group. I'm hungry for by I. Want some food so. I, mean some food. You know how to get a fight man. Get out that contract never even got a fight with. You might as well walk away. I'm thinking you know. I'm doing a CO promotion right now. Giving anybody it don't give me any bus. I'll take anybody. Anybody anybody that wants to take a now. And I'm not talking. Now. This is natural. Is He's not? Oh, you look behind you. Know, he needed. He needed to spit some now so. He was on another on another. Show, but that's a Whiz if you WANNA if you WANNA get and was some sparring ahead. Hey. All right. Here what I got here what I hear. Pages on cash. Polo sisters. That's a little something something. No top-ranked Dutt thinking you have no concern and a promise you during this battle. You're going to learn. Hey, nets, boy got. This is the playback. This ain't no topper date that you will have no concerns because next. Don't want no smoke. It'd be low balling office like Eddie her. What did you see GonNa? Learn Hey J., p.. Yes, me I. Really Want to trust the overhand right having desert-like AB. Boop sees was that me ness yelling over me, saying, are you okay? Sorry my bad JP I spoke to most of the casualties and. Win. Alert. Automatic win. Pete thought the same thing. ooh, look I rammed of Yours Natural Whiz. We look to see you in the ring. Thank you for calling in see. How do the emphasis effortlessly go to intrigue? Intrigue Known as Oh, in one. In Atlanta, what was I thought it was Oh, no contest! No! He's. He's got Oh because he didn't win and he got a loss because he loss. Still Watch me more. Wrong and treat. My Record is oh. In Oakland I got to know contests on my record, but it's it's not about me. It's not about me. That's what the commission says. Chan! Cycle, Valuations Right Man I. Don't Know How many times we gotta go through. On. Sony on. Here when it gets his mind. Winds and taken away lawsuit because they gave Mario win his on his record. Is Not on his Hawaii. Well let's let's go do this. okay? The CAST See what. CAST came with it, but I had CYP winning that one no question and Mario Egypt Egypt's body Mario. And then you look at the poll and the poll. Guy Mario winning seventy five percent of votes. That's just so you that. The votes is biased and I'm asking the Commissioner really consider getting a jazz panel still at the Voice of the people have they pose and you have two different posed, but gets you some judges as unbiased y'all can have get the corruption out of the sport because if he let French Toast Komo, so keep going like they're doing is correct in the sport. Corrupt it. That's all I got to say. Right, yeah, we're. We're in control of the POS. Meanwhile, the poll says only one vote per person and has a set limit. There's no other special features. They're man so I can't go vote for you, you know. Did you vote for C. Wiping, or did you just call in? We gone out to. Answer I'll let you. Did. You yeah, I voted for. I'm glad to see you coming out to vote man so many people don't come out and vote. They're looking for change, but they don't WanNa vote I'm glad. Politics! Bad. Thank you, brother, thank you. He leading by example there you have it intriguing Atlanta own. You know. Voice! Just like who would you even get like nobody's GonNa agree like the people saying there's bias or being biased. I'm saying I want I. Want I want him to explain to me where the bias is coming from like. Where's it coming from? Like? Where where where are the votes coming from that you saying his is like anybody? Can you know according to how the setup is? Can Vote vote once? And as it. Let me keep down these lines moving roughhouse. Talk about everybody else chant to do what you think of these These battlers today. POWs is busy going once to. Sony to commission show Sony I gotTa Give Calls Man. You gotTA. Get a commission call. And then we got to talk to you as a bad love. And then like I, mean what's going on, man, there's a Lotta Lot. Why would like it sounds crazy. We'll tell them. Talking to my son, tell them I'll be there was that. He. Bra though I was down on them. Laugh brother on the show. White over here. Hey y'all. Hey, if you guys want me to put my commissioners head on wheel, but I want to do something for the first time. Speak like every other listener here just give props and give my opinion on all the battles if I can if that's okay with. You do that I okay. J. P. Silver Bag. That was awesome battle, silverback brother I feel. That same mistake multiple occasions not to take myself out of the battles for a couple of weeks just putting in my head, not to curse O'Brien. The we all through it. You know what I'm saying as far as greatness. You know what I'm saying. I mean go. From from one commission member to another was a great battle. You know you got that victory. But I'll be back hopefully for you'll scout. You don't know saying do me. A King I've made. That was a great battle. I, think me as the Dow slightly, but the voters vote you know so I believe that at that as far as Mario and Egypt's Mario I swear I thought. You were gonNA Badio by brother. I was crying. When you started calling, you came out seeing it always like. She taught. YOU FILL IT, Yo! Hey, it was a good study. which is have worked out for you but, yelp. You sound a little muffled. Better now, perfect perfect. I much love and respect to Adrian congratulations. We got a new chair for a little while I know you've got a lot of things going through your Marianne. Little while. Plan! Step aside. He got the rematch. I'll tell you got a lot of descendancy got away all over I so I'm with that. Know you guys got anything for me. Your man. What's going on man like I see you know Jean J. Promotions. They make a lot of flyers and in doing interviews. Talk them out. Do me gotTa loss and? And Intrigue is undefeated we're scoring. Corruption and twenty twenty which i. Thought! We talked to near. You said this was good. Well. Yeah, but JJ promotions. you know they're? They're all owners, but we already had. Our commissioner caused everybody. The records are what they are, and that's what I'm. GonNa say so. I'm not even going. Speak on that I. Feel like you in the beginning of the show when? I'm moving. I got everything right here in front of me so I'm only moving forward I'm not going back or so. That's what I'm doing, but I would like to let everybody know. We already got our first confirmed. That's next week. Boxer bars eleven it. A BJP verse is Natural Whiz. And Confirm Dr J. Pizzas hit me. Say Him weren't see this. I'm say, stop reaching out to my fighters, force and a stop a season deceased. Lead on you, you can't. You can't also. I'd give I'll politics. This text me right now. Would a capital letters? No, he said. I'm not looking backwards. Oak Hey. I apologize if you just put it out on Skype, zoologist affirming. Yeah he me right now. At one fourteen. We might be my opponent next. Week ahead of time. Down Cyp Double Back Bar on a mess. A mess mess before you go I, just want you to know you said build get very proud of yourself. This was a great. Great Show. You don't want to be proud doing a fantastic job. You don't want us. You know structures all these cards, and does all the leg were only thing I ask is the commission you know. Get a little more firm. I'm