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Yahoo Finance Presents: David Chang
"It. Welcomes, who finance presents I'm Andy Serwer and welcome to our guest, David Chang founder of Mamuka, Restaurant Group, host of show ugly delicious, and author of a new memoir eat appears David great to see you. Thank you for having. So of big question to start things off what do you think the state of the restaurant businesses in the United States given Kobe characterize things right now. Not Good. It's the covert has expose a lot of the underlying. Issues. All. Industries. Had and unthinking a lot of people have talked about but has been well known and documented. Announced been exposed, right the the fragile working environment, the six cost. All of these issues are now sort of front and center in. The conversation is what we do about it. The government is leads to intervene a little bit more not a little bit more a lot more. But I don't know what's going to happen in in. You know saying that it's a lot like that you thousand eight financial prices. Except that, it's not too big to fail too small. Ryan could be worth only you see all these small restaurants on you have the ability to tap. Initial backers presumably to know. But even still, no, we're we're we're we're a predicament ourselves. We still have restaurants. Costs haven't changed. You know it's this is an issue and. Even though we're not technically banks most cash flow that goes into restaurants goes dmitriy out only differences we're not charging interest and and. So, many other businesses are dependent on restaurants whether it's florist. Purveyors artisans. So this is going to have severe repercussions and I'm not sure exactly what's going to happen the issue really is this is an acceleration of ten to fifteen years and. You're going to have the middle squeezed out and you're going to have. Eventual. Recovery of high end in certain high end restaurants are doing well I think high end Sushi talion. Japanese like delivery like Sushi machi roles are doing well, but fast food like how are you if you're an independent restaurant how you supposed to compete against? Companies that have access to public markets. I I mean that's the thing is only applebee's going to survive and those are just the reality. Rhino. Foods and food has to get more expensive. Nobody likes to hear that. And Just me lies on. What we have to fix the model. You know we have too many workers that don't have health care. We have too many issues. About benefits and this is just We can't let this happen again, and one way we can do this is obviously charge warm because one of the issues that we've had is everything's got more expensive. It's what we can charge for food. And That's that's gotta change but the issue really is high fast food business. They're not gonNA charge more. And I say fast food. I think in incorporates a chain restaurants as well. They're gonNA probably drive their prices cheaper to drive out competition. So we're GONNA have a real issue here. Let alone the the lack of oversight for food delivery and logistics, which is giant business that should be government regulated and. This is this is a severe problem that is not being address. You mentioned the government should there be targeted bail out for restaurants the restaurant business specifically. Well. PP was people think that it was but it really was a temporary Gandhi and I know that they're you know we talked to a lot of elected officials. In terms of what needs to happen for restaurants I think that in the priority, it's not there yet. They need help local municipalities, pay hospitals in schools I. So I'm not sure where the money's GonNa come from, and secondly I don't know where their solidarity in our own business. A lot certainly, something needs to happen and I can see both sides of the argument on the restaurant end about what in how Inventions to be but. At this point I, we'll take any help. How do we design when to open restaurants and by how much I mean he saw the governor Cuomo just said the twenty five percent in. New York. It doesn't doesn't do anything in fact that just. Again If restaurants were limited to ninety person capacity, ninety percent of restaurants still because. I mean especially New York City. The model is built on one hundred percent occupants. Let's. Listen like let's look at the outliers on this equation, right? Because there's so many variables in minutia that are all really important. But let's just look at this one fact. If we don't answer this, then everything doesn't matter anyway. I would argue that at minimum twenty percent of top line revenue of a business whether you're small bar or high-end dining and everything in between in urban areas. Is derived from business corporate accounts. So you talk about private dining. Happier. Catering office catering in expense accounts that's at minimum twenty percent. I'd argue in New York that's probably a minimum thirty percent of top line revenue a healthy business, which is probably like less than five percent of businesses operate fifteen percent you know net like that is like a rarity. Where the hell is that difference GonNa Come? Because there's a vaccine as we can all see, cities aren't going to come back to pre pandemic levels especially, corporate environments, an office workers. So we just have to focus on that issue and realize wait this is a fundamental problem and how we're going to operate our restaurants and part of it as we need to start having pragmatic. Answers to real problems that we know are going to happen. They're not fun to think about that. The reason why we're here is if you just think about the lack of office workers or restaurants. How lived under? How are we going to fill that void? I don't have an answer and people talk about tax credits you there but that's again a temporary solution. So you know I, I don't like bring a Debbie Downer about this but I think that we need to come up with innovative solutions and I hope in coming up with impossible like an answer to these impossible problems. I mean, you've talked about the safe adjust reopening ran. Just, not GonNa Twenty, five percents nonsense. It's just nonsense we need to have protocol. When you have contacting, we need to have everything that Seoul Korea every other country. Has Except for America right now, for the most part right I talked to my friends in Europe talk to my friends. In Hong Kong China Korea Japan, they're not having these issues dining in is at a a a not normal per se but it's a lot better than what it is you. Get closer I mean, isn't the point though that would quote was trying to do is like, okay, it'll be criminal November I will be fifty percent of things work but you say we need tests Thought about them like how you're GonNa get there I get the. Most restaurants probably won't make two percent, right right and then you're gonNa have and again that's a temporary solution for the the beginning of winter coming. So all in a trolley car problem, right