sure we by bending them Nevada. He wouldn't be afraid to tell intrigue that he's either you know has psychiatric problems or be. He's Alwin one. You know, but I. Hear you man I know it's tough position for you to be in. You know you don't want to answer questions from the media and all that craziness, but yeah I mean Mario deserves to walk around here proud of his record, not justifying his record, it should be the commission that is letting the public know what is what? We. S. E. P.. He left on his Harley. Actually C. P. is. Back with a kick counterpunch. P. would up. That's number. Six P. would up. You know what's funny about. With so funny stuff so funny is that I'm so trashed. I'm so garbage, but y'all want me to go against Egypt I. BELIEVE JUST BE. More you that I voted Egypt I thought I thought he won I thought you did this week. Did you slip time to do? What I what I believe now Yawkey boathouse row won't when I say. Keep the votes okay. I mean keeping the votes open, not the check now. Not The comment section, so people don't care comment. People do not care. Keep the votes autumn. All the people who want to vote make the public axiom, but put something up in the middle. Like right on the bench. We gotTA poll up. Put a polar in a check for talking boss to order. Thousands of who listen let them vote, so we can make it real. Make it official. Make big, so we can get away from the UK love. Everybody seems to have only show. You. Could. Make a poll in the chat after it's done. I don't think so, but I could try on the community. Page I I'll try. I'll try and satisfy chant part of the community, but. That's true. We can use that in a bunch of different ways. I will say this though. We are offering you that fight. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, he's take the heat. Invited any you. You said you wanted a UK. Do now now. We got a strong representative. We got one that the people will actually commenting on on videos after they done got a proud. UK Chen. Man I think Mario Mr step in a Saab because. I wouldn't mind stepping aside but. Agreed to step aside because nobody should get a shot before doing, but just hear me out man. Look I. I am the adviser for all of you right and. Dumi. Mario. Edris and see that combination. However, it plays out. It's only going to escalate the next right, so if you allow Cyp Idris to turn out. If C. P. Beats Idris. He's huge. He's. Star, if Egypt lease if interest beats 'cause, that's the that's the fight. You K versus America so there. We're going to get a star yet. Mario everybody knows that you know uris laundry. Lorraine really really good, and you deserve to be in that pay per view fight, but right now I get public wants American scout versus a UK Scout. You let that by happen. If he wins, he comes back to you on his rematch a bigger. Will No, that doesn't work was trying to put in a boxing I. Realize I just picked to UK guys Yeah, no, I get it I see. There he's allegedly promoted by. Joke any joke promotions, but the thing is that I'm the one offering him the big fight. Does he want to be in a pay per view or do you want to hang around with Yoga Joe speaking of Joe Joe JT's back with Kinda Punch? So. Funny has he is confident Olympics in Y'all China all film a title fight the suppose add laws for here. We will take their fight. Oh, Migo, beat Egypt Egypt, not strong to meet. Well we've. Got Agree to. Terms, Before you cut. My time is Islam. Had JP, talking all against the stuff? Is skype saying he better now, but he texting. You know that sounds fishy to meet any fishy. BIRT's. Would you want natural this oh? Why am I fight? Had his rear view mirror. Mirror. Tell me what tell tell tell him. That, he can't be saying. We're better than I did. He checks you listen fighters. Say what they do because that's what they they fighters, but I'm representation and I'm. I'm I'm gone into a real fight. Maybe a Dumi fight while do me 'cause everything we don't have these. Tell them how doug smoke? Natural ways you. Know who? WanNa Natural Win. Who got to win? JP. Belly bit illuminate. Don't go to the post breath. Don't let me go to the post and get. The People's Bank messed up this mess. What! We're off my fighters and A. You protect doing. Oh. I see I, see do is he retired? Scared to come back. He's is in combat. As the Info Joe never never to eliminate it with doom. Eliminate with do me. I say that'll be a browser. Next week though. Let them. Let them live Bob I'm a whack a mole. Let them pop up, let. We go suit them like doctor. Now, you already know. We, you two minutes, man, you know it's forty five seconds. I want you to promote, but we all know your team duck, and you can't offer them nothing and I keep doing it effortlessly. You see that your. Purses okay, go ahead as looking to see what I mean. How many did he do? We are we behind on one, or is it to on there? I haven't even This is eight right now or maybe he missed the seven. To back to back, but he'll explain i. only saw that one. Yeah, go ahead with number you on. I'm loss seven. Seven, seven eight from the roof, so we're GONNA. We're GONNA. Put the clock. Back to. My whole point was a on. Anybody's in the UK UK got one and they talking about ruined boxing board. Certificate stupid as? Egypt, I'll accept the CIA the challenge, but only I'm worried about them. We got this all week. I want a panel in my I only one judge. I often seven Oh folks to be one of the jetties four four. Five six three. Whoever judges not the people because the people have shown, they cannot be trusted if I'm if I'm on the my date, you're not be trusted in the battle hymn with the people being. Provided who the winner I ain't doing it. She's got stupid like you really take educated man with a business. Who Stupid enough to fall for some. I'm not doing that. Let these people each automatically. Give me you know, but if we got a panel, you pick them just seven or phone. Because we all know, he's neutral can. We can get a pop task only way I'm doing it neutral. Judge's Mendez Mendez none of this. Hail No. For. G! You I totally get it. I totally get it. Because listen, listen, listen, listen, listen listen. This goes back to back it. Don't matter it. Don't matter what he say. I'm willing to consider it. But, what about me? The end of the day we would be changing the structure and the rules that you know. The commission have worked hard to establish a non title match that it's Mike Roy way. No, why would it be non Seidel? Know that we. When needs to be done? Is If see what he wants to be like mayweather and? Force? The Hot Marcos Maidana Idris not to wih specific. Coming off of a big Bronner, win. He's GonNa. Have to be like mayweather and maybe. Pay Some. Money. Sweetened the deal in order for Egypt The champion to amend the rules that would slightly not be in his favor. He's been winning using the voting system. He doesn't have any grievances so for to go to an outside. Votes system. In my fighters beak, he's just not going to do things for no reason. You know we can talk about it. We're willing to negotiate. What's on I? Mean Look you know what it is. J., T., it's all part of the pay per view I don't know. Egypt's TJ offered. Do Me a pay per view. Maybe we need to go Holler, at TJ in Ohio and I mean give him an opportunity. Maybe he under his own money. Maybe he wants to pick a bag. You know how we get down. A understands he? Dresses value. Value. We got see why P with another counter punch. During. I`Ma Stop, paying to reply. You mentioned my name I shouldn't have to pay you to reply. It's very very simple. I'm not here to entertain your ev anytime. You want me to entertain I change you take. Don't Detroit me. I told you that the only way it's happening if you don't like it, so you don't like you and ended. Don't people? Don't get people they'll give you. Something that's not happening if you can't win with a of judges like every other like real boxing. Like real dance battles like real battles. They have a panel. If you can't handle that, he thinks change for me. You already know. She see why PK on TV. Is kind of true because yeah I got understand box in bars, and even though he's the Floyd Mayweather Energy, I'm the bad guy. He got the skills right if he got the skills to pay the bills. You gotTA judge them on a rap skills, not on the character. You know what I'm saying. People hated fluid, but you know you couldn't deny whatever he was doing in the. Why piece in the ring everybody got be real, or if not he again is fair. Shake so I feel where CYP's coming from in a sense and be because of the polarizing figure he is. You know what I'm saying. That's the attention that the that there's been gotten but Other than that. Voting's worked just fine. Man, you know people get the chance to vote once and stuff like that if there any amendments. Had to be in the and talked about what the Commission y'all look at that Cyp the you saying that the that there's a bias against you now. They're saying that I work for Ness. Always Bendon for CYP. I starts counterpunch at the beginning of the shows, and they let it now. He Turns Floyd, mayweather and once a judging panel meanwhile see what p was just the other day bringing the heat to you? Cyp saying he is bigger than T. be the. I'm in Iraq, and our to see what see Y. thinks some against them. They think I'm with them. It's crazy, crazy crazy! All I know is offered a big fight and addresses that you know you have been calling in. He says now for two thousand and nineteen now in twenty, and don't answer versus Supachai terms. You can send you. My skype text me like everyone else on skype. Your terms instagram. But we have to agree and your first set of terms we're. We're not just going to agree to a different panel. Just because I mean again. If you went my fighters beak I don't know. Maybe I can convince him, but you have to be convincing. You don't have to pay to answer texts. We can go back. We can negotiate negotiate with all the rappers I am truly my fighters advisor so city wipe e with a kick counterpunch he rather. You can. Now doggone one I don't think you. Have about that right boy. You get that. She decided I. Like to say everything is public, so everybody has the receipt. I told you. It's not happening with a crowd. It gotta be regular paddle like single person really rafts. Really dances really battle. That's how they do you make up all these special rules and they get mad when people action for normal rules now homey on the actual maintenance special match you to make normal, so you can't win. Would normal you need this Giannis? That's the only way I lose that the call from TV Cecil. Some telling you right now stopped talking about it if it's a note, this is the right now, so I ain't GonNa paint a moment and think about this autumn. Active booked with the money I spent on TV weekly saw. Is Important about it. I'll put more money on TV show the yard. I mean. We don't have to talk about it I mean you're the one accident for rule changes. I'm not part of the commission, even though your entire super CIA insinuated that I need these rules to make sure that you don't win I. Don't sit around and make the rules. This is greatness Sony JT, Mr Seventy four who you spoke of. and. Joe Info Joe I'm not even part of chant. None of those rules. None of them are mind, so you know. Just. Take your loss man like. I am not and I'm not trying to like. Sway nothing or nothing like that, but if there were to be like a panel I, it would have it man i. don't even know. How would we vote on? That would not. Go. On, this is going to be the same thing. No, no, no, even if we could get a panel wouldn't be seven four Sony. It'll be like we try and seven straight. No, but I I agree it would be like we try before it would be a fight. It would be Julia Hammer Hans Rodriguez. It'll be Shannon Briggs it'll be. It'll be I think who else spends La. Welcome I I like there's certain boxes that be the instagram rapping like you know the ones that are accessible to us that shit. We'll get like a celebrity judge, but we would yeah non-bias. We gotta get that. We will never get before. I have no name. Cyp's are Egypt. But what I'm saying is we will never get the same people that he saying don't like them right like. Why would we get seven or four? We don't know how seven fours. Voting voting is private. Always voting for you know so. I think he's saying because he's down. The middle is where. Everybody could be down the middle. That's according to his opinion. Someone else can claim the seven I I personally I personally don't want seven four as a judge, because he is the one that ruined of Izzy and Amin fight and and I've been axed. Is You to get dropped for the rankings for four weeks now and Izzy without a fight ankle? The live retirement is due in the ranking, so yeah I think seven or four corrupt I think he got secret pictures of Sony, and that's. What is he still in the rankings four weeks straight since I complain, but can't. Nobody mentioned last time he battled someone. So, IM- boxing inactivity. You drop in the rankings, but not with this commission. This commission been corrupt, but today see why wanNA paint it out like I'm the one that made this. Every. Week I say the Commission Scarola. Every West can I ask you a question, though and I'm being honest I'm really asking. I'm not trying to paint a narrative kid. You Blame Delahoya for Ryan Garcia not taking the Laniado. Or Ryan Garcia not taking a certain fight I. Don't blame Delahoya but the rank. Rankings ain't got nothing to do with delahoya riled yet. If Ryan Garcia. Don't fight for year. Ain't got nothing to do with de la Hoya. He gets out the rankings. You is that you said missing four responsible for that match and I'm just saying I I'm not saying you don't have your right to fill that way. I'm just saying I, can't you? Delahoya with that first of all, we went into negotiations. He said I represent my fighter. I got the green light. Simple as that. You, know what I'm saying. And then we had the the the crazy fiasco was no eliminator. Me had to go in a different direction for all. We know that could have been the beginning of the end farming because he was red hot till that moment, he was scheduled to fight izzy. And, then he got the whole shakeup and look look what's happened in his career. And that was seven four on a ten hour bat core with me talking about you. We go with this fight. It doesn't mean losing why Sayito you got to understand is you can look? That's fine. Here. showed him, and they blame you I would add some. Of that, but that's one thing. Then I say cool seven or