we have to figure out what is the the? Worst scenario and twenty five percent is just a random number. It's an arbitrary number, right? The end of the day you cannot operate a business particularly in New York City if it's not one hundred percent, it's. In right now. Employers and employees and guests don't feel comfortable doing. So so I don't have an answer. Right. Right. Let's talk about. Your book, a little bit shift gears EDP. So. You talked about some misconceptions about you and restaurants get into that a little bit for David. Could you elaborate on that? Well. that. People. Think that you know it's just maybe one just nice. Happy Narrative easy. So easy. Now. my dad immigrated this country nineteen, sixty, three, eight worked in restaurants for. Thirty plus years of his life. To make sure I would never work in restaurants in the reason being. It's incredibly difficult. It's so hard. And even if you go to a fancy high end restaurant, wherever seems flawless. It's it's not an easy way to to make a living. It seems glamorous, but it's it's. It's. It's a very difficult business that ultimately is a labor of love and you know. It's a calling as I say. It's not for anybody you wrote openly in the book about struggles that you had with mental health was that hard for you to to put down on paper? I think originally, it was incredibly difficult. Especially, when I first started a see how get help like two, thousand, three, two, thousand, four, I never thought in my wallet was imagination I had ever been so open about talking about it but I think as I've dealt with my own issues, my own mental illnesses become something that I've been able to share with other friends who've had their own issues and I think at the end of the day. As I've gotten older I think. At least I could do is like not be afraid and to be a little bit more open about it and maybe that would. Help people because the up your stigma attached to mental illness? Right. You also write about the male dominated world and sexism has that changed I remember reading kitchen confidential and you know Anthony was disturbed very matter of fact about it was. A long time ago now, things have changed and obviously they're the metoo moment has come to your to your world very much. So but any progress there or not? I think though entire industry is. Trying to ask themselves the questions of why right and in there is movement and. I've certainly been part of the boys club. Certainly, it's not just about to I. Think we're at a point about equality representation and opportunity and I think. Treating people the way you would want to treat it in. The industry particularly certain Kinda dining is based on the military. And a lot of that toxic behaviors I came from that and and I've been a bully and verbally abuse people in something that I've worked really hard on, but it's also. It's not the entire culture, but it's certainly been the part that has been celebrated and. It's long overdue that. People are saying this doesn't work anymore. In fact, it's never really worked and I don't know exactly what's going to happen but I think it's a good place where people are asking. Let's not let's not to. Continue this. Let's try to come up with a new solution a new way doing. Right. Talk politics a little bit Stephen Ross is an investor in your restaurants. He's back trump in a fund raiser you. Maybe suggested that wasn't such a great idea. I'm curious. How active can you get in politics without alienating customers potentially If I had the alienate customers to believe what I think is right then Soviet and. That whole issue of what happened is not something that I'm I ever thought it to deal with but You know I respectfully disagree strongly with with. anyone that Supports Donald Trump and. We're doing everything we can sort of. Do our do our part and. I think you can't in this day and age Nazi politics and It's not something you're supposed to talk about at the dinner, table but. In the world of food. so much of what you eat is literally. You know stems from. So it's it's something you should talk about whether it's immigration. Or the environment, this is all really important stuff and I just. I strongly disagree that you shouldn't talk all. I should ask you the top maybe but where do you restaurants stand right now? David. Interest opening carry out. Take out. All we've pivoted a lot of our restaurants to carry out and take away. Four we did that we spent I would say almost three months in probably. How many minimum three thousand dollars two, thousand hours. A developing standard operating procedure for safety protocol and protective equipment. once we implemented that we open sourced it so it could be a resource because we do have resources available us that other people don't. Because we're all in this together and we need solidarity one restaurant. Doesn't have answers doesn't help like we need everybody to operate on the same page. And you know we we you know two years ago. Our CEO Margaret Mary Scowl presented to the board an option to. Change revenue from the four walls of a restaurant being one hundred percent of our revenue just fifty. And that was our goal in five years so we've had a plan to. To to to. Enter into the consumer product goods business who did that with pines? And we we've been launching it. So we've had a lab for ten plus years were finally now in a position to start to sell it directly to the consumer. I, we had a plan that we were going to unveil for five year plan, and because of the pandemic we patch, it do that in six months so. We're doing anything and everything obviously to try to make ends meet but we are focusing efforts on. A lot of the products that we've developed and sounded we have Momofuku Chile crunch. We are savers salt soy sauce in a variety of metric products. So we've been sitting on a treasure trove of of RND and I'm incredibly thankful that we have that because this is this is something we strongly believe in a it's a very. Important part of our business in for. A couple of quick last questions you were in finance so for our audience. In Finance. Why don't you get out? Because, I was terrible at it. I mean, I worked for painewebber at a private wealth asset management. This is before was UBS. For a couple of years. And not surprise I was one of the few people that didn't get offered a job. Amber. My terrible I just didn't do Ellen's Bul. I was a religion nature and. Everyone I knew as either going into dot com like the ninety nine bubble burst or banking that was really it in my world. And not a surprise, I get a job really either place. So I entered the financial business. However, I could just was terrible added and I didn't have the aptitude work ethic and I realized even if I was really good at it, still wind up being average. Songs, like I can't do this. This is just I don't have a heart for it. Well food is out. There are glad you watched out David so. No loss at all and then finally what are you cooking during coroner? My God I could so much. First of all I cook for my son's been running around. So that's why I've been looking at this I know. I Cook for him a lot and it's a challenge is to get him to eat whatever I make for him these eighteen months. He's now at the point of a liking one thing one day another I don't like that. But I'm I'm making everything you name it for hot dogs to roast chicken too cramped, and at the Japanese food am a private chef to my family and I'm happy I'm doing that I I. It's one positive quarantine is being able to spend time with my son and my famine wisdom. I never would have been able to before so I'm thankful for. In their lucky ones. David Jang author of the new book. Eat a peach. Thank you so much joining us.