four one one. We take him out the Reagan's my man, even he fighting. But he against me on that ruling. Why why? because. That's his fighter, though okay, but just because. I'm going to ignore the rules I'M GONNA like? Windows it's part of the the last time you fought. So so that's what I'm saying, so you represented a? Part of the commission, but you also being biased because as a commission member, he should be like that is my fighter book. He has in four weeks and ness acts for this four weeks ago. Damn, he still a four since I brought it up, and I've been bringing it up consistently every single week, and he's still ain't four and he's still in the rankings. Like total disrespect to us we get eliminated. Fake losses. I gotTA fight for. Please why? I seeing got no loss, but it's like look you. Know last week five one this. We brought his crazy. Sometimes it's draining like Cyp you right. We do need a total new Redo of everything, but where we gonNA find it, you know these people take time out of the normal day to do so I appreciate, Sony, even with all the mistakes or the mishaps or whatever complaints I may have because nothing's ever GonNa. Be Perfect, you know. Maybe we can do something where The judges have chosen at random, you know. The some of the listeners may be out there that that you know. Can stay non-bias? 'cause you know bringing somebody on every week. You know three people that are going to be outside of the community. Could be a little tough, but. The idea though I loved the idea. I I like the. Bars is growing is a growing sport. You know what I'm saying. Grow segment, and this is another thing that that you know we can't just brush off. You know being his has all this controversy and hype about it being Cyp, saying he billboard seven over really he said is in my for the nest condominium out of a Mario Championship. Wow, I told I mean. Yo Mario say one inch. Not GonNa even repeat this all good I'm supposed to take the heat for my fighters, so the doesn't look any other way you right. Let's Chan even though he's not my fighter. He left. I'm good. I'M NOT GONNA. Say Nine now it is what it is. Is Alway-. That's the thing every week. They always blame somebody you can't just be. Better and get a win. There's always an excuse funny man. Stainless be what up chant. Open from you man. Flexible? Three Am I best stainless. Jt are just seen as Berlin missy. You. Guys see why P. to Chan. Jesus my back. So jt text me real. Quick go to Cyp. Let me know what you because. You've got a lot of stuff that I don't know what came first. Seawater P would up. When you go to battle rap. Santa Better holiday yesterday. During the justice if you want you, weren't you think you lost? Accepted people whoever whatever you walk away from, you feel like you've lost your love. You brought a boxing they got. See so the actual board. They don't use jody in boxing. They usually over here. We let the this decide. You said I've worked, so you you're you're you're still to two things and already been created for for you, but then you making you're making his own way. Now homey. They'll do that. She got that. That's what leads alibi, said you take some of these. Some of these battles happened. Are you. Talking to you if you if you say you take. You take it. Day like California daylights. Go To win if you take him to New York. Much GonNa win. That's how it works the clouds if the crowd decided it, but that's the house supposed to work. That's why you put. A panel stopped crying about a panel stopped trying. To come up with man, we know how you do when you come up with something he. I gave you more time so that you don't feel like talked over you, but. You need to stop adjusting it to me. Talk to jt and seven four gave you. The names of the people I didn't create any of this that you're talking about. This is from the people for the people. Stainless is also part of that. Lie You trip in man. Take, L. B you low Smith. Stainless man chat. With. Gangrene chain, the suit joked. Congested knows I thought CPAP boy certain. People now that sweet scientists sweet the your Wick Scienc-. y'All TV was good back. Art I guess Stan. What's going to have to do to commission thing in clear a few things up first off. Mario's battles are me, too. Entry to is you why? Egypt one now. Who is his last battle greatness? That's seven. All altogether was no contest for entry. One's a loss, so you gotta you gotTa accept that now? Mario, official record is five one with one, no con artist, and what is doing, we congratulate. The battle with a battle with entry. Go. What are you get no contest for? Then, we decided that I was, was it? We call that a no contest. Who who's we when this happened? Sony networks does this. Got No Texas nothing Meyer. You know anything about the no contracts. Each. Ruled it a no contest the first week when they made that vote remember I said that you know I had nothing to do with the vote you know they. They were the commission on whatever added eight, but then they. Check on the show. It was said on the show who wanted into? US It was I was on with green. Collar greatness and Coles or four calls back to back. That's what I'm saying that. Much I've got. I've gotten ranking up they week by weeks since Mario was four in. Oh, and never once did the rankings update or any call with me seven four. Greatness as Sony. The once. Anyone, bring up their Mario. Had A no contest so I think you need to go avenue again and and that's why that's why we decided it was, too. Is he was taken out the rankings last week after we after we out there was the boss that he wouldn't be balanced anymore. Dolly congratulations on your body. You just moved to three though. I mean we we do keep up with these things but. Now let me get to my car. Use My boomerang for that because it took so long. I'm actually working on his car with. My cousin the opening battle J. P.. roughhouse May. to be honest, if not for the disqualification I would've gave it to roughhouse. He did have more boxing bars. Sony and greatness again give battle I'd go for greatness a thirty. S It out. Casual man doomed. The best bars have already speaker That's that's real talk man. This is no joke at all on. Personally, I still voted for Cyp. Unfortunately brought CYP's CYP everybody so. You you use going to lose that. We talked about that on a on a back Carter. A mean, don't me that was. Don't man out. That's enough, said right. There I wasn't expecting that women so soft, so you for that? And Mario he'd your smack congratulations on it. To the new Chapman. What I'm saying any other any other questions. We got our issues because because I keep hearing you Bama. You're saying. Orion y'all arrive in one. Got A, no contest for Lhasa. Last is old Somali. Bass as as I discussed on a on a last commission car next I went back and view every box. Zimbardo, show that we had. In by the end of that call because you remember, it was the whole one verse to verse two minutes and everything, so that one was just we decided. We're GONNA, make to send no contest and your rematch. WHO NEXT WEEK! What do you mean one minute to explain because I'm lost? You know I smoked. For that I battle the first week of Mario Inch and intrigue battle. That was all that was the controversy over whether we're supposed to be. A two minute rounds, or to too many rounds or some something weird liked it. You know what I'm saying in. Because of that, you know what I'm saying like. It was like well. I'm not going to battle. You know saying like I. I expect but again. This is what I'm saying. Sony You and several four made the rules. On a six point rules is say clearly absolutely only one minute rounds. So how how does Mario Gao? Hold. Real with your. Because the people need to know what you're trying to do. How does Mario gotta pay for Intrigue Thinking It's supposed to be too many rounds. Well we'll see. That's not without saying sort of saying. No conscious explain it's because because you said it S. Like I didn't want him to do. What did he do to get a no contest shit? He didn't do anything. On one what was done wrong for for him? I don't I don't know what. What about just I'm good with that answer. I'm good with that I don't. Know I'm answering. Commissioned, it's funny to me. You know. No on. This was the week before. See what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the the week with the thing you want out. You the commission, but you're saying you don't know why. He got an concepts. You just know he got I. Didn't say I don't know why he. Explained, to us why. Because, it was one against. To. Say. Okay, so wait. Wait wait so down slowdown. You said because his one verse against to the Mario Vs. Yes. He did so you you the one? This Ayoola thought it was too versus Mario. I Remember! The first one. It was supposed to be. It was supposed to be two one minute versus entry. Santa was supposed to be to too many versus, but but this is what I'm saying stainless. Steel with. This what I'm saying as a commission got you know and I gotta end this. As a commission got since you started this, you started this. It's always been one minute. So why does it matter would intrigue? Thought it was you had rules that says. Twenty so. Why does my fighter? Fighter instead of a disqualification win. Get getting no contest tomorrow, but let me get. You gotTa Punch as You said it now. Listen. Call me on after call we. I'm telling you we got. The week is the same thing. They can't take the laws without crying like babies I'll. Intrigue Talk to me. Yes, style got it wrong, so number one. The first one was a no consciousness because. You went to the voting. it was somebody to voluntarily too early, and you said it on the sell yourself that it was a no contest. We got to do it again and that was that was. It was simple for the first one segue. It's still a no conscious I. Don't know why Sony WanNa. Speak up and say that it's a no contest, and as I'm Owen, Oh, and that's why I'm not on the rankings because I don't have a win or loss to Stylus is wrong. He got to go back to the commission to get that right, but that's why I'm not on the rankings, and then you go I'm not part of the commission best to. League right! People saying that the the the stainless. So everybody what they got. Original listen. This is what happened originally because I don't remember how many times has. Happened But They came, and they said they wanted meat about Oh intrigue for the Second Week and my understanding through ness ns understood it, too, was that I was going to get that win? and. Then battle him in the rematch. Then by the time he got there, it was changed then it got changed again. It's a change like four or five times now, so you know what I'm saying like I all I remember is the first time they they presented it an necessarily, and he agreed I get the win, and then we go the rematch. It changed. It changed, but you know. DAMN CYP coming in like Thanos Cyp Infinity. Salary sound like you said. You want to go home. You know you. You Ain't got a locking Bush. Do me a memorial day. They could be here and run blocking separate. Really don't. Delete delete accompanying. Everything yourself and everything. You were trying to quit the first to remember during I called on all of a sudden. You're happy to be here stopping me arguing. Bring negativity here at least. With my negativity I'm trying to skit. happened. Last. You keep saying we can't accept losing what the hell losing gotTA. Do with me trying to negotiate for next fight got. There has nothing to do with. This is totally fine, but you also have to remember I want you to keep this. I want keep that in, so everybody's how by she will, but let's move on if Anybody wants to give me the panel if you have a cattle. Extra ten again. Listen. Chant the reason. I'm saying that you can't take. Loss is because you're so mad about today's loss that you're claiming people voted against you. Jest Cause, and because you're that frustrated. You're saying I won't fight again until I changed the way the voting is done. So yes that is you being a sore loser about the laws? I don't know what you're talking about negotiation, but yeah pretty good hit. I think who do we got looks like Uh. WHAT THE HELL! Cyp just got a third infinity stone. BANOS! Text me, so you gotta waste of money chant man look. The reason why I do so much checking spend so much. Money is because he work hard here, and I see other other youtuber getting more money than you. That's why I sit here and I support you. That's the facts. Back to stop compliment. You. Fucking Aso that's people stuck with you I do suck with. You cannot like assholes. Coming at me like I'm vamp of business when I pocket loans Businessma Man. I'm trying to help you. Help me this together. Running your mouth got one of them up and let me talk when I pay my money. I'm Andrew Money that you here for your for money. Matters Dot K. entertainment. You pay I'm trying to pay you. That's how if you want their battle and you want to be the biggest boxing. You want to call it. The line gets the judges. Do other than next and my fucking name. Money No more. Let's let's Let. My friend I thought he said we were just friends and we get together and he's saying. Don't mention, Dave. I'm so confused, Brown! He comes in like a hurricane super. Super Super and I get you like I. Guess You just give a lot of backhanded compliments though you know what I mean sheesh. Right stone bone. What up man! The what of Those said the long. And That was a long commission dispute are that's something you handle court man, don't handle. It added to ring out bringing autism to the reigning May. Sue You're promoter. I commissioned his funny. May, I'm telling. We need new members on him and they win and each. On every week. Everyone exciting different look stainless literally just came on here today and say Mario, is now like seven in one, and I'm like damn last week. They try to make them back to father. No, I'm like it's it's. It's crazy. I'm telling every week. Is something new? But Anymore Mario. It's IT'S HARD MARIO! Agencies Monte. Roy Else. He ran around like you too champ. He was he was down on Wendy and you hit them. So, let Griffin for a week. Come back and Roustam. That's probably going to be easy work. Because that vars went up to par Mario Del, win your best work. Either you had the CRIP I'm a former trip. So that was your best lie, but you gotta come. You should've said you told him that. You should some in ring to them to make them become a crippled sunlight day gotta put some more boxing in I'm gonNA catch up next a great shelby