#AskDave, March 2021
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David i have spent a lot of time on zoom looking at each other wonder if this friendship will translate to realize the answer was no it was it's been it's been nice seeing a fuck me. I didn't record Christopher our keep on going we are going on in my god all right and christopher you have to apologize audience morning for foul. Your audio will be better. Why was your audio not so good. Christopher was a bad boy again. Dump them i. I'm wearing the dunce cap. Hold on and go on my horner chris. This is an audio only meet him. You don't have to actually do. The gesture can't believe well. What's crazy an audio only medium. It's crazy that we put the effort into getting this. Dave chang show branded dunce. Cap made that. I cannot put on my head every time i forget to report is crazy. Are we going to do like a lie. But we gotta do like all the other stuff. It's all like look you know. They have these zoom clips and it seems cool. And we can do that dave. Just ask for it asking. You shall receive. Are you talking to us talking before you ask the question about the production of this podcast that i produced and so i gave you an answer. Hello is likely. I produces podcasts. You're not gonna introduce me. Dave isaac just said he will only do spot up threes. Occasionally wait for this podcast. Because chris runs the show on this podcast so i don't look to me spot up threes after were up by thirty five or down by thirty three degree to do spot up three in the corner and he just ran out to the point and stole the ball. I don't seven seven minutes. Left any shot it from half court. I got a good if we're ready to get into the questions. I've got a good one to start us off here. We do want to go straight into it. Here's wanna talk a little bit more bullshit this into it. let's go. let's play a game. Dave you this is a this is an email from somebody. We have Read an email from before. And i want you to try to guess his name okay. This'll make sense. When i start to reading reading Love the show. I'm a neuro oncology. Sinai and much of my time is spent talking to patients about coming to terms with diagnoses. That don't unfortunately don't have a cure but cetera et cetera et cetera et skipping skipping the phenomenon of bespoke asian american names real. I know women's and whelan's i even grew up with a kid named stanford law but my dad says he just picked insert name out of a name book. No fancy origin story. My older sisters are named sharon and alison. So i don't think he realized he was setting me up for a lifetime of double takes anytime someone says my name and public. Can you name the listener. That sent this email in. Isn't it ignatius. it's not. He said the question about foods that make you feel good. When you're like rehabilitating or something harris sympathetic heroine yeah that's it that. I don't even know what it is but i found out he. We have a mutual friend. Friends with are the good. The good man alan yang Director producer screenwriter extraordinaire Hey is i'm passing the ball the corner. Can you remember this this listeners. Name oh god Berbick this listeners. Nameless abraham's j. o. Jeff throw who is back yet through the man with the flutes dancing man with the flute locomotive breath and themselves jetro. Who wrote it. I believe last time he wrote in he was Defending breakfast in bed as a necessity for the para sympathetic nervous system and I think last time we called him out and told told him to prove his credentials. He went to college berkeley med school at. Ucsf so he is a legitimate doctor and we still disagree about breakfast in bed. So that was that was i i Ask dave game Let's get into some more here. Let me see Rob fortnum wrote into ask. David major media dot com. My brother and i are at an impasse when it comes to our philosophy around kitchen knives. My brother splurges for higher end expensive knives. If ever sharpens them. I have opted for the more moderate set of six knives and a woodblock kitchenaid or some similar quality but i sharpened is at least quarterly. We are both pretty stubborn and argue about which approach is better What do you think if what does this brother's name and one that's right. There's no brother named here. Let's call them. Isaac no no freud. Wow what's a good name for. Rob's brother todd. Todd is rob's brother. I don't like the name todd. Let's just mike you've done on this podcast. So mike is the mike just so everyone who is now completely lost. Mike buys knives. Never sharpens them. Rob buys you know. Six knife sets in woodblock and sharpens them quarterly wall. It's clear that rob weather is older or younger. Is the better looking more intelligent more mature. Just a better person overall then mike and rob. I think it's off evident. You are a beacon of light and wisdom. You are the library of alexandria in this dark dark dark dark world that we live in. Because you've shown the way the truth and the light that you don't need these fancy knives like your brother mike. Who just doesn't know exactly what to do with him but just wants to look cool. We like rob mr substance over mr style. And you know it's fortunate. Yeah you have to have a brother. Like mike. And i guess you know you have to have the in yang. You have to have the the dark evil. Do i mean listen. I've given away most of my knives. I knew that a few years back. When i realized like oh i just pretend the name. I'm just like a pratt. Pretend chef. I don't like actually have to do anything anymore. Because i'm one of those guys now and i really want to see my tools get used by cooks and and i'm happy to give him most of my knives out in fact i think i've given them all away and i used to have quite a nice bag of knives And it's something. I've always done throughout my career given away. Nice nice to people. I think it's a very memorable gifts. And now i just use whatever whenever i own a doggy. I don't even own you know y. When am i going to break down fish at home. When am i going to break down sides of burry or tuna or whatever. I'm not and i hope to never ever do that ever again. I've just never gonna do that at home and professional kitchens. Those days are gone. I'm not going back. I'm not going back. And if i need to see