area detaining and I just feel like wasted like forty five minutes on commission talk. Pull from that. And in about those folks blank, you know so, I'm all good them. Right yeah as much as they they say. They're? Cyp is a bad call. A member he was given the triple rang, and he's one of those guys that continuously gets people to. Either give them their boomerang or super chat and counterpunch forming Ken. Has. has sent you one CYP. Snapped his fingers you back. That unlike miss I appreciate. I appreciate, you can appreciate their authorship auditors the. For the past two years I realized graphics and tell me see what we love you man. We let her do. Keep it up. Keep it up after shake off. Who came to visit me at my gym? I appreciate all your I. Don't just do this just to pick on people I do this to make this show better in like that I don't give. Money I got extra money. Put aside just. And I. Let it rain on 'cause I. don't care. I don't care but miss. Those people were hunting control-freak, my guy and if you don't come up with some, you don't like it. You didn't like boxing that I. It is what it is. Everything gets better when you listen to. There's nothing wrong with a panel. There's nothing wrong with pen. If I can't win with a panel, I shouldn't be reading, but eighty percent to twenty percent. Stop that tells you it's biased, and that's what you don't let nobody know eighty twenty to stop bullshit, but at the same time I love all y'all spreading hate me enough to the truth in person. We've seen that before. Though there's been landslides, brothers been last lies. Listen I. Get it man. People didn't WANNA. Believe the votes when trump was elected by. You Know I. Hear what you're coming from with it and know what up. Did I misunderstand. Do Me I feel you text me. Saying read a super chat PBX. Did you get that this? TV. To Sign Atalay Burt Sir John. TV To side. Adelaide Labor to judge. Looks like. Intrigue would account. You counterpunch. I've given it to see Wadi. Oh Oh. The, why folks! Cyp with another infinity stone on Gotland. They just they just A. Look I look, I appreciate you appreciate you. That's what I'm here for. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Ain't nothing wrong with that What's my name? I might K. K.. You spit ever speak. And True, but you to marketing. I thought Egypt's better memorial. It Mario about a group. That's fine, but I'm still gonNA. Keep I'm not mad about for people for panels is what's up decided because it's like I, said fluid, everybody sitting here. No, they could be totally. It's a cloud got to say. How many wins are wins? Four would be like forty five to five. Let's stop the bullshit hate. Israel y'all do it every single day and we know buys list. Get the buys about Brockton and make Boston bars that one thing that stands out above all the TV because you got to come here and be real. It's all about. Some of. This. Make it about the skill level not about the field. But how do we regardless what? What's the plan? Nominate nominate people that and let people decide if they have been advised nominal in. Did you like twenty people that you nominee? I. Slept a determined to be vice. Get them on the panel. I don't care who it is. I just won't unbiased. An nominee novel. Me Mad if I say real nauseous sick. She a judge. In Boorda was, but I know I know you. I gotTA thing so. Mario check two one five. I'M GONNA! Decatur. Georgia Hey? Fella shot idea in my I A. Battle shot here by. He will likely list of on everything. I won't mind being on the commission as you know very by. Ami Acute. Talk I'm down if You. Got About out. Do that Bra I'm telling you. Shit would it be and? How? Many? How are you would've our he do? So uranium. From Bryant. Again I'll tell you. I Mario. You'll have the. Bro. I listen to know I. let me say that people who repeated Mario. Going to be running names. You GotTa get with how? They'll let. Team foul. They'll mean that. You have run the only elevator move you. Out. Dumi you. Doing thing I was. Here by everybody you I, don't know how. Important. You Incur Shit. Out Are you live on that bullshit. I ONLY WANNA look. But you. You. You. Look. yo-you! Youtube, BR! You bring positively even when you come in hard you still. Good Dude. Own Right. All right I think stainless with the boomerang. Hit Him with a boom. been. A very. Emotional show. This is on what it is boxing bars. Boomerang stylus. stamos is not there. And we went. No, no, what did we go to him? I feel like I played that in show now you did but I. I don't know if he was dead. I did. Young fellow. He comes from. Would've Benazir. What do Mad I'm just on in in. That's all I'm here. I'm hearing after. Your you know how you know you sleep through an earthquake the. Ship Up. They like the. Show us. That been slammed down table toes. In she'd rack. It sounded like a lot of Moses Lauren. Ray is sound like from what I'm hearing this. It sounds like a Connecticut school card. So you know, but y'all feel me. y'All let me know. It sounds like it sounds like we're back here at Man. You gotta go back here. The versus. A lot about the panel life for like I said. That's a super FAI UK versus America so he. He's trying to recommend new. Scoring method so new guide. Way So. We're trying to bring UK judges. Would you mean? I mean I, mean I mean you know I don't know where the judges are GonNa come from at this moment, but I mean it could very well be from UK remember the International. O'hare Blat. Hip. I mean right now. We got a UK champion. When we get a UK judge. He's raining. We've gotTA UK champion. Drew from the UK beat Mario's A. Beautiful so that they don't really. Cavers. Know what point? Listen the point is. Just the Mareo the point is this though he took the belt to cross the pond? That's all that matters. have all your ticket. Man Maury fucking die. He from the UK man saved, but we gotta get. My. Man I mean Eh. He lost. Do me today. He dropped own. I mean do gotTa go against me though we can add that. We can't have a eddie. Her life like call going. Know who you call it man. I won't mean. I mean loss again today. Get. The, firts at he lost the address the UK. Who I beat already. So, he knocked out. I mean an Maurienne the same date. Nine knocked out on me last. We immoral this week, but do. Not. Dum. Dum He beat him before everybody got before he got popping Dumi took him early. I. got. I. Arranged dorm above. As Marco. BAD GUYS! I cool cool I'm good with that. Man. Is Coming back going to brandon? Brandon NASC- 'cause. That's what I'm saying. Idris got supervised like he could do see appeal. He could get his rematch. Do me. In his hometown in had that data that revenge with the crowd, so is there, but a Brian. Excuse me! Brian AC what up? Yoyo with up. You know I I've been a long time. Go Way Way way back, but today sound crazy. I started listening to the whole. Whole battle rat thing man in A. key Y T is hurt. Decade is hurt me. He'd been just been all I got you remember on belly. One do call the other dude, table. was In between. And they try to make it like it was. Trying to do unit. And what the real deal is an? He's hurt because he got cold out, he lost. It was a loss. Accepted and I and I'm I'm cool with. Do you right? You spend money you spend money, but you laws accepted. It's all good I. Still