someone else's but usually because look he's a great to follow up questions for me on the knife gift thing one. Have you ever received a nice knife as a as a gift from a chef or somebody that you respected. If knows never beloved enough by anybody work for usually yelled at this usually. It was a expression of contempt. This fucking guy is here again. Jesus christ you had taken away from you. I've actually worked at places where my nicer thrown away. so what. oh yeah. What do you mean people were thrown is away in the trash all the time. Just as a fuck you fuck you. That's exactly what it was. I mean especially your your petty nights. Cheaper nizer your serrated the things you use a lot things would be thrown away or just stolen. Feels like a safety hazard. If you put a knife in a trash can not with a small petty knife okay. That is really terrible. Yeah but like. I've had more knives taken from me than zero is given to me. I've had knives given to me. In fact i get a lot of is given to me but rarely do i ever use them anymore. It's it's i think the most important thing about this knife culture especially the higher and there are some great knife makers in america. Obviously japan has sort of a monopoly. Stranglehold on knives. You don't just buy you have to maintain it. It is buying a luxury car. That's how i look at them and in your knife bag you have different names for different roles but a lot of higher and stuff. They're just race cars. That's how i look at them. They're really sleek race cars. That need fine tuning in maintenance and you just can't just be like whatever so a lot of people when i go to kitchen's not kitchens their homes and they have like especially when they're not professional cooks they have a lot of not nice denies but they're like knives that are in japanese or chinese characters and they look they just look like they're really expensive sometimes they are. They have no idea what they're doing on them back scratchers they're literally just kind of sharpness each on your back and that's how i call them. That are just not even weapons. They're just blunt instruments to watch your back and you know unfortunately a lot of cooks have them as well. Just don is one of the best cooks i ever worked with from texas. He had all believe they were whitewater. Stops or yeah. There are white. Handle worst-off so i just thought that was cool number one but they were all stops and you don't see a complete set like that And they were the sharpest knives. I'd ever come across that guy. Sharpen them all least one america right anybody in america that thinks they have great skills. Just go to japan. Just stop. don't ever think you're awesome in life skills. Just don't ever think that because it's like saying. Hey you're really great soccer player in america. You're the best you get to europe. You're like oh man here that that that messy guys really good. Did i say you know what it's like when a lot of younger chefs cooks. Think they have the best knife skills. Because it's a really humbling experience when you get the japan and you see them like surgeons with all their knives laid out in front of them especially when you get to like the higher end to three mission star restaurants and it's precision like you've never seen before and they sharpen their knives sometimes four times a day for usually at least after every service and it's a beautiful thing you know in america i have a a medium cheap like you see my knife. I have like a fifty dollar worst-off in my house and i don't care. Yeah do you ever even use i. Imagine maybe use. Like a cheap paring knife from now from victoria knox's the only knife i liked but beyond that at home. Are you really ever using anything. Other than your chef's knife in your paring knife would it would have a steel number one So you're you're also massaging your food rather than slicing. would i need a steel windu. Do i need the precision to make sure that the micro blade is like perfect No sharpened my knives. When i have no choice because usually it's like when i'm trying to cut through a piece of fish ooh you're you're pressing the fish opening breaking it no matter how much i wanna cut through the. It's just it's like it's like when you get that little blain on your toenail clipper and that's what it's like when you're trying to cut through shit. I'm like wow that's embarrassing. Yeah because you don't want to because you're sawing through it you're just like pressing through it so my second. Follow up question on this. And now we've spent four hundred hours on this is it's you guys. It does korean culture. Have the sort of like verboten gifts. Because chinese culture if somebody gives me a knife or a watch or things that carolina sort of certain symbolism with death or mortality. I have to give them a dollar if the give my friend a dollar if they give me a knife as a gift so that it was no longer gift it was something i paid for because like to give a watch or a knife or a clock to somebody in chinese culture. Were very superstitious around death. You guys don't have this. You're looking at a fucking crazy person. Well i'm just gonna give lots of clocks nine. I just saw dave ever time. I'm just going to get a dollar back to share the superstition of the number four. But it's not nearly as strong. Here's a quick story in australia. One of the biggest Should i say nobody wants to have a license plate with force right just an asian culture four is you know symbolically like death. It's not what you want. And one of the richest wales. Because i you know it's going to close in june but i spent a lot of time down there in its in a casino one of the wales down. There had a license plate. That was all force it was like. Wow that is your kind of crazy. That's wild was he. He was he was asian. She was chinese. Wow yeah that's contrary fuck. He's also what i remember. Affirmative told the largest dildo sex toy manufacturer in the world s also contrary and contrary. Yeah dave i know. We shouldn't linger on this. But just point of clarification. The world's largest dildo manufacture it meaning the largest dildos or the. Bill party both beyond. Okay i just wanna be extra clear. Yes that's a great distinction to make. I like how we do. The segue of knives for mike and rob into building was longest in size or scope. Life is boxed chocolates. Come on you never know what you're going to get here on the show. Pivoting to the hottest topic of the day. Chang show shoes indoors guys nice handful of of stuff here on the shoes endorsing on one front dave. We have found a significant number of allies in our northern neighbors in canada. Many people from canada writing in including roberta nakuchi from haines junction yukon territory. And laura sutter. Who says just came to say the my family. And i are the most pasty white people ever and my mom would never have let us wear shoes in the house growing up. You take them off by the door by mom and still that. It's dirty to wear shoes through the house and also disrespectful to whoever's the person in charge of cleaning the house Like i said. Roberta nakuchi also wrote and she was one of many canadians. Who say that. We don't wear our fucking shoes up here in the house. I don't know it doesn't matter regardless of your race ain't no shoes inside and canada while having spent a lot of time in canada. It's very clear. There's a correlation strong correlation between not wearing shoes in your house and being asian and being canadian. I mean it just makes sense. They're very very hospitable. Nice people courteous high empathy. I love canada. I love it very very much. And if trump won again. I was definitely going to move to canada. I think that Actually can't remember if i read laura sutter's email. I can't remember if she's actually from canada. But i thought her point was amazing. I think it is disrespectful to the people like you go to their house and you fucking walk in there and you dirty their house. that's bullshit. That's what she was saying. It's disrespectful to wear shoes in other people's houses like not just always ask at least ask at least ask or or start taking them off and let them be like no no no. I'm expecting if i am in a house where you know. Leave your shoes on. I'm always expecting the opposite of coming to america with the rose petals. I'm expecting somebody to show up like throwing peanuts and sawdust with every step all right now on the other side you ask for it and you got it dave. We gotta fuck in We've got an asian person here with stockholm syndrome. Who rejects shoes. The no shoes endorse jimmy. Ho love the show. I grew up in an asian household. We didn't wear shoes inside of the house. However i lived in a frat house in college for the four was discussing. Now i have two corgis as an adult. So i'm not stepping in pook p barrett. Jimmy is saying that he doesn't wear shoes inside. I think because he lets his dogs poop and pee inside thoughts. I think i heard about this jimmy character. He's like a college legend that he got his head stuck in the keg greater and he never was stuck jammed in the between two kegs and he was stuck there and he had to call help. And i think this is the same jimmy. I think that's the only explanation. This rationale here is like you look puzzle to jimmy. What what are you saying. Jimmy ho is not only like forsaking his dignity as an asian person. He's also four going his dignity as a human being by allowing his dogs to poop and pee inside his own home. Like i don't really understand. I mean maybe he's telling us you know this is like silence of the lambs and he's trapped and to call for help to cry for help. He's basing put lotion in the basket. Dogs being dirty or whatever you wipe their paws his very good really really good impression before my god so much. It's so fucking good let's see do. Should we take a minute here to do. Some shout outs to our five star listeners. I think at this yes. Can you read go back or some forensic evidence. I gotta put my calories spectacles on from hope because it doesn't make any sense. I just wanna make sure 'cause chris you've had a long day you might be a little delirious led to me i wanted to if you wanna do some glory style Inspecting here however i lived in a frat house in college so the four was discussing that sentence to me reads because he lived in the house the floors discussing. Maybe jimmy ho is making the floor disgusting and therefore cannot wear shoes because he is like. He's like pig pen from peanuts and everywhere he goes. There's like a cloud of dust behind him. Is he the cause of his own dirty floors. Jimmy how before we we just need you to write in again and he clarified before we know opined any further jimmy ho please clarify and We need to know because we're worried about trade name though. Jimmy love jimmy Let's do a couple of quick shout outs here. We have not come up with any system. I don't think we're going to say some people's names who gave us five stars on. Itunes joe mcgill. Thank you very much for five stars. John mooney says he gave us five stars and would like us to give him five stars so he can tell his wife. He's a five star. Man john i don't know how to give you five stars exactly but Dave wants you can you. Can you tell john moonies wife. That he's a five star man so he he has that for the record john. You're the best five-star star man. I've ever heard of my life. I'm proud to know you and to your lovely spouse just know you're lucky lucky person a lucky woman to have such a five star man. Glenn gabriel gave us five stars and was expecting five in return for his podcast called coaching kids curling in which he talks about teaching youth curling. And you know what guys. I went out there and i gave them five stars. I went and did that for a so. Glenn gabriel it. Can i just say having covered curling for the winter olympics. What a very difficult support to to understand again because there is no correlation between the score and winning. If i don't even understand they're just they're just like rolling stones down the ice and then randomly picking a winner is basically. The origin of curling goes to scotland or something like that but clearly whenever was vented. Hundreds of years ago probably was invented with the invention of distilled liquor or something like that because no way that game was created without a lot of alcohol. Yeah it was not created are played with a sober mind. Alvin coup believe wrote into our. Ask dave account and asks who. I love this one. What is your view on the five second rule at home. i know what you're restaurants. That's not a question but at home if that juicy piece of spam falls on the floor for two seconds what do you do. Well i try not to. Since i have a dog and there's always dog hair everywhere and that would be nice but if you ask my son hugo matter five seconds fifty seconds i cannot stop him from when he dropped something on the floor no matter how long it's been there from putting it directly back into his mouth. I think when i was a kid i was the same way you know and also while i was in college to now i choose not to. That's interesting actually thought you might go the other way. But in and isaac. I saw raise an eyebrow seems like isaac is anti second row off the floor no way germs man How do you count free now in your mouth. It's a great way strengthening your immune system. Put it out how vitamins i prefer vitamins to strengthen tonight this vitamin system. What is clorox to kill corona. No is stop. Stop stop taking three pointers. Just stop. i'm a fucking second ruler. Guys time and i will say like dave probably more. In my shittier years of life i would eat whatever garbage live about on a sidewalk new york city street. I mean i've seen that done before. Well dave let me ask you this. What did i drop pizza. I've seen pizza. i've seen i've seen pizza. Drop not not cross eyed down literally cheesy cross site down for sure new york. I've never seen seaside down and chris down that's a normal occurrence using cheese