Think Mario's the best out there and the only person take Mario out dooming. Kasim make you laugh. He'll. He'll get his punches in, but I think the battles going come down between. Dumi and Mario. But a top Idris. I I ain't never really felt. Egypt not could be from England just album, though I think Mario. Mario's way better than Egypt's. All around in me is like. The guy that's GonNa. Come out and kill somebody. You know just the 'cause I don't WanNa young so. We'll see what's up. But this first time that has been getting. He's been getting I. I'm like. Oh. My wife is her. That man is hurt. Help that man out man. He's on suicide, watch. Oh, he's. He coming for your Bryant, he just, he just counterpunched. Man I don't care man. He's on Suicide Watch. that. Man Cut murder today. You got you got murdered. Today may eat. It needed his good. Come back with something stronger. You got took out the day now you're a suicide. Watch straight up. All the cops. Brandon, man. Cyp. Look man or the personal shit save that. If you ain't jumping on these boxing bores, remember I'm not a real rapper. He branded Jack. You're sorry, sound like fat ass, opponent embattled. Stop talking personal. This is a free public show people. Announcement all of up combing. All of you could do boxing board. We're not paying to do this. Why are you calling in talking about somebody who's willing to actually do it like this? T audience is. It's weird as fuck. Don't even participate which I hate when you're allowed to participate. Nobody stopping. Many you from getting near. You like up Shits Alaska you trying to go to Baltimore and get these his Schecter? Just listened to entertainment shot to everybody. WHO's man enough to wrap everybody? WHO's man enough to? Spit shutout your and I love your win or lose. Anything I'm GonNa Suicide Watch me. Follow my page Solomon facebook. Math mashed all. Do have a great life. My I. Do this for fun. aggregrate life. You have a great life. We're. His to Graham. See The ethics, mice degree Carlos Low, some more is my facebook stall suffering and seven seven soccer me every single day satisfaction. If you have to think I'm this dude WHO's depressed? It's so upset about life period. This show is not it. This is not this is a little bit academy. Entertainment that I love to debate argue this is not real. Real. CUT It out. Counterparts for Cyp from could Christopher never heard before. Get ready to see why. Thank you. Thank you I. Appreciate that blessed once again once again ended the day. It's a free show. Called in spit. It don't matter if you win or lose it. Don't matter what I'm trying to do is make sure that the UK go with America you get a fair school. John what that is shows why you don't want their if if I'm so. If I'm. Just like wow, so choice, he said No. How can you are given? How can we get a chat me? How how how Serena number one boxer, patting years, but bulb that's how do y'all Katie y'all hate black exits. Don't hate black. Do look good as accessible in A. Row. S. That was Phil I. Definitely. Not S PA that's my. Boy. I prepare. oh. Yeah, that's right. You're right. That's Hilarious uh, that number disappeared, but it was. Oh Man! He dropped off again while number one. Tyrone on. A while ago, P Man. This is what I was GonNa say what you are. The DUDE GETS? Gifted. The most. counter-punches and boomerangs remember you was a triple van. So! It almost sounds crazy that you're saying those same people would not vote for you. Are. You saying that there's more haters than the people that like you because the people that like you are definitely showing up and that's consistent. That's not just today you and I both know. There's boomerang is Jordan. Bacon Florida I think once upon a time. Maybe it was Jordan kill cows and Kelly gave you the boomerang for long period of time and then someone else. Who the heck was maybe was Yada Ali maybe. You. Arrive. At, do me how much to in the show. All big, Nick UK stand. Big Nick. You. See. This, India, I'm shocked that Maria lost guys. Man I can't believe it. It's almost like. When who lives is Martinez, didn't get the win against Charlie was because he was A. Lucky hit him on the ground I'm shot guy I didn't expect to get wind up was kind of in and out on the show but. America boy, you can stand up. You got start wrapping yourselves. Men come on what's going on this marriage so? We got two heavyweight. Trump's the world. We run the TV V. Superman Super Mideast. The pound for pound border was number one, and now we the book Simba's Number One. Oh my God! This is killing. Your best call. That's true, Bro. Midi has been put down for years crazy craziness. Intriguing credible on the super chat says it's a bunch of sheep's in here. We all know it's that's what CYP was saying. Get judges, and it kills all bias I. Mean we still waiting for that very same guy intrigued to book? You know a Wednesday co host. So he could also book us a judge because he's got connections. Get a battle rapper a thought. Maybe. I'm tripping Joe. I'm like I feel like going in. I follow Cassidy Cassidy Right. Yeah. He likes he loves box. Where the answer you because if he is our. Man He real dude. Here real rapper and he likes boxing now. That would be great. 'CAUSE I. I used to listen to cassidy bagging day. Oh, you saying. I used to watch his battle raps, so that would be. To? Take a shot and just try to highlight the Chan see if you answered me back Meka's on. Listen we could. We could get with the backchannel. Get you know the most consistent loyal people that guy social media and do it as a tag team like. Let's say it's twenty five people like at one. Come on, you. Know May talked about that on the replies. That would be good. brand new SAID KATHLEEN DO A. Thousand I I. I'm feeling like he would want to say. It is because I get it, but he likes boxing. James. What's the harm Tryon James? Would A. Yeah? MUTED UP! Yeah, no, that wasn't James Always figure oh! I. Oh okay. We got the greatness greatness you got I. got you chant did? Is. He added no way. is He's back hey. How are you? How was the ozarks? Is. Cool man, it was a it was a good time got a nice little sunburn. Yeah, I watched that series. Not Those ours, but the other one with the same duty did on HBO. That's good outsider. Yeah, Oh yeah, that was a good show Nassau. is in the. Now, that's not the is. I was just wondering I is easy. Going to come back is going to be one of those outside of I got back ahead some personal stuff. When my ex wife, my ex wife moved back into a my hometown, which is good because I got my kids back fulltime so but. Kind of awesome here for you, brother. Knows but I I've been doing with that. I have not been duck and I know you were saying that is. But I and I was so unimpressed with today. That I think I got to come back and just put put my name back in this dude. Ready you ain't ready for. Bring in Brea. He ain't a bubble buddy. Catching Fades dog. I, think I think I'm ready for everybody again. Same Mario all respect tomorrow. He's the king, but he's bored he. That was weird what he put out there today, man. It wasn't that was bored. I was trying to make people not bored of me I guess. and. I heard a whole verse with no boxing I mean. Man Anyway I appreciate y'all be I'll be back more regularly. And Put money back