site down and you've seen someone pick it up in a friend of mine. Yeah an ex friend of yours talk to this person and some time. We went to college together. Yes i was about what i was saying. I was saying to my wife the other day. Like one of the many many ancillary shitty parts of this pandemic is that like because i'm like captain covert in my social groups. I'm just like so. Hyper aware of masks and protocols and all that stuff it's really annoying to me because like that's not i'm the dirtiest fucking person in the world like i all eat olly croft side down pizza off the ground all eat all that shit and so like i hate this perception that i'm i'm a germaphobe. When in fact i once a to a nacho from a stranger who had very dirty hands in a taco area like i'll eat i'll eat whatever so anyway i'm dirty. I'm looking forward to being dirty again after all this. Thanks for sharing. let's a few more five stars. You're sarah from cincy. Says her mind is blown with the microwave. Podcast thank you for the five stars. Gardini dang another a thumbs up for the microwave. Five stars lot of response to the microwave episodes people of the microwave now well our listeners. A smart as it turns out. Oh here's a good one chauncey mcgahan best podcast bar none my opinion fact hilarious and informing but as is correct. Three musketeers is the has candy bar. 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My question is outside of the classics like hot dogs. Peanuts and sausages. What are your favorite non traditional foods to eat at a ballpark for me. Boiled peanuts is southern. Classic was a nice change of and pulled pork from bears barbecue at the hartford yard goats stadium. I know we talked a little bit about ballpark food but some unconventional ballpark food. You like chang Everyone when i went to packbell you gotta get the garlic fries now. Search garbage so bad so bad there so you gotta get these garlicky fries. Those things it's hard to eat. You got shit all over your fingers. They're all clumped together in like a smushed up mass of soggy. And i'd rather eat truffle fries than than that so no i in terms of unusual things. And i'll tell you one thing. I won't be eating. American ballparks are sushi machi roles. That's something that i will not eat. i'm a big fan of personal pizzas. I don't think pretzels are very good. And usually i don't know what what other foods are there. That are different. I mean it's you know. I've seen crean things now. You see some rice bowls. I'm also gonna say not ballpark. Food can't do it. Just my personal take and how we have stands and several ballparks and stadiums. And i can't wait. The world reopens up again so they can be back in business. But i personally for anything. That's a stadium. Sports food is it has to be eaten with your hand. No utensils you just can't use utensils and it's gotta be something that you could even eat with one hand in one hand holding a beer in one hand which is why i'm not a nachos person and stadiums because like you got i. I feel like anything you eat. Has to be something where you can shove in your mouth like the boat is in your mouth and you can eat because you've got to prepare for that moment where you have a beer drinking your hand and something else and i think there's only so many foods that you can do and chicken fingers with your heads which can also put put in your mouth. I might eat it that way for our listeners. At home who couldn't see. Dave basically had chicken fingers like a horse's feedback up to about eating them and french fries. All that stuff you can just like eat with your like can boat to mouth but everything else that seems to be like sandwiches for me. No burgers for me. It depends you know. I feel like sandwiches. It depends your settings you can eat these things but you have to eat it like while you're standing before you get down to your seat in the struggle to get it the seat israel now and again like if you're real pro you gotta really get most. You're eating in on the bathroom. Breaks i gotta go about their. Yeah you can't shovel food in your face. Surrounded by people come home with like with the fucking kiss cam out there just waiting to catch you at the all the all the food you got to eat while you're going to the bathroom you'll be right back. Hey are we gonna. Isn't that fucking kiss. Cam gonna ever go away. I just find it to be the most insane thing in the entire world. what do you think about. The kiss cam agree. It's pretty ridiculous. I don't think it's going away. Wanted to land on me. I just want to win. Just the the mistletoe of the kiss cam Molina wrote a five star apple review. I believe and she says i'm mexican. And from san diego the way i grew up eating instant rahman was get a cup of noodles at valentine hot sauce and a squeeze of lime into it out of that. I don't know much about rahman add like to try something new. I love spicy flavor. Thanks for help. Molina's asking for instant ramen thoughts introductions brands you like anything tips for molina. Also the valentine hot sauce and lime in company. It all sounds very good. Molina well if you hold on for some time you may become an. I'm maybe working on something to answer your your your your your your problem here coming out. Soon he'd be. Wow wow that is eight. That's news to even mr christopher being here. I'm fighting twitter with excitement about that. That sounds pretty awesome I've got a question. This is from christopher yang of California five stars loved the show first time a longtime participant for some caller I saw this the other day guys and tell me if i'm overreacting about being mad. It had been a while. Since i'd seen something like this on instagram. But a person who is a you know foodi not in the industry a food loving gore mind Posted just with the caption. Like you know if you know you know. And i saw another like prominent food media person chime and be like. Oh yeah like you know sighed eyeballs and then the discussion was. I can't tell anybody about it. I don't want my place to be. Mobbed and i was like so after everything that your beloved restaurants have gone through for the last year. You believe that you holding onto this restaurant is somehow a service that like. Not revealing the name of the rush. Because you don't want to get busy and get business. I just found it to be so inappropriate for people to be like still in this day and age feel like they have some kind of like. I want to hide my secret spots thing being too sensitive about this. No you're not. They should burn in hell. If there's there. I said there's no hell i'm joking if you love food and if you truly love restaurants at this point in time it's it's just it's wild to me that you wouldn't share a place in and try to drive business there even if it makes it harder for you to your feared All right so that was. That was a question from chris. king five stars. Thank you Here's one from itunes. Nowy one eighty two gave us five stars. Thank you very much. Hello chang and chris