in. Mentor JT. You know it's never personal. Keeping it boxing though inactivity, I got a call for the photo for the. Chan it's never personal you know and I hope everything goes well with the fame. Is that intrigued with another super chat, says She said you wasn't a big enough shows says you can't get to come on. That's what she said just saying oh now now. We not as friendly, taken a shot side as now. That's what she said. Okay okay I'll I'll see it intrigue. Look you like a little cat or so or marry like Mario said. Pussy cat your calls out right now. So now you little magic. She say you ain't big enough. You can't get by scratch scratch okay. I get it I like it I like. y'All, but we out GTO Huda. Coach me coach. Middle. How. Pond still looks like He. Dover. Amendment we might have sleep. Fell Asleep and I woke up. You still own. Throw. Water break that up Brown coal out your I this TV calling you. Know Man. But. I'm always been writing for you. Oh. Let me, be serious. To a UK Champi see I'm telling you like breaking news and on, but let me be serious secondment. I actually fought like my man. See why be one men. Cyp One pile of the week. We'll. Take A. Packet complement. His No compliment met the guy all man. Nano, you have to be serious the. When have to give credit to someone when you have to listen to his ball for the second time there you know is not good. I'm s what I'm saying man like. The second time is true. I was better is sounded better, but you can just be saying. Oh, we've got to listen to it for a second time. We want you to give you some credit. Casual killed him. You know and. I heard it right for the first time and casual. Man That was the best best ball it's. Not just like. For human from the whole. Boorda was ever you'd have killed anyone to the. You'd kill anyone. Of US should retirement homes right like. I believe you too I've felt that way, too. Your. Finance got, but seriously one I'll fell asleep and you guys. A good good shoe course to keep your head. Now you know boxing bars official man, you know we still growing. We still got some things that we gotta work out I. Guess or take a look at just a you know not be so close minded but. We was rocking. We was rocking tree. Would everyone did wellman everyone intrigue with another counterpunch? She says guests. She's a bartender. I got something for. You is since I'm hating laughing allied Emoji, even though French toast promotions. Crooked I'm still looking out for Ya scam artists. y'All. He's in a matrix in the algorithm three computers like. Cameras not. All right I'm just saying he probably really in the bow. He got that smoked pillow fans. Now. That's book was when they go. 'cause I was really on listening and just I wanted to comment as Carter I, so I just waited in line on all. That by really fell asleep. Meant so you don't WanNa see me, do you do you? Is it true. Is it true like in my in my spit in lives here hyping it up? Egypt's versus Cyp the biggest to make out there. Like it is obviously from a marketing standpoint, it's always been the case right like you gave us as the US. This is what's Donald do time in the charts. That's was going on for real in boxing. And Adrian can do it for real right that the only thing is like I didn't feel like people were going to understand Idris on his flow, but it won them over, and he has like the real Baas. Cyp. I mean it's kind of right to men. People just tuning to Hades on him, but they hating him for a reason. It was in good. That's no hate the saints. Goodman but yeah. That's the best fight when I think that's the. Flow was good at all. He's GonNa call you a hater. But I saw. I wasn't expecting anything less. Often, you was weird. Many just like just coming in, and he said Hey. Cyp's yet me. Comedian, you know I mean. As. Weird shifts like like people. Is is coming for you with a counterpunch courtesy, courtesy of Ken. No look it's can, it's the. It's the. It's the people paying for him to come back and. Does what I'm saying. Say Fell. Asleep and people still ended ten and paying for that, so that must have been good, but commonly bring him on. I want to hear him. Man Listen mid mid. The fact that you said it was trash. So garbage I think that proves the point man that proves it y'all a bias you. She got smartest. Understand that when you weren't you one see I. Want because I've got the numbers I want, but don't call me in. To these, he's proved everybody like. If that was that was track every person I did it for before this. That's on the show. They are they all the same line. Coincidental y'all take the same line to so one of those things are not true. Either the Lai was fire some both y'all Emma's please roof I thought it was was good trust and it was wet now it'll change that fast moment. Everybody got the team. How come y'all thing always comes off mad. We're stopping me. Did you damn so we can hear about? Are you talking about so? Stop it because remember you can be invited to and if you really wanted to. Yard and know the rules the rules at. Weber! Cyp I'm Never GonNa Front icon rob land you know. That's all good dot. com hurt me. CHOOSE ICON RAP on clam. The could you know you have to know your boundaries? You know you boundaries. US problem. In you know so. That's a good way to put. It got Israel Webber with the Super Chat. This says me. AND AEGIS FOR NOBEL In Exhibition. So to JT. He rolling out Tyson to shoot that down My champion doesn't fight exhibitions. What are you bring to the table? If you're going to sweeten his beak? Maybe we can think about putting on A. Show, but we got other things going on man that we can't just stop what we're doing. Not Defend our title to go play with you. but I think that's just how we're done finally, so I'm GonNa. Go ahead and say I revert. She have a good night. Everybody and Catches on the next one as detail, instagram and twitter. Sick neither body, but before you go see P infinity say knows. I'm going to. Very Very. Bamdad trash. Egypt's against, somebody? You can call somebody trust, steady flow garbage in and say yeah, that would be the best. Night's come on Man Stop Y'all know what to do if you are scared of a panel, if yours. SHOWS TO HOLD TV. How free are everything being fair for Suwalki I? Know you need a hand chat to stick around Johnny Handy Chapter beat me. I'm saying if you get a panel of picked judges and I lose, you won't hear a super chat counterparts for me at all, but as long as it's his third, and that was, and you want me to start rapping. How many people boxing bar Saturday's? That was trash? was happy to see them rap again. Man, stop it. Stop It. Man Solid a clown. Amount of you have a good day, so he won't four judges. Dan I three, not the typical Duri. Dale. We're going to have to want to safety judge to you. Know a judge, the judge the judge. A judge the judge is using the. In Florida, I see you. See the of everything I think every time I think got everybody. Somebody pops up. Would a man Gresh show the best service. Is Keep. Everybody likes grabbing. Join Pete John I'M A. All Right Christopher says great show today on a super chat. Thank you Christopher now. We really got to everybody intrigue. Then I. Give you the Boomerang. Boomerang. Ordinary ain't give it some. Boomerang, but yeah megachurches man clear out a bias G