paddack gulu chris or christ. Do you call me christ. Christ the love the show as a non asian person. I find myself seeing life more through. Your guys is thank you for opening a door not only to the cuisine but also the stories culture etc as a cohen aryan. I have always struggled with keeping friendships because no time and also because of all time at work since most of my friends are cooks. I work with as well. Do you have any tips on maintaining friendships in the industry. This is very nice. I envy your relationship with. Chris and wonder if i can ever have someone that close. Thank you for everything you do. Love love the show. That's very nice chris. This is Is accent his earlier as a chauncey. Mma guber anti of being like dave treasure. Treasure your friendship. So i just use those numbers. There's one eighty two. What's my age again. Chavez barker's the six germer ever fucking her trumper. Don't waste your time on this. That's a corner three. That was a fuck in court dagger three from isaac lease. See that's the kind of content. We're looking for a survey allen right. They're wrong basket other. I mean does this ring true to you at all day of like. I know that you've have so many friendships from from the kitchen but like maintaining friendships while in the industry that a challenge yes and no i mean it comes ago i the hardest part is saying that like you always keep in contact but it doesn't and i think that the reality is so many of my relationships in the industry if i don't see somebody for a few years and then i see them. It's like nothing ever changed for example. You know there's a few people that i talked to on texts threads and it's sometimes You send some funny text messages back and forth and it's it's how you keep in touch. I think another thing that happens is like you post something social media and like you like something or there's ways to keep in touch but physically seeing somebody in there's been some considerable time before you seen that person it's almost like nothing changes and i love it. There is there is a true bond. That happens when you work the line with people when you're all lying cooks even when it's been under duress hardship at least for me like everybody. I worked at cafe balut. That's family You know everybody that. I work with craft to this day. Inter talk to people all the time you know if they needed anything from me on there for them and there's just something about this. I don't ever want to quit anything to the military. But it's the closest thing from what i've read about when people have this camaraderie. That is hard to every like articulate. Anybody else it's a strange thing. It's a strange thing. It's hard for me. Explain but and i know that other people probably feel the same way when you work with people. Maybe it's different now with cruise today. There's not as much as going out at night. Go into the bars. And i've noticed this. It's not nearly as i would say cliqueish you know it's like a gang really and i feel like people are coming in with their own things in their own interest and i think before it was like i have not i have no other life is just cooking and again i could be wrong. People are still super closed. People it's just to me. I don't have to talk to people all the time. It's not like i don't it's just like you rotate out through the year. People that you keep in contact with. And i love it. I totally hear what you're saying you know. I don't think you're trying to compare the the the trials and tribulations of working at kitchen to being in the military but there is a shared experience. That's hard to describe. But i'm sure it's part of like many industries. It's a shorthand. Where like if this thing is so important to you. It just means you're automatically on a level two of understanding with somebody like your kitchen. I know i. I know where you're coming from. I know you've seen you know i've seen. I really do. Believe in that sort of shared experience part of it. The i'm still close to everyone at craft probably more so than anybody else. I mean that opening team. Like i don't talk to them all the time but if i'm in a room with everybody like the last time we were all together i was years ago was like tenth. Year anniversary was like mark. Jonathan benno ochsner wabc. Click showed up dance. I mean just a bunch of people that hadn't seen each other. You talked damon wise was there. I mean i think about one of the funnest nights of my life. Because i don't even remember anything happier than men like i laughed my ass off and it was just. It was just wonderful and those things happen occasionally. But it's great to have these moments and for anybody that's listening they're like i don't understand it's like really hard to explain. Yeah i mean. I think that the the key knowing one eighty to friendships like the meaningful friendships. If you're if you're talking about like really deep relationships. I think they will change. His argument is is a beautiful thing but like a friendship can be built on like shared interests. But like whether it's cooking or anything else. It's like i don't know back to. Its you know when. I started cooking old. The older generation man. You want to have that relationship that these guys have and you don't realize it but if you stay in the business long enough you sort of have those same relationships as well so yeah i mean all i was gonna say it was like i think that you and i have a a friendship board of professional interest and an overlap and working together. But i like to think that if we didn't work together we'd still have things to talk about. I have genuine care and concern for your family. You have the same for mine and you know we're not but i don't know no is asking how to make friends but but i feel like at some point i feel like you're in the right profession. When there's no delineation between family and friends it just becomes the same thing i mean. That's i honestly a good marker of like. Am i in a business might doing something i love the do when you're surrounded by people that are like it's all family And seen zoom in on the tier and rehearsed that soliloquy couple of weeks i think nailed. It was great. It felt very genuine so all right. So here's here's this this will Wraps up here at the end of the episode and at the end of a night in the kitchen is always the cleanup. And calvin kwan writes. Hi dave cleaning up. The kitchen after cooking is the worst part about cooking. I can't imagine the hours needed to clean it in a professional kitchen. Can you share how this part of the job gets done in a restaurant and if there are tips and tricks to clean at home. This is the best. So that's the best. Part of the day is what you're saying is so so good even if it's a bad service oh i've just thinking about so good i love it. I love it. It's like i get my soapy water. I scrub everything down. If i need to use the steel wall. Do that if we work in the hotline. Then you get the vinegar smell on the stove top on the range and you're scrubbing scripted. Scrubbing and it feels good. It feels good. You know like it's like you did your duty did your day and now it's like closure and you're also just drinking cold beverage. Tickets are stopped. They stopped coming in. You don't have any ptsd about it anymore. And now you're condensing and the only thing go bad is if like you realize the next day like if especially after dinner service and you have to work a double in the next day and you realize oh i fucked myself. I haven't done using plots now. Like that's the only time it's really about or you have to write a note to your partner. Be totally fucked you over. Because i i wanted to all the museum plots. You're totally screwed. That's not good. But for the most part wrapping things up and having that sense of closure. I'd say like eight times out of ten. It's a wonderful feeling. There are definitely times where it's just like a nightmare going all the way into going to bed being like. Oh my god. I hate everything it's going to suck and it's just a nightmare that doesn't end but for the most part is a great closure and i just love being able to wipe every down like after you squeegee down your station. Who like a good squeegee. You don't know what i'm talking about. You're never gonna know. Because he feels so good then you'll wipe it down and it just feels great and then you clean out the sink and you wipe down your shoes. And then when they stations all clean and people are leaving you stay behind. It's like when you see like peyton manning or tom brady or these great quarterbacks throwing balls catching whatever like the wide receivers tell. It's like way late at night. You see the real people that care be like. I'm gonna sharp by nice. I'll see you later metropolis and they're just like everything's done. And then you see people put the work in or you see someone like hey chef. Can i talk to you about this. I screwed this recipe up today. And i know you got mad at me. You know and they start breaking it down by game film. You start to see the people that truly care after the cleanup. And that's the thing is that passion that cares. I love that man. That is what gives me life. When i love this. The very best of the businesses will you just went to all of this harsh. You just spend more time cleaning up your airpods off your now. Probably in your undershirt. You've taken your chef jacket off and you're maybe even cleaning your back in your street clothes and you're back in the kitchen talking shop. That's the best. That is the fucking best. I love that scene. I love the scene of the the cooks in street clothes back in the kitchen. It's beautiful citing sitting on the pass with you know beverage in a core container. I mean i'm reminiscent. it's not an established. It's just like there's that sense of completion and the craziest thing that happens is even if it was a brutal service. There's a sense of like renewed possibility for the next day. You're like everything starts over again. And you're like aright tough day. Tomorrow we're gonna crush it and it's such a amazing thing to be in know going back to the early question. That's how you build those friendships. Is those friendships. That matter are because you're in it together and you know that you're not gonna let your partner down ever like no matter what you're not going to let your partner and i've seen every kind of like awesome thing happened when that relationship happens like oh man. This person went home. They live ninety minutes away and they realized they forgot something so they show up five in the morning to make sure they set up their station for the partner is like those little things there. Random acts of kindness and happen. When you're like wow. I don't even know this person but there they want the best for me. I remember like you know like ryan schemes a cafe. I was like in the weeds. And i was having a tough day. You know he barely knew me. And he's like dude. I got your coke at them. Soda machine you spend a dollar at the soda machine way more than a dollar. It's way than that dollar. Spent man being able to empathize and to help and as tough as the industry is moments that solidify you know these meaningful relationships and this has been an advertisement for coca cola by for your friend in need at your place of work. Yeah i think if it's cooking at its best is like expression of love for the people you're feeding. The cleanup is a an expression of love and respect for the craft and your colleagues and the job and also conversely it also night you're working. Am station and you see someone take shortcuts and you see that they didn't clean on the inside of the door of your low boy. You just walk into your house shoes on basically you see that they didn't really wipe the condensation from you know the refrigerator. Whatever you have up top you see that. They didn't condensed sauces properly. And these are the same sauce that you made in the morning like you spend hours and hours and you toil making these beautiful sauces and someone didn't condense it properly that's disrespectful and it's like it happens it happens all the time and here's another thing sometimes. It can be like wait my night partner. Almost never does this. What happened and then you can be like. Hey do this is not like you. What happened and you know you. You give them some rope because everybody has bad days. No-one can be perfect. But when you see people not cleaning up properly particularly at the end of the night. That's a bad sign. That's how you can be sherlock holmes in the kitchen. I talk about this all day long. I could get beautiful. Actually is beautiful bed. I it makes mean to solve it for my time in the kitchen. Man i think even the littlest things like at nights like wait. They didn't clean the mop pet behind. Like you could tell so much about the health and vitality of kitchen by just how cleaning things are done. Do they refill the cleaning. It's just there's so much that goes involved in like a like a healthy kitchen particularly a clean kitchen and like when you see it. Done properly is so awesome. Do you get any of that. Same joy cleaning at home. I am the worst cleaner at home. I mean honestly. There's nothing i do. That doesn't get cleaned began by grace. There you have it calvin kwan. Affecting the what are those beautiful acts. A professional cook could do is a good job cleaning at the end of the night. At home you know wipe it a little bit and move on get to the cash. Saw me my dog please. God i bad. That was my second thing i prepared. Didn't you think people thought that was natural my whole spiel about cleaning. You have it all written out. It's right in front of you. You printed it out. I've been taking acting classes and paying off you did you you. I saw you worked on your silence of the lambs impression you taught got your friendships soliloquy. Let's go get some head shots and get you out there dude. I fought the fuck out of move out show in that voice just play.